[12:00] <Tomcat_> jdub: Intel Centrino WLAN, ipw2200... but only want to know what the installer wants to install from the net. :)
[12:00] <Gwildor> seek187, how to open a private window?.....xchat?
[12:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you need to add 'nvidia' to /etc/modules
[12:00] <Tomcat_> +I
[12:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that should work ok during install, but even if it doesn't install from the net during install, you can do that afterwards
[12:00] <seek187> a window will open when they message back
[12:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: that bit is just upgrading
[12:01] <Gwildor> seek187, kk
[12:01] <gamehack> can someone help me, I've configured my CPUFreq applet but when clicking on it, it doesn't show anything...although i can change the frequency with the cpufreq-selector fromt the console ?
[12:01] <gamehack> thanks very much
[12:01] <spikeb> is usplash usable yet? :)
[12:01] <PorscheBoy> jdub, so in order to get into gnome i had to change "nvidia" to "nv" to use X
[12:01] <Tomcat_> jdub: Yeah, it did... the problem is that the installer only *searched* for access points and didn't give me a list... I got 2 neighbors with open access points here. :)
[12:01] <Tomcat_> jdub: I just don't want to be missing anything now that the system's installed. :o
[12:01] <PorscheBoy> jdub, r u sure this will fix it?
[12:01] <Tomcat_> jdub: If it's just upgrading that's okay... I just did that. Thanks. :)
[12:01] <kulaki> hi! ubuntu doesn't turn off my pc after shutdown. pls help.
[12:02] <Solkaris> so basically jdub if someone is interested in packaging for Ubuntu we have to support Debian also? even if we dont want to?
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) "if they're not particularly attractive things for support" ...
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) for ubuntu support
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) as said above
[12:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) if it's something we definitely want to include, we'll do it
[12:03] <Gwildor> seek187, how would i locate this person, like find whatroom they are in
[12:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) there's no solid protocol for inclusion in universe independent of debian atm, so easiest thing to do is get it in debian :P)
[12:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) :)
[12:03] <seek187> try /whois nickname
[12:03] <Gwildor> thnx
[12:03] <Rene_S> If i embed Ubuntu into my microwave will my food taste better ?
[12:03] <seek187> np
[12:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) Tomcat_: yeah, installer just tries to connect to anything it can, which is a bit silly ;)
[12:04] <zenwhen_> Rene_S, no. You need to install gentoo to get your microwave hot enough to cook food. Its the compiling that does it.
[12:04] <Gwildor> seek187, i dont think it works
[12:04] <seek187> Gwildor,  it shows up in status tab
[12:04] <Gwildor> oh...thnx
[12:04] <Solkaris> so basically scratch your own itch and dont worry about bothering until there is a protocol if you dont feel like dealing with Debian
[12:04] <Tomcat_> jdub: Well, the fact that it recognized my chipset, asked for a WEP key and then found a network (and all this in the installer!) really impressed me. Two settings after installing later the network was ready. :)
[12:05] <Rene_S> zenwhen_, good answer, I was gonna use Mandrake but then what do the French really know about cooking after all.
[12:05] <spikeb> heh
[12:05] <zenwhen_> Snails -_-
[12:05] <Rene_S> I rest my case
[12:08] <seek187> lol
[12:10] <Rene_S> Oh oh my lame jokes are clearing the room
[12:11] <spikeb> heh
[12:14] <dle> Hi. I was having trouble on my warty installation to get PHP's mail() function to work.  I've just read 'Also, the user that compiled PHP must have permission to access the sendmail binary.'  Is there a way to resolve this problem?
[12:14] <dle> apart from compiling mod_php4 for myself, which I'd prefer not to do.
[12:14] <__daniel> dle: does mailing from that host in general work for you?
[12:15] <dle> yes.
[12:15] <__daniel> dle: user www-data (running the webserver) should be able to send mails
[12:16] <dle> __daniel: yes, but it ain't. :)
[12:16] <__daniel> dle: hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:16] <dle> the logs aren't revealing either.
[12:18] <dle> I think I fixed it. :)
[12:19] <Ubuntu> anyone try todays hoary packages?
[12:19] <__daniel> ubuntu: are you too scared to try them yourself? ;-)
[12:19] <Ubuntu> daniel:  YEAH :)
[12:19] <seek187> Ubuntu, yes
[12:19] <Ubuntu> dont want to break my system
[12:19] <socks> I cant wait intil penguin
[12:19] <seek187> lol
[12:19] <Ubuntu> seek187 any differences?
[12:19] <seek187> Nope not really
[12:20] <Ubuntu> seek187:  i saw some gnome stuff
[12:20] <Ubuntu> ill reboot gnome
[12:20] <__daniel> ubuntu: try installing them yourself and use   apt-listchanges
[12:20] <seek187> yeah applets
[12:20] <Ubuntu> seek187 yep
[12:20] <Ubuntu> gonna reboot
[12:20] <Ubuntu> brb
[12:21] <Rene_S> nice, clean upgrade to Ubuntu "Hurtme".
[12:21] <aaroncuk> my server stopped responding to pings etc.. had to reboot it.. is there a log i can check to see why?
[12:21] <Ubuntu> looks the same to me
[12:22] <__daniel> aaroncuk: /var/log/syslog
[12:22] <__daniel> ubuntu: start coding and change the world :-)
[12:23] <aaroncuk> whats the view command lol
[12:23] <__daniel> aaroncuk: tail <filename> shows you the last lines (-f for "following-mode") (-n <number> shows the last n lines)
[12:24] <__daniel> aaroncuk: man tail   for more options :-)
[12:24] <the_one> hi
[12:24] <Rene_S> Hola
[12:24] <Ubuntu> daneil:  i want to fix the monitor bug
[12:25] <Ubuntu> daniel:  I mean the autodetection
[12:25] <Solkaris> jdub dh-make or debmake the prefered?
[12:25] <Ubuntu> daniel:  Im gonna take a look at the source
[12:25] <the_one> guys, my mouse' batteries died, and I swapped mice, now no mouse will work, even the original one, not even after reboot. I have 2 usb mice
[12:25] <Solkaris> jdub nm .. found that answer
[12:25] <Rene_S> ROB|MEPIS is now known as ROB|UNDECIDED|DISTRO
[12:26] <ROB|MEPIS> haha no
[12:26] <the_one> what's the solution?
[12:26] <Ubuntu> any new gnome applets or is it just bugfixes?
[12:26] <ROB|MEPIS> Right now ... I'm MEPIS, Yoper, Ubuntu, Kanotix and Libranet ... those are my only 5
[12:26] <the_one> anyone?
[12:26] <__daniel> ubuntu /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz is your friend :-)
[12:27] <ROB|MEPIS> I'm gonna be testing and going 1 by 1 to see which 1 i like and do not and which 1 im gonna stay with
[12:27] <the_one> please, I need some guidance
[12:27] <Rene_S> I had to give up on Yoper, not sure if there gonna be around too much longer
[12:27] <Solkaris> jdub .. you said to read the new maintainer guide .. trying to make sure I have all the software listed installed .. cant seem to find imake .. and ideas?
[12:27] <seek187> Rene_S, I know doesn't seem like it.. that's what I used before this
[12:27] <ROB|MEPIS> Rene_S: I hope they do because its hell nice
[12:28] <ROB|MEPIS> I have 3 partitions here so I'm gonna install Yoper and/or Ubuntu or Kanotix tonight
[12:28] <Ubuntu> daniel:  How do you do an ls by page?
[12:28] <Rene_S> Yeah its a nice distro, sure hope he can figure out how to fund it
[12:28] <Ubuntu> daniel:  ls -what?
[12:28] <ROB|MEPIS> Yea
[12:29] <__daniel> ubuntu: ls <bla> | more
[12:29] <Ubuntu> thanks daniel
[12:29] <Rene_S> ah crap i upgraded Kaffeine to the new lame version again, brb gotta downgrade
[12:30] <Ubuntu> daniel that log shows gibberish
[12:30] <__daniel> ubuntu its a .gz
[12:30] <Ubuntu> daniel:  oh
[12:30] <__daniel> ubuntu: so you have to    zmore bla.gz
[12:30] <Ubuntu> daniel:  so i have to unzip it?
[12:30] <Ubuntu> oh
[12:30] <Ubuntu> ok
[12:31] <__daniel> ubuntu: no, you dont have to
[12:31] <__daniel> ubuntu: zcat, ztail, zgrep and zmore are you friends :-)
[12:31] <Solkaris> any devs on .. have a question about the maintainers guide
[12:31] <Ubuntu> daniel:  New drivemount, new trash applet
[12:31] <Ubuntu> interesting :)
[12:31] <__daniel> ubuntu: just install apt-listchanges
[12:32] <Ubuntu> nah
[12:32] <Ubuntu> why do i have to?
[12:32] <__daniel> ubuntu: it mails you the changes of a packages upgrade
[12:32] <Ubuntu> daniel nah not necessary
[12:33] <Ubuntu> daniel is there a weather applet in gnome?
[12:33] <Ubuntu> it says weather but i dont see it
[12:34] <__daniel> apt-cache search weather applet
[12:34] <Ubuntu> daniel so its not part of gnome?
[12:34] <__daniel> apt-cache show gnome-applets :-)
[12:34] <Ubuntu> daniel no i mean where in gnome can i find it?
[12:34] <__daniel> if you try to add it, look out for "W"
[12:34] <Ubuntu> on the screen i mean
[12:34] <__daniel> "W" like weather :-)
[12:34] <__daniel> rightclick on panel -> add applet
[12:34] <Ubuntu> daniel is it installed?
[12:35] <Ubuntu> oh
[12:35] <Ubuntu> ahhhhhhhh
[12:35] <Ubuntu> i didnt know it had those
[12:35] <Ubuntu> daniel most people wouldnt realize that, should be a little better way
[12:35] <Ubuntu> not that i dont like it
[12:36] <__daniel> ubuntu: think about a better way and propose it on the gnome*-lists :-)
[12:36] <Ubuntu> daniel yeah i will
[12:36] <Ubuntu> daniel developers will prolly say no :P
[12:36] <__daniel> they wont
[12:36] <__daniel> if it's a good idea and you dig yourself into the code to at least propose changes :-)
[12:37] <Solkaris> is there a Dev in channel
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel :  One problem, weather has no way to change location
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel from the applet :P
[12:37] <Solkaris> err is there a Dev in channel that is currently paying attention to IRC?
[12:37] <__daniel> Solkaris: just ask your question
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel oops
[12:37] <__daniel> Solkaris: you'll see if they pay attention
[12:37] <Ubuntu> daniel everything is there, just its confusing
[12:37] <Solkaris> ok __daniel
[12:38] <__daniel> ubuntu: i didnt code it :-)
[12:38] <Ubuntu> daniel its a very nice app
[12:38] <__daniel> ubuntu: you may also have a look at gdesklets
[12:38] <Ubuntu> the applets i like alot, just kinda needs to be clearer
[12:39] <Solkaris> Im trying to learn how to build packages .. was refered to debian new maintainer manual .. question is to fold .. is there any know pdf of this material? and where is imake and xmkmf
[12:40] <Solkaris> *crickets*
[12:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show debhelper... its pretty handy...
[12:41] <__daniel> Solkaris: apt-cache search imake, apt-cache search xmkmf
[12:41] <Solkaris> yea and thats an answer to a pdf version and why there is no imake and xmkmf in ubuntu how?
[12:41] <Solkaris> there is no imake or xmkmf in the repository
[12:41] <Rene_S> Whatever happened to the service-admin tool that usually is in gnome-system-tools ?
[12:42] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: removed
[12:42] <tvon|x31> or disabled
[12:42] <tvon|x31> generally not there in some respect
[12:42] <__daniel> Solkaris: look what i told you about imake and xmkmf
[12:42] <Rene_S> aww, I miss that one, saves me from having to guess what things to remove
[12:42] <lil_anthony> question: is there a really easy to use gui prefered ftp deamon for ubuntu? i just want to setup  user/password an a directory where the user can send and receive files from
[12:43] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: the idea is that in a destkop the end user shouldnthave to screw with services
[12:43] <tvon|x31> something like that
[12:43] <Solkaris> trey' thank you for not answering my actual question .. I did what you said and it was zero help
[12:43] (trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: the only thing that comes up for both is "xutils"... this is what you want him to look at?
[12:43] <__daniel> Solkaris: looking at debhelper isnt done in "just a minute"
[12:43] <Ubuntu1> help
[12:44] <prescor> Hi.
[12:44] <__daniel> trey`: dunni...
[12:44] <Ubuntu1> i deleted the bottom bar accidentally
[12:44] <prescor> Doesn anyone have MOL running on Ubuntu?
[12:44] <Rene_S> Yeah thats fine in theory, however; I dont own a laptop or raid stuff or wireless things so I want to disable those services
[12:44] <Ubuntu1> daniel:  I added weather to the bottom bar, then somehow deleted that bar on the bottom
[12:44] <__daniel> trey`: dunno... i thought they were included in the package
[12:44] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: apt-cache show xutils ...
[12:44] <Ubuntu1> daniel:  How do i readd it?
[12:44] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: what are you building that requires imake/xmkmf?
[12:44] (trey`/#ubuntu) __daniel: both are listed in the package... apt-cache show xutils  :)
[12:44] <__daniel> trey`: i know
[12:44] <Solkaris> yea and it didnt answer the basic question is the Debian New Maintainers guide available in PDF? and why does it said document say to install 2 programs the dont exist in the repository?
[12:45] <Ubuntu2> daniel:  I have a problem :P
[12:45] <Ubuntu2> my bar is still open and i have 2 x-chats running
[12:45] <Solkaris> Im following the bloody list of programs to have installed in the document you sent me to jdub .. it says to install .. Im trying to install
[12:45] <Ubuntu2> and i cant see the bottom bar
[12:45] <Solkaris> should I not be installing those?
[12:45] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: Why do you want it in PDF form?
[12:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: you only need stuff required by what you want to build
[12:46] <Rene_S> right click on your desktop, open a terminal type gnome-panel restart
[12:46] <Solkaris> if not then why didnt someone just tell me that instead of trying to fob me off to apt-cache?
[12:46] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i think it would be better off if you did an 'apt-get source gedit' and looked at how other packages are done
[12:46] <Solkaris> trey' Oh for printing parts of  .. simply easier to read that a freaking webpage .. that kind of thing
[12:46] <__daniel> Ubuntu2: i did the same once... i guess, i just had to add a new panel
[12:46] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: will help as you read the new maintainer guide
[12:46] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because xutils contains the other packages you want...
[12:47] <Ubuntu> didnt work
[12:47] <Solkaris> trey' in the future just saying that would have helped
[12:47] <Ubuntu> it said i had a panel opened already
[12:47] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: saying that doesn't make you use the tools provided though...
[12:48] <Ubuntu> wasnt there a bar on the bottom of the screen by default?
[12:48] <__daniel> ubuntu: not if you deleted it :-/
[12:48] <Solkaris> jdub first you say read 10 chapter book on building packages and now your saying just read the gedit build?
[12:48] <Ubuntu1> hmm
[12:48] <Rene_S> ok then in a terminal type killall gnome-panel
[12:48] <Ubuntu1> still missing the bottom bar
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: no, both.
[12:49] <Solkaris> trey' thanks for trying to teach me something when Im so frustrated Im ready to f'ing fdisk this drive .. so utterly helpful and assistive
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> rene:  No what i want is to readd the bottom bar
[12:49] <Rene_S> then retype the gnome-panel restart command
[12:49] <Chibi> Add a new panel, doofis. :P
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> chibi how??
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: looking at examples is very helpful. there are examples in the documentation and available in the distro.
[12:49] <Rene_S> do you have a panel already ?
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> rene:  what is a panel?
[12:49] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: there is no need to be frustrated.
[12:49] <Chibi> I haven't used gnome panel in a while, but I belive you just right click the existing panel
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> rene:  All i know is im missing the bottom bar
[12:49] <Slackman> heya, are there any plans to add ppc KDE packages for either warty or hoary?
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> chibi:  I have no existing panel
[12:49] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: blah... what people have said are what everyone does to learn... read the documentation, then look at examples...
[12:49] <Slackman> and if so is there any thing i can do to help
[12:49] <Ubuntu1> i deleted it accidentally
[12:50] <__daniel> Solkaris: try to calm done... packaging projects won't work being frustrated :-/
[12:50] <Chibi> Both of them?
[12:50] <Rene_S> its the bar that you normaly have at the top and bottom of your desktop
[12:50] <Ubuntu1> chibi u mean the bottom panel?
[12:50] <Solkaris> jdub ok .. my question was about the fact that the guide said make sure you have x y z installed .. if I dont need y or z Im cool with that just needed someone to say dont need them .. not lead me on a goose chase
[12:50] <Ubuntu1> rene:  right, i have a top panel not a bottom panel
[12:50] <Chibi> The top and bottom panel are both the same program
[12:50] <cardador> Ubuntu: right click on the top panel, chose new panel,  drag it to the bottom
[12:50] <Chibi> right click the top panel and make a new panel
[12:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: if kde hasn't built on ppc, the build logs will show why -> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[12:50] <Chibi> :o
[12:50] <Ubuntu1> cardador thanks
[12:50] <Rene_S> oh then right click on the bar and choose new panel
[12:50] <zez> hello
[12:50] <Slackman> jdub, thanks...
[12:50] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I'd imagine jdub assumes you read the developer docs by now, and thus looking at a already-done package would be helpful to make what you read more clear...
[12:50] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: that wasn't the question you asked though
[12:50] <Rene_S> I thought you had no panel at all hehe
[12:51] <Solkaris> trey' you assume alot I can see .. stop trying to do that .. might make your comments more helpful
[12:51] <zez> what do I need to change the print command to in mozilla?  I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install
[12:52] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: how about I just /ignore you, and you can continue wasting devel's time... go you...
[12:52] <Solkaris> yea the question why arent these 2 programs in the repository when the book says to install them .. if someone had said .. they arent needed that would have been all good .. or they are part of another package so check to see if its installed
[12:52] <Ubuntu> now its double the size and its empty
[12:52] <Ubuntu> how do i restore it back to default?
[12:52] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: damnit, THEY ARE... they are part of the xutils package!!!
[12:52] <__daniel> Solkaris: i can really understand trey`... try to take it slow
[12:52] <Solkaris> trey' please do asap .. since you havent dont a damn thing to help me
[12:53] <Ubuntu> is there a quick way to restore the bottom back to default?
[12:53] (trey`/#ubuntu) Solkaris: I have though... you just refuse to take it... but whatever... done...
[12:53] <Solkaris> than why didnt you fucking saying that to start with assmonkey? instead of sitting ontop your throne looking down ... just fing saying it .. dont play teacher with other utils
[12:53] <__daniel> ubuntu: don't think so
[12:53] <Ubuntu> daniel dang
[12:53] <Ubuntu> daniel i bet im not the 1st to do this
[12:54] <__daniel> Solkaris: just add a new panel (somehow) and re-apply all the applets
[12:54] <Ubuntu> daniel:  How many pixels is your bottom bar?
[12:54] <Rene_S> I use 32
[12:54] <Rene_S> sometimes 36
[12:54] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: dude, please chill. that's inappropriate for this channel.
[12:54] <Ubuntu> rene what is the default one?
[12:54] <Slackman> jdub.some of the packages like kde-artwork don't even have entried..does that mean they aren't attempted becuase a dep failed?
[12:55] <Ubuntu> rene:  32 or 36?
[12:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: hrm, not sure.
[12:55] <Rene_S> I dunno, I always get a 24 for the bottom
[12:55] <Solkaris> I came here looking for help .. tried to follow that .. and I got contempt and attitude .. is this what I can expect in the future?
[12:55] <__daniel> ubuntu: 43
[12:55] <Ubuntu> can someone click on the bottom to see how many pixels it is
[12:55] <Ubuntu> 43? thanks
[12:55] <Rene_S> not sure what the top is
[12:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: i don't think you have.
[12:55] <Ubuntu> daniel no its not 43
[12:55] <kensai> I have to hard Drives is it posible from my ubuntu installation to format the other hard drive and create partitions with it? How?
[12:55] <Ubuntu> daniel:  I dont mean when u add a new panel
[12:55] <__daniel> ubuntu: mine is 43 :-)
[12:55] <Solkaris> well jdub Im trying but Im really frustated and having someone that knows the answer then play games with me is even more annoying
[12:56] <Ubuntu> daniel:  I mean the default bottom bar size
[12:56] <Rene_S> 24
[12:56] <Slackman> jdub, is there a ppc devel team that handles that stuff or is it purely just a build script?
[12:56] <__daniel> Solkaris: nobody plays games
[12:56] <Ubuntu> thanks rene
[12:56] <Rene_S> its the smallest it can go
[12:56] <Ubuntu> rene so 24 is the default right?
[12:56] <Rene_S> yeah
[12:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: no, everyone tracks the architectures, but we don't concentrate on unsupported packages
[12:56] <Ubuntu> rene:  Ok now what was on that taskbar?
[12:56] <Ubuntu> i have to readd the stuff
[12:56] <Solkaris> no I was .. I went to the web page that you told me to go jdub. I was starting from the beginning of said document which says make sure you have this stuff installed
[12:56] <Rene_S> windows list
[12:56] <pdaoust> hey, does anyone know where MySQL stores its databases in Ubuntu or Debian?
[12:57] <Rene_S> window task switcher
[12:57] <mike998> Gentlemen: Just wanted to say thanks to whoever helped me the other night
[12:57] <Solkaris> so I was making sure I had everything listed installed .. I ran into a problem finding 2 packages
[12:57] <Rene_S> and show desktop
[12:57] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: so you asked where it was, and you were told that apt-cache search could help you find things.
[12:57] <__daniel> ubuntu: just add whatever you like to see ;-)
[12:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: do this: 'rm ~/.gnome*'
[12:57] <__daniel> trey`: ???
[12:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) then log out and back in, you will get a default gnome again...
[12:57] <Solkaris> and when I asked about that .. rather than say " its part of Package X" I got conflicting use apt-cache bs .. why didnt they just say the first one?
[12:57] <Ubuntu> rene:  Which one is windows task switcher?
[12:57] <Ubuntu> trey:  Its ok i got it
[12:58] <Slackman> jdub, ah fair enough..erm is there some documentation i can read to get up to scratch with how stuff works. I love ubuntu and i'd like to help, so maybe i could try to get the kde packages to build for PPC
[12:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: because it's more helpful to show you how to search for things
[12:58] <Rene_S> workspace switcher
[12:58] <osiris_22> i need some help guys,.. i just installed ubuntu
[12:58] <Rene_S> sorry wrong choice of words
[12:58] <__daniel> Solkaris: re-talking talk doesnt help you now, does it? i dont want to be rude, but try to get on a bit slower with people...
[12:58] <Ubuntu> rene thanks
[12:58] <Slackman> jdub, by stuff i mean the build scripts etc..
[12:58] <Slackman> :)
[12:58] <Ubuntu> rene:  So theres just 3 things by default right?
[12:58] <Rene_S> it goes on the far right hand side
[12:58] <osiris_22> how do i access my windows partition?
[12:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: the output up there is from the build daemons, which automate building all of the packages
[12:58] <osiris_22> how do i also get java installed right to install limewire
[12:59] <Rene_S> the show destop on the left hand
[12:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: there isn't really a good map of how it all fits together yet
[12:59] <mike998> osiris_22: what did you call your windows partition when you partitioned your hard-drive?
[12:59] <Rene_S> and the other next to the show desktop
[12:59] <pdaoust> ha ha, never mind -- I don't even have MySQL server installed :)
[12:59] <Ubuntu> rene:  Its a little to the right for the show desktop
[12:59] <osiris_22> i didnt call it anything
[12:59] <Mitario> anybody knows what could be the cause that when I use evolution and imap to log on to my imap server my login failes, but when I access trough ssh i can login
[12:59] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: top bar has 7 entries... bottem has 4...
[12:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: but basically, stuff gets uploaded as source, the buildds build it (with logs), and then it gets plopped in the archive :)
[12:59] <Ubuntu> trey whats the 4th one?
[12:59] <Solkaris> if I wanted to take classes on it great .. but Im trying to do something .. I dont want to spend the next hour trying to figure out if its installed or not .. the short answer would have been far more helpful and less frustrating .. the answer I got made the situation worse
[01:00] <Solkaris> so it didnt teach me anything other than some people cant give a straight answer
[01:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: perhaps the trash applet?
[01:00] <Rene_S> Showdesktop_WindowList_Windowselector
[01:00] <Slackman> jdub, cool, well i'll have a go and see what i can do... :)
[01:00] <Ubuntu> rene which is the 4th one?
[01:00] <mike998> try sudo mkdir /share && sudo mount /dev/hdb /share
[01:00] <Rene_S> oh yeah that too
[01:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: people are tyring to help you generally, so please let it go
[01:00] <Ubuntu> oh yeah thats it
[01:00] <Ubuntu> thanks :)
[01:00] <zez> what do I need to change the print command to in mozilla?  I have kprinter in there from a previous Gentoo install
[01:00] <mike998> i think
[01:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it would seriously be easier if you just remove the .gnome stuff, and restart though  ;)
[01:00] <Rene_S> I trash mine so i forget its there
[01:00] <Solkaris> and I never got an answer for the pdf part .. just a response of why would you want that .. that really isnt an answer thats attitude
[01:00] <Ubuntu> trey` how do i do that?
[01:00] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Ill try it :)
[01:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oi, there is a kdeartwork log :)
[01:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/k/kdeartwork/
[01:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: like I said... 'rm .gnome*'  :)
[01:01] <Ubuntu> trey`:  ok
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: ahr, but not for ppc
[01:01] <mike998> osiris_22: try checking your Synaptic Package Manager
[01:01] <osiris_22> yeah
[01:01] <osiris_22> i did mike
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman: oh, there is for warty though
[01:01] <osiris_22> i installed java
[01:01] <osiris_22> but it needs to be in the path
[01:01] <mike998> okay - try cd /share
[01:01] <osiris_22> for limewire
[01:01] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: the dir's will be recreated when you log in... they will be exactly how they were when you first installed Ubuntu  :)
[01:01] <osiris_22> and when i go to the java dir
[01:01] <osiris_22> there is no files there
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) Slackman:
[01:01] <Solkaris> sorry jdub but this has been the worst experience in several years of linux use .. I didnt even get that kind of response from Gentoo people .. guess Ubuntu is just Debian attitude in a new dress
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) After installing, the following source dependencies are still unsatisfied:
[01:01] (jdub/#ubuntu) kdebase-dev(inst 4:3.2.2-1ubuntu2 ! >> wanted 4:3.3.0) kdelibs4-dev(inst 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 4:3.3.0)
[01:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) 
[01:02] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it's not.
[01:02] <osiris_22> im new to linux and i really dont know what im doing..
[01:02] <Ubuntu> trey` :  sudo right?
[01:02] <mike998> osiris_22: you have gone beyond my knowledge - I'm a newbie too
[01:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no, they are in your home dir  :)
[01:02] <Ubuntu> try`:  I ran it but now i get a < prompt
[01:02] <mike998> what documentation have you tried reading ?
[01:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: log out and back in...
[01:02] <osiris_22> there is no documentation on
[01:02] <osiris_22> it
[01:03] <osiris_22> i just wanna be able to get mp3s
[01:03] <osiris_22> and i have no way of doing this
[01:03] <osiris_22> with out java being in the right path
[01:03] <Solkaris> well I was just given the same treatment here that I got when I tried to use debian .. ask a simple question and get an answer that while it educates doesnt answer the question
[01:03] <Ubuntu> trey`:  i messed up terminal
[01:03] <osiris_22> and i have no idea what the hell that means lol
[01:03] <mxpxpod> is there a webpage for the buildd's for ubuntu?
[01:03] <Ubuntu> trey ok im back in terminal
[01:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) Solkaris: it helped you answer your question. please let it go and get on with things. this metadiscussion is not helpful.
[01:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: well gtk-gnutella is a better program and does not need java..
[01:03] <osiris_22> wjhere do i get that gamma
[01:03] <Ubuntu> now just from there run it without sudo?
[01:03] (jdub/#ubuntu) mxpxpod: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[01:03] <mike998> heh- i have a vauge idea, but I'm afraid I don't use Limewire.  I tend to use IRC channels to get my mp3s, if I want to get them
[01:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yup...
[01:04] <__daniel> Solkaris: you didnt get a META-META-answer, so don't complain... most people are happy to get to know tools to help them
[01:04] <Ubuntu> trey:  In /desktop?
[01:04] <Gnobody> The only anwsers I ever get are "it's in the wiki" or "why do you want to do that? n00b!"
[01:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: it's in universe
[01:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: then /etc/init.d/gdm restart from terminal...
[01:04] <Slackman> jdub, heya...where are the warty logs? i just noticed that apt-requires kde-core...however the build and package dirs are kde-base
[01:04] <osiris_22> its in universe?
[01:04] <osiris_22> dude gamma
[01:04] <osiris_22> im a newb
[01:04] <osiris_22> i dont know
[01:04] <mxpxpod> jdub: thanks
[01:04] <tvon|x31> I really hate it when I ask a question and someone asks why I'm doing it
[01:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... its a hidden file... ls -a in your home dir...
[01:04] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Whats the command again?
[01:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: in synapic enable the universe respository
[01:05] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: rm -r ~/.gnome*
[01:05] <mike998> osiris_22: there is documentation on adding universe to your synaptic repositiries
[01:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I mean synaptic
[01:05] <mxpxpod> daniels: ping
[01:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then you should find it if you search
[01:05] <Ubuntu> trey`:  was there a different .gnome as root?
[01:05] <Solkaris> waste of time
[01:05] <osiris_22> hey gamma
[01:05] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Cause i did a sudo that......
[01:05] <osiris_22> how do i inable that in synaptic
[01:05] <Ubuntu> i didnt mess anything up right?
[01:05] <osiris_22> im in synaptic
[01:05] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: yes... ls -a /root
[01:06] <osiris_22> but i dotn see that choice
[01:06] <Ubuntu> trey` crap
[01:06] <Ubuntu> trey`:  I removed the root one
[01:06] <mike998> osiris_22: check out http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-130623.html
[01:06] <Ubuntu> trey`:  Doesnt matter?
[01:06] <mike998> It's what I used
[01:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: doesn't really matter though, will still be recreated...
[01:06] <cardador> osiris_22: preferences -> repositories
[01:06] <Ubuntu> ok
[01:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: now do it in your home dir though  :)
[01:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: settings->repositories
[01:06] <Slackman> jdub, n/m found the warty one..but yeh its looking for package names that aren't the same
[01:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) (without sudo)
[01:07] <mike998> GammaRay:Ooooo - I learned something
[01:07] <Ubuntu> trey ok
[01:07] <Ubuntu> done
[01:07] <Ubuntu> gotta reboot gnome
[01:07] <Ubuntu> brb
[01:07] <osiris_22> ok gamma
[01:08] <osiris_22> when i start synaptic
[01:08] <osiris_22> i get errors now
[01:08] <Ubuntu> now it made it worse
[01:08] <Ubuntu> theres a bar on the right
[01:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: like what?
[01:08] <cardador> Ubuntu: drag it to where you want it
[01:08] <__daniel> ubuntu: drag it down
[01:09] <Ubuntu> i think i did something wrong
[01:09] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: wtf... blah... should have restored defaults...  :/
[01:09] <Ubuntu> trey`:  what are the procedures again?
[01:09] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: I do it whenever I fuck something up (which is quite often...)
[01:09] <osiris_22> could not stat source package list http something something something
[01:09] <Ubuntu> trey`:  and i just run em all from terminal?
[01:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: press the reload button
[01:10] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: just 'rm -r ~/.gnome*' and log out and back into gnome...
[01:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: that won't get it all
[01:10] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: this will remove .gnome .gnome2 and .gnome2_private...
[01:10] <Ubuntu> trey after i do that i get a >
[01:10] <Ubuntu> thats normal?
[01:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ~/.gconf is where most settings are stored
[01:10] <osiris_22> ok what was the name of the program
[01:11] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: That doesn't tend to keep panel info afaik?
[01:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtj-gnutella
[01:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: gtk-gnutella
[01:11] <Ubuntu> trey nope directories not empty
[01:12] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: it shouldn't have changed your prompt at all... this only affects gnome...
[01:12] <Ubuntu> i did exactly as you said rm -r ~/.gnome*'
[01:12] <cardador> GammaRay: LimeWire is much better
[01:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: I disagree
[01:12] <Ubuntu> and after it changed my prompt to >
[01:12] <Ubuntu> i exit and the directories are still there
[01:12] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: haha... they use the same protocol... and gtk-gnutella is faster...
[01:12] <Ubuntu> maybe without the '?
[01:12] <cardador> trey`: for me is the opposite... limewire is much faster :\
[01:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: ahh... yes...
[01:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) cardador: uh huh...
[01:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: that makes no sense... java is slow for me  :/
[01:13] <Ubuntu> trey ok
[01:13] <Ubuntu> trey works :P
[01:13] <Ubuntu> gonna relog in
[01:13] <Ubuntu> brb
[01:13] <cardador> trey`: i mean the downloads. they start almost imediately
[01:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: :)   I was just quoting the commands...
[01:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) gtk-gnutella also has killer rules which coudl allow it to operate on it's own if you wanted
[01:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: should be irrelivant, its the same network  :/
[01:14] <cardador> GammaRay: ill try gtk-gnutella again..
[01:14] <Ubuntu> nope
[01:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: but we don't approve of stealing music... so you should talk about this in #ubuntu-offtopic or something  :)
[01:14] <Ubuntu> still there
[01:14] <Ubuntu> trey:  Nope no good
[01:14] <Ubuntu> trey:  maybe i have to reboot?
[01:15] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: no... it should have already restored defaults :/
[01:15] <Slackman> hey is there any way to get ubuntu's gnome to default to the standard menu layout etc..?
[01:15] <Slackman> i.e default gnome
[01:15] (trey`/#ubuntu) Slackman: why would you want to do that?
[01:15] <Ubuntu> trey whats the command again?
[01:15] <nosami> Please could someone here help me get my ITE8212 raid controller working on Ubuntu?
[01:16] (trey`/#ubuntu) Ubuntu: 'rm -r .g*' will do it... I said 'rm -r .gnome*' though...
[01:16] <Slackman> trey`, i knew someone was going to ask that :) ...
[01:16] <Ubuntu> trey there was gstreamer in there
[01:16] <Ubuntu> trey those all get recreated?
[01:16] <Slackman> trey`, just out of curiousity, is it possible with out touching the code?
[01:17] <osiris_22> hey gamma
[01:17] <darksatanic> nosami: I've just read an email about that on the kernel mailing list.
[01:17] <osiris_22> i cant get that gtk to find anything i type in
[01:17] <nosami> darksatanic: where can I find it?
[01:17] <darksatanic> nosami: Looks like you need a 2.6.9-ac kernel.
[01:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) ubuntulog: yup, and gaim etc... the dir will be recreated though... the rm -r .g* command will give you basically a fresh new gnome...
[01:18] <darksatanic> nosami: It's not fully supported yet -- the current driver doesn't do DMA yet.
[01:18] <nosami> Will i need to compile it myself?
[01:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trey`: imo the RIAA has been stealing the music from the commonwealth for a long time w/ their rediculiously long copyrights
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> cardator: heya!
[01:18] <darksatanic> nosami: Yes.
[01:18] <osiris_22> hey gamma
[01:18] <Phr0stByte> cardator: You get tired of Mandrake too?
[01:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: this might be a better topic for #gtk-gnutella
[01:18] (trey`/#ubuntu) GammaRay: true enough... I didn't say I don't, but its wrong to almost promote it...
[01:18] <osiris_22> lord
[01:18] <darksatanic> nosami: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110090864122536&w=2
[01:19] <Solkaris> anyone know if there is a way to cancel a free CD order?
[01:19] <jcole> why can't totem or rythmbox play mp3's with libmpg123? xmms can use libmpg123 just fine...
[01:19] <Solkaris> cant seem to get into shipit
[01:19] <nosami> darkstanic: ok thanks. At least I know what direction I'm aiming for now.. I've been going around in circles all night!
[01:19] (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: because they use gstreamer... activate universe, and install 'gstreamer0.8-mad'...
[01:19] <cardador> Phr0stByte: who the hell is cardator? :)
[01:20] <Phr0stByte> cardador: sorry
[01:20] <darksatanic> nosami: Hope you get it working eventually... And good luck. :)
[01:20] <FTTP> i wiped my gnome
[01:20] <nosami> darksatanic: cheers!
[01:20] <Phr0stByte> cardador: you know who I meant
[01:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: good job?
[01:20] <FTTP> trey:  Its me ubuntu
[01:20] <FTTP> trey:  It made it worse.....
[01:21] <FTTP> trey:  the ubuntu thing in the middle of the screen comes out in the bottom right and the windows open up all wrong so u cant see the screen right
[01:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I do it on average like once a week, I don't see what could be different about your's  :/
[01:21] <FTTP> trey were u using hoary?
[01:21] <jcole> trey`: interesting, works now w/gstreamer....
[01:21] <FTTP> trey`:  Maybe cause i wiped the root one?
[01:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I've done it for warty, hoary, sid, fedora...
[01:22] <FTTP> trey`:  All i know is the ubuntu now comes out in the bottom
[01:22] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: shouldn't matter... root is just another user...
[01:22] <dafart> any chance for mplayer-plugin for mozilla in amd64 ?
[01:22] <FTTP> trey`:  And the windows come out messed up screenwise
[01:22] <FTTP> trey`:   oh well ill just reinstall hoary
[01:22] <FTTP> :P
[01:23] <Solkaris> anyone know if there is a way to cancel order for the free cds?
[01:23] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: bah... I don't get why it broke so much for you  :(
[01:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) Solkaris: log in and set your amounts to zero
[01:23] <FTTP> trey i dunno
[01:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) defendguin: I think there are problems... the win32 codecs are 32bit
[01:23] <FTTP> trey:  gnome still needs work tho
[01:23] <Solkaris> thanks sladen .. having trouble getting in .. but good to know there is a way =) thanks for response
[01:24] <FTTP> it was only hoary so... :P
[01:24] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, so ?
[01:24] <FTTP> sladen:  yah
[01:25] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: so, ...?   (so, what?)
[01:25] <FTTP> now i gotta remount, reinstall nvidia, microsoft core fonts
[01:25] <FTTP> work to do :P
[01:25] <FTTP> heh
[01:26] <jcole> trey`: shouldn't gstreamer be a dependency to totem/rythmbox?
[01:27] <defendguin> sladen, huh?
[01:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: umm, it is... but the mpg plugin isn't installed by default...
[01:27] <__daniel> good night, guys... i'm off :-)
[01:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) jcole: mad = mpg audio decoder... mp3...
[01:28] <FTTP> http://news.com.com/Sun+plans+patent+protection+for+open-source+Solaris/2100-7344_3-5456451.html
[01:28] <FTTP> interesting
[01:28] <FTTP> microsoft has to go
[01:29] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell is already doing that  ;)
[01:29] <FTTP> trey`:  I have novell linux 9
[01:29] <FTTP> its bad :P
[01:29] <FTTP> nice features but
[01:29] <FTTP> it messed up my mbr
[01:29] (trey`/#ubuntu) I didn't really like NLD  :/    felt wrong to me...
[01:29] <FTTP> trey`:  Microsoft is a big bully
[01:30] <FTTP> trey`:  Everyone other than microsoft HATES MICROSOFT :P
[01:30] <FTTP> its a fact
[01:30] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: thats stupid to say... they just want to make more money, same as any other business...
[01:30] <Rene_S> wow movie trailers work nice in Kaffeine and Firefox 1.0
[01:30] <FTTP> realplayer hated microsoft
[01:30] <FTTP> every company which has developed apps for microsoft hates em
[01:30] <mike998> hmmm - I mounted my windows partition earlier but now I can't seem to see it - does anyone have any ideas?
[01:30] <FTTP> they control you
[01:30] <FTTP> netscape hates microsoft
[01:31] <FTTP> u get the point
[01:31] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: People that Microsoft basically put out of business of course dislike them...
[01:31] <FTTP> trey`:  no its not stupid to say
[01:31] <vinic> mike998: try a mount -a
[01:31] <defendguin> has anyone see what fedora did to the file selector?
[01:32] <defendguin> http://www.redhat.com/magazine/001nov04/features/fedoracore3/
[01:32] <FTTP> trey`:   microsoft controls us
[01:32] (trey`/#ubuntu) Microsoft is just a successful business, which a bad product line....
[01:32] <FTTP> trey`:  They control our desktop apps, and everything as a nation in the usa
[01:32] <mike998> defendguin: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist
[01:32] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: blah... I don't run Microsoft software, how do they control me?
[01:32] <FTTP> trey`:  i only know the usa marketplace.......... for desktop you are beholden to them
[01:33] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) I think what is hated is the verocity with which Microsoft try to be the dominant player. It's not even borderline criminal, it is criminal.
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  alot of apps are microsoft only
[01:33] <defendguin> mike998, huh?
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  thank goodness for wine tho :)
[01:33] <mike998> defendguin: apologies that was not meant for you
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  is the source code for solaris due to be released?
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  If so, can linux borrow from it?
[01:33] (trey`/#ubuntu) kremlyn: every business in the world has gone about business in an illegal manor at some point... at least the successful ones have...
[01:33] <mike998> vinic: mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist
[01:33] <paspourtoi> Welcome to Earth: A wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft Corp
[01:33] <FTTP> trey`:  Or it it just the binaries?
[01:34] <FTTP> thats what i dont know
[01:34] <vinic> mike998: go to /dev/ and see what hd. exist
[01:34] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, they are planning an OpenSolaris once they get SCO to stfu about licensing issues etc...
[01:34] <vinic> mike998: hdc?
[01:34] <FTTP> trey`:  If it goes full opensource for solaris....... then linux could add some good pieces and solaris could add good pieces of linux, etc...
[01:34] <vinic> mike998: maybe
[01:34] <FTTP> trey`:  It benefits the open source community
[01:34] <mike998> vinic: this is strange
[01:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: I doubt they will allow that actually...
[01:35] <mike998> vinic: hdc=cdrom drive
[01:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) We will see once they put up the terms of their license though..
[01:35] <vinic> mike998: strange indeed
[01:35] <FTTP> trey` yep
[01:35] <FTTP> trey`:  Linux has more app compatibility
[01:35] <FTTP> than solaris
[01:35] <FTTP> i think right?
[01:35] <mike998> vinic: /dev/hdb appears to have gone to hawaii without the rest of the drive
[01:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not so much... Solaris has a Linux compatibility feature...
[01:36] <FTTP> solaris should be able to run linux apps tho so it will be interesting
[01:36] <FTTP> trey yeah thats what i mean
[01:36] <FTTP> but natively not
[01:36] <vinic> mike998: :)
[01:36] <FTTP> trey:  solaris still using gnome tho
[01:36] <Solkaris> is there any way to get gstreamer to decode dixv avi files for video? all avi come out as blank screens with sound
[01:36] <vinic> mike998: were they mounted at boot?
[01:36] <FTTP> so even if we use solaris we are getting some of the same components
[01:37] <mike998> vinic: nah - I figured I could do it manually when I wanted the stuff
[01:37] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes... most software companies other then Apple and Microsoft are going to GNOME...
[01:37] <FTTP> trey:  Alot are kde
[01:38] <FTTP> trey:  Gnome and KDE.... novell uses both for example
[01:38] <vinic> mike998: did you have a look to fstab?
[01:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: not really actually... KDE is becoming more and more the hobbiest desktop...
[01:38] <FTTP> trey`:  nope........ u can choose from both in fedora still
[01:38] <mike998> for some reason I have always liked gnome: It's simpler IMHO
[01:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Novell uses both because of SUSE... they default to GNOME though...
[01:38] <FTTP> trey`:  Lindows = KDE
[01:38] <FTTP> xandros is kde i think?
[01:38] <FTTP> not sure on xandros
[01:38] <mike998> vinic: fstab!
[01:38] (trey`/#ubuntu) FTTP: Lindows and Xandros = crap though  :/
[01:39] <FTTP> trey lindows is big tho
[01:39] <FTTP> they have alot of capital
[01:39] <mike998> vinic: Nothing there, but I was wracking my brains trying to figure out what the name of the file was!
[01:39] <FTTP> compared to some smaller distros
[01:39] (trey`/#ubuntu) Companies trying to be more like Microsoft choose KDE, companies trying to innovate choose GNOME...
[01:39] <vinic> mike998: lets go PM
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  well yeah
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  I hate KDE
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  Thats why i like ubuntu
[01:39] (trey`/#ubuntu) I like KDE... I just like GNOME more...
[01:39] <mike998> vinic: I'm trying bitchx and am not sure how to PM
[01:39] <FTTP> trey:  well i dont mean hate hate, it just too windowish
[01:40] <cardador> what about xfce? :)
[01:40] <FTTP> trey:  ITs better than windows :P
[01:40] <vinic> mike998: clic on my name
[01:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: I can't believe they are getting a start button... grrr  :(
[01:40] <cardador> trey`: maybe you can remove it...
[01:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) cardador: you can, but still  :(
[01:41] <cardador> trey`: nevertheless, it is the best option for low end pcs
[01:41] <Avestruz> I'm having problems to use Skype on Ubuntu. Someone to help me?
[01:41] (trey`/#ubuntu) I dunno, this should continue in #ubuntu-offtopic... thought I was already there...
[01:42] <cardador> Avestruz: pergunta 'a vontade ;)
[01:43] <Avestruz> cardador: instalei o Skype perfeitamente. Consigo adicionar contatos e at entrar em chats com eles mas no ouo nada e nem eles me ouvem...
[01:44] <cardador> Avestruz: better keep it in english so others can help!
[01:44] <cardador> Avestruz: i have never used skype, so cant help
[01:45] <Avestruz> cardador: so why you aswered me in Portuguese!
[01:45] <cardador> Avestruz: because ive noticed your funny nick :)
[01:45] <Avestruz> cardador: thank you anyway.
[01:46] <cardador> Avestruz: have you checked your microphone volume?
[01:46] <Avestruz> cardador: yep. I can record my voice using the sound recorder...
[01:46] <Solkaris> anyone a gstreamer guy that can tell me if its possible to watch divx/avi video using gstreamer? all Im getting now is a black screen with sound
[01:46] <SEBest> hello don't you think that nautilus should allow the user to change it's user id, when there is a "permission denied".
[01:46] <SEBest> Instead of failing with this message, nautilius should pop up a dialog asking for a user name and a password that allow him to access this folder.
[01:47] <SEBest> what do you think?
[01:47] <mike998> vinic: I used vi... I like being able to use search... Nothing.. this is annoying me now.
[01:48] <Avestruz> ALL: I have a Toshiba notebook and I'm trying to configure Skype on it. I can record my voice but when I try to use Skype, the application says there is a problem with my sound device. What can I do?
[01:50] <Solkaris> so thats a no?
[01:50] <cardador> Solkaris: gstreamer never worked for me
[01:50] <SEBest> Solkaris, i think it works
[01:50] <jpvcx> Solkaris: gst-ffmpeg (i think), however I (probably due the fact that I 'am still a newbie) haven't got it working probably yet (runs out of sync on most xvid/divx file
[01:51] <Solkaris> I have gst-ffmpeg installed .. getting sound .. just no picture =(
[01:51] <cardador> Solkaris: install totem-xine
[01:52] <vinic> hi! just a little question: are pon/poff commands runable by su only? Or can I make some kind of quick launcher for user use?
[01:52] <Solkaris> ok .. guess thats the fix =) thanks Carador
[01:53] <FTTP> sco claims linux users are using their patents
[01:53] <FTTP> we are?
[01:54] <FTTP> cause of ibm contributed code!
[01:54] <FTTP> doh
[01:54] <Solkaris> go read Grok FTTP
[01:54] <FTTP> It's that they've taken a substantial amount of our code is what creates the battleground. It's interesting to hear Red Hat speak at financial conference yesterday and their comment is, 'We're really scaling Linux up. Linux is really growing up.' If you take IBM out of the equation, Linux would not be growing up, it would not be SMP-enabled, it would not be multi processing, scaling up to hundreds of servers. It is IBM that
[01:54] <FTTP> ibm did the jfs right?
[01:55] <FTTP> solkaris:  Grok?
[01:55] <Solkaris> Groklaw
[01:55] <jpvcx> groklaw.net
[01:55] <FTTP> oh
[01:56] <FTTP> thought u meant Grok is an open source natural language processing library written in Java. It is part of the OpenNLP project, and provides implementations for most of the interfaces defined in the opennlp.common package.
[01:56] <Micksa> please just say "groklaw" :)
[01:56] <Solkaris> and be prepared for days and days of reading =)
[01:56] <FTTP> that grok
[01:56] <Micksa> "grok" can mean a few things
[01:56] <Micksa> see? :)
[01:56] <Solkaris> aye my bad .. sorry
[01:56] <paspourtoi> FTTP: you are believing the mythology - reading Groklaw will open your eyes
[01:57] <FTTP> Sun's Jonathan Schwartz Will Take Your Questions Now
[01:57] <FTTP> 
[01:57] <FTTP> Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:22 AM EST
[01:57] <FTTP> doh
[01:57] <FTTP> i would have asked him questions
[01:57] <FTTP> too late?
[01:57] <FTTP> i missed it by not that many hours
[01:58] <FTTP> paspourtoi what mythology??
[01:58] <FTTP> paspourtoi:  see im confused by the whole thing actually
[01:58] <FTTP> paspourtoi:  IBM had os/2, got f0cked by microsoft
[01:58] <FTTP> os/2 and aix right?
[01:58] <mike998> smeg
[01:59] <FTTP> paspourtoi:  IBM saw the way out as making money off of service and support
[01:59] <FTTP> so they gave alot of stuff like jfs to the opensource community
[01:59] <Avestruz> FTTP: I've used OS/2 for 3 years. An amazing OS...
[01:59] <FTTP> avestruz:  im not saying it wasnt.........
[01:59] <paspourtoi> FTTP: some people would like you to think GNU/Linux is impossible without the big companies: history suggests otherwise
[01:59] <LinuxJones> FTTP, SCO are a bunch of liars who wanted to kill an already dying company and make a few dollars before it's end. It's called a "Bust-Out"
[01:59] <madsen> Hmm, is it possible to install Ubuntu in a chroot'ed environment from a Debian box?
[01:59] <madsen> And how...
[02:00] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I actually trust david boies
[02:00] <FTTP> fwtw
[02:00] <FTTP> this was the napster guy
[02:00] <Avestruz> FTTP: and I'm not saying you said it wasn't!
[02:00] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  yeah why would you do something like that ?
[02:00] <FTTP> linuxjones:  why would i say something like that?
[02:00] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Like what?
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I dont know much about the case on either side...... just know that alot of software companies got f0cked over
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I do know though that boies is a moral and honest man
[02:01] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  that you trusted David Boies ?
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Cause ive seen him in action
[02:01] <Solkaris> lol
[02:01] <paspourtoi> FTTP: he's an opportunist IMO
[02:01] <FTTP> linuxjones:  i know alot about many of the cases hes pursued
[02:01] <Solkaris> hes a lawyer .. he goes and fights for pay .. IE mercenary
[02:01] <FTTP> like tyco
[02:02] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  well explain his actions with regards to SCO vs IBM ?
[02:02] <FTTP> linuxjones i dont know cause thats one of his cases im not familiar with
[02:02] <Solkaris> 31 million .. thats why
[02:02] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I just said i trusted him in general :P
[02:02] <madsen> Noone installed Ubuntu in a chroot env?
[02:03] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Is it true that IBM developed all the technology for file systems and multicpus and the like with linux or not?
[02:03] <FTTP> see i dont kno
[02:03] <FTTP> ww
[02:03] <LinuxJones> FTTP,  SCO said that there were over a million lines of code in the Linux kernel between version 2.4 and 2.6, however there were only 850,000 lines of code added during that time of development. Meybe he is a very moral man he just can't do basic math.
[02:04] <FTTP> linuxjones:  a jury will decide that FYI
[02:04] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Which is fair
[02:04] <FTTP> linuxjones:  If its wrong, case loses :P
[02:04] <Solkaris> he can go basic math .. 31 million is a good amount to make even if the case is bs .. either way he gets paid
[02:05] <LinuxJones> FTTP, not if but when :)
[02:05] <FTTP> linuxjones we shall see
[02:05] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Boies has a habit of winning
[02:05] <FTTP> except for election 2000 :P
[02:05] <FTTP> hehe
[02:05] <FTTP> who knows i dont know much about the case
[02:05] <Solkaris> lol FTTP you need to go read Groklaw before you start talking about this case .. go read the legal documents
[02:06] <LinuxJones> FTTP, you sound like a Darl McBride type
[02:06] <FTTP> solkaris which one?
[02:06] <FTTP> solkaris too many lawsuits all over the place
[02:06] <FTTP> novell, ibm, redhat, sco, blah blah
[02:06] <FTTP> everyone is suing everyone else
[02:06] <Solkaris> no go read groklaw.net .. it has all the information about the case and all related cases
[02:06] <LinuxJones> fftp, Boies is a 3 time looser (in the words of Eric S. Raymond)
[02:07] <FTTP> solkaris which link?
[02:07] <FTTP> solkaris i just want a quick synopsis
[02:07] <ycco> jdub: you awake?
[02:07] <FTTP> of what the case involves
[02:08] <Solkaris> no you dont .. you got a quick synopsis and then said you trust Boise to be honest .. you need to go read what legal BS games they are playing .. how they are telling a judge in one courtroom one thing and then another judge the opposite
[02:08] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: Boies has lost all the major cases he has litigated in
[02:08] <Solkaris> you need to go read the history of the case .. and the on going timelines
[02:09] <FTTP> sladen he did?
[02:09] <FTTP> tyco was a loss?
[02:09] <FTTP> microsoft was a loss?
[02:09] <Solkaris> if your going to argue or understand the case .. its not something you can sum up in a single paragraph and really get understanding of the whole thing
[02:09] <paspourtoi> FTTP: have a look at SCOX stock to see what the market thinks about the case: a one year graph makes interesting viewing
[02:09] <FTTP> paspourtoi im not saying either side is right
[02:09] <FTTP> i dont know anything about the case PERIOD, just know from other cases, boies is right on the ball
[02:10] <FTTP> solkaris:  I just want a summation
[02:10] <FTTP> solkaris of the key pointsd
[02:10] <FTTP> err points
[02:10] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: http://www.groklaw.net/
[02:10] <FTTP> i dont want to read legal documents
[02:10] <FTTP> they are made for courts
[02:10] <FTTP> i just want a synopsis
[02:11] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: perhaps you'd take the time to read the analysis that Groklaw is famed for
[02:11] <FTTP> sladen on which link?
[02:11] <FTTP> sladen too many links there
[02:11] <Solkaris> all of them
[02:11] <FTTP> all of  them?
[02:11] <Solkaris> its a complex and huge case
[02:11] <FTTP> hours of reading, no thanks :P
[02:12] <FTTP> im not the lawyer or a law student
[02:12] <paspourtoi> FTTP: if you aren't willing to read groklaw, then really you shouldn't comment on Boies or the case. This has been going on since early last year
[02:12] <Solkaris> dont need to be .. Im not and I understand it fine
[02:12] <FTTP> solkaris groklaws comments are prolly biased towards the opensource community
[02:13] <FTTP> i want independent analysis :P
[02:13] <tom__> anyone running a printer on another networked pc satisfactorily?
[02:13] <paspourtoi> FTTP: of course they are! They are also based on research by thousands of people
[02:13] <paspourtoi> FTTP: if you want facts, they are all there
[02:14] <Solkaris> then read grok .. the judges are .. lawyers do .. .lawyers comment on the case there .. and PJ while being biased opensource is also a paralegal that breaks down what is being said in common english
[02:14] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: ah, independent analysis---you'll be wanting prosco
[02:14] <Solkaris> LOL
[02:14] <paspourtoi> sladen: hahah
[02:14] <FTTP> solkaris so which link on that website?
[02:14] <Solkaris> ALL OF THEM
[02:14] <FTTP> some of that stuff is for opensource legal projects
[02:15] <FTTP> i dont want open source legal project
[02:15] <Solkaris> IBM SCO timeline
[02:15] <FTTP> i just want to know what the case involves
[02:15] <FTTP> thanks solkaris
[02:15] <Solkaris> Novell vs SCO
[02:15] <Solkaris> because they are related
[02:15] <tom__> i can see the printer on another pc using http://192.etc/631 but my applications cannot see it whats happening?
[02:15] <paspourtoi> FTTP: either do the reading, or accept that you are not going to be informed in your judgements
[02:16] <FTTP> no thanks ill pass
[02:16] <FTTP> ill leave it up to the courts :)
[02:16] <FTTP> i trust em
[02:16] <FTTP> it seems like its basically a mishmosh of gpl claims vs patent claims vs claims against others
[02:17] <tom__> strewth fttp if everyone did that we would still have slavery
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  so? :P
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  Im not a lawyer
[02:17] <tom__> ;-)
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  That was different
[02:17] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: you're right, none of them actually have anything to do with Linux, they're all contract disputes
[02:17] <FTTP> tom:  Lawyers will handle this and consumers like you will fight for the open source :)
[02:17] <osiris_22> how
[02:17] <osiris_22> do i make my desktop icons smaller
[02:17] <osiris_22> they look big and ugly as hell
[02:17] <FTTP> there are open source advocates, commercial advocates, blah blah
[02:18] <FTTP> sladen this explains why there should NOT be software patents IMHO
[02:18] <FTTP> sladen with software patents tho, it turns things into courts like this
[02:18] <osiris_22> come on someone has got to have an idea on how to make the icons small
[02:18] <FTTP> patents should not exist
[02:18] <osiris_22> they are big and ugly
[02:18] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: erm, why are you bringing patents into it.  I thought I said *contract disputes*.
[02:19] <tom__> can anyone assist me with a CUPS question?
[02:19] <FTTP> sladen:  yeah but u dont have contract disputes if you dont have patents
[02:19] <FTTP> sladen:  the patents are the real underlying issue
[02:19] <FTTP> the contract disputes are due to the patents
[02:19] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: not in any of these five casese, no
[02:20] <FTTP> yes........
[02:20] <FTTP> they all had code they created
[02:20] <FTTP> patent copywright maybe im not using right term
[02:20] <FTTP> everyone wants a piece of the pie
[02:21] <FTTP> sladen alot of them crosslicensed stuff i know
[02:21] <FTTP> but
[02:22] <FTTP> they are basically fighting amongst themselves
[02:22] <FTTP> for moola
[02:22] <FTTP> its a power struggle/moola
[02:22] <tom__> your moola
[02:22] <jcole> trey`: apt-get install gstreamer-plugins
[02:22] <fester> ok i just got it installed
[02:22] <FTTP> see lets assuming sco got a huge piece of the pie
[02:22] <fester> how and the fuck do i use limewire
[02:22] <FTTP> it just changes around the money balance
[02:23] <FTTP> microsoft still is king
[02:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm not sure who 'they' is.  But a quick read of Groklaw should bring you up to speed---indeed it has (like many people here) taught me a great deal about the US Justicial System
[02:23] <jcole> fester: put it in your mouth and hummmmm
[02:23] <FTTP> sladen :  Sco, novell, ibm, etc........ is they
[02:23] (sladen/#ubuntu) fester: limewire is a Java app
[02:23] <tom__> isn't this sco thing off tpic here?
[02:23] <jcole> fester: apt-get source java-package
[02:23] <FTTP> sladen:  Each will get their fair share back and each will have equal power
[02:24] <osiris_22> does anyone know how to make the icons smaller
[02:24] <FTTP> sladen:  The financial balance will mean each is back to square 1
[02:24] <fester> hi osiris_22
[02:24] <FTTP> that would be the ultimate outcome IMHO
[02:24] <fester> whats going on
[02:24] <osiris_22> hey bro
[02:24] <mojo> sladen: u use LimeWire?
[02:24] <osiris_22> so these peopel seem to have a problem helping me or something
[02:24] (sladen/#ubuntu) mojo: nope
[02:25] <tom__> osiris you can do it through Computer>desktop options
[02:25] <osiris_22> i cant find the option tom
[02:25] <osiris_22> thats why i asked here
[02:25] <netmonk> osiris_22, Open Nautilus, edit, preferences, default zoom level
[02:25] <jcole> osiris_22: something you may like - http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/
[02:25] <netmonk> "and there you go" ;)
[02:25] (sladen/#ubuntu) osiris_22: move future away from the screen
[02:26] (sladen/#ubuntu) osiris_22: move further away from the screen
[02:26] <netmonk> sladen, :)
[02:26] <osiris_22> yeah that link wont even open mozilla
[02:26] <osiris_22> wtf
[02:26] <osiris_22> anyway
[02:26] <madsen> Arg, anyone tried installing Ubuntu in a chroot'ed env?
[02:27] <madsen> C'mon, don't be ashamed... Just say it... ;)
[02:27] <tom__> osiris hang on i was there just a few minutes ago i will see how i got the exactly ...
[02:27] <osiris_22> ok what is nautilus
[02:27] <osiris_22> where is that at
[02:27] <netmonk> home folder, osiris_22
[02:27] <osiris_22> no its not
[02:27] <fester> how do u kill prosecces
[02:28] <osiris_22> run xkill
[02:28] <fester> my amsn crashed
[02:28] <fester> how do u do that
[02:28] <osiris_22> just use game fester
[02:28] <osiris_22> umm go to applications
[02:28] <paper> fester, killall amsn
[02:28] <osiris_22> go to run
[02:28] <osiris_22> type xkill
[02:28] <osiris_22> and it will give you a lil do hick put it over amsn and clock
[02:28] <osiris_22> click
[02:28] <osiris_22> i cant figure out this icon zoom thing
[02:28] <netmonk> osiris_22, Open Nautilus, edit, preferences, default zoom level, 75% ;)
[02:29] <osiris_22> netmonk
[02:29] <osiris_22> i cant find nautilus
[02:29] <osiris_22> its not in the home folder
[02:29] <mike998> it IS your home folder
[02:29] <netmonk> osiris_22, when you open the HOME folder go to Edit
[02:29] <mike998> nautilus = windows explorer
[02:29] <jcole> killall X
[02:30] <osiris_22> ok
[02:30] <osiris_22> i did that net monk
[02:30] <RuffianSoldier> i love doing that
[02:30] <osiris_22> but the icon size didnt change at all
[02:30] <mike998> preferences > icon view defaults
[02:30] <osiris_22> ok
[02:30] <osiris_22> i got it
[02:30] <osiris_22> im sorry
[02:30] <osiris_22> i was being a tard
[02:31] <mike998> change the default zoom level to something less than 100%
[02:31] <mike998> meh - I've done worse
[02:31] <osiris_22> now how do i install icons?
[02:31] <osiris_22> lmao
[02:31] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[02:31] <mike998> easy
[02:31] <mike998> download icons in a tar.gz or similar
[02:32] <mike998> open computer > desktop preferences > themes
[02:32] <mike998> you can figure it out from there
[02:32] <fester> now how the fuck do i get something to downlaod a mp3 with
[02:32] <mike998> did it today - it's fresh in my memory
[02:32] <osiris_22> ok
[02:32] <osiris_22> lmao
[02:32] <mike998> ahhh fester if you had been here earlier
[02:32] <osiris_22> fester
[02:32] <fester> yo
[02:32] <osiris_22> gtk-gntulla
[02:32] <osiris_22> or what ever
[02:33] <osiris_22> joing that channel
[02:33] <osiris_22> they will help you in there
[02:33] <mike998> try searching for gtk-gnutella in your synaptic
[02:33] <osiris_22> nah mike
[02:33] <mike998> ??
[02:33] <osiris_22> that verson isnt ready for use
[02:33] <osiris_22> he needs to go tot he site and dl it
[02:33] <mike998> oh
[02:33] <osiris_22> they will help him in #gtk-gnutella
[02:33] <mike998> not a worry
[02:33] <tom__> how do i print to a printer on another pc?
[02:33] <osiris_22> hes my friend lmao
[02:33] <osiris_22> i was just on the phone with him
[02:33] <osiris_22> lol
[02:34] <osiris_22> we are both frustrated
[02:34] <osiris_22> so we dicided to get off the phone lmao
[02:34] <xenonite> tom__: is the other a gnu/linux pc?
[02:34] <mike998> well, I used to try FreeBSD and would have re-formatted by now
[02:34] <tom__> xenonite yes
[02:34] <mike998> I have this feeling that Ubuntu may be the distro for me
[02:34] <tom__> its another ubuntu pc
[02:34] <fester> same her ubuntu i like
[02:34] <xenonite> tom__: so you have cups there, right?
[02:34] <osiris_22> this linux distro is handleable
[02:34] <osiris_22> lol
[02:34] <fester> aloy
[02:34] <osiris_22> i like it too
[02:35] <tom__> xenonite i can see the printer using the bropwser
[02:35] <tom__> browser
[02:35] <tom__> but my apps are ignorant of it
[02:35] <mike998> I'm a bit of a distro whore...  I've tried them all and got badly burned with a few... This is the first one I haven't hated totally
[02:35] <xenonite> oha
[02:35] <xenonite> tom__: so try to add it with the gnome printer manager
[02:36] <tom__> xenoite i thought cups took care of that
[02:36] <xenonite> did you add it?
[02:36] <tom__> i will now ... brb
[02:36] <xenonite> mom
[02:36] <xenonite> the address is a bit tricky
[02:37] <tom__> ah yes it is ....
[02:37] <xenonite> type `` ipp://remotepc/printers/LaserJet4 '' for example
[02:37] <xenonite> that worked for me
[02:38] <tom__> is the remotepc its host name? or do i just use "remotepc?
[02:38] <fester> osiris_22: join the dv
[02:38] <xenonite> insert the hostname
[02:39] <tom__> and do i then have to configure the prinetr fully as well on this pc?
[02:39] <xenonite> yes
[02:39] <xenonite> the printer driver etc
[02:40] <xenonite> and insert the name of the printer instead of LaserJet4
[02:40] <osiris_22> i will in a moment
[02:40] <mike998> can someone refresh my memory on how I can allow multiple apps access /dev/dsp ?
[02:41] <psyklops> hm, I want to know that too...
[02:41] <psyklops> I tried to use alsa and got it so at least xmms and mplayer can play sound at the same time
[02:41] <psyklops> but most everything else can't
[02:42] <mike998> If I remember rightly you create a /dev/dsp.x and link /dev/dsp to it... something along those lines
[02:42] <mike998> I think there may be something useful in the FreeBSD docs
[02:43] <tom__> oh strewth gnome cups manager aborted
[02:43] <xenonite> hmm...
[02:43] <psyklops> I need a good video editor, I thought virtualdub had a linux version, but I can't seem to find it
[02:43] <mike998> crap - it involves virtual channels
[02:44] <psyklops> and kmenc won't install in ubuntu because of kde and qt libs
[02:44] <osiris_22> hey how do you spell that guntella word
[02:44] <osiris_22> lol
[02:44] <mike998> doesn't work
[02:45] <mike998> osiris_22: GNU Gnu's Not Unix
[02:45] <xenonite> psyklops: you can install the libs
[02:45] <osiris_22> what are you talken about mike
[02:45] <psyklops> xenonite, I have UBUNTU versions of them...
[02:45] <FTTP> all of this groklaw stuff.... the truth is........... everything should be opensource :P
[02:45] <psyklops> it wants other ones
[02:45] <FTTP> computing shouldnt be about moola
[02:45] <FTTP> all these legal arguments are pathetic
[02:46] <cat_jesus> Well it should *only* be about moola
[02:46] <FTTP> there is only one which counts, us!
[02:46] <psyklops>   Depends: kdelibs4 but 4:3.2.3-2ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:46] <psyklops>   Depends: libqt3c102-mt but 3:3.2.3-4ubuntu1 is to be installed
[02:46] <FTTP> cat:  We get fucked no matter what usually
[02:46] <xenonite> ok i dont know
[02:47] <FTTP> cat:  Nothing wrong with a paycheck......... but when a CEO makes millions theres a BIG PROBLEM
[02:47] <FTTP> cat:  ceos should make a few hundred k max
[02:47] (sladen/#ubuntu) madsen: I tried a chroot install.  I failed and just booted the CD in qmeu instead :)
[02:47] <FTTP> the billion dollar payoffs is rediculous
[02:47] <FTTP> its all about big moola
[02:47] <mike998> FTTP: I agree
[02:47] <cat_jesus> indeed, especially when a CEO takes millions n bonuses and lays people off
[02:47] (sladen/#ubuntu) madsen: Debian debootstrap has the necessary patches
[02:47] <psyklops> the solution is either to go install the outsider libs (probably a good reason ubuntu has its own versions, something might break) or find some other video editor
[02:47] <FTTP> mike998:  YOu know david neeleman of jetblue?  only takes 200k a year
[02:47] <mike998> FTTP: happened at my company this week... bastards
[02:47] <FTTP> mike998:  And his airline makes millions
[02:48] <FTTP> mike998:  its 200k or 300k
[02:48] <FTTP> i forget which
[02:48] <FTTP> he still drives an old car , blah blah
[02:48] <FTTP> just like the rest of us
[02:48] <mike998> FTTP: best boss in the world I would liek to work for is Richard Branson back in the 90s
[02:48] <cat_jesus> The thng that really gets me is the importaton of cheap T labor because
[02:48] <FTTP> mike998: Branson:  ROFL
[02:48] <mike998> he's turned into a bit of an arse right now
[02:48] <FTTP> yah
[02:48] <cat_jesus> IT labor because "we can't find programmers here"
[02:48] <FTTP> mike998:  You watch his tv show?
[02:49] <FTTP> i saw his one episode
[02:49] <FTTP> lame
[02:49] <mike998> hell no
[02:49] (sladen/#ubuntu) mike998: *cough*, there are other good, equally rich bosses to work for...
[02:49] <mike998> he used to know ALL the names of his employees
[02:49] <FTTP> mike998:  So?
[02:49] <psyklops> no one knows of any video editing software besides virtualdub and kmenc?
[02:49] <FTTP> i know tons of people like that
[02:49] <nevyn> psyklops: cinerella
[02:49] <FTTP> remembering names is no big deal
[02:49] <psyklops> woo!
[02:49] <mike998> they tested him one time and he could name and tell you about all his employees...
[02:50] <mike998> FTTP: he knew his employees
[02:50] <mike998> now...
[02:50] <mike998> pfft
[02:50] <nevyn> psyklops: it's pretty cool but it's not that exciting.
[02:50] <FTTP> mike998:  i get your point tho.... many ceos dont give a shit and only know their chief of staff
[02:50] <FTTP> err
[02:50] <FTTP> in business your cfo, coo, etc...
[02:50] <FTTP> mike998:  It means he pays attention to what his employees are doing
[02:50] <FTTP> which is good
[02:51] <FTTP> but some use that for their own advantage too
[02:51] <mike998> FTTP: how very true...  I have worked at the same company for 6 years.. the past 4 I haven't had a pay rise.  Despite that I have an ex wife, a new kid and a girlfriend to look after on ONE wage....
[02:51] <cat_jesus> FTTP: remembering names is a big deal for me-- faces are super easy though
[02:51] <riffic> hello, anyone know why when nautilus launches, it hard locks my system?
[02:51] <mike998> FTTP: yes.  they do use that for their own advantage
[02:51] <riffic> hoary, btw
[02:51] <FTTP> mike998:  I dont know your boss so i cant judge
[02:51] <FTTP> mike998:  But thats humans for you
[02:51] <mike998> I'm the same as cat_jesus
[02:53] <cat_jesus> I ran into someone a few years ago that I definitely recognized...I started talking to her and finally we realized that we worked in the same company 5 years prior. I had seen her in the halls but never met her.
[02:53] <mike998> I tend to be very friendly and everyone knows at least OF me
[02:54] <tom__> xenonite dang every time i go to add the printer i get the gnome cups aborting and when i restart it the app can see the printer but nothing happens
[02:54] <Talliesin> Quick noob question I didn't see answered in the FAQ. I'm a windows guy about a fifth of the way into downloading the ubuntu distribution. Is this a good place to lurk and pick stuff up by osmosis, or should I be elsewhere?
[02:54] <mike998> Talliesin: stay here!  I am learning lots
[02:54] <tom__> agrees
[02:54] <Talliesin> :)
[02:55] (sladen/#ubuntu) riffic: I don't know.  Are you able to describe anything else?
[02:56] <riffic> sladen: it hard locks
[02:56] <riffic> when gnome loads
[02:56] <riffic> and when i launch nautilus from xfce, same thing
[02:56] <riffic> so I assume nautilus is doing something nauty
[02:56] <xenonite> tom__: hm i didn't get that problem... sry
[02:56] <riffic> also, hoary.
[02:56] <riffic> it started after a apt-get update/upgrade yesterday
[02:57] <riffic> i'm too scared to try it again tonight.
[02:57] <riffic> i dont like hard resets
[02:57] <tom__> xenonite do you happen to have a router running dhcp there?
[02:57] <psyklops> cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:57] <psyklops> :(
[02:57] <xenonite> tom__: yes
[02:57] <riffic> anyways if I knew how to get some sort of usefull feedback to you in the form of an error log or something I'd love to
[02:58] <xenonite> tom__: i don't think that matters
[02:58] <tom__> so maybe its the way i have that set up maybe
[02:58] <riffic> but all I know is it locks and my mouse and keyboard lock
[02:58] <psyklops> just installed xlibs-static-dev to be sure too
[02:58] <riffic> and i cant do anything other than reset the system
[02:59] <xenonite> tom__: i go to bed now, it is 3am here
[02:59] <tom__> xenonite what network setup do you have
[02:59] <tom__> xenonite oops sorry ok ... ty fir the help
[02:59] <xenonite> tom__: no problem... but its too late for good results ^^
[02:59] <tom__> hehhehe
[02:59] <xenonite> yca
[02:59] <xenonite> cya
[02:59] <tom__> bye
[03:00] <FTTP> i think open source is the true winner of all the legal suits
[03:00] <FTTP> all the code will be opened up :P
[03:00] <madsen> Hmm, can one get a list of vars available in xtemplates?
[03:01] <FTTP> hey its all opensource code, all GPL
[03:01] <FTTP> you all lose, we win
[03:01] <cat_jesus> I'm kind of surprised that terminal server client was included in the default distro
[03:01] <FTTP> cat:  Why?? microsoft has it too
[03:01] <FTTP> cat: They have their own equivalent in xp pro
[03:01] <psyklops> can anyone help me with my cinelerra problems?
[03:01] <cat_jesus> I'm glad it's there, it just seems a tad out of place
[03:01] <psyklops> I copied the error above
[03:02] <nevyn> psyklops: how did you install it?
[03:02] <FTTP> cat:  No its not..... consider ubuntu on par with xp pro but BETTER and linux based :)
[03:02] <Meshistopheles> another freeze bug,  desktop does not respond only mouse does.  Tried ssh'ing in, no go.  Tried crtl-alt-del, no go.  What to do?
[03:02] <psyklops> I got an rpm, converted with alien, and installed with dpkg
[03:02] <cat_jesus> But really how many XP users would use terminal services?
[03:02] <nevyn> FTTP: all linux distro's I've seen lack features in XP pro.
[03:02] <FTTP> heh
[03:02] <FTTP> cat:  Oh wait thats not xserver?
[03:02] <FTTP> cat:  Its for regular terminals?
[03:03] <nevyn> cat_jesus: lots. its on the start menu.. descuised as help and support
[03:03] <FTTP> i was thinking of the feature in xp pro for remote logins
[03:03] <cat_jesus> It's does VNC, I just checked it out
[03:03] <FTTP> cat:  VNC?
[03:03] <nevyn> cat_jesus: it also does rdesktop
[03:03] <FTTP> cat:  What does the terminal server do exactly?
[03:03] <FTTP> ill check it out myself
[03:03] <cat_jesus> yes VNC allows you to have a virtual session on another linux machine
[03:03] <FTTP> oh
[03:03] <FTTP> so i could be on an xterminal from your computer?
[03:04] <nevyn> psyklops: there's the problem.
[03:04] <nevyn> go find a deb.
[03:04] <nevyn> psyklops: in fact there are a few apt source you can just add.
[03:04] <cat_jesus> I've been running Suse on most of the machines in my house and using the remote desktop that is included with that distro, it's VNC
[03:04] <nevyn> remove the deb you made with alien first.
[03:04] <FTTP> i see
[03:04] <FTTP> cat:  so its remote desktop, then thats on par with what xp pro has
[03:04] <psyklops> really... I haven't heard of them
[03:04] <nevyn> FTTP: it's not nearly as efficient.
[03:04] <FTTP> cat it should be in basic distros
[03:05] <FTTP> nevyn:  No im not saying which is better or anything
[03:05] <psyklops> removed
[03:05] <FTTP> lets leave msft vs linux out :P
[03:05] <FTTP> all im saying is its a similar type of app
[03:05] <cat_jesus> I just connected to my daughter's machine from this one using the terminal server client -- it worked on the first try
[03:05] <FTTP> cat:  In xserver?
[03:05] <nevyn> FTTP: similar functionality. yes.
[03:05] <FTTP> cat:  Or just text login?
[03:06] <cat_jesus> yes, her machine is running Suse at the moment .. she insisted
[03:06] <psyklops> so... where are those apt sources?
[03:06] <FTTP> oh
[03:06] <FTTP> cat:  For me its just me myself and I
[03:06] <FTTP> just one puter
[03:06] <FTTP> over cablemodem
[03:06] <FTTP> so yeah i would never use that feature
[03:06] <cat_jesus> It's weird having an 8 year old that insists on a linux machine
[03:06] <FTTP> cat:  no its not
[03:06] <psyklops> found one of my own
[03:06] <FTTP> cat:  It means she will grow up microsoft free
[03:07] <FTTP> cat:  If we had more kids like that, then microsofts dominance will be gone
[03:07] <FTTP> cat:  linux is better :)
[03:07] <nevyn> she'll get over it when she's a teenager..
[03:07] <cat_jesus> Well she does have a dual boot machine but she hasn't booted into win2k yet
[03:07] <FTTP> rofl
[03:07] <nevyn> and can't run the "fun thing" send by her friends.
[03:07] <FTTP> heh
[03:07] <FTTP> nevyn:  WINE!
[03:07] <cat_jesus> there's always wine
[03:07] <FTTP> yeah
[03:07] <Talliesin> Yes, you have to let them have the thing you want them to disapprove of.
[03:08] <Talliesin> Otherwise they'll just get into it as a rebellion thing.
[03:08] <FTTP> for me 1 computer is fine
[03:08] <FTTP> no need for 2
[03:08] <FTTP> for the enterprise, then yeah
[03:08] <cat_jesus> the biggest selling point... killing X with ctrl-alt-bkspace
[03:08] <FTTP> hehe
[03:08] <FTTP> cat:  Actually remote login is good for kids with machines
[03:09] <cat_jesus> "Wow! that reboots fast!"
[03:09] <Qo-noS> you know folks the thing I believed that consciously or sub-consciously it is a disdain for monopolies and monopolistic practices (e.g. by MS) that's driving hordes into the arms of Linux along with MS's dubious record on security
[03:09] <FTTP> u can watch what your child is doing without em knowing :)
[03:09] <FTTP> heh
[03:09] <nevyn> cat_jesus: to you or to her?
[03:09] <cat_jesus> she said that
[03:09] <nevyn> cat_jesus: why is that important/usefull?
[03:10] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Microsoft is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Sun is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> ibm is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> sco is evil
[03:10] <FTTP> linux is not evil!
[03:10] <cat_jesus> sometimes something gets a little buggy like an xmms plugin and it's best just ot kill X
[03:10] <Qo-noS> I'm sure most here in this and other channels are a little left-wing (maybe not in other areas) in that respect i.e. anti-monoploists all
[03:10] <FTTP> :)
[03:10] <FTTP> gpl is where its at
[03:10] <nevyn> hrm
[03:10] <riffic> crap another hard lock
[03:10] <riffic> =(
[03:10] <Qo-noS> Linux is a mass-based project ;)
[03:10] <FTTP> opensource benefits everyone
[03:10] <psyklops> nevyn... new problems
[03:10] <nevyn> FTTP: is SGI evil too?
[03:10] <nevyn> psyklops: shoot.
[03:10] <riffic> and i'm in xfce  i didn't even try to run nautilus
[03:10] <riffic> it just hard locked on its own
[03:10] <psyklops> cinelerra: Depends: libopenexr2 (>= 1.2.1) but it is not installable
[03:10] <FTTP> nevyn:  sgi has its own os right ?
[03:11] <psyklops> and apt-get.org doesn't have one for that...
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  then yes :P
[03:11] <nevyn> FTTP: they're hardly using it on new deployments.
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  well commercial is good cause it breeds progress
[03:11] <nevyn> FTTP: they're mostly using linux but they have proprietary stuff for linux (CXFS)
[03:11] <riffic> anyways i'm goona try nautilus and cross my fingers it doesn't lock my system up
[03:11] (erik/#ubuntu) hey, I just switched from debian sid to ubuntu hoary - they SEEM to have the same emacs but pclcvs in ubuntu is messed up:
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  i kinda agree in what david boies said about the balance thing
[03:11] (erik/#ubuntu) when you go to 'commit' something, and the $Id:$ updates in the file, it writes the change to disk but not to the buffer
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  Linux wont go away ever
[03:11] (erik/#ubuntu) so the buffer gets "modified on disk" status and is annoying
[03:11] <FTTP> nevyn:  Dont get me wrong
[03:12] <nevyn> FTTP: it might be replaced with the hurd or something better.
[03:12] <FTTP> nevyn:  But i think the balance is too much in microsofts court
[03:12] <psyklops> nevermind nevyn
[03:12] <FTTP> nevyn:  But if there was no capitalism, sun and sgi for example wouldnt be where they are
[03:12] <cat_jesus> "the tighter you squeeze the more systems slip through your fingers"
[03:12] <nevyn> psyklops: what was the solution?
[03:12] <nevyn> just out of interest..
[03:12] <FTTP> nevyn:  Sun used to be great.... but now due to cheaper components its not
[03:13] <psyklops> debian package that somehow wasn't in apt-get.org...
[03:13] <FTTP> i mean their competitors
[03:13] <FTTP> are beating em at price
[03:13] <nevyn> FTTP: solaris is ugly I mean seriously.
[03:13] <psyklops> or any repositories I have
[03:13] <FTTP> nevyn:  Sun was always used by engineers
[03:13] <FTTP> and the like
[03:13] <FTTP> nevyn:  It was never built for end consumers,,,, at colleges they had loads of em
[03:13] <cat_jesus> MVS is ugly too, if you are just looking at the interface
[03:13] <nevyn> FTTP: I know. but. they're slow and ugly. sparc is elegant no question..
[03:13] <nevyn> but it's ugly.
[03:13] <FTTP> nevyn:  The engineering labs had literally hundreds of em
[03:14] <FTTP> at suny buffalo for example
[03:14] <Qo-noS> FTTP: while I think the tide is beginning to turn in Free Software's/Open source's favor. strange things do happen and can be an aid e.g. it may just happened that the FSC finds some inapproriate financial practices in MS and hehe another Global Crossings, Enron dawns upon the world ;)
[03:14] <osiris_22> how do i ssh onto a server... im a network admin on an irc server.. and sometimes i need to ssh to add olines and such and like is there a putty for ubuntu or is there already a client built in?
[03:14] (xf_/#ubuntu) osiris_22: tried 'ssh' on the console?
[03:15] <FTTP> qo-nos:  The antitrust suit even tho it never broke up microsoft already worked cause it opened up the door for all these lawsuits now like SCO, IBM, novell, sun, etc........
[03:15] <mike998> ssh -l <loginname> <ipaddress>
[03:15] <huttan> something is wrong with my gnome after a basic install, sometines it wont load up after logging in, and now my gnome-control-center wont load
[03:15] <osiris_22> where do i find the console at is that the same as the termanl?
[03:15] <FTTP> qo-nos:  So microsoft wont be broken up, but they will be sued and continually sued
[03:15] <FTTP> qo-nos:  We are at a nexus now
[03:15] <mike998> osiris_22: console and terminal are usually interchangable terms
[03:15] <Talliesin> FTTP, of course one of those companies has also filed suit against one of the others about their Linux involvement.
[03:16] <nevyn> mike998: even tho they shouldn't be.
[03:16] <FTTP> talliesin:  You mean SCO ?
[03:16] <riffic> gah, nautilus still hard locks my system
[03:16] <Qo-noS> FTTP: maybe I'm inherently bad...not that I'm wishing misfortune befall the thousands of MS employees BUT Gates and his practices e.g. lies has to dealt with
[03:16] <huttan> anyone know what might be broke?
[03:16] <FTTP> qo-nos:  i agree
[03:17] <nevyn> console.. the physical manchine.. terminal (text mode user interface) virtual terminal (kernel terminal emulator (F1-F6)) x-terminal-emulator (konsole gterm etc.)
[03:17] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Microsoft will not be able to mopolize the next years and next os's
[03:17] <psyklops> whats with linux apps and opening many windows...
[03:17] <psyklops> gimp and cinelerra do the same thing
[03:17] <Talliesin> FTTP, yes (but it'll fall to pieces, unless it already has and I haven't heard about it).
[03:17] <Qo-noS> FTTP: :) This world has enough space for a multitude of OSes and opinions on doing things
[03:17] <psyklops> it kinda annoys me to have to use the other workspaces
[03:17] <FTTP> talliesin: i dont know the specifics on the sco case......
[03:18] <FTTP> talliesin:  we are definitely at a crossroads here tho........
[03:18] <Qo-noS> FTTP: it will take some time but the days of one dominant corporation dominating be it MS or IBM before is over
[03:18] <Talliesin> FTTP, they're claiming IBM introduced code to Linux that included SCO copyright and/or trade-secrets. The claim is dubious to say the elast.
[03:18] <FTTP> qo-nos:  yep...........
[03:19] <mike998> psykops: dunno if it helps, but I reduce my number of desktops and designate in my head labels for each desktop - one for work, one for browsing...one for nothing
[03:19] <Talliesin> Qo-noS, you mentioned left-wing views above.
[03:19] <FTTP> talliesin:  You mean like JFS?
[03:19] <FTTP> talliesin:  I think palmsource may go back into the business as well if the barrier to entry is cleared up :P
[03:19] <Talliesin> The funny thing is that when you look at it from a leftwing view you say "MS, screwer of the masses, die!" and from a truly free-market view you say "MS, screwed by linux - life's hard get a fucking helmet".
[03:20] <FTTP> talliesin:  Gassee's role has been raised over at palmsource
[03:20] <FTTP> i mean for OS For mainstream cpus
[03:20] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: I'm anti-monopolistc and a person who feels strongly the downtrdden should have the access to IT to prevent another kind of divide building up complementing the rich-poor divide. But I'm pretty right-wing in other aspects
[03:20] <psyklops> mike, the problem isn't that the other desktops exist, but that some software pretty much forces you to place it on a separate desktop
[03:20] <Talliesin> It's only protectionism disguised as free-market capitalism that defends MS.
[03:21] <mike998> psyklops: yeah... I hate the spatial Nautilus... that's one of the first things to get changed
[03:21] <psyklops> sometimes my desktop gets busy enough to warrant use of 3 desktops WITHOUT such apps
[03:21] <osiris_22> well thats not worken to well i need putty
[03:21] <FTTP> talliesin:  what we need is a global and free os so that consumers can freely communicate, freely exchange with each other, blah blah
[03:21] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: what FTTP said ;)
[03:21] <FTTP> talliesin:  Multiple distributions fine :)
[03:21] <Talliesin> (Of course that's a general left-wing argument against much of modern capitalism, which probably brings us deeper into big-P Politics than we should go :)
[03:21] <mike998> osiris_22: what's up?
[03:22] <FTTP> talliesin:  Noone should control our information ie mass media style
[03:22] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: but politics and ideology is what drove RMS and many in Free software/Open Source i.e. users and devels alike
[03:22] <osiris_22> see it accepts my password if i use putty on windows
[03:22] <mike998> okay... and on linux?
[03:22] <osiris_22> but if i ssh using the termanal it wont take my password
[03:23] <FTTP> talliesin:  right now microsoft means the balance of power is in the court of corporations
[03:23] <Talliesin> It's also what stagnated them.
[03:23] <osiris_22> ill have to ask my boss about it
[03:23] <Talliesin> "Open Source" was better able to appeal to a range of wider ideologies than "Free Software".
[03:24] <FTTP> talliesin:  microsoft internet explorer still uses html which is completely free although they use their own implementation over certain features and the like forcing you sometimes into internet explorer
[03:24] <FTTP> talliesin:  if it wasnt for html which is free, we would have to pay to use it :P
[03:24] <riffic> would anyone help me figure out why nautilus is hardlocking my system and how to fix please?
[03:24] <Qo-noS> Talliesin: it is not a stagnating influence but can be interpreted in various ways. Some of the interpretations of RMS ideals found a home in Linux or in RMS's view GNU/Linux and GNU/Linux is emerging as a threat like no other MS has encountered i.e. Linux cannot be bought over
[03:24] <FTTP> is HTML an opensource concept?:
[03:25] <FTTP> or someone owns the copywrite/patent on it?
[03:25] <riffic> no but it's an open standard
[03:25] <FTTP> riffic right but who owns the license/patent?
[03:25] <Talliesin> HTML is an open standard concept.
[03:25] <FTTP> i mean where did it come from
[03:25] <riffic> its not licensed/patented
[03:25] <FTTP> who developed it :P
[03:25] <Qo-noS> FTTP: I believe it is a standard of sort
[03:25] <riffic> it came from the w3
[03:25] <FTTP> ahhh
[03:25] <FTTP> w3 with mozilla too right?
[03:25] <FTTP> err i mean mosaic
[03:25] <FTTP> was w3 mosaic?
[03:26] <Talliesin> No license, no patent. The W3C owns a trademark and technically could sue someone who claimed to be implementing it if they weren't.
[03:26] <crschmidt> mosaic came from NCSA. Specifically, UIUC.
[03:26] (jdub/#ubuntu) ycco: yeah
[03:26] <crschmidt> I think.
[03:26] <FTTP> oh
[03:26] <crschmidt> (At least, that was our claim to fame when I was there.)
[03:26] <riffic> In October 1994, Tim Berners-Lee, inventor of the Web, founded the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Laboratory for Computer Science [MIT/LCS]  in collaboration with CERN, where the Web originated, with support from DARPA and the European Commission. For further information on the joint initiative and the contributions of CERN, INRIA, and MIT, please see the statement on the joint World Wide We
[03:26] <riffic> b Initiative
[03:26] <afshin> has anyone had experince setting up a WUSB11 wireless card?
[03:27] <afshin> under ubuntu that is
[03:27] <FTTP> riffic right and that was a global standad
[03:27] <riffic> mosaic was a closed source browser that implemented the open standard of html
[03:27] <Talliesin> FTTP, nope, mosaic was only ever an implementation. "Ownership" goes TimBL (private project), CERN (TimBL was full-time employee), IETF, W3C.
[03:27] <afshin> is this the "support" channel?
[03:27] <riffic> but it was freeware
[03:27] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: yes
[03:27] <riffic> just licensed under ncsa's terms
[03:27] (jdub/#ubuntu) guys, please take the off-topic stuff elsewhere
[03:27] <FTTP> hehe
[03:27] <FTTP> sorry jbud
[03:27] <FTTP> err jdub
[03:27] <riffic> and non-free license, if you go with rms's idea of 'freedom'
[03:27] <Talliesin> IETF with 2.0, W3C with 3.2 up.
[03:27] <riffic> anyways, someone help me fix my gnome plz
[03:28] <FTTP> yeah i hear ya
[03:28] <FTTP> tallisein + riffic #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:28] <Talliesin> Well, to bring it back to the topic.
[03:28] <afshin> if anyone can help me with my wireless woes please message me, or setup a chat
[03:28] <Qo-noS> riffic: freeware is not the equivalent of FREE as in e.g. RMS or Debian definition ;) provision of source code is necessary
[03:28] <riffic> i know that
[03:28] <riffic> anyways, i joined because my nautilus locks up
[03:28] <FTTP> all who want to continue this discussion #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:29] <riffic> not to nit pick on the finer merits of the word freedom
[03:29] <Qo-noS> FTTP: okie in a while...snack time ;)
[03:29] <FTTP> ok
[03:29] <FTTP> anyways
[03:29] <cat_jesus> FTTP: as the general public becomes more technically saavy they will demand that the government use open source, this will hurt proprietary vendors dramatically
[03:29] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: take it elsewhere please
[03:29] <cat_jesus> The US government is Microsoft's largest customer
[03:30] <cat_jesus> sorry
[03:30] <Talliesin> Open standards are related to open source (which is how we got there) in that open source developers (like those for ubuntu, see how deftly I sail back on-topic) can use as a solid measuring stick for their work and as for interfacing between components. But the same would also apply in a situation of rival closed-source developers, as long as there wasn't a single dominant player.
[03:30] (jdub/#ubuntu) Talliesin: dude, come on
[03:30] <FTTP> talliesin:  #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:30] <FTTP> join there
[03:31] <osiris_22> is there scripts for xchat?
[03:31] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: it doesn't matter where it goes, it's just off-topic.
[03:32] <cat_jesus> Oh my god! Offf TOPIC!!!!
[03:32] <cat_jesus> burn them!
[03:32] <Rene_S> No new memo's :(
[03:33] <afshin> so is there anyone here who can help out with wireless?
[03:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: when off-topic conversations get out of hand, it's better to ask people to take them elsewhere, otherwise no one else will be heard.
[03:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: just ask your question please, don't ask to ask
[03:33] <cat_jesus> jdub, you point out the violators and I'll burn them at the stake
[03:33] <cat_jesus> We need to be extra vigilant
[03:34] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: cool it
[03:34] <cat_jesus> Of course we don't want to get off topic by pointing out that other are off topic, that would be .. well off topic
[03:34] <afshin> I have a WUSB11 v2.5 USB wireless card and when I plug it in the prism2_usb module is automatically laoded, however when I used iwconfig it says wlan0 has "no wireless extentions"
[03:34] <afshin> has anyone seen this before?
[03:35] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: is there another interface available?
[03:35] <riffic> so would anyone here have any idea how i could go about finding out why nautilus is locking my system
[03:36] <Rene_S> try running it in a terminal window
[03:36] <afshin> i'm not sure
[03:36] <Rene_S> maybe it might generate some messages
[03:36] <riffic> it screams something about locales not being supported in xlib or something
[03:36] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: what is the output of just 'iwconfig'?
[03:36] <cat_jesus> I don't see a package manager... is there one?
[03:36] <riffic> but I dont want to try it again to get the exact message because it will lock up again
[03:36] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:~ $ iwconfig
[03:36] <afshin> lo        no wireless extensions.
[03:36] <afshin> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[03:36] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: computer > system configuration > synaptic
[03:36] <afshin> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[03:36] <riffic> and i'm getting tired of hitting the reset button
[03:37] <afshin> wlan0     no wireless extensions.
[03:37] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:~ $
[03:37] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: hrm, not sure.
[03:37] <cat_jesus> ah
[03:37] <afshin> yes strange, i might try using ndiswrapper?
[03:37] <afshin> or you have any better ideas?
[03:37] <Rene_S> hmm, odd I am not sure what that error would mean. maybe jdub might
[03:37] (jdub/#ubuntu) afshin: perhaps. i've never tried it myself. :)
[03:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: the xlibs stuff is unrelated
[03:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: why do you think it's nautilus?
[03:38] <riffic> because when I try launching nautilus from xfce it locks up
[03:38] <cat_jesus> Should I let someone know that the live CD didn't work for my laptop?
[03:38] <riffic> and gnome locks up when it reaches that point where nautilus comes up
[03:38] (jdub/#ubuntu) can you move your mouse, or switch to a console?
[03:39] <riffic> it could be something else
[03:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) cat_jesus: mail ubuntu-users
[03:39] <bigtony> question: if you do a ./configure  then make then make install on say proftpd   how in the heck do you uninstall it?
[03:39] <riffic> no, the cursor and keyboard lock
[03:39] <riffic> i can't alt-ctrl-f1
[03:39] <f00f> fixed the firefox problem
[03:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: you delete it from whereever it was installed. why did you build it?
[03:39] <f00f> :)
[03:39] <riffic> or alt-ctrl-backspace either
[03:39] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: can you ping the machine?
[03:39] <bigtony> maybe cause i don't know what i'm doing :)
[03:39] <riffic> haven't tried that but my other computer is in my car
[03:40] <riffic> and i dont really feel like setting it up =(
[03:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: you should install packages instead of building from source whenever possible
[03:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: and you're better off using supported packages (such as vsftpd)
[03:40] <bigtony> ok i'll make a note of that
[03:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: it simple enought to do both w/ checkinstall
[03:40] <riffic> if it's pingable vs not, what would that mean?
[03:40] <riffic> some sort of kernel lock?
[03:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[03:40] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: that X is locked
[03:40] <bigtony> ok thanks
[03:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) riffic: you might be able to ssh in or something
[03:41] <riffic> okay i'll get my laptop
[03:41] <bigtony> and vsftpd is a better daemon?
[03:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) X might be sitting there pulling 100% cpu
[03:41] <riffic> i didn't install sshd yet
[03:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) bigtony: yes, that's why we chose to support it :)
[03:41] <bigtony> very good (i'm still new so don't beat me up to bad yet :) )
[03:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jdub: what about pure-ftpd?
[03:43] <tom__> triffic it sounds like a font issue
[03:43] <madsen> Hmm, can one set a bandwidth limit on apt-get? I never found out in Debian and I can't find out now. :(
[03:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: try trickle
[03:44] <madsen> GammaRay: trickle?
[03:44] <Rene_S> coochicoo
[03:44] <Rene_S> hehe i cant read i thought he said tickle
[03:45] <riffic> tom__: elaborate
[03:45] <madsen> Isn't there some way of just passing apt-get a parameter or something?
[03:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: Trickle is a voluntary, cooperative bandwidth shaper. it works entirely in userland and is very easy to use.
[03:46] <madsen> GammaRay: Interesting... Tell me more... :)
[03:46] <tom__> riffic i have just been googling your problem ....
[03:46] <bigtony> jdub: you and gamma thanks for the help gonna install that ftp you recommended
[03:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I didn't really help.. I just bemused a little
[03:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: trickle -d 25 apt-get install trickle
[03:47] <PorscheBoy> anyone in here using the latest nvidia driver(6629)?
[03:47] <madsen> GammaRay: I have no trickle... :(
[03:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: that would limit apt-get to 25KB per sec
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: it's in universe
[03:48] <madsen> GammaRay: apt-cache search trickle gives nothing. :( I'm probably not in universe.
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Section: universe/net
[03:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) here
[03:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: I misread you..
[03:49] <madsen> GammaRay: Oh, just found the two lines to uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list :)
[03:50] <madsen> GammaRay: Installing trickle now. :)
[03:50] <agwibowo> hello
[03:50] <tom__> triffic i have not seen your problem before but you may want to start here.... http://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/locale/
[03:50] <agwibowo> does anyone know... why mplayer does not give me full screen video....
[03:50] <riffic> okay i'm going to run nautilus, then try the ping/ssh thing
[03:51] <agwibowo> although i used full screen.. it is still a little box on the middle of the screen
[03:51] <riffic> well i'll read that first
[03:51] <zenwhen> do you ahve ssh-server installed?
[03:52] <riffic> just installed it whoa zenwhen
[03:52] <zenwhen> hi there
[03:53] <riffic> x_Q
[03:54] <riffic> okay , running nautilus. bye
[03:55] <zenwhen> oh you ungrateful cad
[03:55] <zenwhen> >:(
[03:58] <Meshistopheles> spent a few hours writing on bugs, to only have my system freeze.  That's it, its the last kernel panic for me.  You guys shoudl rethink your ppc support.  I mean warty is supposed to be stable.  te ppc defintely is NOT.  I hate to say it but jaguar been incredible more stable.  I've had to do more hard reboots with ubuntu-ppc in the last 2 days than I have with jaguar and panther in what 3 yrs?
[03:59] <stuNNed> so if i have a p4 with hyperthreading support should i be running an smp kernel?
[04:00] <tvon|x31> I've only heard good things about Ubuntu PPC support...till now of course
[04:00] <regeya> hm.
[04:00] (scopecrp/#ubuntu) stuNNed yep
[04:00] <regeya> hrm.
[04:01] <regeya> says bad things, then immediately leaves.
[04:01] <regeya> I've run warty on PPC, though it was a Gigabit Ethernet G4, not brand-new iron.  I found it to be as solid as the x86 release.
[04:01] <regeya> and as easy to install as the x86 release, happily enough.
[04:02] <WW> Hello world.
[04:02] <riffic> no ping/no ssh
[04:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) odd that he should leave a minute after he says that
[04:04] <riffic> ?
[04:04] <Electroglas> I am having trouble with a game port on an SB16 PCI. jstest does not see the device. I believe MAKEDEV may need to be performed due to an error on boot that states this must be done first. I do not know how to run MAKEDEV. Any suggestions?
[04:04] <agwibowo> helllooooo
[04:04] <agwibowo> anyone can help me
[04:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) or maybe typical of someone who does not have their facts straight
[04:04] <agwibowo> mplayer does not give me fullscreen....
[04:04] <agwibowo> only little box in the middle of the screen
[04:06] <adoyretsamon> agwibowo, did you try using the "F" key?
[04:07] <ycco> jdub: hey bud... it's me "occy" ;)   could you msg me your email.  I have an idea I want to send you.
[04:07] <WW> agwibowo: I had the same problem.  I was told to use the -vo option, something like "mplayer -vo x11", but I never got around to actually trying it myself.  I've been using ogle for videos.
[04:08] <paper> anyone feel like helping try to get my usb Logitech Quikcam  found?
[04:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: mplayer -vo help
[04:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: try another output driver
[04:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) x11 does not streach here either
[04:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stretch
[04:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maybe your video card does not support xv, so it's using x11
[04:10] <zenwhen> Oh
[04:10] <zenwhen> Mplaye doesnt stretch for me either
[04:10] <zenwhen> without the gui
[04:10] <zenwhen> So I just use gmplayer. With the industrial theme, it looks quite nice.
[04:11] <ycco> jdub: nm, I googled.
[04:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) zenwhen: when video driver do you have it set to?
[04:11] <adoyretsamon> ycco, hey man
[04:11] <adoyretsamon> nomasteryoda here
[04:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) -when +what
[04:11] <zenwhen> xv
[04:11] <zenwhen> I use xv
[04:12] <riffic> jdub: it locked again, ping didn't respond and neither did ssh
[04:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) zenwhen: what happens if you do mplayer -vo xv ?
[04:12] <stuNNed> mplayer -vo sdl scales here
[04:12] <adoyretsamon> ycco - MGALUG
[04:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I noticed that as well.. was the first I tried
[04:13] <WW> Has anybody used the Sound Recorder app in Applications->Multimedia?
[04:14] <madsen> WW: It sucks... Bad!
[04:14] <WW> I'm trying to test this new microphone, but it is not working.
[04:14] <zenwhen> works fine then
[04:14] <zenwhen> thanks
[04:14] <madsen> WW: use `rec` instead.
[04:14] <madsen> WW: ... in a terminal.
[04:14] <tom__> riffic did u fix your nautilus prob?
[04:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure who I'm helping anymore
[04:14] <ycco> adoyretsamon: heh, hey
[04:15] <afshin> so I tried using ndiswrapper to solve my wireless problems, but when I do modprobe I get an error that says "Operation not permitted"
[04:15] <adoyretsamon> cool
[04:15] <WW> madsen: I'll give it a shot...
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) maybe x11 is just plain the default on ubuntu...
[04:15] <riffic> tom__: no it still locks
[04:15] <adoyretsamon> afshin, sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:15] <PorscheBoy> ghgh
[04:15] <tom__> riffic try typing locale into a terminal window
[04:15] <afshin> hrm i'll give it a try
[04:15] <riffic> pastebin?
[04:16] <PorscheBoy> jj
[04:16] <afshin> ok so i don't get that error anymore, but dmesg says:
[04:16] <afshin> ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=yes)
[04:16] <afshin> ndiswrapper (check_coff_hdr:102): Alignment mismatch: secion: 0x1000, file: 0x200
[04:16] <afshin> ndiswrapper (load_driver:1829): Unable to prepare driver
[04:17] <tom__> riffic what did it say?
[04:17] <riffic> i cant copy and paste
[04:17] <riffic> =(
[04:17] <adoyretsamon> afshin, make sure version of windows inf file matches the hardware
[04:17] <riffic> okay one minute let me figure out how to copy with this stripped down dumb terminal
[04:19] <riffic> tom__: http://pastebin.com/121648
[04:19] <agwibowo> hmmm....
[04:19] <agwibowo> mplayer says that my computer supports MMX2 and SSE, but they are disabled.. how can i enable them?
[04:19] <WW> Do I have to change any settings to get a microphone to work?
[04:20] <afshin> well i'm trying to install the .inf file that came off of the cd
[04:20] <afshin> that was included with the hardware
[04:20] <afshin> I would assume that shoudl work
[04:20] <tom__> riffic i like this pastebin thing .... never seen it b4 :)
[04:20] <afshin> maybe I should look for another version online?
[04:21] <adoyretsamon> afshin, which card
[04:21] <tom__> riffic ok ... now we need to work out why nautilus does not like en_US.UTF-8
[04:21] <afshin> WUSB11 version 2.5
[04:21] <afshin> that's a linksys
[04:21] <adoyretsamon> ah
[04:21] <adoyretsamon> yea
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> let me look
[04:22] <afshin> thanks
[04:22] <zenwhen> I have a version 2.8
[04:22] <zenwhen> I wonder if its supported
[04:22] <zenwhen> ?:(
[04:22] <afshin> beats me
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> afshin,
[04:22] <afshin> i hear that 2.5 has native support
[04:22] <riffic> tom__: i'm not even sure if its a locale problem
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> in terminal
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> do a
[04:22] <riffic> it was working before I did a apt-get update/upgrade last night
[04:22] <adoyretsamon> dmesg | grep usb
[04:23] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver usbfs
[04:23] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver hub
[04:23] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 2
[04:23] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 0
[04:23] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 0
[04:23] <afshin> prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
[04:23] <afshin> prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
[04:23] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb
[04:23] <tom__> riffic no but its a reasonable line of enquiry given the error message u got
[04:23] <riffic> with hoary
[04:23] <afshin> i know it's loading the prism2usb drivers
[04:23] <afshin> however
[04:23] <afshin> when i do iwconfig
[04:23] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:23] <afshin> lo        no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <afshin> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <riffic> i've been running hoary for a couple weeks now, nothing major until now
[04:23] <afshin> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <afshin> wlan0     no wireless extensions.
[04:23] <afshin> so i wanted to try ndis maybe i'd have better luck
[04:23] <adoyretsamon> afshin, modprobe prism2usb ?
[04:24] <afshin> so the module is already loaded, when i do lsmod | grep prism:
[04:24] <afshin> prism2_usb             78948  0
[04:24] <afshin> p80211                 33904  1 prism2_usb
[04:24] <afshin> usbcore               119044  5 ndiswrapper,prism2_usb,uhci_hcd
[04:24] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:24] <afshin> it just doesn't register wlan0 as a wireless device?
[04:24] <afshin> if you know how to fix that it would be great
[04:24] <afshin> otherwise i could keep trying with ndis i guess
[04:25] <WW> In the OSS mixer in Volume Control, I've turned up the Microphone slider, and Rec is checked for it.  Is there anything I need to adjust in order to record?
[04:25] <adoyretsamon> alias wlan0 eth1 ?
[04:25] <agwibowo> how to enable the mmx2 and sse support in mplayer????
[04:26] <afshin> hrm, should i be seeing a eth1 device though?
[04:26] <adoyretsamon> if you alias it then maybe you can do
[04:26] <adoyretsamon> ifup eth1
[04:26] <afshin> oh i see
[04:26] <afshin> lemme try
[04:27] <afshin> where do i put "alias..."?
[04:28] <adoyretsamon> /etc/modules.conf - i'm on suse right now ... anyone here know excact loc.?
[04:28] <afshin> well there's /etc/modules.conf
[04:28] <afshin> i could try that
[04:29] <tom__> riffic does this give you any clues? ..... http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=76565
[04:29] <adoyretsamon> afshin, look at ubuntuforums too
[04:30] <riffic> tom I dont really think that is my issue
[04:31] <tom__> riffic ok ... sorry i cant help :(
[04:31] <riffic> i think x locking up when nautilus loads is my issue
[04:31] <WW> Argh.  I turned up everything in OSS mixer and ALSA mixer, but I'm still not getting any recording.
[04:31] <WW> What would be the simplest way to test a microphone?
[04:32] <afshin> adoyretsamon, which forums exactly
[04:32] <afshin> ?
[04:32] <adoyretsamon> i just search for that card
[04:32] <adoyretsamon> let me see
[04:33] <Solkaris> howdy all .. anyone know a way to force a install back to the baseline packages on the CD?
[04:33] <adoyretsamon> afshin, http://ubuntuforums.org/
[04:35] <tom__> riffic from googling it does appear though that locale inconsistencies with some programs can do exactly that
[04:35] <WW> Hey, made some progress!  I had to select "Rec" under "Volume" in the mixer. I can now record.  Terrible quality, but it recorded.
[04:35] <riffic> tom__: hrm, any idea how to fix?
[04:36] <riffic> maybe if I were to reinstall packages
[04:36] <riffic> or something
[04:36] <tom__> riffic not off the top of my head but its an interesting thing to try and work through
[04:36] <riffic> I followed the guide to unset my old iso locale and set the utf8 one
[04:36] <tom__> can or can't???
[04:36] <riffic> when i moved from warty to hoary
[04:36] <tom__> oops sorry wrong window
[04:37] <Solkaris> is there a way to reinstall the base packages from the cd without doing a complete reinstall of Ubuntu?
[04:37] <adoyretsamon> afshin, look at this too
[04:37] <adoyretsamon> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/157134
[04:37] <afshin> thanks
[04:38] <tom__> riffic hmmmm sounds suss then doesn;t it iof you have been making changes in this ballpark
[04:38] <blue_owl> can anyone tell me how to get .xinitrc or .xsession to be executed on login? I've had no luck with this.
[04:39] <afshin> adoyretsamon, hah, yeah i've read that one before, i think i've seen the majority of faq's on the subject
[04:39] <afshin> haven't seen one quite like my case though
[04:39] <adoyretsamon> lol
[04:39] <afshin> where the drivers are loaded
[04:39] <afshin> i see it in lsusb
[04:39] <adoyretsamon> i have a user who had same issue
[04:39] <adoyretsamon> he just bought another card
[04:40] <afshin> hah
[04:40] <adoyretsamon> but yours should work
[04:40] <afshin> yeah well hopefully i won't have to resort to that
[04:40] <afshin> you know of a distro that might have better support?
[04:40] <afshin> i've tried mandrake
[04:40] <afshin> ubuntu was a bit better though
[04:40] <adoyretsamon> if you have it this far
[04:40] <adoyretsamon> you are very close
[04:40] <afshin> yeah i feel close
[04:41] <afshin> i might try using the drivers from linksys site
[04:41] <adoyretsamon> afshin, i was going to say
[04:41] <afshin> even though they appear to be an older version of wglanctl
[04:41] <adoyretsamon> check the dmesg
[04:41] <tom__> riffic did you check out that earlier link i gave u on locale?
[04:41] <adoyretsamon> for the actual version you need
[04:41] <riffic> yeah
[04:42] <afshin> where will it state the version?
[04:42] <adoyretsamon> i have that problem with the Intel chip i'm using
[04:42] <adoyretsamon> as part of the ident string
[04:44] <afshin> adoyretsamon, i'm sorry, but what am I looking for exactly?
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> afshin, try this
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> # lsusb
[04:44] <afshin> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 066b:2212 Linksys, Inc. WUSB11v2.5 802.11b Adapter
[04:44] <afshin> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:000
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> yea
[04:44] <afshin> yeah i was pleased to see that
[04:44] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:45] <afshin> my confusion comes from, iwconfig:
[04:45] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:/etc/modutils $ iwconfig
[04:45] <afshin> lo        no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <afshin> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <afshin> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <afshin> wlan0     no wireless extensions.
[04:45] <adoyretsamon> what does lsmod show
[04:47] <s0cks> CD people need to ship every day. Not every 2 weeks :(
[04:47] <afshin> afshin@makaveli:/etc/modutils $ lsmod | grep usb
[04:47] <afshin> prism2_usb             78948  0
[04:47] <afshin> p80211                 33904  1 prism2_usb
[04:47] <afshin> usbcore               119044  5 ndiswrapper,prism2_usb,uhci_hcd
[04:48] <adoyretsamon> man if prism is loaded too
[04:48] <afshin> i know
[04:49] <afshin> what determines if something has wireless extensions or not?
[04:49] <afshin> maybe i should keep poking around with ndiswrapper?
[04:49] <afshin> although that might produce a conflict with the loaded prism module?
[04:49] <adoyretsamon> right
[04:49] <adoyretsamon> if the prism loaded by default
[04:49] <adoyretsamon> then it should work
[04:50] <afshin> yeah, that's my understanding
[04:50] <afshin> i've read thing about having to set some sort of flag
[04:50] <afshin> like "doreset =1 "
[04:50] <afshin> with this particular card
[04:50] <afshin> that is when i'm doing modprobe
[04:50] <afshin> modprobe prism2_usb prism2_doreset=1
[04:50] <afshin> to be exact
[04:51] <afshin> lemme try it real quick
[04:51] <afshin> i remember something not working with that
[04:51] <adoyretsamon> k
[04:51] <afshin> here's what i get from dmesg
[04:51] <afshin> prism2usb_init: prism2_usb.o: 0.2.1-pre21 Loaded
[04:51] <afshin> prism2usb_init: dev_info is: prism2_usb
[04:51] <afshin> hfa384x_corereset: hfa384x_corereset not supported on USB on 2.5/2.6 kernels.
[04:51] <afshin> usbcore: registered new driver prism2_usb
[04:52] <bigtony> question: to start vsftpd is it /etc/init.d/vsftpd and also after modifying the vsftpd.conf file how do you restart it? the howto i'm reading says use    /etc/init.d/xinetd restart but when i type that it says file or directory not found
[04:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: what about /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart?
[04:54] <bigtony> i thought i tried that lett me try again
[04:54] <afshin> aadoyretsamon, pparently the reset isn't supported
[04:54] <adoyretsamon> afshin, what happens if you unplug, plug
[04:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: xinetd is a controlling deamon for servers.. but it's a terrible idea for an ftp server becasue it starts a new copy for each user
[04:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm not sure of the exactly name
[04:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) exact name
[04:55] <afshin> from dmesg
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 2
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 3
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 3, error -71
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[04:55] <afshin> usb 1-1: device not accepting address 4, error -71
[04:55] <bigtony> when i type vsftpd restart i get can not open config file: restart
[04:55] <bigtony> best bet to just do killall -9 vsftpd and then type vsftpd again?
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hold off on the -9
[04:56] <afshin> i did it one more time
[04:56] <afshin> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 5
[04:56] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 1 but max is 0
[04:56] <afshin> usb 1-1: config 1 has no interface number 0
[04:56] <afshin> hfa384x_corereset: hfa384x_corereset not supported on USB on 2.5/2.6 kernels.
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) kill it normally
[04:56] <afshin> and now lsusb shows the device now
[04:56] <afshin> but iwconfig still makes me sad
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: tried sudo vsftpd restart?
[04:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm assuming you're in /etc/init.d
[04:57] <bigtony> i'm in root with sudo -s
[04:57] <bigtony> and yes to the dir
[04:57] <bigtony> and when i did killall vsftpd i get no process to be killed
[04:57] <adoyretsamon> afshin, look at this - it looks like it needs the amelwlandriver
[04:57] <adoyretsamon> http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/showdev.php?id=1218
[04:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: is it running? ps -fC vsftpd
[04:58] <afshin> that doesn't have to do with the amtel chip does it?
[04:58] <afshin> cuase i have prism
[04:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: if you started it w/ the script.. use ./vsftpd stop to stop it
[04:58] <riffic> would it have been a problem if I had both the utf and iso english locales selected when I did my dist-upgrade a few weeks ago?
[04:59] <riffic> and had the utf one as the default
[04:59] <afshin> adoyretsamon, so i have v.25
[04:59] <afshin> v2.5
[04:59] <riffic> would that be why stuff is locking me up now?
[04:59] <adoyretsamon> ok
[04:59] <bigtony> i didnt' run the script
[04:59] <bigtony> i just did a apt-get install on it
[04:59] <bigtony> and then setup the config file
[04:59] <bigtony> and ran vsftpd
[05:00] <bigtony> but when i look in the ps -fC vsftpd it shows its not running
[05:00] <WW> In the OSS mixer, why do I have to select Rec under "Volume" (and not under "Mic") to record something with the microphone?
[05:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) well you should try the script
[05:00] <bigtony> when i type vsftpd again it says 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket
[05:00] <bigtony> ok and the script is located where?
[05:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: /etc/init.d/
[05:01] <bigtony> oh i go it
[05:01] <bigtony> ./vstfpd start
[05:01] <afshin> adoyretsamon, btw thanks for your time
[05:01] <bigtony> typo but you get the idea :)
[05:02] <bigtony> funny thing is it doesn't list in ps
[05:02] <bigtony> it said started th ough :(
[05:02] <adoyretsamon> afshin, np
[05:02] <riffic> anyways is there a way to force apt-get to reinstall everything, even up to date stuff
[05:02] <riffic> i think that might make this go away
[05:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: is there a /var/run/vsftpd.pid?
[05:03] <bigtony> let me look
[05:04] <bigtony> there is a /var/run/vsftpd/vsftpd.pid
[05:05] <bigtony> i did a netstat -an appear to be listening on port 21
[05:05] <bigtony> i also set /etc/hosts.allow  and added vsftpd ALL to there is that correct?
[05:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure if vsftpd reads that
[05:06] <bigtony> ok
[05:06] <bigtony> i'm trying to connect to it now
[05:06] <bigtony> brb
[05:07] <WW> madsen: You weren't kidding. Sound Recorder is terrible!
[05:07] <bigtony> nope can't get in
[05:07] <bigtony> i set Local to Yes
[05:07] <bigtony> and took the annoymous and put a # on it
[05:08] <bigtony> thats all i did cause from my understanding with that i can ftp to it with my username and password for here
[05:08] <bigtony> and it will let me login to my home dir is that not right?
[05:10] <bigtony> dang i typed ftp 127.0.0.1 it connects ask me for user id and i typed bigtony and it said denied :(
[05:12] <afshin> adoyretsamon, if i want to uninstall the current prism driver and install the one provided by linksys
[05:12] <afshin> first of all would that be worth it, and second do you know how to remove the current prism drivers?
[05:13] <Rene_S> c:\I386\winnt.exe would fix that for sure :)
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> if they are just loaded
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> then doing rmmod prism2
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> will unload
[05:15] <adoyretsamon> just make sure they are not called in the /etc/modules.conf
[05:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I'm not totally sure whats up myself
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> what is the dpkg command to remove a package?
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> dpkg -rm ?
[05:16] <afshin> dpkg -r
[05:16] <afshin> i think
[05:16] <adoyretsamon> man dpkg
[05:17] <bigtony> glftpd appears to be connecting :( let me see whats up with that
[05:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: local_enable=YES
[05:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I had to uncomment that
[05:19] <adoyretsamon> will be back...rebooting due to kernel update
[05:20] <bigtony> i did its cause glftpd is running i tried it first befor vsftpd
[05:20] <bigtony> now i can't figure out how to uninstall this crap :(
[05:20] <bigtony> i hate being a noob
[05:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I also had to uncomment chroot_local_user=YES
[05:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: either by themselves do not seem to work
[05:23] <bigtony> ok
[05:23] <bigtony> well i'm having problems getting glftpd to stop running right now otherwise i could test that :(
[05:23] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) is that a server or a client?
[05:24] <binarydigit> server
[05:24] <bigtony> i ran sh install.sh on it
[05:24] <bigtony> and it setup the dir and all
[05:24] <bigtony> just don't know how to uninstall it
[05:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic.. well maybe you could msg me the contents of install.sh
[05:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I could probably figure it out
[05:40] <s0cks> Waiting for CDs sucks.
[05:44] <lemsx1> well, just finished upgrading from nvidia to radeon (ati)
[05:44] <lemsx1> flawlesss. worked like a charm
[05:44] <lemsx1> only drawback: aptitude purge nvidia-glx
[05:44] <lemsx1> and dpkg-divert for a libGL file
[05:47] <trickie> hey anyone know how i can get to the zope admin interface? in the /etc/zopectl/default.conf it says the zope server will listen on port 9673, but i can't see it in my browser
[05:47] <trickie> the log files only say that zope has started
[05:48] (bur[n] er/#ubuntu) nmap localhost ?
[05:51] <mojo> Are there any Debian package for Flash plugin which is built for Firefox?
[05:51] <lemsx1> and yo are sure that zope is running? do you have apache installed... etc...
[05:51] <trickie> yeah
[05:51] <lemsx1> flash-plugin-nonfree
[05:51] <trickie> lemsx1, i can see some zope processes
[05:51] <mojo> ok
[05:52] <lemsx1> trickie, netstat -na shows some ports listening... see if there is something that you know should belong to zope
[05:52] <lemsx1> trickie, or use: sudo lsof | grep -i zope (or whatever the name)
[05:54] <jmhodges> hey, im trying to use the ubuntu live cd to fix up some partitions
[05:55] <jmhodges> but its telling me that a) that it is unable to align properly and b) that the partitions im trying to delete are in use and could therefore "lead to corruption"
[05:55] <trickie> lemsx1, sudo lsof | grep -i zope is showing me zope related stuff... netstat -na isn't
[05:55] <lemsx1> jmhodges, did you fix your ati issues?
[05:55] <jmhodges> now.. ive used parted quite a bit before, and that seems to me that it means that the hd should be mounted.. but mount turns up nothing
[05:55] <jmhodges> lemsx1, oh yeah
[05:55] <lemsx1> trickie, does it show zope listening on some port?
[05:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: to make that more specific make that lsof -i
[05:55] <jmhodges> lemsx1, dpkg-reconfigure.. im a dunce sometimes heh
[05:56] <lemsx1> jmhodges, i just finished setting up mine and playing UT2003 and other 3d games... not bad
[05:56] <jmhodges> nice :D
[05:56] <jmhodges> ah, to hell with it..
[05:56] <jmhodges> ill use another disc
[05:56] <jmhodges> later
[05:57] <_scp> I am about to pull my hair out... I just installed Ubuntu, and I am trying to share a printer with an XP machine using CUPS
[05:57] <trickie> GammaRay, sudo lsof -i | grep -i zope gives me nothing
[05:57] <_scp> I have done this before, but it is not working for some reason
[05:58] <trickie> lemsx1, i can run zopectl start default to start my default instance, and i get no errors
[05:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: maybe just sudo lsof -i
[05:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) trickie: it should not be a whole lot
[05:58] <lemsx1> trickie, i have only use zope through apache before... i'm not sure how zope is supposed to "listen"
[05:58] <_scp> can anyone help?
[05:59] <lemsx1> trickie, you might need to read /usr/share/doc/zope/* more closely
[05:59] <trickie> lemsx1, ok
[05:59] <lemsx1> trickie, especially README.Debian :-D
[05:59] <trickie> GammaRay, thanks... doesn't look zope is actually listening
[05:59] <trickie> lemsx1, ok thanks
[06:03] <agwibowo> helloo
[06:03] <agwibowo> how to enable mmx2 and sse in ubuntu
[06:05] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: come again?
[06:05] <agwibowo> how to enable mmx2 and sse support for intel chip in ubuntu
[06:05] <lemsx1> bbl
[06:05] <agwibowo> coz i run mplayer, and it says that they are disabled
[06:05] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: uname -r
[06:06] <discord> is thier a package for the linux real player?
[06:06] <agwibowo> wait..
[06:07] <agwibowo> it says:  2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) discord: available via marillat's repository.
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) discord: well, the installer for realplayer.
[06:07] <discord> ok
[06:07] <discord> hmm
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: what cpu do you have?
[06:07] <discord> maybe i should download the installer from real networks
[06:07] <zenwhen> Thats where I got realplayer 10
[06:08] <agwibowo> intel pentium 3, 500 Mhz..
[06:08] <agwibowo> well. mplayer says that they are supported, but currently disabled (the MMX2 and SSE)
[06:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: sudo apt-get install linux-image-686
[06:09] <agwibowo> what's that going to do?
[06:09] <agwibowo> is it safe to do that?
[06:09] <agwibowo> is that kernel for my chip?
[06:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: that's a more optimized kernel for your cpu
[06:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) you should no longer get those mmx/sse warnings when running mplayer
[06:12] <agwibowo> ok.. thx..
[06:12] <agwibowo> why does ubuntu not do that by default? or did i download the wrong cd?
[06:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) agwibowo: because not every person who installs ubuntu has a 686-class cpu
[06:13] <agwibowo> which chips belong to the 686 class?
[06:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) pentium 2+
[06:14] <Talliesin> PII up
[06:14] <agwibowo> ah i see..
[06:15] <Talliesin> Because Pentium 1 would have been called 586 but you can't trademark numbers in most countries, so 286, 386, 486, *yoink*
[06:15] <aitrus> maybe a better question would be why doesn't the installer choose a kernel based on the processor in the machine
[06:15] <agwibowo> yes
[06:15] <agwibowo> why doesn't the installer choose the correct kernel..
[06:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) aitrus: then it becomes complicated
[06:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) some cpus don't implement certain instructions
[06:17] <aitrus> crimsun: as if installing a distro isn't complicated already =)
[06:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) better to stick with a kernel for the installer that is known to work
[06:17] <arun--> ok, i installed the package bittorrent, so i do i start usingit?
[06:22] <mockingbird> hello?
[06:31] <pepsi> how can i get xchat to open a new firefox window when i click a url?
[06:32] <pepsi> instead of using the popup menu
[06:32] <binarydigit> id like to know that as well
[06:35] <Hikaru79> For the fglrx-driver is there a line you have to use after the package is installed to enable it, like there is for the nvidia driver?
[06:36] <g445> rtyrty\
[06:39] <agwibowo> hmmmmm
[06:39] <agwibowo> i've installed linux-image-686
[06:39] <agwibowo> but it still says mmx and sse support are disabled
[06:40] <agwibowo> also, how do i know what clock speed is detected by linux?
[06:40] <agwibowo> coz i saw it says Intel Pentium Celeron 2 / Coppermine 3, and it says 155 Mhz.. but my computer is 500 Mhz!!
[06:41] (jdub/#ubuntu) agwibowo: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:41] <agwibowo> ok.. that's good
[06:41] <Synnerson> anyone know if there is a way to get ride of the Desktop directory?
[06:41] <agwibowo> relief me..
[06:43] (jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: you can delete it, but nautilus will most likely create it again. why do you want to delete it?
[06:43] <agwibowo> how do i know if the dma for my dvd is enabled ?
[06:45] (jdub/#ubuntu) run hdparm -i /dev/dvd (or whatever the device is)
[06:46] <agwibowo> ok thx!
[06:47] <Hikaru79> For the fglrx-driver is there a line you have to use after the package is installed to enable it, like there is for the nvidia driver?
[06:50] <agwibowo> hey thx to the person before who told me about 686 thingy.. i think everything is a little bit faster now...hehehe.. thx a lot
[06:52] (jdub/#ubuntu) Hikaru79: the binary driver howto on the website will help you with that
[06:52] <osiris_22> i gotta question
[06:52] <osiris_22> how do i access my floppys
[06:53] <Synnerson> jdub so I can just set my home to be my desktop .. find it easier with spatial .. easier to use for me
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: computer > disks > floppy
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: that'll mount it and open it
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: yeah, quite a few people like that
[06:53] <osiris_22> how do i access my ntfs partition
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) Synnerson: if you do that, the desktop dir won't be created
[06:53] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you have to mount it manuallu
[06:54] <osiris_22> how do i do that jdub?
[06:54] <Synnerson> ok Ill give it a quick try .. thanks jdub
[06:54] <Synnerson> well soon as my system is done updating
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: mount -t ntfs <device> <location>
[06:55] <osiris_22> lmao
[06:55] <osiris_22> how di i find out the location?
[06:55] (jdub/#ubuntu) you choose the location
[06:55] <osiris_22> so it would be like
[06:55] <osiris_22> mount -t ntfs hd0 desktop?
[06:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) no
[06:56] <osiris_22> ok
[06:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) device == /dev/hda3 or something
[06:56] (jdub/#ubuntu) location == /mnt or somewhere similar
[06:58] <osiris_22> it says it dont exist lmao
[06:58] (jdub/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you need to know which device
[06:59] <osiris_22> how do i go about doing that man?
[06:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) perhaps run cfdisk, see what devices your partitions are
[06:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) don't change anything
[06:59] (jdub/#ubuntu) press q to quit
[07:00] <osiris_22> its hda1
[07:00] <osiris_22> so how would i type it out?
[07:00] (jdub/#ubuntu) mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt
[07:01] <osiris_22> it says the folder contents cant be displayed
[07:02] <Hikaru79> Is there a line to check the full device name that your mouse is connected to
[07:02] <Hikaru79> ?
[07:03] <osiris_22> is there a reason why i cant view the contents?
[07:05] <Hikaru79> Anyone?
[07:05] <Hikaru79> Full device name to a mouse in ubuntu?
[07:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) /dev/input/mice ?
[07:09] <Hikaru79> mice or mouse0?
[07:09] <Hikaru79> They're both in there
[07:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the former, generally
[07:20] <riffic> gah, still having lock problems
[07:20] <riffic> any way to go from hoary to warty?
[07:21] <Rene_S> reinstall
[07:21] <Rene_S> only way i know for sure
[07:22] <osiris_22> how the hell do you install a damn window border
[07:22] <osiris_22> i installed it int he themes aread
[07:22] <osiris_22> area
[07:22] <osiris_22> and i cant find it
[07:22] <osiris_22> so how do i apply a window boarder
[07:22] <Rene_S> I ask my wife to do it she is more of an interior decorator
[07:22] <Rene_S> :)
[07:22] <riffic> i'm not reinstalling
[07:23] <osiris_22> so n one has the sligtest idea on how to change window decorations
[07:23] <osiris_22> and the task bar?
[07:25] <Rene_S> in the theme box is  a place called theme detaiks
[07:25] <Rene_S> details
[07:25] <Rene_S> that will let you choose borders
[07:26] <Rene_S> not sure how the taskbar works
[07:29] <imnes> Are there openoffice-ximian packages available for ubuntu?  Looks so much nicer than regular openoffice.  I know someone made them available for Dropline Gnome on Slackware.
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) warty x86 looks Ximianey
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) warty amd64 doesn't
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) as far as I've seen
[07:30] <imnes> ok
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) are you running amd64?
[07:30] <imnes> I had 64 I'm installing 32 right now.  Juggling 32 and 64 bit apps is no fun...
[07:30] (erik/#ubuntu) ah
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) really?  I don't seem to have a hard time with it
[07:31] <imnes> System is an opteron so I was trying some 64 bit distributions.
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) apt-get install ia32-libs
[07:31] <imnes> Some things I can't get working under 64.
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) like what?
[07:31] <Rene_S> riffic, you sure your nautilus is locked up and not just slow ?
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) I can run *doom 3* with it
[07:31] <imnes> Zend Studio, the installer won't run for me.
[07:31] (erik/#ubuntu) ah
[07:31] <imnes> yeah doom3 works for me
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) well tell me if you prefer ia32 ubuntu on your opteron after :p
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) the only REALLY ANNOYING thing about ubuntu so far has been a crash in firefox's form autocompletion
[07:32] <imnes> Also no plugins for the browser sucks.  But I installed the 32 bit version of the browser, and crossover office (which gave me all the plugins I needed), so that way I could have 64 bit totem and still have videos play in my 32 bit browser. Just a few apps I can't get going under 64 :(
[07:32] (erik/#ubuntu) hm
[07:32] <imnes> yeah I'll let you know.
[07:33] (erik/#ubuntu) I'm thinking about putting hoary on this amd64 to see if it has ximianized OOo
[07:33] (erik/#ubuntu) but I don't want to break it because my wife types papers on this machine
[07:34] <imnes> I think some of these programs will work under 64 bit just their InstallShield installer's don't run.  Maybe I can install them under 32 bit, make .tar.gz of them and then just untar them on the 64 bit system and run them...  I don't know.
[07:34] (erik/#ubuntu) there are installshield programs for linux?
[07:34] (erik/#ubuntu) O_o
[07:35] <imnes> yeah
[07:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) erik: you don't need that
[07:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) erik: there's the package manager..
[07:35] (erik/#ubuntu) I don't think I've installed software outside of apt-get or automake in like five years
[07:36] <imnes> Well some programs, doom3, crossover office, zend studio, myeclipse, have their own installers and no .deb packages (so far as I know).
[07:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: currently, 32-bit compatibility is not yet really working in ubuntu.. from what I've heard
[07:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: true, but I think that's a Bad thing, and those people should fix it
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) ah yeah, I ran loki-installer for doom3 heh
[07:36] <imnes> Treenaks: I figured so, it kinda sucks in fedora right now too.
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) what is zend studio?
[07:36] <imnes> it's a PHP ide.
[07:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: you mean "an alternative to vim" ?
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) heh
[07:36] (erik/#ubuntu) why do you need a whole IDE for php?
[07:36] <imnes> yeah
[07:37] <imnes> it's a fatter slower vim lol
[07:37] (erik/#ubuntu) emacs does php, hell, emacs will run php
[07:37] (erik/#ubuntu) actually that's not true, php is emacs's weakest point
[07:37] (erik/#ubuntu) it doesn't handle the php-code / html-code split very well
[07:38] <imnes> I'm pretty good in vim, but never got comfortable using emacs.
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) once you get deep into emacs you can't get back out again
[07:38] <imnes> hehe, is that a good thing?
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) I consider it good
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) it makes me hate everything else a lot more
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) like
[07:38] (erik/#ubuntu) EVERYTHING else.
[07:38] <imnes> What happened to the people on the login screen on ubuntu?  One day they were there, next day they were gone.
[07:39] (erik/#ubuntu) any place I can enter text I curse when there aren't emacs keybindings
[07:39] <imnes> lol
[07:39] <imnes> I usually end up using vim keystrokes in IDEs, it's annoying.
[07:39] (erik/#ubuntu) I think some people were upset with the hot chicks
[07:39] (erik/#ubuntu) for GOD KNOWS WHAT reason
[07:39] <imnes> I saved the screens I guess I can just stick them back in.
[07:40] (erik/#ubuntu) where did they get that artwork anyway?  someone convinced their railthin buddies to do a photoshoot, or did they rent some professional advertising models or what
[07:41] (erik/#ubuntu) professional-looking photography isn't really a "linux thing" heh
[07:41] <imnes> I don't know.
[07:41] <Rene_S> The hot chicks werent the problem, i resented the skinny guy in the pics because it wasnt me
[08:04] (jdub/#ubuntu) erik: professional models
[08:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) people looking at me from my computer screen tends to creep me out
[08:10] (erik/#ubuntu) jdub: ah
[08:14] <osiris_22> \lmao
[08:14] <osiris_22> my friend cant get xmms to play his mucis
[08:14] <osiris_22> music files
[08:14] <osiris_22> lmao
[08:15] <osiris_22> its sooooo funny
[08:15] <osiris_22> im not having any problems
[08:15] <potato> how ?
[08:15] <osiris_22> but hes having all kinds of problems
[08:15] <osiris_22> and hes gacked on dxm
[08:15] <osiris_22> lmao
[08:15] <potato> so you're happy that your friend can't play music
[08:15] <potato> remind me never to become your friend
[08:15] <osiris_22> no no no
[08:15] <osiris_22> lol
[08:15] <osiris_22> im trying to help him
[08:17] <potato> what does "gacked" mean ?
[08:18] <osiris_22> trashed
[08:18] <osiris_22> lol
[08:18] <osiris_22> *shakes his head*
[08:18] <briareus> gacked, fscked, b0rked
[08:18] <osiris_22> lol
[08:18] <osiris_22> yeah
[08:18] <osiris_22> he drank cough syrup lmao
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: mp3 support isn't instaled by default
[08:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: also check for hung instances of xmms in the background
[08:23] <osiris_22> it worked for me right away
[08:23] <osiris_22> but im having him install everything that says xmms in synaptic
[08:23] <osiris_22> jsut to be sure
[08:24] <osiris_22> he removed xmms
[08:24] <osiris_22> and hes reinstalling it
[08:24] <osiris_22> along with all the other xmms file
[08:26] <Hikaru79> Question... my friend just installed (we think) the driver for his ATI Radeon 9200; but he's not getting any 3d acceleration. Any ideas what the problem could be
[08:26] <Hikaru79> ?
[08:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I think it's xmms-mad you're looking for
[08:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) could someone check to see if /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart works for them?
[08:29] <osiris_22> how do i update firefox?
[08:29] <osiris_22> any ideas on how to do that?
[08:29] <Hikaru79> Download the installer
[08:29] <Hikaru79> And follow the instructions
[08:29] <osiris_22> firefox.com?
[08:29] <osiris_22> or mozilla.com
[08:30] <Hikaru79> Either
[08:31] <brion> Okay, that's slightly annoying. I mounted a drive in a shell, and a Nautilus window popped up and stole keyboard focus. :)
[08:32] <mbb> brion: yeah, I'd like to turn that off too.
[08:35] <brion> Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Removable Storage; uncheck "Browse removable media when inserted"
[08:35] <brion> seems to do the trick
[08:35] <brion> technically this drive is removable, but it takes a screwdriver ;)
[08:36] <osiris_22> hey
[08:36] <osiris_22> i dotn happen to see my waste basket anywhere
[08:36] <osiris_22> umm where would it be?
[08:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) if it's gone from the panel.. add it again
[08:38] <osiris_22> actually its still there
[08:38] <osiris_22> its just
[08:38] <osiris_22> off from my field of view
[08:38] <osiris_22> how do i get it back into my field of view
[08:41] <FTTP> holy crap
[08:42] <FTTP> microsoft took down freedesktop.org
[08:42] <FTTP> or some evil os company
[08:42] <FTTP> maybe sco
[08:42] <FTTP> On November 15th, freedesktop.org was compromised by a remote user. While we do not believe that any code or accounts have been compromised, we are in the process of rebuilding all our machines from scratch. We apologise for the inconvenience, and expect public services to start becoming available soon.
[08:42] <FTTP> my guess :  EVIL SOFTWARE CO
[08:42] <FTTP> trying to destroy freedesktop
[08:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) what a spectacular mix of paranoia and speculation
[08:44] (TerminX/#ubuntu) are there any Ubuntu specific instructions for captive ntfs?
[08:44] (TerminX/#ubuntu) friend wants to set it up and I can't be arsed to hold his hand right now :D
[08:44] <FTTP> gammaray:  isnt freedesktop.org and ubuntu linked?
[08:44] <FTTP> i mean have employees that work over there or something
[08:45] <FTTP> gammaray its not paranoia.......... someone is trying to destroy linux
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[08:45] <osiris_22> how do i add a trash can icon to my desktop
[08:46] <FTTP> gammaray what os was freedesktop.org running?
[08:46] <FTTP> so i know NEVER TO USE IT :P
[08:46] <FTTP> errr
[08:47] <FTTP> whats the thing to show you wich software is on a website?
[08:47] <FTTP> netcraft?
[08:47] <FTTP> Apache/1.3.31 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.9-1 mod_auth_pam/1.1.1 mod_ssl/2.8.20 OpenSSL/0.9.7d mod_perl/1.29 DAV/1.0.3
[08:47] <FTTP> oh shit
[08:48] <FTTP> debian was compromised?
[08:48] <FTTP> dang
[08:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://lwn.net/Articles/111451/
[08:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) read up will you?
[08:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it seems the Wiki software is to blame
[08:49] <osiris_22> how what about burning cds in ubuntu
[08:51] <FTTP> gammaray thank goodness
[08:51] <FTTP> i dont run twiki :P
[08:51] <FTTP> gammaray security is a huge deal now
[08:51] <FTTP> at least vulnerability is known and opensource code is there so it will be plugged
[08:51] <FTTP> microsoft would take years ;p
[08:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: nautilus can do that: places > cd creator
[08:53] <FTTP> gammaray think selinux would have helped?
[08:53] <jomohke> Just did a fresh ubuntu install (and have never used debian before). How can I update firefox to 1.0? (assuming I'm supposed to use the package tool, and not just download it from mozilla.org)
[08:54] <osiris_22> yeah but how do you burn a music cd and such?
[08:54] <king_arthur> jomohke: the package tool is normally the way to go but last week was not updated
[08:54] <Hikaru79> There's no package for it yet, jomohke
[08:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: if you drag wav files in, it will give the option to burn an audio cd
[08:55] <king_arthur> jomohke: just download from the firefox portal and click on install. It works :-)
[08:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: for more advanced burning, use k3b.
[08:57] <king_arthur> jomohke: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
[08:58] <jomohke> So I should just download it from their site?
[08:58] <king_arthur> jomohke: to install 1.0 yes. That's about the only option you have
[08:59] <jomohke> How far away would a proper package be?
[08:59] <jomohke> Is it usually long?
[08:59] <king_arthur> jomohke: The Linux installer script will do it for you. It's easy
[08:59] <king_arthur> jomohke: What's long?
[09:00] <king_arthur> jomohke: And what's far?
[09:00] <Misirlou> hola
[09:00] <jomohke> I meant how long could it be before an official package is updated for firefox?
[09:01] <Misirlou> I saw the "You should never see this question" question and I'd like to confirm that I should select "warty" instead of "hoary", "grumpy", or "perky"
[09:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jomohke: until hoary is released
[09:02] <king_arthur> jomohke: good question. Ubuntu are extremely in maintaining packages  but it's not up to them.
[09:02] <king_arthur> jomohke: it 's up to Debian and universe
[09:02] <Misirlou> sorry, I forgot to add that I'm performing an installation of warty-release-install-powerpc.iso
[09:05] <Chibi> Wow. FreeNX is nice.
[09:05] <Chibi> Much better than VNC D:
[09:06] <potato> does it use the same protocol ?
[09:07] <Chibi> It's a bit diffrent, so I'm hearing. And that makes sense. Does a lot of compression before it sends out. Runs MUCH faster.
[09:08] <Misirlou> I'm gonna go with "warty" then :)
[09:08] <Chibi> I was actually able to watch a movie over it :D
[09:09] <Chibi> This'll really help out leaving home. Now I can take a 6 pound 133 mhz laptop around with me rather than a 40 pound ATX tower and 80 pound crt. D:
[09:13] <king_arthur> hi there everybody, just recovered from a little firefox/chatzilla crash (still a bit unstable ;)
[09:15] <king_arthur> BTW yesterdy I got my Ubuntu install CD's Who are we gonna thank for that?
[09:15] <king_arthur> I just do it here... Thank you ubuntu :-)
[09:16] <netmonk> king_arthur, when did you order it, and where do you live?
[09:16] <potato> Chibi, but it seems like you have to pay for the server
[09:17] <potato> after the eval is over
[09:17] <king_arthur> I live in Italy and got them with the Ubuntu Cd order system
[09:17] <Chibi> potato - There's a gpl version.
[09:17] <netmonk> king_arthur, 10x for the info, I
[09:17] <potato> Chibi, would you have a url for it ?
[09:17] <netmonk> I'm just anxious to get the cd's
[09:17] <Chibi> Better, repository with debs. :P
[09:18] <potato> I'm not on a debian based distro
[09:18] <Chibi> Then why ya hanging out in here? D:
[09:18] <king_arthur> netmonk: have ordered them?
[09:18] <potato> so do they provide the source somewhere ?
[09:18] <potato> Chibi, like the artwork :)
[09:18] <Chibi> :P
[09:18] <king_arthur> netmonk: where about do you live?
[09:19] <netmonk> king_arthur, yes - 25 and I'm waiting, I live in Bulgaria
[09:19] <osiris_22> ok now the dredded question.. what about 3D graphics drivers for nvidia????
[09:19] <Chibi> I'm sure they have it around somewhere, in a winex style 'good luck compiling this' sort of dealie. D:
[09:19] <king_arthur> netmonk: BTW they look real nice, nice artwork
[09:20] <netmonk> king_arthur, enough ;), I'm getting jelaous
[09:20] <king_arthur> netmonk: did you now that with the live install jou have a bunch of open sofware you can directly install on winkozz?
[09:20] <Chibi> deb http://kanotix.com/files/debian/ ./ <- the repository with freenx D:
[09:20] <osiris_22> so its not gonna be easy to get 3d working properly
[09:20] <king_arthur> netmonk: sorry not live install but "live CD"
[09:21] <netmonk> king_arthur, no, I'm with Warty but I wanted the cd's to give away to friends
[09:21] <netmonk> king_arthur, but i have
[09:22] <netmonk> king_arthur, but i haven't heard that
[09:22] <king_arthur> netmonk: if you are silly enough to keep windows you can install firefox, thinderbird, Gimp and another few directly from that CD
[09:22] <king_arthur> netmonk: it's very usefull :-)
[09:22] <potato> thanks anyway
[09:22] <Chibi> Windows.. ewwwww D:
[09:22] <netmonk> king_arthur, no windows at home. just suse on the pc, and ubuntu on my toshiba laptop
[09:23] <king_arthur> netmonk: like to hear that.. you are a wise man 8-)
[09:23] <netmonk> king_arthur, yeah! just had my third wisdomtooth come out, lol
[09:24] <phlaegel> osiris_22: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:24] <king_arthur> netmonk: BTW I have no partitions left for winkozz on my PC
[09:24] <king_arthur> netmonk: jut no space available :-)
[09:25] <netmonk> king_arthur, same here ;)
[09:26] <king_arthur> netmonk: well good luck with your CD's you'll get them no worries
[09:27] <netmonk> king_arthur, 10x
[09:28] <potato> Chibi, it actually has a script in there to pull down all the sources :)
[09:29] <Chibi> rawkin. :P
[09:29] <potato> you don't want to execute that on dialup, though
[09:29] <potato> hehe
[09:31] <Burgundavia> anybody here going to the conference?
[09:35] <osiris_22> everytime i try to send a file on gaim
[09:35] <osiris_22> everything closes
[09:35] <osiris_22> and i have to reopen and log on gaim
[09:38] <mojo> ***prelink -ua
[09:38] <mojo> daniels: can u upload the new Nvidia driver?
[09:39] <osiris_22> is it normal for apps like gaim to fail like that?
[09:39] <osiris_22> or does that mean something is wrong with my junk
[09:39] <Burgundavia> are you running hoary or warty?
[09:40] <osiris_22> it was the warty install
[09:40] <brion> Anybody happen to know where the PHP4 MySQL module is hiding? I seem to recall Debian hides it in a php4-mysql package, but I can't seem to dig up the equivalent on warty.
[09:40] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: That package does indeed exist, it is, however, in the universe archive.
[09:40] <brion> Lathiat, thanks
[09:40] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: know how to add that etc?
[09:41] <brion> no, but i will soon
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) if you open up synaptic
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) goto the repositories
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) edit the main line and add unvierse on the end of it
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (the one with warty main restricted)
[09:41] <brion> oooooooh
[09:41] <osiris_22> like sending files was working in gaim
[09:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (to the sections)
[09:41] <Agrajag> and multiverse
[09:41] <osiris_22> and then all of a sudden
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: sending files on what protocol?
[09:42] <osiris_22> when i try to send a file it just all closes
[09:42] <osiris_22> umm idk
[09:42] <osiris_22> it was on gaim
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) [that means its crashing] 
[09:42] <Agrajag> if you're going to add universe you may as well do multiverse too
[09:42] <osiris_22> ok why is it crashing
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Yes but gaim speaks many protocols
[09:42] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osi	msn, icq, aim, zephyr, irc, etc
[09:42] <osiris_22> oh in msn
[09:42] <brion> multiverse sounds frightening :)
[09:42] <osiris_22> it did it in aim too
[09:42] <netmonk> osiris_22, the problem is in MSn ;)
[09:43] <Agrajag> brion: multiverse is just the nonfree stuff
[09:43] <osiris_22> but it did it when i tried to do it int he aim part of gaim too
[09:43] <osiris_22> it just closed
[09:43] <brion> bah, if i want nonfree i'll install it on my solaris partition ;)
[09:43] <osiris_22> crashed what ever
[09:43] <Agrajag> it's still gratis, just not Free
[09:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: haha, universe is main from debian and multiverse is non-free/contrib from debian :)
[09:43] <osiris_22> should i not worry about it?
[09:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osir	could be a new buggy version of gaim? who knows
[09:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osi	so have you upgraded since before it broke?
[09:44] <osiris_22> it was the gaim that came on the disk when i i nstalled it
[09:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hmm tabs and ^Wdont work very well on a very lagggy ssh connection
[09:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you havent upgraded since?
[09:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: the only way to know why is to run gaim in a debugger and show the output from that to the gaim devs.
[09:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (from the online archives)
[09:44] <osiris_22> how do i gamma
[09:45] <mass_> quick poll, if I was going to format a very large hard disk, wanted to be confident that the filesystem wouldn't corrupt itself due to an immature driver, and wanted to be able to stay with my choice for several years.. what should I choose?
[09:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's a bit of a process.. you would have to recompile gaim w/ debigging support and no optimazation
[09:45] <mass_> jfs? xfs? reiser3/4? ext2? minix? :)
[09:45] <Agrajag> reiser 3.6
[09:45] <osiris_22> i dont know how to do that lmao
[09:45] <osiris_22> haha
[09:46] <Agrajag> I say stay away from ext, I've had bad experiences with 2 and 3
[09:46] <osiris_22> blah
[09:46] <osiris_22> i cant send any files
[09:46] <osiris_22> thats bull
[09:46] <osiris_22> im really mad over that one
[09:46] <osiris_22> lol
[09:46] <osiris_22> everything was working untill then
[09:47] <Agrajag> try building your own gaim?
[09:47] <osiris_22> its worki8ng fine for chatting
[09:47] <osiris_22> it just wotn let me send a file as soon as i send a screen shot bam it all closes on me
[09:47] <osiris_22> its annoying
[09:48] <brion> Lathiat, thanks; got it running.
[09:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) brion: no problems :)
[09:52] <mass_> no comments on jfs or xfs? :)
[09:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass_: i stick with ext3, its never failed me
[09:59] <Agrajag> xfs is supposed to be fastest
[09:59] <Agrajag> not necessarily most stable, I don't know
[09:59] <Agrajag> someone did a comparison of all the journaled linux FSes
[09:59] <Agrajag> Reiser came out on top I think, with xfs close behind
[09:59] <Agrajag> let me see if I canfind it
[10:00] <Gnobody> how do you make .deb
[10:00] <Gnobody> ?
[10:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I stopped using Reiser after it trashed 2 important servers
[10:00] <Agrajag> hm
[10:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: from what?
[10:01] <Agrajag> well everyone's gonna say they've had probalem with all of them I guess
[10:01] <Agrajag> problems
[10:01] <Agrajag> or whatever
[10:01] <Agrajag> too tired to make a coherent setence apparently
[10:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: The Official Guide is here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[10:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gnobody: it's the official policy guide on creating packages
[10:02] <mass_> I'm kinda gearing towards reiser3
[10:03] <mass_> perhaps one day there will be a migration path to reiser4 :)
[10:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mass_: just go with ext3, it's the most well-tested one
[10:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Reiserfs really doesn't have many advantages.. I can't name any..
[10:04] <kris_> hi all!
[10:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hi
[10:04] <jomohke> What's the "universe" package things? Is it unstable packages or just unsupported?
[10:05] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: it's the packages from debian-unstable, with a few bugfixes, and it's not supported by the Ubuntu people
[10:06] <kris_> anybody using xchat?
[10:07] <kris_> q: how do i change the color of the text in the talk "prompt"?
[10:07] <kris_> it's silver on white by default...
[10:08] <kris_> ...hurts my eyes...
[10:10] (ryan/#ubuntu) hrm, i suddenly have a problem with xorg...anyone else have it bomb out saying it can't load the libfb.a module?
[10:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: no
[10:12] <Burgundavia> sorry, nope
[10:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: which driver are you using?
[10:12] (ryan/#ubuntu) nvidia driver
[10:12] <Burgundavia> kris_: I am, and mine defaults to white on black
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) latest one
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: latest or latest package?
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: you should use the ubuntu package version
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) it was working fine, then i shut down to install my sblive and when i booted back up i got the ol' gdm can't start the x server message
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) i used the latest from nvidia.com
[10:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: don't do that.. use packages
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) but like i said, its been working fine
[10:13] (ryan/#ubuntu) for the last 8 days
[10:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: yes, but if it breaks after rebooting, the kernel module must've broken
[10:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:14] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) we can't support nvidia's binary drivers.. use the ones in the package, and if they don't work use the 'nv' driver
[10:16] (ryan/#ubuntu) very well
[10:17] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) you might need to re-install the restricted-modules package for your kernel
[10:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) at first i thought "nonsense, i've rebooted several times since i got the new driver" but the archive was downloaded 8 days ago too so i guess you're right ;)
[10:17] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (as the nvidia-driver has likely overwitten the driver)
[10:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) i'm reinstalling nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev
[10:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) so far
[10:21] <Burgundavia> anybody here going to the conference?
[10:21] <jomohke> the actual nvidia driver installer when you download it from nvidia compiles its interface for your kernel, would using that instead of the package work?
[10:22] <jomohke> A little far away for me. :)
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: I am
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: he is using that, but it's not working
[10:22] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: Anybody do you know that can help me find a hostel in mataro?
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jomohke: also, the package is better supported
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: look on the ConferenceAttendees page on the wiki
[10:22] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: thanks, that worked just fine :)
[10:22] <Burgundavia> jomohke: you are farther than most
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: and the Conference page
[10:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: it has a hostel
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: I did, but I cannot find a hostel with any of those links
[10:23] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: The hostel listed is only 15+ groups
[10:23] <jomohke> gnome.conf.au is in my city next year, so I'll certainly be going to that..
[10:23] (ryan/#ubuntu) i'll just wait till ubuntu puts the newer driver in thenb
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: as I understand it, they only take reservations from group > 15 people.. smaller groups can go, but not make a reservation
[10:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: if I understand correctly
[10:24] <Burgundavia> ryan: You are lucky. I have no 3d support with my 9600
[10:24] (ryan/#ubuntu) besides, the only reason i upgraded was to see improved performance with composite, and it was still quite glitchy anyhow
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Burgundavia: ok
[10:24] (ryan/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: thats why i <3 nvidia
[10:24] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: are you listed on the attendees page?
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: yes
[10:25] (ryan/#ubuntu) i had a radeon 7500 once...for about 3 days or so
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: but I've booked a room in thethe NH hotel
[10:25] (ryan/#ubuntu) took it back, scoured the town for an nvidia card, got my ti 4200 (when it was new)
[10:25] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: ok, your real name is not what irc says it is then
[10:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: it's what /whois tells you
[10:25] (ryan/#ubuntu) but even 3d worked with the radeon 7500 ;) just not as well as i wanted
[10:26] <kris_> help me
[10:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kremlyn: context?
[10:27] (ryan/#ubuntu) joy to the world, xmms segfaults. ryannn isss impressed! o~/
[10:27] <Burgundavia> kris_: that did not fix it?
[10:27] <kris_> nope
[10:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kremlyn: don't dcc please
[10:27] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: Your trip will be much cheaper than mine
[10:27] <kris_> it's the same
[10:27] <Burgundavia> kris_: I am out of ideas
[10:27] <kris_> nobody else had the same problems?!
[10:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: I pay 150 for the return flight..
[10:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: euros
[10:28] <Burgundavia> kris_: you can try removing and reinstalling xchat as a drastic last measure, just make sure you remove residual config as well
[10:28] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: $1000 CAD for my plane
[10:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: ugh..
[10:28] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) Treenaks: with what airline are you flying ?
[10:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) sjoerd: basiqair
[10:28] <Burgundavia> West coast of Canada to Europe is not cheap
[10:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: true..
[10:29] <Burgundavia> If only I lived in Europe, boy would it be much cheaper
[10:29] <kris_> is there a config file for xchat?
[10:29] (ryan/#ubuntu) erm
[10:29] <kris_> ...couldn't find any.
[10:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: just configure it from the menu.
[10:29] (ryan/#ubuntu) mplayer segfaults too now? :<
[10:29] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi
[10:29] <kris_> i tried
[10:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: or ask on #xchat
[10:29] <Burgundavia> kris_: .xchat2 in my home dir
[10:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: reinstall xserver-xorg too..
[10:30] <kris_> thenx
[10:30] <kris_> i'll look into it
[10:30] <Burgundavia> Treenaks: any idea of how many are coming? I figure about 100
[10:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: no clue..
[10:31] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Burgundavia: but the list is growing quite fast already
[10:33] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: unfortunately didn't help
[10:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd like to rebuild a deb w/ no optimizations and debugging. So I do export CFLAGS="-g -O0" and dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot
[10:34] (ryan/#ubuntu) so xmms and mplayer mysteriously segfault now
[10:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) but it seems to be ignoring me
[10:34] (ryan/#ubuntu) but beep media player works...
[10:34] (ryan/#ubuntu) is it a gtk1 thing maybe?
[10:37] (ryan/#ubuntu) aye
[10:37] (ryan/#ubuntu) mupen64 segfaults too
[10:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: there's DEB_BUILD_OPTS or something like that
[10:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: but why rebuild?
[10:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ryan: it must be a library thing..
[10:38] <kris_> ok, there's another thing, that suits this channel better..
[10:39] (ryan/#ubuntu) i'm thinking its because of my recent apt-get upgrade rather than the nvidia driver thing
[10:39] (ryan/#ubuntu) i apt-get upgraded when the x server wouldn't start, thought what the hell maybe this will help
[10:39] <kris_> what is the current best way to fix multimedia in ubuntu?
[10:39] (ryan/#ubuntu) heh
[10:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: so I can debug or atleast get a decent backtrace
[10:39] <kris_> is it apt-get install totem-xine?
[10:39] <kris_> -it is easiest way,
[10:39] <kris_> but...
[10:40] (ryan/#ubuntu) ok its not gtk1, cause basilisk2 is fine and gtk-theme-switch is fine
[10:40] (ryan/#ubuntu) grrr
[10:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: CFLAGS := -g -O0 in the rules file seems to do it
[10:41] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: there's DEB_BUILD_OPTS for that too..
[10:42] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: seems to have to do with gl...
[10:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Treenaks: seems to do it also
[10:49] (ryan/#ubuntu) ugh finally
[10:50] (ryan/#ubuntu) Treenaks: funny how running the nvidia updater with --uninstall _first_ and _then_ reinstalling nvidia-glx etc works so much better hey
[10:51] <osiris_22> how do i install a tar.gz file
[10:52] <osiris_22> i downloaded the newest amsn
[10:52] <osiris_22> but i dont know how to install it
[10:52] <stuNNed> anyone else have system loclups using smp kernel in good ole hoary?
[10:52] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: well,      tar zxf thefilename.tar.gz         will extract the contents.
[10:52] <osiris_22> i got it extracted
[10:53] <osiris_22> but what do i do then
[10:53] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: ok - i just went to the aMSN website.
[10:53] <Exasparilla> put that tar.gz down and just get the .deb
[10:54] <Exasparilla> there's a link on the Download page.
[10:55] <osiris_22> yeah
[10:55] <osiris_22> ok
[10:55] <osiris_22> but
[10:55] <osiris_22> where do i dl the deb file at
[10:55] <osiris_22> like when i click ont he dl link
[10:55] <osiris_22> it dont say dl
[10:55] <osiris_22> its giving me all kinds of options
[10:55] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: i'll help.  hold on
[10:56] <osiris_22> and i have no idea what to get
[10:56] <Exasparilla> you running on an i386?
[10:56] <Exasparilla> not ppc?
[10:56] <osiris_22> yes 1386
[10:56] <osiris_22> i386
[10:57] <Exasparilla> ok.  Near the bottom of the page that you got to from the aMSN Download page, it says "Download amsn" in big bold letters
[10:57] <Exasparilla> click the i386 button right below that.
[10:58] <osiris_22> ok got the file
[10:58] <osiris_22> what do i do next
[10:58] <Exasparilla> sudo dpkg -i whateverthefileis.deb
[10:59] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: Do you have the "Universe" package repository enabled?  Is amsn there?
[11:00] <osiris_22> and thats it?
[11:00] <osiris_22> tis installed
[11:01] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: Save yourself some trouble by enabling the "Universe" repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  It looks like amsn was already there.
[11:01] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: for next time :)
[11:01] <Exasparilla> does it work?
[11:01] <osiris_22> up it does nothen but let me try something ill brb
[11:01] <osiris_22> yeah but it was an older version of amsn
[11:03] <jlmontero> p
[11:05] <jlmontero> #ubuntu-es
[11:06] <jlmontero> hola
[11:06] <Exasparilla> jlmontero: /join #ubuntu-es
[11:11] <osiris_22> ok
[11:11] <osiris_22> now amsn works
[11:11] <osiris_22> do you know anything about installing java and putting it in the path for limewire or bearshare?
[11:11] <osiris_22> i got that gkt
[11:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) eww amsn
[11:11] <osiris_22> but my frien is incisting to use limewire or bearshare
[11:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) why not use gaim?
[11:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) amsn is ugly and old
[11:11] <osiris_22> lmao
[11:12] <osiris_22> i cant get gaim to be stable
[11:12] <osiris_22> its annoying me
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) oh you
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats right
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it works fine for me :)
[11:12] <osiris_22> everytime i try to send a file it crashes.. and it wasnt doing that before
[11:12] <osiris_22> but now it is so i give up
[11:12] <osiris_22> ok so about the java thing
[11:12] <osiris_22> any idea how to do that
[11:12] <hussein> hello
[11:12] <Exasparilla> yes
[11:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: i think theres somethign about java in the wiki
[11:13] <osiris_22> im a newb
[11:13] <osiris_22> lmao
[11:13] <hussein> hey, this is the official Ubuntu channel right?
[11:13] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: it's easy easy on debian.
[11:13] <osiris_22> ya gotta speak english
[11:13] <kris_> java is not so difficult to install.
[11:13] <Exasparilla> dunno about ubuntu
[11:13] <osiris_22> well when i try to install limewire it says there is no vm installed
[11:13] <osiris_22> and i installed java
[11:13] <hussein> I especially like the Gnome-ized OpenOffice.org
[11:14] <hussein> can I get the sources to it?
[11:14] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: how did you install java?
[11:14] <kris_> get java from java.sun.com
[11:14] <osiris_22> i installed the java on synaptic
[11:14] <kris_> install it in e.g. /opt/java
[11:14] <kris_> and make symbolic links
[11:15] <osiris_22> see with suse limewire jsut worked
[11:15] <hussein> does anyone know where I can get the sources to the compiled binaries in Ubuntu?
[11:15] <osiris_22> but i cant use suse anymore
[11:15] <osiris_22> because of my lcd screen
[11:15] <osiris_22> it basicly said fuck you lol
[11:15] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: Here's what I do:  go to www.apt-get.org and search for j2re.  It'll give you a list of repositories you can add to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:16] <kris_> java:
[11:16] (ryan/#ubuntu) does anyone know what package x86dga.h would be in on ubuntu
[11:16] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: I use          deb http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian ./
[11:16] (ryan/#ubuntu) i tried searching packages.debian.org with the search package contents option, it said xlibs-static-dev
[11:17] <kris_> java: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713&highlight=java+ln
[11:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) i have that, but i don't have that file still
[11:17] (ryan/#ubuntu) even after reinstalling the package to make sure
[11:17] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: then just install j2re from synaptic
[11:18] <osiris_22> ok
[11:18] <osiris_22> i found the j2re thing
[11:18] <osiris_22> but i cant find the reposatory
[11:18] <osiris_22> and i have no idea how to add it either.
[11:18] <kris_> osiris: check out the link....
[11:19] <kris_> osiris: you do not need to install it via synaptic.
[11:19] <osiris_22> im looking at the link
[11:19] <netmonk> does anyone know is there a way to erase cd-rw with nautilus?
[11:19] <kris_> you'll have java in no time...
[11:20] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: you can do it kris's way, too
[11:20] <Exasparilla> :)
[11:21] <mirak> what is an hoary ?
[11:21] <Exasparilla> osiris_22: To do it my way you would type "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" and add that deb... line I posted above
[11:22] <hussein> sources? anyone?
[11:23] <mirak> what is an hoary ?
[11:23] <mirak> is that an animal ?
[11:23] <mirak> or something ?
[11:23] <Exasparilla> mirak: It's an adjective meaning "gray with age"
[11:25] <mirak> ok
[11:25] <mirak> because I read that on the de channel, but I don't see the point
 You guys realize how bad of a name Hoary is right?
 I just had to yell across my office: "Hey Paul, are you using Hoary?"
 And of course all the women in the office turn and scowl.
[11:26] <Exasparilla> whory (whorey) sounds the same, but means "like a prostitute"
[11:27] <Exasparilla> all prostitutes are whorey, but hopefully *yours* won't be hoary.
[11:27] <kris_> lol
[11:28] <Exasparilla> now just watch that get archived until someday my fiance reads it ;) whoops.
[11:30] <hect0r> hi, I've a problem with the installation : "Couldn't retreive libpam-modules" from "Debootstrap"
[11:30] <hect0r> do u know a solution
[11:30] <hect0r> ?
[11:33] <osiris_22> umm i installed lime wire
[11:33] <osiris_22> but i cant find it to start the program
[11:33] <osiris_22> i went throught he install and everything
[11:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hehe i just demod ubuntu on my lapotp to my mum and shes sold so im installing it on her computer next week :)
[11:35] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) she said she wanted to type somethign so i gave her my laptop and said "figure it out", only took her 30 seconds :)
[11:35] <osiris_22> it installed to /root/limewire
[11:35] <osiris_22> but when it type whereis limewire
[11:35] <osiris_22> all i get is limewire:
[11:35] <osiris_22> but i went throw the instalation
[11:35] <osiris_22> and shit
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: if you goto /root/limewire
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) read the README
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) should tell you what to do
[11:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) might have to run it from there with ./limewire or something
[11:37] <osiris_22> i found it lmao
[11:37] <osiris_22> haha
[11:37] <osiris_22> its umm well haha funny
[11:39] <osiris_22> the exe
[11:39] <osiris_22> is a file with an ash on it
[11:39] <osiris_22> sh rather
[11:40] <osiris_22> and it only comes with a readme if you pay for it
[11:40] <osiris_22> and im running the free one
[11:40] <Exasparilla> is it working?
[11:41] <osiris_22> like wheni click on it
[11:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) has anyone noticed that stuff you copy into the paste buffer always disappears?
[11:41] <osiris_22> i get a msg that says
[11:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) fairly quickly
[11:41] <osiris_22> its an executable text file
[11:41] <osiris_22> and i have to click run
[11:41] <osiris_22> for it to run
[11:42] <osiris_22> i dont get it
[11:42] <osiris_22> but there is no
[11:42] <osiris_22> like link for it accept that sh link
[11:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: a .sh is a shell script file
[11:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) probably wraps the java crap or something
[11:43] <nifan> b'dia
[11:44] <osiris_22> so i shouldnt worry about that
[11:44] <osiris_22> just use it like that then?
[11:45] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yes
[11:45] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) if it works, use it..
[11:51] <Arie2005> hi, i got a serious problem installing Ubuntu
[11:51] <Arie2005> can i ask a question about it in this chan?
[11:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Arie2005: sure
[11:51] <Arie2005> kewl
[11:52] <Arie2005> downloaded the warty-release-install-i386.iso
[11:52] <Arie2005> did a md5 checksum
[11:52] <Arie2005> everythings fine
[11:52] <Arie2005> installation goes well until the grub loader
[11:52] <Arie2005> it says: installing the grub loader and then freezes
[11:53] <Arie2005> is this a common problem?
[11:54] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: no..
[11:54] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: what was the prior OS on that system?
[11:54] <mojo_> BeOS
[11:55] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: if you have a DOS boot disk... try formating your MBR and try again...
[11:55] <Arie2005> I wanted a dualboot with winxp
[11:55] <Arie2005> I did a fdisk /mrb
[11:55] <Arie2005> uh fdisk /mbr
[11:55] <pauloslf> hi!!!
[11:55] <Arie2005> and try to reinstall
[11:55] <Arie2005> same problem
[11:56] (trey`/#ubuntu) Arie2005: I dunno then, sorry  :/
[11:56] <Talliesin> Hi, does installing Ubuntu need network connectivity, or is everything I'll need on the ISO?
[11:56] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: hey...
[11:56] <Arie2005> too b ad
[11:56] <pauloslf> i need help !!! i'm behind a proxy and i can't conect to internet!!! i can ping google but no net!!
[11:56] (trey`/#ubuntu) Talliesin: ISO is fine... will detect net config automagically anyways though  :/
[11:57] <Talliesin> \o/
[11:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: your apps are configured to use your proxy?
[11:57] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: your proxy permits traffic to the sites you want?
[11:57] <pauloslf> i define the proxy at ubuntu!
[11:58] <Talliesin> I'm sadly too used to having to let the machine contact updates.microsoft.com to finish an install.
[11:58] <pauloslf> yes proxy is free..
[11:58] <xukun> re
[11:58] (trey`/#ubuntu) Talliesin: you can do that with Ubuntu, or not... whatever you choose  :/
[11:58] <pauloslf> if i try open google at nautilus it open's the html code in text!!!! is this normal!!! firefox says conection refused!!!
[11:59] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: if you can ping google, means the system proxy is fine... now try setting it up in firefox, gaim, etc...
[11:59] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: Nautilus doesn't do anything with HTML, just thinks its a document  :/
[11:59] <pauloslf> yes!! i have a dual-boot i'm using xp now...and proxy is fine..
[11:59] <pauloslf> but...
[12:00] <skeff> does Ubuntu support Reiser4fs?
[12:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: what part of "now configure proxy for the apps" don't you understand?
[12:00] (trey`/#ubuntu) skeff: umm, yeah...
[12:00] <pauloslf> this part : where?? in firefox?
[12:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) pauloslf: he told you where, "firefox, gaim, etc..."
[12:01] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: yes... in all the internet apps you use...
[12:01] <skeff> trey`, umm..ok
[12:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: epiphany rocks because it uses the system settings, someone should patch firefox to use the gnome proxy, hmm i might do that this week...
[12:01] <xukun> why are the conlose fonts so big, vga=791 gives me sooooooo big fonts
[12:02] <xukun> in grub
[12:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) xukun: what resolution do you want it to me?
[12:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) xukun: *be
[12:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: should be some way to configure it for all of GNOME, and have it work for all Ubuntu apps... should be in Computer >> System Configuration >> Networking...
[12:02] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: would be handy  :)
[12:02] <pauloslf> you don't understand! firefox for linux is diferent and i can't find the place to change the proxy in fire fox
[12:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: yeh it should be settable in the networking tab with the profiles
[12:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: altho, it is settable in desktop preferences->network proxy
[12:03] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: epiphany is the only thing that i know that pays attention to that :)
[12:03] <xukun> Lathiat: 1280x1024 that should be vga=792 or 971 for 1024x768
[12:03] (trey`/#ubuntu) pauloslf: edit > preferences ... general > "connection settings"...
[12:04] <pauloslf> tanks!!! i'm going ubuntu!!!!
[12:04] <xukun> Lathiat: or not?
[12:04] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: hmm, that should be moved to the networking tool imo... but yeah, that should work for ALL applications that are installed by default imo...
[12:05] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: I have used Epiphany for all of like 2 days in my life... never felt right to me  :(
[12:06] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: i use it all the time i love it
[12:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Then, when Phoenix was the name of Firefox... it didn't feel right to me either  :(
[12:06] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: offers nothing extra, and I could never get any plugins like java to work...
[12:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it offers being gnome extra
[12:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) flash and java both work fine for me
[12:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) actually i lie java isnt working in ubuntu but i havent installed it
[12:09] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: Firefox obey's GTK themes... and isn't as annoying  :/
[12:10] (trey`/#ubuntu) Plus, I can use Firefox on every platform I use... thats pretty handy if you ask me...
[12:11] (trey`/#ubuntu) Plus it offers more features, while still not feeling bloated...
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: what extra features does it offer
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphany does everything i need
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its faster than ff too
[12:11] (trey`/#ubuntu) Epiphany = a lesson on how to take the GNOME HIG too far...
[12:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) on my 266 :)
[12:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: howso? its all dandy to mee..
[12:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) firefox is ugly, the icons are ugghh :)
[12:12] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: the toolbars take up too much room, there isn't enough customization... imo its slow, then I haven't used it in a while...
[12:13] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: Firefox is themeable... I am using an Industrial theme  :/
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the toolbar in epiphany is like 2px higher than the FF one for me
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yeh i knwo its themable
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats whats crap, you use up more ram with another widget toolkit etc
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) why i like the gtk of peiphany
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) firefox does, however, have more features, yes
[12:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) but i dont use any of them
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphany uses gecko, everything works, has tabs, fairly quick, all i need, shrug
[12:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: widgets for the Linux browser uses GTK for widgets...
[12:14] (trey`/#ubuntu) I already said that... the only thing themeable are the icons...
[12:14] <Karnaugh> trey`: yes its themeable, when the mozilla site isnt borked
[12:14] <Karnaugh> and you can actualy download themes
[12:15] <Karnaugh> actualy let me try get some themes since I'm bored as hell
[12:15] (trey`/#ubuntu) Karakth: *shrug* I use LaSage's themes... they aren't on the Mozilla site to start with...
[12:15] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tr	hrmm, the project karn	haha yeh
[12:15] <Karnaugh> trey`: got a URL?
[12:15] <mojo_> gosh, FC3 already shipped GCC4
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ^W and tab dont work well on lagged ssh at all
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mojo_: haha not surprised
[12:16] <mojo_> hope Hoary will ship GCC4 too
[12:16] (trey`/#ubuntu) Karakth: search Ubuntu's Bugzilla for "default firefox theme"...   ;)
[12:16] <mojo_> Ican't find GCC4 in our respo
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the progress bar on the tab titles is cute in FF
[12:16] <childe> Where can I find a FireFox 1.0 package for Ubuntu?
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hmm firefox is a little faster tytping
[12:16] (trey`/#ubuntu) mojo: more then likely will be 3.4... 4.0 isn't stable yet apparently...
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) epiphanys autocompleted entry box can be a bit slow sometimes
[12:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) you might make me a convert yet trey :P
[12:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: in Hoary  :/
[12:17] <childe> The stock 0.93 version is a little old
[12:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: I don't wish to do that... use what you want, I am just stating why my choice is different...
[12:17] <childe> trey: I must upgrade to Hoary?
[12:17] <scoon> childe: if you don't want to upgrade to hoary, you can set up a local repository
[12:17] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: or go get their installer do-hicky... yes...
[12:18] <scoon> childe: i did that and then dl'd ff from debian
[12:18] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: hoary is quite stable though imo...
[12:18] <scoon> childe: take a look at -> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.html
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: oh i know, just thought id try it out a bit since i havent used it for a while :)
[12:19] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: do what scoon said, or just apt-get install apt-proxy, and read its docs...
[12:19] <childe> scoon: Where is Hoary's repository?
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: and i wasnt trying to make it a flamewar or convert, was just interested in discussing the differences from people experienced in using both
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: the different color address bar for secure sites is nice too
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrmm
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it actually seems a little faster than epiphany now
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it didnt used to be
[12:19] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: same place... just change "warty" with "hoary"...
[12:19] <scoon> childe: i just went to debian's site and did a search for it.
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: its always getting faster... they concentrate on very little else...
[12:20] <childe> trey: Just s/warty/hoary/ ?
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: there really isn't much to do due to wanting a simple browser  :)
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: yes, for /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: no going back though, so be warned  :)
[12:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) what i want to write
[12:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) is a GTK app that uinpacks a tarball
[12:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and attempts to build and install it
[12:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) using configure/autogen or
[12:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: I have been using hoary since they started populating the dir though, no probs really so far  :)
[12:21] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: look at XFce's installer for inspiration  :)
[12:21] <childe> OK. I'll try. Thank you.
[12:24] (trey`/#ubuntu) </random_thought>
[12:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: yeh? ill have to grab that, it does that i take it?
[12:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: haha yeh
[12:25] <childe> So there is X.Org in Hoary! I'm going to upgrade!
[12:25] (trey`/#ubuntu) Lathiat: yup... its pretty much what you describe as far as I understand  :)
[12:25] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: plus GNOME 2.9  :)
[12:25] <childe> But does X.org conflicts with XFree86?
[12:25] (trey`/#ubuntu) Well, most of it...
[12:26] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: kinda... not really... xserver-xorg conflicts with xserver-xfree86... but other packages are just upgraded to 6.8.1...
[12:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: ah cool
[12:27] <childe> OK. So when I upgrade to Hoary, XF86 will be automaticly replaced with X.Org, right?
[12:27] <daniels> except you want to upgrade it all, not just install xserver-xorg
[12:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: the Debian based xfree86 packages were basically xorg already though...
[12:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: yes...
[12:27] <daniels> trey`: not really
[12:27] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: ?
[12:28] <daniels> trey`: there were 300,000 lines of patches, but a *lot* more changed
[12:28] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: 300,000 patches disagree  ;)
[12:28] <childe> OK. I just love the drop shadow so much, heh heh
[12:28] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: I said "basically"... obviously it wasn't, else it wouldn't have said xfree86 still  ;)
[12:29] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: thats not set by default... the announcement (you can read @ the ubuntu forums) tells how to enable it though...
[12:29] <daniels> trey`: 300,000 lines of patches, not 300,000 patches
[12:29] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: thats what I meant  :)
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: are they context diffs?
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) trey`: haha
[12:30] <daniels> Lathiat: yeah
[12:30] <childe> OK. Thanks. But how do you call a person who use Ubuntu? Ubuntuer?
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: so its not so big then :)
[12:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) childe: legend?
[12:31] (trey`/#ubuntu) childe: I don't think it matters? never committed thought to it  :/
[12:31] <aarnem> Hi. I have a problem with gnome sound recorder. I can create sound file and play it but not save it. Any ideas?
[12:31] <childe> OK
[12:31] (trey`/#ubuntu) star*
[12:32] <Slike> hi, how do i change the behaviour of my laptop's hdd? now it always stops, restarts again for a while, stops again,..
[12:32] <cenerentola> trey: porno star...mmm..
[12:32] <cenerentola> may i be your manager?
[12:33] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: :o  what I need one of those for? :P
[12:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Slike: thats usual
[12:33] <Slike> does it shortens the life time of the hdd?
[12:33] <cenerentola> lathiat: ciao mate
[12:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: whatd i help you with? :>
[12:34] (trey`/#ubuntu) Slike: thats called "power management"... you can disable acpi if you want it to stop... not sure how once the system is running though  :/
[12:34] <osiris_22> ok i got limewire running
[12:35] <osiris_22> and tuns of files downloading
[12:35] <osiris_22> bearshare is nice
[12:35] <osiris_22> but
[12:35] <osiris_22> i didnt feel like fucken with that
[12:35] <cenerentola> slike: also sun-light, excessive low or high temperature, leaving a cd in the player while carrying it around... well also using the keyboard shortens the laptop's life
[12:35] <osiris_22> so im using limewire
[12:35] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: I prefer OpenFT or OpenNap... Gnutella as a whole kinda sucks imo  :/
[12:35] <osiris_22> wich ive never had a problem finding anything on limewire
[12:36] (trey`/#ubuntu) bearshare and limewire are both Gnutella..
[12:36] <cenerentola> lathiat: well we talked about... dont know... maybe gdesklets... i just know you're blond
[12:36] <osiris_22> i havnt had a problem with gnutella
[12:36] <osiris_22> do they make a kazaa for linux?
[12:36] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: blond? lol
[12:36] <cenerentola> trey: emule?
[12:36] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: you don't listen to underground rap I guess  :/
[12:37] <cenerentola> lathiat: something around golden-yellow...
[12:37] <cenerentola> lathiat: a light color..
[12:37] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cenerentola: i know, doesnt matter :)
[12:37] <cenerentola> whatever it is... just plain light
[12:37] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) wtf
[12:37] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: eh... nah... usually giftoxic...
[12:37] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i cant spawn new terminals
[12:37] <cenerentola> that the H2O2... you used for you hairs..
[12:38] <cenerentola> ...hair*
[12:38] <cenerentola> sorry..
[12:38] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its just scary cus i am actually blonde :)
[12:39] <cenerentola> ahhh... dont you realized i actually sniff your pants every day in the gym?
[12:40] <cenerentola> grammatically uncorrect... but you got the meaning
[12:40] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ok folks, what stops my machine from not being able to allocate any more ptys?
[12:40] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: heh... incorrect  ;)
[12:41] <hussein> does anyone know where I can get the sources to the Ubuntu version of Openoffice.org?
[12:41] (trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: apt-get source openoffice.org
[12:41] <cenerentola> ...that were..;) active part of the joke
[12:42] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: I knew that  ;)
[12:42] <hussein> trey`, cool, does that grab the one that was used to build the ubuntu or debian version of it?
[12:42] (trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: damnit dude... which you think?
[12:43] (trey`/#ubuntu) no it grabs the gentoo version  :/
[12:43] <hussein> uh... Ubuntu
[12:43] <hussein> well I am new at this
[12:43] <hussein> thanks anyway
[12:43] (trey`/#ubuntu) hussein: it shows  :/
[12:45] <daniels> trey`: dude, don't be so harsh, ok?
[12:45] <daniels> trey`: there's no reason to be a prick to him just because he's new
[12:45] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: blah... it was a rather stupid question though  :(
[12:45] <aarnem> OK, once again. Can anybody help me with gnome sound recorder problem?
[12:45] <cenerentola> trey: you're damn"ly" to smart for me..
[12:46] <daniels> trey`: it might seem like a stupid question to you, but then again, asking about X server internals is likely to be a stupid question to myself, keithp, or anyone else who's hacked on X
[12:46] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: too... and not really... I've just been using the tools longer  :)
[12:46] <daniels> trey`: if you know the answer and you want to answer it, just do so and be helpful, not abrasive
[12:46] <osiris_22> hey
[12:46] <osiris_22> my friend is having problems
[12:46] (trey`/#ubuntu) daniels: true... sorry man  :(
[12:47] <cenerentola> trey: i merely ;) meant <trey`> cenerentola: I knew that  ;)
[12:47] <osiris_22> getting his internet to work in linux wile hes behind a router the only way is if hes directly connected any reason for that?
[12:47] <cenerentola> daniels: even if you're a programmer... and you live at the bottom of the world... all my respect..;)
[12:48] <cenerentola> osiris_22: what do you mean with directly?
[12:48] (trey`/#ubuntu) cenerentola: modem connected to his nic, rather then router to nic...
[12:49] <osiris_22> like instead of connecting through hsi router he connects his cable modem directly to his pc
[12:49] <osiris_22> and im behind a router
[12:49] <osiris_22> and i have no problems at all
[12:49] <cenerentola> so the connection is ISP -- modem --- router --- pc ?
[12:49] <osiris_22> yes
[12:49] <cenerentola> trey: is it offensive to use aussies for australians:
[12:50] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: default gateway should be router... make sure dhclient is working correctly...
[12:50] <cenerentola> well is the souter setted correctly?
[12:51] <osiris_22> idk
[12:51] <osiris_22> im not at his house
[12:51] <osiris_22> im 1500 miles away lol
[12:51] <cenerentola> well you can connect to is router.. thou
[12:51] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: should have him come here...
[12:51] <osiris_22> he was hear earler
[12:51] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: would be more useful  :)
[12:51] <osiris_22> but hes kinda umm trashed at the moment
[12:51] <osiris_22> lol
[12:52] <osiris_22> hes one of them cough syrup drinkers *shudders*
[12:52] (trey`/#ubuntu) osiris_22: then I really don't think he should be playing with such things anyway  ;)
[12:52] <hussein> I installed Ubuntu on one of my lab computers 2 days ago, and it sorta had problems fetching things via apt-get during installation since I'm on a local 10.x.x.x network and the only way to download stuff is via a flaky http proxy
[12:53] <hussein> it's a nice gnome desktop, I really like it
[12:53] <osiris_22> im not a fan of gnome at all
[12:53] <osiris_22> im a kde fan
[12:53] <hussein> that's ok
[12:53] <osiris_22> but ubuntu dont seem to come with gnome
[12:53] <hussein> we all have our choices
[12:53] <osiris_22> so im having to live with it
[12:53] <osiris_22> lol
[12:53] <osiris_22> and gnome isnt bad
[12:53] <cenerentola> osiris: are you able to connect to friend-of-your's router?
[12:53] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to mount a samba share wif a password ?
[12:54] <osiris_22> lmao no no im not haha
[12:54] <Riddell> osiris_22: you can install KDE quite easily
[12:54] <liesbet> I'm having a problem shutting down my just installed Ubuntu system
[12:54] (trey`/#ubuntu) Riddell: how does that help him?
[12:54] <hussein> I have not tried Ubuntu at home yet, since I am reluctant to zap my current Slackware installation
[12:54] <daniels> Lathiat: (fwiw, the diff between our 4.3.0 and X.Org is 4.3 million lines)
[12:54] <cenerentola> liesbet: desktop, or laptop?
[12:54] <osiris_22> im a fan of SuSe
[12:54] <osiris_22> but
[12:55] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: haha nice :)
[12:55] <liesbet> cenerentola, it's a desktop
[12:55] <osiris_22> it wont work with my lcd screen
[12:55] <liesbet> it doesn't shut down
[12:55] <osiris_22> which blows donky nuts
[12:55] <cenerentola> have you got apm in /etc/modules.
[12:55] <hussein> I'd still like to grab some of those OO.o sources though, is there a way to download from the ubuntu apt source repository without using apt-get?
[12:55] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: daniels did you compute that just to show off to me? :)
[12:55] <liesbet> it shows power off and it stops
[12:55] <liesbet> let's see
[12:55] <liesbet> don't have it
[12:55] <Karakth> Someone called me?
[12:55] <liesbet> adding it
[12:56] <osiris_22> gnome seems easer to use than kde anyway
[12:56] <liesbet> cenerentola, thanks for the quick response :)
[12:56] <osiris_22> idk
[12:56] <hussein> Is it ok to do this, I mean... I hope I don't offend anyone by grabbing sources for another distro :)
[12:56] <osiris_22> i just like the way it has the 2 tabs
[12:56] <osiris_22> applications and computer
[12:56] <osiris_22> it makes it easer to find shit
[12:56] <cenerentola> liesbet: im sure it has been quick.. let's see if it was correct
[12:56] <liesbet> gonna try it out
[12:56] <liesbet> be right back
[12:56] <osiris_22> i need to find a program that iwll let me ssh onto the irc servers that im an admin of
[12:57] <osiris_22> blah
[12:57] <osiris_22> i used to use putty
[12:57] <Riddell> osiris_22: I do agree, the K menu needs a major tidy along those lines
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: lol dude, you use ssh for that
[12:58] <huz> hello, i'm encountering a bug w/ gaim - it's 100% reproductable but i can't repoduce it when I launch it w/ strace. How can I provide the support with interesting materials to resolve it ?
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) osiris_22: open a terminal and type ssh user@host
[12:58] <osiris_22> i just got putty of synaptic lmao
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ah
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bad :)
[12:59] <mirak> hi
[01:00] <liesbet> cenerentola, that did the trick :)
[01:00] <liesbet> thank you very much!
[01:00] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[01:00] <osiris_22> yes putty will do just nice
[01:00] <liesbet> I must say Ubuntu is much more pleasant then Fedora up till now
[01:00] <mirak> help
[01:00] <liesbet> Ubuntu just works
[01:00] <liesbet> and it's the only distro that makes my dlink wlan work out of the box
[01:00] <osiris_22> also im needing some icons for like my msn links im maken and umm the incons they provide just suck
[01:00] <Shadowphax> heh
[01:00] <liesbet> gonna add an entry for that on the wiki
[01:01] <jomohke> Just curious - when the new version of ubuntu comes out, will I have to install it again from a CD - or can the package tool update it for me straight off the web?
[01:01] <hussein> is this where it is kept? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/source/
[01:02] <huz> jomohke : the package tool will do the upgrade smoothly for you
[01:02] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[01:02] <mirak> anyone have this problem ?
[01:03] <hussein> because there seems to be like just this one big sources tarball...
[01:04] <scoon> when gdesklets get apt-gotten, where do all the desklets go ?
[01:05] <scoon> nevermind ; ] 
[01:05] <aarnem> Can anybody help me with sound recorder problem?
[01:07] <huz> aarnem : do you have a proper /dev/cdrom linked to a readable device ?
[01:07] <|progenic|> excuse me, how to mount a samba share wif a password ?
[01:07] <aarnem> i think yes
[01:08] <aarnem> the problem is with saving file
[01:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) |progenic|: i think if you navigate to it in the network explorer it asks for a password
[01:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) |progenic|: if you use smbmount, -o username=x,password=y
[01:08] <Dreamcatcher> hello
[01:08] <|progenic|> but it's weird, i can't navigate my network thru network explorer
[01:09] <|progenic|> but if i use smbclient it works
[01:09] <Dreamcatcher> im wondering, i want to enable the root account cause sudo is anoying me
[01:09] <Dreamcatcher> is this possible?
[01:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: you can use sudo -s if you want a root shell
[01:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: rather than running commands like it
[01:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Dreamcatcher: however if you run sudo passwd root you can set a root password, but its not recommended
[01:09] <Dreamcatcher> k
[01:10] <hussein> well, thanks anyway...
[01:10] <hussein> I'll be going
[01:10] <osiris_22> grrr amsn crashed on me
[01:12] <Shadowphax> lo Gmail
[01:12] <Gmail> hi
[01:12] <Gmail> YAY the thunder stop
[01:15] <osiris_22> im having trouble keeping my clock right
[01:15] <osiris_22> lmao its 7:15 in the morning
[01:15] <volker> hi! i have two strange problems with my ubuntu installation - i hope someone can help.
[01:15] <osiris_22> and it says its 12 15 in the afternoon
[01:15] <volker> the first one: i have a second mouse pointer, which i cannot move ...
[01:15] <daniels> Lathiat: partially out of curiousity
[01:15] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: ah ok :)
[01:15] <scoon> osiris_22: that just shows you how good ubuntu really is.
[01:16] <osiris_22> whats that supposed to mean scoon?
[01:16] <scoon> osiris_22: it knows that something really good is going to happen then.  and can't wait to get there.
[01:16] <osiris_22> lol
[01:16] <osiris_22> right
[01:16] <osiris_22> lol
[01:16] <osiris_22> im gonna be sleeping at that time
[01:16] <osiris_22> so i mean
[01:16] <volker> its a laptop installation with two mouse drivers, but both of them move the "real" pointer.
[01:16] <scoon> osiris_22: see..... has ubuntu let you down yet ?!
[01:17] <osiris_22> i would put this on mylaptop but there is no way its seeing my wireless pcmcia card
[01:17] <osiris_22> well scoon
[01:17] <osiris_22> i cant get amsn to be stable
[01:17] <osiris_22> and gaim wotn let me send files with out crashing other than that its ok
[01:17] <scoon> osiris_22: gaim has always had a problem sending files.  i have been using it for years.
[01:18] <Gmail> my bios time on my old compter each time i'll reboot wound reset to 13 March 1997 (the day it was bought) because it didn't have a cmos battrey
[01:18] <scoon> osiris_22: what kind of card is it ?
[01:18] <osiris_22> microsoft lmao
[01:18] <osiris_22> thats why
[01:18] <osiris_22> lol
[01:18] <Gmail> osiris_22: have you checked that it isn't a hardware problem
[01:18] <Gmail> WTF
[01:18] <osiris_22> check that what isnt a hardware problem
[01:19] <Gmail> is it plug in via usb?
[01:19] <osiris_22> is what
[01:19] <osiris_22> its a pcmcia card
[01:19] <Gmail> hu
[01:19] <volker> i have a second mouse pointer, which i cannot move ...
[01:19] <volker> its a laptop installation with two mouse drivers, but both of them move the "real" pointer.
[01:19] <volker> can anyone help?
[01:19] <Gmail> you have a mouse that is a pcmcia card
[01:20] <osiris_22> i think you got the wrong fellow gmail
[01:20] <osiris_22> lol
[01:20] <Gmail> ohhh
[01:20] <Gmail> lol
[01:20] <scoon> hello, hello.
[01:20] <volker> :-)
[01:20] <Gmail> i saw that
[01:20] <osiris_22> i think you wanna talk to volker
[01:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) volker: Are you expecting there to be two different mouse pointers on the screen?
[01:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) volker: because that doesnt happen..., all mice inputs move the one and only pointer
[01:20] <volker> no, it pops up when gnome starts, and i can't move it ...
[01:21] <volker> it's the old standard x pointer, and a bit anoying
[01:22] (mjg59/#ubuntu) volker: Yeah, you need to disable the hardware cursor
[01:23] (mjg59/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Microsoft wireless cards should be supported fine
[01:23] <volker> hm, how do i do that?
[01:24] (mjg59/#ubuntu) volker: You need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:24] <volker> i thought of that :-)
[01:24] (mjg59/#ubuntu) And in the device section, add Option SWCursor True
[01:24] <volker> ok, i'll try this one
[01:24] <cenerentola> im leaving ciao
[01:25] <alkirk> hello
[01:30] <alkirk> mjg59?
[01:31] (mjg59/#ubuntu) alexissoft: ?
[01:31] (mjg59/#ubuntu) Uh
[01:31] (mjg59/#ubuntu) alkirk: ?
[01:31] <alkirk> sorry, new here
[01:32] <alkirk> I saw where you mentioned about editing the  /etc/X11/XF86Config file
[01:32] (mjg59/#ubuntu) Ah
[01:33] <alkirk> I had some problems getting X to work but managed to get it working using the frambuffer
[01:33] <alkirk> framebuffer (sorry typo)
[01:34] <alkirk> Now I have an odd behavior happening
[01:34] (mjg59/#ubuntu) alkirk: You should probably file a bug
[01:34] <unikum> can somebody help me to ghet gdesklets running? i can get it to work. shouldnt the deamon show up in processlist?
[01:34] (mjg59/#ubuntu) You shouldn't need to do that - it should work automatically
[01:36] <alkirk> I installed the nvidia drivers and thay are functioning but only for GDM.  When GDM logs me into GNOME it reverts to the framebuffer
[01:37] <volker> re
[01:38] <volker> hm, the swcursor didn't help.
[01:38] <scoon> unikum: ps aux | grep deskl
[01:38] <volker> i noticed that the second cursor apears when gnome-session is started.
[01:38] <scoon> unikum: that should show you something.  if not then gdesklets is not running.
[01:39] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[01:39] <volker> so it's probably not an x problem but something with gnome ...
[01:39] <mirak> wich module is he talking about ?
[01:40] <alkirk> have I configured something wrong?
[01:41] (marcus|/#ubuntu) Is there a way to install ubuntu over a network? I can boot from my laptops external CD but linux has no drivers for it.
[01:41] <atropus> there is a recovery menu item in the grub menu, and when I select it after boot process I become root without password. Is it correct?
[01:42] <PotajiTo> wenas
[01:46] <PotajiTo> hi
[01:46] <atropus> hello
[01:46] <PotajiTo> do you know why synpatic exits when I choose a package? I'm using hoary, with xorg
[01:46] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) PotajiTo: yeh its a bug, i hink theres something in the FAQ about that
[01:47] <PotajiTo> ok thanks
[01:47] <PotajiTo> i will see the faq
[01:48] <volker> atropus: this is ok - it boots with the "single" parameter, which should give you the root console
[01:49] <PotajiTo> sorry Lathiat but could you give me a link? I can't find it via the search tool
[01:50] <skeff> uhm, why is XChat interface in Swedish when I chose Norwegian as my language?
[01:51] <PotajiTo> aren't them the same skeff LOL joke
[01:53] <skeff> more burning question though: How am I supposed to do anything as root when I don't know any root password?
[01:54] <skeff> like for instance changing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to get more colors which for some reason is set low
[01:54] <atropus> volker: but anyone can use root console when they choose recovery mode
[01:55] (mjg59/#ubuntu) atropus: If anyone can get to the grub console, they can change the kernel paramaters to say init=/bin/bash
[01:55] (mjg59/#ubuntu) Which would give them root anyway
[01:55] <PotajiTo> hum skeff use sudo
[01:55] <skeff> PotajiTo, I tried 'sudo vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' ..didn't do anuthing
[01:56] <guptan> how can I open a picture in nautilus itself rather than opening it in a different application
[01:56] (rjek/#ubuntu) It didn't do anything?  At all?  Not even ask you for your password?
[01:56] <volker> atropus: anyone with physical access to your computer will be able to get into the system - the only way to prevent this is using a bios password and password protect your grub
[01:56] <PotajiTo> it doesn't work fot me with that way
[01:56] (rjek/#ubuntu) volker: That doesn't prevent it.
[01:56] <PotajiTo> i have to cd to the directory, and then do sudo vim XF86Config-4'
[01:57] (rjek/#ubuntu) Most BIOSes have a backdoor password, or if that fails, you just short the battery.
[01:57] (rjek/#ubuntu) And then you just use GRUB on a floppy/CD/USB device/another hard disc.
[01:57] (rjek/#ubuntu) All bets are off if somebody's got physical access.
[01:58] <skeff> rjek, please address me when talking to me.  It didn't do anything no, I wasn't asked to set a root password so .
[01:58] <stuNNed> does loading alsa modules rely on hal?
[01:59] <stuNNed> or soundcard detection, rather
[01:59] <guptan> how can I open a picture in nautilus itself rather than opening it in a different application
[02:00] <skeff> uhm, is root password actually the same password I set when I created a user??
[02:00] <greg__> afair nautilus is not a picture viewer
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) You don't set a root password.
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) root doesn't have a password in Ubuntu.
[02:01] <guptan> greg__, I know its a file manager, but it works in gnome 2.6 on my debian
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) Sorry.
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: You don't set a root password.
[02:01] <skeff> rjek, when I want to su root, I just use the password I set for my user..
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: root doesn't have a password under ubuntu.
[02:01] <volker> i wonder why this works - /etc/inittab is set to use /sbin/sulogin in single user mode, which should ask for the root pw
[02:01] (rjek/#ubuntu) skeff: Use sudo.  Do "sudo su -" and it'll then ask for a password.  use your password.
[02:02] (rjek/#ubuntu) (From the user that you created during install, 'cause that's the only use that's automatically given sudo access.)
[02:02] <skeff> rjek, ok.. it's an unusual experience for me :)  I guess this resembles the way Mac OS X does it.
[02:03] (rjek/#ubuntu) I think Mac OS X resembles the way GNU/Linux does it more. :)
[02:03] <alkirk> Tried somthing still didn't work
[02:03] <skeff> rjek, I mean that you have one password to change system-wide settings.
[02:04] (rjek/#ubuntu) That's not really true.
[02:05] (rjek/#ubuntu) I mean, you could give root a password, and remove your sudo abilities.  Or you could give more users sudo abilities.
[02:06] <volker> ok, sulogin seems to be different on ubuntu - the debian version asks for a password, ubuntu just logs you in
[02:06] <volker> (if you are the init process or root :-)
[02:07] <reuben> hi
[02:07] <reuben> what system requirements does warty on PPC have?'
[02:09] <mirak> when I try to run sound juicer, it says : Impossible to start sound juicer, The module necessary to to cd rom acces wasn't found.
[02:09] <mirak> wich module is he talking about ?
[02:09] <greg__> ide-cd?
[02:10] (rjek/#ubuntu) reuben: I'd guess a NewWorld PowerMac for a start.
[02:10] (rjek/#ubuntu) reuben: And them some RAM and some disc.
[02:10] (rjek/#ubuntu) I imagine it'll run just fine inside 256MB and 1GB.
[02:11] <volker> cu
[02:13] <skeff> Seems applications not having Norwegian locale support chooses some other Scandinavian language.. can I change this default behaviour into reverting to English?
[02:15] <tola> Hi, I'm having trouble mounting a FAT32 partition in Ubunu. What's strange is that the line in fstab is the same as my Debian Configuration but it won't work in Ubuntu. I get "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, or too many mounted file systems"
[02:16] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: sudo modprobe vfat (just a wild guess)
[02:16] <tola> (I should probably mention that the hdb disk wasn't connected during installation)
[02:16] <tola> sjoerd: na, that didn't help :(
[02:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tola: whats the fstab line you have?
[02:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tola: also might wanna check /dev/hdb1 is actually there
[02:17] <skeff> Why am I unable to load .mp3 files, but .ogg works fine, in Rhythmbox?
[02:17] <tola> /dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    sw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0
[02:18] <tola> if I do less -f /dev/hdb1 it returns output
[02:18] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: you should mount int under /media, but that shouldn't matter for the error
[02:19] <tola> sjoerd: "int"?
[02:19] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: in :)
[02:19] <tola> sjoerd: oh right, why should it be under /media?
[02:20] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) tola: new FHS stuff
[02:20] <tola> sjoerd: scary :P
[02:20] <mindtrap> hi
[02:20] <tola> is there a GUI front end to fstab anywhere?
[02:20] <stuNNed> damn, just compiled my own kernel due to modem support now sound can't be detected
[02:21] <Karnaugh> tola: uh.. if you're happy enough to mess with fstab, you shouldnt need a gui for it
[02:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: did you base your kernel config off ubuntus default one?
[02:21] <stuNNed> Lathiat, yes
[02:21] <tola> Karnaugh: nah, just wondered
[02:21] <mindtrap> has anyone experienced problems after an update? by initrd seems to be gone away. so no booting anymore. :(
[02:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: odd then
[02:21] <stuNNed> Lathiat, snd_intel8x0 get's loaded but with 0, undetected
[02:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: is it a different kernel version?
[02:22] <stuNNed> Lathiat, based it off ubuntu's .config then compiled into kernel, not modules piix and other ide stuff due to hsf modem
[02:22] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) right
[02:22] <mindtrap> btw. this happend after an fresh install
[02:22] <stuNNed> Lathiat, same kernel verison 2.6.8
[02:22] <stuNNed> Lathiat, think it has something to do with hal
[02:22] <baschd> hi
[02:23] <stuNNed> Lathiat, should i try and compile alsa-driver from source?
[02:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: so you did cp /boot/config-`uname -r`  .config // make oldconfig // make menuconfig and ONLY changed the hsf driver to compile ?
[02:23] <stuNNed> Lathiat, only part didn't do is make oldconfig but the .config from /boot was there
[02:24] <mirak> greg__: what ?
[02:24] <stuNNed> Lathiat, did i need to make oldconfig?
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: umm probably should have worked
[02:24] <stuNNed> Lathiat, thought .config being there from /boot would work didn't need to do that
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: might help tho
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrm
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) odd
[02:24] <stuNNed> Lathiat, hal complains upon boot some things disabled
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) no idea sorry
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: yeh probably cus you didnt use the ubuntu kernel patches
[02:24] <greg__> mirak:: ??
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i think theyve got some wack stuff in there
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i have the same thing
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) doesnt break my sound tho
[02:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i dont use alsa either tho
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i use oss, the alsa driver for my sound card is fscked
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) sorry cant help more..
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) could try getting the proper ubuntu kernel source
[02:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) patching and building off that
[02:25] <stuNNed> Lathiat, no probs, how did you get dsp's generated from oss kernel module?
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: what do you mean exactly?
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: as in /dev/dsp or?
[02:26] <stuNNed> yes
[02:26] <stuNNed>  /dev/dsp's
[02:26] <stuNNed> or /dev/dsp
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) OSS modules make a /dev/dsp by default
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) alsa only makes thenm with the compatability layer
[02:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) . /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer are OSS things
[02:26] <stuNNed> Lathiat, ah ok, i'll uninstall alsa and try oss thanks, do you just have your oss driver load at boot?
[02:27] <mindtrap> has anyone an idea how to fix an missing initrd image?
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: yeh and oh using ALSA is good if it works
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: OSS is deprecated
[02:27] <baschd> hi...
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: just my alsa driver (yamaha OPL3SA2) doesnt recognise my card
[02:27] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and i tried to hack it up, didn't get too far
[02:27] <baschd> I've a problem compiling a atmel wlan kernel module...
[02:28] <stuNNed> Lathiat, yes...i'll try oss just the same though, doesn't really matter, it's a laptop, would be nice to have sound though
[02:28] <stuNNed> anyways off to work, bbl
[02:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: cya :_)
[02:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: the other thing you could try is only compiling the module fo ryour modem against the ubuntu kernel source
[02:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: and using the ubuntu kernel
[02:29] <baschd> I installed the kernel headers and linked them to /usr/src/linux but if I want to compile the atmel wlan drivers (there are two of them...I tested both) make returns an error missing /lib/modules/kernel-2.6..../build
[02:29] <baschd> what can I do?
[02:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: you can probably specify where your kernel source is with the atmel builder
[02:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) either edit the Makefile or pass a paramater or something
[02:30] <baschd> Lathiat well...that's not the fault of the kernel source...
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: umm, correct....
[02:31] <baschd> Lathiat If I remove /usr/src/linux make returs "There's no linux source"
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) leave that there as well
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) but you probably have to set somethign else
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i mean you can also symlink the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build directory to /usr/src/linux
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) possibly /usr/src/linux/include
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) might work then
[02:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) not sure what specifics that build wants
[02:32] <baschd> Lathiat this error seems to be caused because something in /lib/modules/2.6.../build is missing
[02:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: yeh so symlink that like i said
[02:32] <baschd> Lathiat well I'll try that :)
[02:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) baschd: its just a smlink to either the linux source or the source/include, i forget which sorry
[02:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im off
[02:33] <stuNNed> Lathiat, yes, but ubuntu's default kernel config loads piix as modules and such other ide support, which causes the hsf modem driver to die, linuxant recommended building that stuff into kernel so that's what i did, using ubuntu's kernel sources
[02:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: ah ok
[02:33] <stuNNed> Lathiat, i'll try oss or see what else i can do, hal complains at boot guess missing patches
[02:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: they probably wont break alsa tho
[02:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: *not having those patches)
[02:34] <baschd> Lathiat merci...that worked!!! :)
[02:34] <swat_> hi
[02:34] <swat_> i was under the impression that the intel centrino wireless stuff had now been integrated into ubuntu
[02:35] <daniels> it has
[02:35] <swat_> ah my bad
[02:35] <swat_> it is integrated - but it's dieing :(
[02:35] <swat_> ipw2200: Detected Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection
[02:35] <swat_> ipw2200: Error allocating IRQ 7
[02:35] <swat_> ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:03.0 failed with error -16
[02:36] <swat_> ^^^ likee so
[02:36] <swat_> anyone have any ideas?
[02:39] <UnIData> hi, a software to admin the services (start, stop), thx.
[02:39] <scoon> anyone here using an HP 2510 printer/scanner ?
[02:41] <mirak> damn
[02:41] <mirak> why isn't CDFS module a default in ubuntu ?
[02:41] <skeff> uhm, I read the wiki and it mentioned something like installing totem-xine to get support for mp3 for instance..where do I find this totem-xine package?
[02:41] <mirak> why do we need to build it ?
[02:43] <skeff> How do I format my root partition for Reiser4 when installing Ubuntu?
[02:43] <ceu> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[02:43] <ceu> I can't eject the cd
[02:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: you can't, reiser4 support is not available yet.
[02:43] <ceu> I have to eject it as root
[02:43] <ceu> (rights of /dev/hdc are ok)
[02:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: you can only eject it as the person who mounted it in the first place
[02:44] <skeff> Treenaks, crap, someone here told me otherwise
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: unless you use pmount..
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: oh wait other problem
[02:44] <ceu> Treenaks: cdrom is mounted automatically when I insert in my cd-rom reader
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: then you shuold be able to unmount it as well.. using the GUI
[02:45] <ceu> Treenaks: I obtain that error using the GUI too
[02:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: that's strange. did you install some other automounting stuff, instead of the default hal + pmount?
[02:46] <ceu> no, but I've recompiled ubuntu kernel. I've disabled ACPI because mi laptop has only APM
[02:47] <tola> if anyone is interested... "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    sw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0" should be "/dev/hdb1       /mnt/hdb1       vfat    rw,users,uid=1000,gid=1000 0    0" (rw not sw). I've no idea why that line works in Debian...
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: why not just pass 'acpi=off' to the kernel (using grub)
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: also, if acpi isn't available, that is detected and acpi is not used
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: just add 'apm' to /etc/modules
[02:47] <ceu> at boot HAL write a message, something like "your kernel doesn't support some features"
[02:47] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: that's the problem then
[02:48] <ceu> mmm, ubuntu stock kernel lacks some APM stuff
[02:48] <trey`> daniels: you around?
[02:48] <daniels> sup
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: no, the ubuntu stock kernel has APM as a module
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: and you have to load it by hand
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: (or using /etc/modules)
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: because it's not auto-detected yet
[02:49] <ceu> # CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
[02:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ceu: file a bug
[02:49] <ceu> (in /boot/config-2.6.8.1-3-686)
[02:49] <trey`> daniels: hey, I get a flickering effect with the new Xorg packages when something on screen in scrolled/changes in some way... is this a known bug, or related to settings in some way?
[02:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: drive?
[02:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +r?
[02:50] <ceu> Treenaks: ok
[02:50] <trey`> Treenaks: I don't follow?
[02:51] <stuNNed> Treenaks, does soundcard detection rely on hal?
[02:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: which drivre do you use?
[02:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: no, it's done by hotplug
[02:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: so it relies on the kernel supporting your sound card
[02:51] <trey`> Treenaks: driver? trident...
[02:52] <stuNNed> Treenaks, ok, just recompiled an ubuntu sources kernel due to needing to compile piix and related into the kernel not as module now soundcard isn't detected by alsa or hotplug ?
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: because I have the latest xorg and nothing is flickering during scrolling
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: so it must be a driver issue
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: why do you need those in the kernel instead of as module?
[02:52] <trey`> Treenaks: that would make more sense I suppose...
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: strange, did you use the ubuntu config as a base?
[02:53] <kris_> hi all!
[02:53] <trey`> Kinda sucks though... and never saw it with xfree  :/
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: xfree has other problems with trident (Xv anyone?)
[02:53] <stuNNed> Treenaks, linuxant drivers tech support suggested it, problem with i/o, the disk drive, and linuxant nonfree driver
[02:53] <stuNNed> Treenaks, yes, used ubuntu config as base
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: linuxant.. there you have your probleme.
[02:53] <trey`> Treenaks: this is more noticeable/annoying to me though  :(
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) -s/
[02:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) -e
[02:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: try playing with the different Xaa-disable options
[02:54] <trey`> Treenaks: aight... thanks  :)
[02:54] <stuNNed> Treenaks, yes but i don't have any other option to get the modem working
[02:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) trey`: I don't know what they're called exactly, but it might let you track down the bug
[02:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: get a non-winmodem.. that's the best solution..
[02:55] <stuNNed> Treenaks, it's build into the laptop, oh well, thanks anyways
[02:55] <stuNNed> build/built
[02:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I have a PCtel HSP micromodem :) not supported in any way.. just taking op space in my laptop ;)
[02:56] <stuNNed> Treenaks, :-|
[02:56] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I have wireless and DSL anyway..
[02:56] <kris_> what is the best way to play movies in ubuntu (all codecs)? is it by installing mplayer (as described in a sticky forum post) or is it better to play movies with totem- by installing totem-xine?
[03:00] <cenerentola> hi ya there
[03:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kris_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:00] <robertj> hey all, what's the proper way to burn an iso with cdrecord when -scanbus doesn't turn up any entries?
[03:01] <cenerentola> treenaks: could you plz tell me where i can find hoary iso?
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: what's your CD-writer device?
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) cenerentola: I don't know
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: is it IDE?
[03:01] <robertj> yah
[03:01] <robertj> otherwise scanbus would show it
[03:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) robertj: then just use dev=/dev/hdc or whatever it is (check with dmesg)
[03:02] <robertj> thanks
[03:05] <will> mjr: u there?
[03:05] <will> anyone know anything on screen corruption running in 16bit colour?
[03:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: that depends, which driver are you using
[03:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: and warty or hoary?
[03:06] <will> Treenaks: hoary with an intel 810
[03:06] <will> (built in gfx)
[03:07] <robertj> Treenaks: thanks
[03:07] <will> works fine in 24bit mode, but not 16, which i need for hardware acceleration
[03:07] <robertj> treenaks: I also used that value in xcdroast before figuring out that I had no clue how to use it
[03:07] <robertj> treenaks: that is one horribe UI ;)
[03:07] <skeff> guys.. I tried installing package 'gstreamer-mad' to get support for MP3 in my Rhythmbox, but to no avail.. what do I need to do?
[03:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: read the instructions again
[03:08] <will> skeff: use xmms or totem-xine
[03:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: also, you might need to restart rhythmbox
[03:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: no, rhythmbox works fine
[03:08] <carlos> skeff: gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:09] <skeff> carlos, ah ok..0.6 is in the repository.. how do I get 0.8 then?
[03:09] <carlos> skeff: do you have "universe" in your sources.list?
[03:09] <will> Treenaks: any idea on the screen corruption?
[03:10] <kris_> has anybody successfuly "cloned" a dvd in linux? -how? -I really do not want to use Windows for that (am currently using DVD shrink).
[03:10] <skeff> carlos, yes, I wouldn't see gstreamer-mad at all if I didn't.
[03:11] <carlos> skeff: then, just apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:11] <robertj> doh!
[03:11] <robertj> I just wrote a symlink to disk ;)
[03:11] <skeff> carlos, what the hell is the point of Synaptic if I can't choose what packages I actually want to install?
[03:11] <carlos> skeff: if you are using synaptic
[03:11] <carlos> just search for it
[03:12] <tola> does anyone have a working dvb-t card in Ubuntu? I'd quite like to get my Hauppauge Nova-T working.
[03:12] <carlos> if it's available from apt-get it should be available from synaptic
[03:12] <robertj> where does the right click to burn iso source code live
[03:12] <skeff> oh god, what quirky system
[03:12] <robertj> is it a nautilus plugin or coded in?
[03:12] <carlos> robertj: nautilus-cd-burner
[03:12] <carlos> a kind of plugin
[03:19] <skeff> is it possible to manage a playlist with Rhythmbox?
[03:19] <robertj> hrmm, cd drive is failing with timeouts after hoary upgrade
[03:20] <kris_> has anybody successfuly "cloned" a dvd in linux? -how? -I really do not want to use Windows for that, but it's so easy using DVD shrink...
[03:20] <kris_> anybody?
[03:20] <stonegu1> Anyone know how to open ports 6881-9 for azureus?
[03:21] <will> stonegul: azureus worked for me with no problems
[03:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stonegu1: no ports are closed on ubuntu, thats probably somethign to do with your router and we cant help you there, read your router/modem manual
[03:22] <will> does anyone know about screen corruption here?
[03:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: what driver are you using?
[03:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: what kind of card
[03:22] <stonegu1> will, I'm getting NAT error on port 6881. I have hardware firewall, but ports are open there, and evrything ok under Windows.
[03:22] <will> intel 810 built in graphics
[03:22] <mirak> hi
[03:23] <mirak> with wich software can I encode wav files to ogg or mp3 or flac ?
[03:23] <will> stonegul: check your firewall/router config...it must be something there 99.9% sure
[03:25] <will> Treenaks: is it a shared memory problem?
[03:26] <skeff> can I get amarok working in Ubuntu=
[03:26] <mirak> skeff: yes
[03:26] <mirak> install it
[03:26] <mirak> and run amarokapp
[03:26] <mirak> first
[03:26] <mirak> then amarok
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: it could be.. could be a lot of different things
[03:26] <mirak> with wich software can I encode wav files to ogg or mp3 or flac ?
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) will: which version are you using? warty or hoary?
[03:27] <stonegu1> will - I think blockage is in ubuntu configuration, but I can't find anything relating to firewall component. Any clues?
[03:27] (rjek/#ubuntu) mirak: ogg123, lame, and flac, respectively.
[03:27] <skeff> mirak, the what? How do _install_ it then? I don't see an amarok package in the Ubuntu repository, main nor universe
[03:27] <mirak> skeff: un multiverse
[03:27] <mirak> in
[03:28] <mirak> you should know that kde is in multiverse
[03:28] (rjek/#ubuntu) Not ogg123.  Duh.  I'm not awake yet.
[03:28] (rjek/#ubuntu) oggenc.
[03:28] <BWF89> whats this chat for
[03:28] (rjek/#ubuntu) Chatting about Ubuntu.
[03:28] <BWF89> i'm useing live CD
[03:28] <BWF89> how to I get AIM
[03:29] <will> Treenaks: problem is, i only have a S3 card, maybe i should try that
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) Have you tried gaim?
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) I'm not familier with the Live CD.
[03:29] <BWF89> ok
[03:29] <tola> I've noticed that dvb_core is loaded by default - not sure what that is
[03:29] <BWF89> I thought Gaim was it's own messenger
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) I'd imagine gaim is your best bet, though.
[03:29] <BWF89> ill try that
[03:29] <will> stonegul: have u installed a firewall of anytype in Ubuntu? ie firestarter?
[03:29] (rjek/#ubuntu) BWF89: Gaim's a metamessenger.  It does alsorts of protocols.  Even IRC.
[03:30] <BWF89> just like Kopeka on SLAX
[03:30] <cardador> BWF89: isnt it Kopete?
[03:31] <BWF89> no this is GAIM
[03:31] <BWF89> last week I was useing SLAX live cd and it had Kopeka
[03:31] <cardador> never heard of Kopeka
[03:31] <mike998> kopete?
[03:31] <BWF89> ok, it's working
[03:32] <stonegu1> will - no, my addins are Java 1.5 (from wiki instructions) and azureus. Since I have hdw router/fwall, I don't need anything for sfw/
[03:33] <will> humm, and the azureus config, on the port test page could not open its port?
[03:33] <skeff> mirak, get bent, there is no amarok in universe, and there is no multiverse!
[03:33] <stonegu1> will - Exactly! I can d/l, but I want to be a nice guy and share :)
[03:34] <mirak> skeff: lol, go hung yourself
[03:34] <mirak> skeff: use hoary
[03:34] <will> stonegul: of course otherwise you get booted of the site!!!, umm let me think a bit
[03:35] <skeff> mirak, I think perhaps coming from gentoo and not debian leaves me a bit disabled on Ubuntu..
[03:35] <Karnaugh> skeff: it gives you the chance to use a real distro though
[03:35] <mirak> skeff: well debian is clearer on this
[03:40] <will> stonegul: go to www.grc.com and try the ShieldsUP!! test, select custom ports and scan the azureus ones. That should give you an idea of their actuall status
[03:40] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, now I am, but don't know anything about the corruption thing
[03:41] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, if it's possible, I'd try if Hoary's X.org server fixes that
[03:42] <will> mjr: hi!
[03:43] <will> mjr: last night i tried the 16bit thing, but screen corruption at the top, then the screen seem to change res, then it froze up completely. had to drop to recovery and re-edit xorg.conf
[03:43] <MaFioZoX> hi
[03:43] (mjr/#ubuntu) oh yeah, you _were_ using x.org already
[03:43] <MaFioZoX> who speak french???
[03:44] <deFrysk> the french ?
[03:44] <MaFioZoX> I have a prob with my linux and im noob on it I need help
[03:44] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, well, try the dri mailing lists then. Oh, and did you muck up with the memory settings that I blathered about? Things like that could happen if it was told to use more memory than is actually available
[03:45] <will> oh, did not look at that, and i thought, this seems like an overlap in memory
[03:45] <MaFioZoX> lol
[03:46] <will> mjr: so if i cant configure the gfx memeory in BIOS, where would it be possible?
[03:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) is it possible to install ubuntu on an encrypted FS (even root?)
[03:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) will, as I said, there might've been some kernel parameters or something, but you'll have to ask the dri people for spesifics
[03:47] <will> mjr: i dont even know how much memory its using...maybe winbloze will tell me
[03:47] <potato> Treenaks, theoretically it's possible
[03:47] <potato> Treenaks, you might need some initrd to boot it, though
[03:47] <|m0rph|> hy ppl, i'm having a problem here and need help
[03:47] <will> mjr: okay will get on to that
[03:48] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, ubuntu works with initrds anyway.. so it shuold be possible to "patch it in"
[03:48] <potato> it is possible
[03:48] <potato> but you'll have to do some reading
[03:48] <potato> the initrd howto is pretty good
[03:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://perso.crans.org/~segaud/dm-crypt-initrd-HOWTO.html :)
[03:50] <|m0rph|> i've updated to firefox 1.0 and since then my X doest start, i need to kill a bunch of processes then startx
[03:50] <potato> Treenaks, so why do you ask then if you've got the right howto ?
[03:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: I just googled it up
[03:50] <potato> you prolly need the appropriate crypto support compiled into your kernel
[03:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: but maybe there'd be an easier integrated ay to do it
[03:51] <potato> I don't really see the point of putting your whole root into an encrypted file system
[03:51] <MaFioZoX> hey I need help...
[03:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, my /home then..
[03:51] <potato> easier to just put your data into some crpyted loop for or such
[03:52] <potato> and mount it in your /home/username if you must
[03:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: well, it's my laptop, so I have to mount it if I want to log in...
[03:53] <ogra> jdub, Kamion, or anybody else from the team ?
[03:54] <|m0rph|> i've updated to firefox 1.0 and since then my X doest start, i need to kill a bunch of processes then startx
[03:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: did you update the package?
[03:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: or did you install some other version?
[03:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: the only way to upgrade to 1.0 reliably is by using the package in hoary -- if you don't want hoary, stick with 0.9.3
[03:56] <|m0rph|> i've updated
[03:56] <|m0rph|> used the hoary package
[03:57] <|m0rph|> but now i cant boot X without killing all processes
[03:57] <|m0rph|> is says " an X window is already running do you wish do try another screen server .... "
[03:58] <will> ogra: you part of the ubuntu development?
[03:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: use all of hoary or all of warty, not a mi9x
[03:58] <ogra> will: nope....
[03:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |m0rph|: and don't try to run 2 Xs at the same time..
[03:58] <potato> you can run 2 Xs
[03:58] <stonegu1> Will: OK. Says the ports are stealthed. A win98 bos on my lan says the same thing, so it must be the router.
[03:58] <potato> but you have to tell it to use another display
[03:58] <potato> and another user
[03:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) potato: yes, but not by default
[03:59] <ogra> will: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MaintainerCandidates  :)
[03:59] <|m0rph|> i've only updated do firefox
[03:59] <|m0rph|> and then that happened
[03:59] <|m0rph|> i'm not starting 2 x's
[04:01] <will> stonegul: sounds right. Ubuntu never seems to block any ports...good luck with the router!
[04:06] <steini> hi out there...
[04:06] <Talliesin> hi in here...
[04:06] <steini> which packages must be installed to play DVD with totem
[04:06] <steini> I installed totem-xine already...
[04:06] <ogra> steini: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:07] <ogra> hi btw.....
[04:08] <steini> ogra, yes I know I've to instal that libdvdcss but I can't find it with apt-get :)
[04:08] <eduncan> whats the best way to update the kernel in Ubuntu?
[04:09] <ogra> steini: enabled universe and the marillat repository as described on the page ?
[04:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) steini: read the page better.
[04:10] <ogra> eduncan: synaptic ?
[04:10] <steini> ogra, I've already added multiverse and universe
[04:10] <ogra> steini: and marillat ?
[04:10] <steini> ogra, well I see...I forgot that ;)
[04:10] <kensai> steini, you need marillat
[04:10] <steini> thankyou :9
[04:11] <steini> perhaps I should really read more carefully *g
[04:11] <kensai> steini, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[04:11] <ogra> steini: kein problem ;)
[04:12] <BWF89> hey everyone im back
[04:13] <BWF89> could someone help me out with this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5605
[04:13] <BWF89> is anone there?
[04:14] <lemsx1> BWF89, you are kidding right?
[04:14] <BWF89> im a linux newv
[04:14] <lemsx1> BWF89, you are installing stuff to the read-only CD?
[04:14] <BWF89> it trys to install to the cd?
[04:15] <BWF89> I thought it used ram
[04:15] <lemsx1> BWF89, no, it gets upacked (like WinZip does). you have to extract it... and then you would install it to the hard disk... you can't do that running from the live CD
[04:15] <BWF89> ok
[04:16] <lemsx1> if you have enough ram you could, in theory, do a huge tmpfs partition and install it there
[04:16] <BWF89> so if I was running Ubuntu from the HDD it would just go to the setup program when I clicked the file I downloaded?
[04:16] <lemsx1> if you were running it from the HD, then it would act as you would expect
[04:16] <BWF89> ok
[04:16] <lemsx1> apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[04:16] <lemsx1> would install it for you
[04:16] <BWF89> I thought linux sucked because of this
[04:16] <BWF89> good thing you helped out and didn't ruin it for me
[04:16] <lemsx1> np
[04:17] <lemsx1> linux does suck though
[04:17] <lemsx1> just less than windows
[04:17] <BWF89> whys that
[04:17] <lemsx1> :-)
[04:17] <BWF89> oh
[04:17] <BWF89> how to i make icons smaller?
[04:17] <lemsx1> because linux is not ready yet
[04:17] <BWF89> what doyou mean not ready
[04:17] <lemsx1> smaller? you must be a young dude
[04:17] <BWF89> 14
[04:17] <greg__> lemsx1:: do u suggest that windows is ready?
[04:17] <BWF89> I told you im a linux newb
[04:17] <lemsx1> don't take my words literally
[04:17] <lemsx1> greg__, no, windows sucks more than linux... read again
[04:18] <BWF89> ready for what? Linux is mainly for servers
[04:18] <BWF89> but it's starting to get into desktops
[04:18] <lemsx1> BWF89, it's not "ready" i should've written
[04:18] <greg__> lemsx1:: dooh.. right :)
[04:18] <lemsx1> BWF89, ready is a subjective term
[04:18] <lemsx1> greg__, ;-) lol np
[04:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) BWF89: I disagree, its already got a good chunk of the desktop right, it has a few things missing -- also as lemsx1 suggests, its a subjective term
[04:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) linux for me, is a far better desktop than windows ever has been
[04:19] <deFrysk> windows is not ready for the internet yet
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) same for my mum
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and shes not computer literate at all
[04:19] <deFrysk> so better not use it
[04:19] <greg__> lemsx1:: my advocacy mode turned on too quickly :)
[04:19] <lemsx1> BWF89, yeah, because of those "little" things missing is not fully ready... perhaps 2 more years
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) she has a bit of an idea but nothing fancy
[04:19] <BWF89> anyway, how do I make the icons smaller?
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) under liinux all her stuff including the scanner just works
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) under winows its a nightmare
[04:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and we've never used any other OS so
[04:19] <lemsx1> deFrysk, I couldn't agree more. windows is not a multi-user system ready (or network aware by that matter)
[04:20] <lemsx1> greg__, keep evengelizing
[04:20] <kensai> Windows is pre-internet technology
[04:20] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: and that feature udner linux works to its disadvantage, or well it has, its getting alotbetter
[04:20] <daniels> dudes, offtopic
[04:20] <lemsx1> BWF89, in Nautilus Preferences you have a choice to make icons a certain size by default ... 50% 100% etc...
[04:20] <will> Lathiat: glad your mum is following the trend :)
[04:20] <kent> BWF89, you can rightclick on the icons and choose to stretch them. Not sure if its spelled like that, since im using another translation. But, its there in the menu if you rightclick on icons.
[04:20] <Karnaugh> is there any difference between doing apt-get install foo, and aptitude install foo?
[04:21] <kent> BWF89, di as lemsx1 sais. Hes right, and im sort of wrong ;)
[04:21] <BWF89> oh
[04:21] <BWF89> that's cool
[04:21] <lemsx1> Karakth, aptitude rocks and apt-get is simple... apt-get works great for most, but aptitude is best for everything else
[04:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: somewhat, aptitude pulls in recommended packages, which can be good, it more or less does the same thing tho
[04:21] <BWF89> I can make my most used icons bigger and my less used ones smaller :)
[04:21] <BWF89> but is there a way for me to make ALL of them the same size
[04:21] <Karnaugh> Lathiat: ahh
[04:22] <lemsx1> Karnaugh, just remember to open aptitude by itself first, and remove those pesky uninstallation options (automatic stuff)
[04:22] <Karnaugh> lemsx1: hmm?
[04:22] <Karnaugh> lemsx1: I dont see how apt-get is easier, i mean its the same command line
[04:22] <lemsx1> BWF89, nautilus -> preferences ... look for it in the first tab
[04:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: ive never had an issue with that?
[04:23] <Karakth> ...
[04:23] <Karnaugh> I thought aptitude like auto resolved dependencies, warned you of bugs in packages etc as well though
[04:23] <mirak> why the hell I have no sound when trying to rip a CD exept when using cdfs module ?
[04:23] <lemsx1> Karnaugh, they are both easy... aptitude makes your life simpler by being "smarter" about certain things
[04:23] <BWF89> nautilus?
[04:23] <BWF89> you mean: computer->desktop preferences
[04:24] <lemsx1> BWF89, i'm sorry... click on the HOUSE icon and go to Edit->Preferences
[04:24] <lemsx1> BWF89, what used to be Explorer in windows (to manage your folders and files) here is called "Nautilus"
[04:24] <BWF89> live doesn't have a house icon that I can see
[04:25] <madsen> Hmm, I used my old grub when installing Ubuntu (specifically asked it to NOT install a bootloader), but it can't mount the hd partition /dev/hda1 when booting. Any clues.
[04:25] <lemsx1> mirak, perhaps your CDrom is not attached to your sound card?
[04:25] <lemsx1> madsen, you are sure that /dev/hda1 is a valid partition? not swap or something
[04:26] <lemsx1> Lathiat, some times aptitude decides that a package has not been used for N number of days and it decides to remove it... and this creates a chain of things that needs to be removed... but you might not want that
[04:26] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: hmm, ive never seen that
[04:26] <lemsx1> Lathiat, that's why i always turn off this feature in Aptitude's ui dependancy menu
[04:27] <natex> madsen, what error message do you get?
[04:27] <lemsx1> Lathiat, run aptitude by itself and go to the "GUI" and you will see those options... if they are off, turn them on and use it for a few days :-) you will see
[04:27] <BWF89> thanks for the help, I'm going to go explore the world of open source
[04:27] <madsen> lemsx1: Pretty sure, it ran winxp before, then I reformatted it to ext3 and installed ubuntu on it.
[04:27] <madsen> natex: That I can't mount the partition.
[04:28] <natex> can you mount it after you boot?
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) god damnit
[04:28] <will> mjr: u there?
[04:28] <lemsx1> madsen, but at least you can start up in Linux? i'm not following what you mean by "mount" here
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i just accidentally removed my downloaded package lists
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) by hitting the wrong key in aptitude ;)
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) gah
[04:28] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im on dialup :(
[04:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) sigh
[04:29] <will> Lathiat: why dialup?
[04:29] <lemsx1> Lathiat, oops... happy accident
[04:29] <natex> madsen, can you mount the partition after you have booted into linux
[04:29] <yz> some folks cant get anything better than dialup, such as myself
[04:29] <will> mjr: i fixed it by adding a specific amount of memory to use under devices
[04:29] <lemsx1> Lathiat, i have a mkisofs.pl script that takes a local mirror (done with apt-move update) and makes as many CDs as needed for "backup" purposes... want it?
[04:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: because its all i have?
[04:30] <cuga> is their a way to make apt stop bugging me about xlibmesa ? i have accelerated drivers but anytime i upgrade anything it complains it wants to overwrite that, which i don't want it to
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hell at hom ei dont have any net access at all
[04:30] <lemsx1> Lathiat, i mean, for later because you messed up already :-)
[04:30] <will> Lathiat: are you in america?
[04:30] <madsen> lemsx1: I'm running a debian on the side. :)
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: australia
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: broadband costs alot more here than america, canada, etc
[04:30] <madsen> natex: Yeah :)
[04:30] <lemsx1> cuga, aptitude hold xlibsmesa
[04:30] <will> Lathiat: is connections on modem good there?
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: and im 17 so im not rolling in money :)
[04:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: its as good as any modem connection
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: sucks for SSH when your downloading stuff, lags really badly
[04:31] <yz> dialup stinks everywhere
[04:31] <natex> madsen, ok then you need to edit /etc/fstab to include that partition
[04:31] <lemsx1> madsen, cool... any icon that open any window (folder) is fine
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) lemsx1: its ok i goto Uni tomorrow or monday so i can get the packages there at 200K/s or something
[04:31] <will> Lathiat: in sweden we get 100mbit mmmmm
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: heh
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: i wish :(
[04:31] <will> i only have 8mbit though
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im at my mums so i can dialup
[04:31] <lemsx1> Lathiat, you can go to a public library and get T3 access :-)
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) go tno net axs at home at all
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hoping to get 256k adsl at some point soon
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) best you can get here is 1.5mbit adsl
[04:31] <yz> i on 28.8 modem in the usa, i cant get any better
[04:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) you can get 10mbit cable in some parts
[04:32] <madsen> natex: But grub won't even boot from the partition... I can't boot Ubuntu.
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yz: i feel your pain
[04:32] <madsen> lemsx1: What?
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i was on 28.8 for a year only 6 months ago
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im on 36.6 now
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) slightly better
[04:32] <yz> cable company wants to charge me $25,000 to install cable tv and internet
[04:32] <yz> dsl not available
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) yz: woo $25k
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i got that in my petty cash drawwer!
[04:32] <lemsx1> madsen, sorry madsen. disregard :-) ... got confused for a bit...
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) NOT
[04:32] <will> Lathiat: dont u have a 56kbps?
[04:32] <yz> phone line wont go faster than 28,000
[04:32] <madsen> lemsx1: Hehe, np. :)
[04:32] <lemsx1> madsen, you can boot from grub, it's a matter of knowing where you put /boot
[04:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: can get up to 44, but it sucks (bad modem or phone line or something i think(
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: so i limited it to 33.6
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: getting > 44 in perth is rare with our phone lines
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and dsl goe sup to 1.5mbit
[04:33] <will> Lathiat: jesus did u download Ubuntu?
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) thats not available in all homes tho
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: not at home :)
[04:33] <Talliesin> Poor ppl. Here's me complainging about rarely getting above 400
[04:33] <madsen> lemsx1: I'm trying with  root (hd0,0)  kernel /boot/vmlinuz-blablabla  initrd /boot/blablabla
[04:33] <will> cool
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: uwa computer club, 60mbit to the world
[04:33] <natex> Talliesin, hehe
[04:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: i used to follow debian unstable and GNOME cvs on my dialup, however
[04:33] <will> mmm
[04:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: and yes, it sucked
[04:34] <lemsx1> madsen, that means that /boot is in /dev/hda1 when you mount it right?
[04:34] <pauloslf> himppl
[04:34] <madsen> lemsx1: yup
[04:34] <Deft> has anyone had major IMAP problems in hoary's Evolution version?
[04:34] <lemsx1> guys, you can go to #ubuntu-offtopic and talk about DSL and upload speed :-) no offense to anyone though :-)
[04:34] <yz> ok lexsm1
[04:35] <pauloslf> someone here knows how to install netstumbler at ubuntu?
[04:35] <lemsx1> Deft, what version of Evolution is that? go to Help->About ... 2.1 is a Lemon. so downgrade to 2.0.x
[04:36] <lemsx1> madsen, hd(0,0) should be all you need ... why do you put /boot in grub's command line editing mode?
[04:36] <Deft> lemsx1, ah, exactly what I was planning then; is that just as it is currently, or is 2.1 not going to be a release version?
[04:36] <lemsx1> madsen, you only specify boot when /boot is mounted in a separate partition
[04:37] <cuga> lemsx1, I dont use aptitute, is their another way, with just an apt config file?
[04:37] <lemsx1> Deft, i'm not sure what the deal is with 2.1... i just know is bad and people complaint about not being able to connect to imap4 (exchange)
[04:37] <lemsx1> cuga, echo "xlibmesa hold" | dpkg --set-selection
[04:38] <lemsx1> cuga, make sure you read the man pages for "dpkg"
[04:38] <lemsx1> cuga, you can also use synaptic and use Force Version from the menu
[04:39] <lemsx1> pauloslf, what's netstumbler? what does it do?
[04:39] <madsen> lemsx1: Uhm, isn't it the other way around? When /boot is part of /, then it should be /boot/kernel and when /boot is a separate partition it's /kernel?
[04:39] <Deft> hmm, installing warty's evo wants to blow away half of gnome
[04:39] <pauloslf> found's wireless network's
[04:39] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, ping
[04:39] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Deft: not surprised
[04:39] <lemsx1> madsen, where did you get that from?
[04:39] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Deft: bad idea
[04:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: pong
[04:40] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, think i see the problem, hotplug isn't in /etc/rc2.d anymore, what's the easiest way to add it?  it's also not in /etc/rcS.d ... ?
[04:40] <lemsx1> Deft, why not use tbird? or simply apt-get source evolution (from warty) and recompile with: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot
[04:40] <lemsx1> Deft, of course, you would need to edit the "control" file inside the "debian" directory
[04:40] <Deft> going to use thunderbird for a while, see how it's come on in the last couple of versions
[04:41] <lemsx1> Deft, and the changelog (increase the version or something
[04:41] <huttan> anyone know why my gaim wont resize to be as slim as i want it to be?
[04:41] <Deft> see if I can live without my calendar until the next evo update
[04:41] <lemsx1> Deft, tbird rocks... just feels like a "webpage"
[04:41] <lemsx1> huttan, remove the text from the icons in the buddy list
[04:41] <natex> Deft, I am using Evo on warty no problems
[04:41] <Deft> that sounds different to 0.6 or so when I last used it
[04:41] <Deft> natex, are you using IMAP?
[04:42] <lemsx1> natex, that's 2.0 right? he's talking about 2.1
[04:42] <madsen> lemsx1: Memory... I just recalled it that way...
[04:42] <natex> Deft, oh, no sorry I missed that part.
[04:42] <madsen> lemsx1: It also fits well with how my Debian boots atm...
[04:42] <will> anyone know how to disable the sound server in Ubuntu temporarily?
[04:42] <natex> lemsx1, yeah, you're right I'll pipe down now ;)
[04:42] <lemsx1> madsen, everything should be in /boot (no /kernel) unless ubuntu does something else now (i didn't notice that before)
[04:42] <huttan> lemsx1, cant find how to do that
[04:43] <lemsx1> will, talking about esound?
[04:43] <stuNNed_> does hotplug init script go in /etc/rcS.d or /etc/rc2.d ?
[04:43] <lemsx1> will, go to Preferences:/// and open Sound control panel
[04:44] <will> lemsxl: thanks
[04:44] <lemsx1> stuNNed, $> ls /etc/rcS.d/*plug*
[04:44] <lemsx1> /etc/rcS.d/S40hotplug@
[04:44] <stuNNed_> lemsx1, thanks
[04:44] <stuNNed_> lemsx1, what's the easiest way to add it? just symlink it?
[04:44] <lemsx1> huttan, go to Gaim->preferences and take it one preference window at a time
[04:45] <lemsx1> huttan, it's closed to the top
[04:45] <huttan> lemsx1, kk
[04:45] <lemsx1> stuNNed, don't think so... you might want to read: man update-rc.d
[04:45] <lemsx1> stuNNed, but: ln -s /etc/init.d/hotplug .... would do it
[04:45] <stuNNed_> lemsx1, ok thanks
[04:45] <lemsx1> stuNNed, i'd just do it the "right" way
[04:46] <lemsx1> well guys... nice helping you for this morning... now my brain is up to speed
[04:46] <lemsx1> bbl
[04:47] <huttan> lemsx1, ah, thanks =)
[04:47] <lemsx1> huttan, np
[04:48] <madsen> lemsx1: Kernel is at: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-386 and initrd at: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386, so I should just remove /boot from those paths in menu.lst?
[04:48] <lemsx1> madsen, nope
[04:48] <lemsx1> madsen, use update-grub and let it do what's right
[04:48] <nimc> anyone knows if/how it's possible to have totem use alsa audio output for dmix ?
[04:48] <will> rrrrr!
[04:49] <lemsx1> nimc, check under Advanced preferences for multimedia sinks
[04:49] <lemsx1> nimc, gstreamer lets you choose your output sinks and so on
[04:49] <huttan> lemsx1, you know if there is anyway to see how the initrd that follows with the ubuntu install is made? Other than mounting it as a loop
[04:49] <nimc> lemsx1, totem-xine i meant
[04:49] <stuNNed_> damn soundcard isn't detected again
[04:50] <lemsx1> huttan, i believe all that stuff is decided from /etc/ dir (some file there. i forgot where is it. read initrd-tools documentation)
[04:50] <madsen> lemsx1: Uhm, I'm not familiar with update-grub... I usually just edit menu.lst by hand...
[04:50] <lemsx1> nimc, uh, that's a different beast ... i don't know that
[04:50] <madsen> lemsx1: Mind you, I'm using the grub from my Debian install.
[04:51] <nimc> lemsx1, i dont think i have these advanced prefs.... anyone else knows maybe?
[04:51] <lemsx1> nimc, that's part of gstreamer-*
[04:52] <lemsx1> nimc, Applications->Preferences->Advanced->Multimedia System Selector
[04:52] <lemsx1> nimc, definitely not Xine
[04:52] <lemsx1> nimc, you might want to see what can you do from a .xinerc or something (all UNIX apps are like that)
[04:53] <nimc> lemsx1, which movie formats does gstreamer support ? i think none ?
[04:53] <lemsx1> nimc, gstreamer is a framework... as many as you want to install (and have been written) ... it's not as stable as xine, so, don't worry about it for a year or so
[04:54] <lemsx1> nimc, install all the gstreamer libs anyway, they are nice to have
[04:54] <huttan> lemsx1, ah yeah, i know how it works somewhat, just wanted to make a copy of ubuntus initrd to a 2.6.9 kernel, since it boots so nice offa my sata disks
[04:54] <nimc> lemsx1, any movie codecs have been written for gstreamer yet ?
[04:55] <ogra> nimc: http://www.fluendo.com/
[04:55] <lemsx1> huttan, that's the wrong thing to do. you should just compile your 2.6.9 kernels the right way (with make-kpkg) and let pass --initrd during compilation. when you install it it will create the right initrd
[04:56] <huttan> lemsx1, really? nice
[04:56] <lemsx1> nimc, i'm not sure, but you might want to read gstreamer-devel mailing list (i'm a member and i see all kinds of tricks being done for encoding movies from C/comand line etc...)
[04:57] <huttan> lemsx1, just add the --initrd flag to make-kpkg command ?
[04:57] <lemsx1> now i'm really leaving ... ttyl
[04:57] <lemsx1> huttan, no, you need more than that
[04:57] <lemsx1> huttan, use my script: http://www.latinomixed.com/downloads/make-kpkg.sh.gz
[04:58] <runixd> a quick question, warty hoary grumpy perky ?
[04:58] <runixd> what is what?
[04:59] <Riddell> runixd: the codenames for the versions of ubuntu
[04:59] <runixd> I'm not stupid
[04:59] <nimc> anyone knows of programs that support dmix except alsaplayer?
[04:59] <Rene_S> warty is the current stable
[04:59] <runixd> yeah, and the rest?
[05:00] <Rene_S> hoary is in development
[05:00] <voth> anyone know why the 1cd install of ubuntu seems to be a laptop one ?
[05:00] <lemsx1> wow. i'm impressed... cdrecord fails to write a disc, but nautilus-cd-burner works like a charm (2.6.9 kernel... not as root)
[05:00] <Rene_S> grumpy and perky are ideas
[05:00] <Rene_S> for future releases
[05:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) voth: What makes you think it is a laptop-specific install?
[05:00] <runixd> ahh I see
[05:00] <huttan> lemsx1, nice...that script automaitcally makes an initrd ?
[05:00] <runixd> which one is closest to unstable?
[05:01] (mjr/#ubuntu) lemsx1, I think it calls cdrecord, so you're just doing something differently
[05:01] <Rene_S> hoary
[05:01] <runixd> great, thank you
[05:01] <voth> there is a line i see during the boot process that actually say's laptop (unfortunately, i don't recall the exact wording of that sentence)
[05:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) voth: It could be anything, anyway I assure it its not laptop specific and nothing to worry about..
[05:02] <pauloslf> hi
[05:02] <Rene_S> Ill send you my bill in the mail :)
[05:03] <stuNNed_> can someone help me with my soundcard not being detected after compiling ubuntu sources custom kernel and how do i get all network devices (ppp0, ath0, eth0) to be in the default runlevel?
[05:04] <pauloslf> anyone ca explain me how did i execute a program that i just instal?? i made ./configure then make then make install
[05:04] <runixd> stuNNed, you add devices as auto in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:04] <runixd> damn, what a userbase
[05:04] <runixd> pauloslf, just run executable
[05:05] <natex> pauloslf, do you know where the executable is located?
[05:05] <pauloslf> it shoul be at the directory where the tar was... i think
[05:05] <pauloslf> ...
[05:05] <stuNNed_> runixd, damn what a userbase?
[05:05] <runixd> pauloslf, go into /src directory of the stuff you compiled, or whatever its called there, after make all the executables will be there
[05:06] <runixd> or the ones you want at least
[05:06] <runixd> ignore that stuNNed_
[05:06] <natex> pauloslf, if you did "make install" the executable will probably be in /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin
[05:07] <spacey`ki> stuNNed what kind of soundcard
[05:07] <SuperQ> b0nk
[05:08] <spacey`ki> stuNNed_, ? what card? and does it show up in dmesg?
[05:08] <runixd> why doesn't it let me to force install http instead of cd
[05:08] <runixd> *from http/ftp
[05:09] <ogra> runixd: it ?
[05:09] <runixd> the installer
[05:09] <runixd> it just hang in error loop, saying it couldn't find hoary on cd
[05:09] <Majestic|Linux> when is the new version coming out
[05:10] <spacey`ki> Majestic|Linux, see website
[05:10] <kris_> what is the best way to autostart an app in gnome (user based)? and is it best to use /etc/init.d for system-wide apps (daemons)?
[05:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: in gnome, its under computer->desktop preferences->sessions->startup programs
[05:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: and for system stuff you usually use /etc/init.d etc, yes
[05:12] <kris_> Lathiat: thanks
[05:12] <kris_> about firestarter: is it any good?
[05:13] <kris_> -orelse what are the alternatives?
[05:14] <kris_> (firewalls...)
[05:15] <tewny> i'm a newbie.  i was curious if linux could be used to assign a domain to a box otherwise hosted by an isp.
[05:17] <runixd> linux has nothing to do with it
[05:17] <tewny> i thought hoary had not been released ?
[05:17] <kris_> what firewall application would you recommend? really don't have so much time to figure out to do it by hand -iptables...
[05:17] <kris_> currently have firestarter, but... -any suggestions?
[05:18] <runixd> kris_, everything is based around iptables
[05:18] <kris_> i know,
[05:18] <runixd> kris_, there are scripts which can configure stuff for you
[05:18] <runixd> alot of them
[05:18] <kris_> i know.
[05:18] <tewny> runixd are you saying that would have to be done from the isps end ?
[05:19] <kris_> runixd: so firestarter is not your recomendation?
[05:21] <kris_> runixd: ok, so name your script as an e.g.
[05:21] <runixd> kris_, no
[05:21] <runixd> tewny, no
[05:21] <runixd> kris_, sec
[05:21] <ogra> kris_: what for do you want a filrewall in ububuntu ?
[05:22] <runixd> firewall-jay
[05:22] <kris_> ogra: because i am on the internet....
[05:22] <kris_> runixd: thank you
[05:22] <runixd> np
[05:22] <ogra> kris_: all ports are closed by default, firewalls only close ports....so no need for a fw if there are no open ports ;)
[05:23] <runixd> ogra, firewall doesn't just close ports
[05:23] <runixd> and there is need for firewall
[05:23] <ogra> kris_: as long as you dont open them manually a firewall has no use on ubuntu....
[05:23] <kris_> ogra: plus, who sais that I don't have other ports open?
[05:23] <ogra> runixd: what for ?
[05:24] <ogra> kris_: if you run a default ubuntu there are no open ports....
[05:24] <runixd> alot of stuff, packet filtering, icmp filtering, etc etc
[05:24] <kris_> ogra: I somewhere read about DOS attacks,.........
[05:25] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: you cant do *anything* about DOS attacks, its life
[05:25] <will> ogra: how would you list open ports?
[05:25] <ogra> kris_: so you opened up anything manually that you want to filter ?
[05:26] <kris_> netstat?
[05:26] <drac> Lathiat, yes u can do *something* bout DOS attacks
[05:26] <ogra> will: install nmapfe and do a scan ....
[05:26] <drac> if you are the sysadmin of the network being attacked
[05:27] <runixd> kris_, running well configured ip tables is a good idea, dispite running or not any services
[05:27] <ogra> will: to your ip, not to 127.0.0.1
[05:27] <runixd> ogra, it doesn't matter, as long as ip resolves to localhost loop devices will be used
[05:27] <_scp> ok.. I give up... what do I use to burn cd's now the 2.6.8 broke cd burning. Ubuntu is my first experience with 2.6.x
[05:27] <huttan> is it anyway to get more than 1 program to use /dev/dsp? So i can like use skype and listen to mp3 at the same time
[05:28] <runixd> ok gtg
[05:28] <ogra> runixd: argh, right.....
[05:28] <ogra> will: so better do it from another pc :)
[05:29] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) drac: well it depends on the DoS [i.e. packet slamming or some service bug, but most people refer to packet slamming when they use the term DoS] , but in general, as a home user, you cant do diddly squat
[05:29] <kris_> runixd: thank you for the tip, but still: since firestarter basically does the same thing (i assume), why configure iptables via scripting? having a gui is nice...
[05:30] <ogra> Lathiat: anyways, on dialup poff/pon will solve it *g*
[05:30] <kris_> runixd: so what exactly is why jay script is better than firestarter app?
[05:30] <Gwildor> lathiat, couldnt you just restart your modem, and grab a new ip?
[05:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: not if you have a static ip
[05:30] <will> how can you start the sound server from within x?
[05:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) andnot if they are chasing your IP on irc
[05:30] <drac> Lathiat, of course but some DOS are also used to crash a box with packet slamming ...
[05:30] <ogra> Lathiat: hmm, on dialup ?
[05:30] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) or some other medium
[05:31] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: you can get static ips on dialup over here pretty easily
[05:31] <huttan> is it anyway to get more than 1 program to use /dev/dsp? So i can like use skype and listen to mp3 at the same time
[05:31] <drac> huttan of course
[05:31] <ogra> Lathiat: hmm, i couldnt imagine a german provider offering this.....
[05:31] <drac> use a sound deamon
[05:32] <drac> like esd or artsd
[05:32] <drac> ...
[05:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: well, it happens here :)
[05:32] <kris_> runixd: ?
[05:32] <ogra> Lathiat: but then it wouldnt help.....youre right :)
[05:32] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: i used to run an irc network that attracted alot of DoS, i know :)
[05:33] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stupid skrept kiddiez
[05:33] <huttan> drac, nice
[05:33] <ogra> Lathiat: cmon, the are the programmers of tomorrow *shiver*
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: haha :)
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: your funny :)
[05:34] <ogra> :)
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ill admit to having slight irc kiddiesh actions once
[05:34] <huttan> drac, but how do i get my programs to understand what to use ?
[05:34] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) nuked a channel for some mirc script with a backdoor in it using flooders on my dialup -- i consider it a service so i dont feel guilty about it :)
[05:34] <huttan> drac, or eassier...what device should they use? regular /dev/dsp ?
[05:35] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) flooded the channel, got set invite only, flooded off the only op which was a bot
[05:41] <huttan> drac, i make esd use the device /dev/dsp ?
[05:41] <drac> yes and then you tell xmms to use esd
[05:41] <drac> gaim to use esd
[05:41] <ogra> huttan: esd already uses it .... by default
[05:42] <ogra> huttan: just tell the apps to use esd
[05:42] <drac> and then you have sound being played live, by all your software using esd
[05:42] <huttan> ogra, kk
[05:42] <huttan> brb
[05:44] <pauloslf> what does this mean: configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
[05:44] <ogra> pauloslf: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:44] <ogra> pauloslf: there seems no compiler installed....
[05:45] <pauloslf> i have to execute that comand fisrt?
[05:46] <ogra> pauloslf: you can install build-essential with synaptic or with the command above, it will pull in everything necessary for compiling
[05:48] <kris_> Lathiat: why do you think firestarter is not a recomended firewall?
[05:49] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kris_: I never said that
[05:49] <stuNNed_> godamn buggy dell bios :D
[05:50] <kris_> Lathiat: ok, let me rephrase: why would _you_ not recommend it?
[05:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: spam them about it ;
[05:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ;)
[05:50] <kris_> Lathiat: based on your vast experience when the fw was most needed...
[05:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) kr	never used it, so I have no opinion
[05:50] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, everything working with a few kernel boot arguments :D still haven't tested godamn linuxant drivers with no piix as modules though
[05:50] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, /me spams away :D
[05:50] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: what dell product do you have?
[05:51] <stuNNed_> Lathiat, all working now, dell inspiron 8200 laptop
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: ah cool, hows that going for you?
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im ponering getting a dell inspiron 510m
[05:51] <stuNNed_> what actually does nolapic do?
[05:51] <stuNNed_> Lathiat, it's ok once you get around the dell bios bugs
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i wish the AU models shiped a SXGA+ 14.1" version
[05:51] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: it disables the local apic
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) 15" is too big but you can only get it in XGA
[05:51] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: yeh i know about those
[05:52] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, what is local apic?  sharing irq's or something right?
[05:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.adriansrojakpot.com/Speed_Demonz/New_BIOS_Guide/APIC_Function.htm
[05:53] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, thanks mate
[05:55] <stuNNed_> Treenaks, will i see system slowdown with nolapic?
[05:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: not likely
[05:55] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) stuNNed_: or not much anyway
[05:57] <Gwildor> guys, since my hoary upgrade i dont have sound from ET anymore, can anyone help?
[05:58] <Gwildor> nvm, gotta go, ill fix it later
[05:59] <daveon> nas
[05:59] <daveon> existen los paquetes de monodevelop en ubuntu?
[06:00] <daveon> sorry
[06:00] <daveon> are avaliable in ubuntu monodevelop packages
[06:00] <daveon> ?
[06:00] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) daveon, si ... uno momeno :)
[06:01] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[06:01] <ogra> daveon: tseng ^^^^
[06:01] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) ogra, that's what i was looking for
[06:01] <ogra> :)
[06:02] <wfx> hi, how can i turn off the automount function (cd's)
[06:02] <stuNNed_> ah, looks like i can get by with just acpi_irq_isa=7
[06:02] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) wfx, gnome-volume-manager
[06:03] <stuNNed_> now to test this weekend if building piix into kernel and not as module fixes the godamned linuxant issue
[06:03] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) wfx, er ... the capplet for it anyway :)
[06:03] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) wfx, gnome-volume-properties
[06:03] <ogra> wfx: computer->desktop settings->Removable Media (Wechseldatentrger in german :))
[06:04] <wfx> thx ;-)
[06:04] <unperson> So I just tried to load eBay's front page with firefox and had it just go busy and become completely unresponsive for several minutes.  Anyone else see this behavior?
[06:06] <kris_> has anybody had any bluetooth experience in ubuntu?
[06:06] <kris_> i am interested in gnokii alternatives...
[06:06] <kris_> to connect to my phone.
[06:07] <riffic> hey ubuntu chat
[06:07] <daniels> works for me fine with my sony ericsson k700i
[06:07] <kris_> so, to use as modem and to have contact (and mybe calendar) synching
[06:07] <riffic> can someone help me try to fix some hard lock problems as I am still having the same issue as yesterday
[06:08] <riffic> gnome hard locks my system when it loads
[06:08] <riffic> hoary
[06:08] <TenPlus1> hi peeps
[06:09] <TenPlus1> Can I ask the room a Q?
[06:09] <imnes> Is there a meta package of development tools available, something that will give me the typical compilers and build tools or do I need to isntall them all individually?
[06:10] <TenPlus1> Does everyone using the Ubuntu distro, do you think it's easy to use and has the s/w u need ??
[06:10] <kris_> has anybody had any bluetooth experience in ubuntu?
[06:11] <imnes> TenPlus1: yes, but I wish it could include the non-supported types, like Java, Macromedia natively instead of having to go through the extra steps to isntall them.
[06:11] <zenwhen> hey riffic
[06:11] <natex> TenPlus1, it has alot of good ubuntu packages and there is always the "universe" repository
[06:11] <tewny> its a desktop distro.  has everything you would expect a desktop distro to have though it seems a bit light to me
[06:11] <ogra> kris_: daniels answered you
[06:11] <TenPlus1> Didn't know java and flash weren't included... bummer...
[06:11] <kris_> ogra: thanks
[06:11] <ogra> kris_: :)
[06:11] <TenPlus1> but easily installed as u say...  does it have good network support for sharing the .net with others ?
[06:12] <imnes> TenPlus1: They're easy to install, just not in by default.
[06:12] <kris_> daniels: what software are u using?
[06:12] <imnes> You mean like internet connection sharing?
[06:12] <imnes> or sharing your files on the network?
[06:12] <wfx> ogra, xchat desteroy specialchars like the  in wecheseldatentrger.
[06:12] <ogra> TenPlus1: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:12] <TenPlus1> yeah... both, sharing files with a WinXP laptop and the internet connectoin also
[06:12] <ogra> wfx: oops
[06:13] <daniels> kris_: gnome-phone-manager, gnome-obex-server, bluephone
[06:13] <imnes> TenPlus1: I'm not sure, I've never tried to share my files with a windows machine.
[06:13] <kris_> daniels: and it works? syncing as well?
[06:13] <daniels> kris_: seems to
[06:14] <TenPlus1> I know you can share files/folders/printers using Samba network, it's just the Internet sharing that confuses me
[06:15] <kris_> daniels: thanks, will give it a try
[06:15] <imnes> Looks like it does have samba support in the network options.
[06:15] <TenPlus1> kewl...
[06:15] <imnes> I don't know for internet connection sharing but you can do that from the command prompt if you have to.
[06:16] <wfx> where can i find a package for cinelerra (its a movie editor -> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3)
[06:16] <TenPlus1> When installing Ubuntu, do you need 1 partition on multiple ?
[06:16] <imnes> You pick a drive, it will erase all partitions and setup itself.
[06:17] <natex> TenPlus1, one will do. You can let it pick how to partition or you can do it yourself.
[06:17] <TenPlus1> wow, easy install... :)
[06:19] <ogra> kris_:
[06:21] <ogra> kris_: hehe
[06:22] <kris_> ogra: :)
[06:22] <wfx> for what is the user hal
[06:22] <ogra> wfx: for hal ?
[06:23] <wfx> ogra, in /etc/group are entrys like this cdrom:x:24:wfx,hal
[06:23] <wfx> how is hal?
[06:23] <ogra> wfx: you know kubricks 2001 ?
[06:24] <TenPlus1> Will Ubuntu read/write to NTFS partitions ok ?
[06:24] <wfx> :) yes i have it
[06:24] <ogra> wfx: its a crazy computer :)
[06:24] <unperson> Eh, so can someone else out there with the standard warty firefox build take a look at www.ebay.com and tell me if you can view the page ok?
[06:24] <ogra> wfx: just kidding
[06:24] <ogra> wfx: its the Hardware Abstraction Layer
[06:24] <ogra> wfx: shown through your deviace manager
[06:24] <natex> TenPlus1, have you used alinux distro that writes to NTFS ok?
[06:25] <cuga> unperson,  yeah works fine, are you on an amd64?
[06:25] <TenPlus1> not really, only read from
[06:25] <unperson> cuga, Nope, just a celeron.
[06:25] <cuga> unperson, then i have no clue what the problem is, firefox 0.9.3 in ubuntu works fine
[06:25] <natex> TenPlus1, NTFS is supported by the kernel. not the distro.
[06:26] <TenPlus1> ohhh... thx for the info
[06:26] <unperson> cuga, Bizarre.  Maybe it's a video issue specific to my chipset or something.
[06:26] <natex> you bet.
[06:26] <cuga> unperson, does it crash?
[06:26] <unperson> cuga, In other words, maybe it's X that's really the problem, not actually firefox.
[06:26] <ogra> unperson: works from germany .....0.9.3 warty
[06:26] <TenPlus1> thx for the help peeps :)
[06:27] <unperson> cuga, That program becomes completely unresponsive.  But it can be shutdown with a kill -TERM.
[06:27] <ogra> unperson: other sites with this prob ?
[06:27] <unperson> ogra, Nope, it's the first and only one.
[06:28] <ogra> unperson: does it happen everytime ?
[06:28] <unperson> cuga, After it goes unresponsive, then there's come weirdness with switching between windows on that virtual desktop, though it still works if I switch using the taskbar or switch to another desktop.
[06:28] <superted> anyone got the xmms-mp4 rep?
[06:28] <unperson> ogra, Yes.
[06:28] <cuga> unperson, weird, definatly something funky
[06:29] <unperson> Well, let me try to apt-get update the lasted xserver patch just in case that miraculously fixes the issue.
[06:29] <unperson> Thanks for the info.  Useful but discouraging that it's just me.
[06:30] <WW> Has anybody edited a wiki page recently?  My cursor keys don't work in the wiki editor.
[06:31] <rip024> after reading some about ubuntu I'm little lost will dvd's play or not
[06:31] <ogra> rip024: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:32] <ogra> rip024: they will with these packages :)
[06:34] <rip024> but my guess is I will not be able to back my dvd's and cd's up true
[06:35] <ogra> rip024: why not ?
[06:36] <rip024> that's where I get lost  if I use those packages I'll be able to copy my dvd's I buy and play on my dvd player
[06:37] <ogra> rip024: i am not copying dvds, but all that i tried played fine on ,y laptop.... ripping .ogg files from audio CDs works fine....
[06:38] <ogra> rip024: i think there is als a program for copying dvd to disk in the marillat repository mentioned on the wiki
[06:38] <ogra> also
[06:38] <nils_> I just installed ubuntu, can anyone please give me a debian mirror I can add in synoptics?
[06:39] <nils_> I'am not sure if I shall have sid/sarge/stable...
[06:39] <ogra> nils_: dont do that.... all debian packages are in ubuntu
[06:39] <nils_> hmm?
[06:39] <nils_> I cannot find mplayer/xine in synoptics
[06:39] <ogra> nils_: first enable universe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[06:40] <ogra> nils_: then add marillat and multiverse: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:40] <JDahl> nils_, add multiverse, restricted to /etc/apt/sources.list. Mplayer is not in debian either, but very easy to compile from source
[06:40] <eruin> whats in marillat?
[06:40] <WW> Hey ogra, could you try something for me?  Try editing a wiki page, say WikiSandBox, and see if your cursor keys work in the editor.
[06:40] <unikum> what the comand to unpack *.tar.bz2?
[06:40] <eruin> tar xjvf *.tar.bz2
[06:41] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) unikum: tar jxvf <tarchive> or use file roller (douvble click it in nautilus)
[06:41] <ogra> WW: a sec.... away for a min....
[06:41] <yz> tar -jxf
[06:41] <JDahl> marillat is unofficial mplayer debs I think.. but mplayer works much better if you compile yourself, otherwise things like fullscreen might not work
[06:41] <eruin> anyone know of some openoffice unstable debs ?
[06:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: uh
[06:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: the "compile yourself" is gentoo fud
[06:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: the packages work fine on any debian system
[06:43] <eruin> can I safely use kernel-sources-2.6.9 instead of the linux-sources packages to compily my own ubuntu kernel?
[06:43] <eruin> e
[06:43] <rip024> hmm ogra your right well soon as my download done I'll try this  its going to be a fun night
[06:43] <JDahl> Treenaks, I know - but I could never get fullscreen mode working with marillat's packages... I works if I compile it myself
[06:44] <unikum> doesnt work with tar xjvf :( i tried the file roller but cant see /.icons with that
[06:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: change "vo=x11" to "vo=xv" in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[06:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: simple
[06:44] <rip024> any tips I have 2 harddrives  80 and 160 gig  MSI motherboard 2.2 intel pro  older 32mb ATI video card
[06:44] <eruin> unikum, you can rightclick the filelist and select show hidden
[06:44] <yz> another way unikum is to run: bunzip2 -c <file.tar.bz2> | tar -xvf-
[06:45] <kaltertee> Hi
[06:45] <yz> leave out the < and >
[06:45] <kaltertee> I've got a question
[06:45] <gen|out> ask away
[06:45] <unikum> ahh, thanks!
[06:46] <JDahl> Treenaks, hmm... I guess so, ./configure; make; make install is simple also (and avoids unofficial debs)
[06:46] <ogra> rip024: for ati 3d you will like this one: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:46] <kaltertee> I want to use kernel 2.6.9 because of acpi but after compiling ubuntu don't know my cards
[06:47] <bugz_> why ubuntu dont support auto turnoff when i shutdown the system?
[06:48] <kaltertee> @bugz_ you need acpi or apm
[06:48] <ogra> WW: where is the prob ?
[06:49] <kaltertee> @bugz_ try to change in grub
[06:49] <WW> ogra: It is strange. My cursor keys don't do anything when I am in the wiki editor. I can still type, and I can use the mouse to move to different places.
[06:49] <bugz_> kaltertee: i need acpi or apm running?
[06:49] <ogra> WW: works for me, even pg-up/dn
[06:50] <kaltertee> yes in my case it worked
[06:50] <bugz_> kaltertee: im in dual boot (fedora and ubuntu) using fedora's grub
[06:50] <rip024> thanks ya'll
[06:50] <kaltertee> ok, in the menu.lst ist acpi=off behind the ubuntu-kernel
[06:51] <kaltertee> ... just delete 'acpi=off' and try it
[06:52] <kaltertee> i want to use kernel 2.6.9 with all drivers
[06:52] <kaltertee> someone able to help me
[06:52] <riffic> zenwhen: fix my gnome plz
[06:52] <riffic> no one here wants to help me
[06:52] <zenwhen> how did you break your gnome
[06:52] <zenwhen> and what about it is broken
[06:53] <WW> ogra: Stranger still... the keys work in some pages, not others.
[06:53] <riffic> zenwhen: it locks up when it loads
[06:53] <zenwhen> riffic, I am fairly positive that the fix for gnome issues was buying me this
[06:53] <zenwhen> http://www.creative.com/zenmicro/
[06:53] <ogra> WW: did you tweak your keymap anyhow ?
[06:53] <riffic> and when i use xfce, it locks up when i launch nautilus
[06:54] <zenwhen> odd
[06:54] <riffic> zenwhen: get an ipod
[06:54] <zenwhen> I dont like ipods
[06:54] <riffic> like hard lock
[06:54] <riffic> i cant ping my machine or ssh when it locks
[06:54] <riffic> its totally fucked
[06:54] <WW> ogra: No, at least not intentionally, since I wouldn't know how to do that. )
[06:54] <zenwhen> I dont want a penny of my money going towards the continued survival of Apple Inc.
[06:55] <genr> apple will never die
[06:55] <zenwhen> riffic, did oyu upgrade to hoary?
[06:55] <riffic> yes
[06:55] <zenwhen> genr, I am glad you are a psychic.
[06:55] <zenwhen> :D
[06:55] <genr> :)
[06:55] <riffic> i've been using hoary for a couple weeks now
[06:55] <zenwhen> riffic, why>
[06:55] <zenwhen> ?
[06:55] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:55] <zenwhen> Well
[06:55] <zenwhen> I am not using hoary/.
[06:55] <riffic> it just started this after an apt-get update/upgrade a day or two ago
[06:55] <zenwhen> I cant help.
[06:55] <riffic> any way i can downgrade from hoary to warty?
[06:56] <zenwhen> Im using warty until hoary is "done".
[06:56] <genr> this is why it is developmental
[06:56] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: nope
[06:56] <riffic> or at least downgrade what is broken
[06:56] <unikum> where is ubuntu server? i get pretty good connection with apt-get
[06:56] <zenwhen> When hoary is "out", Im going to do a fresh install.
[06:56] <riffic> i need to find out what is broken first
[06:56] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: what happens?
[06:56] <riffic> because i have no idea why i'm locking
[06:56] <riffic> Lathiat: hard lock when i launch gnome
[06:56] <WW> ogra: In the pages where the cursor keys do nothing, the page-up and page-down move the whole web up and down, not the text within the editor.
[06:56] <nils_> when I run gmplayer I get "ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer 72%"
[06:56] <s0cks> Back
[06:56] <riffic> using xfce currently, but also hard locks when nautilus launches
[06:56] <nils_> any ideas which device I should use instead?
[06:57] <riffic> so I'm assuming that nautilus is doing something nauty
[06:57] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: mm nasty
[06:57] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: hard to track that one down
[06:57] <riffic> yeah
[06:57] <riffic> jdub tried to help me yesterday
[06:57] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hah
[06:57] <ogra> WW: for me it happens only on framed sites if the focus isnt in the frame .... but thats a frame issue....nothing else....
[06:57] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i might as well not bother thenhaha
[06:58] <riffic> the system is completely frozen when it happens though
[06:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: did you look for signs of stuffin logs?
[06:58] <riffic> no cursor, keyboard, can't ping or ssh
[06:58] <zenwhen> nils_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2992&highlight=mplayer
[06:58] <riffic> logs?
[06:58] <zenwhen> that will fix your iissue
[06:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: wel there are logs in /var/log
[06:58] <riffic> i'm sort of clueless
[06:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: if you look in syslog,might be some hitns as to why it crashed
[06:58] <riffic> okay let me check in there
[06:58] <ogra> riffic: probably something with your users config files, did you try to add a new user and reproduce it ?
[06:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: ahh ok be hard for you to decipher the crap in there then :)
[06:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: Maybe a fresh install to warty is the easiest choice here
[06:59] <riffic> ogra: no I didn't do that either
[06:59] <riffic> =(
[06:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: pretty harsh if a user login is causing a hard system lock tho
[06:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) sounds more like a hard drive or ram error but since its consistent thats a tad doubtful
[06:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: how much ram do you have?
[06:59] <goonie> I need help with enabling spdif on my MSI 650 Hermes machine
[06:59] <riffic> 768
[07:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) hrm
[07:00] <riffic> 3 256 dimms
[07:00] <riffic> sdram
[07:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) just thinking if it was low
[07:00] <riffic> its stable
[07:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) might be hitting swap and you mnight have bad swap
[07:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) but it won tbe that
[07:00] <riffic> its been stable for a long time
[07:00] <ogra> Lathiat: if its working with xfce its no HW issue i guess
[07:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: not necesarily, probably not, but its possible
[07:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riffic: if your around anotehr time i might have more time to help
[07:01] <ogra> Lathiat: everything is possible :)
[07:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) right now its 2am and i realy need to sleep :)
[07:01] <riffic> yeah i'm in here off and on
[07:01] <riffic> alright, get some sleep
[07:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: just like, for example, if he had bad swap, loading xfce is fairly light where as loading GNOME uses alot of memory and could cus it to start swapping and hit the bad bit, that sortof thing
[07:01] <ogra> riffic: try if it happens with a new user
[07:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: or if it was bad ram
[07:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ogra: using gnome used more that hit it , etc
[07:02] <WW> ogra: Thanks for checking.
[07:02] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) im off, laters all
[07:02] <ogra> nicght _)
[07:02] <ogra> urgh
[07:02] <ogra> night :)
[07:03] <goonie> ogra: just wanted to thank you for all your efforts when you tried to help me with my wireless network problem.. I found a solution of sorts. I have to disable eth0 for wlan0 to work properly
[07:03] <ogra> riffic: if it happens there too, its a systemwide issue, else its only about changed setup stuff
[07:03] <ogra> goonie: so it works :)  thats great !
[07:04] <goonie> ogra: yup.. finally I can use Ubuntu for everything I do :)
[07:04] <nils_> I've a ati mobility 7500, are there any guide to get tvout working?
[07:05] <riffic> should stuff like this worry me: Nov 20 13:00:46 localhost kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
[07:05] <riffic> Nov 20 13:00:46 localhost kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[07:05] <ogra> riffic: yep
[07:06] <unikum> is there any command to past into a shell? ctrl+v doesnt work...
[07:06] <riffic> =(
[07:06] <riffic> really?
[07:06] <riffic> like how badly?
[07:06] <kris_> is there anything wrong installing totem-xine and thusly removing ubuntu-desktop?
[07:07] <ogra> riffic: this are read write errors of your harddisk
[07:07] <WW> unikum: Select the text with right-click-and-drag.  Insert the text somewhere else with middle-click.
[07:07] <ogra> kris_: nope, ubuntu-desktop is a empty package
[07:08] <mirak> do you see this signs :    ?
[07:08] <WW> unikum: I mean, select with LEFT-click-and-drag.
[07:08] <ogra> i see signs !
[07:08] <WW> mirak: Old MacDonald had a farm?
[07:08] <genr> e i e i o
[07:09] <ogra> o for euro ?
[07:09] <ogra> hmm
[07:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: unofficial debs are better than no package management at all :)
[07:09] <mirak> WW: :) it was just accent tests
[07:09] (mjr/#ubuntu) mirak, they look fine
[07:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) JDahl: at least with unofficial debs you get a warning that it'll break (dependencies)
[07:09] <ogra> mirak: nice accent ;)
[07:10] <WW> mirak: Yup, they showed up fine here.
[07:10] <mirak> well I am accused of trolling on a french channel because I don't use iso-8859-15
[07:10] <ogra> mirak: utf-8 ?
[07:10] <tvon|x31> stupid french
[07:10] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mirak: explain them that UTF-8 is the way of the future
[07:11] <mirak> Treenaks: explain it to them
[07:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) or just don't use accents.. see if they care
[07:11] <mirak> they don't understand I will not change my charset each time somebody is not happy
[07:11] <mirak> utf8 only is a problem for them
[07:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) neither will they..
[07:11] <kris_> does anybody know why capitain hook died?
[07:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mirak: it's a problem for mirc..
[07:12] <kris_> -he wiped his ass with a wrong hand.....
[07:12] <genr> kris_, aligator was hungry
[07:12] <mirak> I see iso-8859-15 accent with utf8, so by definition   utf8 > iso-8859-15  , so it's logical and more practical to use
[07:12] <mirak> it
[07:12] <mirak> kris_: you want to use your phone joker ?
[07:13] <Phr0stByte> int SDL_BlitSurface(SDL_Surface *src, SDL_Rect *srcrect, SDL_Surface *dst, SDL_Rect *dstrect);
[07:13] <Phr0stByte> sorry, wrong channel
[07:13] <s0cks> So once I get the ISO file, burn that to bootable data disk?
[07:15] <kris_> mirak: did not understand u.
[07:16] <ogra> s0cks: yep
[07:16] <netmonk> hello! anyone with idea how i can erase cd-rw in Ubuntu?
[07:17] <ogra> netmonk: nautilus does it automatically ir you write it
[07:17] <kris_> netmonk: k3b?
[07:18] <ogra> if
[07:18] <diesel> I am trying to set up Ubuntu for my sister.  The wastebasket is not on the desktop (and nowhere that I can find).  How do I add the wastebasket to the desktop?
[07:19] <__randy__> diesel, you can get to it using the trash applet.  If it's not on the panel you can it to it
[07:19] <diesel> what's it to it????
[07:20] <riffic> ogra this hard drive read/write thing is sort of scaring me.. any way I could test the drive and see if its ready to fail?
[07:20] <netmonk> ogra, yes I saw that, I was just wondering if there is an option or command just for erase. Also, is there a way to set up nautilus-burn not to burn the files with root owner. After I burn the cd, the files are invisible to me, and can copy them only when i cd to /dev/cdrom. any ideas?
[07:21] <riffic> this drive is my /home dir with all my media I really would like to make sure it doesn't die without backups
[07:21] <__randy__> diesel, add it to it, sorry about that
[07:22] <diesel> That's my question, how do I add the wastebasket to the desktop?
[07:22] <ogra> netmonk: i ve never had this probs.....my cdroms are just fine on a default warty.....
[07:22] <scoon> diesel: there is a setting in the gconf editor
[07:22] <netmonk> ogra, hm...
[07:22] <s0cks> Wow.
[07:22] <s0cks> Holy crap
[07:22] <ogra> netmonk: did you tewak your system anyhow ?
[07:22] <ogra> tweak
[07:23] <netmonk> ogra, no to my knowledge ;)
[07:23] <mirak> kris_: don't matter
[07:24] <s0cks> I just need the ISO file and nothing else, right?
[07:24] <diesel> scoon, there is a lot of settings in the gconf editor.  Can you give any more specific details?
[07:24] <ogra> s0cks: yep
[07:25] <ogra> s0cks: burn a disk from it
[07:25] <s0cks> ok
[07:25] <s0cks> Thanks
[07:25] <ogra> s0cks: burn burn it sa slow as you can....
[07:25] <ogra> as
[07:25] <s0cks> Really....
[07:25] <s0cks> No 48x burn?
[07:26] <ogra> s0cks: nope.... better 8x
[07:26] <scoon> diesel:  apps -> nautilus -> desktop -> trash_icon_visible
[07:26] <s0cks> 8x is ideal?
[07:27] <diesel> scoon, thanks
[07:27] <ogra> s0cks: should be ok.... with fast burning the cd sometimes has errors, so if you get errors on cd bootup, try a slower burn
[07:28] <scoon> diesel: np
[07:28] <osiris_22> so are these 3d drivers a chore to install?
[07:29] <s0cks> ogra : Thanks for the help.
[07:30] <s0cks> 12 percent downloaded, but this is not a good time to download large files on my computer.
[07:30] <LeeColleton> is there a way to access evolution address books from openoffice?  The debian package openoffice.org-evolution isn't available in universe.
[07:30] <s0cks> I am screwing with the connection and stuff.
[07:30] <will> osiris_22:nvida or ati?
[07:31] <osiris_22> nvidia
[07:32] <will> osiris_22: go to their website...Nvidia have very good support for Linux :)
[07:32] <simont> I've mounted an ntfs partition to /media/multimedia - I can browse it as root but not my user, what permission do I need to change on this folder?
[07:32] <pepsicoda> how can i get xchat to open a new firefox window when i click a url, rather than using the contextual menu?
[07:32] <simont> I've mounted an ntfs partition to media/multimedia - I can browse it as root but not my user, what permission do I need to change on this folder?
[07:32] <osiris_22> i tried to mount my ntfs partition
[07:33] <osiris_22> but it ways it couldnt read the contents of thbe drive it ticked me off
[07:33] <El_Azar> hi
[07:33] <El_Azar> somebody from spain???
[07:33] <netmonk> simont, I don't think you can mount ntfs partition and be able to do anything else but read from it
[07:34] <will> pepsicoda: that pisses me off too
[07:34] <simont> THats all I want to d, is read the partition
[07:34] <pepsicoda> hrm
[07:35] <will> simont: you have to set the permissions man chmod
[07:35] <s0cks> a 3 megabit connection is 3000 kbits, right?
[07:36] <will> s0cks:nearly
[07:37] <will> just under 300
[07:37] <will> kb/ps
[07:37] <will> Kb/s
[07:38] <simont> will chmod 755 on media/windows work?
[07:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) simont: no
[07:39] <simont> what will TReenaks?
[07:40] <mockingbird> anyone know of a good Cad program?
[07:40] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) simont: unmounting, mount with correct options
[07:40] <socks> Done with my net tweaking
[07:40] <ogra> simont: mount it the right way
[07:40] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) simont: (i.e. just use the Disks menu)
[07:41] <simont> I have already added the partitions to my fstab file, and I can browse them from root, but not from normal user
[07:42] <socks> Had to restart the download though
[07:42] <simont> It says I do not have the necessary permissions to view the folder
[07:43] <ogra> simont: show your fstab line
[07:43] <will> Autocad
[07:44] <simont> it is /dev/hda5	/media/multimedia	ntfs	ro,user,auto	0	0
[07:46] <ogra> /dev/hda5 /media/multimedia ntfs ro,user,auto,umask=0,0,0 0 0
[07:46] <osiris_22> that wasnt so hard
[07:46] <ogra> oops, better /dev/hda5 /media/multimedia ntfs ro,user,auto,umask=000 0 0
[07:47] <im_ka> hey
[07:47] <im_ka> any1 using cedega?
[07:47] <osiris_22> im getting 700fps
[07:47] <pepsicoda> 2fps
[07:48] <im_ka> how do you install multicd games?
[07:48] <im_ka> you have to unmount a busy drive
[07:49] <FTTP> anyone want to join #ubuntu-offtopic ? to discuss the sco lawsuit against ibm
[07:49] <FTTP> i was reading thru legal briefs
[07:49] <FTTP> interesting stuff
[07:50] <mockingbird> imean for linux. ilooked at qcad and pythoncad but neither was 3d
[07:50] <im_ka> any1 using cedega?
[07:51] <simont> ogra - still getting access denied
[07:51] <cardador> im_ka: me
[07:51] <ogra> simont: did you unmount it ?
[07:51] <eruin> gnome-panel-screenshot non-existant?
[07:54] <ogra> eruin: thats hoary .... its in the next gnome upstream update i read.....
[07:54] <eruin> ah ok
[07:54] <ogra> was mover to gnome-utils
[07:54] <ogra> moved
[07:54] <simont> nope. that was the problem, thanks guys
[07:55] <eruin> bah
[07:55] <eruin> everything just works in ubuntu
[07:55] <ogra> eruin: boring eh ?
[07:55] <eruin> kind of ;P
[07:55] <ogra> :)
[07:55] <stuNNed> anyone else getting system freeze with hoary?   ...maybe gamin related ?
[07:55] <eruin> not a single freeze so far
[07:56] <eruin> now to sort quicktime for firefox
[07:57] <melanie> ubuntu question: how can i change my mouse cursors?
[07:57] <imnes> im_ka: are you using Point2Play?
[07:57] <im_ka> imnes no
[07:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: a bit
[07:57] <ogra> eruin: mozilla-plugin-vlc is pretty good in quicktime....but lacks other areas....
[07:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: but it's not really easy yet
[07:57] <imnes> Use it, makes it much easier and will let you mount / unmount CDs while installing games.
[07:58] <shwouchlepuff> hello
[07:58] <stuNNed> sorry, probably not gamin related :)
[07:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: uh...
[07:58] <melanie> treenaks: you think it's impossible?
[07:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: no, it's possible, only hard
[07:58] <shwouchlepuff> what kind of package manager does ubuntu have?
[07:58] <im_ka> i've got cedega+p2p from a dubious site (it's on our forums), and p2p doesn't work. cedega works, but i can't install multicd games
[07:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: uh.. hal/pmount are used for that in ubuntu
[07:58] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: please keep using that
[07:58] <melanie> treenaks: aha. can you tell me?
[07:59] <im_ka> imnes: i've got cedega+p2p from a dubious site (it's on our forums), and p2p doesn't work. cedega works, but i can't install multicd games
[07:59] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: it's complicated..
[07:59] <ogra> Treenaks: probably someone should package gcursor: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=125
[07:59] <imnes> I know point2play doesn't run from within the CD path so you can unmount and swap CDs easily.  It's just less of a pain in the but.
[08:00] <nils81> why do I miss smbmount?
[08:00] <shwouchlepuff> anyone?
[08:00] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: neither does hal + pmount/nautilus
[08:00] <nils81> I have samba installed
[08:00] <imnes> Maybe unmount is the wrong word now anyway, it doesn't hold the drive busy when it's not reading from a disk so you can press the eject button...
[08:00] <imnes> Whereas if you switch to the drive, and run cedega setup.exe, you can't eject the drive.
[08:01] <melanie> where can i get gcursor?
[08:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: nowhere yet.
[08:01] <shwouchlepuff> what kind of package manager does ubuntu have?
[08:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: well, you can build from source, but that, too is a) not recommended and b) hard
[08:01] <riffic> apt
[08:01] <ogra> melanie: at the url that i provided, but you had to compile it
[08:01] <imnes> im_ka how are you starting the setup program, what command you running?
[08:01] <melanie> ok. thanks.
[08:02] <s0cks> Ugh. This download takes forever.
[08:03] <shwouchlepuff> riffic, besides the 6 month updates, does it offer rolling updates?
[08:03] <im_ka> imnes: "cedega MafiaLauncher.exe" from within /mnt/cdrom/
[08:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: what do you mean? daily updates?
[08:03] <melanie> another question. which theme packages do work with ubuntu. i found some on art.gnome.org but i can't load it into the theme package manager.
[08:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: yes, but those are only for advanced users
[08:03] <__daniel> hey
[08:03] <eruin> ogra, all I need really, thanks :)
[08:03] <imnes> im_ka, switcfh to your home dir cd ~    and then run cedega /mnt/cdrom/MafiaLauncher.exe
[08:03] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: gnome 2.8 themes, icon themes, window themes should all work
[08:03] <mockingbird> hows the linux filesystem compare to the windows?
[08:03] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, how advanced?
[08:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: it's different.
[08:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: those who can figure out how to change themselves :)
[08:04] <mockingbird> treenaks: thanks
[08:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: (i.e. by reading the website thoroughly)
[08:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: you'll lose support :)
[08:04] <im_ka> imnes: trying that
[08:04] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, figure out? whats there to figure out with apt?
[08:04] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, oh, i see
[08:04] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: for some people it's magic.. don't ask :)
[08:05] <im_ka> imnes: i'll nominate you for user of the year if that works
[08:05] <mockingbird> whta is the base site for programs?
[08:05] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: "base site" ?
[08:05] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, heh
[08:05] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: just use the package manager -- it has almost everything
[08:06] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, so youre saying that if i update myself, i wont get support anymore?
[08:06] <mockingbird> as in "program files"
[08:06] <melanie> Treenaks: art.gnome.org ->  Window Borders. is this correct?
[08:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: those too
[08:06] <imnes> Is this for real?  Someone sent me a link, www.target.com and search for Anal Massage
[08:06] <imnes> lol
[08:06] <mockingbird> not everything
[08:06] <melanie> which else?
[08:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: no, just that "hoary" as it's called isn't supported yet :)
[08:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: everything worthwile
[08:06] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) melanie: don't know I don't know the site.
[08:06] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, huh?
[08:07] <shwouchlepuff> hoary?
[08:07] <mockingbird> maybe
[08:07] <Rene_S> Has anyone tried Linspire ?  I am wondering if its something  I could set up on my wifes computer and have her use it, she is pretty noobish.
[08:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: Ubuntu only supports released distributions. Hoary is not yet released and in a state of heavy flux. It'll be supported when it's released, next April
[08:07] <cardador> Rene_S: Ubuntu is better
[08:07] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, what is hoary?
[08:07] <imnes> Rene_S: I use it on my laptop.  It's nice.
[08:07] <shwouchlepuff> Treenaks, that is the rolling update distro?
[08:07] <ogra> shwouchlepuff: the unstable deveolpment branch
[08:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: the new, upcoming release.. current one is 'warty' (from 'Warty Warthog')
[08:08] <shwouchlepuff> ogra, i see
[08:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: (Hoary Hedgehog)
[08:08] <__daniel> hi ogra :-)
[08:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) shwouchlepuff: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ has details
[08:08] <shwouchlepuff> heh
[08:08] <ogra> __daniel: ooohh
[08:08] <shwouchlepuff> thanks
[08:08] <imnes> Rene_S: I think Ubuntu is better for me but for a non-technical person who just wants to be able to use it, linspire is better.
[08:08] <ogra> __daniel: hehe
[08:08] <mockingbird> ive heard of it apparently its 40 dollars
[08:08] <ogra> __daniel: drueckst dich ?
[08:08] <Rene_S> I just something she can relate too more, I suppose I could always tinker with the gnome desktop and make it more Window's like for her
[08:08] <mockingbird> linspire
[08:08] <__daniel> ogra: hab grad kein bock :-)
[08:09] <imnes> linspire will cost you $50 a year roughly for the subscription, but the click+run service is awesome.  And you get a legal licensed DVD player in it for $4.
[08:09] <Rene_S> Unless she is lying to me I doubt she can compile programs
[08:09] <Rene_S> So its not like she needs a heavy duty linux
[08:09] <cardador> Rene_S: its very easy to do that, just did it for my girlfriend. drag the top panel to the bottom, put show desktop, windows list on a single one, etc
[08:09] <osiris_22> so like do you have to defrag linux at all?
[08:10] <osiris_22> or does it stay clean its self
[08:10] <__daniel> osiris_22: stays clean
[08:10] <eruin> I wish vlc could update to gtk2
[08:10] <imnes> Rene_S: Check this out, to install any programs in Linspire you browse the site http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_categories.php  and find the program you want (most have good descriptions and screenshots) and click the little running-man icon.  It's that easy.
[08:10] <eruin> gtk1 is was and will always be ugly ;P
[08:11] <mockingbird> if youve got a dou boot system do you still have to reboot every so long for windowas?
[08:11] <osiris_22> gtk?
[08:11] <cardador> imnes: is it better/easier than synaptic?
[08:11] <osiris_22> im using lime wire for downloads
[08:11] <PotajiTo> in ubuntu you can use synaptic yo isntall everything, it haven't got screenshots, but its free
[08:11] <osiris_22> limewire
[08:12] <osiris_22> i just seem to have  aproblem with programs freezing up on me like amsn
[08:12] <osiris_22> but nothen else does it but the programs ive put on here my self
[08:12] <melanie> melanie: test
[08:12] <imnes> cardador: synaptic is easy but it's a lot more convenient.  You can browse through programs and check them out instead of having to know what you want by name.
[08:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) osiris_22: did you compile them, or install the packages
[08:12] <osiris_22> i installed them from .deb files
[08:13] <cardador> imnes: but you have to pay for it, while synaptic is free
[08:13] <imnes> Also you get some nice new-user tutorials in the system, you can view some of them from http://media.linspire.com/howto/kiosk.swf
[08:13] <PotajiTo> weel imnes there a lots of pages with software for linux with descriptriosn and screnshtos, like the spanish www.softonic.com
[08:14] <imnes> PotajiTo: I agree, but whatever it costs for linspire, $1.10 a week is worth having it to me.  All in one place easy to use.  Also you get discounts on some of the commercial software.
[08:14] <mockingbird> im having problems w/ gtkpod: whenever i close out it loses the data
[08:14] <daniels> imnes: you do know you can search for stuff in synaptic, right?
[08:14] <goonie> anyone feel like helping me with configuring sound via spdif ?
[08:15] <PotajiTo> well, i will not pay 40$ for installing 5 programs
[08:15] <Rene_S> Is the default install good to go for internet use ?
[08:15] <imnes> cardador: I guess it's the same as synaptic since they're both just front-ends to apt-get, just click+run is friendly for new users.
[08:15] <imnes> daniels yeah
[08:15] <mockingbird> what about wget
[08:16] <PotajiTo> do you know if the bug about synaptic crashing with ubuntu hoary with xorg installed can be solved now?
[08:17] <cardador> PotajiTo: i have hoary and xorg, and synaptic does not crash
[08:17] <__daniel> PotajiTo: my synaptic is fine
[08:17] <Rene_S> Thanks for the info guys, I am gonna dl the ISO and look at it,  just kinda wanted some opinions
[08:17] <imnes> daniels: Once example, if I start up synaptic and search for "media player" all I get is the program 'beep'.  But if I search the click+run for it I get all this stuff http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_search.php?q=media%20player that I can look through until I find something I want to try.
[08:18] <PotajiTo> mine closes when i click on the 90% of the packages
[08:18] <cardador> imnes: try changing the search from "name" to "name and description"
[08:18] <PotajiTo> some ppl said here that was a bug
[08:18] <ogra> imnes: have you seen the pulldown below the search entry in synaptic ?
[08:18] <PotajiTo> well, i have hoary with xorg and kde 3.3
[08:19] <imnes> yeah see, for newbies like me it's tough ;)
[08:19] <cardador> imnes: i just searched for media player and found a lot of programs
[08:19] <simont> How does xorg run?
[08:19] <huttan> imnes, use samba
[08:19] <huttan> TenPlus1, get apache and set up a webserver, it's very easy
[08:19] <huttan> TenPlus1, 1 for / and 1 for swap
[08:19] <simont> Worth upgrading to or not yet?
[08:19] <huttan> unperson, works perfect..
[08:19] <imnes> use samba for what?
[08:19] <Rene_S> Runs right by my house and forgets to install on my computer
[08:20] <huttan> how do i get mplayer to use esd as sound output ?
[08:20] <huttan> anyone know how to get mplayer working with esd ?
[08:20] <Rene_S> Look there goes that damned xorg m*&*^%f&^%$ now
[08:20] <eruin> hum, anyone know how toset the default gtk1.x theme?
[08:20] <stuNNed> will just about 100% of system freezes cured with 'noapic' kernel line?
[08:20] <cardador> simont: xorg has been very stable for me
[08:21] <eruin> simont, xorg is alot sharper than xfree here
[08:21] <cardador> simont: the only issue is when i run xcompmgr to get shadows and fade effects
[08:21] <eruin> apart from issues with my locale
[08:21] <eruin> cardador, thats a limitation of metacity
[08:21] <Rene_S> simont, aside from my poor attempt at humour xorg is quite reliable
[08:21] <imnes> Sorry guys I'm not saying synaptic sucks, it's really nice I just like the click+run thing better.  But for what it's worth I run ubuntu on my desktop that I use daily, and linspire on my laptop that I use less and share with other folks.
[08:21] <PotajiTo> xcompmgr works very nice for me indee
[08:21] <PotajiTo> d
[08:22] <eruin> PotajiTo, if you use metacity, I highly doubt that ;)
[08:22] <cardador> PotajiTo: try to enable the shadows, then run synaptic and tell me the outcome :)
[08:22] <ogra> simont: can you handle (often small sometimes bigger) breakages and a fast update cycle ?
[08:22] <PotajiTo> i use kde 3.3
[08:22] <imnes> Anybody know where I can chat with some of the wine developers?  I 'm trying to get google desktop running under linux...
[08:22] <Rene_S> I been trying to break it with Windows games all night and it never chocked once.
[08:22] <PotajiTo> it crashes cardador ;)
[08:22] <cardador> PotajiTo: bingo!
[08:22] <PotajiTo> but when i choose some packages
[08:23] <PotajiTo> but it ins't very anoying
[08:23] <ogra> eruin: try gtk-theme-switch for gtk1 stuff....
[08:23] <PotajiTo> i can pay that for having that sweeeet shadows and trasparencies
[08:23] <eruin> ogra, which package provides that?
[08:23] <ogra> PotajiTo: xcompmgr is rather unusable atm
[08:23] <eruin> ogra, nm ;)
[08:24] <cardador> PotajiTo: it only happens with synaptic?
[08:24] <ogra> eruin: gtk-theme-switch , hehe
[08:24] <Rene_S> I have a copy of a OS called Linare Linux, based on Fedora core 2, but the company never got there apt repo's up and half the os is dependant on there packages.  Looked promising but ...
[08:24] <PotajiTo> yes cardador
[08:24] <ogra> eruin: the binary is called "switch" i think.....
[08:24] <PotajiTo> it happens in more apps to you?
[08:24] <cardador> PotajiTo: hmm havent tried it that much
[08:25] <PotajiTo> I use kde 3.3 and that is the only app that crashes
[08:25] <PotajiTo> but I think that's the only gtk app I use
[08:25] <cardador> PotajiTo: ill update ubuntu from the command line and try to use it for a while
[08:25] <cardador> it=xcompmgr
[08:26] <PotajiTo> but cardador i will say that synaptic crashhes with xcompmgr and without
[08:26] <osiris_22> how do i change my screen saver in ubuntu
[08:26] <PotajiTo> since I have xorg i will say
[08:26] <cardador> PotajiTo: it only happens with xcomp for me
[08:27] <imnes> osiris_22: Click Computer Menu -> Desktop Preferences -> Screen Saver
[08:30] <imnes> Hey guys is firefox the 'official' gnome browser now or just all the distro's including it?  All the 2.8 distributions I've tried are using it instead of epiphany / galeon
[08:31] <topyli> imnes: epiphany is the gnome default
[08:31] <imnes> ok
[08:32] <cardador> PotajiTo: do you run xcompmgr every time you start your session? or do you have some script for it?
[08:33] <eruin> any dashboard debs about?
[08:33] <PotajiTo> I have an icon for it xD I just don't know how to initialize it automatically
[08:35] <Rene_S> I dont know about official, but its the most popular by the look of it
[08:38] <mockingbird> how do you upgrade to firefox 1.0?
[08:38] <imnes> I was wondering the same thing.
[08:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: wait until it's April and upgrade to hoary
[08:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Firefox 1.0 is not supported for warty.
[08:39] <imnes> Do we have to uninstall the .deb and manuall install the new version?
[08:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) no
[08:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) never do anything like that.
[08:39] <mockingbird> is there anyway to force the upgrade/package
[08:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) wait for hoary, that's the best.
[08:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: no, it depends on lots of stuff that's only in hoary..
[08:40] <topyli> mockingbird: build the hoary source package on warty
[08:40] <mockingbird> the hoary said that its not recommended for stability
[08:40] <imnes> Can you mix platforms?  If I install ubuntu amd_64 can I then install the firefox package from ubuntu i386?
[08:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) imnes: no
[08:42] <citizen_freeman> is there a way I can upgrade my packages and kernel from 32bit to 64bit without reinstalling?
[08:42] <imnes> that's no fun lol
[08:42] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) citizen_freeman: no
[08:42] <citizen_freeman> thanks
[08:42] <mockingbird> what about other packages that need to be upgraded? do you just have to wait for the next release to cetch up w/ all the programs?
[08:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: just wait for the next release.
[08:43] <imnes> I guess I can grab firefox and install within my /home directory and run my local version, leave the system's install alone.
[08:43] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mockingbird: you won't miss much anyway.. 0.9.3 is almost identical to 1.0
[08:43] <topyli> imnes: yes
[08:43] <voth> is there a nice simple way to install mplayer with all the w32 codecs ?
[08:44] <skeff> say.. after I've installed amaroK, how do I start it? Running 'amarok' gives me "Socket-path is not a link or a directory: /home/skeff/.kde/socket-core0"
[08:44] <imnes> I was playing with ff 1.0 on fedora 3 and it has a feature where it will automatically download and install plugins when pages require them, is that a firefox feature or something fedora added?
[08:44] <skeff> imnes, firefox
[08:46] (CHS/#ubuntu) 
[08:48] <mockingbird> treenaks: 9.3 wont run adblock,though, as well as other extensions, and it just has many annoyying little bugs, i run 1.0 on windows
[08:50] <RubenV> mockingbird: both current hoary and warty run adblock fine
[08:51] <mockingbird> anyone heardof /running linux on iPod, w/ the uClinux kernel?
[08:54] <ogra> Treenaks: http://www.grawert.net/ubuntu/dists/warty/universe/binary-i386/gcursor_0.061-ubuntu1_i386.deb
[08:54] <PotajiTo> what is Gcursor?
[08:54] <ogra> PotajiTo: to change your mousepointer theme
[08:54] <PotajiTo> haha! I think that the default pointer in ubuntu is the best I've ever seen
[08:55] <PotajiTo> I love the waiting one
[08:55] <stuNNed> ogra, i think you told me already but you're running warty and just having fun with hoary?
[08:55] <ogra> PotajiTo: it is...but someone asked for such a feature and i think the option should be available
[08:55] <ogra> stuNNed: yep
[08:56] <topyli> there are people who want animated yellow cursors with green spots on them
[08:56] <s0cks> Wow.
[08:56] <topyli> i guess :)
[08:56] <ogra> hehe
[08:56] <stuNNed> ogra, finally got a custom kernel built with piix built in, going to test linuxant winmodem drivers this weekend.
[08:57] <topyli> damn firefox takes long to build
[08:57] <ogra> stuNNed: great
[08:57] <melanie> is there a software out there like babylon for ubuntu?
[08:57] <ogra> melanie: you wanted a gcursor package.....
[08:57] <melanie> ogra: yes
[08:57] <s0cks> 52 Percent of ubuntu downloaded.
[08:58] <counterfeitliver> can someone help me out and tell me how to find out the ip address of my box
[08:58] <s0cks> Hey ogra : How many CDs should it take?
[08:58] <topyli> counterfeitliver: ifconfig
[08:58] <ogra> melanie: its in my repository now.... (Oliver Grawert) add it from here in synaptic https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[08:58] <counterfeitliver> topyli: thanks
[08:58] <mos__> can anyone tell me a good ftp frontend to use?
[08:58] <ogra> s0cks: ??
[08:59] <s0cks> the .iso for i386
[08:59] <ogra> s0cks: there is only one for each architecture
[08:59] <lil_anthony> Treenaks: are you around?
[08:59] <s0cks> I know.
[08:59] <melanie> ogra: hey thank you!
[08:59] <s0cks> One CD covers it?
[08:59] <ogra> s0cks: the release
[08:59] <ogra> melanie: ;)
[08:59] <topyli> mos__: gftp
[08:59] <melanie> ogra: i'll try it
[09:00] <mos__> topyli: ty
[09:00] <s0cks> ogra : When I burn it, one CD?
[09:00] <eruin> anyone know what needs to be done to make totem play divx?
[09:00] <s0cks> Cause I only got one.
[09:00] <eruin> currently it only plays sound for me
[09:00] <ogra> melanie: works for m...even its "quick packaged"
[09:00] <ogra> s0cks: jep
[09:00] <s0cks> ogra : Thanks bo.
[09:00] <kensai> is safe to add debian unstable repositories in sources.list and take some packages from there?
[09:00] <lil_anthony> question: is there a simple method to install java yet? i had it working on firefox .9 but when i uninstalled .9 to install 1.0 i have no more java
[09:00] <topyli> hey, where's bonobo?
[09:01] <ogra> kensai: 99% of debian is in multiverse/universe no need for that
[09:01] <kensai> ogra, I'm just searching for a more updated xfce
[09:01] <ogra> topyli: wfx couldnt pay the traffic
[09:02] <lil_anthony> and mozilla-mplayer doesn't work anymor geeze this sucks :(
[09:02] <topyli> ogra: too bad. we do need a helpful bot here
[09:02] <stuNNed> ogra, i have .deb of new industrial theme by ximian only thing is it needs to be forced to overwrite current industrial theme, interested?
[09:02] <jdz_> stuNNed, You should submit it in the mailing lists
[09:03] <ogra> kensai: will be in hoary....probably compile the hoary one from the source repo
[09:03] <stuNNed> jdz_, which one or does it matter?
[09:03] <ogra> stuNNed: take the -users list.....
[09:03] <jdz_> stuNNed, The dev list.
[09:03] <ogra> lol
[09:04] <ogra> stuNNed: decide yourself .... *g*
[09:04] <stuNNed> ogra, k thanks
[09:04] <jdz_> stuNNed, Either one is ok *grins*
[09:04] <kensai> ogra, I'm in Hoary and it is 4.0 I want 4.2
[09:05] <kensai> ogra, I should install 4.0 and wait until it gets updated?
[09:06] <ogra> kensai: hmm, so rahter the sid deb-src and apt-get build-dep  and apt-get -b source
[09:06] <ogra> kensai: is it in debian already ?
[09:06] <ogra> kensai: i mean a official debian archive
[09:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Candidate: 2.70-1 500 http://http.us.debian.org sid/contrib Packages
[09:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) (mozilla-mplayer)
[09:07] <kensai> ogra, well in xfce site there is the deb packages so I believe it is out already in unstable
[09:07] <ogra> kensai: so ask for a sync on the -dev mailing list.....
[09:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) what are you referring to, mozilla-mplayer or xfce4.2?
[09:08] <ogra> xfce
[09:08] <melanie> ogra: i tried it, but when i import Grounation theme package nothing happens. even if i change the cursors to an includec package nothing happens. do i have to restart the machine?
[09:08] <kensai> ogra, thanks
[09:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) they will probably go to experimental in a few weeks, kensai
[09:08] <ogra> melanie: logout and in again i think
[09:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) there are still bugs we're working on
[09:08] <kensai> crimsun, oohhh Ok] 
[09:08] <melanie> ogra: ok, i'll try it
[09:11] <DimSum> Goddamnit.
[09:12] <DimSum> Just tried the Live CD in three boxes.
[09:12] <DimSum> In the first two boxes, my secondary and tertiary machines, it works perfectly; if a little slowly, due to the specs
[09:12] <DimSum> In my main box, it doesn't work.
[09:12] <DimSum> For some reason it's selecting a refresh rate that my 400 monitor can't use.
[09:15] <s0cks> Hmm... 75 hz
[09:15] <DimSum> I'm using 85Hz at the moment, at 1600x1200
[09:15] <s0cks> DimSum : Out of curiousity, on the first two boxes, how fast is the read-soeed?
[09:15] <s0cks> speed*
[09:16] <DimSum> s0cks, what, of the HDD?
[09:16] <s0cks> 1600x1200 is really good
[09:16] <DimSum> Not fast. Like, 6x and 24x
[09:16] <DimSum> But I wouldn't want to use it on those boxes anyway
[09:16] <DimSum> I want to use it on my lovely Dual Xeon system ;P
[09:16] <s0cks> DimSum : It is a Live CD, so I would guess the CD Rom
[09:16] <s0cks> I have a Dual P2 server
[09:16] <s0cks> Which is running Fedora
[09:17] <DimSum> So any idea how I can force this to use a decent graphics mode? ;P
[09:17] <s0cks> And then I have my Primary, which is running a Celeron at 2.4
[09:17] <DimSum> Overclocked the Celeron?
[09:17] <s0cks> DimSum : Edit the source?
[09:17] <s0cks> DimSum : No.
[09:18] <DimSum> How come?
[09:18] <s0cks> DimSum : Stock Gateway with the addition of a custom case, a bunch of leds, and a bunch of fans
[09:18] <s0cks> I like my computers to run nice and cool.
[09:18] <DimSum> lol, you can o/c a Northwood celeron by 50% without any temperature increase
[09:18] <DimSum> Using the stock Intel HSF
[09:18] <s0cks> 68 Degrees according to the on case thermometer
[09:18] <DimSum> 68 degrees C?!
[09:19] <DimSum> Where the hell do you live? Hades?
[09:19] <s0cks> Fahrenheit
[09:19] <DimSum> Oh.
[09:19] <s0cks> Really cold, but it has enough fans to propel a car sized hovercraft.
[09:19] <DimSum> Nice.
[09:19] <DimSum> Still, o/c it
[09:19] <s0cks> and the LEDs pulse with the music and such
[09:20] <ogra> melanie: did it work ?
[09:20] <s0cks> DimSum : I might try for a week or so, but I want reliability.
[09:20] <melanie> ogra: i just restarted my system. but nothing has changed. :-(
[09:20] <DimSum> s0cks: Got a P4 1.6a here @ 2.4
[09:20] <ogra> hmm...going to try
[09:20] <DimSum> It's been running that way for the last 3 years, and I've never had a crash
[09:20] <s0cks> DimSum : Reliability becomes an issue
[09:20] <s0cks> and this is my only PC and it is on 24.7
[09:21] <DimSum> s0cks: I used to leave mine on 24/7, without any issues
[09:21] <DimSum> Until I got the Xeons lol
[09:21] <DimSum> Which, as I'm sure you're aware, you can't overclock ;P
[09:21] <DimSum> Well, I could if I got a new board, but I'm too lazy
[09:21] <DimSum> Getting Dual 3.6s soon anyway, so it's irrelevent
[09:21] <s0cks> I just want a solid graphics card.
[09:21] <DimSum> Quadro FX 2000 :D
[09:22] <s0cks> Integrated 128.
[09:22] <muhahaha> o
[09:22] <s0cks> Couldn't be better for what I do.
[09:22] <s0cks> Games and stuff
[09:22] <s0cks> and also, school work.
[09:22] <s0cks> and some programming.
[09:22] <s0cks> It isn't really specialized.
[09:23] <DimSum> lol
[09:23] <DimSum> Same, I do all kinds of shit on this.
[09:23] <DimSum> Hence why I can't just install Ubuntu full-time
[09:23] <s0cks> The hard disk has been spinning consecutively for an hour or two now.
[09:23] <s0cks> DimSum : I dual boot.
[09:23] <DimSum> s0cks: High level of fragmentation?
[09:23] <s0cks> No.
[09:23] <s0cks> Low.
[09:23] <DimSum> Eww, dual booting.
[09:23] <s0cks> DimSum : Downloading Ubuntu
[09:24] <DimSum> ah
[09:24] <s0cks> Used to Run Red Hat, now running Fedora, about to run Ubuntu
[09:24] <s0cks> My server will still run ubuntu because i can't take it down
[09:25] <DimSum> lol
[09:25] <DimSum> I just want to get this goddamn Live CD working :\
[09:25] <s0cks> WOOHOO!~!~! 86 percent
[09:25] <ogra> melanie: works for me, got the redglass cursor now
[09:25] <s0cks> DimSum : Configure a CD-Rom boot with HD backup, or configure a bootloader to allow you to switch actively between hard disk and cd rom. In otherwords, cheap and easy dual boot
[09:26] <ogra> melanie: works for me, got the redglass cursor now
[09:26] <s0cks> ogra : Nice.
[09:26] <mirak> hi
[09:27] <mirak> the cd rom is stuck
[09:27] <cemo> hi everyone..how can i install tunderbird on the ubuntu ?
[09:27] <mirak> I can't eject it
[09:27] <melanie> ogra: ? on my machine it doesn't work. maybe i make something wrong. did you also try a downloaded theme?
[09:27] <s0cks> mirak : Hi
[09:27] <mirak> cemo: sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[09:27] <s0cks> mirak : Get a paperclip, straighten it out, and push into the small hole by the LED.
[09:27] <ogra> melanie: on, thats what i'll do next....but redglass works this far....
[09:27] <cemo> mirak, ok thanks a lot
[09:28] <melanie> ogra: ok, this i didn't try.
[09:28] <mirak> s0cks: I have nothing thin enough
[09:28] <ogra> melanie: where did you get your theme from ? if the package isnt right it cant work.....
[09:28] <s0cks> mirak : A paperclip should do it, but in the case that it doesn't, you could certainly use a really small drill bit or perhaps a staple.
[09:29] <melanie> ogra: wait, i'll tell you
[09:29] <s0cks> 90 percent!
[09:29] <ogra> melanie: the tgz  must have a certain tree sructure inside i guess....
[09:29] <mirak> s0cks: what's a paperclip ?
[09:29] <mirak> lol
[09:29] <mirak> what's a staple ?
[09:29] <cemo> mirak, does the tunderbird existent ubuntu cd ?
[09:29] <mirak> cemo: I don't know
[09:29] <s0cks> mirak : Good greif, where are you from, mars?
[09:29] <mirak> cemo: but you must add sources
[09:29] <cemo> mirak, ok thanks :)
[09:30] <mirak> cemo: you use the live cd ?
[09:30] <mirak> s0cks: from france
[09:30] <melanie> ogra: this one: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=14484 i downloaded it under [download] 
[09:30] <cemo> mirak, no
[09:30] <s0cks> mirak : Walk to Bastille, and grab a small piece of metal
[09:30] <s0cks> mirak : I dunno, beat it on a rock or something.
[09:30] <mirak> s0cks: eiffel tower you mean
[09:31] <mirak> I see it from my window
[09:31] <melanie> ogra: after selected in gcursors it was located under /.icons/Grou...
[09:31] <s0cks> mirak : Prison Bastille. Bound to be some shrapnel there.
[09:31] <ogra> mirak: tkae a chinsaw if nothing helps :)
[09:31] <s0cks> ogra : Am I wrong to assume that everyone knows what a paper clip is?
[09:31] <mirak> well bastille doesn't exist
[09:31] <mirak> it was distroyed
[09:31] <mirak> I think
[09:31] <ogra> s0cks: probably not in france
[09:31] <s0cks> mirak : The site is still there?
[09:32] <mirak> a paper clip is a post-it ?
[09:32] <mirak> s0cks: duno
[09:32] <s0cks> mirak : They unbuilt it brick by brick whilst under fire.
[09:32] <s0cks> mirak : look it up on google.
[09:33] <ogra> mirak: its a piece of metal .... every apple uses has one in his bag :)
[09:33] <ogra> user
[09:34] <mirak> I had a cd rom with problems at my second home
[09:34] <mirak> I use a wire
[09:34] <mirak> I don't have that here though
[09:35] <ogra> melanie: the theme tar.bz2 package is wrong
[09:35] <ogra> melanie: open it by double clicking......
[09:36] <mirak> ah I managed to eject it
[09:36] <melanie> ogra: and then?
[09:36] <Caspar> hia
[09:36] <ogra> melanie: enter the Grounation-0.2 folder
[09:36] <mirak> I was trying to eject the device
[09:36] <Caspar> i have a porb whit my driver
[09:36] <mirak> and it didnot worked
[09:36] <Caspar> is it oke if i put the error here?
[09:36] <ogra> melanie: drag the Grounation folder from there to the desktop....
[09:37] <s0cks> w00t
[09:37] <s0cks> Warty is done.
[09:37] <melanie> ogra: ok, done
[09:38] <topyli> Caspar: if it's many lines, don't paste here. use #flood
[09:38] <s0cks> brb
[09:38] <s0cks> gotta get blank cd
[09:38] <ogra> melanie: now open the theme folder from gcursor
[09:38] <Caspar> topyli: it are 6 lines
[09:38] <ogra> melanie: and drop the Grounation folder there....
[09:38] <ogra> melanie: gestart gcursor and its there for selection
[09:38] <ogra> restart
[09:39] <topyli> Caspar: i don't know the official flooding threshold :)
[09:39] <Caspar> :|
[09:39] <Caspar> posted there
[09:39] <topyli> doesn't sound like much to me
[09:40] <Caspar> what do i need to do
[09:40] <Caspar> the readme dousent exits
[09:40] <topyli> Caspar: i just joined #flood, please paste again :)
[09:41] <Caspar> and?
[09:42] <Kirsch> when i play a mov file in mplayer, says "can not find audio codec for 0x324D4451" any ideas?
[09:42] <ogra> Caspar: join #flood and paste it there
[09:42] <trinity> having a bit of a problem setting up ldap authentication in ubuntu - any know of any compatibility issues?
[09:42] <ogra> melanie: and ?
[09:42] <topyli> Caspar: i'm not sure. the permissions are wrong, or perhaps the device isn't there. I've never had an nvidia card, thank $DEITY :)
[09:42] <Caspar> allready posting it 2 times orga
[09:42] <melanie> ogra: it works!!!!! you rock!
[09:42] <ogra> melanie: :)
[09:43] <s0cks> 8x writing as a bootable data disk
[09:43] <s0cks> ogra : Thanks for the help man
[09:43] <ogra> melanie: thats great.... so i can provide the pacage more widely....
[09:43] <s0cks> ogra : The installer is self explanitory, right?
[09:43] <ogra> s0cks: great.....
[09:43] <Caspar> i just used sudo to install it
[09:43] <ogra> s0cks: yep.... only difficult thing is partitioning...
[09:44] <ogra> s0cks: but thats hard on every OS
[09:44] <s0cks> ogra : I am the master of that, it is already done :P
[09:44] <melanie> ogra: yes, do that!
[09:44] <Caspar> orga?
[09:44] <s0cks> I have no problem with partitions.
[09:44] <Caspar> do you know it?
[09:44] <s0cks> Everyone in my CET class is like 'which partition... ' and they all come to me.
[09:45] <ogra> Caspar: its the nvidia graphics driver ?
[09:45] <Caspar> ja
[09:45] <Caspar> jes
[09:45] <Caspar> yes
[09:45] <Caspar> :|
[09:45] <ogra> Caspar: woher kommt der ?
[09:45] <Caspar> The netherlands
[09:45] <melanie> ogra: sprichst du deutsch?
[09:45] <ogra> Caspar: the driver i meant , lol
[09:45] <Caspar> can't speak German (dislection)
[09:45] <ogra> yep i'm german
[09:45] <__daniel> ogra spricht super deutsch
[09:46] <ogra> hehe
[09:46] <melanie> jo super
[09:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) and #ubuntu-de is born
[09:46] <Caspar> yes the driver is Nvidia
[09:46] <__daniel> Treenaks: it already WAS born :-)
[09:46] <Kirsch> what's autoreconf?
[09:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) __daniel: oh.. oh well :)
[09:46] <ogra> Caspar: from where ?
[09:46] <Kirsch> i know what autoconf is
[09:46] <ogra> Caspar: there is a ubuntu package that cares for the setup and all
[09:46] <Caspar> sudo abt-install nvidia(something)
[09:47] <ogra> Caspar: look here https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <Caspar> got it tru wikki
[09:47] <RubenV> apt-get install ;)
[09:47] <Caspar> rubenv yep (sry)
[09:47] <nonajme> <
[09:47] <ogra> Caspar: you are running warty ?
[09:47] <Caspar> newest
[09:47] <ogra> Caspar: so hoary ?
[09:48] <Caspar> no
[09:48] <Kirsch> kinda funny, all the questions are the  questions all the time. installing Video Card Drivers, where do i get XXXXX?
[09:48] <Kirsch> lol
[09:48] <Caspar> :| how can i cee it )
[09:48] <Caspar> ?
[09:48] <ogra> Caspar: in synaptic....
[09:48] <RubenV> cat /etc/issue :)
[09:49] <ogra> Caspar: if you changed your repository entrys to hoary and updated you are running hoary :)
[09:49] <Caspar> i use dselect update
[09:49] <topyli> Caspar: you would know if you were running hoary :)
[09:49] <Caspar> but where can i cee it there
[09:50] <RubenV> if you didn't edit anything: it's warty
[09:50] <__daniel> Caspar: dselect update is perfectly well
[09:50] <RubenV> your only on hoary if you selected hoary manually
[09:50] <topyli> Caspar: cat /etc/issue like RubenV said
[09:51] <ogra> Caspar: you followed point 1 and two in the wiki ?
[09:51] <Caspar> warty warthig
[09:51] <Caspar> og
[09:51] <Caspar> i use
[09:51] <Caspar> ogra Yep
[09:51] <Caspar> and rebooted
[09:51] <s0cks> here goes nothing
[09:51] <s0cks> bbk
[09:51] <s0cks> bbl*
[09:51] <s0cks> wish me luck
[09:51] <RubenV> topyli: offcourse that only works if you have a default /etc/issue
[09:51] <RubenV> but whoever knows what /etc/issue is knows what ubuntu he's running ;)
[09:51] <ogra> Caspar: do: lsmod|grep nvidia
[09:51] <ogra> Caspar: in a terminal
[09:52] <Caspar>  lsmod|grep nvidia
[09:52] <topyli> RubenV: hehe
[09:52] <Caspar> oops
[09:52] <ogra> hehe
[09:52] <Caspar> nvidia               4821428  12
[09:52] <ogra> Caspar: fine....
[09:53] <ogra> Caspar: now: grep nvidia /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[09:53] <RubenV> Caspar: try glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[09:53] <Caspar>  Driver          "nvidia"
[09:53] <topyli> RubenV: /etc/lsb-release is supposed to be correct always
[09:54] <ogra> Caspar: hmm, setup is ok....
[09:54] <Caspar> RubenV: direct rendering: Yes
[09:54] <RubenV> topyli: great, from now on that's the universal dist identifier for me ;)
[09:54] <RubenV> Caspar: then your drivers are working correctly
[09:54] <Caspar> but why dousent UT2004 start then?
[09:54] <RubenV> what error does it give if you start it?
[09:54] <ogra> RubenV: ever seen this: Error: Could not open /dev/nvidia0 because the permissions
[09:55] <ogra> RubenV: shouldnt happen....
[09:55] <RubenV> early udev had that problem
[09:55] <RubenV> crw-rw----  1 root video 195,   0 2004-11-20 17:34 nvidia0
[09:55] <RubenV> crw-rw----  1 root video 195, 255 2004-11-20 17:34 nvidiactl
[09:55] <ogra> Caspar: did you install any oher nvidia drivers before or anything like that ?
[09:55] <Caspar> the also strange thing is that my desktop (first) was ownd by root
[09:55] <Caspar> ogra nope
[09:55] <ogra> Caspar: did you run nautius as root ?
[09:56] <ogra> nautilus
[09:56] <Caspar> what?
[09:56] <Caspar> should i?
[09:56] <RubenV> ogra: shouldn't matter
[09:56] <ogra> Caspar: did you at anytime run sudo nautilus in a terminal ?
[09:56] <RubenV> nautilus gets started at gnome session start
[09:56] <Caspar> w8 lemme cheack
[09:56] <ogra> RubenV: his desktop was owned by root, sure it matters
[09:56] <phlax> hi there - trying to use ldap auth - when I add ldap to nssswitch i can no longer get rootly powers - anyone got any ideas?
[09:56] <ogra> Caspar: dont do it
[09:57] <RubenV> ogra: nautilus always get's started first as the user
[09:57] <Caspar> ogra nope i didn't dousent show in history of my commands
[09:57] <ogra> RubenV: if you run it as root is changes certain rights....i.e. you are not able to edit the menu from nautilus anymore
[09:58] <RubenV> and even if you do
[09:58] <RubenV> nautilus would use /root/Desktop as the desktop dir :)
[09:58] <ogra> RubenV: not with sudo....
[09:58] <RubenV> right
[09:59] <ogra> Caspar: type: groups
[09:59] <ogra> Caspar: is video in there ?
[09:59] <aaroncuk> hey guys.. need some help... my ubuntu server keeps freezing.. saw something on the forums that said it might be open gl causing it, so i went to the screensaver bit to run an open gl screensaver but it crashes as soon as i open the screensaver menu
[09:59] <Caspar> caspar root daemon bin sys adm tty disk lp mail news uucp man proxy kmem dialout fax voice cdrom floppy tape sudo audio dip www-data backup operator list irc src gnats shadow
[09:59] <Caspar> that is the list ogra
[09:59] <ogra> no video
[09:59] <RubenV> that's one hell of a list :)
[10:00] <Caspar> (thats the porob?_
[10:00] <Caspar> )
[10:00] <RubenV> Caspar: yes
[10:00] <Caspar> :|
[10:00] <ogra> Caspar: what did you do with your system
[10:00] <RubenV> add yourself to the video group
[10:00] <Caspar> not mutch
[10:00] <mockingbird> anyone know about linux on ipod? : http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/screens.shtml   http://www.ipodlinux.org/index.php/Main_Page
[10:00] <RubenV> Caspar: that ain't no default install
[10:00] <ogra> Caspar: type:  adduser $USER video
[10:00] <Caspar> and $user = ???????????
[10:01] <RubenV> try it ;)
[10:01] <ogra> Caspar: is replaced by bash
[10:01] <RubenV> or try echo $USER
[10:01] <ogra> Caspar: with your username
[10:01] <ogra> Caspar: listen to RubenV
[10:01] <ogra> Caspar: should show your username
[10:02] <Caspar> The user `caspar' is already a member of video.
[10:02] <Caspar> :|
[10:02] <RubenV> (the detailed explanation is that $USER is an environment var which gets substituted by bash)
[10:02] <ogra> Caspar: hmm, but its not in the list
[10:02] <aaroncuk> anyone got any ideas?
[10:02] <Caspar> nope
[10:02] <s0cks> ogra : didn't make it a bootable cd :(
[10:02] <RubenV> Caspar: log out
[10:02] <Caspar> as?
[10:02] <Caspar> caspar?
[10:03] <Caspar> then i lost IRC
[10:03] <RubenV> well
[10:03] <RubenV> wait :)
[10:03] <ogra> s0cks: i meant not drag n drop the iso to a cd.... you must burn the image
[10:03] <RubenV> if you change your groups, they don't get reflected right away
[10:03] <RubenV> only on a new login
[10:03] <Caspar> so logout
[10:03] <Caspar> and login
[10:03] <RubenV> or you could try starting a login shell
[10:03] <ogra> s0cks: do you use nero ?
[10:03] <Caspar> brb ill login again
[10:04] <s0cks> ogra : nope
[10:04] <ogra> s0cks: how did you burn ?
[10:04] <s0cks> Dont have a burning ap
[10:05] <ogra> s0cks: hmmm, how did you do it then ?
[10:05] <s0cks> bit by bit.
[10:05] <scoon> ogra: what about using cdrecord.
[10:05] <Caspar> only root (as far as i can cee)
[10:05] <s0cks> ogra : point me out some free burning software.
[10:05] <s0cks> windows capatable please
[10:05] <RubenV> groups | grep -c video
[10:06] <topyli> s0cks: dunno, but i always find my windows freeware at nonags.com
[10:06] <Caspar> 0
[10:06] <ogra> s0cks: hmm, no idea....
[10:06] <RubenV> Caspar: then you still aren't in the video group
[10:06] <Caspar> :|
[10:07] <RubenV> what does this give you:
[10:07] <RubenV> grep video /etc/group
[10:07] <topyli> Caspar: try grep caspar /etc/passwd
[10:07] <topyli> lol
[10:07] <ogra> Caspar: echo $USER
[10:07] <RubenV> topyli: groups are in group ;)
[10:07] <Kirsch> is there a command line to search the packages?
[10:07] <s0cks> try /grep/name/etc/password
[10:07] <ogra> Caspar: who are you now ?
[10:07] <Kirsch> that i'll be able to install (kinda like the search in synaptic)
[10:07] <RubenV> ogra: doesn't really matter
[10:08] <topyli> RubenV: yeah, but /etc/passwd also lists the groups that the user is in
[10:08] <__daniel> ogra: thats a very tricky question: "who are you?" :-)
[10:08] <s0cks> Gentoo?
[10:08] <Caspar> caspar
[10:08] <Caspar> :|
[10:08] <ogra> __daniel: lol
[10:08] <RubenV> topyli: no it doesn't
[10:08] <__daniel> ogra: i never managed to find out
[10:08] <topyli> RubenV: no it doesn't! sorry, bad memory
[10:08] <RubenV> :)
[10:08] <ogra> __daniel: i think some of us will never
[10:08] <RubenV> just grep video /etc/group
[10:09] <Caspar> caspar:x:1000:1000:Caspar van Laanen,,,:/home/caspar:/bin/bash
[10:09] <melanie> was muss ich alles fr wordtrans installieren. ich kann wordtrans nicht starten
[10:09] <__daniel> ogra: times are especially good for not-finding-out
[10:09] <Caspar> to rubenv
[10:09] <Caspar> and ogra
[10:09] <Caspar> :|
[10:09] <RubenV> and what does this give you:
[10:09] <RubenV> grep video /etc/group
[10:09] <ogra> Caspar: strange.....
[10:09] <melanie> 
[10:09] <Caspar> video:x:44:caspar,root
[10:10] <RubenV> according to that, you are in the video group
[10:10] <ogra> melanie: there is no gnome frontend for it....
[10:10] <RubenV> are your nvidia nodes chmodded correctly?
[10:10] <topyli> s0cks: look here for your winders cd burner: http://ftp.sunet.se/nonags/cdr.html
[10:10] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (ls -l /dev/nvidia*)
[10:10] <melanie> ogra: is there another application like babylon?
[10:10] <Caspar> rubenv: how must i do that?
[10:11] <RubenV> like Treenaks says
[10:11] <Caspar> oki
[10:11] <Caspar> dankje
[10:11] <ogra> melanie: only english german ?
[10:11] <Caspar> ls -l /dev/nvidia*
[10:11] <Caspar> :|
[10:11] <melanie> ogra: yes
[10:11] <Caspar> crw-rw----    1 root     video    195,   0 2004-11-20 21:23 /dev/nvidia0
[10:11] <Caspar> crw-rw----    1 caspar   video    195, 255 2004-11-20 21:23 /dev/nvidiactl
[10:11] <luc1f3r> quick question, is 128megabytes equivalent to 128000 K?
[10:11] <RubenV> perfect
[10:12] <RubenV> luc1f3r: 2^30
[10:12] <ogra> melanie: http://www.grawert.net/software/g2ding/
[10:12] <RubenV> divided by 8
[10:12] <RubenV> ;)
[10:12] <luc1f3r> RubenV: what?
[10:12] <Caspar> rubenv what should i do now?
[10:12] <ogra> melanie: but i didnt maintin it for very long, no guarantees, even it works on my warty
[10:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Caspar: join the dutch channel ;)
[10:12] <Caspar> sight :|
[10:12] <luc1f3r> RubenV: if i'm asked for memory in K, what is 128 mb?
[10:13] <RubenV> +- 128 000 indeed
[10:13] <RubenV> exact number is a bit different
[10:13] <luc1f3r> thanks
[10:15] <ermo> eh, my kernel is 2.6.8, yet I only see up to 2.6.7 when it comes to sources. What gives?
[10:15] <ermo> are there no 2.6.8 ubuntu sources anywhere?
[10:16] <carlos> ermo: linux-source
[10:17] <ermo> carlos, just found it. Was looking for kernel-... debianism on my part, sorry.
[10:18] <ogra> RubenV: 128MB is right for 128000 KB, else it would be 128MiB = 131072 KiB
[10:19] <RubenV> right
[10:19] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) just don't give your X config an amount -- let it probe the card ;)
[10:19] <ogra> RubenV: i'm still wondering who had this glorious idea for the name....mebibyte
[10:20] <ogra> RubenV: more worse kibibyte
[10:20] <ermo> ogra, so it's not the other way around?
[10:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ogra: gibibyte!
[10:21] <ogra> lol
[10:21] <ogra> ermo: its easy to recall: kilo = 1000
[10:21] <melanie> ogra: i works, but just from german to english. how can i add english to german also?
[10:21] <ogra> melanie: it works both ways
[10:22] <ogra> melanie: just type the english term in
[10:22] <BeanDip> anyone running hoary having trouble starting xmms?
[10:22] (clee/#ubuntu) hahahah
[10:22] (clee/#ubuntu) xmms
[10:22] (clee/#ubuntu) that's a good one :)
[10:22] <BeanDip> ah, fuckin mikmod
[10:23] <BeanDip> that's what's fuckin with me
[10:23] <ermo> ogra, I was referring to KiB vs KB
[10:23] <BeanDip> clee?
[10:23] <ogra> BeanDip: got an nvidia card ?
[10:23] <BeanDip> ogra, yup
[10:23] <BeanDip> geforce mx2/400
[10:23] <ogra> ermo: yep, me too
[10:23] <ogra> BeanDip:its a known bug
[10:23] <ogra> BeanDip: nvidia must recompile the driver i guess
[10:24] <ogra> BeanDip: as they dont provide source
[10:25] <ogra> BeanDip: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[10:25] <ogra> hmpf
[10:25] <topyli> compiles for ages :(
[10:25] <auk> anyone recommend a media player
[10:25] <RubenV> topyli: 45 minutes or so
[10:26] <alka_trash> auk: totem or mplayer
[10:26] <jomohke> hmm. When I try to mount my cdrom drive it just sits there as if it's busy doing such a thing. I left it overnight and it still hadn't mounted.
[10:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) depends on the meiia...
[10:26] <RubenV> atleast that's what it did on my P4
[10:26] <Karnaugh> mplayer
[10:26] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: how so?
[10:26] <ogra> auk: rhythmbox
[10:26] <alka_trash> auk: audio or video
[10:26] <topyli> RubenV: been going on for an hour at least on my trusty dusty duron box
[10:26] <auk> audio
[10:26] <Karnaugh> auk: xmms?
[10:27] <Karnaugh> (although it sucks, I dont know of anything better)
[10:27] <auk> dont like the interface
[10:27] <Karnaugh> dont blame you
[10:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) xmms does not suck
[10:27] <alka_trash> auk: it's pretty good, but I use beep-media player it's xmms with gtk2
[10:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: video players arn't great mp3 players
[10:27] <Karnaugh> auk: as far as "winamp" like things its about the best, but its still leagues off of "good"
[10:27] <alka_trash> auk support for winamp skins too
[10:27] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: mplayer plays mp3's fine
[10:28] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: can even load play lists afaik
[10:28] <alka_trash> sh!t there's a lot
[10:28] <alka_trash> of players out there
[10:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: it's not suited to the task
[10:28] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: but it plays movies?
[10:28] <topyli> mpd (media player daemon) is pretty cool
[10:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: really? :-P
[10:28] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: and what is the sound in your movies encoded in?
[10:28] <auk> Karnaugh: ill try mplayer
[10:29] <alka_trash> it's a goodie
[10:29] <ogra> bah... ugly
[10:29] <Karnaugh> auk: its comand line, doubt its what you're lookinf for
[10:29] <Karnaugh> *looking
[10:29] <auk> O
[10:29] <ogra> nope, it has a gui too., but you run away if you see ti :)
[10:29] <topyli> Karnaugh: there's the gmplayer front end
[10:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: don't confuse technically able with good at
[10:30] <topyli> but mplayer is not very good with playlists and large collections
[10:30] <auk> gtkpod?
[10:31] <Fibio> hi all
[10:31] <BeanDip> well I just installed nvidida's newest drivers from the website and still no go with xmms
[10:32] <BeanDip> libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:32] <BeanDip> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
[10:32] <Bad_Ad> anyone know if theres a plugin for gaim to play mp3s etc so i dont need more proggys open
[10:32] <BeanDip> and I do have libmikmod2 installed
[10:32] <BeanDip> hmmm
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Bad_Ad: that is not very logical
[10:32] <ogra> BeanDip: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1724
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) by adding a plugin, you are enlarging gaim
[10:32] <Chibi> Bad_Ad- Even windows messengers of sorts use other programs to play music. :/
[10:32] <BeanDip> I wonder....  ok it works now
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) so whats the point?
[10:33] <ogra> BeanDip: you were too fast last time....
[10:33] <Bad_Ad> yes i know, i just mean to control the underlying player
[10:33] <BeanDip> some reason dpkg didn't do an ldconfig
[10:33] <BeanDip> now the drivers are loading
[10:33] <ogra> you shouldnt install the nvidia drivers from the website....apt cant care for them
[10:33] <Chibi> I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to write one yourself. :P
[10:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Bad_Ad: there are panel plugins for xmms
[10:33] <Bad_Ad> i dont like having multiple windows open, small monitor an all that
[10:33] <BeanDip> ogra: I really don't give a shit
[10:33] <Bad_Ad> or that :)
[10:33] <BeanDip> when it comes to nvidia drivers I can care for them
[10:34] <BeanDip> :)
[10:34] <__daniel> test
[10:34] <ogra> __daniel test ?
[10:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Bad_Ad: you can also get a system tray plugin
[10:34] <Chibi> Hey hey now! 'I really don't give an anal feces' Don't say shit. :P
[10:34] <auk> hows gtkpod vs. gnupod?
[10:35] <osiris_22> i just got 3d working
[10:35] <osiris_22> and 3d for xmms
[10:35] <osiris_22> lmao
[10:35] <ogra> BeanDip: if it comes to updates you'll probably have no x anymore if apt doesnt know :)
[10:35] <Bad_Ad> a control one sounds like what im looking for
[10:35] <Bad_Ad> xmms-gnome the right package?
[10:36] <auk> osiris_22: 3ddesktop?
[10:36] <osiris_22> 3d desktop
[10:36] <osiris_22> whats that?
[10:36] <BeanDip> ogra: so what? it's not like I can't install the drivers at the terminal and restart gdm
[10:36] <auk> i could never get it to work
[10:36] <osiris_22> lets see
[10:36] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: it's a 3d desktop/workspace switcher
[10:36] <osiris_22> i got java installed
[10:36] <osiris_22> limewire working
[10:36] <ogra> BeanDip: i dont know you...and cant judge your abilitys....i give this hint to everyone :)
[10:37] <BeanDip> ogra: I've been using linux since before the concept of a distribution, it's not as though I'm incapable
[10:37] <BeanDip> :)
[10:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) limewire.. bleh
[10:37] <osiris_22> that wasnt easy either esp cause my friend was fucked up on a shit load of cough syrup
[10:37] <BeanDip> it's good that you do
[10:37] <BeanDip> thanks though
[10:37] <ogra> BeanDip: :)
[10:37] <BeanDip> I still remember running minix
[10:38] <osiris_22> do i have to worry about spyware with linux?
[10:38] <__daniel> osiris_22: not yet :-)
[10:38] <ogra> osiris_22: except the one looking over your sholdr ? no
[10:39] <auk> do you have to restart every 2 hours in linux like in windows
[10:39] <osiris_22> so i dot have to search for spyware with linux?
[10:39] <topyli> spyware is difficult to hide in open source code
[10:39] <__daniel> auk: "15 days, 02:57:55" - no you dont have to :-)
[10:39] <osiris_22> ok i need some good icons for like my msn messenger and shit the the icons the provide just suck
[10:39] <ogra> osiris_22: nope.... same goes for viruses.....but you can spread them in mails to win users.....
[10:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: it's always a good idea to check out your system for breakins
[10:40] <auk> cool!
[10:40] <BeanDip> auk I've got a box in my house that's been running for 4 years without rebooting
[10:40] <topyli> __daniel: i see you didn't do the kernel upgrade a few days back
[10:40] <topyli> :)
[10:40] <BeanDip> :)
[10:40] <__daniel> topyli: that was on the debian box under the stairs :-)
[10:40] <ogra> BeanDip: wow... i didnt cross the 2 year line till now
[10:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: in ubuntu there are no ports open by default so you should be pretty safe though
[10:41] <osiris_22> where do i get some icons for my apps at and how do i installl them
[10:41] <alka_trash> just wondering is there any spyware for linux yet?
[10:41] <auk> anyone heard of the uClinux kernel?
[10:41] <BeanDip> ogra: It's my mp3 box, has it's own ups so I can still have music in a blackout
[10:41] <topyli> __daniel: oh so you still remember where it's located =)
[10:41] <__daniel> topyli: of course :-)
[10:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) osiris_22: typical places would be /usr/share/pixmaps/ or /usr/share/icons/
[10:42] <osiris_22> where doi pick up icons?
[10:42] <auk> do you mean official icons?
[10:42] <topyli> __daniel: there's this legend of the lost solaris box that keeps on running but cannot be found :)
[10:43] <ogra> osiris_22: http://art.gnome.org/
[10:43] <fester> linux wont work with my router
[10:43] <__daniel> topyli: hihi, must be under an invisibility cloak :-)
[10:44] <goonie> can anyone help me with sound problems?
[10:44] <alka_trash> goonie: what's wrong with your sound?
[10:45] <goonie> can't get it to work through spdif
[10:45] <Iblun> at least u get something working ;)
[10:45] <fester> iam a newb to linux
[10:45] <fester> i got limewire installed
[10:45] <fester> and d
[10:45] <fester> 3d*
[10:45] <DimSum> Anyone know how to fix this Live CD then?
[10:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) limewire must be singlehandedly keeping java alive..
[10:46] <topyli> __daniel: yeah, the institution's admins think it was lost during house improvement, bricked inside a wall or something. still shows up on the network topology but the physical box is gone :)
[10:46] <ogra> DimSum: whats wrong with it ?
[10:46] <DimSum> GammaRay: Azureus is; nobody cares about Limewire
[10:47] <DimSum> ogra: Works on two of the three PCs I've tested it on, but when I tested it on a good box, it pushed my monitor to display a res which it can't do... and considering this monitor will do anything up to 2048x1536 @ 60Hz, I can't see how that could be
[10:47] <ogra> DimSum: ahh, remeber, the res,,,
[10:47] <fester> so how do iu get linux to work with my router
[10:47] <DimSum> lol yes
[10:48] <ogra> DimSum: when does the prob start, directly on boot (i.e. do you see the splash screen )
[10:48] <will> where do you put the .xml files for new themes in Ubuntu?
[10:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) DimSum: 60hz is not something I want to look at
[10:48] <topyli> DimSum: actually, about 90% of the clients on gnet seem to be limewire
[10:48] <osiris_22> guys fester can grab a net connecdt when his cable modem is directly connect to his nic but not when his modem is connect to his router and his router is connected to his nic
[10:48] <DimSum> ogra: I see the boot screen, but as soon as X starts it won't work.
[10:48] <osiris_22> can someone help him
[10:49] <DimSum> GammaRay: I'm using 1600x1200 @ 85 at the moment
[10:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) topyli: maybe it just %90 of the client you connect to
[10:49] <topyli> naturally
[10:49] <ogra> will: how is the file called you want to store ?
[10:49] <topyli> GammaRay: i prefer gtk-gnutella. this is gnome, dammit :)
[10:49] <osiris_22> so no one is interested in helping the fester at all?
[10:50] <goonie> I installed Ubuntu on my MSI Hermes machine (650 version) and everything works sweet except my sound. Come to think of it I haven't gotten this audio cart to work on any linux distro.. Maybe I'm just destined to have a silent desktop machine
[10:50] <alka_trash> your using onboard?
[10:50] <osiris_22> my name is Bryan too hahah
[10:50] <goonie> yes it's an onboard card
[10:51] <will> ogra: metacity-theme-1.xml
[10:51] <ogra> DimSum: what kind of card is it ?
[10:51] <DimSum> ogra: Quadro FX 2000
[10:51] <goonie> built into the MSI 650 chipset
[10:51] <Iblun> is there a programm that is able to play dvds ?
[10:51] <ogra> will: there must be a dir it is in.....
[10:51] <will> ogra: metacity-1
[10:52] <will> ogra: its tarballed
[10:52] <ogra> will: oh..... use the theme manger then
[10:52] <will> ogra: parent to metacity-1 is Office
[10:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Iblun: sure.. totem.
[10:52] <ogra> will: userlinux :)
[10:53] <BradB> anyone have a specific recommendation for a wireless card that plays nicely with ppc + warty?
[10:53] <Iblun> GammaRay: and which file i have to open on the dvd ?
[10:53] <ogra> will: i like the icontheme
[10:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Iblun: you just have to install libdvdcss2
[10:54] <ogra> DimSum: try ctrl-alt-numpad+/- to switch the res.....
[10:54] <osiris_22> ok
[10:54] <osiris_22> does anyone know what
[10:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Iblun: then you should be able to open totem and tell it to play the dvd
[10:54] <Iblun> GammaRay: ok thx i will try
[10:54] <DimSum> ogra, will do; thanks.
[10:54] <auk> know what what?
[10:54] <ogra> auk: what ?
[10:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Iblun: you also might need totem-xine
[10:54] <Iblun> hmm and where i find that package ?
[10:55] <ogra> Iblun: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Iblun: universe
[10:56] <Iblun> hmm iwas adding that sources but is not really appearing in the list ...
[10:56] <will> ogra: does not seem to work!
[10:57] <ogra> will: what did you try ?
[10:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Iblun: make sure to reload
[10:57] <ogra> will: opened themes from the desktop settings ?
[10:57] <will> theme manager install new theme then selected the .xml file
[10:57] <ogra> will: oh, no, take the tgz
[10:57] <Iblun> GammaRay: yes he is saying that that package exist but has no installation kandidate
[10:58] <will> ogra: okay will try
[10:58] <auk> will: you checked the PM
[10:58] <auk> ?
[10:59] <Iblun> GammaRay: maybe is renamed ? there is something like libdvdread3
[11:00] <will> auk: sorry dont know it
[11:00] <ogra> Iblun: you will need that one too... did you read the wiki page and added the marillat repository ?
[11:00] <will> ogra: still does not come up!? strange huh
[11:01] <ogra> will: where have you got it from ?
[11:01] <Iblun> hmm i dont think so ... ok i read the fucking manual first ...
[11:01] <will> live.gnome.org
[11:01] <will> ogra
[11:03] <ogra> will:  you mean art.gnome.org ?
[11:04] <will> ogra: yeah thats the one
[11:04] <will> ogra: its their featured one 'office'
[11:06] <eruin> where can I get divx4linux (for totem) ?
[11:07] <__daniel> eruin: i think it was gstreamer0.8-plugins
[11:07] <eruin> yeah, I thought so too, but totem still only plays the audio on divx files :(
[11:07] <__daniel> eruin: hmmm, totem-xine maybe?
[11:07] <alka_trash> goonie: I think that this may work
[11:07] <mxpxpod> who does the kernel packaging for ubuntu?
[11:08] <alka_trash> goonie: http://download.sis.com/download_step1.php?act=Search&mode=2&category=3&subcategory=82&os=8362&x=11&y=10
[11:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: the win32 codecs package
[11:08] <eruin> GammaRay, for totem/gstreamer?
[11:08] <Iblun> GammaRay: thanks, is working all now
[11:08] <seb128> http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/debian/pool/g/gst-ffmpeg/gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg_0.8.2-1_i386.deb
[11:08] <seb128> if somebody wants gst-ffmpeg
[11:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: you might need totem-xine
[11:08] <__daniel> mxpxpod: matt and herbert
[11:08] <eruin> seb128, that one plays divx?
[11:08] <alka_trash> goonie: I know that it says that it's for 2.4, but hell it's worth a shot
[11:09] <__daniel> mxpxpod: i think
[11:09] <eruin> GammaRay, I'm gonna try that now
[11:09] <mxpxpod> __daniel: what are their irc names?
[11:10] <__daniel> mxpxpod: matt is mdz and herbert... *shrug*
[11:10] <ogra> will: works fine for me
[11:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: totem-xine supports the win32-codecs which include a divx codec
[11:10] <seb128> eruin: ffmpeg is the part needed for divx yes
[11:10] <mxpxpod> mdz: ping
[11:10] <goonie> thx alka_trash... I'll give it a try
[11:10] <seb128> eruin: with it totem-gstreamer should work fine
[11:10] <ogra> eruin: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:11] <will> ogra: u running hoary?
[11:11] <ogra> will: nope
[11:11] <__daniel> mxpxpod: at least that's what /usr/share/doc/linux*/changelog.Debian.gz said :-)
[11:11] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) seb128: why is it a native package
[11:11] <ogra> will: got a testbox with hoary though
[11:12] <seb128> sjoerd: is it ?
[11:12] <will> ogra: maybe its hoary
[11:12] <seb128> sjoerd: which one ?
[11:12] <ogra> will: pretty sure....
[11:12] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) seb128: gst-ffmpeg, debian dir is in the tarball
[11:13] <seb128> sjoerd: dunno, but that's not a native package, not the -1 and the diff.gz
[11:13] <seb128> oups, not
[11:13] <seb128> sjoerd: so dunno .. there is a -1
[11:13] <Iblun> could it be because of an dvd that xine is just crashing while playing ?
[11:13] <seb128> sjoerd: I probably screwed up, but I don't care, that's not an official package and it works
[11:13] <seb128> :p
[11:13] <ogra> will: did you try logout/in ?
[11:14] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) seb128: lets see how it works on my pb ;)
[11:17] <mxpxpod> where can I get the cramfs patch they talk about in kernel-package?
[11:19] <rapha> Hi all
[11:19] <FTTP> ubuntu runs on sparc?
[11:19] <FTTP> or no?
[11:19] <FTTP> we need cpu competition too :P
[11:19] <eruin> thanks seb128, that worked ;)
[11:20] <rapha> I'm trying to get vesafb working for a laptop which has a Savage graphics adaptor, but upon specifying vga=something, everything just stays the same :-/
[11:20] <FTTP> intel is too dominating
[11:21] <eruin> I wouldnt even consider running an intel cp
[11:21] <eruin> *cpu
[11:21] <FTTP> eruin:  Will we ever see more than 2 players?
[11:21] <FTTP> or will it be amd/intel
[11:21] <eruin> no idea
[11:21] <eruin> do we need to?
[11:21] <FTTP> and apple/powerpc
[11:21] <mameluke> anybody intrested to have a look at my selfdesigned ubuntu wallpaper? pleas give comments and flood it over the world ;)
[11:22] <FTTP> eruin:  Who makes cpus now?
[11:22] <eruin> amd/intel/motorola, etc?
[11:22] <Talliesin> FTTP, intel have been shooting themselves in the foot over 64-bit for some time now.
[11:22] <FTTP> eruin right but of pcs u can self assemble i mean
[11:22] <FTTP> u cant self assemble a mac or can u?
[11:22] <eruin> you can self-assemble a mac
[11:23] <FTTP> you can?
[11:23] <FTTP> who sells parts? :)
[11:23] <eruin> I bought some parts off a local firm called nordvestdata
[11:23] <eruin> ;P
[11:24] <__daniel> mameluke: give us the URL
[11:24] <mameluke> __daniel, shure ;) http://baru.homelinux.org/vanessa-demouy-ubuntu-debian.jpg
[11:25] <binarydigit> thats not even the ubuntu logo
[11:25] <FTTP> eruin:  On pricewatch it has amd and intel only
[11:25] <__daniel> mameluke: wow... it's awesome... but hey - what does the gnu do on the wallpaper? ;-)
[11:25] <eruin> no idea what pricewatch is
[11:25] <osiris_22> my friend cant even get a connection using a hub?!
[11:25] <osiris_22> i dont understand
[11:26] <osiris_22> im using a router
[11:26] <osiris_22> and im not having any problems
[11:26] <osiris_22> getting a connection
[11:26] <mameluke> __daniel, binarydigit -> the ubuntu-logo sukks
[11:26] <logic> what does suspire mean
[11:26] <eruin> it's prettier than your type thats for sure
[11:26] <binarydigit> mameluke: i think its pretty nice, alot better then an ox
[11:26] <__daniel> mameluke: the gnu stares on her tits... that isnt really better :-)
[11:27] <mameluke> gnu's likes debian, ubuntu likes debian, why shouldnt ubunut like gnu?
[11:27] <binarydigit> and if its an ubuntu wallpaper it would make sense to have the ubuntu logo
[11:27] <marcus|> I like the ubunto logo. Even though its somewhat communist ;)
[11:27] <pixelmonkey> I have upgraded to XOrg 6.8.1 but I get "Error activating XKB configuration" on login... anyone know how to fix this problem?
[11:27] <eruin> what's the point in having some random model on your wallpaper? :P
[11:27] <osiris_22> so does anyone know why my friend isnt able to get an internet connection in ubuntu when he uses hsi router??
[11:27] <pixelmonkey> I think it has to do with my /etc/X11 directory
[11:27] <__daniel> mameluke: but i like it
[11:28] <ogra> eruin: dont like models ?
[11:28] <eruin> ogra, not really
[11:28] <__daniel> ogra: eruin waits for ubuntu-calendar-december to see the guy again :-)
[11:28] <ogra> i thought so
[11:28] <eruin> hehe
[11:28] <mameluke> __daniel, thx :) it's not under the GPL because i don't know the licence from the vanessa-pic ;)
[11:28] <osiris_22> is there a place on this server i can get help with that?
[11:28] <ogra> just wanted to point this outr
[11:28] <eruin> nah I just prefer more abstract stuff on my desktop
[11:29] <osiris_22> ore are all you guys like not network savy?
[11:29] <eruin> I mean, every screenshot I ever see has some random chick on it ;P
[11:29] <logic> she 'breathes' for ubuntu? i bet she doesn't
[11:29] <marcus|> eruin: Or Tux swatting a butterfly :)
[11:29] <eruin> I gotta get myself converted from photoshop to gimp soon
[11:29] <eruin> I'm sorry? SQUATTING on? :P
[11:29] <ogra> eruin: you havnt seen the prerelease .....
[11:30] <eruin> human stuff?
[11:30] <eruin> hehe
[11:30] <ogra> :)
[11:30] <eruin> the cds I received has that img ;P
[11:30] <ogra> t
[11:30] <ogra> eruin: noipe, not the splashscreen
[11:31] <mameluke> eruin, i don't know this model, but the color of this image suit's ubuntu :P
[11:31] <ogra> eruin: with the guy in boxershorts :)
[11:31] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the Ubuntu CDs come complete with nipples on the packaging
[11:31] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) THAT'S SERVICE!
[11:31] <eruin> mameluke, you should look into what saturization filters can do for you ;)
[11:31] <logic> haha
[11:31] <mameluke> it's an analog color like the standart one
[11:31] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) also, in order to represent the many peoples of Africa, 2/3 of the models are white.
[11:32] <__daniel> KneelBeforeXorg: thank god they dont show random linux users :-)
[11:32] <marcus|> haha
[11:32] <Talliesin> random linux users + heavy use of filters in GIMP maybe.
[11:33] <mameluke> hey. its my first wallpaper. I'm quite happy that it's good enough for a discussion :)
[11:33] <eruin> 2/3 are also female
[11:33] <eruin> to represent the linux community no doubt
[11:33] <eruin> ;P
[11:33] <Talliesin> mameluke, the day you do something that people on IRC won't talk about at all uninstall all graphics programs ;)
[11:33] <ogra> eruin: fairness (with a little hope in it :))
[11:34] <eruin> hehe
[11:34] <__daniel> i'm glad _this_ isnt like the ubuntu-artwork-discussions before :-)
[11:34] <eruin> I heard those were a bitch
[11:34] <ogra> eruin: it was terrible
[11:34] <mameluke> it's a discussion about woman, actually, i think
[11:34] <__daniel> they were all like "mummy, mummy, i saw a nearly-naked man today"
[11:35] <eruin> ogra, debian-twits-vs-gentoo-twits-terrible?
[11:35] <eruin> I heard they don't like nipples in a large western country
[11:35] <mameluke> lol
[11:36] <eruin> granted, the tits in question were drop-dead ugly ;)
[11:36] <mameluke> but Janet likes them
[11:36] <eruin> you said the J-word!
[11:36] <__daniel> i like the pictures-in-question
[11:37] <Talliesin> eruin, nipples in actual porn is pretty much accepted in the West. It's nipples that just happen to be part of someone's body (or heaven-forbid, are actually feeding a child) that causes outrage.
[11:37] <mameluke> use it
[11:37] <eruin> Talliesin, good one ;)
[11:47] <rapha> So there's nobody here having a problem with vesafb?
[11:47] <rapha> Well well...
[11:47] <topyli> ogra: let's sing a song!
[11:47] <rapha> Old MacDonald had a farm
[11:47] <rapha> Heeeaaa, heeeaaa ho!
[11:47] <ogra> lol
[11:48] <topyli> hehe
[11:48] <rapha> And on that farm he had some chicks
[11:48] <rapha> Yippeee yippee yo!
[11:48] <topyli> rapha: i think you have mistaken vodka for beer :)
[11:49] <rapha> You'll be surprised to learn that I did not consume any alcoholics or drugs at all.
[11:49] <rapha> It is simply in my nature.
[11:49] <topyli> i'm glad you can speak openly about that
[11:49] <__daniel> rapha: singing is what community is all about... isnt it? the ubuntu just got "community" wrong :-)
[11:49] <rapha> (You'll find other obscurities on schwarzschmid.de)
[11:49] <rapha> Hmm
[11:50] <rapha> Maybe it should be "Ubuntu Singing Group" instead of "Ubuntu Linux" then. And who the hell is Bill Gates anyway? :)
[11:50] <__daniel> rapha: ok... he never heard of community before
[11:50] <topyli> we'd sing only creative commons licensed songs
[11:51] <rapha> Sure
[11:52] <rapha> I'm afraid of the dark, I can talk to flowers, dragons know my name."
[11:52] <rapha> That's from a CCL song
[11:53] <topyli> see how CC fosters innovation!
[11:53] <rapha> Hah! You can't even tell which band I was quoting!
[11:54] <topyli> no. is it courtesy of Evil Record Label after all?
[11:54] <__daniel> rapha: it's from "the hoary hedgehogs"
[11:54] <topyli> heh
[11:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) rapha: flowers you say...
[11:56] <goonie> here's a silly question.. Am I using Alsa og OSS on a default 4.10 install?
[11:56] <rapha> Indeed GammaRay.
[11:57] <ogra> goonie: alsa
[11:57] <ogra> goonie: oss is dead
[11:57] <goonie> thx
[11:57] <topyli> goonie: alsa with oss-emulation enabled :)
[11:57] <ogra> __daniel: WHAT ?? 8O
[11:57] <rapha> But anyway, I was quoting Anylulu.
[11:57] <rapha> And now, good night everybody!
[11:57] <__daniel> ogra:  :-)
[11:58] <ogra> heh
[11:58] <ogra> i probably could whistle a bit though
[11:59] <ermo> Hmm. poor rapha. One beer and he's down for maintenance.
[11:59] <topyli> hehe
[11:59] <ogra> lol
[11:59] <__daniel> a pity, i won't be there
[11:59] <topyli> one beer, one song. that's his saturday night :(
[11:59] <binarydigit> where do i put fonts that i want to use