[12:01] <mxpxpod> Keybuk: and it's in a patch that has a bunch of stuff in it
[12:01] <wasabi> heh. changelogs.
[12:03] <wasabi> You use kernel-package?
[12:03] <wasabi> doesn't it generate kernel-image packages, and not linux-image?
[12:03] <wasabi> ANd not all those cool symlink stuff.
[12:03] <wasabi> Or was that fixed? :)
[12:03] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) the only difference between kernel-image and linux-image is the name afaik
[12:04] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) i hope someone can enlighten us otherwise
[12:04] <wasabi> well linux-source packages are a bit different.
[12:04] <wasabi> They use a symlink farm of some sort in /usr/src
[12:04] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) no kidding, thats why its called -source
[12:04] <wasabi> make-kpkg never build those for me with kernel_source.
[12:05] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) never built the linux-source?
[12:05] <wasabi> the symlink farms.
[12:05] <mxpxpod> is there a reason ubuntu hasn't upgraded to 2.6.9?
[12:05] <wasabi> it just makes flat dirs in /usr/src
[12:13] <FTTP> hi
[12:13] <FTTP> any hoary isos working yet?
[12:13] <FTTP> tried a developmental snapshot which had issues
[12:17] <Keybuk> what kind of issues?
[12:17] <eruin> the 2.6.9 I tried had some crazy issues with kswapd
[12:17] <FTTP> keybuk:  Installer screen came out all messed up
[12:17] <FTTP> it was not usable
[12:17] <FTTP> its only a dev so....
[12:18] <FTTP> keybuk:  Was work done to the newest daily snapshot?
[12:18] <FTTP> or are there any releases which i can try for hoary which are more stable than the others?
[12:18] <Keybuk> not that I'm aware of ... I've not heard that bug
[12:18] <Keybuk> is it in Bugzilla (opened or closed?)
[12:18] <FTTP> keybuk:  I didnt report it
[12:18] <FTTP> should I try the newest snapshot and report it?
[12:19] <Keybuk> sure
[12:19] <FTTP> if it occurs again
[12:19] <FTTP> ok
[12:19] <FTTP> keybuk you a developer for ubuntu?
[12:21] <Keybuk> ish
[12:21] <Keybuk> :p
[12:21] <FTTP> ish?
[12:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: pft, you're well an ubuntu dev. :)
[12:23] <Keybuk> I work for Canonical, but most of my time isn't working on Ubuntu itself at the moment
[12:24] <FTTP> ahh
[12:24] <FTTP> what are you responsible for? 
[12:24] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: you're still an ubuntu developer, though
[12:24] <Keybuk> FTTP: "Special Projects", heh
[12:24] <FTTP> such as?
[12:24] <FTTP> or they cant be disclosed so they are SPECIAL :)
[12:24] <wasabi> assassinating high level redhet executives.
[12:24] <FTTP> hehe
[12:25] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: I didn't even have my key in the keyring until last week!
[12:26] <Keybuk> FTTP: heh, it's a joke ... Special Projects is the mythical dept. people get transferred to before they're made redundant
[12:26] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: you didn't?  that actually surprises me :)
[12:28] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: nah, almost the only stuff I've uploaded have been that big match of first-run merges
[12:29] <daniels> Mithrandir: would *you* want him uploading to Ubuntu?
[12:29] <daniels> Mithrandir: mdz just has good taste ;)
[12:29] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: sure, I need my daily dose of crack.
[12:29] <sivang> Keybuk : have you spotted my BOF proposal for a python workshop? What do you think? :)
[12:29] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: I haven't uploaded much either, though.
[12:29] <Keybuk> sivang: I thought "cool" :)
[12:30] <daniels> Mithrandir: craaaaaack
[12:30] <Keybuk> daniels: heh, the trouble with filling mdz's shoes on Tuesday was THEY'RE TOO SMALL! :p
[12:30] <daniels> heh :)
[12:31] <sivang> Keybuk : Feel free to add your comments there, maybe a list of requested reading before it, I want to come prepared :)
[12:31] <FTTP> any 24 hour a day coders over at canocal?
[12:31] <FTTP> :P
[12:31] <FTTP> heh
[12:31] <daniels> FTTP: no, but I've hardly left my laptop in the last 5 days :P
[12:31] <Keybuk> sivang: "Dive into Python" :)
[12:31] <FTTP> daniels:  u know the link for the hoary isos?
[12:31] <FTTP> the snapshots
[12:32] <sivang> Keybuk : ah, then I'm already set :)
[12:32] <FTTP> cant seem to find the link 
[12:32] <daniels> FTTP: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/, I'd imagine
[12:32] <FTTP> ahhh
[12:32] <FTTP> thanks
[12:32] <daniels> Keybuk: speaking of Python -- http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/old-to-new-ldap.py
[12:32] <FTTP> ill bookmark that :P
[12:32] <daniels> Keybuk: check that baby out :)
[12:32] <daniels> Keybuk: the two password crypting functions are stolen from userdir-ldap, the rest is mine
[12:32] <Keybuk> daniels: what does that *do* ?
[12:32] <Keybuk> FTTP: we have coders in every timezone
[12:33] <Keybuk> and I've certainly done the odd 24+ when I've not noticed the sun come up again
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: takes an ldif of our old ldap database, generates an ldif of the new-format setup
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: lies
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: there's no-one in +1300 (NZ)
[12:33] <Keybuk> daniels: pedant :p  you knew what I meant :p
[12:33] <daniels> or +0950, or +1050, or +1000
[12:33] <Keybuk> daniels: aww, so it doesn't convert woody-era ldap to sarge-era ldap? :(
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: but yeah, the code is pretty horrible
[12:33] <stratus> -0300 ?
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: nope, just different formats of database
[12:33] <FTTP> keybuk:  Shouldnt you be coding now ? :)
[12:33] <FTTP> heh
[12:33] <daniels> stratus: wtf is that?
[12:33] <FTTP> oh wait your in special projects
[12:33] <FTTP> i fergot
[12:33] <Keybuk> daniels: *cry* ... my ldap server is broke because of that
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: i.e. one from some horrid abortion called usradm to userdir-ldap
[12:34] <FTTP> :P
[12:34] <Keybuk> keeps bitching about records not being structural
[12:34] <daniels> Keybuk: should happen ... oh, wack
[12:34] <daniels> Keybuk: how many records?
[12:34] <stratus> daniels, BRT of course.
[12:34] <daniels> stratus: oh, right
[12:34] <daniels> stratus: is that in line with us est, or is it an hour ahead?
[12:34] <daniels> stratus: because we have someone in est
[12:35] <Keybuk> daniels: not a huge number
[12:35] <Keybuk> but I can't figure out what it's talking about
[12:35] <wasabi> oye.
[12:35] <Keybuk> and how I'm supposed to solve it
[12:35] <stratus> daniels, i guess not, checking...
[12:35] <daniels> Keybuk: meh, just do it by hand
[12:35] <wasabi> dpkg is ugly
[12:35] <daniels> Keybuk: probably to do with your objectClasses
[12:35] <Keybuk> I added a silly structural record type to them all
[12:35] <Keybuk> then it bitched about having two structural types in some of the fields
[12:35] <Keybuk> and I declared that I couldn't win
[12:35] <stratus> daniels, no EST is -0500
[12:36] <daniels> stratus: ah.  in any case, actually, we do have people there.
[12:36] <FTTP> keybuy: Array1 is more stable right?
[12:36] <FTTP> err keybuk
[12:36] <stratus> daniels, np but not at -0300 !
[12:36] <FTTP> i tried the daily last time
[12:36] <daniels> Keybuk: you can never win with LDAP
[12:36] <daniels> Keybuk: just lose less horrendously badly
[12:36] <daniels> stratus: yes we do :)
[12:36] <daniels> stratus: i just realised we have some people in brazil
[12:36] <Keybuk> FTTP: *shrug* Array has Colin's hand-built touch
[12:36] <Keybuk> so theoretically it's more ... testable
[12:36] <FTTP> yep
[12:36] <FTTP> :P
[12:36] <Keybuk> daniels: tell me about it
[12:36] <seb128> hum, the archive is not updated ?
[12:36] <stratus> daniels, oh yes the guys at async?
[12:37] <Keybuk> from what I could tell, posixGroup is structural -- but then posixAccount *isn't*
[12:37] <seb128> the new gnumeric has built for hours and is still not available
[12:37] <wasabi> Keybuk, you know much about parsedb and pkginfo struct?
[12:37] <daniels> stratus: aye
[12:37] <Keybuk> but organization is structural ... so what if something's both an Organisation and a POSIX Group?!
[12:37] <stratus> daniels, i see
[12:37] <Keybuk> wasabi: yeah, it's just a linked list of the state file
[12:38] <wasabi> Posix group is messed up
[12:38] <wasabi> nss_ldap also reads groupOfUniqueNames
[12:38] <daniels> Keybuk: yeah, don't use posixAccount
[12:38] <wasabi> I believe.
[12:38] <Keybuk> well, I changed posixGroup anyway to have "gid" instead of "cn"
[12:38] <daniels> Keybuk: i use top/inetOrgPerson/shadowAccount/debianAccount/debianDeveloper
[12:38] <Keybuk> so maybe I just need to change that to be auxiliary
[12:38] <wasabi> posixGroup is a pretty dumb class.
[12:38] <Keybuk> daniels: top isn't structural :-o
[12:38] <daniels> Keybuk: but iirc the old stuff was top/posixAccount/shadowAccount
[12:39] <daniels> Keybuk: in that case, none of our records are, but sarge/warty's ldap still loves me \o/
[12:41] <Keybuk> slapadd: dn="dc=netsplit,dc=com" (line=7): (65) no structural object class provided
[12:41] <Keybuk> objectClass: top
[12:41] <Keybuk> ^ yet
[12:42] <daniels> dn: dc=freedesktop,dc=org
[12:42] <daniels> objectClass: top
[12:42] <daniels> objectClass: dcObject
[12:42] <daniels> objectClass: organization
[12:42] <daniels> o: freedesktop.org
[12:42] <daniels> dc: freedesktop
[12:43] <Keybuk> organization is structural
[12:44] <Keybuk> I hate ldap
[12:44] <mojo> Good morning all fellows
[12:44] (kylem/#ubuntu-devel) ldap >>>>>>> nis.
[12:44] <FTTP> will ubuntu have enuff capital to compete with the likes of novell + redhat?
[12:45] <mojo> I no longer can sync with CVS from gnome.org/gnome-icons
[12:45] <FTTP> developers are top notch i know
[12:45] <FTTP> :)
[12:45] <FTTP> but i worry about capital 
[12:45] <mojo> does anyone know something wrong with the CVS server?
[12:45] <Keybuk> FTTP: we have a similar amount of capital in the bank as RedHat, as I understand it
[12:45] <FTTP> keybuk:  Novell has 500mil +
[12:45] <FTTP> it won a microsoft lawsuit <grin>
[12:45] <Keybuk> yeah, but Novell is a much larger business than Ximian
[12:45] <wasabi> yeah but redhat is making money.
[12:46] <daniels> kylem: represent
[12:46] <wasabi> =)
[12:46] <daniels> anyway, this is all horrifically offtopic (novell, ldap, stuff)
[12:46] <FTTP> anyways
[12:46] (kylem/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, and take it from me, i administrate both. :(
[12:46] <FTTP> burning dev cd
[12:47] <FTTP> keybuk:  We will see :)
[12:47] <FTTP> keybuk:  When hoary comes out we will know more 
[12:47] <Keybuk> FTTP: true, but then RedHat have to go begging for more money, we just have to excite the boss
[12:47] <Keybuk> actually, the "plan" is to be starting to make money in 18 months time
[12:47] <FTTP> shuttleworth is easy? :)
[12:47] <Keybuk> so more perky-era
[12:47] <FTTP> hehe
[12:48] <FTTP> keybuk:  From what?  just support?
[12:48] <FTTP> keybuk:  I hope your right :) seen too many distros come out and go poof
[12:48] <FTTP> ubuntu has so much potential
[12:48] <FTTP> anyways back to dev chat
[12:49] <FTTP> ---------pretend im not here
[12:49] <FTTP> :P
[12:51] <wasabi> So, who "makes decisions"?
[12:52] <Keybuk> wasabi: it's complicated
[12:52] <Keybuk> the developers make decisions
[12:52] <Keybuk> but if they can't reach consensus, they can ask either the technical board or the community council to make a decision for them
[12:53] <Keybuk> and if they can't reach consensus, we ask Mark
[12:54] <wasabi> Otherwise it's just like Debian, people do what they think they should do whenever?
[12:55] <Keybuk> kinda, the tech board and sabdfl both set direction for people to head in
[12:56] <wasabi> Hmm.
[12:57] <wasabi> Dpkg is confusing me to no end.
[12:57] <Keybuk> it's good at that
[12:57] (sabdfl/#ubuntu-devel) it's usually the pointy end that gets the most confused by dpkg though
[12:58] <wasabi> I found parsedb(), which reads hte control file... but I have no idea what it's doing with the values.
[12:58] <stratus> discarding them? :)
[12:58] <Keybuk> puts them in the package info list
[12:58] <wasabi> struct pkginfo?
[01:00] <jdz_> Are there any plans for LTSP work in Ubuntu?
[01:00] <Keybuk> the package list is global, so it doesn't get passed in or out, just added to in general
[01:04] <Keybuk> oh, would it help to know findpackage always returns?
[01:05] <Keybuk> so if you try and find a package that doesn't exist, you get an empty record to fill in?
[01:05] <wasabi> heh.
[01:05] <wasabi> Right now im just trying to figure out how to expose my new control fields to the code.
[01:05] <Keybuk> thus pig=findpackage(newpig.name); actually makes a record
[01:05] <wasabi> And I don't understand the relation of the pkginfo struct to the deb and to the currently installed packages
[01:05] <Keybuk> add it to the fieldinfos
[01:06] <wasabi> if a package is currently installed, the pkginfo struct you receive makes note of it
[01:06] <wasabi> fieldinfos
[01:06] <wasabi> where?
[01:07] <Keybuk> top of parse.c
[01:07] <wasabi> oh. that.
[01:07] <wasabi> ;)
[01:09] <wasabi> f_whatever = type, w_whatever = ???, other col = ???
[01:10] <Keybuk> name, read function, write function, offset in structure
[01:11] <Keybuk> (or some other integer you want to pass to them)
[01:20] <FTTP> anyone know about module hid in hoary?
[01:20] <sivang> FTTP : it has one? doesn't it?
[01:21] <FTTP> lol
[01:21] <FTTP> i tried the developmental daily snapshot
[01:21] <FTTP> it says fatal error module hid not found
[01:21] <FTTP> so nope it doesnt 
[01:25] <wasabi> Keybuk, in pkginfo,   struct pkginfoperfile installed;  struct pkginfoperfile available;   Is available the instance of hte package attempting to be installed, and installation the one that is already installed (or null)?
[01:26] <Keybuk> installed is the one in the status file
[01:26] <Keybuk> available is the one "on the FTP site"
[01:26] <wasabi> cool.
[01:26] <Keybuk> (ie. in the available file)
[01:26] <Keybuk> neither are the one on disk
[01:26] <wasabi> eh?
[01:27] <wasabi> oh you mean in the archive?
[01:27] <Keybuk> yeah
[01:27] <wasabi> Yeah, the archive is just for apt.
[01:27] <Keybuk> remember, APT is a "relatively" new invention
[01:27] <wasabi> but if I do dpkg -i /blah/blah.deb, available refers to that one
[01:27] <Keybuk> no.
[01:27] <Keybuk> the available file is populated by "dselect update"
[01:27] <Keybuk> and mucked around with by dselect
[01:28] <wasabi> Well im totally confused then
[01:29] <wasabi> What is the one "being installed right now"?
[01:29] <Keybuk> neither
[01:29] <wasabi> well im totally confused then.
[01:29] <wasabi> parsedb(cidir, pdb_recordavailable|pdb_rejectstatus|pdb_ignorefiles|pdb_weakclassification,          &pkg,NULL,NULL);
[01:30] <wasabi> does that not read the control file from the .deb being installed?
[01:30] <Keybuk> there's a "pkginqueue" struct
[01:30] <wasabi> not that I can see.
[01:31] <FTTP> hid = Human interface device right?
[01:31] <FTTP> so thats the mouse, keyboard
[01:31] <wasabi> correct.
[01:31] <Keybuk> yeah, that call passes &pkg to parsedb (donep) so parsedb returns the pig
[01:32] <wasabi> pig stands for?
[01:32] <FTTP> wasabi can one submit code changes?
[01:32] <wasabi> FTTP, to?
[01:32] <FTTP> i mean suggestions
[01:32] <Keybuk> pig
[01:32] <Keybuk> piggy wiggy
[01:32] <Keybuk> go oink, have tails
[01:32] <wasabi> ...
[01:32] <FTTP> wasabi to fix bugs like hid not found :P
[01:32] <Keybuk> iwj likes calling packages pigs
[01:32] <wasabi> FTTP, I'd imagine so.
[01:32] <Keybuk> we don't ask why
[01:32] <wasabi> FTTP, bugzilla.
[01:32] <FTTP> wasabi ok
[01:32] <wasabi> okaaay.
[01:33] <FTTP> :)
[01:33] <wasabi> well hell. I dont get it.
[01:33] <Keybuk> K
[01:34] <wasabi> parsedb returns a pkginfo. This pkginfo has an installed and available struct. They are not representative of what is being installed.
[01:34] <wasabi> pkginqueue (which I cannot find)
[01:34] <wasabi> is.
[01:34] <Keybuk> ah, sorry
[01:34] <Keybuk> I see your confusion there
[01:35] <Keybuk> yeah, that parsedb call is told to fill the available pkginfoperfile struct
[01:35] <Keybuk>   newpifp= (flags & pdb_recordavailable) ? &newpig.available : &newpig.installed
[01:38] <Keybuk> inside process_archive, pkg->available is the one you're processing, pkg->installed is the one you're replacing (if any)
[01:38] <Keybuk> I thought you were in another function (the one that calls process_archive)
[02:17] <wasabi> Keybuk, if the field isn't found in the control file, w/f_whatever are not called, right?
[02:20] <Keybuk> right
[02:38] <ironwolf> daniels?
[02:40] <daniels> sup
[02:40] <ironwolf> daniels: when changing s3 to vesa and removing BUSID line, system boots to 640x480 unchangeable resolution. at ~256 color
[02:40] <ironwolf> it's ugly.. what next?
[02:40] <daniels> ugh
[02:41] <daniels> have you got a HorizSync and VertRefresh set of lines in there?  if so, delete them and try that
[02:41] <ironwolf> nope, lines aren't there.
[02:43] <ironwolf> did you ever get lspci -vvv output?
[02:44] <daniels> can't remember, sorry
[02:44] <daniels> just plain lspci should be sufficient (you can paste it here if you like -- just the display line)
[02:44] <sivang> daniels : btw, are we anyway close with Xorg to be able to exploit capable displays for 100hz Vert refreshes?
[02:44] <daniels> sivang: um should work anyway if you just remove the HS/VR lines
[02:44] <daniels> and that's going away soon anyway
[02:46] <daniels> anyway, I have to go crash now
[02:46] <sivang> daniels : I remember fabbione told me that I Need to add a specific rate line..
[02:46] <sivang> daniels : ok I will give it a try :)
[02:46] <sivang> night!
[02:46] <daniels> night
[02:51] <ironwolf> daniels: 0000:01:01.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01)
[02:54] <ironwolf> night daniels.
[03:04] <mxpxpod> daniels: when did you say that fix for the UTF-8 stuff was going in?
[04:47] <spotter> Is there a difference b/w a release w/ a -(num)ubuntu(num) version over a plain -(num) version
[05:36] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:45] <shaya> fabbione: maybe you can answer this Q for me
 Is there a difference b/w a release w/ a -(num)ubuntu(num) version over a plain -(num) version
[05:47] <fabbione> shaya: i don't grok the question...
[05:47] <fabbione> is that for a package?
[05:47] <fabbione> or for the distro?
[05:48] <shaya> fabbione: package
[05:49] <shaya> for example, I'll upgade from a -2ubunutu1 versione package to a -3 version
[05:49] <shaya> then to a -3ubuntu1
[05:49] <fabbione> shaya: the one with *ubuntu* are packages that contains modification
[05:49] <fabbione> done by us
[05:49] <fabbione> the others are plain imported from Debian
[05:49] <shaya> so in the above example, first they imported from Debian, then they redid the modifications?
[05:50] <fabbione> yes
[05:50] <shaya> is that a "safe" upgrade?
[05:50] <fabbione> shaya: it should
[05:50] <shaya> i guess its only an issue w/ hoary
[05:50] <shaya> [UPGRADE]  zip 2.30-6ubuntu1 -> 2.30-8
[05:50] <shaya> for instance
[05:50] <fabbione> if you are running hoary it might be not
[05:50] <fabbione> hoary is unstable
[05:50] <fabbione> and can break
[05:50] <shaya> yes yes
[05:51] <shaya> I ran unstable for 4 years on my work laptop
[05:51] <shaya> just need to get used to how hoary works
[05:51] <shaya> hence the Qs
[05:51] <fabbione> it's the same concept
[05:51] <shaya> personally, I think hoary would be a great name for unstable (though I guess warty would be too)
[05:57] <wasabi> I'm pretty happy not having a real unstable.
[07:32] <mojo> ehem
[07:32] <mojo> can someone tell me how to enable the MPEG4 codec of RealPlayer 10 without recompiling?
[08:02] <fabbione> mojo: -> #ubuntu
[08:02] <fabbione> this is offtopic here
[12:07] <fabbione> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of locales:
[12:07] <fabbione>  locales depends on glibc-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2; however:
[12:07] <fabbione>   Package glibc-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2 is not installed.
[12:07] <fabbione> since when glibc-2.3.2.ds1 is a package on its own?
[12:12] <daniels> it's not
[12:12] <daniels> but ... huh
[12:12] <daniels> that first - needs to be a =
[12:13] <fabbione> ahh
[12:13] <fabbione> never mind
[12:13] <fabbione> i figured
[12:14] <fabbione> it was a leftover of a symlink in my archive
[12:19] <sivang> Morning all
[12:43] <fabbione> daniels: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/xresprobe.diff
[12:43] <fabbione> daniels: do you have any objection to this change?
[12:43] <fabbione> tested and it works
[12:44] <daniels> fabbione: please do the same for ia64
[12:45] <fabbione> daniels: was it tested on ia64?
[12:46] <fabbione> ifeq ($(ARCH),sparc)
[12:46] <fabbione> DDC_OBJS += stub.o
[12:46] <fabbione> endif
[12:46] <fabbione> ifeq ($(ARCH),ia64)
[12:46] <fabbione> DDC_OBJS += stub.o
[12:46] <fabbione> endif
[12:46] <fabbione> ok?
[12:46] <daniels> looks good to me
[12:47] <sivang> daniels : btw, my cousin using your thinkpad-x40-package , got really AMAZED by it, I almost lost him to FC3, but then he broke up and cried for not having his WiFi support and came back :) hehe
[12:47] <fabbione> i can't test ia64 yet
[12:47] <fabbione> sparc works
[12:47] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: that "yet" sounds dangerous.. getting one? :)
[12:47] <daniels> sivang: heh!
[12:47] <fabbione> Mithrandir: no way i am gonna buy ia64 :-)
[12:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: I was more thinking of sabdfl throwing one in your direction to get xorg rocking on one.
[12:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i think daniels will get access to the porting box
[12:49] <fabbione> + we already have the MANIFEST files
[12:49] <fabbione> and xorg builds fine there
[12:49] <fabbione> xresprobe is up
[12:51] <fabbione> i hate when katie is soooo silent
[12:52] <sivang> fabbione : who is katie?
[12:52] <infinity> katie's elmo's girlfriend.
[12:53] <fabbione> sivang: katie is one of elmo's gf
[12:53] <sivang> fabbione : one? how many does he have? :)
[12:53] <fabbione> several..
[12:53] <infinity> A dozen or so.
[12:53] <infinity> At least.
[12:53] <fabbione> i think she is not around at all
[12:53] <daniels> infinity: at least two or three dozen
[12:54] <fabbione> daniels: could you see the message going trouh?
[12:54] <fabbione> trough?
[12:56] <daniels> not yet, but I haven't been able to convince @c.c to love me yet
[12:56] <infinity> http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.26&cvsroot=dak
[12:56] <infinity> Has he added more ladies for Ubuntu's use?
[12:56] <fabbione> infinity: i think so :-)
[12:59] <sivang> daniels : funny, he has all this hardware support, and complains about not having gaim 1.0.3 in warty, How rude! :)
[01:00] <daniels> heh
[01:02] <fabbione> i don't think they are running at all
[01:02] <fabbione> elmo: one of your gf is ill
[01:02] <fabbione> elmo: time to call the doctor
[01:46] <Mitario> hello everyone
[03:46] <Matt|> hi all. Sorry to butt in but I have a hoary question, and it's not gonna be answered in #ubuntu. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution? haven't changed the configuration since updating.
[03:47] <RubenV> since the convert thing basically just copies the XF86 config, it should work
[03:47] <RubenV> i'm not an X whiz though
[03:47] <Matt|> no this was not the convert
[03:47] <Matt|> it was an xorg update
[03:48] <Matt|> was working fine with the last xorg packages before i updated
[03:48] <Matt|> RubenV, thanks for replying btw
[03:48] <RubenV> look in the changelogs of something concerning your mouse changed
[03:48] <RubenV> maybe that'll give a hint
[03:48] <Matt|> i'll try :/
[03:49] <RubenV> Matt|: gotta do something to contribute
[03:49] <Matt|> me?
[03:49] <RubenV> giving some irc help is the best i can do at the moment for the open source community
[03:49] <Matt|> oh i c
[03:50] <Matt|> :)
[03:50] <RubenV> magnificent C skills coming up though ;)
[03:50] <Matt|> *grins*
[03:50] <Matt|> i have no such skills
[03:50] <Matt|> i am soon to be a lawyer ;p
[03:50] <RubenV> nice
[03:50] <Matt|> i was thinking that it would be amazing to work as a lawyer for an open source company
[03:50] <RubenV> defend the gpl
[03:51] <Matt|> yeah
[03:51] <Matt|> any idea where I would find the changelogs?
[03:53] <RubenV> synaptic has a way to do so
[03:53] <RubenV> it's in the menu somewhere
[03:53] <Matt|> oh ok
[03:56] <Matt|> RubenV, nope can't see anything
[03:56] <Matt|> there is a mouse thing, but a different protocol
[03:57] <RubenV> hmmm
[03:57] <RubenV> your X config is still intact?
[03:58] <RubenV> it's a laptop so i guess it's an usb mouse, does it get detected when you plug it in?
[03:59] <Matt|> no it is ps2
[03:59] <Matt|> xconfig seems ok
[03:59] <Matt|> when i plug it in, the light on the touchpad goes out, as it usually does when I plug a mouse in, but then it comes back on again.
[03:59] <Matt|> i've tried with 2 mice
[04:00] <Matt|> i guess i need to try a live disk to make sure it isn't a hardware error :(
[04:07] <RubenV> normally, afaik PS2 is not plug'nplay
[04:07] <RubenV> but i could be wrong
[04:07] <RubenV> hardware ain't really my thing
[04:07] <Matt|> RubenV, mine has always worked fine like that. but I've rebooted too and it still doesn't work
[04:08] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK i'll try and boot knoppix or something
[04:16] <Matt|> RubenV, it doesn't work in knoppix either. Guess there must be something wrong with the mouse port :((((
[04:17] <RubenV> Matt|: can't judge about that, i'm no hardware specialist
[04:17] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) you can't hotplug ps2 mice, no.  ps2 keyboards you usually can, but some people claim to have fried their hardware doing that.
[04:18] <Matt|> hi Mithrandir 
[04:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) hi Matt| 
[05:24] <eruin> hehe, latest synaptic wants to run as root ;)
[05:26] <Matt|> that is normal no?
[05:27] <eruin> ie it asks for the root password, not the users password
[05:27] <Matt|> fine here
[05:28] <eruin> the password dialog says "Please enter root's password"
[05:28] <Matt|> if you're running it from the menu it should be gksudo /usr/bin/synaptic
[05:30] <eruin> oh yeah, forgot to check that. the menu item got moved from the computer menu to the applications menu (system) and now spells gksu instead of gksudo
[05:30] <Matt|> eruin, you must have moved it ;)
[05:31] <Matt|> it's still in Computer here
[05:31] <eruin> nope, I just did a dist-upgrade thru synaptic and it moved all by itself
[05:31] <Matt|> dunno why that could be
[05:31] <eruin> what version you got installer?
[05:31] <eruin> *d
[05:31] <Matt|> hang on
[05:32] <Matt|> 0.55+cvs20041116-1
[05:32] <eruin> <- 0.55+cvs20041119-1
[05:32] <eruin> yeah.
[05:33] <Matt|> oh
[05:33] <Matt|> lemme see
[05:33] <Matt|> i guess they just take the packages from debian or something and forgot to change it
[05:34] <eruin> yeah, probably
[05:36] <Matt|> are you putting in a bug?
[05:37] <eruin> yeah, I thought I'd ask here first though... since it seems like just a slight goofup
[05:37] <Matt|> mm
[05:56] <RubenV> mjg59: u there?
[06:00] <seb128> elmo: libgnomeprintui sync please
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> hi
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> is there a rescue mode on the CD ?
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> Why not ?
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> I have installed ubuntu on a slave disk without lilo and grub
[06:12] <IRCMonkey_> I success to boot with a debian rescue disk
[06:12] <IRCMonkey_> is it possible to add a mode rescue on the CD ?
[06:42] <seb128> elmo: sync for "libgnomeprintui gtksourceview glade-2 gail gtkhtml3.2" please :)
[07:09] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: done
[07:10] <seb128> thanks
[07:58] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mjg59: not putting up source packages for your uberkernels make bayb jeebus cry
[08:00] <Matt|> hey daniels you do get around huh ;p
[08:03] <daniels_> bob2: why don't you just install the binary packages?
[08:03] <bob2_> daniels_: foad, i386-boy
[08:04] <Matt|> hey daniels you do get around huh ;p
[08:04] <Matt|> come to visit our fine country?
[08:05] <daniels_> Matt|: yeah, been here for a week
[08:05] <Matt|> ah k
[08:05] <Matt|> how do ya like it?
[08:06] <Matt|> bob2, you too huh?
[08:06] <daniels> yeah, not too bad
[08:06] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:06] <Matt|> convincing ;)
[08:07] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) heh
[08:07] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) I'm amazed the eye doesn't fall over
[08:07] <Matt|> LOL
[08:07] <daniels> Matt|: tired
[08:08] <Matt|> bob2, the sign of a true geek :)
[08:08] <Matt|> bob2, you've already calculated the engineering of the eye
[08:10] <Matt|> anyway have a nice time
[08:10] <sivang> do we have any known issues with usb cdroms, something about having /dev/sr0 instead of /dev/scd0 ?
[08:11] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, the fact it stands shows I don't know jack about engineering
[08:11] <Matt|> go and see the lloyds building it's cool
[08:11] <Matt|> if you want a tourist tip
[08:11] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) where's that?
[08:11] <Matt|> hang on
[08:12] <Matt|> http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Lloyds_Building.html
[08:12] <Matt|> it's like someone turned it inside out
[08:14] <Matt|> http://www.mykreeve.net/london/the_city/lloyds_building/
[08:15] <Matt|> (if you have time for touristing) :)
[08:16] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, not much, sadly
[08:16] <Matt|> :(
[08:16] <Matt|> watcha doing here?
[08:20] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) some team stuff before the spain meeting
[08:21] <Matt|> bonding huh
[08:21] <Matt|> :)
[08:22] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, and drinking
[08:22] <Matt|> well england is good for that :(
[08:28] <Matt|> have fun guys
[08:33] <spotter> anyone upgrade pmount today and screwed up their dvd mounting?
[08:35] (mjg59/#ubuntu-devel) bob2: Heh. Good point.
[08:45] <lupus_> still no package for transset available?
[08:58] <Kyaneos> hi
[09:09] <zul> cool...i created my first deb
[09:17] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) that reminds me
[09:17] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) if i would like to see X package added to ubuntu
[09:18] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) do i need to have it sponsored in debian?
[09:26] <Keybuk> tseng: that's one way, certainly
[09:27] <Keybuk> we're still working out how direct-to-universe will work
[09:27] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) hm-k
[09:29] <Keybuk> certainly you should follow debian-policy and the maint-guide *anyway*
[09:29] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) yes :)
[09:30] <Keybuk> the only difference between a correct Ubuntu package, and a correct Debian package is where you send it
[09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) was looking for the proceedure to getting a package sponsored
[09:30] <Keybuk> find a sponsor
[09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) my packages are correct
[09:30] <Keybuk> I think there's a website for that these days
[09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) im looking @ mentors.d.o
[09:33] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) oh, jdub added tomboy already
[09:36] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: ping
[10:10] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mjg59: http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/albook-ibookg4-sleep-3.diff, if you want to pimp up the source package with ppc-sleep love
[10:48] <Keybuk> bob2: good flight?
[10:48] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) loooong
[10:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) when are you coming down?
[10:49] <Keybuk> tomorrow morning
[10:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ah
[10:49] <Keybuk> should be at Mark's for 9ish or so
[10:52] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ah, have to get up early then ;-)
[10:54] <Keybuk> yeah, leave here about 6
[11:11] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) anyone got an upload to do by any chance?