[12:00] <Zimpee> ogra: yes, but scratching. except of xmms, where i set alsa to: hw:0,1. there is no scratching
[12:00] (ogra/#ubuntu) mirak: and the corresponding hex code for your resolution
[12:00] <mirak> ogra ok
[12:01] <FTTP> node
[12:01] <FTTP> err nope
[12:01] <FTTP> dont work
[12:01] <FTTP> ill burn another distro and use its grub
[12:02] <FTTP> reinstalling is a pain
[12:02] <paul_> FTTP: I hear you
[12:02] <paul_> FTTP: I'm gonna hafta do that myself too
[12:02] <FTTP> paul:  It says file or directory not found
[12:02] <paul_> FTTP: when you enter what command?
[12:02] <paul_> mount?
[12:02] <mirak> damn, I don't have a home, and no browser want to run without home
[12:02] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: what drivers does mplayer offer ?
[12:02] <mirak> that's hallucinating
[12:02] <FTTP> paul:  When i use mount /dev/hdb1 hdb1
[12:02] <mirak> lol, I must browse as root
[12:02] <mirak> :p
[12:03] <FTTP> and /dev/hdb1 /hdb1
[12:03] <paul_> mirak: how on earth did your home disappear?!?
[12:03] <FTTP> with the mount
[12:03] <FTTP> paul did i use the right commands?
[12:03] <paul_> FTTP: did you try /.dev/hdb1, like that one guy suggested?
[12:03] <mirak> paul_ it doesn't disapeared, I can't mount it
[12:03] <FTTP> yes i did
[12:03] <mirak> I don't know why
[12:03] <FTTP> paul:  The directory is /dev tho
[12:03] <FTTP> but yeah i tried em both
[12:03] <paul_> mirak: oh, it was on another partition?
[12:03] <mirak> something is wrong, it says it's busy, but it's not mounted or lsof
[12:03] <Zimpee> dio output        oss     OSS/ioctl audio output        nuogra:   mpegpes DVB aull    Null audio output        pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output       plugin  Plugin audio output
[12:03] <f00fbug> ok.. overwriting my current install
[12:03] <paul_> FTTP: strangeness abounds
[12:04] <mirak> paul_ yes
[12:04] <Zimpee> ah
[12:04] <f00fbug> even though i know its gonna reak havic on the versioning
[12:04] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) havoc
[12:04] <Zimpee> ogra:   mpegpes DVB audio output        oss     OSS/ioctl audio output        null    Null audio output        pcm     RAW PCM/WAVE file writer audio output       plugin  Plugin audio output
[12:04] <FTTP> paul:  Do other linux distros have a rescue cd?
[12:04] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: stop
[12:04] <goonie> does anyone know of a different channel that specialises in wireless problems ?
[12:04] <f00fbug>  thx HrdwrBoB
[12:04] <paul_> FTTP: Mandrake does
[12:04] <FTTP> paul:  what about fedora?
[12:04] <mirak> paul_ but in fact I wanted to install 2.6.9 kernel, but I realised I installed unstable kernel
[12:04] <FTTP> paul:  I would rather use ubuntu
[12:04] <paul_> FTTP: nevah used it
[12:04] <dick_> i need some help with USB
[12:04] <FTTP> they should make this stuff easier tho :P
[12:04] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: tried pcm ?
[12:05] <dick_> as what are the USB ports known in /dev ?
[12:05] <scoon> goonie: no, but i run linksys wireless, maybe i can help
[12:05] <paul_> mirak: maybe try using a LiveCD or something -- I guess the filesystem drivers in 2.6.9 are borked -- and try mounting /home from there.
[12:05] <dick_> i don't see /dev/ttyUSB0 or something similar
[12:05] <FTTP> paul unless i can install grub from windows?
[12:05] <Zimpee> ogra: Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. Audio: no sound Starting playback..
[12:05] <mirak> I still have the old kernel
[12:05] <mirak> I will boot it
[12:05] <paul_> FTTP: not to my knowledge
[12:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: normally it doesnt fail to install grub....
[12:06] <FTTP> ogra i removed it
[12:06] <mirak> paul_ I am serching how to have a bigger resolution in the fb
[12:06] <FTTP> ogra:  it installed grub.......... but i removed it with fixmbr in windows
[12:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: so who are you complaining at ?
[12:06] <FTTP> ogra:  So I Want to reinstall it
[12:06] <FTTP> ogra:  In windows u just pop in cd go to recovery console and recreate it
[12:06] <Zimpee> ogra: i have VIA AC 97 audio sound card
[12:06] <goonie> scoon: i'm having problems with BCM94306 and ndiswrapper
[12:07] <paul_> FTTP: did you try following the install all the way to the partition manager, leaving the partitions as-is (by choosing 'keep' when you're editing the partitions)
[12:07] <FTTP> with linux there should be a similar mechanism
[12:07] <paul_> FTTP: maybe I didn't suggest this to you
[12:07] <FTTP> paul:  Oh
[12:07] <FTTP> paul:  I did it on the screen for the partitioning
[12:07] <FTTP> it went right into altf2 tho
[12:07] <goonie> scoon: everything looks right with ifconfig and iwconfig but no internet..
[12:07] <paul_> FTTP: anyway, go through the partition manager, taking care not to reformat any partitions. THen when you get to the next step, the install will bail because it doesn't want to install over an already installed system
[12:07] <mirak> where can I find the resolution opcode to use with vga option ?
[12:07] <FTTP> paul:  Ill do the partioning screen too (with no partitions
[12:08] <FTTP> paul:  Ok
[12:08] <scoon> goonie: no firewall, or anything like that ?
[12:08] <paul_> FTTP: then you press 'go back' and it'll take you to a menu of options; scroll down until you get 'show shell' or something
[12:08] <scoon> goonie: can you ping your nameservers
[12:08] <FTTP> paul:  so then its mkdir hdb1 then mont /dev/hdb1 /hdb1 right?
[12:08] <FTTP> err mount
[12:08] <FTTP> in console right?
[12:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) Zimpee: only idea....stop esd.....but i remember lamont had a better idea before.....
[12:08] <paul_> FTTP: actually, no, when you get into the shell (after partition manager, after install fails) it'll be mounted as /target
[12:09] <Zimpee> lamont: are you here?
[12:09] <paul_> FTTP: (automatically mounts it for you)
[12:09] <FTTP> paul:  Oh
[12:09] <Zimpee> or lamont_r?
[12:09] <FTTP> paul:  How do i make it so it automatically mounts?
[12:09] <goonie> scoon: yes I can ping my gateway / dns server
[12:09] <FTTP> paul:  any flags in boot or no?
[12:09] <scoon> goonie: ok.  so the card is working then.
[12:09] <xcasex> the sed issue is still live on ppc.
[12:09] <dick_> anyone on here actually have USB working?
[12:09] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: great
[12:09] <paul_> FTTP: only thing you need to do is complete the partition management steps in the install, allow the install to fail, and then go to the console using the installation menu
[12:10] <scoon> goonie: did you try to set it up with gnome's networking conf tool ?
[12:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) dick_: everybody i guess :)
[12:10] <FTTP> paul ok will do
[12:10] <goonie> scoon: the card works but I can't get online
[12:10] <paul_> FTTP: wish I could describe it better, but I discovered it today by accident, and I don't remember exactly what it was like
[12:10] <goonie> scoon: yes the gui tool did nothing
[12:10] <Mesphistopheles> how do I restart cups?
[12:10] <FTTP> ok brb
[12:10] <Zimpee> lamont is far away:) good bye
[12:10] <dick_> as what are the USB ports known in /dev then?
[12:10] <scoon> goonie: how about this: /etc/init.d/netowrking restart
[12:10] <Scognito> hi
[12:11] <f00fbug> hmm
[12:11] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: look in /etc/resolv.conf is there a nameserver line ?
[12:12] <dick_> ogra: i'm trying to connect to my pocketpc on USB, but I don't know what the port is in /dev
[12:12] <goonie> yes the nameserver is in /etc/resolv.conf
[12:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) dick_: plugged in already ?
[12:12] <dick_> yep
[12:13] <scoon> goonie: and you restarted the service ?
[12:13] (ogra/#ubuntu) dick_: look in the device manager.... the device should be listed there
[12:13] <goonie> scoon: yes
[12:13] <s0cks_> Is the installer graphical?
[12:14] (ogra/#ubuntu) s0cks_: nope, but nearly automatic :)
[12:14] <f00fbug> bye
[12:14] <s0cks_> what are the steps?
[12:14] <Scognito> how can i make preview for avi into nautilus?
[12:14] <Scognito> for the icon i mean
[12:15] <Mesphistopheles> I can't get cups to print usb.  device manger sees my printer but the print manger doesn't.  No big deal I can still choose various printers right?  Right ibut they still don't work no matter which epson 670 driver I choose.  I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1383  but the packages don't exist on the ppc repository.
[12:15] <Mesphistopheles> universe or not
[12:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) Scognito: nautilus-media
[12:16] <nimc> is there a chance that video-in is enabled without doing anything in ubuntu ? what program i can use to watch video-in ?
[12:16] <scoon> goonie: and no firewall correct ?
[12:16] <goonie> no firewall
[12:16] <Mesphistopheles> I'm fed up.  I know how to set up printers and this just ain't working and I'm begining to question my time.
[12:16] <scoon> goonie: is there more than one interface in the gui tool ?
[12:17] <goonie> scoon: just tried adding it again through the gui.. it is there and activated according to the gui
[12:17] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) is sed still busted in hoary?
[12:17] <scoon> goonie: if there is try deleting the one that you don't want and restart netowrking
[12:18] <scoon> goonie: and i guess it is safe to assume that you have the wireless-tools package installed.
[12:18] <Despair> scopecrp: no, but binutils is.
[12:18] <dick_> ogra: I can see it there (under USB1), but I can't see what USB1 is known as in /dev
[12:18] <goonie> scoon: wireless tools installed and yes i've deleted the device in the gui and restarted the service
[12:19] (ogra/#ubuntu) nimc: search for video capture in synaptic
[12:19] <scoon> goonie: maybe check here and make certain that you are using the correct driver -> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/List
[12:19] <scoon> goonie: but it really sounds like something else to me
[12:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: its a ubuntu driver
[12:20] <scoon> ogra: what do you mean ?
[12:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: its likely your router.....if you can ping it
[12:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: ndiswrapper is in ubuntu
[12:20] <Mark1> i'm trying to save a file to a new directory i just made but it says i can't write to that directory
[12:20] <nimc> ogra, nothing there (i have universe) - even when i search 'capture'
[12:20] <Mark1> does anyone know why this is?
[12:20] (mojo_/#ubuntu) Has anyone here firgured out the way to fix error = 21 bugs of Cedega on Ubuntu?
[12:21] <scoon> ogra: i understand that.  but the card's driver is fetched from somewhere else.
[12:21] <Scognito> ogra, it is installed
[12:21] <Scognito> :(
[12:21] <Scognito> in warthy this worked
[12:21] <paul__> Mark: did you create that directory when you were a superuser? (just thought I'd check)
[12:21] <Mark1> paul_: yes, i think i did
[12:22] <paul__> Mark1: :)
[12:22] <Mark1> paul:  but i'm not positive.  how could i change that???
[12:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: oh, ok
[12:22] <goonie> I used the same windrivers on gentoo with this router only 3 days ago... all my other machines have no problem with any network functions
[12:22] <paul__> Mark1: assuming your username is mark, go: sudo chown mark.mark directory-to-change
[12:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: type route
[12:22] <paul__> Mark1: go ls -l first... that'll tell you who owns that directory
[12:23] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: is there a default gateway ?
[12:23] <FTTP> nope
[12:23] <scoon> goonie: does anything get logged in the system logs ?
[12:23] <FTTP> no /target
[12:23] <paul__> FTTP: nothing, eh?
[12:23] <Mark1> paul: yes, i see who owns it
[12:23] <FTTP> i dont see any target directory
[12:23] <paul__> FTTP: craptacular
[12:23] <Mark1> directory IS called "mark"
[12:23] <paul__> FTTP: worked on mine
[12:23] <FTTP> paul:  Actually i saw a target0
[12:23] <FTTP> for some bus
[12:23] <FTTP> bus0
[12:23] <paul__> FTTP: what was in it?
[12:23] <FTTP> or something
[12:23] <paul__> oh
[12:23] <paul__> pooey
[12:24] <paul__> Mark1: is it owned by mark as well?
[12:24] <FTTP> paul:  did u use any flags?
[12:24] <Mark1> i actually log in as "ubuntu"
[12:24] <dick_> ogra: any idea? i can see the device connect and disconnect, but I can't see it in /dev
[12:24] <Mark1> so mark is just the directory name
[12:24] <paul__> FTTP: did nothing special
[12:24] <FTTP> paul:  There is no way it will know by default if there is a root partition
[12:24] <goonie> localnet      *     255.0.0.0            U        0        0          0 wlan0
[12:24] <FTTP> cause it assumes im doing a new install
[12:24] <paul__> FTTP: oh, of course
[12:25] <goonie> default        10.0.0.2           0.0.0.0             UG        0      0          0 wlan0
[12:25] <dick_> ogra: never mind, I found it
[12:25] <dick_> bye everyone, good luck
[12:25] <Mark1> paul, i'm guessing i do the following:  sudo chown ubuntu.ubuntu mark
[12:25] <paul__> FTTP: I guess one thing I did was, while editing the partition... let's see, first I choose 'keep file structure' or something (instead of 'no action'), then I chose the mount point / below
[12:25] <paul__> Mark1: exactly
[12:25] <Mark1> thanks
[12:26] <paul__> Mark1: no problemo
[12:26] <FTTP> paul dunno
[12:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: 10.0.0.2 is your gw/router ?
[12:26] <Mark1> thanks a lot
[12:26] <paul__> FTTP bloody annoying, isn't it
[12:26] <goonie> ogra: yes
[12:26] <paul__> FTTP: do you have any liveCDs from another distro lying around?
[12:26] <FTTP> paul:  with previous redhats i was able to just load the cd and install grub then reboot
[12:26] <FTTP> paul:  I can burn something
[12:26] <paul__> FTTP: yeah, I remember that from Mandrake
[12:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: and you can ping the router ?
[12:27] <goonie> ogra: yes
[12:27] <FTTP> paul so with the live cd i should be able to mount my root?
[12:27] <paul__> FTTP: if you can get into a console of any sort and mount that partition, typing 'chroot /mountedpartition && source /etc/profile'
[12:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: and you can ping 217.115.139.139 ?
[12:27] <FTTP> paul ok ill try another cd
[12:27] <paul__> FTTP: that should get you into your hard drive AND take control from the LiveCD and give it to your install -- that way, you have access to /sbin and your package manager and all sorts of stuff
[12:28] <goonie> ogra: yes I can :O
[12:28] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: try this addres as namese
[12:28] (ogra/#ubuntu) nameserver
[12:28] <francois> when I launch gnome-settings-daemon I got an "assertion failed". What can I do ?
[12:28] <FTTP> paul:  actually i have a novell cd
[12:28] <paul__> FTTP: hope it works! I won't be online when you come back; gotta reinstall Ubuntu after I did something very stupid
[12:28] <FTTP> let me see if i can get into grub
[12:28] <paul__> FTTP: could work, if you can get to a root console
[12:28] (mojo_/#ubuntu) daniels: can you upload new nvidia driver to main upstream so I can test it?
[12:28] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: then ping www.ubuntulinux.org
[12:29] <Mark1> paul:  i tried   '    sudo chow ubuntu.ubuntu mark
[12:29] <FTTP> paul that was the grub which was bad tho
[12:29] <FTTP> got corrupted
[12:29] <FTTP> oh wait
[12:29] <FTTP> im using the other grub
[12:29] <FTTP> but that one is bad too :P
[12:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: grub isnt bad if you use it right
[12:30] <mirak> hi
[12:30] <goonie> ogra: that doesn't work.... I also tried pinging my terminal server at work (ip) and that worked
[12:30] <FTTP> ogra i did
[12:30] <mirak> I got an error from cd rom, hdd. I remind I have audio CD redaing troubles. I can't even rip them
[12:30] <mirak> UDF-fs: No VRS found
[12:30] <mirak> Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[12:30] <eruin> oooh, I want th livecd-grub instead of the default ubuntu one
[12:30] <eruin> :o
[12:30] <scoon> goonie: can you boot into a live cd and use the device ?
[12:30] <FTTP> ogra i set it up to mbr on main drive, windows xp on main drive, linux on 2nd
[12:30] <eruin> anyone done that?
[12:31] <mirak> that's an error from dmesg
[12:31] <Hikaru79> Someone check if google is working for you guys
[12:31] <mirak> hdd: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[12:31] <FTTP> brb
[12:31] <FTTP> gonna try this again
[12:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: you uninstalled grub without informing yourself about how to reinstall it and now you blame grub since two days....
[12:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) oh
[12:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) damed
[12:31] <Mark1> anyone, i  made a folder as a superuser
[12:31] <goonie> scoon: dunno... doubt it seeing as I need ndiswrapper to install the windows drivers to make it work
[12:31] <Mark1> and now i can't write file to that directory
[12:32] <Mark1> any way to change that?
[12:32] <eruin> Mark1, sudo chown -R youruser folder
[12:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mark1: chown $user /the/folder/you/mean
[12:32] <Mark1> thansk a a lot
[12:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) Mark1: chown $USER /the/folder/you/mean
[12:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) sorry
[12:32] <eruin> what exactly is up with root on ubuntu?
[12:32] <scoon> goonie: you said you have this working on gentoo or someting earlier ?  is this a different box ?
[12:32] <eruin> I mean, does it have some freaky default password set or is it just plain unusable?
[12:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[12:33] <scoon> goonie: why not compare what the gnome conf gui coughs up in the other box ?
[12:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) scoon: his dns is borked
[12:33] <eruin> ogra, cheers
[12:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) eruin hi
[12:33] <goonie> this is the same laptop.. just switched distros after a complete gentoo crash
[12:33] <JorisK> hello every1, what's up with FireFox 1.0, is it installable @ the current ubuntu? I'm getting an lib error when installing the tar.gz version
[12:34] (ogra/#ubuntu) goonie: post your /etc/resolv.conf to #flood
[12:34] <eruin> ah, sudo su, why didnt I think of that? :D
[12:35] <eruin> anyone know of coaster packages?
[12:35] <goonie> thx all for the help... baby woke up
[12:35] <sect2k> is anyone having problems accessing http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ?
[12:35] <eruin> and/or rhythmbox 0.9-branch packages (the audio burning in 0.9 is SWEET)
[12:36] (ogra/#ubuntu) sect2k: nope
[12:36] <Mark1> thanks everyone for the help....
[12:36] <JorisK> hello every1, what's up with FireFox 1.0, is it installable @ the current ubuntu? I'm getting an lib error when installing the tar.gz version
[12:37] <sect2k> ogra: strange it just doesn't work for me
[12:37] <Sensebend> JorisK, it's in the hoary repos, you should be able to install it with dpkg in warty
[12:38] <JorisK> \no shit?
[12:39] <JStrike> sect2k : Synaptic has never liked it for me
[12:39] <JorisK> ur saying i can install it with the package manager Sensebend ?
[12:39] <Sensebend> probably, might be easier
[12:39] <JorisK> i can't find the packages
[12:39] (ogra/#ubuntu) sect2k: added it like described here ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[12:40] <JorisK> when i do a search, i only see the 0.9x versions
[12:40] <JorisK> and addons
[12:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) JorisK: its only in hoary
[12:40] <mirak> craperfox as crashed
[12:40] <sect2k> JStrike: me neither, i tried loading the page in firefox and it also doesn't work
[12:41] <JStrike> Well, that used to work
[12:41] <JorisK> hoary?
[12:41] <JorisK> hmm
[12:41] <JorisK> what the hell is that?
[12:41] <JorisK> I'
[12:41] <JStrike> sect2k : That is pretty old stuff in there BTW
[12:41] <JorisK> I'm using Synaptic Package manager
[12:41] <JorisK> is Hoary something different?
[12:41] <Sensebend> JorisK, you'd need to convert your repositories to hoary
[12:41] <Sensebend> and then back to warty
[12:41] <JorisK> how's that?
[12:41] <Sensebend> if you just want the package
[12:41] <JStrike> tseng really needs to make it current and update it once a week
[12:42] <JorisK> how do i convert them?
[12:42] <Sensebend> are you using synaptic?
[12:42] <sect2k> JStrike: I know, but it's the most convenient
[12:42] <JorisK> yes
[12:42] <JorisK> The default synaptic
[12:42] <JorisK> and synaptic doesn't show the new firefox version
[12:43] <Sensebend> ok go to settings, repositories
[12:43] <FTTP> novell is alot nicer on boot
[12:43] <cerebrix> does ubuntu use alsa or oss by default?
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) both :)
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) alsa drivers
[12:43] <JorisK> i'm there Sensebend
[12:44] <Sensebend> replace instances or warty with hoary
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) using the OSS-compat devices
[12:44] <Sensebend> for the enabled repositories
[12:44] <FTTP> i got into ubuntu root via novell, has a nicer look and features
[12:44] <FTTP> but its not free
[12:44] <JorisK> Err
[12:44] <JorisK> i can't see a button or soemthing else for that Sensebend
[12:44] <JorisK> i can only add repositories there
[12:44] <JorisK> that's it
[12:44] <FTTP> it enabled me to login and select my windows or linux
[12:44] <Sensebend> you see the text box where it says distribution
[12:44] <JorisK> and i got all of them checked.
[12:45] <FTTP> ubuntu needs stuff like that
[12:45] <Sensebend> when you select one
[12:45] <FTTP> makes it easier
[12:45] <JorisK> yes ok
[12:45] <JorisK> i can see that
[12:45] <Sensebend> replace warty with hoary
[12:45] <FTTP> ubuntu is free tho
[12:45] <cerebrix> i know what sound driver my card uses, is there a way to tell it to use that?  it wasnt detected on install.  its the ice_1724 driver
[12:45] <Sensebend> in the enabled ones
[12:45] <FTTP> novell charges for everything
[12:45] <JorisK> every repository?
[12:45] <JorisK> that has warty in it?
[12:45] <adellario> where can I find the kernel config or make file in wartywarthog?
[12:45] <FTTP> how do i use grub-install?
[12:45] <Sensebend> yes
[12:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: "it enabled me to login and select my windows or linux" -> what do you mean?
[12:46] <FTTP> jdub:  Has some nice features on novell....... HOWEVER ubuntu is only a first release
[12:46] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) hi
[12:46] <FTTP> so im sure alot of that stuff will be added in their own way
[12:46] <JorisK> Sensebend, what's the difference between hoary and warty?
[12:46] <JorisK> is hoary the new upcoming dist.
[12:46] <JorisK> ?
[12:47] <Sensebend> well you don't need to upgrade your whole system
[12:47] <Sensebend> in fact I advise against that
[12:47] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) i'm using the fglrx-driver pkg but with mplayer i cant use -vo=xv  :-( do u know how to fix the stuff ?
[12:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: what did you mean where i quoted you above?
[12:47] (bungle/#ubuntu) ;
[12:47] <FTTP> jdub:  I got locked out of my system
[12:47] <adellario> Can anyone tell me where the kernel config or makefile is?
[12:47] <FTTP> jdub:  I mean cause i removed grub
[12:47] <Sensebend> I recommend temporarily using the repositories to get some packages like firefox and gaim
[12:47] <Sensebend> if you aren't into running the development release
[12:47] <FTTP> jdub:  The other had a choice on the screen for booting into the windows partition or the linux partition
[12:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jcole: like I say, I haven't the foggiest clue about OOo/Java beyond what I said earlier, sorry
[12:47] <Sensebend> hey jdub!
[12:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) adellario: apt-get source linux-source-2.6.8.1
[12:48] <adellario> thanks
[12:48] <FTTP> jdub:  You get locked out of ubuntu and its not good :P
[12:48] <JorisK> Sensebend, are these development versions?
[12:48] <Sensebend> yes
[12:48] <JorisK> What's the main difference between those 2 things, warty or hoary?
[12:48] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) i found -vo gl2
[12:48] <adellario> Kamian: Shouldn't it be on my system though?
[12:48] <Sensebend> hoary is a development release and has newer stuff
[12:48] <FTTP> ok now how do i use grub-install ? :)
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: you uninstalled the grub package, and you could no longer start ubuntu?
[12:49] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) did x break for anyone today on hoary sync?
[12:49] <adellario> Kamion: Sorry, shouldn't it be on my system already though?
[12:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) adellario: we don't install kernel source by default ... would take too much CD space
[12:49] <adellario> Ahhhhh
[12:49] <Sensebend> nope scopecrp
[12:49] <FTTP> jdub yep
[12:49] <adellario> thank you very much
[12:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) adellario: the .config is in /boot/ though
[12:49] <Sensebend> I've synced twice today
[12:49] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) hmm
[12:49] <FTTP> jdub: lets say it gets corrupted or something which happens
[12:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) config-2.6.8.1-3-386, or similar
[12:49] <Sensebend> the ubuntu3 version of X.org is working nice
[12:49] <FTTP> with windows u go to recovery console
[12:50] <FTTP> with other linuxes similar thing
[12:50] <Sensebend> with Linux I usually boot to livecd and fix the problem from there
[12:50] <eruin> anyone know of an openoffice 1.9-repo ?
[12:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: Ubuntu has that too, as long as the bootloader is working
[12:50] <cerebrix> oh, the fglrx driver that is compatible w/ xorg 6.8 comes out in december and is currently in closed beta
[12:50] <FTTP> kamion:  "As long as the bootloader is working" :P
[12:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you trash the Windows bootloader, you won't be able to use its recovery console either
[12:50] <cerebrix> the ati driver team talked about that in the irc chat rage3d.com had with them last week
[12:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, not a good comparison
[12:50] <FTTP> kamion thats not true........ from the cd it works
[12:50] <FTTP> kamion i mean from the cd
[12:51] <FTTP> kamion:  I did trash my mbr
[12:51] <Sensebend> oh that's good news cerebrix
[12:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: true, but you can use the Ubuntu CD as a rescue disk if you try hard enough
[12:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I should put directions on the website I guess
[12:51] <FTTP> Kamion:  If you try hard enough :P yeah directions on website would help
[12:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sure
[12:51] <nesman89> is there a program to view system info. ie kernel version etc?
[12:51] <FTTP> kamion:  It would be nice to have like the other distros tho
[12:51] <FTTP> eventually :P not a priority
[12:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) at some point I hope we can make rescue-booting from the CD easier
[12:51] <cerebrix> also, although ive only been trying to use linux a week (still have yet to get everything setup in any distro successfully) i noticed that the faq's on the message boards arent quite right
[12:52] <FTTP> kamion yep agreed
[12:52] <JStrike> Ok. Probably not the best place to ask, but has anybody managed to get shareaza to work with Wine in Ubuntu, It is supposed to work fine with Wine, so I suspect that the Ubuntu Wine package is different to the regular Wine package
[12:52] <cerebrix> tonight im going to ask my friend, an ati linux beta tester and ati linux guru to take a look and make a post to help everyone out
[12:52] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: this is all inherited from debian-installer, we're not behaving differently to it; understand that it's a relatively new installer and some features still need to be written into it
[12:53] <FTTP> kamion i know, its based on sarge :)
[12:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu) indeed (roughly)
[12:53] <FTTP> kamion basically its a distro that goes on
[12:53] <FTTP> development will come and you folks will make it awesome i have no doubt
[12:53] <cerebrix> so.... do i need to update my alsa to get the driver that i need to have sound?
[12:54] <eruin> what's the consensus on a gtk-gui ubuntu installer?
[12:55] <eruin> I'm guessing this'll be one of the next goals
[12:55] <FTTP> eruin:  I dont think it should be a priority, as long as all the feature sets are there
[12:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: we hope to help Debian develop one; we're not targetting it for Hoary though, because it's too big a task
[12:55] <eruin> yeah, I wouldnt expect it that early
[12:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: I've already made some progress, but there's a *lot* of usability work to be done
[12:56] <FTTP> kamion:  Which projects are you responsible for?
[12:56] <Sensebend> I don't think we need a graphical installer
[12:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: (as in, I've successfully booted a graphical d-i - butt-ugly, though)
[12:56] <Sensebend> the text one is easy and fast
[12:56] <eruin> @FTTP: for a distro with the scope ubuntu has, it should be ;)
[12:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm the Ubuntu installer team leader
[12:56] <eruin> Kamion, got a teaser? ;)
[12:56] <FTTP> Kamion:  Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: not easily, unfortunately, it's difficult to build just at the moment
[12:56] <Sensebend> even a non-technical user shouldn't have trouble with the current installer
[12:56] <eruin> no the current installer is a breeze
[12:56] <FTTP> kamion:  i didnt realize that.... ok now i got you on the spot :)
[12:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Sensebend: that's true, but we've had enough requests that it's worth putting time into, even if a lot of people (including me) are personally quite happy with the current installer
[12:57] <eruin> but that doesnt mean a gui is unable to improve it
[12:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: only for about two minutes before my girlfriend trumps you :P
[12:57] <FTTP> Kamion:  heh
[12:57] <Sensebend> I find graphical installers are more trouble than they're worth
[12:57] <FTTP> Kamion:  A couple of suggestions would be to make a rescue option
[12:57] <FTTP> kamion:  in the install cd
[12:57] <dafart> hi there
[12:57] <cerebrix> oh since there are devs in here.  i just wanna say, ive been trying to use linux for 9 days now and this is the only distro to seem to really care about making things easier on new people.  so... thank you for that =D
[12:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, it's on my to-do as I mentioned
[12:57] <dafart> anyone got amule working with ubuntu on amd64
[12:58] <eruin> oh wow
[12:58] <eruin> I didnt' ever get to try muine on fedora
[12:58] <eruin> great player
[12:58] <dafart> I can install the debian binary for amd64
[12:58] <s0cks_> hmm. 40 gig windows, 80 gig linux
[12:58] <FTTP> kamion:  sounds good.........
[12:58] <dafart> but I have to use  sudo dpkg --install --ignore-depends=libwxbase2.4 --ignore-depends=libwxgtk2.4 amule_1.2.6+rc7-1_amd64.deb
[12:58] <s0cks_> Sounds bout right.
[12:58] <FTTP> kamion:  What other suggestions did i have :>
[12:58] <eruin> 20gb windows, 250gb linux
[12:59] <FTTP> kamion:  well you handle the grub installer part?
[12:59] <FTTP> or thats someone else?
[12:59] <s0cks_> eruin : I ain't right.
[12:59] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: which part is that?
[12:59] <eruin> who made the livecd?
[12:59] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I handle all of the installer for Ubuntu
[12:59] <FTTP> kamion:  The part of the installer which installs grub :P
[12:59] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: so that includes grub-installer, yes
[12:59] <dafart> and now synaptic and apt-get complains about broken packages
[12:59] <FTTP> kamion:  ok............ that part should be made clearer for the end user
[01:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: sorry, I misread as "will you handle ..." which changed the meaning of the sentence a good deal
[01:00] <FTTP> kamion:  As to the differences between mbr and the boot
[01:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: please file bugs about usability issues.
[01:00] <FTTP> kamion:  Ok
[01:00] <FTTP> kamion:  I did already
[01:00] <FTTP> i think
[01:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: this topic really doesn't need debate; we already intend to work on this
[01:00] <s0cks_> How self explanitory is the installer for a lifetime windows user?
[01:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) pretty much
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) s0cks_: very simple
[01:01] <s0cks_> i'm converting my friend to linux.
[01:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) the hardest thing there is the partitioning (if you don't want to tell it to just take the whole disk)
[01:01] <s0cks_> I am used to it, he isnt
[01:01] <eruin> are the 6629-nvidia drivers heading into hoary soon?
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) *unless* they have to deal with partitioning issues
[01:01] <FTTP> kamion:  The installer is good....... the old debian installer pre sarge was difficult
[01:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) and that's pretty friendly too
[01:01] <FTTP> kamion:  On balance its good
[01:01] <cardador> eruin: i also want to know someting about that
[01:02] <eruin> cardador, I've got them installed on my other partition (fc), the performance boost is quite noticeable
[01:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu) mjr: partitioning's always a hard problem
[01:02] <cardador> eruin: i heard so
[01:03] <s0cks_> partititioning is easy
[01:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) some of the allegedly "friendly" partitioners are just hideous - I can't even begin to comprehend qtparted and the version in current Knoppix seems totally broken
[01:03] <eruin> partitioning is much better in ubuntu than, say, windowsxp
[01:03] <s0cks_> I am the master of hard disks
[01:03] <FTTP> kamion : windows is harder than linux FYI
[01:03] <FTTP> going into fdisk is confusing
[01:03] <s0cks_> lol
[01:03] <s0cks_> no it isnt
[01:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm not particularly impressed with the XP installer, certainly
[01:03] <s0cks_> Im used to fdisk and disk druif
[01:03] <s0cks_> d*
[01:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: dude, the XP installer really sucks, dunno if you've tried it recently
[01:04] <s0cks_> Yeah
[01:04] <s0cks_> I did it three weeks ago
[01:04] <cardador> Kamion: and after installing it, you need to deal with blaster and co
[01:04] <s0cks_> for the thousanth time.
[01:04] <FTTP> kamion:  with xp u need to go into fdisk still?
[01:04] <s0cks_> it autoexecs fdisk
[01:04] <FTTP> i dont even remember, i didnt partition my drive
[01:04] <s0cks_> hidden to the user.
[01:04] <calc> well at least windows fdisks shows in MB not stupid IEEE MB
[01:04] <eruin> FTTP, no, you dont need that with ubuntu either. but the partitioning tool in xp is quite infantile
[01:05] <FTTP> oh
[01:05] <s0cks_> wtf is an ieee mb?
[01:05] <FTTP> ok
[01:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) it has a fairly crappy interactive partitioner as its very first stage
[01:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: it's got wildly mixed reactions; love/hate
[01:05] <s0cks_> USE DISK DRUID
[01:05] <cardador> what happened to gparted?
[01:05] <calc> s0cks_: 1,000,000 bytes instead of 1,048,576
[01:05] <s0cks_> Jesus, it isnt that hard.
[01:05] (jdub/#ubuntu) Kamion: a couple of additional top-level simple paritioning choices would be handy -> "use free space" (only in the menu if there's enough free space) and "make room for ubuntu" (resize windows partition, etc)
[01:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: that's enough of that thank you
[01:05] <calc> Kamion: also unless its fixed recently it didn't seem to be very accurate either
[01:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: see hoary for the first
[01:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Kamion: sweet.
[01:06] <eruin> isn't that 1,024 ?
[01:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: the second was impossible until hoary; guess we could, although it's a bit scary
[01:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Kamion: and you've got that ntfs resize thing in there already, but not the menu item?
[01:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: right
[01:06] <s0cks_> kamion : Im tellin you man. Compile a seperate installer.
[01:06] <calc> s0cks_: i typically use regular fdisk with cylinder counts now, since it also converted to ieee mb format
[01:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: thanks but no thanks
[01:06] <calc> eruin: 1 KB has been redefined to be 1000 bytes
[01:06] <eruin> that'd be the day
[01:07] <calc> and yes has been redefined as no
[01:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: blame stupid standards bodies and hard disk manufacturers
[01:07] <calc> Kamion: no reason for linux to follow them
[01:07] <calc> nothing else does
[01:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) also, argue with Anton :-)
[01:07] <s0cks_> calc : Confusing for the dual booters out there.
[01:07] <calc> Kamion: i already argued with util-linux upstream and he found out fdisk wasn't fubar already and "fixed" it too
[01:08] <eruin> well without that 1KB should be referred to as ~1KB
[01:08] <calc> cfdisk was already fubared at that time
[01:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: well then you're ideally qualified to argue with the partman author aren't you? ;-)
[01:08] <calc> supporting typing in 8.0 GiB would be good enough though
[01:08] <calc> for example
[01:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yes, I'd be happy with that, might be easy enough
[01:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) even though the GiB terminology sucks
[01:09] (geppy/#ubuntu) Has anyone in here tried to run GTKRadiant on Ubuntu?
[01:09] <s0cks_> I prefer percent disk space partitioners.
[01:09] <calc> as it is if you want the real base 2 sizes you have to use fdisk in cylinder mode
[01:09] <eruin> I want computers to die and one GB to be 1,000,000,000 bytes
[01:09] <calc> eruin: already is in linux, you're safe :)
[01:09] <eruin> blasted :p
[01:09] <s0cks_> All the 40gb drives out there are like 39.5 anyways.
[01:10] <calc> unless you have 1GB of ram, etc
[01:10] <s0cks_> Just deal with it and go percent partitioners.
[01:10] <calc> take the extra 80MB and throw it away
[01:10] <eruin> hell
[01:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: you can type percentages at partman quite happily
[01:10] <eruin> I have 120GB unused space on my main sata
[01:10] <eruin> :P
[01:10] <eruin> don't need it
[01:10] <calc> luckily df still uses base
[01:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks_: as the installer tells you
[01:10] <calc> er base 2
[01:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu)  Hint: Use "20%" (or "30%", etc.) for 20% (resp. 30%, etc.) of the
[01:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu)  available free space for this partition.  Use "max" as a shortcut for
[01:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu)  the maximum allowed size.
[01:10] <s0cks_> Eruin : If you would like to rent these 120 gb.....
[01:11] <eruin> s0cks_, drivespace for beer?
[01:11] <s0cks_> lol
[01:11] <eruin> that's gotta be corona or grolsch though
[01:11] <eruin> not some cheapass stuff like bud
[01:11] <eruin> ~water
[01:11] <s0cks_> Negative. Jack and Coke owns all beer.
[01:11] <calc> perhaps the size of K/M/G should check your locale data and if you are in the US use base 2 the europeans can use metric sizes :)
[01:12] <eruin> oh, but we boycot stuff like coke around here
[01:12] (mjr/#ubuntu) bah, the US should use base 2.54
[01:12] <s0cks_> ~drivespace3 was horrible.
[01:12] (mjr/#ubuntu) would serve them right
[01:12] <s0cks_> What bootloader does Ubuntu use?
[01:12] <eruin> grub
[01:12] <calc> mjr: we already redefined the metric prefixes to be base 2, don't need cm's ;)
[01:13] <aaroncuk> hi is there a samba expert in the channel
[01:13] <s0cks_> /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
[01:14] <eruin> oh great, OOo_1.9.m62_native_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz contains nothing but a bunch of rpms
[01:14] (housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk we are all samba experts, whats your problem?
[01:14] <eruin> I need ooo1.9 for my oot docs!
[01:14] (mjr/#ubuntu) I'm not
[01:14] (housetier/#ubuntu) mjr I count for two then :)
[01:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) mjr: become one.... quick
[01:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) :)
[01:15] <aaroncuk> not sure how to get it to work.. i have set it up but how do i manage my shares etc
[01:15] <zenwhen_> i wrote samba, in shorthand, on notebook paper...
[01:15] <s0cks_> /pwn!
[01:15] <zenwhen_> but RMS stole it from me and open sourced it
[01:15] (gen/#ubuntu) i see
[01:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) hehe
[01:16] (housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk how do you want to manage your shares?
[01:16] <eruin> oh gosh
[01:16] <eruin> my digicam was handled in a great way
[01:16] <eruin> that's it. I'm switching fulltime from fc :)
[01:16] (ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: hooray......one more :)
[01:16] <aaroncuk> i want to share one folder if possible.. so that windows users can add/delete files on it
[01:17] (housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk ok how did you set up that share?
[01:17] <eruin> now I can use my fsck my fc partition and use it for music
[01:17] <eruin> (and I can't type properly)
[01:17] <aaroncuk> i havent set it up yet
[01:17] <aaroncuk> i dont know how.. only had linux for 3 days lol
[01:18] <Sensebend> everyone started somewhere aaroncuk even the gurus where
[01:18] <eruin> shares-admin requires a password, but my password is supposedly invalid
[01:18] <eruin> that's weird
[01:18] (housetier/#ubuntu) I was born omniscient ;)
[01:19] <eruin> ah, shares-admin requires the ROOT password
[01:19] <eruin> should I file a bug?
[01:19] (jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: sure
[01:19] (jdub/#ubuntu) it's a new module in gst, which we may or may not ship
[01:19] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: hi - I'm looking through the channel log, and you recommended this command to someone -> dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 <- what does the '-plow' do?
[01:19] <eruin> jdub, what exactly does it share? over samba?
[01:19] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: priotity low asks more questions
[01:20] (jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: yeah
[01:20] <eruin> great stuff
[01:20] <eruin> gotta ship that ;p
[01:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i.e. your hsync and vsync values for the display
[01:21] (housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk I started configuration with swat, maybe that'll get you started. create an adequate directory, define a share, maybe add a forced user, reload and try
[01:21] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: that's good to know - tx
[01:21] (housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk with samba there are as many pitfalls as config settings
[01:21] <aaroncuk> cool
[01:22] <aaroncuk> is swat on the apt-get thing
[01:22] <FTTP> can someone walk me thru grub-install?
[01:22] <FTTP> i need to reinstall grub
[01:22] <eruin> jdub, err, gnome-vfs right?
[01:22] <Gnobody> hey
[01:22] <kgill> ogra you around?
[01:22] <Gnobody> how do I take a screenshot in Gnome?
[01:22] (housetier/#ubuntu) aaroncuk I don't know, it might. after installing you need to enable it in /etc/inetd.conf
[01:22] <Gnobody> my screenshot program is broken in Hoary
[01:22] <FTTP> then dont use hoary :P
[01:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: yup
[01:22] <Gnobody> NO hoary pwnz otherwise
[01:23] (ogra/#ubuntu) housetier: no inetd .....
[01:23] <usual> hi
[01:23] <Gnobody> is there a console command for taking screenshots?
[01:23] <usual> everyone
[01:23] <kgill> hey like I said you do live in here :)B-P
[01:23] <usual> import blah.jpg
[01:23] <Gnobody> server-wide
[01:23] <kgill> I am still having problems setting up the audio device
[01:23] (housetier/#ubuntu) ogra ok
[01:23] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: My problem is low refresh (61 Hz or so - unacceptable).  I tried manually editing /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 to modify the monitor hsync and vsync values, but it doesn't seem to have changed my low refresh problem.  The only way I can get a 73Hz refresh is to reduce the resolution to 640X480 (which is just too low) -- any clues on how I might hack the config file to increase refresh, or other ideas?
[01:24] <kgill> do you have any other suggestions?
[01:24] (housetier/#ubuntu) I haven't used ubuntu yet myself, only debian in all of its flavors
[01:24] <s0cks> When is the next anticipated build of ubuntu?
[01:24] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) s0cks: april
[01:24] <JStrike> sabdfl : Saw the trailer for your new opensource program. Very cool
[01:24] <FTTP> xenguy:  Thats fabio's dept
[01:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: "build" or release?
[01:25] <FTTP> xenguy:  Yeah i had low refresh too
[01:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: have you found out the name of your sound device ?
[01:25] <s0cks> Either.
[01:25] <FTTP> xenguy:  My monitor does up to 100
[01:25] <FTTP> i only got 75
[01:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: we build stuff continuously, and the hoary development tree is readable by all
[01:25] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) FTTP: how did you fix that?
[01:25] <usual> how can i tell what my refresh rate is ACTUALLY at
[01:25] <mojo> what equivalent 'prelink' engine that Ubuntu used ??
[01:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) mojo: none.
[01:25] <kgill> it is not listed under lspci
[01:25] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) FTTP: BTW, was that 'fabio' or 'fabbione' ?
[01:25] <kgill> and the sound in built into the motherboard
[01:26] <FTTP> xenguy:  samwe
[01:26] <FTTP> err same
[01:26] <kgill> I can lookup the chipset tho
[01:26] <mojo> Kamion: arg,, I just try to find out a way to make my Cedega works, they only have solution for prelink. sigh....
[01:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill do this
[01:26] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) FTTP: k
[01:26] <FTTP> xenguy:  email is fabbione
[01:26] <FTTP> his name is fabio
[01:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: card ?
[01:27] <FTTP> xenguy:  I was speaking to him earlier on this issue
[01:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: if you want a CD build, see the ubuntu-users mailing list, "Subject: Array CD 1"
[01:27] <FTTP> xenguy:  they play it safe on refreshrates
[01:27] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: a crappy S3 Trio (but I know it does better than 61Hz in X3 for example)
[01:27] <FTTP> xenguy i dont even understand it fully
[01:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) s0cks: I announce those fairly frequently
[01:27] (jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: hrm?
[01:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: which driver did you choose ?
[01:27] <FTTP> ogra:  you can manually create your own config files tho
[01:27] <usual> how can i tell what my refresh rate is ACTUALLY at
[01:28] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, sed didnt fix for me
[01:28] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: vesa (I hacked that manually; ubuntu was trying something that did not work)
[01:28] <FTTP> ogra:  The refresh rate mechanism for monitors does need improvement
[01:28] <FTTP> ogra:  Or at least a fallback
[01:28] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP..... please
[01:28] <JStrike> sabdfl : Combine that with Ubuntu and your Carte Blanche episode, you really are getting the message across
[01:28] <FTTP> ogra:  what?
[01:28] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: there is a s3 driver that is accelerated....
[01:29] <zenwhen> is anyone else having issues wiht aim?
[01:29] <FTTP> ogra:  they are already testing a new mechanism
[01:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: describe?
[01:29] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP let me support Xenguy
[01:29] <FTTP> ogra:  The newer x.org ones
[01:29] <kgill> ogra: it has a  16-bit, integrated Plug and Play Crystal CS4236B
[01:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: check the version carefully
[01:29] <FTTP> ogra:  ok
[01:29] (gen/#ubuntu) yes zenwhen
[01:29] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: I'm listening :-)
[01:29] <zenwhen> damn
[01:29] <kgill> based on the Sound Blaster Pro
[01:29] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i'm digging :)
[01:29] (gen/#ubuntu) haven't been able to get on for 5+ minutes
[01:29] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, i try to upgrade.....i still get a sed error
[01:29] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) hehe
[01:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: s3virge is the name :)
[01:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: on a hunch, please try 'sudo rm -f /usr/share/info/sed.info'
[01:30] <eruin> is there a tool to convert rpms to debs ?
[01:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: alien
[01:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: try this one
[01:30] <eruin> Kamion, usable?
[01:30] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, got nothing
[01:30] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: ahh, OK - I believe I tried that one, and it didn't work with my card unfortunately :-(
[01:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: no output? fine. try upgrading again
[01:31] <farruinn> how does one add programs to the gnome menus?  update-menus doesn't seem to do it all the time...
[01:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: should be, it's pretty mature
[01:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: thanks.... its sometimes hard to keep the concentration
[01:31] <eruin> Kamion, k, cheers :)
[01:31] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: there was one other driver that was suggested I might try - maybe I should go back and try that too
[01:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: svga
[01:31] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) Kamion,  still same error, synaptic shows "sed  4.1.2-2"
[01:32] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: yes, that's the one
[01:32] (gen/#ubuntu) gwildor, do you have the warty cd available
[01:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: vesa is the slowest choice...but works always,,,,,
[01:32] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) gen, i do
[01:32] (gen/#ubuntu) you can copy the old one to home, then dpkg -i
[01:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[01:32] (gen/#ubuntu) (from the cd)
[01:33] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: ahh, OK.  Now there is still the issue that with X3 I was able to get a better refresh - I wonder if there is a way to hack the X4 config file to get better refresh rate?
[01:33] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) kamion, you agree?
[01:33] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: that's old
[01:33] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: 4.1.2-4 is current
[01:33] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gwildor: 4.1.2-2 is known to be broken.
[01:33] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: first take the faster driver.... it will change your abilitys
[01:33] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: if it works ;-)  OK I'll see if it does
[01:34] (gen/#ubuntu) it works gwildor, did it last night when sed was broken in hoary
[01:34] <pinkee> hello
[01:34] <kgill> ogra it comes back w/ unable to lookup comp name via gethostname()
[01:34] (ogra/#ubuntu) Xenguy: try it.... :)
[01:34] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: what does: hostname
[01:34] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) gen,  kk, ill do that then, then upgrade to the new one
[01:34] (gen/#ubuntu) its in pool/main/s
[01:35] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: OK I will a little later (PC is in use ATM and I have to reboot into ubuntu)
[01:35] (gen/#ubuntu) then /sed of course
[01:35] <pinkee> i installed ubuntu today, and i want to know what to add to apt/sources.list to get universal.
[01:35] <kgill> gnomemeeting "computername"
[01:35] <FTTP> pinkee:  Nothing
[01:35] <FTTP> pinkee:  Just check the universal sources
[01:35] (ogra/#ubuntu)  pinkee: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:35] <FTTP> pinkee:  They are unchecked
[01:35] <FTTP> but they are there :)
[01:35] <dafart> pinkee, do "sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources"
[01:36] <FTTP> dafart no need
[01:36] <FTTP> the sources are there already
[01:36] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) can i enable "hold backspace and it delete the whole massage, instead of just one char?
[01:36] <FTTP> in synaptic
[01:36] <dafart> and uncomment the "#" in front of the universe / multiverse entries
[01:36] <dafart> FTTP, no
[01:36] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: in a terminal ?
[01:36] (gen/#ubuntu) defart is correct
[01:36] <kgill> yes
[01:36] <pinkee> check them where?
[01:36] <FTTP> gen:  We are both correct
[01:36] <FTTP> gen:  there are 2 ways to do it
[01:36] <dafart> synaptic uses /etc/apt/sources
[01:36] <FTTP> gen:  You can check em in synaptic
[01:37] (gen/#ubuntu) gui is no fun
[01:37] <FTTP> or you can use dafarts way your choice :)
[01:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: it really says gnomemeeting "computername" ??
[01:37] <dafart> pinkee, check them with an editor like gedit
[01:37] <FTTP> mine is the gui easier way
[01:37] <dafart> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources
[01:37] <pinkee> ok.
[01:37] <pinkee> thanks
[01:37] <FTTP> pinkee u in synaptic now?
[01:37] <kgill> ogra: it says sudo: unable to lookup gnomemeeting via gethostname()
[01:38] <dafart> FTTP, synaptic won't use universe/multiverse when they're still commented in /etc/apt/sources
[01:38] <FTTP> dafart:  I didnt uncomment em and i got files from universe
[01:38] <FTTP> dafart:  Trust me it works, i got my apc ups software from universe without uncommenting
[01:38] <MaFioZoX> hi
[01:38] <FTTP> without doing your step i mean
[01:38] <MaFioZoX> feel?
[01:38] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) can i enable "hold backspace and it delete the whole massage, instead of just one char?"
[01:39] <FTTP> dafart:  if you like text then use normal debian :)
[01:39] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236 ..... complains about gnomemeeting ?
[01:39] <FTTP> hehe
[01:39] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) fttp, is that a no?
[01:39] <dafart> I use gentoo, debian, slackware and am just giving ubuntu a try
[01:39] (gen/#ubuntu) gwildor, did you get the 4.1.2-1 package
[01:39] <FTTP> gwildor:  Debian is better if your a commandline guy
[01:39] <kgill> ogra yes gnomemeeting is also the name of the computer I can change that if it will make it easier
[01:39] <dafart> and thinking of trying yoper as well one day
[01:39] <FTTP> gwildor:  I like GUI so ubuntu is nicer
[01:39] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) gen, i am upgrading now
[01:40] (gen/#ubuntu) k
[01:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: lol, no....
[01:40] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) fttp, i am talking in xchat even
[01:40] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) FTTP, i mean can i enable it in xchat?
[01:40] <FTTP> enable what?
[01:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: havent thought that it could be the name.....its also a program
[01:40] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: was a bit confusing
[01:41] <kgill> ogra sorry  Im setting up this comp to test out gnomemeeting for accessability
[01:41] (Gwildor/#ubuntu) fttp, when i HOLD Backspace, only 1 charachter gets deleted, i wont HOLD to continue oin with the rest of the message
[01:41] <Gnobody> is there anyway to use my Sony NetMD in linux?
[01:41] <dafart> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[01:41] <dafart> ## repository.
[01:41] <dafart> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[01:41] <dafart> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[01:41] <dafart> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[01:41] <dafart> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[01:41] <kgill> My project here in hawaii is putting on an international conferance to make linux accessable
[01:41] <dafart> ## team.
[01:41] <dafart> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[01:41] <dafart> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty universe
[01:41] <dafart> pinkee,
[01:41] <Gnobody> kgill are you using hoary?
[01:41] <dafart> it's /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:42] <kgill> I do windows and mac accessability and now learning linux to do the same
[01:42] <kgill> Gnobody: yes
[01:42] <FTTP> just sudo pico /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:42] <Gnobody> restart your x-server and you backspace will work again it is bug
[01:42] <FTTP> easiest way
[01:42] <Gnobody> I found it yesterday
[01:43] <FTTP> although u can just go to repositories i think it is and check em off :P
[01:43] <FTTP> in synaptic :)
[01:43] <FTTP> heh
[01:43] <FTTP> gnobody prolly reported
[01:44] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: hmm, does ifconfig show a lo interface ?
[01:44] <Chibi> Bleh, not getting anywhere on the forums with this. :/
[01:44] <pinkee> dafart: i know
[01:44] <pinkee> i am not a newbie
[01:44] <FTTP> is there a package so debian can use redhat rpm's?
[01:44] <pinkee> i am just not familiar with ubuntu
[01:44] <usual> alien
[01:44] <kgill> ogra: yes and I am not sure what a lo interface is
[01:44] <FTTP> err i mean ubuntu
[01:44] (ogra/#ubuntu) FTTP: alien
[01:44] <pinkee> alien
[01:45] <usual> but don't do it
[01:45] <Chibi> alien
[01:45] <Chibi> D:
[01:45] <usual> get the source
[01:45] <usual> build a deb
[01:45] <FTTP> thanks thanks thanks
[01:45] <kgill> ogra: it also has the standered eth0
[01:45] <Chibi> alien is dangerous
[01:45] <FTTP> :)
[01:45] <FTTP> oh
[01:45] <usual> FTTP, don't
[01:45] <FTTP> well yeah i usually can get the .bin
[01:45] <FTTP> but its a pain to install
[01:45] <FTTP> there has to be an easier way
[01:45] <Gwildor> woot, made it thru another X restart....always so afraid i broke it
[01:45] <usual> build a deb
[01:45] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: local loopback... lots of services interact over it
[01:46] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: thats ok...this error is weird.....
[01:46] (BrittBS/#ubuntu)  anyone know of a free tool to convert motion jpeg->mpeg2?
[01:46] <kgill> ogra: :) that is why I am here ;)
[01:46] (ogra/#ubuntu) BrittBS: dunno if kino can do it (video editing SW)
[01:46] <Chibi> Errr... static image to an audio/video file? o_O
[01:47] <Gwildor> got my backspace key working like i want too
[01:47] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) ogra, checking it out
[01:48] <riffic> i think hoary broke my gnome
[01:48] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i suspect there is something wrong with your system i cant locate esp. as you are on hoary.....
[01:49] <riffic> when gnome loads everything hard locks
[01:49] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: are there _any_ modules listed if you do lsmod ?
[01:50] <kgill> ogra: it has loads
[01:50] <usual> hmmmm
[01:50] <usual> xchat logs like this would be cool
[01:50] <usual> any log
[01:50] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: strange.....
[01:51] <kgill> ogra: and it has many like snd_cs4236
[01:51] <usual> http://colin.homeunix.org/xchat.mpeg
[01:51] <usual> wouldn't that be cool for logs
[01:51] <usual> haha
[01:52] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: so snd_cs4236 is listed there......is there also a snd_mixer_oss ?
[01:52] <cerebrix> so anyone in here an expert in getting sound working?  im still a total newbie when it comes to linux so if someone has some time pm me ok?  thank you =)
[01:52] <kgill> ogra: yes
[01:53] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: so does your sound probably work alredy ?
[01:53] (ogra/#ubuntu) +a
[01:53] <kgill> ogra: nope
[01:53] <kgill> +a?
[01:53] (ogra/#ubuntu) already
[01:54] <mauri> hi
[01:54] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill i addet the missing a
[01:54] <kgill> ic sorry
[01:54] (ogra/#ubuntu) :)
[01:55] <eruin> what's up with antialiasing in ubuntu/hoary?
[01:55] <riffic> can someone help? i get a hard lock when gnome loads, failsafe locks too
[01:55] <eruin> doesn't seem to be happening, at leastnot until font-size 13
[01:55] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: post the output to flood: lsmod|grep snd
[01:55] <kgill> well, if you look at http://www.freestandards.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=61 you can see helping me out is doing a good thing for the linux comunity :)
[01:55] <mauri> ehmm you guys have issues with screen savers freezing ubuntu.  Twice now and the second time when I went to select a diff screen saver.
[01:55] <Chibi> eruin- Not sure, It's fine on my side. There were some x packages just updated, though
[01:56] <mauri> I can't even ssh in, isn't ssh part of the default install?
[01:56] <kgill> ogra: ok
[01:56] <usual> check
[01:56] <usual> dpkg -l|grep ssh
[01:56] <NewComer> anyone aware of a firefox theme with Gorilla icons?
[01:57] <Chibi> Yes
[01:57] <usual> no, but the industrial theme is great
[01:57] <cerebrix> NewComer: mars
[01:57] <Chibi> I have one installed right now :D
[01:57] <Chibi> mars has gorillized buttons
[01:57] <NewComer> Chibi, seriously
[01:57] <eruin> Chibi, http://appelsinjuice.org/dokk.png that's the kind of antialiasing i*m used to... what I see on my screen now seems more windows xp-ish
[01:58] <kgill> ogra: I am also not getting sound out of Desktop press. sound
[01:58] <Chibi> Have you tried /changing/ the antialiasing settings? :P
[01:59] <usual> Chibi, where are those
[01:59] <eruin> yeah :P
[01:59] (erik/#ubuntu) hey, is there any easy way to mount an NTFS volume with captive and warty?
[01:59] (erik/#ubuntu) I've got a not-very-linux-veteraney friend who's trying to and I don't want to direct him to dicking around in fstab
[01:59] <Chibi> Are you sure it's not your font? o_O
[01:59] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i worked 10 years with handicapped people before it became an IT guy :)
[01:59] <usual> Chibi, where are the aa settings
[02:00] <eruin> Chibi, not sure.. I've simply copied over my ~/.fonts folder from my fedora install
[02:00] <Chibi> Gnome has a dialog for changing them called 'Fonts'
[02:00] <eruin> that could well be the problem.. what's the preferred way of installing fonts on ubuntu?
[02:00] <NewComer> cerebrix, Chibi: any links? googling doesnt seem to help
[02:00] <Gnobody> where do removeable storage devices show up when you plug them in?
[02:00] (erik/#ubuntu) Gnobody: /media
[02:00] <Chibi> Just a sec, newcomer
[02:00] <Gnobody> ty
[02:00] <mauri> I to say it but your ppc version really needs work.
[02:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: ~/fonts
[02:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: ~/.fonts
[02:00] <eruin> eek
[02:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I mean
[02:01] <kgill> great  I am a it guy helping the disabled. I guess I left off where you stoped ;) but just don't know linux well enough
[02:01] <cerebrix> NewComer: i found this at the ubuntu forums, sec ill find you a link
[02:01] <eruin> GammaRay: yeah, just drop the ttf fonts int here
[02:01] <eruin> ?
[02:01] <Chibi> eruin- you might want to run the font cacheing thing.
[02:01] <eruin> Chibi, how? ;)
[02:01] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: hehe.... great
[02:01] <Chibi> Not sure, I've never used it before, I only use TrueType fonts.
[02:01] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: you'll get used to it.....
[02:01] <cerebrix> NewComer: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5212&highlight=mars
[02:02] <eruin> Chibi, yeah using my windows ttf fonts
[02:02] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: yep
[02:02] <NewComer> cerebrix, thx
[02:02] <Chibi> Well, I don't remember how windows AA looks, really. :/
[02:03] <eruin> Chibi, horrible
[02:03] <Chibi> Are the edges colored?
[02:03] <eruin> I can't live without it ;P
[02:03] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) have you guys seen raph levien's font-focusing stuff?
[02:03] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) it's genius
[02:03] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) he basically uses standard photographic techniques to sharpen the font
[02:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) even on a flat panel monitor.. AA fonts just make things blurry imho
[02:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) GammaRay: I use subpixel on an LCD
[02:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) works great
[02:04] (housetier/#ubuntu) focusing on the monitor works better
[02:04] <Chibi> Gamma- That's the point of Anti-Aliasing. It's supposed to make things look smooth rather than hard-edged.
[02:04] (housetier/#ubuntu) and it it doesn't any cpu cycles whatsoever
[02:05] <kgill> ogra: I hope so
[02:05] (jdub/#ubuntu) housetier: ?!
[02:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: well I like sharp rather than "smooth"
[02:05] <voth> can anyone rec. a better repository than the one used by default ?
[02:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: I tried all the settings in the font dialog, and I found none that I liked
[02:05] <Chibi> Heh, I know what you mean. :P
[02:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) heh
[02:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: except, no AA ofcourse
[02:06] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I don't like the jagged staircase stuff that normal X fonts do
[02:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: that is the fonts and freetype
[02:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: will you send your output of         lsmod|grep snd     to #flood ?
[02:06] <Chibi> True-Type fonts weren't designed to be used without antialiasing.
[02:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) w/ good fonts and the bytecode interperter on, X fonts look easily as good as windows w/out AA
[02:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ubuntu seems to leave the bytecode interperter on btw..
[02:07] <Chibi> Yep. But we're talking about windows fonts on X. Not legacy X fonts.
[02:07] <kgill> ogra: what is #flood
[02:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: join #flood
[02:08] <socomm> kgill: an IRC channel dedicated to flooders.
[02:08] <Chibi> I couldn't live without Arial Unicode, for example. D:
[02:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: you can choose AA on a per font basis
[02:08] <kgill> ok great
[02:08] <Chibi> Lazy.
[02:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) my lazy default is "avoid fonts that look bad w/out AA"
[02:09] <Chibi> I have X fonts set to no AA, and ttf to basic AA
[02:09] <socomm> kgill: usually used to paste config files, or large text messages.
[02:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: /etc/fonts/local.conf
[02:09] <cerebrix> hey being new to the linux thing, whats better to ask for help in?  the forums or the listserv?
[02:09] <kgill> ok in there now
[02:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: I think you can even place a config file in your home dir
[02:10] <kgill> just do a past or should I tell the group what I am doing?
[02:10] <Chibi> cerebix- Mailinglist for most things.
[02:10] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: just paste
[02:10] <cerebrix> Chibi: thanks =)
[02:10] <Chibi> You'll usually get answered faster because we all have mail notifiers. :P
[02:10] <kgill> ok done
[02:11] <Chibi> And the real guru's all hang out in the console or emacs. most webforums crap out on text-mode browsers.
[02:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: you forgot the |grep snd  :)
[02:12] <socomm> cerebrix: http://www.google.com/linux
[02:12] <kgill> darn
[02:12] <kgill> sorry
[02:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) hehe
[02:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) np
[02:12] <eruin> eep, can anyone guide me to running fontcache?
[02:12] (ogra/#ubuntu) the first lines show it all....
[02:13] <eruin> guess I'm headed for an x restart ;)
[02:14] <NewComer> cerebrix, noticed that it doesn't follow the gtk theme? aside from the tabs thing
[02:15] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: the order seems a little strange, but else it looks ok.....
[02:15] <kgill> thats weird
[02:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: hrm?
[02:16] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: does the volume control keep the setting if you adjust it, or does it flip back to zero ?
[02:16] <kgill> it keeps flipping back to zero
[02:16] (ogra/#ubuntu) jdub: too slow....
[02:19] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[02:19] <dafart> how do I tell apt-get that one of the packages it assumes is broken is NOT broken in fact
[02:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: hmm, are you sure....
[02:20] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: which package ?
[02:21] <kgill> ogra same error as before
[02:21] <eruin> okaay. I've run dpkg-reconfigure locales, made sure only norwegian locales are there, but my gnome is still in danish (well, a weird mix of norwegian and danish) and XCHAT is in SWEDISH! what's up?
[02:21] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: ive seen it.....
[02:21] <dafart> I installed amule for amd64 using sudo dpkg --install --ignore-depends=libwxbase2.4 --ignore-depends=libwxgtk2.4 amule_1.2.6+rc7-1_amd64.deb
[02:21] <dafart> now apt-get assumes it's broken
[02:21] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: --ignore-depends ?
[02:21] <dafart> and removes it everytime I use apot-get or synaptic
[02:21] <dafart> yes
[02:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: so it probably _is_ broken :)
[02:22] <dafart> no
[02:22] <dafart> it works fine
[02:22] <eruin> if you have to ignore-depends...
[02:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: its missing a package dependency.....so it is broken
[02:22] <dafart>  amule is afhankelijk van libwxbase2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6); maar:
[02:22] <dafart>   Versie van libwxbase2.4 op het systeem is 2.4.2.4ubuntu1.
[02:22] <dafart>  amule is afhankelijk van libwxgtk2.4 (>= 2.4.2.6); maar:
[02:22] <dafart>   Versie van libwxgtk2.4 op het systeem is 2.4.2.4ubuntu1.
[02:22] <dafart> in case you know dutch
[02:22] <dafart> only thing is'
[02:22] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: dont flood here
[02:22] <usual> even linux has it's stupid errors
[02:22] <dafart> lol
[02:22] <usual> /var/log/apache/access.log not a log file.
[02:22] <dafart> that's not flood
[02:23] <dafart> that's verbose from dpkg
[02:23] <dafart> so
[02:23] <eruin> anyone know how I can force ubuntu NOT to utilize locales I haven't even installed?
[02:23] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: 2.4.2.6 != 2.4.2.4
[02:23] <eruin> even less made default?
[02:23] <dafart> it looks for libwxbase2.4 but finds 2.4.2.4ubuntu1
[02:24] <dafart> and it simply works
[02:24] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: there is no 2.4.2.6 in warty.....
[02:24] <dafart> but apt-get assumes it doesn't work
[02:24] <dafart> I know
[02:24] <dafart> nonetheless, ignoring makes it install just fine
[02:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: apt-get is probably right...did you test _all_ functionallity over a long time period :)
[02:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: apt-get is for keeping your system clean and healthy
[02:25] <eruin> the whole POINT of apt-get is to satisfy dependencies
[02:25] <dafart> no, all I need for now is to have apt-get not assume it to be broken
[02:25] <eruin> and you BROKE that
[02:25] <eruin> jees
[02:25] <dafart> 'you know how to fix that?
[02:25] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: so it takes the commands the package maintainer gave the package for real :)
[02:26] <dafart> obviously
[02:26] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: get a amule package for 2.4.2.4 :)
[02:26] <dafart> I would if there was one
[02:26] <dafart> for amd64
[02:27] <dafart> but obviously there is none
[02:27] <dafart> except a debian unstable package
[02:27] <dafart> etc etc
[02:27] <dafart> does anyone know how to configure apt-get not to assume it to be broken?
[02:27] <dafart> since that was my initial question
[02:27] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: is there a source repository for the pkg ?
[02:28] <dafart> haven't found it
[02:28] (erik/#ubuntu) is openoffice.org in hoary amd64 re-gtkized?  warty oo.o amd64 is ugly :(
[02:28] <eruin> lol
[02:28] <EvilOverlord> dafart, its been years since I used apt-get so don't quote me, but I believe there is a way to specifiy to install without dependancies.
[02:28] <FTTP> anyone familiar with grub-install?
[02:29] <dafart> yes, I used that way
[02:29] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: what about the control ?
[02:29] <dafart> but now apt-get complains about the package to be broken
[02:29] <eruin> I have an apt-get output in synaptic that first uses english, then norwegian nynorsk, then english, then to finish off the confusion, it spits out danish
[02:29] <dafart> and uninstalls it everytime I use apt-get or synaptic or aptitude or whatever
[02:29] <eruin> I don't HAVE danish installed
[02:29] <eruin> does ANYONE here know what's up with hoary and locales?
[02:30] <FTTP> linux RUINED my XP
[02:30] <FTTP> doh
[02:30] <FTTP> errr more like XP ruined my linux :P
[02:30] <FTTP> hehe
[02:30] <kgill> ogra: control?
[02:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: its hoary :)
[02:30] <kgill> in system prefs?
[02:30] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: volume control
[02:30] <voth> how do i change repositories ?
[02:31] <eruin> ogra, locales can't be thaat broken
[02:31] <kgill> ogra: keeps going to zero
[02:31] (ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: in hoary everything is reworked to utf-8 locales must be broken for a while :)
[02:32] <eruin> ogra, yeah, that's fair enough, but using locales that ain't even installed is a bit freaky
[02:32] (ogra/#ubuntu) eruin: hehe....
[02:32] <eruin> and a different locale for just about every app is just downright annoying ;P
[02:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
[02:33] <eruin> I have
[02:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) and chosen...?
[02:33] <eruin> only my very own utf8 locale is installed, and it's default
[02:33] <eruin> nb_NO
[02:33] <riffic> i seem to be having a problem with nautilus and hoary
[02:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) nb_NO.UTF-8, right?
[02:33] <eruin> yeah
[02:33] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) norway is always a protest
[02:34] (jdub/#ubuntu) eruin: what's in your /etc/environment and /etc/locale.gen?
[02:34] <daniels> eruin: yeah, I know what the problem is
[02:34] <daniels> it's a bug in X.Org, I found out what it was today (finally), fixed it
[02:34] <eruin> daniels, apart from me being a newbie ubuntu user?
[02:34] <eruin> wahoo!
[02:34] <s0cks> I want my CDs to show up already :P
[02:34] <eruin> :)
[02:34] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i guess you have to adjust some module options for your ISA soundcard, but i have no clue about the values....
[02:35] <daniels> jdub: i assume he means the bug in xlibs-data whereby every X app ever would spit out 'HFS MAN WTF IS THIS LOCALE' on UTF-8 locales
[02:35] <kgill> ok thank you for all your help
[02:35] (jdub/#ubuntu) heh
[02:35] (jdub/#ubuntu) rocking
[02:35] <eruin> jdub, hum, lots of variants of my own locale for language, plus; eh, "da", "sv" and english
[02:35] <daniels> jdub: yeah, really ill
[02:35] <kgill> ogra: do you worlk for ubuntu?
[02:35] <eruin> lang is the one I set in dpkg-reconfigure
[02:35] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: nope.....
[02:36] <kgill> ogra: or is this a hang out spot for you
[02:36] <eruin> jdub, I did set LANGUAGE to nb_NO only before starting gdm though
[02:36] <xxorr> is ubuntu stable yet ?
[02:36] (ogra/#ubuntu) kgill: i simply love ubuntu...
[02:37] <eruin> daniels, when can I expect a fixed xorg in hoary? :)
[02:37] (jdub/#ubuntu) xxorr: the ubuntu 4.10 (warty warthog) release came out in october.
[02:37] <xxorr> ogra: yeah , debian is sweet
[02:37] (ogra/#ubuntu) xxorr: warty is the stable release
[02:37] <usual> eruin, what is wrong with xorg in hoary
[02:37] <kgill> oga: hehe ohwell thankx for everything bye
[02:37] <eruin> usual, locale issues according to daniels
[02:37] <socomm> Ubuntu? Think I've heard of that distro.
[02:37] <xxorr> ogra: you know ubuntu is debian based right ? =] 
[02:37] <usual> ok, i just upgraded again today (xorg)
[02:38] (ogra/#ubuntu) xxorr: yep
[02:38] <FTTP> are there any bootloaders other than grub + lilo?
[02:38] <FTTP> for linux that are worth their weight?
[02:38] <FTTP> anything in sourceforge or anything?
[02:39] <eruin> not really
[02:39] <FTTP> grub isnt good
[02:39] <eruin> grub is excellent ;)
[02:39] <FTTP> eruin not for me
[02:39] <eruin> restart
[02:40] <FTTP> keeps messing up everything
[02:40] <FTTP> eruin maybe grub2 will be better
[02:40] <FTTP> if there was a replacement i would swap it
[02:41] <dafart> lilo
[02:41] <dafart> but that won't work on amd64
[02:41] <dafart> :(
[02:41] <dafart> it is NOT broken
[02:42] <usual> dafart, what is it saying is broken
[02:42] <FTTP> if grub is the best for now, then thats not saying much :P
[02:42] <mass> hi! can ubuntu be installed on a software striped raid?
[02:42] <usual> I like grub
[02:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I happen to like lilo better
[02:42] <dafart> something I installed with dpkg --install --ignore-depends=
[02:43] <usual> dafart, what is it
[02:43] <FTTP> gammaray for what reason?
[02:43] <dafart> amule for amd64
[02:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: a> simplier b) does not rely on a config file existing on an hdd at boot
[02:44] <usual> amule - aNOTHER eMule P2P Client
[02:45] <socomm> http://www.xs4all.nl/~lennartb/bootloaders/
[02:45] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: did you try another mule ? i.e. is there a xmule package for amd64 in ubuntu
[02:45] <FTTP> socomm i found this one:  http://lwn.net/Articles/89772/
[02:46] <FTTP> good article
[02:46] <dafart> no way I'm gonna use xmule
[02:46] <FTTP> explains pros and cons
[02:46] <dafart> read the fora a bit
[02:46] <FTTP> socomm yeah yours is newer i think
[02:46] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: ?? whats wrong with it ?
[02:46] <dafart> and amule is much neater
[02:46] <dafart> also runs in cmd mode
[02:46] <usual> compile your own package
[02:46] <FTTP> June 16, 2004
[02:46] <FTTP> nope guess not
[02:46] <FTTP> mine was newer :P
[02:47] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: mldonkey ?
[02:47] <dafart> usual, I keep getting errors about wxGTK not being installed
[02:47] <dafart> it can't find wx-config
[02:47] <dafart> and neither can I
[02:47] <FTTP> GRUB is, according to its developers, alpha-quality software. Use at your own risk.
[02:47] <Chibi> Then install wmgtk, you nut D:
[02:47] <usual> libwxgtk2.4-dev
[02:47] <dafart> yeah yeah
[02:47] <dafart> etc
[02:47] <Chibi> Grub is fine.
[02:47] <socomm> dafart: you need the wxgtk-dev
[02:47] <usual> dafart, install the dev package of it
[02:48] <usual> libwxgtk2.4-dev libwxgtk2.4-contrib-dev
[02:48] <mass> sorry, my client crashed, so I have to ask again - does ubuntu support  creation of and installation onto a software striped raid?
[02:48] <FTTP> chibi:  Grub is better but its still not stable with windows xp
[02:48] <usual> FTTP, I have to disagree
[02:48] <Chibi> Grub is better with windows than Lilo is.
[02:48] <Chibi> :/
[02:48] <usual> FTTP, I have bene using grub with XP for quite some time
[02:49] <socomm> usual: your right to disagree has been stripped.
[02:49] <FTTP> usual:  i installed 2 distributions of linux, each one killed my boot partition
[02:49] <usual> socomm, how do you figure
[02:49] <FTTP> both were grub
[02:49] <socomm> usual: forget it.
[02:49] <FTTP> i never ever ever lost my windows boot partition
[02:49] <usual> FTTP, thats what grub does
[02:50] <usual> the MBR?
[02:50] <Mojo_Jojo> hey, I was wondering why when I can sometimes see my windows shares, it only seems to work when it wants too :/
[02:50] <FTTP> usual, each one had problems with booting into windows
[02:50] <FTTP> one got the file corrupted
[02:50] <FTTP> grub is definitely not stable
[02:50] <Chibi> If you install something onto the boot record, the thing that was there before will be overwritten.
[02:50] <usual> i have never had those issues
[02:50] <Chibi> It's common sense. D:
[02:50] <usual> :(
[02:50] <FTTP> chibi:  No i mean the grub bootloader installed
[02:50] <usual> how can grub currupt an XP boot file?
[02:51] <FTTP> usual:  The grub corrupted the grub
[02:51] <FTTP> its unstable
[02:51] (ogra/#ubuntu) usual: nobody had if he didnt play around with grub.....
[02:51] <usual> wow , never seen that happen
[02:51] <socomm> usual: by exposing it to kitty pr0n.
[02:51] <FTTP> usual:  Happens with novel desktop linux 9
[02:51] <usual> FTTP, I have used grub with countless dists with XP dual boot
[02:51] <FTTP> usual:  and with ubuntu it corrupted my hd as well
[02:51] <usual> never had an issue
[02:51] <mass> socomm: meow?
[02:52] <FTTP> usual:  Do you dual boot windows xp and linux?  it seems to be a common problem
[02:52] <usual> yes i do
[02:52] <FTTP> usual:  Alot of people have the same issue as me
[02:52] <Chibi> 'corrupted your harddrive'?
[02:52] <usual> i dunno why
[02:52] <FTTP> chibi:  caused errors on my hd
[02:52] <raj> I am ready to spend $30-40 bucks on wifi card that works with ubuntu. Can anyone suggest a decent card?
[02:52] <Chibi> That isn't very sensible. :/
[02:52] <FTTP> chibi:  I had to use chkdsk to fix it and the windows recovery
[02:53] <mass> wow, are decent wifi cards really that cheap now?
[02:53] <FTTP> chibi:  Something was up
[02:53] <Chibi> It's windows fault, not grub's :P
[02:53] <FTTP> chibi:  it could be due to certain configs or something
[02:53] <FTTP> chibi:  It needs to be fixed :)
[02:53] <FTTP> hopefully grub2 will fix it
[02:54] <Chibi> Windows will never be fixed. :P
[02:54] <FTTP> no not windows
[02:54] <FTTP> the bootloader needs to work better with windows
[02:54] <Chibi> No no no. Windows needs to work better with the bootloader.
[02:54] <Chibi> :D
[02:54] <dafart> fuck windows
[02:54] <dafart> shiteating bastards
[02:54] <FTTP> chibi:  It could be due to lba or something
[02:54] <FTTP> chibi:  I dont know
[02:54] <FTTP> chibi:  Could be a kernel problem too
[02:54] (ogra/#ubuntu) dafart: please watch your words....
[02:55] <pepsi> eat my pants
[02:55] <dafart> amen
[02:55] <Chibi> It's windows >O!
[02:55] <FTTP> chibi:  no
[02:55] <FTTP> chibi:  I dont know :) just has to be fixed
[02:55] <socomm> dafart: Watch that `w' word.
[02:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) dafart: keep it civilised please
[02:55] <FTTP> chibi:  so i can dual boot
[02:55] <FTTP> with no issues
[02:55] <dafart> ?
[02:56] <pepsi> :P
[02:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: the problems here are not necessarily grub's fault. you've mentioned quite a few variables there. grub, in general, handles multiple OS booting issues very well.
[02:56] <dafart> what a usefull lagging script messages
[02:56] <dafart> btw the dev version seems to work fine
[02:56] <Chibi> Yes, dafart. Be polite! 'sexual penertation disgusting operating system!' 'anal body waste consuming fatherless children!'
[02:56] <dafart> but ubuntu by default doesn't have a gtk1.2 dev version installed as well
[02:57] <FTTP> jdub:  not sure........... had bad issues with lilo tho with slackware back in the days
[02:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) Chibi: that's not helpful. don't.
[02:57] <Chibi> Hehe. :P
[02:57] <dafart> polite towards who?
[02:57] <FTTP> jdub:  like i would get all these weird characters on my screen and would have to reboot
[02:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) dafart: by default, there are no -dev packages, nor gtk+ 1.2 packages at all.
[02:57] <FTTP> jdub:  That was with lilo way back when
[02:57] <FTTP> Since I installed Ubuntu I have had slowness/tons of issues in my system when using
[02:57] <FTTP> Windows XP with it appearing to boot up ok but then the system becomes non
[02:57] <FTTP> responsive.    If I replace the mbr with windows the problem clears up.  It appears as
[02:57] <FTTP> though something happens which causes problems with Windows XP.
[02:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: we're not talking about lilo.
[02:58] <FTTP> jdub:  Right but it appears to be bootloader related
[02:58] <Chibi> FTTP- I've had that happen without touching another operating system. It's a windows problem, I'm telling you :o
[02:58] <FTTP> jdub:  Its as if by changing the bootloader windows has issues
[02:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) Chibi: it's not appreciated, even as a joke.
[02:59] <FTTP> and the reason is due to the mbr getting corrupted
[02:59] <Chibi> Hey hey now, I was just helping dafart tone down. :/
[02:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: the bootloader *replaces* the mbr. there are plenty of variables there.
[02:59] <FTTP> jdub:   ok well wheres the issue?
[02:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Chibi: regardless, you were continuing it unnecessarily
[02:59] <FTTP> jdub:  I mean other than the bootloader what could be the issue?
[03:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: i don't know dude, you've mentioned a *lot* of variables
[03:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> can't you just clear the mbr then put lilo in?
[03:00] <FTTP> jdub:  All I know is since I installed ubuntu i had windows problems, fixed the mbr and ran a chkdsk and redid the bootcfg to default blah blah and now its working fine with windows, HOWEVER i dont have linux working yet
[03:01] <FTTP> cause of grub, im afraid it will mess up my partition again
[03:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> fttp, use lilo
[03:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> I've seen grub cause issues with lots of different things
[03:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> esp raid arrays
[03:01] <FTTP> ralphnader:  i dont have raid
[03:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> not the point
[03:01] <FTTP> ralphnader:   2 hds on eide
[03:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> just saying
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> I know a guy who borked his raid controller using grub
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> of course thats his story
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> but I put lilo on for him and it worked fine
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> could be user error
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> but I steer clear of grub
[03:02] <FTTP> alot of people on here disagree with you :P
[03:02] <FTTP> but grub is still considered alpha quality
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> heh
[03:02] <FTTP> need more stable grub
[03:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> well that's their prerogative, of course
[03:03] <[SPD] RalphNader> but I've personally had problems with grun
[03:03] <[SPD] RalphNader> er
[03:03] <[SPD] RalphNader> grub
[03:03] <[SPD] RalphNader> and none with lilo
[03:03] <pepsi> hrm
[03:03] <pepsi> time for grub
[03:03] <pepsi> bbl
[03:03] <dafart> w00t sensitive people here
[03:03] <dafart> anyone using amd64?
[03:03] (erik/#ubuntu) install the i am
[03:03] (erik/#ubuntu) asontuha
[03:03] (erik/#ubuntu) ahem
[03:03] (erik/#ubuntu) I am
[03:04] <dafart> I'll make a .deb for amule cvs for ubuntu on amd64
[03:04] <[SPD] RalphNader> so I've been told that ubuntu is the stuff
[03:04] <dafart> in case someone wants to try it out
[03:04] (erik/#ubuntu) dafart: what's amule?
[03:04] <FTTP> ralphnader:  Im gonna try grub one more time
[03:04] <[SPD] RalphNader> I run SuSE currently... thinking of trying ubuntu out
[03:04] <dafart> p2p client
[03:04] <[SPD] RalphNader> what do you guys like about it?
[03:04] <[SPD] RalphNader> never heard of amule
[03:04] <calc> its debian :)
[03:04] <[SPD] RalphNader> emule
[03:05] <dafart> emule fork
[03:05] <[SPD] RalphNader> forked up emule?
[03:05] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol
[03:05] <dafart> ?
[03:05] <[SPD] RalphNader> what kind of package management does ubuntu use?
[03:05] <[SPD] RalphNader> I'm very tired of YaST
[03:05] <[SPD] RalphNader> it's teh suck
[03:05] <dafart> .deb
[03:05] <[SPD] RalphNader> hmmm
[03:06] <calc> [SPD] RalphNader: dpkg
[03:06] <dafart> erik, http://www.amule.org/
[03:06] <FTTP> other than security, my windows xp pro system has been stable i must say
[03:06] (ogra/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: synaptic
[03:06] <FTTP> but
[03:06] <FTTP> i hate microsofts dominance
[03:06] <FTTP> and i hate the security flaws
[03:06] <[SPD] RalphNader> well I had xp pro
[03:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: give it a rest, please
[03:06] <calc> xp has been stable for me except for the time it ate all my data
[03:07] <pepsi> heh
[03:07] <dafart> be carefull FTTP, people seem to be picky on the subject
[03:07] <[SPD] RalphNader> then I tried mandrake
[03:07] <[SPD] RalphNader> which is even more bloated than windows
[03:07] <[SPD] RalphNader> I like compact
[03:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: meaningless
[03:07] <[SPD] RalphNader> what's meaningless gamma?
[03:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) dudes, please take the distro discussion/flaming elsewhere
[03:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) mandrake can be installed in 68MB
[03:08] <[SPD] RalphNader> jdub, it's semi-pertinent to what I'm asking in here
[03:08] (ogra/#ubuntu) offtopic > #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:08] <FTTP> lol
[03:08] <[SPD] RalphNader> which is what's better about ubuntu
[03:08] <FTTP> anyways enuff about msft
[03:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I like ubuntu but I'm not about to put up w/ meaningless bad mouthing
[03:08] (jdub/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: we can determine that without the dissing.
[03:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) of any distro
[03:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hell, of anything
[03:09] <calc> [SPD] RalphNader: all dists are pretty much the same, the biggest difference being release timing, and how they are branded
[03:09] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol I'm not badmouthing, just expressing what's steered me where I am now
[03:09] <FTTP> ok i got the grub people helping me :)
[03:10] <[SPD] RalphNader> well when I installed mandrake I was a n00b... so to me it seemed no better than what I had
[03:10] <[SPD] RalphNader> which was XP
[03:10] <[SPD] RalphNader> I know better now
[03:11] <[SPD] RalphNader> I've been on SuSE 9.0 for a while... but I want something a little more compact in its default packages, and more of a standard linux
[03:11] <[SPD] RalphNader> which is what I'm told ubuntu is
[03:11] <kensai> [SPD] RalphNader, thats ubuntu right
[03:11] <[SPD] RalphNader> I'm still in the learning process... if any linux user ever gets out of that process
[03:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) iZm: lsb?
[03:12] <calc> debian can be installed in even small space, all depends on how small you want it
[03:12] <kensai> [SPD] RalphNader, no one gets out of the learning process
[03:12] <calc> iirc a minimal debian install is between 50-100MB
[03:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I like less config tools, more of things just working
[03:13] <[SPD] RalphNader> Gamma, I like the power to be there, just not sprawled all over the place
[03:13] (iZm/#ubuntu) I spend my days building gentoo, suse and debian servers. It is nice to come home to a relaxing distro like ubuntu. Quick and trouble free so far.
[03:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) so.. when do we get chkconfig (-;
[03:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ?
[03:14] <[SPD] RalphNader> do you have to do and FTP install or can you get .iso files?
[03:15] <calc> [SPD] RalphNader: there are isos available
[03:15] <[SPD] RalphNader> good deal
[03:15] <calc> [SPD] RalphNader: for the first cd anyway
[03:15] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol
[03:15] <[SPD] RalphNader> from what I'm hearing
[03:15] <[SPD] RalphNader> one CD will do it
[03:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) which reminds me.. is there an ftp install?
[03:15] <[SPD] RalphNader> what's the default desktop? gnome?
[03:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I have not seen any floppy images anywhere
[03:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [SPD] RalphNader: yes, gnome
[03:16] <calc> [SPD] RalphNader: one cd has enough to get a system up, there are other things available as well in the archive
[03:16] <[SPD] RalphNader> I've been using KDE for some time
[03:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) kde isn't included unless you add the universe repository
[03:16] <calc> typing over ssh when you are lagged sucks
[03:16] <[SPD] RalphNader> I tried to install gnome on SuSE and it doesn't like something about my GTK libraries
[03:16] <kensai> [SPD] RalphNader, KDE is usable in Ubuntu I've personaly tried it
[03:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) though kde isn't "supported"
[03:17] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol
[03:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Xorg is greater than hoary? huh?
[03:18] <[SPD] RalphNader> I don't know what either is
[03:18] (jdub/#ubuntu) let's not fill the topic with crap, please
[03:18] (erik/#ubuntu) yeah, like how cat is greater than foo.txt
[03:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) erik: the context is english, not the shell
[03:20] <[SPD] RalphNader> well I"m off to do some fragging
[03:20] <daniels> greebo: DUDE!
[03:20] <[SPD] RalphNader> thanks for your help and tips
[03:20] <kensai> [SPD] RalphNader, happy fragging
[03:20] <[SPD] RalphNader> I'm sure I'll be back here when I actually go to install and configure :)
[03:20] <[SPD] RalphNader> ty kens
[03:21] <kensai> I'm seeing kde 3.3 is there in ubuntu or my eyes are telling lies?
[03:21] <kensai> I see some 3.3 packages in apt
[03:22] (Gmail/#ubuntu) UdontKno1: /nick UdontKnow
[03:23] <aaroncuk> hi guys... trying to run X -configure.. any ideas how lol?? i have downloaded and installed the savage driver and im trying to set it up
[03:23] <greebo> daniels, heya :)
[03:24] <s0cks> Here to work for a while.
[03:25] <s0cks> Hey Udontknow
[03:27] <kgill> ogra: you still here
[03:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) websters has a definition for Gamma Ray the band...
[03:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Gamma%20Ray%20%28band%29
[03:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) and Ext3
[03:30] <s0cks> Ugh.
[03:30] <Gnobody> does anybody else have a dependancy problem in hoary with kcontrol???
[03:31] <s0cks> Still waiting for the distro to get here.
[03:33] <s0cks> That could take a while. And I can't really 'do' anything but hang out until that happens.
[03:33] <Gnobody> where is KDE 3.3.1 in hoary???
[03:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) 1  	Fedora  	1717
[03:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) 2 	Mandrakelinux 	1536
[03:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) 3 	SUSE 	1325
[03:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) 4 	MEPIS 	1053
[03:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) 5 	Ubuntu 	1046
[03:34] <s0cks> Mandrake really is garbage. I sampled it today on my friends system.
[03:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) so is mepis
[03:34] <calc> Gnobody: 3.3.1 just was finished in sid recently, someone will probably put it in hoary eventually
[03:35] (Gmail/#ubuntu) so id suse
[03:35] (Gmail/#ubuntu) so is fedora
[03:35] (Gmail/#ubuntu) ...
[03:35] (neill/#ubuntu) Gmail: what are those numbers?
[03:35] <Gnobody> eventually?
[03:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s0cks: how exactly?
[03:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s0cks: why why the name calling?
[03:36] <s0cks> It is pretty glitchy.
[03:36] <s0cks> And the interface is horrible.
[03:36] <s0cks> To me at least.
[03:36] <s0cks> Suse is better.
[03:36] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the interface?
[03:36] <s0cks> And Gentoo is fine, im suprised it isn't up there
[03:36] <s0cks> Fedora is good.
[03:36] <usual> bloat
[03:36] <s0cks> But mepis and mandrake aren't anything special.
[03:37] (Gmail/#ubuntu) neill: distrowatch.org in one month mode
[03:37] <usual> gentoo users crack me up
[03:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I was not aware that any distro had it's own interface
[03:37] <calc> well kde on debian/ubuntu is stock so you probably won't like it
[03:37] <usual> the "optimized" gentoo apps are slower than the debian i386 binary's
[03:37] <Gnobody> does anybody know how to fix the kcontrol broken pipe error when trying to install KDE??
[03:37] <Gnobody> in hoary?
[03:37] <kensai> usual, youre right for me they are the same
[03:38] <calc> Gnobody: msg me the error i might be able to figure it out
[03:38] <Gnobody> k
[03:38] <seek187> yeah I get that error too
[03:38] <seek187> when I was trying to install k3b
[03:39] <s0cks> I want a linux shell for windows.
[03:39] <s0cks> With no bugs.
[03:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s0cks: I myself think that urpmi is pretty special
[03:39] <calc> s0cks: run cygwin
[03:40] <calc> Gnobody: looks like the versions of packages are out of sync on ubuntu
[03:40] <FTTP> ok i think i know what happened now
[03:40] <FTTP> By the way, as noted above, it is quite difficult to guess BIOS drives correctly under a UNIX-like OS. Thus, grub-install will prompt you to check if it could really guess the correct mappings, after the installation. The format is defined in Device map. Please be quite careful. If the output is wrong, it is unlikely that your computer will be able to boot with no problem.
[03:40] <calc> Gnobody: the problem isn't the pipe, its the overlapping file
[03:40] (gen/#ubuntu) s0cks: bb4win
[03:40] <FTTP> grub didnt correctly determine my mappings correctly
[03:40] <FTTP> and thats why i keep having issues
[03:40] <FTTP> so how do i manually enter em? :)
[03:41] <s0cks> cygwin il try first
[03:48] <usual> "Gates gets spammed 4 million times a day"
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd hate to think he has just one email address
[03:49] (Gmail/#ubuntu) let spam him
[03:49] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) ogra: nope, that svga driver didn't work either, so looks like I'm stuck with the vesa driver
[03:49] (Gmail/#ubuntu) DEAR MR GATE YOU ARE THE WINNER OF $USD99,999,999 (NINE....)
[03:50] <s0cks> I have a feeling that since I sold Gmail's email address, it will grow in spam popularity.
[03:50] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) mailto:billg@microsoft.com
[03:50] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) fabbione: are you around (FTTP said you might be able to help with a refresh/resolution problem) ?
[03:51] <aaroncuk> hi all i really need some help with X
[03:51] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) fabbione: I think I'm stuck with a 'vesa' driver for a crappy S3 Trio vid card, and I'm wondering if there are any known ways to manually tweak the refresh past 61Hz (without reducing resolution down to 480X640) ?
[03:51] <aaroncuk> my config file is nackered and it wont load!!
[03:51] (gen/#ubuntu) nackered
[03:52] (Gmail/#ubuntu) lol
[03:52] <aaroncuk> fatal server error, no screens found, have tried to run X -configure
[03:52] (Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf linux@microsoft.com
[03:52] <aaroncuk> is there a way to reinstall it?
[03:52] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) Gmail its the ms anti-terror hotline
[03:53] (gen/#ubuntu) un-nacker
[03:53] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:53] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Xenguy: not for vesa
[03:53] <FTTP> ok i figured out how to do grub-install
[03:53] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you need to use the s3 driver
[03:53] <FTTP> i think my bios is f0cked for linux hto
[03:53] (Gmail/#ubuntu) 0_0 http://blogs.msdn.com/mscomts/archive/2004/04/30/124343.aspx
[03:53] <FTTP> err tho
[03:53] (Gmail/#ubuntu) they claim they use linux servers
[03:53] <FTTP> i have no lba option in bios
[03:53] <FTTP> its a dell
[03:53] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: do you mean literally 's3' ?
[03:54] <FTTP> will wait for new bios
[03:54] <kensai> Gmail, it is proved that they use Linux servers
[03:54] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) scopecrp: yes I think that's right
[03:54] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) er Xenguy
[03:55] <s0cks> gateway voids your warranty if you use linux
[03:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) let me verify
[03:55] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I'll try it now, sec
[03:55] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: Oh OK
[03:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes
[03:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s3
[03:55] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I'll try it now, sec
[03:58] <FTTP> where is the mount partition for windows located?
[03:58] <FTTP> i modified the mount last time
[03:58] <FTTP> i thought it was in /mnt
[03:58] <calc> maybe /media ?
[03:58] <FTTP> where is the ubuntu faq on that?
[03:58] <calc> the location for mounts is supposed to be /media with new fhs
[03:59] <FTTP> calc nope not in media
[03:59] <FTTP> i have 3 cdroms in there
[03:59] <FTTP> weird
[03:59] <FTTP> i have 2 cdrom drives, not 3
[03:59] <calc> well if its setup at all it should be listed in /etc/fstab file
[03:59] <FTTP> yeah thats it
[03:59] <FTTP> thanks
[03:59] <FTTP> i fergot where i mounted it :)
[04:00] <FTTP> doh
[04:00] <FTTP> i must have done it on the last install
[04:00] <FTTP> have to readd it
[04:00] <aaroncuk> ok the reconfigure thing hasnt worked
[04:00] <paph> anyone know why i cant login as root at all, keeps saying my password is incorrect...
[04:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) paph: there is no root user on ubuntu. you never specified a password for it, if you remember your install. :)
[04:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) paph: see the FAQ for more info
[04:01] <Albright> How can I re-run the installer/configuration program?
[04:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Albright: what do you need to change?
[04:02] <Albright> Well, I recently changed my WEP password on my base station...
[04:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) Albright: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[04:02] <Albright> And I can't get my machine's wireless card to cooperate using iwconfig...
[04:02] <aaroncuk> it just keeps saying no screens found
[04:02] <Albright> Hmm...
[04:02] <s0cks> Gmail : people are campeigning to get you glined
[04:03] (Gmail/#ubuntu) klined
[04:04] <calc> gline/kline is effectively the same
[04:04] <aaroncuk> how would i find out my video cards bus indentifier
[04:04] <aaroncuk> its on board
[04:04] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) calc: well not really but on this network it is
[04:05] <calc> aaroncuk: lspci
[04:05] <calc> HrdwrBoB: ah
[04:05] (Gmail/#ubuntu) s0cks: stephen is a moron a staffer will never lisson to a moron
[04:05] <daniels> Gmail: dude, please stop pasting distrowatch stats, OK?
[04:05] <FTTP> wheres the faq on ubuntu for mounting in windows?
[04:05] <FTTP> i mean mounting windows partition
[04:05] <eruin> ah, okay. font settings (antialiasing/subpixel rendering, etc) in gnome/hoary doesn't actually work
[04:06] <scoon> how can i have apt-get not re-install the binary of a package after i have already installed the source with dpkg -i ?
[04:06] <eruin> settings don't get applied. I had to edit /etc/fonts/local.conf manually
[04:06] <paph> jdub, i read the faq and my attempts at sudo passwd root leave me prompted to enter a passwd b4 i can change it
[04:06] <farruinn> FTTP, mount -t vfat /dev/hd** /dir
[04:06] <eruin> FTTP
[04:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) paph: it's asking for your password.
[04:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) paph: i'd encourage you to not set the root password, and work with sudo
[04:06] <paph> i typed it in
[04:06] <farruinn> as long as you formatted windows partition/drive as vfat and not ntfs
[04:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) paph: it's worth trying
[04:06] <FTTP> farruinn no i want to modify my etc fstab
[04:07] <FTTP> there was a faq on ubuntu website
[04:07] <eruin> FTTP, /dev/sda2       /media/data     vfat    users,umask=000                 0       0
[04:07] <FTTP> i cant find it
[04:07] <paph> jdub, so sudo passwd -l root
[04:07] <eruin> thats probably the kind of line you want FTTP
[04:07] <NewComer> FTTP, add users to the options
[04:07] <FTTP> eruin yeah but wheres the faq :P
[04:07] <eruin> no idae
[04:07] <NewComer> FTTP, in fstab that is
[04:07] <eruin> users is, afaik, useless, really, without umask
[04:08] <NewComer> /dev/hda1       /mnt/win_c      vfat   rw,suid,dev,exec,users,noauto,iocharset=utf8 0    0
[04:08] <farruinn> FTTP, man fstab
[04:08] <eruin> I don't get why people reply "man this"
[04:09] <NewComer> these options are the same as "default" with the exception of  noauto and users
[04:09] <farruinn> because the man pages are a valuable resource
[04:09] <aaroncuk> hmm it doesnt seem to be overwriting my old config file
[04:09] <eruin> farruinn, people asking about a specific problem have a) already read the manpage, or b) just want exactly what they ask for
[04:09] <Albright> How can I re-run the installer/configuration program?
[04:11] <farruinn> eruin, I agree, but I'm sure that whatever FTTP needs to know from the ubuntu faq is available in the man page
[04:11] <scoon> anyone ?  how can i keep apt from re-installing a binary package after i have built it and installed from a source package
[04:11] <FTTP> ok i got it
[04:11] <FTTP> done
[04:12] <FTTP> i also downloaded the microsoft core fonts
[04:12] <FTTP> ill relog
[04:12] <FTTP> brb
[04:12] <eruin> scoon, you could make a .deb from the source package I guess
[04:12] <calc> scoon: set it to hold
[04:12] <X-Poz> is xorg supported on the cds that were sent?
[04:12] <eruin> the msttcorefonts aren't the same as the ones in winXP
[04:13] <eruin> X-Poz, no, but you can edit sources.list to use hoary
[04:13] <scoon> calc: is that a pinning ? thing
[04:13] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: Well that was weird; switch to 's3' throws my monitor into some power-saving mode that I cannot awaken it from :-/
[04:13] <X-Poz> alright thanks
[04:13] <eruin> X-Poz, like I've done with the system I'm on right now ;)
[04:13] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) are there any good graphical tools to edit ms acess databases?
[04:13] <calc> scoon: did you compile a deb and install it or just compiled source and installed the files directly?
[04:14] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: anyway, I can't get my monitor to come alive to see what actually happened after I typed 'startx'
[04:14] <scoon> calc: using the warty src i just did this: apt-get source rhythmbox
[04:14] <aaroncuk> Xenguy - i run that reconfigure but its not worked, think its still using old file.. any ideas?
[04:14] <scoon> calc: the deb gets built and then i dpkg -i
[04:14] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: oh yes...
[04:14] <calc> scoon: ah ok, yea just set it to hold
[04:15] <usual> calc, ltns
[04:15] <usual> :)
[04:15] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: you need to run 'dexconf' I believe (sorry I forgot, it seems to be an Ubu thing)
[04:15] <scoon> calc: is that a pinning thing ?
[04:15] <calc> not that i know of
[04:15] <aaroncuk> cool just getting some updates, will try that
[04:15] <calc> you can set holds in package managers, not sure how to do it directly with dpkg
[04:16] <FTTP> didnt work
[04:16] <FTTP> /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[04:16] <FTTP> thats correct right?
[04:16] <FTTP> do i need to add a winxp file or directory?
[04:17] <NewComer> FTTP,
[04:17] <farruinn> does linux support ntfs?
[04:17] <NewComer> yeah
[04:17] <FTTP> yes newcomer?
[04:17] <paph> where can i find more sources to add to my apt list so i can get more packages (ie enlightenment, gdesklets, lm_sensors)
[04:17] <FTTP> newcomer yeah to what?
[04:17] <NewComer> FTTP, mkdir /mnt/winxp
[04:17] <FTTP> thanks
[04:17] <NewComer> sudo mkdir /mnt/winxp
[04:18] <NewComer> sudo chmod 777 /mnt/winxp
[04:18] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Anyone - I am really curious now as to why I can get better refresh in X3 than in X4 with the same vid card -- is anyone familiar with editing /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 to force a particular refresh rate?
[04:19] <farruinn> doesn't that require modelines?
[04:19] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) (if that's possible)
[04:19] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) farruinn: I don't know
[04:19] <farruinn> sorry, I was asking the channel in general =)
[04:19] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) nod
[04:20] <scoon> calc: how do i set a hold ?
[04:20] (Gmail/#ubuntu) ROTFL look at ##windows topic
[04:21] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) er
[04:21] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail:
[04:21] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you are the biggest tard ever
[04:22] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) scoon: try this -> echo packagename hold | dpkg --set-selections
[04:22] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) scoon: substitute a real package for 'packagename'
[04:23] <scoon> Xenguy: reading the dpkg man doesn't really make that opt very clear, what will it do for me.
[04:24] <aaroncuk> Xenguy - that hasnt worked either, any more ideas before i format
[04:24] <aaroncuk> lol
[04:24] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) scoon: I'm going by some old notes - AFAIK that will place the specified package on hold
[04:24] <paph> where can i find more sources to add to my apt list so i can get more packages (ie enlightenment, gdesklets, lm_sensors)
[04:24] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: hrm, it worked for me -- did you try sudo dexconf ?
[04:25] <aaroncuk> yeah
[04:25] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: looks like yer having as much luck as me tonight ;-)
[04:27] <usual> has anyone else noticed that totem defines words in movie playback and tell you information about quotes people used in the movie?
[04:27] <aaroncuk> just getting caught signal errors now
[04:28] <s0cks> GMAIL@
[04:28] <aaroncuk> can u get rid of xserver and reinstall it>
[04:29] <scoon> apt-get moo
[04:29] <scoon> anyone try it
[04:29] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: hrm...
[04:30] <farruinn> dpkg-reconfigure xserver
[04:30] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: how about -> sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xfree86
[04:30] <scoon> well it made me laff anyway
[04:31] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: that will kill your config files too
[04:31] <paph> hrm, can anyone point me in the direction to find some more sources to add to my apt list, besides the default.
[04:31] <aaroncuk> they are knackereed lol
[04:31] <s0cks> Linux Shell help again please.
[04:31] <s0cks> Who knows some good ones?
[04:31] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: wth is the 'knackered' anyway?
[04:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) bash is good
[04:32] <aaroncuk> rubbish, no good, broken
[04:32] (geppy/#ubuntu) hahaha
[04:32] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: /etc/apt/sources.list  ?
[04:33] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: it's not clear where you are at (at least to me)
[04:33] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: what's missing from the default?  Usually people only go looking for more sources if there's something the defaults don't provide
[04:33] <aaroncuk> UK
[04:33] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: er, where your system is at ;-)
[04:33] <aaroncuk> lol
[04:33] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) hehe
[04:33] <aaroncuk> its next to me lol
[04:33] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: and be aware that there won't be very many sources that are compiled against ubuntu yet (although I suspect that will change)
[04:33] <aaroncuk> and im kicking it
[04:34] (jdub/#ubuntu) paph: are you using universe and multiverse?
[04:35] <paph> i am not sure what i am using, i would just like to install lm_sensors, gdesklets, enlightenment
[04:36] <paph> i know i can jusr download the packages themselves, but i was trying to see what all i could just let apt do hehe
[04:36] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) they should all be in universe at least
[04:36] <paph> how do i check if im using multiverse or universe
[04:36] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: yes, you want apt to do the heavy lifting...
[04:37] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: look at /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:37] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: you need to open that file in an editor - can you do that?
[04:37] <paph> yes
[04:37] <paph> its open
[04:38] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) is there a line for universe?
[04:38] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) it's there, but commented by default
[04:38] <aaroncuk> rights it back on line lol
[04:38] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) if you uncomment it, then universe should become available to you
[04:38] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: so what happened?
[04:39] <paph> ahh cool
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:39] <paph> so just uncomment those 2 lines and apt-get update and im good to go
[04:39] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: make sure 'multiverse' is configured also
[04:39] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: yes
[04:39] <aaroncuk> its back now.. workin. still crap tho... it doesnt seem to be in 24 bit
[04:39] <paph> Xenguy, multiverse. ...i dont see that
[04:40] <aaroncuk> gradients look terrible
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> two for archives two for security
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> cd optional
[04:40] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) paph: that's not there by defauly.  Copy the line for universe and change it to multiverse
[04:40] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: clone the 'universe' line and change 'universe' to 'multiverse'
[04:40] <aaroncuk> but i am beyong caring for tonight, im off to bed lol
[04:40] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: l8r
[04:40] <aaroncuk> one last question.. what does hte x in the middle of he screen mean
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> Xenguy: it is better to have main restricted universe multiverse
[04:41] <paph> Xenguy, same for the src as well?
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> on all four lines
[04:41] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: if it doesn't turn into a more normal looking cursor, it means something is misconfigured AFAIK
[04:41] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: why?
[04:41] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) paph: sure, why not? ;-)
[04:41] <paph> ok cool
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss: if you want all the packages available
[04:41] <paph>  then apt-get update
[04:41] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) yep
[04:42] <aaroncuk> ok cool thanks for ur help xen
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss it is recommended on the ubu wiki page
[04:42] <aaroncuk> see ya
[04:42] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: what, having them all on the same line?
[04:42] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) where on the wiki?
[04:42] (gen/#ubuntu) what is "gam_server"
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss yes
[04:43] <eruin> how about making firefox use the gtk chooser and integrate with, nautilus (image->wallpaper) ?
[04:43] <Tsjoklat> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:43] (gen/#ubuntu) what is gam_server, it's using 100% cpu
[04:44] (gen/#ubuntu) gamin i assume, whats it for
[04:44] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: kill it then
[04:44] (gen/#ubuntu) safe?
[04:44] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: no idea, but no process should use 100%
[04:44] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: I'd kill it out of principle
[04:45] (gen/#ubuntu) it just started out of no where about 3 minutes ago
[04:45] <eruin> it's not distro-specific that's for sure
[04:45] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: I don't see it say that anywhere on that page
[04:45] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: I've never heard of such a process BTW
[04:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) gen: it's for file alteration notification
[04:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) gen: no harm killing it
[04:46] (gen/#ubuntu) thanks jdub
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe' and
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> ## 'multiverse' repositories:
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[04:46] (gen/#ubuntu) yea, started right after i copied a pretty big directory
[04:46] <Ubuntu> looks like my video card was detected
[04:46] <Ubuntu> appropriately
[04:46] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: yes, those are seperate lines.  You said that it recommended they be on the same line
[04:46] <Ubuntu> it got the scan frequencies right
[04:47] <Ubuntu> but it didnt get the resolutions all right :P
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> same deal.. your box won't explode
[04:47] <Ubuntu> reported it as a bug
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> jdub you can put: main restricted universe multiverse on one line can't you
[04:47] <Ubuntu> gave fabio some details
[04:47] <eruin> Tsjoklat, yes
[04:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: yes
[04:47] <Ubuntu> the log file has so much info on the monitor
[04:47] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss: there is your answer
[04:47] <Ubuntu> unbelievable :)
[04:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) they don't have to be on the same line though
[04:48] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: functionally, it's juust repeasting lines.  There's no reason to do it.  Either have them on seperate lines or all on one line.  There's no reason to have 4 copies of the *same* line
[04:48] (jdub/#ubuntu) we separate them so you can enable them separately
[04:48] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: do you know how to manually configure the /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 file to improve refresh rates/screen resolution by any chance?
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> I said four lines you need: two for archives two for security
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> makes FOUR
[04:48] (gen/#ubuntu) is there a way to delete a lot of files with one extension easily (from command line)
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> you need all those on each rep.. archives and security
[04:48] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  google like i do
[04:48] (gen/#ubuntu) in the same directory
[04:48] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  LOL
[04:48] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: care to help?
[04:49] <Ubuntu> xenguy:   im not sure, but i would google it and then find out that way
[04:49] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ah, that's where I misunderstood
[04:49] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: rm -f *.blah
[04:49] (gen/#ubuntu) thanks
[04:49] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) gen: yw
[04:49] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  I reported it as a bug but he closed it out, then i reopened it and he asked for my files
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss: this one later on: ## Uncomment after release to continue getting Updates:
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> # deb http://archive.ubuntu.org/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[04:49] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  You gotta be persistent :)
[04:49] <Ubuntu> i mean he knew it was a known limitation maybe
[04:50] <Ubuntu> but more info the better
[04:50] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: believe I am - I've been tracking this problem for several days now
[04:50] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: yes
[04:50] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  it appears to be with alot of monitors
[04:50] <Tsjoklat> jdub.. I spoke to Kamion earlier on... he adviced me to put ISO in the local.gen... if this is correct.. are you going to change your post?
[04:50] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  The config utility is being worked on
[04:50] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  X.ORG one will be better
[04:50] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: someone else mentioned fabbione's name, and I already inquired, so we'll see
[04:51] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  that was me
[04:51] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  Maybe
[04:51] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: well, it's not wrong, but if there are bugs elsewhere, we'll have to deal with them
[04:51] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  Ubuntu's people are brilliant
[04:51] <NewComer> is ubuntuforums.org down?
[04:51] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  The developers are literally geniouses and i mean that
[04:51] <Tsjoklat> jdub: I have now ISO and UTF in local.gen but I still get the xlib errors with certain progs
[04:52] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  Ubuntu has so much potential
[04:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: that's an xlib issue
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> jdub: has nothing to do with xorg? Kamion and daniels thought it was/is
[04:52] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) I hate bugzilla :)
[04:52] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  alot of it is handled by X directly
[04:52] <Ubuntu> xenguy:  work is constantly being done tho
[04:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat:
[04:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Package: xlibs-data
[04:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Source: xorg
[04:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) 
[04:53] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no, it was FTTP that pointed me to fabbione -- but anyway, I'm just looking for a way to manually tweak the refresh rate for my (admittedly crappy) vid card -- guess I'll try some googling
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> jdub: so it does.. okay I'll ride it out no biggie... just downgraded a version and pinned it
[04:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[04:53] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yes, I am impressed with Ubu so far
[04:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: that'll ask a bunch of questions
[04:54] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: been there, done that -- that is not going to do it
[04:54] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I need 'manual over-ride' ;-)
[04:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: have you read the comment at the top of XF86Config-4?
[04:54] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: if I have I don't remember - should I?
[04:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) sure
[04:54] <Tsjoklat> Xenguy: you should memorize it :P
[04:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: read the bit about md5sum, follow those directions, then dpkg-reconfigure again
[04:56] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: you know what?  I expect you are trying to actually help ;-)  ...
[04:56] <Tsjoklat> does anyone have a succesful update notifier in their panel?
[04:57] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: but once you have struggled for long enough, cryptic advice just starts to be a piss off...
[04:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) it's not cryptic
[04:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) there are directions in the comment about md5summing
[04:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) follow the directions
[04:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) then run dpkg-reconfigure ... again
[04:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) ^ not cryptic
[04:57] <Tsjoklat> rtfm
[04:57] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: so what exactly is the comment at the top of the file supposed to tell me that is useful, cos at this hour of the night, I frankly don't get it?
[04:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: don't
[04:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: there are directions there about updating the md5sum
[04:59] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: hrm, I know what an md5sum is; I've used it before; and I don't (right now) understand what relevance it has to my situation (honestly) -- but I'll try re-reading the comments
[04:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) the comment at the top of that file explains pretty clearly
[04:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) again
[04:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) follow the directions
[04:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) run dpkg-reconfigure ...
[04:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) i'm not telling you this for any other reason but to fix your problem
[05:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) so i'd recommend following my directions
[05:00] <s0cks> ubuntu needs a vhost
[05:01] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: are there any install images for hoary yet?  I'd like to do some testing to ensure I can actually install it without a day's hackery before it releases :)
[05:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: not recommended that you use those atm, it's very early and there have been lots of installer changes
[05:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: if you want to try hoary, just upgrade
[05:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) i would only recommend doing so if you're very familiar with debian systems though
[05:02] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: before I lose the ability to speak english, and type ;-) can you simply spell out what the goal is here -- what is all this intended to achieve, specifically?
[05:02] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: I had massive problems with the warty installer  on a box I built for a client last week  (admittedly, the hardware was pretty new and probably wansn't properly supported yet)
[05:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: reconfiguring your x server
[05:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what kind of hardware?
[05:03] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: I might have *some* passing familiarity with Debian systems, yes :)
[05:03] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: nono...my worry isn't about the upgrade, it's about the actual installer.  I have no doubt that the upgrade path will be smooth (it's Debian in a not-very-convincing disguise after all)
[05:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: wouldn't bother with it for now
[05:04] <scoon> damn
[05:04] <scoon> i give up
[05:04] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: XP3000+, an ASRock KT880 motherboard, a VIA SATA controller...
[05:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: when colin announces an array cd release, try then
[05:04] <scoon> i can't find how to not upgrade compiled debs back to binary
[05:04] <scoon> and pining doesn't do the trick
[05:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what broke during install?
[05:04] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: sorry, but this is poor communication -- thanks anyway for trying :-)
[05:04] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) bagpuss: the disguise is pretty convinving for me, it actually works, and I didn't compile my own kernel, or run development versions of software :P
[05:05] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: are you going to follow the directions?
[05:05] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: the installer kernel booted intermittently, and once the system was actually installed refused to boot at all.  I ended up chrooting from a knoppix to install the -k7 kernel...which worked fairly well
[05:05] (jdub/#ubuntu) bagpuss: weird
[05:05] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: it's still a Debian system under the hod.  It's a totally familiar envirronment to me once I have a shell on it :)
[05:06] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: yeah.  Windows had even more problems installing to it
[05:06] <pdaoust> hope I'm not annoying anyone by asking this question (don't know if there's some FAQ that addresses this directly), but do packages in hoary ever get backported to warty? More specifically, can we expect to see Firefox 1.0 in warty ever?
[05:06] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I'm an experienced Debian user - if you insist on concealing the *purpose* of the instructions, then no - I absolutely will not -- I'm trying to understand, not follow instructions like a monkey :-)
[05:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) pdaoust: no
[05:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) pdaoust: warty is stable and released and done. security and major bugfix updates only.
[05:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: dude, sheesh
[05:06] <pdaoust> jdub: righto; that's what I figured
[05:06] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) jdub: I suspect most of the problems were hardware related (except the hal fubar)
[05:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: it explains it int he comment!
[05:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: you want to reconfigure your x server, here's why it's breaking, read the comment and go
[05:07] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to get an explanation of what md5sum's have to do with anything -- really
[05:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) pdaoust: next release in april (preview in march)
[05:07] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss did it work for you?
[05:07] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: did what?
[05:08] <pdaoust> jdub: that's disappointing, because I tried upgrading to Firefox 1.0 today, and somehow borked X... or maybe GDM... or maybe GTK... whatever happened, when I rebooted, I got the little X-shaped mouse pointer and...nothing else.
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss: I thought you were trying to update your packages?
[05:08] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: please read the comment in the file, it quite clearly explains why you'd run the commands it gives you
[05:08] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I guess I don't understand that comment fully then :-/
[05:08] <pdaoust> jdub: I like these six-month release thingies; it feeds us upgrade junkies ;)
[05:08] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: you do get that I've already run the dpkg-reconfigure command, yes?
[05:08] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: nah.  the upgrade path will be fine, I'm sure.  It's the installer I'm worried about
[05:08] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: yes, and the comment explains why it doesn't work for you, and how to fix it
[05:08] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss: ah okay then... I'll zip up
[05:08] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i am giving you directions to fix your problem
[05:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: i'm not going to re-explain what the comment in that file already does
[05:09] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: alright, fine - I will run whatever I can glean from the comments without understanding what the hell I'm doing, and why :-)
[05:09] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: I told you I don't understand the comment :-)
[05:09] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) I have high hopes.  Once there's a decent BTS, it should all get easier :)
[05:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: you wishy-washily implied it
[05:10] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: ?
[05:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[05:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) # again, run the following commands as root:
[05:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) 
[05:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) is that unclear?
[05:11] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) oh
[05:12] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) it's telling you to update the md5sum so dpkg doesn't whine about it having changed?
[05:13] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: are these instructions functionally equivalent to editing the file, then running dexconf, or is that a completely different matter?
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) oh man
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) dude
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) come on
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) run the following commands as root:
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) #
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) #   cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) #   md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[05:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) #   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) 
[05:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) see how it says "run these commands as root"?
[05:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) do that
[05:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) ...
[05:14] <Tsjoklat> want a cookie bagpuss?
[05:14] <aitrus> deep breaths....
[05:14] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ah
[05:14] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) not dpkg then, dexconf
[05:14] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: actually I understand the 'what', I just don't understand the 'why'...
[05:15] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: but I'll do it anyway, cos you've been so persistant ;-)
[05:15] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: so your reconfiguration will work
[05:15] (jdub/#ubuntu) otherwise it ignores it
[05:15] (jdub/#ubuntu) because the file is changed
[05:15] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Xenguy: because the mechanism for automatically writign that file assumes that if you've changed it, then it isn't allowed to touch it.  It checks to see if you've changed it by comparing the current md5sum with the md5sum it has stored in /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum.  If they don't match, it won't touch the file
[05:16] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: but 'why' will it work?  (you are a bit like the high-school math teacher who said, just do 'this' and it will work, without really explaining 'why'
[05:16] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) this shouldn't be hard to understand.  Perhaps something in the documentation or somesuch is lacking
[05:16] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) bagpuss: ahhhh
[05:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) sometimes it
[05:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it's not the documentation
[05:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) sometimes, it's PEBKAC
[05:16] <Gwildor> bonobo, restrictedformats Gwildor
[05:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) Xenguy: please read the comment!
[05:16] <Gwildor> grrr
[05:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) i will paste it just to be sure
[05:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*
[05:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
[05:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) # package.
[05:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) 
[05:17] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I was very careful not to say that :)
[05:17] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: that's just condescending - please
[05:18] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) documentation has a specific scope, that scope doesn't include why things work, only that they do
[05:19] <Tsjoklat> s0cks?
[05:19] <s0cks> o
[05:19] <s0cks> sorry
[05:19] <s0cks> random
[05:19] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I tend to disagree on that point, but anyway... bagpuss put hir finger on it for me -- SHe simply explained the mechanism, which is what I was looking for (and yes, too damn tired to understand it myself at this hour)
[05:19] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Xenguy: Debian policy (very sensibly) says that if the local admin (in this case you) has changed a configuration file, then it isn't allowed to be touched by the package management system without permission.
[05:19] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) She?!
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> Xenguy: I am the she
[05:20] (gen/#ubuntu) sexcist
[05:20] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) bagpuss: that's a he/she (cos I don't know you that well :-)
[05:20] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ah.  I'm a he :)
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> bagpuss is a he
[05:20] (gen/#ubuntu) I'm not sure what I am
[05:20] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) bagpuss: in that case He, not SHe ;-)
[05:20] <Tsjoklat> gen you are genless
[05:20] (gen/#ubuntu) genderless indeed
[05:21] <Tsjoklat> easier :P
[05:21] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Xenguy: I don't mean to be offensive, but perhaps you need to look at what questions you are asking
[05:21] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i am having a problem with a problem that i must install
[05:21] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it's all about how you approach the situation
[05:21] (Gmail/#ubuntu) /tmp/install.dir.14117/Linux/resource/jre/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:22] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: looks to me like you don't have libstdc++ installed (or perhaps the wrong version)
[05:22] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i do
[05:22] (Gmail/#ubuntu) version 6
[05:22] (Gmail/#ubuntu) do i need to downgrade
[05:22] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: I'm trying to understand 'why' I'm doing stuff, which is usually a good thing.  Apparently I'm a little thick tonight, but hey, at least I'm trying to understand :-)
[05:23] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: ls /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
[05:23] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: that doesn't look like a full comand to me
[05:24] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I can't be held responsible for your poor eyesight
[05:24] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: basically that will tell you if you have the file it wants or not
[05:24] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ssta@shanta:~$ ls /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
[05:24] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ls: /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: No such file or directory
[05:24] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) on THAT system, the file isn't there
[05:26] <binarydigit> how do i set my default web browser to firefox
[05:26] <binarydigit> it seems when i installed mozilla it changed that
[05:26] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) it looks like a suspiciously *exact* filename
[05:26] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i said i don't have it
[05:26] <Tsjoklat> binarydigit: computer prefered aplications
[05:26] <Tsjoklat> desktop preferences sorry
[05:26] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: sorry i didn't see the whole command before
[05:26] <binarydigit> Tsjoklat: it says mozilla firefox there
[05:26] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: where did you get the jre?
[05:27] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: blackdown
[05:27] <binarydigit> but i just clicked on a link in xchat and said open web browser and it opened mozilla
[05:27] <binarydigit> used to open firefox
[05:27] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: looks to me like it's been compiled for a very specific system.
[05:27] <Tsjoklat> binarydigit and it doesn't work?
[05:27] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i know
[05:27] <Tsjoklat> did you change it?
[05:27] <binarydigit> yes
[05:27] <binarydigit> it never was changed
[05:27] (Xenguy/#ubuntu) jdub: anyway, FWIW, I think I starting to grok this a bit more -- thanks for your persistance; I hope I didn't cause you too much stress :-)
[05:27] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: should i mess with the install script?
[05:27] <binarydigit> it was always firefox, but for some reason mozilla is opening links in xchat now
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> did you upgrade xchat?
[05:28] <binarydigit> no
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> check the settings in xchat?
[05:28] <binarydigit> it uses sensible-browser
[05:28] <binarydigit> which i guess is now set to mozilla
[05:28] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: should i email them
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> change that to mozilla
[05:28] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, it looks like the java binary there is linked against a library you don't have.  Unless you can recompile against a library you *do* have, messing with the install script probably won't help
[05:28] <Tsjoklat> see if that works
[05:29] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: so what basicly should i email them
[05:29] <pdaoust> [OT]  has anyone seen the newest Strong Bad e-mail?
[05:29] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: check to see if you got the right version.  I've used blackdown stuff before and never had this problem (although I've not touched blackdown stuff for about a year)
[05:29] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust?
[05:29] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: they only provide one version
[05:30] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: yes?
[05:30] (Gmail/#ubuntu) and its only came out a few weeks ago
[05:30] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust what strong bad e-mail?
[05:30] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I'm pretty sure that I saw a repository for blackdown stuff in the wiki that wasn't the main blackdown one
[05:30] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) in fact, I know I did
[05:30] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: its in the FAQ under Java IIRC
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i know
[05:31] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: bent u een Nederlander?
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Note: The Blackdown debs seem to be slightly out of date.
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) You can find newer blackdown Java debs in this repository
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) You must add this line in /etc/apt/sources.list by hand though, because synaptic doesn't understand this format.
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i installed from the blackdown responory
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust ja
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) which one?
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> en zeg maar je :P
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) the newer one
[05:31] <Tsjoklat> you can say you
[05:31] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) on warty?
[05:31] (Gmail/#ubuntu) hoary
[05:32] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) oh, I dunno about hoary.  Ask one of the bleeding edge merchants about it :)
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> what has me being Dutch have to do with the strong bad e-mail? lol
[05:32] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: heh heh, I'm embarrassed to say I used BabelFish translation: I don't speak Nederlandse myself
[05:32] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: itsbasicly the same
[05:32] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust you whois'd me :P
[05:32] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so i need to find a ms acess database editor, any suggestions?
[05:33] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: Well, partly I was just curious because of the way you spelled your name (that means 'chocolate', right?), and partly because I don't think Strong Bad is popular outside Canada and the United States
[05:33] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: have you tried creating your own package using java-package?
[05:34] <gill> hi y'all!
[05:34] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: it's an online cartoon from the United States; if you grew up in the Eighties, there are a lot of great jokes... cultural references and stuff
[05:34] <Gwildor> i am a newb, and i just have to ask, is things like sed being broken for a few day why hoary is called UNSTABLE?, cause, to me, that is no big thing at all, speccialy since it was only that way for a few days
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust that's correct.. Tjoklat is an Indonesian brand of chocolate sold in the Netherlands
[05:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: no and i am not going to
[05:34] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust ah I see the light.. forgive my ignorance
[05:35] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: ah, cool. Yeah, here in western Canada there are quite a few Nederlanders... some from the Nederlands, some from Indonesia
[05:35] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: it looks to me like you're going to be out of luck with that package you have.  If hoary doesn't have the right libraries, you're pretty screwed
[05:35] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust I am both :) Eurasian
[05:35] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: you can find it at http://www.homestarrunner.com
[05:35] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: cool! so where were you born?
[05:35] <pdaoust> (and where do you live now?)
[05:35] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: and warty does?
[05:35] <gill> quick question - Just installed Ubuntu and its fab, but it didn't automount my NTFS drives - what do i need to edit so that they show up?
[05:35] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust thank you, I'll check it out... Yogjakarta raised in the Netherlands
[05:35] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: I assume so.
[05:36] <pdaoust> wow... sounds like you're well-traveled
[05:36] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: unless you have something else broken
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust living in CA now.. as in the American CA
[05:36] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: how do you like it there?
[05:36] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust quite different... rather be back in OZ lol
[05:36] <pdaoust> :)
[05:36] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: Oz as in Australia? gee whiz, you have travelled
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust I lived in Australia, New Zealand, America and Europe yes
[05:37] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i can install older versions of files
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> hey Rene
[05:37] <Rene_S> Howdy
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> how's ubu treating you as of late?
[05:37] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: and then anything compiled against the newer library will break
[05:37] <Tsjoklat> still having issues?
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust funny site.. thanks for the link
[05:38] <Rene_S> I went back to warty for the time being, testing Codeweavers Crossover Office on it
[05:38] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S you reinstalled ubu totally?
[05:38] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: no problem. It takes a while to get into -- at first I thought, "what is this crap and what's it supposed to be mean?" but eventually the style of humour really grew on me.
[05:39] <pdaoust> hey, does anyone know if FTTP has been on this channel lately? he/she was having problems earlier with GRUB, and I was wondering if they've been dealt with...
[05:39] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i have libstdc++6 install i can ALSO install libstdc++2.10 which has that file i need BUT libstdc++2.10 relies on gcc2.95 and will couse problems
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust I'll give it a whizz :)
[05:39] (Gmail/#ubuntu) and anyway the program is a java one
[05:39] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, Yeah, needed a clean slate.  Made a mess out of my other install with all my mad science experiments
[05:39] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust he/she/it was here earlier and I think the problems got solved... not too sure though
[05:39] (Gmail/#ubuntu) why coundn't they give a jar
[05:39] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: you don't think the java virtual machine is written in java...
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S that's too bad... but you can always re dist-upgrade in april :)
[05:40] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: the virtual machine has to be written in something that compiles to native code!
[05:40] <pdaoust> Tsjoklat: thanks for the info!
[05:40] <Tsjoklat> pdaoust you are most welcome
[05:40] <pdaoust> I think I'm leaving now, folks... gotta go to bed :)
[05:40] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, Of course, for now I need a stable platform, have to start getting productive on my Photography Studio
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S keep me informed about the Codeweavers.. it is something I am considering
[05:41] (Gmail/#ubuntu) lol
[05:41] <ubll> how do I mount a second hard drive correctly?
[05:41] <ubll> I mounted it but the icons show up as feet and i cant open them
[05:41] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, So far I know Office XP works well.  Want to try Photoshop
[05:41] <Tsjoklat> with a hammer and some nails :P
[05:42] <ubll> :D
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I am anxious to find out if MMJB will work myself
[05:42] <Rene_S> I think that Jesus, not sure HD would respond as well to that as he did
[05:42] <Tsjoklat> ubll what second hard drive? you just added a new hd? or an excisting one? dos? nix?
[05:43] <ubll> it's a slave drive I use in Windows. It's fat32, its recognized by Linux as hdb1
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I just saw that movie and I can honestly say: it is the most sick movie ever seen
[05:43] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) ubll: how did you mount it?
[05:43] <ubll> via fstab
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> ubll but it is not mounted you say? as in not showing up?
[05:43] <ubll> it is mounted, but the dir's show up as the gnome foot icon
[05:43] <Rene_S> Yeah when i went to it I walked away from it feeling assaulted and drained
[05:43] <Rene_S> and I am an athiest
[05:44] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) I'm going to bed I think...far too late to be playing 20 questions
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I second to that .. the feelings
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> night bagpuss don't forget your cookies
[05:44] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: but i have a newer version of the vm to the one its look for (to see if i java installed)
[05:44] <ubll> /dev/hdb1  /mnt/media/  vfat  users,rw,auto  0  0
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> hey seek187
[05:44] <seek187> Hi
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> ubll this is mine: /dev/hda2       /windows/D      vfat    noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0
[05:45] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, Now having said that I think as a "Movie" its one of the best on the Subject, and Mel deserves credit for it
[05:45] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how do i extract files from an iso?
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S yes that is true but the movie is just.. in your face wouldn't you agree... reading is one thing but seeing it
[05:45] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: mount it
[05:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ok
[05:46] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mountpoint
[05:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) yeah... i was thinking there MUST be an easier way, but i guess not
[05:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) thanks
[05:46] <Rene_S> Tsjoklat, I think it did what it set out to do, stir up people's "passions".  Rare thing for a movie these days
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> Gmail I think bagpuss went MIA
[05:46] <ubll> tsjoklat thanks i'll try it
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> ubll I hope it'll do the trick for you
[05:47] (Gmail/#ubuntu) MIA???
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> Gmail: Missing In Action
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S I am sort of worried about his next project: Bodicea
[05:47] <gill> anyone wanna take a stab at mounting some NTFS disks in Ubuntu?
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> gill what is the problem?
[05:48] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) what the hell?
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill i did already
[05:48] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) gmail in an independant study of signal/noise of you, the balance came up in favour of noise.
[05:48] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: it's almost 5am here.  I'm going to bed.  If that makes you unhappy/angry/whatever, apply for a full refund.
[05:48] <gill> looks like by default Ubuntu doesn't put mount points in fstab
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill:  need to modify etc/fstab
[05:48] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) mount -t iso9660 -o loop en_ell_dev_edt_aa.iso /mnt/iso
[05:48] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) mount: could not find any device /dev/loop#
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill:  Yep exactly
[05:48] <Ubuntu> gill:  Add it :)
[05:48] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) any suggesions?
[05:49] <s0cks> I am going to custom build an installer using disk druid
[05:49] <s0cks> and maybe work on the graphical installer
[05:49] <Mark1> i know that ubuntu is supposed to come out with updates/upgrades every 6 months
[05:49] <gill> i am just trying to figure the correct entries to add
[05:49] <Ubuntu> gill:  oh i just added em
[05:49] <Ubuntu> gill ill give you mine
[05:49] <Mark1> has anyone done the 6 month upgrade (basically is it worth it)
[05:49] <seek187> Mark1, hoary?
[05:49] <Mark1> or is it basically the exact same as doing sudo apt-get update  / upgrade  ?
[05:49] <s0cks> Mark1 : I wouldn't know just yet.
[05:50] <Mark1> s0cks: thanks, figured i'a at least ask
[05:50] <s0cks> I need to hurry up and get my CD.
[05:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: modprobe loop
[05:50] <Ubuntu> gill:  /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[05:50] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: you can have it as soon as I receive the $1000 you paid!
[05:50] <gill> ahhh cool
[05:50] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: i prepaid
[05:50] <Ubuntu> gill just copy and paste that in there and sudo pico /etc/fstab
[05:50] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) *sigh*
[05:50] <gill> if there is only one volume on the drive, would it be just hda?
[05:50] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: didn't you see that 1k next to ya bed
[05:51] <Ubuntu> gill:  Oh wait your drive could be different
[05:51] <Ubuntu> gill:  how many hds you have?
[05:51] <gill> 2 ntfs drives
[05:51] <gill> 1 partition each
[05:51] <Ubuntu> gill:  2 NTFS?  no ext3?
[05:51] <Ubuntu> for linux?
[05:51] <Ubuntu> or you have 3 hds?
[05:51] <gill> these are my audio drives under XP
[05:51] <gill> 3 hds total
[05:51] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda1       /windows/C      ntfs    ro,noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0
[05:51] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: your problem is that the version of java you have is compiled against a version of libstdc++ you don't have.  I don't know how else to put it.  Your choices are to GET the version it's compiled against,. or get a different java that's compiled against the librtaries you DO have.
[05:52] <Ubuntu> gill:  Ok i have 2
[05:52] <Ubuntu> gill:  1st hd 1st partition is hda1
[05:52] <gill> ahh gotcha
[05:52] <Ubuntu> gill:  just use mine
[05:52] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:   8?
[05:52] (bagpuss/#ubuntu) Gmail: apart from that, I don't know what else to tell you.  I could come do it FOR you.  But at 5am, I'm not doing that for the money you didn't pay me.
[05:52] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  8 is if you want to secure it right?
[05:52] <gill> do i need to create the folders/mnt points in /mnt first?
[05:52] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  I only have just me so i want everyone to have access
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu: yes I got my windows system secured yes
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> gill don't pay attention to that part please
[05:53] <Ubuntu> gill u want it secured?
[05:53] <gill> nah...i am the only user
[05:53] <Ubuntu> gill:  ok then mine is fine
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu: I don't share that drive.. no need to be messing with the system files I say
[05:53] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  And I agree with you if your not a single user
[05:53] <Ubuntu> tsjoklaT:  Thats why we can configure it how we want invidually :)
[05:53] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu: I am the single user but I am a female so by nature I am paranoid :P
[05:54] <gill> will my normal user account still have access to the shares?
[05:54] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh... this blows... i have the whole mells collection of books in iso format LEGALLY and i can't use any of them
[05:54] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) damn microsoft
[05:54] <Tsjoklat> gill: follow Ubuntu's advice :)
[05:56] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: what about the stabs i gave ya
[05:56] <gill> should i create the mnt points in /mnt first?
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> gill yes
[05:56] <Ubuntu> tsjoklat:  New linux images on synaptic?
[05:56] <Ubuntu> im shocked :)
[05:56] <gill> would i need to change the permissions after creating them?
[05:56] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu hamana?
[05:57] <Tsjoklat> Ubuntu what do you mean?
[05:58] <Ubuntu> ?
[05:58] <Ubuntu> oops i thought i was fttp
[05:58] <FTTP> wrong nick :P
[05:58] <FTTP> tsjoklat  I did apply update
[05:58] <FTTP> for synaptic
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> FTTP poadoust was looking for you earlier
[05:58] <FTTP> it said there was new linux image file
[05:58] <Tsjoklat> FTTP ah... all good now again?
[05:59] <FTTP> tsjolat:  How can i check my current version of the image file?
[05:59] <FTTP> tsjolat:  For linux i mean
[05:59] <FTTP> my kernel version i assume?
[05:59] <Tsjoklat> uname -a
[05:59] <icu> Whenever I boot my laptop running a variety of kernels, both precompiled from the repositories or even compile from vanilla kernels. 2.6.7 2.6.8.1 2.6.9 My sound doesn't work. It's a toshiba a70 with an atiixp ixp150 chip. It gives error -13 in dmesg. Anyone know of a solution?
[05:59] <FTTP> tsjoklat:  is that a bug then?
[06:00] <aitrus> that won't tell you whether you ahve the new Ubunutu image or not
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> FTTP it doesn't show up for you?
[06:00] <FTTP> tsjoklaT:  I have the same kernel
[06:00] <FTTP> as the new image file
[06:00] <FTTP> it showed up
[06:00] <Tsjoklat> FTTP I don't quite get your question?
[06:00] <aitrus> cause it is still 2.6.8.1-3 with a different apt version number
[06:00] <FTTP> oh
[06:00] <FTTP> aitrus so its not a bug but a new file?
[06:00] <gill> do i need to log out and back in after editing the fstab file?
[06:01] <aitrus> dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus:  oops............ 16-1
[06:01] <FTTP> doh
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus:  I missed that :)
[06:01] <aitrus> FTTP: it's the same kernel version with a fix
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus is that in the annoucement section?
[06:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: you really need to try the latest ALSA, which is available separately or in 2.6.10-rc2
[06:01] <FTTP> aitrus:  For mailing list i mean?
[06:01] <FTTP> to see what the fixes are
[06:01] <icu> Crimsun: is there a prebuilt package for 2.6.10?
[06:01] <aitrus> FTTP: don't know
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: not in pool, no. I created my own debs a couple nights ago.
[06:02] <FTTP> doesnt hurt to try em :)
[06:02] <FTTP> looks like we are constantly updated
[06:02] <icu> run a source?
[06:02] <aitrus> FTTP: 2.6.8.1-16.1 is the latest, though
[06:02] <FTTP> yep
[06:02] <aitrus> FTTP: it confused me at first as well
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: if you just want to try 2.6.10-rc2, they're in that kernel.
[06:02] <icu> crimsun:  how stable is 2.6.10-rc2 so far?
[06:02] <FTTP> aitrus its a security patch it looks like
[06:02] <aitrus> FTTP: cause i rebooted, and it said i was loading 2.6.8.1-3... and i was like "WTF, mate..."
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) icu: no idea. I use ones from Warty.
[06:03] <FTTP> ok all done :)
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> hit escape?
[06:04] (Gmail/#ubuntu) that will wake him up
[06:04] <Tsjoklat> Gmail I think he went to bed... yelling and farting on him will not wake him up at this time
[06:04] <FTTP> aitrus:  ubuntu should move the sources to bittorrent
[06:05] <FTTP> bandwidth is gonna cost em a fortune
[06:05] <aitrus> FTTP: there is a bittorrent for iso's
[06:05] <FTTP> aitrus i mean for updates + patches
[06:05] <FTTP> since they are a freeos
[06:05] <aitrus> FTTP: does apt support that?  =)
[06:05] <FTTP> aitrus yes..... where does debian get its funding ? :P
[06:06] <FTTP> i mean debian has it like that too
[06:06] <aitrus> FTTP: the homeless
[06:06] <FTTP> and it has alot of users
[06:06] <aitrus> FTTP: that's why there hasn't been an "official" release in so long =)
[06:06] <FTTP> aitrus ubuntu wants a bittorrent client build in
[06:06] <FTTP> :P
[06:06] <FTTP> i dont know what they will use it for tho
[06:06] <FTTP> they should use it for package management
[06:07] <FTTP> would save tons of dough
[06:07] <FTTP> and we all get fast speeds from each other :)
[06:07] <FTTP> problem arises tho after the mad rush
[06:07] (Gmail/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: we will see about that
[06:08] <Tsjoklat> Gmail: suit yourself but it is becoming rather annoying :)
[06:08] (Gmail/#ubuntu) bagpuss: <aitrus> teabag him
[06:08] (Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: is going to kill me
[06:09] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i faked that
[06:09] (Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: didn't really say that
[06:10] <FTTP> i cant wait for hoary official
[06:10] <Tsjoklat> *yawn*
[06:10] <FTTP> this os is working like a dreaM
[06:10] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: only 3 months to go??
[06:10] <FTTP> gmail 6 i thought?
[06:10] <FTTP> anyways
[06:10] (Gmail/#ubuntu) aitrus: told me what it means
[06:10] <FTTP> gmail:  Only problem is grub
[06:11] (Gmail/#ubuntu) i am going to kill him now
[06:11] <FTTP> gmail:  and the bootscreens and stuff
[06:11] <FTTP> needs a little tweaking which will be done for sure :P
[06:11] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: ya alot of the stuff they said will be in hoary is here already
[06:12] (Gmail/#ubuntu) he told me to say something totally sick
[06:12] <aitrus> what??
[06:12] (Gmail/#ubuntu) /silince aitrus
[06:12] (Gmail/#ubuntu) err
[06:13] <FTTP> gmail u using hoary now?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) how do i spell silince
[06:13] <FTTP> im afraid to update to hoary after my bad experiences
[06:13] <FTTP> should i use hoary instead or no?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP:  been from the min the merge has been fished
[06:13] <FTTP> gmail any problems?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) upgrade
[06:13] <FTTP> u recommend it?
[06:13] (Gmail/#ubuntu) as long as you know what you are doing
[06:13] <FTTP> yeah
[06:13] <FTTP> ok
[06:14] <seek187> I like hoary
[06:14] <FTTP> well
[06:14] <FTTP> how do i add hoary?
[06:14] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: sed WAS broken
[06:14] <seek187> But it can break
[06:14] <FTTP> gmail they fixed it tho right?
[06:14] <seek187> Just change warty to hoary in sources.list
[06:14] <seek187> It's fixed
[06:14] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you don't know howto upgrade then its not for ya
[06:14] <FTTP> gmail:  lol
[06:14] <FTTP> gmail:  ill go to hoary :)
[06:14] <FTTP> seek187 ok
[06:15] <FTTP> seek187 where is sources.list?
[06:15] <seek187> or do it in synaptic
[06:15] <FTTP> yep
[06:15] <FTTP> okie
[06:15] <seek187> /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <seek187> then apt-get dist-upgrade or smart upgrade in synaptic
[06:16] <NewNick> HOARY have FGLRX drivers yet?
[06:16] <seek187> NewNick, they don't work with xorg
[06:16] (Gmail/#ubuntu) FTTP: hoary is not for you
[06:16] <Mark1> quit
[06:16] <NewNick> are the developers working on them or are we all screwed ?:P
[06:16] <seek187> ATI I guess is coming out with them in december
[06:16] <NewNick> icic
[06:16] (Gmail/#ubuntu) things brake and you don't know howto fix them
[06:17] <seek187> they better anyway :/
[06:17] <NewNick> It sucks that I cant use 3d rendering with WARTY cause fglrx thinks im using a 9500 generic when I have a 9700 pro
[06:17] <NewNick> anyone know why?
[06:18] <Rene_S> Dear ATI Users, We are sorry we didnt care enough to make your drivers, may we suggest Nvidia as a Quality Alternative ?  Thanks ATI Management
[06:18] <FTTP> Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[06:18] <FTTP> do i need to reboot?
[06:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh
[06:18] <NewNick> Rene_S: lol
[06:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) FTTP: The only time you need to reboot is when you want to use a new kernel
[06:18] <FTTP> ok
[06:18] <FTTP> i just refreshed
[06:19] <FTTP> now it works
[06:19] <FTTP> guess thats normal
[06:19] <seek187> yup have to reload
[06:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yes
[06:19] <Rene_S> What I like is when you reload all fine and then it doesnt dl anything due to overuse
[06:19] <seek187> lol
[06:20] <seek187> haven't had that happen yet
[06:20] <Rene_S> I did on Official Debian servers last week
[06:20] <FTTP> oh no
[06:20] <FTTP> it needs 60 megs free?
[06:20] <FTTP> for all the updates?
[06:20] <Rene_S> the one i picked was congested
[06:20] <seek187> it's going to update every package on your system.
[06:20] <FTTP> errr 60 gig
[06:20] <seek187> 60 gig?!
[06:21] <FTTP> seek187:  nevermind, its 60 megs, my hd is 60 gig
[06:21] <seek187> lol
[06:22] <FTTP> seek187:  problem arises if due to updates i cant get into my system
[06:22] <FTTP> then i have to reinstall warty :P
[06:22] <seek187> brb, my dsl is going screwy
[06:23] <Rene_S> whoops hit the wrong button
[06:24] <seek187> hmm I can't connect to the ubuntu forums
[06:25] <seek187> oh well
[06:27] <Rene_S> Aside from Xmms what else is a decent music player that  i can use in Ubuntu ?
[06:27] (crimsun/#ubuntu) rhythmbox, muine, totem-xine, alsaplayer, etc.
[06:28] <Rene_S> I like xine based ones the best
[06:28] <Rene_S> I guess I can use Rythmbox its already installed
[06:29] <scoon> well its late here,
[06:29] <scoon> good nite all.
[06:30] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ni
[06:34] <FTTP> dang
[06:34] <FTTP> hoary takes this long?
[06:34] <FTTP> hundreds of files
[06:34] <Rene_S> 575 or so
[06:35] <FTTP> its gonna take till tomorrow
[06:35] <FTTP> well i download quick at 5mBPS
[06:35] <FTTP> but now its installing
[06:36] <FTTP> is hoary much different?
[06:36] <Rene_S> Xorg
[06:36] <FTTP> other than xorg?
[06:36] <FTTP> or thats it
[06:36] <Rene_S> think there beta testing Gnome as well
[06:36] <FTTP> i mean significant changes
[06:36] <FTTP> it got added today?
[06:37] <Rene_S> there are some 2.9 packages
[06:37] <FTTP> kewl
[06:37] <FTTP> is xorg any noticably different?
[06:37] <Rene_S> Not really
[06:37] <FTTP> hmm
[06:37] <Rene_S> some people say its faster
[06:37] <Rene_S> I have never tested it to find out
[06:38] <Rene_S> I think down the road there will be significant changes to Xorg but for now I cant notice the difference
[06:40] <FTTP> rene:  will my nvidia drivers still be there?
[06:40] <FTTP> or do i have to redownload/reupdate em?
[06:41] <FTTP> hoary is ready
[06:41] <FTTP> have to reboot or no?
[06:41] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) did you download a new kernel?
[06:41] <dasenjo> Hi, how are you? .. Im tyring to use Hoary with UTF-8, but I have to use ,, in Spanish .. I cant use it in OO .. any suggestions ?'
[06:41] <FTTP> i guess
[06:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) nvidia drivers work with xorg
[06:42] (jdub/#ubuntu) there is a minor kernel revision in hoary
[06:42] <FTTP> agrajag:  Hoary = new kernel?
[06:42] <FTTP> ok
[06:42] <FTTP> ill reboot
[06:42] <FTTP> brb
[06:42] (jdub/#ubuntu) worth rebooting anyway
[06:42] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) FTTP: well, yes or no? If you did, then you should reboot to use the new kernel. If not, then there is no need
[06:44] <Rene_S> I hope he downloaded all of xorg
[06:44] <Rene_S> i had a slight problem when i upgraded once
[06:48] <Chibi> Hmmm. :/
[06:48] <Rene_S> Hummmm
[06:49] (gen/#ubuntu) tp
[06:49] (Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf Rene_S
[06:50] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) what package is gnome-screenshot a part of?
[06:50] <Rene_S> wtf what ?
[06:50] (Gmail/#ubuntu) wtf,wtf what
[06:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: it's moved from panel to utils
[06:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: there has not been a release of utils
[06:51] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) jdub, ah, ok then, thanks mate
[06:51] <Rene_S> wtf, wtf wtf what is going on wtf
[06:52] <Rene_S> I think we exhausted the WTF category here on Ubuntu Jeapordy
[06:54] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) jdub, what is the command line to take a screenshot?
[06:54] <Tsjoklat> gimp file acquire
[06:55] <Tsjoklat> brb phone
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: that's it, but it's not on your system
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: you can also use xwd or other programs
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) gimp
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) yada
[06:56] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) import -window root screen.png
[06:56] (stuNNed/#ubuntu) Agrajag, that's it, thanks
[07:04] <mass> hello; does ubuntu support creationg of and installation onto software raid?
[07:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[07:04] <mass> are there any tricks to it, or is it a gui installer option?
[07:05] <mass> (I'm planning on doing it .. well, I was planning on tonight, but being 11 pm, that seems silly)
[07:08] <FTTP> hoary is nice
[07:08] <FTTP> no big problems
[07:08] <FTTP> too many games tho
[07:09] <FTTP> installed on default
[07:09] <FTTP> :P
[07:09] <FTTP> i would have cut down on some stuff
[07:09] <FTTP> and made it available on apt-get
[07:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) they're all in the same package
[07:09] <Rene_S> Well its a long way till final release
[07:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) it will be dealt with, howeer
[07:09] <Rene_S> things change
[07:09] <FTTP> jdub:  they planning on trimming the app count down?
[07:10] <FTTP> jdub:  takes up unwanted space for some....
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) i want to fix the overloaded games menu
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) the other menus are fine
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) system tools needs love
[07:10] <FTTP> jdub:  Yep
[07:10] <FTTP> jdub:  You work for ubuntu?
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) but most of these issues are just synced-with-debian-new-bugs problems
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[07:10] (jdub/#ubuntu) (work for canonical on ubuntu)
[07:11] <FTTP> ahhh
[07:11] <FTTP> jdub:  Not that there is anything wrong with all those games
[07:11] <FTTP> but it kinda takes up alot of space
[07:11] <FTTP> if i want those games i could apt get em
[07:11] <Rene_S> I want the services-admin thing back
[07:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) they're very small games
[07:11] <FTTP> agrajag no i mean screenspace
[07:11] <FTTP> menu looks cluttered
[07:11] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh?
[07:11] (jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: the games menu is very long
[07:11] <cef_work> is there a graphical partitioning utility in warty, and I'm just missing it?
[07:12] (jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: no
[07:12] <cef_work> jdub: cool.. no problem
[07:12] <FTTP> jdub:  those who want all the games will be able to get em :)
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) ok guys
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) whoever takes care of these new gnus/erc packages
[07:12] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: they're in the same package
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) be they debian or ubuntu
[07:12] (erik/#ubuntu) I love you, a lot
[07:12] <FTTP> jdub:  oh i see
[07:12] <cef_work> jdub: mainly want it so I can repartition/reformat my 500GB USB removable.
[07:12] <FTTP> gnome games right?
[07:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: cfdisk is nice :)
[07:13] <FTTP> jdub:  the games doesnt really bother me, just seems like the list is long and cluttered
[07:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) it's just long, dude
[07:13] <FTTP> yep
[07:13] <cef_work> jdub: heh yup. btw: if a removable is ntfs, it doesn't automount.. *8-(
[07:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) problem is known
[07:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) it will be dealt with
[07:14] <FTTP> jdub:  hoary is nice
[07:14] <FTTP> jdub:  I like it alot
[07:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) cef_work: mmm, pretty sure there's a bug filed about that
[07:14] <cef_work> hoary would be really nice if when I upgraded it didn't decide to leave me without a working kernel *8-(
[07:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: are there plans to automount internal hard disks?
[07:15] <Rene_S> hehe i had that happen to me too
[07:15] <FTTP> jdub:  On installation tho the bootscreen login is too small
[07:15] <FTTP> the text comes out as tiny
[07:15] <cef_work> Rene_S: tis not fun
[07:15] <Rene_S> first time i did the hoary thing i messed up something or wasnt paying attention and poof had to reinstall from scratch
[07:16] <Rene_S> turned out i missed an error message and the kernel didnt get installed
[07:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: kind of
[07:16] <FTTP> jdub:  ubuntu just needs a little cleaning up around the rough edges
[07:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: if you have bugs, file them
[07:16] <FTTP> jdub:  Is that a bug tho?
[07:17] <Ruffian|Q|> Ubuntu is nice, too nice, its soooooooo boring.  I love it though
[07:17] <FTTP> jdub:  i like the fact that gnome and ubuntu are close :)
[07:17] <FTTP> ubuntu keeps showing off the best of gnome
[07:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Ruffian|Q|: upgrading to hoary otta shut you up :-P
[07:17] <FTTP> came out with warty with gnome 2.8
[07:18] <Ruffian|Q|> GammaRay, Im afraid!
[07:18] <FTTP> really nice start :)
[07:18] <Rene_S> I like the fact that Ubuntu is boring, leaves me time to learn some of the 10 000 other apps kicking around
[07:18] <FTTP> jdub i must say linux really has grown up
[07:18] <FTTP> i remember those distros where window sizing was all off
[07:18] <FTTP> like i would load these apps and the windows would be out of place
[07:19] <FTTP> gnome makes everything nice and neat
[07:19] <deFrysk> am I in #buttkiss ?
[07:19] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deFrysk: nah.. it's #ubuttkiss
[07:20] <deFrysk> GammaRay, righto ;)
[07:21] (Telep/#ubuntu) lol
[07:22] (erik/#ubuntu) download some Electric Six instead!  new single on their website
[07:22] <cryptomatt> does ubuntu support the intel 845 GL motherboard??
[07:22] (erik/#ubuntu) speaking of music -
[07:22] (erik/#ubuntu) is there any way to eject my ipod from ubuntu's gnome2.8?
[07:23] (erik/#ubuntu) I can unmount it but you need to send it a SCSI eject for it to be undockable
[07:23] <cef_work> this should be funny.. 500GB of ext3 goodness on a USB2 removable
[07:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) speaking of unmounting.. is it safe to just pull out a flash card?
[07:24] (erik/#ubuntu) GammaRay: if you're 100% sure it's not being written to, yeah
[07:24] (erik/#ubuntu) but it's not recommended
[07:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's just sooo neat when the windows disappear for you (-:
[07:25] (erik/#ubuntu) heh
[07:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) but if I could find some way to mount it ro...
[07:25] (erik/#ubuntu) man pmount
[07:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I format all my flash cards in my camera anyways
[07:26] (erik/#ubuntu) actually
[07:26] (erik/#ubuntu) i don't think pmount CAN ro
[07:26] (erik/#ubuntu) that's surprising
[07:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) but how would I just change the options it's automounted under?
[07:28] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i keep trying to unzip zip files and i get an error... something about End-of-central-directory signature not found, what do i do about that?
[07:28] (erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: get a non-damaged zip file?
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) GammaRay: recompile pmount, I guess
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) I don't know where in hotplug pmount is called
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) but if you find it you could insert your own ro-mounter there
[07:29] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) erik: its doing it to many zip files
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: hm, haven't seen it.  maybe they're passworded?
[07:29] (erik/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: you're sure they're .zip and not .gz?
[07:29] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) hmm, maybe
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) lemme check
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) yeah
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) not to insult your intelligence of course :)
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh
[07:30] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) they are all zipped on a windows machine
[07:31] <cef_work> using which zip variant?
[07:31] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) no idea
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) is there a good gnome ipod client yet?
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) gtkpod is useable but the wife isn't impressed
[07:32] <cef_work> outta here
[07:32] (Gmail/#ubuntu) AHHHH anyone know a site to check if it thundering some where?
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) Gmail: weather.com
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) ?
[07:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) rssweather? weatheruground?
[07:32] <deFrysk> weather applet
[07:33] <binarydigit> Gmail: dude you've never once in your life checked the weather online?
[07:33] (Gmail/#ubuntu) no
[07:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) is australia on that site too
[07:34] (Gmail/#ubuntu) the sites very slow
[07:34] <binarydigit> with a name like gmail you would think you would have heard about this great internet website called google that always you to search for anything
[07:35] <Rene_S> eww bslapped in public
[07:35] <binarydigit> er allows*
[07:39] <Ubuntu> that HAL device manager in gnome is horrible
[07:39] <Ubuntu> i know its just a beta
[07:39] <Ubuntu> .release
[07:39] <Ubuntu> but gnome can do better :)
[07:39] <Ubuntu> everything is disorganized
[07:39] <moon> Looking for some help: When I try to use sudo I get: "Sorry, sudo must be setuid root." I've tried `chmod 4111 /usr/bin/sudo` and `chmod a+xs executable` to no avail. Am I missing something?
[07:39] <Ubuntu> ubuntu is definitely very stable
[07:40] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) are there any other unzip programs for ubuntu other than "unzip"?
[07:40] <FTTP> gnome is awesome :)
[07:41] <FTTP> anyone else get that weird black pattern when clicking on mozilla?
[07:41] <FTTP> i mean like a boxshaped
[07:41] <FTTP> i just reported it as a bug
[07:42] <childe> I found the word "Ubuntu" rather difficult to pronounce.
[07:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the mouse pointer seems to flicker when I scroll.. anyone else notice this?
[07:43] <deFrysk> GammaRay, how would I , cant see your screen
[07:43] <moon> Quad: bunzip2, gunzip and many others
[07:43] <FTTP> deFRysk yes u can
[07:43] <FTTP> this is LINUX!
[07:43] <FTTP> we have xservers :)
[07:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deFrysk: I'm asking if you can see your screen :-P
[07:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) childe: I usually say you-bun-2
[07:43] <FTTP> if u enable a login i can see your screen and u can see mine
[07:44] <FTTP> :P
[07:44] <FTTP> anyways
[07:44] <FTTP> no flicker on scroll
[07:44] <deFrysk> yuh buh tuh
[07:44] <FTTP> on xchat
[07:44] <FTTP> where are u seeing the flicker?
[07:44] <childe> It seems that the official pronounciation is "OO BOON TOO"
[07:45] <FTTP> does ubuntu come with a firewall?
[07:45] <FTTP> enabled on default?
[07:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) childe: oh boone(as in pat) 2?
[07:45] <childe> I don't know :-( I wonder waht's the sound of "OO"
[07:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: no firewall..
[07:46] <FTTP> gammaray we need one
[07:46] <FTTP> by default
[07:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: but there are also no open ports
[07:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) cd ..
[07:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) by default
[07:46] <FTTP> gammaray oh so it has the equivalent of windows xp2 firewall?
[07:46] <FTTP> err i mean sp2
[07:46] <FTTP> can we open ports?
[07:47] <FTTP> i mean in gui
[07:47] <childe> Why not just call it "Human Linux"?
[07:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really.. it's not a firewall.. all the software has just been configured to not open ports on eth0
[07:47] <childe> And, at least put an official pronounceation on the official web page.
[07:48] <FTTP> gammaray:  Windows isnt really a firewall either in sp2
[07:48] <FTTP> it blocks ports unless u checkmark em to open em and u can manually add em
[07:48] <FTTP> gammaray  im sure that will be worked on :)
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is no blocking involved.. the ports are not open in the first place
[07:49] <FTTP> just a barebones config like sp2
[07:49] <FTTP> gammaray oh
[07:49] <FTTP> gammaray so if i wanted to use those ports i would have to delve into text and configure it right?
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic you have to configure cups to listen to the net yourself
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ie
[07:49] <FTTP> gotcha
[07:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) so yea
[07:50] <FTTP> it needs to be a little better in that regards
[07:50] <FTTP> u know ubuntu could make money by selling ad space on the apt-get servers
[07:50] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) actually.. thanks to ubuntu I finially got familar w/ cups config files
[07:51] <FTTP> theres gotta be a profit way for ubuntu and keep open source at the same time
[07:51] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: because ubuntu is such a wonderful word :)
[07:51] <FTTP> ubuntu got 10 mil....... but it can easily be eaten up
[07:51] <FTTP> software should be free i agree
[07:51] <FTTP> but....... ubuntu needs to make money somehow :)
[07:51] <FTTP> to support it
[07:52] <childe> jdub: Yes it's cool. Usually I just call it "UB".
[07:52] <childe> U B Linux.
[07:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I have been wondering about where Canonical is planning to moke money
[07:52] <FTTP> gammaray:  There are ways
[07:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: see the front page of the website :)
[07:52] <FTTP> google is free
[07:53] <FTTP> gammaray:  Not that i want ads in my linux tho :P
[07:53] <FTTP> gammaray:  so i dunno
[07:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: mandrake has ads during the install.. not a real big deal
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> I renamed my cat to ubu
[07:54] <childe> Will Ubuntu go to server market?
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> that how much I love ubu
[07:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: ubuntu is not a desktop-only OS at all
[07:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: it just happens to be a very good one :)
[07:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: paid support?
[07:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) GammaRay: yes
[07:55] <childe> "Ubuntu is a complete desktop Linux operating system," From the official site.
[07:55] <FTTP> jdub:  Its as stable as debian even in hoary.............
[07:55] <childe> Does that mean it's desktop-only?
[07:55] <FTTP> jdub:  i tried many distributions which would crash on me
[07:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) childe: not exclusively, not at all :)
[07:56] <FTTP> no stability issues, just cosmetic and some smaller scale issues..... needs polish, and a little work
[07:57] <FTTP> gammaray interesting
[07:57] <FTTP> i also find it interesting cannocal is based in isle of man
[07:57] <FTTP> tax haven :)
[07:58] <childe> I'm going to reboot and instlall Ubuntu. God bless me.
[07:58] <volvoguy> bless you childe
[07:59] <FTTP> "By locating websites in the Isle of Man to carry out functions previously based in high-tax jurisdictions such as sales and marketing, treasury management, supply of financial services, and most of all, the supply of digital goods such as music, video, training, software etc, businesses can take advantage of low rates of taxation for increasingly substantial parts of their operation."
[07:59] <FTTP> digital good <hint hint>  ubuntu!
[08:00] <FTTP> oh it said software specifically
[08:00] <FTTP> heh
[08:00] <volvoguy> man, i should move there.
[08:00] <FTTP> taxes are irrelevant if you dont make money tho
[08:00] <volvoguy> oh. crap. nevermind then.
[08:00] <FTTP> heh
[08:02] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I love the word based
[08:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) they arn't located there, they are based there
[08:03] <FTTP> gammaray right
[08:04] <FTTP> gammaray it seems as though the government gives alot of perks, so shuttleworth maxed out his 10 mil investment
[08:04] <FTTP> smart move cause he will get the most out of it
[08:04] <FTTP> good for us :)
[08:04] <FTTP> free DSL connections, blah blah
[08:05] <FTTP> im reading about all the incentives to get business there
[08:05] <FTTP> 40% building grants
[08:05] <FTTP> sounds really good place to start a business like this
[08:08] <Mestapheles> does nayone know the lackage name to uninstall the gnome scree saver?  I'm going back in the undo as it causes system freezes.
[08:09] <moon> Sorry, sudo must be setuid root: FIX:  There was a problem with my options for / in the /etc/fstab entry. Setting it to defaults seems to have fixed the problem. In case anyone is asked again.
[08:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) well I've looked at the source of pmount and it's simple enough to change the options..
[08:30] <cerebrix> how do i check to see if the module i just modprobed is loaded?  i think i just loaded the module for my soundcard but im not sure
[08:30] <Mestapheles> lsmod
[08:31] <Mestapheles> at least I can try to help if I'm not to recieve any
[08:32] <cerebrix> hmm i see it there, shouldnt i be able to run alsamixer now?
[08:32] <Mestapheles> that'l bring a list of modules, find yours and look at the right to see if "any processes have it running".  "0" is not good
[08:32] <cerebrix> snd_ice1724            37444  0
[08:33] <Mestapheles> I don't think it's loaded.
[08:33] <Mestapheles> did you "sudo update-modules"?
[08:33] <cerebrix> no should i?
[08:33] <Mestapheles> after the modprobe
[08:33] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) huh
[08:33] <Mestapheles> yes
[08:33] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) if it's listed in lsmod, then yes, it's loaded
[08:34] <cerebrix> http://www.pastebin.com/121346
[08:35] <Mestapheles> perhaps but glxgears don't show Accel for my r128 if it doesn't show a 1 or 2.  In fact, yes, I've seen it listed in lsmod and had not Accel
[08:36] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: as it says, that shows whats using that module... just means you were missing something else...
[08:37] <Mestapheles> isn't that the point of his question?
[08:37] <cerebrix> i just wanna play a cd =p
[08:38] <Mestapheles> not only is he intersted in if it is loaded but if it is performing and/or going to perform.
[08:38] <cerebrix> so assuming i just did the modprobe
[08:38] <punkass> anyone using ubuntu as a server?
[08:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[08:38] <cerebrix> which i did with sudo /sbin/modprobe snd_ice1724
[08:38] <punkass> is there an easy way to install it minus X etc
[08:38] <cerebrix> what would the next step be?
[08:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: saying ' "0" is bad' is very misleading...
[08:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: stick in the install cd, type 'custom' at the boot prompt
[08:38] <Mestapheles> was for me
[08:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: that'll install base only
[08:39] <punkass> jdub: excellent thanks
[08:39] (trey`/#ubuntu) jdub: now ya tell me  8)
[08:39] <Mestapheles> perhaps I should have written "can be bad but not necessarily"
[08:39] <[Siff] > who wants to help me set my default run level so i will boot to a vga console and not boot directly into X?
[08:40] (erik/#ubuntu) anyone use ubuntu's emacs21 with pcvs?  It seems to not work right when you commit a change ... it writes messages to the wrong place on the screen and sets the source buffers to "changed on disk" when it updates the $Id$
[08:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) [Siff] : apt-get remove --purge gdm
[08:40] <punkass> jdub: i may be setting up ubuntu using ltsp sometime soon aswell
[08:40] <cerebrix> ok just did sudo update-modules
[08:40] <cerebrix> next thing i should do is?
[08:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: its never bad... not having whatever is using your r128 module loaded is however bad for you...
[08:40] <[Siff] > i should assert that i only want to do it temporarily, sorry
[08:41] <punkass> should make for an interesting project
[08:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : remove the symlink *gdm from /etc/rcS.d/
[08:41] <Mestapheles> but while we're being pedantic trey, why tell me what package I need to name to uninstall screen savers as they buggy and cause system freezes on my mac
[08:41] <Chibi> You can re-install gdm when you're done. :P
[08:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: let me know how it goes
[08:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) [Siff] : then don't use --purge ;)
[08:41] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: dpkg -P xscreensaver
[08:41] <Mestapheles> thanks
[08:41] <punkass> jdub: will do...i have fc2 running it right now..and would like to be rid of it
[08:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : sorry.. it's in /etc/rc2.d/
[08:42] (trey`/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: -P == --purge...
[08:43] <Mestapheles> k I'll have to submit a bug report.  Man having to hard reboot drives me nuts
[08:43] <cerebrix> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[08:44] <Mestapheles> and yes it's "re-doable"
[08:44] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: Thanks, it is kinda cold in here  8)
[08:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) [Siff] : you can then restore it w/ update-rc.d gdm defaults
[08:46] <punkass> cerebrix: u running on a laptop?
[08:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) boy I wish update-rc.d was as nice as chkconfig
[08:46] <cerebrix> no its an amd64 desktop 686 kernel
[08:46] <punkass> hmm ok
[08:47] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: chkconfig would be overkill for a debian system... try rcconf though...
[08:47] <Mestapheles> oh and trey' when I finally got those other things working the module did have register a diff number.  But I'll read into what that means.  Thanks for the info.
[08:47] <cerebrix> im really new to linux and have really used a command line based os in line 10 years so im a bit lost heh
[08:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mestapheles: probably worth just removing the xscreensaver-gl package and rss-glx
[08:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) boh
[08:47] <cerebrix> havent used a command line os in 10 years i mean
[08:49] (trey`/#ubuntu) cerebrix: makes so many things so much easier when you don't have to click 20 times to do what you wanted...
[08:49] (trey`/#ubuntu) cerebrix: half the time, I forget around the 10th click  :(
[08:49] <cerebrix> trey': its funny, i was telling my friend yesterday i think using windows made me stupid.  its like minesweeper on a much larger scale
[08:53] <cerebrix> oh btw is it a good idea to update off of the universe config in synaptic?  i noticed in the scope of the faq that it says to update before doing that.  just wondering if that will break anything
[08:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: what do you mean? "Update off the universe config" ?
[08:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: update just refreshes the package list, upgrade upgrades them afterwards
[08:57] <cerebrix> ahh then is it ok to download all upgrades for what i already have from the universe repository?
[08:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) of course
[08:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cerebrix: do you still have warty?
[08:58] <punkass> is there a way for hotplug to detect if a nic cable is plugged in or removed?
[08:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) cerebrix: if you're using warty, there's no overlap between main and universe/multiverse
[08:58] <cerebrix> ok just checking, heh 9 days using linux and this is the farthest ive gotten to having a stable install so i dont wanna mess it up heh
[08:58] <punkass> or does it already do that and thats just a silly question
[08:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: not yet
[08:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: hotplug doesn't do that, other tools do
[08:59] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: people are working on a program that does that
[08:59] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) I wouldn't want anything to happen if I unplug my cable *pokes shoddy cable at home*
[08:59] <punkass> hmm..ok cuz i noticed that /var/log/messages(i think thats the one) shows an event
[09:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: there are programs that use those events -- and they'll probably ready for hoary
[09:00] <punkass> well i just would be nice say if a user had a laptop, and could just grap a nic cable and jam it in...
[09:00] <punkass> cool
[09:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: google for 'networkmanager ubuntu'
[09:02] <deFrysk> why does btdownloadgui use so much cpu (like 80%)
[09:03] (erik/#ubuntu) because it is garbage?  just use btdownloadheadless in screen :)
[09:03] <calc> use the curses one :)
[09:03] (erik/#ubuntu) I find the curses one crashes
[09:03] <calc> or headless i guess
[09:03] (erik/#ubuntu) in screen
[09:03] <deFrysk> thats not an answer
[09:04] <calc> erik: usually works for me, never seen it crash at least
[09:04] (erik/#ubuntu) deFrysk: probably "because it updates its gui in a wasteful manner"
[09:04] (erik/#ubuntu) calc: maybe it was just the one old version I used
[09:04] <calc> deFrysk: never used the gui one since it wouldn't run in screen
[09:04] <punkass> Treenaks: so there already is a package for it eh..or the source at least
[09:04] <calc> i stick to apps that run in screen :)
[09:04] (erik/#ubuntu) I was raped .. by Mr. Mesphistopheles
[09:04] <calc> mutt/vim/irssi/btdownloadcurses, etc
[09:05] <deFrysk> calc, smae me keing in the settings , like max_uploadblah and minportblah
[09:05] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: there are packages, hey don't work very well yet though
[09:05] <deFrysk> saves me
[09:05] <punkass> i use azureus for bt's
[09:05] <punkass> ah ok
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) I need BT clients that run on disconnected-from-my-input machines
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) cause you know
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) I'm not gonna sit there and watch it
[09:05] (erik/#ubuntu) :p
[09:05] <deFrysk> azereus needs the latest jave wich crashes my browser
[09:05] <Mesphistopheles> hwy Trey': xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl both have ubuntu-desktop as deps.  So how am I supposed to get rid of the buggy screensaver?
[09:06] (erik/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: you can remove ubuntu-desktop with no ill side-effects, it's just a metapackage
[09:06] <Mesphistopheles> I can't even select to turn it off in gui or else it freezes
[09:06] <deFrysk> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package name
[09:06] <deFrysk> can be removed safely
[09:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: leave xscreensaver
[09:06] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: remove xscreensaver-gl and rss-glx
[09:06] <Mesphistopheles> but won't that leave me w/o a desktop enviro?
[09:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) no
[09:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage
[09:07] <Mesphistopheles> cool
[09:07] (jdub/#ubuntu) it doesn't actually do anything
[09:07] (erik/#ubuntu) it exists only to force other packages to install
[09:07] <Mesphistopheles> oh you mean a ...
[09:07] <Mesphistopheles> place holder
[09:08] (erik/#ubuntu) go take a look at its dependencies
[09:08] <Mesphistopheles> I don't know what rss-glx is off to synaptic to find out
[09:08] (jdub/#ubuntu) more gl screensavers
[09:08] <punkass> jdub: is there a way to tell if my order of cds have been shipped?
[09:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) gl screensavers rock :)
[09:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) especially the bouncing cow ;)
[09:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: log in to shipit
[09:09] (erik/#ubuntu) heh
[09:09] <punkass> yeah i did but it just looked the same
[09:09] <mojo> Treenaks: can u pls tell me the website for j2sdk1.5 debian?
[09:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[09:09] <Mesphistopheles> yah they freeze my gui, that's how they rock
[09:09] <punkass> just curious..cuz it said orders before nov12 were sent and mine was placed a few weeks ago
[09:10] <mojo> Treenaks: thx, you rock
[09:11] <Gnobody> how do I get the gnome services panel back in hoary?
[09:11] (erik/#ubuntu) services?
[09:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: services panel? what do you mean?
[09:12] <Gnobody> it was a gui tool that allowed me to choose which services linux would start up with
[09:12] <Gnobody> ?
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: type man update-rc.d in a terminal
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: or just remove the service using dpkg --purge
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: but that'll remove it completely
[09:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: and you really want most daemons that start on boot
[09:13] <punkass> jdub: is there someone i can mail to make sure my order wasnt missed  or something?
[09:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: log into the shipit thing -- you'll see if it has been shipped
[09:14] <punkass> no it hasnt..but i had ordered them like 3 weeks ago..and it said that orders before nov12 were shipped
[09:14] <punkass> so i just wanted to double check
[09:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: well, it might come in the next batch or something?
[09:14] <[Siff] > [noob] how do i install kernel sources?[/noob] 
[09:14] <punkass> ok..ill be patient..:)
[09:16] <Mesphistopheles> thanks guys
[09:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: have you logged in to shipit?
[09:16] <punkass> yeah i just did
[09:16] <punkass> and it looks the same as when i orginally ordered them
[09:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: did it say "order shipped on ..." ?
[09:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) there should be a little box at the top
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) where's the option for emacs-style keybindings in GTK?
[09:17] <punkass> jdub: nope all i see is: Please review and update the following information and then logout when finished. etc
[09:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: not visible in the ui
[09:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) punkass: when did you order them?
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: O_o I could have sworn I saw it before
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) time to dig in gconf I suppose
[09:17] <punkass> probably like 3 weeks ago
[09:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: it was removed from 2.8
[09:17] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: curses
[09:18] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: is it a gconf thing? or .gtkrc?
[09:20] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: it's in gconf
[09:20] <Gnobody> how do I enable composites in x.org 6.8.1
[09:20] <Gnobody> with render acceleration
[09:20] <Gnobody> and GLX
[09:20] <Gnobody> ?
[09:21] <Gnobody> what do I add to my xorg.conf
[09:21] <Gnobody> ?
[09:21] (crimsun/#ubuntu) http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xcompmgr/
[09:21] <punkass> jdub: shoSection "Extensions"
[09:21] <punkass>         Option        "Composite"        "Enable"
[09:21] <punkass> EndSection
[09:21] <punkass> oops
[09:22] <punkass> Gnobody: use that minus the "jdub: sho" part
[09:22] <Mesphistopheles> hey erik an jdub removing th -gl and the rss-glx seems to have solved it.  At lest so far as I'm in the screensaver app right no with no ill effects seeing he remainding screensavers.  How did u guys know those packages where problematic over the one still left?
[09:22] <Mesphistopheles> XFlame is coool
[09:22] <punkass> cuz they are extra smart
[09:22] (erik/#ubuntu) I didn't claim to know :)
[09:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) Mesphistopheles: they're gl screensavers. xscreensaver itself doesn't have gl screensavers.
[09:23] <punkass> jdub: so should i just assume all is well with the order and wait it out?
[09:23] <Mesphistopheles> an assumtion on my part as those two were mentioned.  WEll thanks to u too for telling me that ubuntu-desktop was just a place holder
[09:24] <Gnobody> what about render acceleration?
[09:24] <punkass> not sure..im not useing it
[09:24] <Gnobody> and enable glx with composites
[09:24] <Mesphistopheles> what's that jdub?
[09:24] <punkass> all i did was add that to my xorg.conf and install xcompmgr
[09:25] <punkass> and then i had fun shadows that made redrawing pretty slow so i turned it off..
[09:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) punkass: hey, sounds familiar ;)
[09:25] <punkass> yeah..will be cool when it gets there tho
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) use xcompmgr without the shadows
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) it will make redrawing faster than without it
[09:26] <punkass> lots to look forward to in upcoming releases
[09:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: that breaks the panel's panelness for some reason
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) Treenaks: just kill the panel
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) it will start again
[09:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I can move windows over my panel if I have ever run xcompmgr
[09:26] <jose> HII
[09:26] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) and it will be a panel again
[09:26] <punkass> Agrajag: i tried that..it didnt seem to make it faster, just different..
[09:27] <punkass> yeah the windows over panel then is a bit annoying
[09:27] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) well, it's a matter of taste I guess
[09:27] <punkass> that it is
[09:29] <Meshistopheles> there r still probs houstin
[09:32] <nickolas> hi guys! who has ever installed bittorent in Ubuntu?
[09:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: apt-get install bittornado -> done!
[09:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ;)
[09:33] <nickolas> ok i'll try it
[09:34] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) might want bittornado-gui also
[09:35] <nickolas> ok
[09:36] <nickolas> interesting...it tells me that it is installed...but how can  i run it...there is no link in the menu...
[09:37] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) open a torrent file
[09:37] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) in a web browser, or from the file manager
[09:37] <nickolas> ok
[09:40] <nickolas> it's working!!!!! thanks a lot for help!
[09:41] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: good luck :)
[09:42] <nickolas> actually i have another question: i have mldonkey installed...so how do i use it instead of bt? what do u think?
[09:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) nickolas: open a donkey link?
[09:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) no idea
[09:43] <nickolas> mldonkey can also download torrent files... i mean it is more comfortable than bt
[09:44] <nickolas> does anybody use mldonkey?
[09:47] <dkg> hi!
[09:47] <dkg> I wanna use ION as windowmanager in Ubuntu.
[09:47] <dkg> which debian release should I use to mix?
[09:47] <dkg> unstable or testing?
[09:48] <dkg> or is there another/better solution?
[09:48] <nickolas> ok. thanks for helping with bt!!!
[09:49] <Gnobody> how do I enable composites in XFCE 4.2 RC1?
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) dkg: why would you mix a debian release?
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion is in ubuntu
[09:49] <dkg> Agrajag: because its not in ubuntu.
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yes it is
[09:49] <dkg> Agrajag: I just apt-cache searched it.
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion3 - Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) that one?
[09:49] <dkg> yes!
[09:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) dkg: did you add universe and multiverse to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) ion2 - Keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (v2)
[09:49] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) or that
[09:50] <dkg> Treenaks: whatas that?
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) yeah, it's probably in universe
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) dkg: open up /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:50] (stvn/#ubuntu) hm, bonobo has left the building :(
[09:50] <dkg> done.
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) there are instructions
[09:50] <dkg> ic!
[09:50] <dkg> thanks.
[09:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) dkg: look for 'universe' on the web site
[09:50] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you can also add multiverse in after universe for nonfree stuff
[09:52] <dkg> gr8!
[09:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) finally someone says something w/ the number eight in it that I can understand
[09:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) dkg: now which part of aol did you come from :-P
[09:57] <dkg> GammaRay: aol?
[09:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.google.com/search?q=aol
[10:08] <jmhodges> ok, i must be an idiot..
[10:09] <jmhodges> the fs on cd-rw's is iso9660 correct?
[10:10] <jmhodges> and secondly, for some reason my 2nd cd drive isn't getting inserted into Disks
[10:10] <jmhodges> but i can write to it fine (its a cd burner.. plextor )
[10:10] <jmhodges> and the cd's can be read in the other drive..
[10:11] <jmhodges> bah, ignore the fs question.. that was just a red herring
[10:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sorry I don'
[10:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sorry I don't like fish
[10:12] <jmhodges> the dir is also not being created in /media
[10:12] <jmhodges> GammaRay: hehe
[10:14] <maz1977> good morning
[10:14] <jmhodges> hrmph.. getting lots of fs errors about superblocks during an attempted mount in dmesg
[10:15] <jmhodges> cdrom: hdd: mrw address space DMA selected
[10:15] <jmhodges> Unable to identify CD-ROM format.
[10:15] <jmhodges> hmmm..
[10:15] <maz1977> i'd like to know how to change date format...
[10:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) on the panel? from the date cmd?
[10:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: ^
[10:17] <maz1977> gammaray, which panel?
[10:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: I'm just asking which date format you speak of
[10:18] <maz1977> gammaray: in italy we use dd/mm/yy date format not mm/dd/yy
[10:20] <maz1977> change question: how can I set my locale's date format?
[10:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maz1977: LC_TIME maybe
[10:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: you want to set LANG to your locale
[10:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: and LC_MESSAGES to en_US or something if you want English language in programs
[10:21] <maz1977> Treenaks: already set to it_IT.UTF8
[10:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: what does 'locale' say?
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) does the locale exist? (/etc/locale.gen, locale-gen)
[10:22] <maz1977> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:22] <maz1977> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:22] <maz1977> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[10:22] <maz1977> LANG=it_IT.UTF8
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_CTYPE="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_NUMERIC="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_TIME="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_COLLATE="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_MONETARY="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_MESSAGES="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_PAPER="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_NAME="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_ADDRESS="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_TELEPHONE="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: please use pastebin.com
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_MEASUREMENT="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_IDENTIFICATION="it_IT.UTF8"
[10:22] <maz1977> LC_ALL=
[10:23] <maz1977> sorry don't know pastebin.com.
[10:23] <mctavish> Hi all, I just downloaded my warty secururity fixes and dpkg encountered a problem with the config.
[10:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: what do you mean?
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maz1977: www.pastebin.com
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: what is the message?
[10:24] <mctavish> Setting up linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386 (2.6.8.1-16.1) ...
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) that's normal
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: where do you see an error in that?
[10:25] <mctavish> hang on, theres more...
[10:25] <maz1977> treenaks: done
[10:25] <mctavish> ...   /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: device /dev/hdb2 is not a block device
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mctavish: did you switch harddisks around?
[10:25] <mctavish> some background. I've moved my drives around since my install, and I'm using grub from another drive
[10:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ah that's the problem then
[10:26] <mctavish> I've got 4 os's
[10:26] <mctavish> how to reconfigure?
[10:27] <mctavish> I'm afraid if I reboot I won't see ubuntu again:)
[10:29] <mctavish> oops, this is the final message which scared me: Failed to create initrd image.
[10:29] <Chibi> Fail
[10:30] <Chibi> You won't make it back to ubuntu alive D:
[10:34] <mctavish> Mr Treenaks? Anyone?
[10:36] (Mayday/#ubuntu) is there known issues with macromedias flash player and hoary?
[10:37] <deFrysk> Mayday, not is you install flashplugin-nonfree
[10:37] <deFrysk> is = if
[10:38] (Mayday/#ubuntu) deFrysk: is that version 7 of it?
[10:38] <deFrysk> yes I believe so
[10:39] (Mayday/#ubuntu) ok, ill try it
[10:40] <deFrysk> nickolas, no privating please
[10:51] <Micksa> hey, where's the gnarly wave file that shows how to pronounce ubuntu?
[10:53] <mctavis1> If anyone is curious, I rebooted and everything is ok, I think I fixed it :)
[10:54] <Matt|> hi there. I'm trying to play real movies in firefox. Sometimes the site opens the totem player and it works, but with other sites it tries to play it within a browser window, and it doesn't work. How can I do this?
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> moz plugger
[10:55] <Tsjoklat> something
[10:55] <Matt|> Tsjoklat, i have that installed
[10:55] <Matt|> Tsjoklat, do i need to configure it further
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> I would look on the wiki page for restricted formats
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> it is mentioned there
[10:57] <Matt|> hmm i'll give it a try
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> sorry Matt| haven't tried it myself yet so I can't give you any solid advice
[10:58] <Matt|> np
[10:58] <Matt|> nothing in that wiki
[10:59] <Tsjoklat> a search on the forums perhaps?
[10:59] <Matt|> Tsjoklat, ok yeah
[11:00] <Tsjoklat> Matt| and no luch eh?
[11:03] <Adrenal> i just formatted some ntfs partition into ext3, but where...is it?
[11:04] <deFrysk> fdisk/ -p /dev/hda (or something) to locate it
[11:04] <deFrysk> fdisk -p /dev/hda
[11:05] <deFrysk> fdisk -l /dev/hda
[11:05] <deFrysk> sorry
[11:05] <Adrenal> ok, but how do i put files and stuff in there?
[11:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) mount it somewhere
[11:06] <deFrysk> you have to set it up in fstab
[11:06] <Adrenal> how?
[11:06] <deFrysk> make a folder to mount it into
[11:06] <Adrenal> kk
[11:07] <deFrysk> try man fstab
[11:07] <Adrenal> command not found
[11:07] <Matt|> Adrenal, you must have the command "man"
[11:08] <Matt|> Adrenal, you can try and mount the disk without editing fstab if you want to do so
[11:08] <Adrenal> ok, how do i set it to open automatically at each boot?
[11:08] <Matt|> Adrenal, for that you have to edit fstab
[11:08] <Adrenal> ok
[11:08] <Adrenal> how do i get into it?
[11:08] <deFrysk> Adrenal, where is the partition located ?
[11:08] <Adrenal> on the same hdd
[11:08] <deFrysk> partition number ?
[11:09] <deFrysk> hda?
[11:09] <Adrenal> sda
[11:09] <deFrysk> sda?
[11:09] <Adrenal> hmm, one sec
[11:09] <deFrysk> sda[number] 
[11:10] <Adrenal> 6
[11:11] <deFrysk> /dev/sda6              /mnt/sda6               ext3    user,umask=000  0 0
[11:11] <deFrysk> and make a folder /mnt/sda6
[11:11] <Adrenal> /dev/sda6 command not found
[11:11] <deFrysk> and it will automount in your desktop even ;)
[11:11] <deFrysk> erm
[11:11] <deFrysk> fstab
[11:12] <Adrenal> eh?
[11:12] <Adrenal> put that first?
[11:12] <deFrysk> nano -w /etc/fstab
[11:12] <deFrysk> sudo nano -w /etc/fstab
[11:12] <Adrenal> yeh
[11:12] <Adrenal> what of it?
[11:12] <deFrysk> add this line :
[11:12] <deFrysk> /dev/sda6              /mnt/sda6               ext3    user,umask=000  0 0
[11:12] <Adrenal> <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[11:12] <Adrenal> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/sda6       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/hda        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/hdb        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[11:12] <Adrenal> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[11:13] <deFrysk> geez
[11:13] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) someone needs to put "no flooding" back in the topic
[11:13] <deFrysk> something like that yeah
[11:13] <Adrenal> sorry, just seemed like the right thing to do
[11:13] <deFrysk> Adrenal, it never is
[11:14] <deFrysk> backup your fstab
[11:14] <Adrenal> how?
[11:14] <deFrysk> and replace the sda6 line with the line I gave
[11:14] <deFrysk> mv /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[11:14] <deFrysk> mv = cp , sorry
[11:14] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) wait what
[11:14] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) he's already got sda6 mounted at /
[11:15] <deFrysk> cp not mv
[11:15] <Adrenal> kk
[11:15] <deFrysk> Agrajag, oh my
[11:15] <Adrenal> cannot stat `/etc/fstab': No such file or directory
[11:16] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) mv /etc/fstab.bak /etc/fstab
[11:16] <deFrysk> yeah
[11:16] <Adrenal> mv or cp?
[11:16] <deFrysk> mv
[11:16] <deFrysk> mv = moving/renaming
[11:16] <Adrenal> kk, done
[11:16] <Adrenal> no what?
[11:16] <deFrysk> cp is copying
[11:16] <Adrenal> nothing came up
[11:16] <deFrysk> Adrenal, thast good
[11:17] <Adrenal> kk, so, what happened?
[11:17] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you renamed your file system table, and I had you name it back
[11:17] <Adrenal> kk
[11:17] <deFrysk> now cp /etc/fstab etc/fstab.bak
[11:17] <deFrysk> then you have it backed up
[11:18] <Adrenal> cannot create regular file `etc/fstab.bak': No such file or directory
[11:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) /etc/fstab.bak
[11:18] <deFrysk> darn
[11:18] <deFrysk> I need coffee
[11:18] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:18] <deFrysk> Agrajag, thanks :)
[11:18] <Adrenal> could i just create it?
[11:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you are creating it
[11:18] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak
[11:19] <Adrenal> evidently, i'm not
[11:19] <deFrysk> Agrajag, yes
[11:19] <deFrysk> Adrenal, do what he sayd
[11:19] <Adrenal> kk, this one worked
[11:19] <Adrenal> well, no errors
[11:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) now
[11:19] <Adrenal> so guessing it did
[11:19] <deFrysk> now replace the sda6 line
[11:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) sda6 is not your new partition, it's already mounted at /
[11:19] <Adrenal> kk
[11:19] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) no, don't replace that
[11:19] <deFrysk> its ok then
[11:20] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) because you won't be able to mount your root fs next time you boot if you replace that
[11:20] <Adrenal> yeh, thought hat
[11:20] <Adrenal> *that
[11:20] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) you need to find out what partition you just formatted, because it wasn't sda6
[11:20] <Adrenal> kk
[11:20] <Adrenal> back to windows then
[11:21] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) then you can add a new line
[11:21] <Adrenal> bbl
[11:21] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) why
[11:21] <Adrenal> wha
[11:21] <Adrenal> how do i do it in linux?
[11:21] <deFrysk> fdisk -l /dev/sda
[11:21] <deFrysk> see what you have
[11:22] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:22] <Adrenal> nothing i can decypher
[11:22] <deFrysk> use sudo
[11:22] <Adrenal> i did
[11:22] <deFrysk> paste it in #flood
[11:22] <Adrenal> but i cant make sense of it
[11:23] <deFrysk> /dev/sda6 is the only linuxpartition
[11:23] <Adrenal> hmm
[11:23] <deFrysk> did you format a scsi disk ?
[11:23] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) wait
[11:23] <Adrenal> i think i did something wrong then
[11:24] <Adrenal> i'll go back to partition magic, bbl, thanks
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) did you actually change the partition type and make a filesystem?
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) sigh
[11:24] <deFrysk> geez he's gone
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) I give up trying to help
[11:24] <deFrysk> poor man has no clue
[11:24] (Agrajag/#ubuntu) I'M JUST GONNA GO DO SOMETHING IN WINDOWS INSTEAD OF SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK
[11:24] <deFrysk> :DDDD
[11:25] <deFrysk> a Bill brainwash
[11:25] <deFrysk> I need coffee (deja vu)
[11:26] <spiritz> quit
[11:33] <cerebrix> ok so i got the sound driver my soundcard uses loaded but i still have no sound and opening volume control kicks back alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[11:33] <cerebrix> any ideas?
[11:35] <spiritz> nope sorry dude
[11:41] <scoon> morning all
[11:41] <cerebrix> hola and stuff
[11:41] <scoon> does anyone know how i could use a src package and have it not be upgraded to the binary ?
[11:42] <cerebrix> i dont scoon, maybe someone else does?
[11:43] <scoon> thx
[11:48] <deFrysk> --target=blah ?
[11:48] <cerebrix> someting like that heh
[11:49] <deFrysk> yeah
[11:49] <cerebrix> im pretending to listen to my mp3 cd's lol
[11:49] <cerebrix> not nearly as entertaining as the real thing lol
[11:50] <deFrysk> lossless
[11:50] <Chibi> Heh. Lossless audio is only good for synth music.
[11:51] <deFrysk> lossess is also good for making a copy cd
[11:51] <cerebrix> hey where is the modprobe.conf in ubuntu?
[11:51] <scoon> deFrysk: was that meant for me ?
[11:51] <Chibi> You seriously can't tell the diffrence between 320kbps ogg/mp3 versus a flac or CD unless there's a sinewave of some sort.
[11:51] <deFrysk> scoon, what was ?
[11:51] <scoon> --target=blah ?
[11:52] <deFrysk> yeah
[11:53] <scoon> deFrysk: doesn't work.  I want to compile rhythmbox from ubuntu and when i do and then run apt-update, apt wants to install the binary version ?
[11:53] <deFrysk> ?
[11:53] <deFrysk> apt-get source -b so install it from source
[11:54] <potato> I found biggest difference in hit hats & such
[11:54] <scoon> deFrysk: yes it does.  but then apt wants to "upgrade" to the binary version.
[11:54] <potato> you can often tell in percussion intensive music
[11:54] <potato> hi hats ^
[11:54] <deFrysk> scoon, so ?
[11:55] <potato> <- is happy on ogg -q6 though
[11:55] <deFrysk> scoon, why compile it anyway ?
[11:55] <scoon> deFrysk: the binary version does not work as well as when I compile my own binary. the music does not skip everytime i open something
[11:55] <deFrysk> scoon why not make your own .deb and install that one
[11:56] <scoon> deFrysk: why should I?  If ubuntu has the src repos, why can't I just use them.
[11:56] <warty> hi everybody
[11:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) deFrysk: bump the version in debian/changelog a bit
[11:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) oops
[11:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: bump the version in debian/changelog a bit
[11:56] <deFrysk> Kamion, yeah
[11:57] <deFrysk> good idia
[11:57] <deFrysk> put .1 behind the version
[11:57] <cerebrix> is modules.conf the same thing as modules.conf?  im trying to add something my friend sent me the other day to it to see if it makes my soundcard work
[11:57] <cerebrix> i mean is it the same thing as modprobe.conf
[11:57] <cerebrix> sorry
[11:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: apt tries to get your system in sync with the repository you're upgrading from; if md5sum/size of a local package differ and the version's the same then it'll assume something's screwy and "upgrade" it; the usual fix is to bump the version by adding .0.0.1 to the end or something like that
[11:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: exact answer depends on whether you want to keep your locally installed version forever ignoring e.g. security updates in the repository or whether you want to get the upgrade ...
[11:59] <scoon> Kamion: I understand that I can pin a version to use.  which would be fine, but the src version is identical to the binary version.
[11:59] <scoon> Kamion: to change the version, should i do that in the .dsc file and then rename the .deb to match ?
[12:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) no no, edit debian/changelog before you build
[12:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you *can* do it by picking apart the .deb but I wouldn't recommend it if you don't know the format well
[12:03] <deFrysk> donald fagen on flac defenetly sounds better then ogg/mp3
[12:03] <deFrysk> ;p
[12:05] <scoon> Kamion: edit the .changes file that gets created ?
[12:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: if you've edited debian/changelog correctly there should be no need to edit *any* of the generated files
[12:08] <scoon> Kamion: ok, i think that is my question, what/where is the debian/changelog
[12:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) in the source package
[12:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you're unpacking and building the source package, right?
[12:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) apt-get source foo, cd foo-<whatever>, vi debian/changelog, dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us
[12:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (er, -rfakeroot too on the end, install fakeroot package)
[12:12] <Chibi> http://www.leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/index.htm
[12:16] <scoon> Kamion: what am i changing in the change log ?
[12:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) scoon: add a new entry to the top in the same format as the previous ones, but with ".0.0.1" added to the version number
[12:20] <ztonzy> hi
[12:20] <potato> hello
[12:20] <ztonzy> anyone here using Firestarter ?
[12:21] <potato> not me
[12:21] <potato> I'm just a lazy bum using a hardware firewall
[12:21] <scoon> ztonzy: shorewall
[12:21] <ztonzy> hmm, cause when running it it ask for root password...typing it it gives me error....
[12:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) try 'sudo firestarter'
[12:22] <ztonzy> root is not used in ubuntu more than as 'sudo'  but sudo also means typing the user password (admin, me, only one user at my system))
[12:22] <ztonzy> Kamion, from terminal works, but not from menu :-\
[12:22] <ztonzy> stupid
[12:23] <ztonzy> heh
[12:24] <Chibi> ztonzy - gksudo if you want to make a menu entry.
[12:24] <ztonzy> Chibi, ok
[12:24] <Chibi> gksudo brings up the gtk password entry dialog.
[12:24] <ztonzy> but...in preference settings in the appmenu ?
[12:25] <ztonzy> it showed 'gksu'  only here
[12:25] <ztonzy> I added '...do'
[12:25] <ztonzy> worked :)
[12:25] <ztonzy> thanks :D
[12:27] <cerebrix> &gt; ls -l /dev/snd
[12:27] <eim> I'm yet experiencing troubles with my iBook G3 and the suspend mode with pbbuttonsd. Anyone solved?
[12:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ztonzy: yeah, universe package therefore not necessarily synced with the way the main Ubuntu distribution does things
[12:28] <ztonzy> Kamion, okey ...
[12:29] <ztonzy> still does ubuntu works better for me than "sarge" did :)
[12:30] <scoon> Kamion: that worked, thx
[12:31] <___jul> hi
[12:40] <___jul> how can i get the source of my kernel (1.6.8.1-2-386) ? thks
[12:56] (sabdfl/#ubuntu) ___jul: linux-source-2.6.8.1 package
[12:56] <flam> hey.
[12:56] <bohrbug> I have serious problems using cdrecord on Ubuntu. I get buffer underrun all the time
[12:56] <bohrbug> Nautilus cd-burner works perfectly
[12:56] <bohrbug> As root, cdrecord works
[12:56] <___jul> where is the kernel_src_dir in ubuntu ?
[12:57] <dalderman> hey guys
[12:58] <emo> hi all, is this channel suitable for not very experienced with debian or ubuntu? i have a problem but I can explain it from too high level
[12:58] <dalderman> I need to boot my Ubuntu box with a 2.4 kernel, has anyone done this before?
[12:59] <dalderman> I tried installing 2.4 and booting into it but it all fell apart, is this likely to work if I fiddle with things like ethernet modules etc?
[01:01] <emo> my wireless usb mouse works properly on the live ubuntu cd, but with warty doesnt
[01:02] <emo> even if it is plugged during boot, the whole system freezes
[01:03] <dalderman> emo, I had problems with usb mouse during install, I put a ps/2 adaptor on it and then changed it after the installer had run
[01:04] <emo> hm, a kind of problem is that my laptop doesnt have any ps2 port :)
[01:04] <dalderman> oh...
[01:05] <emo> anyway on the live cd works, which is morphix.. obviously i have to compare the configs and try to play
[01:06] <flam> does any one know why i can't use wlan and lan at the same time and how to fix it?
[01:06] <emo> with lsmod i can see that the usbmouse module is loaded though
[01:07] <emo> configure wlan with iwconfig, the lat with ifconfig and put make the routing how it is suitable for you.. it souldnt be a problem..
[01:10] <flam> emo, the wlan must be configured with ifconfig as well, mustn't it?
[01:11] <emo> well, it should be possible, but if you have the wlan-tools installed iwconfig is quite a reasonable option.. anyway in ubuntu everything could be done with ui, and works quite well, really not sure what stands behind it
[01:11] <Scognito> hi
[01:12] <nevyn> hi
[01:12] <flam> i've tried to configurate everything with ui.. doesn't work anyway..
[01:12] <emo> but having two configured interfaces makes a good routing a must
[01:12] <flam> probably something wrong with my routing then..
[01:13] <emo> well, if you are using only wlan or only lan, does it work?
[01:13] <flam> yes
[01:13] <emo> hm..
[01:13] <flam> an option would be to only use one.. and change between them manualy..
[01:14] <emo> and in case you have two configured interfaces, can you reach other machines in the networks?
[01:14] <emo> or it is only a problem of access to internet, then you have to check the default gw
[01:15] <flam> when both is configurated and running, i only reach machines connected to the interface that was enabled first.
[01:16] <emo> then look if the wlan iface and the lan have the same netmask.. if they are in the same network, then the first registered entry in the routing table is effective
[01:17] <flam> yeah, i use 255.255.255.0 for both of them. shouldn't I?
[01:17] <emo> is not a problem if they are in different networks
[01:18] <flam> they're not on the same network now..
[01:18] <Scognito> i got this error "Bad alpha format .7" when i launch gdm theme different than the ones from default in ubuntu
[01:18] <emo> in case they are in the same net, then the first is count
[01:18] <Scognito> any hint?
[01:19] <Scognito> th error is "bad alpha specifier format .7"
[01:19] <flam> hm, strange. they're not on the same network.. but they will be eventually.
[01:21] <Deviled> hm, i've a problem...just upgraded to hoary this night..and xorg dont render the pictures..i mean, i cant see the content when i scroll..etc
[01:23] <Deviled> is there a possibility to downgrade to warty?
[01:23] <_MacGyver_> hello
[01:23] <Deviled> hi mac
[01:30] <flam> emo, it's supposed to be something like this: if the first iface cant reach a host, linux tries with the other iface.. am i right?
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) flam: not really
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) flam: that depends on a few things:
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) - Is the sender bound to a specific interface or not
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) - The routing table
[01:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it's not re-sent over another link on ICMP unreachable afaik
[01:32] <flam> ok...
[01:32] <flam> my AP (192.168.0.50) can't be reach with: ping 192.168.0.50 -I eth1
[01:33] <flam> eth1 i my wlan..
[01:33] <flam> eth0 have the first entry in the routing table tho.
[01:40] <eim> What about running cdrecord as user, should this user be in a special group like kmen, etc? Thanks.
[01:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) nah, access to the cd device should be afaik sufficient
[01:41] <lupus_> http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/projects/misc/sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb
[01:41] (mjr/#ubuntu) not having soft real-time scheduling and memory locking access might make writing more error-prone, but it is my understanding that modern burn-free drives wouldn't' really be too picky about that
[01:41] <lupus_> found this :)
[01:42] <netmonk> Can anyone help me with cd burning? I burn cd's fine with nautilus, but all the files I burn becom with owner root and are invisible when I insert the cd. Any ideas how to change this???
[01:43] (mjr/#ubuntu) they're pretty much supposed to be owner root, but how "invisible"?
[01:44] <eim> mjr: Fine, thanks.
[01:44] <ermo> mjr, q: what's difference between ubuntu and userlinux? Are they one and the same or just 'twins' in spirit?
[01:44] (mjr/#ubuntu) ermo, not the same
[01:44] <netmonk> mjr, why are they supposed to be owner root since I'm not recording them as root, and yes, they are invisible when I opne them in gnomel.
[01:45] (mjr/#ubuntu) different projects, but the goals seem to be similar at least partly
[01:45] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, because if they'd be owner you, and if you move the CD to some other computer, they'd be owned by a random user
[01:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) and in what way "invisible"?
[01:46] <ermo> mjr, also: at some point there was a 'debian desktop project'. Has ubuntu taken that torch officially, or is it just a (high quality) debian-based implementation coincidentally having the same goal?
[01:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) ermo, Ubuntu seems to do a bit more customizing, Userlinux is more branding of a set of Debian packages
[01:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) don't know about that
[01:46] <ermo> mjr, thx. Just curious ;)
[01:47] <netmonk> mjr, open the cd and it show no files at all. If i cd to the cdrom in the terminal I can see the files after ls -l
[01:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, does this happen with other cds also?
[01:47] <skar> is there any skype like voice chat utility in the debs?
[01:48] (mjr/#ubuntu) 'cause it really shouldn't do that :)
[01:48] <netmonk> mjr, no, only the ones I record myself
[01:48] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, even after you take them out and reinsert later?
[01:51] <eim> mjr: When I want to burn via the ATAPI interface I need to launch sudo cdrecord ... as user. Just cdrecord with user perms returns errors.
[01:51] <netmonk> mjr, yes. I burned a cd for a friend of mine. last night she couldn't open an openoffice file, so I took the cd to get the file and save it another format. When I inserted the cd, the cd folders pops up, but it's empty. I tryed it few times, checked the hiden files option - no help. Only whyen I cd to the cdrom in the shell I was able to copy the file, and then had to change the permissions because it wouldn't let me change it
[01:52] (mjr/#ubuntu) netmonk, well, I pretty much can't help you with that then, except to say to please report a bug on the Ubuntu bugzilla
[01:53] (mjr/#ubuntu) eim, and the user has read/write permissions to the cdrom device node?
[01:53] <netmonk> oki, mjr. 10x. I try first to ask since I don't want to file bugs that are result of me not doing something right ;)
[01:54] <eim> mjr: /dev/hdb (cdrom) has 0664 for group cdrom. User is in group cdrom so everything should be ok.
[01:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) eim, ok, well then, to my knowledge everything should be fine, but apparently my knowledge is outdated
[01:55] <eim> mjr: It's quite strange. I never had troubles on my previuous Debian unstable system.
[01:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) I'll admit that I might have not CDs since the last burning interface overhaul, preferring DVDs :)
[01:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) +burned
[01:56] (mjr/#ubuntu) eim, as I understand, there's been some changes in the interface relatively recently, but I haven't followed the details so much
[01:58] <eim> mjr: found: When i use the ATAPI cdrecord driver I need to specify the drive via ATAPI:/dev/cdrom and not ATAPI:0,1,0 -- This anyway prints out a warning message but seems to work for users.
[01:58] (mjr/#ubuntu) ahh, I see
[01:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) yes, the device node is the right way to do it really
[01:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) I just assumed that you were doing that since you mentioned using the ATAPI interface
[01:59] <eim> mjr: Yes, but it has troubles with perms on /dev/hdb then.
[02:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) (and never mind those warnings, that's just Joerg Schilling being an ass :)
[02:00] <eim> mjr: Ehm, sorry. You mean /dev/foo with device node?
[02:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) yes
[02:00] <eim> mjr: Ok, fine then.
[02:03] <xukun> #nicksetup
[02:07] <z0mbix> anyone here use ppc?
[02:08] <nevyn> hrm
[02:21] <abstractone> anybody tried to run skype on ubuntu ?
[02:24] <__daniel> hai
[02:24] <abstractone> hi
[02:26] <lupus_> is there a package for gmane?
[02:31] <gorlist> how do you run ubuntu with kde?
[02:31] <gorlist> i don't want gnome
[02:32] <z0mbix> apt-get install suse ;)
[02:32] <seek187> lol
[02:32] (jordi/#ubuntu) gorlist: you... get mandrake :)
[02:32] <z0mbix> it must be in universe
[02:33] <aaroncuk> hi guys.. i have added a link to mpd in /etc/rc2.d  by typing ln -s /etc/init.d/mpd S99mpd  but its not loading on boot.. any ideaa?
[02:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) aaroncuk: mpd?
[02:34] <aaroncuk> yeah - music player daemon
[02:36] <aaroncuk> is there anyway to check that it has been setup correctly
[02:36] <z0mbix> aaroncuk, update-rc.d
[02:37] <pab89> Grub won't boot my Windows system after installing Ubuntu, any ideas?
[02:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) pab89: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WindowsDualBootHowTo/ ?
[02:38] <pab89> I've read that, it doesn't give any clues as to how to fix it
[02:39] <z0mbix> any errors?
[02:39] <aaroncuk> i have deleted the link, gonna redoit
[02:39] <z0mbix> yeah, update-rc.d is the way to get ti right
[02:40] <aaroncuk> ln -s /etc/init.d/mpd s99mpd  been to told to run that, should the s on s99 be upper case
[02:41] <__daniel> pab89: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532
[02:41] <z0mbix> yes, upper
[02:41] <pab89> any way I can edit the grub config file to fix it or is my windows partition destroyed?
[02:41] <z0mbix> update-rc.d does all that for you and more
[02:42] <aaroncuk> lets reboot and see lol
[02:42] <z0mbix> pab89: do u get any error when it doesn't boot windows?
[02:43] <pab89> z0mbix: I'll reboot and write it down
[02:43] <z0mbix> k
[02:44] <aaroncuk> that worked zomb, thanks
[02:46] <aaroncuk> onto my next problem lol. ubuntu is showing my 160gb hard drive as 137gb.. even taking into account the whole 1024 thing, it should be at least 152
[02:47] <aaroncuk> someone sais there was a way to fix this in the kernel
[02:47] <pab89> ok, I get the following error booting XP
[02:48] <pab89> root (hd0,0)
[02:48] <pab89> Filesystem type unknown, Partition type 0x7
[02:48] <__daniel> pab89: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532
[02:49] <pab89> that looks promising, brb
[02:49] <z0mbix> aaroncuk: cool :)
[02:55] <pab89> from what I've looked up it's often related to the 2.6 kernel, do you think if I pulled out my suse 9.0 discs (kernel 2.4) it might fix the problem?
[02:55] <aaroncuk> just need to reclain the rest of my hard drive lol
[02:55] <__daniel> pab89: what are you going to do? install suse again?!
[02:57] <pab89> nonono, right, I just installed Ubuntu to find that I can't boot the windows XP partition, I also have suse 9 (kernel 2.4) discs. While reading some of the articles I read that it was more a bug with the 2.6 kernel so I was wondering if that would solve anything
[02:59] <aaroncuk> hmm i have an x in the middle of my screen, any ideas? lol
[02:59] <rapha> Hi all!
[02:59] <rapha> aaroncuk: Oh, my girlfriend has the same problem. It goes away when you move a window over it. But now idea how to permantently get rid of it :-/
[02:59] <__daniel> pab89: dont think so :-(
[03:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) pab89: try http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/, see if that's useful
[03:00] <pab89> hmmmm, well I'm reading that now, it looks a bit daunting but I've got no other options
[03:02] <pab89> it says the solution is this line: sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk --no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
[03:02] <pab89> but do I need to input variables or does it work "as-is"
[03:02] <aaroncuk> its something to do with x server config
[03:10] <pab89> I'm still not sure how to perform the commands in that article
[03:17] <pab89> :'(
[03:18] <Fwiffo_> pab89: A friend of mine encountered what seems to be the same problem you have, he fixed it by changinging from CHS to LBA in the BIOS
[03:19] <pab89> chs to lba...ok, thanks
[03:19] <pab89> If I don't come back it hasn't worked, lol
[03:19] <Fwiffo_> :o)
[03:26] <martin1> hi
[03:26] <martin1> I have a problem setting up my network with ubuntu
[03:27] <martin1> I managed to get my Netgear MA111 wlan usb thingie working with linux-wlan-ng
[03:27] <pab89> got XP and Ubuntu working together now
[03:27] <pab89> thnx
[03:27] <Fwiffo_> super!
[03:27] <martin1> I can ping all computers including my hardware router on that network
[03:27] <martin1> but when I try to add a default route to my router it says "network unreachable
[03:28] <martin1> even though I can ping that host and it's only one hop away and I've got a route to 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 via wlan0
[03:28] <martin1> I'm totally desperate, I just don't understand that
[03:28] <childe> Hi. I've just installed Ubuntu!
[03:28] <martin1> can anyone help me with that?
[03:29] <childe> The installation is very easy.
[03:29] <childe> Bye.
[03:29] <gnurt> hehe
[03:29] <gen> what a weirdo
[03:30] <__daniel> gen|out: he was nice enough to tell it
[03:31] <Fwiffo_> yeah, nice with a few success-stories instead of only problem-reports :o)
[03:32] <z0mbix> any ppc users here?
[03:33] <martin1> so, has anyone got experience with weird routing problems?
[03:33] <Rene_S> Actually, mine went very well and I got all my plugins installed, Point2Play works, and Crossover Office runs nice and smooth, even IE runs a tad faster
[03:34] <cardador> Rene_S: why do you need IE?
[03:34] <sirfred> Hi.
[03:34] <sirfred> I've just switched to Hoary. a little question about DRI.
[03:34] <Rene_S> I dont it gets installed with Office XP
[03:34] <kensai> cardador, to get spywares maybe
[03:35] <cardador> Rene_S: ah ok :)
[03:35] <sirfred> I thought that the last X.org version has DRI support for the mach64 ati chipset.
[03:35] <sirfred> But I cannot find the driver on my install.
[03:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) sirfred: do you have a basic install, or did you upgrade (not recommended!) to hoary
[03:36] <Rene_S> I would use Openoffice more but some of my work doesn't translate well between office xp and openoffice
[03:36] <sirfred> Treenaks: I upgraded.
[03:36] <sirfred> Treenaks: But I'm sure I'm on x.org.
[03:36] <moyote> Does anyone if sed has be fixed in hoary?
[03:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it has
[03:36] <moyote> s/be/been
[03:36] <moyote> ty
[03:37] <kensai> Open Office is far superior in my case I have never had a problem
[03:37] <kensai> not even opening and editing my documents in a winslows pc
[03:37] <Rene_S> I don't for the most part, just some presentations and a couple of spreadsheets seem to get mangled a little and I am too lazy to redo them
[03:38] <kensai> Ohh
[03:39] <Rene_S> Besides its a nice sell point to show people that you can go Windows free and not have relearn everything
[03:40] <martin1> is there noone here who can help me ? :(
[03:40] <Rene_S> Sorry martin1 I dont do networking
[03:41] <z0mbix> martin, what are all the ip's subnet etc?
[03:41] <martin1> well, my home lan subnet is 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0
[03:41] <martin1> the computer in question gets an 192.168.0.10 assigned by dhcp
[03:42] <martin1> the router has the ip 192.168.0.1
[03:42] <martin1> but I can't add a default route to the router
[03:42] <z0mbix> linux router?
[03:42] <martin1> hardware router from netgear
[03:43] <martin1> when I do dhclient wlan0 the dhclient seems to try to add the correct default route
[03:43] <z0mbix> is this default route set? webconfig?
[03:43] <martin1> but gets a SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable
[03:43] <martin1> I can't set the default route
[03:43] <martin1> that's the really strange point
[03:44] <martin1> I can ping the router, but when I try "sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1" I get the above message
[03:45] <martin1> how can the network 192.168.0.0 be unreachable if there is a route to it and I can ping the machines on that network?
[03:45] <sirfred> martin1: Are you able to put the route manually?
[03:46] <z0mbix> that's what the route add command is
[03:46] <sirfred> Excuse me.
[03:46] <martin1> no sirfred
[03:46] <sirfred> I didn't read the line.
[03:46] <z0mbix> martin1: bit the network unreachable is the external network not the 192.168.0.0 network
[03:46] <martin1> can it be somehow related to that ipv6 stuff?
[03:47] <sirfred> martin1: Are you sure that your NIC IP belongs to that network?
[03:47] <martin1> pretty much so, my NIC IP is 192.168.0.10 and the network is 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.0
[03:47] <sirfred> martin1: Is the ethernet card up?
[03:47] <martin1> yes
[03:48] <sirfred> Very strange.
[03:48] <martin1> ifconfig shows wlan0 with the correct ip and all
[03:48] <sirfred> ifconfig wlan0 ?
[03:48] <martin1> yes
[03:48] <martin1> should I write it down here?
[03:48] <sirfred> martin1: The inet addr: line and the UP line.
[03:49] <sirfred> martin1: Please
[03:49] <attifinch> hello
[03:49] <martin1> (locale is german...) inet Adresse: 192.168.0.10 Bcast: 192.168.0.255 Maske: 255.255.255.0
[03:49] <sirfred> martin1: That's fine.
[03:49] <martin1> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1492 Metric:1
[03:50] <sirfred> I think that's fine.
[03:50] <attifinch> i have a quesiton im thinking of switching from mandrake to ubuntu .. any major resons to?
[03:51] <martin1> when I run route -C all lines have "lo" at the end as the interface, is that sane?
[03:51] <drac_> euh nop
[03:51] <sirfred> martin1: I have some for the eth0.
[03:51] <martin1> like, after pinging 192.168.0.1 it says "192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 l 0 0 2 lo"
[03:52] <sirfred> ANd you're able to ping that ip?
[03:52] <martin1> yes
[03:52] <martin1> ah well, if I connect to this laptop via ssh (which works w/o any problems)
[03:53] <martin1> I get lines within that with iface wlan0
[03:53] <sirfred> martin1: What do you have in your /etc/hosts ?
[03:53] <martin1> maybe thats the problem?
[03:53] <drac_> 15:55 drac@portable ~% route -n | grep lo |wc -l
[03:53] <drac_> 0
[03:53] <moyote> attifinch, Well, that's a loaded question in this room since we use Ubuntu. try it and see for yourself. You can always go back to Mandrake if you want to. :-)
[03:53] <martin1> pretty much untouched: 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost perseus
[03:53] <sirfred> martin1: And route -n ?
[03:53] <martin1> and then some ip6 lines
[03:54] <martin1> just one single route, target 192.168.0.0 router 0.0.0.0 genmask 255.255.255.0 Flags U Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface wlan0
[03:55] <sirfred> martin1: I can't understand it.
[03:55] <sirfred> martin1: My configuration is really near yours.
[03:55] <sirfred> martin1: But, I'm able to add the route.
[03:55] <martin1> me too sirfred
[03:56] <sirfred> martin1: You sure about the line syntax?
[03:56] <martin1> it's not that I was completely unexperienced with networking on linux...
[03:56] <sirfred> route add default gw 172.26.0.1
[03:56] <martin1> "route add default gw 192.168.0.1"
[03:56] <martin1> oh, + "dev wlan0"
[03:56] <sirfred> Excuse me, that's my line.
[03:57] <sirfred> Have you tried with and without 'dev wlan0' ?
[03:57] <martin1> the strange thing is that even dhclient can't set the route while hes trying to
[03:57] <martin1> yes, in that case I get "network is down" ..
[03:57] <sirfred> martin1: Well, at least, it's coherent.
[03:57] <sirfred> network is down.
[03:57] <martin1> "network is not active"
[03:58] <martin1> btw I had to manually get the wlan0 dev up because the scripts didn't work
[03:58] <martin1> using wlanctl wlan0 [ ... strange commands here ... ] 
[03:58] <martin1> s/wlanctl/wlanctl-ng/
[03:58] <sirfred> martin1: But it seems to be up
[03:59] <martin1> it clearly is up
[03:59] <martin1> I can ssh from that box to this computer
[03:59] <sirfred> martin1: When you write only ifconfig, did it shows?
[03:59] <sirfred> the wlan0 ?
[03:59] <martin1> yes, and lo
[03:59] <sirfred> My only difference is the MTU
[03:59] <martin1> uh, and if I "ifconfig lo down" I can't ping my router anymore??
[04:00] <sirfred> I suppose that you're using some kind of PPPoE encapsulation.
[04:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) your router is in lo?
[04:00] <sirfred> But, that's a mess
[04:00] <martin1> though I can still reach my notebook via ssh
[04:00] <sirfred> What have lo to do with the router?
[04:00] <martin1> no, my router is not in lo
[04:00] <martin1> at least, he shouldn't be!
[04:00] <sirfred> What do you have in lo, ifconfig ?
[04:01] <sirfred> what inet addr and that kind of things?
[04:01] <martin1> excuse me?
[04:01] <sirfred> Is lo with inet addr: 127.0.0.1 ?
[04:01] <martin1> 127.0.0.1 mask 255.0.0.0
[04:01] <sirfred> It seems a joke.
[04:01] <mindphasr> hrm still have not received my cds :(
[04:01] <martin1> and only if that one's up it works
[04:02] <sirfred> It seems that lo and wlan0 are in shortcircuit or something so.
[04:02] <martin1> or better, it doesn't work ...
[04:02] <martin1> yes sirfred, but apparently only for 192.168.0.1
[04:02] <martin1> rest of the world is fine
[04:02] <sirfred> martin1: Have you configured that network in any other place?
[04:03] <martin1> mh - maybe if I change my routers IP adress to be something like 192.168.0.99?
[04:03] <martin1> what other place?
[04:03] <sirfred> martin1: What do you have in /etc/networks.
[04:03] <sirfred> For example.
[04:03] <martin1> I'm completely unfamiliar with ubuntu configuration I have to admit
[04:03] <sirfred> martin1: Neither I am, it's like debian, more or less.
[04:03] <martin1> in /etc/networks/interaces is some stuff
[04:03] <martin1> auto lo
[04:03] <sirfred> martin1: The file is /etc/network/interfaces
[04:03] <martin1> iface lo inet loopback
[04:04] <martin1> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[04:04] <martin1> auto wlan0 ...
[04:04] <sirfred> martin1: That's fine.
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: Try a ifdown -a, ifup -a
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: But you'll lose the connection.
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: Perhaps you can see some new error message.
[04:05] <martin1> mh, wait a second
[04:05] <sirfred> martin1: There's no much more than /etc/network/interfaces.
[04:06] <sirfred> martin1: Perhaps you've configured something else in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts
[04:06] <martin1> ifdown -a says nothing
[04:06] <sirfred> martin1: But I think /etc/network/interfaces rules.
[04:06] <martin1> ifup doesn't work
[04:06] <sirfred> What means doesn't work?
[04:06] <martin1> as it fails to correctly configure my wlan device
[04:06] <sirfred> What do you see?
[04:07] <martin1> SET failed on device lo, operation not supported
[04:07] <martin1> thats strange
[04:07] <sirfred> I've got that, also, I think.
[04:07] <martin1> it tries to set the wireless requests on my lo
[04:07] <sirfred> Humm.
[04:07] <sirfred> Have you configured some of those?
[04:08] <sirfred> Encryption,...
[04:08] <sirfred> You could try with an static configuration.
[04:09] <martin1> yes I had though i removed them now
[04:09] <martin1> I have to configure that interface using /etc/wlan stuff
[04:09] <martin1> it's linux-wlan-ng
[04:09] <sirfred> martin1: I made it in another way
[04:09] <sirfred> martin1: In the interfaces file:
[04:10] <sirfred> iface eth0 inet static
[04:10] <sirfred> ...
[04:10] <Gwildor_> morning :)
[04:10] <sirfred> wireless-mode managed
[04:10] <sirfred>         wireless-essid WLAN
[04:10] <sirfred> ...
[04:10] <sirfred> This way.
[04:10] <sirfred> It's automatically configured when ifup-ing the interface
[04:11] <martin1> uhm should yes ..
[04:11] <martin1> wait a second, ill try
[04:11] <martin1> how do i define IP and stuff?
[04:11] <sirfred> martin1:
[04:11] <sirfred>        address 172.26.0.3
[04:12] <sirfred>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[04:12] <sirfred>         network 172.26.0.0
[04:12] <sirfred>         broadcast 172.26.0.255
[04:12] <sirfred>         gateway 172.26.0.1
[04:12] <sirfred> martin1: From my configuration.
[04:12] <Depht> the network config GUI is really quite good these days, if will write most of what most people want in interfaces
[04:12] <trinity> hi - anyone know how to add a floppy icon to the desktop whitch automounts floppy when clicked on
[04:12] <martin1> no effect
[04:12] <martin1> the wireless set request fail on wlan0
[04:13] <martin1> because it's linux-wlan-ng ...
[04:13] <martin1> and afterwards it says "SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable" :-(
[04:13] <sirfred> martin1: Sorry
[04:13] <martin1> prolly when its trying to add the default route
[04:14] <kent_> trinity, you have on in the computer-window, dont you?
[04:14] <martin1> I'll try to change my routers ip now, expect a timeout from me ;-)
[04:15] <trinity> kent_:yes - so I just drag it to the desktop?
[04:15] <kent_> trinity, hmm, not sure if thats possible.
[04:15] <Depht> seems to work
[04:15] <Depht> only way to see is just to try it
[04:16] <kent_> trinity, but you do have an applet that will let you mount/unmount disks (floppy, cdrom etc) that you can put on the panel
[04:19] <martin_> should have disconnected before
[04:19] <martin_> sirfred, I changed my routers IP to 192.168.0.52 and it works now
[04:19] <wood1> Hi to all
[04:20] <wood1> Can anybody give me some tips to login to this IRC channel using a port other than 6667 ?
[04:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: uh, look on the freenode.org websited
[04:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wood1: it might have more info
[04:21] <wood1> My company firewall has disabled access to port 6667 on all other PCs except the one I am using right now
[04:23] <martin_> has anyone got an idea how to repair the linux-wlan-ng scripts?
[04:27] <wood1> How hard is it to built a High End Server using PC Clustering with Ubuntu Linux?
[04:29] <martin_> sirfred, are you still there?
[04:30] <siulca> a friend installed ubuntu and he's trying to install nvidia drivers but doesn't know what the root password is!! he said he never set the password at instalation.
[04:31] <siulca> can anyone help?
[04:31] <z0mbix> ubuntu doesn't use the root account
[04:31] <z0mbix> it uses sudo instead
[04:31] <z0mbix> prefix the root command with sudo
[04:31] <siulca> sudo?
[04:31] <z0mbix> sudo apt-get install foobar
[04:31] <siulca> what does that do?
[04:32] <eruin> siulca, if you really need root, you can do "sudo su"
[04:32] <siulca> but what's the root password if the user never set one up?!!!
[04:32] <eruin> there is no root password
[04:32] <Depht> installing nividia drivers can be done with only one command y'know; after install them that from apt that is
[04:33] <eruin> siulca, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:33] <siulca> Depht do you know which command it is?
[04:33] <eruin> that explains whats up with root ;)
[04:33] <Depht> the wiki gives exactly the steps
[04:33] <eruin> siulca, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:33] <eruin> the password requested is his user password
[04:34] <Gwildor_> the sudo password is your user password
[04:34] <Gwildor_> easy 'nuff
[04:34] <eruin> ;)
[04:34] <Gwildor_> where did you ge the mesh?
[04:35] <Gwildor_> sorry for last post......wrong chat
[04:35] <siulca> he's saying he need to exit x to install drivers!
[04:35] <Depht> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto < sure that used to be easier to find...
[04:36] <eruin> siulca, ctrl+alt+f1 -> sudo killall gdm -> install drivers
[04:36] <Depht> can install the drivers in X, then just restart gdm afterwards
[04:36] <Depht> "Note: requires linux-restricted modules >= 2.6.8.1.1-3
[04:36] <Depht>    1.
[04:36] <Depht>       sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:36] <Depht>    2.
[04:37] <Depht>       sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[04:37] <Depht> "
[04:37] <Depht> sorry, didn't see those blanks
[04:37] <eruin> nobody else talking in here anyway
[04:38] <eruin> for anyone listening, I think the truetype fontservers should be required by ubuntu-desktop
[04:38] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: why?
[04:38] (Ng/#ubuntu) X has builtin truetype rendering
[04:38] <Depht> why would you need any font server?
[04:38] <eruin> (hoary)
[04:39] <eruin> because windows truetype fonts (used widely on the web) doesn't seem to work properly without them. I'm not sure though.. I had to uncomment some stuff manually in /etc/fonts/local.conf to get hinting
[04:39] (Ng/#ubuntu) that's nothing to do with font servers though
[04:39] <eruin> the problem is probably that the font setup in gnome doesn't actually apply any changes you set to hinting/subpixel etc
[04:39] <Depht> hmm, everything on my screen looks as smooth as possible; with no changes at all to config
[04:39] (Ng/#ubuntu) that's configuration of the fontconfig package
[04:39] <Depht> except in gnome of course
[04:40] (Ng/#ubuntu) I know on debian at least it asks what kind of hinting you want when you install the package
[04:40] <eruin> Ng, ah, I haven't got that package installed.
[04:41] <eruin> but the msttcorefonts aren't quite as decent as the ones I grab from XP
[04:41] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: why don't you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:41] (Ng/#ubuntu) it depends on fontconfig
[04:41] <siulca> how do u run X?
[04:41] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: that will be why gnome's font config doesn't work too
[04:41] <eruin> anyway, shouldn't the changes gnome-font-properties do get applied?
[04:42] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: they do work if you have fontconfig installed :)
[04:42] <eruin> ah, well, it didn't work before I removed it either (removed it along with openoffice1 (need ooo1.9(
[04:42] (Ng/#ubuntu) if you remove ubuntu-desktop you are on your own mostly
[04:42] (Ng/#ubuntu) since new desktop packages can come in that you won't necessarily know to install
[04:43] <eruin> I can't use it until ooo1.9 comes along
[04:43] <siulca> can anyone tell me how does one get back to the desktop after installing drivers on console?
[04:43] <eruin> ooo1 can't read my quite-important .oot files ;)
[04:43] <z0mbix> siulca: /etc/init.d/gdm start
[04:44] <Depht> off topic, does anyone know if there's an eta on OOo 2?
[04:44] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: right, so you're tryign to run a development version of OO on a development version of Ubuntu and you're unhappy that things don't all Just Work.
[04:44] <siulca> thanks zombix
[04:44] <Rene_S> Can some one tell me how to install Windows XP its been so long I forgot .... j/k
[04:44] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: that isn't very fair ;)
[04:45] <eruin> Ng, didn't say I'm unhappy with it ;)
[04:45] <eruin> just tried to understand why
[04:45] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: fair enough, my apologies. now you know why :)
[04:45] <eruin> Ng, thanks ;)
[04:46] (Ng/#ubuntu) eruin: if you want to see what packages you're missing, run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and say no, it'll have printed a list of things it would have installed
[04:46] (Ng/#ubuntu) you should see at least fontconfig
[04:46] (Ng/#ubuntu) check to see what else you could be missing :)
[04:46] <siulca> aparently /etc/init.d/gdm start says it failed!
[04:47] <eruin> I lack menu, msttcorefonts
[04:47] <rapha> Hmm
[04:48] <Depht> siulca, change start to restart
[04:48] <eruin> hmm, actually I have fontconfig
[04:48] <rapha> Why doesn't GLX work with X.Org (I just changed to that). X log file says about some unresolved symbols...
[04:48] <rapha> Do I have to exchange any other packages?
[04:48] <eruin> ati?
[04:49] <Depht> rapha, not many people will have tried XOrg on ubuntu, you may be better off searching for it on google or somewhere
[04:49] <rapha> eruin: NVidia.
[04:49] <rapha> Okay...
[04:49] <eruin> I'm running xorg with nvidia 6111 here
[04:49] <eruin> (hoary)
[04:50] <rapha> Hmm. No idea which version of the NVidia driver I have. But it also comes through Synaptic.
[04:50] <deFrysk> <--nvidia
[04:50] <rapha> Prolly same as you
[04:50] <fabbione> eruin: is it working or are you just complaining abou the errors in the log file?
[04:50] <eruin> it's working fine and dandy here
[04:50] <fabbione> ops
[04:50] <fabbione> it was for rapha
[04:50] <deFrysk> fine here too
[04:51] <fabbione> rapha: ^^
[04:51] <fabbione> rapha: is it working or are you just complaining abou the errors in the log file?
[04:53] <eruin> is there a make.conf like in gentoo around, or do I just export my flags as env vars?
[04:57] <rapha> fabbione: Well, it's not working. I also turned on Composite, but according to the logfile that's never loaded.
[05:00] <fabbione> rapha: composite and GLX cannot be enabled together
[05:00] <fabbione> or one or the other
[05:01] <rapha> Oh.
[05:01] <rapha> Didn't know that.
[05:01] <rapha> Okay, then I'll try disabling GLX when I come back from the library. Thanks fabbione.
[05:01] <eruin> that's only in the 6629 drivers
[05:02] <eruin> and does metacity in ubuntu work with composite yet?
[05:02] <deFrysk> ubuntu has an easy install guide with tools to install nvidia
[05:03] <deFrysk> read the nvidia bit in http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:09] <eruin> I wish muine had an audioscrobbler plugin ;)
[05:13] <tom__> would i be iterrupting to ask for a short discussion on some concepts ineed to get sorted in my mind?
[05:13] <eruin> not likely ;)
[05:14] <tom__> ok ....
[05:14] <tom__> ty
[05:14] <tom__> i am trying to work my way throughunderstanding home networking and am trying to get clear in my mind what a domain is in terms of the network settingsin ubuntu
[05:15] <tom__> i ave three pcs (hosts?) in my lan
[05:15] <tom__> so i give them a one word host name each ....
[05:16] <Caspar> Hia
[05:17] <tom__> then do i goive them all a common domain name ?  what i am struggling with is the idea that eac pc has a "localhost.localdomain" and whether this shouold or could be used across all of them
[05:17] <Caspar> dous someone know where the VNC vieuwer is in ubuntu to connect to another computer?
[05:17] <tom__> or do i need another domain for them to share
[05:17] <z0mbix> Caspar:  gertix :: ~ which vncviewer
[05:17] <z0mbix> /usr/bin/vncviewer
[05:18] <eruin> or tsclient
[05:18] <Caspar> Ok thx
[05:19] <tom__> any comment on any of that anyone?
[05:20] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: you don't really need to give them all a domain
[05:20] <Caspar> z0mbix? how can i use it?
[05:20] <tom__> no?  just a hostname?
[05:20] <z0mbix> Caspar: just type vncviewer in a terminal
[05:21] <Caspar> it is to a windows desktop:|
[05:21] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: just a hostname will be fine. localhost.localdomain doesn't mean, e.g. localhost.myhomenetworkdomain
[05:21] <eruin> hum
[05:21] <tom__> Ng yeah i find myself confused by this
[05:21] <eruin> I'm unable to view my own desktop through nvcviewer
[05:21] <z0mbix> Caspar: it doesn't matter what u connect to the vnc client is always started the same
[05:22] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: if your network gets more complicated it can be handy to have domains, e.g. I have a .lan and .wireless at home
[05:22] <Caspar> ya but how can i controll the computer then whit a grafical output?
[05:22] <tom__> ok so all i have to do is call it pc1 or pc2 as a host name
[05:23] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: yep, then there's a file /etc/hosts you can use to tell each one the name/ip of the others
[05:23] <z0mbix> Caspar: install ssh on your windows pc
[05:23] <Caspar> i don't want ssh
[05:23] <z0mbix> or use remote desktop on the windows pc
[05:23] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: (an easy alternative to running a local dns server ;)
[05:23] <Caspar> i want vnc grafic
[05:23] <z0mbix> i don't get your problem
[05:23] <tom__> NG ah ..... now, i have DHCP running on my router ....
[05:23] <z0mbix> if u want gui use remote desktop or vnc server/client
[05:24] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: right, then not /etc/hosts :)
[05:24] (Ng/#ubuntu) good call
[05:24] <Caspar> i want to connect to my windows computer in grafical mode
[05:24] <z0mbix> then use VNC
[05:24] <z0mbix> or remote desktop
[05:24] <eruin> tsclient was installed by default here
[05:25] <eruin> it can view my local vino-server-shared desktop
[05:25] <tom__> ng so in that case, with dhcp, will just the host name allow it to sort itself all out?
[05:26] <dbarnett> Can someone tell me where the default user info is for firefox on a fresh install? I  tried copying my old .mozilla and replaced all instances of bookmarks.html under there, also the one in /usr/local/bin/firefox/defaults/profile but I still only have the default bookmarks page
[05:26] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: I'm not 100% sure about that, there is a way for dhcp to deal with hostnames and so on, but I'm not very familiar with it I'm afraid
[05:26] <tom__> NG ok ty
[05:26] <z0mbix> dbarnett: just import the bookmarks.html file
[05:26] <robtaylor> hmm, does anyone know a way i can shrink the spacing between menu entries in gnome 2.8?
[05:26] <z0mbix> dbarnett: --> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[05:26] <Caspar> z0mbix i want to use it but how can i use it? do i need to install it first?
[05:27] <tom__> i have been having a loy of fun realising that dhcp keeps changing resolve.conf
[05:27] <z0mbix> Caspar: maybe, try sudo apt-get install vnc-common
[05:27] <Depht> robtaylor, you don't unless you edit the theme; is it really too big?
[05:27] <z0mbix> then you should get vncviewer
[05:28] <robtaylor> Depht: just a bit cluttersome for me.. i guess i'll just chack myself up a 'laptop' theme :)
[05:28] <Caspar> z0mbix i have it but how do i use it?
[05:28] <eruin> I think the icons used are what's causing the spacing you're talking about
[05:28] <dbarnett> zombix: copied it to /home/dbarnett/.mozilla/firefox/default.uls
[05:28] <dbarnett> also
[05:28] <z0mbix> Caspar: just type: vncviewer in a terminal and box will appear asking for the ip address of your windows pc
[05:29] <z0mbix> Caspar: just make sure vnc server is running on your windows pc
[05:29] <Caspar> its running?
[05:29] <Caspar> ja
[05:29] <Caspar> sry it is
[05:29] <Caspar> but
[05:30] <z0mbix> are you running X on your linux box?
[05:30] <robtaylor> eruin: not if i run an svg theme =)
[05:30] <Caspar> you mean GUI gnome or?
[05:30] <z0mbix> yes, in gnome, just click on "Applications" then "Run Application"
[05:31] <z0mbix> then just type "vncviewer" in there
[05:31] <robtaylor> ah. they dont do real svg themes yet :(
[05:31] <z0mbix> a box should appear - just enter the ip address of your windows pc
[05:31] <Caspar> and then enter?
[05:31] <z0mbix> yes
[05:33] <Caspar> it dousent work
[05:33] <Caspar> maybe becose it is password protected?
[05:33] <Depht> is the terminal server client not installed by default? that includes vnc in a friendlier way
[05:34] <eruin> it is
[05:34] <Caspar> it is running also as server but i want to connect from this computer to my windows computer tru vnc
[05:34] <tom__> Ng ty for your help there just being able to talk with someone sometimes is a great aid
[05:35] (Ng/#ubuntu) tom__: np :)
[05:35] <Caspar> ?
[05:35] <tom__> i have jts found a promising dhcp faq .... tc i will see if that helps in this slow crawl up the mountain :)
[05:36] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi
[05:37] <jmhodges> quick question..
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: i don't understan
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: i've told u numerous times what to do
[05:37] <jmhodges> i just installed a cd-rw.. and i can write to it just finewith nautilus etc
[05:37] <z0mbix> what happens when u do what i've suggested?
[05:37] <jmhodges> but no matter what cd i put in, the cd is never mounted
[05:37] <Caspar> z0mbic it dousent connect
[05:37] <Caspar> dous nothing
[05:37] <jmhodges> in fact, i cant even eject using the hardware button
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: r u running Windows XP?
[05:37] <jmhodges> the cd never shows up in Disks or on the Desktop
[05:37] <Caspar> z0mbix yes
[05:37] <z0mbix> Caspar: svc pack 2?
[05:37] <Caspar> OOPS
[05:38] <Caspar> :|
[05:38] <jmhodges> to eject it i have to run `sudo eject /dev/hdd`
[05:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jmhodges: that suggests that it *is* mounted, but perhaps the window isn't showing up
[05:38] <z0mbix> Caspar: maybe the firewall is blocking it
[05:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jmhodges: start a terminal, type 'mount', look for it
[05:38] <jmhodges> Kamion: its not there
[05:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) very odd
[05:38] <jmhodges> extremely
[05:38] <Caspar> ill try now :|
[05:38] <jmhodges> Kamion: the green light on the drive stays on ..
[05:39] <jmhodges> i just installed this thing..
[05:39] <Caspar> works
[05:39] <Caspar> it was the firewall :|
[05:39] <z0mbix> Caspar: :)
[05:39] <Caspar> i hate SP2
[05:39] <Caspar> :|
[05:39] <z0mbix> bloody svc pack 2
[05:39] <jmhodges> when i try to mount it, i get the normal "you fscked this up" error
[05:39] <Caspar> also whit suse 9.2 :|
[05:40] <jmhodges> mmrph.. i hope this isn't a hw issue..
[05:40] <Caspar> but only that one will run on my laptop |
[05:41] <the_tux> hi all....i installed ubuntu and i typed "pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0" and it gives me nothing (i think it means that there is no gtk+ libraries and i checked in synaptic that all gtk+ libraries are installed but the system don't see the libraries ( i think) how can i solve it ?
[05:41] <PorscheBoy> hey
[05:42] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows how to upgrade from xfree to xorg?
[05:42] <jmhodges> the_tux: thats because you tried the wrong pkg name
[05:42] <the_tux> jmhodges, which should i use
[05:42] <the_tux> ?
[05:43] <the_tux> (sorry for my english!)
[05:43] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: add appropriate entry in sources.list, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade - i guess
[05:43] <jind> PorscheBoy, pacman -Sy xorg (If you were using Arch linux though :P )
[05:44] <jmhodges> the_tux: libgtk2.0-common
[05:44] <PorscheBoy> well, i did dist-upgrade but i didn't x.org package in there
[05:44] <PorscheBoy> see^
[05:44] <the_tux> jmhodges, ok thanks so so much :)
[05:45] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: u need a repostiory with xorg in it
[05:45] <jmhodges> the_tux: and to be able to compile your own gtk code, libgtk2.0-dev
[05:45] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: afaik xorg is not in warty repo
[05:45] <the_tux> jmhodges, thanks
[05:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: were you dist-upgrading to hoary?
[05:45] <jmhodges> the_tux: np :)
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> yes
[05:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: even if so, you'll only get xorg automatically if you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[05:45] <PorscheBoy> i'm running warty with hoary repositories
[05:45] <the_tux> i should go now thanks so much
[05:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: otherwise, you'll need to apt-get install xserver-xorg xorg-driver-synaptics
[05:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: no you're not, you're running hoary :-)
[05:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: "warty with hoary repositories" = hoary
[05:46] <PorscheBoy> Kamion, no i'm running warty but i changed the repositories to hoary
[05:47] <wasabi> PorscheBoy: did you upgrade everything to hoary?
[05:47] <PorscheBoy> not really
[05:47] <wasabi> after changing the repositories
[05:47] <greg__> PorscheBoy:: and what apt-cache policy x.org show?
[05:47] <wasabi> so you have a hundred unupgraded packages
[05:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you dist-upgraded after doing so, you are running hoary
[05:47] <PorscheBoy> i tried hoary but it wasn't stable to i switched back to warty
[05:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: it doesn't really mean anything to say that you're running warty if you have a significant number of packages at a higher version
[05:48] <PorscheBoy> kamion, how do i upgrade x.org only?
[05:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) greg__: there's no package called "x.org"
[05:48] <greg__> Kamion:: typo
[05:48] <greg__> Kamion:: i have only sources for ubuntu's xorg
[05:49] (dataw0lf/#ubuntu) let's just get something straight.. you really shouldn't have your repos set to hoary unless you know and are willing to fix alot of crap.
[05:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you can try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg', but it's not guaranteed to install only xorg and it'll get harder to do this as time goes on
[05:49] <greg__> Kamion:: i didnt unpack them yet, so i dont know exact names of packages
[05:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) greg__: no package called xorg either
[05:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) there's a source package called xorg
[05:49] <sirfred> Hi.
[05:50] <n00bzter> hi
[05:50] <sirfred> Kamion: Do you know if the experimental dri drivers (the mach64 one) have been built in some package?
[05:50] <n00bzter> i got a litll problem
[05:50] <n00bzter> little*
[05:50] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, just ask
[05:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sirfred: no idea, sorry
[05:51] <sirfred> Kamion: OK
[05:51] <PorscheBoy> kamion, ur command works man
[05:51] <n00bzter> i insalled ubuntu but there isnt any graphical enviroment... after i reboot i got just the plain back enviroment dos style
[05:51] <PorscheBoy> it's installing xorg right now
[05:51] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, watry, or did you upgrade to hoary?
[05:52] <eruin> n00bzter, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:52] <n00bzter> warty
[05:52] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, or did you do anything, like try the binary drivers or anything?
[05:52] <n00bzter> just after i downloaded
[05:52] <n00bzter> the cd
[05:53] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, try sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: did you boot the CD in any unusual way?
[05:53] <n00bzter> Kamion nope...
[05:53] <n00bzter> Gwildor will try
[05:53] <eruin> he probably skipped the last step
[05:53] <n00bzter> Kamion just formated my SuSE
[05:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: did you get a menu after the first reboot?
[05:53] <n00bzter> Kamion yes it was something about time zones
[05:54] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: ok; did you go all the way through that? there's plenty of stuff after the timezone question
[05:54] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: including installing the graphical environment
[05:54] <morteoh> how do i get pdf-printing in OOo with ubuntu?
[05:54] <n00bzter> Kamion in havent asked me such thinks
[05:54] <Depht> morteoh, do you not see the button on the tool bar?
[05:55] <n00bzter> it just prompted for CD and downloaded some perl stuff
[05:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu) n00bzter: that sounds like you booted in custom mode
[05:55] <morteoh> Depht: ah, I think I have used print to get pdf's before.. but I saw the icon now.. yes, thanks :)
[05:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu) or that something else was badly broken
[05:56] <n00bzter> Kamion humpf
[05:56] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, is it fixing?
[05:56] <n00bzter> Gwildor ill try the download graphic
[05:57] <Gwildor_> n00bzter, try sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:57] <Gwildor_> just to refresh
[05:57] <n00bzter> Gwildor ahum right away
[05:58] <zhangb> can someone tell me how to access exchange email from evolution?  i installed evolution, evolution-exchange packages...
[06:00] <morteoh> how do i get rhythmbox to play mp3's ?
[06:00] <Depht> morteoh, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:00] <kent_> morteoh, download gstreamer-plugings-mad from the restricted archive. Its on the homepage i think.
[06:01] <kent_> morteoh,  Depth might have the name more correct than me,   :)
[06:01] <morteoh> Depht: hm, i don't see it.. maybe it is in universe?
[06:01] <Depht> morteoh, it's not in main because of the patent things...
[06:01] <morteoh> ah, ok..
[06:02] <morteoh> rhythmbox should give an errormessage when it can't play an mp3, not just freeze :P
[06:02] <Depht> I would expect it to now actually; what does totem do?
[06:02] <morteoh> not sure, but i have gstreamer0.8-mad now
[06:03] <morteoh> so it works :)
[06:04] <eruin> morteoh, it did here
[06:04] <eruin> a long list of "no decoder for mp3 files"
[06:05] <morteoh> eruin: ok, you started it from the commandline then?
[06:08] <eruin> no
[06:09] <AciD> hey
[06:09] <AciD> i just want to tell that i just received my official ubuntu's cds
[06:09] <AciD> it rox :)
[06:10] <eruin> I wouldn't have tried ubuntu if it werent for those cds ;P
[06:10] <xiximkopp> hi there! is there any progress on usplash???
[06:10] <eruin> and would I be sorry
[06:10] <eruin> usplash?
[06:11] <xiximkopp> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[06:11] <HWolf> eruin: A utility to provide a graphical boot proscess without kernel-patches.
[06:11] <eruin> ah
[06:11] <eruin> like rhgb?
[06:11] <kensai> AciD, when you received them>?
[06:11] <HWolf> xixim, Don't hold your breath. Daniel's awnser to that would be 'hopefully in the coming months'
[06:12] <xiximkopp> ok
[06:13] <AciD> kensai > today
[06:13] <AciD> this afternoon to be more precise
[06:13] <PorscheBoy> how come nvidia driver doesn't work on my system
[06:13] <PorscheBoy> it worked before i formatted the drive
[06:15] <kensai> PorscheBoy, yo did sudo nvidia-glx enable ?
[06:15] <mumeishi> I need to install nvidia drivers but need to exit xwindows. Can anyone tell me how to do this please?
[06:15] <PorscheBoy> not yet
[06:15] <kensai> PorscheBoy, thats it then
[06:15] (BeanDip/#ubuntu) mumeishi, ctrl-alt-F1
[06:15] <PorscheBoy> well, i know that u don't need to do that...all u have to do is change "nv" to "nvidia"
[06:16] <kensai> mumeishi, binarydriverhowto in www.ubuntulinux.org
[06:16] <kensai> PorscheBoy, no In ubuntu you need to do that
[06:16] <mumeishi> Thank you. I'll take a look
[06:16] <PorscheBoy> damn, my xserver is messed up
[06:17] <PorscheBoy> i just upgraded to x.org and not after typing sudo nvidia-glx-config enable, it wants the XFree86Config-4
[06:17] <Depht> BeanDip, that doesn't quit X, just takes you to another console
[06:17] <kent_> What would happen if i install Ubuntu and already have a /home with "kent" directory. Will it be overwritten if i create a user kent when installing? or will the program that adds users use the old dir?
[06:17] <PorscheBoy> not=now, typo
[06:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent_: that's fine, we just call adduser and it won't overwrite an existing home directory
[06:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent_: just be careful during partitioning; you'll have to use manual partitioning
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> who is running hoary in here?
[06:19] <kensai> PorscheBoy, 90% of us
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> ok, great
[06:19] <Depht> how stable is hoary right now? in terms of crashing that is, not as in changing
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> kensai, do u have a slow desktop refresh problem?
[06:20] <kensai> PorscheBoy, But I configure nvidia driver in XFree and then upgrade to Xorg
[06:20] <kensai> PorscheBoy, nope no problem here
[06:21] <kent_> Kamion, thanks. I was only interested in if adduser overwrites directorys..
[06:21] <mxpxpod> Depht: fairly stable for me running it on an ibook g4
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> reason y i downgraded to warty cause in hoary the Desktop would take forever for a file to appear after i downloaded something to the Desktop
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> so they fixed that problem?
[06:21] <daniels> PorscheBoy: apt-get install gamin
[06:21] <daniels> alternately, just keep the ubuntu-desktop package installed
[06:21] <eruin> any of you noticed microsoft has released directx for bsd ?
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> daniels, what's that?
[06:22] <Depht> PorscheBoy, actually, I think that's an issue with gnome in general, if you open the Desktop dir notmally and refresh, things appear
[06:22] <mxpxpod> PorscheBoy: replacement for fam
[06:22] <kensai> PorscheBoy, right I forgot about gamin
[06:22] <kensai> sorry
[06:22] <PorscheBoy> what's gamin?
[06:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) 17:22 < mxpxpod> PorscheBoy: replacement for fam
[06:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (fam == file access monitor)
[06:23] <mxpxpod> thanks Kamion
[06:23] <Depht> and more to the point, what's the logic behind the name? the site won't tell me in english
[06:23] <PorscheBoy> daniels, can u tell me what does gamin do?
[06:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: it monitors files or directories for change
[06:23] <eruin> gnome access monitor'in ? :P
[06:23] <kensai> PorscheBoy, it fix your problem making refreshing desktop faster
[06:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: and gives other programs notifications if there are changes
[06:24] <PorscheBoy> great
[06:24] <mxpxpod> PorscheBoy: yeah, I had the same problem until I installed gamin... just so you know
[06:24] <PorscheBoy> ok i'm gonna upgrade to hoary now
[06:24] <PorscheBoy> cause i like using the latest apps
[06:24] <PorscheBoy> thnx a lot guys
[06:25] <AciD> I must say ubuntu is really, really neat
[06:25] (crimsun/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: upgrade-itis?
[06:25] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ;)
[06:26] <AciD> it'll definitly make some windows-only users I know switching to linux :)
[06:26] <Robe> yo.
[06:26] <AciD> good job to those who contributed to it
[06:26] <Robe> whom do I have to poke to get my mirror listed?
[06:26] <PorscheBoy> crimsun, lol...what's that?
[06:26] <eruin> where on earth can I get/install the grub found on the livecd?
[06:26] (crimsun/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: the constant need to upgrade
[06:26] <eruin> it's purdy!
[06:26] <PorscheBoy> ok
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> i'm gonna download the hoary image and burn so i don
[06:27] <richardjbuckley> Does anyone here use SKYPE with ubuntu?
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> ....
[06:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: add it to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive and follow the extra contact instructions on that page
[06:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you don't use a CD to upgrade
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> so i don't run into upgrade-error crap
[06:27] <Deft> richardjbuckley, I have skype installed, but haven't actually used it yet
[06:27] <richardjbuckley> Which version and how did you install it as I
[06:28] <PorscheBoy> kamion, what should i do?
[06:28] <Deft> latest version, used alient to make a deb
[06:28] <Deft> *alien
[06:28] <richardjbuckley> 've been looking but found little info on the subject
[06:28] <Deft> 'fakeroot alient --to-deb whatever.rpm'
[06:28] <Deft> *alien, what is wrong with me?
[06:28] <richardjbuckley> Do you have any tips for me?
[06:28] (crimsun/#ubuntu) richardjbuckley: yes, I do.
[06:28] <Ruffian|JANE|> how can I get Ubuntu to identify my external USB CD-RW
[06:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: well, if you want to install from scratch, sure, use a CD
[06:29] <PorscheBoy> ok, i gotta download the daily hoary iso now
[06:30] <Ruffian|JANE|> !!
[06:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: as the guy who builds the CD images, I recommend against the daily image
[06:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: use Array CD 1 as announced on ubuntu-users, which stands a much better chance of working
[06:30] <Robe> Kamion: thanks
[06:30] <Deft> I shouldn't have come here today; I'm going to have to upgrade now... this is going to be debian sid all over again
[06:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: the installer is in a considerable amount of flux right now, and it doesn't sound like you want to deal with that
[06:31] <Robe> Kamion: the page is immutable
[06:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: log in
[06:31] <PorscheBoy> kamion, ok...where do i go to get that CD 1?
[06:32] <mumeishi> OK, Ctrl-Alt-F1 took me out of xwindows but the driver still claims that I'm running an X server. Any ideas
[06:32] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: "as announced on ubuntu-users". see the list archives, lists.ubuntu.com
[06:32] <mumeishi> nvidia driver that is
[06:32] (rjek/#ubuntu) mumeishi: That's almost certainly because you are.
[06:32] <kent_> mumeishi, you have to shutdown X, not get out of it.  "/etc/init.d/gdm stop"
[06:32] (rjek/#ubuntu) mumeishi: Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't normally quit the X server, it just switches out of it.
[06:32] <mumeishi> Ah
[06:32] <kensai> mumeishi, just do apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:32] <Deft> mumeishi, you shouldn't need to quit X, just restart after installation
[06:33] <mumeishi> Sorry if I sound naive. I only started using Linux today. A bit of a newbie
[06:33] <PorscheBoy> kamion, should i just do apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:33] <Deft> follow the instructions on the wiki then; probably the best way
[06:33] <mumeishi> Ta!
[06:35] <Deft> ok, I'm going to go the the whole of hoary; even evms and the things I've removed.  What could go wrong with that plan?!
[06:35] <Robe> Kamion: well, I'm logged in now but it's still immutable ;)
[06:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you have the ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop packages installed, that should work smoothly
[06:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: if you don't, you're to some extent on your own
[06:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: shift-reload there have been some caching issues
[06:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) er, meant to be some punctuation in there somewhere
[06:36] <enabl> anyone know of a list of known working tv cards in linux?
[06:36] <Deft> is trashapplet now in gnome-applets?
[06:36] <Ruffian|JANE|> YES! HES GONE!
[06:37] <Deft> that's a nice thing to say
[06:37] (BeanDip/#ubuntu) gnome-panel-screenshot is missing from unbuntu?!?!?!
[06:37] (BeanDip/#ubuntu) wierd
[06:37] <kensai> BeanDip, it isn;t done in 2.9.1
[06:37] <seb128> hoary you mean ?
[06:37] <seb128> it has been moved in gnome-utils upstream but they have not released a tarball with it yet
[06:38] <kensai> BeanDip, it's a gnome 2.9.1 problem I mean
[06:38] (BeanDip/#ubuntu) I see
[06:38] <Robe> Kamion: doesn't help
[06:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Robe: hm, don't know :( e-mail me the details (cjwatson@canonical.com), I'll see what I can do
[06:39] <Robe> ok
[06:40] <slash_> ciao
[06:41] <slash_> hi
[06:41] <slash_> is there anyone herE?
[06:41] <Deft> yes
[06:41] <kensai> lol
[06:43] <Robe> Kamion: sent, thanks for your time
[06:45] <Deft> is it likely that esound will be out of hoary? just noticed that on the seed page
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: there will be a replacement
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +-
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: a compatible one
[06:45] <Despair> ld: BFD 2.15 assertion fail ../../bfd/linker.c:619
[06:45] <Despair> :/
[06:46] <Robe> yet another sound daemon? :P
[06:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: what are you building?
[06:46] <Deft> Treenaks, I just don't like esound
[06:46] <Deft> really I want gnome to use something I can circumvent entirely
[06:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: it'll use "dmix"
[06:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: so other alsa apps will be able to play sound as well
[06:47] <Deft> Treenaks, I have hardware mixing, so that's a non issue...
[06:47] <Despair> Treenaks: If you meant me, kernel. I get that with every kernel I've tried to compile, with ubuntu's config or with my own. Ubuntu sources, or newer. Even more worrisome is the kernels PANIC on attempts to boot them.
[06:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: still... you don't have to circumvent anything
[06:48] <Deft> just want to be able to have that startup sound without running an app that hasn't been updated in 4 years
[06:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: strange, sounds like bad hardware then
[06:48] <cenerentola> hey ppl, maybe it jus at little rotfl, BUT... who knows where can i get programming ruby 2nd edition on the net?
[06:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: the new esound replacement is pretty new
[06:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: ask jdub
[06:48] <Deft> Treenaks, huh? anything that goes straight to alsa is fine; just gnome apps won't do sound effects without esound, which I don't like to run on principle
[06:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: there's a replacement for esound.
[06:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: deal with it.
[06:50] <Deft> I'm dealing with it now; just I want that startup sound when I log in! :)
[06:51] <zenwhen> I dont have any issues with esound.
[06:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: the problem with alsa is that it doesn't work on, say, Solaris
[06:51] (bronson/#ubuntu) Treenaks: any URL for the esd replacement?
[06:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: so you need an abstracting layer
[06:51] <zenwhen> The only thing I dont use it for is Mplayer because sound gets unsynched.
[06:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/polypaudio/ I think
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) polypaudio is a sound server for Linux and other Unix like operating systems. It is intended to be an improved drop-in replacement for the Enlightened Sound Daemon (ESOUND). In addition to the features ESOUND provides polypaudio has:
[06:52] (bronson/#ubuntu) Oh great.
[06:52] (bronson/#ubuntu) Yet more standards.
[06:52] (bronson/#ubuntu) "standards"  :)
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) bronson: that's the beauty of standards ;) there are so many to choose from ;)
[06:52] <Deft> found it already thanks; maybe I'm not being clear... I would like gnome to be able to skip the sound server and just go straight to alsa, which isn't possible at the moment: the choices are esound or nothing
[06:53] (bronson/#ubuntu) Deft: just turn off esd in the control panel.
[06:53] (bronson/#ubuntu) Worked for me...
[06:53] <PorscheBoy> hoary array 1.ISO comes with x.org 6.8.1, right?
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Deft: the problem is portability..
[06:53] <Deft> bronson, I do, but that means no login sound effect; and also no warning sounds and all that stuff
[06:54] (bronson/#ubuntu) True.  All Gnome sounds are silenced.
[06:54] (bronson/#ubuntu) That's a good thing in my book.  :)
[06:54] (bronson/#ubuntu) All important sounds still play fine.
[06:54] <Deft> Treenaks, hence, I'm not going to demand gnome just uses alsa or anything, just that I can pass sounds straight through to also without running a sound server for no reason
[06:54] <Deft> *alsa
[06:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) IIRC, wasn't the trend to switch gnome to use gstreamer at some point, so that you can then use a suitable gstreamer sink?
[06:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) (of course, doesn't do much good now)
[06:55] <Deft> that would be the best thing in my opinion...
[06:56] (bronson/#ubuntu) Why doesn't gnome use MAS?
[06:56] (bronson/#ubuntu) That seems to be what X.org is tending towards.
[06:56] <paper> Afternoon all.
[06:57] <paper> anyone have a spare second or two?
[06:57] (bronson/#ubuntu) paper: don't ask to ask...
[06:57] <paper> okay
[06:57] <paper> noted.
[06:57] <paper> :)
[06:58] (bronson/#ubuntu) Well, I can only hope that audio servers are like window managers were 3-4 years ago.
[06:58] <paper> I am trying to compile enlightenment0.16.7.1 apt-get installed a older version
[06:58] <paper> anyways
[06:58] <paper> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:58] <morteoh> paper: apt-get install build-essential
[06:58] <paper> thats it
[06:58] <paper> thanks :)
[06:58] <morteoh> you probably need more than that, but it's a stasrt
[06:58] <morteoh> start
[06:59] <morteoh> noe sure what deps E uses
[06:59] <paper> are you all developers?
[06:59] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: yes
[06:59] <PorscheBoy> great
[06:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) I'd start with apt-get build-dep enlightenment, and hope that most of what the new version needs is there
[06:59] <paper> mjr i am in enlightenment right now :)
[06:59] (bronson/#ubuntu) gotta run.
[06:59] <PorscheBoy> kamion, i'm downloading hoary array 1 like u said
[06:59] <paper> i am just trying to upgrade to a newer version that isnt on the apt repo list
[07:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) paper, yes, and I was helping you do just that
[07:00] <paper> mjr aye, it is working now
[07:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: I hope you know that that will be an install from scratch and therefore erase your existing data, unless you've been careful with partitioning
[07:00] <paper> out of every distro i have tried, this is by far my favorite, you guys did a great job.
[07:00] <PorscheBoy> i noticed that when i installed daily build haory i had locale problem when tring to open synaptic
[07:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: yes, known X.org bug
[07:01] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels is working on fixing that
[07:01] <PorscheBoy> kamion, so i still gonna have that locale problem?
[07:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: for a while, yeah
[07:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (unless it's already been fixed without my noticing)
[07:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: this is a *development distribution*; expect problems of arbitrary severity.
[07:03] <PorscheBoy> ok...i can deal with that...but if i install gamin it should fix that refresh problem, right?
[07:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sure
[07:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) believe so
[07:06] <morteoh> hm, will warty start using firefox 1.0 soon?
[07:07] <paper> no idea
[07:09] <morteoh> it was using PR1 for a while.. but then they started using 0.9.3 instaad
[07:09] <morteoh> instead
[07:09] <paper> hrmm, i just started using ubuntu yesterdat honestly
[07:10] <paper> and now im hooked, and will use no other distro
[07:11] <paper> still trying to figure out what the heck gkrellm themes are under cant seem to find them thru the apt repo
[07:13] <paper> anyone fimiliar with laptop-mode ?
[07:14] <PorscheBoy> what is a good cd-burning software for gnome?
[07:14] <paper> PorscheBoy, what are you burning?
[07:14] <PorscheBoy> ISO
[07:14] <paper> command line
[07:14] <paper> :)
[07:14] (mjr/#ubuntu) nautilus is good for what it does, and what it doesn't, well, there is no good ones available
[07:14] <PorscheBoy> lol
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) morteoh: no, warty won't change beyond security updates and critical bug fixes
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) morteoh: firefox 1.0's in hoary
[07:14] (mjr/#ubuntu) you got an ISO, just right-click it in nautilus and burn away
[07:14] <paper> cdrecord -v -speed=(speed here) -dev=0,0(your cd) iso
[07:14] <PorscheBoy> mjr, can i erase cdrw with nautilus?
[07:15] (mjr/#ubuntu) you should, iirc
[07:15] <PorscheBoy> iirc?
[07:15] <paper> or just use nautilus hehe
[07:15] (mjr/#ubuntu) if I recall correctly
[07:15] <paper> mjr do you use gkrellm or gdesklets by any chance?
[07:15] (mjr/#ubuntu) no
[07:16] <paper> any sort of system monitoring software?
[07:16] <morteoh> applications -> system tools -> system monitor?
[07:16] (mjr/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy, hmm, the option is conspicuously absent from the actual GUI, while it is in the documentation
[07:16] <paper> morteoh, yah i know about that one, I just like a little eye candy
[07:17] <PorscheBoy> mjr, how do u erase a cdrw disc in gnome?
[07:17] <PorscheBoy> i need to erase one right now
[07:18] (mjr/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy, apparently you don't in Ubuntu. See man cdrecord and the blank option
[07:18] <paper> cdrecord -v -speed=(speed here) -dev=0,0(your cdrom here) iso
[07:19] (mjr/#ubuntu) dev=/dev/hdc or whatever, I'd say. And black=fast to blank the disk first
[07:19] (mjr/#ubuntu) duh, blank=fast
[07:19] <paper> yeah was reading the man pages to look for that heh
[07:19] <PorscheBoy> man cdrecord sucks
[07:20] <paper> other then enlightenment, what is another light/fast window manager?
[07:20] <paper> PorscheBoy, heh
[07:20] <PorscheBoy> paper, how do u erase a cdrw using record since u know so much about it?
[07:21] <paper> PorscheBoy, i dont know so much about it at all, I do believe however mjr is correct witht he blank=fast option
[07:22] <paper> I have never blanked a cdrw
[07:22] <PorscheBoy> but cdrecord can't even find my burner
[07:22] <paper> hrmm
[07:22] <PorscheBoy> so it sucks
[07:22] <paper> what is the error you get
[07:22] <paper> well honestly, i could be wrong
[07:22] <paper> but most all cd burning suites are a gui frontend to cdrecord, i think
[07:22] <PorscheBoy> Cannot open '/dev/sg*'
[07:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) did you do the dev=/dev/hdc thing like I said
[07:23] (mjr/#ubuntu) (assuming hdc is your writer)
[07:23] <PorscheBoy> no
[07:23] <paper> what is in your /etc/fstab?
[07:23] <PorscheBoy> let me do it now
[07:23] <PorscheBoy> same error crap
[07:23] <paper> and that error is?
[07:23] (mjr/#ubuntu) hmh, was it ATAPI:/dev/hdc then
[07:25] <paper> and sg* PorscheBoy is scsi, im assuimg your cdrom is ide
[07:25] <paper> try running cdrecord -scanbus
[07:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) forget about the scsi crap
[07:29] <paper> oh
[07:29] <paper> ok
[07:29] <paper> :)
[07:31] <jcole> whats the config program for open office that asks you to select the jdk?
[07:32] <Despair> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-binutils/2004-08/msg00043.html -- seems redhat has a fix for the assertion fails, at least.
[07:32] <mojo> has any fixed the error = 21 of Cedega in Ubuntu HOary?
[07:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mojo: look in the wiki/bugzilla for a solution
[07:43] <linux_mafia> what are people using to read rss/atom etc feeds? so far ive only tried liferea, but it seems hella buggy, and crashes regularly
[07:43] <kent_> linux_mafia, tried blam?
[07:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mozilla's livebookmarks :)
[07:45] <linux_mafia> kent_, actually yeah i forgot, i did try that, i liked it, but clicking on links seemed to do nothing, didnt open in my browser, that a blam problem, or desktop config?
[07:46] <kent_> linux_mafia, well. I think you have to use blam to add those rss-files,   clicking in the browser will not make it work.
[07:47] <linux_mafia> kent_, you misunderstand, in blam, a post/comment (not sure what to call ;)) may contain links to urls for reference, clicking on those does nothing
[07:48] <kapputu> which is the linux source package? linux-headers or linux-source?
[07:48] <kent_> linux_mafia, oh.  That might be true, i used blam for a while, but went back to just browsing those things in firefox.
[07:49] <kapputu> or to phrase it otherwise, how do I install ubuntu source
[07:49] <linux_mafia> kent_, yeah maybe that'll have to be the go for now, cheers anyway
[07:50] <__daniel> hai
[07:53] <cowbud> anyone have any inspiron 1100 problems with ubuntu?
[07:53] <cowbud> it booted fine forever then X started screwing up
[07:54] <Scognito> hi all
[07:55] <Scognito> lots (or even ALL) themes i tried to load in gdm, make gdm to not start and i get the error: "bad alpha specifier format .7"
[07:55] <Scognito> i use hoary
[07:57] <kent_> Scognito, Hoary is unstable. You realy should use the Stable Warty if you want a working computer.
[07:57] <Scognito> i know
[07:58] <Scognito> but maybe i can help improving hoary
[07:58] <Scognito> if someone has some solution i can test
[08:02] <ra|PB> hello
[08:03] <ra|PB> can anyone tell me where i can set the gdm resolution?
[08:04] <morteoh> ra|PB: it's the same as your X-resolution..
[08:05] <morteoh> if you want to change that, you have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config
[08:05] <ra|PB> thx
[08:08] <eruin> oh god
[08:08] <eruin> 1m lovely powersnow back home
[08:09] <Gwildor_> ?
[08:09] <eruin> powder*
[08:09] <ra|PB> could it be possible that the file is named "XF86Config-4"
[08:09] <ra|PB> there is not XF86Config in /etc/X11 but one with -4
[08:09] <Gwildor_> sure
[08:10] <Gwildor_> that is it
[08:10] <cowbud> what is the page that shows the patches submitted by ubuntu to debian?
[08:16] (clee/#ubuntu) heh.
[08:16] (clee/#ubuntu) so have you guys all seen http://xdesktopwaves.sf.net/
[08:16] (clee/#ubuntu) ?
[08:17] <eruin> jeg drivermusikkmisjon
[08:17] <eruin> ack
[08:17] <jdz_> Has anyone tried using LTSP with Ubuntu?
[08:17] <eruin> sorry, wrong window
[08:19] <eruin> I wish gnome-panel supported flashing when an app sent the urgent hint
[08:19] <daniels> clee: pass the pipe
[08:19] (clee/#ubuntu) daniels: :)
[08:19] (clee/#ubuntu) daniels: dude, it's awesome
[08:20] <Gwildor_> what that url you posted?
[08:20] (clee/#ubuntu) looks pretty good with ubuntu's default brown color and -colortheme 7
[08:20] <Despair> cvs binutils get rid of the assert fail messages.
[08:20] (clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: yeah
[08:20] <Gwildor_> clee, seems pretty cool...is it a hog, whats the performance like?
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) defaults to attempting 20fps here
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) and it's taking up 15-20% CPU
[08:21] <Gwildor_> twill work with Xorg....right?
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) yeah, I'm running Xorg
[08:21] <Gwildor_> 15-20%, tats a bit much
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) just make sure you have xlibs-dev installed
[08:21] <Gwildor_> thats
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) it's pretty tweakable
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) and I'm running it in "kill my CPU" mode :)
[08:21] (clee/#ubuntu) (on a 1.8GHz opteron.)
[08:21] <Gwildor_> clee, doesn't xlibs-dev cause a problem......or is it fixed...or am I wrong?
[08:21] <jdz_> Is it possible to search the mailing lists?
[08:22] <daniels> Gwildor_: no, xlibs-dev is fine
[08:22] <Gwildor_> clee, I think itd be sweet if it were on a livecd, to show how COOL linux is.....hehe
[08:22] <Gwildor_> beat this fishtand screensaver
[08:22] (clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: ... you used to use Gentoo, didn't you?
[08:22] <Gwildor_> fishtank*
[08:22] <Gwildor_> clee, no gentoo
[08:22] <cowbud> are there already test packages for X.ORG on ubuntu?
[08:23] (clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: yes. in Hoary.
[08:23] <Gwildor_> cowbud, xorg is in hoary
[08:23] <cowbud> ahh I need to change my sources!!
[08:23] <Gwildor_> yes
[08:23] (clee/#ubuntu) yes.
[08:23] <cowbud> cool maybe that will fix my other problems..
[08:23] <Gwildor_> maybe, or maybe it will cause more problems
[08:23] <cowbud> what other goodies does hoary have (just quick zing ones ;) )
[08:23] <cowbud> Gwildor: yah that will be fun too
[08:24] <socomm> Are there any mods around, you may want to add this to the chans topic http://google.endofinternet.net/
[08:24] <socomm> :^)
[08:24] (clee/#ubuntu) yeah, so with the "kill my CPU" mode turned off, it's only taking up ... 0% cpu
[08:24] <cowbud> wtf is kill my CPU mode
[08:24] (clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: http://xdesktopwaves.sf.net/
[08:24] <Gwildor_> clee, hows it look at that setting?
[08:24] (clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: I'm playing with it
[08:24] <eruin> haha thats nice socomm
[08:24] (clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: it looks fine; there's an option you can pass to cause it to constantly agitate the desktop, which is called "wavesbystorm" which I was using
[08:25] (clee/#ubuntu) Gwildor_: if you don't turn it on though, it goes idle in the background
[08:25] <f00fbug> :/
[08:25] <Gwildor_> clee, ahh, isee
[08:25] (clee/#ubuntu) (when all of the waves have stopped)
[08:25] <cowbud> blah enlightenment come back to haunt basically..
[08:25] <eruin> that site tried opening a popup, though, so I deem it evil
[08:25] <Gwildor_> yeah
[08:25] (clee/#ubuntu) cowbud: no, not at all.
[08:25] <cowbud> clee: it looks that way..
[08:25] <Gwildor_> eruin, pop-ups with FF?
[08:25] <eruin> Gwildor, yes
[08:26] <Gwildor_> eruin, never heard of it
[08:26] <eruin> Gwildor, if you know some basica js and html, opening a popup even with the ff blocker on is easy
[08:26] <Gwildor_> eruin, true, but it doesn't happen........
[08:26] <f00fbug> http://rafb.net/paste/results/xT3Hkk10.html
[08:26] <f00fbug> :(
[08:27] <socomm> eruin: no pop-up here, but you're right there are ways around FF's pop-up blocking.
[08:28] <f00fbug> what should i do? i mean some useful output would be nice. :/
[08:28] <Gwildor_> maybe check your acces privleges?
[08:28] <f00fbug> did
[08:29] <f00fbug> hmm
[08:30] <f00fbug> grr...
[08:30] <UnIData> hi, i'm new user (ubuntu), how start iptables ?
[08:31] <Electroglas> Be gentle on me please... I am new to IRC and Linux. I need help with the game port not showing up as JS0 in /dev or /dev/input...
[08:31] <f00fbug> hmm
[08:32] <g3r4rd0> UnIData, do you know how to configure iptables in any linux??
[08:32] <socomm> Electroglas: What sort of pad are you trying to use?
[08:32] <f00fbug> great
[08:32] <Despair> Electroglas: It should be js0, not JS0. Case matters in linux.
[08:32] <f00fbug> so i run it as root
[08:32] <Electroglas> lsmod shows the game port module:
[08:32] <Electroglas> gameport 4736 1 snd_ens1371
[08:32] <Gwildor_> f00fbug, it works?
[08:32] <f00fbug> and now it loads the extensions datasource.... an infinite amount of times
[08:33] <g3r4rd0> UnIData, if you don't, try installing firestarter ;)
[08:33] <f00fbug> Gwildor_: no
[08:33] <Electroglas> gedit /etc/modutils/alsa-base shows:   above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss    options joystick=0x200
[08:33] <socomm> Electroglas: try searching under /.dev
[08:34] <f00fbug> maybe ill reinstall.. whatelse can you do with binary packages.. sigh
[08:34] <Electroglas> Do you mean a hidden file? or the directory /dev?
[08:35] <f00fbug> its odd though
[08:35] <f00fbug> it used to work until i messed up the profiles stuff
[08:36] <f00fbug> then i tried to fix it and it started segfaulting :/
[08:36] <f00fbug> now we are "loading the extensions datasource" from t=0 to inf
[08:37] <Gwildor_> f00fbug, yeah, maye just try to re-install, so you can have default setting , and start over
[08:37] <f00fbug> dmm
[08:37] <f00fbug> i did
[08:37] <f00fbug> it didnt work
[08:37] <Gwildor_> f00fbug, still the same?
[08:37] <f00fbug> yeah
[08:37] <f00fbug> :(
[08:37] <Gwildor_> sorry, I have no idea
[08:38] <andre1> never used im and new to linux - any suggestions on returning my taskbar to its original size. Somehow I managed to enlarge it to huge -the icons dominate the desktop. thanks
[08:38] <Gwildor_> icons.....i think you have to re-size individually...with a right click
[08:38] <socomm> Electroglas: Yes, slash dot dev `/.dev'
[08:39] <Gwildor_> barb?
[08:39] <wasabi> What is hte /srv directory?
[08:40] <carlos> wasabi: the place to store server data like ftp/web trees
[08:41] <wasabi> i thought that was /var .)
[08:41] <wasabi> according to fhs
[08:41] <Electroglas> I did a search and do not see /.dev   What dir is it in?
[08:41] <carlos> wasabi: read the latest fhs
[08:41] <wasabi> oh apparently not
[08:41] <wasabi> i just saw it
[08:41] <carlos> wasabi: it's /srv now for data
[08:41] <jovian> andrel just the icons in the toolbar are large or the desktop ones as well?
[08:41] <andre1> I tried rt clicking to no avail - is there a tool or task bar app?
[08:42] <wasabi> good idea.
[08:42] <Agrajag> right-click > properties > change size back to 24 pixels > hit close
[08:42] <socomm> Electroglas: `cd /.dev'
[08:42] <socomm> Electroglas: it's under the root directory, not `/dev/'
[08:43] <andre1> just the toolbar icons are enlarged.  The desktop is fine
[08:43] <Agrajag> andre1: yeah, so do what I said
[08:43] <jovian> then follow Agrajag direections above if you don't get i right away just try a different part of the bar
[08:43] (clee/#ubuntu) hmmm
[08:43] (clee/#ubuntu) /srv
[08:43] (clee/#ubuntu) sounds neat
[08:44] <Agrajag> right click the gnome panel, choose properties, set size back to 24 pixels
[08:44] <Electroglas> The only j is jbm
[08:44] <daniels> clee: /srv is love
[08:44] <daniels> clee: we're using it on gabe
[08:46] <mirak> hi
[08:46] <mirak> I have troubles with apt-build
[08:46] <mirak> isn't apt-build supposed to get the unmet dependcies ?
[08:46] <andre1> almost there. thank-you! Size is about right just need to get it back to the top of the screen
[08:47] <Electroglas> So, no js0 in /.dev
[08:47] (clee/#ubuntu) daniels: heh, nice
[08:48] (clee/#ubuntu) daniels: so, I noticed that you already blogged about the shiny crack ;)
[08:48] <jovian> andre1, same thing except its orientation (right above where you changed the size)
[08:49] <BuddaQ22> Can anyone please tell me how to get postfix to accept connections from the internet, not just localhost.
[08:49] <iz> yup
[08:49] <iz> edit main.cf
[08:49] <iz> and add your hostname
[08:50] <iz> and edit master.cf
[08:51] <iz> 127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
[08:51] <iz> remove the 127.0.0.1
[08:51] (clee/#ubuntu) http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=130283&cid=10866658
[08:51] (clee/#ubuntu) Heh.
[08:51] (clee/#ubuntu) Three shall be the number of the seating and the number of the seating shall be three. Four shalt thou not seat, neither shalt thou seat two, excepting that thou then also seateth passenger three. Five is right out.
[08:51] <BuddaQ22> Will try
[08:51] <iz> ::1:smtp       inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
[08:52] <iz> and this line also remove the ::1:
[08:52] <iz> stop postfix en start it
[08:53] <BuddaQ22> awesome, thanks iz
[08:53] <iz> :)
[08:55] <andre1> jovian thank-you. Much easier on the eyes now.
[08:55] <jovian> np
[08:55] <ra|PB> how can i exit gnome w/o seeing anything?
[08:56] <iz> ra|PB, ?
[08:56] <Electroglas> Still no game port working... if I do ls input in /.dev, it shows js0
[08:56] <iz> alt ctrl backspace?
[08:57] <ra|PB> i am running ubuntu in a virtual machine. and 24bit color mode is nor supported.. so i cant see anything atm
[08:57] <ra|PB> ah thx
[08:57] <ra|PB> :))
[08:57] <iz> but you use vmware?
[08:58] <ra|PB> i am on a mac. i use VirtualPC to emulate a x86 environment
[08:59] <ra|PB> aaahhh gnome keeps restarting
[09:00] <Electroglas> Now how do I test js0? Is there a test mode or an application in Ubuntu that would allow me to see if the port sees my button presses?
[09:00] <iz> ra|PB, do alt crlt f2
[09:00] <iz> kill gdm
[09:02] <ra|PB> yeh worked fine
[09:02] <leonel> totem can't play  audio/mpeg
[09:02] <leonel> what I missed to install ?
[09:03] <leonel> totem can't play  video/mpeg
[09:03] <Agrajag> Electroglas: .dev is static dev, you'll see it there even if it's not plugged in
[09:03] <leonel> and audio/mpeg
[09:03] <iz> leonel, read wifi
[09:04] <Agrajag> Electroglas: apt-get install joystick
[09:04] <leonel> wifi ?
[09:04] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) iz, wiki
[09:04] <cowbud> does ubuntu provide support for nvidia drivers out of the box?
[09:04] <Agrajag> then try jstest /dev/input/js0
[09:04] <leonel> ok
[09:04] <leonel> wiki
[09:04] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) yep
[09:04] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) leonel, ;-)
[09:04] <Agrajag> cowbud: you have to apt-get install nvidia-glx yourself, but otherwise they work fine
[09:04] <iz> wiki sory
[09:05] <cowbud> Agrajag: and that is the binary drivers?
[09:05] <Agrajag> cowbud: yes
[09:05] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) anybody has anything negative to say about ati radeon on linux? i'm an nvidia guy never dealt with ati
[09:05] <cowbud> Agrajag: cool
[09:05] <Agrajag> _lemsx1_:  their drivers suck balls
[09:05] <Electroglas> Agrajag - is jstest installed by default or do I need to download?  command not found
[09:05] <Agrajag> Electroglas: I told you, apt-get install joystick
[09:05] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) Agrajag, do they work with 2.6.x kernels?
[09:05] <Agrajag> _lemsx1_: yes
[09:05] <Agrajag> they have since last january
[09:05] <cowbud> _lemsx1_: stay away
[09:06] <cowbud> _lemsx1_: I have a 9800 Radeon Pro and I am sorry!
[09:06] <Agrajag> oh
[09:06] <Agrajag> you mean ati durr
[09:06] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) cowbud, oh man
[09:06] <Agrajag> no, I don't know about ati's drivers
[09:06] <Agrajag> I think you may still have to patch them
[09:06] <cowbud> _lemsx1_: I ran a nvidia geforce 4 before and I am close to reinstalling it
[09:06] <Agrajag> but anyway, if you're looking for a video card to use in linux, don't even consider anything except nvidia
[09:07] <Agrajag> if you want 3d working at all
[09:07] <cowbud> Agrajag: yep
[09:07] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) i got this nice (supposedly) card yesterday... but didn't open it yet until i find out. it's ati 9550 with 256mb ddr
[09:07] <cowbud> 3d works for ATI it just sucks balls
[09:07] <cowbud> their drivers are a pain in the ass and are sometimes the source of lockups..
[09:07] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) Agrajag, i have an nvidia... always used nvidia... i love nvidia :-)
[09:08] <Despair> cowbud: For negative values of "works". They get parts of OpenGL 1.1 wrong, nevermind the 1.3-1.5 they claim to support...
[09:08] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) ummm, i guess that pretty much summarizes my fears :-) i'll just return the darng thing. i don't want to re-learn this whole thing
[09:09] <cowbud> I think that most people who tried ATI are sorry they did..
[09:10] <Despair> Depends. Older ATI is still the best choice for non-x86/open source drivers.
[09:10] <cowbud> Despair: sure but I am referring to the gaming crowd..
[09:10] <cowbud> the people who would actually bother with ATI's drivers..
[09:11] <Electroglas> Agrajag, jstest /dev/input/js0 shows no device/directory. Do I need to restart something after installing jstest?
[09:11] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) cowbud, i don't game that much... but the ones i do play i'd love to see them "better" ... and the only other game i might play more is really American Army (armyops)
[09:11] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) :-)
[09:12] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) cowbud, my nvidia geforce fx 400 is reaching the limit
[09:12] <Electroglas> no file or directory
[09:13] <Agrajag> Electroglas: nope
[09:13] <Agrajag> You don't have a joystick working properly if that node isn't showing up
[09:14] <Agrajag> do "lsmod|grep joydev" and see if they joystick module is even running
[09:14] <Electroglas> Nothing returned
[09:14] <Agrajag> sudo modprobe joydev
[09:14] <Agrajag> onw see if that node is there
[09:15] <Electroglas> nothing returned on modprobe joydev
[09:16] <Agrajag> it shouldn't.
[09:16] <Agrajag> is that node there, /dev/input/js0?
[09:17] <Electroglas> no
[09:17] <Agrajag> try unplugging and plugging the joystick
[09:18] <Agrajag> and do dmesg, see if the joydev driver is reprting anything to the kernel
[09:18] <Agrajag> something like: input: USB HID v1.10 Joystick [GreenAsia Inc.    USB Joystick     ]  on usb-0000:00:0e.1-1
[09:18] <Agrajag> that's what mine reports
[09:19] <Electroglas> This is on the game port and not USB - It is a dictation controller that has the pins soldered together to emulate a gamepad
[09:20] <Agrajag> oh
[09:20] <Despair> great. the kernel panic is a separate issue from the binutils bug. :/
[09:20] <Agrajag> egh, what even supports the gameport, is that ALSA's job?
[09:21] <Despair> Agrajag: depends on the gameport. if it's on a sound card, ALSA gets stuck with it.
[09:21] <Electroglas> SB16 PCI game port on the card
[09:21] <Agrajag> yep
[09:22] <Electroglas> I have this in alsa-base:   above snd-pcm snd-pcm-oss    options joystick=0x200
[09:22] <jmhodges_> hey, i just swapped out my nvidia card for an ati 9800 pro..
[09:22] <Electroglas> I added the joystick line after some research
[09:23] <jmhodges_> what do i need to install? it seems like i need the fglrx-* bits, but is there anything i can use with XOrg?
[09:24] <jmhodges> i know its a silly question.. but my google skills get weak when im stuck in links heh
[09:26] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, ati uh? we just pour some dirt on those cards a while ago (few minutes actually)
[09:27] <UnIData> how start iptables service, thx
[09:27] <Despair> jmhodges: with xorg, you can't use fglrx, yet. Maybe in december.
[09:27] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, let me know how that goes... i might need to do the same (i get 30 days to try it :-))
[09:27] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, oh, listen to that ... lol
[09:28] <ra|PB> thanks for assistance. my ubuntu environment seems to work fine now
[09:28] <jmhodges> heh, damn
[09:29] <jmhodges> ok..
[09:29] <m00se> hi
[09:30] <m00se> what's the difference between linux-image-foo and kernel-image-foo?
[09:31] <Electroglas> Sb16 PCI onboard game port - game port not working - sound is fine - jstest fails. Any ideas on how to get this working?
[09:32] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) kernel-image -> debian way; linux-image -> ubuntu's way
[09:32] <m00se> _lemsx1_, thx
[09:32] <jdz_> m00se, kernal-images are in universe, and are unsuported
[09:34] <m00se> ok, i see
[09:34] <Electroglas> Gameport is need for dictation pedal - trying to convert my secretaries desktop to Ubuntu
[09:34] <jmhodges> gahh.. ok.. when removing xorg and installing xfree86.. what pkgs, other than xserver-xfree86, should i (re)install ?
[09:35] <jmhodges> x-window-system-core?
[09:36] <jmhodges> nope.. thats not it
[09:37] <jmhodges> hm.. reboto
[09:41] <jmhodges> ok.. stupid question number 2
[09:42] <jmhodges> what pkg do i need to install now to get libGL.so working?
[09:42] <jmhodges> i think nvidia-glx was the one that had it before.. hm.. it should be a mesa pkg now right?
[09:43] <ZoBo> i am from south africa-boerklong
[09:44] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, mesa is fine... but ati probably has their own gl drivers (glx)
[09:44] <jmhodges> hrm..
[09:44] <jmhodges> oh i found something odd.. xlibglu-mesa was installed on my system
[09:45] <jmhodges> thats the problem
[09:45] <jmhodges> thanks _lemsx1_
[09:45] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, you might have to do some homework at ati.com... i was doing the same for a while... i will replace an nvidia with an ati today just for the heck of it. and then return the darng thing if i don't like it
[09:45] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, how do you know that's the problem?
[09:45] <ZoBo> what is the time
[09:45] <jmhodges> _lemsx1_ because apt-cache search mesa tells me that the xlibmesa* are for XOrg
[09:46] <jmhodges> hmm.. but im getting errors now..
[09:46] <ZoBo> go to www.boerklong.co.za
[09:47] <jmhodges> ah, got it
[09:47] <jmhodges> nope..
[09:47] <jmhodges> dammit all
[09:47] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, you are too tense.. relax
[09:48] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, you won't solve all issues magically at once... take it one step at a time and possibly write everything you are doing
[09:48] <jmhodges> heh, yeah..
[09:48] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, then post it in some blog or ubuntu's wiki :-)
[09:49] <jmhodges> hehe
[09:49] <Deft> wow, gcalctool's basic mode is even more spectacular than I was expecting...
[09:50] <cowbud> yah too bad it still takes longer than xcalc to load..
[09:50] <jmhodges> ahh.. hmm
[09:51] <jmhodges> i cant seem to find the command to tell me what pkg provides a certain file
[09:51] <jmhodges> does anyone know it?
[09:51] <cowbud> what file are you looking for
[09:51] <cowbud> dpkg -S sometimes works
[09:51] <cowbud> and apt-cache search blah
[09:51] <cowbud> but I believe -S is if you have the package already installed..
[09:51] <Scognito> apt-file
[09:51] <jmhodges> ah ok
[09:51] <jmhodges> thanks guys
[09:51] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges, man dpkg .. dpkg -S /path/to/file
[09:52] <Scognito> if haven't
[09:52] <Deft> random dev suggestion: the circle busy-cursor makes it seem as though you can't do anything when something busy
[09:52] <cowbud> Deft: ahh good point
[09:52] <cowbud> ;)
[09:53] <cowbud> here is a random dev. suggestion all ethernet devices should by default have dhcpd looking for broadcast IPs unless someone configures them otherwise...
[09:54] <jmhodges> ah, you know.. i bet its because all of my config files are all messed up.. i kept expecting them to be cleaned up for me automagically
[09:54] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) jmhodges,  lol... no such thing for /dev/X11/*conf files
[09:54] <simont> dumb question, but what command can I use to see my different partitions, I need to mount some windows partitions but I don't know what hda# they are
[09:56] <mx|gone> simont: ls /dev/hda*
[09:56] <mx|gone> :)
[09:56] <jdz_> simont, you can try "sudo cfdisk /dev/hda"
[09:56] <jmhodges> _lemsx1_ heh..
[09:56] <cowbud> fdisk -l /dev/hda
[09:56] <cowbud> :)
[09:56] <cowbud> as root
[09:57] (_lemsx1_/#ubuntu) as root or any user in "disk" group :-)
[09:57] <cowbud> yeah
[09:57] <jdz_> cowbud, interesting, thanks
[09:58] <WW> techno-newb question: Anything special to look for in a microphone to use with my computer?
[09:58] <cowbud> jdz_: np :)
[09:59] <jdz_> WW, make sure the wire can plug your computer :)
[09:59] <WW> jdz_: Yeah, that's a good start! :)
[10:00] <ssam> do you have a mic socket or a line in socket?
[10:00] <WW> Is the color coding of connectors fairly standard?
[10:00] <WW> The mic socket on my pc is pink.
[10:00] <Deft> not on microphones, just on the sockets
[10:00] <Agrajag> yes
[10:00] <Agrajag> pink for mic, blue line-in, green line-out
[10:00] <Deft> it's black or grey on most mics
[10:01] <WW> Deft: So it isn't a simple as buying a microphone with a pink connector... ?
[10:01] <Deft> if the connector looks right, it's almost certain it is; there are only really two sizes of audio plug for microphones, and you can't get them confused
[10:02] <jmhodges> hunh.. ok.. so what do i need to run to get X configured? or rather, how did it get configured by my install cd?
[10:03] <Deft> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-whichever should be good
[10:04] <jmhodges> hmm. ok thanks
[10:06] <Deft> does anyone know if mailcheck-applet is just temporarily missing, or if it's gone for good?
[10:07] <jmhodges> ah, that was it
[10:07] <jmhodges> thanks a ton Deft
[10:12] <skar> hi, how do i disable artsd completely
[10:21] <PorscheBoy> how come i can't install nvidia under hoary?
[10:21] <Gwildor_> follow the wiki howto
[10:22] <Gwildor_> bonobo, binaryhowto
[10:22] <Gwildor_> he never listens to me
[10:22] <Gwildor_> porcheboy, hmm, maybe I should have read your question
[10:22] <Gwildor_> sorry
[10:23] <PorscheBoy> Gwildor, i followed the instructions on ubuntu.org but i got an error message
[10:23] <Gwildor_> PorscheBoy, that's cuz the current drivers are for Xfree...you have Xorg now
[10:24] <luis_> hi all i have a problem
[10:24] <luis_> i have installed ubuntu
[10:24] <PorscheBoy> yes
[10:24] <luis_> but the graphical mode dusnt work
[10:24] <luis_> wot is the problem?
[10:24] <PorscheBoy> so, how do i get it to run on xorg?
[10:24] <Deft> works badly? works not at all?
[10:24] <Slackman> hey, can i get just 1 package from  hoary?
[10:24] <Gwildor_> luis_, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop     ...i think it s
[10:25] <Gwildor_> Slackman, if you want........not really recomended
[10:25] <Slackman> Gwildor erm how would i go about it...i just want firefox 1.0
[10:25] <luis_> gwildor, i try to enter to the graphic mode but it happens an error
[10:26] <PorscheBoy> Gwildor, u think that cause i removed ubuntu-desktop that's y nvidia driver won't install?
[10:26] <luis_> and also it says my card is bad configurated
[10:26] <Gwildor_> slackman, open synaptic, go to setting, repositories, change the word warty to hoary, in all of the lists, im not sure where FF is, then after you get it, change hoary back to warty
[10:26] <socomm> PorscheBoy: have you tried installing nVidia drivers by hand?
[10:27] <Gwildor_> PorscheBoy, I really have no idea, im just a newb, but I KNOW that the drivers are for XFREE, and you now use XORG
[10:27] <Gwildor_> luis_, I have no idea
[10:27] <Slackman> Gwildor, is there a way i can add a hoary source and tell it to just use that with apt...i remember from using debian a while back something like this was possible
[10:27] <socomm> Gwildor: it's the same driver, you just need to reinstall it for xorg.
[10:28] <Slackman> like apt-get install fire-fox hoary ...etc..?
[10:28] <Gwildor_> socomm, oh......sorry
[10:28] <socomm> Slackman: /etc/apt/sources.lst
[10:28] <Gwildor_> slackman, I think the only way is how I said to do it.......but I could be dead wrong
[10:28] <socomm> Slackman: synaptic is just a frontend for apt.
[10:28] <Slackman> Gwildor thanks...
[10:28] <Gwildor_> slackman, yup
[10:29] <RedMenace> Does anyone know if the ATI graphics drivers can be installed on the 64bit Ubuntu distro?
[10:29] <Slackman> socomm, yeh i realise this, but i'm not overly familiar with apt, only used debian a few times
[10:29] <Gwildor_> RedMenace, can you search for it in synaptic?
[10:29] <RedMenace> Ummmm, I haven't tried that.  I just know they're available as rpms on the ATI site.
[10:29] <Gwildor_> RedMenace, or did you not install ubuntu?
[10:30] (mjr/#ubuntu) RedMenace, I don't believe ATI has 64 bit drivers (yet, anyway)
[10:30] <RedMenace> Bummer
[10:31] <Gwildor_> and he's out
[10:34] <WW> Off topic but important: Is there some place to report email scams?  I recently received one of those "update your Paypal account" scam emails.
[10:37] <Chibi> WW- Are you sure it was a scam? :P
[10:37] <WW> Chibi: I don't have a Paypal account. )
[10:37] <Chibi> Paypal gives those out alot. So it's hard to tell sometimes. :P
[10:37] <Tomcat_> WW: If you're in the US, the Dept of Commerce might be a good place.
[10:38] <Deft> does anyone know the installed size of xserver-xfree86?
[10:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) Deft: apt-cache show xserver-xfree86
[10:40] <Deft> thanks, never realised just how much info that gave
[10:42] <will> anyone knowledgeable on opengl?
[10:44] <WW> Tomcat_: Thanks for the suggestion.
[10:44] <Tomcat_> :)
[10:44] <WW> A bit of googling also turned up this: http://www.elsop.com/wrc/complain.htm
[10:45] <will> i need to enable opengl.....getting 60 fps with glxgears!
[10:45] <Gwildor_> smoking 60, that thing got racing stripes?
[10:46] <Gwildor_> will, ati or nvidea
[10:49] <Tomcat_> omg... ipw2200 on CD and WLAN working in install... so great. :)
[10:51] <will> Gwildor: intel 82810 Controller
[10:53] <will> Gwildor_: its built into the intel 810 chipset :( no drivers on their website
[10:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) i810 should be supported by DRI, which is included in Ubuntu (albeit a bit old a version)
[10:55] (mjr/#ubuntu) http://dri.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/Intel?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[10:56] <will> mjr: thanks!!!!
[10:56] <will> mjr: could not find one reference anywhere to the 810 in linux!!!
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) if I recall correctly, it uses main memory; you might want to make sure that your machine is set up so that the video hardware gets a sizable chunk of the memory so that it has memory for the driver to function
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) (my radeon 7500 which has 16 megs of video ram only works in DRI mode when I start X in 800x600; so you might want to try giving it more than 16 megs ;)
[10:58] <will> thats true, but its a compaq deskpro....cant configure the memory from the bios
[10:58] (mjr/#ubuntu) I seem to recall that there might be some kernel parameters or X server config options for it, but you'll have to look up eg. the DRI mailing lists for spesifics
[10:59] <will> mjr: thanks! will have a look now
[10:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) anyway, /var/log/XFree86.0.log might say something about why DRI isn't enabled
[10:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) (might either confirm or deny my memory theory)
[11:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) you did check that glxinfo says "Direct rendering: no", yes?
[11:00] <jind> It's possible to disable dri from the kernel config
[11:00] <will> mjr: im running hoary with x.org
[11:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, oh yeah, another thing; I'm not sure but i810 _might_ have been supported with 3d acceleration only at 16 bpp, you might try that
[11:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, oh well, there should be an xorg.0.log or something there anyways
[11:01] <jind> So it might not work with dri if the kernel isn't compiled with support for it
[11:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) the Ubuntu kernels have DRI support at least for Radeons
[11:01] <will> mjr: direct rendering = No!
[11:02] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, yep, that was just to check that it really isn't enabled and that the glxgears isn't some other problem
[11:02] <will> okay will check the log
[11:02] <wasabi> How does one request support for a package in universe?
[11:02] <wasabi> I'd like to see it in main. I can make a case for it.
[11:02] (mjr/#ubuntu) hmm, interesting
[11:03] (mjr/#ubuntu) it appears that the Ubuntu kernel (at least Warty's) does not have the i810 module
[11:03] <daniels> it does
[11:03] <will> mjr: what!:! where did you find that?
[11:03] (mjr/#ubuntu) daniels, does it?
[11:04] (mjr/#ubuntu) char/drm has only gamma, radeon, r128, sis and tdfx.ko's for me
[11:04] (mjr/#ubuntu) ah, silly me
[11:05] (mjr/#ubuntu) I was looking at the amd64 kernel, the x86 kernel does seem to have the i810 module
[11:05] (mjr/#ubuntu) so you can come down now, will :)
[11:05] <sleon|tuX> hi
[11:05] <sleon|tuX> i have some questions:
[11:05] <sleon|tuX> does ubunut linux have grafical configuration tools?
[11:06] <will> mjr: i have S&%t loads of stuff in the x.org log about the gfx, shall i paste it into #flood?
[11:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, dcc send me the log, rather
[11:06] <sleon|tuX> how well does it play with KDE? or is it mainly gnome distribution?
[11:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) sleon|tuX, it has for some administration tasks.
[11:06] <jind> warthy has i810
[11:06] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: kde is fine
[11:06] <sleon|tuX> should i use other distribution when i want to use kde?
[11:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) Mainly gnome, kde is available but unsupported
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> thx
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> are there any stability issues with kde?
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> i heard some issues with fonts too
[11:07] (mjr/#ubuntu) jind, yes, I corrected myself already :)
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> kde has fonts problems and in ubuntu
[11:07] <jind> :-)
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> and looks horrible
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> is this true?
[11:07] <sleon|tuX> which kde version do you have?
[11:08] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, ah, here be the culprit:
[11:08] (mjr/#ubuntu) (**) I810(0): DRI is disabled because it runs only at 16-bit depth.
[11:08] <will> hahaha!
[11:08] (mjr/#ubuntu) it was as I vaguely recalled
[11:08] <will> okay so change the x.org config?
[11:08] <sleon|tuX> is gnome 2.8 stable enough??
[11:08] (mjr/#ubuntu) yes, change the DefaultDepth line to be 16
[11:08] <will> mjr: u were correct :)
[11:08] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: yes
[11:09] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, i gonna install it to some computer idiots
[11:09] <sleon|tuX> i mean then don't know anything about computers
[11:09] <sleon|tuX> is ubuntu linux userfriendly?
[11:09] (mjr/#ubuntu) ubuntu is user friendly, but why do want kde then? ;P
[11:10] <sleon|tuX> cause it is more windows like
[11:10] <sleon|tuX> and is more integrated
[11:10] <sleon|tuX> all kde apps have same look and feel
[11:10] <sleon|tuX> it makes all much easier
[11:10] <Deft> is "the KDE is more windows like" thing at all true any more?
[11:10] <sleon|tuX> all windows user i know use kde
[11:10] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, it's not that integrated into Ubuntu system
[11:10] <sleon|tuX> they say gnome is "ugly"
[11:10] (mjr/#ubuntu) +the
[11:11] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: you should try it and see yourself
[11:11] <Deft> ah, KDE and Windows both have the tackiness thing going, that's true
[11:11] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, i have only 12 hours
[11:11] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, 6 hours download , then also i need some sleep
[11:11] <sleon|tuX> or should i better take mandrake linux 10.1?
[11:11] <mirak> hi
[11:11] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, anyway, if you're set on KDE, I wouldn't go with Ubuntu, though it's a great distro otherwise and you _can_ of course use KDE on top of it
[11:11] <will> gnome is great...even on my celeron 500 ...thats living proof!
[11:11] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: you're aware of asking it in a ubuntu channel? :-)
[11:11] <mirak> there is still no way to have kde applications appearing in gnome menu ?
[11:12] (jdub/#ubuntu) mirak: next release
[11:12] <sleon|tuX> yes
[11:12] <mirak> ok
[11:12] <will> mjr: do i need to restart x for changes?
[11:12] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, sure
[11:12] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, yes
[11:12] <mirak> jdub: cool :)
[11:12] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, why not? you can not lie to me :)
[11:12] <will> see you soon ppl bye
[11:12] <Solkaris> anyone tell me where to change the default XCursor?
[11:12] <mirak> jdub: whn will be out the next release ?
[11:13] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: ubuntu installation is very simple and gnome is very straight-forward in usability, so i think this is exactly something for YOUR users :-)
[11:13] <Solkaris> or does anyone know where to find a gcursor .deb?
[11:13] (jdub/#ubuntu) mirak: preview in march, final in april
[11:13] <__daniel> (and you :-))
[11:13] <mirak> jdub: ?
[11:13] <sleon|tuX> does recent ubuntu linux useses more up to date software then of mandrake 10.1?
[11:13] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, nice , ok
[11:13] <mirak> pff come on
[11:13] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, and hardware support?
[11:13] (mjr/#ubuntu) for the record, I also think that for clueless people Ubuntu/Gnome is exactly right ;)
[11:13] <mirak> jdub: I don't ask kde support
[11:13] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: i'm not sure how recent mandrake is, but ubuntu were the first to ship gnome2.8 ;-)
[11:13] <mirak> That's not even related to kde apps in fact
[11:14] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, for example for windomodems? hsf winmodem it has a driver, is this driver included into ubuntu?
[11:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) mirak: you asked when the next release would be, i answered.
[11:14] <mirak> I just want to have apps in the menu
[11:14] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, or do i need to install it manually?
[11:14] <mirak> jdub: yes thanks
[11:14] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: i'm not sure about winmodem stuff
[11:14] <BradB> i've had gnome hang on me twice today with warty on ppc. anyone else experiencing this?
[11:15] <sleon|tuX> hm ok
[11:15] (mjr/#ubuntu) BradB, no, but then, I'm running amd64
[11:15] (mjr/#ubuntu) very stable
[11:15] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: but have a look in the wiki about hardware support
[11:15] <Rene_S> Oh crap, I woke up at assault the developer hour.
[11:15] <mirak> jdub: well I manage to have kde apps appearing by tweaking the .desktop files in /usr/sahere/applications, but maybe there is hack to do somwhere to have them always in good format or accepted in gnome menu
[11:15] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, and where is wiki?
[11:16] <Solkaris> anyone help with GCursor binary loc or tell me how to change the Xcursor theme?
[11:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) mirak: that will all be fixed up in gnome 2.10, which will be in our next release
[11:16] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:16] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, thx, does ubuntu useses something like kudzu of fedoracore?
[11:17] <mirak> jdub: are you a programmer ?
[11:17] <sleon|tuX> i mean  is there some daemon which automatically configures your hardware?
[11:18] (mjr/#ubuntu) sleon|tuX, hotplug takes care of that
[11:18] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: kudzu, but hal+udev+discover+hotplug do their job
[11:18] (mjr/#ubuntu) yes, and those too ;)
[11:18] <mirak> jdub: I code, maybe you could indicate me where to search if I want to try fixing that before nect release ?
[11:18] <sleon|tuX> THX
[11:18] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: erm... NO kudzu :)
[11:18] <sleon|tuX> a ok
[11:18] <sleon|tuX> ok ppl
[11:18] <sleon|tuX> i will try that and i will tell you results tomorrow :)
[11:18] <__daniel> sleon|tuX: coooool! :-)
[11:18] <sleon|tuX> thanks for all answers :)))))))))
[11:19] <sleon|tuX> __daniel, :D
[11:19] (jdub/#ubuntu) mirak: it's already being worked on upstream in gnome
[11:19] (jdub/#ubuntu) mirak: it's implemented in current cvs
[11:19] <mirak> jdub: ok, I will check that I am curious
[11:21] <Scognito> __daniel, are you a dev?
[11:21] <Scognito> or are you related to ubuntu project
[11:21] <__daniel> Scognito: related only in using+loving+bugreporting it :-)
[11:22] <__daniel> Scognito: well and standing on the developers feet sometimes :-)
[11:23] <BradB> nobody running warty on ppc here that can confirm that gnome hangs once in a while for them?
[11:23] <Scognito> :)
[11:24] <Scognito> don't konw if it is a bug what I found: in hoary i cannot add new gdm themes, i got this error: "bad alpha specifier format .7"
[11:25] <Phr0stByte> Scognito: Is hoary final?
[11:25] <__daniel> Phr0stByte: no, it's in development
[11:25] <Scognito> not yet
[11:25] <choulth> Warty is final
[11:25] <choulth> :)
[11:32] <Solkaris> is there a decent list of "non-offical" repositories yet?
[11:36] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: we're trying to avoid the need for 'non-official' repositories, so... hope not :)
[11:37] <Solkaris> well I am not versed enough to build debs .. IE I would not trust what I did .. and there are several apps on gnome-files that would be nice to try and or make life easier but there are no .debs .. so do we just suck it up and live without?
[11:38] <Solkaris> or build from source which means it wont play nice with apt
[11:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) __daniel: when edd's ready, they'll be there
[11:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you can build them in your home directory or /tmp
[11:38] <__daniel> jdub: aren't they fine as they are?
[11:38] <Ruffian|Q|> Hoary Final better have %100 support for Debian Repositories or im going to cry!
[11:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) __daniel: they're not in debian because edd has chosen to not upload them
[11:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) __daniel: i'm not going to second guess his wishes
[11:39] <__daniel> jdub: oh... i see
[11:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) Ruffian|Q|: it won't
[11:39] <__daniel> jdub: i don't understand why, but... alright
[11:39] <Solkaris> yea jdub I just did that with 2 programs .. got broken programs that didnt work at all .. like I said Im not a dev .. so basically if you guys dont feel like doing a build we dont get to use it?
[11:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) Ruffian|Q|: in exactly the same way that woody does not have 100% support for sid repositories
[11:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: unless it's packaged, no
[11:40] <Solkaris> wow .. guess its time to maybe start the distro hunt again .. that sucks
[11:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) erm, dude
[11:40] <Majestic|MEPIS> Solkaris whats going on
[11:40] <mxpxpod> Solkaris: what are you looking for?
[11:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) if your distro doesn't package something, you won't be able to install packages
[11:40] <__daniel> Solkaris: why don't you try *learning* to package those packages?
[11:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) that will happen with every distro
[11:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) but less so with ubuntu
[11:41] <Solkaris> Leafpad .. GCursor .. does anyone look at Gnomefiles?
[11:41] <Solkaris> there is a bunch of software that is not available
[11:41] <mxpxpod> Solkaris: the problem is that a lot of stuff on gnomefiles.org is still in developmental state
[11:41] <__daniel> Solkaris: i guess debian/ubuntu has about the COOLEST people in place... they're faster at packaging than other (commercial) distros are
[11:41] <Solkaris> __daniel if I knew how I would
[11:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: guarantee they're not packaged by red hat, suse, etc.
[11:41] <mxpxpod> Solkaris: if you get someone from debian to package those, they'll get synced to ubuntu's univers
[11:41] <Solkaris> no but there are packages for alot of them
[11:42] <__daniel> Solkaris: the ubuntu developers learnt it too
[11:43] <Solkaris> just not .debs .. and I cant find .debs anywhere .. and when I asked about "unoffical" repos I was told nope and hope their arent any .. not a helpful answer
[11:43] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: getting little bleeding edge programs will always be a problem on every distro
[11:43] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it is a helpful answer -> let's get those packaged up and into debian/ubuntu
[11:43] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: not into unofficial repositories
[11:43] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: software is packaged because people want to use it. first step is building it yourself and trying it out.
[11:44] <Solkaris>  ok can someone point me to a simple english .. no programming experience how to that will teach me how to make .debs from source?
[11:44] <__daniel> Solkaris: you try to talk to the developers of those projects to supply reasonable  /debian/ -directories
[11:44] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: debian.org, developer's corner, new maintainer's guide
[11:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you can also 'apt-get source <package>' to see examples from the ubuntu repository (i'd suggest looking at a gnome example, say gedit)
[11:45] <Rene_S> Its still assault the dev hour.  Glad I am into Photography not Programming
[11:45] <Solkaris> thanks jdub and all .. Ill see what I can do .. just really really frustrated over the little things right now
[11:46] <Slike> maybe a stupid question, but it would help me a lot: what's the default root password?
[11:46] <__daniel> Solkaris: and if a project supplies you with a /debian/-directory in their tarball, you can try   "debuild"  to build packages
[11:46] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slike: there is no root password, root is disabled. see the faq for more info.
[11:46] <Solkaris> love Ubuntu and Gnome .. but then run into something that is just so bloody annoying it makes me want to scream
[11:46] <__daniel> Slike: you have to set it via   sudo passwd (i think)
[11:46] (Unfun/#ubuntu) anyone know why xhost + doesnt work properly?
[11:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) Unfun, the X server is told to -nolisten tcp by defaul
[11:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) t
[11:47] <Solkaris> __daniel that would be great but all the stuff Ive tried so far didnt have that
[11:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: hate to say it, but lack of packages of random stuff on gnomefiles is not really all that significant :)
[11:47] <Slike> the problem is: when I do sudo or su, or I start an application which requires to be root, it just asks for a password
[11:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) so no tcp connections are possible anyways
[11:47] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slike: see the faq. it's asking for your password.
[11:47] <Slike> k...
[11:47] <Slike> thx
[11:48] <__daniel> Solkaris: then look at   apt-get source <something>   and try to talk to the developers - they'll be glad to have a debian/ubuntu tester for their project
[11:48] <Solkaris> jdub not being able to change your freaking xcursor is annoying jdub .. and what isnt significant to you might be to someone else .. saying that is basically telling the other person that their needs are not considered important
[11:48] <Solkaris> sorry for the double jdub in that one
[11:49] <socks> BAck
[11:49] <Hikaru79> lol
[11:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i wasn't talking about ability to change your xcursor.
[11:49] <Solkaris> I understand you dont find it important .. but when a user cant do something and you say its not significant it feels like a slap in the face
[11:49] <socks> It's the inner netting of swimming trunks
[11:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: that is more of an issue with gnome than 'lack of random package from gnomefiles'
[11:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you can change it, but not with the gui (see the cursor standards and freedesktop.org)
[11:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) been on the todo list for the gnome theme manager for a while now
[11:51] <spikeb> heh
[11:51] <Solkaris> this is a useless arguement .. neither side seems to be getting their point across
[11:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: your problem is not lack of packages, but i was responding to the lack of packages issue. sure, that's not helpful.
[11:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: but that's the issue you raised (until you mentioned the cursor stuff).
[11:53] <Slike> thx guys, everything works now :p
[11:53] <Slike> great distro at first sight
[11:53] <Slike> :-)
[11:54] <Solkaris> jdub the cursor thing is an example .. cant use almost anything off of gnomefiles .. while you might not find that all that important .. it is because alot of people got there to see what kind of software is available for gnome .. and then to find non of that usable is a bit annoying considering ubuntu is gnomecentric
[11:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: dude, there's heaps of stuff on gnomefiles packaged already.
[11:54] <Rene_S> Slike, Its a great distro 5 weeks in too :)
[11:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: but there's heaps of stuff that isn't, or is in development, or is too minor for people to worry about, or that no one has been itchy enough to package yet.
[11:55] <Rene_S> I wouldn't mind if some bright soul would .deb NVU :)
[11:55] <Solkaris> so your saying scratch my own itch =)
[11:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: there's lots of stuff on gnomefiles that probably shouldn't be packaged, really. so there are gems, and there are stones. if you've found a gem, let everyone know about it, and either someone will package it, or you can.
[11:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) Rene_S: dunno why that hasn't happened yet - nvu comes from a debian-based distro... perhaps it's annoyingly broken for some reason.
[11:57] <PorscheBoy> df
[11:58] <Rene_S> jdub, hehe I think it might be, however it does work ok in the current format so I dont worry about it too much
[11:58] <Tomcat_> What is missing in Ubuntu if my network connection wasn't up when it tried to install additional packages? (Installing from CD)
[11:58] <Gwildor> how to pm someone?
[11:59] <Gwildor> thats not in this room
[11:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: a network connection ;)
[11:59] <Solkaris> ok so if someone gets packages built .. who do we need to talk to about making them available to others who might want them also? and does this mean I have to package it for debian .. or can I just package based of Ubuntu?
[11:59] <Phr0stByte> heh
[11:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: what kind of network interfaces do you have?
[11:59] <PorscheBoy> home come after i successfully installed nvidia driver and it showed the nvidia logo also...after i restart the machine i got this message "failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module"
[11:59] <seek187> Gwildor, type /msg nick Hi
[11:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: if they're not particularly attractive things for ubuntu support, i'd suggest going via debian
[12:00] <PorscheBoy> any idea?