[12:00] <caspar> now "viberating termenol"
[12:00] <liberaltugboat> hey I live in the US your english cant be any worse then ours
[12:00] <stvn> caspar: no info there?
[12:00] <netmonk> liberaltugboat, :)
[12:00] <caspar> i live in the netherlands :P
[12:00] <caspar> stvn: can't read annything thats the prob
[12:01] <stvn> caspar: join ubuntu-nl can help you there in dutch ;)
[12:01] <liberaltugboat> sweet! a dutch channel
[12:02] <liberaltugboat> wait... I dont now any dutch
[12:02] <stvn> liberaltugboat: there are many language channels actually
[12:02] <usual> yay evolution for gmail
[12:03] <cardador> usual: is it working for you?
[12:03] <liberaltugboat> stvn: thats cool, Its nice to see such wide acceptance
[12:03] <kensai> usual: evolution for gmail how?
[12:03] <usual> cardador, yes
[12:03] <cardador> kensai: pop
[12:03] <usual> kensai, gmail has enabled pop access offically
[12:03] <caspar> LOL @ liberaltug
[12:03] <usual> not just trial anymore
[12:03] <kensai> usual: how do I configure it
[12:04] <usual> kensai, gmail settings, enable pop
[12:04] <usual> kensai, then follow the instructions in other
[12:04] <usual> for mail clients
[12:04] <kensai> usua, I have installed python-libgmail and it isn't working
[12:04] <usual> kensai, don't need that
[12:05] <cyberwave> hello
[12:06] <kensai> usual, thanks
[12:06] <usual> np
[12:06] <cyberwave> I have a Dell 5150 with mini-PCI b/g wireless built-in....how do I get it to work in Ubuntu?
[12:07] <Keybuk> cyberwave: does it not just work?
[12:07] <liberaltugboat> cyberwave: you might need to use ndiswrapper
[12:08] <liberaltugboat> cause it more then likely a propietary set up
[12:08] <Keybuk> cyberwave: do you know which wireless mini-PCI card you have in it?
[12:10] <cyberwave> ...hi
[12:10] <cyberwave> right
[12:10] <cyberwave> it's a 1350 something something
[12:10] <sluDGeT> hello everyone! is there a chance to use the new firefox 1.0 with ubuntu??
[12:10] <cyberwave> i think I"m going to have to use a wrapper
[12:10] <cyberwave> I switched from Suse when they didn't have something as basic as make
[12:10] <cyberwave> and a very unintuitive, practically unfunctioning update mechanism
[12:11] <Carpediem9> make might be basic to you but I have no idea what to do with it.
[12:12] <Carpediem9> shouldn't need to anyway
[12:14] <jnk> sluDGeT: you can always use the standalone precompiled binary...
[12:14] <FTTP> i just switched to the i686 kernel and it seems much faster
[12:14] <liberaltugboat> ok one thing sbout gnome 2.8 that just eats at me... "right click">"remove from panel"
[12:14] <FTTP> i dont have to logout to get the new kernel right?
[12:15] <FTTP> or do i need to reboot
[12:15] <liberaltugboat> i keep getting rid of my trash can applet when I try to empty it
[12:15] <jdub> FTTP: you have to reboot.
[12:15] <FTTP> jdub:  Weird it seems faster without a reboot :)
[12:15] <thoreauputic> FTTP: after installing, you need a reboot to use the new kernel, yes
[12:15] <jdub> FTTP: it isn't.
[12:15] <FTTP> okie
[12:15] <FTTP> jdub it seems it tho
[12:15] <FTTP> brb
[12:15] <ogra> cyberwave: look with lspci or the dvice manager to find the exact chipname
[12:15] <liberaltugboat> they need to disable "remove from panel" when an item is lock
[12:15] <ogra> device
[12:16] <topyli> why reboot if psychology makes your machine so much faster anyway :)
[12:16] <Despair> I'm getting `ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619` 3 times while linking kernels in Ubuntu on amd64. And it's also getting kernels that wont boot. :/
[12:17] <sluDGeT> jnk: i got it :) thanks!
[12:17] <thoreauputic> topyli: heh - FTTP is a recent convert and his faith is increasing by the day ;)
[12:17] <ogra> topyli: do you think it would be enough to just tell the users they have a new release ?
[12:17] <ogra> topyli: :)
[12:17] <cyberwave> oh shit.... i'm afk
[12:17] <topyli> ogra: it's enough for microsoft!
[12:18] <ogra> topyli: hehe....
[12:18] <jnk> sluDGeT: np
[12:18] <thoreauputic> topyli: beat me to it ! :)
[12:18] <topyli> hehe
[12:18] <FTTP> when you install the new kernel does the old kernel remain?
[12:18] <FTTP> in grub it still lists the old kernel
[12:18] <ogra> topyli: if the users wouldnt get it....we would be alone in here
[12:18] <thoreauputic> FTTP: yes
[12:18] <liberaltugboat> yeah
[12:18] <jnk> FTTP: yes you can remove it like any other package
[12:18] <FTTP> jnk:  using synaptic i can remove it?
[12:19] <thoreauputic> FTTP: it can be useful to have a backup kernel
[12:19] <FTTP> and by using the bootloader right?
[12:19] <topyli> FTTP: so do you have a lightning fast kernel?
[12:19] <topyli> :)
[12:19] <jnk> FTTP: by synaptic yes, and the bootloader is automatically updated
[12:19] <FTTP> topyli:  Now I do :)
[12:19] <liberaltugboat> FTTP, having a proven kernal on standby is always a good thing
[12:19] <ogra> thoreauputic: failsafe should be enough....
[12:19] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  Both are hoary tho
[12:20] <topyli> thoreauputic: FTTP: i normally like to keep a known-to-work kernel at the back pocket of /boot
[12:20] <thoreauputic> ogra: good idea to make sure everything is working before dumping the old kernel :)
[12:20] <liberaltugboat> FTTP, oh.. well i still keep my old kernal
[12:21] <ogra> thoreauputic: yep.... but if it booted its mostly enough.....
[12:21] <thoreauputic> FTTP: the old kernel doesn't use much space anyway
[12:21] <cyberwave> this channel rules
[12:21] <liberaltugboat> I just comment out the extra stuff in grubs menu.lst
[12:21] <FTTP> topyli:  For me im testing distros...... im a desktop user who is still looking for that ultimate linux distro so i can replace windows.......
[12:21] <FTTP> ubuntu is extremely nice
[12:22] <FTTP> has lots of potential
[12:22] <liberaltugboat> that way if it doesnt boot- pop in DSL edit uncomment the old kernal and bam back in business
[12:22] <FTTP> easy to update :)
[12:22] <topyli> FTTP: well it can replace windows easily. i think the competition is elsewhere :)
[12:23] <liberaltugboat> FTTP, I have also been playing the distro shuffle game to find the perfect one, ubuntu is pretty damn close
[12:23] <liberaltugboat> mac vs. pc doesnt matter... they both run ubuntu ;)
[12:23] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  lycoris i tried but KDE is too much windows like and i dont like KDE
[12:23] <thoreauputic> liberaltugboat: indeed :)
[12:23] <FTTP> lycoris is too much windows looking
[12:24] <liberaltugboat> what other distros have you tried?
[12:24] <Carpediem9> tried Mepis?
[12:24] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  Fedora, SUSE, Lycoris
[12:24] <FTTP> liberaltugbat:  slackware awhile back
[12:24] <gen> what'd you think of fedora
[12:24] <FTTP> i dont like fedora
[12:24] <FTTP> i tried core 1 tho
[12:24] <liberaltugboat> fedora is lame
[12:24] <liberaltugboat> nothing works right
[12:25] <liberaltugboat> and you have to use workaround for everything
[12:25] <FTTP> fedora crashes on the whim of a hat
[12:25] <jdub> dudes
[12:25] <FTTP> yeah fedora isnt stable
[12:25] <FTTP> debian is stable as a rock
[12:25] <FTTP> and ubuntu is based off of it
[12:25] <jdub> please take the distro comments elsewhere
[12:25] <liberaltugboat> but fedora has good support
[12:25] <ogra> offtopic ?
[12:25] <FTTP> jdub:  look at what i started :)
[12:25] <liberaltugboat> lol
[12:25] <FTTP> OK since this is not #ubuntu related lets go to #distro :)
[12:25] <liberaltugboat> we are talking about the strenths of ubuntu?
[12:26] <FTTP> all distro chat on #distro :)
[12:26] <gen> nice spelling
[12:26] <zenwhen> oh liberaltugboat chan -_-
[12:26] <topyli> FTTP: there's always #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:26] <FTTP> or #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:26] <FTTP> your choice :)
[12:26] <jdub> someone should populate #sounder
[12:26] <Despair> Seems binutils 2.15 is known to be broken for kernel compiles on x86_64. Whee...
[12:26] <ogra> jdub: noone did yet :)
[12:26] <stvn> bonobo: laptop
[12:26] <bonobo> : laptops with ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[12:26] <topyli> jdub: to fight fedora over suse over debian?
[12:26] <FTTP> ubuntu-offtopic it is
[12:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> the only good distro is a dead one
[12:27] <gen> uh
[12:27] <topyli> finally some insight
[12:27] <FTTP> kneel: ?
[12:27] <FTTP> kneel:  #ubuntu-offtopic for distro chat
[12:33] <mamon31> salutti
[12:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> FTTP: r u distro chat?
[12:34] <s1x> -_-
[12:34] <PeachThief> ha ha
[12:38] <jnk> bye
[12:46] <kgill> anyone out there willing to help me with my networking problems?
[12:46] <crimsun> ask away.
[12:46] <kgill> i am trying to get it set up through ipconfig
[12:46] <crimsun> (ipconfig? there's ifconfig but no ipconfig...)
[12:47] <gen> ipconfig would be windows
[12:47] <kgill> I have it sending and receiving but not able to set the dns servers
[12:47] <kgill> my bad ifconfig
[12:47] <crimsun> using dhcp or static? Assuming the latter...
[12:47] <kgill> I am normally  a mac and pc admin
[12:47] <kgill> static
[12:47] <crimsun> dns servers go in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:48] <crimsun> nameserver IP
[12:48] <kgill> and I can just go in there and edit it manually
[12:48] <crimsun> yep.
[12:48] <TheStuff> how can i login with root account on ubuntu ?
[12:48] <ogra> TheStuff: no need for root....
[12:48] <gen> you don't like security much do you stuff
[12:48] <f00fbug> how do i get root?
[12:48] <crimsun> TheStuff: set a passwd for it using sudo. Note this is not recommended.
[12:48] <kgill> the other problem is that when I do a restart, the machine does not save my settings
[12:49] <ogra> bonobo: sudo
[12:49] <bonobo> : The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:49] <TheStuff> gen : i have to configure menu.ls
[12:49] <ogra> TheStuff: use sudo
[12:49] <gen> you don't need a root account
[12:49] <usual> use sudo
[12:49] <gen> agreed
[12:49] <ogra> TheStuff: see the url
[12:49] <TheStuff> bonobo: thanx, i`ll check it now
[12:49] <crimsun> TheStuff: you can do that: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:49] <TheStuff> thanx all, brb
[12:50] <crimsun> kgill: how are you restarting? `reboot'? power switch?
[12:50] <kgill> either shutdown -r now or through the gui and logout saving session
[12:51] <ogra> kgill: which settings exactly ?
[12:51] <mike998> mind if I ask a question?
[12:51] <kgill> the network and screen resolution
[12:51] <crimsun> mike998: ask away.
[12:51] <ogra> mike998: dont ask to ask :)
[12:52] <ogra> kgill: how did you adjus the screenres ?
[12:52] <kgill> after reboot, I have to do a Ctrl + Alt and + to see the login screen
[12:52] <mike998> I am using MPlayer to try to play a DVD - I have followed the multimedia how-to but when I try to play a DVD, I am getting a "Seek Failed" error from MPlayer.  Any ideas?
[12:52] <ogra> kgill: did you try it with the tool in the computer menu ?
[12:52] <Matt|> hiya. My DVD playback is really jerky and slow. Does anyone know what I can do about this? It is fine on other linux systems I've used on this laptop, and windows.
[12:52] <Matt|> hi ogra
[12:52] <Matt|> :)
[12:52] <kgill> then I go through the gui to set the resolution and have to do this each time I restart
[12:53] <ogra> hi Matt|
[12:53] <ogra> ;)
[12:53] <kgill> I used the computer menu to do this
[12:53] <ogra> kgill: did you check: keep as default ?
[12:53] <kgill> yes
[12:53] <ogra> kgill: hmm, bad.....
[12:53] <kgill> hehe
[12:54] <mike998> woah - does anyone have a cluebat?
[12:54] <ogra> kgill: you can reconfigure your graphics driver: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:54] <kgill> I guess if I get the network working first, I can do an updat and see if that helps the second problem
[12:54] <ogra> kgill: in a terminal....
[12:54] <Matt|> any ideas on the DVD question?
[12:55] <kgill> will try thx
[12:55] <ogra> kgill: its about 15 questions, filled with the current defaults, just adjust the res and keep the rest
[12:55] <crimsun> Matt|: ATAPI DVD drive?
[12:55] <Matt|> crimsun, yes it is
[12:55] <ogra> Matt|: dma enabled ?
[12:55] <Matt|> dunno
[12:55] <Matt|> what is dma/
[12:55] <TheStuff> crimsun: sudo $EDITOR /boot/grub/menu.lst this will do wht ?
[12:56] <ogra> TheStuff: what do you want do do exactly ?
[12:56] <ogra> to
[12:56] <TheStuff> ogra: i read the url, its really helpful, but i dont mind to learn more thats all
[12:57] <crimsun> Matt|: hdparm -d /dev/hdc  <-- replace hdc with the dvd device
[12:57] <Matt|> crimsun, off
[12:57] <Matt|> crimsun, it is hdc btw ;p
[12:57] <crimsun> Matt|: hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:58] <mike998> okaaay allow me to change my question - why am I not getting any audio from MPlayer when I do from XMMS?
[12:58] <Matt|> crimsun, ok done. shall i try again?
[12:58] <crimsun> Matt|: yes
[12:58] <ogra> TheStuff: i got a graphical tool for adjusting stuff in menu.lst .... so i wanted to know if it applys to your task....
[12:58] <Matt|> crimsun, reboot?
[12:58] <crimsun> Matt|: no need to reboot, just try it again
[12:58] <crimsun> mike998: what output is XMMS using?
[12:59] <crimsun> mike998: similarly, which is mplayer using?
[12:59] <Matt|> crimsun, lovely
[12:59] <mike998> both set to oss
[12:59] <Matt|> crimsun, working. What is that and how come it isn't enabled by default?
[12:59] <ogra> mike998: set both to esd
[12:59] <mike998> okay
[12:59] <ogra> mike998: if you use warty
[01:00] <crimsun> Matt|: a while before Warty was released, the decision was made to turn DMA off for ATAPI devices for safety
[01:00] <mike998> yeah - convert to ubuntu
[01:00] <mike998> there is no ESD
[01:00] <crimsun> Matt|: wikipedia.org/DMA
[01:00] <Matt|> crimsun, kthx
[01:00] <Matt|> crimsun, i appreciate the help
[01:01] <ogra> mike998: mplayer -ao esd i think.... for xmms there is a esd output plugin afaik
[01:01] <liberaltugboat> know of any good p2p client for ubuntu?
[01:01] <mike998> okay - I will check.  Thanks
[01:02] <f00fbug> hmm.. odd
[01:02] <f00fbug> my lexmark on /dev/lp0 isnt printing
[01:02] <f00fbug> :/
[01:02] <liberaltugboat> and a download manager that can handle files larger then 2 gigs?
[01:02] <Matt|> liberaltugboat, what do you want to do?
[01:02] <liberaltugboat> f00fbug, thats because you have a lexmark
[01:02] <Matt|> liberaltugboat, d4x for the latter? Dunno about file size
[01:02] <liberaltugboat> d4x.. is in universe?
[01:03] <Matt|> liberaltugboat, not sure i'm afraid
[01:03] <liberaltugboat> most want to dl music and anime
[01:03] <TheStuff> ogra: okay .. u want me to test it ?
[01:03] <Matt|> soulseek has a linux version
[01:03] <Matt|> so does piolet
[01:03] <f00fbug> hmm
[01:03] <f00fbug> has anyone here ever gotten drv_z42 to work?
[01:03] <liberaltugboat> hmm i could just use wine and shareaza
[01:03] <crimsun> for soulseek, I recommend nicotine.
[01:04] <ogra> TheStuff: want to ? http://www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/startup-settings.png
[01:04] <sato___> hi all
[01:04] <liberaltugboat> f00fbug, throw away the lexmark
[01:04] <liberaltugboat> it will never work right in linux
[01:04] <sato___> anyone can help me?
[01:04] <f00fbug> hmm?
[01:04] <liberaltugboat> i spent days trying to get my z42 to work right
[01:04] <crimsun> sato___: please ask your question already
[01:04] <liberaltugboat> it would print test pages
[01:04] <f00fbug> i dont care if it works right xD as long as its good enough to make her happy.
[01:05] <liberaltugboat> but anything else it would die after a could of lines printed then i would have to unplug it to get it to unlock up
[01:05] <crimsun> f00fbug: wrong approach, and it will cause bigger headaches ;)
[01:05] <f00fbug> im trying to get her to buy an HP
[01:05] <liberaltugboat> lexmark printers dont think for themselves
[01:05] <f00fbug> but.. NOOOO.... "the printer we have (which sucks) its good enough)
[01:05] <sato___> I have an USB Optical Wireless Mouse. And when i use it, The Buttons doesn't work, but the scroll and movement yes (sorry about my english :) )
[01:05] <liberaltugboat> they are like winmodems
[01:06] <liberaltugboat> get an epson
[01:06] <sato___> i'm using IMPS/2 protocol
[01:06] <liberaltugboat> the ink is about half the price
[01:06] <f00fbug> yeah
[01:06] <liberaltugboat> and the linux support is better
[01:06] <f00fbug> liberaltugboat, anyway howd you get it to print something?
[01:06] <crimsun> sato___: what make and model?
[01:06] <sato___> Targus
[01:07] <liberaltugboat> well I have only gotten it to print under mepis... and only test pages
[01:07] <f00fbug> hmm
[01:07] <crimsun> sato___: model?
[01:07] <liberaltugboat> it wouldnt print anywhere else
[01:07] <sato___> hmm
[01:07] <sato___> one moment
[01:07] <liberaltugboat> have you been to linux-printing.org
[01:07] <sato___> MODEL PAWM004
[01:08] <sato___> it's a mini mouse
[01:08] <liberaltugboat> they have lots of help for printing but support for lexmark under linux is bad
[01:08] <sato___> and using a Live Distribution like Suse 9.2 have the same problems.
[01:09] <f00fbug> liberaltugboat, yeah
[01:09] <f00fbug> hmm
[01:09] <f00fbug> i hate this printer so much... oops.. did it just fall off the desk?
[01:09] <f00fbug> ;)
[01:09] <liberaltugboat> lol
[01:09] <crimsun> sato___: looks like the protocol used is incorrect.
[01:09] <crimsun> sato___: have you tried ExplorerPS/2 ?
[01:10] <sato___> Hmm no,
[01:10] <sato___> ok, one minute i will restart x
[01:10] <liberaltugboat> [sarcasm]  Oh no not a lexmark printer falling off the desk.. what a tradgety [/sarcasm] 
[01:11] <Mojo_Jojo_> Hi, for the past week xmms doesnt want to open and I don't get any errors when I try in the cli beem meedia player also doesn't open :(
[01:11] <Mojo_Jojo_> *beem = beep
[01:11] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo_: what did you try in the command line?
[01:11] <Mojo_Jojo_> xmms :)
[01:11] <f00fbug> brb
[01:12] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo_: oh, I thought you tried another command line player.
[01:12] <sato___> Nothing
[01:12] <sato___> :(
[01:12] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo_: like mpg123, etc.
[01:12] <Mojo_Jojo_> no I don't really like cli players
[01:12] <liberaltugboat> just sudo apt-get reinstall xmms
[01:12] <liberaltugboat> that usually fixes programs not working
[01:12] <Mojo_Jojo_> liberaltugboat, i'll try that once synaptic is done updating...again
[01:13] <sato___> Any other idea?
[01:13] <crimsun> sato___: you're not using gpm, correct?
[01:13] <sato___> hmmm
[01:13] <sato___> gdm
[01:14] <sato___> i'm not expert in linux, so sorry if i say something stupid
[01:14] <sato___> Gnome
[01:14] <crimsun> no, not gdm (the display manager); but gpm, the console mouse daemon
[01:14] <sato___> hmm how i see that?
[01:15] <crimsun> sato___: pidof gpm
[01:15] <sato___> blank
[01:15] <sato___> nothing
[01:16] <ogra> crimsun: its not on by default
[01:16] <sato___> apt-get install gpm?
[01:16] <ogra> sato___: nope, its for the console....you wont need it
[01:16] <crimsun> sato___: no.
[01:16] <sato___> ok
[01:16] <crimsun> sato___: try the "auto" Protocol
[01:17] <sato___> i do
[01:17] <sato___> and nothing
[01:17] <liberaltugboat> apt-get remove windows
[01:17] <crimsun> well, you can try ThinkingMousePS/2 and MouseManPlusPS/2
[01:17] <sato___> and i have probed PS/2 and more
[01:18] <sato___> ok, two minutes ( thx friends ;) )
[01:18] <s1x> since ubuntu are such python fans (as myself) are you guys going to support gstreamer-python?
[01:18] <s1x> would be really interesting
[01:18] <s1x> :)
[01:19] <Mojo_Jojo_> crimsun, when I "sudo apt-get reinstall xmms" is says "E: Invalid operation reinstall"
[01:19] <Keybuk> Mojo_Jojo_: aptitude reinstlal xmms
[01:19] <crimsun> Mojo_Jojo_: I did not suggest reinstalling XMMS.
[01:20] <Keybuk> (but speled right)
[01:20] <thoreauputic> Mojo_Jojo_: also that command is wrong
[01:20] <crimsun> s1x: it's possible python-gst will be in Ubuntu Hoary.
[01:20] <ogra> Keybuk lol
[01:20] <s1x> crimsun: niiice :D can't wait
[01:20] <crimsun> s1x: (it's currently in Debian Sid)
[01:20] <Mojo_Jojo_> oops...haha I read wrong sorry
[01:20] <liberaltugboat> Mojo_Jojo_, use synaptic
[01:20] <s1x> is universe sid?
[01:21] <crimsun> s1x: no.
[01:21] <liberaltugboat> slx,  no
[01:21] <ogra> s1x: a recompiled snapshot of sid
[01:21] <Mojo_Jojo_> well I did the " sudo aptitude reinstall xmms
[01:21] <Mojo_Jojo_> " and that didnt work and yes before I uninstalled and reinstalled the other day and it still happend :(
[01:21] <liberaltugboat> Mojo_Jojo_, if you go into synaptic and search for xmms you can right click on it and select reinstall
[01:21] <sato___> Nothing Yet
[01:21] <Mojo_Jojo_> ahh ok
[01:22] <s1x> ogra: thx
[01:22] <sato___> The protocol ThinkingMouse makes crazy my mouse ^_^ and with MouseMan the Wheel Scrool doesn't work
[01:22] <Mojo_Jojo_> it still wont open :(
[01:22] <liberaltugboat> hmm
[01:23] <sato___> exist winMouse? XD
[01:23] <crimsun> sato___: MouseManPS/2 or MouseManPlusPS/2 ?
[01:23] <liberaltugboat> try apt-get remove --purge xmms
[01:23] <sato___> MouseManPlus
[01:23] <Mojo_Jojo_> ok
[01:23] <liberaltugboat> then apt-get install xmms
[01:23] <dle> I think I saw someone here say something about Webmin (from universe) misbehaving with Warty.  Does anyone know anything about that?
[01:23] <sato___> MouseManPlusPS/2 i mean
[01:23] <liberaltugboat> dle, webmin needs root
[01:23] <liberaltugboat> it wont work at all
[01:23] <liberaltugboat> unless you inable root
[01:24] <crimsun> sato___: I can't find any help, either. Looks like you may be out of luck.
[01:24] <liberaltugboat> sudo passwd root
[01:24] <dle> liberaltugboat: Oh yeah, that was it.  Not a big deal really.
[01:24] <kgill> ogra thank you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 worked
[01:24] <ogra> kgill: great ;)
[01:24] <sato___> Section "InputDevice"
[01:24] <sato___>         Identifier      "Configured Mouse"
[01:24] <sato___>         Driver          "mouse"
[01:24] <sato___>         Option          "Core Pointer"
[01:24] <sato___>         Option          "Device"                "/dev/input/mice"
[01:24] <sato___>         Option          "Protocol"              "MouseManPlusPS/2"
[01:24] <Mojo_Jojo_> liberaltugboat, it still doesnt open
[01:24] <sato___>         Option          "Emulate3Buttons"       "true"
[01:24] <sato___>         Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[01:24] <sato___> EndSection
[01:24] <kgill> buy, still having problems with the network
[01:24] <liberaltugboat> hmm
[01:25] <liberaltugboat> and it worked before?
[01:25] <Mojo_Jojo_> yes
[01:25] <sato___> perhaps that could help you
[01:25] <kgill> it will not save the info that I set in ifconfig
[01:25] <Mojo_Jojo_> it open once then froze and never open again
[01:25] <liberaltugboat> are you using warty or hoary?
[01:25] <Mojo_Jojo_> hoary
[01:25] <liberaltugboat> that might be the problem
[01:25] <Mojo_Jojo_> I had a fre probes with warty
[01:25] <Mojo_Jojo_> *few
[01:26] <liberaltugboat> might be a bug in hoary
[01:26] <ogra> kgill: tried the network tool ?
[01:26] <liberaltugboat> have you tried apt-get dist-upgrade?
[01:26] <kgill> ya and it comes up with one interfase that is ipv6
[01:26] <liberaltugboat> see if there is any updates
[01:26] <Mojo_Jojo_> not yet
[01:26] <kgill> set to lo "loopback"
[01:26] <Mojo_Jojo_> no new updates
[01:26] <ogra> kgill: and if you add one ?
[01:26] <dle> Why does synaptic show packages that don't have the Ubuntu icon in the second column, but whose versions are as 1.4.10 (Warty), forexample?
[01:27] <kgill> I have to do a ifconfig eth0 address for it to reconize it
[01:27] <liberaltugboat> you might want to check on bugzilla
[01:27] <liberaltugboat> see if anyone has reported problems with XMMS
[01:27] <liberaltugboat> and hoary
[01:27] <Mojo_Jojo_> ok will do...but now haha*newbie*
[01:27] <kgill> I can imput the ip, netmask and broadcat but not the dns
[01:27] <ogra> kgill: nope, there should pop up a wizzard if you click on add in the network tool
[01:28] <kgill> ok 1 sec
[01:28] <ogra> kgill: there is a extrs dns tab
[01:28] <ogra> extra
[01:28] <ogra> kgill: ....in the min window
[01:28] <ogra> main
[01:29] <kgill> under network tools, no add
[01:29] <ogra> kgill: in the computer menu
[01:30] <kgill> I have been using app-sys tools
[01:30] <TheStuff> back
[01:30] <ogra> kgill: computer->system configuration
[01:31] <ogra> ->network
[01:31] <Seq> does anybody know if there is any reason nautlius doesn't seem to utilize fam?
[01:31] <kgill> comp,sys conf, nenetwork will not launch
[01:31] <ogra> kgill: any error ?
[01:32] <kgill> nope :(
[01:32] <ogra> kgill: so you click it and nothing happens ?
[01:32] <TheStuff> i have bios fatal error after decompressing ubunto at the boot proccess, with an advice to turn "nobiospnp" , any comments guys ?
[01:32] <kgill> is there a location for error logs?
[01:33] <kgill> yup nothing happens
[01:33] <ogra> kgill: /var/log
[01:33] <ogra> kgill: are you using hoary ?
[01:33] <kgill> it just says starting  networking in the task bar and goes away
[01:33] <kgill> warty
[01:34] <ogra> kgill: or did you mess with you root account ?
[01:34] <Gnobody> hoary
[01:34] <Gnobody> ermmm....
[01:34] <kgill> I have done a sudo passwd root
[01:34] <ogra> kgill: ugh, why ?
[01:34] <Gnobody> whenever I hold down backspace or any key it only works once
[01:34] <ogra> bonobo: sudo kgill
[01:34] <bonobo> kgill: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:35] <kgill> trying to figure out why there is no root
[01:35] <kgill> just learned about the wiki today
[01:36] <kgill> what /var/log would give the error
[01:36] <ogra> kgill: so you may have messed up something....thats why your network tool doesnt start.....
[01:37] <kgill> ugh
[01:37] <ogra> kgill: the one from the tool ? probably the last lines in .xsession-errors in your home directory
[01:37] <lupus_> anyone ever used runit?
[01:37] <kgill> so then what is the duf. between user, su, sudo and root
[01:38] <ogra> kgill: see the url from the bonobo bot
[01:40] <ogra> night all
[01:40] <kgill> ok thankx ogra
[01:40] <ogra> ;)
[01:40] <TheStuff> night ogra
[01:40] <kgill> so them I am screwed on the network?
[01:40] <ogra> night bro
[01:41] <ogra> kgill: look at /etc/network/interfaces and see man interfaces, you have to do it manually
[01:41] <kgill> ok will do have a good night
[01:41] <ogra> night again
[01:53] <scoon> hello all
[01:58] <PorscheBoy> hey there's a bug in ubuntu that locks up the system if you're running AMD cpu and nVidia video card
[01:59] <Safari_Al> Anyone know of a way in warty to run a postinstall script (a la kickstart) in a chroot of the newly installed system?  Or is this tied up with the improvements that will come with hoary?
[01:59] <Kamion> Topic for #ubuntu: [...]  Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[01:59] <Kamion> Safari_Al: kickstart's a hoary target
[02:00] <fissy> arrg i logged into kde and its screwed up all my file associations
[02:00] <fissy> is there anyway to undo the hideous damage of having everything try to run in kaboodle and kwrite?
[02:00] <Safari_Al> Kamion, I'm not looking for kickstart specifically, but just a way I can run a script automatically after the install inside the installed system (chroot or otherwise)
[02:01] <Safari_Al> If it means I have to hack around something, that's fine.
[02:01] <natex> is this the main irc channel for ubuntu?
[02:03] <sladen> natex: yes
[02:03] <Kamion> Safari_Al: if you're remastering CDs anyway, you could edit the base-config .deb to add the script you want
[02:03] <PorscheBoy> anyone in here running AMD and NVidia?
[02:03] <natex> sladen: ok thanks.
[02:03] <[KrusheR] > hi
[02:03] <Seq> PorscheBoy: yup
[02:04] <liberaltugboat> amd nvidia right here!!!
[02:04] <[KrusheR] > i have a problem... i tried to installed warty warthog on my amd64 but the process halts in the partitioning step
[02:04] <Safari_Al> Kamion, what I am doing is netbooting and installing from a local mirror server.  So, if I need to modify a deb, base-config would be the best one for a post-install script?
[02:04] <PorscheBoy> Seq, r u having lock up problems?
[02:04] <[KrusheR] > may it be a phisical problem?
[02:05] <Seq> PorscheBoy: not at the moment, but i have in the past
[02:05] <Seq> PorscheBoy: although actually ubuntu isn't on that machine :p
[02:06] <PorscheBoy> lol...same here
[02:06] <PorscheBoy> right now i'm running WinServer2K3
[02:07] <Kamion> Safari_Al: yeah, it'd certainly be the one I'd go for, assuming you don't mind that your script won't run until after the first reboot
[02:07] <Seq> PorscheBoy: well i dont have windows installed on that machine when im out of school
[02:07] <Safari_Al> Kamion, I don't think that would pose a major problem.  Thanks for the pointer - most useful!
[02:08] <Kamion> Safari_Al: just a shame there wasn't time to get debian-installer preseeding into warty; it's in hoary but untested
[02:09] <[KrusheR] > help, anyone?
[02:09] <Phr0stByte> Has anyone here gotten Anjuta to do anything usefull under Ubuntu?
[02:09] <PorscheBoy> Seq, all u got is linux?
[02:10] <Seq> PorscheBoy: at the moment, yes
[02:10] <PorscheBoy> Seq, i see
[02:10] <Safari_Al> Kamion, Indeed.  I was trying things like FAI for automated installs, but they're very finnicky.  I think I'm just going to accept the status quo (need to do a postinstall script to bootstrap getupdates though).  Fortunately, 6 months is not really too long to wait.
[02:11] <PorscheBoy> Seq, r u using hoary or warty?
[02:12] <Seq> PorscheBoy: hoary on my notebook
[02:12] <Seq> PorscheBoy: i actually just installed it. i've been using gentoo for a while now
[02:12] <Seq> PorscheBoy: im going to step out for a second, be back in a bit
[02:12] <PorscheBoy> Seq, that's cool
[02:14] <arc_> hi all
[02:15] <arc_> does anybody knows why pmud crashes in my iBook, if I suspend the system, then it never wake up again anymore
[02:16] <Despair> Phr0stByte: it just hangs during startup for me.
[02:17] <Mark1> anyone here that could help me install java
[02:18] <zenwhen> Mark1, have you looked at this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198
[02:18] <scoon> Mark1: certainly
[02:19] <scoon> what's up
[02:19] <Mark1> actually, i installed version 1.4 and then came into a problem
[02:19] <scoon> Mark1: yes..
[02:19] <Mark1> because synaptic crashed
[02:19] <Mark1> so i can't uninstall it and try again
[02:19] <Mark1> any ideas?
[02:20] <arc_> Mark1: try to uninstall it using the command line
[02:21] <scoon> Mark1: try and open up a shell and: sudo apt-get remove what-ever-the-java-deb-you-tried
[02:21] <arc_> sudo apt-get remove --purge (whatever you want)
[02:21] <Mark1> i'll attempt to right now
[02:25] <Phr0stByte> Despare: LOL! You make me fell a bit better!
[02:25] <Phr0stByte> Despair: LOL! You make me fell a bit better!
[02:28] <Phr0stByte> Despair: I used it a lot under Mandrake - hope I can get it goin here
[02:32] <Tzigane> Hello =) I've recently installed Ubuntu after using Debian for a few years.. I'm developing in wx, and have a few sets of wx libs I use to build.. Now, when building, auto* is generating Makefiles that link with static .a libs, not the .so's I've been using
[02:33] <Tzigane> I'm fairly fuzzy on the whole autotools thing, not having put in the time to learn how they work (I just use them through Anjuta, mostly, which handles it all so I don't have to..)
[02:33] <Tzigane> So I'm getting errors like: g++: /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.a: No such file or directory
[02:33] <Phr0stByte> Tzigane: I'm surprised Anjuta is working for you
[02:34] <Tzigane> When I would be expecting it to link to /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.so
[02:34] <Phr0stByte> I cant get it goin
[02:34] <Tzigane> Really? Damn!  What's it doing?
[02:34] <Phr0stByte> It dosnt seem to find my SDL libs
[02:35] <FTTP> wow, new version of synaptic for hoary :)
[02:35] <FTTP> man you guys are quick, lots of new apps
[02:35] <Phr0stByte> though I point Anjuta directly to them
[02:35] <Tzigane> SDL libs, eh?  Why does it need those?
[02:35] <Tzigane> FTTP: They are, aren't they =)
[02:35] <Phr0stByte> always tells me "cant find SDL.h"
[02:35] <FTTP> tzigane:   I love hoary, no bugs so far either
[02:35] <Tzigane> When building?
[02:36] <FTTP> tzigane:  I havent found any yet to report ......
[02:36] <Phr0stByte> Tzigane: Its the API I am using
[02:36] <Gwildor> fttp, ne problems her either :)
[02:36] <Gwildor> wow cant type
[02:36] <Phr0stByte> Tzigane: Just like you are using wx
[02:36] <FTTP> gwildor yep did u get the new synaptic?
[02:36] <Gwildor> fttp, getting it right now
[02:36] <FTTP> gwildor:  kewl :)
[02:36] <Gwildor> going....now
[02:36] <Tzigane> Phr0stByte: Ah, yes... Damn, that's irritating
[02:36] <Tzigane> How did you guys install Hoary?
[02:37] <Tzigane> apt-get dist-upgrade, or from CD?
[02:37] <FTTP> tzigane:  Changed the text
[02:37] <FTTP> in that file
[02:37] <FTTP> for the servers
[02:37] <Gwildor> fttp, gonna take 10 mins for this upgrade........dsl
[02:37] <FTTP> gwildor:  What speed?
[02:37] <FTTP> im on 5MBPS
[02:37] <Gwildor> 163 kbs
[02:37] <FTTP> i can get up to 7MBPS HOWEVER my connection is spotty
[02:37] <Tzigane> Ah, I see..
[02:37] <FTTP> so i only pay for 5
[02:37] <FTTP> and get 5
[02:37] <Tzigane> So, why are there no installation cds yet?  Is Hoary like an 'unstable' debian?
[02:37] <Gwildor> gwildor, that is my dl speed atm
[02:37] <FTTP> not worth the extra 10 bucks
[02:37] <Mark1> hi, i was asking about java problems earlier
[02:38] <Mark1> went to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198
[02:38] <FTTP> tzigane:  ITs a development release
[02:38] <Mark1> but it didn't work.  the download was fine, and it installed correctly, but it just doesn't work
[02:38] <FTTP> tzigane there are isos out
[02:38] <FTTP> tzingane you can get the iso too if you want
[02:38] <Tzigane> FTTP: Okay =)  And usable, obviously... Hmmmm... Might dist-upgrade to it
[02:38] <FTTP> tzigane:  i fergot the link tho
[02:38] <Tzigane> What's new?
[02:38] <natex> Mark1: how so?
[02:38] <Gwildor> fttp, how much you pay, cuz the PRO edition here (3mbps) is like 45.00 bucks
[02:39] <Mark1> well, i downloaded it to /home/ubuntu/desktop
[02:39] <jeld> hello all
[02:39] <FTTP> gwildor:  i dunno cause i get it with cabletv
[02:39] <Mark1> and did the command in a terminal window
[02:39] <FTTP> its like 70 a month with catv or something
[02:39] <Mark1> then, went to pjm.com (because i know they use java) and nothing works
[02:39] <Mark1> (with respect to java)
[02:39] <Gwildor> fttp, hh, dont pay the bills i see, lol, wish i was that care free
[02:39] <scoon> Mark1: what version of java do you want to run
[02:39] <Mark1> i was wondering if i overlooked anything
[02:39] <jeld> a quick question, how do I make gnome-session export a few needed environment variables?
[02:40] <Mark1> i am fairly new to linux ....
[02:40] <FTTP> gwildor yes i pay the bills
[02:40] <scoon> Mark1: cuz if you want, you could just run one of the free sdk
[02:40] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: build engineers!
[02:40] <FTTP> gwildor it comes right out of my online billpay each month <Grin>
[02:40] <scoon> Mark1: like blackdown
[02:40] <Mark1> yeah, i tried that earlier
[02:40] <scoon> Mark1: and ?
[02:40] <jeld> basically I want the environment from .bashrc to be exported to all applications
[02:40] <Mark1> but synaptic froze and i had to kill the session
[02:40] <Gwildor> fttp, hmmm, i apologize then, oh, on a budget here, i know what i pay, sorry
[02:40] <Mark1> so then i tried to uninstall it and it gave me an error
[02:41] <Mark1> saying to reinstall it
[02:41] <Mark1> and that of course, didn't work either
[02:41] <FTTP> gwildor:  where are you located?
[02:41] <scoon> Mark1: and what was the error ?
[02:41] <FTTP> gwildor:  Verizon 3/768 is 29.95
[02:41] <Gwildor> fttp, michigan, south east
[02:41] <Mark1> it just said to reinstall it
[02:41] <Gwildor> fttp, USA
[02:41] <FTTP> gwildor who is your telco?
[02:41] <Mark1> but if you try to install it again, it says it can't
[02:41] <Gwildor> fttp, sbc
[02:41] <scoon> Mark1: becuase ?
[02:41] <FTTP> gwildor:  you use sbc dsl?
[02:41] <FTTP> sbc dsl is cheap
[02:42] <Ninko> hi all
[02:42] <Mark1> let me get the exact wording
[02:42] <Mark1> here is one:  dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[02:42] <Mark1> so i did that manually and it had no effect
[02:42] <Mark1> other than allowing you to get into synaptic without an error
[02:42] <Gwildor> fttp, yup, i had comcast broadband, but it went up to 60 bucks, sbc is only 19.99, and i get like a constant 1.5mbps, rarly 2mbps
[02:42] <scoon> Mark1: what if you type java -version
[02:42] <Tzigane> So anyone have any idea about my .a/.so problem?
[02:43] <jeld> Tzigane, whats the problem?
[02:43] <FTTP> gwildor yep 19.99
[02:43] <Ninko> is it difficult to install KDE on ubuntu and uninstall GNOME? is it advisable? (i'd like to see what KDE has to offer in comparison to GNOME)
[02:43] <FTTP> gwildor so why $45 ? :P
[02:43] <Mark1> "command not found"
[02:43] <Kamion> Tzigane: for installation CDs, look for "Subject: Array CD 1" in the ubuntu-users mailing list archives
[02:43] <scoon> Mark1: try sudo apt-get check
[02:43] <FTTP> gwildor:  SBC yahoo is 26.95
[02:44] <FTTP> verizon now 29.99 tho
[02:44] <Riddell> Ninko: very advisable :)
[02:44] <FTTP> for me
[02:44] <Gwildor> fttp, i got a deal, i have that deal for 9 more months
[02:44] <Mark1> yes, did that about 30 minutes ago but i'll try again
[02:44] <FTTP> gwildor:  Kewl
[02:44] <Riddell> Ninko: sudo apt-get install kdebase
[02:44] <Ninko> what of gdm then?
[02:44] <Gwildor> fttp, de we get verison fiber yet?
[02:44] <Tzigane> jeld: I've recently installed Ubuntu after using Debian for a few years.. I'm developing in wx, and have a few sets of wx libs I use to build.. Now, when building, auto* is generating Makefiles that link with static .a libs, not the .so's I've been using
[02:44] <FTTP> gwildor:  im waiting for 30MBPS fios for $199
[02:44] <Tzigane> jeld: So I'm getting errors like: g++: /usr/local/wx-2.5.2/gtk/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.5.a: No such file or directory =)
[02:44] <FTTP> gwildor:  Not yet :(
[02:44] <Tzigane> Kamion: Thanks =)
[02:44] <Mark1> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[02:45] <FTTP> gwildor:  we have RCN fiber to the building here
[02:45] <Gwildor> fttp, youd pay that?   , wish i could afford it
[02:45] <FTTP> my apartment is coaxial
[02:45] <Riddell> Ninko: stick with gdm for now, it has nice eyecandy (only in KDE CVS with kdm)
[02:45] <Mark1> so i type that in
[02:45] <FTTP> gwildor:  I would.... if it was available...... a t1 line is $450 a month
[02:45] <Tzigane> Kamion: So what're the differences in packages between hoary and warty?  Anything dramatically different?
[02:45] <Gwildor> fttp, yeah, my high school had fiber,
[02:45] <jeld> Tzigane, may sound stupid, but did you check the compile and configure output for any messages regarding building dynamic libraries (.so)
[02:45] <Mark1> and apparently need superuser privilege
[02:45] <FTTP> gwildor:  If I paid for a fiber line to the basement i could have fiber :)
[02:45] <Mark1> but how do i do that?
[02:46] <Ninko> ok....i've heard that KDE is bloated etc....why would ubuntu use GNOME as its default desktop manager? (i know this is probably in the faq but you can probably explain it better = ) )
[02:46] <Mark1> (i'm really new to linux)
[02:46] <FTTP> gwildor well technically speaking, but not realistically
[02:46] <Mark1> so if this is baby stuff, i'll get someone to help me
[02:46] <Gwildor> fttp, i was gonna say
[02:46] <jeld> Tzigane, I presume, that you built the wx libs yourself
[02:46] <Mark1> i really don't want to seem like a moron
[02:46] <Tzigane> jeld: Yep =)
[02:46] <KneelBeforeXorg> Ninko: did you notice that it's tied to the six-month gnome release cycle?
[02:46] <Gwildor> fttp, maybe a fiber line to the neighbors
[02:46] <Tzigane> jeld: And it used to work with my old Debian setup
[02:46] <scoon> Mark1: we all started from somehere
[02:46] <Tzigane> jeld: Now, I've had to build a static version
[02:46] <Mark1> thanks
[02:46] <FTTP> gwildor:  most cable modem cos are mostly fiber anyways tho
[02:46] <Riddell> Ninko: Gnome has done good work in terms of cleaning up user interfaces and taking away choices from users, KDE's user interfaces are too complex and give lots of choices to users
[02:46] <Kamion> Tzigane: new merges from Debian sid that are about three months newer than the ones in Warty; X.org; GNOME 2.9; various other bits and pieces
[02:46] <Mark1> scoon:  so any suggestions with this java??
[02:47] <scoon> Mark1: just use sudo before any apt or dpkg commands
[02:47] <jeld> Tzigane, so, anything interesting there? configure output should at least say something regarding if it is going to build dynamic libs
[02:47] <Mark1> thats right...
[02:47] <Tzigane> Kamion: Xorg?  Oh, baby... It's in there now?
[02:47] <Kamion> Tzigane: yep, a week or two ago
[02:47] <OWN3D> Tzigane: welcome to 2 weeks ago
[02:47] <Tzigane> jeld: Yeah, it does say in configure 'checking whether to build static libraries... yes'
[02:47] <Kamion> Tzigane: it's not that exciting from an end-user point of view though
[02:48] <Tzigane> Well, it is with xcompmgr running
[02:48] <Ninko> Riddell: already I am liking KDE...I like complicated and complex interfaces with too many options
[02:48] <OWN3D> yes it is
[02:48] <Tzigane> Well, as far as eyecandy goes anyway
[02:48] <Kamion> Tzigane: most of the magic composite wizardry hasn't been written yet
[02:48] <scoon> Mark1: first thing, what is the name of the java package that you were trying to install
[02:48] <Tzigane> Kamion: But a lot of it has =)
[02:48] <Mark1> well, i did one via synaptic version 1.4
[02:48] <Kamion> Tzigane: don't think we have xcompmgr in hoary yet, although an unofficial package is lying around somewhere
[02:48] <jeld> Tzigane, OK, so it builds static libraries and your software is trying to use them but doesn't find them right?
[02:48] <Mark1> someone was talking me through it so i have no clue
[02:48] <FTTP> i may switch to verizon dsl tho.......
[02:48] <Tzigane> Yeah, it's quite easy to build too
[02:48] <scoon> Mark1: and the name of it ?
[02:48] <FTTP> if fiber doesnt come
[02:48] <Tzigane> jeld: It looks like it, yeah
[02:48] <FTTP> who knows
[02:49] <Mark1> scoon: i think it was something like j2se
[02:49] <Mark1> or j2re
[02:49] <Tzigane> jeld: or something else doesn't exist that it needs to do so
[02:49] <jeld> Tzigane, is the file there or not? I presume it is not
[02:49] <scoon> Mark1: well that dpkg --configure -a needs a package name after it.  that is why when you run it nothing happens.
[02:49] <Tzigane> jeld: Or rather, I wanna build dynamically, using the .so's.. and it's falling back to the .a's
[02:49] <Tzigane> jeld: It isn't
[02:49] <scoon> Mark1: type this: man dpkg
[02:49] <Tzigane> jeld: Just the .so version
[02:49] <scoon> Mark1: built in directions
[02:49] <Mark1> thanks
[02:49] <Ninko> thanks for the infos
[02:49] <FTTP> synaptic is an awesome tool
[02:50] <scoon> Mark1: also, in synaptic
[02:50] <Mark1> scoon: i know i can go into synaptic and do a search
[02:50] <scoon> Mark1: under edit, pick fix broken pakcages
[02:50] <FTTP> synaptic works great just needs to be easier for a newbie
[02:50] <scoon> Mark1: maybe that will help you along
[02:50] <Mark1> scoon: tried that already, and there were no problems
[02:50] <FTTP> its kinda confusing at first
[02:50] <Mark1> scoon: also, i followed directions from page  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198
[02:51] <FTTP> its only .56 tho :)
[02:51] <scoon> Mark1: then what i'd do, is what I have done.
[02:51] <Mark1> scoon: i'm assuming it's a problem because i copied the file i downloaded to /home/ubuntu/desktop
[02:51] <Mark1> and never moved it.  i did the command when it was in that directory
[02:51] <Mark1> should i have moved it somewehre?
[02:51] <jeld> Tzigane, OK, number one, do you have /usr/bin/ar
[02:51] <jeld> Tzigane, number two, does your program use autoconf to generate Makefiles?
[02:52] <scoon> Mark1: and i did the same thing as on those pages, except that i put it in my own users directory.
[02:52] <jeld> anyone about my gnome-session problem?
[02:52] <Tzigane> jeld: 1: yes, 2: yes it does
[02:52] <lupus_> how do I get info about an installed package?
[02:52] <Tzigane> jeld: Thanks, by the way =)
[02:52] <scoon> Mark1: open a shell and type $PATH
[02:52] <FTTP> I have a question, lets say a new synaptic is released, does it automatically get placed on the server or does it have to be approved?
[02:52] <Mark1> ok, let me see if i can do that
[02:52] <FTTP> for development ubuntu i mean
[02:52] <scoon> Mark1: do you see /usr/local
[02:52] <Kamion> Mark1: make that 'echo $PATH'
[02:53] <jeld> Tzigane, OK, can you check your programs Makefile and paste your CFLAGS and LDFLAGS
[02:53] <scoon> Kamion: $PATH works just fine
[02:53] <Tzigane> jeld: Not sure about the gnome-session stuff... Tricky
[02:53] <Mark1> Kamion:  here is what i get  /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
[02:53] <scoon> "echo" is implied
[02:53] <Kamion> scoon: no it's not
[02:53] <jeld> Tzigane, I know, thats why I am asking :)
[02:53] <scoon> Kamion: try and see
[02:53] <Kamion> scoon: you get an error message that happens to include it, but echo is most certainly not implied
[02:54] <Mark1> scoon:  without 'echo'  bash: /usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[02:54] <scoon> Mark1: eh
[02:54] <scoon> Mark1: not a biggy
[02:54] <Mark1> let me check some stuff first
[02:54] <Tzigane> jeld: Is it worth putting it in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default ?
[02:54] <FTTP> Kamion:  keep up the great work :)
[02:55] <Kamion> scoon: typing just $PATH at a shell means "please expand the environment variable PATH and attempt to execute the result as a command"
[02:55] <fissy> just noticed that if you choose to write an iso to a rewriteable disc using nautilus right click menu, it doesn't ask a question "overwrite" if there is already data on the disc. should that be reported to someone?
[02:55] <FTTP> farruinn hi
[02:55] <scoon> Kamion: yes I know that.  but for someone who is new to linux, does it really matter.
[02:56] <Tzigane> jeld:  http://wiki.wxwidgets.org/paste.cgi?id=683
[02:56] <FTTP> fissy:  file it in bugzilla if you wish
[02:56] <FTTP> farruinn you the one in queens i spoke to before?
[02:56] <scoon> Kamion: i didn't think that i did.  the poor guy doesn't know that his java is not in his path.  why should i clutter his problems with more things ?
[02:57] <Kamion> scoon: sure, I'm just advocating correct shell
[02:57] <farruinn> FTTP, sorry, don't think so
[02:57] <fissy> i'm off to bed, but will make a note to do it tomorrow
[02:57] <FTTP> farruinn:  are you in manhattan?
[02:57] <Kamion> scoon: (since I spend much of my time battling incorrect shell)
[02:57] <FTTP> farruinn:  In in Queens
[02:57] <farruinn> no, many many miles north of there
[02:57] <scoon> Kamion: well in a pinch i just use $PATH without even thinking about it.
[02:57] <FTTP> oh
[02:57] <usual> FTTP, I'm in Albany
[02:57] <usual> :)
[02:57] <farruinn> You must be thinking of someone else =)
[02:57] <FTTP> i saw twcnyc
[02:57] <Kamion> scoon: that's very odd practice :)
[02:57] <scoon> Kamion: understood.
[02:58] <FTTP> oops
[02:58] <FTTP> syracase
[02:58] <usual> I'm nycap.rr.com
[02:58] <farruinn> yeah, I have time warner cable internet, that's what that's all about
[02:58] <FTTP> err syracuse
[02:58] <scoon> Kamion: not really.  just few key strokes.
[02:58] <FTTP> my eyes are bad
[02:58] <jeld> Tzigane, interesting, you do not have any LDFLAGs, and from what I understand, you need to pass something like -lwx to make your executables dynamicaly link to wx libs
[02:58] <FTTP> i thought i saw twc, it was tw
[02:58] <Tzigane> jeld: It is sorta odd, huh
[02:58] <FTTP> farruinn:  Time Warner Roadrunner is good stuff
[02:58] <Kamion> scoon: call me a pedant if you like, but I prefer valid commands to intentional errors. :-)
[02:58] <FTTP> farruinn:  Should be upgraded to 5000/512 :)
[02:58] <Kamion> (they tend to work more often, too)
[02:59] <FTTP> very soon
[02:59] <jeld> Tzigane, can you paste the whole Makefile, so I can take a look and see if I can find something?
[02:59] <scoon> Kamion: sure, sure.  this was such a trivial thing.
[02:59] <Tzigane> jeld: Absolutely, one minute
[02:59] <farruinn> cool, didn't know about tha
[02:59] <farruinn> t
[02:59] <FTTP> farruinn:  It started in california, but it should expand nationally
[02:59] <[KrusheR] > hi
[03:00] <FTTP> farruinn:  i dont know when tho
[03:00] <FTTP> but soon i hear
[03:00] <lupus_> drwxr-s---   2 root   dip         96 2004-11-15 22:37 chatscripts
[03:01] <lupus_> s ???
[03:01] <FTTP> so what are the ubuntu developers working on today ? :)
[03:01] <FTTP> i have to join the mailing lists
[03:01] <lupus_> what is that kind of premission>
[03:01] <Kamion> FTTP: I'm not sure any two of us are working on the same thing right now. :)
[03:01] <[KrusheR] > i have a problem it the partitioning step...
[03:01] <[KrusheR] > it halts with no reason at 58 percent :S
[03:02] <Ninko> how do i set kde as the default (instead of gnome)? (if i just asked this question, my XChat died before I could see a response)
[03:02] <jeld> Tzigane, BTW, I am not sure, but check your wx install dir for any autoconf/automake related files, it might have installed some and I am not sure if your autotools find them
[03:02] <crimsun> lupus_: not sure what you're asking. The directory is sgid
[03:03] <Tzigane> It does have a few, but those usually show up
[03:03] <Gwildor> Ninko, at the log in screen
[03:03] <Ninko> ah, okay
[03:03] <Ninko> use a different session manager, gotcha
[03:03] <Tzigane> There's definitely something that's changed outside of that directory, because it worked wellb efore
[03:03] <Ninko> (sorry i'm such a n0000000000000bie)
[03:03] <Riddell> Ninko: there should be an option for the default desktop environment at the log in screen
[03:04] <crack> whaddup
[03:04] <jeld> Tzigane, then they should contain some macros for wxTK to properly setup all the flags. Might be a good idea to use them. I am downloading the source for wxGTK now
[03:04] <Tzigane> Hmm, okay
[03:04] <jeld> Tzigane, that was wxGTK
[03:06] <Tzigane> May it be the path of least resistance to just build the .a's?
[03:07] <jeld> Tzigane, OK, but you are gonna get huge executables :) Then you should take a look at the compile log and see why it fails to build static libs
[03:07] <Tzigane> Hehe yeah..
[03:07] <Tzigane> The compile log?  Doesn't say much, just tries to link to the .a's and fails
[03:08] <jeld> Tzigane, you transfered your wxTK install from your debian system right?
[03:09] <jeld> Tzigane, did you try to ldd your wx .so files to see if all the dependancies are there?
[03:09] <kbreit> What is the default password in Ubuntu?  I don't remember setting it.
[03:10] <GotD0t> how do i change the default sound device in ubuntu?
[03:10] <Gwildor> your user pass
[03:10] <Gwildor> kbreit,  your user pass
[03:10] <jeld> kbreit, it is disabled by default, you are supposed to use sudo to do administration
[03:10] <Tzigane> jeld: Good idea =)
[03:10] <Gmail> GotD0t: Got r00t?
[03:10] <Tzigane>         libXinerama.so.1 => not found
[03:10] <Tzigane>         libXxf86vm.so.1 => not found
[03:10] <GotD0t> does anybody know how i cange the default device for sound?
[03:11] <jeld> Tzigane, you wanna recompile your wxGTK and be done with it? ;)
[03:11] <Tzigane> jeld:  Perhaps =)
[03:11] <kbreit> jeld: I would do just "sudo command"?
[03:11] <KneelBeforeXorg> kbreit: yes
[03:11] <jeld> kbreit, yup, it is gonna ask you for a password, enter your user password
[03:11] <kbreit> jeld: Yeah, it says "cd: command not found"
[03:12] <KneelBeforeXorg> kbreit: cd is a shell builtin
[03:12] <jeld> kbreit, cd is not a command, it is a shell builtin
[03:12] <KneelBeforeXorg> alas, you cannot sudo cd
[03:12] <kbreit> Oh okay, I see.
[03:12] <jeld> kbreit, if you want to do this, you might wanna sudo bash :)
[03:13] <jeld> kbreit, albeit it is a bit silly
[03:13] <KneelBeforeXorg> eh
[03:13] <KneelBeforeXorg> don't sudo bash
[03:13] <KneelBeforeXorg> just sudo ls the dir
[03:13] <KneelBeforeXorg> and then use full paths if you can
[03:13] <jeld> KneelBeforeXorg, I don't think permissions on any directory on the system wouldn't let him look into it (besides /root)
[03:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> jeld: are you sure about that?  what about stuff like in /var/spool/exim?
[03:14] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, your nick is a bit excessive....
[03:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> jg__: thanks!  Yours is rather unimpressive, truth be told!
[03:14] <kbreit> How can I install the VMWare tools on Linux if I don't have the CD?
[03:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> jg__: were jg and jg_ taken?
[03:14] <jeld> KneelBeforeXorg, not sure, exim is not installed by default and I don't use it
[03:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> jeld: aha
[03:14] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, something like that.
[03:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> jeld: lots of stuff in /var tends to be locked down
[03:15] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, and jg is my traditional login.
[03:15] <Tzigane> jeld: Okay, back soon =) Thanks for the help.. I'm gunna just rebuild
[03:15] <GotD0t> ok... i hate to ask again, but does anybody know how to set the default sound device? because all my sounds go to a device that doesnt have speakers hooked up
[03:15] <KneelBeforeXorg> that's where I end up doing most of my growling at "cd: permission denied" screens
[03:15] <jeld> kbreit, for the sake of the argument, if you know what you are doing you might enable root password and use su
[03:15] <KneelBeforeXorg> jg__: jg wouldn't stand for Jor-El, would it?
[03:16] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, nope.
[03:16] <KneelBeforeXorg> in that case, KNEEL BEFORE XORG!
[03:16] <GotD0t> does anybody even get my messages?\
[03:16] <jeld> kbreit, but vmware tools can be installed using sudo, by doing something like tar -xzf /media/floppy0/<whatever the file name is> and then running sudo <installer script>
[03:16] <KneelBeforeXorg> GotD0t: we seeyou
[03:16] <KneelBeforeXorg> GotD0t: me, I have no idea
[03:17] <GotD0t> then a little acknowledgement of my existence would be kind
[03:17] <kbreit> jeld: I don't have the CD or floppy, that's the thing.
[03:17] <mercurus> hmm ... anyone here used the tpb package ? ThinkPad Button enabling
[03:17] <kbreit> jeld: I downloaded the demo.
[03:17] <farruinn> GotD0t, the best advice I have is to read the alsa doc
[03:17] <mercurus> GotD0t, which device IS sound going through ?
[03:18] <scoon> GotD0t: if you are using alsa have you looked here: http://www.alsa-project.org/
[03:18] <jeld> kbreit, when you choose the "Install vmware tools" from the menu it is going to emulate CDROM and mount it on something like /media/cdrom0 or something
[03:18] <jeld> kbreit, you should see an icon appear on the desktop (not sure, might not work)
[03:18] <GotD0t> mercurus: the one built into my mobo... i would like it to go to my audigy, which is fully detected and working through apps that let me explicitly set device output
[03:19] <mercurus> GotD0t, ok, for a start reboot into the BIOS and disable the on-board sound there
[03:19] <GotD0t> mercurus: its not on there
[03:19] <mercurus> secondly, you'll need to blacklist the ALSA modules that the kernel is loading to support the on-board sound
[03:20] <GotD0t> mercurus: but my audigy uses alsa...
[03:20] <mercurus> GotD0t, yes ... you only blacklist the modules it is loading for _the on borad sound_
[03:20] <scoon> GotD0t: http://www.alsa-project.org/  <-- all of your answers are there.
[03:20] <jeld> damn, am I the only one missing my environment vars in gnome-session?!
[03:21] <kbreit> How do I get Ubuntu into a console only (ie. no X) session?
[03:21] <mercurus> kbreit, reboot it and choose the rescue image from GRUB's menu
[03:22] <natex> hat is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[03:22] <natex> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[03:22] <natex> shoot. sorry
[03:22] <kbreit> mercurus: So there's no way to do ctrl+alt+f2 or whatnot?
[03:23] <jeld> kbreit, ALT-CTRL-F1, then /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:23] <Kamion> kbreit: sure, just do it
[03:23] <kbreit> It's not working.
[03:23] <mercurus> kbreit, there is, yes ... but you'll still have X running
[03:23] <jeld> kbreit, what is not working?
[03:24] <Kamion> if ctrl-alt-f1 doesn't work then something is very badly wrong with your X server
[03:24] <Kamion> if it doesn't work after X has started, that is
[03:24] <jeld> anyone knows a decent GNOME2 FICS client?
[03:24] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, I don't kneel before anyone.  My history with X goes back a ways, long before X.org.
[03:25] <crimsun> :)
[03:25] <KneelBeforeXorg> This has nothing to do with X11
[03:25] <KneelBeforeXorg> this is about XORG
[03:25] <KneelBeforeXorg> the escaped criminal from Krypton
[03:25] <jeld> jg__, kneel before vt100 then, old man :)
[03:25] <NJperson> Hi All. Anyone available to help with getting a Xircom 10/100 PCMCIA Card to work with Ubuntu
[03:25] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, ok, I get half a clue.
[03:25] <KneelBeforeXorg> jeld: kneel before ASR-33, punk
[03:25] <natex> Does Ubuntu install Kernel sources by default?
[03:26] <kbreit> Oh i got it.
[03:26] <crimsun> natex: linux-source-2.6.8.1. And no.
[03:26] <scoon> natex: no, no kernel sources.
[03:26] <jeld> KneelBeforeXorg, :) :) :)
[03:26] <natex> ok thanks both
[03:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahahaha
[03:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> jeld: http://www.i-mockery.com/stickers/zod-sticker.gif
[03:26] <natex> I found them with the package manager
[03:26] <jg__> jeld, yup, guilty as charged; I've even used vt100's....
[03:27] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, I think I finally got rid of my h19 a while back.
[03:27] <Kamion> "goes back a ways" - heh, understatement
[03:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> ooooh
[03:28] <jg__> KneelBeforeXorg, I've used ASR-33's too...
[03:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah, I have as well
[03:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> noisy damn things
[03:29] <GotD0t> thats for the site scoon
[03:29] <scoon> GotD0t: you bet.  that site has given me 5.1 surround.  i love it.
[03:30] <jeld> KneelBeforeXorg, I was in a different country, back than, so my first involvement was with 0010
[03:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> sorry, I'm strictly UFT-8 now
[03:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> UTF
[03:31] <GotD0t> scoon: i already have 5.1 surround for XMMS, but thats because it lets you set the output device for it specifically. but i just need to tell my system to use the audigy for eveyrthing else as well
[03:31] <Kamion> KneelBeforeXorg: that looked like UTF-8 to me
[03:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> hmmm
[03:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> maybe my screen session is too old
[03:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> dammit
[03:32] <Ninko> so let me get this straight....why do people actually use gnome? :-[
[03:32] <Ninko> they enjoy the simplicity?
[03:32] <Kamion> KneelBeforeXorg: try 'C-a :utf8 on'?
[03:32] <jeld> and also this beast http://phantom.sannata.ru/konkurs/iskra1030m.shtml
[03:32] <debonzi> hi all, does anybody knows about any issue with the audio card "ATI Technologies Inc IXP150 AC'97 Audio Controller"?
[03:32] <Ninko> (sorry for bringing up the tired debate, but i just want infos)
[03:32] <GotD0t> ATI makes sound?
[03:32] <housetier> Ninko what you need the info for?
[03:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> Kamion: didn't help
[03:32] <Ninko> just wondering :)
[03:32] <jeld> Ninko, why people use GNOME as opposed to?
[03:32] <kbreit> jeld: VMware is saying my kernel headers  (2.6.8.1) don't match my running kernel (2.6.8.1-3-386).  How do I fix this?
[03:32] <Kamion> KneelBeforeXorg: suggests the terminal it's running in isn't UTF-8 then ...
[03:32] <Ninko> as opposed to KDE
[03:32] <debonzi> GotD0t, seams to.. but is not working
[03:33] <housetier> Ninko do you expect honest answers?
[03:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> Kamion: it sure is
[03:33] <Ninko> hahaha
[03:33] <Ninko> well, nevermind
[03:33] <jg__> Ninko, some of us old farts have stopped likeing to mess around with thier systems, and want one that works well in the first place....
[03:33] <Ninko> hmmmm
[03:33] <Ninko> ok
[03:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> Ninko: we run it to entertain little trolls
[03:33] <jeld> kbreit, did you install kernel source using apt or manualy?
[03:33] <seek187> lol
[03:33] <Ninko> hahahah
[03:33] <kbreit> jeld: apt.
[03:33] <jeld> kbreit, which package?
[03:33] <Ninko> i ain't trollin'! i am just a n00b
[03:34] <mercurus> troll.
[03:34] <Ninko> :-D
[03:34] <jeld> kbreit, all you should need is the linux-headers package
[03:34] <housetier> Ninko in that case, the only sensible answer is: try and see for yourself
[03:34] <kbreit> jeld: I did linux-headers-2.6-386, linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 and linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[03:34] <Ninko> ah, thank you
[03:35] <kbreit> jeld: Also linux-kernel-headers
[03:35] <Kamion> linux-kernel-headers is strictly for internal use by glibc
[03:35] <kbreit> Yeah, well it was already installed.
[03:35] <Kamion> it's really misnamed, should've been glibc-kernel-headers
[03:36] <Ninko> now another question: how long would it take to compile a kernel on a 1.6 ghz pentium 4?
[03:37] <jeld> Ninko, personaly, I used KDE for quite a while, and there are good and bad things about both GNOME and KDE. Currently I use GNOMe because that seems to be the officialy supported desktop environment in ubuntu
[03:37] <Ninko> ok
[03:37] <kbreit> jeld: There is no "linux-headers" package.
[03:37] <Kamion> kbreit: linux-headers-2.6-386 should do fine
[03:37] <jeld> kbreit, yes, I meant the one with the version number
[03:37] <Ninko> both are cool
[03:37] <Ninko> you are cool, guys
[03:38] <kbreit> Yeah, that's what I'm specifying.  When it asks for the path of the headers I give it /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3/include and it says it's not the right kernel version.
[03:38] <jeld> kbreit, don't rightly know what to say, it worked for my nvidia module
[03:40] <jeld> kbreit, does uname -r show the right version?
[03:41] <kbreit> uname shows 2.6.8.1-3-386
[03:41] <jeld> kbreit, OK, I think I know what is going on, it seems that vmware is not checking the headers version properly
[03:41] <kbreit> jeld: I was wondering if that was the problem.  Is there a file which holds the version that I can edit?
[03:42] <Rob|Linux> Intel or AMd ?
[03:42] <kbreit> Rob|Linux: Are you asking me?
[03:42] <jeld> kbreit, just to make sure cat /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386/include/linux/version.h
[03:42] <Rob|Linux> general :)
[03:43] <kbreit> jeld: UTS_RELEASE "2.6.8.1-3-386"
[03:44] <jeld> kbreit, are you using any flags to tell it where to look for the headers? try the path with full version number
[03:44] <kbreit> jeld: No, it's part of a script where it asks me what path.
[03:45] <kbreit> jeld: No args and when I specify the dir, I specify the dir with the 2.6.8.1-3 stuff, so I have version numbers.
[03:45] <jeld> kbreit, you said that you gave it a short version of the path, give it the long version with -3-386 in the end
[03:45] <kbreit> jeld: I did that too
[03:45] <kbreit> jeld: Oh, I guess I didn't, it works now *sigh*
[03:45] <kbreit> Tried everything except 386, I had -3
[03:46] <jeld> kbreit, I suppose that it is stupid enough that instead of using the KERNEL_VERSION macro, it goes by the directory name :)
[03:46] <jeld> kbreit, very silly of vmware
[03:47] <smo> Curious, vmware shouldn't have to ask?  I'd have expected it to be recent enough to follow the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build symlink
[03:47] <kbreit> jeld: Doesn't gdm exist in ctrl+alt+f7?
[03:48] <farruinn> kbreit, I've never known it to exist anywhere else
[03:48] <kbreit> jeld: Because I start gdm on the console and it kicks me back to the console.
[03:49] <kbreit> VMware screwed with my X :/
[03:49] <jeld> kbreit, it should by default be on tty7, but you have to check if it is at all running and if it spawned the X server as it should. Sometimes it gets confused and doesn't respawn right away
[03:49] <natex> so kbreit.. did you get the right dir for VMware (the headers that is)?
[03:50] <kbreit> jeld: Well, it tries to load X then kicks back to console, lather rinse repeat 3 times.
[03:50] <kbreit> natex: Yeah, the dir name was wrong, VMware detects it crappily.
[03:50] <jeld> smo, I think they are not quite up-to-date in the 2.6 world
[03:51] <natex> kbreit: can you print the dir you used to make it right? (I am working on the same problem).
[03:51] <jeld> kbreit, stop gdm, and try to start X manualy, check the logs and find out what the problem is
[03:51] <jeld> natex, /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`
[03:51] <kbreit> Yes, that would work.
[03:52] <natex> ok thanks
[03:52] <kbreit> Okay, it can't open input device for Mouse1.
[03:53] <jeld> kbreit, check out the XF86Config and change the mouse device to the correct one (/dev/input/mice for usb and /dev/psaux for PS/2)
[03:53] <jeld> kbreit, vmware is very slpppy about how it changes the X config, check out the original and import all the nice stuff like font paths
[03:55] <kbreit> Ahh okay, there you go.
[03:55] <jeld> drats!!! I found where the environment should be setup in gnome session, it just isn't! gotta file a bug
[03:55] <kbreit> jeld: Yeah, VMWare doesn't seem to detect this type of thing.
[03:56] <jeld> kbreit, on a real system it is MUCH easier, it is just that vmware doesn't seem to be very considerate about a few things
[03:57] <jeld> kbreit, I installed ubuntu warty on both my work and home systems and in both cases it went without a single hickup
[03:57] <kbreit> jeld: I've been using Linux for 5 years, so I know it shouldn't be this hard.  I did attribute it to VMWare and not Ubuntu by the way.
[03:57] <jeld> kbreit, cool
[03:58] <jeld> kbreit, I installed a few different distros in vmware, but I didn't do ubuntu, so I couldn't provide you with all the info at once :)
[03:58] <kbreit> jeld: They don't officially support Ubuntu, IIRC.
[03:59] <kbreit> jeld: Does Ubuntu have the packages to do DVD playback?
[03:59] <jeld> kbreit, well, it doesn't always work right away even with distros they support, but for those they have FAQs and manuals
[04:00] <kbreit> jeld: Also, will a Linux distro in VMWare see the file system which are on the host system?
[04:00] <jeld> kbreit, short version is NO, due to some legal issues with DeCSS libs, but there are a couple of sources you can add which will have all the needed stuff
[04:00] <jeld> kbreit, what version of vmware?
[04:01] <kbreit> jeld: 4.5.2
[04:01] <jeld> kbreit, you will need to "share" your host file system somehwre in the preferences, and mount it, I don't recall the exact mount command, but I think it shows up as an SMB volume
[04:02] <kbreit> jeld: Okay.  I want to be able to hit up my music.
[04:03] <socomm> Yo, any  girls here!
[04:03] <socomm> :^))
[04:03] <jeld> kbreit, I think what happens is that vmware runs a private samba server and when you share a directory on your host FS it will add it to samba shares. Your sound is not gonna be that great though, after all this is an emulated sound card
[04:04] <kbreit> jeld: Also, does Ubuntu use HAL?
[04:04] <socomm> kbreit: HAL?
[04:04] <kbreit> socomm: Hardware Something Layer
[04:05] <socomm> Abstraction.
[04:05] <kbreit> Oh yeah, that's it.
[04:05] <usual> abstraction
[04:05] <usual> heh
[04:05] <usual> doh
[04:05] <jeld> kbreit, yes it does
[04:06] <kbreit> jeld: I want to see if it picks up my USB keychain.
[04:06] <jeld> kbreit, here is the apt source for DeCSS libs deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:07] <jeld> kbreit, to use it you will need to switch to totem-xine from totem-gstreamer and you might also wanna look for win32 codecs
[04:07] <kbreit> jeld: It's not automounting my keychain, but I guess I'll blame that on VMware I guess.
[04:07] <jeld> kbreit, if all goes well it should, picks up my iRiver
[04:08] <kbreit> jeld: Through VMware?
[04:08] <jeld> kbreit, no, so I am not sure
[04:09] <kbreit> jeld: Do you know how to calculate bond interest payments before and after taxes? :)
[04:10] <swim> ubuntu x86_64 can use x86_64 debian packages cant it?
[04:12] <jeld> kbreit, no! what gave you an idea I could? :)
[04:12] <kbreit> jeld: You've answered every question so far.
[04:12] <natex> kbreit: man H&R Block
[04:12] <socomm> swim: Anything is possible.
[04:12] <natex> kbreit: ;)
[04:12] <kbreit> natex: Command not found.
[04:12] <socomm> natex: that will background `man H'
[04:12] <swim> socomm, umm so not really?
[04:13] <natex> hehe
[04:13] <kbreit> Is there any reason I couldn't connect to Freenode through Linux in VMWare?
[04:13] <kbreit> It's hanging at the Connecting to...section.
[04:13] <socomm> swim: why don't you give it a try?
[04:13] <natex> kbreit: can you get to the internet?
[04:13] <swim> socomm, because Id have to install ubuntu first
[04:13] <kbreit> natex: Yup
[04:14] <kbreit> Actually, nope.
[04:14] <kbreit> My school has MAC addy registration and it can't obtain the MAC addy for the Linux setup.
[04:14] <natex> use the NAT setup.
[04:14] <FTTP> I have Windows and Linux, i could run them with VMWARE together right?
[04:14] <socomm> swim: get the live CD, unpack a deb and see if the binary can run.
[04:15] <swim> socomm, why cant you just tell me?
[04:15] <socomm> swim: because I don't have a 64 bit processor .....
[04:15] <jeld> FTTP, sure, more than that, you can run Linux from your Windows and Windows from your Linux (not that it makes much sense)
[04:15] <kbreit> I'll be back in a few minutes.
[04:15] <jeld> kbreit, :)
[04:16] <FTTP> jeld:  Is VMWARE the best program which does it?
[04:16] <paulproteus> jeld: Have you heard of coLinux?
[04:16] <swim> can anyone tell me if ubuntu x86_64, can use debian x86_64 packages?
[04:16] <socomm> swim: but you can run programs that are compiled for other operating systems on ubuntu, the lame rpm for example.
[04:16] <jeld> paulproteus, sounds familiar, but I am not sure
[04:16] <paulproteus> You might try that.  It's Free Software.
[04:16] <paulproteus> Go Google it, if you can.  It's neat stuff.
[04:16] <jeld> FTTP, by far is the easiest one, there are others of course
[04:18] <jeld> FTTP, there is also Win4Lin, but that requires a special kernel and only supports Win98 (Yikes!), there is bochs (a kind of OSS vmware) but it is rather limited in hardware support and is a bit of a pain to setup
[04:18] <farruinn> anyone know how I could get vncviewer 3.7 for ubuntu?
[04:19] <jeld> paulproteus, I did, but I think I am not gonna be able to try it (don't have any windows systems)
[04:19] <farruinn> warty comes with 3.3 but I need to connect to a machine that uses 3.7 =(
[04:19] <paulproteus> I think I got the direction of emulation wrong, jeld. :)
[04:19] <jdub> farruinn: you should be able to without any problems
[04:20] <farruinn> I get "http://www.uk.research.att.com"
[04:20] <farruinn> argh, not THAT
[04:20] <farruinn> VNC server supports protocol version 3.7 (viewer 3.3)
[04:20] <farruinn> that
[04:20] <jeld> farruinn, I am running hoary, but try to check apt-cache show xvnc4viewer
[04:21] <farruinn> no packages found
[04:21] <jdub> farruinn: you can still connect
[04:22] <farruinn> well, the other machine can connect to me fine, I just can't seem to connect to it.
[04:22] <jeld> farruinn, thats bad, that means the packages are in hoary somewhere, might wanna try to manualy download and install
[04:23] <farruinn> couldn't I just add hoary to my sources.list and apt-get install xvnc4viewer=[whatever comes with hoary] 
[04:23] <usual> farruinn, do you have universe enabled in apt
[04:24] <farruinn> ah, I just started using ubuntu yesterday and haven't found out what universe is yet
[04:24] <jeld> farruinn, yes, you can, but you will have to screw around with apt priorities so your system doesn't become hoary on the next dist-upgrade
[04:24] <djtansey> how can i check what connections have been made to my computer? i.e. where connections to my vnc server have come from?
[04:24] <jeld> farruinn, did you ever use debian?
[04:24] <farruinn> yeah =)
[04:24] <farruinn> that's the only other distro I've used
[04:24] <usual> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:24] <usual> uncomment universe
[04:25] <jeld> farruinn, and add multiverse while you are at it :)
[04:25] <farruinn> ok, what are these things?
[04:26] <usual> and schedule a flight to the moon
[04:26] <jeld> farruinn, should look something like deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[04:26] <jeld> farruinn, s/hoary/warty/
[04:26] <farruinn> right
[04:26] <usual> xvnc4viewer - Virtual network computing client software for X
[04:26] <usual> heh
[04:26] <farruinn> usual, flight to the moon? ....
[04:26] <usual> I was joking
[04:27] <farruinn> aaaaah, univers, multiverse... got it ;-)
[04:27] <jeld> usual, I wish I could comment out the universe in RL
[04:27] <farruinn> wow, I'm slow
[04:27] <jeld> usual, or at least some parts of it
[04:29] <jeld> ok guys, see you later
[04:30] <mrproper> Yay, works in VMWare.
[04:31] <socomm> Still using Microsoft's Operating System?
[04:31] <socomm> Give it up man!
[04:31] <mrproper> socomm: Yup.  Until Linux works better with my job...
[04:32] <mrproper> Does anyone know if Ubuntu has the nifty inotify stuff in the kernel?
[04:32] <RageMax> nautilus seems to be really unstable in hoary
[04:32] <jdz`> RageMax: How so?
[04:33] <farruinn> I must have done something incorrectly because apt-cache show xvnc4viewer still says no package found
[04:33] <socomm> mrproper: work is for losers.
[04:33] <socomm> s/losers/suckers
[04:33] <farruinn> I did a apt-get update
[04:33] <mrproper> socomm: Yeah, guess it is.
[04:34] <jdub> mrproper: it doesn't, hoary will.
[04:34] <socomm> mrproper: Start a corporation and get some of that corporate welfare. You'll be rolling in government money in no time.
[04:34] <mrproper> jdub, Oh, good stuff.
[04:34] <socomm> jdub: will or does?
[04:35] <mrproper> My firefox links display in bright green.
[04:35] <orc3n> I'm going to get flamed for this, but oh well. I still prefer IE
[04:36] <jdub> socomm: will.
[04:36] <RageMax> jdz`: it crashes many times a day when I open up files from it
[04:36] <RageMax> I haven't exactly been able to reproduce the crashes though
[04:37] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to reload alsa?
[04:37] <mrproper> Are there any GNOME notification applets for gmail?
[04:37] <farruinn> did I do this right?  uncommented universe and added multiverse to /etc/apt/sources.list, ran "apt-get update", "apt-cache show xvnc4viewer"?
[04:38] <socomm> orc3n: then use IE ....
[04:38] <orc3n> farruinn 1 at a time
[04:38] <jdz`> farruinn: Is the package name right?  Might try `apt-cache search vnc'
[04:38] <orc3n> Its just more stable in my case, firefox likes to crash on me for some reason.
[04:38] <Gmail> mrproper: yes
[04:38] <farruinn> hm, I'll check but I thought someone here pasted their output of apt-cache show xvnc4viewer
[04:39] <mrproper> Gmail, Where, I can't seem to find them.
[04:39] <usual> mrproper, google it
[04:39] <Gmail> mrproper: goto footnotes and search gmail
[04:40] <GotD0t> mrproper: well you can set your favorite RSS feed reader to get an xml file of your new messages
[04:40] <mrproper> GotD0t, Yeah, I know there's that feature.  I want something a little more...intrusive.
[04:40] <centurion> anyone playing fps games?
[04:40] <centurion> quake3 etc?
[04:40] <centurion> any gamecube junkies?
[04:41] <socomm> I'm a SeXBox junkie.
[04:41] <aitrus> centurion: maybe you should try #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:41] <socomm> Mod it, add a bigger HDD and `backup' games to your hearts content.
[04:41] <socomm> aitrus: whoops good point.
[04:42] <GotD0t> mrproper: well if you know of a command line app that takes in an RSS file and makes it human readable you could set up cron to retrieve the RSS file and then run the app
[04:42] <GotD0t> mrproper: or you could code your own ;-)
[04:42] <centurion> airtus:np
[04:42] <centurion> aitrus:sorry
[04:45] <GotD0t> mrproper: do you have POP3 support on your gmail account yet?
[04:45] <mrproper> GotD0t, Got it today.
[04:45] <GotD0t> mrproper: then use an intrusive mail reader
[04:45] <mrproper> GotD0t, I want an applet :/
[04:46] <Amaranth> daniels
[04:46] <Amaranth> err
[04:46] <Amaranth> wrong channel
[04:48] <jmhodges> anybody have a handle on a tomboy deb?
[04:48] <GotD0t> does anybody know how to reload ALSA?
[04:48] <lemsx1> GotD0t, what do you mean by "reload"
[04:49] <jmhodges> GotD0t: `sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart` ?
[04:49] <lemsx1> GotD0t, sudo /etc/init.d/alsa stop && sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start ?
[04:49] <socomm> GotD0t: alsactl
[04:49] <jmhodges> alsactl?
[04:49] <socomm> I guess the init scripts will do a better job, though.
[04:50] <mrproper> My mouse is acting funny.  It doesn't change cursors directly over the item it should, at least it's offset a few pixels.
[04:50] <lemsx1> alsactl for the mixer levels: alsactl store
[04:50] <GotD0t> thanks
[04:51] <socomm> lemsx1: whatever.
[04:53] <Gmail> GotD0t: og couse
[04:53] <Gmail> *of
[04:55] <GotD0t> Gmail: of course what?
[04:59] <farruinn> so how is hoary?
 mrproper: do you have POP3 support on your gmail account yet?
[05:01] <usual> everyone does i think
[05:01] <usual> seems offcial
[05:01] <GotD0t> Gmail: i wasnt asking you... and if you didnt realize they were phasing in POP3 support
[05:01] <GotD0t> Gmail: so not everyone got them at the same time
[05:01] <usual> i got it, and new features mentions it
[05:01] <jdz`> GotD0t: I got it today :)
[05:01] <usual> seems offical
[05:01] <GotD0t> see
[05:01] <Gnobody> does hoary work well with XFCE 4.2 RC1 yet???
[05:01] <usual> dumb question
[05:02] <GotD0t> whats a dumb question
[05:02] <Gnobody> ??
[05:02] <Gmail> I love Microsoft, "yesterday's technology, tommorow".
[05:02] <lemsx1> guys. no offense to any of you, but you could talk about these things in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:02] <lemsx1> again no offense to anybody...
[05:02] <Gnobody> Did you see the latest balmer speech on news.com?
[05:02] <Gmail> --- Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[05:03] <lemsx1> Gmail, wow, that's sad
[05:03] <Gnobody> "Linux has more security volurabilities than Windows"
[05:03] <usual> and less spell checks
[05:03] <Gnobody> typo
[05:03] <Gmail> lol
[05:03] <usual> just fuckin with ya
[05:03] <GotD0t> Gmail: if you were banned from an off-topic channel then you probably shouldnt be in an on-topic channel ;-)
[05:03] <Gnobody> I was quoting Balmer
[05:04] <usual> getting banned from any channel on freenode is a chore
[05:04] <Gmail> GotD0t: i got banned from an offtopic channel becuase i was speaking on topic
[05:04] <GotD0t> Gmail: somehow i doubt that
[05:04] <jdz`> Gmail: Thats awsome :) Haha
[05:04] <usual> what doe sit matter
[05:04] <Gmail> usual: you are now banned from #vhcs
[05:04] <Gnobody> is anybody using XFCE 4.2 RC1???
[05:04] <usual> haha
[05:04] <Gmail> LOL
[05:05] <Gmail> Gnobody: here we use CLI
[05:05] <usual> 'it was all good just a week ago
[05:05] <usual> heh
[05:05] <usual> Gnobody, what exactly is your issue with it
[05:05] <holycow> i'm banned from the gnome network >_>
[05:05] <Gnobody> nothing yet I haven't tried the RC
[05:05] <Gnobody> but the betas were messed
[05:05] <usual> Gnobody, then try it and tell us
[05:05] <holycow> i mean gimp network
[05:05] <Gnobody> ok
[05:05] <usual> irc.gimp.org?
[05:06] <holycow> *nod*
[05:06] <usual> heh
[05:06] <usual> i gotta piss
[05:06] <usual> man I'm sauced
[05:06] <jdz`> usual: Have fun
[05:06] <usual> jdz`, heh
[05:08] <lemsx1> well, in any case, you guys should try to be polite and find a better way to talk to e/a other about things that don't concern Ubuntu's new (newbie) users or ubuntu itself
[05:08] <usual> I am drunk, and ubuntu fully supports that
[05:08] <usual> haha
[05:08] <aitrus> hahahaha
[05:09] <GotD0t> does anybody have any experience with changing the default alsa device?
[05:09] <aitrus> drunkeness was in the first beta
[05:09] <lemsx1> hey, i got a few beers myself ;-) and I supported that
[05:09] <usual> hey!
[05:09] <usual> :)
[05:09] <usual> man
[05:09] <usual> damn canadians
[05:09] <usual> making this beer
[05:09] <usual> i know i know off-topic
[05:09] <usual> lets be easy on that
[05:09] <Gnobody> hey Canadians pwn
[05:10] <Gmail> lol
[05:10] <GotD0t> does anybody have any experience with changing the default alsa device?
[05:10] <usual> why would you
[05:11] <scoon> GotD0t: alsa's site didn't help you ?
[05:11] <GotD0t> because the current default device doesn't have speakers attached
[05:11] <GotD0t> nope scoon
[05:11] <GotD0t> scoon: tells me what i should do... but that doesnt work
[05:11] <jdz`> GotD0t: I believe it's detirminied by the order the modules are loaded.  To make one card the default, force it's modules to load first
[05:12] <Gnobody> ok I am still having the same problem with XFCE 4.2
[05:15] <scoon> GotD0t: so you edited /etc/modules.d/alsa-base ?
[05:15] <GotD0t> scoon: thats not what it told me to edit
[05:15] <lemsx1> GotD0t, using usb audio devices? i had a problem before that i couldn't get alsa to use the built-in audio-card on a system (if the usb microphone, which was seen as a sound-card, was plugged in...) i never found the solution to this problem... i simply unplugged the darng thing and rebooted. go figure. perhaps the beers had something to do with it ;-)
[05:15] <GotD0t> lemsx1: no... pci audigy
[05:16] <Josh__> hello
[05:16] <Gmail> ehlo
[05:16] <Josh__> i have some problems with the ubuntu installation...
[05:16] <lemsx1> GotD0t, use lsmod to see what modules are attached to your kernel... unload some (or all) the snd* ones. and make sure your /etc/modules.conf file is correct (as well as /etc/modules and whatever you are using from: discover, discover2, hotplug)
[05:16] <lemsx1> GotD0t, talk about confusing newbies :-)
[05:17] <lemsx1> Gmail, smtp protocol?
[05:17] <Josh__> the first dialog pops up and asks for my language, i push enter and it continues...
[05:17] <Josh__> then it asks for my county, then i press enter and it hangs...
[05:17] <usual> man
[05:17] <usual> canadian beer got me going
[05:18] <Josh__> anyone knoiw what's going on?
[05:18] <usual> Josh__, not me
[05:19] <lemsx1> Josh__, what hardware are you using? custom built machine?
[05:20] <scoon> GotD0t: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Creative+Labs&card=Sound+Blaster+Audigy2+ZS+Value.&chip=emu10k2%2C+P17&module=emu10k1
[05:20] <Josh__> yeah
[05:20] <Gmail> lemsx1: how did you know i set up an email > irc
[05:20] <lemsx1> Josh__, perhaps your system is hanging after loading bad modules... you should try turning off APM/ACPI and things like that in your BIOS before you start the installation
[05:20] <Josh__> let me try that right now...
[05:20] <scoon> GotD0t: there is even a special note in there for debian users.
[05:20] <GotD0t> scoon: the soundcard works fine... XMMS allows you to change the output device, its just ALSA doesnt use the audigy as the default driver
[05:20] <lemsx1> Gmail, i'm a sysadmin ;-) i can read between the lines and regex these things out
[05:21] <lemsx1> Gmail, lol. j/k
[05:21] <GotD0t> err... driver=device
[05:21] <scoon> GotD0t: i understand that.  so you want to set it up as the default sound card.  follow those dirs.
[05:21] <lemsx1> scoon, i use emu10k1. never had a problem. never went anywhere to read anything... always latest and greatest kernel from kernel.org compiled locally of course
[05:22] <scoon> lemsx1: so do i.  but the alsa site is by far the best resource for this.
[05:22] <jdz`> GotD0t: You have mutiple soundcards?
[05:23] <lemsx1> scoon, i'm reading that link... i wonder why i couldn't change the default sound card so that libesd0-alsa could find the right thing
[05:23] <GotD0t> jdz`: yea... mobo has built-in sound
[05:23] <seek187> Does anyone know how to setup fetchmail with gmail??
[05:23] <GotD0t> seek187: account doesnt have POP3 yet?
[05:24] <lemsx1> GotD0t, but do you ever use the built-in one? if not, just disable it at the BIOS level :-) that's what I did :-)
[05:24] <jdz`> GotD0t: *nods*  I have the same steup.  Audegy external, nforce onboard.
[05:24] <Josh__> the only thing in my bios about acpi is something about power management...
[05:24] <seek187> GotD0t, it does I can get it to check mail but it won't download the headers or anything else
[05:24] <Josh__> should disable it?
[05:24] <scoon> lemsx1: well wonder no more.  about 1/2 way down the page there is the /etc/modules.conf # ALSA portion
[05:24] <lemsx1> seek187, for POP3 access?
[05:24] <seek187> lemsx1, yea
[05:24] <usual> same way you setup a client
[05:24] <lemsx1> Josh__, turn all the powermngt. off
[05:24] <GotD0t> lemsx1: why would i use the default one? its only stereo, when my audigy is 5.1.... and my BIOS is crappy... wont let me disable onboard sound
[05:24] <jdz`> GotD0t: With ubuntu, things *just worked*.  Audugy became default.  With gentoo, I had to force it to load the emu101k module *first*, that way it became default
[05:25] <Josh__> alright.. let me try it
[05:25] <scoon> lemsx1: and the paragraph above that even instructs you to look at /proc/asound/cards for the sound card.
[05:26] <lemsx1> scoon, nice... still trying to read it :-) multi-tasking here
[05:28] <Josh__> still hangs
[05:28] <Josh__> i can type at the bottom of the screen...
[05:28] <Josh__> but it just hangs
[05:29] <lemsx1> Josh__, something is loading ... a bad driver... unplug your USB stuff (especially cameras with buggy drivers... like cpia-usb stuff  ;-))
[05:29] <Josh__> ok, let me try that....
[05:29] <Chibi> Josh- I recommend not using hoary's hotplug. :/
[05:29] <Chibi> It died out with just my ps2 mouse plugged in.
[05:30] <Chibi> -_-;
[05:30] <Josh__> it worked!
[05:31] <Josh__> thanks lemsx1
[05:31] <Josh__> another question...,
[05:31] <Josh__> i've gotten it installed before and my network didn't work
[05:31] <Josh__> my cards are detected, I can even cofigure them, but the network will not work
[05:31] <Josh__> i think it's the kernel
[05:32] <Josh__> i had the same problem when i updated to 2.6 with debian sid
[05:32] <Josh__> anyone know a way around this?
[05:32] <Chibi> Josh__- You need to reset your cable modem.
[05:32] <lemsx1> Josh__, if you can use /sbin/ifconfig to "see" the card (even if no IP is there) then the problem is usually elsewhere
[05:32] <GotD0t> AHH!! so irritating
[05:32] <GotD0t> why wont this work
[05:32] <Josh__> let me try that....
[05:32] <scoon> GotD0t:  alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1
[05:32] <Chibi> It's hanging on an old dhcp session, more than likely.
[05:32] <lemsx1> Josh__, i.e. dhcp server, router, switch, cable, bad connection, who knows
[05:33] <benh> is there an .au mirror fast enough in canberra ?
[05:33] <GotD0t> scoon i did
[05:33] <scoon> GotD0t: make that the first line in /etc/modutils/alsa-base
[05:33] <Chibi> I run into that alot when I'm switching boxes.
[05:33] <scoon> and then run modules-update
[05:33] <lemsx1> update-modules you mean
[05:33] <Chibi> dhcp session for one machine will hang, and not let a new session for the other.
[05:33] <scoon> GotD0t: sorry, run update-modules
[05:34] <scoon> GotD0t: and then run /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[05:34] <GotD0t> scoon: i ahve been
[05:34] <GotD0t> like 20 times over
[05:34] <GotD0t> scoon: i dont think it likes the settings
[05:34] <scoon> GotD0t: you even restarted alsa ?
[05:34] <GotD0t> yea
[05:34] <lemsx1> GotD0t, what do you have for /etc/modutils/alsa ?
[05:35] <GotD0t> cuz whenever i restart it it doesnt seem to take the settings
[05:35] <lemsx1> GotD0t,  you might need to unload the drivers force-fully :-)
[05:35] <lemsx1> GotD0t, dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base
[05:35] <GotD0t> lemsx1: well thats fine... as long as it works
[05:35] <scoon> GotD0t: maybe you are not loading the drivers: does lsmod show emu10k1 and friends ?
[05:35] <lemsx1> GotD0t, say yes when asked about force drivers to unload, or edit /etc/default/alsa
[05:35] <Josh__> well, after it gets installed, I'll move from there....
[05:36] <GotD0t> yes
[05:36] <GotD0t> emu10k1 is in there
[05:36] <Josh__> from what I've used of ubuntu, i love it
[05:36] <Josh__> how is the package selection?  same as debian?
[05:36] <lemsx1> GotD0t, you can't have emu10k1 and snd-card-emu10k1 at the same time... either OSS or ALSA, not both
[05:36] <GotD0t> snd_emu10k1 is in there
[05:36] <lemsx1> GotD0t, snd_emu10k1 i mean...
[05:37] <lemsx1> GotD0t, what about emu10k1 ?
[05:37] <lemsx1> Josh__, ubuntu is debian
[05:37] <GotD0t> emu10k1_gp is
[05:37] <lemsx1> Josh__, just desktop-oriented... with some massage in GUI stuff and minor things relating to desktops
[05:38] <benh> looks good !
[05:38] <benh> a hell lot more "polished" than debian
[05:38] <Josh__> i know, but i was looking at the sources list and it looks like it uses different servers
[05:38] <Josh__> it does look really nice
[05:38] <Josh__> especially open office
[05:38] <GotD0t> how do i tell ubuntu not to load snd_intel8x0
[05:39] <lemsx1> Josh__, it does use different reps... but, that's the trade for using cutting-edge stuff not allowed in the pristine debian distro (vanilla)
[05:39] <Josh__> and from what I hear, the support is great ;)
[05:39] <scoon> GotD0t: do you see it listed in modules.conf
[05:39] <lemsx1> GotD0t, edit /etc/modutils/aliases (or make /etc/modutils/local) and put: alias snd_intel8x0 off
[05:41] <lemsx1> GotD0t, you might need to change local for 000local so that it gets parsed first by update-modules ;-)
[05:41] <JDahl> GotD0t, if you *dont* want it loaded, I think you have have to edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:41] <lemsx1> GotD0t, and of course, you will need to reboot your system... or go the long way: unload all modules, kill all procs holding the modules in the kernel, etc... etc...
[05:42] <scoon> GotD0t: just stop the alsa service and then unload any of the modules.  restart the service and the modules will get loaded.
[05:42] <lemsx1> talking about /etc/hotplug/blacklist, does ubuntu install discover? discover also has a blacklist file
[05:42] <FTTP> crap....... i tried to upgrade with the new synaptic and new hoary files and got an error
[05:43] <GotD0t> scoon: how do you unload modules?
[05:43] <FTTP> NO START INFO DIR ENTRY
[05:43] <JDahl> GotD0t, sudo rmmod <module>
[05:43] <scoon> GotD0t: rmmod the-module-name
[05:44] <GotD0t> hmm
[05:44] <GotD0t> its in use
[05:44] <GotD0t> how do i tell whats using it
[05:44] <Josh__> my network "just works" now....
[05:44] <Josh__> thanks a lot lemsx1
[05:44] <lemsx1> scoon, :-( Known Bugs: MIDI on SB live drive not working properly.
[05:45] <lemsx1> Josh__, np
[05:45] <scoon> lemsx1: doh
[05:45] <Josh__> is ubuntu affiliated with any other non-computer related organizations?
[05:45] <lemsx1> scoon, like i didn't know that already
[05:48] <Josh__> does ubuntu come with reiser4 support?
[05:53] <GotD0t> i love how ubuntu didnt listen to my blacklist file
[05:54] <sri> anybody got a deb of a emacs with a good gtk2 interface?
[05:55] <mchang> re all
[05:55] <scoon> GotD0t:  alias snd_intel8x0 off ?
[05:55] <mchang> anyone using a dell d600 here (or broadcom 802.11g)?
[05:55] <GotD0t> scoon: tried that before
[05:55] <GotD0t> scoon: didnt do anything
[05:55] <GotD0t> scoon: unless i had to reboot
[05:56] <GotD0t> scoon: but i snd_intel8x0 to the blacklist
[05:56] <GotD0t> err i added*
[05:56] <GotD0t> scoon: and i just lsmod'd and it was loaded
[05:58] <scoon> GotD0t: so just for fun, why not go against the docs and not mess with blacklist and just put a # everywhere in /etc/modules.conf that you see that module ?
[05:58] <GotD0t> can i remove snd_intel8x0 entirely... instead of telling ubuntu not to load it
[05:58] <lemsx1> GotD0t, drastic solutions uh
[05:58] <scoon> GotD0t: build your own kernel.
[05:58] <lemsx1> bah, remove the module from the kernel lib dir and: depmod -a `uname -r`
[05:58] <GotD0t> scoon: thats the thing... its not in modules.conf
[05:59] <scoon> how about in ls
[05:59] <GotD0t> what
[05:59] <scoon> GotD0t: sorry, how about in /etc/modules
[05:59] <GotD0t> scoon: nope
[06:00] <scoon> GotD0t: /etc/default/alsa ?
[06:01] <GotD0t> scoon: nope
[06:02] <scoon> GotD0t: try what lemsxl said.
[06:03] <scoon> GotD0t: i understand that you are frustrated but i think that what the alsa page says to add will work.  just do update-modules and then restart alsa.
[06:03] <scoon> scoon: sorry.  don't know what else to tell you.  it really isn't this hard.
[06:04] <GotD0t> well im doing a search for any file that contains the words snd_intel8x0
[06:04] <GotD0t> and the only thing that shows are my blacklist and modules.conf.old
[06:04] <GotD0t> so far
[06:04] <scoon> scoon: and yes i have onboard sound that i have had enabled in the bios and still have my audigy card load up as the primary card.
[06:05] <GotD0t> scoon: then what did you do?
[06:06] <scoon> GotD0t: like i have been saying: i followed the alsa pages.  the only thing is that i was running gentoo at the time.
[06:06] <scoon> GotD0t: gentoo configs a smidge different but not much.  like i said, all you need are what alsa tells you.
[06:06] <lemsx1> offtopic: angelina jolie in Jay Leno's show... i know i know... people like beers. hate tvs. and no offtopic here
[06:07] <Rene_S> Is he nekkid ?
[06:07] <scoon> lemsx1: she makes me want to use soap.
[06:07] <Rene_S> she rather
[06:07] <scoon> lemsx1: why "IT" burns to just look at her.
[06:07] <lemsx1> scoon, lol
[06:07] <scoon> no thanks.
[06:07] <lemsx1> scoon, she's nuts
[06:08] <Chibi> she's a whore. :/
[06:08] <lemsx1> Chibi, that too... love her
[06:08] <Chibi> Hehe. Well, I'm engaged. I'm banned from lust. :P
[06:09] <lemsx1> Chibi, lol... that must hurt... do you believe in re-incarnation at least?
[06:09] <scoon> Chibi: best thing i have heard all nite besides the sugar skulls
[06:09] <lemsx1> kalle_, </offtopic>
[06:09] <lemsx1> oops, bad habit: meant Ok
[06:10] <Rene_S> Hmm, trying to find an Icon set that matches the Solaris colour scheme is proving to be difficult
[06:10] <HrdwrBoB> I have a better idea
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> don't use solaris ever
[06:11] <Chibi> Re-incarnation, no. I do belive the spirit lives on without the body, though. Mainly because whenever I go upstairs, my grandpa's spirit likes to hang out and freak me out when I need to pee. :/
[06:11] <HrdwrBoB> I mean.. hi!
[06:11] <joejiang_> hello, anyone know ubuntu pool mirror? isp.au has some problem?
 man she is hot
[06:11] <Rene_S> I like the colours, there easier on my eyes than most other schemes
[06:11] <lemsx1> Chibi, ROFL
[06:12] <JDahl> HrdwrBoB, I hear you! and that goes for HPUX as well
[06:12] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, yep. it must be that black dress...
[06:12] <Jerub> wow. I thought ubuntu was a teensy little distribution that no one used.
[06:12] <Chibi> I'm serious, we keep his ashes, and I can feel him around whenever I go near that damn jar. :/
[06:13] <Rene_S> Shh, Dont tell anyone you will ruin it for everyone :)
[06:13] <lemsx1> Chibi, that's called "psychology" nowadays ;-)
[06:13] <Chibi> Jerub- Did you notice that this teeny little distrobution has climbed up to rank 13 on distrowatch since it's release? :P
[06:13] <Jerub> Chibi: no!
[06:13] <seek187> heh
[06:13] <Jerub> Rene_S: okay!
[06:14] <GotD0t> ok... any last suggestions before i completely give up and rip the friken mobo out and give it to my 4 year old sis to play with
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> lemsx1, yea
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> maybe
[06:14] <Chibi> I'm pretty sure it's going to stay there, too. Or get higher. Ubuntu replaced my slackware box.
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> wish my tv card worked better =)
[06:14] <nomasteryoda> too fuzzy
[06:14] <Chibi> -_-;. And I'm a dedicated slackie.
[06:15] <scoon> GotD0t: burn it ?
[06:15] <GotD0t> scoon: not suggestions on how to fuck over my mobo
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:15] <scoon> GotD0t: sorry man.  nope.  i just figured why give it to a 4 year old when YOU can play with FIRE
[06:16] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, ROFL... oh wow... just like me here
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:16] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, darng tv... i need hdtv now
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> lemsx1, you need to purchase before the year is out
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> the DRM required versions are the only ones for sale in US after 1st of Jan
[06:17] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, i know... i keep saving 20 from e/a paycheck... hopefully one day i'll have 3,000 before they are more expensive than that
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> $200
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> HDTV tuner card
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> get a hdtv card
[06:17] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, :-) nah, i want plasma with the whole shebang
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> yea
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> life size
[06:18] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, then buy the real angelina's DVD movies and watch it in full res
[06:18] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, ok, we are going to get banned from #ubuntu :-)...
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> but i want Ubuntu on my HDTV
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:18] <Rene_S> HDTV, hmm I am not sure I need to see the commercials that clearly.
[06:19] <lemsx1> Rene_S, lol... good one. i try to watch DVD's only... and public broadcasting channels... :-) no commercials there
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> on topic>, is there an easy way to repair a grub menu.lst?
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> in ubuntu
[06:19] <Rene_S> Like really do we need to see Alway's adds in all its digital splendor ?  or how about the prep H ones ?
[06:20] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, update-grub?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> yea?
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> i'll try
[06:20] <lemsx1> Rene_S, the cool thing is that the more you read about psychology, the more you "see" in between the "lines" when watching a commercial... scary
[06:21] <Rene_S> I watched the Matrix on a HDTV and I never want to see Keannu Reeve's pores that closely again
[06:21] <lemsx1> Rene_S, there is a nice program about this in thirteen.org (channel 13)
[06:21] <lemsx1> Rene_S, but... offtopic :-)
[06:21] <Rene_S> Hang on Ill get it around to Ubuntu in a second
[06:22] <Rene_S> Somehow ......
[06:22] <lemsx1> Rene_S, oh man, i have not have that chance yet...
[06:22] <lemsx1> Rene_S, well, will ubuntu support HDTV tuner cards? there you go, back on topic
[06:23] <lemsx1> Rene_S, an "Ubuntu Media Center" version won't be a bad idea... something that just works and does all that tivo does for free
[06:23] <lemsx1> :-)
[06:23] <Rene_S> Ok, I can embed Ubuntu into my Microwave then use that to retune my Satellite dish that is hooked to my HDTV ?
[06:23] <lemsx1> Rene_S, ROFL
[06:24] <Rene_S> It "could" happen
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> Rene_S: sure
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> didn't sony use Linux in it's latest tv
[06:24] <GotD0t> well what do you know... im officially retarded
[06:25] <Rene_S> Not sure, I don't use there products
[06:25] <lemsx1> GotD0t, got new mobo?
[06:25] <GotD0t> my BIOS does have the option to turn off onboard sound
[06:25] <lemsx1> GotD0t, much better
[06:25] <GotD0t> i didnt didnt see it before
[06:26] <Rene_S> Hmm you could always just yank the chip outta it
[06:26] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, is that sony product out for mere mortals to buy?
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> er, maybe shuttlesworth can buy one
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> =)
[06:27] <scoon> GotD0t: rage will do that sometimes.
[06:27] <seek187> Anyone just upgrade 'sed'? like minutes ago?
[06:28] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:28] <seek187> the install just broke on me
[06:28] <crimsun> -3?
[06:28] <crimsun> or -2?
[06:28] <crimsun> if it's -2, the grave bugs have been closed.
[06:28] <seek187> I dont know?
[06:28] <Rene_S> I have always found a well placed screwdriver used in conjuction with a live MOBO an excellent stress relief
[06:28] <crimsun> seek187: dpkg -l sed
[06:29] <GotD0t> Rene_S ill take that into consideration
[06:29] <Jenno> Hi
[06:29] <Rene_S> I can't guarantee that course of action mind you so ..... (Disclaimer)
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> lemsx1nite
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> lemsx1 nite
[06:30] <Jenno> Is Ubuntu gonna be a good distro for a noob to try?
[06:30] <lemsx1> nomasteryoda, nite
[06:30] <HrdwrBoB> Jenno: yes
[06:30] <nomasteryoda> yes
[06:30] <Jenno> cool
[06:30] <Jenno> i tried mandrake... but it was just way too bloated and slow
[06:31] <seek187> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/120558 <--- thats what it says
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> surprising how much like windows it looks.. except without the BSOD
[06:31] <Rene_S> Sure, I use it and I don't know were the power button on my computer is.
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> and nicer colors
[06:31] <Jenno> heh
[06:31] <nomasteryoda> Jenno: Ubuntu is fast
[06:31] <crimsun> seek187: read what I said above reading grave bugs and -2
[06:31] <crimsun> s/reading/regarding/
[06:32] <Jenno> ah good... mandrake was nasty
[06:32] <Rene_S> I found Mandrake ok, just the urpmi took me a while to wrap my head around
[06:34] <seek187> they have been closed?
[06:34] <crimsun> seek187: correct.
[06:34] <seek187> is this going to screw up ubuntu?
[06:35] <crimsun> nope.
[06:35] <crimsun> just wait a day.
[06:35] <seek187> ok
[06:36] <Rene_S> Eww another Canadian
[06:36] <seek187> lol
[06:38] <Rene_S> to Karamba or not Karamba that is the question
[06:38] <GotD0t> speaking of canadians... SG-Atlantis got signed on for another season
[06:38] <Rene_S> Good
[06:38] <Rene_S> I wanna see what happens
[06:39] <GotD0t> another few months of "Zed"-PMs
[06:39] <Rene_S> Regenesis is creepy
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> GotD0t: excellent
[06:39] <GotD0t> haha... ok im going to bed
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> i have been watching by bt mode
[06:39] <nomasteryoda> nite
[06:40] <GotD0t> and apparently amanda tapping will be giving birth once SGA and SG1 start shooting again
[06:40] <stuNNed> crimsun, so just wait a day for sed error to be fixed and don't `apt-get upgrade` at this time?
[06:40] <scoon> ls
[06:40] <GotD0t> AHHH!!! now that i got the sound working i get all these queer sounds
[06:40] <seek187> lol
[06:41] <GotD0t> ok im out for real
[06:41] <scoon> GotD0t: cya
[06:43] <Rene_S> something tells me I dont really need an app that tells me the weather for the next week anyhow
[06:44] <stuNNed> seek187, so just wait a day to upgrade?
[06:44] <seek187> I guess so?
[06:45] <stuNNed> seek187, lol, that's what we get for running unstable!  but nothing installed here due to sed error
[06:45] <crimsun> stuNNed: it is already fixed. The matter of the fixed package migrating to pool is of time.
[06:45] <stuNNed> crimsun, got it, thanks
[06:45] <seek187> oh I see.. yeah I don't think anything got installed either on mine
[06:46] <crimsun> we'll live. :)  There are about 60 packages queued for updating on my box. I'm sure I'll survive.
[06:46] <stuNNed> crimsun, LOL, CRASH! :D
[06:49] <FTTP> with the truetype fonts when u update after 1st install it says that it couldnt configure them or something right?
[06:49] <FTTP> i want to report it as a bug but i dont remember the exact error :(
[07:07] <PorscheBoy> where do i go to download Debian Sarge?
[07:07] <Chibi> -_- debian.org
[07:09] <PorscheBoy> i know but can't find Sarge iso
[07:09] <Chibi> Look harder.
[07:10] <Chibi> Debian's site is as unfriendly as it's install. If you can't find the download links, you can't install it, either. :P
[07:11] <seek187> lol
[07:12] <Chibi> Here we go. D: I'm upgrading this ghetto P133 to Hoary.
[07:13] <Rene_S> He, I found Debian easier to install than Gentoo or Arch linux
[07:13] <Chibi> For some reason. o_O;... I mean, it's just a console machine. But it definately needs hoary, yep. for sure. o_o;;
[07:16] <Gmail> clubmozilla.com
[07:23] <discord> i'm having trouble with evolution
[07:24] <Chibi> Use thunderbird instead. :P
[07:24] <discord> i choose the disable support for pop3 and it worked for awhile
[07:25] <stuNNed> i need to compile piix into the kernel and not as a module, what are my options?
[07:25] <discord> noe i get Error while Fetching Mail.Cannot get POP summary: Operation now in progress.
[07:25] <discord> anyone use evolution and know how to fix this?
[07:26] <tom_> can anyone tell me where to find boot.log in ubuntu pls
[07:26] <discord> locate
[07:27] <discord> what is boot.log anyways
[07:27] <discord> why does ubuntu make it their default
[07:27] <discord> heh
[07:27] <seek187> speaking of thunderbird is there anyway to get thunderbird to check local mbox mail?
[07:27] <discord> they are making one
[07:28] <tom_> in mndrake (the distor i have used to dat) it sows exactly what init displays on the screen when booting
[07:28] <discord> i used to use mozilla mail
[07:28] <Klowner> discord: that'd be great, because my grandparents have a fairly old computer, and evolution sucks up a bit too much power, and they recently requested a calendar application
[07:29] <Klowner> tom_: locate boot.log  ?
[07:29] <discord> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
[07:29] <Klowner> discord: I hope they call it fogturtle
[07:29] <Chibi> Hehe
[07:29] <tom_> klowner no response from that command at all
[07:29] <Klowner> Firefox, Thundebird, and Fogturtle
[07:29] <discord> cause their is no boot.log
[07:29] <Chibi> Earthfish!
[07:30] <Klowner> tom_: sudo updatedb, and then try locate again, perhaps?
[07:30] <tom_> k
[07:30] <discord> tom_ are you looking for dmesg or something like that
[07:30] <discord> try
[07:30] <discord> dmesg
[07:31] <Agrajag> Klowner: it's sunbird, last I heard
[07:31] <discord> what the hell is boot.log
[07:31] <tom_> discord dmesg does not show exactly what was displayed wheres boot.log (in mandrake anyway) does
[07:31] <Klowner> Agrajag: darn
[07:31] <discord> i dont know anything about mandrake
[07:31] <Klowner> discord: dmesg shows kernel init stuff, I Think he wants init.d stuff
[07:32] <discord> would it be in /var/log?
[07:33] <discord> tom_ maybe you want kern.log
[07:33] <discord> /var/log/kern.log
[07:33] <discord> or maybe you want to eat a log
[07:33] <discord> its big its heavy its wood
[07:33] <Klowner> beef log beef log what a treat
[07:34] <discord> why do you use ubuntu?
[07:34] <tom_> discord i a simpy after some information from th einit boot processthat i cant seem to find in ubuntu but could elsewhere is all
[07:34] <discord> im asking everyone
[07:34] <discord> why do you use ubuntu?
[07:34] <tom_> i use it because i like its up to datenss and simplicity
[07:35] <discord> tom_ that kern.log i mentioned looks like what you are talking about
[07:35] <Klowner> much friendlier user base than debian
[07:35] <discord> maybe you should check it
[07:35] <discord> hmm
[07:35] <Chibi> Because it takes the shortest amount of time out of all of my distros to set up and do what I need it to, it's fresh, and as stable and fast as Slackware.
[07:35] <discord> i never messed with the debian user base but have messed with it for awhile
[07:35] <tom_> yes user base is certainly friendly
[07:35] <discord> debian that is
[07:36] <Klowner> visit #debian and ask a simple question, it'll end up with "RTFM STUPID.."
[07:36] <discord> hmm
[07:36] <discord> ill have to try that sometime
[07:36] <Klowner> :)
[07:36] <Chibi> Hrrrmmm... This is odd.
[07:36] <mercurus> ask a complex question, and often as not you'll get to told to read the wrong manual ...
[07:36] <Gmail> Microsoft Windows: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
[07:36] <Chibi> I'm getting errors setting up cron and sed. :/
[07:36] <stuNNed> how can i tell which init scripts have started?
[07:37] <Chibi> I'm afraid to reboot like this. :/
[07:37] <discord> he
[07:37] <discord> goto /etc/init.d
[07:37] <discord> and look at the owner
[07:37] <discord> chibi
[07:37] <discord> or
[07:37] <discord> stunned i mean
[07:38] <discord> maybe not the owner maybe the permissions
[07:38] <Chibi> -_-;;;;... broken sed is NOT good. ;.;
[07:38] <tom_> klowner kern.log is near what i was after but not exactly ;-) ty
[07:38] <acecase-win> hello
[07:38] <seek187> Chibi, same happend to me
[07:38] <Klowner> tom_: thank discord :)
[07:39] <seek187> crimsun said it would be fixed tomarrow ...
[07:39] <tom_> discord ty 2 :)
[07:39] <acecase-win> is there a way to see exactly what program/dameon is listening on a certain port? netstat doesn't even show the port open
[07:39] <acecase-win> daemon :)
[07:39] <Chibi> Bleh. I don't know if the battery will last that long. :/
[07:39] <scoon> good nite all.  thanks for another good nite.
[07:39] <Klowner> acecase-win: you want to see what kind of daemon is running? or find the actual process of the running daemon?
[07:40] <acecase-win> Klowner i want to see exactly what is listening on a certain port
[07:40] <Tomcat_> acecase-win: /etc/services has some, but I don't know if it's 100% correct
[07:40] <Klowner> acecase-win: hm, netstat should do it.. with the -p option
[07:41] <acecase-win> netstat doesn't even show it open. i found it with nmap remotely
[07:41] <acecase-win> Tomcat_ lemmy look at that thanks
[07:42] <Tomcat_> acecase-win: I just had a look... it's only a list of services, not specific for a machine... but you might find something.
[07:42] <acecase-win> that port isn't listed but thanks
[07:42] <tom_> is there a gui disk format process in ubuntu?
[07:42] <acecase-win> tell me, is there a bo2k port for linux?
[07:43] <LinuxDude> hi
[07:43] <Agrajag> well, if you consider ncurses to be a gui, yes
[07:43] <seek187> hi
[07:43] <Chibi> ncurses is pwn. D:
[07:43] <Gnobody> hey
[07:43] <Gnobody> anybody here?
[07:43] <seek187> lots of people here :P
[07:43] <LinuxDude> when u install ubuntu, if you dont download software from the internet, you cant get those packages with synaptic?
[07:43] <LinuxDude> i mean for the updates
[07:44] <seek187> LinuxDude, sure you can
[07:44] <LinuxDude> i tried the installer with and without the updates
[07:44] <Gnobody> how can I compile pearpc?
[07:44] <LinuxDude> this time i didnt choose update via internet
[07:44] <Gnobody> it doesn't have a configure script
[07:44] <LinuxDude> and in synaptic no file updates are there
[07:44] <LinuxDude> seek187:  So what am i doing wrong then?
[07:45] <LinuxDude> seek187:  I selected no to internet updates, so it didnt download the additional packages/updates
[07:45] <Tomcat_> If anybody is bored, do you know if http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/product_info.php/notebooks/hewlett_packard/nx90xx_serien/hp_nx9030_pm_15ghz_pg630et will make any problems running Ubuntu?
[07:45] <LinuxDude> now in synaptic, it says there are no updates , but i never downloaded em yet
[07:45] <acecase-win> what are the chances of getting someone to PM me or something and tell me if you have port 54320 open? netstat won't show it you'll have to nmap you'reself or something
[07:45] <seek187> Gnobody,  enable universe in sources.list and just download pearpc
[07:45] <Gnobody> I want the .4 prerelease
[07:45] <discord> Klowner, what you doing on with your linux boxen?
[07:45] <LinuxDude> seek me or gnobody?
[07:46] <seek187> LinuxDude, it should just download updates from warty-security?
[07:46] <Gnobody> not .3
[07:46] <Klowner> discord: programming, little bit of web design, and graphics
[07:46] <LinuxDude> seek187:  Do you know which files it downloads when you select internet install via ncursor?
[07:46] <discord> Klowner, what kind of programming?
[07:46] <seek187> Gnobody, Do you have Build-essential package installed?
[07:46] <Klowner> discord: c++, graphics/games related stuff
[07:47] <stuNNed> man, i just want to add hpdarm to runlevel 2, why does this have to be so complicated in Ubuntu?
[07:47] <LinuxDude> seek187:  cause if i select yes there, it downloads the updates, if i select no, there are no updates i can download in synaptic
[07:47] <seek187> hmmm
[07:47] <seek187> LinuxDude, have you reloaded the list in synaptic?
[07:47] <Klowner> discord: if you're really curious, http://klowner.com
[07:47] <LinuxDude> seek187:  Yes i did
[07:47] <jdub> stuNNed: why do you want to do that?
[07:48] <Gnobody> how do I use pearpc once I have got it off universe?
[07:48] <LinuxDude> seek187:  Im not sure if it loads up additional files or something cause its lots of em
[07:48] <LinuxDude> prolly a bug
[07:48] <LinuxDude> ill report it
[07:48] <seek187> hmm I'm not sure then I thought it just downloaded it there
[07:48] <stuNNed> jdub, hdparm is in /etc/init.d but need it to be added to runlevel 2 (ubuntu default) as i'm having problem with my linuxant modem and think it may be related
[07:49] <seek187> so you reloaded and checked mark upgrades and nothing upgraded?
[07:49] <seek187> and click apply
[07:49] <jdub> stuNNed: it's in rcS.d
[07:49] <discord> Klowner, you made those wallpapers?
[07:49] <Klowner> discord: yessir
[07:49] <discord> nice work
[07:49] <Klowner> thanky
[07:49] <discord> i gotta hit the hay
[07:49] <stuNNed> jdub, and being in rcS.d it get's started at boot?
[07:50] <discord> chem quiz tommorow
[07:50] <discord> ciao
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> waw did an upgrade and sed breaks apt
[07:50] <seek187> Tsjoklat, happend to me to
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> seek187 I had to install sed from my Debian sid box.. how did you fix it?
[07:51] <seek187> didn't yet
[07:51] <jdub> stuNNed: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apt...
[07:51] <jdub> er, seek187
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> jdub I had no older version of sed
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> so I had to install it from my sid box
[07:52] <stuNNed> jdub, yes, looks that way, i'm having to load piix into the kernel and not as a module, is my only option to recompile kernel? (silly question, isn't it? ;)
[07:52] <jdub> Tsjoklat: cd?
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> ah I have that uncomment jdub.. didn't think of that
[07:52] <Gnobody> where is the location of the PearPC config file???????
[07:52] <jdub> stuNNed: that doesn't sound like a solution to a modem problem...
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> I am also not very happy with the UTF-8 recommendation
[07:52] <seek187> jdub, what does that do?
[07:52] <seek187> oh wait I see
[07:52] <kingsley> It seems to me that the chart at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/percent_increase_in_bandwidth.png is a rather cool depiction of which data compression algorithms work best with which hardware to maximize network speed.
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> I did that and now evolution and gdesklets won't start
[07:52] <kingsley> You can look up your CPU and network speeds, and the chart suggests a data compression utility to maximize throughput over the net. Comments welcome.
[07:52] <seek187> I think..
[07:52] <jdub> seek187: if you have an apt or sed pacakge there...
[07:52] <stuNNed> jdub, it was recommended by linuxant tech support, sad to say
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> I am going back to ISO-8859-1
[07:53] <seek187> I don't even have that folder :/
[07:53] <jdub> Tsjoklat: haven't seen that, i'm running warty with UTF-8 only
[07:53] <seek187> /var/cache/apt/archives/ just to there
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> the instructions Jeff gave on the forum are not complete
[07:53] <seek187> no apt at the end
[07:54] <jdub> Tsjoklat: sure they are
[07:54] <Gnobody> where is the location of the PearPC config file???????
[07:54] <seek187> I cleaned my cache
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> jdub I followed the instructions but when I did: sudo nano /etc/environment
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> it said: ISO-8859-1
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> and when I did: sudo nano /etc/locale.gen same deal
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> I had to manually change those
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> and do: sudo locale-gen
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> and like I said, evolution and gdesklets are not starting up anymore
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> not sure what to do...
[07:56] <jdub> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales updates LANG
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> what will that do jdub?
[07:56] <jdub> didn't seem to affect LANGUAGE when i did it just then
[07:56] <jdub> Tsjoklat: what?
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> jdub I already did that
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> I checked all the languages I need
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> choose en_US.UTF-8 as default
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> I saw on the bugzilla that the problem is probably the @Euro UTF-8
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> which I need
[07:58] <jdub> you should not have to manually run locale-gen -> dpkg-reconfigure locales does that for you
[07:58] <jdub> you should not have to edit /etc/environment
[07:59] <jdub> in fact, i'd recommend staying clear of both
[07:59] <seek187> could I install this sed_4.1.2-2_i386.deb from sid? would that work?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> jdub: I didn't want to but I like I said.. I had to find the culprit and therefor I checked and both files were wrong
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> jdub: I wouldn't tell others to do it :)
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> well I did your suggestion and the default language was again not set to en_US.UTF8
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> it said: en_US
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> Generation complete.
[08:01] <GammaRay> damn.. update-rc.d is terrible.. is there an easier way?
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> Package `updates' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: updates is not installed
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> that's the error I get jdub
[08:01] <jdub> paste your command line?
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> jdub?
[08:02] <jdub> paste your command line
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> jdub: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales updates LANG --> gives me that error
[08:02] <LucidVisions> anyone use cedga with ubuntu here?
[08:02] <jdub> Tsjoklat: erm
[08:02] <jdub> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[08:02] <jdub> ^ why aren't you running that?
[08:02] <Gnobody> where is the location of the PearPC config file???????
[08:03] <jdub> Gnobody: repetition and more question marks won't get you an answer faster
[08:03] <Tsjoklat> jdub: I mearly copied and pasted your suggestion
[08:03] <jdub> Tsjoklat: that was a sentence
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> jdub: and I did that before... according to Jeff's advice
[08:04] <Tsjoklat> jdub: sorry no errors this time
[08:04] <jdub> so it should pop up the selector
[08:04] <jdub> and then the default selector
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> yes, I checked all the languages I need and choose en_US.UTF8 as default
[08:05] <Gnobody> jdub do you know the answer?
[08:05] <jdub> Gnobody: no
[08:05] <Tsjoklat> I should relog in
[08:05] <jdub> Gnobody: i'd imagine in /etc
[08:05] <jdub> Gnobody: but i'm sure the package provides some documentation
[08:05] <jdub> Tsjoklat: after you do, type 'locales'
[08:05] <jdub> er, 'locale'
[08:05] <Gnobody> no it isnt in etc
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> alright brb
[08:06] <jdub> wait
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> waiting
[08:06] <jdub> you can do it without getting out of your gnome session
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> I can?
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> lead the way
[08:06] <jdub> just su - <username>
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> and then?
[08:06] <jdub> that's a login shell
[08:06] <jdub> type locale
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> LANG=POSIX
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> LC_CTYPE="POSIX"
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> LC_NUMERIC="POSIX"
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> LC_TIME="POSIX"
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> etc
[08:07] <LucidVisions> dam,,,oh well
[08:07] <LucidVisions> l83r
[08:07] <jdub> oh
[08:07] <jdub> same here
[08:07] <jdub> hrm
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> jdub: that okay?
[08:07] <jdub> no
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:07] <Tsjoklat> thought so at your oh
[08:08] <jdub> try just su <username>
[08:08] <Gnobody> it isnt in the man jdub
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> jdub same deal
[08:08] <acecase-win> if it wouldn't be simpler and more effective for ubuntu devs to gain access in other ways i would swear they are useing Bo2k as a backdoor in ubuntu
[08:09] <jdub> Tsjoklat: what's in /etc/environment now?
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[08:09] <jdub> that's it?
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> si
[08:09] <jdub> and /etc/locale.gen?
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> in: sudo nano /etc/locale.gen I have heaps
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> en_US UTF-8
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> de_DE.UTF-8@euro UTF-8
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> etc
[08:10] <WX> how do i slow down my usb mouse? it glides across the screen at lightning speed
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> WX stop feeding it cookies :P
[08:10] <Tomcat_> WX: Gnome settings at low speed?
[08:10] <acecase-win> lol
[08:10] <Tsjoklat> sorry WX have no idea
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> jdub: the first one is too bare? it should have more?
[08:11] <acecase-win> you have kids too Tsjoklat? :)
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> acecase-win how did you guess? :)
[08:11] <acecase-win> cookies are like rocket fuel
[08:11] <Tsjoklat> it sure is
[08:11] <acecase-win> my wife likes to give mine cookies and mountain dew and leave me alone with em
[08:12] <Tomcat_> acecase-win: She
[08:12] <Tomcat_> acecase-win: She's ev0l :o
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> acecase-win it is called: getting back at you :}
[08:12] <acecase-win> lol the devil!
[08:12] <Tsjoklat> jdub: got any more input on the matter?
[08:12] <WX> Tomcat_, hmm where do i find out?
[08:13] <WX> nm
[08:13] <WX> ;)
[08:13] <WX> i foudn it
[08:13] <WX> didn't even look
[08:13] <Tomcat_> WX: I don't have Ubuntu at the moment, but in the second menu there's something called "Mouse and keyboard"...
[08:13] <WX> bleh
[08:13] <Tomcat_> Ah. :)
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> I guess acecase-win's wife caught up
[08:14] <gnat> anyone here have a DWL-G630 wireless card working?
[08:15] <gnat> with ubuntu ?
[08:15] <psyklops> hello
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> well I guess I have to install thunderbird to be able to get email
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> hi psyklops
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> gnat: not I
[08:16] <gnat> Tsjoklat, I have the firmware it loads but the driver reports a failure
[08:16] <gnat> just trying to find a solution and I get no response from the developers
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> gnat: what error did you get? did you check the bugzilla site to see if someone has simulair issues?
[08:17] <psyklops> I've been wanting to (and may actually NEED to) compile my own kernel, but there is alot of options to check and I'm trying for minimalism. I already made my own .config but the kernel compiled from it seems to have quite a few problems. Is there any way I can get the base .config used by Ubuntu/Debian?
[08:18] <Tsjoklat> psyklops... you could use the make menuconfig as a guidance?
[08:18] <psyklops> thats what I did
[08:18] <gnat> Tsjoklat: Error message was "Danger Will Robinson MAC didn't come back"
[08:18] <psyklops> I disabled everything I knew I wouldn't need and moduled all I thought I might
[08:18] <gnat> ubuntu bugzilla? or where abouts?
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:19] <psyklops> I am going to start over, but I'd like a basic setup
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> gnat: are you for real?
[08:19] <gnat> Tsjoklat, totally!
[08:19] <gnat> odd error message eh?
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> gnat that is barking mad
[08:19] <gnat> that is the final error message
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> psyklops trail and error I would say
[08:20] <psyklops> yeah... expensive trial and error...
[08:20] <gnat> its first error is: acx100_issue_cmd failed: Invalid parameter [1350 uSec]  Cmd: Ah, Result: Eh
[08:20] <gnat> cb =0x1AE
[08:20] <psyklops> an hours worth
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> gnat I have no idea.. and don't know what to say to that either lol
[08:20] <psyklops> at least
[08:20] <gnat> but google gives me no lovin
[08:20] <gnat> yeah I know
[08:20] <psyklops> and I get bored halfway
[08:20] <gnat> I have two wireless cards
[08:20] <gnat> neither quite works
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> gnat did you check the bugzilla for Robinson MAC?
[08:20] <gnat> both have errors when loading their firmware.
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> psyklops: bored?
[08:20] <gnat> ubuntu's?
[08:20] <psyklops> there is no .config anywhere?
[08:20] <Tsjoklat> trey trey
[08:21] <psyklops> yeah... about the 100th driver option I get bored...
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> gnat yes
[08:21] <psyklops> so I save and come back later
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> psyklops: if you get 'bored' halfway by building your own kernel perhaps you should reconsider and stick with the default ubu one
[08:21] <psyklops> no...
[08:21] <Agrajag> psyklops: look in /boot
[08:22] <Tsjoklat> gnat I copied the addy above
[08:22] <Agrajag> see the file(s) named config-2.6.8.1-3-*?
[08:22] <psyklops> nope
[08:22] <Agrajag> those are the kernel config files
[08:22] <Agrajag> huh
[08:22] <Agrajag> do you have /boot unmounted?
[08:22] <psyklops> hah... it has MY config...
[08:23] <Agrajag> what kernel config do you want? I have 386, 686, and k7 here
[08:23] <netmonk> does anyone know what commands can I use to stop or start pcmcia service?
[08:23] <psyklops> ah had to look a little bit closer
[08:23] <psyklops> that'll do
[08:24] <psyklops> I'm pretty sure I can just copy that to my src/linux dir right?
[08:24] <psyklops> and use it for 2.6.9
[08:25] <Tsjoklat> psyklops: diff -u nameoldconfig namenewconfig
[08:26] <Tsjoklat> psyklops: the changes are marked by plusses and minuses
[08:26] <Tsjoklat> hopefully that will prevent the boredom
[08:26] <psyklops> heh... the boredome was checking each option, making sure I understood it, reading the help and any pages I could google on it, and THEN deciding whether or not to include it
[08:27] <psyklops> but even after that it has problems
[08:27] <psyklops> still boots though...
[08:27] <psyklops> hm... maybe just looking at the warnings at boot would help
[08:31] <smo> I think I may have just scored points for the most random install error .. I managed to mispell my username, then panicked when I couldn't log in
[08:42] <Gnobody> how do I extract a bz2 from a console?????
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> Gnobody bunzip2 filename
[08:43] <Gnobody> thanks
[08:44] <Agrajag> if it's .tar.bz2, use tar xvjf <filename>
[08:52] <kaput> anybody willing to help out with an acpi/button question?
[09:01] <Gmail> kaput: just ask
[09:03] <kaput> i followed the Suspend Howto wiki and am able to run the suspend script successfully. but acpi is not catching power button or lid events
[09:03] <Treenaks> kaput: did you disable ACPI?
[09:03] <kaput> nope...
[09:04] <kaput> Treenaks, Gmail: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[09:05] <Junkie> warty 4.10 is the lastest ubuntu ?
[09:06] <psyklops> hm... I can't get plun and play support in my kernel, but everything else is pretty much identical to ubuntu's kernel
[09:06] <psyklops> plug*
[09:06] <Treenaks> Junkie: yes
[09:07] <Junkie> thanks im going to try out ubuntu
[09:07] <Junkie> looking for a good distro
[09:07] <Junkie> had problems with my last one
[09:07] <Junkie> reinstalling everyday got annoying :)
[09:07] <Gmail> hmmm i can't fix the topic
[09:08] <Gmail> too long
[09:08] <kaput> Gmail Treenaks: /proc/acpi/button is present and obviously the button module is loaded, but there seems to be no response
[09:08] <psyklops> nevermind I got it (why do you NEED ISA enabled to use plug and play?)
[09:08] <Treenaks> kaput: interrupt conflicts?
[09:08] <kaput> Treenaks: dmesg doesn't reveal any
[09:09] <Treenaks> it doesn't have to
[09:09] <fabbione> dude...
[09:09] <Gmail> err too long still
[09:09] <fabbione> take a decision :-)
[09:09] <psyklops> use less spaces?
[09:09] <ud> Hi, when I apt-get install bbkeys I get alot of other packages such as blackbox that I dont need, is there a way for me to only get bbkeys by itself using apt-get?
[09:10] <Gmail> YAY it fits
[09:11] <Junkie> :)
[09:11] <ud> can anybody help me?
[09:11] <jmhodges> agh!
[09:11] <jmhodges> my dpkg is borked
[09:12] <Junkie> does ubuntu automaticly start to x windows ?
[09:12] <psyklops> yes
[09:12] <ud> Junkie: only if you want it to
[09:12] <jmhodges> all attempts to install, remove, etc with synaptic or apt-get get me an odd error and a /var/lib/dpkg/lock left behind
[09:12] <Junkie> i always mess up doing it myself
[09:12] <Junkie> xf86config hates me :)
[09:12] <ud> Junkie: check the kernel boot options when installing if you dont want it to
[09:13] <Junkie> i want it too :)
[09:13] <fabbione> Junkie: you are not supposed to use xf86config
[09:13] <jmhodges> the error: http://www.pastebin.com/120571
[09:13] <fabbione> it is a depracated tool
[09:13] <jmhodges> anyone know whats causing that?
[09:13] <Junkie> im a primary desktop users
[09:13] <Junkie> user*
[09:13] <jmhodges> i cant isntall any debs because of it :-/
[09:13] <Junkie> kind of a linux newbie
[09:13] <fabbione> Junkie: see FAQ
[09:13] <fabbione> and wiki
[09:14] <Junkie> im reading it now
[09:14] <ud> jmhodges: probably a stupid question to ask you but has it got anything to do with not being sudo?
[09:14] <ud> I havent usee synaptic
[09:14] <ud> used*
[09:14] <jmhodges> nope, i used sudo
[09:14] <jmhodges> on both
[09:14] <jmhodges> gksudo as well for synaptic
[09:14] <jmhodges> thats not the issue
[09:15] <ud> ok
[09:16] <jmhodges> found one issue.. its looking for /usr/share/info/sed.info but /usr/share/info only contians .gz files and directories
[09:17] <jmhodges> but i have no idea how to resolve this issue
[09:17] <Codename_V> jmhodges: seems like you'd just remove that file ta me.
[09:17] <jmhodges> ?
[09:17] <Codename_V> make sure no other instances of dpkg or whatever are running I guess first.
[09:18] <jmhodges> nope, no dpkg, no synaptic and no apt
[09:18] <jmhodges> Codename_V: i dont understand how removing a file would help.  what file are you referring to?
[09:19] <Codename_V> jmhodges: the /var/lib/dpkg/lock file.  I'd imagine it's empty and something there to just prevent more than one instance of dpkg or whatever starting up.
[09:19] <Codename_V> but me, what do I know, I'm a fedora guy mostly.  =)
[09:19] <Treenaks> are you root?
[09:20] <jmhodges> Codename_V: the lock file is left by those processes, but i've been clearing it out and retesting
[09:20] <jmhodges> that is not the issue
[09:20] <jmhodges> Treenaks: like i said earlier, yes im using sudo
[09:20] <jmhodges> thats not the error you get from not having the proper perms
[09:21] <Codename_V> jmhodges: so you're saying you deleted that file and you still get the same error?
[09:21] <jmhodges> yes
[09:21] <jmhodges> those lock files are created after this error
[09:21] <jmhodges> because dpkg etc doesnt finish properly
[09:22] <Codename_V> ah, gotcha.  I thought at first you were saying that was your error.
[09:22] <jmhodges> nope
[09:22] <Codename_V> so what's the error exactly?
[09:22] <jmhodges> sorry for the confusion
[09:22] <jmhodges> http://www.pastebin.com/120571
[09:22] <jmhodges> (i posted that above, but it probably got scrolled up too fast)
[09:23] <elbi> hmm, after upgrading to hoary my fonts look very blury (LCD)
[09:23] <elbi> any tips?
[09:23] <seek187> jmhodges, are you using hoary?
[09:23] <jmhodges> no matter what pkg i try to install or remove, the error is the same except for the ".info" filename
[09:23] <jmhodges> seek187: yes
[09:23] <Treenaks> jmhodges: dpkg --purge sed
[09:23] <jmhodges> Treenaks: are you not listening?
[09:23] <Treenaks> (maybe --force-depends)
[09:23] <Treenaks> you're installing dpkg
[09:23] <seek187> jmhodges, have you upgraded your packages within the last oh two hors or so?
[09:24] <jmhodges> seek187: erm.. yes
[09:24] <seek187> cause sed is broke...
[09:24] <jmhodges> well son of a bitch
[09:24] <seek187> it happend to me to
[09:24] <jmhodges> Treenaks: sorry for jumping on you
[09:24] <seek187> it will be fixed tomarrow
[09:24] <jmhodges> Treenaks: apologies
[09:24] <jmhodges> seek187: heh, ok, thanks a ton
[09:24] <Codename_V> hoary is like debian unstable or something, but ubuntu?
[09:24] <jmhodges> Codename_V: its the next release..
[09:24] <Treenaks> Codename_V: debian unstable + experimental more likely :)
[09:25] <jmhodges> so.. it can be really unstable hehe
[09:25] <seek187> np :)
[09:25] <calc> hoary is good fer ya
[09:25] <calc> well if its like sid then it can't be bad, sid has been nice and stable for me for 6 years
[09:25] <Codename_V> think I'll stick with warty for the time being.  =)
[09:26] <bob2> if you don't want to help find bugs, stick with warty for now
[09:26] <jmhodges> seek187: btw, whos tomorrow is that? NZ tomorrow? EST tomorrow? GMT tomorrow?
[09:26] <Codename_V> I just want to give the thing a whril really.
[09:26] <Codename_V> whirl rather
[09:26] <jmhodges> oh bah, im sure itll be fixed in the next 18 hours not matter what
[09:26] <jmhodges> thanks folks
[09:26] <seek187> jmhodges,  have no idea :/ that's what someone told me.. I guess it's already fixed it just need to get in the pool
[09:27] <bob2> well, warty is only a month old
[09:27] <jmhodges> thanks
[09:27] <seek187> np
[09:27] <bob2> it's not that out of date ;-)
[09:27] <elbi> where can i configure font rendering settings?
[09:27] <Codename_V> hmm, actually, now I'm thinking neither will support my hardware though.  or what kernels do warty or hoary come with?  both 2.4?
[09:27] <jmhodges> elbi: Computer->Desktop Preferences->Font
[09:27] <jmhodges> Codename_V: 2.6
[09:28] <elbi> jmhodges: it doesn't fix the problem, the fonts still look way too AA'ed
[09:28] <seek187> I hope the broken sed doesnt mess up my install if I reboot tho :/
[09:28] <elbi> jmhodges: and blury
[09:28] <bob2> Codename_V: only 2.6 is supported on ubuntu
[09:28] <jmhodges> Codename_V: the only way udev and therefore hal and therefore gnome-volume-manager and therefore gnome 2.8 will work
[09:28] <jmhodges> is to use 2.6 kernel
[09:28] <jmhodges> elbi: dont know other than that
[09:28] <Codename_V> jmhodges: ah, so maybe it will then.  I've got this stupid raid controller that only a 2.6 kernel recognizes.
[09:28] <elbi> jmhodges: thanks anyway
[09:29] <seek187> elbi, I don't think it works right
[09:29] <calc> 2.4 sucks anyway
[09:29] <elbi> seek187: no, after upgrading to hoary the fonts a really, well, ugly :)
[09:29] <seek187> elbi, have you tried this... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4456
[09:29] <jmhodges> Codename_V: most likely.  jdub, mdz, et. al. put out a rather good kernel :)
[09:29] <jmhodges> ok, im off
[09:40] <elbi> seek187: hmm, that configuration didn't help, but a dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig did
[09:40] <elbi> disabling the subpixel lcd rendering
[09:41] <seek187> ah I see
[09:41] <elbi> the funny thing, i have a lcd :P
[09:41] <seek187> heh
[09:42] <elbi> and as a sidenote, gnomes font configuration have NO effect on my setup, subpixel lcd rendering is enabled there
[09:42] <elbi> changing rendering options there is like talking to a dummy doll
[09:48] <alka_trash> sleepy
[09:50] <alka_trash> so like, what's new
[09:52] <wood1> Does anybody know how to get connected to this Chat forum using some proxy settings
[09:52] <psyklops> when I'm compiling my kernel, how do I make sure it is using my config?
[09:52] <wood1> My PC at office is behind some kind of firewall which disables GAIM
[09:53] <psyklops> change the port GAIM uses if possible?
[09:53] <trey`> wood1: both Gaim and XChat have proxy setting dialogues...
[09:53] <psyklops> (guess that would be a proxy, unless the AIM protocol can change ports alone)
[09:53] <trey`> and its 'Gaim', NOT 'GAIM'... you're gonna get them sued  [angryface] 
[09:54] <wood1> Which port 6667 ?
[09:54] <trey`> wood1: IRC usually...
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> trey are done being a lunatik?
[09:54] <trey`> Tsjoklat: *nods*
[09:54] <psyklops> 4 AM and I'm still working on my kernel hah
[09:54] <Tsjoklat> good to have you back trey :)
[09:54] <trey`> Tsjoklat: linking accounts for no apparent reason  8-)
[09:54] <psyklops> I finally got my config all worked out
[09:55] <psyklops> but I realized... I don't know if its using the config I have
[09:55] <wood1> By the way, my hard disk using is almost full 95 %
[09:55] <trey`> Tsjoklat: haha  :)
[09:55] <alka_trash> psyklops:  did you enable /proc/config.gz ?
[09:55] <alka_trash> I think that's the address
[09:55] <psyklops> nope, no need for it
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> sorry trey :P~~~~
[09:55] <Junkie> 8 minutes to go then i can burn the iso and install ubuntu
[09:55] <alka_trash> damn, that was one way
[09:56] <wood1> Does anyone have any ideas which programs to remove safely which does not affect the system files
[09:56] <seek187> heh
[09:56] <wood1> I repeat that my hard disk space is 95 % full
[09:56] <trey`> wood1: how big is the hd?
[09:56] <alka_trash> do a modprobe for something that you took out
[09:56] <psyklops> 95% of 10 TB ;)
[09:56] <alka_trash> :)
[09:56] <seek187> wood1, have you downloaded tons of packages?
[09:56] <alka_trash> I know
[09:56] <trey`> psyklops: damn... thats a lot of pr0n  8-)
[09:56] <Junkie> lol 10 terrabyte hd.. that would be insane
[09:56] <wood1> Well it is 10 GB but 8 GB is being used by Windows
[09:57] <alka_trash> go to CLI and input uname -a
[09:57] <wood1> I have installed Ubuntu on a 2 BG partition
[09:57] <seek187> eek
[09:57] <alka_trash> it should tell you when your kernel was built
[09:57] <Treenaks> BigaGytes?
[09:57] <trey`> wood1: thats the problem... 2 gig is barely big enough for the install...
[09:57] <Junkie> lol@bigagyte
[09:57] <seek187> lol
[09:57] <wood1> You see, my co-worker who shares this PC and she is using Windows
[09:58] <Junkie> tell her MS is the devil
[09:58] <psyklops> still want to know how to point to compiler to MY config (I realized when I typed make that I actually had multiple configs and never specified)
[09:58] <Junkie> and she should run linux
[09:58] <wood1> So I just can't afford is partition or resize the partition because it contains alot of Official papers works and other improtant stuff of hers
[09:58] <trey`> wood1: bah... give her a 2 gig too... then share the other 6 as FAT  ;)
[09:58] <alka_trash> it's too bad that I have to run windows at work, because I have do deal with active directory all the time :(
[09:58] <Junkie> yeah i screwed up my windows xp is ntfs
[09:58] <Junkie> so it kidna sucks
[09:59] <seek187> Mine to
[09:59] <seek187> I can only read it :/
[09:59] <Junkie> so i only got 6 gigs for linux + 500megs for swap
[09:59] <potato> woodl you could just make a 2GB loop file and mount it somewhere in your file system
[09:59] <potato> should help
[09:59] <trey`> Junkie: my 2k3 server is NTFS... but there is a FAT partition for easily taking stuff from one OS to the other...
[09:59] <alka_trash> partition magic will convert that for ya, scary though
[09:59] <Junkie> well once i found the right distro for me, im removing windows
[09:59] <Junkie> found = find
[09:59] <wood1> How do I create a 2 GB loop file, I have never heard of that
[09:59] <trey`> Junkie: bah...
[10:00] <Junkie> hopefully ubuntu will be the one
[10:00] <Junkie> :)
[10:00] <Junkie> ive tried to get 3d graphics on 4 different distro's
[10:00] <Junkie> hopefully it works here
[10:00] <seek187> ubuntu is the best distro i've used so far
[10:00] <Junkie> i was using MEPIS
[10:00] <trey`> Tsjoklat: grr @ having it saved in the first place
[10:00] <Tsjoklat> it's hidden!
[10:00] <trey`> Tsjoklat: kinda scary  :P
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> five passwords protected
[10:01] <Junkie> it was okay, but i had to reinstall 2 times due to upgrading the kernel and it not recognizing half of my hardware
[10:01] <Junkie> lol
[10:01] <wood1> So anybody, do you have any ideas to remove some programs while not affecting any system files
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> trey are you any good with evo?
[10:01] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: what? you have trey`'s picture as a background image?
[10:01] <trey`> Tsjoklat: eh... not really... I use Thunderbird or just webmail  :/
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> crap on a roll
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> <-- very unhappy bunny
[10:02] <seek187> Can thunderbird check local mail?
[10:02] <trey`> Tsjoklat: whats wrong with it?
[10:02] <trey`> seek187: sure...
[10:02] <Junkie> i use Gmail so i dont have to worry about programs
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> doesn't show up trey
[10:02] <trey`> Junkie: I do too  8-)
[10:02] <seek187> How? I can't find the option
[10:02] <seek187> just pop and imap
[10:02] <Junkie> okay time to burn iso
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> it starts up... get the warning window about being unstable yada yada
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> and that's it
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> poof gone
[10:03] <trey`> Tsjoklat: ahh... that can't be good  :(
[10:03] <Junkie> hmm 8x should be slow enough
[10:03] <Junkie> lol
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> it shows up in my system monitor but that is not going to get me to read my blardy email
[10:03] <wood1> How do I setup Evolution to get emails from Gmail using POP or IMAP ?
[10:03] <trey`> Tsjoklat: filed a bug about it? run from terminal and see why it died  :(
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> it tells me heaps of reasons why it died
[10:03] <trey`> wood1: you can't... I've been trying for a while...  :(
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> it is mainly very discontent with certain dirs not being available
[10:04] <seek187> trey`,  yeah you can
[10:04] <trey`> Tsjoklat: put all that in the bug report  :)
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> mainly plugins
[10:04] <Junkie> there is a program
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> you sound like bob2 trey
[10:04] <Junkie> made by gmail
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> lol
[10:04] <Junkie> you can download
[10:04] <wood1> seek187, how ?
[10:04] <trey`> seek187: ?
[10:04] <seek187> I use gmail with Evolution
[10:04] <trey`> Tsjoklat: thanks for the compliment  :)
[10:04] <wood1> how
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> :)
[10:04] <seek187> Enable SSL on incoming pop3 server enter username@gmail.com and enable .....
[10:04] <trey`> seek187: gmail.google.com and IMAP?
[10:04] <bob2> advocating people write bug reports is not a bad thing
[10:05] <seek187> oh Imap?
[10:05] <seek187> sorry thought you ment pop
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> it was a compliment bob2, take it as such
[10:05] <Junkie> any secrets to installing ubuntu before i go?
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> yeah Junkie
[10:06] <Junkie> or anything to look out for ?
[10:06] <Treenaks> Junkie: boredom ;)
[10:06] <trey`> Junkie: hit enter 7 times (I think... plus you have to like, enter a username and password when it asks  :/)
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> don't treat it like you are Harry Potter... don't type: remove file and expect it to be gone
[10:06] <seek187> Junkie it pretty much installs it self :P
[10:06] <Treenaks> Junkie: find something to do while you're not answering questions ;)
[10:06] <Junkie> lol
[10:06] <Junkie> i got the ps2
[10:06] <Junkie> next to the pc
[10:06] <Junkie> im used to compiling large things
[10:06] <Junkie> lol
[10:07] <trey`> Junkie: Gentoo?
[10:07] <wood1> seek, what is the host for IMAP ?
[10:07] <Junkie> yeah i tried gentoo
[10:07] <Junkie> took me 5 days to get to where i could load kde
[10:07] <Junkie> lots o compiling
[10:07] <seek187> wood1, sorry I thought you were talking about pop at first
[10:07] <potato> that's why I run crux
[10:08] <Junkie> yeah thats why i said i TRIED gentoo
[10:08] <potato> only 10 hour until I can use xfce4 on xorg
[10:08] <Junkie> lol
[10:08] <potato> 1 hour
[10:08] <wood1> seek, POP or IMAP ?
[10:08] <wood1> FOR GMAIL
[10:08] <trey`> potato: want to trade computers?  8-)
[10:08] <seek187> You can do pop yes
[10:08] <trey`> Pop sucks though  :(
[10:08] <seek187> just enable SSL on pop and smtp pop.gmail.com and smtp.gmail.com
[10:08] <potato> crux just comes wtih xorg compiled
[10:09] <potato> it's just an Athlon XP2600+
[10:09] <Junkie> i just hope i can get the other pc on the net when i install ubuntu
[10:09] <wood1> incoming and outgoing ports are 110 and 25
[10:09] <Junkie> i had to use guidedog in mepis
[10:09] <trey`> potato: try on a 950 Duron  :/
[10:09] <Junkie> and disable the firewall in guarddog
[10:09] <potato> I used to have a Duron 800
[10:09] <potato> they're not that bad
[10:09] <trey`> potato: installing Gentoo on that is a pain  :(
[10:09] <Junkie> i got a 2ghz celeron :(
[10:09] <seek187> I still can't get fetchmail to work right with gmail tho :/
[10:09] <potato> Junkie, if you ever find the time, try out crux
[10:10] <Junkie> crux ?
[10:10] <potato> sorry to spam in the ubuntu channel
[10:10] <potato> www.crux.nu
[10:10] <bob2> you don't need to reconfigure any firewall on ubuntu to use that
[10:10] <bob2> since ubuntu has no firewall by default
[10:10] <Junkie> okay cool
[10:10] <Junkie> cause i use ICS in windows
[10:10] <potato> bob2, it does have iptables I assume
[10:10] <Junkie> to share the connection
[10:10] <bob2> potato: of course, but it does nothing by default
[10:11] <potato> ok
[10:11] <bob2> since there's no need to firewall an ubuntu desktop machine
[10:11] <Junkie> im sure i can get it running
[10:11] <potato> yuck, port forwarding sucks on ics
[10:11] <Junkie> or ill be in here asking lots of questions
[10:11] <Junkie> :)
[10:11] <Junkie> and lots of posts on the forums
[10:11] <Junkie> :)
[10:11] <potato> Junkie, it's easy, just 2 lines on the server if you do it on linux
[10:11] <Junkie> 2 lines ?
[10:11] <seek187> Junkie, read the howto section on the forums lots of good stuff there
[10:11] <jimmings> hello, does anybody knows how to launch amsn when it has been installed ?
[10:11] <potato> to share the internet connection
[10:11] <Junkie> ahh okay
[10:12] <bob2> sudo apt-get install ipmasq
[10:12] <Junkie> well ill try it on my own first
[10:12] <bob2> answer some questions
[10:12] <bob2> enjoy!
[10:12] <wood1> seek, what about SMTP authentication ?
[10:12] <Junkie> and see where that gets me
[10:12] <bob2> Junkie: alt-f2 amsn <enter>
[10:13] <Junkie> okay thanks
[10:13] <Junkie> im off to install
[10:13] <Junkie> wish me luck!
[10:13] <seek187> wood1, smtp.gmail.com then Use SSL always > enter username@gmail.com
[10:13] <seek187> for username
[10:13] <Caspar> need help for my screen on my laptop
[10:14] <Caspar> can someone help me?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> Caspar you got a lcd?
[10:14] <Caspar> Tsjoklat Laptop is that OK?
[10:14] <Caspar> :P
[10:15] <Tsjoklat> just trying to get the ball rolling for you Caspar :)
[10:15] <Caspar> there i am now in the XF86Config-4
[10:15] <Caspar> stvn helpt me on the dutch chanel
[10:16] <cryptomatt> hi there
[10:16] <wood1> SEEK, POP does not work for Gmail
[10:17] <seek187> did you put your username@gmail.com?
[10:17] <cryptomatt> i seem to be having a problem with my monitor
[10:17] <Caspar> Gmail dousent support POP
[10:17] <seek187> and use SSL always on pop settings
[10:17] <seek187> Caspar, yes it does
[10:17] <Treenaks> Caspar: gmail does support pop now
[10:17] <Agrajag> wood1 and Caspar: yes, it does.
[10:17] <Agrajag> Just not for everyone.
[10:17] <seek187> Not yet
[10:17] <Caspar> :|
[10:18] <Agrajag> They're phasing it in, some people have it, sone don't.
[10:18] <Agrajag> Yes, right now.
[10:18] <seek187> wood1, do you have pop enabled on your real gmail account I hope?
[10:18] <cryptomatt> after the regular boot, xserver just refuses to start
[10:18] <Caspar> BUT NEED HELP WHIT MY SCREEN!!
[10:18] <Treenaks> Caspar: don't shout
[10:18] <Caspar> sry
[10:18] <cryptomatt> on the other hand.. when i boot up into a different distro say yoper and then restart the machine to ubuntu the xserver starts up fine.. what could be wrong??
[10:18] <Agrajag> http://www.google.com/gmail/help/whatsnew.html
[10:18] <stvn> does a lcd monitor need a 'modes' line in XFconfig?
[10:20] <jimmings> amsn is installed but i can't see it. so how to run it. please need help
[10:20] <wood1> well, where is that option ?
[10:20] <seek187> Ok...
[10:20] <Caspar> :|
[10:20] <bob2> jimmings: alt-f2. type "amsn". hit enter.
[10:21] <seek187> Are you under the receiving mail tab?
[10:21] <Caspar> hello
[10:21] <bob2> all this gmail stuff seems kinda off-topic dudes
[10:21] <Caspar> can someone help me?
[10:21] <bob2> are you nearly done?
[10:21] <seek187> Where is says Security... use Secure connection... check that to always
[10:21] <bob2> Caspar: it didn't get set up automatically?
[10:21] <wood1> yes
[10:21] <Caspar> bob2: got probs whit it
[10:22] <Caspar> bob2: my screen go's OK till i get Gnome displaymanager then the screen go's weird
[10:22] <wood1> seek, I have done that
[10:22] <seek187> if thats checked and you have your username@gmail.com and pop.gmail.com in there you should get mail with no problem
[10:22] <wood1> but
[10:22] <stvn> bob2: his screen is messed up, sounds like a wrong resolution, but so far we (dutch ppl) haven't been able to solve it
[10:22] <jimmings> thank you bob2. it works !
[10:23] <seek187> Unless you don't have it setup in your real gmail account
[10:23] <bob2> jimmings: cool!
[10:23] <bob2> jimmings: you can add it to the menu by editing it with "preferences:///" in nautilus
[10:23] <bob2> seek187: wood1 dudes.
[10:23] <seek187> ?
[10:24] <Caspar> bob2?
[10:24] <bob2> Caspar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XautoconfigurationDebug
[10:25] <Caspar> ill try
[10:29] <Caspar> ehiy number 4 it says cannot stat
[10:29] <Caspar> no such file or dir
[10:29] <wood1> how do I mount NTFS Partition ?
[10:30] <bob2> wood1: sure that's no answered in the FAQ?
[10:30] <Agrajag> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxy /mnt/mountpoint -o ro
[10:30] <Agrajag> change hdxy and mountpoint to suit you
[10:30] <wood1> Can I write to it ?
[10:31] <Agrajag> no
[10:31] <Caspar> bob2: it says cannont stat. nu such file or dir
[10:31] <bob2> Caspar: what does?
[10:32] <Caspar> bob2 if i do it whit numer 4 of the site you gave me
[10:33] <Gmail> stop saying gmail
[10:33] <bob2> Gmail: change your nick
[10:33] <Agrajag> stop being named gmail
[10:33] <seek187> lol
[10:33] <bob2> you easily have the stupidest nick in here
[10:33] <bob2> Caspar: you don't have a X config file at all?
[10:34] <bob2> what did you do to it?
[10:34] <Caspar> i was in the file first
[10:34] <bob2> ?
[10:34] <Caspar> bob2: stvn told me to do this command
[10:35] <bob2> what command?
[10:35] <Caspar> sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[10:35] <bob2> that doesn't delete the file
[10:35] <Caspar> w8
[10:35] <Caspar> i cee the error
[10:36] <wood1> seek187, Thanks, thanks, thanks for GMAIL, it's working now
[10:36] <Caspar> did ect instaid of etc
[10:36] <Caspar> :|
[10:36] <seek187> wood1, n/p
[10:37] <Junkie> i have a problem :(
[10:37] <daniels> i don't actually use gmail much myself
[10:37] <seek187> ?
[10:37] <daniels> my gmail account just forwards to foosihbar
[10:38] <Junkie> after installing it boots and gets to loading hotplug
[10:38] <Junkie> and just stalls
[10:38] <seek187> Junkie, it should keep loading it did that to me too
[10:38] <Junkie> just wait awhile?
[10:38] <seek187> Junkie, does it have fatal errors?
[10:38] <Junkie> nope
[10:38] <seek187> oh
[10:38] <Junkie> just sits there
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> gmail?
[10:38] <seek187> well it takes awhile and I have had it lock up on me there before
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> seek where how?
[10:39] <seek187> might want to try to boot again
[10:39] <Junkie> okay
[10:39] <seek187> Tsjoklat,  huh?
[10:39] <Junkie> ill let it sit for a minute or two
[10:39] <Junkie> thanks
[10:39] <Tsjoklat> it seems you gave some advice about gmail
[10:39] <Tsjoklat> I was 'occupied'
[10:39] <Tsjoklat> what was it? :)
[10:39] <seek187> yeah the pop3 settings for Evolution
[10:39] <seek187> helping him set it up
[10:40] <Tsjoklat> if only I could get evolution to start up....
[10:40] <Tsjoklat> would you mind flopping it one more tine for me? *bats eyelashes*
[10:40] <seek187> lol
[10:40] <seek187> Just use SSL on pop3 and smtp and it works fine
[10:40] <seek187> And use your whole address for login
[10:41] <sanitario> is anyone else having troubles with upgrading sed in hoary today?
[10:41] <Caspar> bob2: it is wierd again
[10:41] <seek187> sanitario, sed is broken
[10:41] <sanitario> seek187: good, that's what I thought.
[10:41] <seek187> Tsjoklat, heh
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> seek187 and I just went through the sed drama
[10:42] <seek187> I know :(
[10:42] <Tsjoklat> but we survived
[10:43] <`Gumby> lo all.  I am interrested in trying out ubuntu and was wondering if a person can do a network install of it
[10:43] <Tsjoklat> and we are here to save the rest
[10:43] <Caspar> bob2?
[10:43] <Tsjoklat> <-- in a mood.. please ignore
[10:43] <Tsjoklat> Gumby you can
[10:44] <`Gumby> Tsjoklat, just the standard boot.img and root.img that debain uses?
[10:44] <Caspar> hello bob2 are you there?
[10:44] <Tsjoklat> Gumby I reckon.. there is a page about that on the wiki
[10:47] <Caspar> hello can anyone help me?
[10:49] <chemaja> to irssi users: the Startup-HOWTO describes a "/network" command, but when i type the command into irssi, i get "20:43 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: network". what's my problem?
[10:49] <Caspar> hello?
[10:51] <Caspar> annyone here?
[10:51] <trey`> chemaja: what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:51] <trey`> chemaja: I have never seen a /network command, and have used a lot of IRC clients  :/
[10:52] <Caspar> seek187: can you help me whit my screen on my laptop?
[10:52] <seek187> eh, im not good a X configs :/
[10:53] <Caspar> who is?
[10:53] <chemaja> trey`: i'm wanting to list 'networks' as defined in the irssi config
[10:53] <chemaja> trey`: apparently "/ircnet" works
[10:54] <xukun> hi
[10:55] <Caspar> seek187: who is then Good at x config?
[10:55] <trey`> seek187: seek murder? was that intentional?
[10:55] <opi> seek187: how about dpkg-recofigure xserver-xfree86?
[10:56] <seek187> trey`, eh sorta it used to be something else it was a gaming nick I used in half-life :P
[10:56] <trey`> ahh... that kinda works  :)
[10:56] <seek187> heh
[10:57] <Caspar> but who can help me then?
[10:57] <trey`> Caspar: depends whats wrong...
[10:58] <Caspar> trey`: my scren
[10:58] <Caspar> screen*
[10:58] <Caspar> Laptop
[10:58] <trey`> Caspar: thats pretty non-specific...
[10:58] <trey`> Whats wrong with the screen?  :/
[10:58] <Caspar> it vibrates
[10:58] <Caspar> 3times
[10:58] <Caspar> i cee it
[10:59] <Caspar> gooing down
[10:59] <Caspar> and 2times to the side
[10:59] <seek187> maybe the refresh rate is to high?
[10:59] <Caspar> donno
[10:59] <Caspar> where can i edit that?
[10:59] <Caspar> first need to bood in safe :|
[10:59] <trey`> Caspar: ahh... never heard of that  :/
[11:00] <Caspar> trey`: there's alway's an first one
[11:00] <Caspar> :P
[11:00] <trey`> Caspar: I don't see how X would do that though  :(
[11:01] <trey`> Caspar: I saw that you told someone there is no /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file?
[11:01] <daniels> trey`: timing issues
[11:01] <trey`> daniels: ahh... please help him... then I can go to bed  :D
[11:02] <Caspar> trey`:no there was only i typed it wrong
[11:02] <Junkie> it still stalls at Starting Hotplug
[11:02] <seek187> Hmm weird
[11:02] <Junkie> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2398&highlight=starting+hotplug
[11:02] <Junkie> here is a post about it
[11:03] <Junkie> idle=poll
[11:03] <Junkie> is what it says to put in
[11:03] <trey`> Caspar: daniels = X maintainer... he's the best person to ask  :)
[11:03] <Junkie> think that will work?
[11:04] <seek187> I have no clue I know it happend to me the first time and I rebooted and it never happend again so I'm not sure
[11:04] <seek187> You could try doing that
[11:04] <Junkie> i just hit e at grub right
[11:04] <Junkie> and add that in?
[11:04] <Caspar> daniels: you there?
[11:05] <Caspar> daniels can you help me?
[11:05] <trey`> Caspar: My best guess would be to adjust the HorizSync and VertSync values to something more suitable for your monitor... for instance, 30-60 and 50-100 respectively is recommended for 1024x768...
[11:06] <Junkie> okay off to try a fix
[11:07] <setepo> hi
[11:07] <setepo> in which package is the xcompmgr program?
[11:07] <trey`> setepo: should be exactly that...
[11:07] <trey`> sudo apt-get install xcompmgr
[11:08] <trey`> setepo: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3799
[11:08] <xukun> how can I see if I have an apache group
[11:08] <xukun> ?
[11:08] <wood1> What is the benifits of xcompmgr while using XOrg ?
[11:08] <Caspar> Daniels are you there?
[11:09] <setepo> trey`, um.. I have no that package =/
[11:09] <daniels> Caspar: sorry, not paying much attention to irc
[11:09] <Treenaks> wood1: none yet
[11:09] <seek187> wood1, you get fancy shadows with windows and fading menus if you want but its really buggy
[11:09] <setepo> trey`, is it in hoary?
[11:09] <daniels> Caspar: edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and try removing your HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[11:09] <trey`> wood1: umm... manageing the composite extensions...
[11:10] <Treenaks> wood1: it's slow..
[11:10] <trey`> daniels: I got in trouble here for telling someone to do that  :(
[11:11] <trey`> Caspar: ps, he means VertSync...   :)
[11:11] <Caspar> daniels: the edousent work
[11:11] <Caspar> edi
[11:11] <Caspar> t
[11:12] <Treenaks> Caspar: you can't edit the file?
[11:12] <trey`> Caspar: by edit, he means vi/nano/etc
[11:12] <daniels> Caspar: I have no idea, sorry
[11:12] <Caspar> O LOL
[11:12] <trey`> daniels: s/he is just being slow  ;)
[11:12] <Caspar> i types just edit
[11:12] <Caspar> :|
[11:12] <seek187> Caspar, try sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:13] <Junkie> still no luck
[11:13] <Junkie> i am getting an error first though that says KDSKBENT invalid arguemnt
[11:13] <trey`> Caspar: such things need not be said  :)
[11:13] <trey`> Tsjoklat: sounds fun  ;)
[11:13] <seek187> Junkie, before hotplug starts?
[11:13] <Junkie> yeah
[11:14] <Tsjoklat> yes mr. Bo should be happy that I love her so much... I could strangle her right now
[11:14] <Junkie> its one of the first messages after Grub loads ubuntu
[11:14] <Caspar> daniel: and wehre do i remove the horizsync and vertrefrech
[11:14] <Caspar> daniels: and wehre do i remove the horizsync and vertrefrech
[11:14] <trey`> Tsjoklat: Mr Bo is a female?
[11:14] <Tsjoklat> mr. Bo is female
[11:14] <trey`> Caspar: the lines state "HorizSync" and "VertSync"... they are mid way down...
[11:14] <Treenaks> Caspar: there's only in one palce
[11:15] <trey`> Tsjoklat: that makes very little sense  :(  Shouldn't be Ms. Bo?  :o
[11:15] <Tsjoklat> no no no
[11:15] <Tsjoklat> mr. Bo is a huge 26 pound Maine Coon
[11:15] <trey`> Caspar: you see them yet?
[11:16] <Caspar> nope
[11:16] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: bo the ancient Debian release? :P
[11:16] <Tsjoklat> she acts like she got *bad word*
[11:16] <xukun> What I,m missing here, "useradd -d /home/svnroot -c subversion svn"  This also creates a new group, svn  and at this point only user svn  is in the group yes?
[11:16] <kaput> i have suspend working quite well. however, upon resuming, somehow the power button is triggered and starts the power down script.
[11:17] <kaput> anyone have any ideas?
[11:17] <trey`> xukun: umm... user before options...
[11:17] <wood1> Where do I get Xcompmgmr and how do I install it ?
[11:17] <seek187> Junkie, is  USB legacy support off in the BIOS?
[11:17] <Junkie> dunno
[11:17] <trey`> enless I'm more tired then I thought  :/
[11:17] <Caspar> can't fild it daniels
[11:17] <Tsjoklat> well she started out as Scruf
[11:17] <Junkie> a post said that it wouldnt matter
[11:17] <Junkie> on or off
[11:17] <Tsjoklat> then Huffle
[11:17] <Junkie> from what i read
[11:17] <Junkie> i guess it wouldnt hurt to go try it
[11:17] <seek187> I was reading a page on google about that error comes up when its off
[11:17] <trey`> Caspar: stop bothering him enless you do it and it doesn't work...
[11:17] <Tsjoklat> then Buffel... then Bo then mister Bo Jingles
[11:18] <seek187> hmm dunno just guessing
[11:18] <Junkie> do i want it on or off?
[11:18] <Tsjoklat> and now ... mr. bo
[11:18] <trey`> Caspar: They are in Section "Monitor"...
[11:18] <seek187> on
[11:18] <Junkie> okay
[11:18] <Junkie> i guess ill go try that
[11:18] <xukun> trey`, how sure are u?
[11:18] <Caspar> :| oke i am blind
[11:18] <trey`> xukun: not at all... and am wrong  :(
[11:19] <Caspar> OKe its deleted
[11:19] <xukun> hmm
[11:19] <Caspar> Daniels what now?
[11:19] <trey`> xukun: cept, its not creating a group that I can see... that would be -g or -G
[11:19] <trey`> (-g = primary, -G = secondary)
[11:20] <xukun> trey`, thanks anyway
[11:20] <trey`> Caspar: restart x... either ctrl alt backspace, or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:20] <Caspar> trey`: i am in recovery mode
[11:21] <trey`> xukun: no really... you have no pointer to a group... its easier to edit /etc/passwd (for user accounts) and /etc/groups (for group info) though...
[11:21] <trey`> Caspar: ok... save the file and reboot...
[11:21] <trey`> xukun: those files are the reason I am not good at the commands... the commands are kinda overkill...
[11:23] <Caspar> trey`: again same screen
[11:23] <Tsjoklat> trey check your email
[11:23] <Junkie> still no luck
[11:24] <Junkie> guess i wont be using ubuntu :(
[11:24] <seek187> hmm, that sucks I  have no idea
[11:24] <trey`> Tsjoklat: will do  :)
[11:25] <Tsjoklat> :)
[11:25] <trey`> Caspar: hmm... thats not good... I have no idea what could be wrong :(
[11:25] <wood1> Does anyone here have script to copy certain fields of a web page and not other fields ?
[11:25] <Junkie> well thanks for the help
[11:25] <Caspar> daniels
[11:26] <Junkie> im off to find another distro to try
[11:26] <seek187> Junkie, do you have a USB keyboard plugged into a hub?
[11:26] <Caspar> can you helpme again?
[11:26] <Junkie> nope
[11:26] <daniels> Caspar: i have no idea, sorry
[11:26] <Junkie> usb is empty
[11:26] <seek187> ah ok
[11:26] <Caspar> Daniels
[11:26] <Caspar> can someone else help me?
[11:26] <trey`> Caspar: if daniels has no idea, no one does... sorry...
[11:27] <Caspar> :|
[11:27] <wood1> How do I connect to a Oracle database using PHP ?
[11:27] <Caspar> back to Suse then
[11:27] <Caspar> i hoped that you knew it
[11:27] <Gmail> eeek
[11:27] <trey`> Caspar: shitty  :/
[11:27] <deFrysk> sed is broken in hoary ?
[11:27] <trey`> Caspar: at least try Fedora or something... SuSE just sucks (imo)
[11:27] <seek187> deFrysk, yes it is
[11:28] <Caspar> (it is even 32but software on a 64 bit computer :|
[11:28] <Junkie> i'm tired of wasting cd-r's
[11:28] <Junkie> lol
[11:28] <Caspar> and i know suse sucks
[11:28] <deFrysk> seek187, darn
[11:28] <Gmail> SuSE stands for Swerst ulinux Sdistro EVER
[11:28] <deFrysk> is it being fixed ?
[11:28] <Caspar> but its the only other version i have of linux :|
[11:28] <seek187> already is i think
[11:28] <Junkie> i could stick with windows
[11:28] <Caspar> so i only can use Suse :|
[11:28] <wood1> Anyone here who is an expert in scripting ?
[11:29] <seek187> sometime today it will be in I heard
[11:29] <trey`> Gmail: negative... there are 200+ mainstream distro's... SUSE is far from the worst... certainly not one of the best these days though...
[11:29] <wood1> I need desperate help in scripting
[11:29] <deFrysk> seek187, k :)
[11:29] <Caspar> and another error
[11:29] <Caspar> the boot screen dousent saw WIndows
[11:30] <trey`> Caspar: need to set LBA in BIOS..
[11:30] <Caspar> what in what?
[11:30] <Caspar> o lol
[11:30] <Caspar> know what BIOS is :P
[11:31] <Caspar> so what in Bios
[11:31] <Caspar> ?
[11:31] <trey`> Caspar: Logical Block Allocation or something... I dunno... but it needs to be enabled to boot into Winblows using GRUB...
[11:32] <Caspar> well
[11:32] <Caspar> it works whit this computer and whit suse :|
[11:32] <seek187> he'll have to update his menu.1st to
[11:32] <trey`> seek187: why?
[11:33] <seek187> well if it is already written with out windows in it .. it won't rewrite it for him will it?
[11:33] <trey`> seek187: d-i tries to detect winblows... if it finds it, it will put an option in there by itself...
[11:33] <seek187> ohh ok..
[11:33] <seek187> nevermind then :)
[11:33] <deFrysk> sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --force --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[11:33] <trey`> seek187: he wouldn't even see the option if d-i hadn't detected it  :)
[11:33] <deFrysk> or something to make it work
[11:34] <seek187> I see
[11:34] <Tsjoklat> did you get it trey
[11:34] <seek187> whenever I update grub it wipes out my windows entrys so I just add it back in there
[11:34] <trey`> Tsjoklat: I got the mail... not sure if I want to download a tar.gz right now though  :(
[11:34] <Tsjoklat> what do you mean?
[11:34] <Tsjoklat> it is tiny?
[11:35] <Tsjoklat> you want me to send just a regular file?
[11:35] <trey`> seek187: yeah, thats grub... chances are he hasn't ran update-grub or grub-install though  ;)
[11:35] <seek187> yea
[11:35] <trey`> Tsjoklat: would be better  :)  I am kinda paranoid  :(
[11:35] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[11:35] <Tsjoklat> ok ok ok have another lager love
[11:35] <trey`> 8-)
[11:36] <trey`> Caspar: hah... I will eventually  :)
[11:36] <Caspar> :P
[11:37] <Tsjoklat> trey oh paranoia one it has been sent
[11:37] <trey`> Tsjoklat: gratzi  :)
[11:37] <Tsjoklat> :)
[11:39] <Caspar> and a question for Suse KDE
[11:39] <Caspar> someone knows something about that?
[11:40] <__danie1> Caspar: ask your question and you'll see
[11:40] <Caspar> how can i make the screen @ a better resolution so i don't get those big letters and Icon's
[11:42] <wood1> By the way, how do I back up my GRUB Configuration in a floppy disk just incase Windows NT loader overwrite it?
[11:44] <wood1> Anyone can help me to back up my GRUB Loader in case of imergency
[11:44] <Caspar> ?
[11:44] <Caspar> how can i make the screen @ a better resolution so i don't get those big letters and Icon's
[11:44] <Caspar> on SUSE KDE
[11:45] <Gmail> yuck
[11:45] <__danie1> Caspar: nobody seems to know, or somebody knowing it just didnt read your question yet... try to be patient
[11:45] <Gmail> suse is yuck it self but KDE SICK!
[11:46] <daniels> Gmail: dude
[11:46] <daniels> let it go
[11:46] <Caspar> i know it sucks but UBUNTU dousent work
[11:46] <Treenaks> Caspar: no, X does not work on your ubuntu installation, slight difference
[11:46] <Gmail> Caspar: md5sum check cds ...
[11:46] <stvn> Caspar: you're on suse now?
[11:46] <trey`> Gmail: hah... you got told off by an ex-KDE maintainer  ;)
[11:46] <Caspar> yes on Suse no
[11:46] <Caspar> w
[11:47] <stvn> Caspar: check the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file
[11:47] <stvn> preferably copy it to floppy or something and use that for you ubuntu setup
[11:48] <Caspar> stvn: i am allready installing Suse 9.1 again now
[11:48] <stvn> Caspar: ah you gave up on ubuntu ;)
[11:49] <Caspar> stvn: ya
[11:49] <Caspar> stvn: trey` said when daniels couldent help me nobody could
[11:49] <Treenaks> Caspar: well, if you have suse, just copy the xf86config file somewhere safe
[11:49] <Treenaks> Caspar: then re-install ubuntu
[11:49] <Treenaks> Caspar: and make it use the suse config file
[11:50] <Treenaks> Caspar: that should work
[11:50] <tolstoy-> How do I recover from: Setting up sed (4.1.2-2) ... No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[11:50] <seek187> tolstoy, you can't now
[11:50] <tolstoy-> apt-get -f install didn't do it.
[11:50] <seek187> its broke
[11:50] <Treenaks> tolstoy-: wait
[11:50] <Caspar> Treenaks: sry but i don't have floppy
[11:50] <tolstoy-> Oh. Okay.
[11:51] <Treenaks> Caspar: USB key, CD-R, DVD-RW, memory card, digital camera?
[11:51] <Caspar> Treenaks: have USB mp3speeler
[11:52] <Caspar> but dous it work on safe
[11:52] <Treenaks> Caspar: if you can copy a file to it, that's enough
[11:52] <maz1977> I need to install software to burn cdr and dvd. Can you tell me a name?
[11:52] <Treenaks> Caspar: or you could mail it to yourself
[11:52] <Caspar> yes but can i use it on Ubuntu failsafe?
[11:53] <seek187> there you go mail it to yourself
[11:53] <Treenaks> maz1977: data CDs, images or audio/mixed CDs?
[11:53] <Caspar> becose i can't get in the Gnome online on ubuntu
[11:53] <maz1977> treenaks: data principally
[11:53] <seek187> Caspar, you can use links
[11:53] <Caspar> :|
[11:53] <Caspar> how?
[11:54] <seek187> its a text based web browser
[11:54] <Treenaks> maz1977: just use the built-in burning in nautilus
[11:54] <deFrysk> http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/PAT-NEEDS-YOUR-HELP.txt  :(
[11:54] <Treenaks> maz1977: open a file window, then in the 'places' menu
[11:54] <Caspar> how can i install it if i can't get to Gnome?
[11:55] <seek187> Caspar, apt-get install links
[11:55] <seek187> or lynx
[11:55] <seek187> whichever
[11:55] <maz1977> treenaks: thanks find it. Can I use it to burn iso?
[11:55] <seek187> maz1977, right click on the iso and burn it that way
[11:55] <Treenaks> maz1977: yes, right-click the ISO image, then select "burn to cd" from the menu
[11:56] <Caspar> oke but i am no off to breakfast
[11:56] <maz1977> where easy!
[11:57] <maz1977> ops, very easy
[11:59] <maz1977> where I can set to don't open new file window when I'm doubleclick?
[11:59] <deFrysk> bouble click with wheel button
[11:59] <deFrysk> double
[11:59] <trey`> Tsjoklat: *poke*
[12:00] <Tsjoklat> yeeeeees
[12:00] <trey`> Cute cat  8-)
[12:00] <trey`> Fat cat though  :o
[12:01] <Tsjoklat> mr. Bo is NOT fat
[12:01] <Tsjoklat> she is big boned
[12:01] <trey`> mmmhmm  :P
[12:01] <trey`> I miss having pets  :(
[12:02] <Tsjoklat> I got four lol
[12:03] <trey`> Cats rule... so fun... and they can read body language better than dogs  :)
[12:03] <trey`> But yeah... I'm going to bed foreal this time  8)
[12:04] <trey`> night  :)
[12:04] <Tsjoklat> nighters trey :)
[12:04] <neill> nn
[12:05] <trey`> neill: just after 4am  :(
[12:06] <the_one> hi everybody
[12:07] <wood1> So how do I backup my GRUB loader on a floppy disk in case some other boot loader overwrites it ???
[12:08] <the_one> I freed some space on my win partition and I want to give it to the ubuntu partition. I am on reiserfs, how does it support partition resizing, I never done that before, and I can't afford losing the data in my ubuntu installation.
[12:09] <the_one> anyone?
[12:10] <ljlane> the_one: basically, put a file system on the floppy, copy /boot/grub/ there, and use grub-install on the floppy
[12:11] <ljlane> sorry, that was foor wood1
[12:11] <Treenaks> ljlane: heh, I do that with my 64MB /boot compactflash card :)
[12:11] <Treenaks> ljlane: grub can't boot from software RAID5 :(
[12:17] <the_one> ljlane: how about my question? can you give me any suggestion?
[12:22] <the_one> I am affraid o f damaging my ubuntu installation, I need to resize my reiserfs partition, it would be really kind if someone could tell me if resizing reiserfs isn't more dangerous than resizing...FAT, for exmple (i'm not comparing the two, just want someone to say that it's ok or not)
[12:26] <the_one> ok..thanks
[12:26] <the_one> bye
[12:41] <herman_> how would one recommend to burn cd's in ubuntu? what cdwrite problems fits in most nicely for novice users?
[12:42] <mjr> herman_, if we're talking data cds, just burn them with nautilus
[12:43] <herman_> mjr, where would i find nautilus burn feature?
[12:44] <herman_> ah i found it hidden in some menu. :P DVD/CD maker
[12:44] <herman_> i'll test that, thnx
[12:45] <mjr> yep
[12:45] <seek187> herman_, and if you want to burn an ISO just right click on the ISO and click write to CD
[12:45] <herman_> mjr, and what would you recommend for audio cd's?
[12:45] <daniels> colllliiiinnnnn!
[12:45] <herman_> seek187, ah thats nice too.
[12:45] <daniels> Kamion:
[12:45] <daniels> NONE
[12:45] <daniels> Usage: install-keymap [ keymap_file | NONE | KERNEL ] 
[12:45] <daniels> dpkg: error processing console-common (--configure):
[12:45] <daniels>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[12:45] <daniels> [...] 
[12:46] <mjr> herman_, not sure currently
[12:46] <herman_> mjr, i could not find mature gnome cdburning tools
[12:46] <mjr> hopefully Hoary will have audio cd burning in rhythmbox, until then you'd have to use some of the other apps like xcdroast, gtoaster or k3b etc
[12:46] <Riddell> herman_: k3b
[12:47] <mjr> herman_, besides nautilus, there are none, sadly enough
[12:47] <herman_> Riddell, ok. i hear lot of good things about k3b. although it will probably not fit in really nicely with a gnomedesktop
[12:47] <mjr> no mature ones anyway
[12:47] <daniels> oh, crack.
[12:47] <daniels> Kamion: don't debootstrap warty with LANG=LC_ALL=en_AU.UTF-8.  Bad Things happen.
[12:47] <herman_> mjr, maybe nautilus will implement it in some future release?
[12:48] <mjr> herman_, it? audio burning? I don't know, since rhythmbox is doing that.
[12:48] <herman_> mjr, oh rhythembox. well that will do too
[12:49] <herman_> ok thnx. now its time for lunch :) bbl :)
[12:50] <mjr> of course, this is Real Soon Now stuff anyway, the current situation _is_ rather unfortunate
[12:54] <dreamcatcher> anyone got powernowd working on powerpc?
[12:55] <neill> does PPC even support that kind of power management?
[12:55] <dreamcatcher> yes it does
[12:55] <jordi> I don't get it running on my athlon XP :)
[12:55] <dreamcatcher> its even compiled in by default
[12:55] <dreamcatcher> but its using the 2.4 api it seems
[12:55] <jordi> powernow-k8 says my chip revision isn't supported or something.
[12:55] <dreamcatcher> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_POWERSAVE=m
[12:55] <dreamcatcher> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_GOV_USERSPACE=m
[12:55] <dreamcatcher> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_24_API=y
[12:58] <piovra> hi
[01:04] <mjg59> neill: Sorry, was out last night. speedstep-smi
[01:04] <neill> tried that, 'no such device'
[01:04] <mjg59> Interesting
[01:05] <neill> fiddled with various options and didn't manage to get it to work
[01:05] <mjg59> The old speedstep
[01:05] <mjg59> stuff is mostly undocumented
[01:05] <Jenno> can someone help a noob out?
[01:05] <neill> best thing I could find were suggestions to dig around in the vendor's driver for registry values
[01:05] <mjg59> The other thing to check is that you really do have speedstep
[01:06] <neill> mjg59: yes I do, If I turn set it to slow in windows then reboot it shows cpu speed as 550 and if I turn it to fast it shows it as 700
[01:06] <mjg59> Several laptops around that era still just dropped the clock rate
[01:06] <netmonk> mjg59, stand-by works for me now after your extensive help yesterday
[01:06] <mjg59> Rather than dropping the voltage as well
[01:06] <mjg59> netmonk: Rock
[01:06] <neill> hmm. well I use the intel speed step applet thing ..
[01:06] <neill> and it does claim to have speed step.
[01:07] <neill> mjg59: what is the url for the instructions for PM testing btw?
[01:07] <neill> I coudln't find it last night
[01:07] <mjg59> neill: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[01:07] <neill> thanks.
[01:09] <gorlist> how do i connect to the internet with ubuntu?
[01:09] <netmonk> mjg59, now I close the lid and it goes to stand by, I open it and it comes back after Ctrl+Alt+F1 and Ctrl+Alt+F7. If the wireless pcmcia is on though it hangs. Any ideas how I can turn it off before stand-by and then turn it on after stand-by?
[01:13] <neill> mjg59: also any ideas how to fix the ntpdate script with wireless pcmcia :)
[01:13] <neill> or more to the point, who do I point this problem out to
[01:13] <neill> and is it a proper problem (ntpdate is run before pcmcia cards are brought up)
[01:14] <gorlist> can i use kde on ubuntu?
[01:14] <mercurus_> gorlist, yes. Enable universe, apt-get install kde
[01:15] <mercurus_> neill, you can report it as a bug to bugzilla
[01:15] <mercurus_> and you can fix it by altering the bootscripts in /etc/rc#.d
[01:15] <neill> yes.
[01:15] <neill> this fixed it for me.
[01:15] <gorlist> what's universe?
[01:15] <mercurus_> :)
[01:15] <mercurus_> gorlist, you need to read the FAQs ...
[01:16] <mercurus_> it contains all the not-quite supported software that people have ported to Ubuntu
[01:17] <mercurus_> while not part of the core distribution, it usually works with some tweaking
[01:19] <gorlist> can you help me connect to the internet with ubuntu?
[01:19] <mercurus_> gorlist, what part of connecting to the internet is an issue ?
[01:20] <gorlist> lol all of it
[01:20] <gorlist> i don't know how to connect to it
[01:20] <gorlist> and i don't find the app that lets you connect...
[01:22] <mercurus_> gorlist: dial-up, ethernet to a local gateway, DSL, cable, ISDN ?
[01:22] <nanotech> how do i use nautilis to burn an iso image?
[01:22] <mjg59> netmonk: Add a cardctl eject in the prepare.sh script and a cardctl insert in the resume.sh script
[01:22] <gorlist> dial up
[01:22] <gorlist> isdn
[01:22] <seek187> nanotech, right click on it and click write to disk :)
[01:22] <gorlist> eh i mean pstn
[01:22] <nanotech> ty, seek
[01:22] <seek187> np
[01:24] <Jenno> can someone tell me where i can find a list of available packages... and instructions on how to install them?
[01:24] <Kamion> daniels: not to mention that perl spits out a stupid number of locale errors since the locale isn't generated ...
[01:24] <Kamion> daniels: does the same happen in a regular en_AU.UTF-8 install, though?
[01:25] <bob2> Jenno: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:25] <bob2> Jenno: but ubuntu contains > 10 000 packages
[01:25] <nanotech> is it possible to "export" firefox's bookmarks?
[01:26] <Jenno> ty bob
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: unsure, sorry
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: not too keen to reinstall my laptop :)
[01:26] <Kamion> daniels: I'll give it a shot next time
[01:26] <daniels> Kamion: cheers dude
[01:26] <mercurus_> nanotech, Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks -> File -> Export :)
[01:27] <daniels> Kamion: appears to be largely mitigated by generating the locale
[01:27] <Kamion> daniels: #3693?
[01:27] <Kamion> interesting, same bug but totally different circumstances
[01:30] <netmonk> mjg59, does it matter if it's in the begining or the end of the fiels?
[01:37] <netmonk> mjg59, it works great now! Thanks again!!
[01:40] <mojo_> I have some prob with 'sed'
[01:41] <mojo_> new 'sed' deb package has some bugs, cant install
[01:41] <jordi> mojo_: incoming.debian.org
[01:41] <sid77> already signaled on bugzilla
[01:41] <sid77> yeah
[01:43] <cardador> what is sed? i have some problems with it also
[01:44] <stratus> cardador, it'll be fixed soon.
[01:44] <stratus> cardador, full information at bugzilla.ubuntu.com/3771
[01:44] <cardador> stratus: ok thanks
[01:44] <stratus> np
[01:49] <fissy> i unfortunately just broke the sudoers file, which means i can't sudo nano to correct it
[01:49] <fissy> what should i do?
[01:51] <Kamion> fissy: boot in recovery mode
[01:51] <Kamion> fissy: in future, use 'EDITOR=nano visudo', which will prevent you breaking it
[01:51] <fissy> ok
[01:51] <Treenaks> hey, I just saw "    *
[01:52] <fissy> what line would i put in there to make is so a user didn't have to give his password when using sudo?
[01:52] <Treenaks> hey, I just saw "UPDATE: A lower rate has been negotiated for conference attendees. When making a reservation, mention that you are attending the Canonical Conference and you will be eligible for a rate of 57 + 7% VAT for a double (twin) room." on the wiki.. but I got that rate without mentioning the conference...
[01:52] <krism_> fissy : "NOPASSWD:"
[01:52] <fissy> darn
[01:52] <krism_> krism   ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[01:52] <fissy> i put NOPASSWD: ALL
[01:52] <fissy> thanks
[01:53] <krism_> np
[01:53] <fissy> how do i get into recovery mode? press something when its does its count down after post?
[01:54] <krism_> recovery mode?
[01:54] <krism_> do you mean single user runlevel?
 fissy: boot in recovery mode
[01:54] <fissy> i'd guess so
[01:54] <fissy> ahh he said that before you entered
[01:54] <Kamion> there's an option on the grub menu entitled "recovery mode"
[01:54] <fissy> ok
[01:54] <fissy> ta
[01:54] <fissy> will try that...
[01:54] <Kamion> press escape to get to the grub menu, if you don't see it normally
[01:54] <krism_> oh :) not terribly familiar with ubuntus menu :)
[01:55] <krism_> Kamion : i assume it boots into runlevel 1?
[01:55] <gorlist> how do you connect to the internet with ubuntu??
[01:55] <krism_> gorlist : via what means? (dialup, ethernet, etc)
[01:56] <Kamion> krism_: yes, it adds the 'single' option and removes 'quiet splash'
[01:56] <krism_> Kamion : ah :) tx
[01:57] <theine> anybody upgraded Hoary today? I have a problem with the sed package...
[01:57] <Witch> ToTo : and your little dog, too.
[01:58] <krism_> gorlist : ...
[01:59] <gorlist> dialup
[02:00] <Kamion> theine: yes, known, will be fixed soon by sync from Debian
[02:00] <theine> Alright, thanks
[02:01] <mojo_> hehe
[02:01] <mojo_> xchat is updated!
[02:01] <mojo_> yahoo! I love new xchat!
[02:02] <mojo_> Kamion: when the nvidia-kernel 6.029 update to universe?
[02:04] <mojo_> seb128: have u up the newest gnome-icons (sync from Debian)?
[02:04] <Adrenal> i know this is offtopic, but in thunderbird, i put in the wrong password, but i set it to save, how do i change the password?
[02:04] <seb128> mojo_: ?
[02:04] <gorlist> anyone?
[02:04] <fabbione> mojo_: when i will have the time to update the package
[02:04] <fabbione> also
[02:04] <hbos> Adrenal, it should ask for password if its denied
[02:04] <Adrenal> never mind
[02:04] <fabbione> there have been rumors that the new nvidia drivers are not stable
[02:04] <seb128> there is no package to update afaik
[02:04] <hbos> oh
[02:04] <fabbione> so kinda pointless to update them now
[02:05] <mojo_> fabbione: i c, thx for the info
[02:05] <seb128> mojo_: which gnome-icons ?
[02:05] <mojo_> seb128: incoming.debian.com, there is new gnome-icons packages up on 17 Nov
[02:05] <seb128> gnome-icon-theme (2.8.0-0ubuntu1) warty; urgency=low
[02:05] <seb128> Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:21:12 +0200
[02:06] <seb128> we have it for 2 months
[02:06] <seb128> gnome-icon-theme (2.9.1-0ubuntu1) hoary; urgency=low
[02:06] <seb128> Mon,  1 Nov 2004 17:10:53 +0100
[02:06] <mojo_> seb128: oh oh, I c
[02:06] <daniels> nvidia in instability shock :P
[02:06] <seb128> and we have this one for 2 weeks
[02:06] <seb128> so I don't get the questions
[02:07] <mojo_> seb128: nothing, dun bother, sorry I was confused
[02:07] <seb128> mojo_: np
[02:07] <mojo_> seb128: have u seen the Clock icon in Applet Menu? It's missing, not sure it's a bug or not
[02:08] <seb128> that's a gnome-panel 2.9.1 bug
[02:08] <seb128> will be fixed in 2.9.2
[02:08] <mojo_> seb128: ok, has any submitted bug?
[02:08] <seb128> IIRC yes
[02:08] <seb128> and the bug is already fixed in the CVS
[02:08] <mojo_> seb128: k, then I dun have to submit bug, thx man
[02:09] <seb128> np
[02:09] <jimmings> quelqu'un pourrait me dire comment lancer mldonkey sur ubuntu, svp ?
[02:09] <mojo_> seb128: can we pack the Industrial Steel theme and use it for Hoary? I can debianized the Industrial Version from Novell Linux Dekstop 9
[02:10] <seb128> jimmings: #ubuntu-fr pour parler franais
[02:10] <Kamion> mojo_: we receive automatic notifications when we have new versions to merge from Debian; you don't need to tell us about them
[02:10] <mojo_> ok
[02:11] <seb128> mojo_: ping jdub about this
[02:11] <mojo_> seb128: ok I will
[02:11] <mojo_> Kamion: have u ever thought about using tweak version of gnome-menu from Novell? Adding a tile img at right handside of main menu
[02:13] <Kamion> mojo_: I am not a desktop person.
[02:13] <Kamion> (clue: don't hassle individual developers when you don't know what they do)
[02:14] <mojo_> Kamion: can u give me a list of developers, I want to know what they're working on
[02:14] <Kamion> no
[02:14] <Kamion> mojo_: you have a history of hassling people up to now, I don't want to encourage that; our developers need to have space to work
[02:15] <Kamion> we have bug tracking systems and mailing lists to organise what our developers spend time on
[02:16] <mojo_> Kamion: oh ...ok...sorri if I were a bit annoying, it's just that I want to help but ..abit too childlish way
[02:17] <jimmings> does anybody know how to run mldonkey, please
[02:17] <Kamion> mojo_: the usual channels (bugzilla, mailing lists) aren't there to make your life awkward, honest :-)
[02:20] <mojo_> Kamion: when is the fixed 'sed' up? B/c I just try to remove 'sed' and all of its dep, now my system is going to break anytime if I restart the box
[02:21] <Treenaks> mojo_: soon.
[02:21] <Treenaks> mojo_: < 24 hours, probably.
[02:21] <Kamion> I don't know what time the cron job runs
[02:21] <Kamion> but it won't be until at least Debian's cron.daily fires which is in six or seven hours or so
[02:21] <mojo_> Kamion: i c
[02:21] <Kamion> don't try to remove sed :)
[02:22] <mojo_> Kamion: I did, now I just can't restart, can u help me out by pre-sending me the 'sed' so I can reinstall all important packages?
[02:23] <Kamion> no, grab it from archive.ubuntu.com
[02:23] <mojo_> ok
[02:23] <mojo_> thx
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ the sed you want is on your ubuntu cd
[02:23] <mojo_> :)
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> the installation
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> cd
[02:23] <Kamion> (this is why we only recommend hoary to experienced users of Debian-style systems, by the way ...)
[02:23] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: no man, new sed, not old one!
[02:23] <Tsjoklat> it is on your installation cd
[02:24] <Tsjoklat> when you installed ubu
[02:24] <Kamion> old sed should work well enough to recover
[02:24] <magik> what do i need to change to make apt use 'testing' software instead of the old 'stable' stuff? i want to upgrade some software to the newest version :\
[02:24] <Treenaks> Kamion: that's why I tell people who ask 'how do I install hoary' that if they can't figure that out themselves, they probably shouldn't be using it.
[02:24] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: arhhgg, I know man,!
[02:24] <Treenaks> Kamion: that sounds like a reasonable compromise to me
[02:24] <kensai> does ubuntu auto configure wifi in a laptop?
[02:25] <Kamion> kensai: yes, should do
[02:25] <Treenaks> kensai: you might have to enter your WEP key, but the rest shuold work automagically
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> well a million thanks to Treenaks for helping me earlier :)
[02:25] <kensai> Thanks, I want to know because I want to switch a friend of mine to ubuntu
[02:26] <Jenno> how do i add shortcuts to the menu in gnome?
[02:26] <optika> hi all, my CD-ROM seems to have managed to make itself not hotpluggable in hal's eyes. I don't know what I changed that could've caused that, and I don't know how to change it back.
[02:26] <mojo_> Tsjoklat: man, I just have a new packages for Industrial Steel, go here and grab it, http://hypatia.ca/files/ PS: inlc Ximian XMMS skin!
[02:26] <optika> if I use hal-set-property, it only sticks for the current session, not across reboots. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[02:26] <lhb> (~/schoolstuff/progs/olio/prog6)>
[02:26] <Tsjoklat> mojo great! thanks (woman btw)
[02:26] <mojo_> when will Ubuntu Team release cdimage test?
[02:27] <Kamion> mojo_: I already have
[02:27] <lhb> oops
[02:27] <daniels> mojo_: there's already been one released
[02:27] <mojo_> deniels: daily one?
[02:27] <Tsjoklat> it feels good to have removed evolution
[02:28] <mojo_> deniels: I found it array-1, thx
[02:28] <mojo_> thx
[02:28] <Kamion> daily cdimages are for loonies and developers
[02:28] <Kamion> the distinction between the two is left as an exercise for the reader :-)
[02:28] <daniels> Kamion: there is a very large intersection of those two sets
[02:32] <Jenno> how do i add shortcuts to the menu in gnome?
[02:33] <Gmail> Jenno: applications:/// in your file maniger
[02:33] <Jenno> yeah
[02:33] <Jenno> it won't seem to add the shortcut
[02:33] <nimc> is it possible to force programs to start maximized ?
[02:33] <Treenaks> nimc: some programs remember..
[02:34] <nimc> Treenaks, firefox does... most others don't... is it possible to force the launcher someone to tell it to start maximized ? or another solution ?
[02:34] <umarmung> nimc, and for the apps that dont remember use devilspie
[02:35] <Treenaks> umarmung: devilspie?
[02:35] <nimc> someone=somehow
[02:35] <Treenaks> what's that?
[02:35] <jimmings> mldonkey is installed but i can't see it. how can i run it? please need help
[02:35] <fissy> Kamion and krism_, many thanks for all the help
[02:35] <Treenaks> jimmings: just run it from the command line..
[02:36] <umarmung> Treenaks, it's a small app that perfoms actions on apps that match your criteria, e.g. max all apps called xchat
[02:36] <umarmung> Treenaks, very handy
[02:36] <Treenaks> umarmung: intuitive name, too
[02:36] <jimmings> what to type ?
[02:37] <Gmail> Jenno: do you have famd running?
[02:37] <Treenaks> jimmings: well, you said the program name.. just type it
[02:37] <Gmail> it will only update if fam is running and if it isn't it woundn't in any distro
[02:37] <jimmings> i typed mldonkey but nothing works
[02:38] <Treenaks> jimmings: and if you type it on the command line?
[02:38] <Treenaks> jimmings: in a terminal?
[02:38] <Jenno> what's famnd?
[02:39] <jimmings> do i have to go to its directory ?
[02:39] <Gmail> Jenno: fam
[02:39] <Jenno> ?
[02:39] <jimmings> yes
[02:41] <kensai> how do you guys rate the ubuntu livecd? Perfect, Even, Bad ?
[02:41] <kensai> Is thats I am using a Live cd at university right now and maybe I'll switch to ubuntu livecd
[02:41] <Jenno> Gmail: What's fam?
[02:42] <Gmail> Jenno: apt-cache show fam
[02:43] <Gmail> Jenno: and if you are using hoary then it gamin you want its way better
[02:43] <Caspar> Treenaks?
[02:43] <Jenno> Gmail: In language an idiot understands?
[02:45] <Treenaks> Caspar?
[02:45] <Gmail> centurion: are you a trubble maker
[02:45] <Caspar> nvm allready been helpt on the other chanel
[02:46] <centurion> Gmail: Why am I a troublemaker?
[02:46] <centurion> whatever
[02:46] <daniels> Gmail: easy.
[02:46] <centurion> I just woke up dude
[02:46] <nimc> umarmung, i didn't find an example for ~/.devilspie.xml  - how to use devilspie ?
[02:47] <gen> I'm a troublemaker
[02:47] <umarmung> nimc, look in /usr/share/doc/devilspie
[02:48] <|Spi|> hi there
[02:48] <gen> there hi
[02:48] <nimc> umarmung, thanks
[02:48] <Jenno> Anywho, the problem i have is that after i create a launcher... nothing appears in the internet dir
[02:49] <neill> Hi, I'm having some problems with mail.
[02:49] <neill> I get an error message : Nov 17 13:42:20 fresco postfix/local[4075] : fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: No such file or directory
[02:49] <|Spi|> i have a problem ... if i try to mount my cdrom (or windows partitions) i get an error that only root can do that ... the user who tries this is included in the cdrom users grp and is mentioned in /etc/fstab
[02:49] <neill> that file does exist, but seems to be binary data.....
[02:49] <Jenno> eg i put in thunderbird for the name and /usr/local/share/thunderbird/thunderbird and click okay but then nothing happens
[02:50] <|Spi|> and it is the default user created during the ubuntu installation
[02:53] <Jenno> anyone?
[02:53] <Gmail> centurion: your username
[02:54] <Gmail> Jenno: what
[02:54] <Tsjoklat> gmail: you mean his id
[02:54] <Caspar> treenaks hurry up :P
[02:54] <Gmail> Tsjoklat: its called his username
[02:55] <Tsjoklat> Gmail: okay
[02:55] <Gmail> Jenno: haory  or warty?
[02:55] <Jenno> warty
[02:55] <Tsjoklat> testy testy
[02:56] <daniels> Gmail: it's irrelevant, juts leave it
[02:56] <neill> no one knows about mail aliases then?
[02:56] <Gmail> daniels: it is it wound mean if his using fam or gamin
[02:56] <neill> I'm trying to get root's e-mail to go elsewhere....
[02:56] <Gmail> neill: use base-config
[02:57] <Kamion> no, don't use base-config
[02:57] <Kamion> just edit /etc/aliases
[02:57] <Gmail> Jenno: sudo apt-get update
[02:57] <Gmail> Jenno: sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:57] <neill> Kamion: I've tried that and have added root: foo@bar.com
[02:57] <Gmail> Jenno: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base
[02:57] <neill> and the mail doesn't seem to go there
[02:57] <Gmail> Jenno: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:57] <Gmail> Jenno: sudo famd
[02:57] <neill> the /var/log/mail.log file suggests local delivery is attempted
[02:57] <neill> (and works, but mutt/mail don't seem to think root has mail)
[02:57] <daniels> Gmail: i'm talking about the centurion thing
[02:58] <Gmail> ok
[02:58] <Kamion> neill: may need to run 'newaliases'
[02:58] <|Spi|> so noone knows how i can mount a cdrom as normal user?
[02:59] <neill> Kamion: bingo. thanks.
[03:00] <Jenno> Gmail: ok, done
[03:00] <Gmail> Jenno: it MUST work
[03:00] <Gmail> if not you stuff it up
[03:02] <Jenno> how can i be stuffing it up?
[03:02] <Jenno> all there is to it is doing create launcher... putting in Thunderbird for the name and /usr/local/share/thunderbird/thunderbird for the command
[03:02] <daniels> Gmail: please be more polite.
[03:02] <Jenno> i click ok, then nothing happens
[03:03] <Gmail> Jenno: all links are in /usr/bin
[03:04] <seek187> Jenno, for the command all you need to do is put thunderbird
[03:04] <Gmail> the should be pointing to /usr/bin/thunderbird
[03:04] <Gmail> seek187: not if his making a sort cut
[03:04] <seek187> hmm I do it all the time
[03:04] <Gmail> the should be pointing to /usr/bin/thunderbird <<< is correct
[03:05] <Gmail> seek187: not when your doing ln
[03:05] <seek187> oh I see I thought he was doing something else :/
[03:05] <hbos> What is a recommende format/program to write documentation for end users?
[03:06] <Gmail> seek187: and gnome happens to use ln to make its sort cuts
[03:07] <seek187> I just right click in the menu and add entry
[03:07] <Kamion> we call them "symbolic links" or "symlinks" in Unix; shortcuts are from Windows and are slightly different
[03:07] <jind> hbos, I think you want to take a look at the linux documentation project and see what formats they use there. I think they have tools to write a manual one time - and port it to multiple formats in a easy way
[03:08] <Jenno> i don't understand
[03:08] <Jenno> there's nothing in /usr/bin/ called thunderbird
[03:08] <optika> sorry to repeat a question ... my CD-ROM seems to have managed to make itself not hotpluggable in hal's eyes. I don't know what I changed that could've caused that, and I don't know how to change it back.
[03:08] <optika> if I use hal-set-property, it only sticks for the current session, not across reboots. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[03:09] <optika> Jenno: "which thunderbird" at a command prompt will tell you where it is running it from
[03:09] <Tsjoklat> daniels, do you know anything about the trash applet bug?
[03:09] <Kamion> Jenno: it's mozilla-thunderbird
[03:10] <seb128> Tsjoklat: which bug ?
[03:10] <Tsjoklat> the one you filed seb
[03:10] <seb128> Tsjoklat: I've not filed any bug afaik
[03:11] <Tsjoklat> I read it on the bugzilla seb128
[03:11] <seb128> Kamion: me too :)
[03:11] <seb128> Tsjoklat: bug number ?
[03:12] <Jenno> I think i've done something wrong then... the only dir with anything related to thunderbird is the one that i copied the thunderbird dir 2
[03:12] <Jenno> *to rather than 2
[03:13] <seek187> Jenno, then you should link it to /usr/bin so its in your path
[03:13] <Jenno> how do i do that?
[03:13] <Gmail> hmm any gui programs from helping of making a network not so n00bish like smoothwall
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> seb128 it's not there anymore :{
[03:14] <seb128> Tsjoklat: it was the drag&drop not working in hoary ?
[03:14] <Gmail> Jenno: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> seb128 yes
[03:14] <Gmail> don't install the mozilla package or other unoffical ones
[03:14] <lemsx1> Gmail, do you mean: firestarter ?
[03:14] <seb128> Tsjoklat: this was a gtk+ bug and it's fixed for some days with gtk+2.5.5
[03:15] <Tsjoklat> seb128: you told me it still has problems with gdm... is that correct?
[03:15] <seb128> this has been fixed and gtk+2.5.5 has been uploaded since then
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> seb128: it still doesn't work for me... I thought it was related to gdm and was unsolveble?
[03:16] <Gmail> lemsx1: a network
[03:16] <Gmail> not a firewall
[03:16] <seb128> Tsjoklat: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0
[03:16] <Tsjoklat> seb128 it is installed
[03:16] <lemsx1> Gmail, ummm, i'm not sure what you want to do... but the smoothwall sounded like a firewall...
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> seb128 when I try to drag it into the trash I get black lines on my screen like in a box sort of thing and no worky
[03:17] <seb128> Tsjoklat: sure it is, what is the version
[03:17] <Gmail> lemsx1: smoothwall is a crapy distro that is like winbloat but is a help for setting up a network
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> 2.5.5-0ubuntu2
[03:17] <Jenno> ah! there we go
[03:18] <Jenno> now it worked
[03:18] <Jenno> Thanks a lot for the help everyone
[03:18] <lemsx1> Gmail, what do you mean by "setup a network" setup windows shares? setup nfs shares?
[03:18] <Gmail> no i don't have any winbloat computers thank G-d
[03:18] <seb128> Tsjoklat: ok, so the drag&drop bug is fixed, perhaps you have an another one but no bug for this in bugzilla for the moment
[03:18] <lemsx1> Gmail, in Gnome there is a "Networking" app under system tools that you can use to quickly setup your network (part of gnome-system-tools)
[03:19] <Tsjoklat> seb128 so nothing I can do? it is suppose to work right
[03:19] <Gmail> yes but its slow in opening
[03:19] <Gmail> very slow
[03:19] <Tsjoklat> I don't have the trash applet installed... it got removed.. is that correct?
[03:20] <lemsx1> Gmail, what hardware are you using?
[03:20] <Gmail> lemsx1: i don't have any yet for a network
[03:21] <seb128> Tsjoklat: what does it do exactly ? does it happen all the time or just today ?
[03:21] <seb128> Tsjoklat: yes, it's a part of gnome-applets
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> seb128 it won't go in the trash.... it just stays put where ever it is... and after a while I have flying files on my dt
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> from the trash applet to the place the file is that I want to delete
[03:22] <seb128> have you restarted the GNOME session since you've updated gtk+ ?
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> yes
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> rebooted you name it
[03:22] <seb128> kilall gnome-panel is enough
[03:22] <seb128> killall gnome-panel even
[03:23] <seb128> could you try this ?
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> the killall gnome-panel?
[03:23] <seb128> yes
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> seb128 well it seems it is now putting it in the trash but the file still stick until I hit reload
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> like it doesn't refresh
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> I still have the funky two lines on the side of my dt but I can live with that
[03:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: did you remove fam and portmap?
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> no
[03:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: and did you install gamin?
[03:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: and re-logged in
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> wasn't sure if I should do it
[03:25] <Tsjoklat> tree I installed gamin
[03:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: ok, then remove fam :)
[03:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: (like the hoaryhowto on the site says..)
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> I figured fam would be removed when installing gamin
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> I know that...
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> but I got chicken$hit
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> I read it!
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> I told you... had so many woes with hoary already... I froze
[03:26] <Tsjoklat> seb128: good idea to remove fam?
[03:28] <seb128> Tsjoklat: yes
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> just fam or also libfam?
[03:28] <Tsjoklat> and what about the portmap Tree mentioned?
[03:29] <seb128> if you have gamin you have libgamin0 and no libfam afaik
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> I have libfamOc102
[03:29] <Tsjoklat> that one goes too?
[03:30] <seb128> yes
[03:30] <seb128> Package: libgamin0
[03:30] <seb128> Conflicts: libfam0c102
[03:30] <seb128> so you don't have gamin installed
[03:30] <Tsjoklat> and what about portmap?
[03:30] <seb128> don't bother with taht
[03:30] <seb128> just 'apt-get install gamin'
[03:30] <the_one> hi
[03:30] <Tsjoklat> I do have gamin
[03:31] <seb128> no you don't
[03:31] <seb128> you can't have gamin and libfam0c102 in the same time
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> ii  gamin          0.0.17-1ubuntu File and directory monitoring system
[03:31] <the_one> can someone direct me to a good gnome downloader, something similar to windows' flashget?
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> do too
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> it says it right there
[03:31] <Tsjoklat> I told you.. I thought gamin would remove fam but it didn't
[03:31] <seb128> it does
[03:31] <seb128> not fam
[03:31] <seb128> but libfam0c102
[03:32] <Treenaks> seb128: it breaks if you have famd running and gamin installed
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> well I got both gamin and libfam installed
[03:32] <maz1977> why isn't my .bash_profile loaded at startup?
[03:32] <seb128> Tsjoklat: dpkg -l gamin libfam0c102
[03:32] <seb128> Treenaks: what breaks ?
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> ii  gamin          0.0.17-1ubuntu File and directory monitoring system
[03:32] <Tsjoklat> pn  libfam0c102    <none>         (no description available)
[03:33] <seb128> Tsjoklat: that's what I was saying, libfam is not installed
[03:33] <Tsjoklat> funky... synaptic says I dod
[03:33] <Tsjoklat> do
[03:33] <lemsx1> maz1977, loaded by who? Gnome? the terminal?
[03:33] <Tsjoklat> so remove fam then do apt-get install gamin?
[03:34] <seb128> gamin is already installed
[03:34] <maz1977> lemsx1: by no one! No by the terminal, no by gnome... :(
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> ok fam is toast then
[03:35] <lemsx1> maz1977, gnome-terminal has an option to start your shell as a login shell. use that
[03:35] <lemsx1> maz1977, Gnome won't load your .bash_profile no more... that's history
[03:35] <seb128> you can use ~/.bashrc
[03:36] <Tsjoklat> I probably need to log back in
[03:36] <gelfling> heya people, does anyone here know about mounting ntsf partitions changing directory permissions and how to fix it so normal users car read?
[03:37] <maz1977> lemsx1: ok, I'll use bashrc
[03:37] <shastry> hi all
[03:37] <gelfling> hello :)
[03:37] <shastry> is the free cds for real ?
[03:37] <lemsx1> gelfling, mount -o uid=`uid`,gid=100 ...
[03:38] <maz1977> gelfling: You can put guid=xxx to /etc/fstab
[03:38] <shastry> oh ok its real
[03:38] <lemsx1> gelfling, sorry, not: `uid` but `id -u` :-)
[03:39] <gelfling> ok I'll poke at fstab for a bit, I was tryin to fix it with mkdir, chmod, and mount options
[03:40] <maz1977> gelfling: //192.168.188.254/share   /opt/win        smbfs   noauto,uid=502,gid=503 0 0
[03:40] <shastry> any idea as to how many days it will take to ship cds to India ?
[03:41] <gelfling> maz1977: whats with the ip?
[03:41] <Tsjoklat> brb hope this works
[03:41] <maz1977> gefling: just copied from my fstab...
[03:41] <gelfling> oh, der ima tool, network share
[03:42] <gelfling> thanks for the pointers guys!
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> seb128 thank you, it works
[03:44] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks that is twice you helped me today bedankt
[03:45] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: np :)
[03:45] <hbos> configure: error:  Could not find the following X libraries:  -lXt
[03:45] <hbos> what could that be?
[03:46] <Treenaks> hbos: what are you trying to compile?
[03:46] <Treenaks> hbos: and why didn't you use the package :P
[03:46] <hbos> Treenaks, nvu (www.nvu.com
[03:46] <Tsjoklat> that it can not find the following X libraries hbos :P
[03:46] <hbos> Treenaks, no package avail ;)
[03:46] <Treenaks> hbos: apt-get install xlibs-dev
[03:46] <hbos> Treenaks, i wanna try nvu and check if its something worthwhile. its not very widespread
[03:46] <topyli> hbos: there's a binary, you don't have to compile nvu
[03:47] <hbos> topyli, i can't find it in universe
[03:47] <topyli> hbos: on the nvu site :)
[03:47] <Treenaks> hbos: and remember that Dutch people don't like the name 'nvu' generally
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> lol
[03:47] <hbos> Treenaks, i dont care :P
[03:47] <Tsjoklat> traitor :P
[03:48] <hbos> Treenaks, thats before my time
[03:48] <Tsjoklat> he is saying we are ancient Treenaks
[03:49] <hbos> topyli, i thought they only had lindows/redhat binaries
[03:50] <hbos> topyli, besides i already went trough so many dependencies that i'm not gonna give up now ;)
[03:50] <topyli> hbos: hehe, as you wish. but the "linspire/debian" binary Just Works :)
[03:51] <hbos> topyli, ok :) thnx anyway :)
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen :)
[03:54] <zenwhen> hey there
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> hewo
[03:54] <zenwhen> Arg he changed the colors of the forums again.
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> yeah sunglasses
[03:54] <zenwhen> XD
[03:54] <gelfling> ok now im confused, it worked but I dont know why. I thought before it was a permissions thing that was stopping normal users from seeing the files
[03:54] <Tsjoklat> quickly went back to da brown
[03:55] <Treenaks> gelfling: seeing vs opening
[03:55] <gelfling> now that i'm using the same options i set for my vfat i can
[03:55] <gelfling> cool so r Vs x yeah?
[03:57] <gelfling> but when I mount it and do ls -l /mnt it has the same flags as before when it didn't work. Like when mount was changing the permissions
[03:57] <plovs_work> anybody got webcal and shared tasks working in evolution
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> <--- evolution recovering victim
[03:57] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: balsajunkie :P
[03:58] <plovs_work> Tsjoklat, i want to share tasklists
[03:58] <Tsjoklat> Tsjoklat: happy bunny again
[03:58] <bob2> plovs_work: is that even supported?
[03:58] <drakonim> good morning (EST) fellow ubuntu-ers :)    is any one aware of the new sed package for hoary being broken?
[03:58] <Tsjoklat> plovs_work: I would help if I could but evo wouldn't even start up for me... so I wouldn't know anything about tasklists sharing
[03:59] <Tsjoklat> drakonim install the older version
[03:59] <plovs_work> bob2, i hope so, you can ad da tasklist that is shared anyway
[03:59] <drakonim> Tsjoklat, was willing to try and work out fixing the new one :-D
[03:59] <Tsjoklat> drakonim: hope you can :)
[04:00] <drakonim> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'. \ install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[04:00] <drakonim> I have added a line in dir for sed to make it look like a working one... but no luck.
[04:00] <Kamion> drakonim: known, been reported lots
[04:00] <sid77> drakonim, are working on it
[04:01] <drakonim> ahh... that is what I needed to hear
[04:01] <drakonim> thank you everyone!
[04:01] <sid77> lol, today sed bug is the main topic
[04:01] <drakonim> i shall take Tsjoklat's advice and dig up an older package for it... its holding up my dist-upgrade lol
[04:02] <wood1> How do I save my GRUB Loader on a Floppy Disk just in case other Boot Loader overwrites it ?
[04:03] <Elwood> grub-install /dev/fd0 ?
[04:03] <flmindless> i have a prob while lanching Unreal tournament 2004
[04:03] <flmindless> this it says
[04:04] <flmindless> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:04] <flmindless> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[04:05] <flmindless> somone knows?
[04:06] <bob2> you don't have dri enabled?
[04:06] <flmindless> wat?
[04:06] <flmindless> what?
[04:07] <wood1> grub-install /dev/fd0 gives the Error: /dev/fd0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive
[04:07] <drakonim> thanks for the help as always, this distribution, its developers, and its community rock!
[04:07] <drakonim> peace out all.
[04:07] <flmindless> but how do i enable it bob2?
[04:08] <bob2> flmindless: changing your nick is annoying
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> bye drakonim
[04:08] <flmindless> bob2
[04:08] <flmindless> need to change it back?
[04:09] <bob2> it doesn't matter, just remember for future reference
[04:09] <flmindless> ill change it bacl
[04:09] <flmindless> k
[04:09] <wood1> Anyone, please tell me How do I install my GRUB Loader in a Floppy disk ?
[04:09] <bob2> did you file the bug like that wiki page told you?
[04:10] <caspar> but bob2
[04:10] <caspar> how do i activate it
[04:10] <bob2> did you file the bug?
[04:11] <caspar> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:11] <caspar> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[04:11] <caspar> it says
[04:11] <bob2> yes, you already pasted that
[04:11] <bob2> did you file the bug earlier?
[04:11] <Telep> my Ubuntu cds arrived \o/
[04:11] <caspar> first time i use it
[04:11] <topyli> Telep: you'll have to reinstall now ;)
[04:12] <gnurt> Telep, where are you from?
[04:12] <Telep> Finland
[04:12] <wood1> By the way, does anybody here knows if the Ubuntu CD can be used as a Rescure Disc ?
[04:12] <bob2> caspar: so you didn't file the bug?
[04:12] <gnurt> Telep, /me in hope :)
[04:12] <bob2> wood1: the install cd?  it only has busybox on it
[04:12] <caspar> bob2 donno waht you mean
[04:13] <Telep> topyli: well I'm actually running Hoary at the moment, but I still might reinstall - a stable distro might not be a bad idea...
[04:13] <bob2> caspar: I gave you a url earlier.  did you follow the instructions in it or not?
[04:13] <Kamion> wood1: yes; run through the user interface up to the beginning of the partitioning step, then you'll have all the modules and stuff that you need to mount a partition and fiddle about with it
[04:13] <topyli> Telep: heh, i've downgraded too :)
[04:14] <lil_anthony> question i get this exact error but i'm not sure how to change the mplayer preference drivers. i went to /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf and change ao=alsa, to ao=esd (for gnome) but it doesn't work here is the error i get http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=247206
[04:14] <caspar> what was the link
[04:14] <caspar> seem to have lost it
[04:14] <bob2> caspar: so you didn't follow them earlier?
[04:14] <wood1> There has to be a way to keep out of trouble in case our GRUB Loader gets corrupted in Ubuntu ?
[04:14] <caspar> where whit
[04:15] <caspar> this is another computer where i am talking about
[04:15] <Telep> topyli: yeah, I'm not really having too many problems, but I should start writing my masters thesis soon...
[04:15] <bob2> wood1: if it's corrupted, boot from cd and restore it
[04:15] <wood1> Suppose my GRUB Loader is being overwritten by my NT Loader, then how do I get my GRUB Loader back ?
[04:15] <Tiboz> hey all
[04:15] <tom__> is there any way to have ubuntu create boot.log?
[04:15] <Tiboz> do you have problem between gnome apps and fam actually ?
[04:16] <wood1> Well You get the same Install Screen from the CD. Back to step 1
[04:16] <topyli> Telep: "hoary ate my thesis!" ;)
[04:16] <bob2> wood1: can't you just chroot into ubunt and rerun grub-install or whatever?
[04:17] <Tiboz> because all gnome apps are trying to connect to fam and don't manage to do it
[04:17] <Tiboz> and it slows much my computer
[04:18] <Tsjoklat> night all have a good one
[04:18] <Telep> topyli: heh :)
[04:21] <wood1> Well I don't think chroot works
[04:23] <wood1> By the way, how do I use the "at" command to shutdown my PC at 5 PM today ?
[04:24] <wood1> at 5 PM today > halt
[04:24] <wood1> Is that correct ?
[04:28] <lil_anthony> bob2: do you have an idea of how to change the mplayer preference audio driver to arts or esd ? it says on the forum to change it to fix the error i'm having but i don't know how or where :(
[04:32] <janhuib> is there a Gnome app in warty for creating audio CD's from mp3's
[04:32] <janhuib> ?
[04:35] <wood1> I have Hoary on my System and I am having problems using the: apt-get upgrade
[04:35] <hbos> wood1, what kind of problems?
[04:36] <neill> sed problems?
[04:36] <wood1> Yes sed problems
[04:36] <wood1> That's right, Bingo !!!
[04:36] <neill> There's a bug in sed currently.
[04:36] <neill> I'm not quite sure what the correct course of action is.
[04:36] <neill> someone will be along in a minute with a fix :)
[04:37] <wood1> Well I really need to get this "sed" problem while doing: apt-get upgrade
[04:39] <wood1> So any solutions ?
[04:39] <tom__> does anyone know how i would capture the precise display of messages during init?
[04:39] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows how to upgrade the kernel in debian?
[04:40] <topyli> i just install a newer package :)
[04:41] <PorscheBoy> no one knows?
[04:42] <wood1> There seems to be a problem while updating Hoary
[04:42] <wood1> Anyone who has a fix to this problem
[04:43] <wood1> It's related to some "sed" package or somthing
[04:44] <wood1> Anyone, please help
[04:44] <neill> the sed package apparently has a critical bug against it suggesting that it seg faults
[04:44] <neill> You'll need to get a replacement sed.
[04:44] <PorscheBoy> wood1, u know alot about debian?
[04:44] <topyli> PorscheBoy: well if you want to compile a kernel, and don't want to read the guide to do it the Debian Way, you can do it just like you always do
[04:45] <wood1> So how do I use: apt-get update, upgrade and dist-upgrade
[04:45] <wood1> Because this "sed" does not let my system do the update and upgrade ?
[04:46] <wood1> Well PorcheBoy, I don't really know much about Debain
[04:46] <topyli> wood1: i guess hoary is just broken at the moment. you have to upgrade when it's in a more consistent state
[04:47] <wood1> Everything was working fine a few hours ago, the problem occurred after I did: apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade
[04:47] <wood1> In Hoary
[04:48] <mercurus_> hmm ... I'm getting > 4000 fps with glxgears ... is that likely to be accurate ?
[04:48] <Despair> wood1: apt-get -s upgrade, and then `apt-get install foo` where foo is the list of the individual packages other than sed. that'll let you get the non-broken updates.
[04:48] <topyli> wood1: someone probably uploaded a new sed package but the dependencies aren't there. or vice versa :)
[04:48] <Despair> topyli: no, the package itself is mangled.
[04:49] <topyli> ah. so perhaps you could just lock sed to its current version?
[04:49] <Despair> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[04:49] <Despair> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[04:50] <Despair> topyli: Nah, just wait for it to be fixed, it's unlikely it'll take long.
[04:50] <AwayDip> use ssed instead of sed
[04:51] <wood1> Well, Despair, thanks alot for the Tip
[04:52] <topyli> AwayDip: heh, never heard of the "super sed" before :)
[04:53] <topyli> hey, in-place editing! hmm
[04:53] <bogubu> Hello, newbie to ubuntu here....anyone help with mounting other Linux partitions?
[04:53] <topyli> bogubu: ask away. what's the matter?
[04:55] <topyli> bogubu: mount -t <fs-type> <partition> <mount-point> basically
[04:55] <bogubu> OK, I am triple booting (xp/xandros/ubuntu).  Have just installed ubuntu & want to get at my /home for xandros, my main OS,  It's a matter of editing /etc/fstab I know, but what do I put in?
[04:56] <plaidinum> Hi
[04:56] <topyli> bogubu: here's what i have for my backup disk: /dev/hdb1       /mnt            ext3    noauto,user     0       0
[04:57] <plaidinum> is anyone here?
[04:57] <topyli> bogubu: that won't mount at boot
[04:58] <bogubu> now I could really do with boot mounting
[04:58] <lemsx1> plaidinum, you bet
[04:58] <plaidinum> can i ask a question here?
[04:58] <topyli> bogubu: well, forget the noauto and user options, put "defaults" in there
[04:59] <lemsx1> bogubu, make sure that your users have the same UID in ubuntu and xandros
[04:59] <topyli> bogubu: i wouldn't mount it as your /home though
[04:59] <bogubu> yep, identical UIDs comes next
[04:59] <lemsx1> bogubu, in ubuntu you can simply edit /etc/fstab. in xandros... it's more complicated than this :-)
[04:59] <moyote> How can I stop the esd from starting at boot time. Getting tired of doing killall -9 esd to get my sound card to work. Thanks
[04:59] <bogubu> xandros is both good & bad!
[04:59] <plaidinum> does anyone know how i can make rhymbox play mp3 files?
[04:59] <fissy> where could i find some info on prelinking in ubuntu?
[05:00] <lemsx1> moyote, /etc/esd/esd.conf set the kill ms to a low number
[05:00] <lemsx1> moyote or simply set it to not autostart (the default)
[05:00] <topyli> bonobo mp3 plaidinum
[05:00] <bonobo> plaidinum: for mp3 music see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:00] <plaidinum> oops
[05:00] <plaidinum> i said rhymbox
[05:00] <moyote> lemsx1, ok, thank you
[05:00] <plaidinum> i mean rhytmbox
[05:00] <lemsx1> fissy, prelinking? install "prelink" debian package and edit /etc/default/prelink
[05:01] <lemsx1> plaidinum, rhythmbox already plays mp3's. give it some time to find them or drag and drop them to your window
[05:01] <plaidinum> oh i see
[05:01] <topyli> plaidinum: no you don't, you mean rhythmbox :)
[05:01] <moyote> lemsx1, I dont have an /etc/esd/ directory.
[05:01] <plaidinum> yep thats it :)
[05:01] <topyli> plaidinum: you need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:02] <lemsx1> moyote, sorry /etc/esound/esd.conf
[05:02] <z1nOnly_>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:02] <z1nOnly_>  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:02] <plaidinum> thanks topyli
[05:02] <moyote> just found it thanks again
[05:02] <plaidinum> thank you topyli it works!
[05:03] <topyli> plaidinum: it's a faq, even i know =)
[05:03] <plaidinum> idd I've just read it in the faq
[05:03] <moyote> lemsx1, I have auto_spawn in the esd.conf. I don't see anything about autostart or is that it?
[05:04] <plaidinum> anyway thanks
[05:04] <plaidinum> bb
[05:04] <AwayDip> moyote, esd can't autostart from it's esd.conf
[05:05] <lemsx1> moyote, set auto_spawn to 0
[05:05] <moyote> AwayDip, all I want to do is not use esd.
[05:05] <AwayDip> it's the only program that reads the esd.conf, so in ordr for it to start and read it, it needs to be started elsewhere... logic
[05:05] <lemsx1> AwayDip, libesd will start esd for you if you set auto_spawn to 1
[05:05] <wood1> By the way, how do I mount Network PCs ?
[05:05] <moyote> lemsx1, it's set at that. But if I want to use my onboard audio I have to killall -9 esd and then my sound works.
[05:06] <topyli> moyote: turn it off in the gnome sound preferences
[05:06] <lemsx1> AwayDip, that's not true... try it and see... it just creates problems in gnome when you set Start Sound Service to yes in Gnome's sound preferences
[05:06] <moyote> topyli, ok, ty
[05:06] <wood1> You see, my hard disk space is very very limited, so I just need to mount Network drives.
[05:06] <topyli> moyote: you'll still have to kill it by hand this once
[05:06] <moyote> ok
[05:07] <lemsx1> moyote, that just means that your OSS drivers are loaded and not alsa (or vice versa) the best thing to do for you is to install libalsa0-esd and switch to ALSA completely
[05:07] <moyote> lemsx1, ok, thanks a lot. that helps
[05:08] <moyote> Also, has anyone noticed a delay inopening Computer Desktop Preferences Theme. It takes 3 minutes for the menu to come up? Just wondering
[05:08] <lemsx1> AwayDip, from "man esd":        auto_spawn
[05:08] <lemsx1>            0 or 1 indicating whether the esd library should automatically
[05:08] <lemsx1>            spawn a daemon if one is not running when a sound is played.  This
[05:08] <lemsx1>            option is not recommended for Gnome users who have enabled sound
[05:08] <lemsx1>            for events in Gnome.
[05:09] <lemsx1> moyote, something is screwed in your settings... perhaps esd? who knows. open it from a terminal and watch .xsession-errors for details
[05:09] <lemsx1> moyote, ~/.xsession-errors
[05:09] <wood1> Is that possible to mount Network Drives ?
[05:09] <wood1> Using the mount command
[05:10] <moyote> Thanks all again
[05:11] <lemsx1> wood1, of course. what network drive? what protocol? nfs? smb? etc..?
[05:12] <moyote> lemsx1, Are you sur that it's called libalsa0-esd?? I can't find that in synaptic?
[05:13] <topyli> moyote: maybe it's libesd-alsa0 :)
[05:14] <moyote> tolstoy, ty
[05:14] <trey`> topyli: it is  :)
[05:14] <topyli> hehehe i peeked :)
[05:15] <swoon> hi
[05:15] <moyote> topyli, It is. :-)
[05:15] <swoon> so hoary is out eh?  does anyone know if hoary for x86_64 will be able to use debian x86_64 packages?
[05:16] <daniels> swoon: ... why?
[05:17] <swoon> daniels because if it did I would install ubuntu...
[05:17] <daniels> which packages of debian's do you need to install that aren't in hoary?
[05:17] <wood1> How do I mount a Network drive in Ubuntu ?
[05:17] <swoon> daniels, overnet, mldonkey, and some others
[05:19] <moyote> topyli, trying to install libesd-alsa0, doesn't It tries to install sed but sed won't upgrade. Any suggestions?
[05:19] <swoon> daniels, do you know if it's possible?
[05:19] <daniels> should be
[05:19] <swoon> really!
[05:19] <daniels> depends whether it's 32-bit or pure64
[05:19] <topyli> moyote: sed is b0rken in hoary
[05:19] <daniels> if the former, you need a chroot
[05:20] <swoon> daniels in warty?
[05:20] <lemsx1> moyote, libesd-alsa0
[05:20] <daniels> swoon: yes
[05:21] <swoon> daniels other than trying it (dont have ubuntu installed) how can I find out if it's definetly possible?
[05:21] <daniels> dunno
[05:21] <swoon> btw is hoary official yet?
[05:21] <lemsx1> moyote, downgrade sed to whatever you had (hold package)
[05:21] <wood1> But upgrading to sed will land you in trouble
[05:21] <wood1> If you are using Hoary instead of Warty
[05:22] <moyote> I've been away from Debian for years, how do I downgrade. It is easy using synaptic
[05:22] <wood1> That's what happen to me a few minutes ago
[05:22] <moyote> Sorry for being an idiot. :-)
[05:22] <lemsx1> in synaptic there is an option to Force Version (downgrade/hold)
[05:22] <moyote> ok, ty
[05:23] <Kamion> wood1: you really shouldn't be running hoary if you don't know how to deal with this sort of thing; seriously
[05:23] <swoon> anyone know if hoary is official? if not when is it due  to be?
[05:23] <counterfeitliver> sometime april next year
[05:23] <wood1> Hoary will be official only in March, 2005
[05:23] <swoon> oh bummer
[05:23] <Kamion> wood1: this is exactly why we've been trying very hard not to provide cookbook instructions for everyone to upgrade to hoary, and why we're not encouraging it for casual users
[05:23] <Kamion> April 2005
[05:23] <swoon> is anyone using it now?
[05:24] <wood1> Well I am using it now
[05:24] <counterfeitliver> I'm sticking with Warty
[05:24] <cardador> swoon: im using it
[05:24] <swoon> do you two know if you can use debian packages with it?
[05:25] <cardador> swoon: you can use them, but you might break ubuntu
[05:25] <swoon> oh thats not gppd
[05:25] <cardador> swoon: it depends on what you want to install
[05:25] <swoon> good
[05:25] <cardador> swoon: ive some debian packages installed, that i cant find on ubuntu
[05:26] <wood1> Hey anybody, please give me a command to mount Windows Network drive
[05:28] <wood1> How do I mount a Windows Network drive in Ubuntu ???
[05:28] <tux_> anyone get the cd's yet ?
[05:28] <cardador> wood1: i dont know. why dont you try to find it on google?
[05:28] <topyli> swoon: to play safe, get the debian sources and build your packages on ubuntu
[05:30] <optika> wood1: you'll need to install some packages - smbfs and smbmount if I recall. Then you can use smbmount just like any linux distro (man smbmount for more)
[05:30] <swoon> is that going to change with hoary?
[05:31] <topyli> swoon: what? the debian package thing? no.
[05:31] <wood1> I don't have enough space on my hard disk
[05:31] <swoon> ok thanks folks
[05:32] <topyli> wood1: i know the feeling ;)
[05:33] <topyli> wood1: well install the samba clients like optika here tells you, and you can probably browse your windows network with nautilus
[05:33] <optika> does nautilus not come ready to do samba browsing as is?
[05:34] <optika>  (I hardly use nautilus, and the samba stuff was amongst the first extra packages I installed, so I wouldn't know)
[05:34] <topyli> optika: dunno, maybe. these modern times have me stunned
[05:34] <cardador> wood1: i started with 5 gb for linux, now i am at 20 and thinking about to increase it to 40, leaving windows only with 5 gb :)
[05:35] <ulisse> Hi channel, HELP ME PLEASE!
[05:35] <cardador> eventually, it will disappear from my computer
[05:35] <optika>  /dev/sda2              14G  2.9G   12G  21% /
[05:35] <optika> how on earth do you manage to use 20GB!?
[05:35] <optika> oh well.
[05:35] <daniels> only?
[05:35] <topyli> ulisse: calm down. what's the matter? :)
[05:35] <aitrus> ulisse: just ask your questions
[05:36] <cardador> optika: counter strike source, fifa 2005, enemy territory, and some other. if you some that to all the mp3s, you will get to 20 or more
[05:36] <cardador> if you sum*
[05:37] <topyli> optika: there's no disk to hold all the pr0n and crappy pop music on the net :)
[05:37] <optika> cardador: ah, you see, if I still ran doze I'd have all that sort of cruft on a shared FAT32 partition. *shrug*
[05:37] <cardador> optika: why is that?
[05:38] <cardador> optika: why would you use fat32 if you can use reiser?
[05:38] <ulisse> Ok, sorry for the uppercase...
[05:38] <optika> cardador: because I wouldn't be able to read a reiserfs partition in doze.
[05:38] <wood1> bye to all
[05:38] <ulisse> I have updated from warty to hoary
[05:38] <ulisse> just to surf the wave...
[05:38] <topyli> i feel your pain
[05:38] <fissy> fairly annoying problem, i managed to convert a hall mate to linux (result) but the screen is slightly offset on his monitor. he loses about half the scroll bar on the right of webpages, and there is about .5 cm of black screen on the left
[05:38] <fissy> he can't move the image on the screen any further to the left, as the on screen controls won't let it go any further
[05:38] <ulisse> but now i get an error updating with apt-get
[05:38] <cardador> optika: whos talking about doze? i play all the games and listen to mp3 on linux
[05:38] <fissy> any ideas about how to fix that?
[05:39] <cardador> ulisse: we all have that error
[05:39] <mjg59> ulisse: sed in Hoary is broken
[05:39] <ulisse> ok, so what should I do?
[05:39] <topyli> ulisse: sed is uninstallable? it's today's penance for all you naughty hoary users
[05:39] <counterfeitliver> fissy: use the monitors geometery correction buttons
[05:39] <cardador> ulisse: wait :)
[05:39] <fissy> counterfeitliver, as i said, we tried, but they won't make it go any further to the left
[05:39] <ulisse> ok, thank you very much!
[05:40] <ulisse> I was afraid i had broken something in the system...
[05:40] <optika> cardador: argh, nm. I do partitioning a more unixy way than most people do - ie, my data is completely separate to my base install. If I've used up all the space I have in / or /usr I really am poked. If you guys all keep your pr0n and warez on the same partition as your system, fair enough.
[05:40] <topyli> ulisse: they'll fix it soon i guess
[05:41] <optika> fissy: might also be worth playing with xvidtune a bit.
[05:41] <danielbo> Question
[05:42] <optika> fissy: but please note the warning you get as you start it up.
[05:42] <fissy> scary :s
[05:42] <fissy> its an lcd btw
[05:42] <fissy> could any damage be done to that?
[05:42] <optika> oh, I don't know about those toys :)
[05:42] <topyli> optika: i don't think many people are /homeless if that's what you mean.
[05:43] <danielbo> I'm running the Hoary repository, so that I can assist with the Thai translations and try them out.
[05:43] <danielbo> An upgrade has a screwed up sed
[05:43] <danielbo> Setting up sed (4.1.2-2) ...
[05:43] <danielbo> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[05:43] <danielbo> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[05:43] <danielbo> dpkg: error processing sed (--configure):
[05:43] <optika> topyli: it is kinda what I mean. I just get confused when people say "I gave 20GB to my linux install, and its all full so I can't install X"
[05:43] <danielbo> Is this a known problem... have you heard anyone else?
[05:43] <topyli> could somebody put this sed thing in the topic please?
[05:44] <Kamion> danielbo: yes, we know, you should only be running Hoary if you're prepared to deal with this sort of thing
[05:44] <danielbo> fine
[05:44] <danielbo> I just wanted to know if it's been reported
[05:44] <danielbo> I can fix it
[05:45] <Faust> any body running with a r128
[05:45] <danielbo> thanks
[05:45] <Faust> ?
[05:45] <DracosX> um, the sed thing has a quick workaround
[05:45] <topyli> Kamion: change it to "danielbo will fix it soon" :)
[05:45] <DracosX> did someone ask about it? I just got here, sorry
[05:46] <topyli> DracosX: everybody's asked about it at least once :)
[05:46] <DracosX> heh
[05:46] <danielbo> Kamion, -- on my server... I'm already doing translation work... want me to stop so that I can learn how dpkg works, as well?
[05:46] <DracosX> ah
[05:46] <danielbo> bye
[05:46] <Kamion> topyli: heh. already fixed in Debian though
[05:46] <Kamion> (well, the Debian incoming queue)
[05:46] <nimc> what is needed to get video-in (ati) to work ?
[05:48] <ermo> What wiki-'product' will be used for the new ubuntu wiki?
[05:48] <ermo> moinmoin?
[05:49] <Ruffian|JANE|> Did they release a major Ubuntu upgrade? cuz I am apt-get upgrading alot of stuff :-)
[05:50] <topyli> Ruffian|JANE|: no. when did you last update?
[05:50] <Ruffian|JANE|> topyli, last night.  The update is about 40MBs.  Last night it was like 500KBs
[05:51] <topyli> Ruffian|JANE|: all i got today was evolution and imagemagick or something. you probably have a huge installation :)
[05:52] <ermo> oh. plone.
[05:52] <stuNNed> DracosX, what is the quick workaround for the sed thing? :)
[05:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> plone?
[05:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> OH well I love updates and upgrades!
[05:52] <Ruffian|JANE|> a:-)
[05:52] <nimc> what is the correct way to upgrade firefox ? should i first uninstall it ?
[05:53] <topyli> Ruffian|JANE|: you need a buggier system ;)
[05:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> :-)
[05:54] <Ruffian|JANE|> my system isnt buggy at all! Because its Ubuntu
[05:54] <Ruffian|JANE|> shower time
[05:55] <DracosX> ah
[05:55] <DracosX> um
[05:56] <DracosX> zcat /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz > /usr/share/info/sed.info && apt-get install sed
[05:56] <DracosX> after it fails
[05:56] <DracosX> then you can continue your upgrade/dist-upgrade as usual
[05:57] <DracosX> it has dirty hack written all over it, but it works
[05:57] <stuNNed> DracosX, thanks
[05:57] <DracosX> no problem
[05:57] <azeem> hi
[05:58] <azeem> can somebody please paste me a standard warty sources.list line?
[05:58] <Kamion> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:58] <Kamion> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:58] <azeem> cheers
[06:00] <topyli> hehe. i just told Ruffian|JANE| there was no big upgrade today. now i did it again and all of X started to drip in :)
[06:03] <Keybuk> heh, the Ubuntu "day" is about half an hour
[06:03] <topyli> Keybuk: decided to read my mail too, and there's the announcement :)
[06:09] <trans_err> I'm getting some errors when I start X- complaining that my font directories lack the font.dir file, how do I generate one?
[06:10] <danielbo> trans_err, what can you tell me about your system
[06:11] <trans_err> danielbo, hoary, runs xorg....
[06:12] <danielbo> I'm not an Ubuntu developer, but the traditional way to do it is to
[06:12] <danielbo> cd into the directory
[06:12] <danielbo> then use "ttmkfdir
[06:13] <danielbo> and echo that into your fonts.dir file
[06:13] <trans_err> ill give it a try
[06:13] <trans_err> thanks a  lot
[06:13] <jk> that's only for truetype fonts...there's also mkfontdir for normal fonts
[06:13] <danielbo> but I know that Debian Unstable uses defoma
[06:13] <danielbo> yeah
[06:13] <danielbo> sorry
[06:13] <danielbo> indeed
[06:13] <trans_err> I couldn't get mkfontdir to work right--- complains of the way I'm using it
[06:13] <trans_err> but I cant figure it out from the man file
[06:13] <danielbo> bitmap fonts?
[06:14] <danielbo> or TT
[06:14] <trans_err> tt
[06:14] <danielbo> wrong tool
[06:14] <trans_err> then thats why :D
[06:14] <danielbo> ;)
[06:14] <trans_err> someone should fix the output from xorg- it suggests to use mkfontdir
[06:14] <lil_anthony> if i disabled pnp on my isa 3com card using a dos utility and set the io to 300h and the irq to 10 how do i get linux to detect do i need to reprobe and if so how?
[06:15] <danielbo> lil_anthony, is there a reason you disabled pnp?
[06:16] <danielbo> etherboot?
[06:16] <danielbo> recently?
[06:16] <lil_anthony> yes, cause according to forums i have read basically the ethernet howto it says the 3com 3c509b isa card has onboard pnp that screws everything up
[06:17] <lil_anthony> so i disabled it according to them and set a manual io and irq
[06:17] <danielbo> did you try it before you disabled?
[06:17] <danielbo> I used that card with LTSP a year or two ago
[06:17] <mjg59> lil_anthony: Easiest way is to add a line to /etc/modules saying
[06:17] <danielbo> and it worked fine
[06:18] <mjg59> 3c509 io=0x300 irq=10
[06:18] <lil_anthony> ok thats what i was wondering dos it have to be in a certain area?
[06:18] <trans_err> ttmkfdir
[06:18] <trans_err> Segmentation fault
[06:18] <lil_anthony> or just append it?
[06:18] <trans_err> heh
[06:18] <mjg59> lil_anthony: And in your BIOS, make sure that IRQ 10 is set to "legacy ISA"
[06:18] <mjg59> Otherwise it'll clash
[06:18] <lil_anthony> i did that already
[06:19] <lil_anthony> let me try the module
[06:19] <danielbo> trans_err, let me try... brb
[06:20] <lil_anthony> so gedit /etc/modules correct and all the line?
[06:20] <danielbo> trans_err, yep
[06:20] <Fator_Dee> is it ok to keep on doing normal stuff while ubuntu updates a lot of packages?
[06:20] <trans_err> danielbo, heh
[06:20] <trey`> Fator_Dee: yeah...
[06:20] <danielbo> oops
[06:21] <trans_err> does hoary have a standard place to add bugs?
[06:21] <lil_anthony> and reboot correct?
[06:21] <trey`> lil_anthony: yes... that should work... modprobe "all the line" too though...
[06:21] <trey`> lil_anthony: modprobe shouldn't require you to reboot...
[06:21] <lil_anthony> ok still learning let me try
[06:21] <trey`> trans_err: same as normal...
[06:21] <trans_err> Can anyone else confirm that ttmkfdir seg faults in hoary?
[06:21] <trey`> lil_anthony: its cool  :)
[06:22] <lil_anthony> so modprobe /etc/modules?
[06:22] <trans_err> trey`, yeah? where would that be :D
[06:22] <lil_anthony> or modprobe /etc/modules/module.conf?
[06:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> hey all
[06:23] <trey`> trans_err: same bugzilla  ;)
[06:23] <trey`> trans_err: just mention its hoary I guess though  :/
[06:23] <trey`> trans_err: should be able to specify its hoary... but I guess not  :/
[06:23] <trans_err> hmm- ill give her a try
[06:23] <trans_err> are there any ubuntu developers in here?
[06:23] <trey`> lil_anthony: no... edit /etc/modules ...
[06:23] <Kamion> trans_err: bugs> see the topic
[06:24] <Kamion> trans_err: yes; why?
[06:24] <lil_anthony> ok i did that
[06:24] <lil_anthony> and added the line to it
[06:24] <lil_anthony> at the bottom after Nvidia
[06:24] <trey`> lil_anthony: its a Debian specific file that is checked at boot... stores a bunch of modules to load at boot...
[06:24] <trey`> lil_anthony: k... doesn't matter where you put it so long as its in there  :)
[06:24] <lil_anthony> ok but i'm having trouble on the modprobe ;)
[06:24] <trey`> lil_anthony: what it say?
[06:24] <lil_anthony> umm don't know how to use it :(
[06:25] <trey`> lil_anthony: modprobe 3c509 io=0x300 irq=10
[06:25] <trans_err> Kamion, ttmkfdir segfaults in hoary
[06:25] <trey`> type that into a terminal
[06:25] <lil_anthony> aww
[06:25] <lil_anthony> thanks
[06:26] <trey`> lil_anthony: if that doesn't work, reboot  ;)
[06:26] <lil_anthony> one quick question
[06:26] <lil_anthony> is the 3c509 specific or is that just a name it mounts it per say as
[06:26] <lil_anthony> so could i have like Nic2...
[06:26] <trey`> lil_anthony: thats the modules name...
[06:26] <lil_anthony> oh ok
[06:27] <trey`> lil_anthony: you could have /dev/eth1 which would be the second nic...
[06:27] <Kamion> trans_err: we have a bug tracking system for that kind of thing. :)
[06:27] <Kamion> trey`: network interfaces don't show up in /dev
[06:27] <lil_anthony> ok i typed the modprobe it just went back to root i guess use device manager to see if it detected it?
[06:27] <trans_err> Kamion, yeah I'm posing it to buzilla
[06:27] <trey`> Kamion: damnit, who moved em?  8-)
[06:28] <Kamion> trey`: they never have done
[06:28] <Kamion> trey`: not in Linux, at any rate
[06:28] <lil_anthony> so go to networking and add the card? after doing the probe sorry to be a pest
[06:29] <trey`> Kamion: blah... my bad  :(
[06:29] <trey`> lil_anthony: man ifconfig... its easier  :)
[06:30] <lil_anthony> ok
[06:30] <trey`> blah, wait, you mean the GUI app...
[06:30] <trey`> /etc/network/interfaces is what I thought you meant... blah, I shouldn't be helping, not sober  :o
[06:31] <trey`> lil_anthony: yeah... use the Networking tool... should be straight forward  :)
[06:31] <alexissoft> hi
[06:31] <lil_anthony> yeah it looks to be working
[06:31] <lil_anthony> let me put it on the crossover and check
[06:31] <lil_anthony> brb
[06:32] <trey`> lil_anthony: connection sharing?
[06:32] <lil_anthony> no
[06:32] <lil_anthony> just doing samba for fileshares
[06:33] <trey`> lil_anthony: ahh... that explains it... was wondering why you'd want a crossover cable  ;)
[06:33] <lil_anthony> yeah
[06:33] <trey`> Not too useful @ getting to an outside network  :)
[06:33] <lil_anthony> true
[06:33] <lil_anthony> thanks for the help brb trying to out
[06:37] <yohannes> hi, how can i uncompress *.zip file in linux?
[06:37] <lil_anthony> woo hoo its workin
[06:37] <lil_anthony> thanks all for the help
[06:38] <zenwhen> Anyone here run XFCE?
[06:38] <zenwhen> With dual monitors?
[06:38] <mirak> lemsx1: hey, are you there ?
[06:39] <Kamion> yohannes: install the unzip package
[06:40] <labanux> how can we stop syncrhonizing ntp.ubuntulinux.org on boot??
[06:40] <Kamion> yohannes: in fact, unzip is installed by default in Ubuntu
[06:40] <Kamion> yohannes: use "Archive Manager" from the menu ...
[06:41] <labanux> how can we stop syncrhonizing ntp.ubuntulinux.org on boot??
[06:42] <mirak> I got a problem with sed package
[06:42] <topyli> labanux: computer -> system -> time, change the server or disable the whole thing
[06:42] <mirak> the installation fail
[06:42] <jpvcx> mirak: read topic
[06:42] <mirak> jpvcx: ok thanks
[06:43] <mirak> jpvcx: it's broken in sid too
[06:44] <trans_err> Kamion, ttmkfdir is not a listed component and it won't let me add the bug
[06:45] <mirak> is there a way to still use apt ?
[06:45] <labanux> topyli: NTP support is not running
[06:46] <chazwurth> mirak: what do you mean?
[06:46] <mirak> chazwurth: I want to install other package, but the error on sed fails everything
[06:46] <seb128> mirak: -> #ubuntu-fr
[06:46] <labanux> topyli: but when booting the system.., it still showing the message synchronizing to ntp.ubuntulinux.org
[06:47] <Kamion> trans_err: um, what ttmkfdir tool is this? I can't find it in hoary
[06:47] <chazwurth> mirak: oh, sorry, I didn't see what you were saying about sed above
[06:47] <Kamion> trans_err: hm, never mind, it's a separate package not installed by default
[06:47] <Kamion> trans_err: use UNKNOWN
[06:48] <Kamion> trans_err: in fact, it's a package from universe and therefore not supported ... perhaps filing a Debian bug would be a better use of everyone's time?
[06:49] <Kamion> trans_err: guess it depends on whether it's an X.org-specific thing, though
[06:50] <daniels> ttfmkdir?  why?
[06:50] <daniels> why do people use this?
[06:50] <zenwhen> Hehe... I think the Ubuntu forums are running on Gentoo.
[06:50] <Kamion> danielbo claimed earlier that it was a good plan to use ttmkfdir to generate fonts.dir
[06:51] <Kamion> didn't sound like a good plan to me either ...
[06:51] <daniels> um
[06:51] <daniels> sudo update-fonts-dir
[06:51] <daniels> zenwhen: why do you think that?
[06:51] <zenwhen> they are down
[06:52] <zenwhen> O:
[06:52] <deFrysk> sed can be fixed in hoary
[06:52] <deFrysk> after failing install :
[06:53] <deFrysk> /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[06:53] <deFrysk> cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[06:53] <deFrysk> then retry
[06:53] <deFrysk> forget the first line
[06:55] <cardador> deFrysk: it is beeing solved
[06:55] <deFrysk> yes
[06:55] <deFrysk> unstable had the same prob
[06:55] <deFrysk> debian unstable
[06:58] <gregburd> I have a PowerBook G4 and an external FireWire drive.  I was able to boot from the warty CDROM and install to the FireWire drive with one problem.  The boot manager didn't properly install.  Now, when I startup my PowerBook (drive attached) the open boot firmware doesn't see the Ubuntu external drive and so won't boot it.  Ideas?
[07:00] <Kamion> gregburd: yaboot doesn't currently understand how to install to firewire devices, I'm afraid
[07:00] <Kamion> it's a known bug
[07:01] <gregburd> drat
[07:01] <gregburd> I assume that this is on the todo list, correct?
[07:02] <Kamion> gregburd: if somebody can work out how to calculate the ofpath ... although I think I have mail about it somewhere
[07:03] <gregburd> Well, if you find something I'd be interested in checking it out and working to add it into yaboot (if possible).
[07:05] <JDahl> I am working on some huge datasets (15gb) and I wanted to speed up disk IO somewhat..  hdparm is configured to 16bit IO - wont I gain alot by setting it to 32bit? Hdparm reports 50MB/s throughput already though, which sounds good (but disk IO is still the bottleneck in my simulations)
[07:06] <JDahl> did someone else here change hdparm to 32bit, and did it help?
[07:07] <bronson> JDahl: barely.
[07:07] <bronson> Why don't you just try it...?
[07:07] <pisuke> I always change to hdparm -c3 /dev/hdx
[07:07] <pisuke> you can test with hdparm -tT
[07:08] <pisuke> and see the difference
[07:08] <JDahl> bronson, I would... but that would require a reboot (I guess?) and I have some simulation running on day 2
[07:08] <bronson> JDahl: no reboot needed.
[07:08] <pisuke> no reboot
[07:08] <JDahl> cool.. thanks
[07:08] <pisuke> and also -X66 .. 70 for ultra dma
[07:09] <bronson> Careful though.  Aggressive hdparming tickles bugs in a lot of disk firmware.
[07:09] <pisuke> hdparm -i /dev/hda should give you a glimpse about the capabilities of your drive
[07:09] <bronson> i.e. corruption.
[07:10] <JDahl> but you guys dont think it matters much? and would 32bit be the most significant change?
[07:10] <rsa> hmm.. i did open port 24500-24505 (icq) & port 6891-6900 (msn) but i still get a speed at 4kb/s. i do have 250 kb/s on ftp protocol, strange. someone who's got a clue about this?
[07:11] <pisuke> JDahl, in fact the most significant change is dma on/off
[07:11] <pisuke> hdparm -d1
[07:11] <fissy> get some raid
[07:11] <nimc> what is the correct way to install firefox 1.0 in warty ?
[07:12] <pisuke> wait till march?
[07:12] <nimc> hmm?
[07:12] <chazwurth> that long?
[07:12] <fissy> march is a long way away
[07:12] <pisuke> heh
[07:13] <nimc> why no firefox1.0 in synaptic for warty users ?
[07:13] <dataw0lf> just install it int /usr/share with the firefox-installer and change all instances to the old binaries to symlink to that.
[07:13] <Kamion> gregburd: thanks
[07:13] <Caspar> hey i am back
[07:13] <fissy> thats a bit of a hassle
[07:13] <crimsun> nimc: because Warty was released prior to Mozilla-Firefox being released.
[07:13] <Kirsch> hey my soundcard doesn't work... when i try to play out of ALSA, but esound works
[07:13] <JDahl> pisuke, yeah.. enabling 32bit gave me an extra 10% throughput - dma is already enabled.... I guess I will just kick back and read slashdot while my simulations are running
[07:13] <Caspar> i have a question
[07:13] <dataw0lf> fissy: not really, it's like three commands.
[07:14] <Kirsch> xmms complains
[07:14] <fissy> couldn't it get put in warty? pre 1.0 counts as beta no? so 1.0 must be a bug fix release ;)
[07:14] <Caspar> every time i launch UT2004 it gives this error
 Tsjoklat, /me is spacey
 dus dat weet je best:)
 oh
 sorry!
 het is zeven in de morgen
 en ik ben de hele nacht aan het klooien geweest
 sorry sorry
 geeft niks hoor
 :)
 nou... ik denk dat ik mijzelf maar een kopje thee ga zetten en mijn nest opzoek
[07:14] <crimsun> Kirsch: if there is an esd output for XMMS installed, use it
 ben weer terug vanavond :)
 bedankt voor alle  help en de gezellige praat
[07:14] <Caspar> <-- Tsjoklat has quit ("Leaving")
 nachtbeest:p
 17 Nov 16:19:11 ntpdate[21121] : step time server 194.159.73.44 offset 8084.247956 sec
 hehe
[07:14] <Caspar> * caspar is naar piano les
[07:14] <Kirsch> Casper
[07:14] <fissy> damn you Caspar
[07:14] <crimsun> Caspar: ?
 dat compilen van nvu duurt nog pittig lang
[07:14] <aitrus> Caspar: stop
[07:14] <Kirsch> stop
[07:14] <neill>  /kick caspar
 nvu html editor?
[07:14] <Caspar> <-- jpvcx has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
 iz, yup
 nou uhh tot over ene half ur ofzo ;p
 ik ga naar huis
[07:14] <JDahl> jeez... someone tell this guy about #paste
 t zit er weer op
 pfff tijd is fucked up onder vmware
[07:14] <neill>  /names
 staat stil :p
 bbl!
[07:15] <dataw0lf> Caspar: stop pasting that crap.
[07:15] <Caspar> <-- hbos has quit ("Bezig met verlaten")
[07:15] <Kamion> fissy: it's already involved changing a bunch of other related packages; doesn't qualify for a stable update
[07:15] <Caspar> --> jpvcx (~jpvcx@g3140.upc-g.chello.nl) has joined #ubuntu-nl
[07:15] <Caspar> OOP
[07:15] <dataw0lf> Caspar: take it to #flood or #paste
[07:15] <Caspar> s
[07:15] <Caspar> sroty
[07:15] <Caspar> sory
[07:15] <crimsun> 13:15 Ignoring ALL from Caspar
[07:15] <crimsun> ahh. bliss.
[07:15] <dataw0lf> hehe
[07:15] <neill> He's stopped now....
[07:15] <Kirsch> is it over?
[07:15] <Caspar> made error sorry
[07:15] <Kirsch> lol
[07:15] <fissy> Kamion, ok
[07:15] <Caspar> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[07:15] <Caspar> CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit.
[07:15] <dataw0lf> It's over... for now! duh DUH duuuuh
[07:15] <Caspar> meant thes 2
[07:16] <nimc> Kamion, what does stable update mean ?
[07:16] <Kirsch> whoeveer made comment about ESD, I want to use Alsa, i've been using ALSA
[07:16] <dataw0lf> whats up with the ubuntu forums, they down?
[07:16] <Caspar> i have a prob while lanching Unreal tournament 2004
[07:16] <Caspar> and these are them
[07:16] <Caspar> WARNING: ALC_EXT_capture is subject to change!
[07:16] <Caspar> CTRL-C before main loop ... forcing exit.
[07:16] <crimsun> Kirsch: so kill esd and change all the programs that were using esd to use alsa directly
[07:17] <Kirsch> thanks, that worked
[07:18] <Caspar> someone knows?
[07:19] <Caspar> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[07:19] <Caspar> also
[07:21] <Kamion> nimc: an update to our stable release, i.e. warty
[07:21] <dataw0lf> Caspar: post your glxinfo in flood
[07:21] <nimc> Kamion, so what is the criteria ? it has to be a bug fix release ?
[07:22] <Caspar> what do i need to post where? datawolf?
[07:22] <dataw0lf> your GLXINFO in #FLOOD
[07:23] <Kamion> nimc: security update or high-severity bug, minimal change to fix
[07:23] <Kamion> nimc: new upstream versions almost never qualify
[07:23] <Caspar> i made error befor i didn't meant to flood
[07:23] <dataw0lf> oh god, nevermind Caspar.
[07:23] <nimc> ok :(
[07:24] <nimc> is it possible somehow to have sounds from multiple sources for everything, or the only way is to use dmix individually and it's only for programs that support it?
[07:25] <Knight38> is there a  page for Ubuntu extras ?
[07:25] <charlesbc> where is the audio device normally located?
[07:25] <crimsun> nimc: dmix works for alsa-native programs and some wrapped with aoss, alsa's wrapper for oss programs. If your sound hardware does not support hardware multiopen, then you're stuck using dmix.
[07:25] <Kirsch> Casper type in "cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep Load, is dri and glx listed?
[07:26] <lemsx1> Caspar, if you google for that you will find an answer... disregard the DRI errors i would say (for nvidia cards)
[07:27] <Caspar> i have posted my info @ #flood for the glxinfo
[07:28] <nimc> crimsun, does that mean that if i had another sound chipset then ubuntu would have played sounds from multiple sources simultaeously without a need to set anything?
[07:28] <nimc> i.e. without dmix ?
[07:29] <crimsun> nimc: if the hardware doesn't support multiple streams, then you can play as many sounds as you have sound hardware
[07:29] <Caspar> dataw0lf i have the info
[07:29] <crimsun> nimc: it's just easier to use dmix for most people in such a situation
[07:30] <Mayday> so is there a warty -> hoary upgrade faq some place? or does a dist-upgrade operation work?
[07:30] <nimc> crimsun, which hardware supports multiple streams ? i tried on 2 computers and it only allowed to play 1 sound at a time
[07:31] <crimsun> nimc: cs46xx (newer hardware), emu10k1, emu10k2, etc.
[07:31] <Kamion> Mayday: we deliberately aren't documenting it too heavily because it's in a lot of flux at the moment and may well break your system
[07:31] <Kamion> Mayday: in particular, a dist-upgrade today will fail horribly (see the topic)
[07:32] <Mabus> I'm running ubuntu on my laptop, and debian sid/unstable on my desktop, and I'm thinking about "upgrading" from Sarge->Ubuntu Hoary on my desktop - any reasons why I shouldn't?
[07:32] <Mayday> Kamion: :\
[07:32] <Mabus> I've read the wiki and forums, so I've seen the instructions that have been written.
[07:32] <nimc> crimsun, so for these chipset there's no need to setup anything in ubuntu ?
[07:32] <ponds> has anyone gotten their ubuntu CDs from canonical yet?
[07:32] <ponds> i have no idea when to expect them and im very excited abotu them
[07:32] <Kamion> Mabus: wait until tomorrow at the very least
[07:32] <Mabus> Kamion: what happens then ?
[07:32] <crimsun> michiel_: correct
[07:33] <Kamion> Mabus: see the bit about sed in the topic
[07:33] <Mabus> Kamion: ah, yes - but that's easily fixed.
[07:33] <Mabus>  /msg dpkg sed fix
[07:33] <enabl> anyone know if a 2.6.9 kernel is coming for hoary?
[07:33] <Kamion> enabl: at some point, yes, don't know timescales yet
[07:33] <enabl> or is it gonna stay a compile your own
[07:33] <Mabus> Kamion: perhaps you can add that to the topic
[07:34] <Kamion> Mabus: add what?
[07:34] <enabl> ok thanks Kamion
[07:34] <Mabus> Kamion: /msg dpkg sed fix
[07:34] <Knight38> where did i get the extras not on the warty cd ?
[07:34] <Kamion> Mabus: there is no dpkg in this channel
[07:34] <crimsun> Mabus: I believe that only works if you're in #debian, too
[07:34] <Mabus> crimsun: quite right.
[07:34] <Mabus> in any case, it's a one-liner, and it fixes the problem.
[07:36] <Kamion> the topic's pretty full though
[07:36] <Mabus> Kamion: so, besides the sed package, are there any known major problems with "upgrading" ?
[07:37] <Mabus> should I upgrade to warty first, and then hoary - it doesn't make any sense in my head, but who knows..
[07:37] <fissy> hi, i've broken a firewall... at present all connections are dropped by iptables, how can i 'reset' ip tables to do nothing?
[07:38] <Mabus> fissy: apt-get remove iptables
[07:38] <Mabus> or dpkg --purge
[07:38] <Kamion> Mabus: from sarge upgrading straight to hoary is probably easier
[07:38] <nimc> crimsun, do u know of a good webpage with info on how to set dmix for ubuntu ?
[07:39] <Mabus> Kamion: alright, I'll give it a shot.
[07:39] <Mabus> thansk
[07:39] <Mabus> heh :)
[07:47] <hile> what is the basic toolset to be improved and used by ubuntu, gnome-system-tools or what? I would like to add support for GPRS-connection setup and monitoring...
[07:49] <hile> monitoring could go to wireless monitor (use standard AT-commands to the GPRS-interface to get signal strength and other stuff), the device setup should be in network devices setup group of gnome-system-tools, I think...
[07:51] <hile> But is ubuntu going to use and improve GST? I would like to improve code which is in next release  I use as well ;)
[07:52] <Kamion> yes, we're using g-s-t and feeding back suggestions
[07:54] <hile> ok, fine
[07:55] <vinic> hi! I've got big trouble there... I booted ubuntu but X session refused to launch on my account (.ICEauthority unable to be read)... So I booted as root... file was existing... Then I tried again to boot on my account: NO MORE /home/vincent/ ...dam it... rebbot as root, the /home partition is not mounted... What happens?????
[07:58] <charlesbc> how can I install a debian package manually?
[07:58] <usual> dpkg -i
[07:59] <vinic> uhhh.... anyone can help?
[08:00] <usual> hoary's first broken package
[08:00] <usual> on my end at least
[08:00] <Slackman> hey guys, if i want a script to run on my gnome profile start up, where do i jam it?
[08:01] <Agrajag> anywhere you want to, just add it to your gnome session
[08:01] <Agrajag> preferences > sessions
[08:01] <Agrajag> startup programs tab
[08:04] <Slackman> Agrajag, thanks :)
[08:05] <Slackman> Agrajag, k, what if i want it to turn off at logout
[08:05] <usual> anyone need the fix for sed?
[08:06] <m00se> usual, i do
[08:06] <usual> sudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[08:06] <farruinn> how well does ubuntu handle dual boots with windows?
[08:07] <usual> farruinn, perfectly fine
[08:07] <farruinn> yay! =)
[08:07] <Slackman> farruinn, even dual boots with OSX nicely...and thats not an easy task
[08:07] <pepsi> it didnt want to boot windows xp off of my 2nd hard drive
[08:07] <Slackman> automagically too
[08:07] <pepsi> i had to tell the bios which hd to try to boot off of first
[08:07] <farruinn> heheheh, I a triple boot on my machine: OS X, OS 9, Ubuntu
[08:07] <pepsi> that problem went away when i got rid of windows :P
[08:07] <farruinn> all on a beige G3
[08:08] <Scognito> hi
[08:08] <usual> hi
[08:08] <Scognito> i'm ready for upgrading my ubuntu to hoary
[08:08] <m00se> usual, works great, thx!
[08:08] <usual> k
[08:08] <usual> m00se, np
[08:08] <Scognito> i've just made the backup
[08:08] <usual> Scognito, sed is broken in hoary
[08:08] <Scognito> any other reccomandation?
[08:08] <usual> but there is a fix
[08:09] <Scognito> i use geforce and the driver of nvidia
[08:09] <Agrajag> Slackman: it should die when gnome does
[08:09] <Scognito> where is the fix?
[08:09] <Agrajag> as I think anything in the session is a child process of gnome-session
[08:09] <usual> sudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[08:09] <Slackman> Agrajag, thanks
[08:10] <Scognito> other?
[08:10] <Ruffian|JANE|> HOw do I remove an app I just apt-got?
[08:11] <usual> apt-get remove
[08:11] <cenerentola> hi ya... is it right to "update-rc.d ntpdate remove" if i want to remove ntp-check at boot-tim...pun... boot-strap?
[08:11] <Scognito> apt-get remove what?
[08:11] <usual> the package name
[08:11] <Scognito> sed?
[08:11] <usual> apt-get remove packagename
[08:11] <usual> Scognito, no i already gave you that fix
[08:11] <Scognito> ah ok :D
[08:11] <usual> schweeb_, I was answering Ruffian|JANE|
[08:11] <usual> oops
[08:11] <usual> Scognito,
[08:11] <usual> heh
[08:11] <usual> damn xchat
[08:12] <Ruffian|JANE|> :-)
[08:12] <Scognito> :)
[08:12] <topyli> Scognito: iirc you need to try and fail the sed upgrade first, then apply the dirty hack, then upgrade again
[08:13] <cenerentola> hey... how i disable ntp check?
[08:13] <ElVirolo> hi all !
[08:13] <cenerentola> hi elvirolo
[08:13] <ElVirolo> i've got an error when i try the apt-get dist-upgrade wy hoary install
[08:13] <ElVirolo> i'll post it in #flood
[08:14] <topyli> cenerentola: remove ntpdate?
[08:14] <cenerentola> topyli: update-rc.d ntpdate remove?
[08:14] <usual> ElVirolo, with sed?
[08:14] <ark0n3> is anybody using ubuntu on amd64?
[08:14] <ElVirolo> usual : lol, yes
[08:14] <usual> ElVirolo, do this
[08:14] <topyli> cenerentola: possibly. what i meant was apt-get remove ntpdate :)
[08:14] <usual> sudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[08:15] <Scognito> topyli, i tought so too tnx
[08:15] <ElVirolo> usual: thank you sooo much :)
[08:15] <usual> np
[08:15] <ElVirolo> thks for being so helpful :)
[08:15] <ElVirolo> bye :)!
[08:15] <usual> byr
[08:15] <usual> bye
[08:15] <mwh>  Im having some trouble getting java-applets going with mozilla-firefox, but not with mozilla and epiphany, anyone heard about this problem before?
[08:16] <cenerentola> topyli: i mean i dont mean removing it forever...
[08:16] <topyli> cenerentola: oh, then you don't want to uninstall it :)
[08:16] <cenerentola> ...no.. just momentary disabled
[08:17] <topyli> cenerentola: you could also remove the link from /etc/rc2.d. then relink it when you want
[08:17] <cenerentola> topyli:ok... aint thre a script that does it?
[08:18] <fissy> Mabus, thanks for recommending removing iptables, ended up doing that and reinstalling... all works now
[08:18] <vinic> hi! I've got big trouble there... I booted ubuntu but X session refused to launch on my account (.ICEauthority unable to be read)... So I booted as root... file was existing... Then I tried again to boot on my account: NO MORE /home/vincent/ ...dam it... rebbot as root, the /home partition is not mounted... What happens?????
[08:18] <topyli> cenerentola: yes, i just never remember how it works when i need it. i'm spoiled by webmin
[08:18] <cenerentola> ahhh
[08:19] <bdale> lamont: thanks for the box, I had fun in staff yesterday...  ;-)
[08:20] <daniels> bdale: rock!
[08:21] <bdale> daniels: dude
[08:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> how can I get perlxml in Ubuntu?
[08:21] <lamont_r> bdale: cool!
[08:22] <xukun> hi
[08:22] <randomnick> ho
[08:22] <randomnick> hi
[08:24] <vinic> why my /home parttion doesnt mount no more?
[08:24] <randomnick> I'll finally get my Ubuntu CDs and distribute then to everybody (^_^)
[08:25] <topyli> grrr. java-package has no docs at all
[08:25] <xukun> randomnick: you mean for peaple who cant download the iso's?
[08:25] <topyli> you have to search the web just to find the damn command :(
[08:28] <Ng> anyone alive using hoary on a dualhead setup? :)
[08:29] <topyli> grrr. make-jpkg gives: "No matching plugin was found" isn't it supposed to work with sun's 1.5?
[08:29] <usual> topyli, I built a package
[08:30] <topyli> so, what do you think i'm missing?
[08:30] <Ng> hmm, that sounds interesting. will that build an amd64 package ok?
[08:30] <usual> topyli, did you read the wiki
[08:30] <usual> the howto
[08:31] <usual> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[08:31] <Telep> hmm, how do I install liferea and liferea-mozilla when both packages depend on each other? With dpkg that is.
[08:32] <topyli> usual: some time ago when i made the 1.4 package. i need to learn again i guess - you don't do this every day :)
[08:32] <usual> topyli, yea, just read the wiki page, I did it with no trouble
[08:33] <topyli> usual: ah, i see the problem. back to work, thanks!
[08:33] <usual> np
[08:34] <LeeColleton> does anyone know a good reference for netatalk?  I can't get passwords to work properly.
[08:37] <topyli> i always hate it when i say "yes" to the darn java license :\
[08:39] <usual> root@lexapro:~ # cryptsetup -y create crypt /dev/hda3
[08:39] <usual> Enter passphrase:
[08:39] <usual> Verify passphrase:
[08:39] <usual> Command failed: Invalid argument
[08:39] <usual> any idea?
[08:40] <xukun> anybody knows if ubuntu supports an old voodoo banshee pci card?
[08:47] <Faust> anybody running a imac DV?
[08:47] <Faust> with the rage 128?
[08:49] <lamont_r> any samba literate folks around?
[08:51] <EfaistOs> hi
[08:51] <EfaistOs> is there a DVD iso somewhere ?
[08:53] <Kamion> EfaistOs: no, we haven't produced DVDs
[08:53] <Kamion> or DVD images, come to that :)
[08:53] <EfaistOs> soon ?
[08:54] <Kamion> depends if enough people think they're useful enough to justify the increased resource consumption
[08:54] <Kamion> I don't think we'd build them daily, certainly
[08:55] <Quique> Kamion: what about including KDE?
[08:55] <Quique> Do you think you will do it at some moment?
[08:56] <nimc> which programs work with dmix except alsaplayer and 'aoss mpg321' ?
[08:56] <nimc> is it possible to get totem-xine to work with dmix ?
[08:56] <Kamion> Quique: the core team won't be putting work into it
[08:57] <Quique> :-(
[08:57] <Kamion> Quique: if community maintainers are prepared to support it, then that's great
[08:57] <Quique> What is it needed?
[08:57] <Kamion> Quique: as it stands we only have enough resources to support one desktop environment
[08:57] <Kamion> the sort of people capable of maintaining it already know what's needed, I suspect :)
[08:57] <Quique> Yeah, I mean
[08:57] <nimc> crimsun, r u still here?
[08:57] <Kamion> jriddell has some packages somewhere already, although I'm afraid I don't remember where
[08:58] <Quique> Thanks for the info
[08:58] <Quique> Now for something different
[08:58] <Quique> I'm involved in several translation and doc efforts
[08:58] <Quique> I could go a few days to the Ubuntu conf
[08:58] <crimsun> nimc: only for a couple more minutes; I have office hours soon.
[08:58] <Quique> Do you think it would make any sense?
[08:59] <gregburd> Kamion: I found some good information on how to setup FireWire drives as the boot disk on PowerBooks. http://131.204.27.45/ydl-howto/
[08:59] <will_> are there any privacy features in ubunt? like removing MRUDS?
[08:59] <nimc> crimsun, i followed http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin in order to get dmix to work... it works... but only with alsaplayer and 'aoss mpg321' - do u know other apps that work with dmix ?
[08:59] <Ruffian|JANE|> is it safe to add this in sources.list?: deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free
[09:00] <Ng> err
[09:00] <Ng> probably not ;)
[09:00] <crimsun> nimc: any app that uses alsa natively will.
[09:00] <nimc> crimsun, u told me that native alsa programs work with dmix... but which programs are native alsa programs ? can i get totem to work ?
[09:01] <crimsun> nimc: yes, totem-xine will. Choose the alsa output for xine.
[09:01] <nimc> hmmm
[09:01] <crimsun> nimc: note that mpg321 uses libao for its backend, and libao supports alsa natively.
[09:01] <Tolmi> hello!
[09:01] <crimsun> nimc: thus there's no need to wrap mpg321 with aoss
[09:01] <Tolmi> does anybody use autofs under Ubuntu?
[09:01] <Kamion> gregburd: hm, they just randomly grep /proc/device-tree for firewire, interesting
[09:01] <nimc> crimsun, i dont see where to choose alsa output in totem ?
[09:01] <Kamion> gregburd: wonder how that works if you have two firewire drives ...
[09:02] <crimsun> nimc: for instance, create an /etc/libao.conf with the following as content: default_driver=alsa09
[09:02] <seacyd> The printer (HP 4110) does not print black correctly but uses the colors. Any help to use the black catridge as well?
[09:02] <gregburd> Kamion: yeah, I saw that too.  clearly there is work to be done.
[09:02] <crimsun> nimc: if you do that, ogg123 and mpg321 will both use alsa natively
[09:02] <crimsun> nimc: gotta scoot.
[09:02] <nimc> thanks
[09:02] <nimc> any idea about totem?
[09:02] <Kamion> gregburd: and the yaboot.conf they quote doesn't quite match that, either ... I think I need to get a firewire disk of my own to test
[09:02] <nimc> i dont see command line option or gui option for alsa ?
[09:03] <gregburd> Kamion: thankfully, they are inexpensive.
[09:04] <GammaRay> nimc: ~/.gnome2/totem_config
[09:04] <nimc> thanks... i'll try
[09:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> If Ubuntu does not start having support for Debian repositories people are going to stop using it.  Alot of things that are needed are in Debian, but only old versions are in Universe
[09:05] <bsm117532> WRT DTML scripting on your wiki...
[09:05] <bsm117532> It was mentioned that one can write a DTML script to "delete all wiki pages".
[09:05] <nimc> GammaRay, many options there... do u know what i should modify ?
[09:05] <mjr> Ruffian|JANE|, or not
[09:05] <lamont_r> Ruffian|JANE|: the newer version will be in hoary
[09:05] <dialtone> hi
[09:05] <bsm117532> Note that one can write a perl script, using only HTTP GET/POST to do the *same thing*
[09:06] <dialtone> I've got some problems with sed in hoary
[09:06] <lamont_r> dialtone: see /topic
[09:06] <dialtone> oh sry
[09:06] <GammaRay> nimc: I'll bet audio.driver
[09:06] <bsm117532> python scripts are added to the ZODB and these can be accessed by DTML.
[09:06] <GammaRay> nimc: I know that can be set to esd.. maybe it can be set to alsa also
[09:06] <will_> i have a problem with updating to the latest packages with synaptic can someone help me?
[09:07] <bsm117532> So enabling DTML does not open any more security holes than are available to a person armed with perl and HTTP GET.
[09:07] <nimc> GammaRay, right now i have: #audio.driver:auto
[09:07] <lamont_r> Ruffian|JANE|: more to the point, there are different libraries, and mix-n-match is known to be "fraught with peril"
[09:07] <nimc> to uncomment and use :alsa ?
[09:07] <nimc> audio.driver:alsa
[09:07] <nimc> ?
[09:07] <GammaRay> yep
[09:07] <nimc> thanks.. trying
[09:08] <GammaRay> I think I once used oss there
[09:08] <lamont_r> Ruffian|JANE|: "latest crack" is inconsitant with "production ready"
[09:09] <Ruffian|JANE|> All I want is the latest version of gDesklets, but only a way old version is in Universe
[09:09] <will_> please?
[09:09] <Ruffian|JANE|> and I need gDesklets
[09:09] <Ruffian|JANE|> and its not compiling from scratch
[09:09] <Tolmi> will_ What is your problem in details?
[09:10] <will_> Tolmi: will u have a look in #flood?
[09:10] <nimc> GammaRay, it didnt work.... i should tell it to use dmix too somehow maybe? for alsaplayer i need to use: alsaplayer -o alsa -d plug:dmix
[09:10] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: you *need* gdesklets ? I thought they were just eye candy ?
[09:11] <will_> Tolmi: its about updating sed (4.1.2-2)
[09:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> thoreauputic, it does multiple things, depending on which pluggin you use
[09:12] <nimc> this maybe ? #audio.alsa_front_device:plug:front:0
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> wow
[09:12] <Faust> has anybody ever heard of a ATI rage 128?
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> ubuntu is on a 1.8G partition
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> and has 68M free after install
[09:12] <thoreauputic> OK. I just find it interesting that someone would actually _need_ them...
[09:12] <bluefoxicy> just wow.
[09:12] <cyrus-tc> Faust, old
[09:12] <Kamion> hoary universe has the current version of gdesklets
[09:12] <Faust> can't believe no one has!! wow
[09:12] <Tolmi> will_ are you using the stable branch?
[09:13] <will_> Tolmi: strange huh, i found the file /usr/share/info/sed.info WITH a .gz ending and two others
[09:13] <will_> Tolme: no its hoary :)
[09:13] <will_> Tolmi even
[09:13] <Faust> oiagan gringos de mierda
[09:14] <Tolmi> will_ okay I see now
[09:14] <Tolmi> :)
[09:14] <will_> Tolmi: sorry did not see the topic in this room!!!!
[09:14] <will_> tolmi: they say: Yes, sed is broken in Hoary, it'll be fixed soon
[09:14] <Tolmi> will_ ok continue in #flood
[09:15] <Ruffian|JANE|> god I cant wait for hoary!
[09:15] <GammaRay> Ruffian|JANE|: I'm here
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: you can dist-upgrade to it now, if you wish
[09:16] <Ruffian|JANE|> hmmm, tempting, but I dont want to break my box
[09:16] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|:it will be good :) i like some of the new features - truely idiot proof
[09:17] <lamont_r> will_: nah - idiots will still add debian sources and wonder why strange things happen.
[09:17] <nimc> GammaRay, i doesnt work... i notice that afterwards it automatically restore audio.driver=auto and plug:front when i change them...
[09:17] <Ruffian|JANE|> will_, what does it add?
[09:18] <GammaRay> nimc: maybe you have to add a xine alsa plugin?
[09:18] <xukun> Ruffian|JANE|: I have done it on two pc's without any problems
[09:18] <nimc> there is OSS device there, is it relevant?
[09:18] <nimc> hm
[09:18] <Ruffian|JANE|> what are the steps involed in upgrading?
[09:19] <xukun> Ruffian|JANE|: easy. change every warty in sources.list to hoary
[09:19] <xukun> then apt-get update and dist-upgrade. that worked for me
[09:20] <Bader> hi
[09:20] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: few nicer, easier way to do things (for some) like configure boot through the GUI
[09:20] <will_> too many to say!
[09:20] <xukun> Bader: hi Bader
[09:21] <Faust> ATENITON ATTENTION READ ALLA ABOUT IT APT_GET DIST_UPGRADE UPGRADES
[09:21] <Faust> read all about in man apt-get
[09:21] <will_> lamont_r: i have no problems with most debian packages, even in hoary! (but i choose carefully!!!)
[09:21] <nimc> GammaRay, goggle doesnt seem to return interesting results for: totem alsa
[09:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok, im gonna upgrade to hoary - anyone want to help me?
[09:21] <genghis> evening... problem with wifi and WEP.  network card works fine unencrypted, can't find an interface to set up wlan-specific options in the gui, and iwconfig, when set, just gets overridden by some other process.  any clues?
[09:22] <Bader> I just did an agg, but sed reconfigration crash on sed configuration failure !
[09:22] <Faust> go into su
[09:22] <beezly> duck and cover guys... they're upgrading to hoary!
[09:22] <Faust> apt-get update
[09:22] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: you cant go back once u have done it: its re-install and its not stable at all btw
[09:22] <Bader> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[09:22] <Bader> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[09:22] <Faust> then apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:22] <Faust> easy as pie
[09:22] <beezly> Bader, there's already a fix for that in debian
[09:22] <will_> Bader: its known, they are working on it :)
[09:22] <beezly> Bader: it will get into hoary tonight I would guess
[09:22] <Bader> cool :)
[09:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> will_ ok I wont then
[09:23] <Bader> is it in the ubuntu bugzilla?
[09:23] <beezly> yep
[09:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> Im waiting for the final release
[09:23] <beezly> Ruffian|JANE|: see you in 5 months then? ;)
[09:23] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: i have had a few issues, but if your system is not mission-critical, go for it and help find bugs :)
[09:23] <beezly> I haven't had any showstopper bugs hit me in hoary yet.
[09:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> will_, I am afraid!
[09:24] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: dont be afraid! put it on another pc then!
[09:24] <beezly> but it's the "yet" that is slightly more inevitable in hoary at the moment!
[09:24] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|JANE|: back up your data: worst that can happen is you have to reinstall (heheh)
[09:24] <will_> exactly
[09:25] <Ruffian|JANE|> ill just wait for final release
[09:25] <Ruffian|JANE|> makes more sence to me
[09:25] <Faust> dist-upgrade is pretty safe
[09:25] <Faust> I'e done it a few times in debian and O only had to reinstall xfree86 after one upgrade
[09:25] <Faust> pretty easy
[09:25] <Managu> genghis: computer -> system configuration -> networking
[09:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> does anyone know of a good app launcher that is full of eye candy?
[09:26] <genghis> anyone know how to configure a wlan card with wep in ubuntu?  FAQ says use the GUI widget but it has no settings save for IP address/subnet
[09:26] <genghis> Managu: nothing there except ifconfig-equivalents
[09:26] <will_> Ruffian|JANE|: one big benefit i forgot......five characters: X.ORG
[09:26] <Faust> so nobody is using macs?
[09:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> Faust, im running YDL on mine cuz Ubuntu was not supported
[09:26] <will_> beats xfreeeeeee
[09:27] <Managu> genghis: ehh?  Mine shows WEP key
[09:27] <Faust> I want to know about accel in debian on a rage 128 card 'cause debian is not quite up to spec for me
[09:27] <Faust> what's your mac model and video card?
[09:27] <TeRanEX> hi, i have a question about the partition manager in the installer
[09:27] <Bader> will_: beezly: i remove the last two line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst
[09:27] <Managu> Faust: I had a rage 128 based card back in the day.  X supports acceleration for it, iirc.
[09:28] <genghis> Managu: and mine doesn't.. this is H, btw.  4 tabs,  connections, general, dns and hosts.
[09:28] <TeRanEX> i once installed ubuntu 4.10 Pre, and now want to install 4.10 again in a dual boot with Win XP
[09:28] <luc1f3r> Guys, I'm trying to install an NVIDIA driver
[09:28] <will_> Bader: what are you trying to do?
[09:28] <luc1f3r> on UBUNTU
[09:28] <Managu> genghis: well, off on a limb here -- what interface is it on?
[09:28] <luc1f3r> and it says I need to "exit my X server"
[09:28] <Bader> will_: fixing sed configuration problem
[09:28] <luc1f3r> can you explain how to do that?
[09:29] <Bader> will_: now it works, seb128 said me how to fix it.
[09:29] <Managu> genghis: err, scratch that.  On the connections tab, do you have any network cards listed?
[09:29] <genghis> Managu: eth0.
[09:29] <thoreauputic> luc1f3r: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:29] <will_> Bader: will try :)
[09:29] <Managu> genghis: eth0 for a wireless card?  That's sort of odd
[09:29] <Faust> yes, I've id'd r128 and the ATI as the manufacturer in my XF86Config-4 file, it also glx and a a few other drivers in it.  I'm also using xfree86-DRI but I still get ghosting
[09:30] <TeRanEX> in the partition manager, when viewing the details of a partition, you could set a partition to 'active'
[09:30] <TeRanEX> what does this mean?
[09:30] <TeRanEX> and do i have to do it?
[09:30] <Managu> genghis: wonder how it figures out that that's your wireless card
[09:30] <topyli> luc1f3r: logout, press ctrl+alt+F2. do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop. install the driver. do 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start'. pray for X to start.
[09:30] <genghis> Managu: has worked since the day it was installed - but without WEP until now
[09:30] <Faust> Managu:it's so bad that I had to shut off KDE's "render inside windows as I drag" option
[09:30] <Managu> Faust: it's a really old card
[09:31] <GammaRay> I've noticed that /etc/init.d/gdm restart does not work. Is that true for anyone else?
[09:31] <Bader> will_: then apt-get -f install :)
[09:31] <Chibi> Hrmmm.. Drat. -_-
[09:31] <Faust> that's what I hear, that because it is old that drivers might not be optimized for it
[09:31] <Chibi> I can't boot my laptop now ;.;
[09:31] <will_> Bader: it worked, I used Synaptic
[09:32] <Managu> Faust: last computer I had with a rage 128 card on it was a 486-100.  Couldn't really speak much to speed there
[09:32] <Managu> genghis: well, you might look into editing your /etc/network/interfaces file
[09:32] <will_> i only have an intel 810 built in thing ;(
[09:34] <Skif> oh, good
[09:34] <Managu> wow!  Somebody who reads the topic!
[09:34] <Skif> Yeah, scary, ain't it
[09:34] <[Phaedrus] > hello guys
[09:35] <Skif> Wish I'd read it before I did hoary, but hey :)
[09:36] <rainydaymusic1> hey all
[09:36] <rainydaymusic1> when i send an email locally from myself to myself it gets put in the proper place, but when i use fetchmail it puts it in the default folder rather than the onei have declared in the config files, any idea?
[09:37] <topyli> rainydaymusic1: what's the "proper place"?
[09:37] <topyli> and what's the "default folder"?
[09:37] <rainydaymusic1> okay...the proper place should be $home/Maildir/new
[09:38] <rainydaymusic1> and the default is /var/mail/
[09:38] <rainydaymusic1> fetchmail even spits out a line that says its placing it in /var/mail
[09:39] <rainydaymusic1> the way i have it supposedly configured is, fetchmail grabs the mail, runs procmail + spamassassin, and exim should deliver it to courier-imap
[09:39] <rainydaymusic1> but somewhere along the way it doesn't get to the courier-imap folders
[09:40] <topyli> hmm. i've never seen courier from a very close distance :(
[09:40] <natxo> hi there
[09:40] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: is fetchmail doing the delivery itself?  It's been a long time since I used fetchmail, but it's supposed to be set up where it talks to a (e.g.) POP3, or IMAP server, gets the mail, and sends it to the local MTA
[09:40] <topyli> rainydaymusic1: i'd say it's procmail's fault
[09:41] <rainydaymusic1> yea, it seems like its something with procmail...
[09:41] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: well fetchmail sends it off to procmail to do the filtering and such
[09:41] <rainydaymusic1> and i think procmail hands it off to exim, the mta
[09:41] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: mmm.  Why not just hand it off to exim, and let exim hand it off to procmail/etc?
[09:42] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: so reverse it?
[09:42] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: have it be fetchmail, to exim, to proc, to courier?
[09:43] <Managu> I may be just confusing things, but why don't you get it working without the mail filtering (i.e. straight to the MTA), and then worry about the filtering
[09:43] <topyli> i'd say make exim give it to courier, then you'd have to change only one thing :)
[09:43] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: yeah, thats a good idea...haha, do you know how to do it?
[09:43] <rainydaymusic1> right now my fetchmail config is....
[09:44] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: not off hand.  Pastes to #flood if you want
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> poll mail.server.com proto pop3 user
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> 	"login" password "password"
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> 	is "josh" here
[09:44] <rainydaymusic1> 	mda "/usr/bin/procmail";
[09:44] <Managu> oh, yeah, I'd definitely change the mda line.  Lemme go look at the dox
[09:45] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: okay, i just copied it from some Howto i was following, thanks
[09:45] <Managu> darn slow internet at this end... I think I've got my wireless card misconfigured or something...  sec
[09:45] <Rob|Linux> Gnoppix is Ubuntu right
[09:46] <Tritoch|L> hi have anyone here tried runnin FAI on ubuntu?
[09:46] <Skif> robertj: not last I checked.
[09:46] <Skif> er, that last to Rob|Linux, even
[09:46] <Rob|Linux> skif?
[09:46] <Skif> Oh nope, I'm wrong.
[09:47] <Skif> Used to be just 'knoppix + gnome', but apparently it is ubuntu now.
[09:47] <Rob|Linux> yea
[09:47] <Rob|Linux> I'm running it now
[09:47] <Skif> So, you had a question?
[09:47] <Rob|Linux> it has a nice boot loader
[09:47] <topyli> Skif: last i looked, they even had the "about ubuntu" menu entry in place :)
[09:47] <Skif> topyli: yeah, it was quite some time ago that I looked at gnoppix
[09:47] <Skif> certainly long before canonical was formed.
[09:48] <Scognito> upgrading to hoary
[09:48] <Scognito> does xorg is istalled by default?
[09:48] <Gwildor_> Scognito, yes
[09:48] <topyli> Scognito: is now
[09:48] <Scognito> good
[09:48] <Skif> weird... I just installed xfonts-dosemu, but xdosemu isn't seeing them.
[09:48] <Scognito> do i have to upgrade with X disabled then?
[09:48] <Skif> Scognito: nope.
[09:48] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: Yeah, I'd just drop the mda line altogether; see if that works
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: do you know what will happen when i do that?
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: it'll just go straight to exim?
[09:49] <Scognito> Skif, after i restart X, xorg will be default?
[09:49] <Managu> well, theoretically...
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> hehe
[09:49] <Skif> Scognito: Wonderful thing about *nix: if a file is open (say, executing, like your x server), you can delete it on disk and it doesn't go away until that file is closed
[09:49] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: giddy up, here goes nothin
[09:49] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: fetchmail should read your mail from wherever, and then open up a local connection to your MTA (exim in this case?).
[09:49] <topyli> Rob|Linux: you want to port the gnoppix boot process to ubuntu? we could use some eye candy :)
[09:50] <Skif> Scognito: yep.  You'll probably want to log out afterwards, but that's not a problem.
[09:50] <Skif> Scognito: you will probably want to put sed on hold, though (see /topic)
[09:50] <Rob|Linux> how top :)
[09:50] <Scognito> yes
[09:50] <Scognito> in fact i'll upgrade sed
[09:50] <Scognito> then the dist-upgrade
[09:50] <Gwildor_> Rob|Linux, no more libra or mepis?
[09:51] <topyli> Rob|Linux: i think the ubuntu Evil Committee of Pretty Booting is cooking something for the future
[09:51] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: doesnt appear to have worked :-\
[09:51] <Managu> can you determine what happened?
[09:52] <luc1f3r> hey
[09:52] <luc1f3r> someone want to help me?
[09:52] <rainydaymusic1> Managu: let me check the read out
[09:52] <luc1f3r> I'm trying to install an NVIDIA driver...
[09:52] <Managu> rainydaymusic1, okies
[09:52] <Scognito> ok
[09:52] <Scognito> sed fixed
[09:52] <Scognito> upgrading :)
[09:52] <Rob|Linux> Gwildor: I never left them I'm more of a Libranet and Yoper , but Ubuntu grew damn too fast for me not to pay attention to it so why not , Knoppix and Mepis I'm still testing
[09:52] <Scognito> crossing my fingers
[09:52] <topyli> luc1f3r: i remember
[09:52] <luc1f3r> any suggestions?
[09:53] <luc1f3r> I ran /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[09:53] <luc1f3r> and it took me out of gdm, i guess
[09:53] <luc1f3r> that didn't help at all
[09:53] <luc1f3r> basically, it says i need to exit the "X server"
[09:53] <will_> Ubuntu is my first...and probably last distro :)
[09:53] <luc1f3r> and i can't figure out how...
[09:53] <scoon> luc1f3r: are you trying to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia's site ?
[09:53] <luc1f3r> yeah
[09:54] <topyli> luc1f3r: i've never had an nvidia card
[09:54] <rainydaymusic1> Managu, i dont think it put it anywhere at all now haha
[09:54] <scoon> luc1f3r: make certain that you stop gdm, and be certain that nv module is unloaded
[09:54] <scoon> luc1f3r: did you try to install the deb first ?
[09:54] <Managu> rainydaymusic1: are you running fetchmail from the command line?
[09:54] <rainydaymusic1> Managu, ill msg you privately with the printout
[09:54] <beezly> does anyone else see problems with evolution crashing when selecting text?
[09:54] <rainydaymusic1> Managu, yes
[09:55] <Managu> rainydaymusic1, okies, let's see it
[09:55] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia luc1f3r
[09:55] <bonobo> luc1f3r: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:55] <ogra> hi all !
[09:55] <luc1f3r> scoon: i don't know what the "deb" is, I tried instaling w/ "terminal"
[09:55] <Gwildor_> HI HI
[09:55] <netmonk> hi ogra ;)
[09:55] <scoon> luc1f3r: sorry.  did you try to install it from apt first ?
[09:56] <luc1f3r> scoon: i'm sorry, almost everything sounds like giberish to me, what is "apt"?
[09:56] <scoon> luc1f3r: nevermind.
[09:57] <ogra> luc1f3r: read the url the bonobo bot gave you
[09:57] <luc1f3r> okay
[09:58] <scoon> luc1f3r: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:58] <scoon> luc1f3r: just follow that.
[09:59] <choulth> hi there :)
[09:59] <ogra> hi
[10:01] <choulth> whow, this is... big :)
[10:01] <luc1f3r> scoon: i got this message :
[10:01] <luc1f3r> your XFree86 configuration has been succesfully changed.
[10:01] <luc1f3r> In order to take full advantages of the changes XFree86 needs to
[10:01] <luc1f3r> be restarted.
[10:01] <luc1f3r> does that just mean restart my computer?
[10:01] <Treenaks> luc1f3r: no, just log out and back in
[10:01] <luc1f3r> k
[10:01] <luc1f3r> brb
[10:04] <vinic> hi!
[10:04] <Gwildor_> I think luc1f3r broke his X, he;s not back yet
[10:04] <rradjabi_> scoon: that seemed to work
[10:04] <Gwildor_> vinic, hi
[10:05] <rradjabi_> sorry
[10:05] <scoon> rradjabi_: what
[10:05] <vinic> I've got a problem with mounting filesystem at boot
[10:05] <rradjabi_> this is luc1f3r
[10:05] <rradjabi_> um, weird
[10:05] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, run glxgears, soo how good it works
[10:05] <vinic> my /home partition doesnt mount
[10:05] <rradjabi_> it says name already in use
[10:05] <rradjabi_> k
[10:05] <scoon> rradjabi_: have you checked /etc/fstab
[10:05] <vinic> so I just can log as root
[10:06] <ogra> rradjabi_: luc1f3r is still logged in.....
[10:06] <vinic> yes
[10:06] <vinic> fstab is correct
[10:06] <rradjabi_> yes i see that, how do i log luc1f3r out?
[10:06] <vinic> if I do mount -a, it works
[10:06] <rradjabi_> scoon: do i type that in console?
[10:06] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, he shoulda logged out when yoou restarted X
[10:06] <rradjabi_> yeah, what should I've done
[10:06] <thoreauputic> rradjabi_: is luc1f3r registered ?
[10:07] <scoon> rradjabi_: type what ?
[10:07] <rradjabi_> scoon: /etc/fstab
[10:07] <rradjabi_> thoreauputic: I don't think so
[10:07] <scoon> rradjabi_: that is the file that the kernel uses to mount your drives.  just look at it and see if it appears correct.
[10:07] <Scognito> Get:41 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main xorg-common 6.8.1-1ubuntu2 [826kB] 
[10:07] <Scognito> ops sorry
[10:07] <scoon> rradjabi_: it is not a command
[10:08] <rradjabi_> okay
[10:08] <rradjabi_> well anyways, i have some icons missing
[10:08] <ogra> Scognito: youre upgrading ? didnt you read the topic ?
[10:08] <thoreauputic> scoon: I don't think rradjabi_ was the one with mount problems
[10:08] <vinic> I am
[10:08] <vinic> :)
[10:08] <Gwildor_> hehe
[10:09] <scoon> thoreauputic: yikes.  i am getting confused.  sorry people.  it seems like people are typing all over the place.
[10:09] <Scognito> ogra, yes
[10:09] <Scognito> i fixed
[10:09] <ogra> Scognito: hoary ?
[10:09] <Scognito> i'm an hacker ;D
[10:09] <scoon> vinic: mount problems ?
[10:09] <Scognito> yes
[10:09] <vinic> scoon yes
[10:09] <ogra> Scognito: without having installed it ?
[10:09] <scoon> vinic: have you looked at fstab ?
[10:10] <vinic> scoon: yes
[10:10] <rradjabi_> Guys, when i logged in w/ the new driver installed
[10:10] <Scognito> you mean the problem with sed?
[10:10] <rradjabi_> it has icons missing on my desktop and toolbars
[10:10] <vinic> scoon: it is correct
[10:10] <ogra> Scognito: i'm really curious if your upgrade works....keep us informed here
[10:10] <rsa> i do need some help here please, anyone knows how to solve this problem i have
[10:10] <Scognito> damn!
[10:10] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, such as?
[10:10] <vinic> scoon: if I do mount -a, it works
[10:10] <Scognito> what is the problem?
[10:10] <ogra> Scognito: yep, i mean sed
[10:10] <rsa> RCPT TO <xxxx@email.com> failed: <xxxxx@email.com>... Relaying only allowed for customers of Tiscali Sweden
[10:10] <Scognito> i can stop upgrading
[10:10] <vinic> as root...
[10:11] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: the trash can at my bottom righ
[10:11] <will_> rsa: what smtp server are you using?
[10:11] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, wow, that's kinda a bummer
[10:11] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: the "show desktop" icon
[10:11] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: do you know why it would do that?
[10:11] <rsa> the one they give to me
[10:11] <thoreauputic> vinic: does your /home partition have  "auto" in its /etc/fstab line?
[10:11] <ogra> Scognito: a lot of packages depend on sed......if your fix doesnt work.....i dont know what happens....maybe nothing...thus i said keep us informed
[10:11] <will_> i have fixed the sed problem
[10:11] <Scognito> ogra, ok no problem
[10:12] <will_> rsa: are you with tiscali?
[10:12] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, I have no idea, just replace them, rightclick on the bar, go to add.....<whatever>, they will both be in that list
[10:12] <vinic> thoreauputic: no, but it never had
[10:12] <rsa> will_: yes
[10:12] <rradjabi_> Gwildor_: they show like broken links (icon is a page w/ red x in the middle)
[10:12] <xukun> I,m in a need of seting up a svn, Is there anything that any can help me with?
[10:12] <vinic> thoreauputic: and it used to work
[10:12] <ogra> Scognito: it could also leave you half upgraded though....
[10:12] <Gwildor_> rradjabi_, other than what I just said, I have no-idea, sorry
[10:12] <Scognito> no problem...
[10:12] <thoreauputic> vinic: used to? what have you changed since?
[10:13] <will_> rsa: humm it says about relaying, are you using Evolution?
[10:13] <vinic> thoreauputic: no
[10:13] <ogra> Scognito: probably unusable.....
[10:13] <rsa> will_: yes i do
[10:13] <Scognito> damn...
[10:13] <rradjabi_> Gwildor: I removed, then added, it must have lost icons, or cannot view them
[10:13] <vinic> thoreauputic: today I turned on my computer and refused to boot on my user account, suddenly
[10:13] <topyli> xukun: what's an svn? :)
[10:13] <rsa> will_: i can receive mail thou
[10:13] <will_> rsa: just use 'sendmail' instead to send your emails
[10:14] <thoreauputic> vinic: you haven't changed your user or user info?
[10:14] <ogra> Scognito: Roulette OS  ;)
[10:14] <rsa> will_: i'll try that
[10:14] <will_> rsa: ubuntu has its own email sending capabitlities
[10:14] <Scognito> eh eh
[10:14] <thoreauputic> vinic: or attempted to create a root user or something?
[10:14] <Scognito> ogra, you mean the problem is in "sed" itself?
[10:14] <vinic> thoreauputic: hmmm.... let me check
[10:14] <Scognito> i can make some test to see if sed works
[10:14] <rradjabi_> brb
[10:14] <rsa> will_: okey ... i'll give it a try brb
[10:14] <xukun> topyli: hmm Subversion  is  a  version control system, which allows you to keep old versions of files (usually source code), keep a log of who, when,  and why  changes occurred, etc., like CVS, RCS or SCCS.
[10:15] <ogra> Scognito: looks like, i'm just diggin through the mailing list.....
[10:15] <nimc> anyone knows what is needed to get video-in (ati) to work ?
[10:15] <Scognito> i have to go 10 mins
[10:15] <topyli> xukun: ah, subversion
[10:15] <Scognito> see you later
[10:15] <will_> everyone: sed will be updated and fixed......as for the actual problem... I dont know
[10:15] <vinic> thoreauputic: no i didnt
[10:17] <ogra> Scognito: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3771
[10:17] <thoreauputic> vinic: type id and seeif your user is in the list ( normally would have user id 1000 and group id 1000 if it's your first user)
[10:17] <ogra> oh
[10:17] <vinic> thoreauputic: no i didnt
[10:17] <rsa> will_: thx alot mate! ;). it works well now
[10:17] <vinic> thoreauputic: sorry... in users-admin UID = 1000
[10:18] <vinic> thoreauputic: ID = 1000
[10:18] <thoreauputic> vinic: you should see a whole bunch of groups your user belongs to
[10:18] <vinic> thoreauputic: typing ID, user account doesnt appear
[10:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: but I'm logged as root
[10:19] <thoreauputic> vinic: umm.... you have made a root user?
[10:19] <scoon> vinic: sorry i am having isp issues today.
[10:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: root ID=0
[10:20] <vinic> thoreauputic: but this is very old
[10:20] <scoon> vinic: for what it is worth, my /home is on a separate drive and it gets loaded at boot.
[10:20] <thoreauputic> vinic: of course - but Ubuntu has no root user by default - you have made a root user, have you not?
[10:20] <scoon> vinic: here's how: /dev/hdb1       /home           reiserfs defaults               0       1
[10:20] <vinic> thoreauputic: mine is on separate drive too
[10:21] <scoon> vinic: just use defaults for options.
[10:21] <vinic> thoreauputic: I cant remeber if i did a root user at first or second(last) Ubuntu install
[10:21] <vinic> scoon: defaults options is ok
[10:21] <ogra> bonobo: sudo vinic
[10:21] <bonobo> vinic: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:22] <topyli> thoreauputic: there's always root, with uid=0. ubuntu just disables it
[10:22] <vinic> bonobo: i read that too late! but i did
[10:22] <vinic> :)
[10:22] <seacyd> Any help about setting up a printer? The black ink gets not used except from command line?
[10:22] <seacyd> It is a hp4110
[10:22] <thoreauputic> topyli: yes, of course - I'm trying to diagnose what vinic has done
[10:22] <ogra> vinic: bonobo is a bot.....
[10:22] <vinic> :D
[10:23] <vinic> stupid me! :D
[10:23] <ogra> vinic: the wiki also shows how to re enable it .....
[10:23] <ogra> hmm...disable...
[10:23] <vinic> but if i did it, it was long long ago
[10:24] <Gwildor_> that bonobo sure is a trickster
[10:24] <vinic> why today ????
[10:25] <ogra> Gwildor_: hehe
[10:25] <vinic> I guess I'm gonna re-install Ubuntu a third time... :(
[10:25] <ogra> Gwildor_: but still helpful
[10:27] <Gwildor_> bonobo, I love you
[10:27] <Gwildor_> no response, what a jerk
[10:27] <Gwildor_> haha
[10:27] <vinic> thoreauputic: no more idea?....
[10:28] <thoreauputic> vinic: thinking....
[10:28] <vinic> thoreauputic: good!
[10:28] <vinic> ;o)
[10:28] <smurfix> Quick workaround for the sed problem in hoary: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst as root, add "exit 0" in the second line.
[10:29] <thoreauputic> vinic: see if your user has an entry in /etc/passwd (  less /etc/passwd )
[10:29] <vinic> thoreauputic: checkin
[10:30] <Mabus> are there fglrx drivers for xorg ?
[10:30] <ogra> bonobo: nvidia Mabus
[10:30] <bonobo> Mabus: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:30] <ogra> oops
[10:30] <Mabus> ati ?
[10:30] <ogra> bonobo: ati Mabus
[10:30] <bonobo> Mabus: for ati in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:30] <ogra> sorry
[10:30] <Mabus> np :)
[10:31] <ogra> same url ;)
[10:31] <vinic> thoreauputic: yes
[10:31] <Mabus> ogra: I'm getting 'fglrx-driver: Depends on xserver-xfree86'.
[10:31] <Mabus> ogra: I just removed xfree86 and installed xorg.
[10:31] <thoreauputic> vinic: what happens if (as root) you type su <yourusername>  ?
[10:31] <Mabus> ogra: (in step 2: 'sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver')
[10:31] <ogra> Mabus: hoary , sorry..... i dont thionk there are fglrx drivers yet
[10:32] <Mabus> ogra: ah, okay
[10:32] <ogra> Mabus: i shot too fast.....
[10:32] <Mabus> then my question is answered :)
 are there fglrx drivers for xorg ?
[10:32] <ogra> yep :)
[10:32] <Mabus> ogra: you're a quick shooter, yes :)
[10:32] <ogra> hehe
[10:32] <Mabus> in 90% of the cases, you'd have answered my question, so good work!
[10:32] <vinic> thoreauputic: I get vincent@PINGU:/root $
[10:33] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:33] <thoreauputic> vinic: well, now you have become the user, so your user exists, at least
[10:33] <vinic> :)
[10:34] <topyli> vinic: give yourself a password, quickly! :)
[10:34] <Scognito> re
[10:34] <thoreauputic> vinic: if you type cd by itself, you should land in your home dirctory, in theory
[10:34] <vinic> topyli: ???
[10:34] <topyli> perhaps you can then log in normally
[10:35] <ogra> Scognito: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3771
[10:35] <vinic> thoreauputic: I do
[10:35] <vinic> but it is mounted... /home/vincent
[10:35] <Skif> I'm not sure if this is a bug or not: I downgraded set to the previous version, and put it on hold, so the rest of my dist-upgrade wouldn't be affected by it.  When I ran 'aptitude dist-upgrade' it didn't respect the hold, but running aptitdue by itself, and then doing the upgrade did respect it.
[10:35] <thoreauputic> vinic: well, so your home dir is mounted, obviously
[10:35] <Scognito> i saw it
[10:35] <vinic> thoreauputic: Yes
[10:35] <vinic> I did it manually: mount -a
[10:35] <Scognito> ogra, what do you think about that?
[10:36] <Scognito> will it stop the upgrade?
[10:36] <ogra> Scognito: i think its worth waiting 12 hrs :)
[10:36] <thoreauputic> vinic: ah , I see - so the problem is you can't log in as your user?
[10:36] <vinic> thoreauputic: but it doesnt mount at boot
[10:36] <vinic> thoreauputic: Yes
[10:36] <ogra> Scognito: to save you a lot of work or frustration
[10:36] <Scognito> o waited so long to upgrade... :/
[10:37] <vinic> thoreauputic: X cant reach ICEauthority....
[10:37] <vinic> thoreauputic: that's the error I get
[10:37] <ogra> Scognito: someone suggested putting exit 0 in the beginnig of /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst
[10:37] <vinic> thoreauputic: because /home is not mounted
[10:37] <ogra> Scognito: but if sed doesnt work properly afterwards...then more will break....
[10:38] <scoon> vinic: what file system are you using for /home ?
[10:38] <ogra> Scognito: so waint 12 hrs to be safe
[10:38] <ogra> -n
[10:38] <vinic> thoreauputic: if it can help, i have another problem with mount stuff... I have an external HDD and, at boot, it mounts drives before it is recognized... so they're not mounted
[10:38] <thoreauputic> vinic: change your /etc/fstab to auto for your /home partition then
[10:38] <Scognito> ok
[10:38] <Scognito> btw if someone has a working solution i'm here
[10:39] <vinic> thoreauputic: in options tab?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> ?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> vinic: edit /etc/fstab
[10:39] <vinic> thoreauputic: default,auto?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> that should be OK
[10:39] <vinic> ok
[10:39] <ceu> the xmms menu font is too small. How can I change that?
[10:40] <ogra> defaults,auto
[10:40] <vinic> rebootin then!!!
[10:40] <ogra> regard the s
[10:40] <thoreauputic> defaults  I think is  correct
[10:40] <thoreauputic> vinic: the s is important!
[10:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:40] <vinic> yes
[10:40] <vinic> I wouldnt have changed it anyway
[10:40] <vinic> ;)
[10:40] <vinic> thx
[10:40] <thoreauputic> vinic: cool  ;)
[10:41] <vinic> catch you later
[10:41] <kgill> ogra are you always in here?
[10:41] <ogra> kgill: only after work.... :)
[10:41] <wfx> most time
[10:42] <kgill> ogra thank you again for your help yesterday
[10:42] <wfx> orga is the helping bot ;-)
[10:42] <ogra> kgill: everything working now ?
[10:42] <kgill> now another question how can I check for updates for the current packages installed
[10:43] <kgill> almost everything
[10:44] <kgill> Someone else did the install and it had errors during the instal process but they said it was ok aparently not since last night I did a re install and everything is working
[10:44] <ogra> kgill: have i already pointed you to the syanptic howto ?
[10:44] <vinic> :(
[10:44] <kgill> not yet
[10:44] <vinic> :'(
[10:44] <Gwildor_> kgill, use synaptic to upgrade or apt-get upgrade
[10:44] <wfx> bonobo, kgill syanptic
[10:44] <ogra> wfx: hehe
[10:44] <wfx> tja...
[10:44] <thoreauputic> vinic: no good?
[10:44] <ogra> wfx: wrong order
[10:44] <vinic> no
[10:44] <wfx> bonobo, syanptic kgill
[10:44] <vinic> thoreauputic: no
[10:45] <thoreauputic> vinic: not mounted?
[10:45] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic kgill
[10:45] <bonobo> kgill: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:45] <ogra> :)
[10:45] <kgill> great :)
[10:45] <wfx> ahh syn.. not san :)
[10:45] <vinic> thoreauputic: not when trying to log as user
[10:45] <Gwildor_> ogra, have to use : instead of , ???
[10:45] <Managu> Is bonobo a bot?  Oooh, I remember abusing dpkg and apt in #debian
[10:45] <vinic> thoreauputic: it mounts if I log as root
[10:45] <Scognito> ogra, what about of holding the old sed
[10:46] <thoreauputic> vinic: what errors are you getting?
[10:46] <ogra> Gwildor_: i dont think so....
[10:46] <Ruffian|JANE|> http://img58.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img58&image=Fluxshot.jpg
[10:46] <Gwildor_> Managu, yes bonobo is a bot
[10:46] <WebMaven> I was wondering why the applications menu doesn't have a 'Development' section.
[10:46] <vinic> thoreauputic: but if i close session then relog as boot, not mounted again
[10:46] <Gwildor_> bonobo, synaptic ogra
[10:46] <bonobo> ogra: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[10:46] <ogra> Gwildor_: just not mistype the query....
[10:46] <Gwildor_> ogra, , works, musta been a mistype
[10:46] <ogra> :)
[10:46] <vinic> thoreauputic: The Xsession cant reach ICEauthority file which is in /home/vincet
[10:46] <faux> WebMaven: it does, you just need some development apps :)
[10:46] <vinic> thoreauputic: because it is not mounted!
[10:47] <ogra> Scognito: you can try it.....
[10:47] <ogra> Scognito: seems the bug is a missing documentation file....
[10:47] <WebMaven> faux, I added boa-costructor, but no dev manu.
[10:47] <thoreauputic> vinic: so it doesn't show if you type  mount ?  (as user)
[10:47] <WebMaven> s/manu/menu
[10:48] <Scognito> someone told me to do:
[10:48] <Scognito> sudo cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[10:48] <vinic> thoreauputic: I cant reach a X session as user
[10:48] <Gwildor_> WebMaven, boa-constuctor may be one of the apps that don't make it to the menu automagically
[10:48] <faux> WebMaven: strange, perhaps a log out/log in fixes it
[10:48] <will_> a lot do that
[10:48] <vinic> thoreauputic: error then returns to log screen
[10:48] <WebMaven> OK, so waht would be an example of an app that *does*
[10:49] <WebMaven> ?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> vinic: have you tried deleting .ICEauthority ? (it will be regenerated)
[10:49] <faux> WebMaven: monodevelop
[10:49] <WebMaven> faux, bleh.
[10:49] <vinic> thoreauputic: no
[10:49] <WebMaven> any others?
[10:49] <kgill> hey what do you know it worked :)
[10:49] <vinic> thoreauputic: but as I said, I beleive it cant be reached because it is not mounted!
[10:49] <faux> WebMaven: anjuta
[10:49] <thoreauputic> vinic: you have kde apps, don't you?
[10:49] <ogra> Scognito: it depends, if the file is missing inside the package this wont help....but if its a removed file from the disk it would....
[10:49] <thoreauputic> vinic: k3b or something?
[10:50] <vinic> thoreauputic: I did install one
[10:50] <ogra> kgill: :)
[10:50] <vinic> thoreauputic: kppp i guess
[10:50] <thoreauputic> vinic: try deleting .ICEauthority then try again
[10:51] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok, cyl
[10:51] <vinic> ;)
[10:51] <WebMaven> faux, anything for Python?
[10:51] <thoreauputic> vinic: I've seen this happen with kde apps run as root
[10:51] <vinic> oooh
[10:52] <thoreauputic> vinic: .ICEauthority changes, and locks you out
[10:52] <thoreauputic> vinic: blowing it away can fix the problem
[10:52] <faux> WebMaven: i dont know :/
[10:52] <vinic> thoreauputic: I just changed its name, incase of....
[10:52] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok rebooting
[10:52] <ogra> vinic: and dont run any X apps as root ;)
[10:53] <vinic> ogra: why?
[10:53] <ogra> hmmm....
[10:53] <vinic> ogra: vulnerability?
[10:53] <ogra> look at your system....
[10:53] <dot> any idea where I can find a printer installation guide?
[10:53] <goonie> I've got a real newbie problem with repositories in synaptic... can I use a standard debian repository?
[10:53] <vinic> :)ok
[10:53] <thoreauputic> goonie: no
[10:53] <dot> searching at ubuntulinux.org got me: No results were found.
[10:53] <Gwildor_> goonie, you CAN, but you really shouldnt
[10:53] <wfx> ogra, and what is with synaptic :-)
[10:54] <goonie> ok... what if I wanted to set up a repository here in Iceland, what would it take?
[10:54] <Gwildor_> goonie, a mirror?
[10:54] <goonie> yeah
[10:54] <ogra> goonie: a public one ?
[10:55] <Gwildor_> ogra, help him please, I cannot
[10:55] <goonie> I can request a mirror from the same ones that are mirroring portage for gentoo and the standard debian repo
[10:55] <goonie> ftp.rhnet.is
[10:55] <ogra> wow
[10:56] <goonie> the ubuntu buzz is picking up here in Iceland you know.. lots of ppl trying it out and loving it I might add :)
[10:56] <vinic> :))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[10:56] <ogra> goonie: 98% of the debian packages are available as ubuntu versions.....if you find one missing, just ask at the mailing list to get it in
[10:57] <thoreauputic> vinic: sucess?
[10:57] <vinic> thoreauputic: GREAT succes!!
[10:57] <ogra> goonie: its growing daily .... worldwide :))
[10:57] <vinic> thoreauputic: Thank you so much!
[10:57] <thoreauputic> vinic: you see, .ICEauthority gets changed
[10:57] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok ok
[10:58] <goonie> the problem is that all usage of bandwith from other countries than Iceland costs a lot of money so every package cost some money... that's why we want it set up in Iceland
[10:58] <thoreauputic> vinic: it changes when you  run apps as a different user
[10:58] <ogra> goonie: go on..... :)
[10:58] <thoreauputic> vinic: you're welcome :) Glad it's working again!
[10:58] <vinic> thoreauputic: but that was so stranged when I logged as root, the /home wasnt mounted...
[10:59] <Gwildor_> goonie, basicaly, you want to set up a local mirror for all of iceland, to save money?
[10:59] <vinic> thoreauputic: but, anyway, I've get all my stuff back now! :D
[10:59] <goonie> so if I were to ask the ppl at rhnet to host a mirror... who should they contact?
[10:59] <Fator_Dee> does anybody know when firefox 1.0 comes to the ubuntu repositories?
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vinic: hmm... well make sure you don't try to run kppp as root - it should be run as user
[10:59] <thoreauputic> vinic: it's a permissions issue
[10:59] <ogra> goonie: there is a page on www.ubuntulinux.org ...... just diggin.....
[10:59] <Gwildor_> Fator_Dee, tis now
[11:00] <goonie> ok.. thx
[11:00] <vinic> thoreauputic: yeh, but i confused with tkpppoe
[11:00] <ogra> goonie: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/mirror
[11:00] <goonie> by the way.. just switched my laptop from gentoo to ubuntu and man am I loving it :)
[11:00] <Fator_Dee> Gwildor_: oh, didn't know that, silly me :-p
[11:00] <Gwildor_> ogra, ubuntu.com is ubuntu linux as well, now
[11:00] <vinic> thoreauputic: that needs to be runed as root to setup
[11:00] <wfx> goonie, both a sexy :-)
[11:01] <thoreauputic> vinic: anyway, now you know how to deal with the pesky .ICEauthority
[11:01] <ogra> Gwildor_: hasnt it always been ?
[11:01] <vinic> thoreauputic: yep! ;)
[11:01] <Gwildor_> Fator_Dee, tis ok
[11:01] <vinic> thoreauputic: did you see my trouble with my external HDD?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> vinic: this is one of the things about KDE that gives me nightmares
[11:01] <Gwildor_> ogra, no, it used to be something else, unless I am mistaking it for something else
[11:01] <vinic> thoreauputic: lol
[11:02] <thoreauputic> vinic: I don't know anything about external hard drives, sorry
[11:02] <vinic> thoreauputic: I come from Mandrake/KDE
[11:02] <ogra> goonie: :-)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> vinic: KDE is fine, but it causes problems when you do certain things like this
[11:03] <ogra> vinic: and its not officially supported in ubuntu
[11:03] <thoreauputic> vinic: I have it here, but I mostly run fluxbox
[11:04] <vinic> thoreauputic: at boot, my external HDD is mounted before it is recognized as device (i guess) so it is not mounted and I have to run mount -a after that
[11:04] <Gwildor_> well guys, work is OVER, hehe, ill talk to you guys later
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> min is just starting
[11:04] <HrdwrBoB> :(
[11:04] <Gwildor_> sorry bout that
[11:04] <ironwolf> what, if any is a good audio player that will play itunes music on Ubuntu?
[11:04] <ogra> funny....
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> ironwolf: what do you mean exactly
[11:05] <thoreauputic> vinic: you could try putting  a line that says  mount -a at the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:06] <Mabus> I just upgraded from debian sid -> ubuntu hoary without any problems! :)
[11:06] <vinic> thoreauputic: hmmm... interesting!
[11:06] <thoreauputic> vinic: that should run mount -a for you automatically
[11:06] <vinic> thoreauputic: i see
[11:06] <Mabus> I didn't install any of the ubuntu-* packages.
[11:06] <vinic> I'll try that
[11:06] <wfx> ironwolf, hase itune a diffenr audio format? -> for mp3 rhythmbox, muine, xmms, beep
[11:06] <vinic> thoreauputic: can I run Gedit as root???? ;)
[11:07] <scoon> vinic: what flavor file system is your /home ?
[11:07] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: I have itunes on my windows partition, I'd like to play them on Ubuntu.  These are files I purchased on the online music store.  Ideas?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> vinic: just do sudo gedit /path/to/file
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> ironwolf: ahhh
[11:07] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok ok
[11:07] <vinic> :)
[11:07] <HrdwrBoB> I'm fairly sure you can play them
[11:07] <wfx> ironwolf, is the fileformat mp3?
[11:07] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:07] <vinic> thoreauputic: I understood the lesson
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> tbh I'm not sure exactly how, if they are just mp3s, isntall gstreamer-mad
[11:08] <thoreauputic> vinic: heheh
[11:08] <HrdwrBoB> and it should play in totem
[11:08] <vinic> scoon : why you wanna know that?
[11:08] <scoon> vinic: well the round about ? really should be if you built your own kernel or not ?
[11:09] <scoon> vinic: when people do they often forget to compile their root filesystem into the kernel.
[11:09] <kgill> I know alsa stands for advanced linux sound arch. but what is Quicknet?
[11:09] <scoon> vinic: and that has unpredictable results.  maybe like your problem.
[11:09] <thoreauputic> scoon: his problem is solved
[11:09] <vinic> :)
[11:09] <vinic> happily
[11:09] <ogra> kgill: sonds like a marketing invention :)
[11:09] <thoreauputic> scoon: it was .ICEauthority
[11:09] <ironwolf> HrdwrBob: wfx: they are m4p files, not mp3.... Totem you say?
[11:09] <ogra> +u
[11:09] <kgill> :)
[11:09] <scoon> i think i am giving up today.  i want to help out but just can't
[11:09] <vinic> scoon: thank you anyway
[11:10] <wfx> m4p is acc right
[11:10] <crimsun> aac?
[11:10] <ceu> what is the real name of the font named "Sans" in gnome? I need that name for .gtkrc.mine
[11:11] <ogra> ceu: it think its: Bitstream Vera Sans
[11:11] <Keybuk> ceu: why?  you should just be able to put "Sans" in there too
[11:11] <ogra> but i may be wrong.....
[11:11] <wfx> cristian, MPEG-4/ACC-encoded
[11:11] <crimsun> wfx: AAC, not ACC.
[11:11] <thoreauputic> vinic: when you edit /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh , make sure you put mount -a right at the end on a separate line
[11:12] <vinic> thoreauputic: just before the "exit"
[11:12] <wfx> cristian, ok aac (typo is my hobby :-)
[11:12] <ironwolf> HrdwrBoB: wfx: totem doesn't play them. next?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> vinic: no, right at the end
[11:13] <thoreauputic> separately
[11:13] <seek187> Is sed still broken?
[11:13] <ceu> Keybuk: fontset="Sans 8" doesn't work, the font is too big
[11:13] <jmhodges> hey, could someone fix up the hoary-changes archive? the japanese developer keeps sending mail in a locale i dont have even though i have a utf-8 japanese one
[11:13] <vinic> thoreauputic: ok ok
[11:13] <ironwolf> seek187: apt-get install sed/warty
[11:14] <Keybuk> seek187: yes.
[11:14] <seek187> ok
[11:14] <ogra> ceu: so make it smaller
[11:14] <Keybuk> it only escaped from Debian incoming a few hours ago
[11:14] <ceu> Keybuk: fontset="-bitstream-bitstream vera sans-medium-r-normal-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" works, but the font is not anti-aliased
[11:14] <vinic> trying to reboot
[11:14] <Managu> ironwolf: iTunes music is DRM'd, iirc.  You won't likely be able to play it raw under linux.
[11:14] <Keybuk> ceu: why are you using fontsets with Pango?
[11:14] <Keybuk> font="Sans 8"
[11:14] <ogra> ceu: xmms is gtk1 you wont get any antialiasing there
[11:15] <ogra> ceu: take beep-media-player its xmms gtk2
[11:15] <ceu> ogra: ok. End of the problem :-)
[11:15] <ironwolf> Managu: ok, I was hoping there was a way.  Thanks.
[11:16] <Managu> ironwolf: well, I could always be wrong.
[11:17] <wfx> a bit ot: but how can i rip sound of a music dvd (original :-) to ogg?
[11:18] <joh_> thanks for the CDs! :)
[11:18] <vinic> thoreautupic: succesful again!
[11:18] <ogra> ironwolf: you could buy itunes for linux.....if it hurts too much to not having your music.....http://www.codeweavers.com/
[11:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: succesful again!
[11:19] <thoreauputic> vinic: yay!  :D
[11:19] <thoreauputic> vinic: heh... I'm having a good day ;-)
[11:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: You rock dude!
[11:19] <vinic> thoreauputic: well, can I bother you once more?
[11:19] <thoreauputic> shoot
[11:20] <vinic> :)
[11:20] <vinic> thoreauputic: well, at boot, again..., I got ERROR:FATAL.....
[11:21] <vinic> thoreauputic: it is about hotplug drivers
[11:21] <vinic> :D
[11:21] <thoreauputic> vinic: you can probably ignore it
[11:21] <vinic> thoreauputic: I guess... but...
[11:21] <vinic> :D
[11:21] <thoreauputic> vinic: if it ain't broke, don't fix it
[11:22] <vinic> thoreauputic: by the way, is there a readable log of the boot sequence?
[11:22] <thoreauputic> vinic: dmesg
[11:22] <vinic> thoreauputic: oh yeh
[11:22] <thoreauputic> just type dmesg | less
[11:22] <vinic> I forgot this one
[11:23] <vinic> :)
[11:23] <thoreauputic> ther's a lot of it ;)
[11:23] <vinic> well, you successed three times!!!
[11:23] <vinic> ;)
[11:23] <vinic> good job!
[11:23] <ogra> thoreauputic: yay !
[11:23] <thoreauputic> hotplug tends to complain about irrelevancies
[11:23] <vinic> lol
[11:24] <vinic> I've got a "random" ERROR thing too
[11:24] <ogra> thoreauputic: hotplug is right...the errormessage is just wrong.....expressed too confusing
[11:25] <ogra> thoreauputic: it should just say "no pci hotplug devices found"
[11:25] <thoreauputic> ogra: ah, OK :)
[11:25] <jcole> is there a way to apt-cache search through files on a repository server without actually installing the package?
[11:25] <ogra> wfx: know what a cheerleader is ?
[11:25] <dot> how can I get a file I need that's in an rpm?
[11:25] <wfx> ogra, yes
[11:25] <ogra> wfx: they got them in their hands ;)
[11:26] <jcole> dot: file-roler
[11:26] <Managu> dot: just a file, or do you need a software package from the rpm?
[11:26] <ogra> wfx: yu probably know them as: puschel
[11:26] <jcole> dot: file-roller
[11:26] <dot> I need a ppd from asn rpm
[11:26] <dot> *an
[11:26] <wfx> ogra, thx -> dict.leo.org dont know it :-)
[11:26] <wfx> ogra, no quastel :-) diff lang
[11:26] <ogra> hehe
[11:27] <vinic> how do you quit a something | less
[11:27] <vinic> ?
[11:27] <Managu> vinic: 'q'
[11:27] <vinic> ooh great
[11:27] <vinic> 1 point for you
[11:27] <vinic> ;)
[11:28] <Managu> I'll donate my point to thoreauputic
[11:28] <vinic> :D
[11:28] <ogra> hehe
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Managu: nah, no need... I have enough for the day ;)
[11:28] <vinic> he doesnt need! he's something like 73
[11:28] <vinic> :)
[11:28] <thoreauputic> :D
[11:28] <ermo> Should I look for a 'sed fixed in hoary' in /topic here or is there a more appropriate place to watch?
[11:29] <ogra> ermo: best place...
[11:29] <ermo> ack
[11:30] <goonie> I'm a bit confused.. the directions on ubuntulinux.com for setting up the ndiswrapper tool say that I must upgrade my kernel to linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 but I can't seem to find it in my repo..
[11:30] <vinic> Well, I have had enough debugging for today... Bye all have a nice day/night... Thank you thoreauputic! ;)
[11:30] <Managu> goonie: I just had that problem.  What kernel version are you running atm?
[11:30] <ogra> goonie: just install the ndiswrapper-utils
[11:31] <goonie> 2.6.8.1-16
[11:31] <ogra> goonie: the wiki page is from a prerelease time
[11:31] <goonie> ohh... ok
[11:31] <goonie> I'll give this a try thx
[11:31] <ogra> oh, its not even wiki.....
[11:33] <dot> where do I put the ppd file once, IF, I manage to find it?
[11:34] <ogra> dot: looked at linuxprinting.org for the file ?
[11:34] <ogra> dot: they have a ppd generator
[11:34] <pixelmonkey> I get this warning when running xpdf, and my fonts displaying PDFs using times fonts is horrible.  ANyone know why?  Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-times-medium-r-normal--16-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct
[11:36] <dot> linuxprinting.org can't find my printer
[11:37] <dot> Canon i560
[11:37] <Slackman> whats the status of hoary atm...is it stable enough to upgrade without much issues?
[11:37] <ogra> Slackman: see topic
[11:38] <crimsun> sed was just fixed today in Sid; expect Hoary to have the fix shortly.
[11:38] <ogra> Slackman: stops all upgrades currently
[11:38] <Slackman> ah fair enough
[11:38] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts might help ( it gives you the option to download an ms font set)
[11:38] <tolstoy> is there a solution for the sed thing on hoary yet?
[11:39] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: not sure, but it's worth a shot ( or look for the package in synaptic)
[11:39] <tolstoy> Ah. Subject.  Guess not.
[11:39] <Managu> Anyone in here mess with MythTV on Ubuntu?
[11:39] <crimsun> 17:38 < crimsun> sed was just fixed today in Sid; expect Hoary to have the fix shortly.
[11:40] <tolstoy> do I have to apt-get install sed or somehow force a re-install?
[11:40] <usual> no
[11:40] <crimsun> no, update in a few hours using Synaptic/aptitude/apt-get
[11:40] <usual> sudo  cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[11:40] <tolstoy> so when it's fixed, a standard apt-get will work, and that's how I'll know, right?  Okay.
[11:40] <usual> sudo  cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[11:40] <usual> sudo  cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz
[11:40] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, Yea, I thought that might be it, I tried it already
[11:40] <usual> fixes sed
[11:41] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, but no go
[11:41] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, it may actually be that that warning means nothing and xpdf is actually just bad at rendering certain docs
[11:41] <ogra> usual: the package ?
[11:41] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, gnome-gv renders the document fine
[11:41] <usual> ogra, the borked sid package
[11:41] <usual> ogra, that sommand fixes it
[11:41] <usual> command
[11:41] <ogra> usual: how do you fix a package by copying something on the filesys ?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: hmm - interesting that gv is better
[11:42] <gen> lol
[11:42] <usual> ogra, it fixes the issue the package is having
[11:42] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, can you try the document on your xpdf and tell me if it looks like a screenshot I'll send you
[11:42] <ogra> usual: prooved this ?
[11:42] <usual> ogra, join #debian see tpoic
[11:42] <ogra> usual: i already read it elsewhere....
[11:42] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: OK if it's not too big (dialup here)
[11:42] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, http://www.scs.cs.nyu.edu/aos/sched/readings/deviant.pdf <-- that's the pdf
[11:43] <usual> ogra, I'm confused,if you already read it why are you asking me about it
[11:43] <thoreauputic> OK
[11:43] <ogra> usual: just wanted to know if someone has done it succsessfull already befoer i spread such words
[11:43] <ogra> before
[11:43] <usual> ogra, oh
[11:43] <usual> ogra, yes I did it
[11:43] <usual> ogra, so did m00se and some others
[11:44] <ogra> usual: ah, great :)
[11:44] <usual> ogra, or use a package from incoming
[11:44] <usual> ogra, the command i pasted is the easier way I think
[11:44] <ogra> usual: it is...but i dont understand why people just cant wait some hours....
[11:44] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: well it's readable in xpdf ( not brilliant though)
[11:45] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: I'll try it in gpdf
[11:45] <usual> ogra, well, if bothered me that it was holding apt up
[11:45] <usual> ogra, so I just did the little fix
[11:45] <pixelmonkey> well, I did it in gnome-gv, not gpdf... gpdf crashes a lot
[11:45] <ogra> usual: so i wait until tomorrow .... hehe
[11:45] <usual> k
[11:45] <pixelmonkey> I think it actually has to do with scaling.  I think xpdf sucks at scaling
[11:47] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: much better in ggv
[11:47] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, take a look at this screenie: www.pixelmonkey.org/pub/xpdf.png
[11:47] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, yea, I think it's actually an xpdf issue
[11:47] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: OK
[11:47] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: looks like it
[11:47] <pixelmonkey> yea so behind you can see xpdf rendering horribly
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> and gnome-gv is in front
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> thing is, if you zoom in to something like 400% in xpdf, the fonts are fine
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> so I think it's in the scaling
[11:48] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: heh The image ?http://www.pixelmonkey.org/pub/xpdf.png? cannot be displayed, because it contains errors.
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> errors?  I took it with the gnome screenshot tool..
[11:48] <Lnx|Lapp> I need some help!! Have anyone here tried running FAI for ubuntu?
[11:48] <pixelmonkey> oh hmm I think it's that old nautilus bug ;)  I used nautilus to ftp it
[11:48] <Managu> What's FAI?
[11:49] <Lnx|Lapp> Fully automatical Install
[11:49] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: tried the url again, same error
[11:49] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: I'll try another browser
[11:49] <pixelmonkey> no hold on
[11:49] <Lnx|Lapp> Thomas Lange made an package for Debian.. but as an schoolproject I want to make a version for Ubuntu
[11:49] <Managu> Lnx|Lapp: hrmm, not heard of it.  Not going fully automatically?
[11:50] <Lnx|Lapp> Managu: I'm having problem with the FAI kernel to function with Ubuntu.., :(
[11:50] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, heh, how ridiculous... I think nautilus has a bug, or gnome-vfs at least, where binary FTP uploads fail
[11:51] <nyqo> good day all, has anyone tried updating under hoary today and recieved a problem with "sed"?
[11:51] <crimsun> /topic
[11:51] <Managu> nyqo: topic ;-p
[11:51] <pixelmonkey> thoreauputic, anyway, if you try the link again it should work
[11:51] <Managu> Lnx|Lapp, so why not adapt FAI to use Ubuntu's kernel?
[11:51] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: OK looking
[11:52] <nyqo> managu or crimsun.... first time here, what do you mean topic?
[11:52] <choulth> check topic of this chan nyqo
[11:52] <Managu> nyqo: In the topic for the channel: "Yes, sed is broken in Hoary, it'll be fixed soon . . ."
[11:52] <Lnx|Lapp> Managu: Thats what I'm doing.. and thats where the trouble starts.  get this error: No rule to make target `init/main.o', needed by `init/built-in.o'
[11:52] <Lnx|Lapp> when trying to compile a new kernel for fai
[11:53] <nyqo> lol... my bad, sorry
[11:53] <Lnx|Lapp> I can't figure this one out...
[11:53] <choulth> np nyqo :)
[11:53] <Managu> nyqo: np... just gets a short response ;)
[11:53] <ogra> Lnx|Lapp: look at the mailinglist archives, there is a long thread about fai
[11:53] <nyqo> very good, proves again that you guys are fast  ;)
[11:54] <Lnx|Lapp> ogra: Thank you very much!!! :D
[11:54] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: erm - I prefer the crisper xpdf rendition i that shot - I don't see the problem really
[11:54] <ogra> Lnx|Lapp: in Sep or Oct
[11:57] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: looks *better* in your xpdf than in mine, actually
[11:58] <fissy> anyone know what to do about these errors in /var/log/samba/smbd.log? [2004/11/17 22:58:17, 1]  auth/auth_util.c:make_server_info_sam(822)
[11:58] <fissy>   User guest in passdb, but getpwnam() fails!