=== aktsuo [~aktsuo@lns-vlq-26-82-254-143-143.adsl.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Hoodster [~alan@adsl-223-220-238.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:05] Hi All === boost616 [~boost616@c-67-172-68-141.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:41] night all === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boost616 [UNIX@c-67-172-68-141.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boost616 [~boost616@c-67-172-68-141.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === trickie [~trickie@203-217-34-161.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.41] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.41] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.225] has joined #ubuntu-doc === skyrider [~skyrider@ppp3.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] Moin... just posted a revolutionary thought on -doc. ;) I'd like to join our effort into a single book.Let me know what you think. === skyrider [~skyrider@ppp1.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc === boglot [~logbot@mentors.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm-away [~simon@lsanca1.ar5-4.15.64.42.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.225] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pl0vs [~Administr@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc === littlegreenman [~diogo@a83-132-21-86.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === skyrider_univer [~skyrider@kid.stu.cn.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robertj_ [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.66] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WW [~wweckesse@67-138-154-142.dsl1.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:57] Hi folks. [04:58] WW: hey... [04:58] Have the wiki login accounts been reset lately? [04:59] Mine works still. [04:59] Hmmm... maybe I'm having a senior moment... [04:59] Yes, I am... nevermind! [05:01] :) [05:07] Strange... I'm editing a wiki page, and my cursor keys don't work in the editor. === pl0vs [~Administr@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:32] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) good morning === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:36] ChrisH : Hi [05:36] ChrisH : What's up? [05:42] sivang: read my posting? [05:42] ChrisH : Started now :) [05:43] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: I think it is a very good idea to join the projects [05:43] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I just don't want to space it apart and it not get done than [05:43] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) We should do a good job though [05:45] hornbeck: Great to hear that. [05:45] hornbeck: Currently I'm completely lost. I hear of new organisational wiki pages, new subprojects etc... but I think - just like you - that nothing gets done. [05:46] hornbeck: If we joined it and everyone would get an own section to work it, that would be simpler. [05:46] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: We are starting to try and get to organized [05:46] hornbeck: Let's say: I take the "server/service" part and look for Wiki pages that deal with it. Once they are in the document the Wiki pages can be removed. [05:47] hornbeck: That's why I'm curious about your TOC structure. [05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: good idea [05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline [05:47] hornbeck: If we have it too freely like "everybody do what they want" then nobody does anything. [05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) it can be added to [05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) agreed [05:47] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) but we are starting to get to many organization pages [05:48] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I cannot keep up with where I am supposed to email or loginto to tell everyone what I am doing [05:48] I'd like to have a single (!) Wiki page for this documentation project where you (if you like) could propose the TOC structure in a table. [05:48] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) if I have a patch do I send to the mailing list, bugzilla, or just add it [05:48] Then everybody can put their names in where they like to contribute. [05:48] Every section gets a file in your repository. [05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well my repository will be moved in the next week [05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) going to the Ubuntu servers [05:49] Still subversion based? [05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) yes [05:49] Great. [05:49] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I think so [05:49] Is anything done automatically to produce a new set of HTML documents after a check-in? [05:50] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) not yet [05:50] ChrisH : Very good. I agree! [05:50] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I will need your help with that [05:50] hornbeck: Hmmm. Okay. I'll try. :) [05:50] ChrisH : THis is much more straightforward approch then we already had, [05:50] sivang: Okay. :) [05:50] I am doing the follow up now :) [05:50] sivang: I really get the feeling we have so much management that nobody is doing anything. :) [05:50] sivang: k [05:51] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: that is what I was saying [05:52] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: did you look at the current TOC? [05:52] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) robertj: You still around? [05:53] hornbeck: haven't compared it to other dox like Progeny. But it looks appealing already. [05:53] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I don't want it compared, we are trying to start fresh not copy :-) [05:53] Wasn't there someone posting on the list about an "idiot's guide"? What about that? :) [05:54] hornbeck: Nah, just to make sure we don't miss anything. [05:54] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) that is by the guys at the forem [05:54] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) they don't really want help [05:54] ah, ok [05:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: How about we post the TOC to the list, than people can give suggestions [05:55] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) but this really has to start soon [05:56] hornbeck: Yes! [05:56] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ok [05:57] The background seciont is mine! [05:57] :) [05:57] hornbeck: Let's rename the FAQ (but keep the Subversion path for now) to something like "Ubuntu User's Guide" (?) and everybody picks a section. [05:57] sivang: For colorful desktop backgrounds? :) [05:58] Wow, are you really considering not having a FAQ? At all? [05:59] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: lets keep everything how it is right now [05:59] WW: I could imagine that the FAQ will become a subset of the user's guide. [05:59] hornbeck: what exactly? [06:00] hornbeck: you mean until we know what we want (on the mailing list)? [06:00] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: yes [06:00] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I thought we where moving stuff into the book not the faq? [06:00] ChrisH: And that will be easily searchable from the web? So a new user can search for something like "pciehp"? [06:00] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) the book is clean as far as content, so stuff could be added real easy [06:02] WW : We'll make it searchable from Yelp - Shaun McCane is working on impriving the search option in yelp, ir would be ready for 2.10 [06:04] the search option is already avialable in cvs head. [06:04] sivang: 2.10? What about warty? [06:05] WW : well, we could do a backport of it into warty, I'm sure there would be no problem. [06:05] When this get's finsih, people with warties would get updated through the regular cycle of aptitude, synatpic or whatever. [06:09] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well I am going to look at a new car [06:09] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) bbl [06:10] OK, I'm looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Is there a rough estimate for when the new FAQ/Book/whatever will be available? Just ballpark: weeks? months? [06:11] ... or, more likely, "we don't know yet!" :) [06:18] Err... I'm still confused. So our two documents will be FAQ and Book/User's Guide? [06:19] ChrisH : main document - Ubuntu Handbook [06:20] 18:00 < hornbeck> I thought we where moving stuff into the book not the faq? [06:20] That confused me. [06:20] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well you said to change the faq to another name [06:20] FAQ can be a section in the handbook, and can also be distributed seperatly, however I would like more be it in one bundle [06:20] So the FAQ is dead? Where is the book? [06:20] Okay. So the /faq repository will be used for the User's Guide. [06:20] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) hornbeck: Let's rename the FAQ (but keep the Subversion path for now) to something like "Ubuntu User's Guide" (?) and everybody picks a section. [06:20] Okay... :) [06:21] The book should go like "this is the handbook blah blah blah, if you just inrested in common pits and falls, read the FAQ section first" [06:21] hornbeck: Sorry. I have a bad flu currently and my brain doesn't work as usual. ;) [06:21] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) I thought we where all going to work on the book? [06:21] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) in the emails it sounded like we where going to move information into the current book [06:22] hornbeck: Will you be preparing the new TOC according to the structure used in /wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline [06:22] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: hold on one sec [06:22] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) from what I understood, we where going to move alot of the data from the faq into the current book. Am I wrong? [06:23] hornbeck: Yes. So the "current book" means the "faq repository". [06:23] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH: Why does it mean that and not the "Book repository"? [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) The book already has the format for a book [06:24] hornbeck: I mean... is it still the /faq repository we moved from my to you server? [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) yes it is the faq repository [06:24] hornbeck: ok [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) man you must be sick [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) :-) [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) http://69.155.172.150/book [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) is where the "Learning Ubuntu" book is located [06:24] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) that is what I have been working on [06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) which is what http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LearningUbuntuOutline is based on [06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) all the stuff for a book is already there [06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) we have started it [06:25] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) there is no point in starting over [06:30] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) hello? [06:32] (hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) well I am leaving now, I will be back later [06:40] hornbeck: sry, voip === littlegreenman [~diogo@a83-132-21-86.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WW [~wweckesse@67-138-154-142.dsl1.nor.ny.frontiernet.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [07:10] Hi guys. I am looking to contribute again this weekend. However, I have a few questions before I do. [07:11] sure [07:12] First, is it necessary that I update via svn? When I try, the url that contained the repository doesn't appear to be accessible. [07:13] Hoodster: did you notice we switched to http://69.155.172.150/... ? [07:14] ChrisH: Unfortunately, I did not. BTW - How would I notice that (hehe). [07:14] Hoodster: :) [07:15] ChrisH: Is the rest of the URL the same? Do I have to do a full checkout first? [07:15] Hoodster: run: svn switch --relocate http://ubuntu.workaround.org:8080/faq http://69.155.172.150/faq [07:19] ChrisH: That appears to work. How will I ever remember these commands (hehe) [07:27] ChrisH: What needs to be done? I can work on various parts, such as more non-free installation issues. I can also add a section on how to automatically mount MSWindows partitions after a fresh install. These are only my suggestions, but I am happy to contribute on other, more important, areas. === ChrisH [~chaas@gw.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:36] plovs_work: What is the status of the XML file currently? Have you changed anything in the contents of the faq-guide.xml? Or is it just a split version of the faq.xml? Because we should adopt hornbeck's structure and I'm not sure where to start. [07:54] ChrisH: I just remembered, I believe the update worked, but how do I confirm it? Is there a date or some other way I can tell that I have an updated FAQ list? Also, if you don't have any objection to what I proposed earlier, then I will get back to work. My plan is to install so that there is mp3 support. Let me know if there are any objections. === pl0vs_ [~Administr@62.84.21.44] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] hi guys [08:17] Hi plovs [08:18] I am ready to get back in the contributing stage. I wis thinking of adding to the non-free section, like mp3 if it is not being done already. [08:18] plovs: What do you think? Alternatively, is there a more urgent area to work on? [08:33] Hoodster: you will not loose anything if you have the wrong repository. [08:38] ChrisH: Thank you for replying. That is good to know. I apologize if my questions are a bit of an annoyance. I am sure you and plovs just want people to get to work, and here is this guy Hoodster that keeps asking these mundane questions, geesh (LOL). [08:43] Hoodster, no problem, better ask then not doing anything at all [08:44] ChrisH, nice mail you wrote, we should do with that [08:45] something with that [08:45] Hoodster : see the topic :)) [08:46] Hoodster : Questions are always welcomed :) [08:47] sivang: I am glad you clarified that... I thought you were referring to the part on code of conduct (hehe). I do find this to be a great bunch of guys. I will go ahead and add more to the FAQ, submit them and report back here tomorrow. [08:47] Talk to you later guys! === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:sivang] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://irclog.workaround.org | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. [08:50] Hoodster : ok, look again:) === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.102] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:55] plovs_work: thanks :) [11:07] plovs_work: Am I right that you didn't change the content of the .xml files but just the structure?