casparnow "viberating termenol"12:00
liberaltugboathey I live in the US your english cant be any worse then ours12:00
stvncaspar: no info there?12:00
netmonkliberaltugboat, :)12:00
caspari live in the netherlands :P12:00
casparstvn: can't read annything thats the prob12:00
stvncaspar: join ubuntu-nl can help you there in dutch ;)12:01
liberaltugboatsweet! a dutch channel12:01
liberaltugboatwait... I dont now any dutch12:02
stvnliberaltugboat: there are many language channels actually12:02
usualyay evolution for gmail12:02
cardadorusual: is it working for you?12:03
liberaltugboatstvn: thats cool, Its nice to see such wide acceptance12:03
kensaiusual: evolution for gmail how?12:03
usualcardador, yes12:03
cardadorkensai: pop12:03
usualkensai, gmail has enabled pop access offically12:03
casparLOL @ liberaltug12:03
usualnot just trial anymore12:03
kensaiusual: how do I configure it12:03
usualkensai, gmail settings, enable pop12:04
usualkensai, then follow the instructions in other12:04
usualfor mail clients12:04
kensaiusua, I have installed python-libgmail and it isn't working12:04
usualkensai, don't need that12:04
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kensaiusual, thanks12:06
cyberwaveI have a Dell 5150 with mini-PCI b/g wireless built-in....how do I get it to work in Ubuntu?12:06
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Keybukcyberwave: does it not just work?12:07
liberaltugboatcyberwave: you might need to use ndiswrapper12:07
liberaltugboatcause it more then likely a propietary set up12:08
Keybukcyberwave: do you know which wireless mini-PCI card you have in it?12:08
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cyberwaveit's a 1350 something something12:10
sluDGeThello everyone! is there a chance to use the new firefox 1.0 with ubuntu??12:10
cyberwavei think I"m going to have to use a wrapper12:10
cyberwaveI switched from Suse when they didn't have something as basic as make12:10
cyberwaveand a very unintuitive, practically unfunctioning update mechanism12:10
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Carpediem9make might be basic to you but I have no idea what to do with it.12:11
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Carpediem9shouldn't need to anyway12:12
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jnksluDGeT: you can always use the standalone precompiled binary...12:14
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FTTPi just switched to the i686 kernel and it seems much faster12:14
liberaltugboatok one thing sbout gnome 2.8 that just eats at me... "right click">"remove from panel"12:14
FTTPi dont have to logout to get the new kernel right?12:14
FTTPor do i need to reboot12:15
liberaltugboati keep getting rid of my trash can applet when I try to empty it12:15
jdubFTTP: you have to reboot.12:15
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FTTPjdub:  Weird it seems faster without a reboot :)12:15
thoreauputicFTTP: after installing, you need a reboot to use the new kernel, yes12:15
jdubFTTP: it isn't.12:15
FTTPjdub it seems it tho12:15
ogracyberwave: look with lspci or the dvice manager to find the exact chipname12:15
liberaltugboatthey need to disable "remove from panel" when an item is lock12:15
topyliwhy reboot if psychology makes your machine so much faster anyway :)12:16
DespairI'm getting `ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619` 3 times while linking kernels in Ubuntu on amd64. And it's also getting kernels that wont boot. :/12:16
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sluDGeTjnk: i got it :) thanks!12:17
thoreauputictopyli: heh - FTTP is a recent convert and his faith is increasing by the day ;)12:17
ogratopyli: do you think it would be enough to just tell the users they have a new release ?12:17
ogratopyli: :)12:17
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cyberwaveoh shit.... i'm afk12:17
topyliogra: it's enough for microsoft!12:17
ogratopyli: hehe....12:18
jnksluDGeT: np12:18
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thoreauputictopyli: beat me to it ! :)12:18
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FTTPwhen you install the new kernel does the old kernel remain?12:18
FTTPin grub it still lists the old kernel12:18
ogratopyli: if the users wouldnt get it....we would be alone in here12:18
thoreauputicFTTP: yes12:18
jnkFTTP: yes you can remove it like any other package12:18
FTTPjnk:  using synaptic i can remove it?12:18
thoreauputicFTTP: it can be useful to have a backup kernel12:19
FTTPand by using the bootloader right?12:19
topyliFTTP: so do you have a lightning fast kernel?12:19
jnkFTTP: by synaptic yes, and the bootloader is automatically updated12:19
FTTPtopyli:  Now I do :)12:19
liberaltugboatFTTP, having a proven kernal on standby is always a good thing12:19
ograthoreauputic: failsafe should be enough....12:19
FTTPliberaltugboat:  Both are hoary tho12:19
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topylithoreauputic: FTTP: i normally like to keep a known-to-work kernel at the back pocket of /boot12:20
thoreauputicogra: good idea to make sure everything is working before dumping the old kernel :)12:20
liberaltugboatFTTP, oh.. well i still keep my old kernal12:20
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ograthoreauputic: yep.... but if it booted its mostly enough.....12:21
thoreauputicFTTP: the old kernel doesn't use much space anyway12:21
cyberwavethis channel rules12:21
liberaltugboatI just comment out the extra stuff in grubs menu.lst12:21
FTTPtopyli:  For me im testing distros...... im a desktop user who is still looking for that ultimate linux distro so i can replace windows.......12:21
FTTPubuntu is extremely nice12:21
FTTPhas lots of potential12:22
liberaltugboatthat way if it doesnt boot- pop in DSL edit uncomment the old kernal and bam back in business12:22
FTTPeasy to update :)12:22
topyliFTTP: well it can replace windows easily. i think the competition is elsewhere :)12:22
liberaltugboatFTTP, I have also been playing the distro shuffle game to find the perfect one, ubuntu is pretty damn close12:23
=== thoreauputic waits for the inevitable mac vs. PC war....
liberaltugboatmac vs. pc doesnt matter... they both run ubuntu ;)12:23
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FTTPliberaltugboat:  lycoris i tried but KDE is too much windows like and i dont like KDE12:23
thoreauputicliberaltugboat: indeed :)12:23
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FTTPlycoris is too much windows looking12:23
liberaltugboatwhat other distros have you tried?12:24
Carpediem9tried Mepis?12:24
FTTPliberaltugboat:  Fedora, SUSE, Lycoris12:24
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FTTPliberaltugbat:  slackware awhile back12:24
genwhat'd you think of fedora12:24
FTTPi dont like fedora12:24
FTTPi tried core 1 tho12:24
liberaltugboatfedora is lame12:24
liberaltugboatnothing works right12:24
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liberaltugboatand you have to use workaround for everything12:25
FTTPfedora crashes on the whim of a hat12:25
FTTPyeah fedora isnt stable12:25
FTTPdebian is stable as a rock12:25
FTTPand ubuntu is based off of it12:25
jdubplease take the distro comments elsewhere12:25
liberaltugboatbut fedora has good support12:25
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ograofftopic ?12:25
FTTPjdub:  look at what i started :)12:25
FTTPOK since this is not #ubuntu related lets go to #distro :)12:25
liberaltugboatwe are talking about the strenths of ubuntu?12:25
FTTPall distro chat on #distro :)12:26
gennice spelling12:26
zenwhenoh liberaltugboat chan -_-12:26
topyliFTTP: there's always #ubuntu-offtopic12:26
FTTPor #ubuntu-offtopic12:26
FTTPyour choice :)12:26
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jdubsomeone should populate #sounder12:26
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DespairSeems binutils 2.15 is known to be broken for kernel compiles on x86_64. Whee...12:26
ograjdub: noone did yet :)12:26
stvnbonobo: laptop12:26
bonobo: laptops with ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops12:26
topylijdub: to fight fedora over suse over debian?12:26
FTTPubuntu-offtopic it is12:26
KneelBeforeXorgthe only good distro is a dead one12:26
topylifinally some insight12:27
FTTPkneel: ?12:27
FTTPkneel:  #ubuntu-offtopic for distro chat12:27
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KneelBeforeXorgFTTP: r u distro chat?12:34
PeachThiefha ha12:34
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kgillanyone out there willing to help me with my networking problems?12:46
crimsunask away.12:46
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kgilli am trying to get it set up through ipconfig12:46
crimsun(ipconfig? there's ifconfig but no ipconfig...)12:46
genipconfig would be windows12:47
kgillI have it sending and receiving but not able to set the dns servers12:47
kgillmy bad ifconfig12:47
crimsunusing dhcp or static? Assuming the latter...12:47
kgillI am normally  a mac and pc admin12:47
crimsundns servers go in /etc/resolv.conf12:47
crimsunnameserver IP12:48
kgilland I can just go in there and edit it manually12:48
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TheStuffhow can i login with root account on ubuntu ?12:48
ograTheStuff: no need for root....12:48
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genyou don't like security much do you stuff12:48
f00fbughow do i get root?12:48
crimsunTheStuff: set a passwd for it using sudo. Note this is not recommended.12:48
kgillthe other problem is that when I do a restart, the machine does not save my settings12:48
ograbonobo: sudo12:49
bonobo: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:49
TheStuffgen : i have to configure menu.ls12:49
ograTheStuff: use sudo12:49
genyou don't need a root account12:49
usualuse sudo12:49
ograTheStuff: see the url12:49
TheStuffbonobo: thanx, i`ll check it now12:49
crimsunTheStuff: you can do that: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst12:49
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TheStuffthanx all, brb12:49
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crimsunkgill: how are you restarting? `reboot'? power switch?12:50
kgilleither shutdown -r now or through the gui and logout saving session12:50
ograkgill: which settings exactly ?12:51
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mike998mind if I ask a question?12:51
kgillthe network and screen resolution12:51
crimsunmike998: ask away.12:51
ogramike998: dont ask to ask :)12:51
ograkgill: how did you adjus the screenres ?12:52
kgillafter reboot, I have to do a Ctrl + Alt and + to see the login screen12:52
mike998I am using MPlayer to try to play a DVD - I have followed the multimedia how-to but when I try to play a DVD, I am getting a "Seek Failed" error from MPlayer.  Any ideas?12:52
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ograkgill: did you try it with the tool in the computer menu ?12:52
Matt|hiya. My DVD playback is really jerky and slow. Does anyone know what I can do about this? It is fine on other linux systems I've used on this laptop, and windows.12:52
Matt|hi ogra12:52
kgillthen I go through the gui to set the resolution and have to do this each time I restart12:52
ograhi Matt|12:53
kgillI used the computer menu to do this12:53
ograkgill: did you check: keep as default ?12:53
ograkgill: hmm, bad.....12:53
mike998woah - does anyone have a cluebat?12:54
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ograkgill: you can reconfigure your graphics driver: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8612:54
kgillI guess if I get the network working first, I can do an updat and see if that helps the second problem12:54
ograkgill: in a terminal....12:54
Matt|any ideas on the DVD question?12:54
kgillwill try thx12:55
ograkgill: its about 15 questions, filled with the current defaults, just adjust the res and keep the rest12:55
crimsunMatt|: ATAPI DVD drive?12:55
Matt|crimsun, yes it is12:55
ograMatt|: dma enabled ?12:55
Matt|what is dma/12:55
TheStuffcrimsun: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst this will do wht ?12:55
ograTheStuff: what do you want do do exactly ?12:56
TheStuffogra: i read the url, its really helpful, but i dont mind to learn more thats all12:56
crimsunMatt|: hdparm -d /dev/hdc  <-- replace hdc with the dvd device12:57
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Matt|crimsun, off12:57
Matt|crimsun, it is hdc btw ;p12:57
crimsunMatt|: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc12:57
mike998okaaay allow me to change my question - why am I not getting any audio from MPlayer when I do from XMMS?12:58
Matt|crimsun, ok done. shall i try again?12:58
crimsunMatt|: yes12:58
ograTheStuff: i got a graphical tool for adjusting stuff in menu.lst .... so i wanted to know if it applys to your task....12:58
Matt|crimsun, reboot?12:58
crimsunMatt|: no need to reboot, just try it again12:58
crimsunmike998: what output is XMMS using?12:58
crimsunmike998: similarly, which is mplayer using?12:59
Matt|crimsun, lovely12:59
mike998both set to oss12:59
Matt|crimsun, working. What is that and how come it isn't enabled by default?12:59
ogramike998: set both to esd12:59
ogramike998: if you use warty12:59
crimsunMatt|: a while before Warty was released, the decision was made to turn DMA off for ATAPI devices for safety01:00
mike998yeah - convert to ubuntu01:00
mike998there is no ESD01:00
crimsunMatt|: wikipedia.org/DMA01:00
Matt|crimsun, kthx01:00
Matt|crimsun, i appreciate the help01:00
ogramike998: mplayer -ao esd i think.... for xmms there is a esd output plugin afaik01:01
liberaltugboatknow of any good p2p client for ubuntu?01:01
mike998okay - I will check.  Thanks01:01
f00fbughmm.. odd01:02
f00fbugmy lexmark on /dev/lp0 isnt printing01:02
liberaltugboatand a download manager that can handle files larger then 2 gigs?01:02
Matt|liberaltugboat, what do you want to do?01:02
liberaltugboatf00fbug, thats because you have a lexmark01:02
Matt|liberaltugboat, d4x for the latter? Dunno about file size01:02
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liberaltugboatd4x.. is in universe?01:02
Matt|liberaltugboat, not sure i'm afraid01:03
liberaltugboatmost want to dl music and anime01:03
TheStuffogra: okay .. u want me to test it ?01:03
Matt|soulseek has a linux version01:03
Matt|so does piolet01:03
f00fbughas anyone here ever gotten drv_z42 to work?01:03
liberaltugboathmm i could just use wine and shareaza01:03
crimsunfor soulseek, I recommend nicotine.01:03
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ograTheStuff: want to ? http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/startup-settings.png01:04
sato___hi all01:04
liberaltugboatf00fbug, throw away the lexmark01:04
liberaltugboatit will never work right in linux01:04
sato___anyone can help me?01:04
liberaltugboati spent days trying to get my z42 to work right01:04
crimsunsato___: please ask your question already01:04
liberaltugboatit would print test pages01:04
f00fbugi dont care if it works right xD as long as its good enough to make her happy.01:04
liberaltugboatbut anything else it would die after a could of lines printed then i would have to unplug it to get it to unlock up01:05
crimsunf00fbug: wrong approach, and it will cause bigger headaches ;)01:05
f00fbugim trying to get her to buy an HP01:05
liberaltugboatlexmark printers dont think for themselves01:05
f00fbugbut.. NOOOO.... "the printer we have (which sucks) its good enough)01:05
sato___I have an USB Optical Wireless Mouse. And when i use it, The Buttons doesn't work, but the scroll and movement yes (sorry about my english :) )01:05
liberaltugboatthey are like winmodems01:05
liberaltugboatget an epson01:06
sato___i'm using IMPS/2 protocol01:06
liberaltugboatthe ink is about half the price01:06
liberaltugboatand the linux support is better01:06
f00fbugliberaltugboat, anyway howd you get it to print something?01:06
crimsunsato___: what make and model?01:06
liberaltugboatwell I have only gotten it to print under mepis... and only test pages01:07
crimsunsato___: model?01:07
liberaltugboatit wouldnt print anywhere else01:07
sato___one moment01:07
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liberaltugboathave you been to linux-printing.org01:07
sato___MODEL PAWM00401:07
sato___it's a mini mouse01:08
liberaltugboatthey have lots of help for printing but support for lexmark under linux is bad01:08
sato___and using a Live Distribution like Suse 9.2 have the same problems.01:08
f00fbugliberaltugboat, yeah01:09
f00fbugi hate this printer so much... oops.. did it just fall off the desk?01:09
crimsunsato___: looks like the protocol used is incorrect.01:09
crimsunsato___: have you tried ExplorerPS/2 ?01:09
sato___Hmm no,01:10
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sato___ok, one minute i will restart x01:10
liberaltugboat[sarcasm]  Oh no not a lexmark printer falling off the desk.. what a tradgety [/sarcasm] 01:10
Mojo_Jojo_Hi, for the past week xmms doesnt want to open and I don't get any errors when I try in the cli beem meedia player also doesn't open :(01:11
Mojo_Jojo_*beem = beep01:11
crimsunMojo_Jojo_: what did you try in the command line?01:11
Mojo_Jojo_xmms :)01:11
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crimsunMojo_Jojo_: oh, I thought you tried another command line player.01:12
crimsunMojo_Jojo_: like mpg123, etc.01:12
Mojo_Jojo_no I don't really like cli players01:12
liberaltugboatjust sudo apt-get reinstall xmms01:12
liberaltugboatthat usually fixes programs not working01:12
Mojo_Jojo_liberaltugboat, i'll try that once synaptic is done updating...again01:12
sato___Any other idea?01:13
crimsunsato___: you're not using gpm, correct?01:13
sato___i'm not expert in linux, so sorry if i say something stupid01:14
crimsunno, not gdm (the display manager); but gpm, the console mouse daemon01:14
sato___hmm how i see that?01:14
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crimsunsato___: pidof gpm01:15
ogracrimsun: its not on by default01:16
sato___apt-get install gpm?01:16
ograsato___: nope, its for the console....you wont need it01:16
crimsunsato___: no.01:16
crimsunsato___: try the "auto" Protocol01:16
sato___i do01:17
sato___and nothing01:17
liberaltugboatapt-get remove windows01:17
crimsunwell, you can try ThinkingMousePS/2 and MouseManPlusPS/201:17
sato___and i have probed PS/2 and more01:17
sato___ok, two minutes ( thx friends ;) )01:18
s1xsince ubuntu are such python fans (as myself) are you guys going to support gstreamer-python?01:18
s1xwould be really interesting01:18
Mojo_Jojo_crimsun, when I "sudo apt-get reinstall xmms" is says "E: Invalid operation reinstall"01:19
KeybukMojo_Jojo_: aptitude reinstlal xmms01:19
crimsunMojo_Jojo_: I did not suggest reinstalling XMMS.01:19
Keybuk(but speled right)01:20
thoreauputicMojo_Jojo_: also that command is wrong01:20
crimsuns1x: it's possible python-gst will be in Ubuntu Hoary.01:20
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ograKeybuk lol01:20
s1xcrimsun: niiice :D can't wait01:20
crimsuns1x: (it's currently in Debian Sid)01:20
Mojo_Jojo_oops...haha I read wrong sorry01:20
liberaltugboatMojo_Jojo_, use synaptic01:20
s1xis universe sid?01:20
crimsuns1x: no.01:21
liberaltugboatslx,  no01:21
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ogras1x: a recompiled snapshot of sid01:21
Mojo_Jojo_well I did the " sudo aptitude reinstall xmms01:21
Mojo_Jojo_" and that didnt work and yes before I uninstalled and reinstalled the other day and it still happend :(01:21
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liberaltugboatMojo_Jojo_, if you go into synaptic and search for xmms you can right click on it and select reinstall01:21
sato___Nothing Yet01:21
Mojo_Jojo_ahh ok01:21
s1xogra: thx01:22
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sato___The protocol ThinkingMouse makes crazy my mouse ^_^ and with MouseMan the Wheel Scrool doesn't work01:22
Mojo_Jojo_it still wont open :(01:22
sato___exist winMouse? XD01:23
crimsunsato___: MouseManPS/2 or MouseManPlusPS/2 ?01:23
liberaltugboattry apt-get remove --purge xmms01:23
liberaltugboatthen apt-get install xmms01:23
dleI think I saw someone here say something about Webmin (from universe) misbehaving with Warty.  Does anyone know anything about that?01:23
sato___MouseManPlusPS/2 i mean01:23
liberaltugboatdle, webmin needs root01:23
liberaltugboatit wont work at all01:23
liberaltugboatunless you inable root01:23
crimsunsato___: I can't find any help, either. Looks like you may be out of luck.01:24
liberaltugboatsudo passwd root01:24
dleliberaltugboat: Oh yeah, that was it.  Not a big deal really.01:24
kgillogra thank you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 worked01:24
ograkgill: great ;)01:24
sato___Section "InputDevice"01:24
sato___        Identifier      "Configured Mouse"01:24
sato___        Driver          "mouse"01:24
sato___        Option          "Core Pointer"01:24
sato___        Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"01:24
sato___        Option          "Protocol"              "MouseManPlusPS/2"01:24
Mojo_Jojo_liberaltugboat, it still doesnt open01:24
sato___        Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"01:24
sato___        Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"01:24
kgillbuy, still having problems with the network01:24
liberaltugboatand it worked before?01:25
sato___perhaps that could help you01:25
kgillit will not save the info that I set in ifconfig01:25
Mojo_Jojo_it open once then froze and never open again01:25
liberaltugboatare you using warty or hoary?01:25
liberaltugboatthat might be the problem01:25
Mojo_Jojo_I had a fre probes with warty01:25
liberaltugboatmight be a bug in hoary01:26
ograkgill: tried the network tool ?01:26
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liberaltugboathave you tried apt-get dist-upgrade?01:26
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kgillya and it comes up with one interfase that is ipv601:26
liberaltugboatsee if there is any updates01:26
Mojo_Jojo_not yet01:26
kgillset to lo "loopback"01:26
Mojo_Jojo_no new updates01:26
ograkgill: and if you add one ?01:26
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dleWhy does synaptic show packages that don't have the Ubuntu icon in the second column, but whose versions are as 1.4.10 (Warty), forexample?01:26
kgillI have to do a ifconfig eth0 address for it to reconize it01:27
liberaltugboatyou might want to check on bugzilla01:27
liberaltugboatsee if anyone has reported problems with XMMS01:27
liberaltugboatand hoary01:27
Mojo_Jojo_ok will do...but now haha*newbie*01:27
kgillI can imput the ip, netmask and broadcat but not the dns01:27
ograkgill: nope, there should pop up a wizzard if you click on add in the network tool01:27
kgillok 1 sec01:28
ograkgill: there is a extrs dns tab01:28
ograkgill: ....in the min window01:28
kgillunder network tools, no add01:29
ograkgill: in the computer menu01:29
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kgillI have been using app-sys tools01:30
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ograkgill: computer->system configuration01:30
Seqdoes anybody know if there is any reason nautlius doesn't seem to utilize fam?01:31
kgillcomp,sys conf, nenetwork will not launch01:31
ograkgill: any error ?01:31
kgillnope :(01:32
ograkgill: so you click it and nothing happens ?01:32
TheStuffi have bios fatal error after decompressing ubunto at the boot proccess, with an advice to turn "nobiospnp" , any comments guys ?01:32
kgillis there a location for error logs?01:32
kgillyup nothing happens01:33
ograkgill: /var/log01:33
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ograkgill: are you using hoary ?01:33
kgillit just says starting  networking in the task bar and goes away01:33
ograkgill: or did you mess with you root account ?01:34
kgillI have done a sudo passwd root01:34
ograkgill: ugh, why ?01:34
Gnobodywhenever I hold down backspace or any key it only works once01:34
ograbonobo: sudo kgill01:34
bonobokgill: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo01:34
kgilltrying to figure out why there is no root01:35
kgilljust learned about the wiki today01:35
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kgillwhat /var/log would give the error01:36
ograkgill: so you may have messed up something....thats why your network tool doesnt start.....01:36
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ograkgill: the one from the tool ? probably the last lines in .xsession-errors in your home directory01:37
lupus_anyone ever used runit?01:37
kgillso then what is the duf. between user, su, sudo and root01:37
ograkgill: see the url from the bonobo bot01:38
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ogranight all01:40
kgillok thankx ogra01:40
TheStuffnight ogra01:40
kgillso them I am screwed on the network?01:40
ogranight bro01:40
ograkgill: look at /etc/network/interfaces and see man interfaces, you have to do it manually01:41
kgillok will do have a good night01:41
ogranight again01:41
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scoonhello all01:53
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PorscheBoyhey there's a bug in ubuntu that locks up the system if you're running AMD cpu and nVidia video card01:58
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Safari_AlAnyone know of a way in warty to run a postinstall script (a la kickstart) in a chroot of the newly installed system?  Or is this tied up with the improvements that will come with hoary?01:59
KamionTopic for #ubuntu: [...]  Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/01:59
KamionSafari_Al: kickstart's a hoary target01:59
fissyarrg i logged into kde and its screwed up all my file associations02:00
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fissyis there anyway to undo the hideous damage of having everything try to run in kaboodle and kwrite?02:00
Safari_AlKamion, I'm not looking for kickstart specifically, but just a way I can run a script automatically after the install inside the installed system (chroot or otherwise)02:00
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Safari_AlIf it means I have to hack around something, that's fine.02:01
natexis this the main irc channel for ubuntu?02:01
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sladennatex: yes02:03
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KamionSafari_Al: if you're remastering CDs anyway, you could edit the base-config .deb to add the script you want02:03
PorscheBoyanyone in here running AMD and NVidia?02:03
natexsladen: ok thanks.02:03
[KrusheR] hi02:03
SeqPorscheBoy: yup02:03
liberaltugboatamd nvidia right here!!!02:04
[KrusheR] i have a problem... i tried to installed warty warthog on my amd64 but the process halts in the partitioning step02:04
Safari_AlKamion, what I am doing is netbooting and installing from a local mirror server.  So, if I need to modify a deb, base-config would be the best one for a post-install script?02:04
PorscheBoySeq, r u having lock up problems?02:04
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[KrusheR] may it be a phisical problem?02:04
SeqPorscheBoy: not at the moment, but i have in the past02:05
SeqPorscheBoy: although actually ubuntu isn't on that machine :p02:05
PorscheBoylol...same here02:06
PorscheBoyright now i'm running WinServer2K302:06
KamionSafari_Al: yeah, it'd certainly be the one I'd go for, assuming you don't mind that your script won't run until after the first reboot02:07
SeqPorscheBoy: well i dont have windows installed on that machine when im out of school02:07
Safari_AlKamion, I don't think that would pose a major problem.  Thanks for the pointer - most useful!02:07
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KamionSafari_Al: just a shame there wasn't time to get debian-installer preseeding into warty; it's in hoary but untested02:08
[KrusheR] help, anyone?02:09
Phr0stByteHas anyone here gotten Anjuta to do anything usefull under Ubuntu?02:09
PorscheBoySeq, all u got is linux?02:09
SeqPorscheBoy: at the moment, yes02:10
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PorscheBoySeq, i see02:10
Safari_AlKamion, Indeed.  I was trying things like FAI for automated installs, but they're very finnicky.  I think I'm just going to accept the status quo (need to do a postinstall script to bootstrap getupdates though).  Fortunately, 6 months is not really too long to wait.02:10
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PorscheBoySeq, r u using hoary or warty?02:11
SeqPorscheBoy: hoary on my notebook02:12
SeqPorscheBoy: i actually just installed it. i've been using gentoo for a while now02:12
SeqPorscheBoy: im going to step out for a second, be back in a bit02:12
PorscheBoySeq, that's cool02:12
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arc_hi all02:14
arc_does anybody knows why pmud crashes in my iBook, if I suspend the system, then it never wake up again anymore02:15
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DespairPhr0stByte: it just hangs during startup for me.02:16
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Mark1anyone here that could help me install java02:17
zenwhenMark1, have you looked at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19802:18
scoonMark1: certainly02:18
scoonwhat's up02:19
Mark1actually, i installed version 1.4 and then came into a problem02:19
scoonMark1: yes..02:19
Mark1because synaptic crashed02:19
Mark1so i can't uninstall it and try again02:19
Mark1any ideas?02:19
arc_Mark1: try to uninstall it using the command line02:20
scoonMark1: try and open up a shell and: sudo apt-get remove what-ever-the-java-deb-you-tried02:21
arc_sudo apt-get remove --purge (whatever you want)02:21
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Mark1i'll attempt to right now02:21
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Phr0stByteDespare: LOL! You make me fell a bit better!02:25
Phr0stByteDespair: LOL! You make me fell a bit better!02:25
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Phr0stByteDespair: I used it a lot under Mandrake - hope I can get it goin here02:28
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TziganeHello =) I've recently installed Ubuntu after using Debian for a few years.. I'm developing in wx, and have a few sets of wx libs I use to build.. Now, when building, auto* is generating Makefiles that link with static .a libs, not the .so's I've been using02:32
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TziganeI'm fairly fuzzy on the whole autotools thing, not having put in the time to learn how they work (I just use them through Anjuta, mostly, which handles it all so I don't have to..)02:33
TziganeSo I'm getting errors like: g++: /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.a: No such file or directory02:33
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Phr0stByteTzigane: I'm surprised Anjuta is working for you02:33
TziganeWhen I would be expecting it to link to /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.so02:34
Phr0stByteI cant get it goin02:34
TziganeReally? Damn!  What's it doing?02:34
Phr0stByteIt dosnt seem to find my SDL libs02:34
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FTTPwow, new version of synaptic for hoary :)02:35
FTTPman you guys are quick, lots of new apps02:35
Phr0stBytethough I point Anjuta directly to them02:35
TziganeSDL libs, eh?  Why does it need those?02:35
TziganeFTTP: They are, aren't they =)02:35
Phr0stBytealways tells me "cant find SDL.h"02:35
FTTPtzigane:   I love hoary, no bugs so far either02:35
TziganeWhen building?02:35
FTTPtzigane:  I havent found any yet to report ......02:36
Phr0stByteTzigane: Its the API I am using02:36
Gwildorfttp, ne problems her either :)02:36
Gwildorwow cant type02:36
Phr0stByteTzigane: Just like you are using wx02:36
FTTPgwildor yep did u get the new synaptic?02:36
Gwildorfttp, getting it right now02:36
FTTPgwildor:  kewl :)02:36
TziganePhr0stByte: Ah, yes... Damn, that's irritating02:36
TziganeHow did you guys install Hoary?02:36
Tziganeapt-get dist-upgrade, or from CD?02:37
FTTPtzigane:  Changed the text02:37
FTTPin that file02:37
FTTPfor the servers02:37
Gwildorfttp, gonna take 10 mins for this upgrade........dsl02:37
FTTPgwildor:  What speed?02:37
FTTPim on 5MBPS02:37
Gwildor163 kbs02:37
FTTPi can get up to 7MBPS HOWEVER my connection is spotty02:37
TziganeAh, I see..02:37
FTTPso i only pay for 502:37
FTTPand get 502:37
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TziganeSo, why are there no installation cds yet?  Is Hoary like an 'unstable' debian?02:37
Gwildorgwildor, that is my dl speed atm02:37
FTTPnot worth the extra 10 bucks02:37
Mark1hi, i was asking about java problems earlier02:37
Mark1went to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19802:38
FTTPtzigane:  ITs a development release02:38
Mark1but it didn't work.  the download was fine, and it installed correctly, but it just doesn't work02:38
FTTPtzigane there are isos out02:38
FTTPtzingane you can get the iso too if you want02:38
TziganeFTTP: Okay =)  And usable, obviously... Hmmmm... Might dist-upgrade to it02:38
FTTPtzigane:  i fergot the link tho02:38
TziganeWhat's new?02:38
natexMark1: how so?02:38
Gwildorfttp, how much you pay, cuz the PRO edition here (3mbps) is like 45.00 bucks02:38
Mark1well, i downloaded it to /home/ubuntu/desktop02:39
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jeldhello all02:39
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FTTPgwildor:  i dunno cause i get it with cabletv02:39
Mark1and did the command in a terminal window02:39
FTTPits like 70 a month with catv or something02:39
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Mark1then, went to pjm.com (because i know they use java) and nothing works02:39
Mark1(with respect to java)02:39
Gwildorfttp, hh, dont pay the bills i see, lol, wish i was that care free02:39
scoonMark1: what version of java do you want to run02:39
Mark1i was wondering if i overlooked anything02:39
jelda quick question, how do I make gnome-session export a few needed environment variables?02:39
Mark1i am fairly new to linux ....02:40
FTTPgwildor yes i pay the bills02:40
scoonMark1: cuz if you want, you could just run one of the free sdk02:40
KneelBeforeXorgjdub: build engineers!02:40
FTTPgwildor it comes right out of my online billpay each month <Grin>02:40
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scoonMark1: like blackdown02:40
Mark1yeah, i tried that earlier02:40
scoonMark1: and ?02:40
jeldbasically I want the environment from .bashrc to be exported to all applications02:40
Mark1but synaptic froze and i had to kill the session02:40
Gwildorfttp, hmmm, i apologize then, oh, on a budget here, i know what i pay, sorry02:40
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Mark1so then i tried to uninstall it and it gave me an error02:40
Mark1saying to reinstall it02:41
Mark1and that of course, didn't work either02:41
FTTPgwildor:  where are you located?02:41
scoonMark1: and what was the error ?02:41
FTTPgwildor:  Verizon 3/768 is 29.9502:41
Gwildorfttp, michigan, south east02:41
Mark1it just said to reinstall it02:41
Gwildorfttp, USA02:41
FTTPgwildor who is your telco?02:41
Mark1but if you try to install it again, it says it can't02:41
Gwildorfttp, sbc02:41
scoonMark1: becuase ?02:41
FTTPgwildor:  you use sbc dsl?02:41
FTTPsbc dsl is cheap02:41
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Ninkohi all02:42
Mark1let me get the exact wording02:42
Mark1here is one:  dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.02:42
Mark1so i did that manually and it had no effect02:42
Mark1other than allowing you to get into synaptic without an error02:42
Gwildorfttp, yup, i had comcast broadband, but it went up to 60 bucks, sbc is only 19.99, and i get like a constant 1.5mbps, rarly 2mbps02:42
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scoonMark1: what if you type java -version02:42
TziganeSo anyone have any idea about my .a/.so problem?02:42
jeldTzigane, whats the problem?02:43
FTTPgwildor yep 19.9902:43
Ninkois it difficult to install KDE on ubuntu and uninstall GNOME? is it advisable? (i'd like to see what KDE has to offer in comparison to GNOME)02:43
FTTPgwildor so why $45 ? :P02:43
Mark1"command not found"02:43
KamionTzigane: for installation CDs, look for "Subject: Array CD 1" in the ubuntu-users mailing list archives02:43
scoonMark1: try sudo apt-get check02:43
FTTPgwildor:  SBC yahoo is 26.9502:43
FTTPverizon now 29.99 tho02:44
RiddellNinko: very advisable :)02:44
FTTPfor me02:44
Gwildorfttp, i got a deal, i have that deal for 9 more months02:44
Mark1yes, did that about 30 minutes ago but i'll try again02:44
FTTPgwildor:  Kewl02:44
RiddellNinko: sudo apt-get install kdebase02:44
Ninkowhat of gdm then?02:44
Gwildorfttp, de we get verison fiber yet?02:44
Tziganejeld: I've recently installed Ubuntu after using Debian for a few years.. I'm developing in wx, and have a few sets of wx libs I use to build.. Now, when building, auto* is generating Makefiles that link with static .a libs, not the .so's I've been using02:44
FTTPgwildor:  im waiting for 30MBPS fios for $19902:44
Tziganejeld: So I'm getting errors like: g++: /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.a: No such file or directory =)02:44
FTTPgwildor:  Not yet :(02:44
TziganeKamion: Thanks =)02:44
Mark1E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.02:44
FTTPgwildor:  we have RCN fiber to the building here02:45
Gwildorfttp, youd pay that?   , wish i could afford it02:45
FTTPmy apartment is coaxial02:45
RiddellNinko: stick with gdm for now, it has nice eyecandy (only in KDE CVS with kdm)02:45
Mark1so i type that in02:45
FTTPgwildor:  I would.... if it was available...... a t1 line is $450 a month02:45
TziganeKamion: So what're the differences in packages between hoary and warty?  Anything dramatically different?02:45
Gwildorfttp, yeah, my high school had fiber,02:45
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jeldTzigane, may sound stupid, but did you check the compile and configure output for any messages regarding building dynamic libraries (.so)02:45
Mark1and apparently need superuser privilege02:45
FTTPgwildor:  If I paid for a fiber line to the basement i could have fiber :)02:45
Mark1but how do i do that?02:45
Ninkook....i've heard that KDE is bloated etc....why would ubuntu use GNOME as its default desktop manager? (i know this is probably in the faq but you can probably explain it better = ) )02:46
Mark1(i'm really new to linux)02:46
FTTPgwildor well technically speaking, but not realistically02:46
Mark1so if this is baby stuff, i'll get someone to help me02:46
Gwildorfttp, i was gonna say02:46
jeldTzigane, I presume, that you built the wx libs yourself02:46
Mark1i really don't want to seem like a moron02:46
Tziganejeld: Yep =)02:46
KneelBeforeXorgNinko: did you notice that it's tied to the six-month gnome release cycle?02:46
Gwildorfttp, maybe a fiber line to the neighbors02:46
Tziganejeld: And it used to work with my old Debian setup02:46
scoonMark1: we all started from somehere02:46
Tziganejeld: Now, I've had to build a static version02:46
FTTPgwildor:  most cable modem cos are mostly fiber anyways tho02:46
RiddellNinko: Gnome has done good work in terms of cleaning up user interfaces and taking away choices from users, KDE's user interfaces are too complex and give lots of choices to users02:46
KamionTzigane: new merges from Debian sid that are about three months newer than the ones in Warty; X.org; GNOME 2.9; various other bits and pieces02:46
Mark1scoon:  so any suggestions with this java??02:46
scoonMark1: just use sudo before any apt or dpkg commands02:47
jeldTzigane, so, anything interesting there? configure output should at least say something regarding if it is going to build dynamic libs02:47
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Mark1thats right...02:47
TziganeKamion: Xorg?  Oh, baby... It's in there now?02:47
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KamionTzigane: yep, a week or two ago02:47
OWN3DTzigane: welcome to 2 weeks ago02:47
Tziganejeld: Yeah, it does say in configure 'checking whether to build static libraries... yes'02:47
KamionTzigane: it's not that exciting from an end-user point of view though02:47
TziganeWell, it is with xcompmgr running02:48
NinkoRiddell: already I am liking KDE...I like complicated and complex interfaces with too many options02:48
OWN3Dyes it is02:48
TziganeWell, as far as eyecandy goes anyway02:48
KamionTzigane: most of the magic composite wizardry hasn't been written yet02:48
scoonMark1: first thing, what is the name of the java package that you were trying to install02:48
TziganeKamion: But a lot of it has =)02:48
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Mark1well, i did one via synaptic version 1.402:48
KamionTzigane: don't think we have xcompmgr in hoary yet, although an unofficial package is lying around somewhere02:48
jeldTzigane, OK, so it builds static libraries and your software is trying to use them but doesn't find them right?02:48
Mark1someone was talking me through it so i have no clue02:48
FTTPi may switch to verizon dsl tho.......02:48
TziganeYeah, it's quite easy to build too02:48
scoonMark1: and the name of it ?02:48
FTTPif fiber doesnt come02:48
Tziganejeld: It looks like it, yeah02:48
FTTPwho knows02:48
Mark1scoon: i think it was something like j2se02:49
Mark1or j2re02:49
Tziganejeld: or something else doesn't exist that it needs to do so02:49
jeldTzigane, is the file there or not? I presume it is not02:49
scoonMark1: well that dpkg --configure -a needs a package name after it.  that is why when you run it nothing happens.02:49
Tziganejeld: Or rather, I wanna build dynamically, using the .so's.. and it's falling back to the .a's02:49
Tziganejeld: It isn't02:49
scoonMark1: type this: man dpkg02:49
Tziganejeld: Just the .so version02:49
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scoonMark1: built in directions02:49
Ninkothanks for the infos02:49
FTTPsynaptic is an awesome tool02:49
scoonMark1: also, in synaptic02:50
Mark1scoon: i know i can go into synaptic and do a search02:50
scoonMark1: under edit, pick fix broken pakcages02:50
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FTTPsynaptic works great just needs to be easier for a newbie02:50
scoonMark1: maybe that will help you along02:50
Mark1scoon: tried that already, and there were no problems02:50
FTTPits kinda confusing at first02:50
Mark1scoon: also, i followed directions from page  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=19802:50
FTTPits only .56 tho :)02:51
scoonMark1: then what i'd do, is what I have done.02:51
Mark1scoon: i'm assuming it's a problem because i copied the file i downloaded to /home/ubuntu/desktop02:51
Mark1and never moved it.  i did the command when it was in that directory02:51
Mark1should i have moved it somewehre?02:51
jeldTzigane, OK, number one, do you have /usr/bin/ar02:51
jeldTzigane, number two, does your program use autoconf to generate Makefiles?02:51
scoonMark1: and i did the same thing as on those pages, except that i put it in my own users directory.02:52
jeldanyone about my gnome-session problem?02:52
Tziganejeld: 1: yes, 2: yes it does02:52
lupus_how do I get info about an installed package?02:52
Tziganejeld: Thanks, by the way =)02:52
scoonMark1: open a shell and type $PATH02:52
FTTPI have a question, lets say a new synaptic is released, does it automatically get placed on the server or does it have to be approved?02:52
Mark1ok, let me see if i can do that02:52
FTTPfor development ubuntu i mean02:52
scoonMark1: do you see /usr/local02:52
KamionMark1: make that 'echo $PATH'02:52
jeldTzigane, OK, can you check your programs Makefile and paste your CFLAGS and LDFLAGS02:53
scoonKamion: $PATH works just fine02:53
Tziganejeld: Not sure about the gnome-session stuff... Tricky02:53
Mark1Kamion:  here is what i get  /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games02:53
scoon"echo" is implied02:53
Kamionscoon: no it's not02:53
jeldTzigane, I know, thats why I am asking :)02:53
scoonKamion: try and see02:53
Kamionscoon: you get an error message that happens to include it, but echo is most certainly not implied02:53
Mark1scoon:  without 'echo'  bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: No such file or directory02:54
scoonMark1: eh02:54
scoonMark1: not a biggy02:54
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Mark1let me check some stuff first02:54
Tziganejeld: Is it worth putting it in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default ?02:54
FTTPKamion:  keep up the great work :)02:54
Kamionscoon: typing just $PATH at a shell means "please expand the environment variable PATH and attempt to execute the result as a command"02:55
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fissyjust noticed that if you choose to write an iso to a rewriteable disc using nautilus right click menu, it doesn't ask a question "overwrite" if there is already data on the disc. should that be reported to someone?02:55
FTTPfarruinn hi02:55
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scoonKamion: yes I know that.  but for someone who is new to linux, does it really matter.02:55
Tziganejeld:  http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/paste.cgi?id=68302:56
FTTPfissy:  file it in bugzilla if you wish02:56
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FTTPfarruinn you the one in queens i spoke to before?02:56
scoonKamion: i didn't think that i did.  the poor guy doesn't know that his java is not in his path.  why should i clutter his problems with more things ?02:56
Kamionscoon: sure, I'm just advocating correct shell02:57
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farruinnFTTP, sorry, don't think so02:57
fissyi'm off to bed, but will make a note to do it tomorrow02:57
FTTPfarruinn:  are you in manhattan?02:57
Kamionscoon: (since I spend much of my time battling incorrect shell)02:57
FTTPfarruinn:  In in Queens02:57
farruinnno, many many miles north of there02:57
scoonKamion: well in a pinch i just use $PATH without even thinking about it.02:57
usualFTTP, I'm in Albany02:57
farruinnYou must be thinking of someone else =)02:57
FTTPi saw twcnyc02:57
Kamionscoon: that's very odd practice :)02:57
scoonKamion: understood.02:57
usualI'm nycap.rr.com02:58
farruinnyeah, I have time warner cable internet, that's what that's all about02:58
FTTPerr syracuse02:58
scoonKamion: not really.  just few key strokes.02:58
FTTPmy eyes are bad02:58
jeldTzigane, interesting, you do not have any LDFLAGs, and from what I understand, you need to pass something like -lwx to make your executables dynamicaly link to wx libs02:58
FTTPi thought i saw twc, it was tw02:58
Tziganejeld: It is sorta odd, huh02:58
FTTPfarruinn:  Time Warner Roadrunner is good stuff02:58
Kamionscoon: call me a pedant if you like, but I prefer valid commands to intentional errors. :-)02:58
FTTPfarruinn:  Should be upgraded to 5000/512 :)02:58
Kamion(they tend to work more often, too)02:58
FTTPvery soon02:59
jeldTzigane, can you paste the whole Makefile, so I can take a look and see if I can find something?02:59
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scoonKamion: sure, sure.  this was such a trivial thing.02:59
Tziganejeld: Absolutely, one minute02:59
farruinncool, didn't know about tha02:59
FTTPfarruinn:  It started in california, but it should expand nationally02:59
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[KrusheR] hi02:59
FTTPfarruinn:  i dont know when tho03:00
FTTPbut soon i hear03:00
lupus_drwxr-s---   2 root   dip         96 2004-11-15 22:37 chatscripts03:00
lupus_s ???03:01
FTTPso what are the ubuntu developers working on today ? :)03:01
FTTPi have to join the mailing lists03:01
lupus_what is that kind of premission>03:01
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KamionFTTP: I'm not sure any two of us are working on the same thing right now. :)03:01
[KrusheR] i have a problem it the partitioning step...03:01
[KrusheR] it halts with no reason at 58 percent :S03:01
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Ninkohow do i set kde as the default (instead of gnome)? (if i just asked this question, my XChat died before I could see a response)03:02
jeldTzigane, BTW, I am not sure, but check your wx install dir for any autoconf/automake related files, it might have installed some and I am not sure if your autotools find them03:02
crimsunlupus_: not sure what you're asking. The directory is sgid03:02
TziganeIt does have a few, but those usually show up03:03
GwildorNinko, at the log in screen03:03
Ninkoah, okay03:03
Ninkouse a different session manager, gotcha03:03
TziganeThere's definitely something that's changed outside of that directory, because it worked wellb efore03:03
Ninko(sorry i'm such a n0000000000000bie)03:03
RiddellNinko: there should be an option for the default desktop environment at the log in screen03:03
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jeldTzigane, then they should contain some macros for wxTK to properly setup all the flags. Might be a good idea to use them. I am downloading the source for wxGTK now03:04
TziganeHmm, okay03:04
jeldTzigane, that was wxGTK03:04
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TziganeMay it be the path of least resistance to just build the .a's?03:06
jeldTzigane, OK, but you are gonna get huge executables :) Then you should take a look at the compile log and see why it fails to build static libs03:07
TziganeHehe yeah..03:07
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TziganeThe compile log?  Doesn't say much, just tries to link to the .a's and fails03:07
jeldTzigane, you transfered your wxTK install from your debian system right?03:08
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jeldTzigane, did you try to ldd your wx .so files to see if all the dependancies are there?03:09
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kbreitWhat is the default password in Ubuntu?  I don't remember setting it.03:09
GotD0thow do i change the default sound device in ubuntu?03:10
Gwildoryour user pass03:10
Gwildorkbreit,  your user pass03:10
jeldkbreit, it is disabled by default, you are supposed to use sudo to do administration03:10
Tziganejeld: Good idea =)03:10
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GmailGotD0t: Got r00t?03:10
Tzigane        libXinerama.so.1 => not found03:10
Tzigane        libXxf86vm.so.1 => not found03:10
GotD0tdoes anybody know how i cange the default device for sound?03:10
jeldTzigane, you wanna recompile your wxGTK and be done with it? ;)03:11
Tziganejeld:  Perhaps =)03:11
kbreitjeld: I would do just "sudo command"?03:11
KneelBeforeXorgkbreit: yes03:11
jeldkbreit, yup, it is gonna ask you for a password, enter your user password03:11
kbreitjeld: Yeah, it says "cd: command not found"03:11
KneelBeforeXorgkbreit: cd is a shell builtin03:12
jeldkbreit, cd is not a command, it is a shell builtin03:12
KneelBeforeXorgalas, you cannot sudo cd03:12
kbreitOh okay, I see.03:12
jeldkbreit, if you want to do this, you might wanna sudo bash :)03:12
jeldkbreit, albeit it is a bit silly03:13
KneelBeforeXorgdon't sudo bash03:13
KneelBeforeXorgjust sudo ls the dir03:13
KneelBeforeXorgand then use full paths if you can03:13
jeldKneelBeforeXorg, I don't think permissions on any directory on the system wouldn't let him look into it (besides /root)03:13
KneelBeforeXorgjeld: are you sure about that?  what about stuff like in /var/spool/exim?03:14
jg__KneelBeforeXorg, your nick is a bit excessive....03:14
KneelBeforeXorgjg__: thanks!  Yours is rather unimpressive, truth be told!03:14
kbreitHow can I install the VMWare tools on Linux if I don't have the CD?03:14
KneelBeforeXorgjg__: were jg and jg_ taken?03:14
jeldKneelBeforeXorg, not sure, exim is not installed by default and I don't use it03:14
KneelBeforeXorgjeld: aha03:14
jg__KneelBeforeXorg, something like that.03:14
KneelBeforeXorgjeld: lots of stuff in /var tends to be locked down03:14
jg__KneelBeforeXorg, and jg is my traditional login.03:15
Tziganejeld: Okay, back soon =) Thanks for the help.. I'm gunna just rebuild03:15
GotD0tok... i hate to ask again, but does anybody know how to set the default sound device? because all my sounds go to a device that doesnt have speakers hooked up03:15
KneelBeforeXorgthat's where I end up doing most of my growling at "cd: permission denied" screens03:15
jeldkbreit, for the sake of the argument, if you know what you are doing you might enable root password and use su03:15
KneelBeforeXorgjg__: jg wouldn't stand for Jor-El, would it?03:15
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jg__KneelBeforeXorg, nope.03:16
KneelBeforeXorgin that case, KNEEL BEFORE XORG!03:16
GotD0tdoes anybody even get my messages?\03:16
jeldkbreit, but vmware tools can be installed using sudo, by doing something like tar -xzf /media/floppy0/<whatever the file name is> and then running sudo <installer script>03:16
KneelBeforeXorgGotD0t: we seeyou03:16
KneelBeforeXorgGotD0t: me, I have no idea03:16
GotD0tthen a little acknowledgement of my existence would be kind03:17
kbreitjeld: I don't have the CD or floppy, that's the thing.03:17
mercurushmm ... anyone here used the tpb package ? ThinkPad Button enabling03:17
kbreitjeld: I downloaded the demo.03:17
farruinnGotD0t, the best advice I have is to read the alsa doc03:17
mercurusGotD0t, which device IS sound going through ?03:17
scoonGotD0t: if you are using alsa have you looked here: http://www.alsa-project.org/03:18
jeldkbreit, when you choose the "Install vmware tools" from the menu it is going to emulate CDROM and mount it on something like /media/cdrom0 or something03:18
jeldkbreit, you should see an icon appear on the desktop (not sure, might not work)03:18
GotD0tmercurus: the one built into my mobo... i would like it to go to my audigy, which is fully detected and working through apps that let me explicitly set device output03:18
mercurusGotD0t, ok, for a start reboot into the BIOS and disable the on-board sound there03:19
GotD0tmercurus: its not on there03:19
mercurussecondly, you'll need to blacklist the ALSA modules that the kernel is loading to support the on-board sound03:19
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GotD0tmercurus: but my audigy uses alsa...03:20
mercurusGotD0t, yes ... you only blacklist the modules it is loading for _the on borad sound_03:20
scoonGotD0t: http://www.alsa-project.org/  <-- all of your answers are there.03:20
jelddamn, am I the only one missing my environment vars in gnome-session?!03:20
kbreitHow do I get Ubuntu into a console only (ie. no X) session?03:21
mercuruskbreit, reboot it and choose the rescue image from GRUB's menu03:21
natexhat is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running03:22
natexkernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 03:22
natexshoot. sorry03:22
kbreitmercurus: So there's no way to do ctrl+alt+f2 or whatnot?03:22
jeldkbreit, ALT-CTRL-F1, then /etc/init.d/gdm stop03:23
Kamionkbreit: sure, just do it03:23
kbreitIt's not working.03:23
mercuruskbreit, there is, yes ... but you'll still have X running03:23
jeldkbreit, what is not working?03:23
Kamionif ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work then something is very badly wrong with your X server03:24
Kamionif it doesn't work after X has started, that is03:24
jeldanyone knows a decent GNOME2 FICS client?03:24
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jg__KneelBeforeXorg, I don't kneel before anyone.  My history with X goes back a ways, long before X.org.03:24
KneelBeforeXorgThis has nothing to do with X1103:25
KneelBeforeXorgthis is about XORG03:25
KneelBeforeXorgthe escaped criminal from Krypton03:25
jeldjg__, kneel before vt100 then, old man :)03:25
NJpersonHi All. Anyone available to help with getting a Xircom 10/100 PCMCIA Card to work with Ubuntu03:25
jg__KneelBeforeXorg, ok, I get half a clue.03:25
KneelBeforeXorgjeld: kneel before ASR-33, punk03:25
natexDoes Ubuntu install Kernel sources by default?03:25
kbreitOh i got it.03:26
crimsunnatex: linux-source- And no.03:26
scoonnatex: no, no kernel sources.03:26
jeldKneelBeforeXorg, :) :) :)03:26
natexok thanks both03:26
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KneelBeforeXorgjeld: http://www.i-mockery.com/stickers/zod-sticker.gif03:26
natexI found them with the package manager03:26
jg__jeld, yup, guilty as charged; I've even used vt100's....03:26
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jg__KneelBeforeXorg, I think I finally got rid of my h19 a while back.03:27
Kamion"goes back a ways" - heh, understatement03:27
jg__KneelBeforeXorg, I've used ASR-33's too...03:28
KneelBeforeXorgyeah, I have as well03:28
KneelBeforeXorgnoisy damn things03:28
GotD0tthats for the site scoon03:29
scoonGotD0t: you bet.  that site has given me 5.1 surround.  i love it.03:29
jeldKneelBeforeXorg, I was in a different country, back than, so my first involvement was with 001003:30
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KneelBeforeXorgsorry, I'm strictly UFT-8 now03:30
GotD0tscoon: i already have 5.1 surround for XMMS, but thats because it lets you set the output device for it specifically. but i just need to tell my system to use the audigy for eveyrthing else as well03:31
KamionKneelBeforeXorg: that looked like UTF-8 to me03:31
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KneelBeforeXorgmaybe my screen session is too old03:31
Ninkoso let me get this straight....why do people actually use gnome? :-[03:32
Ninkothey enjoy the simplicity?03:32
KamionKneelBeforeXorg: try 'C-a :utf8 on'?03:32
jeldand also this beast http://phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/iskra1030m.shtml03:32
debonzihi all, does anybody knows about any issue with the audio card "ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller"?03:32
Ninko(sorry for bringing up the tired debate, but i just want infos)03:32
GotD0tATI makes sound?03:32
housetierNinko what you need the info for?03:32
KneelBeforeXorgKamion: didn't help03:32
Ninkojust wondering :)03:32
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jeldNinko, why people use GNOME as opposed to?03:32
kbreitjeld: VMware is saying my kernel headers  ( don't match my running kernel (  How do I fix this?03:32
KamionKneelBeforeXorg: suggests the terminal it's running in isn't UTF-8 then ...03:32
Ninkoas opposed to KDE03:32
debonziGotD0t, seams to.. but is not working03:32
housetierNinko do you expect honest answers?03:33
KneelBeforeXorgKamion: it sure is03:33
Ninkowell, nevermind03:33
jg__Ninko, some of us old farts have stopped likeing to mess around with thier systems, and want one that works well in the first place....03:33
KneelBeforeXorgNinko: we run it to entertain little trolls03:33
jeldkbreit, did you install kernel source using apt or manualy?03:33
kbreitjeld: apt.03:33
jeldkbreit, which package?03:33
Ninkoi ain't trollin'! i am just a n00b03:33
jeldkbreit, all you should need is the linux-headers package03:34
housetierNinko in that case, the only sensible answer is: try and see for yourself03:34
kbreitjeld: I did linux-headers-2.6-386, linux-headers- and linux-headers-
Ninkoah, thank you03:34
kbreitjeld: Also linux-kernel-headers03:35
Kamionlinux-kernel-headers is strictly for internal use by glibc03:35
kbreitYeah, well it was already installed.03:35
Kamionit's really misnamed, should've been glibc-kernel-headers03:35
Ninkonow another question: how long would it take to compile a kernel on a 1.6 ghz pentium 4?03:36
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jeldNinko, personaly, I used KDE for quite a while, and there are good and bad things about both GNOME and KDE. Currently I use GNOMe because that seems to be the officialy supported desktop environment in ubuntu03:37
kbreitjeld: There is no "linux-headers" package.03:37
Kamionkbreit: linux-headers-2.6-386 should do fine03:37
jeldkbreit, yes, I meant the one with the version number03:37
Ninkoboth are cool03:37
Ninkoyou are cool, guys03:37
kbreitYeah, that's what I'm specifying.  When it asks for the path of the headers I give it /usr/src/linux-headers- and it says it's not the right kernel version.03:38
jeldkbreit, don't rightly know what to say, it worked for my nvidia module03:38
jeldkbreit, does uname -r show the right version?03:40
kbreituname shows
jeldkbreit, OK, I think I know what is going on, it seems that vmware is not checking the headers version properly03:41
kbreitjeld: I was wondering if that was the problem.  Is there a file which holds the version that I can edit?03:41
Rob|LinuxIntel or AMd ?03:42
kbreitRob|Linux: Are you asking me?03:42
jeldkbreit, just to make sure cat /usr/src/linux-headers-
Rob|Linuxgeneral :)03:42
kbreitjeld: UTS_RELEASE ""03:43
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jeldkbreit, are you using any flags to tell it where to look for the headers? try the path with full version number03:44
kbreitjeld: No, it's part of a script where it asks me what path.03:44
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kbreitjeld: No args and when I specify the dir, I specify the dir with the stuff, so I have version numbers.03:45
jeldkbreit, you said that you gave it a short version of the path, give it the long version with -3-386 in the end03:45
kbreitjeld: I did that too03:45
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kbreitjeld: Oh, I guess I didn't, it works now *sigh*03:45
kbreitTried everything except 386, I had -303:45
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jeldkbreit, I suppose that it is stupid enough that instead of using the KERNEL_VERSION macro, it goes by the directory name :)03:46
jeldkbreit, very silly of vmware03:46
smoCurious, vmware shouldn't have to ask?  I'd have expected it to be recent enough to follow the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink03:47
kbreitjeld: Doesn't gdm exist in ctrl+alt+f7?03:47
farruinnkbreit, I've never known it to exist anywhere else03:48
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kbreitjeld: Because I start gdm on the console and it kicks me back to the console.03:48
kbreitVMware screwed with my X :/03:49
jeldkbreit, it should by default be on tty7, but you have to check if it is at all running and if it spawned the X server as it should. Sometimes it gets confused and doesn't respawn right away03:49
natexso kbreit.. did you get the right dir for VMware (the headers that is)?03:49
kbreitjeld: Well, it tries to load X then kicks back to console, lather rinse repeat 3 times.03:50
kbreitnatex: Yeah, the dir name was wrong, VMware detects it crappily.03:50
jeldsmo, I think they are not quite up-to-date in the 2.6 world03:50
natexkbreit: can you print the dir you used to make it right? (I am working on the same problem).03:51
jeldkbreit, stop gdm, and try to start X manualy, check the logs and find out what the problem is03:51
jeldnatex, /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`03:51
kbreitYes, that would work.03:51
natexok thanks03:52
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kbreitOkay, it can't open input device for Mouse1.03:52
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jeldkbreit, check out the XF86Config and change the mouse device to the correct one (/dev/input/mice for usb and /dev/psaux for PS/2)03:53
jeldkbreit, vmware is very slpppy about how it changes the X config, check out the original and import all the nice stuff like font paths03:53
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kbreitAhh okay, there you go.03:55
jelddrats!!! I found where the environment should be setup in gnome session, it just isn't! gotta file a bug03:55
kbreitjeld: Yeah, VMWare doesn't seem to detect this type of thing.03:55
jeldkbreit, on a real system it is MUCH easier, it is just that vmware doesn't seem to be very considerate about a few things03:56
jeldkbreit, I installed ubuntu warty on both my work and home systems and in both cases it went without a single hickup03:57
kbreitjeld: I've been using Linux for 5 years, so I know it shouldn't be this hard.  I did attribute it to VMWare and not Ubuntu by the way.03:57
jeldkbreit, cool03:57
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jeldkbreit, I installed a few different distros in vmware, but I didn't do ubuntu, so I couldn't provide you with all the info at once :)03:58
kbreitjeld: They don't officially support Ubuntu, IIRC.03:58
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kbreitjeld: Does Ubuntu have the packages to do DVD playback?03:59
jeldkbreit, well, it doesn't always work right away even with distros they support, but for those they have FAQs and manuals03:59
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kbreitjeld: Also, will a Linux distro in VMWare see the file system which are on the host system?04:00
jeldkbreit, short version is NO, due to some legal issues with DeCSS libs, but there are a couple of sources you can add which will have all the needed stuff04:00
jeldkbreit, what version of vmware?04:00
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kbreitjeld: 4.5.204:01
jeldkbreit, you will need to "share" your host file system somehwre in the preferences, and mount it, I don't recall the exact mount command, but I think it shows up as an SMB volume04:01
kbreitjeld: Okay.  I want to be able to hit up my music.04:02
socommYo, any  girls here!04:03
jeldkbreit, I think what happens is that vmware runs a private samba server and when you share a directory on your host FS it will add it to samba shares. Your sound is not gonna be that great though, after all this is an emulated sound card04:03
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kbreitjeld: Also, does Ubuntu use HAL?04:04
socommkbreit: HAL?04:04
kbreitsocomm: Hardware Something Layer04:04
kbreitOh yeah, that's it.04:05
jeldkbreit, yes it does04:05
kbreitjeld: I want to see if it picks up my USB keychain.04:06
jeldkbreit, here is the apt source for DeCSS libs deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main04:06
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jeldkbreit, to use it you will need to switch to totem-xine from totem-gstreamer and you might also wanna look for win32 codecs04:07
kbreitjeld: It's not automounting my keychain, but I guess I'll blame that on VMware I guess.04:07
jeldkbreit, if all goes well it should, picks up my iRiver04:07
kbreitjeld: Through VMware?04:08
jeldkbreit, no, so I am not sure04:08
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kbreitjeld: Do you know how to calculate bond interest payments before and after taxes? :)04:09
swimubuntu x86_64 can use x86_64 debian packages cant it?04:10
jeldkbreit, no! what gave you an idea I could? :)04:12
kbreitjeld: You've answered every question so far.04:12
natexkbreit: man H&R Block04:12
socommswim: Anything is possible.04:12
natexkbreit: ;)04:12
kbreitnatex: Command not found.04:12
socommnatex: that will background `man H'04:12
swimsocomm, umm so not really?04:12
kbreitIs there any reason I couldn't connect to Freenode through Linux in VMWare?04:13
kbreitIt's hanging at the Connecting to...section.04:13
socommswim: why don't you give it a try?04:13
natexkbreit: can you get to the internet?04:13
swimsocomm, because Id have to install ubuntu first04:13
kbreitnatex: Yup04:13
kbreitActually, nope.04:14
kbreitMy school has MAC addy registration and it can't obtain the MAC addy for the Linux setup.04:14
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natexuse the NAT setup.04:14
FTTPI have Windows and Linux, i could run them with VMWARE together right?04:14
socommswim: get the live CD, unpack a deb and see if the binary can run.04:14
swimsocomm, why cant you just tell me?04:15
socommswim: because I don't have a 64 bit processor .....04:15
jeldFTTP, sure, more than that, you can run Linux from your Windows and Windows from your Linux (not that it makes much sense)04:15
kbreitI'll be back in a few minutes.04:15
jeldkbreit, :)04:15
FTTPjeld:  Is VMWARE the best program which does it?04:16
paulproteusjeld: Have you heard of coLinux?04:16
swimcan anyone tell me if ubuntu x86_64, can use debian x86_64 packages?04:16
socommswim: but you can run programs that are compiled for other operating systems on ubuntu, the lame rpm for example.04:16
jeldpaulproteus, sounds familiar, but I am not sure04:16
paulproteusYou might try that.  It's Free Software.04:16
paulproteusGo Google it, if you can.  It's neat stuff.04:16
jeldFTTP, by far is the easiest one, there are others of course04:16
jeldFTTP, there is also Win4Lin, but that requires a special kernel and only supports Win98 (Yikes!), there is bochs (a kind of OSS vmware) but it is rather limited in hardware support and is a bit of a pain to setup04:18
farruinnanyone know how I could get vncviewer 3.7 for ubuntu?04:18
jeldpaulproteus, I did, but I think I am not gonna be able to try it (don't have any windows systems)04:19
farruinnwarty comes with 3.3 but I need to connect to a machine that uses 3.7 =(04:19
paulproteusI think I got the direction of emulation wrong, jeld. :)04:19
jdubfarruinn: you should be able to without any problems04:19
farruinnI get "http://www.uk.research.att.com"04:20
farruinnargh, not THAT04:20
farruinnVNC server supports protocol version 3.7 (viewer 3.3)04:20
jeldfarruinn, I am running hoary, but try to check apt-cache show xvnc4viewer04:20
farruinnno packages found04:21
jdubfarruinn: you can still connect04:21
farruinnwell, the other machine can connect to me fine, I just can't seem to connect to it.04:22
jeldfarruinn, thats bad, that means the packages are in hoary somewhere, might wanna try to manualy download and install04:22
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farruinncouldn't I just add hoary to my sources.list and apt-get install xvnc4viewer=[whatever comes with hoary] 04:23
usualfarruinn, do you have universe enabled in apt04:23
farruinnah, I just started using ubuntu yesterday and haven't found out what universe is yet04:24
jeldfarruinn, yes, you can, but you will have to screw around with apt priorities so your system doesn't become hoary on the next dist-upgrade04:24
djtanseyhow can i check what connections have been made to my computer? i.e. where connections to my vnc server have come from?04:24
jeldfarruinn, did you ever use debian?04:24
farruinnyeah =)04:24
farruinnthat's the only other distro I've used04:24
usualedit /etc/apt/sources.list04:24
usualuncomment universe04:24
jeldfarruinn, and add multiverse while you are at it :)04:25
farruinnok, what are these things?04:25
usualand schedule a flight to the moon04:26
jeldfarruinn, should look something like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse04:26
jeldfarruinn, s/hoary/warty/04:26
usualxvnc4viewer - Virtual network computing client software for X04:26
farruinnusual, flight to the moon? ....04:26
usualI was joking04:26
farruinnaaaaah, univers, multiverse... got it ;-)04:27
jeldusual, I wish I could comment out the universe in RL04:27
farruinnwow, I'm slow04:27
jeldusual, or at least some parts of it04:27
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jeldok guys, see you later04:29
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mrproperYay, works in VMWare.04:30
socommStill using Microsoft's Operating System?04:31
socommGive it up man!04:31
mrpropersocomm: Yup.  Until Linux works better with my job...04:31
mrproperDoes anyone know if Ubuntu has the nifty inotify stuff in the kernel?04:32
RageMaxnautilus seems to be really unstable in hoary04:32
jdz`RageMax: How so?04:32
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farruinnI must have done something incorrectly because apt-cache show xvnc4viewer still says no package found04:33
socommmrproper: work is for losers.04:33
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farruinnI did a apt-get update04:33
mrpropersocomm: Yeah, guess it is.04:33
jdubmrproper: it doesn't, hoary will.04:34
socommmrproper: Start a corporation and get some of that corporate welfare. You'll be rolling in government money in no time.04:34
mrproperjdub, Oh, good stuff.04:34
socommjdub: will or does?04:34
mrproperMy firefox links display in bright green.04:35
orc3nI'm going to get flamed for this, but oh well. I still prefer IE04:35
jdubsocomm: will.04:36
RageMaxjdz`: it crashes many times a day when I open up files from it04:36
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RageMaxI haven't exactly been able to reproduce the crashes though04:36
GotD0tdoes anybody know how to reload alsa?04:37
mrproperAre there any GNOME notification applets for gmail?04:37
farruinndid I do this right?  uncommented universe and added multiverse to /etc/apt/sources.list, ran "apt-get update", "apt-cache show xvnc4viewer"?04:37
socommorc3n: then use IE ....04:38
orc3nfarruinn 1 at a time04:38
jdz`farruinn: Is the package name right?  Might try `apt-cache search vnc'04:38
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orc3nIts just more stable in my case, firefox likes to crash on me for some reason.04:38
Gmailmrproper: yes04:38
farruinnhm, I'll check but I thought someone here pasted their output of apt-cache show xvnc4viewer04:38
mrproperGmail, Where, I can't seem to find them.04:39
usualmrproper, google it04:39
Gmailmrproper: goto footnotes and search gmail04:39
GotD0tmrproper: well you can set your favorite RSS feed reader to get an xml file of your new messages04:40
mrproperGotD0t, Yeah, I know there's that feature.  I want something a little more...intrusive.04:40
centurionanyone playing fps games?04:40
centurionquake3 etc?04:40
centurionany gamecube junkies?04:40
socommI'm a SeXBox junkie.04:41
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aitruscenturion: maybe you should try #ubuntu-offtopic04:41
socommMod it, add a bigger HDD and `backup' games to your hearts content.04:41
socommaitrus: whoops good point.04:41
GotD0tmrproper: well if you know of a command line app that takes in an RSS file and makes it human readable you could set up cron to retrieve the RSS file and then run the app04:42
GotD0tmrproper: or you could code your own ;-)04:42
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GotD0tmrproper: do you have POP3 support on your gmail account yet?04:45
mrproperGotD0t, Got it today.04:45
GotD0tmrproper: then use an intrusive mail reader04:45
mrproperGotD0t, I want an applet :/04:45
Amaranthwrong channel04:46
jmhodgesanybody have a handle on a tomboy deb?04:48
GotD0tdoes anybody know how to reload ALSA?04:48
lemsx1GotD0t, what do you mean by "reload"04:48
jmhodgesGotD0t: `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart` ?04:49
lemsx1GotD0t, sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop && sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start ?04:49
socommGotD0t: alsactl04:49
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socommI guess the init scripts will do a better job, though.04:49
mrproperMy mouse is acting funny.  It doesn't change cursors directly over the item it should, at least it's offset a few pixels.04:50
lemsx1alsactl for the mixer levels: alsactl store04:50
socommlemsx1: whatever.04:51
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GmailGotD0t: og couse04:53
GotD0tGmail: of course what?04:55
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farruinnso how is hoary?04:59
Gmail<GotD0t> mrproper: do you have POP3 support on your gmail account yet?05:00
usualeveryone does i think05:01
usualseems offcial05:01
GotD0tGmail: i wasnt asking you... and if you didnt realize they were phasing in POP3 support05:01
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GotD0tGmail: so not everyone got them at the same time05:01
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usuali got it, and new features mentions it05:01
jdz`GotD0t: I got it today :)05:01
usualseems offical05:01
Gnobodydoes hoary work well with XFCE 4.2 RC1 yet???05:01
usualdumb question05:01
GotD0twhats a dumb question05:02
GmailI love Microsoft, "yesterday's technology, tommorow".05:02
lemsx1guys. no offense to any of you, but you could talk about these things in #ubuntu-offtopic05:02
lemsx1again no offense to anybody...05:02
GnobodyDid you see the latest balmer speech on news.com?05:02
Gmail--- Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).05:02
lemsx1Gmail, wow, that's sad05:03
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Gnobody"Linux has more security volurabilities than Windows"05:03
usualand less spell checks05:03
usualjust fuckin with ya05:03
GotD0tGmail: if you were banned from an off-topic channel then you probably shouldnt be in an on-topic channel ;-)05:03
GnobodyI was quoting Balmer05:03
usualgetting banned from any channel on freenode is a chore05:04
GmailGotD0t: i got banned from an offtopic channel becuase i was speaking on topic05:04
GotD0tGmail: somehow i doubt that05:04
jdz`Gmail: Thats awsome :) Haha05:04
usualwhat doe sit matter05:04
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Gmailusual: you are now banned from #vhcs05:04
Gnobodyis anybody using XFCE 4.2 RC1???05:04
GmailGnobody: here we use CLI05:05
usual'it was all good just a week ago05:05
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usualGnobody, what exactly is your issue with it05:05
holycowi'm banned from the gnome network >_>05:05
Gnobodynothing yet I haven't tried the RC05:05
Gnobodybut the betas were messed05:05
usualGnobody, then try it and tell us05:05
holycowi mean gimp network05:05
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usuali gotta piss05:06
usualman I'm sauced05:06
jdz`usual: Have fun05:06
usualjdz`, heh05:06
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lemsx1well, in any case, you guys should try to be polite and find a better way to talk to e/a other about things that don't concern Ubuntu's new (newbie) users or ubuntu itself05:08
usualI am drunk, and ubuntu fully supports that05:08
GotD0tdoes anybody have any experience with changing the default alsa device?05:09
aitrusdrunkeness was in the first beta05:09
lemsx1hey, i got a few beers myself ;-) and I supported that05:09
usualdamn canadians05:09
usualmaking this beer05:09
usuali know i know off-topic05:09
usuallets be easy on that05:09
Gnobodyhey Canadians pwn05:09
GotD0tdoes anybody have any experience with changing the default alsa device?05:10
usualwhy would you05:10
scoonGotD0t: alsa's site didn't help you ?05:11
GotD0tbecause the current default device doesn't have speakers attached05:11
GotD0tnope scoon05:11
GotD0tscoon: tells me what i should do... but that doesnt work05:11
jdz`GotD0t: I believe it's detirminied by the order the modules are loaded.  To make one card the default, force it's modules to load first05:11
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Gnobodyok I am still having the same problem with XFCE 4.205:12
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scoonGotD0t: so you edited /etc/modules.d/alsa-base ?05:15
GotD0tscoon: thats not what it told me to edit05:15
lemsx1GotD0t, using usb audio devices? i had a problem before that i couldn't get alsa to use the built-in audio-card on a system (if the usb microphone, which was seen as a sound-card, was plugged in...) i never found the solution to this problem... i simply unplugged the darng thing and rebooted. go figure. perhaps the beers had something to do with it ;-)05:15
GotD0tlemsx1: no... pci audigy05:15
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Josh__i have some problems with the ubuntu installation...05:16
lemsx1GotD0t, use lsmod to see what modules are attached to your kernel... unload some (or all) the snd* ones. and make sure your /etc/modules.conf file is correct (as well as /etc/modules and whatever you are using from: discover, discover2, hotplug)05:16
lemsx1GotD0t, talk about confusing newbies :-)05:16
lemsx1Gmail, smtp protocol?05:17
Josh__the first dialog pops up and asks for my language, i push enter and it continues...05:17
Josh__then it asks for my county, then i press enter and it hangs...05:17
usualcanadian beer got me going05:17
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Josh__anyone knoiw what's going on?05:18
usualJosh__, not me05:18
lemsx1Josh__, what hardware are you using? custom built machine?05:19
scoonGotD0t: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Audigy2+ZS+Value.&chip=emu10k2%2C+P17&module=emu10k105:20
Gmaillemsx1: how did you know i set up an email > irc05:20
lemsx1Josh__, perhaps your system is hanging after loading bad modules... you should try turning off APM/ACPI and things like that in your BIOS before you start the installation05:20
Josh__let me try that right now...05:20
scoonGotD0t: there is even a special note in there for debian users.05:20
GotD0tscoon: the soundcard works fine... XMMS allows you to change the output device, its just ALSA doesnt use the audigy as the default driver05:20
lemsx1Gmail, i'm a sysadmin ;-) i can read between the lines and regex these things out05:20
lemsx1Gmail, lol. j/k05:21
GotD0terr... driver=device05:21
scoonGotD0t: i understand that.  so you want to set it up as the default sound card.  follow those dirs.05:21
lemsx1scoon, i use emu10k1. never had a problem. never went anywhere to read anything... always latest and greatest kernel from kernel.org compiled locally of course05:21
scoonlemsx1: so do i.  but the alsa site is by far the best resource for this.05:22
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jdz`GotD0t: You have mutiple soundcards?05:22
lemsx1scoon, i'm reading that link... i wonder why i couldn't change the default sound card so that libesd0-alsa could find the right thing05:23
GotD0tjdz`: yea... mobo has built-in sound05:23
seek187Does anyone know how to setup fetchmail with gmail??05:23
GotD0tseek187: account doesnt have POP3 yet?05:23
lemsx1GotD0t, but do you ever use the built-in one? if not, just disable it at the BIOS level :-) that's what I did :-)05:24
jdz`GotD0t: *nods*  I have the same steup.  Audegy external, nforce onboard.05:24
Josh__the only thing in my bios about acpi is something about power management...05:24
seek187GotD0t, it does I can get it to check mail but it won't download the headers or anything else05:24
Josh__should disable it?05:24
scoonlemsx1: well wonder no more.  about 1/2 way down the page there is the /etc/modules.conf # ALSA portion05:24
lemsx1seek187, for POP3 access?05:24
seek187lemsx1, yea05:24
usualsame way you setup a client05:24
lemsx1Josh__, turn all the powermngt. off05:24
GotD0tlemsx1: why would i use the default one? its only stereo, when my audigy is 5.1.... and my BIOS is crappy... wont let me disable onboard sound05:24
jdz`GotD0t: With ubuntu, things *just worked*.  Audugy became default.  With gentoo, I had to force it to load the emu101k module *first*, that way it became default05:24
Josh__alright.. let me try it05:25
scoonlemsx1: and the paragraph above that even instructs you to look at /proc/asound/cards for the sound card.05:25
lemsx1scoon, nice... still trying to read it :-) multi-tasking here05:26
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Josh__still hangs05:28
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Josh__i can type at the bottom of the screen...05:28
Josh__but it just hangs05:28
lemsx1Josh__, something is loading ... a bad driver... unplug your USB stuff (especially cameras with buggy drivers... like cpia-usb stuff  ;-))05:29
Josh__ok, let me try that....05:29
ChibiJosh- I recommend not using hoary's hotplug. :/05:29
ChibiIt died out with just my ps2 mouse plugged in.05:29
Josh__it worked!05:30
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Josh__thanks lemsx105:31
Josh__another question...,05:31
Josh__i've gotten it installed before and my network didn't work05:31
Josh__my cards are detected, I can even cofigure them, but the network will not work05:31
Josh__i think it's the kernel05:31
Josh__i had the same problem when i updated to 2.6 with debian sid05:32
Josh__anyone know a way around this?05:32
ChibiJosh__- You need to reset your cable modem.05:32
lemsx1Josh__, if you can use /sbin/ifconfig to "see" the card (even if no IP is there) then the problem is usually elsewhere05:32
GotD0tAHH!! so irritating05:32
GotD0twhy wont this work05:32
Josh__let me try that....05:32
scoonGotD0t:  alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k105:32
ChibiIt's hanging on an old dhcp session, more than likely.05:32
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lemsx1Josh__, i.e. dhcp server, router, switch, cable, bad connection, who knows05:32
benhis there an .au mirror fast enough in canberra ?05:33
GotD0tscoon i did05:33
scoonGotD0t: make that the first line in /etc/modutils/alsa-base05:33
ChibiI run into that alot when I'm switching boxes.05:33
scoonand then run modules-update05:33
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lemsx1update-modules you mean05:33
Chibidhcp session for one machine will hang, and not let a new session for the other.05:33
scoonGotD0t: sorry, run update-modules05:33
scoonGotD0t: and then run /etc/init.d/alsa restart05:34
GotD0tscoon: i ahve been05:34
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GotD0tlike 20 times over05:34
GotD0tscoon: i dont think it likes the settings05:34
scoonGotD0t: you even restarted alsa ?05:34
lemsx1GotD0t, what do you have for /etc/modutils/alsa ?05:34
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GotD0tcuz whenever i restart it it doesnt seem to take the settings05:35
lemsx1GotD0t,  you might need to unload the drivers force-fully :-)05:35
lemsx1GotD0t, dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base05:35
GotD0tlemsx1: well thats fine... as long as it works05:35
scoonGotD0t: maybe you are not loading the drivers: does lsmod show emu10k1 and friends ?05:35
lemsx1GotD0t, say yes when asked about force drivers to unload, or edit /etc/default/alsa05:35
Josh__well, after it gets installed, I'll move from there....05:35
GotD0temu10k1 is in there05:36
Josh__from what I've used of ubuntu, i love it05:36
Josh__how is the package selection?  same as debian?05:36
lemsx1GotD0t, you can't have emu10k1 and snd-card-emu10k1 at the same time... either OSS or ALSA, not both05:36
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GotD0tsnd_emu10k1 is in there05:36
lemsx1GotD0t, snd_emu10k1 i mean...05:36
lemsx1GotD0t, what about emu10k1 ?05:37
lemsx1Josh__, ubuntu is debian05:37
GotD0temu10k1_gp is05:37
lemsx1Josh__, just desktop-oriented... with some massage in GUI stuff and minor things relating to desktops05:37
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benhlooks good !05:38
benha hell lot more "polished" than debian05:38
Josh__i know, but i was looking at the sources list and it looks like it uses different servers05:38
Josh__it does look really nice05:38
Josh__especially open office05:38
GotD0thow do i tell ubuntu not to load snd_intel8x005:38
lemsx1Josh__, it does use different reps... but, that's the trade for using cutting-edge stuff not allowed in the pristine debian distro (vanilla)05:39
Josh__and from what I hear, the support is great ;)05:39
scoonGotD0t: do you see it listed in modules.conf05:39
lemsx1GotD0t, edit /etc/modutils/aliases (or make /etc/modutils/local) and put: alias snd_intel8x0 off05:39
lemsx1GotD0t, you might need to change local for 000local so that it gets parsed first by update-modules ;-)05:41
JDahlGotD0t, if you *dont* want it loaded, I think you have have to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist05:41
lemsx1GotD0t, and of course, you will need to reboot your system... or go the long way: unload all modules, kill all procs holding the modules in the kernel, etc... etc...05:41
scoonGotD0t: just stop the alsa service and then unload any of the modules.  restart the service and the modules will get loaded.05:42
lemsx1talking about /etc/hotplug/blacklist, does ubuntu install discover? discover also has a blacklist file05:42
FTTPcrap....... i tried to upgrade with the new synaptic and new hoary files and got an error05:42
GotD0tscoon: how do you unload modules?05:43
JDahlGotD0t, sudo rmmod <module>05:43
scoonGotD0t: rmmod the-module-name05:43
GotD0tits in use05:44
GotD0thow do i tell whats using it05:44
Josh__my network "just works" now....05:44
Josh__thanks a lot lemsx105:44
lemsx1scoon, :-( Known Bugs: MIDI on SB live drive not working properly.05:44
lemsx1Josh__, np05:45
scoonlemsx1: doh05:45
Josh__is ubuntu affiliated with any other non-computer related organizations?05:45
lemsx1scoon, like i didn't know that already05:45
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Josh__does ubuntu come with reiser4 support?05:48
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GotD0ti love how ubuntu didnt listen to my blacklist file05:53
srianybody got a deb of a emacs with a good gtk2 interface?05:54
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mchangre all05:55
scoonGotD0t:  alias snd_intel8x0 off ?05:55
mchanganyone using a dell d600 here (or broadcom 802.11g)?05:55
GotD0tscoon: tried that before05:55
GotD0tscoon: didnt do anything05:55
GotD0tscoon: unless i had to reboot05:55
GotD0tscoon: but i snd_intel8x0 to the blacklist05:56
GotD0terr i added*05:56
GotD0tscoon: and i just lsmod'd and it was loaded05:56
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scoonGotD0t: so just for fun, why not go against the docs and not mess with blacklist and just put a # everywhere in /etc/modules.conf that you see that module ?05:58
GotD0tcan i remove snd_intel8x0 entirely... instead of telling ubuntu not to load it05:58
lemsx1GotD0t, drastic solutions uh05:58
scoonGotD0t: build your own kernel.05:58
lemsx1bah, remove the module from the kernel lib dir and: depmod -a `uname -r`05:58
GotD0tscoon: thats the thing... its not in modules.conf05:58
scoonhow about in ls05:59
scoonGotD0t: sorry, how about in /etc/modules05:59
GotD0tscoon: nope05:59
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scoonGotD0t: /etc/default/alsa ?06:00
GotD0tscoon: nope06:01
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scoonGotD0t: try what lemsxl said.06:02
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scoonGotD0t: i understand that you are frustrated but i think that what the alsa page says to add will work.  just do update-modules and then restart alsa.06:03
scoonscoon: sorry.  don't know what else to tell you.  it really isn't this hard.06:03
GotD0twell im doing a search for any file that contains the words snd_intel8x006:04
GotD0tand the only thing that shows are my blacklist and modules.conf.old06:04
GotD0tso far06:04
scoonscoon: and yes i have onboard sound that i have had enabled in the bios and still have my audigy card load up as the primary card.06:04
GotD0tscoon: then what did you do?06:05
scoonGotD0t: like i have been saying: i followed the alsa pages.  the only thing is that i was running gentoo at the time.06:06
scoonGotD0t: gentoo configs a smidge different but not much.  like i said, all you need are what alsa tells you.06:06
lemsx1offtopic: angelina jolie in Jay Leno's show... i know i know... people like beers. hate tvs. and no offtopic here06:06
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Rene_SIs he nekkid ?06:07
scoonlemsx1: she makes me want to use soap.06:07
Rene_Sshe rather06:07
scoonlemsx1: why "IT" burns to just look at her.06:07
lemsx1scoon, lol06:07
scoonno thanks.06:07
lemsx1scoon, she's nuts06:07
Chibishe's a whore. :/06:08
lemsx1Chibi, that too... love her06:08
ChibiHehe. Well, I'm engaged. I'm banned from lust. :P06:08
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lemsx1Chibi, lol... that must hurt... do you believe in re-incarnation at least?06:09
scoonChibi: best thing i have heard all nite besides the sugar skulls06:09
lemsx1kalle_, </offtopic>06:09
lemsx1oops, bad habit: meant Ok06:09
Rene_SHmm, trying to find an Icon set that matches the Solaris colour scheme is proving to be difficult06:10
HrdwrBoBI have a better idea06:10
HrdwrBoBdon't use solaris ever06:11
ChibiRe-incarnation, no. I do belive the spirit lives on without the body, though. Mainly because whenever I go upstairs, my grandpa's spirit likes to hang out and freak me out when I need to pee. :/06:11
HrdwrBoBI mean.. hi!06:11
joejiang_hello, anyone know ubuntu pool mirror? isp.au has some problem?06:11
nomasteryoda</offtopic> man she is hot06:11
Rene_SI like the colours, there easier on my eyes than most other schemes06:11
lemsx1Chibi, ROFL06:11
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JDahlHrdwrBoB, I hear you! and that goes for HPUX as well06:12
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lemsx1nomasteryoda, yep. it must be that black dress...06:12
Jerubwow. I thought ubuntu was a teensy little distribution that no one used.06:12
ChibiI'm serious, we keep his ashes, and I can feel him around whenever I go near that damn jar. :/06:12
Rene_SShh, Dont tell anyone you will ruin it for everyone :)06:13
lemsx1Chibi, that's called "psychology" nowadays ;-)06:13
ChibiJerub- Did you notice that this teeny little distrobution has climbed up to rank 13 on distrowatch since it's release? :P06:13
JerubChibi: no!06:13
JerubRene_S: okay!06:13
GotD0tok... any last suggestions before i completely give up and rip the friken mobo out and give it to my 4 year old sis to play with06:14
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nomasteryodalemsx1, yea06:14
ChibiI'm pretty sure it's going to stay there, too. Or get higher. Ubuntu replaced my slackware box.06:14
nomasteryodawish my tv card worked better =)06:14
nomasteryodatoo fuzzy06:14
Chibi-_-;. And I'm a dedicated slackie.06:14
scoonGotD0t: burn it ?06:15
GotD0tscoon: not suggestions on how to fuck over my mobo06:15
scoonGotD0t: sorry man.  nope.  i just figured why give it to a 4 year old when YOU can play with FIRE06:15
lemsx1nomasteryoda, ROFL... oh wow... just like me here06:16
lemsx1nomasteryoda, darng tv... i need hdtv now06:16
nomasteryodalemsx1, you need to purchase before the year is out06:16
nomasteryodathe DRM required versions are the only ones for sale in US after 1st of Jan06:16
lemsx1nomasteryoda, i know... i keep saving 20 from e/a paycheck... hopefully one day i'll have 3,000 before they are more expensive than that06:17
nomasteryodaHDTV tuner card06:17
HrdwrBoBget a hdtv card06:17
lemsx1nomasteryoda, :-) nah, i want plasma with the whole shebang06:17
nomasteryodalife size06:18
lemsx1nomasteryoda, then buy the real angelina's DVD movies and watch it in full res06:18
lemsx1nomasteryoda, ok, we are going to get banned from #ubuntu :-)...06:18
nomasteryodabut i want Ubuntu on my HDTV06:18
Rene_SHDTV, hmm I am not sure I need to see the commercials that clearly.06:18
lemsx1Rene_S, lol... good one. i try to watch DVD's only... and public broadcasting channels... :-) no commercials there06:19
nomasteryodaon topic>, is there an easy way to repair a grub menu.lst?06:19
nomasteryodain ubuntu06:19
Rene_SLike really do we need to see Alway's adds in all its digital splendor ?  or how about the prep H ones ?06:19
lemsx1nomasteryoda, update-grub?06:20
nomasteryodai'll try06:20
lemsx1Rene_S, the cool thing is that the more you read about psychology, the more you "see" in between the "lines" when watching a commercial... scary06:20
Rene_SI watched the Matrix on a HDTV and I never want to see Keannu Reeve's pores that closely again06:21
lemsx1Rene_S, there is a nice program about this in thirteen.org (channel 13)06:21
lemsx1Rene_S, but... offtopic :-)06:21
Rene_SHang on Ill get it around to Ubuntu in a second06:21
Rene_SSomehow ......06:22
lemsx1Rene_S, oh man, i have not have that chance yet...06:22
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lemsx1Rene_S, well, will ubuntu support HDTV tuner cards? there you go, back on topic06:22
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lemsx1Rene_S, an "Ubuntu Media Center" version won't be a bad idea... something that just works and does all that tivo does for free06:23
Rene_SOk, I can embed Ubuntu into my Microwave then use that to retune my Satellite dish that is hooked to my HDTV ?06:23
lemsx1Rene_S, ROFL06:23
Rene_SIt "could" happen06:24
nomasteryodaRene_S: sure06:24
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nomasteryodadidn't sony use Linux in it's latest tv06:24
GotD0twell what do you know... im officially retarded06:24
Rene_SNot sure, I don't use there products06:25
lemsx1GotD0t, got new mobo?06:25
GotD0tmy BIOS does have the option to turn off onboard sound06:25
lemsx1GotD0t, much better06:25
GotD0ti didnt didnt see it before06:25
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Rene_SHmm you could always just yank the chip outta it06:26
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lemsx1nomasteryoda, is that sony product out for mere mortals to buy?06:26
nomasteryodaer, maybe shuttlesworth can buy one06:26
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scoonGotD0t: rage will do that sometimes.06:27
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seek187Anyone just upgrade 'sed'? like minutes ago?06:27
seek187the install just broke on me06:28
crimsunor -2?06:28
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crimsunif it's -2, the grave bugs have been closed.06:28
seek187I dont know?06:28
Rene_SI have always found a well placed screwdriver used in conjuction with a live MOBO an excellent stress relief06:28
crimsunseek187: dpkg -l sed06:28
GotD0tRene_S ill take that into consideration06:29
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Rene_SI can't guarantee that course of action mind you so ..... (Disclaimer)06:29
nomasteryodalemsx1 nite06:30
JennoIs Ubuntu gonna be a good distro for a noob to try?06:30
lemsx1nomasteryoda, nite06:30
HrdwrBoBJenno: yes06:30
Jennoi tried mandrake... but it was just way too bloated and slow06:30
seek187crimsun, http://pastebin.com/120558 <--- thats what it says06:31
nomasteryodasurprising how much like windows it looks.. except without the BSOD06:31
Rene_SSure, I use it and I don't know were the power button on my computer is.06:31
nomasteryodaand nicer colors06:31
nomasteryodaJenno: Ubuntu is fast06:31
crimsunseek187: read what I said above reading grave bugs and -206:31
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Jennoah good... mandrake was nasty06:32
Rene_SI found Mandrake ok, just the urpmi took me a while to wrap my head around06:32
seek187they have been closed?06:34
crimsunseek187: correct.06:34
seek187is this going to screw up ubuntu?06:34
crimsunjust wait a day.06:35
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Rene_SEww another Canadian06:36
Rene_Sto Karamba or not Karamba that is the question06:38
GotD0tspeaking of canadians... SG-Atlantis got signed on for another season06:38
Rene_SI wanna see what happens06:38
GotD0tanother few months of "Zed"-PMs06:39
Rene_SRegenesis is creepy06:39
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nomasteryodaGotD0t: excellent06:39
GotD0thaha... ok im going to bed06:39
nomasteryodai have been watching by bt mode06:39
GotD0tand apparently amanda tapping will be giving birth once SGA and SG1 start shooting again06:40
stuNNedcrimsun, so just wait a day for sed error to be fixed and don't `apt-get upgrade` at this time?06:40
GotD0tAHHH!!! now that i got the sound working i get all these queer sounds06:40
GotD0tok im out for real06:41
scoonGotD0t: cya06:41
Rene_Ssomething tells me I dont really need an app that tells me the weather for the next week anyhow06:43
stuNNedseek187, so just wait a day to upgrade?06:44
seek187I guess so?06:44
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stuNNedseek187, lol, that's what we get for running unstable!  but nothing installed here due to sed error06:45
crimsunstuNNed: it is already fixed. The matter of the fixed package migrating to pool is of time.06:45
stuNNedcrimsun, got it, thanks06:45
seek187oh I see.. yeah I don't think anything got installed either on mine06:45
crimsunwe'll live. :)  There are about 60 packages queued for updating on my box. I'm sure I'll survive.06:46
stuNNedcrimsun, LOL, CRASH! :D06:46
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FTTPwith the truetype fonts when u update after 1st install it says that it couldnt configure them or something right?06:49
FTTPi want to report it as a bug but i dont remember the exact error :(06:49
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PorscheBoywhere do i go to download Debian Sarge?07:07
Chibi-_- debian.org07:07
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PorscheBoyi know but can't find Sarge iso07:09
ChibiLook harder.07:09
ChibiDebian's site is as unfriendly as it's install. If you can't find the download links, you can't install it, either. :P07:10
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ChibiHere we go. D: I'm upgrading this ghetto P133 to Hoary.07:12
Rene_SHe, I found Debian easier to install than Gentoo or Arch linux07:13
ChibiFor some reason. o_O;... I mean, it's just a console machine. But it definately needs hoary, yep. for sure. o_o;;07:13
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discordi'm having trouble with evolution07:23
ChibiUse thunderbird instead. :P07:24
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discordi choose the disable support for pop3 and it worked for awhile07:24
stuNNedi need to compile piix into the kernel and not as a module, what are my options?07:25
discordnoe i get Error while Fetching Mail.Cannot get POP summary: Operation now in progress.07:25
discordanyone use evolution and know how to fix this?07:25
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tom_can anyone tell me where to find boot.log in ubuntu pls07:26
=== stuNNed found evolution unstable and bad with importing data, unlike thunderbird
discordwhat is boot.log anyways07:27
discordwhy does ubuntu make it their default07:27
=== Klowner wishes thunderbird had a little calendar/datebook
seek187speaking of thunderbird is there anyway to get thunderbird to check local mbox mail?07:27
discordthey are making one07:27
tom_in mndrake (the distor i have used to dat) it sows exactly what init displays on the screen when booting07:28
discordi used to use mozilla mail07:28
Klownerdiscord: that'd be great, because my grandparents have a fairly old computer, and evolution sucks up a bit too much power, and they recently requested a calendar application07:28
Klownertom_: locate boot.log  ?07:29
Klownerdiscord: I hope they call it fogturtle07:29
tom_klowner no response from that command at all07:29
KlownerFirefox, Thundebird, and Fogturtle07:29
discordcause their is no boot.log07:29
Klownertom_: sudo updatedb, and then try locate again, perhaps?07:30
discordtom_ are you looking for dmesg or something like that07:30
AgrajagKlowner: it's sunbird, last I heard07:31
discordwhat the hell is boot.log07:31
tom_discord dmesg does not show exactly what was displayed wheres boot.log (in mandrake anyway) does07:31
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KlownerAgrajag: darn07:31
discordi dont know anything about mandrake07:31
Klownerdiscord: dmesg shows kernel init stuff, I Think he wants init.d stuff07:31
discordwould it be in /var/log?07:32
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discordtom_ maybe you want kern.log07:33
discordor maybe you want to eat a log07:33
discordits big its heavy its wood07:33
Klownerbeef log beef log what a treat07:33
discordwhy do you use ubuntu?07:34
tom_discord i a simpy after some information from th einit boot processthat i cant seem to find in ubuntu but could elsewhere is all07:34
discordim asking everyone07:34
discordwhy do you use ubuntu?07:34
tom_i use it because i like its up to datenss and simplicity07:34
discordtom_ that kern.log i mentioned looks like what you are talking about07:35
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Klownermuch friendlier user base than debian07:35
discordmaybe you should check it07:35
ChibiBecause it takes the shortest amount of time out of all of my distros to set up and do what I need it to, it's fresh, and as stable and fast as Slackware.07:35
discordi never messed with the debian user base but have messed with it for awhile07:35
tom_yes user base is certainly friendly07:35
discorddebian that is07:35
Klownervisit #debian and ask a simple question, it'll end up with "RTFM STUPID.."07:36
discordill have to try that sometime07:36
ChibiHrrrmmm... This is odd.07:36
mercurusask a complex question, and often as not you'll get to told to read the wrong manual ...07:36
GmailMicrosoft Windows: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.07:36
ChibiI'm getting errors setting up cron and sed. :/07:36
stuNNedhow can i tell which init scripts have started?07:36
ChibiI'm afraid to reboot like this. :/07:37
discordgoto /etc/init.d07:37
discordand look at the owner07:37
discordstunned i mean07:37
discordmaybe not the owner maybe the permissions07:38
Chibi-_-;;;;... broken sed is NOT good. ;.;07:38
tom_klowner kern.log is near what i was after but not exactly ;-) ty07:38
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seek187Chibi, same happend to me07:38
Klownertom_: thank discord :)07:38
seek187crimsun said it would be fixed tomarrow ...07:39
tom_discord ty 2 :)07:39
acecase-winis there a way to see exactly what program/dameon is listening on a certain port? netstat doesn't even show the port open07:39
acecase-windaemon :)07:39
ChibiBleh. I don't know if the battery will last that long. :/07:39
scoongood nite all.  thanks for another good nite.07:39
Klowneracecase-win: you want to see what kind of daemon is running? or find the actual process of the running daemon?07:39
acecase-winKlowner i want to see exactly what is listening on a certain port07:40
Tomcat_acecase-win: /etc/services has some, but I don't know if it's 100% correct07:40
Klowneracecase-win: hm, netstat should do it.. with the -p option07:40
acecase-winnetstat doesn't even show it open. i found it with nmap remotely07:41
acecase-winTomcat_ lemmy look at that thanks07:41
Tomcat_acecase-win: I just had a look... it's only a list of services, not specific for a machine... but you might find something.07:42
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acecase-winthat port isn't listed but thanks07:42
tom_is there a gui disk format process in ubuntu?07:42
acecase-wintell me, is there a bo2k port for linux?07:42
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Agrajagwell, if you consider ncurses to be a gui, yes07:43
Chibincurses is pwn. D:07:43
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Gnobodyanybody here?07:43
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seek187lots of people here :P07:43
LinuxDudewhen u install ubuntu, if you dont download software from the internet, you cant get those packages with synaptic?07:43
LinuxDudei mean for the updates07:43
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seek187LinuxDude, sure you can07:44
LinuxDudei tried the installer with and without the updates07:44
Gnobodyhow can I compile pearpc?07:44
LinuxDudethis time i didnt choose update via internet07:44
Gnobodyit doesn't have a configure script07:44
LinuxDudeand in synaptic no file updates are there07:44
LinuxDudeseek187:  So what am i doing wrong then?07:44
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LinuxDudeseek187:  I selected no to internet updates, so it didnt download the additional packages/updates07:45
Tomcat_If anybody is bored, do you know if http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product_info.php/notebooks/hewlett_packard/nx90xx_serien/hp_nx9030_pm_15ghz_pg630et will make any problems running Ubuntu?07:45
LinuxDudenow in synaptic, it says there are no updates , but i never downloaded em yet07:45
acecase-winwhat are the chances of getting someone to PM me or something and tell me if you have port 54320 open? netstat won't show it you'll have to nmap you'reself or something07:45
seek187Gnobody,  enable universe in sources.list and just download pearpc07:45
GnobodyI want the .4 prerelease07:45
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discordKlowner, what you doing on with your linux boxen?07:45
LinuxDudeseek me or gnobody?07:45
seek187LinuxDude, it should just download updates from warty-security?07:46
Gnobodynot .307:46
Klownerdiscord: programming, little bit of web design, and graphics07:46
LinuxDudeseek187:  Do you know which files it downloads when you select internet install via ncursor?07:46
discordKlowner, what kind of programming?07:46
seek187Gnobody, Do you have Build-essential package installed?07:46
Klownerdiscord: c++, graphics/games related stuff07:46
stuNNedman, i just want to add hpdarm to runlevel 2, why does this have to be so complicated in Ubuntu?07:47
LinuxDudeseek187:  cause if i select yes there, it downloads the updates, if i select no, there are no updates i can download in synaptic07:47
seek187LinuxDude, have you reloaded the list in synaptic?07:47
Klownerdiscord: if you're really curious, http://klowner.com07:47
LinuxDudeseek187:  Yes i did07:47
jdubstuNNed: why do you want to do that?07:47
Gnobodyhow do I use pearpc once I have got it off universe?07:48
LinuxDudeseek187:  Im not sure if it loads up additional files or something cause its lots of em07:48
LinuxDudeprolly a bug07:48
LinuxDudeill report it07:48
seek187hmm I'm not sure then I thought it just downloaded it there07:48
stuNNedjdub, hdparm is in /etc/init.d but need it to be added to runlevel 2 (ubuntu default) as i'm having problem with my linuxant modem and think it may be related07:48
seek187so you reloaded and checked mark upgrades and nothing upgraded?07:49
seek187and click apply07:49
jdubstuNNed: it's in rcS.d07:49
discordKlowner, you made those wallpapers?07:49
Klownerdiscord: yessir07:49
discordnice work07:49
discordi gotta hit the hay07:49
stuNNedjdub, and being in rcS.d it get's started at boot?07:49
discordchem quiz tommorow07:50
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Tsjoklatwaw did an upgrade and sed breaks apt07:50
seek187Tsjoklat, happend to me to07:50
Tsjoklatseek187 I had to install sed from my Debian sid box.. how did you fix it?07:51
seek187didn't yet07:51
jdubstuNNed: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt...07:51
jduber, seek18707:51
Tsjoklatjdub I had no older version of sed07:51
Tsjoklatso I had to install it from my sid box07:51
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stuNNedjdub, yes, looks that way, i'm having to load piix into the kernel and not as a module, is my only option to recompile kernel? (silly question, isn't it? ;)07:52
jdubTsjoklat: cd?07:52
Tsjoklatah I have that uncomment jdub.. didn't think of that07:52
Gnobodywhere is the location of the PearPC config file???????07:52
jdubstuNNed: that doesn't sound like a solution to a modem problem...07:52
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TsjoklatI am also not very happy with the UTF-8 recommendation07:52
seek187jdub, what does that do?07:52
seek187oh wait I see07:52
kingsleyIt seems to me that the chart at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/percent_increase_in_bandwidth.png is a rather cool depiction of which data compression algorithms work best with which hardware to maximize network speed.07:52
TsjoklatI did that and now evolution and gdesklets won't start07:52
kingsleyYou can look up your CPU and network speeds, and the chart suggests a data compression utility to maximize throughput over the net. Comments welcome.07:52
seek187I think..07:52
jdubseek187: if you have an apt or sed pacakge there...07:52
stuNNedjdub, it was recommended by linuxant tech support, sad to say07:52
TsjoklatI am going back to ISO-8859-107:53
seek187I don't even have that folder :/07:53
jdubTsjoklat: haven't seen that, i'm running warty with UTF-8 only07:53
seek187/var/cache/apt/archives/ just to there07:53
Tsjoklatthe instructions Jeff gave on the forum are not complete07:53
seek187no apt at the end07:53
jdubTsjoklat: sure they are07:54
Gnobodywhere is the location of the PearPC config file???????07:54
seek187I cleaned my cache07:54
Tsjoklatjdub I followed the instructions but when I did: sudo nano /etc/environment07:54
Tsjoklatit said: ISO-8859-107:54
Tsjoklatand when I did: sudo nano /etc/locale.gen same deal07:55
TsjoklatI had to manually change those07:55
Tsjoklatand do: sudo locale-gen07:55
Tsjoklatand like I said, evolution and gdesklets are not starting up anymore07:55
Tsjoklatnot sure what to do...07:55
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jdubsudo dpkg-reconfigure locales updates LANG07:56
Tsjoklatwhat will that do jdub?07:56
jdubdidn't seem to affect LANGUAGE when i did it just then07:56
jdubTsjoklat: what?07:56
Tsjoklatjdub I already did that07:57
TsjoklatI checked all the languages I need07:57
Tsjoklatchoose en_US.UTF-8 as default07:57
TsjoklatI saw on the bugzilla that the problem is probably the @Euro UTF-807:58
Tsjoklatwhich I need07:58
jdubyou should not have to manually run locale-gen -> dpkg-reconfigure locales does that for you07:58
jdubyou should not have to edit /etc/environment07:58
jdubin fact, i'd recommend staying clear of both07:59
seek187could I install this sed_4.1.2-2_i386.deb from sid? would that work?07:59
Tsjoklatjdub: I didn't want to but I like I said.. I had to find the culprit and therefor I checked and both files were wrong07:59
Tsjoklatjdub: I wouldn't tell others to do it :)07:59
Tsjoklatwell I did your suggestion and the default language was again not set to en_US.UTF808:00
Tsjoklatit said: en_US08:00
TsjoklatGeneration complete.08:01
GammaRaydamn.. update-rc.d is terrible.. is there an easier way?08:01
TsjoklatPackage `updates' is not installed and no info is available.08:01
TsjoklatUse dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,08:01
Tsjoklatand dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.08:01
Tsjoklat/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: updates is not installed08:01
Tsjoklatthat's the error I get jdub08:01
jdubpaste your command line?08:01
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jdubpaste your command line08:02
Tsjoklatjdub: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales updates LANG --> gives me that error08:02
LucidVisionsanyone use cedga with ubuntu here?08:02
jdubTsjoklat: erm08:02
jdub"sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"08:02
jdub^ why aren't you running that?08:02
Gnobodywhere is the location of the PearPC config file???????08:02
jdubGnobody: repetition and more question marks won't get you an answer faster08:03
Tsjoklatjdub: I mearly copied and pasted your suggestion08:03
jdubTsjoklat: that was a sentence08:03
Tsjoklatjdub: and I did that before... according to Jeff's advice08:04
Tsjoklatjdub: sorry no errors this time08:04
jdubso it should pop up the selector08:04
jduband then the default selector08:04
Tsjoklatyes, I checked all the languages I need and choose en_US.UTF8 as default08:05
Gnobodyjdub do you know the answer?08:05
jdubGnobody: no08:05
TsjoklatI should relog in08:05
jdubGnobody: i'd imagine in /etc08:05
jdubGnobody: but i'm sure the package provides some documentation08:05
jdubTsjoklat: after you do, type 'locales'08:05
jduber, 'locale'08:05
Gnobodyno it isnt in etc08:05
Tsjoklatalright brb08:06
jdubyou can do it without getting out of your gnome session08:06
TsjoklatI can?08:06
Tsjoklatlead the way08:06
jdubjust su - <username>08:06
Tsjoklatand then?08:06
jdubthat's a login shell08:06
jdubtype locale08:06
LucidVisionsdam,,,oh well08:07
jdubsame here08:07
Tsjoklatjdub: that okay?08:07
Tsjoklatthought so at your oh08:07
jdubtry just su <username>08:08
Gnobodyit isnt in the man jdub08:08
Tsjoklatjdub same deal08:08
acecase-winif it wouldn't be simpler and more effective for ubuntu devs to gain access in other ways i would swear they are useing Bo2k as a backdoor in ubuntu08:08
jdubTsjoklat: what's in /etc/environment now?08:09
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jdubthat's it?08:09
jduband /etc/locale.gen?08:09
Tsjoklatin: sudo nano /etc/locale.gen I have heaps08:09
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Tsjoklaten_US UTF-808:10
Tsjoklatde_DE.UTF-8 UTF-808:10
Tsjoklatde_DE.UTF-8@euro UTF-808:10
Tsjoklaten_GB.UTF-8 UTF-808:10
Tsjoklaten_US.UTF-8 UTF-08:10
WXhow do i slow down my usb mouse? it glides across the screen at lightning speed08:10
TsjoklatWX stop feeding it cookies :P08:10
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Tomcat_WX: Gnome settings at low speed?08:10
Tsjoklatsorry WX have no idea08:10
Tsjoklatjdub: the first one is too bare? it should have more?08:11
acecase-winyou have kids too Tsjoklat? :)08:11
Tsjoklatacecase-win how did you guess? :)08:11
acecase-wincookies are like rocket fuel08:11
Tsjoklatit sure is08:11
acecase-winmy wife likes to give mine cookies and mountain dew and leave me alone with em08:11
Tomcat_acecase-win: She08:12
Tomcat_acecase-win: She's ev0l :o08:12
Tsjoklatacecase-win it is called: getting back at you :}08:12
acecase-winlol the devil!08:12
Tsjoklatjdub: got any more input on the matter?08:12
WXTomcat_, hmm where do i find out?08:12
WXi foudn it08:13
WXdidn't even look08:13
Tomcat_WX: I don't have Ubuntu at the moment, but in the second menu there's something called "Mouse and keyboard"...08:13
Tomcat_Ah. :)08:13
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TsjoklatI guess acecase-win's wife caught up08:14
gnatanyone here have a DWL-G630 wireless card working?08:14
gnatwith ubuntu ?08:15
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Tsjoklatwell I guess I have to install thunderbird to be able to get email08:15
Tsjoklathi psyklops08:16
Tsjoklatgnat: not I08:16
gnatTsjoklat, I have the firmware it loads but the driver reports a failure08:16
gnatjust trying to find a solution and I get no response from the developers08:16
Tsjoklatgnat: what error did you get? did you check the bugzilla site to see if someone has simulair issues?08:17
psyklopsI've been wanting to (and may actually NEED to) compile my own kernel, but there is alot of options to check and I'm trying for minimalism. I already made my own .config but the kernel compiled from it seems to have quite a few problems. Is there any way I can get the base .config used by Ubuntu/Debian?08:17
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Tsjoklatpsyklops... you could use the make menuconfig as a guidance?08:18
psyklopsthats what I did08:18
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gnatTsjoklat: Error message was "Danger Will Robinson MAC didn't come back"08:18
psyklopsI disabled everything I knew I wouldn't need and moduled all I thought I might08:18
gnatubuntu bugzilla? or where abouts?08:18
psyklopsI am going to start over, but I'd like a basic setup08:19
Tsjoklatgnat: are you for real?08:19
gnatTsjoklat, totally!08:19
gnatodd error message eh?08:19
Tsjoklatgnat that is barking mad08:19
gnatthat is the final error message08:19
Tsjoklatpsyklops trail and error I would say08:19
psyklopsyeah... expensive trial and error...08:20
gnatits first error is: acx100_issue_cmd failed: Invalid parameter [1350 uSec]  Cmd: Ah, Result: Eh08:20
gnatcb =0x1AE08:20
psyklopsan hours worth08:20
Tsjoklatgnat I have no idea.. and don't know what to say to that either lol08:20
psyklopsat least08:20
gnatbut google gives me no lovin08:20
gnatyeah I know08:20
psyklopsand I get bored halfway08:20
gnatI have two wireless cards08:20
gnatneither quite works08:20
Tsjoklatgnat did you check the bugzilla for Robinson MAC?08:20
gnatboth have errors when loading their firmware.08:20
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Tsjoklatpsyklops: bored?08:20
psyklopsthere is no .config anywhere?08:20
Tsjoklattrey trey08:20
psyklopsyeah... about the 100th driver option I get bored...08:21
Tsjoklatgnat yes08:21
psyklopsso I save and come back later08:21
Tsjoklatpsyklops: if you get 'bored' halfway by building your own kernel perhaps you should reconsider and stick with the default ubu one08:21
Agrajagpsyklops: look in /boot08:21
Tsjoklatgnat I copied the addy above08:22
Agrajagsee the file(s) named config-*?08:22
Agrajagthose are the kernel config files08:22
Agrajagdo you have /boot unmounted?08:22
psyklopshah... it has MY config...08:22
Agrajagwhat kernel config do you want? I have 386, 686, and k7 here08:23
netmonkdoes anyone know what commands can I use to stop or start pcmcia service?08:23
psyklopsah had to look a little bit closer08:23
psyklopsthat'll do08:23
psyklopsI'm pretty sure I can just copy that to my src/linux dir right?08:24
psyklopsand use it for 2.6.908:24
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Tsjoklatpsyklops: diff -u nameoldconfig namenewconfig08:25
Tsjoklatpsyklops: the changes are marked by plusses and minuses08:26
Tsjoklathopefully that will prevent the boredom08:26
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psyklopsheh... the boredome was checking each option, making sure I understood it, reading the help and any pages I could google on it, and THEN deciding whether or not to include it08:26
psyklopsbut even after that it has problems08:27
psyklopsstill boots though...08:27
psyklopshm... maybe just looking at the warnings at boot would help08:27
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smoI think I may have just scored points for the most random install error .. I managed to mispell my username, then panicked when I couldn't log in08:31
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Gnobodyhow do I extract a bz2 from a console?????08:42
TsjoklatGnobody bunzip2 filename08:42
Agrajagif it's .tar.bz2, use tar xvjf <filename>08:44
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kaputanybody willing to help out with an acpi/button question?08:52
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Gmailkaput: just ask09:01
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kaputi followed the Suspend Howto wiki and am able to run the suspend script successfully. but acpi is not catching power button or lid events09:03
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Treenakskaput: did you disable ACPI?09:03
kaputTreenaks, Gmail: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto09:04
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Junkiewarty 4.10 is the lastest ubuntu ?09:05
psyklopshm... I can't get plun and play support in my kernel, but everything else is pretty much identical to ubuntu's kernel09:06
TreenaksJunkie: yes09:06
Junkiethanks im going to try out ubuntu09:07
Junkielooking for a good distro09:07
Junkiehad problems with my last one09:07
Junkiereinstalling everyday got annoying :)09:07
Gmailhmmm i can't fix the topic09:07
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Gmailtoo long09:08
kaputGmail Treenaks: /proc/acpi/button is present and obviously the button module is loaded, but there seems to be no response09:08
psyklopsnevermind I got it (why do you NEED ISA enabled to use plug and play?)09:08
Treenakskaput: interrupt conflicts?09:08
kaputTreenaks: dmesg doesn't reveal any09:08
Treenaksit doesn't have to09:09
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Gmailerr too long still09:09
fabbionetake a decision :-)09:09
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psyklopsuse less spaces?09:09
udHi, when I apt-get install bbkeys I get alot of other packages such as blackbox that I dont need, is there a way for me to only get bbkeys by itself using apt-get?09:09
GmailYAY it fits09:10
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udcan anybody help me?09:11
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jmhodgesmy dpkg is borked09:11
Junkiedoes ubuntu automaticly start to x windows ?09:12
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udJunkie: only if you want it to09:12
jmhodgesall attempts to install, remove, etc with synaptic or apt-get get me an odd error and a /var/lib/dpkg/lock left behind09:12
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Junkiei always mess up doing it myself09:12
Junkiexf86config hates me :)09:12
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udJunkie: check the kernel boot options when installing if you dont want it to09:12
Junkiei want it too :)09:13
fabbioneJunkie: you are not supposed to use xf86config09:13
jmhodgesthe error: http://www.pastebin.com/12057109:13
fabbioneit is a depracated tool09:13
jmhodgesanyone know whats causing that?09:13
Junkieim a primary desktop users09:13
jmhodgesi cant isntall any debs because of it :-/09:13
Junkiekind of a linux newbie09:13
fabbioneJunkie: see FAQ09:13
fabbioneand wiki09:13
Junkieim reading it now09:14
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udjmhodges: probably a stupid question to ask you but has it got anything to do with not being sudo?09:14
udI havent usee synaptic09:14
jmhodgesnope, i used sudo09:14
jmhodgeson both09:14
jmhodgesgksudo as well for synaptic09:14
jmhodgesthats not the issue09:14
jmhodgesfound one issue.. its looking for /usr/share/info/sed.info but /usr/share/info only contians .gz files and directories09:16
jmhodgesbut i have no idea how to resolve this issue09:17
Codename_Vjmhodges: seems like you'd just remove that file ta me.09:17
Codename_Vmake sure no other instances of dpkg or whatever are running I guess first.09:17
jmhodgesnope, no dpkg, no synaptic and no apt09:18
jmhodgesCodename_V: i dont understand how removing a file would help.  what file are you referring to?09:18
Codename_Vjmhodges: the /var/lib/dpkg/lock file.  I'd imagine it's empty and something there to just prevent more than one instance of dpkg or whatever starting up.09:19
Codename_Vbut me, what do I know, I'm a fedora guy mostly.  =)09:19
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Treenaksare you root?09:19
jmhodgesCodename_V: the lock file is left by those processes, but i've been clearing it out and retesting09:20
jmhodgesthat is not the issue09:20
jmhodgesTreenaks: like i said earlier, yes im using sudo09:20
jmhodgesthats not the error you get from not having the proper perms09:20
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Codename_Vjmhodges: so you're saying you deleted that file and you still get the same error?09:21
jmhodgesthose lock files are created after this error09:21
jmhodgesbecause dpkg etc doesnt finish properly09:21
Codename_Vah, gotcha.  I thought at first you were saying that was your error.09:22
Codename_Vso what's the error exactly?09:22
jmhodgessorry for the confusion09:22
jmhodges(i posted that above, but it probably got scrolled up too fast)09:22
elbihmm, after upgrading to hoary my fonts look very blury (LCD)09:23
elbiany tips?09:23
seek187jmhodges, are you using hoary?09:23
jmhodgesno matter what pkg i try to install or remove, the error is the same except for the ".info" filename09:23
jmhodgesseek187: yes09:23
Treenaksjmhodges: dpkg --purge sed09:23
jmhodgesTreenaks: are you not listening?09:23
Treenaks(maybe --force-depends)09:23
Treenaksyou're installing dpkg09:23
seek187jmhodges, have you upgraded your packages within the last oh two hors or so?09:23
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jmhodgesseek187: erm.. yes09:24
seek187cause sed is broke...09:24
jmhodgeswell son of a bitch09:24
seek187it happend to me to09:24
jmhodgesTreenaks: sorry for jumping on you09:24
seek187it will be fixed tomarrow09:24
jmhodgesTreenaks: apologies09:24
jmhodgesseek187: heh, ok, thanks a ton09:24
Codename_Vhoary is like debian unstable or something, but ubuntu?09:24
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jmhodgesCodename_V: its the next release..09:24
TreenaksCodename_V: debian unstable + experimental more likely :)09:24
jmhodgesso.. it can be really unstable hehe09:25
seek187np :)09:25
calchoary is good fer ya09:25
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calcwell if its like sid then it can't be bad, sid has been nice and stable for me for 6 years09:25
Codename_Vthink I'll stick with warty for the time being.  =)09:25
bob2if you don't want to help find bugs, stick with warty for now09:26
jmhodgesseek187: btw, whos tomorrow is that? NZ tomorrow? EST tomorrow? GMT tomorrow?09:26
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Codename_VI just want to give the thing a whril really.09:26
Codename_Vwhirl rather09:26
jmhodgesoh bah, im sure itll be fixed in the next 18 hours not matter what09:26
jmhodgesthanks folks09:26
seek187jmhodges,  have no idea :/ that's what someone told me.. I guess it's already fixed it just need to get in the pool09:26
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bob2well, warty is only a month old09:27
bob2it's not that out of date ;-)09:27
elbiwhere can i configure font rendering settings?09:27
Codename_Vhmm, actually, now I'm thinking neither will support my hardware though.  or what kernels do warty or hoary come with?  both 2.4?09:27
jmhodgeselbi: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Font09:27
jmhodgesCodename_V: 2.609:27
elbijmhodges: it doesn't fix the problem, the fonts still look way too AA'ed09:28
seek187I hope the broken sed doesnt mess up my install if I reboot tho :/09:28
elbijmhodges: and blury09:28
bob2Codename_V: only 2.6 is supported on ubuntu09:28
jmhodgesCodename_V: the only way udev and therefore hal and therefore gnome-volume-manager and therefore gnome 2.8 will work09:28
jmhodgesis to use 2.6 kernel09:28
jmhodgeselbi: dont know other than that09:28
Codename_Vjmhodges: ah, so maybe it will then.  I've got this stupid raid controller that only a 2.6 kernel recognizes.09:28
elbijmhodges: thanks anyway09:28
seek187elbi, I don't think it works right09:29
calc2.4 sucks anyway09:29
elbiseek187: no, after upgrading to hoary the fonts a really, well, ugly :)09:29
seek187elbi, have you tried this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=445609:29
jmhodgesCodename_V: most likely.  jdub, mdz, et. al. put out a rather good kernel :)09:29
jmhodgesok, im off09:29
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elbiseek187: hmm, that configuration didn't help, but a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig did09:40
elbidisabling the subpixel lcd rendering09:40
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seek187ah I see09:41
elbithe funny thing, i have a lcd :P09:41
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elbiand as a sidenote, gnomes font configuration have NO effect on my setup, subpixel lcd rendering is enabled there09:42
elbichanging rendering options there is like talking to a dummy doll09:42
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alka_trashso like, what's new09:50
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wood1Does anybody know how to get connected to this Chat forum using some proxy settings09:52
psyklopswhen I'm compiling my kernel, how do I make sure it is using my config?09:52
wood1My PC at office is behind some kind of firewall which disables GAIM09:52
psyklopschange the port GAIM uses if possible?09:53
trey`wood1: both Gaim and XChat have proxy setting dialogues...09:53
psyklops(guess that would be a proxy, unless the AIM protocol can change ports alone)09:53
trey`and its 'Gaim', NOT 'GAIM'... you're gonna get them sued  [angryface] 09:53
wood1Which port 6667 ?09:54
trey`wood1: IRC usually...09:54
Tsjoklattrey are done being a lunatik?09:54
trey`Tsjoklat: *nods*09:54
psyklops4 AM and I'm still working on my kernel hah09:54
Tsjoklatgood to have you back trey :)09:54
trey`Tsjoklat: linking accounts for no apparent reason  8-)09:54
psyklopsI finally got my config all worked out09:54
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psyklopsbut I realized... I don't know if its using the config I have09:55
wood1By the way, my hard disk using is almost full 95 %09:55
trey`Tsjoklat: haha  :)09:55
alka_trashpsyklops:  did you enable /proc/config.gz ?09:55
alka_trashI think that's the address09:55
psyklopsnope, no need for it09:55
Tsjoklatsorry trey :P~~~~09:55
Junkie8 minutes to go then i can burn the iso and install ubuntu09:55
alka_trashdamn, that was one way09:55
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wood1Does anyone have any ideas which programs to remove safely which does not affect the system files09:56
wood1I repeat that my hard disk space is 95 % full09:56
trey`wood1: how big is the hd?09:56
alka_trashdo a modprobe for something that you took out09:56
psyklops95% of 10 TB ;)09:56
seek187wood1, have you downloaded tons of packages?09:56
alka_trashI know09:56
trey`psyklops: damn... thats a lot of pr0n  8-)09:56
Junkielol 10 terrabyte hd.. that would be insane09:56
wood1Well it is 10 GB but 8 GB is being used by Windows09:56
alka_trashgo to CLI and input uname -a09:57
wood1I have installed Ubuntu on a 2 BG partition09:57
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alka_trashit should tell you when your kernel was built09:57
trey`wood1: thats the problem... 2 gig is barely big enough for the install...09:57
wood1You see, my co-worker who shares this PC and she is using Windows09:57
Junkietell her MS is the devil09:58
psyklopsstill want to know how to point to compiler to MY config (I realized when I typed make that I actually had multiple configs and never specified)09:58
Junkieand she should run linux09:58
wood1So I just can't afford is partition or resize the partition because it contains alot of Official papers works and other improtant stuff of hers09:58
trey`wood1: bah... give her a 2 gig too... then share the other 6 as FAT  ;)09:58
alka_trashit's too bad that I have to run windows at work, because I have do deal with active directory all the time :(09:58
Junkieyeah i screwed up my windows xp is ntfs09:58
Junkieso it kidna sucks09:58
seek187Mine to09:59
seek187I can only read it :/09:59
Junkieso i only got 6 gigs for linux + 500megs for swap09:59
potatowoodl you could just make a 2GB loop file and mount it somewhere in your file system09:59
potatoshould help09:59
trey`Junkie: my 2k3 server is NTFS... but there is a FAT partition for easily taking stuff from one OS to the other...09:59
alka_trashpartition magic will convert that for ya, scary though09:59
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Junkiewell once i found the right distro for me, im removing windows09:59
Junkiefound = find09:59
wood1How do I create a 2 GB loop file, I have never heard of that09:59
trey`Junkie: bah...09:59
Junkiehopefully ubuntu will be the one10:00
Junkieive tried to get 3d graphics on 4 different distro's10:00
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Junkiehopefully it works here10:00
seek187ubuntu is the best distro i've used so far10:00
Junkiei was using MEPIS10:00
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trey`Tsjoklat: grr @ having it saved in the first place10:00
Tsjoklatit's hidden!10:00
trey`Tsjoklat: kinda scary  :P10:00
Tsjoklatfive passwords protected10:01
Junkieit was okay, but i had to reinstall 2 times due to upgrading the kernel and it not recognizing half of my hardware10:01
wood1So anybody, do you have any ideas to remove some programs while not affecting any system files10:01
Tsjoklattrey are you any good with evo?10:01
TreenaksTsjoklat: what? you have trey`'s picture as a background image?10:01
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trey`Tsjoklat: eh... not really... I use Thunderbird or just webmail  :/10:01
Tsjoklatcrap on a roll10:02
Tsjoklat<-- very unhappy bunny10:02
seek187Can thunderbird check local mail?10:02
trey`Tsjoklat: whats wrong with it?10:02
trey`seek187: sure...10:02
Junkiei use Gmail so i dont have to worry about programs10:02
Tsjoklatdoesn't show up trey10:02
trey`Junkie: I do too  8-)10:02
seek187How? I can't find the option10:02
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seek187just pop and imap10:02
Junkieokay time to burn iso10:02
Tsjoklatit starts up... get the warning window about being unstable yada yada10:02
Tsjoklatand that's it10:02
Tsjoklatpoof gone10:03
trey`Tsjoklat: ahh... that can't be good  :(10:03
Junkiehmm 8x should be slow enough10:03
Tsjoklatit shows up in my system monitor but that is not going to get me to read my blardy email10:03
wood1How do I setup Evolution to get emails from Gmail using POP or IMAP ?10:03
trey`Tsjoklat: filed a bug about it? run from terminal and see why it died  :(10:03
Tsjoklatit tells me heaps of reasons why it died10:03
trey`wood1: you can't... I've been trying for a while...  :(10:03
Tsjoklatit is mainly very discontent with certain dirs not being available10:04
seek187trey`,  yeah you can10:04
trey`Tsjoklat: put all that in the bug report  :)10:04
Tsjoklatmainly plugins10:04
Junkiethere is a program10:04
Tsjoklatyou sound like bob2 trey10:04
Junkiemade by gmail10:04
Junkieyou can download10:04
wood1seek187, how ?10:04
trey`seek187: ?10:04
seek187I use gmail with Evolution10:04
trey`Tsjoklat: thanks for the compliment  :)10:04
seek187Enable SSL on incoming pop3 server enter username@gmail.com and enable .....10:04
trey`seek187: gmail.google.com and IMAP?10:04
bob2advocating people write bug reports is not a bad thing10:04
seek187oh Imap?10:05
seek187sorry thought you ment pop10:05
Tsjoklatit was a compliment bob2, take it as such10:05
Junkieany secrets to installing ubuntu before i go?10:05
Tsjoklatyeah Junkie10:05
Junkieor anything to look out for ?10:06
TreenaksJunkie: boredom ;)10:06
trey`Junkie: hit enter 7 times (I think... plus you have to like, enter a username and password when it asks  :/)10:06
Tsjoklatdon't treat it like you are Harry Potter... don't type: remove file and expect it to be gone10:06
seek187Junkie it pretty much installs it self :P10:06
TreenaksJunkie: find something to do while you're not answering questions ;)10:06
Junkiei got the ps210:06
Junkienext to the pc10:06
Junkieim used to compiling large things10:06
trey`Junkie: Gentoo?10:07
wood1seek, what is the host for IMAP ?10:07
Junkieyeah i tried gentoo10:07
Junkietook me 5 days to get to where i could load kde10:07
Junkielots o compiling10:07
seek187wood1, sorry I thought you were talking about pop at first10:07
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potatothat's why I run crux10:07
Junkieyeah thats why i said i TRIED gentoo10:08
potatoonly 10 hour until I can use xfce4 on xorg10:08
potato1 hour10:08
wood1seek, POP or IMAP ?10:08
wood1FOR GMAIL10:08
trey`potato: want to trade computers?  8-)10:08
seek187You can do pop yes10:08
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trey`Pop sucks though  :(10:08
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seek187just enable SSL on pop and smtp pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com10:08
potatocrux just comes wtih xorg compiled10:08
potatoit's just an Athlon XP2600+10:09
Junkiei just hope i can get the other pc on the net when i install ubuntu10:09
wood1incoming and outgoing ports are 110 and 2510:09
Junkiei had to use guidedog in mepis10:09
trey`potato: try on a 950 Duron  :/10:09
Junkieand disable the firewall in guarddog10:09
potatoI used to have a Duron 80010:09
potatothey're not that bad10:09
trey`potato: installing Gentoo on that is a pain  :(10:09
Junkiei got a 2ghz celeron :(10:09
seek187I still can't get fetchmail to work right with gmail tho :/10:09
potatoJunkie, if you ever find the time, try out crux10:09
Junkiecrux ?10:10
potatosorry to spam in the ubuntu channel10:10
bob2you don't need to reconfigure any firewall on ubuntu to use that10:10
bob2since ubuntu has no firewall by default10:10
Junkieokay cool10:10
Junkiecause i use ICS in windows10:10
potatobob2, it does have iptables I assume10:10
Junkieto share the connection10:10
bob2potato: of course, but it does nothing by default10:10
bob2since there's no need to firewall an ubuntu desktop machine10:11
Junkieim sure i can get it running10:11
potatoyuck, port forwarding sucks on ics10:11
Junkieor ill be in here asking lots of questions10:11
Junkieand lots of posts on the forums10:11
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potatoJunkie, it's easy, just 2 lines on the server if you do it on linux10:11
Junkie2 lines ?10:11
seek187Junkie, read the howto section on the forums lots of good stuff there10:11
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jimmingshello, does anybody knows how to launch amsn when it has been installed ?10:11
potatoto share the internet connection10:11
Junkieahh okay10:11
bob2sudo apt-get install ipmasq10:12
Junkiewell ill try it on my own first10:12
bob2answer some questions10:12
wood1seek, what about SMTP authentication ?10:12
Junkieand see where that gets me10:12
bob2Junkie: alt-f2 amsn <enter>10:12
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Junkieokay thanks10:13
Junkieim off to install10:13
Junkiewish me luck!10:13
seek187wood1, smtp.gmail.com then Use SSL always > enter username@gmail.com10:13
seek187for username10:13
Casparneed help for my screen on my laptop10:13
Casparcan someone help me?10:14
TsjoklatCaspar you got a lcd?10:14
CasparTsjoklat Laptop is that OK?10:14
Tsjoklatjust trying to get the ball rolling for you Caspar :)10:15
Casparthere i am now in the XF86Config-410:15
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Casparstvn helpt me on the dutch chanel10:15
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cryptomatthi there10:16
wood1SEEK, POP does not work for Gmail10:16
seek187did you put your username@gmail.com?10:17
cryptomatti seem to be having a problem with my monitor10:17
CasparGmail dousent support POP10:17
seek187and use SSL always on pop settings10:17
seek187Caspar, yes it does10:17
TreenaksCaspar: gmail does support pop now10:17
Agrajagwood1 and Caspar: yes, it does.10:17
AgrajagJust not for everyone.10:17
seek187Not yet10:17
AgrajagThey're phasing it in, some people have it, sone don't.10:18
AgrajagYes, right now.10:18
seek187wood1, do you have pop enabled on your real gmail account I hope?10:18
cryptomattafter the regular boot, xserver just refuses to start10:18
TreenaksCaspar: don't shout10:18
cryptomatton the other hand.. when i boot up into a different distro say yoper and then restart the machine to ubuntu the xserver starts up fine.. what could be wrong??10:18
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stvndoes a lcd monitor need a 'modes' line in XFconfig?10:18
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jimmingsamsn is installed but i can't see it. so how to run it. please need help10:20
wood1well, where is that option ?10:20
bob2jimmings: alt-f2. type "amsn". hit enter.10:20
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seek187Are you under the receiving mail tab?10:21
bob2all this gmail stuff seems kinda off-topic dudes10:21
Casparcan someone help me?10:21
bob2are you nearly done?10:21
seek187Where is says Security... use Secure connection... check that to always10:21
bob2Caspar: it didn't get set up automatically?10:21
Casparbob2: got probs whit it10:21
Casparbob2: my screen go's OK till i get Gnome displaymanager then the screen go's weird10:22
wood1seek, I have done that10:22
seek187if thats checked and you have your username@gmail.com and pop.gmail.com in there you should get mail with no problem10:22
stvnbob2: his screen is messed up, sounds like a wrong resolution, but so far we (dutch ppl) haven't been able to solve it10:22
jimmingsthank you bob2. it works !10:22
seek187Unless you don't have it setup in your real gmail account10:23
bob2jimmings: cool!10:23
bob2jimmings: you can add it to the menu by editing it with "preferences:///" in nautilus10:23
bob2seek187: wood1 dudes.10:23
bob2Caspar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug10:24
Casparill try10:25
Casparehiy number 4 it says cannot stat10:29
Casparno such file or dir10:29
wood1how do I mount NTFS Partition ?10:29
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bob2wood1: sure that's no answered in the FAQ?10:30
Agrajagmount -t ntfs /dev/hdxy /mnt/mountpoint -o ro10:30
Agrajagchange hdxy and mountpoint to suit you10:30
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wood1Can I write to it ?10:30
Casparbob2: it says cannont stat. nu such file or dir10:31
bob2Caspar: what does?10:31
Casparbob2 if i do it whit numer 4 of the site you gave me10:32
Gmailstop saying gmail10:33
bob2Gmail: change your nick10:33
Agrajagstop being named gmail10:33
bob2you easily have the stupidest nick in here10:33
bob2Caspar: you don't have a X config file at all?10:33
bob2what did you do to it?10:34
Caspari was in the file first10:34
Casparbob2: stvn told me to do this command10:34
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bob2what command?10:35
Casparsudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-410:35
bob2that doesn't delete the file10:35
Caspari cee the error10:35
wood1seek187, Thanks, thanks, thanks for GMAIL, it's working now10:36
Caspardid ect instaid of etc10:36
seek187wood1, n/p10:36
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Junkiei have a problem :(10:37
danielsi don't actually use gmail much myself10:37
danielsmy gmail account just forwards to foosihbar10:37
Junkieafter installing it boots and gets to loading hotplug10:38
Junkieand just stalls10:38
seek187Junkie, it should keep loading it did that to me too10:38
Junkiejust wait awhile?10:38
seek187Junkie, does it have fatal errors?10:38
Junkiejust sits there10:38
seek187well it takes awhile and I have had it lock up on me there before10:38
Tsjoklatseek where how?10:38
seek187might want to try to boot again10:39
seek187Tsjoklat,  huh?10:39
Junkieill let it sit for a minute or two10:39
Tsjoklatit seems you gave some advice about gmail10:39
TsjoklatI was 'occupied'10:39
Tsjoklatwhat was it? :)10:39
seek187yeah the pop3 settings for Evolution10:39
seek187helping him set it up10:39
Tsjoklatif only I could get evolution to start up....10:40
Tsjoklatwould you mind flopping it one more tine for me? *bats eyelashes*10:40
seek187Just use SSL on pop3 and smtp and it works fine10:40
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seek187And use your whole address for login10:40
sanitariois anyone else having troubles with upgrading sed in hoary today?10:41
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Casparbob2: it is wierd again10:41
seek187sanitario, sed is broken10:41
sanitarioseek187: good, that's what I thought.10:41
seek187Tsjoklat, heh10:41
Tsjoklatseek187 and I just went through the sed drama10:42
seek187I know :(10:42
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Tsjoklatbut we survived10:42
`Gumbylo all.  I am interrested in trying out ubuntu and was wondering if a person can do a network install of it10:43
Tsjoklatand we are here to save the rest10:43
Tsjoklat<-- in a mood.. please ignore10:43
TsjoklatGumby you can10:43
`GumbyTsjoklat, just the standard boot.img and root.img that debain uses?10:44
Casparhello bob2 are you there?10:44
TsjoklatGumby I reckon.. there is a page about that on the wiki10:44
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Casparhello can anyone help me?10:47
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chemajato irssi users: the Startup-HOWTO describes a "/network" command, but when i type the command into irssi, i get "20:43 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: network". what's my problem?10:49
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Casparannyone here?10:51
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trey`chemaja: what exactly are you trying to do?10:51
trey`chemaja: I have never seen a /network command, and have used a lot of IRC clients  :/10:51
Casparseek187: can you help me whit my screen on my laptop?10:52
seek187eh, im not good a X configs :/10:52
Casparwho is?10:53
chemajatrey`: i'm wanting to list 'networks' as defined in the irssi config10:53
chemajatrey`: apparently "/ircnet" works10:53
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Casparseek187: who is then Good at x config?10:55
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trey`seek187: seek murder? was that intentional?10:55
opiseek187: how about dpkg-recofigure xserver-xfree86?10:55
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seek187trey`, eh sorta it used to be something else it was a gaming nick I used in half-life :P10:56
trey`ahh... that kinda works  :)10:56
Casparbut who can help me then?10:57
trey`Caspar: depends whats wrong...10:57
Caspartrey`: my scren10:58
trey`Caspar: thats pretty non-specific...10:58
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trey`Whats wrong with the screen?  :/10:58
Casparit vibrates10:58
Caspari cee it10:58
Caspargooing down10:59
Casparand 2times to the side10:59
seek187maybe the refresh rate is to high?10:59
Casparwhere can i edit that?10:59
Casparfirst need to bood in safe :|10:59
trey`Caspar: ahh... never heard of that  :/10:59
Caspartrey`: there's alway's an first one11:00
trey`Caspar: I don't see how X would do that though  :(11:00
trey`Caspar: I saw that you told someone there is no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file?11:01
danielstrey`: timing issues11:01
trey`daniels: ahh... please help him... then I can go to bed  :D11:01
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Caspartrey`:no there was only i typed it wrong11:02
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Junkieit still stalls at Starting Hotplug11:02
seek187Hmm weird11:02
Junkiehere is a post about it11:02
Junkieis what it says to put in11:03
trey`Caspar: daniels = X maintainer... he's the best person to ask  :)11:03
Junkiethink that will work?11:03
seek187I have no clue I know it happend to me the first time and I rebooted and it never happend again so I'm not sure11:04
seek187You could try doing that11:04
Junkiei just hit e at grub right11:04
Junkieand add that in?11:04
Caspardaniels: you there?11:04
Caspardaniels can you help me?11:05
trey`Caspar: My best guess would be to adjust the HorizSync and VertSync values to something more suitable for your monitor... for instance, 30-60 and 50-100 respectively is recommended for 1024x768...11:05
Junkieokay off to try a fix11:06
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setepoin which package is the xcompmgr program?11:07
trey`setepo: should be exactly that...11:07
trey`sudo apt-get install xcompmgr11:07
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trey`setepo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=379911:08
xukunhow can I see if I have an apache group11:08
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wood1What is the benifits of xcompmgr while using XOrg ?11:08
CasparDaniels are you there?11:08
setepotrey`, um.. I have no that package =/11:09
danielsCaspar: sorry, not paying much attention to irc11:09
Treenakswood1: none yet11:09
seek187wood1, you get fancy shadows with windows and fading menus if you want but its really buggy11:09
setepotrey`, is it in hoary?11:09
danielsCaspar: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and try removing your HorizSync and VertRefresh lines11:09
trey`wood1: umm... manageing the composite extensions...11:09
Treenakswood1: it's slow..11:10
trey`daniels: I got in trouble here for telling someone to do that  :(11:10
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trey`Caspar: ps, he means VertSync...   :)11:11
Caspardaniels: the edousent work11:11
TreenaksCaspar: you can't edit the file?11:12
trey`Caspar: by edit, he means vi/nano/etc11:12
danielsCaspar: I have no idea, sorry11:12
CasparO LOL11:12
trey`daniels: s/he is just being slow  ;)11:12
Caspari types just edit11:12
seek187Caspar, try sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-411:12
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Junkiestill no luck11:13
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Junkiei am getting an error first though that says KDSKBENT invalid arguemnt11:13
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trey`Caspar: such things need not be said  :)11:13
trey`Tsjoklat: sounds fun  ;)11:13
=== trey` is still not heading to bed :(
seek187Junkie, before hotplug starts?11:13
Tsjoklatyes mr. Bo should be happy that I love her so much... I could strangle her right now11:14
Junkieits one of the first messages after Grub loads ubuntu11:14
Caspardaniel: and wehre do i remove the horizsync and vertrefrech11:14
Caspardaniels: and wehre do i remove the horizsync and vertrefrech11:14
trey`Tsjoklat: Mr Bo is a female?11:14
Tsjoklatmr. Bo is female11:14
trey`Caspar: the lines state "HorizSync" and "VertSync"... they are mid way down...11:14
TreenaksCaspar: there's only in one palce11:14
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trey`Tsjoklat: that makes very little sense  :(  Shouldn't be Ms. Bo?  :o11:15
Tsjoklatno no no11:15
Tsjoklatmr. Bo is a huge 26 pound Maine Coon11:15
trey`Caspar: you see them yet?11:15
TreenaksTsjoklat: bo the ancient Debian release? :P11:16
Tsjoklatshe acts like she got *bad word*11:16
xukunWhat I,m missing here, "useradd -d /home/svnroot -c subversion svn"  This also creates a new group, svn  and at this point only user svn  is in the group yes?11:16
kaputi have suspend working quite well. however, upon resuming, somehow the power button is triggered and starts the power down script.11:16
kaputanyone have any ideas?11:17
trey`xukun: umm... user before options...11:17
wood1Where do I get Xcompmgmr and how do I install it ?11:17
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seek187Junkie, is  USB legacy support off in the BIOS?11:17
trey`enless I'm more tired then I thought  :/11:17
Casparcan't fild it daniels11:17
Tsjoklatwell she started out as Scruf11:17
Junkiea post said that it wouldnt matter11:17
Junkieon or off11:17
Tsjoklatthen Huffle11:17
Junkiefrom what i read11:17
Junkiei guess it wouldnt hurt to go try it11:17
seek187I was reading a page on google about that error comes up when its off11:17
trey`Caspar: stop bothering him enless you do it and it doesn't work...11:17
Tsjoklatthen Buffel... then Bo then mister Bo Jingles11:17
seek187hmm dunno just guessing11:18
Junkiedo i want it on or off?11:18
Tsjoklatand now ... mr. bo11:18
trey`Caspar: They are in Section "Monitor"...11:18
Junkiei guess ill go try that11:18
xukuntrey`, how sure are u?11:18
Caspar:| oke i am blind11:18
trey`xukun: not at all... and am wrong  :(11:18
CasparOKe its deleted11:19
CasparDaniels what now?11:19
trey`xukun: cept, its not creating a group that I can see... that would be -g or -G11:19
trey`(-g = primary, -G = secondary)11:19
xukuntrey`, thanks anyway11:20
trey`Caspar: restart x... either ctrl alt backspace, or /etc/init.d/gdm restart11:20
Caspartrey`: i am in recovery mode11:20
trey`xukun: no really... you have no pointer to a group... its easier to edit /etc/passwd (for user accounts) and /etc/groups (for group info) though...11:21
trey`Caspar: ok... save the file and reboot...11:21
trey`xukun: those files are the reason I am not good at the commands... the commands are kinda overkill...11:21
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Caspartrey`: again same screen11:23
Tsjoklattrey check your email11:23
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Junkiestill no luck11:23
Junkieguess i wont be using ubuntu :(11:24
seek187hmm, that sucks I  have no idea11:24
trey`Tsjoklat: will do  :)11:24
trey`Caspar: hmm... thats not good... I have no idea what could be wrong :(11:25
wood1Does anyone here have script to copy certain fields of a web page and not other fields ?11:25
Junkiewell thanks for the help11:25
Junkieim off to find another distro to try11:26
seek187Junkie, do you have a USB keyboard plugged into a hub?11:26
Casparcan you helpme again?11:26
danielsCaspar: i have no idea, sorry11:26
Junkieusb is empty11:26
seek187ah ok11:26
Casparcan someone else help me?11:26
trey`Caspar: if daniels has no idea, no one does... sorry...11:26
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wood1How do I connect to a Oracle database using PHP ?11:27
Casparback to Suse then11:27
Caspari hoped that you knew it11:27
trey`Caspar: shitty  :/11:27
deFrysksed is broken in hoary ?11:27
trey`Caspar: at least try Fedora or something... SuSE just sucks (imo)11:27
seek187deFrysk, yes it is11:27
Caspar(it is even 32but software on a 64 bit computer :|11:28
Junkiei'm tired of wasting cd-r's11:28
Casparand i know suse sucks11:28
deFryskseek187, darn11:28
GmailSuSE stands for Swerst ulinux Sdistro EVER11:28
deFryskis it being fixed ?11:28
Casparbut its the only other version i have of linux :|11:28
seek187already is i think11:28
Junkiei could stick with windows11:28
Casparso i only can use Suse :|11:28
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wood1Anyone here who is an expert in scripting ?11:28
seek187sometime today it will be in I heard11:29
trey`Gmail: negative... there are 200+ mainstream distro's... SUSE is far from the worst... certainly not one of the best these days though...11:29
wood1I need desperate help in scripting11:29
deFryskseek187, k :)11:29
Casparand another error11:29
Casparthe boot screen dousent saw WIndows11:29
trey`Caspar: need to set LBA in BIOS..11:30
Casparwhat in what?11:30
Casparo lol11:30
Casparknow what BIOS is :P11:30
Casparso what in Bios11:31
trey`Caspar: Logical Block Allocation or something... I dunno... but it needs to be enabled to boot into Winblows using GRUB...11:31
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Casparit works whit this computer and whit suse :|11:32
seek187he'll have to update his menu.1st to11:32
trey`seek187: why?11:32
seek187well if it is already written with out windows in it .. it won't rewrite it for him will it?11:33
trey`seek187: d-i tries to detect winblows... if it finds it, it will put an option in there by itself...11:33
seek187ohh ok..11:33
seek187nevermind then :)11:33
deFrysksfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --force --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda11:33
trey`seek187: he wouldn't even see the option if d-i hadn't detected it  :)11:33
deFryskor something to make it work11:33
seek187I see11:34
Tsjoklatdid you get it trey11:34
seek187whenever I update grub it wipes out my windows entrys so I just add it back in there11:34
trey`Tsjoklat: I got the mail... not sure if I want to download a tar.gz right now though  :(11:34
Tsjoklatwhat do you mean?11:34
Tsjoklatit is tiny?11:34
Tsjoklatyou want me to send just a regular file?11:35
trey`seek187: yeah, thats grub... chances are he hasn't ran update-grub or grub-install though  ;)11:35
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trey`Tsjoklat: would be better  :)  I am kinda paranoid  :(11:35
Tsjoklatok ok ok have another lager love11:35
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trey`Caspar: hah... I will eventually  :)11:36
Tsjoklattrey oh paranoia one it has been sent11:37
trey`Tsjoklat: gratzi  :)11:37
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Casparand a question for Suse KDE11:39
Casparsomeone knows something about that?11:39
__danie1Caspar: ask your question and you'll see11:40
Casparhow can i make the screen @ a better resolution so i don't get those big letters and Icon's11:40
wood1By the way, how do I back up my GRUB Configuration in a floppy disk just incase Windows NT loader overwrite it?11:42
wood1Anyone can help me to back up my GRUB Loader in case of imergency11:44
Casparhow can i make the screen @ a better resolution so i don't get those big letters and Icon's11:44
Casparon SUSE KDE11:44
__danie1Caspar: nobody seems to know, or somebody knowing it just didnt read your question yet... try to be patient11:45
Gmailsuse is yuck it self but KDE SICK!11:45
danielsGmail: dude11:46
danielslet it go11:46
Caspari know it sucks but UBUNTU dousent work11:46
TreenaksCaspar: no, X does not work on your ubuntu installation, slight difference11:46
GmailCaspar: md5sum check cds ...11:46
stvnCaspar: you're on suse now?11:46
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trey`Gmail: hah... you got told off by an ex-KDE maintainer  ;)11:46
Casparyes on Suse no11:46
stvnCaspar: check the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file11:47
stvnpreferably copy it to floppy or something and use that for you ubuntu setup11:47
Casparstvn: i am allready installing Suse 9.1 again now11:48
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stvnCaspar: ah you gave up on ubuntu ;)11:48
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Casparstvn: ya11:49
Casparstvn: trey` said when daniels couldent help me nobody could11:49
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TreenaksCaspar: well, if you have suse, just copy the xf86config file somewhere safe11:49
TreenaksCaspar: then re-install ubuntu11:49
TreenaksCaspar: and make it use the suse config file11:49
TreenaksCaspar: that should work11:50
tolstoy-How do I recover from: Setting up sed (4.1.2-2) ... No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.11:50
seek187tolstoy, you can't now11:50
tolstoy-apt-get -f install didn't do it.11:50
seek187its broke11:50
Treenakstolstoy-: wait11:50
CasparTreenaks: sry but i don't have floppy11:50
tolstoy-Oh. Okay.11:50
TreenaksCaspar: USB key, CD-R, DVD-RW, memory card, digital camera?11:51
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CasparTreenaks: have USB mp3speeler11:51
Casparbut dous it work on safe11:52
TreenaksCaspar: if you can copy a file to it, that's enough11:52
maz1977I need to install software to burn cdr and dvd. Can you tell me a name?11:52
TreenaksCaspar: or you could mail it to yourself11:52
Casparyes but can i use it on Ubuntu failsafe?11:52
seek187there you go mail it to yourself11:53
Treenaksmaz1977: data CDs, images or audio/mixed CDs?11:53
Casparbecose i can't get in the Gnome online on ubuntu11:53
maz1977treenaks: data principally11:53
seek187Caspar, you can use links11:53
seek187its a text based web browser11:54
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Treenaksmaz1977: just use the built-in burning in nautilus11:54
deFryskhttp://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt  :(11:54
Treenaksmaz1977: open a file window, then in the 'places' menu11:54
Casparhow can i install it if i can't get to Gnome?11:54
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seek187Caspar, apt-get install links11:55
seek187or lynx11:55
maz1977treenaks: thanks find it. Can I use it to burn iso?11:55
seek187maz1977, right click on the iso and burn it that way11:55
Treenaksmaz1977: yes, right-click the ISO image, then select "burn to cd" from the menu11:55
Casparoke but i am no off to breakfast11:56
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maz1977where easy!11:56
maz1977ops, very easy11:57
maz1977where I can set to don't open new file window when I'm doubleclick?11:59
deFryskbouble click with wheel button11:59
trey`Tsjoklat: *poke*11:59
trey`Cute cat  8-)12:00
trey`Fat cat though  :o12:00
Tsjoklatmr. Bo is NOT fat12:01
Tsjoklatshe is big boned12:01
trey`mmmhmm  :P12:01
trey`I miss having pets  :(12:01
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TsjoklatI got four lol12:02
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trey`Cats rule... so fun... and they can read body language better than dogs  :)12:03
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trey`But yeah... I'm going to bed foreal this time  8)12:03
trey`night  :)12:04
Tsjoklatnighters trey :)12:04
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trey`neill: just after 4am  :(12:05
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the_onehi everybody12:06
wood1So how do I backup my GRUB loader on a floppy disk in case some other boot loader overwrites it ???12:07
the_oneI freed some space on my win partition and I want to give it to the ubuntu partition. I am on reiserfs, how does it support partition resizing, I never done that before, and I can't afford losing the data in my ubuntu installation.12:08
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ljlanethe_one: basically, put a file system on the floppy, copy /boot/grub/ there, and use grub-install on the floppy12:10
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ljlanesorry, that was foor wood112:11
Treenaksljlane: heh, I do that with my 64MB /boot compactflash card :)12:11
Treenaksljlane: grub can't boot from software RAID5 :(12:11
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the_oneljlane: how about my question? can you give me any suggestion?12:17
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the_oneI am affraid o f damaging my ubuntu installation, I need to resize my reiserfs partition, it would be really kind if someone could tell me if resizing reiserfs isn't more dangerous than resizing...FAT, for exmple (i'm not comparing the two, just want someone to say that it's ok or not)12:22
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herman_how would one recommend to burn cd's in ubuntu? what cdwrite problems fits in most nicely for novice users?12:41
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mjrherman_, if we're talking data cds, just burn them with nautilus12:42
herman_mjr, where would i find nautilus burn feature?12:43
herman_ah i found it hidden in some menu. :P DVD/CD maker12:44
herman_i'll test that, thnx12:44
seek187herman_, and if you want to burn an ISO just right click on the ISO and click write to CD12:45
herman_mjr, and what would you recommend for audio cd's?12:45
herman_seek187, ah thats nice too.12:45
danielsUsage: install-keymap [ keymap_file | NONE | KERNEL ] 12:45
danielsdpkg: error processing console-common (--configure):12:45
daniels subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 112:45
daniels[...] 12:45
mjrherman_, not sure currently12:46
herman_mjr, i could not find mature gnome cdburning tools12:46
mjrhopefully Hoary will have audio cd burning in rhythmbox, until then you'd have to use some of the other apps like xcdroast, gtoaster or k3b etc12:46
Riddellherman_: k3b12:46
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mjrherman_, besides nautilus, there are none, sadly enough12:47
herman_Riddell, ok. i hear lot of good things about k3b. although it will probably not fit in really nicely with a gnomedesktop12:47
mjrno mature ones anyway12:47
danielsoh, crack.12:47
danielsKamion: don't debootstrap warty with LANG=LC_ALL=en_AU.UTF-8.  Bad Things happen.12:47
herman_mjr, maybe nautilus will implement it in some future release?12:47
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mjrherman_, it? audio burning? I don't know, since rhythmbox is doing that.12:48
herman_mjr, oh rhythembox. well that will do too12:48
herman_ok thnx. now its time for lunch :) bbl :)12:49
mjrof course, this is Real Soon Now stuff anyway, the current situation _is_ rather unfortunate12:50
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dreamcatcheranyone got powernowd working on powerpc?12:54
neilldoes PPC even support that kind of power management?12:55
dreamcatcheryes it does12:55
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jordiI don't get it running on my athlon XP :)12:55
dreamcatcherits even compiled in by default12:55
dreamcatcherbut its using the 2.4 api it seems12:55
jordipowernow-k8 says my chip revision isn't supported or something.12:55
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mjg59neill: Sorry, was out last night. speedstep-smi01:04
neilltried that, 'no such device'01:04
neillfiddled with various options and didn't manage to get it to work01:05
mjg59The old speedstep01:05
mjg59stuff is mostly undocumented01:05
Jennocan someone help a noob out?01:05
neillbest thing I could find were suggestions to dig around in the vendor's driver for registry values01:05
mjg59The other thing to check is that you really do have speedstep01:05
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neillmjg59: yes I do, If I turn set it to slow in windows then reboot it shows cpu speed as 550 and if I turn it to fast it shows it as 70001:06
mjg59Several laptops around that era still just dropped the clock rate01:06
netmonkmjg59, stand-by works for me now after your extensive help yesterday01:06
mjg59Rather than dropping the voltage as well01:06
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mjg59netmonk: Rock01:06
neillhmm. well I use the intel speed step applet thing ..01:06
neilland it does claim to have speed step.01:06
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neillmjg59: what is the url for the instructions for PM testing btw?01:07
neillI coudln't find it last night01:07
mjg59neill: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting01:07
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gorlisthow do i connect to the internet with ubuntu?01:09
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netmonkmjg59, now I close the lid and it goes to stand by, I open it and it comes back after Ctrl+Alt+F1 and Ctrl+Alt+F7. If the wireless pcmcia is on though it hangs. Any ideas how I can turn it off before stand-by and then turn it on after stand-by?01:09
neillmjg59: also any ideas how to fix the ntpdate script with wireless pcmcia :)01:13
neillor more to the point, who do I point this problem out to01:13
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neilland is it a proper problem (ntpdate is run before pcmcia cards are brought up)01:13
gorlistcan i use kde on ubuntu?01:14
mercurus_gorlist, yes. Enable universe, apt-get install kde01:14
mercurus_neill, you can report it as a bug to bugzilla01:15
mercurus_and you can fix it by altering the bootscripts in /etc/rc#.d01:15
neillthis fixed it for me.01:15
gorlistwhat's universe?01:15
mercurus_gorlist, you need to read the FAQs ...01:15
mercurus_it contains all the not-quite supported software that people have ported to Ubuntu01:16
mercurus_while not part of the core distribution, it usually works with some tweaking01:17
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gorlistcan you help me connect to the internet with ubuntu?01:19
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mercurus_gorlist, what part of connecting to the internet is an issue ?01:19
gorlistlol all of it01:20
gorlisti don't know how to connect to it01:20
gorlistand i don't find the app that lets you connect...01:20
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mercurus_gorlist: dial-up, ethernet to a local gateway, DSL, cable, ISDN ?01:22
nanotechhow do i use nautilis to burn an iso image?01:22
mjg59netmonk: Add a cardctl eject in the prepare.sh script and a cardctl insert in the resume.sh script01:22
gorlistdial up01:22
seek187nanotech, right click on it and click write to disk :)01:22
gorlisteh i mean pstn01:22
nanotechty, seek01:22
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Jennocan someone tell me where i can find a list of available packages... and instructions on how to install them?01:24
Kamiondaniels: not to mention that perl spits out a stupid number of locale errors since the locale isn't generated ...01:24
Kamiondaniels: does the same happen in a regular en_AU.UTF-8 install, though?01:24
bob2Jenno: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto01:25
bob2Jenno: but ubuntu contains > 10 000 packages01:25
nanotechis it possible to "export" firefox's bookmarks?01:25
Jennoty bob01:26
danielsKamion: unsure, sorry01:26
danielsKamion: not too keen to reinstall my laptop :)01:26
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Kamiondaniels: I'll give it a shot next time01:26
danielsKamion: cheers dude01:26
mercurus_nanotech, Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks -> File -> Export :)01:26
danielsKamion: appears to be largely mitigated by generating the locale01:27
Kamiondaniels: #3693?01:27
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Kamioninteresting, same bug but totally different circumstances01:27
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netmonkmjg59, does it matter if it's in the begining or the end of the fiels?01:30
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netmonkmjg59, it works great now! Thanks again!!01:37
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mojo_I have some prob with 'sed'01:40
mojo_new 'sed' deb package has some bugs, cant install01:41
jordimojo_: incoming.debian.org01:41
sid77already signaled on bugzilla01:41
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cardadorwhat is sed? i have some problems with it also01:43
stratuscardador, it'll be fixed soon.01:44
stratuscardador, full information at bugzilla.ubuntu.com/377101:44
cardadorstratus: ok thanks01:44
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fissyi unfortunately just broke the sudoers file, which means i can't sudo nano to correct it01:49
fissywhat should i do?01:49
Kamionfissy: boot in recovery mode01:51
Kamionfissy: in future, use 'EDITOR=nano visudo', which will prevent you breaking it01:51
Treenakshey, I just saw "    *01:51
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fissywhat line would i put in there to make is so a user didn't have to give his password when using sudo?01:52
Treenakshey, I just saw "UPDATE: A lower rate has been negotiated for conference attendees. When making a reservation, mention that you are attending the Canonical Conference and you will be eligible for a rate of 57 + 7% VAT for a double (twin) room." on the wiki.. but I got that rate without mentioning the conference...01:52
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krism_fissy : "NOPASSWD:"01:52
krism_krism   ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL01:52
fissyi put NOPASSWD: ALL01:52
fissyhow do i get into recovery mode? press something when its does its count down after post?01:53
krism_recovery mode?01:54
krism_do you mean single user runlevel?01:54
fissy<Kamion> fissy: boot in recovery mode01:54
fissyi'd guess so01:54
fissyahh he said that before you entered01:54
Kamionthere's an option on the grub menu entitled "recovery mode"01:54
fissywill try that...01:54
Kamionpress escape to get to the grub menu, if you don't see it normally01:54
krism_oh :) not terribly familiar with ubuntus menu :)01:54
krism_Kamion : i assume it boots into runlevel 1?01:55
gorlisthow do you connect to the internet with ubuntu??01:55
krism_gorlist : via what means? (dialup, ethernet, etc)01:55
Kamionkrism_: yes, it adds the 'single' option and removes 'quiet splash'01:56
krism_Kamion : ah :) tx01:56
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theineanybody upgraded Hoary today? I have a problem with the sed package...01:57
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WitchToTo : and your little dog, too.01:57
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krism_gorlist : ...01:58
Kamiontheine: yes, known, will be fixed soon by sync from Debian02:00
theineAlright, thanks02:00
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mojo_xchat is updated!02:01
mojo_yahoo! I love new xchat!02:01
mojo_Kamion: when the nvidia-kernel 6.029 update to universe?02:02
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mojo_seb128: have u up the newest gnome-icons (sync from Debian)?02:04
Adrenali know this is offtopic, but in thunderbird, i put in the wrong password, but i set it to save, how do i change the password?02:04
seb128mojo_: ?02:04
fabbionemojo_: when i will have the time to update the package02:04
hbosAdrenal, it should ask for password if its denied02:04
Adrenalnever mind02:04
fabbionethere have been rumors that the new nvidia drivers are not stable02:04
seb128there is no package to update afaik02:04
fabbioneso kinda pointless to update them now02:04
mojo_fabbione: i c, thx for the info02:05
seb128mojo_: which gnome-icons ?02:05
mojo_seb128: incoming.debian.com, there is new gnome-icons packages up on 17 Nov02:05
seb128gnome-icon-theme (2.8.0-0ubuntu1) warty; urgency=low02:05
seb128Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:21:12 +020002:05
seb128we have it for 2 months02:06
seb128gnome-icon-theme (2.9.1-0ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low02:06
seb128Mon,  1 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +010002:06
mojo_seb128: oh oh, I c02:06
danielsnvidia in instability shock :P02:06
seb128and we have this one for 2 weeks02:06
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seb128so I don't get the questions02:06
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mojo_seb128: nothing, dun bother, sorry I was confused02:07
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seb128mojo_: np02:07
mojo_seb128: have u seen the Clock icon in Applet Menu? It's missing, not sure it's a bug or not02:07
seb128that's a gnome-panel 2.9.1 bug02:08
seb128will be fixed in 2.9.202:08
mojo_seb128: ok, has any submitted bug?02:08
seb128IIRC yes02:08
seb128and the bug is already fixed in the CVS02:08
mojo_seb128: k, then I dun have to submit bug, thx man02:08
jimmingsquelqu'un pourrait me dire comment lancer mldonkey sur ubuntu, svp ?02:09
mojo_seb128: can we pack the Industrial Steel theme and use it for Hoary? I can debianized the Industrial Version from Novell Linux Dekstop 902:09
seb128jimmings: #ubuntu-fr pour parler franais02:10
Kamionmojo_: we receive automatic notifications when we have new versions to merge from Debian; you don't need to tell us about them02:10
seb128mojo_: ping jdub about this02:11
mojo_seb128: ok I will02:11
mojo_Kamion: have u ever thought about using tweak version of gnome-menu from Novell? Adding a tile img at right handside of main menu02:11
Kamionmojo_: I am not a desktop person.02:13
Kamion(clue: don't hassle individual developers when you don't know what they do)02:13
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mojo_Kamion: can u give me a list of developers, I want to know what they're working on02:14
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Kamionmojo_: you have a history of hassling people up to now, I don't want to encourage that; our developers need to have space to work02:14
Kamionwe have bug tracking systems and mailing lists to organise what our developers spend time on02:15
mojo_Kamion: oh ...ok...sorri if I were a bit annoying, it's just that I want to help but ..abit too childlish way02:16
jimmingsdoes anybody know how to run mldonkey, please02:17
Kamionmojo_: the usual channels (bugzilla, mailing lists) aren't there to make your life awkward, honest :-)02:17
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mojo_Kamion: when is the fixed 'sed' up? B/c I just try to remove 'sed' and all of its dep, now my system is going to break anytime if I restart the box02:20
Treenaksmojo_: soon.02:21
Treenaksmojo_: < 24 hours, probably.02:21
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KamionI don't know what time the cron job runs02:21
Kamionbut it won't be until at least Debian's cron.daily fires which is in six or seven hours or so02:21
mojo_Kamion: i c02:21
Kamiondon't try to remove sed :)02:21
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mojo_Kamion: I did, now I just can't restart, can u help me out by pre-sending me the 'sed' so I can reinstall all important packages?02:22
Kamionno, grab it from archive.ubuntu.com02:23
Tsjoklatmojo_ the sed you want is on your ubuntu cd02:23
Tsjoklatthe installation02:23
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Kamion(this is why we only recommend hoary to experienced users of Debian-style systems, by the way ...)02:23
mojo_Tsjoklat: no man, new sed, not old one!02:23
Tsjoklatit is on your installation cd02:23
Tsjoklatwhen you installed ubu02:24
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Kamionold sed should work well enough to recover02:24
magikwhat do i need to change to make apt use 'testing' software instead of the old 'stable' stuff? i want to upgrade some software to the newest version :\02:24
TreenaksKamion: that's why I tell people who ask 'how do I install hoary' that if they can't figure that out themselves, they probably shouldn't be using it.02:24
mojo_Tsjoklat: arhhgg, I know man,!02:24
TreenaksKamion: that sounds like a reasonable compromise to me02:24
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kensaidoes ubuntu auto configure wifi in a laptop?02:24
Kamionkensai: yes, should do02:25
Treenakskensai: you might have to enter your WEP key, but the rest shuold work automagically02:25
Tsjoklatwell a million thanks to Treenaks for helping me earlier :)02:25
kensaiThanks, I want to know because I want to switch a friend of mine to ubuntu02:25
Jennohow do i add shortcuts to the menu in gnome?02:26
optikahi all, my CD-ROM seems to have managed to make itself not hotpluggable in hal's eyes. I don't know what I changed that could've caused that, and I don't know how to change it back.02:26
mojo_Tsjoklat: man, I just have a new packages for Industrial Steel, go here and grab it, http://hypatia.ca/files/ PS: inlc Ximian XMMS skin!02:26
optikaif I use hal-set-property, it only sticks for the current session, not across reboots. Does anyone have any suggestions?02:26
Tsjoklatmojo great! thanks (woman btw)02:26
mojo_when will Ubuntu Team release cdimage test?02:26
Kamionmojo_: I already have02:27
danielsmojo_: there's already been one released02:27
mojo_deniels: daily one?02:27
Tsjoklatit feels good to have removed evolution02:27
mojo_deniels: I found it array-1, thx02:28
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Kamiondaily cdimages are for loonies and developers02:28
Kamionthe distinction between the two is left as an exercise for the reader :-)02:28
danielsKamion: there is a very large intersection of those two sets02:28
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Jennohow do i add shortcuts to the menu in gnome?02:32
GmailJenno: applications:/// in your file maniger02:33
Jennoit won't seem to add the shortcut02:33
nimcis it possible to force programs to start maximized ?02:33
Treenaksnimc: some programs remember..02:33
nimcTreenaks, firefox does... most others don't... is it possible to force the launcher someone to tell it to start maximized ? or another solution ?02:34
umarmungnimc, and for the apps that dont remember use devilspie02:34
Treenaksumarmung: devilspie?02:35
Treenakswhat's that?02:35
jimmingsmldonkey is installed but i can't see it. how can i run it? please need help02:35
fissyKamion and krism_, many thanks for all the help02:35
Treenaksjimmings: just run it from the command line..02:35
umarmungTreenaks, it's a small app that perfoms actions on apps that match your criteria, e.g. max all apps called xchat02:36
umarmungTreenaks, very handy02:36
Treenaksumarmung: intuitive name, too02:36
jimmingswhat to type ?02:36
GmailJenno: do you have famd running?02:37
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Treenaksjimmings: well, you said the program name.. just type it02:37
Gmailit will only update if fam is running and if it isn't it woundn't in any distro02:37
jimmingsi typed mldonkey but nothing works02:37
Treenaksjimmings: and if you type it on the command line?02:38
Treenaksjimmings: in a terminal?02:38
Jennowhat's famnd?02:38
jimmingsdo i have to go to its directory ?02:39
GmailJenno: fam02:39
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kensaihow do you guys rate the ubuntu livecd? Perfect, Even, Bad ?02:41
kensaiIs thats I am using a Live cd at university right now and maybe I'll switch to ubuntu livecd02:41
JennoGmail: What's fam?02:41
GmailJenno: apt-cache show fam02:42
GmailJenno: and if you are using hoary then it gamin you want its way better02:43
JennoGmail: In language an idiot understands?02:43
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Gmailcenturion: are you a trubble maker02:45
Casparnvm allready been helpt on the other chanel02:45
centurionGmail: Why am I a troublemaker?02:46
danielsGmail: easy.02:46
centurionI just woke up dude02:46
nimcumarmung, i didn't find an example for ~/.devilspie.xml  - how to use devilspie ?02:46
genI'm a troublemaker02:47
umarmungnimc, look in /usr/share/doc/devilspie02:47
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|Spi|hi there02:48
genthere hi02:48
nimcumarmung, thanks02:48
JennoAnywho, the problem i have is that after i create a launcher... nothing appears in the internet dir02:48
neillHi, I'm having some problems with mail.02:49
neillI get an error message : Nov 17 13:42:20 fresco postfix/local[4075] : fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory02:49
|Spi|i have a problem ... if i try to mount my cdrom (or windows partitions) i get an error that only root can do that ... the user who tries this is included in the cdrom users grp and is mentioned in /etc/fstab02:49
neillthat file does exist, but seems to be binary data.....02:49
Jennoeg i put in thunderbird for the name and /usr/local/share/thunderbird/thunderbird and click okay but then nothing happens02:49
|Spi|and it is the default user created during the ubuntu installation02:50
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Gmailcenturion: your username02:53
GmailJenno: what02:54
Tsjoklatgmail: you mean his id02:54
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Caspartreenaks hurry up :P02:54
GmailTsjoklat: its called his username02:54
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TsjoklatGmail: okay02:55
GmailJenno: haory  or warty?02:55
Tsjoklattesty testy02:55
danielsGmail: it's irrelevant, juts leave it02:56
neillno one knows about mail aliases then?02:56
Gmaildaniels: it is it wound mean if his using fam or gamin02:56
neillI'm trying to get root's e-mail to go elsewhere....02:56
Gmailneill: use base-config02:56
Kamionno, don't use base-config02:57
Kamionjust edit /etc/aliases02:57
GmailJenno: sudo apt-get update02:57
GmailJenno: sudo apt-get upgrade02:57
neillKamion: I've tried that and have added root: foo@bar.com02:57
GmailJenno: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base02:57
neilland the mail doesn't seem to go there02:57
GmailJenno: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop02:57
GmailJenno: sudo famd02:57
neillthe /var/log/mail.log file suggests local delivery is attempted02:57
neill(and works, but mutt/mail don't seem to think root has mail)02:57
danielsGmail: i'm talking about the centurion thing02:57
Kamionneill: may need to run 'newaliases'02:58
|Spi|so noone knows how i can mount a cdrom as normal user?02:58
neillKamion: bingo. thanks.02:59
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JennoGmail: ok, done03:00
GmailJenno: it MUST work03:00
Gmailif not you stuff it up03:00
Jennohow can i be stuffing it up?03:02
Jennoall there is to it is doing create launcher... putting in Thunderbird for the name and /usr/local/share/thunderbird/thunderbird for the command03:02
danielsGmail: please be more polite.03:02
Jennoi click ok, then nothing happens03:02
GmailJenno: all links are in /usr/bin03:03
seek187Jenno, for the command all you need to do is put thunderbird03:04
Gmailthe should be pointing to /usr/bin/thunderbird03:04
Gmailseek187: not if his making a sort cut03:04
seek187hmm I do it all the time03:04
Gmailthe should be pointing to /usr/bin/thunderbird <<< is correct03:04
Gmailseek187: not when your doing ln03:05
seek187oh I see I thought he was doing something else :/03:05
hbosWhat is a recommende format/program to write documentation for end users?03:05
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Gmailseek187: and gnome happens to use ln to make its sort cuts03:06
seek187I just right click in the menu and add entry03:07
Kamionwe call them "symbolic links" or "symlinks" in Unix; shortcuts are from Windows and are slightly different03:07
jindhbos, I think you want to take a look at the linux documentation project and see what formats they use there. I think they have tools to write a manual one time - and port it to multiple formats in a easy way03:07
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Jennoi don't understand03:08
Jennothere's nothing in /usr/bin/ called thunderbird03:08
optikasorry to repeat a question ... my CD-ROM seems to have managed to make itself not hotpluggable in hal's eyes. I don't know what I changed that could've caused that, and I don't know how to change it back.03:08
optikaif I use hal-set-property, it only sticks for the current session, not across reboots. Does anyone have any suggestions?03:08
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optikaJenno: "which thunderbird" at a command prompt will tell you where it is running it from03:09
Tsjoklatdaniels, do you know anything about the trash applet bug?03:09
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KamionJenno: it's mozilla-thunderbird03:09
seb128Tsjoklat: which bug ?03:10
Tsjoklatthe one you filed seb03:10
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seb128Tsjoklat: I've not filed any bug afaik03:10
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TsjoklatI read it on the bugzilla seb12803:11
seb128Kamion: me too :)03:11
seb128Tsjoklat: bug number ?03:11
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JennoI think i've done something wrong then... the only dir with anything related to thunderbird is the one that i copied the thunderbird dir 203:12
Jenno*to rather than 203:12
seek187Jenno, then you should link it to /usr/bin so its in your path03:13
Jennohow do i do that?03:13
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Gmailhmm any gui programs from helping of making a network not so n00bish like smoothwall03:13
Tsjoklatseb128 it's not there anymore :{03:13
seb128Tsjoklat: it was the drag&drop not working in hoary ?03:14
GmailJenno: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird03:14
Tsjoklatseb128 yes03:14
Gmaildon't install the mozilla package or other unoffical ones03:14
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lemsx1Gmail, do you mean: firestarter ?03:14
seb128Tsjoklat: this was a gtk+ bug and it's fixed for some days with gtk+2.5.503:14
Tsjoklatseb128: you told me it still has problems with gdm... is that correct?03:15
seb128this has been fixed and gtk+2.5.5 has been uploaded since then03:15
Tsjoklatseb128: it still doesn't work for me... I thought it was related to gdm and was unsolveble?03:16
Gmaillemsx1: a network03:16
Gmailnot a firewall03:16
seb128Tsjoklat: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-003:16
Tsjoklatseb128 it is installed03:16
lemsx1Gmail, ummm, i'm not sure what you want to do... but the smoothwall sounded like a firewall...03:16
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Tsjoklatseb128 when I try to drag it into the trash I get black lines on my screen like in a box sort of thing and no worky03:17
seb128Tsjoklat: sure it is, what is the version03:17
Gmaillemsx1: smoothwall is a crapy distro that is like winbloat but is a help for setting up a network03:17
Jennoah! there we go03:17
Jennonow it worked03:18
JennoThanks a lot for the help everyone03:18
lemsx1Gmail, what do you mean by "setup a network" setup windows shares? setup nfs shares?03:18
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Gmailno i don't have any winbloat computers thank G-d03:18
seb128Tsjoklat: ok, so the drag&drop bug is fixed, perhaps you have an another one but no bug for this in bugzilla for the moment03:18
lemsx1Gmail, in Gnome there is a "Networking" app under system tools that you can use to quickly setup your network (part of gnome-system-tools)03:18
Tsjoklatseb128 so nothing I can do? it is suppose to work right03:19
Gmailyes but its slow in opening03:19
Gmailvery slow03:19
TsjoklatI don't have the trash applet installed... it got removed.. is that correct?03:19
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lemsx1Gmail, what hardware are you using?03:20
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Gmaillemsx1: i don't have any yet for a network03:20
seb128Tsjoklat: what does it do exactly ? does it happen all the time or just today ?03:21
seb128Tsjoklat: yes, it's a part of gnome-applets03:21
Tsjoklatseb128 it won't go in the trash.... it just stays put where ever it is... and after a while I have flying files on my dt03:22
Tsjoklatfrom the trash applet to the place the file is that I want to delete03:22
seb128have you restarted the GNOME session since you've updated gtk+ ?03:22
Tsjoklatrebooted you name it03:22
seb128kilall gnome-panel is enough03:22
seb128killall gnome-panel even03:22
seb128could you try this ?03:23
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Tsjoklatthe killall gnome-panel?03:23
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Tsjoklatseb128 well it seems it is now putting it in the trash but the file still stick until I hit reload03:24
Tsjoklatlike it doesn't refresh03:25
TsjoklatI still have the funky two lines on the side of my dt but I can live with that03:25
TreenaksTsjoklat: did you remove fam and portmap?03:25
TreenaksTsjoklat: and did you install gamin?03:25
TreenaksTsjoklat: and re-logged in03:25
Tsjoklatwasn't sure if I should do it03:25
Tsjoklattree I installed gamin03:25
TreenaksTsjoklat: ok, then remove fam :)03:25
TreenaksTsjoklat: (like the hoaryhowto on the site says..)03:25
TsjoklatI figured fam would be removed when installing gamin03:26
TsjoklatI know that...03:26
Tsjoklatbut I got chicken$hit03:26
TsjoklatI read it!03:26
TsjoklatI told you... had so many woes with hoary already... I froze03:26
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Tsjoklatseb128: good idea to remove fam?03:26
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seb128Tsjoklat: yes03:28
Tsjoklatjust fam or also libfam?03:28
Tsjoklatand what about the portmap Tree mentioned?03:28
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seb128if you have gamin you have libgamin0 and no libfam afaik03:29
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TsjoklatI have libfamOc10203:29
Tsjoklatthat one goes too?03:29
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seb128Package: libgamin003:30
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seb128Conflicts: libfam0c10203:30
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seb128so you don't have gamin installed03:30
Tsjoklatand what about portmap?03:30
seb128don't bother with taht03:30
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seb128just 'apt-get install gamin'03:30
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TsjoklatI do have gamin03:30
seb128no you don't03:31
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seb128you can't have gamin and libfam0c102 in the same time03:31
Tsjoklatii  gamin          0.0.17-1ubuntu File and directory monitoring system03:31
the_onecan someone direct me to a good gnome downloader, something similar to windows' flashget?03:31
Tsjoklatdo too03:31
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Tsjoklatit says it right there03:31
TsjoklatI told you.. I thought gamin would remove fam but it didn't03:31
seb128it does03:31
seb128not fam03:31
seb128but libfam0c10203:31
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Treenaksseb128: it breaks if you have famd running and gamin installed03:32
Tsjoklatwell I got both gamin and libfam installed03:32
maz1977why isn't my .bash_profile loaded at startup?03:32
seb128Tsjoklat: dpkg -l gamin libfam0c10203:32
seb128Treenaks: what breaks ?03:32
Tsjoklatii  gamin          0.0.17-1ubuntu File and directory monitoring system03:32
Tsjoklatpn  libfam0c102    <none>         (no description available)03:32
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seb128Tsjoklat: that's what I was saying, libfam is not installed03:33
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Tsjoklatfunky... synaptic says I dod03:33
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lemsx1maz1977, loaded by who? Gnome? the terminal?03:33
Tsjoklatso remove fam then do apt-get install gamin?03:33
seb128gamin is already installed03:34
maz1977lemsx1: by no one! No by the terminal, no by gnome... :(03:34
Tsjoklatok fam is toast then03:34
lemsx1maz1977, gnome-terminal has an option to start your shell as a login shell. use that03:35
lemsx1maz1977, Gnome won't load your .bash_profile no more... that's history03:35
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seb128you can use ~/.bashrc03:35
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TsjoklatI probably need to log back in03:36
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gelflingheya people, does anyone here know about mounting ntsf partitions changing directory permissions and how to fix it so normal users car read?03:36
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maz1977lemsx1: ok, I'll use bashrc03:37
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shastryhi all03:37
gelflinghello :)03:37
shastryis the free cds for real ?03:37
lemsx1gelfling, mount -o uid=`uid`,gid=100 ...03:37
maz1977gelfling: You can put guid=xxx to /etc/fstab03:38
shastryoh ok its real03:38
lemsx1gelfling, sorry, not: `uid` but `id -u` :-)03:38
gelflingok I'll poke at fstab for a bit, I was tryin to fix it with mkdir, chmod, and mount options03:39
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maz1977gelfling: //   /opt/win        smbfs   noauto,uid=502,gid=503 0 003:40
shastryany idea as to how many days it will take to ship cds to India ?03:40
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gelflingmaz1977: whats with the ip?03:41
Tsjoklatbrb hope this works03:41
maz1977gefling: just copied from my fstab...03:41
gelflingoh, der ima tool, network share03:41
gelflingthanks for the pointers guys!03:42
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Tsjoklatseb128 thank you, it works03:44
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TsjoklatTreenaks that is twice you helped me today bedankt03:44
TreenaksTsjoklat: np :)03:45
hbosconfigure: error:  Could not find the following X libraries:  -lXt03:45
hboswhat could that be?03:45
Treenakshbos: what are you trying to compile?03:46
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Treenakshbos: and why didn't you use the package :P03:46
hbosTreenaks, nvu (www.nvu.com03:46
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Tsjoklatthat it can not find the following X libraries hbos :P03:46
hbosTreenaks, no package avail ;)03:46
Treenakshbos: apt-get install xlibs-dev03:46
hbosTreenaks, i wanna try nvu and check if its something worthwhile. its not very widespread03:46
topylihbos: there's a binary, you don't have to compile nvu03:46
hbostopyli, i can't find it in universe03:47
topylihbos: on the nvu site :)03:47
Treenakshbos: and remember that Dutch people don't like the name 'nvu' generally03:47
hbosTreenaks, i dont care :P03:47
Tsjoklattraitor :P03:47
hbosTreenaks, thats before my time03:48
Tsjoklathe is saying we are ancient Treenaks03:48
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hbostopyli, i thought they only had lindows/redhat binaries03:49
hbostopyli, besides i already went trough so many dependencies that i'm not gonna give up now ;)03:50
topylihbos: hehe, as you wish. but the "linspire/debian" binary Just Works :)03:50
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hbostopyli, ok :) thnx anyway :)03:51
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Tsjoklatzenwhen :)03:54
zenwhenhey there03:54
zenwhenArg he changed the colors of the forums again.03:54
Tsjoklatyeah sunglasses03:54
gelflingok now im confused, it worked but I dont know why. I thought before it was a permissions thing that was stopping normal users from seeing the files03:54
Tsjoklatquickly went back to da brown03:54
Treenaksgelfling: seeing vs opening03:55
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gelflingnow that i'm using the same options i set for my vfat i can03:55
gelflingcool so r Vs x yeah?03:55
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gelflingbut when I mount it and do ls -l /mnt it has the same flags as before when it didn't work. Like when mount was changing the permissions03:57
plovs_workanybody got webcal and shared tasks working in evolution03:57
Tsjoklat<--- evolution recovering victim03:57
TreenaksTsjoklat: balsajunkie :P03:57
plovs_workTsjoklat, i want to share tasklists03:58
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TsjoklatTsjoklat: happy bunny again03:58
bob2plovs_work: is that even supported?03:58
drakonimgood morning (EST) fellow ubuntu-ers :)    is any one aware of the new sed package for hoary being broken?03:58
Tsjoklatplovs_work: I would help if I could but evo wouldn't even start up for me... so I wouldn't know anything about tasklists sharing03:58
Tsjoklatdrakonim install the older version03:59
plovs_workbob2, i hope so, you can ad da tasklist that is shared anyway03:59
drakonimTsjoklat, was willing to try and work out fixing the new one :-D03:59
Tsjoklatdrakonim: hope you can :)03:59
drakonimNo `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'. \ install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up04:00
drakonimI have added a line in dir for sed to make it look like a working one... but no luck.04:00
Kamiondrakonim: known, been reported lots04:00
sid77drakonim, are working on it04:00
drakonimahh... that is what I needed to hear04:01
drakonimthank you everyone!04:01
sid77lol, today sed bug is the main topic04:01
drakonimi shall take Tsjoklat's advice and dig up an older package for it... its holding up my dist-upgrade lol04:01
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wood1How do I save my GRUB Loader on a Floppy Disk just in case other Boot Loader overwrites it ?04:02
Elwoodgrub-install /dev/fd0 ?04:03
flmindlessi have a prob while lanching Unreal tournament 200404:03
flmindlessthis it says04:03
flmindlessXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".04:04
flmindlessWARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!04:04
flmindlesssomone knows?04:05
bob2you don't have dri enabled?04:06
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wood1grub-install /dev/fd0 gives the Error: /dev/fd0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive04:07
drakonimthanks for the help as always, this distribution, its developers, and its community rock!04:07
drakonimpeace out all.04:07
flmindlessbut how do i enable it bob2?04:07
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bob2flmindless: changing your nick is annoying04:08
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Tsjoklatbye drakonim04:08
flmindlessneed to change it back?04:08
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bob2it doesn't matter, just remember for future reference04:09
flmindlessill change it bacl04:09
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wood1Anyone, please tell me How do I install my GRUB Loader in a Floppy disk ?04:09
bob2did you file the bug like that wiki page told you?04:09
casparbut bob204:10
casparhow do i activate it04:10
bob2did you file the bug?04:10
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casparXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".04:11
casparWARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!04:11
casparit says04:11
bob2yes, you already pasted that04:11
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bob2did you file the bug earlier?04:11
Telepmy Ubuntu cds arrived \o/04:11
casparfirst time i use it04:11
topyliTelep: you'll have to reinstall now ;)04:11
gnurtTelep, where are you from?04:12
wood1By the way, does anybody here knows if the Ubuntu CD can be used as a Rescure Disc ?04:12
bob2caspar: so you didn't file the bug?04:12
gnurtTelep, /me in hope :)04:12
bob2wood1: the install cd?  it only has busybox on it04:12
casparbob2 donno waht you mean04:12
Teleptopyli: well I'm actually running Hoary at the moment, but I still might reinstall - a stable distro might not be a bad idea...04:13
bob2caspar: I gave you a url earlier.  did you follow the instructions in it or not?04:13
Kamionwood1: yes; run through the user interface up to the beginning of the partitioning step, then you'll have all the modules and stuff that you need to mount a partition and fiddle about with it04:13
topyliTelep: heh, i've downgraded too :)04:13
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lil_anthonyquestion i get this exact error but i'm not sure how to change the mplayer preference drivers. i went to /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and change ao=alsa, to ao=esd (for gnome) but it doesn't work here is the error i get http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24720604:14
casparwhat was the link04:14
casparseem to have lost it04:14
bob2caspar: so you didn't follow them earlier?04:14
wood1There has to be a way to keep out of trouble in case our GRUB Loader gets corrupted in Ubuntu ?04:14
casparwhere whit04:14
casparthis is another computer where i am talking about04:15
Teleptopyli: yeah, I'm not really having too many problems, but I should start writing my masters thesis soon...04:15
bob2wood1: if it's corrupted, boot from cd and restore it04:15
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wood1Suppose my GRUB Loader is being overwritten by my NT Loader, then how do I get my GRUB Loader back ?04:15
Tibozhey all04:15
tom__is there any way to have ubuntu create boot.log?04:15
Tibozdo you have problem between gnome apps and fam actually ?04:15
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wood1Well You get the same Install Screen from the CD. Back to step 104:16
topyliTelep: "hoary ate my thesis!" ;)04:16
bob2wood1: can't you just chroot into ubunt and rerun grub-install or whatever?04:16
Tibozbecause all gnome apps are trying to connect to fam and don't manage to do it04:17
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Tibozand it slows much my computer04:17
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Tsjoklatnight all have a good one04:18
Teleptopyli: heh :)04:18
wood1Well I don't think chroot works04:21
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wood1By the way, how do I use the "at" command to shutdown my PC at 5 PM today ?04:23
wood1at 5 PM today > halt04:24
wood1Is that correct ?04:24
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lil_anthonybob2: do you have an idea of how to change the mplayer preference audio driver to arts or esd ? it says on the forum to change it to fix the error i'm having but i don't know how or where :(04:28
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janhuibis there a Gnome app in warty for creating audio CD's from mp3's04:32
wood1I have Hoary on my System and I am having problems using the: apt-get upgrade04:35
hboswood1, what kind of problems?04:35
neillsed problems?04:36
wood1Yes sed problems04:36
wood1That's right, Bingo !!!04:36
neillThere's a bug in sed currently.04:36
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neillI'm not quite sure what the correct course of action is.04:36
neillsomeone will be along in a minute with a fix :)04:36
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wood1Well I really need to get this "sed" problem while doing: apt-get upgrade04:37
wood1So any solutions ?04:39
tom__does anyone know how i would capture the precise display of messages during init?04:39
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PorscheBoyanyone knows how to upgrade the kernel in debian?04:39
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topylii just install a newer package :)04:40
PorscheBoyno one knows?04:41
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wood1There seems to be a problem while updating Hoary04:42
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wood1Anyone who has a fix to this problem04:42
wood1It's related to some "sed" package or somthing04:43
wood1Anyone, please help04:44
neillthe sed package apparently has a critical bug against it suggesting that it seg faults04:44
neillYou'll need to get a replacement sed.04:44
PorscheBoywood1, u know alot about debian?04:44
topyliPorscheBoy: well if you want to compile a kernel, and don't want to read the guide to do it the Debian Way, you can do it just like you always do04:44
wood1So how do I use: apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade04:45
wood1Because this "sed" does not let my system do the update and upgrade ?04:45
wood1Well PorcheBoy, I don't really know much about Debain04:46
topyliwood1: i guess hoary is just broken at the moment. you have to upgrade when it's in a more consistent state04:46
wood1Everything was working fine a few hours ago, the problem occurred after I did: apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade04:47
wood1In Hoary04:47
mercurus_hmm ... I'm getting > 4000 fps with glxgears ... is that likely to be accurate ?04:48
Despairwood1: apt-get -s upgrade, and then `apt-get install foo` where foo is the list of the individual packages other than sed. that'll let you get the non-broken updates.04:48
topyliwood1: someone probably uploaded a new sed package but the dependencies aren't there. or vice versa :)04:48
Despairtopyli: no, the package itself is mangled.04:48
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topyliah. so perhaps you could just lock sed to its current version?04:49
DespairNo `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.04:49
Despairinstall-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up04:49
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Despairtopyli: Nah, just wait for it to be fixed, it's unlikely it'll take long.04:50
AwayDipuse ssed instead of sed04:50
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wood1Well, Despair, thanks alot for the Tip04:51
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topyliAwayDip: heh, never heard of the "super sed" before :)04:52
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topylihey, in-place editing! hmm04:53
bogubuHello, newbie to ubuntu here....anyone help with mounting other Linux partitions?04:53
topylibogubu: ask away. what's the matter?04:53
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topylibogubu: mount -t <fs-type> <partition> <mount-point> basically04:55
bogubuOK, I am triple booting (xp/xandros/ubuntu).  Have just installed ubuntu & want to get at my /home for xandros, my main OS,  It's a matter of editing /etc/fstab I know, but what do I put in?04:55
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topylibogubu: here's what i have for my backup disk: /dev/hdb1       /mnt            ext3    noauto,user     0       004:56
plaidinumis anyone here?04:57
topylibogubu: that won't mount at boot04:57
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bogubunow I could really do with boot mounting04:58
lemsx1plaidinum, you bet04:58
plaidinumcan i ask a question here?04:58
topylibogubu: well, forget the noauto and user options, put "defaults" in there04:58
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lemsx1bogubu, make sure that your users have the same UID in ubuntu and xandros04:59
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topylibogubu: i wouldn't mount it as your /home though04:59
bogubuyep, identical UIDs comes next04:59
lemsx1bogubu, in ubuntu you can simply edit /etc/fstab. in xandros... it's more complicated than this :-)04:59
moyoteHow can I stop the esd from starting at boot time. Getting tired of doing killall -9 esd to get my sound card to work. Thanks04:59
bogubuxandros is both good & bad!04:59
plaidinumdoes anyone know how i can make rhymbox play mp3 files?04:59
fissywhere could i find some info on prelinking in ubuntu?04:59
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lemsx1moyote, /etc/esd/esd.conf set the kill ms to a low number05:00
lemsx1moyote or simply set it to not autostart (the default)05:00
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topylibonobo mp3 plaidinum05:00
bonoboplaidinum: for mp3 music see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:00
plaidinumi said rhymbox05:00
moyotelemsx1, ok, thank you05:00
plaidinumi mean rhytmbox05:00
lemsx1fissy, prelinking? install "prelink" debian package and edit /etc/default/prelink05:00
lemsx1plaidinum, rhythmbox already plays mp3's. give it some time to find them or drag and drop them to your window05:01
plaidinumoh i see05:01
topyliplaidinum: no you don't, you mean rhythmbox :)05:01
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moyotelemsx1, I dont have an /etc/esd/ directory.05:01
plaidinumyep thats it :)05:01
topyliplaidinum: you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad05:01
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lemsx1moyote, sorry /etc/esound/esd.conf05:02
z1nOnly_ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:02
z1nOnly_ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats05:02
plaidinumthanks topyli05:02
moyotejust found it thanks again05:02
plaidinumthank you topyli it works!05:02
topyliplaidinum: it's a faq, even i know =)05:03
plaidinumidd I've just read it in the faq05:03
moyotelemsx1, I have auto_spawn in the esd.conf. I don't see anything about autostart or is that it?05:03
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plaidinumanyway thanks05:04
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AwayDipmoyote, esd can't autostart from it's esd.conf05:04
lemsx1moyote, set auto_spawn to 005:05
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moyoteAwayDip, all I want to do is not use esd.05:05
AwayDipit's the only program that reads the esd.conf, so in ordr for it to start and read it, it needs to be started elsewhere... logic05:05
lemsx1AwayDip, libesd will start esd for you if you set auto_spawn to 105:05
wood1By the way, how do I mount Network PCs ?05:05
moyotelemsx1, it's set at that. But if I want to use my onboard audio I have to killall -9 esd and then my sound works.05:05
topylimoyote: turn it off in the gnome sound preferences05:06
lemsx1AwayDip, that's not true... try it and see... it just creates problems in gnome when you set Start Sound Service to yes in Gnome's sound preferences05:06
moyotetopyli, ok, ty05:06
wood1You see, my hard disk space is very very limited, so I just need to mount Network drives.05:06
topylimoyote: you'll still have to kill it by hand this once05:06
lemsx1moyote, that just means that your OSS drivers are loaded and not alsa (or vice versa) the best thing to do for you is to install libalsa0-esd and switch to ALSA completely05:07
moyotelemsx1, ok, thanks a lot. that helps05:07
moyoteAlso, has anyone noticed a delay inopening Computer Desktop Preferences Theme. It takes 3 minutes for the menu to come up? Just wondering05:08
lemsx1AwayDip, from "man esd":        auto_spawn05:08
lemsx1           0 or 1 indicating whether the esd library should automatically05:08
lemsx1           spawn a daemon if one is not running when a sound is played.  This05:08
lemsx1           option is not recommended for Gnome users who have enabled sound05:08
lemsx1           for events in Gnome.05:08
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lemsx1moyote, something is screwed in your settings... perhaps esd? who knows. open it from a terminal and watch .xsession-errors for details05:09
lemsx1moyote, ~/.xsession-errors05:09
wood1Is that possible to mount Network Drives ?05:09
wood1Using the mount command05:09
moyoteThanks all again05:10
lemsx1wood1, of course. what network drive? what protocol? nfs? smb? etc..?05:11
moyotelemsx1, Are you sur that it's called libalsa0-esd?? I can't find that in synaptic?05:12
topylimoyote: maybe it's libesd-alsa0 :)05:13
moyotetolstoy, ty05:14
trey`topyli: it is  :)05:14
topylihehehe i peeked :)05:14
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moyotetopyli, It is. :-)05:15
swoonso hoary is out eh?  does anyone know if hoary for x86_64 will be able to use debian x86_64 packages?05:15
danielsswoon: ... why?05:16
swoondaniels because if it did I would install ubuntu...05:17
danielswhich packages of debian's do you need to install that aren't in hoary?05:17
wood1How do I mount a Network drive in Ubuntu ?05:17
swoondaniels, overnet, mldonkey, and some others05:17
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moyotetopyli, trying to install libesd-alsa0, doesn't It tries to install sed but sed won't upgrade. Any suggestions?05:19
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swoondaniels, do you know if it's possible?05:19
danielsshould be05:19
danielsdepends whether it's 32-bit or pure6405:19
topylimoyote: sed is b0rken in hoary05:19
danielsif the former, you need a chroot05:19
swoondaniels in warty?05:20
lemsx1moyote, libesd-alsa005:20
danielsswoon: yes05:20
swoondaniels other than trying it (dont have ubuntu installed) how can I find out if it's definetly possible?05:21
swoonbtw is hoary official yet?05:21
lemsx1moyote, downgrade sed to whatever you had (hold package)05:21
wood1But upgrading to sed will land you in trouble05:21
wood1If you are using Hoary instead of Warty05:21
moyoteI've been away from Debian for years, how do I downgrade. It is easy using synaptic05:22
wood1That's what happen to me a few minutes ago05:22
moyoteSorry for being an idiot. :-)05:22
lemsx1in synaptic there is an option to Force Version (downgrade/hold)05:22
moyoteok, ty05:22
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Kamionwood1: you really shouldn't be running hoary if you don't know how to deal with this sort of thing; seriously05:23
swoonanyone know if hoary is official? if not when is it due  to be?05:23
counterfeitliversometime april next year05:23
wood1Hoary will be official only in March, 200505:23
swoonoh bummer05:23
Kamionwood1: this is exactly why we've been trying very hard not to provide cookbook instructions for everyone to upgrade to hoary, and why we're not encouraging it for casual users05:23
KamionApril 200505:23
swoonis anyone using it now?05:23
wood1Well I am using it now05:24
counterfeitliverI'm sticking with Warty05:24
cardadorswoon: im using it05:24
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swoondo you two know if you can use debian packages with it?05:24
cardadorswoon: you can use them, but you might break ubuntu05:25
swoonoh thats not gppd05:25
cardadorswoon: it depends on what you want to install05:25
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cardadorswoon: ive some debian packages installed, that i cant find on ubuntu05:25
wood1Hey anybody, please give me a command to mount Windows Network drive05:26
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wood1How do I mount a Windows Network drive in Ubuntu ???05:28
tux_anyone get the cd's yet ?05:28
cardadorwood1: i dont know. why dont you try to find it on google?05:28
topyliswoon: to play safe, get the debian sources and build your packages on ubuntu05:28
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optikawood1: you'll need to install some packages - smbfs and smbmount if I recall. Then you can use smbmount just like any linux distro (man smbmount for more)05:30
swoonis that going to change with hoary?05:30
topyliswoon: what? the debian package thing? no.05:31
wood1I don't have enough space on my hard disk05:31
swoonok thanks folks05:31
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topyliwood1: i know the feeling ;)05:32
topyliwood1: well install the samba clients like optika here tells you, and you can probably browse your windows network with nautilus05:33
optikadoes nautilus not come ready to do samba browsing as is?05:33
optika (I hardly use nautilus, and the samba stuff was amongst the first extra packages I installed, so I wouldn't know)05:34
topylioptika: dunno, maybe. these modern times have me stunned05:34
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cardadorwood1: i started with 5 gb for linux, now i am at 20 and thinking about to increase it to 40, leaving windows only with 5 gb :)05:34
ulisseHi channel, HELP ME PLEASE!05:35
cardadoreventually, it will disappear from my computer05:35
optika /dev/sda2              14G  2.9G   12G  21% /05:35
optikahow on earth do you manage to use 20GB!?05:35
optikaoh well.05:35
topyliulisse: calm down. what's the matter? :)05:35
aitrusulisse: just ask your questions05:35
cardadoroptika: counter strike source, fifa 2005, enemy territory, and some other. if you some that to all the mp3s, you will get to 20 or more05:36
cardadorif you sum*05:36
topylioptika: there's no disk to hold all the pr0n and crappy pop music on the net :)05:37
optikacardador: ah, you see, if I still ran doze I'd have all that sort of cruft on a shared FAT32 partition. *shrug*05:37
cardadoroptika: why is that?05:37
cardadoroptika: why would you use fat32 if you can use reiser?05:38
ulisseOk, sorry for the uppercase...05:38
optikacardador: because I wouldn't be able to read a reiserfs partition in doze.05:38
wood1bye to all05:38
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ulisseI have updated from warty to hoary05:38
ulissejust to surf the wave...05:38
topylii feel your pain05:38
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fissyfairly annoying problem, i managed to convert a hall mate to linux (result) but the screen is slightly offset on his monitor. he loses about half the scroll bar on the right of webpages, and there is about .5 cm of black screen on the left05:38
fissyhe can't move the image on the screen any further to the left, as the on screen controls won't let it go any further05:38
ulissebut now i get an error updating with apt-get05:38
cardadoroptika: whos talking about doze? i play all the games and listen to mp3 on linux05:38
fissyany ideas about how to fix that?05:38
cardadorulisse: we all have that error05:39
mjg59ulisse: sed in Hoary is broken05:39
ulisseok, so what should I do?05:39
topyliulisse: sed is uninstallable? it's today's penance for all you naughty hoary users05:39
counterfeitliverfissy: use the monitors geometery correction buttons05:39
cardadorulisse: wait :)05:39
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fissycounterfeitliver, as i said, we tried, but they won't make it go any further to the left05:39
ulisseok, thank you very much!05:39
ulisseI was afraid i had broken something in the system...05:40
optikacardador: argh, nm. I do partitioning a more unixy way than most people do - ie, my data is completely separate to my base install. If I've used up all the space I have in / or /usr I really am poked. If you guys all keep your pr0n and warez on the same partition as your system, fair enough.05:40
topyliulisse: they'll fix it soon i guess05:40
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optikafissy: might also be worth playing with xvidtune a bit.05:41
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optikafissy: but please note the warning you get as you start it up.05:42
fissyscary :s05:42
fissyits an lcd btw05:42
fissycould any damage be done to that?05:42
optikaoh, I don't know about those toys :)05:42
topylioptika: i don't think many people are /homeless if that's what you mean.05:42
danielboI'm running the Hoary repository, so that I can assist with the Thai translations and try them out.05:43
danielboAn upgrade has a screwed up sed05:43
danielboSetting up sed (4.1.2-2) ...05:43
danielboNo `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.05:43
danielboinstall-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up05:43
danielbodpkg: error processing sed (--configure):05:43
optikatopyli: it is kinda what I mean. I just get confused when people say "I gave 20GB to my linux install, and its all full so I can't install X"05:43
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danielboIs this a known problem... have you heard anyone else?05:43
topylicould somebody put this sed thing in the topic please?05:43
Kamiondanielbo: yes, we know, you should only be running Hoary if you're prepared to deal with this sort of thing05:44
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:optika] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | Xorg in hoary | No paste in the chan -> http://www.pastebin.com/ or #flood | CDs have been shipped blame UPS if you don't have your CDs yet | offtopic -> #ubuntu-offtopic please | Just ask, don't ask to ask | This is an english chan. | sed is broken in hoary
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:Kamion] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | Xorg in hoary | No paste in the chan -> http://www.pastebin.com/ or #flood | CDs have been shipped blame UPS if you don't have your CDs yet | offtopic -> #ubuntu-offtopic please | Just ask, don't ask to ask | This is an english chan. | Yes, sed is broken i
danielboI just wanted to know if it's been reported05:44
danielboI can fix it05:44
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:Kamion] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | Xorg in hoary | No paste in the chan -> http://www.pastebin.com/ or #flood | CDs have been shipped | offtopic -> #ubuntu-offtopic please | Just ask, don't ask to ask | This is an english chan. | Yes, sed is broken in Hoary, it'll be fixed soon
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Faustany body running with a r12805:45
DracosXum, the sed thing has a quick workaround05:45
topyliKamion: change it to "danielbo will fix it soon" :)05:45
DracosXdid someone ask about it? I just got here, sorry05:45
topyliDracosX: everybody's asked about it at least once :)05:46
danielboKamion, -- on my server... I'm already doing translation work... want me to stop so that I can learn how dpkg works, as well?05:46
Kamiontopyli: heh. already fixed in Debian though05:46
Kamion(well, the Debian incoming queue)05:46
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nimcwhat is needed to get video-in (ati) to work ?05:46
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ermoWhat wiki-'product' will be used for the new ubuntu wiki?05:48
Ruffian|JANE|Did they release a major Ubuntu upgrade? cuz I am apt-get upgrading alot of stuff :-)05:49
topyliRuffian|JANE|: no. when did you last update?05:50
Ruffian|JANE|topyli, last night.  The update is about 40MBs.  Last night it was like 500KBs05:50
topyliRuffian|JANE|: all i got today was evolution and imagemagick or something. you probably have a huge installation :)05:51
ermooh. plone.05:52
stuNNedDracosX, what is the quick workaround for the sed thing? :)05:52
Ruffian|JANE|OH well I love updates and upgrades!05:52
nimcwhat is the correct way to upgrade firefox ? should i first uninstall it ?05:52
topyliRuffian|JANE|: you need a buggier system ;)05:53
Ruffian|JANE|my system isnt buggy at all! Because its Ubuntu05:54
Ruffian|JANE|shower time05:54
DracosXzcat /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz > /usr/share/info/sed.info && apt-get install sed05:56
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DracosXafter it fails05:56
DracosXthen you can continue your upgrade/dist-upgrade as usual05:56
DracosXit has dirty hack written all over it, but it works05:57
stuNNedDracosX, thanks05:57
DracosXno problem05:57
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azeemcan somebody please paste me a standard warty sources.list line?05:58
Kamiondeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted05:58
Kamiondeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted05:58
topylihehe. i just told Ruffian|JANE| there was no big upgrade today. now i did it again and all of X started to drip in :)06:00
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Keybukheh, the Ubuntu "day" is about half an hour06:03
topyliKeybuk: decided to read my mail too, and there's the announcement :)06:03
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trans_errI'm getting some errors when I start X- complaining that my font directories lack the font.dir file, how do I generate one?06:09
danielbotrans_err, what can you tell me about your system06:10
trans_errdanielbo, hoary, runs xorg....06:11
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danielboI'm not an Ubuntu developer, but the traditional way to do it is to06:12
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danielbocd into the directory06:12
danielbothen use "ttmkfdir06:12
danielboand echo that into your fonts.dir file06:13
trans_errill give it a try06:13
trans_errthanks a  lot06:13
jkthat's only for truetype fonts...there's also mkfontdir for normal fonts06:13
danielbobut I know that Debian Unstable uses defoma06:13
trans_errI couldn't get mkfontdir to work right--- complains of the way I'm using it06:13
trans_errbut I cant figure it out from the man file06:13
danielbobitmap fonts?06:13
danielboor TT06:14
danielbowrong tool06:14
trans_errthen thats why :D06:14
trans_errsomeone should fix the output from xorg- it suggests to use mkfontdir06:14
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lil_anthonyif i disabled pnp on my isa 3com card using a dos utility and set the io to 300h and the irq to 10 how do i get linux to detect do i need to reprobe and if so how?06:14
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danielbolil_anthony, is there a reason you disabled pnp?06:15
lil_anthonyyes, cause according to forums i have read basically the ethernet howto it says the 3com 3c509b isa card has onboard pnp that screws everything up06:16
lil_anthonyso i disabled it according to them and set a manual io and irq06:17
danielbodid you try it before you disabled?06:17
danielboI used that card with LTSP a year or two ago06:17
mjg59lil_anthony: Easiest way is to add a line to /etc/modules saying06:17
danielboand it worked fine06:17
mjg593c509 io=0x300 irq=1006:18
lil_anthonyok thats what i was wondering dos it have to be in a certain area?06:18
trans_errSegmentation fault06:18
lil_anthonyor just append it?06:18
mjg59lil_anthony: And in your BIOS, make sure that IRQ 10 is set to "legacy ISA"06:18
mjg59Otherwise it'll clash06:18
lil_anthonyi did that already06:18
lil_anthonylet me try the module06:19
danielbotrans_err, let me try... brb06:19
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lil_anthonyso gedit /etc/modules correct and all the line?06:20
danielbotrans_err, yep06:20
Fator_Deeis it ok to keep on doing normal stuff while ubuntu updates a lot of packages?06:20
trans_errdanielbo, heh06:20
trey`Fator_Dee: yeah...06:20
trans_errdoes hoary have a standard place to add bugs?06:21
lil_anthonyand reboot correct?06:21
trey`lil_anthony: yes... that should work... modprobe "all the line" too though...06:21
trey`lil_anthony: modprobe shouldn't require you to reboot...06:21
lil_anthonyok still learning let me try06:21
trey`trans_err: same as normal...06:21
trans_errCan anyone else confirm that ttmkfdir seg faults in hoary?06:21
trey`lil_anthony: its cool  :)06:21
lil_anthonyso modprobe /etc/modules?06:22
trans_errtrey`, yeah? where would that be :D06:22
lil_anthonyor modprobe /etc/modules/module.conf?06:22
Ruffian|JANE|hey all06:22
trey`trans_err: same bugzilla  ;)06:23
trey`trans_err: just mention its hoary I guess though  :/06:23
trey`trans_err: should be able to specify its hoary... but I guess not  :/06:23
trans_errhmm- ill give her a try06:23
trans_errare there any ubuntu developers in here?06:23
trey`lil_anthony: no... edit /etc/modules ...06:23
Kamiontrans_err: bugs> see the topic06:23
Kamiontrans_err: yes; why?06:24
lil_anthonyok i did that06:24
lil_anthonyand added the line to it06:24
lil_anthonyat the bottom after Nvidia06:24
trey`lil_anthony: its a Debian specific file that is checked at boot... stores a bunch of modules to load at boot...06:24
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trey`lil_anthony: k... doesn't matter where you put it so long as its in there  :)06:24
lil_anthonyok but i'm having trouble on the modprobe ;)06:24
trey`lil_anthony: what it say?06:24
lil_anthonyumm don't know how to use it :(06:24
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trey`lil_anthony: modprobe 3c509 io=0x300 irq=1006:25
trans_errKamion, ttmkfdir segfaults in hoary06:25
trey`type that into a terminal06:25
trey`lil_anthony: if that doesn't work, reboot  ;)06:26
lil_anthonyone quick question06:26
lil_anthonyis the 3c509 specific or is that just a name it mounts it per say as06:26
lil_anthonyso could i have like Nic2...06:26
trey`lil_anthony: thats the modules name...06:26
lil_anthonyoh ok06:26
trey`lil_anthony: you could have /dev/eth1 which would be the second nic...06:27
Kamiontrans_err: we have a bug tracking system for that kind of thing. :)06:27
Kamiontrey`: network interfaces don't show up in /dev06:27
lil_anthonyok i typed the modprobe it just went back to root i guess use device manager to see if it detected it?06:27
trans_errKamion, yeah I'm posing it to buzilla06:27
trey`Kamion: damnit, who moved em?  8-)06:27
Kamiontrey`: they never have done06:28
Kamiontrey`: not in Linux, at any rate06:28
lil_anthonyso go to networking and add the card? after doing the probe sorry to be a pest06:28
trey`Kamion: blah... my bad  :(06:29
trey`lil_anthony: man ifconfig... its easier  :)06:29
trey`blah, wait, you mean the GUI app...06:30
trey`/etc/network/interfaces is what I thought you meant... blah, I shouldn't be helping, not sober  :o06:30
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trey`lil_anthony: yeah... use the Networking tool... should be straight forward  :)06:31
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lil_anthonyyeah it looks to be working06:31
lil_anthonylet me put it on the crossover and check06:31
trey`lil_anthony: connection sharing?06:32
lil_anthonyjust doing samba for fileshares06:32
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trey`lil_anthony: ahh... that explains it... was wondering why you'd want a crossover cable  ;)06:33
trey`Not too useful @ getting to an outside network  :)06:33
lil_anthonythanks for the help brb trying to out06:33
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yohanneshi, how can i uncompress *.zip file in linux?06:37
lil_anthonywoo hoo its workin06:37
lil_anthonythanks all for the help06:37
zenwhenAnyone here run XFCE?06:38
zenwhenWith dual monitors?06:38
miraklemsx1: hey, are you there ?06:38
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Kamionyohannes: install the unzip package06:39
labanuxhow can we stop syncrhonizing ntp.ubuntulinux.org on boot??06:40
Kamionyohannes: in fact, unzip is installed by default in Ubuntu06:40
Kamionyohannes: use "Archive Manager" from the menu ...06:40
labanuxhow can we stop syncrhonizing ntp.ubuntulinux.org on boot??06:41
mirakI got a problem with sed package06:42
topylilabanux: computer -> system -> time, change the server or disable the whole thing06:42
mirakthe installation fail06:42
jpvcxmirak: read topic06:42
mirakjpvcx: ok thanks06:42
mirakjpvcx: it's broken in sid too06:43
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trans_errKamion, ttmkfdir is not a listed component and it won't let me add the bug06:44
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mirakis there a way to still use apt ?06:45
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labanuxtopyli: NTP support is not running06:45
chazwurthmirak: what do you mean?06:46
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mirakchazwurth: I want to install other package, but the error on sed fails everything06:46
seb128mirak: -> #ubuntu-fr06:46
labanuxtopyli: but when booting the system.., it still showing the message synchronizing to ntp.ubuntulinux.org06:46
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Kamiontrans_err: um, what ttmkfdir tool is this? I can't find it in hoary06:47
chazwurthmirak: oh, sorry, I didn't see what you were saying about sed above06:47
Kamiontrans_err: hm, never mind, it's a separate package not installed by default06:47
Kamiontrans_err: use UNKNOWN06:47
Kamiontrans_err: in fact, it's a package from universe and therefore not supported ... perhaps filing a Debian bug would be a better use of everyone's time?06:48
Kamiontrans_err: guess it depends on whether it's an X.org-specific thing, though06:49
danielsttfmkdir?  why?06:50
danielswhy do people use this?06:50
zenwhenHehe... I think the Ubuntu forums are running on Gentoo.06:50
Kamiondanielbo claimed earlier that it was a good plan to use ttmkfdir to generate fonts.dir06:50
Kamiondidn't sound like a good plan to me either ...06:51
danielssudo update-fonts-dir06:51
danielszenwhen: why do you think that?06:51
zenwhenthey are down06:51
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deFrysksed can be fixed in hoary06:52
deFryskafter failing install :06:52
deFrysk/usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz06:53
deFryskcp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz06:53
deFryskthen retry06:53
deFryskforget the first line06:53
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cardadordeFrysk: it is beeing solved06:55
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deFryskunstable had the same prob06:55
deFryskdebian unstable06:55
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gregburdI have a PowerBook G4 and an external FireWire drive.  I was able to boot from the warty CDROM and install to the FireWire drive with one problem.  The boot manager didn't properly install.  Now, when I startup my PowerBook (drive attached) the open boot firmware doesn't see the Ubuntu external drive and so won't boot it.  Ideas?06:58
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Kamiongregburd: yaboot doesn't currently understand how to install to firewire devices, I'm afraid07:00
Kamionit's a known bug07:00
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gregburdI assume that this is on the todo list, correct?07:01
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Kamiongregburd: if somebody can work out how to calculate the ofpath ... although I think I have mail about it somewhere07:02
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gregburdWell, if you find something I'd be interested in checking it out and working to add it into yaboot (if possible).07:03
JDahlI am working on some huge datasets (15gb) and I wanted to speed up disk IO somewhat..  hdparm is configured to 16bit IO - wont I gain alot by setting it to 32bit? Hdparm reports 50MB/s throughput already though, which sounds good (but disk IO is still the bottleneck in my simulations)07:05
JDahldid someone else here change hdparm to 32bit, and did it help?07:06
bronsonJDahl: barely.07:07
bronsonWhy don't you just try it...?07:07
pisukeI always change to hdparm -c3 /dev/hdx07:07
pisukeyou can test with hdparm -tT07:07
pisukeand see the difference07:08
JDahlbronson, I would... but that would require a reboot (I guess?) and I have some simulation running on day 207:08
bronsonJDahl: no reboot needed.07:08
pisukeno reboot07:08
JDahlcool.. thanks07:08
pisukeand also -X66 .. 70 for ultra dma07:08
bronsonCareful though.  Aggressive hdparming tickles bugs in a lot of disk firmware.07:09
pisukehdparm -i /dev/hda should give you a glimpse about the capabilities of your drive07:09
bronsoni.e. corruption.07:09
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JDahlbut you guys dont think it matters much? and would 32bit be the most significant change?07:10
rsahmm.. i did open port 24500-24505 (icq) & port 6891-6900 (msn) but i still get a speed at 4kb/s. i do have 250 kb/s on ftp protocol, strange. someone who's got a clue about this?07:10
pisukeJDahl, in fact the most significant change is dma on/off07:11
pisukehdparm -d107:11
fissyget some raid07:11
nimcwhat is the correct way to install firefox 1.0 in warty ?07:11
pisukewait till march?07:12
chazwurththat long?07:12
fissymarch is a long way away07:12
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nimcwhy no firefox1.0 in synaptic for warty users ?07:13
dataw0lfjust install it int /usr/share with the firefox-installer and change all instances to the old binaries to symlink to that.07:13
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Kamiongregburd: thanks07:13
Casparhey i am back07:13
fissythats a bit of a hassle07:13
crimsunnimc: because Warty was released prior to Mozilla-Firefox being released.07:13
Kirschhey my soundcard doesn't work... when i try to play out of ALSA, but esound works07:13
JDahlpisuke, yeah.. enabling 32bit gave me an extra 10% throughput - dma is already enabled.... I guess I will just kick back and read slashdot while my simulations are running07:13
Caspari have a question07:13
dataw0lffissy: not really, it's like three commands.07:13
Kirschxmms complains07:14
fissycouldn't it get put in warty? pre 1.0 counts as beta no? so 1.0 must be a bug fix release ;)07:14
Casparevery time i launch UT2004 it gives this error07:14
Caspar<hbos> Tsjoklat, /me is spacey07:14
Caspar<hbos> dus dat weet je best:)07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> oh07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> sorry!07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> het is zeven in de morgen07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> en ik ben de hele nacht aan het klooien geweest07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> sorry sorry07:14
Caspar<hbos> geeft niks hoor07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> :)07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> nou... ik denk dat ik mijzelf maar een kopje thee ga zetten en mijn nest opzoek07:14
crimsunKirsch: if there is an esd output for XMMS installed, use it07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> ben weer terug vanavond :)07:14
Caspar<Tsjoklat> bedankt voor alle  help en de gezellige praat07:14
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Caspar<hbos> nachtbeest:p07:14
Caspar<hbos> 17 Nov 16:19:11 ntpdate[21121] : step time server offset 8084.247956 sec07:14
Caspar<hbos> hehe07:14
Caspar* caspar is naar piano les07:14
fissydamn you Caspar07:14
crimsunCaspar: ?07:14
Caspar<hbos> dat compilen van nvu duurt nog pittig lang07:14
aitrusCaspar: stop07:14
neill /kick caspar07:14
Caspar<iz> nvu html editor?07:14
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Caspar<hbos> iz, yup07:14
Caspar<hbos> nou uhh tot over ene half ur ofzo ;p07:14
Caspar<hbos> ik ga naar huis07:14
JDahljeez... someone tell this guy about #paste07:14
Caspar<hbos> t zit er weer op07:14
Caspar<hbos> pfff tijd is fucked up onder vmware07:14
neill /names07:14
Caspar<hbos> staat stil :p07:14
Caspar<hbos> bbl!07:14
dataw0lfCaspar: stop pasting that crap.07:15
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Kamionfissy: it's already involved changing a bunch of other related packages; doesn't qualify for a stable update07:15
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dataw0lfCaspar: take it to #flood or #paste07:15
crimsun13:15 Ignoring ALL from Caspar07:15
crimsunahh. bliss.07:15
neillHe's stopped now....07:15
Kirschis it over?07:15
Casparmade error sorry07:15
fissyKamion, ok07:15
CasparWARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!07:15
CasparCTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit.07:15
dataw0lfIt's over... for now! duh DUH duuuuh07:15
Casparmeant thes 207:15
nimcKamion, what does stable update mean ?07:16
Kirschwhoeveer made comment about ESD, I want to use Alsa, i've been using ALSA07:16
dataw0lfwhats up with the ubuntu forums, they down?07:16
Caspari have a prob while lanching Unreal tournament 200407:16
Casparand these are them07:16
CasparWARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!07:16
CasparCTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit.07:16
crimsunKirsch: so kill esd and change all the programs that were using esd to use alsa directly07:16
Kirschthanks, that worked07:17
Casparsomeone knows?07:18
CasparXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".07:19
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Kamionnimc: an update to our stable release, i.e. warty07:21
dataw0lfCaspar: post your glxinfo in flood07:21
nimcKamion, so what is the criteria ? it has to be a bug fix release ?07:21
Casparwhat do i need to post where? datawolf?07:22
dataw0lfyour GLXINFO in #FLOOD07:22
Kamionnimc: security update or high-severity bug, minimal change to fix07:23
Kamionnimc: new upstream versions almost never qualify07:23
Caspari made error befor i didn't meant to flood07:23
dataw0lfoh god, nevermind Caspar.07:23
nimcok :(07:23
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nimcis it possible somehow to have sounds from multiple sources for everything, or the only way is to use dmix individually and it's only for programs that support it?07:24
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Knight38is there a  page for Ubuntu extras ?07:25
charlesbcwhere is the audio device normally located?07:25
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crimsunnimc: dmix works for alsa-native programs and some wrapped with aoss, alsa's wrapper for oss programs. If your sound hardware does not support hardware multiopen, then you're stuck using dmix.07:25
KirschCasper type in "cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep Load, is dri and glx listed?07:25
lemsx1Caspar, if you google for that you will find an answer... disregard the DRI errors i would say (for nvidia cards)07:26
Caspari have posted my info @ #flood for the glxinfo07:27
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nimccrimsun, does that mean that if i had another sound chipset then ubuntu would have played sounds from multiple sources simultaeously without a need to set anything?07:28
nimci.e. without dmix ?07:28
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crimsunnimc: if the hardware doesn't support multiple streams, then you can play as many sounds as you have sound hardware07:29
Caspardataw0lf i have the info07:29
crimsunnimc: it's just easier to use dmix for most people in such a situation07:29
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Maydayso is there a warty -> hoary upgrade faq some place? or does a dist-upgrade operation work?07:30
nimccrimsun, which hardware supports multiple streams ? i tried on 2 computers and it only allowed to play 1 sound at a time07:30
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crimsunnimc: cs46xx (newer hardware), emu10k1, emu10k2, etc.07:31
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KamionMayday: we deliberately aren't documenting it too heavily because it's in a lot of flux at the moment and may well break your system07:31
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KamionMayday: in particular, a dist-upgrade today will fail horribly (see the topic)07:31
MabusI'm running ubuntu on my laptop, and debian sid/unstable on my desktop, and I'm thinking about "upgrading" from Sarge->Ubuntu Hoary on my desktop - any reasons why I shouldn't?07:32
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MaydayKamion: :\07:32
MabusI've read the wiki and forums, so I've seen the instructions that have been written.07:32
nimccrimsun, so for these chipset there's no need to setup anything in ubuntu ?07:32
pondshas anyone gotten their ubuntu CDs from canonical yet?07:32
pondsi have no idea when to expect them and im very excited abotu them07:32
KamionMabus: wait until tomorrow at the very least07:32
MabusKamion: what happens then ?07:32
crimsunmichiel_: correct07:32
KamionMabus: see the bit about sed in the topic07:33
MabusKamion: ah, yes - but that's easily fixed.07:33
Mabus /msg dpkg sed fix07:33
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enablanyone know if a 2.6.9 kernel is coming for hoary?07:33
Kamionenabl: at some point, yes, don't know timescales yet07:33
enablor is it gonna stay a compile your own07:33
MabusKamion: perhaps you can add that to the topic07:33
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KamionMabus: add what?07:34
enablok thanks Kamion07:34
MabusKamion: /msg dpkg sed fix07:34
Knight38where did i get the extras not on the warty cd ?07:34
KamionMabus: there is no dpkg in this channel07:34
crimsunMabus: I believe that only works if you're in #debian, too07:34
Mabuscrimsun: quite right.07:34
Mabusin any case, it's a one-liner, and it fixes the problem.07:34
Kamionthe topic's pretty full though07:36
MabusKamion: so, besides the sed package, are there any known major problems with "upgrading" ?07:36
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Mabusshould I upgrade to warty first, and then hoary - it doesn't make any sense in my head, but who knows..07:37
fissyhi, i've broken a firewall... at present all connections are dropped by iptables, how can i 'reset' ip tables to do nothing?07:37
Mabusfissy: apt-get remove iptables07:38
Mabusor dpkg --purge07:38
KamionMabus: from sarge upgrading straight to hoary is probably easier07:38
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nimccrimsun, do u know of a good webpage with info on how to set dmix for ubuntu ?07:38
MabusKamion: alright, I'll give it a shot.07:39
Mabusheh :)07:39
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hilewhat is the basic toolset to be improved and used by ubuntu, gnome-system-tools or what? I would like to add support for GPRS-connection setup and monitoring...07:47
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hilemonitoring could go to wireless monitor (use standard AT-commands to the GPRS-interface to get signal strength and other stuff), the device setup should be in network devices setup group of gnome-system-tools, I think...07:49
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hileBut is ubuntu going to use and improve GST? I would like to improve code which is in next release  I use as well ;)07:51
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Kamionyes, we're using g-s-t and feeding back suggestions07:52
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hileok, fine07:54
vinichi! I've got big trouble there... I booted ubuntu but X session refused to launch on my account (.ICEauthority unable to be read)... So I booted as root... file was existing... Then I tried again to boot on my account: NO MORE /home/vincent/ ...dam it... rebbot as root, the /home partition is not mounted... What happens?????07:55
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charlesbchow can I install a debian package manually?07:58
usualdpkg -i07:58
vinicuhhh.... anyone can help?07:59
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usualhoary's first broken package08:00
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usualon my end at least08:00
Slackmanhey guys, if i want a script to run on my gnome profile start up, where do i jam it?08:00
Agrajaganywhere you want to, just add it to your gnome session08:01
Agrajagpreferences > sessions08:01
Agrajagstartup programs tab08:01
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SlackmanAgrajag, thanks :)08:04
SlackmanAgrajag, k, what if i want it to turn off at logout08:05
usualanyone need the fix for sed?08:05
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m00seusual, i do08:06
usualsudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz08:06
farruinnhow well does ubuntu handle dual boots with windows?08:06
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usualfarruinn, perfectly fine08:07
=== farruinn didn't find much on the wiki
farruinnyay! =)08:07
Slackmanfarruinn, even dual boots with OSX nicely...and thats not an easy task08:07
pepsiit didnt want to boot windows xp off of my 2nd hard drive08:07
Slackmanautomagically too08:07
pepsii had to tell the bios which hd to try to boot off of first08:07
farruinnheheheh, I a triple boot on my machine: OS X, OS 9, Ubuntu08:07
pepsithat problem went away when i got rid of windows :P08:07
farruinnall on a beige G308:07
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Scognitoi'm ready for upgrading my ubuntu to hoary08:08
m00seusual, works great, thx!08:08
usualm00se, np08:08
Scognitoi've just made the backup08:08
usualScognito, sed is broken in hoary08:08
Scognitoany other reccomandation?08:08
usualbut there is a fix08:08
Scognitoi use geforce and the driver of nvidia08:09
AgrajagSlackman: it should die when gnome does08:09
Scognitowhere is the fix?08:09
Agrajagas I think anything in the session is a child process of gnome-session08:09
usualsudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz08:09
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SlackmanAgrajag, thanks08:09
Ruffian|JANE|HOw do I remove an app I just apt-got?08:10
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usualapt-get remove08:11
cenerentolahi ya... is it right to "update-rc.d ntpdate remove" if i want to remove ntp-check at boot-tim...pun... boot-strap?08:11
Scognitoapt-get remove what?08:11
usualthe package name08:11
usualapt-get remove packagename08:11
usualScognito, no i already gave you that fix08:11
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Scognitoah ok :D08:11
usualschweeb_, I was answering Ruffian|JANE|08:11
usualdamn xchat08:11
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topyliScognito: iirc you need to try and fail the sed upgrade first, then apply the dirty hack, then upgrade again08:12
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cenerentolahey... how i disable ntp check?08:13
ElVirolohi all !08:13
cenerentolahi elvirolo08:13
ElViroloi've got an error when i try the apt-get dist-upgrade wy hoary install08:13
ElViroloi'll post it in #flood08:13
topylicenerentola: remove ntpdate?08:14
cenerentolatopyli: update-rc.d ntpdate remove?08:14
usualElVirolo, with sed?08:14
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ark0n3is anybody using ubuntu on amd64?08:14
ElVirolousual : lol, yes08:14
usualElVirolo, do this08:14
topylicenerentola: possibly. what i meant was apt-get remove ntpdate :)08:14
usualsudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz08:14
Scognitotopyli, i tought so too tnx08:15
ElVirolousual: thank you sooo much :)08:15
ElVirolothks for being so helpful :)08:15
ElVirolobye :)!08:15
mwh Im having some trouble getting java-applets going with mozilla-firefox, but not with mozilla and epiphany, anyone heard about this problem before?08:15
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cenerentolatopyli: i mean i dont mean removing it forever...08:16
topylicenerentola: oh, then you don't want to uninstall it :)08:16
cenerentola...no.. just momentary disabled08:16
topylicenerentola: you could also remove the link from /etc/rc2.d. then relink it when you want08:17