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Zimpeeogra: yes, but scratching. except of xmms, where i set alsa to: hw:0,1. there is no scratching12:00
(ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: and the corresponding hex code for your resolution12:00
mirakogra ok12:00
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FTTPnode12:01
FTTPerr nope12:01
FTTPdont work12:01
FTTPill burn another distro and use its grub12:01
FTTPreinstalling is a pain12:02
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paul_FTTP: I hear you12:02
paul_FTTP: I'm gonna hafta do that myself too12:02
FTTPpaul:  It says file or directory not found12:02
paul_FTTP: when you enter what command?12:02
paul_mount?12:02
mirakdamn, I don't have a home, and no browser want to run without home12:02
(ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: what drivers does mplayer offer ?12:02
mirakthat's hallucinating12:02
FTTPpaul:  When i use mount /dev/hdb1 hdb112:02
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miraklol, I must browse as root12:02
mirak:p12:02
FTTPand /dev/hdb1 /hdb112:03
paul_mirak: how on earth did your home disappear?!?12:03
FTTPwith the mount12:03
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FTTPpaul did i use the right commands?12:03
paul_FTTP: did you try /.dev/hdb1, like that one guy suggested?12:03
mirakpaul_ it doesn't disapeared, I can't mount it12:03
FTTPyes i did12:03
mirakI don't know why12:03
FTTPpaul:  The directory is /dev tho12:03
FTTPbut yeah i tried em both12:03
paul_mirak: oh, it was on another partition?12:03
miraksomething is wrong, it says it's busy, but it's not mounted or lsof12:03
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Zimpeedio output        oss     OSS/ioctl audio output        nuogra:   mpegpes DVB aull    Null audio output        pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output       plugin  Plugin audio output12:03
f00fbugok.. overwriting my current install12:03
paul_FTTP: strangeness abounds12:03
mirakpaul_ yes12:04
Zimpeeah12:04
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f00fbugeven though i know its gonna reak havic on the versioning12:04
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) havoc12:04
Zimpeeogra:   mpegpes DVB audio output        oss     OSS/ioctl audio output        null    Null audio output        pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output       plugin  Plugin audio output12:04
FTTPpaul:  Do other linux distros have a rescue cd?12:04
(ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: stop12:04
gooniedoes anyone know of a different channel that specialises in wireless problems ?12:04
f00fbug thx HrdwrBoB12:04
paul_FTTP: Mandrake does12:04
FTTPpaul:  what about fedora?12:04
mirakpaul_ but in fact I wanted to install 2.6.9 kernel, but I realised I installed unstable kernel12:04
FTTPpaul:  I would rather use ubuntu12:04
paul_FTTP: nevah used it12:04
dick_i need some help with USB12:04
FTTPthey should make this stuff easier tho :P12:04
(ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: tried pcm ?12:04
dick_as what are the USB ports known in /dev ?12:05
scoongoonie: no, but i run linksys wireless, maybe i can help12:05
paul_mirak: maybe try using a LiveCD or something -- I guess the filesystem drivers in 2.6.9 are borked -- and try mounting /home from there.12:05
dick_i don't see /dev/ttyUSB0 or something similar12:05
FTTPpaul unless i can install grub from windows?12:05
Zimpeeogra: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. Audio: no sound Starting playback..12:05
mirakI still have the old kernel12:05
mirakI will boot it12:05
paul_FTTP: not to my knowledge12:05
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: normally it doesnt fail to install grub....12:06
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FTTPogra i removed it12:06
mirakpaul_ I am serching how to have a bigger resolution in the fb12:06
FTTPogra:  it installed grub.......... but i removed it with fixmbr in windows12:06
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: so who are you complaining at ?12:06
FTTPogra:  So I Want to reinstall it12:06
FTTPogra:  In windows u just pop in cd go to recovery console and recreate it12:06
Zimpeeogra: i have VIA AC 97 audio sound card12:06
gooniescoon: i'm having problems with BCM94306 and ndiswrapper12:06
paul_FTTP: did you try following the install all the way to the partition manager, leaving the partitions as-is (by choosing 'keep' when you're editing the partitions)12:07
FTTPwith linux there should be a similar mechanism12:07
paul_FTTP: maybe I didn't suggest this to you12:07
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FTTPpaul:  Oh12:07
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FTTPpaul:  I did it on the screen for the partitioning12:07
FTTPit went right into altf2 tho12:07
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gooniescoon: everything looks right with ifconfig and iwconfig but no internet..12:07
paul_FTTP: anyway, go through the partition manager, taking care not to reformat any partitions. THen when you get to the next step, the install will bail because it doesn't want to install over an already installed system12:07
mirakwhere can I find the resolution opcode to use with vga option ?12:07
FTTPpaul:  Ill do the partioning screen too (with no partitions12:07
FTTPpaul:  Ok12:08
scoongoonie: no firewall, or anything like that ?12:08
paul_FTTP: then you press 'go back' and it'll take you to a menu of options; scroll down until you get 'show shell' or something12:08
scoongoonie: can you ping your nameservers12:08
FTTPpaul:  so then its mkdir hdb1 then mont /dev/hdb1 /hdb1 right?12:08
FTTPerr mount12:08
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FTTPin console right?12:08
(ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: only idea....stop esd.....but i remember lamont had a better idea before.....12:08
paul_FTTP: actually, no, when you get into the shell (after partition manager, after install fails) it'll be mounted as /target12:08
Zimpeelamont: are you here?12:09
paul_FTTP: (automatically mounts it for you)12:09
FTTPpaul:  Oh12:09
Zimpeeor lamont_r?12:09
FTTPpaul:  How do i make it so it automatically mounts?12:09
gooniescoon: yes I can ping my gateway / dns server12:09
FTTPpaul:  any flags in boot or no?12:09
scoongoonie: ok.  so the card is working then.12:09
xcasexthe sed issue is still live on ppc.12:09
dick_anyone on here actually have USB working?12:09
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: great12:09
paul_FTTP: only thing you need to do is complete the partition management steps in the install, allow the install to fail, and then go to the console using the installation menu12:09
scoongoonie: did you try to set it up with gnome's networking conf tool ?12:10
(ogra/#ubuntu) dick_: everybody i guess :)12:10
FTTPpaul ok will do12:10
gooniescoon: the card works but I can't get online12:10
paul_FTTP: wish I could describe it better, but I discovered it today by accident, and I don't remember exactly what it was like12:10
gooniescoon: yes the gui tool did nothing12:10
Mesphistopheleshow do I restart cups?12:10
FTTPok brb12:10
Zimpeelamont is far away:) good bye12:10
dick_as what are the USB ports known in /dev then?12:10
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scoongoonie: how about this: /etc/init.d/netowrking restart12:10
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Scognitohi12:10
f00fbughmm12:11
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(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: look in /etc/resolv.conf is there a nameserver line ?12:11
dick_ogra: i'm trying to connect to my pocketpc on USB, but I don't know what the port is in /dev12:12
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goonieyes the nameserver is in /etc/resolv.conf12:12
(ogra/#ubuntu) dick_: plugged in already ?12:12
dick_yep12:12
scoongoonie: and you restarted the service ?12:13
(ogra/#ubuntu) dick_: look in the device manager.... the device should be listed there12:13
gooniescoon: yes12:13
s0cks_Is the installer graphical?12:13
(ogra/#ubuntu) s0cks_: nope, but nearly automatic :)12:14
f00fbugbye12:14
s0cks_what are the steps?12:14
Scognitohow can i make preview for avi into nautilus?12:14
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Scognitofor the icon i mean12:14
MesphistophelesI can't get cups to print usb.  device manger sees my printer but the print manger doesn't.  No big deal I can still choose various printers right?  Right ibut they still don't work no matter which epson 670 driver I choose.  I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383  but the packages don't exist on the ppc repository.12:15
Mesphistophelesuniverse or not12:15
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(ogra/#ubuntu) Scognito: nautilus-media12:15
nimcis there a chance that video-in is enabled without doing anything in ubuntu ? what program i can use to watch video-in ?12:16
scoongoonie: and no firewall correct ?12:16
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goonieno firewall12:16
MesphistophelesI'm fed up.  I know how to set up printers and this just ain't working and I'm begining to question my time.12:16
scoongoonie: is there more than one interface in the gui tool ?12:16
gooniescoon: just tried adding it again through the gui.. it is there and activated according to the gui12:17
(scopecrp/#ubuntu) is sed still busted in hoary?12:17
scoongoonie: if there is try deleting the one that you don't want and restart netowrking12:17
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scoongoonie: and i guess it is safe to assume that you have the wireless-tools package installed.12:18
Despairscopecrp: no, but binutils is.12:18
dick_ogra: I can see it there (under USB1), but I can't see what USB1 is known as in /dev12:18
gooniescoon: wireless tools installed and yes i've deleted the device in the gui and restarted the service12:18
(ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: search for video capture in synaptic12:19
scoongoonie: maybe check here and make certain that you are using the correct driver -> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List12:19
scoongoonie: but it really sounds like something else to me12:19
(ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: its a ubuntu driver12:20
scoonogra: what do you mean ?12:20
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: its likely your router.....if you can ping it12:20
(ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: ndiswrapper is in ubuntu12:20
Mark1i'm trying to save a file to a new directory i just made but it says i can't write to that directory12:20
nimcogra, nothing there (i have universe) - even when i search 'capture'12:20
Mark1does anyone know why this is?12:20
(mojo_/#ubuntu) Has anyone here firgured out the way to fix error = 21 bugs of Cedega on Ubuntu?12:20
scoonogra: i understand that.  but the card's driver is fetched from somewhere else.12:21
Scognitoogra, it is installed12:21
Scognito:(12:21
Scognitoin warthy this worked12:21
paul__Mark: did you create that directory when you were a superuser? (just thought I'd check)12:21
Mark1paul_: yes, i think i did12:21
paul__Mark1: :)12:22
Mark1paul:  but i'm not positive.  how could i change that???12:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: oh, ok12:22
goonieI used the same windrivers on gentoo with this router only 3 days ago... all my other machines have no problem with any network functions12:22
paul__Mark1: assuming your username is mark, go: sudo chown mark.mark directory-to-change12:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: type route12:22
paul__Mark1: go ls -l first... that'll tell you who owns that directory12:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: is there a default gateway ?12:23
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FTTPnope12:23
scoongoonie: does anything get logged in the system logs ?12:23
FTTPno /target12:23
paul__FTTP: nothing, eh?12:23
Mark1paul: yes, i see who owns it12:23
FTTPi dont see any target directory12:23
paul__FTTP: craptacular12:23
Mark1directory IS called "mark"12:23
paul__FTTP: worked on mine12:23
FTTPpaul:  Actually i saw a target012:23
FTTPfor some bus12:23
FTTPbus012:23
paul__FTTP: what was in it?12:23
FTTPor something12:23
paul__oh12:23
paul__pooey12:23
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paul__Mark1: is it owned by mark as well?12:24
FTTPpaul:  did u use any flags?12:24
Mark1i actually log in as "ubuntu"12:24
dick_ogra: any idea? i can see the device connect and disconnect, but I can't see it in /dev12:24
Mark1so mark is just the directory name12:24
paul__FTTP: did nothing special12:24
FTTPpaul:  There is no way it will know by default if there is a root partition12:24
goonielocalnet      *     255.0.0.0            U        0        0          0 wlan012:24
FTTPcause it assumes im doing a new install12:24
paul__FTTP: oh, of course12:24
gooniedefault        10.0.0.2           0.0.0.0             UG        0      0          0 wlan012:25
dick_ogra: never mind, I found it12:25
dick_bye everyone, good luck12:25
Mark1paul, i'm guessing i do the following:  sudo chown ubuntu.ubuntu mark12:25
paul__FTTP: I guess one thing I did was, while editing the partition... let's see, first I choose 'keep file structure' or something (instead of 'no action'), then I chose the mount point / below12:25
paul__Mark1: exactly12:25
Mark1thanks12:25
paul__Mark1: no problemo12:26
FTTPpaul dunno12:26
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(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: 10.0.0.2 is your gw/router ?12:26
Mark1thanks a lot12:26
paul__FTTP bloody annoying, isn't it12:26
goonieogra: yes12:26
paul__FTTP: do you have any liveCDs from another distro lying around?12:26
FTTPpaul:  with previous redhats i was able to just load the cd and install grub then reboot12:26
FTTPpaul:  I can burn something12:26
paul__FTTP: yeah, I remember that from Mandrake12:26
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(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: and you can ping the router ?12:26
goonieogra: yes12:27
FTTPpaul so with the live cd i should be able to mount my root?12:27
paul__FTTP: if you can get into a console of any sort and mount that partition, typing 'chroot /mountedpartition && source /etc/profile'12:27
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: and you can ping 217.115.139.139 ?12:27
FTTPpaul ok ill try another cd12:27
paul__FTTP: that should get you into your hard drive AND take control from the LiveCD and give it to your install -- that way, you have access to /sbin and your package manager and all sorts of stuff12:27
goonieogra: yes I can :O12:28
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: try this addres as namese12:28
(ogra/#ubuntu) nameserver12:28
francoiswhen I launch gnome-settings-daemon I got an "assertion failed". What can I do ?12:28
FTTPpaul:  actually i have a novell cd12:28
paul__FTTP: hope it works! I won't be online when you come back; gotta reinstall Ubuntu after I did something very stupid12:28
FTTPlet me see if i can get into grub12:28
paul__FTTP: could work, if you can get to a root console12:28
(mojo_/#ubuntu) daniels: can you upload new nvidia driver to main upstream so I can test it?12:28
(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: then ping www.ubuntulinux.org12:28
Mark1paul:  i tried   '    sudo chow ubuntu.ubuntu mark12:29
FTTPpaul that was the grub which was bad tho12:29
FTTPgot corrupted12:29
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FTTPoh wait12:29
FTTPim using the other grub12:29
FTTPbut that one is bad too :P12:29
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: grub isnt bad if you use it right12:30
mirakhi12:30
goonieogra: that doesn't work.... I also tried pinging my terminal server at work (ip) and that worked12:30
FTTPogra i did12:30
mirakI got an error from cd rom, hdd. I remind I have audio CD redaing troubles. I can't even rip them12:30
mirakUDF-fs: No VRS found12:30
mirakUnable to identify CD-ROM format.12:30
eruinoooh, I want th livecd-grub instead of the default ubuntu one12:30
eruin:o12:30
scoongoonie: can you boot into a live cd and use the device ?12:30
FTTPogra i set it up to mbr on main drive, windows xp on main drive, linux on 2nd12:30
eruinanyone done that?12:30
mirakthat's an error from dmesg12:31
Hikaru79Someone check if google is working for you guys12:31
mirakhdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }12:31
FTTPbrb12:31
FTTPgonna try this again12:31
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: you uninstalled grub without informing yourself about how to reinstall it and now you blame grub since two days....12:31
(ogra/#ubuntu) oh12:31
(ogra/#ubuntu) damed12:31
Mark1anyone, i  made a folder as a superuser12:31
gooniescoon: dunno... doubt it seeing as I need ndiswrapper to install the windows drivers to make it work12:31
Mark1and now i can't write file to that directory12:31
Mark1any way to change that?12:32
eruinMark1, sudo chown -R youruser folder12:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) Mark1: chown $user /the/folder/you/mean12:32
Mark1thansk a a lot12:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) Mark1: chown $USER /the/folder/you/mean12:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) sorry12:32
eruinwhat exactly is up with root on ubuntu?12:32
scoongoonie: you said you have this working on gentoo or someting earlier ?  is this a different box ?12:32
eruinI mean, does it have some freaky default password set or is it just plain unusable?12:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo12:32
scoongoonie: why not compare what the gnome conf gui coughs up in the other box ?12:33
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(ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: his dns is borked12:33
eruinogra, cheers12:33
(ogra/#ubuntu) eruin hi12:33
gooniethis is the same laptop.. just switched distros after a complete gentoo crash12:33
JorisKhello every1, what's up with FireFox 1.0, is it installable @ the current ubuntu? I'm getting an lib error when installing the tar.gz version12:33
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(ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: post your /etc/resolv.conf to #flood12:34
eruinah, sudo su, why didnt I think of that? :D12:34
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eruinanyone know of coaster packages?12:35
gooniethx all for the help... baby woke up12:35
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sect2kis anyone having problems accessing http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ?12:35
eruinand/or rhythmbox 0.9-branch packages (the audio burning in 0.9 is SWEET)12:35
(ogra/#ubuntu) sect2k: nope12:36
Mark1thanks everyone for the help....12:36
JorisKhello every1, what's up with FireFox 1.0, is it installable @ the current ubuntu? I'm getting an lib error when installing the tar.gz version12:36
sect2kogra: strange it just doesn't work for me12:37
SensebendJorisK, it's in the hoary repos, you should be able to install it with dpkg in warty12:37
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JorisK\no shit?12:38
JStrikesect2k : Synaptic has never liked it for me12:39
JorisKur saying i can install it with the package manager Sensebend ?12:39
Sensebendprobably, might be easier12:39
JorisKi can't find the packages12:39
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(ogra/#ubuntu) sect2k: added it like described here ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu12:39
JorisKwhen i do a search, i only see the 0.9x versions12:40
JorisKand addons12:40
(ogra/#ubuntu) JorisK: its only in hoary12:40
mirakcraperfox as crashed12:40
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sect2kJStrike: me neither, i tried loading the page in firefox and it also doesn't work12:40
JStrikeWell, that used to work12:41
JorisKhoary?12:41
JorisKhmm12:41
JorisKwhat the hell is that?12:41
JorisKI'12:41
JStrikesect2k : That is pretty old stuff in there BTW12:41
JorisKI'm using Synaptic Package manager12:41
JorisKis Hoary something different?12:41
SensebendJorisK, you'd need to convert your repositories to hoary12:41
Sensebendand then back to warty12:41
JorisKhow's that?12:41
Sensebendif you just want the package12:41
JStriketseng really needs to make it current and update it once a week12:41
JorisKhow do i convert them?12:42
Sensebendare you using synaptic?12:42
sect2kJStrike: I know, but it's the most convenient12:42
JorisKyes12:42
JorisKThe default synaptic12:42
JorisKand synaptic doesn't show the new firefox version12:42
Sensebendok go to settings, repositories12:43
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FTTPnovell is alot nicer on boot12:43
cerebrixdoes ubuntu use alsa or oss by default?12:43
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) both :)12:43
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) alsa drivers12:43
JorisKi'm there Sensebend12:43
Sensebendreplace instances or warty with hoary12:44
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) using the OSS-compat devices12:44
Sensebendfor the enabled repositories12:44
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FTTPi got into ubuntu root via novell, has a nicer look and features12:44
FTTPbut its not free12:44
JorisKErr12:44
JorisKi can't see a button or soemthing else for that Sensebend12:44
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JorisKi can only add repositories there12:44
JorisKthat's it12:44
FTTPit enabled me to login and select my windows or linux12:44
Sensebendyou see the text box where it says distribution12:44
JorisKand i got all of them checked.12:44
FTTPubuntu needs stuff like that12:45
Sensebendwhen you select one12:45
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FTTPmakes it easier12:45
JorisKyes ok12:45
JorisKi can see that12:45
Sensebendreplace warty with hoary12:45
FTTPubuntu is free tho12:45
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cerebrixi know what sound driver my card uses, is there a way to tell it to use that?  it wasnt detected on install.  its the ice_1724 driver12:45
Sensebendin the enabled ones12:45
FTTPnovell charges for everything12:45
JorisKevery repository?12:45
JorisKthat has warty in it?12:45
adellariowhere can I find the kernel config or make file in wartywarthog?12:45
FTTPhow do i use grub-install?12:45
Sensebendyes12:45
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: "it enabled me to login and select my windows or linux" -> what do you mean?12:45
FTTPjdub:  Has some nice features on novell....... HOWEVER ubuntu is only a first release12:46
(EfaistOs/#ubuntu) hi12:46
FTTPso im sure alot of that stuff will be added in their own way12:46
JorisKSensebend, what's the difference between hoary and warty?12:46
JorisKis hoary the new upcoming dist.12:46
JorisK?12:46
Sensebendwell you don't need to upgrade your whole system12:47
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Sensebendin fact I advise against that12:47
(EfaistOs/#ubuntu) i'm using the fglrx-driver pkg but with mplayer i cant use -vo=xv :-( do u know how to fix the stuff ?12:47
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: what did you mean where i quoted you above?12:47
(bungle/#ubuntu) ;12:47
FTTPjdub:  I got locked out of my system12:47
adellarioCan anyone tell me where the kernel config or makefile is?12:47
FTTPjdub:  I mean cause i removed grub12:47
SensebendI recommend temporarily using the repositories to get some packages like firefox and gaim12:47
Sensebendif you aren't into running the development release12:47
FTTPjdub:  The other had a choice on the screen for booting into the windows partition or the linux partition12:47
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: like I say, I haven't the foggiest clue about OOo/Java beyond what I said earlier, sorry12:47
Sensebendhey jdub!12:47
(Kamion/#ubuntu) adellario: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.112:47
adellariothanks12:48
FTTPjdub:  You get locked out of ubuntu and its not good :P12:48
JorisKSensebend, are these development versions?12:48
Sensebendyes12:48
JorisKWhat's the main difference between those 2 things, warty or hoary?12:48
(EfaistOs/#ubuntu) i found -vo gl212:48
adellarioKamian: Shouldn't it be on my system though?12:48
Sensebendhoary is a development release and has newer stuff12:48
FTTPok now how do i use grub-install ? :)12:48
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: you uninstalled the grub package, and you could no longer start ubuntu?12:49
(scopecrp/#ubuntu) did x break for anyone today on hoary sync?12:49
adellarioKamion: Sorry, shouldn't it be on my system already though?12:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) adellario: we don't install kernel source by default ... would take too much CD space12:49
adellarioAhhhhh12:49
Sensebendnope scopecrp12:49
FTTPjdub yep12:49
adellariothank you very much12:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) adellario: the .config is in /boot/ though12:49
SensebendI've synced twice today12:49
(scopecrp/#ubuntu) hmm12:49
FTTPjdub: lets say it gets corrupted or something which happens12:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) config-2.6.8.1-3-386, or similar12:49
Sensebendthe ubuntu3 version of X.org is working nice12:49
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FTTPwith windows u go to recovery console12:49
FTTPwith other linuxes similar thing12:50
Sensebendwith Linux I usually boot to livecd and fix the problem from there12:50
eruinanyone know of an openoffice 1.9-repo ?12:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: Ubuntu has that too, as long as the bootloader is working12:50
cerebrixoh, the fglrx driver that is compatible w/ xorg 6.8 comes out in december and is currently in closed beta12:50
FTTPkamion:  "As long as the bootloader is working" :P12:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you trash the Windows bootloader, you won't be able to use its recovery console either12:50
cerebrixthe ati driver team talked about that in the irc chat rage3d.com had with them last week12:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, not a good comparison12:50
FTTPkamion thats not true........ from the cd it works12:50
FTTPkamion i mean from the cd12:50
FTTPkamion:  I did trash my mbr12:51
Sensebendoh that's good news cerebrix12:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: true, but you can use the Ubuntu CD as a rescue disk if you try hard enough12:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I should put directions on the website I guess12:51
FTTPKamion:  If you try hard enough :P yeah directions on website would help12:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sure12:51
nesman89is there a program to view system info. ie kernel version etc?12:51
FTTPkamion:  It would be nice to have like the other distros tho12:51
FTTPeventually :P not a priority12:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) at some point I hope we can make rescue-booting from the CD easier12:51
cerebrixalso, although ive only been trying to use linux a week (still have yet to get everything setup in any distro successfully) i noticed that the faq's on the message boards arent quite right12:51
FTTPkamion yep agreed12:52
JStrikeOk. Probably not the best place to ask, but has anybody managed to get shareaza to work with Wine in Ubuntu, It is supposed to work fine with Wine, so I suspect that the Ubuntu Wine package is different to the regular Wine package12:52
cerebrixtonight im going to ask my friend, an ati linux beta tester and ati linux guru to take a look and make a post to help everyone out12:52
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: this is all inherited from debian-installer, we're not behaving differently to it; understand that it's a relatively new installer and some features still need to be written into it12:52
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FTTPkamion i know, its based on sarge :)12:53
(Kamion/#ubuntu) indeed (roughly)12:53
FTTPkamion basically its a distro that goes on12:53
FTTPdevelopment will come and you folks will make it awesome i have no doubt12:53
cerebrixso.... do i need to update my alsa to get the driver that i need to have sound?12:53
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eruinwhat's the consensus on a gtk-gui ubuntu installer?12:54
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eruinI'm guessing this'll be one of the next goals12:55
FTTPeruin:  I dont think it should be a priority, as long as all the feature sets are there12:55
(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: we hope to help Debian develop one; we're not targetting it for Hoary though, because it's too big a task12:55
eruinyeah, I wouldnt expect it that early12:55
(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: I've already made some progress, but there's a *lot* of usability work to be done12:55
FTTPkamion:  Which projects are you responsible for?12:56
SensebendI don't think we need a graphical installer12:56
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: (as in, I've successfully booted a graphical d-i - butt-ugly, though)12:56
Sensebendthe text one is easy and fast12:56
eruin@FTTP: for a distro with the scope ubuntu has, it should be ;)12:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm the Ubuntu installer team leader12:56
eruinKamion, got a teaser? ;)12:56
FTTPKamion:  Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh12:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: not easily, unfortunately, it's difficult to build just at the moment12:56
Sensebendeven a non-technical user shouldn't have trouble with the current installer12:56
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eruinno the current installer is a breeze12:56
FTTPkamion:  i didnt realize that.... ok now i got you on the spot :)12:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Sensebend: that's true, but we've had enough requests that it's worth putting time into, even if a lot of people (including me) are personally quite happy with the current installer12:57
eruinbut that doesnt mean a gui is unable to improve it12:57
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: only for about two minutes before my girlfriend trumps you :P12:57
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FTTPKamion:  heh12:57
SensebendI find graphical installers are more trouble than they're worth12:57
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FTTPKamion:  A couple of suggestions would be to make a rescue option12:57
FTTPkamion:  in the install cd12:57
dafarthi there12:57
cerebrixoh since there are devs in here.  i just wanna say, ive been trying to use linux for 9 days now and this is the only distro to seem to really care about making things easier on new people.  so... thank you for that =D12:57
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, it's on my to-do as I mentioned12:57
dafartanyone got amule working with ubuntu on amd6412:57
eruinoh wow12:58
eruinI didnt' ever get to try muine on fedora12:58
eruingreat player12:58
dafartI can install the debian binary for amd6412:58
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s0cks_hmm. 40 gig windows, 80 gig linux12:58
FTTPkamion:  sounds good.........12:58
dafartbut I have to use  sudo dpkg --install --ignore-depends=libwxbase2.4 --ignore-depends=libwxgtk2.4 amule_1.2.6+rc7-1_amd64.deb12:58
s0cks_Sounds bout right.12:58
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FTTPkamion:  What other suggestions did i have :>12:58
eruin20gb windows, 250gb linux12:58
FTTPkamion:  well you handle the grub installer part?12:59
FTTPor thats someone else?12:59
s0cks_eruin : I ain't right.12:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: which part is that?12:59
eruinwho made the livecd?12:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I handle all of the installer for Ubuntu12:59
FTTPkamion:  The part of the installer which installs grub :P12:59
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: so that includes grub-installer, yes12:59
dafartand now synaptic and apt-get complains about broken packages12:59
FTTPkamion:  ok............ that part should be made clearer for the end user12:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: sorry, I misread as "will you handle ..." which changed the meaning of the sentence a good deal01:00
FTTPkamion:  As to the differences between mbr and the boot01:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: please file bugs about usability issues.01:00
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FTTPkamion:  Ok01:00
FTTPkamion:  I did already01:00
FTTPi think01:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: this topic really doesn't need debate; we already intend to work on this01:00
s0cks_How self explanitory is the installer for a lifetime windows user?01:00
(mjr/#ubuntu) pretty much01:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) s0cks_: very simple01:01
s0cks_i'm converting my friend to linux.01:01
(mjr/#ubuntu) the hardest thing there is the partitioning (if you don't want to tell it to just take the whole disk)01:01
s0cks_I am used to it, he isnt01:01
eruinare the 6629-nvidia drivers heading into hoary soon?01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) *unless* they have to deal with partitioning issues01:01
FTTPkamion:  The installer is good....... the old debian installer pre sarge was difficult01:01
(mjr/#ubuntu) and that's pretty friendly too01:01
FTTPkamion:  On balance its good01:01
=== s0cks_ is planning on using disk druid
cardadoreruin: i also want to know someting about that01:01
=== calc doesn't seem much difference between the two besides hardware detection
eruincardador, I've got them installed on my other partition (fc), the performance boost is quite noticeable01:02
(Kamion/#ubuntu) mjr: partitioning's always a hard problem01:02
cardadoreruin: i heard so01:02
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s0cks_partititioning is easy01:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) some of the allegedly "friendly" partitioners are just hideous - I can't even begin to comprehend qtparted and the version in current Knoppix seems totally broken01:03
eruinpartitioning is much better in ubuntu than, say, windowsxp01:03
s0cks_I am the master of hard disks01:03
FTTPkamion : windows is harder than linux FYI01:03
FTTPgoing into fdisk is confusing01:03
s0cks_lol01:03
s0cks_no it isnt01:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm not particularly impressed with the XP installer, certainly01:03
s0cks_Im used to fdisk and disk druif01:03
s0cks_d*01:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: dude, the XP installer really sucks, dunno if you've tried it recently01:04
s0cks_Yeah01:04
s0cks_I did it three weeks ago01:04
cardadorKamion: and after installing it, you need to deal with blaster and co01:04
s0cks_for the thousanth time.01:04
FTTPkamion:  with xp u need to go into fdisk still?01:04
s0cks_it autoexecs fdisk01:04
FTTPi dont even remember, i didnt partition my drive01:04
s0cks_hidden to the user.01:04
calcwell at least windows fdisks shows in MB not stupid IEEE MB01:04
eruinFTTP, no, you dont need that with ubuntu either. but the partitioning tool in xp is quite infantile01:04
FTTPoh01:05
s0cks_wtf is an ieee mb?01:05
FTTPok01:05
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) it has a fairly crappy interactive partitioner as its very first stage01:05
=== calc really dislikes the new installers partitioning tool
(Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: it's got wildly mixed reactions; love/hate01:05
s0cks_USE DISK DRUID01:05
cardadorwhat happened to gparted?01:05
calcs0cks_: 1,000,000 bytes instead of 1,048,57601:05
s0cks_Jesus, it isnt that hard.01:05
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(jdub/#ubuntu) Kamion: a couple of additional top-level simple paritioning choices would be handy -> "use free space" (only in the menu if there's enough free space) and "make room for ubuntu" (resize windows partition, etc)01:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: that's enough of that thank you01:05
calcKamion: also unless its fixed recently it didn't seem to be very accurate either01:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: see hoary for the first01:05
(jdub/#ubuntu) Kamion: sweet.01:06
eruinisn't that 1,024 ?01:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: the second was impossible until hoary; guess we could, although it's a bit scary01:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) Kamion: and you've got that ntfs resize thing in there already, but not the menu item?01:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: right01:06
s0cks_kamion : Im tellin you man. Compile a seperate installer.01:06
calcs0cks_: i typically use regular fdisk with cylinder counts now, since it also converted to ieee mb format01:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: thanks but no thanks01:06
calceruin: 1 KB has been redefined to be 1000 bytes01:06
eruinthat'd be the day01:06
calcand yes has been redefined as no01:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: blame stupid standards bodies and hard disk manufacturers01:07
calcKamion: no reason for linux to follow them01:07
calcnothing else does01:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) also, argue with Anton :-)01:07
s0cks_calc : Confusing for the dual booters out there.01:07
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calcKamion: i already argued with util-linux upstream and he found out fdisk wasn't fubar already and "fixed" it too01:07
eruinwell without that 1KB should be referred to as ~1KB01:08
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calccfdisk was already fubared at that time01:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: well then you're ideally qualified to argue with the partman author aren't you? ;-)01:08
calcsupporting typing in 8.0 GiB would be good enough though01:08
calcfor example01:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yes, I'd be happy with that, might be easy enough01:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) even though the GiB terminology sucks01:09
(geppy/#ubuntu) Has anyone in here tried to run GTKRadiant on Ubuntu?01:09
s0cks_I prefer percent disk space partitioners.01:09
calcas it is if you want the real base 2 sizes you have to use fdisk in cylinder mode01:09
eruinI want computers to die and one GB to be 1,000,000,000 bytes01:09
calceruin: already is in linux, you're safe :)01:09
eruinblasted :p01:09
s0cks_All the 40gb drives out there are like 39.5 anyways.01:09
calcunless you have 1GB of ram, etc01:10
s0cks_Just deal with it and go percent partitioners.01:10
calctake the extra 80MB and throw it away01:10
eruinhell01:10
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: you can type percentages at partman quite happily01:10
eruinI have 120GB unused space on my main sata01:10
eruin:P01:10
eruindon't need it01:10
calcluckily df still uses base01:10
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: as the installer tells you01:10
calcer base 201:10
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Hint: Use "20%" (or "30%", etc.) for 20% (resp. 30%, etc.) of the01:10
(Kamion/#ubuntu) available free space for this partition. Use "max" as a shortcut for01:10
(Kamion/#ubuntu) the maximum allowed size.01:10
s0cks_Eruin : If you would like to rent these 120 gb.....01:10
eruins0cks_, drivespace for beer?01:11
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s0cks_lol01:11
eruinthat's gotta be corona or grolsch though01:11
eruinnot some cheapass stuff like bud01:11
eruin~water01:11
s0cks_Negative. Jack and Coke owns all beer.01:11
calcperhaps the size of K/M/G should check your locale data and if you are in the US use base 2 the europeans can use metric sizes :)01:11
eruinoh, but we boycot stuff like coke around here01:12
(mjr/#ubuntu) bah, the US should use base 2.5401:12
s0cks_~drivespace3 was horrible.01:12
(mjr/#ubuntu) would serve them right01:12
s0cks_What bootloader does Ubuntu use?01:12
eruingrub01:12
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calcmjr: we already redefined the metric prefixes to be base 2, don't need cm's ;)01:12
aaroncukhi is there a samba expert in the channel01:13
s0cks_/etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf01:13
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eruinoh great, OOo_1.9.m62_native_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz contains nothing but a bunch of rpms01:14
(housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk we are all samba experts, whats your problem?01:14
eruinI need ooo1.9 for my oot docs!01:14
(mjr/#ubuntu) I'm not01:14
(housetier/#ubuntu) mjr I count for two then :)01:14
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(ogra/#ubuntu) mjr: become one.... quick01:15
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(ogra/#ubuntu) :)01:15
aaroncuknot sure how to get it to work.. i have set it up but how do i manage my shares etc01:15
zenwhen_i wrote samba, in shorthand, on notebook paper...01:15
s0cks_/pwn!01:15
zenwhen_but RMS stole it from me and open sourced it01:15
(gen/#ubuntu) i see01:15
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(ogra/#ubuntu) hehe01:15
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(housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk how do you want to manage your shares?01:16
eruinoh gosh01:16
eruinmy digicam was handled in a great way01:16
eruinthat's it. I'm switching fulltime from fc :)01:16
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(ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: hooray......one more :)01:16
aaroncuki want to share one folder if possible.. so that windows users can add/delete files on it01:16
(housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk ok how did you set up that share?01:17
eruinnow I can use my fsck my fc partition and use it for music01:17
eruin(and I can't type properly)01:17
aaroncuki havent set it up yet01:17
aaroncuki dont know how.. only had linux for 3 days lol01:17
Sensebendeveryone started somewhere aaroncuk even the gurus where01:18
eruinshares-admin requires a password, but my password is supposedly invalid01:18
eruinthat's weird01:18
(housetier/#ubuntu) I was born omniscient ;)01:18
eruinah, shares-admin requires the ROOT password01:19
eruinshould I file a bug?01:19
(jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: sure01:19
(jdub/#ubuntu) it's a new module in gst, which we may or may not ship01:19
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: hi - I'm looking through the channel log, and you recommended this command to someone -> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 <- what does the '-plow' do?01:19
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eruinjdub, what exactly does it share? over samba?01:19
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: priotity low asks more questions01:19
(jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: yeah01:20
eruingreat stuff01:20
eruingotta ship that ;p01:20
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i.e. your hsync and vsync values for the display01:20
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(housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk I started configuration with swat, maybe that'll get you started. create an adequate directory, define a share, maybe add a forced user, reload and try01:21
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: that's good to know - tx01:21
(housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk with samba there are as many pitfalls as config settings01:21
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aaroncukcool01:21
aaroncukis swat on the apt-get thing01:22
FTTPcan someone walk me thru grub-install?01:22
FTTPi need to reinstall grub01:22
eruinjdub, err, gnome-vfs right?01:22
Gnobodyhey01:22
kgillogra you around?01:22
Gnobodyhow do I take a screenshot in Gnome?01:22
(housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk I don't know, it might. after installing you need to enable it in /etc/inetd.conf01:22
Gnobodymy screenshot program is broken in Hoary01:22
FTTPthen dont use hoary :P01:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: yup01:22
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GnobodyNO hoary pwnz otherwise01:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) housetier: no inetd .....01:23
usualhi01:23
Gnobodyis there a console command for taking screenshots?01:23
usualeveryone01:23
kgillhey like I said you do live in here :)B-P01:23
usualimport blah.jpg01:23
Gnobodyserver-wide01:23
kgillI am still having problems setting up the audio device01:23
(housetier/#ubuntu) ogra ok01:23
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: My problem is low refresh (61 Hz or so - unacceptable). I tried manually editing /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 to modify the monitor hsync and vsync values, but it doesn't seem to have changed my low refresh problem. The only way I can get a 73Hz refresh is to reduce the resolution to 640X480 (which is just too low) -- any clues on how I might hack the config file to increase refresh, or other ideas?01:23
kgilldo you have any other suggestions?01:24
(housetier/#ubuntu) I haven't used ubuntu yet myself, only debian in all of its flavors01:24
s0cksWhen is the next anticipated build of ubuntu?01:24
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) s0cks: april01:24
JStrikesabdfl : Saw the trailer for your new opensource program. Very cool01:24
FTTPxenguy:  Thats fabio's dept01:24
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: "build" or release?01:25
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FTTPxenguy:  Yeah i had low refresh too01:25
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: have you found out the name of your sound device ?01:25
s0cksEither.01:25
FTTPxenguy:  My monitor does up to 10001:25
FTTPi only got 7501:25
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: we build stuff continuously, and the hoary development tree is readable by all01:25
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) FTTP: how did you fix that?01:25
usualhow can i tell what my refresh rate is ACTUALLY at01:25
mojowhat equivalent 'prelink' engine that Ubuntu used ??01:25
(Kamion/#ubuntu) mojo: none.01:25
kgillit is not listed under lspci01:25
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) FTTP: BTW, was that 'fabio' or 'fabbione' ?01:25
kgilland the sound in built into the motherboard01:25
FTTPxenguy:  samwe01:26
FTTPerr same01:26
kgillI can lookup the chipset tho01:26
mojoKamion: arg,, I just try to find out a way to make my Cedega works, they only have solution for prelink. sigh....01:26
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill do this01:26
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) FTTP: k01:26
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FTTPxenguy:  email is fabbione01:26
FTTPhis name is fabio01:26
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: card ?01:26
FTTPxenguy:  I was speaking to him earlier on this issue01:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: if you want a CD build, see the ubuntu-users mailing list, "Subject: Array CD 1"01:27
FTTPxenguy:  they play it safe on refreshrates01:27
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: a crappy S3 Trio (but I know it does better than 61Hz in X3 for example)01:27
FTTPxenguy i dont even understand it fully01:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: I announce those fairly frequently01:27
(jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: hrm?01:27
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: which driver did you choose ?01:27
FTTPogra:  you can manually create your own config files tho01:27
usualhow can i tell what my refresh rate is ACTUALLY at01:27
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(Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, sed didnt fix for me01:28
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: vesa (I hacked that manually; ubuntu was trying something that did not work)01:28
FTTPogra:  The refresh rate mechanism for monitors does need improvement01:28
FTTPogra:  Or at least a fallback01:28
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP..... please01:28
JStrikesabdfl : Combine that with Ubuntu and your Carte Blanche episode, you really are getting the message across01:28
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FTTPogra:  what?01:28
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: there is a s3 driver that is accelerated....01:28
zenwhenis anyone else having issues wiht aim?01:29
FTTPogra:  they are already testing a new mechanism01:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: describe?01:29
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(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP let me support Xenguy01:29
FTTPogra:  The newer x.org ones01:29
kgillogra: it has a  16-bit, integrated Plug and Play Crystal CS4236B01:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: check the version carefully01:29
FTTPogra:  ok01:29
(gen/#ubuntu) yes zenwhen01:29
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: I'm listening :-)01:29
zenwhendamn01:29
kgillbased on the Sound Blaster Pro01:29
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i'm digging :)01:29
(gen/#ubuntu) haven't been able to get on for 5+ minutes01:29
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, i try to upgrade.....i still get a sed error01:29
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) hehe01:29
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: s3virge is the name :)01:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: on a hunch, please try 'sudo rm -f /usr/share/info/sed.info'01:30
eruinis there a tool to convert rpms to debs ?01:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: alien01:30
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: try this one01:30
eruinKamion, usable?01:30
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, got nothing01:30
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: ahh, OK - I believe I tried that one, and it didn't work with my card unfortunately :-(01:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: no output? fine. try upgrading again01:30
farruinnhow does one add programs to the gnome menus?  update-menus doesn't seem to do it all the time...01:31
(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: should be, it's pretty mature01:31
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: thanks.... its sometimes hard to keep the concentration01:31
eruinKamion, k, cheers :)01:31
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: there was one other driver that was suggested I might try - maybe I should go back and try that too01:31
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: svga01:31
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) Kamion, still same error, synaptic shows "sed 4.1.2-2"01:31
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: yes, that's the one01:32
(gen/#ubuntu) gwildor, do you have the warty cd available01:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: vesa is the slowest choice...but works always,,,,,01:32
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) gen, i do01:32
(gen/#ubuntu) you can copy the old one to home, then dpkg -i01:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: sudo modprobe snd-cs423601:32
(gen/#ubuntu) (from the cd)01:32
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: ahh, OK. Now there is still the issue that with X3 I was able to get a better refresh - I wonder if there is a way to hack the X4 config file to get better refresh rate?01:33
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(Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, you agree?01:33
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: that's old01:33
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: 4.1.2-4 is current01:33
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: 4.1.2-2 is known to be broken.01:33
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: first take the faster driver.... it will change your abilitys01:33
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: if it works ;-) OK I'll see if it does01:33
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(gen/#ubuntu) it works gwildor, did it last night when sed was broken in hoary01:34
pinkeehello01:34
kgillogra it comes back w/ unable to lookup comp name via gethostname()01:34
(ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: try it.... :)01:34
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: what does: hostname01:34
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) gen, kk, ill do that then, then upgrade to the new one01:34
(gen/#ubuntu) its in pool/main/s01:34
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: OK I will a little later (PC is in use ATM and I have to reboot into ubuntu)01:35
(gen/#ubuntu) then /sed of course01:35
pinkeei installed ubuntu today, and i want to know what to add to apt/sources.list to get universal.01:35
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kgillgnomemeeting "computername"01:35
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FTTPpinkee:  Nothing01:35
FTTPpinkee:  Just check the universal sources01:35
(ogra/#ubuntu) pinkee: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto01:35
FTTPpinkee:  They are unchecked01:35
FTTPbut they are there :)01:35
dafartpinkee, do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources"01:35
FTTPdafart no need01:36
FTTPthe sources are there already01:36
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) can i enable "hold backspace and it delete the whole massage, instead of just one char?01:36
FTTPin synaptic01:36
dafartand uncomment the "#" in front of the universe / multiverse entries01:36
dafartFTTP, no01:36
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: in a terminal ?01:36
(gen/#ubuntu) defart is correct01:36
kgillyes01:36
pinkeecheck them where?01:36
FTTPgen:  We are both correct01:36
FTTPgen:  there are 2 ways to do it01:36
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dafartsynaptic uses /etc/apt/sources01:36
FTTPgen:  You can check em in synaptic01:36
(gen/#ubuntu) gui is no fun01:37
FTTPor you can use dafarts way your choice :)01:37
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: it really says gnomemeeting "computername" ??01:37
dafartpinkee, check them with an editor like gedit01:37
FTTPmine is the gui easier way01:37
dafartsudo gedit /etc/apt/sources01:37
pinkeeok.01:37
pinkeethanks01:37
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FTTPpinkee u in synaptic now?01:37
kgillogra: it says sudo: unable to lookup gnomemeeting via gethostname()01:37
dafartFTTP, synaptic won't use universe/multiverse when they're still commented in /etc/apt/sources01:38
FTTPdafart:  I didnt uncomment em and i got files from universe01:38
FTTPdafart:  Trust me it works, i got my apc ups software from universe without uncommenting01:38
MaFioZoXhi01:38
FTTPwithout doing your step i mean01:38
MaFioZoXfeel?01:38
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) can i enable "hold backspace and it delete the whole massage, instead of just one char?"01:38
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FTTPdafart:  if you like text then use normal debian :)01:39
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 ..... complains about gnomemeeting ?01:39
FTTPhehe01:39
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) fttp, is that a no?01:39
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dafartI use gentoo, debian, slackware and am just giving ubuntu a try01:39
(gen/#ubuntu) gwildor, did you get the 4.1.2-1 package01:39
FTTPgwildor:  Debian is better if your a commandline guy01:39
kgillogra yes gnomemeeting is also the name of the computer I can change that if it will make it easier01:39
dafartand thinking of trying yoper as well one day01:39
FTTPgwildor:  I like GUI so ubuntu is nicer01:39
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) gen, i am upgrading now01:39
(gen/#ubuntu) k01:40
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: lol, no....01:40
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) fttp, i am talking in xchat even01:40
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) FTTP, i mean can i enable it in xchat?01:40
FTTPenable what?01:40
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: havent thought that it could be the name.....its also a program01:40
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: was a bit confusing01:40
kgillogra sorry  Im setting up this comp to test out gnomemeeting for accessability01:41
(Gwildor/#ubuntu) fttp, when i HOLD Backspace, only 1 charachter gets deleted, i wont HOLD to continue oin with the rest of the message01:41
Gnobodyis there anyway to use my Sony NetMD in linux?01:41
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dafart## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'01:41
dafart## repository.01:41
dafart## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu01:41
dafart## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to01:41
dafart## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in01:41
dafart## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security01:41
kgillMy project here in hawaii is putting on an international conferance to make linux accessable01:41
dafart## team.01:41
dafartdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe01:41
dafartdeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe01:41
dafartpinkee,01:41
Gnobodykgill are you using hoary?01:41
dafartit's /etc/apt/sources.list01:41
kgillI do windows and mac accessability and now learning linux to do the same01:42
kgillGnobody: yes01:42
FTTPjust sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list01:42
Gnobodyrestart your x-server and you backspace will work again it is bug01:42
FTTPeasiest way01:42
GnobodyI found it yesterday01:42
FTTPalthough u can just go to repositories i think it is and check em off :P01:43
FTTPin synaptic :)01:43
FTTPheh01:43
FTTPgnobody prolly reported01:43
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: hmm, does ifconfig show a lo interface ?01:44
ChibiBleh, not getting anywhere on the forums with this. :/01:44
pinkeedafart: i know01:44
pinkeei am not a newbie01:44
FTTPis there a package so debian can use redhat rpm's?01:44
pinkeei am just not familiar with ubuntu01:44
usualalien01:44
kgillogra: yes and I am not sure what a lo interface is01:44
FTTPerr i mean ubuntu01:44
(ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: alien01:44
pinkeealien01:44
usualbut don't do it01:45
Chibialien01:45
ChibiD:01:45
usualget the source01:45
usualbuild a deb01:45
FTTPthanks thanks thanks01:45
kgillogra: it also has the standered eth001:45
Chibialien is dangerous01:45
FTTP:)01:45
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FTTPoh01:45
usualFTTP, don't01:45
FTTPwell yeah i usually can get the .bin01:45
FTTPbut its a pain to install01:45
FTTPthere has to be an easier way01:45
Gwildorwoot, made it thru another X restart....always so afraid i broke it01:45
usualbuild a deb01:45
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: local loopback... lots of services interact over it01:45
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: thats ok...this error is weird.....01:46
(BrittBS/#ubuntu) anyone know of a free tool to convert motion jpeg->mpeg2?01:46
kgillogra: :) that is why I am here ;)01:46
(ogra/#ubuntu) BrittBS: dunno if kino can do it (video editing SW)01:46
ChibiErrr... static image to an audio/video file? o_O01:46
Gwildorgot my backspace key working like i want too01:47
(BrittBS/#ubuntu) ogra, checking it out01:47
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riffici think hoary broke my gnome01:48
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i suspect there is something wrong with your system i cant locate esp. as you are on hoary.....01:48
rifficwhen gnome loads everything hard locks01:49
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: are there _any_ modules listed if you do lsmod ?01:49
kgillogra: it has loads01:50
usualhmmmm01:50
usualxchat logs like this would be cool01:50
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usualany log01:50
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: strange.....01:50
kgillogra: and it has many like snd_cs423601:51
usualhttp://colin.homeunix.org/xchat.mpeg01:51
usualwouldn't that be cool for logs01:51
usualhaha01:51
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: so snd_cs4236 is listed there......is there also a snd_mixer_oss ?01:52
cerebrixso anyone in here an expert in getting sound working?  im still a total newbie when it comes to linux so if someone has some time pm me ok?  thank you =)01:52
kgillogra: yes01:52
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: so does your sound probably work alredy ?01:53
(ogra/#ubuntu) +a01:53
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kgillogra: nope01:53
kgill+a?01:53
(ogra/#ubuntu) already01:53
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maurihi01:54
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill i addet the missing a01:54
kgillic sorry01:54
(ogra/#ubuntu) :)01:54
eruinwhat's up with antialiasing in ubuntu/hoary?01:55
rifficcan someone help? i get a hard lock when gnome loads, failsafe locks too01:55
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eruindoesn't seem to be happening, at leastnot until font-size 1301:55
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: post the output to flood: lsmod|grep snd01:55
kgillwell, if you look at http://www.freestandards.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=61 you can see helping me out is doing a good thing for the linux comunity :)01:55
mauriehmm you guys have issues with screen savers freezing ubuntu.  Twice now and the second time when I went to select a diff screen saver.01:55
Chibieruin- Not sure, It's fine on my side. There were some x packages just updated, though01:55
mauriI can't even ssh in, isn't ssh part of the default install?01:56
kgillogra: ok01:56
usualcheck01:56
usualdpkg -l|grep ssh01:56
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NewComeranyone aware of a firefox theme with Gorilla icons?01:56
ChibiYes01:57
usualno, but the industrial theme is great01:57
cerebrixNewComer: mars01:57
ChibiI have one installed right now :D01:57
Chibimars has gorillized buttons01:57
NewComerChibi, seriously01:57
eruinChibi, http://appelsinjuice.org/dokk.png that's the kind of antialiasing i*m used to... what I see on my screen now seems more windows xp-ish01:57
kgillogra: I am also not getting sound out of Desktop press. sound01:58
ChibiHave you tried /changing/ the antialiasing settings? :P01:58
usualChibi, where are those01:59
eruinyeah :P01:59
(erik/#ubuntu) hey, is there any easy way to mount an NTFS volume with captive and warty?01:59
(erik/#ubuntu) I've got a not-very-linux-veteraney friend who's trying to and I don't want to direct him to dicking around in fstab01:59
ChibiAre you sure it's not your font? o_O01:59
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i worked 10 years with handicapped people before it became an IT guy :)01:59
usualChibi, where are the aa settings01:59
eruinChibi, not sure.. I've simply copied over my ~/.fonts folder from my fedora install02:00
ChibiGnome has a dialog for changing them called 'Fonts'02:00
eruinthat could well be the problem.. what's the preferred way of installing fonts on ubuntu?02:00
NewComercerebrix, Chibi: any links? googling doesnt seem to help02:00
Gnobodywhere do removeable storage devices show up when you plug them in?02:00
(erik/#ubuntu) Gnobody: /media02:00
ChibiJust a sec, newcomer02:00
Gnobodyty02:00
mauriI to say it but your ppc version really needs work.02:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: ~/fonts02:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: ~/.fonts02:00
eruineek02:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I mean02:01
kgillgreat  I am a it guy helping the disabled. I guess I left off where you stoped ;) but just don't know linux well enough02:01
cerebrixNewComer: i found this at the ubuntu forums, sec ill find you a link02:01
eruinGammaRay: yeah, just drop the ttf fonts int here02:01
eruin?02:01
Chibieruin- you might want to run the font cacheing thing.02:01
eruinChibi, how? ;)02:01
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: hehe.... great02:01
ChibiNot sure, I've never used it before, I only use TrueType fonts.02:01
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: you'll get used to it.....02:01
cerebrixNewComer: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5212&highlight=mars02:01
eruinChibi, yeah using my windows ttf fonts02:02
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: yep02:02
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NewComercerebrix, thx02:02
ChibiWell, I don't remember how windows AA looks, really. :/02:02
eruinChibi, horrible02:03
ChibiAre the edges colored?02:03
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eruinI can't live without it ;P02:03
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) have you guys seen raph levien's font-focusing stuff?02:03
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) it's genius02:03
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) he basically uses standard photographic techniques to sharpen the font02:03
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) even on a flat panel monitor.. AA fonts just make things blurry imho02:04
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) GammaRay: I use subpixel on an LCD02:04
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) works great02:04
(housetier/#ubuntu) focusing on the monitor works better02:04
ChibiGamma- That's the point of Anti-Aliasing. It's supposed to make things look smooth rather than hard-edged.02:04
(housetier/#ubuntu) and it it doesn't any cpu cycles whatsoever02:04
kgillogra: I hope so02:05
(jdub/#ubuntu) housetier: ?!02:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: well I like sharp rather than "smooth"02:05
vothcan anyone rec. a better repository than the one used by default ?02:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: I tried all the settings in the font dialog, and I found none that I liked02:05
ChibiHeh, I know what you mean. :P02:05
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) heh02:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: except, no AA ofcourse02:05
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I don't like the jagged staircase stuff that normal X fonts do02:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: that is the fonts and freetype02:06
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: will you send your output of lsmod|grep snd to #flood ?02:06
ChibiTrue-Type fonts weren't designed to be used without antialiasing.02:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) w/ good fonts and the bytecode interperter on, X fonts look easily as good as windows w/out AA02:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ubuntu seems to leave the bytecode interperter on btw..02:07
ChibiYep. But we're talking about windows fonts on X. Not legacy X fonts.02:07
kgillogra: what is #flood02:07
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: join #flood02:08
socommkgill: an IRC channel dedicated to flooders.02:08
ChibiI couldn't live without Arial Unicode, for example. D:02:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: you can choose AA on a per font basis02:08
kgillok great02:08
ChibiLazy.02:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) my lazy default is "avoid fonts that look bad w/out AA"02:09
ChibiI have X fonts set to no AA, and ttf to basic AA02:09
socommkgill: usually used to paste config files, or large text messages.02:09
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: /etc/fonts/local.conf02:09
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cerebrixhey being new to the linux thing, whats better to ask for help in?  the forums or the listserv?02:09
kgillok in there now02:09
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: I think you can even place a config file in your home dir02:10
kgilljust do a past or should I tell the group what I am doing?02:10
Chibicerebix- Mailinglist for most things.02:10
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: just paste02:10
cerebrixChibi: thanks =)02:10
ChibiYou'll usually get answered faster because we all have mail notifiers. :P02:10
kgillok done02:10
ChibiAnd the real guru's all hang out in the console or emacs. most webforums crap out on text-mode browsers.02:11
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: you forgot the |grep snd :)02:12
socommcerebrix: http://www.google.com/linux02:12
kgilldarn02:12
kgillsorry02:12
(ogra/#ubuntu) hehe02:12
(ogra/#ubuntu) np02:12
eruineep, can anyone guide me to running fontcache?02:12
(ogra/#ubuntu) the first lines show it all....02:12
eruinguess I'm headed for an x restart ;)02:13
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NewComercerebrix, noticed that it doesn't follow the gtk theme? aside from the tabs thing02:14
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: the order seems a little strange, but else it looks ok.....02:15
kgillthats weird02:15
(jdub/#ubuntu) erik: hrm?02:16
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: does the volume control keep the setting if you adjust it, or does it flip back to zero ?02:16
kgillit keeps flipping back to zero02:16
(ogra/#ubuntu) jdub: too slow....02:16
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss02:19
dafarthow do I tell apt-get that one of the packages it assumes is broken is NOT broken in fact02:19
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(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: hmm, are you sure....02:20
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(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: which package ?02:20
kgillogra same error as before02:21
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eruinokaay. I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales, made sure only norwegian locales are there, but my gnome is still in danish (well, a weird mix of norwegian and danish) and XCHAT is in SWEDISH! what's up?02:21
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: ive seen it.....02:21
dafartI installed amule for amd64 using sudo dpkg --install --ignore-depends=libwxbase2.4 --ignore-depends=libwxgtk2.4 amule_1.2.6+rc7-1_amd64.deb02:21
dafartnow apt-get assumes it's broken02:21
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: --ignore-depends ?02:21
dafartand removes it everytime I use apot-get or synaptic02:21
dafartyes02:21
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: so it probably _is_ broken :)02:22
dafartno02:22
dafartit works fine02:22
eruinif you have to ignore-depends...02:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: its missing a package dependency.....so it is broken02:22
dafart amule is afhankelijk van libwxbase2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6); maar:02:22
dafart  Versie van libwxbase2.4 op het systeem is 2.4.2.4ubuntu1.02:22
dafart amule is afhankelijk van libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6); maar:02:22
dafart  Versie van libwxgtk2.4 op het systeem is 2.4.2.4ubuntu1.02:22
dafartin case you know dutch02:22
dafartonly thing is'02:22
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: dont flood here02:22
usualeven linux has it's stupid errors02:22
dafartlol02:22
usual/var/log/apache/access.log not a log file.02:22
dafartthat's not flood02:22
dafartthat's verbose from dpkg02:23
dafartso02:23
eruinanyone know how I can force ubuntu NOT to utilize locales I haven't even installed?02:23
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: 2.4.2.6 != 2.4.2.402:23
eruineven less made default?02:23
dafartit looks for libwxbase2.4 but finds 2.4.2.4ubuntu102:23
dafartand it simply works02:24
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: there is no 2.4.2.6 in warty.....02:24
dafartbut apt-get assumes it doesn't work02:24
dafartI know02:24
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dafartnonetheless, ignoring makes it install just fine02:24
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: apt-get is probably right...did you test _all_ functionallity over a long time period :)02:25
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(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: apt-get is for keeping your system clean and healthy02:25
eruinthe whole POINT of apt-get is to satisfy dependencies02:25
dafartno, all I need for now is to have apt-get not assume it to be broken02:25
eruinand you BROKE that02:25
eruinjees02:25
dafart'you know how to fix that?02:25
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(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: so it takes the commands the package maintainer gave the package for real :)02:25
dafartobviously02:26
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: get a amule package for 2.4.2.4 :)02:26
dafartI would if there was one02:26
dafartfor amd6402:26
dafartbut obviously there is none02:27
dafartexcept a debian unstable package02:27
dafartetc etc02:27
dafartdoes anyone know how to configure apt-get not to assume it to be broken?02:27
dafartsince that was my initial question02:27
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: is there a source repository for the pkg ?02:27
dafarthaven't found it02:28
(erik/#ubuntu) is openoffice.org in hoary amd64 re-gtkized? warty oo.o amd64 is ugly :(02:28
eruinlol02:28
EvilOverlorddafart, its been years since I used apt-get so don't quote me, but I believe there is a way to specifiy to install without dependancies.02:28
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FTTPanyone familiar with grub-install?02:28
dafartyes, I used that way02:29
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: what about the control ?02:29
dafartbut now apt-get complains about the package to be broken02:29
eruinI have an apt-get output in synaptic that first uses english, then norwegian nynorsk, then english, then to finish off the confusion, it spits out danish02:29
dafartand uninstalls it everytime I use apt-get or synaptic or aptitude or whatever02:29
eruinI don't HAVE danish installed02:29
eruindoes ANYONE here know what's up with hoary and locales?02:29
FTTPlinux RUINED my XP02:30
FTTPdoh02:30
FTTPerrr more like XP ruined my linux :P02:30
FTTPhehe02:30
kgillogra: control?02:30
(ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: its hoary :)02:30
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kgillin system prefs?02:30
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: volume control02:30
vothhow do i change repositories ?02:30
eruinogra, locales can't be thaat broken02:31
kgillogra: keeps going to zero02:31
(ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: in hoary everything is reworked to utf-8 locales must be broken for a while :)02:31
eruinogra, yeah, that's fair enough, but using locales that ain't even installed is a bit freaky02:32
(ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: hehe....02:32
eruinand a different locale for just about every app is just downright annoying ;P02:32
(jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'02:33
eruinI have02:33
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(jdub/#ubuntu) and chosen...?02:33
eruinonly my very own utf8 locale is installed, and it's default02:33
eruinnb_NO02:33
riffici seem to be having a problem with nautilus and hoary02:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) nb_NO.UTF-8, right?02:33
eruinyeah02:33
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) norway is always a protest02:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: what's in your /etc/environment and /etc/locale.gen?02:34
danielseruin: yeah, I know what the problem is02:34
danielsit's a bug in X.Org, I found out what it was today (finally), fixed it02:34
eruindaniels, apart from me being a newbie ubuntu user?02:34
eruinwahoo!02:34
s0cksI want my CDs to show up already :P02:34
eruin:)02:34
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i guess you have to adjust some module options for your ISA soundcard, but i have no clue about the values....02:34
danielsjdub: i assume he means the bug in xlibs-data whereby every X app ever would spit out 'HFS MAN WTF IS THIS LOCALE' on UTF-8 locales02:35
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kgillok thank you for all your help02:35
(jdub/#ubuntu) heh02:35
(jdub/#ubuntu) rocking02:35
eruinjdub, hum, lots of variants of my own locale for language, plus; eh, "da", "sv" and english02:35
danielsjdub: yeah, really ill02:35
kgillogra: do you worlk for ubuntu?02:35
eruinlang is the one I set in dpkg-reconfigure02:35
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(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: nope.....02:35
kgillogra: or is this a hang out spot for you02:36
eruinjdub, I did set LANGUAGE to nb_NO only before starting gdm though02:36
xxorris ubuntu stable yet ?02:36
(ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i simply love ubuntu...02:36
eruindaniels, when can I expect a fixed xorg in hoary? :)02:37
(jdub/#ubuntu) xxorr: the ubuntu 4.10 (warty warthog) release came out in october.02:37
xxorrogra: yeah , debian is sweet02:37
(ogra/#ubuntu) xxorr: warty is the stable release02:37
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usualeruin, what is wrong with xorg in hoary02:37
kgilloga: hehe ohwell thankx for everything bye02:37
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eruinusual, locale issues according to daniels02:37
socommUbuntu? Think I've heard of that distro.02:37
xxorrogra: you know ubuntu is debian based right ? =] 02:37
usualok, i just upgraded again today (xorg)02:37
(ogra/#ubuntu) xxorr: yep02:38
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FTTPare there any bootloaders other than grub + lilo?02:38
FTTPfor linux that are worth their weight?02:38
FTTPanything in sourceforge or anything?02:38
eruinnot really02:39
FTTPgrub isnt good02:39
eruingrub is excellent ;)02:39
FTTPeruin not for me02:39
eruinrestart02:39
FTTPkeeps messing up everything02:40
FTTPeruin maybe grub2 will be better02:40
FTTPif there was a replacement i would swap it02:40
dafartlilo02:41
dafartbut that won't work on amd6402:41
dafart:(02:41
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dafartit is NOT broken02:41
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usualdafart, what is it saying is broken02:42
FTTPif grub is the best for now, then thats not saying much :P02:42
masshi! can ubuntu be installed on a software striped raid?02:42
usualI like grub02:42
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I happen to like lilo better02:42
dafartsomething I installed with dpkg --install --ignore-depends=02:42
usualdafart, what is it02:43
FTTPgammaray for what reason?02:43
dafartamule for amd6402:43
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: a> simplier b) does not rely on a config file existing on an hdd at boot02:44
usualamule - aNOTHER eMule P2P Client02:44
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socommhttp://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/bootloaders/02:45
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: did you try another mule ? i.e. is there a xmule package for amd64 in ubuntu02:45
FTTPsocomm i found this one:  http://lwn.net/Articles/89772/02:45
FTTPgood article02:46
dafartno way I'm gonna use xmule02:46
FTTPexplains pros and cons02:46
dafartread the fora a bit02:46
FTTPsocomm yeah yours is newer i think02:46
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: ?? whats wrong with it ?02:46
dafartand amule is much neater02:46
dafartalso runs in cmd mode02:46
usualcompile your own package02:46
FTTPJune 16, 200402:46
FTTPnope guess not02:46
FTTPmine was newer :P02:46
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: mldonkey ?02:47
dafartusual, I keep getting errors about wxGTK not being installed02:47
dafartit can't find wx-config02:47
dafartand neither can I02:47
FTTPGRUB is, according to its developers, alpha-quality software. Use at your own risk.02:47
ChibiThen install wmgtk, you nut D:02:47
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usuallibwxgtk2.4-dev02:47
dafartyeah yeah02:47
dafartetc02:47
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ChibiGrub is fine.02:47
socommdafart: you need the wxgtk-dev02:47
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usualdafart, install the dev package of it02:47
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usuallibwxgtk2.4-dev libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev02:48
masssorry, my client crashed, so I have to ask again - does ubuntu support  creation of and installation onto a software striped raid?02:48
FTTPchibi:  Grub is better but its still not stable with windows xp02:48
usualFTTP, I have to disagree02:48
ChibiGrub is better with windows than Lilo is.02:48
Chibi:/02:48
usualFTTP, I have bene using grub with XP for quite some time02:48
socommusual: your right to disagree has been stripped.02:49
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FTTPusual:  i installed 2 distributions of linux, each one killed my boot partition02:49
usualsocomm, how do you figure02:49
FTTPboth were grub02:49
socommusual: forget it.02:49
FTTPi never ever ever lost my windows boot partition02:49
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usualFTTP, thats what grub does02:49
usualthe MBR?02:50
Mojo_Jojohey, I was wondering why when I can sometimes see my windows shares, it only seems to work when it wants too :/02:50
FTTPusual, each one had problems with booting into windows02:50
FTTPone got the file corrupted02:50
FTTPgrub is definitely not stable02:50
ChibiIf you install something onto the boot record, the thing that was there before will be overwritten.02:50
usuali have never had those issues02:50
ChibiIt's common sense. D:02:50
usual:(02:50
FTTPchibi:  No i mean the grub bootloader installed02:50
usualhow can grub currupt an XP boot file?02:50
FTTPusual:  The grub corrupted the grub02:51
FTTPits unstable02:51
(ogra/#ubuntu) usual: nobody had if he didnt play around with grub.....02:51
usualwow , never seen that happen02:51
socommusual: by exposing it to kitty pr0n.02:51
FTTPusual:  Happens with novel desktop linux 902:51
usualFTTP, I have used grub with countless dists with XP dual boot02:51
FTTPusual:  and with ubuntu it corrupted my hd as well02:51
usualnever had an issue02:51
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masssocomm: meow?02:51
FTTPusual:  Do you dual boot windows xp and linux?  it seems to be a common problem02:52
usualyes i do02:52
FTTPusual:  Alot of people have the same issue as me02:52
Chibi'corrupted your harddrive'?02:52
usuali dunno why02:52
FTTPchibi:  caused errors on my hd02:52
rajI am ready to spend $30-40 bucks on wifi card that works with ubuntu. Can anyone suggest a decent card?02:52
ChibiThat isn't very sensible. :/02:52
FTTPchibi:  I had to use chkdsk to fix it and the windows recovery02:52
masswow, are decent wifi cards really that cheap now?02:53
FTTPchibi:  Something was up02:53
ChibiIt's windows fault, not grub's :P02:53
FTTPchibi:  it could be due to certain configs or something02:53
FTTPchibi:  It needs to be fixed :)02:53
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FTTPhopefully grub2 will fix it02:53
ChibiWindows will never be fixed. :P02:54
FTTPno not windows02:54
FTTPthe bootloader needs to work better with windows02:54
ChibiNo no no. Windows needs to work better with the bootloader.02:54
Chibi:D02:54
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dafartfuck windows02:54
dafartshiteating bastards02:54
FTTPchibi:  It could be due to lba or something02:54
FTTPchibi:  I dont know02:54
FTTPchibi:  Could be a kernel problem too02:54
(ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: please watch your words....02:54
pepsieat my pants02:55
dafartamen02:55
ChibiIt's windows >O!02:55
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FTTPchibi:  no02:55
FTTPchibi:  I dont know :) just has to be fixed02:55
socommdafart: Watch that `w' word.02:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) dafart: keep it civilised please02:55
FTTPchibi:  so i can dual boot02:55
FTTPwith no issues02:55
dafart?02:55
pepsi:P02:56
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: the problems here are not necessarily grub's fault. you've mentioned quite a few variables there. grub, in general, handles multiple OS booting issues very well.02:56
dafartwhat a usefull lagging script messages02:56
dafartbtw the dev version seems to work fine02:56
ChibiYes, dafart. Be polite! 'sexual penertation disgusting operating system!' 'anal body waste consuming fatherless children!'02:56
dafartbut ubuntu by default doesn't have a gtk1.2 dev version installed as well02:56
FTTPjdub:  not sure........... had bad issues with lilo tho with slackware back in the days02:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) Chibi: that's not helpful. don't.02:57
ChibiHehe. :P02:57
dafartpolite towards who?02:57
FTTPjdub:  like i would get all these weird characters on my screen and would have to reboot02:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) dafart: by default, there are no -dev packages, nor gtk+ 1.2 packages at all.02:57
FTTPjdub:  That was with lilo way back when02:57
FTTPSince I installed Ubuntu I have had slowness/tons of issues in my system when using02:57
FTTPWindows XP with it appearing to boot up ok but then the system becomes non02:57
FTTPresponsive.    If I replace the mbr with windows the problem clears up.  It appears as02:57
FTTPthough something happens which causes problems with Windows XP.02:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: we're not talking about lilo.02:58
FTTPjdub:  Right but it appears to be bootloader related02:58
ChibiFTTP- I've had that happen without touching another operating system. It's a windows problem, I'm telling you :o02:58
FTTPjdub:  Its as if by changing the bootloader windows has issues02:58
(jdub/#ubuntu) Chibi: it's not appreciated, even as a joke.02:58
FTTPand the reason is due to the mbr getting corrupted02:59
ChibiHey hey now, I was just helping dafart tone down. :/02:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: the bootloader *replaces* the mbr. there are plenty of variables there.02:59
FTTPjdub:   ok well wheres the issue?02:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) Chibi: regardless, you were continuing it unnecessarily02:59
FTTPjdub:  I mean other than the bootloader what could be the issue?02:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: i don't know dude, you've mentioned a *lot* of variables03:00
[SPD] RalphNadercan't you just clear the mbr then put lilo in?03:00
FTTPjdub:  All I know is since I installed ubuntu i had windows problems, fixed the mbr and ran a chkdsk and redid the bootcfg to default blah blah and now its working fine with windows, HOWEVER i dont have linux working yet03:00
FTTPcause of grub, im afraid it will mess up my partition again03:01
[SPD] RalphNaderfttp, use lilo03:01
[SPD] RalphNaderI've seen grub cause issues with lots of different things03:01
[SPD] RalphNaderesp raid arrays03:01
FTTPralphnader:  i dont have raid03:01
[SPD] RalphNadernot the point03:01
FTTPralphnader:   2 hds on eide03:01
[SPD] RalphNaderjust saying03:01
[SPD] RalphNaderI know a guy who borked his raid controller using grub03:02
[SPD] RalphNaderof course thats his story03:02
[SPD] RalphNaderbut I put lilo on for him and it worked fine03:02
[SPD] RalphNadercould be user error03:02
[SPD] RalphNaderbut I steer clear of grub03:02
FTTPalot of people on here disagree with you :P03:02
FTTPbut grub is still considered alpha quality03:02
[SPD] RalphNaderheh03:02
FTTPneed more stable grub03:02
[SPD] RalphNaderwell that's their prerogative, of course03:02
[SPD] RalphNaderbut I've personally had problems with grun03:03
[SPD] RalphNaderer03:03
[SPD] RalphNadergrub03:03
[SPD] RalphNaderand none with lilo03:03
pepsihrm03:03
pepsitime for grub03:03
pepsibbl03:03
dafartw00t sensitive people here03:03
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dafartanyone using amd64?03:03
(erik/#ubuntu) install the i am03:03
(erik/#ubuntu) asontuha03:03
(erik/#ubuntu) ahem03:03
(erik/#ubuntu) I am03:03
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dafartI'll make a .deb for amule cvs for ubuntu on amd6403:04
[SPD] RalphNaderso I've been told that ubuntu is the stuff03:04
dafartin case someone wants to try it out03:04
(erik/#ubuntu) dafart: what's amule?03:04
FTTPralphnader:  Im gonna try grub one more time03:04
[SPD] RalphNaderI run SuSE currently... thinking of trying ubuntu out03:04
dafartp2p client03:04
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat do you guys like about it?03:04
[SPD] RalphNadernever heard of amule03:04
calcits debian :)03:04
[SPD] RalphNaderemule03:04
dafartemule fork03:05
[SPD] RalphNaderforked up emule?03:05
[SPD] RalphNaderlol03:05
dafart?03:05
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat kind of package management does ubuntu use?03:05
[SPD] RalphNaderI'm very tired of YaST03:05
[SPD] RalphNaderit's teh suck03:05
dafart.deb03:05
[SPD] RalphNaderhmmm03:05
calc[SPD] RalphNader: dpkg03:06
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dafarterik, http://www.amule.org/03:06
FTTPother than security, my windows xp pro system has been stable i must say03:06
(ogra/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: synaptic03:06
FTTPbut03:06
FTTPi hate microsofts dominance03:06
FTTPand i hate the security flaws03:06
[SPD] RalphNaderwell I had xp pro03:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: give it a rest, please03:06
calcxp has been stable for me except for the time it ate all my data03:06
pepsiheh03:07
dafartbe carefull FTTP, people seem to be picky on the subject03:07
[SPD] RalphNaderthen I tried mandrake03:07
[SPD] RalphNaderwhich is even more bloated than windows03:07
[SPD] RalphNaderI like compact03:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: meaningless03:07
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat's meaningless gamma?03:07
(jdub/#ubuntu) dudes, please take the distro discussion/flaming elsewhere03:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) mandrake can be installed in 68MB03:07
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[SPD] RalphNaderjdub, it's semi-pertinent to what I'm asking in here03:08
(ogra/#ubuntu) offtopic > #ubuntu-offtopic03:08
FTTPlol03:08
[SPD] RalphNaderwhich is what's better about ubuntu03:08
FTTPanyways enuff about msft03:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I like ubuntu but I'm not about to put up w/ meaningless bad mouthing03:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: we can determine that without the dissing.03:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) of any distro03:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hell, of anything03:09
calc[SPD] RalphNader: all dists are pretty much the same, the biggest difference being release timing, and how they are branded03:09
[SPD] RalphNaderlol I'm not badmouthing, just expressing what's steered me where I am now03:09
FTTPok i got the grub people helping me :)03:09
[SPD] RalphNaderwell when I installed mandrake I was a n00b... so to me it seemed no better than what I had03:10
[SPD] RalphNaderwhich was XP03:10
[SPD] RalphNaderI know better now03:10
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[SPD] RalphNaderI've been on SuSE 9.0 for a while... but I want something a little more compact in its default packages, and more of a standard linux03:11
[SPD] RalphNaderwhich is what I'm told ubuntu is03:11
kensai[SPD] RalphNader, thats ubuntu right03:11
[SPD] RalphNaderI'm still in the learning process... if any linux user ever gets out of that process03:11
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) iZm: lsb?03:11
calcdebian can be installed in even small space, all depends on how small you want it03:12
kensai[SPD] RalphNader, no one gets out of the learning process03:12
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calciirc a minimal debian install is between 50-100MB03:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I like less config tools, more of things just working03:12
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[SPD] RalphNaderGamma, I like the power to be there, just not sprawled all over the place03:13
(iZm/#ubuntu) I spend my days building gentoo, suse and debian servers. It is nice to come home to a relaxing distro like ubuntu. Quick and trouble free so far.03:13
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) so.. when do we get chkconfig (-;03:13
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ?03:13
[SPD] RalphNaderdo you have to do and FTP install or can you get .iso files?03:14
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calc[SPD] RalphNader: there are isos available03:15
[SPD] RalphNadergood deal03:15
calc[SPD] RalphNader: for the first cd anyway03:15
[SPD] RalphNaderlol03:15
[SPD] RalphNaderfrom what I'm hearing03:15
[SPD] RalphNaderone CD will do it03:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) which reminds me.. is there an ftp install?03:15
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat's the default desktop? gnome?03:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I have not seen any floppy images anywhere03:15
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: yes, gnome03:16
calc[SPD] RalphNader: one cd has enough to get a system up, there are other things available as well in the archive03:16
[SPD] RalphNaderI've been using KDE for some time03:16
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) kde isn't included unless you add the universe repository03:16
calctyping over ssh when you are lagged sucks03:16
[SPD] RalphNaderI tried to install gnome on SuSE and it doesn't like something about my GTK libraries03:16
kensai[SPD] RalphNader, KDE is usable in Ubuntu I've personaly tried it03:16
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) though kde isn't "supported"03:17
[SPD] RalphNaderlol03:17
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Xorg is greater than hoary? huh?03:18
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[SPD] RalphNaderI don't know what either is03:18
(jdub/#ubuntu) let's not fill the topic with crap, please03:18
(erik/#ubuntu) yeah, like how cat is greater than foo.txt03:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) erik: the context is english, not the shell03:19
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[SPD] RalphNaderwell I"m off to do some fragging03:20
danielsgreebo: DUDE!03:20
[SPD] RalphNaderthanks for your help and tips03:20
kensai[SPD] RalphNader, happy fragging03:20
[SPD] RalphNaderI'm sure I'll be back here when I actually go to install and configure :)03:20
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[SPD] RalphNaderty kens03:20
kensaiI'm seeing kde 3.3 is there in ubuntu or my eyes are telling lies?03:21
kensaiI see some 3.3 packages in apt03:21
(Gmail/#ubuntu) UdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow03:22
aaroncukhi guys... trying to run X -configure.. any ideas how lol?? i have downloaded and installed the savage driver and im trying to set it up03:23
greebodaniels, heya :)03:23
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s0cksHere to work for a while.03:24
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s0cksHey Udontknow03:25
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kgillogra: you still here03:27
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) websters has a definition for Gamma Ray the band...03:27
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Gamma%20Ray%20%28band%2903:27
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) and Ext303:29
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s0cksUgh.03:30
Gnobodydoes anybody else have a dependancy problem in hoary with kcontrol???03:30
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s0cksStill waiting for the distro to get here.03:31
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s0cksThat could take a while. And I can't really 'do' anything but hang out until that happens.03:33
Gnobodywhere is KDE 3.3.1 in hoary???03:33
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) 1 Fedora 171703:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) 2 Mandrakelinux 153603:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) 3 SUSE 132503:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) 4 MEPIS 105303:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) 5 Ubuntu 104603:34
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s0cksMandrake really is garbage. I sampled it today on my friends system.03:34
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) so is mepis03:34
calcGnobody: 3.3.1 just was finished in sid recently, someone will probably put it in hoary eventually03:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) so id suse03:35
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) so is fedora03:35
(Gmail/#ubuntu) ...03:35
(neill/#ubuntu) Gmail: what are those numbers?03:35
Gnobodyeventually?03:35
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) s0cks: how exactly?03:35
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) s0cks: why why the name calling?03:35
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s0cksIt is pretty glitchy.03:36
s0cksAnd the interface is horrible.03:36
s0cksTo me at least.03:36
s0cksSuse is better.03:36
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) the interface?03:36
s0cksAnd Gentoo is fine, im suprised it isn't up there03:36
s0cksFedora is good.03:36
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usualbloat03:36
s0cksBut mepis and mandrake aren't anything special.03:36
(Gmail/#ubuntu) neill: distrowatch.org in one month mode03:37
usualgentoo users crack me up03:37
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I was not aware that any distro had it's own interface03:37
calcwell kde on debian/ubuntu is stock so you probably won't like it03:37
usualthe "optimized" gentoo apps are slower than the debian i386 binary's03:37
Gnobodydoes anybody know how to fix the kcontrol broken pipe error when trying to install KDE??03:37
Gnobodyin hoary?03:37
kensaiusual, youre right for me they are the same03:37
calcGnobody: msg me the error i might be able to figure it out03:38
Gnobodyk03:38
seek187yeah I get that error too03:38
seek187when I was trying to install k3b03:38
s0cksI want a linux shell for windows.03:39
s0cksWith no bugs.03:39
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) s0cks: I myself think that urpmi is pretty special03:39
calcs0cks: run cygwin03:39
calcGnobody: looks like the versions of packages are out of sync on ubuntu03:40
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FTTPok i think i know what happened now03:40
FTTPBy the way, as noted above, it is quite difficult to guess BIOS drives correctly under a UNIX-like OS. Thus, grub-install will prompt you to check if it could really guess the correct mappings, after the installation. The format is defined in Device map. Please be quite careful. If the output is wrong, it is unlikely that your computer will be able to boot with no problem.03:40
calcGnobody: the problem isn't the pipe, its the overlapping file03:40
(gen/#ubuntu) s0cks: bb4win03:40
FTTPgrub didnt correctly determine my mappings correctly03:40
FTTPand thats why i keep having issues03:40
FTTPso how do i manually enter em? :)03:40
s0ckscygwin il try first03:41
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usual"Gates gets spammed 4 million times a day"03:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd hate to think he has just one email address03:48
(Gmail/#ubuntu) let spam him03:49
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: nope, that svga driver didn't work either, so looks like I'm stuck with the vesa driver03:49
(Gmail/#ubuntu) DEAR MR GATE YOU ARE THE WINNER OF $USD99,999,999 (NINE....)03:49
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s0cksI have a feeling that since I sold Gmail's email address, it will grow in spam popularity.03:50
(scopecrp/#ubuntu) mailto:billg@microsoft.com03:50
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) fabbione: are you around (FTTP said you might be able to help with a refresh/resolution problem) ?03:50
aaroncukhi all i really need some help with X03:51
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) fabbione: I think I'm stuck with a 'vesa' driver for a crappy S3 Trio vid card, and I'm wondering if there are any known ways to manually tweak the refresh past 61Hz (without reducing resolution down to 480X640) ?03:51
aaroncukmy config file is nackered and it wont load!!03:51
(gen/#ubuntu) nackered03:51
(Gmail/#ubuntu) lol03:52
aaroncukfatal server error, no screens found, have tried to run X -configure03:52
(Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf linux@microsoft.com03:52
aaroncukis there a way to reinstall it?03:52
(scopecrp/#ubuntu) Gmail its the ms anti-terror hotline03:52
(gen/#ubuntu) un-nacker03:53
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:53
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Xenguy: not for vesa03:53
FTTPok i figured out how to do grub-install03:53
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you need to use the s3 driver03:53
FTTPi think my bios is f0cked for linux hto03:53
(Gmail/#ubuntu) 0_0 http://blogs.msdn.com/mscomts/archive/2004/04/30/124343.aspx03:53
FTTPerr tho03:53
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) they claim they use linux servers03:53
FTTPi have no lba option in bios03:53
FTTPits a dell03:53
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: do you mean literally 's3' ?03:53
FTTPwill wait for new bios03:54
kensaiGmail, it is proved that they use Linux servers03:54
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(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) scopecrp: yes I think that's right03:54
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) er Xenguy03:54
s0cksgateway voids your warranty if you use linux03:55
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) let me verify03:55
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I'll try it now, sec03:55
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: Oh OK03:55
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes03:55
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s303:55
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I'll try it now, sec03:55
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FTTPwhere is the mount partition for windows located?03:58
FTTPi modified the mount last time03:58
FTTPi thought it was in /mnt03:58
calcmaybe /media ?03:58
FTTPwhere is the ubuntu faq on that?03:58
calcthe location for mounts is supposed to be /media with new fhs03:58
FTTPcalc nope not in media03:59
FTTPi have 3 cdroms in there03:59
FTTPweird03:59
FTTPi have 2 cdrom drives, not 303:59
calcwell if its setup at all it should be listed in /etc/fstab file03:59
FTTPyeah thats it03:59
FTTPthanks03:59
FTTPi fergot where i mounted it :)03:59
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FTTPdoh04:00
FTTPi must have done it on the last install04:00
FTTPhave to readd it04:00
aaroncukok the reconfigure thing hasnt worked04:00
paphanyone know why i cant login as root at all, keeps saying my password is incorrect...04:00
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(jdub/#ubuntu) paph: there is no root user on ubuntu. you never specified a password for it, if you remember your install. :)04:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) paph: see the FAQ for more info04:01
AlbrightHow can I re-run the installer/configuration program?04:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) Albright: what do you need to change?04:01
AlbrightWell, I recently changed my WEP password on my base station...04:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) Albright: edit /etc/network/interfaces04:02
AlbrightAnd I can't get my machine's wireless card to cooperate using iwconfig...04:02
aaroncukit just keeps saying no screens found04:02
AlbrightHmm...04:02
s0cksGmail : people are campeigning to get you glined04:02
(Gmail/#ubuntu) klined04:03
calcgline/kline is effectively the same04:04
aaroncukhow would i find out my video cards bus indentifier04:04
aaroncukits on board04:04
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) calc: well not really but on this network it is04:04
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calcaaroncuk: lspci04:05
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calcHrdwrBoB: ah04:05
(Gmail/#ubuntu) s0cks: stephen is a moron a staffer will never lisson to a moron04:05
danielsGmail: dude, please stop pasting distrowatch stats, OK?04:05
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FTTPwheres the faq on ubuntu for mounting in windows?04:05
FTTPi mean mounting windows partition04:05
eruinah, okay. font settings (antialiasing/subpixel rendering, etc) in gnome/hoary doesn't actually work04:05
scoonhow can i have apt-get not re-install the binary of a package after i have already installed the source with dpkg -i ?04:06
eruinsettings don't get applied. I had to edit /etc/fonts/local.conf manually04:06
paphjdub, i read the faq and my attempts at sudo passwd root leave me prompted to enter a passwd b4 i can change it04:06
farruinnFTTP, mount -t vfat /dev/hd** /dir04:06
eruinFTTP04:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) paph: it's asking for your password.04:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) paph: i'd encourage you to not set the root password, and work with sudo04:06
paphi typed it in04:06
farruinnas long as you formatted windows partition/drive as vfat and not ntfs04:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) paph: it's worth trying04:06
FTTPfarruinn no i want to modify my etc fstab04:06
FTTPthere was a faq on ubuntu website04:07
eruinFTTP, /dev/sda2       /media/data     vfat    users,umask=000                 0       004:07
FTTPi cant find it04:07
paphjdub, so sudo passwd -l root04:07
eruinthats probably the kind of line you want FTTP04:07
NewComerFTTP, add users to the options04:07
FTTPeruin yeah but wheres the faq :P04:07
eruinno idae04:07
NewComerFTTP, in fstab that is04:07
eruinusers is, afaik, useless, really, without umask04:07
NewComer/dev/hda1       /mnt/win_c      vfat   rw,suid,dev,exec,users,noauto,iocharset=utf8 0    004:08
farruinnFTTP, man fstab04:08
eruinI don't get why people reply "man this"04:08
NewComerthese options are the same as "default" with the exception of  noauto and users04:09
farruinnbecause the man pages are a valuable resource04:09
aaroncukhmm it doesnt seem to be overwriting my old config file04:09
eruinfarruinn, people asking about a specific problem have a) already read the manpage, or b) just want exactly what they ask for04:09
AlbrightHow can I re-run the installer/configuration program?04:09
farruinneruin, I agree, but I'm sure that whatever FTTP needs to know from the ubuntu faq is available in the man page04:11
scoonanyone ?  how can i keep apt from re-installing a binary package after i have built it and installed from a source package04:11
FTTPok i got it04:11
FTTPdone04:11
FTTPi also downloaded the microsoft core fonts04:12
FTTPill relog04:12
FTTPbrb04:12
eruinscoon, you could make a .deb from the source package I guess04:12
calcscoon: set it to hold04:12
X-Pozis xorg supported on the cds that were sent?04:12
eruinthe msttcorefonts aren't the same as the ones in winXP04:12
eruinX-Poz, no, but you can edit sources.list to use hoary04:13
scooncalc: is that a pinning ? thing04:13
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: Well that was weird; switch to 's3' throws my monitor into some power-saving mode that I cannot awaken it from :-/04:13
X-Pozalright thanks04:13
eruinX-Poz, like I've done with the system I'm on right now ;)04:13
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) are there any good graphical tools to edit ms acess databases?04:13
calcscoon: did you compile a deb and install it or just compiled source and installed the files directly?04:13
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: anyway, I can't get my monitor to come alive to see what actually happened after I typed 'startx'04:14
scooncalc: using the warty src i just did this: apt-get source rhythmbox04:14
aaroncukXenguy - i run that reconfigure but its not worked, think its still using old file.. any ideas?04:14
scooncalc: the deb gets built and then i dpkg -i04:14
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: oh yes...04:14
calcscoon: ah ok, yea just set it to hold04:14
usualcalc, ltns04:15
usual:)04:15
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: you need to run 'dexconf' I believe (sorry I forgot, it seems to be an Ubu thing)04:15
scooncalc: is that a pinning thing ?04:15
calcnot that i know of04:15
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aaroncukcool just getting some updates, will try that04:15
calcyou can set holds in package managers, not sure how to do it directly with dpkg04:15
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FTTPdidnt work04:16
FTTP/dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 004:16
FTTPthats correct right?04:16
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FTTPdo i need to add a winxp file or directory?04:16
NewComerFTTP,04:17
farruinndoes linux support ntfs?04:17
NewComeryeah04:17
FTTPyes newcomer?04:17
paphwhere can i find more sources to add to my apt list so i can get more packages (ie enlightenment, gdesklets, lm_sensors)04:17
FTTPnewcomer yeah to what?04:17
NewComerFTTP, mkdir /mnt/winxp04:17
FTTPthanks04:17
NewComersudo mkdir /mnt/winxp04:17
NewComersudo chmod 777 /mnt/winxp04:18
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Anyone - I am really curious now as to why I can get better refresh in X3 than in X4 with the same vid card -- is anyone familiar with editing /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 to force a particular refresh rate?04:18
farruinndoesn't that require modelines?04:19
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) (if that's possible)04:19
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) farruinn: I don't know04:19
farruinnsorry, I was asking the channel in general =)04:19
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) nod04:19
scooncalc: how do i set a hold ?04:20
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) ROTFL look at ##windows topic04:20
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) er04:21
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail:04:21
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you are the biggest tard ever04:21
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) scoon: try this -> echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections04:22
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) scoon: substitute a real package for 'packagename'04:22
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scoonXenguy: reading the dpkg man doesn't really make that opt very clear, what will it do for me.04:23
aaroncukXenguy - that hasnt worked either, any more ideas before i format04:24
aaroncuklol04:24
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) scoon: I'm going by some old notes - AFAIK that will place the specified package on hold04:24
paphwhere can i find more sources to add to my apt list so i can get more packages (ie enlightenment, gdesklets, lm_sensors)04:24
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: hrm, it worked for me -- did you try sudo dexconf ?04:24
aaroncukyeah04:25
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: looks like yer having as much luck as me tonight ;-)04:25
usualhas anyone else noticed that totem defines words in movie playback and tell you information about quotes people used in the movie?04:27
aaroncukjust getting caught signal errors now04:27
s0cksGMAIL@04:28
aaroncukcan u get rid of xserver and reinstall it>04:28
scoonapt-get moo04:29
scoonanyone try it04:29
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: hrm...04:29
farruinndpkg-reconfigure xserver04:30
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: how about -> sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree8604:30
scoonwell it made me laff anyway04:30
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: that will kill your config files too04:31
paphhrm, can anyone point me in the direction to find some more sources to add to my apt list, besides the default.04:31
aaroncukthey are knackereed lol04:31
s0cksLinux Shell help again please.04:31
s0cksWho knows some good ones?04:31
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: wth is the 'knackered' anyway?04:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) bash is good04:31
aaroncukrubbish, no good, broken04:32
(geppy/#ubuntu) hahaha04:32
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: /etc/apt/sources.list ?04:32
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: it's not clear where you are at (at least to me)04:33
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: what's missing from the default? Usually people only go looking for more sources if there's something the defaults don't provide04:33
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aaroncukUK04:33
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: er, where your system is at ;-)04:33
aaroncuklol04:33
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) hehe04:33
aaroncukits next to me lol04:33
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: and be aware that there won't be very many sources that are compiled against ubuntu yet (although I suspect that will change)04:33
aaroncukand im kicking it04:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) paph: are you using universe and multiverse?04:34
paphi am not sure what i am using, i would just like to install lm_sensors, gdesklets, enlightenment04:35
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paphi know i can jusr download the packages themselves, but i was trying to see what all i could just let apt do hehe04:36
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) they should all be in universe at least04:36
paphhow do i check if im using multiverse or universe04:36
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: yes, you want apt to do the heavy lifting...04:36
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: look at /etc/apt/sources.list04:37
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: you need to open that file in an editor - can you do that?04:37
paphyes04:37
paphits open04:37
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) is there a line for universe?04:38
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) it's there, but commented by default04:38
aaroncukrights it back on line lol04:38
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) if you uncomment it, then universe should become available to you04:38
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: so what happened?04:38
paphahh cool04:39
Tsjoklatbagpuss: main restricted universe multiverse04:39
paphso just uncomment those 2 lines and apt-get update and im good to go04:39
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: make sure 'multiverse' is configured also04:39
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: yes04:39
aaroncukits back now.. workin. still crap tho... it doesnt seem to be in 24 bit04:39
paphXenguy, multiverse. ...i dont see that04:39
aaroncukgradients look terrible04:40
Tsjoklattwo for archives two for security04:40
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Tsjoklatcd optional04:40
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: that's not there by defauly. Copy the line for universe and change it to multiverse04:40
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: clone the 'universe' line and change 'universe' to 'multiverse'04:40
aaroncukbut i am beyong caring for tonight, im off to bed lol04:40
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: l8r04:40
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aaroncukone last question.. what does hte x in the middle of he screen mean04:40
TsjoklatXenguy: it is better to have main restricted universe multiverse04:40
paphXenguy, same for the src as well?04:41
Tsjoklaton all four lines04:41
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: if it doesn't turn into a more normal looking cursor, it means something is misconfigured AFAIK04:41
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: why?04:41
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: sure, why not? ;-)04:41
paphok cool04:41
Tsjoklatbagpuss: if you want all the packages available04:41
paph then apt-get update04:41
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) yep04:41
aaroncukok cool thanks for ur help xen04:42
Tsjoklatbagpuss it is recommended on the ubu wiki page04:42
aaroncuksee ya04:42
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(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: what, having them all on the same line?04:42
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) where on the wiki?04:42
(gen/#ubuntu) what is "gam_server"04:42
Tsjoklatbagpuss yes04:42
eruinhow about making firefox use the gtk chooser and integrate with, nautilus (image->wallpaper) ?04:43
Tsjoklathttp://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary04:43
(gen/#ubuntu) what is gam_server, it's using 100% cpu04:43
(gen/#ubuntu) gamin i assume, whats it for04:44
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: kill it then04:44
(gen/#ubuntu) safe?04:44
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: no idea, but no process should use 100%04:44
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: I'd kill it out of principle04:44
(gen/#ubuntu) it just started out of no where about 3 minutes ago04:45
eruinit's not distro-specific that's for sure04:45
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: I don't see it say that anywhere on that page04:45
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: I've never heard of such a process BTW04:45
(jdub/#ubuntu) gen: it's for file alteration notification04:45
(jdub/#ubuntu) gen: no harm killing it04:45
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(gen/#ubuntu) thanks jdub04:46
Tsjoklat## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' and04:46
Tsjoklat## 'multiverse' repositories:04:46
Tsjoklat# deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse04:46
Tsjoklat# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse04:46
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(gen/#ubuntu) yea, started right after i copied a pretty big directory04:46
Ubuntulooks like my video card was detected04:46
Ubuntuappropriately04:46
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: yes, those are seperate lines. You said that it recommended they be on the same line04:46
Ubuntuit got the scan frequencies right04:46
Ubuntubut it didnt get the resolutions all right :P04:47
Tsjoklatsame deal.. your box won't explode04:47
Ubuntureported it as a bug04:47
Tsjoklatjdub you can put: main restricted universe multiverse on one line can't you04:47
Ubuntugave fabio some details04:47
eruinTsjoklat, yes04:47
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: yes04:47
Ubuntuthe log file has so much info on the monitor04:47
Tsjoklatbagpuss: there is your answer04:47
Ubuntuunbelievable :)04:47
(jdub/#ubuntu) they don't have to be on the same line though04:47
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: functionally, it's juust repeasting lines. There's no reason to do it. Either have them on seperate lines or all on one line. There's no reason to have 4 copies of the *same* line04:48
(jdub/#ubuntu) we separate them so you can enable them separately04:48
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: do you know how to manually configure the /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 file to improve refresh rates/screen resolution by any chance?04:48
TsjoklatI said four lines you need: two for archives two for security04:48
Tsjoklatmakes FOUR04:48
(gen/#ubuntu) is there a way to delete a lot of files with one extension easily (from command line)04:48
Tsjoklatyou need all those on each rep.. archives and security04:48
Ubuntuxenguy:  google like i do04:48
(gen/#ubuntu) in the same directory04:48
Ubuntuxenguy:  LOL04:48
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: care to help?04:48
Ubuntuxenguy:   im not sure, but i would google it and then find out that way04:49
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) ah, that's where I misunderstood04:49
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: rm -f *.blah04:49
(gen/#ubuntu) thanks04:49
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: yw04:49
Ubuntuxenguy:  I reported it as a bug but he closed it out, then i reopened it and he asked for my files04:49
Tsjoklatbagpuss: this one later on: ## Uncomment after release to continue getting Updates:04:49
Tsjoklat# deb http://archive.ubuntu.org/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted04:49
Ubuntuxenguy:  You gotta be persistent :)04:49
Ubuntui mean he knew it was a known limitation maybe04:49
Ubuntubut more info the better04:50
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: believe I am - I've been tracking this problem for several days now04:50
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: yes04:50
Ubuntuxenguy:  it appears to be with alot of monitors04:50
Tsjoklatjdub.. I spoke to Kamion earlier on... he adviced me to put ISO in the local.gen... if this is correct.. are you going to change your post?04:50
Ubuntuxenguy:  The config utility is being worked on04:50
Ubuntuxenguy:  X.ORG one will be better04:50
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: someone else mentioned fabbione's name, and I already inquired, so we'll see04:50
Ubuntuxenguy:  that was me04:51
Ubuntuxenguy:  Maybe04:51
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: well, it's not wrong, but if there are bugs elsewhere, we'll have to deal with them04:51
Ubuntuxenguy:  Ubuntu's people are brilliant04:51
NewComeris ubuntuforums.org down?04:51
Ubuntuxenguy:  The developers are literally geniouses and i mean that04:51
Tsjoklatjdub: I have now ISO and UTF in local.gen but I still get the xlib errors with certain progs04:51
Ubuntuxenguy:  Ubuntu has so much potential04:52
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: that's an xlib issue04:52
Tsjoklatjdub: has nothing to do with xorg? Kamion and daniels thought it was/is04:52
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) I hate bugzilla :)04:52
Ubuntuxenguy:  alot of it is handled by X directly04:52
Ubuntuxenguy:  work is constantly being done tho04:52
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat:04:52
(jdub/#ubuntu) Package: xlibs-data04:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) Source: xorg04:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) 04:53
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no, it was FTTP that pointed me to fabbione -- but anyway, I'm just looking for a way to manually tweak the refresh rate for my (admittedly crappy) vid card -- guess I'll try some googling04:53
Tsjoklatjdub: so it does.. okay I'll ride it out no biggie... just downgraded a version and pinned it04:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8604:53
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yes, I am impressed with Ubu so far04:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: that'll ask a bunch of questions04:53
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: been there, done that -- that is not going to do it04:54
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I need 'manual over-ride' ;-)04:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: have you read the comment at the top of XF86Config-4?04:54
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: if I have I don't remember - should I?04:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) sure04:54
TsjoklatXenguy: you should memorize it :P04:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: read the bit about md5sum, follow those directions, then dpkg-reconfigure again04:55
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: you know what? I expect you are trying to actually help ;-) ...04:56
Tsjoklatdoes anyone have a succesful update notifier in their panel?04:56
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: but once you have struggled for long enough, cryptic advice just starts to be a piss off...04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) it's not cryptic04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) there are directions in the comment about md5summing04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) follow the directions04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) then run dpkg-reconfigure ... again04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) ^ not cryptic04:57
Tsjoklatrtfm04:57
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: so what exactly is the comment at the top of the file supposed to tell me that is useful, cos at this hour of the night, I frankly don't get it?04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: don't04:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: there are directions there about updating the md5sum04:58
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: hrm, I know what an md5sum is; I've used it before; and I don't (right now) understand what relevance it has to my situation (honestly) -- but I'll try re-reading the comments04:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) the comment at the top of that file explains pretty clearly04:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) again04:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) follow the directions04:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) run dpkg-reconfigure ...04:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) i'm not telling you this for any other reason but to fix your problem04:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) so i'd recommend following my directions05:00
s0cksubuntu needs a vhost05:00
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: are there any install images for hoary yet? I'd like to do some testing to ensure I can actually install it without a day's hackery before it releases :)05:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: not recommended that you use those atm, it's very early and there have been lots of installer changes05:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: if you want to try hoary, just upgrade05:02
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(jdub/#ubuntu) i would only recommend doing so if you're very familiar with debian systems though05:02
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: before I lose the ability to speak english, and type ;-) can you simply spell out what the goal is here -- what is all this intended to achieve, specifically?05:02
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: I had massive problems with the warty installer on a box I built for a client last week (admittedly, the hardware was pretty new and probably wansn't properly supported yet)05:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: reconfiguring your x server05:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what kind of hardware?05:03
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: I might have *some* passing familiarity with Debian systems, yes :)05:03
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(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: nono...my worry isn't about the upgrade, it's about the actual installer. I have no doubt that the upgrade path will be smooth (it's Debian in a not-very-convincing disguise after all)05:03
(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: wouldn't bother with it for now05:04
scoondamn05:04
scooni give up05:04
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: XP3000+, an ASRock KT880 motherboard, a VIA SATA controller...05:04
(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: when colin announces an array cd release, try then05:04
scooni can't find how to not upgrade compiled debs back to binary05:04
scoonand pining doesn't do the trick05:04
(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what broke during install?05:04
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: sorry, but this is poor communication -- thanks anyway for trying :-)05:04
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(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) bagpuss: the disguise is pretty convinving for me, it actually works, and I didn't compile my own kernel, or run development versions of software :P05:04
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: are you going to follow the directions?05:05
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: the installer kernel booted intermittently, and once the system was actually installed refused to boot at all. I ended up chrooting from a knoppix to install the -k7 kernel...which worked fairly well05:05
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(jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: weird05:05
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: it's still a Debian system under the hod. It's a totally familiar envirronment to me once I have a shell on it :)05:05
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: yeah. Windows had even more problems installing to it05:06
pdaousthope I'm not annoying anyone by asking this question (don't know if there's some FAQ that addresses this directly), but do packages in hoary ever get backported to warty? More specifically, can we expect to see Firefox 1.0 in warty ever?05:06
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I'm an experienced Debian user - if you insist on concealing the *purpose* of the instructions, then no - I absolutely will not -- I'm trying to understand, not follow instructions like a monkey :-)05:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) pdaoust: no05:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) pdaoust: warty is stable and released and done. security and major bugfix updates only.05:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: dude, sheesh05:06
pdaoustjdub: righto; that's what I figured05:06
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: I suspect most of the problems were hardware related (except the hal fubar)05:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: it explains it int he comment!05:07
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: you want to reconfigure your x server, here's why it's breaking, read the comment and go05:07
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to get an explanation of what md5sum's have to do with anything -- really05:07
(jdub/#ubuntu) pdaoust: next release in april (preview in march)05:07
Tsjoklatbagpuss did it work for you?05:07
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: did what?05:07
pdaoustjdub: that's disappointing, because I tried upgrading to Firefox 1.0 today, and somehow borked X... or maybe GDM... or maybe GTK... whatever happened, when I rebooted, I got the little X-shaped mouse pointer and...nothing else.05:08
Tsjoklatbagpuss: I thought you were trying to update your packages?05:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: please read the comment in the file, it quite clearly explains why you'd run the commands it gives you05:08
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I guess I don't understand that comment fully then :-/05:08
pdaoustjdub: I like these six-month release thingies; it feeds us upgrade junkies ;)05:08
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: you do get that I've already run the dpkg-reconfigure command, yes?05:08
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: nah. the upgrade path will be fine, I'm sure. It's the installer I'm worried about05:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: yes, and the comment explains why it doesn't work for you, and how to fix it05:08
Tsjoklatbagpuss: ah okay then... I'll zip up05:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i am giving you directions to fix your problem05:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i'm not going to re-explain what the comment in that file already does05:09
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: alright, fine - I will run whatever I can glean from the comments without understanding what the hell I'm doing, and why :-)05:09
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I told you I don't understand the comment :-)05:09
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) I have high hopes. Once there's a decent BTS, it should all get easier :)05:09
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: you wishy-washily implied it05:10
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: ?05:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated05:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) # again, run the following commands as root:05:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) 05:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) is that unclear?05:10
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(bagpuss/#ubuntu) oh05:11
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) it's telling you to update the md5sum so dpkg doesn't whine about it having changed?05:12
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(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: are these instructions functionally equivalent to editing the file, then running dexconf, or is that a completely different matter?05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) oh man05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) dude05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) come on05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) run the following commands as root:05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) #05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum05:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8605:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) 05:14
(jdub/#ubuntu) see how it says "run these commands as root"?05:14
(jdub/#ubuntu) do that05:14
(jdub/#ubuntu) ...05:14
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Tsjoklatwant a cookie bagpuss?05:14
aitrusdeep breaths....05:14
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) ah05:14
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) not dpkg then, dexconf05:14
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: actually I understand the 'what', I just don't understand the 'why'...05:14
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: but I'll do it anyway, cos you've been so persistant ;-)05:15
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: so your reconfiguration will work05:15
(jdub/#ubuntu) otherwise it ignores it05:15
(jdub/#ubuntu) because the file is changed05:15
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Xenguy: because the mechanism for automatically writign that file assumes that if you've changed it, then it isn't allowed to touch it. It checks to see if you've changed it by comparing the current md5sum with the md5sum it has stored in /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum. If they don't match, it won't touch the file05:15
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: but 'why' will it work? (you are a bit like the high-school math teacher who said, just do 'this' and it will work, without really explaining 'why'05:16
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) this shouldn't be hard to understand. Perhaps something in the documentation or somesuch is lacking05:16
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) bagpuss: ahhhh05:16
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) sometimes it05:16
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it's not the documentation05:16
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) sometimes, it's PEBKAC05:16
Gwildorbonobo, restrictedformats Gwildor05:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: please read the comment!05:16
Gwildorgrrr05:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) i will paste it just to be sure05:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*05:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree8605:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) # package.05:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) 05:17
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I was very careful not to say that :)05:17
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: that's just condescending - please05:17
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) documentation has a specific scope, that scope doesn't include why things work, only that they do05:18
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Tsjoklats0cks?05:19
s0ckso05:19
s0ckssorry05:19
s0cksrandom05:19
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I tend to disagree on that point, but anyway... bagpuss put hir finger on it for me -- SHe simply explained the mechanism, which is what I was looking for (and yes, too damn tired to understand it myself at this hour)05:19
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Xenguy: Debian policy (very sensibly) says that if the local admin (in this case you) has changed a configuration file, then it isn't allowed to be touched by the package management system without permission.05:19
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) She?!05:19
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TsjoklatXenguy: I am the she05:20
(gen/#ubuntu) sexcist05:20
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) bagpuss: that's a he/she (cos I don't know you that well :-)05:20
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) ah. I'm a he :)05:20
Tsjoklatbagpuss is a he05:20
(gen/#ubuntu) I'm not sure what I am05:20
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) bagpuss: in that case He, not SHe ;-)05:20
Tsjoklatgen you are genless05:20
(gen/#ubuntu) genderless indeed05:20
Tsjoklateasier :P05:21
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Xenguy: I don't mean to be offensive, but perhaps you need to look at what questions you are asking05:21
(Gmail/#ubuntu) i am having a problem with a problem that i must install05:21
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it's all about how you approach the situation05:21
(Gmail/#ubuntu) /tmp/install.dir.14117/Linux/resource/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory05:21
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: looks to me like you don't have libstdc++ installed (or perhaps the wrong version)05:22
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i do05:22
(Gmail/#ubuntu) version 605:22
(Gmail/#ubuntu) do i need to downgrade05:22
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I'm trying to understand 'why' I'm doing stuff, which is usually a good thing. Apparently I'm a little thick tonight, but hey, at least I'm trying to understand :-)05:22
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(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: ls /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.205:23
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: that doesn't look like a full comand to me05:23
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I can't be held responsible for your poor eyesight05:24
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: basically that will tell you if you have the file it wants or not05:24
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) ssta@shanta:~$ ls /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.205:24
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) ls: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: No such file or directory05:24
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) on THAT system, the file isn't there05:24
binarydigithow do i set my default web browser to firefox05:26
binarydigitit seems when i installed mozilla it changed that05:26
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(bagpuss/#ubuntu) it looks like a suspiciously *exact* filename05:26
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i said i don't have it05:26
Tsjoklatbinarydigit: computer prefered aplications05:26
Tsjoklatdesktop preferences sorry05:26
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: sorry i didn't see the whole command before05:26
binarydigitTsjoklat: it says mozilla firefox there05:26
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: where did you get the jre?05:26
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: blackdown05:27
binarydigitbut i just clicked on a link in xchat and said open web browser and it opened mozilla05:27
binarydigitused to open firefox05:27
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: looks to me like it's been compiled for a very specific system.05:27
Tsjoklatbinarydigit and it doesn't work?05:27
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i know05:27
Tsjoklatdid you change it?05:27
binarydigityes05:27
binarydigitit never was changed05:27
(Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: anyway, FWIW, I think I starting to grok this a bit more -- thanks for your persistance; I hope I didn't cause you too much stress :-)05:27
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: should i mess with the install script?05:27
binarydigitit was always firefox, but for some reason mozilla is opening links in xchat now05:27
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Tsjoklatdid you upgrade xchat?05:28
binarydigitno05:28
Tsjoklatcheck the settings in xchat?05:28
binarydigitit uses sensible-browser05:28
binarydigitwhich i guess is now set to mozilla05:28
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: should i email them05:28
Tsjoklatchange that to mozilla05:28
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, it looks like the java binary there is linked against a library you don't have. Unless you can recompile against a library you *do* have, messing with the install script probably won't help05:28
Tsjoklatsee if that works05:28
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: so what basicly should i email them05:29
pdaoust[OT]  has anyone seen the newest Strong Bad e-mail?05:29
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: check to see if you got the right version. I've used blackdown stuff before and never had this problem (although I've not touched blackdown stuff for about a year)05:29
Tsjoklatpdaoust?05:29
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: they only provide one version05:29
pdaoustTsjoklat: yes?05:30
(Gmail/#ubuntu) and its only came out a few weeks ago05:30
Tsjoklatpdaoust what strong bad e-mail?05:30
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I'm pretty sure that I saw a repository for blackdown stuff in the wiki that wasn't the main blackdown one05:30
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) in fact, I know I did05:30
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: its in the FAQ under Java IIRC05:30
(Gmail/#ubuntu) i know05:31
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pdaoustTsjoklat: bent u een Nederlander?05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Note: The Blackdown debs seem to be slightly out of date.05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) You can find newer blackdown Java debs in this repository05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) You must add this line in /etc/apt/sources.list by hand though, because synaptic doesn't understand this format.05:31
(Gmail/#ubuntu) i installed from the blackdown responory05:31
Tsjoklatpdaoust ja05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) which one?05:31
Tsjoklaten zeg maar je :P05:31
(Gmail/#ubuntu) the newer one05:31
Tsjoklatyou can say you05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) on warty?05:31
(Gmail/#ubuntu) hoary05:31
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) oh, I dunno about hoary. Ask one of the bleeding edge merchants about it :)05:32
Tsjoklatwhat has me being Dutch have to do with the strong bad e-mail? lol05:32
pdaoustTsjoklat: heh heh, I'm embarrassed to say I used BabelFish translation: I don't speak Nederlandse myself05:32
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: itsbasicly the same05:32
Tsjoklatpdaoust you whois'd me :P05:32
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so i need to find a ms acess database editor, any suggestions?05:32
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pdaoustTsjoklat: Well, partly I was just curious because of the way you spelled your name (that means 'chocolate', right?), and partly because I don't think Strong Bad is popular outside Canada and the United States05:33
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: have you tried creating your own package using java-package?05:33
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gillhi y'all!05:34
pdaoustTsjoklat: it's an online cartoon from the United States; if you grew up in the Eighties, there are a lot of great jokes... cultural references and stuff05:34
Gwildori am a newb, and i just have to ask, is things like sed being broken for a few day why hoary is called UNSTABLE?, cause, to me, that is no big thing at all, speccialy since it was only that way for a few days05:34
Tsjoklatpdaoust that's correct.. Tjoklat is an Indonesian brand of chocolate sold in the Netherlands05:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: no and i am not going to05:34
Tsjoklatpdaoust ah I see the light.. forgive my ignorance05:34
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pdaoustTsjoklat: ah, cool. Yeah, here in western Canada there are quite a few Nederlanders... some from the Nederlands, some from Indonesia05:35
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: it looks to me like you're going to be out of luck with that package you have. If hoary doesn't have the right libraries, you're pretty screwed05:35
Tsjoklatpdaoust I am both :) Eurasian05:35
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pdaoustTsjoklat: you can find it at http://www.homestarrunner.com05:35
pdaoustTsjoklat: cool! so where were you born?05:35
pdaoust(and where do you live now?)05:35
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: and warty does?05:35
gillquick question - Just installed Ubuntu and its fab, but it didn't automount my NTFS drives - what do i need to edit so that they show up?05:35
Tsjoklatpdaoust thank you, I'll check it out... Yogjakarta raised in the Netherlands05:35
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I assume so.05:35
pdaoustwow... sounds like you're well-traveled05:36
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: unless you have something else broken05:36
Tsjoklatpdaoust living in CA now.. as in the American CA05:36
pdaoustTsjoklat: how do you like it there?05:36
Tsjoklatpdaoust quite different... rather be back in OZ lol05:36
pdaoust:)05:36
pdaoustTsjoklat: Oz as in Australia? gee whiz, you have travelled05:36
Tsjoklatpdaoust I lived in Australia, New Zealand, America and Europe yes05:37
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i can install older versions of files05:37
Tsjoklathey Rene05:37
Rene_SHowdy05:37
Tsjoklathow's ubu treating you as of late?05:37
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: and then anything compiled against the newer library will break05:37
Tsjoklatstill having issues?05:37
Tsjoklatpdaoust funny site.. thanks for the link05:38
Rene_SI went back to warty for the time being, testing Codeweavers Crossover Office on it05:38
TsjoklatRene_S you reinstalled ubu totally?05:38
pdaoustTsjoklat: no problem. It takes a while to get into -- at first I thought, "what is this crap and what's it supposed to be mean?" but eventually the style of humour really grew on me.05:38
pdaousthey, does anyone know if FTTP has been on this channel lately? he/she was having problems earlier with GRUB, and I was wondering if they've been dealt with...05:39
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i have libstdc++6 install i can ALSO install libstdc++2.10 which has that file i need BUT libstdc++2.10 relies on gcc2.95 and will couse problems05:39
Tsjoklatpdaoust I'll give it a whizz :)05:39
(Gmail/#ubuntu) and anyway the program is a java one05:39
Rene_STsjoklat, Yeah, needed a clean slate.  Made a mess out of my other install with all my mad science experiments05:39
Tsjoklatpdaoust he/she/it was here earlier and I think the problems got solved... not too sure though05:39
(Gmail/#ubuntu) why coundn't they give a jar05:39
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: you don't think the java virtual machine is written in java...05:39
TsjoklatRene_S that's too bad... but you can always re dist-upgrade in april :)05:40
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: the virtual machine has to be written in something that compiles to native code!05:40
pdaoustTsjoklat: thanks for the info!05:40
Tsjoklatpdaoust you are most welcome05:40
pdaoustI think I'm leaving now, folks... gotta go to bed :)05:40
Rene_STsjoklat, Of course, for now I need a stable platform, have to start getting productive on my Photography Studio05:40
TsjoklatRene_S keep me informed about the Codeweavers.. it is something I am considering05:41
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) lol05:41
ubllhow do I mount a second hard drive correctly?05:41
ubllI mounted it but the icons show up as feet and i cant open them05:41
Rene_STsjoklat, So far I know Office XP works well.  Want to try Photoshop05:41
Tsjoklatwith a hammer and some nails :P05:41
ubll:D05:42
TsjoklatRene_S I am anxious to find out if MMJB will work myself05:42
Rene_SI think that Jesus, not sure HD would respond as well to that as he did05:42
Tsjoklatubll what second hard drive? you just added a new hd? or an excisting one? dos? nix?05:42
ubllit's a slave drive I use in Windows. It's fat32, its recognized by Linux as hdb105:43
TsjoklatRene_S I just saw that movie and I can honestly say: it is the most sick movie ever seen05:43
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) ubll: how did you mount it?05:43
ubllvia fstab05:43
Tsjoklatubll but it is not mounted you say? as in not showing up?05:43
ubllit is mounted, but the dir's show up as the gnome foot icon05:43
Rene_SYeah when i went to it I walked away from it feeling assaulted and drained05:43
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Rene_Sand I am an athiest05:43
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) I'm going to bed I think...far too late to be playing 20 questions05:44
TsjoklatRene_S I second to that .. the feelings05:44
Tsjoklatnight bagpuss don't forget your cookies05:44
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: but i have a newer version of the vm to the one its look for (to see if i java installed)05:44
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ubll/dev/hdb1  /mnt/media/  vfat  users,rw,auto  0  005:44
Tsjoklathey seek18705:44
seek187Hi05:44
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Tsjoklatubll this is mine: /dev/hda2       /windows/D      vfat    noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 005:45
Rene_STsjoklat, Now having said that I think as a "Movie" its one of the best on the Subject, and Mel deserves credit for it05:45
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how do i extract files from an iso?05:45
TsjoklatRene_S yes that is true but the movie is just.. in your face wouldn't you agree... reading is one thing but seeing it05:45
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: mount it05:45
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ok05:46
=== Gmail pokes bagpuss
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mountpoint05:46
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(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) yeah... i was thinking there MUST be an easier way, but i guess not05:46
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) thanks05:46
Rene_STsjoklat, I think it did what it set out to do, stir up people's "passions".  Rare thing for a movie these days05:46
TsjoklatGmail I think bagpuss went MIA05:46
ublltsjoklat thanks i'll try it05:46
Tsjoklatubll I hope it'll do the trick for you05:47
(Gmail/#ubuntu) MIA???05:47
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TsjoklatGmail: Missing In Action05:47
TsjoklatRene_S I am sort of worried about his next project: Bodicea05:47
gillanyone wanna take a stab at mounting some NTFS disks in Ubuntu?05:47
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Tsjoklatgill what is the problem?05:47
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) what the hell?05:48
Ubuntugill i did already05:48
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) gmail in an independant study of signal/noise of you, the balance came up in favour of noise.05:48
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: it's almost 5am here. I'm going to bed. If that makes you unhappy/angry/whatever, apply for a full refund.05:48
gilllooks like by default Ubuntu doesn't put mount points in fstab05:48
Ubuntugill:  need to modify etc/fstab05:48
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) mount -t iso9660 -o loop en_ell_dev_edt_aa.iso /mnt/iso05:48
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#05:48
Ubuntugill:  Yep exactly05:48
Ubuntugill:  Add it :)05:48
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) any suggesions?05:48
s0cksI am going to custom build an installer using disk druid05:49
s0cksand maybe work on the graphical installer05:49
Mark1i know that ubuntu is supposed to come out with updates/upgrades every 6 months05:49
gilli am just trying to figure the correct entries to add05:49
Ubuntugill:  oh i just added em05:49
Ubuntugill ill give you mine05:49
Mark1has anyone done the 6 month upgrade (basically is it worth it)05:49
seek187Mark1, hoary?05:49
Mark1or is it basically the exact same as doing sudo apt-get update  / upgrade  ?05:49
s0cksMark1 : I wouldn't know just yet.05:49
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Mark1s0cks: thanks, figured i'a at least ask05:50
s0cksI need to hurry up and get my CD.05:50
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: modprobe loop05:50
Ubuntugill:  /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 005:50
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: you can have it as soon as I receive the $1000 you paid!05:50
gillahhh cool05:50
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i prepaid05:50
Ubuntugill just copy and paste that in there and sudo pico /etc/fstab05:50
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) *sigh*05:50
gillif there is only one volume on the drive, would it be just hda?05:50
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: didn't you see that 1k next to ya bed05:50
Ubuntugill:  Oh wait your drive could be different05:51
Ubuntugill:  how many hds you have?05:51
gill2 ntfs drives05:51
gill1 partition each05:51
Ubuntugill:  2 NTFS?  no ext3?05:51
Ubuntufor linux?05:51
Ubuntuor you have 3 hds?05:51
gillthese are my audio drives under XP05:51
gill3 hds total05:51
Tsjoklat/dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 005:51
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: your problem is that the version of java you have is compiled against a version of libstdc++ you don't have. I don't know how else to put it. Your choices are to GET the version it's compiled against,. or get a different java that's compiled against the librtaries you DO have.05:51
Ubuntugill:  Ok i have 205:52
Ubuntugill:  1st hd 1st partition is hda105:52
gillahh gotcha05:52
Ubuntugill:  just use mine05:52
Ubuntutsjoklat:   8?05:52
(bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: apart from that, I don't know what else to tell you. I could come do it FOR you. But at 5am, I'm not doing that for the money you didn't pay me.05:52
Ubuntutsjoklat:  8 is if you want to secure it right?05:52
gilldo i need to create the folders/mnt points in /mnt first?05:52
Ubuntutsjoklat:  I only have just me so i want everyone to have access05:52
TsjoklatUbuntu: yes I got my windows system secured yes05:52
Tsjoklatgill don't pay attention to that part please05:53
Ubuntugill u want it secured?05:53
gillnah...i am the only user05:53
Ubuntugill:  ok then mine is fine05:53
TsjoklatUbuntu: I don't share that drive.. no need to be messing with the system files I say05:53
Ubuntutsjoklat:  And I agree with you if your not a single user05:53
UbuntutsjoklaT:  Thats why we can configure it how we want invidually :)05:53
TsjoklatUbuntu: I am the single user but I am a female so by nature I am paranoid :P05:53
gillwill my normal user account still have access to the shares?05:54
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh... this blows... i have the whole mells collection of books in iso format LEGALLY and i can't use any of them05:54
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) damn microsoft05:54
Tsjoklatgill: follow Ubuntu's advice :)05:54
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what about the stabs i gave ya05:56
gillshould i create the mnt points in /mnt first?05:56
Tsjoklatgill yes05:56
Ubuntutsjoklat:  New linux images on synaptic?05:56
Ubuntuim shocked :)05:56
gillwould i need to change the permissions after creating them?05:56
TsjoklatUbuntu hamana?05:56
TsjoklatUbuntu what do you mean?05:57
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Ubuntu?05:58
Ubuntuoops i thought i was fttp05:58
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FTTPwrong nick :P05:58
FTTPtsjoklat  I did apply update05:58
FTTPfor synaptic05:58
TsjoklatFTTP poadoust was looking for you earlier05:58
FTTPit said there was new linux image file05:58
TsjoklatFTTP ah... all good now again?05:58
FTTPtsjolat:  How can i check my current version of the image file?05:59
FTTPtsjolat:  For linux i mean05:59
FTTPmy kernel version i assume?05:59
Tsjoklatuname -a05:59
icuWhenever I boot my laptop running a variety of kernels, both precompiled from the repositories or even compile from vanilla kernels. 2.6.7 2.6.8.1 2.6.9 My sound doesn't work. It's a toshiba a70 with an atiixp ixp150 chip. It gives error -13 in dmesg. Anyone know of a solution?05:59
FTTPtsjoklat:  is that a bug then?05:59
aitrusthat won't tell you whether you ahve the new Ubunutu image or not06:00
TsjoklatFTTP it doesn't show up for you?06:00
FTTPtsjoklaT:  I have the same kernel06:00
FTTPas the new image file06:00
FTTPit showed up06:00
TsjoklatFTTP I don't quite get your question?06:00
aitruscause it is still 2.6.8.1-3 with a different apt version number06:00
FTTPoh06:00
FTTPaitrus so its not a bug but a new file?06:00
gilldo i need to log out and back in after editing the fstab file?06:00
aitrusdpkg -l linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp06:01
FTTPaitrus:  oops............ 16-106:01
FTTPdoh06:01
FTTPaitrus:  I missed that :)06:01
aitrusFTTP: it's the same kernel version with a fix06:01
FTTPaitrus is that in the annoucement section?06:01
(crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: you really need to try the latest ALSA, which is available separately or in 2.6.10-rc206:01
FTTPaitrus:  For mailing list i mean?06:01
FTTPto see what the fixes are06:01
icuCrimsun: is there a prebuilt package for 2.6.10?06:01
aitrusFTTP: don't know06:01
(crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: not in pool, no. I created my own debs a couple nights ago.06:02
FTTPdoesnt hurt to try em :)06:02
FTTPlooks like we are constantly updated06:02
icurun a source?06:02
aitrusFTTP: 2.6.8.1-16.1 is the latest, though06:02
FTTPyep06:02
aitrusFTTP: it confused me at first as well06:02
(crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: if you just want to try 2.6.10-rc2, they're in that kernel.06:02
icucrimsun:  how stable is 2.6.10-rc2 so far?06:02
FTTPaitrus its a security patch it looks like06:02
aitrusFTTP: cause i rebooted, and it said i was loading 2.6.8.1-3... and i was like "WTF, mate..."06:02
(crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: no idea. I use ones from Warty.06:02
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FTTPok all done :)06:03
Tsjoklathit escape?06:04
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) that will wake him up06:04
TsjoklatGmail I think he went to bed... yelling and farting on him will not wake him up at this time06:04
FTTPaitrus:  ubuntu should move the sources to bittorrent06:04
FTTPbandwidth is gonna cost em a fortune06:05
aitrusFTTP: there is a bittorrent for iso's06:05
FTTPaitrus i mean for updates + patches06:05
FTTPsince they are a freeos06:05
aitrusFTTP: does apt support that?  =)06:05
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FTTPaitrus yes..... where does debian get its funding ? :P06:05
FTTPi mean debian has it like that too06:06
aitrusFTTP: the homeless06:06
FTTPand it has alot of users06:06
aitrusFTTP: that's why there hasn't been an "official" release in so long =)06:06
FTTPaitrus ubuntu wants a bittorrent client build in06:06
FTTP:P06:06
FTTPi dont know what they will use it for tho06:06
FTTPthey should use it for package management06:06
FTTPwould save tons of dough06:07
FTTPand we all get fast speeds from each other :)06:07
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FTTPproblem arises tho after the mad rush06:07
(Gmail/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: we will see about that06:07
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TsjoklatGmail: suit yourself but it is becoming rather annoying :)06:08
(Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: <aitrus> teabag him06:08
(Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: is going to kill me06:08
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) i faked that06:09
(Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: didn't really say that06:09
FTTPi cant wait for hoary official06:10
Tsjoklat*yawn*06:10
FTTPthis os is working like a dreaM06:10
(Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: only 3 months to go??06:10
FTTPgmail 6 i thought?06:10
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FTTPanyways06:10
(Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: told me what it means06:10
FTTPgmail:  Only problem is grub06:10
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) i am going to kill him now06:11
FTTPgmail:  and the bootscreens and stuff06:11
FTTPneeds a little tweaking which will be done for sure :P06:11
(Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: ya alot of the stuff they said will be in hoary is here already06:11
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) he told me to say something totally sick06:12
aitruswhat??06:12
(Gmail/#ubuntu) /silince aitrus06:12
(Gmail/#ubuntu) err06:12
FTTPgmail u using hoary now?06:13
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(Gmail/#ubuntu) how do i spell silince06:13
FTTPim afraid to update to hoary after my bad experiences06:13
FTTPshould i use hoary instead or no?06:13
(Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: been from the min the merge has been fished06:13
FTTPgmail any problems?06:13
(Gmail/#ubuntu) upgrade06:13
FTTPu recommend it?06:13
(Gmail/#ubuntu) as long as you know what you are doing06:13
FTTPyeah06:13
FTTPok06:13
seek187I like hoary06:14
FTTPwell06:14
FTTPhow do i add hoary?06:14
(Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: sed WAS broken06:14
seek187But it can break06:14
FTTPgmail they fixed it tho right?06:14
seek187Just change warty to hoary in sources.list06:14
seek187It's fixed06:14
(Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you don't know howto upgrade then its not for ya06:14
FTTPgmail:  lol06:14
FTTPgmail:  ill go to hoary :)06:14
FTTPseek187 ok06:14
FTTPseek187 where is sources.list?06:15
seek187or do it in synaptic06:15
FTTPyep06:15
FTTPokie06:15
seek187/etc/apt/sources.list06:15
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seek187then apt-get dist-upgrade or smart upgrade in synaptic06:15
NewNickHOARY have FGLRX drivers yet?06:16
seek187NewNick, they don't work with xorg06:16
(Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: hoary is not for you06:16
Mark1quit06:16
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NewNickare the developers working on them or are we all screwed ?:P06:16
seek187ATI I guess is coming out with them in december06:16
NewNickicic06:16
(Gmail/#ubuntu) things brake and you don't know howto fix them06:16
seek187they better anyway :/06:17
NewNickIt sucks that I cant use 3d rendering with WARTY cause fglrx thinks im using a 9500 generic when I have a 9700 pro06:17
NewNickanyone know why?06:17
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Rene_SDear ATI Users, We are sorry we didnt care enough to make your drivers, may we suggest Nvidia as a Quality Alternative ?  Thanks ATI Management06:18
FTTPCouldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)06:18
FTTPdo i need to reboot?06:18
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh06:18
NewNickRene_S: lol06:18
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) FTTP: The only time you need to reboot is when you want to use a new kernel06:18
FTTPok06:18
FTTPi just refreshed06:18
FTTPnow it works06:19
FTTPguess thats normal06:19
seek187yup have to reload06:19
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) yes06:19
Rene_SWhat I like is when you reload all fine and then it doesnt dl anything due to overuse06:19
seek187lol06:19
seek187haven't had that happen yet06:20
Rene_SI did on Official Debian servers last week06:20
FTTPoh no06:20
FTTPit needs 60 megs free?06:20
FTTPfor all the updates?06:20
Rene_Sthe one i picked was congested06:20
seek187it's going to update every package on your system.06:20
FTTPerrr 60 gig06:20
seek18760 gig?!06:20
FTTPseek187:  nevermind, its 60 megs, my hd is 60 gig06:21
seek187lol06:21
FTTPseek187:  problem arises if due to updates i cant get into my system06:22
FTTPthen i have to reinstall warty :P06:22
seek187brb, my dsl is going screwy06:22
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Rene_Swhoops hit the wrong button06:23
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seek187hmm I can't connect to the ubuntu forums06:24
seek187oh well06:25
Rene_SAside from Xmms what else is a decent music player that  i can use in Ubuntu ?06:27
(crimsun/#ubuntu) rhythmbox, muine, totem-xine, alsaplayer, etc.06:27
Rene_SI like xine based ones the best06:28
Rene_SI guess I can use Rythmbox its already installed06:28
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scoonwell its late here,06:29
scoongood nite all.06:29
(crimsun/#ubuntu) ni06:30
FTTPdang06:34
FTTPhoary takes this long?06:34
FTTPhundreds of files06:34
Rene_S575 or so06:34
FTTPits gonna take till tomorrow06:35
FTTPwell i download quick at 5mBPS06:35
FTTPbut now its installing06:35
FTTPis hoary much different?06:36
Rene_SXorg06:36
FTTPother than xorg?06:36
FTTPor thats it06:36
Rene_Sthink there beta testing Gnome as well06:36
FTTPi mean significant changes06:36
FTTPit got added today?06:36
Rene_Sthere are some 2.9 packages06:37
FTTPkewl06:37
FTTPis xorg any noticably different?06:37
Rene_SNot really06:37
FTTPhmm06:37
Rene_Ssome people say its faster06:37
Rene_SI have never tested it to find out06:37
Rene_SI think down the road there will be significant changes to Xorg but for now I cant notice the difference06:38
FTTPrene:  will my nvidia drivers still be there?06:40
FTTPor do i have to redownload/reupdate em?06:40
FTTPhoary is ready06:41
FTTPhave to reboot or no?06:41
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(Agrajag/#ubuntu) did you download a new kernel?06:41
dasenjoHi, how are you? .. Im tyring to use Hoary with UTF-8, but I have to use ,, in Spanish .. I cant use it in OO .. any suggestions ?'06:41
FTTPi guess06:41
(jdub/#ubuntu) nvidia drivers work with xorg06:41
(jdub/#ubuntu) there is a minor kernel revision in hoary06:42
FTTPagrajag:  Hoary = new kernel?06:42
FTTPok06:42
FTTPill reboot06:42
FTTPbrb06:42
(jdub/#ubuntu) worth rebooting anyway06:42
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) FTTP: well, yes or no? If you did, then you should reboot to use the new kernel. If not, then there is no need06:42
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Rene_SI hope he downloaded all of xorg06:44
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Rene_Si had a slight problem when i upgraded once06:44
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ChibiHmmm. :/06:48
Rene_SHummmm06:48
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(gen/#ubuntu) tp06:49
(Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf Rene_S06:49
(stuNNed/#ubuntu) what package is gnome-screenshot a part of?06:50
Rene_Swtf what ?06:50
(Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf,wtf what06:50
(jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: it's moved from panel to utils06:50
(jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: there has not been a release of utils06:50
(stuNNed/#ubuntu) jdub, ah, ok then, thanks mate06:51
Rene_Swtf, wtf wtf what is going on wtf06:51
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Rene_SI think we exhausted the WTF category here on Ubuntu Jeapordy06:52
(stuNNed/#ubuntu) jdub, what is the command line to take a screenshot?06:54
Tsjoklatgimp file acquire06:54
Tsjoklatbrb phone06:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: that's it, but it's not on your system06:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: you can also use xwd or other programs06:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) gimp06:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) yada06:55
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) import -window root screen.png06:56
(stuNNed/#ubuntu) Agrajag, that's it, thanks06:56
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masshello; does ubuntu support creationg of and installation onto software raid?07:04
(jdub/#ubuntu) yes07:04
massare there any tricks to it, or is it a gui installer option?07:04
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mass(I'm planning on doing it .. well, I was planning on tonight, but being 11 pm, that seems silly)07:05
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FTTPhoary is nice07:08
FTTPno big problems07:08
FTTPtoo many games tho07:08
FTTPinstalled on default07:09
FTTP:P07:09
FTTPi would have cut down on some stuff07:09
FTTPand made it available on apt-get07:09
(jdub/#ubuntu) they're all in the same package07:09
Rene_SWell its a long way till final release07:09
(jdub/#ubuntu) it will be dealt with, howeer07:09
Rene_Sthings change07:09
FTTPjdub:  they planning on trimming the app count down?07:09
FTTPjdub:  takes up unwanted space for some....07:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) i want to fix the overloaded games menu07:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) the other menus are fine07:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) system tools needs love07:10
FTTPjdub:  Yep07:10
FTTPjdub:  You work for ubuntu?07:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) but most of these issues are just synced-with-debian-new-bugs problems07:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) yes07:10
(jdub/#ubuntu) (work for canonical on ubuntu)07:10
FTTPahhh07:11
FTTPjdub:  Not that there is anything wrong with all those games07:11
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FTTPbut it kinda takes up alot of space07:11
FTTPif i want those games i could apt get em07:11
Rene_SI want the services-admin thing back07:11
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) they're very small games07:11
FTTPagrajag no i mean screenspace07:11
FTTPmenu looks cluttered07:11
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh?07:11
(jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: the games menu is very long07:11
cef_workis there a graphical partitioning utility in warty, and I'm just missing it?07:11
(jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: no07:12
cef_workjdub: cool.. no problem07:12
FTTPjdub:  those who want all the games will be able to get em :)07:12
(erik/#ubuntu) ok guys07:12
(erik/#ubuntu) whoever takes care of these new gnus/erc packages07:12
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: they're in the same package07:12
(erik/#ubuntu) be they debian or ubuntu07:12
(erik/#ubuntu) I love you, a lot07:12
FTTPjdub:  oh i see07:12
cef_workjdub: mainly want it so I can repartition/reformat my 500GB USB removable.07:12
FTTPgnome games right?07:12
(jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: cfdisk is nice :)07:13
FTTPjdub:  the games doesnt really bother me, just seems like the list is long and cluttered07:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) it's just long, dude07:13
FTTPyep07:13
cef_workjdub: heh yup. btw: if a removable is ntfs, it doesn't automount.. *8-(07:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) problem is known07:13
(jdub/#ubuntu) it will be dealt with07:14
FTTPjdub:  hoary is nice07:14
FTTPjdub:  I like it alot07:14
(jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: mmm, pretty sure there's a bug filed about that07:14
cef_workhoary would be really nice if when I upgraded it didn't decide to leave me without a working kernel *8-(07:14
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: are there plans to automount internal hard disks?07:14
Rene_Shehe i had that happen to me too07:15
FTTPjdub:  On installation tho the bootscreen login is too small07:15
FTTPthe text comes out as tiny07:15
cef_workRene_S: tis not fun07:15
Rene_Sfirst time i did the hoary thing i messed up something or wasnt paying attention and poof had to reinstall from scratch07:15
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Rene_Sturned out i missed an error message and the kernel didnt get installed07:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: kind of07:16
FTTPjdub:  ubuntu just needs a little cleaning up around the rough edges07:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you have bugs, file them07:16
FTTPjdub:  Is that a bug tho?07:16
Ruffian|Q|Ubuntu is nice, too nice, its soooooooo boring.  I love it though07:17
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FTTPjdub:  i like the fact that gnome and ubuntu are close :)07:17
FTTPubuntu keeps showing off the best of gnome07:17
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Ruffian|Q|: upgrading to hoary otta shut you up :-P07:17
FTTPcame out with warty with gnome 2.807:17
Ruffian|Q|GammaRay, Im afraid!07:18
FTTPreally nice start :)07:18
Rene_SI like the fact that Ubuntu is boring, leaves me time to learn some of the 10 000 other apps kicking around07:18
FTTPjdub i must say linux really has grown up07:18
FTTPi remember those distros where window sizing was all off07:18
FTTPlike i would load these apps and the windows would be out of place07:18
FTTPgnome makes everything nice and neat07:19
deFryskam I in #buttkiss ?07:19
Rene_Shehe07:19
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) deFrysk: nah.. it's #ubuttkiss07:19
deFryskGammaRay, righto ;)07:20
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(Telep/#ubuntu) lol07:21
(erik/#ubuntu) download some Electric Six instead! new single on their website07:22
cryptomattdoes ubuntu support the intel 845 GL motherboard??07:22
(erik/#ubuntu) speaking of music -07:22
(erik/#ubuntu) is there any way to eject my ipod from ubuntu's gnome2.8?07:22
(erik/#ubuntu) I can unmount it but you need to send it a SCSI eject for it to be undockable07:23
cef_workthis should be funny.. 500GB of ext3 goodness on a USB2 removable07:23
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) speaking of unmounting.. is it safe to just pull out a flash card?07:24
(erik/#ubuntu) GammaRay: if you're 100% sure it's not being written to, yeah07:24
(erik/#ubuntu) but it's not recommended07:24
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's just sooo neat when the windows disappear for you (-:07:25
(erik/#ubuntu) heh07:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) but if I could find some way to mount it ro...07:25
(erik/#ubuntu) man pmount07:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I format all my flash cards in my camera anyways07:26
(erik/#ubuntu) actually07:26
(erik/#ubuntu) i don't think pmount CAN ro07:26
(erik/#ubuntu) that's surprising07:26
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) but how would I just change the options it's automounted under?07:27
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i keep trying to unzip zip files and i get an error... something about End-of-central-directory signature not found, what do i do about that?07:28
(erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: get a non-damaged zip file?07:28
(erik/#ubuntu) GammaRay: recompile pmount, I guess07:29
(erik/#ubuntu) I don't know where in hotplug pmount is called07:29
(erik/#ubuntu) but if you find it you could insert your own ro-mounter there07:29
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) erik: its doing it to many zip files07:29
(erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: hm, haven't seen it. maybe they're passworded?07:29
(erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: you're sure they're .zip and not .gz?07:29
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) hmm, maybe07:29
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) lemme check07:30
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) yeah07:30
(erik/#ubuntu) not to insult your intelligence of course :)07:30
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh07:30
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) they are all zipped on a windows machine07:30
cef_workusing which zip variant?07:31
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) no idea07:31
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(erik/#ubuntu) is there a good gnome ipod client yet?07:31
(erik/#ubuntu) gtkpod is useable but the wife isn't impressed07:31
cef_workoutta here07:32
(Gmail/#ubuntu) AHHHH anyone know a site to check if it thundering some where?07:32
(erik/#ubuntu) Gmail: weather.com07:32
(erik/#ubuntu) ?07:32
(crimsun/#ubuntu) rssweather? weatheruground?07:32
deFryskweather applet07:32
binarydigitGmail: dude you've never once in your life checked the weather online?07:33
(Gmail/#ubuntu) no07:33
(Gmail/#ubuntu) is australia on that site too07:34
(Gmail/#ubuntu) the sites very slow07:34
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binarydigitwith a name like gmail you would think you would have heard about this great internet website called google that always you to search for anything07:34
Rene_Seww bslapped in public07:35
binarydigiter allows*07:35
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Ubuntuthat HAL device manager in gnome is horrible07:39
Ubuntui know its just a beta07:39
Ubuntu.release07:39
Ubuntubut gnome can do better :)07:39
Ubuntueverything is disorganized07:39
moonLooking for some help: When I try to use sudo I get: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root." I've tried `chmod 4111 /usr/bin/sudo` and `chmod a+xs executable` to no avail. Am I missing something?07:39
Ubuntuubuntu is definitely very stable07:39
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(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) are there any other unzip programs for ubuntu other than "unzip"?07:40
FTTPgnome is awesome :)07:40
FTTPanyone else get that weird black pattern when clicking on mozilla?07:41
FTTPi mean like a boxshaped07:41
FTTPi just reported it as a bug07:41
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childeI found the word "Ubuntu" rather difficult to pronounce.07:42
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) the mouse pointer seems to flicker when I scroll.. anyone else notice this?07:42
deFryskGammaRay, how would I , cant see your screen07:43
moonQuad: bunzip2, gunzip and many others07:43
FTTPdeFRysk yes u can07:43
FTTPthis is LINUX!07:43
FTTPwe have xservers :)07:43
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) deFrysk: I'm asking if you can see your screen :-P07:43
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) childe: I usually say you-bun-207:43
FTTPif u enable a login i can see your screen and u can see mine07:43
FTTP:P07:44
FTTPanyways07:44
FTTPno flicker on scroll07:44
deFryskyuh buh tuh07:44
FTTPon xchat07:44
FTTPwhere are u seeing the flicker?07:44
childeIt seems that the official pronounciation is "OO BOON TOO"07:44
FTTPdoes ubuntu come with a firewall?07:45
FTTPenabled on default?07:45
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) childe: oh boone(as in pat) 2?07:45
childeI don't know :-( I wonder waht's the sound of "OO"07:45
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: no firewall..07:46
FTTPgammaray we need one07:46
FTTPby default07:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: but there are also no open ports07:46
(|QuaD|/#ubuntu) cd ..07:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) by default07:46
FTTPgammaray oh so it has the equivalent of windows xp2 firewall?07:46
FTTPerr i mean sp207:46
FTTPcan we open ports?07:46
FTTPi mean in gui07:47
childeWhy not just call it "Human Linux"?07:47
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really.. it's not a firewall.. all the software has just been configured to not open ports on eth007:47
childeAnd, at least put an official pronounceation on the official web page.07:47
FTTPgammaray:  Windows isnt really a firewall either in sp207:48
FTTPit blocks ports unless u checkmark em to open em and u can manually add em07:48
FTTPgammaray  im sure that will be worked on :)07:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is no blocking involved.. the ports are not open in the first place07:49
FTTPjust a barebones config like sp207:49
FTTPgammaray oh07:49
FTTPgammaray so if i wanted to use those ports i would have to delve into text and configure it right?07:49
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic you have to configure cups to listen to the net yourself07:49
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ie07:49
FTTPgotcha07:49
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) so yea07:49
FTTPit needs to be a little better in that regards07:50
FTTPu know ubuntu could make money by selling ad space on the apt-get servers07:50
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) actually.. thanks to ubuntu I finially got familar w/ cups config files07:50
FTTPtheres gotta be a profit way for ubuntu and keep open source at the same time07:51
(jdub/#ubuntu) childe: because ubuntu is such a wonderful word :)07:51
FTTPubuntu got 10 mil....... but it can easily be eaten up07:51
FTTPsoftware should be free i agree07:51
FTTPbut....... ubuntu needs to make money somehow :)07:51
FTTPto support it07:51
childejdub: Yes it's cool. Usually I just call it "UB".07:52
childeU B Linux.07:52
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I have been wondering about where Canonical is planning to moke money07:52
FTTPgammaray:  There are ways07:52
(jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: see the front page of the website :)07:52
FTTPgoogle is free07:52
FTTPgammaray:  Not that i want ads in my linux tho :P07:53
FTTPgammaray:  so i dunno07:53
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: mandrake has ads during the install.. not a real big deal07:53
TsjoklatI renamed my cat to ubu07:54
childeWill Ubuntu go to server market?07:54
Tsjoklatthat how much I love ubu07:54
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(jdub/#ubuntu) childe: ubuntu is not a desktop-only OS at all07:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) childe: it just happens to be a very good one :)07:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: paid support?07:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: yes07:54
childe"Ubuntu is a complete desktop Linux operating system," From the official site.07:55
FTTPjdub:  Its as stable as debian even in hoary.............07:55
childeDoes that mean it's desktop-only?07:55
FTTPjdub:  i tried many distributions which would crash on me07:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) childe: not exclusively, not at all :)07:55
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FTTPno stability issues, just cosmetic and some smaller scale issues..... needs polish, and a little work07:56
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FTTPgammaray interesting07:57
FTTPi also find it interesting cannocal is based in isle of man07:57
FTTPtax haven :)07:57
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childeI'm going to reboot and instlall Ubuntu. God bless me.07:58
volvoguybless you childe07:58
FTTP"By locating websites in the Isle of Man to carry out functions previously based in high-tax jurisdictions such as sales and marketing, treasury management, supply of financial services, and most of all, the supply of digital goods such as music, video, training, software etc, businesses can take advantage of low rates of taxation for increasingly substantial parts of their operation."07:59
FTTPdigital good <hint hint>  ubuntu!07:59
FTTPoh it said software specifically08:00
FTTPheh08:00
volvoguyman, i should move there.08:00
FTTPtaxes are irrelevant if you dont make money tho08:00
volvoguyoh. crap. nevermind then.08:00
FTTPheh08:00
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I love the word based08:02
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) they arn't located there, they are based there08:03
FTTPgammaray right08:03
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FTTPgammaray it seems as though the government gives alot of perks, so shuttleworth maxed out his 10 mil investment08:04
FTTPsmart move cause he will get the most out of it08:04
FTTPgood for us :)08:04
FTTPfree DSL connections, blah blah08:04
FTTPim reading about all the incentives to get business there08:05
FTTP40% building grants08:05
FTTPsounds really good place to start a business like this08:05
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Mestaphelesdoes nayone know the lackage name to uninstall the gnome scree saver?  I'm going back in the undo as it causes system freezes.08:08
moonSorry, sudo must be setuid root: FIX:  There was a problem with my options for / in the /etc/fstab entry. Setting it to defaults seems to have fixed the problem. In case anyone is asked again.08:09
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) well I've looked at the source of pmount and it's simple enough to change the options..08:14
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cerebrixhow do i check to see if the module i just modprobed is loaded?  i think i just loaded the module for my soundcard but im not sure08:30
Mestapheleslsmod08:30
Mestaphelesat least I can try to help if I'm not to recieve any08:31
cerebrixhmm i see it there, shouldnt i be able to run alsamixer now?08:32
Mestaphelesthat'l bring a list of modules, find yours and look at the right to see if "any processes have it running".  "0" is not good08:32
cerebrixsnd_ice1724            37444  008:32
MestaphelesI don't think it's loaded.08:33
Mestaphelesdid you "sudo update-modules"?08:33
cerebrixno should i?08:33
Mestaphelesafter the modprobe08:33
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh08:33
Mestaphelesyes08:33
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) if it's listed in lsmod, then yes, it's loaded08:33
cerebrixhttp://www.pastebin.com/12134608:34
Mestaphelesperhaps but glxgears don't show Accel for my r128 if it doesn't show a 1 or 2.  In fact, yes, I've seen it listed in lsmod and had not Accel08:35
(trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: as it says, that shows whats using that module... just means you were missing something else...08:36
Mestaphelesisn't that the point of his question?08:37
cerebrixi just wanna play a cd =p08:37
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Mestaphelesnot only is he intersted in if it is loaded but if it is performing and/or going to perform.08:38
cerebrixso assuming i just did the modprobe08:38
punkassanyone using ubuntu as a server?08:38
(jdub/#ubuntu) yes08:38
cerebrixwhich i did with sudo /sbin/modprobe snd_ice172408:38
punkassis there an easy way to install it minus X etc08:38
cerebrixwhat would the next step be?08:38
(trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: saying ' "0" is bad' is very misleading...08:38
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: stick in the install cd, type 'custom' at the boot prompt08:38
Mestapheleswas for me08:38
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: that'll install base only08:38
punkassjdub: excellent thanks08:39
(trey`/#ubuntu) jdub: now ya tell me 8)08:39
Mestaphelesperhaps I should have written "can be bad but not necessarily"08:39
[Siff] who wants to help me set my default run level so i will boot to a vga console and not boot directly into X?08:39
(erik/#ubuntu) anyone use ubuntu's emacs21 with pcvs? It seems to not work right when you commit a change ... it writes messages to the wrong place on the screen and sets the source buffers to "changed on disk" when it updates the $Id$08:40
(jdub/#ubuntu) [Siff] : apt-get remove --purge gdm08:40
punkassjdub: i may be setting up ubuntu using ltsp sometime soon aswell08:40
cerebrixok just did sudo update-modules08:40
cerebrixnext thing i should do is?08:40
(trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: its never bad... not having whatever is using your r128 module loaded is however bad for you...08:40
[Siff] i should assert that i only want to do it temporarily, sorry08:40
punkassshould make for an interesting project08:41
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : remove the symlink *gdm from /etc/rcS.d/08:41
Mestaphelesbut while we're being pedantic trey, why tell me what package I need to name to uninstall screen savers as they buggy and cause system freezes on my mac08:41
ChibiYou can re-install gdm when you're done. :P08:41
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: let me know how it goes08:41
(jdub/#ubuntu) [Siff] : then don't use --purge ;)08:41
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: dpkg -P xscreensaver08:41
Mestaphelesthanks08:41
punkassjdub: will do...i have fc2 running it right now..and would like to be rid of it08:41
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : sorry.. it's in /etc/rc2.d/08:42
(trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: -P == --purge...08:42
Mestaphelesk I'll have to submit a bug report.  Man having to hard reboot drives me nuts08:43
cerebrixalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device08:43
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Mestaphelesand yes it's "re-doable"08:44
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(trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: Thanks, it is kinda cold in here 8)08:44
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : you can then restore it w/ update-rc.d gdm defaults08:46
punkasscerebrix: u running on a laptop?08:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) boy I wish update-rc.d was as nice as chkconfig08:46
cerebrixno its an amd64 desktop 686 kernel08:46
punkasshmm ok08:46
(trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: chkconfig would be overkill for a debian system... try rcconf though...08:47
Mestaphelesoh and trey' when I finally got those other things working the module did have register a diff number.  But I'll read into what that means.  Thanks for the info.08:47
cerebrixim really new to linux and have really used a command line based os in line 10 years so im a bit lost heh08:47
(jdub/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: probably worth just removing the xscreensaver-gl package and rss-glx08:47
(jdub/#ubuntu) boh08:47
cerebrixhavent used a command line os in 10 years i mean08:47
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(trey`/#ubuntu) cerebrix: makes so many things so much easier when you don't have to click 20 times to do what you wanted...08:49
(trey`/#ubuntu) cerebrix: half the time, I forget around the 10th click :(08:49
cerebrixtrey': its funny, i was telling my friend yesterday i think using windows made me stupid.  its like minesweeper on a much larger scale08:49
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cerebrixoh btw is it a good idea to update off of the universe config in synaptic?  i noticed in the scope of the faq that it says to update before doing that.  just wondering if that will break anything08:53
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: what do you mean? "Update off the universe config" ?08:57
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: update just refreshes the package list, upgrade upgrades them afterwards08:57
cerebrixahh then is it ok to download all upgrades for what i already have from the universe repository?08:57
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) of course08:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: do you still have warty?08:58
punkassis there a way for hotplug to detect if a nic cable is plugged in or removed?08:58
(jdub/#ubuntu) cerebrix: if you're using warty, there's no overlap between main and universe/multiverse08:58
cerebrixok just checking, heh 9 days using linux and this is the farthest ive gotten to having a stable install so i dont wanna mess it up heh08:58
punkassor does it already do that and thats just a silly question08:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: not yet08:58
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: hotplug doesn't do that, other tools do08:59
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: people are working on a program that does that08:59
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) I wouldn't want anything to happen if I unplug my cable *pokes shoddy cable at home*08:59
punkasshmm..ok cuz i noticed that /var/log/messages(i think thats the one) shows an event08:59
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: there are programs that use those events -- and they'll probably ready for hoary09:00
punkasswell i just would be nice say if a user had a laptop, and could just grap a nic cable and jam it in...09:00
punkasscool09:00
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: google for 'networkmanager ubuntu'09:00
deFryskwhy does btdownloadgui use so much cpu (like 80%)09:02
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(erik/#ubuntu) because it is garbage? just use btdownloadheadless in screen :)09:03
calcuse the curses one :)09:03
(erik/#ubuntu) I find the curses one crashes09:03
calcor headless i guess09:03
(erik/#ubuntu) in screen09:03
deFryskthats not an answer09:03
calcerik: usually works for me, never seen it crash at least09:04
(erik/#ubuntu) deFrysk: probably "because it updates its gui in a wasteful manner"09:04
(erik/#ubuntu) calc: maybe it was just the one old version I used09:04
calcdeFrysk: never used the gui one since it wouldn't run in screen09:04
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punkassTreenaks: so there already is a package for it eh..or the source at least09:04
calci stick to apps that run in screen :)09:04
(erik/#ubuntu) I was raped .. by Mr. Mesphistopheles09:04
calcmutt/vim/irssi/btdownloadcurses, etc09:04
deFryskcalc, smae me keing in the settings , like max_uploadblah and minportblah09:05
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: there are packages, hey don't work very well yet though09:05
deFrysksaves me09:05
punkassi use azureus for bt's09:05
punkassah ok09:05
(erik/#ubuntu) I need BT clients that run on disconnected-from-my-input machines09:05
(erik/#ubuntu) cause you know09:05
(erik/#ubuntu) I'm not gonna sit there and watch it09:05
(erik/#ubuntu) :p09:05
deFryskazereus needs the latest jave wich crashes my browser09:05
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Mesphistopheleshwy Trey': xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl both have ubuntu-desktop as deps.  So how am I supposed to get rid of the buggy screensaver?09:05
(erik/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: you can remove ubuntu-desktop with no ill side-effects, it's just a metapackage09:06
MesphistophelesI can't even select to turn it off in gui or else it freezes09:06
deFryskubuntu-desktop is a meta package name09:06
deFryskcan be removed safely09:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: leave xscreensaver09:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: remove xscreensaver-gl and rss-glx09:06
Mesphistophelesbut won't that leave me w/o a desktop enviro?09:06
(jdub/#ubuntu) no09:07
(jdub/#ubuntu) ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage09:07
Mesphistophelescool09:07
(jdub/#ubuntu) it doesn't actually do anything09:07
(erik/#ubuntu) it exists only to force other packages to install09:07
Mesphistophelesoh you mean a ...09:07
Mesphistophelesplace holder09:07
(erik/#ubuntu) go take a look at its dependencies09:08
MesphistophelesI don't know what rss-glx is off to synaptic to find out09:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) more gl screensavers09:08
punkassjdub: is there a way to tell if my order of cds have been shipped?09:08
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) gl screensavers rock :)09:08
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) especially the bouncing cow ;)09:08
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: log in to shipit09:09
(erik/#ubuntu) heh09:09
punkassyeah i did but it just looked the same09:09
mojoTreenaks: can u pls tell me the website for j2sdk1.5 debian?09:09
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html09:09
Mesphistophelesyah they freeze my gui, that's how they rock09:09
punkassjust curious..cuz it said orders before nov12 were sent and mine was placed a few weeks ago09:09
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mojoTreenaks: thx, you rock09:10
Gnobodyhow do I get the gnome services panel back in hoary?09:11
(erik/#ubuntu) services?09:11
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: services panel? what do you mean?09:11
Gnobodyit was a gui tool that allowed me to choose which services linux would start up with09:12
Gnobody?09:12
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: type man update-rc.d in a terminal09:12
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: or just remove the service using dpkg --purge09:12
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: but that'll remove it completely09:12
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: and you really want most daemons that start on boot09:12
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punkassjdub: is there someone i can mail to make sure my order wasnt missed  or something?09:13
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: log into the shipit thing -- you'll see if it has been shipped09:13
punkassno it hasnt..but i had ordered them like 3 weeks ago..and it said that orders before nov12 were shipped09:14
punkassso i just wanted to double check09:14
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: well, it might come in the next batch or something?09:14
[Siff] [noob] how do i install kernel sources?[/noob] 09:14
punkassok..ill be patient..:)09:14
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Mesphistophelesthanks guys09:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: have you logged in to shipit?09:16
punkassyeah i just did09:16
punkassand it looks the same as when i orginally ordered them09:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: did it say "order shipped on ..." ?09:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) there should be a little box at the top09:16
(erik/#ubuntu) where's the option for emacs-style keybindings in GTK?09:17
punkassjdub: nope all i see is: Please review and update the following information and then logout when finished. etc09:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) erik: not visible in the ui09:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: when did you order them?09:17
(erik/#ubuntu) jdub: O_o I could have sworn I saw it before09:17
(erik/#ubuntu) time to dig in gconf I suppose09:17
punkassprobably like 3 weeks ago09:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) erik: it was removed from 2.809:17
(erik/#ubuntu) jdub: curses09:17
(erik/#ubuntu) jdub: is it a gconf thing? or .gtkrc?09:18
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(jdub/#ubuntu) erik: it's in gconf09:20
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Gnobodyhow do I enable composites in x.org 6.8.109:20
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Gnobodywith render acceleration09:20
Gnobodyand GLX09:20
Gnobody?09:20
Gnobodywhat do I add to my xorg.conf09:21
Gnobody?09:21
(crimsun/#ubuntu) http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/09:21
punkassjdub: shoSection "Extensions"09:21
punkass        Option        "Composite"        "Enable"09:21
punkassEndSection09:21
punkassoops09:21
punkassGnobody: use that minus the "jdub: sho" part09:22
Mesphistopheleshey erik an jdub removing th -gl and the rss-glx seems to have solved it.  At lest so far as I'm in the screensaver app right no with no ill effects seeing he remainding screensavers.  How did u guys know those packages where problematic over the one still left?09:22
MesphistophelesXFlame is coool09:22
punkasscuz they are extra smart09:22
(erik/#ubuntu) I didn't claim to know :)09:22
(jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: they're gl screensavers. xscreensaver itself doesn't have gl screensavers.09:22
punkassjdub: so should i just assume all is well with the order and wait it out?09:23
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Mesphistophelesan assumtion on my part as those two were mentioned.  WEll thanks to u too for telling me that ubuntu-desktop was just a place holder09:23
Gnobodywhat about render acceleration?09:24
punkassnot sure..im not useing it09:24
Gnobodyand enable glx with composites09:24
Mesphistopheleswhat's that jdub?09:24
punkassall i did was add that to my xorg.conf and install xcompmgr09:24
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punkassand then i had fun shadows that made redrawing pretty slow so i turned it off..09:25
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: hey, sounds familiar ;)09:25
punkassyeah..will be cool when it gets there tho09:25
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) use xcompmgr without the shadows09:26
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) it will make redrawing faster than without it09:26
punkasslots to look forward to in upcoming releases09:26
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: that breaks the panel's panelness for some reason09:26
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) Treenaks: just kill the panel09:26
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) it will start again09:26
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I can move windows over my panel if I have ever run xcompmgr09:26
joseHII09:26
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) and it will be a panel again09:26
punkassAgrajag: i tried that..it didnt seem to make it faster, just different..09:26
punkassyeah the windows over panel then is a bit annoying09:27
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(Agrajag/#ubuntu) well, it's a matter of taste I guess09:27
punkassthat it is09:27
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Meshistophelesthere r still probs houstin09:29
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nickolashi guys! who has ever installed bittorent in Ubuntu?09:32
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: apt-get install bittornado -> done!09:33
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ;)09:33
nickolasok i'll try it09:33
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) might want bittornado-gui also09:34
nickolasok09:35
nickolasinteresting...it tells me that it is installed...but how can  i run it...there is no link in the menu...09:36
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) open a torrent file09:37
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) in a web browser, or from the file manager09:37
nickolasok09:37
nickolasit's working!!!!! thanks a lot for help!09:40
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: good luck :)09:41
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nickolasactually i have another question: i have mldonkey installed...so how do i use it instead of bt? what do u think?09:42
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: open a donkey link?09:42
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) no idea09:43
nickolasmldonkey can also download torrent files... i mean it is more comfortable than bt09:43
nickolasdoes anybody use mldonkey?09:44
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dkghi!09:47
dkgI wanna use ION as windowmanager in Ubuntu.09:47
dkgwhich debian release should I use to mix?09:47
dkgunstable or testing?09:47
dkgor is there another/better solution?09:48
nickolasok. thanks for helping with bt!!!09:48
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Gnobodyhow do I enable composites in XFCE 4.2 RC1?09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) dkg: why would you mix a debian release?09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion is in ubuntu09:49
dkgAgrajag: because its not in ubuntu.09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) yes it is09:49
dkgAgrajag: I just apt-cache searched it.09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion3 - Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) that one?09:49
dkgyes!09:49
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) dkg: did you add universe and multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.list09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion2 - Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (v2)09:49
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) or that09:49
dkgTreenaks: whatas that?09:50
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) yeah, it's probably in universe09:50
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) dkg: open up /etc/apt/sources.list09:50
(stvn/#ubuntu) hm, bonobo has left the building :(09:50
dkgdone.09:50
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) there are instructions09:50
dkgic!09:50
dkgthanks.09:50
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) dkg: look for 'universe' on the web site09:50
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) you can also add multiverse in after universe for nonfree stuff09:50
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dkggr8!09:52
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) finally someone says something w/ the number eight in it that I can understand09:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) dkg: now which part of aol did you come from :-P09:56
dkgGammaRay: aol?09:57
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.google.com/search?q=aol09:58
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jmhodgesok, i must be an idiot..10:08
jmhodgesthe fs on cd-rw's is iso9660 correct?10:09
jmhodgesand secondly, for some reason my 2nd cd drive isn't getting inserted into Disks10:10
jmhodgesbut i can write to it fine (its a cd burner.. plextor )10:10
jmhodgesand the cd's can be read in the other drive..10:10
jmhodgesbah, ignore the fs question.. that was just a red herring10:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) sorry I don'10:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) sorry I don't like fish10:12
jmhodgesthe dir is also not being created in /media10:12
jmhodgesGammaRay: hehe10:12
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maz1977good morning10:14
jmhodgeshrmph.. getting lots of fs errors about superblocks during an attempted mount in dmesg10:14
jmhodgescdrom: hdd: mrw address space DMA selected10:15
jmhodgesUnable to identify CD-ROM format.10:15
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jmhodgeshmmm..10:15
maz1977i'd like to know how to change date format...10:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) on the panel? from the date cmd?10:16
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: ^10:16
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maz1977gammaray, which panel?10:17
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: I'm just asking which date format you speak of10:18
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maz1977gammaray: in italy we use dd/mm/yy date format not mm/dd/yy10:18
maz1977change question: how can I set my locale's date format?10:20
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: LC_TIME maybe10:20
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: you want to set LANG to your locale10:21
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: and LC_MESSAGES to en_US or something if you want English language in programs10:21
maz1977Treenaks: already set to it_IT.UTF810:21
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: what does 'locale' say?10:21
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) does the locale exist? (/etc/locale.gen, locale-gen)10:22
maz1977locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory10:22
maz1977locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory10:22
maz1977locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory10:22
maz1977LANG=it_IT.UTF810:22
maz1977LC_CTYPE="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_NUMERIC="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_TIME="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_MONETARY="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_PAPER="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_NAME="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_ADDRESS="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_TELEPHONE="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: please use pastebin.com10:22
maz1977LC_MEASUREMENT="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_IDENTIFICATION="it_IT.UTF8"10:22
maz1977LC_ALL=10:22
maz1977sorry don't know pastebin.com.10:23
mctavishHi all, I just downloaded my warty secururity fixes and dpkg encountered a problem with the config.10:23
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: what do you mean?10:23
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: www.pastebin.com10:24
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: what is the message?10:24
mctavishSetting up linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 (2.6.8.1-16.1) ...10:24
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) that's normal10:24
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: where do you see an error in that?10:24
mctavishhang on, theres more...10:25
maz1977treenaks: done10:25
mctavish...   /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hdb2 is not a block device10:25
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: did you switch harddisks around?10:25
mctavishsome background. I've moved my drives around since my install, and I'm using grub from another drive10:25
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ah that's the problem then10:26
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mctavishI've got 4 os's10:26
mctavishhow to reconfigure?10:26
mctavishI'm afraid if I reboot I won't see ubuntu again:)10:27
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mctavishoops, this is the final message which scared me: Failed to create initrd image.10:29
ChibiFail10:29
ChibiYou won't make it back to ubuntu alive D:10:30
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mctavishMr Treenaks? Anyone?10:34
(Mayday/#ubuntu) is there known issues with macromedias flash player and hoary?10:36
deFryskMayday, not is you install flashplugin-nonfree10:37
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deFryskis = if10:37
(Mayday/#ubuntu) deFrysk: is that version 7 of it?10:38
deFryskyes I believe so10:38
(Mayday/#ubuntu) ok, ill try it10:39
deFrysknickolas, no privating please10:40
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Micksahey, where's the gnarly wave file that shows how to pronounce ubuntu?10:51
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mctavis1If anyone is curious, I rebooted and everything is ok, I think I fixed it :)10:53
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Matt|hi there. I'm trying to play real movies in firefox. Sometimes the site opens the totem player and it works, but with other sites it tries to play it within a browser window, and it doesn't work. How can I do this?10:54
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Tsjoklatmoz plugger10:55
Tsjoklatsomething10:55
Matt|Tsjoklat, i have that installed10:55
Matt|Tsjoklat, do i need to configure it further10:55
TsjoklatI would look on the wiki page for restricted formats10:56
Tsjoklatit is mentioned there10:56
Matt|hmm i'll give it a try10:57
Tsjoklatsorry Matt| haven't tried it myself yet so I can't give you any solid advice10:58
Matt|np10:58
Matt|nothing in that wiki10:58
Tsjoklata search on the forums perhaps?10:59
Matt|Tsjoklat, ok yeah10:59
TsjoklatMatt| and no luch eh?11:00
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Adrenali just formatted some ntfs partition into ext3, but where...is it?11:03
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deFryskfdisk/ -p /dev/hda (or something) to locate it11:04
deFryskfdisk -p /dev/hda11:04
deFryskfdisk -l /dev/hda11:05
deFrysksorry11:05
Adrenalok, but how do i put files and stuff in there?11:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) mount it somewhere11:06
deFryskyou have to set it up in fstab11:06
Adrenalhow?11:06
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deFryskmake a folder to mount it into11:06
Adrenalkk11:06
deFrysktry man fstab11:07
Adrenalcommand not found11:07
Matt|Adrenal, you must have the command "man"11:07
Matt|Adrenal, you can try and mount the disk without editing fstab if you want to do so11:08
Adrenalok, how do i set it to open automatically at each boot?11:08
Matt|Adrenal, for that you have to edit fstab11:08
Adrenalok11:08
Adrenalhow do i get into it?11:08
deFryskAdrenal, where is the partition located ?11:08
Adrenalon the same hdd11:08
deFryskpartition number ?11:08
deFryskhda?11:09
Adrenalsda11:09
deFrysksda?11:09
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Adrenalhmm, one sec11:09
deFrysksda[number] 11:09
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Adrenal611:10
deFrysk/dev/sda6              /mnt/sda6               ext3    user,umask=000  0 011:11
deFryskand make a folder /mnt/sda611:11
Adrenal/dev/sda6 command not found11:11
deFryskand it will automount in your desktop even ;)11:11
deFryskerm11:11
deFryskfstab11:11
Adrenaleh?11:12
Adrenalput that first?11:12
deFrysknano -w /etc/fstab11:12
deFrysksudo nano -w /etc/fstab11:12
Adrenalyeh11:12
Adrenalwhat of it?11:12
deFryskadd this line :11:12
deFrysk/dev/sda6              /mnt/sda6               ext3    user,umask=000  0 011:12
Adrenal<file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>11:12
Adrenalproc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       011:12
Adrenal/dev/sda6       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       111:12
Adrenal/dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       011:12
Adrenal/dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       011:12
Adrenal/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       011:12
deFryskgeez11:13
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) someone needs to put "no flooding" back in the topic11:13
deFrysksomething like that yeah11:13
Adrenalsorry, just seemed like the right thing to do11:13
deFryskAdrenal, it never is11:13
deFryskbackup your fstab11:14
Adrenalhow?11:14
deFryskand replace the sda6 line with the line I gave11:14
deFryskmv /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak11:14
deFryskmv = cp , sorry11:14
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) wait what11:14
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) he's already got sda6 mounted at /11:14
deFryskcp not mv11:15
Adrenalkk11:15
deFryskAgrajag, oh my11:15
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Adrenalcannot stat `/etc/fstab': No such file or directory11:15
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(Agrajag/#ubuntu) mv /etc/fstab.bak /etc/fstab11:16
deFryskyeah11:16
Adrenalmv or cp?11:16
deFryskmv11:16
deFryskmv = moving/renaming11:16
Adrenalkk, done11:16
Adrenalno what?11:16
deFryskcp is copying11:16
Adrenalnothing came up11:16
deFryskAdrenal, thast good11:16
Adrenalkk, so, what happened?11:17
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) you renamed your file system table, and I had you name it back11:17
Adrenalkk11:17
deFrysknow cp /etc/fstab etc/fstab.bak11:17
deFryskthen you have it backed up11:17
Adrenalcannot create regular file `etc/fstab.bak': No such file or directory11:18
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) /etc/fstab.bak11:18
deFryskdarn11:18
deFryskI need coffee11:18
Adrenalhmm11:18
deFryskAgrajag, thanks :)11:18
Adrenalcould i just create it?11:18
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) you are creating it11:18
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak11:18
Adrenalevidently, i'm not11:19
deFryskAgrajag, yes11:19
deFryskAdrenal, do what he sayd11:19
Adrenalkk, this one worked11:19
Adrenalwell, no errors11:19
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) now11:19
Adrenalso guessing it did11:19
deFrysknow replace the sda6 line11:19
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) sda6 is not your new partition, it's already mounted at /11:19
Adrenalkk11:19
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) no, don't replace that11:19
deFryskits ok then11:19
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) because you won't be able to mount your root fs next time you boot if you replace that11:20
Adrenalyeh, thought hat11:20
Adrenal*that11:20
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) you need to find out what partition you just formatted, because it wasn't sda611:20
Adrenalkk11:20
Adrenalback to windows then11:20
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) then you can add a new line11:21
Adrenalbbl11:21
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) why11:21
Adrenalwha11:21
Adrenalhow do i do it in linux?11:21
deFryskfdisk -l /dev/sda11:21
deFrysksee what you have11:21
Adrenalhmm11:22
Adrenalnothing i can decypher11:22
deFryskuse sudo11:22
Adrenali did11:22
deFryskpaste it in #flood11:22
Adrenalbut i cant make sense of it11:22
deFrysk/dev/sda6 is the only linuxpartition11:23
Adrenalhmm11:23
deFryskdid you format a scsi disk ?11:23
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) wait11:23
Adrenali think i did something wrong then11:23
Adrenali'll go back to partition magic, bbl, thanks11:24
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) did you actually change the partition type and make a filesystem?11:24
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) sigh11:24
deFryskgeez he's gone11:24
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) I give up trying to help11:24
deFryskpoor man has no clue11:24
(Agrajag/#ubuntu) I'M JUST GONNA GO DO SOMETHING IN WINDOWS INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK11:24
deFrysk:DDDD11:24
deFryska Bill brainwash11:25
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deFryskI need coffee (deja vu)11:25
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spiritzquit11:26
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cerebrixok so i got the sound driver my soundcard uses loaded but i still have no sound and opening volume control kicks back alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device11:33
cerebrixany ideas?11:33
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spiritznope sorry dude11:35
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scoonmorning all11:41
cerebrixhola and stuff11:41
scoondoes anyone know how i could use a src package and have it not be upgraded to the binary ?11:41
cerebrixi dont scoon, maybe someone else does?11:42
scoonthx11:43
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deFrysk--target=blah ?11:48
cerebrixsometing like that heh11:48
deFryskyeah11:49
cerebrixim pretending to listen to my mp3 cd's lol11:49
cerebrixnot nearly as entertaining as the real thing lol11:49
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deFrysklossless11:50
ChibiHeh. Lossless audio is only good for synth music.11:50
deFrysklossess is also good for making a copy cd11:51
cerebrixhey where is the modprobe.conf in ubuntu?11:51
scoondeFrysk: was that meant for me ?11:51
ChibiYou seriously can't tell the diffrence between 320kbps ogg/mp3 versus a flac or CD unless there's a sinewave of some sort.11:51
deFryskscoon, what was ?11:51
scoon--target=blah ?11:51
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deFryskyeah11:52
scoondeFrysk: doesn't work.  I want to compile rhythmbox from ubuntu and when i do and then run apt-update, apt wants to install the binary version ?11:53
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deFrysk?11:53
deFryskapt-get source -b so install it from source11:53
potatoI found biggest difference in hit hats & such11:54
scoondeFrysk: yes it does.  but then apt wants to "upgrade" to the binary version.11:54
potatoyou can often tell in percussion intensive music11:54
potatohi hats ^11:54
deFryskscoon, so ?11:54
potato<- is happy on ogg -q6 though11:55
deFryskscoon, why compile it anyway ?11:55
scoondeFrysk: the binary version does not work as well as when I compile my own binary. the music does not skip everytime i open something11:55
deFryskscoon why not make your own .deb and install that one11:55
scoondeFrysk: why should I?  If ubuntu has the src repos, why can't I just use them.11:56
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wartyhi everybody11:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) deFrysk: bump the version in debian/changelog a bit11:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) oops11:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: bump the version in debian/changelog a bit11:56
deFryskKamion, yeah11:56
deFryskgood idia11:57
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deFryskput .1 behind the version11:57
cerebrixis modules.conf the same thing as modules.conf?  im trying to add something my friend sent me the other day to it to see if it makes my soundcard work11:57
cerebrixi mean is it the same thing as modprobe.conf11:57
cerebrixsorry11:57
(Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: apt tries to get your system in sync with the repository you're upgrading from; if md5sum/size of a local package differ and the version's the same then it'll assume something's screwy and "upgrade" it; the usual fix is to bump the version by adding .0.0.1 to the end or something like that11:57
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: exact answer depends on whether you want to keep your locally installed version forever ignoring e.g. security updates in the repository or whether you want to get the upgrade ...11:58
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scoonKamion: I understand that I can pin a version to use.  which would be fine, but the src version is identical to the binary version.11:59
scoonKamion: to change the version, should i do that in the .dsc file and then rename the .deb to match ?11:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) no no, edit debian/changelog before you build12:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you *can* do it by picking apart the .deb but I wouldn't recommend it if you don't know the format well12:00
deFryskdonald fagen on flac defenetly sounds better then ogg/mp312:03
deFrysk;p12:03
scoonKamion: edit the .changes file that gets created ?12:05
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: if you've edited debian/changelog correctly there should be no need to edit *any* of the generated files12:08
scoonKamion: ok, i think that is my question, what/where is the debian/changelog12:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) in the source package12:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you're unpacking and building the source package, right?12:09
(Kamion/#ubuntu) apt-get source foo, cd foo-<whatever>, vi debian/changelog, dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us12:09
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) (er, -rfakeroot too on the end, install fakeroot package)12:09
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Chibihttp://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/index.htm12:12
scoonKamion: what am i changing in the change log ?12:16
(Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: add a new entry to the top in the same format as the previous ones, but with ".0.0.1" added to the version number12:17
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ztonzyhi12:20
potatohello12:20
ztonzyanyone here using Firestarter ?12:20
potatonot me12:21
potatoI'm just a lazy bum using a hardware firewall12:21
scoonztonzy: shorewall12:21
ztonzyhmm, cause when running it it ask for root password...typing it it gives me error....12:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) try 'sudo firestarter'12:22
ztonzyroot is not used in ubuntu more than as 'sudo'  but sudo also means typing the user password (admin, me, only one user at my system))12:22
ztonzyKamion, from terminal works, but not from menu :-\12:22
ztonzystupid12:22
ztonzyheh12:23
Chibiztonzy - gksudo if you want to make a menu entry.12:24
ztonzyChibi, ok12:24
Chibigksudo brings up the gtk password entry dialog.12:24
ztonzybut...in preference settings in the appmenu ?12:24
ztonzyit showed 'gksu'  only here12:25
ztonzyI added '...do'12:25
ztonzyworked :)12:25
ztonzythanks :D12:25
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cerebrix&gt; ls -l /dev/snd12:27
eimI'm yet experiencing troubles with my iBook G3 and the suspend mode with pbbuttonsd. Anyone solved?12:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) ztonzy: yeah, universe package therefore not necessarily synced with the way the main Ubuntu distribution does things12:27
ztonzyKamion, okey ...12:28
ztonzystill does ubuntu works better for me than "sarge" did :)12:29
scoonKamion: that worked, thx12:30
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___julhi12:31
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___julhow can i get the source of my kernel (1.6.8.1-2-386) ? thks12:40
(sabdfl/#ubuntu) ___jul: linux-source-2.6.8.1 package12:56
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flamhey.12:56
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bohrbugI have serious problems using cdrecord on Ubuntu. I get buffer underrun all the time12:56
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bohrbugNautilus cd-burner works perfectly12:56
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bohrbugAs root, cdrecord works12:56
___julwhere is the kernel_src_dir in ubuntu ?12:56
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daldermanhey guys12:57
emohi all, is this channel suitable for not very experienced with debian or ubuntu? i have a problem but I can explain it from too high level12:58
daldermanI need to boot my Ubuntu box with a 2.4 kernel, has anyone done this before?12:58
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daldermanI tried installing 2.4 and booting into it but it all fell apart, is this likely to work if I fiddle with things like ethernet modules etc?12:59
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emomy wireless usb mouse works properly on the live ubuntu cd, but with warty doesnt01:01
emoeven if it is plugged during boot, the whole system freezes01:02
daldermanemo, I had problems with usb mouse during install, I put a ps/2 adaptor on it and then changed it after the installer had run01:03
emohm, a kind of problem is that my laptop doesnt have any ps2 port :)01:04
daldermanoh...01:04
emoanyway on the live cd works, which is morphix.. obviously i have to compare the configs and try to play01:05
flamdoes any one know why i can't use wlan and lan at the same time and how to fix it?01:06
emowith lsmod i can see that the usbmouse module is loaded though01:06
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emoconfigure wlan with iwconfig, the lat with ifconfig and put make the routing how it is suitable for you.. it souldnt be a problem..01:07
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flamemo, the wlan must be configured with ifconfig as well, mustn't it?01:10
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emowell, it should be possible, but if you have the wlan-tools installed iwconfig is quite a reasonable option.. anyway in ubuntu everything could be done with ui, and works quite well, really not sure what stands behind it01:11
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Scognitohi01:11
nevynhi01:12
flami've tried to configurate everything with ui.. doesn't work anyway..01:12
emobut having two configured interfaces makes a good routing a must01:12
flamprobably something wrong with my routing then..01:12
emowell, if you are using only wlan or only lan, does it work?01:13
flamyes01:13
emohm..01:13
flaman option would be to only use one.. and change between them manualy..01:13
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emoand in case you have two configured interfaces, can you reach other machines in the networks?01:14
emoor it is only a problem of access to internet, then you have to check the default gw01:14
flamwhen both is configurated and running, i only reach machines connected to the interface that was enabled first.01:15
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emothen look if the wlan iface and the lan have the same netmask.. if they are in the same network, then the first registered entry in the routing table is effective01:16
flamyeah, i use 255.255.255.0 for both of them. shouldn't I?01:17
emois not a problem if they are in different networks01:17
flamthey're not on the same network now..01:18
Scognitoi got this error "Bad alpha format .7" when i launch gdm theme different than the ones from default in ubuntu01:18
emoin case they are in the same net, then the first is count01:18
Scognitoany hint?01:18
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Scognitoth error is "bad alpha specifier format .7"01:19
flamhm, strange. they're not on the same network.. but they will be eventually.01:19
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Deviledhm, i've a problem...just upgraded to hoary this night..and xorg dont render the pictures..i mean, i cant see the content when i scroll..etc01:21
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Deviledis there a possibility to downgrade to warty?01:23
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_MacGyver_hello01:23
Deviledhi mac01:23
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flamemo, it's supposed to be something like this: if the first iface cant reach a host, linux tries with the other iface.. am i right?01:30
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) flam: not really01:31
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) flam: that depends on a few things:01:31
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) - Is the sender bound to a specific interface or not01:31
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) - The routing table01:31
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) it's not re-sent over another link on ICMP unreachable afaik01:31
flamok...01:32
flammy AP (192.168.0.50) can't be reach with: ping 192.168.0.50 -I eth101:32
flameth1 i my wlan..01:33
flameth0 have the first entry in the routing table tho.01:33
eimWhat about running cdrecord as user, should this user be in a special group like kmen, etc? Thanks.01:40
(mjr/#ubuntu) nah, access to the cd device should be afaik sufficient01:40
lupus_http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/projects/misc/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb01:41
(mjr/#ubuntu) not having soft real-time scheduling and memory locking access might make writing more error-prone, but it is my understanding that modern burn-free drives wouldn't' really be too picky about that01:41
lupus_found this :)01:41
netmonkCan anyone help me with cd burning? I burn cd's fine with nautilus, but all the files I burn becom with owner root and are invisible when I insert the cd. Any ideas how to change this???01:42
(mjr/#ubuntu) they're pretty much supposed to be owner root, but how "invisible"?01:43
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eimmjr: Fine, thanks.01:44
ermomjr, q: what's difference between ubuntu and userlinux? Are they one and the same or just 'twins' in spirit?01:44
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(mjr/#ubuntu) ermo, not the same01:44
netmonkmjr, why are they supposed to be owner root since I'm not recording them as root, and yes, they are invisible when I opne them in gnomel.01:44
(mjr/#ubuntu) different projects, but the goals seem to be similar at least partly01:45
(mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, because if they'd be owner you, and if you move the CD to some other computer, they'd be owned by a random user01:45
(mjr/#ubuntu) and in what way "invisible"?01:46
ermomjr, also: at some point there was a 'debian desktop project'. Has ubuntu taken that torch officially, or is it just a (high quality) debian-based implementation coincidentally having the same goal?01:46
(mjr/#ubuntu) ermo, Ubuntu seems to do a bit more customizing, Userlinux is more branding of a set of Debian packages01:46
(mjr/#ubuntu) don't know about that01:46
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ermomjr, thx. Just curious ;)01:46
netmonkmjr, open the cd and it show no files at all. If i cd to the cdrom in the terminal I can see the files after ls -l01:47
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(mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, does this happen with other cds also?01:47
skaris there any skype like voice chat utility in the debs?01:47
(mjr/#ubuntu) 'cause it really shouldn't do that :)01:48
netmonkmjr, no, only the ones I record myself01:48
(mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, even after you take them out and reinsert later?01:48
eimmjr: When I want to burn via the ATAPI interface I need to launch sudo cdrecord ... as user. Just cdrecord with user perms returns errors.01:51
netmonkmjr, yes. I burned a cd for a friend of mine. last night she couldn't open an openoffice file, so I took the cd to get the file and save it another format. When I inserted the cd, the cd folders pops up, but it's empty. I tryed it few times, checked the hiden files option - no help. Only whyen I cd to the cdrom in the shell I was able to copy the file, and then had to change the permissions because it wouldn't let me change it01:51
(mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, well, I pretty much can't help you with that then, except to say to please report a bug on the Ubuntu bugzilla01:52
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(mjr/#ubuntu) eim, and the user has read/write permissions to the cdrom device node?01:53
netmonkoki, mjr. 10x. I try first to ask since I don't want to file bugs that are result of me not doing something right ;)01:53
eimmjr: /dev/hdb (cdrom) has 0664 for group cdrom. User is in group cdrom so everything should be ok.01:54
(mjr/#ubuntu) eim, ok, well then, to my knowledge everything should be fine, but apparently my knowledge is outdated01:55
eimmjr: It's quite strange. I never had troubles on my previuous Debian unstable system.01:55
(mjr/#ubuntu) I'll admit that I might have not CDs since the last burning interface overhaul, preferring DVDs :)01:55
(mjr/#ubuntu) +burned01:55
(mjr/#ubuntu) eim, as I understand, there's been some changes in the interface relatively recently, but I haven't followed the details so much01:56
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eimmjr: found: When i use the ATAPI cdrecord driver I need to specify the drive via ATAPI:/dev/cdrom and not ATAPI:0,1,0 -- This anyway prints out a warning message but seems to work for users.01:58
(mjr/#ubuntu) ahh, I see01:58
(mjr/#ubuntu) yes, the device node is the right way to do it really01:59
(mjr/#ubuntu) I just assumed that you were doing that since you mentioned using the ATAPI interface01:59
eimmjr: Yes, but it has troubles with perms on /dev/hdb then.01:59
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(mjr/#ubuntu) (and never mind those warnings, that's just Joerg Schilling being an ass :)02:00
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eimmjr: Ehm, sorry. You mean /dev/foo with device node?02:00
(mjr/#ubuntu) yes02:00
eimmjr: Ok, fine then.02:00
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z0mbixanyone here use ppc?02:07
nevynhrm02:08
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abstractoneanybody tried to run skype on ubuntu ?02:21
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__danielhai02:24
abstractonehi02:24
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lupus_is there a package for gmane?02:26
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gorlisthow do you run ubuntu with kde?02:31
gorlisti don't want gnome02:31
z0mbixapt-get install suse ;)02:32
seek187lol02:32
(jordi/#ubuntu) gorlist: you... get mandrake :)02:32
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z0mbixit must be in universe02:32
aaroncukhi guys.. i have added a link to mpd in /etc/rc2.d  by typing ln -s /etc/init.d/mpd S99mpd  but its not loading on boot.. any ideaa?02:33
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: mpd?02:33
aaroncukyeah - music player daemon02:34
aaroncukis there anyway to check that it has been setup correctly02:36
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z0mbixaaroncuk, update-rc.d02:36
pab89Grub won't boot my Windows system after installing Ubuntu, any ideas?02:37
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) pab89: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/ ?02:38
pab89I've read that, it doesn't give any clues as to how to fix it02:38
z0mbixany errors?02:39
aaroncuki have deleted the link, gonna redoit02:39
z0mbixyeah, update-rc.d is the way to get ti right02:39
aaroncukln -s /etc/init.d/mpd s99mpd  been to told to run that, should the s on s99 be upper case02:40
__danielpab89: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=153202:41
z0mbixyes, upper02:41
pab89any way I can edit the grub config file to fix it or is my windows partition destroyed?02:41
z0mbixupdate-rc.d does all that for you and more02:41
aaroncuklets reboot and see lol02:42
z0mbixpab89: do u get any error when it doesn't boot windows?02:42
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pab89z0mbix: I'll reboot and write it down02:43
z0mbixk02:43
aaroncukthat worked zomb, thanks02:44
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aaroncukonto my next problem lol. ubuntu is showing my 160gb hard drive as 137gb.. even taking into account the whole 1024 thing, it should be at least 15202:46
aaroncuksomeone sais there was a way to fix this in the kernel02:47
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pab89ok, I get the following error booting XP02:47
pab89root (hd0,0)02:48
pab89Filesystem type unknown, Partition type 0x702:48
__danielpab89: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=153202:48
pab89that looks promising, brb02:49
z0mbixaaroncuk: cool :)02:49
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pab89from what I've looked up it's often related to the 2.6 kernel, do you think if I pulled out my suse 9.0 discs (kernel 2.4) it might fix the problem?02:55
aaroncukjust need to reclain the rest of my hard drive lol02:55
__danielpab89: what are you going to do? install suse again?!02:55
pab89nonono, right, I just installed Ubuntu to find that I can't boot the windows XP partition, I also have suse 9 (kernel 2.4) discs. While reading some of the articles I read that it was more a bug with the 2.6 kernel so I was wondering if that would solve anything02:57
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aaroncukhmm i have an x in the middle of my screen, any ideas? lol02:59
raphaHi all!02:59
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raphaaaroncuk: Oh, my girlfriend has the same problem. It goes away when you move a window over it. But now idea how to permantently get rid of it :-/02:59
__danielpab89: dont think so :-(02:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) pab89: try http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/, see if that's useful03:00
pab89hmmmm, well I'm reading that now, it looks a bit daunting but I've got no other options03:00
pab89it says the solution is this line: sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda03:02
pab89but do I need to input variables or does it work "as-is"03:02
aaroncukits something to do with x server config03:02
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pab89I'm still not sure how to perform the commands in that article03:10
pab89:'(03:17
Fwiffo_pab89: A friend of mine encountered what seems to be the same problem you have, he fixed it by changinging from CHS to LBA in the BIOS03:18
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pab89chs to lba...ok, thanks03:19
pab89If I don't come back it hasn't worked, lol03:19
Fwiffo_:o)03:19
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martin1hi03:26
martin1I have a problem setting up my network with ubuntu03:26
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martin1I managed to get my Netgear MA111 wlan usb thingie working with linux-wlan-ng03:27
pab89got XP and Ubuntu working together now03:27
pab89thnx03:27
Fwiffo_super!03:27
martin1I can ping all computers including my hardware router on that network03:27
martin1but when I try to add a default route to my router it says "network unreachable03:27
martin1even though I can ping that host and it's only one hop away and I've got a route to 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 via wlan003:28
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martin1I'm totally desperate, I just don't understand that03:28
childeHi. I've just installed Ubuntu!03:28
martin1can anyone help me with that?03:28
childeThe installation is very easy.03:29
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childeBye.03:29
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gnurthehe03:29
genwhat a weirdo03:29
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__danielgen|out: he was nice enough to tell it03:30
Fwiffo_yeah, nice with a few success-stories instead of only problem-reports :o)03:31
z0mbixany ppc users here?03:32
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martin1so, has anyone got experience with weird routing problems?03:33
Rene_SActually, mine went very well and I got all my plugins installed, Point2Play works, and Crossover Office runs nice and smooth, even IE runs a tad faster03:33
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cardadorRene_S: why do you need IE?03:34
sirfredHi.03:34
sirfredI've just switched to Hoary. a little question about DRI.03:34
Rene_SI dont it gets installed with Office XP03:34
kensaicardador, to get spywares maybe03:34
cardadorRene_S: ah ok :)03:35
sirfredI thought that the last X.org version has DRI support for the mach64 ati chipset.03:35
sirfredBut I cannot find the driver on my install.03:35
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) sirfred: do you have a basic install, or did you upgrade (not recommended!) to hoary03:36
Rene_SI would use Openoffice more but some of my work doesn't translate well between office xp and openoffice03:36
sirfredTreenaks: I upgraded.03:36
sirfredTreenaks: But I'm sure I'm on x.org.03:36
moyoteDoes anyone if sed has be fixed in hoary?03:36
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) it has03:36
moyotes/be/been03:36
moyotety03:36
kensaiOpen Office is far superior in my case I have never had a problem03:37
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kensainot even opening and editing my documents in a winslows pc03:37
Rene_SI don't for the most part, just some presentations and a couple of spreadsheets seem to get mangled a little and I am too lazy to redo them03:37
kensaiOhh03:38
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Rene_SBesides its a nice sell point to show people that you can go Windows free and not have relearn everything03:39
martin1is there noone here who can help me ? :(03:40
Rene_SSorry martin1 I dont do networking03:40
z0mbixmartin, what are all the ip's subnet etc?03:41
martin1well, my home lan subnet is 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.003:41
martin1the computer in question gets an 192.168.0.10 assigned by dhcp03:41
martin1the router has the ip 192.168.0.103:42
martin1but I can't add a default route to the router03:42
z0mbixlinux router?03:42
martin1hardware router from netgear03:42
martin1when I do dhclient wlan0 the dhclient seems to try to add the correct default route03:43
z0mbixis this default route set? webconfig?03:43
martin1but gets a SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable03:43
martin1I can't set the default route03:43
martin1that's the really strange point03:43
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martin1I can ping the router, but when I try "sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1" I get the above message03:44
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martin1how can the network 192.168.0.0 be unreachable if there is a route to it and I can ping the machines on that network?03:45
sirfredmartin1: Are you able to put the route manually?03:45
z0mbixthat's what the route add command is03:46
sirfredExcuse me.03:46
martin1no sirfred03:46
sirfredI didn't read the line.03:46
z0mbixmartin1: bit the network unreachable is the external network not the 192.168.0.0 network03:46
martin1can it be somehow related to that ipv6 stuff?03:46
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sirfredmartin1: Are you sure that your NIC IP belongs to that network?03:47
martin1pretty much so, my NIC IP is 192.168.0.10 and the network is 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.003:47
sirfredmartin1: Is the ethernet card up?03:47
martin1yes03:47
sirfredVery strange.03:48
martin1ifconfig shows wlan0 with the correct ip and all03:48
sirfredifconfig wlan0 ?03:48
martin1yes03:48
martin1should I write it down here?03:48
sirfredmartin1: The inet addr: line and the UP line.03:48
sirfredmartin1: Please03:49
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attifinchhello03:49
martin1(locale is german...) inet Adresse: 192.168.0.10 Bcast: 192.168.0.255 Maske: 255.255.255.003:49
sirfredmartin1: That's fine.03:49
martin1UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:103:49
sirfredI think that's fine.03:50
attifinchi have a quesiton im thinking of switching from mandrake to ubuntu .. any major resons to?03:50
martin1when I run route -C all lines have "lo" at the end as the interface, is that sane?03:51
drac_euh nop03:51
sirfredmartin1: I have some for the eth0.03:51
martin1like, after pinging 192.168.0.1 it says "192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 l 0 0 2 lo"03:51
sirfredANd you're able to ping that ip?03:52
martin1yes03:52
martin1ah well, if I connect to this laptop via ssh (which works w/o any problems)03:52
martin1I get lines within that with iface wlan003:53
sirfredmartin1: What do you have in your /etc/hosts ?03:53
martin1maybe thats the problem?03:53
drac_15:55 drac@portable ~% route -n | grep lo |wc -l03:53
drac_003:53
moyoteattifinch, Well, that's a loaded question in this room since we use Ubuntu. try it and see for yourself. You can always go back to Mandrake if you want to. :-)03:53
martin1pretty much untouched: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost perseus03:53
sirfredmartin1: And route -n ?03:53
martin1and then some ip6 lines03:53
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martin1just one single route, target 192.168.0.0 router 0.0.0.0 genmask 255.255.255.0 Flags U Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface wlan003:54
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sirfredmartin1: I can't understand it.03:55
sirfredmartin1: My configuration is really near yours.03:55
sirfredmartin1: But, I'm able to add the route.03:55
martin1me too sirfred03:55
sirfredmartin1: You sure about the line syntax?03:56
martin1it's not that I was completely unexperienced with networking on linux...03:56
sirfredroute add default gw 172.26.0.103:56
martin1"route add default gw 192.168.0.1"03:56
martin1oh, + "dev wlan0"03:56
sirfredExcuse me, that's my line.03:56
sirfredHave you tried with and without 'dev wlan0' ?03:57
martin1the strange thing is that even dhclient can't set the route while hes trying to03:57
martin1yes, in that case I get "network is down" ..03:57
sirfredmartin1: Well, at least, it's coherent.03:57
sirfrednetwork is down.03:57
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martin1"network is not active"03:57
martin1btw I had to manually get the wlan0 dev up because the scripts didn't work03:58
martin1using wlanctl wlan0 [ ... strange commands here ... ] 03:58
martin1s/wlanctl/wlanctl-ng/03:58
sirfredmartin1: But it seems to be up03:58
martin1it clearly is up03:59
martin1I can ssh from that box to this computer03:59
sirfredmartin1: When you write only ifconfig, did it shows?03:59
sirfredthe wlan0 ?03:59
martin1yes, and lo03:59
sirfredMy only difference is the MTU03:59
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martin1uh, and if I "ifconfig lo down" I can't ping my router anymore??03:59
sirfredI suppose that you're using some kind of PPPoE encapsulation.04:00
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) your router is in lo?04:00
sirfredBut, that's a mess04:00
martin1though I can still reach my notebook via ssh04:00
sirfredWhat have lo to do with the router?04:00
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martin1no, my router is not in lo04:00
martin1at least, he shouldn't be!04:00
sirfredWhat do you have in lo, ifconfig ?04:00
sirfredwhat inet addr and that kind of things?04:01
martin1excuse me?04:01
sirfredIs lo with inet addr: 127.0.0.1 ?04:01
martin1127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.004:01
sirfredIt seems a joke.04:01
mindphasrhrm still have not received my cds :(04:01
martin1and only if that one's up it works04:01
sirfredIt seems that lo and wlan0 are in shortcircuit or something so.04:02
martin1or better, it doesn't work ...04:02
martin1yes sirfred, but apparently only for 192.168.0.104:02
martin1rest of the world is fine04:02
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sirfredmartin1: Have you configured that network in any other place?04:02
martin1mh - maybe if I change my routers IP adress to be something like 192.168.0.99?04:03
martin1what other place?04:03
sirfredmartin1: What do you have in /etc/networks.04:03
sirfredFor example.04:03
martin1I'm completely unfamiliar with ubuntu configuration I have to admit04:03
sirfredmartin1: Neither I am, it's like debian, more or less.04:03
martin1in /etc/networks/interaces is some stuff04:03
martin1auto lo04:03
sirfredmartin1: The file is /etc/network/interfaces04:03
martin1iface lo inet loopback04:03
martin1iface wlan0 inet dhcp04:04
martin1auto wlan0 ...04:04
sirfredmartin1: That's fine.04:04
sirfredmartin1: Try a ifdown -a, ifup -a04:05
sirfredmartin1: But you'll lose the connection.04:05
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sirfredmartin1: Perhaps you can see some new error message.04:05
martin1mh, wait a second04:05
sirfredmartin1: There's no much more than /etc/network/interfaces.04:05
sirfredmartin1: Perhaps you've configured something else in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts04:06
martin1ifdown -a says nothing04:06
sirfredmartin1: But I think /etc/network/interfaces rules.04:06
martin1ifup doesn't work04:06
sirfredWhat means doesn't work?04:06
martin1as it fails to correctly configure my wlan device04:06
sirfredWhat do you see?04:06
martin1SET failed on device lo, operation not supported04:07
martin1thats strange04:07
sirfredI've got that, also, I think.04:07
martin1it tries to set the wireless requests on my lo04:07
sirfredHumm.04:07
sirfredHave you configured some of those?04:07
sirfredEncryption,...04:08
sirfredYou could try with an static configuration.04:08
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martin1yes I had though i removed them now04:09
martin1I have to configure that interface using /etc/wlan stuff04:09
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martin1it's linux-wlan-ng04:09
sirfredmartin1: I made it in another way04:09
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sirfredmartin1: In the interfaces file:04:09
sirfrediface eth0 inet static04:10
sirfred...04:10
Gwildor_morning :)04:10
sirfredwireless-mode managed04:10
sirfred        wireless-essid WLAN04:10
sirfred...04:10
sirfredThis way.04:10
sirfredIt's automatically configured when ifup-ing the interface04:10
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martin1uhm should yes ..04:11
martin1wait a second, ill try04:11
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martin1how do i define IP and stuff?04:11
sirfredmartin1:04:11
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sirfred       address 172.26.0.304:11
sirfred        netmask 255.255.255.004:12
sirfred        network 172.26.0.004:12
sirfred        broadcast 172.26.0.25504:12
sirfred        gateway 172.26.0.104:12
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sirfredmartin1: From my configuration.04:12
Dephtthe network config GUI is really quite good these days, if will write most of what most people want in interfaces04:12
trinityhi - anyone know how to add a floppy icon to the desktop whitch automounts floppy when clicked on04:12
martin1no effect04:12
martin1the wireless set request fail on wlan004:12
martin1because it's linux-wlan-ng ...04:13
martin1and afterwards it says "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" :-(04:13
sirfredmartin1: Sorry04:13
martin1prolly when its trying to add the default route04:13
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kent_trinity, you have on in the computer-window, dont you?04:14
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martin1I'll try to change my routers ip now, expect a timeout from me ;-)04:14
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trinitykent_:yes - so I just drag it to the desktop?04:15
kent_trinity, hmm, not sure if thats possible.04:15
Dephtseems to work04:15
Dephtonly way to see is just to try it04:15
kent_trinity, but you do have an applet that will let you mount/unmount disks (floppy, cdrom etc) that you can put on the panel04:16
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martin_should have disconnected before04:19
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martin_sirfred, I changed my routers IP to 192.168.0.52 and it works now04:19
wood1Hi to all04:19
wood1Can anybody give me some tips to login to this IRC channel using a port other than 6667 ?04:20
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: uh, look on the freenode.org websited04:20
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: it might have more info04:20
wood1My company firewall has disabled access to port 6667 on all other PCs except the one I am using right now04:21
martin_has anyone got an idea how to repair the linux-wlan-ng scripts?04:23
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wood1How hard is it to built a High End Server using PC Clustering with Ubuntu Linux?04:27
martin_sirfred, are you still there?04:29
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siulcaa friend installed ubuntu and he's trying to install nvidia drivers but doesn't know what the root password is!! he said he never set the password at instalation.04:30
siulcacan anyone help?04:31
z0mbixubuntu doesn't use the root account04:31
z0mbixit uses sudo instead04:31
z0mbixprefix the root command with sudo04:31
siulcasudo?04:31
z0mbixsudo apt-get install foobar04:31
siulcawhat does that do?04:31
eruinsiulca, if you really need root, you can do "sudo su"04:32
siulcabut what's the root password if the user never set one up?!!!04:32
eruinthere is no root password04:32
Dephtinstalling nividia drivers can be done with only one command y'know; after install them that from apt that is04:32
eruinsiulca, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo04:33
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siulcaDepht do you know which command it is?04:33
eruinthat explains whats up with root ;)04:33
Dephtthe wiki gives exactly the steps04:33
eruinsiulca, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx04:33
eruinthe password requested is his user password04:33
Gwildor_the sudo password is your user password04:34
Gwildor_easy 'nuff04:34
eruin;)04:34
Gwildor_where did you ge the mesh?04:34
Gwildor_sorry for last post......wrong chat04:35
siulcahe's saying he need to exit x to install drivers!04:35
Dephthttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto < sure that used to be easier to find...04:35
eruinsiulca, ctrl+alt+f1 -> sudo killall gdm -> install drivers04:36
Dephtcan install the drivers in X, then just restart gdm afterwards04:36
Depht"Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-304:36
Depht   1.04:36
Depht      sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx04:36
Depht   2.04:36
Depht      sudo nvidia-glx-config enable04:37
Depht"04:37
Dephtsorry, didn't see those blanks04:37
eruinnobody else talking in here anyway04:37
eruinfor anyone listening, I think the truetype fontservers should be required by ubuntu-desktop04:38
(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: why?04:38
(Ng/#ubuntu) X has builtin truetype rendering04:38
Dephtwhy would you need any font server?04:38
eruin(hoary)04:38
eruinbecause windows truetype fonts (used widely on the web) doesn't seem to work properly without them. I'm not sure though.. I had to uncomment some stuff manually in /etc/fonts/local.conf to get hinting04:39
(Ng/#ubuntu) that's nothing to do with font servers though04:39
eruinthe problem is probably that the font setup in gnome doesn't actually apply any changes you set to hinting/subpixel etc04:39
Dephthmm, everything on my screen looks as smooth as possible; with no changes at all to config04:39
(Ng/#ubuntu) that's configuration of the fontconfig package04:39
Dephtexcept in gnome of course04:39
(Ng/#ubuntu) I know on debian at least it asks what kind of hinting you want when you install the package04:40
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eruinNg, ah, I haven't got that package installed.04:40
eruinbut the msttcorefonts aren't quite as decent as the ones I grab from XP04:41
(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: why don't you have ubuntu-desktop installed?04:41
(Ng/#ubuntu) it depends on fontconfig04:41
siulcahow do u run X?04:41
(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: that will be why gnome's font config doesn't work too04:41
eruinanyway, shouldn't the changes gnome-font-properties do get applied?04:41
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(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: they do work if you have fontconfig installed :)04:42
eruinah, well, it didn't work before I removed it either (removed it along with openoffice1 (need ooo1.9(04:42
(Ng/#ubuntu) if you remove ubuntu-desktop you are on your own mostly04:42
(Ng/#ubuntu) since new desktop packages can come in that you won't necessarily know to install04:42
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eruinI can't use it until ooo1.9 comes along04:43
siulcacan anyone tell me how does one get back to the desktop after installing drivers on console?04:43
eruinooo1 can't read my quite-important .oot files ;)04:43
z0mbixsiulca: /etc/init.d/gdm start04:43
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Dephtoff topic, does anyone know if there's an eta on OOo 2?04:44
(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: right, so you're tryign to run a development version of OO on a development version of Ubuntu and you're unhappy that things don't all Just Work.04:44
siulcathanks zombix04:44
Rene_SCan some one tell me how to install Windows XP its been so long I forgot .... j/k04:44
(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: that isn't very fair ;)04:44
eruinNg, didn't say I'm unhappy with it ;)04:45
eruinjust tried to understand why04:45
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(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: fair enough, my apologies. now you know why :)04:45
eruinNg, thanks ;)04:45
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(Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: if you want to see what packages you're missing, run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and say no, it'll have printed a list of things it would have installed04:46
(Ng/#ubuntu) you should see at least fontconfig04:46
(Ng/#ubuntu) check to see what else you could be missing :)04:46
siulcaaparently /etc/init.d/gdm start says it failed!04:46
eruinI lack menu, msttcorefonts04:47
raphaHmm04:47
Dephtsiulca, change start to restart04:48
eruinhmm, actually I have fontconfig04:48
raphaWhy doesn't GLX work with X.Org (I just changed to that). X log file says about some unresolved symbols...04:48
raphaDo I have to exchange any other packages?04:48
eruinati?04:48
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Dephtrapha, not many people will have tried XOrg on ubuntu, you may be better off searching for it on google or somewhere04:49
raphaeruin: NVidia.04:49
raphaOkay...04:49
eruinI'm running xorg with nvidia 6111 here04:49
eruin(hoary)04:49
raphaHmm. No idea which version of the NVidia driver I have. But it also comes through Synaptic.04:50
deFrysk<--nvidia04:50
raphaProlly same as you04:50
fabbioneeruin: is it working or are you just complaining abou the errors in the log file?04:50
eruinit's working fine and dandy here04:50
fabbioneops04:50
fabbioneit was for rapha04:50
deFryskfine here too04:50
fabbionerapha: ^^04:51
fabbionerapha: is it working or are you just complaining abou the errors in the log file?04:51
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eruinis there a make.conf like in gentoo around, or do I just export my flags as env vars?04:53
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raphafabbione: Well, it's not working. I also turned on Composite, but according to the logfile that's never loaded.04:57
fabbionerapha: composite and GLX cannot be enabled together05:00
fabbioneor one or the other05:00
raphaOh.05:01
raphaDidn't know that.05:01
raphaOkay, then I'll try disabling GLX when I come back from the library. Thanks fabbione.05:01
eruinthat's only in the 6629 drivers05:01
eruinand does metacity in ubuntu work with composite yet?05:02
deFryskubuntu has an easy install guide with tools to install nvidia05:02
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deFryskread the nvidia bit in http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto05:03
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eruinI wish muine had an audioscrobbler plugin ;)05:09
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tom__would i be iterrupting to ask for a short discussion on some concepts ineed to get sorted in my mind?05:13
eruinnot likely ;)05:13
tom__ok ....05:14
tom__ty05:14
tom__i am trying to work my way throughunderstanding home networking and am trying to get clear in my mind what a domain is in terms of the network settingsin ubuntu05:14
tom__i ave three pcs (hosts?) in my lan05:15
tom__so i give them a one word host name each ....05:15
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CasparHia05:16
tom__then do i goive them all a common domain name ?  what i am struggling with is the idea that eac pc has a "localhost.localdomain" and whether this shouold or could be used across all of them05:17
Caspardous someone know where the VNC vieuwer is in ubuntu to connect to another computer?05:17
tom__or do i need another domain for them to share05:17
z0mbixCaspar:  gertix :: ~ which vncviewer05:17
z0mbix/usr/bin/vncviewer05:17
eruinor tsclient05:18
CasparOk thx05:18
tom__any comment on any of that anyone?05:19
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: you don't really need to give them all a domain05:20
Casparz0mbix? how can i use it?05:20
tom__no?  just a hostname?05:20
z0mbixCaspar: just type vncviewer in a terminal05:20
Casparit is to a windows desktop:|05:21
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: just a hostname will be fine. localhost.localdomain doesn't mean, e.g. localhost.myhomenetworkdomain05:21
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eruinhum05:21
tom__Ng yeah i find myself confused by this05:21
eruinI'm unable to view my own desktop through nvcviewer05:21
z0mbixCaspar: it doesn't matter what u connect to the vnc client is always started the same05:21
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: if your network gets more complicated it can be handy to have domains, e.g. I have a .lan and .wireless at home05:22
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Casparya but how can i controll the computer then whit a grafical output?05:22
tom__ok so all i have to do is call it pc1 or pc2 as a host name05:22
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: yep, then there's a file /etc/hosts you can use to tell each one the name/ip of the others05:23
z0mbixCaspar: install ssh on your windows pc05:23
Caspari don't want ssh05:23
z0mbixor use remote desktop on the windows pc05:23
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: (an easy alternative to running a local dns server ;)05:23
Caspari want vnc grafic05:23
z0mbixi don't get your problem05:23
tom__NG ah ..... now, i have DHCP running on my router ....05:23
z0mbixif u want gui use remote desktop or vnc server/client05:23
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: right, then not /etc/hosts :)05:24
(Ng/#ubuntu) good call05:24
Caspari want to connect to my windows computer in grafical mode05:24
z0mbixthen use VNC05:24
z0mbixor remote desktop05:24
eruintsclient was installed by default here05:24
eruinit can view my local vino-server-shared desktop05:25
tom__ng so in that case, with dhcp, will just the host name allow it to sort itself all out?05:25
dbarnettCan someone tell me where the default user info is for firefox on a fresh install? I  tried copying my old .mozilla and replaced all instances of bookmarks.html under there, also the one in /usr/local/bin/firefox/defaults/profile but I still only have the default bookmarks page05:26
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(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: I'm not 100% sure about that, there is a way for dhcp to deal with hostnames and so on, but I'm not very familiar with it I'm afraid05:26
tom__NG ok ty05:26
z0mbixdbarnett: just import the bookmarks.html file05:26
robtaylorhmm, does anyone know a way i can shrink the spacing between menu entries in gnome 2.8?05:26
z0mbixdbarnett: --> ~/.mozilla/firefox05:26
Casparz0mbix i want to use it but how can i use it? do i need to install it first?05:26
tom__i have been having a loy of fun realising that dhcp keeps changing resolve.conf05:27
z0mbixCaspar: maybe, try sudo apt-get install vnc-common05:27
Dephtrobtaylor, you don't unless you edit the theme; is it really too big?05:27
z0mbixthen you should get vncviewer05:27
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robtaylorDepht: just a bit cluttersome for me.. i guess i'll just chack myself up a 'laptop' theme :)05:28
Casparz0mbix i have it but how do i use it?05:28
eruinI think the icons used are what's causing the spacing you're talking about05:28
dbarnettzombix: copied it to /home/dbarnett/.mozilla/firefox/default.uls05:28
dbarnettalso05:28
z0mbixCaspar: just type: vncviewer in a terminal and box will appear asking for the ip address of your windows pc05:28
z0mbixCaspar: just make sure vnc server is running on your windows pc05:29
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Casparits running?05:29
Casparja05:29
Casparsry it is05:29
Casparbut05:29
z0mbixare you running X on your linux box?05:30
robtayloreruin: not if i run an svg theme =)05:30
Casparyou mean GUI gnome or?05:30
z0mbixyes, in gnome, just click on "Applications" then "Run Application"05:30
z0mbixthen just type "vncviewer" in there05:31
robtaylorah. they dont do real svg themes yet :(05:31
z0mbixa box should appear - just enter the ip address of your windows pc05:31
Casparand then enter?05:31
z0mbixyes05:31
Casparit dousent work05:33
Casparmaybe becose it is password protected?05:33
Dephtis the terminal server client not installed by default? that includes vnc in a friendlier way05:33
eruinit is05:34
Casparit is running also as server but i want to connect from this computer to my windows computer tru vnc05:34
tom__Ng ty for your help there just being able to talk with someone sometimes is a great aid05:34
(Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: np :)05:35
Caspar?05:35
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tom__i have jts found a promising dhcp faq .... tc i will see if that helps in this slow crawl up the mountain :)05:35
(alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi05:36
jmhodgesquick question..05:37
z0mbixCaspar: i don't understan05:37
z0mbixCaspar: i've told u numerous times what to do05:37
jmhodgesi just installed a cd-rw.. and i can write to it just finewith nautilus etc05:37
z0mbixwhat happens when u do what i've suggested?05:37
jmhodgesbut no matter what cd i put in, the cd is never mounted05:37
Casparz0mbic it dousent connect05:37
Caspardous nothing05:37
jmhodgesin fact, i cant even eject using the hardware button05:37
z0mbixCaspar: r u running Windows XP?05:37
jmhodgesthe cd never shows up in Disks or on the Desktop05:37
Casparz0mbix yes05:37
z0mbixCaspar: svc pack 2?05:37
CasparOOPS05:37
Caspar:|05:38
jmhodgesto eject it i have to run `sudo eject /dev/hdd`05:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jmhodges: that suggests that it *is* mounted, but perhaps the window isn't showing up05:38
z0mbixCaspar: maybe the firewall is blocking it05:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jmhodges: start a terminal, type 'mount', look for it05:38
jmhodgesKamion: its not there05:38
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) very odd05:38
jmhodgesextremely05:38
Casparill try now :|05:38
jmhodgesKamion: the green light on the drive stays on ..05:38
jmhodgesi just installed this thing..05:39
Casparworks05:39
Casparit was the firewall :|05:39
z0mbixCaspar: :)05:39
Caspari hate SP205:39
Caspar:|05:39
z0mbixbloody svc pack 205:39
jmhodgeswhen i try to mount it, i get the normal "you fscked this up" error05:39
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Casparalso whit suse 9.2 :|05:39
jmhodgesmmrph.. i hope this isn't a hw issue..05:40
Casparbut only that one will run on my laptop |05:40
the_tuxhi all....i installed ubuntu and i typed "pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0" and it gives me nothing (i think it means that there is no gtk+ libraries and i checked in synaptic that all gtk+ libraries are installed but the system don't see the libraries ( i think) how can i solve it ?05:41
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PorscheBoyhey05:41
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PorscheBoyanyone knows how to upgrade from xfree to xorg?05:42
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jmhodgesthe_tux: thats because you tried the wrong pkg name05:42
the_tuxjmhodges, which should i use05:42
the_tux?05:42
the_tux(sorry for my english!)05:43
greg__PorscheBoy:: add appropriate entry in sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade - i guess05:43
jindPorscheBoy, pacman -Sy xorg (If you were using Arch linux though :P )05:43
jmhodgesthe_tux: libgtk2.0-common05:44
PorscheBoywell, i did dist-upgrade but i didn't x.org package in there05:44
PorscheBoysee^05:44
the_tuxjmhodges, ok thanks so so much :)05:44
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greg__PorscheBoy:: u need a repostiory with xorg in it05:45
jmhodgesthe_tux: and to be able to compile your own gtk code, libgtk2.0-dev05:45
greg__PorscheBoy:: afaik xorg is not in warty repo05:45
the_tuxjmhodges, thanks05:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: were you dist-upgrading to hoary?05:45
jmhodgesthe_tux: np :)05:45
PorscheBoyyes05:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: even if so, you'll only get xorg automatically if you have ubuntu-desktop installed05:45
PorscheBoyi'm running warty with hoary repositories05:45
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the_tuxi should go now thanks so much05:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: otherwise, you'll need to apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg-driver-synaptics05:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: no you're not, you're running hoary :-)05:46
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: "warty with hoary repositories" = hoary05:46
PorscheBoyKamion, no i'm running warty but i changed the repositories to hoary05:46
wasabiPorscheBoy: did you upgrade everything to hoary?05:47
PorscheBoynot really05:47
wasabiafter changing the repositories05:47
greg__PorscheBoy:: and what apt-cache policy x.org show?05:47
wasabiso you have a hundred unupgraded packages05:47
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you dist-upgraded after doing so, you are running hoary05:47
PorscheBoyi tried hoary but it wasn't stable to i switched back to warty05:47
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: it doesn't really mean anything to say that you're running warty if you have a significant number of packages at a higher version05:47
PorscheBoykamion, how do i upgrade x.org only?05:48
(Kamion/#ubuntu) greg__: there's no package called "x.org"05:48
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greg__Kamion:: typo05:48
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greg__Kamion:: i have only sources for ubuntu's xorg05:48
(dataw0lf/#ubuntu) let's just get something straight.. you really shouldn't have your repos set to hoary unless you know and are willing to fix alot of crap.05:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you can try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg', but it's not guaranteed to install only xorg and it'll get harder to do this as time goes on05:49
greg__Kamion:: i didnt unpack them yet, so i dont know exact names of packages05:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) greg__: no package called xorg either05:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) there's a source package called xorg05:49
sirfredHi.05:49
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n00bzterhi05:50
sirfredKamion: Do you know if the experimental dri drivers (the mach64 one) have been built in some package?05:50
n00bzteri got a litll problem05:50
n00bzterlittle*05:50
Gwildor_n00bzter, just ask05:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sirfred: no idea, sorry05:51
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sirfredKamion: OK05:51
PorscheBoykamion, ur command works man05:51
n00bzteri insalled ubuntu but there isnt any graphical enviroment... after i reboot i got just the plain back enviroment dos style05:51
PorscheBoyit's installing xorg right now05:51
Gwildor_n00bzter, watry, or did you upgrade to hoary?05:51
eruinn00bzter, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:52
n00bzterwarty05:52
Gwildor_n00bzter, or did you do anything, like try the binary drivers or anything?05:52
n00bzterjust after i downloaded05:52
n00bzterthe cd05:52
Gwildor_n00bzter, try sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:53
(Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: did you boot the CD in any unusual way?05:53
n00bzterKamion nope...05:53
n00bzterGwildor will try05:53
eruinhe probably skipped the last step05:53
n00bzterKamion just formated my SuSE05:53
(Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: did you get a menu after the first reboot?05:53
n00bzterKamion yes it was something about time zones05:53
(Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: ok; did you go all the way through that? there's plenty of stuff after the timezone question05:54
(Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: including installing the graphical environment05:54
morteohhow do i get pdf-printing in OOo with ubuntu?05:54
n00bzterKamion in havent asked me such thinks05:54
Dephtmorteoh, do you not see the button on the tool bar?05:54
n00bzterit just prompted for CD and downloaded some perl stuff05:55
(Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: that sounds like you booted in custom mode05:55
morteohDepht: ah, I think I have used print to get pdf's before.. but I saw the icon now.. yes, thanks :)05:55
(Kamion/#ubuntu) or that something else was badly broken05:55
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n00bzterKamion humpf05:56
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Gwildor_n00bzter, is it fixing?05:56
n00bzterGwildor ill try the download graphic05:56
Gwildor_n00bzter, try sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:57
Gwildor_just to refresh05:57
n00bzterGwildor ahum right away05:57
zhangbcan someone tell me how to access exchange email from evolution?  i installed evolution, evolution-exchange packages...05:58
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morteohhow do i get rhythmbox to play mp3's ?06:00
Dephtmorteoh, install gstreamer0.8-mad06:00
kent_morteoh, download gstreamer-plugings-mad from the restricted archive. Its on the homepage i think.06:00
kent_morteoh,  Depth might have the name more correct than me,   :)06:01
morteohDepht: hm, i don't see it.. maybe it is in universe?06:01
Dephtmorteoh, it's not in main because of the patent things...06:01
morteohah, ok..06:01
morteohrhythmbox should give an errormessage when it can't play an mp3, not just freeze :P06:02
DephtI would expect it to now actually; what does totem do?06:02
morteohnot sure, but i have gstreamer0.8-mad now06:02
morteohso it works :)06:03
eruinmorteoh, it did here06:04
eruina long list of "no decoder for mp3 files"06:04
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morteoheruin: ok, you started it from the commandline then?06:05
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eruinno06:08
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AciDhey06:09
AciDi just want to tell that i just received my official ubuntu's cds06:09
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AciDit rox :)06:09
eruinI wouldn't have tried ubuntu if it werent for those cds ;P06:10
xiximkopphi there! is there any progress on usplash???06:10
eruinand would I be sorry06:10
eruinusplash?06:10
xiximkopphttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash06:11
HWolferuin: A utility to provide a graphical boot proscess without kernel-patches.06:11
eruinah06:11
eruinlike rhgb?06:11
kensaiAciD, when you received them>?06:11
HWolfxixim, Don't hold your breath. Daniel's awnser to that would be 'hopefully in the coming months'06:11
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xiximkoppok06:12
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AciDkensai > today06:13
AciDthis afternoon to be more precise06:13
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PorscheBoyhow come nvidia driver doesn't work on my system06:13
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PorscheBoyit worked before i formatted the drive06:13
kensaiPorscheBoy, yo did sudo nvidia-glx enable ?06:15
mumeishiI need to install nvidia drivers but need to exit xwindows. Can anyone tell me how to do this please?06:15
PorscheBoynot yet06:15
kensaiPorscheBoy, thats it then06:15
(BeanDip/#ubuntu) mumeishi, ctrl-alt-F106:15
PorscheBoywell, i know that u don't need to do that...all u have to do is change "nv" to "nvidia"06:15
kensaimumeishi, binarydriverhowto in www.ubuntulinux.org06:16
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kensaiPorscheBoy, no In ubuntu you need to do that06:16
mumeishiThank you. I'll take a look06:16
PorscheBoydamn, my xserver is messed up06:16
PorscheBoyi just upgraded to x.org and not after typing sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, it wants the XFree86Config-406:17
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DephtBeanDip, that doesn't quit X, just takes you to another console06:17
kent_What would happen if i install Ubuntu and already have a /home with "kent" directory. Will it be overwritten if i create a user kent when installing? or will the program that adds users use the old dir?06:17
PorscheBoynot=now, typo06:17
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kent_: that's fine, we just call adduser and it won't overwrite an existing home directory06:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kent_: just be careful during partitioning; you'll have to use manual partitioning06:18
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PorscheBoywho is running hoary in here?06:19
kensaiPorscheBoy, 90% of us06:19
PorscheBoyok, great06:19
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Dephthow stable is hoary right now? in terms of crashing that is, not as in changing06:19
PorscheBoykensai, do u have a slow desktop refresh problem?06:19
kensaiPorscheBoy, But I configure nvidia driver in XFree and then upgrade to Xorg06:20
kensaiPorscheBoy, nope no problem here06:20
kent_Kamion, thanks. I was only interested in if adduser overwrites directorys..06:21
mxpxpodDepht: fairly stable for me running it on an ibook g406:21
PorscheBoyreason y i downgraded to warty cause in hoary the Desktop would take forever for a file to appear after i downloaded something to the Desktop06:21
PorscheBoyso they fixed that problem?06:21
danielsPorscheBoy: apt-get install gamin06:21
danielsalternately, just keep the ubuntu-desktop package installed06:21
eruinany of you noticed microsoft has released directx for bsd ?06:21
PorscheBoydaniels, what's that?06:21
DephtPorscheBoy, actually, I think that's an issue with gnome in general, if you open the Desktop dir notmally and refresh, things appear06:22
mxpxpodPorscheBoy: replacement for fam06:22
kensaiPorscheBoy, right I forgot about gamin06:22
kensaisorry06:22
PorscheBoywhat's gamin?06:22
(Kamion/#ubuntu) 17:22 < mxpxpod> PorscheBoy: replacement for fam06:22
(Kamion/#ubuntu) (fam == file access monitor)06:22
mxpxpodthanks Kamion06:23
Dephtand more to the point, what's the logic behind the name? the site won't tell me in english06:23
PorscheBoydaniels, can u tell me what does gamin do?06:23
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: it monitors files or directories for change06:23
eruingnome access monitor'in ? :P06:23
kensaiPorscheBoy, it fix your problem making refreshing desktop faster06:23
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: and gives other programs notifications if there are changes06:24
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PorscheBoygreat06:24
mxpxpodPorscheBoy: yeah, I had the same problem until I installed gamin... just so you know06:24
PorscheBoyok i'm gonna upgrade to hoary now06:24
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PorscheBoycause i like using the latest apps06:24
PorscheBoythnx a lot guys06:24
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AciDI must say ubuntu is really, really neat06:25
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: upgrade-itis?06:25
(crimsun/#ubuntu) ;)06:25
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AciDit'll definitly make some windows-only users I know switching to linux :)06:26
Robeyo.06:26
AciDgood job to those who contributed to it06:26
Robewhom do I have to poke to get my mirror listed?06:26
PorscheBoycrimsun, lol...what's that?06:26
eruinwhere on earth can I get/install the grub found on the livecd?06:26
(crimsun/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: the constant need to upgrade06:26
eruinit's purdy!06:26
PorscheBoyok06:26
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PorscheBoyi'm gonna download the hoary image and burn so i don06:27
richardjbuckleyDoes anyone here use SKYPE with ubuntu?06:27
PorscheBoy....06:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: add it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive and follow the extra contact instructions on that page06:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you don't use a CD to upgrade06:27
PorscheBoyso i don't run into upgrade-error crap06:27
Deftrichardjbuckley, I have skype installed, but haven't actually used it yet06:27
richardjbuckleyWhich version and how did you install it as I06:27
PorscheBoykamion, what should i do?06:28
Deftlatest version, used alient to make a deb06:28
Deft*alien06:28
richardjbuckley've been looking but found little info on the subject06:28
Deft'fakeroot alient --to-deb whatever.rpm'06:28
Deft*alien, what is wrong with me?06:28
richardjbuckleyDo you have any tips for me?06:28
(crimsun/#ubuntu) richardjbuckley: yes, I do.06:28
Ruffian|JANE|how can I get Ubuntu to identify my external USB CD-RW06:28
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: well, if you want to install from scratch, sure, use a CD06:29
PorscheBoyok, i gotta download the daily hoary iso now06:29
Ruffian|JANE|!!06:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: as the guy who builds the CD images, I recommend against the daily image06:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: use Array CD 1 as announced on ubuntu-users, which stands a much better chance of working06:30
RobeKamion: thanks06:30
DeftI shouldn't have come here today; I'm going to have to upgrade now... this is going to be debian sid all over again06:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: the installer is in a considerable amount of flux right now, and it doesn't sound like you want to deal with that06:31
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RobeKamion: the page is immutable06:31
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: log in06:31
PorscheBoykamion, ok...where do i go to get that CD 1?06:31
mumeishiOK, Ctrl-Alt-F1 took me out of xwindows but the driver still claims that I'm running an X server. Any ideas06:32
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: "as announced on ubuntu-users". see the list archives, lists.ubuntu.com06:32
mumeishinvidia driver that is06:32
(rjek/#ubuntu) mumeishi: That's almost certainly because you are.06:32
kent_mumeishi, you have to shutdown X, not get out of it.  "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"06:32
(rjek/#ubuntu) mumeishi: Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't normally quit the X server, it just switches out of it.06:32
mumeishiAh06:32
kensaimumeishi, just do apt-get install nvidia-glx06:32
Deftmumeishi, you shouldn't need to quit X, just restart after installation06:32
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mumeishiSorry if I sound naive. I only started using Linux today. A bit of a newbie06:33
PorscheBoykamion, should i just do apt-get dist-upgrade?06:33
Deftfollow the instructions on the wiki then; probably the best way06:33
mumeishiTa!06:33
Deftok, I'm going to go the the whole of hoary; even evms and the things I've removed.  What could go wrong with that plan?!06:35
RobeKamion: well, I'm logged in now but it's still immutable ;)06:35
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you have the ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop packages installed, that should work smoothly06:35
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you don't, you're to some extent on your own06:35
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: shift-reload there have been some caching issues06:35
(Kamion/#ubuntu) er, meant to be some punctuation in there somewhere06:35
enablanyone know of a list of known working tv cards in linux?06:36
Deftis trashapplet now in gnome-applets?06:36
Ruffian|JANE|YES! HES GONE!06:36
Deftthat's a nice thing to say06:37
(BeanDip/#ubuntu) gnome-panel-screenshot is missing from unbuntu?!?!?!06:37
(BeanDip/#ubuntu) wierd06:37
kensaiBeanDip, it isn;t done in 2.9.106:37
seb128hoary you mean ?06:37
seb128it has been moved in gnome-utils upstream but they have not released a tarball with it yet06:37
kensaiBeanDip, it's a gnome 2.9.1 problem I mean06:38
(BeanDip/#ubuntu) I see06:38
RobeKamion: doesn't help06:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: hm, don't know :( e-mail me the details (cjwatson@canonical.com), I'll see what I can do06:39
Robeok06:39
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slash_ciao06:40
slash_hi06:41
slash_is there anyone herE?06:41
Deftyes06:41
kensailol06:41
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RobeKamion: sent, thanks for your time06:43
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Deftis it likely that esound will be out of hoary? just noticed that on the seed page06:45
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: there will be a replacement06:45
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) +-06:45
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: a compatible one06:45
Despairld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:61906:45
Despair:/06:45
Robeyet another sound daemon? :P06:46
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: what are you building?06:46
DeftTreenaks, I just don't like esound06:46
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Deftreally I want gnome to use something I can circumvent entirely06:46
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: it'll use "dmix"06:46
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: so other alsa apps will be able to play sound as well06:47
DeftTreenaks, I have hardware mixing, so that's a non issue...06:47
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DespairTreenaks: If you meant me, kernel. I get that with every kernel I've tried to compile, with ubuntu's config or with my own. Ubuntu sources, or newer. Even more worrisome is the kernels PANIC on attempts to boot them.06:47
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: still... you don't have to circumvent anything06:47
Deftjust want to be able to have that startup sound without running an app that hasn't been updated in 4 years06:48
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: strange, sounds like bad hardware then06:48
cenerentolahey ppl, maybe it jus at little rotfl, BUT... who knows where can i get programming ruby 2nd edition on the net?06:48
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: the new esound replacement is pretty new06:48
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: ask jdub06:48
DeftTreenaks, huh? anything that goes straight to alsa is fine; just gnome apps won't do sound effects without esound, which I don't like to run on principle06:48
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: there's a replacement for esound.06:50
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: deal with it.06:50
DeftI'm dealing with it now; just I want that startup sound when I log in! :)06:50
zenwhenI dont have any issues with esound.06:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: the problem with alsa is that it doesn't work on, say, Solaris06:51
(bronson/#ubuntu) Treenaks: any URL for the esd replacement?06:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: so you need an abstracting layer06:51
zenwhenThe only thing I dont use it for is Mplayer because sound gets unsynched.06:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/polypaudio/ I think06:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) polypaudio is a sound server for Linux and other Unix like operating systems. It is intended to be an improved drop-in replacement for the Enlightened Sound Daemon (ESOUND). In addition to the features ESOUND provides polypaudio has:06:52
(bronson/#ubuntu) Oh great.06:52
(bronson/#ubuntu) Yet more standards.06:52
(bronson/#ubuntu) "standards" :)06:52
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) bronson: that's the beauty of standards ;) there are so many to choose from ;)06:52
Deftfound it already thanks; maybe I'm not being clear... I would like gnome to be able to skip the sound server and just go straight to alsa, which isn't possible at the moment: the choices are esound or nothing06:52
(bronson/#ubuntu) Deft: just turn off esd in the control panel.06:53
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(bronson/#ubuntu) Worked for me...06:53
PorscheBoyhoary array 1.ISO comes with x.org 6.8.1, right?06:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: the problem is portability..06:53
Deftbronson, I do, but that means no login sound effect; and also no warning sounds and all that stuff06:53
(bronson/#ubuntu) True. All Gnome sounds are silenced.06:54
(bronson/#ubuntu) That's a good thing in my book. :)06:54
(bronson/#ubuntu) All important sounds still play fine.06:54
DeftTreenaks, hence, I'm not going to demand gnome just uses alsa or anything, just that I can pass sounds straight through to also without running a sound server for no reason06:54
Deft*alsa06:54
(mjr/#ubuntu) IIRC, wasn't the trend to switch gnome to use gstreamer at some point, so that you can then use a suitable gstreamer sink?06:55
(mjr/#ubuntu) (of course, doesn't do much good now)06:55
Deftthat would be the best thing in my opinion...06:55
(bronson/#ubuntu) Why doesn't gnome use MAS?06:56
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(bronson/#ubuntu) That seems to be what X.org is tending towards.06:56
paperAfternoon all.06:56
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paperanyone have a spare second or two?06:57
(bronson/#ubuntu) paper: don't ask to ask...06:57
paperokay06:57
papernoted.06:57
paper:)06:57
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(bronson/#ubuntu) Well, I can only hope that audio servers are like window managers were 3-4 years ago.06:58
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paperI am trying to compile enlightenment0.16.7.1 apt-get installed a older version06:58
paperanyways06:58
paperconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH06:58
morteohpaper: apt-get install build-essential06:58
paperthats it06:58
paperthanks :)06:58
morteohyou probably need more than that, but it's a stasrt06:58
morteohstart06:58
morteohnoe sure what deps E uses06:59
paperare you all developers?06:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: yes06:59
PorscheBoygreat06:59
(mjr/#ubuntu) I'd start with apt-get build-dep enlightenment, and hope that most of what the new version needs is there06:59
papermjr i am in enlightenment right now :)06:59
(bronson/#ubuntu) gotta run.06:59
PorscheBoykamion, i'm downloading hoary array 1 like u said06:59
paperi am just trying to upgrade to a newer version that isnt on the apt repo list06:59
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(mjr/#ubuntu) paper, yes, and I was helping you do just that07:00
papermjr aye, it is working now07:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: I hope you know that that will be an install from scratch and therefore erase your existing data, unless you've been careful with partitioning07:00
paperout of every distro i have tried, this is by far my favorite, you guys did a great job.07:00
PorscheBoyi noticed that when i installed daily build haory i had locale problem when tring to open synaptic07:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: yes, known X.org bug07:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels is working on fixing that07:01
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PorscheBoykamion, so i still gonna have that locale problem?07:01
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: for a while, yeah07:02
(Kamion/#ubuntu) (unless it's already been fixed without my noticing)07:02
(Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: this is a *development distribution*; expect problems of arbitrary severity.07:02
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PorscheBoyok...i can deal with that...but if i install gamin it should fix that refresh problem, right?07:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sure07:04
(Kamion/#ubuntu) believe so07:04
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morteohhm, will warty start using firefox 1.0 soon?07:06
paperno idea07:07
morteohit was using PR1 for a while.. but then they started using 0.9.3 instaad07:09
morteohinstead07:09
paperhrmm, i just started using ubuntu yesterdat honestly07:09
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paperand now im hooked, and will use no other distro07:10
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paperstill trying to figure out what the heck gkrellm themes are under cant seem to find them thru the apt repo07:11
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paperanyone fimiliar with laptop-mode ?07:13
PorscheBoywhat is a good cd-burning software for gnome?07:14
paperPorscheBoy, what are you burning?07:14
PorscheBoyISO07:14
papercommand line07:14
paper:)07:14
(mjr/#ubuntu) nautilus is good for what it does, and what it doesn't, well, there is no good ones available07:14
PorscheBoylol07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) morteoh: no, warty won't change beyond security updates and critical bug fixes07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) morteoh: firefox 1.0's in hoary07:14
(mjr/#ubuntu) you got an ISO, just right-click it in nautilus and burn away07:14
papercdrecord -v -speed=(speed here) -dev=0,0(your cd) iso07:14
PorscheBoymjr, can i erase cdrw with nautilus?07:14
(mjr/#ubuntu) you should, iirc07:15
PorscheBoyiirc?07:15
paperor just use nautilus hehe07:15
(mjr/#ubuntu) if I recall correctly07:15
papermjr do you use gkrellm or gdesklets by any chance?07:15
(mjr/#ubuntu) no07:15
paperany sort of system monitoring software?07:16
morteohapplications -> system tools -> system monitor?07:16
(mjr/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy, hmm, the option is conspicuously absent from the actual GUI, while it is in the documentation07:16
papermorteoh, yah i know about that one, I just like a little eye candy07:16
PorscheBoymjr, how do u erase a cdrw disc in gnome?07:17
PorscheBoyi need to erase one right now07:17
(mjr/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy, apparently you don't in Ubuntu. See man cdrecord and the blank option07:18
papercdrecord -v -speed=(speed here) -dev=0,0(your cdrom here) iso07:18
(mjr/#ubuntu) dev=/dev/hdc or whatever, I'd say. And black=fast to blank the disk first07:19
(mjr/#ubuntu) duh, blank=fast07:19
paperyeah was reading the man pages to look for that heh07:19
PorscheBoyman cdrecord sucks07:19
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paperother then enlightenment, what is another light/fast window manager?07:20
paperPorscheBoy, heh07:20
PorscheBoypaper, how do u erase a cdrw using record since u know so much about it?07:20
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paperPorscheBoy, i dont know so much about it at all, I do believe however mjr is correct witht he blank=fast option07:21
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paperI have never blanked a cdrw07:22
PorscheBoybut cdrecord can't even find my burner07:22
paperhrmm07:22
PorscheBoyso it sucks07:22
paperwhat is the error you get07:22
paperwell honestly, i could be wrong07:22
paperbut most all cd burning suites are a gui frontend to cdrecord, i think07:22
PorscheBoyCannot open '/dev/sg*'07:22
(mjr/#ubuntu) did you do the dev=/dev/hdc thing like I said07:22
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(mjr/#ubuntu) (assuming hdc is your writer)07:23
PorscheBoyno07:23
paperwhat is in your /etc/fstab?07:23
PorscheBoylet me do it now07:23
PorscheBoysame error crap07:23
paperand that error is?07:23
(mjr/#ubuntu) hmh, was it ATAPI:/dev/hdc then07:23
paperand sg* PorscheBoy is scsi, im assuimg your cdrom is ide07:25
papertry running cdrecord -scanbus07:25
(mjr/#ubuntu) forget about the scsi crap07:25
paperoh07:29
paperok07:29
paper:)07:29
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jcolewhats the config program for open office that asks you to select the jdk?07:31
Despairhttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-binutils/2004-08/msg00043.html -- seems redhat has a fix for the assertion fails, at least.07:32
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mojohas any fixed the error = 21 of Cedega in Ubuntu HOary?07:32
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mojo: look in the wiki/bugzilla for a solution07:38
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linux_mafiawhat are people using to read rss/atom etc feeds? so far ive only tried liferea, but it seems hella buggy, and crashes regularly07:43
kent_linux_mafia, tried blam?07:43
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mozilla's livebookmarks :)07:44
linux_mafiakent_, actually yeah i forgot, i did try that, i liked it, but clicking on links seemed to do nothing, didnt open in my browser, that a blam problem, or desktop config?07:45
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kent_linux_mafia, well. I think you have to use blam to add those rss-files,   clicking in the browser will not make it work.07:46
linux_mafiakent_, you misunderstand, in blam, a post/comment (not sure what to call ;)) may contain links to urls for reference, clicking on those does nothing07:47
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kapputuwhich is the linux source package? linux-headers or linux-source?07:48
kent_linux_mafia, oh.  That might be true, i used blam for a while, but went back to just browsing those things in firefox.07:48
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kapputuor to phrase it otherwise, how do I install ubuntu source07:49
linux_mafiakent_, yeah maybe that'll have to be the go for now, cheers anyway07:49
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__danielhai07:50
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cowbudanyone have any inspiron 1100 problems with ubuntu?07:53
cowbudit booted fine forever then X started screwing up07:53
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Scognitohi all07:54
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Scognitolots (or even ALL) themes i tried to load in gdm, make gdm to not start and i get the error: "bad alpha specifier format .7"07:55
Scognitoi use hoary07:55
kent_Scognito, Hoary is unstable. You realy should use the Stable Warty if you want a working computer.07:57
Scognitoi know07:57
Scognitobut maybe i can help improving hoary07:58
Scognitoif someone has some solution i can test07:58
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ra|PBhello08:02
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ra|PBcan anyone tell me where i can set the gdm resolution?08:03
morteohra|PB: it's the same as your X-resolution..08:04
morteohif you want to change that, you have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config08:05
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ra|PBthx08:05
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eruinoh god08:08
eruin1m lovely powersnow back home08:08
Gwildor_?08:09
eruinpowder*08:09
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ra|PBcould it be possible that the file is named "XF86Config-4"08:09
ra|PBthere is not XF86Config in /etc/X11 but one with -408:09
Gwildor_sure08:09
Gwildor_that is it08:10
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cowbudwhat is the page that shows the patches submitted by ubuntu to debian?08:10
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(clee/#ubuntu) heh.08:16
(clee/#ubuntu) so have you guys all seen http://xdesktopwaves.sf.net/08:16
(clee/#ubuntu) ?08:16
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eruinjeg drivermusikkmisjon08:17
eruinack08:17
jdz_Has anyone tried using LTSP with Ubuntu?08:17
eruinsorry, wrong window08:17
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eruinI wish gnome-panel supported flashing when an app sent the urgent hint08:19
danielsclee: pass the pipe08:19
(clee/#ubuntu) daniels: :)08:19
(clee/#ubuntu) daniels: dude, it's awesome08:19
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Gwildor_what that url you posted?08:20
(clee/#ubuntu) looks pretty good with ubuntu's default brown color and -colortheme 708:20
Despaircvs binutils get rid of the assert fail messages.08:20
(clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: yeah08:20
Gwildor_clee, seems pretty cool...is it a hog, whats the performance like?08:20
(clee/#ubuntu) defaults to attempting 20fps here08:21
(clee/#ubuntu) and it's taking up 15-20% CPU08:21
Gwildor_twill work with Xorg....right?08:21
(clee/#ubuntu) yeah, I'm running Xorg08:21
Gwildor_15-20%, tats a bit much08:21
(clee/#ubuntu) just make sure you have xlibs-dev installed08:21
Gwildor_thats08:21
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(clee/#ubuntu) it's pretty tweakable08:21
(clee/#ubuntu) and I'm running it in "kill my CPU" mode :)08:21
(clee/#ubuntu) (on a 1.8GHz opteron.)08:21
Gwildor_clee, doesn't xlibs-dev cause a problem......or is it fixed...or am I wrong?08:21
jdz_Is it possible to search the mailing lists?08:21
danielsGwildor_: no, xlibs-dev is fine08:22
Gwildor_clee, I think itd be sweet if it were on a livecd, to show how COOL linux is.....hehe08:22
Gwildor_beat this fishtand screensaver08:22
(clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: ... you used to use Gentoo, didn't you?08:22
Gwildor_fishtank*08:22
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Gwildor_clee, no gentoo08:22
cowbudare there already test packages for X.ORG on ubuntu?08:22
(clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: yes. in Hoary.08:23
Gwildor_cowbud, xorg is in hoary08:23
cowbudahh I need to change my sources!!08:23
Gwildor_yes08:23
(clee/#ubuntu) yes.08:23
cowbudcool maybe that will fix my other problems..08:23
Gwildor_maybe, or maybe it will cause more problems08:23
cowbudwhat other goodies does hoary have (just quick zing ones ;) )08:23
cowbudGwildor: yah that will be fun too08:23
socommAre there any mods around, you may want to add this to the chans topic http://google.endofinternet.net/08:24
socomm:^)08:24
(clee/#ubuntu) yeah, so with the "kill my CPU" mode turned off, it's only taking up ... 0% cpu08:24
cowbudwtf is kill my CPU mode08:24
(clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: http://xdesktopwaves.sf.net/08:24
Gwildor_clee, hows it look at that setting?08:24
(clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: I'm playing with it08:24
eruinhaha thats nice socomm08:24
(clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: it looks fine; there's an option you can pass to cause it to constantly agitate the desktop, which is called "wavesbystorm" which I was using08:24
(clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: if you don't turn it on though, it goes idle in the background08:25
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f00fbug:/08:25
Gwildor_clee, ahh, isee08:25
(clee/#ubuntu) (when all of the waves have stopped)08:25
cowbudblah enlightenment come back to haunt basically..08:25
eruinthat site tried opening a popup, though, so I deem it evil08:25
Gwildor_yeah08:25
(clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: no, not at all.08:25
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cowbudclee: it looks that way..08:25
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Gwildor_eruin, pop-ups with FF?08:25
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eruinGwildor, yes08:25
Gwildor_eruin, never heard of it08:26
eruinGwildor, if you know some basica js and html, opening a popup even with the ff blocker on is easy08:26
Gwildor_eruin, true, but it doesn't happen........08:26
f00fbughttp://rafb.net/paste/results/xT3Hkk10.html08:26
f00fbug:(08:26
socommeruin: no pop-up here, but you're right there are ways around FF's pop-up blocking.08:27
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f00fbugwhat should i do? i mean some useful output would be nice. :/08:28
Gwildor_maybe check your acces privleges?08:28
f00fbugdid08:28
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f00fbughmm08:29
f00fbuggrr...08:30
UnIDatahi, i'm new user (ubuntu), how start iptables ?08:30
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ElectroglasBe gentle on me please... I am new to IRC and Linux. I need help with the game port not showing up as JS0 in /dev or /dev/input...08:31
f00fbughmm08:31
g3r4rd0UnIData, do you know how to configure iptables in any linux??08:32
socommElectroglas: What sort of pad are you trying to use?08:32
f00fbuggreat08:32
DespairElectroglas: It should be js0, not JS0. Case matters in linux.08:32
f00fbugso i run it as root08:32
Electroglaslsmod shows the game port module:08:32
Electroglasgameport 4736 1 snd_ens137108:32
Gwildor_f00fbug, it works?08:32
f00fbugand now it loads the extensions datasource.... an infinite amount of times08:32
g3r4rd0UnIData, if you don't, try installing firestarter ;)08:33
f00fbugGwildor_: no08:33
Electroglasgedit /etc/modutils/alsa-base shows:   above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss    options joystick=0x20008:33
socommElectroglas: try searching under /.dev08:33
f00fbugmaybe ill reinstall.. whatelse can you do with binary packages.. sigh08:34
ElectroglasDo you mean a hidden file? or the directory /dev?08:34
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f00fbugits odd though08:35
f00fbugit used to work until i messed up the profiles stuff08:35
f00fbugthen i tried to fix it and it started segfaulting :/08:36
f00fbugnow we are "loading the extensions datasource" from t=0 to inf08:36
Gwildor_f00fbug, yeah, maye just try to re-install, so you can have default setting , and start over08:37
f00fbugdmm08:37
f00fbugi did08:37
f00fbugit didnt work08:37
Gwildor_f00fbug, still the same?08:37
f00fbugyeah08:37
f00fbug:(08:37
Gwildor_sorry, I have no idea08:37
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andre1never used im and new to linux - any suggestions on returning my taskbar to its original size. Somehow I managed to enlarge it to huge -the icons dominate the desktop. thanks08:38
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Gwildor_icons.....i think you have to re-size individually...with a right click08:38
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socommElectroglas: Yes, slash dot dev `/.dev'08:38
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Gwildor_barb?08:39
wasabiWhat is hte /srv directory?08:39
carloswasabi: the place to store server data like ftp/web trees08:40
wasabii thought that was /var .)08:41
wasabiaccording to fhs08:41
ElectroglasI did a search and do not see /.dev   What dir is it in?08:41
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carloswasabi: read the latest fhs08:41
wasabioh apparently not08:41
wasabii just saw it08:41
carloswasabi: it's /srv now for data08:41
jovianandrel just the icons in the toolbar are large or the desktop ones as well?08:41
andre1I tried rt clicking to no avail - is there a tool or task bar app?08:41
wasabigood idea.08:42
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Agrajagright-click > properties > change size back to 24 pixels > hit close08:42
socommElectroglas: `cd /.dev'08:42
socommElectroglas: it's under the root directory, not `/dev/'08:42
andre1just the toolbar icons are enlarged.  The desktop is fine08:43
Agrajagandre1: yeah, so do what I said08:43
jovianthen follow Agrajag direections above if you don't get i right away just try a different part of the bar08:43
(clee/#ubuntu) hmmm08:43
(clee/#ubuntu) /srv08:43
(clee/#ubuntu) sounds neat08:43
Agrajagright click the gnome panel, choose properties, set size back to 24 pixels08:44
ElectroglasThe only j is jbm08:44
danielsclee: /srv is love08:44
danielsclee: we're using it on gabe08:44
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mirakhi08:46
mirakI have troubles with apt-build08:46
mirakisn't apt-build supposed to get the unmet dependcies ?08:46
andre1almost there. thank-you! Size is about right just need to get it back to the top of the screen08:46
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ElectroglasSo, no js0 in /.dev08:47
(clee/#ubuntu) daniels: heh, nice08:47
(clee/#ubuntu) daniels: so, I noticed that you already blogged about the shiny crack ;)08:48
jovianandre1, same thing except its orientation (right above where you changed the size)08:48
BuddaQ22Can anyone please tell me how to get postfix to accept connections from the internet, not just localhost.08:49
izyup08:49
izedit main.cf08:49
izand add your hostname08:49
izand edit master.cf08:50
iz127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd08:51
izremove the 127.0.0.108:51
(clee/#ubuntu) http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=130283&cid=1086665808:51
(clee/#ubuntu) Heh.08:51
(clee/#ubuntu) Three shall be the number of the seating and the number of the seating shall be three. Four shalt thou not seat, neither shalt thou seat two, excepting that thou then also seateth passenger three. Five is right out.08:51
BuddaQ22Will try08:51
iz::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd08:51
izand this line also remove the ::1:08:52
izstop postfix en start it08:52
BuddaQ22awesome, thanks iz08:53
iz:)08:53
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andre1jovian thank-you. Much easier on the eyes now.08:55
joviannp08:55
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ra|PBhow can i exit gnome w/o seeing anything?08:55
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izra|PB, ?08:56
ElectroglasStill no game port working... if I do ls input in /.dev, it shows js008:56
izalt ctrl backspace?08:56
ra|PBi am running ubuntu in a virtual machine. and 24bit color mode is nor supported.. so i cant see anything atm08:57
ra|PBah thx08:57
ra|PB:))08:57
izbut you use vmware?08:57
ra|PBi am on a mac. i use VirtualPC to emulate a x86 environment08:58
ra|PBaaahhh gnome keeps restarting08:59
ElectroglasNow how do I test js0? Is there a test mode or an application in Ubuntu that would allow me to see if the port sees my button presses?09:00
izra|PB, do alt crlt f209:00
izkill gdm09:00
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ra|PByeh worked fine09:02
leoneltotem can't play  audio/mpeg09:02
leonelwhat I missed to install ?09:02
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leoneltotem can't play  video/mpeg09:03
AgrajagElectroglas: .dev is static dev, you'll see it there even if it's not plugged in09:03
leoneland audio/mpeg09:03
izleonel, read wifi09:03
AgrajagElectroglas: apt-get install joystick09:04
leonelwifi ?09:04
(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) iz, wiki09:04
cowbuddoes ubuntu provide support for nvidia drivers out of the box?09:04
Agrajagthen try jstest /dev/input/js009:04
leonelok09:04
leonelwiki09:04
(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) yep09:04
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(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) leonel, ;-)09:04
Agrajagcowbud: you have to apt-get install nvidia-glx yourself, but otherwise they work fine09:04
izwiki sory09:04
cowbudAgrajag: and that is the binary drivers?09:05
Agrajagcowbud: yes09:05
(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) anybody has anything negative to say about ati radeon on linux? i'm an nvidia guy never dealt with ati09:05
cowbudAgrajag: cool09:05
Agrajag_lemsx1_:  their drivers suck balls09:05
ElectroglasAgrajag - is jstest installed by default or do I need to download?  command not found09:05
AgrajagElectroglas: I told you, apt-get install joystick09:05
(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) Agrajag, do they work with 2.6.x kernels?09:05
Agrajag_lemsx1_: yes09:05
Agrajagthey have since last january09:05
cowbud_lemsx1_: stay away09:05
cowbud_lemsx1_: I have a 9800 Radeon Pro and I am sorry!09:06
Agrajagoh09:06
Agrajagyou mean ati durr09:06
(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) cowbud, oh man09:06
Agrajagno, I don't know about ati's drivers09:06
AgrajagI think you may still have to patch them09:06
cowbud_lemsx1_: I ran a nvidia geforce 4 before and I am close to reinstalling it09:06
Agrajagbut anyway, if you're looking for a video card to use in linux, don't even consider anything except nvidia09:06
Agrajagif you want 3d working at all09:07
cowbudAgrajag: yep09:07
(_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) i got this nice (supposedly) card yesterday... but didn't open it yet until i find out. it's ati 9550 with 256mb ddr09:07
cowbud3d works for ATI it just sucks balls09:07
cowbudtheir drivers are a pain in the ass and are sometimes the source of lockups..