| infinity | I'd rather see a "patch to make Replaces work the way it intuitively should" before anything dealing with :"teaching people what Conflicts means". :) | 12:01 |
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| infinity | (ie: if I install B, then A, and B replaces A, the file overlaps should select the file from B, not A) | 12:02 |
| seb128 | if B replaces A and you install B first and the A you get a file conflict | 12:03 |
| Keybuk | I think what infinity is trying to describe is the fact that dpkg doesn't back-depend | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | A depends B > 2.0 | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | install A and B 2.0 | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | install B 1.0 | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | works | 12:04 |
| seb128 | hum ? no, doesn't work | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | sure it does | 12:04 |
| Keybuk | try it :p | 12:05 |
| lamont_r | seb128: mind you, it _shouldn't_... | 12:05 |
| seb128 | I mean with apt it doesn't work :) | 12:05 |
| seb128 | I've not tried with dpkg, but I believe you :p | 12:05 |
| Keybuk | dunno about APT, that's mdz's toy | 12:05 |
| Keybuk | but dpkg will let you do that | 12:05 |
| Keybuk | because it only considers the dependencies of the packages you've given it to process | 12:06 |
| infinity | Keybuk : No, I'm talking actual replaces. | 12:06 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't go through the system and check that previously-installed packages' dependencies aren't broken | 12:06 |
| Keybuk | infinity: it's the same bug | 12:06 |
| Keybuk | when you install A, it doesn't go through the system to see if anything Replaces it. | 12:06 |
| infinity | Ahh, yeah. | 12:06 |
| infinity | Same bug probably, then. :) | 12:06 |
| shaya | Keybuk: so you're saying dpkg needs apt's dependency handeling logic | 12:07 |
| Keybuk | shaya: no idea whether apt's works or not | 12:07 |
| infinity | I first noticed it when I used to run Woody systems with the "dselect" package installed from an old sid snapshot. | 12:07 |
| infinity | If you reinstalled dpkg.deb, it would overwrite /usr/bin/dselect, despite 'dselect' replacing 'dpkg'. | 12:08 |
| Keybuk | yup | 12:08 |
| infinity | (Which was irritating, because the newer dselect sucked a lot less) | 12:08 |
| seb128 | BTW time to sleep | 12:09 |
| seb128 | 'night everybody | 12:09 |
| Keybuk | nite dude | 12:09 |
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| shaya | sleep? | 12:10 |
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| Keybuk | France. | 12:10 |
| shaya | 5 hours ahead? | 12:10 |
| shaya | or 6? | 12:10 |
| Keybuk | 1 hour ahead | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | UTC+1, so it's 00:10 here now. | 12:11 |
| sjoerd | it's 0:11 over here (and in france too) | 12:11 |
| shaya | Keybuk: I'm an imperialistic washington, DC native, so hence 6 hours ahead (as DC is the center of the world, or so they brainw, I mean taught us as kids) | 12:13 |
| Keybuk | with such geography, it's amazing the Merkins get *anywhere* | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | shaya: giving relative time references based on anything else than UTC gives people headaches. :) | 12:14 |
| shaya | Mithrandir: but they taught us that EST was the real universal time :) | 12:14 |
| Keybuk | the Earth is a *spheroid* ... the centre is roughly the same distance from everywhere in a downward direction | 12:14 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: give or take a few clicks, yes. :) | 12:15 |
| Keybuk | you can only be "the centre of the world" if you're in a notably crackful, but rather fun, blockbuster of a few years ago | 12:15 |
| shaya | Keybuk: do you put it pass GWB to try and get there just to say it? | 12:16 |
| shaya | hmm, just noticed, those initials are also used for the George Washington Bridge | 12:16 |
| shaya | maybe that's where he was conceived :) | 12:16 |
| Keybuk | "My fellow Umbrella-stands. I have decidified to embark on a great and dangerous journey to the centrofold of the Earth." | 12:16 |
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| gicmo | 'evening | 01:35 |
| jdub | yo gicmo | 01:36 |
| jdub | sladen: around? | 01:37 |
| === gicmo is closely reading https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash | ||
| jdub | gicmo: when sladen is around, we should ask him where it's at :) | 01:41 |
| Keybuk | jdub: he's awake | 01:41 |
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| jdub | you can't put parameters in /etc/modules, can you? | 01:43 |
| Keybuk | no | 01:43 |
| jdub | that's a bummer | 01:43 |
| Keybuk | actually, I like | 01:43 |
| Keybuk | I lie too | 01:43 |
| Keybuk | you can | 01:43 |
| jdub | oh! | 01:43 |
| jdub | ide-cd dma=1 | 01:44 |
| jdub | :) | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | echo "options ide-cd dma=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/ide-cd | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | would be more "robust", as it'd also ensure that option happened if hotplug or jdub loads it | 01:45 |
| jdub | ahr | 01:45 |
| sladen | gicmo: evening | 01:51 |
| gicmo | sladen, it's almost 2pm here so morning would be better ;) | 01:53 |
| gicmo | sladen, I definitly wanna help out with the graphical boot stuff (I just switched over from fedora and I really miss it) :) | 01:53 |
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| sladen | gicmo: your welcome to help and join in (we'd like your ideas too) | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | jdub: I wish there were a way of having separate volumes | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | so rather than all this "PCM" nonsense, you just set the volume for gaim, the volume for rhythmbox | 01:56 |
| gicmo | btw .. I took me 3 hours to get acpi up and running here .. :( | 01:56 |
| Keybuk | then you can have loud music, without BRING!(*"($*!"&*$!&$*(!"$_$ every time you get a message <g> | 01:56 |
| sladen | gicmo: there was some code written at the last conference, which I promised I'd package up for the #debsplash guys | 01:57 |
| gicmo | sladen, ahh some code is always a good starting point ;) | 01:58 |
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| gicmo | Ok, blog updated .. | 02:33 |
| gicmo | checking mail and then to bed .. damn its 2.30 am already .. | 02:33 |
| gicmo | 'nigh | 02:41 |
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| lamont3 | daniels/fabbione around? | 02:55 |
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| lamont3 | bbiab | 02:56 |
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| shaya | interesthing thing I've noticed. If you do set a root password, many things that ask you for a root password don't take it, but want your user password (ala sudo) | 04:37 |
| shaya | i know why you do sudo, but it seems once a root password is set all those things are buggy, as they do ask for the root password | 04:37 |
| shaya | for example, run aptitude as a regular user, it asks for the "root" password | 04:38 |
| jdub | that's unrelated to whether you have a root password set or not | 04:40 |
| jdub | we just didn't bother fixing it to use sudo | 04:41 |
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| tseng | lo jdub | 04:51 |
| jdub | morning tseng | 04:53 |
| shaya | jdub: confused? | 05:01 |
| shaya | aptitude does use sudo | 05:01 |
| shaya | but it asks for root password | 05:01 |
| shaya | so root password doesnt work | 05:01 |
| shaya | need to use user password | 05:01 |
| jdub | sounds like it wasn't a fully fixed bug, then | 05:05 |
| shaya | so it's something I should file? | 05:07 |
| shaya | there was a bug filed and closed | 05:11 |
| shaya | reopened it | 05:11 |
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| hornbeck | jdub: you around? | 06:01 |
| jdub | yeah | 06:01 |
| hornbeck | the Ubuntu in a Nutshell | 06:01 |
| hornbeck | what are you looking for in it | 06:02 |
| jdub | ah | 06:02 |
| jdub | long discussion | 06:02 |
| jdub | i'll mail ubuntu-doc or you or something | 06:02 |
| hornbeck | ok, have you seen our book outline? | 06:02 |
| jdub | bits, haven't investigated a lot | 06:02 |
| jdub | seems different to the nutshell goals | 06:02 |
| hornbeck | right, if you could mail me what you are looking for | 06:03 |
| hornbeck | hornbeck at freeshell dot org | 06:03 |
| hornbeck | thanks | 06:03 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 08:32 |
| pitti | Hi fabbione! | 08:34 |
| sladen | hornbeck: 'what is sudo', 'why did they rename kernel-sources', 'I heard mp3 ain't legal, where do I get my warez?' | 08:41 |
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| sjoerd | morning | 09:24 |
| sjoerd | pitti: could you check the new device-removable.sh script to see if i haven't done anything stupid | 09:24 |
| pitti | Hi sjoerd | 09:25 |
| pitti | yes, I can | 09:25 |
| pitti | From a quick glance it seems that you do something similar as pmount | 09:25 |
| pitti | sjoerd: do you have the file at hand somewhere? | 09:25 |
| sjoerd | no svn checkout ? | 09:25 |
| pitti | sjoerd: svn checkout lasts so long... | 09:26 |
| pitti | sjoerd: okay, I'll check it out | 09:26 |
| sjoerd | :) | 09:26 |
| sjoerd | alioth is somewhat overloaded it seems.... | 09:27 |
| pitti | sjoerd: debian/patches looks nice again :-) | 09:27 |
| pitti | sjoerd: and I suppose with your merges the Ubuntu version shouldn't look much worse | 09:27 |
| sjoerd | you mean in gvm ? there were no changes in hal's debian/patches | 09:28 |
| pitti | no, I actually meant hal | 09:31 |
| pitti | Ubuntu's debian/patches in hal is pretty crowded now | 09:31 |
| sjoerd | ah right | 09:31 |
| pitti | I looked at the script, but it is too complex for me to be able to say yes or no after two minutes :-) | 09:31 |
| sjoerd | you have somewhat more time | 09:32 |
| pitti | I will scrutinize it more thoroughly after I fixed samba | 09:32 |
| sjoerd | k | 09:32 |
| sjoerd | just want to be sure that stupid things are out of it before i sent it to md | 09:32 |
| sjoerd | my shell programming skills suck | 09:32 |
| pitti | btw, do you publish the orig.tar.gz tarballs somewhere? | 09:33 |
| pitti | for PostgreSQL I just put them into the top repository directory | 09:33 |
| sjoerd | pitti: why did you put ubuntu-storage-policy.fdi in /etc instead patching the one in /usr/share | 09:33 |
| sjoerd | without tarball.mk it's just the upstream tarball | 09:34 |
| pitti | sjoerd: because I want the users actually be able to customize it | 09:34 |
| pitti | sjoerd: changes in /usr/share are lost on next upgrade | 09:34 |
| sjoerd | ok, but the can always put something like this in /etc | 09:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: and I think it is nicer to give users something to change, instead of urging them to write a conffile from scratch | 09:35 |
| sjoerd | so it's more an example | 09:35 |
| sjoerd | k, good point | 09:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: hmm, I don't insist on my solution | 09:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: if you want to adopt the change for Debian as well, I don't need the etc file any more | 09:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: if you want to keep 2GB, fine for m | 09:35 |
| pitti | me | 09:35 |
| sjoerd | i was gonna put an example in /etc anyway, to show how people can indicate that gvm shouldn't automount certain drives | 09:36 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but at least you need the patch to set correct values for the flags | 09:36 |
| sjoerd | yeah | 09:37 |
| sjoerd | didn't check the differences yet (except for the 1gb and 2gb difference) | 09:37 |
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| pitti | sjoerd: the key difference is that the original fdi only sets sync to true if < 2 GB | 09:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but that is pmount's default anyway; you need to set sync to false explicitly | 09:38 |
| pitti | sjoerd: same for noatime | 09:38 |
| sjoerd | ah | 09:39 |
| sjoerd | i can patch the system fdi for the rigth flags.. and also put this commented out in a preferences.fdi | 09:40 |
| sjoerd | just to show how to easily do it | 09:40 |
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| sjoerd | i was planning to do that for the automount hint anyway | 09:40 |
| pitti | sjoerd: this would be nice | 09:40 |
| pitti | sjoerd: then I could revert the Ubuntu patch | 09:41 |
| sjoerd | yeah and we can still change the default easily, as it's in /usr/share | 09:41 |
| sjoerd | oh cool.. kay send a patch to let udev handle all the hotplug stuff | 09:42 |
| pitti | sjoerd: i. e. the unmounting? | 09:51 |
| sjoerd | uhm no, what /sbin/hotplug now does.. but then done by udev | 09:52 |
| sjoerd | which gives you better serialisation among other things | 09:52 |
| pitti | sjoerd: oh, everything? Including module loading, file parsing etc. | 09:52 |
| pitti | sjoerd: hmm, this essentially means to merge the udev and hotplug sources, I suppose | 09:53 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but it certainly looks nicer to have one less item in the chain | 09:53 |
| sjoerd | udev did already the same thing for the most part | 09:53 |
| pitti | sjoerd: udev did not load modules AFAIK | 09:53 |
| pitti | however, sounds nice | 09:54 |
| pitti | I hope that all the upstream and Debian maintainers agree on this | 09:54 |
| sjoerd | should fix some races here and there | 09:55 |
| sjoerd | dunno, it makes more sense that way.. so i think it's hard for the debian people not to agree | 09:56 |
| pitti | from the technical perspective they surely agree, but the hotplug maintainer will lose his baby... :-) | 10:01 |
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| pitti | Hi daniels | 10:11 |
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| daniels | pitti: morning | 10:21 |
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| pitti | Hey, I just became "uncle"! :-)) | 10:30 |
| pitti | My sister got a little daughter | 10:30 |
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| sjoerd | congratulations | 10:31 |
| lulu | pitti:that's awesome :o) | 10:31 |
| pitti | lulu: Yeah! Unfortunately my sister lives 700 km away, so it will take a while until I actually see her | 10:32 |
| lulu | pitti: have to live with digital pics via email :o( | 10:32 |
| fabbione | daniels: 3614 <- | 10:35 |
| Kamion | morning folks | 10:36 |
| fabbione | hey Kamion | 10:36 |
| pitti | Hi Kamion | 10:36 |
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| pitti | mvo__: growing tails? :-)) | 10:40 |
| mvo__ | tsss :) | 10:42 |
| daniels | fabbione: got it, thanks | 10:45 |
| fabbione | daniels: what about uploading xorg? ;) | 10:50 |
| fabbione | my sparc already hates you :P | 10:50 |
| daniels | heh | 10:51 |
| daniels | so just put it in not-for-us for the time being | 10:51 |
| daniels | but yeah, I'll do xorg this morning | 10:51 |
| fabbione | nah that's ok.. it needs to build xfree86 first | 10:51 |
| fabbione | i forgot to tell sbuild to not die for inactivity | 10:51 |
| fabbione | and it killed the build right in the middle of it | 10:51 |
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| daniels | heh! whoops | 10:55 |
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| daniels | fabbione: i'm going to go with a full (security + your crack) upload | 11:17 |
| fabbione | daniels: ok | 11:17 |
| fabbione | if mdz will say something i will take that responsability | 11:17 |
| daniels | simply because I've been busy enough with triage, other distro stuff, taking tuesday off, etc, that I haven't had time to properly finish all of my stuff | 11:17 |
| daniels | cool | 11:17 |
| fabbione | but you will take the responsability for the broken crap | 11:17 |
| Kamion | 10:17 < fabbione> if mdz will say something i will take that responsability | 11:18 |
| Kamion | say something about what? | 11:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: mixing a security upload to hoary, together with other bug fixes | 11:19 |
| daniels | (enter Kamion!) | 11:19 |
| Kamion | for hoary I shouldn't think there'd be a problem with that | 11:19 |
| daniels | Kamion: uploading 6.8.1-1ubuntu3 with libxpm fix + other random stuff | 11:19 |
| daniels | ok, cool | 11:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: exactly my idea | 11:19 |
| daniels | ounds ill | 11:19 |
| Kamion | ? | 11:20 |
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| fabbione | also because i don't see any point in pushing foo 1.0-2 with the security and 10 minutes later -3 with all the other crack | 11:20 |
| Kamion | quite so | 11:20 |
| daniels | Kamion: 'sounds ill' -> 'delightful! my people shall make it so' | 11:21 |
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| pitti | Hi seb128! | 11:21 |
| Kamion | daniels: thanks for the British translation ;-) | 11:22 |
| seb128 | hey | 11:22 |
| daniels | Kamion: i'm here to help, dude | 11:22 |
| daniels | Kamion: but after hearing some British music, I'm unsure about my translations | 11:22 |
| rburton | haha | 11:23 |
| daniels | 'dude am I ever pissed off' -> 'GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, WAPPERS DO' might be more appropriate, it seems :P | 11:23 |
| Kamion | (sed's fixed now, right?) | 11:23 |
| Kamion | wappers? | 11:23 |
| === azeem never understood that word in the song | ||
| daniels | Kamion: goldie lookin chain | 11:24 |
| daniels | Kamion: keybuk's not subjected you to that? | 11:24 |
| Kamion | nope | 11:24 |
| rburton | oh he doesn't have it does he? | 11:24 |
| daniels | Kamion: the origin of WOO WOO SUMMON THE POLICE | 11:24 |
| daniels | Kamion: sort of welsh/northern rap | 11:25 |
| azeem | summon? | 11:25 |
| Kamion | daniels: terrifying | 11:25 |
| daniels | azeem: when you summon someone, you get them | 11:25 |
| daniels | Kamion: but hillariously funny :) | 11:25 |
| azeem | ok, but KRS-1 had that as 'sound of da police', no? | 11:25 |
| rburton | daniels: have you heard "guns don't kill people, wabbits do" by elma fudd | 11:25 |
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| daniels | rburton: no, but I've heard Kinnison mumbling it :) | 11:26 |
| daniels | azeem: dunno, don't listen to much krs stuff | 11:26 |
| daniels | but anyway, we're *desperately* offtopic here | 11:26 |
| rburton | bah | 11:27 |
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| Kamion | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 11:34 |
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| Kamion | trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib64', which is also in package xorg-driver-synaptics | 11:34 |
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| daniels | Kamion: /usr/X11R6/lib64?!? | 11:36 |
| Kamion | daniels: can you just install stuff in /usr/X11R6/lib/ please? | 11:36 |
| Kamion | daniels: base-files installs a symlink, you install a directory ... | 11:36 |
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| Kamion | probably didn't break until base-files got upgraded | 11:36 |
| daniels | Kamion: unintentional, I assure you | 11:37 |
| Kamion | np | 11:37 |
| Kamion | just broke my upgrade, that's all :) | 11:37 |
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| azeem | woo! woo! | 11:40 |
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| _rene_ | pitti: ping | 11:41 |
| pitti | _rene_: pong | 11:42 |
| pitti | _rene_: Hi, how are you? | 11:42 |
| _rene_ | pitti: you may be interested in contribution to the current discussion of debian-openoffice wrt tasksel / OOo's l10n pkgs | 11:42 |
| _rene_ | pitti: the depends _is_ needed. I outlined why | 11:42 |
| _rene_ | pitti: maybe we could do it a conflicts to the older version | 11:42 |
| _rene_ | pitti: fine, thanks | 11:42 |
| _rene_ | s/do/make/ | 11:42 |
| pitti | _rene_: I did this conflicts to older/newer versions in the mozilla locale packages, works fine | 11:43 |
| _rene_ | args, the reassigning failed | 11:43 |
| _rene_ | so it's not on -openoffice yet ;-) | 11:43 |
| pitti | _rene_: is this possible in the template? | 11:43 |
| _rene_ | er, blah | 11:44 |
| _rene_ | I need coffe | 11:44 |
| _rene_ | it is on -openoffice | 11:44 |
| pitti | Enjoy it :-) | 11:44 |
| _rene_ | pitti: we could do in control.lang.in, yes | 11:44 |
| pitti | _rene_: this would be nice | 11:44 |
| pitti | _rene_: conflicting to older and newer versions should basically do the same as a Depends to a particular version | 11:45 |
| pitti | _rene_: are there any other difficulties apart from mixed versions? | 11:45 |
| _rene_ | not that I know of | 11:45 |
| _rene_ | one of the majjor problems is when you want -y | 11:46 |
| _rene_ | wou *need* 1.1.3 oo.o and oo.o-bin | 11:46 |
| _rene_ | erm | 11:46 |
| _rene_ | 1.1.2 | 11:46 |
| _rene_ | since only there the definitiions needed are added | 11:46 |
| _rene_ | but otherwise I see no problems except them not being removed when wanting to remove openoffice.org ;-) | 11:46 |
| rburton | ooh, http://www.klika.si/ziga/bootchart/bootchart-rhgbfix.png is sweet | 11:49 |
| pitti | _rene_: if you remove the language pack as well, it will be removed | 11:50 |
| pitti | _rene_: this is exactly what we want | 11:50 |
| _rene_ | yes, but I currently am thinking only about tasksel and sarge ;-) | 11:51 |
| daniels | Kamion: new xorg-driver-synaptics in my upload queue in chinstrap | 11:51 |
| _rene_ | as I said I am no ubuntu dev, but as you would profit from that Conflicts: sttuff too I tell you ;-) | 11:53 |
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| daniels | _rene_: it's just the same as work | 11:55 |
| daniels | _rene_: when my job hacking on X fired up, I had no time for Debian | 11:55 |
| daniels | _rene_: if you need to work long hours in a supermarket, or at a bakery, you don't always have time for Debian | 11:55 |
| daniels | _rene_: seriously, people are only noticing more because it's another free software project | 11:56 |
| _rene_ | ah, and why don't we still have all testing-security stuff complete? when elmo now has time to do Debian stuff? (elmo: nothing personal) | 11:56 |
| pitti | _rene_: In fact I'm now able to put more work to Debian as before | 11:56 |
| azeem | _rene_: this is off-topic here, really | 11:56 |
| _rene_ | daniels started it, I just tought | 11:57 |
| elmo | _rene_: don't be ridiculous, of course it's pesonal. you're pretending like I'm the only person in the world who can fix testing-security which blatently isn't true. | 12:02 |
| _rene_ | elmo: no. just that you and ryan can do that | 12:02 |
| _rene_ | elmo: as far as I know | 12:03 |
| elmo | _rene_: bzzt | 12:03 |
| elmo | and Ryan (and two of the three others) don't work for Canonical\ | 12:03 |
| daniels | elmo: have I got half an hour on concordia? | 12:04 |
| _rene_ | anyway, this really wasn't meant personal | 12:04 |
| seb128 | elmo: python-gtk2 sync please | 12:04 |
| _rene_ | this was just an example where an important person looks like he doesn't have time to do this | 12:04 |
| smurfix | _rene_: it's still off-topic. | 12:04 |
| elmo | _rene_: dude, if you make it personal, it doesn't matter how many times you say "it's not personal" | 12:05 |
| _rene_ | yes | 12:05 |
| _rene_ | smurfix: but since daniels and elmo responded... | 12:05 |
| elmo | if you want to make it not personal, stop talking about me when it's not actually all on me | 12:05 |
| _rene_ | elmo: 't insult you personally | 12:05 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 12:06 |
| seb128 | thanks :) | 12:06 |
| _rene_ | elmo: Itf it wold be personally I would have somethking like "James Troup doesn't do ...." | 12:06 |
| smurfix | _rene_: doesn't change the fact that it isn't. Now please take it elsewhere. | 12:06 |
| fabbione | elmo: please sync apache 1.3.33-2 from sid | 12:06 |
| _rene_ | I would call it misunderstanding | 12:06 |
| elmo | daniels: dude, don't even ask - it's a port box, as long as it's work related, do what you want | 12:06 |
| elmo | if I need the machine exclusively, you wouldn't even be able to login ;-) | 12:06 |
| daniels | elmo: heh :) ok, cheers | 12:07 |
| _rene_ | smurfix: I am in here to coordinate OOo stuff. | 12:07 |
| _rene_ | smurfix: when daniels and elmo respond I think I should be able to re-respond | 12:08 |
| elmo | fabbione: you don't have to ask me to sync stuff without 'ubuntu' in the version in hoary - it'll sync as soon as it reaches a mirror | 12:08 |
| _rene_ | anyway, this now seems to have settled down | 12:08 |
| fabbione | elmo: oh ok.. | 12:08 |
| mvo__ | elmo: how often (~changes/day) does the Packages file change currently in warty/hoary? | 12:10 |
| _rene_ | hi mvo__ | 12:11 |
| elmo | mvo: hard to tell at the moment - due to ia64 uploading packages 24/7 | 12:11 |
| mvo__ | hi _rene_ | 12:11 |
| elmo | mvo: but in theory, up to every 30 mins | 12:11 |
| mvo__ | elmo: arggggss, that's a lot. how often in debian? how often (roughtly) in warty? | 12:12 |
| elmo | mvo: debian is once a day | 12:12 |
| elmo | warty, I dunno, it's no 48, but it's a lot, I'd WAG at 20+ | 12:13 |
| elmo | err, not warty, hoary | 12:13 |
| elmo | warty is like, never, except for the odd warty-security update and the incredibly rare warty-updates update | 12:13 |
| mvo__ | all right, thanks. I'm still toying with the Packages.gz diff idea | 12:14 |
| elmo | mvo__: you could just ignore our insane update speed for that - we probably won't be able to sustain it forever | 12:14 |
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| fabbione | elmo: why not? | 12:15 |
| mvo__ | :) it would be cool for ubuntu/stable and debian then | 12:15 |
| elmo | fabbione: more arches, bigger archives, more distributions, etc. | 12:16 |
| elmo | and it encourages mirrors/users to sync more often, which hurts the master etc. | 12:16 |
| fabbione | elmo: how far are we from the limit? | 12:16 |
| fabbione | (of the 30 minutes) | 12:16 |
| elmo | fabbione: quite away at the moment - don't worry, it's not changing in the next month or anything | 12:17 |
| elmo | I'm just saying, it's not something I think we should guarantee we'll do indefinitely | 12:17 |
| fabbione | elmo: i understand.. | 12:18 |
| fabbione | also switching from 30 minutes to 2 hours would be more than sane imho | 12:18 |
| Kamion | daniels: thanks | 12:19 |
| fabbione | seb128: you around? | 12:23 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:23 |
| seb128 | why ? | 12:23 |
| fabbione | seb128: just one simple question.. is the default gdm config always shipped by the package or is it generated? | 12:23 |
| seb128 | what do you mean by "generated" ? like debconf questions to create it ? | 12:24 |
| seb128 | no, that's shipped by the package | 12:24 |
| Kamion | generated => maintainer script presumably | 12:24 |
| fabbione | ok | 12:25 |
| fabbione | thanks | 12:25 |
| seb128 | np | 12:25 |
| Kamion | fabbione: 2 hours> the current interval is absolutely fantastic when you're trying to get something fixed in a hurry, as I often have to do | 12:25 |
| seb128 | you would like to make some changes ? | 12:25 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i fully agree with the current interval, but if we will reach the limit we will need to go one step higher.. to let say one hour.... | 12:28 |
| fabbione | but i think we can easily live with 2 hours + manual elmo's black magic if the s**t hit the fan | 12:28 |
| azeem | btw, you guys do source-only uploads, right? | 12:29 |
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| fabbione | azeem: yes | 12:29 |
| azeem | all the time? | 12:29 |
| fabbione | yes | 12:29 |
| azeem | thanks | 12:29 |
| fabbione | azeem: still this doesn't exclude that you need to check your package before uploading | 12:29 |
| fabbione | and bla bla bla... | 12:29 |
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| fabbione | seb128: no thanks.. there is no need to modify anything | 12:31 |
| fabbione | seb128: i would be more glad if you will tell me in advance when there will be changes (if any) | 12:31 |
| azeem | fabbione: heh, sure | 12:32 |
| azeem | it should apply cleanly, at least ;) | 12:32 |
| seb128 | fabbione: ok | 12:32 |
| fabbione | azeem: lol | 12:32 |
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| pitti | carlos: Hi! | 12:49 |
| carlos | pitti: morning! | 12:49 |
| pitti | carlos: morning is good - it's lunchtime | 12:49 |
| carlos | pitti: I just wake up :-P | 12:50 |
| carlos | so, it's morning here | 12:50 |
| carlos | ;-) | 12:50 |
| seb128 | hey carlos | 12:50 |
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| carlos | seb128: dude, you should confirm your flight to matar or I will be alone in the hotel :-) | 12:54 |
| seb128 | oups, sorry, I've forgotten the jabber window on a desktop the other day | 12:55 |
| seb128 | and noticed some hours after that | 12:55 |
| seb128 | I've confirmed it, just not updated the wiki | 12:55 |
| carlos | ;-) | 12:56 |
| robtaylor | carlos: hey :) | 12:57 |
| carlos | robtaylor: hey! | 12:57 |
| robtaylor | carlos: i'll be coming to mataro :) paid for my my work :) | 12:57 |
| carlos | robtaylor: cool! | 12:58 |
| carlos | robtaylor: which days? | 12:58 |
| robtaylor | carlos: 9th till the 13th i think | 12:58 |
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| robtaylor | carlos: yep, land in barcelona 16:35 on thursday, and leave 22:70 on monday | 12:59 |
| robtaylor | s/22:70/2155 | 12:59 |
| robtaylor | i thought that looked wrong =) | 01:00 |
| robtaylor | carlos: so hows the accessd going. did you give some thought to the black box idea? | 01:00 |
| carlos | robtaylor: I was talking with gst's maintainer | 01:01 |
| carlos | and he agree on the idea | 01:01 |
| robtaylor | carlos: gst? | 01:01 |
| carlos | gnome system tools | 01:01 |
| robtaylor | ah :) | 01:01 |
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| carlos | but I was not able to finish the prototype this weekend | 01:02 |
| robtaylor | cool. i bought a new laptop yesterday so i could start working on stuff again, but the hd was b0rked :( | 01:02 |
| carlos | :-( | 01:04 |
| robtaylor | yeah, luckily i got it from a shop so i'll get them to replace it.. i just hope it is the hd and not the controller :( | 01:05 |
| robtaylor | carlos: didi you get much done on the prototype? | 01:05 |
| carlos | robtaylor: nothing about dbus yet, I was playing with pygtk and did the login dialog, nothing more | 01:06 |
| robtaylor | carlos: hmm, the login dialog is another executable, remember ;) | 01:07 |
| carlos | I know, but part of the system | 01:07 |
| carlos | :-) | 01:07 |
| seb128 | carlos: dude, gst=gstreamer :) | 01:07 |
| carlos | I was working on the dialog <-> daemon communication | 01:07 |
| carlos | seb128: nor really :-) | 01:07 |
| carlos | seb128: both have the same letters | 01:08 |
| robtaylor | carlos: should just be done over stdout/stdin | 01:08 |
| carlos | robtaylor: that was my first attempt but I was getting mad with that because it didn't worked until I close the pipe | 01:08 |
| carlos | so I moved to unix sockets | 01:08 |
| robtaylor | carlos: definitly should just be inherited pipes.. | 01:08 |
| robtaylor | for max security | 01:09 |
| carlos | robtaylor: as I said, I did it | 01:09 |
| carlos | but It didn't worked | 01:09 |
| carlos | I need a two ways channel | 01:09 |
| carlos | and I was using two pipes | 01:09 |
| carlos | but it always got blocked | 01:10 |
| robtaylor | carlos: why do you need 2 way channel? | 01:10 |
| robtaylor | just get the cleinet to send login:<bla> passwd: <bla> when its finished | 01:10 |
| carlos | robtaylor: the server needs to tell the helper daemon if it's right or not | 01:12 |
| robtaylor | carlos: hmm, ok, well i'll take a look at the code when i have a moment - it *should* be possible to do it with pipes | 01:15 |
| carlos | robtaylor: if you get it working with pipes, It's perfect | 01:15 |
| gicmo | 'morning | 01:17 |
| herzi | can somebody please verify this: there's no character-pick applet un gnome-applets 2.9.1-0ubuntu1 | 01:18 |
| gicmo | herzi, seems like I dont have one here .. | 01:19 |
| herzi | k | 01:19 |
| herzi | looks like a missing build dependency | 01:19 |
| elmo | gar. nice way to quasi-DOS a machine, fill it's /tmp with so much crap it takes eons to boot | 01:20 |
| daniels | elmo: yeah | 01:22 |
| elmo | damn. I don't even get to shout at anyone - the directories seem to be owned by me :( | 01:23 |
| daniels | elmo: well, if you're really upset at yourself, you could slice yourself up | 01:23 |
| daniels | the datacentre equivalent of seppuku | 01:23 |
| fabbione | seb128: do you think you can create somekind of patch to disable the XKeepcrashing from gdm as a argument switch? | 01:26 |
| seb128 | fabbione: yeah, that should be easy to do | 01:26 |
| daniels | why does X fail to start on the 441? | 01:26 |
| fabbione | or as a config oprion like NoXKeepCrashing | 01:26 |
| fabbione | daniels: no that's not the case | 01:26 |
| fabbione | seb128: the config option would be the best solution | 01:28 |
| fabbione | seb128: either to accept the fact that there is no XKeepCrashing | 01:28 |
| seb128 | ok | 01:29 |
| seb128 | hum, I've to go for lunch | 01:29 |
| fabbione | seb128: or a special option that disables it | 01:29 |
| fabbione | so do i :-) | 01:29 |
| fabbione | i don't need it right away... | 01:29 |
| fabbione | so don't worry :) | 01:29 |
| seb128 | there is no hurry I guess, I'll think about it during lunch :) | 01:29 |
| seb128 | later | 01:29 |
| fabbione | bon apetit | 01:29 |
| herzi | jdub, ping | 01:36 |
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| elmo | oh. my. god. could linux-source-2.6.8.1 take _any_ longer to build? :/ | 01:40 |
| daniels | elmo: could be worse, it could be OOo | 01:40 |
| elmo | I'm pretty sure it's worse than oo.o | 01:42 |
| daniels | seriously? | 01:42 |
| daniels | that's impressive | 01:42 |
| elmo | oh, no, it's about the half the time,but still | 01:42 |
| elmo | linux-source-2.6.8.1: 01:55:16 (5 entries, sigma 01:08:07) | 01:42 |
| fabbione | daniels: ok after lunch :-) | 01:43 |
| elmo | openoffice.org: 03:59:50 (1 entry, sigma 00:00:00) | 01:43 |
| Mithrandir | OOo isn't that bad, gcc is worse, iirc. | 01:43 |
| elmo | anyway, lunch.. | 01:43 |
| daniels | fabbione: thanks | 01:43 |
| fabbione | daniels: no problem | 01:43 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: a sigma of one hour is bloody much, though. | 01:43 |
| fabbione | db_set xserver-xfree86/config/device/driver nvidia | 01:45 |
| fabbione | db_set xserver-xorg/config/device/driver nvidia | 01:45 |
| fabbione | this won't work | 01:45 |
| fabbione | you need to setup a var for the server you are using | 01:45 |
| fabbione | and change that to xserver-${SERVER} | 01:45 |
| fabbione | debconf will kill the script if there is no template | 01:46 |
| daniels | ah ok, will do | 01:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: it's the same reason why we set +e in the data migration loop | 01:47 |
| daniels | fabbione: try that | 01:47 |
| fabbione | daniels: i would also do in a slightly different way. | 01:48 |
| daniels | how so | 01:48 |
| fabbione | you assume that either one or the other server is installed | 01:48 |
| fabbione | but you you might have one in a non purge state | 01:48 |
| fabbione | you assume that either one or the other server is installed and the other purged (sorry) | 01:49 |
| daniels | mmm, fair point | 01:49 |
| daniels | that's why I put the test for xorg first though | 01:49 |
| daniels | if xorg.conf is there and they're running XFree86, they've downgraded | 01:50 |
| daniels | in which case -- both pieces | 01:50 |
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| fabbione | daniels: remember that xserver doesn't purge the config if it has been customized | 02:10 |
| fabbione | so don't rely only on the fact that the config is there | 02:10 |
| fabbione | i think you can check using /var/lib/xfree86/{server}.roaster or md5sum | 02:11 |
| daniels | bah | 02:13 |
| daniels | it's a pretty good guess | 02:13 |
| daniels | if they've purged a server, nvidia-glx-config isn't going to do them much good anyway :P | 02:13 |
| Kamion | yay, Manoj merged the kernel-package stem patch | 02:24 |
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| daniels | Kamion: that sounds awfully like 'bouncey bouncey' | 02:26 |
| daniels | (emphasis on 'awful') | 02:26 |
| Kamion | daniels: xorg-driver-synaptics failed to build | 02:32 |
| daniels | Kamion: ?!? | 02:33 |
| daniels | let me hit the logs up | 02:33 |
| Kamion | dh_installdocs | 02:33 |
| Kamion | cp: cannot stat `changelog': No such file or directory | 02:33 |
| daniels | interesting. | 02:33 |
| daniels | yeah | 02:33 |
| daniels | how incredibly bizzare | 02:34 |
| asw | sabdfl ping | 02:48 |
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| Kamion | elmo: please resync xemacs21 to Debian | 02:49 |
| fabbione | doh | 02:51 |
| fabbione | did something happended to our theme? | 02:51 |
| fabbione | all of a sudden gdm decided to gimme back the original one with the big yellow flower | 02:51 |
| pitti | Can someone please proofread https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/usn-samba.txt ? TIA | 02:54 |
| Kamion | "writing access" => "write access" | 02:54 |
| smurfix | pitti: Whom do I ask for access? elmo? | 02:55 |
| Kamion | otherwise looks ok to me | 02:55 |
| pitti | Kamion: fixed, thanks for review | 02:55 |
| pitti | Kamion: I'll publish the thing now | 02:55 |
| pitti | Kamion: I think it is okay to give smurfix the chinstrap web password, what do you think? | 02:56 |
| pitti | Kamion: he's now an approved developer | 02:56 |
| Kamion | pitti: ask elmo, please, I don't know the policy | 02:57 |
| pitti | smurfix: please ask elmo | 02:57 |
| Kamion | seb128: #3833> should we just sync to the Debian version then? | 02:57 |
| smurfix | I noticed ;-) | 02:57 |
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| pitti | smurfix: /me likes to play parrot :-) | 02:58 |
| seb128 | Kamion: no, we have a bunch of extra changes | 02:58 |
| seb128 | Kamion: I don't get the point to spend 1 hour to merge the changes in the debian package for nothing ... I'm missing something ot that's ok ? | 02:59 |
| Kamion | seb128: at least merging the changelog would be good so that we can tell that without looking at the bug, then | 02:59 |
| Kamion | there are benefits to being able to determine this sort of thing automatically | 02:59 |
| Kamion | statistics over the whole distribution, etc. | 02:59 |
| seb128 | statistics ? | 02:59 |
| Kamion | how many packages are completely merged with Debian | 03:00 |
| seb128 | Keybuk said it's not needed yesterday | 03:00 |
| Kamion | I shall have to talk with Keybuk when he arrives, then | 03:00 |
| seb128 | Kamion: in we want to merge the package it'll take ... say 1 hour, there is 5-6 patch to add to the debian package ... to get nothing out of the fact to be based on the debian package | 03:00 |
| seb128 | that's wasting 1 hour imho | 03:01 |
| Kamion | why does it take so long if everything in the Ubuntu package is in the Debian one? | 03:01 |
| Kamion | sorry, other way round I mean | 03:01 |
| Kamion | IMO if you don't want to do it you should leave the bug open, but *shrug* | 03:01 |
| Kamion | remember that this sort of thing is going to provide vital clues to Malone in the future | 03:01 |
| Kamion | it is not a no-op | 03:02 |
| seb128 | but there is no point to let it open, we don't need anything from the debian package | 03:02 |
| Kamion | you need the changelog so that Malone can have a clue how the versions interrelate | 03:02 |
| seb128 | why does it take time ? Because apt-get source the debian package, start adding ubuntu patches, review the diff to extra stuff not added in debian/patches but directly changed, build, test ... | 03:02 |
| seb128 | easy to spend 20min (1hour is perhaps too much yes) | 03:03 |
| Kamion | I realise that it's essentially just bookkeeping, but this sort of bookkeeping is going to keep us sane in the future | 03:03 |
| Kamion | if you don't want to merge the packaging but just the changelogs, that's fine by me | 03:04 |
| seb128 | hum | 03:04 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: moo? | 03:04 |
| seb128 | what's useful in the changelog ? | 03:04 |
| Kamion | although maybe not, it isn't really a descendant | 03:04 |
| Kamion | you have obviously never attempted to implement a version-tracking BTS. I have. :-) | 03:04 |
| Mithrandir | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): | 03:05 |
| Mithrandir | trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib64', which is also in package xorg-driver-synaptics | 03:05 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: told daniels about it earlier, he's fixing | 03:05 |
| Mithrandir | ok, goodie | 03:05 |
| Kamion | seb128: probably best not to merge the changelog without merging the packaging, actually ... | 03:05 |
| seb128 | Kamion: still time to merge when that will be useful ... | 03:05 |
| Kamion | seb128: the useful bit in the changelog is that it's the only possible reliable way to tell that one version of a package is based on any given other version | 03:06 |
| seb128 | Kamion: we could spare a bunch of useless merges before this time and use that time for useful work :) | 03:06 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: the ubuntu package is not based on the debian version, it was here before ... | 03:06 |
| Kamion | true | 03:06 |
| Kamion | well, like I say, I simply disagree with closing the bug, that's all, I'm not telling you to do it now | 03:07 |
| Kamion | there are plenty of bugs in bugzilla that it's not worth fixing yet | 03:07 |
| seb128 | I know, I'm closing it because we don't need to merge it imho | 03:07 |
| seb128 | but let me know if I'm wrong | 03:07 |
| seb128 | as said, I've already talked about this with Scott yesterday | 03:08 |
| seb128 | we should have a clear line about what we want to do :) | 03:08 |
| Kamion | fundamentally I guess it depends whether you want to diverge GNOME forever from Debian or not | 03:08 |
| seb128 | I've no problem with merging for bookkeeping if that's useful, I just thought it was not needed | 03:08 |
| seb128 | Kamion: I include debian changes when they happen in fact, not need to be based on a debian version to do this | 03:09 |
| Kamion | for example, if Debian applies some fix to a patch that's also in the Ubuntu package, it will be easier to tell that automatically if the packaging is similar | 03:09 |
| seb128 | and Debian's GNOME will always be late, so I don't know when we can merge | 03:09 |
| Kamion | I realise that you can handle it now, but we need to not be relying on the heroism of individuals :-) | 03:10 |
| seb128 | true | 03:10 |
| Kamion | the same goes for me and debian-installer, to some extent ... | 03:10 |
| Kamion | anyway, I'll talk to Scott | 03:10 |
| seb128 | the main difference with GNOME is that we have 2.9 and debian 2.8 | 03:10 |
| seb128 | taking 2.8 packages to redo 2.9 ... | 03:11 |
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| Kamion | oh, sure, but that doesn't mean that there won't be say a security patch that applies to both, and we could derive benefit from being able to detect that more automatically | 03:11 |
| seb128 | GNOME packages only have patches in debian/patches | 03:12 |
| seb128 | that should not be hard to detect automatically | 03:12 |
| Kamion | (actually it's harder than any other type of package right now, isn't it? I didn't think Scott's merge-o-matic knew how to handle it at all | 03:12 |
| Kamion | ) | 03:12 |
| Kamion | and no, with respect, I disagree, debian/patches/ is not a panacea | 03:12 |
| seb128 | what's the problem with debian/patches ? | 03:13 |
| seb128 | one example: take the debian packages for gdm and figure what changes are in it with the .diff.gz, good luck ... | 03:13 |
| Kamion | can Scott's merge-o-matic deal with new patches being applied in Debian that are named differently to an Ubuntu patch but that contain the same changeset? | 03:13 |
| Kamion | let's not have the monolithic vs. debian/patches argument again, I'm not trying to argue that | 03:14 |
| seb128 | good question, I don't know | 03:14 |
| Kamion | I understand that it cannot | 03:14 |
| Kamion | which may not affect you with GNOME, but which affects everyone else | 03:14 |
| seb128 | let's wait for Scott and talk with him about all this | 03:15 |
| Kamion | ok | 03:15 |
| Kamion | if the merge-o-matic knew how to handle your type of packaging, it could probably just spit out a source package that you could upload rather than you having to merge by hand, anyway | 03:16 |
| Kamion | that's what most of the other distro team people are dealing with right now. | 03:16 |
| seb128 | yeah | 03:17 |
| azeem | it could compare md5sums first perhaps, but that does not catch whitespace/indentation issues of course | 03:19 |
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| daniels | Mithrandir: moo! | 03:20 |
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| Mithrandir | daniels: kamion had already prodded you, he said -- xorg-synaptics-driver is b0rken on amd64. | 03:21 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: yeah, just finished lunch | 03:21 |
| daniels | uploading in a sec | 03:22 |
| Mithrandir | goodie | 03:22 |
| daniels | there, have a new xorg while I'm at it | 03:23 |
| fabbione | debian/patches/000_stolen_from_patches.diff (taken from | 03:28 |
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| fabbione | i mean.. we have like: stolen_from_HEAD.diff | 03:28 |
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| infinity | Maybe he has a dog named "patches" who wrote the patch? | 03:29 |
| fabbione | infinity: that would be mostlikely named: stolen_from_DOG.diff | 03:29 |
| infinity | Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute in a contrived, roundabout way, to pets. | 03:29 |
| daniels | fabbione: it's not committed to HEAD, so putting it in stolen_from_HEAD is misleading | 03:36 |
| daniels | fabbione: it was taken from www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/patches, as I said in the header, so that seemed the most sensible thing to put | 03:37 |
| fabbione | yeah eayh :-)) | 03:37 |
| fabbione | btw.. when do you expect to have cvs back online? | 03:37 |
| daniels | dunno | 03:42 |
| daniels | still got ldap to finish tonight after i finish work | 03:42 |
| infinity | Did you find a CVS backup you're satisfied? | 03:42 |
| infinity | s/\?$/with\?/ | 03:43 |
| daniels | yeah, I've got one I'm satisfied with -- from the 15th of October | 03:46 |
| daniels | sigh | 03:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: tell that's the one WITHOUT xprint :-) | 03:47 |
| daniels | heh | 03:47 |
| daniels | if only | 03:47 |
| fabbione | daniels: this is a really really really ood opportunity | 03:47 |
| fabbione | good even | 03:47 |
| daniels | well, I think the current best plan is to say 'right, here's your CVS on the 15th of October, here's your CVS on the 15th of November; do what you like with these two snapshots' | 03:47 |
| daniels | i have snapshots of a few projects' CVS roots from the 5th also | 03:48 |
| fabbione | seb128: is it normal that gdm lost his ubuntu theme? | 03:59 |
| seb128 | not | 04:00 |
| seb128 | when ? | 04:01 |
| elmo | OH MY GOD IT'S STILL BUILDING | 04:01 |
| daniels | elmo: ... impressive | 04:01 |
| daniels | elmo: where are you building it? | 04:01 |
| fabbione | i am not sure.. it was a while i didn't upgrade the machine | 04:01 |
| elmo | you know, I think that 2hour +figure is with a hot ccache | 04:01 |
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| seb128 | fabbione: you have changed the gdm.conf file ? | 04:01 |
| elmo | I could have hand-edited the binary in this amount of time | 04:02 |
| elmo | daniels: adare | 04:02 |
| daniels | elmo: good god | 04:02 |
| fabbione | seb128: yes but i didn't touch the Theme part | 04:02 |
| daniels | elmo: oh, that's with thirty-one flavours of sven crack, no? | 04:02 |
| seb128 | perhaps you broke the structure somewhat | 04:02 |
| elmo | daniels: no, only 3 flavours, that's less than i386 | 04:03 |
| fabbione | seb128: hmmm | 04:03 |
| daniels | elmo: oh | 04:03 |
| fabbione | seb128: is there any automatic check i can use? | 04:05 |
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| seb128 | fabbione: not afaik | 04:05 |
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| azeem | did you consider splitting up the web archives for, say, ubuntu-users to several pages? | 04:07 |
| daniels | elmo: are we going to get the customary triumphant salute when it finishes? :) | 04:08 |
| daniels | elmo: (wappers, not shaft) | 04:08 |
| fabbione | seb128: yeah. it looks like something related to the config | 04:13 |
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| elmo | Kamion: done | 04:18 |
| elmo | daniels: meh | 04:18 |
| fabbione | seb128: it was a permission problem | 04:19 |
| seb128 | ok | 04:19 |
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| Kamion | elmo: ta | 04:25 |
| Kamion | elmo: (you meant xemacs21, right?) | 04:26 |
| Kamion | speaking of Sven, I have a Pegasos here | 04:26 |
| lamont_r | morning | 04:27 |
| elmo | Kamion: right | 04:28 |
| elmo | sed's fixed now right? | 04:31 |
| Kamion | so I'm told, I haven't managed to actually test it myself though quite yet | 04:31 |
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| Kamion | there's a bizarre comment in #3771 suggesting that the current powerpc version is broken, which I want to test myself first | 04:32 |
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| lamont_r | daniels/fabbione? | 04:43 |
| daniels | lamont_r: sup | 04:44 |
| lamont_r | s3 video chipset with ancient monitor + xorg or xf86 -> nfg | 04:44 |
| lamont_r | you want a log and config? | 04:44 |
| daniels | yes please | 04:45 |
| daniels | through BZ if you will | 04:45 |
| lamont_r | ok. gimme a bit | 04:45 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: did you notice python_gtk2 failed to build? | 04:50 |
| fabbione | because of a md5sum mismatch | 04:50 |
| lamont_r | fabbione: working through noticing lots of such things.... | 04:50 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:51 |
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| Mithrandir | fabbione: what's the state of ubuntu@sparc? | 04:53 |
| daniels | elmo: topicdiff? | 04:53 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: building phase0. almost everything as expected. | 04:54 |
| smurfix | daniels: -archivr reboot | 04:54 |
| smurfix | archive | 04:54 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: ok, anything I can help you with? | 04:54 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: Total 248 package(s) | 04:54 |
| fabbione | left to build | 04:54 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: not yet i think | 04:54 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: until you don't want to setup a buildd :-) | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | ok, when is it ready for me to bootstrap off? | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | I have a few sparcs I want to get flying. | 04:55 |
| elmo | bah, sucks, if you install lilo and switch to grub, you don't get the nice menu.lst | 04:55 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: we will need to work on the installer sometimes after i pass phase1 | 04:55 |
| Mithrandir | I have a small pile, as I said. Two 333MHz boxes, can get two 270MHz ones as well | 04:56 |
| daniels | ah, right | 04:56 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: right now i am building ubuntu on top of sid | 04:56 |
| Kamion | _rene_: can you point me to where I can get the patch for #281643, or is RSN going to be in the next day or so? | 04:56 |
| Kamion | _rene_: I want working Ubuntu CDs :-) | 04:56 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: finished this phase i need to manually sort out the dep-wait (like gnome2.8 and xorg) | 04:57 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: completed that phase, we need to rebuild all ubuntu on top of ubuntu | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | ok. | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | tell me when I can do something useful. | 04:57 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: right now only extra buildd's would help | 04:57 |
| Mithrandir | if I set up Debian on the boxes, can you take it from there or do you want help running them as well? | 04:58 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: if you are up for them, we can make the setup sunday | 04:58 |
| _rene_ | Kamion: http://cvs.debian.org/oo-deb/debian/rules.diff?r1=1.241&r2=1.242&cvsroot=debian-openoffice | 04:58 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i can take it from there, yes | 04:58 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: i will need some sudo access and stuff like that | 04:58 |
| _rene_ | Kamion: it will go in once I catch joeyh and change one thing more in the packages or not | 04:58 |
| Mithrandir | obviously, and I will need to kill you if you do $stupid_stuff on the network. | 04:58 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: I'll see if I can get them netinstalled later today. | 04:59 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: other than scp'ing packages in/out.. no | 04:59 |
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| fabbione | ah.. and a configured MTA | 04:59 |
| fabbione | i need to get mail back from the buildd | 04:59 |
| fabbione | but no need for me to send them | 04:59 |
| fabbione | to it | 04:59 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: it's an academic network; copying shit is just fine. We won't notice until you start going >> 10MBit/sec. | 04:59 |
| fabbione | ahah no way i can manage that from here | 05:00 |
| Kamion | _rene_: hm, we have a forked version anyway, I might just apply that | 05:01 |
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| lamont_r | fabbione: X11/Xauth.h not found. - what is nas missing? | 05:14 |
| daniels | lamont_r: libxau-dev | 05:18 |
| daniels | lamont_r: what exactly are you building?? | 05:18 |
| lamont_r | daniels: looking at the build logs (in this case, nas) | 05:18 |
| fabbione | lamont_r: from yesterday daniles is your X guy :P | 05:18 |
| daniels | lamont_r: craaaaaaack. | 05:18 |
| lamont_r | daniels is my X-bitch. got it. | 05:18 |
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| lamont_r | Build-Depends: xlibs-static-dev, libsm-dev, libice-dev, libx11-dev, libxt-dev, libxaw7-dev, xutils, bison, flex, file, po-debconf | 05:20 |
| lamont_r | oh, look. xlibs-static-dev. | 05:20 |
| daniels | sub out xlibs-static-dev | 05:20 |
| daniels | anything reverse-depending on xlibs-static will be broken, pretty much | 05:20 |
| daniels | (xlibs-static -> xlibs-static-{dev,pic}) | 05:21 |
| lamont_r | so file bugs and assign them to you. got it. | 05:21 |
| lamont_r | :-) | 05:21 |
| daniels | yeah, pretty much | 05:21 |
| daniels | but you get to fix this one :) | 05:21 |
| lamont_r | are they debian bugs, or just us | 05:21 |
| lamont_r | daniels: np | 05:21 |
| lamont_r | xlibs-static == xlibs-static-{dev,pic}, eh? | 05:21 |
| lamont_r | yes? | 05:21 |
| daniels | right | 05:23 |
| daniels | they're just us | 05:23 |
| lamont_r | daniels: 3860, btw. if I get a fix today then I can help the poor user when I next visit his house before I head home saturday.... | 05:29 |
| Mithrandir | amu: *prod*? | 05:30 |
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| daniels | lamont_r: lspci output? | 05:31 |
| Mitario | hey all | 05:31 |
| daniels | lamont_r: it could well be one of the few cards which are unsupported in xfree86 4.x and above s3 | 05:31 |
| daniels | lamont_r: (try vesa) | 05:31 |
| lamont_r | daniels: not near the machine right now. | 05:36 |
| lamont_r | was s3 though for sure... | 05:36 |
| lamont_r | how does one "try vesa", just to be clueless and off-topic? | 05:36 |
| daniels | just change Driver "s3" to Driver "vesa" | 05:36 |
| daniels | and you might want to nuke the BusID while you're at it | 05:36 |
| lamont_r | doh | 05:36 |
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| Kamion | lamont_r: are the amd64 buildds particularly clogged right now? | 05:44 |
| === lamont_r looks | ||
| lamont_r | shouldn't be | 05:46 |
| ironwolf | lamont_r: is xlibs mis-behaving in hoary today? | 05:47 |
| lamont_r | ironwolf: nah - it's an xf86->xorg change thing | 05:47 |
| daniels | what'd I miss? | 05:48 |
| ironwolf | lamont_r: (gvim:6415): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib what's that? and how do I fix? | 05:48 |
| lamont_r | daniels: he's referring to your answer earlier, I xpect... | 05:48 |
| lamont_r | ah | 05:48 |
| lamont_r | ironwolf: that's a locale thing | 05:48 |
| daniels | ironwolf: if I knew how to fix it, my head would hurt a lot less | 05:49 |
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| ironwolf | daniels: does that mean there isn't currently a fix? or that it's complicated? | 05:49 |
| daniels | ironwolf: both | 05:49 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: wondering why they're lagging on xorg-driver-synaptics is all; tell me to sod off if I'm just being too impatient | 05:51 |
| lamont_r | oh, those are ftbfs | 05:51 |
| lamont_r | dh_installdocs | 05:51 |
| lamont_r | cp: cannot stat `changelog': No such file or directory | 05:51 |
| lamont_r | dh_installdocs: command returned error code 256 | 05:51 |
| enrico | Hello. Someone knows the IRC nick of Jane Silber (if she has one?) | 05:51 |
| Mithrandir | enrico: silbs | 05:52 |
| enrico | Mithrandir: thanks! | 05:52 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: on all 3 architectures | 05:52 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: that's the last version back | 05:52 |
| lamont_r | oh. well then sod off. ;-) | 05:53 |
| Kamion | mmkay :) | 05:53 |
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| lamont_r | sigh... sed is not my friend | 05:56 |
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| lamont_r | grumble | 06:01 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: fixed | 06:01 |
| Kamion | lamont_r: heh, thanks | 06:02 |
| lamont_r | Kamion: fwiw, I hadn't really fixed the config on yellow when I started the buildd back up - it's all better now. (sigh( | 06:13 |
| lamont_r | fabbione: thanks for pointing me to the real current status of sasl2 and friends (rebootstrapping those on ia64) | 06:14 |
| lamont_r | fabbione: where does wartylog wind up (for this channel)? | 06:15 |
| daniels | fabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 06:15 |
| gicmo | sladen, did you get the mail? | 06:20 |
| Kamion | #3861 is freaky | 06:21 |
| daniels | Kamion: crack | 06:23 |
| daniels | hm, this 8-bit version of Freestyler is pure crack | 06:24 |
| daniels | daniels@catsby:~/canonical/xfree86/foo/libx11-6-dbg/usr/X11R6/lib/debug% export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=en_US.UTF-8 | 06:24 |
| daniels | more caffeine this way | 06:24 |
| daniels | gnarcrackgnar | 06:26 |
| infinity | daniels : S'ok. Early today, I mindlessly typed "apt-get install ll" when a shell alias wasn't defined. | 06:29 |
| daniels | heh | 06:29 |
| sladen | gicmo: yup, I did. I'll answer it at some point too ;-) | 06:31 |
| sladen | who runs mailman around here? | 06:31 |
| Kamion | that would be jdub I think | 06:31 |
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| Mithrandir | sladen: what's wrong with mailman now? | 06:32 |
| daniels | i wish I had've looked at that jelly bean instead of eating it straight away -- it was really nice, and I don't know which colour it was | 06:33 |
| sladen | Mithrandir: nothing. After a new list | 06:33 |
| daniels | Keybuk: 'morning | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | daniels: *cough* yeah | 06:33 |
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| Kamion | oh, baby jesus WEPT, I have to build the openoffice.org source again because it has CVS directories in the source package and my default debuild configuration kills those | 06:48 |
| infinity | And you want to ship them, why? | 06:49 |
| daniels | Kamion: oops | 06:49 |
| Kamion | minimising diff against Debian | 06:49 |
| Kamion | makes merges sane later | 06:50 |
| infinity | So, file a bug against the Debian packages to remove the CVS dirs. :) | 06:50 |
| haggai | infinity: they are there on purpose | 06:50 |
| infinity | (and arch dirs too... Those really irritate me) | 06:50 |
| Kamion | arch directories in source packages seem to contain a lot more guff | 06:51 |
| haggai | I meant the CVS dirs | 06:52 |
| haggai | I'm not sure what you mean by arch dirs | 06:52 |
| Kamion | {arch}, .arch-ids | 06:52 |
| Kamion | i.e. tla | 06:52 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by elmo at Thu Nov 18 16:53:36 2004 | ||
| === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | ||
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| (Mitario/#ubuntu-devel) hi mvo_ | 07:12 | |
| mvo_ | hi Mitario | 07:14 |
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| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) LKJE | 07:28 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) _rene_: isn't 'grep -v -en' wrong? grep will interpret the -en as an option | 07:38 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) $ (echo openoffice.org-l10n-en; echo openoffice.org-l10n-fr) | grep -v -en | 07:38 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) $ | 07:38 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) it will, yes. | 07:38 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) _rene_: you need 'grep -v -- -en' | 07:38 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) it will grep for n, just, afaik | 07:38 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it'll use -n as an option; standard getopt behaviour ... | 07:39 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) or maybe not? | 07:39 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) oh, no, you're quite right | 07:39 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) nope, it'll use n as the pattern, since what follows -e is the regex | 07:39 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) quite confusing, though | 07:39 | |
| === Kamion is thankful he didn't upload | ||
| (rcaskey/#ubuntu-devel) btw, anyone played with OOo's new database tool yet? | 07:40 | |
| (rcaskey/#ubuntu-devel) It's definately a start | 07:40 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Can anyone post a translation of #3863 to the bug? | 07:41 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it's Spanish, I think | 07:41 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) going | 07:41 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) thanks | 07:41 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) I think he's complaining that his pen drive isn't automagically mounted and that he's told the list which told him to bug report it. | 07:42 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) Dear developers. I've got a Abit AN7 uGuru Motherboard with Nvidia mcp-t chip, and usbpen doesn't mount automatically. | 07:42 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) he said he can mount it by hand, but not automatically | 07:43 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) to the bug :-) | 07:43 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) :) sorry | 07:43 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) I'm surprised my translation was that accurate -- I don't know spanish or any latin languages at all :) | 07:43 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) very accurate Mithrandir | 07:44 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) "Escribi en la lista de ubuntu en espaol y me dijeron que me notificara este bug" is roughly "I posted to the spanish ubuntu list and was asked to bugfile this"? | 07:46 | |
| (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: oh, it will? | 07:47 | |
| (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: hmpf | 07:47 | |
| (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: thanks | 07:47 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) _rene_: : tfheen@shonap ~ > grep -en /etc/passwd | wc -l | 07:47 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) 30 | 07:47 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) : tfheen@shonap ~ > grep -- -en /etc/passwd | wc -l | 07:48 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) 0 | 07:48 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) doing mi bugzilla account | 07:48 | |
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| (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) hmm | 07:48 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) need password to post bug translation | 07:49 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) ka-BAM. | 07:49 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) narrowed down the locale issue | 07:49 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, so tuesday 14 ? | 07:49 | |
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| (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) obvious | 07:50 | |
| === _rene_ womnders why he didn't think about that | ||
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) WOO WOO SUMMON THE PO-LICE | 07:51 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion, bug translated | 07:54 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) trukulo: thanks | 07:54 | |
| (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: thanks, fixed | 07:54 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) you're wellcome | 07:54 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) see you soon kamion :) IRL | 07:55 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) trukulo: sounds good to me, but you'll probably want to check with others | 07:55 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, confirmed with jane | 07:55 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) tuesday 14 at 7pm | 07:55 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) we only need confirmation of jdub | 07:56 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) awesome! i'll be there | 07:56 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) and he said to me he wants to | 07:56 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) :) | 07:56 | |
| (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) want to know you all (except fabbione, lol) | 07:56 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) heh | 07:56 | |
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| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: d-i unhappy on ppc | 08:01 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: howso? | 08:01 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) udev-udeb depends hotplug but it is not installable | 08:02 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) debian-installer build you mean? | 08:02 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) yes | 08:02 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) sorry for the lack of clarity | 08:02 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) what's the i386 failure about, anyway? | 08:03 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: so, dude. | 08:03 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 | 08:03 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% export LC_ALL=$LANG | 08:03 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% gedit | 08:03 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) [type some stuff] | 08:04 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% | 08:04 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: you know how useless it is to set LANG and LC_ALL? LC_ALL overrides. | 08:04 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: looks like a burp in the bubble we call reality | 08:04 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) retrying | 08:04 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: well, I'm just being very sure | 08:04 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: hmm, ok, so I suck, fixing | 08:04 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: the point was the lack of OMG XLIB H8S UR LOCALE | 08:04 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: to be even more sure, export the variable twice. :P | 08:04 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: bonus | 08:04 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: (it'll be a udev upload) | 08:04 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) that bug was an utter bastard to track down | 08:04 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: anything I should d-w on? | 08:05 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) or will you just tell me to kick it in an hour or 2? | 08:05 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: udev-udeb 0.042-1ubuntu3 (if you can d-w on udebs) | 08:06 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) otherwise udev 0.042-1ubuntu3 | 08:06 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) >=? | 08:06 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) sure | 08:07 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) the retry on i386 was a mirror of ppc | 08:07 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) the retry on i386 was a mirror of ppc | 08:08 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) xfree86: 02:24:12 (3 entries, sigma 00:16:01) | 08:08 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble | 08:08 | |
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| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: is nautilus-media meant to be in universe? | 08:12 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: hm, you mean it was an issue just with the en_US.UTF-8 definition? | 08:15 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: afaict, and probably others as well | 08:15 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: but it only manifests in this particular combination | 08:15 | |
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| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: so I tried regressing libraries and stuff first, and ended up tearing hair out | 08:15 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) thought somebody'd reported it with en_AU.UTF-8 too | 08:15 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) same definition | 08:16 | |
| (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) (i'm running in en_AU.UTF-8 now) | 08:16 | |
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| seb128 | Kamion: yes | 08:22 |
| seb128 | Kamion: it's not really useful and doesn't work very well | 08:22 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) hm, ok | 08:25 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) does that mean you don't want to handle its merge bug? :) | 08:25 | |
| seb128 | oh no, just assign it to me | 08:26 |
| seb128 | I've probably zapped it | 08:26 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:elmo] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | website downtime due to server reboots | ||
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: ok | 08:28 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) can someone try logging into the website please? | 08:34 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) the ubuntulinux.org one I mean | 08:34 | |
| (jdz_/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: It works, I'm logged in. | 08:36 | |
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| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) jdz_: have you logged in just now though ? | 08:36 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) I need someone without an existing cookie to try logging, if possible | 08:36 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: works for me, logged in just now | 08:36 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: excellent thanks | 08:36 | |
| (jdz_/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: Just now. First time on this computer | 08:36 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) jdz_: thanks | 08:37 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) ok, now for the actual web server | 08:38 | |
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| Kyaneos | hi | 08:44 |
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| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mdz ain't around, is he... | 08:46 | |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:elmo] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | ||
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| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: nope | 08:53 | |
| (amu/#ubuntu-devel) a usbcdrom is handled as sda or scd? | 08:54 | |
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| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) :-) | 08:55 | |
| seb128 | fabbione: here ? | 08:56 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) apt uploaded | 09:01 | |
| seb128 | somebody did a xfree warty-security upload ? | 09:03 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) daniels did, I think | 09:06 | |
| seb128 | an user is complaining on #ubuntu-fr that he can only use 640x480 now | 09:06 |
| seb128 | and he was using 1024x768 before the security update | 09:06 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) so how do I force reportbugs to send the mail to a specific address, I wonder. | 09:07 | |
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| fabbione | seb128: X belongs to daniels now :-) | 09:43 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:43 |
| seb128 | BTW do you have an idea on what could cause this ? | 09:43 |
| seb128 | I would like to reply something to the guy | 09:44 |
| fabbione | seb128: probably an inconsistency in the debconf information | 09:44 |
| fabbione | seb128: just tell him to use dpkg-reconfigure | 09:44 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:45 |
| daniels | what'd I miss? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | daniels: | 09:47 |
| seb128 | <seb128> an user is complaining on #ubuntu-fr that he can only use 640x480 now | 09:47 |
| seb128 | <seb128> and he was using 1024x768 before the security update | 09:47 |
| daniels | ehm | 09:47 |
| daniels | that's complete crack. nothing changed but libXpm. | 09:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:48 |
| seb128 | thanks :) | 09:48 |
| daniels | no worries | 09:48 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) @ERROR: max connections (25) reached - try again later | 10:00 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) r | 10:00 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) sigh... | 10:00 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) should archive.ubuntu.com be happier? | 10:00 | |
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| fabbione | Mithrandir: are you still around? | 10:04 |
| fabbione | daniels: we need to prepare a few slides for the talk... | 10:04 |
| fabbione | daniels: and decide what to talk about | 10:04 |
| (amu/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: 20:13 <Mithrandir> I'm off for some food and beer | 10:05 | |
| fabbione | amu: thanks :-) | 10:05 |
| (amu/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: he told me also ... , drop me a /msg .... | 10:06 | |
| fabbione | nah | 10:07 |
| fabbione | it's nothing urgent | 10:07 |
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| fabbione | lamont_r: and this update is going to take forever | 10:09 |
| fabbione | xorg and xfree86 the same day | 10:09 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: shame on you. :-) | 10:10 | |
| fabbione | no no | 10:10 |
| fabbione | I AM NOT X MAINTAINER ANY | 10:10 |
| fabbione | MORE | 10:10 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) hehe | 10:10 | |
| fabbione | ops | 10:10 |
| fabbione | sorry | 10:10 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) really? well shame on daniels then. :-) | 10:10 | |
| fabbione | i _didn't_ want to use the C4P5 L0CK | 10:10 |
| seb128 | fabbione: what do you do know so ? :) | 10:10 |
| fabbione | seb128: keeping an eye on daniels :P | 10:11 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 10:11 |
| fabbione | if he fucks up i am going to hunt him down like an eagle on a rat | 10:11 |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: you're not going to be doing X maintenance for debian or ubuntu? | 10:12 | |
| fabbione | ubuntu | 10:12 |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) whatcha going to be doing? | 10:12 | |
| fabbione | jdub: other stuff | 10:13 |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) heh | 10:13 | |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) no kidding! | 10:13 | |
| daniels | fabbione: yeah | 10:13 |
| daniels | fabbione: not now though | 10:13 |
| daniels | fabbione: if i'm not working and i'm behind a computer, it's fd.o | 10:13 |
| fabbione | daniels: j/k kid :P | 10:14 |
| fabbione | daniels: for the presentation it's enough we think about something during Mataro | 10:14 |
| fabbione | no need to do it *right now* | 10:14 |
| daniels | yeah | 10:14 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: ? | 10:29 | |
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| (lifeless/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: so how is the recovery coming? | 10:33 | |
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| FTTP | hi | 10:35 |
| FTTP | fabio! :) | 10:35 |
| fabbione | yes? | 10:35 |
| FTTP | i sent u a bug report earlier | 10:36 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: any progress on the xorg utf-8 thing? | 10:36 |
| FTTP | dunno if its a bug or not | 10:36 |
| FTTP | fabbione: is there a workaround for monitors that dont provide appropriate DDC? | 10:37 |
| fabbione | no | 10:37 |
| fabbione | FTTP = Adam? | 10:37 |
| FTTP | yep | 10:37 |
| FTTP | i left some comment | 10:37 |
| FTTP | s | 10:37 |
| fabbione | i am reading them now | 10:38 |
| FTTP | ok | 10:38 |
| FTTP | i only put reopen cause i had some additional comments | 10:38 |
| FTTP | not sure if it was worthy of reopen | 10:38 |
| fabbione | "am I correct in assuming that Windows | 10:39 |
| fabbione | cant correctly detect this information either? " | 10:39 |
| fabbione | yes | 10:39 |
| daniels | mxpxpod: fixed | 10:39 |
| FTTP | i figured that | 10:39 |
| daniels | lifeless: yeah, not too bad thanks | 10:39 |
| fabbione | if it detects higher rates than what the monitor can really handle it's a bug | 10:39 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: nice | 10:39 |
| daniels | lifeless: just making LDAP my bitch | 10:39 |
| pitti | elmo: back, phone | 10:39 |
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| mxpxpod | daniels: when's it going to be uploaded? | 10:39 |
| fabbione | FTTP: also.. there are monitors that claims to be DDC compliant and they are not | 10:39 |
| fabbione | FTTP: it won't be the first time | 10:39 |
| daniels | mxpxpod: probably two days | 10:40 |
| FTTP | fabbione: right..... i understand..... | 10:40 |
| fabbione | FTTP: nv or nvidia makes no difference. The driver comes from the same people | 10:40 |
| fabbione | FTTP: other than 3d features | 10:40 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: also, what's up with fonts on xorg... example: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/screenshots/coaster-main.png compared to http://www.reigndropsfall.net/screenshots/coaster-main-new.png | 10:40 |
| fabbione | it's exactly the same crap | 10:40 |
| FTTP | fabbione: ok, on the refresh rate issue | 10:40 |
| fabbione | FTTP: please wait for the next X release. We have a bunch of updates for the nv driver | 10:41 |
| (lifeless/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: cool | 10:41 | |
| FTTP | fabbione: Yep :) | 10:41 |
| fabbione | iirc it includes also something DDC related | 10:41 |
| daniels | mxpxpod: they look nice on -new and crap on -main? | 10:41 |
| fabbione | FTTP: i am talking about X.org 1ubuntu4 at least | 10:41 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: they look strange on -new | 10:41 |
| fabbione | not the one that come out today | 10:41 |
| FTTP | fabbione: can the xfree you use tho handle the higher refresh rates where its just an X config problem? | 10:42 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: I guess I'm just used to the way they look in -main | 10:42 |
| fabbione | FTTP: as last thing, please add your config file and /var/log/Xorg.0.og to the bug | 10:42 |
| daniels | mxpxpod: to me, that's a 100% improvement :) | 10:42 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: really? | 10:42 |
| daniels | yah | 10:42 |
| fabbione | FTTP: that's a very hairy thing. | 10:42 |
| FTTP | fabbione: Hairy? | 10:43 |
| spotter | anyone here suffering from frequent crashes in evolution in hoary? | 10:43 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: to me, it looks like the letters are running into each other | 10:43 |
| fabbione | FTTP: the protocol works more or less in this way: | 10:43 |
| daniels | mxpxpod: mmm | 10:43 |
| FTTP | fabbione: See my monitor can do higher refresh rates in windows ...... | 10:43 |
| fabbione | FTTP: driver attempts to detect rates. | 10:43 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: especially when e and a are together | 10:43 |
| FTTP | im wondering if its just the xfree config file causing the lower rates to be used | 10:43 |
| (ironwolf/#ubuntu-devel) spotter: yes *must be daniels fault* | 10:43 | |
| fabbione | FTTP: than it grabs the info from the config file | 10:43 |
| fabbione | FTTP: let me finish please :-) | 10:44 |
| === spotter wonders what ironwolf has against daniels | ||
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| fabbione | FTTP: now the black magic happen | 10:44 |
| === ironwolf loves daniels... he's the xorg God. :) | ||
| fabbione | FTTP: where there are 4 combinations | 10:44 |
| fabbione | a) ddc return - data in config file -> driver uses the safest data from the two set of info | 10:45 |
| fabbione | so for ex. | 10:45 |
| mxpxpod | daniels: btw, you've done a good job on xorg for ubuntu | 10:45 |
| daniels | thanks | 10:45 |
| fabbione | ddc returns a VertSync 49-120 | 10:45 |
| daniels | fabbione needs credit for xorg too tho | 10:45 |
| fabbione | config has 50-80 | 10:45 |
| fabbione | hem | 10:46 |
| fabbione | config has 40-80 | 10:46 |
| fabbione | the safe value is 49-80 | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | fabbione: good job | 10:46 |
| fabbione | mxpxpod: thanks :-) | 10:46 |
| fabbione | FTTP: are you following me? | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | I didn't think any debian based distro would have it for years | 10:46 |
| mxpxpod | :) | 10:46 |
| FTTP | yep | 10:46 |
| fabbione | b) ddc return - no config info | 10:46 |
| fabbione | the driver has to trust the ddc info | 10:47 |
| fabbione | c) no ddc return - config info | 10:47 |
| fabbione | the driver trust what you say | 10:47 |
| fabbione | d) no ddc - no config | 10:47 |
| fabbione | the driver goes bana | 10:47 |
| fabbione | banana | 10:47 |
| fabbione | so basically the combination is not simple | 10:47 |
| fabbione | in your case you might have to try to disable the values in the config | 10:47 |
| FTTP | gotcha | 10:48 |
| fabbione | but this is something we canNOT do by default | 10:48 |
| fabbione | we can't allow people to hit case d) | 10:48 |
| FTTP | fabbione: it did an excellent job in making it work | 10:48 |
| fabbione | that's because we chose a safe and reliable path | 10:49 |
| fabbione | for "details" | 10:49 |
| fabbione | that's up to the user | 10:49 |
| fabbione | we can't push over what we know | 10:49 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: if you need me to punch ironwolf, just say so. :-) | 10:49 | |
| fabbione | simply because i can't efford to start replacing monitors all over the glob | 10:49 |
| fabbione | globe | 10:50 |
| jdz_ | fabbione, very good to know, thanks! | 10:50 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) oh wait, common guest-rules prevent that. | 10:50 | |
| === ironwolf loves fabbione too.... just less. ;) | ||
| fabbione | ironwolf: ?!?! | 10:50 |
| FTTP | right....... would be nice tho if those could be selected in an easier manner | 10:50 |
| (ironwolf/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: was in response to something someone said. | 10:50 | |
| fabbione | FTTP: we are going to re-discuss the autodetection implementation in Mataro during DecConf | 10:51 |
| FTTP | ok thanks :) | 10:51 |
| FTTP | fabbione: Seems like you already know about this stuff | 10:51 |
| fabbione | FTTP: it's kinda like because i have been maintaing X for almost a year? | 10:51 |
| fabbione | FTTP: if you want some fun try this: | 10:51 |
| FTTP | fabbione: no no i mean the bug i reported which is not a bug :) | 10:51 |
| fabbione | exit from X | 10:51 |
| FTTP | yeah your work is excellent | 10:52 |
| (infinity/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione : That IS fun! | 10:52 | |
| fabbione | mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup | 10:52 |
| fabbione | and restart X | 10:52 |
| FTTP | im not in linux right now but ill try that | 10:52 |
| fabbione | you will test the new Xorg autodetecion policy engine | 10:52 |
| fabbione | no need to reconfigure anything | 10:52 |
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| fabbione | just run it :) | 10:52 |
| FTTP | sounds kewl | 10:52 |
| === jdz_ runs off to try it | ||
| fabbione | FTTP: we don't know how good it is yet | 10:53 |
| FTTP | fabbione did u put the files u wanted me to send over in the bug report ? | 10:53 |
| FTTP | easier for me to remember that way | 10:53 |
| fabbione | FTTP: i can't put YOUR files in the bug report :-) | 10:53 |
| FTTP | no i mean the names | 10:53 |
| fabbione | just your config and your Xorg.0.log | 10:53 |
| fabbione | no i didn't | 10:53 |
| fabbione | /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 10:53 |
| FTTP | well ill just save that to notepad, no biggie | 10:54 |
| FTTP | im in windows now | 10:54 |
| FTTP | oh u mean for the new xorg detection mechanism? | 10:54 |
| FTTP | should i send both over? | 10:54 |
| fabbione | no.. only the normal one please | 10:55 |
| fabbione | play and experiment AFTER | 10:55 |
| FTTP | ok | 10:55 |
| FTTP | fabbione wait xorg.conf is the config file? | 10:56 |
| fabbione | yes | 10:56 |
| FTTP | for the current ? | 10:56 |
| FTTP | ok | 10:56 |
| FTTP | confused me there | 10:56 |
| fabbione | jdz_ runs off to try it | 10:57 |
| fabbione | i killed a user | 10:57 |
| fabbione | if he is not back in the next 2 minutes, there will be a new bug report for daniels | 10:57 |
| FTTP | quick question for any takers: i need to redo my grub boot partition cause i had problems with windows | 10:59 |
| FTTP | whats the easiest way for me to reinstall grub without being able to get into my system? | 10:59 |
| FTTP | kinda sounds stupid i know | 11:00 |
| FTTP | <grin> | 11:00 |
| fabbione | FTTP: this is more for #ubuntu :P | 11:00 |
| FTTP | yeah i tried what they said | 11:00 |
| FTTP | couldnt get it to work | 11:00 |
| FTTP | oh well ill ask there again, thanx | 11:01 |
| FTTP | maybe i did it wrong | 11:01 |
| FTTP | its coming across nicely tho | 11:02 |
| FTTP | cant wait for hoary :) | 11:02 |
| fabbione | good night everybody | 11:03 |
| (sivang/#ubuntu-devel) night fabbione | 11:04 | |
| FTTP | night fabbione | 11:04 |
| FTTP | thanks | 11:04 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: ?? | 11:08 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) +ackages.gz Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (100) | 11:09 | |
| === lamont_r giggles | ||
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble | 11:09 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) 26-7=19. 4 hours probably too long | 11:10 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble | 11:10 | |
| (ironwolf/#ubuntu-devel) night fabbione | 11:13 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: you around? | 11:14 | |
| seb128 | yes | 11:14 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) why does python-gtk2_2.4.1.orig.tar.gz have a bogus md5sum? | 11:14 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble. | 11:14 | |
| === lamont_r will fix | ||
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) just had the need to bitch, and all that. | 11:14 | |
| mvo_ | lamont_r: where did you got the "Packages.gz Sub-progcess bzip2" error? | 11:15 |
| seb128 | the md5 is bogus ? or that was you ? :) | 11:15 |
| seb128 | I got this one too | 11:15 |
| seb128 | on a fresh install while doing an apt-get update | 11:15 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: that was the latest round of debian-installer build failures. | 11:15 | |
| seb128 | bzip2 was not installed | 11:15 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) fixed by upgrading apt to the current version | 11:16 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) right. | 11:16 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) 0.5.30ubuntu1 Depends: bzip2 | 11:16 | |
| mvo_ | ah, great | 11:16 |
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| === lamont_r is unsure why python-gtk2 is bad-md5sum... | ||
| seb128 | should not, I've not changed the orig.tar.gz in hoary | 11:18 |
| seb128 | jdub: around ? | 11:19 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: and bug filed with debian | 11:34 | |
| mvo_ | lamont_r: about the bzip2? | 11:35 |
| mvo_ | it's not yet in debian apt IIRC | 11:36 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) yes | 11:36 | |
| mvo_ | I wrote it yesterday I think | 11:36 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Why install postfix at all ? Procmail would do the same job. | 11:36 | |
| === lamont_r snickers | ||
| mvo_ | or the day before maybe | 11:36 |
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| mvo_ | isn't that cool? we file bugs before they even can happen ;) | 11:37 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: I figured it was mdz's package, with a debian-native version number, so _must_ be in debian, right? | 11:41 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) except that the bug is in .30, and debian has .27... oops. | 11:41 | |
| mvo_ | yeah | 11:44 |
| mvo_ | he will merge the stuff pretty soon I guess | 11:44 |
| mvo_ | IIRC there is nothing ubuntu specific in the diffs | 11:45 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) well, he has to get back from vacation first. :-) | 11:45 | |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) or whatever he's doing that he's away from the computer... | 11:45 | |
| mvo_ | heh :) he'll be back on monday I think? | 11:46 |
| (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) yeah | 11:46 | |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: here | 11:51 | |
| seb128 | jdub: could you comment on #3871 :) | 11:52 |
| seb128 | +? | 11:52 |
| seb128 | I don't remember exactly the details of what we have decided about this | 11:52 |
| pitti | Kamion: still here? | 11:53 |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: definitely no template files by default | 11:53 | |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: as discussed on list | 11:53 | |
| (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: actually seeding the directories... undecided. :) | 11:54 | |
| pitti | daniels: here? | 11:54 |
| daniels | sup | 11:54 |
| daniels | ah, yeah | 11:54 |
| daniels | wanted to talk to you about the CAN stuff | 11:54 |
| daniels | it appears CAN 0914(?) is relevant to our xfree86 update (sigh; I explicitly asked if there was a new one, and was told no) | 11:55 |
| seb128 | jdub: ok, so no decision about if/where ~/Templates should be created ... | 11:57 |
| seb128 | jdub: thanks | 11:57 |
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