[12:00] <im_ka> what's the difference between cedega and point2play? i know that point2play is a gui frontend for cedega. but in order to run point2play, i must have cedega installed, right?
[12:00] <ogra> JStrike: yeah, what for ?
[12:00] <SteveK> wfx: thanks again.
[12:00] <JStrike> ogra : What is your question?
[12:00] <wfx> SteveK, no porblem for this we are here
[12:01] <netmonk> wfx, any ideas for a site like this for Toshiba ;)
[12:01] <ogra> JStrike: i mean, what has red carpet apt-get hasnt already ?
[12:01] <wfx> :)
[12:01] <SirG3> Aiya all :)
[12:01] <JStrike> ogra : Do you want to know what red-carpet does?
[12:01] <wfx> Tyche, ok in 5min. i can help you
[12:01] <ogra> JStrike: i know what RC does....what is the advantage ?
[12:01] <wfx> netmonk, let me see.... what model (satelite?)
[12:01] <topyli> JStrike: tell us! where's the secret :)
[12:01] <JStrike> ogra : Are you seriously comparing the apt-get interface to red-carpet?
[12:01] <ogra> JStrike: i dont see one over apt-get and its tools
[12:02] <netmonk> wfx, satellite A40-261
[12:02] <ogra> JStrike: nope, the functionallity
[12:02] <stvn> JStrike: synaptic is very good nowadays
[12:02] <JStrike> stvn : Synaptic is a piece of crap
[12:02] <topyli> oh nice
[12:02] <wfx> netmonk, http://www.geocities.com/olive_esseret/
[12:03] <ogra> hmm...
[12:03] <SirG3> Anyone know how I'd get BZFlag on here? (I'm new @ Ubuntu and fairly new at Linux in general... I must say, I like this distro compared to Vector Linux and Gentoo heh)
[12:03] <GotD0t> i'm having trouble mounting a partition on a secondary hard disk
[12:03] <stvn> JStrike: care to elaborate
[12:03] <netmonk> wfx: 10x
[12:04] <wfx_gotooneacoff> netmonk, sorry what means 10x?
[12:04] <JStrike> ogra : rc and rug have similar functionality to apt-get. But you cant seem to easily install a local package with Synaptic
[12:04] <bash> ?? rdate
[12:04] <JStrike> And I dont do command line
[12:04] <ogra> wfx_gotooneacoff: 10x thanx
[12:04] <JStrike> stvn : Same as above
[12:04] <wfx_gotooneacoff> ogra, now i know and now i go ;-)
[12:04] <topyli> JStrike: hey, that's true!
[12:04] <ogra> JStrike: you will..... takes time to implement
[12:05] <meltbanana314> is anyone running Enlightenment under Ubuntu?
[12:05] <ogra> wfx_gotooneacoff: bye
[12:05] <stvn> JStrike: there is a gui for installing .debs, but how does rc handle local packages?
[12:05] <JStrike> ogra:  It is already there with RedCarpet
[12:05] <netmonk> wfx_gotooneacoff, 10x = thanks
[12:05] <JStrike> stvn : It installs it with a single click (or two if it needs dependencies, which it will fetch)
[12:06] <Kamion> the synaptic author has been talking about adding single-.deb support
[12:07] <JStrike> All that needs to be done is that the debian red-carpet package needs to be recompiled for ubuntu, and that the main, universe, etc repos need to add RedCarpet/OpenCarpet support
[12:07] <GotD0t> is there something wrong with this line in fstab
[12:07] <GotD0t> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/media      ext3    rw,nosuid,umask=000,gid=0,user  0      0
[12:08] <stvn> me doubts that that is easier
[12:08] <ogra> GotD0t: why all these options ?
[12:08] <wfx> sorry im an old man and dont know some short cut
[12:08] <GotD0t> ogra: because defaults didnt yield results
[12:09] <wfx> user or users?
[12:09] <ogra> GotD0t: whats your prob ?
[12:09] <GotD0t> ogra: one second
[12:09] <guptan> how can I add JRE to my path
[12:09] <Kamion> JStrike: can't see us switching to something that requires strange non-standard archive support
[12:09] <Kamion> can't it cope with a normal archive?
[12:10] <ogra> hehe...debian incompatible debian distri
[12:10] <guptan> i tried export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/jre
[12:10] <JStrike> Kamion : Yep
[12:10] <GotD0t> ogra: nevermind, i got it working... thanks
[12:10] <wfx> GotD0t, with users?
[12:10] <Kamion> JStrike: did its authors ever discuss the extensions with the authors of other apt frontends?
[12:10] <JStrike> Kamion : It works fine with normal apt repos via OpenCarpet
[12:11] <wfx> GotD0t, if you tell use how we can help sometime a other guy :-)
[12:11] <JStrike> Kamion : Dude, RedCarpet is the industry leader. Synaptic is the less used of the two. Debian is pretty much the only user of synaptic
[12:11] <confrey> why can't I play a divx with totem? what do I need?
[12:12] <ogra> bonobo: java guptan
[12:12] <bonobo> guptan: for java in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:12] <Kamion> JStrike: if we only cared about the "industry leader" we'd all give up and use Red Hat
[12:12] <JStrike> Or rather, Industry leader in the Enterprise Desktop
[12:12] <Tyche> wfx: no worries. I think I have it all done except for small things you can clarify.
[12:12] <Kamion> I've seen very little real-life use of Red Carpet
[12:12] <Kamion> for ages now
[12:12] <JStrike> Look at NLD
[12:12] <wfx> Tyche, so you are happy :-)
[12:13] <BeanDip> confrey you need to install xvid
[12:13] <JStrike> But that is nether here nor now.
[12:13] <Kamion> NLD aren't anywhere close to qualifying as undisputed industry leader
[12:13] <stvn> g'night all
[12:13] <Tyche> wfx: I'm never happy! What were you going to help me with? I got the php working...not sure if you were going to show me something else I needed to know.
[12:13] <Kamion> they're in a very shaky position in fact
[12:13] <usual> oooo firefox 1.0 is in hoary now
[12:13] <usual> yay
[12:14] <wfx> ?
[12:14] <confrey> BeanDip : do you mean the codec named xvid, or a application so named?
[12:14] <JStrike> My point is that it is by far the cleaner looking app, has more features and could easily be made to work with ubuntu
 I'm never happy ??
[12:14] <usual> ogra, how is mrburns coming
[12:14] <wfx> Tyche, ?
[12:14] <Tyche> ogra: Wfx has asked if I was happy....I told him I am never happy....in general...very happy on todays findings thought!
[12:15] <ogra> usual: have tried some python recently...... considering to rewrite the stuff.....
[12:15] <BeanDip> confrey are you using hoary or warty?
[12:15] <Kamion> JStrike: ... and we employ the synaptic author ;)
[12:15] <PotajiTo> wenas
[12:15] <Kamion> there's a lot to be said for in-house expertise
[12:16] <BeanDip> under warty you need to "echo "
[12:16] <BeanDip> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:16] <BeanDip> do an apt-get update
[12:16] <ogra> usual: http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/startup-settings.png
[12:16] <BeanDip> then "apt-cache search mplayer"
[12:16] <BeanDip> choose an mplayer install
[12:16] <BeanDip> apt-get install *****
[12:17] <BeanDip> to install the mplayer version you want
[12:17] <usual> ogra, grub settings?
[12:17] <BeanDip> apt-get install w32codecs
[12:17] <BeanDip> and you will be able to play anything
[12:17] <ogra> usual: yep.... only the neseccary ones
[12:17] <JStrike> Kamion : Right. Fair enough
[12:17] <BeanDip> and stop using totem, it sucks
[12:17] <BeanDip> :P
[12:17] <BeanDip> mplayer rules
[12:17] <usual> ogra, nice....maybe I should get into coding
[12:18] <ogra> usual: go on, the world needs good coders ;)
[12:18] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to add an entry to computer:///
[12:18] <JStrike> Kamion : So there is little chance of support from the Ubuntu side for redcarpet?
[12:18] <confrey> BeanDip : so, do I need to install the same .debs of debian? isn't there a ubuntu packages of mplayer?
[12:18] <usual> ogra, MAYBE WHEN i HAVE TIME i CAN LOOK AT MRBURNS AND LEARN SOMETHING
[12:18] <usual> oops
[12:18] <HcE> hihi
[12:18] <JStrike> But synaptic is getting improved. That is a good thing
[12:19] <usual> I don't understand the need for synaptic
[12:19] <Tyche> wfx: I'm happy!
[12:19] <confrey> so, do I need to install the same .debs of debian? isn't there a ubuntu packages of mplayer?
[12:19] <Kamion> JStrike: I guess that depends how much effort we need to put in; if somebody wants to take on community maintenance for a red-carpet package then fair enough, but it probably won't be core until there's a compelling reason
[12:19] <Tyche> wfx: Just giving you a ogra a hard time.
[12:19] <ogra> usual: i dont think mrburns is a good piece to learn from ;)
[12:19] <usual> ogra, haha ok :)
[12:19] <Kamion> JStrike: good community maintenance would be the first step in presenting a case for change
[12:20] <AwayDip> confrey, there is in hoary
[12:20] <AwayDip> not in warty
[12:20] <ogra> Tyche: we are here for fun....
[12:21] <JStrike> Kamion : I dont think it requires much effort on your part if at any at all. But if there is not much chance that it would make it into main, their is no real point into recompiling it for Ubuntu.
[12:21] <ogra> Tyche: because we like to support people with our beloved distri ;) you cant do us a hard tiome with questions :)
[12:21] <Kamion> JStrike: we don't regard universe as being pointless
[12:21] <wfx> Tyche, please never ask me. thx.
[12:21] <confrey> AwayDip : what's hoary? like unstable about debian?
[12:21] <JStrike> Kamion : If Canonical thought the interface were a better one (As I do), then there would be some point
[12:21] <Kamion> confrey: yes, it's the Ubuntu development branch
[12:22] <Kamion> JStrike: you can't expect us to just take everyone's word for everything without demonstration :)
[12:22] <JStrike> Kamion : Fair enough :-)
[12:22] <Kamion> JStrike: good Ubuntu maintenance is part of that demonstration
[12:22] <JStrike> hrm
[12:22] <JStrike> Will take a look at it
[12:23] <ogra> bonobo: hoary confrey
[12:23] <bonobo> confrey: the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[12:23] <JStrike> I think joe handles redcarpet (or ZenWorks now). Will find out how to repoint to the ubuntu repos
[12:23] <confrey> I have all the 14 cds of sarge; and the debian-marillat too; can I install from debian-marillat of my cd? without problem?
[12:24] <socomm> Hoary the Hedgehog, no relations to Sonic the Hedgehog.
[12:26] <confrey> id I understood right, next release of ubuntu will be hoary?
[12:26] <ogra> confrey: yep in april
[12:27] <stuNNed_> can i install reaplayer10 with apt?
[12:28] <ogra> stuNNed_: download the rpm and convert it with alien, then you can use dpkg
[12:28] <confrey> which marillat repository have I to use, testing, unstable or stable?
[12:28] <ogra> confrey: for warty use testing
[12:28] <confrey> does it work, or can I corrupt my ubuntu installation?
[12:29] <ogra> bonobo: mplayer confrey
[12:29] <bonobo> confrey: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:30] <SirG3> Anybody know how to install BZFlag? I've not a clue :-/
[12:31] <ogra> SirG3: sudo apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server
[12:31] <Tyche> wfx: adding the hoary, should I take out the warty in the sources.list?
[12:32] <SirG3> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:32] <SirG3> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:32] <SirG3> ogra: what'd I do wrong? :-/
[12:32] <ogra> SirG3: got synaptic running ?
[12:32] <socomm> SirG3: sudo
[12:32] <SirG3> did
[12:32] <ogra> what ?
[12:33] <SirG3> socomm: I did use sudo
[12:33] <socomm> SirG3: You need to run sudo, and be sure no one else is using apt.
[12:33] <SirG3> socomm: joe@Linux:~ $ sudo apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server
[12:33] <ogra> SirG3: make sure synaptic is closed....
[12:33] <socomm> SirG3: be sure you're not running two apt's since the other will lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[12:34] <SirG3> orga: I have synaptic running (you mean Synaptic Package Manager eh? I looked in there for it heh)
[12:34] <SirG3> socomm: nope, first time I've tried running apt-get
[12:34] <ogra> SirG3: try: sudo apt-get update
[12:35] <thoreauputic> SirG3: synaptic is a front-end for apt so if it's running command line apt will give you that error
[12:35] <SirG3> ogra: same errors
[12:35] <Tyche> wfx: Please never ask you? questions?
[12:36] <Pariente> hi u all
[12:36] <Pariente>  hey I'm having problems with my sound when i try to move volume it says,  --no mixing device-- I intalled the gkrell-volume plugin to help but it doesn't recognize a mixer.....
[12:36] <socomm> SirG3: `sudo killall -9 apt-get && apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server'
[12:36] <ogra> SirG3: look really accurate if synaptic isnt running
[12:36] <socomm> SirG3: `sudo killall -9 synaptic && killall -9 apt-get && apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server'
[12:36] <socomm> SirG3: that last command should do it for you.
[12:37] <ogra> socomm: this kills the update and runs the install
[12:37] <stuNNed_> ogra, roger that, thanks
[12:37] <Tyche> ogra: Did I offend you or wfx? I was purely being sarcastic with my unhappy comments...I am extemely happy! very much so.
[12:37] <confrey> thanks to ogra, bonobo, and everybody, good night
[12:37] <ogra> stuNNed_: it installs in /usr/local....
[12:38] <socomm> ogra: Huh?
[12:38] <ogra> Tyche: i think you both had a little misunderstanding .....
[12:38] <ogra> socomm: sudo killall -9 synaptic && killall -9 apt-get && apt-get install bzflag runs the last command
[12:38] <SirG3> socomm: E: Couldn't find package bzflag
[12:39] <Tyche> ogra: do you know or work with him? I really don't want him to think I was being mean...only playing around.
[12:39] <ogra> socomm: btw, the second kill will fail (missing sudo)....and the install either
[12:40] <ogra> socomm: you must issue sudo in front of each of them....
[12:40] <socomm> ogra: yeah you're right, you could just add quotations around them.
[12:40] <socomm> SirG3: You may need to run `sudo apt-get update'
[12:40] <ogra> socomm: assiming the user copies them ;)
[12:41] <socomm> SirG3: Since the bzflags package doesn't appear in your apt-cache.
[12:41] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic SirG3
[12:41] <bonobo> SirG3: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:41] <ogra> bonobo: thanks
[12:41] <bonobo> you're welcome
[12:42] <wfx> :)
[12:42] <SirG3> socomm: ran that command, it completed, and I reissued the install bzflag one, and it returned the same err
[12:42] <stuNNed_> ogra, does the alien work for just about any rpm?
[12:42] <ogra> Tyche: dont worry....
[12:42] <wfx> bonobo, orga orga
[12:42] <bonobo> got five
[12:43] <ogra> stuNNed_: not _every_ and its certainly not the cleanest way....but fast
[12:43] <socomm> SirG3: have you edited your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[12:43] <SirG3> socomm: nope, should I have?
[12:43] <ogra> SirG3: see the url from the bonobo bot
[12:43] <socomm> SirG3: Yes uncomment some of the repositories.
[12:43] <SirG3> ogra: I'm reading it :)
[12:43] <ogra> SirG3: good :)
[12:44] <ogra> SirG3: enable universe in synaptic......
[12:44] <wfx> SirG3, btw if you searchsomething do: sudo apt-cache search PACKAGENAME
[12:45] <ogra> SirG3: or use synaptic.....
[12:45] <socomm> wfx: you don't need to sudo for that.
[12:45] <thoreauputic> wfx: the "sudo" isn't needed for a search :)
[12:45] <wfx> oh my fault! ;-)
[12:45] <ogra> heh
[12:46] <socomm> SirG3: I think you should stick with synaptic until you feel more comfortable with the command line.
[12:46] <Tyche> socomm: you talking about hoary?
[12:46] <ogra> thoreauputic: but works anyway
[12:46] <thoreauputic> ogra: sure :)
[12:46] <ogra> wfx dont be such a weichei
[12:46] <wfx> :)))))
[12:46] <ogra> heh
[12:47] <Kal_Zakath> hi
[12:47] <socomm> Tyche: I'm not talking about any releae in particular.
[12:47] <wfx> ogra, i feel me like a weichei -> 20houers up time to go sleep
[12:48] <Tyche> Oh, okay, I just added the hoary deb and deb-src and I get a warning 'couldn't stat source package...'
[12:48] <ogra> wfx: same here :)
[12:48] <wfx> bonobo, orga
[12:48] <bonobo> got five
[12:49] <wfx> ups :) typo
[12:49] <ogra> Tyche: mixing hoary and warty ?
[12:49] <socomm> Hoary is experimental if I'm not mistaken, don't mix hoary with warty. Unless you know what you're dong.
[12:49] <Tyche> ogra: Probably, they are both in there. I don't know the difference in warty and hoary.
[12:50] <wfx> the one is in development the other is working
[12:50] <Tyche> ogra: okay, I took hoary out.
[12:50] <ogra> Tyche: if you dont know the difference, leave hoary out !!!
[12:51] <wfx> Tyche, the one is in development the other does working
[12:51] <Tyche> So I have main restricted, universe and a marillat one.
[12:51] <ogra> Tyche: okay, thats better... hoary is dev....there may break things
[12:52] <ogra> Tyche: 3 seperate entrys  ?
[12:52] <Tyche> wfx: thanks for the help, sorry for the misunderstanding. I'm not un happy, I was just playing around.
[12:52] <Tyche> ogra: 3 deb (main restricted, universe and security) same with deb-src and then the marillat one.
[12:52] <wfx> Tyche, youre answer was strange.... forget it. :-)
[12:52] <rebirth> any idea why when i do apt-get install php4 i don't get the actualy 'php' command?
[12:53] <Tyche> wfx: I'm from the states...what can I say! =)
[12:53] <rebirth> actual*
[12:53] <wfx> Tyche, thx for bush
[12:53] <ogra> Tyche: looks ok (the repos)
[12:53] <ogra> wfx: that was hard
[12:54] <Tyche> ogra: yea, there are 7 entries. I thought the hoary would have been something like the marillat where I could get additional software.
[12:54] <ogra> Tyche: you can, but it can render your sys highly unstable in the worst case
[12:54] <SirG3> ok, another question for you guys :), how would I mount my USB hard drive (I'm on PPC/iMac if that makes a diff)?
[12:54] <Kal_Zakath> does someone know a tool that would let me switch easily bewteen 2 different XF86Config-4 files ????
[12:54] <SirG3> it's in HFS+ format, that supported?
[12:55] <GoneBoB> SirG3: if you plug it in, it should work
[12:55] <ogra> SirG3: should work if you plug it in.....
[12:55] <Tyche> ogra: don't wan that, looking for secure and stable!
[12:55] <wfx> rebirth, use the mod_php4 and uninstall php4
[12:55] <rebirth> wfx, thanks :)
[12:55] <SirG3> ogra GoneBoB: it's plugged in now, not mounter -> it would mount in /mnt eh? or show up in the computer window?
[12:55] <ogra> Tyche: so stick with warty till april :)
[12:55] <socomm> Kal_Zakath: bash :^P
[12:55] <SirG3> *not mounted
[12:55] <ogra> SirG3: on the desktop
[12:55] <Kal_Zakath> socomm : I use zsh ;) :p
[12:56] <SirG3> ogra: then nope, not mounted :-/
[12:56] <socomm> Kal_Zakath: just write a small script to back up and move your configs.
[12:56] <ogra> SirG3: look in Computer->Desktop Settings->removable...
[12:56] <Kal_Zakath> socomm : I could write a little script that mv files and restart gdm... but I'm lazy :/
[12:56] <Kal_Zakath> yeah
[12:56] <moyote> Does anyone here play Unreal Tournament and if so, have you succeeded in getting sound working?
[12:56] <rebirth> wfx,
[12:56] <rebirth> root@rebirth:~ # apt-cache search mod_php
[12:56] <rebirth> root@rebirth:~ #
[12:56] <GoneBoB> SirG3: I have an ipod mini in HFS+ which works
[12:56] <wfx> Tyche, it was ironically, sorry if it was to strange
[12:57] <socomm> moyote: try killing esd, or installing libsdl-all.
[12:57] <Kal_Zakath> well, I'll have to write that script then...
[12:57] <wfx> rebirth, is not named mod_php wait 1sec.
[12:57] <ogra> GoneBoB: fam is stuck sometimes.....
[12:57] <GoneBoB> SirG3: also check in the hardware manager to see if you can see it
[12:57] <rebirth> wfx, kk
[12:57] <socomm> Kal_Zakath: have fun :)
[12:57] <rebirth> libapache2-mod-php4 ?
[12:57] <ogra> GoneBoB: so it doesnt show up, but is mounted
[12:57] <GoneBoB> yeah
[12:57] <wfx> rebirth, libapache2-mod-php4
[12:57] <moyote> socomm, how do I kill esd?
[12:57] <GoneBoB> it should be in 'computer' though
[12:57] <rebirth> wfx, thanks =)
[12:57] <socomm> Does UT even use sdl for sound, or OpenAL?
[12:58] <Kal_Zakath> socomm : I'll do it simple and dirty :)
[12:58] <socomm> moyote: `killall -9 esd'
[12:58] <ogra> socomm which one ?
[12:58] <moyote> ty
[12:58] <SirG3> GoneBoB: got an error something about hald not running
[12:58] <rebirth> wfx, done and still no php command
[12:58] <world_hiker> Hi, I'm new to linux and am having trouble accessing a windows network that i'm a part of. I've installed samba, but when I try to acces the network it says that I don't have the necessary permissions. Anyone got any advice?
[12:58] <socomm> ogra: I'm guessing UT2k
[12:58] <ogra> socomm got the GOTY version here.....works with AL
[12:59] <socomm> ogra: that's what I was guessing.
[12:59] <ogra> socomm good giess...thumbs up
[12:59] <ogra> +u
[01:00] <rebirth> world_hiker, is that when your trying to view a computers shares?
[01:00] <socomm> OpenAL has that spatial sound goodness that most commercial games use.
[01:00] <world_hiker> yes
[01:00] <FTTP> is there a development release of the next gen ubuntu?
[01:00] <FTTP> that i can try
[01:00] <rebirth> world_hiker, i get the same error :p
[01:00] <rebirth> world_hiker, i get the same error :{
[01:00] <rokaholic> yeah i would be interested in something like that too
[01:01] <socomm> FTTP: hoary
[01:01] <rokaholic> i wanted a ubuntu release with xorg in it
[01:01] <ilmari> bonobo: hoary
[01:01] <bonobo> : the hoary hedgehog is ubuntus unstable development branch see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[01:01] <world_hiker> i also have files on the network server that i can't access
[01:01] <FTTP> bonobo thanks!
[01:01] <rebirth> world_hiker, is it a windows os?
[01:01] <ilmari> rokaholic: what bonobo said
[01:01] <rokaholic> ah ic
[01:01] <rokaholic> so is there an install cd snapshot then?
[01:01] <rebirth> wfx, libapache2-mod-php4 still didn't give me the php command
[01:01] <wfx> rebirth, do you access a anyname.php with youre browser and it does not work?
[01:02] <socomm> rokaholic: you can `apt-get upgrade' into hoary.
[01:02] <rebirth> wfx, no, it works in the browser
[01:02] <rebirth> wfx, i want the physical php command i can run from a terminal
[01:02] <rokaholic> oh so i install warty
[01:02] <world_hiker> rebirth, i assume so
[01:02] <rokaholic> and then upgrade to hoary
[01:02] <wfx> rebirth, it works in the browser and this is not wha you want?
[01:02] <wfx> oh ok
[01:02] <rebirth> wfx, it works in the browser yes, i want that, but i also want the command php
[01:02] <socomm> rokaholic: check the wiki I think there are some snapshots of hoary, but if you got warty installed just upgrade.
[01:02] <wfx> so you need the php4 package
[01:03] <wfx> also
[01:03] <socomm> bonobo: wiki
[01:03] <FTTP> To install Hoary, you may edit your /etc/apt/sources.list configuration file to replace all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary.' You can then go aboutupdating and upgrading to Hoary with apt, aptitude or synaptic as you would normally.
[01:03] <rokaholic> k yeah i think upgrading would be the easiest
[01:03] <rokaholic> since the main thing i really want is just xorg
[01:03] <socomm> Damn bots >_<.
[01:03] <wfx> :)
[01:03] <FTTP> so i have to install warty to get hoary right?
[01:03] <Kamion> rokaholic: yes, there's an alpha install CD, see the mailing lists
[01:03] <socomm> rokaholic: cool, you can also install xorg from scratch :-D
[01:03] <Kamion> FTTP: a testing install CD is available. look for "Subject: Array CD 1" on ubuntu-users
[01:03] <wfx> socomm, do it again
[01:03] <rokaholic> yeah i think ill stick with warty then if the install CD is alpha
[01:04] <rebirth> wfx, ok done, still no command
[01:04] <socomm> bonobo: wiki
[01:04] <bonobo> the wiki is here http://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[01:04] <rokaholic> yeah i know i could install from scratch, but debs are nice :)
[01:04] <Kamion> rokaholic: well, it works well enough, just no particular polish over warty
[01:04] <FTTP> kamion thanks
[01:04] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[01:04] <rokaholic> thanks for the info
[01:04] <Kamion> rokaholic: but if you already have a warty install, sure, upgrade
[01:04] <scoon> ah socomm
[01:04] <Kamion> ogra: dailies are for experts and may be randomly broken
[01:04] <scoon> now there is a great game that i haven't played in a while
[01:04] <wfx> never user in a terminal but i think it must something like "php script"
[01:04] <Kamion> ogra: or for cases where somebody explicitly asks you to try the current daily
[01:05] <socomm> wfx is there a way to make bonobo 'learn'?
[01:05] <rebirth> wfx, don't understand what you just said
[01:05] <rokaholic> this is for my brother, he's new to linux
[01:05] <rokaholic> i haven't installed yet
[01:05] <Kamion> you probably want /releases/hoary/array-1/ instead of /daily/current/
[01:05] <wfx> socomm, yes
[01:05] <ogra> Kamion: oops... sorry.... just was adding it to the bot....deleted again ....
[01:05] <rokaholic> yeah
[01:05] <Tyche> wfx: tis okay. I should be careful with sarcasm. Nothing done here. <ends> Thanks for all your help though. I am really liking ubuntu even more then this morning...and I really liked it this morning! =)
[01:05] <rokaholic> im gonna just install warty
[01:05] <rokaholic> and then upgrade the pkgs that i think need upgrading
[01:05] <Kamion> ogra: this bot is scaring me more and more, I wonder how much misinformation it will be filled with ...
[01:05] <Tyche> ogra: I understand how the repositories work a lot more now, and understand the 6 month cycle.
[01:06] <FTTP> kamion whats the difference?
[01:06] <Kamion> I guess we should start auditing its contents
[01:06] <wfx> rebirth, sorry its too late for me :) i think you must type in a terminal "php SCRIPT"
[01:06] <Kamion> FTTP: between what and what?
[01:06] <rokaholic> anyone here had experience with fedora core 3 yet?
[01:06] <FTTP> kamion array-1 is alpha and not snapshot?
[01:06] <genr> i like fd3 a lot, but it seems kind of sluggish
[01:06] <rokaholic> i've always heard fedora core was kinda broken
[01:06] <rebirth> wfx, amr@rebirth:~ $ php test.php
[01:06] <rebirth> bash: php: command not found
[01:06] <rokaholic> thats why i was interested in using ubuntu
[01:06] <Kamion> FTTP: the Array CD series consists of milestone CD images that I personally test and bless as a release
[01:06] <mos|food> bonobo, mp3
[01:06] <bonobo> : for mp3 music see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:06] <FTTP> kamion ok sounds good :)
[01:06] <Kamion> FTTP: /daily/current/ is generated entirely automatically from the current state of the archive
[01:07] <ogra> Kamion: bob2 has access (is he official ?).....currently  there are only wiki urls in
[01:07] <electricsheepdre> how do I download something onto another partition?
[01:07] <Kamion> FTTP: both are snapshots; the difference is in the level of QA applied
[01:07] <wfx> rebirth, what do a "ph" + [tab] 
[01:07] <FTTP> kamion gotcha
[01:07] <socomm> electricsheepdre: more info
[01:07] <Kamion> ogra: he's a Canonical employee and knows what he's talking about, certainly
[01:07] <rebirth> wfx, i dont get anything returned
[01:07] <electricsheepdre> it's ext3, so I think it's doable.  I dont have enough room on my root partition for it
[01:07] <ogra> Kamion: okay.... so i did it right i think, he is aware of all there
[01:08] <JStrike> Ah. It seems that jdub is already looking into getting rcd/rug/redcarpet working under Ubuntu
[01:08] <socomm> electricsheepdre: save as then download to the target partition.
[01:08] <wfx> rebirth, give me some sec.
[01:08] <JStrike> Kamion : So it might just happen sooner than later
[01:08] <rebirth> wfx, kk
[01:08] <ogra> Kamion: wfx runs it, so if he shall shut down....tell it...
[01:08] <ep> When I minimize, where is my window going, and can I reopen without reopening the program?
[01:09] <ep> As if all didn't know by this time, new linux user here.
[01:10] <electricsheepdre> when I click on the link, it gives me the option to download, but only onto my root partition
[01:10] <rebirth> wfx, a bit of whoring on the forums got me it, thanks :)
[01:10] <Mabus> greetings! I'm getting an error in ipw2200 on boot (intel 2200 bg wireless network card): UNKNOWNSTATUS_ERROR.
[01:10] <electricsheepdre> (and it wants to save it as a bin file, while the file im trying to download is an iso.  that seems like a problem)
[01:10] <Mabus> Does anyone know how to disable that module from loading, or possibly how to fix it otherwise ?
[01:10] <FTTP> kamion:  Ubuntu has nice artwork
[01:10] <PenguinBoy> evening guys!!!
[01:10] <rebirth> wfx,  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2899 ;)
[01:11] <PenguinBoy> any modem exerts in here?
[01:11] <PenguinBoy> experts
[01:11] <wfx> ah cgi ok next time i know the right one
[01:11] <GoneBoB> wfx: there is a difference
[01:11] <GoneBoB> php cli doesn't output HTML
[01:11] <GoneBoB> php cgi outputs html and Content-Type: headers
[01:12] <socomm> electricsheepdre: you can make a link to your other partition.
[01:12] <electricsheepdre> how?
[01:12] <wfx> GoneBoB, yes i was looking what the packages include
[01:12] <Mabus> I can't boot - the error scrolls forever on the screen.
[01:12] <PenguinBoy> My friend just installed Ubuntu and loves it but he is having some problems.....My ISP is http://www.ricochet.net and I run a "wireless" modem. It
[01:12] <PenguinBoy> functions as a dial-up modem that plugs in USB. Its just that instead
[01:12] <PenguinBoy> of dialing up the phone, it dials the air (3333).
[01:12] <PenguinBoy> he cannot get it to work in Ubuntu
[01:13] <GoneBoB> PenguinBoy: weird
[01:13] <socomm> electricsheepdre: man ln
[01:13] <GoneBoB> PenguinBoy: it may not work
[01:13] <GoneBoB> PenguinBoy: what is happening with it?
[01:13] <rebirth> PenguinBoy, has it worked in linux before?
[01:13] <socomm> electricsheepdre: `ln -s /path/to/partition/ ~/other_partition'
[01:13] <PenguinBoy> yes with Suse 9.1
[01:13] <FTTP> report it as a bug
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[01:14] <PenguinBoy> lol
[01:14] <mjr> PenguinBoy, wild guessing, but see if it is recognized as a tty device, see which one, and try to hook up ppp with it (dmesg might provide useful information, or the system logs)
[01:14] <electricsheepdre> hmm
[01:15] <electricsheepdre> I think I get it, but I'm having trouble figuring out exactly what to type in.  maybe something like ln --backup /dev/hdc2/ linkfile?
[01:16] <socomm> electricsheepdre: no is your other partition mounted?
[01:16] <krism> i set up postfix to use several dns blacklists. any idea how to test that they're... actually working?
[01:16] <PenguinBoy> thanks mjr!!!
[01:17] <electricsheepdre> yeah on /mnt
[01:17] <unikum> any from Sweden here?
[01:17] <socomm> electricsheepdre: it should be something like `ln -s /mnt/partition2 ~/partition2' which links partition2 to your home directory.
[01:17] <socomm> electricsheepdre: okay what's the name of the directory where's it mounted to?
[01:17] <wfx> rebirth, what is the package name, i cant find it.... (maybe my sleepy eyes)
[01:18] <electricsheepdre> hmm
[01:18] <electricsheepdre> im not sure where it's mounted to
[01:18] <rebirth> wfx, php4-cgi i think
[01:18] <rebirth> yeah
[01:18] <rebirth> it is
[01:18] <rebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ php
[01:18] <rebirth> php   php4
[01:19] <socomm> electricsheepdre: run `df' that should list your partitons
[01:19] <wfx> cgi
[01:19] <rebirth> yep
[01:19] <punkass> using warty just did an update/upgrade and i get an error when it trys to install samba
[01:20] <punkass> invoke-rc.d: dangling symlink: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba
[01:21] <punkass> dpkg: warining - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 102
[01:21] <wfx> hmmmm, but cgi is server side scripting or not?
[01:21] <FTTP> how would i upgrade from warty to the new version when it comes out?
[01:21] <FTTP> can i use apt-get?
[01:21] <punkass> yup
[01:21] <FTTP> or do i need to download the cd
[01:21] <FTTP> i can?  awesome
[01:21] <punkass> you wil just have to do a apt-get dist_upgrade
[01:22] <FTTP> punkass thanks :)
[01:22] <punkass> no prob
[01:22] <farruinn> won't you have to change your apt sources?
[01:22] <Tyche> ogra: I uncommented the universe repository on another machine and I get the directory error.
[01:22] <FTTP> debian rules
[01:22] <FTTP> farruinn oh its more complex?
[01:22] <punkass> yes u will have to change them from warty to hoary i believe
[01:22] <ogra> Tyche: got 2 universes in ?
[01:22] <FTTP> punkass how do u do that?
[01:22] <punkass> FTTP: not complex...just have to tell it which dist to upgrade to
[01:22] <FTTP> oh
[01:23] <punkass> its a 2 line edit :)
[01:23] <farruinn> I forget where the sources.list file is...
[01:23] <Tyche> yea, it is the exact same source.list from this machine I am on. And it works here.
[01:23] <Tyche> ogra: yea, it is the exact same source.list from this machine I am on. And it works here.
[01:23] <punkass> here: /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:23] <FTTP> punkass i take it the website will tell you what to edit?
[01:23] <FTTP> when the new release is out
[01:23] <punkass> when the release comes out it will for sure
[01:23] <ogra> Tyche: did you refresh ?
[01:23] <FTTP> kewl
[01:23] <FTTP> see thats why i love debian
[01:24] <punkass> yes
[01:24] <FTTP> u can do that
[01:24] <FTTP> ubuntu is awesome :)
[01:24] <FTTP> punkass:  Is the partition bug with windows still there?
[01:24] <punkass> not sure
[01:24] <FTTP> i know it was a kernel 2.6 problem
[01:24] <FTTP> i had that problem with another linux distro
[01:24] <epod> um, I have this issue when I pause totem-xine.. when I unpause, it says the audio device is in use and won't play.  What can I do about this?
[01:24] <punkass> i have it on its own drive...so ive never run into it
[01:25] <FTTP> punkass yeah i have 2 drives, one for linux
[01:25] <PenguinBoy> night guys
[01:25] <Tyche> ogra: =) that worked. I thought exiting and going back in would have done that...nope.
[01:25] <FTTP> punkass but the mbr goes on the 1st hd
[01:25] <FTTP> and it messes up
[01:25] <punkass> ah
[01:25] <FTTP> should i put mbr on 2nd?
[01:25] <Tyche> ogra: thanks!
[01:25] <punkass> epod: is there something else that plays a sound after u pause..like gaim or something?
[01:25] <FTTP> punkass how do u have it setup?
[01:25] <ogra> Tyche: ;)
[01:25] <punkass> just have it as a single drive
[01:26] <FTTP> oh
[01:26] <FTTP> u only have 1 hd?
[01:26] <Tyche> ogra, wfx, treenaks Thanks, really. I have a lot accomplished here today...I best go now.
[01:26] <epod> punkass: no, nothing else is making noise
[01:26] <punkass> yes
[01:26] <wfx> you are welcome
[01:26] <FTTP> ok
[01:26] <FTTP> well ill try the installer
[01:26] <FTTP> worst that happens is i gotta reinstall windows mbr
[01:27] <FTTP> which is a pain
[01:27] <FTTP> wish me luck :)
[01:27] <FTTP> heh
[01:27] <wfx> have a nice day, i left
[01:27] <gen> good luck
[01:27] <zenwhen> fttp is not a registered protocol
[01:27] <FTTP> lol
[01:27] <ogra> wfx: night
[01:27] <zenwhen> you sir, are a scam
[01:27] <FTTP> rofl
[01:27] <zenwhen> >:(
[01:27] <FTTP> zenwhen:  FTTP is fiber :)
[01:27] <FTTP> im real
[01:28] <FTTP> fiber to the premises
[01:28] <zenwhen> LIES
[01:28] <FTTP> heh
[01:28] <zenwhen> :P
[01:28] <punkass> FTTP: maybe check out the forums first
[01:28] <FTTP> zenwhen im waiting for my fiber connection which should come very soon
[01:28] <punkass> might be an aswer there
[01:28] <FTTP> punkass nah ill install
[01:28] <FTTP> i like it alot
[01:28] <FTTP> i have the livecd now
[01:28] <zenwhen> whoa
[01:28] <punkass> good luck
[01:28] <moyote> socomm, libsdl-all did the trick. Thank you.
[01:28] <Tyche> Bye all.
[01:28] <arc_> is it possible to enable composite and make it work with metacity in Hoary?
[01:28] <zenwhen> dont forget my sidebar http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4656
[01:29] <zenwhen> :D
[01:29] <FTTP> punkass u think the livecd + regular install grub or boot screen or whatever is the same?
[01:29] <FTTP> it appears messed up on the screen
[01:29] <socomm> moyote: cool enjoy.
[01:29] <FTTP> thats the onlything i noticed
[01:29] <FTTP> punkass i mean not grub but the prompt for the livecd
[01:29] <FTTP> it may be different, ill try the cd
[01:30] <punkass> i would use the install cd
[01:30] <Kamion> arc_: I've seen it work, but it was horribly, horribly slow and not really worth it
[01:31] <arc_> mmmm
[01:31] <arc_> Kamion: you mean compoiste?
[01:31] <arc_> Kamion: or composite on ubuntu?
[01:31] <FTTP> ack
[01:31] <FTTP> no cds left
[01:31] <FTTP> one cdrw i have
[01:31] <FTTP> good enuff :)
[01:31] <Kamion> arc_: yes, we sat down and put all the bits together on top of a fresh Hoary installation late last week
[01:32] <FTTP> every time i have to reburn the cdrw i have to do a full erase, partial never works right
[01:32] <FTTP> thats 8 minutes right there :(
[01:32] <punkass> i had composite running on hoary...kinda cool..but to slow for regular use
[01:32] <FTTP> oh well
[01:32] <arc_> Kamion: you tried it with a well supported graphic card?
[01:32] <FTTP> i downloaded the warty install last nite
[01:32] <FTTP> i had the livecd already
[01:32] <Kamion> arc_: hell no, it was random Via rubbish :)
[01:33] <Kamion> arc_: expocity didn't really make me terribly enthusiastic even so, but I might not be its target audience
[01:33] <JStrike> arc_ : XComposit is pretty much useless at the moment until there are window managers that use it. Metacity is coming along fast, but is not usable with Composit enabled yet
[01:34] <arc_> mmm
[01:34] <arc_> I want to try it anyway
[01:34] <arc_> :P
[01:35] <JStrike> Dude, why? It is a lot of effort for no gain
[01:35] <arc_> the story of my life
[01:35] <arc_> :P
[01:35] <JStrike> Wait untill havoc has got the composit manager working properly
[01:36] <punkass> its pretty easy.. install the xcompmgr package...edit xorg.conf and restart x
[01:36] <punkass> then run xcompmgr
[01:36] <|0__0|> KNEEL BEFORE XORG
[01:36] <arc_> punkass: xcompmgr does not seem able on universe at all
[01:36] <JStrike> xcompmgr isn't the way you want to do it
[01:36] <JStrike> It is fine for testing, but that is it
[01:36] <punkass> yeah thats all i used it for
[01:36] <punkass> just to play for a bit
[01:36] <punkass> then turned it off
[01:37] <JStrike> It also used to kill Firefox hard when there was any flash due to problems with the Alpha channel
[01:37] <JStrike> Dont know whether that has been fixed yet
[01:37] <arc_> mmmm
[01:38] <arc_> JStrike: you win
[01:38] <arc_> JStrike: I'll wait
[01:38] <FTTP> is userlinux + ubuntu merging?
[01:38] <FTTP> both have same concept :P
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> no
[01:38] <arc_> pretty courious, blender rendering works fine with my iBook since I'm using X.org
[01:38] <FTTP> i havent even tried userlinux tho
[01:38] <arc_> with XFree crashes
[01:39] <arc_> hey bdale, how are you?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> FTTP: ubuntu is actually very different
[01:39] <bdale> arc_: tired.  just home from a trip over the weekend.
[01:40] <arc_> bdale: I'm in the same state, I came back from madrid yesterday
[01:40] <arc_> in fact, gonna sleep right now
[01:40] <ep> trying to make a tgz file.  what are the commands
[01:40] <arc_> bye bye
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> tar czvf file.tar.gx files
[01:41] <crack> whaddup all
[01:41] <JStrike> Haven't used Wine in years. Now I remember why
[01:41] <JStrike> Has anybody tried wine on Ubuntu? Does it work for you?
[01:41] <crack> im gonna try cedega
[01:41] <crack> havent yet
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> I've only used cedega
[01:42] <crack> hey bob, did it work well for you on ubuntu?
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> 100%
[01:42] <ep> I tried tar -zxvf created the folders, but then how do I go about making the files
[01:42] <JStrike> Yeah. I used to use cedega. It worked very well for games
[01:42] <crack> can you plat cs on it?
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> fiance playing warcraft3 = very happy
[01:42] <crack> ah
[01:42] <crack> kewl
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> yes I imagine so
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> if you were that way inclined
[01:42] <crack> does steam work with it
[01:42] <zenwhen> anyone use point2play?
[01:43] <zenwhen> I dont want to really
[01:43] <rebirth> i do
[01:43] <zenwhen> but I wanted to try it
[01:43] <ep> ls
[01:43] <zenwhen> whats the command to run it
[01:43] <rebirth> ive used cs on it
[01:43] <rebirth> not so great
[01:43] <thoreauputic> ep, the command you used is for extracting, not creating
[01:43] <rebirth> Point2Play
[01:43] <FTTP> talking about cedega and wine
[01:43] <crack> hey bob, i want to install new themes under ubuntu, i can get the theme downloaded, but how do i add it to the list to run it?
[01:43] <FTTP> i can use that with ubuntu?
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> crack: from the theme dialog
[01:43] <crack> yea
[01:43] <crack> but
[01:44] <FTTP> ubuntu doesnt come with wine right?
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> FTTP: if you read what was being said, yes
[01:44] <crack> how do i add it?
[01:44] <crack> like a diff theme
[01:44] <FTTP> hrdwrbob:  It would be awesome if ubuntu came with wine
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> crack: there is an install theme button in the theme dialog
[01:44] <FTTP> eventually
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> FTTP: why?
[01:44] <FTTP> hrdwrbob cause otherwise we gotta install it ourselfs :P
[01:44] <FTTP> wine means windows users can use windows apps
[01:45] <SirG3> Why would BZFlag run (a LOT) slower under Ubuntu than OS X?
[01:45] <FTTP> some apps anyways
[01:45] <chazwurth> hi, could someone give me a hand with a problem I'm having during an Ubuntu installation?
[01:45] <KneelBeforeXorg> SirG3: you probably don't have 3d acceleration enabled for your video card
[01:45] <SirG3> KneelBeforeXord: How would I go about that?
[01:45] <rebirth> hmm
[01:45] <KneelBeforeXorg> what video card do you have?
[01:45] <rebirth> did apt-get install oidentd, forwarded the ports, but it isn't working :|
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> FTTP: it's trivial to install, and you don't need windows apps for the most part
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> chazwurth: what is the problem
[01:46] <chazwurth> I'm trying to install using the default (non-expert) mode, and I'm getting errors during the partitioning step
[01:46] <SirG3> ATI Rage Pro 128 IIRC, it's on an iMac 400MHz heh
[01:46] <FTTP> hrdwrbob:  Tell that to users who want to run lots of internet apps which are windows only
[01:46] <FTTP> and games
[01:46] <KneelBeforeXorg> I didn't know ubuntu-ppc was out
[01:46] <FTTP> but anyways
[01:46] <ogra> bonobo: ati SirG3
[01:46] <bonobo> SirG3: for ati in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:46] <FTTP> i can download wine so its ok :P
[01:46] <Kamion> chazwurth: details of errors?
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> FTTP: exactly
[01:46] <Kamion> KneelBeforeXorg: always has been
[01:46] <KneelBeforeXorg> bonobo++
[01:46] <chazwurth> I'm installing on one of three partitions, all primary. The partitioner errors when trying to format the partition.
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> from a business perspective
[01:46] <KneelBeforeXorg> I was just looking for that
[01:46] <rebirth> did apt-get install oidentd, forwarded the ports, but it isn't working :| - still get the ~ - ports are open
[01:46] <KneelBeforeXorg> Kamion: good to know
[01:47] <chazwurth> also, if I drop to a shell and try to start cfdisk, I get an 'unable to open disk' error or something similar
[01:47] <chazwurth> (I forget the exact error message, I'll try to reproduce it in a moment)
[01:47] <FTTP> gonna install ubuntu
[01:47] <FTTP> wish me luck :)
[01:47] <FTTP> i was using livecd
[01:47] <rebirth> gd luck
[01:47] <rebirth> its a breeze :)
[01:47] <ep> mine went smooth as anything.
[01:47] <ogra> good luck
[01:47] <FTTP> i hope it doesnt mess up my partitioning
[01:47] <FTTP> with windows xp
[01:48] <rebirth> mine didnt :)
[01:48] <rebirth> hmm
[01:48] <rebirth> anyone any ideas on the oident problem?
[01:48] <FTTP> i had problems with a few linux distros with grub
[01:48] <rebirth> should i reinstall it?
[01:48] <FTTP> ill try it
[01:48] <FTTP> brb
[01:48] <FTTP> ill let u know how it went
[01:49] <chazwurth> ok, the error when I try to start cfdisk is: unable to open disk drive
[01:50] <crack> ubuntu works well with a winxp part
[01:50] <ogra> rebirth: why do you run a ident server ?
[01:50] <chazwurth> when I select 'manually edit partition table' in the partitioner, all the partitions are detected correctly, but it fails to actually do anything with them.
[01:50] <ogra> rebirth: just curious
[01:50] <rebirth> ogra, because i do, i don't like the ~ in irc, and it means i connect faster
[01:51] <ogra> rebirth: ah thanks
[01:51] <Kamion> chazwurth: have a look through /dev/discs/ and see if all your partitions are listed
[01:51] <Kamion> unfortunately I can't help more, have to go to bed
[01:51] <ogra> Kamion: sleep well
[01:51] <chazwurth> Kamion: thanks for the tip
[01:51] <rebirth> ogra, any idea how to get it working? ;S
[01:53] <ogra> rebirth: it probably expects to be run by inetd by default.... did you try to start it ?
[01:53] <rebirth> ogra, yep
[01:53] <rebirth> /etc/init.d/oidentd start
[01:53] <rebirth> /etc/init.d/oidentd restart
[01:53] <rebirth> everything
[01:54] <ogra> rebirth: sudo  ?
[01:54] <rebirth> yea
[01:54] <rebirth> restartin inetd now
[01:54] <chazwurth> hmm. apparently all three partitions are *not* showing up in /dev/discs, and yet the partitioner sees them all. anyone have any ideas about that?
[01:54] <ogra> rebirth: would this work without a relogin on irc ?
[01:54] <rebirth> ogra, i'll do that now
[01:55] <ogra> nope
[01:55] <rebirth> pah :[
[01:55] <ogra> rebirth: got a router ?
[01:55] <unikum> is java installed by default?
[01:56] <rebirth> ogra, indeed
[01:56] <ogra> bonobo: java unikum
[01:56] <bonobo> unikum: for java in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:56] <ogra> rebirth: probably any port needs to get forwarded, i dont know enough about ident to help here...
[01:57] <rebirth> ogra, i've forwarded the ports
[01:57] <rebirth> try an nmap on me, theyre open :[
[01:57] <unikum> thanks
[01:57] <ogra> unikum: ;)
[01:57] <unikum> i m a total newbie, installed Ubuntu yesterday
[01:58] <ogra> unikum: how do you like it ?
[01:58] <ogra> rebirth: any configfile to tweak ?
[01:58] <rebirth> /etc/oidentd.conf
[01:58] <rebirth> friend installed it and the one out-of-box worked
[01:58] <unikum> nice, i like the apt-get stuff. I hade some probs with dns though .. but i think i have solved it
[01:59] <crack> welcome unikum
[01:59] <rebirth> 113/tcp  open   auth
[01:59] <ogra> yay
[02:00] <unikum> now i will try to install java :) btw is wine installed by default?
[02:00] <rebirth> so it has to be on my end
[02:00] <crack> i am not quite a total nub anymore since last night
[02:00] <crack> these guys helped me alot
[02:00] <crack> wine should be installed by default
[02:00] <rebirth> not sure, i don't think mine was
[02:00] <crack> but you can check in your user/bin file
[02:00] <crack> i believe that is where it usually is
[02:00] <crack> or i think maybe you could type sudo which wine
[02:01] <crack> does that work on linux guys?
[02:01] <crack> which cmd?
[02:01] <crack> lemme check
[02:01] <krism> crack: s/nub/newb/g;
[02:01] <krism> :)
[02:01] <crack> lol
[02:01] <crack> doesnt that work tho?
[02:01] <crack> i know it does on freebsd
[02:02] <crack> or openbsd
[02:02] <crack> the which cmd
[02:02] <rebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ which vi
[02:02] <rebirth> /usr/bin/vi
[02:02] <ogra> crack: which works ....
[02:02] <krism> crack, yes, 'which' works
[02:02] <crack> ok
[02:02] <crack> what would be the cmd to see if he has wine?
[02:02] <rebirth> anyone here familiar with oidentd?
[02:02] <crack> isnt it sudo which wine
[02:02] <krism> now if i could get bitchx to use C-k to delete a line.. *grumble*
[02:03] <krism> crack: just "which wine"
[02:03] <crack> ah
[02:03] <krism> crack: are you running ubuntu? it's not installed, nor in the repository.
[02:03] <crack> yep
[02:03] <crack> yea its not showing up
[02:03] <krism> crack: you'll need to build from source, or get a commercial distribution :(
[02:03] <rebirth> what isn't?
[02:03] <crack> wine
[02:03] <krism> rebirth: wine
[02:03] <rebirth> is for me
[02:03] <rebirth> im gettin it now
[02:03] <krism> err, what he said
[02:03] <unikum> requires 'multiverse' in sources.list) what does this mean?
[02:03] <crack> using the package manager rebirth?
[02:03] <krism> rebirth ?
[02:04] <rebirth> no, apt-get
[02:04] <krism> krism@evilpen:/var/www/apache2-default $ apt-cache search wine
[02:04] <krism> krism@evilpen:/var/www/apache2-default $
[02:04] <rebirth> i mena
[02:04] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic unikum
[02:04] <bonobo> unikum: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:04] <rebirth> yea
[02:04] <crack> yea
[02:04] <t17mh> I seem to have set something up that is cutting my mail off at ~75k. I get mail with fetchmail. Any idea what I could have configured to do this (the problem is new since doing a fresh install of ubuntu -- I assumed I answered some question stupidly in configuring)
[02:04] <crack> did u change to universe?
[02:04] <rebirth> mine returns lots
[02:04] <rebirth> no idea lol
[02:04] <crack> lol
[02:04] <crack> add all the repositories
[02:04] <krism> oops, my bad, i'm in the default repo.. :/
[02:04] <rebirth> when i installed ubuntu it was at like 3am whilst drunk
[02:04] <crack> for the best results
[02:04] <rebirth> ;)
[02:04] <krism> rebirth .. drunk sounds like a good idea..
[02:04] <NewComer> where's the ugly gnome splash icons, can't find them in /etc/share/pixmaps/splash
[02:04] <crack> i am learning from alot of these guys
[02:05] <crack> smart peeps
[02:05] <crack> yes, i said peeps
[02:05] <crack> lol
[02:05] <crack> thanks
[02:05] <krism> okay, i'm going to drink some cheap wine now.. ;) later.
[02:05] <crack> boones farm
[02:05] <crack> rox
[02:06] <rebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ which wine
[02:06] <rebirth> /usr/bin/wine
[02:06] <rebirth> \o/
[02:06] <crack> is it there rebirth?
[02:06] <rebirth> i think its in universe
[02:06] <crack> no
[02:06] <crack> didnt you say you were getting it?
[02:06] <crack> downloading it from apt-get
[02:06] <rebirth> yeah i just apt-get'd it now
[02:06] <crack> yea
[02:07] <crack> did u add the rest of the repos?
[02:07] <rebirth> probably
[02:07] <rebirth> :D
[02:07] <thoreauputic> crack: that output shows he has it in /usr/bin
[02:07] <crack> yea
[02:07] <thoreauputic> rebirth> amr@rebirth:~ $ which wine
 /usr/bin/wine
[02:07] <crack> hey thor
[02:07] <crack> good to see ya
[02:07] <crack> thanks for last night
[02:07] <crack> again
[02:07] <thoreauputic> hey crack :)
[02:07] <thoreauputic> no worries
[02:07] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:07] <crack> learned alot man
[02:07] <crack> kept messin with it too
[02:08] <crack> but
[02:08] <crack> hey rebirth
[02:08] <crack> that showed you have wine
[02:08] <KneelBeforeXorg> hmmm
[02:08] <KneelBeforeXorg> hello crack
[02:08] <crack> hi kneel
[02:08] <KneelBeforeXorg> where'd you get the nick?
[02:08] <crack> its my counterstrike name
[02:08] <KneelBeforeXorg> ah
[02:08] <crack> tsc crack
[02:08] <crack> actually
[02:08] <crack> its short
[02:08] <crack> for crackheadjunky
[02:08] <unikum> how do i switch everything back to english? Now some stuff is in swedish and some in english
[02:09] <KneelBeforeXorg> I had a friend who used to call me a "crackmonkey" all the time
[02:09] <crack> lol
[02:09] <KneelBeforeXorg> so I bought crackmonkey.org
[02:09] <crack> lol
[02:09] <KneelBeforeXorg> and started a mailing list
[02:09] <crack> any good site?
[02:09] <thoreauputic> unikum: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:09] <KneelBeforeXorg> lasted a few years, too
[02:09] <KneelBeforeXorg> there's some hilarity up, yes
[02:09] <crack> lol
[02:09] <crack> hang on
[02:09] <crack> lemme check it out
[02:10] <thoreauputic> unikum: if that doesn't work, install localecolnf
[02:10] <thoreauputic> *localeconf
[02:10] <crack> is that u rick moen?
[02:10] <FTTP> help
[02:11] <ogra> rebirth: hmm your ports are open....
[02:11] <crack> meh
[02:11] <FTTP> i installed ubuntu and i got 3 fatal modprobe errors
[02:11] <FTTP> but it seems to work fine
[02:11] <FTTP> is fatal modprobe errors normal?
[02:11] <crack> i get them when i run xmms
[02:11] <ogra> FTTP: just cosmetic.... pciehp ?
[02:11] <FTTP> ogra yeah that was one of them
[02:11] <thoreauputic> FTTP: if everythibg works, ignore
[02:12] <thoreauputic> *everything
[02:12] <crack> hmm
[02:12] <thoreauputic> can't type :/
[02:12] <crack> lol
[02:12] <FTTP> ogra all 3 are just cosmetic errors?
[02:12] <ogra> FTTP: ignore them......they tell you in a bad way that you dont have any pci hotplug (normally server) devices
[02:12] <crack> hey thor, i got so good at it last night i have kde running on ubuntu now
[02:12] <lupus_> someone that uses qemu?
[02:12] <FTTP> ogra ohhhh that needs to be fixed :)
[02:13] <thoreauputic> crack: heh... that's a giant leap backwards ;)
[02:13] <FTTP> ogra:  users will get confused like i just did
[02:13] <crack> lol
[02:13] <ogra> FTTP: yep, the error should just say "not found"
[02:13] <crack> i didnt like gnome
[02:13] <FTTP> ogra well actually that screen should be covered up
[02:13] <FTTP> a gui installer is coming so :P
[02:13] <ogra> FTTP: i have answered this question 100 times.....
[02:13] <thoreauputic> crack: I was kidding - KDE is OK if you like it
[02:13] <crack> its just heavy gui thats all
[02:13] <FTTP> ogra about modprobe error?
[02:14] <ogra> FTTP: and i am not the only one ....
[02:14] <ogra> yep
[02:14] <crack> i need to learn how to get my ntfs drives to show up as icons
[02:14] <thoreauputic> FTTP: umm... linux likes to tell you stuff about your system: it isn't a bug, it's a feature :)
[02:14] <crack> i have them running in fstab and i can get them in console
[02:14] <FTTP> ogra ok well for now someone should put on the website
[02:14] <FTTP> that this is normal :P
[02:15] <FTTP> i also did an update of the system
[02:15] <ogra> FTTP: i think its in the wiki somewhere,,,,just have no url handy
[02:15] <FTTP> it downloaded all these apps
[02:15] <FTTP> i didnt think i clicked on anything for it
[02:15] <ogra> FTTP: update ?
[02:15] <FTTP> like thousands of apps downloaded and installed
[02:15] <crack> hey thor got a sec in a private?
[02:15] <FTTP> yeah
[02:15] <FTTP> ogra was i supposed to do that?
[02:15] <ogra> FTTP: how ?
[02:15] <FTTP> ogra when i installed
[02:15] <thoreauputic> crack: no - keep it in the channel, OK :)
[02:15] <crack> ok
[02:16] <ogra> FTTP: you can upgrade all the time, dont worry
[02:16] <FTTP> ogra it asked if i wanted to update when i installed
[02:16] <FTTP> yes is the default right?
[02:16] <crack> i was asking earlier, i have gotten another theme
[02:16] <ogra> FTTP: thats pretty much ok
[02:16] <crack> but i cant get it to pick it up in the x system to change to it
[02:16] <crack> how do i get it to do that?
[02:16] <FTTP> ogra the stock text grub is ugly :P
[02:16] <thoreauputic> FTTP: when you install one thing, it installs the dependencies
[02:17] <ogra> FTTP: just be careful what repositorys you add then you will always be dine
[02:17] <FTTP> could use a ubuntu'ized grub
[02:17] <thoreauputic> crack: depends - KDE or GNOME?
[02:17] <crack> kde
[02:17] <ogra> FTTP: will change in the next release
[02:17] <FTTP> ogra yep its easy to do
[02:17] <KneelBeforeXorg> crack: haha, no, I am not rick moen
[02:17] <crack> lol
[02:17] <thoreauputic> crack: should be something in the KDE control centre  I think
[02:17] <HrdwrBoB> hahaha
[02:17] <FTTP> ogra i didnt add anything just used the default yes when i installed my system
[02:17] <crack> yea i just cant find it thor
[02:18] <FTTP> ogra:  thank goodness i have a fast connection, otherwise it would have taken years to download, it was LARGE
[02:18] <neighborlee> not that it matters really ( I can do manually just fine ) but is it possible somehow to get synaptic ( after getting a new app/game) to add it to the right gnome menu ? .;-)thx anyone <<
[02:18] <thoreauputic> crack:  well I'm running fluxbox so...
[02:18] <FTTP> it downloaded like many many apps
[02:18] <ogra> FTTP: you will probably want other software......
[02:18] <crack> how do u like flux?
[02:18] <FTTP> ogra:  Im new so......... i dunno :P
[02:18] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic FTTP
[02:18] <bonobo> FTTP: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:19] <FTTP> ogra:  Sound works fine which is a good thing, since many distros didnt configure my sound right
[02:19] <thoreauputic> crack: well, obviously I like it or I wouldn't be running it ;)
[02:19] <ogra> FTTP: you should read this and enable universe.....so you get the full benefit of all software
[02:19] <crack> im getting it now
[02:19] <crack> flux that is
[02:20] <thoreauputic> crack: it's pretty minimal
[02:20] <crack> brb gonna start flux
[02:21] <FTTP> ogra my monitor settings are bad
[02:21] <FTTP> ogra how do i adjust refresh rate + Res and stuff?
[02:21] <FTTP> its bad on the eyes like this
[02:21] <FraX> I am wondering. Is it possible to install Ubuntu with install floppies rather than the cd?
[02:22] <FraX> the box i am trying to install on does not have one
[02:22] <ogra> FTTP: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[02:22] <veran> FraX: ummm
[02:22] <zenwhen> FTTP, are you not able to get into gnome?
[02:22] <zenwhen> If you cna get into gnome, oyu can adjust form there
[02:22] <zenwhen> you*
[02:23] <ogra> FTTP: if you cant adjust form the computer menu
[02:23] <ogra> from
[02:23] <zenwhen> look what i made you do ogra
[02:23] <FTTP> im in gnome right now
[02:23] <zenwhen> O:
[02:23] <FTTP> what do i adjust?
[02:23] <zenwhen> oh
[02:23] <zenwhen> go to "computer"  and then to Desktop settings
[02:24] <ogra> FTTP: computer->system settings
[02:24] <zenwhen> oops
[02:24] <zenwhen> i mean system configuration
[02:24] <ogra> zenwhen: :)
[02:24] <zenwhen> and then go to screen resolution
[02:24] <zenwhen> boom
[02:24] <ogra> got me :)
[02:24] <FTTP> ogra it doesnt detect the correct refresh rates
[02:24] <zenwhen> ruh roh
[02:24] <FTTP> i have much higher rates
[02:25] <pedru> is there a way display to display man/info pages in nautilus?
[02:25] <ogra> FTTP: so try the command i gave you.....
[02:25] <amr> gah
[02:25] <amr> identd still tells me to fo
[02:25] <jdub> pedru: no
[02:25] <ogra> FTTP: in a terminal
[02:25] <pedru> damn..
[02:25] <jdub> pedru: yelp will have support for them again soon, we hope.
[02:25] <ogra> pedru: it once was possible in the help viewer...
[02:26] <FTTP> ogra ok ill scroll up
[02:26] <pedru> man pages of scary powerful programs look so much more motivating in these konqueror style coloured well formated man pages
[02:26] <pedru> yelp...
[02:26] <pedru> in 2.8 i guess
[02:26] <ogra> pedru: ubuntu is 2.8
[02:27] <thoreauputic> pedru: there are web pages with man pages, if you want them
[02:27] <crack> ok
[02:27] <FTTP> ogra help
[02:27] <crack> flux was too hard
[02:27] <crack> lol
[02:27] <FTTP> i dont know pci identifier
[02:27] <crack> not ready for me
[02:27] <ogra> FTTP: it will provide the default settings.....
[02:27] <FTTP> i just kept the default
[02:27] <FTTP> ok
[02:27] <FTTP> ogra i dont know how many megs my video card is
[02:27] <pedru> thoreauputic, thanks, i didn't knew that
[02:27] <FTTP> i think its 64
[02:28] <FTTP> but im not 100%
[02:28] <ogra> FTTP: just hit enter until you get to the monitor
[02:28] <thoreauputic> crack: heh - an editor is kind of useful to use flux
[02:28] <pedru> thanks ogra
[02:28] <ogra> pedru: youre welcome
[02:28] <thoreauputic> pedru: :)
[02:28] <pedru> i'm messing around with pure-data
[02:29] <pedru> so much new stuff
[02:29] <thoreauputic> pedru
[02:29] <thoreauputic> oops
[02:29] <pedru> yes?
[02:29] <pedru> ^_^
[02:29] <thoreauputic> pedru: http://linuxcommand.org/superman_pages.php
[02:30] <thoreauputic> pedru: there are others but that's what I have bookmarked for these occasions
[02:30] <pedru> thoreauputic, even bigger thanks...
[02:30] <pedru> thats a bookmark candidate
[02:30] <FTTP> nope doesnt change em
[02:30] <thoreauputic> pedru: that's a good site, BTW
[02:31] <FTTP> we need a new installer which will fix this
[02:31] <FTTP> other distros have this correct
[02:31] <chazwurth> hmm. so, I decided to allow the installer to wipe my hard drive and install on one large partition. It seems to have frozen at 33% complete for the last minute or so. should I be worried about this?
[02:31] <crack> its ok
[02:31] <crack> im gonna learn this first
[02:31] <ogra> FTTP: after changing you must relogin
[02:31] <FTTP> oh well
[02:31] <crack> for a while
[02:31] <FTTP> ogra oh
[02:31] <chazwurth> frozen at the 'formatting' step that is.
[02:31] <FTTP> ok
[02:31] <FTTP> let me try
[02:31] <FTTP> not sure if it will change anything
[02:32] <FTTP> but we shall see
[02:32] <crack> what are you installing fttp?
[02:32] <crack> ubuntu?
[02:32] <crack> meh
[02:32] <crack> hey thor, i still cant install a different theme that i picked up off the net
[02:33] <ogra> chazwurth: what filesystem ?
[02:33] <crack> how do i add it to the list? do u know?
[02:33] <pedru> thoreauputic, ohhh, they got a shell tutorial too...
[02:33] <chazwurth> ogra: seems to be doing ext3
[02:33] <chazwurth> ogra: I'm just doing the completely default install.
[02:33] <thoreauputic> pedru: yup - it's a good one: I used bits of it to learn bash
[02:34] <ogra> chazwurth: how big is the disk ?
[02:34] <chazwurth> ogra: about 30 gigs.
[02:34] <thoreauputic> crack: sorry, I'm no KDE expert I'm afraid
[02:34] <ajulius> nope
[02:34] <ogra> chazwurth: should take not too long ....
[02:34] <ajulius> doesnt change it
[02:34] <crack> its k
[02:34] <chazwurth> ogra: it's still sitting at 33%. although the machine isn't frozen, I can still switch to other virtual terminals.
[02:34] <crack> i will get it
[02:35] <ajulius> ubuntu is clean and nice, needs work on the installer and monitor detection
[02:35] <ajulius> :)
[02:35] <ogra> chazwurth: so give it some time.....normally it works.....
[02:35] <pedru> thoreauputic, i'm currently using bash only for executing single commands... wanted to go a little into details...
[02:35] <chazwurth> ogra: will do.
[02:35] <ajulius> should i report the monitor detection as a bug?
[02:35] <ogra> ajulius: FTTP ?
[02:35] <ajulius> ogra
[02:35] <ajulius> yes
[02:35] <ajulius> sorry
[02:35] <ogra> ajulius: confusing :)
[02:36] <pedru> well, g00d night
[02:36] <thoreauputic> pedru: I have  a little timer script I've written here, if you are interested (first attempt at a GUI)
[02:36] <pedru> thoreauputic, yes..
[02:36] <pedru> can you send it?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> pedru: just check this:
[02:36] <FTTP> sorry
[02:36] <FTTP> reloged and it changed my settings
[02:36] <FTTP> anyways
[02:36] <FTTP> still not working
[02:36] <thoreauputic> pedru: do you have Xdialog installed?
[02:36] <FTTP> ill report it as a bug
[02:37] <FTTP> it should have a selection for monitor in the install
[02:37] <ogra> FTTP: do it
[02:37] <FTTP> ogra:  See it detects my monitor as generic
[02:37] <ogra> FTTP: nope
[02:37] <ogra> FTTP: it should detect your monitor right
[02:37] <FTTP> ogra:  It either should correctly autodect it
[02:37] <FTTP> yeah
[02:37] <pedru> no, but it is an apt-gettable problem
[02:37] <FTTP> thats what im saying
[02:37] <FTTP> ogra we saying same thing
[02:37] <rebirth> well fook this, im knackered
[02:37] <thoreauputic> pedru: yep
[02:37] <rebirth> nn folks
 it should have a selection for monitor in the install
[02:38] <FTTP> ogra it should if the default is not correct
[02:38] <ogra> i want it automatic ;)
[02:38] <ogra> completely !!!
[02:38] <FTTP> ogra:  Automatic fine but ability to change monitor in gnome
[02:38] <FTTP> cause sometimes it will autodetect it wrong
[02:38] <ogra> FTTP: includes it
[02:38] <FTTP> no it didnt work for me
[02:38] <thoreauputic> pedru: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/files/Timer_Script.html  (links at the bottom)
[02:39] <FTTP> ogra:  It needs something simple like other distros have
[02:39] <pedru> k. gotta g0...
[02:39] <pedru> bye
[02:39] <FTTP> ogra ill report it as a bug tho
[02:39] <ogra> FTTP: yep
[02:40] <FTTP> ogra should i report those 3 modprobe errors too or no?
[02:40] <FTTP> its cosmetic im sure
[02:40] <ogra> FTTP: its in there a 100 times :)
[02:40] <FTTP> oh ok
[02:40] <FTTP> ogra:  u sure? ill search for it :)
[02:41] <ogra> FTTP: go on.... its well known and will dissaoear in the next release in april :)
[02:41] <ogra> dissappear
[02:41] <farruinn> Ubuntu recognized my video card better than debian did
[02:41] <FTTP> ogra ok :)
[02:42] <FTTP> Hotplug service always fails for the PCI part when trying to load what seems to
[02:42] <FTTP> be unneeded modules. This is not a stopping bug, as booting follows correctly.
[02:42] <FTTP> yah its there :)
[02:42] <acecase> does anyone know if there is a brightness setting for the "consol" (command line login - without X)?
[02:42] <FTTP> ogra ill report the monitor problem tho
[02:43] <chazwurth> ok...this partitioning tool really doesn't like my laptop :)
[02:43] <ogra_dogwalk> FTTP: yup, do it
[02:43] <chazwurth> I've been fighting with it for half an hour and only just coaxed it into giving me a useable partition table :)
[02:43] <centurion> anyone running ubuntu on a tibook 667mhz?
[02:44] <farruinn> no, but I have it running on an oldworld G3 - w00t!
[02:44] <centurion> nice
[02:44] <centurion> ::)
[02:44] <centurion> you likey like?
[02:44] <farruinn> yeah, my first attempt didn't work, but it's working beautifully now
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> farruinn: maybe i need to fire up my old powerbook 3400c?
[02:44] <nomasteryoda> i have yellowdog 3.0 on it
[02:44] <centurion> cool
[02:45] <nomasteryoda> i'm sure ubuntu would be faster
[02:45] <billytwowilly> anyone running mythfrontend on an xbox? is it possible to run mythfrontend and play the xbox games?
[02:46] <stuNNed_> anyone have any luck for a conexant softmodem to work?
[02:46] <billytwowilly> gah!
[02:46] <billytwowilly> wrong chan
[02:46] <farruinn> I added to the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs, sorry about the formatting though
[02:50] <ep> When opening Synaptic, I'm getting this message:
[02:50] <ep> Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:50] <ep> Any advice, as I can't see any packages.
[02:50] <jdub> ep: synaptic must be run with superuser privileges
[02:50] <jdub> ep: how are you running it?
[02:51] <ep> I'm just logged in, how do I log into sudo
[02:51] <FTTP> okie
[02:51] <FTTP> 1 new bug submitted
[02:51] <FTTP> also on the font hinting
[02:52] <FTTP> how can i change this to the REAL hinting
[02:52] <FTTP> even though its against truetypes patent :P
[02:52] <crack> hey thor
[02:52] <FTTP> there was a way to do it for freetype
[02:52] <FTTP> anyone remember?
[02:52] <FTTP> it was something simple too
[02:53] <ep> I tried going to root terminal, sudo synaptic, but getting same error
[02:53] <NewComer> isn't there a standalone svg viewer? so that once can view svg files and not only get previews in nautilus
[02:53] <NewComer> s/once/one
[02:54] <jdub> NewComer: eog
[02:54] <anihilator> hey guys, i need some help getting my sound working
[02:54] <crack> what kind of card?
[02:54] <NewComer> jdub, lemme try
[02:54] <ep> Any tips on getting my synaptic to get past this error?
[02:54] <anihilator> ensoniq sound blaster audio
[02:55] <crack> thor, can he update his drivers thru apt-get?
[02:55] <crack> someone?
[02:55] <acecase> sound card modules?
[02:55] <crack> yea
[02:55] <acecase> i don't think so
[02:55] <ep> so should it be sudo apt-get
[02:56] <Cube-ness> weird.. running same version of ubuntu on 2 computers (hoary tests), on one firefox bails on flash with gdk errors.. the other is fine.. what up with that?
[02:56] <crack> ok so should he use tar files or rpm?
[02:56] <acecase> i would recompile the kernel and get em setup that way
[02:56] <crack> meh
[02:56] <crack> hes a newb
[02:56] <acecase> compile in
[02:56] <crack> compiling is tough
[02:56] <ep> sudo apt-get update renders same error.
[02:56] <ep> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:56] <ep> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:56] <acecase> )
[02:56] <NewComer> jdub, thanks, but eog seems to deal strangely with svg, zooming in eog gets u a pixelated image
[02:57] <acecase> can you get sound card modules any other way?
[02:57] <crack> cant you download the drivers from the site in rpm base or tar base?
[02:57] <jdub> NewComer: mm, it renders it first
[02:57] <jdub> NewComer: how about inkscape?
[02:57] <acecase> I'm sure its possible but i doubt it
[02:57] <crack> then install thru using the sudo tar xzvf blah blah
[02:57] <chazwurth> acecase: aren't there problems with compiling all of the alsa modules into the kernel? I thought they tended to work better when loaded as modules.
[02:58] <NewComer> jdub, inkscape would do it, but i was hoping for just a simple viewer, not a complicated editor.. thx anyway
[02:58] <crack> hey anihilator, do u see the sound card in your hardware at all?
[02:58] <acecase> chazwurth, i've heard the same thing. it works fine on this pc and on my vdr box but some say its best to use modules
[02:58] <crack> meaning, in your hardware stuff
[02:59] <anihilator> yeah it recognizes it, what's the command to see card specs?
[02:59] <crack> ok then setup should be fine
[02:59] <crack> if it sees it and realizes what it is
[02:59] <crack> you shouldnt have to set it up
[02:59] <anihilator> k
[02:59] <crack> turn up the volume?
[02:59] <crack> lol
[02:59] <anihilator> heh that's not it
[02:59] <crack> i know its a stupid thing to say
[02:59] <crack> but have to ask
[03:00] <crack> do they have power?
[03:00] <acecase> hey that sounds funny but redhat 8 installed for some reason with volume all the way down by default every time
[03:00] <FTTP> my eyes are blind
[03:00] <anihilator> heh its a legit question
[03:01] <FTTP> man........... im in windows now, fonts are so much clearer
[03:01] <anihilator> what do ya mean?
[03:01] <FTTP> they ought to enable the truetype hinting
[03:01] <crack> if it sees it, then its a volume thing or speaker thing
[03:01] <crack> not a sound card thing i think
[03:01] <FTTP> patents suck
[03:01] <FTTP> it causes things like that
[03:01] <veran> hrmm
[03:01] <FTTP> im against all software patents
[03:01] <veran> on my laptop I find the hinting to be much nicer than clear type
[03:02] <FTTP> veran:  Im using the regular windows fonts
[03:02] <FTTP> on microsoft
[03:02] <VR^> hi all, i signed up for an ubuntu CD - will i get a confirmation e-mail for that at all?
[03:02] <crack> anihilator, do they have power?
[03:02] <FTTP> and its alot clearer than the fonts on ubuntu
[03:02] <acecase> but FTTP if it wasn't for locking down other peoples ideas then where would Bill gates be?
[03:02] <acecase> :)
[03:02] <Rene_S> Using Linux
[03:02] <acecase> lol
[03:02] <crack> are the speakers on?
[03:02] <FTTP> acecase:  We can enable the hinting
[03:02] <FTTP> its simple
[03:02] <anihilator> yes they are
[03:02] <crack> k
[03:03] <acecase> hinting?
[03:03] <FTTP> acecase:  But they should tell you how to :)
[03:03] <anihilator> any sound device gives me an error when i try to use it
[03:03] <FTTP> acecase:  The truetype hinting has a patent
[03:03] <FTTP> the freetype is cabable of it
[03:03] <acecase> oic yeah ?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> crack: just a pointer - use tab-complete for nicks - I don't see your messages otherwise if I'm in another channel (they don't highlight)
[03:03] <FTTP> err capable of it
[03:03] <FTTP> but its not enabled by default due to legality issues
[03:03] <crack> tab complete?
[03:03] <acecase> i have TT enabled
[03:03] <thoreauputic> crack: so "thor" won't do it
[03:03] <crack> lol
[03:03] <crack> its k
[03:03] <FTTP> acecase how do i enable the hinting?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> crack: thor <tab>
[03:04] <anihilator> like tryin to play the radio, it gives me the error: Could not create audio output element; check your settings
[03:04] <FTTP> acecase:  I think you have to recompile freetype or something
[03:04] <crack> thoreauputic, NICE
[03:04] <crack> better?
[03:04] <FTTP> acecase i prolly can google on it
[03:04] <acecase> i did it with webmin so im not sure . its just a font that you need and an entry in XF86config
[03:04] <FTTP> acecase i think the freetype hinting is different then
[03:04] <crack> hey anihilator, if you go under applications, there is an option for multimedia
[03:05] <FTTP> acecase:  Or is it
[03:05] <crack> click that then volume
[03:05] <FTTP> ill google :P
[03:05] <crack> un mute it
[03:05] <crack> lol
[03:05] <crack> thoreauputic, is this better?
[03:05] <acecase> oic sorry. never heard of it :)
[03:05] <thoreauputic> crack: yup that worked fine :)
[03:05] <crack> thoreauputic, thanks
[03:05] <thoreauputic> crack: I'm using tabs in xchat so they only highlight on my nick
[03:06] <anihilator> crack, yeah all the volume's are unmuted, sound apps give me errors when i try to use them
[03:06] <crack> ah
[03:06] <acecase> i don't use X much for myself so I know even less about all that then everything else :)
[03:06] <anihilator> crack, like tryin to play the radio it says: Could not create audio output element; check your settings
[03:06] <crack> hmm
[03:06] <FTTP> acecase:  #define TT_CONFIG_OPTION_BYTECODE_INTERPRETER
[03:06] <crack> anihilator, have you tried to manually configure the card?
[03:07] <acecase> :)
[03:07] <FTTP> acecase u need to recompile freetype with that
[03:07] <anihilator> crack, nah
[03:07] <FTTP> and copy over the microsoft fonts and ur in business
[03:07] <crack> thoreauputic, can you help anihilator, im over my head here
[03:07] <acecase> im stuck using X rite now cause I can see the freakin consol lmbo and can't find anything on it
[03:07] <ogra> anihilator: on warty ?
[03:07] <anihilator> ogra, tryin to get my sound workin
[03:07] <ogra> anihilator: on warty ?
[03:08] <acecase> so TrueType isn't what you ment?
[03:08] <ogra> anihilator: or on hoary ?
[03:08] <FTTP> acecase:  i meant font hinting
[03:08] <crack> i dont think he knows
[03:08] <anihilator> ogra, i dont know what those are
[03:08] <crack> ogra, he is new
[03:08] <crack> ogra, VERY NEW
[03:08] <ogra> anihilator: is it a default install or did you upgrade to the unstable version ?
[03:08] <crack> lol
[03:08] <FTTP> acecase:  www.freetype.org
[03:08] <anihilator> lol
[03:09] <anihilator> i'm running sarge debian
[03:09] <FTTP> acecase:  http://freetype.sourceforge.net/patents.html
[03:09] <ogra> anihilator: oh
[03:10] <crack> ogra, the guys over in debian were no help so i asked him to come here, we may be able to help him
[03:10] <ogra> crack: try it...
[03:10] <crack> try what?
[03:10] <crack> i did
[03:10] <acecase> reckon that works with consol fonts? :) j/k
[03:10] <crack> i was told that you cant install drivers thru apt-get and it knows what the card is
[03:11] <crack> im over my head when it comes to hardware configurations
[03:11] <crack> at least right now
[03:11] <crack> ask me on windows, and im a wiz
[03:12] <crack> hey anihilator, it sees it under device manager?
[03:12] <FTTP> 2009 the patent expires
[03:12] <FTTP> we have to wait :P
[03:12] <crack> anihilator, it sees it under device manager?
[03:12] <acecase> ubuntu should have a module for his sound card if he knows what it is he can just find what module it uses and modprobe it. if hes somehow lost it or compiled a custom kernel without it then the only way i see getting it back is recompiling the kernel
[03:12] <FTTP> in 2009 they can include it free :)
[03:12] <crack> he hasnt compiled a kernel
[03:12] <crack> he is new
[03:12] <crack> its a fresh install
[03:13] <ogra> crack: ubuntu has a very small footprint, so its easy to help as you have to know just a handfull things....debian is huge.... much harder to support
[03:13] <crack> and its giving him errors when he uses the card
[03:13] <thoreauputic> crack: he might not have a "device manager" in Debian
[03:13] <acecase> its not that hard. especialy undet a deb based distro cause you can build a deb that does it all for yah after you config it
[03:13] <crack> if its gnome, i thought that it would be the same
[03:13] <ogra> crack: see what i mean ?
[03:13] <anihilator> =(
[03:14] <ogra> crack: ubuntu is tweaked......
[03:14] <crack> anihilator, do u have a device manager under computer?
[03:14] <thoreauputic> crack: sarge has a differnet gnome version anyway
[03:14] <crack> oh
[03:14] <crack> kk
[03:14] <ogra> anihilator: run gstreamer-properties in a terminal
[03:14] <thoreauputic> crack: that's all Ubuntu specific
[03:14] <crack> oh
[03:14] <crack> ok
[03:14] <crack> still, you guys are brilliant
[03:14] <crack> lol
[03:15] <ogra> heh
[03:15] <anihilator> aight i ran gstreamer
[03:15] <ogra> anihilator: did you hear a testsound ?
[03:15] <anihilator> nope
[03:16] <ogra> anihilator: tried all sinks ?
[03:16] <thoreauputic> anihilator: in a term run :  uname -r and tell us the output
[03:16] <anihilator> only ones there are alsa and custom
[03:16] <ogra> anihilator: type esdsink into custom
[03:17] <anihilator> 2.6.8-1-k7 i updated the kernel last night
[03:17] <anihilator> from 2.4
[03:17] <crack> ah
[03:17] <anihilator> so not positive everything's in order with that...
[03:17] <thoreauputic> anihilator: have you run alsaconf  ?
[03:17] <ogra> anihilator: and : apt-get install gstreamer-esd
[03:18] <crack> see
[03:18] <crack> this is why i love you guys
[03:18] <ogra> or gstreamer0.6-esd
[03:18] <thoreauputic> anihilator: try alsaconf as root
[03:18] <ogra> or gstreamer0.8-esd
[03:18] <ogra> dunno which is in debian right now
[03:19] <anihilator> havent run alsaconf before, doing that now
[03:19] <ogra> night all
[03:19] <thoreauputic> night ogra
[03:19] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:19] <ogra> mdz: have nice holidays
[03:20] <anihilator> alright, still nothing on the sound. thanks for your help ogra
[03:21] <Rene_S> Hmm anyone know where Firefox keeps its files for plugins, I thought it was /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins   I am trying to install the java plugin and for some reason it wont show up in the list and I linked it correctly
[03:22] <thoreauputic> anihilator: run lsmod | less and see if you have sound drivers loaded
[03:22] <FTTP> ok im gonna try the upgrade to hoary
[03:23] <FTTP> theres a faq on how to do it right?
[03:23] <anihilator> snd_ens1371            25252  1
[03:23] <FTTP> linux isnt my regular os so unstable is fine :)
[03:23] <anihilator> pretty sure that's the one
[03:24] <acecase> FTTP theres nothing to it. just change warty to hoary and do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <dle> Does Ubuntu or Debian have anything like chkconfig for configuring init scripts?
[03:25] <acecase> that is change all the instances of warty in /etc/apt/sources.list to hoary
[03:25] <anihilator> thoreauputic, snd_ens1371            25252  1
[03:25] <anihilator>    is on the list, pretty sure that's the driver
[03:25] <thoreauputic> anihilator: is there a soundcore driver or similar?
[03:26] <anihilator> thoreauputic, soundcore              10400  1 snd
[03:26] <anihilator>   yes
[03:26] <FTTP> everyone was saying how crazy ubuntu was for giving out free unlimited cds..... but then i think about how many aol cds aol mailed out and the # pails in comparison
[03:26] <acecase> i must be the only one on earth with this problem. theres nothing on ebay and noone knows
[03:26] <thoreauputic> anihilator: have you tried running alsamixer and unmuting sound there?
[03:27] <Childe> Hello world.
[03:27] <acecase> Childe, hello :)
[03:27] <Childe> I've just tried Ubuntu, but the installer locked when choosing the languages.
[03:28] <ddepiano_lap> I've got to say folks, I've been a Mandrake user for years, but I am extremely impressed with Ubuntu
[03:28] <acecase> i LOVE ubuntu but I'm going to end up back on gentoo just because i can't see my consol.
[03:29] <Childe> I use a PS/2 keyboard and a PS/2 mouse. Why does the installer lock?
[03:29] <ddepiano_lap> acecase: what do you mean you can't see the console?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> acecase: sorry, what do you mean?
[03:30] <thoreauputic> acecase: ctrl-alt-F* does nothing?
[03:30] <acecase> i disabled gdm at boot and so i get a login "prompt" my screen is so dark i can't see it
[03:30] <Childe> I can input the boot parameters and press enter to start the boot process, but as soon as the installer showed me the "choose languages" dialogue, the keyboard can not input anything.
[03:31] <Childe> Has anybody experienced the same problem?
[03:31] <anihilator> thoreauputic, one of the switches was off there, now i get a different error trying to play sound: "Could not open resource for writing" and "Could not pause playback"
[03:31] <thoreauputic> acecase: don't you get a white prompt on a black background?
[03:31] <acecase> i have always called it a "consol" for lack of a better term. what i meen is linux without X :) when i start X my brightness is fine but without it its WAY to dark
[03:32] <acecase> thoreauputic, i get white text through about half of the boot process but sometime before i get a login prompt it gets real dark
[03:32] <thoreauputic> acecase: :(
[03:32] <acecase> I can just barely make out words if it is totaly dark in here
[03:32] <acecase> its weird
[03:32] <thoreauputic> yes
[03:33] <acecase> i didn't even know that brightness was variable
[03:33] <thoreauputic> so login and type startx, use an x terminal once there...
[03:33] <chazwurth> hmm. So I've got Ubuntu installed now, and everything is working fantastically well. Except that the gui config tools won't accept my password. Sudo on the command line takes it just fine, but, for example, the gnome network config tool will not.
[03:33] <chazwurth> anyone run into this before?
[03:33] <acecase> thats what im doing now. just blindly logged in and did sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[03:33] <acecase> i don't like X though
[03:34] <Childe> Anybody cares my problem? Cry...
[03:34] <acecase> i shouldn't say i don't like it. i think its awsome but its useless for this box
[03:35] <thoreauputic> acecase: maybe try sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[03:35] <acecase> ok thanks
[03:35] <lifeless> acecase: so, you just need to change gdm to not start.
[03:35] <thoreauputic> lifeless: no, he did that already
[03:35] <lifeless> oh, ok.
[03:35] <acecase> lifeless, i did that. i need to get my consol's brightness up
[03:36] <anihilator> thoreauputic, one of the switches was off in alsamixer, now i get a different error trying to play sound: "Could not open resource for writing" and "Could not pause playback"
[03:36] <lifeless> setterm maybe
[03:36] <lifeless> acecase: is it a lcd or crt ?
[03:36] <thoreauputic> anihilator: hmm... don't know: you'll need someone who knows more about sound, sorry :(
[03:37] <acecase> crt
[03:37] <acecase> 17' emachines :)
[03:37] <lifeless> you could try setterm -bold on
[03:37] <anihilator> thoreauputic, alright, thanks for your help
[03:37] <lifeless> or setterm -half-bright off
[03:38] <acecase> thoreauputic, thanks for the try :) it just offered to change my keymap
[03:38] <acecase> lifeless, thanks. so there is a brightness setting?
[03:38] <acecase> thats what it seems like because its fine for half the boot process.
[03:39] <lifeless> acecase: not really sure, just did a quick google to see if I could fine anything useful.
[03:39] <lifeless> one posisiblity is if its in framebuffer mode, or not.
[03:39] <lifeless> but I'm not really clued up on this..
[03:39] <acecase> lol what did you search for? ive googled google to death and didn't find anything :)
[03:39] <thoreauputic> anihilator: sorry I couldn't help more - good luck
[03:40] <crack> thoreauputic, fix it?
[03:40] <acecase> i didn't even think about framebuffer support. lemmy check my kernel .config
[03:41] <Xtreme___> installed ubuntu on a dell latitude d800 laptop, after installation (which went alright), screen goes black when X starts/tries to launch.
[03:41] <Xtreme___> anyone have any idea, of what i can do?
[03:42] <JStrike> Are there any newer Wine packages than 20040615 for Ubuntu?
[03:44] <jdz`> JStrike: Proubaly not in Warty
[03:46] <JStrike> Bugger
[03:48] <chazwurth> can someone point me to a document that briefly explains what 'universe' is?
[03:48] <Rene_S> www.nasa.gov/universe/hawking/segan.html
[03:48] <chazwurth> heh
[03:48] <chazwurth> thanks
[03:49] <jdz`> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components :P
[03:49] <FTTP> ok i got the hoardy faq
[03:49] <chazwurth> seriously though
[03:49] <thoreauputic> chazwurth: and before you ask, the answer is 42 ;)
[03:49] <chazwurth> lol
[03:49] <Rene_S> Universe is just files that fall outside the scope of a supported Ubuntu release
[03:49] <FTTP> which warty do i ned to change to hoardy in the file?
[03:49] <FTTP> just after the deb http:// part?
[03:50] <chazwurth> ah, I see
[03:50] <thoreauputic> FTTP: just change each instance of "warty" to "hoary"
[03:50] <Rene_S> Look at them as files your really prolly need but no one seems to want to include in a distro hehe
[03:50] <FTTP> tgoreauputic:  Even the 1st one?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> FTTP: ?
[03:50] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  The 1st one is Warty with a caps
[03:51] <ubusaj> newbie question:  how do i stop/start services using a GUI?
[03:51] <FTTP> and would change it to 4.10 being Hoardy
[03:51] <chazwurth> I was wondering where a bunch of stuff was, I guess that's the answer :)
[03:51] <FTTP> that doesnt make sense
[03:51] <FTTP> or does it?
[03:51] <thoreauputic> FTTP: are you editing the file, or using Synaptic?
[03:51] <jdz`> chazwurth: *nods*  Yup.  Universe is basicly a snapshot of Debian Sid from a few months ago.  Or something like that :)
[03:51] <Rene_S> There is also Multiverse
[03:51] <FTTP> thoreauputic im editing the file before using synaptic
[03:51] <Rene_S> More files, no support
[03:52] <FTTP> thats what the faq says
[03:52] <thoreauputic> FTTP: Ok - can  you join #flood?
[03:52] <chazwurth> and that's basically the equivalent of debian non-free?
[03:52] <FTTP> nevermind the warty i looked at has a _
[03:52] <FTTP> thoreauputic sure
[03:52] <jdz`> chazwurth: *nods*  Exactly.
[03:52] <thoreauputic> OK I'm there
[03:53] <thoreauputic> FTTP: ^^^
[03:53] <jdz`> chazwurth: Refering to Multiverse, I mean.
[03:53] <FTTP> ok
[03:53] <FTTP> im there too
[03:56] <ubusaj> is there a channel for newbie help?
[03:58] <chazwurth> well, I gotta say...this is the easiest-to-set-up, most user-friendly, nicest Linux desktop I've ever seen. props to the Ubuntu developers.
[03:59] <acecase> whats wrong with this.. fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.111504.1 kernel_image ? It keeps giveing me error"The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9.110604, but I thought the version is 2.6.9.111504.1"
[03:59] <chazwurth> it even got power management and wireless working on my laptop without any intervention on my part, which I find nothing short of incredible.
[04:03] <hypatia_> that's awesome chazwurth!
[04:03] <chazwurth> hypa7ia: I sure think so :)
[04:09] <Childe> Help!
[04:09] <Gmail> yes
[04:09] <hypa7ia> what's up Childe
[04:09] <Childe> The Ubuntu installer hangs up when choosing the languages
[04:09] <hypa7ia> oooh noes
[04:10] <hypa7ia> you prolly just need to boot with apci or something off
[04:10] <jdz`> ugh ;(  http://planet.ubuntulinux.org seems to be broken ;(
[04:10] <hypa7ia> what kind of machine my Childe (lol)
[04:10] <Childe> I've tried acpi=off but the problem is still there
[04:10] <hypa7ia> there's another one
[04:10] <hypa7ia> nolapic?
[04:10] <Childe> It's a SiS mainboard, PS/2 keyboard
[04:10] <Childe> Yes. both noapic and nolapic
[04:11] <Childe> No USB devices
[04:11] <lifeless> dle: works foe me
[04:11] <Gmail> do a md5sum check NOW!
[04:11] <hypa7ia> darn, that's all i know to suggest, Childe
[04:11] <hypa7ia> jdz`: planet's worknig from here (toronto)
[04:11] <Childe> I'm crying
[04:11] <Gmail> Childe: 50%+ of all problem are becuase people don't do md5sum checks
[04:12] <jdz`> hypa7ia: *nods*  The page loads.  However, it seems to be *broken*
[04:12] <Childe> Gmail: I've md4 checked it. Thanks
[04:12] <lifeless> jdz`: perhaps if you define *broken* a little, we can help.
[04:12] <Childe> SOrry, md5
[04:12] <hypa7ia> jdz`: what part?
[04:12] <Gmail> Childe: md5check it the whole cd
[04:12] <Gmail> again
[04:13] <Childe> Gmail: OK.
[04:13] <fubarpa> Hello everyone... :)  Recent Gentoo defector here heh
[04:13] <Gmail> anyone want an easy way of install java in firefox http://java.mozdev.org/java_xpis/index.html
[04:13] <jdz`> lifeless, hypa7ia: Every single entry is by Tollef Fog Heen, dated November 15th.  All of those are old blog entries.
[04:13] <lifeless> I'll bet it tollefs rss
[04:14] <hypa7ia> doh.  his rss pwned the planet :-)
[04:15] <jdz`> *sigh*  *wanders off to read planet gnome*
[04:15] <mercurus> hmm ... I'm having some problems with sound ...
[04:15] <lifeless> jdub: who runs ou rplanet ?
[04:15] <mercurus> it works nicely in Ubuntu, esd receives ALSA and OSS streams and plays them both out simultaneously ...
[04:15] <mercurus> I've done everything I can to mirror that in debian ... but I can't get multiple streams happening ... suggestions ?
[04:16] <jdz`> fubarpa: Welcome!  I'm also former gentoo :)
[04:16] <jdub> lifeless: cron.
[04:16] <lifeless> sorry : 'admins'.
[04:16] <fubarpa> Cool!  I'm not the only one. :)  I got tired of the compiles and borked configurations
[04:16] <jdub> i have no access
[04:16] <jdub> i just send patches to the sysadmins
[04:16] <lifeless> so - thom ?
[04:17] <jdz`> mercurus: Multiple streams -- Are you using esd as the output driver?
[04:17] <lifeless> oh, ok, you admin-by-puppet ?
[04:17] <mercurus> interestingly, I have no OSS device in gnome mixer under debian ... is that a driver\module specific issue, or a missing package ?
[04:17] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: pants off
[04:17] <mercurus> jdz`, not quite ... ALSA
[04:17] <mercurus> ie. in Ubuntu ALSA devices loop through esd
[04:17] <jdub> indeed.
[04:18] <jdub> pants off *and* admin by puppet
[04:18] <KneelBeforeXorg> therein we learn that it is all good.
[04:18] <FTTP> dang
[04:18] <FTTP> almost done with hoardy upgrade
[04:18] <FTTP> err hoary
[04:19] <jdz`> mercurus: I wish I knew enough to help you.  From my understanding - unless you have hardware mixing in your soundcard or are using a sound daemon (such as esd) - you can not have mutiple streams at once.
[04:19] <mercurus> jdz`, I am using esd ... but ALSA too ...
[04:19] <jdub> mercurus: no, esd talks to alsa via the oss compat interface
[04:20] <jdub> mercurus: you will only have an oss mixer interface if you've loaded its kernel module
[04:20] <mercurus> jdub: so which driver holds the output device open ? OSS ?
[04:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> dirty dirty esd
[04:20] <mercurus> jdub: of course ... *goes to load it*
[04:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> there ought to be a law
[04:20] <jdub> mercurus: if your output device doesn't support multiple writers, neither oss or alsa kernel drivers can help
[04:21] <mercurus> jdub, ah ... the module is loaded ...
[04:21] <jdub> mercurus: snd_mixer_oss?
[04:21] <mercurus> jdub: yes, using snd_pcm_oss
[04:22] <mercurus> and both are used by snd
[04:22] <jdub> not sure why the oss mixer tab wouldn't appear, then
[04:22] <jdub> anyway, you can't avoid the locked device problem
[04:22] <jdub> you have to do things differently
[04:22] <mercurus> I do have another tab ... that is blank ... to do with the modem ... but I haven't done anything to configure it
[04:23] <jdub> such as always using esd
[04:23] <mercurus> jdub: I'm trying to mirror my fully functional ubuntu config ...
[04:29] <Gnobody> what is the module name of the ATi Tv wonder card??
[04:30] <FTTP> holy cow
[04:30] <FTTP> hoary fixed my screen issue
[04:30] <FTTP> go figure :)
[04:30] <Gnobody> what is that?
[04:30] <FTTP> im at 85mhz now
[04:31] <FTTP> ill check my refresh rates to make sure
[04:31] <thoreauputic> FTTP: :) yay!
[04:31] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Weird, it raises my refresh to 85mhz
[04:31] <FTTP> i can do over 100 tho
[04:31] <thoreauputic> FTTP: it's X.org
[04:31] <mercurus> jdub, how would you recommend I set up sound devices to make it functional ..?
[04:32] <Ruffian|JANE|> FTTP: my fasted computer is 85MHz
[04:32] <FTTP> thoreauputic no wonder :P
[04:32] <stuNNed_> FTTP, over 100? whoa :)
[04:32] <FTTP> its a superscan 753
[04:32] <amathis> is there not ANY fix for the xmms bug???
[04:32] <FTTP> i think its over 100, not sure actually
[04:32] <stuNNed_> so hopefully compiling the hsf linuxant drivers will fix their dying on me
[04:32] <Gnobody> whats the command to find all the modules I have?????
[04:32] <thoreauputic> FTTP: new X architecture - sounds like they got something right ;)
[04:32] <alberto_> hi there! I'm installing ubuntu and I ran into a problem: I want to avoid installing a boot loader because I already have one, but I don't know exactly how and what to tell grub to do
[04:32] <stuNNed_> FTTP, if i could get 100...would be ultra sweet
[04:32] <Skif> Does anybody know of a constraint-solving (or, ideally, -optimizing) program?
[04:32] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Ill check the refresh rates ... ill google :P
[04:33] <Skif> er, constraints like optimizing packing of 2d objects in a plane?
[04:33] <Gnobody> what is the name for the ATi TV Wonder module?
[04:33] <FTTP> 100-Hz refresh rate at 1280 by 1024 resolution
[04:34] <FTTP> yeah 85mhz is low
[04:34] <FTTP> and thats for 1024x768 mind u
[04:34] <stuNNed_> FTTP, lol :)
[04:34] <FTTP> guess i got it up to 85
[04:34] <FTTP> better than 75 :P
[04:36] <FTTP> ill report it as a bug even tho it may not be i dunno
[04:37] <stuNNed_> FTTP, think my pc is 1600x1200@75 not sure though
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> er
[04:37] <stuNNed_> hiyas HrdwrBoB
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> 85Hz os standard
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> is
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> 100Hz is high
[04:37] <HrdwrBoB> 85Hz is generally recognised as good
[04:38] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, if you could to 100hz would you?
[04:40] <stuNNed_> is pretty much everybody in here running HoarytheHedgehog? :D
[04:40] <Gnobody> has anybody successfully enabled DMA on a SATA using a VIA controller???
[04:40] <Gnobody> I am
[04:40] <Gnobody> its not "the"
[04:41] <Gnobody> just HoaryHedgehog
[04:42] <KneelBeforeXorg> Michigan J. Frog
[04:42] <KneelBeforeXorg> maybe distro names should be generated the same way as spammer names
[04:42] <KneelBeforeXorg> Horology K. Puckett
[04:43] <stuNNed_> Gnobody, sorry, HoaryHedgehog :)
[04:45] <eclipse> how do u remove "About Ubuntu..." in Applications menu?
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed_: more is better.
[04:45] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, can't fathom 100hz, would be nice
[04:45] <stuNNed_> HrdwrBoB, i placed an order for cd's to be shipped can i place a 2nd order?
[04:46] <Chibi> stunned- You should probably wait til the next release :/
[04:47] <eclipse> anyone knows how to remove "About Ubuntu..." in Applications menu?
[04:47] <Chibi> CD orders are closed now, aren't they?
[04:49] <stuNNed_> Chibi, think they reopened cuz of popular demand
[04:50] <Chibi> :o Well, who wouldn't want free linux cd's to throw around the world?
[04:50] <eclipse> anyone knows how to remove "About Ubuntu..." in Applications menu?
[04:50] <stuNNed_> eclipse, maybe in gconf-editor? not really sure.
[04:51] <eclipse> stunned: i'll see if i can do it there...thx
[04:53] <mojo_> Hi every1
[04:53] <gen> hey
[04:53] <mojo_> can someone give me a host to upload newest Industrial Steel themes (ripped from NLD9)??
[04:54] <hypa7ia> mojo_: just space to store them for now?
[04:54] <hypa7ia> i'd be glad to put them up for ya
[04:54] <stuNNed_> mojo_, are they f/oss?
[04:55] <FTTP> OMG
[04:55] <FTTP> hoary is more stable than warty and its only a development release :)
[04:55] <FTTP> it already fixed a few bugs i had
[04:55] <hypa7ia> really?
[04:55] <hypa7ia> maybe i should upgrade....
[04:55] <FTTP> for long term use i dont know
[04:55] <hypa7ia> *tempted*
[04:55] <gen> ive had hoary up for 8 days, been fine
[04:55] <tvon|x31> it might be more stable on your box but I don't think it generally is
[04:55] <FTTP> i only know i had a few bugs
[04:56] <FTTP> and hoary corrected em :)
[04:56] <tvon|x31> but, I'm generalizing :)
[04:56] <FTTP> so far so good
[04:56] <FTTP> hypa7ia is linux your main platform?
[04:56] <jdz`> FTTP: You make it sound very tempting :)
[04:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> how do I enable universe in synaptic?
[04:56] <FTTP> jdz:  Its a development release so im just testing it
[04:56] <FTTP> if i find any bugs that are major (possible) ill report em
[04:57] <fubarpa> FTTP: I just updated to that tonight
[04:57] <fubarpa> so far so good
[04:57] <FTTP> you too :)
[04:57] <hypa7ia> FTTP: yup, on my laptop and my desktop and my webserver
[04:57] <FTTP> fubarpa:  My refresh rate went up from 75 to 85 but i can do alot higher, someone said it was due to the x.org
[04:57] <hypa7ia> 2/3 of those are ubuntu
[04:57] <FTTP> i dunno
[04:57] <FTTP> i reported it as a bug tho since i can do 100+ in windows and other linuxes
[04:57] <FTTP> err not sure about the other linuxes actually
[04:58] <fubarpa> I haven't tested XOrg that much...  I've got an ATi card here
[04:58] <FTTP> i thought it was but not 100% sure
[04:58] <FTTP> fubarpa:  ubuntu has so much potential
[04:58] <FTTP> the stock installer is horrible tho
[04:58] <FTTP> and it needs more polish
[04:59] <FTTP> the interface and everything is nice
[04:59] <FTTP> its really nice for a 1st release
[04:59] <hypa7ia> FTTP: the installer is great, IMHO, just needs a snazzier gui
[04:59] <hypa7ia> like, it's super simple
[04:59] <hypa7ia> just not pretty enough :-)
[04:59] <fubarpa> FTTP: Agreed.  I'm quite happy with my switch from Gentoo
[04:59] <FTTP> hypa7ia:  it works under the hood ok
[05:00] <FTTP> hypa7ia:  Except for my monitor selection and the like
[05:00] <jdz`> So far only my Laptop is Ubuntu, Desktop and Webserver are still Gentoo.  I love Ubuntu though and plan to convert the others instead of upgrading.
[05:02] <stuNNed_> FTTP, hypa7ia: i'd rather a fast text installer imho
[05:03] <stuNNed_> jdz`, might want to go with stock debian for server...
[05:03] <mojo_> stnNNed: not sure OSS or not
[05:04] <mojo_> stnNNed: I dun care much OSS or not, I just want new Industrial for my desktop
[05:04] <mojo_> htpa7ia: can u up for me?
[05:04] <jdz`> stuNNed_: *nods*, Or this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[05:04] <stuNNed_> mojo_, use Industrial theme here as well for pc, Ubuntu's theme for laptop
[05:04] <mojo_> stnNNed: the new theme is 10x better
[05:04] <stuNNed_> mojo_, do you not find ubuntu's theme similar to industrial?
[05:05] <stuNNed_> mojo_, nice, knowing novell it's probably f/oss'd let's hope
[05:05] <hypa7ia> mojo_: can you check out the licensing for me first?
[05:06] <mojo_> htpa7ia: is's GNU
[05:06] <mojo_> stnNNed: I just up it here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=19255#post19255
[05:07] <stuNNed_> mojo_, industrial is the default theme in novell linux desktop 9?
[05:07] <stuNNed_> mojo_, thanks!
[05:07] <mojo_> htpa7ia: yes
[05:07] <mojo_> yes
[05:08] <hypa7ia> uploading it now mojo_
[05:09] <Gnobody> how do I change the colour scheme for metacity themes
[05:09] <Gnobody> ?
[05:09] <Gnobody> ie industrial
[05:10] <mojo_> Gnobody: go to /usr/share/themes/<Namethemeuwantouse>/metacity-1/metatheme.xml
[05:10] <mojo_> edit the xml file there
[05:10] <Gnobody> k
[05:12] <eclipse> how come when someone sends me a message thru IM, the window doesn't flash?
[05:12] <mojo_> htpa7ia: done?
[05:12] <mojo_> htpa7ia: done?
[05:14] <tvon|x31> mojo_: is that theme different from the normal Industrial theme?
[05:14] <eclipse> how come when someone sends me a message thru IM, the window doesn't flash?
[05:14] <hypa7ia> mojo_: almost, i have a lot of torrents going :-)
[05:15] <mojo_> htpa7ia: yes it is, that's the newest Industrial theme for Novell Linux Desktop
[05:15] <mojo_> htpa7ia: it's not released to public yet
[05:15] <eclipse> how come when someone sends me a message thru IM, the window doesn't flash?
[05:16] <hypa7ia> mojo_: http://hypatia.ca/files/
[05:16] <eclipse> man gnome is great but some of the features that i really miss...thinking of switching to kde
[05:16] <VR^> if i order a cd today... how long does it take to arrive? approximately.
[05:16] <{Fah-Q}> hello. Any opinions on jfs vs xfs?
[05:17] <crack> hey guys
[05:17] <thaytan> hi all
[05:17] <mojo_> eclipse: GNOME is growing slower than KDE but it will catch up soon
[05:17] <crack> i cant hear any music off of xmms
[05:17] <tvon|x31> GNOME is largely growing in a different direction
[05:17] <mojo_> eclipse: the point is GTK is not commercial tool orginally like Qt
[05:17] <tvon|x31> eclipse: IM windows don't flash in gnome
[05:17] <mojo_> eclipse: there is a plugin for it think
[05:17] <eclipse> tvon|x31. nope
[05:18] <eclipse> it sux
[05:18] <FTTP> trinitroglyceren
[05:18] <FTTP> POOF
[05:18] <crack> thoreauputic, i cant hear anything out of xmms
[05:18] <thaytan> crack: which output is it using? alsa or oss
[05:18] <thaytan> ?
[05:18] <FTTP> i thought this was a home distro
[05:18] <crack> um
[05:18] <crack> not sure
[05:18] <FTTP> the screensavers are geeky :)
[05:18] <eclipse> when i'm browsing the web and someone sends me a message i don't even know it
[05:18] <crack> how do i tell?
[05:18] <thaytan> crack: any errors?
[05:18] <FTTP> it was showing molecules
[05:18] <crack> no errors
[05:18] <crack> just no sound
[05:18] <crack> its weird
[05:18] <tvon|x31> eclipse: I know nothing about Gaim, but in Gossip it plays a sound when you get a new IM
[05:19] <Xtreme___> whats that command to add root user, i cant login to gnome/x as root, but i can "su" because i already set root password... some obscure command along the lines of gdeconfig or seomthiung liek that, anyone remember ?
[05:19] <tvon|x31> and a * appears in the titlebar of the chat window (eg, it shows up in the panel)
[05:19] <crack> i got it
[05:19] <thoreauputic> FTTP: well, you have a wide choice - just run xscreensaver-demo from a terminal to see..
[05:19] <tvon|x31> if its a new conversation, an icon flashes in the notification area
[05:19] <crack> thaytan, i got it bud
[05:19] <mojo_> eclipse: go to Desktop Pref > Sounds
[05:19] <crack> thanks
[05:19] <{Fah-Q}> thoreauputic: indeed.
[05:19] <crack> stupid me
[05:19] <tvon|x31> eclipse: I believe Gaim has a plugin or setting that will cause an icon to flash in the notification area when you get a new IM
[05:19] <eclipse> tvon|x31, yes it does play sound but no flashing when someone sends a message:(
[05:19] <crack> thoreauputic, i figured out the way to add songs from my winxp disk
[05:19] <mojo_> htpa7ia: thank
[05:19] <mojo_> htpa7ia: thankx
[05:20] <thaytan> crack: what was it?
[05:20] <crack> the song
[05:20] <crack> lol
[05:20] <hypa7ia> glad to help mojo_
[05:20] <eclipse> tvon|x31, see if u could find one
[05:20] <crack> what an idiot
[05:20] <thaytan> crack: heh
[05:20] <crack> thanks thay
[05:20] <hypa7ia> i'll leave it there till the deb comes out, would you mind sending me a memo if it does?
[05:20] <thoreauputic> eclipse: well, choose another IM client then, if you don't like it - have a search in synaptic
[05:21] <eclipse> how i think i'm switching to kde cause it has way more features and a lot more stable than gnome
[05:21] <crack> does anyone know how to add skins to xmms and to gnome?
[05:21] <eclipse> oops, typo:)
[05:21] <thaytan> I'm seeing some weirdness in x.org since an upgrade last night
[05:21] <thoreauputic> eclipse: whatever you prefer :)
[05:21] <thaytan> really jerky cpu usage, and random pauses of the mouse and video output
[05:22] <eclipse> thoreauputic, can u install kde in ubuntu?
[05:22] <eclipse> cause when i apt-get install kde it doesn't work
[05:22] <thaytan> anyone else seen similar? radeon (9000M) hardware
[05:22] <thoreauputic> eclipse: yes, just add the repos in synaptic (universe I expect)
[05:22] <tvon|x31> thaytan: do you have composite enabled?
[05:23] <thaytan> tvon|x31: nope
[05:23] <tvon|x31> ah
[05:23] <eclipse> i did that already
[05:23] <crack> whats the command for screenshot?
[05:23] <thaytan> running an strace it's constantly running select on its file handles and getting back 'ERESTARTNOHAND'
[05:23] <thoreauputic> eclipse: try sudo apt-get install kde-core and build from there, then
[05:23] <eclipse> it says that kdea-addons and kde-utils r broken or something
[05:23] <tvon|x31> crack: "import -window root somefile.png" is one
[05:24] <eclipse> ok, let me try that
[05:24] <crack> eclipse, kde works just open up all of your repositories and do sudo apt-install kde
[05:24] <thoreauputic> tvon|x31: assuming you have the imagemagick suite installed
[05:24] <crack> actually
[05:24] <tvon|x31> thoreauputic: yes
[05:25] <crack> the exact cmd is sudo apt-get install kde
[05:25] <hypa7ia> mojo_:i'll leave it there till the deb comes out, would you mind sending me a memo if it does?
[05:25] <eclipse> crack i typed apt-get install kde-core and now it's downloading tons of file so i guess it's working
[05:26] <fubarpa> I'm using KDE here without a problem
[05:26] <crack> core?
[05:26] <Gnobody> does anybody have beagle???
[05:26] <crack> weird
[05:26] <eclipse> by the way, thoreauputic, thnx for showing me that
[05:26] <crack> i just did it last night and just used kde
[05:26] <crack> i just had to open up my repositories
[05:26] <crack> to all
[05:26] <thoreauputic> crack: no, not weird - just that kde-core is a subset of kde
[05:26] <eclipse> crack, so kde is much more stable right?
[05:26] <crack> tvon|x31, i did that now where is it?
[05:26] <crack> well
[05:26] <crack> kde is just as stable
[05:27] <crack> just has a better looking gui for people
[05:27] <crack> and it tends to hog more mem
[05:27] <crack> thats all
[05:27] <gen> like crack would know, he doesn't even know how to install it.
[05:27] <eclipse> i know
[05:27] <crack> excuse me gen?
[05:27] <crack> i spent hours last night learning
[05:27] <eclipse> that's the only reason i don't like kde
[05:27] <Gwildor> fighjt fight fight
[05:27] <crack> hours
[05:27] <tvon|x31> crack: wherever you ran the command is where the image would be
[05:27] <crack> kk
[05:27] <Xtreme___> (it ended up being #gdmconfig, btw)
[05:28] <tvon|x31> crack: if you are using gnome you should be able to just hit 'print screen' for a screenie btw
[05:28] <crack> gen, so i would appreciate it if you kept your opinion on my knowledge to yourself
[05:28] <gen> fuck off
[05:28] <tvon|x31> though mine has been broken in ubuntu
[05:28] <crack> wow
[05:28] <eclipse> i've used kde for a while now so i feel it has way more features than gnome
[05:28] <thoreauputic> cragen,crack,  elsewhere please
[05:28] <crack> i didnt do anything
[05:28] <crack> anyways
[05:29] <Gwildor> if i install kde, then decide i dont want it, is ther a fast/easy way to remove all of the K stuff?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> soory I meant gen
[05:29] <crack> yes
[05:29] <crack> when you sign in, click session
[05:29] <crack> then change the window manager
[05:29] <crack> to whatever you want
[05:29] <Gwildor> crack, read the post
[05:29] <tvon|x31> crack: that changes what gets used, it does not "remove" anything
[05:29] <eclipse> Gwildor, i think just log in with gnome or w/out DM and apt-get remove kde
[05:29] <crack> no
[05:29] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: Not really
[05:29] <crack> you dont want to remove it
[05:29] <Gwildor> crack, REMOVE all of the K stuff
[05:30] <crack> why?
[05:30] <crack> what if i want to use it later
[05:30] <crack> for a diff flavor?
[05:30] <Gwildor> tvon|x31, thats what i thought, kde, then all of the K stuff manually
[05:30] <Gwildor> crack, stop
[05:30] <{Fah-Q}> ubuntu uses the new debian installer right?
[05:30] <eclipse> hey i just got this message:
[05:30] <eclipse> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:30] <eclipse>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:30] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: pretty much, yeah.  You should record what it pulls down though when you install it
[05:30] <thoreauputic> {Fah-Q}: yes
[05:30] <eclipse> what should i do now?
[05:30] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: eg, "apt-get install -uV kde > kdestuff.txt" if you follow me
[05:30] <{Fah-Q}> 'k, thanks
[05:31] <tvon|x31> er, the -V is excessive
[05:31] <crack> why should i stop?
[05:31] <{Fah-Q}> had to pass a bunch of boot args to get it to install.
[05:31] <Gwildor> tvon|x31, im just not gonna install it, i dont really like it, but i figured id give it another shot, but i dont want all that extra K stuff lying around
[05:31] <eclipse> can someone help me?
[05:32] <Gwildor> eclipse, ask away
[05:32] <thoreauputic> eclipse: sounds like you don't have a full set of repositories
[05:32] <crack> meh
[05:32] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: Yeah, I tried it on a box for kicks and wound up wishing I hadnt
[05:32] <eclipse> so what should i do?
[05:32] <Gwildor> eclipse, sorry, didnt know it was old question
[05:32] <thoreauputic> eclipse: doesn't do any harm to enable multiverse and universe
[05:32] <tvon|x31> Alright, I need to get to 7-11 before it closes
[05:33] <Gwildor> tvon|x31, where are you at 7-11 here is 24/7
[05:33] <eclipse> ok i'll try that now
[05:33] <{Fah-Q}> universe is a snapshot of sid, right?
[05:33] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: I'm in Baltimore MD, 2 blocks away from the ONLY non-24-hour 7-11 I've EVER heard of
[05:33] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: its very annoying :)
[05:33] <Gwildor> tvon|x31, rofl, that sucks
[05:33] <jdz`> {Fah-Q}: Yes
[05:33] <thoreauputic> {Fah-Q}: IIRC it's a snapshot of sid from a while back, essentially, yeah
[05:33] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: its a big tease
[05:33] <fubarpa> a 7-11 that closes... isn't that a sign of the apocolypse?
[05:34] <tvon|x31> Alright, I'm out
[05:34] <Gwildor> tvon|x31, laters
[05:34] <{Fah-Q}> thoreauputic: good. Then I wont have to build clisp myself :)
[05:34] <eclipse> it says i have 2 broken packages
[05:34] <tvon|x31> Gwildor: later, good luck
[05:35] <eclipse> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:35] <eclipse>   kdebase: Depends: kcontrol (>= 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2) but it is not installable
[05:35] <eclipse>   konqueror: Depends: kcontrol but it is not installable
[05:35] <thoreauputic> eclipse: have you read the synaptic howto on the wiki? have you read the FAQ?
[05:36] <eclipse> see, i guess i can't install kde in my system
[05:36] <thoreauputic> eclipse: you are missing stuff
[05:36] <thoreauputic> eclipse: others have had no problem installing kde
[05:36] <eclipse> but it won't let me install kcontrol
[05:36] <hacked``> guys
[05:36] <fubarpa> eclipse: I installed KDE without an issue
[05:37] <eclipse> let me try again
[05:37] <hacked``> i just installed ubuntu, and it didnt detect my wireless card (cisco aironet) what am i supposed to do now?
[05:37] <thoreauputic> eclipse: because it can't find what it's looking for to resolve the dependencies
[05:37] <hacked``> does that mean im screwed guys
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[05:37] <kalle_> hacked: install windows
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> ... actually no :)
[05:37] <kalle_> :)
[05:37] <HrdwrBoB> hacked``: we can help you
[05:37] <eclipse> fubarpa, how did u do it?
[05:38] <eclipse> fubarpa, can u tell me the command that u typed?
[05:38] <hacked``> kalle, i dont use windows
[05:38] <kalle_> im kidding
[05:38] <hacked``> HrdweBob, problem is, i dont think cisco has a driver out for 2.6.9
[05:38] <kalle_> modprobe the aironet module
[05:39] <HrdwrBoB> hacked``: um as far as I'm aware it's open source?
[05:39] <kalle_> then iwpriw list
[05:39] <thoreauputic> eclipse: the command is not the problem: your configuration of repositories is foobared somehow
[05:39] <thoreauputic> that
[05:39] <thoreauputic> oops
[05:39] <thoreauputic> eclipse: that's why I suggested you read the stuff on the ubuntu site
[05:39] <hacked``> HrdwrBob, gonna try to locate the driver
[05:40] <eclipse> thoreauputic, can u send me ur rep. file?
[05:40] <Gnobody> how do I round the edges of the gnome panel???
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> with 'file'
[05:40] <HrdwrBoB> ho ho
[05:40] <thoreauputic> eclipse: pointless because mine is totally different and designed for debian sarge
[05:40] <fubarpa> eclipse: uncomment the Universe repository, then apt-get install kde
[05:41] <eclipse> ok
[05:41] <kalle_> i cant get my airport running in mac-on-linux
[05:41] <kalle_> :(
[05:41] <eclipse> i'll do that now
[05:41] <eclipse> thanx fubarpa
[05:41] <Majestic|Linux> why ubuntu doesnt include programs like knppix does or mandrake and stuff?
[05:42] <Majestic|Linux> its so small
[05:42] <eclipse> fubarpa, after that what is the command to install kde?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Majestic|Linux: erm... that's the beauty of apt-get and synaptic
[05:42] <fubarpa> apt-get install kde should install everything for you
[05:42] <Gwildor> sudo apt-get install kde
[05:42] <eclipse> ok
[05:42] <fubarpa> err yeah, forgot the sudo heh
[05:43] <Gwildor> :)
[05:43] <Majestic|Linux> How do you work with synaptic? isnt it better to include them :)
[05:44] <Majestic|Linux> anyone here running a slower pc than me because my ubuntu is slow celeron 634mhz 256mb sdram
[05:44] <fubarpa> quick question for someone: Where can I copy fonts from my Windows partition so that Ubuntu will pic them up
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Majestic|Linux: well, it's an automatic download and install system
[05:44] <eclipse> fubarpa, r u running warty or hoary?
[05:44] <fubarpa> hoary
[05:45] <eclipse> ok
[05:46] <eclipse> ok here's the output
[05:46] <eclipse> Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:46] <eclipse> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:46] <eclipse> is only available from another source
[05:46] <eclipse> E: Package kde has no installation candidate
[05:46] <fubarpa> oh yeah
[05:46] <Gwildor> eclipse, what kinda compy you got
[05:46] <fubarpa> sudo apt-get update
[05:46] <Gwildor> ppc, 64 bit?
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> compy 386
[05:46] <eclipse> amd
[05:46] <eclipse> nah, it's amd athlon xp
[05:46] <fubarpa> eclipse: after you enable the universe repository, you need to do a sudo apt-get update
[05:47] <Gwildor> fubarpa, ahh, forgot to update
[05:47] <Gwildor> fubarpa, silly us
[05:47] <eclipse> furbarpa, i thought u said to disable universe
[05:47] <fubarpa> Gwildor: yeah, I forgot that the first time around when I went to install
[05:47] <fubarpa> eclipse: no, you need ot enable it
[05:47] <Majestic|Linux> Ubuntu is for fast computers right
[05:48] <eclipse> ok
[05:48] <Gwildor> Majestic|Linux, twil run on slower, but if it is tankish, go with xfce4, or fluxbox, instead of gnome
[05:49] <fubarpa> Now comes the fun part...  Ubuntu's going on my laptop heh
[05:49] <hacked``> guys, how can i view .wmv files embedded in web pages
[05:51] <Majestic|Linux> I run KDE on Yoper, Libranet, Mepis, Knoppix and is fast. I run gnome on them too is fast, I run any window manager is fast, yea Fluxbox is fast on Ubuntu, but KDE and Gnome are slow =\
[05:51] <eclipse> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[05:51] <eclipse>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[05:51] <eclipse> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:51] <eclipse> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:51] <eclipse>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:51] <eclipse> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:51] <eclipse> this is messed up man
[05:51] <fubarpa> eclipse: yeah, that is kinda odd
[05:52] <eclipse> u know what i'm gonna delete the cache dir
[05:52] <thoreauputic> eclipse: I have no idea what you've done, but it looks terminal
[05:52] <eclipse> maybe something is wrong with the cache
[05:52] <fubarpa> Majestic|Linux: I've run KDE on Gentoo, Mandrake and Fedora Core.  I can't really see a difference here :)
[05:53] <eclipse> is it save to delete /var/cache?
[05:53] <Majestic|Linux> how fast is your pc
[05:53] <hacked``> 1.6ghz
[05:53] <thoreauputic> eclipse: NO
[05:53] <eclipse> no?
[05:53] <Majestic|Linux> not you hacked
[05:54] <eclipse> just cache dir, not var
[05:54] <Majestic|Linux> mines a celeron 634mhz (linux box) , athlon xp-m 2800+ for xp since im a newbie in linux
[05:54] <fubarpa> Majestic|Linux: I've got an AthlonXP 2000+ box
[05:54] <Majestic|Linux> exactly
[05:54] <Majestic|Linux> is fast for you
[05:54] <Majestic|Linux> but im talking for slow pc
[05:54] <Majestic|Linux> ubuntu aint good
[05:54] <thoreauputic> eclipse: look, if you delete apt's cache you will toally break the system
[05:54] <hacked``> sorry, got cut off guys, how can i view embedded .wmv's ?
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> Majestic|Linux: it should be fine
[05:55] <Majestic|Linux> hmm
[05:55] <Majestic|Linux> thanks brb
[05:55] <gen> whats the difference between apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:55] <thoreauputic> eclipse: it has files that are crucial
[05:55] <eclipse> i see
[05:55] <thaytan> gen: upgrade will not install new packages, it will only upgrade what it can
[05:55] <thaytan> dist-upgrade will drag in new packages if needed to satisfy a dependency
[05:55] <gen> thaytan: thanks
[05:56] <eclipse> how come xchat in gnome doesn't flash when someone types my name when i'm using a different window?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> eclipse: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html for info on apt
[05:56] <eclipse> i know it flashes in Win and KDE
[05:56] <billytwowilly> can anyone recommend some good answering machine software? web based would be better
[05:57] <eclipse> thnx thoreauputic for the info
[05:57] <ficusplanet> Is there a deb I can install to get imap support in PHP?
[05:57] <gen> be back in a sec
[05:58] <Rotund> question... Why isn't the gnome-system-tools services portion in ubuntu?  Is there another way to modify what starts up?
[05:59] <hacked``> guys
[05:59] <hacked``> the cisco driver for my wireless card says it works for 2.4.xx, but i have 2.6.xx kernel, will it run at all?
[05:59] <hacked``> i have cisco aironet
[06:01] <sm> it 2.4 supported it, 2.6 probably will too
[06:01] <thoreauputic> Rotund: have you tried apt-cache search gnome-system-tools ? and you have all apt repositories enabled?
[06:03] <Rotund> it says it'll install it in the description, but the package didn't actually include it
[06:04] <f00f> hello :)
[06:04] <Rotund> only time, users, and network
[06:04] <f00f> what kernel version for 4.10?
[06:05] <Rotund> 2.6.8.1
[06:05] <FTTP> bah
[06:05] <FTTP> evolution 2.0 doesnt work in hoary
[06:05] <FTTP> i didnt notice that till now
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[06:05] <gen> fttp: works for me
[06:06] <FTTP> gen:  It says failed to execute child process
[06:06] <eclipse> damn...gnome just crashed on me
[06:06] <gen> very odd
[06:06] <gen> 2.1.0?
[06:06] <FTTP> gen:  its the icon on the top which is bad
[06:06] <f00f> 2.6 hopefully
[06:06] <f00f> :)
[06:06] <FTTP> gen:  It works from regular manu bar
[06:06] <Gmail> it also doesn't work for me
[06:06] <FTTP> weird
[06:06] <gen> fttp: yea that happens often
[06:06] <FTTP> gen:  Ill report it as bug
[06:07] <gen> good idea
[06:07] <eclipse> how come when gnome crashed on me, my xmms was still playing streaming audio?
[06:07] <Gmail> it works for me
[06:07] <Gmail> sorry
[06:07] <f00f> hmm
[06:07] <Gmail> i needed to change the link in /usr/bin
[06:07] <eclipse> but i couldn't move the mouse or do alt-contrl-f1
[06:08] <gen> sounds like a hardware issue
[06:08] <eclipse> maybe it's not compatible with my cpu or motherboard
[06:08] <thoreauputic> eclipse: that wasn't gnome, that was something freezing the X server
[06:08] <eclipse> sure?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> sounds like an X crash or some app chewing all the resources
[06:09] <eclipse> maybe i had RenderAccel "on" in XF86Config-4 file?
[06:10] <eclipse> but it was running fine for like a few hours
[06:10] <George^Deka> does anyone know where ubuntu installs gnome ?
[06:10] <f00f> hmm
[06:10] <f00f> slow server
[06:10] <f00f> :)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> George^Deka: gnome isn't in one place - it's a set of things in a lot of differnet places :)
[06:11] <thoreauputic> *different
[06:12] <George^Deka> thoreauputic: but what is its prefix ? /usr ?
[06:12] <FTTP> ubuntu has some rough edges
[06:12] <f00f> hmm.. does this distro have net install?
[06:13] <George^Deka> f00f: i think there is a way, check the wiki in the howto section
[06:13] <FTTP> for 1st release, its basically a debian with gnome and nice desktop/splashscreens
[06:13] <thoreauputic> George^Deka: if you mean the command executed to start gnome, it's /usr/bin/gnome-session
[06:13] <eclipse> honestly, my windows server 2003 is wicked stable it never crashed on me since i installed it like over a year ago
[06:13] <George^Deka> thoreauputic: thanks, think that means prefix is /usr
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> su: Authentication failure
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> Sorry.
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> majestic@ubuntu:~ $
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> I'm getting that error
[06:14] <Rob|Linux> after I go into console type su, my password
[06:14] <Rob|Linux> and I went into kpackage too and tried to update and error
[06:14] <jdz`> Rob|Linux: Don't use "su" -- use "sudo"
[06:14] <jdz`> Rob|Linux: Ubuntu has the Root account disabled by default
[06:14] <Rob|Linux> sudo then what?
[06:14] <Rob|Linux> oh wow
[06:14] <Rob|Linux> i use to do it fine
[06:14] <f00f> 0.0
[06:14] <Rob|Linux> earlier
[06:15] <Rob|Linux> I was fine earlier =\
[06:15] <jdz`> Eh..
[06:15] <f00f> hehe.. tonight M$ gets kicked out of my house totally
[06:15] <FTTP> doh
[06:15] <FTTP> icon is mispointed
[06:15] <albertito> Hi! I've just installed Ubuntu and I've got one quick question: how do I add a new language so I can login with it?
[06:15] <f00f> my mum is switching to ubuntu
[06:15] <FTTP> the filename is evolution 2.2
[06:15] <f00f> :D
[06:15] <jdz`> Just type "sudo" then te command you want to use.
[06:15] <FTTP> i just redirected the icon
[06:15] <FTTP> and now it works
[06:15] <FTTP> gonna update bug
[06:16] <Rotund> is there a packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[06:16] <jdz`> Rotund: No, not yet at least.
[06:16] <Rotund> they need one
[06:16] <FTTP> evolution is so awesome
[06:16] <FTTP> evolution is better than outlook express
[06:16] <FTTP> its better than outlook PERIOD :)
[06:16] <jdz`> Rotund: Ubuntu-Universe is a snapshot of Debian-Sid from a few months ago, so it should have all the same packages.
[06:16] <Rob|Linux> usage: sudo -V | -h | -L | -l | -v | -k | -K | [-H]  [-P]  [-S]  [-b]  [-p prompt] 
[06:16] <Rob|Linux>             [-u username/#uid]  -s | <command>
[06:16] <f00f> its better
[06:16] <f00f> :)
[06:17] <hacked``> guys, is there any way i can downgrade my kernel from 2.6.9 to 2.4.xx
[06:17] <FTTP> jdz:  Is ubuntu based on 100% debian code?
[06:17] <f00f> i still use ol text based pine
[06:17] <FTTP> jdz:  I mean did they add any of their own code?
[06:17] <FTTP> jdz:  other than the splashscreens
[06:17] <jdz`> FTTP: No, they have added some of their own.
[06:18] <FTTP> jdz such as?
[06:18] <jdz`> FTTP: For example, Debian-Sarge and Ubuntu-Warty were frozen at about the same time.  Warty have gnome 2.8, while Sarge has 2.6
[06:18] <f00f> :D
[06:18] <FTTP> jdz: no i mean other than newer apps
[06:19] <FTTP> jdz:  I mean like original code
[06:19] <FTTP> not apps
[06:19] <jdz`> FTTP: Whole new applications?  No, I do not believe so.
[06:19] <Rotund> could someone w/ hoary tell me what the /usr/bin programs are on its version of gnome-system-tools
[06:19] <hacked``> guys, is there a download site where i can download the install cd for ubuntu 2.4.x
[06:19] <jdz`> FTTP: Besides, I believe if Ubuntu developed anything new, it would be commited upstream to Debian too
[06:19] <FTTP> jdz:  So its really just newer packages with splashscreens?  or are the splashscreens other than the logos the same in debian?
[06:20] <FTTP> jdz:  I never tried debian so i dont know
[06:20] <jdz`> FTTP: A lot of things are modified in Ubuntu.  But it's all based on Debian.
[06:20] <FTTP> jdz right, what did they modify?
[06:21] <jdz`> FTTP: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[06:21] <BrittBS> so i no longer have /dev/dsp on my desktop ... any ideas?
[06:21] <thoreauputic> FTTP: Debian splashscreens? Heh -  I think Debianistas would turn up their noses at splash screens, by and large :)
[06:21] <jdz`> FTTP: I'm no expert here.  I believe the Ubuntu website (see the above link) will explain better.
[06:21] <thaytan> BrittBS: oss modules are not loaded
[06:21] <thaytan> you should have /dev/snd/pcm* instead, from ALSA
[06:22] <hacked``> guys, is there a download site where i can download the install cd for ubuntu 2.4.x
[06:22] <FTTP> thoreauputic ok so thats a ubuntu thing
[06:22] <FTTP> theres 1 :P
[06:22] <jdz`> hacked``: Have you apt-cache searched for a 2.4 kernel?
[06:23] <jdz`> hacked``: Be warned though that a 2.4 kernel will break some things, for example, udev
[06:23] <thoreauputic> FTTP: if jdub was around he would know - he's here but I haven't seen him say anything for a while...
[06:23] <Rotund> A friend of mine is using a PRISM2 card.  It ends up being autodetected in the startup.  It even works a couple times after that.  The issue is that it stops working after a couple reboots!
[06:23] <thoreauputic> FTTP: he might be AFK
[06:23] <Rotund> any ideas?
[06:23] <thaytan> thoreauputic: I think his fiance slaughtered him for his last blog entry ;)
[06:24] <mdz> hacked``: there is no Ubuntu 2.4.x, only Ubuntu 4.10
[06:24] <thoreauputic> thaytan: heh... link?? ;)
[06:24] <jdz`> mdz: I believe he means a 2.4 kernel for Ubuntu
[06:24] <thaytan> thoreauputic: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/2004/11/12/
[06:25] <thoreauputic> thaytan: thanks :)
[06:25] <mdz> in that case, there are unsupported packages in universe
[06:25] <mdz> which deserve a more forceful caveat than universe typically does
[06:26] <thoreauputic> thaytan: Oh dear....
[06:26] <thoreauputic> thaytan: oops,  ;)
[06:27] <hacked``> guys
[06:27] <hacked``> i meant ubuntu with 2.4 kernel
[06:27] <hacked``> is it possible or not
[06:27] <jdz`> planet.ubuntu.org seems to be broken:  it's only showing Tollef Fog Heen's entries, and they are all dated for november 15th.
[06:28] <jdz`> hacked``: it may be possible, however, is unsuported and things will break (such as udev).  only try it if your adventerous.
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> or
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> if you're adventurous
[06:28] <jdz`> pardon me :)
[06:28] <FTTP> jdz the yellow stars in about ubuntu has to do
[06:28] <Ruffian|Q|> hey all
[06:28] <Ruffian|Q|> hi Bob2
[06:28] <FTTP> all the icons are nice except that one
[06:29] <FTTP> err i mean go, not do :P
[06:29] <jdz`> FTTP: *laughs*  You could make another icon and sugest it on the mailing-list :)
[06:30] <Rob|Linux> why when I'm in gnome, and i go to root terminal everything is fine, and why earlier i was doing su, pass and now i cant?
[06:30] <Rob|Linux> sudo doesnt work
[06:30] <Ruffian|Q|> hi Rob|Linux
[06:30] <Rob|Linux> Hi
[06:30] <FTTP> jdz:  the yellow is hard on the eyes
[06:30] <FTTP> jdz:  It needs something softer :)
[06:30] <Ruffian|Q|> Rob|Linux type Sudo, then the password of the user you are currently on
[06:30] <thoreauputic> Rob|Linux: have you messed with changing your user or something similar?
[06:31] <jdz`> Rob|Linux: You should learn how to use sudo. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:31] <Rob|Linux> no i havent
[06:32] <FTTP> jdz:  Wow, they used stars for many of the about icons :P
[06:32] <FTTP> heh
[06:33] <Rob|Linux> i typed sudo my password and i dont see root
[06:33] <thoreauputic> Rob|Linux: you added a root user, or not? There isn't one by default, so I can't imagine how su could work without some modification on your part?
[06:33] <Rob|Linux> no i didnt
[06:33] <jdz`> Rob|Linux: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo --- Read that. *grins*
[06:33] <Rob|Linux> when i first installed ubuntu earlier it worked not now though
[06:33] <Rob|Linux> Ruffian, check libra
[06:34] <Llamabutcher> hey guys, can ubuntu read ntfs ?
[06:34] <jdz`> FTTP: I never realy noticed the stars much. Interesting :)
[06:35] <Rob|Linux> sudo -s
[06:35] <Rob|Linux> thats the thing there
[06:35] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[06:37] <FTTP> jdz doesnt it look out of place tho?
[06:38] <FTTP> jdz:  All the other icons are really nice
[06:38] <Llamabutcher> jdz, whats with that step 4 on that guide?
[06:38] <FTTP> jdz:  I cant find any REAL BUGS yet :)
[06:38] <FTTP> and thats a good thing
[06:38] <FTTP> no crashes or anything
[06:38] <FTTP> im fooling around with everything
[06:38] <FTTP> the help section is messed up but thats not a real bug
[06:38] <jdz`> FTTP: *grins*  I still think you should try and make a new icon and submit it if you don't like this on :)
[06:39] <jdz`> FTTP: Might be a good way to contribute.
[06:39] <FTTP> jdz i stink at icons
[06:39] <FTTP> i dont know what would be good there, just know the yellow is too bright :)
[06:40] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: Fstab is a file located at `/etc/fstab'
[06:41] <FTTP> jdz ok
[06:41] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: You'll want to edit it like this: `sudo <editor> /etc/fstab', where <editor> is your favorite text editor :)
[06:41] <FTTP> jdz:  Im looking for REAL BUGS
[06:41] <FTTP> cant find any :)
[06:41] <jdz`> FTTP: thats a Good Thing :)
[06:41] <FTTP> even other linux distros have crashed on me and they were final releases
[06:41] <FTTP> this is hordy
[06:41] <FTTP> or whatever its called
[06:42] <FTTP> and is only development
[06:42] <FTTP> amazing :)
[06:42] <FTTP> im really impressed actually
[06:42] <jdz`> Me too :)  I'm very happy with Ubuntu
[06:42] <FTTP> jdz i guess the yellow icon is a gnome thing
[06:43] <FTTP> i reported it as a trivial bug tho heh
[06:45] <Llamabutcher> jdz, i know how to edit stuff, im saying the actual line i have to type, im not understanding what it is saying on the guide
[06:46] <Llamabutcher> er wait, nm
[06:46] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: Ok. :)
[06:48] <Llamabutcher> jdz, do i have to reboot?
[06:48] <joejiang_> hello, anyone know how to disable serial port to make iobase conflict with irda resolved?
[06:49] <Llamabutcher> i added /dev/hdc1 /mnt/winxp ntfs defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[06:49] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: I don't believe so, simply logging out and back in should do it. :)
[06:49] <Llamabutcher> does that look right?
[06:49] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: Is your windows drive /dev/hdc1?
[06:49] <Lathiat> joejiang_: apt-get install setserial; setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none
[06:49] <Lathiat> joejiang_: assuming its ttyS1
[06:49] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: That would be the 3rd IDE drive, 1st partition
[06:50] <joejiang_> thanks, let me try
[06:51] <joejiang_> dpkg-reconfigure works with setserial?
[06:51] <Llamabutcher> i have it on my secondary as master, 2nd partition on that drive
[06:52] <Llamabutcher> oh wait, taht would be hdc2
[06:52] <Llamabutcher> my bad
[06:52] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: Log out and back in then, and give it a try :)
[06:53] <Llamabutcher> cool
[06:53] <Llamabutcher> thx
[06:53] <jdz`> Llamabutcher: good luck! :)
[06:53] <Tomcat_> This channel is nuts.
[06:53] <joejiang_> thanks, only want to know i have set serial disable in thinkpad BIOS, while it do make it on
[06:53] <joejiang_> that's strange matter
[06:53] <Tomcat_> No matter what time I come in, there's at least 3 people talking and more than 1 screen per 10 minutes of text :)
[06:55] <idge> I am new to IRC....
[06:55] <jdz`> idge: Welcome! :)
[06:55] <idge> hello!
[06:56] <idge> I have used ICQ and Y! and the like
[06:56] <idge> but never IRC
[06:56] <idge> what am i doing here?
[06:56] <pepsi> talking
[06:56] <thoreauputic> idge: we all ask that question... ;)
[06:56] <idge> haha
[06:57] <idge> well....i was looking for help with my computer
[06:57] <idge> whenever i try to set the res to 1024X768
[06:57] <idge> the scren kinda flickers whenever i move the mouse
[06:57] <idge> any ideas?
[06:58] <idge> i tried the "xresprobe" thing....to no avail
[06:59] <thoreauputic> idge: maybe a bit more detail, like what video card, what sort of machine, how much video memory, has this happened before...
[07:00] <idge> oh sorry..well...i know this card will support 1024x768 because it did it in Win 2000
[07:01] <idge> this card is old....but it should do 1024x768
[07:01] <joejiang_> maybe it's frequency
[07:01] <idge> that is what i thought
[07:01] <thoreauputic> "kinda flickers" doesn't tell us much, though... although as a technical term it's one of the better ones *grin*
[07:01] <joejiang_> such as 80HZ
[07:01] <idge> but it will not allow me to change to anything other than 60
[07:01] <thoreauputic> ah
[07:02] <thoreauputic> idge: are you comfortable on the command line?
[07:02] <idge> well....i can set the res to 1024x768....and it looks good...until i move the mouse...then slight horizontal lines appear as the mouse moves
[07:02] <idge> cmd line....sure!
[07:03] <thoreauputic> idge: you could try :  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:03] <gen> whats a command line :)
[07:03] <gen> :)
[07:03] <idge> ah....
[07:03] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:03] <idge> what is sudo?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> sudo gives you administration rights (like root)
[07:04] <idge> ah
[07:04] <idge> how does one access sudo
[07:04] <gen> you type it..
[07:04] <idge> i can bring up the root terminal :)
[07:04] <Pyguy> sudo command
[07:04] <thoreauputic> just type the command
[07:04] <idge> oh ok
[07:05] <thoreauputic> it will ask you for your password
[07:05] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[07:05] <Pyguy> Just use your password, root doesn't seem to have one
[07:06] <Llamabutcher> hey guys, i tried to edit my /etc/apt/sources.list and i cant download anything now from apt-get
[07:06] <Pyguy> Have you updated?
[07:06] <thoreauputic> Llamabutcher: run sudo apt-get update
[07:07] <Llamabutcher> thoreauputic, i cant becuase my sourceslist is all fucked up
[07:07] <Llamabutcher> i deleted all of it
[07:07] <gen> haha
[07:07] <Llamabutcher> i need to copy paste exactly what should be in there
[07:07] <thoreauputic> Llamabutcher: hmm
[07:08] <Llamabutcher> can i do that w/out installing ubuntu again?
[07:08] <thoreauputic> Llamabutcher: sure - maybe someone can send you their /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:08] <Llamabutcher> could you send me yours? in a pm?
[07:08] <Llamabutcher> or email or something
[07:08] <gen> most of ours aren't default
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Llamabutcher: I can't because I'm on debian sarge currently
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Llamabutcher: mine has other stuff in it
[07:09] <Llamabutcher> hrm
[07:10] <Pyguy> Is there any way to disable Natulis in spatial mode?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Llamabutcher: it's too late now, but next time you edit a file, make a back up copy
[07:11] <Pyguy> Nvm, I think I may have found something on Google
[07:11] <TonyW> how to auto identify?
[07:13] <thoreauputic> TonyW: auto identify for what??
[07:13] <socomm> TonyW: what client are you using?
[07:14] <TonyW> i dunno it said to autoidentiy...
[07:14] <TonyW> whats a client?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> TonyW: what IRC program are you running?
[07:14] <TonyW> ummm called, X-Chat?
[07:14] <socomm> TonyW: a program that is used to communicate with servers.
[07:15] <TonyW> ya X-Chat
[07:15] <Chibi> theoreauputic- ever thought of versioning him? :P
[07:16] <Llamabutcher> can someone send me their /etc/apt/sources.list?
[07:16] <Chibi> Why, Llama?
[07:16] <thoreauputic> Chibi: yes, but I rarely do it (habit - a lot of people get cross when you ctcp them)
[07:16] <socomm> To autuo identify, click X-Chat->Server list->scroll to freenode->edit and add your nick+password.
[07:17] <Chibi> Mine has some magic repositories of death on it D:
[07:17] <TonyW> WTF are you guys all nerds or what the fuck???
[07:17] <Chibi> YES!
[07:17] <TonyW> what the hell is this crap
[07:17] <Chibi> Using Linux makes you a nerd!
[07:17] <thoreauputic> TonyW: err... did you want help?
[07:17] <seth_> lol
[07:18] <TonyW> no we use linux so we dont get viruses
[07:18] <TonyW> I'm just bored
[07:18] <billytwowilly> ;)
[07:18] <Chibi> Hehe, I'm a kendo student myself, billy :P
[07:18] <Se7h> msg NickServ IDENTIFY wiTched
[07:18] <Se7h> :|
[07:18] <billytwowilly> heh. So I take away your stick and you are defenseless;)
[07:19] <Chibi> Oops.
[07:19] <thoreauputic> Se7h: time to change your password
[07:19] <thoreauputic> :)
[07:19] <Se7h> done
[07:19] <Se7h> ;P
[07:19] <thoreauputic> heheh
[07:19] <socomm> I'm not a nerd :^/.
[07:19] <billytwowilly> darn. He changed his password...
[07:20] <Se7h> i finaly discovered what
[07:20] <thoreauputic> socomm: you're in denial - you're on IRC, therefore you are a nerd ;)
[07:20] <Se7h> ./setup.sh: line 88: /home/seth/.setup9072: Permission denied
[07:20] <Se7h> The setup program seems to have failed on x86/glibc-2.1
[07:20] <Se7h> is
[07:20] <TonyW> what? you guys sit here and try to hack eachother or somethingholy crap I gotta get the fuck outa here
[07:20] <socomm> No I'm not!
[07:20] <Se7h> i had to run it on root terminal
[07:20] <billytwowilly> hey, can anyone recommend a good web based answering machine program? I remember an awesome one, but I can't remember what it's called and freshmeat and google are being useless
[07:21] <thoreauputic> TonyW: too late, U h4v3 b33n 0wned ;-)
[07:21] <TonyW> K nerds heres a question, why can't I use applet games and chat with linux??
[07:21] <Lathiat> TonyW: you have to install java probably, i think theres something about that in the FAQ
[07:22] <socomm> TonyW: everything is possible in this world, though not probable.
[07:22] <TonyW> ??
[07:23] <ComCtrl6> java should've been included in ubuntu's repositories.
[07:23] <ComCtrl6> just a suggestion. :)
[07:24] <thoreauputic> ComCtrl6: licensing issues
[07:24] <socomm> Java is evil/bloated/ghey
[07:24] <TonyW> repositories?
[07:24] <Rotund> ComCtrl6: It's not in Debian's.  It's a license thing.  Somewhat stemming back from Sun stealing Blackdown
[07:24] <Adrenal> whenever itryo watch a movie in mplayer i get this error saying somethig abo als control, fliceringon off like a freaking jack russell
[07:24] <socomm> TonyW: software repositories.
[07:25] <thoreauputic> TonyW: are you in culture shock?
[07:25] <ComCtrl6> serious, why does sun do this? what is wroing with those guys? just release the darn thing and let everyone use it. geez
[07:25] <dle> Wow, the tone of this channel has really deteriorated.
[07:25] <TonyW> quite
[07:25] <Adrenal> i think its a codec problem, what codecs packs should i install to watch media formats?
[07:25] <thoreauputic> oops sorry adrenal
[07:26] <Adrenal> /dev/mixer error
[07:26] <Adrenal> when i try to access /dev/moxer
[07:26] <Adrenal> it says the file is corrupt or something
[07:26] <Adrenal> so what i was thinking
[07:26] <Adrenal> someone send me theres
[07:26] <Adrenal> i log into root
[07:26] <TonyW> getting java
[07:26] <Adrenal> replace the old with the new
[07:27] <TonyW> for linux!
[07:27] <ComCtrl6> you know, one thing i absolutly love about Ubuntu is that i was able to get the i8k (dell fan utility thingy) to work. that is all it takes for me to convert.
[07:27] <TonyW> dont any of you have girlfriends or anything?
[07:27] <socomm> Adrenal: huh?
[07:27] <Adrenal> /dev/mixer is corrupt on my install
[07:27] <TonyW> G-I-R-L-F-R-I-E-N-D-S
[07:27] <Adrenal> can someone send me their /dev/mixer?
[07:28] <thoreauputic> TonyW: nah, we're all gay and ugly ;)
[07:28] <socomm> Adrenal: /dev/mixer is a device, not a configuration file.
[07:28] <Adrenal> l-i-nu-x?
[07:28] <Adrenal> ok
[07:28] <Adrenal> well, it be broke
[07:28] <Tyche> hello
[07:28] <ComCtrl6> hi
[07:28] <Tyche> anyone install phpwiki before?
[07:28] <Adrenal> can i reinstall it through synaptic
[07:28] <socomm> Adrenal: I could send you mine, but the sound would come out on my speakers not yours.
[07:28] <ComCtrl6> lol
[07:28] <ComCtrl6> good one
[07:28] <Adrenal> lol
[07:28] <Adrenal> ok
[07:29] <Adrenal> can i reinstall it through synaptic then?
[07:29] <ComCtrl6> i guess
[07:30] <socomm> Adrenal: install what?
[07:30] <Adrenal> mixer the app
[07:30] <Adrenal> nope
[07:30] <Adrenal> not on there
[07:31] <socomm> Adrenal: no your kernel detects your audio card on boot and assigns it the name /dev/dsp /dev/mixer just adjust your audio cards volumes
[07:31] <Adrenal> how?
[07:32] <gen> magic
[07:32] <socomm> Adrenal: try running `aumix' if it doesn't work something is wrong with your audio configuration.
[07:32] <Adrenal> in linux volume applet on the panel
[07:32] <TonyW> if it said it was self extracting do I need to install it?
[07:32] <Adrenal> or some 1337 way?
[07:32] <gen> i vote 1337
[07:32] <socomm> Adrenal: hardware probe.
[07:32] <Adrenal> socomm, no such caommand found
[07:33] <socomm> `sudo apt-get install aumix'
[07:35] <Adrenal> kk
[07:35] <Adrenal> installed
[07:35] <Adrenal> but u sure its just the sound level?
[07:36] <socomm> Adrenal: most apps use /dev/dsp for audio output, if that works you should be fine.
[07:37] <Adrenal> but this was referring directly to mixer
[07:37] <Adrenal> and when i try to launch it
[07:37] <Adrenal> i get an error saying the program be broke
[07:37] <socomm> does aumix work?
[07:37] <Se7h> is there a way to free some ram ?
[07:37] <socomm> What's the exact error it spits out?
[07:38] <socomm> Se7h: kill some daemons.
[07:38] <socomm> Se7h: you could probably kills cupsd,postfix, etc ...
[07:38] <Adrenal> There was an error launching the application
[07:38] <Adrenal> couldn't display /dev/mixer
[07:39] <Adrenal> and i don't think its audio
[07:39] <Adrenal> cos xmms works fine
[07:39] <Jaramin> Anyone here knows if it's possible to connect with VNC to the login prompt? The "Remote Desktop" is set right, but I canonly use it once logged in...
[07:39] <socomm> Adrenal: run `alsamixer'
[07:39] <aran> anyone running Evolution 2.1.0 and have an IMAP email account?
[07:39] <Adrenal> kk
[07:39] <Adrenal> black screen, looks like a dos app
[07:39] <gen> dos lol
[07:40] <socomm> Adrenal: use it to adjust your volume levels there.
[07:40] <Se7h> its not possible im running out of 512MB ddr
[07:40] <Adrenal> but they seem fine
[07:41] <socomm> Adrenal: than what's the problem.
[07:41] <Adrenal> i wish i knew
[07:42] <socomm> ....
[07:42] <Adrenal> avi's won't launch
[07:42] <Adrenal> as i said
[07:42] <Adrenal> i think it is a problem with mixer
[07:42] <Adrenal> that is
[07:42] <Adrenal> i think the install is corrupt
[07:42] <socomm> Adrenal: no, have you installed the appropriate codecs?
[07:43] <Adrenal> which codecs should i install?
[07:43] <socomm> Adrenal: try installing mplayer, if you like I can link you to my mplayer tutorial.
[07:43] <KneelBeforeXorg> the win32 codec set
[07:43] <Adrenal> yeh
[07:43] <Adrenal> got those
[07:43] <socomm> Adrenal: or search, the wiki for mplayer + win32 codecs.
[07:43] <Adrenal> i already have them install
[07:44] <Adrenal> reinstalling now
[07:44] <Adrenal> FFS
[07:45] <socomm> KneelBeforeXorg: shouldn't it be `r0b0t luvz j00'?
[07:46] <KneelBeforeXorg> socomm: do not condescend to tell me about the love of r0b0t
[07:46] <Adrenal> still not working, could it just be a bad install?
[07:46] <Adrenal> but its weird, cos before i reinstalled, movie playing was screwing up too
[07:47] <Adrenal> it was like the movie was in the head
[07:47] <Adrenal> but something was beating the shit out of the body
[07:47] <socomm> Adrenal: which media player are you running?
[07:47] <Adrenal> mplayer
[07:47] <Llamabutcher> hey guys, im trying to mount my ntfs drive so i can copy some files. I have tried gediting my /etc/fstab with several different lines that ive found in guides but none of them are working
[07:47] <socomm> does it complain about the audio card?
[07:48] <Adrenal> no
[07:48] <Llamabutcher> i dont even want to mount it permanently, just for a few hours anyways, is there some way to just temp mount it?
[07:48] <Llamabutcher> without editing the fstab?
[07:48] <Adrenal> it just bitches about /dev/mixer
[07:48] <socomm> chmod 777 /dev/dsp
[07:48] <aran> is anyone running hoary
[07:48] <Adrenal> which is what lead me to believe a faulty install was at work here
[07:48] <socomm> That's what I do for my younger brothers login to play audio.
[07:49] <Adrenal> this sin't audio
[07:49] <Adrenal> this only affects video
[07:49] <socomm> Adrenal: just try it.
[07:49] <Adrenal> all mp3s and cound files work fine
[07:49] <Adrenal> kk
[07:49] <Adrenal> ...how?
[07:49] <socomm> Adrenal: at the command line `chmod 777 /dev/dsp'
[07:50] <socomm> Adrenal: does mplayer play audio at all?
[07:50] <Adrenal> never tried
[07:50] <KneelBeforeXorg> the love of r0b0t is a love socomm will never know.
[07:51] <Adrenal> no luck
[07:51] <socomm> r0b0tz aint my thing, sorry.
[07:51] <Tyche> Alright who needs help...I'm here to help!
[07:51] <KneelBeforeXorg> 2003
[07:51] <socomm> Adrenal: needs help.
[07:52] <Tyche> Is it help I can offer? =)
[07:52] <Adrenal> ok, it plays audio fine
[07:52] <Adrenal> but, as expected, no window
[07:52] <KneelBeforeXorg> just keep telling yourself that, socomm
[07:52] <socomm> Adrenal: try video now.
[07:52] <Adrenal> same error
[07:52] <socomm> Adrenal: also you may want to give mplayer the suid key.
[07:53] <Tyche> How do you do emotes?
[07:53] <Adrenal> i'll try formatting my /nix partition, cos that will sure as shit get rid of any faulty install, and right now, cbf playing around
[07:53] <socomm> `chmod +s /usr/bin/mplayer'
[07:53] <socomm> Hell, I'm going to sleep.
[07:54] <nab_> hello
[07:54] <Tyche> Hello nab_
[07:55] <nab_> i remember a taskmanager program to come up when i presses strg+esc (uding suse), is there such a thing for ubuntu as well?
[07:57] <ernie> hey guys, im trying the hoary release on my system and cant seem to get the locales worked out, i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales and only enabled UTF-8, i still get locale errors anytime i do anything, but everything seems to run ok, should i be concerned?
[07:58] <stuNNed> ernie, i had probs with realplayer10 and the new hoary locales, not sure if that was why it wouldn't run
[07:59] <Tyche> ernie: Do you still have warty in the repositories?
[07:59] <Tyche> ernie: and did you reload once you had hoary added?
[07:59] <ernie> no warty in reps
[07:59] <geoffj> hello all
[07:59] <nab_> oh i solved it myself :)
[07:59] <ernie> Tyche -yes i did
[08:00] <Tyche> ernie: not sure, I had some issues earlier, but that was because I had warty also.
[08:00] <geoffj> does anyone know why the wiki recommends purging fam when upgrading to hoary?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> geoffj: I seem to recal there's a replacement ( gamin? )
[08:01] <thoreauputic> *recall
[08:01] <geoffj> thoreauputic, thanks
[08:01] <the_grey_ghost> I seem to have given up. Is there a way of configuring a serial mouse at all in linux?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: sure - it's a question of mouse protocols
[08:02] <Magna> Its my first time. just loaded ubuntu. Downloaded firefox 1.0. How do I uninstall .9?
[08:02] <JDahl> the_grey_ghost, normally it should just work...
[08:03] <JDahl> the_grey_ghost, you dont need to do anything special... what error message does X give you?
[08:03] <the_grey_ghost> JDahl Trust me it does not. I can access most of the menus rather well
[08:03] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: you can try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( I think it asks you about your mouse)
[08:03] <the_grey_ghost> Thoreauputic Do you know where I can change these protocols?
[08:04] <thoreauputic> I just gave you a command to try :)
[08:04] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:04] <the_grey_ghost> Thoreauputic ok ill give it a go
[08:04] <thoreauputic> assuming this is warty not hoary
[08:05] <Magna> I didn't think hoary was out yet?
[08:05] <Magna> Its warty
[08:05] <thoreauputic> Magna: not officially - it's the development version
[08:05] <ernie> its unofficially released for beta testing
[08:05] <the_grey_ghost> thoreauputic - thanks i only saw your post after I pressed enter. Yes it is warty
[08:05] <nab_> Can someone tell me how to start a certain program (system-monitor) by hotkey?
[08:07] <the_grey_ghost> Theoreauputic I know this sounds rediculus but could you post that again. I cannot scroll up
[08:08] <the_grey_ghost> I have to try and write it down and then open terminal and try it.
[08:08] <the_grey_ghost> Cause terminal goes straight over the xchat window
[08:08] <Magna> How does one "uninstall" a program in ubuntu? In what directory are these programs?
[08:09] <the_grey_ghost> ok wait I wokred how to scroll up it's ok
[08:09] <nab_> Magna, you have no control over the installation, thats one thing i hate about linux install
[08:10] <ernie> use synaptic to add/rem progs
[08:10] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: heh - you capitalised my nick and it didn't highlight so I missed it - sorry
[08:10] <KneelBeforeXorg> Magna: the programs install pieces in appropriate locations.
[08:11] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: just use the scrollbar on the right :)
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Magna: either unistall through synaptic or use   sudo apt-get remove <packagename> in a terminal
[08:12] <Magna> OK
[08:12] <nab_> hey you guys, anyone know about the hotkey problem? i wanna add a new hotkey thats runs a certain command
[08:12] <KneelBeforeXorg> Magna: google for "filesystem hierarchy standard" to understand what goes where
[08:13] <thoreauputic> nab_: it isn't strictly true that you have no control over installs - it's just more complicated to control if you want to
[08:14] <Magna> I am new to Linux and ubuntu. There seems to be alot of docs and manuals and howtos. Could someone please suggest a good manual for me to learn the basics of this?
[08:15] <thoreauputic> Magna: the basics of Ubuntu are pretty well covered on the site http://www.ubuntulinux.org/  - do you want a guide to linux in general? (command etc?)
[08:16] <Magna> Yes please.
[08:16] <thoreauputic> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html  for an intro to commands
[08:16] <thoreauputic> Magna: ^^^
[08:17] <Magna> Thanks for that info.
[08:17] <weasello> any P2p programs that work well with ubuntu?
[08:17] <thoreauputic> Magna: be aware that ubuntu uses sudo instead of su ( there's no root user by default in Ubuntu)
[08:18] <Magna> Okay.
[08:19] <nab_> uhm... is anyone using VLC (videolan) ?
[08:20] <nab_> im getting the ugliest interface ive ever seen. its in win3.1 style. i installed the gnome and gtk frontends, but they nearly look the same
[08:20] <the_grey_ghost> thoreauputic finally got into the server configuration
[08:20] <the_grey_ghost> the options that it presents do not say Serial mouse
[08:20] <the_grey_ghost> they say dev/ttys0-s3 I think
[08:20] <the_grey_ghost> Are these com ports?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: hmm... I know it's a protocol thing. Can't remember the right one though..
[08:21] <thoreauputic> yes they are "com" ports
[08:21] <thoreauputic> com1 is ttyS0  com2 is ttyS1 and so on
[08:22] <the_grey_ghost> ok ill take a stab. i guess that atibm isn't it?
[08:22] <weasello> Is there any P2P programs at all for debian?
[08:23] <weasello> er, gnome I should say
[08:23] <nab_> i think amule and xmule
[08:23] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: you might ask in #debian what the right mouse protocol is for your serial mouse - but don't mention Ubuntu unless you are wearing your flame-proof underwear ;)
[08:25] <the_grey_ghost> thoeeauputic ok thanks mate ill give it a try
[08:25] <George^Deka> weasello: try gift, you will need giftd and one of the gui's such as giftui or gifttoxic
[08:40] <thoreauputic> the_grey_ghost: if you are having prolems reading the document you were pointed to in #debian, try the command   zless  zless /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz
[08:40] <thoreauputic> rats he left
[08:42] <wfx> good moring :-)
[08:43] <joolz> wfx: bad spelling :-)
[08:43] <wfx> joolz, is my fist coffe :-)
[08:44] <thoreauputic> joolz: how peddantic ov u ! ;-)
[08:44] <joolz> wow! be a bit kind to me, over here it's morning too :-)
[08:45] <thoreauputic> :)
[08:45] <wfx> ;-)
[08:45] <joolz> :-)
[08:46] <joolz> well, this has all the signs of becoming a fruitful and prodictive day :-)
[08:46] <joolz> productive
[08:46] <thoreauputic> heheh
[08:47] <thoreauputic> brb
[08:49] <wfx> in 1 day, 12 hours receive bonobo 7737 messages (~718 kB)....
[08:50] <thoreauputic> bonobo: wfx
[08:50] <thoreauputic> ?
[08:50] <wfx> :) it is to mutch to say
[08:52] <thoreauputic> wfx: did bob2 get access to bonobo? He was asking about it...
[08:53] <wfx> he ask me?
[08:54] <thoreauputic> I thought it was your bot?
[08:56] <wfx> bob2, i hear you want access to bonobo
[08:58] <thoreauputic> wfx: I don't think he's here (grayed out in xchat user list, anyway)
[08:59] <wfx> thoreauputic, tell bob2, she need only to register
[09:00] <thoreauputic> wfx: and how is that done? Is there a command or something you can give?
[09:01] <jladage> hi all
[09:02] <jladage> could somebody explain to me how changing the locale works
[09:03] <jladage> my locale currently says en_US
[09:03] <jladage> But I'd like to change this to en_EN.ISO8859-1
[09:03] <wfx> give me one sec.
[09:04] <Treenaks> jladage: you probably want en_GB.UTF-8
[09:04] <jladage> Even more strange is that python comes up with en_NL as locale
[09:04] <Treenaks> jladage: en_EN is nothing
[09:04] <Treenaks> jladage: come to #ubuntu-nl -- I can help you in Dutch there :)
[09:04] <jladage> great
[09:06] <wfx> i think it is: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:06] <wfx> or edit /etc/environment
[09:06] <wfx> first trick should it make system wide
[09:07] <Treenaks> wfx: both.. I'm helping him on the dutch channel :)
[09:07] <wfx> ok
[09:08] <thoreauputic> there's also a package called localeconf (never used it, but might be worth a look)
[09:09] <wfx> hmmm, a choice for ubuntu? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/11/msg00161.html
[09:11] <thoreauputic> wfx: interesting
[09:17] <wfx> thoreauputic, hmmm, and for desktop the fedora tools :-)
[09:20] <wfx> thoreauputic, or vi ;-)
[09:28] <stuNNed> is there a gtk2 version of yast?
[09:29] <Treenaks> who would want yast?
[09:29] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahahaha
[09:29] <KneelBeforeXorg> YaST!
[09:29] <Treenaks> yast is a stinking ball of drool
[09:29] <KneelBeforeXorg> it's also proprietary software
[09:29] <KneelBeforeXorg> man
[09:29] <KneelBeforeXorg> I used to work at SuSE
[09:29] <stuNNed> KneelBeforeXorg, it's free now afaik
[09:29] <KneelBeforeXorg> haha
[09:29] <Treenaks> KneelBeforeXorg: I use suse at work.. it's hell!
[09:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahaha
[09:30] <wfx> yast is gpl
[09:31] <Treenaks> wfx: yast embodies what I hate about rpm-based distros: if you modify your configuration without using the supplied tool (say, using vim), you're SOL and everything breaks
[09:32] <wood1> What is the difference between VIM and VI ?
[09:32] <wfx> Treenaks, i dont know a lot about yast (last i see was with suse 4.2) maybe it is not a good choice.
[09:32] <wfx> vi is the original
[09:32] <wfx> vim is the clone with more feature
[09:32] <Treenaks> vim is "vi im"proved
[09:33] <wfx> yea
[09:33] <wood1> Can I remove VIM and just keep VI ?
[09:34] <wood1> My hard is only 2 GB. Which packages can I safely remove ?
[09:34] <joolz> wood1: no, vi doesn't exist anymore. what you call vi is vim
[09:35] <wood1> OK I see
[09:35] <jdub> wood1: apt-get remove --purge vim nvi+
[09:35] <stuNNed> Treenaks, ah ok, thanks for the heads up, had no clue :|
[09:35] <jdub> wood1: also, type apt-get clean
[09:35] <wood1> What does apt-get clean do ?
[09:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> it cleans out the cache of downloaded packages
[09:36] <wfx> openoffice when you dont need it (abiword and gnumeric also fine)
[09:37] <jdub> wood1: clears out the cache of downloaded packages
[09:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: pants pants
[09:37] <maz1977> hi all
[09:37] <maz1977> qualche italiano?
[09:38] <wfx> cu, by, ... ;-)
[09:39] <maz1977> sorry I haven't read the last header about english
[09:39] <fabbione> maz1977: yes, but this is a english chan
[09:39] <maz1977> infact
[09:39] <fabbione> probably #ubuntu-it ?
[09:39] <maz1977> I have a question about mpeg layer..
[09:40] <fabbione> just ask... if somebody knows.. she/he will answer
[09:40] <maz1977> I'll try with my oltragious english...
[09:41] <maz1977> Is It possible that I can't see or play mpeg and mp3?
[09:41] <Treenaks> maz1977: yes
[09:41] <fabbione> yes
[09:41] <joolz> maz1977: yes
[09:41] <Treenaks> maz1977: look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:41] <maz1977> License problem?
[09:42] <Treenaks> btw, I can watch MPG now, but the colors seem wrong (RGB vs BGR?) and the right half of the screen is garbled -- this is a totem/gstreamer issue I think
[09:42] <KneelBeforeXorg> maz1977: close: patents
[09:43] <maz1977> ok, I'm reading the howto
[09:44] <maz1977> I modified /etc/apt/sources.list. Now I have to run apt-get gstreamer0.8-mad ? Right?
[09:45] <Treenaks> maz1977: it's all there..
[09:45] <iz> maz1977, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:46] <iz> maz1977, first apt-get update
[09:46] <maz1977> ok running. But I run before apt-get update
[09:46] <maz1977> ok
[09:46] <geoffj> evolution question: In debian on evolution 2.0.2 when I compose a letter and type in the to: field names are auto completed for however in ubuntu (warty or hoary) this is not working. Any clues?
[09:47] <Treenaks> geoffj: are the names in your address book?
[09:47] <geoffj> yep
[09:47] <Treenaks> geoffj: did you enable autocompletion in your preferences?
[09:47] <geoffj> double check
[09:48] <maz1977> but gstreamer0.8-mad is it a lib or a program? Does it Work with totem?
[09:48] <geoffj> Treenaks: oh how silly, missed that one
[09:49] <Treenaks> maz1977: gstreamer is a library used by totem and rhythmbox
[09:49] <Treenaks> maz1977: gstreamer0.8-mad is a plugin for gstreamer
[09:49] <Treenaks> maz1977: zo all gstreamer-using programs can use mp3s if you install it
[09:49] <geoffj> Treenaks: Must have come across automatically in debian on upgrade. My mother was asking about this when I upgraded her to ubuntu but I couldn't find it.  Thanks V much
[09:50] <maz1977> Ok, Totem and xmms work fine. Thanx!!
[09:51] <maz1977> can I ask about gnome? is it offtopic?
[09:52] <Treenaks> maz1977: just ask :)
[09:53] <maz1977> Ok. I wold like to add some links in Application\Internet. Where can I put the links?
[09:57] <geoffj> Is anyone else having trouble upgrade gnome-games, gnomemeeting in hoary? apt-get just sits there "[Waiting for headers] ". Most everything upgrades fine.
[09:57] <Treenaks> geoffj: waiting for headers -> network trouble
[09:58] <geoffj> Treenaks: yes but only on those packages other packages from same pool seem okay
[10:00] <Treenaks> geoffj: are you using a proxy?
[10:00] <geoffj> Treenaks: no
[10:00] <geoffj> Treenaks: well my provider might be
[10:01] <Treenaks> scary providers..
[10:02] <geoffj> Treenaks: When I try thorugh firefox it works okay
[10:02] <geoffj> Treenaks: downloading deb now
[10:03] <joolz> hm, i forgot... Where do I set the login photo?
[10:04] <Treenaks> joolz: login screen setup?
[10:04] <joolz> Treenaks: didn't find it there. let me look again...
[10:05] <geoffj> joolz: under computer->System config
[10:05] <Treenaks> joolz: it's in your personal settings menu .. not the global one ('login photo')
[10:07] <wood1> I have installed the KDE Window Manager but I I can't install Kconquer in Hoary.
[10:08] <bur[n] er> wood1: use debian sources?
[10:09] <wood1> burn[n] er, I don't understand? How do I use debian sources ?
[10:10] <geoffj> joolz: gdmphotsetup is the program name
[10:11] <geoffj> joolz: I can't find it under any menu :(
[10:11] <kos_> Hi all. Just installed Warty. Very smooth, good job.
[10:13] <wood1> I am having problems installing KDE's Konqerer
[10:13] <bur[n] er> wood1: if you don't know hwo to switch sources, you probably shouldn't
[10:13] <bur[n] er> it may introduce bugs
[10:13] <bur[n] er> wood1: apt-get install konqueror?
[10:13] <bur[n] er> that didn't work?
[10:13] <wood1> I have done that, Yeah, it did not work
[10:13] <bur[n] er> what it say?
[10:14] <bur[n] er> (side note: i'm using kanotix and kde)
[10:14] <wood1> Some errors indicating that Konquerer needs some other files
[10:14] <bur[n] er> oh?
[10:14] <wood1> I did apt-get install KDE
[10:14] <bur[n] er> get those files?
[10:14] <bur[n] er> do apt-get install konqueror
[10:14] <bur[n] er> and good luck
[10:14] <bur[n] er> i'm out
[10:15] <wood1> Everything is fine in KDE except Konqueror
[10:15] <Gmail> wood1: hoary?
[10:15] <wood1> OK, thanks for your help
[10:15] <bur[n] er> sorry man
[10:15] <bur[n] er> bed time
[10:15] <wood1> Good Night
[10:16] <Gmail> ??
[10:16] <wood1> Did anyone notice the difference between XFree86 and XOrg ?
[10:17] <wood1> after updating to Hoary from Warty ?
[10:17] <geoffj> wood1: no, did you?
[10:17] <wood1> Well, I also did not notice the difference too
[10:18] <wood1> By the way, how is the purpose of Gnome Pilot Settings in Evolution ?
[10:18] <chemaja> you expected user-visible changes?
[10:18] <wood1> Well I did
[10:18] <chemaja> not by default, at least
[10:19] <wood1> By the way, what does Gnome Pilot do ?
[10:19] <joolz> wood1: afaik it syncs palm and pc's
[10:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> wood1: kneel before Xorg!
[10:21] <wood1> you mean it's like Infra Red or something like that ?
[10:21] <Treenaks> wood1: or the cradle/cable
[10:21] <mjr> I noticed the absence of flashing artifacts in 3d apps, spesifically nwn, with X.org
[10:21] <wood1> KneelBeforeXorg, How do I get the benefits from using XOrg ?
[10:22] <Treenaks> wood1: install it :)
[10:22] <Treenaks> there really aren't much "real" benefits..
[10:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> wood1: step one: kneel.  step two: pay fealty.  step three: destroy superman for us.
[10:22] <wood1> Thanks Treenaks for the information for Gnome Pilot
[10:22] <Treenaks> (not ones that you can see, anyway)
[10:22] <maz1977> I would like to upgrade firefox to version 1.0. But if I run apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox dosn't nothig
[10:22] <Treenaks> maz1977: because there isn't a newer version in warty
[10:23] <Treenaks> maz1977: and you don't want to run hoary if you can't figure out how to upgrade to it yourself :)
[10:24] <wood1> When can we expect to get the update to Firefox 1.0 in Warty ?
[10:24] <Treenaks> wood1: never
[10:24] <Treenaks> wood1: it (or the next version..) will be in hoary
[10:24] <Treenaks> wood1: the idea of a "stable" release is that it doesn't change (well, it does, but only for security fixes)
[10:25] <wood1> Treenaks, it does not make sense
[10:25] <Treenaks> wood1: it's perfectly straightforward
[10:25] <wood1> So we have to wait for Firefox till March of 2004
[10:25] <geoffj> Treenaks: but doesn't fixfox 0.9 have a security hole?
[10:25] <Treenaks> wood1: Warty has been released. Packages don't change in it anymore.
[10:25] <Treenaks> geoffj: those have been patched in the ubuntu version
[10:25] <Treenaks> wood1: you can upgrade to hoary now, there just aren't any stability guarantees
[10:26] <geoffj> Treenaks: cool
[10:26] <Treenaks> wood1: and no support, of course
[10:26] <wood1> But when we do:   apt-get update, Firefox should also get updated, doesn't it ?
[10:26] <Treenaks> wood1: update = update package list, upgrade = upgrade packages
[10:26] <wood1> Well I have updated to Hoary on my other PC
[10:26] <wood1> But I am using Warty on this PC
[10:27] <Treenaks> wood1: but if there isn't a newer version available in warty (and there isn't) nothing will get upgraded
[10:27] <wood1> Then how do I update to Firefox 1.0 in Warty ?
[10:27] <Treenaks> wood1: you don't
[10:27] <geoffj> Treenaks: firefox about: version 1.0 on my box?
[10:28] <Treenaks> geoffj: repeat in English?
[10:28] <geoffj> I'm running firefox 1.0 in hoary
[10:28] <geoffj> Treenaks: oops you said warty
[10:28] <Treenaks> geoffj: yes, that works. but you can't have warty and firefox 1.0
[10:29] <wood1> Ok can anyone give me a guide to remove Firefox 0.93 in Warty and then download Firefox 1.0 and install it in Warty ?
[10:29] <Treenaks> wood1: there is no such guide
[10:29] <stuNNed> whoa new industrial theme is beautiful
[10:29] <geoffj> Treenaks: does ubuntu support apt-get -t option?
[10:29] <Treenaks> wood1: you can not upgrade to firefox 1.0 in warty. wait for hoary.
[10:30] <maz1977> sorry I don't understand. I have no problem to uninstall firefox package and build it from the source. I would like to know why apt-get dosn't work.
[10:30] <Treenaks> geoffj: yes, but you don't want to mix hoary and warty
[10:30] <Treenaks> maz1977: you don't want to build your own firefox. just keep using 0.9.3 until you know the system well enough, then upgrade to hoary
[10:30] <Treenaks> what's wrong with 0.9.3 ?
[10:31] <geoffj> Treenaks: good question :)
[10:31] <maz1977> but what is it hoary?
[10:31] <Treenaks> maz1977: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[10:32] <maz1977> for example the 1.0 have a wonderfool search tool.
[10:32] <wood1> The problem that I am having using Firefox 0.93 is that I can't get the Flash and Shockware player plugins to work while browsing some sites
[10:34] <Treenaks> wood1: install the flash player package
[10:34] <wood1> I have tried the settings in the Mozilla and Macromedia help site but it still does not work
[10:34] <kapnkrunch> how do i allow ftp?
[10:34] <Treenaks> wood1: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:34] <Treenaks> kapnkrunch: what do you mean?
[10:34] <kapnkrunch> Treenaks: like, allow people on my network to ftp to my computer
[10:34] <Treenaks> kapnkrunch: you can FTP to other sites using the file browser -> file -> new connection to server
[10:34] <Treenaks> kapnkrunch: install an FTP server using synaptic
[10:34] <stuNNed> Treenaks, should i stop biting my nails after installing Hoary on both laptop and pc? :D
[10:35] <kapnkrunch> Treenaks: it's not installed by default? wtf?
[10:35] <Treenaks> stuNNed: no, you should increase your biting frequency
[10:35] <stuNNed> Treenaks, LOL :)
[10:35] <Treenaks> kapnkrunch: by default all ports are closed. it's Ubuntu policy
[10:36] <kapnkrunch> Treenaks: i see. wut's a good ftp server to use?
[10:36] <Treenaks> kapnkrunch: don't know.. I haven't used ftp in ages..
[10:36] <kapnkrunch> Treenaks: or better yet... wut's the default on most linux boxes?
[10:36] <Treenaks> kapnkrunch: vsftpd or proftpd I _think_
[10:36] <crimsun> I recommend vs if you must have one
[10:37] <crimsun> sftp/scp are preferable
[10:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> rsync -azvP
[10:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> rsync -azvP -e ssh
[10:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> etc
[10:37] <azeem> so I mailed ubuntu-users but did get an 'awaiting moderater review' response and did not hear back yet. Anybody know whether and/or when posting get moderated or just dropped?
[10:38] <geoffj> kapnkrunch: ftpd I think is the default
[10:38] <opi> azeem: maybe you've posted from wrong (ie. not subscribed) account?
[10:39] <wood1> By the way, has anyone received the Official Warty CD ? What does it's cover look like ?
[10:39] <azeem> opi: indeed
[10:39] <opi> azeem: post it again, from correct one :>
[10:39] <kapnkrunch> geoffj: thanx. all i need now is a howto for getting ftpd up
[10:39] <opi> wood1: they are not yet released, iirc
[10:40] <azeem> opi: to be honest, I am not even subscribed. I just wanted to know whether my mail might get through eventually nevertheless
[10:40] <KneelBeforeXorg> wood1: they're about 5 1/4 inches in diameter, shiny on one side, and flat
[10:40] <geoffj> kapnkrunch: should start fine. If you want anon ftp then look at what Treenaks suggested
[10:40] <maz1977> wood1: about shockware. On my linux box works fine. What's your problem?
[10:41] <kapnkrunch> geoffj: worked :-D
[10:41] <opi> azeem: it won't be posted, I guess, untill you're not subscribed
[10:41] <wood1> I get the plugins not installed
[10:42] <wood1> I have tried downloading and installing the Flashplayer 7 but it does not work
[10:44] <wood1> By the way, where is the plugin's directory in Firefox ?
[10:44] <crimsun> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[10:44] <maz1977> wood1: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[10:46] <wood1> By the way, which directory do I install the Flash Player 7
[10:46] <maz1977> wood1: /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox
[10:47] <maz1977> wood1: are you running the flashplayer-installer as root?
[10:48] <wood1> Should I just download the generic FlashPlayer in .tar.gz format ?
[10:48] <wood1> Well I usually install applications as root
[10:49] <stvn> bonobo: flash wood1
[10:49] <bonobo> wood1: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:53] <Gmail> to ubuntu firefox team why not use this as the firefox icon http://iconpacks.mozdev.org/packs/firefox-experimental.html
[10:55] <free_> could you give me somebody a hint what to to with those pretty small menu-fonts in xmms, please?
[10:56] <noneus1st> free_, you have a small font in xmms menus? the gtk-menus?
[10:56] <free_> exactly
[10:56] <Treenaks> Gmail: license
[10:57] <noneus1st> then install gtk-theme-switch
[10:57] <Gmail> Treenaks: ask the person
[10:57] <noneus1st> you can setup the font there
[10:57] <free_> i've tried somehow, but didnt work :)
[10:57] <Gmail> Treenaks: if he gives it out for free he probbly will allow it to there by default
[10:59] <pao> hi all
[10:59] <Treenaks> Gmail: still, most icons have non-free licenses
[10:59] <pao> I'm trying to use aptitude in gnome-terminal...
[10:59] <Gmail> Treenaks: i said ASK
[10:59] <pao> I do I prevent gnome-terminal to intercept F10 keystroke?
[10:59] <free_> noneulst: thanks
[11:00] <Gmail> Treenaks: if he says not you can make a script easyly that download it installs it...
[11:00] <noneus1st> free_, it works?
[11:01] <azeem> pao: there's an option for that somewhere in g-t's preferences, IIRC
[11:02] <pao> azeem, thanks... it was in g-t profile management...
[11:02] <geoffj> pao Edit->keyboard short cuts
[11:02] <free_> noneuslst: it changes only the fonts of xmmms-front. still cant realize how to force menu fonts to be redable
[11:02] <pao> geoffj, thanks...
[11:03] <noneus1st> hmmm strange.
[11:03] <noneus1st> can you make a screenshot?
[11:06] <free_> noneuslst: well, not now. i've got to run away ... i'l try to do some woodoo there, anyway. thanks
[11:07] <newrehtse> hi
[11:08] <wood1> About the flash player 7 for Firefox, I have download the file and copied it in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox  directory ?
[11:08] <jml> are there guides available for installing ubuntu as a dual-boot os on a powerbook?
[11:09] <newrehtse> what kernel has ubuntu?
[11:09] <labanux> 2.6.8.1
[11:10] <wood1> What do I do now with the install_flashplayer.tar.gz file ?
[11:10] <newrehtse> ok thx!! :D my motherboard need that kernel :D
[11:10] <newrehtse> thank you  :)
[11:10] <labanux> wood1:extract the file
[11:10] <labanux> wood1:extract the install_flash ....
[11:11] <labanux> wood1: i think you don't need to do that
[11:11] <labanux> wood1: why don't you just use apt-get
[11:11] <wood1> I do that using the command:   tar -zxvf  filename    ??
[11:12] <wood1> What is the exact parameters using:   apt-get install ???? for flash Player ?
[11:13] <labanux> wood1: apt-get flashplugin-nonfree
[11:13] <labanux> wood1: at least it's work for me..
[11:13] <fabbione> apt-get install <pkgname>
[11:15] <noneus1st> grrr i hate ati. the flgrx-driver does not work with xorg 6.8.1
[11:15] <wood1> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree did not work. It says it can't find any package of that name
[11:16] <labanux> wood1: has you check the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:16] <wood1> I have not added: universe
[11:17] <stvn> you need universe
[11:17] <stvn> bonobo: universe wood1
[11:17] <bonobo> wood1: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[11:17] <cardador> wood1: while your are editing sources.list, add also multiverse
[11:18] <labanux> but i'm gonna live Ubuntu myself...
[11:18] <labanux> it's confusing using Ubuntu...
[11:18] <labanux> i'ev install GTK+ packages.., but even the header (gtk.h) is not exist in my system..
[11:18] <wood1> What is the difference between universe and multiverse ?
[11:19] <stvn> labanux: did you install the source packages?
[11:19] <stvn> bonobo: multiverse wood1
[11:19] <bonobo> wood1: Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"
[11:20] <stvn> wood1: universe is the rest of the debian archive (more or less) and multiverse is non-free software
[11:20] <geoffj> labanux: gtk.h is in libgtk2.0-dev
[11:21] <wood1> Hum I see
[11:22] <wood1> Which line do I add multiverse in the sources.list ?
[11:24] <stvn> wood1: see the url bonobo just gave
[11:25] <labanux> stvn: no.., i'm installing from the CD
[11:25] <labanux> geoffj: i've installed the library ..
[11:25] <stvn> labanux: why do you need a header file when installing from CD? (it's in -dev BTW)
[11:26] <geoffj> labanux: do you have /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h?
[11:26] <wood1> Can I just use some Editor to edit the sources.list or should I use Synaptic ?
[11:26] <labanux> stvn: i'm not installing package from the source.., but i'm gonna make some software using GTK+
[11:27] <stvn> wood1: both are possible
[11:27] <xukun> hi
[11:28] <stvn> labanux: ah ok, you'll need the -dev packages, geoffj said in which one it should be
[11:28] <labanux> stvn: i've install it... but it still doesn't work..
[11:28] <geoffj> labanux: what doesn't work?
[11:29] <labanux> geojeff:the header gtk.h still doesn't exist
[11:29] <labanux> geojeff: and it's happend to in qt3
[11:29] <geoffj> labanux: I've only got it installed on debian, I'll try under ubuntu
[11:30] <labanux> geojeff: i've install all package needed to develop using qt3..
[11:30] <wood1> Is there any alternative software to replace MS-Access ?
[11:30] <labanux> geojeff: then i use apt-get to install those package
[11:31] <labanux> geojeff: but , just like GTk, the Qt library heder doesn't exist...
[11:31] <labanux> another problem : my ubuntu can't shutdown
[11:31] <stvn> wood1: not as such, but there are a multitude of databases available
[11:32] <labanux> it always stalled at this point : acpi_power_down called
[11:32] <stvn> wood1: but AFAIK noone is compatible with MS access files
[11:32] <labanux> i've turned off the acpi deamon
[11:32] <labanux> by adding acpi=off to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:32] <geoffj> labanux: I just looked on the ubuntu CD and could not see libgtk2.0-dev. Did you get it off the net?
[11:33] <stvn> wood1: you could have a look at mergeant
[11:33] <joolz> stvn: http://www.dbforums.com/t844518.html
[11:34] <labanux> geojeff: wasn't it on /media/cdrom0/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0 ??
[11:35] <seb128> the -dev are not on the CD
[11:35] <labanux> heh?
[11:35] <stvn> labanux: you /need/ libgtk2.0-dev, I've got it installed and I've got gtk.h
[11:35] <geoffj> labanux: I can't see the -dev package there
[11:35] <stvn> joolz: ah, nice
[11:36] <stvn> wood1: see also the URL joolz just gave
[11:36] <geoffj> labanux: I think you'll need to get it off the net. You'll need to enable it in synaptic
[11:37] <labanux> oh..., i;m sorry , i think packages in /media/cdrom0/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0 is the same with libgtk2.0-dev
[11:38] <stvn> different name different package ;)
[11:38] <geoffj> labanux: Nope, by the looks of it the -dev package is not shipped on the CD
[11:38] <labanux> wait a minute..
[11:38] <labanux> how about gcc.., and g++ it was on the CD
[11:39] <wood1> It is
[11:39] <geoffj> labanux: yep, much more fundemental packages :)
[11:39] <stvn> labanux: enable universe and do sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[11:39] <Kamion> we have room for some basic development packages, but not for all useful *-dev
[11:39] <geoffj> labanux: gtk2.0-dev is in main so universe not need but probably good to enable anyway
[11:40] <maz1977> who can explain me how runlevel works on ubuntu?
[11:40] <stvn> Kamion: just add a zillion CDs with all possible useful packages
[11:40] <__daniel> hai
[11:40] <labanux> geojeff: what shoul i do to make all packages on the CD installed on my Ubuntu?
[11:40] <stvn> *hides*
[11:41] <Treenaks> labanux: you probably don't need _all_ of them
[11:42] <geoffj> labanux: I don't know. I would not recommend doing that; instead install package as you need them. Use the debian package search engine if you are looking for something in particular.
[11:43] <labanux> geojeff: I always do that (at least for this 2 weeks..) --> packages.debian.org
[11:43] <labanux> but sometimes i can't get what i'm looking for
[11:44] <geoffj> labanux: Well come and ask here in thoses cases :)
[11:45] <wood1> By the way, I have a friend using Ubuntu but his problem is that his internal modem does not work even though it is listed in Device Manager ?
[11:47] <labanux> ha.ha...., thanx a lot guys.., it's nice to have someone helping me like this
[11:47] <wood1> Any help or advice is appreciated
[11:47] <labanux> geojef: then how about the acpi?? my ubuntu can't shutdown..
[11:48] <wood1> why not use the command prompt to halt it ?
[11:48] <labanux> geojeff: i must "reboot" or "shutdown -r now" to come to grub command line, then run "halt -p"
[11:48] <labanux> wood1: halt -p <-- it doesn't work in my Ubuntu
[11:49] <Treenaks> shutdown -h now 'reason'
[11:49] <Treenaks> or press the power button
[11:49] <Treenaks> or select 'shutdown' in the logout window
[11:50] <labanux> Treenaks : all of that doesn't work..., and it has the same condition :
[11:50] <geoffj> labanux: do you that it does not power off automatically?
[11:50] <labanux> it always stalled at this point: "acpi_power_down called"
[11:51] <labanux> geojeff: yeh..
[11:51] <labanux> geojeff: yeah..
[11:51] <Treenaks> labanux: then your BIOS is broken, complain with your manufacturer
[11:51] <Kamion> stvn: one CD :-)
[11:51] <geoffj> labanux: maybe you need to enable something in your BIOS?
[11:52] <labanux> Treenaks: my BIOS is broken? But it works on Fedora, Madrake, and Suse..........
[11:52] <labanux> the problem was like this:
[11:52] <Treenaks> labanux: maybe they don't use ACPI
[11:52] <labanux> after the first time installing Ubuntu Linux it can shutdown well
[11:53] <labanux> but.., cause of some reason i 're-install' the Ubuntu
[11:53] <labanux> after this .., my Ubuntu can't shutdown normally...
[11:53] <wood1> Have you check the BIOS settings ?
[11:54] <wood1> What happens when you click the shutdown button ?
[11:54] <wood1> Any messages or nothing at all ?
[11:55] <labanux> wood1: there's message "md ....." i don't really remember..
[11:55] <labanux> but it's always stop at this message: acpi_power_down called
[11:55] <labanux> wood1: but it's always stop at this message: acpi_power_down called
[11:56] <labanux> Treenaks: i've turned off the ACPi by adding "acpi=off" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:56] <Treenaks> labanux: that explains it
[11:56] <Treenaks> labanux: don't do that
[11:57] <labanux> Treenaks : why.., even i don't do that the same thins still hapend...
[11:59] <labanux> Treenaks: so.., what should  I do with this..??
[11:59] <Treenaks> labanux: keep acpi enabled
[12:00] <Treenaks> labanux: it should really work then
[12:01] <wood1> By the way, I have a friend using Ubuntu but his problem is that his internal modem does not work even though it is listed in Device Manager ?
[12:02] <Treenaks> wood1: is it a PCI modem?
[12:03] <Treenaks> wood1: (it being listed does not mean a driver is available or the device is working.. it's just "detected")
[12:04] <Treenaks> wood1: still there?
[12:04] <labanux> Treenaks: i've ever enabled the acpi ..., but it's still happend
[12:05] <Treenaks> labanux: cat /proc/cmdline for me please
[12:05] <labanux> wait a minute
[12:05] <Treenaks> labanux: if it worked, and stopped working when you added acpi=off, then acpi=off is the problem
[12:05] <Treenaks> it's that easy
[12:06] <labanux> Treenaks : root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet splash
[12:06] <labanux> You have new mail in /var/mail/laban
[12:06] <maz1977> i need to install gcc-2.9.5. Can I use apt-get install gcc-2.9.5?
[12:06] <Treenaks> labanux: you have new mail :)
[12:07] <Treenaks> maz1977: gcc 2.95 is not supported in ubuntu
[12:07] <labanux> eh..., i'm soryy :D
[12:07] <Treenaks> maz1977: fix your program to be compatible with decent C standards
[12:07] <Treenaks> maz1977: and why do you need t?
[12:07] <maz1977> do tell you ti mr. Oracle?
[12:07] <labanux> Treenaks:
[12:07] <wood1> Treenaks: how do I get my friend's PCI Modem to work in Ubuntu ? Is there any chace to make it work ?
[12:07] <Treenaks> wood1: it really depends on the kind of modem it is
[12:08] <Treenaks> wood1: google for 'winmodem'
[12:08] <maz1977> Oracle 9i requires gcc 2.9.5
[12:08] <Treenaks> maz1977: 2.95/2.9.5 is not supported in ubuntu, because it's not really compatible with 3.3
[12:09] <labanux> Treenaks : root=/dev/hda8 ro quiet splash
[12:09] <Treenaks> labanux: ok that's good
[12:09] <labanux> Treenaks: Then what should I do?
[12:09] <labanux> heh/
[12:09] <Treenaks> labanux: press the power button :) see if it works
[12:09] <labanux> Treenaks: push the power button right now?? Are you sure?
[12:10] <maz1977> Treenaks: it's a problem for me... no workarounds?
[12:10] <Treenaks> labanux: type dmesg | grep -i acpi | less in a console (NOT /exec -o!)
[12:10] <Treenaks> maz1977: oracle is not supported by oracle on ubuntu either
[12:10] <Treenaks> maz1977: so switch to a supported distribution for yuor oracle server
[12:11] <Treenaks> maz1977: and if you still have a choice, switch to postgresql :)
[12:11] <maz1977> Treenaks: yes, neither on Fedora,RedHat9 or Mandrake. But it works
[12:12] <maz1977> Treenaks: 250 db installed. I need Oracle Client on my machine
[12:12] <Treenaks> maz1977: I can't help you.. I only use oracle at work and I hate it :)
[12:12] <Treenaks> maz1977: and it's being sysadminned for me.. so I don't have to worry about this..
[12:12] <Treenaks> maz1977: but you should ask oracle for a client...
[12:12] <cenerentola> is there any guide to bypass the error 21 that ubuntu live cd gives on some machines?
[12:13] <maz1977> Treenaks: i'll try to copy it from another machine
[12:13] <Treenaks> cenerentola: where does it give the error?
[12:13] <Treenaks> cenerentola: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2004-10/msg00043.html ?
[12:13] <wood1> HCF Rockwell PCI Modem belongs to which company ?
[12:14] <Treenaks> wood1: google says "Conexant"
[12:14] <cenerentola> treenaks: someone reported to me an error 21...
[12:14] <cenerentola> treenaks: during bootstrap... and i probably found i way out... is there the need for 1 how-to?
[12:14] <labanux> Treenaks : i've run  dmesg | grep -i acpi | less
[12:15] <Treenaks> labanux: and?
[12:15] <pepsi> im trying to use the parallel port, but i dont have a device file for it
[12:15] <Treenaks> pepsi: then your parallel port isn't detected
[12:15] <labanux> Treenaks: there's some message .., and i don't understand what it is... :(
[12:15] <pepsi> hrm
[12:15] <Treenaks> pepsi: try adding 'lp' to /etc/modules and then typing modprobe lp
[12:15] <labanux> Treenaks: should i send it to you?
[12:15] <Treenaks> labanux: use pastebin.com
[12:15] <labanux> heh?
[12:16] <Treenaks> labanux: www.pastebin.com
[12:16] <Treenaks> wood1: http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[12:16] <cenerentola> treenaks: u're a robot my friend
[12:16] <Treenaks> cenerentola: I am? :)
[12:17] <Treenaks> cenerentola: that would explain a lot of things ;)
[12:17] <pepsi> yay
[12:17] <pepsi> thx
[12:17] <Treenaks> pepsi: did that work?
[12:17] <cenerentola> you can give user-support to 10 person... at the same time... its like me, sexually speaking.. with girls: we're special...;)
[12:17] <pepsi> well i have /dev/lp0 now
[12:18] <labanux> Treenaks : http://pastebin.com/120287
[12:18] <Treenaks> labanux: yes, you can press your power button - it's been detected by the kernel
[12:18] <cenerentola> hey ppl i need to speak with mako... but it doesn answer... should i try with a nick like "Pamela" or sht?
[12:18] <cenerentola> ...s?th
[12:18] <Treenaks> labanux: it'll pass the event to a program and the nshut down cleanly
[12:19] <Treenaks> cenerentola: mail him
[12:19] <cenerentola> i did...
[12:19] <pepsi> hrm
[12:19] <Treenaks> pepsi: ?
[12:19] <pepsi> VMware told me that the use of /dev/lpN is deprecated and that it was going to try /dev/parport0, which doesnt exist
[12:19] <pepsi> can i just make a link?
[12:19] <pepsi> heh
[12:19] <cenerentola> hes trying to call me on my mobee... but sound gets weird over 8000 km
[12:20] <Treenaks> pepsi: oh you're running in vmware? then I don't know..
[12:20] <pepsi> no
[12:20] <pepsi> im running windows in vmware
[12:20] <Treenaks> pepsi: hm ok
[12:20] <Treenaks> pepsi: I don't know anything about vmware
[12:20] <pepsi> do you have /dev/parport*?
[12:20] <Treenaks> no
[12:20] <Treenaks> but then, I don't have parallel ports either
[12:21] <labanux> Treenaks :ok.., i'll try it
[12:23] <StarScream> hi guys, whats the BEST way to stop some of the startup scripts that i dont need from running.
[12:24] <Treenaks> StarScream: you need them
[12:24] <Treenaks> StarScream: otherwise, de-install the package
[12:24] <StarScream> k
[12:24] <stvn> pepsi: prallel port is not /dev/parport - since my printer is on the par port and works, but there's no /dev/parport here, i'll try and figure out which /dev it is instead
[12:25] <Treenaks> stvn: lp0
[12:25] <Treenaks> stvn: parport0 was temporary ?
[12:25] <StarScream> Treenaks, but like i dont want mysql to start,  but i still need the package (ocassionally)
[12:25] <Treenaks> StarScream: the server or the client?
[12:25] <StarScream> server
[12:25] <StarScream> same with httpd
[12:25] <stvn> Treenaks: guess so, lp0 is here at least
[12:25] <Treenaks> StarScream: just read the update-rc.d manpage
[12:25] <StarScream> thanks
[12:27] <pepsi> stvn, its probably /dev/lp0
[12:28] <pepsi> thats what i got too.. i made a symlink to /dev/parport0 cause vmware didnt like lp0
[12:28] <unikum> what does wiki mean? is it short for something?
[12:29] <labanux> i'm back.........
[12:29] <Kamion> unikum: Hawaiian for "quick", I believe
[12:29] <labanux> Treenaks : it doesn't work at all....
[12:30] <labanux> Treenaks : i dont' use acpi=off on grub/menu.lst
[12:30] <wood1> At home, I have to use the terminal with the "pon" command to connect to the Net using a modem. Is there any other alternatives ?
[12:30] <labanux> Treenaks: but it still happend.., it stop at this message : acpi_power-off called...
[12:30] <labanux> Treenaks: but it still happend.., it stop at this message : acpi_power_off called...
[12:30] <Kamion> unikum: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EtymologyOfWiki
[12:31] <pao> can anyone tell me what tag files are? where can I find some doc?
[12:31] <Treenaks> labanux: sorry, I don't know then
[12:31] <labanux> Treenaks: and it still can't shutdown..
[12:32] <labanux> but someone tell me possibly it's bug ..,
[12:32] <wood1> Is there any commands to get my modem to dial automatically ?
[12:32] <Kamion> pao: as in exuberant-ctags? install that package, read 'man ctags'
[12:33] <StarScream> wood1, usb or dial-up?
[12:33] <pao> Kamion, no... debian tag files... I think it has something to do with debian packages...
[12:33] <Kamion> oh, you mean debtags
[12:34] <Kamion> google for 'debtags'
[12:36] <pao> Kamion, I studying python-apt code... I see it handles tag files (it provides ability to parse them)... but it doesn't seem they are debtags... apt and debtags seem to be alternatives...
[12:40] <wood1> StarScream, it's dial-up
[12:41] <pao> /var/lib/dpkg/status is an example of tagfile... :-)
[12:42] <StarScream> wood1, hmm  when do you want it to connect? on boot or on login?
[12:42] <Kamion> pao: what apt calls tag files are totally different to what debtags calls tag files
[12:42] <Kamion> pao: debtags is not an alternative to apt
[12:43] <pao> Kamion, that's what I suspected....
[12:44] <wood1> after login
[12:44] <wood1> I connect using "pon"
[12:44] <pao> Kamion, are "apt tag files" used samewhereelse /var/lib/dpkg/status...
[12:44] <wood1> It gets connected and I can browse the Net
[12:44] <StarScream> wood1, you could make a small script and add it to yer gnome session?
[12:44] <wood1> But how do I see how long I have been online
[12:45] <wood1> Wow, StarScream, that would be great
[12:45] <wood1> Can I also specify a time period for the dial-up connection ?
[12:45] <StarScream> wood1, if your making a script you can do anything
[12:46] <StarScream> i think its in pppd options file...not sure though
[12:46] <StarScream> i've only just started using pppd
[12:46] <StarScream> i think wvdial may also be an idea
[12:46] <StarScream> lots of people prefer it
[12:47] <wood1> How do I see how long I have been online with my dial-up connection ?
[12:47] <Kamion> pao: I wouldn't worry about apt's tagfile structure if I were you, it's basically internal to apt and stuff that's directly using the apt libraries
[12:50] <unikum> how do i get javaplugin to firefox? I downloaded and installed j2re-1.4.2-rc1-linux-i586-gcc3.2.bin
[12:50] <Treenaks> bonobo: java
[12:50] <bonobo> : for java in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:50] <pepsi> Treenaks, i got it working
[12:50] <unikum> i have read it but it doesnt work
[12:50] <pepsi> i just had to mknod parport0
[12:51] <Treenaks> pepsi: it'll be gone on reboot...
[12:51] <pepsi> thats cool
[12:51] <pepsi> ill put it in a script later
[12:51] <wood1> Is there any commands to see how long my dial-up connection session has been on ?
[12:52] <cyrus-tc> bonobo, maxbuttons
[12:52] <pao> Kamion, thanks
[12:53] <Gecko> Hello, I noticed on my new ubuntu install, that you don't use the debian menu program, how do you recommend keeping the menus up to date?
[12:54] <unikum> nobody?
[01:03] <ploggin> hi
[01:03] <ploggin> can someone help me?
[01:03] <ploggin> i have firefox 0.9.3
[01:03] <ploggin> i want to upgrade it to 1.0
[01:03] <Treenaks> ploggin: you can't in warty.
[01:04] <ploggin> so, shall i just remove firefox 0.9.3 and then apt-get install firefox?
[01:04] <Treenaks> ploggin: no
[01:04] <ploggin> oh
[01:04] <ploggin> ok
[01:04] <Treenaks> ploggin: wait for hoary
[01:04] <ploggin> what is warty?
[01:04] <opi> *doh*
[01:04] <opi> it's a release of Ubuntu
[01:04] <ploggin> and horay?
[01:04] <opi> you can name it codename
[01:04] <Treenaks> ploggin: the current release.. it's Warty Warthog
[01:04] <opi> next release
[01:04] <Kamion> "hoary"
[01:04] <ploggin> ok
[01:05] <ploggin> thought the current release was just named 'ubuntu'
[01:05] <opi> it's distribution name
[01:05] <ploggin> and when is hoary coming out?
[01:05] <opi> read FAQ
[01:05] <ploggin> ok
[01:05] <ploggin> i will
[01:05] <opi> stable relases are released in 6 months
[01:06] <opi> but you can switch earlier, and run unstable version of Hoary
[01:11] <KneelBeforeXorg> hey, so why isn't there a "stable" alias for the current release version, the way debian does?
[01:11] <KneelBeforeXorg> why do we have to edit our sources.list files whenever you release?
[01:15] <unikum> i just d/l with synaptic. what button to hit after read the license? nothing happens with enter
[01:18] <unikum> i just d/l with synaptic. what button to hit after read the license? nothing happens with enter
[01:19] <opi> KneelBeforeXorg: it will be annouced
[01:19] <opi> KneelBeforeXorg: H. is unusable atm
[01:19] <KneelBeforeXorg> opi: that's not what I'm saying
[01:19] <KneelBeforeXorg> the point is that my sources.list explicitly say "warty"
[01:19] <KneelBeforeXorg> whereas on debian they just say "stable"
[01:19] <KneelBeforeXorg> which happens to be "woody" right now
[01:20] <opi> becaue it's not Debian?
[01:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> look
[01:20] <opi> you should ask developers, and Im not the one ;)
[01:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> I don't care what you call it
[01:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> but the idea is that I want to know that I'm pointed at the latest release, whatever that happens to be
[01:20] <ironwolf> kneelbeforexorg: you'll have to change warty to hoary when they release.  upgrade should be harmless. :)
[01:20] <Astharot> can someone help me with postfix ?
[01:20] <KneelBeforeXorg> ironwolf: I know this
[01:21] <KneelBeforeXorg> you're not *listening*
[01:21] <opi> KneelBeforeXorg: maybe it would be better
[01:21] <ironwolf> astharot: whatcha need?
[01:21] <KneelBeforeXorg> I've had the same debian sources.list since the days of slink, not accounting for archive restructuring
[01:22] <opi> KneelBeforeXorg: but it's just what developers come up with, so I can not tell you why they are using releases names instead of stability levels
[01:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> it just says hey, use main, security, and non-us all from stable
[01:22] <Astharot> ironwolf: I have to relay mails from one IP address, i added the ip address in mynetworks but it gives me "relay denied"... why ?
[01:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> opi: nononono, not *instead of*
[01:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> in addition to
[01:22] <iz> Astharot, you restart postfix?
[01:22] <opi> ok, maybe they work? :)
[01:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> in debian archives, "stable" is a *symlink*
[01:22] <opi> I didn't try it
[01:22] <Astharot> iz: sure... restart, reload, everything
[01:22] <iz> k
[01:22] <opi> im using stable/testing/unstable on Debian
[01:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> I'm curious as to why there's no such symlink on archive.ubuntu.org
[01:23] <opi> try it, change it to stable :)
[01:23] <jdub> KneelBeforeXorg: we wanted to make the upgrade transition immediately hands-on
[01:23] <KneelBeforeXorg> why?
[01:23] <jdub> because when my mum is using her computer
[01:23] <jdub> and it pops up to say "security update, install one package",
[01:23] <jdub> that's pretty reasonable
[01:24] <jdub> if it pops up one day and says "um, please update 300 packages"
[01:24] <KneelBeforeXorg> pops up?
[01:24] <jdub> she'll wonder what on earth is going on
[01:24] <jdub> and the upgrade process needs to be a 'smart upgrade' in synaptic terms, etc.
[01:25] <jdub> making the upgrade transition require an explicit knowledge that you're upgrading is safer and easier to understand
[01:25] <KneelBeforeXorg> I tried using the little panel applet to notify me of new packages, but it doesn't use the gksudo
[01:25] <jdub> there's a new one in hoary
[01:25] <ironwolf> Astharot: does postconf | grep mynetworks show the correct networks?
[01:25] <KneelBeforeXorg> hooray
[01:25] <Kamion> jdub: I'd like the symlink to be available but not used by default, personally
[01:26] <jdub> Kamion: if not used by default, why would it be useful? the option to use it, or the implicit documentation?
[01:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> Kamion: but jdub's mum wouldn't
[01:26] <Astharot> ironwolf: sure
[01:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> implicit trouser pointer dereference
[01:27] <Kamion> jdub: there are people who would prefer to use it; those people are fully capable of selecting it manually, it's a convenience
[01:28] <jdub> Kamion: what's the use case? (for completeness)
[01:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: anyway, that's a groovy answer, and I hope that ma' dub dilligently grabs her security updates
[01:29] <unikum> anybody here who have time to look at a screenshot and tell me what to do?
[01:29] <opi> put it on the web and provide a link
[01:30] <Kamion> jdub: "I always want to run the latest release of Ubuntu, I know how to upgrade, and I don't want to remember every six months to fiddle with sources.list on my 200 machines, only some of which are running Ubuntu"
[01:30] <unikum> i am newbie. dont even know if ubuntu have a ftpclient installed
[01:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> I never cease to be amazed that people still use unencrypted protocols
[01:30] <opi> unikum: I bet ftp is there :)
[01:30] <unikum> ?
[01:31] <jdub> Kamion: 200 machine point is tenuous ;)
[01:31] <opi> unikum: ftp's a shell client
[01:31] <opi> unikum: get to the shell, type ftp myaccount@myserver
[01:31] <opi> login, use cd to move around and put file to upload stuff
[01:32] <Kamion> jdub: well, the main point is heterogeneous networks; that's when the brain-space required to remember to fiddle sources.list every six months becomes relevant
[01:32] <opi> or, probably there's some graphical ftp client (or even nautilus could connect to ftp, I do not know)
[01:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: for me, the rationale is that I run cron-apt
[01:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> and I want it to download hoary when that releases
[01:33] <jdub> Kamion: my brain has atrophied since i started using cfengine. ;-)
[01:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> even if I'm still *running* warty
[01:33] <Kamion> jdub: it's difficult for us to conceive that people wouldn't notice when a new version of Ubuntu is released, but we're so involved in the process that we're tremendously bad examples
[01:33] <opi> KneelBeforeXorg's got point there
[01:33] <potato> most people wouldn't really care if there is a new version
[01:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> but that's also a pretty weak general case
[01:34] <potato> they just want their linux to work
[01:34] <Kamion> potato: they'll care eventually, when the old version stops getting security updates
[01:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> most of my reaction was "why not put the symlink?  What's the harm?"
[01:34] <jdub> Kamion: not sure that "would you believe... FIVE HUNDRED MEGABYTE UPGRADE!" is a brilliant notification though ;-)
[01:34] <Kamion> jdub: we're not talking about the sort of people who use the desktop panel applet here
[01:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: these people are magpies, I tell you!  the software has to be round and shiny!
[01:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> none of this fax-o-net mo-dem nonsense for them!
[01:35] <potato> isn't that what ubuntu tries to be ?
[01:35] <potato> userfriendly ?
[01:35] <Kamion> jdub: turning it around, what's the objection to having the non-default facility there?
[01:36] <jdub> Kamion: none
[01:36] <jdub> Kamion: always interested in use cases though
[01:36] <Kamion> jdub: fair enough
[01:37] <unikum> opi, dont have password to geocities here, only on windows
[01:37] <opi> unikum: and what seems to be the problem?
[01:38] <opi> unikum: if you like, you can e-mail it to me, and I'll repost it somewhere
[01:38] <kent> How come Ubuntu puts the "-ubuntu" on the end of every .deb file? When i try to install a newly created gaim package, then synaptic tells me later that the -ubuntu package is newer, which its not :(
[01:38] <Treenaks> kent: yes it is
[01:38] <Treenaks> kent: if apt says it is, it is.
[01:38] <jdub> kent: some of them do, some of them don't. the ones that do are pacakges we've changed.
[01:39] <unikum> i used synaptic to download java, during install i have to read license. What do i do then? i tried enter nothing happens
[01:39] <unikum> tried to type yes, nothing works
[01:39] <kent> jdub, ok.   Treenaks, no, im pretty sure that my newly created package of Gaim is newer than the on Ubuntu ships. But nevermind, its not a big problem.
[01:39] <Treenaks> kent: then you did something wrong in the version (check the changelog as well()
[01:40] <KneelBeforeXorg> kent: look at the version numbers
[01:40] <unikum> whats your email then?
[01:57] <unikum> http://rude.cyb3r.org/what_to_do.png what to do here? i have tried enter of course
[01:58] <kent> I just downloaded Firefox 1.0 from Debian unstable. It had only one dependency-problem (libpng) which i also grabbed from debians archive. Nice and easy. No problem
[01:58] <Treenaks> unikum: "q" ?
[01:58] <nanotech> yeah, why isn't the new firefox included in the recent upgrades?
[01:58] <Kamion> nanotech: it is, in hoary
[01:58] <Treenaks> nanotech: you're #3 today.. warty won't get firefox 1.0
[01:59] <kent> unikum, if you cant press q, then install the same program using apt-get instead.  (apt-get install programname)
[01:59] <nanotech> bonobo warty changelog please
[01:59] <Kamion> unikum: also, make sure the dialog has focus (click on it) before pressing q
[01:59] <unikum> q did work hehe but how could i know?
[01:59] <unikum> i tried enter, yes and ok
[01:59] <nanotech> damnit...i thought this is how one invokes the linkbot
[01:59] <nanotech> jsut type key words
[02:00] <nanotech> and the bot posts the link to the nearest population
[02:00] <Kamion> unikum: looks like that package pops up the default pager, probably 'less'
[02:01] <Kamion> nanotech: changes to warty are mailed to the warty-changes mailing list; see lists.ubuntu.com for archives
[02:01] <nanotech> but shouldn't i grab any updates to the wart tree when i apt-get upgrade?
[02:01] <Kamion> yes
[02:02] <nanotech> is the new firefox under this?
[02:03] <Kamion> nanotech: no. warty is released and stable, which means it doesn't change except when it absolutely has to
[02:05] <nanotech> i thought that the packages i snag from the apt-get commands were the cutting edge packages that post date the stable releases; is this not the case? if not how do i upgrade to warty?
[02:07] <funky> hi
[02:10] <Kamion> nanotech: hoary, not warty. there have been some instructions posted to the mailing list, but at the moment you should basically already know how to do it before considering upgrading to hoary; it's entirely possible that it could break your system
[02:11] <nanotech> can archives of mailing list posts be browsed by thte public?
[02:13] <stvn> nanotech: yes
[02:15] <potato> whoa, oz invasion :)
[02:15] <boldii> hi
[02:16] <boldii> I am running hoary, and now I read something that hoary uses xorg but I am still on xf86 how can I fix that?
[02:16] <stvn> boldii: tried installing xorg?
[02:16] <Kamion> boldii: install ubuntu-desktop and you'll be able to keep better track
[02:16] <Kamion> boldii: otherwise, install xserver-xorg
[02:17] <lifeless> mjg59: ping
[02:18] <boldii> ok, great. do I have to change anything with my runlevels or other config files? the XF86Config-4 can be copied to xorg.conf right?
[02:18] <stvn> boldii: all is taken care off by ubuntu if you upgrade to xorg
[02:19] <boldii> very cool. thanks for the help.
[02:22] <mjg59> lifeless: Yo
[02:23] <lifeless> yo
[02:23] <lifeless> ignore my other ping :).
[02:23] <lifeless> so, laptop + your kernel. :[
[02:23] <lifeless> init=/bin/sh, mount /proc, echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep
[02:23] <lifeless> it slept.
[02:23] <lifeless> closed lid, opened lid.
[02:23] <lifeless> power comes up, disc spins. Then it stops.
[02:24] <mjg59> Does caps lock respond?
[02:25] <lifeless> I'll try that next time
[02:25] <mjg59> Ok. How about suspend to disk with that kernel?
[02:26] <lifeless> appeared to  suspend just fine (though there was a complaint from ipw2200 going down. Hung on ipw2200 on resume.
[02:26] <lifeless> Do you have the swsusp enabled ipw driver in that kernel ?
[02:26] <mjg59> Hrm. ipw2200 should have been unloaded.
[02:27] <aaroncuk> hey all
[02:27] <aaroncuk> can someone explain how to install and app as a service please?
[02:28] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: which app? :)
[02:28] <netmonk> lifeless, mjg59, can you plsease copy/paste me the begining of you discussion since i
[02:28] <menewbe> what does "a prism based adapter" mean? prism = ...?
[02:28] <Treenaks> menewbe: a chipset name
[02:28] <mjg59> lifeless: What does /sys/class/net/eth1/driver point to? (assuming eth1 is the ipw)
[02:28] <netmonk> lifeless, mjg59, can you plsease copy/paste me the begining of you discussion since i'm trying to get my laptop to suspend
[02:28] <aaroncuk> mpd still... i am gonna do what u said. load it from a package
[02:28] <lifeless> /sys/class/net/eth1/driver -> ../../../bus/pci/drivers/ipw2200
[02:28] <ironwolf> menewbe: prism is a chipset.  Netgear likes to use it in their wireless cards.
[02:29] <lifeless> netmonk: I don't have the beginning to copy n paste.
[02:29] <menewbe> Treenaks: thnx, do you by any chance know if it's supported by linux?
[02:29] <Treenaks> menewbe: prism is supported..
[02:30] <mjg59> netmonk: Have you looked at https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[02:31] <mjg59> lifeless: If you could take a look at the prepare.sh and resume.sh scripts and try to figure out why the ipw2200 driver isn't getting unloaded, that would rock
[02:31] <lifeless> where are they ?
[02:32] <mjg59> /etc/acpi
[02:32] <Treenaks> mjg59: hey cool, I'll try that one on my laptop tonight :)
[02:32] <lifeless> why do you unload ipw2200 though : its got full support for pm these days.
[02:32] <superted> how can i find out how long i've had ubuntu installed ?
[02:33] <mjg59> lifeless: Because most network drivers don't
[02:33] <neill> superted: search for the oldest file?
[02:33] <mjg59> I'd rather not special case individual drivers where possible
[02:33] <neill> actually that might be unhelpful
[02:33] <lifeless> mjg59: ah.
[02:33] <Treenaks> mjg59: people _are_ fixing that, aren't they?
[02:34] <neill> mjg59: any thoughts on sound support for a yammaha pci soundcard?
[02:34] <lifeless> ah: I missed the acpi-support package.
[02:35] <mjg59> neill: None whatsoever
[02:35] <mjg59> Treenaks: Yup
[02:35] <mjg59> lifeless: Doh
[02:35] <neill> mjg59: it works in debian, but doesn't in ubuntu.
[02:35] <neill> any ideas what to try to make it go?
[02:35] <lifeless> I only noticed know cause reference the wiki
[02:35] <neill> this is in a vaio btw
[02:35] <boldii> hey, is there anywhere a manual about the debian / ubuntu init.d system?
[02:36] <mjg59> neill: What drivers are being used in Debian? Which ones in Ubuntu?
[02:36] <Treenaks> boldii: yes, there's the update-rc.d manual and the debian policy documents
[02:36] <neill> mjg59: it's the ymf one
[02:36] <mjg59> neill: Which ymf one?
[02:36] <mjg59> neill: ALSA or OSS?
[02:37] <Treenaks> if it's pci it should load automatically
[02:37] <neill> snd-ymfpci
[02:37] <mjg59> neill: Right. How about in Debian?
[02:37] <neill> I believe.
[02:37] <neill> mjg59: that one :)
[02:37] <mjg59> neill: The same driver in both?
[02:37] <neill> it just showed up in alsa-config in debian.
[02:37] <neill> doesn't seem to in ubuntu
[02:38] <neill> don't have it in front of me.
[02:38] <neill> I'll fiddle with it some more later.
[02:38] <mjg59> Check that snd-ymfpci is being loaded in ubuntu
[02:38] <mjg59> You shouldn't need any manual configuration to get that
[02:38] <neill> in other news I'm very impressed with wifi / pcmcia support
[02:38] <mjg59> Remember that Debian uses 2.4 kernels by default
[02:38] <neill> mjg59: was using 2.6 with debian
[02:38] <mjg59> Ok
[02:38] <neill> mjg59: in an unrelated issue, any idea which things to poke to get speedstep to work?
[02:39] <neill> (aka the first version of speed step on a 550/700 mhz pIII)
[02:39] <mjg59> Load speedstep-smi
[02:40] <neill> mjg59: ahha
[02:40] <neill> will give that a go tonigth
[02:40] <neill> thanks
[02:40] <mjg59> You might need to pass an argument to tell it to work on a coppermine
[02:40] <boldii> another question: the hoary wiki page said I should remove all iso-8859-* out of my locales and now perl says I should be sure to have         LANG = "en_US.ISO-8859-15"
[02:40] <Treenaks> my coppermine/440mx doesn't seem to understand any speedstep..
[02:41] <mjg59> Treenaks: What speed?
[02:41] <Treenaks> mjg59: 600mhz
[02:41] <mjg59> The first generation 600MHz parts don't have speedstep
[02:41] <Treenaks> boldii: yes.. you should change /etc/environment as well
[02:41] <superted> i am going to re-install ubuntu. how can i take with me the e-mail from evolution?
[02:43] <Treenaks> superted: just back up your entire home directory
[02:43] <Treenaks> superted: and put it back when you're done reinstalling
[02:43] <superted> hm
[02:43] <boldii> Treenaks, /etc/environment is correct. at least I have only utf8 there, has it to be read in again or something like that?
[02:43] <boldii> Treenaks, yes, it has, with source thanks =)
[02:43] <superted> Treenaks: i don't want my old gconf settings etc. can i just backup my evo folder?
[02:44] <Treenaks> boldii: you need to login again to have it be read again
[02:44] <boldii> Treenaks, source /etc/environment is nicer =)
[02:44] <Treenaks> boldii: that only works in one terminal.. logging in again makes it work everywhere
[02:44] <Treenaks> superted: some evolution settings (accounts etc.) are in gconf..
[02:45] <superted> hm
[02:45] <mjg59> lifeless: Any joy with that?
[02:45] <agwibowo> hello
[02:45] <agwibowo> can anyone tell me how i can mount usb keys in ubuntu?
[02:45] <agwibowo> since there's no /dev/sda
[02:46] <Treenaks> agwibowo: just plug them in
[02:46] <Treenaks> agwibowo: it'll appear on your desktop
[02:46] <agwibowo> then???
[02:46] <agwibowo> really????
[02:46] <Treenaks> yes
[02:46] <stvn> it should at least
[02:46] <agwibowo> and if it doesn't?
[02:46] <Treenaks> agwibowo: check the output of 'dmesg'
[02:46] <stvn> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[02:46] <agwibowo> sda1 is not available
[02:46] <Treenaks> stvn: no, always check usb first - automounting works pretty well
[02:46] <agwibowo> i mean there's no /dev/sda*
[02:47] <Treenaks> agwibowo: you may have interrupt problems
[02:47] <lifeless> mjg59: swsuspend just worked for me. Yay!. I owe you beer.
[02:47] <agwibowo> swsuspend???
[02:47] <jdub> agwibowo: sd* won't appear until there is a device present that 'provides' it
[02:47] <agwibowo> is that to suspend your computer?
[02:47] <Treenaks> mjg59: are you going to be in Matar ;)
[02:47] <agwibowo> jdub: oh k...
[02:47] <lifeless> mjg59: I don't see a prepare.sh though...
[02:48] <jdub> Treenaks: cheapskate. :)
[02:48] <Treenaks> jdub: what? I am..
[02:48] <agwibowo> can anyone tell me how to make the console bigger? it's currently only 80x25... i want something like in knoppix...
[02:48] <mjg59> Treenaks: Afraid not
[02:48] <Treenaks> jdub: I'm even paying my own travel/hotel expenses :)
[02:48] <agwibowo> fill the whole screen....
[02:48] <lifeless> and my powerbtn event looks like its very much a power off event still
[02:49] <jdub> Treenaks: in spain, the beer is cheap ;)
[02:49] <mjg59> lifeless: Did you install acpi-support?
[02:49] <neill> agwibowo: pass vga=somemagicnumber into the kernel
[02:49] <Treenaks> jdub: in The Netherlands, where I live, it's even cheaper :)
[02:49] <neill> where somemagicnumber is probably 791 or 794
[02:49] <agwibowo> somemagicnumber??
[02:49] <lifeless> mjg59: yah
[02:49] <agwibowo> oh
[02:49] <neill> for 1024x768 or 1280x1024 respectively
[02:49] <agwibowo> what is 791 / 794 then??
[02:49] <lifeless> ii  acpi-support          0.9
[02:49] <agwibowo> oooo
[02:49] <mjg59> lifeless: Does dpkg -L acpi-support show /etc/acpi/prepare.sh ?
[02:49] <agwibowo> sure that will work?
[02:49] <jdub> Treenaks: if only it didn't taste like furniture polish
[02:49] <mjg59> lifeless: That's thom's acpi-support
[02:49] <agwibowo> how do i pass it?
[02:50] <mjg59> You need the one from my archive
[02:50] <neill> go read the kernel console docs....
[02:50] <Treenaks> jdub: beer, not heineken
[02:50] <lifeless> mjg59: no it doesn't.
[02:50] <lifeless> hmm
[02:50] <netmonk> mjg59, when i do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.9-1-386 acpi-support i get 'no such file or directory', any ideas?
[02:50] <mjg59> Which has a higher version number...
[02:50] <neill> agwibowo: you're talking about the normal console, i.e text-mode, aren't you?
[02:50] <mjg59> netmonk: Can you paste the actual error message?
[02:50] <agwibowo> neill: yes
[02:50] <lifeless> well, I have pinning in for warty / sid.
[02:50] <lifeless> so it ignored yours.
[02:50] <lifeless> fixing
[02:50] <netmonk> root@ubuntu:~ # sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.9-1-386 acpi-support
[02:50] <netmonk> Reading Package Lists... Done
[02:50] <netmonk> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[02:50] <netmonk> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.srcf.ucam.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.srcf.ucam.org_%7emjg59_laptops_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[02:50] <netmonk> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[02:50] <netmonk> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.9-1-386
[02:51] <mjg59> Netminder: Have you done apt-get update ?
[02:51] <neill> agwibowo: the easiest way to test would be to reboot and then hit escape to get to grub and edit the kernel command line to include the argument vga=791 or vga=794
[02:51] <agwibowo> neill: do i pass it in grub's  menu.lst?
[02:51] <stvn> netmonk: you did reload/update you package list after adding that source?
[02:51] <neill> agwibowo: you can do that as well, but try it by hand to make sure it works first, else you might not be able to reboot if it crashes / doesn't display /etc
[02:52] <agwibowo> ok...
[02:52] <agwibowo> thx..
[02:52] <netmonk> stvn, yes
[02:52] <mjg59> Whoops, netmonk, not netminder
[02:52] <netmonk> just didi again
[02:52] <mjg59> netmonk: did that produce any errors?
[02:52] <zenwhen> Hello fellows. :)
[02:53] <netmonk> no
[02:53] <Nedioa> ERROR: hsf driver not active  anybody having same problem linuxant driver?
[02:53] <agwibowo> heheeh
[02:53] <netmonk> mjg59, i just found the file with synaptic
[02:53] <agwibowo> exit
[02:53] <netmonk> can i load it?
[02:54] <mjg59> netmonk: Which file?
[02:54] <netmonk> mjg59 inux-image-2.6.9-1-386
[02:54] <mjg59> netmonk: Please just follow the instructions on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[02:55] <netmonk> mjg59, got it now
[02:55] <neill> *buy
[02:55] <lifeless> woohoo
[02:56] <m0j0> can someone help me?
[02:56] <Treenaks> m0j0: probably
[02:56] <zenwhen> likely
[02:56] <lifeless> swsuspend seems reliably working. mjg59 you rock.
[02:56] <m0j0> I just deleted my libGL.so.1.2 in /usr/lib
[02:56] <m0j0> can someone send me that file?
[02:56] <Treenaks> m0j0: uh.. why did you do that?
[02:56] <zenwhen> lol
[02:56] <Treenaks> m0j0: your best option is to get the package it's in and re-install that
[02:56] <m0j0> I played around with kernel and libGLU
[02:56] <mjg59> lifeless: Rocking
[02:57] <zenwhen> Did you get an email saying it was a virus?
[02:57] <zenwhen> lol
[02:57] <m0j0> too lazy and cause I made lots of changes here
[02:57] <m0j0> I can't reinstall all thing
[02:57] <Treenaks> m0j0: download xlibmesa-gl from archive.ubuntu.com
[02:57] <m0j0> can somone PLS PLS PLS send me the file?
[02:57] <Treenaks> m0j0: (in the version for your distribution)
[02:57] <Treenaks> m0j0: dpkg -i that
[02:57] <Treenaks> m0j0: and you'[ll have it again
[02:57] <lifeless> mjg59: have yo considered using ip link rather than ifconfig ?
[02:57] <mjg59> m0j0: apt-get --reinstall install xlibmesa-gl
[02:58] <m0j0> Treenaks: I can't! I made some changes in xlibmesa, and my xlibmesa is not the one from Ubuntu, its compiled from src
[02:58] <mjg59> lifeless: I know nothing about the ip command
[02:58] <zenwhen> m0j0. its going to be more reliable if you download the pkg and install it
[02:58] <Treenaks> m0j0: don't do that  then
[02:58] <lifeless> mjg59: ah. /very/ useful command
[02:58] <mjg59> lifeless: Is there any reason that it'd make a difference?
[02:58] <mjg59> All I want to do is make damn sure that the interface is down before rmmodding
[02:58] <netmonk> mjg59, my video is Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
[02:58] <lifeless> oh, I just find it easier to tweak.
[02:58] <mjg59> lifeless: It shouldn't make any difference, really
[02:59] <m0j0> Treenaks: common pls help me this time, Im a developer, I must digest the program to know what inside, I can't use a binary version!
[02:59] <Treenaks> m0j0: then use gentoo
[02:59] <mjg59> m0j0: Uh, dude, the developers all use binary versions
[02:59] <m0j0> Treenaks: sigh...speecless..ok..
[02:59] <mjg59> netmonk: You'll want to add the VBERestore line that it talks about
[02:59] <Treenaks> m0j0: you don't need to compile everything from source.. I'm a developer as well.. the -dev packages are enough to compile packages against
[02:59] <netmonk> mjg59, my video is Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device, do I have to change settings as directed in https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[02:59] <netmonk> mjg59, aha ok
[03:00] <neill> mjg59: what sort of info do you want in e-mails about pm breakage?
[03:00] <agwibowo> okay....
[03:00] <neill> agwibowo: any luck?
[03:00] <agwibowo> an odd behaviour
[03:01] <agwibowo> yes yes!
[03:01] <agwibowo> thx!
[03:01] <agwibowo> it works!
[03:01] <agwibowo> :)
[03:01] <agwibowo> another problem though
[03:01] <agwibowo> in X, my keyboard is mapped correctly..
[03:01] <agwibowo> but not in console
[03:01] <agwibowo> how to fix this??
[03:01] <neill> no idea on that one, sorry.
[03:01] <agwibowo> hmmm
[03:01] <Treenaks> agwibowo: dpkg-reconfigure console-tools I guess
[03:01] <mjg59> neill: As much information as possible
[03:01] <neill> make/model/components/etc
[03:02] <agwibowo> Treenaks: that sounds scary
[03:02] <nart> hello, my onboard Gigabit LAN  isnt working in ubuntu, anyone have such problems?
[03:02] <Treenaks> agwibowo: it's not
[03:02] <neill> does the use of acpi=force make me more likely to be ignored :)
[03:02] <mjg59> No
[03:02] <neill> nart: what sort of ethernet chip is it?
[03:02] <mjg59> Though if acpi is disabled by default, apm is a better bet
[03:02] <neill> apm is fucked on my laptop though :)
[03:02] <mjg59> I haven't met any hardware with old acpi and broken apm
[03:02] <neill> ... acpi works in windows :)
[03:02] <agwibowo> Treenaks: no luck..
[03:03] <Treenaks> agwibowo: no idea then, sorry
[03:03] <neill> mjg59: apm being turned on in the bios breaks windows
[03:03] <zenwhen> ;-;
[03:03] <mjg59> neill: Vendors ship modified acpi tables in their windows drivers
[03:03] <neill> ah
[03:03] <neill> joy.
[03:03] <mjg59> Unbounded
[03:03] <zenwhen> is http://ubuntuforums.org down for everyone?
[03:03] <lifeless> night all
[03:03] <mjg59> The Windows ACPI implementation is also some distance from spec-compliant
[03:04] <mjg59> But for older hardware it was the only code to test against
[03:04] <netmonk> mjg59, sorry for the dum qusetion but how should the "VBERestore" "true" line look exactly?
[03:04] <Treenaks> on my 4-year old (Asus) laptop ACPI seems to work very well
[03:04] <will> raa!!
[03:04] <will> im of ppl
[03:04] <will> vi ses
[03:05] <Treenaks> will: uh.. calm down?
[03:05] <nart> neill: am not really sure, am checking the mobo manual but not finding a chip name, the chipset of the mobo is nforce3 250gb though
[03:05] <will> =
[03:05] <topyli> zenwhen: seems down alright
[03:05] <zenwhen> damn
[03:05] <zenwhen> ;-;
[03:05] <mjg59> netmonk: exactly like it does on the website
[03:05] <zenwhen> probably running a windows server
[03:05] <zenwhen> D:
[03:05] <mjg59> netmonk: Hang on, I'll modify that to make it look a bit clearer
[03:06] <netmonk> mjg59, I see :)
[03:06] <lupus_> I need ntfsresize during warty install
[03:06] <neill> nart: do you only have the one network interface?
[03:06] <lupus_> can I apt-get it or something?
[03:06] <neill> (it's a nforce 250GB ethernet interface most probably)
[03:06] <neill> I have one of these, it seems to work..... kind of
[03:07] <neill> the driver is forceth I think....
[03:07] <nart> yes the nForce Gigabit ethernet... i have installed the nvidia nforce drivers and modified /etc/modules.conf.... and removed the forcedeth driver
[03:07] <neill> forcedeth
[03:07] <neill> Does forcedeth not work?
[03:08] <nart> no
[03:08] <netmonk> mjg59, looks great now. thanks
[03:08] <neill> hmm
[03:08] <nart> on boot it takes ages to go pass Configuring network interfaces, after boot if i try to enable it, it just does nothing...
[03:08] <mjr> hmm, sounds like I should be happy that my nforce3 mb has a separate gb ethernet chip
[03:09] <nart> its was working on fc2 and now fc3...
[03:11] <Gwildor_> morning room
[03:14] <m0j0> can someone help me again?
[03:15] <Treenaks> m0j0: what?
[03:15] <m0j0> can someone send me the graphic file for 'CLOCK' icon in /usr/share/pixmaps?
[03:15] <m0j0> the one used for Clock icon
[03:15] <Treenaks> m0j0: get the package
[03:15] <m0j0> I did
[03:15] <m0j0> still missing that icon
[03:15] <m0j0> weird
[03:15] <Treenaks> m0j0: and don't go about deleting random files
[03:15] <m0j0> lol
[03:15] <m0j0> I won't
[03:16] <netmonk> mjg59, which one is the driver section? I have DRI, ServerLayout, Screen, Monitor, Devidce, InuputDevice, Module, Files.
[03:16] <Treenaks> Device
[03:18] <netmonk> Treenaks, is that for me?
[03:19] <Treenaks> netmonk: yes
[03:19] <netmonk> so, i should put it under Device?
[03:19] <netmonk> ok
[03:20] <mjg59> netmonk: Oh, thank you, good point
[03:23] <netmonk> how do I see which one is my swap partition?
[03:23] <Treenaks> netmonk: type 'grep swap /etc/fstab'
[03:24] <netmonk> Treenaks, thanks :) it's hda7
[03:29] <CardinalSin> hi all. i'm a bit new to Linux and have a question about network speed on my Ubuntu box. Is there any reason why it is substantialy slower than my Windows box connecting to the internet?
[03:34] <kent> When i installaed Hoary in vmware yesterday, i saw this admin-disk(s?) program. Is it a part of gnome system tools, or whats the name of that package?
[03:35] <bwlang> CardinalSin: it should be no slower... how have you measured?
[03:37] <CardinalSin> bwlang, i'm on a ADSL connection from home. if I access http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ on my wifes XP box it's up in less than 5 seconds. on my Ubuntu box it can take up to 2 min to access. it even times out. I read something about turning off IP6.
[03:39] <bwlang> CardinalSin: have a look at the output of "ifconfig eth0"  ... maybe you have a lot of error on the interface.  I'm assuming that you use an ethernet connection not usb... the other possibility is that your card is misconfigured... or that it is trying to do full duplex on a half duplex link.
[03:41] <hbillo_> hellow
[03:41] <hbillo_> can someone help me ?
[03:41] <pouet> no
[03:41] <hbillo_> i have a probleme with my soundcard
[03:41] <pouet> ?
[03:41] <hbillo_> it's an ati ac97
[03:41] <hbillo_> the module is atiixp
[03:42] <hbillo_> modprobe atiixp work
[03:42] <hbillo_> but alsa says that there is no soundcard
[03:42] <hbillo_> :|
[03:42] <mjg59> hbillo_: Sounds like you've loaded the OSS module, not the alsa one
[03:42] <mjg59> There should be a snd-something module
[03:42] <CardinalSin> yup. it's ethernet. i seemed to have no errors with ifconfig eth0. how do I check the duplex thing? sorry if this is basic stuff, but am newish and have gone 100% OSS.
[03:43] <hbillo_> mjg59, even when i load snd-atiixp it doesn't work
[03:47] <hbillo_> there is no solution??
[03:50] <supos_> Is there a web page that lists the current packages in Warty? I need to check if a certain package has been updated, but I can't get to my Ubuntu box at the moment
[03:51] <leonb> what version of firefox does the live demo have on it?
[03:52] <seb128> 0.9.3 IIRC
[03:53] <leonb> thanks seb128, are there any plans to release a newer demo any time soon?
[03:53] <seb128> no sure about hoary liveCD ...
[03:53] <seb128> why, 0.9.3 is not good ?
[03:54] <leonb> for me, it is fine, but I'm looking for FF 1.0 and latest OOo for others
[03:54] <leonb> who would know?
[03:54] <gnurt> newer is better :D
[03:54] <Keybuk> newest versions of packages go into 'hoary' ... the release due in April
[03:55] <Keybuk> the first test install CD has been made already
[03:55] <Keybuk> I imagine the first test Live CD will be along within a month or two
[03:55] <netmonk> mjg59, Configuration file `/etc/acpi/events/powerbtn'
[03:55] <netmonk>  ==> File on system created by you or by a script.
[03:55] <netmonk>  ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
[03:55] <netmonk>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[03:55] <netmonk>     Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[03:55] <netmonk>     N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
[03:55] <netmonk>       D     : show the differences between the versions
[03:55] <netmonk>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[03:55] <netmonk>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[03:55] <netmonk> *** powerbtn (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[03:55] <stvn> ew
[03:55] <netmonk> what should I answer?
[03:56] <leonb> Keybuk: ta. I'm looking for the live-demo-plus-Win32 version
[03:56] <leonb> older Ubuntu is fine as long as it works, but packages concerned must be recent
[03:57] <stvn> leonb: why the importance of recent packages?
[03:57] <supos_> seb128: You resolved that Abiword bug, right?
[03:57] <stvn> leonb: the ubuntu ff has got some backported 1.0 features
[03:58] <seb128> supos_: which one ?
[03:59] <mjg59> netmonk: choose Y
[03:59] <topyli> netmonk: have you edited the file?
[03:59] <leonb> stvn: for starters, want to hand some out at a FF 1.0 party
[03:59] <ironwolf> why would, after adding universe and multiverse in /etc/apt/sources.list, the /var/lib/dpkg/available not show mpd as being there?  There is no /etc/apt/apt.preferences file in play.  ideas?
[04:00] <leonb> stvn: also want to hand them to MS-besotted customers, and latest is greatest
[04:00] <ironwolf> apt-get update was run before checking files.
[04:01] <supos_> seb128: the one with abiword opening new windows on <space>
[04:01] <crack> hello
[04:01] <ironwolf> hi crack.
[04:01] <crack> i am getting no sound out of xmms or my system
[04:01] <crack> everything is plugged in
[04:01] <crack> and it works once in a while
[04:01] <crack> any ideasS?
[04:02] <stvn> leonb: ah ok, best bet is wait for hoary CDs or look for other liveCDs i'm afraid
[04:02] <seb128> supos_: I don't get the problem, but the menus are opens when I press the shortcut letter ... and this bug is fixed with 2.1.96 in hoary as said in the bug report, yes
[04:03] <supos_> seb128: uhm, but is it fixed in warty?
[04:03] <leonb> stvn: how hard would it be to pull a live CD and do surgery on the image?
[04:03] <stvn> leonb: wouldn't know TBH
[04:03] <seb128> supos_: not, warty is released, we only fix security issues and big issues
[04:04] <crack> well
[04:04] <crack> i guess i will check back later
[04:04] <supos_> seb128: It's a big issue, it renders Abiword pretty much useless
[04:04] <crack> since noone can help me now
[04:04] <ironwolf> crack: none here, mine just worked.
[04:04] <netmonk> mjg59, topyli: I'm done. I've edited and need to restart now. I hope things will be ok ;)
[04:04] <crack> mine did too
[04:04] <crack> but now it doesnt
[04:04] <crack> i dont get it
[04:04] <ironwolf> any takers on the apt-get problem? *please?*
[04:04] <topyli> netmonk: happy booting
[04:04] <netmonk> ;)
[04:04] <leonb> ok, general question then: how hard is it to either do surgery on a Ubuntu live CD or to pull Ubuntu and build a modded one from scratch?
[04:05] <ironwolf> crack: what changed between it working and it not working?
[04:05] <crack> ironwolf, whats wrong with your apt-get?
[04:05] <crack> i dont know
[04:05] <seb128> supos_: it can wait until hoary
[04:05] <crack> my music is on my ntfs drie
[04:05] <crack> but it worked before
[04:05] <crack> its weird
[04:06] <topyli> crack: is esd running (and do you think it's supposed to be)?
[04:06] <crack> isd?
[04:06] <crack> esd?
[04:06] <supos_> seb128: so you're saying there are no bugfixes for the current stable release?
[04:06] <crack> what is that?
[04:06] <ironwolf> crack: I have a system I added universe and multiverse to the /etc/apt/sources.list .  I ran apt-get update.  now apt-get install mpd says it's not there, grep mpd /var/lib/dpkg/available finds nothing, but I KNOW it's in universe.
[04:06] <seb128> supos_: bug fixes for big issues or security problems
[04:06] <crack> ah
[04:06] <crack> hang on i will look
[04:06] <topyli> crack: the sound daemon in gnome
[04:07] <crack> what is mpd?
[04:07] <Keybuk> ironwolf: "apt-get update" doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg/available anyway ...
[04:07] <topyli> crack: music player daemon. very cool
[04:07] <crack> ironwolf, your the man
[04:07] <crack> i got it
[04:07] <crack> pcm was all the way down
[04:08] <crack> kk
[04:08] <crack> lemme check out this mpd
[04:08] <mrJWhite> hey everyone! ubuntu is really cool, on friday we'll be installing it to about 100 laptops in a seminar at school
[04:08] <Lum1> hi
[04:08] <mrJWhite> i havent seen that free cd shipping thing
[04:08] <mrJWhite> is it all free?
[04:08] <Lum1> allredy i install new ubuntu but i dont have root user :S
[04:08] <topyli> mrJWhite: for you it is :)
[04:09] <mrJWhite> we've been copying cds for a few days, i'd wish i'd seen it before
[04:09] <topyli> bonobo: root Lum1
[04:09] <bonobo> Lum1: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:09] <crack> ironwolf, its not in my repos
[04:09] <ironwolf> Keybuk: it does on my laptop and all previous Debian installs I've seen.  Point is more apt-get install mpd says it's not available.
[04:09] <supos_> seb128: Ok, I didn't know it worked that way. Although one could argue that a bug rendering a package useless (especially a package like Abiword for a desktop-oriented distro) is a pretty issue
[04:09] <crack> and i have them all
[04:10] <Lum1> topyli, bash: root: command not found
[04:10] <seb128> supos_: openoffice.org is the supported office software
[04:10] <crack> anyone know how to install themes i picked up off the net?
[04:10] <Keybuk> ironwolf: It doesn't.  It's dselect's available file, APT doesn't touch it.
[04:10] <topyli> Lum1: there's no such command :)
[04:10] <topyli> on any distro
[04:10] <Keybuk> (and mpd isn't in universe)
[04:11] <ironwolf> crack: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mpd/
[04:11] <mrJWhite> topyli: it's really great, i think i'll ask a for a few then, thanks :))
[04:11] <George^Deka> crack: open the theme manager - computer > Desktop Prefs > Themes
[04:11] <George^Deka> crack: then click install and point it to the tar.gz you just d/l'ed
[04:12] <Keybuk> ironwolf: that's the shared pool of packages in warty and hoary -- mpd is in hoary's universe
[04:12] <crack> use that full line then
[04:12] <crack> maybe mpd isnt enough
[04:12] <crack> you may need to use your version you need
[04:12] <topyli> mrJWhite: grab 'em. they want to give away as many as possible, it's PR
[04:12] <ironwolf> Keybuk: thankyee.... I'm helping someone running warty.. I'm running hoary.  Hadn't occured to me the universe would be that different.. *crawls back under rock*
[04:12] <mrJWhite> topyli: whats PR? :) promotion? :)
[04:13] <topyli> mrJWhite: yeah, public relations-foo
[04:13] <Keybuk> ironwolf: chances are mpd was either introduced to Debian after warty froze, or just didn't build at the time -- when the GREAT RESYNC started it popped in
[04:13] <crack> can someone help me get a theme installed that i picked up off the net?
[04:13] <Lum1> bonobo, thnx :D
[04:13] <Keybuk> ironwolf: you can *probably* just download the _i386.deb from the pool and install it
[04:14] <supos_> seb128: I know. Sorry about filing the bug report then. I discussed it with people in here and the general concensus was to file a bug report, but it's still my bad :(
[04:14] <Keybuk> I can't see anything in its dependencies that wouldn't be in warty
[04:14] <topyli> Lum1: bonobo isn't a real person. but it will answer if you thank nicely :)
[04:14] <ironwolf> thanks Keybuk!
[04:14] <seb128> supos_: no problem, filing a bug is right. The bug has been fixed, but in the devel branch ...
[04:14] <Lum1> topyli, sorry i dont know :)
[04:15] <mrJWhite> topyli: thanks, :) see ya all!
[04:15] <topyli> Lum1: IIRC, it will understand "thanks"
[04:15] <crack> anyone wanna help me install a theme i downloaded?
[04:16] <topyli> crack: open the theme manager, drag the tarball in there
[04:16] <crack> just a drag?
[04:17] <topyli> yep
[04:18] <crack> thanks topli
[04:19] <topyli> cant get much easier i guess :)
[04:24] <ironwolf> crack: where did you find themes for ubuntu?
[04:26] <seb128> supos_: BTW I don't have the <space> problem on a warty install and you are the only one who reported it, so that's probably not a common issue, doesn't help to consider it as a priority to fix ...
[04:26] <Gwildor_> I was just reading on distrowatch that they (distrowatch) had plans to use ubuntu for there server(s), but chose freebsd because of its maturity
[04:27] <netmonk> mjg59, it almost works
[04:29] <mjg59> netmonk: Mm?
[04:29] <netmonk> echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep works. it goes to sleep and wehn i press the button it comes back BUT then it tries to suspend to disk in my opinion and when I press the power button it freezes just before the desktop shows up
[04:29] <StarScream> are there any plans to add kde packages to warty PPC's universe ?
[04:30] <mjg59> netmonk: Don't do echo 3 >/proc/acpi/sleep
[04:30] <StarScream> or do i need to upgrade to hoary ?
[04:30] <mjg59> netmonk: Do you have a sleep button on the laptop?
[04:30] <netmonk> mjg59, no
[04:30] <mjg59> netmonk: What model is it?
[04:30] <netmonk> Toshiba Satellite A40-261
[04:33] <mjg59> netmonk: Ok
[04:33] <netmonk> mjg59, when I press Fn F3 the sreen goes blank and then comes back
[04:34] <mjg59> netmonk: If you just press the power button, does it suspend to disk?
[04:34] <netmonk> mjg59, I'll check ;)
[04:38] <arsovy> mjg59, it suspended to disk, now I'm waiting to see if it'll come back
[04:38] <mjg59> arsovy: Cool
[04:38] <supos_> seb128: When I mentioned it in here, people were able to reproduce it...
[04:39] <seb128> supos_: every people who tried ?
[04:39] <supos_> seb128: I don
[04:39] <supos_> seb128: Don't remember. Is this channel logged?
[04:40] <supos_> seb128: I only think a couple of people tried it, and they were able to reproduce it
[04:40] <seb128> I htink so, but I don't remember where are the logs
[04:41] <seb128> supos_: the point is that I don't have the problem here, I've just apt-get install abiword-gnome, started it and play a bit with it
[04:41] <seb128> that's a fresh warty install
[04:41] <seb128> and no problem
[04:41] <arsovy> mjg59, obviously it's back but though there is ligt in the screen it's not working
[04:42] <supos_> seb128: Oh well. Doesn't really matter anyway, if there are no bug fixes in stbale
[04:42] <supos_> stable
[04:42] <arsovy> mjg59, I guess it hangs somewhere before loading the desktop
[04:43] <mjg59> arsovy: Can you press ctrl+alt+F1 and then ctrl+alt+F7 ?
[04:44] <arsovy> mjg59, another interesting thing is that when I  boot it stands still for some time and then gives a long list of devices with error
[04:44] <seb128> supos_: depending on the bug (in fact on how many people use the package, how many get the bug, how important the bug is, on how easy is it to fix)
[04:44] <mjg59> arsovy: Yeah, that's not anything to worry about at the moment
[04:44] <arsovy> mjg59, i thought so ;)
[04:45] <Keybuk> Technical Board meeting in 15 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting.
[04:45] <mjg59> arsovy: The Fn+F3 thing ought to put your machine to sleep, though
[04:45] <netmonk_> mjg59, success!!!!
[04:46] <mjg59> netmonk: Mm?
[04:46] <netmonk_> it just went to sleep
[04:46] <mjg59> Oh, cool
[04:46] <mjg59> Does the power button wake it up?
[04:47] <netmonk_> mjg59, yes, but probably in 5 or 10 seconds it shuts down on it's own
[04:47] <mjg59> netmonk: It shouldn't
[04:47] <netmonk_> mjg59, it just did
[04:47] <netmonk_> ;)
[04:47] <mjg59> Gah.
[04:48] <supos_> seb128: I work around it by just installing the abiword package from Universe instead of abiword-gnome from main
[04:51] <seb128> supos_: weird
[04:51] <crack> ironwolf, you can find them at gnome-look.org
[04:51] <crack> ironwolf, or kde-look.org
[04:52] <crack> i was using kde for a bit, but i like gnome better
[04:52] <crack> im used to it now
[04:52] <crack> alot like i was used to windows
[04:52] <crack> still have some stuff to learn tho
[04:52] <crack> as usual
[04:53] <netmonk> mjg59, Fn F3 goes to sleep almost on the second - I guess tahat's stadn by, right?
[04:53] <kensai> where in gnome is where I change which programs start when Gnome starts?
[04:53] <mjg59> netmonk: That's suspend to RAM, yes
[04:54] <Gwildor_> kensai, what are you tring to do?
[04:54] <mjg59> netmonk: Can you edit /etc/acpi/resume.sh and just above the line /etc/init.d/acpid start put sleep 10 ?
[04:54] <netmonk> mjg59, hm... but then on it's own goes to suspend to disk, and when it comes back the screen is not working
[04:54] <magneto> [quote] /help[/quote] 
[04:54] <mjg59> ^^
[04:54] <netmonk> mjg59, just a sec, it's starting now
[04:55] <kensai> Gwildor_, I have gdesklet to start everytime gbome starts I want to not start everytime now but don't remember where to change taht
[04:55] <magneto> kensai: session
[04:56] <kensai> magneto, thanks
[04:56] <crack> guys, i got my skins to work with gnome, now i want to change my skin for gkrellm does anyone know how to do that?
[04:56] <krischan> hello everyone.
[04:56] <crack> ive got the tar
[04:57] <crack> tried dragging it
[04:57] <crack> no avail
[04:59] <kensai> anyone knows of a good free web hosting?
[04:59] <crack> for pics?
[04:59] <crack> kensai?
[04:59] <kensai> crack: yeah pc screenshots
[04:59] <magneto> kensai: 100mb unlimited bandwidth spymac.net
[04:59] <crack> yep thats a good
[04:59] <crack> one
[05:00] <Gwildor_> kensai, I just use geocities, use a <noembed> tag to get rid of the adds
[05:00] <kensai> Gwildor_, Kool
[05:00] <kensai> magneto, tahnks
[05:00] <crack> anyone use a diff monitoring program than gkrellm?
[05:00] <Keybuk> Technical Board meeting on #ubuntu-meeting now.
[05:01] <magneto> crack: gdesklets and gnome-panel applets
[05:01] <crack> gdesklets?
[05:01] <crack> is it native to gnome or do i have to get it out of the repos?
[05:01] <netmonk> mjg59, above  /etc/init.d/acpid start is writen #Other half of the hideous hack. Do you want me to put "sleep 10" betwin these two lines?
[05:02] <mjg59> netmonk: Yes
[05:02] <thoreauputic> crack: decompress the themes tar.gz in ~/.gkrellm2/themes
[05:02] <thoreauputic> that's where they live ;)
[05:02] <crack> oh k
[05:02] <netmonk> mjg59, actualy it says /etc/init.d/acpid start >/dev/nul 2>&1. is that ok?
[05:03] <mjg59> netmonk: Is it null rather than nul?
[05:03] <mjg59> If so, yes
[05:04] <netmonk> mjg59,  its null
[05:04] <magneto> crack: gdesklets can be found in repos
[05:04] <mjg59> netmonk: Ok, and could you edit /etc/acpi/prepare.sh and after /etc/init.d/acpid stop >/dev/null 2>&1 add
[05:04] <crack> yea i got it
[05:04] <mjg59> killall acpid
[05:04] <crack> thoreauputic, i cant find my gkrellm folder
[05:04] <crack> thoreauputic, im looking
[05:05] <crack> got it
[05:05] <thoreauputic> dot gkrellm  >>>>  ~/.gkrellm2
[05:05] <crack> yea i used which
[05:05] <netmonk> mjg59, on the same line or a new line?
[05:05] <mjg59> netmonk: On a new line
[05:05] <thoreauputic> crack: no, which finds the executable !
[05:06] <netmonk> mjg59,  done
[05:06] <crack> oh
[05:06] <mjg59> netmonk: Ok, now try fn+f3 again
[05:06] <crack> so its not in usr/bin?
[05:06] <thoreauputic> crack: you want the hidden file in your home directory
[05:06] <crack> oh
[05:06] <crack> kk
[05:06] <thoreauputic> crack: read the path I gave you above ^^^^
[05:07] <mjg59> netmonk: And then see if the power button wakes it without shutting it down
[05:07] <thoreauputic>  ~/.gkrellm2/themes
[05:07] <crack> hmm
[05:07] <crack> weird cmd
[05:07] <crack> how do i find the hidden file tho?
[05:07] <crack> its not showing up
[05:07] <Gwildor_> ctrl-h
[05:08] <thoreauputic> crack: cd to that dir in a terminal and then do an `ls`
[05:08] <netmonk> mjg59, it woke up but it's shutting down now
[05:08] <mjg59> netmonk: Pff.
[05:08] <mjg59> netmonk: Ok, I don't have time to look at this further now - need to go and teach
[05:08] <Gwildor_> crack, ctrl-h
[05:09] <netmonk> mjg59, ok! you did a lot. Thank you very much
[05:09] <mjg59> netmonk: If you want to disable the shutting down, just do mv /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh.bak
[05:10] <crack> hmm
[05:10] <mjg59> Then suspend to RAM ought to work correctly for now
[05:10] <netmonk> mjg59, thanks a lot. have fun teaching ;)
[05:11] <crack> not so easy
[05:11] <crack> my terminal wont let me get out of desktop when i cd
[05:12] <crack> unless i go to pictures
[05:12] <crack> its weird
[05:12] <crack> ill get it
[05:12] <crack> got it
[05:13] <crack> thoreauputic, i got it
[05:13] <crack> however,
[05:13] <fabiand> Hey, I can't find the place for software proposals ... does someone know where it is!?
[05:13] <crack> using the terminal
[05:14] <crack> i dont know how to decompress it
[05:14] <thoreauputic> crack: it's a tar.gz , right?
[05:14] <crack> yea
[05:14] <crack> so
[05:14] <crack> sudo tar xzvf gkrellm2.tar.gz.386
[05:14] <crack> right?
[05:14] <thoreauputic> tar xvzf <nameof.targz>
[05:15] <thoreauputic> yep
[05:15] <crack> kk
[05:15] <thoreauputic> crack: err no
[05:15] <thoreauputic> that doesn't look like a  tar.gz >>>   gkrellm2.tar.gz.386
[05:16] <thoreauputic> is it your themes tarball?
[05:16] <crack> i just added the 386
[05:16] <crack> for no reason
[05:16] <thoreauputic> why?
[05:16] <crack> i know what you want me to do
[05:16] <thoreauputic> ok
[05:17] <crack> ok the cmd
[05:17] <crack> do i move it to the themes directory first?
[05:17] <crack> then decompress it?
[05:18] <thoreauputic> crack: it will probably make a directory of its own when you decompress it - you can move the contents into the themes dir
[05:18] <crack> ok
[05:18] <crack> so
[05:18] <crack> i need to tar it where its at
[05:18] <crack> then move it to the themes dir?
[05:19] <Gwildor_> crack, I guess you could just untar it into the correct directory, or drag and drop it
[05:19] <crack> yep
[05:20] <crack> gonna try a drag and drop now
[05:21] <yopo> q tal
[05:22] <thoreauputic> crack: you don't need sudo to do tar xvzf
[05:22] <poin__t> any 3ware users?
[05:22] <yopo> q es eso?
[05:22] <zenwhen> where do deps downloaded by apt wind up being stored?
[05:22] <zenwhen> debs*
[05:22] <crack> k
[05:23] <opi> zenwhen: /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:23] <crack> thoreauputic, i got it untar'd however now i dont know how to move it
[05:23] <yopo> alguien q hable espaol?
[05:23] <zenwhen> thanks
[05:23] <thoreauputic> crack: where have you untarred it?
[05:23] <crack> in my home
[05:24] <thoreauputic> crack: have you worked out how to get nautilus to show your hidden directories?
[05:24] <crack> no
[05:25] <thoreauputic> try ctrl-h
[05:25] <crack> k
[05:25] <crack> i hit it
[05:25] <Gwildor_> crack, I already said that
[05:25] <crack> i did it earlier too
[05:25] <crack> still no
[05:25] <Gwildor_> hmmm
[05:26] <Gwildor_> are you in nautalus
[05:26] <Gwildor_> how ever you spell it
[05:26] <Gwildor_> go to home in nautalis
[05:26] <crack> i got it
[05:26] <crack> had to do it when it was open
[05:26] <Gwildor_> kk,:)
[05:26] <Gwildor_> that's where I was going
[05:27] <thoreauputic> crack: once you can see the dirs, you should be able to drag and drop the contents to the .gkrellm2/themes directory
[05:28] <crack> i got it
[05:28] <crack> do i have to restart gkrellm for it to take?
[05:28] <thoreauputic> crack: I expect so, yes
[05:28] <crack> kk hang on
[05:29] <thoreauputic> crack: then right click on gkrellm and look in configuration, and there should be more themes in there than you could ever use ... heheh :)
[05:30] <crack> yea i just cant figure out how to get them to work
[05:30] <thoreauputic> are you looking in "configuration" for gkrellm?
[05:31] <crack> yep
[05:31] <crack> sure am
[05:31] <thoreauputic> right click near the top and choose configuration, then choose themes
[05:32] <crack> i did
[05:32] <thoreauputic> there should be a list of themes - you just hghlight one and apply it
[05:32] <crack> i see
[05:32] <crack> its a weird way to apply it
[05:32] <crack> not that i was doing it wrong
[05:32] <crack> just down at the bottom left you have like 5 themes
[05:33] <crack> none of them get rid of the ugly grey
[05:34] <crack> i was hoping to get rid of the ugly grey
[05:34] <thoreauputic> crack: if you dont have a sh*tload of themes in the themes area of "configuration", you havent got the decompressed themes in the right directory, or the permissions are wrong
[05:34] <crack> ok
[05:35] <thoreauputic> crack: do:   cd /home/crack/.gkrellm2   then do  ls -l themes to see if they are there and see the permissions
[05:35] <crack> i think i did it wrong
[05:35] <crack> i put the tar file in there
[05:35] <crack> not the actual theme
[05:35] <thoreauputic> I think so too
[05:36] <Gwildor_> thoreauputic, crack, I think it was untarred with sudo, does that ma ke a difference, ie set permisions to root?
[05:36] <crack> got it
[05:36] <Gwildor_> oh, NVM
[05:36] <thoreauputic> you put all the decompressed themes in there
[05:36] <crack> thoreauputic, thanks bro
[05:36] <crack> thoreauputic, again
[05:36] <crack> its hot now
[05:36] <crack> i like it now
[05:36] <thoreauputic> Gwildor, yes I was concerned about the sudo thing too
[05:37] <thoreauputic> crack: working?
[05:37] <crack> yep
[05:37] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:37] <thoreauputic> yay!!
[05:37] <crack> now i need to get some themes for gaim
[05:37] <thoreauputic> try the invisible theme if you've got it
[05:38] <crack> i dont have it
[05:38] <crack> i want it
[05:38] <thoreauputic> rats
[05:38] <thoreauputic> crack: are you sure?
[05:39] <crack> wheyea
[05:39] <thoreauputic> crack: I can dcc it to you if you like
[05:39] <crack> dcc
[05:39] <crack> go ahead
[05:40] <thoreauputic> hmm.. hang on it's a directory,,,
[05:40] <crack> k
[05:42] <thoreauputic> crack: hmm... it doesn't want to send
[05:42] <thoreauputic> crack: I'll see if I can upload it to a url
[05:44] <crack> thats fine
[05:44] <crack> you dont have to
[05:45] <thoreauputic> crack: heh - I just did... have you found it there or what?
[05:46] <crack> im going
[05:47] <crack> where is it at?
[05:47] <crack> url?
[05:47] <thoreauputic>  http://interlink.webhop.org/invisible
[05:47] <crack> my screen looks pretty hot now
[05:48] <crack> thoreauputic, which file?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> crack: that url has all the files for the invisible theme - they need to live in a dir called invisible
[05:48] <socomm> crack: hot?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> crack: all the files
[05:49] <crack> so create a dir
[05:49] <crack> called invisible
[05:49] <crack> then
[05:49] <thoreauputic> in themes
[05:49] <crack> drag them
[05:49] <crack> kk
[05:50] <thoreauputic> notice there's a subdir called net as well
[05:51] <thoreauputic> it woud be easier to just find the theme somwhere else, really :/
[05:51] <thoreauputic> *somewhere
[05:51] <crack> yea
[05:51] <crack> im workin on getting them
[05:51] <crack> however
[05:51] <crack> how do i suck all them in?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> crack: I got mine in a single tarball from the gkrellm site, I think
[05:52] <crack> k
[05:52] <thoreauputic> crack: it's been a while, so I don't remember exactly
[05:52] <crack> im just wondering how to get those files off ftp
[05:53] <crack> nobiggie
[05:53] <crack> i will get them
[05:53] <crack> from gkrellm
[05:54] <mozrat> Hey guys, is anyone running the PPC version of ubuntu here?
[05:54] <JorisK> hello everyone, is there an log file that logs all startup info???
[05:54] <JorisK> hello everyone, is there an log file that logs all startup info???
[05:54] <JorisK> oops sry
[05:54] <JorisK> anyone?
[05:54] <mozrat> JorisK: normally all kept in /var/log
[05:55] <mozrat> messages
[05:55] <mozrat> kernel.log
[05:55] <mozrat> dmesg
[05:55] <crack> its not on muhri
[05:55] <mozrat> I think they would all have some trace of the system starting in them
[05:55] <crack> thoreauputic, its not on muhri
[05:56] <Tyche> ogra or treenaks you here?
[05:57] <JorisK> thanks mozrat, i found dmesg
[05:57] <JorisK> :)
[05:57] <hbillo_> what have I to install in order to listen mp3
[05:57] <mozrat> JorisK: np
[05:57] <crack> hbillo use xmms
[05:58] <crack> hbillo_, use xmms
[05:58] <Tyche> Anyone know kernel?
[06:00] <crack> hbillo_, do u have xmms?
[06:00] <hbillo_> crack, i'm installing it
[06:00] <crack> k
[06:01] <crack> anyone know of a good movie player that has mpeg and wmv support?
[06:02] <mozrat> xine is good for mpeg, dunno about wmv
[06:02] <crack> i need something for my porn... lolz
[06:02] <mozrat> tee-hee
[06:02] <socomm> crack: mplayer
[06:02] <crack> k
[06:03] <crack> repos?
[06:03] <crack> is it in the repos?
[06:03] <mozrat> there used to be a debian package called pornview it was really handy
[06:03] <crack> lol
[06:03] <socomm> crack: doubtful.
[06:03] <crack> k
[06:03] <crack> gotta tar it then
[06:03] <crack> right?
[06:03] <mozrat> mplayer is good, but a PITA to get hold of sometimes
[06:03] <socomm> mozrat: that's just an image viewer.
[06:03] <thoreauputic> crack: it's in the Marillat repository
[06:04] <crack> k
[06:04] <thoreauputic> crack: the details are on the Ubuntu site
[06:04] <crack> its not in any of the repos
[06:04] <socomm> bonobo: mplayer
[06:04] <bonobo> : for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:04] <thoreauputic> probably under "break my ubuntu" heheh
[06:04] <mozrat> socomm: I thought it handled movie files as well.. says so on packages.debian.org
[06:04] <crack> at least
[06:05] <crack> thats what apt is saying
[06:05] <mozrat> http://packages.debian.org/testing/utils/pornview
[06:05] <socomm> mozrat: not that I know of.
[06:05] <thoreauputic> crack: you need to add a repo
[06:05] <thoreauputic> crack: see what bonobo reported ^^
[06:06] <mozrat> so does anyone use ubuntu-ppc ?
[06:06] <socomm> mozrat: guess they've added xine support.
[06:06] <crack> bonobo?
[06:06] <nat1> I'm trying to write an iso image with nautilus and it says there is not 695 mb of free cd space, even though it is a 700 mb cd
[06:06] <crack> thoreauputic, bonobo?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> crack: I could dcc you my gkrellm tarball - it has the invisible theme in it
[06:06] <socomm> crack follow the following link.
 : for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:06] <socomm> bonobo: mplayer
[06:06] <mozrat> socomm: essential for the discerning pr0n fan
[06:06] <bonobo> : for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <nat1> how do I burn an iso image to cd in ubuntu?
[06:07] <socomm> bonobo: cdrecord
[06:08] <socomm> nat1: you'll need to use cdrecord.
[06:08] <crack> im accepting it
[06:08] <crack> thoreauputic, im accepting it
[06:08] <thoreauputic> crack: that tarball has all the themes
[06:08] <thoreauputic> OK
[06:08] <crack> it says waiting
[06:08] <crack> k its comin in
[06:09] <thoreauputic> crack: you'll want to wipe your existing ones and redo the procedure
[06:09] <crack> wipe
[06:09] <crack> ?
[06:09] <crack> i never got the other ones
[06:09] <thoreauputic> crack: it's going to take a while: I'm on dilup here ;/
[06:09] <crack> lol i see
[06:10] <crack> rofl, slow conn
[06:10] <crack> thoreauputic, are you sending me all your skins?
[06:10] <thoreauputic> crack: no laughing matter, I assure you
[06:10] <thoreauputic> crack: yup
[06:10] <crack> wow
[06:10] <crack> kk
[06:11] <crack> thoreauputic, what do u use for antivirus?
[06:11] <socomm> nat1: if you'd like a nice frontend for cdrecord, try K3B.
[06:11] <thoreauputic> you don't need antivirus for linux
[06:11] <crack> even for emails?
[06:11] <kiko> hey there
[06:11] <crack> kiko, hi
[06:12] <thoreauputic> crack: viruses for linux are *very* rare and even the ones that exist are weak
[06:12] <Agrajag> crack: emails? you mean for an email server that serves out email to windows machines?
[06:12] <socomm> crack: Only reason why you would need an AV program would be to filter emails to Win32 machines.
[06:12] <Agrajag> because almost all email viruses out there are not only specific to Windows, they are specific to Microsoft Outlook
[06:13] <thoreauputic> crack: you only need antivir for servers that handle windows networks etc
[06:13] <thoreauputic> crack: http://www.c4vct.com/kym/humor/outlook.htm
[06:13] <socomm> thoreauputic: windows != microsoft
[06:13] <thoreauputic> that's funny ^^
[06:13] <Tyche> For a Laptop with a Centrino 1700 processor, should I be using the 686 kernel?
[06:14] <thoreauputic> socomm: OK fair enough :)
[06:14] <Agrajag> yes
[06:14] <Agrajag> 686 is anything past a PII
[06:14] <socomm> Tyche: yes.
[06:14] <Agrajag> and paybe even pentium pro, I don't remember
[06:14] <Agrajag> s/paybe/maybe/
[06:14] <kiko> guys, one question.
[06:14] <Tyche> socomm: so I can choose that in synaptic right? I think that is what I did and not my grub has the 386 and the 686 options.
[06:15] <crack> gotcha
[06:15] <crack> thoreauputic, thanks
[06:15] <kiko> xchat isn't creating .xchat2/serverlist.conf, nor can I save my new server list. any hints as to why?
[06:15] <Tyche> socomm: can I delete the 386 lines that I do not need now? Is there a way to tell what kernel I am running?
[06:15] <Agrajag> kiko: what are the permissions on .xchat2?
[06:15] <Agrajag> Tyche: "uname -a
[06:15] <Agrajag> "uname -a"
[06:15] <socomm> Tyche: yes.
[06:16] <kiko> Agrajag, me-writeable, as they should be
[06:16] <Agrajag> kiko: Well there goes my idea then
[06:16] <kiko> it's weird, because all other files are created
[06:16] <kiko> this is stock warty xchat2
[06:16] <Agrajag> Tyche: that should return something like: "Linux Discordia 2.6.8.1-3-686 #1 Tue Oct 12 13:10:36 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux"
[06:16] <Tyche> Socomm & agrajag: I am now running 2.6.8.1-3-686
[06:16] <socomm> kiko: try touching serverlist.conf
[06:17] <kiko> I did, it's never written to. is there a save serverlist button I'm missing?
[06:17] <socomm> Tyche: once you install the new kernel you'll have to reboot for it to take effect.
[06:17] <nat1> how do I figure out what device my cd burner is?
[06:17] <socomm> kiko: dunno.
[06:17] <Tyche> Socomm: Correct. I'm running it now, can I remove the 386 lines from my grubconf? Will I ever have need to load that one instead?
[06:18] <Agrajag> Tyche: no, you won't
[06:18] <socomm> Tyche: sure, though I'd keep it for system recovery sake.
[06:19] <Quazion> nat1 you could look in /proc/ide and check files like model on all devices to see which is which :)
[06:19] <Agrajag> true, though the odds of -386 working when -686 doesn't are slim
[06:19] <Quazion> root@blackhole:/proc/ide/hdc # cat model
[06:19] <Quazion> LITE-ON LTR-24102B
[06:19] <Quazion> i get something like this on my cdwriter, i know its a lite-on :)
[06:19] <socomm> nat1: `less /etc/fstab | grep cdrom' that should give you your cdroms device entry.
[06:20] <socomm> nat1: my CD-Rom is `/dev/hdb'
[06:21] <nat1> so when I put "dev=x" into the cdrecord command line, I put dev/dev/hda?
[06:21] <nat1> i mean
[06:21] <nat1> dev=/dev/hda, assuming it's hda
[06:21] <socomm> hda is usually your hard drive, but yes that entry does look right.
[06:21] <nat1> sean@ubuntu:~ $ less /etc/fstab |grep cdrom
[06:21] <nat1> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[06:22] <socomm> nat1: yes looks right, give it a whirl.
[06:22] <nat1> for some reason it says the cd burner is a
[06:22] <nat1> cool
[06:23] <nat1> it's working
[06:23] <nat1> thanks
[06:23] <socomm> Don't mention it.
[06:27] <thoreauputic> crack: you should have it now
[06:29] <thoreauputic> crack: check under settings --> preferences --> file transfers to see your default dcc directory if you don't know it already
[06:30] <Tyche> Socomm: This scares me...I do not remember how I upgraded to the 686 kernel. Do you know the package name in synaptic that would have done it?
[06:31] <Agrajag> kernel-686 I think
[06:31] <Agrajag> or maybe it was linux-686
[06:31] <sm> linux-686
[06:31] <Agrajag> let me check
[06:31] <Agrajag> oh ok
[06:31] <sm> morning all
[06:32] <Tyche> linux-image-2.6-686
[06:32] <Agrajag> woa there's a k7 kernel, I never noticed
[06:33] <Agrajag> I'd imagine that's better than 686 for an athlon xp
[06:33] <loz> hi.  I cant seem to get my alsa stuff working.  the oss driver works, but alsa - no.  I don't think it's even configure as I can't see any configuration files in /etc/ for my card
[06:34] <Tyche> on my / there is a couple files initrd.img and now a initrd.img.old the same thing with vmlinuz
[06:34] <sm> has anyone here managed a sarge -> hoary upgrade ?
[06:35] <sm> my x session doesn't start a window manager
[06:35] <Agrajag> Tyche: vmlinuz is a link to your kernel image, initrd a link to the initial ramdisk image ubuntu uses to boot
[06:35] <Agrajag> the .old ones are probably from upgrading your kernel'
[06:35] <Agrajag> from 386 to 686
[06:35] <Tyche> Agrajag: Are they needed? What would I use them for?
[06:36] <Agrajag> um, booting?
[06:36] <Agrajag> actually probably not
[06:36] <Agrajag> but I'm sure they're there for a reason
[06:37] <socomm> Tyche: if you plan on getting rid of your old kernel image than you'll probably want to remove the *.old files, which are probably there for your old kernel's image boot process.
[06:37] <thoreauputic> if you hold <shift> during boot you should get a menu of available kernels to boot
[06:38] <Agrajag> socomm: I doubt they're there for the boot process
[06:38] <Agrajag> the ones in /boot are
[06:38] <Agrajag> these are just symlinks on /
[06:38] <socomm> Agrajag: yes, just symlinks.
[06:39] <socomm> thoreauputic: isn't that lilo, I think grub you'll have to press [ESC] .
[06:39] <crack> thoreauputic, ok i will check
[06:39] <thoreauputic> socomm: ah yes, sorry, my bad
[06:39] <thoreauputic> socomm: I have lilo here :)
[06:39] <crack> thoreauputic, i dont know where to go for settings tho
[06:40] <thoreauputic> in xchat, it's at the top  or in the main menu bar
[06:40] <thoreauputic> xchat    IRC   Settings  Window Help
[06:41] <Tyche> Socomm: In the grub they point to /boot/<image file> not to the /
[06:41] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=19557#post19557
[06:41] <thoreauputic> crack: you might find it's  in the .xchat2 dir in your home directory
[06:41] <Tyche> Socomm: Doesn't matter either way, I was just curious.
[06:41] <crack> i got it
[06:42] <crack> thoreauputic, holy shit.... thats alot of themes
[06:43] <thoreauputic> crack: heheh yup :)
[06:43] <crack> can i drag and drop those in their format or do ihave to untar all of them?
[06:43] <crack> i think i have to untar all of them
[06:43] <thoreauputic> crack: have you done the tar xvzf on the tarball?
[06:43] <crack> not yet
[06:43] <crack> lol
[06:44] <crack> is there a blanket command for all the files in the dir?
[06:44] <thoreauputic> crack: you'll work it out :)
[06:45] <Tyche> Socomm and Agrajag: thanks for all your help.
[06:46] <thoreauputic> afk
[06:46] <sm> woot! ubuntu is up
[06:47] <Tyche> What do the linux-headers do?
[06:48] <SirG1> Hm..... I've been trying to get MOL working, I've got it installed as per http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MacOnLinuxHowto but it says it can't find mol-drivers-macosx
[06:48] <SirG1> (when I tried to get that package)
[06:49] <socomm> Tyche: they allow you to compile programs that link against the kernel.
[06:50] <Tyche> Socomm: Oh, okay. Won't be needing those! =)
[06:50] <socomm> Tyche: Yeah, if you don't have an nvidia card you won't.
[06:57] <dablitz> can I ask a tupid question
[06:57] <dablitz> stupid question
[06:57] <crack> thoreauputic, it says i dont have permissions
[06:58] <crack> when i go to install the invisible theme
[06:58] <crack> you know when i drag it
[06:58] <crack> already untarred it too
[06:58] <crack> weird
[06:59] <thoreauputic> crack: you might need to change the permissions ( chmod)
[06:59] <dablitz> I am trying to get my floppy to mount on boot, but when I edit my fstab so that it is suppost to, it will not mount. I have to mount it manually
[06:59] <dablitz> can someone help mw out
[06:59] <thoreauputic> crack: I bet you used sudo when you untarred it, am I right?
[06:59] <crack> ok
[06:59] <crack> maybe
[06:59] <crack> i dont remember
[07:00] <crack> i will try it without sudo
[07:00] <thoreauputic> crack: well, sudo gives root rights, so don't use it to untar
[07:00] <dablitz> and then the only way i can get access to it is as root
[07:01] <thoreauputic> crack: else you run the risk of setting all the permissions to root - which makes it inaccessible to users
[07:02] <crack> ok how do i uninstall it?
[07:02] <crack> thoreauputic, how do i get rid of the prior decompress?
[07:02] <thoreauputic> crack: just delete it with sudo rm
[07:03] <crack> sudo rm?
[07:03] <thoreauputic> if you need to delete a lot, use rm -r
[07:03] <crack> do i need to be in the directory where invisible is?
[07:04] <crack> then use the command sudo delete rm-r
[07:04] <crack> ?
[07:04] <socomm> dablitz: add rw to your fstab.
[07:04] <supos> crack: man rm
[07:04] <thoreauputic> crack: yes, cd to the directory, then rm
[07:04] <crack> where?
[07:04] <crack> ah k
[07:05] <thoreauputic> crack: we can't tell you *everything* ;)
[07:05] <dablitz> i will do that thatnks
[07:06] <crack> thoreauputic, im in the directory, it wont delete
[07:06] <thoreauputic> crack: read the man page or go to http://linuxcommand.org/  and read up :)
[07:06] <Agrajag> Teach a man rm, and he will delete everything on his disk. Teach a man man, and he will teach himself.
[07:06] <crack> lol
[07:06] <SirG1> lol
[07:06] <SirG1> impressive Agrajag :-D
[07:06] <crack> thanks agra
[07:06] <crack> nice guy
[07:06] <crack> lol
[07:07] <SirG1> I've had fun before going through and deleting Mac OS X system files w/ rm seeing how many I could delete before it died ;)
[07:08] <crack> well
[07:08] <crack> i cant delete it
[07:08] <crack> so
[07:08] <crack> it will stay like that until i get it
[07:08] <thoreauputic> crack: ---->  sudo delete rm-r   <--- not what I said , is it? it's your strange interpretation
[07:09] <thoreauputic> you just use rm
[07:09] <crack> i figured out the delete part
[07:09] <crack> lol
[07:09] <crack> i just did
[07:09] <crack> im getting it
[07:09] <supos> crack: rm is a command that deletes (removes) files. The syntax is "rm 'file you want to delete'"
[07:09] <crack> just taking time
[07:10] <crack> now, it wont take the delete cmd
[07:10] <crack> i will keep digging
[07:10] <supos> crack: if you want to delete a directory and everything in it, you must use the '-r' (for recursively) parameter like this "rm -r 'directory you want to delete'"
[07:10] <panickedthumb> dataw0lf: you there? I just got your message on the forums
[07:11] <crack> yea i am digging
[07:11] <crack> it will eventually work with everything i am trying
[07:11] <crack> it just doesnt like sudo delete
[07:11] <supos> crack: Now, as a normal user, you don't have permission to delete files belonging to root (the super-user), so you must use sudo, which lets you execute a command as the super-user
[07:12] <supos> crack: delete is not a command!
[07:12] <crack> lol
[07:12] <supos> crack: Read what I just wrote to you
[07:12] <crack> k
[07:13] <SirG1> Anyone here know why the package mol-drivers-macosx isn't showing up in Synaptic.. I've tried refreshing too... Universal is enabled and mol-drivers-macos and mol-drivers-linux and mol are showing :-/
[07:13] <MrKrystal> hi
[07:13] <Kamion> SirG1: it's not been ported to the Ubuntu kernels
[07:13] <socomm> SirG1: they most likely aren't in the default repos.
[07:14] <MrKrystal> i'd like to know what are the difference between debian and ubuntu ?
[07:14] <SirG1> hm... must fix that typo heh, name should be SirG3 ;)
[07:14] <SirG1> socomm: could have sworn I saw it in there yesterday?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> crack: bookmark these:  http://linuxcommand.org/   and  http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[07:15] <supos> crack: So, to sum it up: 'sudo rm -r somedirectory', will execute the command 'rm -r somedirectory' as root (the super-user). Now, 'rm -r somedirectory' removes somedirectory recursively, which is what you want
[07:15] <crack> i have
[07:15] <socomm> MrKrystal: Ubuntu == Debian Unstable, If I'm not mistaken.
[07:15] <MrKrystal> socomm: so ? What the need of another distro ?
[07:16] <supos> crack: now if you do 'sudo rm -rf /', you will delete everything on your harddisk - so don't do that.
[07:16] <Agrajag> MrKrystal: ubuntu is easier to install, and easier for the average neevr-touched-linux-before user to install and use
[07:16] <d0gmaz> i dont understand many distro's use debian as a base, but debian itself never updates anything still the dusty woody release 2002
[07:16] <thoreauputic> socomm: not exactly - for instance sid doesn't have gnome 2.8
[07:16] <thoreauputic> d0gmaz: that's wildly inaccurate
[07:16] <Gwildor_> d0gmaz, new debian released early next year
[07:17] <crack> thank you guys
[07:17] <crack> got it
[07:17] <thoreauputic> d0gmaz: there are three branches of debian
[07:17] <FTTP> does hoary have a different grub slashscreen?
[07:17] <Gwildor_> different?
[07:17] <FTTP> i mean does it have one period :P
[07:17] <Kamion> thoreauputic: gnome 2.8> ... yet
[07:17] <MrKrystal> thoreauputic: what the need of bleeding edge package. is gnome 2.6 bad ? o;o
[07:18] <Gwildor_> lol, I don't think so, unless it got one in the last few days
[07:18] <SirG1> /close
[07:18] <thoreauputic> MrKrystal: don't ask me - ask the Ubuntu devevlopers ;)
[07:18] <FTTP> gwildor:  See i updated with hoary but i was wondering if they added one, if that would automatically be changed or would i need to configure such manually?
[07:18] <socomm> MrKrystal: No, some of use just like to live on the edge ;^).
[07:18] <MrKrystal> d0gmaz: you're wrong sid updates every day
[07:18] <socomm> thoreauputic: how about testing?
[07:18] <FTTP> gwildor:  Would that need a manual update if they did add one or would be it be changed with the apt get?
[07:19] <Gwildor_> fttp, oh, well if it does, I don't have one yet
[07:19] <FTTP> gwildor no im saying when they do add one
[07:19] <Gwildor_> fttp, nor do I know how to set it up, newb :)
[07:19] <crack> thoreauputic, invisible is pretty cool
[07:19] <Gwildor_> fttp, oh
[07:19] <MrKrystal> socomm: they should use gentoo then because afai read on ubuntu site, new version every 6 month isn't what i call "bleeding edge distro
[07:19] <thoreauputic> crack: ah, you worked it out? Good man! :)
[07:19] <socomm> MrKrystal: I think Ubuntu is just debian unstable stablized.
[07:19] <crack> yea supos helped
[07:19] <Kamion> MrKrystal: you're welcome to use the development branch if you want
[07:20] <MrKrystal> socomm: sounds frightenin.... ;p
[07:20] <Kamion> MrKrystal: (at your own risk, of course)
[07:20] <socomm> That's what I'm using.
[07:20] <linux_mafia> MrKrystal, what do you mean bleeding edge? gnome 2.8 is the latest stable gnome release
[07:20] <socomm> MrKrystal: there are other distros out there ....
[07:20] <MrKrystal> Kamion: then anything different from sid ?
[07:20] <FTTP> is one of the goals of ubuntu to be a true consumer desktop os?
[07:21] <FTTP> i mean as much as it can be
[07:21] <neill> 'as much as it can be'?
[07:21] <FTTP> or does it just want to be a more stabalized debian with gnome?
[07:21] <crack> supos, thanks
[07:21] <FTTP> neill some will claim it will never
[07:21] <Kamion> MrKrystal: yes, you can subscribe to the hoary-changes mailing list to see the Ubuntu-specific changes being made
[07:21] <FTTP> i dont claim that
[07:21] <KneelBeforeXorg> FTTP: are you going to start telling ubuntu what to do now?
[07:21] <FTTP> but some do :(
[07:21] <FTTP> kneel:  Huh?
[07:21] <FTTP> kneel:  Im just saying if thats one of the goals
[07:21] <Kamion> FTTP: yes, but not to the exclusion of all else (so, not *just* a desktop operating system)
[07:22] <FTTP> knell errr "asking"
[07:22] <linux_mafia> anyone using vmware?
[07:22] <Agrajag> it's designed to be good for both desktop and server use
[07:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> FTTP: every time I hear someone opine about a free software project's goals, I reach for my revolver
[07:22] <crack> linux_mafia, no i dual boot
[07:22] <KneelBeforeXorg> linux_mafia: you're no rick moen!
[07:22] <crack> lol
[07:23] <crack> KneelBeforeXorg, ROFL
[07:23] <linux_mafia> KneelBeforeXorg, nah, i'm esr's half brother
[07:23] <KneelBeforeXorg> linux_mafia: you poor ting
[07:23] <linux_mafia> heh
[07:24] <FTTP> Kamion:  I mean tho...... not in terms of server vs desktop........ like you know how some distros like gentoo are for people who want to know the internals and self configure stuff
[07:24] <SirG1> Very odd, why would I be showing as SirG1 when I clearly typed SirG3 into gaim's account setup?
[07:24] <Agrajag> SirG1: someone else is using the name SirG3
[07:24] <socomm> who's rick moen?
[07:25] <moj0> can someone help me?
[07:25] <Agrajag> apparently it's you
[07:25] <moj0> I really need help
[07:25] <thoreauputic> socomm: http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/
[07:25] <Agrajag> [SirG3]  (~Joe@syr-24-59-91-123.twcny.rr.com) : gaim
[07:25] <SirG1> Agrajag: odd...... maybe I left gaim running on my winbox :-P
[07:25] <Agrajag> seems like it
[07:25] <SirG1> woops ;)
[07:25] <seb128> moj0: don't ask to ask, just ask
[07:25] <linux_mafia> well maybe someone can help me anyway, i want to install vmware, when it comes to compiling the modules, it states the kernel was built with gcc 3.3.4, but warty/hoary only have gcc 3.3.5, i tried anyway, but it causes instabilty, just wondering what to do?
[07:26] <SirG3> ah, thanks much Agrajag :-D
[07:26] <socomm> moj0: sorry but our in house psychiatrist is out. :^P
[07:26] <linux_mafia> i guess i could recompile using newer gcc, or install older one, but both will be a pita
[07:26] <FTTP> quick question:  I have hoary that i used apt get update and apt get distro_upgrade for........ which command do i use to update with new hoary packages?
[07:26] <moj0> The locale of RealPlayer "stunt" the program
[07:27] <moj0> with Helix Player, local UTF8 is ignored, so it runs well
[07:27] <FTTP> i changed the name of hoary already in the file
[07:27] <FTTP> from last time :P
[07:27] <Tyche> socomm: You need a non-trained in house psychiatrist? I have a baseball bat...will that help?
[07:27] <moj0> but RealPLayer is different
[07:27] <moj0> has anyone come up solution for this?
[07:27] <socomm> moj0: stunt?
[07:27] <hjkl> anyone else had problems with the locale enviroment variables?
[07:27] <Kamion> moj0: does it work with a non-UTF-8 locale?
[07:27] <moj0> Kamion: not at all
[07:28] <Tyche> I'll be right back...rebooting.
[07:28] <moj0> Kamion: with Helix, np
[07:28] <dablitz> ok putting rw in my fstab did not work
[07:28] <FTTP> kamion how do i upgrade my hoary packages with the latest ones?
[07:28] <moj0> "stunt" here is meant the program don't start up but don't show up any error output
[07:28] <dablitz> help please
[07:28] <thoreauputic> FTTP: your question is unclear - do you want to know how to install new apps? or what?
[07:28] <Kamion> moj0: well, RealPlayer is non-free software without source, so your only recourse if you suspect that it is broken would be to contact the company that develops it
[07:28] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  I want to see if there are updated hoary files
[07:29] <dataw0lf> panickedthumb: trying to speak with me?
[07:29] <moj0> Kamion: I wish I can JUST submit a bug for this, the Helix Community is so shit
[07:29] <FTTP> thoreauputic:   i already upgraded with hoary, but i want to try the new hoary development files if any
[07:29] <thoreauputic> FTTP: well, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:29] <FTTP> thanks
[07:29] <moj0> Kamion: I've already registered for a month, they still don't give me right to submit bugs
[07:29] <Kamion> moj0: it's not really fair to burden the Ubuntu community with problems created by non-free software that we have no way of supporting, though
[07:30] <moj0> Kamion: Helix Community is very UN-open!
[07:30] <moj0> Kamion: I know
[07:30] <moj0> Kamion: but the thing here is RealPlayer run well on Sarge, then it should work well with Hoary
[07:30] <FTTP> thoreaupitic:  14 new files :)
[07:30] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Looks like they did modify em
[07:30] <moj0> Kamion: I think ....maybe Hoary pb??
[07:31] <Kamion> moj0: Hoary defaults to using a UTF-8 locale
[07:31] <lamont_r> moj0: not necessarily
[07:31] <thoreauputic> FTTP: of course - it's in a state of flux :)
[07:31] <linux_mafia> moj0, it works fine for me, whats your problem with it, i missed it
[07:31] <Kamion> moj0: compare the output of 'locale' to the contents of /etc/locale.gen, and make sure that the locale you're using has been generated
[07:31] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  I dont need to do the dist-upgrade anymore right?
[07:31] <moj0> Kamion: true, that's why I said it's weird
[07:31] <FTTP> thats only if one were to go from warty to hoary in the first place right?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> FTTP: you can - it will work to update to the latest
[07:32] <Gwildor_>  fttp, only if you want to, when new updates come out, or new bugs
[07:32] <moj0> en_US UTF8
[07:32] <Kamion> moj0: if you're attempting to use an ungenerated locale, then all sorts of things will break; fix it by using 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' and making sure the locale you're trying to use has been selected
[07:32] <Kamion> moj0: you mean "en_US.UTF-8"?
[07:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> PeachThief: are you the monkey?
[07:32] <moj0> yeh
[07:32] <FTTP> gildor + thoreaputic:  Im confused by the apt-get flags like upgrade, update, dist-upgrade, etc..
[07:32] <PeachThief> KneelBeforeXorg, why, what have you heard?
[07:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> PeachThief: I hear that monkey steals peach
[07:32] <Kamion> FTTP: man apt-get
[07:32] <FTTP> im not sure which each one is for
[07:32] <FTTP> ok thanks
[07:32] <FTTP> man apt-get
[07:32] <thoreauputic> FTTP: the important thing is to always do sudo apt-get update first to get the new list of stuff
[07:32] <FTTP> oops wrong window :)
[07:32] <linux_mafia> KneelBeforeXorg, no i am, my other alias is sun wu kong
[07:33] <Gwildor_> fttp, update, just makes sure that your sources are correct, kinda like hitting refresh ina browser
[07:33] <PeachThief> I find that hard to believe.
[07:33] <moj0> Kamion: here is the output root@MOJO:/home/mojo # realplay
[07:33] <moj0> (realplay.bin:26075): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[07:33] <moj0>         Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[07:33] <thoreauputic> FTTP: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html
[07:33] <Kamion> moj0: see my comment above about 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales', then
[07:33] <Gwildor_> fttp, upgrade upgrades the packages, and imnot really sure what dist-upgrade does, ive been told a few things
[07:34] <Kamion> Gwildor_: see the man page, it's clearly documented there
[07:34] <Gwildor_> fttp, one is that it is the same as synaptic smart upgrade, and 2 it is a force upgrade
[07:34] <panickedthumb> dataw0lf: you there? I just got your message on the forums
[07:34] <moj0> Kamion: bad bad bug I found here after reconfig
[07:34] <moj0> Kamion: I pchat with u
[07:34] <Gwildor_> kamion, windows box atm, which of my 2 is it?
[07:35] <dataw0lf> panickedthumb: aye.
[07:36] <PeachThief> hey
[07:36] <crack> anyone know of a good channel for music?
[07:36] <PeachThief> linux_mafia, are you rick moen?
[07:36] <dataw0lf> panickedthumb: priv me.
[07:37] <FTTP> ok so i see, synaptic and apt-get do the same thing right?
[07:37] <FTTP> and update = refresh
[07:37] <Kamion> moj0: no, please keep things on channel
[07:37] <FTTP> i got it now :)
[07:37] <thoreauputic> FTTP: yup
[07:37] <Gwildor_> fttp, yes
[07:37] <FTTP> gildor:  Ok how would in synaptic would i find new packages ?
[07:37] <FTTP> ill use synaptic since its easier :)
[07:38] <linux_mafia> PeachThief, no, thankfully, heh
[07:38] <Gwildor_> fttp, if I need 1 package apt-get, if I am looking for a package, or unsure of the name, synaptic
[07:38] <thoreauputic> FTTP: that's why you get an error if you have synaptic open when you try to use apt-get
[07:38] <PeachThief> thankfully?
[07:38] <FTTP> gwildor:  like...... im in synaptic now......... if i want to update packages
[07:38] <FTTP> only packages i have already
[07:38] <FTTP> how would i do that?
[07:38] <Kamion> Gwildor_: closer to the first
[07:38] <Gwildor_> mark all upgrades
[07:39] <thoreauputic> FTTP: synaptic is just a GUI fron-end for apt and dpkg
[07:39] <Gwildor_> I always do synaptic smart upgrade
[07:39] <moj0> Kamion: I got error when changing locales
[07:39] <moj0> root@MOJO:/home/mojo # dpkg-reconfigure locales
[07:39] <moj0> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[07:39] <moj0> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[07:39] <moj0>         LANGUAGE = "en_AU:en_GB:en_US:en",
[07:39] <moj0>         LC_ALL = (unset),
[07:39] <moj0>         LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[07:39] <moj0>     are supported and installed on your system.
[07:39] <Kamion> Gwildor_: it differs from 'upgrade' in that dist-upgrade is willing to add/remove packages
[07:39] <moj0> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[07:39] <moj0> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[07:39] <moj0> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[07:39] <Kamion> moj0: I asked you not to flood on this channel
[07:39] <moj0> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[07:39] <moj0> /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or director y
[07:39] <moj0> /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or direc tory
[07:39] <moj0> /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[07:39] <Gwildor_> kamion, ah...ok, thnx
[07:39] <moj0> Generating locales...
[07:39] <moj0> error: Bad entry 'en_US.UTF-8 '
[07:39] <moj0>   en_AU.UTF-8... done
[07:39] <moj0> Generation complete.
[07:39] <thoreauputic> moj0: for heaven's sake read the topic!!!
[07:39] <Gwildor_> moj0, stop it, #flood
[07:39] <moj0> Kamion: oopss. I didn't see the msg from u
[07:39] <moj0> Kamion: sorri
[07:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> linux_mafia: thankfully is an adverb
[07:40] <crack> hey, maybe mojo is rick moen
[07:40] <crack> lol
[07:40] <FTTP> ok got it :)
[07:40] <Gwildor_> lol
[07:40] <Kamion> moj0: sounds like you manually edited /etc/locale.gen and got it wrong
[07:40] <moj0> who the hell is rick 'moan'?
[07:40] <Kamion> moj0: delete the line you broke, and try again
[07:40] <crack> ROFL
[07:40] <KneelBeforeXorg> moj0: very clever.  Did you make that one up yourself?
[07:40] <PeachThief> I get it.
[07:41] <Gwildor_> really, who is rick moan?
[07:41] <KneelBeforeXorg> Gwildor_: linuxmafia.com
[07:41] <Gwildor_> kk
[07:41] <thoreauputic> http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/
[07:41] <dablitz> i would really like to get this floppy to mount automatically on boot. i have check mtab, and fstab, and all looks good
[07:41] <PeachThief> he is a perl script, I think
[07:41] <crack> thoreauputic, do u know of a good irc server for music?
[07:41] <crack> and for games
[07:42] <thoreauputic> crack: no, sorry
[07:42] <moj0> Kamion: I change from AU to US_UTF-8
[07:42] <moj0> Kamion: no errors like previous state
[07:42] <KneelBeforeXorg> http://teh.entar.net/~nick/mail/rick-moen-history <-- PeachThief: no, that's not enirely correct
[07:42] <cenerentola> ciao
[07:42] <dablitz> but I still have to mount from a sudo. and then I have to be root to get access to floppy drive
[07:42] <linux_mafia> KneelBeforeXorg, thanks for the english lesson, what would i do without you
[07:42] <moj0> Kamion: but I get this error: Bad entry 'en_US.UTF-8 '
[07:42] <moj0> Generation complete.
[07:42] <PeachThief> Oh.
[07:43] <KneelBeforeXorg> Rick Moen, as we should all know by now, was originally written in
[07:43] <KneelBeforeXorg> _PostScript_ in the 1980s, since the fastest computer in the office
[07:43] <KneelBeforeXorg> was a networked laser printer.
[07:43] <Gwildor_> how many ppl here were unaware that sabdfl is the boss (mark), I just found out today
[07:43] <Kamion> moj0: 'grep ^en /etc/locale.gen | cat -E'
[07:44] <moj0> Kamion: en_US.UTF-8$
[07:44] <moj0> really?
[07:44] <Gwildor_> I once asked if he was dev, silly me
[07:44] <moj0> Mark is here? the imfamous Mark! I'd like to say hello to him! I really admire him
[07:45] <netmonk>  /quit
[07:45] <Gwildor_> he's in the room, prob not active, do google search for his name, like 100,00 results
[07:45] <Gwildor_> 100,000
[07:45] <Gwildor_> well more like 96,000
[07:45] <Tyche> anyone have a copy of their /boot/grub/menu.lst that I can look at? I'm looking to make another option the default boot option.
[07:45] <_matti> hey... this may be a silly question, but can I use a debian-packaged kernel with ubuntu?
[07:46] <Tyche> _matti: I'm new, but I think the answer is yes to that.
[07:46] <_matti> I mean, one off of the debian distribution, not ubuntu's own which I seem to be having some trouble with
[07:46] <Gwildor_> _matti, go ahead, not really supported, and im not too sure how it will work
[07:46] <fissy> i thought he was from south africa?
[07:46] <Gwildor_> fissy, he is
[07:46] <thoreauputic> _matti: anything is possible. Whether it's advisable is a different question
[07:47] <Gwildor_> thoreauputic, good answer
[07:47] <fissy> living in England though?
[07:47] <_matti> tyche/gwildor: well I think the packages seemed a bit differently named, so I'm not sure how easy it is to replace the right ones
[07:47] <Gwildor_> fissy, could be
[07:47] <fissy> well sabdfl is in england
[07:47] <Gwildor_> fissy, FROM south africa
[07:47] <Kamion> moj0: that line should be "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8"
[07:47] <fissy> i saw in SA they were playing it like the whole thing is based there
[07:47] <moj0> Kamion: I'll fix it
[07:48] <Tyche> Anyone using grub?
[07:48] <Gwildor_> fissy, idk where it is based, I just know that mark is south african, where he lives now is another story, btw, he is white
[07:48] <Treenaks> Tyche: everyone is, it's the default in ubuntu
[07:48] <thoreauputic> fissy: open source isn't "based" anywhere really - all projects are international
[07:49] <Gwildor_> thoreauputic, golden asnwers today
[07:49] <Gwildor_> answers
[07:49] <mrproper> Is there a bittorrent for Ubuntu?
[07:49] <fissy> well thats not how the tv documentary portrayed it, thats all i'm saying :P
[07:49] <_matti> I guess another solution would be to try and see what modules in the ubuntu distro aren't behaving well for me, I think they're related to the hotplug stuff
[07:49] <JStrike> hornbeck : Any luck with the packages?
[07:49] <Gwildor_> fissy, tv document?
[07:49] <Agrajag> mrproper: bittornado
[07:49] <mrproper> Agrajag: No, I mean to download Ubuntu.
[07:49] <hornbeck> JStrike: have not had time
[07:49] <linux_mafia> canonical is based in/on the isle of man
[07:49] <Agrajag> or do you mean a torrent to download
[07:49] <_matti> but uh... I used modconf on debian, that doesn't seem to be available for ubuntu
[07:49] <Agrajag> yes, check the download section on ubuntulinux.org
[07:49] <Tyche> treenaks: do you have a copy of your menu.lst I could look at?
[07:50] <mrproper> Ahhh, I see, thanks!
[07:50] <Treenaks> Tyche: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:50] <Gwildor_> isle of man, that's it!!
[07:50] <Treenaks> Tyche: if it's broken, move it aside and update-grub
[07:50] <moj0> Kamion: fixed but RealPlay still not work..sigh..
[07:50] <Kamion> moj0: run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales' again
[07:51] <Gwildor_> moj0, what you need realplay for?, isnt there a codec that'll suite your needs, instead of just REALPLAYER?
[07:51] <Kamion> moj0: run 'perl -e1' to check whether you've really fixed it
[07:51] <PeachThief> realplayer is kind of yucky
[07:51] <rsa> i was looking at this post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11466#post11466 cause i can't install gftp could someone please help me ? i did unchecked "universe" in sources list but i still get the same error msg
[07:51] <Agrajag> PeachThief: have you used the latest version?
[07:52] <moj0> Kamion: worked
[07:52] <Tyche> Treenaks: It is not broken, but I am having issues with setting the default. Just wanted to see what I can do to fix that.
[07:52] <thoreauputic> rsa: have you reloade in synaptic?
[07:52] <PeachThief> Agrajag, no, is it less loathsome?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> *reloaded
[07:52] <Treenaks> rsa: did you run apt-get update (or have you clicked the update button in the package manager) ?
[07:52] <Agrajag> PeachThief: very much so.
[07:52] <Tyche> Treenaks: Looking for a site on the internet, and none are grand.
[07:52] <Agrajag> It's helix player, with Real's newest codecs included.
[07:52] <PeachThief> Good for them.  Is the codec still dreck?
[07:52] <moj0> Kamion: this time is worse
[07:52] <Treenaks> Tyche: I just let update-grub decide
[07:52] <rsa> Treenaks: no i will do so ;)
[07:52] <moj0> Kamion: root@MOJO:/home/mojo # realplay
[07:52] <moj0> (realplay.bin:26567): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[07:52] <moj0> (realplay.bin:26567): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[07:53] <Treenaks> Kamion: afaik that's a know issue with Xorg
[07:53] <Agrajag> yes, but since it's the most widely-used one for streaming video and low-bandwidth audio, we're stuck.
[07:53] <PeachThief> oh?
[07:53] <fissy> the isle of man?!
[07:54] <Kamion> Treenaks: right (although you probably want to address that to moj0 rather than me)
[07:54] <PeachThief> I haven't needed to us it in many years, but I guess I'm special or something.
[07:54] <Tyche> Treenaks: So how do I update it? Rename the old one?
[07:54] <Agrajag> unless you're going to tell me totem will play it
[07:54] <Agrajag> which I doubt
[07:54] <supos> fissy: forgot the sudo :)
[07:54] <Tyche> Treenaks: is there a way to tell the day I installed my system?
[07:54] <Treenaks> Tyche: no. just run update-grub
[07:54] <moj0> Kamion: so this is an issue of Xorg, then I prb wait
[07:54] <Kamion> fissy: we don't have many people on the Isle of Man, but some of the company administration is there
[07:54] <Treenaks> Tyche: assuming you haven't butchered yours yet
[07:54] <Agrajag> and I doubt it will play streaming windows media, but I could be wrong
[07:54] <AwayDip> fissy,  do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda"
[07:54] <fissy> supos, i did sudo passwd a little while ago :P
[07:54] <Treenaks> Tyche: and please, please, read a manual page before you do things
[07:54] <Treenaks> Tyche: (man menu.lst.. man grub..)
[07:55] <Tyche> Treenaks: Where do run update-grub? command line?
[07:55] <Treenaks> Tyche: yes, and don't forget sudo
[07:55] <nixman> anyone seen cases where ubuntu would not detect the DVD rom drive it is booted from. Anyone know why that would happen
[07:55] <moj0> Kamion: thx for u help
[07:55] <fissy> i was only joking about the isle of man
[07:55] <fissy> after all, its not their fault they're inbreds :P
[07:55] <d0gmaz> how do i exit X?
[07:55] <moj0> Anyone here find the icon for Clock in "Add to Panel" Applet dialog disappear?
[07:55] <Gwildor_> log out
[07:55] <Gwildor_> d0gmaz, log out
[07:55] <Tyche> Treenaks: No manual entry for menu.lst
[07:56] <Treenaks> Tyche: grub then
[07:56] <Treenaks> Tyche: and update-grub
[07:56] <moj0> Tyche: use grub2 then
[07:56] <d0gmaz> Gwildor, no i get at the login screen
[07:56] <Tyche> Treenaks: I have an IBM laptop, am I able to use the volume control buttons on my keyboard.
[07:56] <Treenaks> moj0: no no no!
[07:56] <Magna> Can you do a "Print Screen" to copy screen with ubuntu?
[07:56] <rsa> thoreauputic: thx mate, no it works well ;)
[07:56] <Gwildor_> d0gmaz, there is a SESSION button, change that
[07:56] <Treenaks> moj0: just use packages.
[07:57] <Gwildor_> d0gmaz, at the log in screen is the session button
[07:57] <fissy> yes, i found that... i can't get the print screen button to work
[07:57] <moj0> I love to play with src
[07:57] <fissy> anyone else had any luck?
[07:57] <d0gmaz> Gwildor, no i cannot choose terminal or something
[07:57] <Kamion> d0gmaz: ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console; alt-f7 to switch back to X
[07:57] <moj0> fissy: its a big
[07:57] <moj0> fissy: bug that we've all known
[07:57] <rsa> Treenaks: thx mate, no it works well ;)
[07:57] <Gwildor_> d0gmaz, what are your choices?, I am almost positive it is there
[07:57] <d0gmaz> Kamion, i want to completely exit X because i want to install nvidia drivers myself
[07:58] <rsa> thoreauputic: thx  mate ;)
[07:58] <d0gmaz> Gwildor, gnome gnome-failsave and failsave (wich gets me a terminal in a colored X session :P)
[07:58] <thoreauputic> rsa: no worries :)
[07:58] <Kamion> d0gmaz: log in at a terminal and 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[07:58] <moj0> For all folks who love latest Industrial theme, (ripped from NLD9 - tested and run well with Ubuntu) http://hypatia.ca/files/Industrial-Steel.tar.gz
[08:01] <PeachThief> Oh.
[08:02] <rsa> i must say that ubuntu is the best desktop dist i ever tried, i have debian on my server but this one rocks on my notebook! friendly people in here too ;) cheers ...
[08:03] <krism> anyone happen to have a gateway 7405GX laptop? thinking about buying one, just some questions
[08:03] <krism> (e.g. questions how it works with linux)
[08:04] <krism> damn, it's that bad? <g>
[08:05] <d0gmaz> wow that went smooth
[08:08] <d0gmaz> is there something like an opengl test for linux?
[08:08] <PeachThief> xscreensaver
[08:08] <thoreauputic> d0gmaz: run glxgears
[08:08] <PeachThief> what exactly do you want to test?
[08:09] <PeachThief> do you mean like a menchmark, or to just see if it works?
[08:09] <PeachThief> erm
[08:09] <PeachThief> benchmark, I mean
[08:09] <thoreauputic> ther's also glxinfo
[08:09] <d0gmaz> well when i start quake3 it crashes back to my desktop only at 230x320 or somthing
[08:09] <PeachThief> hmm
[08:09] <PeachThief> what kind of video adapter do you have?
[08:10] <d0gmaz> so i thought maybe my drivers so i installed the official nvidia drivers edited my x config
[08:10] <PeachThief> ah
[08:10] <d0gmaz> i see the nvidia splashscreen
[08:10] <d0gmaz> geforce fx 5700
[08:11] <PeachThief> I think nvidia has some forums on their site.  I have heard once in a while that they'll do something radical with their drivers and big 3d apps will break.
[08:11] <PeachThief> I'd check those forums for q3 issues
[08:11] <PeachThief> but yeah, run glxgears
[08:11] <d0gmaz> good idea
[08:11] <d0gmaz> well they run
[08:11] <PeachThief> it's probably the big crazy gl extensions that are causing trouble
[08:12] <padde> wooooh many users in here!
[08:12] <padde> hallo everybody
[08:12] <PeachThief> it may be too optimistic to think q3 would report what its problem was
[08:12] <d0gmaz> indeed
[08:12] <PeachThief> ble
[08:12] <PeachThief> h
[08:12] <padde> what's the reason for so many people being in this channel? bugs? problems with installation?
[08:13] <PeachThief> love of the ubuntu
[08:13] <padde> w00t
[08:13] <padde> :) just installing
[08:14] <Tyche> Anyone have any nice grub splash images?
[08:17] <padde> ubuntu uses deb package system, right?
[08:18] <Tyche> treenaks: When it says default 0 what does it mean? I do not see how they are numbering the entries?
[08:19] <Treenaks> Tyche: read the manual!
[08:19] <Agrajag> padde: yes
[08:20] <padde> Agrajag: thanks
[08:20] <Tyche> treenaks: okay. Sorry.
[08:29] <padde> what is the install program doing? takes forever and i didn't select any packages yet?!
[08:29] <Ruffian|JANE|> what install program? Synaptic?
[08:29] <padde> ubuntu install program
[08:30] <Gwildor_> padde, not suer exactly, but it seems to me to be grabbing the most recent packages
[08:30] <padde> installing for the first time
[08:30] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[08:30] <Ruffian|JANE|> Hope You LIke it :-) padde
[08:30] <Gwildor_> padde, meaning that the packages on your disk arent the latest, I reaally have no idea, but don't worry, it will be fine when it is done
[08:30] <padde> Gwildor_: it's finished with downloading already (about 40 megabytes)
[08:31] <Gwildor_> padde, yeah, seems about right (installed 5 times)
[08:31] <padde> Gwildor_: ah, now it says "thanks for choosing ubunt ... bla2
[08:31] <padde> w00t X starting :)
[08:32] <Gwildor_> padde, good
[08:32] <padde> umm... why gnome?
[08:32] <Gwildor_> padde, sudo apt-get install kde
[08:32] <padde> thanks :)
[08:32] <Gwildor_> pass is your user pass
[08:32] <padde> sounds easy :)
[08:32] <Gwildor_> :), np
[08:32] <mario> why kde?
[08:32] <mario> ;)
[08:33] <Gwildor_> lol
[08:33] <padde> i like kde a lot :)
[08:33] <mario> I don't like QT :)
[08:33] <padde> and it's being developed some 20 km's from here :)
[08:34] <Kamion> padde: you don't select packages in our installer; but I guess you've figured that out by now
[08:35] <padde> Kamion: yes, figured that ;) but i wondered why it took so long - now i know - it installed a complete X and gnome system already
[08:38] <padde> how can i change the root password? i didn't even set it (huh?) read something about root being disabled - but how should that work?
[08:38] <Falstius> bonobo, root
[08:38] <bonobo> : The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:38] <Falstius> padde, read that :)
[08:38] <padde> thanks
[08:39] <Gwildor_> bonobo, real person, you take the shift why ogra is away?
[08:40] <Falstius> bonobo is a bot.  wfx set her up I think.
[08:41] <Gwildor_> AHH, OK
[08:41] <Gwildor_> opps, caps
[08:41] <stvn> bonobo: identify
[08:41] <bonobo> stvn: (identify <name> <password>) -- Identifies the user as <name>. This command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel.
[08:41] <stvn> damn
[08:41] <Gwildor_> hehe, sweet
[08:41] <Gwildor_> ogra get a rest now
[08:41] <Gwildor_> gets*
[08:41] <Falstius> she's not very talkative, but remembers links really well.
[08:41] <Gwildor_> yup yup
[08:42] <Magna> What kind of antivirus are users using for ubuntu?
[08:42] <stvn> bonobo: bot
[08:42] <bonobo> I'm merely a python script trying to make remembering important URLs easier
[08:42] <Gwildor_> antivirus??
[08:42] <padde> antivirus with linux? ;)
[08:42] <Gwildor_> I don't run a antivirus in windows, wouldn't even think about it in linux
[08:43] <stvn> Magna: there is an AV program with frontend, seeemed to work fine, forgot it's name though, hang on
[08:44] <unikum> how do i save a kommandoline so i dont have to type everything everytime i want to start the app . this is what i type in a shell: /usr/lib/games/xboard xboard -size large -ics
[08:44] <Magna> I see that Avast has antivirus for Linux. www.avast.com. Has anyone tried this?
[08:44] <hypa7ia> there's clamav for mailservers
[08:44] <Tyche> treenaks: Got it figured out. The man pages were not helpful at all. I was able to find info needed on the gnu.org page.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> unikum: make an alias for it
[08:44] <Falstius> unikum, you could either set up a launcher to do it from a gnome icon or set up an alias in the shell.  What are you looking for?
[08:45] <padde> um... do i have to specify a mirror or something before I'm able to install kde? i just never worked with apt-get / synaptic
[08:45] <sanitario> has anyone besides me got problem with evolution when trying to send mail? it won't accept that it has to authenticate...
[08:45] <wood1> How do I install Flash plugin for Firefox 0.93 in Warty ?
[08:45] <Agrajag> padde: you need to add the universe repository
[08:45] <Agrajag> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:45] <stvn> wood1: did you follow the URL bonobo gave you the last time?
[08:45] <chazwurth> can someone tell me how to clear some of the sounds in gnome? under computer-->desktop preferences-->sound, I can *change* sounds that are already set, but I can't get set them to no sound at all.
[08:46] <padde> thanks Agrajag
[08:46] <wood1> Well I forgot the it. I was at work and now at home
[08:46] <wood1> anyway, thanks for remembering me
[08:46] <Magna> wood1: go to firefox and download 1.0. Many things fixed.
[08:46] <stvn> bonobo: flash wood1
[08:46] <bonobo> wood1: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <Agrajag> padde: you may also want to add multiverse, it's not listed in there, but you can just add multiverse at the end of those lines
[08:46] <Agrajag> multiverse has nonfree packages
[08:47] <stvn> Magna: aegis-virus-scanner looked nice
[08:47] <sanitario> chazwurth: can't you just empty the path for the soundfile?
[08:47] <chazwurth> sanitario: it doesn't seem to stick :(
[08:47] <padde> thanks again :)
[08:47] <wood1> how do I do that with: apt-get install flash-something non-free ???
[08:47] <sanitario> chazwurth: weird...
[08:47] <stvn> Magna: quite some fixes have been backported to ubuntus version of ff
[08:47] <chazwurth> sanitario: indeed. it sticks if I change the sound, but not if I clear it.
[08:48] <padde> apt-get update after that, right?
[08:49] <stvn> wood1: sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla (it'
[08:49] <Agrajag> padde: yes
[08:49] <stvn> s on the site)
[08:49] <padde> now there are many kde packages in synaptic - but the base package is an old version (3.2.2) - is there a possibility to install the new version 3.3.1?
[08:49] <wood1> Oh yes it is:   apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla non-free
[08:49] <chazwurth> err, and on the subject of sound, is there a way to get rid of the sound that plays when GDM is ready for a user to log in?
[08:49] <stvn> wood1: you need to enable multiverse, msg multiverse to bonobo
[08:50] <stvn> wood1: no non-free at the end
[08:51] <Magna> stvn: thanks for av & ff info
[08:51] <stvn> np
[08:51] <stvn> identify
[08:51] <wood1> Add the line in sources.list: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[08:51] <sanitario> chazwurth: that you should be able to do in: computer -> system configuration -> login configuration (or similiar, I only get it in swedish) and uncheck the checkbox in the accessibilty tab
[08:52] <chazwurth> sanitario: ah, thanks
[08:52] <stvn> wood1: yep, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:52] <StarScream> hey guys, where abouts is the default route set on start up?
[08:52] <d0gmaz> are there any other desktop environments beside gnome ready for ubuntu?
[08:52] <StarScream> i can set it using route add but it resets on boot
[08:52] <stvn> d0gmaz: you can install kde, xfce and prolly some others from universe
[08:53] <mjr> d0gmaz, not supported, but see above
[08:53] <StarScream> stvn, unless you use ppc, kde is not yet available
[08:53] <stvn> StarScream: eh? it is on warty
[08:53] <cenerentola> ciao...
[08:53] <StarScream> stvn, its on warty, but it doesn't install...some packages aren't there
[08:54] <StarScream> its fine on x86 though
[08:54] <cenerentola> how can i fix this "ipw2100: IRQ ignored"?
[08:54] <d0gmaz> stvn, thanks
[08:54] <stvn> StarScream: huh, you mean it's not on x86 or not on ppc?
[08:54] <d0gmaz> kde sucks anyway :P
[08:54] <stvn> shh
[08:54] <StarScream> stvn, it IS on x86, not on ppc
[08:55] <stvn> StarScream: ah ok, misunderstood you then, dunno about ppc
[08:55] <StarScream> stvn, should be fixed in hoary (i hope)
[08:55] <wood1> By the way, I am now using a Dial-Up Connection using "pon". Does anyone have an idea to see how long my online session status has been ?
[08:56] <d0gmaz> can i use xfce with nautilus?
[08:57] <StarScream> wood1, you using pppd or wvdial?
[08:57] <StarScream> d0gmaz, yeh
[08:57] <d0gmaz> great
[08:57] <StarScream> d0gmaz, but it loads half of gnome with it ;-)
[08:57] <d0gmaz> hmm not so great
[08:57] <wood1> I am using pppd
[08:57] <stvn> ogra: why the bonobo command?
[08:58] <stvn> StarScream: I thought nautilus --no-desktop was reasonable clean
[08:58] <chazwurth> when you install packages using apt-get/synaptic, are the packages saved somewhere on your system, or deleted after installation?
[08:58] <StarScream> stvn, oh yeh i forgot about that...
[08:58] <stvn> chazwurth: normally saved in /var/cache/apt
[08:59] <StarScream> d0gmaz, stvn has a good idea ^
[08:59] <Kamion> chazwurth: they're cached in /var/cache/apt/archives/; 'apt-get clean' (and I think an equivalent synaptic procedure) deletes them
[08:59] <stvn> d0gmaz: so nautilus --no-desktop is your friend
[08:59] <chazwurth> ah
[08:59] <ogra> stvn: ?
[08:59] <chazwurth> I assume deleting them shouldn't cause any undesireable behavior?
[08:59] <stvn> ogra: there's an ogra command, butit doesn't do anything ;)
[08:59] <wood1> So how do I get my online status using pppd ?
[08:59] <d0gmaz> stvn, great thanks man
[09:00] <ogra> stvn: i have not set it .... dunno who did
[09:00] <stvn> chazwurth: as long as you use the proper tools, it doesn't
[09:00] <stvn> ogra: k, i'll remove it
[09:00] <d0gmaz> stvn, what your using for desktop?
[09:00] <chazwurth> great, thanks
[09:00] <sanitario> seb128: should I bug you if I have trouble with evolution?
[09:00] <StarScream> anyone have any ideas about the route issue?
[09:00] <stvn> d0gmaz: nowadays gnome 2.9, have used xfce for a while
[09:01] <seb128> sanitario: you can try, but usually bugging bugzilla is the right way :)
[09:01] <seb128> why ?
[09:01] <padde> umm.. i guess i'll stick to suse 9.2 - don't like gnome very much and kde doesn't seem to be very well supported by ubuntu
[09:01] <StarScream> stvn, what are the improvements in 2.9?
[09:01] <stvn> StarScream: there is the share folder function in nautilus :D
[09:01] <wood1> By the way, my GNOME version shows only 2.7.3 ?
[09:02] <StarScream> padde, kde is ok under x86...it will get better, ubuntu just has more gnome devels
[09:02] <sanitario> seb128: I need to authenticate to my smtp-server when sending mail, but evolution will uncheck the checkbox every time I check it
[09:02] <StarScream> padde, and suse has more kde devels that anyone else iirc
[09:02] <sanitario> seb128: and I'm scared by bugzilla :/
[09:02] <wood1> How come my GNOME Terminal is only 2.7.3 instead of 2.8 or higher ?
[09:02] <d0gmaz> can i get CDE for linux somewhere ?
[09:02] <seb128> sanitario: 2.1 or 2.0 ?
[09:02] <stvn> there is (apparently???) an add or remove programs application - just discovered it
[09:02] <StarScream> stvn, cool, thats a good idea...my gf really misses that function now i switched from OSX
[09:02] <padde> StarScream: i see. yes, that's it. and I also must admit i miss YaST ;)
[09:02] <sanitario> seb128: 2.1.0-0ubuntu3
[09:03] <sanitario> seb128: in hoary
[09:03] <padde> but apt-get is really nice as far as i saw...
[09:03] <seb128> yeah, apparently 2.1 has some problem with secure connection
[09:03] <seb128> upstream problem
[09:03] <seb128> you just have to wait ...
[09:03] <sanitario> seb128: ok, thanks
[09:03] <StarScream> padde, depends what you want from a distro
[09:03] <stvn> oohh, how a nifty program
[09:04] <StarScream> i think ubuntu is a happy medium between user friendly and trying to hide control
[09:04] <stvn> StarScream: 2.9/hoary is very much in development, every time I check there are new and interesting programs
[09:04] <Kamion> wood1: it's 2.9.1 in hoary; IIRC gnome-terminal 2.8 wasn't released at the point when warty released
[09:05] <StarScream> stvn, i actually wish there was a way for an application to just have the base functionallity which is independant of either gtk or qt
[09:05] <StarScream> so that if your a kde user you can use qt gui for it, and if your a gnome/xfce user you can use gtk gui
[09:05] <StarScream> less re-doing apps
[09:05] <wood1> Well how do I update GNOME 2.7.3 to at least GNOME 2.8 ?
[09:05] <chazwurth> stvn: how unstable is hoary?
[09:05] <padde> StarScream: yes, i think so, perhaps a good distribution for people who switch from windows
[09:06] <stvn> chazwurth: hasn't crashed on me yet
[09:06] <chazwurth> :)
[09:06] <stvn> chazwurth: but I'm not stressing my computer too much ATM
[09:08] <StarScream> padde...i think the more different a linux system is the better for a windows user
[09:08] <StarScream> that way they realise that linux !=windows
[09:08] <Falstius> StarScream, the majority of the work in writing most GUIs is the interface.  On the other hand, since gtk and qt are both themable you could just use a Gtk looking theme for QT or vice versa.
[09:08] <StarScream> and it doesn't work the same
[09:08] <wood1> any hints why my GNOME Terminal version is 2.7.3 and how do I update it in Warty ?
[09:08] <Falstius> er most GUI programs
[09:09] <stvn> wood1: kamion explained it, besides it's not a big problem
[09:09] <krism> cygwin is such junk, grumble.
[09:09] <krism> it will *not* install on any of three PCs. downloaded from four different sources, tried different configurations, etc. on and on.
[09:09] <StarScream> Falstius, nah i am not talking about the look though...i mean there are so many apps out there that do the same thing i.e gaim,kopete abiword,kword, gnumeric,kspread
[09:09] <krism> and it *still* locks up at 90% install
[09:09] <StarScream> if they could work together on the features
[09:10] <StarScream> and implement the gui for their desktop
[09:10] <StarScream> there would be more features surely
[09:10] <padde> StarScream: may be true. but i think devels should not have any existing software in mind, but make what is "best" - and perhaps something is "best" in windows.
[09:10] <wood1> Is it because I install the preview Ubuntu CD on 13-Oct-2004 instead of a recent stable CD ?
[09:10] <Falstius> StarScream, diversity of good for evolution.  With open source, if someone adds a feature you like you can look at their code and add it to yours
[09:10] <StarScream> padde, sorry, i am not sure what you mean...
[09:11] <wood1> By the way, do any anybody here using Ubuntu for your Servers ?
[09:11] <StarScream> Falstius, yeh true...but often its not that simple..in alot of cases its easier to look at the code, get the basics and re-do it
[09:11] <StarScream> to fit your app
[09:12] <chazwurth> wood1: not yet, I've only been playing with ubuntu for about a day now
[09:12] <padde> StarScream: ok... trying again: perhaps some part of the user interface is very user friendly and can be seen as "the best" solution in windows. then devels shouldn't try to find another solution (which wouldn't be as user friendly as the one windows uses) but try to copy it in a way - understand what i'm trying to say?
[09:12] <Falstius> StarScream: sure, go for it.
[09:12] <wood1> I installed Ubuntu from a Preview CD which is unstable. Does it effect my system ?
[09:13] <StarScream> padde ah yeh i get what you mean.
[09:13] <thoreauputic> wood1: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:13] <chazwurth> wood1: I don't know much about apt, but from what I understand, if you do do a dist-upgrade, what media you installed from should't make a difference
[09:13] <StarScream> Falstius, i think it would have to be more than just ME going along with the idea for it to work ;-)
[09:14] <wood1> I do that everyday
[09:14] <thoreauputic> wood1: then you are up to date
[09:14] <wood1> Well thanks for your ideas
[09:15] <StarScream> padde, although i think if you are copying interfaces i think something OSX would probably be a better idea
[09:15] <StarScream> windows 2k interfaces aren't too bad though
[09:16] <StarScream> XP is a nightmare from a design point of view
[09:16] <wood1> Does anybody here know alot about scripting ? I desperately need help
[09:16] <StarScream> wood1, depends what your scripting in?
[09:16] <padde> StarScream: never used OSX yet. nobody of us can tell what's best, because we're used to some interface - you would have to ask people who never touched a computer before
[09:17] <StarScream> padde, yeh well thats why having lots of DE's are good..you can have what your "used" to
[09:17] <padde> StarScream: they should do more research into this direction - trying to figure what people like and dislike who never used any interface before
[09:17] <mos__> wood1: i know some scripting languages what one are you wanting to use?
[09:17] <StarScream> padde, i think they do alot more research than you think...
[09:17] <[Miles] > hi
[09:17] <d0gmaz> i like CDE
[09:17] <StarScream> gnome is very user friendly for people with disabilities
[09:18] <[Miles] > is there any tool to setup my pc monitor?
[09:18] <StarScream> d0gmaz, try xfce...you'll fell at home
[09:18] <StarScream> feel
[09:18] <padde> StarScream: sure they do, but why are there still so many things that confuse "newbies"? even in windows - and i'm sure microsoft spent a lot money on research in terms of the interface
[09:18] <d0gmaz> StarScream, hmm gonna give it a try now
[09:19] <StarScream> i can't wait for an updated XFCE....spacial workspaces in 4.4 rc1 iirc
[09:19] <Kamion> GNOME's done quite a bit of real-world usability research
[09:19] <chazwurth> padde: there's a fair amount of research on how to conduct usability studies, and lots of them that have been done. I can't refer you to anything in particular -- not my area of expertise -- but I know a few people who a) do it professionally and b) have had to study it in graduate school, so if you're interested in the subject, you can probably turn up some books/articles on it if you poke around.
[09:19] <crimsun> StarScream: 4.4?
[09:19] <StarScream> 4.2 maybe :)
[09:19] <crimsun> StarScream: I'm using 4.2RC...
[09:19] <StarScream> crimsun, yeh thats the one :)
[09:20] <mlopes> hi! can someone tell me where do ubuntu keep the modelines?
[09:20] <crimsun> yeah, I was about to say that you've managed to leap far into the future
[09:20] <mlopes> I can't seem to find them in the /etc/X11/XFree86-4
[09:20] <StarScream> padde, i think your getting beyond navigation etc..there...the things that confuse the nubes is when they try and do complicated things
[09:20] <StarScream> the windows way
[09:20] <crimsun> mlopes: warty or hoary?
[09:20] <mlopes> sorry XF86config-4
[09:20] <mlopes> warty
[09:21] <padde> chazwurth: thanks - i'm sure i'll learn something in my university studies later, too
[09:21] <mlopes> I'm trying to change te 1600x1200 modeline to...
[09:21] <mlopes> "1600x1200"   202.50   1600 1664 1856 2184   1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync
[09:21] <Falstius> hmm my ~x86 gentoo is only xfce 4.0.6.  I feel obsolete :)
[09:21] <crimsun> mlopes: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, in the Screen section
[09:21] <padde> StarScream: yes, it's a quite complex subject, i guess
[09:21] <crimsun> Falstius: yeah, well you know what they say about Gentoo. ;) j/k
[09:22] <crimsun> mlopes: you'll want to prepend that mode to your Modes list as well
[09:22] <chazwurth> padde: I wish the cs department I attend had *anything* on the subject...I think it's sort of absurd to teach people to write software and not teach even one class on interfaces
[09:22] <StarScream> padde, alot of the problem is that people dont want another OS, they want their OS to work..but they fail to realise that how their OS works is actually part of the problem
[09:22] <wood1> Well we have a internal program written in either Java or Python which connects to an Oracle database. We have to feel data in a web form and it displays in a web browser
[09:23] <StarScream> padde, i started using Linux becuase i didn't like how windows worked
[09:23] <mlopes> crimsun: into the "Display" subsection or out?
[09:23] <Friczy> hi
[09:23] <StarScream> padde, i started using OSX and stopped using it becuase i realised i wanted IT to work like linux...which it isn't designed to do
[09:23] <StarScream> although you can coax it to sometimes ;-)
[09:23] <wood1> So is it possible ?
[09:24] <StarScream> wood1, yeh
[09:24] <crimsun> mlopes: your new Modeline goes in Section Monitor
[09:24] <wood1> StarScream do you know how to do it ?
[09:24] <mlopes> ok, thanks
[09:24] <crimsun> mlopes: the reference to that Modeline is prepended to the Modes list in Section Screen
[09:25] <StarScream> wood1, well ok what services are you running?
[09:25] <StarScream> wood1, what lang do you want to do it in
[09:25] <mlopes> sorry, now i didn't get it, do I put it in the "Monitor" section or in the "Screen" section?
[09:25] <wood1> Well anyone that works
[09:25] <padde> StarScream: yes, that's the point! it's like with so many things... they don't see the whole thing - that's why they need "unpoisoned" people to make those tests and research...
[09:26] <StarScream> padde, the only reason people should change is if they WANT to.
[09:26] <padde> problem is: in every os i tried there's something that doesn't work like i expect it
[09:26] <StarScream> padde, example?
[09:27] <chazwurth> hmm...any tips on getting cdburning to work in ubuntu? I just installed xcdroast, and it doesn't see my writer.
[09:27] <StarScream> padde, if there is something under linux/bsd/herd that you dont like, because its OSS you can implement it...if you want..or if you can find a nice devel, ask them to do it for ya
[09:28] <Falstius> chazwurth, you might want to check the cdrecord man page and then see if it will identify your device
[09:28] <padde> ok: i really like the concept of unix / linux of being so modular - small apps do small things... so scripting is easy, everything gets more flexible. BUT: many different devels do many different config files or interfaces and you have to learn each and every one
[09:28] <chazwurth> Falstius: will do.
[09:28] <StarScream> padde, yeh i agree that is kinda hard to do...
[09:29] <padde> StarScream: i know that - that's always what's being said: just change it - just hack it in... BUT: i neither have the knowledge nor the time! and nobody has
[09:29] <mlopes> ok, i'll try my new X configuration
[09:29] <StarScream> padde, but at the same time, i dont know how you get around it
[09:29] <mlopes> bye
[09:29] <Falstius> chazwurth: cdrecord -scanbus
[09:29] <Falstius> (had to check)
[09:29] <PeachThief> generally you find a distro that you like how they do things and stick to that one
[09:29] <StarScream> padde, well i'm up for trying if you have a good idea on how to do it...
[09:29] <StarScream> but say postfix, will never have a config like httpd
[09:29] <StarScream> becuase they are different apps
[09:29] <FTTP> i guess jeff waugh answered all my questions on osnews.com :)
[09:29] <wood1> StarScream you get the basic idea what I am explaining don't you? We have an Server running an Oracle database which displays fields with data in a web browser. I want to extract some data from the web browser and put it to some other programs like Emacs or a text editor
[09:30] <PeachThief> oh, the apps you mean
[09:30] <Falstius> chazwurth:  oh, and if you don't have your cdrom as atapi-scsi it won't find it automatically
[09:30] <wood1> Is that possible using some kind of scripts ?
[09:30] <StarScream> wood1, yeh sure...first thing, make sure the output is valid xhtml...then you can use a SAXparser in say perl or php to get the data
[09:30] <StarScream> ir even java
[09:30] <StarScream> or
[09:31] <chazwurth> Falstius: err. it suggests I read the /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup file, which doesn't exist on my system :)
[09:31] <StarScream> wood1, or if you aren't fussy about specific data
[09:31] <StarScream> you can use wget to get the html page
[09:31] <agwibowo> test
[09:31] <StarScream> use sed or grep to get data out
[09:31] <wood1> How do I know if the output is xhtml or not ? The data displays in all web browsers including IE
[09:31] <StarScream> wood1, run it through the w3c validator
[09:32] <Falstius> chazwurth: huh.  well try cdrecord -scanbus
[09:32] <chazwurth> yah, that's what I did. It tells me, among other things,
[09:32] <wood1> I just want some data from certain fields not all fields
[09:32] <Friczy> chazwurth: cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI
[09:32] <Falstius> chazwurth: don't paste multiple lines ...
[09:33] <wood1> I can connect to the Oracle database from anywhere
[09:33] <jnk> Hi. Is there any reason I would not want to use "nolapic" for my laptop? It fixes a bug which makes it hang when I close the lid.
[09:33] <StarScream> wood1, sure, thats the easier way of doing it
[09:33] <StarScream> you can do it with perl/php really easily
[09:33] <StarScream> as long as you have a db login that you can use
[09:33] <chazwurth> Falstius: sorry about that, I hit the enter key accidentally
[09:34] <padde> all right, was nice talking with you - have to go now! cu!
[09:34] <Falstius> chazwurth: friczy is right.  you need dev=ATAPI for ubuntu
[09:34] <Falstius> I thought it mapped them to scsi (not in ubuntu now)
[09:34] <FTTP> ubuntu is the debian i always dreamed about having :)
[09:34] <Friczy> Falstius: not only ubuntu :) for kernel 2.6.x :)
[09:34] <FTTP> debian has too many packages
[09:34] <erik> hey, is openoffice.org re-GNOMEized in hoary amd64?  warty amd64 openoffice.org is ugly :(
[09:34] <FTTP> but its great
[09:34] <FTTP> ubuntu is PERFECT
[09:34] <chazwurth> I was just going to say that it tells me 'cannot open SCSI driver' and to read that file. Also, when I tried scanbus with dev=ATAPI, it tried to scan hda (my hard drive) :P
[09:35] <chazwurth> I'll poke around a bit, I'll figure it out eventually
[09:35] <Falstius> Friczy, you can still do scsi emulation in 2.6 .. the cdrecord documentation still suggested that last I checked.
[09:35] <Friczy> chazwurth: you has an ide drive, don't you?
[09:35] <Friczy> Falstius: yes, deprecated.
[09:35] <chazwurth> Friczy: yeah
[09:35] <erik> why not just use dev=/dev/whatever-your-cdrom-is
[09:35] <Falstius> chaz, sudo cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI
[09:35] <ogra> chazwurth: erik is right
[09:36] <Friczy> ah yes, sudo must be used here
[09:36] <FTTP> any on hoary now?
[09:36] <StarScream> so yeh anyone know where the routes are set at start up?
[09:36] <wood1> StarScream, I really have no idea about HTML or scripting. How am I suppose to extract data from one field and not the other field.  w3c produces some weird html coding
[09:36] <FTTP> im testing it, no problemos........ still looking for bugs :)
[09:36] <chazwurth> hmm, okay, that worked. it sees it if I feed it the device name.
[09:36] <Friczy> erik: cdrecord tells a lot annoying messages if you use it this way
[09:36] <StarScream> wood1, well its not an easy task if you have no programming experience
[09:36] <erik> Friczy: yeah, but it works
[09:36] <StarScream> wood1, i mean you can learn it easily, but it takes time
[09:37] <chazwurth> dunno how that's going to get xcdroast to play nice with it, but it's a start
[09:37] <erik> just because the cdrecord auther is in a pissing fight with the ide-cd kernel guys doesn't mean you have to care about it :)
[09:37] <erik> author
[09:37] <wood1> StarScream, Well do you any kind of scripts for doing that kind of thing?
[09:37] <jnk> hopefully cdrecord will soon (hum) be history...
[09:38] <StarScream> wood1, try php.net...php is quite simple to connect to db
[09:38] <Friczy> jnk: what will be instead of it?
[09:38] <Falstius> jnk: why is that?
[09:39] <wood1> StarScream, How do I use php to connect to a database in the 1st place?
[09:40] <jnk> The author of cdrecord made some very controversial statements about the GPL license, and as a whole debian at least doesn't much appreciate his push for his own proprietary dvd burning solution... anyway interest is growing towards an alternative solution, which will probably be libburn (see Coaster, a nice gnome burning tool using libburn)
[09:40] <Falstius> huh, xcdroast did find my atapi cdrw.  Never used xcdroast before.
[09:41] <Friczy> Falstius: xcdroast use cdrecord as backend
[09:41] <Friczy> so you have to configure cdrecord fist IMHO
[09:41] <GammaRay> how would I set mount options for a flash card?
[09:41] <jnk> GammaRay: it doesn't work when you just plug it in ?
[09:42] <wood1> StarScream , how do I start PHP in Ubuntu ?
[09:42] <GammaRay> jnk: it does. I'm looking to set the options by which it mounts it for me.
[09:42] <Falstius> friczy, I know but that doesn't mean it necessarily supports atapi
[09:42] <jnk> GammaRay: what does "mount" se
[09:42] <jnk> say when it's mounted ?
[09:42] <Falstius> (infact it still gave me a nasty warning)
[09:43] <Friczy> Falstius: but did cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI find your cd writer?
[09:43] <Falstius> Friczy: yep
[09:43] <GammaRay> jnk: rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,sync,uid=1000,gid=1000
[09:43] <Falstius> which is how I usually use it.
[09:43] <GammaRay> jnk: but I want to add noatime
[09:44] <jnk> GammaRay: and the mounted device? /dev/sd...
[09:44] <GammaRay> jnk: /dev/sda1 on /media/sda1 type vfat
[09:44] <Falstius> gammaray, does noatime even apply to vfat?
[09:44] <Friczy> Falstius: ok. I don't use ubuntu (yet) but cdrecord handles your cdrecorder well, if you set up your /etc/defaults/cdrecord file (in debian)
[09:45] <Friczy> Falstius: for example: ide=    ATAPI:0,1,0     -1      -1      burnfree <- it is for my CD writer
[09:45] <jnk> GammaRay: so you just use that in /etc/fstab... it doesn't work?
[09:45] <Friczy> and I can set the default writer in this file also
[09:45] <GammaRay> Falstius: yes
[09:45] <jnk> GammaRay: ah I guess you want to set the options used when ubuntu mounts it for you...
[09:46] <GammaRay> yep
[09:46] <Falstius> GammaRay: huh ... *reading man mount* doesn't say it does.
[09:48] <Falstius> Friczy: I also just specified the stuff on the command line.  Didn't know about the /etc/default.  Thanks.
[09:48] <Falstius> right now I'm playing with udev, my usb memory devices and automount :)
[09:49] <Friczy> Falstius: it is in Debian, i don't know how is in ubuntu but i hope things are similar :)
[09:49] <GammaRay> Falstius: well you are wrong. I just tried it out.
[09:50] <Falstius> Friczy, it is in gentoo too (slightly different name)
[09:50] <GammaRay> I accessed files on a fat formatted flash card w/ that option and without. the latter updated the atime and the former didn't.
[09:52] <GammaRay> anyways... writes to a flash card kill it just a little more
[09:52] <wood1> StarScream, are you still there ?
[09:52] <GammaRay> so atime is horrible in this case
[09:54] <Falstius> GammaRay, atime or write time?
[09:54] <FTTP> Google and ubuntu have a lot in common
[09:54] <FTTP> they both use python heavily :)
[09:54] <chazwurth> interesting. nautilus-cd-burner seems to be working, but k3b and xcdroast are not. does the nautilus burner not use cdrecord for burning?
[09:55] <Falstius> GammaRay, but it isn't actually writing the atime
[09:55] <Friczy> chazwurth: as I see nautilus-cd-burner depends on cdrecord
[09:55] <Falstius> if you umount and remount the disk the atime goes back to the original
[09:56] <GammaRay> Falstius: yes it is
[09:56] <chazwurth> strange.
[09:56] <GammaRay> Falstius: hmm maybe you are right
[09:56] <Friczy> chazwurth: does not have a setup option in xcdroast if you start it as root?
[09:57] <Friczy> I last saw it years ago :)
[09:57] <GammaRay> but wtf does this have todo w/ my original question?
[09:57] <wood1> I am getting disconnected frequently from my DUN Connection today. Is help availabe ?
[09:57] <Falstius> Gamma, I think that unless you specified a umask you can change the file permisisons too
[09:57] <chazwurth> Friczy: it does, but xcdroast fails to detect my burner.
[09:57] <Falstius> Gamma, nothing really :)  I was just surprised you wanted to do it :)
[09:57] <rsa> if you dont want to mess with iptables in text, is there a gui firewall for ubuntu that someone can recommend ?
[09:58] <wood1> Is there any commands to tell my system to shutdown at a particular time ?
[09:58] <Falstius> wood, shutdown
[09:58] <Friczy> rsa: a gui firewall is a mess itself :)
[09:58] <mirak> hi
[09:58] <Falstius> rsa, firestarter is nice
[09:58] <GammaRay> wood1: see man at
[09:58] <mirak> does anyone can rum gnome-volume-controleur with the ALSA drivers ?
[09:59] <rsa> Falstius: okej i will have a look at that thx ;)
[09:59] <mirak> No volume control elements and/or devices found.
[09:59] <mirak> I got this error
[09:59] <rsa> Friczy: ;)
[09:59] <jnk> GammaRay: well there must be something to do with hal or gnome-volume-manager...
[09:59] <chazwurth> hrm, never mind, got it working.
[10:00] <mirak> anyone using ALSA here ?
[10:01] <wood1> how do I use at to halt my PC at 5 AM ?
[10:01] <wood1> at halt 5 AM today
[10:01] <Falstius> anyone know who fills in the information for udevinfo?  Is it the driver writing based on some coded info or the manufacturer?  For instance, the spelling is wrong for the manufacturer name of my USB key.
[10:01] <Friczy> wood1: type at and the time
[10:01] <chazwurth> although xcdroast seems to think that a warty install cd is an audio cd :P
[10:02] <GammaRay> wood1: at 5PM would do it
[10:02] <Friczy> wood1: then get a command promt, type your commands
[10:02] <GammaRay> wood1: your's might even work
[10:02] <wood1> then type: halt
[10:02] <wood1> ???
[10:02] <Friczy> wood1: yes.
[10:03] <Friczy> as i remember, you can finish the commands with ctrl+d
[10:03] <Chibi> :o
[10:03] <GammaRay> wood1: even at 5PM wednesday works
[10:04] <wood1> thanks to all of you out there
[10:04] <wood1> Good night
[10:06] <wood1> bye
[10:06] <pdaoust> hey, anybody had any experience installing the wonderful DBDesigner4 in Ubuntu?
[10:06] <pdaoust> I'm having problems with a libborqt.so file that refuses to be found
[10:08] <pdaoust> wow, sleepy today
[10:08] <pdaoust> I guess I'll go STFW
[10:14] <Friczy> bye good night
[10:14] <RageMax> man whatever someone did to openoffice in hoary is great
[10:14] <RageMax> it starts up in more than half the time now
[10:16] <rsa> the root account is deactivated, how do i activate it ? ( can't find this on google )
[10:17] <jnk> rsa: just set a password
[10:17] <jnk> sudo passwd root
[10:18] <rsa> jnk: i do have a password for root but i cant login to the graphical login via root
[10:18] <jnk> rsa: you don't want that !?
[10:19] <jdz`> rsa: using root is a bad habbit.
[10:19] <jnk> never login graphically as root, that's the old saying
[10:19] <rsa> jnk: firestarter firewall cant load thats why
[10:19] <jnk> sudo firestarter doesn't work?
[10:19] <Gwildor_> rsa, don't really need a firewall, ubuntu has no open ports
[10:20] <Gwildor_> rsa, essentially, ubuntu is a firewall
[10:20] <GammaRay> that is unless you plan to open some
[10:20] <jnk> GammaRay: tell me if you find a solution to your problem (I'm still searching)
[10:20] <kensai> If I don't use ubuntu in a laptop I can remove laptop-detect and laptop-mode?
[10:20] <rsa> Gwildor_: i'm behind a router so thats okey but i see your point ;)
[10:20] <wfx> hi :)
[10:20] <jdz`> wfx: hi
[10:21] <Gwildor_> rsa, :)
[10:21] <jnk> rsa: just installed and typed "sudo firestarter", works quite well
[10:21] <wfx> ogra, hi
[10:21] <ogra> hi
[10:21] <rsa> jnk: okey, i'll have a look at it ;)
[10:22] <wfx> bob2, do get access to bonobo?
[10:22] <jnk> rsa: still better, when I launch firestarter from the gnome menu, it asks me for a password
[10:22] <jdz`> rsa: I recomend you learn how to use sudo :)  there is infomation about sudo on the ubuntu website.
[10:22] <jnk> rsa: (but that may be because I've set a root password)
[10:23] <rsa> jdz: i will ;) sudo is new for me but i will read about it
[10:23] <rsa> jnk: yeah, maby i did not .. hehe
[10:25] <Gwildor_> rsa, all you need to know really, is everything you need root for, err comand you need root for, just add sudo in front of it
[10:26] <jnk> for the link?
[10:26] <jnk> ah the launcher
[10:26] <Gwildor_> jnk, like for firestarter, make an icon for it, but add sudo to it
[10:26] <jnk> yes it works.. I use that for ifup to a wireless interface
[10:26] <rsa> jnk: thx ;) sudo did it
[10:27] <Gwildor_> yeah, the launcher, sorry, im still newb, havent gotten all the terms down yet
[10:27] <jnk> rsa: np
[10:27] <rsa> Gwildor_: thx for the info ;)
[10:27] <Gwildor_> jnk, "yes it works......" was that to me?
[10:27] <rsa> jdz: thx ! ;)
[10:27] <jnk> Gwildor: yep
[10:27] <Gwildor_> jnk, thnx, that's good to know :)
[10:28] <jnk> but you have to give your password...
[10:28] <Gwildor_> rsa, sorry if you knew that, I wasn't trying to be rude, that's is just basically all you need to know
[10:28] <Gwildor_> jnk, yeah, like when you open synaptic
[10:29] <rsa> Gwildor_: np, mate ;)
[10:31] <jnk> Gwildor: actually I think you have to use the "execute in a terminal" (or somethinig like that) option and enter the password in the terminal that pops up
[10:32] <Gwildor_> jnk, that's fine, its better than opening a terminal and launching from there, that's the whole point of shortcuts
[10:32] <jnk> yeah :)
[10:32] <bkw-laptop> This w/e we'll replace phedora with ubuntu and hope everything will smooth a littler more. gnome quicker, and package management more simple
[10:32] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, who is we?, a large group?
[10:33] <bkw-laptop> Gwildor_, two laptops that's all.
[10:33] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, oh, ok, well good luck
[10:34] <bkw-laptop> have you been a fedora user yourself?
[10:34] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, only yoper and ubuntu, sorry
[10:34] <caspar> hia
[10:35] <neill> hi.
[10:35] <caspar> i have a qeustion
[10:35] <neill> is this channel logged anywhere?
[10:35] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, I didn't like yoper, though, that's why I am here, and I love it
[10:35] <caspar> i forgot my root password
[10:35] <neill> caspar: you sure?
[10:35] <caspar> ya
[10:35] <neill> there isn't normally a root password
[10:35] <jnk> caspar, you did setup a root password?
[10:35] <ogra> caspar: why did you add one ?
[10:35] <Gwildor_> neill, I don't remember where, err, maybe that is just the meeting
[10:35] <caspar> Only user BTW and
[10:35] <jnk> you can just reset it with "sudo passwd root"
[10:35] <caspar> i forgot it first
[10:36] <ogra> bonobo: sudo caspar
[10:36] <bonobo> caspar: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:36] <ftwig> hi everybody - is there a way to do somthing like tar | compress | /dev/dvd - i.e. do a backup stright to a DVD device?
[10:36] <neill> caspar: it's most likely that you haven't set a root password
[10:36] <caspar> and then i reinstald it it diddent ask for root password
[10:36] <wfx> :)
[10:36] <Gwildor_> how did you manage to forget your user pass?
[10:36] <bkw-laptop> Gwildor: does the the package management smooth? and how's package upgrades/search for new packages.  I guess gnome works well also...?
[10:36] <caspar> donno
[10:36] <neill> ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root password
[10:36] <jnk> ftwig: yes, use growisofs
[10:36] <wfx> ogra, so it still in use ;-)
[10:36] <GammaRay> caspar: reboot into simgle user mode and set it again
[10:36] <ftwig> jnk:ta looking it up
[10:36] <caspar> but in a log file it say's it is changed (only i donno how'
[10:37] <ogra> wfx....dont know, i just used it the first time today
[10:37] <GammaRay> caspar: I mean single user mode
[10:37] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, seems smooth to me, no problems yet, other than I kep breaking X,(my fault), ubuntu uses apt-get, and synaptic, and gnome is great on it, but I guess that really depends on your lappy
[10:38] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, I guess the only thing is not all packages (apps), get atuomagically inserted into the gnome menu, but I understand that this is on purpose, tho keep the menu size down
[10:38] <GammaRay> caspar: press escape before ubuntu boots and you get the grub menu, the second option should be single user
[10:38] <w0arz> hi everybody, i'm using unbuntu on an athlon 500mhz ( 128 sdram ),and i found this os very heavy ( i got no problem with xp or mandrake by exemple ) but with ubuntu every thing is slow...
[10:39] <caspar> so then i should install the pass Gammaray?
[10:39] <Gwildor_> w0arz, maybe try fluxbox, or xfce4, or maybe its just some wacky hardware thing, I think yesterday someone was saying that ubuntu was eating there ram
[10:40] <kensai> how do i leave x to install the nvidia driver manually
[10:40] <GammaRay> caspar: it should give you a terminal where you can set the password like so: passwd user
[10:40] <kensai> init 3 does not work
[10:40] <jnk> w0arz: maybe you can try using an optimized kernel (not the generic ..-386), but I guess it doesn't change things a lot
[10:40] <jdub> w0arz: with 128MB ram, you won't enjoy using GNOME and apps on top of it.
[10:40] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia kensai
[10:40] <bonobo> kensai: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:40] <jnk> kensai: you don't have to leave X
[10:40] <caspar> so there i can edit my root password?
[10:40] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, also, upgrades go fine, smooth as could be, just upgraded to hoary the other day
[10:40] <jnk> (or do you?)
[10:40] <kensai> bonobo, I want to install the latest driver it isn't available yet on aptt
[10:41] <jnk> caspar: in ubuntu you can make a simple "sudo passwd root"
[10:41] <ogra> kensai: bonobo is a url bot :)
[10:41] <kensai> jnk, on the readme it says I need to leave X and thats how I always do it
[10:41] <GammaRay> caspar: yes
[10:41] <Gwildor_> ogra, how is it now that there is a real bot here now
[10:41] <jnk> kensai: ok
[10:41] <kensai> ogra, LOL
[10:41] <ogra> kensai: you need to restart x
[10:41] <caspar> BBL so i can tell you if it works
[10:41] <caspar> and passwb i need to fill in the password?
[10:42] <ogra> kensai: but you can edit everything from within x
[10:42] <kensai> ogra, didn't saw the nickname bonobo ;)
[10:42] <jnk> caspar: you'll be asked for it
[10:42] <caspar> i will try it
[10:42] <bkw-laptop> Gwildor: did your x stop working after a package upgrade??!
[10:42] <caspar> BBL
[10:42] <ogra> Gwildor_: i have gotten tired of digging the urls up :)
[10:43] <ogra> Gwildor_: so wfx helped out with bonobo
[10:43] <GammaRay> w0arz: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=43
[10:43] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, nope, worked fine
[10:44] <ftwig> jnk:so how do I tar to a pipe?
[10:44] <bkw-laptop> what made X stop working?
[10:44] <alessandro_> hi
[10:44] <Gwildor_> ogra, it is nice, lol, I still se that instead of copying and pasting yourself, you still have to querry the bot for ppl, lol
[10:44] <alessandro_> How can I put the volume applet in the pannel?
[10:44] <jnk> ftwig: it's the default mode of tar
[10:44] <jnk> (checking)
[10:44] <bkw-laptop> Gwildor: does installing samba/swat working fine?
[10:44] <ogra> Gwildor_: true.... but its less stressing :)
[10:45] <makonaima> Hi all.  I'm an absolute noob to ubuntu.  downloaded it last night and have it up and running.  In the Applications | System Tools menu, I don't see Services.  Any idea what I'm missing?
[10:45] <Gwildor_> bkw-laptop, idk, never did it, don't use it
[10:45] <ftwig> jnk:cool
[10:45] <Gwildor_> ogra, very much so
[10:45] <Tyche> Does anyone run 64-bit processors?
[10:46] <jnk> ftwig: yeah I think you just leave out the 'f' option and it will write to stdout.. otherwise you can use '-' as a filename
[10:46] <Tyche> Ogra: Hey there.
[10:46] <ogra> Tyche: there are some ppl on the mailing list
[10:46] <ogra> Tyche: amd64
[10:46] <ogra> Tyche: hi
[10:46] <wfx> hi
[10:46] <ogra> hi wfx
[10:46] <GammaRay> makonaima: the services gui is missing from warty.. you will probably have to do it manually.
[10:47] <neill> right.
[10:47] <wfx> ogra, hi ;) but i say it for some minutes....
[10:47] <neill> I have two problems with my laptop
[10:47] <neill> 1)sound doesn't work
[10:47] <makonaima> Tnx Gamma Ray.  Quick heads up on how.  I'm a new convert from MS, and this stuff is a little like Greek to me.
[10:47] <neill> 2)speedstep doesn't work
[10:47] <wfx> lapto model
[10:47] <wfx> labtop
[10:47] <GammaRay> makonaima: lemme pull up a little howto
[10:48] <neill> it's a vaio pcg-z600LEK
[10:48] <neill> the sound is a yamaha pci thingy
[10:48] <makonaima> Thanks GammaRay
[10:48] <neill> the processor is a pIII 700 with speedstep , and a bx chipset
[10:48] <GammaRay> makonaima: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html
[10:49] <GammaRay> makonaima: that explains the basic structure of "services" on sysv style linux systems (everyone but slackware)
[10:49] <makonaima> Thanks again.  I'll run thru it and see what gives.  I appreciate the welcome and quick response.
[10:49] <caspar> hia
[10:49] <caspar> diddent work whit booting and passwd root
[10:50] <Chibi> Any XFCE users in here? :o
[10:50] <ogra> neill: i got a pcg-f707 600mhz here.....speedstep never worked on mine .... heavily tweaked bios here....
[10:50] <socomm> XFCE, that's so 2003.
[10:50] <caspar> GammaRay: it don;t work
[10:51] <Chibi> XFCE4.2? :P
[10:51] <caspar> GammaRay:the password is still not done
[10:51] <ogra> neill: sony did some weird things these days......
[10:51] <Gwildor_> chibi, from time to time
[10:51] <GammaRay> socomm: XFCE4 is very 2004 :-P
[10:51] <caspar> can i some how do it another way?
[10:51] <Chibi> I'm about to start doing RC1 packages for hoary, if anyone cares. :P
[10:52] <socomm> GammaRay: is it? I used 4.* back in 2003. It couldn't hold a candle to 3.*
[10:52] <GammaRay> caspar: so you got a prompt.. typed passwd root and you typed the password twice?
[10:52] <wfx> neill, ok sound should work with ymfpci
[10:52] <wfx> neill, i read it here: http://people.easter-eggs.org/~valos/Sony-Vaio_PCG-Z600LEK.html
[10:52] <jnk> caspar: are you on ubuntu right now ?
[10:53] <GammaRay> socomm: I've used it since it was just xfwm4, developement is very quick.
[10:53] <neill> wfx: yes. how do I setup alsa to to use ymfpci
[10:53] <ogra> neill: better take snd_ymfpci
[10:53] <wfx> :)
[10:53] <ogra> neill: sudo modprobe snd_ymfpci
[10:53] <caspar> GammaRay: yes the password for root didn't work
[10:53] <jnk> caspar: are you on ubuntu right now ?
[10:53] <caspar> jnk: yes on my normal account
[10:54] <jnk> ok, try "sudo passwd root" in a terminal
[10:54] <GammaRay> caspar: how are you judging if it worked?
[10:54] <jnk> what does it say ?
[10:54] <wfx> no it is  a oss modul
[10:54] <caspar> password
[10:54] <caspar> on an next line
[10:54] <ogra> wfx ??
[10:54] <jnk> caspar: here type your own password
[10:54] <caspar> oke
[10:54] <jnk> (normal user)
[10:55] <wfx> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/oss/ymfpci.ko
[10:55] <caspar> enter new password
[10:55] <jnk> type root password
[10:55] <ogra> wfx yep
[10:55] <jnk> (and again)
[10:55] <jnk> (desired root password, that is)
[10:55] <caspar> updated succesfully
[10:55] <jnk> now type: su
[10:55] <ogra> wfx all alsa modules start with snd_****
[10:55] <jnk> and the root password you just set
[10:56] <caspar> WOOT it works
[10:56] <caspar> THX
[10:56] <jnk> :)
[10:56] <caspar> love this chanel:P
[10:56] <swad> so, i'm seeing a bunch of sound issues posted on the forum today... anyone else in here have sound issues?
[10:56] <alessandro_> In what way can I have the volume applet in the pannel?
[10:56] <jnk> alessandro_: : right-click and add an item (isn't the volume applet already there?)
[10:56] <ogra> alessandro_: isnt it there already ?
[10:56] <wfx> ahh alsa hase also a ymf :) /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/sound/pci/ymfpci/snd-ymfpci.ko
[10:57] <caspar> BTW i have also an 64 Bit AMD athlon Laptop but Ubuntu gets kernel failure when i boot it. how can i solve that? (now have Suse)
[10:57] <Gwildor_> alessandro_, was there by default for me, but if its not, right click on the paenl, add<whatever>, then look for the volume applet
[10:57] <Gwildor_> jnk, beat me too it
[10:57] <caspar> annyone knows?
[10:57] <jnk> Gwildor: but you're more verbose :)
[10:57] <ogra> neill: correction: sudo modprobe snd-ymfpci
[10:58] <neill> okay. if I have 2 sound cards how can I pick which one to use
[10:58] <ogra> wfx thnkx
[10:58] <neill> ogra: working on it.
[10:58] <alessandro_> yes there is but it crach and I said delete it... But there isn't in the menu...
[10:58] <neill> it seems to have made the mixer do stuff
[10:58] <Gwildor_> caspar, you got a 64bit ubuntu disk?
[10:58] <caspar> ya
[10:58] <jnk> caspar: never seen a 64 bit, but what's the kernel error?
[10:58] <neill> (that question is for another computer...)
[10:58] <jnk> neill: you use them at the same time?
[10:58] <Gwildor_> well, im out, work is over ttyl
[10:58] <Gwildor_> be home in a n hour
[10:59] <alessandro_> jnk, in item there is no volume and battery applet.. there is only a short list...
[10:59] <caspar> jnk: well it just sai kernel boot failure
[10:59] <neill> jnk: yes.
[10:59] <kickb> hi everyone, I want my hdparm settings to be loaded everytime with the system. Where do I save them in ubuntu?
[10:59] <neill> I have hifi plugged into one and a headset on the other
[10:59] <neill> (one is a realtek onboard thing the other an audigy)
[10:59] <jnk> alessandro_: you mean when you click "Add to panel" ? (or something like that(
[11:00] <caspar> jnk: ik probeer hem nu weer te instaleren
[11:00] <jnk> caspar: nothing else?
[11:00] <jnk> huu
[11:00] <jnk> sorry no idea
[11:00] <caspar> jnk: it is a laptop
[11:00] <alessandro_> jnk, yes in the windows open with rigth click add to panel
[11:00] <caspar> jnk: maybe thats the prob?
[11:01] <makonaima> GammaRay:  I'm completely lost. Looked hi and lo on the URL you sent me - nothing about Services GUI.  Another cloe please?
[11:01] <jnk> alessandro_: that's not normal, what do you see when you type "dpkg -l gnome-applets" ?
[11:01] <caspar> jnk?
[11:01] <jnk> kickb: have you tried /etc/hdparm.conf ?
[11:02] <swad> What would cause there to be no sound output even though all mixers are up, all sound modules are loaded, and all user rights are in place to access the /dev/mixer device?
[11:02] <caspar> jnk: is the prob maybe becose it is a laptop?
[11:02] <kickb> jnk: no, but I will try now :) thanks
[11:02] <jnk> caspar: really, no idea... never seen a so sort message
[11:02] <jnk> but laptop or not the system should boot
[11:02] <caspar> well insatal should work
[11:03] <GammaRay> makonaima: the init section explains
[11:03] <caspar> it would have boot untill i get the sequence from when it wants to boot :P
[11:03] <makonaima> Thanks GammaRay.  Will Check again.
[11:03] <GammaRay> makonaima: services are scripts in /etc/init.d/
[11:03] <alessandro_> jnk, pn gnome-applets <not define> (description not avaible) or something like this, my system is in italian
[11:04] <caspar> well installing now
[11:04] <wfx> wow i cant find the alsa config files?
[11:04] <caspar> brb
[11:04] <caspar> under the shower
[11:04] <jnk> alessandro_: sudo aptitude install gnome-applets
[11:04] <liberaltugboat> only speak english? DAMN I dont speak english!
[11:04] <jnk> liberaltugboat: what do yo speak ?
[11:04] <liberaltugboat> American
[11:04] <GammaRay> makonaima: for them to be booted at startup.. sumbolic links from /etc/init.d/ are placeed in /etc/rcS.d
[11:05] <jnk> lol
[11:05] <topyli> liberaltugboat: you don't have to speak proper english. bad english is the official here
[11:05] <liberaltugboat> how are you doing?
[11:05] <GammaRay> makonaima: all the symbolic links that start w/ S are started, all the ones that start w/ K are stopped
[11:06] <GammaRay> makonaima: the number after the first character is the order
[11:06] <jnk> neill: have you a file /dev/dsp2 ?
[11:06] <liberaltugboat> i have spent the last month trying out linux distros, out of the 20 or so I have tried I think Ubuntu will be the one I use
[11:07] <makonaima> GammaRay:  Thanks.  I'm working on it.
[11:07] <GammaRay> makonaima: update-rc.d is the command line program that halps you manage them. you can gets it's manual w/ the command man update-rc.d
[11:08] <ogra> liberaltugboat: good move ;)
[11:08] <liberaltugboat> everything in ubuntu works (and doent kill off IRQ for no apparent reason like Mepis)
[11:08] <moyote> All Selections under Computer Desktop preferences respond. When I click on Theme nothing appears. Any suggestions how to fix this?
[11:08] <liberaltugboat> and the community is topnotch
[11:08] <liberaltugboat> my hat is off to all of you :)
[11:08] <GammaRay> makonaima: I'm a little suprised that the gui is missing though, but this is always nice to know
[11:08] <topyli> liberaltugboat: well that's the idea. it just works :)
[11:09] <neill> right. so sound now works.
[11:09] <agurchik> has ubuntu began shipping cds yet?
[11:09] <neill> thanks :)
[11:09] <caspar> btw
[11:09] <will> big dloads with hoary today :)
[11:09] <HrdwrBoB> agurchik: yes
[11:09] <neill> how do I get speedstep working
[11:09] <caspar> jnk
[11:09] <moyote_>  wt?
[11:09] <caspar> can i also have apache servece here?
[11:09] <caspar> whit sambar
[11:10] <caspar> on ubuntu
[11:10] <GammaRay> makonaima: ubuntu is bebian based btw, so that's a good refrrence point
[11:10] <neill> mjg59: you about? which module did you say I needed for speed step
[11:10] <ogra> neill :)
[11:10] <jnk> caspar: you can just install the apache package
[11:10] <GammaRay> makonaima: gah.. debian based I mean
[11:10] <caspar> jnk: is it on the CD rom or do i have to download it from apache.org?
[11:10] <makonaima> GammaRay:  Everything else worked so smoothly.  But I can't stop and start services.  I also can't manage www and FTP services, so I got a bit frustrated.  Love the product.  It's all new as I said, so it's exciting.
[11:11] <ftwig> hi - trying to backup onto DVD, got this far 'tar cv * | gzip | growisofs -dry-run -Z /dev/hdc' what other options do I need
[11:11] <jnk> caspar: it's in the ubuntu repositories. Just type "sudo aptitude install apache"
[11:11] <jnk> (or use the synaptic package manager)
[11:12] <topyli> makonaima: sure you can handle services. what's the problem?
[11:12] <liberaltugboat> so what is the difference between using apt-get and aptitude?
[11:12] <caspar> jnk: and how do i activate FTP?
[11:12] <wfx> why the alsa config files under /usr/share/alsa/ ?
[11:12] <GammaRay> makonaima: a quick tip is this.. you can run the services in /etc/init.d/ w/ the arguments stop, start or status
[11:13] <ogra> makonaima: sudo /etc/init.d/service stop
[11:13] <jesusito> hi
[11:13] <ogra> makonaima: or start or restart
[11:13] <jnk> liberaltugboat: aptitude is a higher-level front-end, with some nice features. You can alsa just type aptitude, it's interactive
[11:13] <Tenniru_> I'm having problems with Rhythmbox.
[11:13] <Tenniru_> It refuses to play mp3s, claiming I need a plugin to do so.
[11:14] <topyli> Tenniru_: you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad IIRC
[11:14] <makonaima> topyli:  I'm a linux newbie, and I'm accustomed to working in the MS framework.  So it's taking a bit of time for me to grasp the way things are done in ubuntu.
[11:14] <jnk> caspar: choose an ftp server, there are many
[11:14] <GammaRay> makonaima: I'm afraid I have to run off.. if you have any questions.. email me.. (I'll pm you the address)
[11:14] <liberaltugboat> oh ok, its the same program you use to pick packages during a debian install
[11:14] <caspar> jnk: what kind of server you advise?
[11:14] <jesusito> anybody know how to charge aditinional modules that are no include o the ubuntu cd?
[11:15] <alessandro_> jnk, thanks now work all right! by
[11:15] <jnk> alessandro_: np
[11:15] <makonaima> ogra:  Don't know which service I have to stop or start.  That's the problem. In the Applications | System Tools menu, I don't see Services.
[11:15] <topyli> makonaima: ok, just look at /etc/init.d and you'll find scritps you can run, with "start", "stop", "restart" arguments
[11:15] <makonaima> Thanks GammaRay
[11:15] <liberaltugboat> has anyone gotten doom 3 to run with sound?
[11:15] <ogra> makonaima: there are none in the menu .... currently its a commandline task...what do aou want to stop ?
[11:16] <alessandro_> jnk, np? sorry but my english ins't very good
[11:16] <ogra> +y
[11:16] <jnk> alessandro_: it's an abbreviation for "no problem"
[11:16] <alessandro_> jnk, thanks...
[11:16] <jnk> caspar: maybe vsftpd, which is an official ubuntu package, but I've never tried it
[11:16] <jesusito> how can i load modules for the kernel no includes in the ubuntu cd for the instalation?
[11:17] <caspar> jnk si then it should be sudo aptitude install vsftpd?
[11:17] <will> does anyone know anything about USPLASH?
[11:17] <makonaima> ogra:  I need to "manage" FTP to make it accept more than anonymous users.  I can't seem to find a way to manage the properties of the FTP server
[11:17] <caspar> so*
[11:17] <jnk> caspar: that's it
[11:17] <ogra> makonaima: which ftp server is installed ?
[11:18] <jesusito> anybbody whit a compaq armada 4130?
[11:18] <caspar> jnk: and an program to download and read better then firefox (just like smartftp or totalcommander on windows)
[11:18] <jnk> caspar: when you install packages, in particular network services, remember to look at /usr/share/doc/package-name and read at least the file README.Debian
[11:18] <topyli> makonaima: you seem like a good candidate for a Webmin user. i like it for administering just about everything
[11:18] <Tenniru_> Where do I get that... gstreamer-mad thing? So RythmBox works?
[11:18] <liberaltugboat> WOW aptitude is pretty sweet!! tons of great info on what is installed
[11:19] <Tenniru_> Indeed it is.
[11:19] <jnk> jnk: and *read* ?
[11:19] <jnk> oops
[11:19] <caspar> lol
[11:19] <jnk> caspar:
[11:19] <liberaltugboat> tenniru- you have to inable the universe repositories in synaptic them just search for it
[11:19] <makonaima> ogra: vsftpd 1.2.2
[11:19] <topyli> Tenniru_: you need to install it from universe
[11:20] <jnk> jesusito: you're sure the modules are not there, though not loaded ?
[11:20] <Tenniru_> Um... how do I install Universe, again?
[11:21] <ogra> makonaima: you should be able to login with your username i guess.....
[11:21] <makonaima> topyli:  What's a Webmin user?  I'm new!!!!!  Please save me from myself?
[11:21] <topyli> bonobo: universe Tenniru_
[11:21] <bonobo> Tenniru_: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[11:21] <jnk> Tenniru_: you can set that in synaptic (repositories)
[11:21] <makonaima> ogra:  THAT I can do buddy.
[11:21] <liberaltugboat> open synaptic settings>repositories then click the check boxes for the 2 universe repos
[11:21] <ogra> makonaima: so what else do you want ?
[11:21] <wfx> me is to slow ;-)
[11:21] <Mayday> anyone been able to connect an pocketpc based device via usb and synce?
[11:22] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic
[11:22] <bonobo> : package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:22] <topyli> makonaima: www.webmin.com, look there and see what it is. if you like it, you can install it from the ubuntu servers
[11:22] <Tenniru_> Thanks.
[11:22] <makonaima> Thanks topyli.
[11:22] <wfx> bonobo, thx
[11:23] <ogra> topyli: is there actually a vsftp plugin for webmin ?
[11:23] <caspar> i hate those RTFM files :| and user :|
[11:23] <topyli> ogra: no idea :)
[11:23] <liberaltugboat> one thing I love about ubuntu (among many)- the amount of bandwidth their mirrors have
[11:23] <ogra> topyli: heh
[11:24] <liberaltugboat> i get faster dls to the uk servers from washington state then i can get from the suse mirrors in oregon
[11:24] <topyli> ogra: i was talking on a more general level of newbie system adminning :)
[11:24] <caspar> jnk: isntaid of Saying RTFM tell me how i can add sambar for it
[11:24] <caspar> jnk: and also run that FTP whitout the samber FTP
[11:24] <wfx> ogra, http://webadminmodules.sourceforge.net/?page=Servers
[11:25] <jnk> caspar: the information in the README.Debian is the minimum you *must* read when setting up a new internet service. Sometimes the package just won't work if you don't do something special. Trust me, debian (so ubuntu too) really makes it simple to setup those services, but sometimes they still require something from you
[11:25] <jnk> caspar: do you mean "samba" ?
[11:26] <caspar> jnk: not samba sambar
[11:26] <wfx> yes there is a vsftp mod for webmin
[11:26] <caspar> jnk: samba is for windows disks i know that
[11:26] <jnk> caspar: well I've no idea what sambar is :)
[11:26] <ogra> wfx: i see
[11:26] <caspar> jnk: :| www.sambar.com :P
[11:27] <wfx> a webserver
[11:27] <Ruffian|Q|> Anyone used Ubuntu VIA VMWare?
[11:28] <liberaltugboat> ok I have a question... When I go into Network Settings and click on the general tab then try to inable windows networking, it tells me that SMB support is not installed
[11:29] <Ruffian|Q|> liberaltugbout, ya, i tried that before.....  I forgot how I got it to work though. PS liberals rock!
[11:29] <topyli> liberaltugboat: well, perhaps it isn't
[11:30] <liberaltugboat> well i searched synaptic and it looks like the smb client files are installed
[11:30] <Ruffian|Q|> ya
[11:30] <Ruffian|Q|> you have to enable them
[11:30] <liberaltugboat> maybe the daemon is just not running?
[11:30] <topyli> liberaltugboat: it probably wants the samba daemon, not the client
[11:31] <wfx> liberaltugboat, same here but i have mount smb shares
[11:31] <caspar> jnk: you saw it?
[11:31] <topyli> liberaltugboat: if you have the client, you can contact win servers, no hassle on your networking part
[11:32] <jnk> caspar: looking at it
[11:32] <liberaltugboat> i just want to grab some files off of my winxp laptop
[11:32] <caspar> jnk: now have wierd screen. can't read the file that is shown :| how can i do that?
[11:33] <topyli> liberaltugboat: you should be able to just mount the shares. how? i'll die before i remember
[11:33] <liberaltugboat> how would I go about mounting the shared file?
[11:33] <liberaltugboat> lol
[11:33] <nomasteryoda> smb://servername
[11:33] <jnk> caspar: in the terminal  you mean?
[11:34] <caspar> no the blue screan wht the options in the begining
[11:34] <caspar> can't read it
[11:34] <topyli> liberaltugboat: in modern times, you probably could do it with nautilus like nomasteryoda here is telling you
[11:34] <jnk> caspar: blue screen for what?
[11:34] <nomasteryoda> topyli: thanks
[11:34] <liberaltugboat> sweet!!
[11:34] <caspar> i cen cee white block but i cee it move downwards whit 3 screens @ the same time while it is also moving left and right
[11:34] <caspar> can
[11:35] <caspar> jnk:
[11:35] <liberaltugboat> i went into naut typed in smb://(servername) and it is there
[11:35] <nomasteryoda> liberaltugboat: enter domainname\username and password if on an NT/AD domain
[11:35] <stvn> liberaltugboat: check the connect to server option
[11:36] <liberaltugboat> yeah I didnt set up any passwords
[11:36] <liberaltugboat> its working now though
[11:36] <Carpediem9> hi all. I have downloaded 96% of Ubuntu live so I guess I get to play this afternoon. I'm pretty keen on Mepis but someone suggested Ubuntu. The support couldn't be worse than Mepis. How does this distro go with wifi cards?
[11:36] <nomasteryoda> shameless plug: >>> don't forget The Linux Show is on at 9pm ET tonight - www.thelinuxshow.com
[11:37] <nomasteryoda> they talked some about ubuntu last week
[11:37] <liberaltugboat> hmm i see all the files but they wont open
[11:37] <nomasteryoda> liberaltugboat: cool
[11:37] <liberaltugboat> gives me an error
[11:37] <liberaltugboat> that they dont ecist
[11:37] <liberaltugboat> exist
[11:37] <nomasteryoda> is the share winxp?
[11:38] <liberaltugboat> yeah
[11:38] <caspar> jnk: you know it?
[11:38] <liberaltugboat> probably cant open from NTFS right?
[11:38] <nomasteryoda> liberaltugboat: permissions required
[11:38] <nomasteryoda> that is no problem via smb
[11:38] <nomasteryoda> permissions
[11:38] <liberaltugboat> so i need to type in the username and stuff
[11:38] <jnk> caspar: I don't understand what we're talking about... what's this blue screen thing?
[11:39] <caspar> donno
[11:39] <caspar> you know when you install ububntu
[11:39] <caspar> jnk: then you have blue screen don't you?
[11:40] <liberaltugboat> alright I cant run it off the laptop but if I move the file over to my home dir locally it works fine
[11:40] <jnk> caspar: during the installation the background is blue yes
[11:40] <liberaltugboat> this works just fine for me I just want to grab some music and files from it
[11:40] <liberaltugboat> thanks for the help
[11:41] <caspar> jkn: well i i explaidn how that screen now moves?
[11:41] <liberaltugboat> I feel so n00bish with alot of this linux stuff
[11:41] <caspar> jnk: it dous it after the update
[11:42] <topyli> liberaltugboat: don't we all
[11:42] <topyli> i wouldn't know how to mount a win box either :)
[11:42] <liberaltugboat> well I sell windoze machines for a living
[11:42] <caspar> jnk:well i pressd sometimes Enter now and i reboot it now
[11:42] <jnk> caspar: what update?
[11:42] <topyli> but now i do know =)
[11:42] <spotter> anyone know how to change theme in hoary?
[11:43] <caspar> jnk: the update it starts automatic
[11:43] <jnk> caspar: automatic? in a terminal?
[11:43] <topyli> liberaltugboat: selling windows boxen is not a sin, it's a punishment :)
[11:43] <liberaltugboat> and as far as windows, hardware and perphirals, I spend 9 hours a day telling people how to use them
[11:43] <liberaltugboat> but with linux I need help... its weird, but I kind of like it
[11:44] <caspar> jnk: it asks if i want to update and i say OK
[11:44] <liberaltugboat> lol @ topyli
[11:44] <jnk> caspar: ah I don't know this feature... how do you configure that ?
[11:44] <caspar> but after it starts the Gnome system it gives an erorror (i think)
[11:44] <topyli> hehehe
[11:44] <caspar> it just updates evrything (i think)
[11:45] <liberaltugboat> linux has this nice challange to it that makes me want to keep using it, something I havent felt since I tried to keep a stable win98 box (impossible)
[11:46] <cardador> liberaltugboat: not only chalenge, but a real advantage
[11:46] <liberaltugboat> yeah there is so much to love about open source software
[11:46] <cardador> liberaltugboat: for a start, you can almost forget about virus, worms & co
[11:47] <caspar> jnk: ?? you know something or should i ask someone else
[11:47] <liberaltugboat> yeah the comp shop i work for takes in atleast 5 XP boxes a day for virus and spyware problems
[11:47] <liberaltugboat> its nice not to have the worry
[11:47] <wfx> doe anyone know when gnome support the xorg shadow function (like xfce http://www.xfce.org/images/screenshots/default2.png)
[11:48] <stvn> caspar: what is the problem?
[11:48] <jnk> caspar: maybe try someone else :) It must be 15 minutes since I've understood something in this discussion...
[11:48] <jdub> wfx: metacity had an inbuilt compositing manager long before xfce :)
[11:48] <liberaltugboat> wfx- support for xorg extensions will probably come in 2.10
[11:48] <caspar> stvn:
[11:48] <jdub> wfx: but it's all useless until xorg composite support is usefully fast on most hardware
[11:49] <topyli> wfx: it's being talked about, but first, not many believe in it yet, and second, it's pretty much up to the gtk folks
[11:49] <caspar> stvn: i need to reboot my system only it gives an error (i think) and it is right after everything is started (when the display should be on) on my AMD athlon 64 bit (whit the correct CD)
[11:50] <stvn> caspar: what is the error?
[11:50] <caspar> stvn: donno can't read it thats the prob (else i would tell you) i just have a blue screen just as the one whit the instalation
[11:51] <wfx> liberaltugboat, 2.10 .... i can wait :-)
[11:51] <caspar> the screen is just moving and viberating like hell and i can't read it
[11:51] <liberaltugboat> not only 2.10... but hoary! (same day)
[11:51] <caspar> stvn: the screen is just moving and viberating like hell and i can't read it
[11:51] <aaroncuk> whats the delete command in the terminal... dont laugh
[11:52] <liberaltugboat> delete command?
[11:52] <cardador> liberaltugboat: well, you dont need to wait for hoary if you dont care to be on the bleeding edge
[11:52] <caspar> aaroncuk: donno eighter
[11:52] <stvn> caspar: hm, some info please: you installed ubuntu on an amd64 desktop machine and that worked, and after that you upgraded something and now it doesn't work?
[11:52] <aaroncuk> i want to delete a folder
[11:52] <stvn> aaroncuk: rm -r or rmdir
[11:52] <cardador> aaroncuk: rm -r
[11:52] <jdub> topyli: no, metacity has a compositing manager already (though it's b0rked atm) -> it has nothing to do with gtk+
[11:52] <caspar> stvn: right after the installation ubuntu asks for update Right?
[11:52] <topyli> liberaltugboat: gnome 2.10 and hoary are pretty much the same thing, noting how ubuntu releases accidentally happen on the same day as gnome releases :)
[11:52] <liberaltugboat> cardador- Yeah my hoary iso just finished and I got an extra partition already waiting
[11:52] <stvn> caspar: yes
[11:53] <topyli> jdub: ah, i'm misunderstanding. need to reread the discussion :)
[11:53] <cardador> liberaltugboat: you can upgrade from warty to hoary quite easily
[11:53] <caspar> stvn: it is updated then it reboots and i get that "error"
[11:53] <cardador> liberaltugboat: no need for a clean install
[11:53] <aaroncuk> do i need to navigate to that dir first
[11:53] <ironwolf> aaroncuk: rm -r <foldername>
[11:53] <jnk> aaroncuk: use "rm -R" instead of "rm -r" :)
[11:53] <stvn> caspar: ok, can you access the box, while being online (eg different machine?)
[11:53] <aaroncuk> thanks
[11:53] <liberaltugboat> yeah I know- but I want a stable desktop
[11:53] <cardador> aaroncuk: its easier to delete it using nautilus
[11:54] <liberaltugboat> thats why I have 4 extra partions to play around on :)
[11:54] <cardador> liberaltugboat: me also, but i like new stuff :)
[11:54] <jnk> ah "rm -R" and "rm -r" are the same? (just looking at the man page). I thought "rm -r" did follow symbolic links
[11:54] <cardador> liberaltugboat: coming from debian unstable, ubuntu hoary its a piece of cake :)
[11:54] <wfx> time to go, have fun
[11:55] <caspar> donno what ip it is :|
[11:55] <caspar> stvn:
[11:55] <s1x> hmmm cake
[11:55] <Keybuk> jnk: rm *never* follows symlinks ... that would be a bit dangerous
[11:56] <liberaltugboat> yeah from what I have seen hoary seen pretty stable for as far away from release as it is
[11:56] <stvn> caspar: i meant physically, so I can ask you to do stuff and you don't need to reboot the machine everytime to ubuntu ;)
[11:56] <topyli> cardador: unstable always has pretty stable gnome though. hoary has 2.9 which can be unpredictable
[11:56] <cardador> topyli: yes, you have a point
[11:56] <caspar> donno
[11:56] <caspar> stvnyou mean SSH?
[11:56] <caspar> stvn:
[11:56] <jnk> Keybuk: yeah indeed.... dunno where this idea comes from :)
[11:57] <stvn> caspar: no, the machine you are installing ubuntu on, is it a different one than the one you are using now?
[11:57] <caspar> yes
[11:57] <caspar> stvm:
[11:57] <caspar> N:
[11:57] <stvn> caspar: good, boot the machine untill it gets stuck please
[11:57] <caspar> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA why is my keyboor this hard :|
[11:57] <caspar> stvn: allready @ it
[11:58] <stvn> caspar: press ctrl-F2
[11:58] <liberaltugboat> lmao
[11:58] <stvn> topyli: a nice fluffy one would be nice ;)
[11:58] <caspar> stvn: nothing happends
[11:58] <topyli> heh
[11:58] <stvn> caspar: what do you see at the monitor right now?
[11:59] <caspar> a vibetrating "installation" screen
[11:59] <caspar> same colors
[11:59] <liberaltugboat> lol
[11:59] <liberaltugboat> sorry, didnt mean to laugh
[11:59] <caspar> NP
[11:59] <caspar> my english SUCKS
[11:59] <liberaltugboat> just the mental picture I got
[11:59] <caspar> LOOOL
[11:59] <stvn> caspar: oh sorry, press alt-f2 ;)