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skyrider | sivang: hi | 12:37 |
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sivang | hey skyrider! what's up? | 12:38 |
sivang | doesn anybody have idea if when setting up apt pinning, I need to put in /etc/apt/apt.conf the ditro name in caps ? | 12:39 |
sivang | like Warty , or warty? | 12:39 |
sivang | plovs_work : ? :) | 12:39 |
skyrider | sivang: it doesn't matter IIRC | 12:40 |
sivang | skyrider : ok thanks. | 12:40 |
skyrider | I've published some photos of Ukraine you asked | 12:40 |
skyrider | sivang: I may be wrong ;) | 12:40 |
skyrider | sivang: you can see this photos at http://kid.stu.cn.ua/~skyrider/photos/ukraine/ | 12:40 |
skyrider | sivang: it's just random photos from different places in my country: cities, villages etc. | 12:41 |
sivang | skyrider : nice! | 12:41 |
sivang | thank you alot | 12:42 |
sivang | http://kid.stu.cn.ua/~skyrider/photos/ukraine/img010.jpeg.html << AMAZING VIEW | 12:42 |
skyrider | sivang: you are welcome! | 12:43 |
skyrider | sivang: you wouldn't believe but that photo I've made in the center of my city %-) | 12:43 |
sivang | you know, we should maybe start some page on the wiki, each team and some personal photos of the members, their origin etc, care for the people part in Ubuntu :) | 12:43 |
skyrider | sivang: good idea | 12:45 |
skyrider | sivang: BTW what's about irc logs? | 12:49 |
sivang | hmmm good you reminded me, let's ping mako :) again - I'll email him if can't get answer today. Sorry about that! | 12:49 |
skyrider | :) | 12:50 |
skyrider | BTW mako is awesome guy | 12:50 |
skyrider | I've read his article today | 12:50 |
skyrider | I'm impressed | 12:50 |
sivang | where? | 12:50 |
sivang | He a great guy, yes | 12:51 |
skyrider | http://mako.yukidoke.org/writing/unlearningstory/StoryOfUnlearing.html | 12:51 |
skyrider | I lake that essey very much | 12:51 |
skyrider | s/lake/like/ :) | 12:51 |
skyrider | s/essey/essay/ :) | 12:52 |
skyrider | To much mistakes for one sentence | 12:53 |
sivang | no prob | 01:04 |
sivang | :) | 01:04 |
sivang | skyrider : maybe you should mail him directly? | 01:11 |
sivang | :) | 01:11 |
sivang | I know he wouldn't mind. | 01:11 |
skyrider | sivang: OK. I'll mail him tomorrow. | 01:13 |
sivang | ok, great. sorry for not being that good service to you. | 01:14 |
skyrider | everything great, Sivan. Forget it. | 01:14 |
sivang | k | 01:15 |
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sivang | maybe you just compile too much code..:) | 01:21 |
skyrider | sivang: You absolutely right! :) | 01:23 |
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robertj_ | Hornbeck around? | 02:51 |
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(hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) robertj_: I am now | 05:56 | |
(hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) for a second at least | 05:56 | |
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(hornbeck/#ubuntu-doc) good night | 06:54 | |
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pl0vs | hi guys | 11:55 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: hey :) | 12:09 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: did you read my question yesterday about your work on the faq-guide.xml? | 12:09 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, yes, writing an answer right now, give me 10 minutes, more | 12:10 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, good question btw | 12:10 |
ChrisH | Uhm? 10 Minutes? Just expected a yes/no. :) | 12:11 |
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sivang | Morning all | 12:19 |
ChrisH | sivang: hey, master... | 12:19 |
sivang | ChrisH : Hi, What's happenin? :) | 12:19 |
sivang | I've seen somewhere a call for a meeting, I don't think it would server us too good in this, we can straight up the new format matter over ML, IMHO :) | 12:22 |
pl0vs | ok, mailed my reply | 12:22 |
ChrisH | sivang: the little one is about to go to bed, my anti-headache pills are starting to be effective, I'm working on UTF-8 in irssi and wonder whether (I|we)'ll adopt horny's TOC structure | 12:22 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i'm in favor | 12:23 |
ChrisH | If we have a majority of 3 we can start. ;) | 12:23 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Is your faq-guide.xml anything different than the faq.xml regarding the contents (not the chunked structure)? | 12:23 |
pl0vs | anybody knows a thing about man=pages here? | 12:23 |
ChrisH | jup | 12:24 |
pl0vs | mine is more up-to-date | 12:24 |
sivang | pl0vs : what do you like to know? | 12:24 |
pl0vs | it is faq.xml plus something | 12:24 |
pl0vs | sivang, everything, in five minutes if you can | 12:24 |
pl0vs | how do i edit them? | 12:25 |
pl0vs | where is the source? | 12:25 |
pl0vs | is it docbook?\ | 12:25 |
sivang | pl0vs : let's see, gemme a sec. | 12:25 |
pl0vs | one | 12:25 |
pl0vs | two | 12:25 |
pl0vs | three | 12:25 |
sivang | he hey | 12:25 |
sivang | :) | 12:25 |
sivang | sec = 10 minutes | 12:25 |
sivang | in sivang's time :) | 12:26 |
pl0vs | ah, ok | 12:26 |
pl0vs | :-) | 12:26 |
ChrisH | Could you all commit your changes? I could start to change the TOC structure. | 12:26 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, you're talking about the book? | 12:26 |
ChrisH | <nod> | 12:26 |
ChrisH | But the book in the /faq tree. ;) | 12:26 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, and it will all be docbook? | 12:27 |
ChrisH | Yes. Basically it's your work just changed to what John posted. | 12:27 |
pl0vs | and you want to redo the faq to a book (just asking so i understand) | 12:28 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: From what I understood: we use our current FAQ in John's /faq repository, call it "User's Guide" or "Handbook", keep your <book> structure and just put the current content in the section structure as proposed by John | 12:29 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, ok, fair enough | 12:30 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Lead to a lot of confusion yesterday. :) | 12:30 |
pl0vs | it's not so important how we go about solving stuff, many roads lead to the same place | 12:31 |
pl0vs | we just need a clear path ahead of us | 12:31 |
ChrisH | And I think that this time we are close enough to it. | 12:32 |
sivang | just send me updates of what we are deciding :) | 12:36 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, what do you plan on doing, incorperating wiki-stuff or writing all from scratch? | 12:37 |
ChrisH | For the protocol: "While sivan attended we decided to permanently block cenerentola, ask Mark for free beer and switched the Handbook from DocBook/XML to Microsoft Word 2004." | 12:37 |
pl0vs | three out of four is ok | 12:38 |
pl0vs | cenerentola has been trolling? | 12:38 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I'd like to take the currently articles we already collected in the FAQ and just not use the questions as a title but rather use the structure John proposed on the M. | 12:38 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Has he ever been doing anything else but trolling? ;) | 12:38 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, agree on the toc | 12:39 |
sivang | hahah | 12:39 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, do we have an op for the chNNEL? | 12:39 |
pl0vs | sorry, caps-lock | 12:39 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: sivan and me currently... but you should also get the privs... moment | 12:39 |
pl0vs | no prob, just so somebody trustworthy has it | 12:40 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, will you work on faq-guide or copy it to a new doc? | 12:41 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I'd use your current chunked files. | 12:41 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Then we can distribute the pieces among us and start working without too much interference. | 12:42 |
pl0vs | ok | 12:42 |
pl0vs | agreed | 12:42 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Could you register with nickserv so I can give you op privs? | 12:43 |
pl0vs | give it to plovs, not pl0vs | 12:43 |
sivang | pl0vs : I need to see how to handle the already "FAQ" in the support area, I had trouble trying to remove it / change it. | 12:43 |
pl0vs | or plovs_work | 12:44 |
pl0vs | i am not at my own machine atm | 12:44 |
sivang | It was added to the support section by mean of the CMS, | 12:44 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: is plovs registered? | 12:44 |
pl0vs | yes | 12:44 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: why don't you use the same nick all the time? | 12:44 |
pl0vs | but not atm, i have network problems at home | 12:44 |
sivang | not an HTML upload - so, we would also be needing to check if we can TOC it, or have the TOC already made inside the HTML. | 12:44 |
pl0vs | sivang, if we call this the ubuntu-guide then we can leave the faq? no? | 12:46 |
sivang | I am going to try to erase it all together, or move it somwhere else, or opena new FAQ section :) | 12:47 |
sivang | have we taken anything from there into the new , current DocBook FAQ? | 12:48 |
pl0vs | sivang, everything | 12:48 |
pl0vs | sivang, we just must make sure not to break too many links | 12:50 |
pl0vs | people have been linking to faq-answers | 12:50 |
sivang | ok, no problem. then a new section that is. | 12:51 |
pl0vs | sivang, the curse of backwards-compatibility | 12:52 |
ChrisH | Everybody in favor that I change the structure now? We would get a little chaos if you have uncommited changes. | 12:52 |
sivang | what structure? | 12:52 |
sivang | of what? | 12:52 |
sivang | :)) | 12:52 |
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pl0vs | ChrisH, go ahead | 12:54 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Great. :) | 12:54 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ch/1993/ch931121.gif | 12:54 |
sivang | ChrisH : heheh | 12:54 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, for the parents among us | 12:54 |
sivang | hahaha | 12:54 |
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ChrisH | pl0vs: :) | 12:54 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I like another strip, too... Calvin: "Dad, think of a number and I'll guess." Dad: "got it." Calvin: "Is it 239879?" Dad: "By God, how did you do that?" Calvin: "Hey, you are trying to get rid of me, right?" Dad: "No, you are psychic. Go show your mother." ;) | 12:55 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, yes, calvin and hobbes is probably my fav | 12:56 |
ChrisH | mine, too. Already ordered the last book I don't know for christmas. It's mandatory lecture in bed. :) | 12:56 |
ChrisH | Even if you are not parenting... | 12:56 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, my brother showed them to me for the first time, but now he doesn't think it is so funny anymore (he as a real calvin himself now) | 12:57 |
sivang | I dind't get the last one :( | 12:57 |
ChrisH | sivang: Calvin wants to play number-guessing with his dad. And the dad just wants to get rid of Calvin. :) | 12:57 |
pl0vs | sivang, subscribe to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/calnhobbes/data/atom | 12:57 |
pl0vs | i have it in my bloglines | 12:58 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: is the <!ENTITY... way the only one to include other files? | 01:09 |
pl0vs | afaik yes | 01:10 |
pl0vs | but i just copied it from somewhere else | 01:11 |
ChrisH | Hmmm. I'm thinking about splitting the parts into different directories. But if I wanted to include sections from there we would still need to define all includes in the main file as opposed to the certain parts. | 01:11 |
pl0vs | look in the gnome userguide, they have folders for the pics | 01:12 |
pl0vs | but all defines are int he first file yes | 01:12 |
sivang_away | pl0vs : apt-get source hello, then look inside the /man dir | 01:27 |
sivang | pl0vs : here? | 02:38 |
sivang | I just found out how to edit those manpages. | 02:38 |
pl0vs | nice, how | 02:39 |
ChrisH | sivang: vim? | 02:46 |
sivang | ChrisH : sorry, not "how to edit" | 02:52 |
sivang | where to find them | 02:52 |
ChrisH | ah... :) | 02:52 |
sivang | how to submit these to get included in the read package | 02:52 |
sivang | I will do a quick wiki page in it, under DocDevel or something. | 02:52 |
sivang | hmmm I should also update it to reflect oou new goal change. | 02:53 |
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hornbeck | ChrisH: are you here? | 03:34 |
sivang | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UDPManPageTask | 03:40 |
sivang | everybody please take alook | 03:41 |
hornbeck | sivang: what has been going on, I thought major discussions was going take part on the mailing list? | 03:45 |
sivang | hornbeck : I don't reckon too much :) Have you seen any apparent changes? | 03:45 |
sivang | my wiki page is just some try to explain how to go about the fixing of man pages. | 03:45 |
hornbeck | hold one sec | 03:46 |
hornbeck | I am trying to find it in the log | 03:46 |
hornbeck | ChrisH: If we have a majority of 3 we can start. ;) | 03:46 |
hornbeck | he said that last night about the book | 03:46 |
hornbeck | that is not right, that was never discussed | 03:47 |
hornbeck | everything must go through the ML | 03:47 |
hornbeck | (by the way this is about the book being moved) | 03:47 |
sivang | I don't think he has done too much already, and if he did, it's only affecting his files, I' | 03:48 |
sivang | sure he would discuss it more before he does antyhing widely | 03:48 |
sivang | ChrisH : you here? | 03:48 |
hornbeck | he is not answering | 03:48 |
hornbeck | why do you not think a meeting is a good idea? | 03:49 |
sivang | well, it can be a good idea, but why can't we just decided and direct thigns over ML? | 03:52 |
sivang | no matter how we try to make the meeting accesible by time, | 03:52 |
sivang | the ML has far more broad spread then the irc meetings :) | 03:53 |
hornbeck | right, I understand that | 03:53 |
hornbeck | but mailings do not hold the face to face feel of a meeting | 03:53 |
hornbeck | you cannot get someone's right off reaction on a mailing list | 03:53 |
hornbeck | thats fine | 03:54 |
sivang | well, I really don't mind the meeting, | 03:54 |
hornbeck | I must say though, that I am against what ChrisH is doing right now | 03:54 |
sivang | but I would like to see the oppinions of more people..shame nobody responds to much on the ML | 03:54 |
hornbeck | I will post to the list about it | 03:54 |
sivang | not a problem, you deserve the right to sound your voice - and I don't think he is doing anything wrong, if you disagree just tell how, and make it clear how you want ot make it to go,. | 03:55 |
sivang | what do you not agree with exactly? | 03:55 |
hornbeck | him and I discussed everyone's involvment in the book | 03:55 |
hornbeck | than it appeared he did not know the book existed | 03:56 |
hornbeck | than he decided that the faq would become the book | 03:57 |
hornbeck | that the work myself and a few others have done on the book would be discarded | 03:57 |
hornbeck | and just what him and plovs have done will be added till everyone else starts helping | 03:57 |
hornbeck | all of this without everyone's approval | 03:58 |
hornbeck | this is something that should be decided by the team | 03:58 |
hornbeck | his commint about "If we have a majority of 3 we can start. ;)" | 03:59 |
hornbeck | that is what really makes me mad | 03:59 |
hornbeck | we where in the middle of discussion yesterday when he disappeared, so I figured we would take it back up today | 04:00 |
hornbeck | not him decide to proceed without the team saying yes | 04:00 |
hornbeck | that is basicly taking all the work that has been done offline "faq/book" discarding one and completly butchering the other | 04:00 |
sivang | I think he wants to add the FAQ as a section UNDER the book :) | 04:01 |
sivang | I'm sure this is what he meant. | 04:01 |
sivang | we talked about it also | 04:01 |
sivang | :) | 04:01 |
sivang | THe idea is the adtop the book, | 04:01 |
sivang | add sections to it, | 04:01 |
hornbeck | I am hoping this is all a misunderstanding :-) | 04:02 |
sivang | yes it is, I'm sure it is. | 04:02 |
sivang | <hornbeck> his commint about "If we have a majority of 3 we can start. ;)" | 04:02 |
sivang | ^^^ | 04:02 |
sivang | oops | 04:02 |
sivang | notice the twink sign? | 04:02 |
sivang | it was a joke | 04:02 |
hornbeck | yes | 04:02 |
sivang | :) | 04:02 |
hornbeck | I hope so | 04:02 |
hornbeck | he was pushing very hard yesterday for everything to be put into /faq on the svn server | 04:03 |
hornbeck | there is no reason to when /book is already there | 04:03 |
hornbeck | with the format and everything | 04:03 |
hornbeck | I do not want /faq to be gotten rid of | 04:03 |
hornbeck | does that make since? | 04:04 |
hornbeck | we already have a /book | 04:04 |
hornbeck | sivang: you leave? | 04:22 |
hornbeck | well I am going to work on a car | 04:25 |
hornbeck | later | 04:25 |
ChrisH | Sorry... needed to keep the baby busy. | 04:32 |
ChrisH | I'm about to commit the new structure. Just a few minutes. | 04:32 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, did you read the log? hornbeck does not seem too pleased | 04:40 |
ChrisH | Oops. No, I didn't. | 04:40 |
ChrisH | But I asked him about four times how we are going to do it. And up to the last I didn't get him clearly. I asked Sivan and he couldn't tell me either. | 04:40 |
ChrisH | I can't see anything that did not go through the ML. What I was doing today is exactly what I was proposing. | 04:41 |
ChrisH | Somebody tell me what's wrong. | 04:41 |
ChrisH | It was my suggestion to merge the book and the FAQ right from the beginning. | 04:42 |
sivang | I don't know what's wrong either, didn't he agree to put the faq to be a secion in the book? | 04:43 |
ChrisH | The "If we have a majority" had a smiley added (!) and was just a question if the proposed (and approved) merge could begin now. It was a matter of "when" and not of "if". | 04:43 |
ChrisH | Yes, he did. | 04:43 |
ChrisH | It has been quite a bit of work today to get it done like this. At which point did we not agree to merge it? Do I need a lawyer to translate postings? | 04:44 |
ChrisH | Everybody should know that I'm not the "I ignore others" type. I like 90% consensus and 10% action. | 04:45 |
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sivang | yes I know :) Shame he always goes away when you come in :) | 04:45 |
ChrisH | Just when I thought we agreed on something... | 04:45 |
sivang | He wanted to do a meeting also about that, | 04:46 |
sivang | I didn't see so much how a meeting can help us | 04:46 |
sivang | and I noted to him that you had the ;) next to sentence there. | 04:46 |
ChrisH | Don't mean to offend hornbeck but neither do I. Since we have this fine channel I see no need for an additional meeting. (Other than that the timezone differences are bad.) | 04:47 |
ChrisH | <quote hornbeck> | 04:47 |
ChrisH | I get more and more confused everyday. I think that I should be working | 04:47 |
ChrisH | on the book, but also trying to help maintain the faq, gnome-guide, | 04:47 |
ChrisH | wiki, and in the end I don't get much done because I am stretching | 04:47 |
ChrisH | myself to thin. I think avoiding double-work is a great idea, and in | 04:47 |
ChrisH | the original idea for the book, I was going to mainly take other bits | 04:47 |
ChrisH | and pieces and tie them together from the wiki and debian docs and such | 04:47 |
ChrisH | so that it would incorporate all the docs already there. | 04:47 |
ChrisH | </quote hornbeck> | 04:47 |
ChrisH | I wanted to have the whole doc mess cleaned up and merged. Why is he going to work on a book that is can't handle because he is alone? | 04:49 |
sivang | I've pinged enrico | 04:50 |
sivang | I'll want him to help us straight this out. | 04:50 |
ChrisH | Good idea. | 04:50 |
ChrisH | I don't mind doing it like this or that. But we need a direction. I really don't feel like editing documents that are merged, joined, thrown away and started from scratch. | 04:51 |
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pl0vs | in the end we all want the same, we want this thing to go ahead, and we might be calling the same thing with differnt names | 04:51 |
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ChrisH | pl0vs: The only thing that is unclear to me: do we merge everything into a handbook? Or do we have John's book and a collection of FAQs. | 04:51 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Not *those* pills. ;) | 04:52 |
pl0vs | i do not care either way | 04:52 |
pl0vs | the only thing i do not want is wasted work | 04:52 |
pl0vs | we should try to keep what we have | 04:52 |
pl0vs | moving it around is no problem, nor is naming it diffrently, faq, book, hornbecks book chris's faq, whatever | 04:53 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, are hornbeck's files in docbook? | 04:54 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, can they be merged? | 04:54 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: They are in DocBook and very similar to our work. | 04:54 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, how much work would it be to merge it all in one doc? | 04:55 |
ChrisH | Let's see... | 04:56 |
pl0vs | one hour, two, a week, forever? | 04:56 |
ChrisH | Hardly any work. He has just started on "his book". | 04:57 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, but the toc is good? | 04:57 |
ChrisH | To make it clear what I intended: John's book structure is nice - I like it. I just wanted to put our current little articles into his structure. | 04:58 |
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pl0vs | so if i understand it right, the only thing that ticked of john is either a misunderstanding of what you are doing or he didn't like you moving his bok in the faq directory and calling it faq, right? | 04:59 |
pl0vs | then it might be easy to straighten it out, afaik | 04:59 |
ChrisH | It probably is. | 05:00 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, and you wanted to add all the stuff from the wiki in the book? | 05:01 |
sivang | he just misunderstood. | 05:01 |
ChrisH | Yep. | 05:01 |
sivang | I'm sure of it | 05:01 |
ChrisH | I assume he saw me taking away "his book". But as he said he cannot handle it alone and we don't want to do double-work it seemed only logical to me to join those two documents. | 05:02 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, why don't you make a proof-of-concept? | 05:03 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, then we discuss that, vote, whatever and get back to work | 05:04 |
sivang | ChrisH : I stand behind every word :) | 05:04 |
sivang | we can do a ML voting maybe | 05:05 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, sivang did you read john's lates mail to the list? it is what we are *all* talking about | 05:06 |
pl0vs | newcoolubuntudoc = docbook(book + faq) | 05:06 |
ChrisH | I agree that the faq should not be ditched. I think what we have should | 05:06 |
ChrisH | be moved up and maybe branched in with the book. I do not support just | 05:06 |
ChrisH | trashing the faq by any means. | 05:06 |
sivang | pl0vs : I like your notation :) | 05:07 |
ChrisH | That's what John wrote. And that's exactly what I intended. | 05:07 |
ChrisH | No matter if it's /faq or /book. We'll surely find a location and ditch the other tree. | 05:07 |
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pl0vs | sivang, i am at another computer, what is the svn address of the book? | 05:08 |
sivang | then we do not have a problem at all :) | 05:08 |
sivang | hmm, I wouldn't know..:) | 05:08 |
pl0vs | sivang, pfew, i'm happy about that, i do not like fighting | 05:08 |
sivang | me neither | 05:09 |
hornbeck | are we all here? | 05:13 |
hornbeck | I am back and just read the log | 05:14 |
hornbeck | I apologize to ChrisH, I misunderstood what he was talking about | 05:14 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: What do you think? Everybody picks a part of the book and merges the FAQ sections there? | 05:14 |
hornbeck | I have reread all of the post and everything, I was very confused about the direction and being mad already I read the "if we have three" post as a literal | 05:15 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: What if I finish the work on what I currently have in the /faq repository (includes your works on the book) and commit that? Nothing will get lost. | 05:15 |
hornbeck | ChrisH: sounds good to me | 05:15 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: Thanks. :) | 05:15 |
hornbeck | sorry I jumped the gun :-) | 05:16 |
hornbeck | and it is not "my book" | 05:16 |
hornbeck | it was a book I was working on | 05:16 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: I'll still be off for 30-60 minutes. So the commit will be probably in about two hours. I think we will all be happy. | 05:16 |
hornbeck | ChrisH: I hope so | 05:16 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: Okay... just thought our emotions came in the way of the work. | 05:16 |
hornbeck | well we seem on the same page now | 05:17 |
hornbeck | so everything is going to be in the /faq directory? | 05:17 |
hornbeck | I am off for a few hours, please go ahead and merge and we will work out details later | 05:20 |
=== pl0vs is looking at the apt man-pages to fix bug: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3353 | ||
pl0vs | sivang, awake? | 05:53 |
sivang | yes, hre | 06:01 |
sivang | herhe | 06:01 |
pl0vs | i am looking at the man-pages atm, thanks for the page | 06:03 |
pl0vs | i was hoping we could have some svn repo, but it will just be in the packages | 06:03 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Yes, you would need to change the packages themselves. :( | 06:04 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Perhaps you extract the man page, correct it, create a "diff" and send it through bugzille. | 06:04 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Same old story: nobody but canonical is supposed to upload "main" packages. | 06:04 |
sivang | yes, my understanding says that we just send patches to bugzilla and the packg maintainers would take care of this. | 06:04 |
sivang | yes | 06:04 |
pl0vs | sivang, how is the gnome-guide, you did some work on that right? | 06:05 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, well, i have upload status, afaik, or at least i could get it | 06:05 |
sivang | you looked at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UDPManPageTask ? | 06:06 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, but i prefer diffing to bugzilla for the time being | 06:06 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: for "main"? really? | 06:06 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i did not really look into it as i am not planning to use it atm, but afaik i am a maintainer and have the right to upload packages yes | 06:07 |
sivang | pl0vs : you were approved on the last CC meeting right? | 06:07 |
sivang | That's interesting/ | 06:07 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I'm not sure about that. But I'm not even a maintainer. :) | 06:07 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, but i would prefer starting on something unimportant, maybe apt is not the right package to experiment with... | 06:08 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: If you just change the man page... that should be fine. :) You just needed to rebuild the package and that's it. | 06:08 |
sivang | pl0vs : I think sabdfl noted that he wouldn't want to see people who were supposdly working on docs to commit packages.. | 06:09 |
sivang | before they get enough approval by the TB | 06:09 |
sivang | he noted something about someone doing so being "a social problem" as they currently lack the infrasructure to enforce that. | 06:09 |
pl0vs | sivang, i agree with him, and i am not (yet) planning to do any of the kind | 06:10 |
sivang | well, that just solves my pkging grief maybe :) I had talked to seb128 on the yelp packages, wanted to help on it and eventually this got form as me sneding the patch to bugsilla, | 06:11 |
sivang | he asked jdub and the conclusion was they want to keep main packages at canonical hands in the meanwhile. | 06:11 |
pl0vs | sivang, not everybody has the same opinion, read the cc-meeting sabdfl is the most liberal, jdub (if i remember right), more conservative | 06:12 |
hornbeck | sivang: as far as I understood, once we had our gpg keys signed well enough and understood packageing maintainers could upload fixes | 06:13 |
hornbeck | I was told that once my key is signed by a decent amount I could upload | 06:13 |
pl0vs | Hoodster, that is what i understood as well, but i do understand they do not want newbies to mess up main | 06:13 |
sivang | btw, on hoary you can already use the official package - my patch is already incorporated into it. | 06:13 |
pl0vs | that was supposed to be hornbeck | 06:13 |
hornbeck | pl0vs: correct, they want us to have some experiance first, but in time we will have upload status | 06:14 |
pl0vs | sivang, does the new yelp read apt man-pages in xml? | 06:14 |
hornbeck | is evolution broke in Hoary for anyone else? | 06:15 |
hornbeck | it stopped working today | 06:15 |
sivang | pl0vs : provided that XML is DocBook enough, I guess that it can. | 06:15 |
hornbeck | :-( | 06:15 |
sivang | hornbeck : might be, I got really tired with that, switched to mutt and thunderbird in the meanwhile | 06:15 |
hornbeck | I just moved my mail to the server | 06:16 |
pl0vs | sivang, could you try: apt-get source apt, and in the doc folder try one of the xml files? | 06:16 |
hornbeck | really need to get it fixed though so I can use it on my laptop again | 06:16 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, gmail,gmail! | 06:16 |
hornbeck | pl0vs: I am not a big fan of online mail | 06:16 |
hornbeck | I like evolution | 06:16 |
hornbeck | I am thinking of moving to cvs so I can keep track of it | 06:17 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, it has pop-access as well | 06:17 |
sivang | pl0vs : yes why not, is this where my bug is sitting? (of the sources.list) | 06:17 |
hornbeck | pl0vs: even with pop access if I have no reader than it will not work | 06:17 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, if evo does not work you have web-access | 06:17 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, and if it does you have evo | 06:17 |
hornbeck | I have web-access to my mail anyway | 06:18 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, or you must set up imap on your server and use evo or mutt | 06:18 |
hornbeck | I just prefer evo | 06:18 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, imap? | 06:18 |
hornbeck | imap? | 06:18 |
sivang | imaps rocks | 06:18 |
sivang | mutt also | 06:18 |
hornbeck | what is imap may I ask? | 06:18 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, ah, that is pop as it was meant to be | 06:19 |
hornbeck | I will look into that real quick | 06:19 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, search "pop vs imap" on google | 06:19 |
hornbeck | I am reading a imap page right now | 06:20 |
sivang | pl0vs : we need to convert it, it doesn't like this form of xml files. | 06:20 |
pl0vs | sivang, hmm too bad, converting it would mean moving far away from debain | 06:21 |
sivang | pl0vs : what kind of xml is this? | 06:21 |
pl0vs | sivang, which means a lot of maintenance | 06:21 |
pl0vs | sivang, refentry | 06:22 |
sivang | I am not sure yelp is the right tool to display man pages in the desktop | 06:22 |
pl0vs | sivang, ????? | 06:22 |
sivang | there's GUI man page readers | 06:22 |
pl0vs | sivang, i humbly disagree | 06:22 |
sivang | like xman and it's more civilized desendents. | 06:22 |
pl0vs | sivang, we should have one of-line doc-reader | 06:23 |
pl0vs | sivang, but i remmeber talk about making yelp man-page friendly | 06:23 |
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sivang | I don't recall, I might be mistaken | 06:24 |
sivang | I am checking again, | 06:25 |
sivang | topday os the GNOME love day dedicated to yelp btw :0 | 06:25 |
sivang | :) | 06:25 |
hornbeck | anyone know of a good tutorial about setting up a mail server? | 06:26 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: Yes. ;) But it depends what you want to do. | 06:26 |
sivang | pl0vs : yes there are plans to use it for man pages reading :) | 06:27 |
sivang | you rememebred right. | 06:27 |
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sivang | my memory starts to fail on me I guess. | 06:27 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, be nice to ChrisH he is our local mail deity | 06:28 |
ChrisH | Nah... nobody needs to be nice to me because of that. ;) | 06:29 |
pl0vs | hornbeck, say the magic words: i want postfix+courier | 06:29 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: My irssi is set to auto-exit if it senses "postfix", "courier" and "mysql" in the same line. :) | 06:30 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i removed mysql (on purpose) | 06:30 |
sivang | hahaha | 06:30 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, what do you prefer for imap? | 06:30 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: courier. | 06:31 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I switched even my local mailboxes to courier a few weeks ago. The maildir structure is a little ugly but it works well with mutt. | 06:31 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I had the uw-imapd running for myself and the courier-imap for the users. Not very slick to run two daemons on two interfaces. | 06:31 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: And sivang is testing my mail server regularly so I don't need a network monitoring program. :) | 06:32 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, does he have an account on your server, smart move, free checking of up-times | 06:32 |
hornbeck | ChrisH: I want to set up a mail server for me | 06:32 |
hornbeck | right now my @freeshell.org account gets overloaded | 06:33 |
hornbeck | I recieve about 500 email a day | 06:33 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Yes... I set him up sivan.workaround.org and an email account. Seems to work so far. | 06:33 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: Do you already have a domain and MX entry pointing to your mail server? | 06:33 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, nice to know where to beg if i evr need an account :-) | 06:33 |
hornbeck | no, I don't even know where to start | 06:33 |
hornbeck | I am looking for a tutorial | 06:33 |
hornbeck | or a site to start me in the direction | 06:34 |
hornbeck | looks like I found one | 06:34 |
hornbeck | nevermind | 06:34 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I'm moving a server to a computer room in a few days. Then we'll have plenty of space and bandwidth. If you need a subdomain, email accounts or whatever... just ring. | 06:34 |
hornbeck | I have to run guys | 06:34 |
hornbeck | need to fix a car | 06:34 |
ChrisH | hornbeck: you should start here: http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html | 06:34 |
sivang | pl0vs : http://www.gnome.org/~shaunm/yelpshots/yelp-ls.png | 06:35 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, thanks, i'll keep it in mind | 06:35 |
sivang | but it's only usable from CVS HEAD, | 06:35 |
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ChrisH | sivang: no problem... I like it that you share your intimate emails with me :) | 06:35 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i like your tutorial more actually | 06:36 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Thanks. :) | 06:36 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, and the postfix book from oreilly as well | 06:36 |
ChrisH | sivang: Did you read that I have maillog.workaround.org up now? Everybody can read your mailbox. What a great service. You don't even need to log in. That's very convenient, isn't it? | 06:36 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Haven't ordered it. I still need to read other books. And I wonder if there is a Python book from them. | 06:37 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, it's not that good, if you can write your tutorial you do not need the book | 06:37 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i can show you if you want in spain\ | 06:38 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Yes, I'm curious. | 06:38 |
ChrisH | In fact I learned a lot in #postfix and on the mailing list. | 06:38 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, remind me a day or so before, then i'll bring it | 06:39 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Isn't it too heavy for the plane? It's not that important. | 06:39 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i only bring one small bag, no problem | 06:39 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Just one set of clothes for 4-5 days? Uuuh. :) | 06:40 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i have a really handy suitcase, and small-foldable clothes, i travel often and light | 06:41 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, don't worry i don't smell :-) | 06:41 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i'm married now, those days are over | 06:42 |
pl0vs | sivang, nice the new yelp, is it in hoary or only in cvs? | 06:42 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I thought men begin to smell again once they are married. :) | 06:43 |
sivang | cvs | 06:44 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, about python, you should shop around but i like: O'Reilly.Learning.Python.2nd.Ed.2003 (i have a chm copy, i plan to buy the book) | 06:47 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, o'reilly as well | 06:47 |
ChrisH | Nice. | 06:47 |
ChrisH | I was reading an URL mdz showed me. But I would like to have something like the "Perl Cookbook" in Python. | 06:48 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, python cookbook? | 06:48 |
ChrisH | My first Python scripts will probably just be Perl with another syntax. But the philosophy seems to be different. | 06:48 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: There is a cookbook? Nice. | 06:48 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i have it as pdf if you want to check before you buy? | 06:50 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, it's a pain to read from a screen, but ok to check it out | 06:50 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: With pleasure. | 06:50 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I'm one click away from buying it on amazon. :) | 06:51 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, it's 1.8 mb, should i mail it? | 06:52 |
sivang | ChrisH : what book is this? | 06:52 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: yes, please | 06:52 |
sivang | ahhhh! just saw the message regarding maillog! no!!! | 06:54 |
sivang | :) | 06:54 |
ChrisH | sivang: :) | 06:54 |
sivang | btw, what book are you talking about? can I also get a copy? | 06:54 |
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ChrisH | Python Cookbook | 06:54 |
sivang | ayh! | 06:55 |
sivang | splendid | 06:55 |
ChrisH | I'm sure I can catch up the basics of Python online. But I probably need some recipes on how to do what. | 06:55 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, /usr/share/doc/diveintopython/html/toc/index.html and the python docs are quite good as well | 07:01 |
sivang | pl0vs : how much are you already into python? | 07:02 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Yes, diveintopython is really nice. I started to dream of "everything is an object". :) | 07:02 |
sivang | everything IS an object :) | 07:03 |
ChrisH | sivang: You better not try to flirt with girls with that slogan... | 07:04 |
pl0vs | sivang, not far enough, i'm afraid | 07:07 |
pl0vs | where is whois? | 07:15 |
ChrisH | ? | 07:15 |
pl0vs | the command, i don't have it | 07:15 |
ChrisH | for IPs? | 07:15 |
ChrisH | /whois pl0vs | 07:15 |
pl0vs | no to look up my domain | 07:16 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: www.internic.net for .com | 07:16 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: or my favorite site: www.dnsstuff.com | 07:16 |
pl0vs | dig, ping, whois etc | 07:16 |
pl0vs | the whois command does that | 07:16 |
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=== pl0vs bangs his head on the mouse pad | ||
ChrisH | The QWERTY effect. ;) | 07:18 |
=== ChrisH gets some oven cheese ready <yum> <yum> | ||
=== pl0vs goes off to find food as well | ||
pl0vs | ChrisH, what is the opposite of ctrl-p in vim (search forward) | 07:28 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: n | 07:28 |
ChrisH | = net | 07:28 |
ChrisH | = next | 07:28 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: Do you know the vim command for opening the filename the cursor points at? There is "K" for man pages. I swear I once saw that for files. | 07:29 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: would be really handy for this document | 07:29 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i know it exists... | 07:31 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i mean ctrl-p for completion, p is backwards completion | 07:31 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: ah. ctrl-n of course :) | 07:33 |
ChrisH | next/previous | 07:33 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i had an override in my bashrc, duh | 07:43 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, imap \fn <C-R>=expand("%:t:r")<CR> | 07:44 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, this inserts it | 07:45 |
ChrisH | oops | 07:45 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, you working on the faq-book-guide? | 07:53 |
ChrisH | Yes... I'm in the last chapter of John. | 07:54 |
ChrisH | Was a little more work. But I think it's worth it. | 07:54 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i am really curious, i svn update every 5 minutes | 07:57 |
ChrisH | :) | 07:57 |
ChrisH | I think I'll keep that for myself, ask O'Reilly and get richer than Mark. ;) | 07:57 |
=== pl0vs knew that was the plan all along | ||
=== pl0vs plots revenge | ||
ChrisH | "hornbeck" is just another of my nicks to distract you. :) | 07:58 |
=== pl0vs 's paranoia sets in again, needs another pill | ||
=== ChrisH is about to commit | ||
ChrisH | DONE! | 08:11 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, great! | 08:12 |
sivang | so it the faq and book merged already? | 08:12 |
sivang | :) | 08:12 |
ChrisH | yes... one moment though... some files are not yet added | 08:13 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, what does this do? i don't get it: <para>Uses HTTP to access the archive at archive.ubuntu.com, and uses only | 08:13 |
pl0vs | the hamm/main area.</para> | 08:13 |
pl0vs | <literallayout>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive hamm main</literallayout> | 08:13 |
pl0vs | uses onl the hamm/main area. ???? | 08:13 |
ChrisH | NOW! | 08:14 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, it even has icon-like pictures! | 08:15 |
=== pl0vs dances in front of his computer, just like golum | ||
ChrisH | Please read the README. I invested some time cleaning the titles and reference IDs. | 08:16 |
ChrisH | It would be nice if we have a consistent formatting and syntax. | 08:17 |
ChrisH | I pray this is okay for everyone. | 08:17 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i do not see many faq-issues | 08:18 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, will they be merged or will they stay seperate? | 08:19 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: They are still in the parts/old directory. | 08:19 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: My idea would be that everyone picks a chapter and grabs the FAQs that fit into his sections from the old/ directory. | 08:20 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I know this doesn't look like much work - but it was. If I made you wait until I distributed and rewrote the old FAQ it had taken another day. | 08:20 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I hope everybody can cut out the pieces from there. | 08:20 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, ok, i had a really long and good sounding question but it is no longer necessary to ask... | 08:20 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i know, i redid the faq | 08:21 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: did you send the PDF to gmail? I'm curious. :) | 08:21 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, yesterday already | 08:21 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: tnx | 08:21 |
ChrisH | pl0vs: I have used xincludes instead of entities now for including files. That way it's a little more clearly laid out and it works recursively. | 08:22 |
ChrisH | Okay... thanks for the discussion. I hope everyone feels okay about this one. So let's pick our pieces and get ready to rumble. ;) | 08:24 |
ChrisH | I'll take the rest of the day off. But just tell me if we need to change anything or if someone objects. | 08:24 |
pl0vs | ChrisH, i'll send a write-up to the ML | 08:27 |
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ChrisH | pl0vs: tnx | 08:38 |
sivang | pl0vs : I think I'll start with the 3 subsections under the 'about' | 08:45 |
sivang | pl0vs : boy it looks great1 | 08:45 |
sivang | ChrisH : Well Done! | 08:46 |
sivang | How did you make it look in yelp that good? | 08:46 |
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sid77 | hi | 08:47 |
ChrisH | But let's hear what hornbeck says. ;) | 08:58 |
sivang | ChrisH : it's superb | 08:58 |
sivang | hi sid77 | 08:59 |
ChrisH | sivang: Thanks. But it's still only the TOC and the article about installing Ubuntu from John. | 08:59 |
ChrisH | sivang: Now comes the part for everybody where we can work on. | 08:59 |
sivang | ChrisH : I am taking the 'About' part, where do you think the background guide can be incorporated, if at all? | 09:00 |
sid77 | hi sivang | 09:00 |
ChrisH | sivang: Hi, Sid. | 09:00 |
sid77 | lol | 09:00 |
sid77 | tab frenzy? | 09:00 |
ChrisH | sivang: What kind of background exactly? The meaning of Gnu, Ubuntu and Linux should be in the first chapter IMHO. | 09:00 |
ChrisH | sivang: Could you (as hour honorable chief master organiser) manage the information who works on what? We could as well put that into the document itself. | 09:01 |
ChrisH | sivang: I offer myself for sysconfig or software. | 09:01 |
sivang | ChrisH : yes! thy humble servant ! :)) MOUHHAHAHA | 09:02 |
sivang | Let's start with a MOIN MOIN table on the wiki | 09:02 |
sivang | :) | 09:02 |
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sivang | I got a nasty rash last time I tried to use ReST | 09:04 |
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sid77 | bye all | 09:08 |
ChrisH | sivang: okay... but then we have it twice in the docs again... | 09:25 |
sivang | ChrisH : huh? | 09:25 |
ChrisH | in the wiki and in the docbook (the toc) | 09:25 |
ChrisH | but that is probably not our biggest problem | 09:26 |
sivang | you mean where to put the table with where everybody say what he is working on? | 09:26 |
plovs | we should remove redundant stuff from the wiki imo | 09:26 |
ChrisH | can't we just put our names in the chapters we are working on? | 09:27 |
plovs | ChrisH, why don't we all just pick a chapter? | 09:27 |
plovs | on the ML | 09:27 |
plovs | and when it's finished, say so and it's open for all | 09:28 |
ChrisH | plovs: k | 09:28 |
ChrisH | just please not yet another wiki page :) | 09:28 |
plovs | ?? should reduce the number of wiki pages | 09:29 |
plovs | we | 09:29 |
plovs | dump half the wiki in the book | 09:30 |
plovs | and use wiki for updates | 09:30 |
plovs | imho | 09:30 |
ChrisH | yes please | 09:30 |
ChrisH | The "documentation team" aka the "anti-wiki gang" :) | 09:30 |
plovs | since we wrote most of it in the first place, we can undo it as well | 09:31 |
plovs | besides the book should be published in the support section asap | 09:31 |
plovs | just send your prefeered chapter to the ML | 09:32 |
plovs | sivang, you ok with this? | 09:32 |
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ChrisH | plovs: asap will probably still be a 2-4 weeks from now | 09:33 |
plovs | ChrisH, that's the ap part of asap, i suppose | 09:33 |
plovs | but it should be before barcelona if possible | 09:33 |
plovs | even if beta | 09:33 |
sivang | Yes, as the chairman I agree :) | 09:33 |
sivang | But, it would cost ya bucks people | 09:34 |
sivang | :) | 09:34 |
ChrisH | sivang: Your honor. You are discharged of your duties for telling rubbish. You will further serve as a proofreader of Gentoo. :) | 09:34 |
plovs | ChrisH, we would need some extra wiki-pages, actually, errata for the guide | 09:38 |
plovs | one page for every part maybe | 09:38 |
sivang | hahaha | 09:38 |
ChrisH | containing what exactly? | 09:38 |
plovs | ChrisH, errata, things that are not there typos etc | 09:39 |
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sivang | but please don't make me proofread for Gentoo | 09:40 |
sivang | please | 09:40 |
sivang | anywa, so we leave off the wiki page for the task assignment? | 09:40 |
plovs | mandrake? bug reports? | 09:40 |
plovs | sivang, i vote for ML | 09:40 |
plovs | for now | 09:41 |
plovs | we're only four/five guys anyway | 09:41 |
sivang | ok then | 09:41 |
sivang | I don't mind, it supports my wiki lazzyness | 09:42 |
sivang | :) | 09:42 |
plovs | i call it a day, i have a busy day tomorrow, see ya all! | 09:42 |
sivang | bye plovs! | 09:42 |
ChrisH | anyone posting on the ML? | 09:44 |
sivang | I did | 09:44 |
sivang | I said I will do the 'About' | 09:44 |
ChrisH | i will do the sysconfig. | 09:48 |
ChrisH | Let's see what John is on for. | 09:48 |
plovs | ChrisH, what's your sig? | 09:48 |
sivang | post the ML | 09:48 |
plovs | ChrisH, ".signature" [Modified] 3 lines --100%-- 3,41 All | 09:49 |
ChrisH | that *is* my sig :) | 09:50 |
ChrisH | hmm... once the doc is done we should think about a translation | 09:54 |
sivang | we have already many people eager for teanslation, | 09:56 |
sivang | littlegreenman would be the guy for the protugeese | 09:56 |
sivang | skyrider for russian | 09:56 |
sivang | what does that signature mean? | 09:58 |
ChrisH | Never used "vim" before? :) | 09:59 |
sivang | I use it just to edit conffiles, | 09:59 |
sivang | other than that, I'm still VIM dummey | 10:00 |
ChrisH | just look at the bottom line when you have vim open | 10:00 |
sivang | nothing | 10:05 |
ChrisH | try Ctrl-G | 10:06 |
sivang | nothing special | 10:10 |
ChrisH | okay... it's supposed to be an editor windows of vim editing a ".signature" file. so it's a recursive vim-insider gag. :) | 10:10 |
sivang | and I absolutely understood this phrase :) | 10:11 |
sivang | or not, | 10:11 |
sivang | sivang.understand(chrish) or die( | 10:11 |
sivang | "error at line1") | 10:11 |
ChrisH | are you snaking me? | 10:12 |
sivang | snaking? | 10:12 |
sivang | no | 10:12 |
sivang | what does that mean? | 10:12 |
ChrisH | python? | 10:13 |
sivang | ah it was mixing python and perl ;) | 10:14 |
sivang | got you on vim | 10:14 |
sivang | I now see the line at the bottom | 10:14 |
sivang | "[No File] " [Modified] 8 lines --100%-- 8,0-1 All | 10:14 |
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falco | hi | 11:00 |
falco | is the documentation team | 11:01 |
falco | responsable for documentation translation | 11:01 |
falco | ? | 11:01 |
sivang | yes falco, how are you? | 11:01 |
falco | I'm fine | 11:03 |
sivang | Are you interested in translating stuff? | 11:04 |
falco | I would like to give a hand in the Portuguese translation | 11:04 |
sivang | ah great! | 11:04 |
falco | and if I have time I might do more than that | 11:05 |
sivang | There is already someone who also likes to contribute on that front, | 11:05 |
sivang | littlegreenman | 11:05 |
sivang | he's also portuguese | 11:05 |
sivang | :) | 11:05 |
falco | yes | 11:05 |
falco | great | 11:05 |
ChrisH | sivang: do we have a translation organisation page on the wiki? | 11:05 |
sivang | ChrisH : we have the translation communties page on the mai site, | 11:06 |
falco | I'll speak to him | 11:07 |
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sivang | falco : I would advice to also post to ML, after subscribing to it, | 11:19 |
sivang | introducting yourself etc, | 11:20 |
sivang | expressing your intention to contribute in translation to portuguese | 11:20 |
sivang | :) | 11:20 |
falco | ok | 11:20 |
falco | I'll in a few minutes | 11:20 |
sivang | cc:lulu@canonical.com for that matter | 11:20 |
falco | ok | 11:20 |
falco | sivang: is that your e-mail? | 11:42 |
sivang | no, this is the email for the contact person in canonical that takes care of the interactio between the docteam and the company :) | 11:46 |
sivang | but you need not email them persoannly, | 11:46 |
sivang | just post the list. | 11:46 |
falco | ok | 11:51 |
falco | just to know what should I put in evolution contacts | 11:51 |
sivang | you should subscribe first | 11:52 |
sivang | and come here tommorow also, maybe early to get some of the doc team people to know you | 11:54 |
littlegreenman | been away sivang | 11:59 |
sivang | littlegreenman : falco is here is also willing to join the translation front, would you like to tell him what you already know - also, where is that page with langs communites? | 11:59 |
sivang | :) | 11:59 |
littlegreenman | sivang: yeah, no prob | 12:00 |
sivang | thanks | 12:00 |
littlegreenman | sivang: i have one tiny problem... is that i don't know where the work of the new ubuntu help file | 12:00 |
littlegreenman | is located or better | 12:00 |
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