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| Hoodster | Hi All | 01:05 |
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| sivang | night all | 01:41 |
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| ChrisH | Moin... just posted a revolutionary thought on -doc. ;) I'd like to join our effort into a single book.Let me know what you think. | 02:05 |
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| WW | Hi folks. | 04:57 |
| ChrisH | WW: hey... | 04:58 |
| WW | Have the wiki login accounts been reset lately? | 04:58 |
| ChrisH | Mine works still. | 04:59 |
| WW | Hmmm... maybe I'm having a senior moment... | 04:59 |
| WW | Yes, I am... nevermind! | 04:59 |
| ChrisH | :) | 05:01 |
| WW | Strange... I'm editing a wiki page, and my cursor keys don't work in the editor. | 05:07 |
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| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) good morning | 05:32 | |
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| sivang | ChrisH : Hi | 05:36 |
| sivang | ChrisH : What's up? | 05:36 |
| ChrisH | sivang: read my posting? | 05:42 |
| sivang | ChrisH : Started now :) | 05:42 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: I think it is a very good idea to join the projects | 05:43 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I just don't want to space it apart and it not get done than | 05:43 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) We should do a good job though | 05:43 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Great to hear that. | 05:45 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Currently I'm completely lost. I hear of new organisational wiki pages, new subprojects etc... but I think - just like you - that nothing gets done. | 05:45 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: If we joined it and everyone would get an own section to work it, that would be simpler. | 05:46 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: We are starting to try and get to organized | 05:46 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Let's say: I take the "server/service" part and look for Wiki pages that deal with it. Once they are in the document the Wiki pages can be removed. | 05:46 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: That's why I'm curious about your TOC structure. | 05:47 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: good idea | 05:47 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline | 05:47 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: If we have it too freely like "everybody do what they want" then nobody does anything. | 05:47 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) it can be added to | 05:47 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) agreed | 05:47 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) but we are starting to get to many organization pages | 05:47 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I cannot keep up with where I am supposed to email or loginto to tell everyone what I am doing | 05:48 | |
| ChrisH | I'd like to have a single (!) Wiki page for this documentation project where you (if you like) could propose the TOC structure in a table. | 05:48 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) if I have a patch do I send to the mailing list, bugzilla, or just add it | 05:48 | |
| ChrisH | Then everybody can put their names in where they like to contribute. | 05:48 |
| ChrisH | Every section gets a file in your repository. | 05:48 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well my repository will be moved in the next week | 05:49 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) going to the Ubuntu servers | 05:49 | |
| ChrisH | Still subversion based? | 05:49 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) yes | 05:49 | |
| ChrisH | Great. | 05:49 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I think so | 05:49 | |
| ChrisH | Is anything done automatically to produce a new set of HTML documents after a check-in? | 05:49 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) not yet | 05:50 | |
| sivang | ChrisH : Very good. I agree! | 05:50 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I will need your help with that | 05:50 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Hmmm. Okay. I'll try. :) | 05:50 |
| sivang | ChrisH : THis is much more straightforward approch then we already had, | 05:50 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Okay. :) | 05:50 |
| sivang | I am doing the follow up now :) | 05:50 |
| ChrisH | sivang: I really get the feeling we have so much management that nobody is doing anything. :) | 05:50 |
| ChrisH | sivang: k | 05:50 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: that is what I was saying | 05:51 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: did you look at the current TOC? | 05:52 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) robertj: You still around? | 05:52 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: haven't compared it to other dox like Progeny. But it looks appealing already. | 05:53 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I don't want it compared, we are trying to start fresh not copy :-) | 05:53 | |
| ChrisH | Wasn't there someone posting on the list about an "idiot's guide"? What about that? :) | 05:53 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Nah, just to make sure we don't miss anything. | 05:54 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) that is by the guys at the forem | 05:54 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) they don't really want help | 05:54 | |
| ChrisH | ah, ok | 05:54 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: How about we post the TOC to the list, than people can give suggestions | 05:55 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) but this really has to start soon | 05:55 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Yes! | 05:56 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ok | 05:56 | |
| sivang | The background seciont is mine! | 05:57 |
| sivang | :) | 05:57 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Let's rename the FAQ (but keep the Subversion path for now) to something like "Ubuntu User's Guide" (?) and everybody picks a section. | 05:57 |
| ChrisH | sivang: For colorful desktop backgrounds? :) | 05:57 |
| WW | Wow, are you really considering not having a FAQ? At all? | 05:58 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: lets keep everything how it is right now | 05:59 | |
| ChrisH | WW: I could imagine that the FAQ will become a subset of the user's guide. | 05:59 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: what exactly? | 05:59 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: you mean until we know what we want (on the mailing list)? | 06:00 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: yes | 06:00 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I thought we where moving stuff into the book not the faq? | 06:00 | |
| WW | ChrisH: And that will be easily searchable from the web? So a new user can search for something like "pciehp"? | 06:00 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) the book is clean as far as content, so stuff could be added real easy | 06:00 | |
| sivang | WW : We'll make it searchable from Yelp - Shaun McCane is working on impriving the search option in yelp, ir would be ready for 2.10 | 06:02 |
| sivang | the search option is already avialable in cvs head. | 06:04 |
| WW | sivang: 2.10? What about warty? | 06:04 |
| sivang | WW : well, we could do a backport of it into warty, I'm sure there would be no problem. | 06:05 |
| sivang | When this get's finsih, people with warties would get updated through the regular cycle of aptitude, synatpic or whatever. | 06:05 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well I am going to look at a new car | 06:09 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) bbl | 06:09 | |
| WW | OK, I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Is there a rough estimate for when the new FAQ/Book/whatever will be available? Just ballpark: weeks? months? | 06:10 |
| WW | ... or, more likely, "we don't know yet!" :) | 06:11 |
| ChrisH | Err... I'm still confused. So our two documents will be FAQ and Book/User's Guide? | 06:18 |
| sivang | ChrisH : main document - Ubuntu Handbook | 06:19 |
| ChrisH | 18:00 < hornbeck> I thought we where moving stuff into the book not the faq? | 06:20 |
| ChrisH | That confused me. | 06:20 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well you said to change the faq to another name | 06:20 | |
| sivang | FAQ can be a section in the handbook, and can also be distributed seperatly, however I would like more be it in one bundle | 06:20 |
| ChrisH | So the FAQ is dead? Where is the book? | 06:20 |
| ChrisH | Okay. So the /faq repository will be used for the User's Guide. | 06:20 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) <ChrisH> hornbeck: Let's rename the FAQ (but keep the Subversion path for now) to something like "Ubuntu User's Guide" (?) and everybody picks a section. | 06:20 | |
| ChrisH | Okay... :) | 06:20 |
| sivang | The book should go like "this is the handbook blah blah blah, if you just inrested in common pits and falls, read the FAQ section first" | 06:21 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Sorry. I have a bad flu currently and my brain doesn't work as usual. ;) | 06:21 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I thought we where all going to work on the book? | 06:21 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) in the emails it sounded like we where going to move information into the current book | 06:21 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Will you be preparing the new TOC according to the structure used in /wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline | 06:22 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: hold on one sec | 06:22 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) from what I understood, we where going to move alot of the data from the faq into the current book. Am I wrong? | 06:22 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: Yes. So the "current book" means the "faq repository". | 06:23 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: Why does it mean that and not the "Book repository"? | 06:23 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) The book already has the format for a book | 06:24 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: I mean... is it still the /faq repository we moved from my to you server? | 06:24 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) yes it is the faq repository | 06:24 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: ok | 06:24 |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) man you must be sick | 06:24 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) :-) | 06:24 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) http://69.155.172.150/book | 06:24 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) is where the "Learning Ubuntu" book is located | 06:24 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) that is what I have been working on | 06:24 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) which is what http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline is based on | 06:25 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) all the stuff for a book is already there | 06:25 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) we have started it | 06:25 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) there is no point in starting over | 06:25 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) hello? | 06:30 | |
| (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well I am leaving now, I will be back later | 06:32 | |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: sry, voip | 06:40 |
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| Hoodster | Hi guys. I am looking to contribute again this weekend. However, I have a few questions before I do. | 07:10 |
| ChrisH | sure | 07:11 |
| Hoodster | First, is it necessary that I update via svn? When I try, the url that contained the repository doesn't appear to be accessible. | 07:12 |
| ChrisH | Hoodster: did you notice we switched to http://69.155.172.150/... ? | 07:13 |
| Hoodster | ChrisH: Unfortunately, I did not. BTW - How would I notice that (hehe). | 07:14 |
| ChrisH | Hoodster: :) | 07:14 |
| Hoodster | ChrisH: Is the rest of the URL the same? Do I have to do a full checkout first? | 07:15 |
| ChrisH | Hoodster: run: svn switch --relocate http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq http://69.155.172.150/faq | 07:15 |
| Hoodster | ChrisH: That appears to work. How will I ever remember these commands (hehe) | 07:19 |
| Hoodster | ChrisH: What needs to be done? I can work on various parts, such as more non-free installation issues. I can also add a section on how to automatically mount MSWindows partitions after a fresh install. These are only my suggestions, but I am happy to contribute on other, more important, areas. | 07:27 |
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| ChrisH | plovs_work: What is the status of the XML file currently? Have you changed anything in the contents of the faq-guide.xml? Or is it just a split version of the faq.xml? Because we should adopt hornbeck's structure and I'm not sure where to start. | 07:36 |
| Hoodster | ChrisH: I just remembered, I believe the update worked, but how do I confirm it? Is there a date or some other way I can tell that I have an updated FAQ list? Also, if you don't have any objection to what I proposed earlier, then I will get back to work. My plan is to install so that there is mp3 support. Let me know if there are any objections. | 07:54 |
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| plovs | hi guys | 08:15 |
| Hoodster | Hi plovs | 08:17 |
| Hoodster | I am ready to get back in the contributing stage. I wis thinking of adding to the non-free section, like mp3 if it is not being done already. | 08:18 |
| Hoodster | plovs: What do you think? Alternatively, is there a more urgent area to work on? | 08:18 |
| ChrisH | Hoodster: you will not loose anything if you have the wrong repository. | 08:33 |
| Hoodster | ChrisH: Thank you for replying. That is good to know. I apologize if my questions are a bit of an annoyance. I am sure you and plovs just want people to get to work, and here is this guy Hoodster that keeps asking these mundane questions, geesh (LOL). | 08:38 |
| pl0vs_ | Hoodster, no problem, better ask then not doing anything at all | 08:43 |
| pl0vs_ | ChrisH, nice mail you wrote, we should do with that | 08:44 |
| pl0vs_ | something with that | 08:45 |
| sivang | Hoodster : see the topic :)) | 08:45 |
| sivang | Hoodster : Questions are always welcomed :) | 08:46 |
| Hoodster | sivang: I am glad you clarified that... I thought you were referring to the part on code of conduct (hehe). I do find this to be a great bunch of guys. I will go ahead and add more to the FAQ, submit them and report back here tomorrow. | 08:47 |
| Hoodster | Talk to you later guys! | 08:47 |
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| sivang | Hoodster : ok, look again:) | 08:50 |
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| ChrisH | plovs_work: thanks :) | 10:55 |
| ChrisH | plovs_work: Am I right that you didn't change the content of the .xml files but just the structure? | 11:07 |
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