[12:58] <dilys> Merge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/cscvs--devel--1.0: implement a basic full tree CVS update() (patch-39)
[01:11] (sabdfl/#launchpad) anybody seen weird failures with SQLobject where code works perfectly in one setting and fails in another?
[01:22] <carlos> not here, or I didn't detected it yet
[01:23] <cprov> sabdfl: can you be more specific ? I've got wierd things using SQLO in LP, since today my writes via LP aren't commited in DB 
[01:24] (sabdfl/#launchpad) is there any way to see a listing of all the SQL commands that SQLos is generating?
[01:25] <carlos> sabdfl: What I do is looking at postgresql log
[01:25] <carlos> is not a perfect way to do it, but it helps
[01:35] (sabdfl/#launchpad) carlos: is there a way to make postgres show all the SQL, not just errors?
[01:35] <carlos> sabdfl: yes
[01:35] (sabdfl/#launchpad) how?
[01:35] <carlos> edit /etc/postgresql/postgresql.conf
[01:35] <carlos> and set log_statement = true
[01:36] <carlos> that will dump all queries to the database 
[01:36] <carlos> remember to reload it
[01:41] <salgado> it's good to use a 'log_min_duration_statement = 0'. this way you got the execution time of each statement, too
[02:50] (SteveA/#launchpad) hi carlos
[02:50] <carlos> SteveA: hi
[02:51] (SteveA/#launchpad) do you know the place that the conference is in at all?
[02:51] <carlos> I think it will be in the hotel finally
[02:51] <carlos> but I have never been there before
[02:52] <carlos> if that's what you are asking
[02:52] (SteveA/#launchpad) do you know the surrounding area at all?
[02:52] (SteveA/#launchpad) my girlfriend is visiting right at the end of the conference, but she is trying to find out about opportunities to do horse riding near to there.
[02:52] (SteveA/#launchpad) she is crazy about horses
[02:53] <carlos> I could ask, just a second...
[02:54] <carlos> SteveA: don't know, but it's really close to Barcelona so it should be a place to do it
[02:55] (SteveA/#launchpad) ok, we'll have a look on the web and see what there is
[02:55] (SteveA/#launchpad) thanks
[02:56] <carlos> ok, found a place
[02:56] <carlos> ESCUELA   D'EQUITACIO ELS TRES TOMBS   VEINAT DE MATA, 66   *08307   MATARO   93 757 63 29
[02:56] <carlos> not sure if there is a website
[02:57] <carlos> SteveA: the phone: +34  93 757 63 29
[02:57] <carlos> if they cannot attend you in english, just tell me what do you want to ask and I could call for you
[02:57] (SteveA/#launchpad) that's right in mataro
[02:57] (SteveA/#launchpad) thanks
[02:57] <carlos> SteveA: right
[02:58] (SteveA/#launchpad) ok, aiste will try to call them later, and if communication isn't working, we'll ask for your help
[02:58] (SteveA/#launchpad) thank you carlos
[02:58] <carlos> SteveA: no problem
[03:01] <carlos> SteveA: http://www.centroecuestrellavaneres.com/ <- That's another place, it's near Matar The phone: +34937928802
[03:06] (SteveA/#launchpad) thanks
[06:10] <BradB> elmo: has gnome everyone hung on your powerbook?
[06:10] <BradB> s/everyone/ever/
[06:47] <BradB> ok, getting fairly sick of gnome hanging on me
[06:48] <Kinnison> Does it completely hang; or just lock X?
[06:48] <BradB> that's three times in the past two days...this past time all i was doing was scrolling through the INSTALL file of perl 5.8.5.
[06:48] <Kinnison> I.E. can you ctrl+alt+F1 ?
[06:48] <BradB> Kinnison: i'm not sure. i tried various key combos to kill X and nothing happened.
[06:48] <BradB> ok, see i didn't know about that one.
[06:48] <BradB> i was doing ctrl + alt + delete (i.e. backspace on a pb)
[06:49] <Kinnison> ctrl+alt+f1 should drop you to a text console
[06:49] <BradB> but whether it's "just" hanging X, or hanging everything, this is getting annoying.
[06:53] <BradB> er, yeah, i do recall that one actually (just switching to console rather than trying to kill X), just didn't think to do it. oh well, i'll try the next time maybe.
[06:54] <Kinnison> If it happens; check if you've started something which has grabbed mouse/keyboard input and got lost
[06:54] <Kinnison> rhythmbox is a good one for that
[06:57] <BradB> Kinnison: has gnome hung on you too?
[06:57] <Kinnison> BradB: It hung up for my dad. The last time it did it was rhythmbox
[06:57] <BradB> eeek, that's embarrassing to hear things about linux desktops hanging. :/
[06:58] <Kinnison> It's X's fantastic tendancy to let apps exclusively grab the mouse/kb and not give them back
[06:58] <Kinnison> yay
[06:58] <kiko> It happens using ion, too.
[06:58] <kiko> firefox is the mail culprit.
[06:59] <BradB> main, you mean?
[06:59] <BradB> that seems to have been the common factor with all the times it hung for me.
[06:59] <kiko> main. yes.
[06:59] <BradB> i'm not running anything fancy at the moment, normally just a terminal, xchat and firefox.
[07:00] <kiko> it's probably not hung -- just focus is in the wrong place.
[07:00] <BradB> kiko: when i can't move my mouse or anything? i'd say it's hung. :)
[07:00] <kiko> wow
[07:00] <kiko> it can't be gnome's fault
[07:00] <kiko> and yet ctrl-alt-bs still kills it?
[07:01] <BradB> like, literally, a few mins ago, i was scrolling down the INSTALL file of perl 5.8.5 and whoop, it stopped scrolling. yay, gnome hung.
[07:01] <kiko> it's not gnome.
[07:01] <BradB> kiko: no, it doesn't.
[07:01] <kiko> it's X.
[07:01] <kiko> oh
[07:01] <kiko> and the network still works?
[07:01] <BradB> as i mentioned ctrl-alt-delete ain't killing it.
[07:01] <BradB> i dunno
[07:01] <kiko> can you try pinging it from another box?
[07:01] <kiko> more likely than not, kernel bug.
[07:01] <BradB> i saw nothing in kernel.log.
[07:01] <kiko> doesn't matter
[07:02] <BradB> i guess the kernel isn't always smart enough to log why it hangs :)
[07:02] <kiko> the hang could simply freeze the kernel in its tracks, no disk access would be relevant 
[07:02] <BradB> bradb@oxygen:~ $ uname -a
[07:02] <BradB> Linux oxygen 2.6.8.1-3-powerpc #1 Thu Nov 18 13:59:38 UTC 2004 ppc GNU/Linux
[07:02] <BradB> bradb@oxygen:~ $
[07:02] <kiko> I dunno..
[07:02] <kiko> but it sounds like a kernel hang.
[07:03] <BradB> kiko: so you're saying that you've had this sort of thing happen too?
[07:03] <kiko> I'm saying that a mouse freeze is 99% of the time a hardware issue, and 1% a software issue. Since your hardware seems to be unquestionable at this point..
[07:03] <Kinnison> If you can ssh in from another machine it's more likely an X issue somewhere. Something to do with mouse or keyboard capture
[07:04] <kiko> of these 1%, I'd say 90% of them were kernel bugs and 10% were X bugs.
[07:04] <kiko> 0% would be gnome bugs. :)
[07:04] <BradB> kiko: i didn't say it was a mouse freeze though. as i say, i had my finger on the page down button scrolling in a terminal, and whoop, dead.
[07:04] <Kinnison> That button would do a mouse capture certainly
[07:05] <Kinnison> you couldn't move the mouse pointer either?
[07:05] <kiko> but the mouse froze, right?
[07:05] <BradB> yes
 kiko: when i can't move my mouse or anything? i'd say it's hung. :)] 
[07:05] <kiko> following the 99-90-10 rationale.. :)
[07:05] <BradB> what i meant though was that it doesn't freeze *as* i was moving my mouse.
[07:06] <kiko> sounds like a kernel issue to me. could be just a misbehaved driver, could be kernel preemption bugs on your hardware, could be something more obscure. 
[07:06] <BradB> kiko: so has gnome hung for you too in ubuntu?
[07:06] <kiko> being honest, "gnome hung" is too ill-defined, but I'd say no.
[07:07] <BradB> kiko: well, have you had it happen that you were working and then all of a sudden could no longer move your mouse or enter any kb input and had to hard reboot your machine?
[07:08] <kiko> never. but I'm on i86. and mind you, don't say "gnome hung" because "gnome" doesn't actually exist as a single piece of software that *could* hang :)
[07:09] <Kinnison> (x86 only of course)
[07:09] <BradB> what kernel are you guys running?
[07:10] <kiko> 2.6.9
[07:10] <Kinnison> 2.6.8.1-3-686
[07:10] <Kinnison> and on the laptop 2.6.7 (debian)
[07:18] <kiko> BradB, first, find out if you can ping the hung machine
[07:19] <kiko> if you can't, the upgrade is likely to make things worse, not better.
[07:19] <BradB> ok
[07:21] <kiko> I'd say sshing in is a better test
[07:21] <kiko> then you can check how X is doing
[07:21] <kiko> and if you can't ssh, well, it's proof it's a kernel thing too.
[07:23] <BradB> that would bring little comfort to having just replaced OS X with Linux :)
[07:27] <kiko> it can happen on non-standard architectures.
[07:27] <kiko> it's rare though.
[10:37] <kiko> BradB, any other hangs so far?
[10:37] <BradB> not yet!
[10:38] <BradB> it'll probably happen before the end of tomorrow though
[10:38] <kiko> remember to ssh in
[10:38] <kiko> so
[10:38] <kiko> what should I take you as a pre-xmas gift?
[10:38] <kiko> you get to choose, isn't that rad
[10:40] <BradB> heh
[10:40] <BradB> a wireless nic that works with pbg4 + linux! :)
[10:41] <Kinnison> Don't we have someone working on a broadcom driver now?
[10:45] <kiko> BradB, an orinoco card?
[10:46] <BradB> i'm not sure what the best nic is for my hardware/software.
[10:56] <BradB> hm, nobody in #ubuntu seems to know either. i might have to get the specifics from elmo.
[10:58] <kiko> he uses orinoco cards, fwiw
[11:00] <BradB> ah. i'm also really curious to know if he's been experiencing the same hanging problems that i've had. i'm still slightly concerned about this OS switch, if this is something i'm going to have to rely on a kernel developer to fix.
[11:02] <kiko> yeah