[12:01] <kensai> anyone having prioblem In hoary the latest hoary update via apt?
[12:01] <pixelmonkey_> that was silly
[12:01] <kensai> I'm getting: No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[12:01] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey: heheh - the main thing I notice is the author's inability to spell "grammar"
[12:01] <ogra> kensai: topic
[12:01] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, yea?
[12:02] <kensai> ogra, thanks
[12:02] <ogra> :)
[12:02] <kensai> ogra, I never read topics damn I need to read it everyday now
[12:02] <ogra> kensai: true for hoary and this room :)
[12:02] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, oh, that's just continuation of the word "programmer" ;-)
[12:03] <will_> anyone know why my lp driver is loaded, but no devices are found?
[12:03] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey. haha - yeah I just saw that, sorry :)
[12:03] <pixelmonkey_> hey random other ubuntu question... my environment has its $LANGUAGE set as en_gb (this must have been a default?)  How do I change it
[12:04] <kensai> ogra, but untill they release a new sed then I can't apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:04] <ogra> kensai: wait some hours....
[12:04] <ogra> kensai: and watch the topic ;)
[12:05] <kensai> ogra, OK, no probklem, this will be fixed with a new sed in apt repositories?
[12:05] <will_> kensai: i fexed the sed problem
[12:05] <will_> fixed even
[12:05] <kensai> will_, ?
[12:05] <ogra> kensai: yep
[12:05] <will_> kensai:ya
[12:06] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey, that's not a bug, that's a feature ;-)
[12:06] <kensai> ogra, thanks I'll see topics from now on ;)
[12:06] <ogra> hehe
[12:06] <ogra> kensai: the mailing list is also a good pool of information....
[12:06] <kensai> ogra, thanks
[12:07] <will_> anyone know about parports?
[12:07] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, Your british I take it ;-)
[12:08] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey, no Austarlian, actually - but I use en_GB
[12:08] <ogra> pixelmonkey_: not exactly.... he is a bit more south,.....
[12:08] <thoreauputic> ogra: and I'm definitely not British :)
[12:08] <ogra> hehe
[12:08] <will_> australian!
[12:09] <thoreauputic> typo
[12:09] <pixelmonkey_> so does anyone know how I can change the LANGUAGE? ;-)
[12:09] <q2> How can I enable it to not start X automatically at boo?
[12:09] <q2> boot?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:09] <pixelmonkey_> thoreauputic, yep, did that, but it didn't change my environmental variable
[12:10] <thoreauputic> :(
[12:10] <q2> How do I make it so X wont start automatically?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey_: maybe you can change it in /etc/profile
[12:12] <choulth> meet q2
[12:12] <Zugwrack> ogra: Question I have been unable to resolve...I upgraded my kernel to smp...now I get an error about LVM? Where would I look (in /etc?) to edit the script that is calling for this to start at boot?
[12:13] <pixelmonkey_> oh I found it... /etc/environment
[12:13] <faux> quit
[12:13] <ogra> Zugwrack: /etc/rccS.d/S26lvm
[12:13] <ogra> -c
[12:14] <ogra> Zugwrack: remove the link.... /etc/rcS.d/S26lvm
[12:14] <thoreauputic> pixelmonkey_: aha - quite right - I'll have to remember that
[12:14] <Zugwrack> ogra: K thanks
[12:15] <ogra> Zugwrack: as long as you dont use lvm indeed :)
[12:17] <Zugwrack> ogra: That would indeed be the case...
[12:17] <ogra> ;)
[12:19] <thoreauputic> something needs to be done about these peers - thay keep resetting connections!
[12:20] <ogra> thoreauputic lol
[12:20] <ogra> thoreauputic want to put them on a chain in the channel ?
[12:21] <thoreauputic> ;)
[12:24] <Telep> right, I'm back to being Warty
[12:24] <wfx> are the any tools ti build/configure gdm themes (positions of images etc)?
[12:24] <Telep> Warthogs are more cool anyway
[12:25] <Kujila> Hello there, nice distro you got here, love Gnome 2.8, but can someone give me a bit o' technical help? :)
[12:26] <Telep> funny thing though, after installing from the shipped cd, Gnome wouldn't boot up because the permissions in my home directory were screwed up (ie. root)
[12:26] <wfx> ogra, its time... grch grch :)
[12:26] <Telep> this has not happened before
[12:26] <choulth> bring it on Kujila
[12:26] <ogra> wfx: :)
[12:26] <wfx> by all
[12:26] <ogra> wfx: bye
[12:26] <Kujila> Ok...well... the default Gnome 2.8 install came with no Desktop icons, and simply put, I just want to put thee on :)
[12:27] <wfx> ogra, take a look on the "net" output of the bot ;)
[12:27] <scopecrp> anyone else having a problem with updating (hoary sources) sed tonight?
[12:27] <choulth> Kujila, right click and insert some  or drag and drop
[12:27] <thoreauputic> scopecrp: yes - see the channel topic
[12:27] <aitrus> scopecrp: read the topic
[12:27] <ogra> wfx: WOW
[12:27] <Kujila> Well, I mean, the default "Trashbin" , "Computer" , etc
[12:28] <choulth> Kujila, trashbin is on the lower right
[12:28] <wfx> ogra, yes wow
[12:28] <icecrash> moin
[12:28] <scopecrp> aha, thanks
[12:28] <Kujila> Well then, I've customized GNOME to my liking, and removed that toolbar.  I can probably get it back, but is there a way to slap it onto the Desktop instead? :)
[12:28] <icecrash> anyone that has the same problems with pbuilder?
[12:29] <ogra> Kujila: you can do this in the configuration editor (in the applications menu -> system tools)
[12:29] <choulth> Kujila, mpf... :)
[12:29] <icecrash> Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2_i386.deb) ...
[12:29] <icecrash> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 123: /dev/null: Permission denied
[12:29] <wfx> ogra, but this is also bad i cant run it for a full month :/
[12:29] <scopecrp> anyone know if you can configure bitchx to display the topic for the active channel?
[12:29] <wfx> anyway good night (for all near my timezone ;-)
[12:29] <thoreauputic> scopecrp: just type /topic
[12:29] <icecrash> wfx: good night ;)
[12:29] <icecrash> +0200
[12:30] <stuNNed_> hi ubuntu's
[12:30] <ogra> wfx: 2MB ....
[12:30] <Kujila> Ok thanks all, I'll poke around in this configuration editor and see if I can get my icons back! :)
[12:30] <thoreauputic> scopecrp: or get a real client ( joke)
[12:31] <scopecrp> haha
[12:31] <ogra> Kujila: look in apps->nautilus->desktop
[12:31] <scopecrp> i know, i keep meaning to switch to win32/mirc
[12:31] <Kujila> Oh thanks ogra, awesome! :)
[12:31] <scopecrp> maybe some day ill figure windows out and make the switch
[12:31] <ogra> Kujila: :)
[12:31] <Kujila> I think I'll stick with Ubuntu and dump MDK 10
[12:32] <Kujila> Good shhtuffs
[12:32] <Kujila> Gnome 2.8 is too durn sexy ;)
[12:32] <scopecrp> i ditched my gentoo installations (and by extension the 3 weeks of setting it up right) for ubuntu
[12:32] <scopecrp> never looking back either
[12:33] <Kujila> lol
[12:33] <Kujila> I'm so sick of KDE, too...
[12:34] <thoreauputic> ubuntulog: "used by 90% of recovering Gentoo users "
[12:34] <thoreauputic> hmm
[12:34] <Telep> hehe, I'm a recovering Gentoo user, too :)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> that wa a tab complete weirdness
[12:35] <Kujila> Is Gentoo Debian based, too?  Never tried it before
[12:35] <Ycros> I made the switch last night frem gentoo.
[12:35] <Telep> Kujila: no, it's Gentoo-based :)
[12:35] <Kujila> lol
[12:35] <Kujila> ok
[12:35] <thoreauputic> Gentoo is crack-based </joke>
[12:36] <Zugwrack> I just used synaptic to install some packages...doesn't it automatically update the menu in Gnome?
[12:36] <Managu> Came from Debian here.  So far, it feels about the same, except some of the rougher corners seem smoother
[12:36] <Ycros> it has it's advantages and disadvantages
[12:36] <Ycros> Zugwrack, it does
[12:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> Zugwrack: always has for me
[12:36] <Telep> Kujila: the gentoo philosophy is that everything is installed from source and hence optimized for your system. Installing is very easy (like in debian), but very time-consuming.
[12:36] <Zugwrack> Hmmm...ok I installed XCdroast..don't see it
[12:36] <Kujila> Oh I see
[12:36] <ogra> Kujila: in gentoo you compile everything......its the distri for lonesome people that like to stare at compiler output for nights
[12:36] <Mestapheles> hi
[12:36] <Kujila> lol
[12:36] <Telep> and the benefits are questionable... depends on what you're doing I guess
[12:36] <Managu> zugwrack: some packages do, some don't
[12:37] <Kujila> I cross my fingers whenever I compile something and hope I have all the dependencies
[12:37] <Ycros> ogra, you don't have to, there are binary packages
[12:37] <ogra> Kujila: apt will care for you ;)
[12:37] <Kujila> lol
[12:37] <Zugwrack> Managu: so is there a script I can use to update the menus? How is this normall done in Gnome
[12:37] <ogra> Ycros: there are ?
[12:37] <Mestapheles> I'm trying to create a bootablecopy of the ppc iso.  I'm in XCDroast.  Do I make it sun bootable? or do I use the Torito for ppc arch?  Torito needs some file and that's where I just don't know.
[12:37] <Kujila> Ubuntu's apt-database seems small right now, though... Is there any way to plop some debian ones on ther so I can get my goodies like MPlayer?
[12:38] <ogra> bonobo: synaptic Kujila
[12:38] <bonobo> Kujila: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:38] <Managu> Zugwrack: Sorry, I don't know =(
[12:38] <ogra> bonobo: mplayer Kujila
[12:38] <bonobo> Kujila: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:38] <Ycros> ogra, it was never meant to be a source based distribution in the first place
[12:38] <Telep> Kujila: well dependencies are not a problem in Gentoo, the portage package management system takes care of that, but over-optimization can be a problem sometimes
[12:38] <ogra> Kujila: see the urls of the bonobo bot
[12:38] <Ycros> ogra, it just went that way because nobody had really made large progress in that area
[12:38] <Kujila> ok
[12:39] <Zugwrack> Mestapheles: Just copy your existing cd...
[12:39] <Kujila> Thanks much :)  Ubuntu is sweet
[12:39] <Mestapheles> but then it will not be bootable on the mac.  I'll need to go into openfirmware and direct it to boot loader
[12:40] <ogra> Kujila: if something doesnt work, come to ask here
[12:40] <Kujila> I shall :D  This is great stuff heh
[12:40] <Ycros> Mestapheles, uhh, you should just be able to copy it
[12:40] <thoreauputic> Mestapheles: if your original CD was bootable, a clone will be too
[12:40] <Kujila> I must go now, though.
[12:40] <Kujila> Maybe I'll be back ;)
[12:41] <Kujila> Cya
[12:41] <Kujila> Thanks again!
[12:41] <Mestapheles> k guys I'll try
[12:41] <Mestapheles> even copy with finder?
[12:41] <ogra> Ycros: sad....now its renown for the source stuff.....
[12:42] <Ycros> ogra, they are working on fixing that
[12:42] <Mestapheles> I'll do via term, I don't trust finder.  It doesn't copy invisible folders
[12:42] <Ycros> the binary side of portage isn't quite as good
[12:42] <Ycros> so they're working on improving it
[12:42] <ogra> Ycros: how ? did they hire a PR team ?
[12:42] <Ycros> implementation-wise
[12:42] <JStrike> Is there a HowTo for creating Ubuntu packages
[12:42] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[12:42] <Mestapheles> or ditto just to be on the safe side
[12:42] <Ycros> because everyone's been developing the source stuff.
[12:43] <ogra> Ycros: its hard to get a wrong reputation right in the end
[12:43] <Ycros> not really, they just need to develop the binary package handling more, create repositories, and make an announcement
[12:44] <Telep> Ycros: well there are hardly any mirrors for downloading binary stuff, for a start.
[12:44] <Ycros> Telep, my point exactly
[12:44] <Telep> yup
[12:44] <ogra> JStrike: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
[12:45] <guptan> Hi, how can I install Firefox 1.0(using installer) so that it completely replaces firefox provided by Ubuntu?
[12:45] <ogra> JStrike: there are shorter ones on www.debianplanet.org
[12:46] <JStrike> ogra : Isn't there a difference in creating debs for ubuntu and debian?
[12:47] <guptan> Hi, how can I install Firefox 1.0 (using installer provided in firefox site) so that it completely replaces firefox provided by Ubuntu?
[12:47] <ogra> JStrike: in the packaging they are the same....the dependencys are ubuntu on ubuntu....and debian on debian
[12:49] <Gwildor> jstrike, the packaging process is the same, a debian.deb is a debian.deb, and a ubuntu.deb is a ubuntu.deb
[12:49] <Gwildor> one day ill beat ogra
[12:49] <ogra> Gwildor: go for it :)
[12:50] <Gwildor> ogra, i try, you are just to quick
[12:50] <guptan> ogra, Gwildor you guys are great :)
[12:51] <ogra> Gwildor: just started learning python, i will be more inattentive in the next time :)
[12:51] <Gwildor> hmmm...
[12:52] <guptan> anybody to help me here?
[12:52] <ogra> guptan: the firefox installer will likely use different directorys.....
[12:53] <guptan> yeah i know, and every time I accidently click old firefox themes and extension become useless
[12:53] <guptan> sometime even live bookmarks, now its a big mess :|
[12:53] <ogra> guptan: just uninstall the ubuntu package
[12:54] <sean__> is there a way to install flash for firefox?
[12:54] <guptan> oh that seems to be a good idea
[12:54] <sean__> I cant find nothing about how to do it
[12:54] <ogra> bonobo: flash sean__
[12:54] <bonobo> sean__: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:54] <guptan> sean_ usually ff detects need for plugin and installs automatically
[12:55] <ogra> guptan: there is also a package to manage that :)
[12:55] <guptan> oh really
[12:56] <guptan> ogra, when I asked to remove firefox, it removes a package named ubuntu-desktop too.
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> that's correct
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> ubuntu desktop depends on all the packages that are in the 'ubuntu desktop'
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> there's nothing actually in it
[12:57] <guptan> HrdwrBoB, so can I remove that one?
[12:58] <ogra> guptan: you will need it for a upgrade to a new stable ubuntu version, keep in mind installing it again then.....
[12:58] <guptan> oh
[12:58] <ogra> guptan: but else its useless and can get removed
[12:59] <domestiko> one thing you can do is building your own package and then checkinstall
[12:59] <domestiko> but is safer doing what ogra says
[01:01] <aaroncuk> how easy is it to upgrade ubuntu, can it be done remotely without mess all my apps/settings up?
[01:01] <kim__> hi scoon
[01:01] <ogra> aaroncuk: to hoary ?
[01:02] <aaroncuk> yeah
[01:02] <ogra> aaroncuk: the upgrade is easy....but do you really want it ? its in flux .... i.e. see the channel topic
[01:03] <EfaistOs> hi
[01:04] <aaroncuk> i dont want it yet, but may do in the future its just im putting a server in somewhere over 200 miles away lol.. dont wanna have to go and sort it if it goes wrong lol
[01:04] <EfaistOs> i have a little problem with GTK2 windows ... it's quite slow to open new windows  when i double click in nautilus or things like this
[01:04] <EfaistOs> do u have the same problem ?
[01:04] <FTTP> im downloading hoary snapshot iso
[01:04] <FTTP> should be good right? :)
[01:05] <domestiko> EfaistOs, have you upgraded to hoary?
[01:05] <cardador> EfaistOs: sudo apt-get install gamin
[01:05] <EfaistOs> domestiko, yes
[01:05] <JStrike> EfaistOs : Nope. Sorry :-(
[01:05] <guptan> just out of curiosity: how good is changing all warty to hoary in apt?
[01:05] <EfaistOs> gamin ?
[01:06] <FTTP> guptan:  Dunno...... im downloading the hoary iso
[01:06] <cardador> EfaistOs: yes, it replacees fam
[01:06] <FTTP> then ill update it thru there
[01:06] <domestiko> EfaistOs, the problem is fam. Install gamin
[01:06] <ogra> FTTP: its a snapshot.....taken automatically i guess......
[01:07] <EfaistOs> cardador, and FAM is the problem ? i have to uninstall FAM or not ?
[01:07] <FTTP> ogra:  daily snapshot is good, then ill update it :)
[01:07] <mats> anyone knows how to change fonts on gtk1.x apps (like amule or xmule)?
[01:07] <kgill> hey ogra you must live in here ;)
[01:07] <ogra> FTTP: so it totally depands on the state of the shooted stuff.....
[01:07] <EfaistOs> apparently not ... quite quicker right now :) thnx
[01:07] <domestiko> I did unistall it, and everything's fine
[01:07] <ogra> kgill: hehe
[01:07] <FTTP> ogra:  Right, and when there are updates for the shooted stuff it will be on my machine :)
[01:08] <kgill> ubuntu needs more howtos on its website
[01:08] <ogra> FTTP: if the sys was broken while the shot was taken yours will be too
[01:08] <domestiko> bye
[01:08] <ogra> kgill: go on...its a wiki, everybody can contribute
[01:08] <FTTP> ogra:  then ill update
[01:08] <FTTP> as long as it installs and aptget is workin
[01:09] <FTTP> if it wont install, then ill wait and download the next dailysnapshot
[01:09] <kgill> trying to get gnome meeting setup and have no audio
[01:09] <kgill> and don't see anything in device manager for audio
[01:09] <ogra> kgill: sorry never used it.....
[01:09] <erik> hey, is sed borked for everyone else in hoary?
[01:10] <mats> anyone knows how to change fonts on gtk1.x apps (like amule or xmule)?
[01:10] <ogra> kgill: look in your mixer for the mic
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  they came out with a new update
[01:10] <erik> FTTP: oh, sweet
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  u having a problem with sid ?
[01:10] <ogra> erik: see topic
[01:10] <erik> I don't seem to have it yet :(
[01:10] <FTTP> the upgrade it right?
[01:10] <erik> oh, duh
[01:10] <erik> ok, sweet
[01:10] <erik> thanks ogra , sorry :p
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  u upgraded and sid wouldnt install right?
[01:10] <ogra> np
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  I reported the bug earlier
[01:10] <FTTP> erik:  errr alot of people reported that bug
[01:11] <thoreauputic> FTTP: not sid
[01:11] <FTTP> i mean sed
[01:11] <thoreauputic> FTTP: yeah :)
[01:11] <FTTP> thoreauputic typo
[01:11] <thoreauputic> OK ;)
[01:11] <FTTP> thoreauputic im burning the snapshot now
[01:11] <FTTP> i figured ill do it this way
[01:11] <kgill> where would I look for that?
[01:12] <kgill> sound prefs isn't playing a sound
[01:12] <ogra> kgill: right click on the volume applet.....
[01:13] <Scognito> ogra,
[01:13] <Scognito> Extracting templates from packages: 100%
[01:13] <Scognito> Preconfiguring packages ...
[01:13] <Scognito> let's see :)
[01:14] <kgill> still nothing
[01:14] <FTTP> should i do the update from the internet when i install?
[01:14] <ogra> hehe
[01:14] <FTTP> or should i skip it?
[01:14] <ogra> kgill: mic is unmuted ?
[01:14] <Scognito> FTTP, update, if you can
[01:14] <kgill> the sound adjust in the uper righ will not go up
[01:14] <kgill> next to the date
[01:14] <FTTP> scognito:  cause if u dont update, it wont update in synaptic without adding modifications
[01:14] <FTTP> i reported it as a bug they told me to add syntax in synaptic
[01:14] <ogra> kgill: so you dont have any sound ?
[01:15] <kgill> none at all
[01:15] <kgill> and not sure where to see if the right driver is set for the sound card
[01:15] <ogra> kgill: what soundcard do you have ?
[01:16] <kgill> this is a donated machine for my project and just got this machine on monday
[01:16] <kgill> I have not even taken a look at it
[01:16] <ogra> kgill: you can look in the device manager.....
[01:17] <kgill> no sound device is listed there
[01:17] <ogra> kgill: hmm, probably a ISA card..... what kind of system is it ?
[01:18] <kgill> the sound card is embeded on the motherboard
[01:18] <kgill> its a throw away dell "I hate dells"
[01:18] <ogra> heh
[01:18] <kgill> I am a mac and windows system admin for 12 years
[01:19] <kgill> and have used redhat of and on as a server since ver. 2
[01:19] <ogra> kgill: never had a dell but i see the laptops fall apart all around me
[01:19] <kgill> and now having to learn linux in full depth
[01:19] <thoreauputic> kgill: try lspci | grep audio
[01:26] <timello> hi there, which tool I can change my screen resolution?
[01:27] <Scognito> timello, computer -> system configuratio -> screen resolution
[01:28] <timello> Scognito, I'm using another window manager, could you tell me the name?
[01:28] <cardador> timello: gnome-display-properties
[01:28] <timello> thx
[01:31] <timello> cardador, I want to set 1152X864, but it not shows me this option, idea? I put this entry on XF86config-4, but didn't work
[01:31] <cardador> timello: did you restart X after changing it?
[01:32] <timello> yes I did
[01:32] <timello> I give telinit 1 and then telinit3
[01:32] <icecrash> n8
[01:33] <scopecrp> timello that is a supported resolution for the card and monitor?
[01:33] <timello> yes, in other distr it works fine
[01:33] <timello> 75HZ
[01:34] <mojo_> morning
[01:34] <mojo_> 'sed' up yet?
[01:34] <scopecrp> mojo_ not for me
[01:35] <timello> scopecrp, maybe HorizSync and VertRefresh?
[01:36] <ogra> mojo_: see topic
[01:36] <scopecrp> timello to be honest i am a total noob.  someone else can definately help you more
[01:36] <Scognito> ogra,
[01:36] <Scognito> error while upgrading
[01:37] <timello> scopecrp, np thx
[01:37] <Scognito> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:37] <Scognito>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[01:37] <Scognito> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:37] <Scognito> i install with dpkg -force overwrite
[01:37] <ogra> Scognito: kde ??
[01:37] <ogra> lol
[01:37] <scopecrp> timello i just know that windows supports res's that arent 'officially supported' in some cases
[01:37] <Scognito> mmm
[01:37] <Scognito> it is for k3b
[01:37] <Scognito> k3b rox
[01:37] <ogra> Scognito: ah well....
[01:39] <luc1f3r> Guys, I have a question? can you help me?
[01:39] <Scognito> for now i'm doing apt-get remove kcontrol and k3b
[01:40] <luc1f3r> I want to increase my screen's resolution
[01:40] <ogra> Scognito: hehe
[01:40] <luc1f3r> i knowhow to make the changes
[01:40] <luc1f3r> but I can't get above 1024x768 @60Hz
[01:41] <luc1f3r> and that's a lot less than I used to have on MSwindows
[01:41] <FTTP> the hoary developmental release installation failed and did some weird stuff
[01:42] <FTTP> oh well :)
[01:42] <Scognito> i'm just upgrading
[01:42] <ogra> FTTP....
[01:42] <Scognito> for the first time
[01:42] <scaroo> FTTP, it s a sed related issue, it is knowand being fixed
[01:42] <FTTP> scognito thats the way to do it
[01:42] <cardador> luc1f3r: find the horizontal sync and vertical refresh for your monitor
[01:42] <EfaistOs> where in gconf-editor  can i change the value of nautilus to avoid opening mutiple windows ?
[01:42] <FTTP> scaroo:  You mean the xserver failure and the weird screen stuff?
[01:42] <luc1f3r> cardador: what are those?
[01:43] <FTTP> scaroo im talking about loading the iso from developmental cd
[01:43] <cardador> luc1f3r: google for your monitor specifications
[01:43] <scaroo> FTTP, ow, sorry, i misunderstood :p
[01:43] <ogra> FTTP: he doesnt know you installed from the snapshot CD
[01:43] <FTTP> ogra oh
[01:43] <FTTP> ok
[01:43] <luc1f3r> like, type in my monitor make and model?
[01:43] <luc1f3r> and look for what?
[01:43] <FTTP> im gonna wait for hoary rc releases
[01:43] <FTTP> and then report bugs
[01:43] <cardador> luc1f3r: find the horizontal sync and vertical refresh for your monitor
[01:43] <FTTP> developmental releases too buggy
[01:44] <ogra> FTTP: they are fo rdevelopment :)
[01:44] <FTTP> i know
[01:44] <luc1f3r> okay, let me check
[01:44] <FTTP> ogra:  Beta releases are ok but not daily snapshots :P
[01:44] <FTTP> heh
[01:45] <thoreauputic> FTTP: I tried some firefox daily builds a while ago - they looked great for the 5 microseconds they were on my screen ;)
[01:45] <ogra> FTTP: hoary has one huge change to come....this could break a lot of stuff.....the extraction of the language packs from all software.....
[01:46] <scopecrp> i use firefox nightlies
[01:46] <Keybuk> ogra: there's still some debate about how to accomplish that
[01:46] <ogra> FTTP: this will be a gigantic effort......
[01:46] <scopecrp> i build my own actually
[01:47] <FTTP> ogra yep
[01:47] <FTTP> ogra:  I hear ya
[01:47] <luc1f3r> cardador: vertical freq: 48-160 Hz   Horizontal freq: 30-94 kHz
[01:47] <ogra> Keybuk: but its policy ... as i understood, so it will happen anyway.....or am i wrong ?
[01:47] <Keybuk> it's a "would very much like", yes
[01:47] <cardador> luc1f3r: do you have warty or hoary?
[01:48] <ogra> Keybuk: yep thats how i understoo it.....and it will be a great thing....once done :)
[01:48] <discord> anyone know if their is a package for slackware and what url i need to add to sources.lst to grab it?
[01:48] <ogra> +d
[01:48] <discord> i mean
[01:48] <discord> shockwave
[01:48] <discord> sorry
[01:48] <luc1f3r> cardador, warty
[01:49] <ogra> bonobo: flash discord
[01:49] <bonobo> discord: for flashplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:49] <ogra> discord: hear the bonobo bot :)
[01:49] <discord> bonobo isn;t that some sort of ape?
[01:50] <cardador> luc1f3r: sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:50] <ogra> discord: maybe.... its our url bot :)
[01:50] <EfaistOs> where in gconf-editor  can i change the value of nautilus to avoid opening mutiple windows when you open a directory ?
[01:50] <bronson> I apt-get upgraded to Hoary today.
[01:50] <bronson> Oops.
[01:50] <luc1f3r> cardador: do that in terminal?
[01:50] <ogra> EfaistOs: do it in nautils own options
[01:50] <trans_err> I'm having troubles with my nvidia card and I'm not sure if its me or the hardware... The card works fine with the open source 'nv' driver or when the card is started with NvAGP="1" with the nvidia driver-- however if I switch to NvAGP="2" to push up performance-- It freezes the display after only 10 - 15 seconds.... Any ideas before I call newegg?
[01:50] <cardador> luc1f3r: then go to section "monitor" and it will be pretty obvious the changes you need to make
[01:50] <cardador> luc1f3r: yes
[01:51] <ogra> bronson: seen the topic ? :)
[01:51] <trans_err> Oh a bit of info... I have an nforce 1 mobo and a the new card is an FX5700
[01:51] <bronson> ogra: yup.
[01:51] <EfaistOs> ogra, ?
[01:51] <bronson> ogra: wish i'd seen that before I tried tho...
[01:52] <ogra> bronson: just wait a day.....wil be fixed soon
[01:52] <Scognito> "non solum, sed etiam" (latin)
[01:52] <Scognito> :)
[01:52] <cardador> trans_err: nvagp 1 is good
[01:52] <discord> bonobo: here's a banana
[01:52] <bronson> will do.
[01:52] <cardador> trans_err: did you read what nvagp 2 does?
[01:52] <ogra> EfaistOs: in nautilus ... edit->settings
[01:52] <trans_err> cardador, but I see horrible performance in ut2004
[01:52] <cardador> trans_err: did you install the nvidia driver?
[01:53] <ogra> EfaistOs: the "behavoir" ? tab .... soryy, german sys here
[01:53] <ogra> +r-y
[01:53] <cardador> trans_err: i have ut2004 and it runs very well
[01:54] <ogra> trans_err: did you take the ubuntu package for the driver ?
[01:54] <trans_err> cardador, yes the binary driver is installed- I've tried both the ubuntu and the NVIDIA package
[01:54] <ogra> trans_err: on warty or hoary ?
[01:54] <cardador> trans_err: and you did all the changes to xf86config-4, etc
[01:55] <ogra> cardador: the package brings a script to do that easily
[01:55] <FTTP> is it possible for ubuntu to use a gui installer based off the progeny one?
[01:55] <cardador> ogra: but if you mess with it, it is useless :)
[01:55] <ogra> yep
[01:55] <FTTP> for gui installers there is so much already out in opensource
[01:55] <trans_err> cardador, yes- I'm quite familiar with the nvidia drivers (i have an nforce board...)
[01:56] <FTTP> no need to reinvent the wheel
[01:56] <FTTP> just modify whats out already
[01:56] <FTTP> for ubuntu
[01:56] <ogra> FTTP: dont you think the installer works fine ?
[01:56] <FTTP> ogra not for someone new to linux, no
[01:56] <cardador> has anyone tried the auto hinting for the fonts? it really look a lot better
[01:57] <scopecrp> cardador i agree
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra we can just pop in a better installer, there are plenty to choose from
[01:57] <fissy> auto hinting?
[01:57] <ogra> FTTP: whats the task someone new to linux couldnt do with it ?
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra:  even the new debian text based one is better
[01:57] <scopecrp> cardador looks better than windows on my laptop
[01:57] <cardador> fissy: go to the ubuntu forum, howto section
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra:  Someone new will think their computer has problems
[01:57] <ogra> FTTP: they are the same....
[01:57] <Scognito> ogra
[01:57] <FTTP> ogra:  oh, ubuntu uses the newer debian installer?
[01:57] <trans_err> ogra, hoary
[01:57] <Scognito> update finished
[01:57] <Scognito> no errors reported
[01:58] <FTTP> ogra:  the SID installer?
[01:58] <scopecrp> i have never been so impressed with the polish of a distro as i am with ubuntu
[01:58] <Scognito> reloading X session
[01:58] <fissy> ogra, it just looks slightly scary compared to a pretty gui interface.... it reinforces preconceptions people might have about linux, especially the hard drive partitioning part
[01:58] <Scognito> hoping for the best
[01:58] <cardador> fissy: try to partition a drive at windows
[01:58] <FTTP> ogra what does the older debian installer look like? :)
[01:59] <Scognito> ops, other package to be upgraded...
[01:59] <Scognito> let's wait :)
[01:59] <ogra> text based
[01:59] <FTTP> ogra no i mean for the newer debian there is a newer installer
[01:59] <FTTP> is this the newer installer thats on ubuntu?
[01:59] <thoreauputic> FTTP: the new Debian installer is not a sid installer - it installs sarge
[01:59] <FTTP> thoreauputic yeah the sarge one i mean
[01:59] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  is ubuntu the same as sarge?
[02:00] <cardador> FTTP: its based on sid
[02:00] <ogra> FTTP: debian supports 11 arches.....there will always be a textbased one.....probably enhanced with gtk for i386 etc
[02:00] <fissy> cardador?
[02:00] <FTTP> cardador:  now im confused
[02:01] <FTTP> is it sid or sarge?
[02:01] <mjr> ubuntu is based on sid but similar to sarge in that sarge is also based on sid of similar age :)
[02:01] <FTTP> doh
[02:01] <mjr> and you thought you were confused
[02:01] <ogra> trans_err: so the package definately wont work for you
[02:01] <thoreauputic> FTTP: installer -> sarge       ubuntu -> based on sid
[02:02] <FTTP> ogra:  My point is this:  The installer needs work whether they use text or gui........ people will see those FATAL errors and get confused
[02:02] <cardador> fissy: anyone that can install windows, is more than qualified to install linux.
[02:02] <ogra> FTTP: in the installer ?
[02:02] <FTTP> like i did
[02:02] <scopecrp> is it possible to install from the livecd?
[02:02] <FTTP> ogra:  When it installs it gives those errors
[02:02] <FTTP> oh wait thats upon boot
[02:02] <FTTP> sorry
[02:02] <Scognito> ok everything installed
[02:02] <FTTP> the installer had the problem of not detecting the monitor right
[02:02] <Scognito> reloading X
[02:03] <ogra> FTTP: this will be fixed in hoary
[02:03] <FTTP> and was confusing based on the update internet apps
[02:03] <FTTP> and when u do that
[02:03] <ogra> scopecrp: use the installer
[02:03] <FTTP> some of the files had issues
[02:03] <ogra> CD
[02:03] <FTTP> ogra:  when hoary is closer to release ill try the betas :)
[02:04] <kgill> hey ogra |spci| grep audio does nothing
[02:04] <FTTP> ogra:  the hoary goals sound good
[02:04] <kgill> also tried it with sudo
[02:04] <FTTP> ogra:  Pretty much everything that needs to be done
[02:04] <ogra> FTTP: do that ! it wil be a great distro
[02:04] <ogra> kgill: no need for sudo there.....
[02:04] <thoreauputic> kgill: lspci  ( that's an "ell")
[02:04] <scopecrp> ogra do you mean there is an 'installer' on the livecd or that i should use the install cd
[02:04] <nate> I did an "apt-get install fluxbox".  how do I get it running as my desktop environment?
[02:04] <FTTP> ogra:  gui installer should not be a priority as long as the text installer works right
[02:05] <ogra> scopecrp: use the installer CD i meant
[02:05] <FTTP> ogra i would want a working text installer, then create the gui one
[02:05] <kgill> thoreaputic: "ell"?
[02:05] <ogra> FTTP: yep...thats my point
[02:05] <scopecrp> ogra because the install cd doesnt recognize any of my cd/dvd drives
[02:05] <kgill> is that  like a .dll?
[02:05] <scopecrp> (ive tried 5 different ones)
[02:05] <thoreauputic> kgill:  lspci  (not |spci| )
[02:05] <ogra> kgill: the letter L
[02:05] <FTTP> ogra hoary works well tho....... should be able to change monitor directly in gnome tho :)
[02:06] <FTTP> ogra its not like it detected the monitor where it was unreadable or anything, it got my refresh rates wrong and the like
[02:06] <ogra> scopecrp: 5 different ones ??
[02:06] <scopecrp> and unfortunately i cannot copy the iso to another drive because im using a non-linux raid card for my other 4 harddrives
[02:06] <FTTP> ogra also that part about choosing resolutions for the monitor is confusing for some
[02:06] <ogra> scopecrp: there is only one for each arch
[02:07] <kgill> ok got it
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra:   it should just have a choice of monitors instead
[02:07] <scopecrp> ogra aye, a tdk dvdr, 2 sony cdr's, a liteon cdr and a cheap creative cd drive
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra rather than asking which resolutions the monitor does up to
[02:07] <FTTP> most new distros do that now
[02:07] <ogra> FTTP: nope, it should just detect.....
[02:07] <kgill> but need to do a  comand with it?
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra i disagree
[02:07] <FTTP> ogra it should detect, but then ask you to confirm
[02:08] <scopecrp> i have more harddrives but my powersupply has no more power plugs on it
[02:08] <FTTP> ogra unless it can detect it 100%
[02:08] <ogra> FTTP: thats the goal !
[02:08] <FTTP> ogra:  but some monitors cant be detected
[02:09] <ogra> FTTP: so you need a default and a fallback....
[02:09] <thoreauputic> FTTP: you mean like the mandrake thing where you get to test it before continuing?
[02:09] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  I never tried mandrake
[02:09] <FTTP> a long time ago maybe
[02:09] <ogra> kgill: type it in a terminal.....it lists your pci devices
[02:10] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  the part where u have to select the resolutions the monitor can handle up to is just so outdated, many distros used to be like that
[02:10] <Telep> right, managed to fiddle firefox 1.0 onto my warty :)
[02:10] <ogra> scopecrp: have you already looked at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[02:10] <Telep> thanks to scoon
[02:10] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  the installer needs more work
[02:10] <FTTP> whether we stick to gui or text
[02:10] <thoreauputic> FTTP: so you've said ;-)
[02:11] <kgill> it comes up with a usage screen
[02:11] <scopecrp> ogra not thorougly no, i just havent made myself do it yet
[02:11] <ogra> kgill: show the command (cop n paste) you typed
[02:11] <Scognito> re
[02:11] <Scognito> ogre everything works FINE
[02:11] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  hoary will have more of the internals covered up right?
[02:11] <ogra> Scognito great !
[02:11] <FTTP> to make it less confusion for newbies
[02:11] <Scognito> :)
[02:12] <FTTP> i think that was part of the goals like to make it boot quicker into the splashscreens
[02:12] <Scognito> ogra, i have still xfree
[02:12] <thoreauputic> FTTP: I don't know - you'd need to ask one of the developers like jdub
[02:12] <Scognito> how can i change it?
[02:13] <ogra> Scognito: did you install ubuntu-desktop before the install ?
[02:13] <ogra> Scognito: if its not installed.... install it.....
[02:13] <FTTP> ogra actually i dont like the progeny installer
[02:13] <FTTP> errr and thoreauputic
[02:13] <FTTP> http://hackers.progeny.com/configlets/screenshots/screen06.png
[02:13] <Scognito> don't remember
[02:13] <FTTP> see that screen
[02:13] <kgill> no audio devices show up with - v
[02:13] <FTTP> thats what i dont like in text
[02:13] <FTTP> alot of people dont know what res there monitors can handle
[02:13] <FTTP> should autodetect the res :)
[02:14] <ogra> kgill: i think its a ISA card....
[02:15] <kgill> isa shows up with a -t
[02:15] <ogra> kgill: read the manpage .....
[02:16] <thoreauputic> FTTP: yes, that's what I meant about the Mandrake installer - you choose a monitor and then click to test if it works as expected: if not you can go back and retry
[02:16] <ogra> kgill: i.e.: man lspci
[02:16] <kgill> so isa, ide,usb,acpi(not sure what this is) and the video card
[02:16] <Scognito> ogra, in ubuntu-desktop there are LOT of unnedeed packages
[02:16] <kgill> yup already read it
[02:16] <Scognito> can i install xorg separately
[02:16] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  The installer part needs to be debated among developers
[02:16] <ogra> Scognito: its needed for a clean upgrade
[02:16] <FTTP> but we need a better solution than there is now
[02:16] <Scognito> ok
[02:17] <trans_err> If i'm using NvAGP="1" should agpgart and nvidia_agp be loaded?
[02:17] <scopecrp> ogra what package should i search for in bugzilla re: the cd drives?
[02:18] <ogra> scopecrp: probably raid ?
[02:18] <thoreauputic> kgill: try  lspci | grep audio   and see if you get anything
[02:18] <ogra> thoreauputic: its a ISA card.....
[02:18] <thoreauputic> ogra: ah Ok - sorry
[02:18] <kgill> nothing comes up
[02:18] <ogra> sorry guys, my girl gets angry slowly.....have to go to bed......2am
[02:19] <kgill> no errors just exicutes the command
[02:19] <kgill> thankx ogra
[02:20] <ogra> kgill: try to find out the cardname.... then look for the module in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/sound/isa/ the guys will help you.....
[02:20] <FTTP> thoreauputic and ogra:  http://www.osdir.com/shots/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=173&slide=23
[02:20] <ogra> night all
[02:21] <FTTP> fedora has it where you just select the resolution you want to use, not the resolutions you want to use
[02:21] <FTTP> err i mean
[02:21] <FTTP> sorry
[02:21] <FTTP> like with ubuntu u have to select several resolutions that you want to be able to use
[02:22] <FTTP> with fedora u only select one resolution but i believe it sets u up to switch amongst all of them
[02:22] <FTTP> fedora doesnt ask for monitor type either
[02:22] <FTTP> i thought it did
[02:22] <FTTP> that was redhat which did i guess :P
[02:23] <FTTP> prolly older versions
[02:25] <Gnobody> ne1 here?
[02:26] <thoreauputic> Gnobody: no, the 268 others are figments of your imagination ;-)
[02:26] <Gnobody> awsome
[02:26] <Gnobody> I am going crazy ;)
[02:27] <trans_err> How do I stop agpgart from starting at boot?
[02:27] <kgill> I am looking at the lib/modules....../......./......./sound/isa
[02:27] <Gnobody> how do I get the gnome services panel back in hoary??
[02:27] <kgill> and see alot*.ko files
[02:29] <trans_err> can anyonle help me disable agpgart from starting?
[02:29] <Scognito> ok
[02:29] <Scognito> everything works
[02:29] <Scognito> xorg installed
[02:30] <Scognito> :)
[02:30] <Scognito> thnx for help oddabe19
[02:30] <Scognito> sorry, ogra
[02:34] <PorscheBoy> can u upgrade the kernel using apt-get?
[02:35] <FTTP> ubuntu dropped to #20 on distrowatch
[02:35] <FTTP> for 12 mths
[02:35] <FTTP> it was #13
[02:36] <FTTP> the last i looked :(
[02:37] <thoreauputic> FTTP: normal. The "new toy" effect is wearing off, that's all
[02:38] <CoffeeMan> How do I get unsupported Debian packages in Ubuntu?
[02:38] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  hoary should be exciting....... right now warty is good for usage but has a few quirks
[02:39] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Warty is great for a 1st release tho IMHO
[02:40] <CoffeeMan> what is IMHO
[02:40] <discord> coffeman: my guess would be add debian sources to your sources.lst
[02:40] <trans_err> does anyone please know how to disable agpgart from starting?
[02:40] <CoffeeMan> discord: Why thank you, is that all?
[02:40] <trans_err> I looked through rc, modules.conf, everything...
[02:40] <CoffeeMan> what is IMHO?
[02:40] <FTTP> http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html
[02:40] <FTTP> very interesting
[02:41] <discord> coffeeman: its just a guess but you should try messing around with aptitude instead of synaptic
[02:41] <discord> coffeeman: In My Humble Opinon
[02:41] <discord> or URaHO
[02:42] <CoffeeMan> discord: I appreciate it, but I don't like aptitude, I like either synaptic, or just the terminal.
[02:42] <thoreauputic> adding debian sources will break your installation in strange and unusual ways
[02:43] <CoffeeMan> thoreauputic: how so?
[02:44] <thoreauputic> CoffeeMan: ubuntu has its own repositories - and Ubuntu's dependencies are different, and so on
[02:44] <thoreauputic> bonobo: synaptic CoffeeMan
[02:44] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: package management in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:45] <thoreauputic> bonobo: mplayer CoffeeMan
[02:45] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: for mplayer in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:45] <thoreauputic> other restricted formats... also enable universe and multiverse
[02:45] <kensai> bonobo is a kool guy ;)
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bonobo: multiverse CoffeeMan
[02:47] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: Software in the multiverse" component has not been determined to be Free Software to enable it see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3414506543"
[02:47] <thoreauputic> bonobo: universe CoffeeMan
[02:47] <bonobo> CoffeeMan: Universe contains packages which are not officially supported by Ubuntu, to enable it see: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages
[02:48] <thoreauputic> CoffeeMan: that should keep you busy for a while ;-)
[02:50] <liberaltugboat> hey
[02:51] <liberaltugboat> i was wondering if anyone knows of any really good linux web portals I could use as my home page
[02:51] <kensai> liberaltugboat, www.ubuntulinux.org ;)
[02:53] <liberaltugboat> kensai, lol something that has news on it
[02:54] <kensai> liberaltugboat, I always use distrowatch.com very useful or linux.org or osnews.com no other
[02:54] <gloin_> I'm having trouble updating my nvidia drivers - I've got the correct kernel sources, and I've got a compiler, but the nvidia installer craps out every time.
[02:54] <thoreauputic> bonobo: nvidia gloin_
[02:54] <bonobo> gloin_: for nvidia in ubuntu see: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> gloin_, are you in X when you try to compile it?
[02:55] <gloin_> ahh binary driver
[02:55] <gloin_> thoreauputic: counterintuitive name of that howto - i was just there
[02:55] <gloin_> liberaltugboat: yeah lol, it's something else
[02:55] <thoreauputic> gloin_: read the bonobo bot URL :)
[02:55] <FTTP> how is the gnoppix different than ubuntu livecd?
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> cause it will not compile while in X
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> !!
[02:55] <FTTP> is the latest gnoppix = ubuntu?
[02:55] <gloin_> liberaltugboat: duh =P
[02:55] <FTTP> for the livecd or are they still a little different
[02:55] <liberaltugboat> FTTP, gnoppix is working with ubuntu to make the live cd better
[02:56] <FTTP> liberaltugboat right but is the latest gnoppix livecd the same as ubuntu?
[02:56] <FTTP> or are they different?
[02:56] <liberaltugboat> yeah pretty much
[02:56] <liberaltugboat> might be a tad different
[02:56] <liberaltugboat> but it is based on ubuntu
[02:57] <FTTP> right
[02:57] <FTTP> hmm
[02:57] <Telep> hmm, dma is not being enabled on my cd drive by default. What do I need to edit so it enables it on boot?
[02:57] <Gwildor> like a customized ubuntu
[02:57] <liberaltugboat> only way to know is DL it
[02:57] <gloin_> thoreauputic: the URL referenced does not show how to install current drivers, which are at 6629 - the deb package is 6111, which is deprecated and a LOT slower
[02:57] <mojo_> arhh, I stuck with the **** sed for more than a day, I just want to get my box restart, can someone push up the slow turtle cron.tab?
[02:57] <gloin_> so
[02:57] <PorscheBoy> ---
[02:58] <gloin_> does anyone know how to compile the drivers from nvidia?
[02:58] <liberaltugboat> gloin you might want to see if there is a .deb pack in the hoary tree
[02:58] <gloin_> hrm
[02:58] <thoreauputic> gloin_: well, sorry I just invoked the bot - I don't know about nvidia drivers, sorry
[02:58] <syamajala> anyone tried ubuntu in virtual pc on a mac?
[02:58] <PorscheBoy> dd
[02:58] <gloin_> liberaltugboat: I'm reluctant to do a .deb package unless absolutely neccessary
[02:58] <PorscheBoy> fgfg
[02:58] <Gnobody> you need kernel-headers
[02:58] <Gnobody> gloin
[02:58] <gloin_> Gnobody: thx
[02:59] <Gnobody> but you need them for your exact kernel version
[02:59] <syamajala> does your ethernet card need to work for the installation?
[02:59] <FTTP> ubuntu uses the same debian prompt at the beginning
[02:59] <PorscheBoy> can u install a new kernel image with apt-get in ubuntu?
[02:59] <FTTP> like with the logo and all
[02:59] <gloin_> Gnobody: Package kernel-headers has no installation candidate
[02:59] <FTTP> when it boots i mean
[02:59] <Gnobody> you also need make and gcc
[02:59] <gloin_> that's from apt-get install kernel-headers
[02:59] <moyogo> syamajala: you can install with the cd only
[02:59] <Gnobody> gloin_ use synaptic
[02:59] <gloin_> ugh
[02:59] <gloin_> I have to start X then =[
[02:59] <Gnobody> wait
[02:59] <syamajala> moyogo, it keeps failing for me
[02:59] <Gnobody> you can do it without
[03:00] <liberaltugboat> use aptitude
[03:00] <Gnobody> uname -r
[03:00] <FTTP> warty
[03:00] <liberaltugboat> then you dont have to start x
[03:00] <FTTP> hoary too unstable :(
[03:00] <Gnobody> yeah or that
[03:00] <syamajala> moyogo, it gets up to the bsd package and says something about the ethernet card
[03:00] <FTTP> if u update it its ok tho
[03:00] <Gnobody> hoary isnt bad
[03:00] <FTTP> gnobody:  try the developmental iso :P
[03:00] <gloin_> argh
[03:00] <Gnobody> no thanx
[03:00] <FTTP> gnobody:  Hoary is ok if you upgrade :P
[03:00] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, i agree with u that's y i'm running pure debian right now
[03:00] <liberaltugboat> hoary is in pre beta status of course it is unstable
[03:00] <Gnobody> Alpha
[03:01] <FTTP> porscheboy:  yeah i should do pure debian
[03:01] <gloin_> E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-3-686
[03:01] <FTTP> for the time being
[03:01] <gloin_> ffs
[03:01] <gloin_> I have to reboot to get X working
[03:01] <FTTP> till ubuntu gets better :P
[03:01] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, i'm running Debian Sarge
[03:01] <thoreauputic> gloin_: apt-cache search linux-headers
[03:01] <gloin_> /etc/init.d/gdm start throws an error that something isn't unloading when X quits
[03:01] <Gnobody> did you upgrade to an i686 kernel gloin_?
[03:01] <FTTP> porscheboy:  i can install it over the net right?
[03:01] <PorscheBoy> man, u can upgrade the kernel images like u upgrade software with apt-get
[03:01] <FTTP> ubuntu is great tho, dont get me wrong
[03:02] <PorscheBoy> i know
[03:02] <FTTP> i just want to try sarge....... ubuntu has more potential and it all goes back to debian anyways
[03:02] <gloin_> Gnobody: yeah, that's the output from uname-r
[03:02] <FTTP> porscheboy:  Can i do a network install tho ?
[03:02] <FTTP> porscheboy:  Just download 1 iso then net install what i want right?
[03:02] <FTTP> see i dont need all the debian packages
[03:02] <gloin_> ah
[03:02] <gloin_> hehe
[03:02] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, that's how i installed my debian
[03:03] <PorscheBoy> same here
[03:03] <Gnobody> try  kernel-headers-2.6.8.1
[03:03] <gloin_> I was trying to install "kernel-headers" but needed "linux-headers"
[03:03] <gloin_> it's okay
[03:03] <FTTP> porscheboy:  ok ill do that :P i should use the new installer iso right?
[03:03] <gloin_> I got the 686 package
[03:03] <Gnobody> oh
[03:03] <Gnobody> lol
[03:03] <Scognito> nite
[03:03] <Gnobody> my mistake
[03:03] <PorscheBoy> so it's that's yes
[03:03] <gloin_> now it builds =] 
[03:03] <PorscheBoy> use Sarge iso
[03:04] <gloin_> I wonder how long it will take for a .deb file with current nvidia-drivers
[03:04] <FTTP> porscheboy: wheres the link?
[03:04] <Gnobody> I don't know I thought it would be on universe by now
[03:04] <PorscheBoy> let me look it up...hold on
[03:04] <Gnobody> especially with x.org
[03:04] <FTTP> porscheboy:  netinst CD image, with Debian base
[03:04] <FTTP> that one right?
[03:04] <Gnobody> I wonder when the new artwork will be in Hoary?
[03:05] <FTTP> i found it
[03:05] <FTTP> right on the website
[03:05] <thoreauputic> FTTP:  http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
[03:06] <FTTP> yeah thats where im downloading from
[03:06] <FTTP> im gonna see how sarge is different
[03:06] <PorscheBoy> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/
[03:06] <FTTP> prolly not that much tho
[03:06] <FTTP> porscheboy:  You would go with the weekly?
[03:06] <FTTP> thats how i messed up my ubuntu :P
[03:06] <liberaltugboat> hehe Im trying to murder my internet connection
[03:06] <liberaltugboat> tons of DLs going!! w00t
[03:06] <PorscheBoy> it's just net install
[03:07] <PorscheBoy> it's way more stable than ubuntu
[03:07] <FTTP> porscheboy its ok i got it from the main debian website
[03:07] <FTTP> netinst CD image, with Debian base
[03:07] <Gnobody> man the internet in general is slow for me
[03:07] <Gwildor> liberaltugboat, with what?
[03:07] <FTTP> that one from the installer site
[03:07] <Gnobody> mainly HTTP stuff
[03:07] <Gnobody> I think it is because of the new MSN search bots
[03:07] <PorscheBoy> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/
[03:07] <liberaltugboat> i got some linux ISOs on the way, a ton of music, I know it could handle more
[03:07] <FTTP> porscheboy no thanks
[03:07] <FTTP> i got this one:
[03:07] <FTTP> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/i386/pre-rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso
[03:08] <PorscheBoy> that's good i think i got that one
[03:08] <Sensebend> I'm upgrading to hoary
[03:08] <Sensebend> :)
[03:08] <FTTP> oh wait
[03:08] <FTTP> this is pre-rc2
[03:08] <FTTP> doh
[03:08] <FTTP> did rc2 come out yet?
[03:08] <FTTP> or no?
[03:09] <PorscheBoy> just burn it and it will configure ur network and then apt-get update and install gnome or kde or whatever
[03:09] <FTTP> yep
[03:09] <FTTP> erasing cd
[03:10] <FTTP> then will burn
[03:10] <Gnobody> sid would be nice if it didn't break everything for me
[03:10] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, can u paste the text from sources.list on here so i can get the link to ubuntu repositories
[03:10] <FTTP> porscheboy:  That installer that ubuntu is using was just taken from debian anyways
[03:11] <PorscheBoy> it's the same crap
[03:11] <FTTP> so likely it will improve anyways
[03:11] <FTTP> porscheboy yeah
[03:11] <PorscheBoy> exact same thing
[03:11] <FTTP> porscheboy:  Yep
[03:11] <FTTP> the installer could be a bit better
[03:11] <PorscheBoy> all i know is that it's doesn't freeze my computer like ubuntu did
[03:11] <FTTP> ubuntu didnt freeze me
[03:11] <FTTP> i like ubuntu alot
[03:12] <FTTP> i just want to try debian sarge to see the differences
[03:12] <Gnobody> what do you mean freeze?
[03:12] <Gwildor> synaptic gives me a nasty 5 line message, join #flood if you would like to try to help
[03:12] <PorscheBoy> well, ubuntu has a bug that affects people with AMD and NVidia systems
[03:12] <FTTP> oh
[03:12] <Gnobody> I have both
[03:12] <FTTP> i have p4 and nivida
[03:12] <gloin_> crap
[03:12] <Gnobody> I have AMD and Nvdidia
[03:12] <gloin_> broke my x server
[03:12] <Gnobody> *nvidia
[03:12] <Gnobody> what bug?
[03:13] <FTTP> porsacheboy report bug, should be fixed for final hoary :)
[03:13] <PorscheBoy> well, it would lock up my gnome and i can't even do alt-ctrl-f1 to get out of X
[03:13] <liberaltugboat> does anyone know of any cheap linux compatible dial up internet providers
[03:13] <gloin_> Gnobody: how to get xorg on here?
[03:13] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  any!
[03:13] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  linux uses ppp
[03:13] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, hoary has a bug also...the Desktop window doesn't refresh sometimes
[03:13] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  any but aol
[03:14] <FTTP> aol uses its own shit
[03:14] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  any ppp provider will work
[03:14] <Gnobody> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg gloin_
[03:14] <Gnobody> and do a system upgrade
[03:14] <FTTP> liberaltugboat:  www.thelist.org
[03:14] <Gnobody> sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:14] <Gnobody> after a sudo apt-get update
[03:15] <gloin_> ahh the upgrade is what I'm missing
[03:15] <FTTP> liberaltugboaT:  Sorry wrong url
[03:15] <FTTP> www.thelist.com
[03:15] <PorscheBoy> FTTP, can i have the link to ubuntu repositories?
[03:15] <PorscheBoy> it;s in ur sources.list
[03:15] <FTTP> porscheboy im in windows now
[03:15] <gloin_> Gnobody: and then a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, right?
[03:15] <FTTP> my ubuntu is f0xed
[03:16] <FTTP> i installed from the daily images
[03:16] <FTTP> for hoardy
[03:16] <Gnobody> no you don't need to
[03:16] <FTTP> err hoary
[03:16] <FTTP> i got weird errors, and it wont even let me log into text install
[03:16] <Gnobody> you may need xorg-common too
[03:16] <gloin_> Gnobody: does it automatically replace XFree86?
[03:16] <Gnobody> yes
[03:16] <gloin_> sweet
[03:16] <FTTP> im installing sarge on that drive now
[03:16] <Gnobody> I know
[03:16] <Gnobody> you won't for long gloin_
[03:17] <Gnobody> and then you have the best xserver you can get
[03:17] <gloin_> yep
[03:17] <gloin_> still need the newer nvidia driver
[03:17] <Gnobody> you'll*
[03:17] <gloin_> <--doom3 junky
[03:17] <kapputu> hi all
[03:17] <kapputu> bonobo
[03:17] <gloin_> bonobo...
[03:17] <Gnobody> Yeah I know DooM 3 blows
[03:17] <gloin_> nah
[03:17] <Gnobody> it is a tech demo
[03:17] <Gnobody> for the engine
[03:17] <Sensebend> Doom 3 Blows compared to HL2 :)
[03:17] <kapputu> bonobo: vmware
[03:17] <gloin_> I was getting 25 fps in timedemo without precaching
[03:18] <Gnobody> ouch
[03:18] <kapputu> ok good
[03:18] <gloin_> ubuntu has much better framerate
[03:18] <Gnobody> videocard?
[03:18] <gloin_> 5900XT
[03:18] <gloin_> I think it's pretty good
[03:18] <Gnobody> <--- 6800 NU
[03:18] <kapputu> how good is wine
[03:18] <gloin_> argh!
[03:18] <gloin_> lol
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> I know
[03:18] <Gnobody> wine is ok
[03:18] <HrdwrBoB> made from grapes and everything
[03:18] <kapputu> let me clarify, I'm not trying to get drunk here
[03:18] <Gnobody> what do you want to run?
[03:18] <kensai> kapputu, when old better thats the pleasure of wine ;)
[03:19] <kapputu> editplus
[03:19] <gloin_> Gnobody: E: Couldn't find package xserver-xorg
[03:19] <kapputu> more like an emergency thing
[03:19] <gloin_> apt-cache search xorg returned nothing
[03:19] <Gnobody> it is easiest to use a front-end for Wine like Cedega or CrossoverOffice but there are a ton of tutorials on the net for Wine
[03:20] <kapputu> I'm planning to get rid of Windows
[03:20] <gloin_> <---on warty
[03:20] <Gnobody> oh warty
[03:20] <gloin_> with universe and multiverse
[03:20] <Gnobody> you can't get x.org with warty
[03:20] <gloin_> augh
[03:20] <Gnobody> you need hoary in your sources
[03:20] <kensai> kapputu, wine is very good until the app you want uses installshield installer but all is perfect
[03:20] <EfaistOs> do u have some problem with sed ?
[03:20] <EfaistOs> the pkg ?
[03:21] <kapputu> if I want to buy vmware, should I buy vmware workstation ?
[03:21] <gloin_> hmm
[03:21] <Gnobody> no kapputu
[03:21] <kapputu> which one?
[03:21] <kensai> kapputu, win4lin is better
[03:21] <Gnobody> just set it up yourself
[03:21] <kapputu> I meant the product
[03:21] <kapputu> what's win4lin?
[03:22] <kensai> kapputu, you shuld read more aboutwin4lin or vmware
[03:22] <gloin_> hmm
[03:22] <Gnobody> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:22] <kapputu> is win4lin free ?
[03:22] <kensai> kapputu, win4lin is the same as wine but better
[03:22] <gloin_> Gnobody: emacs =] 
[03:22] <gloin_> but anyhow
[03:22] <gloin_> what do I want to add in there
[03:22] <EfaistOs> some problem with the sed pkg --> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[03:22] <EfaistOs> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[03:22] <Gnobody> change everything from warty to hoary
[03:22] <gloin_> ok
[03:22] <kensai> kapputu, you need to buy win4lin
[03:23] <EfaistOs> i've got this message when upgrading the system :-(
[03:23] <kensai> EfaistOs, see the topic
[03:23] <kensai> EfaistOs, sed is broken
[03:23] <kapputu> kensai: why not vmware
[03:23] <kensai> EfaistOs, thats the problem
[03:23] <EfaistOs> didnt see
[03:23] <EfaistOs> shit
[03:24] <gloin_> heh
[03:24] <Gnobody> why do you want to run a windows virtual machine kapputu?
[03:24] <kapputu> just as a backup
[03:24] <kensai> kapputu, I haven't tried vmware but I have heard very good things about win4lin
[03:24] <kapputu> I mean in the event that I have to run some windows application
[03:24] <gloin_> I've been using linux constantly since 1998 and this is the first distro I've used that's deb-based
[03:24] <kapputu> I don't want to go to Windows
[03:24] <kapputu> last time I went there, I got infected with a blaster
[03:25] <kensai> kapputu, good choice windows free
[03:25] <kapputu> haven't used Windows at home in a month
[03:25] <Gnobody> well you probably won't need to (honestly) I have found a single thing that without a small search around google that can't be done on Linux that can on Windows
[03:25] <kensai> kapputu, Hurray
[03:25] <Gnobody> have yet*
[03:25] <kapputu> I have always wanted to have linux only machines
[03:25] <Sensebend> Gnobody, Adobe CS
[03:25] <gloin_> kapputu: I've successfully used some wine or another for any application I've ever needed, and haven't used windows on my home or work desktop in over two years
[03:25] <Gnobody> ok one app
[03:25] <kapputu> but since I was in school, I din't have much time to poke around
[03:26] <Gnobody> I miss photoshop
[03:26] <Sensebend> Macromedia Studio MX 2004
[03:26] <PorscheBoy> Gnobody, can u give me the link to ubuntu apt-get repositories?
[03:26] <Gnobody> but you can use Wine for those
[03:26] <Gnobody> or atleast 7
[03:26] <gloin_> Sensebend: wrong - crossover supports studio mx 2k4
[03:26] <gloin_> =] 
[03:26] <kapputu> do you guys know of any good remote development IDE for linux?
[03:26] <Sensebend> really?
[03:26] <Sensebend> Crossover 4 does?
[03:26] <Gnobody> there isn't much difference between Photoshop 7 and CS
[03:26] <snerfu> hi
[03:27] <gloin_> Sensebend: there's no cx5 yet =] 
[03:27] <gloin_> hrm
[03:28] <Sensebend> there is quite a difference
[03:28] <Gnobody> did you get warty working yet gloin_??
[03:28] <gloin_> Gnobody: going hoary
[03:28] <kapputu> any1 using hoary?
[03:28] <gloin_> I somehow totally borked my xserver
[03:28] <gen> im using hoary kapputu
[03:28] <kapputu> any problems with it?
[03:28] <kensai> kapputu, 90% of us use hoary
[03:29] <Sensebend> automatic colour matching of seperate images for one
[03:29] <kensai> kapputu, we have a broken package right now
[03:29] <gen> it is..
[03:29] <Sensebend> Shadow/Highlight
[03:29] <kapputu> ok one of my machines will be blessed with hoary this weekend
[03:29] <gloin_> kensai: which package is broken?
[03:29] <magik> where abouts can i find the grub config file?
[03:29] <gen> sed
[03:29] <Sensebend> Photomerge
[03:29] <kensai> gloin_, firefox is already 1.0.2ubuntu2 in hoary I have it and is running rock solid
[03:29] <kapputu> sed is broken?
[03:30] <kensai> gloin_, sed is broken
[03:30] <gloin_> eek
[03:30] <crack> guys,
[03:30] <kapputu> is it not like a fundamental package?
[03:30] <Chibi> sed being broken sucks.
[03:30] <crack> thanks
[03:30] <Chibi> I lost my laptop due to sed being broken.
[03:30] <Chibi> ._.
[03:30] <kapputu> how?
[03:30] <kensai> kapputu, no but doesn't let you apt-get upgrade
[03:30] <crack> thoreauputic, dude, you have been sooo helpful. i owe you alot for opening my mind and helping me
[03:30] <crack> thanks
[03:30] <seek187> ?
[03:30] <gen> kensai: doesnt let you do anything
[03:30] <magik> where abouts can i find the grub config file?
[03:31] <seek187> Just install sed from warty
[03:31] <Chibi> Was setting up a new kernel at the time.
[03:31] <Sensebend> so my dist-upgrade will fail because sed is broken?
[03:31] <kensai> gen, LOL, not that much
[03:31] <seek187> magik, /boot/grub/menu.1st
[03:31] <gen> kensai: in terms of apt-get, yes
[03:31] <magik> seek187, thanks
[03:31] <Chibi> Yes, don't dist-upgrade right now.
[03:31] <kensai> magik, /boot/grub
[03:31] <seek187> magik, np
[03:31] <kensai> gen, youre right
[03:32] <kapputu> back to my prev question, I have been hunting for a good IDE for remote development
[03:32] <gloin_> hmm
[03:32] <gloin_> I'm doing upgrade right now
[03:32] <gloin_> wonder if it'll crap out
[03:32] <kensai> gloin_, it should explode only
[03:33] <kapputu> lol
[03:33] <kensai> ;P
[03:33] <seek187> lmao
[03:33] <gloin_> heh
[03:33] <gloin_> still downloading 500 files
[03:33] <kgill> can someone here help me with setting up my sound
[03:33] <seek187> gloin_, if if craps out just unmark sed
[03:33] <gloin_> so how the hell did someone break >sed< of all things?
[03:33] <gloin_> seek187: how do I unmark a specific package
[03:33] <kensai> gloin_, oh when you get to 499 it will start again because of sed
[03:34] <seek187> gloin_, I only know how to do it in Synaptic :/
[03:34] <oddabe19> yeah, how DO we fix this sed thing... more like, when's the new package gonne be on?
[03:34] <oddabe19> i read the thread
[03:34] <kensai> gloin_, just kidding but I recommend don't upgrade to hoary until tomorrow
[03:34] <seek187> oddabe19, you can install sed from warty
[03:34] <kapputu> kensai: is it going to be fixed tomm?
[03:34] <Sensebend> well I unmarked sed :)
[03:35] <gloin_> kensai: heh, upgrade is started...
[03:35] <seek187> me too
[03:35] <kensai> kapputu, yep, maybe
[03:35] <DCastMan> bold
[03:35] <Sensebend> continuing dist-upgrade
[03:35] <gloin_> anyone know how to unmark a package from the commandline?
[03:35] <DCastMan> underlined
[03:35] <kensai> gloin_, cancell it and continue it tomorrow
[03:35] <gloin_> kensai: I might as well go for it - I can't use X right now anyhow
[03:35] <gloin_> so I'm kind of stuck with the upgrade
[03:35] <Gnobody> "ow is that it's doesn't freeze my computer like ubuntu did
[03:35] <Gnobody> FTTP ubuntu didnt free"
[03:36] <kensai> gloin_, why can't you use x?
[03:36] <gloin_> kensai: because I trashed it trying to upgrade nvidia driver
[03:36] <gloin_> actually I think it was fine until i did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:36] <kensai> gloin_, weel xorg will fix it
[03:36] <kensai> gloin_, well*
[03:36] <gloin_> kensai: heh, assuming I can get to hoary tonight
[03:37] <Gnobody> sed is making it so I can't upgrade anymore
[03:37] <DCastMan> bold
[03:37] <DCastMan> underlined
[03:37] <gen> gnobody: yes we know
[03:37] <Gnobody> has anybody noticed this
[03:37] <gloin_> DCastMan: wha?
[03:37] <Gnobody> oh
[03:37] <gloin_> btw
[03:37] <Gnobody> is there a workaround?
[03:37] <gloin_> I can't connect to ubuntu forums
[03:37] <gen> read the topic
[03:37] <seek187> Gnobody, unmark it in Synaptic
[03:37] <gloin_> what's up with that?
[03:37] <gen> seek187, you aren't understanding him
[03:37] <Gnobody> it isn't marked
[03:38] <kensai> gloin_, maybe you can get hoary
[03:38] <gloin_> and can someone %Bplease%B tell me how to unmark a particular package when using the %Bcommandline%B instead of synaptic?
[03:38] <seek187> gen, probably not :P
[03:38] <gen> you can't just "unmark" it
[03:38] <seek187> Sure you can
[03:38] <gloin_> arglbargl
[03:38] <gloin_> no X server = no synaptic
[03:38] <jmhodges> has sed been fixed in hoary yet?
[03:38] <Agrajag> what about aptitude
[03:38] <seek187> no
[03:39] <gloin_> Agrajag: is aptitude cli-based?
[03:39] <Gnobody> yes
[03:39] <gloin_> ahh =] 
[03:39] <Gnobody> aptitude is
[03:39] <Agrajag> gloin_: yes, it's quite nice
[03:39] <gloin_> see, this is my first deb distro
[03:39] <gloin_> so deb is kind of a new world for me
[03:39] <jmhodges> seek187: that an answer to me?
[03:39] <gloin_> after all the attempts at rpm-management
[03:39] <kensai> jmhodges, nope
[03:39] <seek187> jmhodges, yes
[03:39] <jmhodges> ...
[03:39] <Gnobody> welcome to the real linux world gloin_
[03:39] <gloin_> lol hush
[03:39] <DCastMan> You know what's gay?
[03:39] <stuNNed> dirty fix to sed prob: zcat /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz > /usr/share/info/sed.info && apt-get install sed
[03:39] <jmhodges> fun fun :D
[03:39] <seek187> sed is still broke
[03:39] <jmhodges> gotcha
[03:39] <DCastMan> Master Chief
[03:39] <gloin_> well, downloads done
[03:39] <jmhodges> thanks searcher, kensai
[03:39] <jmhodges> erp
[03:39] <Agrajag> my warty CD was a bad burn, and since I couldn't get a couple of packages off of it (a couple xfree ones), the installer dropped me into aptitude to finish the install
[03:40] <gloin_> time to see sed crap out the upgrade if it'll happen
[03:40] <jmhodges> seek187: thanks
[03:40] <seek187> np
[03:40] <timello> hi there, How can I load a module on startup?
[03:40] <Agrajag> that was actually pretty well done, I thought
[03:40] <jmhodges> anyone know when the debian sync happens?
[03:40] <gloin_> crap!
[03:40] <gloin_> lol
[03:40] <gloin_> there itis
[03:40] <gloin_> of all the things lol
[03:40] <jmhodges> timello: /etc/modules
[03:40] <Gnobody> stuNNed as root I get "permission denied"
[03:40] <Sensebend> yeah strange
[03:41] <Sensebend> I imagine Xorg or something like that would be broken
[03:41] <Sensebend> but sed?
[03:41] <Sensebend> lol
[03:41] <timello> jmhodges, thx!
[03:41] <jmhodges> timello: np
[03:41] <DCastMan> sudo plz
[03:42] <DCastMan> format /gvg as ReiserFS
[03:42] <gloin_> oh fuck
[03:42] <gloin_> sorry, language
[03:42] <gloin_> but
[03:42] <gloin_> (#&$()&#R_(*#&$)*(#&$)(*@&!!!!!
[03:42] <DCastMan> format /gvg as ReiserFS please
[03:43] <DCastMan> somone do it for me
[03:43] <gloin_> I can't do squat with the broken sed package in the way
[03:43] <DCastMan> somebody please
[03:43] <Sensebend> gloin_, unmark sed
[03:44] <gloin_> Sensebend: I'm in cli
[03:44] <gloin_> unmarking sed is going to be difficult
[03:44] <Sensebend> aptitude
[03:44] <seek187> yeah aptitude good idea
[03:44] <Sensebend> kinda like synaptic but cli :)
[03:44] <gloin_> in base/main, eh?
[03:44] <seek187> yes
[03:45] <seek187> oh
[03:45] <gloin_> err, no
[03:45] <DCastMan> can some1 plz
[03:45] <EfaistOs> kensai, i took the sarge sed pkg and its okay now :)
[03:46] <gloin_> great
[03:46] <gloin_> sed is showing as half-configured
[03:46] <kapputu> any screenshots of xorg in hoary?
[03:46] <Agrajag> kapputu: they'd look exactly the same as xfree
[03:46] <Telep> kapputu: it will look exactly the same ;)
[03:46] <seek187> gloin_, it's fine just unmark it in aptitude like he said
[03:46] <kapputu> then why bother?
[03:46] <Agrajag> The only difference would be if you chose to play around with compose stuff
[03:46] <Agrajag> kapputu: it's a hell of a lot faster
[03:47] <EfaistOs> kapputu, and why not ? :)
[03:47] <kapputu> ic
[03:47] <seek187> If it all comes down to it then you can always install the warty one
[03:47] <Agrajag> what did you think it was going to do, gold-plate your windows?
[03:47] <kapputu> I never thought about what it was going to do
[03:47] <DCastMan> guys
[03:47] <DCastMan> please
[03:47] <jmhodges> DCastMan: whats up?
[03:47] <kapputu> Agrajag: why would you assume that I assumed that it would gold plate my windows?
[03:47] <gen> i think he is annoyed by the mindless blabber
[03:48] <DCastMan> help me format /gvg as reiserfs
[03:48] <gen> or not
[03:48] <kapputu> anyway why wasn't it used originally in warty
[03:48] <Agrajag> kapputu: I didn't assume that. I asked you if that's waht you expected.
[03:48] <Agrajag> kapputu: they wanted to wait for the non-monolithic release
[03:48] <Agrajag> but I think they don't want to wait that long now, or something
[03:48] <kapputu> what do you mean by non-monolithic
[03:48] <jmhodges> DCastMan: ok, /gvg is not what you want to format... instead, you want to format the partition or device that is mounted at /gvg
[03:49] <Agrajag> They're splitting up xorg into multiple sections, check out freedesktop.org for more info on that
[03:49] <Agrajag> it'll be based on kdrive I think
[03:49] <kapputu> what's kdrive?
[03:49] <gloin_> crap
[03:49] <gloin_> it wants the CDROM?
[03:49] <Telep> but the release is after Hoary
[03:49] <jmhodges> DCastMan: /gvg is just the "mount point".. the directory the device is told to "be under" so that the user can access it
[03:50] <kapputu> freedesktop.org was hacked
[03:50] <DCastMan> oh
[03:50] <Agrajag> kapputu: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html
[03:50] <jmhodges> DCastMan: the file (because all devices are considered files in linux) is somewhere in /dev
[03:50] <jmhodges> figure out what /dev file is mounted to /gvg and then we can talk :)
[03:50] <Telep> gloin_: you need to comment out the line involving the cd int /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:50] <Agrajag> anyway, the non-monolithic xorg will be based on kdrive with some other stuff on top
[03:51] <kapputu> ic
[03:51] <gloin_> Telep: thx
[03:51] <kapputu> thanks
[03:51] <kapputu> firefox 1.0 crashed on me a few times when it tried to use mplayer-plugin
[03:51] <kgill> anyone here know how to setup Gnomemeeting?
[03:54] <gloin_> can someone point me to an online tutorial or howto for aptitude?
[03:54] <gloin_> this program is about as intuitive as vi
[03:55] <seek187> gloin_, man aptitude?
[03:55] <DCastMan> Who is incharge of the Ubuntu project?
[03:55] <mike_douglas> Mark Shuttleworth
[03:55] <DCastMan> Thanks
[03:55] <Agrajag> Canonical, Inc.
[03:57] <Gmail> firefox crashes when ever i use any plug in
[03:57] <gloin_> CRAP
[03:57] <gloin_> I'm stuck as far as I can tell
[03:57] <gloin_> there's only one version of sed showing
[03:57] <gloin_> and it's the broken verison
[03:57] <gloin_> version*
[03:57] <gloin_> 4.1.2-2
[03:58] <gloin_> how the hell could sed be broken
[03:58] <gloin_> of all packages
[03:58] <gen> stop complaining
[03:58] <gloin_> sorry
[03:58] <gloin_> but my desktop is effectively down
[03:58] <gloin_> <--on laptop right now
[03:58] <scoon> gloin: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ or read the man pages on apt-get and dpkg
[03:58] <seek187> gloin_, just install the warty version of sed geesh
[04:00] <stuNNed> gloin_, it won't boot?
[04:00] <seek187> he messed up X..
[04:00] <gen> how exactly did you mess up X gloin
[04:01] <gloin_> hmm
[04:01] <gloin_> I changed my sources.list back to warty
[04:01] <gloin_> apt-get update pulled down some packages
[04:01] <gloin_> but still getting sed error
[04:01] <gloin_> where's it cached?
[04:01] <lupus_> apt-get clean?
[04:01] <lupus_> :p
[04:01] <thoreauputic> guys, just a gentle reminder: hoary is the development branch and things *will* break - if you can'y handle that, stick with warty
[04:02] <kensai> gloin_, i told you don't upgrade to hoary until tomorrow
[04:02] <seek187> gloin_, I got it off the cd and installed it with dpkg -i sed_4.1.2-1_i386.deb
[04:02] <regeya> grr.  Aaron Copland - El Saln Mxico.  Nice to see that neither Totem nor Rhythmbox can handle the extended characters in either the filename or the id3 tag.
[04:02] <gloin_> got it
[04:02] <gen> xmms? :)
[04:03] <gloin_> heh
[04:03] <regeya> don't know, don't want to know.
[04:03] <gen> xmms > *
[04:03] <regeya> wrong, but thanks for playing. ;-D
[04:03] <crimsun> regeya: what locale?
[04:03] <crimsun> technically UTF-8 is _not_ allowed in id3 tags
[04:03] <regeya> hm.
[04:03] <crimsun> however, vorbis comments use UTF-8 by default :)
[04:04] <regeya> heh
[04:04] <regeya> good point
[04:04] <gloin_> xmms makes Bjrk's name look interesting
[04:04] <DCastMan> Bjrk sucks
[04:04] <regeya> I should just use a vorbis-friendly player at work on OS X, and use vorbis at home, true.
[04:05] <gloin_> DCastMan: sacrelige!
[04:05] <Agrajag> woa I just put on some bjrk
[04:06] <gloin_> =] 
[04:06] <Agrajag> wait I'm fat and ugly :(
[04:06] <regeya> I don't suppose xmms supports replaygain tags in mp3s...
[04:07] <Agrajag> might be a plugin for it
[04:07] <regeya> hrm.
[04:08] <bratsche> Anyone here on amd64?
[04:08] <gloin_> I wish
[04:08] <Sensebend> well upgrade to hoary went fine
[04:08] <Sensebend> with sed unmarked
[04:08] <Sensebend> :)
[04:09] <gloin_> Sensebend: good to know =] 
[04:09] <gloin_> looks like my xserver is still broken
[04:09] <gloin_> I did manage to get xorg installed
[04:09] <crimsun> regeya: no, it doesn't, unfortunately
[04:10] <bratsche> I'm getting errors trying to update base-files.
[04:10] <crimsun> regeya: I just mp3gain all my mp3s
[04:10] <calc> bratsche: yea
[04:10] <gloin_> I'm going to have to try and figure out how to do a system upgrade from aptitude with sed unmarked...
[04:10] <bratsche> calc: Okay.. just checking to see if that's a known problem.  I'll try again tomorrow.
[04:11] <PorscheBoy> df
[04:11] <calc> bratsche: haven't booted into ubuntu in a few weeks, so haven't seen the issue
[04:11] <scoon> gloin_: check the link i gave you and you won't need to "figure out anything"
[04:12] <bratsche> calc: Well, I think it just started since Saturday.  I went out of town on Sunday morning and just got home today, and it just started for me.
[04:12] <linux_mafia> gloin_, i can tell you how to fix the sed thing if you want
[04:13] <gloin_> linux_mafia: yeah?  non-sarcasm?
[04:13] <scoon> gloin_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/
[04:13] <linux_mafia> gloin_, sarcasm?
[04:14] <gloin_> linux_mafia: you offered to help fix the sed thing - were you serious, or joking?
[04:14] <DCastMan> you guys are so racist
[04:14] <linux_mafia> gloin_, serious
[04:14] <gloin_> linux_mafia: cool... how?
[04:15] <kbreit> I'm in VMware with Ubuntu and it's not getting a DHCP addy.
[04:15] <thoreauputic> DCastMan: what on earth are you talking about?
[04:15] <DCastMan> oh nothing
[04:15] <gloin_> thoreauputic: I think he's referring to scoon
[04:15] <DCastMan> I'm leaving
[04:16] <gloin_> he left
[04:16] <linux_mafia> 1. dl wartys sed 2. extract the deb using dpkg-deb -x <package-name> <some-dir> 3. sudo cp <some-dir>/usr/share/info/sed.info.gz /usr/share/info
[04:16] <scoon> wait, what happened ? how did my name and racism get into play ?
[04:16] <gloin_> linux_mafia: thx
[04:17] <gloin_> scoon: "coon" is often used in a racist way - that's my best guess
[04:17] <kensai> scoon, lol I ask that myself
[04:17] <gloin_> but since he left without expatiating, we'll never know
[04:17] <scoon> funny, but my name is skip coon
[04:17] <gloin_> lol
[04:17] <gloin_> like I say, "best guess"
[04:17] <scoon> or care.  bastard
[04:17] <scoon> >:(
[04:17] <dcm> Excuse me
[04:18] <dcm> Could I get some signatures?
[04:18] <dcm> http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/
[04:18] <gloin_> ok wtf is going on here
[04:18] <linux_mafia> gloin_, btw, i found that info on forum, it worked for me, *BUT* it may be a bad thing to do, i dont know if it will affect anything later, im not a dev or a programmer, i assume its a safe hack, but ymmv
[04:19] <gloin_> linux_mafia: I couldn't get to the forum... so thanks!
[04:19] <gloin_> dcm: what the fuck is your point?
[04:19] <gloin_> or problem?
[04:19] <dcm> What do you mean?
[04:19] <linux_mafia> gloin_, i found it in a debian forum anyway
[04:19] <kapputu> any IDEs for remote development
[04:19] <scoon> dcm: there are only 2 siggys ?  also, are you trolling ?
[04:19] <gloin_> dcm: what is this bullshit about "eugenics"
[04:20] <linux_mafia> gloin_, oh and hows oin, and gimly etc
[04:20] <kapputu> any place where I'll get an answer for this question?
[04:20] <dcm> I just created that
[04:20] <scoon> kapputu: CVS ? RCS ?
[04:20] <gloin_> linux_mafia: haven't heard about oin, gimly is in some kind of mess involving elves... I don't wanna know to be honest
[04:20] <kapputu> cvs
[04:20] <gloin_> dcm: what the fuck is the point of that shit?
[04:20] <dcm> Read the description please and watch the language
[04:20] <linux_mafia> gloin_, in the hobbit, oin is gloin's son
[04:20] <kapputu> basically I just want to be able to work with files on a remote server
[04:21] <scoon> dcm: you better run and hide.  apparently you have pissed off the masses.
[04:21] <scoon> kapputu: cvs
[04:21] <gloin_> dcm: I read the description, and it's bullshit.  What are you getting at?  And don't come in here with that BS and then try to scold me about language.
[04:21] <mojo_> linux_mafia: can I PM with u about sed?
[04:21] <scoon> all right all, racist scoon is rac-ing to get out and go to sleep.
[04:21] <scoon> good nite all, it has been fun again.
[04:22] <linux_mafia> dcm, wtf, why dont you ask for it to be called "whitepower linux"
[04:22] <dcm> I'm sorry you feel that way gloin
[04:22] <linux_mafia> can someone ban this fucker?
[04:22] <gloin_> dcm: then tell us, what exactly is your point?
[04:22] <seek187> dcm, Black people can't use linux?
[04:22] <dcm> "Whitepower Linux" how shallow
[04:22] <gloin_> you seem to think that there is something racist about ubuntu
[04:22] <gloin_> justify
[04:22] <gloin_> or leave
[04:23] <gloin_> and take your bullshit with you
[04:23] <dcm> Obviously, their greasy fingers slip off the keys
[04:23] <seek187> you're an idiot
[04:23] <kensai> dcm, you better hide man
[04:23] <dcm> Why?
[04:23] <kensai> dcm, your going to get kill virtually
[04:23] <kapputu> dcm fo
[04:24] <dcm> Please do not use petty insults
[04:24] <kapputu> yeah you are not worth it
[04:24] <gloin_> dcm: then justify your action
[04:24] <stuNNed> may i suggest /ignore ? :)
[04:24] <kensai> dcm, your petition is an insult as much as it is a good joke but it's not april 1
[04:24] <dcm> I'm sorry
[04:24] <dcm> You don't have to sign it
[04:24] <Gnobody> why did you post
[04:24] <Gnobody> it
[04:24] <Gnobody> ?
[04:25] <dcm> I was looking for signatures
[04:25] <lancelott> hi
[04:25] <Gnobody> why?
[04:25] <kapputu> dcm reveal yourself?
[04:25] <Gnobody> what is wrong with Ubuntu?
[04:25] <dcm> Reveal myself?
[04:25] <gloin_> dcm: you joined as DCastMan and then left accusing people of racism, now you're back with this petition
[04:25] <gloin_> what the fuck is your problem?
[04:25] <seek187> You're racist petition will not change anything no matter how many people sign it
[04:25] <kapputu> if you think your action is justified, why don't you tell us who you are
[04:25] <kensai> dcm, you have your signature and your brothers already thats the only two you'll get LOL
[04:25] <dcm> I doubt it
[04:26] <dcm> I will get more
[04:26] <gloin_> dcm: you joined as DCastMan and then left accusing people of racism, now you're back with this petition
[04:26] <Agrajag> no, you won't
[04:26] <gen> i signed, with the name "fuck you", ok dcm?
[04:26] <lancelott> gloin_: gj spamming
[04:26] <kapputu> I pray that you get into some sort of discomfort soon
[04:26] <dcm> No I didn't.
[04:26] <Sensebend> let's just ignore this blatent troll
[04:26] <s0cks> Heya people. What is this channel for?
[04:26] <kapputu> for killing racists
[04:26] <Agrajag> why does it call the black woman african american anyway
[04:26] <Agrajag> how do you know she's american
[04:26] <kensai> dcm, vah go to hell and keep using Windows
[04:26] <dcm> Please no
[04:26] <Sensebend> s0cks, support, general discussion
[04:27] <UdontKnow> s0cks: for the ubuntu linux distribution, I assume
[04:27] <dcm> I would like to use Ubuntu but I can't until this petition is passed
[04:27] <war2> s0cks: about ubuntu linux distribution
[04:27] <gloin_> dcm: and why not?
[04:27] <seek187> lol omg
[04:27] <dcm> Because I don't feel that it accurately represents the Linux world
[04:27] <jdub> guys
[04:27] <seek187> You're so sad
[04:27] <jdub> please just ignore it
[04:27] <kensai> LOL
[04:27] <stuNNed> this guy is obviously a troll
[04:27] <kensai> kick that bastard already
[04:27] <dcm> No
[04:28] <Agrajag> obviously dcm is a rising star in the KKK and can't bear to use anything with a black woman on it
[04:28] <gen> dcm, shut the fuck up
[04:28] <dcm> I live in a house, not under a bridge
[04:28] <jdub> gen: please ignore it, don't contribute
[04:28] <UdontKnow> okay, guys
[04:28] <s0cks> Indeed. Just ignore him.
[04:28] <stuNNed> see part of topic ->offtopic -> #ubuntu-offtopic please, go there to talk about this kind of crap.
[04:28] <s0cks> I am a Red Hat person. Convince me to change.
[04:28] <dcm> This is on topic
[04:28] <s0cks> :P
[04:28] <dcm> This a room about Ubuntu Linux
[04:28] <s0cks> I want opinions on what distro to move into.
[04:28] <gloin_> jdub: please kickban
[04:28] <Sensebend> s0cks, apt-get :)
[04:28] <dcm> The petition is about Ubuntu Linux
[04:28] <seek187> s0cks, no rpm's :P
[04:28] <Agrajag> Sensebend: you can use apt in redhat though
[04:29] <Sensebend> yeah true
[04:29] <Sensebend> but it's easier just to use a debian based distro
[04:29] <dcm> So
[04:29] <Agrajag> It's a much easier setup process
[04:29] <stuNNed> jmhodges, lol
[04:29] <dcm> Am I getting any signatures here?
[04:29] <s0cks> I was thinking of doing Mandrake
[04:29] <Sensebend> nice little community too
[04:29] <kensai> s0cks, Ubuntu is great man the change from red hat to ubuntu is good I've done it myself
[04:29] <s0cks> Why do i need an easier setup? It is already setup.
[04:29] <Sensebend> I switch from debian sarge to ubuntu
[04:29] <Agrajag> s0cks: oh god mandrake is a buggy piece of shit
[04:29] <Agrajag> my opinion, of course.
[04:29] <kensai> Mandrake = BUGS
[04:29] <gen> mandrake is a very bloated
[04:29] <Sensebend> Mandrake is good for multimedia though
[04:30] <jdub> guys
[04:30] <Agrajag> Sensebend: what
[04:30] <dcm> Alright then
[04:30] <UdontKnow> hmmm
[04:30] <s0cks> hmm... How about fedora?
[04:30] <dcm> Thank you for your inhostility.
[04:30] <jdub> leave out the distro discussion too please
[04:30] <gloin_> jesus
[04:30] <s0cks> Ok. Sorry. Looking for common opinion.
[04:30] <thoreauputic> #ubuntu-offtopic for distro wars
[04:30] <s0cks> I might switch though.
[04:30] <Agrajag> s0cks: eh, pretty buggy too from what I understand.
[04:30] <Agrajag> anyway
[04:30] <Agrajag> give it a try
[04:30] <Sensebend> Fedora Core 3 isn't too bad
[04:30] <Agrajag> hm
[04:30] <s0cks> Can you cluster with this?
[04:31] <Agrajag> anything you can do in linux, you can do in ubuntu
[04:31] <deang> can someone give me a URL to the installation screen that described the root password?
[04:31] <UdontKnow> racism is not really ontopic on the whole network. I'll have a chat with dcm
[04:31] <s0cks> Root pass is for all admin usage.
[04:31] <gloin_> why he was not banned outright is what I wanna know...
[04:31] <s0cks> Basically your all access pass.
[04:31] <Agrajag> deang: what do you mean
[04:31] <Agrajag> s0cks: there is no root password in a default ubuntu install
[04:31] <s0cks> I got spammed a swastika and he got no punishment from freenode.
[04:31] <deang> well, I didn't read that screen. :P  And not sure what to use when I sudo.  Must I re-install?
[04:31] <jdub> gloin_: because there is no point responding unless it gets ridiculous.
[04:32] <UdontKnow> s0cks: uh? who are you talking about?
[04:32] <jdub> gloin_: and i would ask you to not encourage it by responding ni future.
[04:32] <s0cks> msg me udontknow
[04:32] <Agrajag> deang: no
[04:32] <UdontKnow> s0cks: mind moving this to pm or to #freenode?
[04:32] <Agrajag> deang: you use your user's password
[04:32] <jdub> deang: there's a FAQ about it on the website.
[04:32] <linux_mafia> jdub, do you still do bluetooth packages in your own repo, or are they just in the main repos now?
[04:32] <kapputu> ok I have Ubuntu on my laptop
[04:32] <Agrajag> sudo <whatever> then give the password you always use
[04:32] <jdub> linux_mafia: they're in my repo, but not updated
[04:32] <kapputu> when I shut it down, the laptop power LED doesn't go off
[04:33] <Agrajag> you CAN set a root password, but I don't reccommend it
[04:33] <kapputu> I have to manually power it off
[04:33] <s0cks> AFK at the moment. Attending to other networks and such.
[04:33] <seek187> My laptop does that too
[04:33] <Agrajag> kapputu: is acpid running?
[04:34] <gen> night kensai
[04:34] <seek187> Agrajag, acpid would fix that?
[04:34] <Agrajag> if you don't have acpi support working it won't shut down itself
[04:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, ok, just ive noticed, and i guess it must be a kernel/bluez.. thing, that when i plug in my usb bt dongle, my box starts working hard out, i can see the temp rise, and hear the fan revving up, but top etc show nothing taxing the cpu
[04:34] <Agrajag> seek187: well no, acpid would be dead at that point, but if acpid is running then kernel acpi support is probably working
[04:34] <linux_mafia> jdub, this only happened recently
[04:35] <jdub> deang: go to the website, type 'root' into the search box
[04:35] <seek187> I see
[04:35] <linux_mafia> maybe a hoary issue
[04:35] <thoreauputic> bonobo: root deang
[04:35] <bonobo> deang: The reason ubuntu uses sudo instead of a root account is explained on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:35] <kapputu> Agrajag: how do I get acpi working?
[04:35] <kapputu> bonobo: thoreauputic
[04:35] <Agrajag> kapputu: search me, it Just Worked for me
[04:36] <Agrajag> try the forums/wiki if nobody else here can help
[04:37] <Agrajag> sup dukeku
[04:37] <dukeku> well hi
[04:37] <zenwhen_> hi
[04:37] <deang> Thanks! :D
[04:38] <s0cks> Ok. I might try ubuntu. Is there a way I can get a boxed distro?
[04:38] <Agrajag> s0cks: you can order a free CD
[04:38] <Agrajag> I think
[04:38] <stuNNed> s0cks, you can request free cd's to be shipped to you.
[04:38] <Agrajag> unless they've closed that to new orders
[04:39] <s0cks> Ok. Linky?
[04:39] <s0cks> I want it now.
[04:39] <Telep> I thought they stopped that, the website says 12 Nov
[04:39] <s0cks> :P
[04:39] <Sensebend> I still haven't recieved mine
[04:39] <Agrajag> http://www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[04:39] <Telep> i got mine today
[04:39] <Sensebend> ordered early october
[04:39] <Agrajag> s0cks: you'd get it faster by downloading though, honestly
[04:39] <Agrajag> even on 56k
[04:39] <Sensebend> yeah I want to pass them out though
[04:39] <s0cks> token?
[04:39] <Agrajag> zenwhen: did you ever get yours
[04:39] <Sensebend> to people
[04:39] <Telep> s0cks: if you're in Finland, I'll send you one of mine ;)
[04:40] <s0cks> USA
[04:40] <zenwhen> Nope
[04:40] <s0cks> What is the token?
[04:40] <zenwhen> I downloaded Ubuntu on my DIALUP connection.
[04:40] <Telep> huh
[04:40] <zenwhen> Rather that wait.
[04:40] <Agrajag> s0cks: you nee dto create an account
[04:41] <Sensebend> whoa that's patience
[04:41] <Agrajag> If you already have an account you can enter your email address and password here to update your information. If you have received a CD, you can use the "token" on your CD mailing address label to edit the same information.
[04:41] <s0cks> 10 cds coming at me.
[04:41] <s0cks> One for me, 9 for my CET class.
[04:41] <s0cks> :P
[04:41] <gloin_> linux_mafia: thanks =] 
[04:42] <gloin_> for some reason the sed-info.gz was weird
[04:42] <s0cks> Ok. You converted me :P
[04:42] <bratsche> Do you guys who are using Xorg have xf86vmode.h?
[04:42] <s0cks> UPDATE: Due to overwhelming demand, the Ubuntu CD Distribution System will NOT close to new orders for Warty CDs as previously announced. Order yours now! See the CD FAQ for more info.
[04:42] <s0cks> hmm... That answered someones comment.
[04:42] <linux_mafia> gloin_, so you sorted now?
[04:43] <NeoThermic> hmm, this distro looks intresting
[04:43] <gloin_> linux_mafia: we'll see... but apt-get upgrade is now working
[04:43] <zenwhen> Whoa
[04:43] <zenwhen> it says they shipped me 10 cds
[04:43] <zenwhen> 2004-11-08 22:51:01.57  	10
[04:43] <zenwhen> but that was like ten days ago
[04:43] <zenwhen> wonder where they shipped them from?
[04:43] <linux_mafia> gloin_, the "OSS Tony Soprano" always helps his "family", heh
[04:43] <gloin_> hehe
[04:44] <s0cks> Anywhere on the eastern Seaboard of the US is fine by me.
[04:44] <s0cks> :P
[04:44] <Agrajag> hmm
[04:44] <gloin_> hey s0cks why the heck is it the anything-"board" anyhow?
[04:44] <Agrajag> maybe I should order some and throw them at people at the next lug meeting
[04:45] <s0cks> Wow... I am going to give 8 to my CET class. The other one is going into the potato cannon.
[04:45] <s0cks> :P
[04:45] <s0cks> jk
[04:45] <Sensebend> what do you guys use for OGM files in Linux?
[04:45] <Agrajag> xine and totem
[04:46] <Agrajag> totem-xine, not totem-gstreamer
[04:46] <gloin_> gmplayer =] 
[04:46] <zenwhen> Im going to sell mine at a flea market YEE HAW its like WInders only better
[04:46] <Agrajag> I find gstreamer to be unbearably buggy
[04:46] <Agrajag> lmao
[04:46] <NeoThermic> hrm
[04:46] <gen> sensebend: mplayer or vlc, i use both equally pretty much...both play anything
[04:46] <Sensebend> does Ubuntu take donations through the mail?
[04:46] <s0cks> Who here custom built their kernal?
[04:47] <NeoThermic> uhm, I take it I should grab the install-i386.iso file?
[04:47] <linux_mafia> s0cks, me
[04:47] <Agrajag> NeoThermic: yes, unless you use a ppc or amd64 processor
[04:47] <gloin_> s0cks: I did nothing but custom-build my kernel for the first two years I used linux =] 
[04:47] <NeoThermic> nope. the test bed will only be a P4 3GHz with HT
[04:48] <NeoThermic> hrm, about 3 hours to get
[04:49] <gen> i got it in a few minutes from college connection :)
[04:49] <s0cks> Is dual booting ubuntu easy?
[04:50] <stuNNed> is it easy to install a custom built kernel in ubuntu/debian?
[04:50] <PorscheBoy> can someone give me the link to ubuntu repositories?
[04:51] <gloin_> holy net.split, batman!  Grab your reconnect macro!
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: yes-ish but generally not recommended for the novice
[04:51] <gloin_> and laugh at this in the meantime: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20041114.html
[04:52] <gloin_> heh
[04:52] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, because of stupid linuxant hsf modem driver probly need to do it on laptop, oh well, will learn :)
[04:52] <gloin_> apt-get upgrade takes a while =] 
[04:53] <gloin_> reckon it's worth a reboot after all this
[04:55] <Gmail> lol
[04:56] <Gmail> Windows 95/98, (n): 32 bit extension and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprossessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.
[04:57] <Agrajag> huh
[05:01] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: that would be funny if I hadn't heard it before many times and if you spelt microprocessor correctly
[05:01] <linux_mafia> heh
[05:01] <kgill> can some asist me with setting up gnomemeeting?
[05:01] <kgill> I am having audio device problems
[05:01] <Gmail> its the topix for ##windows
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> Gmail: tell them they're incapability to spell reflects badly upon their also bad choice of operating systems
[05:02] <seek187> yay my laptop powers off now
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> er
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> their
[05:02] <Agrajag> seek187: was it acpi?
[05:02] <HrdwrBoB> not they're
[05:03] <seek187> that was running just had to add acpi=force in grub
[05:03] <Agrajag> ah
[05:08] <Sensebend> how big is a standard ubuntu install?
[05:08] <Sensebend> of warty
[05:09] <thoreauputic> 1.8 gig IIRC
[05:09] <Sensebend> hmm
[05:09] <Sensebend> that sucks
[05:09] <Gmail> UdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow
[05:10] <UdontKno1> Gmail: heh
[05:10] <Sensebend> A friend has a Compaq Armada with a 1.4GB HDD
[05:10] <thoreauputic> Sensebend: time to install Debian, I think
[05:11] <Sensebend> recommending sarge to him
[05:11] <NeoThermic> well, thats standerd, skip a few things and I'm sure it will fit
[05:11] <Invisible_Optiks> so, yeah, I grabbed what I think is warty from gnoppix's website.  So am I right from reading that there is no install script for it included in the latest version or did I totally whiff on it?
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Invisible_Optiks: no hard drive install from the live CD
[05:12] <Gmail> UdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Gmail: have you actually bothered to do a /whois on that nick?
[05:13] <deang> can someone direct me to the linux n00b channel?
[05:13] <gloin_> man
[05:13] <gloin_> deang: ##linux
[05:13] <kgill> how can I change the name of my machine?
[05:13] <gloin_> my xserver is still broken =[
[05:13] <gloin_> even after upgrading to hoary
[05:13] <Invisible_Optiks> thoreauputic:  Ok, gotcha.  Is there like a one cd install cd that is just like the livecd?  Mainly because, I had Sarge on this laptop, but it got destroyed on purpose.  Now I'm looking to put a debian variant back on and was thinking that a one cd install like ubuntu would be nice
[05:14] <s0cks> Yo. My setup is officially ghetto.
[05:14] <skeletor> Haha you suck
[05:14] <gloin_> lol
[05:14] <Gmail> thoreauputic: --- UdontKno1 :No such nick/channel
[05:14] <s0cks> 2.4 ghz is the anti-awesome.
[05:14] <s0cks> 3.2 with HT tech.
[05:14] <gloin_> lol, welcome back dcm
[05:14] <seek187> oh great
[05:15] <Sensebend> actually recommended DSL
[05:15] <Sensebend> with a HDD instal
[05:15] <s0cks> Which one is DCM?
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Gmail: that would be because he just changed it?
[05:15] <Sensebend> install
[05:15] <UdontKnow> s0cks: just check the hostname
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Gmail
[05:15] <s0cks> Ah. Got it.
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Gmail: - UdontKnow has quit (Nick collision from services.)
[05:15] <thoreauputic> --- UdontKno1 is now known as UdontKnow
[05:15] <skeletor> ?
[05:16] <gloin_> well
[05:16] <gloin_> he hasn't been k-lined, so I guess he promised to knock it off
[05:16] <Gmail> thoreauputic: I AM NOT STUPID <<<err caps lock
[05:16] <thoreauputic> Gmail: really?
[05:16] <skeletor> gloin_ you are a retardeds
[05:17] <s0cks> I gotta contribute cause I want a project host. So I gotta make a project. :(
[05:17] <skeletor> sf.net
[05:17] <skeletor> http://sf.net
[05:17] <gloin_> skeletor: huh?
[05:18] <s0cks> ubuntu... No hostmask.
[05:18] <eruin> apart from the fact that my language mysteriously changed from norwegian to danish after installing, I'm impressed :)
[05:18] <s0cks> Hey udontknow, how do I apply to get a official project hostmask?
[05:19] <s0cks> WOW! Debian is German.
[05:19] <gloin_> ja!
[05:19] <skeletor> hey s0cks
[05:19] <eruin> lol
[05:19] <skeletor> where is sh0es?
[05:19] <eruin> okay
[05:19] <eruin> gaim is danish, xchat is swedish and gnometerminal is norwegian
[05:20] <s0cks> In your mom skeletor.
[05:20] <skeletor> OMGLOLMOMJOKE
[05:20] <gloin_> and linux is finnish =] 
[05:20] <skeletor> URSO ORIGINAL
[05:20] <eruin> kind of freaking me out
[05:20] <eruin> add firefox: english
[05:20] <s0cks> OMG OMG SOMEONE USES SHORTHAND!
[05:20] <thoreauputic> skeletor: stop it
[05:20] <gloin_> eruin: british?
[05:20] <gen> negative
[05:21] <eruin> I don't see any words that enable me to make out if it's english or american
[05:21] <eruin> err british
[05:21] <gloin_> eruin: heh
[05:21] <s0cks> .:. Olde English < New English .:.
[05:21] <eruin> anyway, british is proper english ;>
[05:21] <gloin_> eruin: not anymore it isn't
[05:21] <gen> nooo
[05:22] <gloin_> maybe about 400 years ago it might have been
[05:22] <gloin_> but y'all bastardized it to death =P
[05:22] <s0cks> British speak is not to be known as 'ebonics'.
[05:22] <eruin> oh the irony
[05:22] <s0cks> Ebonics is now to be known as 'thug'
[05:22] <gloin_> West Coast US English is as close to Dictionary Standard as there is.
[05:22] <gloin_> s0cks: shush
[05:23] <s0cks> gloin_ : K.
[05:23] <eruin> gloin_, ever taked to a linguistics professor at oxford, have you? ;P
[05:23] <skeletor> wtf
[05:23] <gloin_> eruin: hehe, the syntax of your sentence leaves a lot to the imagination...
[05:23] <s0cks> gloin_ : Ever used knoppix by any chance?
[05:23] <gloin_> s0cks: yeah
[05:23] <skeletor> someone set you up the bomb
[05:23] <thoreauputic> heh - guys, #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[05:23] <gloin_> thoreauputic: sorry =] 
[05:23] <skeletor> thoreauputic has a mangina
[05:23] <s0cks> Thoreuputic : Really hard name dude, sorry.
[05:24] <s0cks> Thats it.
[05:24] <s0cks> Skeletor is on Permignore.
[05:24] <skeletor> roflrofl
[05:24] <eruin> die, sed.
[05:24] <thoreauputic> s0cks: tab completion ;)
[05:24] <skeletor> oh no I am so sadddd :<
[05:24] <gloin_> eruin: there's a way around it
[05:24] <AwayDip> s0cks, try Gnoppix
[05:24] <AwayDip> it's an ubuntu livecd
[05:24] <eruin> shoosh, I don't want sed! :P
[05:24] <eruin> I like the grub on the livecd
[05:24] <AwayDip> :P
[05:24] <eruin> just got a pack of 10 cds in the mail today
[05:24] <eruin> ;p
[05:24] <gloin_> eruin: rm -f /usr/share/info/sed-info.gz and gunzip the sed-info-1 in its place
[05:24] <gloin_> then you can proceed as normal
[05:24] <skeletor> rm -f /
[05:24] <s0cks> I am getting a pack of 10 whenever I get them.
[05:24] <skeletor> owned
[05:25] <eruin> I miss root
[05:25] <skeletor> is it true?
[05:25] <s0cks> I miss Binaries.
[05:25] <skeletor> is it true guys?
[05:25] <gen> I miss my daddy
[05:25] <Rene_S> Woot, I found a program thats gonna help my wife break free of her windows addiction
[05:25] <s0cks> Been in Windows for a while now, because of CS. I use it for games.
[05:26] <skeletor> is it true guys?
[05:26] <gen> cs haha
[05:26] <thoreauputic> skeletor: do you have anything remotely relevant to contribute?
[05:26] <s0cks> Rene_s : Linux to Windows Emulation. She will never know the difference.
[05:26] <skeletor> That you are all bunny hoppers
[05:26] <skeletor> bam bam hoppin like bunnies
[05:26] <gloin_> s0cks: I play plenty of windows games, don't have a windows partition to be found
[05:26] <skeletor> thoreauputic: do you have anything remotely not gay?
[05:26] <skeletor> Ohmer, ofcourse not
[05:27] <s0cks> Oh yeah. Plus I kinda like the Wireless Networking for quick transfers to my sister's computer.
[05:27] <Rene_S> I got Codeweavers Crossover office, she liked that
[05:27] <eruin> gloin_, um, gunzip sed.info-1.gz, not just rename it?
[05:27] <s0cks> I need The Gimp and I am in my windows partition :(
[05:27] <gloin_> eruin: that would probably work =] 
[05:27] <AwayDip> fuck
[05:27] <Agrajag> s0cks: so install it
[05:28] <s0cks> Agrajag : I am in Windows.
[05:28] <eruin> so install it
[05:28] <AwayDip> I had a problem with apt-get upgrade and sed last night and today it's still happening under hoary
[05:28] <s0cks> I have it in my other partition.
[05:28] <AwayDip> No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'.
[05:28] <seek187> They make Gimp for windows
[05:28] <s0cks> Don't wanna install it.
[05:28] <AwayDip> install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): unable to determine description for `dir' entry - giving up
[05:28] <AwayDip> dpkg: error processing sed (--configure):
[05:28] <AwayDip>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:28] <eruin> so download it
[05:28] <geppy> Ubuntu's binaries for ALSA don't seem to work.  Suggestions?
[05:28] <eruin> AwayDip, /topic
[05:29] <AwayDip> ah
[05:29] <gloin_> AwayDip: there's a solution for it =] 
[05:29] <AwayDip> that's what I get from not doing a /topic before opening my hole
[05:29] <gloin_> linux_mafia is the man!
[05:29] <AwayDip> gloin how so?
[05:30] <Rene_S> What is sed ?
[05:30] <gloin_> AwayDip: look in /usr/share/info
[05:30] <Agrajag> stream editor
[05:30] <gloin_> Rene_S: Stream EDitor
[05:30] <s0cks> brb
[05:30] <Rene_S> Ah, never used it
[05:31] <Agrajag> Rene_S: no, but your OS does
[05:31] <GotD0t> anybody know of a good text to speech app?
[05:31] <Agrajag> GotD0t: festival
[05:31] <Rene_S> I see, that could suck then if its broken
[05:31] <GotD0t> agrajag: thanks
[05:32] <Gmail> you can still order cds
[05:32] <Gmail> UPDATE: Due to overwhelming demand, the Ubuntu CD Distribution System will NOT close to new orders for Warty CDs as previously announced. Order yours now! See the CD FAQ for more info.
[05:32] <s0cks> Gmail : I established that earlier.
[05:32] <s0cks> How do they fund that sort of thing. CD's aren't cheap.
[05:33] <skeletor> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=20559#post20559
[05:33] <s0cks> 10 a person, consider.... 100 a month. 1000 cds a month.
[05:33] <s0cks> That takes not a short time to burn.
[05:33] <Agrajag> 100 hell
[05:33] <Rene_S> The wife is gonna so love Ubuntu and Crossover office,   I may even get some .....
[05:33] <billytwowilly> skeletor, That is awesome.
[05:34] <s0cks> I'll check out crossover office.
[05:34] <Agrajag> they probably press them, in larger amounts
[05:34] <s0cks> She is going to have to learn a bit though
[05:34] <s0cks> Not an easy transition.
[05:34] <Agrajag> it's be faster and cheaper than burning CDRs, I'd imagine
[05:34] <AwayDip> ok
[05:34] <billytwowilly> eugenics linux. Hilarious.
[05:34] <AwayDip> fixed sed for now
[05:34] <AwayDip> mv /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.old ; cp /usr/share/info/sed.info-1.gz /usr/share/info/sed.info.gz ; apt-get upgrade
[05:34] <Agrajag> s/it's/it'd/
[05:34] <AwayDip> thanks gloin_
[05:34] <Rene_S> I did it in a weekend, for her needs I can just handle it for her
[05:35] <s0cks> Rene_S : Hunny, how on earth do I get into the start menu!?
[05:35] <eruin> arrrrrrrr
[05:36] <Rene_S> She wont need too, I am gonna customize her desktop so that isnt an issue
[05:36] <Gmail> DOWN WITH http://www.petitiononline.com/ubl1111/petition.html
[05:36] <eruin> I think rhythmbox uses LATVIAN
[05:36] <Gmail> black people can use linux
[05:36] <gloin_> idiots
[05:36] <eruin> why does every program I start use a different language? :P
[05:36] <Rene_S> Hell she doesnt use it now as it is
[05:36] <Gmail> white people seem to use winbloat
[05:36] <gloin_> he's just a troll
[05:36] <AwayDip> "Rene_S The wife is gonna so love Ubuntu and Crossover office,   I may even get some ....."
[05:37] <seek187> here we go again :/
[05:37] <Gmail> but i do argee that the circle of people looks gay
[05:37] <s0cks> A rule agains black people using linux, Who's idea was this?
[05:37] <AwayDip> she's your wife and getting some is questionable?
[05:37] <BeanDip> sad....
[05:37] <gloin_> Gmail, s0cks, dummies, he left
[05:37] <s0cks> awaydip : submit that to whatchamacholit.com
[05:37] <BeanDip> she must have married you for a greencard
[05:37] <Rene_S> Yeah, after 10 years ya start having to check the temperature of things before ya dive in
[05:38] <billytwowilly> BeanDip, you obviously haven't been married for a long time;)
[05:38] <stuNNed> Rene_S, lol
[05:38] <nyqo> is crossover office available for free or is it pay only?
[05:38] <s0cks> How did he get 9 signitures?
[05:38] <m_tthew> I used to have functional line-in :(
[05:38] <BrittBS> hrm, did gnome-screenshot get removed?
[05:38] <geppy> nyqo:  temporary demo -- free
[05:38] <gen> s0cks, signing his own
[05:38] <billytwowilly> nyqo, pay only. Unless you want to pirate it, which is obviously bad
[05:38] <s0cks> I wish I knew what school he could go to. Print it out and stick a sign on his back.
[05:38] <geppy> BrittBS:  "Computer"  > "Take Screenshot"
[05:38] <PorscheBoy> damn...after trying out pure Debian Sarge today i found out that it doesn't have gnome 2.8 :(
[05:38] <Rene_S> I got mine off Fastrack, to test,  The newest version is pay
[05:38] <nyqo> geppy: where do you get the demo?
[05:39] <m_tthew> now (with Hoary), I have a lot of fancy video this and IEC958 that, but not functional line-in.
[05:39] <BrittBS> geppy, not on my desktop, which is newish hoary
[05:39] <geppy> nyqo:  Same place you get the pay version.  Codeweavers.com, or something like that.
[05:39] <s0cks> Petition.com auta have a use policy.
[05:39] <nyqo> geppy: thx
[05:39] <s0cks> AFK for the night.
[05:40] <Rene_S> I tested out that Cedega thing they had free for 15 days, It was nice
[05:40] <PorscheBoy> by the way, did they fix the slow Desktop refresh problem with the latest hoary?
[05:40] <m_tthew> BrittBS: I lost screenshot as well, I would assume it'll be back eventually.
[05:40] <cryptomatt> hey guys
[05:41] <cryptomatt> can anyone help me out with bluetooth issues?
[05:41] <gen> whats the problem
[05:41] <geppy> Ubuntu's binaries for ALSA don't seem to work.  Suggestions?
[05:41] <BrittBS> m_tthew, ok not just me then :) wonder if it was a design thing ... I'm sure it doesn't have a rediculous ammount of use cased for joe blow but I find it pretty handy
[05:41] <cryptomatt> when i try to attach my usb dongle to the comp
[05:42] <crimsun> geppy: eh?
[05:42] <crimsun> geppy: where/how does it fail?
[05:42] <PorscheBoy> BrittBS, r u having slow refresh problems with ur Desktop window?
[05:42] <cryptomatt> i have to execute hcid and sdpd to enable it
[05:42] <gloin_> hmm
[05:42] <geppy> crimsun:  Isn't detected when compiling things not in the repository.
[05:42] <gloin_> my xserver is >not working<
[05:43] <billytwowilly> gloin_, are you running hoary or warty?
[05:43] <cryptomatt> it is possible for me to trap the the USB connect of my dongle and write a script which will start these commands
[05:43] <crimsun> geppy: come again? Are you saying ALSA isn't detected when compiling programs that depend on ALSA?
[05:43] <cryptomatt> i meant, trapping the usb connect event
[05:43] <BrittBS> PorscheBoy, no
[05:43] <crimsun> geppy: dpkg -l libasound2-dev|grep ^ii
[05:43] <gloin_> billytwowilly: I'm on hoary now, broke it using warty
[05:43] <crimsun> (ii  libasound2-dev 1.0.7-0.1)
[05:43] <PorscheBoy> r u runnning the latest hoary?
[05:44] <billytwowilly> gloin_, I don't know then. I was going to say you probably borked it updating to xorg..
[05:44] <geppy> crimsun:  "No packages found matching libasound2-dev."  what did the "^ii" do with grep?
[05:44] <gloin_> "Symbol __glXgetActtiveScreen from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved!"
[05:44] <BrittBS> cryptomatt, i'm not sure if there's an easy way, but if you really want to dive in you could write something that catches the dbus signal
[05:44] <m_tthew> BrittBS : did you lose your ability to listen to your line in, by any chance?
[05:44] <gloin_> billytwowilly: actually, I broke it doing a dpkg-configure right after I upgraded my nvidia driver
[05:44] <billytwowilly> gloin_, I dunno.. sorry.
[05:45] <crimsun> geppy: that's why it's "not detected". You didn't install the header files and static libs.
[05:45] <cryptomatt> brittbs, and how do i catch the dbus signal..
[05:45] <geppy> crimsun:  Right, thanks. =D I've now installed that, and it's working.  Just out of curiousity, though, what did that "^ii"  do with the grep command?
[05:45] <BeanDip> BrittBS, I'm running a very up to date hoary, no gnome-panel-screenshot capplet here either, pressing the printscreen key gives an error popup that the executeable file is missing
[05:45] <crimsun> geppy: search for leading 'ii' string
[05:46] <BeanDip> you might want to submit a bug report
[05:46] <geppy> crimsun:  Thanks.  :)
[05:46] <crimsun> geppy: 'ii' of course indicating that the package is installed
[05:46] <thoreauputic> gloin_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    maybe?
[05:46] <gloin_> good idea..
[05:46] <geppy> crimsun:  Right.  =)
[05:48] <gloin_> hmm
[05:48] <gloin_> I really borked it
[05:49] <gloin_> let's see what happens...
[05:49] <s0cks> Back
[05:49] <s0cks> Staying till midnight
[05:50] <gloin_> hmm
[05:50] <gloin_> at bootup
[05:50] <eruin> howl
[05:50] <eruin> mmm
[05:50] <eruin> hotplug?
[05:50] <gloin_> "Creating NVIDIA TLS Links" what's that?
[05:50] <cryptomatt> on another note.. i seem to have this problem with my monitor display.. its a samsung 55v monitor set at 1024 res.. when i boot into ubuntu xserver doesnt start up.. i get these errors in the xfree86 log.. drmOpenDevice minor ISO... open result is -1
[05:51] <cryptomatt> however when i start the machine using another distro say yoper and i reboot to ubuntu, this problem does not occur.. this had me stumped for quite some time now.. any help will be appreciated
[05:51] <geppy> Why does Ubuntu default to OSS?
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> geppy: buggy alsa stuff
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> it was found that some stuff had buggy alsa output drivers
[05:52] <HrdwrBoB> so it defaulted to using oss compat mode in alsa
[05:52] <geppy> HrdwrBoB:  Could they not work to fix the bugs, or just let things default to oss compat in alsa?
[05:53] <Gwildor> does this sed problem mean that i can install NO packeges with apt?
[05:53] <gloin_> odd
[05:53] <gloin_> "NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!"
[05:53] <gloin_> heh
[05:53] <geppy> gloin_:  Have you tried the BinaryDriverHOWTO?
[05:53] <crimsun> geppy: err? I thought it defaults to esd now.
[05:54] <eruin> esd uses oss
[05:54] <geppy> gloin_: I've seen that error, before.  I think that you fix it by running /'nvidia-glx-config enable'
[05:54] <crimsun> oh, they set esd to use oss? meh.
[05:54] <gloin_> geppy: yeah, but I probably borked all that by upgrading the drivers myself
[05:54] <geppy> gloin_:  heh... that sucks.  =P
[05:54] <gloin_> yeah
[05:54] <gloin_> well
[05:54] <gloin_> the 6111 drivers (which currently are only ones supported) are SLOW compared to current
[05:55] <geppy> gloin_:  Works fine for me.  =)
[05:55] <geppy> What kind of games are you running?
[05:55] <eruin> theyre damn slow geppy
[05:55] <s0cks> I dunno.... Nvidia.... Integ Graphics.... I have integ.
[05:55] <gloin_> geppy: doom3
[05:55] <geppy> doom3 runs fine for me, but I'm not running on the top settings.
[05:55] <s0cks> Geppy : CS, DOD, and Shellshock.
[05:56] <crimsun> doom3 eats my poor P2 for lunch.
[05:56] <gloin_> besides, all the nvidia-glx-config enable does is uncommment the word "nvidia" in /etc/modules
[05:56] <geppy> crimsun:  hahahaha
[05:56] <gloin_> lol
[05:56] <gloin_> doom3 on a p2
[05:56] <gloin_> nice!
[05:56] <geppy> gloin_:  haha
[05:56] <eruin> I hate scrollkeeper
[05:56] <Rene_S> I found Doom 3 to be a little dark for my tastes
[05:56] <crimsun> matrox mga graphics!
[05:56] <eruin> battlefield vietnam is the only game you need
[05:56] <gloin_> Rene_S: dark visually or conceptually?
[05:56] <s0cks> Doom 3 < Half Life
[05:56] <geppy> Rene_S:  That's the whole point!  =)
[05:56] <geppy> s0cks:  NO!!!!!!  =)
[05:56] <Rene_S> Visually
[05:56] <cryptomatt> BittBS, can u tell me abt the monitor problem??
[05:56] <s0cks> eruin : My clan works with Shellshock.
[05:57] <gloin_> s0cks: yer fulla beans dude
[05:57] <Rene_S> Concept is fine, gama isnt hehe
[05:57] <geppy> Rene_S:  haha  :)
[05:57] <eruin> I thought doom1 sucked
[05:57] <eruin> same with doom2
[05:57] <s0cks> Doom 1 is LEGACY!
[05:57] <eruin> and doom3 is... umm.. worse ;)
[05:57] <gloin_> crap
[05:57] <geppy> eruin:  Blasphemy!
[05:57] <eruin> halflife though
[05:57] <eruin> is the worst game I've ever seen
[05:57] <geppy> gloin_:  Shouldn't do that.  =P
[05:57] <s0cks> Halflife pwns.
[05:57] <geppy> eruin:  agreed
[05:57] <eruin> quake3 on the other hand
[05:57] <eruin> rocks
[05:58] <s0cks> I used to play that.
[05:58] <s0cks> Till my clan switched.
[05:58] <Rene_S> I only bought Halflife so I could play CS heh
[05:58] <gloin_> ok
[05:58] <s0cks> I went with them.
[05:58] <gloin_> well
[05:58] <gloin_> now
[05:58] <eruin> buut, battlefield vietnam is the king of games
[05:58] <gloin_> the nvidia error is gone
[05:58] <Rene_S> I dont think I have ever looked at it
[05:58] <eruin> me, box tops and my huey
[05:58] <eruin> :)
[05:58] <gloin_> and eruin you have to have windows to play that crap
[05:58] <s0cks> Rene_S : gamesurge #0-|
[05:58] <eruin> cedega
[05:58] <eruin> sheesh
[05:58] <gloin_> it works in cedega?
[05:58] <gloin_> w00t
[05:58] <eruin> perfectly fine
[05:58] <eruin> winblows doesnt even boot on my comp :P
[05:58] <cryptomatt> \quit
[05:59] <gloin_> heh
[05:59] <Rene_S> s0cks, ?  I dont get what you mean, I am old and slow
[05:59] <eruin> well then
[05:59] <gloin_> good
[05:59] <eruin> time to run xorg instead
[05:59] <s0cks> Go there please. ! :P
[06:00] <s0cks> ##ubuntu!!! Noone thaught about that one!
[06:00] <gloin_> man
[06:00] <gloin_> whatever I broke in xfree is also broken in xorg
[06:00] <geppy> Anyone know a good place to find information on music production software for GNU/Linux?
[06:01] <s0cks> Is DBpowerAMP supported?
[06:01] <crimsun> geppy: e.g., ardour, audacity, and so forth?
[06:01] <stuNNed> geppy, linux-sound.org
[06:01] <geppy> thanks
[06:02] <stuNNed> geppy, though it may be antiquated...
[06:02] <crimsun> http://www.alsa-project.org/links.php  :)
[06:02] <geppy> Thanks.  =D
[06:02] <gloin_> well, time for reinstall =[
[06:03] <geppy> heh
[06:03] <geppy> good luck
[06:03] <gloin_> no big
[06:03] <gloin_> this time I'm going to do the new nvidia driver WITHOUT trying a dpkg-reconfigure after
[06:03] <gloin_> and that, right after the install
[06:05] <FTTP> i tried debian sarge.......... went poof on me
[06:05] <FTTP> alot of nice things about it tho
[06:06] <FTTP> cant wait for hoardy based on the final sarge :)
[06:06] <FTTP> err hoary
[06:06] <gen> whorey
[06:06] <gloin_> hehe
[06:06] <FTTP> i came up with a business plan for fiber to the home/apartment
[06:06] <FTTP> not me paying the $1200 per home tho
[06:06] <FTTP> :P
[06:07] <gen> heh
[06:07] <FTTP> I figure if i can get the cost split over 10 ways
[06:07] <FTTP> and use economy of scale and high penetration rates
[06:07] <gloin_> heh
[06:07] <gloin_> that's what I'm on here
[06:07] <FTTP> fiber?
[06:07] <gloin_> city utils department put in a bunch of fiber loops
[06:07] <gloin_> then they split it out to DOCSYS cable
[06:07] <FTTP> oh
[06:08] <gloin_> about 15 houses per loop
[06:08] <FTTP> its docsis
[06:08] <gloin_> yeah
[06:08] <gloin_> damn docsys
[06:08] <mark1> quick question about removing a file
[06:08] <gloin_> and 128-k upload cap =[
[06:08] <FTTP> gloin_  Im on docsis too with fiber to my apartment building
[06:08] <gloin_> mark1: shoot
[06:08] <mark1> i have a file called:  udo apt-get --purge remove j....
[06:08] <FTTP> we have a node in the basement
[06:08] <gloin_> FTTP: just swipe a line off that =] 
[06:08] <FTTP> gloin:  What city are u in ?
[06:08] <mark1> i've tried to move it to a directory and then delete the directory but that doesn't woork
[06:08] <geppy> Is there a GPL application for GNU/Linux that is comparable to Sony's ACID?
[06:08] <gloin_> FTTP: no city here lol
[06:08] <gloin_> southern oregon
[06:09] <mark1> rm -- etc and it doesn't work, either
[06:09] <FTTP> gloin:  U said city dept
[06:09] <gen> mark1: what haha
[06:09] <FTTP> city utils department
[06:09] <mark1> yeah, it was a big mistake
[06:09] <mark1> long story
[06:09] <FTTP> if your not in a city u dont have a city utils dept :)
[06:09] <gloin_> lol
[06:09] <mark1> i just can't seem to make it disappear
[06:09] <gloin_> FTTP: you have a pmsg
[06:09] <mark1> any ideas?
[06:09] <thoreauputic> mark1: that makes no sense at all, sorry :)
[06:09] <mark1> yeah, well it's a file that i accidentally made
[06:09] <gen> you said a file is a list of commands mark1
[06:09] <gen> what?
[06:09] <mark1> by doing a copy and paste
[06:09] <mark1> yeah, i know
[06:10] <mark1> the problem is the "--purge"
[06:10] <mark1> it doesn't like that part of the file name
[06:10] <mark1> and as i said i can't just move it to another directory
[06:10] <mark1> gloin: any suggestions?
[06:11] <gloin_> mark1: I'm lost
[06:11] <thoreauputic> mark1: try escaping the spaces and -- with \
[06:11] <mark1> lost as in you have no clue how to remove the file?
[06:11] <gen> lost as in your questions are hard to understand
[06:11] <mark1> ok i'll try that thoreauputic, thanks
[06:12] <Agrajag> rm udo[TAB] 
[06:12] <Agrajag> [TAB} meaning hit tab to complete the file name
[06:12] <mark1> oh yeah
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: -- are reserved characters
[06:12] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: like hell they are
[06:12] <mark1> Agrajag: thanks so much
[06:12] <mark1> i'm still trying to learn linux
[06:12] <Agrajag> and even if they were tab completion would jujst escape them
[06:12] <mark1> and forget the basic stuff
[06:13] <mark1> basically i have a full time job and need something to keep my brain occupied
[06:13] <stuNNed> how do i take screenshot again?
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: well, they usually denote a flag to a command so they cause problems
[06:13] <geppy> stuNNed:  "Computer" > "Take Screenshot"
[06:13] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: no
[06:13] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: name a file -
[06:13] <GotD0t> ok... im trying to edit my crontab and it wont let me use an app other than vim to edit it
[06:13] <GotD0t> and i dont know how to use vim
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: OK I bow to your greater knowledge :)
[06:13] <Agrajag> then delete it
[06:13] <Agrajag> ok then
[06:14] <Agrajag> hey, you gotta learn somehting new every day
[06:14] <GotD0t> so how can i edit my crontab using a different editor (pref nano)
[06:14] <stuNNed> geppy, not there, maybe because i installed totem-xine and that removed 'Take Screenshot' ? how odd...
[06:14] <mark1> Agrajag:  exactly, i owe you one .... thanks again.
[06:15] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: doesn't a leading - in a file name cause problems though?
[06:15] <Agrajag> GotD0t: export EDITOR=nano
[06:15] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: no
[06:15] <stuNNed> what is command line to take screenshot?
[06:15] <GotD0t> thanks agrajag... is that permanent?
[06:16] <Agrajag> not unless the filename is same as some program's argument, that might be a problem
[06:16] <Agrajag> GotD0t: no
[06:16] <gen> stunned, why not just use gimp
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: $ touch -file
[06:16] <Agrajag> but you can edit .bashrc and add that line to it
[06:16] <thoreauputic> touch: invalid option -- i
[06:16] <GotD0t> Agrajag: me?
[06:16] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: what causes that then?
[06:16] <Agrajag> GotD0t: yes
[06:16] <GotD0t> agrajag: thanks a bunch
[06:16] <Agrajag> thoreauputic: that's touch's problem
[06:16] <Agrajag> different programs will act differently
[06:17] <BrittBS> BeanDip, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3556
[06:17] <Agrajag> I wouldn't name files with a leading - if I could help it, but - isn't reserved
[06:17] <mark1> exit
[06:17] <mark1> oops
[06:18] <thoreauputic> Agrajag: suppose you do  rm -file  Wouldn't that produce an error? rm would think it was a set of switches and not a file?
[06:18] <crimsun> that's why you use rm -- -file
[06:19] <Agrajag> ah yes
[06:19] <Agrajag> forgot about the --
[06:19] <thoreauputic> crimsun: ah, OK
[06:19] <thoreauputic> still, I'd avoid the leading  - I think :)
[06:23] <gloin_> hey
[06:24] <gloin_> anyone have any luck with TV tuner cards in ubuntu?
[06:24] <gloin_> since I've gotta reinstall, I might as well throw this old thing in there =] 
[06:24] <Agrajag> my hauppauge card Just Works :)
[06:24] <gloin_> nice
[06:25] <Agrajag> apt-get install tvtime
[06:25] <gloin_> okay
[06:25] <gloin_> amazing how Mac-like linux is rapidly becoming in terms of raw usability =] 
[06:26] <Agrajag> it's also a lot cheaper
[06:26] <gloin_> heheh so true
[06:26] <Agrajag> though OS X is getting a lot more OSS Stuff now
[06:26] <gloin_> I >wish< I could buy a dual G5 one part at a time
[06:26] <gloin_> but I can't
[06:26] <gloin_> so this month I buy one of the two amd/64 cpus
[06:26] <gloin_> and that makes two
[06:26] <gloin_> and next month I buy the mobo
[06:26] <gloin_> etc
[06:27] <gloin_> by the way
[06:27] <gloin_> how amd/64-friendly is deb/ubuntu?
[06:28] <oddabe19> anyone wanna buy me a G5?
[06:30] <GammaRay> I would not buy a 64 bit cpu unless I actually needed it..
[06:30] <gloin_> hehe
[06:30] <BoonShanka> ;p
[06:30] <gloin_> well
[06:30] <BoonShanka> that's alotta peeps
[06:30] <gloin_> BoonShanka: welcome =] 
[06:30] <BoonShanka> shot man ;)
[06:31] <GammaRay> it's just a pain in the butt and for what? 8 bit pointers?
[06:31] <gloin_> GammaRay: I do enough compiling that it'd be nice to have all that address space
[06:31] <GammaRay> err byte I mean
[06:31] <gloin_> lol
[06:31] <gloin_> but anyhow
[06:31] <gloin_> that doesn't do much to answer my question
[06:32] <GammaRay> there is an x86-64 version...
[06:32] <gloin_> is it boogey?
[06:32] <Gmail> http://www.watleyreview.com/2004/111604-3.html ROTFL
[06:33] <Gmail> oooops wrong channel but it still funny (its about 40% of aol user don't have a computer)
[06:33] <GammaRay> huh?
[06:34] <gloin_> rofl
[06:34] <gloin_> Gmail: I've gotta save that for an April 1 slashdot submission
[06:34] <gloin_> "Well, these documents do explain one thing," said Kowshik. "I always wondered how AOL managed to maintain a customer satisfaction rate of 40%. Now we know exactly which 40% of their client base that is."
[06:34] <Rene_S> How dumb must one be to subscribe to AOL without a comp
[06:35] <gloin_> Rene_S: I suspect the word "joke" applies here
[06:35] <Gmail> gloin_: too late
[06:35] <GammaRay> Rene_S: I suspect AOL's figures are false
[06:36] <BoonShanka> hehe kewl ubuntu free cds + shipping
[06:36] <gloin_> hehe
[06:36] <gloin_> BoonShanka: it's a 1-cd distro
[06:36] <gloin_> might as well download
[06:36] <BoonShanka> m000
[06:36] <Rene_S> Heh, my mistrust of these companies is too high. I am starting to believe things like that
[06:36] <BoonShanka> ye but then it'll prolly help cap me ;p
[06:38] <gloin_> ?
[06:38] <BoonShanka> 3 gig cap ;p
[06:38] <gloin_> o
[06:38] <BoonShanka> hehe I don't have a T1 or better !
[06:38] <BoonShanka> but I've sent my wish list to Santa
[06:39] <GammaRay> BoonShanka: did you sit on Santa's lap?
[06:39] <BoonShanka> naaw bought santa a stripper
[06:40] <BoonShanka> one of them chiep strippers ;p hopefully Santa has bad eye sight
[06:41] <BoonShanka> hey they really send you free cds!?
[06:42] <GammaRay> santa does not appreacate hermaphrodites
[06:42] <BoonShanka> roflmao @ Gammaray
[06:43] <bborkk> Anyone here hang out on #python?  That list seems dead, even with 109 people.  Is #ubuntu active only because it's new?
[06:43] <crimsun> ubuntu is active because it's a darned good distro.
[06:43] <BoonShanka> chicks dig it
[06:43] <BrittBS> bborkk, someone did the chatty raindance
[06:44] <BrittBS> bborkk, actually, #python is pretty active most of the time
[06:44] <bborkk> Yeah, and python is a good language.  I guess they need to dance more.
[06:50] <FTTP> are any of the hoardy isos working?
[06:50] <FTTP> i tried the development snapshot, had major problems
[06:51] <FTTP> ruffian:  that isnt the solaris 10
[06:51] <FTTP> its not available for download yet
[06:51] <FTTP> your downloading a preview release :P
[06:51] <Ruffian|Q|> FTTPS: its Solaris 10 express.  and its free
[06:52] <FTTP> ruffian:  solaris express is a preview release
[06:52] <Ruffian|Q|> I know
[06:52] <FTTP> solaris 10 wont be out till jan 2005
[06:52] <Ruffian|Q|> its still free and its solaris therefore its worth the download
[06:52] <FTTP> i will download it then tho :)
[06:52] <Ruffian|Q|> www.solaris.com
[06:53] <smo> Is it possible to stop discover/hotplug loading alsa modules?
[06:53] <FTTP> this is ubuntu not solaris
[06:53] <FTTP> ruffian join #solaris
[06:53] <FTTP> we like ubuntu here
[06:54] <Ruffian|Q|> I love Ubuntu
[06:54] <Ruffian|Q|> it was making me agry today though
[07:05] <potle> How is Sodipodi?
[07:05] <bluefoxicy> not sure
[07:05] <potle> Guess I'll just install it and find out :)
[07:06] <foolswisdom> hi , i want to become ubuntan
[07:07] <foolswisdom> i hv a new box , freshly assembled & a live CD ...
[07:07] <foolswisdom> I hv heard a nasty rumor that I cannot install Ubuntu from the live cd .
[07:07] <foolswisdom> can this be true ?
[07:09] <seek187> foolswisdom, no you can't
[07:09] <BoonShanka> >.<
[07:10] <foolswisdom> my life is over ...
[07:10] <BoonShanka> roflmao
[07:10] <compdude> i want to decrypt a line like this: 5hAL%2FoRLFrPaFVpCpDDV7TpN0fmUyua95UT%2BVhMdE4%3D which encryption is it? and what is it called? SHA? How would I decrypt it, is it even possible? i'm trying to understand this.. if you understand anything please tell :)
[07:11] <foolswisdom> and there is no network install ? no small install CD ?
[07:12] <choulth> good morning
[07:12] <seek187> foolswisdom, yes you can network install
[07:12] <foolswisdom> seek187, I'm listening
[07:13] <seek187> It's in the wiki that tells how to do it..
[07:13] <foolswisdom> seek187, thanks , searching ...
[07:14] <foolswisdom> found something ... reading ....
[07:15] <seek187> foolswisdom, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/images/netboot/
[07:15] <seek187> there is a image there
[07:15] <foolswisdom> it looks like I may be good just from the live cd http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto/view?searchterm=network%20install
[07:15] <foolswisdom> it was linked from the netinstall
[07:16] <seek187> maybe so not sure.
[07:16] <seek187> I know there is a mini.iso ^ up there
[07:16] <foolswisdom> BoonShanka, u r a tricky fox u
[07:17] <BoonShanka> hey?
[07:17] <BoonShanka> hoekom??
[07:17] <skar_away> hi, how do i upgrade all packages on my system
[07:17] <foolswisdom> BoonShanka, it looks like i can get this installed from the Live CD
[07:17] <skar_away> will apt-get upgrade do the job?
[07:17] <seek187> skar_away, apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:17] <skar_away> ok
[07:18] <BoonShanka> kewl man I hope so, then I can too! and leave ev0l MS
[07:18] <skar_away> thanx
[07:18] <BoonShanka> MS-Ev0l
[07:19] <Ruffian|Q|> Time Warner Pictures and AOL own the Birthday song: Anyone who uses it in a movie has to pay $10,000!
[07:19] <seek187> eek
[07:19] <BoonShanka> wahahahaha
[07:20] <BoonShanka> smart
[07:20] <BoonShanka> and ev0l
[07:21] <foolswisdom> but true evil genius run Linux http://www.opseu540.info/mpg/switchlinux3.swf
[07:23] <BoonShanka> hey, does linux have an irc chat proggie?
[07:23] <BoonShanka> that ubuntu thingy
[07:23] <Agrajag> of course
[07:23] <BoonShanka> kewl beans ;p
[07:23] <Agrajag> irssi and xchat are both installed by default
[07:24] <BoonShanka> wooo, as soon as I get it I'm gonna install it on my pc at home ;p
[07:24] <Amaranth> anyone else having problems with hoary and sed?
[07:24] <BoonShanka> and if it's not too different from MS ev0l I can use it at my internet cafe ;p
[07:24] <Agrajag> read the topic.
[07:25] <foolswisdom> Amaranth, there is a news item on main ubuntulinux page
[07:26] <BoonShanka> splittage
[07:26] <BoonShanka> booi
[07:26] <BoonShanka> I can see clearly now, the rain is gone ;p
[07:26] <Ruffian|Q|> damn netsplit
[07:26] <choulth> mutants :)
[07:27] <BoonShanka> hehe
[07:27] <BoonShanka> anyone gonna get the new avengers #1 ?
[07:27] <gloin_> rofl
[07:27] <gloin_> that's netsplit v_2
[07:27] <gloin_> for tonight
[07:28] <BoonShanka> this month iz kewl, New Avengers #1 and Captain America #1 this month woooo
[07:28] <BoonShanka> gonna go get my captain america today
[07:28] <choulth> mmh, should apt-get remove netsplit work ? ;)
[07:28] <smo> --purge
[07:28] <gloin_> BoonShanka: you forget The Incredibles #1
[07:29] <gloin_> smo: no, that was apt-get --purge half-the-users
[07:29] <choulth> right smo
[07:29] <BoonShanka> hey hey
[07:29] <BoonShanka> ;p~
[07:30] <BoonShanka> I'm looking forward to that one from Dark Horse, Damn Nation in Feb
[07:30] <gloin_> hrm
[07:30] <gloin_> I've got a bit of a mystery on my hands
[07:31] <smo> well, I solved my sound problems.  $40 later and a real sound card's in the mail
[07:31] <BoonShanka> lol
[07:32] <BoonShanka> I wonder if there's a genuis out there somewhere who's working on a driver emulator ;p
[07:32] <gloin_> lol
[07:32] <gloin_> man
[07:32] <Agrajag> well
[07:33] <Agrajag> there are some
[07:33] <gloin_> this this is OLD SCHOOL
[07:33] <gloin_> made in 95 or 96
[07:33] <Agrajag> linuxant for wireless nics
[07:33] <Agrajag> the captive-ntfs for ntfs
[07:33] <gloin_> there are drivers for win95r2
[07:33] <smo> I think it'd be more productive, and fun to boot, to simply visit certain hardware mftrs with large blunt objects
[07:33] <Agrajag> possibly others
[07:33] <gloin_> and that's it
[07:33] <BoonShanka> hehehe
[07:34] <BoonShanka> yep see, this is how I tell I'm the mose stupid person in the chan
[07:34] <gloin_> ooh, it was OEMed by Hauppage
[07:34] <gloin_> lol
[07:34] <BoonShanka> &most
[07:34] <gloin_> probably save myself a lot of grief by spending 20 bucks on a ati-tv card
[07:35] <Ruffian|Q|> IF I use Debian, can I use Ubuntu repositories?'
[07:35] <Amaranth> You can try. :)
[07:35] <Ruffian|Q|> :-)
[07:35] <gloin_> heh
[07:35] <gloin_> hey
[07:35] <gloin_> a repository's a repository, right?
[07:35] <Amaranth> Not always.
[07:35] <gloin_> lol
[07:36] <gloin_> <--joke!
[07:36] <Amaranth> Different dependecies and different version numbers.
[07:36] <Amaranth> oh, too tired for jokes :P
[07:36] <Amaranth> yeah, night all
[07:36] <gloin_> ] nn
[07:37] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: so basically the answer seems to be "If you enjoy fixing b0rked systems, go ahead" ;-)
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> borked?
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> your crazy
[07:38] <choulth> Ruffian|Q|, why not making things easier and install Ubuntu?
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> I do use Ubuntu
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> on  my main system
[07:38] <Ruffian|Q|> it was just a question
[07:38] <choulth> Ohmer, kewl :)
[07:39] <choulth> aok
[07:39] <BoonShanka> gloin_ : You know who's that new ninja guy in the new avengers ???
[07:39] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: I was just joking that mixing Debian with Ubuntu packages might be, shall we say, courageous
[07:39] <gloin_> which new what huh BoonShanka ?
[07:40] <BoonShanka> the New Avengers #1
[07:40] <BoonShanka> oh poo
[07:40] <Sensebend> I only follow manga
[07:40] <Ruffian|Q|> thoreauputic: i just did, and it works!
[07:41] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: well, jolly good. Stop while you're ahead ;)
[07:41] <Sensebend> I use some debian repositories just fine
[07:41] <Ruffian|Q|> thoreauputic, it works fine, im doing it on my test box, so I dont care: and its working
[07:41] <lil_anthony> question: what is a simple ftp server for ubuntu? i just want something i can connect to people can write to but can't delete and i can change dirs and all something  pretty basic
[07:41] <Cube-ness> hmm.. what might be causing my computer to slow to a crawl when i try to play a dvd?
[07:41] <gloin_> ahh
[07:42] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: as I said, jolly good old chap !
[07:42] <Agrajag> Cube-ness: are you using DMA on your DVD drive?
[07:42] <Agrajag> hdparm /dev/dvd
[07:42] <gloin_> nothing like visiting a poorly-tranlated hardware vendor site, based on a slow link in Taiwan, with LOTS AND LOTS OF %Bflash!
[07:42] <Sensebend> enable bma with hdparm
[07:42] <Agrajag> check that using_dma is set to 1
[07:42] <gloin_> I love flash websites
[07:42] <Sensebend> I hate flash websites
[07:42] <gloin_> lol
[07:43] <Sensebend> pain when you use lynx once and a while
[07:43] <GammaRay> I ignore flash websites
[07:43] <Sensebend> lol
[07:43] <Sensebend> well I also have to work in flash right now :S
[07:43] <Sensebend> for design class
[07:43] <Sensebend> :(
[07:43] <thoreauputic> *advertisers
[07:43] <Sensebend> that could be half my hatred of it
[07:43] <GammaRay> Sensebend: exercise the evil!
[07:44] <gloin_> although it's always fun to see a little happy face following your mouse that trails the text "For fastest drivering downloads!  Click the link!"
[07:44] <bborkk> or simply exorcise it
[07:44] <Agrajag> excersize or exorcise?
[07:44] <Agrajag> beaten
[07:44] <bborkk> ecksersize?
[07:44] <GammaRay> yea.. that's it
[07:44] <thoreauputic> eggsersighs
[07:44] <bborkk> there's a thigh joke coming up.  i can feel it.
[07:45] <GammaRay> knock knock
[07:45] <bborkk> who?!
[07:46] <gloin_> seriously, is there any justification for not hiring native-language proofreaders in ANY language which you plan to have a website in?
[07:46] <bborkk> They're expensive.
[07:46] <Skif_> not knowing any you know you can rely on?
[07:46] <gloin_> I'm also thinking of the "user manual" that came with my Samsung cable modem
[07:46] <gloin_> hrm
[07:46] <gloin_> drivering downloads
[07:46] <bborkk> Chopstick wrappers are the best.
[07:47] <thoreauputic> gloin_: when you don't want people to find out about your "trade secrets" <g>
[07:47] <bborkk> No, you can't.  I tried.
[07:47] <gloin_> bborkk: ?
[07:48] <bborkk> gloin_: Lived there for a while.  I'm not rich.  Q.E.D.
[07:48] <gloin_> heh
[07:48] <thoreauputic> gloin_: you could suggest the strategy to MS, for example: all their documents could be run through babelfish a couple of times...
[07:48] <gloin_> bborkk: not neccessarily - after all, you said nothing about having tried to make it as a native-language editor
[07:49] <bborkk> gloin_: Okay, it wasn't my full time occupation, but I did actually try it out.  It was sketchy enough to be fun, but not much money in it.
[07:49] <Agrajag> gloin_: ok, now how about tvtime?
[07:49] <gloin_> Agrajag: what is tvtime based upon?
[07:49] <Agrajag> if you want it to look decent, and you have a fast enough computer, tvtime's better
[07:50] <Agrajag> based upon?
[07:50] <gloin_> =] 
[07:50] <gloin_> well
[07:50] <gloin_> is it another xine/mplayer/all/same/codecs kind of thing, or is it completely separate from xawtv?
[07:50] <Agrajag> it's a TV viewer with a good deinterlacer
[07:50] <Agrajag> codecs?
[07:50] <Agrajag> it's just a tv viewer
[07:50] <Agrajag> has nothing to do with xawtv that I know of
[07:51] <gloin_> my understanding is that xawtv is a lot more than just a tv viewer
[07:54] <foolswisdom> u r correct , it is a lot more
[08:03] <mike_> hi
[08:17] <discord> i cannot find the aplications i added to ubuntu added to the gnome panel thingy does it not add things to the panel like debian
[08:17] <gloin_> looks like a new sed is up
[08:17] <discord> ?
[08:17] <gloin_> discord: dunno... am KDE user
[08:18] <gloin_> hehe
[08:18] <gloin_> well
[08:18] <gloin_> the sed that was in hoary earlier tonight was broken, causing upgrade to fail
[08:19] <gloin_> it appears that another version or two has been released since then, so I'll chance it, knowing also how to fix it if it's broken
[08:20] <discord> what is up with awk and sed anyways
[08:20] <discord> what do they do
[08:20] <discord> gloin_
[08:20] <UbuntuNewbie> Hi channel
[08:21] <gloin_> hi UbuntuNewbie
[08:21] <discord> hey
[08:21] <gloin_> discord: simply put, they manipulate textfiles
[08:21] <discord> need some help
[08:21] <Agrajag> discord: not to sound like an ass, but trfm and find out
[08:21] <Agrajag> err
[08:21] <Agrajag> rtfm
[08:21] <gloin_> lol
[08:21] <discord> hah
[08:21] <gloin_> Agrajag: I think it's time for bed when you can't even RTFM right
[08:21] <gloin_> =P
[08:22] <Agrajag> awk stands for Aho, Weinberger, Kernighan, they're the guys that designed it
[08:22] <Agrajag> hey it's not even midnight
[08:22] <discord> someone was telling me they like the ubuntu community better than the debian one cause they dont always tell you rtfm
[08:22] <Agrajag> well not always
[08:22] <gloin_> yeah Agrajag
[08:22] <gloin_> see?
[08:22] <gloin_> now you've gone and spoiled it
[08:22] <gloin_> =P
[08:23] <UbuntuNewbie> Has anyone here successfully set up a Palm device under ubuntu? I've got what I think are some USB problems ...
[08:23] <Agrajag> but when you're asking what a command does, the manual can tell you a lot more than we can
[08:23] <Agrajag> and in more detail
[08:23] <linux_mafia> http://internet.ls-la.net/man-pages/rtfm-2.html
[08:23] <BoonShanka> hehe
[08:23] <gloin_> if I wanted KDE 1.x and the 2.2 kernel, I'd install debian
[08:23] <gloin_> but I don't
[08:24] <Agrajag> I installed sarge, it had kernel 2.6 and gnome 2.6
[08:24] <Agrajag> then my laptop died, and now ubuntu's on the new one
[08:24] <gloin_> >gnome< and 2.6 even
[08:25] <Agrajag> then why are you using a gnome-based distro, if you don't mind my asking?
[08:25] <gloin_> Agrajag: two reasons: first I like it, and second, KDE is well-supported
[08:25] <gloin_> I guess three reasons
[08:26] <gloin_> third, most of the KDE distros end in either LLC, SA, or Inc.
[08:26] <gloin_> I came to ubuntu from SuSE
[08:26] <Agrajag> You mean Like Canonical, Inc?
[08:26] <Agrajag> The company that makes Ubuntu?
[08:26] <gloin_> which is a helluva lot better than redhat
[08:26] <gloin_> Agrajag: come on, you're spoiling my rant
[08:26] <Agrajag> yes, it's fun
[08:26] <gloin_> =P
[08:27] <gloin_> seriously
[08:27] <Agrajag> oh I'm sorry, Canonical, Ltd.
[08:27] <discord> gloin_ why do you dislike g_nome so much?
[08:27] <gloin_> ubuntu is a very clean, quick, nice distro, with a very active user community, philosophically more in line with where I'm at than most, and it's highly flexible and VERY fast
[08:27] <gloin_> discord: gnome has gone backwards in terms of UI design
[08:28] <discord> debian is pretty nice
[08:28] <gloin_> let's start with so-called "dimensional browsing"
[08:28] <discord> hmm i think kde is kinda ugly
[08:28] <Agrajag> spatial
[08:28] <Skif_> I like it.
[08:28] <discord> maybe i was just using keramik
[08:28] <gloin_> AKA: win95-style or Mac OS 7.x style "Open each folder in a new window until your desktop is buried under crap"
[08:28] <Agrajag> you can make it a browser instead of spatial with a checkbox
[08:28] <gloin_> also
[08:29] <gloin_> yeah Agrajag but how lame is that?
[08:29] <Skif_> or maybe "when you open a window, it stays where you left it"
[08:29] <Agrajag> gloin_: uh
[08:29] <Agrajag> what?
[08:29] <Skif_> *shrug* I liked it in mac os 6-9
[08:29] <discord> ao
[08:29] <discord> ao
[08:29] <discord> oops
[08:29] <Agrajag> clicking a checkbox is lame?
[08:29] <Skif_> kinda bugged me they dropped it for os x
[08:29] <gloin_> Skif_ I wouldn't mind leaving a window where I left it - but it's the >amount< of windows that gets opened
[08:29] <Skif_> gloin_: control-click then (I think)
[08:29] <Agrajag> hold shift when you open a folder
[08:29] <Agrajag> shift
[08:29] <discord> gloin:how is kde different than that
[08:29] <Skif_> Shift, that's it.
[08:29] <gloin_> Skif_ but they replaced it with Column view, which is far superior to anything else I
[08:29] <gloin_> I've seen
[08:30] <Skif_> gloin_: actually it's worse, because it doesn't give you a full picture of the path
[08:30] <Skif_> you just have a slice
[08:30] <discord> has anyone tried any of those expose clones?
[08:30] <Skif_> anyway, it honestly doesn't bother me, because I hate file managers of all kinds
[08:31] <gloin_> Skif_: I tend to agree with you there - I'd love to see a filepath bar above the column view
[08:31] <gloin_> well, it looks like someone fixed the broken sed package in hoary
[08:31] <UbuntuNewbie> A Filepath bar would be VERY helpful
[08:31] <gloin_> I'm upgrading without doing anything fancy and it's working fine
[08:31] <linux_mafia> discord, yep, im using skippy, couldnt get expocity going right
[08:32] <gloin_> overall, gnome looks and feels a lot more dated to me than KDE
[08:32] <discord> do you like it and are you using it in kde or gnome?
[08:32] <discord> linux_mafia
[08:32] <gloin_> if you have halfway decent hardware, KDE runs snappy, and it feels smoother and less like bubble-gum to me
[08:32] <linux_mafia> discord, yes its good, gnome of course
[08:32] <discord> i dunno i like the simple looks
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[08:32] <discord> of gnome
[08:32] <gloin_> anyhow
[08:33] <discord> i remember when i had kde
[08:33] <gloin_> does gnome have anything remotely like the KDE kiosk API?
[08:33] <discord> on my poor mans lcd
[08:33] <discord> with 1024x768
[08:33] <discord> and that kpanel or whatever
[08:33] <discord> took up half the screen
[08:33] <gloin_> lol
[08:33] <gloin_> nice work by the distro then
[08:33] <gloin_> it should be tiny
[08:33] <thoreauputic> discord: that's easy to get rid of
[08:33] <gloin_> just like the menubar
[08:33] <discord> slackware 8 9 10
[08:33] <gloin_> right-click on it if you have that happen again
[08:34] <thoreauputic> discord: and you can use autohide
[08:34] <gloin_> that's all it takes to change ANYTHING in KDE
[08:34] <gloin_> right-click
[08:34] <gloin_> do0ne
[08:34] <discord> keramik default
[08:34] <gloin_> done*
[08:34] <discord> hmm
[08:34] <discord> yeah i dunno
[08:34] <discord> its cool that they are interoperable
[08:35] <gloin_> true that
[08:35] <gloin_> so
[08:35] <Chibi> Hey, quick question that I'm not in the mood to investigate. Do the Ubuntu kernels have Framebuffer support compiled in? o_O
[08:35] <gloin_> is there anything like the Kiosk API for gnome?  this is a serious question, as I depend heavily upon that feature at work
[08:35] <discord> can you add a little bar on the big bar (panel?) across the bottom to run programs from?
[08:36] <gloin_> discord: in kde?
[08:36] <gloin_> lol
[08:36] <discord> yeah
[08:36] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: ask your question, silly =] 
[08:36] <gloin_> discord: yeah
[08:36] <thoreauputic> UbuntuNewbie: heh
[08:36] <Chibi> gloin_ - XFCE4.2 has some kiosk features.
[08:36] <gloin_> discord: right-click there =] 
[08:36] <discord> i dont think i know enough about either to pass judgment on kde or gnome
[08:36] <gloin_> Chibi: people still devloping on XVCE?
[08:37] <gloin_> XFCE*
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> Yeh, it's just that I can't seem to get my Palm device set up. It's USB, so's my mouse, and all I can do when I try to sync the Palm is a stupid mouse trick...
[08:37] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that I'd like too see... =] 
[08:37] <Chibi> Of course. Why would olivier drop such a great project?
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> Um, it's a STUPID mouse trick ...
[08:37] <Chibi> :P
[08:37] <gloin_> but do you have jpilot on there?
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> The mouse just hangs.
[08:37] <UbuntuNewbie> jpilot, yes.
[08:37] <discord> i like the icons in gnome
[08:37] <discord> when i have a text document
[08:38] <discord> you can read it
[08:38] <discord> and resize the icon
[08:38] <discord> make it gigantic if you want
[08:38] <gloin_> heh
[08:38] <gloin_> nice
[08:38] <discord> the panel seems easy to use also
[08:38] <discord> if thats what it is called
[08:38] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: to be honest, it's been a long time since I've used my palmpilot - and then I only used it to sync with Evolution... now I don't remember at all
[08:38] <discord> and i like having one on top and bottom and having them small
[08:39] <gloin_> discord: you'll find that the kmenueditor is a lot easier to use and understand than the gnome menueditors, which look to me suspiciously like regedit anyhow
[08:39] <discord> hmm
[08:39] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_: It's not a showstopper ... just figured someone, somewhere, has worked this one out already ...
[08:39] <discord> it may have changed
[08:40] <Sudo> hello
[08:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: IIRC, you've got to set jpilot to the correct USB TTY
[08:40] <FTTP> its me gloin :)
[08:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: try this: ls -l /dev/input/mice
[08:40] <FTTP> I reinstalled warty
[08:40] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_ - need root terminal for this?
[08:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: no
[08:40] <FTTP> now i ran synaptic and did the reload and mark updates/smart update
[08:41] <gloin_> lol thoreauputic
[08:41] <discord> an yone know how to make the gnome panel dictionary refer to the system dictionary also?
[08:41] <FTTP> there are new apps like sudo, and others
[08:41] <FTTP> are these bug fixes?
[08:41] <FTTP> security ?
[08:41] <gloin_> FTTP: you don't subscribe to bugtraq, do you?  lol
[08:41] <FTTP> login, lvm
[08:41] <FTTP> ppp, sudo, etc...
[08:41] <gloin_> FTTP: you for sure want to install those
[08:41] <FTTP> i should update those right?
[08:41] <gloin_> trust me
[08:41] <FTTP> ok
[08:41] <poO> anyone know how i can modify the startup software in ubuntu?
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  you know how the update when you install is different?
[08:42] <gloin_> FTTP: huh?
[08:42] <gloin_> poO: huh?
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  When u install and it updates where does it take the files from?
[08:42] <UbuntuNewbie> ls -l /dev/input/mice returns
[08:42] <gloin_> FTTP: same place synaptic does
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  When u do the 1st install and select yes to update from internet
[08:42] <UbuntuNewbie> crw-------    1 root     root      13,  63 2004-11-17 15:10 /dev/input/mice
[08:42] <FTTP> gloin:  Then why didnt it download these files?
[08:42] <gloin_> hmm
[08:42] <FTTP> since i had the files updated
[08:42] <FTTP> thats what im confused on
[08:42] <poO> glion: im trying to make a program start up when ubuntu loads
[08:42] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that's interesting - do you have a USB mouse?
[08:42] <discord> ill switch to kde
[08:43] <poO> anyone know how to do it?
[08:43] <gloin_> FTTP: sometimes applications need to be installed sequentially
[08:43] <UbuntuNewbie> Yes, USB mouse. I'm thinking maybe some confusion between USB mouse and USB Palm cradle ... ?
[08:43] <discord> if it will let me use the work space switcher with dual monitors so that monitor one has workspace 1+2 and monitor 2 has workspace 3+4
[08:43] <foolswisdom> there is no gcc on the live cd eh
[08:44] <FTTP> gloin:  but if you select no on the update from internet upon install it wont install anything and if u go to synaptic it wont either
[08:44] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: see if you can reconfigure jpilot so that, say if now it's using /dev/somethingUSB0, change the 0 to a 1
[08:44] <FTTP> gloin:  So obviously it gets different files or something
[08:44] <gloin_> FTTP: worked for me...
[08:44] <poO> glin: u know how to make a program to start up when ubuntu loads?
[08:44] <poO> gloin*
[08:44] <rss> hello
[08:44] <gloin_> poO: you might check in /etc/init.d for a boot.local or something
[08:44] <foolswisdom> i am trying to figure out how to bootstrap Ubuntu from the Live CD ... no gcc makes it hard
[08:44] <rss> How do I configure my cd writer?
[08:45] <FTTP> another thing......... how do i redo my screensize?
[08:45] <rss> it is a LG cd writer
[08:45] <FTTP> my screen comes out wrong
[08:45] <FTTP> the size and all
[08:45] <FTTP> its fine on windows
[08:45] <gloin_> FTTP: SaX2
[08:45] <gloin_> =P
[08:45] <FTTP> gloin:  What tool does ubuntu have?
[08:45] <thoreauputic> poO: do you mean load programs when gnome starts? If so , just check the option to save your session when you log out
[08:45] <FTTP> sax2 is suse
[08:46] <discord> rss: did you try ccdroast?
[08:46] <FTTP> what?
[08:46] <discord> xcdroast
[08:46] <FTTP> :)
[08:46] <rss> discord, is it on the main repository?
[08:46] <rss> it is not configured
[08:46] <rss> i think
[08:46] <discord> rss probably aptget install xcdroast
[08:46] <rss> wanted to blank a CD-RW
[08:46] <discord> then there is a menu to choose drive, etc.
[08:46] <rss> so tried in cdrecord
[08:47] <rss> cdrecord blank=all
[08:47] <gloin_> k3b is still by far the nicest CD-mastering program I've seen for any OS
[08:47] <rss> but it came back with errors
[08:47] <discord> gloin is it for linux?
[08:47] <rss> i think it should use /dev/scd0
[08:47] <FTTP> gloin:  What tool does ubuntu have for configuring screensize?
[08:47] <FTTP> sax2 is suse :P
[08:48] <rss> but it is saying something about /dev/sg*
[08:48] <gloin_> discord: yeah
[08:48] <rss> which I believe is not for my cd writer
[08:48] <gloin_> and it is amazing =] 
[08:48] <discord> i think there is some XF86config thing
[08:48] <discord> if you dont want to edit it directly
[08:48] <rss> FTTP, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:48] <rss> sudo
[08:50] <UbuntuNewbie> Hmmm ... looking at /dev for a ttyusb0 or ttyusb1, or *anything* claiming to be either usb or pilot ... coming up empty. A lot of numbered tty devices, some ttys (serial?), no usb, no pilot
[08:50] <FTTP> rss im going to try the nvidia driver 1st
[08:50] <FTTP> Note (optional): the nvidia-settings package provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as gamma correction.
[08:50] <FTTP> how do i install nivida-settings?
[08:50] <FTTP> i installed the nvidia driver just now
[08:51] <discord> it should be on the package manager
[08:51] <discord> just choose it
[08:51] <FTTP> sudo apt-get nvidia-settings?
[08:51] <Gaaruto> sudo apt-get install nvidia-setting
[08:51] <FTTP> oh
[08:51] <FTTP> thanks
[08:51] <Gaaruto> :)
[08:51] <discord> FTTP new to the apt-get?
[08:51] <FTTP> yep
[08:52] <discord> what distro were you on b4?
[08:52] <UbuntuNewbie> Unrelated question - has anyone seen a .deb for the new 0.9 version of mozilla thunderbird yet?
[08:52] <FTTP> well i tried various distros long time ago
[08:52] <FTTP> like slackware 3.0
[08:52] <FTTP> and redhat 8
[08:52] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: there is a 1.x version in hoary (testing) version
[08:52] <FTTP> and mandrake when it was a redhat with kde
[08:52] <thoreauputic> FTTP: to find stuff with apt:  apt-cache search nvidia  (for example)
[08:52] <UbuntuNewbie> W00t! I'll check that out ...
[08:53] <FTTP> oh no
[08:53] <FTTP> i didnt read the directions
[08:53] <discord> mandrake doesnt use a redhat kernel anymore?
[08:53] <FTTP> NVIDIA Graphics Card
[08:53] <FTTP> Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-3
[08:53] <FTTP> do i need to redo all the commands ?
[08:53] <FTTP> or just install the i686 kernel now?
[08:53] <discord> anyone from the seattle area in here?
[08:54] <discord> you need those modules
[08:54] <discord> they are restricted
[08:54] <thoreauputic> discord: mandrake hasn't used a redhat kernel for *eons*
[08:54] <discord> because they contain non free stuff i think
[08:54] <FTTP> discord right but do i need to redo the config
[08:54] <FTTP> or does new kernel automatically change everything
[08:55] <FTTP> for the nvidia drivers i mean
[08:55] <thoreauputic> gloin_: debian does it for backward compatibility with old hardware
[08:55] <FTTP> i should have installed drivers after kernel or it doesnt matter?
[08:55] <discord> gloin its because that is the generic x86 everyone has although i think slackware may compile for i486 now
[08:55] <thoreauputic> gloin_: a good thing for people recycling old computers etc
[08:55] <discord> not many in the us still with a 386 though
[08:56] <discord> that thing is a dinasaur
[08:56] <discord> i have a commodore 64 though
[08:56] <FTTP> discord:  does it matter that i did the kernel after the drivers?
[08:56] <FTTP> or it doesnt matter?
[08:56] <thoreauputic> discord: we are talking internationally here ( third world countries for instance)
[08:56] <discord> um no i dont think so
[08:56] <FTTP> ok thanks
[08:56] <discord> just make sure you have the drivers and the matching kernel
[08:56] <FTTP> yep
[08:57] <FTTP> ok gonna reboot
[08:57] <Chibi> Damn, This article is getting WAY too long.
[08:57] <FTTP> brb
[08:57] <discord> i know this thats why i said in the us
[08:57] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_ - do I need to *create* /dev/ttyusb0 and/or /dev/ttyusb1? I see a MAKEDEV shell script ...
[08:57] <discord> just didnt capitalize US
[08:57] <lil_anthony> question: i have 2 network cards in my computer one pci and one isa after getting the isa one to work by disabling pnp on its chip using a dos disk and setting is io to 300h and irq to 10 and setting it to reserved for legacy.  now my pci card does not work but shows up in device manager any reason how to fix this? every time i try to click on networking to activate it nothing happens
[08:58] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: you shouldn't need to make those devices... I'm really curious as to how your mouse is being seen the way it is
[08:58] <discord> anyone try gentoo in here?
[08:58] <Agrajag> I used it for a year
[08:58] <UbuntuNewbie> This is odd, then, there is no /dev/anythingUSB device I can see
[08:58] <discord> do you need both lil_anthony are you using it as a server?
[08:58] <discord> router?
[08:58] <thoreauputic> discord: yeah, and actually I think 486 would be fine since getting linux to run on 386 with a GUI would be practically impossible, I suspect
[08:59] <discord> um
[08:59] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that is odd.. I have no clue, honestly
[08:59] <discord> windowmaker maybe
[08:59] <discord> i mean 386 ran windoxe 3.1
[08:59] <lil_anthony> i'm using it as a server per say here is what i'm dong i hve a crossover going to my laptop for filesharing on a windows box using samba
[08:59] <FTTP> drivers fixed my problem, but now instead of ubuntu, my computer loads with an nvidia logo
[08:59] <thoreauputic> discord: true
[09:00] <lil_anthony> the laptop is connected to a wireless router but i have theh crossover plugged in to its other port
[09:00] <lil_anthony> that is internal to the laptop
[09:00] <FTTP> how do i restore the ubuntu logo ? :P
[09:00] <gloin_> hehe
[09:00] <lil_anthony> two totally seperate ips
[09:00] <discord> whats with that setup lil_anthony? trying to forward some traffic through it?
[09:00] <UbuntuNewbie> lil_anthony - you might pick up an inexpensive PCI 10/100 card. I've seen them as low as $5/$10 - would not want an ISA card in my server if I could avoid it
[09:01] <FTTP> discord:  the nvidia driver settings change the ubuntu logos?
[09:01] <lil_anthony> well i understand all that
[09:01] <gloin_> lil_anthony: I'm thinking you probably have IRQ issues - good old ISA cards pretty much don't know how to configure themselves
[09:01] <lil_anthony> but i had it working
[09:01] <FTTP> discord:  Now it boots into nvidia ugly screen
[09:01] <gloin_> lil_anthony: you may have to configure it from the BIOS
[09:01] <lil_anthony> i hard configured it and it was working
[09:01] <lil_anthony> i did
[09:01] <discord> FTTP you have to edit your config file to tell it not too
[09:01] <discord> hold on ill look at mine
[09:01] <FTTP> discord how do i do that?
[09:01] <lil_anthony> and again the isa card IS WORKING but the pci is not
[09:01] <FTTP> which is the config file?
[09:02] <discord> /etc/X11/XF86_4config or something of that nature
[09:02] <lil_anthony> i set the isa's io to 300h and the irq to 10
[09:02] <discord> anyone know why they are not using Xorg?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> /etc/X11/XF86config-4
[09:02] <lil_anthony> and i did modprobe 3c509 io=0x300 irq=10
[09:03] <lil_anthony> and the isa card works
[09:03] <gloin_> discord: there's a faq on that - hoary does use xorg
[09:03] <lil_anthony> just can't get the pci one to
[09:03] <discord> hoary is that the testing version?
[09:03] <thoreauputic> actually that should be /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:03] <discord> or is that the nickname for
[09:03] <gloin_> discord: yeah
[09:03] <thoreauputic> case sensitive :/
[09:03] <discord> warty warthog
[09:03] <Agrajag> yes, warty is stable, hoary is testing
[09:04] <FTTP> discord which line?
[09:04] <FTTP> discord:  I dont see anything in there that could be it
[09:04] <FTTP> but what do i know :)
[09:04] <UbuntuNewbie> lil_anthony, I guess I would ask, with 100BaseT and even gigabit cards so cheap, is this troubleshooting problem worth your time? That being said, do you have to tell the PCI interrupt-controlling thingie (I've forgotten the term) not to use IRQ10 that you gave to the ISA card? That would be a CMOS setting ... I think (it's late here)
[09:04] <discord> Section "Device"
[09:04] <discord> 	Identifier	"NVIDIA Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX - nForce GPU] "
[09:04] <discord> 	Driver		"nvidia"
[09:04] <discord> 	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
[09:04] <discord>         Option "NoLogo" "1"
[09:04] <discord>         Option "TwinView"
[09:04] <discord>         Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync" "30-61"
[09:05] <discord>         Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "56-75"
[09:05] <discord>         Option "MetaModes" "1024x768, 1024x768;800x600, 800x600;"
[09:05] <discord>         Option     "NoTwinViewXineramaInfo" "False"
[09:05] <discord>         Option "TwinViewOrientation"      "RightOf"
[09:05] <discord>         Option      "Xinerama" "on"
[09:05] <discord>         Option      "Clone" "on"
         Option "NoLogo" "1" specifically is what j00 need
[09:05] <discord> FTTP
[09:05] <lil_anthony> considering it ws working like 2 seconds ago yes i would consider it worth the time
[09:06] <Treenaks> discord: please use www.pastebin.com nest time
[09:06] <discord> heheheh
[09:06] <Treenaks> next time too
[09:06] <lil_anthony> both cards were working perfectly
[09:06] <FTTP> discord mine has fontpath, and modules
[09:06] <FTTP> no options
[09:06] <lil_anthony> but X crashed on me so i rebooted and here i am
[09:06] <discord> just goto the device section
[09:06] <Chibi> http://www.studiochibico.com/articles.php?mode=comments&id=30 <- If anyone wants to read something really boring before I switch back to teh ghetto laptop.
[09:06] <gloin_> FTTP: just add 'em in =] 
[09:06] <discord> under driver "nvidia"
[09:07] <discord> and add option line in
[09:07] <discord> you do not need all of mine
[09:07] <FTTP> discord:  ok
[09:07] <discord> anyone use dual monitors in here?
[09:08] <gloin_> man
[09:08] <discord> other than me
[09:08] <discord> both of mine worked
[09:08] <discord> then i removed some ram
[09:08] <discord> and now they dont
[09:08] <discord> had to remove the ram
[09:08] <gloin_> I'd love to talk to whomever is compiling the nvidia drivers for .deb packaging, becaue they clearly know something I don
[09:08] <FTTP> discord mine doesnt have a driver nvidia part
[09:08] <gloin_> 't
[09:08] <discord> cause me nforce 2 mb is a bitchass
[09:08] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_ - just to check my guesses - should I be able to see /dev/ttyusb-something devices in /dev?
[09:08] <gloin_> newest nvida Ddriver BREAKS my system
[09:08] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: that's what I'd expect to see...
[09:08] <smo> I'm using dual-head with nvidia twin-view
[09:09] <discord> smo do you have integrated video?
[09:09] <discord> mine is on the motherboard
[09:09] <smo> nope, an AGP card
[09:09] <discord> when i took my ram out
[09:09] <discord> i only get 1 screen now
[09:09] <discord> but both work in console
[09:09] <UbuntuNewbie> K
[09:10] <discord> its one of those things that no one can help me with
[09:10] <discord> sigh
[09:11] <smo> I'll admit I've not seen a motherboard with two outputs onboard.  But then I generally avoid onboard anything  (I broke my own rule today, and it bit me .. so call me jaded)
[09:12] <UbuntuNewbie> 'Cause I don't ...
[09:12] <discord> its funny they call freenode UBUNTU Servers
[09:12] <FTTP> ok gonna try it
[09:12] <FTTP> rebooting
[09:12] <FTTP> brb
[09:14] <UbuntuNewbie> lil_anthony - do the CMOS settings for your mobo allow you to set PCI configuration? That might let you reserve IRQ10 for the ISA card, which I assume is not plug and play...
[09:15] <FTTP> ok now it shows no logo, not even the ubuntu logo when u start up
[09:15] <FTTP> it shows some text then goes straight into ubuntu login screen
[09:16] <FTTP> how do i get it back to normal?
[09:16] <Treenaks> UbuntuNewbie: if the bios doesn't support it, you can force it with acpi_isa_irq=10
[09:16] <UbuntuNewbie> Treenaks: I think that's for lil_anthony (acpi_isa_irq=10)
[09:16] <Treenaks> UbuntuNewbie: yes, but only if the bios doesn't support it
[09:17] <Treenaks> this is from suse, but might help:
[09:17] <Treenaks> http://portal.suse.com/sdb/en/2002/10/81_acpi.html
[09:17] <FTTP> i should just be able to do apt-get and it should work fine and not change stuff <grin>
[09:17] <FTTP> ill check my old file
[09:17] <Hyp-mer-tized> (my eyes are getting heavy ...)
[09:17] <Hyp-mer-tized> (sleepy ...)
[09:18] <discord> FTTP what is the problem
[09:18] <UbuntuNewbie> Time to schedule some downtime; thanks all
[09:18] <discord> did you have the nvidia logo before?
[09:18] <discord> does the nvidia driver not work for you?
[09:18] <FTTP> discord driver works fine
[09:19] <discord> so did that option not work?
[09:19] <FTTP> discord:  But when i added no logo, it boots right into the login prompt
[09:19] <FTTP> didnt it used to have a ubuntu with text underneath?
[09:19] <discord> what did it do before?
[09:19] <FTTP> or was that only for the install
[09:19] <discord> i dunno i dont use gpm
[09:20] <discord> but i wouldnt think that option would mess with it
[09:20] <discord> i login to console
[09:20] <FTTP> hmm
[09:20] <FTTP> anyone else here?
[09:20] <smo> I'm curious exactly what part of the bootup process you're expecting to see the logo?
[09:20] <FTTP> smo:  You know the ubuntu logo where there is text underneath
[09:20] <FTTP> is that just for the install?
[09:21] <smo> the half blue / half black you see when it first boots the install CD?
[09:21] <discord> you mean the background?
[09:21] <FTTP> smo:  When u boot into ubuntu what do you see?
[09:21] <FTTP> smo:  Just a little text then the ubuntu login prompt?
[09:21] <smo> lots and lots of scrolling text, and then gdm's login screen
[09:22] <FTTP> i see a few lines of text, then the login
[09:22] <FTTP> yeah its normal i guess
[09:22] <discord> sounds right

[09:22] <FTTP> ill put back the logo
[09:22] <discord> heheh
[09:22] <FTTP> i shouldnt have messed with it :P
[09:22] <discord> you know what is nice
[09:22] <discord> bootsplash
[09:22] <discord> thats what you want FTTP
[09:22] <discord> heheheh
[09:22] <discord> when i turn on my laptop
[09:22] <discord> i get the text
[09:22] <discord> with a big penguin in the background
[09:22] <smo> I've actually found a use for bootsplash now.  suprised myself  (it's not usually on my list of wants)
[09:23] <discord> whats that smo?
[09:23] <smo> building a PVR .. watching linux boot on a TV feels so wrong
[09:23] <smo> reminds me of so many years where the keyboard, tape deck & computer were all the same beige lump
[09:25] <discord> is their an unofficial bootsplash package for ubuntu?
[09:25] <discord> i guess i could use the debian one
[09:25] <discord> it would probably require a custom kernel
[09:26] <discord> man i wanna do some junk to the console
[09:26] <discord> need more programming skillz
[09:26] <Gaaruto> bye all
[09:26] <discord> bootsplash
[09:26] <discord> it would take some serious hacking
[09:27] <FTTP> discord how do i reprobe the modline?
[09:27] <FTTP> i entered in the refresh rates by hand
[09:27] <FTTP> which were all wrong
[09:27] <FTTP> on the modline setting thats prolly wrong too
[09:27] <FTTP> right?
[09:29] <gloin_> man
[09:29] <gloin_> this xserver doesn't break halfway
[09:29] <gloin_> even if I revert, it still won't come back
[09:29] <gloin_> who does the nvidia drivers for ubuntu?
[09:29] <Agrajag> uh
[09:29] <Agrajag> nvidia?
[09:30] <discord> yeah
[09:30] <gloin_> Agrajag: Yeah, the drivers get repackaged and integrated
[09:30] <discord> unless you are using
[09:30] <discord> the nv drivers
[09:30] <gloin_> no
[09:30] <gloin_> I'm using nvidia
[09:30] <discord> then its made by nvidia
[09:30] <gloin_> and tried to upgrade twice to current driver for nvidia
[09:30] <gloin_> no discord
[09:30] <discord> packaged by ubuntu ppls
[09:30] <discord> wherever they are
[09:30] <gloin_> exactly
[09:30] <gloin_> I'd like to find out how they're repackaged so I can upgrade
[09:30] <discord> i dont think they are in here though
[09:31] <gloin_> I've had to reinstall twice because the newer drivers aren't packaged yet and using the one from nvidia ruins the xserver beyond any repair
[09:31] <discord> ubuntu devlopers speak up if you are in here
[09:31] <Agrajag> you could just ue the nvidia installer
[09:31] <gloin_> Agrajag: see above
[09:31] <Agrajag> oh oh
[09:31] <Agrajag> well that's odd
[09:32] <discord> yeah the nvidia driver is an easy install
[09:32] <gloin_> there's some trick that I just don't know
[09:32] <gloin_> discord: lol not for me
[09:32] <discord> does require kernel source though
[09:32] <gloin_> for me the nvidia driver is a reinstall of the OS
[09:32] <discord> why's that?
[09:32] <Agrajag> did you remove the ubuntu-installed driver first?
[09:32] <gloin_> Agrajag: no...
[09:32] <gloin_> umm
[09:32] <gloin_> hmm
[09:32] <Agrajag> well you probably should
[09:32] <Agrajag> start clean
[09:32] <discord> you would think the nvidia one would do it
[09:32] <discord> though
[09:32] <discord> but to be safe
[09:33] <discord> its easy to remove
[09:33] <discord> that script they have
[09:33] <discord> is pretty nice
[09:33] <gloin_> ssh
[09:33] <discord> it usually detects itself
[09:33] <gloin_> I'm going to uninstall here
[09:33] <gloin_> see if I can get away with it
[09:33] <discord> you want me to ssh into your boxen and do it for you
[09:33] <gloin_> lol
[09:33] <discord> :] 
[09:35] <dukeku> it's not boxen
[09:36] <clee> heh.
[09:36] <clee> so, warty fails to boot on an 8-way Unisys system partition.
[09:37] <gloin_> Agrajag: that was the trick =] 
[09:37] <gloin_> saved me from another reinsttall
[09:38] <UbuntuNewbie> Back ...
[09:38] <UbuntuNewbie> gloin_: Just wanted to say I think I've got it working (the Palm sync) ...
[09:38] <FTTP> ok i have to compile my APC software now
[09:38] <FTTP> no compiler included with ubuntu right?
[09:38] <Agrajag> apt-get install build-essential
[09:39] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: what was the trick for it?
[09:39] <Agrajag> that give you gcc and some others
[09:39] <Agrajag> gives
[09:39] <UbuntuNewbie> Used mknod to create /dev/ttyUSB0 through /dev/ttyUSB15, set a symlink to /dev/ttyUSB1 for the palm, and pointed jpilot to the symlink
[09:39] <GammaRay> Agrajag: build-essential
[09:40] <FTTP> thanks agrajag
[09:40] <UbuntuNewbie> It's sync'ing now; if it ever stops I'll know if it was OK or not ...
[09:40] <Agrajag> GammaRay: what
[09:40] <gloin_> heh
[09:40] <gloin_> UbuntuNewbie: if it makes you feel any better, I get to do battle with my iPod when I get vid drivers stabilized
[09:40] <UbuntuNewbie> LOL
[09:41] <GammaRay> Agrajag: that package
[09:41] <Agrajag> GammaRay: what about it
[09:41] <UbuntuNewbie> I'm feeling just fine, tho worn out (bloody but unbowed?)
[09:41] <gloin_> heh
[09:41] <gloin_> same
[09:41] <GammaRay> Agrajag: I guess I mis-read what you said
[09:41] <gloin_> I'm now on hoary with the newest nvidia drivers, which ARE a lot faster =] 
[09:41] <gloin_> so life is good
[09:42] <clee> mmm.
[09:42] <clee> hoary is my friend.
[09:42] <stuNNed> is there an ubuntu document for compiling kernel?  (i need to do this to change something from M to built in)
[09:42] <gloin_> eh, I call 10% framerate increase in glxgears worth the effort =] 
[09:42] <gloin_> stuNNed: there's a wiki on it
[09:43] <lhb> stuNNed: in the wiki is about 3
[09:43] <UbuntuNewbie> Worked ...
[09:43] <stuNNed> gloin_, lnb: thanks mates
[09:43] <FTTP> The PowerChute Business Edition Agent requires at least
[09:43] <FTTP>       Sun Microsystems' JVM 1.4.1.
[09:43] <gloin_> w00t
[09:43] <FTTP> how do i apt-get jvm 1.4.1?
[09:43] <FTTP> or can i ?
[09:43] <gloin_> ok now to get root back...
[09:43] <UbuntuNewbie> I come from a Window$ environment I'm not used to things working
[09:43] <clee> ah, the sed update totally killed me until I rememberd aptitude hold
[09:44] <clee> (on hammer)
[09:44] <clee> dunno if it was broken on i386
[09:44] <gloin_> clee: sed's fixed now =] 
[09:44] <clee> gloin_: Glad to hear that :)
[09:44] <clee> means I can upgrade my work workstation :)
[09:45] <clee> so, man. did anybody else here see The Incredibles?
[09:46] <discord> FTTP
[09:47] <FTTP> discord yes?
[09:47] <discord> wjere os that bonobo bot when you need it
[09:47] <FTTP> does sun java work with apt-get?
[09:47] <FTTP> or do i need to download it from sun?
[09:48] <discord> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:48] <discord> read that
[09:48] <discord> man im good
[09:48] <discord> and no thank u's
[09:48] <discord> i think that means its bedtime
[09:50] <UbuntuNewbie> I think discord had a point there
[09:51] <UbuntuNewbie> Thanks again, gloin_ - Khazad ai menu
[10:03] <FTTP> can someone help me install the sun java for linux i downloaded?
[10:03] <FTTP> i tried the website stuff but it didnt work
[10:03] <stuNNed> FTTP, you can get blackdown in the repo's
[10:03] <FTTP> stunned:  Is that 1.4.2?
[10:03] <luc1f3r> hey guys
[10:04] <luc1f3r> where is the best place for me to get Nvidia drivers?
[10:04] <stuNNed> FTTP, it's blackdown 1.4_something
[10:04] <FTTP> stunned:  There are 2 of em, fs and rc1
[10:04] <luc1f3r> or rather, the Nvidia driver for my GFX card
[10:04] <FTTP> ok which should i get?
[10:04] <FTTP> fs or rc1?
[10:04] <Agrajag> luc1f3r: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:04] <stuNNed> FTTP, do you have deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/ ./ as a line in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[10:04] <Treenaks> http://www.ubuntulinux/org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:05] <luc1f3r> Agrajag: will that be the newest driver?
[10:05] <Treenaks> luc1f3r: it'll be the driver that was the newest when warty was released
[10:05] <luc1f3r> I think I've done that...  My problem is in the Screen Resolution settings
[10:05] <Treenaks> morning daniels
[10:05] <Agrajag> no, if you want the latest ones I suggest going to nvidia.com
[10:05] <daniels> morning
[10:05] <luc1f3r> okay
[10:06] <FTTP> stunned nope in synaptic do i have to add the / ./ also?
[10:06] <stuNNed> FTTP, not sure about synaptic, let me check
[10:06] <FTTP> stunned in distribution and sections what do i put?
[10:07] <stuNNed> FTTP, on URI line put: http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/
[10:07] <stuNNed> FTTP, an on Distribution line put: ./
[10:07] <stuNNed> and that should cover it.
[10:08] <stuNNed> then 'Reload' and install j2re1.4
[10:10] <FTTP> stunned also how do i install my apc software?
[10:10] <FTTP> its also a .bin
[10:10] <FTTP> for linux
[10:10] <stuNNed> FTTP, apc?
[10:10] <FTTP> my ups
[10:11] <Agrajag> chmod +x whatever.bin && sudo ./whatever.bin
[10:11] <FTTP> it needed java
[10:11] <FTTP> ok
[10:11] <FTTP> also in my screen it says applying changes
[10:11] <FTTP> for the java
[10:11] <stuNNed> FTTP, you probly need to manually copy the plugin to your firefox plugins dir as well
[10:11] <FTTP> and it had long text and said end
[10:11] <stuNNed> FTTP, did you accept the agreement?
[10:11] <FTTP> no
[10:11] <Treenaks> uh
[10:11] <Treenaks> if you need java
[10:12] <FTTP> how do i accept the aggreement?
[10:12] <Treenaks> http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[10:12] <Treenaks> look at this one
[10:12] <FTTP> its stuck at end
[10:12] <FTTP> i pressed enter but nothing
[10:12] <stuNNed> FTTP, press 'q'
[10:12] <stuNNed> FTTP, then 'yes'
[10:12] <stuNNed> ?
[10:12] <FTTP> thanks :)
[10:13] <seek187> lol I got so mad when I couldn't figure that out :P
[10:13] <stuNNed> FTTP, but if you want java 1.5 see Treenaks' link, thanks Treenaks
[10:13] <Treenaks> stuNNed: it works great for applets on websites
[10:13] <seek187> I don't just see why no one just uses the plain installer I think it's easier
[10:14] <Treenaks> seek187: the package also plays nice with the debian "alternatives" system and the other java-packages available
[10:14] <FTTP> Exception in main class "JExpressLoader"
[10:14] <FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?
[10:14] <FTTP> now what?
[10:14] <Treenaks> 10:14 < FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?
[10:14] <Treenaks> look at the log file, check if you have enough disk space ???
[10:14] <FTTP> treenaks yep after i tried what agrajag told me
[10:14] <FTTP> treenaks plenty of space
[10:15] <FTTP> Thu Nov 18 04:14:03 2004 Java wizard not started properly
[10:15] <FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk space?
[10:15] <FTTP> Thu Nov 18 04:14:03 2004 Other possible causes for errors:
[10:15] <FTTP>     * Read/write access rights to the 'temp' and installation directories?
[10:15] <FTTP>     * OS need to be patched to run Java apps?
[10:15] <FTTP>     * Anti-virus software installed that won't permit unknonwn executable or JAR
[10:15] <FTTP> do i need to do it after reboot?
[10:16] <smo> was that errors.log ?
[10:16] <FTTP> yes
[10:16] <Treenaks> FTTP: no, reboots are only necessary for kernel upgrades and hardware upgrades
[10:16] <FTTP> hmm
[10:16] <FTTP> so now what?
[10:16] <FTTP> i tried that chmod +x and sudo /.
[10:17] <Treenaks> FTTP: sudo /. ?????
[10:17] <FTTP> thats what agrajag told me to do
[10:17] <FTTP> sudo filename /.
[10:17] <Treenaks>  /. ? that is just weird..
[10:18] <FTTP> err ./ filename
[10:18] <Treenaks> ./filename then without the space
[10:18] <FTTP> sudo ./filename is what he said
[10:18] <FTTP> is that right?
[10:18] <Treenaks> FTTP: could be
[10:18] <Treenaks> FTTP: but look at http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html, really
[10:18] <Treenaks> FTTP: it's so much easier
[10:18] <jmhodges> back..
[10:18] <jmhodges> oh man..
[10:18] <jmhodges> sed still hasn't made it in?
[10:18] <FTTP> no he said /.
[10:18] <FTTP> he said sudo ./filename
[10:18] <Treenaks> jmhodges: sed is fixed.. according to some poeple here
[10:19] <FTTP> now im confused
[10:19] <FTTP> i did the chmod +x
[10:19] <seek187> yup it is!
[10:19] <jmhodges> Treenaks: really? wonder why it didnt hit hoary-changes
[10:19] <FTTP> seek187:  What is the right command?
[10:19] <jmhodges> Treenaks: i less than three you
[10:19] <FTTP> seek187:  I did the chmod x filename
[10:19] <seek187> FTTP, for what
[10:19] <jmhodges> seek187: you as well :)
[10:19] <FTTP> to install a bin?
[10:19] <Treenaks> jmhodges: hm.. people here told me
[10:19] <jmhodges> thanks :)
[10:19] <seek187> sudo ./filename
[10:19] <Treenaks> FTTP: the java binary package from sun.com you mean?
[10:19] <FTTP> no
[10:19] <FTTP> the apc .bin
[10:19] <Agrajag> no, I said ./
[10:19] <FTTP> for powerchute
[10:20] <Agrajag> look up
[10:20] <Treenaks> FTTP: the what?
[10:20] <Treenaks> FTTP: ah ok
[10:20] <FTTP> agrajag thats what i did
[10:20] <Agrajag> I'm not that tired
[10:20] <FTTP> ill try it again
[10:20] <Treenaks> FTTP: isn't there a package for APC UPSs?
[10:20] <seek187> Oh were not talking about java anymore
[10:20] <FTTP> treenaks i got it from apc website
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: don't do that..
[10:21] <seek187> er
[10:21] <smo> Is there any way to make apt-get more verbose?  (in particular, it's telling me it can't satisfy build-dep mozilla-firefox, but no mention of what's missing)
[10:21] <FTTP> Exception in main class "JExpressLoader"
[10:21] <FTTP>     See errors.log for other possible causes.out of disk
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: get apcupsd from the archive
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: "Jexpressloader" sounds like it's java.. do you have java?
[10:21] <FTTP> yes
[10:21] <FTTP> i just installed that before
[10:21] <Treenaks> FTTP: then you might have the wrong version. and also, use the apcupsd _package_ and not some tool from some website
[10:21] <seek187> FTTP, does the command which java show it?
[10:22] <seek187> 'which java'
[10:22] <FTTP> what command?
[10:22] <FTTP> oh
[10:22] <FTTP> which java command
[10:22] <Treenaks> FTTP: no nono
[10:22] <Treenaks> FTTP: type "which java" on a command line
[10:22] <Treenaks> FTTP: then press ENTER
[10:22] <FTTP> /usr/bin/java
[10:22] <FTTP> yep
[10:22] <seek187> ok
[10:23] <FTTP> so whats with the java error?
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[10:24] <FTTP> see thats the thing about debian
[10:24] <Treenaks> FTTP: we don't know. use the package instead of some crappy piece of software from the manufacturer
[10:24] <FTTP> treenaks ok how do i install it?
[10:24] <FTTP> ill try that one
[10:24] <FTTP> the manufacturer software is great tho
[10:24] <Agrajag> apt-get install apcupsd
[10:24] <Treenaks> FTTP: search for APC in synaptic
[10:24] <Agrajag> maybe?
[10:24] <Treenaks> or that
[10:24] <FTTP> it shows my power voltages and everything in graphs
[10:25] <Treenaks> FTTP: apcupsd logs those.. you can get cacti to make graphs for you
[10:27] <FTTP> treenaks no apcupsd in there
[10:27] <FTTP> :(
[10:27] <seek187> apcupsd is in universe
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: do you have universe enabled?
[10:27] <FTTP> nope
[10:27] <FTTP> how do i enable that?
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: do that then
[10:27] <wfx> im sorry but i sutdown the bonobo bot.
[10:27] <FTTP> whats the url  and the other part?
[10:27] <wfx> shutdown
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: just read /etc/apt/sources.list please
[10:27] <Treenaks> FTTP: it contains instructions
[10:28] <seek187> FTTP,  are you in synaptic?
[10:28] <seek187> yeah do that
[10:28] <seek187> :P
[10:28] <FTTP> yes im in synaptic
[10:28] <FTTP> seek187 ok what do i add? :)
[10:28] <smo> they should already be entered in synaptic .. you just need to check them to enable them  (it understands comments .. very nice)
[10:28] <seek187> FTTP go to settings > repositories
[10:29] <seek187> and check the two greyed out repositories
[10:29] <FTTP> oops
[10:29] <FTTP> its there :)
[10:29] <seek187> now press reload after you do that
[10:29] <seek187> ok
[10:29] <FTTP> seek187 how do i remove that java?
[10:29] <FTTP> since its a bad version
[10:29] <FTTP> or can i?
[10:29] <seek187> How do you now it's bad?
[10:30] <FTTP> it wont work with the other app
[10:30] <FTTP> seek187:  One problem, my apc is usb
[10:30] <FTTP> the apc module for linux is serial
[10:30] <seek187> did you try installing that app with apt-get and not the factory one?
[10:30] <smo> I've a feeling my system is subtly hosed.  libgnome2-dev isn't installable in warty?
[10:31] <Treenaks> FTTP: it works for usb as well
[10:31] <Treenaks> FTTP: believe me, I tried
[10:31] <FTTP> treenaks ok
[10:31] <FTTP> installing apcupsd now
[10:32] <FTTP> where did the program add to?
[10:32] <Mayday> anyone know where to find xcompmgr och transet for hoary?
[10:32] <FTTP> treenaks i installed it but i dont see it
[10:32] <seek187>  http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/
[10:33] <Mayday> thanks
[10:33] <FTTP> do i need to relog for it?
[10:33] <Treenaks> FTTP: please be a bit clearer
[10:33] <Treenaks> FTTP: WHAT did you install and WHAT don't you see?
[10:33] <FTTP> treenaks:  do i need to log out of gnome?
[10:33] <FTTP> the apc app
[10:33] <FTTP> apcsd or whatever
[10:35] <Treenaks> FTTP: it's running. in the background.
[10:35] <FTTP> treenaks so how do i load it?
[10:35] <FTTP> i mean see it
[10:35] <Treenaks> FTTP: ps ax
[10:35] <FTTP> ps ax in terminal?
[10:35] <Treenaks> FTTP: or in the system tool thingy
[10:36] <Treenaks> FTTP: it's a deamon process. it runs in the background.
[10:36] <lil_anthony> anyone able to help me with a pci network card issue please? for some reason my pci nic suddenly refuses to work :( and when i go to networking to enable it it freezes then closes and its still disabled :(
[10:36] <Treenaks> FTTP: you might need to reconfigure it for your needs, there should be a configuration file in /etc/ somewhere
[10:36] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: what kind of nic
[10:36] <lil_anthony> 3c905b
[10:36] <FTTP> acpid?
[10:36] <lil_anthony> 3com
[10:36] <lil_anthony> it was working fine then all the sudden no go for launch
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: acpid != apcupsd
[10:37] <lil_anthony> after X crashed on me making me reboot :(
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[10:37] <FTTP> treenaks then its not running
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: it helps
[10:37] <FTTP> there is no apcupsd on that list
[10:37] <Treenaks> FTTP: then you might need to configure it for your situation
[10:37] <smo> and /usr/share/doc/apcupsd/  .. there's a reason people take the time to write documentation
[10:38] <FTTP> smo all thats in there is copyright and changelogs
[10:39] <lil_anthony> any ideas tree?
[10:39] <FTTP> oh examples dir?
[10:40] <FTTP> night
[10:41] <smo> ahh, I finally managed to wade thru my own mess far enough to get this sorted.  I just discovered why repositories don't mix
[10:59] <Mayday> xcompmgr is just supposed to be run right? or do i need to add alot of cmdline flags to get it do its thing?
[11:05] <sladen> Mayday: xcompmgr is known buggy at the moment so is not started by default
[11:12] <stuNNed> Treenaks, ok so this sun 1.5 java does do nicely with java applets, thanks!
[11:14] <Treenaks> stuNNed: I told you :P
[11:15] <rsacherer> hello!! I am using ubuntu hoary and in gnome the nautilus filemanager and the file-open dialog are horrible slow, i notice if i start a app from console messages like 'could not connect to /tmp/fam-rsacherer' ...
[11:15] <stuNNed> rsacherer, you need to install ...
[11:16] <stuNNed> gamin
[11:17] <stuNNed> rsacherer, think that will fix, not really sure.
[11:17] <rsacherer> gamin? i install it
[11:18] <Gmail> rsacherer: do the following
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get update
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base
[11:18] <Gmail> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <Gmail> ooops
[11:18] <stuNNed> rsacherer, yes, gamin
[11:19] <Gmail> stuNNed: i ment you
[11:19] <rsacherer> hmmm, it seems gamin did the trick, once installed, it works like a charm :-)
[11:19] <stuNNed> rsacherer, new fam subprocess or something, not sure.
[11:19] <Gmail> stuNNed: if you don't have gamin install that means you don't have ubuntu-base install and you need it install if your using hoary
[11:20] <Gmail> rsacherer: its part of ubuntu-base
[11:20] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop, not ubuntu-base
[11:20] <rsacherer> Gmail, if i install ubuntu-desktop, it removes totem-gxine and installs totem-gstreamer, but IMO totem-gstreamer is buggy as hell, can i install totem-gxine after installing ubuntu-desktop? or has it dependencys-conflicts after that?
[11:21] <Treenaks> rsacherer: you can't have both installed at the same time.
[11:22] <Gmail> ubuntu-desktop just relies on stuff
[11:22] <Gmail> make sure you have everything else it relies on
[11:22] <bur[n] er> is anyone a crossover office user?
[11:22] <Gmail> no
[11:22] <bur[n] er> well damn
[11:22] <bur[n] er> ;)
[11:23] <rsacherer> are there any other packages which are NOT installed through a dist-upgrade when upgrading from warty to hoary which are essential for ubuntu?
[11:23] <Gmail> <<< is a gmail user thought
[11:23] <bur[n] er> <<< is a gmail user too
[11:23] <Gmail> <<< is a gmail user three
[11:23] <bur[n] er> encrypted pop via ssl, my pay-for email server doesn't have that
[11:23] <rsacherer> <<< is a gmail user also :-)
[11:24] <Gmail> <<< is a gmail addic
[11:24] <fabbione> ok please stop
[11:24] <fabbione> it's offtopic
[11:25] <bur[n] er> topic being?  hrm... i didn't order a cd
[11:26] <Gmail> smo: gmail supports pop3
[11:26] <stuNNed> question: will ubuntu ever have novell linux desktop open office fonts and document filters?
[11:26] <Gmail> stuNNed: ubuntu is not novell
[11:26] <Gmail> novell make there own distroS
[11:27] <stuNNed> wonder if they will f/oss it.
[11:27] <Gmail> its oss
[11:27] <Gmail> you pay for the binary form
[11:27] <Gmail> and you get support included
[11:28] <scaroo> stuNNed, the shiped OO has already the patches from ximian, for the fonts i dunno
[11:28] <topyli> fonts can have the strangest licenses
[11:29] <stuNNed> scaroo, think ximian will continue to release patches now that they are part of novell?
[11:29] <xukun> hi
[11:29] <Gmail> hi
[11:30] <topyli> stuNNed: why not? ximian seems more open than ever now :)
[11:30] <scaroo> stuNNed, yep, the OOO licence force them to, and dont forget that ximian guys are goooood guys :)
[11:30] <scaroo> http://ooo.ximian.com/
[11:30] <scaroo> see url above
[11:30] <xukun> ist worth to compile my own kernel for ubuntu?
[11:31] <Gmail> no
[11:31] <Gmail> the ubuntu kernel is better than a home made one
[11:31] <scaroo> xukun, no if your hw is supported by the vanilla one
[11:32] <stuNNed> scaroo, i need piix kernel support to be built into kernel and not as module, will that mess up ide_core, libata and the like modules?
[11:32] <Gmail> the ubuntu kernel is not a vinilla one
[11:32] <Gmail> its a debian + ubuntu one
[11:33] <scaroo> Gmail, by vanilla i d though ubuntu defalut
[11:33] <stuNNed> topyli, scaroo: there is OpenOffice_org-1.1.3-0.15.src.rpm on novell's ftp site! :D
[11:33] <scaroo> stuNNed, i realle dunno about the piix support, sorry
[11:34] <stuNNed> scaroo, logically speaking though, as long as the support is there in the kernel, built in or not, then corresponding modules should load right?  or just build all associated into kernel maybe...
[11:38] <Kamion> (sed fixed)
[11:38] <scaroo> :D
[11:38] <scaroo> what was the issue with its infopage ?
[11:39] <Kamion> just a build issue
[11:40] <Kamion> some old .info files were lying around in the source package and confused matters
[11:40] <stuNNed> how do i list files in a .deb that is not installed?
[11:41] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: you need to install apt-file  ( and run apt-file update)
[11:42] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, thanks mate
[11:42] <thoreauputic> themn you can do for instance apt-file search foobar to find files in that package
[11:42] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, actually, the file isn't from hoary/warty
[11:43] <stuNNed> does this matter?
[11:43] <thoreauputic> as long as it's from the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list I think apt-file should work
[11:44] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, talking about a rogue .deb file really
[11:44] <thoreauputic> but I'm on debian so I can't be certain ( can't see why not though)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> rogue?
[11:44] <stuNNed> thoreauputic, a deb generated from alien actually
[11:44] <thoreauputic> ah I see
[11:45] <thoreauputic> well if you have the rpm you can look at its contenets in midnight commander
[11:45] <thoreauputic> *contents
[11:45] <scaroo> dpkg-deb -c *.deb
[11:46] <thoreauputic> scaroo: is that to see a *.deb's contents?
[11:46] <scaroo> from the man, it seems to, but i never used that :)
[11:46] <Kamion> yes, it is
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Kamion: thanks :)
[11:47] <stuNNed> scaroo, yes, that's what i was looking for, thanks, and thanks thoreauputic
[11:47] <thoreauputic> stuNNed: you're welcome
[11:48] <scaroo> stuNNed, np, dont forget to share your OOO bianries ;)
[11:48] <stuNNed> scaroo, will do, will do :)
[11:48] <stuNNed> scaroo, i have new industrial theme, courtesy of another #ubuntu user, if you like
[11:51] <scaroo> stuNNed, what has changed in industrial ?
[11:52] <stuNNed> if i use alien with no arguments to convert a .tar.gz that is meant to be unzipped at / would that work?
[11:52] <stuNNed> scaroo, well, a few things, an overhaul i guess, icons...titlebar color, slight change in border color
[11:53] <scaroo> stuNNed, is it still so bright ?
[11:53] <scaroo> i found indubstrial, easier on the eyes
[11:53] <scaroo> s/found/find/
[11:54] <stuNNed> scaroo, the borders are a little darker, titlebar is a little darker, icons lighter maybe? one sec i'll put up a screenshot
[11:56] <Gmail> Kamion: if sed is fixed we can add what i took out
[11:56] <Kano> hi
[11:56] <Kano> can someone give me the result of:
[11:57] <Kano> dpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions
[11:57] <scaroo> scaroo@trantor ~/Doom 3 $ dpkg -S /lib/lsb/init-functions
[11:57] <scaroo> lsb-base: /lib/lsb/init-functions
[11:57] <stuNNed> how to test run a deb file to see where it installs?
[11:58] <Kano> hmm a different package than in sid
[11:59] <Kano> dpkg -S $(which log_begin_msg)
[11:59] <Kano> and that
[11:59] <Gmail> --- Cannot join #ubuntu-offtopic (You are banned).
[11:59] <Gmail> that is unfair
[11:59] <hbos> great, the request password function of the wiki is broken
[12:00] <Gmail> don't force me to talk offtopic here
[12:00] <topyli> Gmail: congrats, you've probably managed to be off topic in there :)
[12:00] <topyli> talking about ubuntu or something
[12:01] <daniels> Gmail: you were banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for flooding the channel with ascii art
[12:01] <daniels> Gmail: may I suggest #offtopic for all your off-topic needs?
[12:01] <stuNNed> scaroo, http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/ubuntu_images/new_industrial.png <-new ximian industrial theme (Industrial-Steel) ?
[12:03] <topyli> stuNNed: hmm. that doesn't hurt as much as the old industrial
[12:03] <topyli> the icons are better
[12:04] <scaroo> stuNNed, really subtle changes , but i sure like the new icons theme :)
[12:04] <stuNNed> topyli, i'm testing a .deb package now...
[12:04] <stuNNed> scaroo, you too :)
[12:05] <topyli> stuNNed: if it works, you must upload it for all the children of the world so we can test :)
[12:06] <Gmail> daniels: doing /exec -o figlet i love ubuntu
[12:06] <Gmail> is not offtopic
[12:06] <Treenaks> Gmail: it is annyoing though
[12:07] <daniels> Gmail: it's enough to justify a ban
[12:07] <stuNNed> okay i did dpkg -c industrial-foo.deb and i get a line like:
[12:07] <topyli> Gmail: you need to start #ubuntu-offtopic-flood :)
[12:07] <stuNNed> -rw-r--r-- root/root       192 2004-11-18 04:52:20 ./usr/share/doc/industrial-steel/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:08] <stuNNed> does the beginning ./ after date mean it will be installed at / ?
[12:08] <stuNNed> i think so but unsure
[12:09] <plovs_work> how do i unmount my usb-filesystem? it says it is in use even if dnus is not running
[12:09] <scaroo> stuNNed, i dunno in this particular case but ./ is the cwd (current working directory) but maybe here the ./ is relative to a debian specific path wich may have the value of "/"
[12:10] <topyli> stuNNed: dunno, to me it looks like it'll be installed in . (working dir)
[12:10] <lil_anthony> can someone help me in getting my nic to get the dhcp assigned address please?
[12:11] <plovs_work> pitti, how do i unmount my usb-filesystem? it says it is in use even if dbus is not stopped
[12:11] <scaroo> lil_anthony, dont ask to ask :)
[12:11] <Gmail> topyli: started
[12:11] <scaroo> lil_anthony, go on
[12:11] <topyli> hehe
[12:11] <pitti> plovs: this is caused by FAM
[12:12] <pitti> plovs: we will replace fam with something sensible in hoary
[12:12] <pitti> plovs_work: ^^
[12:12] <lil_anthony> well i don't know what to ask other than it doesn't work as in try to enable the pci to get an address and it doens't get the address
[12:12] <lil_anthony> the card is detected but no internet
[12:12] <pitti> plovs_work: you can log out and back in if that is possible
[12:12] <stuNNed> dang, how to edit a .deb?
[12:12] <pitti> plovs_work: otherwise, just do "sync", wait a bit and rip it out
[12:12] <scaroo> lil_anthony, try sudo dhclient
[12:12] <plovs_work> pitti, thanks (duh), i'm trying to make a bootable usb and it's a pain
[12:12] <trey`> stuNNed: man dpkg-deb  :)
[12:13] <lil_anthony> ok hang on ahdn thanks
[12:13] <stuNNed> trey`, thanks mate
[12:13] <plovs_work> pitti, umounts now
[12:13] <Gmail> /join #ubuntu-offtopic-flood
[12:14] <scaroo> pfff
[12:14] <lil_anthony> says no dhcpoffers received
[12:15] <scaroo> ok, tell us more about your network, and how it it connected to the net
[12:15] <scaroo> directly with pppoe ? or have you got a gateway ?
[12:15] <lil_anthony> cable modem from a coax to the modem then from modem have cat5 cable to a network card
[12:16] <lil_anthony> not ppoe i'm on cable not dsl
[12:16] <trey`> lil_anthony: stupid question, but you are sure your Cable provider isn't in an outage or anything?
[12:16] <lil_anthony> checked it on my windows bos
[12:16] <stuNNed> whoa, the way man2html is set up in ubuntu is mint
[12:17] <lil_anthony> can check again just to make total sure but it all happened after i tried to get my isa card to work
[12:17] <lil_anthony> i got it working started using kudzu
[12:17] <lil_anthony> found out there was a bug with kudzu so i uninstalled it
[12:17] <lil_anthony> cards were still working both the pci and the isa
[12:17] <lil_anthony> and the gui crashed on me
[12:17] <lil_anthony> so i restarted
[12:18] <lil_anthony> and have no internet
[12:18] <trey`> lil_anthony: Debian usually uses Discover, Ubuntu will use Hotplug exclusively... Kudzu is for Red Hat  ;)
[12:18] <scaroo> what does ifconfig says ?
[12:18] <lil_anthony> hang on
[12:18] <lil_anthony> will try to type it
[12:18] <stuNNed> how does ubuntu allow for inheriting permissions of parent directory if file is placed in that dir
[12:19] <stuNNed> ?
[12:19] <lil_anthony> type it at pastebin or here?
[12:19] <scaroo> pastebin would be better
[12:19] <trey`> lil_anthony: not here... can try #flood or pastebin  :)
[12:19] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:19] <lil_anthony> anything specific your looking for? or you need it all
[12:19] <lil_anthony> cause thatsd alot of typin :)
[12:20] <trey`> lil_anthony: everything in the eth0 section is useful...
[12:20] <scaroo> aw, forgot that you couldn t cpy/paste :p
[12:20] <lil_anthony> yeah unfortunately
[12:20] <lil_anthony> ok i'll just type it
[12:21] <lil_anthony> take me a few mins
[12:22] <trey`> stuNNed: afaik, Unix based systems don't know about inherited permissions... permissions are set via umask etc...
[12:22] <scaroo> trey`, what about ACL ?
[12:23] <trey`> scaroo: could be mistaken, but ACL's aren't used by default afaik...
[12:23] <trey`> They are a new thing for 2.6... so aren't widely used yet  :(
[12:23] <Gmail> err
[12:23] <scaroo> yeah sure, but i think they solve this issue, no ?
[12:24] <Gmail> i terned on my fan and my montor became on shaky
[12:24] <trey`> scaroo: honestly never tried to play with ACL's on a Unix based system  :(
[12:24] <Gmail> the screen is shaking
[12:24] <scaroo> same here
[12:24] <scaroo> ^ trey
[12:24] <Gmail> the top panel is going on and off the screen
[12:24] <lil_anthony> http://www.pastebin.com/121024
[12:25] <scaroo> Gmail, mysterious electro magnetism :)
[12:25] <Gmail> lol
[12:26] <trey`> lil_anthony: that confirms you are not getting a DHCP response  :/   You should be able to use the same info as your current box...
[12:26] <trey`> Use Static, and set it up...
[12:27] <nanotech> anyone here know anything about clustering boxes?
[12:27] <scaroo> lil_anthony, try setting up static ip
[12:27] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:27] <lil_anthony> under networkinig right in manual?
[12:27] <scaroo> ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 up
[12:27] <lil_anthony> oh ok
[12:27] <scaroo> replace 0.0.0.0 by your ip of course :)
[12:27] <lil_anthony> no gateway or anything like that?
[12:28] <scaroo> we ll see that later :)
[12:28] <trey`> lil_anthony: man ifconfig to see how to set that stuff... but I think the Networking GUI app can do it too...
[12:28] <lil_anthony> error while getting interface flags: NO such device
[12:28] <trey`> lil_anthony: ahh... modprobe (what we told you earlier)
[12:29] <lil_anthony> yeah modprobe with that io=0x300 irq=10 thing?
[12:29] <lil_anthony> that was for the isa
[12:29] <lil_anthony> i don't know it for the pci
[12:29] <lil_anthony> oh yeah i do
[12:29] <trey`> lil_anthony: ahh... different card? what is the module?
[12:29] <lil_anthony> 3c905b
[12:30] <lil_anthony> thats my pci
[12:30] <lil_anthony> the isa one works perfect
[12:30] <trey`> k, modprobe that... shouldn't be specific this time...
[12:30] <lil_anthony> but still no internet on it either
[12:30] <stuNNed> scaroo, topyli and others: just 'dirty hacked' the new ximian industrial-steel theme, here goes: http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/debs/industrial-steel_1-2_all.deb there is md5sum of package in same url dir
[12:30] <topyli> stuNNed: whee! thanks
[12:30] <lil_anthony> module not found
[12:30] <trey`> drop the b
[12:31] <lil_anthony> still not found
[12:31] <xf_> stuNNed: screenshot?
[12:32] <trey`> lil_anthony: bah... modprobe 3c90x
[12:32] <stuNNed> xf_, sure http://uclinux.info/lance/ubuntu/ubuntu_images/new_industrial.png
[12:32] <lil_anthony> not found
[12:33] <lil_anthony> i noticed it was never listed in /etc/modules
[12:33] <trey`> lil_anthony: http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/nic/linuxdownload.htm   download there driver... should work on Ubuntu also...
[12:33] <Treenaks> trey`: no! ubuntu has working drivers.. don't just download stuff
[12:33] <trey`> Treenaks: care to enlighten us about the module then?
[12:34] <trey`> Treenaks: cuz everything I see about 3c905b is not loadable  :/
[12:34] <lil_anthony> the 2.2.12 one right?
[12:34] <Treenaks> trey`: what does it say whan you load it?
[12:34] <trey`> lil_anthony: Treenaks seems to think he knows of the module... hold on
[12:34] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:34] <Mabus> I've got two Ubuntu computers, and I want them to share passwd (using PAM ?). Are there any good documents/howtos/tutorials I can read?
[12:35] <trey`> Treenaks: "not found"...
[12:35] <Treenaks> trey`: exact message please
[12:35] <topyli> stuNNed: yep, looks good. had to force package though :)
[12:35] <Mabus> I also want them to share home-directories, but I'm guessing that's a simple fstab mount.
[12:35] <topyli> stuNNed: the icons are really cool
[12:35] <trey`> Treenaks: ask lil_anthony... idk...
[12:35] <Mabus> (across NFS)
[12:35] <lil_anthony> you want the message from the probe?
[12:35] <trey`> lil_anthony: Treenaks does, yes
[12:36] <topyli> stuNNed: it's brighter than indubstrial but doesn't hurt anymore :)
[12:36] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: the exact one, yes
[12:36] <stuNNed> topyli, sorry about that, my first try
[12:36] <lil_anthony> modeprobe 3c905b = FATAL: Module 3c905b not found.
[12:36] <stuNNed> topyli, why force?
[12:36] <lil_anthony> same applies exactly with name different if i use 3c90x
[12:36] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: isn't there a utility for DOS or something to force the card in plug & play mode?
[12:37] <lil_anthony> for the isa there is
[12:37] <topyli> stuNNed: i had industrial installed. industrial-steel overwrites the icons, and dpkg doesn't like to do that
[12:37] <lil_anthony> the pci one i don't know
[12:37] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: try "3c509" or "3c59x"
[12:37] <lil_anthony> cause i never had a problem with it
[12:37] <nanotech> anyone know if it's possilbe to cluster heterogenous networks of comps? Between osx, and other unix based kernals?
[12:38] <stuNNed> topyli, yes, i had similar, had to force as well from a previous .tar.gz file extracted to /
[12:38] <lil_anthony> that appears too have taken
[12:38] <trey`> nanotech: I've only set up Beowolf and OpenMosix clusters  :(
[12:38] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: type 'dmesg | tail' now
[12:38] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:38] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: see if it claims to have found something
[12:38] <topyli> stuNNed: a fix would be to make industrial-steel "upgrade" industrial but i don't think it's worth the work
[12:38] <lil_anthony> at a > prompt
[12:39] <nanotech> anyone? i've been trying to research this, but i've been running into ealls
[12:39] <nanotech> walls
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: at the prompt you just used to modprobe
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: if it worked, add the module that worked to /etc/modules
[12:39] <lil_anthony> thats what i'm saying when i typed it it changed the path to >
[12:39] <Kamion> topyli: just add Replaces: industrial to industrial-steel.deb
[12:39] <Treenaks> oh
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: oh.. type Ctrl+C then
[12:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: and don't type the "'" around it :)
[12:40] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: so it should look like:  # dmesg | less
[12:40] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: (or $ dmesg | less)
[12:40] <lil_anthony> ok so type dmesg | less?
[12:40] <Treenaks> yes sir.
[12:40] <lil_anthony> ok with the now as well?
[12:41] <Treenaks> no wait
[12:41] <Treenaks> tail isntead of less
[12:41] <lil_anthony> aww ok
[12:41] <lil_anthony> i read your now as a command sorry
[12:41] <lil_anthony> ok
[12:41] <Treenaks> just type dmesg | tail<enter>
[12:41] <lil_anthony> i did ok i got it
[12:41] <satanOnTheBeach> ok, if i accidentally used a prerelease disk to install, after things update from the net, will it be the same? or flawed?
[12:41] <lil_anthony> what are you looking for cause i got a good bit of output
[12:42] <stuNNed> anyone know which file in the .deb sets preference of upgrade from another deb?
[12:42] <lil_anthony> eth1: 3c5x9 found at 0x220
[12:42] <satanOnTheBeach> know anything about a sony vaio pnp bios error? didn't seem to major
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: congratulations :)
[12:42] <lil_anthony> so modprobe io=0x220?
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: add the 3c5x9 to /etc/modules and it'll work (though it might not be eth1 on next boot.. so try rebooting first, then configure it)
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: no
[12:42] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: it works now
[12:42] <satanOnTheBeach> and Hey... if anyone needs help with a pxe install.. I got that down...
[12:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: just add a line saying "3c5x9" to the end of /etc/modules
[12:43] <lil_anthony> ok hang on
[12:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: then it'll work after you reboot as well..
[12:44] <lil_anthony> now reboot?
[12:44] <lil_anthony> or modprobe 3x5x9?
[12:45] <lil_anthony> or should i reboot?
[12:45] <trey`> lil_anthony: reboot...
[12:45] <bungle> is it easy to install ??
[12:45] <trey`> lil_anthony: 3x5x9 is not a module...
[12:45] <trey`> bungle: very....
[12:46] <trey`> bungle: Takes about 20 mins to have a fully functional system...
[12:46] <lil_anthony> hope this works i been up all night trying to figure it out
[12:46] <bungle> ibook
[12:46] <bungle> g3
[12:46] <lil_anthony> thanks :)
[12:47] <nimc> how can i reset the internet connection without rebooting (because my cable modem disconnects sometimes) ?
[12:47] <trey`> nimc: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:47] <nimc> cool... thanks
[12:48] <stuNNed> is there synaptic like frontend to creating .deb packages?
[12:48] <trey`> stuNNed: afaik, no  :(
[12:49] <lil_anthony> hanging on configure network interfaces so i know it didn't detect it
[12:49] <trey`> bungle: thats hardly the easy way out... Mandrake is a pita imo...
[12:49] <bungle> cause the previous owner of this ibook wrecked it trying to install all windows stuff & deleting system files n stuff
[12:49] <bungle> one last question
[12:50] <bungle> wtf is the button on the bottom of this machine for
[12:50] <lil_anthony> any other suggestions :(
[12:50] <trey`> lil_anthony: ctrl+c... probably wrong module...
[12:50] <lil_anthony> i think 3c5x is for the isa serious
[12:50] <lil_anthony> but i wasn't gonna say anything
[12:50] <trey`> bungle: hit it, see what happens  :)
[12:50] <stuNNed> trey`, do you know how to set an .deb as an upgrade to another .deb?
[12:50] <lil_anthony> cause i don't know
[12:50] <trey`> stuNNed: just set the version higher  ;)
[12:51] <lil_anthony> i'm back in gnome awaiting your command master :)
[12:51] <bungle> it has 3 little lights
[12:51] <trey`> bungle: does nothing when you hit it?
[12:51] <bungle> it's not the on button I found it
[12:51] <bungle> ... um it makes a tune
[12:52] <trey`> lil_anthony: search google for what lsmod says about your NIC...
[12:52] <trey`> append with a linux though, makes searching easier  :)
[12:52] <stuNNed> trey`, in the 'control' file or?
[12:52] <bungle> it's a white g3 ibook with a button on the bottom
[12:53] <trey`> stuNNed: yes... should be seen as a newer version just by the way you name the .deb though...
[12:53] <lil_anthony> this blows :( the damn thing worked before i rebooted
[12:53] <trey`> stuNNed: for instance... *ubuntu2 is an upgrade of *ubuntu1 to apt etc...
[12:53] <stuNNed> trey`, ah ok, i'm not sure if industrial-steel is variant of industrial or replacement
[12:54] <bungle> lmfao
[12:54] <Kamion> stuNNed: doesn't work like trey` described if the package name is different
[12:54] <bungle> i believe its the hdd
[12:54] <bungle> lol
[12:54] <Kamion> stuNNed: what exactly do you mean by "upgrade"? define terms carefully
[12:54] <bungle> it just fell out
[12:54] <bungle> no nol the battery
[12:54] <Kamion> stuNNed: what you described earlier on sounded like a straightforward "Replaces: industrial"
[12:54] <lil_anthony> would running the installation disk again fix it?
[12:55] <stuNNed> Kamion, if one wants to switch from old ximian industrial theme to newer ximian industrial-steel theme...
[12:55] <trey`> Kamion: he wants the system to replace industrial with industrial-steel...
[12:55] <stuNNed> Kamion, ah ok in 'control' file?
[12:55] <Kamion> stuNNed: you don't want to make the old industrial package unusable though
[12:55] <Kamion> stuNNed: why do you need to install files with the same name as industrial?
[12:56] <Kamion> stuNNed: why not just name all the files differently so you don't have any file conflicts at all?
[12:56] <Kamion> stuNNed: then you don't need any magic in debian/control at all and as a bonus everything probably works better
[12:57] <stuNNed> Kamion, i'm not sure if 'industrial-steel' is a replacement to old industrial, should i find that out first or?
[12:57] <bungle> when I put ubuntu in the cdrom .. how do I boot it up
[12:57] <bungle> like on a pc you would just boot off the cd
[12:57] <Kamion> stuNNed: yes, definitely
[12:57] <bungle> doe it do the same
[12:57] <Kamion> stuNNed: I don't think it should be
[12:57] <Kamion> bungle: yes
[12:57] <trey`> bungle: it should... although I have heard of it being more complicated...
[12:57] <Kamion> bungle: oh, sorry, mac
[12:58] <Kamion> bungle: hold down c at boot time.
[12:58] <bungle> ok
[12:58] <Kamion> bungle: see the Ubuntu website, I wrote directions on this and put them up there
[12:58] <stuNNed> Kamion, ok then :)
[12:58] <Kamion> look for the installation howto
[12:58] <bungle> Kamion can I burn cd's easily with it
[12:58] <bungle> or command line
[12:58] <Kamion> bungle: I don't know if the ibook g3 has a CD writer? works for me on my powerbook g4 though
[12:59] <bungle> hey how do I find out if this is a g3 or g4
[12:59] <bungle> they just said to me it was a g3 when they handed it over
[12:59] <Kamion> bungle: in Linux, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[12:59] <bungle>  no no
[12:59] <bungle> it still has os x 10.2.3 on it
[01:00] <Kamion> isn't there a system stats thing somewhere? I'm sure I saw it but I haven't run OS X in ages
[01:00] <trey`> bungle: the apple "about this mac" thingy should tell you?
[01:00] <bungle> ok i am looking
[01:00] <Kamion> anyway G3/G4 is just the processor, it's not necessarily relevant to whether or not you have a CD writer
[01:00] <bungle> how do I find out what the cdrom thing is
[01:01] <trey`> Says very basic info... like RAM and processor afaik...
[01:01] <bungle> yeah] 
[01:01] <bungle> lol I sound so stupid but I haven't used a mac since I was in grade 4
[01:01] <bungle> that was like 16yr ago
[01:01] <bungle> more even
[01:02] <trey`> bungle: its ok  :)   should have gotten more info from the previous owner though  ;)
[01:02] <bungle> lol it's previous owners didn't know anything about it
[01:02] <bungle> they got me & my b/f to fix them up a windows machine
[01:02] <bungle> my b/f swapped his fish tank for it
[01:03] <bungle> n gave it to me for my b'day
[01:03] <trey`> They suck @ life  :P   should have kept OS X, so much better then Windoze  :)
[01:04] <bungle> ppc g3'
[01:04] <bungle> 256 mem
[01:04] <bungle> 800mhz
[01:04] <trey`> bungle: cool  :)   still doesn't tell us if you have a burner though  :(
[01:04] <bungle> cdrw/dvdrom
[01:05] <trey`> ahh... yay... k... there is a special > burn cd I think... go get the ISO for PPC, and use that  :)
[01:05] <bungle> Iwoo I can watch dvds on it
[01:05] <bungle> how exciting
[01:05] <trey`> bungle: ;)
[01:06] <bungle> lmfao .. my kid stomped on the dvdplayer now it can't spin the dvd
[01:06] <bungle> so we are down to our ps2
[01:06] <trey`> bungle: thats not so bad... I used an Xbox as the household DVD for 18 months of college  :)
[01:06] <bungle> tah I will b back once i stuff up :P
[01:07] <bungle> lol our xbox died
[01:07] <bungle> we got given the ps2 as a swap for some ripped dvds
[01:07] <cardador> anyone can tell me an antivirus for linux? ive got a shared folder in a windows network, and some virus files keep getting in.
[01:07] <trey`> Xbox's don't skip as much on scratched DVD's  :)
[01:07] <bungle> although pirating is illegal
[01:07] <bungle> dont do it at home :P
[01:07] <trey`> cardador: apt-cache search anti virus...
[01:08] <trey`> clamav is the most popular I think...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> cardador: clam-av , ntivir...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> *antivir
[01:08] <cardador> thoreauputic: which one is the best?
[01:08] <trey`> cardador: most like clamav or amavis...
[01:08] <thoreauputic> cardador: I have no idea - I only run linux so I don't need them
[01:09] <trey`> clamav being the most popular like I said...
[01:09] <thoreauputic> trey`: yes sorry amavis
[01:09] <cardador> trey` and thoreauputic: thanks
[01:09] <bungle> night night
[01:09] <trey`> bungle: night  :)
[01:13] <Gaaruto> what's the difference between "universe" and "multiverse" please ?
[01:13] <mjr> multiverse is non-free stuff
[01:14] <Gaaruto> can i add "universe" and "multiverse" in the sources.list without problem ?
[01:14] <Treenaks> Gaaruto: universe packages are all "free", multiverse packages are not free (there may be specific terms for redistribution, for example)
[01:14] <Treenaks> Gaaruto: yes, you can
[01:15] <Gaaruto> ok
[01:15] <Gaaruto> thals
[01:15] <Gaaruto> thanks
[01:15] <lulu> Gaaruto: check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/ for more info...
[01:15] <Gaaruto> ok i read this
[01:21] <lil_anthony> you know i don't think its either one of the cards really giving the problem ithink my dhcpclient is jacked. cause i just tried the otehr card and it does the same thing
[01:21] <zbrox> can anybody here tell me where to get the ubuntu specific gettext .po files, and how to be added to the translators list? cause there's no answer from the translators maillist
[01:21] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: did you reboot after adding the module name to /etc/modules ?
[01:22] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: then maybe eth0 and eth1 got reversed
[01:22] <lil_anthony> possible
[01:22] <lil_anthony> all i see is eth0
[01:22] <lil_anthony> when i look in networking
[01:22] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: try 'ifconfig -a'
[01:23] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: on the command line
[01:23] <lil_anthony> ok
[01:23] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: it should show you more
[01:23] <stuNNed> Kamion, so rename the files with something like sed?
[01:23] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: if it has 'eth1', try adding a connection for eth1 in the network tool
[01:23] <lil_anthony> yep its only shoing eth0
[01:23] <lil_anthony> and the one i assigned is eth1
[01:23] <lil_anthony> but the ifconfig-a shows both
[01:24] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: ok.. but you can say 'Add new connection' in the network tool
[01:24] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: and then select eth1 -- I'm sure of that
[01:24] <lil_anthony> ok let me try
[01:26] <lil_anthony> network settings gui is froze so i guess its trying
[01:26] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: uh.. it froze?
[01:26] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: what did you click?
[01:27] <lil_anthony> i clicked add
[01:27] <lil_anthony> then i put in the ip like you stated earlier
[01:27] <lil_anthony> and hit ok
[01:27] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you didn't select 'eth1' ?
[01:27] <lil_anthony> thats not an option
[01:27] <lil_anthony> but it made eth1
[01:27] <Treenaks> ?
[01:27] <Treenaks> ah ok
[01:27] <lil_anthony> i see 2 listing now
[01:27] <Treenaks> ok
[01:27] <lil_anthony> eth0 and eth1
[01:28] <lil_anthony> i can't activate either
[01:28] <Treenaks> now you can edit each one separately..
[01:28] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: well, your cable might be broken.. or your DHCP server is down.. or you didn't enter a valid IP
[01:28] <lil_anthony> negitive to all three
[01:28] <lil_anthony> cause i just tested it
[01:28] <Treenaks> (hm, Ubuntu needs a Gnome log file reader..)
[01:28] <lil_anthony> it works fine
[01:28] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: ok.. that's good then
[01:29] <lil_anthony> windows loves me
[01:29] <lil_anthony> linux hates me
[01:29] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: software neither loves nor hates
[01:29] <lil_anthony> fair enought it pisses me off
[01:29] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you just have to treat it differently :)
[01:29] <lil_anthony> hows that :)
[01:30] <lil_anthony> i think it all screwed up with kudzu
[01:30] <lil_anthony> i think it screwed the driver or something
[01:30] <lil_anthony> or the dhcpclient or something
[01:30] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: kudzu is Red hat
[01:30] <lil_anthony> understood
[01:30] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you don't need it in ubuntu
[01:30] <lil_anthony> ok i undrestand now
[01:30] <lil_anthony> but i did install it
[01:30] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: so yes, it might have broken stuff..
[01:30] <lil_anthony> and ran it
[01:31] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: didn't it warn you?
[01:31] <lil_anthony> nope
[01:31] <lil_anthony> its even in the synaptic
[01:31] <lil_anthony> so maybe i need the driver?
[01:31] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: maybe it works better for some people, but those people generally know it
[01:32] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: You just loaded the driver
[01:32] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: (module)
[01:32] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: using modprobe
[01:32] <lil_anthony> thought you said it might not be the right one
[01:32] <lil_anthony> it just doesn't activate for some reason
[01:33] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: did you remove kudzu again?
[01:33] <lil_anthony> yeah i did a apt-get remove kudzu
[01:33] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: ok
[01:33] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: did you reboot after that?
[01:34] <lil_anthony> of course
[01:34] <lil_anthony> i have rebooted about 20 times now
[01:34] <lil_anthony> i thnk i'm using windows :)
[01:34] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: if ifconfig -a shows it, it works fine
[01:34] <lil_anthony> then its the dhcpclient thats jacked
[01:34] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: no. don't assume things if you don't know anything about it.
[01:35] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: type 'dmesg' again
[01:35] <stuNNed> how do i access mit's pgp server via commandline, i.e: to access pgp.com's one just ldap://certserver.pgp.com
[01:35] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: does it say "NETDEV WATCHDOG" stuff?
[01:35] <lil_anthony> let me look
[01:36] <lil_anthony> don't see the watchdogs at all
[01:37] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: then your network cards work fine
[01:37] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: you should be able to configure if they use DHCP, etc. in the network configuration panel
[01:38] <lil_anthony> aww
[01:38] <lil_anthony> that module you gave me
[01:38] <lil_anthony> 3c5x9
[01:38] <lil_anthony> according to that output it shoudl be 3c59x
[01:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: which output?
[01:39] <lil_anthony> the output we just did the dmesg one
[01:39] <lil_anthony> one is 3c5x9 for eith1
[01:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: can you please copy entire messages
[01:39] <lil_anthony> not really
[01:39] <lil_anthony> i can type it :(
[01:39] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: type it here then
[01:40] <lil_anthony> its long but hwere is what i'm refering to
[01:40] <lil_anthony> PCI: Sharing IRQ 9 with 0000:00:07.2
[01:41] <lil_anthony> 3x59x: Donald Becker and others.  www.scyd.com/network/vortex.html 0000:00:10.0:  3com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100BaseTX at 0x1400. Vers LK1.1.19
[01:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: well, that driver gets loaded.. but that's not the ISA 0x220 card
[01:43] <labanux> could someone help me about what should I install so I can run PHP on Ubuntu?
[01:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: enable the 'universe' repository
[01:43] <labanux> i've install thttpd and apache
[01:43] <lil_anthony> its enabled but how am i gonna download if i have no connection?
[01:43] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: thttpd is not necessary.. just install libapache2-mod-php4 or something
[01:44] <labanux> i've install thttpd and apache, but i still can't run a PHP script in mys Ubunt...............
[01:44] <flevour> hi all
[01:45] <labanux> what should we install actually? thttpd or apache?
[01:45] <labanux> and what's the differenet?
[01:45] <flevour> does anybody know how to automatically set a translucency value for all windows that get opened in xorg?
[01:47] <ermo> labanux, the feature set?
[01:47] <ermo> labanux, thttpd is a simple daemon. Apache is modular and can thus be whatever you want it to be?
[01:48] <ermo> labanux, thttpd might server static content faster than apache, though.
[01:48] <Treenaks> lil_anthony: install the 'libapache2-mod-php4' package, and apache2, and remoev thttpd and apache
[01:48] <mjr> ...not that it matters much how fast static content is serverd, as it's bound to be good enough in most cases anyway
[01:48] <ermo> mjr, so true.
[01:50] <Kano> hi
[01:51] <Kano> is xcompmgr and transset in ubuntu?
[01:51] <Tsjoklat> hoary has it doesn't it
[01:51] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you need some of daniels' magic
[01:52] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: daniel's magic?
[01:52] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: daniels's magic
[01:52] <trey`> Kano: no, neither are in Hoary yet  :(
[01:52] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks: daniel's magic....
[01:53] <Tsjoklat> trey: hey
[01:53] <Kano> trey`: i am just testing a fresh compiled x.org on standard debian sid
[01:53] <trey`> Tsjoklat: sup  8)
[01:53] <Kano> from ubuntu sources
[01:53] <Kano> and want to try the special tools for it
[01:53] <Tsjoklat> trey: trying to figure out what daniel's magic is... I hope it is some sort of stiff drink
[01:54] <trey`> Kano: fun... add this to xorg.conf:
[01:54] <trey`> Section "Extensions"
[01:54] <trey`> Option "Composite" "Enabled"
[01:54] <trey`> EndSection
[01:54] <Despair> I'm getting `ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619` at the end of `make bzImage` on various kernels. It seems to make a bzImage anyways, but they wont boot. Anyone hit anything similar on ubuntu amd64?
[01:54] <Kano> trey`: i know that extension,but i need the tools...
[01:54] <wood1> Can anyone help me get my Internal Winmodem to work in Ubuntu ?
[01:55] <Tsjoklat> isn't there a special wiki page for that? that winmodem?
[01:55] <Kano> wood1: if it is intel you need sl-modem drivers
[01:55] <trey`> wood1: http://www.linmodems.org/
[01:55] <wood1> Well It is a HSF Chipset WinModem
[01:57] <Kano> wood1: www.linuxant.com
[01:57] <stuNNed> wood1, you might need to compile piix into the kernel not as a module, linuxant recommended, haven't tried yet
[01:58] <wood1> No not yet, stuNNed
[01:58] <wood1> I am just going to the www.linmodems.org page
[02:06] <labanux> ermo: i'm sorry i still can't understand..........
[02:07] <labanux> ermo: so i should choose one of them, apache or thttpd
[02:07] <labanux> ermo: but i don't need to install both..??
[02:07] <labanux> ermo: and what's the different?
[02:07] <ermo> labanux, yes. And choose apache. unless you only need to run static html pages or cgi-programs.
[02:08] <mjr> also, I'd say that if you don't know better, install apache.
[02:08] <ermo> labanux, take a look at http://httpd.apache.org/
[02:09] <ermo> labanux, it'll tell you what you need to know.
[02:10] <ermo> labanux, then, check http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
[02:10] <labanux> ermo: ok whait a minute .., i'll read it first..
[02:11] <ermo> labanux, btw, why didn't you google for apache and/or thttpd yourself before asking?
[02:12] <labanux> ermo: cause, before this i've use Fedora 2, and there's httpd on Fedora, and it can run PHP
[02:12] <ermo> labanux, I see...
[02:12] <labanux> ermo: but when i'm looking for httpd on packages.debian.org i can't find it
[02:13] <ermo> labanux, oh. That's probably because httpd _is_ apache. But that isn't too obvious.
[02:13] <fissy> hi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)
[02:13] <ermo> labanux, so, you were unsure whether 'httpd' mean 'thttpd' or apache? Ok. Well, it is apache.
[02:14] <ermo> s/mean/meant
[02:14] <ermo> labanux, hope that clears it up.
[02:15] <mario> maybe somebody have Flumotion packages?
[02:16] <carlos> mario: jdub was working on it
[02:17] <revlob> Excuse me, is there a list anywhere of lines I should put in my sources.list?
[02:17] <mario> carlos, thanks, then I will wait :)
[02:17] <labanux> ermo : that's make me a little confused
[02:17] <mojo_> I saw a error msg when installing gnome-applet-data, something about 'cant find the scheme '<special character>' .."
[02:19] <labanux> ermo: i've apt-get install apache, but then i do apt-get install apache
[02:19] <labanux> ermo: but when i put my web file on /var/www (and it uses PHP).., they can't run
[02:20] <labanux> meanwhile i've run thttpd and mysql
[02:20] <ermo> labanux, you need to install the php4 module
[02:20] <labanux> ermo: so from your explanation , is it mean that if we install thttpd it means we install apache to?
[02:20] <revlob> I'm try to upgrade from a pre-release version of Ubuntu to whatever is freshest, and I'm not sure how to do it
[02:21] <ermo> labanux, no, I wouldn't think so
[02:21] <labanux> ermo: so we just need to install one of them?
[02:22] <ermo> labanux, yes. Apache. And the proper php4 modules.
[02:22] <ermo> labanux, I would suspect that there are plenty of tutorials and howto's on how to set it up. Have you tried php.net, for instance?
[02:23] <ermo> labanux, or httpd.apache.org ?
[02:23] <labanux> ermo: mm.., I haven't yet actually
[02:24] <labanux> ermo: cause when I use Fedora it wasn't a problem, everything is has been set up..  :)
[02:25] <ermo> labanux, I see...
[02:26] <ermo> labanux, may i /query?
[02:27] <georgia> anyone cre to hazard a guess as to why i cant get an hfsplus partition to mount read write? osx sees it as ok, and i've run fsck under that several times, but i cant get any linux tool to check the partition
[02:29] <labanux> ermo; query? yeah...
[02:29] <mojo_> excuse me
[02:29] <georgia> runing mount with the toptions "-o remount,rw" makes no difference, it's still read only
[02:29] <mojo_> I need some help on installing Java
[02:30] <mojo_> are there any built Debian package for j2sdk 1.5?/
[02:30] <Kamion> georgia: you are mounting -t hfsplus, aren't you? trying to autodetect will probably give you hfs
[02:30] <labanux> mojo_: you can use apt-get install freejava-sdk
[02:30] <Treenaks> mojo_: yes
[02:30] <Treenaks> mojo_: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[02:31] <georgia> Kamion: yep
[02:31] <mojo_> Treenaks: is it offcial build from Debian?
[02:31] <labanux> mojo_: sorry , I mean apt-get install free-java-sdk
[02:32] <Treenaks> mojo_: no, not official.
[02:32] <labanux> mojo_ : it works on my Ubuntu
[02:32] <Treenaks> mos|ghost: but it works fine
[02:32] <mos|ghost> ?
[02:32] <Treenaks> but he's gone already
[02:32] <Treenaks> sorry, I meant mojo
[02:32] <mos|ghost> ah
[02:32] <georgia> i've been trying everythign i can think of for several hours now, nothing i do will amke it read write
[02:34] <georgia> the error that shows up in the logs is "HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended.  leaving read-only."
[02:43] <knewt> not that i'm any rush or anything, just curious, but is there an idea of at what point hoary will be stable enough to upgrade to? 1 month before release, less, more?
[02:43] <Despair> "PANIC: Early Exception rip 10 error ffffffff80114072 cr2 0"
[02:43] <Kamion> depends on your level of confidence/competence
[02:46] <knewt> started using warty at the very end of september, and didn't have any noticeable issues, so i guess 1/1.5 months before release would be reasonable
[02:50] <Tsjoklat> sit still mojo_
[02:59] <Tsjoklat> georgia.. did you try the wiki pages? the forum?
[03:00] <georgia> Tsjoklat: not tried the forum or the wiki, but a week and a half worth of various google searches hasnt shown up anything useful
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> I would give the wike a go georgia... and if you really can't find an answer... post something on the forum... there is bout to be somebody that can help
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> you may be asking your question in here at the wrong time (time zones and what not)
[03:01] <Tsjoklat> and the person that might be able to help you is not here
[03:03] <Kamion> the mailing lists would be a better bet than the forums; more developers read the lists
[03:05] <bagpuss> thanks for the (very nice) CDs :)
[03:08] <Tsjoklat> hey mercurus
[03:15] <mojo_> Tjsoklat: hi man
[03:16] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you're a man now? :P
[03:17] <zenwhen> hello ubuntites
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ always insist on calling me man Treenaks
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> even though he knows I am not one of those
[03:17] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen
[03:18] <zenwhen> Everybody ok this morning?
[03:18] <kensai> evrything A O K
[03:18] <Gaaruto> morning ?
[03:19] <Gaaruto> pm :)
[03:19] <kensai> is 10 30 am here
[03:19] <Gaaruto> 3 pm :)
[03:19] <zenwhen> well its always morning somwhere, sweetcheeks.
[03:19] <Tsjoklat> 06.00 here
[03:19] <ermo> 25.61 here
[03:19] <Gaaruto> where do you come from ?
[03:19] <Gaaruto> lol ermo
[03:19] <zenwhen> Kentucky, USA
[03:20] <Gaaruto> Paris, France
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> I hope you find help georgia
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> and sorry for not being able to help
[03:20] <Tsjoklat> btw.. zenwhen do you know anything about partitions?
[03:21] <kensai> ;)
[03:21] <Gaaruto> :)
[03:21] <zenwhen> Yeah, what was the issue?
[03:21] <Tsjoklat> kensai you mean.. you tell you are from PR and then hide
[03:21] <kensai> LOL
[03:22] <kensai> Puerto Rico is gentoo territory
[03:22] <ermo> I'm from ... slightly off the beaten path and then left.
[03:22] <kensai> but I have Ubuntu now
[03:22] <Tsjoklat> georgia is having problems with her hfs partition
[03:22] <kensai> ermo, I've visited there
[03:23] <fissy> hi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)
[03:23] <zenwhen> HFS? I know about partitions, but I havent touched a Mac since high school.
[03:23] <Tsjoklat> which was only two weeks ago zenwhen :P
[03:23] <zenwhen> :P try two years
[03:24] <Tsjoklat> well whatever!
[03:24] <zenwhen> ;-;
[03:25] <Ng> fissy: does it work if you run "sftp other.ubuntu.machine" in a terminal?
[03:25] <TeRanEX> is it possible to use the Windows Bootmanager when i instal ubuntu on a computer with already Win XP?
[03:25] <zenwhen> TeRanEX, yes
[03:25] <wood1> How do I improve the speed of my PC, my system is very slow
[03:25] <zenwhen> Its a bit complicated however.
[03:25] <TeRanEX> and how can i do it?
[03:26] <TeRanEX> do i have to install ubuntu with grub in /boot and then add a line in boot.ini of windows?
[03:26] <zenwhen> It would involve installing grub, using a tool to copy your MBR, and reinstalling windows bootloader and having it load that MBR image.
[03:26] <georgia> um, should i be replying to the mail from maksim(at)ksenjak.com? i sent a message to the list then got a message saying my message requires verification, but that address doesnt resemble the mailing list address
[03:26] <TeRanEX> :-o
[03:26] <ermo> wood1, you'll need to elaborate a bit. What hardware do you have?
[03:27] <TeRanEX> so it is easier to install grub to my MBR?
[03:27] <wood1> Well my PC has a Pentium II 350 MHz processor with 192 MB of Memory
[03:27] <kensai> wood1, using xfce should speed it a lot
[03:27] <zenwhen> easier, yes
[03:27] <TeRanEX> thx :)
[03:27] <TeRanEX> oh another little question: i once installed ubuntu 4.10 pre (before 19 octobre)
[03:27] <Pitr> Ubuntu's livecd doesn't boot on my SATA RAID machine. Does it access the disk, and therefor crash shortly after grub ?
[03:28] <TeRanEX> in the partition manager i could set partitions to be 'active'
[03:28] <TeRanEX> what does that mean?
[03:28] <wood1> Well what I really don't understand is that Windows XP which is also installed on my System is much much faster than Ubuntu
[03:28] <kensai> XP pretends to be faster
[03:28] <ermo> wood1, ahem. You perceive XP to be faster. Well. What graphics adapter do you have?
[03:29] <zenwhen> wood1, oif your Processor is over 1Ghz, XP is not faster then Ubuntu.
[03:29] <ermo> wood1, we might be able to tweak your settings a bit.
[03:29] <ermo> wood1, don't expect miracles though. Your system more than 5 years old.
[03:29] <wood1> Well It is Nvidia TNT 2 with 32 MB of memory
[03:29] <ermo> *is more
[03:29] <zenwhen> Linux's superior memory management makes that nearly impossible unless you have mde a configuration error.
[03:30] <kensai> wood1, you have the nvidia drivers installed?
[03:30] <tiago> hi there, to disable load of a script in init.d I just change the permission?
[03:31] <tiago> like chmod -x apache2 for instance?
[03:31] <Ng> tiago: that would work, but it's not how it is normally done
[03:31] <wood1> Well I don't have the idea about the Nvidia drivers
[03:31] <TeRanEX> does anybody know what's the use of setting a partition to be 'active' in the installer?
[03:31] <tiago> Ng, so how can do?
[03:32] <ermo> wood1, do you have another graphics adapter handy, say, a radeon 7xxx or <9250 ?
[03:32] <pdamoc> hello
[03:32] <Ng> tiago: I'm not at my ubuntu machine right now so I can't check to see if there's something in the System Settings menu (I think there might be a Services tool in there). Failing that, you can use rcconf in a terminal to select which things you want
[03:32] <ermo> kensai, will the nvidia binary drivers work well with tnt2s ?
[03:33] <kensai> ermo, they should
[03:33] <pdamoc> I have a python script that is supposed to start using python... however is I start the script from Nautilus... nothing happens
[03:33] <tiago> Ng, np thx
[03:33] <ermo> wood1, basically your video is probably not accelerated (very much, if any)
[03:33] <ermo> wood1, that would account for the 'slowness'
[03:33] <pdamoc> if I open a terminal and type "python myscript.py" it works as espected
[03:33] <pdamoc> what gives?
[03:33] <tiago> Anybody knows if we have a tool for select the scripts on startup?
[03:33] <Ng> tiago: what gets started/stopped is controlled by the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[03:33] <wood1> Well how do I enable the Nvidia graphics drivers for faster speed ?
[03:34] <mojo_> I need some help here
[03:34] <Tsjoklat> mojo_ ppl were helping you man and you buggered off before reading it
[03:34] <mojo_> anyone know how to make Cedega on Ubuntu over this same prob as http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=162
[03:34] <Pitr> Any way I can contribute to ubuntu by filing a bugreport for ubuntu on my system? :) only failsafe seems to boot
[03:35] <wood1> Well forgive me for saying this, but Windows 9x/NT/2000 runs faster than Ubuntu Linux on "Older PCs)
[03:35] <Treenaks> wood1: no, it seems to run faster, slight difference :)
[03:35] <Ng> Pitr: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:35] <Pitr> Ng, are there tools to figure out what went wrong ?
[03:35] <kensai> yep tnt2 is supported by the linux nvidia driver
[03:36] <Ng> Pitr: ah, probably not to any degree of accuracy. if you know a bit of linux and can poke around it would be useful I imagine
[03:36] <kensai> wood1, install nvidia drivers that should do it
[03:36] <kensai> bonobo a little help with nvidia drivers?
[03:36] <kensai> LOL
[03:36] <Ng> wood1: the gnome desktop is a bit chunky for a system like yours :/
[03:36] <Pitr> Ng, yeah, but my ubuntu knowledge is very limited. Apart from "It freezes at the brown/orange/yellow ubuntu screen with a grey bar below", my bugreport doesn't contain much more ;)
[03:37] <kensai> wood1, xfce will do miracles to your system
[03:37] <ermo> wood1, that's perfectly ok to say, but it's not entirely correct. The gui of windows xp employs some tricks that speed drawing substantially. The X Window System is built differently. It can be made to work almost as smoothly, afaik.
[03:37] <Pitr> Ng, could SATA be the problem ?
[03:37] <Ng> ermo: you're never going to get gnome 2.x to run well on a 350mhz P2 with 192mb of ram
[03:37] <kensai> wood1, thats why I say windows pretends to be fsater
[03:37] <ermo> Ng, true.
[03:37] <kensai> faster*
[03:37] <Ng> ermo: to claim that he's wrong because windows is cheating is also highly irrelevant imo ;)
[03:38] <Pitr> Ng, or the 64bittyness of the processor ?
[03:38] <Ng> Pitr: it sounds like it's crashing as X/gdm starts, I doubt that'd be SAATA. Does it display a load of booting text first?
[03:38] <Ng> -A
[03:38] <ermo> Ng, I'm saying that his statement applies to his windowing experience. It's not true when we look at different parts of the system.
[03:39] <ermo> Ng, but the gui is what he sees. And *that* is slower. But it can probably become better than it is now.,
[03:39] <Pitr> Nh, eh, no, before that. about 4-5 seconds after grub decides to load the default image :)
[03:39] <Ng> Pitr: oh. so you don't see the kernel/system boot at all really? that could be sata ;)
[03:40] <Ng> Pitr: does it print any kind of error?
[03:40] <Pitr> but why? it's a diskless livecd .. :)
[03:40] <Pitr> nope, just freezes
[03:40] <Treenaks> Pitr: can you try booting the rescue image?
[03:40] <Pitr> failsafe does work, dmesg contains the SATA info
[03:40] <ermo> wood1, chances are your system (when using gnome) will never feel as responsive as when you run windows xp.
[03:40] <Pitr> treeenaks, failsafe eq rescue?
[03:40] <Ng> Pitr: ok, well if it's a livecd then that makes SATA unlikely again. more information ;)
[03:40] <Ng> I'm not sure what enabling failsafe on the CD does, so I'll be quiet ;)
[03:40] <Treenaks> Pitr: is it a live CD or an installer CD or an installed system you're trying to boot for the first time?
[03:40] <DaRk^LorD> GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[03:41] <Pitr> failsafe does a lot of 'no<this>' and 'no<that>'
[03:41] <DaRk^LorD> why~
[03:41] <Pitr> Treenaks: livecd on an installed system
[03:41] <Pitr> (it has a SATA RAID)
[03:41] <ermo> wood1, it can be improved from what it is now by a) enabling the nvidia drivers (i haven't used them myself, so I can't help you there) and b) experimenting with kernel settings.
[03:41] <Coy> hey, anyone have idea what's pnp bios error means?
[03:41] <jimmings> please, need help: i have logitech webcam pro 4000, with micro built in, i get video but I can't get sound
[03:42] <Coy> non-standard bios?
[03:42] <kensai> wood1, give the a option a go first and tell us what happens
[03:43] <gpart> hi
[03:44] <wood1> Ok thanks alot to all for the advice
[03:45] <Darklin> Greetings. I have a quesiton about the LiveCD version of Ubuntu. What is the preset password to switch to Root?
[03:45] <gpart> for me the installation works quite well, but during the first boot after the installation, it hangs on "/sbin/init : 426 cannot open dev/console : No such file - Kernel panic : attempted to kill init !" Anybody solved this?
[03:45] <Treenaks> Darklin: your own password.
[03:46] <Simira> Darklin: same as your first user, I'd think
[03:46] <Treenaks> Darklin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:46] <jimmings> someone could help me
[03:46] <Kamion> sudo and use your own password, or can't you just type 'su'?
[03:46] <gpart> (i tried to install is on an external usb hardisk)
[03:46] <Darklin> Ok. That got it. Thank you, Kamion
[03:47] <Kamion> gpart: that indicates that the initrd can't find your root filesystem, which probably means that it just doesn't understand how to deal with USB disks
[03:47] <Kamion> gpart: feel free to file the details in a bug report against initrd-tools
[03:47] <gpart> Kamion: hmm.. but the installation itself went quite well
[03:47] <Kamion> gpart: yeah, but initrd-tools is a law unto itself independent of the installation
[03:48] <gpart> so this issue is kind of already 'known'
[03:48] <DaRk^LorD> GDM: Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 > can someone tell me how to solve this problem?
[03:48] <gpart> it's currently not possible to get it run from a usb-device?
[03:49] <fabbione> DaRk^LorD: hoary or warty?
[03:49] <DaRk^LorD> warty
[03:49] <fabbione> apt-get install xserver-xfree86
[03:50] <Coy> not anyone who knows about pnp bios error?
[03:50] <fabbione> or
[03:50] <fabbione> apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86
[03:50] <DaRk^LorD> hmm i will try
[03:50] <Seveas> Coy, you mean 'PnPbios: Unable to get node info. Aborting.
[03:50] <DaRk^LorD> thx
[03:50] <Seveas> ?
[03:51] <Coy> Seveas, yes...ubuntu boot still but I only wonder what that error is?
[03:51] <Seveas> Harmless error, it is merely a diagnostic message
[03:51] <Coy> damn I have bad English
[03:51] <Coy> :)
[03:52] <Treenaks> Coy: not as bad as some ;)
[03:52] <Seveas> I have that exact same error on boot :)
[03:52] <Coy> Thanks! Seveas is there anyway to get that the kernel won't prompt about?
[03:52] <Seveas> don't know, never cared about it :o)
[03:52] <Simira> Amaya here?
[03:53] <mjg59> Coy: It means that your BIOS claims to have pnpbios support, but doesn't actually seem to
[03:53] <DaRk^LorD> fabbione , in the instalation, i wasnt asked for giving a root password, how do i know what that pass is?
[03:53] <Coy> I think something like PnPbios=no
[03:54] <Coy> mjg59,ok =) This is ami bios with newest update...asus motherboard from HP...oem I think
[03:54] <DracosX> DaRk^LorD: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[03:54] <DaRk^LorD> thx DracosX
[03:54] <DracosX> no problem :P
[03:55] <wood1> Well you see, there are about about 3 dozen PCs in our Office which have processors in the range of 133 MHz to 450 MHz. Then it is almost impossible to run Ubuntu on them
[03:56] <ermo> wood1, well, that depends somewhat.
[03:56] <ermo> wood1, if you expect them to be full-fledged clients, then, regrettably, probably yes
[03:56] <ermo> wood1, if, however, you were to buy one modern machine you could use linux terminal server project.
[03:57] <ermo> wood1, using the slowest pcs as thin clients
[03:57] <ermo> wood1, the 450 MHz one could probably be made to run ok (i'm on a p3@550 w/256 MB RAM)
[03:58] <ermo> wood1, sure, it won't be a screamer by any means. But it's doable.
[03:59] <Coy> what is the best distribution? :)
[03:59] <wood1> Well we use the Terminal Services of Windows 2000 Server. Well there are very high end PCs in our Office but what I wanted was to run Linux on the slower PCs of my department
[03:59] <gen> coy: that goes in ubuntu-offtopic
[04:00] <Coy> gen, i was just joking =)
[04:00] <gen> you'd find a nice bias'd view anyhow coy :)
[04:00] <Coy> :)
[04:00] <wood1> And after installing Ubuntu on 3 of my Pentium II machines, I was a little disappointed by the speed.
[04:01] <ermo> wood1, I can well understand that.
[04:01] <Ng> wood1: Ubuntu simply isn't targetted at machines that old
[04:01] <Ng> wood1: use a more basic distro, frankly.
[04:01] <gen> dont run gnome on them wood1
[04:01] <Coy> try fluxbox...(or something similar)
[04:01] <kensai> wood1, please apt-get install xfce
[04:01] <wood1> Well is there any way to stop any unwanted services which I can remove safely from Ubuntu Linux so that it frees up memory ?
[04:01] <gen> blackbox, etc
[04:02] <gen> xfce is also nice
[04:02] <kensai> services won't do anything
[04:02] <kensai> just install xfce
[04:02] <kensai> and use it as main window manager
[04:02] <wood1> Ok I wll install xfce now
[04:03] <ermo> wood1, I assume you want a 'familiar' environment, where things 'just work'?
[04:03] <wood1> By the way, if I use xfce, will opening a OpenOffice document be faster ?
[04:04] <gen> wood1, no
[04:04] <kensai> wood1, way faster
[04:04] <gen> how
[04:04] <kensai> I open everything on xfce faster
[04:04] <gen> what hardware?
[04:04] <kensai> it uses less memory than gnome
[04:04] <gen> yea, quite a bit
[04:04] <Coy> i've never tryied xfce
[04:04] <kensai> athlon xp 2000+ LOL
[04:05] <gen> wow
[04:05] <gen> gnome shouldnt be a problem either, kensai
[04:05] <gen> heh
[04:05] <Coy> I have athlon xp 2600+
[04:05] <gen> im running a 1600+ on here
[04:05] <Coy> well I love gnome
[04:05] <kensai> good
[04:05] <Coy> :d
[04:06] <Ng> I like that
[04:06] <Ng> a "no" and a "way faster" on consecutive lines ;)
[04:06] <gen> :)
[04:06] <wood1> Well I am also thinking of getting a New PC with a 2.2 GHz Celeron processor. Will the Celeron processor slow things down
[04:06] <Ng> you guys are talking such smack ;)
[04:06] <Ng> you can't answer a question like that :)
[04:06] <DaRk^LorD> when i write "apt-get install xserver-xfree86" , it appears "The following packages have unmet dependencies (...) Unmed dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install'
[04:06] <ermo> wood1, compared to a 450 MHz pII? Of course not.
[04:06] <Ng> wood1: a 2.2ghz celeron would be fine
[04:06] <Ng> easily fine
[04:07] <gen> celerons are a joke :)
[04:07] <Coy> it comes year now since I last use windows..
[04:07] <mercurus> DaRk^LorD, run sudo apt-get -f install
[04:07] <kensai> yeah
[04:07] <Ng> gen: err, no
[04:07] <Coy> never ever again
[04:07] <DaRk^LorD> trying
[04:07] <gen> Ng, arg ahoy
[04:07] <wood1> How much difference is the speed between a Pentium 2.4 GHz and a Celeron 2.4 GHz processor ?
[04:07] <Coy> :)
[04:07] <Ng> gen: also no :)
[04:07] <mercurus> wood1, it isn't speed so much as cache
[04:07] <Ng> wood1: that depends what kind of applications you run
[04:07] <Ng> wood1: the main difference is the P4 has more L2 cache, which will affect things like paint programs, 3D programs more than it will OpenOffice
[04:07] <ermo> wood1, anything 700+MHz with 256+ mb and videocards with 16+mb of onboard ram will run fine, I'd think
[04:07] <Ng> because OO is so huge it easily blats a cache of any size
[04:08] <DaRk^LorD> it appears: Error processing /emacs21-common(...) corrupted filesystem tarfile - corrupted package archive: Sucess
[04:08] <wood1> Well I have to run Web base applications and OpenOffice projects and use Email applications
[04:09] <Coy> when next ubuntu will be released?
[04:09] <gen> should be april, coy
[04:10] <Coy> ok
[04:10] <Coy> thanks
[04:10] <wood1> Is the difference between a Celeron and a Pentium only in the Cache Memory of the Processor ?
[04:11] <ermo> wood1, more likely than not, yes. But the marketing difference is an entirely different matter.
[04:12] <ermo> wood1, also the celerons FSB < p4 FSB in most cases
[04:12] <Coy> still about that Pnp error...why other distros won't prompt about it? Like Fedora or Mandrake...
[04:12] <ermo> wood1, but for office workloads, that's not an issue anyway.
[04:12] <Coy> configuration is different?
[04:12] <gen> coy, prompt you about what
[04:13] <Coy> gen, that PnPbios error during startup
[04:13] <ermo> wood1, you've established that a p2 350 w/192 mb ram doesn't live up to your expectations. Which is understandable given the hardware ubuntu targets.
[04:16] <mojo_> sif siff
[04:16] <mojo_> can someone help me out on Cedega?
[04:16] <mojo_> I still get error = 21 issue with Ubuntu Hoary
[04:16] <mojo_> last time I didnt get such thing
[04:17] <Ng> hmm
[04:17] <Ng> that's weird, ubuntu doesn't have prelinking or exec shield, so cedega should work
[04:17] <mojo_> I know
[04:17] <mojo_> I look through the /usr/lib
[04:18] <mojo_> I found lots of broken links lib
[04:18] <mojo_> I fixed all of them
[04:18] <Ng> are you on an amd64 machine by any chance?
[04:18] <mojo_> no
[04:18] <Ng> doh ;)
[04:18] <gen> Ng, dough
[04:18] <mojo_> sigh...........
[04:18] <mojo_> lastime I run well on Warty
[04:19] <Ng> I installed cedega last night in a hoary 32bit chroot on my amd64 hoary machine and it played counterstrike for many many hours ;)
[04:19] <gen> counterstrike lol
[04:19] <gen> WALL HAXOR WTF YOU CHEAT
[04:19] <Ng> second best game ever!
[04:19] <Ng> haha
[04:19] <Ng> apart from that ;)
[04:19] <mojo_> something wrong with my Ubuntu system
[04:19] <labanux> mojo_, explain it
[04:20] <Ng> mojo_: I forget how, but you might want to enable some cedega debugging, see if there are any helpful errors that suggest where the problem is
[04:20] <mojo_> ok
[04:20] <mojo_> labanux: when I run the game
[04:20] <labanux> mojo_. what game?
[04:20] <mojo_> labanux: I have an error file not found error = 21, you can search on net about this issue
[04:21] <mojo_> labanux: any game
[04:21] <labanux> mojo_,file not found? are you sure yo've install it correrctly?
[04:22] <mojo_> labanux: yes
[04:22] <mojo_> labanux: deb version
[04:23] <kent_> Am I wrong, or does the message on "shipit.ubuntulinux.org" mean that it does not cost anything to order a cd from Ubuntu?
[04:23] <wood1> By the way, Everyone online, what hardware features do you have in your PCs ?
[04:23] <wood1> I mean the speed of the Processor ?
[04:24] <Ng> wood1: ~2ghz
[04:24] <labanux> kent: yeah...
[04:24] <Ng> wood1: lots of RAM is more important though than a super high clock speed
[04:25] <labanux> kent: but i've order it sicne one month ago, but i still don't get itu right now
[04:25] <labanux> kent: then i download it myself.. :)
[04:26] <wood1> So how much of RAM is right for a now and 2 years from now ?
[04:26] <kent_> labanux, i read on the mailinglist that people have been getting their CDs now.  But i dont understand,  doesn't it cost a lot of monney? Cant the monney go to other things, like bountys for projects etc?
[04:27] <kent_> wood1, I have 512 mb of ram and a Amd XP 2x00 something CPU. I have no problem at all.  Less memory should not be used though..
[04:27] <Ng> wood1: I'd say get 512MB
[04:28] <wood1> Well I will go for 1 GB of RAM then
[04:28] <Ng> even better :)
[04:28] <wood1> Well I think investing more in RAM is better than investing between a Pentium and a Celeron
[04:28] <Ng> yes
[04:29] <Ng> definitely for openoffice type stufff
[04:29] <stegro> hi (i am just listening)
[04:30] <kent_> wood1 My experience is that at the time when i choose between diffrent CPUs, it seems like a big deal. But after a year or two.. then the difference that people see between those CPUs is minimal, the amount of ram though makes a big diffrent.
[04:31] <wood1> Well Kent, thanks for your advice
[04:32] <wintie> hi
[04:32] <wintie> does Ubuntu have amsn, real and xchat?
[04:33] <wintie> and if sum1 asks can i simply say am using Debian
[04:33] <wintie> is it a stable distro?
[04:33] <wintie> how popular is it?
[04:33] <wintie> can i backup my suse prior to install it?
[04:33] <labanux> kent: i thing those project would be get fund too...
[04:35] <sect2k> hi, anyone have any issues with GRUB and SATA drives?
[04:35] <wood1> I don't see the xfce Window Manager in my Login Screen !!!
[04:35] <kent_> hmm, couldn't the topic be read as if you want xorg, then its as easy as install Hoary? Well, its works like that, but you also could get a non-working system. Why not link to a page explainging that instead?
[04:35] <kent_> wood1, have you installed xfce?
[04:36] <wood1> I have installed it already
[04:36] <labanux> anyone can know how to enable mysql support on apache server in Ubuntu?
[04:37] <HcE> there is a php-mysql package
[04:37] <wood1> I don't understand why xfce is not displayed in the Sessions menu ?
[04:37] <wintie> labanux: no
[04:37] <HcE> don't remember the name correct, I'm a postgreSQL guy
[04:37] <wintie> HcE: no we don't
[04:37] <sect2k> labanux: depends on what kind of mysql support are you looking for
[04:38] <wintie> sect2k: no we don't
[04:38] <labanux> i've install apache2 in my Ubuntu, and the PHP runs well
[04:38] <wintie> labanux: who cares
[04:38] <wintie> :)
[04:38] <sect2k> labanux: you mean mysql support in PHP?
[04:38] <dataw0lf> I suggest going with Apache < 2 if you're not familiar with web server operation.
[04:39] <labanux> sect2k: yeah.., that's right
[04:39] <dataw0lf> especially if you're looking to do indepth coding in PHP, PHP is still having problems with some aspects of multithreading.
[04:39] <sect2k> labanux: enable universe, install php4-mysql
[04:40] <labanux> sect2k: oh.., ok wait a minute
[04:41] <wood1> Anybody, please help get my xcfe Window Manager up and running ?
[04:41] <sect2k> has anyone had any problems (GRUB Hard Disk error) when installing ubuntu
[04:41] <sect2k> and no, it's not dual boot related
[04:42] <wood1> I have already installed xfce but I can't use it
[04:42] <stegro> @sect2k: me (couldn't install grub on floppy)
[04:43] <labanux> sect2k : ohh yeaah....., it's work..
[04:44] <Gwildor_> wood1, why cant you use it?
[04:44] <stegro> (but I made my own floppy - doesn't look nice but runs)
[04:45] <wood1> Because xfce is not shown in my Session menu
[04:45] <Gwildor_> wood1, check synaptic to be sure it is installed?
[04:45] <Simira> *replacing Warthogs with Hedgehogs*
[04:45] <Simira> here we go
[04:45] <Gwildor_> Simira. good luck
[04:46] <Simira> thanks :) I'm a newbie, so I'm not sure how this goes :)
[04:46] <Gwildor_> Simira, neb here as well, went fine for me
[04:46] <Gwildor_> newb*
[04:47] <Gwildor_> is sed fixed?
[04:47] <sect2k> labanux: wish my porblems would be so easily resolved
[04:47] <Simira> I'm sure it will... why shoudn't it, anyway? :p
[04:47] <Simira> Mithrandi said
[04:47] <Gwildor_> Simira, bugs, but you should be fine
[04:47] <Simira> during then night
[04:47] <Kamion> Gwildor_: yes
[04:47] <Gwildor_> kamion, apt-get upgrade will just fix it?
[04:48] <Gwildor_> kamion, or is there a deb I need to download?
[04:48] <Kamion> upgrading should fix, please say if not
[04:48] <sect2k> i can't mount smb shares from fstab, but mount comand works fine, any insight?
[04:48] <Gwildor_> kamion, I wont know till later, when I get home from work, but I will deff let the room know
[04:48] <Simira> Kamion: you're a deb developer? or Ubuntu?
[04:48] <Gwildor_> kamion, anyone special I should tell, or just announce to the room?
[04:48] <daniels> Simira: (the two are not mutually exclusive)
[04:48] <ploum> daniels, ping ?
[04:49] <Kamion> Simira: both
[04:49] <daniels> ploum: sup
[04:49] <Kamion> Gwildor_: me
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> sed is fixed?
[04:49] <Simira> Kamion: ah, great. See you in Barcelona then :)
[04:49] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: there's an echo in here :)
[04:49] <ploum> daniels, I've tried your packages of xcompmgr and transset
[04:49] <Gwildor_> kamion, ok , but it wont be for 7 hours, about
[04:49] <Kamion> Simira: yep, should do
[04:49] <ploum> but I don't find any binary for transset
[04:49] <wood1> xfce is installed in Syanptic too
[04:49] <daniels> ploum: er yeah, there is none
[04:49] <Gwildor_> wood1, idk then, sorry
[04:50] <Tsjoklat> Kamion sorry just got in the room
[04:50] <Gwildor_> wood1, maybe just boot to terminal, then "xfce", or xfce4, idk, start xfce from terminal
[04:50] <mojo_> ppl
[04:50] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: ah, ok
[04:50] <mojo_> I've searhced through the net about the error = 21 of Cedega
[04:51] <mojo_> and I found out that this bug also happen with Debian unstable
[04:51] <ploum> daniels, is it an error ? Or an misunderstanding from myself ?
[04:51] <mojo_> and the only way to fix it is to use prelink -ua but I'm wondering y? b/c Ubuntu not use prelnk
[04:52] <Kamion> and cedega isn't supported by Ubuntu, so ...
[04:52] <daniels> ploum: nah, just an error on my behalf I haven't had time to fix
[04:53] <ploum> daniels, ok thanks :-)  Not a problem.  Thank you for your work, it's very fun to play with expocity and xcompmgr
[04:53] <ploum> Have a good day
[04:53] <mojo_> Kamion: please try this command 'prelink -ua', you will find lots of intersting warning that some must be bugs of Ubuntu
[04:53] <daniels> ploum: cheers
[04:54] <Kamion> prelink is fairly screwy at times, I'm sure some of them are minor bugs but it's not a high priority for us to fix
[04:54] <Kamion> I'm rather more interested in fixing the way OOo installation is broken right now :P
[04:55] <mojo_> daniels: the old enabling nvidia script still use XFree86config-4
[04:55] <Gwildor_> is the pre-linking stuff any good, YOPER uses it, but it doesn't seem any faster than ubuntu, to me?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> hehe lol Kamion
[04:55] <mojo_> daniels: can u create an Xorg version for it?
[04:55] <Kamion> Gwildor_: lot of effort and breakage for not very much gain, generally ...
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> gdesklets are broken again *sigh*
[04:55] <Gwildor_> kamion, ok.......the gain is non apparent to me, but thnx for the answer
[04:56] <daniels> mojo_: already done, just needs more testing
[04:56] <daniels> mojo_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/nvidia-glx-config if you want to try it
[04:57] <Gwildor_> daniels, what this do ?? "radeon_drv.o" ??
[04:58] <Gwildor_> daniels, its in the Xorg folder
[04:59] <daniels> Gwildor_: ... it's the radeon driver
[05:00] <Mabus> is that usable with xorg ?
[05:00] <daniels> what, the radeon driver?
[05:00] <Mabus> yes :)
[05:00] <ryanpg> daniels, huh.. didn't know you were a ubuntu guy also
[05:01] <mojo_> daniels: when I install array1, the Xorg won't start due to missing libGL library, first I Xorgconfig and make it work, then I try to reinstall array1 again and this time I install nvidia-glx and it works well (no need Xorgconf), i think you accidently enable libGL??
[05:01] <daniels> ryanpg: yeah, I am
[05:01] <daniels> Mabus: um, yes
[05:02] <daniels> mojo_: without your log and configuration file from the failed run, I can't help you at all
[05:02] <Mabus> daniels: oh, great! When I installed xserver-xorg, it removed my fglrx package, and I was told ATI drivers for xorg didn't exist yet.
[05:03] <mojo_> daniels: I will install array1 again, and copy u the text
[05:03] <daniels> mojo_: cool
[05:03] <daniels> mojo_: the *full* log file is essential
[05:03] <kent_> Even though i guess people might not be happier of this, I sort of have a confession.  I always used to feel a need of upgrading to the newest beta of Fedora and Redhat Linux (or debian unstable before that) when i used it before. But i kind of dont have that feeling now with Ubuntu. Thats kind of nice realy..
[05:03] <Mabus> (erm, or atleast there weren't any packages for it)
[05:03] <wood1> OK everyone thanks for your time
[05:03] <wood1> and the advice and tips
[05:03] <daniels> Mabus: you can't get 3D acceleration for Radeons 9550 or higher (r3xx/r4xx), because ATI haven't released the drivers
[05:04] <wood1> I will see you all later bye bye
[05:04] <daniels> Mabus: but you can get 2D on everything, and 3D on lower cards
[05:04] <Mabus> daniels: ah, alright. Any estimate on release?
[05:04] <daniels> Mabus: don't know, sorry
[05:04] <Mabus> daniels: ok, thanks
[05:04] <Mabus> kent_: I do :)
[05:06] <Mabus> daniels: A question.. I've been busy, and have installed Warty with 4 people (non-techies, used Windows before), and they think it's great (except for the one guy who's behind a proxy - proxy+linux=crap).. I'm just wondering how they will upgrade to Hoary when it's released?
[05:07] <Mabus> will they have to edit sources.list ?
[05:07] <daniels> yeah, sources.list
[05:07] <Mabus> or will you provide a package that depends on ubuntu-base that automatically edits sources.list with the stable changes ?
[05:07] <ermo> I'm trying to setup a raid1 on my ubuntu system. md and raid1 modules are loaded, but I get a /dev related error
[05:08] <ermo> anyone willing to take a look?
[05:08] <ermo> root@gizmo:/dev # mkraid /dev/md0
[05:08] <ermo> cannot determine md version: no MD device file in /dev.
[05:08] <Gwildor_> Simira, keep going, almost there
[05:08] <ermo> is ubuntu using devfs?
[05:08] <ermo> or udev?
[05:08] <fabbione> ermo: udev
[05:08] <Mabus> I'm not quite happy with that solution. None of them know what sources.list is.
[05:08] <ermo> Or do I need to manually create device nodes?
[05:08] <ermo> fabbione, thanks
[05:09] <fabbione> ermo: what do you have in /proc/mdstat ?
[05:09] <ermo> fabbione, i'll go check
[05:09] <Gwildor_> mabus, maybe right a little script for them
[05:09] <Gwildor_> write?
[05:09] <Mabus> :)
[05:09] <ermo> fabbione: Personalities : [raid1] 
[05:09] <ermo> unused devices: <none>
[05:09] <Mabus> Gwildor: Wouldn't it be possible to make such a package I proposed above ?
[05:09] <Gwildor_> mabus, I have no idea, newb
[05:09] <fabbione> ermo: what is your /etc/raidtab ?
[05:09] <Mabus> Gwildor: alright :)
[05:10] <ermo> similar to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-5.html in the raid1 part
[05:10] <Simira> Gwildor: done now. But I got a mail notice about a file system issue, so I'll have to check that out. Booting smoothly, though
[05:10] <fabbione> ermo: you need to start the raid first
[05:10] <fabbione> ermo: raidstart or something like that
[05:11] <fabbione> and you will see some interesting info in /proc/mdstat
[05:11] <ermo> fabbione, and I need to change my partition to be linux raid autodect too :)
[05:11] <Simira> has hoary got a differend x-server from warty?
[05:11] <Telep> Simira: yes, it now has x.org
[05:12] <ermo> fabbione, so I need to start the raid subsystem before I create the raid device mkraid /dev/md0 ?
[05:12] <ermo> fabbione, some howto :S
[05:12] <fabbione> ermo: you need to start it
[05:13] <ermo> fabbione, allright. I'll try to start fire it up.
[05:13] <ermo> -start
[05:13] <ermo> root@gizmo:/dev # raidstart
[05:13] <ermo> cannot determine md version: no MD device file in /dev.
[05:13] <fabbione> hold on a sec..
[05:13] <ermo> so, we're back to creating device nodes
[05:14] <ermo> fabbione, if I create them manually (using MAKEDEV) udev will save them and reload them on next boot, right?
[05:14] <fabbione> ermo: that's not the right way to do it
[05:14] <fabbione> just a second...
[05:15] <fabbione> (i am checking the documentation..
[05:15] <fabbione> i don't remember all of it on the fly)
[05:15] <ermo> fabbione, what documentation? The udev documentation?
[05:15] <fabbione> no
[05:16] <fabbione> the raid documentation
[05:16] <fabbione> there is no need to touch udev
[05:16] <Simira> Hedgehog in place. Wellwell.
[05:16] <ermo> fabbione, so you think that the raid system is capable of creating device nodes on the fly?
[05:16] <fabbione> ermo: i don't think.. it does
[05:17] <ermo> fabbione, ooooh.
[05:17] <fabbione> can you show me your raidtab please?
[05:18] <Simira> uh
[05:18] <ermo> fabbione, yes. I'll query you, ok?
[05:18] <Simira> the Hedgehog stole my shortcuts!
[05:18] <fabbione> sure
[05:20] <fabbione> ermo: ok
[05:20] <fabbione> ermo: did you mark the partitions as raid devices?
[05:20] <ermo> fabbione, not yet.
[05:20] <fabbione> ermo: do that
[05:20] <ermo> fabbione, so that could be the issue?
[05:20] <ermo> fabbione, will do
[05:20] <fabbione> one of them
[05:20] <atropus> Is there  newer libgtkhtml2 ubuntu package than 2.4.1?
[05:21] <atropus> It has a bug ....
[05:22] <atropus> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135489
[05:22] <bratsche> Anyone here using amd64?
[05:22] <Ng> bratsche: yep
[05:23] <bratsche> Ng: Did you have problems updating base-files to base-files_3.1.0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ?
[05:23] <bratsche> In Synaptic?
[05:23] <Kamion> bratsche: known, being fixed
[05:24] <bratsche> Kamion: Okay, thanks.
[05:24] <bratsche> Ng: Also, did you have problems with LANG and/or LANGUAGE environment stuff since you installed?
[05:24] <Kamion> it's actually technically xorg-driver-synaptics' fault, it's just that my base-files upload triggered it
[05:24] <Kamion> a new xorg-driver-synaptics has been uploaded and is just waiting to build on amd64
[05:24] <Ng> bratsche: I haven't hit a base-files problem, I haven't upgraded for a few days though
[05:25] <bratsche> Kamion: Does your Xorg have xf86vmode.h installed?  I think that should still be included, but it's not on my system.
[05:25] <Ng> bratsche: no LANG problems, I installed localeconf and set everything to use en_GB.UTF-8 and its been fine
[05:25] <Kamion> bratsche: probably the xlibs-static-dev split-out
[05:25] <daniels> bratsche: apt-get install libxxf86vm-dev
[05:25] <Kamion> ah, he beat me to it
[05:25] <bratsche> daniels: Cool, thanks!
[05:25] <Ng> bratsche: (en_GB obviously being for the UK, so don't pick that ;)
[05:26] <bratsche> Ng: I had to set $LANG=C because en_US caused much brokenness for me.  I never could figure out why.
[05:26] <bratsche> I might do a fresh install again sometime.
[05:26] <jordi> mutt -f =debian-devel-announce
[05:26] <jordi> ugh
[05:27] <fabbione> jordi: que pasa
[05:27] <darknite> Does anyone know when we can start using the sources from what will be the next release of ubuntu
[05:27] <Ng> bratsche: hmm. well from hoary it's all going to be UTF as far as I know :)
[05:27] <Kamion> Ng: legacy locales still supported though
[05:27] <Kamion> bratsche: did you turn off the non-UTF-8 locales?
[05:28] <bratsche> Kamion: I don't know.  When I first installed Ubuntu, my locale stuff was broken.  When I run Synaptic or whatever then I get lots of complaining.
[05:28] <jordi> fabbione: hey dude
[05:28] <jordi> fabbione: do you know if there's a known reason for apache1/sarge to start eating CPU?
[05:28] <bratsche> Kamion: Right now when I installed the libxxf86vm-dev I got complaining again and something about en.ISO-8859-1 but I have no idea where that's configured.
[05:28] <fabbione> jordi: are you passing by in Mataro?
[05:28] <jordi> just a process. kill that child and it goes back to normal
[05:29] <fabbione> jordi: ECHAN -> #debian-apache oftc
[05:29] <jordi> fabbione: yeah, I got a mail from Jane.
[05:29] <jordi> fabbione: ndo
[05:29] <Kamion> bratsche: your $LANG must be something listed in /etc/locale.gen (written by 'dpkg-reconfigure locales')
[05:29] <ermo> fabbione, no go just yet. I'm also experiencing issues w/hotplug on boot. I don't know if it might be related. And I get a 'failed' when the raid subsystem is started on boot...
[05:30] <fabbione> ermo: now you need to do the mkraid
[05:30] <Kamion> bratsche: type 'locale | head -n 1' for me?
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, I did. Same error as before.
[05:30] <fabbione> HMMM
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, no devices
[05:30] <bratsche> Kamion: LANG=C
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, like I said, I'll investigate the hotplug issue on boot.
[05:30] <ermo> fabbione, thanks for your time so far.
[05:30] <fabbione> ermo: it's not hotplug the problem
[05:30] <bratsche> Kamion: I set that manually because I didn't know what else to do.  I Just looked through locale.gen and found en_US.UTF-8 listed so I'll try that.
[05:31] <Kamion> bratsche: um, OK, look for anything in the output of 'locale' that isn't C
[05:31] <fabbione> ermo: check that /etc/init.d/mdadm and mdadm-raid are executed properly
[05:31] <ermo> fabbione, they aren't!
[05:31] <fabbione> ermo: velbekomme
[05:31] <goonie> I could use some help with 3d gfx problems I'm having... I just installed fglrx but 3d is still not working.
[05:31] <bratsche> Kamion: Everything says "C" except LC_ALL has no value.
[05:31] <fabbione> well that make a certain sense...
[05:31] <ermo> fabbione, precisely
[05:32] <ermo> so, I'll go take a look at that first and come back afterwards.
[05:32] <fabbione> ok
[05:32] <ermo> fabbione, how many lines may I paste in here? none?
[05:32] <ermo> fabbione, or is 3 ok?
[05:33] <fabbione> ermo: 3 is ok :-)
[05:33] <ermo> c
[05:33] <ermo> fabbione, root@gizmo:~ # /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start
[05:33] <ermo>  * Starting RAID devices...
[05:33] <ermo>  *ift: 40: can't shift that many
[05:33] <ermo> seems that it's a shell script error
[05:33] <fabbione> ermo: exactly..
[05:33] <ermo> I know there's a 'debugging' switch for bash ...
[05:34] <hitchhiker> goonie: have you edited XF86Config-4?
[05:34] <fabbione> ermo: set -x or sh -x /etc/init.d/mdadm start
[05:34] <goonie> hmmm.. no
[05:34] <ermo> fabbione, I'll set it in the mdadm-start file
[05:34] <goonie> what options should I set?
[05:34] <ermo> fabbione, and check
[05:34] <fabbione> ermo: ok
[05:34] <alexissoft> coucou
[05:35] <hitchhiker> goonie: have you checked the guide on the ubuntu web forums?
[05:35] <goonie> yes I followed a guide in there
[05:36] <goonie> should the driver section in XF86Config-4 be "ati" og "fglrx" ?
[05:36] <hitchhiker> you have to set Driver  "fglrx"
[05:36] <goonie> ahh
[05:36] <ermo> fabbione, + /sbin/mdrun
[05:36] <ermo> shift: 40: can't shift that many
[05:37] <fabbione> ermo: hold on
[05:37] <Kamion> ermo: your /bin/sh is dash, not bash; this is a known bug in mdadm I believe
[05:37] <goonie> thx hitchhiker
[05:37] <ermo> Kamion, yup. That holds
[05:37] <bratsche> So I changed it to en.UTF-8 but that gives the same sort of error.
[05:37] <ermo> fabbione, Kamion, thx.
[05:37] <bratsche> Generating locales...
[05:37] <bratsche>   en.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `en': No such file or directory
[05:37] <hitchhiker> No probs. Might be a bit more to it but I can't remember
[05:38] <bratsche> Where are locale definition files located?
[05:38] <Kamion> bratsche: en.UTF-8 is invalid
[05:38] <Kamion> bratsche: en_US.UTF-8; the _US is important
[05:38] <hitchhiker> The ubuntu web forums are dyding a death at the moment
[05:38] <ermo> Kamion, what's the dpkg-reconfigure correct way to use /bin/sh instead of dash? dpkg-reconfigure dash?
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> /etc/environment
[05:39] <Kamion> ermo: you don't *have* to use debconf, you're entirely entitled to just flip the symlink
[05:39] <goonie> I noticed
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> /etc/locale.gen
[05:40] <ermo> Kamion, btw: is en_IN.UTF-8 'international' or 'India-as-in-somewhere-near-the-himalayan-mountains'?
[05:40] <Kamion> ermo: but dpkg-reconfigure dash should work yes
[05:40] <Kamion> certainly not international
[05:40] <ermo> Figures.
[05:40] <Kamion> in fact there's no en_IN.UTF-8, only en_IN (whose encoding is UTF-8)
[05:41] <Kamion> it's India, yes
[05:41] <ermo> Kamion, fabbione: now raid works just fine. Oh well.
[05:41] <Ng> ermo: you're in denmark, right?
[05:41] <ermo> yes.
[05:41] <Ng> there's an en_DK and I see a da_DK too, not sure what that is
[05:41] <Ng> I guess danish ;)
[05:41] <bratsche> Danish?
[05:42] <bratsche> Yes.
[05:42] <ermo> Ng, you are not by any chance in charge of a thermonuclear warhead loaded in a sub or anything since you ask? ;)
[05:42] <Ng> ermo: no, definitely not :)
[05:42] <Ng> unless I'm *really* bad at my job ;)
[05:42] <ermo> Ng, just checking..
[05:43] <fabbione> bungle: you also in dk?
[05:43] <fabbione> argh
[05:43] <fabbione> ^^Ng
[05:43] <Ng> me? nope, I'm in the UK
[05:43] <ermo> Ng, scotland? ireland? or England? Wales? Did I miss anything ;)
[05:44] <fabbione> never mind
[05:44] <Ng> ermo: that's pretty much it ;)
[05:44] <Ng> ermo: England
[05:44] <Ng> find london, go south until you hit water, I'm about there ;)
[05:45] <ermo> Ng, ... and as nutty as can be expected from the country that brought us Monthy Python
[05:45] <daniels> ermo: india is in, indonesia is id
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> fg
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> fg
[05:45] <ermo> daniels, ack
[05:46] <ermo> Ng, last I tried (a while back) XFree and en_DK.UTF-8 weren't exactly on friendly terms :S
[05:46] <ermo> Ng, but I keep hearing that things are better in the X.Org side of the pond
[05:47] <Ng> ermo: ah, to be honest I think you can have problems with any locale because the whole thing is so confusing
[05:47] <mxpxpod> I just upgraded to hoary and I'm not getting a strange warning on the command line when I run X programs:
[05:47] <mxpxpod> (gvim:6428): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[05:47] <mxpxpod> (gvim:6428): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[05:48] <ermo> Ng, which brings me to the following question: Would it be feasible to use X.Org with warty and some apt.conf magic?
[05:48] <mxpxpod> and my locale is en_US.UTF-8
[05:48] <ermo> Ng, or is that but a tad short of suicidal?
[05:48] <daniels> mxpxpod: yeah, known issue
[05:48] <daniels> mxpxpod: i've been looking at it all today
[05:48] <mxpxpod> daniels: any clue how to fix it?
[05:48] <mxpxpod> oh, ok
[05:49] <mxpxpod> also, my fonts look funny
[05:49] <Ng> ermo: well, technically it should be possible, it might involve rebuilding the packages or moving a lot of stuff in from hoary, so I'd think very carefully before you do ;)
[05:50] <ermo> Ng, I thought as much. Guess I need to consider using hoary. Does detract from the 'well-tested, supposed to just work' side of things a bit I'd think..
[05:51] <Ng> ermo: yeah. it's not too many months till hoary is out though, or there are other distros already using x.org in their stable releases
[05:51] <ermo> Ng, but I like my ubuntu *pets his ubuntu*
[05:52] <Ng> hehe
[05:52] <hitchhiker> When booting, I'm getting two modprobe FATAL errors inserting pciehp and shpchp modules
[05:52] <Ng> you could upgrade to hoary, play with it for a little while until it's stable and just not update it until release so you don't get broken packages. that's getting a bit wild and crazy though ;)
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod
[05:53] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat
[05:53] <ermo> Ng, I'll consider that option carefully ;)
[05:53] <mxpxpod> does ubuntu turn off compositing by default in xorg?
[05:53] <Kamion> Ng: you wouldn't get any security fixes either by not upgrading
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> mxpspod what is in your: /etc/environment
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> can you check
[05:53] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> and in: /etc/locale.gen
[05:54] <Ng> Kamion: I did say wild and crazy :)
[05:54] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: en_US ISO-8859-1
[05:54] <mxpxpod> en_US.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15
[05:54] <mxpxpod> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> the first one is wrong then
[05:55] <ulisse> Hi all!
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> that should be: en_US UTF-8
[05:55] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod I would do:
[05:55] <ulisse> I have a problem with hoary, someone can help?
[05:56] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: no it shouldn't
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[05:56] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 is just fine, changing the encoding of en_US would be bad and isn't supported
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> Kamion he says it says ISO not UTF
[05:56] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: that's en_US, not en_US.UTF-8; his locale is set to the latter
[05:57] <Tsjoklat> Kamion, I read it differently then you
[05:57] <Kamion> honestly, that stuff is correct; you can tell because it matches /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[05:57] <Kamion> which is the canonical list of what locales glibc supports
[05:57] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=19356&posted=1#post19356
[05:58] <Kamion> the reason he has a problem is because X.org is currently broken with respect to UTF-8 locales
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod I had the same problem like you and by doing the above post it worked
[05:58] <mxpxpod> Kamion: ah, ok
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> but you can follow Kamion's advice
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> :)
[05:58] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: that's a different matter, affects only Windows mounts
[05:58] <Kamion> I didn't give any advice ... :) daniels knows what he's talking about here, above
[05:59] <ulisse> I recently updated to Hoary, but now autilus is very slow. Is it normal?
[05:59] <FTTP> the ubuntu bootloader causes problems with my windows xp
[05:59] <bratsche> Is there any way to get wxWidgets installed using Gtk 2.x?
[05:59] <Tsjoklat> Kamion all I am saying is.. I had the same problems as mxpxpod and I got it fixed by redoing my locales
[05:59] <daniels> Tsjoklat: that's a different problem
[05:59] <FTTP> my xp becomes non responsive with that bootloader from ubuntu
[06:00] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: the problem you cited on the forum was totally different to mxpxpod's?
[06:00] <wasabi> bratsche: for whatever reason Debian refuses to compile it with Gtk2. I've asked before.
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> I wasn't talking about my problem
[06:00] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: it mentioned UTF-8, but that seemed to be the only similarity
[06:00] <bratsche> wasabi: Crack smoking hippies!
[06:00] <daniels> Tsjoklat: his problem is that X.Org doesn't support his UTF-8 locale properly, causing GNOME (OK, GTK) apps to spew stuff to the console
[06:00] <wasabi> bratsche: agreed.
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> I was talking about jdub's advice on how to do the UTF-8
[06:00] <ulisse> FTTP: do you have ubu and xp on different disks?
[06:00] <FTTP> i even had the mbr get corrupted so i couldnt even get into windows
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> not about my problems
[06:00] <daniels> Tsjoklat: the problem that that post on the forum solved is that UTF-8 characters in Windows partitions weren't showing up as such
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> that got fixed
[06:00] <FTTP> ulisse yes
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> it is NOT about my mounting problems!
[06:00] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: seriously, 'en_US UTF-8' will cause you problems down the line on upgrades
[06:00] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: ok, gotcha
[06:00] <bratsche> wasabi: Ubuntu needs to fork on this particular idea. =)
[06:00] <FTTP> ulisse:  Is that a known issue?
[06:01] <wasabi> bratsche: agreed.
[06:01] <Tsjoklat> Kamion: what are you saying I should have sticked with ISO?
[06:01] <ulisse> No, I had the same problem
[06:01] <FTTP> ulisse you too?
[06:01] <FTTP> ulisee:  would your windows become unresponsive
[06:01] <ulisse> FTTP: where is xp and where is Ubu and where is Grub?
[06:01] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: en_US must be left at ISO-8859-1. 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8' is correct, and allows you to use LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[06:01] <FTTP> ulisse:  Grub is in 1st disk
[06:01] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: what that file defines is the character encoding of each precise $LANG setting
[06:02] <Tsjoklat> again: I was refereing to the post jdub posted about how to set up UTF-8 not my mounting problems
[06:02] <kent_> hmm, a long time ago i had this "Message to you sir"-sound with my icq-program. It was from Monthe python i think. Im just hoping now, but do some one have that sound-file, or know where to get it? it would be fun to have that with gaim.
[06:02] <Kamion> (or LC_CTYPE to be more accurate)
[06:02] <FTTP> ulisse:  Ubu is on 2nd disk
[06:02] <Tsjoklat> Kamion I changed everything to UTF-8
[06:02] <Tsjoklat> and not using ISO anymore
[06:02] <hitchhiker> When booting, I'm getting two modprobe FATAL errors inserting pciehp and shpchp modules, can anyone help?
[06:02] <Tsjoklat> but now I am confused about wether that is smart or  not
[06:02] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: en_US is defined to be ISO-8859-1; this is there for not-breaking-old-systems reasons and you should not change it. You should instead just use LANG=en_US.UTF-8, and then you don't *NEED* to change the encoding of bare en_US.
[06:02] <ulisse> FTTP: Bad, you should put ubu and grub on a disk and Xp on the other...
[06:03] <Tsjoklat> /etc/locale.gen en_US UTF-8
[06:03] <Tsjoklat>  is not okay?
[06:03] <FTTP> ulisse did you have the problem too?
[06:03] <FTTP> or no?
[06:03] <ulisse> yes
[06:03] <ulisse> with fedora
[06:03] <daniels> Tsjoklat: no
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> ah crap
[06:04] <daniels> Tsjoklat: you want either en_US ISO-8859-1, or en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> what do I do now?
[06:04] <FTTP> ulisse so its prolly a boot or kernel bug right?
[06:04] <ulisse> FTTP ok, let's go on
[06:04] <Kamion> /etc/locale.gen should have:
[06:04] <Kamion> en_US ISO-8859-1
[06:04] <Kamion> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
[06:04] <Kamion> (or similar)
[06:04] <FTTP> uliss how do i change the mbr boot partition?
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> do I just add it Kamion?
[06:04] <FTTP> ill report this as a bug
[06:04] <ulisse> FTTP: on wich partition is XP?
[06:05] <FTTP> ulisse:  1st HD
[06:05] <Tsjoklat> and what about /etc/environment LANG=en_US.UTF-8 <-- not right either?
[06:05] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: yes, then run 'sudo /usr/sbin/locale-gen'
[06:05] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: no, that's fine
[06:05] <FTTP> ulisse:  Boot partition + XP are on 1st HD, Ubunutu on 2nd HD
[06:05] <FTTP> ulisse how do i change boot partition to 2nd hd?
[06:05] <FTTP> do i have to reinstall?
[06:05] <ulisse> FTTP: ok, but you'll have more than one partition on the 1st disk, or not?
[06:05] <Tsjoklat> Kamion: so after I add en_US ISO-8859-1 do the locale-gen it should be okay? and does it matter if I put the en_US ISO-8859-1 first or second?
[06:06] <FTTP> ulisse:  I only have 1 partition on 1st hd
[06:06] <ulisse> fttp: I think you have to reinstall Grub, at least
[06:06] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: yes; doesn't matter
[06:06] <FTTP> ulisse:  My XP is on that 1st hd
[06:06] <Tsjoklat> cool ta
[06:06] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: make sure you keep 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8' or your $LANG setting won't work
[06:07] <Tsjoklat> it doesn't matter that all my additional languages in that file are all UTF-8?
[06:08] <sladen> that's what you want---everything \utf-8
[06:08] <mgp> hi -:>
[06:08] <Kamion> if you've edited those as well I'd be inclined to zap the lot, run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', and select the ones you want
[06:08] <sladen> the problems come when some things aren't
[06:09] <mgp> bah, apt-get doesent work?why?
[06:09] <dataw0lf> um.. whats the error you're getting?
[06:09] <ironwolf> mgp: a little more detail on apt-get please ?
[06:09] <Tsjoklat> Kamion edited? I set them with dpkg-reconfigure locales.. I just didn't pick the ISO because it was my understanding that hoary is moving away from that
[06:09] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: all right
[06:10] <Kamion> yes, it is by default, but legacy locales are still supported
[06:10] <bdale> lamont: fyi, the remainder of my stack of ubuntu CDs were hot items at my LISA 'guru' session yesterday.  I'm out now.
[06:10] <Tsjoklat> should all those languages have ISO too besides UTF?
[06:10] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: no
[06:10] <lamont_r> bdale: awesome
[06:10] <Tsjoklat> just the default one... ISO and UTF
[06:10] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: you *can* just zap the bare en_US line if you like
[06:10] <ermo> Kamion, just a thought: Is this explained anywhere in the FAQ/wiki?
[06:10] <mgp> i want to download mc , but the apt-get install doesent work..
[06:10] <bdale> lamont: good thing I pulled one out and left it on my desk at home...  ;-)
[06:11] <Kamion> ermo: well editing /etc/locale.gen by hand is supposed to be for experts :)
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> yes sorry ermo I shouldn't even have mentioned it
[06:11] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: keeping the ISO-8859-1 locale isn't required, but *if* you keep bare en_US it should be ISO-8859-1
[06:11] <Tsjoklat> this is one of those: don't try this at home things
[06:11] <lamont_r> bdale: I'll throw a few more in the B160 when I bring it down...
[06:12] <ironwolf> mgp: apt-get update && apt-get install mc  What error do you see?
[06:12] <bdale> lamont: k
[06:12] <Tsjoklat> Kamion I'll keep it the way you suggested.. the ISO and UTF in my local.gen
[06:12] <lamont_r> bdale: but I don't think they'll work on the b160 :-)
[06:12] <ermo> Kamion, Tsjoklat: well sucky locale support is a nasty sideeffect of legacy C code. Nobody wants to touch it, yet everyone agrees that it's a pain when it's not working. Which is all too often..
[06:13] <ermo> But that goes in offtopic. sorry.
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> ermo true to that... ubu has been very good to me with it though.. it all started when I switched to UTF
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> but slowly, but surely it is being smoothed out
[06:13] <ermo> Tsjoklat, see?
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> ermo I see.. :) but the people in ubu are really helpful
[06:14] <Kamion> I hope we'll have some kind of upgrade tool
[06:14] <ermo> Tsjoklat, certainly
[06:14] <ermo> Kamion, -> utf-8 you mean?
[06:14] <Kamion> at the moment fresh installations are relatively easy in this regard, but upgrades are less straightforward
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> weeee perhaps my gdesklets will work again now
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> it was not happy about gdk xlibs
[06:14] <bdale> lamont: ...yet...
[06:15] <Kamion> ermo: well, at least to enable the UTF-8 locale; switching people over to it automatically is a hairier problem
[06:15] <ermo> Kamion, in which cases? All?
[06:15] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: as daniels said above, that's a known bug in X.org; you can revert temporarily to LANG=en_US to avoid it
[06:15] <lamont_r> bdale: exactly
[06:15] <Tsjoklat> Kamion loads of hooks and angles
[06:15] <ermo> Kamion, or just a very large subset?
[06:15] <Kamion> ermo: well, pretty much all; after all you're changing how their files will be interpreted
[06:15] <Tsjoklat> Kamion naw I am going to give your input a ride.. in case of emergency I can always do the en_US thing
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> it won't make my box explode :)
[06:16] <ermo> Kamion, so true.
[06:16] <bdale> wow.  global crossing sees 95% post-SMTP-filtering spam.
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> knowing the problem makes it half of a problem
[06:17] <lamont_r> bdale: damn US government, anyway. :-)
[06:17] <daniels> Kamion: can you remember whether or not this UTF-8 stuff worked with 4.3?
[06:17] <Tsjoklat> lol you started that four hours ago Kamion
[06:17] <daniels> Tsjoklat: yes, not even our fastest build daemon can manage it in that time
[06:17] <bdale> and hand analysis of the remaining 5% showed that 56% of the remainder was clearly spam
[06:17] <bdale> "it's fractal.  the more you look at it, the more it looks like spam."
[06:18] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: don't believe so? I just started it a moment ago
[06:18] <Tsjoklat> on gentoo it took me almost a day daniels well two.. one for d/l one for compiling
[06:18] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: I might have mentioned it a while back though
[06:18] <Tsjoklat> Kamion you mentioned it a few hours back
[06:18] <Kamion> daniels: it was fine in warty certainly
[06:18] <daniels> Kamion: ok cool, there's a useful datapoint
[06:18] <Tsjoklat> ooo is a cow at best
[06:18] <lamont_r> Tsjoklat: big fat drunken cow, you mean
[06:18] <Kamion> Tsjoklat: fortunately I don't actually have to build the whole thing, just the source package; even that's slow
[06:19] <Kamion> daniels: at least, I believe so ... I guess I should check if you're relying on it, but I'm certain I'd have noticed
[06:19] <lamont_r> Kamion: only takes 4-6 hours on the buildd's... :-)
[06:19] <daniels> Kamion: yah, just wondering if I was wasting my time diving into 4.3 ;)
[06:20] <ulisse> I recently updated to Hoary, but now autilus is very slow. Is it normal?
[06:20] <Kamion> ulisse: make sure you've installed gamin
[06:20] <ulisse> Kamion: gamin, ok, I'll check immediately
[06:21] <jh|work> hello
[06:21] <Gwildor_> hi
[06:22] <ulisse> Kamion: I just installed it and now all is working! Thank You very much!
[06:22] <Kamion> ulisse: good stuff
[06:23] <kensai> I'm in a hurry I accidentally deleted grub and installed a new grub from other distro somebody can give me the output to their /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[06:23] <goonie> hitchhiker: thx for the help earlier.. solved my problem :)
[06:23] <kensai> in www.pastebin.com please
[06:24] <Tsjoklate> Kamion did you get the last bit?
[06:26] <ulisse> Another problem: when I try to install k3b, it asks for kcontrol
[06:26] <kensai> anyone can give me how to put ubuntu in grub again?
[06:27] <Kamion> Tsjoklate: no, don't think so
[06:27] <ulisse> but kcontrol generates this error:
[06:27] <ulisse>  tentata sovrascrittura di `/usr/bin/fileshareset', che si trova anche nel pacchetto kdelibs-bin
[06:27] <j^> kensai did you try update-grub?
[06:28] <ulisse> in english should sound like: tried overwriting of /ust/bin/fileshareset that is in kdelibs-bin pkg
[06:28] <kensai> I deleted the grub from ubuntu accidentally I can't boot to it
[06:28] <Tsjoklate> Kamion gamin works great one minute and another minute it doesn't refresh.. something I can about it?
[06:28] <Tsjoklate> ah did you send me one Treenaks? :)
[06:28] <Treenaks> Tsjoklate: come get them ;)
[06:28] <j^> kensai but you can write too it?
[06:28] <Tsjoklate> Treenaks anything to get me on that blasted plane huh
[06:29] <Tsjoklate> okay you keep one behind for me
[06:29] <Kamion> Tsjoklate: ah, I don't know about that, sorry
[06:29] <kensai> j^, don't know
[06:29] <Treenaks> I really like the design of the cover, though personally, I'd have made the background with the "edition" in it different
[06:29] <Tsjoklate> Kamion no biggie.. it works just has 'issues'
[06:29] <Treenaks> so the AMD64, PPC and x86 ones would be visually distinguisable by the small bar in the top left crner
[06:30] <j^> kensai how do you plan to use the menu.lst?
[06:30] <zenwhen> I have a case of beer, Linux, and chinese take out.
[06:30] <kensai> yep
[06:30] <zenwhen> Im the luckiest man alivve
[06:30] <Tsjoklate> zenwhen hail to that
[06:31] <zenwhen> :)
[06:31] <mxpxpod> is anyone else having font troubles with hoary?
[06:31] <Kamion> Treenaks: you can at least distinguish the i386 ones, since the packaging style differs
[06:31] <Pitr> (where 'ENOWORK' means 'No windows XP', ubuntu in fail safe mode ;)
[06:31] <Treenaks> Kamion: yes true
[06:31] <kensai> j^, I plan to usen the menu/.lst of this distro
[06:31] <mxpxpod> my fonts look very different in hoary from warty
[06:32] <zenwhen> No windows XP?
[06:32] <zenwhen> Thats a feature
[06:32] <Tsjoklate> mxpxpod as in?
[06:32] <zenwhen> not an issue
[06:32] <Treenaks> Kamion: but a small note for the next release (if CDs are going to be sent out for that..)
[06:32] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: hold on, I'll show you
[06:32] <Pitr> zenwhen, it is, I can't work on my C# apps now :(
[06:32] <Treenaks> Kamion: I'll add it on the wiki somewhere ;)
[06:32] <zenwhen> But you CAN
[06:32] <jdz_> pitti, get mono!
[06:32] <zenwhen> Install Mono
[06:32] <zenwhen> :D
[06:32] <Pitr> jdz, does that have a framework which runs on pocketpc?
[06:32] <Kamion> Pitr: there's an exceedingly annoying libparted issue which affects *some* Windows machines but not all, and is extremely hard to reproduce (I've never managed to reproduce it)
[06:32] <Pitr> i'm picky, I know.
[06:32] <Kamion> could be that
[06:32] <j^> kensai, if you boot from any bootable linux livecd, you can mount the root partition of ubuntu, use chroot /mountpoint and run update-grub
[06:32] <pitti> jdz_: hmm, I already have
[06:33] <pitti> jdz_: but what for?
[06:33] <Kamion> http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/ may help
[06:33] <Tsjoklate> hey pitti
[06:33] <ryanpg> noob question here... I'm installing ubuntu at school (I'm a teacher) and I had to walk away from the install... somewhere a root password had to be assigned but I didn't see it... su is asking for it of course but I don't know what it is... is there a default root password for ubuntu
[06:33] <ryanpg> ?
[06:33] <jdz_> pitti, pardon me.  I was attepting to tab compleat Pitr
[06:33] <kensai> j^, thanks
[06:33] <Pitr> Kamion, it doesn't even boot. It hangs shortly after 'grub'.
[06:33] <Pitr> jdz, I thought you were calling me names already. ;)
[06:33] <Kamion> ryanpg: no, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:33] <Pitr> That usually happens a few hours later
[06:33] <Kamion> Pitr: yes, I know; see that URL
[06:33] <ryanpg> Kamion, ty
[06:33] <pitti> jdz_: :-)
[06:33] <pitti> Tsjoklat: Hi
[06:33] <DracosX> ryanpc: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:34] <DracosX> er
[06:34] <DracosX> s/ryanpc/ryanpg
[06:34] <Pitr> Kamion, I'm talking ubuntu -live- here :) XP doesn't really like my SATA raid
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> dsl should be mandatory :{
[06:34] <Kamion> Pitr: I was referring more to the way your Windows installation didn't boot, as I understood it?
[06:35] <Pitr> Kamion: yes, but that's an entirely different problem. I was just whining, not asking for help ;) I asked for help on ubuntu earlier today :)
[06:35] <babilen> hi  all! whats ubuntus native method for setting the network settings?
[06:35] <bdale> lamont: chroot on sarti no likee building d-i for hppa ... works fine on j5k in real root running unstable.  you grokee?
[06:35] <Pitr> babilen, Do you have the proper ingredients at hand?
[06:35] <Tsjoklat> mmm gdesklets is still not a happy camper
[06:35] <Pitr> babilen, requires 5oz of mandrake and 1 straw of Rooibos
[06:36] <bdale> lamont: join us on #debian-boot for a few minutes if you can
[06:36] <babilen> Pitr: if you mean vim, yeah thats ready, if you thonk of a cable, already inserted..
[06:37] <babilen> haven"t worked with ubuntu before and don't know if there already is a tool and if there's not which config files to edit..
[06:37] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: compare www.reigndropsfall.net/screenshots/coaster-main.png and www.reigndropsfall.net/screenshots/coaster-main-new.png
[06:37] <hitchhiker> When booting, I'm getting two modprobe FATAL errors inserting pciehp and shpchp modules, can anyone help?
[06:37] <jdz_> hitchhiker, I get those too.
[06:37] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod alrighty
[06:38] <ryanpg> ok Kamion and DracosX the problem is sudo doesn't seem to work... for example sudo ls returns nothing
[06:38] <DracosX> um
[06:38] <Kamion> ryanpg: you're typing your password at sudo?
[06:38] <babilen> any hints?
[06:38] <ryanpg> Kamion, nope... just hitting enter
[06:38] <DracosX> ryanpg: if you really want to use the root acct
[06:38] <DracosX> then sudo passwd root
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod you don't like the new picture?
[06:38] <Kamion> ryanpg: is it prompting for "Password:"?
[06:38] <ryanpg> DracosX, I tried sudo passwd root, didn't work
[06:39] <Kamion> DracosX: hold off on that for a bit
[06:39] <ryanpg> Kamion, yes
[06:39] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: no... the fonts don't look crisp
[06:39] <Kamion> ryanpg: type your password
[06:39] <DracosX> ok
[06:39] <Kamion> ryanpg: your user password
[06:39] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: they look like something from a windoze box
[06:39] <ryanpg> Kamion, ohhh ok, trying that... thanks again
[06:39] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod no they don't....
[06:39] <Tsjoklat> maybe daniels or Kamion know anything about it
[06:39] <babilen> is there a config tool like yast for ubuntu or do i have to edit .conf files???
[06:40] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod I have to say my fonts look better now... but I use artwiz...
[06:40] <stvn> babilen: depends
[06:40] <mxpxpod> I'm just using bitstream vera
[06:40] <ryanpg> Kamion, that did it... sudo always asked me for the root password in other linuxes... thanks
[06:40] <ryanpg> now to figure out why XFree86 isn't finding any screens that work
[06:40] <ryanpg> grr...
[06:40] <hitchhiker> jdz_: Is there a fix that you know of?
[06:40] <babilen> stvn: depends on what? i want to set tyhe network settings...
[06:41] <DracosX> I'd suggest keeping the root account disabled and just using sudo when you need it
[06:41] <stvn> babilen: a lot of the configuration can be done with the gnome settings
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod ah that might be the problem
[06:41] <stvn> babilen: there's a gui for that
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> hoi stvn :)
[06:41] <stvn> hey Tsjoklat
[06:41] <Kamion> ryanpg: that's very strange, I've never seen sudo do that in any distribution
[06:41] <jdz_> hitchhiker, I believe it's fixed in Hoary.  The messages seem to be harmless though, I personaly just ignore them
[06:41] <Kamion> ryanpg: you're thinking of su I suspect
[06:41] <mxpxpod> hmm, and I can't access the shared folders settings
[06:42] <stvn> babilen: computer>>system configuration>>networking
[06:42] <hitchhiker> I only started getting them after upgrading to hoary
[06:42] <Kamion> hitchhiker: you can blacklist them in /etc/hotplug/blacklist if you like
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod do a search on the forums for vera... maybe somebody else has the same problem
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> or the bug site
[06:43] <Tsjoklat> ah no xorg updated again
[06:43] <Tsjoklat> my poor modem
[06:43] <babilen> have a friend sitting next to me who tried to configure his wireless lan card and eth0 won't be initialised at bootup time since then.....
[06:43] <hitchhiker> do I just add them to the list then?
[06:44] <arthurgeek> problems related to gnoppix (warty release) should be discuted here too?
[06:44] <stvn> babilen: are the cards recognised?
[06:45] <oddabe19> arthurgeek, that should be in #gnoppix
[06:45] <mxpxpod> where is the gnome screen shot application?
[06:45] <arthurgeek> oddabe19, i tried it, but i'm alone at #gnoppix
[06:45] <babilen> yeah i can see them, but they are not active.... when i /etc/init.d/ them they are working.....
[06:45] <oddabe19> lol
[06:46] <oddabe19> then go ahead and ask here
[06:46] <Tsjoklat> mxpxpod in gimp
[06:46] <FTTP> ack
[06:46] <stvn> babilen: tried ticking the enable option in network settings?
[06:46] <FTTP> my ntfs had errors from installing ubuntu
[06:46] <mxpxpod> Tsjoklat: :P
[06:46] <Tsjoklat> File: Acquire
[06:46] <Matt|> hey there is an op!
[06:46] <FTTP> i did a bootcfg /scan
[06:46] <FTTP> it had errors
[06:46] <Matt|> *grins*
[06:47] <FTTP> so i redid the mbr and bootcfg in xp
[06:47] <FTTP> now its working
[06:47] <FTTP> in windows <grin>
[06:47] <babilen> stvn: sure, they won't start.....  i think /etc/network/interfaces is messed up, and are searching for a ubuntu specific way to handle this problem...
[06:48] <arthurgeek> i burned gnoppix 0.8.2, rebooted my machine, and gnome showed up. everything fine. but when i try to open any app, this don't load. switch to tty1 (ctrl + alt + f1) shows an error (cannot open display)..
[06:49] <stvn> babilen: if /etc/network/interfaces is messed up, you've to edit it by hand, the gui tools only go so far
[06:51] <goonie> I need help with wireless and ndiswrapper plz. I have installed ndiswrapper and installed the correct win driver. iwlist wlan0 scan works but I can't connect to anything. any ideas?
[06:51] <arthurgeek> any1?
[06:52] <Matt|> goonie, what does "ifconfig" say?
[06:52] <Matt|> arthurgeek, sorry no idea
[06:52] <Simira> network card configuration
[06:52] <Matt|> Simira, thanks, I mean what does it say on his rig ;p
[07:13] (bluefoxicy/#ubuntu) how do I reconfigure a network adaptor to do DHCP
[07:14] <Yuusen> just got my free ubuntu distro cds - im very excited!
[07:15] (Gwildor_/#ubuntu) yuusen, really???, hope mine are at home waiting
[07:15] <jh|work> you guys didnt just burn em?
[07:15] <Yuusen> they took a while - about a month but the wait is worth it.
[07:16] <Yuusen> i have a dialup connection, it would take days to download the .iso
[07:16] (Gwildor_/#ubuntu) jh|work, I have been on ubuntu, I burned it, I still want my cd's though, ppl are waiting for them
[07:17] <Yuusen> Gwildor_: which platform are you running it on?
[07:17] <jh|work> ah
[07:17] <jh|work> i decided to save them $ for cd's and postage
[07:18] (Gwildor_/#ubuntu) Yuusen, i386
[07:21] (maswan/#ubuntu) Simira: :)
[07:21] (Gwildor_/#ubuntu) jh|work, umm he's a millionare, and besides, if money was an issue, they wouldn't have offered it
[07:22] <jh|work> true true
[07:23] <jh|work> Gwildor_, didnt know he was a millionare :) guess i should order some too :)
[07:24] (Gwildor_/#ubuntu) jh|work, lol, google for mark shuttleworth          96,700 hits
[07:24] <ondafly> hi folks - anyone have sound working in Ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 4150 ?
[07:26] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) ondafly, what's the sound chipset ..?
[07:26] <ondafly> hangon - i'll double check with the dell site. think its crystal, brb
[07:27] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) ondafly, just do lspci -v
[07:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) evening all
[07:27] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) and the best place to look thereafter is the alsaproject homepage ... to see which kernel module needs to be loaded
[07:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) mercurus_: ??
[07:27] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) ogra, that wasn't for you ... hi :)
[07:28] <ondafly> cheers Merc - Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller
[07:28] (Tsjoklat/#ubuntu) hey mercurus
[07:28] <FTTP> how can i get ddc information from my monitor
[07:28] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) hey Tsjoklat :)
[07:29] <FTTP> i reported a bug and got the responce my monitor doesnt report correct ddc information
[07:29] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) ondafly, ok ... very similar to mine :)
[07:29] (Tsjoklat/#ubuntu) :)
[07:29] <FTTP> i want to see the ddc information myself
[07:29] <FTTP> how can i do this?
[07:29] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0
[07:29] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) indeed.
[07:29] (ogra/#ubuntu) mercurus_: hi.... i was aware it wasnt for me ;)
[07:29] <ondafly> ok - done
[07:29] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: any errors ?
[07:30] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) and assuming that solves you problems, put that module's name in your /etc/modules file so it will always be loaded at boot time
[07:30] <ondafly> just root pwd request, thats it.
[07:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: fine look (listen) if it waorsk already
[07:30] <ondafly> sound volume controller, still refuses to come off zero
[07:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[07:31] <ondafly> when i open volume control i get error - "Sorry no mixer elements and or devices found"
[07:31] <FTTP> ok nevermind
[07:31] <FTTP> found windows utlity for ddc info
[07:31] <FTTP> lets see here
[07:31] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) ondafly, GNOME seems to take a while to catch up ...
[07:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: did you do the second modprobe ?
[07:32] <ondafly> done the 2nd one, nothing happened
[07:32] <ondafly> presume it doesn't require a 2nd su to root password
[07:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: the pw is kept for about 10 mins.....
[07:32] (mercurus_/#ubuntu) either restart your machine (with the module specified in /etc/modules) or change to a tty and restart gdm
[07:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: what about the micer ?
[07:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) x
[07:33] (Sensebend/#ubuntu) was that sed package ever fixed in hoary?
[07:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) Sensebend: sure
[07:33] (Sensebend/#ubuntu) :)
[07:33] (Sensebend/#ubuntu) great
[07:33] <ondafly> i dont even have @audio channels to change etc.
[07:34] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: can you move it ?
[07:34] <ondafly> its just empty window, as for the volume control, you can move it up/down, but when you let go, it returns to no sound
[07:35] <ondafly> if it helps - i feel like such an uber noob here ;)
[07:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: an empty window ?
[07:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: dont say noob :)
[07:36] (ogra/#ubuntu) hey plovs
[07:36] <ondafly> open window - right click on volume icon - selected prefs, that window is empty
[07:36] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: strange.....
[07:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: could you post the output of this command to #flood : lsmod|grep snd
[07:37] <ondafly> sound has worked on RH9 and Suse, but this is the first time trying a debian package
[07:38] <ondafly> i'll post it now
[07:39] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: try: sudo rmmod -f snd_intel8x0m
[07:40] <ondafly> done
[07:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: got a modem in this machine ?
[07:40] <ondafly> i do - but im using WIFI card at present to connect
[07:41] <ondafly>  Intel Corp. 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Modem Controller
[07:41] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) I can't believe this xmms stutters as if playing rap?
[07:41] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: what does the mixer do now ?
[07:42] <ondafly> same error - no mixer elements etc - but now i can't adjust volume control
[07:42] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) same prob here
[07:42] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) ** WARNING **: alsa_setup_mixer(): Failed to find mixer element: PCM
[07:43] <ondafly> almost the same ;)
[07:43] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: could you do the lsmod command again ? it should look the same, but without the snd_intel8x0m module
[07:44] <ondafly> i paste into flood
[07:44] (ogra/#ubuntu) k
[07:44] (kickb/#ubuntu) is it possible to configure so that after a specified time in the login screen the computer shuts down?
[07:45] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: hmm, looks ok
[07:45] <ondafly> @Kickb - only guessing here - but you could probably setup the power settings to pwoer down
[07:46] (kickb/#ubuntu) ondafly: but then it would also be shut down when a user is login
[07:46] <ondafly> true :( sorry
[07:46] (kickb/#ubuntu) maybe thats the only alternative..
[07:46] <ondafly> unless theres a script you could create ?
[07:47] <ondafly> runs at startup ? no activity, shutsdown -n ?
[07:48] (kickb/#ubuntu) You mean that I should have a user acount thats automaticly logs on and shut down the coputer...
[07:48] (kickb/#ubuntu) I could give that a try
[07:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: to flood please: cat /dev/sndstat
[07:48] <ondafly> well i wouldn't recommend that ;)
[07:49] <Saulo> Hello
[07:50] <ondafly> posted in flood
[07:50] <Saulo> exit
[07:50] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: thats weird....there should be more
[07:51] <ondafly> thats it im afraid
[07:51] <ondafly> card config - o card configured
[07:51] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: you are on warty ?
[07:52] <ondafly> warty - ubuntu
[07:52] <ondafly> yes
[07:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: at a laptop....
[07:52] (Tsjoklat/#ubuntu) hey Ruffian
[07:52] <ondafly> yes ;)
[07:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: what model ?
[07:52] <ondafly> dell inspiron 4150, 256ram , 10 gig IBM HD, ATi 32 meg g/card
[07:52] <ondafly> and 1 enterasys wifi card
[07:53] <Scognito> hi all
[07:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: that looks like your prob (same sounddevice similar lap)....https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1254
[07:55] (brdweb/#ubuntu) onyone know if the forums are down or can i just not reach them today?
[07:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: try: sudo rmmod -f lp
[07:55] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) can anybody give me pointers on why xmms gives me static at the start?  I via direct digital access (cd audio player libcdaudio.so) and running OSS plugin
[07:56] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) playing a reg CD
[07:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: tried the esd plugin ?
[07:56] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) yes, I'll try again
[07:56] <ondafly> @OGRA i accepted the cert
[07:56] <ondafly> tis a sound day to be sure :)
[07:57] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) ogra:same problem
[07:57] <Scognito> ogra, how much the cd-shipping?
[07:57] (ogra/#ubuntu) Scognito: dunno, hebat got mine yet
[07:57] <Scognito> k
[07:57] (ogra/#ubuntu) havent
[07:58] <Scognito> what about to add numlock ON when X is launched
[07:58] <ondafly> @Ogra - do you think if i disable the modem ? the sound card will take over that IRQ ?
[07:58] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: no, if you boot with pci=noacpi in your kernel commandline
[07:59] <ondafly> ok , cool - you've been very helpful !
[07:59] (nimc/#ubuntu) anyone knows how to get totem-xine to use alsa output / dmix ?
[07:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: :) do you get it fixed alone ?
[08:01] <FTTP> how does one see there monitor config settings in windows?  to see the refresh rate listings and the like
[08:01] <FTTP> i mean in text
[08:01] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: why xmms ? and not beep-media-player (succsessor)
[08:01] <FTTP> u know the config files
[08:01] <ondafly> im gonna try the pci command and reboot
[08:01] (scaroo/#ubuntu) FTTP, probably in the registery
[08:02] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) cause xmms allways for direct digital access to music 'casuse I'm on a mac
[08:02] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: if it doesnt work, lets try the parport stuff from the bug....
[08:02] <FTTP> scaroo which part?
[08:02] <FTTP> scaroo:  See i reported a bug with my monitor and ubuntu
[08:02] <FTTP> and im trying to see if windows correctly detects it
[08:02] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: ok....
[08:02] <FTTP> and what settings it used
[08:02] <ondafly> okie dokie - ironically - this could be the very same problem on the thinkpad i have. but thats the girlfriends, and I dont know the passwords to boot it up right now
[08:02] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) macs don't convert sound  to analogue until later
[08:03] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: yep....
[08:03] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) and xmms seems to have a dread plugin that facilates this
[08:03] (scaroo/#ubuntu) FTTP, which kind of scren is it ?
[08:03] <ondafly> right i've ran pci=noacpi, gonna reboot now
[08:03] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly:ran ?
[08:03] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) work good after the initial 5 sex of intermitent loud static
[08:04] <FTTP> scaroo hitachi superscan 753
[08:04] <ondafly> maybe i've misunderstood - just ran it in a terminal ?
[08:04] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) oops meant SECS
[08:04] <FTTP> scaroo:  I reported the bug and i tried a software program to detect ddc settings and its not being detected correctly
[08:04] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: no no, you must add it to your boot commandline....in a file .....
[08:04] <FTTP> scaroo:  could it be the video card?
[08:05] <FTTP> scaroo:  its a nvidia mx420
[08:05] <ondafly> eh - do you have the name of the file ?
[08:05] <FTTP> it works fine with windows but the refreshrate listing has rates that wont work
[08:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: do it testwise on boot first....
[08:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: you have to press esc on boot....in the menu press e
[08:06] <ondafly> ah ok - i'll get a pen and paper !
[08:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: look for this line: kernel          /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash
[08:07] (scaroo/#ubuntu) FTTP, here is what i found for your screen : Hrefresh : 31 - 107kHz
[08:07] <FTTP> scaroo i know what the specs are......
[08:07] (scaroo/#ubuntu) VRefresh : 50 - 160Hz
[08:07] <FTTP> scaroo:  I want to see if windows autodetected it correctly
[08:07] <FTTP> scaroo:  I have the .inf files from hitachi
[08:07] <ondafly> ok - do i input the pci command at any stage during ?
[08:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: and add pci=noacpi in the end with a space behind "splash"
[08:08] <FTTP> which gives all the info
[08:08] <ondafly> ah cool
[08:08] <FTTP> scaroo my question tho is where the xp config is
[08:08] <ondafly> i'll give it a go now.
[08:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: then boot with this commandline
[08:08] <ondafly> ok
[08:08] <ondafly> think i know what to do ;)
[08:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) fine .....
[08:08] (scaroo/#ubuntu) FTTP, that i cannot answer, havent touched a windows since a long time
[08:08] <ondafly> confidence !
[08:08] <ondafly> brb folks
[08:10] <FTTP> scaroo what can i use to detect my monitors ddc settings?
[08:10] <FTTP> and what does ubuntu use to detect it?
[08:10] <FTTP> maybe the detection program is off
[08:10] <FTTP> maybe a different program can read it correctly
[08:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: ddcprobe
[08:11] <FTTP> ddcprobe is what ubuntu uses right?
[08:11] (ogra/#ubuntu) think so.....
[08:12] <FTTP> ogra:  when i report a bug to canocal for example
[08:12] <FTTP> i mean ubuntu
[08:12] (Pitr/#ubuntu) "Welcome to the MORPHIX livecd" ?
[08:12] <FTTP> do they give the bug back to the ddcprobe makers?
[08:12] (LBM/#ubuntu) hmm, my harddrive is spinning up all the time (laptop)
[08:12] (LBM/#ubuntu) any idea why?
[08:13] (LBM/#ubuntu) running hoary
[08:13] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: if its not caused by unubtu modifications i guess ....
[08:13] <FTTP> ogra yeah they told me they use defaults if it doesnt detect correctly
[08:13] (ogra/#ubuntu) Pitr: yep its morphix based.....
[08:13] <FTTP> ogra:  They need something better
[08:14] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: write something :)
[08:14] <FTTP> ogra cause for me it means i have to manually go into fix it....... all the distros for the most part have solved the detection problem like suse, fedora, etc....
[08:14] (scaroo/#ubuntu) X has its own dcc detecting procedure
[08:14] (scaroo/#ubuntu) it is set by the UseDCC option in X conffile
[08:14] <Gaaruto> hi
[08:15] <FTTP> scaroo which is ubuntu using tho?
[08:15] <FTTP> scaroo to detect dcc i mean
[08:15] <FTTP> scaroo:  my monitor is ddc compliant
[08:15] (scaroo/#ubuntu) as every distro using X (ie all) it use the X one :)
[08:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) scaroo: thnx for this info :)
[08:15] <ondafly> it works !
[08:15] <FTTP> scaroo is x.org different ddc detection?
[08:15] <ondafly> me gots sound now
[08:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu) we use xresprobe
[08:15] <Gaaruto> do you know how to resolve this problem please ? "could not open vmg" in mplayer, when i want to lauch a dvd
[08:16] <FTTP> thanks kamion
[08:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) at least for the detection used by the X postinst
[08:16] <FTTP> kamion:  See i have a hitachi superscan 753 which is supposed to be DDC compliant.....
[08:16] (corbob/#ubuntu) if i were to order cds, is the phone number required?
[08:16] <ondafly> noticed the following in the boot "address space collision on region 7 of bridge" i assume this is IRQ 7 being referred to
[08:16] <FTTP> kamion:  i tried some apps which couldnt detect it
[08:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: let me preemptively say that I know very little about this sort of thing, so I'm not a good person to talk to
[08:16] <FTTP> in windows it has my monitor with refresh rates i cant use
[08:17] <FTTP> kamion:  you know fabio?
[08:17] <FTTP> kamion from canocal
[08:17] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: great, now to the hard part......
[08:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I know we use xresprobe because that fact impacted on a lot of things I was doing at the time, and because I was sitting next to Fabio and Daniel as they wrote half of it
[08:17] <ondafly> editing the files ?
[08:17] <FTTP> kamio:  ahh you know fabio :)
[08:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, since I'm a Canonical employee I know most of the others
[08:17] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: to make the change permanent you do: sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:18] (ogra/#ubuntu) lol
[08:18] <FTTP> kamio:  I reported the bug to him, he closed it out, but i reopened it cause i think there should be a better way of having the monitor detected (if at all possible) or at least allow me to manually set the monitor using its settings from a list
[08:18] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: find the line again... its in the last third
[08:18] <FTTP> kamio ill keep dealing with fabio on the issue thanks tho
[08:19] <jcole> when i did an apt0-get source open-office.org i got openoffice.org-amd64-1.1.2-2ubuntu6... i'm i386 architecture... any ideas???
[08:19] <sirfred> Hi. Just a little question.
[08:19] (ogra/#ubuntu) jcole: hoary or warty ?
[08:19] <jcole> warty
[08:19] <FTTP> kamio:  he told me that they use defaults and that the monitor couldnt be detected by ddc correctly
[08:19] (Tsjoklat/#ubuntu) I need to get myself a job at Canonical
[08:19] <sirfred> What state is hoary? Could I upgrade from Warty and be able to use my computer?
[08:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: you're missing a character from my nick, so none of your comments auto-highlight
[08:20] <FTTP> kamion oops sorry
[08:20] <FTTP> your using x-chat?
[08:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I doubt I can help you anyway, though
[08:20] <ondafly> orgra excellent, gonna give it a reboot. BRB
[08:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: irssi
[08:20] <FTTP> ok
[08:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) sirfred: yes, but be aware it could break
[08:20] <sirfred> ogra: I used to use debian sid.
[08:20] <sirfred> ogra: That kind of be aware ?
[08:20] <sirfred> ogra: Or worse?
[08:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sirfred: about that, yes
[08:20] <sirfred> Kamion: That's fine. I'm upgrading so.
[08:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sirfred: we merge from Debian sid regularly
[08:21] <sirfred> Great.
[08:21] <FTTP> kamion:  is that how it usually works with bug reporting tho?
[08:21] <jcole> ogra: actually, it's apt-get source openoffice.org-java
[08:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sirfred: we have some of our own crack as well
[08:21] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) Anyone know where the OpenOffice Templates are?
[08:21] <sirfred> I'm a little bored here at Warty
[08:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: what do you mean?
[08:21] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) They don't seem to be installed.
[08:21] <jcole> ogra: can you try it and see if you get a similar response?
[08:21] <FTTP> kamion:  where they would close out a bug even tho there should be a better way then for me to manually go into the file and edit by hand?
[08:21] <sirfred> Every time I try apt-get update...
[08:21] <sirfred> OK. Thank you guys.
[08:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: that depends, you're sort of asking "is it usual to be human?"
[08:22] <FTTP> kamion:  No....... i mean other os's and distros dont require me to do it by hand
[08:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: sometimes developers and users disagree, sometimes one is wrong, sometimes the other is wrong, sometimes both are right but there are legitimate differences of opinion
[08:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) jcole: same here....Kamion, any idea why apt-get source openoffice.org-java results in openoffice.org-amd64 1.1.2-2ubuntu6 ?
[08:22] <FTTP> they usually allow me to select from a list or i dunno how the current fedora does it now.... havent tried it yet
[08:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) on i386 on warty
[08:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: Fabio evidently thought it was impossible to do a better job, you disagree *shrug*
[08:23] <FTTP> kamion:  no i mean
[08:23] <FTTP> kamion : awww nevermind :) i reopened the bug
[08:24] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ogra: both openoffice.org and openoffice.org-amd64 sources produce openoffice.org-java; source is architecture-independent enough that there's nothing in the indexes to say that openoffice.org-amd64 is inapplicable
[08:24] (ryanpg/#ubuntu) just installed ubuntu on some ooooold hardware.... pentium 233, it's a little sluggish.... anyone recommend a distro that's built for old hardware?
[08:24] <Supermoose> during the install process how do i delete the resolutions i don't want ubuntu to use?
[08:24] (nimc/#ubuntu) anyone knows how to get totem-xine to use alsa output / dmix ?
[08:24] (ogra/#ubuntu) Kamion: okay, thats waht i thought, just wanted to make sure its notthing wrong with the repo....
[08:24] (ogra/#ubuntu) jcole: seen it ?
[08:25] <nartez> hello, how do i prevent the dual boot problems with windows xp when installing ubuntu?
[08:25] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) OpenOffice.org as installed in Ubuntu doesn't seem to have the templates and designs installed. There's nothing in Synaptic to suggest that there is a separate packege I need to install, though.
[08:25] <Supermoose> nartez i had no problems with duel booting ubuntu and zp
[08:25] <Supermoose> xp
[08:25] <nartez> Supermoose, i did unfortunately, as with all other 2.6 based distros
[08:25] <Supermoose> =/
[08:25] <jcole> Kamion: so, if i dpkg-buildpackage it i will get a  openoffice.org-java i386 deb?
[08:26] <nartez> with fedora i can solve it using 'linux hda=xx,xx,xx' at install time
[08:26] <nartez> worked with mandrake too
[08:26] <Supermoose> I am having other issues though, during the install process how do i delete the resolutions i don't want ubuntu to use? i think it tries to use a large res and therefor startx dosent start
[08:27] <FTTP> kamion:  He assumed right away that it didnt detect ddc info.......  I found out by googling that there is a way to probe it
[08:27] <FTTP> kamion:  Ill reprobe it to see what comes up :)
[08:27] <ondafly> sound is working perfectly now - OGRA - thanks very much for your help
[08:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) ondafly: :)
[08:27] <ondafly> i learned something :)
[08:28] <FTTP> xresprobe savage for savage cards
[08:28] <FTTP> i have an nvidia
[08:28] (mos__/#ubuntu) does anyone know if its possible to set the maximum width of each tab in the window list of gnome?
[08:28] <FTTP> so xresprobe nvidia ?
[08:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: unlikely; just apt-get source openoffice.org?
[08:28] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) does anybody know how to create a cross device link?
[08:28] <FTTP> kamion:  Oh one other thing, u know how to reinstall grub on my pc?
[08:28] <jcole> Kamion: openoffice.org-java is not a part of openoffice.org
[08:29] <FTTP> i had to remove it cause my windows wasnt work it
[08:29] (trukulo/#ubuntu) grub-install
[08:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ... what he said
[08:29] <FTTP> trukulo :  How do i boot into linux tho?
[08:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: it is
[08:29] (trukulo/#ubuntu) FTTP, rescue mode with ubuntu cd
[08:29] <FTTP> oh
[08:29] (trukulo/#ubuntu) or live cd and chroot
[08:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: I've got the Sources file right here
[08:29] <FTTP> ok
[08:29] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) FTTP you shouldn't have had to uninstall grub... you just really needed to change the grub config files
[08:29] (trukulo/#ubuntu) i agree goatboy_
[08:29] <FTTP> gotd0t:  I had an issue with windows.........
[08:29] (trukulo/#ubuntu) GotD0t,
[08:29] <FTTP> so i redid the mbr
[08:29] <Sensebend> Windows is an issue with me
[08:29] <Sensebend> lol
[08:30] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) does anybody know how to create a cross device link?
[08:30] <Sensebend> * sorry * I had to add that
[08:30] <FTTP> gotd0t:  how should i install grb with 2 harddrives ?
[08:30] <jcole> Kamion: ok, i'll try it
[08:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: oh, the source package doesn't actually seem to build it, hmmm
[08:30] (trukulo/#ubuntu) FTTP, yes
[08:30] <FTTP> i have windows on 1st, linux on 2nd
[08:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: see the udev docs
[08:30] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) fttp: no clue
[08:30] <FTTP> should i set mbr to 2nd?
[08:30] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: thanks
[08:30] (Tsjoklat/#ubuntu) btw Kamion thanks for the help earlier.. didn't really thank you
[08:30] <FTTP> i had mbr on 1st and it killed my system
[08:30] (trukulo/#ubuntu) no, only 1st
[08:30] <FTTP> for windows
[08:30] <ondafly> what windows is it ?
[08:30] <ondafly> XP or 2000 >
[08:30] <FTTP> xp pro
[08:31] <FTTP> ondafly:  XP Pro
[08:31] <ondafly> AFAIK , windows, needs to be top of the class on the MBR
[08:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: see debian/README in the source package, it's not built by default
[08:31] <ondafly> if u dual boot
[08:31] <FTTP> ondafly doh that was the issue
[08:31] <FTTP> linux was 1st
[08:31] <jcole> Kamion: ya, i have to "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS='jdkhome=/usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun'"
[08:31] <FTTP> ondafly ok so in grub-install change that?
[08:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: np
[08:32] <FTTP> ondafly see i didnt know that :)
[08:32] <ondafly> personally i wud have installed windows first, then, linux. but i could be wrong.
[08:32] (Tsjoklat/#ubuntu) :)
[08:32] <FTTP> ondafly:  I just have to in grub-install to make it the 1st load?
[08:32] <jcole> Kamion: 200mb of compressed source...
[08:32] <FTTP> ondafly:  i had windows xp installed 1st
[08:32] (brdweb/#ubuntu) anybody with some ideas why hotplug under hoary isn't seeing my firewire ipod when i plug it in? it *should* mount as sdb but there's no such device
[08:32] <FTTP> ondafly:  I thought u meant on the grub screen
[08:32] <FTTP> ondafly:  On grub it lists linux first
[08:32] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: yeah, I'm rebuilding it now, it's a pain :(
[08:33] <ondafly> ah ok . im not to sure mate. i hand't seen your previous posts. can you boot into Linux at all ?
[08:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) Kamion: lang changes already ?
[08:33] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ogra: hmm?
[08:33] <FTTP> ondafly from rescue cd yeah
[08:33] <FTTP> ondafly but ......
[08:33] <ondafly> and what error, or is there any, when you boot from the HD ?
[08:33] <jcole> FTTP: winduhs has a hard time with dual-booting if it's not on the very 1st partition on the very 1st drive
[08:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) Kamion: are you already rebuilding with the stripped lang packages
[08:34] <FTTP> jcole:  my windows is on the very 1st partition of the 1st drive
[08:34] <ondafly> does your XP partition still work ?
[08:34] <pdaoust> quick question: what is that Debian command that changes the default programs (e.g., text editor from VIM to nano)?
[08:34] <jcole> Kamion: do i have to rebuild everything or can i just do the one package?
[08:34] <FTTP> jcole:  I installed linux on the 2nd hd and mbr on the default
[08:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ogra: no, I'm backporting the fix for the file conflict between openoffice.org and openoffice.org-l10n-en; being impatient and not waiting for the Debian fix because I want to have working CDs
[08:35] <jcole> FTTP: you can't boot into linux?
[08:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: I don't know the OOo build system well enough to say, I'm afraid
[08:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) Kamion: oh, great :)
[08:36] <FTTP> ondafly:  Windows was having problems running...... i replaced the mbr and ran bootcfg /scan and chkdsk /p and the like and now its working fine with XP...... there were errors created after the ubuntu install with grub
[08:36] <nartez> FTTP, as far as i see it, no amount of grub modifying will work, your best bet is this solution for fedora, which might work: http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[08:36] <FTTP> ondafly:  Im in XP working fine after a little work
[08:36] <ondafly> thats probably changed the MBR so
[08:36] <pdaoust> nevah mind, found it
[08:36] <pdaoust> bai
[08:37] <FTTP> To avoid the hard disk geometry to be altered
[08:37] <FTTP> yah
[08:37] <FTTP> i had weird errors
[08:37] <FTTP> if my xp is working fine after chkdsk and the like, i shouldnt have to worry about reinstalling it right?
[08:37] <nartez> unfortunately the preventive step, before installation, doesnt seem to work with ubuntu or debian based distros
[08:38] <ondafly> why not try a reinstall of ubuntu ? i'd say XP is fine
[08:38] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) anybody know of a good app that will convert AAC's
[08:38] <FTTP> ondafly:  cause there were errors
[08:38] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) or allow me to play AAC's in XMMS
[08:38] <FTTP> ondafly but chkdsk /p fixed em... i just dont want to have problems again
[08:38] <ondafly> believe me, i had my eyes up to heaven today with WINNT, BSOD all due to a stupid DLL that went corrupt for no reason !
[08:38] <FTTP> chkdsk /p in disk recovery mode i mean
[08:38] <FTTP> for windows
[08:38] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: isnt AAC DRM encrypted ?
[08:38] <ondafly> so if you have no errors in XP, its fine
[08:39] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: not all
[08:39] <FTTP> ondafly:  HAD errors :P
[08:39] <ondafly> but fixed em !
[08:39] (LBM/#ubuntu) "Enable laptop-mode. Should possibly ask on install and warn it can cause data loss."
[08:39] <FTTP> ondafly:  so fixed errors means no data loss?
[08:39] (LBM/#ubuntu) i wasn't asked afair
[08:39] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: it has the ability to be DRM encrypted... just like you can DRM wma's
[08:39] <FTTP> ondafly:  just that the geometry or whatever was fixed?
[08:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) LBM: um, why's laptop-mode likely to cause data loss?
[08:39] <ondafly> not necessarily - sometimes windows brings you back to previous states
[08:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) LBM: we should fix that bug, not ask
[08:40] <FTTP> ondafly:  but if its working its fine right?
[08:40] <ondafly> i.e. reg keys that were long gone, are back from the dead
[08:40] <ondafly> yes
[08:40] <FTTP> ondafly:  ok
[08:40] <FTTP> ondafly:  I dont want to have more errors tho..... appears to be an issue i take it
[08:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: probably mplayer can do it......not sure though
[08:40] <ondafly> thats why i suggest doing a reinstall of unbuntu. it
[08:40] <FTTP> ondafly:  I reported it as a bug
[08:41] (LBM/#ubuntu) Kamion: just saw that note on the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogLaptop)
[08:41] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: i dont like mplayer... i like XMMS, which leaves me to two options... find something to convert from AAC or to find a plugin for XMMS
[08:41] <FTTP> ondafly:  With novell 9 linux, my mbr got completely wiped
[08:41] <ondafly> to be honest mate, im not a big fan of dual booting
[08:41] <FTTP> ondafly:  I had this problem with multiple distros
[08:41] <FTTP> ondafly:  Different results but always due to the mbr
[08:41] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: convert with mplayer to ogg ?
[08:41] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: mplayer can convert files?
[08:42] <FTTP> ondafly:  tons of people dual boot so it has to be fixed eventually :)
[08:42] <FTTP> ondafly some workaround
[08:42] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: mencoder.....
[08:42] (brdweb/#ubuntu) GotD0t: there IS a plugin for xmms that will play aac files... i had found it once when i was using Mepis
[08:42] <ondafly> ah i know, i just don't trust MBRs etc
[08:42] <ondafly> and MAxtor HDs !
[08:42] <ondafly> ;)
[08:42] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) FTTP: i dual boot ubuntu and win xp
[08:42] <nartez> heh, i always have it too... but at least with fedora it has some explanation!
[08:42] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) FTTP: no probs
[08:42] <FTTP> gotd0t:  did i install ubuntu right tho with grub?
[08:42] <FTTP> mbr on the 0 or default or whatever
[08:43] <FTTP> and windows 1st hd, linux 2nd
[08:44] (Despair/#ubuntu) "ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619" ... hurray?
[08:45] (ogra/#ubuntu) LBM: there is a bold "done" in the end of the sentence....
[08:45] <ondafly> is it possible to install SMB support using Synaptic ?
[08:47] (LBM/#ubuntu) ogra: there is, but i wasn't notified about possible data loss ;)
[08:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) LBM: so i would assume there is no possible data loss anymore :)
[08:48] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) ondafly: are you trying to turn on 'Windows Networking'?
[08:49] <ondafly> Webmaven Yes - i can see my win workgroup, and the machine within it, but can't access its shares.
[08:49] (LBM/#ubuntu) ogra: maybe not
[08:49] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) Same here.
[08:49] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) I'd also like to know the answer.
[08:50] <ondafly> just in case, i setup a user on the win2k machine with same etc as the linux one, but no joy. i need to get SMB configured somehow, but can't find the option
[08:50] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) ondafly, me neither.
[08:50] <ondafly> and now i get SMB support not running. Anyone a clue where there is a "Services" type section ?
[08:50] (ogra/#ubuntu) elmo: what did you do ? appears faster....
[08:52] <punkass> is anyone printing off a windows shared printer?
[08:52] (WebMaven/#ubuntu) What app can I use to get an image file out of a PDF?
[08:52] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) punkass: a printer on a windows box?
[08:52] <punkass> yeah
[08:52] <ondafly> @punkass - i would if i cud get SMB running ;)
[08:52] <punkass> i am trying to access a shared printer on an XP box
[08:52] <FTTP> gotd0t:  Ill wait till i get the results of my bug back
[08:52] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) punkass: if you set up the printer for IPP printing you can use cups
[08:52] <FTTP> before i repartition
[08:52] <elmo> ogra: just reboot
[08:53] (ogra/#ubuntu) heh
[08:53] <FTTP> ill see if i can get into ubuntu with the cd tho
[08:53] <punkass> i can do that on windows?
[08:53] <FTTP> what do i need to load when i put in the cd?
[08:53] <FTTP> what flags upon boot?
[08:53] <FTTP> rescue?
[08:53] (ogra/#ubuntu) elmo: its a lot faster actually
[08:53] <xukun> moi
[08:53] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) punkass: what version of windows
[08:53] <punkass> xp pro
[08:53] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) punkass: ok... set the printer for IPP sharing
[08:54] <punkass> what happens when i try to connect to the printer via samba is i get a NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED error
[08:54] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) punkass: i dont know how to do that... but i know you can
[08:54] <punkass> oh ok
[08:54] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) punkass: just look around for IPP sharing
[08:54] <spikeb> is usplash usable yet?
[08:54] <punkass> its like it wants a username password but there is none set
[08:54] <punkass> ok will do
[08:55] <kensai> punkass, ok will do, youre right
[08:55] <ondafly> u need to use your WIN username and password at that prompt
[08:55] <kensai> punkass, only if you have password setup
[08:55] <punkass> hmm ok..even tho other machines dont need to?
[08:55] <ondafly> yes, you are using linux, doesn't do netbios print sharing etc
[08:56] <punkass> other machines = other windows machines
[08:56] <ondafly> well it probably does, but isn't setup to
[08:56] <Ruffian|JANE|> I just added a new HD to Secondary master (I have no CD-ROM)  And i going to edit GRUB, but Ubuntu just loads, no boot menu or anything.  How do I make it so at start it loads the boot menu instead automatically loading Ubuntu
[08:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: hit escape on boot
[08:57] <FTTP> ogra what flag do i use to use cd for rescue?
[08:57] <rsa> how is 'toolame' compared to 'lame' mp3 "encoder" ?
[08:57] <FTTP> ogra:  Just rescue?
[08:58] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) what's this that t says in soures.list about universal not being supported at all in term of bug fixes or securty updates.  Seems unresponcible to not provide a working movie-player, CD burner have people access them from universal and them tell them they are on their own as for security.
[08:58] <xukun> hmm, If the ubuntu live cd does not dedect my wireless network + sound card and if even the only way to shut the system down is power swich,  would be still wise to install warty hoping it will then work?
[08:59] <ondafly> what wireless card are you using ?
[08:59] <xukun> its laptop by the way
[08:59] <ondafly> and what laptop type
[08:59] <Ruffian|JANE|> will it enter the menu, or will I get that GRUB promt?
[08:59] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) dobt it as live cds have better harware detection
[08:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: there is no rescue option....just run the installer and switch to console 2 (alt-f2) before the partitionong process
[08:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) +i
[08:59] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, wont esc just bring me to the GRUB prompt?
[08:59] <FTTP> ogra oh
[08:59] <FTTP> ogra thanks
[08:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: nope, to the menu
[08:59] <Ruffian|JANE|> ok
[08:59] <FTTP> be back
[08:59] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ahh... i cant compile faad
[09:00] <Ruffian|JANE|> Im guessing my second HD is hd1,0 for windows - is the Windows loader located at block one (+1)?
[09:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: why do you compile it ?
[09:00] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: because its not in the repositories
[09:01] (ogra/#ubuntu) faad - Freeware Advanced Audio Decoder player
[09:01] <xukun> ondafly: its 3com wlan which uses the atmel_cs module, and its an dell inspiron 8200
[09:01] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: yea... where do you see that
[09:01] <Ruffian|JANE|> My second HD is Secondary master, so im guessing its hd1,0 in grub, but which block is it on?
[09:02] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: its a multiverse package
[09:02] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: how do i add multiverse?
[09:03] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: did you add universe already ?
[09:03] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: aye
[09:03] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: add it there right behind universe separated with a space
[09:03] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: then refresh .....
[09:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: for movie players you may think it's irresponsible but there are legal problems with supporting them properly, sorry
[09:04] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra:... im sorry, add what
[09:04] <spikeb> add the word multiverse
[09:04] (ogra/#ubuntu) GotD0t: the term multiverse
[09:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra: My second HD is Secondary master, so im guessing its hd1,0 in grub, but which block is it on?
[09:04] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ogra: thanks
[09:05] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, only one partition on that HD, and it is only XP
[09:05] <Ruffian|JANE|> so im guessing something like (hd1,0)+1
[09:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: sounds ok, but i'm no grub geek.......
[09:06] <Ruffian|JANE|> thanks anyway ogra
[09:09] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) Kamion: I meant more for CD burner. I know I can installs plgins but I'm reading I have to install xine but it anin't avaitable unless it's in universal.  Note having a reliable CD burning software is serious, though.  What about backups?
[09:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: we'd rather improve nautilus-cd-burner than ship k3b.
[09:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: we can't support two desktop environments.
[09:10] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) so the CD burner will come
[09:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you've already got one, it's installed
[09:11] (Kamion/#ubuntu) not as good as some would like
[09:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) nautilus won't do audio CDs, for example
[09:11] (Kamion/#ubuntu) backups> there's backuppc
[09:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) or vcd
[09:11] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) I read somewhere that there was not.  MAybe I should have checked.
[09:11] (jdub/#ubuntu) hey hey hey
[09:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) or... well, anything except ISO/UDF
[09:11] (ogra/#ubuntu) hey jdub
[09:12] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: open a nautilus window, click on "places", and choose "CD creator"
[09:12] <calc> isn't n-c-b quite limited in what it can actually do?
[09:12] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) it'll do data CDs
[09:12] <daniels> jdub: word up mofo
[09:12] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) calc: very limited
[09:12] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yeah
[09:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) daniels tststs
[09:12] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) ahh... now i cant compile the xmms error
[09:12] <calc> but making a real gnome cd burner app would be good
[09:12] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) err
[09:12] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) I'm actually installing k3b right now, but I don't expect any support
[09:12] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) xmms plugin
[09:12] (Kamion/#ubuntu) coaster, mxpxpod's working on it
[09:12] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) if it works, great, if not, it goes byebye and I use gcdmaster or something
[09:12] <daniels> ogra: sup
[09:13] <calc> i hope the screenshot of coaster isn't all they plan to implement for features, otherwise it looked barely more than a standalone n-c-b ;)
[09:13] (ogra/#ubuntu) :)
[09:14] <calc> perhaps i am too used to cd burning apps on windoze ;)
[09:15] <enntee> rhythmbox 0.9 release is also coming up, and will do audio cds
[09:15] <calc> of course coaster is still at 0.1.x so it will probably vastly improve over time
[09:15] <enntee> nautilus-cd-burner pretty much just does what it's supposed to
[09:16] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) thnks guys
[09:18] <Gaaruto> someone to help me please ?
[09:18] <Gaaruto> do you know how to resolve this problem please ? "could not open vmg" in mplayer, when i want to lauch a dvd
[09:19] <enntee> Gaaruto: do you have libdvdcss and libdvdnav installed?
[09:19] <FTTP> nope
[09:19] <FTTP> how do i install grub from cd using alt f2 before partioning?
[09:20] <FTTP> i typed grub-install nothing, and i couldnt find the file either in the directories
[09:21] <FTTP> let me try in #debian
[09:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: maybe you should try the expert install...
[09:22] <FTTP> gammaray:  How?
[09:23] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm pretty sure by pressing escape before the install starts you get a menu
[09:23] <rsa> why can't totem movie player play my video files, it wont play mpg, mpeg. can please someone give me a hint ?
[09:23] <Gaaruto> enntee, yes
[09:23] <enntee> rsa: read the faq
[09:23] <enntee> rsa: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats <-- or go here :)
[09:23] <rsa> enntee: ok ;)
[09:23] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1283.html
[09:23] <rsa> enntee: thx ;)
[09:24] <FTTP> gammaray:  Someone on debian said chroot
[09:24] <FTTP> ill see which way works
[09:24] <enntee> Gaaruto: i'm not so familiar with mplayer. any reason to not use totem-xine instead?
[09:24] <enntee> in my experience it seems to work a bunch better
[09:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) enntee: none
[09:24] <enntee> cool. make sure you install totem-xine and not just "totem" or "totem-gstreamer" tho
[09:24] <Gaaruto> enntee, i like mplayez :)
[09:26] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) apt-cache search totem-xine doesn't bring anything up
[09:26] <enntee> Mesphistopheles: enable universe and multiverse i think
[09:26] (trukulo/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles, add marillat sources
[09:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: its in universe
[09:26] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) k
[09:26] <chlunde> Is it possible to disable the SATA module under installation?
[09:27] (nimc/#ubuntu) anyone knows how to get totem-xine to use alsa output for dmix ?
[09:28] <lml> I am trying to figure out how to configure /dev/dsp? devices for my bttv878 cards in the new udev world - anybody who can help?
[09:28] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) I'm getting:Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:28] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) direct rendering: No
[09:28] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu)   from glxinfo | rep "direct rendering"
[09:29] <FTTP> grub-install isnt there on the advanced installer where i can just load the grub installer by itself
[09:29] <FTTP> i guess i have to reinstall from scratch
[09:29] <FTTP> unless someone knows where grub-install is located?
[09:29] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) know I know my way around the XF86Config-4 file somewhat t enable accel but what is this about DRI?
[09:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: with the fglrx package ?
[09:31] (Despair/#ubuntu) woo!
[09:32] (Despair/#ubuntu) ubuntu bugzilla just exploded at me.
[09:32] (Despair/#ubuntu) "Internal Error   Bugzilla has suffered an internal error."
[09:32] <enntee> Does anyone know if ubuntu has hdparm turn on dma by default?
[09:32] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) I just bought this
[09:32] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580505
[09:32] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) :D
[09:32] (nimc/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles, where is the XFree86-DRI missing message? in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?
[09:33] (nimc/#ubuntu) i dont have a DRI missing message, and still glxinfo says it's off :(
[09:33] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu)   from glxinfo | rep "direct rendering"
[09:33] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu)   from glxinfo | gep "direct rendering"
[09:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) (-:
[09:33] (nimc/#ubuntu) i dont get that message in glxinfo either
[09:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: almost there :-P
[09:33] <FTTP> hmmmmm
[09:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: did you follow the wiki ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:33] (nimc/#ubuntu) i just get: direct rendering: No
[09:34] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu)   from glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[09:34] <FTTP> gammaray is grep the tool u use to find files?
[09:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: find is
[09:34] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: grep filters output....
[09:34] <FTTP> oh
[09:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: find path -iname "search"
[09:34] <FTTP> so how would i locate grub-install?
[09:34] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) no I check it and do what my debian experience has taught me then I'll check aain
[09:34] <FTTP> thanks
[09:34] <FTTP> ill try that
[09:34] (nimc/#ubuntu) i couldnt use fglrx though... using radeon driver
[09:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: the driver from the wiki ?
[09:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: it should work with all radeon cards afaik....
[09:35] (mjr/#ubuntu) nimc, by the way, for my 7500, it worked just be reducing the resolution
[09:36] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, i have radeon 7800 and fglrx fails when i get to the step in the wiki where i should do modprobe
[09:36] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, modprobe says device not found iirc
[09:36] (nimc/#ubuntu) mjr, oh.....
[09:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: got the restricted-modules package installed ? like mentioned in the wiki ?
[09:37] (nimc/#ubuntu) mjr, what fps u get in glxgears ? i noticed big increase in 16bit... 520 fps in 16bit and 200 fps in 24bit
[09:37] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, yes
[09:37] <punkass> GotD0t: just reading about IIP... looks like i need IIS installed on the xp machine...ewww
[09:38] (mjr/#ubuntu) nimc, I don't recall, something along the lines of 500-600 on 24 bit
[09:38] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: warty ?
[09:38] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, ati's site claims that the minimum for fglrx is radeon 8500 - the only place that i saw mentioning that it might also work on radeon model that starts with '7' is the ubuntu wiki...
[09:38] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, yes warty
[09:39] (nimc/#ubuntu) mjr, btw i managed to get 800x600 to boot ok... but it didnt have DRI on either :(
[09:39] (mjr/#ubuntu) nimc, well, not sufficiently similar, then. Bummer.
[09:40] (nimc/#ubuntu) mjr, r u on laptop or desktop ?
[09:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) the 7500 is on a laptop
[09:40] (nimc/#ubuntu) ok...
[09:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) and has a measly 16 megs of video ram, hence the resolution limit
[09:41] (nimc/#ubuntu) which laptop is that?
[09:42] (mjr/#ubuntu) some thinkpad, I don't recall, it's at work now
[09:42] (nimc/#ubuntu) ok... im on thinkpad a31p
[09:43] (nimc/#ubuntu) i didnt manage to install tp-scroll for mouse 3rd button scrolling... u tried that?
[09:43] <jcole> Kamion: does jdk 1.5 work with oo?
[09:43] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) and how does this translate over to ppc?  "sudo apt-get install linux-686 if you haven't already."
[09:43] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, do u think that its possible that modprobe will work if i install the i686 restricted modules instead of i386 ?
[09:44] (mjr/#ubuntu) nimc, didn't try it
[09:44] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: probably, have you looked at: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[09:45] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: no ati stuff.... but some other hints....
[09:45] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, probably that it is possible, or probably that it will work ? :)
[09:45] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu)  apt-cache search linux-powerpc brings up linux-powerpc - Complete Linux kernel on PowerPC. and since uname -r brings up 2.6.8.1-3-powerpc
[09:45] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu)  ets hope
[09:46] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: probably it will work....have no thinkpad here to test it :) but the 686 kernel will surely do no harm
[09:46] <FTTP> oh well
[09:46] <FTTP> ferget it ill just wait for the next ubuntu
[09:47] <FTTP> there is no way to install grub without reinstalling :(
[09:47] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: install the linux-686 package, it will pull in all other packages needed
[09:47] <ploggin> hi
[09:47] <ploggin> need some help, got a problem installing my graphic card
[09:47] <ploggin> i installed the drivers
[09:47] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, ok i'll try now... i see 3 restricted modules i386 packages i have installed in synaptic, two of them are 50k, and one 6meg - to uninstall all 3 and install the i686 ones ?
[09:47] <ploggin> but now i get some dependency problems with xlibmesa
[09:48] <ploggin> and i can't fix those problema
[09:48] <ploggin> what can i do?
[09:48] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) there are no fglrx binaries in the repositary
[09:48] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) mac repositary
[09:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: just linux-686
[09:48] <FTTP> ubuntu needs ALOT of work
[09:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: it will care for the rest....
[09:48] (GotD0t/#ubuntu) anybody have experience with the AAC plugin for XMMS?
[09:48] <enntee> FTTP: of course it does. it's less than a year old
[09:48] (trukulo/#ubuntu) FTTP, every software needs it
[09:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: leave the 386 stuff as it is for fallback.....
[09:48] <enntee> FTTP: as far as first releases goes, though, it's pretty good
[09:48] <jcole> Kamion: i get "Non-1.4 Jdks need extra jar files"
[09:49] <FTTP> enntee yeah it is.........
[09:49] <FTTP> enntee:  You know how i can install grub without reinstalling?
[09:49] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, hmm which one ? the big one or 50k ?
[09:49] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) since I got accel up and running on debian through other means 'cause it was built into the kernel already I try to go at it the same way
[09:49] <ploggin> can anyone help me?
[09:49] <FTTP> enntee:  I tried everything
[09:49] <FTTP> enntee:  I tried using find path blah blah
[09:49] <FTTP> nothing
[09:49] (nimc/#ubuntu) restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-3-686 ?
[09:49] <enntee> FTTP: what happens when you run grub-install?
[09:49] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: as it is now.....dont touch the current kernel (386)
[09:49] <FTTP> enntee:  Where do i run it from?
[09:49] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: just linux-686
[09:49] (fissy/#ubuntu) hi, i've set up sshd on one ubuntu computer, and i'm trying to use the nautilus sftp client on another ubuntu install to connect and download files... unfortunately nautilus won't connect. I think the reason is that the server takes too long to respond so nautilus times out. what can i do apart from use the command line, which i'd rather not do as i'm trying to show someone what a brilliant gui linux actually has :)
[09:49] <FTTP> enntee:  which directory is it in?
[09:49] <enntee> right click on your desktop
[09:49] (nimc/#ubuntu) or restricted-modules-2.6-868 ?
[09:49] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: just linux-686
[09:50] <FTTP> enntee:  No i mean
[09:50] <FTTP> enntee:  Im not in linux
[09:50] (nimc/#ubuntu) oh
[09:50] <FTTP> enntee  i cant get in cause i have no grub
[09:50] <enntee> FTTP: i think it's in /usr/sbin
[09:50] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: it depends on the other ones :)
[09:50] <FTTP> enntee thanks ill check there
[09:50] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: pulls in the right one
[09:50] <FTTP> i didnt see it tho
[09:50] <enntee> or possibly sbin
[09:50] <enntee> hold on
[09:50] <FTTP> enntee on the boot cd tho
[09:50] <enntee> it's in /sbin on debian
[09:50] <FTTP> is it in usr/sbin  also?
[09:51] <lml> I am missing my /dev/dsp1 and /dev/dsp2 devices for my two tvcards, how do I configure these with udev?
[09:51] <enntee> try both.
[09:51] <FTTP> enntee right but on the boot cd?
[09:51] <enntee> no idea.
[09:51] <FTTP> see i dont think it is
[09:51] <FTTP> not there
[09:51] <enntee> it may not be.
[09:51] <FTTP> im not sure ill check
[09:51] <enntee> at the boot prompt you may be able to use the cd to boot your linux system
[09:51] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, ok installing linux-686 now.... without uninstalling that means i'll select at boot at grub between 386 and 686 ?
[09:51] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: mount your ubuntu partition....its in there in sbin
[09:52] <enntee> ie, "linux root=/dev/hda1" or whatever your linux partition is
[09:52] <FTTP> ogra ok
[09:52] <FTTP> but i cant mount from boot cd :(
[09:52] <FTTP> i tried mount
[09:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: it will default to 686 ... if it doesnt work you will be able to select 386 ......
[09:52] <FTTP> enntee:  ill try that
[09:52] <FTTP> linux root=/dev/hdb1
[09:52] <FTTP> is mine
[09:53] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: safety net ;)
[09:53] <FTTP> brb
[09:53] (nimc/#ubuntu) ogra, ok thanks... i'll try it and fglrx... is there a chance that i686 will get DRI to work with the radeon driver too for some reason?
[09:54] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: probably...as youve seen, there are people with 7xxx radeon working...but i cant promise anything :)
[09:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) hmm, FTTP  was to fast....
[09:55] <aaroncuk> hi guys can anyone help me setup me video card on ubuntu?
[09:55] (nimc/#ubuntu) ok
[09:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: what model is it ?
[09:55] <ploggin> need some help, got a problem installing my graphic card
[09:55] (nimc/#ubuntu) mjr, do u remember if u used i686 or i386 ?
[09:55] <ploggin> i installed the drivers
[09:55] <ploggin> but now i get some dependency problems with xlibmesa
[09:55] <ploggin> and i can't fix those problema
[09:55] <ploggin> what can i do?
[09:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: what model is it ?
[09:55] <aaroncuk> Embedded ProSavage8 3D
[09:55] <ploggin> ati radeon 9600 pro
[09:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:56] <aaroncuk> it works, but it looks rubbish lol.. like its in 256 colour
[09:56] (fissy/#ubuntu) no-one know anything about my sftp problem?
[09:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: resolutio ok ?
[09:57] <ploggin> ogra: the thing is i get dependency problems, shall i first remove everything i've installed from the card and restart again?
[09:57] <aaroncuk> yeah 1280 by 1024
[09:57] (ogra/#ubuntu) fissy: can you ssh to the box ?
[09:57] <FTTP> nope
[09:57] (fissy/#ubuntu) ogra, yes
[09:57] (fissy/#ubuntu) and sftp
[09:57] <FTTP> brings be to the regular installer
[09:57] (fissy/#ubuntu) using the CLI
[09:57] <farruinn> aaroncuk have you tried giving the card more memory from the bios?
[09:57] (nimc/#ubuntu) rebooting, brb
[09:57] <FTTP> and i tried to mount it, cant either
[09:57] <FTTP> says its not found in etc/fstab
[09:57] <francois> hello all
[09:57] (fissy/#ubuntu) but it takes 30 seconds plus to give me a password prompt, which i guess is the problem ogra
[09:57] (fissy/#ubuntu) hello francois
[09:57] <aaroncuk> no i will do that now
[09:57] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: and form console2 mount /dev/whatever
[09:57] <FTTP> i also tried to open a new window with alt-ft
[09:58] <FTTP> err f2
[09:58] <farruinn> that worked for me on an intel graphics controller...
[09:58] <ploggin> ogra: the thing is i get dependency problems, shall i first remove everything i've installed from the card and restart again?
[09:58] <FTTP> ill try it once more
[09:58] <FTTP> i dont think it will work
[09:58] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: from the card ??
[09:58] <francois> I got a problem with gnome-settings-daemon
[09:58] <francois> it refuses to start
[09:58] <francois> and says "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 647: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!"
[09:58] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: you can do it....
[09:59] <ploggin> i mean
[09:59] <ploggin> i installed the drivers, but after that i started getting some dependency problems
[09:59] <FTTP> ogra so use the alt-f2 before partitioning right?
[09:59] <FTTP> then type mount /dev/hdb1
[09:59] <ploggin> shall i remove the drivers and restart or just leave it and follo the steps on the wiki=
[09:59] <ploggin> ?
[09:59] <FTTP> then grub install from /sbin
[09:59] <FTTP> ill try once more :)
[09:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: yep, and then mount your ubuntu partition...run grub-install from there then....
[10:00] <aaroncuk> hmm cant find anywhere to give it more memory
[10:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: what kind of dependency probs ?
[10:00] <ploggin> some related to xlibmesa
[10:00] <francois> nobody knows what can cause "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/i386/dl-machine.h: 647: elf_machine_rel_relative: Assertion
[10:00] <francois>                   `((reloc->r_info) & 0xff) == 8' failed!"
[10:00] <francois> ?
[10:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: what exactly did they say ?
[10:00] <aaroncuk> got it. its at 32mb
[10:01] <farruinn> eh, that's what it was at or you put it at that?
[10:01] <ploggin> broken tube (pipe), is that possible?
[10:01] <farruinn> because that should be plenty...
[10:01] <ploggin> ogra: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa-gl_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu25.1_i386.deb
[10:01] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: could you post the complete output to #flood ?
[10:02] <ploggin> ok
[10:02] <ploggin> i will
[10:02] <jcole> Kamion: i hacked rules and it appears to be working - 'cat debian/rules | sed s/"1.4"/"1.5"/g > debian/rules'
[10:03] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: you are on ix86 on warty ?
[10:04] <ermo> what's the status on this bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1869
[10:04] <FTTP> nope
[10:04] <aaroncuk> just booting back into ubuntu now
[10:04] <ermo> as in, is there a fix?
[10:04] <ploggin> ogra: yes
[10:04] <FTTP> mount not found in etc fstab
[10:04] <FTTP> or something like that
[10:04] <farruinn> aaroncuk, maybe check out http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/savage.4.html
[10:04] <aaroncuk> it was at 32mb btw farruinn
[10:04] <nimc> ogra, no luck, i rebooted with i686 and on sudo modprobe fglrx i got: FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko): No such device
[10:04] <FTTP> i tried mount /dev/hdb1 in the window
[10:04] <FTTP> wont work :(
[10:04] <chlunde> Uhm, I don't think the installer ever prompted me for a root password.
[10:04] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: with a target  dir ?
[10:05] <FTTP> ogra what do u mean?
[10:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: man mount
[10:05] <farruinn> chlunde, read the wiki
[10:05] <FTTP> ogra:  It says its not found in /etc/fstab
[10:05] <farruinn> you didn't read everything when you installed
[10:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: man mount
[10:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: please :)
[10:05] <FTTP> so even with a target mnt it wont work
[10:05] <FTTP> and i cant modify etc/fstab on a cdrom
[10:05] <nimc> mjr, did u try fglrx with your radeon 7500 ?
[10:05] <FTTP> it doesnt matter, i cant modify a file on a cdrom
[10:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: i did it several times...
[10:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: mounting.... i mean
[10:06] <FTTP> ogra:  On mine it says not found in etc/fstab
[10:06] <FTTP> ill try it one more time, last time, ill stick with window for awhile :P
[10:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) chlunde: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: please read man mount
[10:07] <nimc> ogra, could it work on boot even though it didnt work now ? (i already rebooted with i686)
[10:07] <FTTP> ogra will try 1 last time and ill read the man :P
[10:07] <FTTP> ogra oh wait
[10:07] <FTTP> you cant man from the cd!
[10:07] <FTTP> thats another thing
[10:07] <FTTP> i tried man'ing a few commands, man on the cd wont work :P
[10:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: try it: lsmod|grep fglrx
[10:08] <FTTP> i mean from the cd
[10:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: so try: mount --help
[10:08] <FTTP> <gonna see if this works>
[10:08] <FTTP> ogra ill see
[10:08] <FTTP> ogra i dont think its there on the cd
[10:08] <FTTP> cause its not an installed system
[10:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: mount is on the cd
[10:08] <nimc> ogra, it returns nothing
[10:08] <farruinn> FTTP, www.tldp.org is a good resource
[10:09] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: so it looks like it wont work.... :(
[10:09] <FTTP> ogra mount is there, but..... ill see
[10:09] <FTTP> one last time :P
[10:09] <FTTP> here goes nothing
[10:09] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP:  mount --help is hadrcoded
[10:09] (ogra/#ubuntu) grmf
[10:09] <chlunde> ogra: Yeah, I suspected that.  Well, I didn't make any user accounts, but it wasn't a problem, I could boot in single user mode.
[10:09] <chlunde> ogra: (I'm going to use NIS)
[10:09] (ogra/#ubuntu) chlunde: aha...
[10:10] <Ruffian|JANE|> Anyone who knows GRUB real well pleeeease help me!
[10:10] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) just tell us what the problem is :)
[10:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: didnt work ?
[10:11] <nimc> ogra, anything else i could try ? for getting DRI with radeon driver ? or getting fglrx driver to work somehow ?
[10:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> root		(hd0,0)
[10:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> kernel		/boot/memtest86+.bin
[10:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> title		Windows XP
[10:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> unhide		(hd1,0)
[10:11] <Ruffian|JANE|> hide		(hd1,1)
[10:12] <Ruffian|JANE|> hide		(hd1,2)
[10:12] <Ruffian|JANE|> rootnoverify		(hd1,0)
[10:12] <Ruffian|JANE|> chainloader		+1
[10:12] <Ruffian|JANE|> makeactive	
[10:12] <ermo> Which MTA is standard in ubuntu? I mean, debian has exim4, but my aptitude says that ubuntu-base depends on postfix?!?
[10:12] <Rotifer> figured id ask does ubuntu have a grub recovery tool on the cd
[10:12] <Rotifer> i ghosted the drive to a bigger one now it wont boot
[10:13] (fissy/#ubuntu) ogra, did i mention that if i do sftp localhost on the server computer, i get a password prompt instantly?
[10:13] (fissy/#ubuntu) ogra, there is nothingin the system log and no firewall running
[10:14] <X-Poz> has anyone got their cds yet
[10:14] (ogra/#ubuntu) minc: look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if there is a line: Load "dri" and Load "glx and Load "GLcore" ....
[10:15] <nimc> ogra, yes they're there
[10:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: without # in the beginning ?
[10:15] <nimc> ogra, along with 12 other modules that the default ubuntu file is loading... yes without #
[10:15] <xcasex> has the sed issue been resolved?
[10:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: thats all ?
[10:16] <ploggin> ogra: any ides of how to solve my problem?
[10:16] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra,what do you mean?
[10:16] <ploggin> idea*
[10:16] <FTTP> nope dont work
[10:16] <FTTP> cant mount
[10:16] <FTTP> i tried that --help, it just lists some flags which i tried
[10:16] <FTTP> i tried mount /dev/hdb1 /directory
[10:16] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: is your system up to date ?
[10:16] <FTTP> nada
[10:16] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: looks like its not....
[10:17] <FTTP> im sticking to windows
[10:17] (fissy/#ubuntu) pleeeeeeeeeease help someone!
[10:17] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: get it updated before installing the driver
[10:17] <farruinn> FTTP, if you have a floppy drive you might want to try the debian boot floppies
[10:17] <Scognito> re
[10:17] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) Calm down, it's *only* ones and zeroes.
[10:18] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) (from fortunes :p)
[10:18] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: thats all thats in your menu.lst ? (ps. please dont post in here, use #flood)
[10:18] <FTTP> farruinn:  no floppy
[10:18] <FTTP> farruinn:  I just need to reinstall grub
[10:18] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, i am in #grubflood
[10:19] <Scognito> does someone uses xchat+mozilla firefox? it doesn't work (open in newtab,open in existing...)
[10:19] <FTTP> Mount a local disk:
[10:19] <FTTP> mount /dev/usr /usr
[10:19] <FTTP> i did that
[10:19] <FTTP> the same syntax
[10:19] (ogra/#ubuntu) Scognito: works for me on warty
[10:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) /dev/user
[10:19] <FTTP> gammaray i mean /dev/hdb1
[10:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) yea.. I have a bit enter key
[10:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) big
[10:19] <nimc> ogra, no other ideas about my radeon ?
[10:19] <FTTP> i typed mount /dev/hdb1 /everything i could
[10:20] <Scognito> ogra, i tought you use hoary
[10:20] <Scognito> :)
[10:20] <ploggin> ogra: when i update it i get some trouble with that error
[10:20] <Scognito> btw which version of firefox do you use?
[10:20] <FTTP> thats the right syntax right?
[10:20] <ploggin> ogra: you mean apt-get dist-upgrade, dont you?
[10:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:20] <FTTP> gammaray to mount i just type mount /dev/hdb1 /directory name right?
[10:20] <ploggin> ogra: i get that same error :S
[10:21] (ogra/#ubuntu) Scognito: the warty release on warty...the hoary rel. on hoary
[10:21] <ploggin> and i have been updating it regularlly
[10:21] <farruinn> FTTP, the directory that you're mounting to exists, right?
[10:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: you also need the file system type
[10:21] <Scognito> :)
[10:21] <FTTP> farruinn i tried every directory on the system :P
[10:21] <FTTP> farruinn yep
[10:21] <FTTP> i tried directories that were there already
[10:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: well what error are you getting?
[10:21] <FTTP> i fergot
[10:21] <FTTP> im not going back into it
[10:22] <FTTP> :P
[10:22] <ploggin> ogra: take a look at #flood
[10:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) what fs do you use?
[10:22] <FTTP> something like invalid directory or soemthing
[10:22] <Rotifer> he mentioned grub is their a quick way to recover it all my ssytem does now on boot is roll screen and screen of the word grub
[10:22] <FTTP> gammaray its regular linux ext3
[10:22] <FTTP> shouldnt have to select for linux partition
[10:23] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: uninstall the driver temporary....
[10:23] <X-Poz> has anyone got their cds yet
[10:24] (ogra/#ubuntu) X-Poz: some on the ML
[10:25] <ktulur> hello, vulnerabilities like the last samba one for example are covered in warty or do i have to fix it myshelf?
[10:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) ktulur: warty-security
[10:25] <ploggin> ogra: what command shall i use?
[10:25] <FTTP> i give up trying to reinstall the mount
[10:25] <ktulur> warty-security?
[10:25] <FTTP> ogra:  I tried it with a directory, like i did before, still didnt work
[10:25] <ktulur> a specific line in sources.list?
[10:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: remove it with synaptic....then do the update, then reinstall it
[10:26] <FTTP> ogra:  seems like u cant mount from the main cd
[10:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) ktulur: yep.... its there by default....
[10:26] <FTTP> ogra:  the syntax was correct that i was using
[10:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: i fif it often
[10:26] <ktulur> ok i'll check it, thanks
[10:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) did
[10:26] <punkass> ktulur: warty-security shoould be there by de.....
[10:26] <FTTP> ogra:  Then what exactly do i type?
[10:26] <punkass> ogra: beat me to it
[10:26] <ploggin> ogra: when i try to remove package xlibmesa, i am told that removing that package is going to cause the removal of many packages
[10:26] <ploggin> is that safe?
[10:26] <FTTP> ogra:  I typed mount /dev/hdb1 /every directory on the system
[10:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) punkass: lol
[10:26] <FTTP> ogra which directory did i miss?
[10:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: what was the error ?
[10:27] <FTTP> ogra:  invalid directory
[10:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: not mesa
[10:27] <FTTP> ogra:  Or something like that
[10:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: remove the driver package
[10:27] <wfx> hello
[10:27] <FTTP> i tried dozens of em
[10:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: then do the update
[10:27] <FTTP> i took valid directories and even made up some
[10:28] <FTTP> should be able to mount to any directory i thought?
[10:28] <Ruffian|JANE|> Brianetta and Ogra
[10:28] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: then install the driver again
[10:28] <Ruffian|JANE|> check #grubflood
[10:28] <FTTP> i give up :P
[10:28] <rinnan> hello.  Quick question -- how does Gentoo compare to Ubuntu -- other than you don't compile Ubuntu of course
[10:28] <Sandman> What version of X does Ubuntu include?
[10:28] <ploggin> ok
[10:28] <FTTP> ogra did u use the livecd ?
[10:28] <FTTP> maybe the regular cd wont do it
[10:28] <FTTP> ?
[10:29] <FTTP> oh doh
[10:29] <FTTP> im sooooooooooo stupid
[10:29] <FTTP> i can burn the livecd
[10:29] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) guys is BusID           "PCI:00:16:0" corerct or "PCI:0:16:0" with one "0" after the PCI:  ?
[10:29] <ploggin> ogra: driver package? it should be named the same way as the file i downloaded, is that true
[10:29] <FTTP> and livecd should have grub installer right?
[10:29] <farruinn> sandman, 4.3 I think
[10:29] <aaroncuk> i have a 160bg drive but can only see 137gb do i need to flash me bios.. i thought that was just a windows problem
[10:29] <Sandman> farruinn: Not X.org?
[10:29] <farruinn> I think that will be included in hoary
[10:30] <fabbione> X.org is in hoary already - see topic
[10:30] (geppy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk:  That's not a problem.
[10:30] <rainydaymusic1> anyone here know imp & horde really well?
[10:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: you downloaded ???
[10:30] <FTTP> one where u can restore the bootloader
[10:30] (geppy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk:  That's the difference between the hardware definition of a gigabyte, and the software definition of a gigabyte.
[10:31] <aaroncuk> 23gb difference
[10:31] (geppy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk:  Aye.
[10:31] <FTTP> with windows u get into recovery console to fixmbr
[10:31] <aaroncuk> hmm didnt know that it was that much
[10:31] <FTTP> with linux, nada
[10:31] <farruinn> well, you figure that kilobyte is 1024 bytes, mb = 1024 Kb, gb = 1024 gb...
[10:32] <xukun> anyone get nx working on ubuntu?
[10:32] <paul__> holy chow... I've got a hideous problem here... I can't seem to get any X action here... has anyone had experience with a message like "There already appears to be an X server running on display :0. Should I try another display number?"
[10:32] <ploggin> ogra: yes i did, from the ATI website
[10:32] <farruinn> that should be gb = 1024 mb
[10:32] <ploggin> ogra: something wrong?
[10:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: yep....
[10:32] (wasabi/#ubuntu) Is there a 'cp' command that shows speed?
[10:32] <neighborlee> anyone else having problems with k3b ( can'tfind my burner device when trying tocopy cd for example) ?...
[10:32] <paul__> neighborlee: are you running k3b in root?
[10:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: remove it and follow the wiki: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:32] (geppy/#ubuntu) neighborlee:  Yeah, it wouldn't work for a friend of mine, I haven't tried it.
[10:32] <wfx> xukun, what is nx
[10:33] <paul__> wfx: a program which compresses the X protocol for speedy remote X sessions... it's rockin'
[10:33] <neighborlee> nm i'm getting nothing from cdrecord -scanbus ;(
[10:33] <neighborlee> damn
[10:33] <paul__> neighborlee: that's curious
[10:33] <neighborlee> must be missing a needed module..lemme see
[10:33] <wfx> paul__, so it is a better vnc. yes?
[10:34] <neighborlee> or its this 2.6 kernel thing
[10:34] <ploggin> ok
[10:34] <paul__> wfx: in effect, yes
[10:34] <ploggin> thanks ;)
[10:34] <nartez> hello, i'm having trouble setting up my onboard ethernet... at boottime it takes like 1 minute to finish 'Configuring network interfaces'
[10:34] (geppy/#ubuntu) nartez:  Is it working?  If it's not set up, it's going to take a while before it gives uip.
[10:34] <neighborlee> k guys anyone know what module is needed to burn in ubutnu ? ;(
[10:35] (geppy/#ubuntu) Have you tried running 'ifdown eth0' and 'ifup eth0' from a console?
[10:35] <wfx> ogra, i shutdown the bot.
[10:35] <paul__> so, folks, hozzaboutit... anybody had any problems with GDM not starting properly? all I get is the X-shaped moise pointer, and then a message that 'there appears to already be an X server running on display :0', at which point I'm asked if I want to try opening up a new X server on :1
[10:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) wfx: seen it, its ok....
[10:35] <paul__> neighborlee: afaik, nautilus-cd-burner is installed as part of the base Ubuntu system
[10:35] <goonie> I seriously need help with wireless and ndiswrapper. anyone here feel like walking me through it?+
[10:35] <xukun> paul__: only if it would work
[10:36] <paul__> xukun: if what would work? I'm lost in the multiple convos here :)
[10:36] <neighborlee> paul__, how do I copy with it though
[10:36] <aaroncuk>  sorry to be a pest again.. but whats the move command in the terminal
[10:37] <paul__> neighborlee: as in, from one disc to another? or mastering your own CD?
[10:37] <paul__> aaroncuk: you mean 'mv'?
[10:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[10:37] <nartez> geppy, yes, ifdown takes ages...
[10:37] <aaroncuk> yeah how do u do it
[10:37] <aaroncuk> lol
[10:37] <paul__> aaroncuk: mv source destination
[10:37] <goonie> thx ogra
[10:37] <neighborlee> paul__, well I only  have ( atm) one CD..so i'd need to copy/paste or copy to HD then burn from there
[10:38] <xukun> paul__: nx does not work, if you are using the linux version or even windows client, all you get is then a dark screen without any icons. It will only work if the client is also ubuntu system
[10:38] <paul__> neighborlee: ah, I getcha. Is it a CD that needs to be copied verbatim, or can you copy the individual files?
[10:38] <xukun> paul__: nx does not work, if you are using other linux version or even windows client, all you get is then a dark screen without any icons. It will only work if the client is also ubuntu system
[10:38] <nartez> geppy, sorry ifup takes forever
[10:39] <neighborlee> paul__, im trying tocopy now.we'll see what happens
[10:39] <paul__> xukun: seriously? that's really weird... back when I used Gentoo, I was using FreeNX from a Windows computer.
[10:39] <neighborlee> paul__, I just opened a new windows..copied and dragged to burn window..we'll see if it works ;-)
[10:39] <nartez> i eventually get No DHCPOFFERS received
[10:39] <xukun> paul__: did you tried lately using other os?
[10:40] <neighborlee> paul__, crud..it wont let cd eject so I can pop in a blank CD LOL ;(
[10:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: ignore the linux-kernel advice.... this howto is older than the release, your kernel is up to date
[10:40] <xukun> paul__: I thought it was some kind of fonts related but I still cant figure it out!
[10:40] <farruinn> neighborlee, do you already have a cd in the drive?
[10:41] <paul__> neighborlee: heh heh, guess you'll have to copy the files onto your HD first... I seem to recall that files dragged into the burn:/// window are only symlinked, not copied.
[10:41] <paul__> xukun: no, I've only tried the Windows client to connect to my Gentoo server
[10:41] <neighborlee> paul__, ah
[10:41] <kensai> which is the port of pop.gmail.com?
[10:41] <neighborlee> farruinn, yes
[10:41] <paul__> kensai: it's not 110?
[10:41] <farruinn> eject /dev/cdrom
[10:42] <farruinn> you can't just hit the button like in windows
[10:42] <neighborlee> farruinn, K i selected write CD and its allowing me to burn to HD ( blah.iso) first..this should work I think
[10:42] <kensai> paul__, nope
[10:42] <neighborlee> farruinn, didn't know there was write to HD option :(
[10:42] <nartez> can some help me setup my networking
[10:42] <neighborlee> farruinn, any idea why cdrecord -scanbus isn't showing valid device to burn with (which is why k3b wasn't working)
[10:43] <paul__> kensai: you're right; it's not letting me in either
[10:43] <farruinn> heh, you've got me
[10:43] <kensai> paul__, is 925 or 995
[10:43] <kensai> paul__, but it isn't working
[10:43] (ogra/#ubuntu) neighborlee: usb burner ?
[10:44] <paul__> kensai: 'telnet pop.gmail.com 995' works for me; brings up a POP3 session
[10:44] <paul__> kensai: that looks like the port, as far as I can see
[10:44] <paul__> okay, folks, I have to reboot my computer; something's screwy with X sessions.
[10:44] <paul__> adios!
[10:45] <goonie> ogra: what is "wireless_keymode" ?
[10:45] <ploggin> hi, anyone knows any wikipage on how to configure a wifi network?
[10:45] <ploggin> i mean, to configure internet through wifi
[10:46] <GotD0t> neighborlee: did you run cdrecord -scanbus as root?
[10:46] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: WEP ?
[10:46] <farruinn> goonie, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[10:47] <farruinn> sorry, that was for ploggin
[10:47] <goonie> ogra: thx
[10:47] <neighborlee> GotD0t, yeah
[10:47] <ploggin> i can't see a real tutorial in there
[10:47] <ploggin> i had already looked there
[10:47] <GotD0t> neighborlee: what happens when you run it
[10:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: regard the resolvconf advise
[10:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) advice
[10:48] <neighborlee> GotD0t, I got things working nautilus though..weird though about cdrecord -scanbus..oh well main thing is its working
[10:48] <neighborlee> GotD0t, not sure why k3b wasn't working though
[10:48] <skeff> I don't have sound on the Ubuntu Live CD!
[10:49] <farruinn> neighborlee, are you burning your iso to disc now?
[10:49] <GotD0t> neighborlee: just outta curiousity... what happens when you run sudo cdrecord --scanbus
[10:49] <goonie> ogra: not finding any info on www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto ...
[10:50] <skeff> Wow..FireFox is so much faster here on this Live CD at least than it was compiled for my Gentoo system, what gives?
[10:51] <GotD0t> skeff: that doesnt sound right
[10:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie WifiHowto ?
[10:52] <georgia> in case anyone is wondering i got my hfsplus partition mounted, i'm not sure what i did to have it mount read write, but it's read write now
[10:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: does it exist ?
[10:52] <georgia> if i figure out what i did right, i'll post to the mailing list, and possily see about adding a solution to the wiki or something
[10:53] <skeff> GotD0t, I am positive. But maybe there was a problem with my gentoo system. Anything from the kernel, GTK+ or so on could cause it I guess
[10:53] <goonie> ogra: sorry I thought you gave me that url but it was farruinn
[10:54] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: he gave it ploggin ... was a typo....
[10:54] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) why does mplayer default to going through also and it locks, but under -ao esd it works?  how do I change?
[10:54] <goonie> so I have to install this resolvconf package?
[10:55] (Mesphistopheles/#ubuntu) time to test my hacking ability to enable Acell in this imac with r128
[10:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) ironwolf: kill esd and live without other sound....
[10:55] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) ogra: is there another way? *living without other sound isn't great.*
[10:56] <fabbione> ironwolf: edit ~/.mplayer/config
[10:56] <fabbione> and stick:
[10:56] <fabbione> # Write your default config options here!
[10:56] <fabbione> ao = esd
[10:56] <fabbione> vo = xv
[10:56] <fabbione> that will be the default...
[10:56] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  Did you compile mplayer yourself?
[10:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) ironwolf: see the great fbbioone
[10:56] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) thanks fabbione.
[10:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) +a
[10:56] <goonie> ogra: so I have to install this resolvconf package?
[10:56] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) geppy: nope, got it from the archive.
[10:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: will cate for the dns setup....
[10:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) care
[10:57] <goonie> k
[10:57] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  It'd probably work better for you if you compiled it yourself.  If you'd like, I have a shell script that downloads/installs all necessary components.
[10:57] <ploggin> hi
[10:57] <ploggin> need help one last time
[10:57] <ploggin> i want to install linux686 package
[10:57] <mikaelfreeman> hello
[10:58] <ploggin> shall i install linux686 or linux686-smp ?
[10:58] <mikaelfreeman> are there any bridge game for ubuntu?
[10:58] (geppy/#ubuntu) ploggin:  What kind of processor, and how many, do you have?
[10:58] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) geppy: I'm acting like a user, for help in testing for a normal desktop user.  I'll compile it later. :)  Thanks though.
[10:58] <ploggin> P$ 3 GHZ
[10:59] <ploggin> Pentium 4 i mean
[10:59] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  Makes sense.  No problem.  =)
[10:59] <ploggin> just 1 processor, hyperthreading
[10:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: only linux-686
[10:59] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  Who are you helping to test it?  I'd be more than interested.
[10:59] <ploggin> k
[10:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin:  hyperthreading = linux-686-smp
[10:59] <ploggin> thanks ;)
[10:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin:  hyperthreading = linux-686-smp
[10:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) !!
[10:59] <ploggin> ok
[10:59] <ploggin> what is smp for?
[11:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) you will see the difference  :=
[11:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) :)
[11:00] <ploggin> ok
[11:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) symmetrical multi processing
[11:00] (geppy/#ubuntu) haha
[11:00] <ploggin> so, -smp, ok?
[11:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) yep....uses your HT capabilitys
[11:00] <ploggin> ok ;)
[11:00] <ploggin> thx
[11:02] <Mesphistopheles> hey I got Acell running
[11:03] <paul_> has anyone had problems with Ubuntu trying to open multiple X servers and not displaying GDM on a single bloody one of them?
[11:03] <paul_> I'm absolutely stumped... I tried searching ubuntuforums.org, but for some reason the search doesn't work in lynx :)
[11:03] <paul_> this is an (almost) fresh install
[11:04] <Mesphistopheles> Driver "ati" in XF86Config-4 seems to have been enough, I've done "Driver  r128" in debian.
[11:04] <paul_> pleeeeeeeze... I don't beg often, but I'm making an exception here :-S
[11:05] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: did X run before ?
[11:05] <goonie> what is the latest ubuntu release?
[11:05] <enntee> goonie: warty warthog
[11:06] <enntee> or 4.10
[11:06] <enntee> i think.
[11:06] <goonie> so what is this Hoary I keep seing mentioned?
[11:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: unstable branch
[11:06] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
[11:07] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) his guys
[11:07] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) hi*
[11:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) whose
[11:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) hehe
[11:07] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) D:
[11:07] <seek187> goonie, hoary is unstable but you can use it if you want to
[11:07] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: but keep in mind that its unstable ;)
[11:09] <enntee> Does anyone know if IDE drives are set to use dma by default in ubuntu?
[11:09] <paul_> whoa, forgot about this chat room... did anyone answer my question while I was gone?
[11:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) <ogra> paul_: did X run before ?
[11:10] <paul_> ogra: yep, worked fine as soon as I installed it.
[11:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) enntee: yes....for my systems
[11:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: what did you change ?
[11:11] <paul_> ogra: then I installed Firefox 1.0, Screem, ummm... courier-imapd...
[11:11] <paul_> ogra: let's see... Firefox may have installed a few dependencies, I dunno
[11:11] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: firefox 1.0 ?
[11:11] <enntee> ogra: thanks
[11:11] <paul_> ogra: that's right, from the hoary repository
[11:11] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: but you didnt mix any repositorys ?
[11:11] (ogra/#ubuntu) argh
[11:12] <paul_> ogra: in the sense of adding non-Ubuntu repositories?
[11:12] <lml> Anyone with two bt878 where audio is working?
[11:12] <paul_> lml: I don't even have money for one bt878! :)
[11:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: either do a full upgrade, or revert the packages.....
[11:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: dont mix....
[11:13] <paul_> ogra: kay
[11:13] <paul_> ogra: worked fine before...
[11:13] <paul_> ogra: any simple way of reverting packages?
[11:13] <lml> paul_: they are the cheap way out - at least compared to PVR-x50
[11:13] <paul_> lml: :) I guess so... that's what you watch that 'TV' thing with, right?
[11:14] <paul_> lml: I've heard of 'TV', but haven't seen it myself ^_^
[11:14] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: there is xorg in hoary and xfree in warty if you anywhere mixed up anything with single packages you installed it could break.....
[11:14] <paul_> ogra: could be... I wonder if that's true. Is there a quick way of reverting to the packages from an older repository?
[11:14] <paul_> ogra: (I'm new to Debian)
[11:15] <lml> paul_: I had one working before the change to udev, but since then audio via the pci bus has not worked. So I can watch it, but not listen ;-)
[11:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: in synaptic there is an option for it in the package deatils for each package....first revert th repos and refresh
[11:15] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) geppy: ubuntu wants to be a desktop replacement.... as such, I'm testing like I'm a normal user.
[11:15] <paul_> lml: that's kinda sucky... actually, someone has been having the exact same problems in this forum last week... I wonder how (if?) they rectified them...
[11:16] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  Understood; I'm just curious as to who built the multimedia packages that you're testing.
[11:16] <paul_> ogra: funky... but... I can't get X started, so I'm relegated to aptitude
[11:16] <wfx> is there any diff list between warty and hoary
[11:16] <paul_> wfx: warty uses xfree86, hoary uses X.org
[11:16] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: i have zero experience with aptitude.....never used it....
[11:17] <wfx> :)
[11:17] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) geppy: lamont and seb128 I think.  In multiverse
[11:17] <lml> paul_: maybe it was me. Have had the problem without finding a solution for some time now.
[11:17] <paul_> wfx: firefox is at 1.0... few other differences
[11:17] <paul_> lml: probably was you :)
[11:17] <paul_> ogra: thanks; I'll poke around in aptitude and see what I can find.
[11:17] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  Are there codecs in multiverse, as well?
[11:17] <goonie> this ndiswrapper thing is killing me.. now I've followed the instructions on ubuntulinux.org and yes the wlan0 gets an IP from dhcp and everything looks right in ifconfig but I can't even ping google.com
[11:17] (ogra/#ubuntu) wfx: hoary is in seady development.....warty is stable
[11:17] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) geppy: mostly. :)
[11:17] (ogra/#ubuntu) steady
[11:17] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  heh  =)
[11:18] (ironwolf/#ubuntu) geppy: apt-get install mplayer-586 ... see what installs. :)
[11:18] <lml> paul_: Close to installing FC3 - but really like Ubuntu except for this specific problem, which seems like nobody knows anything about how to solve.
[11:18] (geppy/#ubuntu) ironwolf:  heh... I would, but I don't want to break what I've got.  =)
[11:18] <lml> Is it possible to "upgrade" to hoary using apt-get?
[11:18] <wfx> ogra, i know this will be realased in april 2005 but what is new (oh havent say servus :-)
[11:18] <FTTP> lml report it as bug then
[11:18] <FTTP> lml:  yep :) change the source list
[11:19] <paul_> lml: not quite sure; I'm a Debian n00b myself
[11:19] <gumnut> 1st time user of X-chat or any other chat app.
[11:19] <lml> FTTP: I just do not feel I have enough info on what is the real problem to report a bug.
[11:19] <paul_> gumnut: welcome; have fun keeping up ^_^
[11:19] (geppy/#ubuntu) I shall return, eventually;  doom3 modding calls.
[11:19] <paul_> FTTP: is your screenname an allusion to your Net connection, by any chance? :)
[11:19] <paul_> FTTP: if so, lucky you
[11:19] <FTTP> paul:  No
[11:19] <FTTP> paul:  Not yet
[11:19] (ogra/#ubuntu) lml: ask on the ubuntu-users ML
[11:20] <gumnut> Thks.  having trouble when I minimize Evolution to 'taskbar', I can't  get it back up again.  Seems I keep opneing a new session.?
[11:20] <FTTP> paul:  i have fiber to the building and cablemodem from the basement to my apartment
[11:20] <FTTP> 5/800
[11:20] <FTTP> rcn
[11:20] <paul_> FTTP: neato
[11:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> Damn
[11:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> GRUB wrecked my 50GB HD
[11:20] <FTTP> paul no they suck :P
[11:20] <paul_> FTTP: 5?
[11:20] <FTTP> paul:  I can get up to 7000/800
[11:20] <paul_> FTTP: I only get two
[11:20] <paul_> FTTP: that 'sucks'?
[11:20] <FTTP> for 10 more
[11:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: unlikely
[11:20] <FTTP> paul no not the speed
[11:21] <FTTP> the routing is bad and there is a slight packet loss on the upstream as well as problems between modem and headend
[11:21] <FTTP> paul the speed is awesome but the service sucks
[11:21] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, then what?
[11:21] <paul_> FTTP: I getcha... wonder why everyone's so excited about it then...
[11:21] <Hikaru79> Is libwxgtk2.4-python = wxPython ?
[11:21] <FTTP> paul no its not fttp
[11:21] <Hikaru79> Just another name for it?
[11:21] <FTTP> paul:  Im waiting for FTTP tho
[11:21] <paul_> Hikaru79: hit it on the head
[11:21] <Hikaru79> =) Sweet
[11:21] <Hikaru79> Thanks, paul
[11:22] <FTTP> paul:  It wont be 7 years but im still waiting :P
[11:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: grub worked fine for all others in this area....its unlikely that it was grub....
[11:22] <paul_> Hikaru79: that's indeed what it is, although the Ubuntu package is compiled against GTK+ 1.4 or something, so it looks kinda ugly
[11:22] <FTTP> paul:  out on long island where my parents live they are wiring up for fios
[11:22] <paul_> FTTP: :)
[11:22] <Hikaru79> I see. Do you recommend compiling it myself?
[11:22] <FTTP> and by my dads office
[11:22] <FTTP> but he has fiber already to the CO
[11:22] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, the HD worked yesterday
[11:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: you fiddled a lot with grub.....i dont think its grubs fault....
[11:22] <FTTP> previous owner put in fiber line
[11:22] <FTTP> so its already fiber to the Verizon CO
[11:23] <paul_> Hikaru79: well, if you enable the hoary repository, I think you can get wxGTK 2.5, compiled against GTK2, if you're feeling adventurous
[11:23] <paul_> FTTP: nice stuff
[11:23] <Hikaru79> Is the difference only in the visuals?
[11:23] <Hikaru79> i'm really only using it for Bittorrent; not that concerned with how shiny it is =P
[11:23] <paul_> Hikaru79: by and large, yes. wxWidgets provides the same widget set, regardless of what toolkit (GTK+, Windows GDI, Aqua, etc) you're using
[11:24] <FTTP> paul:  I need to get my ubuntu back working
[11:24] <paul_> FTTP: same here
[11:24] <Hikaru79> Thanks ;)
[11:24] <FTTP> paul:  I cant figure out how to reinstall grub
[11:24] <paul_> FTTP: golly, um
[11:24] <FTTP> by using the cd
[11:24] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, is the whole HD ruined? or is it just the filesystem?  Could I reformat?
[11:24] <FTTP> paul:  I tried to mount as others have said
[11:24] <Hikaru79> Out of curiosity paul, do you have any reccomendation for a Linux bittorrent client?
[11:24] <paul_> FTTP: can you not even boot then?
[11:24] <FTTP> paul:  I boot directly into windows
[11:24] <FTTP> i replaced my mbr
[11:24] <paul_> Hikaru79: gnome-btdownload
[11:24] <FTTP> cause of issues
[11:24] <FTTP> and i want to see if its still working or not
[11:24] <Hikaru79> Is it graphical?
[11:25] <paul_> FTTP: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... good question
[11:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE| i really dont know how to fix windows,,,,but i am sure there are ppl in here that know about it
[11:25] <wfx> hmm is ogra visionary
[11:25] <paul_> Hikaru79: yep, and it fits in quite comfortably and attractively with the rest of GNOME -- follows the HIG and all that
[11:25] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, I dont care about Windows, but could a reformat fix any problems?
[11:25] <wfx> ;-)
[11:25] <Hikaru79> Awesome :) Thanks!
[11:25] <FTTP> paul:   with other distros, its easy
[11:25] <paul_> FTTP: I know what you mean
[11:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: you would loose the data
[11:25] <Hikaru79> Aaw, not in Ubuntu repository =(
[11:26] <FTTP> u can just redo the grub by itself without partitioning
[11:26] <paul_> FTTP: perhaps  download and burn a Ubuntu liveCD
[11:26] <Ruffian|JANE|> ogra, Ummm, if it fixes anything wrong i dont care
[11:26] <FTTP> paul yeah thats what i was thinking
[11:26] <FTTP> paul:  Its in /sbin i heard
[11:26] <paul_> FTTP: then boot using the LiveCD, mount both your boot partitions and your root partitions
[11:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) Ruffian|JANE|: so yes....
[11:26] <paul_> FTTP: actually, grub is in /boot/grub
[11:26] <paul_> FTTP: I don't know if this will fix your MBR tho
[11:26] <FTTP> paul:  No i mean the grub installer
[11:27] <FTTP> paul its part of the install package
[11:27] <FTTP> the grub installer will
[11:27] <Zugwrack> Ok I am really confused here...I am seeing Starting Enterprise Volume Manager <blah> when I boot up...however I removed(with synaptic) LVM so is this something else?
[11:27] <paul_> FTTP: oh, I dunno then...
[11:27] <wfx> Ruffian|JANE| why you think the hd is brocken (you cannot boot from it?)
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Zugwrack: that's evms
[11:27] <FTTP> paul ill try the livecd
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Zugwrack: it totally kicks arse
[11:27] <FTTP> gonna burn it now
[11:27] <FTTP> paul how do i mount root from the livecd?
[11:28] <Ruffian|JANE|> wfx, I get the error: Master Boot Record Error               the HD has XP on it
[11:28] <FTTP> paul:  errr wait wont the livecd have grub-installer or no?
[11:28] (s0cks/#ubuntu) You have to unmount the kernal to repartition, then it will save info?
[11:28] <wfx> Ruffian|JANE|, is this the only prob you can test to mount it (anyweher /mnt/test)
[11:28] <FTTP> paul:  Oh wait, livecd = no install doh
[11:28] <Zugwrack> HrdwrBob: Well it may be...but I am not running an enterprise network..that would need to track the volumes ;-) thanks for the info tho'!
[11:28] <paul_> FTTP: I don't know if it does, but you can get into your regular environment by typing in a terminal:
[11:28] <wfx> Ruffian|JANE|, so you need ntfs to mount it
[11:28] <Ruffian|JANE|> wfx, I was trying to dual boot, it worked before.  Then sudenly stopped working
[11:29] <paul_> FTTP: mount /dev/hd?? <mount point of your choice>
[11:29] <FTTP> paul:  mount /dev/hdb1 /anywhere?
[11:29] <Ruffian|JANE|> im leaving for now
[11:29] <paul_> FTTP: for our purposes, sure
[11:29] <FTTP> i tried that with the main cd with alt f2
[11:29] <FTTP> didnt work
[11:29] <FTTP> hopefully livecd will
[11:29] <FTTP> should
[11:29] <paul_> FTTP: weird
[11:29] <wfx> Ruffian|JANE|, test to mount it so you can save youre data and then reformat it
[11:30] <Ruffian|JANE|> wfx. not now
[11:30] <paul_> FTTP: anyway, if you're able to mount that partition, you then go: chroot /anywhere && source /etc/profile
[11:30] <paul_> FTTP: that gets you into your HD-installed environment when GRUB is failing you
[11:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) wfx: mount doesnt work, we tried this....
[11:30] <paul_> FTTP: you might then be able to hunt down grub-installer, either in /sbin or by installing a package (aptitude is a good text-based installer if you don't have an X server running)
[11:31] <wfx> ogra, sadly
[11:32] <paul_> FTTP: I just checked, and grub-install is indeed in /sbin
[11:32] <wfx> she mbr does the dos "fdisk /mbr" work?
[11:32] <FTTP> paul on which one?
[11:32] <FTTP> paul:  LiveCD?
[11:33] <wfx> ..say..
[11:33] <FTTP> or main cd
[11:33] <FTTP> or install?
[11:33] <paul_> FTTP: dunno if it's on a CD, but it'll be on your hard drive... that is, if you can mount it... if you can't mount it, I don't think grub-install will work anyway (could be wrong tho)
[11:33] <wfx> Ruffian|JANE|, have you also test the dos fdisk with the /mbr option?
[11:34] <wfx> Ruffian|JANE|, and alway check youre ide cable (for my hd's it was often the fault)
[11:34] <Zugwrack> Anyone help me figure out why Xcdroast refuses to see my firewire dvd burner? It is added as a line in fstab??
[11:34] <paul_> FTTP: going to try to fix something on my computer, back in five or ten
[11:35] <wfx> have all a good time
[11:35] (bungle/#ubuntu) say if someone was to go download OSX off IRC where would they go
[11:35] <ploggin> hi, i tried to install my ATI graphic card following the steps on the wikipage nut it still doesn't work.. :S
[11:35] <paul_> bungle: to #if-I-go-here-I'll-be-jailed, I believe ^_^
[11:36] (bungle/#ubuntu) bah
[11:36] <Hikaru79> lol
[11:36] <paul_> bungle: heh
[11:36] <paul_> bungle: that's why I only download Linux ISOs ^_^
[11:36] <paul_> bungle: oh yeah, and a Win98 ISO to replace the one I lost :)
[11:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: fglrx module is loaded ?
[11:37] (bungle/#ubuntu) they got an ibook
[11:37] <FTTP> paul, what microsoft is doing to its competitors like novell and burst with the new news out, it just really makes me want to use opensource
[11:37] <Zugwrack> Now it tells me I have to install prodvd support, but synaptic isn't finding it? (to burn dvd)?
[11:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: fglrx is replaxed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[11:37] <FTTP> paul i want to get off of their corrupt train
[11:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) ploggin: sorry... ati is replaced by....
[11:37] <Mesphistopheles> guys what's the quivilent of foomatic-bin in ubuntu.  Default drivers do not work
[11:37] (bungle/#ubuntu) but the os is stuffed cause the previous owners trewated it like windows
[11:38] (bungle/#ubuntu) and they lost the cd
[11:38] <FTTP> ubuntu has so much potential
[11:38] <vinic> Hi! I'm trying to install qc-usb (quickcam driver) but it returns this:      awk: cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/build/include/linux/version.h (No such file or directory)
[11:38] <vinic> what can I do?
[11:38] <paul_> FTTP: no kidding... when my Windows XP hard drive died, and I knew I wouldn't be able to install my copy anymore, because I had installed it on my computer(s) too many times... I shed very few tears :)
[11:38] <ploggin> yes, i did all that
[11:38] <ploggin> how can i make sure everything is ok?
[11:38] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: ahy dont you use the installed one ?
[11:38] <paul_> vinic: have you installed linux-source and linux-headers packages first?
[11:38] (ogra/#ubuntu) why
[11:39] <graham> FTTP, what have MS done now? I think I may have missed that.
[11:39] <vinic> paul_ : yes
[11:39] <FTTP> paul:  it wont allow u to install it over a certain amount of times?
[11:39] <FTTP> graham:  IT was on yahoo news
[11:39] <paul_> FTTP: three times on three disparate pieces of hardware...
[11:39] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: its already there...no need for compile
[11:39] <FTTP> graham:  Made headlines and front page........
[11:39] <vinic> ogra: There's no installed one!
[11:39] <Mabus> I've got a couple of computers here, and I want all but 1 of them to get their packages from my main server, if they're available there - but from archive.ubuntu if they're not. Is that possible?
[11:39] <vinic> :/
[11:39] <paul_> FTTP: my main computer, an old Celeron I had, and my brother's computer, and that was it...
[11:39] <FTTP> graham:  they told executives to destroy internal emails
[11:39] <FTTP> and the like
[11:40] <graham> FTTP, url? I'm currently looking on /., not found it yet
[11:40] <FTTP> graham:  Was on yahoo news....
[11:40] <FTTP> hold on
[11:40] <vinic> ogra: how can I check?
[11:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: its not there, youre right :(
[11:40] <FTTP> paul with dell theres no limit :)
[11:40] <FTTP> i installed my xp dozens and dozens oftimes
[11:40] <graham> FTTP, okay, thanks
[11:40] <vinic> ogra: yeh, sadly
[11:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: looks like your headers are not installed
[11:41] <vinic> ogra: they are
[11:41] <FTTP> paul:  Not that i like them ...... but its coded to the hd or something so it checks that a dell is using it i thin
[11:41] <FTTP> paul i mean bios
[11:41] <paul_> FTTP: must be an OEM copy of XP; I hear they don't have that crappy 'product activation' mess
[11:41] <FTTP> paul nope
[11:41] <FTTP> its from dell
[11:41] <paul_> FTTP: that's not true; the copy I bought was an OEM
[11:41] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: version.h is a header file
[11:41] <paul_> FTTP: weird
[11:42] <paul_> FTTP: wonder if they gave you the system builder edition by accident? :)
[11:42] <FTTP> paul:  i can call dell up if there was an issue but i dont think theres a limit cause i think there is something to do with the bios
[11:42] <paul_> so, does anybody know why uninstalling evolution-exchange tries to uninstall gnome-base as well?
[11:42] <FTTP> dell cds only work on dell machines
[11:42] <FTTP> and all dells come with xp anyways
[11:42] <FTTP> well except for servers with linux option
[11:42] (ogra/#ubuntu) vince:  dpkg -l|grep linux-headers-2.6-386
[11:42] <FTTP> in the usa
[11:42] <paul_> FTTP: I getcha... probably for that reason, as well as the fact that it's always the same computer, same hardware, same serial numbers, same BIOS
[11:43] (ogra/#ubuntu) vince:  does this return something ?
[11:43] <goonie> does anyone know of a different channel that specialises in wireless problems ?
[11:43] <aaroncuk> whats the command to get into samba settings in terminal
[11:43] <FTTP> paul:  I reinstalled over 3 times and there is no activation code needed
[11:43] <vinic> ogra: yep, but linux-headers-2.6.8...... are installed
[11:44] (bungle/#ubuntu) bah i am gonna search madhouse
[11:44] <vinic> ogra: checked
[11:44] <paul_> FTTP: amkes sense, if it's the same 'puter
[11:44] <FTTP> paul :  i think i may be easier to just reinstall
[11:44] <FTTP> to get grub back
[11:44] <paul_> FTTP: possibly... don't forget to backup your /home and /etc ^_^
[11:45] <vinic> ogra: no
[11:45] <vinic> :/
[11:46] <FTTP> paul:  Ill retry with the regular cd one more time
[11:46] <mirak> hi
[11:46] <FTTP> paul:  i did mount /dev/hdb1 and /anything
[11:46] <mirak> I have a problem
[11:47] <mirak> I can't mount my home
[11:47] (ogra/#ubuntu) vince: hmm, a search returns it is in linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[11:47] <FTTP> mirak you too?
[11:47] <FTTP> mirak:  from the cd?
[11:47] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: k3b ?
[11:47] <mirak> ?
[11:47] <mirak> what ?
[11:47] <vinic> ogra: dpkg -l|grep linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[11:47] <mirak> no, I am trying linux 2.6.9 kernel
[11:47] <vinic> ogra returns nothing
[11:47] <FTTP> oh
[11:48] <paul_> FTTP: how did it mounting work?
[11:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: try sudo apt-get install  linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[11:48] <paul_> FTTP: no joy?
[11:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: heh.... ok....
[11:48] <mirak> hey
[11:48] <mirak> what is the name of the window manager on gnome ?
[11:48] <FTTP> paul:  I got an error saying unknown directory and/or file when i tried to mount from using altf2 before partitioning so i have the basic boot cd
[11:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: meatcity
[11:49] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: metacity  sorry
[11:49] <cardador> ogra: lol meat
[11:49] <mirak> thanks
[11:49] (ogra/#ubuntu) hehe
[11:49] <xcasex> so ehrm, the sed issue?
[11:49] <cardador> xcasex: solved
[11:49] <xcasex> cardador; on all archs?
[11:49] <cardador> xcasex: at least on i386
[11:50] <xcasex> Ah
[11:50] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: wnat filesys is your home ?
[11:50] <Zimpee> how can i set the default sound module in gnome? warty warthog
[11:50] <xcasex> <--- ppc
[11:50] <paul_> FTTP: hmmmmmmm... I've experienced that too... sometimes when you go through the partition management step, and save the partition tables (BE CAREFUL to set action to 'keep files') it will mount it automatically on /target
[11:50] <FTTP> paul:  do i need an existing directory?  if so which one can i use?
[11:50] <paul_> Zimpee: Ubuntu doesn't seem to have it in the control panel
[11:50] <paul_> FTTP: you can create directories; the filesystem resides in RAM
[11:50] <Zimpee> paul_: i know. that's why i asked you
[11:50] <paul_> FTTP: the problem is that /dev/is empty
[11:50] <paul_> Zimpee: sorry, trying buncha conversations at once
[11:50] <FTTP> paul so how do i get around that?
[11:51] <socomm> paul_: all the devices are under /.dev
[11:51] <FTTP> ohhhhhhhh
[11:51] <paul_> socomm: you don't say. FTTP, try out /.dev
[11:51] <paul_> :)
[11:51] <paul_> socomm: you're a lifesaver :)
[11:51] <FTTP> socomm thanks!
[11:51] <eruin> anyone know what might cause all my apps to select different languages? xchat selects swedish, gaim selects danish, gnome selects norwegian (apparently)
[11:51] <vinic> ogra: that works!!! ;) ty
[11:51] <socomm> Don't mention it.
[11:51] <mirak> ahhhhh crap, I installed unstable 2.6.9 kernel :-/
[11:51] (zenwhen/#ubuntu) Im going to install ubuntu in a virtual machine and do an rm -rf / to see what happens :D
[11:51] <FTTP> ogra:  /.dev :P
[11:52] <mirak> I guess ubnutu doesn't have 2.6.9
[11:52] <Zimpee> or can I set it in mplayer? e.g. I need alsa sound module, but mplayer uses oss. -ao drv: doesn't work, there is no alsa in the list
[11:52] <vinic> ogra: 1 point
[11:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) vinic: :)
[11:52] <FTTP> ogra:  u fergot the ., but close :)
[11:52] <paul_> Zimpee: in gconf-editor, look under... gee, I think it's /system/gstreamer/0.8 somewhere
[11:52] <FTTP> socomm:  Good pickup :)
[11:52] <Zimpee> ok paul_: just a second
[11:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: shit happens.....
[11:52] <FTTP> ogra:  yep
[11:53] <FTTP> ogra i thought i was going crazy
[11:53] <FTTP> ogra:  You said you got it to work with /dev so i was going bonkers thinking what am i doing wrong :)
[11:54] <FTTP> ok brb
[11:54] <FTTP> hopefully from ubuntu
[11:54] <paul_> Zimpee: search for default_src or defaultsrc; make sure 'search keys' is checked in the search dialogue
[11:55] <f00fbug> hello
[11:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: run mplayer from the commandline without a file, it gives you all its options then
[11:55] <paul_> ogra: does that allow you to change gstreamer's sink and source settings though?
[11:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: i.e. use: mplayer -ao esd
[11:56] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: i understood its an mplayer prob.....
[11:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) paul_: if you need to change the gstreamer ones -> gstreamer-properties
[11:56] <f00fbug> grr
[11:56] <paul_> ogra: oh, not sure; I'm using irssi and I don't know how to scroll up
[11:57] (ogra/#ubuntu) paul_: :)
[11:57] <f00fbug> firefox is bombing when i dl :(
[11:57] (ogra/#ubuntu) f00fbug: hoary ?
[11:57] <paul_> ogra: not fun being in the console
[11:57] <paul_> ogra: everything's weeeeeird
[11:57] <Zimpee> ogra: mplayer -ao esd: ould not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.
[11:57] <Zimpee> Audio: no sound
[11:58] <f00fbug> hmm
[11:58] <f00fbug> i wonder if they have debs for 1.0
[11:59] <mirak> hey
[11:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: your sound is working elsewhere ?
[11:59] <mirak> what is the command to have a frame buffer in other resolution than 640*480 ?
[11:59] <mirak> at kernel boot
[12:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: vga=