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kensaianyone having prioblem In hoary the latest hoary update via apt?12:01
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pixelmonkey_that was silly12:01
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kensaiI'm getting: No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.12:01
thoreauputicpixelmonkey: heheh - the main thing I notice is the author's inability to spell "grammar"12:01
ograkensai: topic12:01
pixelmonkey_thoreauputic, yea?12:01
kensaiogra, thanks12:02
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kensaiogra, I never read topics damn I need to read it everyday now12:02
ograkensai: true for hoary and this room :)12:02
pixelmonkey_thoreauputic, oh, that's just continuation of the word "programmer" ;-)12:02
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will_anyone know why my lp driver is loaded, but no devices are found?12:03
thoreauputicpixelmonkey. haha - yeah I just saw that, sorry :)12:03
pixelmonkey_hey random other ubuntu question... my environment has its $LANGUAGE set as en_gb (this must have been a default?)  How do I change it12:03
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kensaiogra, but untill they release a new sed then I can't apt-get dist-upgrade?12:04
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ograkensai: wait some hours....12:04
ograkensai: and watch the topic ;)12:04
kensaiogra, OK, no probklem, this will be fixed with a new sed in apt repositories?12:05
will_kensai: i fexed the sed problem12:05
will_fixed even12:05
kensaiwill_, ?12:05
ograkensai: yep12:05
thoreauputicpixelmonkey, that's not a bug, that's a feature ;-)12:06
kensaiogra, thanks I'll see topics from now on ;)12:06
ograkensai: the mailing list is also a good pool of information....12:06
kensaiogra, thanks12:06
will_anyone know about parports?12:07
pixelmonkey_thoreauputic, Your british I take it ;-)12:07
thoreauputicpixelmonkey, no Austarlian, actually - but I use en_GB12:08
ograpixelmonkey_: not exactly.... he is a bit more south,.....12:08
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thoreauputicogra: and I'm definitely not British :)12:08
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pixelmonkey_so does anyone know how I can change the LANGUAGE? ;-)12:09
q2How can I enable it to not start X automatically at boo?12:09
thoreauputicpixelmonkey, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales12:09
pixelmonkey_thoreauputic, yep, did that, but it didn't change my environmental variable12:09
q2How do I make it so X wont start automatically?12:10
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thoreauputicpixelmonkey_: maybe you can change it in /etc/profile12:10
choulthmeet q212:12
Zugwrackogra: Question I have been unable to resolve...I upgraded my kernel to smp...now I get an error about LVM? Where would I look (in /etc?) to edit the script that is calling for this to start at boot?12:12
pixelmonkey_oh I found it... /etc/environment12:13
ograZugwrack: /etc/rccS.d/S26lvm12:13
ograZugwrack: remove the link.... /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm12:14
thoreauputicpixelmonkey_: aha - quite right - I'll have to remember that12:14
Zugwrackogra: K thanks12:14
ograZugwrack: as long as you dont use lvm indeed :)12:15
Zugwrackogra: That would indeed be the case...12:17
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thoreauputicsomething needs to be done about these peers - thay keep resetting connections!12:19
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ograthoreauputic lol12:20
ograthoreauputic want to put them on a chain in the channel ?12:20
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Telepright, I'm back to being Warty12:24
wfxare the any tools ti build/configure gdm themes (positions of images etc)?12:24
TelepWarthogs are more cool anyway12:24
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KujilaHello there, nice distro you got here, love Gnome 2.8, but can someone give me a bit o' technical help? :)12:25
Telepfunny thing though, after installing from the shipped cd, Gnome wouldn't boot up because the permissions in my home directory were screwed up (ie. root)12:26
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wfxogra, its time... grch grch :)12:26
Telepthis has not happened before12:26
choulthbring it on Kujila12:26
ograwfx: :)12:26
wfxby all12:26
ograwfx: bye12:26
KujilaOk...well... the default Gnome 2.8 install came with no Desktop icons, and simply put, I just want to put thee on :)12:26
wfxogra, take a look on the "net" output of the bot ;)12:27
scopecrpanyone else having a problem with updating (hoary sources) sed tonight?12:27
choulthKujila, right click and insert some  or drag and drop12:27
thoreauputicscopecrp: yes - see the channel topic12:27
aitrusscopecrp: read the topic12:27
ograwfx: WOW12:27
KujilaWell, I mean, the default "Trashbin" , "Computer" , etc12:27
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choulthKujila, trashbin is on the lower right12:28
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wfxogra, yes wow12:28
scopecrpaha, thanks12:28
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KujilaWell then, I've customized GNOME to my liking, and removed that toolbar.  I can probably get it back, but is there a way to slap it onto the Desktop instead? :)12:28
icecrashanyone that has the same problems with pbuilder?12:28
ograKujila: you can do this in the configuration editor (in the applications menu -> system tools)12:29
choulthKujila, mpf... :)12:29
icecrashPreparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...12:29
icecrash/var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 123: /dev/null: Permission denied12:29
wfxogra, but this is also bad i cant run it for a full month :/12:29
scopecrpanyone know if you can configure bitchx to display the topic for the active channel?12:29
wfxanyway good night (for all near my timezone ;-)12:29
thoreauputicscopecrp: just type /topic12:29
icecrashwfx: good night ;)12:29
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stuNNed_hi ubuntu's12:30
ograwfx: 2MB ....12:30
KujilaOk thanks all, I'll poke around in this configuration editor and see if I can get my icons back! :)12:30
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thoreauputicscopecrp: or get a real client ( joke)12:30
ograKujila: look in apps->nautilus->desktop12:31
scopecrpi know, i keep meaning to switch to win32/mirc12:31
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KujilaOh thanks ogra, awesome! :)12:31
scopecrpmaybe some day ill figure windows out and make the switch12:31
ograKujila: :)12:31
KujilaI think I'll stick with Ubuntu and dump MDK 1012:31
KujilaGood shhtuffs12:32
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KujilaGnome 2.8 is too durn sexy ;)12:32
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scopecrpi ditched my gentoo installations (and by extension the 3 weeks of setting it up right) for ubuntu12:32
scopecrpnever looking back either12:32
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KujilaI'm so sick of KDE, too...12:33
thoreauputicubuntulog: "used by 90% of recovering Gentoo users "12:34
Telephehe, I'm a recovering Gentoo user, too :)12:34
thoreauputicthat wa a tab complete weirdness12:34
KujilaIs Gentoo Debian based, too?  Never tried it before12:35
YcrosI made the switch last night frem gentoo.12:35
TelepKujila: no, it's Gentoo-based :)12:35
thoreauputicGentoo is crack-based </joke>12:35
ZugwrackI just used synaptic to install some packages...doesn't it automatically update the menu in Gnome?12:36
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ManaguCame from Debian here.  So far, it feels about the same, except some of the rougher corners seem smoother12:36
Ycrosit has it's advantages and disadvantages12:36
YcrosZugwrack, it does12:36
KneelBeforeXorgZugwrack: always has for me12:36
TelepKujila: the gentoo philosophy is that everything is installed from source and hence optimized for your system. Installing is very easy (like in debian), but very time-consuming.12:36
ZugwrackHmmm...ok I installed XCdroast..don't see it12:36
KujilaOh I see12:36
ograKujila: in gentoo you compile everything......its the distri for lonesome people that like to stare at compiler output for nights12:36
Telepand the benefits are questionable... depends on what you're doing I guess12:36
Managuzugwrack: some packages do, some don't12:36
KujilaI cross my fingers whenever I compile something and hope I have all the dependencies12:37
Ycrosogra, you don't have to, there are binary packages12:37
ograKujila: apt will care for you ;)12:37
ZugwrackManagu: so is there a script I can use to update the menus? How is this normall done in Gnome12:37
ograYcros: there are ?12:37
MestaphelesI'm trying to create a bootablecopy of the ppc iso.  I'm in XCDroast.  Do I make it sun bootable? or do I use the Torito for ppc arch?  Torito needs some file and that's where I just don't know.12:37
KujilaUbuntu's apt-database seems small right now, though... Is there any way to plop some debian ones on ther so I can get my goodies like MPlayer?12:37
ograbonobo: synaptic Kujila12:38
bonoboKujila: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto12:38
ManaguZugwrack: Sorry, I don't know =(12:38
ograbonobo: mplayer Kujila12:38
bonoboKujila: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:38
Ycrosogra, it was never meant to be a source based distribution in the first place12:38
TelepKujila: well dependencies are not a problem in Gentoo, the portage package management system takes care of that, but over-optimization can be a problem sometimes12:38
ograKujila: see the urls of the bonobo bot12:38
Ycrosogra, it just went that way because nobody had really made large progress in that area12:38
ZugwrackMestapheles: Just copy your existing cd...12:39
KujilaThanks much :)  Ubuntu is sweet12:39
Mestaphelesbut then it will not be bootable on the mac.  I'll need to go into openfirmware and direct it to boot loader12:39
ograKujila: if something doesnt work, come to ask here12:40
KujilaI shall :D  This is great stuff heh12:40
YcrosMestapheles, uhh, you should just be able to copy it12:40
thoreauputicMestapheles: if your original CD was bootable, a clone will be too12:40
KujilaI must go now, though.12:40
KujilaMaybe I'll be back ;)12:40
KujilaThanks again!12:41
Mestaphelesk guys I'll try12:41
Mestapheleseven copy with finder?12:41
ograYcros: sad....now its renown for the source stuff.....12:41
Ycrosogra, they are working on fixing that12:42
MestaphelesI'll do via term, I don't trust finder.  It doesn't copy invisible folders12:42
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Ycrosthe binary side of portage isn't quite as good12:42
Ycrosso they're working on improving it12:42
ograYcros: how ? did they hire a PR team ?12:42
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JStrikeIs there a HowTo for creating Ubuntu packages12:42
Mestaphelesor ditto just to be on the safe side12:42
Ycrosbecause everyone's been developing the source stuff.12:42
ograYcros: its hard to get a wrong reputation right in the end12:43
Ycrosnot really, they just need to develop the binary package handling more, create repositories, and make an announcement12:43
TelepYcros: well there are hardly any mirrors for downloading binary stuff, for a start.12:44
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YcrosTelep, my point exactly12:44
ograJStrike: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/12:44
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guptanHi, how can I install Firefox 1.0(using installer) so that it completely replaces firefox provided by Ubuntu?12:45
ograJStrike: there are shorter ones on www.debianplanet.org12:45
JStrikeogra : Isn't there a difference in creating debs for ubuntu and debian?12:46
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guptanHi, how can I install Firefox 1.0 (using installer provided in firefox site) so that it completely replaces firefox provided by Ubuntu?12:47
ograJStrike: in the packaging they are the same....the dependencys are ubuntu on ubuntu....and debian on debian12:47
Gwildorjstrike, the packaging process is the same, a debian.deb is a debian.deb, and a ubuntu.deb is a ubuntu.deb12:49
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Gwildorone day ill beat ogra12:49
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ograGwildor: go for it :)12:49
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Gwildorogra, i try, you are just to quick12:50
guptanogra, Gwildor you guys are great :)12:50
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ograGwildor: just started learning python, i will be more inattentive in the next time :)12:51
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guptananybody to help me here?12:52
ograguptan: the firefox installer will likely use different directorys.....12:52
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guptanyeah i know, and every time I accidently click old firefox themes and extension become useless12:53
guptansometime even live bookmarks, now its a big mess :|12:53
ograguptan: just uninstall the ubuntu package12:53
sean__is there a way to install flash for firefox?12:54
guptanoh that seems to be a good idea12:54
sean__I cant find nothing about how to do it12:54
ograbonobo: flash sean__12:54
bonobosean__: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats12:54
guptansean_ usually ff detects need for plugin and installs automatically12:54
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ograguptan: there is also a package to manage that :)12:55
guptanoh really12:55
guptanogra, when I asked to remove firefox, it removes a package named ubuntu-desktop too.12:56
HrdwrBoBthat's correct12:56
HrdwrBoBubuntu desktop depends on all the packages that are in the 'ubuntu desktop'12:56
HrdwrBoBthere's nothing actually in it12:56
guptanHrdwrBoB, so can I remove that one?12:57
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ograguptan: you will need it for a upgrade to a new stable ubuntu version, keep in mind installing it again then.....12:58
ograguptan: but else its useless and can get removed12:58
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domestikoone thing you can do is building your own package and then checkinstall12:59
domestikobut is safer doing what ogra says12:59
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aaroncukhow easy is it to upgrade ubuntu, can it be done remotely without mess all my apps/settings up?01:01
kim__hi scoon01:01
ograaaroncuk: to hoary ?01:01
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ograaaroncuk: the upgrade is easy....but do you really want it ? its in flux .... i.e. see the channel topic01:02
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aaroncuki dont want it yet, but may do in the future its just im putting a server in somewhere over 200 miles away lol.. dont wanna have to go and sort it if it goes wrong lol01:04
EfaistOsi have a little problem with GTK2 windows ... it's quite slow to open new windows  when i double click in nautilus or things like this01:04
EfaistOsdo u have the same problem ?01:04
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FTTPim downloading hoary snapshot iso01:04
FTTPshould be good right? :)01:04
domestikoEfaistOs, have you upgraded to hoary?01:05
cardadorEfaistOs: sudo apt-get install gamin01:05
EfaistOsdomestiko, yes01:05
JStrikeEfaistOs : Nope. Sorry :-(01:05
guptanjust out of curiosity: how good is changing all warty to hoary in apt?01:05
EfaistOsgamin ?01:05
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FTTPguptan:  Dunno...... im downloading the hoary iso01:06
cardadorEfaistOs: yes, it replacees fam01:06
FTTPthen ill update it thru there01:06
domestikoEfaistOs, the problem is fam. Install gamin01:06
ograFTTP: its a snapshot.....taken automatically i guess......01:06
EfaistOscardador, and FAM is the problem ? i have to uninstall FAM or not ?01:07
FTTPogra:  daily snapshot is good, then ill update it :)01:07
matsanyone knows how to change fonts on gtk1.x apps (like amule or xmule)?01:07
kgillhey ogra you must live in here ;)01:07
ograFTTP: so it totally depands on the state of the shooted stuff.....01:07
EfaistOsapparently not ... quite quicker right now :) thnx01:07
domestikoI did unistall it, and everything's fine01:07
ograkgill: hehe01:07
FTTPogra:  Right, and when there are updates for the shooted stuff it will be on my machine :)01:07
kgillubuntu needs more howtos on its website01:08
ograFTTP: if the sys was broken while the shot was taken yours will be too01:08
ograkgill: go on...its a wiki, everybody can contribute01:08
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FTTPogra:  then ill update01:08
FTTPas long as it installs and aptget is workin01:08
FTTPif it wont install, then ill wait and download the next dailysnapshot01:09
kgilltrying to get gnome meeting setup and have no audio01:09
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kgilland don't see anything in device manager for audio01:09
ograkgill: sorry never used it.....01:09
erikhey, is sed borked for everyone else in hoary?01:09
matsanyone knows how to change fonts on gtk1.x apps (like amule or xmule)?01:10
ograkgill: look in your mixer for the mic01:10
FTTPerik:  they came out with a new update01:10
erikFTTP: oh, sweet01:10
FTTPerik:  u having a problem with sid ?01:10
ograerik: see topic01:10
erikI don't seem to have it yet :(01:10
FTTPthe upgrade it right?01:10
erikoh, duh01:10
erikok, sweet01:10
erikthanks ogra , sorry :p01:10
FTTPerik:  u upgraded and sid wouldnt install right?01:10
FTTPerik:  I reported the bug earlier01:10
FTTPerik:  errr alot of people reported that bug01:10
thoreauputicFTTP: not sid01:11
FTTPi mean sed01:11
thoreauputicFTTP: yeah :)01:11
FTTPthoreauputic typo01:11
thoreauputicOK ;)01:11
FTTPthoreauputic im burning the snapshot now01:11
FTTPi figured ill do it this way01:11
kgillwhere would I look for that?01:11
kgillsound prefs isn't playing a sound01:12
ograkgill: right click on the volume applet.....01:12
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ScognitoExtracting templates from packages: 100%01:13
ScognitoPreconfiguring packages ...01:13
Scognitolet's see :)01:13
kgillstill nothing01:14
FTTPshould i do the update from the internet when i install?01:14
FTTPor should i skip it?01:14
ograkgill: mic is unmuted ?01:14
ScognitoFTTP, update, if you can01:14
kgillthe sound adjust in the uper righ will not go up01:14
kgillnext to the date01:14
FTTPscognito:  cause if u dont update, it wont update in synaptic without adding modifications01:14
FTTPi reported it as a bug they told me to add syntax in synaptic01:14
ograkgill: so you dont have any sound ?01:14
kgillnone at all01:15
kgilland not sure where to see if the right driver is set for the sound card01:15
ograkgill: what soundcard do you have ?01:15
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kgillthis is a donated machine for my project and just got this machine on monday01:16
kgillI have not even taken a look at it01:16
ograkgill: you can look in the device manager.....01:16
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kgillno sound device is listed there01:17
ograkgill: hmm, probably a ISA card..... what kind of system is it ?01:17
kgillthe sound card is embeded on the motherboard01:18
kgillits a throw away dell "I hate dells"01:18
kgillI am a mac and windows system admin for 12 years01:18
kgilland have used redhat of and on as a server since ver. 201:19
ograkgill: never had a dell but i see the laptops fall apart all around me01:19
kgilland now having to learn linux in full depth01:19
thoreauputickgill: try lspci | grep audio01:19
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timellohi there, which tool I can change my screen resolution?01:26
Scognitotimello, computer -> system configuratio -> screen resolution01:27
timelloScognito, I'm using another window manager, could you tell me the name?01:28
cardadortimello: gnome-display-properties01:28
timellocardador, I want to set 1152X864, but it not shows me this option, idea? I put this entry on XF86config-4, but didn't work01:31
cardadortimello: did you restart X after changing it?01:31
timelloyes I did01:32
timelloI give telinit 1 and then telinit301:32
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scopecrptimello that is a supported resolution for the card and monitor?01:33
timelloyes, in other distr it works fine01:33
mojo_'sed' up yet?01:34
scopecrpmojo_ not for me01:34
timelloscopecrp, maybe HorizSync and VertRefresh?01:35
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ogramojo_: see topic01:36
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scopecrptimello to be honest i am a total noob.  someone else can definately help you more01:36
Scognitoerror while upgrading01:36
timelloscopecrp, np thx01:37
Scognitodpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):01:37
Scognito trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin01:37
Scognitodpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)01:37
Scognitoi install with dpkg -force overwrite01:37
ograScognito: kde ??01:37
scopecrptimello i just know that windows supports res's that arent 'officially supported' in some cases01:37
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Scognitoit is for k3b01:37
Scognitok3b rox01:37
ograScognito: ah well....01:37
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luc1f3rGuys, I have a question? can you help me?01:39
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Scognitofor now i'm doing apt-get remove kcontrol and k3b01:39
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luc1f3rI want to increase my screen's resolution01:40
ograScognito: hehe01:40
luc1f3ri knowhow to make the changes01:40
luc1f3rbut I can't get above 1024x768 @60Hz01:40
luc1f3rand that's a lot less than I used to have on MSwindows01:41
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FTTPthe hoary developmental release installation failed and did some weird stuff01:41
FTTPoh well :)01:42
Scognitoi'm just upgrading01:42
Scognitofor the first time01:42
scarooFTTP, it s a sed related issue, it is knowand being fixed01:42
FTTPscognito thats the way to do it01:42
cardadorluc1f3r: find the horizontal sync and vertical refresh for your monitor01:42
EfaistOswhere in gconf-editor  can i change the value of nautilus to avoid opening mutiple windows ?01:42
FTTPscaroo:  You mean the xserver failure and the weird screen stuff?01:42
luc1f3rcardador: what are those?01:42
FTTPscaroo im talking about loading the iso from developmental cd01:43
cardadorluc1f3r: google for your monitor specifications01:43
scarooFTTP, ow, sorry, i misunderstood :p01:43
ograFTTP: he doesnt know you installed from the snapshot CD01:43
FTTPogra oh01:43
luc1f3rlike, type in my monitor make and model?01:43
luc1f3rand look for what?01:43
FTTPim gonna wait for hoary rc releases01:43
FTTPand then report bugs01:43
cardadorluc1f3r: find the horizontal sync and vertical refresh for your monitor01:43
FTTPdevelopmental releases too buggy01:43
ograFTTP: they are fo rdevelopment :)01:44
FTTPi know01:44
luc1f3rokay, let me check01:44
FTTPogra:  Beta releases are ok but not daily snapshots :P01:44
thoreauputicFTTP: I tried some firefox daily builds a while ago - they looked great for the 5 microseconds they were on my screen ;)01:45
ograFTTP: hoary has one huge change to come....this could break a lot of stuff.....the extraction of the language packs from all software.....01:45
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scopecrpi use firefox nightlies01:46
Keybukogra: there's still some debate about how to accomplish that01:46
ograFTTP: this will be a gigantic effort......01:46
scopecrpi build my own actually01:46
FTTPogra yep01:47
FTTPogra:  I hear ya01:47
luc1f3rcardador: vertical freq: 48-160 Hz   Horizontal freq: 30-94 kHz01:47
ograKeybuk: but its policy ... as i understood, so it will happen anyway.....or am i wrong ?01:47
Keybukit's a "would very much like", yes01:47
cardadorluc1f3r: do you have warty or hoary?01:47
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ograKeybuk: yep thats how i understoo it.....and it will be a great thing....once done :)01:48
discordanyone know if their is a package for slackware and what url i need to add to sources.lst to grab it?01:48
discordi mean01:48
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luc1f3rcardador, warty01:48
ograbonobo: flash discord01:49
bonobodiscord: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:49
ogradiscord: hear the bonobo bot :)01:49
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discordbonobo isn;t that some sort of ape?01:49
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cardadorluc1f3r: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-401:50
ogradiscord: maybe.... its our url bot :)01:50
EfaistOswhere in gconf-editor  can i change the value of nautilus to avoid opening mutiple windows when you open a directory ?01:50
bronsonI apt-get upgraded to Hoary today.01:50
luc1f3rcardador: do that in terminal?01:50
ograEfaistOs: do it in nautils own options01:50
trans_errI'm having troubles with my nvidia card and I'm not sure if its me or the hardware... The card works fine with the open source 'nv' driver or when the card is started with NvAGP="1" with the nvidia driver-- however if I switch to NvAGP="2" to push up performance-- It freezes the display after only 10 - 15 seconds.... Any ideas before I call newegg?01:50
cardadorluc1f3r: then go to section "monitor" and it will be pretty obvious the changes you need to make01:50
cardadorluc1f3r: yes01:50
ograbronson: seen the topic ? :)01:51
trans_errOh a bit of info... I have an nforce 1 mobo and a the new card is an FX570001:51
bronsonogra: yup.01:51
EfaistOsogra, ?01:51
bronsonogra: wish i'd seen that before I tried tho...01:51
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ograbronson: just wait a day.....wil be fixed soon01:52
Scognito"non solum, sed etiam" (latin)01:52
cardadortrans_err: nvagp 1 is good01:52
discordbonobo: here's a banana01:52
bronsonwill do.01:52
cardadortrans_err: did you read what nvagp 2 does?01:52
ograEfaistOs: in nautilus ... edit->settings01:52
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trans_errcardador, but I see horrible performance in ut200401:52
cardadortrans_err: did you install the nvidia driver?01:52
ograEfaistOs: the "behavoir" ? tab .... soryy, german sys here01:53
cardadortrans_err: i have ut2004 and it runs very well01:53
ogratrans_err: did you take the ubuntu package for the driver ?01:54
trans_errcardador, yes the binary driver is installed- I've tried both the ubuntu and the NVIDIA package01:54
ogratrans_err: on warty or hoary ?01:54
cardadortrans_err: and you did all the changes to xf86config-4, etc01:54
ogracardador: the package brings a script to do that easily01:55
FTTPis it possible for ubuntu to use a gui installer based off the progeny one?01:55
cardadorogra: but if you mess with it, it is useless :)01:55
FTTPfor gui installers there is so much already out in opensource01:55
trans_errcardador, yes- I'm quite familiar with the nvidia drivers (i have an nforce board...)01:55
FTTPno need to reinvent the wheel01:56
FTTPjust modify whats out already01:56
FTTPfor ubuntu01:56
ograFTTP: dont you think the installer works fine ?01:56
FTTPogra not for someone new to linux, no01:56
cardadorhas anyone tried the auto hinting for the fonts? it really look a lot better01:56
scopecrpcardador i agree01:57
FTTPogra we can just pop in a better installer, there are plenty to choose from01:57
fissyauto hinting?01:57
ograFTTP: whats the task someone new to linux couldnt do with it ?01:57
FTTPogra:  even the new debian text based one is better01:57
scopecrpcardador looks better than windows on my laptop01:57
cardadorfissy: go to the ubuntu forum, howto section01:57
FTTPogra:  Someone new will think their computer has problems01:57
ograFTTP: they are the same....01:57
FTTPogra:  oh, ubuntu uses the newer debian installer?01:57
trans_errogra, hoary01:57
Scognitoupdate finished01:57
Scognitono errors reported01:57
FTTPogra:  the SID installer?01:58
scopecrpi have never been so impressed with the polish of a distro as i am with ubuntu01:58
Scognitoreloading X session01:58
fissyogra, it just looks slightly scary compared to a pretty gui interface.... it reinforces preconceptions people might have about linux, especially the hard drive partitioning part01:58
Scognitohoping for the best01:58
cardadorfissy: try to partition a drive at windows01:58
FTTPogra what does the older debian installer look like? :)01:58
Scognitoops, other package to be upgraded...01:59
Scognitolet's wait :)01:59
ogratext based01:59
FTTPogra no i mean for the newer debian there is a newer installer01:59
FTTPis this the newer installer thats on ubuntu?01:59
thoreauputicFTTP: the new Debian installer is not a sid installer - it installs sarge01:59
FTTPthoreauputic yeah the sarge one i mean01:59
FTTPthoreauputic:  is ubuntu the same as sarge?01:59
cardadorFTTP: its based on sid02:00
ograFTTP: debian supports 11 arches.....there will always be a textbased one.....probably enhanced with gtk for i386 etc02:00
FTTPcardador:  now im confused02:00
FTTPis it sid or sarge?02:01
mjrubuntu is based on sid but similar to sarge in that sarge is also based on sid of similar age :)02:01
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mjrand you thought you were confused02:01
ogratrans_err: so the package definately wont work for you02:01
thoreauputicFTTP: installer -> sarge       ubuntu -> based on sid02:01
FTTPogra:  My point is this:  The installer needs work whether they use text or gui........ people will see those FATAL errors and get confused02:02
cardadorfissy: anyone that can install windows, is more than qualified to install linux.02:02
ograFTTP: in the installer ?02:02
FTTPlike i did02:02
scopecrpis it possible to install from the livecd?02:02
FTTPogra:  When it installs it gives those errors02:02
FTTPoh wait thats upon boot02:02
Scognitook everything installed02:02
FTTPthe installer had the problem of not detecting the monitor right02:02
Scognitoreloading X02:02
ograFTTP: this will be fixed in hoary02:03
FTTPand was confusing based on the update internet apps02:03
FTTPand when u do that02:03
ograscopecrp: use the installer02:03
FTTPsome of the files had issues02:03
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FTTPogra:  when hoary is closer to release ill try the betas :)02:03
kgillhey ogra |spci| grep audio does nothing02:04
FTTPogra:  the hoary goals sound good02:04
kgillalso tried it with sudo02:04
FTTPogra:  Pretty much everything that needs to be done02:04
ograFTTP: do that ! it wil be a great distro02:04
ograkgill: no need for sudo there.....02:04
thoreauputickgill: lspci  ( that's an "ell")02:04
scopecrpogra do you mean there is an 'installer' on the livecd or that i should use the install cd02:04
nateI did an "apt-get install fluxbox".  how do I get it running as my desktop environment?02:04
FTTPogra:  gui installer should not be a priority as long as the text installer works right02:04
ograscopecrp: use the installer CD i meant02:05
FTTPogra i would want a working text installer, then create the gui one02:05
kgillthoreaputic: "ell"?02:05
ograFTTP: yep...thats my point02:05
scopecrpogra because the install cd doesnt recognize any of my cd/dvd drives02:05
kgillis that  like a .dll?02:05
scopecrp(ive tried 5 different ones)02:05
thoreauputickgill:  lspci  (not |spci| )02:05
ograkgill: the letter L02:05
FTTPogra hoary works well tho....... should be able to change monitor directly in gnome tho :)02:05
FTTPogra its not like it detected the monitor where it was unreadable or anything, it got my refresh rates wrong and the like02:06
ograscopecrp: 5 different ones ??02:06
scopecrpand unfortunately i cannot copy the iso to another drive because im using a non-linux raid card for my other 4 harddrives02:06
FTTPogra also that part about choosing resolutions for the monitor is confusing for some02:06
ograscopecrp: there is only one for each arch02:06
kgillok got it02:07
FTTPogra:   it should just have a choice of monitors instead02:07
scopecrpogra aye, a tdk dvdr, 2 sony cdr's, a liteon cdr and a cheap creative cd drive02:07
FTTPogra rather than asking which resolutions the monitor does up to02:07
FTTPmost new distros do that now02:07
ograFTTP: nope, it should just detect.....02:07
kgillbut need to do a  comand with it?02:07
FTTPogra i disagree02:07
FTTPogra it should detect, but then ask you to confirm02:07
scopecrpi have more harddrives but my powersupply has no more power plugs on it02:08
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FTTPogra unless it can detect it 100%02:08
ograFTTP: thats the goal !02:08
FTTPogra:  but some monitors cant be detected02:08
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ograFTTP: so you need a default and a fallback....02:09
thoreauputicFTTP: you mean like the mandrake thing where you get to test it before continuing?02:09
FTTPthoreauputic:  I never tried mandrake02:09
FTTPa long time ago maybe02:09
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ograkgill: type it in a terminal.....it lists your pci devices02:09
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FTTPthoreauputic:  the part where u have to select the resolutions the monitor can handle up to is just so outdated, many distros used to be like that02:10
Telepright, managed to fiddle firefox 1.0 onto my warty :)02:10
ograscopecrp: have you already looked at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?02:10
Telepthanks to scoon02:10
FTTPthoreauputic:  the installer needs more work02:10
FTTPwhether we stick to gui or text02:10
thoreauputicFTTP: so you've said ;-)02:10
kgillit comes up with a usage screen02:11
scopecrpogra not thorougly no, i just havent made myself do it yet02:11
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ograkgill: show the command (cop n paste) you typed02:11
Scognitoogre everything works FINE02:11
FTTPthoreauputic:  hoary will have more of the internals covered up right?02:11
ograScognito great !02:11
FTTPto make it less confusion for newbies02:11
FTTPi think that was part of the goals like to make it boot quicker into the splashscreens02:12
Scognitoogra, i have still xfree02:12
thoreauputicFTTP: I don't know - you'd need to ask one of the developers like jdub02:12
Scognitohow can i change it?02:12
ograScognito: did you install ubuntu-desktop before the install ?02:13
ograScognito: if its not installed.... install it.....02:13
FTTPogra actually i dont like the progeny installer02:13
FTTPerrr and thoreauputic02:13
Scognitodon't remember02:13
FTTPsee that screen02:13
kgillno audio devices show up with - v02:13
FTTPthats what i dont like in text02:13
FTTPalot of people dont know what res there monitors can handle02:13
FTTPshould autodetect the res :)02:13
ograkgill: i think its a ISA card....02:14
kgillisa shows up with a -t02:15
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ograkgill: read the manpage .....02:15
thoreauputicFTTP: yes, that's what I meant about the Mandrake installer - you choose a monitor and then click to test if it works as expected: if not you can go back and retry02:16
ograkgill: i.e.: man lspci02:16
kgillso isa, ide,usb,acpi(not sure what this is) and the video card02:16
Scognitoogra, in ubuntu-desktop there are LOT of unnedeed packages02:16
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kgillyup already read it02:16
Scognitocan i install xorg separately02:16
FTTPthoreauputic:  The installer part needs to be debated among developers02:16
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ograScognito: its needed for a clean upgrade02:16
FTTPbut we need a better solution than there is now02:16
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trans_errIf i'm using NvAGP="1" should agpgart and nvidia_agp be loaded?02:17
scopecrpogra what package should i search for in bugzilla re: the cd drives?02:17
ograscopecrp: probably raid ?02:18
thoreauputickgill: try  lspci | grep audio   and see if you get anything02:18
ograthoreauputic: its a ISA card.....02:18
thoreauputicogra: ah Ok - sorry02:18
kgillnothing comes up02:18
ograsorry guys, my girl gets angry slowly.....have to go to bed......2am02:18
kgillno errors just exicutes the command02:19
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kgillthankx ogra02:19
ograkgill: try to find out the cardname.... then look for the module in /lib/modules/ the guys will help you.....02:20
FTTPthoreauputic and ogra:  http://www.osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=173&slide=2302:20
ogranight all02:20
FTTPfedora has it where you just select the resolution you want to use, not the resolutions you want to use02:21
FTTPerr i mean02:21
FTTPlike with ubuntu u have to select several resolutions that you want to be able to use02:21
FTTPwith fedora u only select one resolution but i believe it sets u up to switch amongst all of them02:22
FTTPfedora doesnt ask for monitor type either02:22
FTTPi thought it did02:22
FTTPthat was redhat which did i guess :P02:22
FTTPprolly older versions02:23
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Gnobodyne1 here?02:25
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thoreauputicGnobody: no, the 268 others are figments of your imagination ;-)02:26
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GnobodyI am going crazy ;)02:26
trans_errHow do I stop agpgart from starting at boot?02:27
kgillI am looking at the lib/modules....../......./......./sound/isa02:27
Gnobodyhow do I get the gnome services panel back in hoary??02:27
kgilland see alot*.ko files02:27
trans_errcan anyonle help me disable agpgart from starting?02:29
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Scognitoeverything works02:29
Scognitoxorg installed02:29
Scognitothnx for help oddabe1902:30
Scognitosorry, ogra02:30
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PorscheBoycan u upgrade the kernel using apt-get?02:34
FTTPubuntu dropped to #20 on distrowatch02:35
FTTPfor 12 mths02:35
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FTTPit was #1302:35
FTTPthe last i looked :(02:36
thoreauputicFTTP: normal. The "new toy" effect is wearing off, that's all02:37
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CoffeeManHow do I get unsupported Debian packages in Ubuntu?02:38
FTTPthoreauputic:  hoary should be exciting....... right now warty is good for usage but has a few quirks02:38
FTTPthoreauputic:  Warty is great for a 1st release tho IMHO02:39
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CoffeeManwhat is IMHO02:40
discordcoffeman: my guess would be add debian sources to your sources.lst02:40
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trans_errdoes anyone please know how to disable agpgart from starting?02:40
CoffeeMandiscord: Why thank you, is that all?02:40
trans_errI looked through rc, modules.conf, everything...02:40
CoffeeManwhat is IMHO?02:40
FTTPvery interesting02:40
discordcoffeeman: its just a guess but you should try messing around with aptitude instead of synaptic02:41
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discordcoffeeman: In My Humble Opinon02:41
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discordor URaHO02:41
CoffeeMandiscord: I appreciate it, but I don't like aptitude, I like either synaptic, or just the terminal.02:42
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thoreauputicadding debian sources will break your installation in strange and unusual ways02:42
CoffeeManthoreauputic: how so?02:43
thoreauputicCoffeeMan: ubuntu has its own repositories - and Ubuntu's dependencies are different, and so on02:44
thoreauputicbonobo: synaptic CoffeeMan02:44
bonoboCoffeeMan: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto02:44
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thoreauputicbonobo: mplayer CoffeeMan02:45
bonoboCoffeeMan: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats02:45
thoreauputicother restricted formats... also enable universe and multiverse02:45
kensaibonobo is a kool guy ;)02:45
thoreauputicbonobo: multiverse CoffeeMan02:47
bonoboCoffeeMan: Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"02:47
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thoreauputicbonobo: universe CoffeeMan02:47
bonoboCoffeeMan: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages02:47
thoreauputicCoffeeMan: that should keep you busy for a while ;-)02:48
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liberaltugboati was wondering if anyone knows of any really good linux web portals I could use as my home page02:51
kensailiberaltugboat, www.ubuntulinux.org ;)02:51
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liberaltugboatkensai, lol something that has news on it02:53
kensailiberaltugboat, I always use distrowatch.com very useful or linux.org or osnews.com no other02:54
gloin_I'm having trouble updating my nvidia drivers - I've got the correct kernel sources, and I've got a compiler, but the nvidia installer craps out every time.02:54
thoreauputicbonobo: nvidia gloin_02:54
bonobogloin_: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto02:54
liberaltugboatgloin_, are you in X when you try to compile it?02:55
gloin_ahh binary driver02:55
gloin_thoreauputic: counterintuitive name of that howto - i was just there02:55
gloin_liberaltugboat: yeah lol, it's something else02:55
thoreauputicgloin_: read the bonobo bot URL :)02:55
FTTPhow is the gnoppix different than ubuntu livecd?02:55
liberaltugboatcause it will not compile while in X02:55
FTTPis the latest gnoppix = ubuntu?02:55
gloin_liberaltugboat: duh =P02:55
FTTPfor the livecd or are they still a little different02:55
liberaltugboatFTTP, gnoppix is working with ubuntu to make the live cd better02:55
FTTPliberaltugboat right but is the latest gnoppix livecd the same as ubuntu?02:56
FTTPor are they different?02:56
liberaltugboatyeah pretty much02:56
liberaltugboatmight be a tad different02:56
liberaltugboatbut it is based on ubuntu02:56
Telephmm, dma is not being enabled on my cd drive by default. What do I need to edit so it enables it on boot?02:57
Gwildorlike a customized ubuntu02:57
liberaltugboatonly way to know is DL it02:57
gloin_thoreauputic: the URL referenced does not show how to install current drivers, which are at 6629 - the deb package is 6111, which is deprecated and a LOT slower02:57
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mojo_arhh, I stuck with the **** sed for more than a day, I just want to get my box restart, can someone push up the slow turtle cron.tab?02:57
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gloin_does anyone know how to compile the drivers from nvidia?02:58
liberaltugboatgloin you might want to see if there is a .deb pack in the hoary tree02:58
thoreauputicgloin_: well, sorry I just invoked the bot - I don't know about nvidia drivers, sorry02:58
syamajalaanyone tried ubuntu in virtual pc on a mac?02:58
gloin_liberaltugboat: I'm reluctant to do a .deb package unless absolutely neccessary02:58
Gnobodyyou need kernel-headers02:58
gloin_Gnobody: thx02:58
Gnobodybut you need them for your exact kernel version02:59
syamajaladoes your ethernet card need to work for the installation?02:59
FTTPubuntu uses the same debian prompt at the beginning02:59
PorscheBoycan u install a new kernel image with apt-get in ubuntu?02:59
FTTPlike with the logo and all02:59
gloin_Gnobody: Package kernel-headers has no installation candidate02:59
FTTPwhen it boots i mean02:59
Gnobodyyou also need make and gcc02:59
gloin_that's from apt-get install kernel-headers02:59
moyogosyamajala: you can install with the cd only02:59
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Gnobodygloin_ use synaptic02:59
gloin_I have to start X then =[02:59
syamajalamoyogo, it keeps failing for me02:59
Gnobodyyou can do it without02:59
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liberaltugboatuse aptitude03:00
Gnobodyuname -r03:00
liberaltugboatthen you dont have to start x03:00
FTTPhoary too unstable :(03:00
Gnobodyyeah or that03:00
syamajalamoyogo, it gets up to the bsd package and says something about the ethernet card03:00
FTTPif u update it its ok tho03:00
Gnobodyhoary isnt bad03:00
FTTPgnobody:  try the developmental iso :P03:00
Gnobodyno thanx03:00
FTTPgnobody:  Hoary is ok if you upgrade :P03:00
PorscheBoyFTTP, i agree with u that's y i'm running pure debian right now03:00
liberaltugboathoary is in pre beta status of course it is unstable03:00
FTTPporscheboy:  yeah i should do pure debian03:01
gloin_E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-
FTTPfor the time being03:01
gloin_I have to reboot to get X working03:01
FTTPtill ubuntu gets better :P03:01
PorscheBoyFTTP, i'm running Debian Sarge03:01
thoreauputicgloin_: apt-cache search linux-headers03:01
gloin_/etc/init.d/gdm start throws an error that something isn't unloading when X quits03:01
Gnobodydid you upgrade to an i686 kernel gloin_?03:01
FTTPporscheboy:  i can install it over the net right?03:01
PorscheBoyman, u can upgrade the kernel images like u upgrade software with apt-get03:01
FTTPubuntu is great tho, dont get me wrong03:01
PorscheBoyi know03:02
FTTPi just want to try sarge....... ubuntu has more potential and it all goes back to debian anyways03:02
gloin_Gnobody: yeah, that's the output from uname-r03:02
FTTPporscheboy:  Can i do a network install tho ?03:02
FTTPporscheboy:  Just download 1 iso then net install what i want right?03:02
FTTPsee i dont need all the debian packages03:02
PorscheBoyFTTP, that's how i installed my debian03:02
PorscheBoysame here03:03
Gnobodytry  kernel-headers-
gloin_I was trying to install "kernel-headers" but needed "linux-headers"03:03
gloin_it's okay03:03
FTTPporscheboy:  ok ill do that :P i should use the new installer iso right?03:03
gloin_I got the 686 package03:03
Gnobodymy mistake03:03
PorscheBoyso it's that's yes03:03
gloin_now it builds =] 03:03
PorscheBoyuse Sarge iso03:03
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gloin_I wonder how long it will take for a .deb file with current nvidia-drivers03:04
FTTPporscheboy: wheres the link?03:04
GnobodyI don't know I thought it would be on universe by now03:04
PorscheBoylet me look it up...hold on03:04
Gnobodyespecially with x.org03:04
FTTPporscheboy:  netinst CD image, with Debian base03:04
FTTPthat one right?03:04
GnobodyI wonder when the new artwork will be in Hoary?03:04
FTTPi found it03:05
FTTPright on the website03:05
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thoreauputicFTTP:  http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/03:05
FTTPyeah thats where im downloading from03:06
FTTPim gonna see how sarge is different03:06
FTTPprolly not that much tho03:06
FTTPporscheboy:  You would go with the weekly?03:06
FTTPthats how i messed up my ubuntu :P03:06
liberaltugboathehe Im trying to murder my internet connection03:06
liberaltugboattons of DLs going!! w00t03:06
PorscheBoyit's just net install03:06
PorscheBoyit's way more stable than ubuntu03:07
FTTPporscheboy its ok i got it from the main debian website03:07
FTTPnetinst CD image, with Debian base03:07
Gnobodyman the internet in general is slow for me03:07
Gwildorliberaltugboat, with what?03:07
FTTPthat one from the installer site03:07
Gnobodymainly HTTP stuff03:07
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GnobodyI think it is because of the new MSN search bots03:07
liberaltugboati got some linux ISOs on the way, a ton of music, I know it could handle more03:07
FTTPporscheboy no thanks03:07
FTTPi got this one:03:07
PorscheBoythat's good i think i got that one03:08
SensebendI'm upgrading to hoary03:08
FTTPoh wait03:08
FTTPthis is pre-rc203:08
FTTPdid rc2 come out yet?03:08
FTTPor no?03:08
PorscheBoyjust burn it and it will configure ur network and then apt-get update and install gnome or kde or whatever03:09
FTTPerasing cd03:09
FTTPthen will burn03:10
Gnobodysid would be nice if it didn't break everything for me03:10
PorscheBoyFTTP, can u paste the text from sources.list on here so i can get the link to ubuntu repositories03:10
FTTPporscheboy:  That installer that ubuntu is using was just taken from debian anyways03:10
PorscheBoyit's the same crap03:11
FTTPso likely it will improve anyways03:11
FTTPporscheboy yeah03:11
PorscheBoyexact same thing03:11
FTTPporscheboy:  Yep03:11
FTTPthe installer could be a bit better03:11
PorscheBoyall i know is that it's doesn't freeze my computer like ubuntu did03:11
FTTPubuntu didnt freeze me03:11
FTTPi like ubuntu alot03:11
FTTPi just want to try debian sarge to see the differences03:12
Gnobodywhat do you mean freeze?03:12
Gwildorsynaptic gives me a nasty 5 line message, join #flood if you would like to try to help03:12
PorscheBoywell, ubuntu has a bug that affects people with AMD and NVidia systems03:12
GnobodyI have both03:12
FTTPi have p4 and nivida03:12
GnobodyI have AMD and Nvdidia03:12
gloin_broke my x server03:12
Gnobodywhat bug?03:12
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FTTPporsacheboy report bug, should be fixed for final hoary :)03:13
PorscheBoywell, it would lock up my gnome and i can't even do alt-ctrl-f1 to get out of X03:13
liberaltugboatdoes anyone know of any cheap linux compatible dial up internet providers03:13
gloin_Gnobody: how to get xorg on here?03:13
FTTPliberaltugboat:  any!03:13
FTTPliberaltugboat:  linux uses ppp03:13
PorscheBoyFTTP, hoary has a bug also...the Desktop window doesn't refresh sometimes03:13
FTTPliberaltugboat:  any but aol03:13
FTTPaol uses its own shit03:14
FTTPliberaltugboat:  any ppp provider will work03:14
Gnobodysudo apt-get install xserver-xorg gloin_03:14
Gnobodyand do a system upgrade03:14
FTTPliberaltugboat:  www.thelist.org03:14
Gnobodysudo apt-get upgrade03:14
Gnobodyafter a sudo apt-get update03:14
gloin_ahh the upgrade is what I'm missing03:15
FTTPliberaltugboaT:  Sorry wrong url03:15
PorscheBoyFTTP, can i have the link to ubuntu repositories?03:15
PorscheBoyit;s in ur sources.list03:15
FTTPporscheboy im in windows now03:15
gloin_Gnobody: and then a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right?03:15
FTTPmy ubuntu is f0xed03:15
FTTPi installed from the daily images03:16
FTTPfor hoardy03:16
Gnobodyno you don't need to03:16
FTTPerr hoary03:16
FTTPi got weird errors, and it wont even let me log into text install03:16
Gnobodyyou may need xorg-common too03:16
gloin_Gnobody: does it automatically replace XFree86?03:16
FTTPim installing sarge on that drive now03:16
GnobodyI know03:16
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Gnobodyyou won't for long gloin_03:16
Gnobodyand then you have the best xserver you can get03:17
gloin_still need the newer nvidia driver03:17
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gloin_<--doom3 junky03:17
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kapputuhi all03:17
GnobodyYeah I know DooM 3 blows03:17
Gnobodyit is a tech demo03:17
Gnobodyfor the engine03:17
SensebendDoom 3 Blows compared to HL2 :)03:17
kapputubonobo: vmware03:17
gloin_I was getting 25 fps in timedemo without precaching03:17
kapputuok good03:18
gloin_ubuntu has much better framerate03:18
gloin_I think it's pretty good03:18
Gnobody<--- 6800 NU03:18
kapputuhow good is wine03:18
HrdwrBoBI know03:18
Gnobodywine is ok03:18
HrdwrBoBmade from grapes and everything03:18
kapputulet me clarify, I'm not trying to get drunk here03:18
Gnobodywhat do you want to run?03:18
kensaikapputu, when old better thats the pleasure of wine ;)03:18
gloin_Gnobody: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg03:19
kapputumore like an emergency thing03:19
gloin_apt-cache search xorg returned nothing03:19
Gnobodyit is easiest to use a front-end for Wine like Cedega or CrossoverOffice but there are a ton of tutorials on the net for Wine03:19
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kapputuI'm planning to get rid of Windows03:20
gloin_<---on warty03:20
Gnobodyoh warty03:20
gloin_with universe and multiverse03:20
Gnobodyyou can't get x.org with warty03:20
Gnobodyyou need hoary in your sources03:20
kensaikapputu, wine is very good until the app you want uses installshield installer but all is perfect03:20
EfaistOsdo u have some problem with sed ?03:20
EfaistOsthe pkg ?03:20
kapputuif I want to buy vmware, should I buy vmware workstation ?03:21
Gnobodyno kapputu03:21
kapputuwhich one?03:21
kensaikapputu, win4lin is better03:21
Gnobodyjust set it up yourself03:21
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kapputuI meant the product03:21
kapputuwhat's win4lin?03:21
kensaikapputu, you shuld read more aboutwin4lin or vmware03:22
Gnobodysudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list03:22
kapputuis win4lin free ?03:22
kensaikapputu, win4lin is the same as wine but better03:22
gloin_Gnobody: emacs =] 03:22
gloin_but anyhow03:22
gloin_what do I want to add in there03:22
EfaistOssome problem with the sed pkg --> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.03:22
EfaistOsinstall-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up03:22
Gnobodychange everything from warty to hoary03:22
kensaikapputu, you need to buy win4lin03:22
EfaistOsi've got this message when upgrading the system :-(03:23
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kensaiEfaistOs, see the topic03:23
kensaiEfaistOs, sed is broken03:23
kapputukensai: why not vmware03:23
kensaiEfaistOs, thats the problem03:23
EfaistOsdidnt see03:23
Gnobodywhy do you want to run a windows virtual machine kapputu?03:24
kapputujust as a backup03:24
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kensaikapputu, I haven't tried vmware but I have heard very good things about win4lin03:24
kapputuI mean in the event that I have to run some windows application03:24
gloin_I've been using linux constantly since 1998 and this is the first distro I've used that's deb-based03:24
kapputuI don't want to go to Windows03:24
kapputulast time I went there, I got infected with a blaster03:24
kensaikapputu, good choice windows free03:25
kapputuhaven't used Windows at home in a month03:25
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Gnobodywell you probably won't need to (honestly) I have found a single thing that without a small search around google that can't be done on Linux that can on Windows03:25
kensaikapputu, Hurray03:25
Gnobodyhave yet*03:25
kapputuI have always wanted to have linux only machines03:25
SensebendGnobody, Adobe CS03:25
gloin_kapputu: I've successfully used some wine or another for any application I've ever needed, and haven't used windows on my home or work desktop in over two years03:25
Gnobodyok one app03:25
kapputubut since I was in school, I din't have much time to poke around03:25
GnobodyI miss photoshop03:26
SensebendMacromedia Studio MX 200403:26
PorscheBoyGnobody, can u give me the link to ubuntu apt-get repositories?03:26
Gnobodybut you can use Wine for those03:26
Gnobodyor atleast 703:26
gloin_Sensebend: wrong - crossover supports studio mx 2k403:26
gloin_=] 03:26
kapputudo you guys know of any good remote development IDE for linux?03:26
SensebendCrossover 4 does?03:26
Gnobodythere isn't much difference between Photoshop 7 and CS03:26
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gloin_Sensebend: there's no cx5 yet =] 03:27
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Sensebendthere is quite a difference03:28
Gnobodydid you get warty working yet gloin_??03:28
gloin_Gnobody: going hoary03:28
kapputuany1 using hoary?03:28
gloin_I somehow totally borked my xserver03:28
genim using hoary kapputu03:28
kapputuany problems with it?03:28
kensaikapputu, 90% of us use hoary03:28
Sensebendautomatic colour matching of seperate images for one03:29
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kensaikapputu, we have a broken package right now03:29
=== gloin_ hopes mozilla firefox will be 1.0 in hoary
genit is..03:29
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kapputuok one of my machines will be blessed with hoary this weekend03:29
gloin_kensai: which package is broken?03:29
magikwhere abouts can i find the grub config file?03:29
kensaigloin_, firefox is already 1.0.2ubuntu2 in hoary I have it and is running rock solid03:29
kapputused is broken?03:29
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kensaigloin_, sed is broken03:30
kapputuis it not like a fundamental package?03:30
Chibised being broken sucks.03:30
ChibiI lost my laptop due to sed being broken.03:30
kensaikapputu, no but doesn't let you apt-get upgrade03:30
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crackthoreauputic, dude, you have been sooo helpful. i owe you alot for opening my mind and helping me03:30
genkensai: doesnt let you do anything03:30
magikwhere abouts can i find the grub config file?03:30
seek187Just install sed from warty03:31
ChibiWas setting up a new kernel at the time.03:31
Sensebendso my dist-upgrade will fail because sed is broken?03:31
kensaigen, LOL, not that much03:31
seek187magik, /boot/grub/menu.1st03:31
genkensai: in terms of apt-get, yes03:31
magikseek187, thanks03:31
ChibiYes, don't dist-upgrade right now.03:31
kensaimagik, /boot/grub03:31
seek187magik, np03:31
kensaigen, youre right03:31
kapputuback to my prev question, I have been hunting for a good IDE for remote development03:32
gloin_I'm doing upgrade right now03:32
gloin_wonder if it'll crap out03:32
kensaigloin_, it should explode only03:32
gloin_still downloading 500 files03:33
kgillcan someone here help me with setting up my sound03:33
seek187gloin_, if if craps out just unmark sed03:33
gloin_so how the hell did someone break >sed< of all things?03:33
gloin_seek187: how do I unmark a specific package03:33
kensaigloin_, oh when you get to 499 it will start again because of sed03:33
seek187gloin_, I only know how to do it in Synaptic :/03:34
oddabe19yeah, how DO we fix this sed thing... more like, when's the new package gonne be on?03:34
oddabe19i read the thread03:34
kensaigloin_, just kidding but I recommend don't upgrade to hoary until tomorrow03:34
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seek187oddabe19, you can install sed from warty03:34
kapputukensai: is it going to be fixed tomm?03:34
Sensebendwell I unmarked sed :)03:34
gloin_kensai: heh, upgrade is started...03:35
seek187me too03:35
kensaikapputu, yep, maybe03:35
Sensebendcontinuing dist-upgrade03:35
gloin_anyone know how to unmark a package from the commandline?03:35
kensaigloin_, cancell it and continue it tomorrow03:35
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gloin_kensai: I might as well go for it - I can't use X right now anyhow03:35
gloin_so I'm kind of stuck with the upgrade03:35
Gnobody"ow is that it's doesn't freeze my computer like ubuntu did03:35
GnobodyFTTP ubuntu didnt free"03:35
kensaigloin_, why can't you use x?03:36
gloin_kensai: because I trashed it trying to upgrade nvidia driver03:36
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gloin_actually I think it was fine until i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:36
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kensaigloin_, weel xorg will fix it03:36
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kensaigloin_, well*03:36
gloin_kensai: heh, assuming I can get to hoary tonight03:36
Gnobodysed is making it so I can't upgrade anymore03:37
gengnobody: yes we know03:37
Gnobodyhas anybody noticed this03:37
gloin_DCastMan: wha?03:37
Gnobodyis there a workaround?03:37
gloin_I can't connect to ubuntu forums03:37
genread the topic03:37
seek187Gnobody, unmark it in Synaptic03:37
gloin_what's up with that?03:37
genseek187, you aren't understanding him03:37
Gnobodyit isn't marked03:37
kensaigloin_, maybe you can get hoary03:38
gloin_and can someone %Bplease%B tell me how to unmark a particular package when using the %Bcommandline%B instead of synaptic?03:38
seek187gen, probably not :P03:38
genyou can't just "unmark" it03:38
seek187Sure you can03:38
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gloin_no X server = no synaptic03:38
jmhodgeshas sed been fixed in hoary yet?03:38
Agrajagwhat about aptitude03:38
gloin_Agrajag: is aptitude cli-based?03:39
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gloin_ahh =] 03:39
Gnobodyaptitude is03:39
Agrajaggloin_: yes, it's quite nice03:39
gloin_see, this is my first deb distro03:39
gloin_so deb is kind of a new world for me03:39
jmhodgesseek187: that an answer to me?03:39
gloin_after all the attempts at rpm-management03:39
kensaijmhodges, nope03:39
seek187jmhodges, yes03:39
Gnobodywelcome to the real linux world gloin_03:39
gloin_lol hush03:39
DCastManYou know what's gay?03:39
stuNNeddirty fix to sed prob: zcat /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz > /usr/share/info/sed.info && apt-get install sed03:39
jmhodgesfun fun :D03:39
seek187sed is still broke03:39
DCastManMaster Chief03:39
gloin_well, downloads done03:39
jmhodgesthanks searcher, kensai03:39
Agrajagmy warty CD was a bad burn, and since I couldn't get a couple of packages off of it (a couple xfree ones), the installer dropped me into aptitude to finish the install03:39
gloin_time to see sed crap out the upgrade if it'll happen03:40
jmhodgesseek187: thanks03:40
timellohi there, How can I load a module on startup?03:40
Agrajagthat was actually pretty well done, I thought03:40
jmhodgesanyone know when the debian sync happens?03:40
gloin_there itis03:40
=== gloin_ wants to know how the hell someone managed to break sed
gloin_of all the things lol03:40
jmhodgestimello: /etc/modules03:40
GnobodystuNNed as root I get "permission denied"03:40
Sensebendyeah strange03:40
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SensebendI imagine Xorg or something like that would be broken03:41
Sensebendbut sed?03:41
timellojmhodges, thx!03:41
jmhodgestimello: np03:41
DCastMansudo plz03:41
DCastManformat /gvg as ReiserFS03:42
gloin_oh fuck03:42
gloin_sorry, language03:42
DCastManformat /gvg as ReiserFS please03:42
DCastMansomone do it for me03:43
gloin_I can't do squat with the broken sed package in the way03:43
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DCastMansomebody please03:43
Sensebendgloin_, unmark sed03:43
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gloin_Sensebend: I'm in cli03:44
gloin_unmarking sed is going to be difficult03:44
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seek187yeah aptitude good idea03:44
Sensebendkinda like synaptic but cli :)03:44
gloin_in base/main, eh?03:44
gloin_err, no03:45
DCastMancan some1 plz03:45
EfaistOskensai, i took the sarge sed pkg and its okay now :)03:45
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gloin_sed is showing as half-configured03:46
kapputuany screenshots of xorg in hoary?03:46
Agrajagkapputu: they'd look exactly the same as xfree03:46
Telepkapputu: it will look exactly the same ;)03:46
seek187gloin_, it's fine just unmark it in aptitude like he said03:46
kappututhen why bother?03:46
AgrajagThe only difference would be if you chose to play around with compose stuff03:46
Agrajagkapputu: it's a hell of a lot faster03:46
EfaistOskapputu, and why not ? :)03:47
seek187If it all comes down to it then you can always install the warty one03:47
Agrajagwhat did you think it was going to do, gold-plate your windows?03:47
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kapputuI never thought about what it was going to do03:47
jmhodgesDCastMan: whats up?03:47
kapputuAgrajag: why would you assume that I assumed that it would gold plate my windows?03:47
geni think he is annoyed by the mindless blabber03:47
DCastManhelp me format /gvg as reiserfs03:48
genor not03:48
kapputuanyway why wasn't it used originally in warty03:48
Agrajagkapputu: I didn't assume that. I asked you if that's waht you expected.03:48
Agrajagkapputu: they wanted to wait for the non-monolithic release03:48
Agrajagbut I think they don't want to wait that long now, or something03:48
kapputuwhat do you mean by non-monolithic03:48
jmhodgesDCastMan: ok, /gvg is not what you want to format... instead, you want to format the partition or device that is mounted at /gvg03:48
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AgrajagThey're splitting up xorg into multiple sections, check out freedesktop.org for more info on that03:49
Agrajagit'll be based on kdrive I think03:49
kapputuwhat's kdrive?03:49
gloin_it wants the CDROM?03:49
Telepbut the release is after Hoary03:49
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jmhodgesDCastMan: /gvg is just the "mount point".. the directory the device is told to "be under" so that the user can access it03:49
kapputufreedesktop.org was hacked03:50
Agrajagkapputu: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html03:50
jmhodgesDCastMan: the file (because all devices are considered files in linux) is somewhere in /dev03:50
jmhodgesfigure out what /dev file is mounted to /gvg and then we can talk :)03:50
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Telepgloin_: you need to comment out the line involving the cd int /etc/apt/sources.list03:50
Agrajaganyway, the non-monolithic xorg will be based on kdrive with some other stuff on top03:50
gloin_Telep: thx03:51
kapputufirefox 1.0 crashed on me a few times when it tried to use mplayer-plugin03:51
kgillanyone here know how to setup Gnomemeeting?03:51
gloin_can someone point me to an online tutorial or howto for aptitude?03:54
gloin_this program is about as intuitive as vi03:54
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seek187gloin_, man aptitude?03:55
DCastManWho is incharge of the Ubuntu project?03:55
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mike_douglasMark Shuttleworth03:55
AgrajagCanonical, Inc.03:55
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Gmailfirefox crashes when ever i use any plug in03:57
gloin_I'm stuck as far as I can tell03:57
gloin_there's only one version of sed showing03:57
gloin_and it's the broken verison03:57
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gloin_how the hell could sed be broken03:58
gloin_of all packages03:58
genstop complaining03:58
gloin_but my desktop is effectively down03:58
gloin_<--on laptop right now03:58
scoongloin: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ or read the man pages on apt-get and dpkg03:58
seek187gloin_, just install the warty version of sed geesh03:58
stuNNedgloin_, it won't boot?04:00
seek187he messed up X..04:00
genhow exactly did you mess up X gloin04:00
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gloin_I changed my sources.list back to warty04:01
gloin_apt-get update pulled down some packages04:01
gloin_but still getting sed error04:01
gloin_where's it cached?04:01
lupus_apt-get clean?04:01
thoreauputicguys, just a gentle reminder: hoary is the development branch and things *will* break - if you can'y handle that, stick with warty04:01
kensaigloin_, i told you don't upgrade to hoary until tomorrow04:02
seek187gloin_, I got it off the cd and installed it with dpkg -i sed_4.1.2-1_i386.deb04:02
regeyagrr.  Aaron Copland - El Saln Mxico.  Nice to see that neither Totem nor Rhythmbox can handle the extended characters in either the filename or the id3 tag.04:02
gloin_got it04:02
genxmms? :)04:02
regeyadon't know, don't want to know.04:03
genxmms > *04:03
regeyawrong, but thanks for playing. ;-D04:03
crimsunregeya: what locale?04:03
crimsuntechnically UTF-8 is _not_ allowed in id3 tags04:03
crimsunhowever, vorbis comments use UTF-8 by default :)04:03
regeyagood point04:04
gloin_xmms makes Bjrk's name look interesting04:04
DCastManBjrk sucks04:04
regeyaI should just use a vorbis-friendly player at work on OS X, and use vorbis at home, true.04:04
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gloin_DCastMan: sacrelige!04:05
Agrajagwoa I just put on some bjrk04:05
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gloin_=] 04:06
Agrajagwait I'm fat and ugly :(04:06
regeyaI don't suppose xmms supports replaygain tags in mp3s...04:06
Agrajagmight be a plugin for it04:07
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bratscheAnyone here on amd64?04:08
gloin_I wish04:08
Sensebendwell upgrade to hoary went fine04:08
Sensebendwith sed unmarked04:08
gloin_Sensebend: good to know =] 04:09
gloin_looks like my xserver is still broken04:09
gloin_I did manage to get xorg installed04:09
crimsunregeya: no, it doesn't, unfortunately04:09
bratscheI'm getting errors trying to update base-files.04:10
crimsunregeya: I just mp3gain all my mp3s04:10
calcbratsche: yea04:10
gloin_I'm going to have to try and figure out how to do a system upgrade from aptitude with sed unmarked...04:10
bratschecalc: Okay.. just checking to see if that's a known problem.  I'll try again tomorrow.04:10
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calcbratsche: haven't booted into ubuntu in a few weeks, so haven't seen the issue04:11
scoongloin_: check the link i gave you and you won't need to "figure out anything"04:11
bratschecalc: Well, I think it just started since Saturday.  I went out of town on Sunday morning and just got home today, and it just started for me.04:12
linux_mafiagloin_, i can tell you how to fix the sed thing if you want04:12
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gloin_linux_mafia: yeah?  non-sarcasm?04:13
scoongloin_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/04:13
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linux_mafiagloin_, sarcasm?04:13
gloin_linux_mafia: you offered to help fix the sed thing - were you serious, or joking?04:14
DCastManyou guys are so racist04:14
linux_mafiagloin_, serious04:14
gloin_linux_mafia: cool... how?04:14
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kbreitI'm in VMware with Ubuntu and it's not getting a DHCP addy.04:15
thoreauputicDCastMan: what on earth are you talking about?04:15
DCastManoh nothing04:15
gloin_thoreauputic: I think he's referring to scoon04:15
DCastManI'm leaving04:15
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gloin_he left04:16
linux_mafia1. dl wartys sed 2. extract the deb using dpkg-deb -x <package-name> <some-dir> 3. sudo cp <some-dir>/usr/share/info/sed.info.gz /usr/share/info04:16
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scoonwait, what happened ? how did my name and racism get into play ?04:16
gloin_linux_mafia: thx04:16
gloin_scoon: "coon" is often used in a racist way - that's my best guess04:17
kensaiscoon, lol I ask that myself04:17
gloin_but since he left without expatiating, we'll never know04:17
scoonfunny, but my name is skip coon04:17
gloin_like I say, "best guess"04:17
scoonor care.  bastard04:17
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dcmExcuse me04:17
dcmCould I get some signatures?04:18
gloin_ok wtf is going on here04:18
linux_mafiagloin_, btw, i found that info on forum, it worked for me, *BUT* it may be a bad thing to do, i dont know if it will affect anything later, im not a dev or a programmer, i assume its a safe hack, but ymmv04:18
gloin_linux_mafia: I couldn't get to the forum... so thanks!04:19
gloin_dcm: what the fuck is your point?04:19
gloin_or problem?04:19
dcmWhat do you mean?04:19
linux_mafiagloin_, i found it in a debian forum anyway04:19
kapputuany IDEs for remote development04:19
scoondcm: there are only 2 siggys ?  also, are you trolling ?04:19
gloin_dcm: what is this bullshit about "eugenics"04:19
linux_mafiagloin_, oh and hows oin, and gimly etc04:20
kapputuany place where I'll get an answer for this question?04:20
dcmI just created that04:20
scoonkapputu: CVS ? RCS ?04:20
gloin_linux_mafia: haven't heard about oin, gimly is in some kind of mess involving elves... I don't wanna know to be honest04:20
gloin_dcm: what the fuck is the point of that shit?04:20
dcmRead the description please and watch the language04:20
linux_mafiagloin_, in the hobbit, oin is gloin's son04:20
kapputubasically I just want to be able to work with files on a remote server04:20
scoondcm: you better run and hide.  apparently you have pissed off the masses.04:21
scoonkapputu: cvs04:21
gloin_dcm: I read the description, and it's bullshit.  What are you getting at?  And don't come in here with that BS and then try to scold me about language.04:21
mojo_linux_mafia: can I PM with u about sed?04:21
scoonall right all, racist scoon is rac-ing to get out and go to sleep.04:21
scoongood nite all, it has been fun again.04:21
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linux_mafiadcm, wtf, why dont you ask for it to be called "whitepower linux"04:22
dcmI'm sorry you feel that way gloin04:22
linux_mafiacan someone ban this fucker?04:22
gloin_dcm: then tell us, what exactly is your point?04:22
seek187dcm, Black people can't use linux?04:22
dcm"Whitepower Linux" how shallow04:22
gloin_you seem to think that there is something racist about ubuntu04:22
gloin_or leave04:22
gloin_and take your bullshit with you04:23
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dcmObviously, their greasy fingers slip off the keys04:23
seek187you're an idiot04:23
kensaidcm, you better hide man04:23
kensaidcm, your going to get kill virtually04:23
kapputudcm fo04:23
dcmPlease do not use petty insults04:24
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kapputuyeah you are not worth it04:24
gloin_dcm: then justify your action04:24
stuNNedmay i suggest /ignore ? :)04:24
kensaidcm, your petition is an insult as much as it is a good joke but it's not april 104:24
dcmI'm sorry04:24
dcmYou don't have to sign it04:24
Gnobodywhy did you post04:24
dcmI was looking for signatures04:25
kapputudcm reveal yourself?04:25
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Gnobodywhat is wrong with Ubuntu?04:25
dcmReveal myself?04:25
gloin_dcm: you joined as DCastMan and then left accusing people of racism, now you're back with this petition04:25
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gloin_what the fuck is your problem?04:25
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seek187You're racist petition will not change anything no matter how many people sign it04:25
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kapputuif you think your action is justified, why don't you tell us who you are04:25
kensaidcm, you have your signature and your brothers already thats the only two you'll get LOL04:25
dcmI doubt it04:25
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dcmI will get more04:26
gloin_dcm: you joined as DCastMan and then left accusing people of racism, now you're back with this petition04:26
Agrajagno, you won't04:26
geni signed, with the name "fuck you", ok dcm?04:26
lancelottgloin_: gj spamming04:26
kapputuI pray that you get into some sort of discomfort soon04:26
dcmNo I didn't.04:26
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Sensebendlet's just ignore this blatent troll04:26
s0cksHeya people. What is this channel for?04:26
kapputufor killing racists04:26
Agrajagwhy does it call the black woman african american anyway04:26
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Agrajaghow do you know she's american04:26
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kensaidcm, vah go to hell and keep using Windows04:26
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dcmPlease no04:26
Sensebends0cks, support, general discussion04:26
UdontKnows0cks: for the ubuntu linux distribution, I assume04:27
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dcmI would like to use Ubuntu but I can't until this petition is passed04:27
war2s0cks: about ubuntu linux distribution04:27
gloin_dcm: and why not?04:27
seek187lol omg04:27
dcmBecause I don't feel that it accurately represents the Linux world04:27
seek187You're so sad04:27
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jdubplease just ignore it04:27
stuNNedthis guy is obviously a troll04:27
kensaikick that bastard already04:27
Agrajagobviously dcm is a rising star in the KKK and can't bear to use anything with a black woman on it04:28
gendcm, shut the fuck up04:28
dcmI live in a house, not under a bridge04:28
jdubgen: please ignore it, don't contribute04:28
UdontKnowokay, guys04:28
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s0cksIndeed. Just ignore him.04:28
stuNNedsee part of topic ->offtopic -> #ubuntu-offtopic please, go there to talk about this kind of crap.04:28
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s0cksI am a Red Hat person. Convince me to change.04:28
dcmThis is on topic04:28
dcmThis a room about Ubuntu Linux04:28
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s0cksI want opinions on what distro to move into.04:28
gloin_jdub: please kickban04:28
Sensebends0cks, apt-get :)04:28
dcmThe petition is about Ubuntu Linux04:28
seek187s0cks, no rpm's :P04:28
AgrajagSensebend: you can use apt in redhat though04:28
Sensebendyeah true04:29
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Sensebendbut it's easier just to use a debian based distro04:29
AgrajagIt's a much easier setup process04:29
stuNNedjmhodges, lol04:29
dcmAm I getting any signatures here?04:29
s0cksI was thinking of doing Mandrake04:29
Sensebendnice little community too04:29
kensais0cks, Ubuntu is great man the change from red hat to ubuntu is good I've done it myself04:29
s0cksWhy do i need an easier setup? It is already setup.04:29
SensebendI switch from debian sarge to ubuntu04:29
Agrajags0cks: oh god mandrake is a buggy piece of shit04:29
Agrajagmy opinion, of course.04:29
kensaiMandrake = BUGS04:29
genmandrake is a very bloated04:29
SensebendMandrake is good for multimedia though04:29
AgrajagSensebend: what04:30
dcmAlright then04:30
s0ckshmm... How about fedora?04:30
dcmThank you for your inhostility.04:30
jdubleave out the distro discussion too please04:30
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s0cksOk. Sorry. Looking for common opinion.04:30
thoreauputic#ubuntu-offtopic for distro wars04:30
s0cksI might switch though.04:30
Agrajags0cks: eh, pretty buggy too from what I understand.04:30
Agrajaggive it a try04:30
SensebendFedora Core 3 isn't too bad04:30
s0cksCan you cluster with this?04:30
Agrajaganything you can do in linux, you can do in ubuntu04:31
deangcan someone give me a URL to the installation screen that described the root password?04:31
UdontKnowracism is not really ontopic on the whole network. I'll have a chat with dcm04:31
s0cksRoot pass is for all admin usage.04:31
gloin_why he was not banned outright is what I wanna know...04:31
s0cksBasically your all access pass.04:31
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Agrajagdeang: what do you mean04:31
Agrajags0cks: there is no root password in a default ubuntu install04:31
s0cksI got spammed a swastika and he got no punishment from freenode.04:31
deangwell, I didn't read that screen. :P  And not sure what to use when I sudo.  Must I re-install?04:31
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jdubgloin_: because there is no point responding unless it gets ridiculous.04:31
UdontKnows0cks: uh? who are you talking about?04:32
jdubgloin_: and i would ask you to not encourage it by responding ni future.04:32
s0cksmsg me udontknow04:32
Agrajagdeang: no04:32
UdontKnows0cks: mind moving this to pm or to #freenode?04:32
Agrajagdeang: you use your user's password04:32
jdubdeang: there's a FAQ about it on the website.04:32
linux_mafiajdub, do you still do bluetooth packages in your own repo, or are they just in the main repos now?04:32
kapputuok I have Ubuntu on my laptop04:32
Agrajagsudo <whatever> then give the password you always use04:32
jdublinux_mafia: they're in my repo, but not updated04:32
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kapputuwhen I shut it down, the laptop power LED doesn't go off04:32
Agrajagyou CAN set a root password, but I don't reccommend it04:33
kapputuI have to manually power it off04:33
s0cksAFK at the moment. Attending to other networks and such.04:33
seek187My laptop does that too04:33
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Agrajagkapputu: is acpid running?04:33
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gennight kensai04:34
seek187Agrajag, acpid would fix that?04:34
Agrajagif you don't have acpi support working it won't shut down itself04:34
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linux_mafiajdub, ok, just ive noticed, and i guess it must be a kernel/bluez.. thing, that when i plug in my usb bt dongle, my box starts working hard out, i can see the temp rise, and hear the fan revving up, but top etc show nothing taxing the cpu04:34
Agrajagseek187: well no, acpid would be dead at that point, but if acpid is running then kernel acpi support is probably working04:34
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linux_mafiajdub, this only happened recently04:34
jdubdeang: go to the website, type 'root' into the search box04:35
seek187I see04:35
linux_mafiamaybe a hoary issue04:35
thoreauputicbonobo: root deang04:35
bonobodeang: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:35
kapputuAgrajag: how do I get acpi working?04:35
kapputubonobo: thoreauputic04:35
Agrajagkapputu: search me, it Just Worked for me04:35
Agrajagtry the forums/wiki if nobody else here can help04:36
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Agrajagsup dukeku04:37
dukekuwell hi04:37
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deangThanks! :D04:37
s0cksOk. I might try ubuntu. Is there a way I can get a boxed distro?04:38
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Agrajags0cks: you can order a free CD04:38
AgrajagI think04:38
stuNNeds0cks, you can request free cd's to be shipped to you.04:38
Agrajagunless they've closed that to new orders04:38
s0cksOk. Linky?04:39
s0cksI want it now.04:39
TelepI thought they stopped that, the website says 12 Nov04:39
SensebendI still haven't recieved mine04:39
Telepi got mine today04:39
Sensebendordered early october04:39
Agrajags0cks: you'd get it faster by downloading though, honestly04:39
Agrajageven on 56k04:39
Sensebendyeah I want to pass them out though04:39
Agrajagzenwhen: did you ever get yours04:39
Sensebendto people04:39
Teleps0cks: if you're in Finland, I'll send you one of mine ;)04:39
s0cksWhat is the token?04:40
zenwhenI downloaded Ubuntu on my DIALUP connection.04:40
zenwhenRather that wait.04:40
Agrajags0cks: you nee dto create an account04:40
Sensebendwhoa that's patience04:41
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AgrajagIf you already have an account you can enter your email address and password here to update your information. If you have received a CD, you can use the "token" on your CD mailing address label to edit the same information.04:41
s0cks10 cds coming at me.04:41
s0cksOne for me, 9 for my CET class.04:41
gloin_linux_mafia: thanks =] 04:41
gloin_for some reason the sed-info.gz was weird04:42
s0cksOk. You converted me :P04:42
bratscheDo you guys who are using Xorg have xf86vmode.h?04:42
s0cksUPDATE: Due to overwhelming demand, the Ubuntu CD Distribution System will NOT close to new orders for Warty CDs as previously announced. Order yours now! See the CD FAQ for more info.04:42
s0ckshmm... That answered someones comment.04:42
linux_mafiagloin_, so you sorted now?04:42
NeoThermichmm, this distro looks intresting04:43
gloin_linux_mafia: we'll see... but apt-get upgrade is now working04:43
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zenwhenit says they shipped me 10 cds04:43
zenwhen2004-11-08 22:51:01.57  1004:43
zenwhenbut that was like ten days ago04:43
zenwhenwonder where they shipped them from?04:43
linux_mafiagloin_, the "OSS Tony Soprano" always helps his "family", heh04:43
s0cksAnywhere on the eastern Seaboard of the US is fine by me.04:44
gloin_hey s0cks why the heck is it the anything-"board" anyhow?04:44
Agrajagmaybe I should order some and throw them at people at the next lug meeting04:44
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s0cksWow... I am going to give 8 to my CET class. The other one is going into the potato cannon.04:45
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Sensebendwhat do you guys use for OGM files in Linux?04:45
Agrajagxine and totem04:45
Agrajagtotem-xine, not totem-gstreamer04:46
gloin_gmplayer =] 04:46
zenwhenIm going to sell mine at a flea market YEE HAW its like WInders only better04:46
AgrajagI find gstreamer to be unbearably buggy04:46
gensensebend: mplayer or vlc, i use both equally pretty much...both play anything04:46
Sensebenddoes Ubuntu take donations through the mail?04:46
s0cksWho here custom built their kernal?04:46
NeoThermicuhm, I take it I should grab the install-i386.iso file?04:47
linux_mafias0cks, me04:47
AgrajagNeoThermic: yes, unless you use a ppc or amd64 processor04:47
gloin_s0cks: I did nothing but custom-build my kernel for the first two years I used linux =] 04:47
NeoThermicnope. the test bed will only be a P4 3GHz with HT04:47
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NeoThermichrm, about 3 hours to get04:48
geni got it in a few minutes from college connection :)04:49
s0cksIs dual booting ubuntu easy?04:49
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stuNNedis it easy to install a custom built kernel in ubuntu/debian?04:50
PorscheBoycan someone give me the link to ubuntu repositories?04:50
gloin_holy net.split, batman!  Grab your reconnect macro!04:51
HrdwrBoBstuNNed: yes-ish but generally not recommended for the novice04:51
gloin_and laugh at this in the meantime: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20041114.html04:51
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stuNNedHrdwrBoB, because of stupid linuxant hsf modem driver probly need to do it on laptop, oh well, will learn :)04:52
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gloin_apt-get upgrade takes a while =] 04:52
gloin_reckon it's worth a reboot after all this04:53
GmailWindows 95/98, (n): 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprossessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.04:56
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HrdwrBoBGmail: that would be funny if I hadn't heard it before many times and if you spelt microprocessor correctly05:01
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kgillcan some asist me with setting up gnomemeeting?05:01
kgillI am having audio device problems05:01
Gmailits the topix for ##windows05:01
HrdwrBoBGmail: tell them they're incapability to spell reflects badly upon their also bad choice of operating systems05:02
seek187yay my laptop powers off now05:02
Agrajagseek187: was it acpi?05:02
HrdwrBoBnot they're05:02
seek187that was running just had to add acpi=force in grub05:03
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Sensebendhow big is a standard ubuntu install?05:08
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Sensebendof warty05:08
thoreauputic1.8 gig IIRC05:09
Sensebendthat sucks05:09
GmailUdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow05:09
UdontKno1Gmail: heh05:10
SensebendA friend has a Compaq Armada with a 1.4GB HDD05:10
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thoreauputicSensebend: time to install Debian, I think05:10
Sensebendrecommending sarge to him05:11
NeoThermicwell, thats standerd, skip a few things and I'm sure it will fit05:11
Invisible_Optiksso, yeah, I grabbed what I think is warty from gnoppix's website.  So am I right from reading that there is no install script for it included in the latest version or did I totally whiff on it?05:11
thoreauputicInvisible_Optiks: no hard drive install from the live CD05:11
GmailUdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow05:12
thoreauputicGmail: have you actually bothered to do a /whois on that nick?05:12
deangcan someone direct me to the linux n00b channel?05:13
gloin_deang: ##linux05:13
kgillhow can I change the name of my machine?05:13
gloin_my xserver is still broken =[05:13
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gloin_even after upgrading to hoary05:13
Invisible_Optiksthoreauputic:  Ok, gotcha.  Is there like a one cd install cd that is just like the livecd?  Mainly because, I had Sarge on this laptop, but it got destroyed on purpose.  Now I'm looking to put a debian variant back on and was thinking that a one cd install like ubuntu would be nice05:13
s0cksYo. My setup is officially ghetto.05:14
skeletorHaha you suck05:14
Gmailthoreauputic: --- UdontKno1 :No such nick/channel05:14
s0cks2.4 ghz is the anti-awesome.05:14
s0cks3.2 with HT tech.05:14
gloin_lol, welcome back dcm05:14
seek187oh great05:14
Sensebendactually recommended DSL05:15
Sensebendwith a HDD instal05:15
s0cksWhich one is DCM?05:15
thoreauputicGmail: that would be because he just changed it?05:15
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UdontKnows0cks: just check the hostname05:15
s0cksAh. Got it.05:15
thoreauputicGmail: - UdontKnow has quit (Nick collision from services.)05:15
thoreauputic--- UdontKno1 is now known as UdontKnow05:15
gloin_he hasn't been k-lined, so I guess he promised to knock it off05:16
Gmailthoreauputic: I AM NOT STUPID <<<err caps lock05:16
thoreauputicGmail: really?05:16
skeletorgloin_ you are a retardeds05:16
s0cksI gotta contribute cause I want a project host. So I gotta make a project. :(05:17
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gloin_skeletor: huh?05:17
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s0cksubuntu... No hostmask.05:18
eruinapart from the fact that my language mysteriously changed from norwegian to danish after installing, I'm impressed :)05:18
s0cksHey udontknow, how do I apply to get a official project hostmask?05:18
s0cksWOW! Debian is German.05:19
skeletorhey s0cks05:19
skeletorwhere is sh0es?05:19
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eruingaim is danish, xchat is swedish and gnometerminal is norwegian05:19
s0cksIn your mom skeletor.05:20
gloin_and linux is finnish =] 05:20
skeletorURSO ORIGINAL05:20
eruinkind of freaking me out05:20
eruinadd firefox: english05:20
thoreauputicskeletor: stop it05:20
gloin_eruin: british?05:20
eruinI don't see any words that enable me to make out if it's english or american05:21
eruinerr british05:21
gloin_eruin: heh05:21
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s0cks.:. Olde English < New English .:.05:21
eruinanyway, british is proper english ;>05:21
gloin_eruin: not anymore it isn't05:21
gloin_maybe about 400 years ago it might have been05:22
gloin_but y'all bastardized it to death =P05:22
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s0cksBritish speak is not to be known as 'ebonics'.05:22
eruinoh the irony05:22
s0cksEbonics is now to be known as 'thug'05:22
gloin_West Coast US English is as close to Dictionary Standard as there is.05:22
gloin_s0cks: shush05:22
s0cksgloin_ : K.05:23
eruingloin_, ever taked to a linguistics professor at oxford, have you? ;P05:23
gloin_eruin: hehe, the syntax of your sentence leaves a lot to the imagination...05:23
s0cksgloin_ : Ever used knoppix by any chance?05:23
gloin_s0cks: yeah05:23
skeletorsomeone set you up the bomb05:23
thoreauputicheh - guys, #ubuntu-offtopic :)05:23
gloin_thoreauputic: sorry =] 05:23
skeletorthoreauputic has a mangina05:23
s0cksThoreuputic : Really hard name dude, sorry.05:23
s0cksThats it.05:24
s0cksSkeletor is on Permignore.05:24
eruindie, sed.05:24
thoreauputics0cks: tab completion ;)05:24
skeletoroh no I am so sadddd :<05:24
gloin_eruin: there's a way around it05:24
AwayDips0cks, try Gnoppix05:24
AwayDipit's an ubuntu livecd05:24
eruinshoosh, I don't want sed! :P05:24
eruinI like the grub on the livecd05:24
eruinjust got a pack of 10 cds in the mail today05:24
gloin_eruin: rm -f /usr/share/info/sed-info.gz and gunzip the sed-info-1 in its place05:24
gloin_then you can proceed as normal05:24
skeletorrm -f /05:24
s0cksI am getting a pack of 10 whenever I get them.05:24
eruinI miss root05:25
skeletoris it true?05:25
s0cksI miss Binaries.05:25
skeletoris it true guys?05:25
genI miss my daddy05:25
Rene_SWoot, I found a program thats gonna help my wife break free of her windows addiction05:25
s0cksBeen in Windows for a while now, because of CS. I use it for games.05:25
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skeletoris it true guys?05:26
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gencs haha05:26
thoreauputicskeletor: do you have anything remotely relevant to contribute?05:26
s0cksRene_s : Linux to Windows Emulation. She will never know the difference.05:26
skeletorThat you are all bunny hoppers05:26
skeletorbam bam hoppin like bunnies05:26
gloin_s0cks: I play plenty of windows games, don't have a windows partition to be found05:26
skeletorthoreauputic: do you have anything remotely not gay?05:26
skeletorOhmer, ofcourse not05:26
s0cksOh yeah. Plus I kinda like the Wireless Networking for quick transfers to my sister's computer.05:27
Rene_SI got Codeweavers Crossover office, she liked that05:27
eruingloin_, um, gunzip sed.info-1.gz, not just rename it?05:27
s0cksI need The Gimp and I am in my windows partition :(05:27
gloin_eruin: that would probably work =] 05:27
Agrajags0cks: so install it05:27
s0cksAgrajag : I am in Windows.05:28
eruinso install it05:28
AwayDipI had a problem with apt-get upgrade and sed last night and today it's still happening under hoary05:28
s0cksI have it in my other partition.05:28
AwayDipNo `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.05:28
seek187They make Gimp for windows05:28
s0cksDon't wanna install it.05:28
AwayDipinstall-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up05:28
AwayDipdpkg: error processing sed (--configure):05:28
AwayDip subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 105:28
eruinso download it05:28
geppyUbuntu's binaries for ALSA don't seem to work.  Suggestions?05:28
eruinAwayDip, /topic05:28
gloin_AwayDip: there's a solution for it =] 05:29
AwayDipthat's what I get from not doing a /topic before opening my hole05:29
=== gloin_ did an upgrade and got the current sed working
gloin_linux_mafia is the man!05:29
AwayDipgloin how so?05:29
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Rene_SWhat is sed ?05:30
gloin_AwayDip: look in /usr/share/info05:30
Agrajagstream editor05:30
gloin_Rene_S: Stream EDitor05:30
Rene_SAh, never used it05:30
AgrajagRene_S: no, but your OS does05:31
GotD0tanybody know of a good text to speech app?05:31
AgrajagGotD0t: festival05:31
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Rene_SI see, that could suck then if its broken05:31
GotD0tagrajag: thanks05:31
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu:Gmail] : FAQ: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/ | Wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ | Lists: http://lists.ubuntu.com/ | Bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ | Xorg > hoary | No paste in the chan. > http://www.pastebin.com or #flood | CDs have been shipped, you can still order cds | offtopic > #ubuntu-offtopic | Just ask, don't ask to ask | English only! | broken (hoary): sed, it will be fixed asap
Gmailyou can still order cds05:32
GmailUPDATE: Due to overwhelming demand, the Ubuntu CD Distribution System will NOT close to new orders for Warty CDs as previously announced. Order yours now! See the CD FAQ for more info.05:32
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s0cksGmail : I established that earlier.05:32
s0cksHow do they fund that sort of thing. CD's aren't cheap.05:32
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s0cks10 a person, consider.... 100 a month. 1000 cds a month.05:33
s0cksThat takes not a short time to burn.05:33
Agrajag100 hell05:33
Rene_SThe wife is gonna so love Ubuntu and Crossover office,   I may even get some .....05:33
billytwowillyskeletor, That is awesome.05:33
s0cksI'll check out crossover office.05:34
Agrajagthey probably press them, in larger amounts05:34
s0cksShe is going to have to learn a bit though05:34
s0cksNot an easy transition.05:34
Agrajagit's be faster and cheaper than burning CDRs, I'd imagine05:34
billytwowillyeugenics linux. Hilarious.05:34
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AwayDipfixed sed for now05:34
AwayDipmv /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.old ; cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz ; apt-get upgrade05:34
AwayDipthanks gloin_05:34
Rene_SI did it in a weekend, for her needs I can just handle it for her05:34
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s0cksRene_S : Hunny, how on earth do I get into the start menu!?05:35
Rene_SShe wont need too, I am gonna customize her desktop so that isnt an issue05:36
GmailDOWN WITH http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/petition.html05:36
eruinI think rhythmbox uses LATVIAN05:36
Gmailblack people can use linux05:36
eruinwhy does every program I start use a different language? :P05:36
Rene_SHell she doesnt use it now as it is05:36
Gmailwhite people seem to use winbloat05:36
gloin_he's just a troll05:36
AwayDip"Rene_S The wife is gonna so love Ubuntu and Crossover office,   I may even get some ....."05:36
seek187here we go again :/05:37
Gmailbut i do argee that the circle of people looks gay05:37
s0cksA rule agains black people using linux, Who's idea was this?05:37
AwayDipshe's your wife and getting some is questionable?05:37
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gloin_Gmail, s0cks, dummies, he left05:37
s0cksawaydip : submit that to whatchamacholit.com05:37
BeanDipshe must have married you for a greencard05:37
Rene_SYeah, after 10 years ya start having to check the temperature of things before ya dive in05:37
billytwowillyBeanDip, you obviously haven't been married for a long time;)05:38
stuNNedRene_S, lol05:38
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nyqois crossover office available for free or is it pay only?05:38
s0cksHow did he get 9 signitures?05:38
m_tthewI used to have functional line-in :(05:38
BrittBShrm, did gnome-screenshot get removed?05:38
geppynyqo:  temporary demo -- free05:38
gens0cks, signing his own05:38
billytwowillynyqo, pay only. Unless you want to pirate it, which is obviously bad05:38
s0cksI wish I knew what school he could go to. Print it out and stick a sign on his back.05:38
geppyBrittBS:  "Computer"  > "Take Screenshot"05:38
PorscheBoydamn...after trying out pure Debian Sarge today i found out that it doesn't have gnome 2.8 :(05:38
Rene_SI got mine off Fastrack, to test,  The newest version is pay05:38
nyqogeppy: where do you get the demo?05:38
m_tthewnow (with Hoary), I have a lot of fancy video this and IEC958 that, but not functional line-in.05:39
BrittBSgeppy, not on my desktop, which is newish hoary05:39
geppynyqo:  Same place you get the pay version.  Codeweavers.com, or something like that.05:39
s0cksPetition.com auta have a use policy.05:39
nyqogeppy: thx05:39
s0cksAFK for the night.05:39
Rene_SI tested out that Cedega thing they had free for 15 days, It was nice05:40
PorscheBoyby the way, did they fix the slow Desktop refresh problem with the latest hoary?05:40
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m_tthewBrittBS: I lost screenshot as well, I would assume it'll be back eventually.05:40
cryptomatthey guys05:40
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cryptomattcan anyone help me out with bluetooth issues?05:41
genwhats the problem05:41
geppyUbuntu's binaries for ALSA don't seem to work.  Suggestions?05:41
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BrittBSm_tthew, ok not just me then :) wonder if it was a design thing ... I'm sure it doesn't have a rediculous ammount of use cased for joe blow but I find it pretty handy05:41
cryptomattwhen i try to attach my usb dongle to the comp05:41
crimsungeppy: eh?05:42
crimsungeppy: where/how does it fail?05:42
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PorscheBoyBrittBS, r u having slow refresh problems with ur Desktop window?05:42
cryptomatti have to execute hcid and sdpd to enable it05:42
geppycrimsun:  Isn't detected when compiling things not in the repository.05:42
gloin_my xserver is >not working<05:42
billytwowillygloin_, are you running hoary or warty?05:43
cryptomattit is possible for me to trap the the USB connect of my dongle and write a script which will start these commands05:43
crimsungeppy: come again? Are you saying ALSA isn't detected when compiling programs that depend on ALSA?05:43
cryptomatti meant, trapping the usb connect event05:43
BrittBSPorscheBoy, no05:43
crimsungeppy: dpkg -l libasound2-dev|grep ^ii05:43
gloin_billytwowilly: I'm on hoary now, broke it using warty05:43
crimsun(ii  libasound2-dev 1.0.7-0.1)05:43
PorscheBoyr u runnning the latest hoary?05:43
billytwowillygloin_, I don't know then. I was going to say you probably borked it updating to xorg..05:44
geppycrimsun:  "No packages found matching libasound2-dev."  what did the "^ii" do with grep?05:44
gloin_"Symbol __glXgetActtiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"05:44
BrittBScryptomatt, i'm not sure if there's an easy way, but if you really want to dive in you could write something that catches the dbus signal05:44
m_tthewBrittBS : did you lose your ability to listen to your line in, by any chance?05:44
gloin_billytwowilly: actually, I broke it doing a dpkg-configure right after I upgraded my nvidia driver05:44
billytwowillygloin_, I dunno.. sorry.05:44
crimsungeppy: that's why it's "not detected". You didn't install the header files and static libs.05:45
cryptomattbrittbs, and how do i catch the dbus signal..05:45
geppycrimsun:  Right, thanks. =D I've now installed that, and it's working.  Just out of curiousity, though, what did that "^ii"  do with the grep command?05:45
BeanDipBrittBS, I'm running a very up to date hoary, no gnome-panel-screenshot capplet here either, pressing the printscreen key gives an error popup that the executeable file is missing05:45
crimsungeppy: search for leading 'ii' string05:45
BeanDipyou might want to submit a bug report05:46
geppycrimsun:  Thanks.  :)05:46
crimsungeppy: 'ii' of course indicating that the package is installed05:46
thoreauputicgloin_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    maybe?05:46
gloin_good idea..05:46
geppycrimsun:  Right.  =)05:46
gloin_I really borked it05:48
gloin_let's see what happens...05:49
s0cksStaying till midnight05:49
gloin_at bootup05:50
gloin_"Creating NVIDIA TLS Links" what's that?05:50
cryptomatton another note.. i seem to have this problem with my monitor display.. its a samsung 55v monitor set at 1024 res.. when i boot into ubuntu xserver doesnt start up.. i get these errors in the xfree86 log.. drmOpenDevice minor ISO... open result is -105:50
cryptomatthowever when i start the machine using another distro say yoper and i reboot to ubuntu, this problem does not occur.. this had me stumped for quite some time now.. any help will be appreciated05:51
geppyWhy does Ubuntu default to OSS?05:51
HrdwrBoBgeppy: buggy alsa stuff05:52
HrdwrBoBit was found that some stuff had buggy alsa output drivers05:52
HrdwrBoBso it defaulted to using oss compat mode in alsa05:52
geppyHrdwrBoB:  Could they not work to fix the bugs, or just let things default to oss compat in alsa?05:52
Gwildordoes this sed problem mean that i can install NO packeges with apt?05:53
gloin_"NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!"05:53
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geppygloin_:  Have you tried the BinaryDriverHOWTO?05:53
crimsungeppy: err? I thought it defaults to esd now.05:53
eruinesd uses oss05:54
geppygloin_: I've seen that error, before.  I think that you fix it by running /'nvidia-glx-config enable'05:54
crimsunoh, they set esd to use oss? meh.05:54
gloin_geppy: yeah, but I probably borked all that by upgrading the drivers myself05:54
geppygloin_:  heh... that sucks.  =P05:54
gloin_the 6111 drivers (which currently are only ones supported) are SLOW compared to current05:54
geppygloin_:  Works fine for me.  =)05:55
geppyWhat kind of games are you running?05:55
eruintheyre damn slow geppy05:55
s0cksI dunno.... Nvidia.... Integ Graphics.... I have integ.05:55
gloin_geppy: doom305:55
geppydoom3 runs fine for me, but I'm not running on the top settings.05:55
s0cksGeppy : CS, DOD, and Shellshock.05:55
crimsundoom3 eats my poor P2 for lunch.05:56
gloin_besides, all the nvidia-glx-config enable does is uncommment the word "nvidia" in /etc/modules05:56
geppycrimsun:  hahahaha05:56
gloin_doom3 on a p205:56
geppygloin_:  haha05:56
eruinI hate scrollkeeper05:56
Rene_SI found Doom 3 to be a little dark for my tastes05:56
crimsunmatrox mga graphics!05:56
eruinbattlefield vietnam is the only game you need05:56
gloin_Rene_S: dark visually or conceptually?05:56
s0cksDoom 3 < Half Life05:56
geppyRene_S:  That's the whole point!  =)05:56
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geppys0cks:  NO!!!!!!  =)05:56
cryptomattBittBS, can u tell me abt the monitor problem??05:56
s0ckseruin : My clan works with Shellshock.05:56
gloin_s0cks: yer fulla beans dude05:57
Rene_SConcept is fine, gama isnt hehe05:57
geppyRene_S:  haha  :)05:57
eruinI thought doom1 sucked05:57
eruinsame with doom205:57
s0cksDoom 1 is LEGACY!05:57
eruinand doom3 is... umm.. worse ;)05:57
geppyeruin:  Blasphemy!05:57
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eruinhalflife though05:57
eruinis the worst game I've ever seen05:57
geppygloin_:  Shouldn't do that.  =P05:57
s0cksHalflife pwns.05:57
geppyeruin:  agreed05:57
eruinquake3 on the other hand05:57
s0cksI used to play that.05:58
s0cksTill my clan switched.05:58
Rene_SI only bought Halflife so I could play CS heh05:58
s0cksI went with them.05:58
eruinbuut, battlefield vietnam is the king of games05:58
gloin_the nvidia error is gone05:58
Rene_SI dont think I have ever looked at it05:58
eruinme, box tops and my huey05:58
gloin_and eruin you have to have windows to play that crap05:58
s0cksRene_S : gamesurge #0-|05:58
gloin_it works in cedega?05:58
eruinperfectly fine05:58
eruinwinblows doesnt even boot on my comp :P05:58
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Rene_Ss0cks, ?  I dont get what you mean, I am old and slow05:59
eruinwell then05:59
eruintime to run xorg instead05:59
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s0cksGo there please. ! :P05:59
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s0cks##ubuntu!!! Noone thaught about that one!06:00
gloin_whatever I broke in xfree is also broken in xorg06:00
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geppyAnyone know a good place to find information on music production software for GNU/Linux?06:00
s0cksIs DBpowerAMP supported?06:01
crimsungeppy: e.g., ardour, audacity, and so forth?06:01
stuNNedgeppy, linux-sound.org06:01
stuNNedgeppy, though it may be antiquated...06:02
crimsunhttp://www.alsa-project.org/links.php  :)06:02
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geppyThanks.  =D06:02
gloin_well, time for reinstall =[06:02
geppygood luck06:03
gloin_no big06:03
gloin_this time I'm going to do the new nvidia driver WITHOUT trying a dpkg-reconfigure after06:03
gloin_and that, right after the install06:03
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FTTPi tried debian sarge.......... went poof on me06:05
FTTPalot of nice things about it tho06:05
FTTPcant wait for hoardy based on the final sarge :)06:06
FTTPerr hoary06:06
FTTPi came up with a business plan for fiber to the home/apartment06:06
FTTPnot me paying the $1200 per home tho06:06
FTTPI figure if i can get the cost split over 10 ways06:07
FTTPand use economy of scale and high penetration rates06:07
gloin_that's what I'm on here06:07
gloin_city utils department put in a bunch of fiber loops06:07
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gloin_then they split it out to DOCSYS cable06:07
gloin_about 15 houses per loop06:08
FTTPits docsis06:08
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gloin_damn docsys06:08
mark1quick question about removing a file06:08
gloin_and 128-k upload cap =[06:08
FTTPgloin_  Im on docsis too with fiber to my apartment building06:08
gloin_mark1: shoot06:08
mark1i have a file called:  udo apt-get --purge remove j....06:08
FTTPwe have a node in the basement06:08
gloin_FTTP: just swipe a line off that =] 06:08
FTTPgloin:  What city are u in ?06:08
mark1i've tried to move it to a directory and then delete the directory but that doesn't woork06:08
geppyIs there a GPL application for GNU/Linux that is comparable to Sony's ACID?06:08
gloin_FTTP: no city here lol06:08
gloin_southern oregon06:08
mark1rm -- etc and it doesn't work, either06:09
FTTPgloin:  U said city dept06:09
genmark1: what haha06:09
FTTPcity utils department06:09
mark1yeah, it was a big mistake06:09
mark1long story06:09
FTTPif your not in a city u dont have a city utils dept :)06:09
mark1i just can't seem to make it disappear06:09
gloin_FTTP: you have a pmsg06:09
mark1any ideas?06:09
thoreauputicmark1: that makes no sense at all, sorry :)06:09
mark1yeah, well it's a file that i accidentally made06:09
genyou said a file is a list of commands mark106:09
mark1by doing a copy and paste06:09
mark1yeah, i know06:09
mark1the problem is the "--purge"06:10
mark1it doesn't like that part of the file name06:10
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mark1and as i said i can't just move it to another directory06:10
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mark1gloin: any suggestions?06:10
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gloin_mark1: I'm lost06:11
thoreauputicmark1: try escaping the spaces and -- with \06:11
mark1lost as in you have no clue how to remove the file?06:11
genlost as in your questions are hard to understand06:11
mark1ok i'll try that thoreauputic, thanks06:11
Agrajagrm udo[TAB] 06:12
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Agrajag[TAB} meaning hit tab to complete the file name06:12
mark1oh yeah06:12
thoreauputicAgrajag: -- are reserved characters06:12
Agrajagthoreauputic: like hell they are06:12
mark1Agrajag: thanks so much06:12
mark1i'm still trying to learn linux06:12
Agrajagand even if they were tab completion would jujst escape them06:12
mark1and forget the basic stuff06:12
mark1basically i have a full time job and need something to keep my brain occupied06:13
stuNNedhow do i take screenshot again?06:13
thoreauputicAgrajag: well, they usually denote a flag to a command so they cause problems06:13
geppystuNNed:  "Computer" > "Take Screenshot"06:13
Agrajagthoreauputic: no06:13
Agrajagthoreauputic: name a file -06:13
GotD0tok... im trying to edit my crontab and it wont let me use an app other than vim to edit it06:13
GotD0tand i dont know how to use vim06:13
thoreauputicAgrajag: OK I bow to your greater knowledge :)06:13
Agrajagthen delete it06:13
Agrajagok then06:13
Agrajaghey, you gotta learn somehting new every day06:14
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GotD0tso how can i edit my crontab using a different editor (pref nano)06:14
stuNNedgeppy, not there, maybe because i installed totem-xine and that removed 'Take Screenshot' ? how odd...06:14
mark1Agrajag:  exactly, i owe you one .... thanks again.06:14
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thoreauputicAgrajag: doesn't a leading - in a file name cause problems though?06:15
AgrajagGotD0t: export EDITOR=nano06:15
Agrajagthoreauputic: no06:15
stuNNedwhat is command line to take screenshot?06:15
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GotD0tthanks agrajag... is that permanent?06:15
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Agrajagnot unless the filename is same as some program's argument, that might be a problem06:16
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AgrajagGotD0t: no06:16
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genstunned, why not just use gimp06:16
thoreauputicAgrajag: $ touch -file06:16
Agrajagbut you can edit .bashrc and add that line to it06:16
thoreauputictouch: invalid option -- i06:16
GotD0tAgrajag: me?06:16
thoreauputicAgrajag: what causes that then?06:16
AgrajagGotD0t: yes06:16
GotD0tagrajag: thanks a bunch06:16
Agrajagthoreauputic: that's touch's problem06:16
Agrajagdifferent programs will act differently06:16
BrittBSBeanDip, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=355606:17
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AgrajagI wouldn't name files with a leading - if I could help it, but - isn't reserved06:17
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thoreauputicAgrajag: suppose you do  rm -file  Wouldn't that produce an error? rm would think it was a set of switches and not a file?06:18
crimsunthat's why you use rm -- -file06:18
Agrajagah yes06:19
Agrajagforgot about the --06:19
thoreauputiccrimsun: ah, OK06:19
thoreauputicstill, I'd avoid the leading  - I think :)06:19
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gloin_anyone have any luck with TV tuner cards in ubuntu?06:24
gloin_since I've gotta reinstall, I might as well throw this old thing in there =] 06:24
Agrajagmy hauppauge card Just Works :)06:24
Agrajagapt-get install tvtime06:25
gloin_amazing how Mac-like linux is rapidly becoming in terms of raw usability =] 06:25
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Agrajagit's also a lot cheaper06:26
gloin_heheh so true06:26
Agrajagthough OS X is getting a lot more OSS Stuff now06:26
gloin_I >wish< I could buy a dual G5 one part at a time06:26
gloin_but I can't06:26
gloin_so this month I buy one of the two amd/64 cpus06:26
gloin_and that makes two06:26
gloin_and next month I buy the mobo06:26
gloin_by the way06:27
gloin_how amd/64-friendly is deb/ubuntu?06:27
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oddabe19anyone wanna buy me a G5?06:28
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GammaRayI would not buy a 64 bit cpu unless I actually needed it..06:30
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BoonShankathat's alotta peeps06:30
gloin_BoonShanka: welcome =] 06:30
BoonShankashot man ;)06:30
GammaRayit's just a pain in the butt and for what? 8 bit pointers?06:31
gloin_GammaRay: I do enough compiling that it'd be nice to have all that address space06:31
GammaRayerr byte I mean06:31
gloin_but anyhow06:31
gloin_that doesn't do much to answer my question06:31
GammaRaythere is an x86-64 version...06:32
gloin_is it boogey?06:32
Gmailhttp://www.watleyreview.com/2004/111604-3.html ROTFL06:32
Gmailoooops wrong channel but it still funny (its about 40% of aol user don't have a computer)06:33
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gloin_Gmail: I've gotta save that for an April 1 slashdot submission06:34
gloin_"Well, these documents do explain one thing," said Kowshik. "I always wondered how AOL managed to maintain a customer satisfaction rate of 40%. Now we know exactly which 40% of their client base that is."06:34
Rene_SHow dumb must one be to subscribe to AOL without a comp06:34
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gloin_Rene_S: I suspect the word "joke" applies here06:35
Gmailgloin_: too late06:35
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GammaRayRene_S: I suspect AOL's figures are false06:35
BoonShankahehe kewl ubuntu free cds + shipping06:36
gloin_BoonShanka: it's a 1-cd distro06:36
gloin_might as well download06:36
Rene_SHeh, my mistrust of these companies is too high. I am starting to believe things like that06:36
BoonShankaye but then it'll prolly help cap me ;p06:36
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BoonShanka3 gig cap ;p06:38
BoonShankahehe I don't have a T1 or better !06:38
BoonShankabut I've sent my wish list to Santa06:38
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GammaRayBoonShanka: did you sit on Santa's lap?06:39
BoonShankanaaw bought santa a stripper06:39
BoonShankaone of them chiep strippers ;p hopefully Santa has bad eye sight06:40
BoonShankahey they really send you free cds!?06:41
GammaRaysanta does not appreacate hermaphrodites06:42
BoonShankaroflmao @ Gammaray06:42
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bborkkAnyone here hang out on #python?  That list seems dead, even with 109 people.  Is #ubuntu active only because it's new?06:43
crimsunubuntu is active because it's a darned good distro.06:43
BoonShankachicks dig it06:43
BrittBSbborkk, someone did the chatty raindance06:43
BrittBSbborkk, actually, #python is pretty active most of the time06:44
bborkkYeah, and python is a good language.  I guess they need to dance more.06:44
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FTTPare any of the hoardy isos working?06:50
FTTPi tried the development snapshot, had major problems06:50
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FTTPruffian:  that isnt the solaris 1006:51
FTTPits not available for download yet06:51
FTTPyour downloading a preview release :P06:51
Ruffian|Q|FTTPS: its Solaris 10 express.  and its free06:51
FTTPruffian:  solaris express is a preview release06:52
Ruffian|Q|I know06:52
FTTPsolaris 10 wont be out till jan 200506:52
Ruffian|Q|its still free and its solaris therefore its worth the download06:52
FTTPi will download it then tho :)06:52
smoIs it possible to stop discover/hotplug loading alsa modules?06:53
FTTPthis is ubuntu not solaris06:53
FTTPruffian join #solaris06:53
FTTPwe like ubuntu here06:53
Ruffian|Q|I love Ubuntu06:54
Ruffian|Q|it was making me agry today though06:54
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potleHow is Sodipodi?07:05
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bluefoxicynot sure07:05
potleGuess I'll just install it and find out :)07:05
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foolswisdomhi , i want to become ubuntan07:06
foolswisdomi hv a new box , freshly assembled & a live CD ...07:07
foolswisdomI hv heard a nasty rumor that I cannot install Ubuntu from the live cd .07:07
foolswisdomcan this be true ?07:07
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seek187foolswisdom, no you can't07:09
foolswisdommy life is over ...07:10
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compdudei want to decrypt a line like this: 5hAL%2FoRLFrPaFVpCpDDV7TpN0fmUyua95UT%2BVhMdE4%3D which encryption is it? and what is it called? SHA? How would I decrypt it, is it even possible? i'm trying to understand this.. if you understand anything please tell :)07:10
foolswisdomand there is no network install ? no small install CD ?07:11
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choulthgood morning07:12
seek187foolswisdom, yes you can network install07:12
foolswisdomseek187, I'm listening07:12
seek187It's in the wiki that tells how to do it..07:13
foolswisdomseek187, thanks , searching ...07:13
foolswisdomfound something ... reading ....07:14
seek187foolswisdom, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/images/netboot/07:15
seek187there is a image there07:15
foolswisdomit looks like I may be good just from the live cd http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install07:15
foolswisdomit was linked from the netinstall07:15
seek187maybe so not sure.07:16
seek187I know there is a mini.iso ^ up there07:16
foolswisdomBoonShanka, u r a tricky fox u07:16
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skar_awayhi, how do i upgrade all packages on my system07:17
foolswisdomBoonShanka, it looks like i can get this installed from the Live CD07:17
skar_awaywill apt-get upgrade do the job?07:17
seek187skar_away, apt-get dist-upgrade07:17
BoonShankakewl man I hope so, then I can too! and leave ev0l MS07:18
Ruffian|Q|Time Warner Pictures and AOL own the Birthday song: Anyone who uses it in a movie has to pay $10,000!07:19
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BoonShankaand ev0l07:20
foolswisdombut true evil genius run Linux http://www.opseu540.info/mpg/switchlinux3.swf07:21
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BoonShankahey, does linux have an irc chat proggie?07:23
BoonShankathat ubuntu thingy07:23
Agrajagof course07:23
BoonShankakewl beans ;p07:23
Agrajagirssi and xchat are both installed by default07:23
BoonShankawooo, as soon as I get it I'm gonna install it on my pc at home ;p07:24
Amaranthanyone else having problems with hoary and sed?07:24
BoonShankaand if it's not too different from MS ev0l I can use it at my internet cafe ;p07:24
Agrajagread the topic.07:24
foolswisdomAmaranth, there is a news item on main ubuntulinux page07:25
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BoonShankaI can see clearly now, the rain is gone ;p07:26
Ruffian|Q|damn netsplit07:26
choulthmutants :)07:26
BoonShankaanyone gonna get the new avengers #1 ?07:27
gloin_that's netsplit v_207:27
gloin_for tonight07:27
BoonShankathis month iz kewl, New Avengers #1 and Captain America #1 this month woooo07:28
BoonShankagonna go get my captain america today07:28
choulthmmh, should apt-get remove netsplit work ? ;)07:28
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gloin_BoonShanka: you forget The Incredibles #107:28
gloin_smo: no, that was apt-get --purge half-the-users07:29
choulthright smo07:29
BoonShankahey hey07:29
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BoonShankaI'm looking forward to that one from Dark Horse, Damn Nation in Feb07:30
gloin_I've got a bit of a mystery on my hands07:30
smowell, I solved my sound problems.  $40 later and a real sound card's in the mail07:31
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BoonShankaI wonder if there's a genuis out there somewhere who's working on a driver emulator ;p07:32
Agrajagthere are some07:33
gloin_this this is OLD SCHOOL07:33
gloin_made in 95 or 9607:33
Agrajaglinuxant for wireless nics07:33
Agrajagthe captive-ntfs for ntfs07:33
gloin_there are drivers for win95r207:33
smoI think it'd be more productive, and fun to boot, to simply visit certain hardware mftrs with large blunt objects07:33
Agrajagpossibly others07:33
gloin_and that's it07:33
BoonShankayep see, this is how I tell I'm the mose stupid person in the chan07:34
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gloin_ooh, it was OEMed by Hauppage07:34
gloin_probably save myself a lot of grief by spending 20 bucks on a ati-tv card07:34
Ruffian|Q|IF I use Debian, can I use Ubuntu repositories?'07:35
AmaranthYou can try. :)07:35
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gloin_a repository's a repository, right?07:35
AmaranthNot always.07:35
AmaranthDifferent dependecies and different version numbers.07:36
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Amaranthoh, too tired for jokes :P07:36
Amaranthyeah, night all07:36
gloin_] nn07:36
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thoreauputicRuffian|Q|: so basically the answer seems to be "If you enjoy fixing b0rked systems, go ahead" ;-)07:37
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Ruffian|Q|your crazy07:37
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choulthRuffian|Q|, why not making things easier and install Ubuntu?07:38
Ruffian|Q|I do use Ubuntu07:38
Ruffian|Q|on  my main system07:38
Ruffian|Q|it was just a question07:38
choulthOhmer, kewl :)07:38
BoonShankagloin_ : You know who's that new ninja guy in the new avengers ???07:39
thoreauputicRuffian|Q|: I was just joking that mixing Debian with Ubuntu packages might be, shall we say, courageous07:39
gloin_which new what huh BoonShanka ?07:39
BoonShankathe New Avengers #107:40
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BoonShankaoh poo07:40
SensebendI only follow manga07:40
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Ruffian|Q|thoreauputic: i just did, and it works!07:40
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thoreauputicRuffian|Q|: well, jolly good. Stop while you're ahead ;)07:41
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SensebendI use some debian repositories just fine07:41
Ruffian|Q|thoreauputic, it works fine, im doing it on my test box, so I dont care: and its working07:41
lil_anthonyquestion: what is a simple ftp server for ubuntu? i just want something i can connect to people can write to but can't delete and i can change dirs and all something  pretty basic07:41
Cube-nesshmm.. what might be causing my computer to slow to a crawl when i try to play a dvd?07:41
thoreauputicRuffian|Q|: as I said, jolly good old chap !07:42
AgrajagCube-ness: are you using DMA on your DVD drive?07:42
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Agrajaghdparm /dev/dvd07:42
gloin_nothing like visiting a poorly-tranlated hardware vendor site, based on a slow link in Taiwan, with LOTS AND LOTS OF %Bflash!07:42
Sensebendenable bma with hdparm07:42
Agrajagcheck that using_dma is set to 107:42
gloin_I love flash websites07:42
SensebendI hate flash websites07:42
Sensebendpain when you use lynx once and a while07:43
GammaRayI ignore flash websites07:43
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Sensebendwell I also have to work in flash right now :S07:43
Sensebendfor design class07:43
Sensebendthat could be half my hatred of it07:43
GammaRaySensebend: exercise the evil!07:43
gloin_although it's always fun to see a little happy face following your mouse that trails the text "For fastest drivering downloads!  Click the link!"07:44
bborkkor simply exorcise it07:44
Agrajagexcersize or exorcise?07:44
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GammaRayyea.. that's it07:44
bborkkthere's a thigh joke coming up.  i can feel it.07:44
GammaRayknock knock07:45
gloin_seriously, is there any justification for not hiring native-language proofreaders in ANY language which you plan to have a website in?07:46
bborkkThey're expensive.07:46
Skif_not knowing any you know you can rely on?07:46
gloin_I'm also thinking of the "user manual" that came with my Samsung cable modem07:46
gloin_drivering downloads07:46
bborkkChopstick wrappers are the best.07:46
thoreauputicgloin_: when you don't want people to find out about your "trade secrets" <g>07:47
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=== gloin_ wonders if he could make bank moving to Taiwan or Seoul and doing editing
bborkkNo, you can't.  I tried.07:47
gloin_bborkk: ?07:47
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bborkkgloin_: Lived there for a while.  I'm not rich.  Q.E.D.07:48
thoreauputicgloin_: you could suggest the strategy to MS, for example: all their documents could be run through babelfish a couple of times...07:48
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gloin_bborkk: not neccessarily - after all, you said nothing about having tried to make it as a native-language editor07:48
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bborkkgloin_: Okay, it wasn't my full time occupation, but I did actually try it out.  It was sketchy enough to be fun, but not much money in it.07:49
Agrajaggloin_: ok, now how about tvtime?07:49
gloin_Agrajag: what is tvtime based upon?07:49
Agrajagif you want it to look decent, and you have a fast enough computer, tvtime's better07:49
Agrajagbased upon?07:50
gloin_=] 07:50
gloin_is it another xine/mplayer/all/same/codecs kind of thing, or is it completely separate from xawtv?07:50
Agrajagit's a TV viewer with a good deinterlacer07:50
Agrajagit's just a tv viewer07:50
Agrajaghas nothing to do with xawtv that I know of07:50
gloin_my understanding is that xawtv is a lot more than just a tv viewer07:51
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foolswisdomu r correct , it is a lot more07:54
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discordi cannot find the aplications i added to ubuntu added to the gnome panel thingy does it not add things to the panel like debian08:17
gloin_looks like a new sed is up08:17
gloin_discord: dunno... am KDE user08:17
=== discord everyone is always talking about sed i have to check it out sometime
gloin_the sed that was in hoary earlier tonight was broken, causing upgrade to fail08:18
gloin_it appears that another version or two has been released since then, so I'll chance it, knowing also how to fix it if it's broken08:19
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discordwhat is up with awk and sed anyways08:20
discordwhat do they do08:20
UbuntuNewbieHi channel08:20
gloin_hi UbuntuNewbie08:21
gloin_discord: simply put, they manipulate textfiles08:21
discordneed some help08:21
Agrajagdiscord: not to sound like an ass, but trfm and find out08:21
gloin_Agrajag: I think it's time for bed when you can't even RTFM right08:21
Agrajagawk stands for Aho, Weinberger, Kernighan, they're the guys that designed it08:22
Agrajaghey it's not even midnight08:22
discordsomeone was telling me they like the ubuntu community better than the debian one cause they dont always tell you rtfm08:22
Agrajagwell not always08:22
gloin_yeah Agrajag08:22
gloin_now you've gone and spoiled it08:22
UbuntuNewbieHas anyone here successfully set up a Palm device under ubuntu? I've got what I think are some USB problems ...08:23
Agrajagbut when you're asking what a command does, the manual can tell you a lot more than we can08:23
Agrajagand in more detail08:23
=== gloin_ likes Ubuntu because it's debian based upon packages < 3 years old
gloin_if I wanted KDE 1.x and the 2.2 kernel, I'd install debian08:23
gloin_but I don't08:23
AgrajagI installed sarge, it had kernel 2.6 and gnome 2.608:24
Agrajagthen my laptop died, and now ubuntu's on the new one08:24
gloin_>gnome< and 2.6 even08:24
=== gloin_ has a powerful dislike of gnome
Agrajagthen why are you using a gnome-based distro, if you don't mind my asking?08:25
gloin_Agrajag: two reasons: first I like it, and second, KDE is well-supported08:25
gloin_I guess three reasons08:25
gloin_third, most of the KDE distros end in either LLC, SA, or Inc.08:26
gloin_I came to ubuntu from SuSE08:26
AgrajagYou mean Like Canonical, Inc?08:26
AgrajagThe company that makes Ubuntu?08:26
gloin_which is a helluva lot better than redhat08:26
gloin_Agrajag: come on, you're spoiling my rant08:26
Agrajagyes, it's fun08:26
Agrajagoh I'm sorry, Canonical, Ltd.08:27
discordgloin_ why do you dislike g_nome so much?08:27
gloin_ubuntu is a very clean, quick, nice distro, with a very active user community, philosophically more in line with where I'm at than most, and it's highly flexible and VERY fast08:27
gloin_discord: gnome has gone backwards in terms of UI design08:27
discorddebian is pretty nice08:28
gloin_let's start with so-called "dimensional browsing"08:28
discordhmm i think kde is kinda ugly08:28
Skif_I like it.08:28
discordmaybe i was just using keramik08:28
gloin_AKA: win95-style or Mac OS 7.x style "Open each folder in a new window until your desktop is buried under crap"08:28
Agrajagyou can make it a browser instead of spatial with a checkbox08:28
gloin_yeah Agrajag but how lame is that?08:29
Skif_or maybe "when you open a window, it stays where you left it"08:29
Agrajaggloin_: uh08:29
Skif_*shrug* I liked it in mac os 6-908:29
Agrajagclicking a checkbox is lame?08:29
Skif_kinda bugged me they dropped it for os x08:29
gloin_Skif_ I wouldn't mind leaving a window where I left it - but it's the >amount< of windows that gets opened08:29
Skif_gloin_: control-click then (I think)08:29
Agrajaghold shift when you open a folder08:29
discordgloin:how is kde different than that08:29
Skif_Shift, that's it.08:29
gloin_Skif_ but they replaced it with Column view, which is far superior to anything else I08:29
gloin_I've seen08:29
Skif_gloin_: actually it's worse, because it doesn't give you a full picture of the path08:30
Skif_you just have a slice08:30
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discordhas anyone tried any of those expose clones?08:30
Skif_anyway, it honestly doesn't bother me, because I hate file managers of all kinds08:30
gloin_Skif_: I tend to agree with you there - I'd love to see a filepath bar above the column view08:31
gloin_well, it looks like someone fixed the broken sed package in hoary08:31
UbuntuNewbieA Filepath bar would be VERY helpful08:31
gloin_I'm upgrading without doing anything fancy and it's working fine08:31
linux_mafiadiscord, yep, im using skippy, couldnt get expocity going right08:31
gloin_overall, gnome looks and feels a lot more dated to me than KDE08:32
discorddo you like it and are you using it in kde or gnome?08:32
gloin_if you have halfway decent hardware, KDE runs snappy, and it feels smoother and less like bubble-gum to me08:32
linux_mafiadiscord, yes its good, gnome of course08:32
discordi dunno i like the simple looks08:32
discordof gnome08:32
discordi remember when i had kde08:33
gloin_does gnome have anything remotely like the KDE kiosk API?08:33
discordon my poor mans lcd08:33
discordwith 1024x76808:33
discordand that kpanel or whatever08:33
discordtook up half the screen08:33
gloin_nice work by the distro then08:33
gloin_it should be tiny08:33
thoreauputicdiscord: that's easy to get rid of08:33
gloin_just like the menubar08:33
discordslackware 8 9 1008:33
gloin_right-click on it if you have that happen again08:33
thoreauputicdiscord: and you can use autohide08:34
gloin_that's all it takes to change ANYTHING in KDE08:34
discordkeramik default08:34
discordyeah i dunno08:34
discordits cool that they are interoperable08:34
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gloin_true that08:35
ChibiHey, quick question that I'm not in the mood to investigate. Do the Ubuntu kernels have Framebuffer support compiled in? o_O08:35
gloin_is there anything like the Kiosk API for gnome?  this is a serious question, as I depend heavily upon that feature at work08:35
discordcan you add a little bar on the big bar (panel?) across the bottom to run programs from?08:35
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gloin_discord: in kde?08:36
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: ask your question, silly =] 08:36
gloin_discord: yeah08:36
thoreauputicUbuntuNewbie: heh08:36
Chibigloin_ - XFCE4.2 has some kiosk features.08:36
gloin_discord: right-click there =] 08:36
discordi dont think i know enough about either to pass judgment on kde or gnome08:36
gloin_Chibi: people still devloping on XVCE?08:36
UbuntuNewbieYeh, it's just that I can't seem to get my Palm device set up. It's USB, so's my mouse, and all I can do when I try to sync the Palm is a stupid mouse trick...08:37
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: that I'd like too see... =] 08:37
ChibiOf course. Why would olivier drop such a great project?08:37
UbuntuNewbieUm, it's a STUPID mouse trick ...08:37
gloin_but do you have jpilot on there?08:37
UbuntuNewbieThe mouse just hangs.08:37
UbuntuNewbiejpilot, yes.08:37
discordi like the icons in gnome08:37
discordwhen i have a text document08:37
discordyou can read it08:38
discordand resize the icon08:38
discordmake it gigantic if you want08:38
discordthe panel seems easy to use also08:38
discordif thats what it is called08:38
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: to be honest, it's been a long time since I've used my palmpilot - and then I only used it to sync with Evolution... now I don't remember at all08:38
discordand i like having one on top and bottom and having them small08:38
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gloin_discord: you'll find that the kmenueditor is a lot easier to use and understand than the gnome menueditors, which look to me suspiciously like regedit anyhow08:39
UbuntuNewbiegloin_: It's not a showstopper ... just figured someone, somewhere, has worked this one out already ...08:39
discordit may have changed08:39
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gloin_UbuntuNewbie: IIRC, you've got to set jpilot to the correct USB TTY08:40
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FTTPits me gloin :)08:40
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: try this: ls -l /dev/input/mice08:40
FTTPI reinstalled warty08:40
UbuntuNewbiegloin_ - need root terminal for this?08:40
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gloin_UbuntuNewbie: no08:40
FTTPnow i ran synaptic and did the reload and mark updates/smart update08:40
=== thoreauputic thinks we should all use twm and stop bitching about WMs/DEs <grin>
gloin_lol thoreauputic08:41
discordan yone know how to make the gnome panel dictionary refer to the system dictionary also?08:41
FTTPthere are new apps like sudo, and others08:41
FTTPare these bug fixes?08:41
FTTPsecurity ?08:41
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gloin_FTTP: you don't subscribe to bugtraq, do you?  lol08:41
FTTPlogin, lvm08:41
FTTPppp, sudo, etc...08:41
gloin_FTTP: you for sure want to install those08:41
FTTPi should update those right?08:41
gloin_trust me08:41
poOanyone know how i can modify the startup software in ubuntu?08:41
FTTPgloin:  you know how the update when you install is different?08:42
gloin_FTTP: huh?08:42
gloin_poO: huh?08:42
FTTPgloin:  When u install and it updates where does it take the files from?08:42
UbuntuNewbiels -l /dev/input/mice returns08:42
gloin_FTTP: same place synaptic does08:42
FTTPgloin:  When u do the 1st install and select yes to update from internet08:42
UbuntuNewbiecrw-------    1 root     root      13,  63 2004-11-17 15:10 /dev/input/mice08:42
FTTPgloin:  Then why didnt it download these files?08:42
FTTPsince i had the files updated08:42
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FTTPthats what im confused on08:42
poOglion: im trying to make a program start up when ubuntu loads08:42
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: that's interesting - do you have a USB mouse?08:42
discordill switch to kde08:42
poOanyone know how to do it?08:43
gloin_FTTP: sometimes applications need to be installed sequentially08:43
UbuntuNewbieYes, USB mouse. I'm thinking maybe some confusion between USB mouse and USB Palm cradle ... ?08:43
discordif it will let me use the work space switcher with dual monitors so that monitor one has workspace 1+2 and monitor 2 has workspace 3+408:43
foolswisdomthere is no gcc on the live cd eh08:43
FTTPgloin:  but if you select no on the update from internet upon install it wont install anything and if u go to synaptic it wont either08:44
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: see if you can reconfigure jpilot so that, say if now it's using /dev/somethingUSB0, change the 0 to a 108:44
FTTPgloin:  So obviously it gets different files or something08:44
gloin_FTTP: worked for me...08:44
poOglin: u know how to make a program to start up when ubuntu loads?08:44
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gloin_poO: you might check in /etc/init.d for a boot.local or something08:44
foolswisdomi am trying to figure out how to bootstrap Ubuntu from the Live CD ... no gcc makes it hard08:44
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rssHow do I configure my cd writer?08:44
FTTPanother thing......... how do i redo my screensize?08:45
rssit is a LG cd writer08:45
FTTPmy screen comes out wrong08:45
FTTPthe size and all08:45
FTTPits fine on windows08:45
gloin_FTTP: SaX208:45
FTTPgloin:  What tool does ubuntu have?08:45
thoreauputicpoO: do you mean load programs when gnome starts? If so , just check the option to save your session when you log out08:45
FTTPsax2 is suse08:45
discordrss: did you try ccdroast?08:46
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rssdiscord, is it on the main repository?08:46
rssit is not configured08:46
rssi think08:46
discordrss probably aptget install xcdroast08:46
rsswanted to blank a CD-RW08:46
discordthen there is a menu to choose drive, etc.08:46
rssso tried in cdrecord08:46
rsscdrecord blank=all08:47
gloin_k3b is still by far the nicest CD-mastering program I've seen for any OS08:47
=== discord should know how to use cdrecord but always used xcdroast
rssbut it came back with errors08:47
discordgloin is it for linux?08:47
rssi think it should use /dev/scd008:47
FTTPgloin:  What tool does ubuntu have for configuring screensize?08:47
FTTPsax2 is suse :P08:47
rssbut it is saying something about /dev/sg*08:48
gloin_discord: yeah08:48
rsswhich I believe is not for my cd writer08:48
gloin_and it is amazing =] 08:48
discordi think there is some XF86config thing08:48
discordif you dont want to edit it directly08:48
rssFTTP, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8608:48
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UbuntuNewbieHmmm ... looking at /dev for a ttyusb0 or ttyusb1, or *anything* claiming to be either usb or pilot ... coming up empty. A lot of numbered tty devices, some ttys (serial?), no usb, no pilot08:50
FTTPrss im going to try the nvidia driver 1st08:50
FTTPNote (optional): the nvidia-settings package provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as gamma correction.08:50
FTTPhow do i install nivida-settings?08:50
FTTPi installed the nvidia driver just now08:50
discordit should be on the package manager08:51
discordjust choose it08:51
FTTPsudo apt-get nvidia-settings?08:51
Gaarutosudo apt-get install nvidia-setting08:51
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discordFTTP new to the apt-get?08:51
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discordwhat distro were you on b4?08:52
UbuntuNewbieUnrelated question - has anyone seen a .deb for the new 0.9 version of mozilla thunderbird yet?08:52
FTTPwell i tried various distros long time ago08:52
FTTPlike slackware 3.008:52
FTTPand redhat 808:52
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: there is a 1.x version in hoary (testing) version08:52
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=== discord hoping i can figure out why my dual displays no longer work and fix em
FTTPand mandrake when it was a redhat with kde08:52
thoreauputicFTTP: to find stuff with apt:  apt-cache search nvidia  (for example)08:52
UbuntuNewbieW00t! I'll check that out ...08:52
FTTPoh no08:53
FTTPi didnt read the directions08:53
discordmandrake doesnt use a redhat kernel anymore?08:53
FTTPNVIDIA Graphics Card08:53
FTTPNote: requires linux-restricted modules >=
FTTPdo i need to redo all the commands ?08:53
FTTPor just install the i686 kernel now?08:53
discordanyone from the seattle area in here?08:53
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discordyou need those modules08:54
discordthey are restricted08:54
thoreauputicdiscord: mandrake hasn't used a redhat kernel for *eons*08:54
discordbecause they contain non free stuff i think08:54
FTTPdiscord right but do i need to redo the config08:54
FTTPor does new kernel automatically change everything08:54
FTTPfor the nvidia drivers i mean08:55
thoreauputicgloin_: debian does it for backward compatibility with old hardware08:55
FTTPi should have installed drivers after kernel or it doesnt matter?08:55
discordgloin its because that is the generic x86 everyone has although i think slackware may compile for i486 now08:55
thoreauputicgloin_: a good thing for people recycling old computers etc08:55
discordnot many in the us still with a 386 though08:55
discordthat thing is a dinasaur08:56
discordi have a commodore 64 though08:56
FTTPdiscord:  does it matter that i did the kernel after the drivers?08:56
FTTPor it doesnt matter?08:56
thoreauputicdiscord: we are talking internationally here ( third world countries for instance)08:56
discordum no i dont think so08:56
FTTPok thanks08:56
discordjust make sure you have the drivers and the matching kernel08:56
FTTPok gonna reboot08:57
ChibiDamn, This article is getting WAY too long.08:57
discordi know this thats why i said in the us08:57
UbuntuNewbiegloin_ - do I need to *create* /dev/ttyusb0 and/or /dev/ttyusb1? I see a MAKEDEV shell script ...08:57
discordjust didnt capitalize US08:57
lil_anthonyquestion: i have 2 network cards in my computer one pci and one isa after getting the isa one to work by disabling pnp on its chip using a dos disk and setting is io to 300h and irq to 10 and setting it to reserved for legacy.  now my pci card does not work but shows up in device manager any reason how to fix this? every time i try to click on networking to activate it nothing happens08:57
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: you shouldn't need to make those devices... I'm really curious as to how your mouse is being seen the way it is08:58
discordanyone try gentoo in here?08:58
AgrajagI used it for a year08:58
UbuntuNewbieThis is odd, then, there is no /dev/anythingUSB device I can see08:58
discorddo you need both lil_anthony are you using it as a server?08:58
thoreauputicdiscord: yeah, and actually I think 486 would be fine since getting linux to run on 386 with a GUI would be practically impossible, I suspect08:58
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gloin_UbuntuNewbie: that is odd.. I have no clue, honestly08:59
discordwindowmaker maybe08:59
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discordi mean 386 ran windoxe 3.108:59
lil_anthonyi'm using it as a server per say here is what i'm dong i hve a crossover going to my laptop for filesharing on a windows box using samba08:59
FTTPdrivers fixed my problem, but now instead of ubuntu, my computer loads with an nvidia logo08:59
thoreauputicdiscord: true08:59
lil_anthonythe laptop is connected to a wireless router but i have theh crossover plugged in to its other port09:00
lil_anthonythat is internal to the laptop09:00
FTTPhow do i restore the ubuntu logo ? :P09:00
lil_anthonytwo totally seperate ips09:00
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discordwhats with that setup lil_anthony? trying to forward some traffic through it?09:00
UbuntuNewbielil_anthony - you might pick up an inexpensive PCI 10/100 card. I've seen them as low as $5/$10 - would not want an ISA card in my server if I could avoid it09:00
FTTPdiscord:  the nvidia driver settings change the ubuntu logos?09:01
lil_anthonywell i understand all that09:01
gloin_lil_anthony: I'm thinking you probably have IRQ issues - good old ISA cards pretty much don't know how to configure themselves09:01
lil_anthonybut i had it working09:01
FTTPdiscord:  Now it boots into nvidia ugly screen09:01
gloin_lil_anthony: you may have to configure it from the BIOS09:01
lil_anthonyi hard configured it and it was working09:01
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lil_anthonyi did09:01
discordFTTP you have to edit your config file to tell it not too09:01
discordhold on ill look at mine09:01
FTTPdiscord how do i do that?09:01
lil_anthonyand again the isa card IS WORKING but the pci is not09:01
FTTPwhich is the config file?09:01
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discord/etc/X11/XF86_4config or something of that nature09:02
lil_anthonyi set the isa's io to 300h and the irq to 1009:02
discordanyone know why they are not using Xorg?09:02
lil_anthonyand i did modprobe 3c509 io=0x300 irq=1009:02
lil_anthonyand the isa card works09:03
gloin_discord: there's a faq on that - hoary does use xorg09:03
lil_anthonyjust can't get the pci one to09:03
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discordhoary is that the testing version?09:03
thoreauputicactually that should be /etc/X11/XF86Config-409:03
discordor is that the nickname for09:03
gloin_discord: yeah09:03
thoreauputiccase sensitive :/09:03
discordwarty warthog09:03
Agrajagyes, warty is stable, hoary is testing09:03
FTTPdiscord which line?09:04
FTTPdiscord:  I dont see anything in there that could be it09:04
FTTPbut what do i know :)09:04
UbuntuNewbielil_anthony, I guess I would ask, with 100BaseT and even gigabit cards so cheap, is this troubleshooting problem worth your time? That being said, do you have to tell the PCI interrupt-controlling thingie (I've forgotten the term) not to use IRQ10 that you gave to the ISA card? That would be a CMOS setting ... I think (it's late here)09:04
discordSection "Device"09:04
discordIdentifier"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "09:04
discord        Option "NoLogo" "1"09:04
discord        Option "TwinView"09:04
discord        Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-61"09:04
discord        Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "56-75"09:05
discord        Option "MetaModes" "1024x768, 1024x768;800x600, 800x600;"09:05
discord        Option     "NoTwinViewXineramaInfo" "False"09:05
discord        Option "TwinViewOrientation"      "RightOf"09:05
discord        Option      "Xinerama" "on"09:05
discord        Option      "Clone" "on"09:05
discord<discord>         Option "NoLogo" "1" specifically is what j00 need09:05
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lil_anthonyconsidering it ws working like 2 seconds ago yes i would consider it worth the time09:05
Treenaksdiscord: please use www.pastebin.com nest time09:06
Treenaksnext time too09:06
lil_anthonyboth cards were working perfectly09:06
FTTPdiscord mine has fontpath, and modules09:06
FTTPno options09:06
lil_anthonybut X crashed on me so i rebooted and here i am09:06
discordjust goto the device section09:06
Chibihttp://www.studiochibico.com/articles.php?mode=comments&id=30 <- If anyone wants to read something really boring before I switch back to teh ghetto laptop.09:06
gloin_FTTP: just add 'em in =] 09:06
discordunder driver "nvidia"09:06
discordand add option line in09:07
discordyou do not need all of mine09:07
FTTPdiscord:  ok09:07
discordanyone use dual monitors in here?09:07
discordother than me09:08
discordboth of mine worked09:08
discordthen i removed some ram09:08
discordand now they dont09:08
discordhad to remove the ram09:08
gloin_I'd love to talk to whomever is compiling the nvidia drivers for .deb packaging, becaue they clearly know something I don09:08
FTTPdiscord mine doesnt have a driver nvidia part09:08
discordcause me nforce 2 mb is a bitchass09:08
UbuntuNewbiegloin_ - just to check my guesses - should I be able to see /dev/ttyusb-something devices in /dev?09:08
gloin_newest nvida Ddriver BREAKS my system09:08
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: that's what I'd expect to see...09:08
smoI'm using dual-head with nvidia twin-view09:08
discordsmo do you have integrated video?09:09
discordmine is on the motherboard09:09
smonope, an AGP card09:09
discordwhen i took my ram out09:09
discordi only get 1 screen now09:09
discordbut both work in console09:09
discordits one of those things that no one can help me with09:10
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smoI'll admit I've not seen a motherboard with two outputs onboard.  But then I generally avoid onboard anything  (I broke my own rule today, and it bit me .. so call me jaded)09:11
UbuntuNewbie'Cause I don't ...09:12
discordits funny they call freenode UBUNTU Servers09:12
FTTPok gonna try it09:12
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UbuntuNewbielil_anthony - do the CMOS settings for your mobo allow you to set PCI configuration? That might let you reserve IRQ10 for the ISA card, which I assume is not plug and play...09:14
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FTTPok now it shows no logo, not even the ubuntu logo when u start up09:15
FTTPit shows some text then goes straight into ubuntu login screen09:15
FTTPhow do i get it back to normal?09:16
TreenaksUbuntuNewbie: if the bios doesn't support it, you can force it with acpi_isa_irq=1009:16
UbuntuNewbieTreenaks: I think that's for lil_anthony (acpi_isa_irq=10)09:16
TreenaksUbuntuNewbie: yes, but only if the bios doesn't support it09:16
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Treenaksthis is from suse, but might help:09:17
FTTPi should just be able to do apt-get and it should work fine and not change stuff <grin>09:17
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FTTPill check my old file09:17
Hyp-mer-tized(my eyes are getting heavy ...)09:17
Hyp-mer-tized(sleepy ...)09:17
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discordFTTP what is the problem09:18
UbuntuNewbieTime to schedule some downtime; thanks all09:18
discorddid you have the nvidia logo before?09:18
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discorddoes the nvidia driver not work for you?09:18
FTTPdiscord driver works fine09:18
discordso did that option not work?09:19
FTTPdiscord:  But when i added no logo, it boots right into the login prompt09:19
FTTPdidnt it used to have a ubuntu with text underneath?09:19
discordwhat did it do before?09:19
FTTPor was that only for the install09:19
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discordi dunno i dont use gpm09:19
discordbut i wouldnt think that option would mess with it09:20
discordi login to console09:20
FTTPanyone else here?09:20
smoI'm curious exactly what part of the bootup process you're expecting to see the logo?09:20
FTTPsmo:  You know the ubuntu logo where there is text underneath09:20
FTTPis that just for the install?09:20
smothe half blue / half black you see when it first boots the install CD?09:21
discordyou mean the background?09:21
FTTPsmo:  When u boot into ubuntu what do you see?09:21
FTTPsmo:  Just a little text then the ubuntu login prompt?09:21
smolots and lots of scrolling text, and then gdm's login screen09:21
FTTPi see a few lines of text, then the login09:22
FTTPyeah its normal i guess09:22
discordsounds right09:22
FTTPill put back the logo09:22
FTTPi shouldnt have messed with it :P09:22
discordyou know what is nice09:22
discordthats what you want FTTP09:22
discordwhen i turn on my laptop09:22
discordi get the text09:22
discordwith a big penguin in the background09:22
smoI've actually found a use for bootsplash now.  suprised myself  (it's not usually on my list of wants)09:22
discordwhats that smo?09:23
smobuilding a PVR .. watching linux boot on a TV feels so wrong09:23
smoreminds me of so many years where the keyboard, tape deck & computer were all the same beige lump09:23
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discordis their an unofficial bootsplash package for ubuntu?09:25
discordi guess i could use the debian one09:25
discordit would probably require a custom kernel09:25
discordman i wanna do some junk to the console09:26
discordneed more programming skillz09:26
Gaarutobye all09:26
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discordit would take some serious hacking09:26
FTTPdiscord how do i reprobe the modline?09:27
FTTPi entered in the refresh rates by hand09:27
FTTPwhich were all wrong09:27
FTTPon the modline setting thats prolly wrong too09:27
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gloin_this xserver doesn't break halfway09:29
gloin_even if I revert, it still won't come back09:29
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gloin_who does the nvidia drivers for ubuntu?09:29
gloin_Agrajag: Yeah, the drivers get repackaged and integrated09:30
discordunless you are using09:30
discordthe nv drivers09:30
gloin_I'm using nvidia09:30
discordthen its made by nvidia09:30
gloin_and tried to upgrade twice to current driver for nvidia09:30
gloin_no discord09:30
discordpackaged by ubuntu ppls09:30
discordwherever they are09:30
gloin_I'd like to find out how they're repackaged so I can upgrade09:30
discordi dont think they are in here though09:30
gloin_I've had to reinstall twice because the newer drivers aren't packaged yet and using the one from nvidia ruins the xserver beyond any repair09:31
discordubuntu devlopers speak up if you are in here09:31
Agrajagyou could just ue the nvidia installer09:31
gloin_Agrajag: see above09:31
Agrajagoh oh09:31
Agrajagwell that's odd09:31
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discordyeah the nvidia driver is an easy install09:32
gloin_there's some trick that I just don't know09:32
gloin_discord: lol not for me09:32
discorddoes require kernel source though09:32
gloin_for me the nvidia driver is a reinstall of the OS09:32
discordwhy's that?09:32
Agrajagdid you remove the ubuntu-installed driver first?09:32
gloin_Agrajag: no...09:32
Agrajagwell you probably should09:32
Agrajagstart clean09:32
discordyou would think the nvidia one would do it09:32
discordbut to be safe09:32
discordits easy to remove09:33
discordthat script they have09:33
discordis pretty nice09:33
discordit usually detects itself09:33
gloin_I'm going to uninstall here09:33
gloin_see if I can get away with it09:33
discordyou want me to ssh into your boxen and do it for you09:33
discord:] 09:33
dukekuit's not boxen09:35
cleeso, warty fails to boot on an 8-way Unisys system partition.09:36
gloin_Agrajag: that was the trick =] 09:37
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gloin_saved me from another reinsttall09:37
UbuntuNewbieBack ...09:38
UbuntuNewbiegloin_: Just wanted to say I think I've got it working (the Palm sync) ...09:38
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FTTPok i have to compile my APC software now09:38
FTTPno compiler included with ubuntu right?09:38
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Agrajagapt-get install build-essential09:38
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: what was the trick for it?09:39
Agrajagthat give you gcc and some others09:39
UbuntuNewbieUsed mknod to create /dev/ttyUSB0 through /dev/ttyUSB15, set a symlink to /dev/ttyUSB1 for the palm, and pointed jpilot to the symlink09:39
GammaRayAgrajag: build-essential09:39
FTTPthanks agrajag09:40
UbuntuNewbieIt's sync'ing now; if it ever stops I'll know if it was OK or not ...09:40
AgrajagGammaRay: what09:40
gloin_UbuntuNewbie: if it makes you feel any better, I get to do battle with my iPod when I get vid drivers stabilized09:40
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GammaRayAgrajag: that package09:41
AgrajagGammaRay: what about it09:41
UbuntuNewbieI'm feeling just fine, tho worn out (bloody but unbowed?)09:41
GammaRayAgrajag: I guess I mis-read what you said09:41
gloin_I'm now on hoary with the newest nvidia drivers, which ARE a lot faster =] 09:41
gloin_so life is good09:41
cleehoary is my friend.09:42
stuNNedis there an ubuntu document for compiling kernel?  (i need to do this to change something from M to built in)09:42
gloin_eh, I call 10% framerate increase in glxgears worth the effort =] 09:42
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gloin_stuNNed: there's a wiki on it09:42
lhbstuNNed: in the wiki is about 309:43
UbuntuNewbieWorked ...09:43
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stuNNedgloin_, lnb: thanks mates09:43
FTTPThe PowerChute Business Edition Agent requires at least09:43
FTTP      Sun Microsystems' JVM
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FTTPhow do i apt-get jvm 1.4.1?09:43
FTTPor can i ?09:43
gloin_ok now to get root back...09:43
UbuntuNewbieI come from a Window$ environment I'm not used to things working09:43
cleeah, the sed update totally killed me until I rememberd aptitude hold09:43
clee(on hammer)09:44
cleedunno if it was broken on i38609:44
gloin_clee: sed's fixed now =] 09:44
cleegloin_: Glad to hear that :)09:44
cleemeans I can upgrade my work workstation :)09:44
cleeso, man. did anybody else here see The Incredibles?09:45
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FTTPdiscord yes?09:47
discordwjere os that bonobo bot when you need it09:47
FTTPdoes sun java work with apt-get?09:47
FTTPor do i need to download it from sun?09:47
discordread that09:48
discordman im good09:48
discordand no thank u's09:48
discordi think that means its bedtime09:48
UbuntuNewbieI think discord had a point there09:50
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UbuntuNewbieThanks again, gloin_ - Khazad ai menu09:51
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FTTPcan someone help me install the sun java for linux i downloaded?10:03
FTTPi tried the website stuff but it didnt work10:03
stuNNedFTTP, you can get blackdown in the repo's10:03
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FTTPstunned:  Is that 1.4.2?10:03
luc1f3rhey guys10:03
luc1f3rwhere is the best place for me to get Nvidia drivers?10:04
stuNNedFTTP, it's blackdown 1.4_something10:04
FTTPstunned:  There are 2 of em, fs and rc110:04
luc1f3ror rather, the Nvidia driver for my GFX card10:04
FTTPok which should i get?10:04
FTTPfs or rc1?10:04
Agrajagluc1f3r: apt-get install nvidia-glx10:04
stuNNedFTTP, do you have deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./ as a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?10:04
luc1f3rAgrajag: will that be the newest driver?10:05
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Treenaksluc1f3r: it'll be the driver that was the newest when warty was released10:05
luc1f3rI think I've done that...  My problem is in the Screen Resolution settings10:05
Treenaksmorning daniels10:05
Agrajagno, if you want the latest ones I suggest going to nvidia.com10:05
FTTPstunned nope in synaptic do i have to add the / ./ also?10:06
stuNNedFTTP, not sure about synaptic, let me check10:06
FTTPstunned in distribution and sections what do i put?10:06
stuNNedFTTP, on URI line put: http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/10:07
stuNNedFTTP, an on Distribution line put: ./10:07
stuNNedand that should cover it.10:07
stuNNedthen 'Reload' and install j2re1.410:08
FTTPstunned also how do i install my apc software?10:10
FTTPits also a .bin10:10
FTTPfor linux10:10
stuNNedFTTP, apc?10:10
FTTPmy ups10:10
Agrajagchmod +x whatever.bin && sudo ./whatever.bin10:11
FTTPit needed java10:11
FTTPalso in my screen it says applying changes10:11
FTTPfor the java10:11
stuNNedFTTP, you probly need to manually copy the plugin to your firefox plugins dir as well10:11
FTTPand it had long text and said end10:11
stuNNedFTTP, did you accept the agreement?10:11
Treenaksif you need java10:11
FTTPhow do i accept the aggreement?10:12
Treenakslook at this one10:12
FTTPits stuck at end10:12
FTTPi pressed enter but nothing10:12
stuNNedFTTP, press 'q'10:12
stuNNedFTTP, then 'yes'10:12
FTTPthanks :)10:12
seek187lol I got so mad when I couldn't figure that out :P10:13
stuNNedFTTP, but if you want java 1.5 see Treenaks' link, thanks Treenaks10:13
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TreenaksstuNNed: it works great for applets on websites10:13
seek187I don't just see why no one just uses the plain installer I think it's easier10:13
Treenaksseek187: the package also plays nice with the debian "alternatives" system and the other java-packages available10:14
FTTPException in main class "JExpressLoader"10:14
FTTP    See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?10:14
FTTPnow what?10:14
Treenaks10:14 < FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?10:14
Treenakslook at the log file, check if you have enough disk space ???10:14
FTTPtreenaks yep after i tried what agrajag told me10:14
FTTPtreenaks plenty of space10:14
FTTPThu Nov 18 04:14:03 2004 Java wizard not started properly10:15
FTTP    See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?10:15
FTTPThu Nov 18 04:14:03 2004 Other possible causes for errors:10:15
FTTP    * Read/write access rights to the 'temp' and installation directories?10:15
FTTP    * OS need to be patched to run Java apps?10:15
FTTP    * Anti-virus software installed that won't permit unknonwn executable or JAR10:15
FTTPdo i need to do it after reboot?10:15
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smowas that errors.log ?10:16
TreenaksFTTP: no, reboots are only necessary for kernel upgrades and hardware upgrades10:16
FTTPso now what?10:16
FTTPi tried that chmod +x and sudo /.10:16
TreenaksFTTP: sudo /. ?????10:17
FTTPthats what agrajag told me to do10:17
FTTPsudo filename /.10:17
Treenaks /. ? that is just weird..10:17
FTTPerr ./ filename10:18
Treenaks./filename then without the space10:18
FTTPsudo ./filename is what he said10:18
FTTPis that right?10:18
TreenaksFTTP: could be10:18
TreenaksFTTP: but look at http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html, really10:18
TreenaksFTTP: it's so much easier10:18
jmhodgesoh man..10:18
jmhodgessed still hasn't made it in?10:18
FTTPno he said /.10:18
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FTTPhe said sudo ./filename10:18
Treenaksjmhodges: sed is fixed.. according to some poeple here10:18
FTTPnow im confused10:19
FTTPi did the chmod +x10:19
seek187yup it is!10:19
jmhodgesTreenaks: really? wonder why it didnt hit hoary-changes10:19
FTTPseek187:  What is the right command?10:19
jmhodgesTreenaks: i less than three you10:19
FTTPseek187:  I did the chmod x filename10:19
seek187FTTP, for what10:19
jmhodgesseek187: you as well :)10:19
FTTPto install a bin?10:19
Treenaksjmhodges: hm.. people here told me10:19
jmhodgesthanks :)10:19
seek187sudo ./filename10:19
TreenaksFTTP: the java binary package from sun.com you mean?10:19
FTTPthe apc .bin10:19
Agrajagno, I said ./10:19
FTTPfor powerchute10:19
Agrajaglook up10:20
TreenaksFTTP: the what?10:20
TreenaksFTTP: ah ok10:20
FTTPagrajag thats what i did10:20
AgrajagI'm not that tired10:20
FTTPill try it again10:20
TreenaksFTTP: isn't there a package for APC UPSs?10:20
seek187Oh were not talking about java anymore10:20
FTTPtreenaks i got it from apc website10:20
TreenaksFTTP: don't do that..10:21
smoIs there any way to make apt-get more verbose?  (in particular, it's telling me it can't satisfy build-dep mozilla-firefox, but no mention of what's missing)10:21
FTTPException in main class "JExpressLoader"10:21
FTTP    See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk10:21
TreenaksFTTP: get apcupsd from the archive10:21
TreenaksFTTP: "Jexpressloader" sounds like it's java.. do you have java?10:21
FTTPi just installed that before10:21
TreenaksFTTP: then you might have the wrong version. and also, use the apcupsd _package_ and not some tool from some website10:21
seek187FTTP, does the command which java show it?10:21
seek187'which java'10:22
FTTPwhat command?10:22
FTTPwhich java command10:22
TreenaksFTTP: no nono10:22
TreenaksFTTP: type "which java" on a command line10:22
TreenaksFTTP: then press ENTER10:22
FTTPso whats with the java error?10:23
FTTPsee thats the thing about debian10:24
TreenaksFTTP: we don't know. use the package instead of some crappy piece of software from the manufacturer10:24
FTTPtreenaks ok how do i install it?10:24
FTTPill try that one10:24
FTTPthe manufacturer software is great tho10:24
Agrajagapt-get install apcupsd10:24
TreenaksFTTP: search for APC in synaptic10:24
Treenaksor that10:24
FTTPit shows my power voltages and everything in graphs10:24
TreenaksFTTP: apcupsd logs those.. you can get cacti to make graphs for you10:25
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FTTPtreenaks no apcupsd in there10:27
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seek187apcupsd is in universe10:27
TreenaksFTTP: do you have universe enabled?10:27
FTTPhow do i enable that?10:27
TreenaksFTTP: do that then10:27
wfxim sorry but i sutdown the bonobo bot.10:27
FTTPwhats the url  and the other part?10:27
TreenaksFTTP: just read /etc/apt/sources.list please10:27
TreenaksFTTP: it contains instructions10:27
seek187FTTP,  are you in synaptic?10:28
seek187yeah do that10:28
FTTPyes im in synaptic10:28
FTTPseek187 ok what do i add? :)10:28
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smothey should already be entered in synaptic .. you just need to check them to enable them  (it understands comments .. very nice)10:28
seek187FTTP go to settings > repositories10:28
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seek187and check the two greyed out repositories10:29
FTTPits there :)10:29
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seek187now press reload after you do that10:29
FTTPseek187 how do i remove that java?10:29
FTTPsince its a bad version10:29
FTTPor can i?10:29
seek187How do you now it's bad?10:29
FTTPit wont work with the other app10:30
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FTTPseek187:  One problem, my apc is usb10:30
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FTTPthe apc module for linux is serial10:30
seek187did you try installing that app with apt-get and not the factory one?10:30
smoI've a feeling my system is subtly hosed.  libgnome2-dev isn't installable in warty?10:30
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TreenaksFTTP: it works for usb as well10:31
TreenaksFTTP: believe me, I tried10:31
FTTPtreenaks ok10:31
FTTPinstalling apcupsd now10:31
FTTPwhere did the program add to?10:32
Maydayanyone know where to find xcompmgr och transet for hoary?10:32
FTTPtreenaks i installed it but i dont see it10:32
seek187 http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/10:32
FTTPdo i need to relog for it?10:33
TreenaksFTTP: please be a bit clearer10:33
TreenaksFTTP: WHAT did you install and WHAT don't you see?10:33
FTTPtreenaks:  do i need to log out of gnome?10:33
FTTPthe apc app10:33
FTTPapcsd or whatever10:33
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TreenaksFTTP: it's running. in the background.10:35
FTTPtreenaks so how do i load it?10:35
FTTPi mean see it10:35
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TreenaksFTTP: ps ax10:35
FTTPps ax in terminal?10:35
TreenaksFTTP: or in the system tool thingy10:35
TreenaksFTTP: it's a deamon process. it runs in the background.10:36
lil_anthonyanyone able to help me with a pci network card issue please? for some reason my pci nic suddenly refuses to work :( and when i go to networking to enable it it freezes then closes and its still disabled :(10:36
TreenaksFTTP: you might need to reconfigure it for your needs, there should be a configuration file in /etc/ somewhere10:36
Treenakslil_anthony: what kind of nic10:36
lil_anthonyit was working fine then all the sudden no go for launch10:36
TreenaksFTTP: acpid != apcupsd10:37
lil_anthonyafter X crashed on me making me reboot :(10:37
TreenaksFTTP: read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html10:37
FTTPtreenaks then its not running10:37
TreenaksFTTP: it helps10:37
FTTPthere is no apcupsd on that list10:37
TreenaksFTTP: then you might need to configure it for your situation10:37
smoand /usr/share/doc/apcupsd/  .. there's a reason people take the time to write documentation10:37
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FTTPsmo all thats in there is copyright and changelogs10:38
lil_anthonyany ideas tree?10:39
FTTPoh examples dir?10:39
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smoahh, I finally managed to wade thru my own mess far enough to get this sorted.  I just discovered why repositories don't mix10:41
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Maydayxcompmgr is just supposed to be run right? or do i need to add alot of cmdline flags to get it do its thing?10:59
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sladenMayday: xcompmgr is known buggy at the moment so is not started by default11:05
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stuNNedTreenaks, ok so this sun 1.5 java does do nicely with java applets, thanks!11:12
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TreenaksstuNNed: I told you :P11:14
rsachererhello!! I am using ubuntu hoary and in gnome the nautilus filemanager and the file-open dialog are horrible slow, i notice if i start a app from console messages like 'could not connect to /tmp/fam-rsacherer' ...11:15
stuNNedrsacherer, you need to install ...11:15
stuNNedrsacherer, think that will fix, not really sure.11:17
rsacherergamin? i install it11:17
Gmailrsacherer: do the following11:18
Gmailsudo apt-get update11:18
Gmailsudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:18
Gmailsudo apt-get install ubuntu-base11:18
Gmailsudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop11:18
stuNNedrsacherer, yes, gamin11:18
GmailstuNNed: i ment you11:19
rsachererhmmm, it seems gamin did the trick, once installed, it works like a charm :-)11:19
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stuNNedrsacherer, new fam subprocess or something, not sure.11:19
GmailstuNNed: if you don't have gamin install that means you don't have ubuntu-base install and you need it install if your using hoary11:19
Gmailrsacherer: its part of ubuntu-base11:20
Kamionubuntu-desktop, not ubuntu-base11:20
rsachererGmail, if i install ubuntu-desktop, it removes totem-gxine and installs totem-gstreamer, but IMO totem-gstreamer is buggy as hell, can i install totem-gxine after installing ubuntu-desktop? or has it dependencys-conflicts after that?11:20
Treenaksrsacherer: you can't have both installed at the same time.11:21
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Gmailubuntu-desktop just relies on stuff11:22
Gmailmake sure you have everything else it relies on11:22
bur[n] eris anyone a crossover office user?11:22
bur[n] erwell damn11:22
bur[n] er;)11:22
rsachererare there any other packages which are NOT installed through a dist-upgrade when upgrading from warty to hoary which are essential for ubuntu?11:23
Gmail<<< is a gmail user thought11:23
bur[n] er<<< is a gmail user too11:23
Gmail<<< is a gmail user three11:23
bur[n] erencrypted pop via ssl, my pay-for email server doesn't have that11:23
rsacherer<<< is a gmail user also :-)11:23
Gmail<<< is a gmail addic11:24
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fabbioneok please stop11:24
fabbioneit's offtopic11:24
bur[n] ertopic being?  hrm... i didn't order a cd11:25
Gmailsmo: gmail supports pop311:26
stuNNedquestion: will ubuntu ever have novell linux desktop open office fonts and document filters?11:26
GmailstuNNed: ubuntu is not novell11:26
Gmailnovell make there own distroS11:26
stuNNedwonder if they will f/oss it.11:27
Gmailits oss11:27
Gmailyou pay for the binary form11:27
Gmailand you get support included11:27
scaroostuNNed, the shiped OO has already the patches from ximian, for the fonts i dunno11:28
topylifonts can have the strangest licenses11:28
stuNNedscaroo, think ximian will continue to release patches now that they are part of novell?11:29
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topylistuNNed: why not? ximian seems more open than ever now :)11:30
scaroostuNNed, yep, the OOO licence force them to, and dont forget that ximian guys are goooood guys :)11:30
scaroosee url above11:30
xukunist worth to compile my own kernel for ubuntu?11:30
Gmailthe ubuntu kernel is better than a home made one11:31
scarooxukun, no if your hw is supported by the vanilla one11:31
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stuNNedscaroo, i need piix kernel support to be built into kernel and not as module, will that mess up ide_core, libata and the like modules?11:32
Gmailthe ubuntu kernel is not a vinilla one11:32
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Gmailits a debian + ubuntu one11:32
scarooGmail, by vanilla i d though ubuntu defalut11:33
stuNNedtopyli, scaroo: there is OpenOffice_org-1.1.3-0.15.src.rpm on novell's ftp site! :D11:33
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scaroostuNNed, i realle dunno about the piix support, sorry11:33
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stuNNedscaroo, logically speaking though, as long as the support is there in the kernel, built in or not, then corresponding modules should load right?  or just build all associated into kernel maybe...11:34
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Kamion(sed fixed)11:38
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scaroowhat was the issue with its infopage ?11:38
Kamionjust a build issue11:39
Kamionsome old .info files were lying around in the source package and confused matters11:40
stuNNedhow do i list files in a .deb that is not installed?11:40
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thoreauputicstuNNed: you need to install apt-file  ( and run apt-file update)11:41
stuNNedthoreauputic, thanks mate11:42
thoreauputicthemn you can do for instance apt-file search foobar to find files in that package11:42
stuNNedthoreauputic, actually, the file isn't from hoary/warty11:42
stuNNeddoes this matter?11:43
thoreauputicas long as it's from the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list I think apt-file should work11:43
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stuNNedthoreauputic, talking about a rogue .deb file really11:44
thoreauputicbut I'm on debian so I can't be certain ( can't see why not though)11:44
stuNNedthoreauputic, a deb generated from alien actually11:44
thoreauputicah I see11:44
thoreauputicwell if you have the rpm you can look at its contenets in midnight commander11:45
scaroodpkg-deb -c *.deb11:45
thoreauputicscaroo: is that to see a *.deb's contents?11:46
scaroofrom the man, it seems to, but i never used that :)11:46
Kamionyes, it is11:46
thoreauputicKamion: thanks :)11:46
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stuNNedscaroo, yes, that's what i was looking for, thanks, and thanks thoreauputic11:47
thoreauputicstuNNed: you're welcome11:47
=== stuNNed wonders if ubuntu will ship with novell linux desktop theme set, seeing that it's based on new ximian industrial theme... no? :)
scaroostuNNed, np, dont forget to share your OOO bianries ;)11:48
stuNNedscaroo, will do, will do :)11:48
stuNNedscaroo, i have new industrial theme, courtesy of another #ubuntu user, if you like11:48
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scaroostuNNed, what has changed in industrial ?11:51
stuNNedif i use alien with no arguments to convert a .tar.gz that is meant to be unzipped at / would that work?11:52
stuNNedscaroo, well, a few things, an overhaul i guess, icons...titlebar color, slight change in border color11:52
scaroostuNNed, is it still so bright ?11:53
scarooi found indubstrial, easier on the eyes11:53
stuNNedscaroo, the borders are a little darker, titlebar is a little darker, icons lighter maybe? one sec i'll put up a screenshot11:54
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GmailKamion: if sed is fixed we can add what i took out11:56
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Kanocan someone give me the result of:11:56
Kanodpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions11:57
scarooscaroo@trantor ~/Doom 3 $ dpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions11:57
scaroolsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions11:57
stuNNedhow to test run a deb file to see where it installs?11:57
Kanohmm a different package than in sid11:58
Kanodpkg -S $(which log_begin_msg)11:59
Kanoand that11:59
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Gmail--- Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).11:59
Gmailthat is unfair11:59
hbosgreat, the request password function of the wiki is broken11:59
Gmaildon't force me to talk offtopic here12:00
topyliGmail: congrats, you've probably managed to be off topic in there :)12:00
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topylitalking about ubuntu or something12:00
danielsGmail: you were banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for flooding the channel with ascii art12:01
danielsGmail: may I suggest #offtopic for all your off-topic needs?12:01
stuNNedscaroo, http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/ubuntu_images/new_industrial.png <-new ximian industrial theme (Industrial-Steel) ?12:01
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topylistuNNed: hmm. that doesn't hurt as much as the old industrial12:03
topylithe icons are better12:03
scaroostuNNed, really subtle changes , but i sure like the new icons theme :)12:04
stuNNedtopyli, i'm testing a .deb package now...12:04
stuNNedscaroo, you too :)12:04
topylistuNNed: if it works, you must upload it for all the children of the world so we can test :)12:05
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Gmaildaniels: doing /exec -o figlet i love ubuntu12:06
Gmailis not offtopic12:06
TreenaksGmail: it is annyoing though12:06
danielsGmail: it's enough to justify a ban12:07
stuNNedokay i did dpkg -c industrial-foo.deb and i get a line like:12:07
topyliGmail: you need to start #ubuntu-offtopic-flood :)12:07
stuNNed-rw-r--r-- root/root       192 2004-11-18 04:52:20 ./usr/share/doc/industrial-steel/changelog.Debian.gz12:07
stuNNeddoes the beginning ./ after date mean it will be installed at / ?12:08
stuNNedi think so but unsure12:08
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plovs_workhow do i unmount my usb-filesystem? it says it is in use even if dnus is not running12:09
scaroostuNNed, i dunno in this particular case but ./ is the cwd (current working directory) but maybe here the ./ is relative to a debian specific path wich may have the value of "/"12:09
topylistuNNed: dunno, to me it looks like it'll be installed in . (working dir)12:10
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lil_anthonycan someone help me in getting my nic to get the dhcp assigned address please?12:10
plovs_workpitti, how do i unmount my usb-filesystem? it says it is in use even if dbus is not stopped12:11
scaroolil_anthony, dont ask to ask :)12:11
Gmailtopyli: started12:11
scaroolil_anthony, go on12:11
pittiplovs: this is caused by FAM12:11
pittiplovs: we will replace fam with something sensible in hoary12:12
pittiplovs_work: ^^12:12
lil_anthonywell i don't know what to ask other than it doesn't work as in try to enable the pci to get an address and it doens't get the address12:12
lil_anthonythe card is detected but no internet12:12
pittiplovs_work: you can log out and back in if that is possible12:12
stuNNeddang, how to edit a .deb?12:12
pittiplovs_work: otherwise, just do "sync", wait a bit and rip it out12:12
scaroolil_anthony, try sudo dhclient12:12
plovs_workpitti, thanks (duh), i'm trying to make a bootable usb and it's a pain12:12
trey`stuNNed: man dpkg-deb  :)12:12
lil_anthonyok hang on ahdn thanks12:13
stuNNedtrey`, thanks mate12:13
plovs_workpitti, umounts now12:13
Gmail/join #ubuntu-offtopic-flood12:13
lil_anthonysays no dhcpoffers received12:14
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scaroook, tell us more about your network, and how it it connected to the net12:15
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scaroodirectly with pppoe ? or have you got a gateway ?12:15
lil_anthonycable modem from a coax to the modem then from modem have cat5 cable to a network card12:15
lil_anthonynot ppoe i'm on cable not dsl12:16
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trey`lil_anthony: stupid question, but you are sure your Cable provider isn't in an outage or anything?12:16
lil_anthonychecked it on my windows bos12:16
stuNNedwhoa, the way man2html is set up in ubuntu is mint12:16
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lil_anthonycan check again just to make total sure but it all happened after i tried to get my isa card to work12:17
lil_anthonyi got it working started using kudzu12:17
lil_anthonyfound out there was a bug with kudzu so i uninstalled it12:17
lil_anthonycards were still working both the pci and the isa12:17
lil_anthonyand the gui crashed on me12:17
lil_anthonyso i restarted12:17
lil_anthonyand have no internet12:18
trey`lil_anthony: Debian usually uses Discover, Ubuntu will use Hotplug exclusively... Kudzu is for Red Hat  ;)12:18
scaroowhat does ifconfig says ?12:18
lil_anthonyhang on12:18
lil_anthonywill try to type it12:18
stuNNedhow does ubuntu allow for inheriting permissions of parent directory if file is placed in that dir12:18
lil_anthonytype it at pastebin or here?12:19
scaroopastebin would be better12:19
trey`lil_anthony: not here... can try #flood or pastebin  :)12:19
lil_anthonyanything specific your looking for? or you need it all12:19
lil_anthonycause thatsd alot of typin :)12:19
trey`lil_anthony: everything in the eth0 section is useful...12:20
scarooaw, forgot that you couldn t cpy/paste :p12:20
lil_anthonyyeah unfortunately12:20
lil_anthonyok i'll just type it12:20
lil_anthonytake me a few mins12:21
trey`stuNNed: afaik, Unix based systems don't know about inherited permissions... permissions are set via umask etc...12:22
scarootrey`, what about ACL ?12:22
trey`scaroo: could be mistaken, but ACL's aren't used by default afaik...12:23
trey`They are a new thing for 2.6... so aren't widely used yet  :(12:23
scarooyeah sure, but i think they solve this issue, no ?12:23
Gmaili terned on my fan and my montor became on shaky12:24
trey`scaroo: honestly never tried to play with ACL's on a Unix based system  :(12:24
Gmailthe screen is shaking12:24
scaroosame here12:24
scaroo^ trey12:24
Gmailthe top panel is going on and off the screen12:24
scarooGmail, mysterious electro magnetism :)12:25
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trey`lil_anthony: that confirms you are not getting a DHCP response  :/   You should be able to use the same info as your current box...12:26
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trey`Use Static, and set it up...12:26
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nanotechanyone here know anything about clustering boxes?12:27
scaroolil_anthony, try setting up static ip12:27
lil_anthonyunder networkinig right in manual?12:27
scarooifconfig eth0 up12:27
lil_anthonyoh ok12:27
scarooreplace by your ip of course :)12:27
lil_anthonyno gateway or anything like that?12:27
scaroowe ll see that later :)12:28
trey`lil_anthony: man ifconfig to see how to set that stuff... but I think the Networking GUI app can do it too...12:28
lil_anthonyerror while getting interface flags: NO such device12:28
trey`lil_anthony: ahh... modprobe (what we told you earlier)12:28
lil_anthonyyeah modprobe with that io=0x300 irq=10 thing?12:29
lil_anthonythat was for the isa12:29
lil_anthonyi don't know it for the pci12:29
lil_anthonyoh yeah i do12:29
trey`lil_anthony: ahh... different card? what is the module?12:29
lil_anthonythats my pci12:30
lil_anthonythe isa one works perfect12:30
trey`k, modprobe that... shouldn't be specific this time...12:30
lil_anthonybut still no internet on it either12:30
stuNNedscaroo, topyli and others: just 'dirty hacked' the new ximian industrial-steel theme, here goes: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/debs/industrial-steel_1-2_all.deb there is md5sum of package in same url dir12:30
topylistuNNed: whee! thanks12:30
lil_anthonymodule not found12:30
trey`drop the b12:30
lil_anthonystill not found12:31
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xf_stuNNed: screenshot?12:31
trey`lil_anthony: bah... modprobe 3c90x12:32
stuNNedxf_, sure http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/ubuntu_images/new_industrial.png12:32
lil_anthonynot found12:32
lil_anthonyi noticed it was never listed in /etc/modules12:33
trey`lil_anthony: http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/linuxdownload.htm   download there driver... should work on Ubuntu also...12:33
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Treenakstrey`: no! ubuntu has working drivers.. don't just download stuff12:33
trey`Treenaks: care to enlighten us about the module then?12:33
trey`Treenaks: cuz everything I see about 3c905b is not loadable  :/12:34
lil_anthonythe 2.2.12 one right?12:34
Treenakstrey`: what does it say whan you load it?12:34
trey`lil_anthony: Treenaks seems to think he knows of the module... hold on12:34
MabusI've got two Ubuntu computers, and I want them to share passwd (using PAM ?). Are there any good documents/howtos/tutorials I can read?12:34
trey`Treenaks: "not found"...12:35
Treenakstrey`: exact message please12:35
topylistuNNed: yep, looks good. had to force package though :)12:35
MabusI also want them to share home-directories, but I'm guessing that's a simple fstab mount.12:35
topylistuNNed: the icons are really cool12:35
trey`Treenaks: ask lil_anthony... idk...12:35
Mabus(across NFS)12:35
lil_anthonyyou want the message from the probe?12:35
trey`lil_anthony: Treenaks does, yes12:35
topylistuNNed: it's brighter than indubstrial but doesn't hurt anymore :)12:36
Treenakslil_anthony: the exact one, yes12:36
stuNNedtopyli, sorry about that, my first try12:36
lil_anthonymodeprobe 3c905b = FATAL: Module 3c905b not found.12:36
stuNNedtopyli, why force?12:36
lil_anthonysame applies exactly with name different if i use 3c90x12:36
Treenakslil_anthony: isn't there a utility for DOS or something to force the card in plug & play mode?12:36
lil_anthonyfor the isa there is12:37
topylistuNNed: i had industrial installed. industrial-steel overwrites the icons, and dpkg doesn't like to do that12:37
lil_anthonythe pci one i don't know12:37
Treenakslil_anthony: try "3c509" or "3c59x"12:37
lil_anthonycause i never had a problem with it12:37
nanotechanyone know if it's possilbe to cluster heterogenous networks of comps? Between osx, and other unix based kernals?12:37
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stuNNedtopyli, yes, i had similar, had to force as well from a previous .tar.gz file extracted to /12:38
lil_anthonythat appears too have taken12:38
trey`nanotech: I've only set up Beowolf and OpenMosix clusters  :(12:38
Treenakslil_anthony: type 'dmesg | tail' now12:38
Treenakslil_anthony: see if it claims to have found something12:38
topylistuNNed: a fix would be to make industrial-steel "upgrade" industrial but i don't think it's worth the work12:38
lil_anthonyat a > prompt12:38
nanotechanyone? i've been trying to research this, but i've been running into ealls12:39
Treenakslil_anthony: at the prompt you just used to modprobe12:39
Treenakslil_anthony: if it worked, add the module that worked to /etc/modules12:39
lil_anthonythats what i'm saying when i typed it it changed the path to >12:39
Kamiontopyli: just add Replaces: industrial to industrial-steel.deb12:39
Treenakslil_anthony: oh.. type Ctrl+C then12:39
Treenakslil_anthony: and don't type the "'" around it :)12:39
Treenakslil_anthony: so it should look like:  # dmesg | less12:40
Treenakslil_anthony: (or $ dmesg | less)12:40
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lil_anthonyok so type dmesg | less?12:40
Treenaksyes sir.12:40
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lil_anthonyok with the now as well?12:40
Treenaksno wait12:41
Treenakstail isntead of less12:41
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lil_anthonyaww ok12:41
lil_anthonyi read your now as a command sorry12:41
Treenaksjust type dmesg | tail<enter>12:41
lil_anthonyi did ok i got it12:41
satanOnTheBeachok, if i accidentally used a prerelease disk to install, after things update from the net, will it be the same? or flawed?12:41
lil_anthonywhat are you looking for cause i got a good bit of output12:41
stuNNedanyone know which file in the .deb sets preference of upgrade from another deb?12:42
lil_anthonyeth1: 3c5x9 found at 0x22012:42
satanOnTheBeachknow anything about a sony vaio pnp bios error? didn't seem to major12:42
Treenakslil_anthony: congratulations :)12:42
lil_anthonyso modprobe io=0x220?12:42
Treenakslil_anthony: add the 3c5x9 to /etc/modules and it'll work (though it might not be eth1 on next boot.. so try rebooting first, then configure it)12:42
Treenakslil_anthony: no12:42
Treenakslil_anthony: it works now12:42
satanOnTheBeachand Hey... if anyone needs help with a pxe install.. I got that down...12:42
Treenakslil_anthony: just add a line saying "3c5x9" to the end of /etc/modules12:43
lil_anthonyok hang on12:43
Treenakslil_anthony: then it'll work after you reboot as well..12:43
lil_anthonynow reboot?12:44
lil_anthonyor modprobe 3x5x9?12:44
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lil_anthonyor should i reboot?12:45
trey`lil_anthony: reboot...12:45
bungleis it easy to install ??12:45
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trey`lil_anthony: 3x5x9 is not a module...12:45
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trey`bungle: very....12:45
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trey`bungle: Takes about 20 mins to have a fully functional system...12:46
lil_anthonyhope this works i been up all night trying to figure it out12:46
lil_anthonythanks :)12:46
nimchow can i reset the internet connection without rebooting (because my cable modem disconnects sometimes) ?12:47
trey`nimc: /etc/init.d/networking restart12:47
nimccool... thanks12:47
stuNNedis there synaptic like frontend to creating .deb packages?12:48
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trey`stuNNed: afaik, no  :(12:48
lil_anthonyhanging on configure network interfaces so i know it didn't detect it12:49
trey`bungle: thats hardly the easy way out... Mandrake is a pita imo...12:49
bunglecause the previous owner of this ibook wrecked it trying to install all windows stuff & deleting system files n stuff12:49
bungleone last question12:49
bunglewtf is the button on the bottom of this machine for12:50
lil_anthonyany other suggestions :(12:50
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trey`lil_anthony: ctrl+c... probably wrong module...12:50
lil_anthonyi think 3c5x is for the isa serious12:50
lil_anthonybut i wasn't gonna say anything12:50
trey`bungle: hit it, see what happens  :)12:50
stuNNedtrey`, do you know how to set an .deb as an upgrade to another .deb?12:50
lil_anthonycause i don't know12:50
trey`stuNNed: just set the version higher  ;)12:50
lil_anthonyi'm back in gnome awaiting your command master :)12:51
bungleit has 3 little lights12:51
trey`bungle: does nothing when you hit it?12:51
bungleit's not the on button I found it12:51
bungle... um it makes a tune12:51
trey`lil_anthony: search google for what lsmod says about your NIC...12:52
trey`append with a linux though, makes searching easier  :)12:52
stuNNedtrey`, in the 'control' file or?12:52
bungleit's a white g3 ibook with a button on the bottom12:52
trey`stuNNed: yes... should be seen as a newer version just by the way you name the .deb though...12:53
lil_anthonythis blows :( the damn thing worked before i rebooted12:53
trey`stuNNed: for instance... *ubuntu2 is an upgrade of *ubuntu1 to apt etc...12:53
stuNNedtrey`, ah ok, i'm not sure if industrial-steel is variant of industrial or replacement12:53
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KamionstuNNed: doesn't work like trey` described if the package name is different12:54
bunglei believe its the hdd12:54
KamionstuNNed: what exactly do you mean by "upgrade"? define terms carefully12:54
bungleit just fell out12:54
bungleno nol the battery12:54
KamionstuNNed: what you described earlier on sounded like a straightforward "Replaces: industrial"12:54
lil_anthonywould running the installation disk again fix it?12:54
stuNNedKamion, if one wants to switch from old ximian industrial theme to newer ximian industrial-steel theme...12:55
trey`Kamion: he wants the system to replace industrial with industrial-steel...12:55
stuNNedKamion, ah ok in 'control' file?12:55
KamionstuNNed: you don't want to make the old industrial package unusable though12:55
KamionstuNNed: why do you need to install files with the same name as industrial?12:55
KamionstuNNed: why not just name all the files differently so you don't have any file conflicts at all?12:56
KamionstuNNed: then you don't need any magic in debian/control at all and as a bonus everything probably works better12:56
stuNNedKamion, i'm not sure if 'industrial-steel' is a replacement to old industrial, should i find that out first or?12:57
bunglewhen I put ubuntu in the cdrom .. how do I boot it up12:57
bunglelike on a pc you would just boot off the cd12:57
KamionstuNNed: yes, definitely12:57
bungledoe it do the same12:57
KamionstuNNed: I don't think it should be12:57
Kamionbungle: yes12:57
trey`bungle: it should... although I have heard of it being more complicated...12:57
Kamionbungle: oh, sorry, mac12:57
Kamionbungle: hold down c at boot time.12:58
Kamionbungle: see the Ubuntu website, I wrote directions on this and put them up there12:58
stuNNedKamion, ok then :)12:58
Kamionlook for the installation howto12:58
bungleKamion can I burn cd's easily with it12:58
bungleor command line12:58
Kamionbungle: I don't know if the ibook g3 has a CD writer? works for me on my powerbook g4 though12:58
bunglehey how do I find out if this is a g3 or g412:59
bunglethey just said to me it was a g3 when they handed it over12:59
Kamionbungle: in Linux, cat /proc/cpuinfo12:59
bungle no no12:59
bungleit still has os x 10.2.3 on it12:59
Kamionisn't there a system stats thing somewhere? I'm sure I saw it but I haven't run OS X in ages01:00
trey`bungle: the apple "about this mac" thingy should tell you?01:00
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bungleok i am looking01:00
Kamionanyway G3/G4 is just the processor, it's not necessarily relevant to whether or not you have a CD writer01:00
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bunglehow do I find out what the cdrom thing is01:00
trey`Says very basic info... like RAM and processor afaik...01:01
bungleyeah] 01:01
bunglelol I sound so stupid but I haven't used a mac since I was in grade 401:01
bunglethat was like 16yr ago01:01
bunglemore even01:01
trey`bungle: its ok  :)   should have gotten more info from the previous owner though  ;)01:02
bunglelol it's previous owners didn't know anything about it01:02
bunglethey got me & my b/f to fix them up a windows machine01:02
bunglemy b/f swapped his fish tank for it01:02
bunglen gave it to me for my b'day01:03
trey`They suck @ life  :P   should have kept OS X, so much better then Windoze  :)01:03
bungleppc g3'01:04
bungle256 mem01:04
trey`bungle: cool  :)   still doesn't tell us if you have a burner though  :(01:04
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trey`ahh... yay... k... there is a special > burn cd I think... go get the ISO for PPC, and use that  :)01:05
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bungleIwoo I can watch dvds on it01:05
bunglehow exciting01:05
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trey`bungle: ;)01:05
bunglelmfao .. my kid stomped on the dvdplayer now it can't spin the dvd01:06
bungleso we are down to our ps201:06
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trey`bungle: thats not so bad... I used an Xbox as the household DVD for 18 months of college  :)01:06
bungletah I will b back once i stuff up :P01:06
bunglelol our xbox died01:07
bunglewe got given the ps2 as a swap for some ripped dvds01:07
cardadoranyone can tell me an antivirus for linux? ive got a shared folder in a windows network, and some virus files keep getting in.01:07
trey`Xbox's don't skip as much on scratched DVD's  :)01:07
bunglealthough pirating is illegal01:07
bungledont do it at home :P01:07
trey`cardador: apt-cache search anti virus...01:07
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trey`clamav is the most popular I think...01:08
thoreauputiccardador: clam-av , ntivir...01:08
cardadorthoreauputic: which one is the best?01:08
trey`cardador: most like clamav or amavis...01:08
thoreauputiccardador: I have no idea - I only run linux so I don't need them01:08
trey`clamav being the most popular like I said...01:09
thoreauputictrey`: yes sorry amavis01:09
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cardadortrey` and thoreauputic: thanks01:09
bunglenight night01:09
trey`bungle: night  :)01:09
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Gaarutowhat's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse" please ?01:13
mjrmultiverse is non-free stuff01:13
Gaarutocan i add "universe" and "multiverse" in the sources.list without problem ?01:14
TreenaksGaaruto: universe packages are all "free", multiverse packages are not free (there may be specific terms for redistribution, for example)01:14
TreenaksGaaruto: yes, you can01:14
luluGaaruto: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ for more info...01:15
Gaarutook i read this01:15
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lil_anthonyyou know i don't think its either one of the cards really giving the problem ithink my dhcpclient is jacked. cause i just tried the otehr card and it does the same thing01:21
zbroxcan anybody here tell me where to get the ubuntu specific gettext .po files, and how to be added to the translators list? cause there's no answer from the translators maillist01:21
Treenakslil_anthony: did you reboot after adding the module name to /etc/modules ?01:21
Treenakslil_anthony: then maybe eth0 and eth1 got reversed01:22
lil_anthonyall i see is eth001:22
lil_anthonywhen i look in networking01:22
Treenakslil_anthony: try 'ifconfig -a'01:22
Treenakslil_anthony: on the command line01:23
Treenakslil_anthony: it should show you more01:23
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stuNNedKamion, so rename the files with something like sed?01:23
Treenakslil_anthony: if it has 'eth1', try adding a connection for eth1 in the network tool01:23
lil_anthonyyep its only shoing eth001:23
lil_anthonyand the one i assigned is eth101:23
lil_anthonybut the ifconfig-a shows both01:23
Treenakslil_anthony: ok.. but you can say 'Add new connection' in the network tool01:24
Treenakslil_anthony: and then select eth1 -- I'm sure of that01:24
lil_anthonyok let me try01:24
lil_anthonynetwork settings gui is froze so i guess its trying01:26
Treenakslil_anthony: uh.. it froze?01:26
Treenakslil_anthony: what did you click?01:26
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lil_anthonyi clicked add01:27
lil_anthonythen i put in the ip like you stated earlier01:27
lil_anthonyand hit ok01:27
Treenakslil_anthony: you didn't select 'eth1' ?01:27
lil_anthonythats not an option01:27
lil_anthonybut it made eth101:27
Treenaksah ok01:27
lil_anthonyi see 2 listing now01:27
lil_anthonyeth0 and eth101:27
lil_anthonyi can't activate either01:28
Treenaksnow you can edit each one separately..01:28
Treenakslil_anthony: well, your cable might be broken.. or your DHCP server is down.. or you didn't enter a valid IP01:28
lil_anthonynegitive to all three01:28
lil_anthonycause i just tested it01:28
Treenaks(hm, Ubuntu needs a Gnome log file reader..)01:28
lil_anthonyit works fine01:28
Treenakslil_anthony: ok.. that's good then01:28
lil_anthonywindows loves me01:29
lil_anthonylinux hates me01:29
Treenakslil_anthony: software neither loves nor hates01:29
lil_anthonyfair enought it pisses me off01:29
Treenakslil_anthony: you just have to treat it differently :)01:29
lil_anthonyhows that :)01:29
lil_anthonyi think it all screwed up with kudzu01:30
lil_anthonyi think it screwed the driver or something01:30
lil_anthonyor the dhcpclient or something01:30
Treenakslil_anthony: kudzu is Red hat01:30
Treenakslil_anthony: you don't need it in ubuntu01:30
lil_anthonyok i undrestand now01:30
lil_anthonybut i did install it01:30
Treenakslil_anthony: so yes, it might have broken stuff..01:30
lil_anthonyand ran it01:30
Treenakslil_anthony: didn't it warn you?01:31
lil_anthonyits even in the synaptic01:31
lil_anthonyso maybe i need the driver?01:31
Treenakslil_anthony: maybe it works better for some people, but those people generally know it01:31
Treenakslil_anthony: You just loaded the driver01:32
Treenakslil_anthony: (module)01:32
Treenakslil_anthony: using modprobe01:32
lil_anthonythought you said it might not be the right one01:32
lil_anthonyit just doesn't activate for some reason01:32
Treenakslil_anthony: did you remove kudzu again?01:33
lil_anthonyyeah i did a apt-get remove kudzu01:33
Treenakslil_anthony: ok01:33
Treenakslil_anthony: did you reboot after that?01:33
lil_anthonyof course01:34
lil_anthonyi have rebooted about 20 times now01:34
lil_anthonyi thnk i'm using windows :)01:34
Treenakslil_anthony: if ifconfig -a shows it, it works fine01:34
lil_anthonythen its the dhcpclient thats jacked01:34
Treenakslil_anthony: no. don't assume things if you don't know anything about it.01:34
Treenakslil_anthony: type 'dmesg' again01:35
stuNNedhow do i access mit's pgp server via commandline, i.e: to access pgp.com's one just ldap://certserver.pgp.com01:35
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Treenakslil_anthony: does it say "NETDEV WATCHDOG" stuff?01:35
lil_anthonylet me look01:35
lil_anthonydon't see the watchdogs at all01:36
Treenakslil_anthony: then your network cards work fine01:37
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Treenakslil_anthony: you should be able to configure if they use DHCP, etc. in the network configuration panel01:37
lil_anthonythat module you gave me01:38
lil_anthonyaccording to that output it shoudl be 3c59x01:38
Treenakslil_anthony: which output?01:39
lil_anthonythe output we just did the dmesg one01:39
lil_anthonyone is 3c5x9 for eith101:39
Treenakslil_anthony: can you please copy entire messages01:39
lil_anthonynot really01:39
lil_anthonyi can type it :(01:39
Treenakslil_anthony: type it here then01:39
lil_anthonyits long but hwere is what i'm refering to01:40
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lil_anthonyPCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 0000:00:07.201:40
lil_anthony3x59x: Donald Becker and others.  www.scyd.com/network/vortex.html 0000:00:10.0:  3com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100BaseTX at 0x1400. Vers LK1.1.1901:41
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Treenakslil_anthony: well, that driver gets loaded.. but that's not the ISA 0x220 card01:43
labanuxcould someone help me about what should I install so I can run PHP on Ubuntu?01:43
Treenakslil_anthony: enable the 'universe' repository01:43
labanuxi've install thttpd and apache01:43
lil_anthonyits enabled but how am i gonna download if i have no connection?01:43
Treenakslil_anthony: thttpd is not necessary.. just install libapache2-mod-php4 or something01:43
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labanuxi've install thttpd and apache, but i still can't run a PHP script in mys Ubunt...............01:44
flevourhi all01:44
labanuxwhat should we install actually? thttpd or apache?01:45
labanuxand what's the differenet?01:45
flevourdoes anybody know how to automatically set a translucency value for all windows that get opened in xorg?01:45
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ermolabanux, the feature set?01:47
ermolabanux, thttpd is a simple daemon. Apache is modular and can thus be whatever you want it to be?01:47
ermolabanux, thttpd might server static content faster than apache, though.01:48
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Treenakslil_anthony: install the 'libapache2-mod-php4' package, and apache2, and remoev thttpd and apache01:48
mjr...not that it matters much how fast static content is serverd, as it's bound to be good enough in most cases anyway01:48
ermomjr, so true.01:48
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Kanois xcompmgr and transset in ubuntu?01:51
Tsjoklathoary has it doesn't it01:51
TreenaksTsjoklat: you need some of daniels' magic01:51
TsjoklatTreenaks: daniel's magic?01:52
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TreenaksTsjoklat: daniels's magic01:52
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trey`Kano: no, neither are in Hoary yet  :(01:52
TsjoklatTreenaks: daniel's magic....01:52
Tsjoklattrey: hey01:53
Kanotrey`: i am just testing a fresh compiled x.org on standard debian sid01:53
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trey`Tsjoklat: sup  8)01:53
Kanofrom ubuntu sources01:53
Kanoand want to try the special tools for it01:53
Tsjoklattrey: trying to figure out what daniel's magic is... I hope it is some sort of stiff drink01:53
trey`Kano: fun... add this to xorg.conf:01:54
trey`Section "Extensions"01:54
trey`Option "Composite" "Enabled"01:54
DespairI'm getting `ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619` at the end of `make bzImage` on various kernels. It seems to make a bzImage anyways, but they wont boot. Anyone hit anything similar on ubuntu amd64?01:54
Kanotrey`: i know that extension,but i need the tools...01:54
wood1Can anyone help me get my Internal Winmodem to work in Ubuntu ?01:54
Tsjoklatisn't there a special wiki page for that? that winmodem?01:55
Kanowood1: if it is intel you need sl-modem drivers01:55
trey`wood1: http://www.linmodems.org/01:55
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wood1Well It is a HSF Chipset WinModem01:55
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Kanowood1: www.linuxant.com01:57
stuNNedwood1, you might need to compile piix into the kernel not as a module, linuxant recommended, haven't tried yet01:57
wood1No not yet, stuNNed01:58
wood1I am just going to the www.linmodems.org page01:58
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labanuxermo: i'm sorry i still can't understand..........02:06
labanuxermo: so i should choose one of them, apache or thttpd02:07
labanuxermo: but i don't need to install both..??02:07
labanuxermo: and what's the different?02:07
ermolabanux, yes. And choose apache. unless you only need to run static html pages or cgi-programs.02:07
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mjralso, I'd say that if you don't know better, install apache.02:08
ermolabanux, take a look at http://httpd.apache.org/02:08
ermolabanux, it'll tell you what you need to know.02:09
ermolabanux, then, check http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/02:10
labanuxermo: ok whait a minute .., i'll read it first..02:10
ermolabanux, btw, why didn't you google for apache and/or thttpd yourself before asking?02:11
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labanuxermo: cause, before this i've use Fedora 2, and there's httpd on Fedora, and it can run PHP02:12
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ermolabanux, I see...02:12
labanuxermo: but when i'm looking for httpd on packages.debian.org i can't find it02:12
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ermolabanux, oh. That's probably because httpd _is_ apache. But that isn't too obvious.02:13
fissyhi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)02:13
ermolabanux, so, you were unsure whether 'httpd' mean 'thttpd' or apache? Ok. Well, it is apache.02:13
ermolabanux, hope that clears it up.02:14
mariomaybe somebody have Flumotion packages?02:15
carlosmario: jdub was working on it02:16
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revlobExcuse me, is there a list anywhere of lines I should put in my sources.list?02:17
mariocarlos, thanks, then I will wait :)02:17
labanuxermo : that's make me a little confused02:17
mojo_I saw a error msg when installing gnome-applet-data, something about 'cant find the scheme '<special character>' .."02:17
labanuxermo: i've apt-get install apache, but then i do apt-get install apache02:19
labanuxermo: but when i put my web file on /var/www (and it uses PHP).., they can't run02:19
labanuxmeanwhile i've run thttpd and mysql02:20
ermolabanux, you need to install the php4 module02:20
labanuxermo: so from your explanation , is it mean that if we install thttpd it means we install apache to?02:20
revlobI'm try to upgrade from a pre-release version of Ubuntu to whatever is freshest, and I'm not sure how to do it02:20
ermolabanux, no, I wouldn't think so02:21
labanuxermo: so we just need to install one of them?02:21
ermolabanux, yes. Apache. And the proper php4 modules.02:22
ermolabanux, I would suspect that there are plenty of tutorials and howto's on how to set it up. Have you tried php.net, for instance?02:22
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ermolabanux, or httpd.apache.org ?02:23
labanuxermo: mm.., I haven't yet actually02:23
labanuxermo: cause when I use Fedora it wasn't a problem, everything is has been set up..  :)02:24
ermolabanux, I see...02:25
ermolabanux, may i /query?02:26
georgiaanyone cre to hazard a guess as to why i cant get an hfsplus partition to mount read write? osx sees it as ok, and i've run fsck under that several times, but i cant get any linux tool to check the partition02:27
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labanuxermo; query? yeah...02:29
mojo_excuse me02:29
georgiaruning mount with the toptions "-o remount,rw" makes no difference, it's still read only02:29
mojo_I need some help on installing Java02:29
mojo_are there any built Debian package for j2sdk 1.5?/02:30
Kamiongeorgia: you are mounting -t hfsplus, aren't you? trying to autodetect will probably give you hfs02:30
labanuxmojo_: you can use apt-get install freejava-sdk02:30
Treenaksmojo_: yes02:30
Treenaksmojo_: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html02:30
georgiaKamion: yep02:31
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mojo_Treenaks: is it offcial build from Debian?02:31
labanuxmojo_: sorry , I mean apt-get install free-java-sdk02:31
Treenaksmojo_: no, not official.02:32
labanuxmojo_ : it works on my Ubuntu02:32
Treenaksmos|ghost: but it works fine02:32
Treenaksbut he's gone already02:32
Treenakssorry, I meant mojo02:32
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georgiai've been trying everythign i can think of for several hours now, nothing i do will amke it read write02:32
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georgiathe error that shows up in the logs is "HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  leaving read-only."02:34
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knewtnot that i'm any rush or anything, just curious, but is there an idea of at what point hoary will be stable enough to upgrade to? 1 month before release, less, more?02:43
Despair"PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0"02:43
Kamiondepends on your level of confidence/competence02:43
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knewtstarted using warty at the very end of september, and didn't have any noticeable issues, so i guess 1/1.5 months before release would be reasonable02:46
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Tsjoklatsit still mojo_02:50
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Tsjoklatgeorgia.. did you try the wiki pages? the forum?02:59
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georgiaTsjoklat: not tried the forum or the wiki, but a week and a half worth of various google searches hasnt shown up anything useful03:00
TsjoklatI would give the wike a go georgia... and if you really can't find an answer... post something on the forum... there is bout to be somebody that can help03:01
Tsjoklatyou may be asking your question in here at the wrong time (time zones and what not)03:01
Tsjoklatand the person that might be able to help you is not here03:01
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Kamionthe mailing lists would be a better bet than the forums; more developers read the lists03:03
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bagpussthanks for the (very nice) CDs :)03:05
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Tsjoklathey mercurus03:08
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mojo_Tjsoklat: hi man03:15
TreenaksTsjoklat: you're a man now? :P03:16
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zenwhenhello ubuntites03:17
Tsjoklatmojo_ always insist on calling me man Treenaks03:17
Tsjoklateven though he knows I am not one of those03:17
Tsjoklathey zenwhen03:17
zenwhenEverybody ok this morning?03:18
kensaievrything A O K03:18
Gaarutomorning ?03:18
Gaarutopm :)03:19
kensaiis 10 30 am here03:19
Gaaruto3 pm :)03:19
zenwhenwell its always morning somwhere, sweetcheeks.03:19
Tsjoklat06.00 here03:19
ermo25.61 here03:19
Gaarutowhere do you come from ?03:19
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Gaarutolol ermo03:19
zenwhenKentucky, USA03:19
GaarutoParis, France03:20
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TsjoklatI hope you find help georgia03:20
Tsjoklatand sorry for not being able to help03:20
Tsjoklatbtw.. zenwhen do you know anything about partitions?03:20
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zenwhenYeah, what was the issue?03:21
Tsjoklatkensai you mean.. you tell you are from PR and then hide03:21
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kensaiPuerto Rico is gentoo territory03:22
ermoI'm from ... slightly off the beaten path and then left.03:22
kensaibut I have Ubuntu now03:22
Tsjoklatgeorgia is having problems with her hfs partition03:22
kensaiermo, I've visited there03:22
fissyhi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)03:23
zenwhenHFS? I know about partitions, but I havent touched a Mac since high school.03:23
Tsjoklatwhich was only two weeks ago zenwhen :P03:23
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zenwhen:P try two years03:23
Tsjoklatwell whatever!03:24
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Ngfissy: does it work if you run "sftp other.ubuntu.machine" in a terminal?03:25
TeRanEXis it possible to use the Windows Bootmanager when i instal ubuntu on a computer with already Win XP?03:25
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zenwhenTeRanEX, yes03:25
wood1How do I improve the speed of my PC, my system is very slow03:25
zenwhenIts a bit complicated however.03:25
TeRanEXand how can i do it?03:25
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TeRanEXdo i have to install ubuntu with grub in /boot and then add a line in boot.ini of windows?03:26
zenwhenIt would involve installing grub, using a tool to copy your MBR, and reinstalling windows bootloader and having it load that MBR image.03:26
georgiaum, should i be replying to the mail from maksim(at)ksenjak.com? i sent a message to the list then got a message saying my message requires verification, but that address doesnt resemble the mailing list address03:26
ermowood1, you'll need to elaborate a bit. What hardware do you have?03:26
=== Pitr fanks for the ubuntu cd's
TeRanEXso it is easier to install grub to my MBR?03:27
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wood1Well my PC has a Pentium II 350 MHz processor with 192 MB of Memory03:27
kensaiwood1, using xfce should speed it a lot03:27
zenwheneasier, yes03:27
TeRanEXthx :)03:27
TeRanEXoh another little question: i once installed ubuntu 4.10 pre (before 19 octobre)03:27
PitrUbuntu's livecd doesn't boot on my SATA RAID machine. Does it access the disk, and therefor crash shortly after grub ?03:27
TeRanEXin the partition manager i could set partitions to be 'active'03:28
TeRanEXwhat does that mean?03:28
wood1Well what I really don't understand is that Windows XP which is also installed on my System is much much faster than Ubuntu03:28
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kensaiXP pretends to be faster03:28
ermowood1, ahem. You perceive XP to be faster. Well. What graphics adapter do you have?03:28
zenwhenwood1, oif your Processor is over 1Ghz, XP is not faster then Ubuntu.03:29
ermowood1, we might be able to tweak your settings a bit.03:29
ermowood1, don't expect miracles though. Your system more than 5 years old.03:29
wood1Well It is Nvidia TNT 2 with 32 MB of memory03:29
ermo*is more03:29
zenwhenLinux's superior memory management makes that nearly impossible unless you have mde a configuration error.03:29
kensaiwood1, you have the nvidia drivers installed?03:30
tiagohi there, to disable load of a script in init.d I just change the permission?03:30
tiagolike chmod -x apache2 for instance?03:31
Ngtiago: that would work, but it's not how it is normally done03:31
wood1Well I don't have the idea about the Nvidia drivers03:31
TeRanEXdoes anybody know what's the use of setting a partition to be 'active' in the installer?03:31
tiagoNg, so how can do?03:31
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ermowood1, do you have another graphics adapter handy, say, a radeon 7xxx or <9250 ?03:32
Ngtiago: I'm not at my ubuntu machine right now so I can't check to see if there's something in the System Settings menu (I think there might be a Services tool in there). Failing that, you can use rcconf in a terminal to select which things you want03:32
ermokensai, will the nvidia binary drivers work well with tnt2s ?03:32
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kensaiermo, they should03:33
pdamocI have a python script that is supposed to start using python... however is I start the script from Nautilus... nothing happens03:33
tiagoNg, np thx03:33
ermowood1, basically your video is probably not accelerated (very much, if any)03:33
ermowood1, that would account for the 'slowness'03:33
pdamocif I open a terminal and type "python myscript.py" it works as espected03:33
pdamocwhat gives?03:33
tiagoAnybody knows if we have a tool for select the scripts on startup?03:33
Ngtiago: what gets started/stopped is controlled by the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d03:33
wood1Well how do I enable the Nvidia graphics drivers for faster speed ?03:33
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mojo_I need some help here03:34
Tsjoklatmojo_ ppl were helping you man and you buggered off before reading it03:34
mojo_anyone know how to make Cedega on Ubuntu over this same prob as http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16203:34
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PitrAny way I can contribute to ubuntu by filing a bugreport for ubuntu on my system? :) only failsafe seems to boot03:34
wood1Well forgive me for saying this, but Windows 9x/NT/2000 runs faster than Ubuntu Linux on "Older PCs)03:35
Treenakswood1: no, it seems to run faster, slight difference :)03:35
NgPitr: bugzilla.ubuntu.com03:35
PitrNg, are there tools to figure out what went wrong ?03:35
kensaiyep tnt2 is supported by the linux nvidia driver03:35
NgPitr: ah, probably not to any degree of accuracy. if you know a bit of linux and can poke around it would be useful I imagine03:36
kensaiwood1, install nvidia drivers that should do it03:36
kensaibonobo a little help with nvidia drivers?03:36
Ngwood1: the gnome desktop is a bit chunky for a system like yours :/03:36
PitrNg, yeah, but my ubuntu knowledge is very limited. Apart from "It freezes at the brown/orange/yellow ubuntu screen with a grey bar below", my bugreport doesn't contain much more ;)03:36
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kensaiwood1, xfce will do miracles to your system03:37
ermowood1, that's perfectly ok to say, but it's not entirely correct. The gui of windows xp employs some tricks that speed drawing substantially. The X Window System is built differently. It can be made to work almost as smoothly, afaik.03:37
PitrNg, could SATA be the problem ?03:37
Ngermo: you're never going to get gnome 2.x to run well on a 350mhz P2 with 192mb of ram03:37
kensaiwood1, thats why I say windows pretends to be fsater03:37
ermoNg, true.03:37
Ngermo: to claim that he's wrong because windows is cheating is also highly irrelevant imo ;)03:37
PitrNg, or the 64bittyness of the processor ?03:38
NgPitr: it sounds like it's crashing as X/gdm starts, I doubt that'd be SAATA. Does it display a load of booting text first?03:38
ermoNg, I'm saying that his statement applies to his windowing experience. It's not true when we look at different parts of the system.03:38
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ermoNg, but the gui is what he sees. And *that* is slower. But it can probably become better than it is now.,03:39
PitrNh, eh, no, before that. about 4-5 seconds after grub decides to load the default image :)03:39
NgPitr: oh. so you don't see the kernel/system boot at all really? that could be sata ;)03:39
NgPitr: does it print any kind of error?03:40
Pitrbut why? it's a diskless livecd .. :)03:40
Pitrnope, just freezes03:40
TreenaksPitr: can you try booting the rescue image?03:40
Pitrfailsafe does work, dmesg contains the SATA info03:40
ermowood1, chances are your system (when using gnome) will never feel as responsive as when you run windows xp.03:40
Pitrtreeenaks, failsafe eq rescue?03:40
NgPitr: ok, well if it's a livecd then that makes SATA unlikely again. more information ;)03:40
NgI'm not sure what enabling failsafe on the CD does, so I'll be quiet ;)03:40
TreenaksPitr: is it a live CD or an installer CD or an installed system you're trying to boot for the first time?03:40
DaRk^LorDGDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt703:40
Pitrfailsafe does a lot of 'no<this>' and 'no<that>'03:41
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PitrTreenaks: livecd on an installed system03:41
Pitr(it has a SATA RAID)03:41
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ermowood1, it can be improved from what it is now by a) enabling the nvidia drivers (i haven't used them myself, so I can't help you there) and b) experimenting with kernel settings.03:41
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Coyhey, anyone have idea what's pnp bios error means?03:41
jimmingsplease, need help: i have logitech webcam pro 4000, with micro built in, i get video but I can't get sound03:41
Coynon-standard bios?03:42
kensaiwood1, give the a option a go first and tell us what happens03:42
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wood1Ok thanks alot to all for the advice03:44
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DarklinGreetings. I have a quesiton about the LiveCD version of Ubuntu. What is the preset password to switch to Root?03:45
gpartfor me the installation works quite well, but during the first boot after the installation, it hangs on "/sbin/init : 426 cannot open dev/console : No such file - Kernel panic : attempted to kill init !" Anybody solved this?03:45
TreenaksDarklin: your own password.03:45
SimiraDarklin: same as your first user, I'd think03:46
TreenaksDarklin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo03:46
jimmingssomeone could help me03:46
Kamionsudo and use your own password, or can't you just type 'su'?03:46
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gpart(i tried to install is on an external usb hardisk)03:46
DarklinOk. That got it. Thank you, Kamion03:46
Kamiongpart: that indicates that the initrd can't find your root filesystem, which probably means that it just doesn't understand how to deal with USB disks03:47
Kamiongpart: feel free to file the details in a bug report against initrd-tools03:47
gpartKamion: hmm.. but the installation itself went quite well03:47
Kamiongpart: yeah, but initrd-tools is a law unto itself independent of the installation03:47
gpartso this issue is kind of already 'known'03:48
DaRk^LorDGDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 > can someone tell me how to solve this problem?03:48
gpartit's currently not possible to get it run from a usb-device?03:48
fabbioneDaRk^LorD: hoary or warty?03:49
fabbioneapt-get install xserver-xfree8603:49
Coynot anyone who knows about pnp bios error?03:50
fabbioneapt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree8603:50
DaRk^LorDhmm i will try03:50
SeveasCoy, you mean 'PnPbios: Unable to get node info. Aborting.03:50
CoySeveas, yes...ubuntu boot still but I only wonder what that error is?03:51
SeveasHarmless error, it is merely a diagnostic message03:51
Coydamn I have bad English03:51
TreenaksCoy: not as bad as some ;)03:52
SeveasI have that exact same error on boot :)03:52
CoyThanks! Seveas is there anyway to get that the kernel won't prompt about?03:52
Seveasdon't know, never cared about it :o)03:52
SimiraAmaya here?03:52
mjg59Coy: It means that your BIOS claims to have pnpbios support, but doesn't actually seem to03:53
DaRk^LorDfabbione , in the instalation, i wasnt asked for giving a root password, how do i know what that pass is?03:53
CoyI think something like PnPbios=no03:53
Coymjg59,ok =) This is ami bios with newest update...asus motherboard from HP...oem I think03:54
DracosXDaRk^LorD: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root03:54
DaRk^LorDthx DracosX03:54
DracosXno problem :P03:54
wood1Well you see, there are about about 3 dozen PCs in our Office which have processors in the range of 133 MHz to 450 MHz. Then it is almost impossible to run Ubuntu on them03:55
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ermowood1, well, that depends somewhat.03:56
ermowood1, if you expect them to be full-fledged clients, then, regrettably, probably yes03:56
ermowood1, if, however, you were to buy one modern machine you could use linux terminal server project.03:56
ermowood1, using the slowest pcs as thin clients03:57
ermowood1, the 450 MHz one could probably be made to run ok (i'm on a p3@550 w/256 MB RAM)03:57
ermowood1, sure, it won't be a screamer by any means. But it's doable.03:58
Coywhat is the best distribution? :)03:59
wood1Well we use the Terminal Services of Windows 2000 Server. Well there are very high end PCs in our Office but what I wanted was to run Linux on the slower PCs of my department03:59
gencoy: that goes in ubuntu-offtopic03:59
Coygen, i was just joking =)04:00
genyou'd find a nice bias'd view anyhow coy :)04:00
wood1And after installing Ubuntu on 3 of my Pentium II machines, I was a little disappointed by the speed.04:00
ermowood1, I can well understand that.04:01
Ngwood1: Ubuntu simply isn't targetted at machines that old04:01
Ngwood1: use a more basic distro, frankly.04:01
gendont run gnome on them wood104:01
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Coytry fluxbox...(or something similar)04:01
kensaiwood1, please apt-get install xfce04:01
wood1Well is there any way to stop any unwanted services which I can remove safely from Ubuntu Linux so that it frees up memory ?04:01
genblackbox, etc04:01
genxfce is also nice04:02
kensaiservices won't do anything04:02
kensaijust install xfce04:02
kensaiand use it as main window manager04:02
wood1Ok I wll install xfce now04:02
ermowood1, I assume you want a 'familiar' environment, where things 'just work'?04:03
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wood1By the way, if I use xfce, will opening a OpenOffice document be faster ?04:03
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genwood1, no04:04
kensaiwood1, way faster04:04
kensaiI open everything on xfce faster04:04
genwhat hardware?04:04
kensaiit uses less memory than gnome04:04
genyea, quite a bit04:04
Coyi've never tryied xfce04:04
kensaiathlon xp 2000+ LOL04:04
gengnome shouldnt be a problem either, kensai04:05
CoyI have athlon xp 2600+04:05
genim running a 1600+ on here04:05
Coywell I love gnome04:05
NgI like that04:06
Nga "no" and a "way faster" on consecutive lines ;)04:06
wood1Well I am also thinking of getting a New PC with a 2.2 GHz Celeron processor. Will the Celeron processor slow things down04:06
Ngyou guys are talking such smack ;)04:06
Ngyou can't answer a question like that :)04:06
DaRk^LorDwhen i write "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" , it appears "The following packages have unmet dependencies (...) Unmed dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install'04:06
ermowood1, compared to a 450 MHz pII? Of course not.04:06
Ngwood1: a 2.2ghz celeron would be fine04:06
Ngeasily fine04:06
gencelerons are a joke :)04:07
Coyit comes year now since I last use windows..04:07
mercurusDaRk^LorD, run sudo apt-get -f install04:07
Nggen: err, no04:07
Coynever ever again04:07
genNg, arg ahoy04:07
wood1How much difference is the speed between a Pentium 2.4 GHz and a Celeron 2.4 GHz processor ?04:07
Nggen: also no :)04:07
mercuruswood1, it isn't speed so much as cache04:07
Ngwood1: that depends what kind of applications you run04:07
Ngwood1: the main difference is the P4 has more L2 cache, which will affect things like paint programs, 3D programs more than it will OpenOffice04:07
ermowood1, anything 700+MHz with 256+ mb and videocards with 16+mb of onboard ram will run fine, I'd think04:07
Ngbecause OO is so huge it easily blats a cache of any size04:07
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DaRk^LorDit appears: Error processing /emacs21-common(...) corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Sucess04:08
wood1Well I have to run Web base applications and OpenOffice projects and use Email applications04:08
Coywhen next ubuntu will be released?04:09
genshould be april, coy04:09
wood1Is the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium only in the Cache Memory of the Processor ?04:10
ermowood1, more likely than not, yes. But the marketing difference is an entirely different matter.04:11
ermowood1, also the celerons FSB < p4 FSB in most cases04:12
Coystill about that Pnp error...why other distros won't prompt about it? Like Fedora or Mandrake...04:12
ermowood1, but for office workloads, that's not an issue anyway.04:12
Coyconfiguration is different?04:12
gencoy, prompt you about what04:12
Coygen, that PnPbios error during startup04:13
ermowood1, you've established that a p2 350 w/192 mb ram doesn't live up to your expectations. Which is understandable given the hardware ubuntu targets.04:13
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mojo_sif siff04:16
mojo_can someone help me out on Cedega?04:16
mojo_I still get error = 21 issue with Ubuntu Hoary04:16
mojo_last time I didnt get such thing04:16
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Ngthat's weird, ubuntu doesn't have prelinking or exec shield, so cedega should work04:17
mojo_I know04:17
mojo_I look through the /usr/lib04:17
mojo_I found lots of broken links lib04:18
mojo_I fixed all of them04:18
Ngare you on an amd64 machine by any chance?04:18
Ngdoh ;)04:18
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genNg, dough04:18
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mojo_lastime I run well on Warty04:18
NgI installed cedega last night in a hoary 32bit chroot on my amd64 hoary machine and it played counterstrike for many many hours ;)04:19
gencounterstrike lol04:19
Ngsecond best game ever!04:19
Ngapart from that ;)04:19
mojo_something wrong with my Ubuntu system04:19
labanuxmojo_, explain it04:19
Ngmojo_: I forget how, but you might want to enable some cedega debugging, see if there are any helpful errors that suggest where the problem is04:20
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mojo_labanux: when I run the game04:20
labanuxmojo_. what game?04:20
mojo_labanux: I have an error file not found error = 21, you can search on net about this issue04:20
mojo_labanux: any game04:21
labanuxmojo_,file not found? are you sure yo've install it correrctly?04:21
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mojo_labanux: yes04:22
mojo_labanux: deb version04:22
kent_Am I wrong, or does the message on "shipit.ubuntulinux.org" mean that it does not cost anything to order a cd from Ubuntu?04:23
wood1By the way, Everyone online, what hardware features do you have in your PCs ?04:23
wood1I mean the speed of the Processor ?04:23
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Ngwood1: ~2ghz04:24
labanuxkent: yeah...04:24
Ngwood1: lots of RAM is more important though than a super high clock speed04:24
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labanuxkent: but i've order it sicne one month ago, but i still don't get itu right now04:25
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labanuxkent: then i download it myself.. :)04:25
wood1So how much of RAM is right for a now and 2 years from now ?04:26
kent_labanux, i read on the mailinglist that people have been getting their CDs now.  But i dont understand,  doesn't it cost a lot of monney? Cant the monney go to other things, like bountys for projects etc?04:26
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kent_wood1, I have 512 mb of ram and a Amd XP 2x00 something CPU. I have no problem at all.  Less memory should not be used though..04:27
Ngwood1: I'd say get 512MB04:27
wood1Well I will go for 1 GB of RAM then04:28
Ngeven better :)04:28
wood1Well I think investing more in RAM is better than investing between a Pentium and a Celeron04:28
Ngdefinitely for openoffice type stufff04:29
stegrohi (i am just listening)04:29
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kent_wood1 My experience is that at the time when i choose between diffrent CPUs, it seems like a big deal. But after a year or two.. then the difference that people see between those CPUs is minimal, the amount of ram though makes a big diffrent.04:30
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wood1Well Kent, thanks for your advice04:31
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wintiedoes Ubuntu have amsn, real and xchat?04:32
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wintieand if sum1 asks can i simply say am using Debian04:33
wintieis it a stable distro?04:33
wintiehow popular is it?04:33
wintiecan i backup my suse prior to install it?04:33
labanuxkent: i thing those project would be get fund too...04:33
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sect2khi, anyone have any issues with GRUB and SATA drives?04:35
wood1I don't see the xfce Window Manager in my Login Screen !!!04:35
kent_hmm, couldn't the topic be read as if you want xorg, then its as easy as install Hoary? Well, its works like that, but you also could get a non-working system. Why not link to a page explainging that instead?04:35
kent_wood1, have you installed xfce?04:35
wood1I have installed it already04:36
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labanuxanyone can know how to enable mysql support on apache server in Ubuntu?04:36
HcEthere is a php-mysql package04:37
wood1I don't understand why xfce is not displayed in the Sessions menu ?04:37
wintielabanux: no04:37
HcEdon't remember the name correct, I'm a postgreSQL guy04:37
wintieHcE: no we don't04:37
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sect2klabanux: depends on what kind of mysql support are you looking for04:37
wintiesect2k: no we don't04:38
labanuxi've install apache2 in my Ubuntu, and the PHP runs well04:38
wintielabanux: who cares04:38
sect2klabanux: you mean mysql support in PHP?04:38
dataw0lfI suggest going with Apache < 2 if you're not familiar with web server operation.04:38
labanuxsect2k: yeah.., that's right04:39
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dataw0lfespecially if you're looking to do indepth coding in PHP, PHP is still having problems with some aspects of multithreading.04:39
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sect2klabanux: enable universe, install php4-mysql04:39
labanuxsect2k: oh.., ok wait a minute04:40
wood1Anybody, please help get my xcfe Window Manager up and running ?04:41
sect2khas anyone had any problems (GRUB Hard Disk error) when installing ubuntu04:41
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sect2kand no, it's not dual boot related04:41
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wood1I have already installed xfce but I can't use it04:42
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stegro@sect2k: me (couldn't install grub on floppy)04:42
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labanuxsect2k : ohh yeaah....., it's work..04:43
Gwildor_wood1, why cant you use it?04:44
stegro(but I made my own floppy - doesn't look nice but runs)04:44
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wood1Because xfce is not shown in my Session menu04:45
Gwildor_wood1, check synaptic to be sure it is installed?