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Tomcat_jdub: Intel Centrino WLAN, ipw2200... but only want to know what the installer wants to install from the net. :)12:00
Gwildorseek187, how to open a private window?.....xchat?12:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you need to add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules12:00
Tomcat_+I12:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that should work ok during install, but even if it doesn't install from the net during install, you can do that afterwards12:00
seek187a window will open when they message back12:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that bit is just upgrading12:00
Gwildorseek187, kk12:01
gamehackcan someone help me, I've configured my CPUFreq applet but when clicking on it, it doesn't show anything...although i can change the frequency with the cpufreq-selector fromt the console ?12:01
gamehackthanks very much12:01
spikebis usplash usable yet? :)12:01
PorscheBoyjdub, so in order to get into gnome i had to change "nvidia" to "nv" to use X12:01
Tomcat_jdub: Yeah, it did... the problem is that the installer only *searched* for access points and didn't give me a list... I got 2 neighbors with open access points here. :)12:01
Tomcat_jdub: I just don't want to be missing anything now that the system's installed. :o12:01
PorscheBoyjdub, r u sure this will fix it?12:01
Tomcat_jdub: If it's just upgrading that's okay... I just did that. Thanks. :)12:01
kulakihi! ubuntu doesn't turn off my pc after shutdown. pls help.12:01
Solkarisso basically jdub if someone is interested in packaging for Ubuntu we have to support Debian also? even if we dont want to?12:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no12:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) "if they're not particularly attractive things for support" ...12:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) for ubuntu support12:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) as said above12:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) if it's something we definitely want to include, we'll do it12:02
Gwildorseek187, how would i locate this person, like find whatroom they are in12:03
(jdub/#ubuntu) there's no solid protocol for inclusion in universe independent of debian atm, so easiest thing to do is get it in debian :P)12:03
(jdub/#ubuntu) :)12:03
seek187try /whois nickname12:03
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Gwildorthnx12:03
Rene_SIf i embed Ubuntu into my microwave will my food taste better ?12:03
seek187np12:03
(jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: yeah, installer just tries to connect to anything it can, which is a bit silly ;)12:03
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zenwhen_Rene_S, no. You need to install gentoo to get your microwave hot enough to cook food. Its the compiling that does it.12:04
Gwildorseek187, i dont think it works12:04
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seek187Gwildor,  it shows up in status tab12:04
Gwildoroh...thnx12:04
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Solkarisso basically scratch your own itch and dont worry about bothering until there is a protocol if you dont feel like dealing with Debian12:04
Tomcat_jdub: Well, the fact that it recognized my chipset, asked for a WEP key and then found a network (and all this in the installer!) really impressed me. Two settings after installing later the network was ready. :)12:04
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Rene_Szenwhen_, good answer, I was gonna use Mandrake but then what do the French really know about cooking after all.12:05
spikebheh12:05
zenwhen_Snails -_-12:05
Rene_SI rest my case12:05
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seek187lol12:08
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Rene_SOh oh my lame jokes are clearing the room12:10
spikebheh12:11
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dleHi. I was having trouble on my warty installation to get PHP's mail() function to work.  I've just read 'Also, the user that compiled PHP must have permission to access the sendmail binary.'  Is there a way to resolve this problem?12:14
dleapart from compiling mod_php4 for myself, which I'd prefer not to do.12:14
__danieldle: does mailing from that host in general work for you?12:14
dleyes.12:15
__danieldle: user www-data (running the webserver) should be able to send mails12:15
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dle__daniel: yes, but it ain't. :)12:16
__danieldle: hmmmmmmmmmmmm12:16
dlethe logs aren't revealing either.12:16
dleI think I fixed it. :)12:18
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Ubuntuanyone try todays hoary packages?12:19
__danielubuntu: are you too scared to try them yourself? ;-)12:19
Ubuntudaniel:  YEAH :)12:19
seek187Ubuntu, yes12:19
Ubuntudont want to break my system12:19
socksI cant wait intil penguin12:19
seek187lol12:19
Ubuntuseek187 any differences?12:19
seek187Nope not really12:19
Ubuntuseek187:  i saw some gnome stuff12:20
Ubuntuill reboot gnome12:20
__danielubuntu: try installing them yourself and use   apt-listchanges12:20
seek187yeah applets12:20
Ubuntuseek187 yep12:20
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Ubuntugonna reboot12:20
Ubuntubrb12:20
Rene_Snice, clean upgrade to Ubuntu "Hurtme".12:21
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aaroncukmy server stopped responding to pings etc.. had to reboot it.. is there a log i can check to see why?12:21
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Ubuntulooks the same to me12:21
__danielaaroncuk: /var/log/syslog12:22
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__danielubuntu: start coding and change the world :-)12:22
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aaroncukwhats the view command lol12:23
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__danielaaroncuk: tail <filename> shows you the last lines (-f for "following-mode") (-n <number> shows the last n lines)12:23
__danielaaroncuk: man tail   for more options :-)12:24
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the_onehi12:24
Rene_SHola12:24
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Ubuntudaneil:  i want to fix the monitor bug12:24
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Ubuntudaniel:  I mean the autodetection12:25
Solkarisjdub dh-make or debmake the prefered?12:25
Ubuntudaniel:  Im gonna take a look at the source12:25
the_oneguys, my mouse' batteries died, and I swapped mice, now no mouse will work, even the original one, not even after reboot. I have 2 usb mice12:25
Solkarisjdub nm .. found that answer12:25
Rene_SROB|MEPIS is now known as ROB|UNDECIDED|DISTRO12:25
ROB|MEPIShaha no12:26
the_onewhat's the solution?12:26
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Ubuntuany new gnome applets or is it just bugfixes?12:26
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ROB|MEPISRight now ... I'm MEPIS, Yoper, Ubuntu, Kanotix and Libranet ... those are my only 512:26
the_oneanyone?12:26
__danielubuntu /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz is your friend :-)12:26
ROB|MEPISI'm gonna be testing and going 1 by 1 to see which 1 i like and do not and which 1 im gonna stay with12:27
the_oneplease, I need some guidance12:27
Rene_SI had to give up on Yoper, not sure if there gonna be around too much longer12:27
Solkarisjdub .. you said to read the new maintainer guide .. trying to make sure I have all the software listed installed .. cant seem to find imake .. and ideas?12:27
seek187Rene_S, I know doesn't seem like it.. that's what I used before this12:27
ROB|MEPISRene_S: I hope they do because its hell nice12:27
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ROB|MEPISI have 3 partitions here so I'm gonna install Yoper and/or Ubuntu or Kanotix tonight12:28
Ubuntudaniel:  How do you do an ls by page?12:28
Rene_SYeah its a nice distro, sure hope he can figure out how to fund it12:28
Ubuntudaniel:  ls -what?12:28
ROB|MEPISYea12:28
__danielubuntu: ls <bla> | more12:29
Ubuntuthanks daniel12:29
Rene_Sah crap i upgraded Kaffeine to the new lame version again, brb gotta downgrade12:29
Ubuntudaniel that log shows gibberish12:30
__danielubuntu its a .gz12:30
Ubuntudaniel:  oh12:30
__danielubuntu: so you have to    zmore bla.gz12:30
Ubuntudaniel:  so i have to unzip it?12:30
Ubuntuoh12:30
Ubuntuok12:30
__danielubuntu: no, you dont have to12:31
__danielubuntu: zcat, ztail, zgrep and zmore are you friends :-)12:31
Solkarisany devs on .. have a question about the maintainers guide12:31
Ubuntudaniel:  New drivemount, new trash applet12:31
Ubuntuinteresting :)12:31
__danielubuntu: just install apt-listchanges12:31
Ubuntunah12:32
Ubuntuwhy do i have to?12:32
__danielubuntu: it mails you the changes of a packages upgrade12:32
Ubuntudaniel nah not necessary12:32
Ubuntudaniel is there a weather applet in gnome?12:33
Ubuntuit says weather but i dont see it12:33
__danielapt-cache search weather applet12:34
Ubuntudaniel so its not part of gnome?12:34
__danielapt-cache show gnome-applets :-)12:34
Ubuntudaniel no i mean where in gnome can i find it?12:34
__danielif you try to add it, look out for "W"12:34
Ubuntuon the screen i mean12:34
__daniel"W" like weather :-)12:34
__danielrightclick on panel -> add applet12:34
Ubuntudaniel is it installed?12:34
Ubuntuoh12:35
Ubuntuahhhhhhhh12:35
Ubuntui didnt know it had those12:35
Ubuntudaniel most people wouldnt realize that, should be a little better way12:35
Ubuntunot that i dont like it12:35
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__danielubuntu: think about a better way and propose it on the gnome*-lists :-)12:36
Ubuntudaniel yeah i will12:36
Ubuntudaniel developers will prolly say no :P12:36
__danielthey wont12:36
__danielif it's a good idea and you dig yourself into the code to at least propose changes :-)12:36
Solkarisis there a Dev in channel12:37
Ubuntudaniel :  One problem, weather has no way to change location12:37
Ubuntudaniel from the applet :P12:37
Solkariserr is there a Dev in channel that is currently paying attention to IRC?12:37
__danielSolkaris: just ask your question12:37
Ubuntudaniel oops12:37
__danielSolkaris: you'll see if they pay attention12:37
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Ubuntudaniel everything is there, just its confusing12:37
Solkarisok __daniel12:37
__danielubuntu: i didnt code it :-)12:38
Ubuntudaniel its a very nice app12:38
__danielubuntu: you may also have a look at gdesklets12:38
Ubuntuthe applets i like alot, just kinda needs to be clearer12:38
SolkarisIm trying to learn how to build packages .. was refered to debian new maintainer manual .. question is to fold .. is there any know pdf of this material? and where is imake and xmkmf12:39
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Solkaris*crickets*12:40
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show debhelper... its pretty handy...12:40
__danielSolkaris: apt-cache search imake, apt-cache search xmkmf12:41
Solkarisyea and thats an answer to a pdf version and why there is no imake and xmkmf in ubuntu how?12:41
Solkaristhere is no imake or xmkmf in the repository12:41
Rene_SWhatever happened to the service-admin tool that usually is in gnome-system-tools ?12:41
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tvon|x31Rene_S: removed12:42
tvon|x31or disabled12:42
tvon|x31generally not there in some respect12:42
__danielSolkaris: look what i told you about imake and xmkmf12:42
Rene_Saww, I miss that one, saves me from having to guess what things to remove12:42
lil_anthonyquestion: is there a really easy to use gui prefered ftp deamon for ubuntu? i just want to setup  user/password an a directory where the user can send and receive files from12:42
tvon|x31Rene_S: the idea is that in a destkop the end user shouldnthave to screw with services12:43
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tvon|x31something like that12:43
Solkaristrey' thank you for not answering my actual question .. I did what you said and it was zero help12:43
(trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: the only thing that comes up for both is "xutils"... this is what you want him to look at?12:43
__danielSolkaris: looking at debhelper isnt done in "just a minute"12:43
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Ubuntu1help12:43
prescorHi.12:44
__danieltrey`: dunni...12:44
Ubuntu1i deleted the bottom bar accidentally12:44
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prescorDoesn anyone have MOL running on Ubuntu?12:44
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Rene_SYeah thats fine in theory, however; I dont own a laptop or raid stuff or wireless things so I want to disable those services12:44
Ubuntu1daniel:  I added weather to the bottom bar, then somehow deleted that bar on the bottom12:44
__danieltrey`: dunno... i thought they were included in the package12:44
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show xutils ...12:44
Ubuntu1daniel:  How do i readd it?12:44
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: what are you building that requires imake/xmkmf?12:44
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(trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: both are listed in the package... apt-cache show xutils :)12:44
__danieltrey`: i know12:44
Solkarisyea and it didnt answer the basic question is the Debian New Maintainers guide available in PDF? and why does it said document say to install 2 programs the dont exist in the repository?12:44
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Ubuntu2daniel:  I have a problem :P12:45
Ubuntu2my bar is still open and i have 2 x-chats running12:45
SolkarisIm following the bloody list of programs to have installed in the document you sent me to jdub .. it says to install .. Im trying to install12:45
Ubuntu2and i cant see the bottom bar12:45
Solkarisshould I not be installing those?12:45
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: Why do you want it in PDF form?12:45
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you only need stuff required by what you want to build12:45
Rene_Sright click on your desktop, open a terminal type gnome-panel restart12:46
Solkarisif not then why didnt someone just tell me that instead of trying to fob me off to apt-cache?12:46
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i think it would be better off if you did an 'apt-get source gedit' and looked at how other packages are done12:46
Solkaristrey' Oh for printing parts of  .. simply easier to read that a freaking webpage .. that kind of thing12:46
__danielUbuntu2: i did the same once... i guess, i just had to add a new panel12:46
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: will help as you read the new maintainer guide12:46
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because xutils contains the other packages you want...12:46
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Ubuntudidnt work12:47
Solkaristrey' in the future just saying that would have helped12:47
Ubuntuit said i had a panel opened already12:47
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: saying that doesn't make you use the tools provided though...12:47
Ubuntuwasnt there a bar on the bottom of the screen by default?12:48
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__danielubuntu: not if you deleted it :-/12:48
Solkarisjdub first you say read 10 chapter book on building packages and now your saying just read the gedit build?12:48
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Ubuntu1hmm12:48
Rene_Sok then in a terminal type killall gnome-panel12:48
Ubuntu1still missing the bottom bar12:48
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no, both.12:49
Solkaristrey' thanks for trying to teach me something when Im so frustrated Im ready to f'ing fdisk this drive .. so utterly helpful and assistive12:49
Ubuntu1rene:  No what i want is to readd the bottom bar12:49
Rene_Sthen retype the gnome-panel restart command12:49
ChibiAdd a new panel, doofis. :P12:49
Ubuntu1chibi how??12:49
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: looking at examples is very helpful. there are examples in the documentation and available in the distro.12:49
Rene_Sdo you have a panel already ?12:49
Ubuntu1rene:  what is a panel?12:49
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: there is no need to be frustrated.12:49
ChibiI haven't used gnome panel in a while, but I belive you just right click the existing panel12:49
Ubuntu1rene:  All i know is im missing the bottom bar12:49
Slackmanheya, are there any plans to add ppc KDE packages for either warty or hoary?12:49
Ubuntu1chibi:  I have no existing panel12:49
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: blah... what people have said are what everyone does to learn... read the documentation, then look at examples...12:49
Slackmanand if so is there any thing i can do to help12:49
Ubuntu1i deleted it accidentally12:49
__danielSolkaris: try to calm done... packaging projects won't work being frustrated :-/12:50
ChibiBoth of them?12:50
Rene_Sits the bar that you normaly have at the top and bottom of your desktop12:50
Ubuntu1chibi u mean the bottom panel?12:50
Solkarisjdub ok .. my question was about the fact that the guide said make sure you have x y z installed .. if I dont need y or z Im cool with that just needed someone to say dont need them .. not lead me on a goose chase12:50
Ubuntu1rene:  right, i have a top panel not a bottom panel12:50
ChibiThe top and bottom panel are both the same program12:50
cardadorUbuntu: right click on the top panel, chose new panel,  drag it to the bottom12:50
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Chibiright click the top panel and make a new panel12:50
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: if kde hasn't built on ppc, the build logs will show why -> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/12:50
Chibi:o12:50
Ubuntu1cardador thanks12:50
Rene_Soh then right click on the bar and choose new panel12:50
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zezhello12:50
Slackmanjdub, thanks...12:50
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I'd imagine jdub assumes you read the developer docs by now, and thus looking at a already-done package would be helpful to make what you read more clear...12:50
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: that wasn't the question you asked though12:50
Rene_SI thought you had no panel at all hehe12:50
Solkaristrey' you assume alot I can see .. stop trying to do that .. might make your comments more helpful12:51
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zezwhat do I need to change the print command to in mozilla?  I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install12:51
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: how about I just /ignore you, and you can continue wasting devel's time... go you...12:52
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Solkarisyea the question why arent these 2 programs in the repository when the book says to install them .. if someone had said .. they arent needed that would have been all good .. or they are part of another package so check to see if its installed12:52
Ubuntunow its double the size and its empty12:52
Ubuntuhow do i restore it back to default?12:52
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: damnit, THEY ARE... they are part of the xutils package!!!12:52
__danielSolkaris: i can really understand trey`... try to take it slow12:52
Solkaristrey' please do asap .. since you havent dont a damn thing to help me12:52
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Ubuntuis there a quick way to restore the bottom back to default?12:53
(trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I have though... you just refuse to take it... but whatever... done...12:53
Solkaristhan why didnt you fucking saying that to start with assmonkey? instead of sitting ontop your throne looking down ... just fing saying it .. dont play teacher with other utils12:53
__danielubuntu: don't think so12:53
Ubuntudaniel dang12:53
Ubuntudaniel i bet im not the 1st to do this12:53
__danielSolkaris: just add a new panel (somehow) and re-apply all the applets12:54
Ubuntudaniel:  How many pixels is your bottom bar?12:54
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Rene_SI use 3212:54
Rene_Ssometimes 3612:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: dude, please chill. that's inappropriate for this channel.12:54
Ubunturene what is the default one?12:54
Slackmanjdub.some of the packages like kde-artwork don't even have entried..does that mean they aren't attempted becuase a dep failed?12:54
Ubunturene:  32 or 36?12:55
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(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: hrm, not sure.12:55
Rene_SI dunno, I always get a 24 for the bottom12:55
SolkarisI came here looking for help .. tried to follow that .. and I got contempt and attitude .. is this what I can expect in the future?12:55
__danielubuntu: 4312:55
Ubuntucan someone click on the bottom to see how many pixels it is12:55
Ubuntu43? thanks12:55
Rene_Snot sure what the top is12:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i don't think you have.12:55
Ubuntudaniel no its not 4312:55
kensaiI have to hard Drives is it posible from my ubuntu installation to format the other hard drive and create partitions with it? How?12:55
Ubuntudaniel:  I dont mean when u add a new panel12:55
__danielubuntu: mine is 43 :-)12:55
Solkariswell jdub Im trying but Im really frustated and having someone that knows the answer then play games with me is even more annoying12:55
Ubuntudaniel:  I mean the default bottom bar size12:56
Rene_S2412:56
Slackmanjdub, is there a ppc devel team that handles that stuff or is it purely just a build script?12:56
__danielSolkaris: nobody plays games12:56
Ubuntuthanks rene12:56
Rene_Sits the smallest it can go12:56
Ubunturene so 24 is the default right?12:56
Rene_Syeah12:56
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: no, everyone tracks the architectures, but we don't concentrate on unsupported packages12:56
Ubunturene:  Ok now what was on that taskbar?12:56
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Ubuntui have to readd the stuff12:56
Solkarisno I was .. I went to the web page that you told me to go jdub. I was starting from the beginning of said document which says make sure you have this stuff installed12:56
Rene_Swindows list12:56
pdaousthey, does anyone know where MySQL stores its databases in Ubuntu or Debian?12:56
Rene_Swindow task switcher12:57
mike998Gentlemen: Just wanted to say thanks to whoever helped me the other night12:57
Solkarisso I was making sure I had everything listed installed .. I ran into a problem finding 2 packages12:57
Rene_Sand show desktop12:57
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: so you asked where it was, and you were told that apt-cache search could help you find things.12:57
__danielubuntu: just add whatever you like to see ;-)12:57
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: do this: 'rm ~/.gnome*'12:57
__danieltrey`: ???12:57
(trey`/#ubuntu) then log out and back in, you will get a default gnome again...12:57
Solkarisand when I asked about that .. rather than say " its part of Package X" I got conflicting use apt-cache bs .. why didnt they just say the first one?12:57
Ubunturene:  Which one is windows task switcher?12:57
Ubuntutrey:  Its ok i got it12:57
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Slackmanjdub, ah fair enough..erm is there some documentation i can read to get up to scratch with how stuff works. I love ubuntu and i'd like to help, so maybe i could try to get the kde packages to build for PPC12:58
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because it's more helpful to show you how to search for things12:58
Rene_Sworkspace switcher12:58
osiris_22i need some help guys,.. i just installed ubuntu12:58
Rene_Ssorry wrong choice of words12:58
__danielSolkaris: re-talking talk doesnt help you now, does it? i dont want to be rude, but try to get on a bit slower with people...12:58
Ubunturene thanks12:58
Slackmanjdub, by stuff i mean the build scripts etc..12:58
Slackman:)12:58
Ubunturene:  So theres just 3 things by default right?12:58
Rene_Sit goes on the far right hand side12:58
osiris_22how do i access my windows partition?12:58
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: the output up there is from the build daemons, which automate building all of the packages12:58
osiris_22how do i also get java installed right to install limewire12:58
Rene_Sthe show destop on the left hand12:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: there isn't really a good map of how it all fits together yet12:59
mike998osiris_22: what did you call your windows partition when you partitioned your hard-drive?12:59
Rene_Sand the other next to the show desktop12:59
pdaoustha ha, never mind -- I don't even have MySQL server installed :)12:59
Ubunturene:  Its a little to the right for the show desktop12:59
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osiris_22i didnt call it anything12:59
Mitarioanybody knows what could be the cause that when I use evolution and imap to log on to my imap server my login failes, but when I access trough ssh i can login12:59
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: top bar has 7 entries... bottem has 4...12:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: but basically, stuff gets uploaded as source, the buildds build it (with logs), and then it gets plopped in the archive :)12:59
Ubuntutrey whats the 4th one?12:59
Solkarisif I wanted to take classes on it great .. but Im trying to do something .. I dont want to spend the next hour trying to figure out if its installed or not .. the short answer would have been far more helpful and less frustrating .. the answer I got made the situation worse12:59
Solkarisso it didnt teach me anything other than some people cant give a straight answer01:00
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: perhaps the trash applet?01:00
Rene_SShowdesktop_WindowList_Windowselector01:00
Slackmanjdub, cool, well i'll have a go and see what i can do... :)01:00
Ubunturene which is the 4th one?01:00
mike998try sudo mkdir /share && sudo mount /dev/hdb /share01:00
Rene_Soh yeah that too01:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: people are tyring to help you generally, so please let it go01:00
Ubuntuoh yeah thats it01:00
Ubuntuthanks :)01:00
zezwhat do I need to change the print command to in mozilla?  I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install01:00
mike998i think01:00
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it would seriously be easier if you just remove the .gnome stuff, and restart though ;)01:00
Rene_SI trash mine so i forget its there01:00
Solkarisand I never got an answer for the pdf part .. just a response of why would you want that .. that really isnt an answer thats attitude01:00
Ubuntutrey` how do i do that?01:00
Ubuntutrey`:  Ill try it :)01:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oi, there is a kdeartwork log :)01:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdeartwork/01:00
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: like I said... 'rm .gnome*' :)01:00
Ubuntutrey`:  ok01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: ahr, but not for ppc01:01
mike998osiris_22: try checking your Synaptic Package Manager01:01
osiris_22yeah01:01
osiris_22i did mike01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oh, there is for warty though01:01
osiris_22i installed java01:01
osiris_22but it needs to be in the path01:01
mike998okay - try cd /share01:01
osiris_22for limewire01:01
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: the dir's will be recreated when you log in... they will be exactly how they were when you first installed Ubuntu :)01:01
osiris_22and when i go to the java dir01:01
osiris_22there is no files there01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman:01:01
Solkarissorry jdub but this has been the worst experience in several years of linux use .. I didnt even get that kind of response from Gentoo people .. guess Ubuntu is just Debian attitude in a new dress01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) kdebase-dev(inst 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 ! >> wanted 4:3.3.0) kdelibs4-dev(inst 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 4:3.3.0)01:01
(jdub/#ubuntu) 01:02
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it's not.01:02
osiris_22im new to linux and i really dont know what im doing..01:02
Ubuntutrey` :  sudo right?01:02
mike998osiris_22: you have gone beyond my knowledge - I'm a newbie too01:02
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no, they are in your home dir :)01:02
Ubuntutry`:  I ran it but now i get a < prompt01:02
mike998what documentation have you tried reading ?01:02
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: log out and back in...01:02
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osiris_22there is no documentation on01:02
osiris_22it01:02
osiris_22i just wanna be able to get mp3s01:03
osiris_22and i have no way of doing this01:03
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osiris_22with out java being in the right path01:03
Solkariswell I was just given the same treatment here that I got when I tried to use debian .. ask a simple question and get an answer that while it educates doesnt answer the question01:03
Ubuntutrey`:  i messed up terminal01:03
osiris_22and i have no idea what the hell that means lol01:03
mxpxpodis there a webpage for the buildd's for ubuntu?01:03
Ubuntutrey ok im back in terminal01:03
(jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it helped you answer your question. please let it go and get on with things. this metadiscussion is not helpful.01:03
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: well gtk-gnutella is a better program and does not need java..01:03
osiris_22wjhere do i get that gamma01:03
Ubuntunow just from there run it without sudo?01:03
(jdub/#ubuntu) mxpxpod: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/01:03
mike998heh- i have a vauge idea, but I'm afraid I don't use Limewire.  I tend to use IRC channels to get my mp3s, if I want to get them01:03
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yup...01:04
__danielSolkaris: you didnt get a META-META-answer, so don't complain... most people are happy to get to know tools to help them01:04
Ubuntutrey:  In /desktop?01:04
GnobodyThe only anwsers I ever get are "it's in the wiki" or "why do you want to do that? n00b!"01:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: it's in universe01:04
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: then /etc/init.d/gdm restart from terminal...01:04
Slackmanjdub, heya...where are the warty logs? i just noticed that apt-requires kde-core...however the build and package dirs are kde-base01:04
osiris_22its in universe?01:04
osiris_22dude gamma01:04
osiris_22im a newb01:04
osiris_22i dont know01:04
mxpxpodjdub: thanks01:04
tvon|x31I really hate it when I ask a question and someone asks why I'm doing it01:04
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... its a hidden file... ls -a in your home dir...01:04
Ubuntutrey`:  Whats the command again?01:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: in synapic enable the universe respository01:05
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: rm -r ~/.gnome*01:05
mike998osiris_22: there is documentation on adding universe to your synaptic repositiries01:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I mean synaptic01:05
mxpxpoddaniels: ping01:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then you should find it if you search01:05
Ubuntutrey`:  was there a different .gnome as root?01:05
Solkariswaste of time01:05
osiris_22hey gamma01:05
Ubuntutrey`:  Cause i did a sudo that......01:05
osiris_22how do i inable that in synaptic01:05
Ubuntui didnt mess anything up right?01:05
osiris_22im in synaptic01:05
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yes... ls -a /root01:05
osiris_22but i dotn see that choice01:06
Ubuntutrey` crap01:06
Ubuntutrey`:  I removed the root one01:06
mike998osiris_22: check out http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html01:06
Ubuntutrey`:  Doesnt matter?01:06
mike998It's what I used01:06
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: doesn't really matter though, will still be recreated...01:06
cardadorosiris_22: preferences -> repositories01:06
Ubuntuok01:06
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: now do it in your home dir though :)01:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: settings->repositories01:06
Slackmanjdub, n/m found the warty one..but yeh its looking for package names that aren't the same01:06
(trey`/#ubuntu) (without sudo)01:06
mike998GammaRay:Ooooo - I learned something01:07
Ubuntutrey ok01:07
Ubuntudone01:07
Ubuntugotta reboot gnome01:07
Ubuntubrb01:07
osiris_22ok gamma01:07
osiris_22when i start synaptic01:08
osiris_22i get errors now01:08
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Ubuntunow it made it worse01:08
Ubuntutheres a bar on the right01:08
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: like what?01:08
cardadorUbuntu: drag it to where you want it01:08
__danielubuntu: drag it down01:08
Ubuntui think i did something wrong01:09
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: wtf... blah... should have restored defaults... :/01:09
Ubuntutrey`:  what are the procedures again?01:09
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: I do it whenever I fuck something up (which is quite often...)01:09
osiris_22could not stat source package list http something something something01:09
Ubuntutrey`:  and i just run em all from terminal?01:09
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: press the reload button01:09
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: just 'rm -r ~/.gnome*' and log out and back into gnome...01:10
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: that won't get it all01:10
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: this will remove .gnome .gnome2 and .gnome2_private...01:10
Ubuntutrey after i do that i get a >01:10
Ubuntuthats normal?01:10
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ~/.gconf is where most settings are stored01:10
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osiris_22ok what was the name of the program01:10
(trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: That doesn't tend to keep panel info afaik?01:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtj-gnutella01:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtk-gnutella01:11
Ubuntutrey nope directories not empty01:11
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it shouldn't have changed your prompt at all... this only affects gnome...01:12
Ubuntui did exactly as you said rm -r ~/.gnome*'01:12
cardadorGammaRay: LimeWire is much better01:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: I disagree01:12
Ubuntuand after it changed my prompt to >01:12
Ubuntui exit and the directories are still there01:12
(trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: haha... they use the same protocol... and gtk-gnutella is faster...01:12
Ubuntumaybe without the '?01:12
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cardadortrey`: for me is the opposite... limewire is much faster :\01:12
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: ahh... yes...01:13
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: uh huh...01:13
(trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: that makes no sense... java is slow for me :/01:13
Ubuntutrey ok01:13
Ubuntutrey works :P01:13
Ubuntugonna relog in01:13
Ubuntubrb01:13
cardadortrey`: i mean the downloads. they start almost imediately01:13
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: :) I was just quoting the commands...01:13
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) gtk-gnutella also has killer rules which coudl allow it to operate on it's own if you wanted01:13
(trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: should be irrelivant, its the same network :/01:14
cardadorGammaRay: ill try gtk-gnutella again..01:14
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Ubuntunope01:14
(trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: but we don't approve of stealing music... so you should talk about this in #ubuntu-offtopic or something :)01:14
Ubuntustill there01:14
Ubuntutrey:  Nope no good01:14
Ubuntutrey:  maybe i have to reboot?01:14
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... it should have already restored defaults :/01:15
Slackmanhey is there any way to get ubuntu's gnome to default to the standard menu layout etc..?01:15
Slackmani.e default gnome01:15
(trey`/#ubuntu) Slackman: why would you want to do that?01:15
Ubuntutrey whats the command again?01:15
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nosamiPlease could someone here help me get my ITE8212 raid controller working on Ubuntu?01:15
(trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: 'rm -r .g*' will do it... I said 'rm -r .gnome*' though...01:16
Slackmantrey`, i knew someone was going to ask that :) ...01:16
Ubuntutrey there was gstreamer in there01:16
Ubuntutrey those all get recreated?01:16
Slackmantrey`, just out of curiousity, is it possible with out touching the code?01:16
osiris_22hey gamma01:17
darksatanicnosami: I've just read an email about that on the kernel mailing list.01:17
osiris_22i cant get that gtk to find anything i type in01:17
nosamidarksatanic: where can I find it?01:17
darksatanicnosami: Looks like you need a 2.6.9-ac kernel.01:17
(trey`/#ubuntu) ubuntulog: yup, and gaim etc... the dir will be recreated though... the rm -r .g* command will give you basically a fresh new gnome...01:17
darksatanicnosami: It's not fully supported yet -- the current driver doesn't do DMA yet.01:18
nosamiWill i need to compile it myself?01:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: imo the RIAA has been stealing the music from the commonwealth for a long time w/ their rediculiously long copyrights01:18
Phr0stBytecardator: heya!01:18
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darksatanicnosami: Yes.01:18
osiris_22hey gamma01:18
Phr0stBytecardator: You get tired of Mandrake too?01:18
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: this might be a better topic for #gtk-gnutella01:18
(trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: true enough... I didn't say I don't, but its wrong to almost promote it...01:18
osiris_22lord01:18
darksatanicnosami: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110090864122536&w=201:18
Solkarisanyone know if there is a way to cancel a free CD order?01:19
jcolewhy can't totem or rythmbox play mp3's with libmpg123? xmms can use libmpg123 just fine...01:19
Solkariscant seem to get into shipit01:19
nosamidarkstanic: ok thanks. At least I know what direction I'm aiming for now.. I've been going around in circles all night!01:19
(trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: because they use gstreamer... activate universe, and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'...01:19
cardadorPhr0stByte: who the hell is cardator? :)01:19
Phr0stBytecardador: sorry01:20
darksatanicnosami: Hope you get it working eventually... And good luck. :)01:20
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FTTPi wiped my gnome01:20
nosamidarksatanic: cheers!01:20
Phr0stBytecardador: you know who I meant01:20
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: good job?01:20
FTTPtrey:  Its me ubuntu01:20
FTTPtrey:  It made it worse.....01:20
FTTPtrey:  the ubuntu thing in the middle of the screen comes out in the bottom right and the windows open up all wrong so u cant see the screen right01:21
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I do it on average like once a week, I don't see what could be different about your's :/01:21
FTTPtrey were u using hoary?01:21
jcoletrey`: interesting, works now w/gstreamer....01:21
FTTPtrey`:  Maybe cause i wiped the root one?01:21
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I've done it for warty, hoary, sid, fedora...01:21
FTTPtrey`:  All i know is the ubuntu now comes out in the bottom01:22
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: shouldn't matter... root is just another user...01:22
dafartany chance for mplayer-plugin for mozilla in amd64 ?01:22
FTTPtrey`:  And the windows come out messed up screenwise01:22
FTTPtrey`:   oh well ill just reinstall hoary01:22
FTTP:P01:22
Solkarisanyone know if there is a way to cancel order for the free cds?01:23
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: bah... I don't get why it broke so much for you :(01:23
(sladen/#ubuntu) Solkaris: log in and set your amounts to zero01:23
FTTPtrey i dunno01:23
(sladen/#ubuntu) defendguin: I think there are problems... the win32 codecs are 32bit01:23
FTTPtrey:  gnome still needs work tho01:23
Solkaristhanks sladen .. having trouble getting in .. but good to know there is a way =) thanks for response01:23
FTTPit was only hoary so... :P01:24
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, so ?01:24
FTTPsladen:  yah01:24
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, ...? (so, what?)01:25
FTTPnow i gotta remount, reinstall nvidia, microsoft core fonts01:25
FTTPwork to do :P01:25
FTTPheh01:25
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jcoletrey`: shouldn't gstreamer be a dependency to totem/rythmbox?01:26
defendguinsladen, huh?01:27
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(trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: umm, it is... but the mpg plugin isn't installed by default...01:27
__danielgood night, guys... i'm off :-)01:27
(trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: mad = mpg audio decoder... mp3...01:27
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FTTPhttp://news.com.com/Sun+plans+patent+protection+for+open-source+Solaris/2100-7344_3-5456451.html01:28
FTTPinteresting01:28
FTTPmicrosoft has to go01:28
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell is already doing that ;)01:29
FTTPtrey`:  I have novell linux 901:29
FTTPits bad :P01:29
FTTPnice features but01:29
FTTPit messed up my mbr01:29
(trey`/#ubuntu) I didn't really like NLD :/ felt wrong to me...01:29
FTTPtrey`:  Microsoft is a big bully01:29
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FTTPtrey`:  Everyone other than microsoft HATES MICROSOFT :P01:30
FTTPits a fact01:30
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: thats stupid to say... they just want to make more money, same as any other business...01:30
Rene_Swow movie trailers work nice in Kaffeine and Firefox 1.001:30
FTTPrealplayer hated microsoft01:30
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FTTPevery company which has developed apps for microsoft hates em01:30
mike998hmmm - I mounted my windows partition earlier but now I can't seem to see it - does anyone have any ideas?01:30
FTTPthey control you01:30
FTTPnetscape hates microsoft01:30
FTTPu get the point01:31
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: People that Microsoft basically put out of business of course dislike them...01:31
FTTPtrey`:  no its not stupid to say01:31
vinicmike998: try a mount -a01:31
defendguinhas anyone see what fedora did to the file selector?01:31
defendguinhttp://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/fedoracore3/01:32
FTTPtrey`:   microsoft controls us01:32
(trey`/#ubuntu) Microsoft is just a successful business, which a bad product line....01:32
FTTPtrey`:  They control our desktop apps, and everything as a nation in the usa01:32
mike998defendguin: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist01:32
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: blah... I don't run Microsoft software, how do they control me?01:32
FTTPtrey`:  i only know the usa marketplace.......... for desktop you are beholden to them01:32
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(kremlyn/#ubuntu) I think what is hated is the verocity with which Microsoft try to be the dominant player. It's not even borderline criminal, it is criminal.01:33
FTTPtrey`:  alot of apps are microsoft only01:33
defendguinmike998, huh?01:33
FTTPtrey`:  thank goodness for wine tho :)01:33
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mike998defendguin: apologies that was not meant for you01:33
FTTPtrey`:  is the source code for solaris due to be released?01:33
FTTPtrey`:  If so, can linux borrow from it?01:33
(trey`/#ubuntu) kremlyn: every business in the world has gone about business in an illegal manor at some point... at least the successful ones have...01:33
mike998vinic: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist01:33
paspourtoiWelcome to Earth: A wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corp01:33
FTTPtrey`:  Or it it just the binaries?01:33
FTTPthats what i dont know01:34
vinicmike998: go to /dev/ and see what hd. exist01:34
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, they are planning an OpenSolaris once they get SCO to stfu about licensing issues etc...01:34
vinicmike998: hdc?01:34
FTTPtrey`:  If it goes full opensource for solaris....... then linux could add some good pieces and solaris could add good pieces of linux, etc...01:34
vinicmike998: maybe01:34
FTTPtrey`:  It benefits the open source community01:34
mike998vinic: this is strange01:34
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I doubt they will allow that actually...01:35
mike998vinic: hdc=cdrom drive01:35
(trey`/#ubuntu) We will see once they put up the terms of their license though..01:35
vinicmike998: strange indeed01:35
FTTPtrey` yep01:35
FTTPtrey`:  Linux has more app compatibility01:35
FTTPthan solaris01:35
FTTPi think right?01:35
mike998vinic: /dev/hdb appears to have gone to hawaii without the rest of the drive01:35
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not so much... Solaris has a Linux compatibility feature...01:35
FTTPsolaris should be able to run linux apps tho so it will be interesting01:36
FTTPtrey yeah thats what i mean01:36
FTTPbut natively not01:36
vinicmike998: :)01:36
FTTPtrey:  solaris still using gnome tho01:36
Solkarisis there any way to get gstreamer to decode dixv avi files for video? all avi come out as blank screens with sound01:36
vinicmike998: were they mounted at boot?01:36
FTTPso even if we use solaris we are getting some of the same components01:36
mike998vinic: nah - I figured I could do it manually when I wanted the stuff01:37
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes... most software companies other then Apple and Microsoft are going to GNOME...01:37
FTTPtrey:  Alot are kde01:37
FTTPtrey:  Gnome and KDE.... novell uses both for example01:38
vinicmike998: did you have a look to fstab?01:38
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really actually... KDE is becoming more and more the hobbiest desktop...01:38
FTTPtrey`:  nope........ u can choose from both in fedora still01:38
mike998for some reason I have always liked gnome: It's simpler IMHO01:38
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell uses both because of SUSE... they default to GNOME though...01:38
FTTPtrey`:  Lindows = KDE01:38
FTTPxandros is kde i think?01:38
FTTPnot sure on xandros01:38
mike998vinic: fstab!01:38
(trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Lindows and Xandros = crap though :/01:38
FTTPtrey lindows is big tho01:39
FTTPthey have alot of capital01:39
mike998vinic: Nothing there, but I was wracking my brains trying to figure out what the name of the file was!01:39
FTTPcompared to some smaller distros01:39
(trey`/#ubuntu) Companies trying to be more like Microsoft choose KDE, companies trying to innovate choose GNOME...01:39
vinicmike998: lets go PM01:39
FTTPtrey:  well yeah01:39
FTTPtrey:  I hate KDE01:39
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FTTPtrey:  Thats why i like ubuntu01:39
(trey`/#ubuntu) I like KDE... I just like GNOME more...01:39
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mike998vinic: I'm trying bitchx and am not sure how to PM01:39
FTTPtrey:  well i dont mean hate hate, it just too windowish01:39
cardadorwhat about xfce? :)01:40
FTTPtrey:  ITs better than windows :P01:40
vinicmike998: clic on my name01:40
(trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: I can't believe they are getting a start button... grrr :(01:40
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cardadortrey`: maybe you can remove it...01:40
(trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: you can, but still :(01:40
cardadortrey`: nevertheless, it is the best option for low end pcs01:41
AvestruzI'm having problems to use Skype on Ubuntu. Someone to help me?01:41
(trey`/#ubuntu) I dunno, this should continue in #ubuntu-offtopic... thought I was already there...01:41
cardadorAvestruz: pergunta 'a vontade ;)01:42
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Avestruzcardador: instalei o Skype perfeitamente. Consigo adicionar contatos e at entrar em chats com eles mas no ouo nada e nem eles me ouvem...01:43
cardadorAvestruz: better keep it in english so others can help!01:44
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cardadorAvestruz: i have never used skype, so cant help01:44
Avestruzcardador: so why you aswered me in Portuguese!01:45
cardadorAvestruz: because ive noticed your funny nick :)01:45
Avestruzcardador: thank you anyway.01:45
cardadorAvestruz: have you checked your microphone volume?01:46
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Avestruzcardador: yep. I can record my voice using the sound recorder...01:46
Solkarisanyone a gstreamer guy that can tell me if its possible to watch divx/avi video using gstreamer? all Im getting now is a black screen with sound01:46
SEBesthello don't you think that nautilus should allow the user to change it's user id, when there is a "permission denied".01:46
SEBestInstead of failing with this message, nautilius should pop up a dialog asking for a user name and a password that allow him to access this folder.01:46
SEBestwhat do you think?01:47
mike998vinic: I used vi... I like being able to use search... Nothing.. this is annoying me now.01:47
AvestruzALL: I have a Toshiba notebook and I'm trying to configure Skype on it. I can record my voice but when I try to use Skype, the application says there is a problem with my sound device. What can I do?01:48
Solkarisso thats a no?01:50
cardadorSolkaris: gstreamer never worked for me01:50
SEBestSolkaris, i think it works01:50
jpvcxSolkaris: gst-ffmpeg (i think), however I (probably due the fact that I 'am still a newbie) haven't got it working probably yet (runs out of sync on most xvid/divx file01:50
SolkarisI have gst-ffmpeg installed .. getting sound .. just no picture =(01:51
cardadorSolkaris: install totem-xine01:51
vinichi! just a little question: are pon/poff commands runable by su only? Or can I make some kind of quick launcher for user use?01:52
Solkarisok .. guess thats the fix =) thanks Carador01:52
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FTTPsco claims linux users are using their patents01:53
FTTPwe are?01:53
FTTPcause of ibm contributed code!01:54
FTTPdoh01:54
Solkarisgo read Grok FTTP01:54
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FTTPIt's that they've taken a substantial amount of our code is what creates the battleground. It's interesting to hear Red Hat speak at financial conference yesterday and their comment is, 'We're really scaling Linux up. Linux is really growing up.' If you take IBM out of the equation, Linux would not be growing up, it would not be SMP-enabled, it would not be multi processing, scaling up to hundreds of servers. It is IBM that01:54
FTTPibm did the jfs right?01:54
FTTPsolkaris:  Grok?01:55
SolkarisGroklaw01:55
jpvcxgroklaw.net01:55
FTTPoh01:55
FTTPthought u meant Grok is an open source natural language processing library written in Java. It is part of the OpenNLP project, and provides implementations for most of the interfaces defined in the opennlp.common package.01:56
Micksaplease just say "groklaw" :)01:56
Solkarisand be prepared for days and days of reading =)01:56
FTTPthat grok01:56
Micksa"grok" can mean a few things01:56
Micksasee? :)01:56
Solkarisaye my bad .. sorry01:56
paspourtoiFTTP: you are believing the mythology - reading Groklaw will open your eyes01:56
FTTPSun's Jonathan Schwartz Will Take Your Questions Now01:57
FTTP01:57
FTTPFriday, November 19 2004 @ 02:22 AM EST01:57
FTTPdoh01:57
FTTPi would have asked him questions01:57
FTTPtoo late?01:57
FTTPi missed it by not that many hours01:57
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FTTPpaspourtoi what mythology??01:58
FTTPpaspourtoi:  see im confused by the whole thing actually01:58
FTTPpaspourtoi:  IBM had os/2, got f0cked by microsoft01:58
FTTPos/2 and aix right?01:58
mike998smeg01:58
FTTPpaspourtoi:  IBM saw the way out as making money off of service and support01:59
FTTPso they gave alot of stuff like jfs to the opensource community01:59
AvestruzFTTP: I've used OS/2 for 3 years. An amazing OS...01:59
FTTPavestruz:  im not saying it wasnt.........01:59
paspourtoiFTTP: some people would like you to think GNU/Linux is impossible without the big companies: history suggests otherwise01:59
LinuxJonesFTTP, SCO are a bunch of liars who wanted to kill an already dying company and make a few dollars before it's end. It's called a "Bust-Out"01:59
madsenHmm, is it possible to install Ubuntu in a chroot'ed environment from a Debian box?01:59
madsenAnd how...01:59
FTTPlinuxjones:  I actually trust david boies02:00
FTTPfwtw02:00
FTTPthis was the napster guy02:00
AvestruzFTTP: and I'm not saying you said it wasn't!02:00
LinuxJonesFTTP,  yeah why would you do something like that ?02:00
FTTPlinuxjones:  why would i say something like that?02:00
FTTPlinuxjones:  Like what?02:00
FTTPlinuxjones:  I dont know much about the case on either side...... just know that alot of software companies got f0cked over02:01
FTTPlinuxjones:  I do know though that boies is a moral and honest man02:01
LinuxJonesFTTP,  that you trusted David Boies ?02:01
FTTPlinuxjones:  Cause ive seen him in action02:01
Solkarislol02:01
paspourtoiFTTP: he's an opportunist IMO02:01
FTTPlinuxjones:  i know alot about many of the cases hes pursued02:01
Solkarishes a lawyer .. he goes and fights for pay .. IE mercenary02:01
FTTPlike tyco02:01
LinuxJonesFTTP,  well explain his actions with regards to SCO vs IBM ?02:02
FTTPlinuxjones i dont know cause thats one of his cases im not familiar with02:02
Solkaris31 million .. thats why02:02
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FTTPlinuxjones:  I just said i trusted him in general :P02:02
madsenNoone installed Ubuntu in a chroot env?02:02
FTTPlinuxjones:  Is it true that IBM developed all the technology for file systems and multicpus and the like with linux or not?02:03
FTTPsee i dont kno02:03
FTTPww02:03
LinuxJonesFTTP,  SCO said that there were over a million lines of code in the Linux kernel between version 2.4 and 2.6, however there were only 850,000 lines of code added during that time of development. Meybe he is a very moral man he just can't do basic math.02:03
FTTPlinuxjones:  a jury will decide that FYI02:04
FTTPlinuxjones:  Which is fair02:04
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FTTPlinuxjones:  If its wrong, case loses :P02:04
Solkarishe can go basic math .. 31 million is a good amount to make even if the case is bs .. either way he gets paid02:04
LinuxJonesFTTP, not if but when :)02:05
FTTPlinuxjones we shall see02:05
FTTPlinuxjones:  Boies has a habit of winning02:05
FTTPexcept for election 2000 :P02:05
FTTPhehe02:05
FTTPwho knows i dont know much about the case02:05
Solkarislol FTTP you need to go read Groklaw before you start talking about this case .. go read the legal documents02:05
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LinuxJonesFTTP, you sound like a Darl McBride type02:06
FTTPsolkaris which one?02:06
FTTPsolkaris too many lawsuits all over the place02:06
FTTPnovell, ibm, redhat, sco, blah blah02:06
FTTPeveryone is suing everyone else02:06
Solkarisno go read groklaw.net .. it has all the information about the case and all related cases02:06
LinuxJonesfftp, Boies is a 3 time looser (in the words of Eric S. Raymond)02:06
FTTPsolkaris which link?02:07
FTTPsolkaris i just want a quick synopsis02:07
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yccojdub: you awake?02:07
FTTPof what the case involves02:07
Solkarisno you dont .. you got a quick synopsis and then said you trust Boise to be honest .. you need to go read what legal BS games they are playing .. how they are telling a judge in one courtroom one thing and then another judge the opposite02:08
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: Boies has lost all the major cases he has litigated in02:08
Solkarisyou need to go read the history of the case .. and the on going timelines02:08
FTTPsladen he did?02:09
FTTPtyco was a loss?02:09
FTTPmicrosoft was a loss?02:09
Solkarisif your going to argue or understand the case .. its not something you can sum up in a single paragraph and really get understanding of the whole thing02:09
paspourtoiFTTP: have a look at SCOX stock to see what the market thinks about the case: a one year graph makes interesting viewing02:09
FTTPpaspourtoi im not saying either side is right02:09
FTTPi dont know anything about the case PERIOD, just know from other cases, boies is right on the ball02:09
FTTPsolkaris:  I just want a summation02:10
FTTPsolkaris of the key pointsd02:10
FTTPerr points02:10
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: http://www.groklaw.net/02:10
FTTPi dont want to read legal documents02:10
FTTPthey are made for courts02:10
FTTPi just want a synopsis02:10
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: perhaps you'd take the time to read the analysis that Groklaw is famed for02:11
FTTPsladen on which link?02:11
FTTPsladen too many links there02:11
Solkarisall of them02:11
FTTPall of  them?02:11
Solkarisits a complex and huge case02:11
FTTPhours of reading, no thanks :P02:11
FTTPim not the lawyer or a law student02:12
paspourtoiFTTP: if you aren't willing to read groklaw, then really you shouldn't comment on Boies or the case. This has been going on since early last year02:12
Solkarisdont need to be .. Im not and I understand it fine02:12
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FTTPsolkaris groklaws comments are prolly biased towards the opensource community02:12
FTTPi want independent analysis :P02:13
tom__anyone running a printer on another networked pc satisfactorily?02:13
paspourtoiFTTP: of course they are! They are also based on research by thousands of people02:13
paspourtoiFTTP: if you want facts, they are all there02:13
Solkaristhen read grok .. the judges are .. lawyers do .. .lawyers comment on the case there .. and PJ while being biased opensource is also a paralegal that breaks down what is being said in common english02:14
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: ah, independent analysis---you'll be wanting prosco02:14
SolkarisLOL02:14
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paspourtoisladen: hahah02:14
FTTPsolkaris so which link on that website?02:14
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SolkarisALL OF THEM02:14
FTTPsome of that stuff is for opensource legal projects02:14
FTTPi dont want open source legal project02:15
SolkarisIBM SCO timeline02:15
FTTPi just want to know what the case involves02:15
FTTPthanks solkaris02:15
SolkarisNovell vs SCO02:15
Solkarisbecause they are related02:15
tom__i can see the printer on another pc using http://192.etc/631 but my applications cannot see it whats happening?02:15
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paspourtoiFTTP: either do the reading, or accept that you are not going to be informed in your judgements02:15
FTTPno thanks ill pass02:16
FTTPill leave it up to the courts :)02:16
FTTPi trust em02:16
FTTPit seems like its basically a mishmosh of gpl claims vs patent claims vs claims against others02:16
tom__strewth fttp if everyone did that we would still have slavery02:17
FTTPtom:  so? :P02:17
FTTPtom:  Im not a lawyer02:17
tom__;-)02:17
FTTPtom:  That was different02:17
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: you're right, none of them actually have anything to do with Linux, they're all contract disputes02:17
FTTPtom:  Lawyers will handle this and consumers like you will fight for the open source :)02:17
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osiris_22how02:17
osiris_22do i make my desktop icons smaller02:17
osiris_22they look big and ugly as hell02:17
FTTPthere are open source advocates, commercial advocates, blah blah02:17
FTTPsladen this explains why there should NOT be software patents IMHO02:18
FTTPsladen with software patents tho, it turns things into courts like this02:18
osiris_22come on someone has got to have an idea on how to make the icons small02:18
FTTPpatents should not exist02:18
osiris_22they are big and ugly02:18
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: erm, why are you bringing patents into it. I thought I said *contract disputes*.02:18
tom__can anyone assist me with a CUPS question?02:19
FTTPsladen:  yeah but u dont have contract disputes if you dont have patents02:19
FTTPsladen:  the patents are the real underlying issue02:19
FTTPthe contract disputes are due to the patents02:19
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: not in any of these five casese, no02:19
FTTPyes........02:20
FTTPthey all had code they created02:20
FTTPpatent copywright maybe im not using right term02:20
FTTPeveryone wants a piece of the pie02:20
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FTTPsladen alot of them crosslicensed stuff i know02:21
FTTPbut02:21
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FTTPthey are basically fighting amongst themselves02:22
FTTPfor moola02:22
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FTTPits a power struggle/moola02:22
tom__your moola02:22
jcoletrey`: apt-get install gstreamer-plugins02:22
festerok i just got it installed02:22
FTTPsee lets assuming sco got a huge piece of the pie02:22
festerhow and the fuck do i use limewire02:22
FTTPit just changes around the money balance02:22
FTTPmicrosoft still is king02:23
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm not sure who 'they' is. But a quick read of Groklaw should bring you up to speed---indeed it has (like many people here) taught me a great deal about the US Justicial System02:23
jcolefester: put it in your mouth and hummmmm02:23
FTTPsladen :  Sco, novell, ibm, etc........ is they02:23
(sladen/#ubuntu) fester: limewire is a Java app02:23
tom__isn't this sco thing off tpic here?02:23
jcolefester: apt-get source java-package02:23
FTTPsladen:  Each will get their fair share back and each will have equal power02:23
osiris_22does anyone know how to make the icons smaller02:24
FTTPsladen:  The financial balance will mean each is back to square 102:24
festerhi osiris_2202:24
FTTPthat would be the ultimate outcome IMHO02:24
festerwhats going on02:24
osiris_22hey bro02:24
mojosladen: u use LimeWire?02:24
osiris_22so these peopel seem to have a problem helping me or something02:24
(sladen/#ubuntu) mojo: nope02:24
tom__osiris you can do it through Computer>desktop options02:25
osiris_22i cant find the option tom02:25
osiris_22thats why i asked here02:25
netmonkosiris_22, Open Nautilus, edit, preferences, default zoom level02:25
jcoleosiris_22: something you may like - http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/02:25
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netmonk"and there you go" ;)02:25
(sladen/#ubuntu) osiris_22: move future away from the screen02:25
(sladen/#ubuntu) osiris_22: move further away from the screen02:26
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netmonksladen, :)02:26
osiris_22yeah that link wont even open mozilla02:26
osiris_22wtf02:26
osiris_22anyway02:26
madsenArg, anyone tried installing Ubuntu in a chroot'ed env?02:26
madsenC'mon, don't be ashamed... Just say it... ;)02:27
tom__osiris hang on i was there just a few minutes ago i will see how i got the exactly ...02:27
osiris_22ok what is nautilus02:27
osiris_22where is that at02:27
netmonkhome folder, osiris_2202:27
osiris_22no its not02:27
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festerhow do u kill prosecces02:27
osiris_22run xkill02:28
festermy amsn crashed02:28
festerhow do u do that02:28
osiris_22just use game fester02:28
osiris_22umm go to applications02:28
paperfester, killall amsn02:28
osiris_22go to run02:28
osiris_22type xkill02:28
osiris_22and it will give you a lil do hick put it over amsn and clock02:28
osiris_22click02:28
osiris_22i cant figure out this icon zoom thing02:28
netmonkosiris_22, Open Nautilus, edit, preferences, default zoom level, 75% ;)02:28
osiris_22netmonk02:29
osiris_22i cant find nautilus02:29
osiris_22its not in the home folder02:29
mike998it IS your home folder02:29
netmonkosiris_22, when you open the HOME folder go to Edit02:29
mike998nautilus = windows explorer02:29
jcolekillall X02:29
osiris_22ok02:30
osiris_22i did that net monk02:30
RuffianSoldieri love doing that02:30
osiris_22but the icon size didnt change at all02:30
mike998preferences > icon view defaults02:30
osiris_22ok02:30
osiris_22i got it02:30
osiris_22im sorry02:30
osiris_22i was being a tard02:30
mike998change the default zoom level to something less than 100%02:31
mike998meh - I've done worse02:31
osiris_22now how do i install icons?02:31
osiris_22lmao02:31
RuffianSoldierlol02:31
mike998easy02:31
mike998download icons in a tar.gz or similar02:31
mike998open computer > desktop preferences > themes02:32
mike998you can figure it out from there02:32
festernow how the fuck do i get something to downlaod a mp3 with02:32
mike998did it today - it's fresh in my memory02:32
osiris_22ok02:32
osiris_22lmao02:32
mike998ahhh fester if you had been here earlier02:32
osiris_22fester02:32
festeryo02:32
osiris_22gtk-gntulla02:32
osiris_22or what ever02:32
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osiris_22joing that channel02:33
osiris_22they will help you in there02:33
mike998try searching for gtk-gnutella in your synaptic02:33
osiris_22nah mike02:33
mike998??02:33
osiris_22that verson isnt ready for use02:33
osiris_22he needs to go tot he site and dl it02:33
mike998oh02:33
osiris_22they will help him in #gtk-gnutella02:33
mike998not a worry02:33
tom__how do i print to a printer on another pc?02:33
osiris_22hes my friend lmao02:33
osiris_22i was just on the phone with him02:33
osiris_22lol02:33
osiris_22we are both frustrated02:34
osiris_22so we dicided to get off the phone lmao02:34
xenonitetom__: is the other a gnu/linux pc?02:34
mike998well, I used to try FreeBSD and would have re-formatted by now02:34
tom__xenonite yes02:34
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mike998I have this feeling that Ubuntu may be the distro for me02:34
tom__its another ubuntu pc02:34
festersame her ubuntu i like02:34
xenonitetom__: so you have cups there, right?02:34
osiris_22this linux distro is handleable02:34
osiris_22lol02:34
festeraloy02:34
osiris_22i like it too02:34
tom__xenonite i can see the printer using the bropwser02:35
tom__browser02:35
tom__but my apps are ignorant of it02:35
mike998I'm a bit of a distro whore...  I've tried them all and got badly burned with a few... This is the first one I haven't hated totally02:35
xenoniteoha02:35
xenonitetom__: so try to add it with the gnome printer manager02:35
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tom__xenoite i thought cups took care of that02:36
xenonitedid you add it?02:36
tom__i will now ... brb02:36
xenonitemom02:36
xenonitethe address is a bit tricky02:36
tom__ah yes it is ....02:37
xenonitetype `` ipp://remotepc/printers/LaserJet4 '' for example02:37
xenonitethat worked for me02:37
tom__is the remotepc its host name? or do i just use "remotepc?02:38
festerosiris_22: join the dv02:38
xenoniteinsert the hostname02:38
tom__and do i then have to configure the prinetr fully as well on this pc?02:39
xenoniteyes02:39
xenonitethe printer driver etc02:39
xenoniteand insert the name of the printer instead of LaserJet402:40
osiris_22i will in a moment02:40
mike998can someone refresh my memory on how I can allow multiple apps access /dev/dsp ?02:40
psyklopshm, I want to know that too...02:41
psyklopsI tried to use alsa and got it so at least xmms and mplayer can play sound at the same time02:41
psyklopsbut most everything else can't02:41
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mike998If I remember rightly you create a /dev/dsp.x and link /dev/dsp to it... something along those lines02:42
mike998I think there may be something useful in the FreeBSD docs02:42
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tom__oh strewth gnome cups manager aborted02:43
xenonitehmm...02:43
psyklopsI need a good video editor, I thought virtualdub had a linux version, but I can't seem to find it02:43
mike998crap - it involves virtual channels02:43
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psyklopsand kmenc won't install in ubuntu because of kde and qt libs02:44
osiris_22hey how do you spell that guntella word02:44
osiris_22lol02:44
mike998doesn't work02:44
mike998osiris_22: GNU Gnu's Not Unix02:45
xenonitepsyklops: you can install the libs02:45
osiris_22what are you talken about mike02:45
psyklopsxenonite, I have UBUNTU versions of them...02:45
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FTTPall of this groklaw stuff.... the truth is........... everything should be opensource :P02:45
psyklopsit wants other ones02:45
FTTPcomputing shouldnt be about moola02:45
FTTPall these legal arguments are pathetic02:45
cat_jesusWell it should *only* be about moola02:46
FTTPthere is only one which counts, us!02:46
psyklops  Depends: kdelibs4 but 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 is to be installed02:46
psyklops  Depends: libqt3c102-mt but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed02:46
FTTPcat:  We get fucked no matter what usually02:46
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xenoniteok i dont know02:46
FTTPcat:  Nothing wrong with a paycheck......... but when a CEO makes millions theres a BIG PROBLEM02:47
FTTPcat:  ceos should make a few hundred k max02:47
(sladen/#ubuntu) madsen: I tried a chroot install. I failed and just booted the CD in qmeu instead :)02:47
FTTPthe billion dollar payoffs is rediculous02:47
FTTPits all about big moola02:47
mike998FTTP: I agree02:47
cat_jesusindeed, especially when a CEO takes millions n bonuses and lays people off02:47
(sladen/#ubuntu) madsen: Debian debootstrap has the necessary patches02:47
psyklopsthe solution is either to go install the outsider libs (probably a good reason ubuntu has its own versions, something might break) or find some other video editor02:47
FTTPmike998:  YOu know david neeleman of jetblue?  only takes 200k a year02:47
mike998FTTP: happened at my company this week... bastards02:47
FTTPmike998:  And his airline makes millions02:47
FTTPmike998:  its 200k or 300k02:48
FTTPi forget which02:48
FTTPhe still drives an old car , blah blah02:48
FTTPjust like the rest of us02:48
mike998FTTP: best boss in the world I would liek to work for is Richard Branson back in the 90s02:48
cat_jesusThe thng that really gets me is the importaton of cheap T labor because02:48
FTTPmike998: Branson:  ROFL02:48
mike998he's turned into a bit of an arse right now02:48
FTTPyah02:48
cat_jesusIT labor because "we can't find programmers here"02:48
FTTPmike998:  You watch his tv show?02:48
FTTPi saw his one episode02:49
FTTPlame02:49
mike998hell no02:49
(sladen/#ubuntu) mike998: *cough*, there are other good, equally rich bosses to work for...02:49
mike998he used to know ALL the names of his employees02:49
FTTPmike998:  So?02:49
psyklopsno one knows of any video editing software besides virtualdub and kmenc?02:49
FTTPi know tons of people like that02:49
nevynpsyklops: cinerella02:49
FTTPremembering names is no big deal02:49
psyklopswoo!02:49
mike998they tested him one time and he could name and tell you about all his employees...02:49
mike998FTTP: he knew his employees02:50
mike998now...02:50
mike998pfft02:50
nevynpsyklops: it's pretty cool but it's not that exciting.02:50
FTTPmike998:  i get your point tho.... many ceos dont give a shit and only know their chief of staff02:50
FTTPerr02:50
FTTPin business your cfo, coo, etc...02:50
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FTTPmike998:  It means he pays attention to what his employees are doing02:50
FTTPwhich is good02:50
FTTPbut some use that for their own advantage too02:51
mike998FTTP: how very true...  I have worked at the same company for 6 years.. the past 4 I haven't had a pay rise.  Despite that I have an ex wife, a new kid and a girlfriend to look after on ONE wage....02:51
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cat_jesusFTTP: remembering names is a big deal for me-- faces are super easy though02:51
riffichello, anyone know why when nautilus launches, it hard locks my system?02:51
mike998FTTP: yes.  they do use that for their own advantage02:51
riffichoary, btw02:51
FTTPmike998:  I dont know your boss so i cant judge02:51
FTTPmike998:  But thats humans for you02:51
mike998I'm the same as cat_jesus02:51
cat_jesusI ran into someone a few years ago that I definitely recognized...I started talking to her and finally we realized that we worked in the same company 5 years prior. I had seen her in the halls but never met her.02:53
mike998I tend to be very friendly and everyone knows at least OF me02:53
tom__xenonite dang every time i go to add the printer i get the gnome cups aborting and when i restart it the app can see the printer but nothing happens02:54
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TalliesinQuick noob question I didn't see answered in the FAQ. I'm a windows guy about a fifth of the way into downloading the ubuntu distribution. Is this a good place to lurk and pick stuff up by osmosis, or should I be elsewhere?02:54
mike998Talliesin: stay here!  I am learning lots02:54
tom__agrees02:54
Talliesin:)02:54
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(sladen/#ubuntu) riffic: I don't know. Are you able to describe anything else?02:55
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rifficsladen: it hard locks02:56
rifficwhen gnome loads02:56
rifficand when i launch nautilus from xfce, same thing02:56
rifficso I assume nautilus is doing something nauty02:56
xenonitetom__: hm i didn't get that problem... sry02:56
rifficalso, hoary.02:56
rifficit started after a apt-get update/upgrade yesterday02:56
riffici'm too scared to try it again tonight.02:57
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riffici dont like hard resets02:57
tom__xenonite do you happen to have a router running dhcp there?02:57
psyklopscinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:57
psyklops:(02:57
xenonitetom__: yes02:57
rifficanyways if I knew how to get some sort of usefull feedback to you in the form of an error log or something I'd love to02:57
xenonitetom__: i don't think that matters02:58
tom__so maybe its the way i have that set up maybe02:58
rifficbut all I know is it locks and my mouse and keyboard lock02:58
psyklopsjust installed xlibs-static-dev to be sure too02:58
rifficand i cant do anything other than reset the system02:58
xenonitetom__: i go to bed now, it is 3am here02:59
tom__xenonite what network setup do you have02:59
tom__xenonite oops sorry ok ... ty fir the help02:59
xenonitetom__: no problem... but its too late for good results ^^02:59
tom__hehhehe02:59
xenoniteyca02:59
xenonitecya02:59
tom__bye02:59
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FTTPi think open source is the true winner of all the legal suits03:00
FTTPall the code will be opened up :P03:00
madsenHmm, can one get a list of vars available in xtemplates?03:00
FTTPhey its all opensource code, all GPL03:01
FTTPyou all lose, we win03:01
cat_jesusI'm kind of surprised that terminal server client was included in the default distro03:01
FTTPcat:  Why?? microsoft has it too03:01
FTTPcat: They have their own equivalent in xp pro03:01
psyklopscan anyone help me with my cinelerra problems?03:01
cat_jesusI'm glad it's there, it just seems a tad out of place03:01
psyklopsI copied the error above03:01
nevynpsyklops: how did you install it?03:02
FTTPcat:  No its not..... consider ubuntu on par with xp pro but BETTER and linux based :)03:02
Meshistophelesanother freeze bug,  desktop does not respond only mouse does.  Tried ssh'ing in, no go.  Tried crtl-alt-del, no go.  What to do?03:02
psyklopsI got an rpm, converted with alien, and installed with dpkg03:02
cat_jesusBut really how many XP users would use terminal services?03:02
nevynFTTP: all linux distro's I've seen lack features in XP pro.03:02
FTTPheh03:02
FTTPcat:  Oh wait thats not xserver?03:02
FTTPcat:  Its for regular terminals?03:02
nevyncat_jesus: lots. its on the start menu.. descuised as help and support03:03
FTTPi was thinking of the feature in xp pro for remote logins03:03
cat_jesusIt's does VNC, I just checked it out03:03
FTTPcat:  VNC?03:03
nevyncat_jesus: it also does rdesktop03:03
FTTPcat:  What does the terminal server do exactly?03:03
FTTPill check it out myself03:03
cat_jesusyes VNC allows you to have a virtual session on another linux machine03:03
FTTPoh03:03
FTTPso i could be on an xterminal from your computer?03:03
nevynpsyklops: there's the problem.03:04
nevyngo find a deb.03:04
nevynpsyklops: in fact there are a few apt source you can just add.03:04
cat_jesusI've been running Suse on most of the machines in my house and using the remote desktop that is included with that distro, it's VNC03:04
nevynremove the deb you made with alien first.03:04
FTTPi see03:04
FTTPcat:  so its remote desktop, then thats on par with what xp pro has03:04
psyklopsreally... I haven't heard of them03:04
nevynFTTP: it's not nearly as efficient.03:04
FTTPcat it should be in basic distros03:04
FTTPnevyn:  No im not saying which is better or anything03:05
psyklopsremoved03:05
FTTPlets leave msft vs linux out :P03:05
FTTPall im saying is its a similar type of app03:05
cat_jesusI just connected to my daughter's machine from this one using the terminal server client -- it worked on the first try03:05
FTTPcat:  In xserver?03:05
nevynFTTP: similar functionality. yes.03:05
FTTPcat:  Or just text login?03:05
cat_jesusyes, her machine is running Suse at the moment .. she insisted03:06
psyklopsso... where are those apt sources?03:06
FTTPoh03:06
FTTPcat:  For me its just me myself and I03:06
FTTPjust one puter03:06
FTTPover cablemodem03:06
FTTPso yeah i would never use that feature03:06
cat_jesusIt's weird having an 8 year old that insists on a linux machine03:06
FTTPcat:  no its not03:06
psyklopsfound one of my own03:06
FTTPcat:  It means she will grow up microsoft free03:06
FTTPcat:  If we had more kids like that, then microsofts dominance will be gone03:07
FTTPcat:  linux is better :)03:07
nevynshe'll get over it when she's a teenager..03:07
cat_jesusWell she does have a dual boot machine but she hasn't booted into win2k yet03:07
FTTProfl03:07
nevynand can't run the "fun thing" send by her friends.03:07
FTTPheh03:07
FTTPnevyn:  WINE!03:07
cat_jesusthere's always wine03:07
FTTPyeah03:07
TalliesinYes, you have to let them have the thing you want them to disapprove of.03:07
TalliesinOtherwise they'll just get into it as a rebellion thing.03:08
FTTPfor me 1 computer is fine03:08
FTTPno need for 203:08
FTTPfor the enterprise, then yeah03:08
cat_jesusthe biggest selling point... killing X with ctrl-alt-bkspace03:08
FTTPhehe03:08
FTTPcat:  Actually remote login is good for kids with machines03:08
cat_jesus"Wow! that reboots fast!"03:09
Qo-noSyou know folks the thing I believed that consciously or sub-consciously it is a disdain for monopolies and monopolistic practices (e.g. by MS) that's driving hordes into the arms of Linux along with MS's dubious record on security03:09
FTTPu can watch what your child is doing without em knowing :)03:09
FTTPheh03:09
nevyncat_jesus: to you or to her?03:09
cat_jesusshe said that03:09
nevyncat_jesus: why is that important/usefull?03:09
FTTPqo-nos:  Microsoft is evil03:10
FTTPqo-nos:  Sun is evil03:10
FTTPibm is evil03:10
FTTPsco is evil03:10
FTTPlinux is not evil!03:10
cat_jesussometimes something gets a little buggy like an xmms plugin and it's best just ot kill X03:10
Qo-noSI'm sure most here in this and other channels are a little left-wing (maybe not in other areas) in that respect i.e. anti-monoploists all03:10
FTTP:)03:10
FTTPgpl is where its at03:10
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nevynhrm03:10
rifficcrap another hard lock03:10
riffic=(03:10
Qo-noSLinux is a mass-based project ;)03:10
FTTPopensource benefits everyone03:10
psyklopsnevyn... new problems03:10
nevynFTTP: is SGI evil too?03:10
nevynpsyklops: shoot.03:10
rifficand i'm in xfce  i didn't even try to run nautilus03:10
rifficit just hard locked on its own03:10
psyklopscinelerra: Depends: libopenexr2 (>= 1.2.1) but it is not installable03:10
FTTPnevyn:  sgi has its own os right ?03:10
psyklopsand apt-get.org doesn't have one for that...03:11
FTTPnevyn:  then yes :P03:11
nevynFTTP: they're hardly using it on new deployments.03:11
FTTPnevyn:  well commercial is good cause it breeds progress03:11
nevynFTTP: they're mostly using linux but they have proprietary stuff for linux (CXFS)03:11
rifficanyways i'm goona try nautilus and cross my fingers it doesn't lock my system up03:11
(erik/#ubuntu) hey, I just switched from debian sid to ubuntu hoary - they SEEM to have the same emacs but pclcvs in ubuntu is messed up:03:11
FTTPnevyn:  i kinda agree in what david boies said about the balance thing03:11
(erik/#ubuntu) when you go to 'commit' something, and the $Id:$ updates in the file, it writes the change to disk but not to the buffer03:11
FTTPnevyn:  Linux wont go away ever03:11
(erik/#ubuntu) so the buffer gets "modified on disk" status and is annoying03:11
FTTPnevyn:  Dont get me wrong03:11
nevynFTTP: it might be replaced with the hurd or something better.03:12
FTTPnevyn:  But i think the balance is too much in microsofts court03:12
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psyklopsnevermind nevyn03:12
FTTPnevyn:  But if there was no capitalism, sun and sgi for example wouldnt be where they are03:12
cat_jesus"the tighter you squeeze the more systems slip through your fingers"03:12
nevynpsyklops: what was the solution?03:12
nevynjust out of interest..03:12
FTTPnevyn:  Sun used to be great.... but now due to cheaper components its not03:12
psyklopsdebian package that somehow wasn't in apt-get.org...03:13
FTTPi mean their competitors03:13
FTTPare beating em at price03:13
nevynFTTP: solaris is ugly I mean seriously.03:13
psyklopsor any repositories I have03:13
FTTPnevyn:  Sun was always used by engineers03:13
FTTPand the like03:13
FTTPnevyn:  It was never built for end consumers,,,, at colleges they had loads of em03:13
cat_jesusMVS is ugly too, if you are just looking at the interface03:13
nevynFTTP: I know. but. they're slow and ugly. sparc is elegant no question..03:13
nevynbut it's ugly.03:13
FTTPnevyn:  The engineering labs had literally hundreds of em03:13
FTTPat suny buffalo for example03:14
Qo-noSFTTP: while I think the tide is beginning to turn in Free Software's/Open source's favor. strange things do happen and can be an aid e.g. it may just happened that the FSC finds some inapproriate financial practices in MS and hehe another Global Crossings, Enron dawns upon the world ;)03:14
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osiris_22how do i ssh onto a server... im a network admin on an irc server.. and sometimes i need to ssh to add olines and such and like is there a putty for ubuntu or is there already a client built in?03:14
(xf_/#ubuntu) osiris_22: tried 'ssh' on the console?03:14
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FTTPqo-nos:  The antitrust suit even tho it never broke up microsoft already worked cause it opened up the door for all these lawsuits now like SCO, IBM, novell, sun, etc........03:15
mike998ssh -l <loginname> <ipaddress>03:15
huttansomething is wrong with my gnome after a basic install, sometines it wont load up after logging in, and now my gnome-control-center wont load03:15
osiris_22where do i find the console at is that the same as the termanl?03:15
FTTPqo-nos:  So microsoft wont be broken up, but they will be sued and continually sued03:15
FTTPqo-nos:  We are at a nexus now03:15
mike998osiris_22: console and terminal are usually interchangable terms03:15
TalliesinFTTP, of course one of those companies has also filed suit against one of the others about their Linux involvement.03:15
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nevynmike998: even tho they shouldn't be.03:16
FTTPtalliesin:  You mean SCO ?03:16
rifficgah, nautilus still hard locks my system03:16
Qo-noSFTTP: maybe I'm inherently bad...not that I'm wishing misfortune befall the thousands of MS employees BUT Gates and his practices e.g. lies has to dealt with03:16
huttananyone know what might be broke?03:16
FTTPqo-nos:  i agree03:16
nevynconsole.. the physical manchine.. terminal (text mode user interface) virtual terminal (kernel terminal emulator (F1-F6)) x-terminal-emulator (konsole gterm etc.)03:17
FTTPqo-nos:  Microsoft will not be able to mopolize the next years and next os's03:17
psyklopswhats with linux apps and opening many windows...03:17
psyklopsgimp and cinelerra do the same thing03:17
TalliesinFTTP, yes (but it'll fall to pieces, unless it already has and I haven't heard about it).03:17
Qo-noSFTTP: :) This world has enough space for a multitude of OSes and opinions on doing things03:17
psyklopsit kinda annoys me to have to use the other workspaces03:17
FTTPtalliesin: i dont know the specifics on the sco case......03:17
FTTPtalliesin:  we are definitely at a crossroads here tho........03:18
Qo-noSFTTP: it will take some time but the days of one dominant corporation dominating be it MS or IBM before is over03:18
TalliesinFTTP, they're claiming IBM introduced code to Linux that included SCO copyright and/or trade-secrets. The claim is dubious to say the elast.03:18
FTTPqo-nos:  yep...........03:18
mike998psykops: dunno if it helps, but I reduce my number of desktops and designate in my head labels for each desktop - one for work, one for browsing...one for nothing03:19
TalliesinQo-noS, you mentioned left-wing views above.03:19
FTTPtalliesin:  You mean like JFS?03:19
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FTTPtalliesin:  I think palmsource may go back into the business as well if the barrier to entry is cleared up :P03:19
TalliesinThe funny thing is that when you look at it from a leftwing view you say "MS, screwer of the masses, die!" and from a truly free-market view you say "MS, screwed by linux - life's hard get a fucking helmet".03:19
FTTPtalliesin:  Gassee's role has been raised over at palmsource03:20
FTTPi mean for OS For mainstream cpus03:20
Qo-noSTalliesin: I'm anti-monopolistc and a person who feels strongly the downtrdden should have the access to IT to prevent another kind of divide building up complementing the rich-poor divide. But I'm pretty right-wing in other aspects03:20
psyklopsmike, the problem isn't that the other desktops exist, but that some software pretty much forces you to place it on a separate desktop03:20
TalliesinIt's only protectionism disguised as free-market capitalism that defends MS.03:20
mike998psyklops: yeah... I hate the spatial Nautilus... that's one of the first things to get changed03:21
psyklopssometimes my desktop gets busy enough to warrant use of 3 desktops WITHOUT such apps03:21
osiris_22well thats not worken to well i need putty03:21
FTTPtalliesin:  what we need is a global and free os so that consumers can freely communicate, freely exchange with each other, blah blah03:21
Qo-noSTalliesin: what FTTP said ;)03:21
FTTPtalliesin:  Multiple distributions fine :)03:21
Talliesin(Of course that's a general left-wing argument against much of modern capitalism, which probably brings us deeper into big-P Politics than we should go :)03:21
mike998osiris_22: what's up?03:21
FTTPtalliesin:  Noone should control our information ie mass media style03:22
Qo-noSTalliesin: but politics and ideology is what drove RMS and many in Free software/Open Source i.e. users and devels alike03:22
osiris_22see it accepts my password if i use putty on windows03:22
mike998okay... and on linux?03:22
osiris_22but if i ssh using the termanal it wont take my password03:22
FTTPtalliesin:  right now microsoft means the balance of power is in the court of corporations03:23
TalliesinIt's also what stagnated them.03:23
osiris_22ill have to ask my boss about it03:23
Talliesin"Open Source" was better able to appeal to a range of wider ideologies than "Free Software".03:23
FTTPtalliesin:  microsoft internet explorer still uses html which is completely free although they use their own implementation over certain features and the like forcing you sometimes into internet explorer03:24
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FTTPtalliesin:  if it wasnt for html which is free, we would have to pay to use it :P03:24
rifficwould anyone help me figure out why nautilus is hardlocking my system and how to fix please?03:24
Qo-noSTalliesin: it is not a stagnating influence but can be interpreted in various ways. Some of the interpretations of RMS ideals found a home in Linux or in RMS's view GNU/Linux and GNU/Linux is emerging as a threat like no other MS has encountered i.e. Linux cannot be bought over03:24
FTTPis HTML an opensource concept?:03:24
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FTTPor someone owns the copywrite/patent on it?03:25
rifficno but it's an open standard03:25
FTTPriffic right but who owns the license/patent?03:25
TalliesinHTML is an open standard concept.03:25
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FTTPi mean where did it come from03:25
rifficits not licensed/patented03:25
FTTPwho developed it :P03:25
Qo-noSFTTP: I believe it is a standard of sort03:25
rifficit came from the w303:25
FTTPahhh03:25
FTTPw3 with mozilla too right?03:25
FTTPerr i mean mosaic03:25
FTTPwas w3 mosaic?03:25
TalliesinNo license, no patent. The W3C owns a trademark and technically could sue someone who claimed to be implementing it if they weren't.03:26
crschmidtmosaic came from NCSA. Specifically, UIUC.03:26
(jdub/#ubuntu) ycco: yeah03:26
crschmidtI think.03:26
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FTTPoh03:26
crschmidt(At least, that was our claim to fame when I was there.)03:26
rifficIn October 1994, Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the Web, founded the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Laboratory for Computer Science [MIT/LCS]  in collaboration with CERN, where the Web originated, with support from DARPA and the European Commission. For further information on the joint initiative and the contributions of CERN, INRIA, and MIT, please see the statement on the joint World Wide We03:26
rifficb Initiative03:26
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afshinhas anyone had experince setting up a WUSB11 wireless card?03:26
afshinunder ubuntu that is03:27
FTTPriffic right and that was a global standad03:27
rifficmosaic was a closed source browser that implemented the open standard of html03:27
TalliesinFTTP, nope, mosaic was only ever an implementation. "Ownership" goes TimBL (private project), CERN (TimBL was full-time employee), IETF, W3C.03:27
afshinis this the "support" channel?03:27
rifficbut it was freeware03:27
(jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: yes03:27
rifficjust licensed under ncsa's terms03:27
(jdub/#ubuntu) guys, please take the off-topic stuff elsewhere03:27
FTTPhehe03:27
FTTPsorry jbud03:27
FTTPerr jdub03:27
rifficand non-free license, if you go with rms's idea of 'freedom'03:27
TalliesinIETF with 2.0, W3C with 3.2 up.03:27
rifficanyways, someone help me fix my gnome plz03:27
FTTPyeah i hear ya03:28
FTTPtallisein + riffic #ubuntu-offtopic03:28
TalliesinWell, to bring it back to the topic.03:28
afshinif anyone can help me with my wireless woes please message me, or setup a chat03:28
Qo-noSriffic: freeware is not the equivalent of FREE as in e.g. RMS or Debian definition ;) provision of source code is necessary03:28
riffici know that03:28
rifficanyways, i joined because my nautilus locks up03:28
FTTPall who want to continue this discussion #ubuntu-offtopic03:28
rifficnot to nit pick on the finer merits of the word freedom03:29
Qo-noSFTTP: okie in a while...snack time ;)03:29
FTTPok03:29
FTTPanyways03:29
cat_jesusFTTP: as the general public becomes more technically saavy they will demand that the government use open source, this will hurt proprietary vendors dramatically03:29
(jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: take it elsewhere please03:29
cat_jesusThe US government is Microsoft's largest customer03:29
cat_jesussorry03:30
TalliesinOpen standards are related to open source (which is how we got there) in that open source developers (like those for ubuntu, see how deftly I sail back on-topic) can use as a solid measuring stick for their work and as for interfacing between components. But the same would also apply in a situation of rival closed-source developers, as long as there wasn't a single dominant player.03:30
(jdub/#ubuntu) Talliesin: dude, come on03:30
FTTPtalliesin:  #ubuntu-offtopic03:30
FTTPjoin there03:30
osiris_22is there scripts for xchat?03:31
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(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: it doesn't matter where it goes, it's just off-topic.03:31
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cat_jesusOh my god! Offf TOPIC!!!!03:32
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cat_jesusburn them!03:32
Rene_SNo new memo's :(03:32
afshinso is there anyone here who can help out with wireless?03:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: when off-topic conversations get out of hand, it's better to ask people to take them elsewhere, otherwise no one else will be heard.03:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: just ask your question please, don't ask to ask03:33
cat_jesusjdub, you point out the violators and I'll burn them at the stake03:33
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cat_jesusWe need to be extra vigilant03:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: cool it03:34
cat_jesusOf course we don't want to get off topic by pointing out that other are off topic, that would be .. well off topic03:34
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afshinI have a WUSB11 v2.5 USB wireless card and when I plug it in the prism2_usb module is automatically laoded, however when I used iwconfig it says wlan0 has "no wireless extentions"03:34
afshinhas anyone seen this before?03:34
(jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: is there another interface available?03:35
rifficso would anyone here have any idea how i could go about finding out why nautilus is locking my system03:35
Rene_Stry running it in a terminal window03:36
afshini'm not sure03:36
Rene_Smaybe it might generate some messages03:36
rifficit screams something about locales not being supported in xlib or something03:36
(jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: what is the output of just 'iwconfig'?03:36
cat_jesusI don't see a package manager... is there one?03:36
rifficbut I dont want to try it again to get the exact message because it will lock up again03:36
afshinafshin@makaveli:~ $ iwconfig03:36
afshinlo        no wireless extensions.03:36
afshineth0      no wireless extensions.03:36
(jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: computer > system configuration > synaptic03:36
afshinsit0      no wireless extensions.03:36
rifficand i'm getting tired of hitting the reset button03:36
afshinwlan0     no wireless extensions.03:37
afshinafshin@makaveli:~ $03:37
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(jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: hrm, not sure.03:37
cat_jesusah03:37
afshinyes strange, i might try using ndiswrapper?03:37
afshinor you have any better ideas?03:37
Rene_Shmm, odd I am not sure what that error would mean. maybe jdub might03:37
(jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: perhaps. i've never tried it myself. :)03:37
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(jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: the xlibs stuff is unrelated03:38
(jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: why do you think it's nautilus?03:38
rifficbecause when I try launching nautilus from xfce it locks up03:38
cat_jesusShould I let someone know that the live CD didn't work for my laptop?03:38
rifficand gnome locks up when it reaches that point where nautilus comes up03:38
(jdub/#ubuntu) can you move your mouse, or switch to a console?03:38
rifficit could be something else03:39
(jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: mail ubuntu-users03:39
bigtonyquestion: if you do a ./configure  then make then make install on say proftpd   how in the heck do you uninstall it?03:39
rifficno, the cursor and keyboard lock03:39
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riffici can't alt-ctrl-f103:39
f00ffixed the firefox problem03:39
(jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: you delete it from whereever it was installed. why did you build it?03:39
f00f:)03:39
rifficor alt-ctrl-backspace either03:39
(jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: can you ping the machine?03:39
bigtonymaybe cause i don't know what i'm doing :)03:39
riffichaven't tried that but my other computer is in my car03:39
rifficand i dont really feel like setting it up =(03:40
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(jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: you should install packages instead of building from source whenever possible03:40
(jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: and you're better off using supported packages (such as vsftpd)03:40
bigtonyok i'll make a note of that03:40
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: it simple enought to do both w/ checkinstall03:40
rifficif it's pingable vs not, what would that mean?03:40
rifficsome sort of kernel lock?03:40
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/03:40
(jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: that X is locked03:40
bigtonyok thanks03:40
(jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: you might be able to ssh in or something03:41
rifficokay i'll get my laptop03:41
bigtonyand vsftpd is a better daemon?03:41
(jdub/#ubuntu) X might be sitting there pulling 100% cpu03:41
riffici didn't install sshd yet03:41
(jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: yes, that's why we chose to support it :)03:41
bigtonyvery good (i'm still new so don't beat me up to bad yet :) )03:41
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: what about pure-ftpd?03:43
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tom__triffic it sounds like a font issue03:43
madsenHmm, can one set a bandwidth limit on apt-get? I never found out in Debian and I can't find out now. :(03:43
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: try trickle03:44
madsenGammaRay: trickle?03:44
Rene_Scoochicoo03:44
Rene_Shehe i cant read i thought he said tickle03:44
riffictom__: elaborate03:45
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madsenIsn't there some way of just passing apt-get a parameter or something?03:45
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: Trickle is a voluntary, cooperative bandwidth shaper. it works entirely in userland and is very easy to use.03:45
madsenGammaRay: Interesting... Tell me more... :)03:46
tom__riffic i have just been googling your problem ....03:46
bigtonyjdub: you and gamma thanks for the help gonna install that ftp you recommended03:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I didn't really help.. I just bemused a little03:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: trickle -d 25 apt-get install trickle03:47
PorscheBoyanyone in here using the latest nvidia driver(6629)?03:47
madsenGammaRay: I have no trickle... :(03:47
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: that would limit apt-get to 25KB per sec03:47
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: it's in universe03:48
madsenGammaRay: apt-cache search trickle gives nothing. :( I'm probably not in universe.03:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Section: universe/net03:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) here03:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: I misread you..03:49
madsenGammaRay: Oh, just found the two lines to uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list :)03:49
madsenGammaRay: Installing trickle now. :)03:50
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agwibowohello03:50
tom__triffic i have not seen your problem before but you may want to start here.... http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/locale/03:50
agwibowodoes anyone know... why mplayer does not give me full screen video....03:50
rifficokay i'm going to run nautilus, then try the ping/ssh thing03:50
agwibowoalthough i used full screen.. it is still a little box on the middle of the screen03:51
rifficwell i'll read that first03:51
zenwhendo you ahve ssh-server installed?03:51
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rifficjust installed it whoa zenwhen03:52
zenwhenhi there03:52
rifficx_Q03:53
rifficokay , running nautilus. bye03:54
zenwhenoh you ungrateful cad03:55
zenwhen>:(03:55
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Meshistophelesspent a few hours writing on bugs, to only have my system freeze.  That's it, its the last kernel panic for me.  You guys shoudl rethink your ppc support.  I mean warty is supposed to be stable.  te ppc defintely is NOT.  I hate to say it but jaguar been incredible more stable.  I've had to do more hard reboots with ubuntu-ppc in the last 2 days than I have with jaguar and panther in what 3 yrs?03:58
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stuNNedso if i have a p4 with hyperthreading support should i be running an smp kernel?03:59
tvon|x31I've only heard good things about Ubuntu PPC support...till now of course04:00
regeyahm.04:00
(scopecrp/#ubuntu) stuNNed yep04:00
regeyahrm.04:00
regeyasays bad things, then immediately leaves.04:01
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regeyaI've run warty on PPC, though it was a Gigabit Ethernet G4, not brand-new iron.  I found it to be as solid as the x86 release.04:01
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regeyaand as easy to install as the x86 release, happily enough.04:01
WWHello world.04:02
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rifficno ping/no ssh04:02
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) odd that he should leave a minute after he says that04:03
riffic?04:04
ElectroglasI am having trouble with a game port on an SB16 PCI. jstest does not see the device. I believe MAKEDEV may need to be performed due to an error on boot that states this must be done first. I do not know how to run MAKEDEV. Any suggestions?04:04
agwibowohelllooooo04:04
agwibowoanyone can help me04:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) or maybe typical of someone who does not have their facts straight04:04
agwibowomplayer does not give me fullscreen....04:04
agwibowoonly little box in the middle of the screen04:04
adoyretsamonagwibowo, did you try using the "F" key?04:06
yccojdub: hey bud... it's me "occy" ;)   could you msg me your email.  I have an idea I want to send you.04:07
WWagwibowo: I had the same problem.  I was told to use the -vo option, something like "mplayer -vo x11", but I never got around to actually trying it myself.  I've been using ogle for videos.04:07
paperanyone feel like helping try to get my usb Logitech Quikcam  found?04:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: mplayer -vo help04:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: try another output driver04:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) x11 does not streach here either04:09
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) stretch04:09
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) maybe your video card does not support xv, so it's using x1104:10
zenwhenOh04:10
zenwhenMplaye doesnt stretch for me either04:10
zenwhenwithout the gui04:10
zenwhenSo I just use gmplayer. With the industrial theme, it looks quite nice.04:10
yccojdub: nm, I googled.04:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) zenwhen: when video driver do you have it set to?04:11
adoyretsamonycco, hey man04:11
adoyretsamonnomasteryoda here04:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) -when +what04:11
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zenwhenxv04:11
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zenwhenI use xv04:11
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rifficjdub: it locked again, ping didn't respond and neither did ssh04:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) zenwhen: what happens if you do mplayer -vo xv ?04:12
stuNNedmplayer -vo sdl scales here04:12
adoyretsamonycco - MGALUG04:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I noticed that as well.. was the first I tried04:13
WWHas anybody used the Sound Recorder app in Applications->Multimedia?04:13
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madsenWW: It sucks... Bad!04:14
WWI'm trying to test this new microphone, but it is not working.04:14
zenwhenworks fine then04:14
zenwhenthanks04:14
madsenWW: use `rec` instead.04:14
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madsenWW: ... in a terminal.04:14
tom__riffic did u fix your nautilus prob?04:14
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure who I'm helping anymore04:14
yccoadoyretsamon: heh, hey04:14
afshinso I tried using ndiswrapper to solve my wireless problems, but when I do modprobe I get an error that says "Operation not permitted"04:15
adoyretsamoncool04:15
WWmadsen: I'll give it a shot...04:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) maybe x11 is just plain the default on ubuntu...04:15
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riffictom__: no it still locks04:15
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adoyretsamonafshin, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper04:15
PorscheBoyghgh04:15
tom__riffic try typing locale into a terminal window04:15
afshinhrm i'll give it a try04:15
rifficpastebin?04:15
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PorscheBoyjj04:16
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afshinok so i don't get that error anymore, but dmesg says:04:16
afshinndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=yes)04:16
afshinndiswrapper (check_coff_hdr:102): Alignment mismatch: secion: 0x1000, file: 0x20004:16
afshinndiswrapper (load_driver:1829): Unable to prepare driver04:16
tom__riffic what did it say?04:17
riffici cant copy and paste04:17
riffic=(04:17
adoyretsamonafshin, make sure version of windows inf file matches the hardware04:17
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rifficokay one minute let me figure out how to copy with this stripped down dumb terminal04:17
riffictom__: http://pastebin.com/12164804:19
agwibowohmmm....04:19
agwibowomplayer says that my computer supports MMX2 and SSE, but they are disabled.. how can i enable them?04:19
WWDo I have to change any settings to get a microphone to work?04:19
afshinwell i'm trying to install the .inf file that came off of the cd04:20
afshinthat was included with the hardware04:20
afshinI would assume that shoudl work04:20
tom__riffic i like this pastebin thing .... never seen it b4 :)04:20
afshinmaybe I should look for another version online?04:20
adoyretsamonafshin, which card04:21
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tom__riffic ok ... now we need to work out why nautilus does not like en_US.UTF-804:21
afshinWUSB11 version 2.504:21
afshinthat's a linksys04:21
adoyretsamonah04:21
adoyretsamonyea04:21
adoyretsamonlet me look04:22
afshinthanks04:22
zenwhenI have a version 2.804:22
zenwhenI wonder if its supported04:22
zenwhen?:(04:22
afshinbeats me04:22
adoyretsamonafshin,04:22
afshini hear that 2.5 has native support04:22
riffictom__: i'm not even sure if its a locale problem04:22
adoyretsamonin terminal04:22
adoyretsamondo a04:22
rifficit was working before I did a apt-get update/upgrade last night04:22
adoyretsamondmesg | grep usb04:22
afshinusbcore: registered new driver usbfs04:23
afshinusbcore: registered new driver hub04:23
afshinusb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 204:23
afshinusb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 004:23
afshinusb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 004:23
afshinprism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded04:23
afshinprism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb04:23
afshinusbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb04:23
tom__riffic no but its a reasonable line of enquiry given the error message u got04:23
rifficwith hoary04:23
afshini know it's loading the prism2usb drivers04:23
afshinhowever04:23
afshinwhen i do iwconfig04:23
adoyretsamonok04:23
afshinlo        no wireless extensions.04:23
afshineth0      no wireless extensions.04:23
riffici've been running hoary for a couple weeks now, nothing major until now04:23
afshinsit0      no wireless extensions.04:23
afshinwlan0     no wireless extensions.04:23
afshinso i wanted to try ndis maybe i'd have better luck04:23
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adoyretsamonafshin, modprobe prism2usb ?04:23
afshinso the module is already loaded, when i do lsmod | grep prism:04:24
afshinprism2_usb             78948  004:24
afshinp80211                 33904  1 prism2_usb04:24
afshinusbcore               119044  5 ndiswrapper,prism2_usb,uhci_hcd04:24
adoyretsamonok04:24
afshinit just doesn't register wlan0 as a wireless device?04:24
afshinif you know how to fix that it would be great04:24
afshinotherwise i could keep trying with ndis i guess04:24
WWIn the OSS mixer in Volume Control, I've turned up the Microphone slider, and Rec is checked for it.  Is there anything I need to adjust in order to record?04:25
adoyretsamonalias wlan0 eth1 ?04:25
agwibowohow to enable the mmx2 and sse support in mplayer????04:25
afshinhrm, should i be seeing a eth1 device though?04:26
adoyretsamonif you alias it then maybe you can do04:26
adoyretsamonifup eth104:26
afshinoh i see04:26
afshinlemme try04:26
afshinwhere do i put "alias..."?04:27
adoyretsamon/etc/modules.conf - i'm on suse right now ... anyone here know excact loc.?04:28
afshinwell there's /etc/modules.conf04:28
afshini could try that04:28
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tom__riffic does this give you any clues? ..... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=7656504:29
adoyretsamonafshin, look at ubuntuforums too04:29
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riffictom I dont really think that is my issue04:30
tom__riffic ok ... sorry i cant help :(04:31
riffici think x locking up when nautilus loads is my issue04:31
WWArgh.  I turned up everything in OSS mixer and ALSA mixer, but I'm still not getting any recording.04:31
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WWWhat would be the simplest way to test a microphone?04:31
afshinadoyretsamon, which forums exactly04:32
afshin?04:32
adoyretsamoni just search for that card04:32
adoyretsamonlet me see04:32
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Solkarishowdy all .. anyone know a way to force a install back to the baseline packages on the CD?04:33
adoyretsamonafshin, http://ubuntuforums.org/04:33
tom__riffic from googling it does appear though that locale inconsistencies with some programs can do exactly that04:35
WWHey, made some progress!  I had to select "Rec" under "Volume" in the mixer. I can now record.  Terrible quality, but it recorded.04:35
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riffictom__: hrm, any idea how to fix?04:35
rifficmaybe if I were to reinstall packages04:36
rifficor something04:36
tom__riffic not off the top of my head but its an interesting thing to try and work through04:36
rifficI followed the guide to unset my old iso locale and set the utf8 one04:36
tom__can or can't???04:36
rifficwhen i moved from warty to hoary04:36
tom__oops sorry wrong window04:36
Solkarisis there a way to reinstall the base packages from the cd without doing a complete reinstall of Ubuntu?04:37
adoyretsamonafshin, look at this too04:37
adoyretsamonhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/15713404:37
afshinthanks04:37
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tom__riffic hmmmm sounds suss then doesn;t it iof you have been making changes in this ballpark04:38
blue_owlcan anyone tell me how to get .xinitrc or .xsession to be executed on login? I've had no luck with this.04:38
afshinadoyretsamon, hah, yeah i've read that one before, i think i've seen the majority of faq's on the subject04:39
afshinhaven't seen one quite like my case though04:39
adoyretsamonlol04:39
afshinwhere the drivers are loaded04:39
afshini see it in lsusb04:39
adoyretsamoni have a user who had same issue04:39
adoyretsamonhe just bought another card04:39
afshinhah04:40
adoyretsamonbut yours should work04:40
afshinyeah well hopefully i won't have to resort to that04:40
afshinyou know of a distro that might have better support?04:40
afshini've tried mandrake04:40
afshinubuntu was a bit better though04:40
adoyretsamonif you have it this far04:40
adoyretsamonyou are very close04:40
afshinyeah i feel close04:40
afshini might try using the drivers from linksys site04:41
adoyretsamonafshin, i was going to say04:41
afshineven though they appear to be an older version of wglanctl04:41
adoyretsamoncheck the dmesg04:41
tom__riffic did you check out that earlier link i gave u on locale?04:41
adoyretsamonfor the actual version you need04:41
rifficyeah04:41
afshinwhere will it state the version?04:42
adoyretsamoni have that problem with the Intel chip i'm using04:42
adoyretsamonas part of the ident string04:42
afshinadoyretsamon, i'm sorry, but what am I looking for exactly?04:44
adoyretsamonafshin, try this04:44
adoyretsamon# lsusb04:44
afshinBus 001 Device 002: ID 066b:2212 Linksys, Inc. WUSB11v2.5 802.11b Adapter04:44
afshinBus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:00004:44
adoyretsamonyea04:44
afshinyeah i was pleased to see that04:44
adoyretsamonok04:44
afshinmy confusion comes from, iwconfig:04:45
afshinafshin@makaveli:/etc/modutils $ iwconfig04:45
afshinlo        no wireless extensions.04:45
afshineth0      no wireless extensions.04:45
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afshinsit0      no wireless extensions.04:45
afshinwlan0     no wireless extensions.04:45
adoyretsamonwhat does lsmod show04:45
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s0cksCD people need to ship every day. Not every 2 weeks :(04:47
afshinafshin@makaveli:/etc/modutils $ lsmod | grep usb04:47
afshinprism2_usb             78948  004:47
afshinp80211                 33904  1 prism2_usb04:47
afshinusbcore               119044  5 ndiswrapper,prism2_usb,uhci_hcd04:47
adoyretsamonman if prism is loaded too04:48
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afshini know04:48
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afshinwhat determines if something has wireless extensions or not?04:49
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afshinmaybe i should keep poking around with ndiswrapper?04:49
afshinalthough that might produce a conflict with the loaded prism module?04:49
adoyretsamonright04:49
adoyretsamonif the prism loaded by default04:49
adoyretsamonthen it should work04:49
afshinyeah, that's my understanding04:50
afshini've read thing about having to set some sort of flag04:50
afshinlike "doreset =1 "04:50
afshinwith this particular card04:50
afshinthat is when i'm doing modprobe04:50
afshinmodprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=104:50
afshinto be exact04:50
afshinlemme try it real quick04:51
afshini remember something not working with that04:51
adoyretsamonk04:51
afshinhere's what i get from dmesg04:51
afshinprism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded04:51
afshinprism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb04:51
afshinhfa384x_corereset: hfa384x_corereset not supported on USB on 2.5/2.6 kernels.04:51
afshinusbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb04:51
bigtonyquestion: to start vsftpd is it /etc/init.d/vsftpd and also after modifying the vsftpd.conf file how do you restart it? the howto i'm reading says use    /etc/init.d/xinetd restart but when i type that it says file or directory not found04:52
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: what about /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart?04:53
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bigtonyi thought i tried that lett me try again04:54
afshinaadoyretsamon, pparently the reset isn't supported04:54
adoyretsamonafshin, what happens if you unplug, plug04:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: xinetd is a controlling deamon for servers.. but it's a terrible idea for an ftp server becasue it starts a new copy for each user04:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm not sure of the exactly name04:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) exact name04:54
afshinfrom dmesg04:55
afshinusb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 204:55
afshinusb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 304:55
afshinusb 1-1: device not accepting address 3, error -7104:55
afshinusb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 404:55
afshinusb 1-1: device not accepting address 4, error -7104:55
bigtonywhen i type vsftpd restart i get can not open config file: restart04:55
bigtonybest bet to just do killall -9 vsftpd and then type vsftpd again?04:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hold off on the -904:56
afshini did it one more time04:56
afshinusb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 504:56
afshinusb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 004:56
afshinusb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 004:56
afshinhfa384x_corereset: hfa384x_corereset not supported on USB on 2.5/2.6 kernels.04:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) kill it normally04:56
afshinand now lsusb shows the device now04:56
afshinbut iwconfig still makes me sad04:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: tried sudo vsftpd restart?04:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm assuming you're in /etc/init.d04:56
bigtonyi'm in root with sudo -s04:57
bigtonyand yes to the dir04:57
bigtonyand when i did killall vsftpd i get no process to be killed04:57
adoyretsamonafshin, look at this - it looks like it needs the amelwlandriver04:57
adoyretsamonhttp://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=121804:57
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: is it running? ps -fC vsftpd04:58
afshinthat doesn't have to do with the amtel chip does it?04:58
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afshincuase i have prism04:58
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: if you started it w/ the script.. use ./vsftpd stop to stop it04:58
rifficwould it have been a problem if I had both the utf and iso english locales selected when I did my dist-upgrade a few weeks ago?04:58
rifficand had the utf one as the default04:59
afshinadoyretsamon, so i have v.2504:59
afshinv2.504:59
rifficwould that be why stuff is locking me up now?04:59
adoyretsamonok04:59
bigtonyi didnt' run the script04:59
bigtonyi just did a apt-get install on it04:59
bigtonyand then setup the config file04:59
bigtonyand ran vsftpd04:59
bigtonybut when i look in the ps -fC vsftpd it shows its not running05:00
WWIn the OSS mixer, why do I have to select Rec under "Volume" (and not under "Mic") to record something with the microphone?05:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) well you should try the script05:00
bigtonywhen i type vsftpd again it says 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket05:00
bigtonyok and the script is located where?05:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: /etc/init.d/05:01
bigtonyoh i go it05:01
bigtony./vstfpd start05:01
afshinadoyretsamon, btw thanks for your time05:01
bigtonytypo but you get the idea :)05:01
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bigtonyfunny thing is it doesn't list in ps05:02
bigtonyit said started th ough :(05:02
adoyretsamonafshin, np05:02
rifficanyways is there a way to force apt-get to reinstall everything, even up to date stuff05:02
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riffici think that might make this go away05:02
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: is there a /var/run/vsftpd.pid?05:03
bigtonylet me look05:03
bigtonythere is a /var/run/vsftpd/vsftpd.pid05:04
bigtonyi did a netstat -an appear to be listening on port 2105:05
bigtonyi also set /etc/hosts.allow  and added vsftpd ALL to there is that correct?05:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure if vsftpd reads that05:06
bigtonyok05:06
bigtonyi'm trying to connect to it now05:06
bigtonybrb05:06
WWmadsen: You weren't kidding. Sound Recorder is terrible!05:07
bigtonynope can't get in05:07
bigtonyi set Local to Yes05:07
bigtonyand took the annoymous and put a # on it05:07
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bigtonythats all i did cause from my understanding with that i can ftp to it with my username and password for here05:08
bigtonyand it will let me login to my home dir is that not right?05:08
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bigtonydang i typed ftp 127.0.0.1 it connects ask me for user id and i typed bigtony and it said denied :(05:10
afshinadoyretsamon, if i want to uninstall the current prism driver and install the one provided by linksys05:12
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afshinfirst of all would that be worth it, and second do you know how to remove the current prism drivers?05:12
Rene_Sc:\I386\winnt.exe would fix that for sure :)05:13
adoyretsamonif they are just loaded05:15
adoyretsamonthen doing rmmod prism205:15
adoyretsamonwill unload05:15
adoyretsamonjust make sure they are not called in the /etc/modules.conf05:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm not totally sure whats up myself05:15
adoyretsamonwhat is the dpkg command to remove a package?05:16
adoyretsamondpkg -rm ?05:16
afshindpkg -r05:16
afshini think05:16
adoyretsamonman dpkg05:16
bigtonyglftpd appears to be connecting :( let me see whats up with that05:17
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: local_enable=YES05:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I had to uncomment that05:19
adoyretsamonwill be back...rebooting due to kernel update05:19
bigtonyi did its cause glftpd is running i tried it first befor vsftpd05:20
bigtonynow i can't figure out how to uninstall this crap :(05:20
bigtonyi hate being a noob05:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I also had to uncomment chroot_local_user=YES05:22
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: either by themselves do not seem to work05:22
bigtonyok05:23
bigtonywell i'm having problems getting glftpd to stop running right now otherwise i could test that :(05:23
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) is that a server or a client?05:23
binarydigitserver05:24
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bigtonyi ran sh install.sh on it05:24
bigtonyand it setup the dir and all05:24
bigtonyjust don't know how to uninstall it05:24
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic.. well maybe you could msg me the contents of install.sh05:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I could probably figure it out05:26
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s0cksWaiting for CDs sucks.05:40
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lemsx1well, just finished upgrading from nvidia to radeon (ati)05:44
lemsx1flawlesss. worked like a charm05:44
lemsx1only drawback: aptitude purge nvidia-glx05:44
lemsx1and dpkg-divert for a libGL file05:44
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trickiehey anyone know how i can get to the zope admin interface? in the /etc/zopectl/default.conf it says the zope server will listen on port 9673, but i can't see it in my browser05:47
trickiethe log files only say that zope has started05:47
(bur[n] er/#ubuntu) nmap localhost ?05:48
mojoAre there any Debian package for Flash plugin which is built for Firefox?05:51
lemsx1and yo are sure that zope is running? do you have apache installed... etc...05:51
trickieyeah05:51
lemsx1flash-plugin-nonfree05:51
trickielemsx1, i can see some zope processes05:51
mojook05:51
lemsx1trickie, netstat -na shows some ports listening... see if there is something that you know should belong to zope05:52
lemsx1trickie, or use: sudo lsof | grep -i zope (or whatever the name)05:52
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jmhodgeshey, im trying to use the ubuntu live cd to fix up some partitions05:54
jmhodgesbut its telling me that a) that it is unable to align properly and b) that the partitions im trying to delete are in use and could therefore "lead to corruption"05:55
trickielemsx1, sudo lsof | grep -i zope is showing me zope related stuff... netstat -na isn't05:55
lemsx1jmhodges, did you fix your ati issues?05:55
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jmhodgesnow.. ive used parted quite a bit before, and that seems to me that it means that the hd should be mounted.. but mount turns up nothing05:55
jmhodgeslemsx1, oh yeah05:55
lemsx1trickie, does it show zope listening on some port?05:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: to make that more specific make that lsof -i05:55
jmhodgeslemsx1, dpkg-reconfigure.. im a dunce sometimes heh05:55
lemsx1jmhodges, i just finished setting up mine and playing UT2003 and other 3d games... not bad05:56
jmhodgesnice :D05:56
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jmhodgesah, to hell with it..05:56
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jmhodgesill use another disc05:56
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jmhodgeslater05:56
_scpI am about to pull my hair out... I just installed Ubuntu, and I am trying to share a printer with an XP machine using CUPS05:57
trickieGammaRay, sudo lsof -i | grep -i zope gives me nothing05:57
_scpI have done this before, but it is not working for some reason05:57
trickielemsx1, i can run zopectl start default to start my default instance, and i get no errors05:58
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: maybe just sudo lsof -i05:58
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: it should not be a whole lot05:58
lemsx1trickie, i have only use zope through apache before... i'm not sure how zope is supposed to "listen"05:58
_scpcan anyone help?05:58
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lemsx1trickie, you might need to read /usr/share/doc/zope/* more closely05:59
trickielemsx1, ok05:59
lemsx1trickie, especially README.Debian :-D05:59
trickieGammaRay, thanks... doesn't look zope is actually listening05:59
trickielemsx1, ok thanks05:59
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agwibowohelloo06:03
agwibowohow to enable mmx2 and sse in ubuntu06:03
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: come again?06:05
agwibowohow to enable mmx2 and sse support for intel chip in ubuntu06:05
lemsx1bbl06:05
agwibowocoz i run mplayer, and it says that they are disabled06:05
(crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: uname -r06:05
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discordis thier a package for the linux real player?06:06
agwibowowait..06:06
agwibowoit says:  2.6.8.1-3-38606:07
(crimsun/#ubuntu) discord: available via marillat's repository.06:07
(crimsun/#ubuntu) discord: well, the installer for realplayer.06:07
discordok06:07
discordhmm06:07
(crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: what cpu do you have?06:07
discordmaybe i should download the installer from real networks06:07
zenwhenThats where I got realplayer 1006:07
agwibowointel pentium 3, 500 Mhz..06:08
agwibowowell. mplayer says that they are supported, but currently disabled (the MMX2 and SSE)06:08
(crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: sudo apt-get install linux-image-68606:09
agwibowowhat's that going to do?06:09
agwibowois it safe to do that?06:09
agwibowois that kernel for my chip?06:09
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: that's a more optimized kernel for your cpu06:11
(crimsun/#ubuntu) you should no longer get those mmx/sse warnings when running mplayer06:11
agwibowook.. thx..06:12
agwibowowhy does ubuntu not do that by default? or did i download the wrong cd?06:12
(crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: because not every person who installs ubuntu has a 686-class cpu06:13
agwibowowhich chips belong to the 686 class?06:13
(crimsun/#ubuntu) pentium 2+06:14
TalliesinPII up06:14
agwibowoah i see..06:14
TalliesinBecause Pentium 1 would have been called 586 but you can't trademark numbers in most countries, so 286, 386, 486, *yoink*06:15
aitrusmaybe a better question would be why doesn't the installer choose a kernel based on the processor in the machine06:15
agwibowoyes06:15
agwibowowhy doesn't the installer choose the correct kernel..06:15
(crimsun/#ubuntu) aitrus: then it becomes complicated06:16
(crimsun/#ubuntu) some cpus don't implement certain instructions06:16
aitruscrimsun: as if installing a distro isn't complicated already =)06:17
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) better to stick with a kernel for the installer that is known to work06:17
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arun--ok, i installed the package bittorrent, so i do i start usingit?06:17
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mockingbirdhello?06:22
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pepsihow can i get xchat to open a new firefox window when i click a url?06:31
pepsiinstead of using the popup menu06:32
binarydigitid like to know that as well06:32
Hikaru79For the fglrx-driver is there a line you have to use after the package is installed to enable it, like there is for the nvidia driver?06:35
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g445rtyrty\06:36
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agwibowohmmmmm06:39
agwibowoi've installed linux-image-68606:39
agwibowobut it still says mmx and sse support are disabled06:39
agwibowoalso, how do i know what clock speed is detected by linux?06:40
agwibowocoz i saw it says Intel Pentium Celeron 2 / Coppermine 3, and it says 155 Mhz.. but my computer is 500 Mhz!!06:40
(jdub/#ubuntu) agwibowo: cat /proc/cpuinfo06:41
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agwibowook.. that's good06:41
Synnersonanyone know if there is a way to get ride of the Desktop directory?06:41
agwiboworelief me..06:41
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(jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: you can delete it, but nautilus will most likely create it again. why do you want to delete it?06:43
agwibowohow do i know if the dma for my dvd is enabled ?06:43
(jdub/#ubuntu) run hdparm -i /dev/dvd (or whatever the device is)06:45
agwibowook thx!06:46
Hikaru79For the fglrx-driver is there a line you have to use after the package is installed to enable it, like there is for the nvidia driver?06:47
agwibowohey thx to the person before who told me about 686 thingy.. i think everything is a little bit faster now...hehehe.. thx a lot06:50
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(jdub/#ubuntu) Hikaru79: the binary driver howto on the website will help you with that06:52
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osiris_22i gotta question06:52
osiris_22how do i access my floppys06:52
Synnersonjdub so I can just set my home to be my desktop .. find it easier with spatial .. easier to use for me06:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: computer > disks > floppy06:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: that'll mount it and open it06:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: yeah, quite a few people like that06:53
osiris_22how do i access my ntfs partition06:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: if you do that, the desktop dir won't be created06:53
(jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you have to mount it manuallu06:53
osiris_22how do i do that jdub?06:54
Synnersonok Ill give it a quick try .. thanks jdub06:54
Synnersonwell soon as my system is done updating06:54
(jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: mount -t ntfs <device> <location>06:55
osiris_22lmao06:55
osiris_22how di i find out the location?06:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) you choose the location06:55
osiris_22so it would be like06:55
osiris_22mount -t ntfs hd0 desktop?06:55
(jdub/#ubuntu) no06:56
osiris_22ok06:56
(jdub/#ubuntu) device == /dev/hda3 or something06:56
(jdub/#ubuntu) location == /mnt or somewhere similar06:56
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osiris_22it says it dont exist lmao06:58
(jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you need to know which device06:58
osiris_22how do i go about doing that man?06:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) perhaps run cfdisk, see what devices your partitions are06:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) don't change anything06:59
(jdub/#ubuntu) press q to quit06:59
osiris_22its hda107:00
osiris_22so how would i type it out?07:00
(jdub/#ubuntu) mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt07:00
osiris_22it says the folder contents cant be displayed07:01
Hikaru79Is there a line to check the full device name that your mouse is connected to07:02
Hikaru79?07:02
osiris_22is there a reason why i cant view the contents?07:03
Hikaru79Anyone?07:05
Hikaru79Full device name to a mouse in ubuntu?07:05
(crimsun/#ubuntu) /dev/input/mice ?07:06
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Hikaru79mice or mouse0?07:09
Hikaru79They're both in there07:09
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) the former, generally07:10
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rifficgah, still having lock problems07:20
rifficany way to go from hoary to warty?07:20
Rene_Sreinstall07:21
Rene_Sonly way i know for sure07:21
osiris_22how the hell do you install a damn window border07:22
osiris_22i installed it int he themes aread07:22
osiris_22area07:22
osiris_22and i cant find it07:22
osiris_22so how do i apply a window boarder07:22
Rene_SI ask my wife to do it she is more of an interior decorator07:22
Rene_S:)07:22
riffici'm not reinstalling07:22
osiris_22so n one has the sligtest idea on how to change window decorations07:23
osiris_22and the task bar?07:23
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Rene_Sin the theme box is  a place called theme detaiks07:25
Rene_Sdetails07:25
Rene_Sthat will let you choose borders07:25
Rene_Snot sure how the taskbar works07:26
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imnesAre there openoffice-ximian packages available for ubuntu?  Looks so much nicer than regular openoffice.  I know someone made them available for Dropline Gnome on Slackware.07:29
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(erik/#ubuntu) warty x86 looks Ximianey07:30
(erik/#ubuntu) warty amd64 doesn't07:30
(erik/#ubuntu) as far as I've seen07:30
imnesok07:30
(erik/#ubuntu) are you running amd64?07:30
imnesI had 64 I'm installing 32 right now.  Juggling 32 and 64 bit apps is no fun...07:30
(erik/#ubuntu) ah07:30
(erik/#ubuntu) really? I don't seem to have a hard time with it07:31
imnesSystem is an opteron so I was trying some 64 bit distributions.07:31
(erik/#ubuntu) apt-get install ia32-libs07:31
imnesSome things I can't get working under 64.07:31
(erik/#ubuntu) like what?07:31
Rene_Sriffic, you sure your nautilus is locked up and not just slow ?07:31
(erik/#ubuntu) I can run *doom 3* with it07:31
imnesZend Studio, the installer won't run for me.07:31
(erik/#ubuntu) ah07:31
imnesyeah doom3 works for me07:31
(erik/#ubuntu) well tell me if you prefer ia32 ubuntu on your opteron after :p07:32
(erik/#ubuntu) the only REALLY ANNOYING thing about ubuntu so far has been a crash in firefox's form autocompletion07:32
imnesAlso no plugins for the browser sucks.  But I installed the 32 bit version of the browser, and crossover office (which gave me all the plugins I needed), so that way I could have 64 bit totem and still have videos play in my 32 bit browser. Just a few apps I can't get going under 64 :(07:32
(erik/#ubuntu) hm07:32
imnesyeah I'll let you know.07:32
(erik/#ubuntu) I'm thinking about putting hoary on this amd64 to see if it has ximianized OOo07:33
(erik/#ubuntu) but I don't want to break it because my wife types papers on this machine07:33
imnesI think some of these programs will work under 64 bit just their InstallShield installer's don't run.  Maybe I can install them under 32 bit, make .tar.gz of them and then just untar them on the 64 bit system and run them...  I don't know.07:34
(erik/#ubuntu) there are installshield programs for linux?07:34
(erik/#ubuntu) O_o07:34
imnesyeah07:35
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) erik: you don't need that07:35
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) erik: there's the package manager..07:35
(erik/#ubuntu) I don't think I've installed software outside of apt-get or automake in like five years07:35
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imnesWell some programs, doom3, crossover office, zend studio, myeclipse, have their own installers and no .deb packages (so far as I know).07:36
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: currently, 32-bit compatibility is not yet really working in ubuntu.. from what I've heard07:36
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: true, but I think that's a Bad thing, and those people should fix it07:36
(erik/#ubuntu) ah yeah, I ran loki-installer for doom3 heh07:36
imnesTreenaks: I figured so, it kinda sucks in fedora right now too.07:36
(erik/#ubuntu) what is zend studio?07:36
imnesit's a PHP ide.07:36
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: you mean "an alternative to vim" ?07:36
(erik/#ubuntu) heh07:36
(erik/#ubuntu) why do you need a whole IDE for php?07:36
imnesyeah07:36
imnesit's a fatter slower vim lol07:37
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(erik/#ubuntu) emacs does php, hell, emacs will run php07:37
(erik/#ubuntu) actually that's not true, php is emacs's weakest point07:37
(erik/#ubuntu) it doesn't handle the php-code / html-code split very well07:37
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imnesI'm pretty good in vim, but never got comfortable using emacs.07:38
(erik/#ubuntu) once you get deep into emacs you can't get back out again07:38
imneshehe, is that a good thing?07:38
(erik/#ubuntu) I consider it good07:38
(erik/#ubuntu) it makes me hate everything else a lot more07:38
(erik/#ubuntu) like07:38
(erik/#ubuntu) EVERYTHING else.07:38
imnesWhat happened to the people on the login screen on ubuntu?  One day they were there, next day they were gone.07:38
(erik/#ubuntu) any place I can enter text I curse when there aren't emacs keybindings07:39
imneslol07:39
imnesI usually end up using vim keystrokes in IDEs, it's annoying.07:39
(erik/#ubuntu) I think some people were upset with the hot chicks07:39
(erik/#ubuntu) for GOD KNOWS WHAT reason07:39
imnesI saved the screens I guess I can just stick them back in.07:39
(erik/#ubuntu) where did they get that artwork anyway? someone convinced their railthin buddies to do a photoshoot, or did they rent some professional advertising models or what07:40
(erik/#ubuntu) professional-looking photography isn't really a "linux thing" heh07:41
imnesI don't know.07:41
Rene_SThe hot chicks werent the problem, i resented the skinny guy in the pics because it wasnt me07:41
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(jdub/#ubuntu) erik: professional models08:04
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) people looking at me from my computer screen tends to creep me out08:06
(erik/#ubuntu) jdub: ah08:10
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osiris_22\lmao08:14
osiris_22my friend cant get xmms to play his mucis08:14
osiris_22music files08:14
osiris_22lmao08:14
osiris_22its sooooo funny08:15
osiris_22im not having any problems08:15
potatohow ?08:15
osiris_22but hes having all kinds of problems08:15
osiris_22and hes gacked on dxm08:15
osiris_22lmao08:15
potatoso you're happy that your friend can't play music08:15
potatoremind me never to become your friend08:15
osiris_22no no no08:15
osiris_22lol08:15
osiris_22im trying to help him08:15
potatowhat does "gacked" mean ?08:17
osiris_22trashed08:18
osiris_22lol08:18
osiris_22*shakes his head*08:18
briareusgacked, fscked, b0rked08:18
osiris_22lol08:18
osiris_22yeah08:18
osiris_22he drank cough syrup lmao08:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: mp3 support isn't instaled by default08:21
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: also check for hung instances of xmms in the background08:22
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osiris_22it worked for me right away08:23
osiris_22but im having him install everything that says xmms in synaptic08:23
osiris_22jsut to be sure08:23
osiris_22he removed xmms08:24
osiris_22and hes reinstalling it08:24
osiris_22along with all the other xmms file08:24
Hikaru79Question... my friend just installed (we think) the driver for his ATI Radeon 9200; but he's not getting any 3d acceleration. Any ideas what the problem could be08:26
Hikaru79?08:26
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I think it's xmms-mad you're looking for08:27
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) could someone check to see if /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart works for them?08:28
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osiris_22how do i update firefox?08:29
osiris_22any ideas on how to do that?08:29
Hikaru79Download the installer08:29
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Hikaru79And follow the instructions08:29
osiris_22firefox.com?08:29
osiris_22or mozilla.com08:29
Hikaru79Either08:30
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brionOkay, that's slightly annoying. I mounted a drive in a shell, and a Nautilus window popped up and stole keyboard focus. :)08:31
mbbbrion: yeah, I'd like to turn that off too.08:32
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brionComputer -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable Storage; uncheck "Browse removable media when inserted"08:35
brionseems to do the trick08:35
briontechnically this drive is removable, but it takes a screwdriver ;)08:35
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osiris_22hey08:36
osiris_22i dotn happen to see my waste basket anywhere08:36
osiris_22umm where would it be?08:36
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) if it's gone from the panel.. add it again08:37
osiris_22actually its still there08:38
osiris_22its just08:38
osiris_22off from my field of view08:38
osiris_22how do i get it back into my field of view08:38
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FTTPholy crap08:41
FTTPmicrosoft took down freedesktop.org08:42
FTTPor some evil os company08:42
FTTPmaybe sco08:42
FTTPOn November 15th, freedesktop.org was compromised by a remote user. While we do not believe that any code or accounts have been compromised, we are in the process of rebuilding all our machines from scratch. We apologise for the inconvenience, and expect public services to start becoming available soon.08:42
FTTPmy guess :  EVIL SOFTWARE CO08:42
FTTPtrying to destroy freedesktop08:42
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) what a spectacular mix of paranoia and speculation08:44
(TerminX/#ubuntu) are there any Ubuntu specific instructions for captive ntfs?08:44
(TerminX/#ubuntu) friend wants to set it up and I can't be arsed to hold his hand right now :D08:44
FTTPgammaray:  isnt freedesktop.org and ubuntu linked?08:44
FTTPi mean have employees that work over there or something08:44
FTTPgammaray its not paranoia.......... someone is trying to destroy linux08:45
FTTP<microsoft> #108:45
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osiris_22how do i add a trash can icon to my desktop08:45
FTTPgammaray what os was freedesktop.org running?08:46
FTTPso i know NEVER TO USE IT :P08:46
=== FTTP does a webcraFT
FTTPerrr08:46
FTTPwhats the thing to show you wich software is on a website?08:47
FTTPnetcraft?08:47
FTTPApache/1.3.31 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.9-1 mod_auth_pam/1.1.1 mod_ssl/2.8.20 OpenSSL/0.9.7d mod_perl/1.29 DAV/1.0.308:47
FTTPoh shit08:47
FTTPdebian was compromised?08:48
FTTPdang08:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://lwn.net/Articles/111451/08:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) read up will you?08:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) it seems the Wiki software is to blame08:49
osiris_22how what about burning cds in ubuntu08:49
FTTPgammaray thank goodness08:51
FTTPi dont run twiki :P08:51
FTTPgammaray security is a huge deal now08:51
FTTPat least vulnerability is known and opensource code is there so it will be plugged08:51
FTTPmicrosoft would take years ;p08:51
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: nautilus can do that: places > cd creator08:52
FTTPgammaray think selinux would have helped?08:53
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jomohkeJust did a fresh ubuntu install (and have never used debian before). How can I update firefox to 1.0? (assuming I'm supposed to use the package tool, and not just download it from mozilla.org)08:53
osiris_22yeah but how do you burn a music cd and such?08:54
king_arthurjomohke: the package tool is normally the way to go but last week was not updated08:54
Hikaru79There's no package for it yet, jomohke08:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: if you drag wav files in, it will give the option to burn an audio cd08:55
king_arthurjomohke: just download from the firefox portal and click on install. It works :-)08:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: for more advanced burning, use k3b.08:55
king_arthurjomohke: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/08:57
jomohkeSo I should just download it from their site?08:58
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king_arthurjomohke: to install 1.0 yes. That's about the only option you have08:58
jomohkeHow far away would a proper package be?08:59
jomohkeIs it usually long?08:59
king_arthurjomohke: The Linux installer script will do it for you. It's easy08:59
king_arthurjomohke: What's long?08:59
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king_arthurjomohke: And what's far?09:00
Misirlouhola09:00
jomohkeI meant how long could it be before an official package is updated for firefox?09:00
MisirlouI saw the "You should never see this question" question and I'd like to confirm that I should select "warty" instead of "hoary", "grumpy", or "perky"09:01
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) jomohke: until hoary is released09:01
king_arthurjomohke: good question. Ubuntu are extremely in maintaining packages  but it's not up to them.09:02
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king_arthurjomohke: it 's up to Debian and universe09:02
Misirlousorry, I forgot to add that I'm performing an installation of warty-release-install-powerpc.iso09:02
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ChibiWow. FreeNX is nice.09:05
ChibiMuch better than VNC D:09:05
potatodoes it use the same protocol ?09:06
ChibiIt's a bit diffrent, so I'm hearing. And that makes sense. Does a lot of compression before it sends out. Runs MUCH faster.09:07
MisirlouI'm gonna go with "warty" then :)09:08
ChibiI was actually able to watch a movie over it :D09:08
ChibiThis'll really help out leaving home. Now I can take a 6 pound 133 mhz laptop around with me rather than a 40 pound ATX tower and 80 pound crt. D:09:09
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king_arthurhi there everybody, just recovered from a little firefox/chatzilla crash (still a bit unstable ;)09:13
king_arthurBTW yesterdy I got my Ubuntu install CD's Who are we gonna thank for that?09:15
king_arthurI just do it here... Thank you ubuntu :-)09:15
netmonkking_arthur, when did you order it, and where do you live?09:16
potatoChibi, but it seems like you have to pay for the server09:16
potatoafter the eval is over09:17
king_arthurI live in Italy and got them with the Ubuntu Cd order system09:17
Chibipotato - There's a gpl version.09:17
netmonkking_arthur, 10x for the info, I09:17
potatoChibi, would you have a url for it ?09:17
netmonkI'm just anxious to get the cd's09:17
ChibiBetter, repository with debs. :P09:17
potatoI'm not on a debian based distro09:18
ChibiThen why ya hanging out in here? D:09:18
king_arthurnetmonk: have ordered them?09:18
potatoso do they provide the source somewhere ?09:18
potatoChibi, like the artwork :)09:18
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Chibi:P09:18
king_arthurnetmonk: where about do you live?09:18
netmonkking_arthur, yes - 25 and I'm waiting, I live in Bulgaria09:19
osiris_22ok now the dredded question.. what about 3D graphics drivers for nvidia????09:19
ChibiI'm sure they have it around somewhere, in a winex style 'good luck compiling this' sort of dealie. D:09:19
king_arthurnetmonk: BTW they look real nice, nice artwork09:19
netmonkking_arthur, enough ;), I'm getting jelaous09:20
king_arthurnetmonk: did you now that with the live install jou have a bunch of open sofware you can directly install on winkozz?09:20
Chibideb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ <- the repository with freenx D:09:20
osiris_22so its not gonna be easy to get 3d working properly09:20
king_arthurnetmonk: sorry not live install but "live CD"09:20
netmonkking_arthur, no, I'm with Warty but I wanted the cd's to give away to friends09:21
netmonkking_arthur, but i have09:21
netmonkking_arthur, but i haven't heard that09:22
king_arthurnetmonk: if you are silly enough to keep windows you can install firefox, thinderbird, Gimp and another few directly from that CD09:22
king_arthurnetmonk: it's very usefull :-)09:22
potatothanks anyway09:22
ChibiWindows.. ewwwww D:09:22
netmonkking_arthur, no windows at home. just suse on the pc, and ubuntu on my toshiba laptop09:22
king_arthurnetmonk: like to hear that.. you are a wise man 8-)09:23
netmonkking_arthur, yeah! just had my third wisdomtooth come out, lol09:23
phlaegelosiris_22: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto09:24
king_arthurnetmonk: BTW I have no partitions left for winkozz on my PC09:24
king_arthurnetmonk: jut no space available :-)09:24
netmonkking_arthur, same here ;)09:25
king_arthurnetmonk: well good luck with your CD's you'll get them no worries09:26
netmonkking_arthur, 10x09:27
potatoChibi, it actually has a script in there to pull down all the sources :)09:28
Chibirawkin. :P09:29
potatoyou don't want to execute that on dialup, though09:29
potatohehe09:29
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Burgundaviaanybody here going to the conference?09:31
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osiris_22everytime i try to send a file on gaim09:35
osiris_22everything closes09:35
osiris_22and i have to reopen and log on gaim09:35
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mojo***prelink -ua09:38
mojodaniels: can u upload the new Nvidia driver?09:38
osiris_22is it normal for apps like gaim to fail like that?09:39
osiris_22or does that mean something is wrong with my junk09:39
Burgundaviaare you running hoary or warty?09:39
osiris_22it was the warty install09:40
brionAnybody happen to know where the PHP4 MySQL module is hiding? I seem to recall Debian hides it in a php4-mysql package, but I can't seem to dig up the equivalent on warty.09:40
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: That package does indeed exist, it is, however, in the universe archive.09:40
brionLathiat, thanks09:40
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: know how to add that etc?09:40
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brionno, but i will soon09:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) if you open up synaptic09:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) goto the repositories09:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) edit the main line and add unvierse on the end of it09:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) (the one with warty main restricted)09:41
brionoooooooh09:41
osiris_22like sending files was working in gaim09:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) (to the sections)09:41
Agrajagand multiverse09:41
osiris_22and then all of a sudden09:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: sending files on what protocol?09:42
osiris_22when i try to send a file it just all closes09:42
osiris_22umm idk09:42
osiris_22it was on gaim09:42
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) [that means its crashing] 09:42
Agrajagif you're going to add universe you may as well do multiverse too09:42
osiris_22ok why is it crashing09:42
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Yes but gaim speaks many protocols09:42
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osimsn, icq, aim, zephyr, irc, etc09:42
osiris_22oh in msn09:42
brionmultiverse sounds frightening :)09:42
osiris_22it did it in aim too09:42
netmonkosiris_22, the problem is in MSn ;)09:42
Agrajagbrion: multiverse is just the nonfree stuff09:43
osiris_22but it did it when i tried to do it int he aim part of gaim too09:43
osiris_22it just closed09:43
brionbah, if i want nonfree i'll install it on my solaris partition ;)09:43
osiris_22crashed what ever09:43
Agrajagit's still gratis, just not Free09:43
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: haha, universe is main from debian and multiverse is non-free/contrib from debian :)09:43
osiris_22should i not worry about it?09:43
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osircould be a new buggy version of gaim? who knows09:43
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiso have you upgraded since before it broke?09:43
osiris_22it was the gaim that came on the disk when i i nstalled it09:44
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hmm tabs and ^Wdont work very well on a very lagggy ssh connection09:44
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you havent upgraded since?09:44
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: the only way to know why is to run gaim in a debugger and show the output from that to the gaim devs.09:44
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) (from the online archives)09:44
osiris_22how do i gamma09:44
mass_quick poll, if I was going to format a very large hard disk, wanted to be confident that the filesystem wouldn't corrupt itself due to an immature driver, and wanted to be able to stay with my choice for several years.. what should I choose?09:45
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's a bit of a process.. you would have to recompile gaim w/ debigging support and no optimazation09:45
mass_jfs? xfs? reiser3/4? ext2? minix? :)09:45
Agrajagreiser 3.609:45
osiris_22i dont know how to do that lmao09:45
osiris_22haha09:45
AgrajagI say stay away from ext, I've had bad experiences with 2 and 309:46
osiris_22blah09:46
osiris_22i cant send any files09:46
osiris_22thats bull09:46
osiris_22im really mad over that one09:46
osiris_22lol09:46
osiris_22everything was working untill then09:46
Agrajagtry building your own gaim?09:47
osiris_22its worki8ng fine for chatting09:47
osiris_22it just wotn let me send a file as soon as i send a screen shot bam it all closes on me09:47
osiris_22its annoying09:47
brionLathiat, thanks; got it running.09:48
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: no problems :)09:50
mass_no comments on jfs or xfs? :)09:52
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass_: i stick with ext3, its never failed me09:58
Agrajagxfs is supposed to be fastest09:59
Agrajagnot necessarily most stable, I don't know09:59
Agrajagsomeone did a comparison of all the journaled linux FSes09:59
AgrajagReiser came out on top I think, with xfs close behind09:59
Agrajaglet me see if I canfind it09:59
Gnobodyhow do you make .deb10:00
Gnobody?10:00
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I stopped using Reiser after it trashed 2 important servers10:00
Agrajaghm10:00
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: from what?10:01
Agrajagwell everyone's gonna say they've had probalem with all of them I guess10:01
Agrajagproblems10:01
Agrajagor whatever10:01
Agrajagtoo tired to make a coherent setence apparently10:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: The Official Guide is here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/10:02
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: it's the official policy guide on creating packages10:02
mass_I'm kinda gearing towards reiser310:02
mass_perhaps one day there will be a migration path to reiser4 :)10:03
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mass_: just go with ext3, it's the most well-tested one10:03
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Reiserfs really doesn't have many advantages.. I can't name any..10:03
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kris_hi all!10:04
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) hi10:04
jomohkeWhat's the "universe" package things? Is it unstable packages or just unsupported?10:04
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: it's the packages from debian-unstable, with a few bugfixes, and it's not supported by the Ubuntu people10:05
kris_anybody using xchat?10:06
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kris_q: how do i change the color of the text in the talk "prompt"?10:07
kris_it's silver on white by default...10:07
kris_...hurts my eyes...10:08
(ryan/#ubuntu) hrm, i suddenly have a problem with xorg...anyone else have it bomb out saying it can't load the libfb.a module?10:10
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: no10:11
Burgundaviasorry, nope10:12
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: which driver are you using?10:12
(ryan/#ubuntu) nvidia driver10:12
Burgundaviakris_: I am, and mine defaults to white on black10:12
(ryan/#ubuntu) latest one10:13
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: latest or latest package?10:13
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: you should use the ubuntu package version10:13
(ryan/#ubuntu) it was working fine, then i shut down to install my sblive and when i booted back up i got the ol' gdm can't start the x server message10:13
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto10:13
(ryan/#ubuntu) i used the latest from nvidia.com10:13
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: don't do that.. use packages10:13
(ryan/#ubuntu) but like i said, its been working fine10:13
(ryan/#ubuntu) for the last 8 days10:13
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: yes, but if it breaks after rebooting, the kernel module must've broken10:14
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto10:14
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) we can't support nvidia's binary drivers.. use the ones in the package, and if they don't work use the 'nv' driver10:14
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(ryan/#ubuntu) very well10:16
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) you might need to re-install the restricted-modules package for your kernel10:17
(ryan/#ubuntu) at first i thought "nonsense, i've rebooted several times since i got the new driver" but the archive was downloaded 8 days ago too so i guess you're right ;)10:17
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) (as the nvidia-driver has likely overwitten the driver)10:17
(ryan/#ubuntu) i'm reinstalling nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev10:17
(ryan/#ubuntu) so far10:17
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Burgundaviaanybody here going to the conference?10:21
jomohkethe actual nvidia driver installer when you download it from nvidia compiles its interface for your kernel, would using that instead of the package work?10:21
jomohkeA little far away for me. :)10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: I am10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: he is using that, but it's not working10:22
BurgundaviaTreenaks: Anybody do you know that can help me find a hostel in mataro?10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: also, the package is better supported10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: look on the ConferenceAttendees page on the wiki10:22
(ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: thanks, that worked just fine :)10:22
Burgundaviajomohke: you are farther than most10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: and the Conference page10:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: it has a hostel10:22
BurgundaviaTreenaks: I did, but I cannot find a hostel with any of those links10:23
BurgundaviaTreenaks: The hostel listed is only 15+ groups10:23
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jomohkegnome.conf.au is in my city next year, so I'll certainly be going to that..10:23
(ryan/#ubuntu) i'll just wait till ubuntu puts the newer driver in thenb10:23
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: as I understand it, they only take reservations from group > 15 people.. smaller groups can go, but not make a reservation10:24
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: if I understand correctly10:24
Burgundaviaryan: You are lucky. I have no 3d support with my 960010:24
(ryan/#ubuntu) besides, the only reason i upgraded was to see improved performance with composite, and it was still quite glitchy anyhow10:24
BurgundaviaBurgundavia: ok10:24
(ryan/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: thats why i <3 nvidia10:24
BurgundaviaTreenaks: are you listed on the attendees page?10:24
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: yes10:25
(ryan/#ubuntu) i had a radeon 7500 once...for about 3 days or so10:25
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: but I've booked a room in thethe NH hotel10:25
(ryan/#ubuntu) took it back, scoured the town for an nvidia card, got my ti 4200 (when it was new)10:25
BurgundaviaTreenaks: ok, your real name is not what irc says it is then10:25
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: it's what /whois tells you10:25
(ryan/#ubuntu) but even 3d worked with the radeon 7500 ;) just not as well as i wanted10:25
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kris_help me10:26
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) kremlyn: context?10:26
(ryan/#ubuntu) joy to the world, xmms segfaults. ryannn isss impressed! o~/10:27
Burgundaviakris_: that did not fix it?10:27
kris_nope10:27
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) kremlyn: don't dcc please10:27
BurgundaviaTreenaks: Your trip will be much cheaper than mine10:27
kris_it's the same10:27
Burgundaviakris_: I am out of ideas10:27
kris_nobody else had the same problems?!10:27
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: I pay 150 for the return flight..10:27
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: euros10:27
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Burgundaviakris_: you can try removing and reinstalling xchat as a drastic last measure, just make sure you remove residual config as well10:28
BurgundaviaTreenaks: $1000 CAD for my plane10:28
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: ugh..10:28
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) Treenaks: with what airline are you flying ?10:28
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) sjoerd: basiqair10:28
BurgundaviaWest coast of Canada to Europe is not cheap10:28
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: true..10:28
BurgundaviaIf only I lived in Europe, boy would it be much cheaper10:29
kris_is there a config file for xchat?10:29
(ryan/#ubuntu) erm10:29
kris_...couldn't find any.10:29
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: just configure it from the menu.10:29
(ryan/#ubuntu) mplayer segfaults too now? :<10:29
(alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi10:29
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kris_i tried10:29
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: or ask on #xchat10:29
Burgundaviakris_: .xchat2 in my home dir10:29
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: reinstall xserver-xorg too..10:29
kris_thenx10:30
kris_i'll look into it10:30
BurgundaviaTreenaks: any idea of how many are coming? I figure about 10010:30
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: no clue..10:31
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: but the list is growing quite fast already10:31
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(ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: unfortunately didn't help10:33
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd like to rebuild a deb w/ no optimizations and debugging. So I do export CFLAGS="-g -O0" and dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot10:33
(ryan/#ubuntu) so xmms and mplayer mysteriously segfault now10:34
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) but it seems to be ignoring me10:34
(ryan/#ubuntu) but beep media player works...10:34
(ryan/#ubuntu) is it a gtk1 thing maybe?10:34
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(ryan/#ubuntu) aye10:37
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(ryan/#ubuntu) mupen64 segfaults too10:37
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: there's DEB_BUILD_OPTS or something like that10:37
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: but why rebuild?10:37
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: it must be a library thing..10:38
kris_ok, there's another thing, that suits this channel better..10:38
(ryan/#ubuntu) i'm thinking its because of my recent apt-get upgrade rather than the nvidia driver thing10:39
(ryan/#ubuntu) i apt-get upgraded when the x server wouldn't start, thought what the hell maybe this will help10:39
kris_what is the current best way to fix multimedia in ubuntu?10:39
(ryan/#ubuntu) heh10:39
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: so I can debug or atleast get a decent backtrace10:39
kris_is it apt-get install totem-xine?10:39
kris_-it is easiest way,10:39
kris_but...10:39
(ryan/#ubuntu) ok its not gtk1, cause basilisk2 is fine and gtk-theme-switch is fine10:40
(ryan/#ubuntu) grrr10:40
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: CFLAGS := -g -O0 in the rules file seems to do it10:40
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: there's DEB_BUILD_OPTS for that too..10:41
(ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: seems to have to do with gl...10:42
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: seems to do it also10:43
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(ryan/#ubuntu) ugh finally10:49
(ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: funny how running the nvidia updater with --uninstall _first_ and _then_ reinstalling nvidia-glx etc works so much better hey10:50
osiris_22how do i install a tar.gz file10:51
osiris_22i downloaded the newest amsn10:52
osiris_22but i dont know how to install it10:52
stuNNedanyone else have system loclups using smp kernel in good ole hoary?10:52
Exasparillaosiris_22: well,      tar zxf thefilename.tar.gz         will extract the contents.10:52
osiris_22i got it extracted10:52
osiris_22but what do i do then10:53
Exasparillaosiris_22: ok - i just went to the aMSN website.10:53
Exasparillaput that tar.gz down and just get the .deb10:53
Exasparillathere's a link on the Download page.10:54
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osiris_22yeah10:55
osiris_22ok10:55
osiris_22but10:55
osiris_22where do i dl the deb file at10:55
osiris_22like when i click ont he dl link10:55
osiris_22it dont say dl10:55
osiris_22its giving me all kinds of options10:55
Exasparillaosiris_22: i'll help.  hold on10:55
osiris_22and i have no idea what to get10:56
Exasparillayou running on an i386?10:56
Exasparillanot ppc?10:56
osiris_22yes 138610:56
osiris_22i38610:56
Exasparillaok.  Near the bottom of the page that you got to from the aMSN Download page, it says "Download amsn" in big bold letters10:57
Exasparillaclick the i386 button right below that.10:57
osiris_22ok got the file10:58
osiris_22what do i do next10:58
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Exasparillasudo dpkg -i whateverthefileis.deb10:58
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Exasparillaosiris_22: Do you have the "Universe" package repository enabled?  Is amsn there?10:59
osiris_22and thats it?11:00
osiris_22tis installed11:00
Exasparillaosiris_22: Save yourself some trouble by enabling the "Universe" repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  It looks like amsn was already there.11:01
Exasparillaosiris_22: for next time :)11:01
Exasparilladoes it work?11:01
osiris_22up it does nothen but let me try something ill brb11:01
osiris_22yeah but it was an older version of amsn11:01
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jlmonterop11:03
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jlmontero#ubuntu-es11:05
jlmonterohola11:06
Exasparillajlmontero: /join #ubuntu-es11:06
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osiris_22ok11:11
osiris_22now amsn works11:11
osiris_22do you know anything about installing java and putting it in the path for limewire or bearshare?11:11
osiris_22i got that gkt11:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) eww amsn11:11
osiris_22but my frien is incisting to use limewire or bearshare11:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) why not use gaim?11:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) amsn is ugly and old11:11
osiris_22lmao11:11
osiris_22i cant get gaim to be stable11:12
osiris_22its annoying me11:12
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) oh you11:12
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats right11:12
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) it works fine for me :)11:12
osiris_22everytime i try to send a file it crashes.. and it wasnt doing that before11:12
osiris_22but now it is so i give up11:12
osiris_22ok so about the java thing11:12
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osiris_22any idea how to do that11:12
husseinhello11:12
Exasparillayes11:12
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: i think theres somethign about java in the wiki11:12
osiris_22im a newb11:13
osiris_22lmao11:13
husseinhey, this is the official Ubuntu channel right?11:13
Exasparillaosiris_22: it's easy easy on debian.11:13
osiris_22ya gotta speak english11:13
kris_java is not so difficult to install.11:13
Exasparilladunno about ubuntu11:13
osiris_22well when i try to install limewire it says there is no vm installed11:13
osiris_22and i installed java11:13
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husseinI especially like the Gnome-ized OpenOffice.org11:13
husseincan I get the sources to it?11:14
Exasparillaosiris_22: how did you install java?11:14
kris_get java from java.sun.com11:14
osiris_22i installed the java on synaptic11:14
kris_install it in e.g. /opt/java11:14
kris_and make symbolic links11:14
osiris_22see with suse limewire jsut worked11:15
husseindoes anyone know where I can get the sources to the compiled binaries in Ubuntu?11:15
osiris_22but i cant use suse anymore11:15
osiris_22because of my lcd screen11:15
osiris_22it basicly said fuck you lol11:15
Exasparillaosiris_22: Here's what I do:  go to www.apt-get.org and search for j2re.  It'll give you a list of repositories you can add to your /etc/apt/sources.list11:15
kris_java:11:16
(ryan/#ubuntu) does anyone know what package x86dga.h would be in on ubuntu11:16
Exasparillaosiris_22: I use          deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./11:16
(ryan/#ubuntu) i tried searching packages.debian.org with the search package contents option, it said xlibs-static-dev11:16
kris_java: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=java+ln11:17
(ryan/#ubuntu) i have that, but i don't have that file still11:17
(ryan/#ubuntu) even after reinstalling the package to make sure11:17
Exasparillaosiris_22: then just install j2re from synaptic11:17
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osiris_22ok11:18
osiris_22i found the j2re thing11:18
osiris_22but i cant find the reposatory11:18
osiris_22and i have no idea how to add it either.11:18
kris_osiris: check out the link....11:18
kris_osiris: you do not need to install it via synaptic.11:19
osiris_22im looking at the link11:19
netmonkdoes anyone know is there a way to erase cd-rw with nautilus?11:19
kris_you'll have java in no time...11:19
Exasparillaosiris_22: you can do it kris's way, too11:20
Exasparilla:)11:20
mirakwhat is an hoary ?11:21
Exasparillaosiris_22: To do it my way you would type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and add that deb... line I posted above11:21
husseinsources? anyone?11:22
mirakwhat is an hoary ?11:23
mirakis that an animal ?11:23
mirakor something ?11:23
Exasparillamirak: It's an adjective meaning "gray with age"11:23
mirakok11:25
mirakbecause I read that on the de channel, but I don't see the point11:25
mirak<wasabi> You guys realize how bad of a name Hoary is right?11:25
mirak<wasabi> I just had to yell across my office: "Hey Paul, are you using Hoary?"11:25
mirak<wasabi> And of course all the women in the office turn and scowl.11:25
Exasparillawhory (whorey) sounds the same, but means "like a prostitute"11:26
Exasparillaall prostitutes are whorey, but hopefully *yours* won't be hoary.11:27
kris_lol11:27
Exasparillanow just watch that get archived until someday my fiance reads it ;) whoops.11:28
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hect0rhi, I've a problem with the installation : "Couldn't retreive libpam-modules" from "Debootstrap"11:30
hect0rdo u know a solution11:30
hect0r?11:30
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osiris_22umm i installed lime wire11:33
osiris_22but i cant find it to start the program11:33
osiris_22i went throught he install and everything11:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hehe i just demod ubuntu on my lapotp to my mum and shes sold so im installing it on her computer next week :)11:34
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) she said she wanted to type somethign so i gave her my laptop and said "figure it out", only took her 30 seconds :)11:35
osiris_22it installed to /root/limewire11:35
osiris_22but when it type whereis limewire11:35
osiris_22all i get is limewire:11:35
osiris_22but i went throw the instalation11:35
osiris_22and shit11:35
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: if you goto /root/limewire11:36
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) read the README11:36
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) should tell you what to do11:36
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) might have to run it from there with ./limewire or something11:36
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osiris_22i found it lmao11:37
osiris_22haha11:37
osiris_22its umm well haha funny11:37
osiris_22the exe11:39
osiris_22is a file with an ash on it11:39
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osiris_22sh rather11:39
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osiris_22and it only comes with a readme if you pay for it11:40
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osiris_22and im running the free one11:40
Exasparillais it working?11:40
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osiris_22like wheni click on it11:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) has anyone noticed that stuff you copy into the paste buffer always disappears?11:41
osiris_22i get a msg that says11:41
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) fairly quickly11:41
osiris_22its an executable text file11:41
osiris_22and i have to click run11:41
osiris_22for it to run11:41
osiris_22i dont get it11:42
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osiris_22but there is no11:42
osiris_22like link for it accept that sh link11:42
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: a .sh is a shell script file11:43
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) probably wraps the java crap or something11:43
nifanb'dia11:43
osiris_22so i shouldnt worry about that11:44
osiris_22just use it like that then?11:44
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) yes11:45
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) if it works, use it..11:45
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Arie2005hi, i got a serious problem installing Ubuntu11:51
Arie2005can i ask a question about it in this chan?11:51
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Arie2005: sure11:51
Arie2005kewl11:51
Arie2005downloaded the warty-release-install-i386.iso11:52
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Arie2005did a md5 checksum11:52
Arie2005everythings fine11:52
Arie2005installation goes well until the grub loader11:52
Arie2005it says: installing the grub loader and then freezes11:52
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Arie2005is this a common problem?11:53
(trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: no..11:54
(trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: what was the prior OS on that system?11:54
mojo_BeOS11:54
(trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: if you have a DOS boot disk... try formating your MBR and try again...11:55
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Arie2005I wanted a dualboot with winxp11:55
Arie2005I did a fdisk /mrb11:55
Arie2005uh fdisk /mbr11:55
pauloslfhi!!!11:55
Arie2005and try to reinstall11:55
Arie2005same problem11:55
(trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: I dunno then, sorry :/11:56
TalliesinHi, does installing Ubuntu need network connectivity, or is everything I'll need on the ISO?11:56
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: hey...11:56
Arie2005too b ad11:56
pauloslfi need help !!! i'm behind a proxy and i can't conect to internet!!! i can ping google but no net!!11:56
(trey`/#ubuntu) Talliesin: ISO is fine... will detect net config automagically anyways though :/11:56
Talliesin\o/11:57
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: your apps are configured to use your proxy?11:57
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: your proxy permits traffic to the sites you want?11:57
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pauloslfi define the proxy at ubuntu!11:57
TalliesinI'm sadly too used to having to let the machine contact updates.microsoft.com to finish an install.11:58
pauloslfyes proxy is free..11:58
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xukunre11:58
(trey`/#ubuntu) Talliesin: you can do that with Ubuntu, or not... whatever you choose :/11:58
pauloslfif i try open google at nautilus it open's the html code in text!!!! is this normal!!! firefox says conection refused!!!11:58
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: if you can ping google, means the system proxy is fine... now try setting it up in firefox, gaim, etc...11:59
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(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: Nautilus doesn't do anything with HTML, just thinks its a document :/11:59
pauloslfyes!! i have a dual-boot i'm using xp now...and proxy is fine..11:59
pauloslfbut...11:59
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skeffdoes Ubuntu support Reiser4fs?12:00
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: what part of "now configure proxy for the apps" don't you understand?12:00
(trey`/#ubuntu) skeff: umm, yeah...12:00
pauloslfthis part : where?? in firefox?12:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) pauloslf: he told you where, "firefox, gaim, etc..."12:01
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: yes... in all the internet apps you use...12:01
skefftrey`, umm..ok12:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: epiphany rocks because it uses the system settings, someone should patch firefox to use the gnome proxy, hmm i might do that this week...12:01
xukunwhy are the conlose fonts so big, vga=791 gives me sooooooo big fonts12:01
xukunin grub12:02
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) xukun: what resolution do you want it to me?12:02
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) xukun: *be12:02
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: should be some way to configure it for all of GNOME, and have it work for all Ubuntu apps... should be in Computer >> System Configuration >> Networking...12:02
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: would be handy :)12:02
pauloslfyou don't understand! firefox for linux is diferent and i can't find the place to change the proxy in fire fox12:02
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: yeh it should be settable in the networking tab with the profiles12:03
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: altho, it is settable in desktop preferences->network proxy12:03
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: epiphany is the only thing that i know that pays attention to that :)12:03
xukunLathiat: 1280x1024 that should be vga=792 or 971 for 1024x76812:03
(trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: edit > preferences ... general > "connection settings"...12:03
pauloslftanks!!! i'm going ubuntu!!!!12:04
xukunLathiat: or not?12:04
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: hmm, that should be moved to the networking tool imo... but yeah, that should work for ALL applications that are installed by default imo...12:04
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: I have used Epiphany for all of like 2 days in my life... never felt right to me :(12:05
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: i use it all the time i love it12:06
(trey`/#ubuntu) Then, when Phoenix was the name of Firefox... it didn't feel right to me either :(12:06
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: offers nothing extra, and I could never get any plugins like java to work...12:06
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) it offers being gnome extra12:08
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) flash and java both work fine for me12:08
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) actually i lie java isnt working in ubuntu but i havent installed it12:08
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: Firefox obey's GTK themes... and isn't as annoying :/12:09
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Plus, I can use Firefox on every platform I use... thats pretty handy if you ask me...12:10
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Plus it offers more features, while still not feeling bloated...12:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: what extra features does it offer12:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphany does everything i need12:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) its faster than ff too12:11
(trey`/#ubuntu) Epiphany = a lesson on how to take the GNOME HIG too far...12:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) on my 266 :)12:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: howso? its all dandy to mee..12:12
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) firefox is ugly, the icons are ugghh :)12:12
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: the toolbars take up too much room, there isn't enough customization... imo its slow, then I haven't used it in a while...12:12
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: Firefox is themeable... I am using an Industrial theme :/12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the toolbar in epiphany is like 2px higher than the FF one for me12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) yeh i knwo its themable12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats whats crap, you use up more ram with another widget toolkit etc12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) why i like the gtk of peiphany12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) firefox does, however, have more features, yes12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) but i dont use any of them12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphany uses gecko, everything works, has tabs, fairly quick, all i need, shrug12:14
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: widgets for the Linux browser uses GTK for widgets...12:14
(trey`/#ubuntu) I already said that... the only thing themeable are the icons...12:14
Karnaughtrey`: yes its themeable, when the mozilla site isnt borked12:14
Karnaughand you can actualy download themes12:14
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Karnaughactualy let me try get some themes since I'm bored as hell12:15
(trey`/#ubuntu) Karakth: *shrug* I use LaSage's themes... they aren't on the Mozilla site to start with...12:15
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trhrmm, the project karnhaha yeh12:15
Karnaughtrey`: got a URL?12:15
mojo_gosh, FC3 already shipped GCC412:15
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah12:16
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ^W and tab dont work well on lagged ssh at all12:16
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) mojo_: haha not surprised12:16
mojo_hope Hoary will ship GCC4 too12:16
(trey`/#ubuntu) Karakth: search Ubuntu's Bugzilla for "default firefox theme"... ;)12:16
mojo_Ican't find GCC4 in our respo12:16
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the progress bar on the tab titles is cute in FF12:16
childeWhere can I find a FireFox 1.0 package for Ubuntu?12:16
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hmm firefox is a little faster tytping12:16
(trey`/#ubuntu) mojo: more then likely will be 3.4... 4.0 isn't stable yet apparently...12:16
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphanys autocompleted entry box can be a bit slow sometimes12:16
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) you might make me a convert yet trey :P12:16
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: in Hoary :/12:17
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childeThe stock 0.93 version is a little old12:17
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: I don't wish to do that... use what you want, I am just stating why my choice is different...12:17
childetrey: I must upgrade to Hoary?12:17
scoonchilde: if you don't want to upgrade to hoary, you can set up a local repository12:17
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: or go get their installer do-hicky... yes...12:17
scoonchilde: i did that and then dl'd ff from debian12:18
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: hoary is quite stable though imo...12:18
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scoonchilde: take a look at -> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html12:18
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: oh i know, just thought id try it out a bit since i havent used it for a while :)12:19
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: do what scoon said, or just apt-get install apt-proxy, and read its docs...12:19
childescoon: Where is Hoary's repository?12:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: and i wasnt trying to make it a flamewar or convert, was just interested in discussing the differences from people experienced in using both12:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the different color address bar for secure sites is nice too12:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrmm12:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) it actually seems a little faster than epiphany now12:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) it didnt used to be12:19
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: same place... just change "warty" with "hoary"...12:19
scoonchilde: i just went to debian's site and did a search for it.12:19
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: its always getting faster... they concentrate on very little else...12:20
childetrey: Just s/warty/hoary/ ?12:20
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: there really isn't much to do due to wanting a simple browser :)12:20
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: yes, for /etc/apt/sources.list12:20
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: no going back though, so be warned :)12:20
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) what i want to write12:20
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) is a GTK app that uinpacks a tarball12:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) and attempts to build and install it12:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) using configure/autogen or12:21
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: I have been using hoary since they started populating the dir though, no probs really so far :)12:21
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(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: look at XFce's installer for inspiration :)12:21
childeOK. I'll try. Thank you.12:21
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(trey`/#ubuntu) </random_thought>12:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: yeh? ill have to grab that, it does that i take it?12:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: haha yeh12:24
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childeSo there is X.Org in Hoary! I'm going to upgrade!12:25
(trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: yup... its pretty much what you describe as far as I understand :)12:25
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: plus GNOME 2.9 :)12:25
childeBut does X.org conflicts with XFree86?12:25
(trey`/#ubuntu) Well, most of it...12:25
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: kinda... not really... xserver-xorg conflicts with xserver-xfree86... but other packages are just upgraded to 6.8.1...12:26
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: ah cool12:26
childeOK. So when I upgrade to Hoary, XF86 will be automaticly replaced with X.Org, right?12:27
danielsexcept you want to upgrade it all, not just install xserver-xorg12:27
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: the Debian based xfree86 packages were basically xorg already though...12:27
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: yes...12:27
danielstrey`: not really12:27
(trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: ?12:27
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danielstrey`: there were 300,000 lines of patches, but a *lot* more changed12:28
(trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: 300,000 patches disagree ;)12:28
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childeOK. I just love the drop shadow so much, heh heh12:28
(trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: I said "basically"... obviously it wasn't, else it wouldn't have said xfree86 still ;)12:28
(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: thats not set by default... the announcement (you can read @ the ubuntu forums) tells how to enable it though...12:29
danielstrey`: 300,000 lines of patches, not 300,000 patches12:29
(trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: thats what I meant :)12:29
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: are they context diffs?12:30
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: haha12:30
danielsLathiat: yeah12:30
childeOK. Thanks. But how do you call a person who use Ubuntu? Ubuntuer?12:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: so its not so big then :)12:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) childe: legend?12:30
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(trey`/#ubuntu) childe: I don't think it matters? never committed thought to it :/12:31
aarnemHi. I have a problem with gnome sound recorder. I can create sound file and play it but not save it. Any ideas?12:31
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childeOK12:31
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(trey`/#ubuntu) star*12:31
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Slikehi, how do i change the behaviour of my laptop's hdd? now it always stops, restarts again for a while, stops again,..12:32
cenerentolatrey: porno star...mmm..12:32
cenerentolamay i be your manager?12:32
(trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: :o what I need one of those for? :P12:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Slike: thats usual12:33
Slikedoes it shortens the life time of the hdd?12:33
cenerentolalathiat: ciao mate12:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: whatd i help you with? :>12:34
(trey`/#ubuntu) Slike: thats called "power management"... you can disable acpi if you want it to stop... not sure how once the system is running though :/12:34
osiris_22ok i got limewire running12:34
osiris_22and tuns of files downloading12:35
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osiris_22bearshare is nice12:35
osiris_22but12:35
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osiris_22i didnt feel like fucken with that12:35
cenerentolaslike: also sun-light, excessive low or high temperature, leaving a cd in the player while carrying it around... well also using the keyboard shortens the laptop's life12:35
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osiris_22so im using limewire12:35
(trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I prefer OpenFT or OpenNap... Gnutella as a whole kinda sucks imo :/12:35
osiris_22wich ive never had a problem finding anything on limewire12:35
(trey`/#ubuntu) bearshare and limewire are both Gnutella..12:36
cenerentolalathiat: well we talked about... dont know... maybe gdesklets... i just know you're blond12:36
osiris_22i havnt had a problem with gnutella12:36
osiris_22do they make a kazaa for linux?12:36
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: blond? lol12:36
cenerentolatrey: emule?12:36
(trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you don't listen to underground rap I guess :/12:36
cenerentolalathiat: something around golden-yellow...12:37
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cenerentolalathiat: a light color..12:37
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: i know, doesnt matter :)12:37
cenerentolawhatever it is... just plain light12:37
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) wtf12:37
(trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: eh... nah... usually giftoxic...12:37
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i cant spawn new terminals12:37
cenerentolathat the H2O2... you used for you hairs..12:37
cenerentola...hair*12:38
cenerentolasorry..12:38
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) its just scary cus i am actually blonde :)12:38
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cenerentolaahhh... dont you realized i actually sniff your pants every day in the gym?12:39
cenerentolagrammatically uncorrect... but you got the meaning12:40
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ok folks, what stops my machine from not being able to allocate any more ptys?12:40
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(trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: heh... incorrect ;)12:40
husseindoes anyone know where I can get the sources to the Ubuntu version of Openoffice.org?12:41
(trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: apt-get source openoffice.org12:41
cenerentola...that were..;) active part of the joke12:41
(trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: I knew that ;)12:42
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husseintrey`, cool, does that grab the one that was used to build the ubuntu or debian version of it?12:42
(trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: damnit dude... which you think?12:42
(trey`/#ubuntu) no it grabs the gentoo version :/12:43
husseinuh... Ubuntu12:43
husseinwell I am new at this12:43
husseinthanks anyway12:43
(trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: it shows :/12:43
danielstrey`: dude, don't be so harsh, ok?12:45
danielstrey`: there's no reason to be a prick to him just because he's new12:45
(trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: blah... it was a rather stupid question though :(12:45
aarnemOK, once again. Can anybody help me with gnome sound recorder problem?12:45
cenerentolatrey: you're damn"ly" to smart for me..12:45
danielstrey`: it might seem like a stupid question to you, but then again, asking about X server internals is likely to be a stupid question to myself, keithp, or anyone else who's hacked on X12:46
(trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: too... and not really... I've just been using the tools longer :)12:46
danielstrey`: if you know the answer and you want to answer it, just do so and be helpful, not abrasive12:46
osiris_22hey12:46
osiris_22my friend is having problems12:46
(trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: true... sorry man :(12:46
cenerentolatrey: i merely ;) meant <trey`> cenerentola: I knew that  ;)12:47
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osiris_22getting his internet to work in linux wile hes behind a router the only way is if hes directly connected any reason for that?12:47
cenerentoladaniels: even if you're a programmer... and you live at the bottom of the world... all my respect..;)12:47
cenerentolaosiris_22: what do you mean with directly?12:48
(trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: modem connected to his nic, rather then router to nic...12:48
osiris_22like instead of connecting through hsi router he connects his cable modem directly to his pc12:49
osiris_22and im behind a router12:49
osiris_22and i have no problems at all12:49
cenerentolaso the connection is ISP -- modem --- router --- pc ?12:49
osiris_22yes12:49
cenerentolatrey: is it offensive to use aussies for australians:12:49
(trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: default gateway should be router... make sure dhclient is working correctly...12:50
cenerentolawell is the souter setted correctly?12:50
osiris_22idk12:51
osiris_22im not at his house12:51
osiris_22im 1500 miles away lol12:51
cenerentolawell you can connect to is router.. thou12:51
(trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: should have him come here...12:51
osiris_22he was hear earler12:51
(trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: would be more useful :)12:51
osiris_22but hes kinda umm trashed at the moment12:51
osiris_22lol12:51
osiris_22hes one of them cough syrup drinkers *shudders*12:52
(trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then I really don't think he should be playing with such things anyway ;)12:52
husseinI installed Ubuntu on one of my lab computers 2 days ago, and it sorta had problems fetching things via apt-get during installation since I'm on a local 10.x.x.x network and the only way to download stuff is via a flaky http proxy12:52
husseinit's a nice gnome desktop, I really like it12:53
osiris_22im not a fan of gnome at all12:53
osiris_22im a kde fan12:53
husseinthat's ok12:53
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osiris_22but ubuntu dont seem to come with gnome12:53
husseinwe all have our choices12:53
osiris_22so im having to live with it12:53
osiris_22lol12:53
osiris_22and gnome isnt bad12:53
cenerentolaosiris: are you able to connect to friend-of-your's router?12:53
|progenic|excuse me, how to mount a samba share wif a password ?12:53
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osiris_22lmao no no im not haha12:54
Riddellosiris_22: you can install KDE quite easily12:54
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liesbetI'm having a problem shutting down my just installed Ubuntu system12:54
(trey`/#ubuntu) Riddell: how does that help him?12:54
husseinI have not tried Ubuntu at home yet, since I am reluctant to zap my current Slackware installation12:54
danielsLathiat: (fwiw, the diff between our 4.3.0 and X.Org is 4.3 million lines)12:54
cenerentolaliesbet: desktop, or laptop?12:54
osiris_22im a fan of SuSe12:54
osiris_22but12:54
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: haha nice :)12:55
liesbetcenerentola, it's a desktop12:55
osiris_22it wont work with my lcd screen12:55
liesbetit doesn't shut down12:55
osiris_22which blows donky nuts12:55
cenerentolahave you got apm in /etc/modules.12:55
husseinI'd still like to grab some of those OO.o sources though, is there a way to download from the ubuntu apt source repository without using apt-get?12:55
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: daniels did you compute that just to show off to me? :)12:55
liesbetit shows power off and it stops12:55
liesbetlet's see12:55
liesbetdon't have it12:55
KarakthSomeone called me?12:55
liesbetadding it12:55
osiris_22gnome seems easer to use than kde anyway12:56
liesbetcenerentola, thanks for the quick response :)12:56
osiris_22idk12:56
husseinIs it ok to do this, I mean... I hope I don't offend anyone by grabbing sources for another distro :)12:56
osiris_22i just like the way it has the 2 tabs12:56
osiris_22applications and computer12:56
osiris_22it makes it easer to find shit12:56
cenerentolaliesbet: im sure it has been quick.. let's see if it was correct12:56
liesbetgonna try it out12:56
liesbetbe right back12:56
osiris_22i need to find a program that iwll let me ssh onto the irc servers that im an admin of12:56
osiris_22blah12:57
osiris_22i used to use putty12:57
Riddellosiris_22: I do agree, the K menu needs a major tidy along those lines12:57
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: lol dude, you use ssh for that12:58
huzhello, i'm encountering a bug w/ gaim - it's 100% reproductable but i can't repoduce it when I launch it w/ strace. How can I provide the support with interesting materials to resolve it ?12:58
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: open a terminal and type ssh user@host12:58
osiris_22i just got putty of synaptic lmao12:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ah12:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) bad :)12:59
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mirakhi12:59
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liesbetcenerentola, that did the trick :)01:00
liesbetthank you very much!01:00
mirakwhen I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.01:00
osiris_22yes putty will do just nice01:00
liesbetI must say Ubuntu is much more pleasant then Fedora up till now01:00
mirakhelp01:00
liesbetUbuntu just works01:00
liesbetand it's the only distro that makes my dlink wlan work out of the box01:00
osiris_22also im needing some icons for like my msn links im maken and umm the incons they provide just suck01:00
Shadowphaxheh01:00
liesbetgonna add an entry for that on the wiki01:00
jomohkeJust curious - when the new version of ubuntu comes out, will I have to install it again from a CD - or can the package tool update it for me straight off the web?01:01
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husseinis this where it is kept? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/01:01
huzjomohke : the package tool will do the upgrade smoothly for you01:02
mirakwhen I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.01:02
mirakanyone have this problem ?01:02
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husseinbecause there seems to be like just this one big sources tarball...01:03
scoonwhen gdesklets get apt-gotten, where do all the desklets go ?01:04
scoonnevermind ; ] 01:05
aarnemCan anybody help me with sound recorder problem?01:05
huzaarnem : do you have a proper /dev/cdrom linked to a readable device ?01:07
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|progenic|excuse me, how to mount a samba share wif a password ?01:07
aarnemi think yes01:07
aarnemthe problem is with saving file01:08
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) |progenic|: i think if you navigate to it in the network explorer it asks for a password01:08
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) |progenic|: if you use smbmount, -o username=x,password=y01:08
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Dreamcatcherhello01:08
|progenic|but it's weird, i can't navigate my network thru network explorer01:08
|progenic|but if i use smbclient it works01:09
Dreamcatcherim wondering, i want to enable the root account cause sudo is anoying me01:09
Dreamcatcheris this possible?01:09
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: you can use sudo -s if you want a root shell01:09
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: rather than running commands like it01:09
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: however if you run sudo passwd root you can set a root password, but its not recommended01:09
Dreamcatcherk01:09
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husseinwell, thanks anyway...01:10
husseinI'll be going01:10
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osiris_22grrr amsn crashed on me01:10
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Shadowphaxlo Gmail01:12
Gmailhi01:12
GmailYAY the thunder stop01:12
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osiris_22im having trouble keeping my clock right01:15
osiris_22lmao its 7:15 in the morning01:15
volkerhi! i have two strange problems with my ubuntu installation - i hope someone can help.01:15
osiris_22and it says its 12 15 in the afternoon01:15
volkerthe first one: i have a second mouse pointer, which i cannot move ...01:15
danielsLathiat: partially out of curiousity01:15
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: ah ok :)01:15
scoonosiris_22: that just shows you how good ubuntu really is.01:15
osiris_22whats that supposed to mean scoon?01:16
scoonosiris_22: it knows that something really good is going to happen then.  and can't wait to get there.01:16
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osiris_22lol01:16
osiris_22right01:16
osiris_22lol01:16
osiris_22im gonna be sleeping at that time01:16
osiris_22so i mean01:16
volkerits a laptop installation with two mouse drivers, but both of them move the "real" pointer.01:16
scoonosiris_22: see..... has ubuntu let you down yet ?!01:16
osiris_22i would put this on mylaptop but there is no way its seeing my wireless pcmcia card01:17
osiris_22well scoon01:17
osiris_22i cant get amsn to be stable01:17
osiris_22and gaim wotn let me send files with out crashing other than that its ok01:17
scoonosiris_22: gaim has always had a problem sending files.  i have been using it for years.01:17
Gmailmy bios time on my old compter each time i'll reboot wound reset to 13 March 1997 (the day it was bought) because it didn't have a cmos battrey01:18
scoonosiris_22: what kind of card is it ?01:18
osiris_22microsoft lmao01:18
osiris_22thats why01:18
osiris_22lol01:18
Gmailosiris_22: have you checked that it isn't a hardware problem01:18
GmailWTF01:18
osiris_22check that what isnt a hardware problem01:18
Gmailis it plug in via usb?01:19
osiris_22is what01:19
osiris_22its a pcmcia card01:19
Gmailhu01:19
volkeri have a second mouse pointer, which i cannot move ...01:19
volkerits a laptop installation with two mouse drivers, but both of them move the "real" pointer.01:19
volkercan anyone help?01:19
Gmailyou have a mouse that is a pcmcia card01:19
osiris_22i think you got the wrong fellow gmail01:20
osiris_22lol01:20
Gmailohhh01:20
Gmaillol01:20
scoonhello, hello.01:20
volker:-)01:20
Gmaili saw that01:20
osiris_22i think you wanna talk to volker01:20
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) volker: Are you expecting there to be two different mouse pointers on the screen?01:20
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) volker: because that doesnt happen..., all mice inputs move the one and only pointer01:20
volkerno, it pops up when gnome starts, and i can't move it ...01:20
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volkerit's the old standard x pointer, and a bit anoying01:21
(mjg59/#ubuntu) volker: Yeah, you need to disable the hardware cursor01:22
(mjg59/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Microsoft wireless cards should be supported fine01:23
volkerhm, how do i do that?01:23
(mjg59/#ubuntu) volker: You need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-401:24
volkeri thought of that :-)01:24
(mjg59/#ubuntu) And in the device section, add Option SWCursor True01:24
volkerok, i'll try this one01:24
cenerentolaim leaving ciao01:24
alkirkhello01:25
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alkirkmjg59?01:30
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(mjg59/#ubuntu) alexissoft: ?01:31
(mjg59/#ubuntu) Uh01:31
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(mjg59/#ubuntu) alkirk: ?01:31
alkirksorry, new here01:31
alkirkI saw where you mentioned about editing the  /etc/X11/XF86Config file01:32
(mjg59/#ubuntu) Ah01:32
alkirkI had some problems getting X to work but managed to get it working using the frambuffer01:33
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alkirkframebuffer (sorry typo)01:33
alkirkNow I have an odd behavior happening01:34
(mjg59/#ubuntu) alkirk: You should probably file a bug01:34
unikumcan somebody help me to ghet gdesklets running? i can get it to work. shouldnt the deamon show up in processlist?01:34
(mjg59/#ubuntu) You shouldn't need to do that - it should work automatically01:34
alkirkI installed the nvidia drivers and thay are functioning but only for GDM.  When GDM logs me into GNOME it reverts to the framebuffer01:36
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volkerre01:37
volkerhm, the swcursor didn't help.01:38
scoonunikum: ps aux | grep deskl01:38
volkeri noticed that the second cursor apears when gnome-session is started.01:38
scoonunikum: that should show you something.  if not then gdesklets is not running.01:38
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mirakwhen I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.01:39
volkerso it's probably not an x problem but something with gnome ...01:39
mirakwich module is he talking about ?01:39
alkirkhave I configured something wrong?01:40
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(marcus|/#ubuntu) Is there a way to install ubuntu over a network? I can boot from my laptops external CD but linux has no drivers for it.01:41
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atropusthere is a recovery menu item in the grub menu, and when I select it after boot process I become root without password. Is it correct?01:41
PotajiTowenas01:42
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PotajiTohi01:46
atropushello01:46
PotajiTodo you know why synpatic exits when I choose a package? I'm using hoary, with xorg01:46
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) PotajiTo: yeh its a bug, i hink theres something in the FAQ about that01:46
PotajiTook thanks01:47
PotajiToi will see the faq01:47
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volkeratropus: this is ok - it boots with the "single" parameter, which should give you the root console01:48
PotajiTosorry Lathiat but could you give me a link? I can't find it via the search tool01:49
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skeffuhm, why is XChat interface in Swedish when I chose Norwegian as my language?01:50
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PotajiToaren't them the same skeff LOL joke01:51
skeffmore burning question though: How am I supposed to do anything as root when I don't know any root password?01:53
skefflike for instance changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to get more colors which for some reason is set low01:54
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atropusvolker: but anyone can use root console when they choose recovery mode01:54
(mjg59/#ubuntu) atropus: If anyone can get to the grub console, they can change the kernel paramaters to say init=/bin/bash01:55
(mjg59/#ubuntu) Which would give them root anyway01:55
PotajiTohum skeff use sudo01:55
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skeffPotajiTo, I tried 'sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' ..didn't do anuthing01:55
guptanhow can I open a picture in nautilus itself rather than opening it in a different application01:56
(rjek/#ubuntu) It didn't do anything? At all? Not even ask you for your password?01:56
volkeratropus: anyone with physical access to your computer will be able to get into the system - the only way to prevent this is using a bios password and password protect your grub01:56
PotajiToit doesn't work fot me with that way01:56
(rjek/#ubuntu) volker: That doesn't prevent it.01:56
PotajiToi have to cd to the directory, and then do sudo vim XF86Config-4'01:56
(rjek/#ubuntu) Most BIOSes have a backdoor password, or if that fails, you just short the battery.01:57
(rjek/#ubuntu) And then you just use GRUB on a floppy/CD/USB device/another hard disc.01:57
(rjek/#ubuntu) All bets are off if somebody's got physical access.01:57
skeffrjek, please address me when talking to me.  It didn't do anything no, I wasn't asked to set a root password so .01:58
stuNNeddoes loading alsa modules rely on hal?01:58
stuNNedor soundcard detection, rather01:59
guptanhow can I open a picture in nautilus itself rather than opening it in a different application01:59
skeffuhm, is root password actually the same password I set when I created a user??02:00
greg__afair nautilus is not a picture viewer02:00
(rjek/#ubuntu) You don't set a root password.02:01
(rjek/#ubuntu) root doesn't have a password in Ubuntu.02:01
guptangreg__, I know its a file manager, but it works in gnome 2.6 on my debian02:01
(rjek/#ubuntu) Sorry.02:01
(rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: You don't set a root password.02:01
skeffrjek, when I want to su root, I just use the password I set for my user..02:01
(rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: root doesn't have a password under ubuntu.02:01
volkeri wonder why this works - /etc/inittab is set to use /sbin/sulogin in single user mode, which should ask for the root pw02:01
(rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: Use sudo. Do "sudo su -" and it'll then ask for a password. use your password.02:01
(rjek/#ubuntu) (From the user that you created during install, 'cause that's the only use that's automatically given sudo access.)02:02
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skeffrjek, ok.. it's an unusual experience for me :)  I guess this resembles the way Mac OS X does it.02:02
(rjek/#ubuntu) I think Mac OS X resembles the way GNU/Linux does it more. :)02:03
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alkirkTried somthing still didn't work02:03
skeffrjek, I mean that you have one password to change system-wide settings.02:03
(rjek/#ubuntu) That's not really true.02:04
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(rjek/#ubuntu) I mean, you could give root a password, and remove your sudo abilities. Or you could give more users sudo abilities.02:05
volkerok, sulogin seems to be different on ubuntu - the debian version asks for a password, ubuntu just logs you in02:06
volker(if you are the init process or root :-)02:06
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reubenhi02:07
reubenwhat system requirements does warty on PPC have?'02:07
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mirakwhen I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.02:09
mirakwich module is he talking about ?02:09
greg__ide-cd?02:09
(rjek/#ubuntu) reuben: I'd guess a NewWorld PowerMac for a start.02:10
(rjek/#ubuntu) reuben: And them some RAM and some disc.02:10
(rjek/#ubuntu) I imagine it'll run just fine inside 256MB and 1GB.02:10
volkercu02:11
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skeffSeems applications not having Norwegian locale support chooses some other Scandinavian language.. can I change this default behaviour into reverting to English?02:13
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tolaHi, I'm having trouble mounting a FAT32 partition in Ubunu. What's strange is that the line in fstab is the same as my Debian Configuration but it won't work in Ubuntu. I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, or too many mounted file systems"02:15
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: sudo modprobe vfat (just a wild guess)02:16
tola(I should probably mention that the hdb disk wasn't connected during installation)02:16
tolasjoerd: na, that didn't help :(02:16
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) tola: whats the fstab line you have?02:17
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) tola: also might wanna check /dev/hdb1 is actually there02:17
skeffWhy am I unable to load .mp3 files, but .ogg works fine, in Rhythmbox?02:17
tola/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    sw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    002:17
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tolaif I do less -f /dev/hdb1 it returns output02:18
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(sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: you should mount int under /media, but that shouldn't matter for the error02:18
tolasjoerd: "int"?02:19
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: in :)02:19
tolasjoerd: oh right, why should it be under /media?02:19
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: new FHS stuff02:20
tolasjoerd: scary :P02:20
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mindtraphi02:20
tolais there a GUI front end to fstab anywhere?02:20
stuNNeddamn, just compiled my own kernel due to modem support now sound can't be detected02:20
Karnaughtola: uh.. if you're happy enough to mess with fstab, you shouldnt need a gui for it02:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: did you base your kernel config off ubuntus default one?02:21
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stuNNedLathiat, yes02:21
tolaKarnaugh: nah, just wondered02:21
mindtraphas anyone experienced problems after an update? by initrd seems to be gone away. so no booting anymore. :(02:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: odd then02:21
stuNNedLathiat, snd_intel8x0 get's loaded but with 0, undetected02:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: is it a different kernel version?02:21
stuNNedLathiat, based it off ubuntu's .config then compiled into kernel, not modules piix and other ide stuff due to hsf modem02:22
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) right02:22
mindtrapbtw. this happend after an fresh install02:22
stuNNedLathiat, same kernel verison 2.6.802:22
stuNNedLathiat, think it has something to do with hal02:22
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baschdhi02:22
stuNNedLathiat, should i try and compile alsa-driver from source?02:23
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: so you did cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config // make oldconfig // make menuconfig and ONLY changed the hsf driver to compile ?02:23
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stuNNedLathiat, only part didn't do is make oldconfig but the .config from /boot was there02:23
mirakgreg__: what ?02:24
stuNNedLathiat, did i need to make oldconfig?02:24
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: umm probably should have worked02:24
stuNNedLathiat, thought .config being there from /boot would work didn't need to do that02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: might help tho02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrm02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) odd02:24
stuNNedLathiat, hal complains upon boot some things disabled02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) no idea sorry02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: yeh probably cus you didnt use the ubuntu kernel patches02:24
greg__mirak:: ??02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i think theyve got some wack stuff in there02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i have the same thing02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) doesnt break my sound tho02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i dont use alsa either tho02:24
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i use oss, the alsa driver for my sound card is fscked02:25
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) sorry cant help more..02:25
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) could try getting the proper ubuntu kernel source02:25
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) patching and building off that02:25
stuNNedLathiat, no probs, how did you get dsp's generated from oss kernel module?02:25
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: what do you mean exactly?02:26
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: as in /dev/dsp or?02:26
stuNNedyes02:26
stuNNed /dev/dsp's02:26
stuNNedor /dev/dsp02:26
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) OSS modules make a /dev/dsp by default02:26
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) alsa only makes thenm with the compatability layer02:26
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) . /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are OSS things02:26
stuNNedLathiat, ah ok, i'll uninstall alsa and try oss thanks, do you just have your oss driver load at boot?02:26
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mindtraphas anyone an idea how to fix an missing initrd image?02:27
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: yeh and oh using ALSA is good if it works02:27
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: OSS is deprecated02:27
baschdhi...02:27
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: just my alsa driver (yamaha OPL3SA2) doesnt recognise my card02:27
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) and i tried to hack it up, didn't get too far02:27
baschdI've a problem compiling a atmel wlan kernel module...02:27
stuNNedLathiat, yes...i'll try oss just the same though, doesn't really matter, it's a laptop, would be nice to have sound though02:28
stuNNedanyways off to work, bbl02:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: cya :_)02:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: the other thing you could try is only compiling the module fo ryour modem against the ubuntu kernel source02:29
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: and using the ubuntu kernel02:29
baschdI installed the kernel headers and linked them to /usr/src/linux but if I want to compile the atmel wlan drivers (there are two of them...I tested both) make returns an error missing /lib/modules/kernel-2.6..../build02:29
baschdwhat can I do?02:29
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: you can probably specify where your kernel source is with the atmel builder02:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) either edit the Makefile or pass a paramater or something02:30
baschdLathiat well...that's not the fault of the kernel source...02:30
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: umm, correct....02:31
baschdLathiat If I remove /usr/src/linux make returs "There's no linux source"02:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) leave that there as well02:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) but you probably have to set somethign else02:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i mean you can also symlink the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build directory to /usr/src/linux02:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) possibly /usr/src/linux/include02:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) might work then02:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) not sure what specifics that build wants02:31
baschdLathiat this error seems to be caused because something in /lib/modules/2.6.../build is missing02:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: yeh so symlink that like i said02:32
baschdLathiat well I'll try that :)02:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: its just a smlink to either the linux source or the source/include, i forget which sorry02:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) im off02:32
stuNNedLathiat, yes, but ubuntu's default kernel config loads piix as modules and such other ide support, which causes the hsf modem driver to die, linuxant recommended building that stuff into kernel so that's what i did, using ubuntu's kernel sources02:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: ah ok02:33
stuNNedLathiat, i'll try oss or see what else i can do, hal complains at boot guess missing patches02:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: they probably wont break alsa tho02:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: *not having those patches)02:33
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baschdLathiat merci...that worked!!! :)02:34
swat_hi02:34
swat_i was under the impression that the intel centrino wireless stuff had now been integrated into ubuntu02:34
danielsit has02:35
swat_ah my bad02:35
swat_it is integrated - but it's dieing :(02:35
swat_ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection02:35
swat_ipw2200: Error allocating IRQ 702:35
swat_ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -1602:35
swat_^^^ likee so02:36
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swat_anyone have any ideas?02:36
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UnIDatahi, a software to admin the services (start, stop), thx.02:39
scoonanyone here using an HP 2510 printer/scanner ?02:39
mirakdamn02:41
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mirakwhy isn't CDFS module a default in ubuntu ?02:41
skeffuhm, I read the wiki and it mentioned something like installing totem-xine to get support for mp3 for instance..where do I find this totem-xine package?02:41
mirakwhy do we need to build it ?02:41
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skeffHow do I format my root partition for Reiser4 when installing Ubuntu?02:43
ceueject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument02:43
ceuI can't eject the cd02:43
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: you can't, reiser4 support is not available yet.02:43
ceuI have to eject it as root02:43
ceu(rights of /dev/hdc are ok)02:43
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: you can only eject it as the person who mounted it in the first place02:43
skeffTreenaks, crap, someone here told me otherwise02:44
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: unless you use pmount..02:44
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: oh wait other problem02:44
ceuTreenaks: cdrom is mounted automatically when I insert in my cd-rom reader02:44
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: then you shuold be able to unmount it as well.. using the GUI02:44
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ceuTreenaks: I obtain that error using the GUI too02:45
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: that's strange. did you install some other automounting stuff, instead of the default hal + pmount?02:45
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ceuno, but I've recompiled ubuntu kernel. I've disabled ACPI because mi laptop has only APM02:46
tolaif anyone is interested... "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    sw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0" should be "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    rw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0" (rw not sw). I've no idea why that line works in Debian...02:47
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: why not just pass 'acpi=off' to the kernel (using grub)02:47
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: also, if acpi isn't available, that is detected and acpi is not used02:47
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: just add 'apm' to /etc/modules02:47
ceuat boot HAL write a message, something like "your kernel doesn't support some features"02:47
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: that's the problem then02:47
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ceummm, ubuntu stock kernel lacks some APM stuff02:48
trey`daniels: you around?02:48
danielssup02:48
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: no, the ubuntu stock kernel has APM as a module02:49
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: and you have to load it by hand02:49
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: (or using /etc/modules)02:49
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: because it's not auto-detected yet02:49
ceu# CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set02:49
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: file a bug02:49
ceu(in /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-686)02:49
trey`daniels: hey, I get a flickering effect with the new Xorg packages when something on screen in scrolled/changes in some way... is this a known bug, or related to settings in some way?02:49
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: drive?02:50
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) +r?02:50
ceuTreenaks: ok02:50
trey`Treenaks: I don't follow?02:50
stuNNedTreenaks, does soundcard detection rely on hal?02:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: which drivre do you use?02:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: no, it's done by hotplug02:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: so it relies on the kernel supporting your sound card02:51
trey`Treenaks: driver? trident...02:51
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stuNNedTreenaks, ok, just recompiled an ubuntu sources kernel due to needing to compile piix and related into the kernel not as module now soundcard isn't detected by alsa or hotplug ?02:52
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: because I have the latest xorg and nothing is flickering during scrolling02:52
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: so it must be a driver issue02:52
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: why do you need those in the kernel instead of as module?02:52
trey`Treenaks: that would make more sense I suppose...02:52
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: strange, did you use the ubuntu config as a base?02:52
kris_hi all!02:53
trey`Kinda sucks though... and never saw it with xfree  :/02:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: xfree has other problems with trident (Xv anyone?)02:53
stuNNedTreenaks, linuxant drivers tech support suggested it, problem with i/o, the disk drive, and linuxant nonfree driver02:53
stuNNedTreenaks, yes, used ubuntu config as base02:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: linuxant.. there you have your probleme.02:53
trey`Treenaks: this is more noticeable/annoying to me though  :(02:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) -s/02:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) -e02:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: try playing with the different Xaa-disable options02:54
trey`Treenaks: aight... thanks  :)02:54
stuNNedTreenaks, yes but i don't have any other option to get the modem working02:54
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: I don't know what they're called exactly, but it might let you track down the bug02:54
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: get a non-winmodem.. that's the best solution..02:54
stuNNedTreenaks, it's build into the laptop, oh well, thanks anyways02:55
stuNNedbuild/built02:55
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I have a PCtel HSP micromodem :) not supported in any way.. just taking op space in my laptop ;)02:55
stuNNedTreenaks, :-|02:56
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I have wireless and DSL anyway..02:56
kris_what is the best way to play movies in ubuntu (all codecs)? is it by installing mplayer (as described in a sticky forum post) or is it better to play movies with totem- by installing totem-xine?02:56
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cenerentolahi ya there03:00
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:00
robertjhey all, what's the proper way to burn an iso with cdrecord when -scanbus doesn't turn up any entries?03:00
cenerentolatreenaks: could you plz tell me where i can find hoary iso?03:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: what's your CD-writer device?03:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) cenerentola: I don't know03:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: is it IDE?03:01
robertjyah03:01
robertjotherwise scanbus would show it03:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: then just use dev=/dev/hdc or whatever it is (check with dmesg)03:01
robertjthanks03:02
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willmjr: u there?03:05
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willanyone know anything on screen corruption running in 16bit colour?03:05
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: that depends, which driver are you using03:06
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: and warty or hoary?03:06
willTreenaks: hoary with an intel 81003:06
will(built in gfx)03:06
robertjTreenaks: thanks03:07
willworks fine in 24bit mode, but not 16, which i need for hardware acceleration03:07
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robertjtreenaks: I also used that value in xcdroast before figuring out that I had no clue how to use it03:07
robertjtreenaks: that is one horribe UI ;)03:07
skeffguys.. I tried installing package 'gstreamer-mad' to get support for MP3 in my Rhythmbox, but to no avail.. what do I need to do?03:07
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: read the instructions again03:08
willskeff: use xmms or totem-xine03:08
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: also, you might need to restart rhythmbox03:08
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: no, rhythmbox works fine03:08
carlosskeff: gstreamer0.8-mad03:08
skeffcarlos, ah ok..0.6 is in the repository.. how do I get 0.8 then?03:09
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carlosskeff: do you have "universe" in your sources.list?03:09
willTreenaks: any idea on the screen corruption?03:09
kris_has anybody successfuly "cloned" a dvd in linux? -how? -I really do not want to use Windows for that (am currently using DVD shrink).03:10
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skeffcarlos, yes, I wouldn't see gstreamer-mad at all if I didn't.03:10
carlosskeff: then, just apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad03:11
robertjdoh!03:11
robertjI just wrote a symlink to disk ;)03:11
skeffcarlos, what the hell is the point of Synaptic if I can't choose what packages I actually want to install?03:11
carlosskeff: if you are using synaptic03:11
carlosjust search for it03:11
toladoes anyone have a working dvb-t card in Ubuntu? I'd quite like to get my Hauppauge Nova-T working.03:12
carlosif it's available from apt-get it should be available from synaptic03:12
robertjwhere does the right click to burn iso source code live03:12
skeffoh god, what quirky system03:12
robertjis it a nautilus plugin or coded in?03:12
carlosrobertj: nautilus-cd-burner03:12
carlosa kind of plugin03:12
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skeffis it possible to manage a playlist with Rhythmbox?03:19
robertjhrmm, cd drive is failing with timeouts after hoary upgrade03:19
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kris_has anybody successfuly "cloned" a dvd in linux? -how? -I really do not want to use Windows for that, but it's so easy using DVD shrink...03:20
kris_anybody?03:20
stonegu1Anyone know how to open ports 6881-9 for azureus?03:20
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willstonegul: azureus worked for me with no problems03:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stonegu1: no ports are closed on ubuntu, thats probably somethign to do with your router and we cant help you there, read your router/modem manual03:21
willdoes anyone know about screen corruption here?03:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: what driver are you using?03:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: what kind of card03:22
stonegu1will, I'm getting NAT error on port 6881. I have hardware firewall, but ports are open there, and evrything ok under Windows.03:22
willintel 810 built in graphics03:22
mirakhi03:22
mirakwith wich software can I encode wav files to ogg or mp3 or flac ?03:23
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willstonegul: check your firewall/router config...it must be something there 99.9% sure03:23
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willTreenaks: is it a shared memory problem?03:25
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skeffcan I get amarok working in Ubuntu=03:26
mirakskeff: yes03:26
mirakinstall it03:26
mirakand run amarokapp03:26
mirakfirst03:26
mirakthen amarok03:26
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: it could be.. could be a lot of different things03:26
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mirakwith wich software can I encode wav files to ogg or mp3 or flac ?03:26
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: which version are you using? warty or hoary?03:26
stonegu1will - I think blockage is in ubuntu configuration, but I can't find anything relating to firewall component. Any clues?03:27
(rjek/#ubuntu) mirak: ogg123, lame, and flac, respectively.03:27
skeffmirak, the what? How do _install_ it then? I don't see an amarok package in the Ubuntu repository, main nor universe03:27
mirakskeff: un multiverse03:27
mirakin03:27
mirakyou should know that kde is in multiverse03:28
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(rjek/#ubuntu) Not ogg123. Duh. I'm not awake yet.03:28
(rjek/#ubuntu) oggenc.03:28
BWF89whats this chat for03:28
(rjek/#ubuntu) Chatting about Ubuntu.03:28
BWF89i'm useing live CD03:28
BWF89how to I get AIM03:28
willTreenaks: problem is, i only have a S3 card, maybe i should try that03:29
(rjek/#ubuntu) Have you tried gaim?03:29
(rjek/#ubuntu) I'm not familier with the Live CD.03:29
BWF89ok03:29
tolaI've noticed that dvb_core is loaded by default - not sure what that is03:29
BWF89I thought Gaim was it's own messenger03:29
(rjek/#ubuntu) I'd imagine gaim is your best bet, though.03:29
BWF89ill try that03:29
willstonegul: have u installed a firewall of anytype in Ubuntu? ie firestarter?03:29
(rjek/#ubuntu) BWF89: Gaim's a metamessenger. It does alsorts of protocols. Even IRC.03:29
BWF89just like Kopeka on SLAX03:30
cardadorBWF89: isnt it Kopete?03:30
BWF89no this is GAIM03:31
BWF89last week I was useing SLAX live cd and it had Kopeka03:31
cardadornever heard of Kopeka03:31
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mike998kopete?03:31
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BWF89ok, it's working03:31
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stonegu1will - no, my addins are Java 1.5 (from wiki instructions) and azureus. Since I have hdw router/fwall, I don't need anything for sfw/03:32
willhumm, and the azureus config, on the port test page could not open its port?03:33
skeffmirak, get bent, there is no amarok in universe, and there is no multiverse!03:33
stonegu1will - Exactly! I can d/l, but I want to be a nice guy and share :)03:33
mirakskeff: lol, go hung yourself03:34
mirakskeff: use hoary03:34
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willstonegul: of course otherwise you get booted of the site!!!, umm let me think a bit03:34
skeffmirak, I think perhaps coming from gentoo and not debian leaves me a bit disabled on Ubuntu..03:35
Karnaughskeff: it gives you the chance to use a real distro though03:35
mirakskeff: well debian is clearer on this03:35
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willstonegul: go to www.grc.com and try the ShieldsUP!! test, select custom ports and scan the azureus ones. That should give you an idea of their actuall status03:40
(mjr/#ubuntu) will, now I am, but don't know anything about the corruption thing03:40
(mjr/#ubuntu) will, if it's possible, I'd try if Hoary's X.org server fixes that03:41
willmjr: hi!03:42
willmjr: last night i tried the 16bit thing, but screen corruption at the top, then the screen seem to change res, then it froze up completely. had to drop to recovery and re-edit xorg.conf03:43
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MaFioZoXhi03:43
(mjr/#ubuntu) oh yeah, you _were_ using x.org already03:43
MaFioZoXwho speak french???03:43
deFryskthe french ?03:44
MaFioZoXI have a prob with my linux and im noob on it I need help03:44
(mjr/#ubuntu) will, well, try the dri mailing lists then. Oh, and did you muck up with the memory settings that I blathered about? Things like that could happen if it was told to use more memory than is actually available03:44
willoh, did not look at that, and i thought, this seems like an overlap in memory03:45
MaFioZoXlol03:45
willmjr: so if i cant configure the gfx memeory in BIOS, where would it be possible?03:46
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) is it possible to install ubuntu on an encrypted FS (even root?)03:46
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(mjr/#ubuntu) will, as I said, there might've been some kernel parameters or something, but you'll have to ask the dri people for spesifics03:47
willmjr: i dont even know how much memory its using...maybe winbloze will tell me03:47
potatoTreenaks, theoretically it's possible03:47
potatoTreenaks, you might need some initrd to boot it, though03:47
|m0rph|hy ppl, i'm having a problem here and need help03:47
willmjr: okay will get on to that03:47
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, ubuntu works with initrds anyway.. so it shuold be possible to "patch it in"03:48
potatoit is possible03:48
potatobut you'll have to do some reading03:48
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potatothe initrd howto is pretty good03:48
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://perso.crans.org/~segaud/dm-crypt-initrd-HOWTO.html :)03:49
|m0rph|i've updated to firefox 1.0 and since then my X doest start, i need to kill a bunch of processes then startx03:50
potatoTreenaks, so why do you ask then if you've got the right howto ?03:50
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: I just googled it up03:50
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potatoyou prolly need the appropriate crypto support compiled into your kernel03:50
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: but maybe there'd be an easier integrated ay to do it03:51
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potatoI don't really see the point of putting your whole root into an encrypted file system03:51
MaFioZoXhey I need help...03:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, my /home then..03:51
potatoeasier to just put your data into some crpyted loop for or such03:51
potatoand mount it in your /home/username if you must03:52
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, it's my laptop, so I have to mount it if I want to log in...03:52
ograjdub, Kamion, or anybody else from the team ?03:53
|m0rph|i've updated to firefox 1.0 and since then my X doest start, i need to kill a bunch of processes then startx03:54
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: did you update the package?03:55
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: or did you install some other version?03:55
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: the only way to upgrade to 1.0 reliably is by using the package in hoary -- if you don't want hoary, stick with 0.9.303:55
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|m0rph|i've updated03:56
|m0rph|used the hoary package03:56
|m0rph|but now i cant boot X without killing all processes03:57
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|m0rph|is says " an X window is already running do you wish do try another screen server .... "03:57
willogra: you part of the ubuntu development?03:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: use all of hoary or all of warty, not a mi9x03:58
ograwill: nope....03:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: and don't try to run 2 Xs at the same time..03:58
potatoyou can run 2 Xs03:58
stonegu1Will: OK. Says the ports are stealthed. A win98 bos on my lan says the same thing, so it must be the router.03:58
potatobut you have to tell it to use another display03:58
potatoand another user03:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: yes, but not by default03:58
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ograwill: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates  :)03:59
|m0rph|i've only updated do firefox03:59
|m0rph|and then that happened03:59
|m0rph|i'm not starting 2 x's03:59
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willstonegul: sounds right. Ubuntu never seems to block any ports...good luck with the router!04:01
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steinihi out there...04:06
Talliesinhi in here...04:06
steiniwhich packages must be installed to play DVD with totem04:06
steiniI installed totem-xine already...04:06
ograsteini: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats04:06
ograhi btw.....04:07
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steiniogra, yes I know I've to instal that libdvdcss but I can't find it with apt-get :)04:08
eduncanwhats the best way to update the kernel in Ubuntu?04:08
ograsteini: enabled universe and the marillat repository as described on the page ?04:09
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) steini: read the page better.04:09
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ograeduncan: synaptic ?04:10
steiniogra, I've already added multiverse and universe04:10
ograsteini: and marillat ?04:10
steiniogra, well I see...I forgot that ;)04:10
kensaisteini, you need marillat04:10
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steinithankyou :904:10
steiniperhaps I should really read more carefully *g04:11
kensaisteini, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main04:11
ograsteini: kein problem ;)04:11
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BWF89hey everyone im back04:12
BWF89could someone help me out with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=560504:13
BWF89is anone there?04:13
lemsx1BWF89, you are kidding right?04:14
BWF89im a linux newv04:14
lemsx1BWF89, you are installing stuff to the read-only CD?04:14
BWF89it trys to install to the cd?04:14
BWF89I thought it used ram04:15
lemsx1BWF89, no, it gets upacked (like WinZip does). you have to extract it... and then you would install it to the hard disk... you can't do that running from the live CD04:15
BWF89ok04:15
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lemsx1if you have enough ram you could, in theory, do a huge tmpfs partition and install it there04:16
BWF89so if I was running Ubuntu from the HDD it would just go to the setup program when I clicked the file I downloaded?04:16
lemsx1if you were running it from the HD, then it would act as you would expect04:16
BWF89ok04:16
lemsx1apt-get install mozilla-firefox04:16
lemsx1would install it for you04:16
BWF89I thought linux sucked because of this04:16
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BWF89good thing you helped out and didn't ruin it for me04:16
lemsx1np04:16
lemsx1linux does suck though04:17
lemsx1just less than windows04:17
BWF89whys that04:17
lemsx1:-)04:17
BWF89oh04:17
BWF89how to i make icons smaller?04:17
lemsx1because linux is not ready yet04:17
BWF89what doyou mean not ready04:17
lemsx1smaller? you must be a young dude04:17
BWF891404:17
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greg__lemsx1:: do u suggest that windows is ready?04:17
BWF89I told you im a linux newb04:17
lemsx1don't take my words literally04:17
lemsx1greg__, no, windows sucks more than linux... read again04:17
BWF89ready for what? Linux is mainly for servers04:18
BWF89but it's starting to get into desktops04:18
lemsx1BWF89, it's not "ready" i should've written04:18
greg__lemsx1:: dooh.. right :)04:18
lemsx1BWF89, ready is a subjective term04:18
lemsx1greg__, ;-) lol np04:18
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) BWF89: I disagree, its already got a good chunk of the desktop right, it has a few things missing -- also as lemsx1 suggests, its a subjective term04:18
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) linux for me, is a far better desktop than windows ever has been04:18
deFryskwindows is not ready for the internet yet04:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) same for my mum04:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) and shes not computer literate at all04:19
deFryskso better not use it04:19
greg__lemsx1:: my advocacy mode turned on too quickly :)04:19
lemsx1BWF89, yeah, because of those "little" things missing is not fully ready... perhaps 2 more years04:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) she has a bit of an idea but nothing fancy04:19
BWF89anyway, how do I make the icons smaller?04:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) under liinux all her stuff including the scanner just works04:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) under winows its a nightmare04:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) and we've never used any other OS so04:19
lemsx1deFrysk, I couldn't agree more. windows is not a multi-user system ready (or network aware by that matter)04:19
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lemsx1greg__, keep evengelizing04:20
kensaiWindows is pre-internet technology04:20
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: and that feature udner linux works to its disadvantage, or well it has, its getting alotbetter04:20
danielsdudes, offtopic04:20
lemsx1BWF89, in Nautilus Preferences you have a choice to make icons a certain size by default ... 50% 100% etc...04:20
willLathiat: glad your mum is following the trend :)04:20
kentBWF89, you can rightclick on the icons and choose to stretch them. Not sure if its spelled like that, since im using another translation. But, its there in the menu if you rightclick on icons.04:20
Karnaughis there any difference between doing apt-get install foo, and aptitude install foo?04:20
kentBWF89, di as lemsx1 sais. Hes right, and im sort of wrong ;)04:21
BWF89oh04:21
BWF89that's cool04:21
lemsx1Karakth, aptitude rocks and apt-get is simple... apt-get works great for most, but aptitude is best for everything else04:21
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: somewhat, aptitude pulls in recommended packages, which can be good, it more or less does the same thing tho04:21
BWF89I can make my most used icons bigger and my less used ones smaller :)04:21
BWF89but is there a way for me to make ALL of them the same size04:21
KarnaughLathiat: ahh04:21
lemsx1Karnaugh, just remember to open aptitude by itself first, and remove those pesky uninstallation options (automatic stuff)04:22
Karnaughlemsx1: hmm?04:22
Karnaughlemsx1: I dont see how apt-get is easier, i mean its the same command line04:22
lemsx1BWF89, nautilus -> preferences ... look for it in the first tab04:22
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: ive never had an issue with that?04:23
Karakth...04:23
KarnaughI thought aptitude like auto resolved dependencies, warned you of bugs in packages etc as well though04:23
mirakwhy the hell I have no sound when trying to rip a CD exept when using cdfs module ?04:23
lemsx1Karnaugh, they are both easy... aptitude makes your life simpler by being "smarter" about certain things04:23
BWF89nautilus?04:23
BWF89you mean: computer->desktop preferences04:23
lemsx1BWF89, i'm sorry... click on the HOUSE icon and go to Edit->Preferences04:24
lemsx1BWF89, what used to be Explorer in windows (to manage your folders and files) here is called "Nautilus"04:24
BWF89live doesn't have a house icon that I can see04:24
madsenHmm, I used my old grub when installing Ubuntu (specifically asked it to NOT install a bootloader), but it can't mount the hd partition /dev/hda1 when booting. Any clues.04:25
lemsx1mirak, perhaps your CDrom is not attached to your sound card?04:25
lemsx1madsen, you are sure that /dev/hda1 is a valid partition? not swap or something04:25
lemsx1Lathiat, some times aptitude decides that a package has not been used for N number of days and it decides to remove it... and this creates a chain of things that needs to be removed... but you might not want that04:26
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: hmm, ive never seen that04:26
lemsx1Lathiat, that's why i always turn off this feature in Aptitude's ui dependancy menu04:26
natexmadsen, what error message do you get?04:27
lemsx1Lathiat, run aptitude by itself and go to the "GUI" and you will see those options... if they are off, turn them on and use it for a few days :-) you will see04:27
BWF89thanks for the help, I'm going to go explore the world of open source04:27
madsenlemsx1: Pretty sure, it ran winxp before, then I reformatted it to ext3 and installed ubuntu on it.04:27
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madsennatex: That I can't mount the partition.04:27
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natexcan you mount it after you boot?04:28
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) god damnit04:28
willmjr: u there?04:28
lemsx1madsen, but at least you can start up in Linux? i'm not following what you mean by "mount" here04:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i just accidentally removed my downloaded package lists04:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) by hitting the wrong key in aptitude ;)04:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah04:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) im on dialup :(04:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) sigh04:29
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willLathiat: why dialup?04:29
lemsx1Lathiat, oops... happy accident04:29
natexmadsen, can you mount the partition after you have booted into linux04:29
yzsome folks cant get anything better than dialup, such as myself04:29
willmjr: i fixed it by adding a specific amount of memory to use under devices04:29
lemsx1Lathiat, i have a mkisofs.pl script that takes a local mirror (done with apt-move update) and makes as many CDs as needed for "backup" purposes... want it?04:29
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: because its all i have?04:29
cugais their a way to make apt stop bugging me about xlibmesa ? i have accelerated drivers but anytime i upgrade anything it complains it wants to overwrite that, which i don't want it to04:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hell at hom ei dont have any net access at all04:30
lemsx1Lathiat, i mean, for later because you messed up already :-)04:30
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willLathiat: are you in america?04:30
madsenlemsx1: I'm running a debian on the side. :)04:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: australia04:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: broadband costs alot more here than america, canada, etc04:30
madsennatex: Yeah :)04:30
lemsx1cuga, aptitude hold xlibsmesa04:30
willLathiat: is connections on modem good there?04:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: and im 17 so im not rolling in money :)04:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: its as good as any modem connection04:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: sucks for SSH when your downloading stuff, lags really badly04:31
yzdialup stinks everywhere04:31
natexmadsen, ok then you need to edit /etc/fstab to include that partition04:31
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lemsx1madsen, cool... any icon that open any window (folder) is fine04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: its ok i goto Uni tomorrow or monday so i can get the packages there at 200K/s or something04:31
willLathiat: in sweden we get 100mbit mmmmm04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: heh04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: i wish :(04:31
willi only have 8mbit though04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) im at my mums so i can dialup04:31
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lemsx1Lathiat, you can go to a public library and get T3 access :-)04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) go tno net axs at home at all04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hoping to get 256k adsl at some point soon04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) best you can get here is 1.5mbit adsl04:31
yzi on 28.8 modem in the usa, i cant get any better04:31
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) you can get 10mbit cable in some parts04:31
madsennatex: But grub won't even boot from the partition... I can't boot Ubuntu.04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) yz: i feel your pain04:32
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madsenlemsx1: What?04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i was on 28.8 for a year only 6 months ago04:32
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) im on 36.6 now04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) slightly better04:32
yzcable company wants to charge me $25,000 to install cable tv and internet04:32
yzdsl not available04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) yz: woo $25k04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i got that in my petty cash drawwer!04:32
lemsx1madsen, sorry madsen. disregard :-) ... got confused for a bit...04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) NOT04:32
willLathiat: dont u have a 56kbps?04:32
yzphone line wont go faster than 28,00004:32
madsenlemsx1: Hehe, np. :)04:32
lemsx1madsen, you can boot from grub, it's a matter of knowing where you put /boot04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: can get up to 44, but it sucks (bad modem or phone line or something i think(04:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: so i limited it to 33.604:33
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: getting > 44 in perth is rare with our phone lines04:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) and dsl goe sup to 1.5mbit04:33
willLathiat: jesus did u download Ubuntu?04:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats not available in all homes tho04:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: not at home :)04:33
TalliesinPoor ppl. Here's me complainging about rarely getting above 40004:33
madsenlemsx1: I'm trying with  root (hd0,0)  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-blablabla  initrd /boot/blablabla04:33
willcool04:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: uwa computer club, 60mbit to the world04:33
natexTalliesin, hehe04:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: i used to follow debian unstable and GNOME cvs on my dialup, however04:33
willmmm04:33
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: and yes, it sucked04:34
lemsx1madsen, that means that /boot is in /dev/hda1 when you mount it right?04:34
pauloslfhimppl04:34
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madsenlemsx1: yup04:34
Defthas anyone had major IMAP problems in hoary's Evolution version?04:34
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lemsx1guys, you can go to #ubuntu-offtopic and talk about DSL and upload speed :-) no offense to anyone though :-)04:34
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yzok lexsm104:34
pauloslfsomeone here knows how to install netstumbler at ubuntu?04:35
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lemsx1Deft, what version of Evolution is that? go to Help->About ... 2.1 is a Lemon. so downgrade to 2.0.x04:35
lemsx1madsen, hd(0,0) should be all you need ... why do you put /boot in grub's command line editing mode?04:36
Deftlemsx1, ah, exactly what I was planning then; is that just as it is currently, or is 2.1 not going to be a release version?04:36
lemsx1madsen, you only specify boot when /boot is mounted in a separate partition04:36
cugalemsx1, I dont use aptitute, is their another way, with just an apt config file?04:37
lemsx1Deft, i'm not sure what the deal is with 2.1... i just know is bad and people complaint about not being able to connect to imap4 (exchange)04:37
lemsx1cuga, echo "xlibmesa hold" | dpkg --set-selection04:37
lemsx1cuga, make sure you read the man pages for "dpkg"04:38
lemsx1cuga, you can also use synaptic and use Force Version from the menu04:38
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lemsx1pauloslf, what's netstumbler? what does it do?04:39
madsenlemsx1: Uhm, isn't it the other way around? When /boot is part of /, then it should be /boot/kernel and when /boot is a separate partition it's /kernel?04:39
Defthmm, installing warty's evo wants to blow away half of gnome04:39
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pauloslffound's wireless network's04:39
stuNNed_Treenaks, ping04:39
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Deft: not surprised04:39
lemsx1madsen, where did you get that from?04:39
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Deft: bad idea04:39
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: pong04:39
stuNNed_Treenaks, think i see the problem, hotplug isn't in /etc/rc2.d anymore, what's the easiest way to add it?  it's also not in /etc/rcS.d ... ?04:40
lemsx1Deft, why not use tbird? or simply apt-get source evolution (from warty) and recompile with: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot04:40
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lemsx1Deft, of course, you would need to edit the "control" file inside the "debian" directory04:40
Deftgoing to use thunderbird for a while, see how it's come on in the last couple of versions04:40
lemsx1Deft, and the changelog (increase the version or something04:41
huttananyone know why my gaim wont resize to be as slim as i want it to be?04:41
Deftsee if I can live without my calendar until the next evo update04:41
lemsx1Deft, tbird rocks... just feels like a "webpage"04:41
lemsx1huttan, remove the text from the icons in the buddy list04:41
natexDeft, I am using Evo on warty no problems04:41
Deftthat sounds different to 0.6 or so when I last used it04:41
Deftnatex, are you using IMAP?04:41
lemsx1natex, that's 2.0 right? he's talking about 2.104:42
madsenlemsx1: Memory... I just recalled it that way...04:42
natexDeft, oh, no sorry I missed that part.04:42
madsenlemsx1: It also fits well with how my Debian boots atm...04:42
willanyone know how to disable the sound server in Ubuntu temporarily?04:42
natexlemsx1, yeah, you're right I'll pipe down now ;)04:42
lemsx1madsen, everything should be in /boot (no /kernel) unless ubuntu does something else now (i didn't notice that before)04:42
huttanlemsx1, cant find how to do that04:42
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lemsx1will, talking about esound?04:43
stuNNed_does hotplug init script go in /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d ?04:43
lemsx1will, go to Preferences:/// and open Sound control panel04:43
willlemsxl: thanks04:44
lemsx1stuNNed, $> ls /etc/rcS.d/*plug*04:44
lemsx1/etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug@04:44
stuNNed_lemsx1, thanks04:44
stuNNed_lemsx1, what's the easiest way to add it? just symlink it?04:44
lemsx1huttan, go to Gaim->preferences and take it one preference window at a time04:44
lemsx1huttan, it's closed to the top04:45
huttanlemsx1, kk04:45
lemsx1stuNNed, don't think so... you might want to read: man update-rc.d04:45
lemsx1stuNNed, but: ln -s /etc/init.d/hotplug .... would do it04:45
stuNNed_lemsx1, ok thanks04:45
lemsx1stuNNed, i'd just do it the "right" way04:45
lemsx1well guys... nice helping you for this morning... now my brain is up to speed04:46
lemsx1bbl04:46
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huttanlemsx1, ah, thanks =)04:47
lemsx1huttan, np04:47
madsenlemsx1: Kernel is at: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 and initrd at: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386, so I should just remove /boot from those paths in menu.lst?04:48
lemsx1madsen, nope04:48
lemsx1madsen, use update-grub and let it do what's right04:48
nimcanyone knows if/how it's possible to have totem use alsa audio output for dmix ?04:48
willrrrrr!04:48
lemsx1nimc, check under Advanced preferences for multimedia sinks04:49
lemsx1nimc, gstreamer lets you choose your output sinks and so on04:49
huttanlemsx1, you know if there is anyway to see how the initrd that follows with the ubuntu install is made? Other than mounting it as a loop04:49
nimclemsx1, totem-xine i meant04:49
stuNNed_damn soundcard isn't detected again04:49
lemsx1huttan, i believe all that stuff is decided from /etc/ dir (some file there. i forgot where is it. read initrd-tools documentation)04:50
madsenlemsx1: Uhm, I'm not familiar with update-grub... I usually just edit menu.lst by hand...04:50
lemsx1nimc, uh, that's a different beast ... i don't know that04:50
madsenlemsx1: Mind you, I'm using the grub from my Debian install.04:50
nimclemsx1, i dont think i have these advanced prefs.... anyone else knows maybe?04:51
lemsx1nimc, that's part of gstreamer-*04:51
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lemsx1nimc, Applications->Preferences->Advanced->Multimedia System Selector04:52
lemsx1nimc, definitely not Xine04:52
lemsx1nimc, you might want to see what can you do from a .xinerc or something (all UNIX apps are like that)04:52
nimclemsx1, which movie formats does gstreamer support ? i think none ?04:53
lemsx1nimc, gstreamer is a framework... as many as you want to install (and have been written) ... it's not as stable as xine, so, don't worry about it for a year or so04:53
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lemsx1nimc, install all the gstreamer libs anyway, they are nice to have04:54
huttanlemsx1, ah yeah, i know how it works somewhat, just wanted to make a copy of ubuntus initrd to a 2.6.9 kernel, since it boots so nice offa my sata disks04:54
nimclemsx1, any movie codecs have been written for gstreamer yet ?04:54
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ogranimc: http://www.fluendo.com/04:55
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lemsx1huttan, that's the wrong thing to do. you should just compile your 2.6.9 kernels the right way (with make-kpkg) and let pass --initrd during compilation. when you install it it will create the right initrd04:55
huttanlemsx1, really? nice04:56
lemsx1nimc, i'm not sure, but you might want to read gstreamer-devel mailing list (i'm a member and i see all kinds of tricks being done for encoding movies from C/comand line etc...)04:56
huttanlemsx1, just add the --initrd flag to make-kpkg command ?04:57
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lemsx1now i'm really leaving ... ttyl04:57
lemsx1huttan, no, you need more than that04:57
lemsx1huttan, use my script: http://www.latinomixed.com/downloads/make-kpkg.sh.gz04:57
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runixda quick question, warty hoary grumpy perky ?04:58
runixdwhat is what?04:58
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Riddellrunixd: the codenames for the versions of ubuntu04:59
runixdI'm not stupid04:59
nimcanyone knows of programs that support dmix except alsaplayer?04:59
Rene_Swarty is the current stable04:59
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runixdyeah, and the rest?04:59
Rene_Shoary is in development05:00
vothanyone know why the 1cd install of ubuntu seems to be a laptop one ?05:00
lemsx1wow. i'm impressed... cdrecord fails to write a disc, but nautilus-cd-burner works like a charm (2.6.9 kernel... not as root)05:00
Rene_Sgrumpy and perky are ideas05:00
Rene_Sfor future releases05:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) voth: What makes you think it is a laptop-specific install?05:00
runixdahh I see05:00
huttanlemsx1, nice...that script automaitcally makes an initrd ?05:00
runixdwhich one is closest to unstable?05:00
(mjr/#ubuntu) lemsx1, I think it calls cdrecord, so you're just doing something differently05:01
Rene_Shoary05:01
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runixdgreat, thank you05:01
voththere is a line i see during the boot process that actually say's laptop (unfortunately, i don't recall the exact wording of that sentence)05:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) voth: It could be anything, anyway I assure it its not laptop specific and nothing to worry about..05:02
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pauloslfhi05:02
Rene_SIll send you my bill in the mail :)05:02
stuNNed_can someone help me with my soundcard not being detected after compiling ubuntu sources custom kernel and how do i get all network devices (ppp0, ath0, eth0) to be in the default runlevel?05:03
pauloslfanyone ca explain me how did i execute a program that i just instal?? i made ./configure then make then make install05:04
runixdstuNNed, you add devices as auto in /etc/network/interfaces05:04
runixddamn, what a userbase05:04
runixdpauloslf, just run executable05:04
natexpauloslf, do you know where the executable is located?05:05
pauloslfit shoul be at the directory where the tar was... i think05:05
pauloslf...05:05
stuNNed_runixd, damn what a userbase?05:05
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runixdpauloslf, go into /src directory of the stuff you compiled, or whatever its called there, after make all the executables will be there05:05
runixdor the ones you want at least05:06
runixdignore that stuNNed_05:06
natexpauloslf, if you did "make install" the executable will probably be in /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin05:06
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spacey`kistuNNed what kind of soundcard05:07
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SuperQb0nk05:07
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spacey`kistuNNed_, ? what card? and does it show up in dmesg?05:08
runixdwhy doesn't it let me to force install http instead of cd05:08
runixd*from http/ftp05:08
ograrunixd: it ?05:09
runixdthe installer05:09
runixdit just hang in error loop, saying it couldn't find hoary on cd05:09
Majestic|Linuxwhen is the new version coming out05:09
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spacey`kiMajestic|Linux, see website05:10
kris_what is the best way to autostart an app in gnome (user based)? and is it best to use /etc/init.d for system-wide apps (daemons)?05:10
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: in gnome, its under computer->desktop preferences->sessions->startup programs05:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: and for system stuff you usually use /etc/init.d etc, yes05:11
kris_Lathiat: thanks05:12
kris_about firestarter: is it any good?05:12
kris_-orelse what are the alternatives?05:13
kris_(firewalls...)05:14
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tewnyi'm a newbie.  i was curious if linux could be used to assign a domain to a box otherwise hosted by an isp.05:15
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runixdlinux has nothing to do with it05:17
tewnyi thought hoary had not been released ?05:17
kris_what firewall application would you recommend? really don't have so much time to figure out to do it by hand -iptables...05:17
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kris_currently have firestarter, but... -any suggestions?05:17
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runixdkris_, everything is based around iptables05:18
kris_i know,05:18
runixdkris_, there are scripts which can configure stuff for you05:18
runixdalot of them05:18
kris_i know.05:18
tewnyrunixd are you saying that would have to be done from the isps end ?05:18
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kris_runixd: so firestarter is not your recomendation?05:19
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kris_runixd: ok, so name your script as an e.g.05:21
runixdkris_, no05:21
runixdtewny, no05:21
runixdkris_, sec05:21
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ograkris_: what for do you want a filrewall in ububuntu ?05:21
runixdfirewall-jay05:22
kris_ogra: because i am on the internet....05:22
kris_runixd: thank you05:22
runixdnp05:22
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ograkris_: all ports are closed by default, firewalls only close ports....so no need for a fw if there are no open ports ;)05:22
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runixdogra, firewall doesn't just close ports05:23
runixdand there is need for firewall05:23
ograkris_: as long as you dont open them manually a firewall has no use on ubuntu....05:23
kris_ogra: plus, who sais that I don't have other ports open?05:23
ograrunixd: what for ?05:23
ograkris_: if you run a default ubuntu there are no open ports....05:24
runixdalot of stuff, packet filtering, icmp filtering, etc etc05:24
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kris_ogra: I somewhere read about DOS attacks,.........05:24
=== kris_ has his ubuntu far from default install.
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: you cant do *anything* about DOS attacks, its life05:25
willogra: how would you list open ports?05:25
ograkris_: so you opened up anything manually that you want to filter ?05:25
kris_netstat?05:26
dracLathiat, yes u can do *something* bout DOS attacks05:26
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ograwill: install nmapfe and do a scan ....05:26
dracif you are the sysadmin of the network being attacked05:26
runixdkris_, running well configured ip tables is a good idea, dispite running or not any services05:27
ograwill: to your ip, not to 127.0.0.105:27
runixdogra, it doesn't matter, as long as ip resolves to localhost loop devices will be used05:27
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_scpok.. I give up... what do I use to burn cd's now the 2.6.8 broke cd burning. Ubuntu is my first experience with 2.6.x05:27
huttanis it anyway to get more than 1 program to use /dev/dsp? So i can like use skype and listen to mp3 at the same time05:27
runixdok gtg05:28
ograrunixd: argh, right.....05:28
ograwill: so better do it from another pc :)05:28
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) drac: well it depends on the DoS [i.e. packet slamming or some service bug, but most people refer to packet slamming when they use the term DoS] , but in general, as a home user, you cant do diddly squat05:29
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kris_runixd: thank you for the tip, but still: since firestarter basically does the same thing (i assume), why configure iptables via scripting? having a gui is nice...05:29
ograLathiat: anyways, on dialup poff/pon will solve it *g*05:30
kris_runixd: so what exactly is why jay script is better than firestarter app?05:30
Gwildorlathiat, couldnt you just restart your modem, and grab a new ip?05:30
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: not if you have a static ip05:30
willhow can you start the sound server from within x?05:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) andnot if they are chasing your IP on irc05:30
dracLathiat, of course but some DOS are also used to crash a box with packet slamming ...05:30
ograLathiat: hmm, on dialup ?05:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) or some other medium05:30
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: you can get static ips on dialup over here pretty easily05:31
huttanis it anyway to get more than 1 program to use /dev/dsp? So i can like use skype and listen to mp3 at the same time05:31
drachuttan of course05:31
ograLathiat: hmm, i couldnt imagine a german provider offering this.....05:31
dracuse a sound deamon05:31
draclike esd or artsd05:32
drac...05:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: well, it happens here :)05:32
kris_runixd: ?05:32
ograLathiat: but then it wouldnt help.....youre right :)05:32
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: i used to run an irc network that attracted alot of DoS, i know :)05:32
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stupid skrept kiddiez05:33
huttandrac, nice05:33
ograLathiat: cmon, the are the programmers of tomorrow *shiver*05:33
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: haha :)05:34
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: your funny :)05:34
ogra:)05:34
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ill admit to having slight irc kiddiesh actions once05:34
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huttandrac, but how do i get my programs to understand what to use ?05:34
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) nuked a channel for some mirc script with a backdoor in it using flooders on my dialup -- i consider it a service so i dont feel guilty about it :)05:34
huttandrac, or eassier...what device should they use? regular /dev/dsp ?05:34
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) flooded the channel, got set invite only, flooded off the only op which was a bot05:35
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huttandrac, i make esd use the device /dev/dsp ?05:41
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dracyes and then you tell xmms to use esd05:41
dracgaim to use esd05:41
ograhuttan: esd already uses it .... by default05:41
ograhuttan: just tell the apps to use esd05:42
dracand then you have sound being played live, by all your software using esd05:42
huttanogra, kk05:42
huttanbrb05:42
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pauloslfwhat does this mean: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH05:44
ograpauloslf: sudo apt-get install build-essential05:44
ograpauloslf: there seems no compiler installed....05:44
pauloslfi have to execute that comand fisrt?05:45
ograpauloslf: you can install build-essential with synaptic or with the command above, it will pull in everything necessary for compiling05:46
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kris_Lathiat: why do you think firestarter is not a recomended firewall?05:48
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: I never said that05:49
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stuNNed_godamn buggy dell bios :D05:49
kris_Lathiat: ok, let me rephrase: why would _you_ not recommend it?05:50
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: spam them about it ;05:50
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) ;)05:50
kris_Lathiat: based on your vast experience when the fw was most needed...05:50
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) krnever used it, so I have no opinion05:50
stuNNed_Treenaks, everything working with a few kernel boot arguments :D still haven't tested godamn linuxant drivers with no piix as modules though05:50
stuNNed_Treenaks, /me spams away :D05:50
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: what dell product do you have?05:50
stuNNed_Lathiat, all working now, dell inspiron 8200 laptop05:51
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: ah cool, hows that going for you?05:51
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) im ponering getting a dell inspiron 510m05:51
stuNNed_what actually does nolapic do?05:51
stuNNed_Lathiat, it's ok once you get around the dell bios bugs05:51
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i wish the AU models shiped a SXGA+ 14.1" version05:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: it disables the local apic05:51
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) 15" is too big but you can only get it in XGA05:51
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: yeh i know about those05:51
stuNNed_Treenaks, what is local apic?  sharing irq's or something right?05:52
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.adriansrojakpot.com/Speed_Demonz/New_BIOS_Guide/APIC_Function.htm05:52
stuNNed_Treenaks, thanks mate05:53
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stuNNed_Treenaks, will i see system slowdown with nolapic?05:55
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: not likely05:55
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: or not much anyway05:55
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Gwildorguys, since my hoary upgrade i dont have sound from ET anymore, can anyone help?05:57
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Gwildornvm, gotta go, ill fix it later05:58
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daveonnas05:59
daveonexisten los paquetes de monodevelop en ubuntu?05:59
daveonsorry06:00
daveonare avaliable in ubuntu monodevelop packages06:00
daveon?06:00
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(BrittBS/#ubuntu) daveon, si ... uno momeno :)06:00
ograhttps://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu06:01
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ogradaveon: tseng ^^^^06:01
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(BrittBS/#ubuntu) ogra, that's what i was looking for06:01
ogra:)06:01
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wfxhi, how can i turn off the automount function (cd's)06:02
stuNNed_ah, looks like i can get by with just acpi_irq_isa=706:02
(BrittBS/#ubuntu) wfx, gnome-volume-manager06:02
stuNNed_now to test this weekend if building piix into kernel and not as module fixes the godamned linuxant issue06:03
(BrittBS/#ubuntu) wfx, er ... the capplet for it anyway :)06:03
(BrittBS/#ubuntu) wfx, gnome-volume-properties06:03
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ograwfx: computer->desktop settings->Removable Media (Wechseldatentrger in german :))06:03
wfxthx ;-)06:04
unpersonSo I just tried to load eBay's front page with firefox and had it just go busy and become completely unresponsive for several minutes.  Anyone else see this behavior?06:04
kris_has anybody had any bluetooth experience in ubuntu?06:06
kris_i am interested in gnokii alternatives...06:06
kris_to connect to my phone.06:06
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riffichey ubuntu chat06:07
danielsworks for me fine with my sony ericsson k700i06:07
kris_so, to use as modem and to have contact (and mybe calendar) synching06:07
rifficcan someone help me try to fix some hard lock problems as I am still having the same issue as yesterday06:07
rifficgnome hard locks my system when it loads06:08
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riffichoary06:08
TenPlus1hi peeps06:08
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TenPlus1Can I ask the room a Q?06:09
imnesIs there a meta package of development tools available, something that will give me the typical compilers and build tools or do I need to isntall them all individually?06:09
TenPlus1Does everyone using the Ubuntu distro, do you think it's easy to use and has the s/w u need ??06:10
kris_has anybody had any bluetooth experience in ubuntu?06:10
imnesTenPlus1: yes, but I wish it could include the non-supported types, like Java, Macromedia natively instead of having to go through the extra steps to isntall them.06:11
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zenwhenhey riffic06:11
natexTenPlus1, it has alot of good ubuntu packages and there is always the "universe" repository06:11
tewnyits a desktop distro.  has everything you would expect a desktop distro to have though it seems a bit light to me06:11
ograkris_: daniels answered you06:11
TenPlus1Didn't know java and flash weren't included... bummer...06:11
kris_ogra: thanks06:11
ograkris_: :)06:11
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TenPlus1but easily installed as u say...  does it have good network support for sharing the .net with others ?06:11
imnesTenPlus1: They're easy to install, just not in by default.06:12
kris_daniels: what software are u using?06:12
imnesYou mean like internet connection sharing?06:12
imnesor sharing your files on the network?06:12
wfxogra, xchat desteroy specialchars like the  in wecheseldatentrger.06:12
ograTenPlus1: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:12
TenPlus1yeah... both, sharing files with a WinXP laptop and the internet connectoin also06:12
ograwfx: oops06:12
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danielskris_: gnome-phone-manager, gnome-obex-server, bluephone06:13
imnesTenPlus1: I'm not sure, I've never tried to share my files with a windows machine.06:13
kris_daniels: and it works? syncing as well?06:13
danielskris_: seems to06:13
TenPlus1I know you can share files/folders/printers using Samba network, it's just the Internet sharing that confuses me06:14
kris_daniels: thanks, will give it a try06:15
imnesLooks like it does have samba support in the network options.06:15
TenPlus1kewl...06:15
imnesI don't know for internet connection sharing but you can do that from the command prompt if you have to.06:15
wfxwhere can i find a package for cinelerra (its a movie editor -> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3)06:16
TenPlus1When installing Ubuntu, do you need 1 partition on multiple ?06:16
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imnesYou pick a drive, it will erase all partitions and setup itself.06:16
natexTenPlus1, one will do. You can let it pick how to partition or you can do it yourself.06:17
TenPlus1wow, easy install... :)06:17
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ograkris_:06:19
ograkris_: hehe06:21
kris_ogra: :)06:22
wfxfor what is the user hal06:22
ograwfx: for hal ?06:22
wfxogra, in /etc/group are entrys like this cdrom:x:24:wfx,hal06:23
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wfxhow is hal?06:23
ograwfx: you know kubricks 2001 ?06:23
TenPlus1Will Ubuntu read/write to NTFS partitions ok ?06:24
wfx:) yes i have it06:24
ograwfx: its a crazy computer :)06:24
unpersonEh, so can someone else out there with the standard warty firefox build take a look at www.ebay.com and tell me if you can view the page ok?06:24
ograwfx: just kidding06:24
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ograwfx: its the Hardware Abstraction Layer06:24
ograwfx: shown through your deviace manager06:24
natexTenPlus1, have you used alinux distro that writes to NTFS ok?06:24
cugaunperson,  yeah works fine, are you on an amd64?06:25
TenPlus1not really, only read from06:25
unpersoncuga, Nope, just a celeron.06:25
cugaunperson, then i have no clue what the problem is, firefox 0.9.3 in ubuntu works fine06:25
natexTenPlus1, NTFS is supported by the kernel. not the distro.06:25
TenPlus1ohhh... thx for the info06:26
unpersoncuga, Bizarre.  Maybe it's a video issue specific to my chipset or something.06:26
natexyou bet.06:26
cugaunperson, does it crash?06:26
unpersoncuga, In other words, maybe it's X that's really the problem, not actually firefox.06:26
ograunperson: works from germany .....0.9.3 warty06:26
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TenPlus1thx for the help peeps :)06:26
unpersoncuga, That program becomes completely unresponsive.  But it can be shutdown with a kill -TERM.06:27
ograunperson: other sites with this prob ?06:27
unpersonogra, Nope, it's the first and only one.06:27
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ograunperson: does it happen everytime ?06:28
unpersoncuga, After it goes unresponsive, then there's come weirdness with switching between windows on that virtual desktop, though it still works if I switch using the taskbar or switch to another desktop.06:28
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supertedanyone got the xmms-mp4 rep?06:28
unpersonogra, Yes.06:28
cugaunperson, weird, definatly something funky06:28
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unpersonWell, let me try to apt-get update the lasted xserver patch just in case that miraculously fixes the issue.06:29
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unpersonThanks for the info.  Useful but discouraging that it's just me.06:29
WWHas anybody edited a wiki page recently?  My cursor keys don't work in the wiki editor.06:30
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rip024after reading some about ubuntu I'm little lost will dvd's play or not06:31
ograrip024: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:31
ograrip024: they will with these packages :)06:32
rip024but my guess is I will not be able to back my dvd's and cd's up true06:34
ograrip024: why not ?06:35
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rip024that's where I get lost  if I use those packages I'll be able to copy my dvd's I buy and play on my dvd player06:36
ograrip024: i am not copying dvds, but all that i tried played fine on ,y laptop.... ripping .ogg files from audio CDs works fine....06:37
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ograrip024: i think there is als a program for copying dvd to disk in the marillat repository mentioned on the wiki06:38
ograalso06:38
nils_I just installed ubuntu, can anyone please give me a debian mirror I can add in synoptics?06:38
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nils_I'am not sure if I shall have sid/sarge/stable...06:39
ogranils_: dont do that.... all debian packages are in ubuntu06:39
nils_hmm?06:39
nils_I cannot find mplayer/xine in synoptics06:39
ogranils_: first enable universe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto06:39
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ogranils_: then add marillat and multiverse: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats06:40
JDahlnils_, add multiverse, restricted to /etc/apt/sources.list. Mplayer is not in debian either, but very easy to compile from source06:40
eruinwhats in marillat?06:40
WWHey ogra, could you try something for me?  Try editing a wiki page, say WikiSandBox, and see if your cursor keys work in the editor.06:40
unikumwhat the comand to unpack *.tar.bz2?06:40
eruintar xjvf *.tar.bz206:40
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) unikum: tar jxvf <tarchive> or use file roller (douvble click it in nautilus)06:41
ograWW: a sec.... away for a min....06:41
yztar -jxf06:41
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JDahlmarillat is unofficial mplayer debs I think.. but mplayer works much better if you compile yourself, otherwise things like fullscreen might not work06:41
eruinanyone know of some openoffice unstable debs ?06:41
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: uh06:42
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: the "compile yourself" is gentoo fud06:42
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: the packages work fine on any debian system06:42
eruincan I safely use kernel-sources-2.6.9 instead of the linux-sources packages to compily my own ubuntu kernel?06:43
eruine06:43
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rip024hmm ogra your right well soon as my download done I'll try this  its going to be a fun night06:43
JDahlTreenaks, I know - but I could never get fullscreen mode working with marillat's packages... I works if I compile it myself06:43
unikumdoesnt work with tar xjvf :( i tried the file roller but cant see /.icons with that06:44
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: change "vo=x11" to "vo=xv" in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf06:44
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: simple06:44
rip024any tips I have 2 harddrives  80 and 160 gig  MSI motherboard 2.2 intel pro  older 32mb ATI video card06:44
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eruinunikum, you can rightclick the filelist and select show hidden06:44
yzanother way unikum is to run: bunzip2 -c <file.tar.bz2> | tar -xvf-06:44
kalterteeHi06:45
yzleave out the < and >06:45
kalterteeI've got a question06:45
gen|outask away06:45
unikumahh, thanks!06:45
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JDahlTreenaks, hmm... I guess so, ./configure; make; make install is simple also (and avoids unofficial debs)06:46
ograrip024: for ati 3d you will like this one: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:46
kalterteeI want to use kernel 2.6.9 because of acpi but after compiling ubuntu don't know my cards06:46
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bugz_why ubuntu dont support auto turnoff when i shutdown the system?06:47
kaltertee@bugz_ you need acpi or apm06:48
ograWW: where is the prob ?06:48
kaltertee@bugz_ try to change in grub06:49
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WWogra: It is strange. My cursor keys don't do anything when I am in the wiki editor. I can still type, and I can use the mouse to move to different places.06:49
bugz_kaltertee: i need acpi or apm running?06:49
ograWW: works for me, even pg-up/dn06:49
kalterteeyes in my case it worked06:50
bugz_kaltertee: im in dual boot (fedora and ubuntu) using fedora's grub06:50
rip024thanks ya'll06:50
kalterteeok, in the menu.lst ist acpi=off behind the ubuntu-kernel06:50
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kaltertee... just delete 'acpi=off' and try it06:51
kalterteei want to use kernel 2.6.9 with all drivers06:52
kalterteesomeone able to help me06:52
rifficzenwhen: fix my gnome plz06:52
rifficno one here wants to help me06:52
zenwhenhow did you break your gnome06:52
zenwhenand what about it is broken06:52
WWogra: Stranger still... the keys work in some pages, not others.06:53
rifficzenwhen: it locks up when it loads06:53
zenwhenriffic, I am fairly positive that the fix for gnome issues was buying me this06:53
zenwhenhttp://www.creative.com/zenmicro/06:53
ograWW: did you tweak your keymap anyhow ?06:53
rifficand when i use xfce, it locks up when i launch nautilus06:53
zenwhenodd06:54
rifficzenwhen: get an ipod06:54
zenwhenI dont like ipods06:54
rifficlike hard lock06:54
riffici cant ping my machine or ssh when it locks06:54
rifficits totally fucked06:54
WWogra: No, at least not intentionally, since I wouldn't know how to do that. )06:54
zenwhenI dont want a penny of my money going towards the continued survival of Apple Inc.06:54
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genrapple will never die06:55
zenwhenriffic, did oyu upgrade to hoary?06:55
rifficyes06:55
zenwhengenr, I am glad you are a psychic.06:55
zenwhen:D06:55
genr:)06:55
riffici've been using hoary for a couple weeks now06:55
zenwhenriffic, why>06:55
zenwhen?06:55
zenwhenOh06:55
zenwhenWell06:55
zenwhenI am not using hoary/.06:55
rifficit just started this after an apt-get update/upgrade a day or two ago06:55
zenwhenI cant help.06:55
rifficany way i can downgrade from hoary to warty?06:55
zenwhenIm using warty until hoary is "done".06:56
genrthis is why it is developmental06:56
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: nope06:56
rifficor at least downgrade what is broken06:56
unikumwhere is ubuntu server? i get pretty good connection with apt-get06:56
zenwhenWhen hoary is "out", Im going to do a fresh install.06:56
riffici need to find out what is broken first06:56
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: what happens?06:56
rifficbecause i have no idea why i'm locking06:56
rifficLathiat: hard lock when i launch gnome06:56
WWogra: In the pages where the cursor keys do nothing, the page-up and page-down move the whole web up and down, not the text within the editor.06:56
nils_when I run gmplayer I get "ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 72%"06:56
s0cksBack06:56
rifficusing xfce currently, but also hard locks when nautilus launches06:56
nils_any ideas which device I should use instead?06:56
rifficso I'm assuming that nautilus is doing something nauty06:57
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: mm nasty06:57
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: hard to track that one down06:57
rifficyeah06:57
rifficjdub tried to help me yesterday06:57
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hah06:57
ograWW: for me it happens only on framed sites if the focus isnt in the frame .... but thats a frame issue....nothing else....06:57
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i might as well not bother thenhaha06:57
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rifficthe system is completely frozen when it happens though06:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: did you look for signs of stuffin logs?06:58
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rifficno cursor, keyboard, can't ping or ssh06:58
zenwhennils_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2992&highlight=mplayer06:58
rifficlogs?06:58
zenwhenthat will fix your iissue06:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: wel there are logs in /var/log06:58
riffici'm sort of clueless06:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: if you look in syslog,might be some hitns as to why it crashed06:58
rifficokay let me check in there06:58
ograriffic: probably something with your users config files, did you try to add a new user and reproduce it ?06:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: ahh ok be hard for you to decipher the crap in there then :)06:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: Maybe a fresh install to warty is the easiest choice here06:59
rifficogra: no I didn't do that either06:59
riffic=(06:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: pretty harsh if a user login is causing a hard system lock tho06:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) sounds more like a hard drive or ram error but since its consistent thats a tad doubtful06:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: how much ram do you have?06:59
goonieI need help with enabling spdif on my MSI 650 Hermes machine06:59
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riffic76806:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrm07:00
riffic3 256 dimms07:00
rifficsdram07:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) just thinking if it was low07:00
rifficits stable07:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) might be hitting swap and you mnight have bad swap07:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) but it won tbe that07:00
rifficits been stable for a long time07:00
ograLathiat: if its working with xfce its no HW issue i guess07:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: not necesarily, probably not, but its possible07:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: if your around anotehr time i might have more time to help07:01
ograLathiat: everything is possible :)07:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) right now its 2am and i realy need to sleep :)07:01
rifficyeah i'm in here off and on07:01
rifficalright, get some sleep07:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: just like, for example, if he had bad swap, loading xfce is fairly light where as loading GNOME uses alot of memory and could cus it to start swapping and hit the bad bit, that sortof thing07:01
ograriffic: try if it happens with a new user07:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: or if it was bad ram07:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: using gnome used more that hit it , etc07:02
WWogra: Thanks for checking.07:02
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) im off, laters all07:02
ogranicght _)07:02
ograurgh07:02
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ogranight :)07:02
goonieogra: just wanted to thank you for all your efforts when you tried to help me with my wireless network problem.. I found a solution of sorts. I have to disable eth0 for wlan0 to work properly07:03
ograriffic: if it happens there too, its a systemwide issue, else its only about changed setup stuff07:03
ogragoonie: so it works :)  thats great !07:03
goonieogra: yup.. finally I can use Ubuntu for everything I do :)07:04
nils_I've a ati mobility 7500, are there any guide to get tvout working?07:04
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rifficshould stuff like this worry me: Nov 20 13:00:46 localhost kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }07:05
rifficNov 20 13:00:46 localhost kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }07:05
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ograriffic: yep07:05
unikumis there any command to past into a shell? ctrl+v doesnt work...07:06
riffic=(07:06
rifficreally?07:06
rifficlike how badly?07:06
kris_is there anything wrong installing totem-xine and thusly removing ubuntu-desktop?07:06
ograriffic: this are read write errors of your harddisk07:07
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WWunikum: Select the text with right-click-and-drag.  Insert the text somewhere else with middle-click.07:07
ograkris_: nope, ubuntu-desktop is a empty package07:07
mirakdo you see this signs :    ?07:08
WWunikum: I mean, select with LEFT-click-and-drag.07:08
ograi see signs !07:08
WWmirak: Old MacDonald had a farm?07:08
genre i e i o07:08
ograo for euro ?07:09
ograhmm07:09
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: unofficial debs are better than no package management at all :)07:09
mirakWW: :) it was just accent tests07:09
(mjr/#ubuntu) mirak, they look fine07:09
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: at least with unofficial debs you get a warning that it'll break (dependencies)07:09
ogramirak: nice accent ;)07:09
WWmirak: Yup, they showed up fine here.07:10
mirakwell I am accused of trolling on a french channel because I don't use iso-8859-1507:10
ogramirak: utf-8 ?07:10
tvon|x31stupid french07:10
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mirak: explain them that UTF-8 is the way of the future07:10
mirakTreenaks: explain it to them07:11
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) or just don't use accents.. see if they care07:11
mirakthey don't understand I will not change my charset each time somebody is not happy07:11
mirakutf8 only is a problem for them07:11
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) neither will they..07:11
kris_does anybody know why capitain hook died?07:11
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mirak: it's a problem for mirc..07:11
kris_-he wiped his ass with a wrong hand.....07:12
genrkris_, aligator was hungry07:12
mirakI see iso-8859-15 accent with utf8, so by definition   utf8 > iso-8859-15  , so it's logical and more practical to use07:12
mirakit07:12
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mirakkris_: you want to use your phone joker ?07:12
Phr0stByteint SDL_BlitSurface(SDL_Surface *src, SDL_Rect *srcrect, SDL_Surface *dst, SDL_Rect *dstrect);07:13
Phr0stBytesorry, wrong channel07:13
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s0cksSo once I get the ISO file, burn that to bootable data disk?07:13
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kris_mirak: did not understand u.07:15
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ogras0cks: yep07:16
netmonkhello! anyone with idea how i can erase cd-rw in Ubuntu?07:16
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ogranetmonk: nautilus does it automatically ir you write it07:17
kris_netmonk: k3b?07:17
ograif07:18
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dieselI am trying to set up Ubuntu for my sister.  The wastebasket is not on the desktop (and nowhere that I can find).  How do I add the wastebasket to the desktop?07:18
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__randy__diesel, you can get to it using the trash applet.  If it's not on the panel you can it to it07:19
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dieselwhat's it to it????07:19
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rifficogra this hard drive read/write thing is sort of scaring me.. any way I could test the drive and see if its ready to fail?07:20
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netmonkogra, yes I saw that, I was just wondering if there is an option or command just for erase. Also, is there a way to set up nautilus-burn not to burn the files with root owner. After I burn the cd, the files are invisible to me, and can copy them only when i cd to /dev/cdrom. any ideas?07:20
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rifficthis drive is my /home dir with all my media I really would like to make sure it doesn't die without backups07:21
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__randy__diesel, add it to it, sorry about that07:21
dieselThat's my question, how do I add the wastebasket to the desktop?07:22
ogranetmonk: i ve never had this probs.....my cdroms are just fine on a default warty.....07:22
scoondiesel: there is a setting in the gconf editor07:22
netmonkogra, hm...07:22
s0cksWow.07:22
s0cksHoly crap07:22
ogranetmonk: did you tewak your system anyhow ?07:22
ogratweak07:22
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netmonkogra, no to my knowledge ;)07:23
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mirakkris_: don't matter07:23
s0cksI just need the ISO file and nothing else, right?07:24
dieselscoon, there is a lot of settings in the gconf editor.  Can you give any more specific details?07:24
ogras0cks: yep07:24
ogras0cks: burn a disk from it07:25
s0cksok07:25
s0cksThanks07:25
ogras0cks: burn burn it sa slow as you can....07:25
ograas07:25
s0cksReally....07:25
s0cksNo 48x burn?07:25
ogras0cks: nope.... better 8x07:26
scoondiesel:  apps -> nautilus -> desktop -> trash_icon_visible07:26
s0cks8x is ideal?07:26
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dieselscoon, thanks07:27
ogras0cks: should be ok.... with fast burning the cd sometimes has errors, so if you get errors on cd bootup, try a slower burn07:27
scoondiesel: np07:28
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osiris_22so are these 3d drivers a chore to install?07:28
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s0cksogra : Thanks for the help.07:29
s0cks12 percent downloaded, but this is not a good time to download large files on my computer.07:30
LeeColletonis there a way to access evolution address books from openoffice?  The debian package openoffice.org-evolution isn't available in universe.07:30
s0cksI am screwing with the connection and stuff.07:30
willosiris_22:nvida or ati?07:30
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osiris_22nvidia07:31
willosiris_22: go to their website...Nvidia have very good support for Linux :)07:32
simontI've mounted an ntfs partition to /media/multimedia - I can browse it as root but not my user, what permission do I need to change on this folder?07:32
pepsicodahow can i get xchat to open a new firefox window when i click a url, rather than using the contextual menu?07:32
simontI've mounted an ntfs partition to media/multimedia - I can browse it as root but not my user, what permission do I need to change on this folder?07:32
osiris_22i tried to mount my ntfs partition07:32
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osiris_22but it ways it couldnt read the contents of thbe drive it ticked me off07:33
El_Azarhi07:33
El_Azarsomebody from spain???07:33
netmonksimont, I don't think you can mount ntfs partition and be able to do anything else but read from it07:33
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willpepsicoda: that pisses me off too07:34
simontTHats all I want to d, is read the partition07:34
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pepsicodahrm07:34
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willsimont: you have to set the permissions man chmod07:35
s0cksa 3 megabit connection is 3000 kbits, right?07:35
wills0cks:nearly07:36
willjust under 30007:37
willkb/ps07:37
willKb/s07:37
simontwill chmod 755 on media/windows work?07:38
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) simont: no07:38
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simontwhat will TReenaks?07:39
mockingbirdanyone know of a good Cad program?07:40
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) simont: unmounting, mount with correct options07:40
socksDone with my net tweaking07:40
ograsimont: mount it the right way07:40
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) simont: (i.e. just use the Disks menu)07:40
simontI have already added the partitions to my fstab file, and I can browse them from root, but not from normal user07:41
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socksHad to restart the download though07:42
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simontIt says I do not have the necessary permissions to view the folder07:42
ograsimont: show your fstab line07:43
willAutocad07:43
simontit is /dev/hda5/media/multimediantfsro,user,auto0007:44
ogra/dev/hda5 /media/multimedia ntfs ro,user,auto,umask=0,0,0 0 007:46
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osiris_22that wasnt so hard07:46
ograoops, better /dev/hda5 /media/multimedia ntfs ro,user,auto,umask=000 0 007:46
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im_kahey07:47
im_kaany1 using cedega?07:47
osiris_22im getting 700fps07:47
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pepsicoda2fps07:47
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im_kahow do you install multicd games?07:48
im_kayou have to unmount a busy drive07:48
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FTTPanyone want to join #ubuntu-offtopic ? to discuss the sco lawsuit against ibm07:49
FTTPi was reading thru legal briefs07:49
FTTPinteresting stuff07:49
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mockingbirdimean for linux. ilooked at qcad and pythoncad but neither was 3d07:50
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im_kaany1 using cedega?07:50
simontogra - still getting access denied07:51
cardadorim_ka: me07:51
ograsimont: did you unmount it ?07:51
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eruingnome-panel-screenshot non-existant?07:51
ograeruin: thats hoary .... its in the next gnome upstream update i read.....07:54
eruinah ok07:54
ograwas mover to gnome-utils07:54
ogramoved07:54
simontnope. that was the problem, thanks guys07:54
eruinbah07:55
eruineverything just works in ubuntu07:55
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ograeruin: boring eh ?07:55
eruinkind of ;P07:55
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ogra:)07:55
stuNNedanyone else getting system freeze with hoary?   ...maybe gamin related ?07:55
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eruinnot a single freeze so far07:55
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eruinnow to sort quicktime for firefox07:56
melanieubuntu question: how can i change my mouse cursors?07:57
imnesim_ka: are you using Point2Play?07:57
im_kaimnes no07:57
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: a bit07:57
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ograeruin: mozilla-plugin-vlc is pretty good in quicktime....but lacks other areas....07:57
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: but it's not really easy yet07:57
imnesUse it, makes it much easier and will let you mount / unmount CDs while installing games.07:57
shwouchlepuffhello07:58
stuNNedsorry, probably not gamin related :)07:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: uh...07:58
melanietreenaks: you think it's impossible?07:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: no, it's possible, only hard07:58
shwouchlepuffwhat kind of package manager does ubuntu have?07:58
im_kai've got cedega+p2p from a dubious site (it's on our forums), and p2p doesn't work. cedega works, but i can't install multicd games07:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: uh.. hal/pmount are used for that in ubuntu07:58
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: please keep using that07:58
melanietreenaks: aha. can you tell me?07:58
im_kaimnes: i've got cedega+p2p from a dubious site (it's on our forums), and p2p doesn't work. cedega works, but i can't install multicd games07:59
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: it's complicated..07:59
ograTreenaks: probably someone should package gcursor: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=12507:59
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imnesI know point2play doesn't run from within the CD path so you can unmount and swap CDs easily.  It's just less of a pain in the but.07:59
nils81why do I miss smbmount?08:00
shwouchlepuffanyone?08:00
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: neither does hal + pmount/nautilus08:00
nils81I have samba installed08:00
imnesMaybe unmount is the wrong word now anyway, it doesn't hold the drive busy when it's not reading from a disk so you can press the eject button...08:00
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imnesWhereas if you switch to the drive, and run cedega setup.exe, you can't eject the drive.08:00
melaniewhere can i get gcursor?08:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: nowhere yet.08:01
shwouchlepuffwhat kind of package manager does ubuntu have?08:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: well, you can build from source, but that, too is a) not recommended and b) hard08:01
rifficapt08:01
ogramelanie: at the url that i provided, but you had to compile it08:01
imnesim_ka how are you starting the setup program, what command you running?08:01
melanieok. thanks.08:01
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s0cksUgh. This download takes forever.08:02
shwouchlepuffriffic, besides the 6 month updates, does it offer rolling updates?08:03
im_kaimnes: "cedega MafiaLauncher.exe" from within /mnt/cdrom/08:03
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: what do you mean? daily updates?08:03
melanieanother question. which theme packages do work with ubuntu. i found some on art.gnome.org but i can't load it into the theme package manager.08:03
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: yes, but those are only for advanced users08:03
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__danielhey08:03
eruinogra, all I need really, thanks :)08:03
imnesim_ka, switcfh to your home dir cd ~    and then run cedega /mnt/cdrom/MafiaLauncher.exe08:03
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: gnome 2.8 themes, icon themes, window themes should all work08:03
mockingbirdhows the linux filesystem compare to the windows?08:03
shwouchlepuffTreenaks, how advanced?08:03
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: it's different.08:04
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: those who can figure out how to change themselves :)08:04
mockingbirdtreenaks: thanks08:04
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: (i.e. by reading the website