[01:05] <Hoodster> Hi All
[01:41] <sivang> night all
[02:05] <ChrisH> Moin... just posted a revolutionary thought on -doc. ;) I'd like to join our effort into a single book.Let me know what you think.
[04:57] <WW> Hi folks.
[04:58] <ChrisH> WW: hey...
[04:58] <WW> Have the wiki login accounts been reset lately?
[04:59] <ChrisH> Mine works still.
[04:59] <WW> Hmmm... maybe I'm having a senior moment...
[04:59] <WW> Yes, I am... nevermind!
[05:01] <ChrisH> :)
[05:07] <WW> Strange... I'm editing a wiki page, and my cursor keys don't work in the editor.
[05:32] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) good morning
[05:36] <sivang> ChrisH : Hi
[05:36] <sivang> ChrisH : What's up?
[05:42] <ChrisH> sivang: read my posting? 
[05:42] <sivang> ChrisH : Started now :)
[05:43] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: I think it is a very good idea to join the projects
[05:43] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I just don't want to space it apart and it not get done than
[05:43] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) We should do a good job though
[05:45] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Great to hear that.
[05:45] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Currently I'm completely lost. I hear of new organisational wiki pages, new subprojects etc... but I think - just like you - that nothing gets done.
[05:46] <ChrisH> hornbeck: If we joined it and everyone would get an own section to work it, that would be simpler.
[05:46] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: We are starting to try and get to organized
[05:46] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Let's say: I take the "server/service" part and look for Wiki pages that deal with it. Once they are in the document the Wiki pages can be removed.
[05:47] <ChrisH> hornbeck: That's why I'm curious about your TOC structure.
[05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: good idea
[05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline
[05:47] <ChrisH> hornbeck: If we have it too freely like "everybody do what they want" then nobody does anything.
[05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) it can be added to
[05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) agreed
[05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) but we are starting to get to many organization pages
[05:48] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I cannot keep up with where I am supposed to email or loginto to tell everyone what I am doing
[05:48] <ChrisH> I'd like to have a single (!) Wiki page for this documentation project where you (if you like) could propose the TOC structure in a table.
[05:48] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) if I have a patch do I send to the  mailing list, bugzilla, or just add it
[05:48] <ChrisH> Then everybody can put their names in where they like to contribute.
[05:48] <ChrisH> Every section gets a file in your repository.
[05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well my repository will be moved in the next week
[05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) going to the Ubuntu servers
[05:49] <ChrisH> Still subversion based?
[05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) yes
[05:49] <ChrisH> Great.
[05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I think so
[05:49] <ChrisH> Is anything done automatically to produce a new set of HTML documents after a check-in?
[05:50] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) not yet
[05:50] <sivang> ChrisH : Very good. I agree!
[05:50] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I will need your help with that
[05:50] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Hmmm. Okay. I'll try. :)
[05:50] <sivang> ChrisH : THis is much more straightforward approch then we already had,
[05:50] <ChrisH> sivang: Okay. :)
[05:50] <sivang> I am doing the follow up now :)
[05:50] <ChrisH> sivang: I really get the feeling we have so much management that nobody is doing anything. :)
[05:50] <ChrisH> sivang: k
[05:51] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: that is what I was saying
[05:52] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: did you look at the current TOC?
[05:52] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) robertj: You still around?
[05:53] <ChrisH> hornbeck: haven't compared it to other dox like Progeny. But it looks appealing already.
[05:53] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I don't want it compared, we are trying to start fresh not copy :-)
[05:53] <ChrisH> Wasn't there someone posting on the list about an "idiot's guide"? What about that? :)
[05:54] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Nah, just to make sure we don't miss anything.
[05:54] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) that is by the guys at the forem
[05:54] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) they don't really want help
[05:54] <ChrisH> ah, ok
[05:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: How about we post the TOC to the list, than people can give suggestions
[05:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) but this really has to start soon
[05:56] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Yes!
[05:56] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ok
[05:57] <sivang> The background seciont is mine!
[05:57] <sivang> :)
[05:57] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Let's rename the FAQ (but keep the Subversion path for now) to something like "Ubuntu User's Guide" (?) and everybody picks a section.
[05:57] <ChrisH> sivang: For colorful desktop backgrounds? :)
[05:58] <WW> Wow, are you really considering not having a FAQ?  At all?
[05:59] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: lets keep everything how it is right now
[05:59] <ChrisH> WW: I could imagine that the FAQ will become a subset of the user's guide.
[05:59] <ChrisH> hornbeck: what exactly?
[06:00] <ChrisH> hornbeck: you mean until we know what we want (on the mailing list)?
[06:00] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: yes
[06:00] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I thought we where moving stuff into the book not the faq?
[06:00] <WW> ChrisH: And that will be easily searchable from the web?  So a new user can search for something like "pciehp"?
[06:00] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) the book is clean as far as content, so stuff could be added real easy
[06:02] <sivang> WW : We'll make it searchable from Yelp - Shaun McCane is working on impriving the search option in yelp, ir would be ready for 2.10
[06:04] <sivang> the search option is already avialable in cvs head.
[06:04] <WW> sivang: 2.10? What about warty?  
[06:05] <sivang> WW : well, we could do a backport of it into warty, I'm sure there would be no problem.
[06:05] <sivang> When this get's finsih, people with warties would get updated through the regular cycle of aptitude, synatpic or whatever.
[06:09] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well I am going to look at a new car
[06:09] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) bbl
[06:10] <WW> OK, I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out.  Is there a rough estimate for when the new FAQ/Book/whatever will be available? Just ballpark: weeks? months?
[06:11] <WW> ... or, more likely, "we don't know yet!" :)
[06:18] <ChrisH> Err... I'm still confused. So our two documents will be FAQ and Book/User's Guide?
[06:19] <sivang> ChrisH : main document - Ubuntu Handbook
[06:20] <ChrisH> 18:00 < hornbeck> I thought we where moving stuff into the book not the faq?
[06:20] <ChrisH> That confused me.
[06:20] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well you said to change the faq to another name
[06:20] <sivang> FAQ can be a section in the handbook, and can also be distributed seperatly, however I would like more be it in one bundle
[06:20] <ChrisH> So the FAQ is dead? Where is the book?
[06:20] <ChrisH> Okay. So the /faq repository will be used for the User's Guide.
[06:20] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) <ChrisH> hornbeck: Let's rename the FAQ (but keep the Subversion path for now) to something like "Ubuntu User's Guide" (?) and everybody picks a section.
[06:20] <ChrisH> Okay... :)
[06:21] <sivang> The book should go like "this is the handbook blah blah blah, if you just inrested in common pits and falls, read the FAQ section first"
[06:21] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Sorry. I have a bad flu currently and my brain doesn't work as usual. ;)
[06:21] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I thought we where all going to work on the book?
[06:21] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) in the emails it sounded like we where going to move information into the current book 
[06:22] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Will you be preparing the new TOC according to the structure used in /wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline
[06:22] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: hold on one sec
[06:22] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) from what I understood, we where going to move alot of the data from the faq into the current book.  Am I wrong?
[06:23] <ChrisH> hornbeck: Yes. So the "current book" means the "faq repository".
[06:23] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: Why does it mean that and not the "Book repository"?
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) The book already has the format for a book
[06:24] <ChrisH> hornbeck: I mean... is it still the /faq repository we moved from my to you server?
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) yes it is the faq repository
[06:24] <ChrisH> hornbeck: ok
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) man you must be sick
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) :-)
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) http://69.155.172.150/book
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) is where the "Learning Ubuntu" book is located
[06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) that is what I have been working on
[06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) which is what http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline is based on
[06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) all the stuff for a book is already there
[06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) we have started it
[06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) there is no point in starting over
[06:30] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) hello?
[06:32] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well I am leaving now, I will be back later
[06:40] <ChrisH> hornbeck: sry, voip
[07:10] <Hoodster> Hi guys. I am looking to contribute again this weekend. However, I have a few questions before I do.
[07:11] <ChrisH> sure
[07:12] <Hoodster> First, is it necessary that I update via svn? When I try, the url that contained the repository doesn't appear to be accessible.
[07:13] <ChrisH> Hoodster: did you notice we switched to http://69.155.172.150/... ?
[07:14] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Unfortunately, I did not. BTW - How would I notice that (hehe).
[07:14] <ChrisH> Hoodster: :)
[07:15] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Is the rest of the URL the same? Do I have to do a full checkout first?
[07:15] <ChrisH> Hoodster: run: svn switch --relocate http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq http://69.155.172.150/faq
[07:19] <Hoodster> ChrisH: That appears to work. How will I ever remember these commands (hehe)
[07:27] <Hoodster> ChrisH: What needs to be done? I can work on various parts, such as more non-free installation issues. I can also add a section on how to automatically mount MSWindows partitions after a fresh install. These are only my suggestions, but I am happy to contribute on other, more important, areas.
[07:36] <ChrisH> plovs_work: What is the status of the XML file currently? Have you changed anything in the contents of the faq-guide.xml? Or is it just a split version of the faq.xml? Because we should adopt hornbeck's structure and I'm not sure where to start.
[07:54] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I just remembered, I believe the update worked, but how do I confirm it? Is there a date or some other way I can tell that I have an updated FAQ list? Also, if you don't have any objection to what I proposed earlier, then I will get back to work. My plan is to install so that there is mp3 support. Let me know if there are any objections.
[08:15] <plovs> hi guys
[08:17] <Hoodster> Hi plovs
[08:18] <Hoodster> I am ready to get back in the contributing stage. I wis thinking of adding to the non-free section, like mp3 if it is not being done already.
[08:18] <Hoodster> plovs: What do you think? Alternatively, is there a more urgent area to work on?
[08:33] <ChrisH> Hoodster: you will not loose anything if you have the wrong repository.
[08:38] <Hoodster> ChrisH: Thank you for replying. That is good to know. I apologize if my questions are a bit of an annoyance. I am sure you and plovs just want people to get to work, and here is this guy Hoodster that keeps asking these mundane questions, geesh (LOL).
[08:43] <pl0vs_> Hoodster, no problem, better ask then not doing anything at all
[08:44] <pl0vs_> ChrisH, nice mail you wrote, we should do with that
[08:45] <pl0vs_> something with that
[08:45] <sivang> Hoodster : see the topic :))
[08:46] <sivang> Hoodster : Questions are always welcomed :)
[08:47] <Hoodster> sivang: I am glad you clarified that... I thought you were referring to the part on code of conduct (hehe). I do find this to be a great bunch of guys. I will go ahead and add more to the FAQ, submit them and report back here tomorrow.
[08:47] <Hoodster> Talk to you later guys!
[08:50] <sivang> Hoodster : ok, look again:)
[10:55] <ChrisH> plovs_work: thanks :)
[11:07] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Am I right that you didn't change the content of the .xml files but just the structure?