[12:00] <sivang> this also should be task orientd,
[12:00] <sivang> as in :
[12:01] <sivang> 1) Intro - why use Ooo at the first place? how does it comapre to proprierity software : lists of features that are already compatible with msword/other pro. wp soft.
[12:01] <sivang> 2) Tasks index:
[12:02] <sivang>   2.1 : Your first document in the FOSS compatible (nice to have instructions to at least 3 FOSS wps)
[12:03] <sivang>    2.2 : Adding pictures.
[12:03] <sivang>    2.3 : Writing web pages in the wp.
[12:03] <sivang> etc...
[12:03] <sivang> etc..
[12:03] <littlegreenman> what is FOSS?
[12:03] <sivang> not specifically in that order :)
[12:03] <littlegreenman> :)
[12:03] <sivang> FOSS= Free OPen Soure Software
[12:03] <littlegreenman> :)
[12:04] <littlegreenman> i have a little thingy done
[12:04] <littlegreenman> see in the wiki
[12:04] <littlegreenman> LearningOpenOfficeWordOutline
[12:04] <sivang> As I am thinking of it, if you could create like a whole section for this, with coming up docs on even
[12:04] <sivang> "Using GIMP for photoshop users"
[12:04] <sivang> etc.
[12:05] <littlegreenman> yeah
[12:05] <sivang> get my idea?
[12:05] <littlegreenman> i do... 
[12:05] <sivang> great. YOu're a heavy desktop user?
[12:05] <littlegreenman> but wanna help as much as i can :D
[12:05] <sivang> no problem on the time constraints
[12:05] <sivang> thank you!
[12:05] <sivang> :)
[12:05] <littlegreenman> sivang, explain desktop user
[12:07] <sivang> like someone who is very proficient with desktop usage, 
[12:07] <sivang> like knows WP for well, desktop hacks :)
[12:07] <sivang> image processing stuff
[12:07] <sivang> IMing.
[12:07] <sivang> :)
[12:07] <sivang> stuff like that
[12:07] <sivang> I always envied those desktop masters (even in windows) who knew 2 keys shortcut to everything on the desktop :)
[12:07] <littlegreenman> yeah :)
[12:08] <littlegreenman> what i am going to do
[12:08] <littlegreenman> is take a look at *gulp* office manuals
[12:08] <littlegreenman> and see also how they are written... set up
[12:08] <littlegreenman> they have a headstart over us :D
[12:09] <sivang> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline <== take a look in it, I hope it doesn't collide with your wishes..if so maybe you can add stuff to their's?
[12:10] <sivang> this is done by hornbeck and about 2 other people, maybe talk to him also?
[12:10] <sivang> + post to ML :)
[12:10] <sivang> what is gulp office?
[12:10] <littlegreenman> *gulp* is
[12:11] <littlegreenman> swalling dry :) as in i am embarassed
[12:11] <littlegreenman> but i looked into office :D
[12:11] <sivang> why embarassed?
[12:11] <sivang> :)
[12:12] <sivang> I don't see they have a wp section, maybe you can be in charge of it
[12:12] <sivang> hornbeck : ping
[12:12] <hornbeck> yes
[12:12] <littlegreenman> :)
[12:12] <sivang> how you doing buddy? :)
[12:12] <sivang> busy as always?
[12:12] <littlegreenman> always present :)
[12:13] <sivang> ah, are we starting our own wiki? :)
[12:13] <littlegreenman> i like how he is always trying to set up something i never heard of!
[12:13] <hornbeck> need that icalender server
[12:13] <sivang> haha, his our "emerging technology" guy :)
[12:13] <sivang> everything just snaps out of the oven, hornbeck puts his hands on it and make it work.
[12:13] <sivang> :)
[12:13] <hornbeck> we want a icalender server so we can all use one task list
[12:13] <sivang> ah, in evo?
[12:13] <hornbeck> sivang: I try
[12:13] <hornbeck> yes in evo
[12:14] <hornbeck> zope is not playing nicely though
[12:14] <sivang> littlegreenman : he is very good at it :) but modest :) see if you can found the tomboy howto by him
[12:14] <sivang> very very cool proggy
[12:14] <sivang> been on my tray since :)
[12:14] <hornbeck> I use tomboy from cvs now
[12:14] <hornbeck> alot better
[12:14] <sivang> what features?
[12:15] <sivang> (using the tseng one)
[12:15] <hornbeck> just panelapplet functions
[12:15] <sivang> where is the tomboy howto, btw?
[12:15] <hornbeck> no longer have to launch it
[12:15] <hornbeck> I don't know
[12:15] <hornbeck> I will have to make another one
[12:15] <hornbeck> it never made it to the wiki
[12:15] <hornbeck> most people just use tseng's package
[12:15] <hornbeck> my beagle how to is still real popular
[12:15] <sivang> anyway, I think we've got someone to do the WP stuff for the book, what do you say?
[12:15] <hornbeck> but beagle is broke for hoary
[12:16] <littlegreenman> sivang, what is this tomboy thingy?
[12:16] <hornbeck> I say thats great
[12:16] <littlegreenman> or better
[12:16] <littlegreenman> hornbeck, what is this tomboy thingy? :D
[12:16] <hornbeck> tomboy is a note taking program
[12:16] <sivang> an amazing reminder proggy, which act as a local wiki :)
[12:16] <hornbeck> real easy to use
[12:16] <sivang> tomboy ---> ROCKS
[12:16] <sivang> !
[12:16] <hornbeck> yes, it does
[12:16] <hornbeck> I have to go eat guys
[12:17] <hornbeck> email the list if you would like to help with the book :-)
[12:17] <sivang> no rpob, will you talk to littlegreenman on his plans ?
[12:17] <hornbeck> we need help
[12:17] <littlegreenman> me too...
[12:17] <littlegreenman> i will email the list later
[12:17] <sivang> great, btw the outline is very good, I think hornbeck would like to see it
[12:17] <sivang> :)
[12:18] <littlegreenman> thanks :)
[12:18] <littlegreenman> man, am i tired....
[12:18] <sivang> ah, I
[12:19] <littlegreenman> working full time than go home and work some more
[12:19] <sivang> 've gotten up today at around 5:00pm..after a sleepless night :) 
[12:19] <sivang> what do you work on?
[12:19] <sivang> (if that's ok to ask)
[12:19] <littlegreenman> it's fine... don't have many privacy issues :)
[12:19] <littlegreenman> during the day in a hotel in lisbon
[12:19] <littlegreenman> at night, ehehehe translations
[12:19] <littlegreenman> english-portuguese-english
[12:19] <sivang> ah, the scropions performed there!
[12:19] <sivang> :)
[12:20] <littlegreenman> :)
[12:20] <sivang> I regretted not being on that amazing performance
[12:20] <littlegreenman> when was that?
[12:20] <sivang> 4 years ago I think,
[12:20] <sivang> when their last new album went out
[12:20] <littlegreenman> i was in england than
[12:21] <littlegreenman> (btw not going to bother with spelling errors )
[12:21] <littlegreenman> :)
[12:21] <sivang> I see.
[12:21] <sivang> who me?
[12:21] <littlegreenman> me
[12:21] <littlegreenman> me
[12:21] <sivang> I have alot of them,,
[12:21] <littlegreenman> :D
[12:21] <sivang> not native english speaker
[12:21] <sivang> :)
[12:21] <littlegreenman> need also to do some work on my hotel's website... it sucks.....
[12:21] <littlegreenman> it was horrible when i joined
[12:22] <littlegreenman> but i did a patchy thing
[12:22] <littlegreenman> and now looks like this
[12:22] <sivang> is it PHP?
[12:22] <littlegreenman> www.hotel-internacional.com
[12:22] <littlegreenman> pure HTML
[12:22] <sivang> (you have a link)
[12:22] <littlegreenman> just text
[12:22] <littlegreenman> i am not really a webdesigner
[12:22] <littlegreenman> my first or second attempt really
[12:22] <littlegreenman> but i am growing more and more embarassed of it
[12:23] <littlegreenman> so, need to do something
[12:23] <littlegreenman> btw PHP - i don't program never have... not sure what it means :)
[12:23] <sivang> it's an open source language
[12:23] <sivang> for doing  server processed web pages.
[12:23] <sivang> generate HTML on the fly etc..
[12:24] <littlegreenman> oh... it's a preety static thing i need
[12:24] <littlegreenman> always the same... all that changes is sometimes a promotion or something
[12:24] <littlegreenman> but i got a new set of photos really cool of the hotel.. those are OLD
[12:24] <littlegreenman> so, want to make it more inviting... like, hey I wanna go there :)
[12:25] <sivang> if I come do I get a discount? ;-)
[12:25] <sivang> hehe
[12:25] <littlegreenman> and we are going to hire a webdesigner, but that is only next here... so for the meantime they are stuck with me hehe
[12:25] <littlegreenman> :D
[12:25] <littlegreenman> you would get some port 
[12:25] <littlegreenman> :D
[12:25] <sivang> I see there's an online reservation system, is this yours?
[12:25] <littlegreenman> ok, need to go to the shop, will be back in a bit
[12:25] <littlegreenman> no
[12:25] <littlegreenman> outsourcing
[12:26] <littlegreenman> just put it up today
[12:26] <sivang> I see. nice
[12:26] <littlegreenman> that's when i though, wait, i need to do something about this
[12:26] <sivang> maybe you should investigate PHP and mySQL, is the server a linux one?
[12:26] <littlegreenman> not sure, never checked... probably NT or something
[12:27] <sivang> ok, anyway, I have to go...Talk to hornbeck on the book and the stuff you want to add, he needs some help on it :)
[12:27] <littlegreenman> :D
[12:27] <littlegreenman> i'll do my best
[12:27] <littlegreenman> take care
[12:27] <sivang> you too! C'ya for the meanwhile
[12:27] <littlegreenman> need to go as well :D
[06:51] <plovs> good morning people!
[08:43] <trickie> hello all
[08:44] <trickie> would most of the changes on the page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WikiWishlist be made to the plone software?
[08:45] <trickie> if feel up to some of those task... just wanna get an idea of where to start
[08:45] <trickie> i mean i feel up to some of those tasks
[08:52] <plovs_work> trickie, answer to the mailinglist, most things things will be in plone
[08:52] <plovs_work> trickie, and it would be great if some could be implemented with your help
[08:55] <trickie> plovs_work, np... will do
[08:56] <trickie> plovs_work, whats moin? Sorry, haven't used zope very much, but done a bit of python work
[09:00] <plovs_work> moin is the previous wiki we used wiki.ubuntulinux.org based on http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/
[10:29] <lulu> Morning all :o)
[10:38] <trickie_> lulu, morning!
[10:38] <lulu> trickie_:good morning :o)
[10:42] <plovs_work> morning all
[10:42] <plovs_work> ChrisH, did you ever make a bootable usb-key under linux?
[10:42] <trickie_> well it is evening here... but i hope it is a glorious morning for you all, it is finally getting warm (summer!) where is am
[10:43] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Not yet. But i always wanted. :) My mainboard supports booting from USB. Might be fun.
[10:43] <ChrisH> plovs_work: I'd also like to try out PXE boot.
[10:45] <plovs_work> ChrisH, well, when i get it to work i'll let you know
[10:45] <plovs_work> ChrisH, i need to make a ghost usb-key
[10:46] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Cool. :)
[10:49] <plovs_work> ChrisH, it would be cool if i were a little smarter and a little less handsome
[10:49] <plovs_work> ChrisH, it doesn't want to work yet
[10:50] <ChrisH> plovs_work: All that boot stuff is not really trivial. Ask sivang. He had trouble himself.
[10:51] <plovs_work> ChrisH, i love this stuff, though, i think it is utterly neat
[12:58] <George^Deka> hi all
[01:00] <ChrisH> George^Deka: Hi...
[01:10] <lulu> George^Deka: hi :o)
[01:19] <plovs_work> George^Deka, hi
[01:20] <George^Deka> btw, is there anything i have promised to do and havent yet
[01:20] <George^Deka> this is my workflow - hehehe
[02:04] <George^Deka> if someone can be bothered tell me what we wamt/need from a workflow type of system, (email me)
[02:13] <hornbeck> good morning
[02:14] <George^Deka> morning/nite hornbeck
[02:14] <George^Deka> does anyone here know how to code?
[02:15] <hornbeck> I do 
[02:15] <hornbeck> what you looking for?
[02:15] <George^Deka> well, check my ML post just now
[02:15] <George^Deka> what can you code in
[02:16] <ChrisH> Now we need a work flow for the task list?
[02:16] <hornbeck> I use python, Common Lisp, C++, Java, and alittle C
[02:17] <George^Deka> well i use the word workflow all the time (im an accountant)
[02:17] <George^Deka> and a manager (well wanna be manager)
[02:17] <George^Deka> accounting/managment is where my training is
[02:17] <hornbeck> I'm a manager and don't use the word workflow
[02:19] <hornbeck> asp is used quite nicely in mono
[02:19] <George^Deka> thats asp.net
[02:19] <George^Deka> not asp
[02:21] <hornbeck> ok
[02:22] <George^Deka> hows this look? http://www.gotocode.com/apps.asp?app_id=13
[02:25] <plovs_work> anybody wants to by a usb-key it has slight scratches from being trampled on with too feet, being thrown against the wall twice, and small hammer-marks
[02:26] <George^Deka> plovs_work: and its still a usb key ?
[02:28] <plovs_work> it still has the little cord you can carry it around your neck with
[02:28] <hornbeck> haha
[02:28] <plovs_work> i am trying to make a bootable usb key
[02:29] <plovs_work> but i admit defeat and use a bootable cd instead
[02:29] <George^Deka> hahaha, yep so much easier
[02:31] <plovs_work> did any of you make a bootable cd with menus etc?
[02:32] <plovs_work> it's for norton ghost
[02:32] <George^Deka> what do you mean exactly ?
[02:33] <plovs_work> boot cd -> see menu -> choose intel100pro -> boot dos/netboot&run ghost -> copy image from server -> have tea
[02:35] <hornbeck> would that be earl gray tea with milk and sugar
[02:35] <George^Deka> umm, never done it like that, made dos ones only - so it boots dos then gives you a choice - but if thats what you wnat email me and ill get back to you
[02:35] <plovs_work> no milk,no sugar, a slice of lemon would be nice, thank you
[02:35] <George^Deka> bedtime cya's later (monday i suppose)
[02:35] <hornbeck> night
[02:36] <plovs_work> George^Deka, see ya!
[02:36] <plovs_work> hornbeck, how's svn? the same?
[02:36] <hornbeck> yep
[02:36] <George^Deka> well decided ill leave it open for a few more min while i have a smoke
[02:36] <hornbeck> I even talked to some svn guys
[02:37] <hornbeck> I will just hope everything is ok till we move it to the Ubuntu Servers
[02:37] <hornbeck> you worked on the faq I see?
[02:38] <plovs_work> a little, no time, i'm afraid
[02:38] <hornbeck> I understand that
[02:40] <George^Deka> cyas again
[02:41] <plovs_work> you still use monowall?
[02:41] <hornbeck> nope no monowall
[02:42] <hornbeck> could never get it to talk with my isp
[02:42] <hornbeck> I am having to use a small netgear router
[02:42] <hornbeck> I will be putting in a small cisco in about a month
[02:45] <plovs_work> networking voodoo it is
[02:46] <plovs_work> nothing works today, now i cannot even make a bootable cd
[02:47] <hornbeck> haha
[02:47] <hornbeck> man you are having bad luck huh?
[02:48] <plovs_work> i did get a new monitor, that was nice, with a dvi connection even
[02:49] <plovs_work> but that was yesterday, it was not snowing then
[02:49] <plovs_work> i hate snow
[02:49] <plovs_work> unless it's on a tv, which i can turn off
[02:54] <plovs_work> well, at least knoppix still boots
[02:58] <hornbeck> thats at least good
[02:59] <plovs_work> hornbeck, so what are you up to today?
[03:12] <hornbeck> plovs_work: I am playing with plone
[03:13] <hornbeck> got a zope server running right now
[03:13] <hornbeck> about to try and route it through apache
[03:15] <plovs_work> hornbeck, nice
[03:17] <hornbeck> yeah, but it is giving me all kinds of errors
[03:34] <sivang> hey all
[03:36] <hornbeck> hey
[03:37] <sivang> hey hornbeck, did you work out with littlegreenman on the Word Proccessing part of the book? He seemed eager and with the knowhow in WPs
[03:43] <hornbeck> no I left before you did
[03:43] <hornbeck> and he left right after you did
[03:59] <sivang> ah ok, he seemed very eager to work with you, make sure you keep up on him.
[04:18] <hornbeck> I will
[06:23] <hornbeck> anybody around?
[06:35] <hornbeck> hey Robert
[06:35] <hornbeck> how you doing?
[07:34] (ChrisH/#ubuntu-doc) Gonne be offline for up to half an hour. ISP is changing something.
[07:50] (lulu/#ubuntu-doc) night guys :o)
[11:02] (sivang/#ubuntu-doc) is there anybody awake here?
[11:17] <enrico> (not for much)
[11:17] (sivang/#ubuntu-doc) haha
[11:39] <ChrisH> me neither... about to go to bed... see you in my dreams :)