[12:01] Keybuk: and it's in a patch that has a bunch of stuff in it [12:01] heh. changelogs. [12:03] You use kernel-package? [12:03] doesn't it generate kernel-image packages, and not linux-image? [12:03] ANd not all those cool symlink stuff. [12:03] Or was that fixed? :) [12:03] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) the only difference between kernel-image and linux-image is the name afaik [12:04] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) i hope someone can enlighten us otherwise [12:04] well linux-source packages are a bit different. [12:04] They use a symlink farm of some sort in /usr/src [12:04] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) no kidding, thats why its called -source [12:04] make-kpkg never build those for me with kernel_source. [12:05] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) never built the linux-source? [12:05] the symlink farms. [12:05] is there a reason ubuntu hasn't upgraded to 2.6.9? [12:05] it just makes flat dirs in /usr/src === stratus [~st@200141217151.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@h196n5c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@h196n5c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-25-241.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FTTP [FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] hi [12:13] any hoary isos working yet? [12:13] tried a developmental snapshot which had issues === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-25-241.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] what kind of issues? [12:17] the 2.6.9 I tried had some crazy issues with kswapd [12:17] keybuk: Installer screen came out all messed up [12:17] it was not usable [12:17] its only a dev so.... [12:18] keybuk: Was work done to the newest daily snapshot? [12:18] or are there any releases which i can try for hoary which are more stable than the others? [12:18] not that I'm aware of ... I've not heard that bug [12:18] is it in Bugzilla (opened or closed?) [12:18] keybuk: I didnt report it [12:18] should I try the newest snapshot and report it? [12:19] sure [12:19] if it occurs again [12:19] ok [12:19] keybuk you a developer for ubuntu? [12:21] ish [12:21] :p [12:21] ish? [12:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: pft, you're well an ubuntu dev. :) [12:23] I work for Canonical, but most of my time isn't working on Ubuntu itself at the moment [12:24] ahh [12:24] what are you responsible for? [12:24] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: you're still an ubuntu developer, though [12:24] FTTP: "Special Projects", heh [12:24] such as? [12:24] or they cant be disclosed so they are SPECIAL :) [12:24] assassinating high level redhet executives. [12:24] hehe [12:25] Mithrandir: I didn't even have my key in the keyring until last week! [12:26] FTTP: heh, it's a joke ... Special Projects is the mythical dept. people get transferred to before they're made redundant [12:26] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: you didn't? that actually surprises me :) [12:28] Mithrandir: nah, almost the only stuff I've uploaded have been that big match of first-run merges [12:29] Mithrandir: would *you* want him uploading to Ubuntu? [12:29] Mithrandir: mdz just has good taste ;) [12:29] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: sure, I need my daily dose of crack. [12:29] Keybuk : have you spotted my BOF proposal for a python workshop? What do you think? :) [12:29] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: I haven't uploaded much either, though. [12:29] sivang: I thought "cool" :) [12:30] Mithrandir: craaaaaack [12:30] daniels: heh, the trouble with filling mdz's shoes on Tuesday was THEY'RE TOO SMALL! :p [12:30] heh :) [12:31] Keybuk : Feel free to add your comments there, maybe a list of requested reading before it, I want to come prepared :) [12:31] any 24 hour a day coders over at canocal? [12:31] :P [12:31] heh [12:31] FTTP: no, but I've hardly left my laptop in the last 5 days :P [12:31] sivang: "Dive into Python" :) [12:31] daniels: u know the link for the hoary isos? [12:31] the snapshots [12:32] Keybuk : ah, then I'm already set :) [12:32] cant seem to find the link [12:32] FTTP: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/, I'd imagine [12:32] ahhh [12:32] thanks [12:32] Keybuk: speaking of Python -- http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/old-to-new-ldap.py [12:32] ill bookmark that :P [12:32] Keybuk: check that baby out :) [12:32] Keybuk: the two password crypting functions are stolen from userdir-ldap, the rest is mine [12:32] daniels: what does that *do* ? [12:32] FTTP: we have coders in every timezone [12:33] and I've certainly done the odd 24+ when I've not noticed the sun come up again [12:33] Keybuk: takes an ldif of our old ldap database, generates an ldif of the new-format setup [12:33] Keybuk: lies [12:33] Keybuk: there's no-one in +1300 (NZ) [12:33] daniels: pedant :p you knew what I meant :p [12:33] or +0950, or +1050, or +1000 [12:33] daniels: aww, so it doesn't convert woody-era ldap to sarge-era ldap? :( [12:33] Keybuk: but yeah, the code is pretty horrible [12:33] -0300 ? [12:33] Keybuk: nope, just different formats of database [12:33] keybuk: Shouldnt you be coding now ? :) [12:33] heh [12:33] stratus: wtf is that? [12:33] oh wait your in special projects [12:33] i fergot [12:33] daniels: *cry* ... my ldap server is broke because of that [12:33] Keybuk: i.e. one from some horrid abortion called usradm to userdir-ldap [12:34] :P [12:34] keeps bitching about records not being structural [12:34] Keybuk: should happen ... oh, wack [12:34] Keybuk: how many records? [12:34] daniels, BRT of course. [12:34] stratus: oh, right [12:34] stratus: is that in line with us est, or is it an hour ahead? [12:34] stratus: because we have someone in est [12:35] daniels: not a huge number [12:35] but I can't figure out what it's talking about [12:35] oye. [12:35] and how I'm supposed to solve it [12:35] daniels, i guess not, checking... [12:35] Keybuk: meh, just do it by hand [12:35] dpkg is ugly [12:35] Keybuk: probably to do with your objectClasses [12:35] I added a silly structural record type to them all [12:35] then it bitched about having two structural types in some of the fields [12:35] and I declared that I couldn't win [12:35] daniels, no EST is -0500 [12:36] stratus: ah. in any case, actually, we do have people there. [12:36] keybuy: Array1 is more stable right? [12:36] err keybuk [12:36] daniels, np but not at -0300 ! [12:36] i tried the daily last time [12:36] Keybuk: you can never win with LDAP [12:36] Keybuk: just lose less horrendously badly [12:36] stratus: yes we do :) [12:36] stratus: i just realised we have some people in brazil [12:36] FTTP: *shrug* Array has Colin's hand-built touch [12:36] so theoretically it's more ... testable [12:36] yep [12:36] :P [12:36] daniels: tell me about it [12:36] hum, the archive is not updated ? [12:36] daniels, oh yes the guys at async? [12:37] from what I could tell, posixGroup is structural -- but then posixAccount *isn't* [12:37] the new gnumeric has built for hours and is still not available [12:37] Keybuk, you know much about parsedb and pkginfo struct? [12:37] stratus: aye [12:37] but organization is structural ... so what if something's both an Organisation and a POSIX Group?! [12:37] daniels, i see [12:37] wasabi: yeah, it's just a linked list of the state file [12:38] Posix group is messed up [12:38] nss_ldap also reads groupOfUniqueNames [12:38] Keybuk: yeah, don't use posixAccount [12:38] I believe. [12:38] well, I changed posixGroup anyway to have "gid" instead of "cn" [12:38] Keybuk: i use top/inetOrgPerson/shadowAccount/debianAccount/debianDeveloper [12:38] so maybe I just need to change that to be auxiliary [12:38] posixGroup is a pretty dumb class. [12:38] daniels: top isn't structural :-o [12:38] Keybuk: but iirc the old stuff was top/posixAccount/shadowAccount [12:39] Keybuk: in that case, none of our records are, but sarge/warty's ldap still loves me \o/ [12:41] slapadd: dn="dc=netsplit,dc=com" (line=7): (65) no structural object class provided [12:41] objectClass: top [12:41] ^ yet [12:42] dn: dc=freedesktop,dc=org [12:42] objectClass: top [12:42] objectClass: dcObject [12:42] objectClass: organization [12:42] o: freedesktop.org [12:42] dc: freedesktop [12:43] organization is structural === mojo [~mojo@220-244-212-78-vic.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] I hate ldap === Keybuk about -> <- this far away from dumping it and going back to passwd [12:44] Good morning all fellows [12:44] (kylem/#ubuntu-devel) ldap >>>>>>> nis. [12:44] will ubuntu have enuff capital to compete with the likes of novell + redhat? [12:45] I no longer can sync with CVS from gnome.org/gnome-icons [12:45] developers are top notch i know [12:45] :) [12:45] but i worry about capital [12:45] does anyone know something wrong with the CVS server? [12:45] FTTP: we have a similar amount of capital in the bank as RedHat, as I understand it [12:45] keybuk: Novell has 500mil + [12:45] it won a microsoft lawsuit [12:45] yeah, but Novell is a much larger business than Ximian [12:45] yeah but redhat is making money. [12:46] kylem: represent [12:46] =) [12:46] anyway, this is all horrifically offtopic (novell, ldap, stuff) [12:46] anyways [12:46] (kylem/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, and take it from me, i administrate both. :( [12:46] burning dev cd [12:47] keybuk: We will see :) [12:47] keybuk: When hoary comes out we will know more [12:47] FTTP: true, but then RedHat have to go begging for more money, we just have to excite the boss [12:47] actually, the "plan" is to be starting to make money in 18 months time [12:47] shuttleworth is easy? :) [12:47] so more perky-era [12:47] hehe [12:48] keybuk: From what? just support? [12:48] keybuk: I hope your right :) seen too many distros come out and go poof [12:48] ubuntu has so much potential [12:48] anyways back to dev chat [12:49] ---------pretend im not here [12:49] :P [12:51] So, who "makes decisions"? === Keybuk gives up and goes back to /etc/passwd [12:52] wasabi: it's complicated [12:52] the developers make decisions [12:52] but if they can't reach consensus, they can ask either the technical board or the community council to make a decision for them [12:53] and if they can't reach consensus, we ask Mark [12:54] Otherwise it's just like Debian, people do what they think they should do whenever? [12:55] kinda, the tech board and sabdfl both set direction for people to head in [12:56] Hmm. [12:57] Dpkg is confusing me to no end. [12:57] it's good at that [12:57] (sabdfl/#ubuntu-devel) it's usually the pointy end that gets the most confused by dpkg though [12:58] I found parsedb(), which reads hte control file... but I have no idea what it's doing with the values. [12:58] discarding them? :) [12:58] puts them in the package info list [12:58] struct pkginfo? [01:00] Are there any plans for LTSP work in Ubuntu? [01:00] the package list is global, so it doesn't get passed in or out, just added to in general [01:04] oh, would it help to know findpackage always returns? [01:05] so if you try and find a package that doesn't exist, you get an empty record to fill in? [01:05] heh. [01:05] Right now im just trying to figure out how to expose my new control fields to the code. [01:05] thus pig=findpackage(newpig.name); actually makes a record [01:05] And I don't understand the relation of the pkginfo struct to the deb and to the currently installed packages [01:05] add it to the fieldinfos [01:06] if a package is currently installed, the pkginfo struct you receive makes note of it [01:06] fieldinfos [01:06] where? [01:07] top of parse.c [01:07] oh. that. [01:07] ;) [01:09] f_whatever = type, w_whatever = ???, other col = ??? [01:10] name, read function, write function, offset in structure [01:11] (or some other integer you want to pass to them) === FTTP [FTTP@207-38-252-211.c3-0.wsd-ubr1.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] anyone know about module hid in hoary? [01:20] FTTP : it has one? doesn't it? [01:21] lol [01:21] i tried the developmental daily snapshot [01:21] it says fatal error module hid not found [01:21] so nope it doesnt [01:25] Keybuk, in pkginfo, struct pkginfoperfile installed; struct pkginfoperfile available; Is available the instance of hte package attempting to be installed, and installation the one that is already installed (or null)? [01:26] installed is the one in the status file [01:26] available is the one "on the FTP site" [01:26] cool. [01:26] (ie. in the available file) [01:26] neither are the one on disk [01:26] eh? [01:27] oh you mean in the archive? [01:27] yeah [01:27] Yeah, the archive is just for apt. [01:27] remember, APT is a "relatively" new invention [01:27] but if I do dpkg -i /blah/blah.deb, available refers to that one [01:27] no. [01:27] the available file is populated by "dselect update" [01:27] and mucked around with by dselect [01:28] Well im totally confused then [01:29] What is the one "being installed right now"? [01:29] neither [01:29] well im totally confused then. [01:29] parsedb(cidir, pdb_recordavailable|pdb_rejectstatus|pdb_ignorefiles|pdb_weakclassification, &pkg,NULL,NULL); [01:30] does that not read the control file from the .deb being installed? [01:30] there's a "pkginqueue" struct [01:30] not that I can see. === _rene__ [~rene@dsl-082-083-168-100.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] hid = Human interface device right? [01:31] so thats the mouse, keyboard [01:31] correct. [01:31] yeah, that call passes &pkg to parsedb (donep) so parsedb returns the pig [01:32] pig stands for? [01:32] wasabi can one submit code changes? [01:32] FTTP, to? [01:32] i mean suggestions [01:32] pig [01:32] piggy wiggy [01:32] go oink, have tails [01:32] ... [01:32] wasabi to fix bugs like hid not found :P [01:32] iwj likes calling packages pigs [01:32] FTTP, I'd imagine so. [01:32] we don't ask why [01:32] FTTP, bugzilla. [01:32] wasabi ok [01:32] okaaay. [01:33] :) [01:33] well hell. I dont get it. [01:33] K [01:34] parsedb returns a pkginfo. This pkginfo has an installed and available struct. They are not representative of what is being installed. [01:34] pkginqueue (which I cannot find) [01:34] is. [01:34] ah, sorry [01:34] I see your confusion there [01:35] yeah, that parsedb call is told to fill the available pkginfoperfile struct [01:35] newpifp= (flags & pdb_recordavailable) ? &newpig.available : &newpig.installed [01:38] inside process_archive, pkg->available is the one you're processing, pkg->installed is the one you're replacing (if any) [01:38] I thought you were in another function (the one that calls process_archive) === _rene__ is now known as _rene_ [02:17] Keybuk, if the field isn't found in the control file, w/f_whatever are not called, right? === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] right === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] daniels? [02:40] sup [02:40] daniels: when changing s3 to vesa and removing BUSID line, system boots to 640x480 unchangeable resolution. at ~256 color [02:40] it's ugly.. what next? [02:40] ugh [02:41] have you got a HorizSync and VertRefresh set of lines in there? if so, delete them and try that [02:41] nope, lines aren't there. [02:43] did you ever get lspci -vvv output? [02:44] can't remember, sorry [02:44] just plain lspci should be sufficient (you can paste it here if you like -- just the display line) [02:44] daniels : btw, are we anyway close with Xorg to be able to exploit capable displays for 100hz Vert refreshes? [02:44] sivang: um should work anyway if you just remove the HS/VR lines [02:44] and that's going away soon anyway [02:46] anyway, I have to go crash now [02:46] daniels : I remember fabbione told me that I Need to add a specific rate line.. [02:46] daniels : ok I will give it a try :) [02:46] night! [02:46] night [02:51] daniels: 0000:01:01.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01) [02:54] night daniels. [03:04] daniels: when did you say that fix for the UTF-8 stuff was going in? === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spotter [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] Is there a difference b/w a release w/ a -(num)ubuntu(num) version over a plain -(num) version === spotter is now known as shaya [05:36] morning guys [05:45] fabbione: maybe you can answer this Q for me [05:45] Is there a difference b/w a release w/ a -(num)ubuntu(num) version over a plain -(num) version [05:47] shaya: i don't grok the question... [05:47] is that for a package? [05:47] or for the distro? [05:48] fabbione: package [05:49] for example, I'll upgade from a -2ubunutu1 versione package to a -3 version [05:49] then to a -3ubuntu1 [05:49] shaya: the one with *ubuntu* are packages that contains modification [05:49] done by us [05:49] the others are plain imported from Debian [05:49] so in the above example, first they imported from Debian, then they redid the modifications? [05:50] yes [05:50] is that a "safe" upgrade? [05:50] shaya: it should [05:50] i guess its only an issue w/ hoary [05:50] [UPGRADE] zip 2.30-6ubuntu1 -> 2.30-8 [05:50] for instance [05:50] if you are running hoary it might be not [05:50] hoary is unstable [05:50] and can break [05:50] yes yes [05:51] I ran unstable for 4 years on my work laptop [05:51] just need to get used to how hoary works [05:51] hence the Qs [05:51] it's the same concept [05:51] personally, I think hoary would be a great name for unstable (though I guess warty would be too) [05:57] I'm pretty happy not having a real unstable. === maskie [~maskie@196-30-110-214.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-15-19.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:32] ehem [07:32] can someone tell me how to enable the MPEG4 codec of RealPlayer 10 without recompiling? 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[12:07] since when glibc-2.3.2.ds1 is a package on its own? === infinity [adconrad@S010600e029962405.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] it's not [12:12] but ... huh [12:12] that first - needs to be a = [12:13] ahh [12:13] never mind [12:13] i figured [12:14] it was a leftover of a symlink in my archive === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] Morning all [12:43] daniels: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/xresprobe.diff [12:43] daniels: do you have any objection to this change? [12:43] tested and it works [12:44] fabbione: please do the same for ia64 [12:45] daniels: was it tested on ia64? [12:46] ifeq ($(ARCH),sparc) [12:46] DDC_OBJS += stub.o [12:46] endif [12:46] ifeq ($(ARCH),ia64) [12:46] DDC_OBJS += stub.o [12:46] endif [12:46] ok? [12:46] looks good to me [12:47] daniels : btw, my cousin using your thinkpad-x40-package , got really AMAZED by it, I almost lost him to FC3, but then he broke up and cried for not having his WiFi support and came back :) hehe [12:47] i can't test ia64 yet [12:47] sparc works [12:47] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: that "yet" sounds dangerous.. getting one? :) [12:47] sivang: heh! [12:47] Mithrandir: no way i am gonna buy ia64 :-) [12:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: I was more thinking of sabdfl throwing one in your direction to get xorg rocking on one. [12:49] Mithrandir: i think daniels will get access to the porting box [12:49] + we already have the MANIFEST files [12:49] and xorg builds fine there [12:49] xresprobe is up [12:51] i hate when katie is soooo silent [12:52] fabbione : who is katie? [12:52] katie's elmo's girlfriend. [12:53] sivang: katie is one of elmo's gf [12:53] fabbione : one? how many does he have? :) [12:53] several.. [12:53] A dozen or so. [12:53] At least. [12:53] i think she is not around at all [12:53] infinity: at least two or three dozen [12:54] daniels: could you see the message going trouh? [12:54] trough? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-109.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] not yet, but I haven't been able to convince @c.c to love me yet [12:56] http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.26&cvsroot=dak [12:56] Has he added more ladies for Ubuntu's use? [12:56] infinity: i think so :-) [12:59] daniels : funny, he has all this hardware support, and complains about not having gaim 1.0.3 in warty, How rude! :) [01:00] heh [01:02] i don't think they are running at all [01:02] elmo: one of your gf is ill [01:02] elmo: time to call the doctor === sivang is now known as sivang_away === tim1 [~Tim@pD9531B5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] hello everyone === herzi [~herzi@c167150.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang_away is now known as sivang === herz1 [~herzi@d002001.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@h196n1c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-109.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-26-109.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [~nafallo@h196n1c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Matt| [~Matt|@81-178-126-223.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:46] hi all. Sorry to butt in but I have a hoary question, and it's not gonna be answered in #ubuntu. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution? haven't changed the configuration since updating. [03:47] since the convert thing basically just copies the XF86 config, it should work [03:47] i'm not an X whiz though [03:47] no this was not the convert [03:47] it was an xorg update [03:48] was working fine with the last xorg packages before i updated [03:48] RubenV, thanks for replying btw [03:48] look in the changelogs of something concerning your mouse changed [03:48] maybe that'll give a hint [03:48] i'll try :/ [03:49] Matt|: gotta do something to contribute [03:49] me? [03:49] giving some irc help is the best i can do at the moment for the open source community [03:49] oh i c [03:50] :) [03:50] magnificent C skills coming up though ;) [03:50] *grins* [03:50] i have no such skills [03:50] i am soon to be a lawyer ;p [03:50] nice [03:50] i was thinking that it would be amazing to work as a lawyer for an open source company [03:50] defend the gpl [03:51] yeah [03:51] any idea where I would find the changelogs? [03:53] synaptic has a way to do so [03:53] it's in the menu somewhere [03:53] oh ok [03:56] RubenV, nope can't see anything [03:56] there is a mouse thing, but a different protocol [03:57] hmmm [03:57] your X config is still intact? [03:58] it's a laptop so i guess it's an usb mouse, does it get detected when you plug it in? === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:59] no it is ps2 [03:59] xconfig seems ok [03:59] when i plug it in, the light on the touchpad goes out, as it usually does when I plug a mouse in, but then it comes back on again. [03:59] i've tried with 2 mice [04:00] i guess i need to try a live disk to make sure it isn't a hardware error :( === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] normally, afaik PS2 is not plug'nplay [04:07] but i could be wrong [04:07] hardware ain't really my thing [04:07] RubenV, mine has always worked fine like that. but I've rebooted too and it still doesn't work [04:08] Be RiGhT bAcK i'll try and boot knoppix or something === Matt| [~Matt|@81-178-126-223.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:16] RubenV, it doesn't work in knoppix either. Guess there must be something wrong with the mouse port :(((( [04:17] Matt|: can't judge about that, i'm no hardware specialist [04:17] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) you can't hotplug ps2 mice, no. ps2 keyboards you usually can, but some people claim to have fried their hardware doing that. [04:18] hi Mithrandir [04:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) hi Matt| === doko [doko@dsl-082-082-213-040.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-56-3331.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo [nafallo@h196n1c1o1027.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RubenV [~lambda1@83-134-126-137.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:24] hehe, latest synaptic wants to run as root ;) [05:26] that is normal no? [05:27] ie it asks for the root password, not the users password [05:27] fine here [05:28] the password dialog says "Please enter root's password" [05:28] if you're running it from the menu it should be gksudo /usr/bin/synaptic === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:30] oh yeah, forgot to check that. the menu item got moved from the computer menu to the applications menu (system) and now spells gksu instead of gksudo [05:30] eruin, you must have moved it ;) [05:31] it's still in Computer here [05:31] nope, I just did a dist-upgrade thru synaptic and it moved all by itself [05:31] dunno why that could be [05:31] what version you got installer? [05:31] *d [05:31] hang on [05:32] 0.55+cvs20041116-1 [05:32] <- 0.55+cvs20041119-1 [05:32] yeah. [05:33] oh [05:33] lemme see [05:33] i guess they just take the packages from debian or something and forgot to change it [05:34] yeah, probably [05:36] are you putting in a bug? [05:37] yeah, I thought I'd ask here first though... since it seems like just a slight goofup [05:37] mm === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:56] mjg59: u there? [06:00] elmo: libgnomeprintui sync please === BradB [~bradb@modemcable202.193-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IRCMonkey_ [~chatzilla@AMontsouris-152-1-5-76.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] hi [06:11] is there a rescue mode on the CD ? [06:11] Why not ? [06:11] I have installed ubuntu on a slave disk without lilo and grub [06:12] I success to boot with a debian rescue disk [06:12] is it possible to add a mode rescue on the CD ? === RubenV [~lambda1@83-134-126-137.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BradB [~bradb@modemcable202.193-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] elmo: sync for "libgnomeprintui gtksourceview glade-2 gail gtkhtml3.2" please :) === Mitario [~michiel@sikkes.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless_ [~robertc@dsl-62.22.240.220.rns02-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont arrives home, wanders off to spend time with the family === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-25-191.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: done [07:10] thanks === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [~daniels@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-181.4.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [~daniels@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:58] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mjg59: not putting up source packages for your uberkernels make bayb jeebus cry [08:00] hey daniels you do get around huh ;p === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-2-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels_ [~daniels@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bob2_ [~rob@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:03] bob2: why don't you just install the binary packages? [08:03] daniels_: foad, i386-boy [08:04] hey daniels you do get around huh ;p [08:04] come to visit our fine country? [08:05] Matt|: yeah, been here for a week [08:05] ah k [08:05] how do ya like it? [08:06] bob2, you too huh? [08:06] yeah, not too bad [08:06] *laughs* [08:06] convincing ;) [08:07] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) heh [08:07] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) I'm amazed the eye doesn't fall over [08:07] LOL [08:07] Matt|: tired [08:08] bob2, the sign of a true geek :) [08:08] bob2, you've already calculated the engineering of the eye [08:10] anyway have a nice time [08:10] do we have any known issues with usb cdroms, something about having /dev/sr0 instead of /dev/scd0 ? [08:11] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, the fact it stands shows I don't know jack about engineering [08:11] go and see the lloyds building it's cool [08:11] if you want a tourist tip [08:11] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) where's that? [08:11] hang on [08:12] http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Lloyds_Building.html [08:12] it's like someone turned it inside out [08:14] http://www.mykreeve.net/london/the_city/lloyds_building/ [08:15] (if you have time for touristing) :) [08:16] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, not much, sadly [08:16] :( [08:16] watcha doing here? [08:20] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) some team stuff before the spain meeting [08:21] bonding huh [08:21] :) [08:22] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, and drinking [08:22] well england is good for that :( === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] have fun guys === spotter [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:33] anyone upgrade pmount today and screwed up their dvd mounting? [08:35] (mjg59/#ubuntu-devel) bob2: Heh. Good point. === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:45] still no package for transset available? === jdz_ [~jdz@chpau.oxfordnetworks.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kyaneos [~Kyaneos@80-29-42-69.adsl.nuria.telefonica-data.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] hi [09:09] cool...i created my first deb === herzi_lap [~herzi@d002001.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) that reminds me [09:17] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) if i would like to see X package added to ubuntu [09:18] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) do i need to have it sponsored in debian? === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] tseng: that's one way, certainly [09:27] we're still working out how direct-to-universe will work [09:27] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) hm-k === tseng hits the new-maint guide again [09:29] certainly you should follow debian-policy and the maint-guide *anyway* [09:29] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) yes :) [09:30] the only difference between a correct Ubuntu package, and a correct Debian package is where you send it [09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) was looking for the proceedure to getting a package sponsored [09:30] find a sponsor [09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) my packages are correct [09:30] I think there's a website for that these days [09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) im looking @ mentors.d.o [09:33] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) oh, jdub added tomboy already [09:36] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: ping === hazmat [~hazmat@register.rice.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-65-27.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d002001.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-13-66.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-25-241.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-2-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RubenV [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak_ [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-25-241.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mjg59: http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/albook-ibookg4-sleep-3.diff, if you want to pimp up the source package with ppc-sleep love === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dasenjo [~dasenjo@200.21.83.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-13-66.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matt| [~Matt|@81-178-126-223.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] bob2: good flight? [10:48] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) loooong [10:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) when are you coming down? [10:49] tomorrow morning [10:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ah [10:49] should be at Mark's for 9ish or so === stratus [~st@200141119003.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:52] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ah, have to get up early then ;-) [10:54] yeah, leave here about 6 === herzi_lap [~herzi@d002001.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === smurfix_ [~smurf@run.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cenerentola [~cenerento@host34-170.pool8290.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) anyone got an upload to do by any chance? === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel