[12:01] I'd rather see a "patch to make Replaces work the way it intuitively should" before anything dealing with :"teaching people what Conflicts means". :) [12:02] (ie: if I install B, then A, and B replaces A, the file overlaps should select the file from B, not A) [12:03] if B replaces A and you install B first and the A you get a file conflict [12:04] I think what infinity is trying to describe is the fact that dpkg doesn't back-depend [12:04] A depends B > 2.0 [12:04] install A and B 2.0 [12:04] install B 1.0 [12:04] works [12:04] hum ? no, doesn't work [12:04] sure it does [12:05] try it :p [12:05] seb128: mind you, it _shouldn't_... [12:05] I mean with apt it doesn't work :) [12:05] I've not tried with dpkg, but I believe you :p [12:05] dunno about APT, that's mdz's toy [12:05] but dpkg will let you do that [12:06] because it only considers the dependencies of the packages you've given it to process [12:06] Keybuk : No, I'm talking actual replaces. [12:06] it doesn't go through the system and check that previously-installed packages' dependencies aren't broken [12:06] infinity: it's the same bug [12:06] when you install A, it doesn't go through the system to see if anything Replaces it. [12:06] Ahh, yeah. [12:06] Same bug probably, then. :) [12:07] Keybuk: so you're saying dpkg needs apt's dependency handeling logic [12:07] shaya: no idea whether apt's works or not [12:07] I first noticed it when I used to run Woody systems with the "dselect" package installed from an old sid snapshot. [12:08] If you reinstalled dpkg.deb, it would overwrite /usr/bin/dselect, despite 'dselect' replacing 'dpkg'. [12:08] yup [12:08] (Which was irritating, because the newer dselect sucked a lot less) [12:09] BTW time to sleep [12:09] 'night everybody [12:09] nite dude === mvo_ [~Michael@suprimo-211.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] sleep? === shaya tries to figure out where seb128 is [12:10] France. [12:10] 5 hours ahead? [12:10] or 6? [12:11] 1 hour ahead [12:11] UTC+1, so it's 00:10 here now. [12:11] it's 0:11 over here (and in france too) [12:13] Keybuk: I'm an imperialistic washington, DC native, so hence 6 hours ahead (as DC is the center of the world, or so they brainw, I mean taught us as kids) [12:13] with such geography, it's amazing the Merkins get *anywhere* [12:14] shaya: giving relative time references based on anything else than UTC gives people headaches. :) [12:14] Mithrandir: but they taught us that EST was the real universal time :) [12:14] the Earth is a *spheroid* ... the centre is roughly the same distance from everywhere in a downward direction [12:15] Keybuk: give or take a few clicks, yes. :) [12:15] you can only be "the centre of the world" if you're in a notably crackful, but rather fun, blockbuster of a few years ago [12:16] Keybuk: do you put it pass GWB to try and get there just to say it? [12:16] hmm, just noticed, those initials are also used for the George Washington Bridge [12:16] maybe that's where he was conceived :) [12:16] "My fellow Umbrella-stands. I have decidified to embark on a great and dangerous journey to the centrofold of the Earth." === lamont_r wanders off for a bit === Crushed_Cigar [~zinc@ACC5649A.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gicmo [~gicmo@pD9545227.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] 'evening [01:36] yo gicmo [01:37] sladen: around? === gicmo is closely reading https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash [01:41] gicmo: when sladen is around, we should ask him where it's at :) [01:41] jdub: he's awake === jdub sends an ICBK in sladen's direction [01:43] you can't put parameters in /etc/modules, can you? [01:43] no [01:43] that's a bummer [01:43] actually, I like [01:43] I lie too [01:43] you can [01:43] oh! [01:44] ide-cd dma=1 [01:44] :) [01:44] echo "options ide-cd dma=1" > /etc/modprobe.d/ide-cd [01:45] would be more "robust", as it'd also ensure that option happened if hotplug or jdub loads it [01:45] ahr [01:51] gicmo: evening [01:53] sladen, it's almost 2pm here so morning would be better ;) [01:53] sladen, I definitly wanna help out with the graphical boot stuff (I just switched over from fedora and I really miss it) :) === spotter [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] gicmo: your welcome to help and join in (we'd like your ideas too) [01:56] jdub: I wish there were a way of having separate volumes [01:56] so rather than all this "PCM" nonsense, you just set the volume for gaim, the volume for rhythmbox [01:56] btw .. I took me 3 hours to get acpi up and running here .. :( [01:56] then you can have loud music, without BRING!(*"($*!"&*$!&$*(!"$_$ every time you get a message [01:57] gicmo: there was some code written at the last conference, which I promised I'd package up for the #debsplash guys [01:58] sladen, ahh some code is always a good starting point ;) === spotter is now known as shaya === moyogo [~moyogo@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp78413.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] Ok, blog updated .. [02:33] checking mail and then to bed .. damn its 2.30 am already .. [02:41] 'nigh === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont3 [~adam@67.161.37.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:55] daniels/fabbione around? === lamont3 grumbles, kicks xserver-xorg, sends the nice user to the other room to get the mdetect-loving monitor [02:56] bbiab === FTTP [FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === moyogo [~moyogo@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp78413.qc.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] interesthing thing I've noticed. If you do set a root password, many things that ask you for a root password don't take it, but want your user password (ala sudo) [04:37] i know why you do sudo, but it seems once a root password is set all those things are buggy, as they do ask for the root password [04:38] for example, run aptitude as a regular user, it asks for the "root" password [04:40] that's unrelated to whether you have a root password set or not [04:41] we just didn't bother fixing it to use sudo === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] lo jdub [04:53] morning tseng [05:01] jdub: confused? [05:01] aptitude does use sudo [05:01] but it asks for root password [05:01] so root password doesnt work [05:01] need to use user password [05:05] sounds like it wasn't a fully fixed bug, then [05:07] so it's something I should file? [05:11] there was a bug filed and closed [05:11] reopened it === steved [~steve@static24-72-77-242.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] jdub: you around? [06:01] yeah [06:01] the Ubuntu in a Nutshell [06:02] what are you looking for in it [06:02] ah [06:02] long discussion [06:02] i'll mail ubuntu-doc or you or something [06:02] ok, have you seen our book outline? [06:02] bits, haven't investigated a lot [06:02] seems different to the nutshell goals [06:03] right, if you could mail me what you are looking for [06:03] hornbeck at freeshell dot org [06:03] thanks === winkle_ [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === steve [~steve@static24-72-77-242.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [~kyle@CPE0030ab0b413b-CM023469906297.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisa [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maswan [maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu [~amu@195.71.9.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@lxsrv1.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle_ is now known as winkle === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:32] morning guys [08:34] Hi fabbione! [08:41] hornbeck: 'what is sudo', 'why did they rename kernel-sources', 'I heard mp3 ain't legal, where do I get my warez?' === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-78.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] morning [09:24] pitti: could you check the new device-removable.sh script to see if i haven't done anything stupid [09:25] Hi sjoerd [09:25] yes, I can [09:25] From a quick glance it seems that you do something similar as pmount [09:25] sjoerd: do you have the file at hand somewhere? [09:25] no svn checkout ? [09:26] sjoerd: svn checkout lasts so long... [09:26] sjoerd: okay, I'll check it out [09:26] :) [09:27] alioth is somewhat overloaded it seems.... [09:27] sjoerd: debian/patches looks nice again :-) [09:27] sjoerd: and I suppose with your merges the Ubuntu version shouldn't look much worse [09:28] you mean in gvm ? there were no changes in hal's debian/patches [09:31] no, I actually meant hal [09:31] Ubuntu's debian/patches in hal is pretty crowded now [09:31] ah right [09:31] I looked at the script, but it is too complex for me to be able to say yes or no after two minutes :-) [09:32] you have somewhat more time [09:32] I will scrutinize it more thoroughly after I fixed samba [09:32] k [09:32] just want to be sure that stupid things are out of it before i sent it to md [09:32] my shell programming skills suck [09:33] btw, do you publish the orig.tar.gz tarballs somewhere? [09:33] for PostgreSQL I just put them into the top repository directory [09:33] pitti: why did you put ubuntu-storage-policy.fdi in /etc instead patching the one in /usr/share [09:34] without tarball.mk it's just the upstream tarball [09:34] sjoerd: because I want the users actually be able to customize it [09:34] sjoerd: changes in /usr/share are lost on next upgrade [09:35] ok, but the can always put something like this in /etc [09:35] sjoerd: and I think it is nicer to give users something to change, instead of urging them to write a conffile from scratch [09:35] so it's more an example [09:35] k, good point [09:35] sjoerd: hmm, I don't insist on my solution [09:35] sjoerd: if you want to adopt the change for Debian as well, I don't need the etc file any more [09:35] sjoerd: if you want to keep 2GB, fine for m [09:35] me [09:36] i was gonna put an example in /etc anyway, to show how people can indicate that gvm shouldn't automount certain drives [09:36] sjoerd: but at least you need the patch to set correct values for the flags [09:37] yeah [09:37] didn't check the differences yet (except for the 1gb and 2gb difference) === sjoerd couldn't care less if it's 1 or 2 gb [09:38] sjoerd: the key difference is that the original fdi only sets sync to true if < 2 GB [09:38] sjoerd: but that is pmount's default anyway; you need to set sync to false explicitly [09:38] sjoerd: same for noatime [09:39] ah [09:40] i can patch the system fdi for the rigth flags.. and also put this commented out in a preferences.fdi [09:40] just to show how to easily do it === lamont_r [~lamont@c-24-6-251-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] i was planning to do that for the automount hint anyway [09:40] sjoerd: this would be nice [09:41] sjoerd: then I could revert the Ubuntu patch [09:41] yeah and we can still change the default easily, as it's in /usr/share [09:42] oh cool.. kay send a patch to let udev handle all the hotplug stuff [09:51] sjoerd: i. e. the unmounting? [09:52] uhm no, what /sbin/hotplug now does.. but then done by udev [09:52] which gives you better serialisation among other things [09:52] sjoerd: oh, everything? Including module loading, file parsing etc. [09:53] sjoerd: hmm, this essentially means to merge the udev and hotplug sources, I suppose [09:53] sjoerd: but it certainly looks nicer to have one less item in the chain [09:53] udev did already the same thing for the most part [09:53] sjoerd: udev did not load modules AFAIK [09:54] however, sounds nice [09:54] I hope that all the upstream and Debian maintainers agree on this [09:55] should fix some races here and there [09:56] dunno, it makes more sense that way.. so i think it's hard for the debian people not to agree [10:01] from the technical perspective they surely agree, but the hotplug maintainer will lose his baby... :-) === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] Hi daniels === __daniel [~daniel@td9091c04.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __daniel [~daniel@td9091c04.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:21] pitti: morning === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] Hey, I just became "uncle"! :-)) [10:30] My sister got a little daughter === pitti jumps for joy [10:31] congratulations [10:31] pitti:that's awesome :o) [10:32] lulu: Yeah! Unfortunately my sister lives 700 km away, so it will take a while until I actually see her [10:32] pitti: have to live with digital pics via email :o( [10:35] daniels: 3614 <- [10:36] morning folks [10:36] hey Kamion [10:36] Hi Kamion === egon__ [~egon@suprimo-217.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] mvo__: growing tails? :-)) [10:42] tsss :) [10:45] fabbione: got it, thanks [10:50] daniels: what about uploading xorg? ;) [10:50] my sparc already hates you :P [10:51] heh [10:51] so just put it in not-for-us for the time being [10:51] but yeah, I'll do xorg this morning [10:51] nah that's ok.. it needs to build xfree86 first [10:51] i forgot to tell sbuild to not die for inactivity [10:51] and it killed the build right in the middle of it === elmo [~james@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] heh! whoops === rburton [~ross@84.12.27.219] has joined #ubuntu-devel === steve [~steve@static24-72-77-242.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [~kyle@CPE0030ab0b413b-CM023469906297.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisa [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maswan [maswan@kennedy.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu [~amu@195.71.9.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem [~mbanck@lxsrv1.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nmf [~nmf@213.30.75.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] fabbione: i'm going to go with a full (security + your crack) upload [11:17] daniels: ok [11:17] if mdz will say something i will take that responsability [11:17] simply because I've been busy enough with triage, other distro stuff, taking tuesday off, etc, that I haven't had time to properly finish all of my stuff [11:17] cool [11:17] but you will take the responsability for the broken crap [11:18] 10:17 < fabbione> if mdz will say something i will take that responsability [11:18] say something about what? [11:19] Kamion: mixing a security upload to hoary, together with other bug fixes [11:19] (enter Kamion!) [11:19] for hoary I shouldn't think there'd be a problem with that [11:19] Kamion: uploading 6.8.1-1ubuntu3 with libxpm fix + other random stuff [11:19] ok, cool [11:19] Kamion: exactly my idea [11:19] ounds ill [11:20] ? === Astharot [~isager@82.52.98.133] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] also because i don't see any point in pushing foo 1.0-2 with the security and 10 minutes later -3 with all the other crack [11:20] quite so [11:21] Kamion: 'sounds ill' -> 'delightful! my people shall make it so' === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-228.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] Hi seb128! [11:22] daniels: thanks for the British translation ;-) [11:22] hey [11:22] Kamion: i'm here to help, dude [11:22] Kamion: but after hearing some British music, I'm unsure about my translations [11:23] haha [11:23] 'dude am I ever pissed off' -> 'GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, WAPPERS DO' might be more appropriate, it seems :P [11:23] (sed's fixed now, right?) [11:23] wappers? === azeem never understood that word in the song [11:24] Kamion: goldie lookin chain [11:24] Kamion: keybuk's not subjected you to that? [11:24] nope [11:24] oh he doesn't have it does he? [11:24] Kamion: the origin of WOO WOO SUMMON THE POLICE [11:25] Kamion: sort of welsh/northern rap [11:25] summon? [11:25] daniels: terrifying [11:25] azeem: when you summon someone, you get them [11:25] Kamion: but hillariously funny :) [11:25] ok, but KRS-1 had that as 'sound of da police', no? [11:25] daniels: have you heard "guns don't kill people, wabbits do" by elma fudd === Astharot [~isager@82.52.98.133] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] rburton: no, but I've heard Kinnison mumbling it :) [11:26] azeem: dunno, don't listen to much krs stuff [11:26] but anyway, we're *desperately* offtopic here [11:27] bah === rburton decides he needs more Herbalizer [11:34] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-4-93.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib64', which is also in package xorg-driver-synaptics === robtaylor [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] Kamion: /usr/X11R6/lib64?!? [11:36] daniels: can you just install stuff in /usr/X11R6/lib/ please? [11:36] daniels: base-files installs a symlink, you install a directory ... === daniels *stares* at xorg-driver-synaptics. [11:36] probably didn't break until base-files got upgraded [11:37] Kamion: unintentional, I assure you [11:37] np [11:37] just broke my upgrade, that's all :) === daniels summons the poli-ice. [11:40] woo! woo! === _rene_ [~rene@dsl-082-082-060-232.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] <_rene_> pitti: ping [11:42] _rene_: pong [11:42] _rene_: Hi, how are you? [11:42] <_rene_> pitti: you may be interested in contribution to the current discussion of debian-openoffice wrt tasksel / OOo's l10n pkgs [11:42] <_rene_> pitti: the depends _is_ needed. I outlined why [11:42] <_rene_> pitti: maybe we could do it a conflicts to the older version [11:42] <_rene_> pitti: fine, thanks [11:42] <_rene_> s/do/make/ [11:43] _rene_: I did this conflicts to older/newer versions in the mozilla locale packages, works fine [11:43] <_rene_> args, the reassigning failed [11:43] <_rene_> so it's not on -openoffice yet ;-) [11:43] _rene_: is this possible in the template? [11:44] <_rene_> er, blah [11:44] <_rene_> I need coffe [11:44] <_rene_> it is on -openoffice [11:44] Enjoy it :-) [11:44] <_rene_> pitti: we could do in control.lang.in, yes [11:44] _rene_: this would be nice [11:45] _rene_: conflicting to older and newer versions should basically do the same as a Depends to a particular version [11:45] _rene_: are there any other difficulties apart from mixed versions? [11:45] <_rene_> not that I know of [11:46] <_rene_> one of the majjor problems is when you want -y [11:46] <_rene_> wou *need* 1.1.3 oo.o and oo.o-bin [11:46] <_rene_> erm [11:46] <_rene_> 1.1.2 [11:46] <_rene_> since only there the definitiions needed are added [11:46] <_rene_> but otherwise I see no problems except them not being removed when wanting to remove openoffice.org ;-) [11:49] ooh, http://www.klika.si/ziga/bootchart/bootchart-rhgbfix.png is sweet [11:50] _rene_: if you remove the language pack as well, it will be removed [11:50] _rene_: this is exactly what we want [11:51] <_rene_> yes, but I currently am thinking only about tasksel and sarge ;-) [11:51] Kamion: new xorg-driver-synaptics in my upload queue in chinstrap [11:53] <_rene_> as I said I am no ubuntu dev, but as you would profit from that Conflicts: sttuff too I tell you ;-) === _rene_ doesnt like that important debian people get lesser time for releasing sarge while working on ubuntu... [11:55] _rene_: it's just the same as work [11:55] _rene_: when my job hacking on X fired up, I had no time for Debian [11:55] _rene_: if you need to work long hours in a supermarket, or at a bakery, you don't always have time for Debian [11:56] _rene_: seriously, people are only noticing more because it's another free software project [11:56] <_rene_> ah, and why don't we still have all testing-security stuff complete? when elmo now has time to do Debian stuff? (elmo: nothing personal) [11:56] _rene_: In fact I'm now able to put more work to Debian as before [11:56] _rene_: this is off-topic here, really [11:57] <_rene_> daniels started it, I just tought [12:02] _rene_: don't be ridiculous, of course it's pesonal. you're pretending like I'm the only person in the world who can fix testing-security which blatently isn't true. [12:02] <_rene_> elmo: no. just that you and ryan can do that [12:03] <_rene_> elmo: as far as I know [12:03] _rene_: bzzt [12:03] and Ryan (and two of the three others) don't work for Canonical\ [12:04] elmo: have I got half an hour on concordia? [12:04] <_rene_> anyway, this really wasn't meant personal [12:04] elmo: python-gtk2 sync please [12:04] <_rene_> this was just an example where an important person looks like he doesn't have time to do this [12:04] _rene_: it's still off-topic. [12:05] _rene_: dude, if you make it personal, it doesn't matter how many times you say "it's not personal" [12:05] <_rene_> yes [12:05] <_rene_> smurfix: but since daniels and elmo responded... [12:05] if you want to make it not personal, stop talking about me when it's not actually all on me [12:05] <_rene_> elmo: 't insult you personally [12:06] seb128: done [12:06] thanks :) [12:06] <_rene_> elmo: Itf it wold be personally I would have somethking like "James Troup doesn't do ...." [12:06] _rene_: doesn't change the fact that it isn't. Now please take it elsewhere. [12:06] elmo: please sync apache 1.3.33-2 from sid [12:06] <_rene_> I would call it misunderstanding [12:06] daniels: dude, don't even ask - it's a port box, as long as it's work related, do what you want [12:06] if I need the machine exclusively, you wouldn't even be able to login ;-) [12:07] elmo: heh :) ok, cheers [12:07] <_rene_> smurfix: I am in here to coordinate OOo stuff. [12:08] <_rene_> smurfix: when daniels and elmo respond I think I should be able to re-respond [12:08] fabbione: you don't have to ask me to sync stuff without 'ubuntu' in the version in hoary - it'll sync as soon as it reaches a mirror [12:08] <_rene_> anyway, this now seems to have settled down [12:08] elmo: oh ok.. [12:10] elmo: how often (~changes/day) does the Packages file change currently in warty/hoary? [12:11] <_rene_> hi mvo__ [12:11] mvo: hard to tell at the moment - due to ia64 uploading packages 24/7 [12:11] hi _rene_ [12:11] mvo: but in theory, up to every 30 mins [12:12] elmo: arggggss, that's a lot. how often in debian? how often (roughtly) in warty? [12:12] mvo: debian is once a day [12:13] warty, I dunno, it's no 48, but it's a lot, I'd WAG at 20+ [12:13] err, not warty, hoary [12:13] warty is like, never, except for the odd warty-security update and the incredibly rare warty-updates update [12:14] all right, thanks. I'm still toying with the Packages.gz diff idea [12:14] mvo__: you could just ignore our insane update speed for that - we probably won't be able to sustain it forever === herzi [~herzi@d023247.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Astharot [~isager@www.zone-h.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] elmo: why not? [12:15] :) it would be cool for ubuntu/stable and debian then [12:16] fabbione: more arches, bigger archives, more distributions, etc. [12:16] and it encourages mirrors/users to sync more often, which hurts the master etc. [12:16] elmo: how far are we from the limit? [12:16] (of the 30 minutes) [12:17] fabbione: quite away at the moment - don't worry, it's not changing in the next month or anything [12:17] I'm just saying, it's not something I think we should guarantee we'll do indefinitely [12:18] elmo: i understand.. [12:18] also switching from 30 minutes to 2 hours would be more than sane imho [12:19] daniels: thanks [12:23] seb128: you around? [12:23] yes [12:23] why ? [12:23] seb128: just one simple question.. is the default gdm config always shipped by the package or is it generated? [12:24] what do you mean by "generated" ? like debconf questions to create it ? [12:24] no, that's shipped by the package [12:24] generated => maintainer script presumably [12:25] ok [12:25] thanks [12:25] np [12:25] fabbione: 2 hours> the current interval is absolutely fantastic when you're trying to get something fixed in a hurry, as I often have to do [12:25] you would like to make some changes ? [12:28] Kamion: i fully agree with the current interval, but if we will reach the limit we will need to go one step higher.. to let say one hour.... [12:28] but i think we can easily live with 2 hours + manual elmo's black magic if the s**t hit the fan [12:29] btw, you guys do source-only uploads, right? === gicmo [~gicmo@pD9E59913.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] azeem: yes [12:29] all the time? [12:29] yes [12:29] thanks [12:29] azeem: still this doesn't exclude that you need to check your package before uploading [12:29] and bla bla bla... === Astharot [~isager@www.zone-h.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] seb128: no thanks.. there is no need to modify anything [12:31] seb128: i would be more glad if you will tell me in advance when there will be changes (if any) [12:32] fabbione: heh, sure [12:32] it should apply cleanly, at least ;) [12:32] fabbione: ok [12:32] azeem: lol === martink [~martin@pD9EB3CF8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] carlos: Hi! [12:49] pitti: morning! [12:49] carlos: morning is good - it's lunchtime [12:50] pitti: I just wake up :-P [12:50] so, it's morning here [12:50] ;-) [12:50] hey carlos === George^Deka [~george@228.c.012.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] seb128: dude, you should confirm your flight to matar or I will be alone in the hotel :-) [12:55] oups, sorry, I've forgotten the jabber window on a desktop the other day [12:55] and noticed some hours after that [12:55] I've confirmed it, just not updated the wiki [12:56] ;-) [12:57] carlos: hey :) [12:57] robtaylor: hey! [12:57] carlos: i'll be coming to mataro :) paid for my my work :) [12:58] robtaylor: cool! [12:58] robtaylor: which days? [12:58] carlos: 9th till the 13th i think === robtaylor checks [12:59] carlos: yep, land in barcelona 16:35 on thursday, and leave 22:70 on monday [12:59] s/22:70/2155 [01:00] i thought that looked wrong =) [01:00] carlos: so hows the accessd going. did you give some thought to the black box idea? [01:01] robtaylor: I was talking with gst's maintainer [01:01] and he agree on the idea [01:01] carlos: gst? [01:01] gnome system tools [01:01] ah :) === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] but I was not able to finish the prototype this weekend [01:02] cool. i bought a new laptop yesterday so i could start working on stuff again, but the hd was b0rked :( [01:04] :-( [01:05] yeah, luckily i got it from a shop so i'll get them to replace it.. i just hope it is the hd and not the controller :( [01:05] carlos: didi you get much done on the prototype? [01:06] robtaylor: nothing about dbus yet, I was playing with pygtk and did the login dialog, nothing more [01:07] carlos: hmm, the login dialog is another executable, remember ;) [01:07] I know, but part of the system [01:07] :-) [01:07] carlos: dude, gst=gstreamer :) [01:07] I was working on the dialog <-> daemon communication [01:07] seb128: nor really :-) [01:08] seb128: both have the same letters [01:08] carlos: should just be done over stdout/stdin [01:08] robtaylor: that was my first attempt but I was getting mad with that because it didn't worked until I close the pipe [01:08] so I moved to unix sockets [01:08] carlos: definitly should just be inherited pipes.. [01:09] for max security [01:09] robtaylor: as I said, I did it [01:09] but It didn't worked [01:09] I need a two ways channel [01:09] and I was using two pipes [01:10] but it always got blocked [01:10] carlos: why do you need 2 way channel? [01:10] just get the cleinet to send login: passwd: when its finished [01:12] robtaylor: the server needs to tell the helper daemon if it's right or not [01:15] carlos: hmm, ok, well i'll take a look at the code when i have a moment - it *should* be possible to do it with pipes [01:15] robtaylor: if you get it working with pipes, It's perfect [01:17] 'morning [01:18] can somebody please verify this: there's no character-pick applet un gnome-applets 2.9.1-0ubuntu1 [01:19] herzi, seems like I dont have one here .. [01:19] k [01:19] looks like a missing build dependency [01:20] gar. nice way to quasi-DOS a machine, fill it's /tmp with so much crap it takes eons to boot [01:22] elmo: yeah [01:23] damn. I don't even get to shout at anyone - the directories seem to be owned by me :( [01:23] elmo: well, if you're really upset at yourself, you could slice yourself up [01:23] the datacentre equivalent of seppuku [01:26] seb128: do you think you can create somekind of patch to disable the XKeepcrashing from gdm as a argument switch? [01:26] fabbione: yeah, that should be easy to do [01:26] why does X fail to start on the 441? [01:26] or as a config oprion like NoXKeepCrashing [01:26] daniels: no that's not the case [01:28] seb128: the config option would be the best solution [01:28] seb128: either to accept the fact that there is no XKeepCrashing [01:29] ok [01:29] hum, I've to go for lunch [01:29] seb128: or a special option that disables it [01:29] so do i :-) [01:29] i don't need it right away... [01:29] so don't worry :) [01:29] there is no hurry I guess, I'll think about it during lunch :) [01:29] later [01:29] bon apetit [01:36] jdub, ping === herz1 [~herzi@d023247.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d023247.adsl.hansenet.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [01:40] oh. my. god. could linux-source-2.6.8.1 take _any_ longer to build? :/ [01:40] elmo: could be worse, it could be OOo [01:42] I'm pretty sure it's worse than oo.o [01:42] seriously? [01:42] that's impressive [01:42] oh, no, it's about the half the time,but still [01:42] linux-source-2.6.8.1: 01:55:16 (5 entries, sigma 01:08:07) [01:43] daniels: ok after lunch :-) [01:43] openoffice.org: 03:59:50 (1 entry, sigma 00:00:00) [01:43] OOo isn't that bad, gcc is worse, iirc. [01:43] anyway, lunch.. [01:43] fabbione: thanks [01:43] daniels: no problem [01:43] elmo: a sigma of one hour is bloody much, though. [01:45] db_set xserver-xfree86/config/device/driver nvidia [01:45] db_set xserver-xorg/config/device/driver nvidia [01:45] this won't work [01:45] you need to setup a var for the server you are using [01:45] and change that to xserver-${SERVER} [01:46] debconf will kill the script if there is no template [01:46] ah ok, will do [01:47] daniels: it's the same reason why we set +e in the data migration loop [01:47] fabbione: try that [01:48] daniels: i would also do in a slightly different way. [01:48] how so [01:48] you assume that either one or the other server is installed [01:48] but you you might have one in a non purge state [01:49] you assume that either one or the other server is installed and the other purged (sorry) [01:49] mmm, fair point [01:49] that's why I put the test for xorg first though [01:50] if xorg.conf is there and they're running XFree86, they've downgraded [01:50] in which case -- both pieces === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] daniels: remember that xserver doesn't purge the config if it has been customized [02:10] so don't rely only on the fact that the config is there [02:11] i think you can check using /var/lib/xfree86/{server}.roaster or md5sum [02:13] bah [02:13] it's a pretty good guess [02:13] if they've purged a server, nvidia-glx-config isn't going to do them much good anyway :P [02:24] yay, Manoj merged the kernel-package stem patch === Kamion goes mergy mergy [02:26] Kamion: that sounds awfully like 'bouncey bouncey' [02:26] (emphasis on 'awful') [02:32] daniels: xorg-driver-synaptics failed to build [02:33] Kamion: ?!? [02:33] let me hit the logs up [02:33] dh_installdocs [02:33] cp: cannot stat `changelog': No such file or directory [02:33] interesting. [02:33] yeah [02:34] how incredibly bizzare [02:48] sabdfl ping === herzi [~herzi@d044154.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] elmo: please resync xemacs21 to Debian [02:51] doh [02:51] did something happended to our theme? [02:51] all of a sudden gdm decided to gimme back the original one with the big yellow flower [02:54] Can someone please proofread https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/usn-samba.txt ? TIA [02:54] "writing access" => "write access" [02:55] pitti: Whom do I ask for access? elmo? [02:55] otherwise looks ok to me [02:55] Kamion: fixed, thanks for review [02:55] Kamion: I'll publish the thing now [02:56] Kamion: I think it is okay to give smurfix the chinstrap web password, what do you think? [02:56] Kamion: he's now an approved developer [02:57] pitti: ask elmo, please, I don't know the policy [02:57] smurfix: please ask elmo [02:57] seb128: #3833> should we just sync to the Debian version then? [02:57] I noticed ;-) === jdz_ [~jdz@69.49.156.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] smurfix: /me likes to play parrot :-) [02:58] Kamion: no, we have a bunch of extra changes [02:59] Kamion: I don't get the point to spend 1 hour to merge the changes in the debian package for nothing ... I'm missing something ot that's ok ? [02:59] seb128: at least merging the changelog would be good so that we can tell that without looking at the bug, then [02:59] there are benefits to being able to determine this sort of thing automatically [02:59] statistics over the whole distribution, etc. [02:59] statistics ? [03:00] how many packages are completely merged with Debian [03:00] Keybuk said it's not needed yesterday [03:00] I shall have to talk with Keybuk when he arrives, then [03:00] Kamion: in we want to merge the package it'll take ... say 1 hour, there is 5-6 patch to add to the debian package ... to get nothing out of the fact to be based on the debian package [03:01] that's wasting 1 hour imho [03:01] why does it take so long if everything in the Ubuntu package is in the Debian one? [03:01] sorry, other way round I mean [03:01] IMO if you don't want to do it you should leave the bug open, but *shrug* [03:01] remember that this sort of thing is going to provide vital clues to Malone in the future [03:02] it is not a no-op [03:02] but there is no point to let it open, we don't need anything from the debian package [03:02] you need the changelog so that Malone can have a clue how the versions interrelate [03:02] why does it take time ? Because apt-get source the debian package, start adding ubuntu patches, review the diff to extra stuff not added in debian/patches but directly changed, build, test ... [03:03] easy to spend 20min (1hour is perhaps too much yes) [03:03] I realise that it's essentially just bookkeeping, but this sort of bookkeeping is going to keep us sane in the future [03:04] if you don't want to merge the packaging but just the changelogs, that's fine by me [03:04] hum [03:04] daniels: moo? [03:04] what's useful in the changelog ? [03:04] although maybe not, it isn't really a descendant [03:04] you have obviously never attempted to implement a version-tracking BTS. I have. :-) [03:05] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.1.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [03:05] trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib64', which is also in package xorg-driver-synaptics [03:05] Mithrandir: told daniels about it earlier, he's fixing [03:05] ok, goodie [03:05] seb128: probably best not to merge the changelog without merging the packaging, actually ... [03:05] Kamion: still time to merge when that will be useful ... [03:06] seb128: the useful bit in the changelog is that it's the only possible reliable way to tell that one version of a package is based on any given other version [03:06] Kamion: we could spare a bunch of useless merges before this time and use that time for useful work :) === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] Kamion: the ubuntu package is not based on the debian version, it was here before ... [03:06] true [03:07] well, like I say, I simply disagree with closing the bug, that's all, I'm not telling you to do it now [03:07] there are plenty of bugs in bugzilla that it's not worth fixing yet [03:07] I know, I'm closing it because we don't need to merge it imho [03:07] but let me know if I'm wrong [03:08] as said, I've already talked about this with Scott yesterday [03:08] we should have a clear line about what we want to do :) [03:08] fundamentally I guess it depends whether you want to diverge GNOME forever from Debian or not [03:08] I've no problem with merging for bookkeeping if that's useful, I just thought it was not needed [03:09] Kamion: I include debian changes when they happen in fact, not need to be based on a debian version to do this [03:09] for example, if Debian applies some fix to a patch that's also in the Ubuntu package, it will be easier to tell that automatically if the packaging is similar [03:09] and Debian's GNOME will always be late, so I don't know when we can merge [03:10] I realise that you can handle it now, but we need to not be relying on the heroism of individuals :-) [03:10] true [03:10] the same goes for me and debian-installer, to some extent ... [03:10] anyway, I'll talk to Scott [03:10] the main difference with GNOME is that we have 2.9 and debian 2.8 [03:11] taking 2.8 packages to redo 2.9 ... === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] oh, sure, but that doesn't mean that there won't be say a security patch that applies to both, and we could derive benefit from being able to detect that more automatically [03:12] GNOME packages only have patches in debian/patches [03:12] that should not be hard to detect automatically [03:12] (actually it's harder than any other type of package right now, isn't it? I didn't think Scott's merge-o-matic knew how to handle it at all [03:12] ) [03:12] and no, with respect, I disagree, debian/patches/ is not a panacea [03:13] what's the problem with debian/patches ? [03:13] one example: take the debian packages for gdm and figure what changes are in it with the .diff.gz, good luck ... [03:13] can Scott's merge-o-matic deal with new patches being applied in Debian that are named differently to an Ubuntu patch but that contain the same changeset? [03:14] let's not have the monolithic vs. debian/patches argument again, I'm not trying to argue that [03:14] good question, I don't know [03:14] I understand that it cannot [03:14] which may not affect you with GNOME, but which affects everyone else [03:15] let's wait for Scott and talk with him about all this [03:15] ok [03:16] if the merge-o-matic knew how to handle your type of packaging, it could probably just spit out a source package that you could upload rather than you having to merge by hand, anyway [03:16] that's what most of the other distro team people are dealing with right now. [03:17] yeah [03:19] it could compare md5sums first perhaps, but that does not catch whitespace/indentation issues of course === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] Mithrandir: moo! === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] daniels: kamion had already prodded you, he said -- xorg-synaptics-driver is b0rken on amd64. [03:21] Mithrandir: yeah, just finished lunch [03:22] uploading in a sec [03:22] goodie [03:23] there, have a new xorg while I'm at it [03:28] debian/patches/000_stolen_from_patches.diff (taken from === fabbione hits daniels [03:28] i mean.. we have like: stolen_from_HEAD.diff === fabbione sighs [03:29] Maybe he has a dog named "patches" who wrote the patch? [03:29] infinity: that would be mostlikely named: stolen_from_DOG.diff [03:29] Never attribute to malice that which you can attribute in a contrived, roundabout way, to pets. [03:36] fabbione: it's not committed to HEAD, so putting it in stolen_from_HEAD is misleading [03:37] fabbione: it was taken from www.x.org/pub/X11R6.8.1/patches, as I said in the header, so that seemed the most sensible thing to put [03:37] yeah eayh :-)) [03:37] btw.. when do you expect to have cvs back online? [03:42] dunno [03:42] still got ldap to finish tonight after i finish work [03:42] Did you find a CVS backup you're satisfied? [03:43] s/\?$/with\?/ [03:46] yeah, I've got one I'm satisfied with -- from the 15th of October [03:46] sigh [03:47] daniels: tell that's the one WITHOUT xprint :-) [03:47] heh [03:47] if only [03:47] daniels: this is a really really really ood opportunity [03:47] good even [03:47] well, I think the current best plan is to say 'right, here's your CVS on the 15th of October, here's your CVS on the 15th of November; do what you like with these two snapshots' [03:48] i have snapshots of a few projects' CVS roots from the 5th also [03:59] seb128: is it normal that gdm lost his ubuntu theme? [04:00] not [04:01] when ? [04:01] OH MY GOD IT'S STILL BUILDING [04:01] elmo: ... impressive [04:01] elmo: where are you building it? [04:01] i am not sure.. it was a while i didn't upgrade the machine [04:01] you know, I think that 2hour +figure is with a hot ccache === [Clint] is now known as Clint [04:01] fabbione: you have changed the gdm.conf file ? [04:02] I could have hand-edited the binary in this amount of time [04:02] daniels: adare [04:02] elmo: good god [04:02] seb128: yes but i didn't touch the Theme part [04:02] elmo: oh, that's with thirty-one flavours of sven crack, no? [04:02] perhaps you broke the structure somewhat [04:03] daniels: no, only 3 flavours, that's less than i386 [04:03] seb128: hmmm [04:03] elmo: oh [04:05] seb128: is there any automatic check i can use? === [Clint] [~c123p456@user-12hdtek.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] fabbione: not afaik === [Clint] [~c123p456@user-12hdtek.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@zul.developer.gentoo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] did you consider splitting up the web archives for, say, ubuntu-users to several pages? [04:08] elmo: are we going to get the customary triumphant salute when it finishes? :) [04:08] elmo: (wappers, not shaft) [04:13] seb128: yeah. it looks like something related to the config === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] Kamion: done [04:18] daniels: meh [04:19] seb128: it was a permission problem [04:19] ok === lamont_r [~lamont@c-24-6-251-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] elmo: ta [04:26] elmo: (you meant xemacs21, right?) [04:26] speaking of Sven, I have a Pegasos here [04:27] morning [04:28] Kamion: right [04:31] sed's fixed now right? [04:31] so I'm told, I haven't managed to actually test it myself though quite yet === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:elmo] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | archive.ubuntu.com going down briefly for reboot [04:32] there's a bizarre comment in #3771 suggesting that the current powerpc version is broken, which I want to test myself first === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-211-108.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-251-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] daniels/fabbione? [04:44] lamont_r: sup [04:44] s3 video chipset with ancient monitor + xorg or xf86 -> nfg [04:44] you want a log and config? [04:45] yes please [04:45] through BZ if you will [04:45] ok. gimme a bit [04:50] lamont_r: did you notice python_gtk2 failed to build? [04:50] because of a md5sum mismatch [04:50] fabbione: working through noticing lots of such things.... [04:51] ok === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:elmo] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals [04:53] fabbione: what's the state of ubuntu@sparc? [04:53] elmo: topicdiff? [04:54] Mithrandir: building phase0. almost everything as expected. [04:54] daniels: -archivr reboot [04:54] archive [04:54] fabbione: ok, anything I can help you with? [04:54] Mithrandir: Total 248 package(s) [04:54] left to build [04:54] Mithrandir: not yet i think [04:55] Mithrandir: until you don't want to setup a buildd :-) [04:55] ok, when is it ready for me to bootstrap off? [04:55] I have a few sparcs I want to get flying. [04:55] bah, sucks, if you install lilo and switch to grub, you don't get the nice menu.lst [04:55] Mithrandir: we will need to work on the installer sometimes after i pass phase1 [04:56] I have a small pile, as I said. Two 333MHz boxes, can get two 270MHz ones as well [04:56] ah, right [04:56] Mithrandir: right now i am building ubuntu on top of sid [04:56] _rene_: can you point me to where I can get the patch for #281643, or is RSN going to be in the next day or so? [04:56] _rene_: I want working Ubuntu CDs :-) [04:57] Mithrandir: finished this phase i need to manually sort out the dep-wait (like gnome2.8 and xorg) [04:57] Mithrandir: completed that phase, we need to rebuild all ubuntu on top of ubuntu [04:57] ok. [04:57] tell me when I can do something useful. [04:57] Mithrandir: right now only extra buildd's would help [04:58] if I set up Debian on the boxes, can you take it from there or do you want help running them as well? [04:58] Mithrandir: if you are up for them, we can make the setup sunday [04:58] <_rene_> Kamion: http://cvs.debian.org/oo-deb/debian/rules.diff?r1=1.241&r2=1.242&cvsroot=debian-openoffice [04:58] Mithrandir: i can take it from there, yes [04:58] Mithrandir: i will need some sudo access and stuff like that [04:58] <_rene_> Kamion: it will go in once I catch joeyh and change one thing more in the packages or not [04:58] obviously, and I will need to kill you if you do $stupid_stuff on the network. [04:59] fabbione: I'll see if I can get them netinstalled later today. [04:59] Mithrandir: other than scp'ing packages in/out.. no === wasabi [~jhaltom2@64.25.11.66] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:59] ah.. and a configured MTA [04:59] i need to get mail back from the buildd [04:59] but no need for me to send them [04:59] to it [04:59] fabbione: it's an academic network; copying shit is just fine. We won't notice until you start going >> 10MBit/sec. [05:00] ahah no way i can manage that from here [05:01] _rene_: hm, we have a forked version anyway, I might just apply that === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] fabbione: X11/Xauth.h not found. - what is nas missing? [05:18] lamont_r: libxau-dev [05:18] lamont_r: what exactly are you building?? [05:18] daniels: looking at the build logs (in this case, nas) [05:18] lamont_r: from yesterday daniles is your X guy :P [05:18] lamont_r: craaaaaaack. [05:18] daniels is my X-bitch. got it. === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-251-226.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:20] Build-Depends: xlibs-static-dev, libsm-dev, libice-dev, libx11-dev, libxt-dev, libxaw7-dev, xutils, bison, flex, file, po-debconf [05:20] oh, look. xlibs-static-dev. [05:20] sub out xlibs-static-dev [05:20] anything reverse-depending on xlibs-static will be broken, pretty much [05:21] (xlibs-static -> xlibs-static-{dev,pic}) [05:21] so file bugs and assign them to you. got it. [05:21] :-) [05:21] yeah, pretty much [05:21] but you get to fix this one :) [05:21] are they debian bugs, or just us [05:21] daniels: np [05:21] xlibs-static == xlibs-static-{dev,pic}, eh? [05:21] yes? [05:23] right [05:23] they're just us [05:29] daniels: 3860, btw. if I get a fix today then I can help the poor user when I next visit his house before I head home saturday.... [05:30] amu: *prod*? === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] lamont_r: lspci output? [05:31] hey all [05:31] lamont_r: it could well be one of the few cards which are unsupported in xfree86 4.x and above s3 [05:31] lamont_r: (try vesa) [05:36] daniels: not near the machine right now. [05:36] was s3 though for sure... [05:36] how does one "try vesa", just to be clueless and off-topic? [05:36] just change Driver "s3" to Driver "vesa" [05:36] and you might want to nuke the BusID while you're at it [05:36] doh === sladen [paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] lamont_r: are the amd64 buildds particularly clogged right now? === lamont_r looks [05:46] shouldn't be [05:47] lamont_r: is xlibs mis-behaving in hoary today? [05:47] ironwolf: nah - it's an xf86->xorg change thing [05:48] what'd I miss? [05:48] lamont_r: (gvim:6415): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib what's that? and how do I fix? [05:48] daniels: he's referring to your answer earlier, I xpect... [05:48] ah [05:48] ironwolf: that's a locale thing [05:49] ironwolf: if I knew how to fix it, my head would hurt a lot less === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:49] daniels: does that mean there isn't currently a fix? or that it's complicated? [05:49] ironwolf: both [05:51] lamont_r: wondering why they're lagging on xorg-driver-synaptics is all; tell me to sod off if I'm just being too impatient [05:51] oh, those are ftbfs [05:51] dh_installdocs [05:51] cp: cannot stat `changelog': No such file or directory [05:51] dh_installdocs: command returned error code 256 [05:51] Hello. Someone knows the IRC nick of Jane Silber (if she has one?) [05:52] enrico: silbs [05:52] Mithrandir: thanks! [05:52] Kamion: on all 3 architectures [05:52] lamont_r: that's the last version back [05:53] oh. well then sod off. ;-) [05:53] mmkay :) === lamont_r goes and looks more [05:56] sigh... sed is not my friend === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:01] grumble [06:01] Kamion: fixed [06:02] lamont_r: heh, thanks [06:13] Kamion: fwiw, I hadn't really fixed the config on yellow when I started the buildd back up - it's all better now. (sigh( [06:14] fabbione: thanks for pointing me to the real current status of sasl2 and friends (rebootstrapping those on ia64) [06:15] fabbione: where does wartylog wind up (for this channel)? [06:15] fabbione: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ [06:20] sladen, did you get the mail? [06:21] #3861 is freaky [06:23] Kamion: crack [06:24] hm, this 8-bit version of Freestyler is pure crack [06:24] daniels@catsby:~/canonical/xfree86/foo/libx11-6-dbg/usr/X11R6/lib/debug% export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=en_US.UTF-8 [06:24] more caffeine this way [06:26] gnarcrackgnar [06:29] daniels : S'ok. Early today, I mindlessly typed "apt-get install ll" when a shell alias wasn't defined. [06:29] heh [06:31] gicmo: yup, I did. I'll answer it at some point too ;-) [06:31] who runs mailman around here? [06:31] that would be jdub I think === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sladen fetchs the ICBM from yesterday and looks around for jdub [06:32] sladen: what's wrong with mailman now? [06:33] i wish I had've looked at that jelly bean instead of eating it straight away -- it was really nice, and I don't know which colour it was [06:33] Mithrandir: nothing. After a new list [06:33] Keybuk: 'morning [06:33] daniels: *cough* yeah === trukulo [~trukulo@62.57.66.120] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rcaskey [~rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matt| [~Matt|@81-178-88-128.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] oh, baby jesus WEPT, I have to build the openoffice.org source again because it has CVS directories in the source package and my default debuild configuration kills those [06:49] And you want to ship them, why? [06:49] Kamion: oops [06:49] minimising diff against Debian [06:50] makes merges sane later [06:50] So, file a bug against the Debian packages to remove the CVS dirs. :) [06:50] infinity: they are there on purpose [06:50] (and arch dirs too... Those really irritate me) [06:51] arch directories in source packages seem to contain a lot more guff [06:52] I meant the CVS dirs [06:52] I'm not sure what you mean by arch dirs [06:52] {arch}, .arch-ids [06:52] i.e. tla === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by elmo at Thu Nov 18 16:53:36 2004 === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === fabb1one [~fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~egon@suprimo-217.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:12] (Mitario/#ubuntu-devel) hi mvo_ [07:14] hi Mitario === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) LKJE [07:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) _rene_: isn't 'grep -v -en' wrong? grep will interpret the -en as an option [07:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) $ (echo openoffice.org-l10n-en; echo openoffice.org-l10n-fr) | grep -v -en [07:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) $ [07:38] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) it will, yes. [07:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) _rene_: you need 'grep -v -- -en' [07:38] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) it will grep for n, just, afaik [07:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it'll use -n as an option; standard getopt behaviour ... [07:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) or maybe not? [07:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) oh, no, you're quite right [07:39] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) nope, it'll use n as the pattern, since what follows -e is the regex [07:39] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) quite confusing, though === Kamion is thankful he didn't upload [07:40] (rcaskey/#ubuntu-devel) btw, anyone played with OOo's new database tool yet? [07:40] (rcaskey/#ubuntu-devel) It's definately a start [07:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Can anyone post a translation of #3863 to the bug? [07:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it's Spanish, I think [07:41] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) going [07:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) thanks [07:42] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) I think he's complaining that his pen drive isn't automagically mounted and that he's told the list which told him to bug report it. [07:42] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) Dear developers. I've got a Abit AN7 uGuru Motherboard with Nvidia mcp-t chip, and usbpen doesn't mount automatically. [07:43] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) he said he can mount it by hand, but not automatically [07:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) to the bug :-) [07:43] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) :) sorry [07:43] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) I'm surprised my translation was that accurate -- I don't know spanish or any latin languages at all :) [07:44] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) very accurate Mithrandir [07:46] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) "Escribi en la lista de ubuntu en espaol y me dijeron que me notificara este bug" is roughly "I posted to the spanish ubuntu list and was asked to bugfile this"? [07:47] (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: oh, it will? [07:47] (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: hmpf [07:47] (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: thanks [07:47] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) _rene_: : tfheen@shonap ~ > grep -en /etc/passwd | wc -l [07:47] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) 30 [07:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) : tfheen@shonap ~ > grep -- -en /etc/passwd | wc -l [07:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) 0 [07:48] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) doing mi bugzilla account === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-75.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) hmm [07:49] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) need password to post bug translation [07:49] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) ka-BAM. [07:49] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) narrowed down the locale issue [07:49] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, so tuesday 14 ? === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:50] (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) obvious === _rene_ womnders why he didn't think about that [07:51] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) WOO WOO SUMMON THE PO-LICE [07:54] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion, bug translated [07:54] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) trukulo: thanks [07:54] (_rene_/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: thanks, fixed [07:54] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) you're wellcome [07:55] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) see you soon kamion :) IRL [07:55] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) trukulo: sounds good to me, but you'll probably want to check with others [07:55] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, confirmed with jane [07:55] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) tuesday 14 at 7pm [07:56] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) we only need confirmation of jdub [07:56] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) awesome! i'll be there [07:56] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) and he said to me he wants to [07:56] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) :) [07:56] (trukulo/#ubuntu-devel) want to know you all (except fabbione, lol) [07:56] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) heh === ChrisH [~chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:01] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: d-i unhappy on ppc [08:01] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: howso? [08:02] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) udev-udeb depends hotplug but it is not installable [08:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) debian-installer build you mean? [08:02] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) yes [08:02] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) sorry for the lack of clarity [08:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) what's the i386 failure about, anyway? [08:03] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: so, dude. [08:03] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 [08:03] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% export LC_ALL=$LANG [08:03] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% gedit [08:04] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) [type some stuff] [08:04] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) daniels@catsby:~% [08:04] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: you know how useless it is to set LANG and LC_ALL? LC_ALL overrides. [08:04] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: looks like a burp in the bubble we call reality [08:04] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) retrying [08:04] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: well, I'm just being very sure [08:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: hmm, ok, so I suck, fixing [08:04] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: the point was the lack of OMG XLIB H8S UR LOCALE [08:04] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: to be even more sure, export the variable twice. :P [08:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: bonus [08:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: (it'll be a udev upload) [08:04] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) that bug was an utter bastard to track down [08:05] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: anything I should d-w on? [08:05] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) or will you just tell me to kick it in an hour or 2? [08:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: udev-udeb 0.042-1ubuntu3 (if you can d-w on udebs) [08:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) otherwise udev 0.042-1ubuntu3 [08:06] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) >=? [08:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) sure [08:07] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) the retry on i386 was a mirror of ppc [08:08] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) the retry on i386 was a mirror of ppc [08:08] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) xfree86: 02:24:12 (3 entries, sigma 00:16:01) [08:08] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-20-14.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:12] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: is nautilus-media meant to be in universe? [08:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: hm, you mean it was an issue just with the en_US.UTF-8 definition? [08:15] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: afaict, and probably others as well [08:15] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: but it only manifests in this particular combination === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: so I tried regressing libraries and stuff first, and ended up tearing hair out [08:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) thought somebody'd reported it with en_AU.UTF-8 too [08:16] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) same definition [08:16] (daniels/#ubuntu-devel) (i'm running in en_AU.UTF-8 now) === skyrider_univer [~skyrider@kid.stu.cn.ua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fwiffo [~user@81.19.254.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] Kamion: yes [08:22] Kamion: it's not really useful and doesn't work very well [08:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) hm, ok [08:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) does that mean you don't want to handle its merge bug? :) [08:26] oh no, just assign it to me [08:26] I've probably zapped it === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:elmo] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | website downtime due to server reboots [08:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: ok [08:34] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) can someone try logging into the website please? [08:34] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) the ubuntulinux.org one I mean [08:36] (jdz_/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: It works, I'm logged in. === egon_ [~egon@suprimo-217.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) jdz_: have you logged in just now though ? [08:36] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) I need someone without an existing cookie to try logging, if possible [08:36] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: works for me, logged in just now [08:36] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: excellent thanks [08:36] (jdz_/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: Just now. First time on this computer [08:37] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) jdz_: thanks [08:38] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) ok, now for the actual web server === Kyaneos [~Kyaneos@80-26-153-10.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] hi === madduck_ [~madduck@madduck.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mdz ain't around, is he... === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:elmo] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals === madduck_ is now known as madduck [08:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont_r: nope [08:54] (amu/#ubuntu-devel) a usbcdrom is handled as sda or scd? === lamont_r prepares to upload apt_0.5.30ubuntu1 [08:55] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) :-) [08:56] fabbione: here ? [09:01] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) apt uploaded [09:03] somebody did a xfree warty-security upload ? [09:06] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) daniels did, I think [09:06] an user is complaining on #ubuntu-fr that he can only use 640x480 now [09:06] and he was using 1024x768 before the security update [09:07] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) so how do I force reportbugs to send the mail to a specific address, I wonder. === tuhl [~tuhl@pD9E8BAF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [~daniels@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spotter [~spotter@dyn-160-39-243-18.dyn.columbia.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] seb128: X belongs to daniels now :-) [09:43] ok [09:43] BTW do you have an idea on what could cause this ? [09:44] I would like to reply something to the guy [09:44] seb128: probably an inconsistency in the debconf information [09:44] seb128: just tell him to use dpkg-reconfigure [09:45] ok [09:46] what'd I miss? [09:47] daniels: [09:47] an user is complaining on #ubuntu-fr that he can only use 640x480 now [09:47] and he was using 1024x768 before the security update [09:47] ehm [09:47] that's complete crack. nothing changed but libXpm. [09:48] ok [09:48] thanks :) [09:48] no worries [10:00] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) @ERROR: max connections (25) reached - try again later [10:00] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) r [10:00] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) sigh... [10:00] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) should archive.ubuntu.com be happier? === mxpxpod is now known as mx|gone [10:04] Mithrandir: are you still around? [10:04] daniels: we need to prepare a few slides for the talk... [10:04] daniels: and decide what to talk about [10:05] (amu/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: 20:13 I'm off for some food and beer [10:05] amu: thanks :-) [10:06] (amu/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: he told me also ... , drop me a /msg .... [10:07] nah [10:07] it's nothing urgent === hazmat [~hazmat@register.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [~tuhl@pD9E8BAF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:09] lamont_r: and this update is going to take forever [10:09] xorg and xfree86 the same day [10:10] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: shame on you. :-) [10:10] no no [10:10] I AM NOT X MAINTAINER ANY [10:10] MORE [10:10] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) hehe [10:10] ops [10:10] sorry [10:10] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) really? well shame on daniels then. :-) [10:10] i _didn't_ want to use the C4P5 L0CK [10:10] fabbione: what do you do know so ? :) [10:11] seb128: keeping an eye on daniels :P [10:11] ah ah [10:11] if he fucks up i am going to hunt him down like an eagle on a rat [10:12] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: you're not going to be doing X maintenance for debian or ubuntu? [10:12] ubuntu [10:12] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) whatcha going to be doing? [10:13] jdub: other stuff [10:13] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) heh [10:13] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) no kidding! [10:13] fabbione: yeah [10:13] fabbione: not now though [10:13] fabbione: if i'm not working and i'm behind a computer, it's fd.o [10:14] daniels: j/k kid :P [10:14] daniels: for the presentation it's enough we think about something during Mataro [10:14] no need to do it *right now* [10:14] yeah [10:29] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: ? === mx|gone is now known as mxpxpod [10:33] (lifeless/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: so how is the recovery coming? === FTTP [FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] hi [10:35] fabio! :) [10:35] yes? [10:36] i sent u a bug report earlier [10:36] daniels: any progress on the xorg utf-8 thing? [10:36] dunno if its a bug or not [10:37] fabbione: is there a workaround for monitors that dont provide appropriate DDC? [10:37] no [10:37] FTTP = Adam? [10:37] yep [10:37] i left some comment [10:37] s [10:38] i am reading them now [10:38] ok [10:38] i only put reopen cause i had some additional comments [10:38] not sure if it was worthy of reopen [10:39] "am I correct in assuming that Windows [10:39] cant correctly detect this information either? " [10:39] yes [10:39] mxpxpod: fixed [10:39] i figured that [10:39] lifeless: yeah, not too bad thanks [10:39] if it detects higher rates than what the monitor can really handle it's a bug [10:39] daniels: nice [10:39] lifeless: just making LDAP my bitch [10:39] elmo: back, phone === jdz_ [~jdz@69.49.156.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] daniels: when's it going to be uploaded? [10:39] FTTP: also.. there are monitors that claims to be DDC compliant and they are not [10:39] FTTP: it won't be the first time [10:40] mxpxpod: probably two days [10:40] fabbione: right..... i understand..... [10:40] FTTP: nv or nvidia makes no difference. The driver comes from the same people [10:40] FTTP: other than 3d features [10:40] daniels: also, what's up with fonts on xorg... example: http://www.reigndropsfall.net/screenshots/coaster-main.png compared to http://www.reigndropsfall.net/screenshots/coaster-main-new.png [10:40] it's exactly the same crap [10:40] fabbione: ok, on the refresh rate issue [10:41] FTTP: please wait for the next X release. We have a bunch of updates for the nv driver [10:41] (lifeless/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: cool [10:41] fabbione: Yep :) [10:41] iirc it includes also something DDC related [10:41] mxpxpod: they look nice on -new and crap on -main? [10:41] FTTP: i am talking about X.org 1ubuntu4 at least [10:41] daniels: they look strange on -new [10:41] not the one that come out today [10:42] fabbione: can the xfree you use tho handle the higher refresh rates where its just an X config problem? [10:42] daniels: I guess I'm just used to the way they look in -main [10:42] FTTP: as last thing, please add your config file and /var/log/Xorg.0.og to the bug [10:42] mxpxpod: to me, that's a 100% improvement :) [10:42] daniels: really? [10:42] yah [10:42] FTTP: that's a very hairy thing. [10:43] fabbione: Hairy? [10:43] anyone here suffering from frequent crashes in evolution in hoary? [10:43] daniels: to me, it looks like the letters are running into each other [10:43] FTTP: the protocol works more or less in this way: [10:43] mxpxpod: mmm [10:43] fabbione: See my monitor can do higher refresh rates in windows ...... [10:43] FTTP: driver attempts to detect rates. [10:43] daniels: especially when e and a are together [10:43] im wondering if its just the xfree config file causing the lower rates to be used [10:43] (ironwolf/#ubuntu-devel) spotter: yes *must be daniels fault* [10:43] FTTP: than it grabs the info from the config file [10:44] FTTP: let me finish please :-) === spotter wonders what ironwolf has against daniels === spotter is now known as shaya [10:44] FTTP: now the black magic happen === ironwolf loves daniels... he's the xorg God. :) [10:44] FTTP: where there are 4 combinations [10:45] a) ddc return - data in config file -> driver uses the safest data from the two set of info [10:45] so for ex. [10:45] daniels: btw, you've done a good job on xorg for ubuntu [10:45] thanks [10:45] ddc returns a VertSync 49-120 [10:45] fabbione needs credit for xorg too tho [10:45] config has 50-80 [10:46] hem [10:46] config has 40-80 [10:46] the safe value is 49-80 [10:46] fabbione: good job [10:46] mxpxpod: thanks :-) [10:46] FTTP: are you following me? [10:46] I didn't think any debian based distro would have it for years [10:46] :) [10:46] yep [10:46] b) ddc return - no config info [10:47] the driver has to trust the ddc info [10:47] c) no ddc return - config info [10:47] the driver trust what you say [10:47] d) no ddc - no config [10:47] the driver goes bana [10:47] banana [10:47] so basically the combination is not simple [10:47] in your case you might have to try to disable the values in the config [10:48] gotcha [10:48] but this is something we canNOT do by default [10:48] we can't allow people to hit case d) [10:48] fabbione: it did an excellent job in making it work [10:49] that's because we chose a safe and reliable path [10:49] for "details" [10:49] that's up to the user [10:49] we can't push over what we know [10:49] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: if you need me to punch ironwolf, just say so. :-) [10:49] simply because i can't efford to start replacing monitors all over the glob [10:50] globe [10:50] fabbione, very good to know, thanks! [10:50] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) oh wait, common guest-rules prevent that. === ironwolf loves fabbione too.... just less. ;) [10:50] ironwolf: ?!?! [10:50] right....... would be nice tho if those could be selected in an easier manner [10:50] (ironwolf/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: was in response to something someone said. [10:51] FTTP: we are going to re-discuss the autodetection implementation in Mataro during DecConf [10:51] ok thanks :) [10:51] fabbione: Seems like you already know about this stuff [10:51] FTTP: it's kinda like because i have been maintaing X for almost a year? [10:51] FTTP: if you want some fun try this: [10:51] fabbione: no no i mean the bug i reported which is not a bug :) [10:51] exit from X [10:52] yeah your work is excellent [10:52] (infinity/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione : That IS fun! [10:52] mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup [10:52] and restart X [10:52] im not in linux right now but ill try that [10:52] you will test the new Xorg autodetecion policy engine [10:52] no need to reconfigure anything === mako_ [mako@micha.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] just run it :) [10:52] sounds kewl === jdz_ runs off to try it [10:53] FTTP: we don't know how good it is yet [10:53] fabbione did u put the files u wanted me to send over in the bug report ? [10:53] easier for me to remember that way [10:53] FTTP: i can't put YOUR files in the bug report :-) [10:53] no i mean the names [10:53] just your config and your Xorg.0.log [10:53] no i didn't [10:53] /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log [10:54] well ill just save that to notepad, no biggie [10:54] im in windows now [10:54] oh u mean for the new xorg detection mechanism? [10:54] should i send both over? [10:55] no.. only the normal one please [10:55] play and experiment AFTER [10:55] ok [10:56] fabbione wait xorg.conf is the config file? [10:56] yes [10:56] for the current ? [10:56] ok [10:56] confused me there [10:57] jdz_ runs off to try it [10:57] i killed a user [10:57] if he is not back in the next 2 minutes, there will be a new bug report for daniels [10:59] quick question for any takers: i need to redo my grub boot partition cause i had problems with windows [10:59] whats the easiest way for me to reinstall grub without being able to get into my system? [11:00] kinda sounds stupid i know [11:00] [11:00] FTTP: this is more for #ubuntu :P [11:00] yeah i tried what they said [11:00] couldnt get it to work [11:01] oh well ill ask there again, thanx [11:01] maybe i did it wrong [11:02] its coming across nicely tho [11:02] cant wait for hoary :) [11:03] good night everybody [11:04] (sivang/#ubuntu-devel) night fabbione [11:04] night fabbione [11:04] thanks [11:08] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: ?? [11:09] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) +ackages.gz Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (100) === lamont_r giggles [11:09] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble [11:10] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) 26-7=19. 4 hours probably too long [11:10] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble [11:13] (ironwolf/#ubuntu-devel) night fabbione [11:14] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: you around? [11:14] yes [11:14] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) why does python-gtk2_2.4.1.orig.tar.gz have a bogus md5sum? [11:14] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) grumble. === lamont_r will fix [11:14] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) just had the need to bitch, and all that. [11:15] lamont_r: where did you got the "Packages.gz Sub-progcess bzip2" error? [11:15] the md5 is bogus ? or that was you ? :) [11:15] I got this one too [11:15] on a fresh install while doing an apt-get update [11:15] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: that was the latest round of debian-installer build failures. [11:15] bzip2 was not installed [11:16] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) fixed by upgrading apt to the current version [11:16] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) right. [11:16] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) 0.5.30ubuntu1 Depends: bzip2 [11:16] ah, great === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont_r is unsure why python-gtk2 is bad-md5sum... [11:18] should not, I've not changed the orig.tar.gz in hoary [11:19] jdub: around ? [11:34] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: and bug filed with debian [11:35] lamont_r: about the bzip2? [11:36] it's not yet in debian apt IIRC [11:36] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) yes [11:36] I wrote it yesterday I think [11:36] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) Why install postfix at all ? Procmail would do the same job. === lamont_r snickers [11:36] or the day before maybe === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] isn't that cool? we file bugs before they even can happen ;) [11:41] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: I figured it was mdz's package, with a debian-native version number, so _must_ be in debian, right? [11:41] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) except that the bug is in .30, and debian has .27... oops. [11:44] yeah [11:44] he will merge the stuff pretty soon I guess [11:45] IIRC there is nothing ubuntu specific in the diffs [11:45] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) well, he has to get back from vacation first. :-) [11:45] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) or whatever he's doing that he's away from the computer... [11:46] heh :) he'll be back on monday I think? [11:46] (lamont_r/#ubuntu-devel) yeah [11:51] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: here [11:52] jdub: could you comment on #3871 :) [11:52] +? [11:52] I don't remember exactly the details of what we have decided about this [11:53] Kamion: still here? [11:53] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: definitely no template files by default [11:53] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: as discussed on list [11:54] (jdub/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: actually seeding the directories... undecided. :) [11:54] daniels: here? [11:54] sup [11:54] ah, yeah [11:54] wanted to talk to you about the CAN stuff [11:55] it appears CAN 0914(?) is relevant to our xfree86 update (sigh; I explicitly asked if there was a new one, and was told no) [11:57] jdub: ok, so no decision about if/where ~/Templates should be created ... [11:57] jdub: thanks