topylibinarydigit: $HOME/.fonts12:00
ogra__daniel: what about foasdem ?12:00
binarydigittopyli: is there a global directory so all users can use it?12:00
logicthats where i put mine anyhows12:00
__danielogra: hmmm, where's the exact date?12:01
topyliyes, /usr/share/fonts/truetype probably12:01
binarydigitah nice thaks12:01
ermotopyli, maybe he's got a friendly, white, female sysop with natural nipples on watch to take care of him.12:01
ogra__daniel: just got the invitation: http://www.fosdem.org/2005/index/news12:01
brionhrm... Anybody gettings hangs at "Starting hotplug subsystem..." with kernel?12:02
topyliermo: rapha? well, he sure did rush to bed quite unexpectedly12:02
ogra__daniel: 26/27 Feb12:02
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) brion: It fails to load the modules for me.12:02
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(Amaranth/#ubuntu) But it keeps booting.12:02
natexmaybe he lives in a place where it's late.12:02
ograAmaranth: pciehp ?12:02
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) yep12:02
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(Amaranth/#ubuntu) and shpchp12:03
ermonatex, .... naaah. That's a trivial explanation. Mine was better ;)12:03
brionit also kills my usb keyboard, i have to hit ctrl-alt-del with a ps/2 kbd12:03
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) I've just ignored it, doesn't seem to break anything and compiling a new kernel fixed it.12:03
natexermo: I agree12:03
__danielogra: hmmmmm, looks bad from what i see... my diploma thesis will be in the last phase :-/12:03
ograAmaranth: dont worry, its just a very weird way to tell you you got no such HW12:03
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) What is hotplug for?12:03
ogra__daniel: damned12:03
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) hotswapping hardware?12:03
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wm_eddieI discovered what erased my bookmarks!!!!12:04
natexAmaranth: soft-hardware like usb and stuff12:04
ograAmaranth: a lot of modules in ubuntu12:04
(mjr/#ubuntu) Amaranth, it loads drivers12:04
wm_eddieBut I'm not sure how to go around fixing it....12:04
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) Ok....12:04
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) I have USB.12:04
__danielogra: but i'll make a stop when i'm around your area :-)12:04
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(Amaranth/#ubuntu) My keyboard and mouse are USB.12:04
(mjr/#ubuntu) despite the name, it detects also many non-hotpluggable pieces of hardware and loads the appropriate drivers12:04
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) They work fine and I can unplug them and plug them back in with no problems.12:04
ogra__daniel: tell me before.....12:04
agwibowodoes anyone know how to suspend computer in ubuntu?12:05
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brionbooting in 'recovery mode' it seems ok12:05
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) The modules that fail must be very specific parts of the hotplug system, not the whole thing.12:05
ograAmaranth: its in fact a lot more then usb12:05
ermo'suspend computer in ubuntu'12:05
ermogood one12:05
natexagwibowo: rope and tree ;12:05
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agwibowowhat did you mean?12:05
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agwiboworope and tree ?12:05
ograAmaranth: they jsut dont find pci hotplug cards in your system12:05
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) natex: That's old-school, get an anti-grav device. ;)12:05
__danielogra: fred will know :-)12:05
ermoagwibowo, nevermind, we're being silly.12:05
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) yeah, i don't have a server. :P12:06
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) I don't know of any desktop system with hotswappable PCI cards.12:06
agwibowoi can do it in suse.. but not in ubuntu..12:06
ogra__daniel: give me time to clean up a bit..... hehe12:06
natexagwibowo: its in the kernel docs12:06
briontelinit 5 and it starts up X. :P12:06
__danielogra: but you could help me with my diploma thesis and could go to fosdem :-)12:06
natexagwibowo: I haven't tried it12:07
(mjr/#ubuntu) agwibowo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=262012:07
agwibowoii see..12:07
ogra__daniel: lets see.... need a gui ? ;)12:07
natexagwibowo: this feature is kernel level12:07
agwibowoi'll have a read through it12:08
__danielogra: we'd need to figure out how to do perl- or python-wrappers for a c-library ;-)12:08
natexagwibowo: most likely SuSE has the appropriate modules loaded and a GUI front end.12:08
ograagwibowo: someone wrote a wiki howto...havent tried it though: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto12:08
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agwibowoah don't worry.. that sounds scarry12:09
ogra__daniel: python is easy.... ross burton has made a beutiful writing about it....i will look it up anyway during my python lessons....12:09
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FTTPi need info on linux distros12:10
__danielogra: there are some guys who'd kill me straightaway if i didnt use gtkmm :-)12:10
FTTPany isos working for hoary yet?12:10
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FTTPi tried a developmental snapshot of iso before, didnt work :p12:10
agwibowoogra: thx! this document seems good!!12:12
ograagwibowo: fine :)12:12
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: I'm currently taking a class on C++ and C at the same time12:12
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agwibowohow do i know which power mode my laptop supply, acpi or apm ?12:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: well two different classes12:12
__danielGammaRay: after half a year of c++, i really like it :-)12:13
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ermoagwibowo, try looking at the output of 'dmesg'12:13
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: the first half year of C++ for me was no different from C12:14
FTTPubuntu is the new kid on the block12:14
__danielogra: it was love a fifth sight, wasnt it? :-)12:14
agwibowowell.. dmesg outputs some lines starting with ACPI12:14
__danielGammaRay: you just need to take a look at C and C++ code :-)12:14
ogra__daniel: py ? yes, hehe12:14
agwibowodoes it mean my laptop supports acpi ?12:14
ermoagwibowo, unless it says 'disabled' somewhere, then yes.12:14
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: the vast majority of code I care to look at is in C12:15
__danielGammaRay: hmm12:15
ograagwibowo: look in /proc for acpi12:15
__danielGammaRay: most C code still gives me the creeps12:15
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: hmm why is that?12:16
agwibowoogra: yes, i can find acpi directory there12:16
ermoGammaRay, ... because C is only really well suited to a very small subset of what it is currently used for?12:16
ermoGammaRay, just saying. Don't want to start a troll.12:17
__danielGammaRay: all those scary structs over the place and it really takes time to see any separation and structure in the whole12:17
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) gnome xfce4 and 99% of the apps I use (and have access to the source code) are in C.12:17
ograagwibowo: is something in there ? if yes then your lappie supports it12:17
__danielGammaRay: they shouldnt be in C :-)12:17
__danielGammaRay: there's no need any more :-)12:17
ermoGammaRay, pause for a moment and consider the fact that mr gnome himself would rather use C#12:17
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: feel free to do a massave rewrite, but I'm afraid you would be maintaining it all yourself12:18
__danielGammaRay: of course12:18
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__danielGammaRay: i never intended to do that :-)12:18
ogra__daniel: is berlios off ? cant reach protosquared.....12:18
ermoGammaRay, also, if I'm not mistaken, evolution will also be ported to C#/Mono12:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ermo: I'm the only mr gnome I care about :-P12:18
ermoGammaRay, I kinda got that feeling...12:19
ogra__daniel: ah, got it12:19
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__danielogra: what are you about to do?`:-)12:20
FTTPhow do i download latest snapshot for hoary?12:20
FTTPi fergot12:20
__danielogra: recode it in 30 lines of perl code? ;-)12:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ermo: yea it's called individuality12:20
FTTPim gonna try the newest one12:20
ogra__daniel: looking at your fingers....wvstreams is new eh ?12:20
ermoGammaRay, sure.12:20
__danielogra: unfortunately :-/12:21
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__danielogra: slaw didnt package it yet, although it should be really easy12:21
__danielogra: it's just debi / debuild from what i see12:21
ogra__daniel: shold be possible very quickly with deb-make .....12:22
FTTPogra u know the link for hoary release?12:22
ograFTTP: this one ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog12:23
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jomohkeIf I add another user, what decides if they have sudo/root power or not, is it whether they are in a certain group?12:23
FTTPogra no the one which had a link to download it12:24
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ogra__daniel: easy... you run deb-make in the sorece tree, edit debian/config and changelog12:24
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__danielogra: seems to be the same as debuild / debi :-)12:25
ogra__daniel: fakeroot debian/rules binary builds a deb for you then12:25
meduchabuenas tardes12:25
meduchathere are someone who want to helpme12:26
agwibowothis is so scarry12:26
agwibowoi won't do it12:26
ogrameducha: only 272 ppl in this room....12:26
agwibowosuspend to disk12:26
ogrameducha: ask :)12:27
FTTPogra wasnt there a link to download hoary iso?12:27
FTTPit just gives details on how to upgrade, not for the iso's themselves12:27
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ograjomohke: its decided in /etc/sudoers12:27
meduchai dont know, which file .iso download from the mirror12:28
ograFTTP: i dont have that link.....12:28
ogrameducha: have you got a pc ? or a mcaintosh ?12:28
skeffAre there any good Direct Connect clients out there for Gnome?12:28
ogrameducha: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso12:29
meduchaone cuestion12:29
meduchaone more cuestion12:29
__danielskeff: i just know dcgui *shrug*12:30
meduchathe commands are the same in this distribution??12:30
ogrameducha: the same compared to what ?12:30
meduchawith redhat12:31
ogrameducha: its more like debian12:31
ogrameducha: do you have special commands in mind ?12:32
Talliesinmeducha, there's also a bittorrent that'll download faster than the straigh web link if you have a bittorrent client.12:32
meduchayeah is that i hear about this distribtion12:32
tyranois ubuntu newbie and laptop friendly :|12:32
Talliesin(And put less bandwidth strain on the ubuntu webserver)12:32
ogratyrano: absolutely12:32
meduchafor example12:32
tyranoi was trying gentoo, but the kernel compilation kept locking up :|12:33
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tyranoso the acpi works great in ubuntu?12:33
Talliesintyrano, I hope so (see I can tell meducha possibly useful things about the bittorrent, but I'm a complete noob)12:33
ogratyrano: you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu12:33
meduchain redhat for set  the network i type: setup12:33
JuerdIs there an nntp client in Ubuntu's default installation?12:33
logictyrano: ubuntu much less stressfull :)12:33
tyranohmm o_O12:33
Juerd(My dad uses Ubuntu since today, and expects support from me, but I can't run Ubuntu on my system yet)12:33
__danielJuerd: you could use pan12:33
ogrameducha: in ubuntu you open the network manager :)12:34
Juerd__daniel: Is it user friendly and installed by default?12:34
tyranodoes it have an auto update type command like emerge?12:34
tyranocuz emerge seemed pretty cool12:34
meduchain GUI?12:34
Juerdtyrano: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in the Root Terminal12:34
ogrameducha: yep12:34
__danielJuerd: hmmm, not sure... don't think it's installed by default12:34
Juerddaniels: That's unfortunate. Thanks.12:34
meduchaoooooooooo =)12:34
tyranoJuerd: and that would update all packages if i wanted?12:34
osiris_22ok my friend12:34
danielsJuerd: any time?12:35
ogrameducha: you can do nearly everything in gui in ubuntu12:35
osiris_22cant seem to catch aconnection12:35
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agwibowomy keyboard mapping is doesn't work in console....12:35
osiris_22on linux when he uses his router12:35
Juerdtyrano: Intelligently, yes. It doesn't upgrade if that causes conflicts.12:35
agwibowowhat should i do?12:35
osiris_22and hes tried fucken with his routers internal settings12:35
agwibowoit maps correctly in gnome-terminal, but not in console12:35
osiris_22and nothens working12:35
osiris_22any ideas anyone???12:35
tyranooh and does it have the intel wireless card drivers on the install cd, so i can surf immediately :|12:35
Juerdagwibowo: In console, type "install-keymap foo", where foo is your keymap.12:35
agwibowohow do i know which one my keymap is??12:36
ogratyrano: which ones ?12:36
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Juerdagwibowo: grep kbLayout /etc/X11/XF86Config-412:36
agwibowook.. thx12:36
tyranocuz no linux distro i have tried has detected it automagically :O12:36
Juerdagwibowo: It's usually the two-letter code for your language.12:37
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ogratyrano: looks good here....the drivers are there.... i have no such hw, but i guess it should work12:37
jirodriguthanks ogra12:37
tyranosweet i think im sold ;O12:37
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tyranoi have an asus laptop with wierd hardware and features, so i will have to tweak it im sure12:38
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agwibowoJuerd: thx, it works now!12:38
ogratyrano: probably its in here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops12:39
Juerdagwibowo: yw12:39
__danieli think i'm off to bed guys12:39
Juerdtyrano: Sold? It's free! :)12:40
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vothcan someone help me. it seems i've lost my wastebasket icon in the 'start' bar, is there some way to get it back ?12:41
tyranosold me on the idea? ;D12:41
(mjr/#ubuntu) voth, right-click on panel and add applet12:41
__danielvoth: rightclick on the panel -> add to panel12:41
__daniel*wave in the channel*12:41
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meduchasbut there are terminals right?12:43
mojoGood morning everyone! ^-^12:43
Chibimorning. D:12:44
tyranoubuntu was based on debian right? so do you think bastille-linux would work on it?12:44
ChibiIn theory, any debian package will work12:44
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) in theory, any rpm should work on any rpm distro12:45
Chibirpm and deb are much diffrent.12:45
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) not really12:45
tyranoits not really a package i think12:45
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) the details.. but they are very similar overall12:45
tyranooh yah it is, my bad12:45
ChibiRPM's are diffrent across diffrent distrobutions, debs use the exact same format across all distros, and the exact same dependancy checking.12:46
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: rpms all use the same format12:46
ChibiThe only 'diffrent' deb would be one that doesn't place dependancies in it's control file. :/12:47
ChibiAnd I've never seen anyone do that, because it's silly. D:12:47
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I've seen nothing special about debs that would prevent any of the problems that can occur on an rpm box12:47
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ChibiUnless you force it, a package won't install unless your dependancies are matching, you have no conflicting programs, and your versions aren't mismatched?12:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) up till now, there have been only a few deb based distros.. that is the only reason people don't talk about deb hell12:48
ChibiThere are a LOT of deb distros. :/12:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) now12:49
ChibiThere were a year ago, too.12:49
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ChibiHow long do you consider 'now'?12:49
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) a year ago is just a year ago12:49
ChibiI consider now two seconds ago, to two seconds from now.12:49
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) 4 years12:49
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Chibi4 years is a long time. -_-12:50
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agwibowois anyone familiar with aumix? what's the meaning of IGain, Line, Mix, Pcm, Synth ?12:50
ChibiThey're volume levels.12:51
agwibowo.... ok... but what's the difference between them?12:51
ChibiIGain is a software amp. Line is the auxilery or microphone of your soundcard12:51
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: rpms have problems because of differently named depends and different software on different distros.. ~you can't say that can't easily apply to debs12:51
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_scpwhere can I get the .configs from the Ubuntu Kernel source ?12:52
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_scpy'know, the .configs they used to build the package12:52
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_scpI grabbed the source, but it doesn't have the configs12:52
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) especially w/ all the "new" deb based distros.. we are bound to have the exact same problems rpm distros have12:52
steiniis Video4Linux enabled in Ubuntu??12:53
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is a reason ubuntu only supports certain repositories12:53
steiniI just plugged in my USB-Radio Adapter (which works perfect with Linux) but I dont get a /dev/radio /dev/v4l/radio12:54
_scpnevermind, I think I found it... it's in the diff12:54
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agwibowoi have a little problem with aumix...12:58
agwibowoit doesn't restore the settings i saved everytime i boot up my computer12:58
agwibowoso i have to manually increase the volume everytime i boot up my computer12:59
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agwibowois there any workaround for this?12:59
ograagwibowo: use gnomes mixer12:59
malte`or alsamixer12:59
agwibowowell... gnome mixer does not work12:59
agwibowoso does alsamixer01:00
ograagwibowo: then somethings wrong...01:00
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sleon|lapi need help by installing linuxant driver on ubuntu01:00
sleon|laphow to do it?01:00
sleon|laplinux_headers are installed01:00
agwibowohow to run gnome-mixer? is it the gnome-volume thingy?01:01
ograsleon|lap: wouldnt the slmodem driver do ?01:01
sleon|lapogra, hsf modem01:01
ograagwibowo: yep, right click it....01:01
sleon|lapogra, is it already in ubuntu?01:01
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agwibowoit says "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"01:01
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ograsleon|lap: unfortunately not yet, but slmodem is prepared....01:02
agwibowoi think the problem is that my sound card is bound to /dev/mixer101:02
agwibowoso using aumix, i have to manually set it to configure /dev/mixer101:02
agwibowomaybe gnome-volume look in /dev/mixer ?01:02
ograsleon|lap: in the middle: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:02
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sleon|lapcan someone say me how to install linuxant driver on ubuntu?01:03
sleon|lapthats all i want01:03
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ograsleon|lap: install build-essential it brings in gcc and friends....01:03
ograsleon|lap: your headers are installed ?01:04
sleon|lapogra, yes01:04
sleon|lapogra, they where installed with ubuntu01:04
FTTPim burning current hoary development release01:05
ograsleon|lap: by derfault they dont01:05
sleon|lapogra, ok done that now01:05
sleon|lapogra, ok done that now01:05
agwibowoanyone can help me?01:05
sleon|lapogra, i have /usr/src/linux-headers-
ograsleon|lap: ok, looks good....01:06
sleon|lapnow i started hsfconfig01:06
sleon|lapand it is running :)))01:06
sleon|lapogra, thx for the tip01:06
sleon|lapogra, is this right?01:06
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BeanDipmplayer is segfaulting on me01:06
sleon|lapogra, NICE it worked!!! you are my best friend now!01:06
BeanDipanyone else having mplayer segfaults under hoary?01:07
ograagwibowo: try lsmod|grep mixer01:07
ograagwibowo: sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss01:08
FTTPgonna try todays developmental hoary iso01:08
FTTPdoes ubuntu track with debian ?01:08
FTTPwhere the releases are essentially the same?01:08
ograagwibowo: your mixer should work01:09
agwibowostill says that no mixer is found01:09
ograagwibowo: what have you done with your system ?01:09
sleon|lapwhich program under ubuntu is used to dial internet?01:09
ograagwibowo: try again lsmod|grep mixer01:09
sleon|lapi mean some dialer for users01:09
FTTPuhmm gnome ppp?01:10
agwibowoyes, it's there the oss-sound blabla01:10
FTTPi dont dial so i dont have a clue01:10
FTTPi want my FIBER :)01:10
agwibowomy sound works,  but i have to modprobe opl3sa201:10
sleon|lapthere is no kppp01:10
agwibowobut that is not recognised my gnome01:10
FTTPoff to reboot and try iso01:11
sleon|lapwhat should i use instead?01:11
agwibowoit is recognised by runnign aumix -I -d /dev/mixer101:11
agwibowonot by gnome-volume-control01:11
ograsleon|lap: the network tool probably.....01:11
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agwibowoor maybe i have to restart gnome? to restart the gnome-volume manager?01:11
sleon|lapogra, where is it?01:11
ograsleon|lap: havent used dialup for a long time.....01:11
ograsleon|lap: its in the computer menu01:12
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ograsleon|lap: system tools01:12
sleon|lapogra, systen configuration?01:12
ograsleon|lap: genau :)01:12
(Amaranth/#ubuntu) anyone know where the script that updates /etc/resolv.conf is located?01:13
agwibowoogra: what should i do now? should i try to restart gnome?01:13
ograagwibowo: nope, wait....01:13
sleon|lapbye bye01:14
BeanDipanyone want to help me figure out what the hell is causing mplayer to segfault on an updated hoary box?  I have the strace output posted in #flood01:14
ograagwibowo: opl3sa2 is a oss module....01:14
ograagwibowo: oss is deprecated01:14
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ograagwibowo: and not used in ubuntu....01:14
agwibowowhat should i do?01:14
|doug|I'm having some trouble getting my ubuntu box to print to a laserjet printer on my winxp box, anyone have any ideas?  I can install the printer and it says it prints, but no cigar01:15
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ograagwibowo: try modprobing the snd-opl3sa2 module instead...but only if the other one isnt loaded...if in doubt, reboot before....01:15
jmhodgeshey.. i need to repair grub, but i can't figure out how to do it from the live cd i have..01:15
agwibowoic.. can i unload the already loaded module?01:16
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jmhodgesohh.. i think i know what i did.. n/m01:16
|doug|I've tried configuring it via http://localhost:631 but I can't figure out the username/password combo... root + my regular user pass doesnt work, nor does my regular username/password combo01:16
agwibowoogra: when i do modprobe snd-opl3sa2, it says error, no device01:16
ograagwibowo: dont know if it cleans up all its dependencys .... look what gets unloaded with lsmod before and after01:16
agwibowoit says, no such device01:17
ograagwibowo: do you know what kind of card it is ?01:17
agwibowoyamaha opl3sa something01:17
agwibowodefinitely yamaha and something with opl01:17
skeffHow do configure totem-xine to use ESD ?01:17
ograagwibowo: thats only one part....01:17
|doug|and I can't find anything on the ubuntu wiki... so I have tried to RTFM already, but there is no M to R that I can see :)01:18
ograskeff: is this not the default ?01:18
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ogra|doug|:  http://localhost:631  was disabled out of security reasons....01:19
LinuxJonesevening everybody01:19
ograhi :)01:19
LinuxJoneshi, ograbot01:19
skeffogra, well sound doesn't work any way, until I kill the esd daemon01:20
agwibowoi tried to find in google, it seems everyone with this laptop model is using opl3sa201:20
ograskeff: strange....for me it works....01:20
Gwildori am trying to play a dvd, the four feathers, and i get about 30 mins in to the movie, and totem crashes, and ask's if i am trying to play an encrypted movie with out libdvdc22, can anyone help?01:20
Gwildori do have libdvdcss201:20
ograagwibowo: give me the model01:21
LinuxJonesmplayer doesn't seem to add a configuration file in my ~ directory :(01:21
cbpyeeek.  Mozilla is in Japanese now.   WTF?01:21
ograagwibowo: of your lap....01:21
agwibowoTecra 800001:21
agwibowoToshiba Tecra 800001:21
ograagwibowo: heh... got an 8200 in my bag.....01:21
cbpyeanyone know how to get Mozilla back into English?01:22
|doug|ogra, yea, I see that now.  the gnome ui for it doesn't seem to do the trick though01:22
ograagwibowo: and a good ole sony on my knees....:)01:22
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FTTPdaily snapshot gives fatal error01:22
FTTPin hid01:22
FTTPwhat is module hid?01:23
agwibowoi found this...01:23
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agwibowoYamaha 3d sound effect-enabled OPL3-SA301:23
agwibowodunno if that helps01:23
ograagwibowo: probably ymf..... try sudo modprobe snd-ymfpci01:24
agwibowomodule is not found01:24
ograagwibowo: module is not found ???01:25
agwibowovery weird...01:25
ograagwibowo: it must be there by default01:25
FTTPogra i have hid module not found :P01:25
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FTTPogra for developmental iso01:25
ograFTTP: i dont use hoary01:25
agwibowoya very weird01:25
agwibowoi can find theh file,.... but cannot load it01:26
ograagwibowo: should be there /lib/modules/
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agwibowoyes it's there01:26
agwibowobut modprobe says module not found01:26
ograagwibowo: try uname -r01:26
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aigariushi all01:27
agwibowohey wait01:27
agwibowoFATAL: Module /lib/modules/ not found.01:27
agwibowowhy does it look in different directory????01:27
FTTPagwibowo ur doing better than me01:28
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FTTPi only got FFATAL: Module hid not found01:28
NivlemAnyone know why I would have system sounds, but nothing comes out when I insert a music cd and it starts to play?01:28
agwibowoit should look in
aigariusis there a public cvs or svn repository of ubuntu?01:28
LinuxJonesFTTP, your using hoary ?01:28
FTTPthe developmental snapshot got better tho01:28
agwibowoeh no no no01:28
agwibowoi'm talking rubbish01:28
FTTPlinuxjones:  I tried todays developmental snapshot01:28
agwibowowhat the heck... the file is there...01:28
FTTPlinuxjones:  Last one was a mess01:28
FTTPthis one is better01:28
ograagwibowo: where does this kernel come from ?01:28
FTTPbut it gives an error on bootup01:28
aigariusNivlem: you propably have no audio cable from your CD drive to the sound card01:29
agwibowofrom ubuntu cvs01:29
ograagwibowo: or its soudn modules ?01:29
LinuxJonesFTTP, why not just stick with Warty, it's fairly stable01:29
ograagwibowo: why that ?01:29
FTTPlinuxjones:  Im trying out distros01:29
NivlemThat is impossible....this is a macintosh..not a PC01:29
agwibowoogra: what did you mean?01:29
FTTPlinuxjones:  How come bsd never got attention :P01:29
agwibowonow it works01:29
ograagwibowo: why a cvs kernel ?01:29
FTTPeverything is linux linux linux01:29
FTTPso i go linux :)01:29
agwibowofor sopme weird reason01:29
LinuxJonesFTTP, developmental releases are no way to check out any distro :D01:29
socommNivlem: Macs are PC's ....01:29
FTTPlinuxjones i mean development of such01:30
FTTPlinuxjones:  i tried warty already01:30
agwibowoi was talking rubbish.. dunno the correct term.. i just did apt-get install linux-image.. you know...01:30
FTTPlinuxjones i reported the hid not found as bug01:30
ograagwibowo: ahh, ok01:30
agwibowoanyway, i can modprobe snd-ymfpci now01:30
agwibowowhat should i do now?01:30
FTTPgonna wait for tomorrows :)01:30
ograagwibowo: looking something up....wait a sec01:30
Nivlemsocomm: It is generally understood that when one refers to "PC" that is is intel i386 architecture..01:30
agwibowognome-volume-control still says that mixer is not found01:30
aigariusNivlem: and you want to say me that they need no audio cable? if so try checking you audio mixer for 'CD' volume01:31
FTTPhid = Human interface device ?01:31
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FTTPlike keyboard right?01:31
FTTPkeyboard, mouse01:31
andrilhello all - again!!!!!01:31
LinuxJoneshi andril01:32
Nivlemaigarius: That is not what I am saying at all...I have sound output from everything else..and this mac hasn't been opened  up and had anything changed...it plays music fine on the cd from within OSX therefore it IS NOT A CABLE PROBLEM01:32
aigariusNivlem: otherwise you could try to start xmms take preferences->input plugins->audiocd reader->configure->output->read cd digital audio01:33
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aigariusNivlem: that will make audio cds play the digital and not the analog way01:33
aigariusNivlem: maybe that osx plays them digitaly all way long01:34
Nivlemaigarius: I am assuming rythmbox is the cd player? It autoplays on insert..I will try that..01:34
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aigariusNivlem: i don't know if any other player except xmms has that feature01:34
ograagwibowo: try lspci|grep audio01:35
billytwowillyI would like to install windows xp into a 5 gig partition on this laptop that I already have ubuntu on. are there any howtos to show me how to minimize the damage that it will do to my linux partitions and their bootability?01:35
socommaigarius: gnome's CD player has that feature.01:35
agwibowoogra: none,empty01:35
ograagwibowo: try lspci and look for the sound device01:35
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agwibowoi don't think there's any sound device there01:36
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ograagwibowo: hmm, isa01:36
socommSound has to be the biggest problem with Ubuntu ...01:36
ograsocomm: with all distros...isnt it ?01:37
monkey89I have a rt2500 wireless card and I'd like to get access to the internet via Ubuntu, however I need the kernel sources to compile the module. What's the easiest way to do what I want? I'm in windows and can download files to a shared FAT32 partition.01:37
socommogra: I've never had sound problems.01:37
socommogra: at least none that I couldn't figure out by myself.01:38
aigariusis there a public place to get development scripts of ubuntu? i am talking of recompilation scrits, cd making scripts, which patches are applied to which packages01:38
nevynbillytwowilly: windows doesn't play nice with others.. make sure you have a bood disk01:38
billytwowillynevyn,  That's all I'll need to get grub working again?01:39
billytwowillyHow about for making my reiserfs partition smaller?01:39
ograagwibowo: the snd-opl3sa2 should be the right one....01:39
FTTPRed Hat late Friday warned Linux users of a "critical-critical" security hole that could compromise systems and allow root access to a remote attacker. ...01:39
FTTP+1 ubuntu :)01:39
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danielsFTTP: url?01:39
agwibowoogra: hmmm but modprobing it says "No such device"01:40
ograagwibowo: try loading it after next reboot, i'm not sure the other one got unloaded properly....so it says no such device....its blocked01:40
FTTPdaniels:  Updated: A fake security bulletin purporting to be from Red Hat resurfaced, warning Linux users of a "critical-critical" security hole.01:40
aigariusFTTP: that is not +1 ubuntu, but -1 redhat. and there is a hell of a lot of difference01:40
FTTPdaniels:  Fake :P01:40
agwibowooh ok...01:40
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agwibowoi'll remove the other one then from /etc/modules01:40
aigariusFTTP: you recieved it only now?01:41
FTTPaigarius:  i like debian cause its free01:41
nevynbillytwowilly: parted... maybe01:41
agwibowoi'll be back in 10 mins01:41
FTTPand i like ubuntu cause it has gnome 2.8 :P01:41
billytwowillynevyn, Thanks. I'll look into it.01:41
FTTPand is more user friendly01:41
nevyndaniels: boe.01:41
malte`fedora is free too and has gnome 2.801:41
aigariusFTTP: 1. -1 redhat = -1 linux in general 2. debian has gnome 2.8 as of 18.nov01:41
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socommFedora, free?!01:42
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pinkeei don't like that ubuntu makes it so difficult to change your desktop manager, has anyone sucessfully done this?01:42
aigariusfedora is as free as ubuntu01:42
FTTPmalte:  This is ubuntu :P, not #fedora01:42
malte`sure socomm01:42
FTTPanyways we off topic01:42
socommpinkee: xdm, kdm, etc ...01:43
aigariusuntil i can see a complete and public ubuntu cvs or svn repository01:43
pinkeei want enlightenment01:43
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FTTPaigarius:  SVN?01:43
socommpinkee: you mean WM not DM.01:43
LinuxJonesI installed Fedora Core 3 today and it was on my computer for 1/2 hour before wiping the disks and re-installing Ubuntu01:43
pinkeeso anyways01:43
socommpinkee: 1.6, or 1.7?01:43
FTTPaigarius:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ maybe ? :P i dont know what svn is01:43
malte`ehehe thank you LinuxJones , i wanted to try it too01:43
malte`now i'll not :P01:43
pinkeeeither really01:43
aigariusFTTP: svn=subversion=cvs replacement01:43
socommpinkee: you can probably install E1.6 from reps, and it will show up in GDM.01:44
FTTPlooks like ubuntu is cvs still01:44
ograaigarius: arent all source pkgs enough ?01:44
LinuxJonesmalte`, I couldn't even install xqf without re-compiling it. That distro is a total mess01:44
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aigariusogra: no - I want to replicate the whole process01:45
Keybukaigarius: you'll see neither01:45
FTTPbrb trying to install from hoary even with the fatal HID error01:45
pinkeesocomm: i wrote it to .xinitrc abnd when it loads there are no menus of apps, perhaps i am too accustomed to debian and doing this wrong.01:45
Keybukbecause we're an Arch/tla house :p01:45
FTTPsince my keyboard still works01:45
agwibowoogra: u still there?   that modprobe still doesn't work01:45
FTTPit could be for the mouse01:45
FTTPill fix it after install01:45
FTTPif it dont work01:45
socommpinkee: `apt-get install enlightenment' that will install everything you need and add an entry to your GDM so you won't need to fsck with .xinitrc01:45
aigariusKeybuk: and is ubuntu arch repository publicly accessible01:45
ograagwibowo: hmm... error ?01:45
tyranoi almost have ubuntu01:45
agwibowono such device01:46
tyranoand then i will be linux king?01:46
danielsnevyn: sup01:46
pinkeei don't want GDM01:46
agwibowobut... strangely.... when i do lsmod, there are some snd_opl3 there...01:46
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agwibowoalthough i've removed the loading opl3 from /etc/modules01:46
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Keybukaigarius: arch.ubuntu.com -- though there's not much in it, at the moment we're still in the process of importing things; as we're Debian-based, and they don't have any form of repository01:46
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marjanwhy can't i play mp3 files?01:46
marjanwhat do i need to install for it?01:46
socommpinkee: then just install with apt and let it configure eveything for you.01:46
DCastManbecause your inferior01:46
ograagwibowo: snd_opl3sa2 ?01:46
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socommbonobo, mp301:47
marjani just installed ubuntu01:47
pinkeesocomm: i did and it has no application menus01:47
ogramarjan: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:47
marjanogra, how to enable them?01:47
agwibowoit's   snd_opl3_lib01:47
marjanogra, i need mp301:47
marjanogra, what do i need to install?01:47
ograsocomm: its off01:47
ogramarjan: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats01:47
aigariusKeybuk: yes I know about the base (DD myself), the point is that I am doing a CDD and I am looking into ways of making it a CUD :)01:47
socommpinkee: I haven't used E in a long time, you may need to edit some of the configs for E's popup menu.01:47
ogramarjan: read this01:47
LinuxJonesmarjan, gstreamer0.8-mad01:47
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pinkeeugh, whatever01:48
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marjanLinuxJones, where to get it from?01:48
ograagwibowo: post your output from lsmod|grep snd to #flood please01:48
socommmarjan: run `synaptic'01:48
LinuxJonesmarjan, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/01:49
marjanmy connection is very slow01:49
marjani need to wait 5 minutes till page loads01:49
marjanplease copy that!01:49
agwibowojust did it01:49
ogramarjan: too much to copy01:49
ograagwibowo: snd_cs4231_lib  ? where does this come from....01:50
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tyranoi think the mp3 format is patented, but not mp3 players?01:50
thoreauputicDCastMan: please turn that off01:51
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marjanmy god01:51
marjanwhy the hell i need to install this01:51
marjanwith my slow connection01:51
marjanit is unfear01:51
marjanand why the hell such needed things are not on cd01:51
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ogramarjan: because fraunhofer charges for supplying it on discs01:52
marjanit is not funny01:52
LinuxJonesDCastMan, please don't use racial slurs in IRC k thanks !!01:52
ogramarjan: nope, its not01:52
ogramarjan: but you are simply not allowed to ship it01:52
thoreauputicmarjan: licensing issues ( not Ubuntu's fault)01:52
agwibowoogra: any clue?01:53
marjanthe fedora core and ubuntu are only distros which don't do that01:53
DCastManI'm sorry01:53
marjanmandrake suse and co. have it01:53
monkey89How can I install the kernel sources w/o internet access?01:53
socommmonkey89: CD's maybe.01:53
ograagwibowo: i'd like to know where these modules get loaded from .... strange01:53
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monkey89ok, but what files do I need? I can download files and copy them to the linux partition, but i cant use anything in linux01:53
agwibowoi've just posted the content of my /etc/modules01:54
agwibowoto #flood01:54
ograDCastMan: PLEASE STOP THIS01:54
thoreauputiccould someone with op privileges please take action on DCastMan ?01:54
ermoogra, come on. He's just trolling.01:54
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tyranojust /ignore01:54
ograermo: its disgudting01:54
LinuxJonescan someone please kick this idiot from IRC please01:54
LinuxJonesdaniels you there ?01:54
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AmaranthThe more you complain the happier he gets.01:55
AmaranthYou're feeding the troll.01:55
socommogra: what did s/he do01:55
marjanlook hell01:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: well I'm now playing Shaman - Ancient Winds :-P01:55
nevyndaniels: nommuch.01:55
ograsocomm: look....at the titles01:55
marjanit will now download 2mb of package lists01:55
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marjancan you please give me the direkt link to gstreamer-mad and gstreamer-lame?01:56
socommogra: oh all right.01:56
marjanotherway i need to wait 25 minutes till it gets package lists01:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: we don't care01:56
socommJust ignore it, it will go away.01:57
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: why don't you turn off the bot an just say what you are playing yourself?01:57
marjanogra, can you please give me the direkt link to the gstreamer-mad?01:57
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: it would be a good lesson in just how interesting it really is01:57
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agwibowoogra: still no clue??01:57
DCastManNow playing Soilwork - Steelbath Suicide.mp3 then01:58
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ograagwibowo: nope, not really....01:58
ograagwibowo: its a bit strange that there are any sond modules....01:59
marjanogra, thx, and for gstreamer-lame?01:59
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: that's better.. now what is so great about that song that you should mention it?01:59
agwibowoany other place i should look for beside /etc/modules ?01:59
agwibowofor the list of modules that gets loaded?01:59
DCastManIt has a good message02:00
DCastManAnd that message is: "drumdrumdrumguitarsolodrums"02:00
marcellusIs warty-release-install-amd64.iso broken? When it is installing the base system it fails because the generic part of the amd64 kernel package is missing.02:01
tyranois there an install guide on the install cd ;O02:01
tyranoor do i have to print it out :(02:01
ogramarcellus: how fast did you burn this disk ?02:02
socommDCastMan: St.Louis?02:02
danielsLinuxJones: yo02:02
marcellusogra: 4x I guess. The maximum on my old burner.02:02
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ogramarcellus: should be ok... did you check the disk....there is an option in the menu.....02:03
marcellusogra: I am not certain about the "missing" part because it might be package that is present in "pools/restricted".02:03
DCastManHow is hoary pronounced?02:04
tyranois there an install guide on the install cd ;O02:04
agwibowois hoary out????02:04
socommagwibowo: no02:05
danielsDCastMan: 'hoar-iy'02:05
ograagwibowo: april02:05
agwibowostill long way to go02:05
ermoDCastMan, you know, kinda like 'hairy'02:05
agwibowoany recommended application for my gnome?02:05
DCastMan$> stfu -plz02:06
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agwibowowhat's that gstreamer about?02:06
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ograagwibowo: i just looked at modinfo snd-opl3sa2 whoo lots of options....02:06
tyranoubuntu uses xorg right?02:06
thoreauputicdaniels: thank you02:06
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tyranonot xfree86?02:06
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW02:06
ograyay daniels02:06
danielstyrano: in hoary (our development branch), yes02:06
Gnobodyhdparm screws up02:06
danielsthoreauputic: in general, it's best to just let it go02:07
ograthank you so much02:07
socommdaniels: +ban.02:07
agwibowoogra: ok... and does it give any clue?02:07
danielssocomm: yes, I did already02:07
ermo'any recommended application for my gnome' - good one. Well, you can make him polish your shoes. Or mow your lawn. And sorry, couldn't resist.02:07
tyranois it easy to upgrade to hoary :O02:07
danielstyrano: it's not recommended if you're not familiar with debian or ubuntu02:07
tyranobut xfree86 is old :/02:07
ograagwibowo: i think snd_opl3_lib blocks the device...so your snd-opl3sa2 fails to load02:07
ermotyrano, but if it works, so what?02:07
danielsright, but if it still works and displays stuff ...02:08
agwibowoogra:... hmmm.... so how do i remove that snd_opl3_lib???02:08
ogradaniels: <---- X-Man02:08
tyranoi dunno, ive read a lot of problems with it for ati and widescreen displays :/02:08
agwibowois there any way to unload the already loaded modules?02:08
ograagwibowo: there i'm sitll diggin for an idea02:08
danielstyrano: what sort of video card do you have, and is it laptop/desktop?02:08
ermoagwibowo, rmmod <module>02:08
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danielstyrano: because unless you have a really, really, really new card (r4xx -- anything starting with an x, e.g. x300, x400, x600, x800), it should be just fine02:09
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tyranoradeon 9700m, laptop with widescreen, largest resolution is (1280x800))02:09
danielstyrano: works fine02:09
danielsas in, I'll be amazed if it doesn't02:09
thibaudI have a problem with my wireless connection02:10
thibaudI can't have it 'on boot'02:10
thibaudI need to 'ifup wlan0'02:10
thibaudas root02:11
thibaudIf I choose 'on boot' in the network configuration tool02:11
tyranois there an install doc02:11
ograthibaud: did you check the start on boot option in the network managing app ?02:11
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thibaudyes I did02:12
thibaudbut If i check it, then network doesn't work after boot02:12
ermodaniels, x300? But that's basically an RV3xx core, isn't it?02:12
thibaudand I need to 'ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan 0'02:12
LinuxJonessorry daniels I was afk, I was going to ask you to kick that idiot DCastMan02:13
thibaudDo you have another idea ogra ?02:13
thoreauputicLinuxJones: doen02:13
agwibowoogra: i've unloaded all the sound related modules, and tried to load snd-opl3sa2... but it still says "No such device"02:13
danielsermo: aiui x300 is an r4xx, but i may be wrong02:13
LinuxJonesthoreauputic, ya I see that :D02:13
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.02:13
Gnobodythe dvd drive is standard ATA02:13
marcellusFor some unknown reason things seems to work now. (Well I don't have the network configured on the box)02:14
ograagwibowo: its the module for  Yamaha OPL3SA2+ which should be in your laptop....02:14
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agwibowoogra: i don't quite get what you are saying... are you asking me something, or just saying to yourself ??02:14
ograthibaud: look in /etc/network/interfaces if there is noauto written near wlan0 anywhere02:15
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ograagwibowo: i have no idea why you cant load it....02:15
agwibowome 2..02:15
marcellusWell time to fix the network then. Later maybe.02:16
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agwibowomaybe try sound blaster compatible instead?02:16
ograagwibowo: hmmm....depends:        snd-cs4231-lib,snd-opl3-lib,snd,snd-mpu401-uart,snd-pcm02:16
thibaudogra: no here are the only 3 lines about wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp02:16
thibaudname Liaison par onde radio02:16
thibaudwireless_essid ma maison02:16
ograagwibowo: the dependencys are exactly what is loaded after boot....02:17
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.02:17
thibaudiface wlan0 inet dhcp02:17
thibaudname Liaison par onde radio02:17
thibaudwireless_essid ma maison02:17
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ograthibaud: hmm, should work02:18
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agwibowoogra: so you are certain that my sound card is ISA ?02:19
thibaudogra: moreover 'ifup wlan0' works perfectly02:19
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Kanohi how is that package created: linux-headers-
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ograagwibowo: yep....02:19
thibaudogra: Maybe it is a bug, do you know where I should post it ?02:20
FTTPi hope hoary fixes that modprobe fatal error02:20
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agwibowothis is strange02:20
ograthibaud: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com02:20
agwibowoi'm sure i've unloaded all the snd-* modules02:20
agwibowoit's back again when i do lsmod02:20
ograagwibowo: but ?02:20
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ograagwibowo: they are dependent to snd-opl3sa2...02:21
alka_trashquick question: does direct rendering in glxinfo verify dga?02:21
agwibowothat's why they are loaded again..02:21
ograagwibowo: i guess snd-opl3sa2 is also loaded on boot ...thats why they were there before....02:22
ermodaniels, (was curious) <quote>The Radeon X300 is the PCI Express version of the Radeon 9550.</quote>02:22
ograagwibowo: there must be some setting either for the module or a bootoption that will help here02:22
danielsermo: ah.  in other words, total crap. :)02:23
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ermodaniels, probably. I bought a 9250 to be able to use the open source dri drivers. Excellent image quality...02:23
ogradaniels: but quite a "faster" name02:23
agwibowoi tried modprobe snd-sb16-csp it does not complain...02:24
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ograagwibowo: does your mixer work ?02:24
osiris_22umm my friend02:24
ermodaniels, also, the X600 is basically a souped up RV360 and some extra features (not mentioned in the article I'm reading)02:24
osiris_22just tried to boot into ubuntu02:24
osiris_22and he got5 an error02:24
osiris_22that said there is errors on the file system02:24
osiris_22what does he do?02:24
danielsermo: yeah02:25
socommwhat are the exact errors02:25
danielsermo: iirc the x800 (r423) is the really interesting one in terms of new tech02:26
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osiris_22when he was butting in it said hda1 has a file systme with errors on it02:26
osiris_22and then it took him into a text prompt02:26
osiris_22that says root02:26
osiris_22or something02:26
ermodaniels, sure is. But I was thinking in terms of what hardware could reasonably be expected to be supported under X02:26
danielsi still have an 8500 (r200), quite happy with it02:26
ermodaniels, By extension, I would tend to belive that x300 and x600 /should/ work with the ati-drivers.02:27
agwibowothis is pathetic....02:27
ermodaniels, Off course, I have no hard evidence to back up that claim.02:27
danielsermo: er, we have full 2d support for r4xx, y'know02:27
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ermodaniels, so it's just 3d?02:27
danielsermo: there's 2d support for every ati card on the market02:27
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osiris_22any idea on what to do socomm should he reinstall or what02:27
eazel7how can I enable my root account to be able to do a simple 'su' command?02:28
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eazel7: sudo passwd root02:28
agwibowoemule is not available for linux....02:28
eazel7GammaRay, ok02:28
ograeazel7: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo#02:28
wm_eddieagwibowo: yes it is02:28
ermodaniels, but it's still via the ati binary drivers, isn't it?02:28
agwibowowhere to download it from?02:28
ograagwibowo: xmule is in universe02:28
danielsermo: 3d?  or 2d?02:28
cardadoragwibowo: xmule or amule02:28
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: what's wrong w/ amule?02:28
socommosiris_22: hmmm well if you don't know what you're doing just reinstall, otherwise try to revocer with a disk or something.02:28
eazel7GammaRay, thanks02:28
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ograagwibowo: not the greatest but does the job02:29
agwibowowhich one is better, amule or xmule?02:29
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) they are very similar02:29
cardadoragwibowo: amule i guess02:29
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure what the differences are anymore02:29
ermodaniels, I'm not making sense, sorry. I was referring to your prior quip to tyrano: tyrano: because unless you have a really, really, really new card (r4xx -- anything starting with an x, e.g. x300, x400, x60002:29
danielsermo: oh, right02:29
danielsi'm too tired for coherency anyway02:29
ograGammaRay: no package for amule in universe ?02:29
cardadoragwibowo: check both websites, and then choose02:30
ermodaniels, and so was just trying to elaborate on x300 and x60002:30
Phr0stByteagwibowo: I have found this to be a great way to go: http://ed2k-gtk-gui.sourceforge.net/download.shtml02:30
agwibowooh my god02:30
ograGammaRay: oh, sorry...just checked.....its there...02:30
agwibowoi accidentally drag the top panel to the side of my screen02:30
agwibowohow do i return it to the top?02:31
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) drag it back?02:31
ermoagwibowo, OH NO! REINSTALL!02:31
ograagwibowo: drag02:31
FTTPusplash sounds awesome02:31
agwibowoi cant02:31
socommagwibowo: middle click and drag02:31
FTTPme thinks hoary will be an excellent release02:31
socommagwibowo: or use right and left click to drag02:31
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agwibowowhere to click it?????02:32
agwibowoeverywhere i click, it's clicking the button02:32
ograagwibowo: free space02:32
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ChibiHoary will certainly be as impressive of an impact as warty was.02:32
cardadoragwibowo: look for some pixels in between the big icons :)02:32
wm_eddieagwibowo: hold crtl and click and drag02:32
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ChibiEspecially if they get all of the console hiding parts done.02:32
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: there is a key combo to get to the menu02:32
socommosiris_22: yes?02:32
osiris_22we are guessen its his hard drive its self.. cause its maken all kinds of noices02:32
osiris_22and its been getting hot02:33
socommosiris_22: that's probably it, sounds like your hard drive is broken.02:33
ermoPhr0stByte, yup. Mules n donkeys can be terribly stubborn. Now they dragged his gnome bar all the way across the screen. HEE HAAW02:33
osiris_22his windows hard drive is doing it to02:33
wm_eddieagwibowo: Did CTRL+drag work?02:33
osiris_22his computer is really wierd02:33
ChibiHAHA XD02:33
agwibowowm_eddie: no02:33
osiris_22like it has no fans it only has a processer fan02:33
osiris_22thats it02:33
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: click on somethiung on the panel and press F1002:33
osiris_22uit dont have any system fants02:33
osiris_22fans or anything02:34
wm_eddieagwibowo: You sure?02:34
ChibiOh that was hilarious. My cousin came over and tried to use my computer, looking for a start menu at the bottom of the screen02:34
socommosiris_22: that's not good, since you're computer needs all those fance to cool down your hardware.02:34
osiris_22so im thinking his hard driver are overheating02:34
agwibowoi don't know where to click..02:34
agwibowothe items are so huge02:34
agwibowoand there are no free space02:34
osiris_22he said yesterday his hard drives were maken noices02:34
socommagwibowo: remove some items.02:34
osiris_22and i was like like dude02:34
wm_eddieagwibowo: hold CTRL and drag. doesn't matter where you click.02:34
osiris_22snece you have no phen02:34
osiris_22dont fucken have them in there at the same time02:35
agwibowonow i have to return back all the items02:35
wm_eddieohh woops...02:35
ChibiI have an auto-hiding bar stretched across the bottom of my screen, my media player. She flipped out. :D02:35
wm_eddieI know there's a way to do this...02:35
socommosiris_22: it sounds like like a hardware problem, just get some new hardware and a cooling system.02:35
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: what's so special about that? :-P02:35
FTTPwhat is SVG?02:35
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: I seem to recall windows can do that02:35
ermoFTTP, Scalable Vector Graphics02:35
FTTPubuntu says it wants to do svg aware eye candy02:35
wm_eddieagwibowo: umm try making the panel smaller.02:36
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: vector images vs raster images02:36
FTTPgammaray:  ?02:36
FTTPthat means nothing to me02:36
ChibiIt was just funny to see her scream when there was a playlist instead of a start button :P02:36
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: google!02:36
wm_eddieor removing things one by one until you see gray again...02:36
agwibowowm_eddie: it's ok now.. thx02:36
FTTPgammaray:  so what sort of eye candy do they mean?02:36
wm_eddieWe need to suggest to gnome to have a lock panel option02:36
osiris_22hes gonna use a seagate hard drive..02:36
wm_eddieThat also happened to my roommate.02:37
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: vector images can scale w/out gettting pixilated02:37
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.02:37
Phr0stByteHas anyone seen this?: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?xdesktopwaves02:37
FTTPgammaray ok02:37
wm_eddieGammaRay: Does OS X use SVG? or just really large images?02:37
FTTPgammaray i guess that means like the ubuntu logos and such?02:37
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) wm_eddie: no idea02:37
ermoFTTP, (simple explanation) you can either represent a picture by rows and columns of dots (bitmap) or by describing each component of a picture as an equation. The equations can be scaled, whereas the bitmaps need to be resamled.02:38
cardadorPhr0stByte: have you tried it?02:38
agwibowoany suggestion on dreamweaver-like html editor in linux?02:38
agwibowoi know screem, bluefish02:38
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: all the icons.. so you can change the resolution and keep the same sized interface02:38
Gnobodyagwibowo: NVU02:38
Phr0stBytecardador: not yet02:38
Phr0stBytecardador: looks real cool though...02:38
ChibiCan't Enlightenment do that?02:39
wm_eddieagwibowo: nvu looks good but I've never gotten it to install correctly, I use Mozilla composer for my stuff... not as good as dreamweaver (not even close) but good enough for some things.02:39
agwibowook.... thx!02:39
socommPhr0stByte: I have.02:39
ograhehe....desktop with builtin scientific screensaver bg....02:39
osiris_22i found this awsome drug related screensaver in my screensavers thintg02:40
Gnobodynvu is most like Dreamweaver02:40
osiris_22its like awsom4e02:40
socommPhr0stByte: Still buggy.02:40
cardadorGnobody: are debs available for nvu?02:40
Phr0stBytesocomm: thought so. Looked to cool to be true02:40
eazel7Gnobody, where can I find nvu?02:40
FTTPok i tried an svg demo of adobe02:41
FTTPnice stuff02:41
socommPhr0stByte: looks can be deceiving.02:41
ChibiAAAHHk. I see qt.02:41
socommPhr0stByte: give a spin it's a really small program ~20 sec compilation.02:41
agwibowothat's quite a huge prog.. 11 mb02:41
ograPhr0stByte: hmm first release..... 2004-11-18 03:1902:42
Phr0stByteChibi: LOL. Is that like "I see dead people..."?02:42
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ChibiYes. Only Qt is scarier. :P02:42
cardadorPhr0stByte: ia m trying it right now... looks good!02:42
FTTPyou know what i noticed, alot of apps for linux are only for solaris + redhat02:42
drac<socomm> Phr0stByte: give a spin it's a really small program ~20 sec compilation. <-- it's a lot02:42
FTTPerr i mean02:42
FTTPthey have rpms02:42
FTTPalot dont have precompiled debian files02:43
FTTPis it possible to use an rpm on debian?02:43
Gnobodyjust use alien to install rpms02:43
FTTPif all you have is the rpm02:43
socommdrac: that's an estimate it's probably alot less than that since it's only one source file.02:43
Gnobodysudo alien -i nvu.rpm02:43
FTTPgnobody:  They should include alien on default so it works fully02:43
socommFTTP: you can install rpms on ubuntu02:43
dracfakeroot ;)02:43
FTTPsocomm is alien default?02:43
socommFTTP: think so.02:43
FTTPsocomm:  Hmmm02:44
Phr0stBytesocomm: I'll pass for now, as it is nothing actually useful - just eye-candy02:44
dracnot shure02:44
socommFTTP: I installed lame via alien, works fine for me.02:44
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: checkinstall easily makes debs from source02:44
FTTPsocomm:  See the problem often for debian is that its easy to get commercial apps but alot of times they dont have debian versions, they are often for redhat02:45
FTTPgammaray right but some only distribute the rpm02:45
ChibiGood commercial apps are all static linked and have bin installers. :P02:45
FTTPchibi adobe for example for its svg viewer02:45
FTTPit has redhat02:45
FTTPand a .rpm02:46
ChibiHehe, I know. :P02:46
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FTTPchibi:  Oh wait02:46
FTTPits a tar.gz02:46
FTTPit says redhat 7.1 to 902:46
FTTPso that means its prolly non compiled?02:47
Chibiquite possible. I didn't look at it, though. :P02:47
Gnobodyits a binary extract it to "/"02:48
FTTPgnobody it is?02:48
socommFTTP: probably just a bin inside a tarball.02:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd use stow myself02:48
FTTPgnobody its not like i want to use it02:48
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FTTPbut im just using that as example of redhat app02:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) my create a mess you can't clean up?02:48
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) why02:48
FTTPgnobody:  i mean i dont expect their to be ubuntu versions, but ubuntu needs to work with those redhat and other linux distro versions02:49
FTTPbut you said alien works so........02:49
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FTTPthat is prolly enuff if it works all the time02:49
dracalien works02:49
dracbut you won't have the dependences02:50
Gnobodyyeah with debian you can pretty much install any linux binary you want02:50
Gnobodyx86 of course02:50
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) that will allow you to install it but that won't fix any depends it needs but you don't have02:50
Gnobodyand ubuntu is debian base02:50
FTTPgnobody right but some apps only give rpms02:50
FTTPAlien should not be used to replace important system packages, like sysvinit, shared libraries, or other things that are essential for the functioning of your system. Many of these packages are set up differently by Debian and Red Hat, and packages from the different distributions cannot be used interchangably. In general, if you can't uninstall the package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien02:50
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) w/a range from rh 6-9 it's probably a static binary02:50
FTTPgammaray i only used that as an example tho02:51
tmartinhey this is off topic but is there a channel on freenode for talking about programming in c++?02:51
FTTPsee the problem is interchangable02:51
tmartinhaha thx :)02:51
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm using that example also02:51
FTTPor......... debian needs to push for debian versions :)02:51
LinuxJonesjoin #python02:52
FTTPgammaray:  Ok lets see here......... what commercial software is there for linux :P02:52
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd rather see agnotic installers for this type of software02:52
FTTPagnostic you mean02:52
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) yea02:53
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: realplayer02:53
socommFTTP: setup.exe02:53
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FTTPthere is no .exe for linux02:53
FTTPsocomm:  Executables is a windows concept02:54
ogralooks really funny02:54
socommAnd here I've been using -o program.exe02:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: ummm no02:54
FTTPsocomm dunno02:54
cardadorogra: try it with quality 9 :)02:54
FTTPgammaray:  Thought .exe was for windows :P02:54
FTTPgammaray unless ur running wine of course02:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) executables is actually the proper term for what people commonly call binaries02:55
stuNNeddoes noapic and nolapic do the same things or do i need both?  system is freezing...02:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) the .exe extension is windows only true..02:55
socommFTTP: I was kidding, you can tell gcc to compile a program with whatever name you like, for instance `gcc file.cc -o program.exe'02:55
FTTPgammaray thats what i meant02:55
FTTPsocomm gotcha02:56
FTTPgammaray:  ubuntu/debian needs an easier way to install apps02:56
FTTPjust download and it auto installs02:56
ChibiFTTP- Being worked on :P02:56
FTTPother than synaptic / apt get02:56
ChibiHave you seen it yet?02:56
FTTPchibi nope02:56
ogracardador: still interlaced...and waaay sloow02:56
FTTPwas that on the work in progress list for hoary?02:56
FTTPmaybe i missed it :)02:57
ograi made a package.....02:57
eazel7can anaconda be used for ubuntu?02:57
ChibiIt's like anaconda's install selection .02:57
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FTTPi dunno02:57
FTTPi mean for install02:57
LinuxJoneseazel7, no not as of yet02:57
FTTPchibi:  Ill google for it maybe02:57
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: "download and install" is kinda silly for linux02:57
ChibiFttp, hold on, I'll grab a screenshot of it really quick02:57
eazel7LinuxJones, what is needed to try?02:57
FTTPchibi thanks :)02:58
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: software is so interconnected02:58
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eruin.exe as an extension isn't windows-specific02:58
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: you're just talking about an easier interface to apt right?02:58
ChibiFTTP- There's also an auto-updater and graphic installer in the work.02:58
eazel7I wait for haiku for a definite OS02:58
eruinmuine.exe? :P02:58
ChibiYeah, Gamma, the lazy apt. :P02:59
FTTPchibi:  oh its just apt02:59
eazel7Chibi, what app are you talking about?02:59
FTTPchibi:  Screenshot would still be nice if u can :)02:59
LinuxJoneseazel7, Progeny has ported Anaconda and has been incorporated into their Debian based distro02:59
FTTPchibi:  But im referring to installing commercial apps02:59
FTTPthat are not in the repositories02:59
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: well I hope you guys reqwrite the broken vsftpd init.d script as well :-P02:59
eruinthe problem with anaconda debian-wise is that it doesn't support more than two archs02:59
FTTPunless that app can handle those too?02:59
eazel7LinuxJones, I'll see what can I do, I'm really interested02:59
ChibiOohhhhh, Like the firefox and xfce installers? :P03:00
FTTPchibi i never installed xfce or firefox i dunno03:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: why should it be the distro makers job to cover the asses of adobe?03:00
eruinwho maintains firefox?03:00
cardadorNVU is amazing!03:00
jomohkeis it?03:00
FTTPgammaray:  Whos covering their ass?  its making it easier to use the apps03:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: a lot of time, ubuntun could not even legally make pacages for these pieces of software03:01
ChibiThey're like installing windows applications, FTTP. With the whole 'choose what parts you want' graphic installer shebang.03:01
FTTPgammaray oh03:01
cardadorjomohke: just tried it now, looks good03:01
FTTPok well if legal issues come into play thats another story03:01
jomohkecardador: The brief comments I've heard of it were that it was fairly incomplete. I haven't tried it, though.03:01
FTTPchibi yeah well maybe adobe will eventually make a better installer :)03:01
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: not to mention that they all use different interfaces for installing, it would have to be done on a per software basis, which is a lot of work.03:01
eruinwhy oh why is people.debian.org so slooow03:01
LinuxJoneseazel7, I hope Ubuntu borrows from Progeny, Anaconda is excellent.03:02
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: specifically to piss you off03:02
FTTPgammaray then it should be up to the manufacturer03:02
FTTPgammaray or just make sure for example u can easily install rpms which is the most common standard03:02
eazel7I hope that anaconda uses backends03:02
eazel7so there is no duplicated work betwin rpm and deb versions03:02
FTTPgammaray i guess there is no simple solution between opensource and commercial03:03
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: but is is already up to the manufacturer.. every seperate one w/ theie different owners03:03
FTTPto use commercial apps if one so chooses on ubuntu03:03
LinuxJoneseazel7, the source code should be on the Progeny website. i'm pretty sure it's written in gtk-python03:03
eruineverything redhat is built with gtkpython03:03
FTTPgammaray:  Right but as of now many use .bin and .rpm03:04
FTTPso there has to be a way to use those easily03:04
FTTPgammaray is there a gnome frontend to alien for example?03:04
FTTPthat may be the best solution there03:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: .bin is easy enough to deal with. ie the nvidia installer should work on ubuntu03:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: never used alien03:05
eazel7Anaconda is written in Python and C03:05
FTTPchibi thats just copying the windows method :P03:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: quote new to debian as well.. about a month03:05
FTTPgammaray u mean anaconda?03:06
LinuxJoneseazel7, >> http://componentizedlinux.org/anaconda/03:06
eruinhow on earth is that copying the windows method?03:06
ChibiThe point is to ease use, right?03:06
FTTPeruin:  Add + remove programs03:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: no. I mean quite :-P03:06
ChibiThe windows way is the way most windows migrants are used to.03:06
eruinfttp, and your point?03:06
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FTTPeruin nothing03:07
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FTTPeruin im just saying it was the equivalent of add + remove03:07
FTTPjust organized up to down03:07
FTTPjust a different layout, same concept03:07
Phr0stByteogra: can we get it from you?03:08
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eazel7LinuxJones, I'm there, thanks03:08
eruinFTTP, do you have some fantastic new concept for this particular task then? ;P03:08
FTTPeruin no, it works well03:08
ograPhr0stByte: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu look for Grawert03:08
eruinmaybe a 3d box spinning around? ;)03:08
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I like the search box :-P03:08
FTTPeruin:  I like it :)03:08
eruinI think it should be organized a bit differently though03:08
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mxpxpodwhat happened to the gaim evo plugin?03:09
FTTPeruin me too03:09
YokoZarHow does Ubuntu determine what things to put in the applications menu?  I don't seem to have the menu package installed03:09
eruinwith categories on a left pane with its items on a right pane03:09
FTTPeruin yeah its nice03:09
(jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: that's all gnome functionality03:09
YokoZarjdub: Even when I install a package?03:10
FTTPwhat i meant was this tho:  is there a way to easily install .bins kinda like a program which will just run it and install it easily and bring up the right windows for install (even a terminal mode) and stuff?03:10
FTTPfrom that add/remove program interface03:10
FTTPor whatever03:10
FTTPshould be a way where u can do it easily without leaving gnome and going to terminal03:10
FTTPthats what i meant03:10
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: a paperclips and glue idea.. have .bin files open in gnmome-terminal03:11
FTTPgammaray:  Can they be already?03:11
FTTPno i mean03:11
eruinwell, if some standarized toolkit that all distributors of .bin files used was in place, that could easily be written03:11
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FTTPgammaray:  A program which will easily walk u thru install03:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) they are just executables.. ie xterm -e reaplayer.bin03:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: they would depends on what the .bin did I guess03:12
FTTPgammaray i dunno........03:12
eruinbut since a bin can be all console-based (nvidia) while another (quake3) can be gtk-based, how should the installer logic be?03:12
FTTPwhatever works i guess :)03:12
thoreauputicFTTP: if it's a precompiled binary you can extract it in nautilus, navigate to th edirectory, create a link and off you go : but I agree for new users how to do that isn't intuitive03:12
FTTPeruin good point03:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: open them all in a term03:12
eruinwe're talkinga bout a gui tool here03:13
FTTPthoreauputic yeah right, just a way to automate just what u said03:13
eruinI know full-well how to run a .bin file ;>03:13
FTTPthreauputic just add a feature for that which will do just that :)03:13
FTTPon all .bin files03:13
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: synaptic does as much03:13
YokoZarjdub: A Debian package should have some common menu creating hints in it, and the menu package will then make a menu out of it for every window manager.  Does this not happen in Ubuntu?03:13
FTTPor something03:13
eruinGammaRay, no.03:13
thoreauputicFTTP: problem is that how binaries install is not standardised03:13
FTTPthoreauputic:  hmmmmmm03:13
eruinhe's talking about non-open software03:14
FTTPthoreauputic:  Ill come up with something03:14
FTTPill try those apps and see03:14
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: you never noticed the terminal window while software is installing?03:14
FTTPeruin it should be mostly open software, but there are times when u may want to add 1 commerical program03:14
FTTPfor whatever reason03:14
eruinGammaRay, this has nothing to do with apt or debs or ubuntus workings in general for that matter03:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: I know taat full well03:15
(jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: we don't display or support the debian menu system03:15
FTTPjdub oh what installer is you right?03:15
nonajmehmm, how can i reconfigure xfree with the standard config?03:15
eruinGammaRay, if synaptic can, say, be used to install both the official nvidia package and quake3 point releases, that's sure news to me03:15
YokoZarjdub: Ahh.  So how do Ubuntu packages add menu items to ubuntu then?03:16
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: you're missing my point03:16
FTTPjdub u handle software installers too tho or just the 1st time install?03:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: that's all gnome/freedesktop.org menu functionality03:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: what?03:16
FTTPjdub i mean that add/remove type program03:16
FTTPthat someone showed me03:16
eruinGammaRay, point is, we're talkinga bout packages that will never show up in any repository usable by synaptic03:16
FTTPjdub u dont handle that right?03:16
stuNNedjdub, if i add kernel line 'noapic' do i need to add 'nolapic' as well?03:16
(jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: i don't understand what you're asking.03:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: i don't know.03:17
YokoZarjdub: Ahh, so some packages use both the debian menu system and the freedesktop stuff03:17
stuNNedjdub, k thanks mate03:17
eruinmore like some kind of cross-distro standarized installer, ala installshield on windows03:17
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: I don't know what to say but "duh!"03:17
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I don't think so, but if it doesn't work, try using nolapic as well...03:17
(jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: yeah, the debian menu stuff is still there, but not used03:17
eruinGammaRay, then why on earth do you bring up the subject of synaptic?03:17
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NewComertranscode depends on libjasper, a package that doesn't exist in the repos03:17
stuNNedLathiat, ah ok thanks :)03:18
FTTPjdub:   nevermind.... i was just discussing that there should be an easier way to install commercial apps03:18
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: it's a very blunt concept. .bin files are typically installers. If they happen to be console installers all is well, if they happen to use X windows then the term can just sit in the background.03:18
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hcker2000dose any one know if there is a way to get dvd playback working on ppc ubuntu?03:19
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FTTPjdub like those .bins and rpms from graphical if possible, but its possible due to non standardization it wouldnt work anyways03:19
mxpxpodhcker2000: apt-get install totem-xine03:19
hcker2000let me give that a trysky03:20
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thoreauputicFTTP: a few projects about installers: http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/System/Files/Installers/Uninstallers/1890/03:20
YokoZarjdub: Alot of universe packages have /usr/lib/menu entries but no freedesktop stuff.  Is there a plan to handle that somehow?03:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: also install libdvdcss203:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedForma03:20
ograYokoZar: debian will change that itself....03:20
thoreauputicFTTP: if the software is commercial, it's really up to the company to design it so it can install easily03:21
hcker2000GammaRay, thanks and do i need to add a specific mirror to get totem-xine because it isnt in the list03:21
ograYokoZar: they plan to move to a freedektop compliant system03:21
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: universe I think03:21
FTTPthoreauputic:  Right but alot of times it easy to install it, thru redhat for example03:21
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: you just have to get companies to actually use those.. so it would probably have to support windows also03:21
(jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: patches accepted for universe03:22
stuNNedhcker2000, it's in multiverse, afaik03:22
FTTPthoreauputic:  its not a priority or anything so........... :P03:22
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) totem-xine is in universe03:22
mxpxpodactually, totem-xine is in universe03:22
FTTPthoreauputic:  I guess we come to conclusion its not something that can be done03:22
YokoZarjdub: Oh, ok.  So if I were to be updating a package and wanted it to have a menu entry, I should stop reading the debian menu docs and instead look at freedesktop.org?03:22
hcker2000what the url for universe so i can add it to the manage?03:22
stuNNedah my bad, sorry about that03:22
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jonohi all03:22
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(jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: yes :-) look in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop03:23
jonohow stable is hoary on ppc at the moment?03:23
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thoreauputicFTTP: let's face it, apt and synaptic would make most windows users green with envy: no searching the web for download sites, and it works without reboot, and so on...03:23
thoreauputicFTTP: not to mention the thousands of packages available03:24
FTTPthoreauputic oh i agree 100% as they are working on an easier one too03:24
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: in synaptic uncheck it in teh repositories list03:24
eruinbah, all these longhorn videos floating around, none of them showing anything impressive03:24
ograthoreauputic: 14119 currently on my list03:24
FTTPthoreauputic:  But the problem is that you may for whatever reason want to install a commercial application not on that list03:24
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: but they have a clock! in the sidebar! a clock!03:25
hcker2000GammaRay, uncheck universe?03:25
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.03:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: err check it03:25
eruinGammaRay, it's like seeing a black winxp with some useless "connectivity" features03:25
hcker2000GammaRay, there is no universe listed in the package manager list03:25
jonoto upgrade to hoary am I right in thinking that I just change 'warty' references in sources.list to 'hoary' ?03:25
FTTPthoreauputic:  stuff like java, etc..... which is free commercial also.......03:26
(jdub/#ubuntu) jono: yes03:26
jonojdub, cheers03:26
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: prefs menu > repositories03:26
jonoI will see about testing ppc hoary :)03:26
Gnobodyyes jono03:26
FTTPthoreauputic:  i know its against the gpl and all so its not really part of ubuntu03:26
hcker2000GammaRay, thats what im in no listing for it03:26
FTTPwhich is fine03:26
hcker2000remember this is the ppc distro03:26
hcker2000so maby its not in there by defult?03:26
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: umm right03:26
thoreauputicFTTP: depends on your definition of "free" of course03:26
FTTPthoreauputic:  I mean non gpl software03:27
jonoI wonder if X.org will work for ppc03:27
jonoI imagine so03:27
FTTPthoreauputic:  Like sometimes for certain websites you need certain viewers that wont have a gpl alternative03:27
ograjono: why not ?03:27
FTTPif there is gpl thats fine03:27
jonoogra, I mean upgrading to hoary03:27
FTTPi dunno03:27
FTTPi kinda prefer everything to be opensource :)03:27
hcker2000thats why i wondered what the address was for it so i could add it03:27
ograjono: but why should xorg not work :)03:28
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.03:28
FTTPthoreauputic I guess if u want to run commercial distros, redhat or novell would be a better choice for those who need it03:28
FTTPi dunno03:28
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: there seems to be a universe for ppc from looking at hthe servers03:28
jonoogra, when I upgrade to hoary, should it work without any reconfiguration?>03:28
hcker2000where did u see it listed though?03:29
hcker2000is there a page on the ubuntu web site that has the universe info?03:29
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: try adding this line to /etc/apt/sources.list03:29
ograjono: it did on my playground system (i686)03:29
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse03:29
ograjono: i think ppc wont behave different03:29
jonoogra, cool03:30
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: what what I know about apt, it should pick the right folder for ppc03:30
jonoogra, did you just dist-upgrade?03:30
ograjono: changed the repo lines and... yep....03:30
jonoogra, cool03:30
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ograjono: but be aware it may break from time to time.....03:31
ograjono: its in active development03:31
hcker2000there it gose the package manager is geting the universe list and the multiverse list03:31
FTTPjono:  Im waiting for tomorrows hoary snapshot :P03:31
FTTPtodays was bugged03:31
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ograPhr0stByte: tried the water stuff ?03:32
jonoanyone seen ubdate?03:33
ograPhr0stByte: yep, pretty funny.....but everything beyond defaults bursts my old laptop03:33
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(jdub/#ubuntu) jono: apt-get install upgrade-manager03:33
hcker2000when i select totem-xine to be installed it says it has to remove totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop03:33
Phr0stByteogra: would rather have my USB Wacom device working03:33
jonojdub, is it in there?03:33
(jdub/#ubuntu) yes03:33
ograPhr0stByte: doeant it ?03:33
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: sounds fine03:33
jonojdub, I just read about it on a chaps blog, I didnt realise it was coded03:33
(whiprush/#ubuntu) evening everyone.03:34
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ubuntu-desktop is a changelog or something03:34
osiris_22how do you burn iso files in ubuntu?03:34
hcker2000GammaRay, ok and it dosnt return any thing for dvdcss03:34
(whiprush/#ubuntu) osiris_22: right click on the iso, you'll see a menu entry03:34
Phr0stByteogra: havnt seen one work sinse kernel 2.403:34
(whiprush/#ubuntu) jono: your album out yet?03:34
ograPhr0stByte: is it recognized in the device manager ?03:34
osiris_22how do you watch dvds?03:34
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: that's in marillat for me03:34
Phr0stByteogra: Oh, but it is03:34
ograosiris_22 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats03:35
hcker2000so do i just need to add that word to the end of the line u told me to add before?03:35
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: I'm not sure if the same exists for ppc...03:35
ograPhr0stByte: what gives lsmod|grep wacom03:35
hcker2000oh how would i find out?03:35
jonowhiprush, yep, its released now :) you can order it at www.seraphidian.com03:35
(whiprush/#ubuntu) excellent.03:35
Phr0stByteogra: wacom                  12608  003:36
Phr0stByteusbcore               115684  7 wacom,ehci_hcd,usbhid,usb_storage,ohci_hcd03:36
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jonowhiprush, did a great gig on fri, about 100 kids in a small room moshing like mad :)03:36
ograPhr0stByte: hmm, its a X issue....a configuration thing :) but should be doable :)03:36
(whiprush/#ubuntu) heh03:36
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jonothis hardware database planned for hoary sounds interesting, what is the progress of it?03:37
Phr0stByteogra: I put the stylu or mouse onto the pad, and the mouse pointer shoots to the upper right-hand corner and wont come down03:37
zenwheni just hope hoary a) doesnt choke using a 6800 with te nv driver b) actually know what an nvidia 6800 is03:37
ograPhr0stByte: you must define certain things in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file03:38
hcker2000GammaRay, any idea how i could find out if it exists? or is there a way to just compile the dvdcss?03:38
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: this this: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=libdvdcss2&arch%5B%5D=powerpc03:39
PorscheBoyzenwhen, u can get the latest driver from nvidia instead of getting it from ubuntu03:39
zenwhenOh I know.03:39
ograPhr0stByte: man wacom shows all options you can set.....03:39
jeffreybIm new to U... Should I only uncomment universe when I need to install something thats not in the warty repos- then recomment universe? Or can I leave it uncommented always-even during apt-get upgrade?03:39
zenwhenIve been running Ubintu for some time.03:39
Phr0stByteogra: Yeah, tried all that03:39
zenwhenIm just saying for newbies with 6800's it would be nice for them to nit have to deal with that.03:39
thoreauputicjeffreyb: just leave it03:39
nevynjeffreyb: I'd leave it uncommented if you need to install anything from that source.03:39
jomohkeI selected and then deleted 500 small text files in nautilus and it froze up. Eventually it said it was not responding and I had to force the quit. It auto restarted back to normal - at least the text files deleted.03:39
nevynthen it'll get security updates and such03:39
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: that repository seems to have it for ppc03:40
ograPhr0stByte: with the right values ?03:40
FTTPanyone get cds from ubuntu yet? :03:40
FTTPi requested one after the deadline tho03:40
hcker2000GammaRay, ok let me look at that link u gave me03:40
PorscheBoyi just installed the latest driver from nvidia.com and it was kind of easy but i had to go thru a lot to get it to work though03:40
jeffreybOK - thanks03:40
Phr0stByteogra: I will keep working at it, but I have been at it for a couple months on and off03:40
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: also: http://freshmeat.net/projects/libdvdcss/03:41
hcker2000so which do i need to add all the ones that came up on that list?03:41
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) deb http://debian.jones.dk sarge misc would be your best bet03:42
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eruinwoohoo, almost got the ooo1.9 debs off people.debian ;D03:42
PorscheBoyjust go to yahoo.com or google.com and search libdvdcss.tar.gz03:42
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ophiei have a question about setting up and using ad-hoc wireless networks...03:42
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ophieis there an easy way to use a wireless network discovered by "iwlist ath0 scan"03:43
ograPhr0stByte: i had mine working ... also with 2.6 but they are in my storage now...(300km away....) so i cant test them with ubuntu03:43
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hcker2000well when i add the sarge misc one it wont load it ?03:44
ophiei know you can set up profiles in /etc/network/interfaces, but i was looking more for a way to join a wireless network just as i'm running around03:45
Phr0stByteogra: wouldnt happen to have a backup of your XF86Config-4 file would ya?03:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: could you be more specific?03:46
potatoophie, you could grep the iwlist output and join the essid03:46
ograPhr0stByte: the machines are in hannover too ... sorry.... i'll be there on christmas though.....03:46
PorscheBoyanyone knows any good irc apps?03:46
hcker2000just loads the normal ones (all the ones before that one) and then dost seem to even try the other03:47
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ophiepotato, so would i just enter "iwconfig ath0 essid linksys" for example?03:47
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Phr0stByteogra: heh - I couldnt expect ya to remember a thing like that at Christmas time03:47
potatoiwlist wlan0 scanning | grep ESSID03:47
potato                    ESSID:"MJH"03:47
potato                    ESSID:"drosoph"03:47
tyranoumm, whats the default root password :X03:47
ophiepotato, then how would i start the interface?  using "ifup ath0" uses the /etc/network/interfaces file03:47
Agrajagtyrano: there is none.03:47
Agrajagtyrano: use sudo03:48
potatosee, my neighbour still hasn't even bothered to put a mac filter on03:48
ograPhr0stByte: but i will pick them up then i think :)03:48
tyranoi thought sudo asks for the password03:48
tyranoor is that su03:48
potatoiwconfig ath0 essid whateveritis03:48
Agrajagtyrano: yes, it asks for YOUR password.03:48
AgrajagThe one you used to log in03:48
tyranooh i see03:48
ograPhr0stByte: since ubuntu i think having my HW around is a good thing....03:48
tyranoand how do i start gnome o_O03:48
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tyranothere is some init run level i remember03:48
Agrajaguh, it should start when you log in03:48
tyranonah it didnt03:49
PorscheBoyanyone had problems running Unreal Tournament 2004?03:49
ogratyrano: its _your_ password it ass for03:49
eruintyrano, sudo gdm then03:49
Agrajagtyrano: you're at a console, logged in?03:49
tyranono im in windows right now03:49
GmailGotD0t: g0tr00t03:49
tyranobut i was at console03:49
huttantyrano, if you want to use root you can just "sudo passwd root" and set a password for root, then su to it as usual03:49
Agrajagjust startx, or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start03:49
tyranoyeh i tried startx03:49
tyranodidnt work though03:49
Phr0stByteogra: OK - that would be great03:49
GotD0tgmail: give it a rest dude... thats annoying03:49
Agrajagmind telling us what the error was then?03:49
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tyranocouldn't locate startx03:50
tyranoinstall went fine though, no errors03:50
tyranoi dunno ;O03:50
Gmailtyrano: sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:50
Agrajagsudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8603:50
hcker2000GammaRay, any ideas?.03:50
Gmailis this channel so stupid that can't give the answer03:51
GmailAgrajag: i said it first03:51
AgrajagGmail: you misspelled it.03:51
ophiepotato, once i use "iwconfig ath0 essid linksys" for example, how do i start the interface?03:51
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potatoophie, I don't want to tell you non-ubuntu stuff03:51
potatoifconfig ath0 IP up03:51
tyranogonna try it ;O03:52
potatoalso it won't let you muck around with iwconfig if your device is already up03:52
massburning install media now03:52
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well the server *is* up03:52
ograophie: ifup ath003:52
hcker2000GammaRay, u sure that is compatable with ubuntu?03:52
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ophieogra: ifup ath0 uses the config from the /etc/network/interfaces file...not an ad-hoc setting that i provide via "iwconfig"03:53
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ophiepotato: let me try your idea, thanks03:53
potatoophie, better listen to this folks03:53
potatoI don't know ubuntu03:53
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ograophie: you may want to have a look at prismstumbler...to scan for networks03:53
ograophie: true03:53
potatoI just like the artwork :)03:54
ograophie: potato was rigth then....03:54
potatogood ol nmap -sP 192.168.0.* works most of the time03:54
ograpotato: hmm gtk1.....03:54
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potatoand then add the default route to the gateway, and off you go03:55
ograpotato: thinking since a while about a gtk2 nmapfe.....03:55
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ubuntu is largely compatable w/ sarge03:56
ophiepotato: this didn't work... "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid Maicubic ap 00:0C:41:76:9F:6E IP up"03:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: if you can't get that working maybe you should just compile libdvdcss03:56
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potatoophie, don't bother with the ap03:56
ograophie: add an actial IP for IP03:56
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ophiepotato: it gave me the error "Error : unrecognised wireless request "up""03:57
potatoI don't assign IPs with iwconfig03:57
potatoI do that with ifconfig03:57
potatodifferent program03:57
hcker2000GammaRay, ok the only issue with compiling it is iv never compiled any thing before?03:57
potatoiwconfig <- part of wireless tools, for setting wireless settings03:58
potatoifconfig <- for configuring TCPIP related stuff on your network devices03:58
aaroncukhey guys, my system keeps locking up, especially when i open screensaver menu. any ideas?03:58
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rifficaaroncuk: my system locks with gnome03:59
ophiepotato: so the question is, how do you start a wireless network without using "ifup"?03:59
aaroncukno warty03:59
rifficoh =(03:59
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you should install checkinstall so you can create a deb packagefrom the source03:59
potatoeg I use03:59
brdwebspeaking of iwconfig... i just got my system using my linksys wpc54g card tonight using ndiswrapper03:59
riffici'm in hoary and i lock when gnome loads03:59
potatoiwconfig wlan0 essid drosoph03:59
rifficI think it's nautilus doing something nauty03:59
potatoifconfig wlan0 up03:59
rifficno one's been able to figure it out03:59
aaroncuksome one mentioned open gl and reccomended putting on open gl screesaver to see if it locked.. and it does lol03:59
potatoroute add default gw
ophiepotato: do i have to specify an IP?  or can i just use DHCP?04:00
potatoophie, you don't know if that network has a dhcp server04:00
hcker2000GammaRay, alright is checkinstall prity easy to use?04:00
aaroncukas soon as i open the screensaver menu i t freezes04:00
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: cake (-;04:00
ophiepotato: so i should guess an IP address, huh?04:00
potatoophie, it's your choice04:01
potatoI just do an nmap -sP 192.168.0.* or 192.168.1.*04:01
potatoworks most of the time04:01
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you extract the archive, do "./configure --prefix=/usr" then "make" then "sudo checkinstall"04:01
ophiepotato: thanks, let me try this out.  brb04:02
hcker2000GammaRay, sounds easy enough. whats the command to extract the archive agine?04:02
potato^after setting some static IP04:02
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: depends.. a tar.bz2 would be tar xvjf file.tar.bz204:03
hcker2000ok ill get the bz204:03
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you can do that w/ file-roller in nautilus also04:03
hcker2000ill just go with the way u said before that way i dont have to ask any more questions lol04:04
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aaroncukhmm just loaded sessions and it froze too. this aint good!04:05
aaroncukhow can i sell this to a client lol.04:05
potatouhm, you can't ?04:05
aaroncukmore stability out of windows.. heaven forbid04:05
potatoI would only sell a system to a client with a distribution I know well04:05
aaroncuktrue lol.. ive only just started on ubuntu04:06
potatotalked to a truck driver the other day, and he uses linux... heh04:07
potatohe's only got 3 teeth in his mouth04:07
hcker2000GammaRay, one last problem it says it cant find configure04:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it's located in the folder you extracted04:07
hcker2000woops i better get a c comiler too04:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ./configure mearly runs a script file named configure04:08
hcker2000any recomentation04:08
hcker2000it lists gcc base as being installed do i need just the gcc pacakge too?04:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: apt-get install build-essential04:09
hcker2000ok its going04:10
hcker2000.configure still isnt doing any thing?04:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's ./configure04:11
hcker2000./ did try and work last time but it said i had no c compiler04:11
potatoif you type .configure it will look for .configure in your path04:11
genrwhat a hacker you are, can't even run a config04:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) sh configure would work also04:11
potatoif you type ./configure it looks for configure in the dir you're in04:11
hcker2000lol notice how there is no A in my name lol04:12
hcker2000potato, got it thanks for the info04:12
hcker2000ok now how do i install this package i just made?04:14
hcker2000the sudo checkinstall worked ok04:14
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) did it create a deb file in your current dir?04:14
hcker2000.deb file04:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) sudo dpkg -i *.deb should do it04:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure the sudo in sudo checkinstall was really needed04:15
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I was thinking for a sec it would install it for you04:15
hcker2000there i think it worked. now what is the command to totem-xine04:16
hcker2000i tryed just xine04:16
hcker2000and i tryed totem-xine04:16
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) should be just totem04:16
hcker2000oh wiff lol04:16
admin0i need some help to install eclipse on ubuntu04:16
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admin0i need some help to install eclipse on ubuntu for the first time04:17
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hcker2000alright whats the file on the dvd is it that loads it?04:18
hcker2000in totem that is04:18
potatoI think you open the DVD04:18
potatono file04:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: should allow you to play in the file menu04:18
FTTPCanonical, Shuttleworth's OSS development outfit, undertook to distribute the software to early adopters via 340 000 CDs, free of charge, at a personal cost of $10 million. Ubuntu can also be downloaded via global mirror sites.04:18
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it does not need the dvd to be mounted I don't think04:18
potatoiirc it's got some DVD button the control04:19
FTTP10 mil for 340000 cds?04:19
hcker2000well the cd is in but for some reson it loads the dvd drive as a cd-rom04:19
potatoyou might have to tell xine which device is your dvd drive04:19
ograhcker2000: i had this issue with someone else today...for some reason it worked after relogin04:20
hcker2000ok let me try the relogin04:20
ograhcker2000: is libdvdread installed ?04:20
hcker2000if not ill be back04:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: libdvdcss, from source in /usr04:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: w/ checkinstall04:21
ograGammaRay: libdvdread too ? not sure if its needed though....04:21
admin0please for the cause04:21
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: not sure.. but I have it installed04:22
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) that's in universe?04:22
ograadmin0: there were hints and howtos in the mailing lists i think.... not sure if ubuntu-user or -devel ....04:23
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admin0wich mailing list^04:23
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) actually it seems to be in main.. afaik04:23
ograGammaRay: yep04:23
hcker2000GammaRay, well thats a no go04:24
ograadmin0: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel04:24
ograadmin0: they got a gmane interface too....(better search func)04:25
s0cksogra : I can't wait till the penguin release.04:25
FTTPso do you, ubuntu?04:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: do you have libdvdread installed?04:25
ogras0cks: lest first wait for hoary :)04:25
hcker2000GammaRay, good question let me look04:26
hcker2000yep libdvdread304:26
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ograGammaRay: does checkinst adjust the install paths ? or does it install in /usr/local ?04:27
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmmm good point04:28
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) it installs whereever you set the prefix04:28
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: did you do ./configure w/ --prefix=/usr ?04:28
s0cksogra : hoary looks buggy04:28
ograGammaRay: the linker does not know about /usr/local/lib04:28
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hcker2000i did ./configure --prefix=/usr04:29
ogras0cks: hoary is a month old....has 5 to grow.....04:29
s0cksogra : Still looks buggy at the moment.04:29
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: dpkg -L libdvdcss to be sure04:30
s0cksogra : Penguin will probably build on it though, so it is crucial. Could they delay hoary if it sucked?04:30
ogras0cks: but be sure ... its stable if its released04:30
s0cksogra : I just wish that the names could be... less creative.04:30
(jdub/#ubuntu) s0cks: hoary is in 100% hardcore development mode. it's dogfoodable, but not bugfree.04:30
ogras0cks: suggest some new ones....04:31
s0cksWhat did they actually do at the conference? Sit and watch porno or something?04:31
hcker2000not installed it says04:31
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: probably have the name wrong..04:32
s0cksogra : Something like 'Operation Assasin' and 'Operation Brunt Force.04:32
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hcker2000well when it asked me what to name it in the makeinstall i did dvdcss04:32
hcker2000and it says that isnt installed eather04:32
ogras0cks: i think there was a wiki page where you could add suggestions....04:33
s0cksSince there is no Root Account, what can you use to make administrative changes?04:33
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.04:33
Gnobodyplease help04:33
s0cksogra : They are in a rut. They won't do anything new.04:33
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: dpkg -l '*libdvdcss*'04:33
hcker2000no packages found matching04:34
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: dpkg -l '*css*'04:34
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hcker2000no packages found04:34
ogras0cks: but the names are open...and a release every 6 months requires a lot of names :)04:35
s0cksogra : Linky. I am too lazy to go to wikipedia.org.04:35
hcker2000hey i got to go grab some food real quick private message me with any ideas/things to do ok04:36
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ogras0cks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PossibleReleaseNames04:38
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osiris_22does anyone know why i have problems sending files to people on windows even via dcc on xchat04:39
osiris_22like i can send files to anyone using linux04:39
osiris_22but if its someone using windows they cant seem to catch the file04:39
potatoprolly some evil bill bug04:41
orchidhas the problem been copied on the windows system04:41
orchidcan they send something to you04:41
osiris_22umm it says it cant mount my floppy04:41
orchidwhat does 'mount' say04:42
FTTPthis was from a takehome quiz:04:42
FTTPCompare the incentives that both SCO and Mr. Boies have to pursue this litigation under three possible compensation arrangements for Mr. Boies:04:42
FTTPman homework time and boies's name came up04:43
osiris_22it says cant mount something /media/something04:43
orchidfd0 ?04:43
FTTPBased on this analysis, would you expect to see deals like this in the future if a large part of the value of a company is related to intangible litigation assets?04:43
FTTPFIN 423 class04:43
orchidhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3687 maybe of assistance04:44
osiris_22mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified04:44
osiris_22thats what it said04:44
orchidtry, mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy004:45
osiris_22mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist04:45
orchidcheck dmesg maybe if any errors show from boot04:45
orchiddmesg | tail -2004:46
osiris_22it sees both of my cd drives04:46
s0cksogra : My idea is posted04:46
osiris_22i couldnt get it to see my ntfs04:46
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s0cksBut since I am new to editing a wiki, it looks all f#$%ed up04:46
tyranoit worked ;O04:46
tyranoi reinstalled and gnome loaded this time ;O04:47
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osiris_22its annoying04:48
tyranotheres a lot of upnp errors when i first boot up though, should i worry though04:48
osiris_22everything about ubuntu is ok accept that04:48
osiris_22and taht bothers me haha04:48
s0cksfonger ogra04:48
gsonive got a little problem with my hz. cant do more than 87hz in 1024x76804:49
gsonwant 120hz04:49
s0cksgson : that should be enough 8(04:49
gsonnah it isnt04:49
stuNNedgson, don't we all :)04:49
stuNNedgson, would like at least 100hz here as well but at 85hz04:49
s0cksMaking me feel bad. Because I opted for a flat panel moniter, it runs at 75 hz in 1200 by 102404:49
gsonneed 120hz because r_Displayrefresh 120 in q304:49
gsonpro gamer hihi04:49
stuNNedgson, lol04:49
gsonyepp its mega lol04:50
osiris_22oh well most computers dont even come with floppys anymore04:50
gsondo you guys know the prob?04:50
osiris_22i dont need it04:50
osiris_22do i guys?04:50
tyranoi never use one :/04:50
tyranocds are cheaper than floppies ;O04:50
osiris_22i wanna use one to send a screen shot but its not big deal and im afraid to burn cds because of this error i read aobut lol04:50
osiris_22and i dont even know if it sees my dvdrw/cdrw as a burner lmao04:51
s0cksPlay CS04:51
s0cksit is happy with 7504:51
gsonq3 only.04:52
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s0cksTFC DOD > Q3 (I used to play Q3A04:52
gsonnice nice04:53
gson3wcctf q3ospctfs04:53
gson3wospctf also. but its to easy04:53
jonohere I go, hoary packages are installing now, eek!04:55
s0cksHoary has a tendency to eat up information and stuff.04:55
potatotis hungry, hey ?04:56
jonois beagle packaged for hoary?04:56
s0cksThat guy that started the ubuntu petition isn't back yet, is he?04:57
masshoary beagle?04:57
wm_eddieIf beagle is in hoary, I'm switching right now.04:57
tyranowhats beagle04:57
jonoubuntu petition?04:57
jonobeagle is a smart searching tool04:58
massis hoary in beagle?04:58
mass(I keep thinking hoary hoary hippos)04:58
s0ckshoary hedgehog?04:58
s0cksExplain that one.04:59
tyranowait so...there is no root in ubuntu?04:59
wm_eddietyrano: nope.04:59
Agrajagtyrano: sure there is04:59
wm_eddieuse sudo04:59
Agrajagwm_eddie: yes, the root account still exists04:59
massahh, no root account?04:59
hcker2000any one seen GammaRay?04:59
Agrajagsudo su -04:59
masssorry, no root account login? :)04:59
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Agrajagmass: no password.04:59
tyranook, but it has no password04:59
jonowhat is the ubuntu petition?05:00
massfor a while, I just couldn't get around that05:00
massnow I just love it05:00
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tyranoso if my system gets compromised, the attacker could run stuff as root though right?05:00
potatosounds like a great way to make linux insecure05:00
tyranosince there is only one account now to go after?05:00
s0ckstyrano : They could go into sudo05:01
massnow if you could go to a capabilities and authentication service model and get rid of the root account altogether.. :)05:01
tyranothat doesnt sound good though :|05:01
Agrajagtyrano: only if they got your password05:01
s0ckstyrano : odds are, your system wont be compromised by an ubuntu wiz.05:01
tyranobut im not root right now though right?05:01
potatoif they hack some app you're using they don't need your password05:01
tyranoi dont have admin priveleges?05:01
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Agrajagpotato: whta05:02
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Agrajagpotato: even if they got HIS priveleges and opened a shell, they'd need his password to run sudo.05:02
massis there actually plans in the future to allow /boot or the root to be done via software raid?05:02
Agrajagunless he used nopass in /etc/sudoers, which is retarded.05:02
s0cksWhen users have to come in here and say 'how do I install a graphics card', your system is safe!05:02
massit took me a while to configure my system because I didn't realize the root requirement was there :)05:02
potatothey could change his password05:03
Agrajagpotato: could they?05:03
AgrajagYou have to enter your current password to do that.05:03
masspotato: you have to know the original password to change a user's password05:03
massunless you are root05:03
wm_eddieWhen I first installed Ubuntu, I created a root account in Single-user mode thinking it was a bug... :)05:03
potatoare there any protections about brute forcing it ?05:03
masswhich requires the user's password with sudo ;-)05:03
s0ckspotato : 'they' could launch his hard drive out of a potato launcher if 'they' wanted to.05:03
wm_eddieor rather, gave the root account a password05:03
Agrajagpotato: well no05:03
Agrajagwait, maybe05:04
masshow is the shadow file accessed? I thought they had to go through pam05:04
tyranoso there is a root account, but it has no password, but the account is disabled?05:04
masswhich throttled attempts05:04
Agrajagif you fail too many times with sudo, you might get locked out. You can set that, I don't know if ubuntu has that set05:04
wm_eddieoh and a word of warning, DO NOT launch firefox under sudo! It'll erase your bookmarks!05:04
FTTPwho was i discussing the sco lawsuit with last time?05:04
Agrajagmass: I believe they do.05:04
masstyrano: it has password disabled, the account itself (user with uid 0) still exists05:04
FTTPif ur here, join #ubuntu-offtopic05:04
ogratyrano: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo05:04
tyranothis is very strange05:04
wm_eddietyrano: If you don't like it do sudo su and run passwd...05:05
wm_eddieor sudo passwd...05:05
masswm_eddie: for a long time, distributions shipped netscape navigator 4.x versions with a script in front which would refuse to start the browser if you were root05:05
tyranoi didnt say i didnt like it, its just strange05:05
jonotyrano, it is odd, I found it weird at furst too05:05
massI hate passwords of '*'05:05
massI change mine to ''05:05
Agrajagwhy do you hate '*'?05:06
wm_eddiemass: The thing is I ran the firefox 1.0 installer and did a systemwide install and on the last page it has a Launch browser now checkmark....05:06
AgrajagYou know why it's *, right?05:06
hcker2000the **** remoinds you of windows to much right05:06
massAgarajag: I figured it wasn't special cased; it just had to be under a certain # of characters05:06
massso that you could not consider the value seed+hash05:06
Agrajagmass: no password will ever has to anything containing a *05:06
wm_eddieAnd I lost all my bookmarks next time I ran it.  Imagine how surprised I was.05:06
massthat too :)05:07
massbut even if I changed it to xxxxxxxx, it still wouldn't go through I would imagine05:07
massbeccause you can't hash something to seven x's :)05:07
Agrajagso if you want to temporarily disable an account, you can just put a * at the beginning or end of their hash in /etc/shadow05:07
wm_eddiemaybe I should submit that as a bug report to the installer folks...05:07
Agrajagmass: you can't?05:07
Agrajagwell, I suppose not05:07
masshashes are always to a fixed length05:08
massstars are better ;-)05:08
Agrajaganyway, that's why it's *05:08
massblanks aren't05:08
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massPorscheBoy: file not found05:09
massone time someone was sending admin commands to me on irc, thinking I was his bot05:09
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masshe sent me his password in a dcc chat05:09
PorscheBoyanyone in here knows alot about bitchX?05:09
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass: lol05:09
massand I responded 'Invalid Password, Try again'05:09
massso he sent it to me again!05:10
mass'Password Valid this Thime.'05:10
massI think the smiley pissed him off05:10
PorscheBoymass: lol...ur a funny dude, huh?05:10
GnobodyI need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.05:10
Gnobodyplease help05:10
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) what does := mean in the deb rules file?05:11
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PorscheBoyanyway, anybody in here using bitchX?05:11
ogranight guys...05:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) mass: I have also seen +=05:12
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moonArrgggg!!! I'm frustrated and need some help... Examining dmesg I can tell that my dvd drive is being detected on hdd but /dev/hdd is missing. Does anyone have any experience with this?05:12
ljlaneGammaRay: debian/riles is typicaly a makefile. See the documentation for GNU make.05:12
massGammaRay: that usually means append to or add to; a += 1 for ints means a <- a + 105:13
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massfor strings it usually means a = a.append("1")05:13
masserr, <- whatever05:13
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tyranowhere is the kernel source?05:19
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tyranooh it doesnt get instaleld?05:21
pinkeelook in /usr/src05:22
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pinkeejust a guess05:23
ophiehey potato: so i've been trying the following, using "iwconfig ath0 essid BenQ", then "ifconfig ath0 up"05:24
tyranoim supposed to find a /build directory :/05:24
ophiepotato: then using "nmap -sP 192.168.0.*" only yields my own IP address being up...05:24
ophiepotato: but i'm still having trouble getting it to work.  i see that i am getting a signal % in the gnome wireless applet, but can't get an IP or connection05:25
pinkeetyrano: it's installed from a .deb so there is no source per se.05:26
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jonohi all05:27
tyranooh i see...so i cant install this utility then :X05:27
pinkeewhy do you need the build?05:27
jonohow can I see if I am running X.org?05:27
tyranoto install acpi4asus ;O05:27
tyranoIf your kernel tree is not in /lib/modules/<kernel_version_you_use>/build05:27
tyranoetc :X05:27
pinkeetyrano: you could get crazy and compile your own kernel05:27
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pinkee23:27 < jono> how can I see if I am running X.org?05:28
pinkeemouse error05:28
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magnetoanyone setup bootsplash?05:29
FTTPI ubuntu, do you?05:29
FTTPnew slogan05:30
Agrajagdo U buntu?05:30
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FTTPagrajag thats better :P05:31
FTTPok we agree05:31
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huttanhow do i remove a package that hasnt been installed yet using dpkg? i can see it in list but not remove it05:31
FTTPagrajag:  im gonna see if there were new development snapshot for hoary :)05:31
Agrajagoh goody05:31
AgrajagI'm sticking to warty05:31
FTTPprolly tomorrow05:31
pinkeehuttan: dpkg --purge foo05:31
AgrajagI ran gentoo for too long, I'm sick of bleeding-edge whatevers that break all the time05:32
huttanpinkee, tried...gets same complaint05:32
pinkeewhat error?05:32
FTTPagrajag:  I tried novell linux 9......... has some nicities but needs ALOT of work05:32
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Agrajagyes, such as a free release05:32
FTTPagrajag:  lol05:32
FTTPit is free05:32
Agrajagoh, is it?05:32
FTTPwith 30 month updates05:32
FTTPerr 30 day05:32
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FTTPevaluation version05:33
AgrajagI thought they were charging05:33
FTTP30 day updates, after that u pay05:33
FTTPfor the updates yeah05:33
FTTPubuntu needs usplash :)05:33
FTTPand graphical debian install05:33
xoxoxoas far as i understand, ubuntu has no concept of "stable/testing/unstable" as the original debian, rite?05:33
FTTPand some new autodetection tools05:33
FTTPwell i can go on05:34
FTTPbut they are being added for hoary or the next one05:34
Xenguyxoxoxo: it's a snapshot of Debian/sid AFAIK, modified somewhat05:34
FTTPxoxoxo:  Yes they do05:34
Agrajagxoxoxo: Warty is stable05:34
FTTPxoxoxo:  testing = developmental05:34
AgrajagHoary is dev/testing05:34
huttanpinkee, it ignores it since it hasnt been installed05:34
FTTPunstable uhmmm05:35
FTTPnot sure on unstable05:35
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pinkeehuttan: dpkg -L foo05:35
FTTPunstable = sounder-test?05:35
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huttansays it's not installed05:35
pinkeei'm confused05:36
FTTPno thats warty05:36
FTTPtest release of warty05:36
huttanbut when i try to install the other package i want using dpkg it complains about this one05:36
pinkeeuse apt?05:36
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jonojust rebooted - all is good with hoary :)05:36
fabbionemorning guys05:36
pinkeeuse a apt-get -f install05:36
huttanpinkee, there's gotta be someway to remove it from my dpkg list05:36
fabbioneFTTP: hi... i marked the bug invalid again :-)05:37
pinkeethen dpkg -r foo it05:37
fabbioneFTTP: i guess the answer from the vendor is clear enough :-)05:37
FTTPfabbione:  there is no problem with the monitor05:37
FTTPfabbione:  But i posted it to show the resolutions it supports05:37
huttanpinkee, gets same error05:37
jonois x.org is hoary by default?05:37
FTTPfabbione:  its the hardware detection mechanism :P05:37
fabbioneFTTP: than i don't understand the answer from the vendor05:38
huttanpinkee, it's fglrx-control05:38
fabbionejono: yes05:38
huttanpinkee, got the right package installed using force tho05:38
pinkeeok what package are you trying to install?05:38
fabbioneFTTP: well the DDC information it returns you mean05:38
jonofabbione, is there a command I can run to verify this?05:38
FTTPfabbione:  im not sure, your the expert :P05:38
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huttanpinkee, ever used fglrx-control?05:38
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pinkeehuttan: nope. what is it?05:39
fabbionejono: see if /vat/log/Xorg.0.log exists05:39
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pinkeehi kwoo :)05:39
huttanpinkee, supposed to be a program to configure my ati graphics card05:39
FTTPfabbione:  you saw the files tho right?05:39
kwooHello, pinkee.05:39
jonofabbione, it doesnt05:39
huttanpinkee, beats me how i gonna do it when it doesnt install any executeable or anything tho :)05:39
FTTPfabbione:  It saw it detected the correct general values but didnt detect the better refresh rates05:40
pinkeeis it a module?05:40
FTTPfabbione thats my observation05:40
fabbionejono: did you upgrade from warty?05:40
fabbioneFTTP: hold on05:40
jonofabbione, yes - I amon PPC05:40
FTTPfabbione:  I just saw the line where it had the total res...... which were correct05:40
huttanpinkee, nope05:40
fabbionejono: you need to do edit your /etc/apt/sources.list05:40
fabbionejono: and change warty yo hoary05:40
fabbionejono: apt-get update05:41
fabbionejono: apt-get dist-upgrade05:41
xoxoxoFTTP: i asked about stable/unstable/testing since looking at /etc/apt/sources.list, there is no such "branch"?05:41
jonofabbione, I did, I dist-upgraded05:41
fabbionejono: and be sure to have ubuntu-desktop installed05:41
pinkeehuttan: so you installed this pkg, and does it have a man page?05:41
huttanhmm, interesting05:41
FTTPfabbione:  Novell desktop 9 did a better at refresh rates05:41
fabbioneFTTP: ok.. hold on a few secs05:41
huttannope, not for that name atleast05:41
huttananyone had any experience with fglrx-control?05:41
jonoahhh ubuntu-desktop was not installed05:41
fabbione(II) NVIDIA(0): Generic Monitor: Using hsync range of 31.00-107.00 kHz05:42
fabbione(II) NVIDIA(0): Generic Monitor: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-160.00 Hz05:42
pinkeerun updatedb then locate for that pkg name and i bet you find docs05:42
FTTPfabbione:  Right those were correct05:42
fabbioneFTTP: this is what it is detected by the driver05:42
FTTPfabbione:  Yep.....05:42
huttanpinkee, i do...but only a copyright one is there05:42
fabbione(**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "1600x1200": 229.5 MHz, 106.2 kHz, 85.0 Hz05:42
fabbioneFTTP: this looks ok to me05:42
FTTPfabbione:  What was it for 1024x768?05:43
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pinkeegoogle would be my next step05:43
huttanalready on it :)05:43
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fabbioneFTTP: it has 3 matches.. the top at 85Hz05:44
FTTPfabbione:  my top is over 10005:44
FTTPfabbione top figures were in the one that hitachi gave me05:44
fabbione        Identifier      "Generic Monitor"05:44
fabbione        HorizSync       31-10705:44
fabbione        VertRefresh     50-16005:44
fabbionethis is correct05:44
fabbioneFTTP: it might be a driver bug05:44
huttanNote: You might want to install the fglrx-control package, which provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as dual-head display (two monitors)05:45
FTTPfabbione:  yup the outline is correct05:45
FTTPfabbione:  I dont understand why it put 85 on the others05:45
huttansupposed to be something graphical, so i should really be able to run it05:45
FTTPfabbione:   which package detected the rates?05:46
FTTPwas that part of xfree?05:46
fabbioneFTTP: the problem here is not xresprobe05:46
fabbioneFTTP: because that one detects the monitor properly05:46
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FTTPhow can you tell?05:46
FTTPfabbione so which app puts the rates in ?05:46
fabbioneFTTP: i can tell according to what you wrote05:46
fabbioneFTTP: that's the driver that decide the best combinations of resolutions/refresh rates05:47
FTTPfabbione:  I mean which app does the lines which has 85mhz ?05:47
FTTPahhh ok05:47
fabbionethe X server05:47
FTTPso thats the nvidia driver?05:47
FTTPor is it the Xfree86?05:47
fabbionethe nvidia driver05:48
fabbionewell X loads the driver and trust it05:48
FTTPyeah i think its the X05:48
fabbioneX doesn't know anything about monitors05:48
fabbionethe driver does05:48
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fabbioneFTTP: on the otherside05:48
FTTPfabbione cause with novell linux 9 which i tried, it didnt detect it right either but then i selected the monitor from a list05:48
FTTPand it worked05:48
fabbionethe X server provides a list of known refresh rates to the driver05:48
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FTTPall the OS's dont detect it correctly for some reason :P05:49
FTTPmaybe ill try a different video card05:49
fabbioneFTTP: no you should try to find out the modelines05:49
FTTPjust to see if it does anything05:49
FTTPfabbione:  Well yeah for my own use not a problem05:50
xoxoxoanybody knows how to upgrade my Firefox to the latest (1.0) version using apt-get?05:50
xoxoxomy default Firefox is still 0.9.2 ;(05:50
xoxoxoapt-get install mozilla-firefox reports "you have the newest version already" :-(05:51
FTTPfabbione:  if its nvidia driver then thats not due to opensource05:51
FTTPthe nvidia glx driver is closed source right?05:51
FTTPok close out the bug :)05:51
fabbioneFTTP: correct05:52
fabbionethe nvidia is binary only05:52
FTTPfabbione ill contact nvidia05:52
fabbionebut don't expect that the nv driver will work any better05:52
FTTPfor the heck of it05:52
fabbioneit's the 2d part of the driver, done by the same people05:52
fabbioneand the code is REALLY obscure05:52
fabbionebut yes, you can contact them05:53
FTTPfabbione:  Easiest way is to have a monitor selection in gnome05:53
fabbioneor wait for daniels to upload the new x.org release05:53
FTTPor to see if x.org fixes it yeah05:53
fabbioneFTTP: the monitor selection you see around in other distro is useless05:53
fabbioneit's a database built on top of collecting tons of ddc probe05:54
FTTPahh i see05:54
fabbioneand you will get the same results as now05:54
fabbioneno more no less05:54
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flamesrockhas anybody got their cd's yet?05:54
fabbioneFTTP: when we designed the autodetection we did look at everything available05:54
fabbioneincluding this monitor selection database05:55
hcker2000any one know why i would be geting Error: could not create mount point: File exists after i pumount /dev/cdrom and then did pmount /dev/cdrom ?05:55
FTTPfabbione:  yeah thats something the team at large should decide as to which is best05:55
fabbioneand while i was integrating it, i suddenly realize that it was crack05:55
fabbionespecially when xresprobe was returning the same faulty values for my monitor, exactly like in the db05:55
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fabbionepoking around i found out that it was built from people sending ddc info to the people managing this db05:56
fabbione-> Trash05:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: is there anything regarding /dev/cdrom in /etc/mtab?05:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) does the mount cmd say it's mounted?05:57
FTTPfabbione:  how about a built in tool like some of those websites which figure out modprobes :P05:57
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FTTPfabbione i guess it prolly is the driver tho05:57
fabbioneFTTP: that might be an idea.. please discuss it on ubuntu-devel mailing list05:58
fabbionebut also add references on where to find these tools05:58
fabbioneand bug daniels for get it working :-)05:58
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FTTPfabbione:  i can just go to a website and enter in my figures and it figures out the modlines05:59
FTTPbut then isnt that what the hardware detection does?05:59
fabbioneFTTP: yes.. but we need the source code :-)05:59
FTTPor as u said, its part due to the driver?05:59
fabbioneno, i said that X pass some modelines to the driver05:59
fabbioneand the driver finds the match05:59
fabbioneX has a well known list of modelines06:00
fabbione"known" as in "known to be": a) working, b) safe06:00
FTTPyes my monitor works fine06:00
FTTPjust doesnt detect higher rates06:00
FTTPwhich can be manually added06:00
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Parientehi u all06:01
FTTPim not in disagreement since there is no way to change refresh rates on the fly right?06:01
FTTPerr i mean it has to detect the modline06:01
FTTPin order to use that rate06:01
hcker2000GammaRay, sory had to run and do some thing let me see about mtab06:01
hcker2000GammaRay, actualy what exatly do u want me to do with /etc/mtab?06:02
FTTPfabbione:  Ill wait for the x.org and see how that goes06:03
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(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) KNEEL BEFORE XORG!06:04
xoxoxoFTTP: do you know how to install the latest firefox with apt-get ?06:04
tyranothis might be a dumb question, but how do you install rpms :X06:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: see if /dev/whatever is in it06:04
FTTPxoxoxo:  www.firefox.com06:05
FTTPerr mozilla.org06:05
hcker2000just with ls? or do need to open it with a file editor?06:05
FTTPxoxoxo:  Im not sure if its on there, search universe for  it06:05
FTTPif not theres always mozilla.org06:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: use: less /etc/mtab06:05
xoxoxoFTTP: i enable universe, but there is no new version06:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: q to quit06:05
hcker2000/dev/hda3 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 006:05
hcker2000proc /proc proc rw 0 006:05
hcker2000sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 006:05
hcker2000devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 006:05
hcker2000tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 006:05
hcker2000usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 006:05
Parientecan some one give me a URL where they can explain me how to accelerate my hardware 3D with an intel 815 board06:06
hcker2000wops sory forgot this is the channel window06:06
FTTPxoxoxo then mozilla.org06:06
xoxoxoFTTP: so there is no "testing" or "unstable" as debian?06:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well it's not mounted according to that06:06
xoxoxoFTTP: yes i will try that, but prefer using apt-get06:06
FTTPxoxoxo:  http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox&os=linux&lang=en-US06:06
hcker2000GammaRay, so do i need to do mount /dev/cdrom06:07
osiris_22is there any new updates for gaim?06:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: pmount /dev/cdrom06:07
s0cksDon't wanna wait till you know me better06:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: actually.. why don't you try to play the dvd the hack of it, before you do that06:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it does not need to be mounted to play06:08
hcker2000i tryed didnt get any thing and this is the error Error: could not create mount point: File exists06:08
tyranois there a ubuntu manual06:08
osiris_22when i try to send files on fucken gaim it crashes.. and i cant get files to go threw on amsn06:08
osiris_22nor xchat06:08
tyranojust the wiki?06:08
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LinuxJonesosiris_22, it's probably crashing cause Microsoft only wants msn-msn file transfers06:11
xoxoxoanybody uses ieee1394 with ubuntu? it doesnt work for me. unlike my usbkey, ubuntu does nothing when i plugged my external hdd to the machine. any idea on this ?06:11
osiris_22it does it when i try to send over the aim part of gaim too06:11
zenwhenhave you upgraded gaim?06:12
zenwhenare you running hoary?06:12
osiris_22no im using the game that came on warty06:12
osiris_22or how ever its spelled06:12
zenwhenupaen synaptic and see if theres a newer one.06:12
hcker2000any one got any ideas on geting the dvd out of here?06:13
osiris_22i did there isnt lol06:13
zenwhen1.0.3 has been sweet about not crashing during transfers06:13
osiris_22i was working and letting me send files for a wile06:13
osiris_22then it started crashen06:13
zenwhenIts always been a bit buggy.06:13
osiris_22so i tried restarting06:13
osiris_22and it still does it everytime06:13
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xoxoxoFTTP: technically what makes .deb from debian repository not compatible with ubuntu?06:17
hcker2000darn i was realy hoping this was the last ppc distro i would have to try06:18
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: maybe you could restart )-:06:18
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jonoI am having problems with X.org - my display is really wavy06:20
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hcker2000GammaRay, yea ill give that a try and see if i can get it to eject before i get into linux06:20
hcker2000ill brb06:20
tyranodo i use alien or rpm to install an rpm ;O06:20
jonoits strange - it doesnt look like the refresh rate is wrong, it just looks like there is a problem rendering the X display06:20
FTTPjono:  hmmm06:20
jonoany idea?06:20
calci've seen xfree do weird things before, but only when i told it to do weird thigns06:21
calcer things06:21
jonothis is x.org though06:22
calchaven't used x.org much06:22
jonohow different is xorg.conf to XF86Config-4?06:22
(jdub/#ubuntu) xoxoxo: the ubuntu repositories are frozen and built against themselves, not against any of the debian repositories.06:22
(jdub/#ubuntu) xoxoxo: think of each ubuntu release as you would a debian release -> woody is not06:22
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(jdub/#ubuntu) 'compatible' with sarge's repository, etc.06:22
jonois there anything I can do to take my current xfree86 file and make it compatible with x.org?06:23
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pinkeethat is not technically true06:23
jonoits weird though, as it does look like the x display is corrupted06:23
zenwheni can attest that installing things from debian repos wont kill your system instantly though06:23
zenwhenThought it could06:24
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Tsjoklathey zenwhen06:26
zenwhenHey there Tsjoklat.06:26
zenwhenHow are you tonight? I saw that you sided with me on the forums.06:27
Tsjoklatyeah I did zen :P06:27
zenwhenI figured someone would ask eventually.06:28
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zenwhenSo I decided to ask and make it fair and not completely loaded towards KDE.06:28
Tsjoklatyou did good zenwhen06:28
hcker2000ok im back got a new error in totem this time06:29
zenwhenThe results look good so far.06:29
zenwhenPretty much exactly what I wanted, until some KDE board gets a hold of it. :P06:29
hcker2000GammaRay, Failed to play Audio/Video Disc06:31
hcker2000Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom006:31
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well that's something...06:35
hcker2000yea butter than no error06:35
hcker2000and the eject button is working now06:35
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hcker2000so i guess i should try pmount /dev/cdrom ?06:37
hcker2000oh look our friendly error is back Failed to play Audio/Video Disc06:38
hcker2000Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom006:38
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you might check what totem is configured to use as a device06:38
hcker2000doh thats not it one sec06:38
hcker2000root@mac:/home/hcker2000 # pmount /dev/cdrom06:38
hcker2000Error: could not create mount point: File exists06:38
hcker2000thats the pmount error06:38
hcker2000i just fing fixed it06:43
hcker2000touch /media/cdrom006:43
hcker2000mount /dev/cdrom06:43
hcker2000boom playing06:43
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm very odd06:44
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) do you mean pmount?06:44
hcker2000nope i meen mount06:44
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natexanyone get webmin working?06:47
hcker2000no idea why it works though06:47
ChibiArgh. I lost the page with the ubuntu palletes. :/06:47
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tyrano_anyone know why ubuntu would have just locked up06:48
tyrano_could it be because of acpi?06:48
(crimsun/#ubuntu) possibly, but that's not the cause usually06:49
(crimsun/#ubuntu) unless you're using a really early 2.6 kernel06:49
tyrano_i think im using 2.6.806:50
hcker2000it dose weird things with the mouse though when its playing06:50
(crimsun/#ubuntu) usually it's poorly-coded drivers or faulty hardware06:50
tyrano_it just went unresponsive so i had to hard reboot :/06:50
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LucidVisionsquick question, is the linux kernel written in c?06:51
(crimsun/#ubuntu) a few sections in asm06:52
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PorscheB1yanyone is using xchat?06:52
(crimsun/#ubuntu) but those are small sections06:52
LucidVisionsAgrajag: cool,thanks06:52
farruinnPorscheB1y, currently06:52
LucidVisionsI wasnt sure06:52
PorscheB1yfarruinn, can i have ur conf file?06:52
farruinnyours broken or something?06:53
PorscheB1yfarruinn, yah06:53
farruinnhave you tried just deleting .xchat2?06:54
farruinnor dpkg-reconfigure xchat?06:54
PorscheB1yit something06:54
hcker2000so i think as soon as this iso gets done im going to give mandrake 10.1 a shot06:54
PorscheB1ynever thought of that06:54
farruinndpkg-reconfigure - valuable command =)06:54
PorscheB1ythnx, ok i gotta do that now06:57
Chibihttp://studiochibico.com/xfce/ubgirl.png quick little doodle D:06:58
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sherpai have an nvidia card, and i am using kernel 2.6.9, i got the new nvidia driver that is supposed to support it, but on startup "modprobe nvidia" does not seem to happen and X fails to load, anyone know where to put "modprobe nvidia" so it will load automatically?07:00
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fabbionesherpa: /etc/modules07:01
fabbionebut the new drivers are borked07:01
fabbionei wouldn't use them07:01
fabbionethat's why we didn't upload them to the archive yet07:01
(crimsun/#ubuntu) christian posted a patch fixing the memory allocation07:01
fabbioneafaik there are some AGP problems07:01
sherpao, really07:01
sherpawell, then...07:01
fabbionecrimsun: i heard (that means that i can't be sure) that it is only a partial fix and it doesn't really work as expected07:02
(crimsun/#ubuntu) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=47780207:02
(crimsun/#ubuntu) unfortunately :/07:02
ChibiNo comment? :/07:02
sherpaim using the driver now and it seems to work...07:03
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sherpathanks fabbione!07:05
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s0cksfrom the chronographs-and-tickers dept.07:07
s0cksstevelinton writes "The UK National Physical Laboratory has a new atomic clock potentially 1000 times more accurate than current cesium clocks: to within 1 second in about 30 billion years! This could lead quite soon to a new definition of the second, and in a while to improved resolution in GPS successor systems. More interestingly, there are theories that some of the universe's fundamental dimensionless constants may have changed by a parts in07:07
s0cks a million over the last 10 billion years or so. These clocks are so accurate that they should be able to detect these changes over a year or two."07:07
farruinnhmm, I wonder how their accuracy was measured07:09
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massnice :D07:12
masshow do I reconfigure a software raid after drives switch letters?07:13
pepsi_is there a better pdf viewer?07:15
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pepsi_thats dumb07:19
massits an inaccurate one :)07:19
massso does anyone know? I can figure out how to assemble and mount my drive manually, but I don't know how to change the status information used at startup time07:20
massthat appears to be attached to the partitions07:20
pepsi_i dunno07:20
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Karnaughthe mirror died07:24
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LucidVisionsanyhow,back to the show..i went on a tangent i suppose07:33
pepsi_how can i make java work?07:33
pepsi_in web pages07:33
mojo can someone tell me how to enable the MPEG4 codec of RealPlayer 10 without recompiling?07:33
Austronis anyone programming C++ in ubuntu?07:35
hbillomojo, use synaptic to install the codecs07:36
pepsi_Austron: why?07:36
hbilloyou to add the "universe" entry to your apt sources07:36
Austronbecause i would like to ask what ide he uses and ask for some programming basics like api usage and stuff07:37
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I installed gaim's source via apt-get source gaim. When I run dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot how do I prevent it from being striped?07:39
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) stripped07:39
LucidVisionsAustron: I use anjuta for my c ++ programming07:40
LucidVisionsits a good IDE07:40
Austronok can you tell me what replaces the windows API in linux? i heard the gdi functions are in the gtk kit, but what about the system apis?07:41
KarnaughAustron: well there are different gui api's, WX, tk, gtk gnome and kde have their own etc.07:44
LucidVisionsto my knowlege nothing "replaces" the windows API's.Are you trying to create gui apps...ie...gtk+,WX..etc?07:45
Karnaughas far as system api's i dont know what you mean, the programming language its self is generaly the os api :P07:45
Austronand the system apis? like gettime or getcurdir (currentdir) something like that07:45
LucidVisionsyep,,Karnaugh is correct07:45
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KarnaughAustron: thats part of the language's standard libraries07:46
Karnaughstdio, or os in python07:46
Karnaugh(stdio was just an example, there are many others in c)07:46
Austronhmm.. so no system apis07:46
pepsi_Austron: have you installed manpages-dev?07:47
Austronim not on linux atm, but i guess not :)07:48
Karnaughi see you're talking about C++07:48
Karnaughwhat are you coming from exactly? VC++?07:48
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Austronyes c++ and one nice ide (devcpp vc) was my windows home07:49
Vince-0Yo Yo07:49
Karnaughdevcpp? with MinGW?07:49
FTTPu notice how all the distros with bucks are sponsoring gnome?07:50
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KarnaughFTTP: i guess they need lots of money to fix their horible gui07:50
FTTPubuntu/debian, redhat, sun07:51
FTTPand novell07:51
FTTPkarnaugh:  You dont like ubuntus gnome?07:51
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: don't make me bitch slap you07:51
FTTPyou like KDE?07:51
FTTPyeah me too07:52
FTTPgnome rules07:52
FTTPsome distros sponsor both but07:52
FTTPkde has mostly the little guys07:52
FTTPlinux needs deep pockets07:52
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) bah :-P07:53
FTTPneeds full time programmers07:53
farruinnI think that kde is probably a more welcoming environment for someone coming from windows07:53
FTTPfarruinn:  Its more childish07:53
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) farruinn: on surface that is true07:53
FTTPfarruinn:  No.... look at suns gnome07:53
FTTPsuns gnome looks like windows07:53
Austronthe most important thing above all for linux is an excellent documentation and ide for development. because i think thats what scares mayn potential willing programmers07:54
FTTPauston yeah i guess07:54
farruinnWhat do you mean?  vim is the ultimate ide ;-)07:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm a potential willing programmers.. and you'll find me on the cmd line thank you very much :-P07:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) tisk tisk.. it's all about jed :-P07:55
farruinnToo many people underestimate the power of cli - the keyboard is a much more efficient input device than the mouse in many respects07:55
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Karnaughuse a real WM, like Fluxbox07:55
Karnaughnot a windows rip off07:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: and you think gnome is a windows rip-off?07:56
FTTPthe truth about linux is that all the highly advanced stuff was developed by corporations like at&t or stuff like berkley07:56
KarnaughGammaRay: absolutly07:56
FTTPlinux cant develop anything advanced07:56
farruinnI don't think gnome attempts to simluate windows at all07:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: I think the question remaining is.. have you ever actuyally used gnome?07:56
KarnaughGammaRay: yes, I've used almost every WM there is07:57
maskieFTTP, you right since Linux is only a kernel in any case so it is not suppose to develop :)07:57
genrkarnaugh, stop trolling07:57
farruinnTechnically, isn't metacity the WM?07:57
Karnaughfvwm, windowmaker, gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox.. probably in that order07:57
FTTPmaskie:  No i mean stuff like enterprise class features07:57
FTTPmaskie:  multiple cpu usage, and all the frills07:58
Karnaughgenr: I'm not trolling, I'm stating my oppinion. KDE and Gnome suck07:58
genrit's how flame wars start, stop07:58
FTTPalot of the stuff was given to linux, it wasnt created by the linux developers07:58
Karnaughgenr: GammaRay's doing the flaming07:58
maskieFTTP, there is good support for SMP in the kernel .. in 2.6 at least07:58
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: uh huh07:58
FTTPmaskie:  And ibm donated that code :P07:59
FTTPmaskie:  i think.... not sure07:59
FTTPthey donated a ton of enterprise class feature stuff tho07:59
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: all the code in linux was donated07:59
maskieFTTP, yes and is'nt that the way open source and commuinity work is suppose to work ... those that have the skill contribute08:00
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: well I happen to think fluxbox sucks.. icewm is much better (and faster)08:00
Karnaughmaskie: and who pays them for all the testing equipment required to develop something like high end RAID drivers etc08:00
FTTPgammaray:  no i mean by people who had stuff that wasnt licensed under gpl initially08:00
FTTPsure linus did alot of work and stuff , but alot of it was just hobbyist grade stuff08:01
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: before 2.6 they has perfectly fine if flawed SMP support08:01
maskieKarnaugh, that is why we also need big guys with deep pockets to contribute ...08:01
FTTPgammaray:  without commercial companies donating, linux would be nothing08:02
FTTPi mean linux would just be a hobbyist os08:02
FTTPvery small in nature08:02
Karnaughmaskie: exactly, or guys that work for IBM etc and have some free time to donate code that they were able to develop with their big pockets08:03
farruinnFTTP, I don't think I really get your point.  Is there something wrong with that?08:03
Karnaughbrb, stupid apache has hung again08:03
FTTPfarruinn what im saying is i wish we had more commercial os competition08:03
FTTPit would spur faster development08:03
FTTPlinux will coexist08:04
FTTPlinux aint going anywhere08:04
pepsi_BeOS was fun :D08:04
FTTPkde and gnome and all will be around and still donated :)08:04
maskieKarnaugh, u from SA?  ... seem to remember your name from myadsl08:04
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) linux seems to be the only OS around that can stand up to MS08:05
FTTPjust wish there was more of a commercial model for competition08:05
FTTPgammaray:  No competitor can get marketshare, its locked out08:05
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) huh?08:05
FTTPgammaray for desktop os i mean08:05
farruinnI don't think that competing with M$ is really the point of linux anyway...08:05
FTTPthe percentage of users of linux in the usa is very very small08:05
FTTPserver its on the rise08:05
genrim from sa maskie08:05
Karnaughmaskie: yes08:05
FTTPbut not desktop08:05
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: hobbyist grade? I refute that.08:06
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FTTPcrimsum:  No im saying without commercial support08:06
FTTPcrimsum:  IT would have BEEN hobbyist grade08:06
(crimsun/#ubuntu) 2.4 had excellent SMP compared even without commercial backing08:06
Austronthe standardization of linux must continue and must be improved vastly08:06
FTTPcrimsum:  IBM donatedh hyperthreading for example08:06
FTTPHyper-Threading speeds Linux08:06
FTTPdonated by ibm08:06
maskiegenr, Karnaugh, did any of you watch the new TV program on open source that started yesterday ...08:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hyperthreading is stupid btw08:06
genrmaskie, nope08:07
genrwhat's the name?08:07
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: where did you read they donated it?08:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hyperthreading is just to make up for Intels bad chip design08:07
(crimsun/#ubuntu) and reading, HT is negligible.08:07
FTTPcrimsum:  The current Linux symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) kernel at both the 2.4 and 2.5 versions was made aware of Hyper-Threading, and performance speed-up had been observed in multithreaded benchmarks (see Resources later in this article for articles with more details).08:07
maskiegenr, go-open and it is sponsored in part by Canonical .. was on SABC 2 around 5:3008:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) ie amd does not need hyperthreading08:08
genrsounds interesting08:08
FTTPDuc Vianney works in operating system performance evaluation and measurement in computer architectures and Java. He is with the Linux Kernel Performance Group at the IBM Linux Technology Center. Duc has written several articles on Java performance for IBM developerWorks and PartnerWorld.08:08
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: the speedup is nowhere as crucial as the actual tearing down of internal big locks08:08
genrstop copy pasting fttp, shit.08:08
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FTTPbeos was nice08:09
FTTPbut it was not multiuser08:09
(crimsun/#ubuntu) it did not need to be multiuser08:10
FTTPhopefully when the litigation is finished, new OS'es will emerge08:10
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) windows was not either until NT.. and not until XP on the desktop side08:10
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KarnaughXP essentialy is NT08:10
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I know08:11
FTTPits ironic, ibm has no linux distro right?08:11
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FTTPibm contributed to linux, but maintained no distro08:11
(crimsun/#ubuntu) externally? no. Internally they maintain certain things.08:11
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: why are plenty happy playing one distro against an other08:11
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KarnaughFTTP: they have their own UNIX stuff as far as i know08:12
FTTPaix is dead08:12
KarnaughFTTP: why do they need to maintain their own distro?08:12
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: AIX is far from dead :)08:12
(crimsun/#ubuntu) but really, this is way off-topic08:12
FTTPcrimsun:   aix isnt supported08:12
FTTPlinux is their transition08:12
FTTPwell aix is end of life08:13
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: I can refute that.08:13
(crimsun/#ubuntu) please, this is really off-topic08:13
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alkirkwhat is the topic08:13
(crimsun/#ubuntu) ubuntu-related discussion08:13
(crimsun/#ubuntu) whether IBM's UNIX is dying or not really has no bearing08:14
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(jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: that's unnecessary08:14
alkirkIt's tied up in the SCO mess08:14
Agrajagnot really.08:14
farruinnHow much does Ubuntu and Debian share code?  As in, if a bug is fixed in Ubuntu, will it be integrated into Debian and the other way around?08:15
(crimsun/#ubuntu) farruinn: very closely08:15
Agrajagtelling peopel to shut up in the middle of a discussion that's not affecting anyone's ability to get help is quite unnecessary.08:15
alkirkX question08:15
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I was hardly telling anyone to shush; it was a reminder that there are still people requesting ubuntu help.08:15
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(jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: the off-topic discussion is distracting and unnecessary, and it makes the channel more intimidating for people trying to get help. there are plenty of other places this discussion could go on, so don't portray it as unfair rules, etc.08:16
(crimsun/#ubuntu) farruinn: most ubuntu maintainers/developers are also debian maintainers/developers; so bug squashing and patching is very close-knit08:16
farruinnah, spiffy!08:16
Gorthis bugzilla.ubuntu.com down?08:17
alkirkI have a problem with X08:17
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: please elaborate08:17
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Gorth: it's up for me.08:17
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alkirkI had problem getting X to operate on my computer when I installed08:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I installed gaim's source via apt-get source gaim. When I run dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot how do I prevent it from being stripped?08:18
alkirkI finally got it working with the framebuffer driver08:18
Gorthcrimsun, hmmm, weird. I haven't been able to reach for quite some time..08:18
(crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: comment out dh_strip08:19
Gorthi have no trouble with www.ubuntu.com08:19
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Gorth: I just loaded the bugzilla pages08:19
(crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: (in debian/rules)08:19
farruinnGorth, they're different servers08:19
Gorthfarruinn, aahh ok, i see..08:19
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: which graphics chipset do you use?08:20
alkirkNow here is my current problem: I installed the nvidia driver and it works with GDM when I log into GNOME it reverts to the framebuffer08:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: the gaim rules file is very short and includes two files from /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/08:21
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: do I have to find that in of of those?08:21
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) s/of/one/08:21
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) autotools.mk and debhelper.mk08:21
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: warty or hoary?08:22
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) also /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk08:22
alkirkCrimsun, nvidia08:22
Gorthare there currently any problems with gdesklets?08:22
alkirkhoary use X org?08:23
hbilloalkirk, I think so08:23
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 uses the nvidia driver08:24
(crimsun/#ubuntu) and yes, Hoary uses X.Org08:24
(crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: see /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk08:24
(crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: you'll notice there is a 'is_debug_package' variable08:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: I was wondering about that08:25
alkirkone moment while I check it out08:25
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: but I'm only familar w/ basic make08:25
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: so set that to.. 0 in the rules file?08:26
osiris_22how do i mount my ntfs partition?08:26
(crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: more than likely you need to export that variable after setting it to a non-zero value08:26
__danielmount /dev/hd?? -t ntfs -o ro /mnt08:27
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: ok.. thanks.. I'll see how this goes08:27
(crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: you may find this helpful: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS08:28
osiris_22it says contents cant be displayed08:28
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: thanks again08:29
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osiris_22how do you update ubuntu? do you do it threw synaptic?08:31
farruinnsudo apt-get upgrade08:31
Austronim using synaptic08:31
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) osiris_22: are you running warty? if so, only security fixes and non-invasive (and major) bugfixes will be merged08:32
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hbillohellow all08:33
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hbillois there a patch for the kernel08:33
hbilloin order to get my realtek ac'97 soundcard work08:33
farruinnhuh, my synaptic is screwed up - doesn't display any packages08:33
FTTPwow veritas is now contributing08:33
yohannesis there any way i can backup my linux to a blank media?08:34
FTTPman, im looking at all the kernel contributors08:34
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: "now?"08:34
yohannesi mean the os' image08:34
(crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: try many years.08:34
(crimsun/#ubuntu) many, many years.08:34
FTTPcrimsun:  veritas is huge now tho08:34
farruinnhm, so is dselect - only the packages I have installed or have removed are listed08:34
(crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: what model?08:34
FTTPcrimsun:  tons of huge names in there08:34
hbillocrimsun, heu .. a realtek ac'97 the module is atiixp08:36
(crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: use the snd-atiixp module08:36
hbilloeven with modprobe atiixp, modprobe snd-atiixp08:37
hbilloit doesn't work :(08:37
(crimsun/#ubuntu) you need a very recent version of alsa08:37
(crimsun/#ubuntu) at least 1.0.6a, preferrably 1.0.7, which was just released08:37
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FTTPcrimsun:  Oh wait veritas had a linux strategy back in 200008:38
hbillohmm .. I have the 1.0.508:38
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hbillobut apt-get install alsa doesn't propose me to install a newer version :(08:39
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) I would suggest you grab alsa-source from sid08:40
(crimsun/#ubuntu) then you can build 1.0.6a using the instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz08:40
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hbillookey thank you I will try to do this now08:40
alkirkMy XF86Config file seems to have "nvidia" listed as a driver08:41
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: could you upload /var/log/XFree86.0.log from a successfully-logged in session to pastebin.com?08:42
hbillocrimsun, where can i get the alsa source for sid ?08:42
alkirkupload how?08:43
(crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: click the [All] button on this page: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-source08:43
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: paste it onto pastebin.com08:43
(crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: or make the file available on a web site08:43
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hbillocrimsun, where doest he uncompress it ? i don't find them ?08:50
(crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: it's placed in /usr/src/08:50
(crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: read the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz08:51
jobezonehello, has anyone tried using the livecd in some way to be able to resize/create partitions?08:51
hbillothank you, you're really nice :)08:51
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hbillocrimsun, sorry but i can't read the .gz :( the cat doesn't work with, even text editors08:54
hbillo(I'm really a beginner :\ )08:54
farruinnor zless08:54
(crimsun/#ubuntu) back in a bit.08:55
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BeanDiphbillo, vim08:56
BeanDipor vi08:56
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osiris_22lmao my friend is trying to install the linux version of winamp...09:08
osiris_22im laughen09:08
b_e_n_zosiris_22: what's so funny09:08
osiris_22cause he has no idea how to install files09:08
osiris_22and i wont help him09:08
osiris_22cause hes gacked09:08
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(kremlyn/#ubuntu) hmm.09:12
(kremlyn/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Do you know what "Ubuntu" means?09:12
hbilloI have nothing in the /usr/src!! is that normal ???09:12
osiris_22no i dont.09:12
(kremlyn/#ubuntu) osiris_22: It means good will towards others, which you aren't exhibiting towards your friend ;-)09:13
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osiris_22hes gacked09:13
osiris_22hes trashed man09:13
(kremlyn/#ubuntu) If you want to behave like that, go join #gentoo :-)09:13
melaniewho tried apache with mono?09:13
alkirkdo you mean less than sober?09:13
b_e_n_zmelanie: you mean using apache/mono to serve ASP.NET pages?09:14
melanieb_e_n_z: yes, exactly.09:15
osiris_22dude. i tried to help him last night.. when he was trashed it was a chore09:15
osiris_22even on the phone09:15
osiris_22he needs to be sober09:15
osiris_22hes drinking coughsyrup09:15
osiris_22the drug in coughsyrup is a opiate analog.09:15
b_e_n_zmelanie: i read that it works, but since i don't know ASP.NET and anything related to M$, i have no real experience with it09:15
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osiris_22i hate it when he does that stuff man.. hes my hetero life mate i worry about him09:16
melanieb_e_n_z: but can you tell me how to install the apache addon?09:17
b_e_n_zmelanie: i think the instructions are on the mono page... http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html09:18
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melanieb_e_n_z: ok, i'll try. can you tell if there is a gui out there for configuring apache?09:19
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b_e_n_zmelanie: some people use webmin i believe... i don't... i use vi09:21
__danielmelanie: not really, but the installaion process should take care of most things09:21
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alkirkcrimsun, posted on pastebin09:23
Karnaughmelanie: you dont want to configure apache with a gui really09:24
Karnaughmelanie: it has many many options etc that a GUI wouldnt give justice too09:24
Karnaughwebmin is a hazard dont go that route09:24
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__danielalkirk: whats wrong?09:25
alkirkx / driver problems09:26
__danielhe doesnt find glcore09:26
__danielso maybe you comment it out09:26
Aikeshi, i am having some problem with grub, was wondering if anyone could help me out? =)09:26
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alkirkbut why does it shove me into framebuffer after I login09:27
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__danielmorning Timaaah09:28
|FalleN-AngeL|hey, anyone here know how to get pppoe going in ubuntu?09:29
__danielalkirk: if you want to change it: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver.xorg (you were using xorg, right?09:29
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: it works perfectly on my debian router... what's the problem?09:29
__danielalkirk: then: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8609:30
|FalleN-AngeL|__daniel, is that with authentication from the machine itself, or from the router?09:30
Aikesdoes anyone know how to reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n grub not there no more09:30
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: i dont really understand your question09:31
alkirkwhat does the -plow switch do09:31
__danielalkirk: tell you ALL the questions09:31
Timaaah__daniel :)09:31
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|FalleN-AngeL|i have a billion 5100 modem running in bridged mode, i need ubuntu to handle the login information itself09:31
Animadoes anyone know how to reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n grub not there no more09:32
|FalleN-AngeL|i have pon getting an ip, but the machine itself isn't getting any data09:32
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__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: does /var/log/syslog say something?09:32
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alkirkwas working with crimsun, who has appeared to have stepped away09:33
labanuxhello everybody...09:33
__danielhai labanux09:33
labanux__daniel: did you know about doom game on ubuntu?09:33
alkirkwill give it another shot09:34
labanux__daniel: can't it played in Ubuntu?09:34
__daniellabanux: a recent doom or the "old" one?09:34
farruinnanybody know of something that will allow Sound Juicer to import mp3's from cd's?09:34
labanux__daniel: how about the recent one?09:35
__daniellabanux: i don't play those kind of games... but i guess it's possible *somehow*09:35
|FalleN-AngeL|__daniel, nothing out of the ordinary09:36
Animacould some1 help me ?09:36
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__danielfarruinn: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats09:36
__danielAnima: whats the problem?09:36
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: the device is set up?09:36
|FalleN-AngeL|i'm getting an ip09:37
|FalleN-AngeL|the machine just can't ping out or anything09:37
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: what does ping say?09:37
__danielhmmmmm... strange09:37
__daniellet me think09:37
Anima(__daniel): how do u reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n the grub menu gone09:37
stuNNedAnima, grub-install /dev/hda ?09:37
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: what does   route   say?09:38
|FalleN-AngeL|__daniel, just times out09:38
ChibiOnce more before I go to bed, http://studiochibico.com/xfce/ubgirl.png , any comments?09:38
|FalleN-AngeL|absolutely nothing09:38
AnimastuNNed: how do i do that when i cant get into ubuntu?09:38
stuNNedAnima, don't know if ubuntu install disk has rescue mode or not09:39
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: does  plog   say something?09:39
farruinnChibi, nice09:39
farruinnwhat's it for?09:39
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|FalleN-AngeL|route says nothing at all09:39
ChibiIt's just a rough sketch. I want to get a character together for ubuntu/anime fans. :P09:39
|FalleN-AngeL|plog says "not replacing default route to eth0"09:40
__danielChibi: make her look a bit more happy :_)09:40
ChibiPossibly for some wallpapers or something once the character is done09:40
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: it has 2 network cards?09:40
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Anima(stuNNed): so do u know how i could reinstall grub if i cant boot into ubuntu?09:40
Chibixfmedia. D: !09:40
__danielTimaaah: beep-media-player, totem, rhythmbox, muine, xmms, ... :-)09:41
TimaaahChibi, will give it a shot09:41
|FalleN-AngeL|no, i have eth0 and from there i've been running pppoe to get ppp009:41
|FalleN-AngeL|only 1 nic09:41
Timaaahdaniel, ta09:41
stuNNedAnima, is there a way to boot from livecd and chroot into your ubuntu install or do the same with ubuntu install cd?09:41
Chibixfmedia is rather new. Beep would probably be better if you're just after audipo09:41
Chibixfmedia is for people that hate everything else out there. :P09:41
__daniel|FalleN-AngeL|: i'm rather clueless :-(09:42
AnimastuNNed: i can boot into ubuntu livecd after that wat do i do?09:42
AnimastuNNed: i am a noob to linux =)09:42
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stuNNedAnima, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto and http://www.sysresccd.org/index.en.php come to mind.09:45
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Animathanks stuNNed i will go read it09:46
stuNNedAnima, np, the key is set up your chroot environment, then once done, chroot into it and run something like 'grub-install /dev/hda' or wherever your grub is installed.09:47
alkirktried it and rebooted, no change09:47
aukanyone know how to set up 3ddesktop?09:48
Animaok but what is chroot?09:48
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stuNNedAnima, (ch)ange (root) as in change your root dir to whatever you want :)09:48
stuNNedAnima, root dir being /09:48
Animaoh ok, so its like instead of using the root from the livecd we set it to the one on the hard disk?09:49
stuNNedexactly :)09:49
Animaoh ok09:49
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stuNNedAnima, it's also good for security purposes, limiting a daemon or something other to a restricted dir with given needed files09:50
Animaer ok09:51
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masshmm, is it just me, or does the network configuration syspref under gnome require a root password and not a sudo password in order to work its magic?09:52
AnimastuNNed, how do i chroot when i am in livecd?09:52
cenerentoladoes someone know when mako will be avaible?09:52
farruinnmass, I'm able to use it w/o having enabled root09:52
stuNNedAnima, read that install from knoppix on the wiki, see if you can apply it to your ubuntu livecd, basically you mount things, set up proc, etc, then chroot in09:53
Animahmmm ok09:53
_kris_anybody using a IBM laptop T42?09:55
_kris_(at has made PM work)09:55
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alkirk__damiel, tried it and rebooted, no change09:58
alkirk__daniel, tried it and rebooted, no change09:58
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__danielalkirk: you changed the fb device question?09:59
alkirkwhat do you mean10:00
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__danielalkirk: didnt it ask for the use of a framebuffer device?10:01
alkirkwhat should I put?10:01
__danielchange it from yes to no or vice versa10:01
alkirkI think I tried no this time10:01
__danielalkirk: do you get any error message?10:02
alkirkwhen I run the program? I don't thinkso10:03
__danielalkirk: when you run the xserver10:03
alkirkI run it from within GDM10:04
__danielalkirk: what does grep -E "\(EE|WW\)" /var/log/XFree86.0.log give you?10:05
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alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID".10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) Warning, couldn't open module GLcore10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-010:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "576x384":10:07
alkirk/var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (589) not a multiple of 810:07
alkirkgrep: give: No such file or directory10:07
alkirkgrep: you?: No such file or directory10:07
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) alkirk: PLEASE use www.pastebin.com10:07
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) alkirk: don't past huge amounts of stuff on the channel10:07
__danielalkirk: try to comment out glcore10:07
Karnaughlooks like your X11 instalation is seriously borked10:07
__danielor use dpkg-reconfigure again10:07
__danielKarnaugh: it isnt10:08
KarnaughThe directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. ??10:08
__danielKarnaugh: it's just a warning...10:08
__danielthe only problem is: "Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)"10:08
__danielso comment it out or uncheck the checkbox in dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree8610:09
alkirkwhy doesn't "GLcore" exist?10:09
__danielcomment it out10:12
Karnaughthats totaly the solution10:12
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karakthWhy is sun's java 2 sdk so huge and Blackdown's not? Is sun better for java than Blackdown?10:12
b_e_n_zsun jdk is slower than blackdown jdk in my experience10:13
b_e_n_zat least for 1.4.x10:13
alkirkone more time10:13
Karnaughkarakth: because the Blackdown does not have a complete implementation10:13
b_e_n_znot sure about 1.510:13
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b_e_n_zKarnaugh: no, i think the sun jdk comes with a bunch of demo's whereas the blackdown jdk doesn't10:14
b_e_n_zkarakth: depending on what you want to do with java but BEA jrockit is the fastest jvm on this planet if you have >= 1Gb memory10:15
karakthI also couldn't install javaws with Blackdown.10:15
karakthjava web start doesn't recognize a Blackdown installation, I think.10:16
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Karnaughb_e_n_z: the jdk yes10:18
Karnaughthe actual implementation has less features than the sun VM afaik10:19
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) how can I detect if a binary was stripped?10:20
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) use 'file' on it10:20
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) it'll tell you 'stripped' if it's stripped10:20
b_e_n_zGammaRay: file <file>?10:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) thanks10:21
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rexiboyhey guys10:28
__danielhai rexiboy10:28
rexiboywhat is the differace between ubuntu kernel and ubuntu amd64-generic?10:29
rexiboywhy is the ubuntu on e the default boot?10:29
alkirkno longer get the "GLcore" error10:29
__danielalkirk: does it work?10:30
alkirksame result10:30
__danielalkirk: so it doesnt start up?10:30
__danielalkirk: past    grep -E "\(EE|WW\)" /var/log/XFree86.?.log     in #flood10:31
alkirkIt starts up with the GDM login screen using the nvidia driver but switches to the "fb" driver once I'm logged in10:32
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__danielalkirk: how can you tell?10:33
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__danielalkirk: and whats wrong with that?10:33
rexiboyany 1?10:34
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alkirkI get the nvidia spash screen wit GDM and I get a 48.3kHz 60 screen when logged in10:34
alkirkMy settings request a 75 Hz vert10:35
__danielalkirk: hmmmm, sorry... can't help you with that10:36
__danielalkirk: don't know how to change those values10:36
alkirkWhy would the driver change at all on login?10:37
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alkirkWhy should the driver change at all on login?10:37
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) the driver doesn't change10:38
b_e_n_zalkirk: disable EDID10:40
alkirkWhat's EDID?10:40
b_e_n_zalkirk: read the docs that come with the nvidia driver10:40
b_e_n_zalkirk: it tells you how to enable/disable it10:41
rexiboywhat is the differance between ubuntu kernel and ubuntu amd64-generic?10:42
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm trying to recompile gaim w/ debugging, no optimization and so it's not stripped. I know it's rules file uses CDBS but I don't know how to set any of these things. Any help?10:43
__danielGammaRay: can't you supply it with a "strip" command anywhere?10:46
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: I'm trying to make sure it's *not* stripped.10:48
__danielah... well there was something in the wikipage someone suggested10:49
__danielbut it was about .py files not being stripped10:49
__danielGammaRay: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS10:50
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) I've seen that...10:50
__danielGammaRay: you also saw that   .py  remark?10:51
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: ofcourse.. what's your point?10:52
nab_Is anyone using Kylix with ubuntu?10:52
__danielGammaRay: or just   apt-get source <bla-dbg> and look it up in their /debian/ directory10:52
__danielGammaRay: i just thought, if they preserve .py-files from being stripped, you could do it with your binary10:52
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: I would hope so.. I've been trying for a while. setting all sorts of env variables10:53
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alakdanhello, just wondering if its possible to automatically start gaim whenever I log in using gnome?10:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm well it seems I was able to do it10:54
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) no wonder dpkg -i took so long10:54
__danielalakdan: keep it open and save your session on logout10:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) w00t.. now gdb works10:55
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alakdan__daniel: any other way aside from saving sessions?10:55
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__danielalakdan: it just works at my place10:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) of line 560 of gaims source:10:55
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) 592 /* FUCKING GET ME A TOWEL! */10:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) err 592 rather (-;10:56
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) first thing I saw...10:56
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) alakdan: in the session properties you can add commands11:01
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alakdanGammaRay: got it, thanks :)11:01
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(GammaRay/#ubuntu) brushing w/ baking soda is a bitch11:06
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) in addition to tasking the asidic basking soda11:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) in addition to tasking the acidic baking soda...11:07
(alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi11:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) you taste the stuff coming off your teeth11:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) s/tasking/tasting11:07
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) damn... I need a smaller enter key.. it makes me do things11:08
paspourtoiheh - baking soda is alkaline actually ;)11:08
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) paspourtoi: so how would you describe the taste :-P11:12
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) other than.. salty11:12
paspourtoiGammaRay: indescribably awful?  (Scientific term )  ;-)11:13
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) works for me.. but I'm out of tooth paste11:14
paspourtoiGammaRay: ah well - the dentists tell me it's the brushing that matters anyway11:16
nab_can i just download that Kylix and install it?11:18
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nab_any experience with that?11:18
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.fluoridealert.org/11:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) lol11:20
(GammaRay/#ubuntu) and to think I was just looking up the proper spelling11:20
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werewolfHi all, how to install swat on ubuntu 4.10? there is dependecies problem :(11:32
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) what's swat?11:33
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) werewolf: how did you try to install it?11:33
paspourtoiSamba Web Administration Tool11:33
_kris_samba web administration tool11:33
paspourtoiit should be in the repositories (Debian has it anyway)11:34
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_kris_it comes with samba11:34
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freakabcdhi all11:35
freakabcdCDs shipping now, i guess..11:35
freakabcdi'm eagerly waiting for mine to arrive :)11:35
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freakabcdanybody in Australia received them yet?11:36
(crimsun/#ubuntu) 265 is a goodly #11:36
werewolflast samba package is 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2, but swat depends on samba=3.0.7-1ubuntu6 :(11:37
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) hmm11:37
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) I'd file a bug for that11:38
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) it should depend on a less specific version] 11:38
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) 6.2 is the security-updated version..11:38
paspourtoiwerewolf: you realise swat wipes allthr useful comments from you conf file?11:38
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) paspourtoi: you could copy it somewhere safe before installing swat11:39
paspourtoiwerewolf: maybe use webmin instead as a work around11:39
paspourtoiTreenaks: true :)11:39
werewolfpaspourtoi: yes, but it's so easy, and is a good start point11:39
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werewolfpaspourtoi: mmm, I dislike install to many service (speaking about webmin)11:40
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dabbish1Anyone know if there are any issues with nvidia and ubuntu11:59
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paspourtoidabbish1: look for the binary drivers howto on the ubuntu site12:01
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humboubuntuforums.org stopped working for anyone else?12:02
pl0vsdabbish1, i stopped using them, they made my computer unstable12:02
pl0vsdabbish1, the nv driver works ok for me12:03
humboI'm using nv too, the official nvidia driver seemed to have problems.12:04
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humboubuntuforums.org isn't even responding to ping12:05
re_ubuhello everyone, I have a strange bug here. It's a toshiba m30 with warty12:05
re_ubuI have keyboard repetitions.12:06
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re_ubuweird, and keyb delay is well set12:06
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(crimsun/#ubuntu) humbo: give it a few hours.12:07
humbohas it done this before, crimsun?12:08
re_ubuI've found12:08
re_ubuit's a toshiba issue.12:08
tkoodahello all,  can someone give me their opinion on why someone might want to run ubuntu instead of debian?12:08
humboI've never run debian, so I'm not much help in that respect.12:09
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: Because ubuntu provides a much nicer and integreated desktop right out of the box, also includes a 6 monthly release, commercial support and more up to date software than debian.12:09
dabbish1out of the box I just get garbled output12:09
(crimsun/#ubuntu) humbo: ocassional downtime, unforeseen circumstances, so forth12:09
pl0vstkooda, ubuntu is easier to install, has a nicer integrated gnome-desktop by default12:09
tkoodaLathiat, more up to date than, say sarge?12:09
(crimsun/#ubuntu) the development branch is definitely more current than sarge12:10
(crimsun/#ubuntu) stable branch of course is frozen completely12:10
tkoodaLathiat/pl0vs, what do you mean a "more intergrated gnome-desktop"?  (how is it more "ingergrated" than, say, a sarge gnome install?)12:10
humbodabbish1: when does this appear? Do you see the text bootup first, or is there no display at all?12:10
(crimsun/#ubuntu) tkooda: the gnome desktop is much more streamlined in ubuntu12:11
willtkooda: were not forcing you....just check it out yourself any you will see :)12:11
(crimsun/#ubuntu) tkooda: the menus are cleaned up and are much less confusing12:11
tkoodawill, I didn't suggest someone was forcing me.  I came to ask what you knew about it.12:11
humboubuntu appears to be built around gnome, it specialises in it.12:11
tkoodahumbo, what do you mean specialises?12:11
tkoodaso it's got newer packages in the stable release, and has a better default gnome config?12:12
willtkooda:yes but no one here will force you i meant, cos were all lovely ubuntu'ers12:12
tkoodadoes ubuntu use any (unmodified) debian packages?12:13
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: yes, the universe and multiverse archives are direct from debian12:14
danielstkooda: yes12:14
danielstkooda: whatever we didn't change12:14
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: because a) i have gnome working out of the box, b) i have hal, gnome-volume-manager etc12:14
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) and an incredibly cool team of people working on it :)12:14
tkoodacan someone please explain how the part about allowing any developer to modify any package works?  -wouldn't that lead to developer infighting?12:14
willtoo much choice for software, i feel debian-based dpkg is very powerful12:15
tkooda..or perhaps lead to stability problems if not all developers are equally skilled?12:15
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danielstkooda: uh, no12:17
danielstkooda: i know all the development team and we get along quite well12:17
danielsobviously we disagree on technical matters at some points, but we're all old enough to get over it12:17
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fabbionedaniels: you are still our little "kid"12:18
danielsfabbione: ber12:18
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha12:18
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danielstkooda: see?  if I wasn't old enough to wear that, I would've hit fabbione by now ;)12:18
danielsfabbione: you're just jealous of my years of experience with Debian12:19
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) or maybe your just too small to get up and hit him :)12:19
fabbionedaniels: no.. i am just jalous for not being 1812:19
GuyverXT9I are looking for GammaRay, also answers to "dom poes","robert mugabe" or "mark shuttleworth"12:19
tkoodadaniels, so how are package disputes solved?  (i.e. when devlopers disagree about a change/fix)12:19
fabbionetkooda: who hits faster and harder win :-)))12:20
fabbionetkooda: justs kidding ;)12:20
tkoodaI'm not convinced a distro can work on just the premesis that "all developers love eachother".  :P12:20
danielsfabbione: so I hit faster and harder on X? :)12:20
danielstkooda: well, if someone can't cope with the idea of solving disputes through communication, then that's a pretty big red flag for them to join, obviously12:20
danielstkooda: we just talk it out rationally12:20
danielsthen there's a round of jelly wrestling12:20
__danieland if people still dont like daniels' ideas he tortures them with "hassel the hoff"12:21
tkoodadaniels, I see.  but even rational people will disagree from time to time.  are there procedures in place to solve conflicts that can't be resolved via handolding and singing songs?  ;P12:22
danielstkooda: of course we disagree from time to time12:22
Gmailif i where to to install java where should i install it12:22
danielstkooda: there is a decision-making chain also -- mdz is distro leader (although Kamion is our cheap imitation mdz while Matt's on holiday)12:22
sivanghi fabbione,daniels :)12:22
fabbionehey sivang12:23
danielssivang: yo dude12:23
tkoodaoooh, you didn't mention mdz before, heh.  I'm sold.  :)12:23
sivangdaniels : You better Kamion didn't hear you hehe :)12:23
tkoodawas ubuntu mdz's brainchild?12:23
danielstkooda: nope12:23
Gmaildaniels: is the type of guy that know the answer to my question (which doesn't have a question mark)12:24
danielsGmail: i don't even know the answer to that question, if it actually was one12:24
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danielsmaybe if I understood it, I'd have a better chance at answering12:24
Gmailshould i put it in /usr/local/java12:24
Gmaili am installing java (from the sun tarball) where should i install it12:25
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bamI've got a problem, I'm totaly new to ubuntu, I'm from belgium12:26
tkoodaI think I get the gist of ubuntu now..  would it be fair to summarize ubuntu (as compared to debian stable) as having "faster, predictable, release cycle with more up-to-date packages; and some measure of more emphasis on the gnome desktop; ..and leaves behind any old developer-infighting-fustration that may have accumulated amoungst debian developers who disagree" ?12:26
sivangGmail : you should have it installed under your /home/$user - this is supported by the java tarballs12:27
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nonajmehi the_one12:27
sivangGmail : that way you won't taint your system, and be able to neatly remove when you suddenly want to :)12:27
bamI've downloaded the cd for my A64 ( yes the I have downloaded the 64 bit pacage ) After i have booted from cd, and ubuntu did some thing i don't know12:27
bamI had to select the partition12:27
Gmailsivang: but i want it system wide12:27
sivangGmail : just make classpath= and jdk= point to the right places.12:27
bamNow i want to use Windows AND linux in the beginning , so i made two partitions, 65 gigabyte for windows + other stuff and a 16GB for ubuntu12:28
sivangGmail : it can be used system wide like this, just put the right envars in a system wide location, just leave the actual execs on your home folder./12:28
Gmailso $home/.java12:28
the_oneI'd like to install the tahoma font in ubuntu, could I just copy it from the windows partition, if so, how? I need to have root access, so it must be done over the command line. Or is there a font-installation utility in gnome already?12:28
tkoodaI guess I never was very privy to any large-scale debian developer conflict that needed to be solved by forking another distro.12:28
bamBut i don't know what to choose in the partition mangager12:28
sivangGmail : yes, I think there is something on the web the explains how to do that.12:28
bami can choose ' wisselbestand... '12:28
Gmailsivang: no it can't i don't allow other user into my home folder12:28
tkoodaI do understand the desire to have more up-to-date pacakges in stable thou..12:29
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sivangGmail : I myself have a working installation of NetBeans, together with an install of the jdk under my home12:29
sivangGmail : All other users have only exec permissioss to it, and you can also make a symlink from somewhere in /usr...12:29
sivangGmail : but if you wat to have a system wide install, lemme check something.12:30
the_onelet me rephrase.. how do I install a ttf font in ubuntu?12:30
Gmailsivang: i have set it up that that will not happen on my network12:30
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sivangGmail : (there supposed to be somewhere on an inofficial debian archive some debs)12:30
Gmailsivang: yea of blackdown 1.412:30
sivangGmail : on the debian-marriliat ?12:31
paspourtoithe_one: start with sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts12:31
bamCan someone help me?12:31
the_onepaspourtoi: I did that, but tahoma is not included12:31
Gmaili am having problems with a program so i need to use sun 1.512:31
Gmailsivang: its says 2 mirrors in the FAQ12:32
bamhmmmmmm, the FAQ is big, is there a FAQ for installing ubuntu 64b?12:32
Gmailbam: the FAQ are in the FAQ the rest is in the wiki12:33
bamye i just found it12:34
bami read something for the swap12:34
cardadorthe_one: write fonts:// in nautilus, then drag and drop tahoma in there12:34
bamis 1 partition not enough?12:34
bamhow many partitions do you guys advise? and how big ?12:35
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cardadorbam: ubuntu installer can take care of that for you12:35
cardadorbam: normally 2 partitions: swap with 2 x your ram, and the other with what size you want12:36
eimHello folks, I'm currently installing Warty on my x86 workstation -- I own an 80GB IDE HDD and I'm planing how to partition the fs. Which size should be the /boot partition? ~40MB? Thanks.12:36
the_onecardador: I would do that, but I don't have the permissions, I tried to log in as root after re-enabling the root account in order to do this, but it won't log me in12:36
Gmailcardador: not any more12:36
eimI think also 20MB for /boot should suffice.12:36
mirakis there a good tool to do data synchronisation between two computer ?12:37
cardadorthe_one: just drop the font in there, after restarting X tahoma will be available12:37
Gmailcardador: a swap of 100MB should do with the ammount of ram people have these days12:37
bamok thanks people12:37
bami'm printing a part of the faq now ^^12:37
cardadorGmail: so its a disavantage to have more than 100??12:37
the_onecardador: will try12:37
Gmailbam: you read what i said12:37
eimGmail: I heard about the fact the swap should be at least the double of your RAM.12:37
Gmailcardador: yes12:38
mirakeim: when we had only 128 meg of ram or even 64 yes12:38
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bamcardador and Gmail thanks !12:38
Gmaileim: if you have less than 128mb12:38
eimmirak: unison is what I use to sync my home.12:38
cardadorGmail: why is that? i read the same as eim12:38
bamlet's make thos partitions ^^12:38
mirakeim: but if you have 1G of ram you will not use 2G of swap :12:38
mirakeim: thanks I check that12:38
eimmirak: I have 512MB of RAM so 1024 of SWAP should be ok, IMHO.12:38
one_2_oneany ppc user here ?12:38
mirakeim: is it possible to use it with cron ?12:38
eimmirak: Sure, it's a CLI tool.12:39
mirakeim: that's to much I think12:39
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Gmailcardador: because it was a rule when hdd where faster than ram and hardly any ram12:39
eimmirak: I'm away. We'll continue discussion later.12:39
mirakeim: I mean 1G of swap is for using oracle or uge servers I think12:39
mirakeim: bye12:39
the_onecardador: I dragged them into fonts:/// but they don't show in there12:39
mirakGmail: hdd faster than ram ? :) no12:40
cardadorGmail: so now i have 512 of swap, with 1024 of ram. what would be the best for me?12:40
cardadorthe_one: dont worry, restart x and itll be in there12:40
mirakcardador: I have 512 of swap for 512 of ram, it's fine12:40
the_onecardador: ok, thanx, hope'll work12:40
one_2_oneUbuntu ppc have hfs support ? and about software where i can see the avaliabe soft for ubuntu12:40
setcreativeHey folks, I'm having a nightmare of a time trying to get a SATA/NTFS drive to mount.  I'm trying to migrate away from WinXP Pro and need to be able to get at two SATA disks with a single large NTFS partition on each.  I have my PATA NTFS partitions mounted OK, but the SATA ones won't mount.12:40
cardadornot reboot!12:40
bamIt's my first time that I try linux12:42
willwho uses eSound output here for listening to music?12:42
bamhow old are you guys?12:42
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paspourtoibam: ancient12:42
cardadorbam: why is it relevant? (im 8 btw ;))12:42
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Gmailmirak: at one point of time yes12:43
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Gmailcardador: make it 100MB of swap (unless you need more memery which is unlikely unless you a server)12:44
setcreativeAnybody here know anything about SATA?  Particularly as applies to nVidia chipsets - it's an nforce3 250gb (MSI K8N Neo Platinum) controller.  I seem to be having all kinds of hell with Linux - Mandrake, Fedora and Mepis won't install, only Ubuntu, and it won't mount my SATA drives.12:44
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cardadorGmail: so can i convert my 512 swap to 100? and how do i do it?12:45
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Gmailcardador: if it already there don't worry unless you need more space12:46
cardadorGmail: ok,  but ill keep that in mind when i need to install ubuntu somewhere12:46
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Adrenali am running an amd 2500. Which cpu setting should i be running, and how do i add it?12:48
Adrenalhey by the way12:48
m00sei have a problem with printing from evolution in hoary. it always prints extra blank page, anyone has similar problems?12:49
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bami don't know :s12:50
bami'm new to this12:50
m00seAdrenal, what cpu settings?12:50
Adrenalwhen u start up, in grub12:50
paspourtoiAdrenal: I wasn't aware any such setting was required12:51
Adrenalthe number after the os, eg 38612:51
Adrenalhow do i change that to the one corrosponding with my actual cpu?12:51
m00seinstall linux-image-
Adrenalor is there little point doing so?12:51
cardadorAdrenal: open synaptic and search for linux-image12:51
m00seit should be your default kernel in grub12:51
Adrenalmy default kernal is 38612:52
m00sewhen you have -k7 working you can remove -i38612:52
bamem, is there a music player in ubuntu? that reads .mp3's from my windows directory12:52
Adrenalah, thanks12:52
cardadorbam: rythmbox12:52
bamis it in ubuntu or it it on the internet?12:52
cardadorbam: its the music player from the menu12:52
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bamok :)12:52
Adrenaland do i get rid of the old 386 version?12:53
cardadorbam: applications > multimedia > music player12:53
one_2_onewhere can i see the avaliable soft for ubuntu or i can install .deb on ubuntu ?12:53
cardadorAdrenal: dont worry about that12:53
bami'm realy new, i've seen some screenshots of my friend in suse12:53
Adrenalbut if i don't, won't there be like 4 os' on my startup?12:53
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cardadorAdrenal: if you have a menu entry on computer > syst conf > boot, then its easy12:54
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bamafter installing ubuntu, is it autmatical grafical or is it in the console12:54
cardadorAdrenal: but im not sure if it is on warty12:54
bam( sorry , my englisch isn't that good 14y )12:54
cardadorbam: graphical12:54
paspourtoiAdrenal: extra kernels don't take up much space :)12:54
bamaah :D that's fine12:54
GmailYourNickHere: /nick YourNickHere12:54
bami'm going for dinner, bye !12:54
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cardadorahah bam-food12:55
Slackmanhey guys, on boot the *configure network interfaces seems to take for ever12:55
Slackmanany ideas why?12:55
cardadorSlackman: does it hang on something like "syncronizing with npt clock"?12:56
m00seSlackman, or it looks for dhcp server12:56
Slackmancardador, nah12:56
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Slackmanm00se, hmm is there a daemon that does a dhcp lookup if a network cable is plugged in later... ?12:57
Slackmani.e can i get rid of that script on start up12:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: does ubuntu come with anything to manage dialup (gnome gui wise)12:58
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danielsLathiat: there's a gnome ppp dialer thingy12:58
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: i mean on the disk12:58
danielsbut I don't know how well that actually *manages* connections12:59
danielsi think you need pppconfig12:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) cus i installed gnome-ppp12:59
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) seems pretty nice12:59
Slackmandaniels, does that work for usb dsl modems too?12:59
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) if i can find the usb cable for my mobile01:00
danielsSlackman: i think that's pppoeconf01:00
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) i was chatting on irc driving down the freeway today , such a geek :)01:00
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) its cool the three 3G gprs only has like 200ms rtt, as opposed to GSM gprs whcih is usually 700-1000ms - so ssh is nicely usable01:00
Slackmandaniels, carp...UK uses PPPOA ...i have it configured via a script, but i was hoping there was a gui tool so i could let my gf use linux01:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Lathiat: nice..01:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) albeit at 0.4c/kb making it 2c just to open the ssh session :)01:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Lathiat: too bad my operator doesn't do 3G yet :(01:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Treenaks: heh01:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) though they're "working on it"01:01
danielsSlackman: i'm honestly not sure -- maybe there is.  i've just never had to use pppoe myself.01:01
danielsLathiat: on irc ... while *driving*?01:01
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: oh mum was driving, not me :)01:01
Slackmandaniels, thanks01:01
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) daniels: wouldn't that be cool? :)01:01
m00seSlackman, there is no dhcp daemon, dhcp client is launched only one during system start01:02
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gr13hello! could anybody help me with login in ubuntu?01:02
danielsTreenaks: until you crash01:02
FartClonehello room01:02
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) daniels: text-to-speech, speech-to-text01:02
FartClonemy "locate" doesn't seem to work01:02
paspourtoiFartClone: sudo updatedb01:03
FartCloneah of course01:03
m00seSlackman, you can check in /etc/network/interfaces if you have dhcp enabled01:03
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cardadorgr13: just ask01:03
Slackmanm00se, k thanks i'll check it01:03
bar1hello i can't login to my synaptic packet manager01:04
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cardadorbar1: why?01:05
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: hrmm, well if it dropped to the tray itd be half-decent01:05
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) having a window floating around kinda sucks01:05
bar1my root password is asked and its allways wrong while it works perfect with the sudo command01:05
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) bar1: You need to use *your* password with synpatic01:06
bar1i have typed every password i ever used in ubuntu nothing works01:06
m00sedaniels, why do maximized windows in gnome cover panels with xcompmgr enabled?01:06
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) bar1: how are you opening synaptic?01:07
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) m00se: because xcompmgr is a hack01:07
JuerdCan someone guide me through downloading sources for debian-installer?01:07
m00selamont, ah, ok :)01:07
JuerdThere's no source tarball, no source debian package01:07
bar1computer->system configuration->synaptic01:07
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) killing metacity after starting xcompmgr helps moalot of things01:07
danielsm00se: because xcompmgr doesn't understand the hints correctly01:07
JuerdThere is a svn repository, but I don't know how to get things off there01:07
sluDGeThello to everyone! got a problem:) i've upgraded the system and a new samba came. I've workaround that /etc/rc2.d/S91samba symlink problem. But now, when I want to enable samba to browse home directories it gives an error like NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME ? any suggestions? I don't if it was working before I've updated. I've just tried this01:08
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setcreativeDamn.  Doing some reading it looks like the only way to get Ubuntu's kernel version working with an NVidia SATA chipset is to recompile the kernel.  I'm going to have to read about this a whole lot more :(  Not the nicest intro to Linux...01:08
cardadorm00se: kill gnome-panel01:09
sluDGeTit's giving the error when i try it with smbclient , when i try from nautilus, it says it cant find it, and maybe it's deleted :)01:09
xukunsluDGeT: If I where you I would try #samba01:10
marcus|setcreative: It worked out of the box on my nforce3.01:10
m00sedoes ubuntu support installation on SATA drives (with nforce3 controller)?01:11
setcreativeMarcus: Really?  Why is everybody saying that it doesn't work on the 2.6.8 kernel version over at AMD Zone?01:11
setcreativeI don't need to install to a SATA drive, just to mount an NTFS one01:11
xukunany one of you guys using nx or freenx?01:11
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m00secardador, thx, i'll try that01:12
cardadorxukun: i tried freenx but cant connect to it01:12
marcus|setcreative: I dunno. I just booted the CD and installed on it. I used gentoo with 2.6.8 for some time too.01:13
bar1this is the fault i get when i want to start the synaptic: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:01:13
bar1 Child terminated with 1 status01:13
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opihi there01:14
setcreativeI'd just assumed that the nf3 SATA thing was the problem since virtually every distro I've tried other than Ubuntu basically just won't work, and there's really very little else in the machine other than an nf3 250gb chipset, a bunch of disks, sound card and video card. Fedora won't even get as far as the media tester, Mandrake hits incredible speedbumps and Mepis can't write the bootloader.01:14
sluDGeTxukun: thanks :) i'll try01:15
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setcreativemarcus: What does your fstab line for that SATA disk look like?01:15
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marcus|/dev/sda3       /               reiserfs defaults        0       101:16
marcus|/dev/sda1       /boot           ext2    defaults        0       201:16
marcus|Dont you mean dmesg?01:16
xukunsetcreative: did you have only sata disks on your system?01:17
setcreativexukun: Nope, only two.  One PATA, two SATA.  OS is installed on PATA.01:17
xukunsetcreative: so what is the problem?01:18
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marcus|I only have one SATA disk.01:18
setcreativexukun: Can't mount the SATA NTFS partitions01:18
setcreativexukun: I may be doing something really daft, but I get a message like so: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sd(whatever), or too many mounted file systems01:19
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setcreative... yet a virtually identical (apart from the device) line in fstab is mounting the partitions on my PATA drive OK.01:19
(mjr/#ubuntu) can you see the SATA disks? For example, with fdisk /dev/sda01:20
marcus|Gnome VFS hasnt mounted them then?01:20
setcreativeroot@ubuntu:/home/finn # fdisk /dev/sda - The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 310101. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Command (m for help):01:21
(mjr/#ubuntu) setcreative, "p" for print01:22
(mjr/#ubuntu) does it show something that looks like the correct partitioning01:22
bar1i've tried to open everyting where you need to be a root like synaptic, network, users and groups. and nothing works with *my* password the same i give in when i log in.01:22
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setcreativemjr: I think you might have just got it.  Excuse me while I a: Try something, and b: Possibly laugh at myself for an hour if I'm right about this...01:23
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cardadorbar1: are you running warty?01:24
setcreativeIt's official - I'm now a moron.  Missed the "1" off of "sda1".  Thanks everybody, you've helped me realise my true status in life :D01:24
xukunsetcreative: :)01:24
bar1no i'm not01:24
xukunsetcreative: good for you01:24
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xukuncardador: about freenx, which errors?01:25
setcreativenow, I'm off to bed.  Thanks a heap for the help, but it's about 2am here and I need to work tomorrow.  I'm now officially free of Windows XP (apart from for audio use, but what can you do?), so I'm happy.01:25
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cardadorxukun: the other pcs are not authorized to connect01:25
m00sesetcreative, i often make similar mistake when running fdisk e.g. fdisk /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/hda :)01:25
bar1wait i dont know what i run i got this disk from a friend01:25
cardadorbar1: warty is the released version of Ubuntu :)01:26
cardadorbar1: then there is an under development one, hoary01:26
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tim1bar1: cat /etc/issue01:27
tim1shows what you're running01:27
aaroncukMy system keeps freezing alot, and everytime i open the screensaver menu.. can anyone help.. its driving me mad01:27
bar1i run warty wartlog01:28
xukuncardador: did you tried this? nxsetup --setup-nomachine-key01:28
cardadorxukun: yes01:28
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kristjanhi all01:29
xukuncardador: can you ssh to the server01:29
bar1but i still don't know why i wont wok to log in01:29
cardadorxukun: i tried it from a windows box01:29
cardadorxukun: dont have putty installed01:29
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aaroncuki have run a memory test and it found no faults with that, could it be open gl???01:29
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cardadorxukun: are you able to connect?01:30
xukuncardador: you should test if ssh is working to the server, becouse nx uses port 22(ssh) to connect?01:30
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polytani've a nicve bug when i'm installing ubuntu on a friend's computer ...01:30
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nonajmehi Friczy01:31
Vince-0How do I get into root from a brnd new install01:31
polytanthe kernel detect a processor at 255 C !!!01:31
xukuncardador: yes, but I,m having other problem, not like yours and I was looking somebody who uses freenx so U ask him to try something for me?01:31
nonajmeVince-0: sudo su01:31
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bar1maybe sombody can tell me how i can open synaptic in a shell maybe that works now i do computer->system configuration->synaptic01:32
NewComerwhat is the loop device in ubuntu?01:32
cardadorxukun: ask who?01:32
AptivaIBMI kinda need some help here. I've tried to install Ubuntu on a IBM Aptiva. But the damn thing won't reboot properly.01:32
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FriczyI have some problems with the installation. I want to put into an existing partition but installer doesn't see the partition01:32
Vince-0nonajme: cant I just change the passwd ?01:32
xukuncardador: yes, but I,m having other problem, not like yours and I was looking somebody who uses freenx so I could ask him to try something for me?01:32
JuerdAptivaIBM: Describe "not properly"01:32
cardadorxukun: ah ok01:32
Vince-0nonajme: did it , shot son01:33
AptivaIBMhm... It shows the nice IBM splashscreen, then some lines of text and then it stops completely up and the last word displayed is "boot".01:34
kristjananybody previously used debian?01:34
kristjan(prior to ubuntu)01:34
cardadorkristjan: i did01:34
Friczykremlyn: I still use )01:34
kristjancardador: what made u switch?01:34
nonajmekristjan: i did, but i don't like debian pretty mutch01:34
JuerdAptivaIBM: Anything before "boot"?01:34
JuerdAptivaIBM: Anything after it, like a colon?01:34
kristjanwhy should i be happier as a ubuntu user?01:35
TongMasterbecause you're not using Redhat.01:35
Friczykristjan: the packages are newer in the stable distribution01:35
kristjannonajme: what do you like better in ubuntu?01:35
cardadorkristjan: imagine debian without all the trouble to upgrade kernel, install nvidia driver, etc, etc01:35
Juerdkristjan: I use both vanilla Debian and Ubuntu.01:35
=== TongMaster wouldn;t wish that upon anyone - may as well use windows. :)
Juerdkristjan: Ubuntu for boxes that my dad uses, vanilla Debian for my own boxes.01:35
kristjancardador: i thought so...01:35
joolzI have a problem with preferred applications, text editor01:35
nonajmekristjan: when i selected to install xfree in debian its installad so much of shit....~01:36
joolzI set it to custom editor, select gvim, but ubuntu won't remember it01:36
joolzam i doing something wrong?01:36
TongMasterah, kristjan, I switched from Debian sid to Ubuntu and found it had the end-user expereince down to practically "just works"01:36
nonajmekristjan: and in ubuntu everything runs perfect from scratch01:36
Juerdnonajme: The same "shit" is installed in Ubuntu. Just not with your explicit consent.01:36
TongMasterso I spend no time hacking on my laptop na dmore time hacking :)01:36
Juerdnonajme: Not "everything". Users with Wacom tablets can't use Ubuntu's current kernel.01:37
joolzi consider removing gedit alltogether, maybe that will solve it01:37
kristjanso basically: less work to get it working...01:37
joolzor does anyone have a beter idea?01:37
nonajmeJuerd: but in debian i have many shit daemons active, but don't in ubuntu01:37
kristjancool, so i chose wisely...01:37
cardadorTongMaster: exactly like me01:37
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Juerdnonajme: That boils down to experience, I'm afraid.01:37
Juerdnonajme: And for the less experienced, Ubuntu without doubt is a better system.01:38
xukunguys, is there some kind of secure gui ftp, like sftp? sftp is only console based?01:38
JuerdIt's easier to get working, and still allows the user to do whatever they want.01:38
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nonajmeJuerd: yes, my experience in debian is low. i like gentoo better01:38
NewComerxukun, gftp01:38
xukunNewComer: well thank you01:39
NewComernot sure if secure enough01:39
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kristjannonajme: so why not gentoo?01:39
cardadorxukun: nautilus01:39
NewComeranyone know how to extract an iso image to harddrive?01:39
nonajmekristjan: i dont like to compile so much on a laptop.01:39
xukuncardador: it should be secure01:40
kristjannonajme: thanks, u answered another q...01:40
joolznope, that didn't help: Couldn't display "textfile".01:40
cardadorNewComer: right clik on it, extract01:40
joolzshould I file a bug for this?01:40
nonajmesorry for my bad english, btw01:40
cardadorxukun: nautilus is not secure?01:40
NewComercardador, fileroller crashes01:40
GuyverXT9ubunta is the biggest pile of cockcheese ever known to man, and deserves to be fucked through the skull by a horde of raging midgets01:40
xukuncardador: is telnet sure?01:41
cardadorNewComer: open it with file roller then extract it. sometimes it works that way01:41
NewComercardador, cool, i'll try01:41
joolzGuyverXT9: why midgets?01:41
cardadorxukun: dont know01:41
GuyverXT9they have the biggest weeners01:41
AptivaIBMJuerd: The two last lines it displays is:01:41
AptivaIBMThats it...01:41
kristjanGuyverXT9: u midget?01:41
joolzGuyverXT9: personally I think they just bluff :)01:42
cardadorxukun: how do you start nxserver?01:42
GuyverXT9well, i have a big weener...01:42
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Slackmananyone here know much about the gnome wireless tool? it says N/A, even if i assign an ip address to the wlan card01:42
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) whats newer, 1.0.2-1 or 1.0.2-prev101:43
joolzCan anyone tell me how and where I should set the default text editor?01:43
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) (dpkg/apt-wise)01:43
z4k4ri4Has hoary get universe update yet?01:44
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kristjanby all, have a nice day!01:44
joolzbye all means :)01:44
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JuerdAptivaIBM: Has it ever booted into Ubuntu, or are you currently installing?01:44
aaroncukwhat driver is best to use in x if u dont have a driver for ur gfx car01:45
AptivaIBMCurrently installing.01:45
Juerdaaroncuk: Please type English. "ur" is not a word.01:45
cardadoraaroncuk: what is your card?01:45
aaroncuksorry, lol your01:45
Slackmanheh aolisms01:45
aaroncukProSavag8 - onboard01:45
Juerdarachne: "vga" and "vesa" probably work, but it's best to find a suitable driver.01:46
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JuerdAptivaIBM: Did you get any error message (red screen)?01:46
cardadorjoolz: computer > deskt prefs > preferred aplications01:46
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aaroncuki have tried to use the xfree86 dirver that someone has made for savage cards.. but im getting sytem lockups since installing it01:46
joolzcardador: thanks, but when I put gvim in there, it forgets the setting as soon as i close the dialog01:46
AptivaIBMJuerd: Nope. It just stops not bothering to do anyting more...01:46
joolzmaybe i should do some setting in the registry? /me browsing gconf editor now01:47
z4k4ri4anybody here using hoary?01:47
mirakI was wondering why there is no hardlinks on folders, what is the reason for this ?01:47
aaroncukhmm, there is a command you have to run after dpkg-reconfigure, anyone remember it01:47
JuerdAptivaIBM: Did it announce it'd reboot?01:48
Simeon_WFHi people - I'm at the basic stage at the moment - I'm unable to convince Nero to burn the downloaded image of Warty - it comnplains that the block size may be wrong01:48
z4k4ri4Simeon_WF: have you check the md5 sum?01:49
AptivaIBMJuerd: That it did. It announced, it boots kinda ("Booting Ubuntu, kernel") and stops...01:49
Simeon_WFz4: not yet01:49
z4k4ri4maybe its corrupted01:49
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Simeon_WFz4: could be, I've never had a problem when I've burned images in the past01:50
joolznope, I didn't find it in the gconf editor. This really sucks01:50
cardadorxukun: i can ssh from the winblows box to ubuntu,  but nxserver doesnt work01:50
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xukuncardador: sec01:51
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joolzwuold it help if i looked in all the .gconf, .gconfd, gnome etc directories01:52
joolzi'm getting really homesick for fvwm201:52
JuerdAptivaIBM: What is the CPU in the machine?01:52
aaroncuki have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but theres another command after that to activate the changesd and i cant remember it, any ideas01:53
RubenVjoolz: did you try logging in and out?01:53
RubenVthat capplet is a bitch01:53
joolzRubenV: seriously? no, i didn't. I'll give it a shot01:53
AptivaIBMWell. Not to much. 500MHz I think.01:54
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joolzRubenV: i logged out (with save settings), didn't help01:56
RubenVthen it's time to burn that capplet :)01:56
joolzplease don't say i shout reboot to change such a simple setting :)01:56
joolzRubenV: can i go around the capplet and do the setting somewhere in a configfile? (as it's Meant To Be)01:57
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jonohi all01:57
RubenVjoolz: no idea where it stores that setting01:57
Vince-0where can I add XP to boot it in grub/menu.lst01:57
RubenVone would expect it to be in gconf01:57
balubais it possible while burning in nautilus to set the cd label? i mean the string which identify the medium on subsequents mounts01:57
joolzRubenV: nope, it's not there01:57
jonoI upgraded to hoary last night, and my X.org display seems to be really wavy - it doesnt look like the screen refresh rates are wrong as parts of the screen look fine, it is just the drawn graphics that are really wavy - any ideas?01:57
NewComerhow can i get the root terminal, the one in the gnome menu, only that i'm on xfce01:58
joolzguess i'll do a grep -r on my homedir, last refuge of the hopeless01:58
RubenVNewComer: open a terminal01:58
RubenVand type sudo su01:59
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JuerdAptivaIBM: Bramd?01:59
joolzNewComer: or sudo -s01:59
NewComercool, thx RubenV and joolz01:59
AptivaIBMJuerd: Intel.01:59
JuerdAptivaIBM: Then I have no idea what could be wrong. You can try doing a manual installation, choosing for lilo instead of grub, to see if that makes any difference.02:00
bar1die sudo su lukt bij mij wel ma kan nie aan mijne synaptic via computer system configuration02:00
joolzdamn. I logged out and did a save settings. Now I get 2 gaims when starting up. IIRC this was already borken 2 years ago02:00
AptivaIBMJuerd: So it should work? Well... I'm really not too good at installing manual... give me some hints?02:01
RubenVjoolz: gnome session is one major piece of brokeness02:01
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Juerdbar1: Regardless of the language you choose to type, please try to type words in full. "ma" is "moeder", not "maar".02:01
xukuncardador: sorry it took a while, I must do something02:01
joolzRubenV: you can say that again02:01
JuerdAptivaIBM: Just go with the defaults, and where you get the chance to choose grub, refuse that. The next option will be LILO.02:01
aaroncukwhats the command to remove xserver and reinstall it?02:02
xukuncardador: there is nothing to restart - it's started whenever a ssh connection to nx is initiated02:02
AptivaIBMJuerd: I'll try that. See you in a bit then! :)02:02
JuerdAptivaIBM: It's been a while since I did this, so I'm not sure where exactly in the installer this is.02:02
bar1sorry i'll type it in english i just switched from a dutch forum02:02
Juerdbar1: Dutch is fine with me, as long as it's correct. I don't know if the channel allows it.02:02
Juerdbar1: wat gaat fout als je synaptic opstart?02:03
joolzbar1: niks :)02:03
skarhi, how do i play dvd with the menus, seems mplayer plays the tracks directly :(02:03
joolzoh sorry, read it the wrong way around :)02:03
bar1i just wont to know how i can open my synaptic manager because my password always seems to fail02:03
cardadorxukun: how can you tell if it is working? nxserver --status does not work02:03
Juerdbar1: Which password do you use? The user's or root's?02:04
bar1that's the same because root is set of by default02:04
JuerdNo, it's not the same.02:04
balubait seems nautilus just get the volume-id from the iso itself, so i've got to find how to modify it02:04
JuerdBut yes, you need the user's password. Is that the password you use?02:04
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bar1yes just the same password that i use when i log in02:05
Juerdbar1: Does it contain any non-alphanumeric characters?02:05
bar1maybe that my fault02:05
Juerdbar1: Did you do a Dutch installation?02:05
bar1yes i did02:06
Juerdbar1: Via Desktop preferences -> Toetsenbord -> Indelingen, choose "U.S. English" and then "Toevoegen"02:06
Juerdbar1: Then select "Dutch" and "Verwijderen", "Sluiten"02:06
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Juerdbar1: Ubuntu developers didn't realise that Dutch people do usually not use Dutch keyboards :)02:06
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh that would be a reasonable assumption02:07
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bar1ah thx i'll try it immediately02:07
Juerd(Only IBM stubbornly keeps supplying dutch keyboards with dutch computers, refusing to acknowledge that the dutch layout SUCKS and is HATED. This is why IBM doesn't sell many laptops in .nl)02:07
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(Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha02:08
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JuerdAt least with a non-laptop you can use your own keyboard.02:08
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SlackmanJuerd, can't you just change to another layout...thats what i do now i'm in the uk02:08
bar1now i have a qwerty one02:08
Slackmanwe have uk keyboards, but i just use a us layout02:08
JuerdSlackman: Yes, but then the labels are wrong. Not a problem for those who touch type, but certainly a problem for everyone else.02:09
TalliesinJuerd, you've a marketing issue there. "Don't give Dutch keyboards to the Dutch" makes no sense. "Upgrade to the *new* Dutch keyboard" will convince them.02:09
Juerdbar1: Dutch and US are both QWERTY, but some non-alphanumerics are in different locations.02:09
JuerdTalliesin: Not really.02:09
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: haha, you have a point02:09
JuerdTalliesin: It's by no means an upgrade.02:09
JuerdTalliesin: Dvorak'd be an upgrade. Dutch keyboards, compared to US English, are a downgrade.02:10
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JuerdThey would be useful if they had that one dutch letter "ij" (it's one letter, not two)02:10
JuerdThey don't!02:10
bar1i changed it back to belgian keyboard because i have an azerty keyboard02:10
SlackmanJuerd, yeh learn to touch time...its easier :)02:10
JuerdSo you still have to type "i" "j", and there's no point in having a special keyboard.02:10
Slackmani meant02:11
JuerdSlackman: Learn to touch type *dvorak*.02:11
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) Juerd: ive pondered doing that for fun02:11
joolzbar1: i allways thought a belgian keyboard IS azerty?02:11
JuerdSlackman: www.dvorak.nl is a simple typing course. Takes 10 hours to learn the entire alphabet.02:11
SlackmanJuerd, yeh i can type dvorak, its actually faster...but it doesn't work with games02:11
Juerdjoolz: There's also French AZERTY02:11
JuerdSlackman: I don't play computer games.02:11
TalliesinYes, so you need to tell them that the US English keyboards are the new Dutch keyboard. Or better yet submit a new layout to the ICU database which is like the US Keyboard and has 02:11
SlackmanJuerd, i.e ut2k4 doens't keep key bindings02:11
JuerdSlackman: Not ones that require keyboard input anyway.02:12
bar1yes but juerd made me change it into a us english one and that wast a very good idee:-)02:12
joolzyes i know. I always piss off belgian friend by complaining about their french keyboard :)02:12
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Talliesin(Though I thought ij was considered to letters, but one collation and capitalisation unit, rather than one letter, and that the Unicode  and  were for backwards compatibility)02:12
JuerdAZERTY keyboards suck as much as Dutch QWERTY.02:12
joolzwhat was that again: "every interface more complicated than a nipple sucks"02:13
TalliesinBizarrely my keyboard has just gone to a US-English layout for no reason (so hould be Ireland-English)02:13
JuerdTalliesin: It actually is one letter. But because iso-8859-* doesn't have them, for an entire generation we have now used "ij".02:13
bar1look it cant be that everyting works allright when i log in because then my password works perfect also the special sings and everything and when i want to open the synaptic or anything else my password fails02:13
JuerdTalliesin: Most Dutch don't even know it's one letter anymore.02:13
joolzJuerd: technically it's a ligatur02:13
joolza bit between 1 and 2 letters02:13
Juerdjoolz: Only the glyph is.02:14
Juerdjoolz: It's like  in that way.02:14
JuerdThat's a ligature of a and e, but very clearly one letter.02:14
joolzlike a small hollow square?02:14
JuerdHeh, fix thy terminal :)02:14
JuerdI'm emitting iso-8859-102:14
Talliesin is different.02:14
joolzJuerd: LOL, touche!02:15
joolzTalliesin: yeah, two hollow squares02:15
JuerdTalliesin: Sorry, I don't have a utf-8 capable terminal02:15
Juerdjoolz: Wow, you have a US-ASCII-only terminal?_02:15
joolzno idea, it's gnome-terminal, default install02:15
JuerdThat's *bad*.02:15
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joolzJuerd: you tell me... Just the default ubuntu install02:16
joolzhow can I fix that?02:16
Talliesin unifies both the Icelandic ash (which is a letter, not historically derived from combining a and e) and the  of Latin, old fashioned English and other European languages.02:16
bar1i changed my password and used only letters this time and now it works perfect thanx a lot02:17
TalliesinIn archological  is two letters.02:17
Juerdjoolz: No idea.02:17
JuerdTalliesin: It's archeological.02:17
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JuerdTalliesin: Is Icelandic that language that also still uses  and ?02:18
TalliesinJuerd, gah! If you must avoid letters in English use archaeological rather than that horrible American spelling :)02:18
Vladimir_ubuntuHi, I have installed a Warly and got a little problem because the x server wouldn't launch. I edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and found out that it was due to the name of my screen which is CMC 17" AD, so I had the lines02:18
Vladimir_ubuntuSection "Monitor"02:18
Vladimir_ubuntuIdentifier"CMC 17" AD"02:18
Vladimir_ubuntuSection "Screen"02:18
Vladimir_ubuntuMonitor "CMC 17" AD"02:18
Vladimir_ubuntu, where the " for inches was considered as an ending quote.02:19
Vladimir_ubuntuIs it a known problem ? Is it the right place to post this question ?02:19
Talliesins/avoid letters/avoid ligatures02:19
JuerdArchaic letters02:19
JuerdVladimir_ubuntu: Please to not be floodink.02:19
Vladimir_ubuntuOops sorry, first time I use IRC02:19
TalliesinEh, you can't still use "archaic letters", they aren't archaic if you're still using them.02:20
JuerdVladimir_ubuntu: It is considered rude to paste multiple lines without permission, because it fills entire screens.02:20
JuerdTalliesin: I'm not using them :)02:20
JuerdTalliesin: ae, d, th work well :)02:20
TalliesinNot in Icelandic they don't02:20
JuerdVladimir_ubuntu: Anyway, report the bug at bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org02:20
Vladimir_ubuntuI'm very sorry, won't do it again ;-)02:21
JuerdTalliesin: I was told that it's very understandable02:21
TalliesinJuerd, I was told that it's tolerated because they figure they can't expect us foreigners to do things right :)02:21
JuerdTalliesin: That's how ij became i j. All it takes is technology not supporting the real thing. Or foreigners. Let's start a revolution there :)02:22
TalliesinI must look into the ij. I was told (by someone who knows a lot on such things) that they were a collation unit but still two letters.02:24
JuerdNo way they're two letters :)02:24
JuerdWell, ij are. The real character isn't.02:25
TalliesinWhat did they derive from?02:25
TalliesinA ha.02:25
Juerd(And the other way around too: some English Ys are originally IJs)02:25
Talliesinthat seems familiar now you say that.02:25
Juerdij is used for what was ei or y, but not every occurrence. I don't know why some things changed and others did not.02:25
JuerdI believe I read somewhere that English "by" comes from Dutch "bij" which comes from German "bei".02:26
TalliesinNow I remember what I was told.02:26
JuerdLikewise: eis -> ijs -> ice02:26
Talliesinij is one letter that came from y but some of the root words had ei (two letters). Yep, it's all coming back.02:26
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aaroncukcan someone help me with X.. its crashing loads.02:28
aaroncukhave tried uninstalling and reloading it02:28
Juerdaaroncuk: Has it ever worked correctly since you installed Ubuntu?02:28
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Juerdaaroncuk: Then restore the backup you made before you began messing around.02:29
Juerdaaroncuk: You did backup, right?02:29
Ycrosanything you haven't backed up you are willing to lose02:29
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JuerdAnd all was quiet.02:30
aaroncuktheres not alot on the system.02:30
aaroncuki only installed it 2 days ago02:30
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aaroncukwill have to reinstall some annyoing daemons tho lol02:31
AptivaIBMJuerd: The install went ok, but the boot failed again. Lilo only says that bios memory ok, and stops...02:31
aaroncukbasically it seems to freeze whenever i try to load the screensaver menu or the screen resolution menu02:32
JuerdAptivaIBM: That's not something LILO normally says :)02:32
JuerdAptivaIBM: I'm sorry, but I have no idea what's wrong with your system.02:32
seadogCan somebody tell me which is the procedure so that stuff that is not in debian packages can be included in ubuntu (like translations of firefox)?02:33
AptivaIBMIt worked fine when I installed it on the laptop...02:34
aaroncuki think im just gonna reformat02:35
aaroncukneed to make sure that it is x causing it, not a hardware fault02:36
Juerdseadog: Add "universe"02:36
Juerdseadog: Using synaptic or a text editor.02:36
Juerdseadog: Add it to where "main restricted" already are.02:36
JuerdOr, possibly, uncomment the line that has "universe"02:36
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seadogjuerd: hmmm I didn't explain well enough. Those packages don't exist, I just want some stuff, which does not exist in packages (not even in debian), to be included in ubuntu02:39
JuerdInstall it as you would on a non-debian system02:40
JuerdOr make debian packages02:40
seadogjuerd: ok I want the procedures so this stuff gets added in ubuntu repositories :) Is there a wiki page or something? Should I add them in DesktopSeed for example?02:41
JuerdThen I absolutely have no idea.02:43
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seadogJuerd, ok thnx anyway :)02:44
seadoganyone please?02:44
agwibowodoes anyone know alarm application in ubuntu?02:44
agwibowosomehting like kalarm in kde?02:44
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balubaseadog, have you read carefully on the site?02:44
RubenVyou could use evolution02:44
agwibowodoes it play sound as well?02:45
agwibowokalarm can execute program, so i can play music as for my alarm02:45
agwibowo(i used it as my wake up alarm)02:45
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agwibowomaybe i have to use the command line cron jobs..02:47
m00seagwibowo, yes, evolution can play sounds02:47
agwibowowhere about is the alarm?02:48
Riddellagwibowo: xmms-alarm02:48
seadogbaluba, can you point me a url?02:48
Riddellagwibowo: or kalarm02:49
agwibowoRiddel : that beats the purpose of using gnome based distribution02:49
m00seagwibowo, go to claendar view, schedule an event, make it recurrent and set up an action for this alarm02:50
balubaseadog, i'm looking myself if there's an howto or something... but probably not. you may look in bugzilla if request for new packages are listed there02:51
agwibowom00se: how to set up the action?02:52
m00seAgrajag, at the bottom of the event editing window you have alarm checkbox and customize button02:52
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shampooHi everyone02:53
agwibowoah i know02:53
seadogbaluba, someone in translators list suggested that to fill bug reports but I've read in the wiki I think that bugzilla shouldn't be used for package requests.02:53
shampooanyone know if a image viewer that can do a slideshow with fade in and fade outs ?02:53
m00seclick the button and add an action selecting play a sound type02:53
seadogbaluba, I haven't found any howto either.  I' ve asked the some question in developers list and I didn't get an answer02:54
agwibowoevolution doesn't seem to play the mp3 song i want02:58
RubenVdecode it to wave02:58
balubaseadog, in some projects bug submitting are used for a broad range of needs, well beside bug resolutions. here i don't know, so keep investigating02:58
RubenVor hack gstreamer support into evo ;)02:59
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agwibowohow to decode to wave?02:59
m00seagwibowo, or change action type to 'run a program' and use mpg321 with path to your mp3 as an argument02:59
m00seor any other mp3 player03:00
Neillhi. I'm having problems getting xforwarding to work over ssh03:00
Neillboth ends are ubuntu....03:00
NeillI'm getting cannot connect to display errors.03:01
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agwibowoany command line mp3 player?03:04
iminjAnyone know where I can find support to configure mozplugger? Their website isn't very informative03:04
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agwibowodoes anyone know any command line mp3 player?03:05
kristjanwhat is the equivalent command to fedora's 'service' in ubuntu?03:07
iminjAnyone here ever tackled "mozpluggerrc" .. to configure multimedia streams via mozilla or firefox?03:07
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oneste1hi... just installed ubuntu and have a question03:08
seadogbaluba, ok03:08
iminjI'll try again later .. thanks everyone.03:08
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agwibowothat's it03:09
agwibowoalarm based on crontab03:09
agwibowothx everyone, and good night!03:10
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oneste1how do i add a screen resolution to the selection shown in "change screen preferences"03:11
oneste1can anyone here help me with configuration questions?03:13
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kristjanis there a command to start-stop-restart services in /etc/init.d in ubuntu?03:15
balubathat's one thing i hate, people asking and leaving immediatly after03:16
m00se/etc/init.d <service> start|stop|restart03:16
m00sei mean /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart03:16
kristjanm00se: :) i posed a stupid question...03:16
kristjanhow can I connect to a wireless net, that uses 128-bit WEP?03:17
kristjanm00se: i could probably make an alias to that to have fedora's "service" cmd..03:19
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nab_i wanna make Firefix to make a PDF file when printing but the only printer device i get listed in firefox is PostScript/default.  In texteditor i can print to pdf :(03:21
m00sekristjan, probably, what does this service command actualy do?03:21
kristjanm00se: instead of typing /etc/init.d ...... you just type service <service> start|stop....03:22
ermoDamn. The default ubuntu setup is just _awesome_. Just fired up emacs just to try it. And lo and behold, it was the gtk version. And setting the options I wanted was a breeze. *bows in gratitude*03:22
balubanab_, print a ps and then ps2pdf03:22
nab_baluba, ill keep that in mind as last resort, thanks03:23
m00sekristjan, so a trivial shell script will do03:23
m00selike /etc/init.d/$1 $2 :)03:23
kristjanm00se: yes.03:23
m00seermo, no default setup sucks because it doesn't include vim-gtk :D03:24
ermom00se, I see :) And it's not installable in main?03:25
m00seit's installable, but not installed by default03:25
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Shadow2ubuntu warty setup is giving me errors when adding a user, problem being the error flashes up too quick. Any ideas?03:30
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Shadow2ah i can read "group <username> does not exist"03:31
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ivarq: is it possible to add a repository to synaptic but use it for a limited subset of packages ?03:35
ivarie: I'd like to install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/jsvc03:36
ivarbut I don't want to mess anything else up..03:36
cardadorivar: add it, install what you need, then remove it03:37
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ivarcardador, but that means foregoing any updates right ?03:38
Matt|hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?03:39
cardadorivar: dont know what foregoing is, im not a native english speaker :)03:39
Matt|cardador, giving up03:39
cardadoroh, thanks Matt|03:39
ivarcardador, to abandon :)03:39
cardadorivar: add it to the repositories, press reload, install it, then take it out of the repository03:40
Matt|anyone help with that xorg problem?03:40
ivarcardador, ok.. thanks ;)03:42
Shadow2i'm getting the error "groupdel: group <username> does not exist" when i go to add a user during ubuntu warty install (after reboot)03:44
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adnanshmm, why does ubuntu wait for the networking config during bootup?? I don't have any weird NFS like structures, just me laptop?!03:44
ermoivar, that's a pretty advanced operation (behind the scenes) however.03:44
ermoivar, so you'd have to make sure that required ubuntu packages are not forced off your system.03:45
ivarermo, yeah, it's appearing that way03:45
ermoivar, have you considered installing it in /usr/local instead?03:45
ivarit doesn't even appear to be installable03:45
ivarermo, yeah.. i'm thinking a local install would be best...03:45
ermoivar, I know it sounds dumb, but in that way, you could make it depend on the proper ubuntu/debian packages. Plus, there exist a util (also apt-gettable from universe) to manage /usr/local installs03:46
ermoexists, even. Can't remember it's name but I've looked at i briefly before.03:46
ivarermo, what's it called..03:47
ermoivar, beats make uninstall, that's for sure.03:47
ermoits' name even.03:47
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ermoivar, in a sense, we all are.03:47
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ermoivar, I did, at one point, experiment with using apt.conf to tightly control access to debian unstable (I wanted samba 3.0pre packages)03:48
ermoivar, so it's doable if you're careful and don't mind reading through the apt documentation.03:48
ivarermo, it looks like my efforts are futile anyway.. i've got x86 and it appears they've only got a powerpc version03:49
ermoivar, when you install something, you'd have to append an apt-get -u <whatever> to specify that you want packages from your non-standard repo. If you couple that with clever pinning, it's doable.03:50
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ermoivar, but I'd advise against testing the solution on a production system ;)03:50
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ermoivar, is it binary only?03:51
ivarermo, at this point no one should let me near a prod system..03:51
ermoivar, hehe03:51
ivarermo, i'm not totally sure - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/jsvc03:51
ivarermo, looks like it03:52
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Matt|hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?03:52
ermoivar, <quote>This is a part of the Apache Jakarta Project.</quote>03:53
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Gwildori have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?03:53
Shadow2hrm.. i think i figured my problem03:53
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ermoivar, <quote>This package was debianized by Arnaud Vandyck <avdyk@debian.org> on03:54
ermoSam, 09 Oct 2004 17:46:48 +0200</quote>03:54
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ermoivar, so maybe all you need to do is to get a hold of the deb-src and compile it for x86.03:54
ermoivar, if so, you also get complete control over dependencies and can make your own, local ubuntunized jsvc package.03:55
ermoivar, assuming, of course, that you harbor an adventurous spirit ;)03:55
Shadow2i love it when an idiot problem is solved by the idiot that managed it (me)03:55
ivarermo, i guess we'll see..03:56
ermoShadow2, are you familiar with the term 'teddy'? It's when you sit down and talk it over with your teddy bear and try to explain the problem. It works wonders as you can see.03:56
melaniehow can i install mod_mono?03:56
Shadow2hehe i think i might need one :)03:57
ermoShadow2, in this case 'teddy' was #ubuntu.03:57
ermoShadow2, which, IMO, is absolutely fine.03:57
Gwildori have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?03:57
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Mitariohello evereyone03:58
Mitarioanybody using vnc with gnome/vino and windows realvnc/tightvnc?03:58
Talliesinermo, Shadow2, there's actually a teddybot on freenode for just that purpose.04:00
ermoTalliesin, really? Cute. in #teddybot?04:01
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Talliesinin #swhack, but you can msg it directly.04:01
Talliesinsee http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/teddybot04:01
ermoTalliesin, roger. Thanks.04:01
TalliesinWe find it useful, has solved many of my problems.04:02
ermoTalliesin, we as in 'us server ops'?04:02
TalliesinI wish!04:02
TalliesinUs as in regulars in #swhack, where teddybot lives04:02
ermoTalliesin, knowing from experience the denizens of freenode, I get the feeling that being a freenode op is not all good n dandy...04:03
Matt|hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?04:03
TalliesinKnowing from experience the denizens of quakenet, undernet and dalnet, it could be a lot worse ;)04:04
ermoTalliesin, point taken :D04:04
willwaht did you say Teddybot: ?04:06
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kristjananybody here with little wireless lan experience?04:10
Gwildorjust ask your question04:11
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paul__I just installed Ubuntu and feel rather last as I have no idea how to su to root as I do not know the password.  I sure cannot recall setting a password for root?  Any idea?04:18
Hitch-HikerYou dont in ubuntu04:18
plasmotheres no root enabled by default04:18
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Hitch-Hikerthe first user u set up is an admin one04:18
Mitarioanybody knows why when workinig rmote via vnc and vino i cant insert capital lettrs ini gnome apps but 'xev' shows them to me fine04:18
Hitch-Hikersudo <command>04:18
melaniesynaptic icon disappeared after hoary update. how can i get it back?04:18
Hitch-Hikerit'll ask for the admin password04:19
paul__but I am not able to make changes to my net config?04:19
Hitch-Hikerwhich is the pw for the first user you set up04:19
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m00sepaul__, by default you use sudo to run commands as root or sudo -c to get root shell04:19
m00seyou can run sudo passwd to set password for root04:19
Hitch-Hikerwhenever a window pops up for a password i.e. synaptic04:19
m00seand then use su04:19
Hitch-Hikeruse the first user pw04:19
Gwildori have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?04:22
Gwildorlast time i ask....promise04:22
plasmommmm try this. not sure if itll work04:22
JuerdET phone h... nah, not funny.04:22
plasmokillall esd04:22
Gwildorenemy territory, first person shooter04:23
m00seET == enemy territory?04:23
Hitch-Hikerwhats et short for?04:23
Gwildorvideo game04:23
m00seGwildor, then kill esd04:23
Hitch-Hikerhe's got little legs  :)04:23
Gwildormoose, ?04:23
paul__sorry, but I am rather confused now.  I cannot sudo because it asks me for a password I do not know an pw does not work as password.  How do I set the root password?04:23
plasmokillall esd04:23
Hitch-Hikerit wants your paswsword04:23
Gwildorpaul__,  use your user password04:23
usualpaul__, it wants the password for the use04:23
Gwildorpaul__, what you log in with04:23
usualbah i can't type04:23
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Gwildormoose, or whoever, killall esd, what is that gonna do?, and what do i do after that?04:24
plasmoprobli esd is using your sound04:24
Hitch-Hikerit kills the esound daemon04:24
Gwildorlet me post the message that et gives me, see if you still think that killall esd will work04:25
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paul__OK, got it. Thanks.04:25
Gwildor------- sound initialization -------04:26
Gwildor/dev/dsp: Input/output error04:26
GwildorCould not mmap /dev/dsp04:26
Gwildorstill think i need too  killall esd04:26
Hitch-HikerI get that with UT200404:26
Hitch-Hikerand Mplayer04:27
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Gwildorplasmo, every time i play?04:27
plasmou could04:27
plasmoto turn it off . go to computer > desk perf > sound . untick sound server04:27
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Gwildordo i need it?, what exactly did i just disable?04:27
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plasmodisables system sounds like clicking noises and stuff :s04:28
Gwildornow i have another question, since i browsed thru ET messages04:28
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Gwildorim in hoary, and XORG, but the messages that ET spits point to Xfree04:29
aaroncukis hoary as stable as warty??04:29
Gwildoreww, and my vid card is set to axp 1x, gonna have to fix that04:29
paul__OK, next question.  For some reason my screen res is 840x600 and I cannot set it using the GUI tool to 1024xwhatever 'cause 800x640 is the highest res option.  Is there a way to do this via the GUI or should I do it from the shell somehow?04:30
Gwildoraaroncuk, im not having to many terrible problems, just slight, and im a newb, so i cant fix on my own04:30
topyliaaroncuk: not really. most notably, evolution is broken04:30
Gwildorreally, i dont use it anyways04:30
aaroncukhmm best stick to warty for now lol04:30
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willsay i want to complie a program, do i simply type make in its dir? are there any special switches i need?04:31
plasmopaul: sudo gedit/etc/X11/XF86Config-4.conf or xorg.conf04:31
Phr0stBytewill: ./configure > make > sudo make install04:31
plasmoapt-get install checkinstall :)04:32
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Gwildorumm, xorg.conf is empty, but ogra told me i was using xorg, was he wrong?04:32
rizCan everyone who uses firefox confirm it supposed to take up about 100MB memory even with 1 tab open?04:33
rizcoz that sucks04:33
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plasmomine says about 73mb04:33
topyliGwildor: try 'X -version'04:34
rizis there anything that can be done to minimize the memory usage?04:34
aaroncukhow do i stop X runnin by dfault, dont want it running on my server once its set up04:34
rizIve tried disabling memory cache04:34
topyliaaroncuk: uninstall GDM04:34
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Gwildortopyli, doesnt say XORG outright, but it does point me to gwildor@ubuntu:~ $ X -version for problems04:35
Gwildoropps, copied wrong thing04:35
rizJust checked mine is 87.5MB when I start it with 1 tab, its still a lot of memory04:35
usualis ubuntuforums down?04:35
Gwildortopyli, http://wiki.X.Org for problems04:35
usualanyone know a url for a human xmms theme04:36
topyliGwildor: ok, i don't think xfree would give that advice :)04:36
Phr0stByteHeya LinuxJones04:36
(mir/#ubuntu) Anyone knows when Mozilla FF 1.0 will be released in Ubuntu??.. Do I have to w8 for Hoary ?04:36
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Gwildortopyli, but my xorg.conf is empty, less i used the wrong path, can you toss the correct path for xorg.conf?04:37
rizyeah you have to wait for Hoary04:37
Gwildormir,  hoary04:37
plasmoff 1.0 wont be released in warty04:37
rizbut you can update your repository04:37
Phr0stBytemir: I dont think it matters, being that you can update it from the application...04:37
topyliGwildor: no, this is a warty box04:37
rizto get the new version04:37
Gwildormir,  after a release, all new stuff goes to next release04:37
Gwildortopyli, kk04:37
aaroncukwhats python newt... my ubuntu installation is stuck on 'setting up python-newt'04:37
Gwildoranyone know the correct path to xorg.conf?04:37
rizor download it from www.mozilla.org04:37
(mir/#ubuntu) Ok.. Anyone running hoary here?..04:37
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willPhr0stByte: is that the complete command(all 1 command?)04:37
Gwildormir, i am04:38
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Gwildorplasmo, thnx04:38
aaroncukthe cursor is flashing but its not doing alot04:38
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Phr0stBytewill: no04:38
(mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: Any serious problems ?04:38
Phr0stBytewill: three seperate commands04:38
Gwildormir, evolution is broke04:38
Gwildortopyli, i fibbed, its not empty :)04:38
kensaiis ubuntuforums.org down?04:38
rizGwildor,  is that it? Does'nt it like screw up everything, like X sever?04:39
topyliGwildor: found the real file now?04:39
Gwildormir,  thats about it, that i can find, but im a newb04:39
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(mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: I can live with for a couple of weeks04:39
Gwildorriz, nope04:39
Gwildorriz, didnt for me04:39
Matt|evolution works fine here04:39
plasmoyeah i think the forums is down04:39
Gwildortopyli, yup, got the REAL file04:39
(mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: Maybee I should try it.. Anyone else with experiance from Hoary?....04:39
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willPhr0stByte: whats a good c complier?04:39
Matt|mir, yeah it's fine04:40
tom`I have a monitor that squeals when under X (but not when sleeping or when at a console). Any chance fiddling with XF86Config could fix this? (the squealing seems to have started since moving from debian sid to ubuntu)04:40
topyliriz: it works right now except for evo, but you never know what will break tomorrow :)04:40
plasmojust apt-get install build-essential04:40
Phr0stBytewill: g++04:40
RubenVwill: gcc ;)04:40
plasmoall the stuff u need for compiling04:40
Matt|what's all this about evolution? it's working fine04:40
riztopyli, ah ok, I thought I read in the forums of people updating and having to install Warty again04:40
Gwildormir, i dont use evolution, so i dont mind, and sed was broken a few days ago, but fixed quickly04:40
Matt|Gwildor, goddammit evolution is working fine04:40
Gwildorriz, only time i have to re-install is when i try the binarydrive wiki howto04:41
topyliriz: depends on what qualifies as "broken" for you04:41
(mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: I will give it a try.... Thanks04:41
GwildorMatt|, i didnt know, someone else said that a bit ago, i dont use it, was just relaying info04:41
Matt|Gwildor, no it's fine04:41
rizgwildor, topyli: is there a performance increase? Or significant advantages in upgrading?04:41
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GwildorMatt|, hoary?, i will maek a note to tell ppl when they ask04:41
Matt|riz, not really. The advantages are that you get recent packages04:42
willwhat has happened to Evolution in hoary?04:42
Matt|will, nothing it's fine04:42
willworks 4 me!04:42
Matt|will, just the rumour mongerers ;)04:42
topyliriz: i'll upgrade my production boxen only once gnome is stable. otherwise i don't care really04:42
Gwildorriz, i lost a few fps, but im too scared to mees with X to fix it04:42
Phr0stBytetopyli: here here!04:42
rizah ok, when will suport and new packages for warty be dropped completly?04:43
ermoMatt|, is evo still in C in hoary?04:43
topyliwill: evolution crashes sometimes. and imap is b0rken too. or that was the situation when i downgraded :)04:43
Gwildorriz, 18 months?, or is that just security?04:43
Matt|ermo, huh?04:43
willthis ./configure is taking ages!04:43
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) riz: 18 months for security, new pakages etc arent done at all now and all work goes on in hoary04:43
(Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: alo tof them do04:44
plasmowill : lol04:44
rizGwildor, I meant generally, as in all update, security and tohers04:44
paul__I am unable to find xorg.config or any config files in X11 where I can set my screen res!? Any ideas04:44
willso is ./configure related to the dir im in?04:44
Gwildorriz, seems that only security updates for warty now, everything else goes in hoary04:44
plasmoprobli you are running xfree86 then04:44
willand what does it do???04:44
ermoMatt|, nevermind. I was referring to the fact that evo will be ported to C#/Mono in due time.04:44
Matt|ermo, you have to ask the developers about that04:44
ermoMatt|, roger.04:45
rizcool, thanks for your help everybody! bye, ps Ubuntu rocks!04:45
topyliriz: in 18 months from warty release, you must upgrade04:45
riztopyli, as in a forced upgrade?04:45
topyliyes. no more bux fixes04:45
plasmono more support :)04:45
rizmakes sense04:45
topylibug even04:45
Gwildortopyli, riz, dont have too, just that is the end of the line for warty04:46
topyliGwildor: of course, you can continue patching packages yourself :)04:46
Gwildortopyli, yes, i just wanted riz to be clear that he doesnt HAVE to , as in he is not being forced, he has a choice04:47
topyliGwildor: sure. it's hadrer to keep patching windows 95 than an old linux distro =)04:47
topyliharder that is04:48
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ermotopyli, and a lot more pointless.04:49
paul__OK, I am still lost with the sreen res.  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 lsit all the relevant screen resolution options and it is not clear where I should change anything yet the GUI tool only gives me an option between 800x600 and 640x480?04:49
Gwildortopyli, i understand, just wanted riz to be clear04:50
Gwildortopyli, he asked FORCED UPGRADE, and you said YES, but its not really forced04:50
Gwildorall done04:50
topyliGwildor: sure. there's no quarrel here, we're nitpicking really :)04:50
Gwildortopyli, good, i hate to feel like im arguing :)04:51
aaroncuk grr trying to reinstall ubuntu and its stcuk on the setting up python-newt line.. cursor is bliking but it aint doing anything04:51
plasmoadd in other resolutions "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" etc04:51
topyliGwildor: hehe. me too, particularly whan i'm supposedly not :)04:52
Gwildortopyli, exaclty, i didnt think we were, but i dint want you too04:52
plasmoaaroncuk : maybe a corupt cd :/04:52
aaroncukive installed ok from it before.. its got past the main install its just installing all the files that its downloaded04:53
topyliGwildor: we're so friendly it04:53
topyli's sickening =)04:53
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Gwildoraaroncuk, is it a downloaded file, or was that on the disk?, maybe hter is a dirty spot on the disk04:54
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aaroncukeek! i dont want to install it again lol!04:55
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Gwildorim on #504:55
aaroncukthis will be 3 today lol04:55
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Gwildorwhat do you do to break your install?04:55
Gwildorhi hi04:55
tosthello guys, i wanted to install ubuntu linux...04:56
Gwildortost, do it04:56
plasmodo it.. do it..04:56
tostyeah but i need any informations about it...04:56
Gwildorask away04:56
Gwildorwere all friends here04:56
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tostyeah great community i see04:56
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Gwildori guess you could start at www.ubuntu.com, bring any further questions here04:57
tosti need a good faq (maybe in german) or is this in topic really good ?04:57
plasmoahhh german04:57
Gwildorsite is in english,04:57
tosti have no idea, what ubuntu is , so i need some help ;-)04:57
plasmowww.ubuntuusers.de/ for you germans out there04:57
Gwildorthere you go04:58
tostah thx plasmo04:58
tostwhats the newest version ?04:58
plasmohoary is in development04:58
Gwildorhoary is usable though04:58
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jyssewhat's wrong with ubuntuforums ?04:59
plasmoit seems down04:59
tostubuntu is based on debian ? am i right ?04:59
Gwildorthey still unoficial?, or do they get conocial support now?05:00
pl0vsGwildor, unoficial05:00
tostbut i hope it's easier then debian ;-)05:00
Gwildormaybe thats why they are down, they are moving to canocial?05:00
tom`Somehow X got fubared. I can't seem to find any useful error messages, but gdm never loads -- /etc/init.d/start gdm gets me a blank screen with the X cursor and an error message about X already running. Can anyone help?05:00
topyliGwildor: canonical support is commercial. they don't want to bother with forums i guess05:01
Gwildortost, only my second distro, its great, been with linux for about 2 monnths05:01
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topylitost: ubuntu is dead easy05:01
tostah ok, i use mdk, and i wanted to install ubuntu on another partition05:01
Gwildortost, go for it05:01
Phr0stBytetost: I am a 4 year Mandrake user and am quite happy with Ubuntu05:02
Gwildortost, must say though, im not leaving05:02
tostyeah yeah keep cool, i'll test it of course05:02
plasmoim pretty new to linux. about half a year now05:02
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plasmoubuntu seems good :)05:02
ermoplasmo, it not only *seems* good. It *is* good. (I'm on my ... oh dear ... 6th year?)05:03
tostPhr0stByte, i wanted to be a club-member, but i doesn't earn lots of money ;-)05:03
Gwildorermo, getting up there?05:03
tom`plasmo: Yep, it took me over a week to fubar my ubuntu system, which is better than what I'd do with most :)05:03
topylitost: i've used mandrake myself since about 7.005:03
Phr0stBytetost: Heh05:03
ermoGwildor, apparently...05:03
plasmoyeah i started out with some live cd distro. then with suse 9.1 . now into ubuntu05:04
tostwhat kernel and kde did it use ?05:04
topylitost: then again, i've used debian for a long time too so i don't really know what a mandrake -> ubuntu transition feels like05:04
ermoguess that means I have a habit. And I once swore to me mum that I'd never get hooked. Oh blimey.05:04
tostkeep cool i install ubuntu of course ^^05:04
tom`yellowdog (redhatish) -> debian -> ubuntu for me. which means ubuntu basically feels to me like debian-done-right.05:05
topylitost: kernel i don't remember. i guess we had 2.2 already. kde was 1.2 iirc05:05
ermotom`, more like 'debian with a sense of direction'. Debian _is_ done right.05:05
Gwildortost, i dont have kde installed so i cant say the version, and im on hoary, gnome is default05:05
Hitch-HikerI thought Suse 9.1 was quite good for a newbie, just a bit of a Fisher Price feel though05:05
tost warty-release-install-i386.iso            20-Oct-2004 01:35  523M             <--- this one ?05:05
Tomcat_which means ubuntu basically feels to me like debian-done-right. <--- my words :)05:06
nonajmeslackware -> gentoo -> debian -> gentoo -> ubuntu for me05:06
topyliGwildor: i think he's asking about the kde in mandrake 7.0 :)05:06
Phr0stByteHitch-Hiker: nice description!05:06
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Gwildorhitch-hikerm thats why i can to ubuntu, i wanted something easy to learn on, but something that i could feel happy with forever05:06
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Hitch-HikerThx :)05:07
Gwildortopyli, oh,.......sorry05:07
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Hitch-HikerYep, same here05:07
Hitch-HikerReally like ubuntu05:07
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Hitch-HikerI've ugraded my repsositories to hoary05:08
tostcan i install the deb pakets from debian ?05:08
Phr0stBytetost: My job payed for it05:08
Hitch-Hikerand updated05:08
Karnaughtost: yes of course..05:08
topyliu-BUN-tooo! we're quite a sweet bunch of fanboys aren't we :)05:08
Karnaughtost: ooh-boon-to actualy05:09
m00seKarnaugh, not 'of course', sometimes debian packages won't work05:09
plasmooh i thought it was U BUN Toe05:09
Karnaughm00se: why not?05:09
tom`I tried to update firefox because it was crashing a goodbit. I believe that's what fubared my X. I'm not trying a massive downgrade of everything back to warty. After all, I went from sid to ubuntu so I could have a semblance of stability.05:09
onestephi... just installed to HD . Sound doesn't work, screen resolution doesn't give option of 1024x768, and my 'other' partition hde1 isn't displayed and won't mount. Any help would be appreciated!05:09
Karnaughplasmo: nope05:09
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m00sebecause some libs can have different versions in ubuntu and in debian05:10
Hitch-Hikeronestep: son't panic, it's all fixable  . . .  .. just not by me :(05:10
Karnaughm00se: dpkg should resolve that05:10
tostbut i can't imagine that the .iso is just 500mb big05:10
onestepI'm a linux NOOB so it's all beyond me too!05:11
m00seKarnaugh, lets say you want package foo from debian which depends on libbar05:11
usualwas the gnome screenshot app removed from hoary05:11
usualor is it a bug05:11
onestepIt all worked soooooooooooo well on the Live disc05:11
m00sebut debian has libbar 1.0 and ubuntu 0.9, chances are foo won't work05:11
Hitch-HikerHange around here and your problems will be answered . . . sometime05:11
plasmoits move in gnome util or something. itll be fixed soon i guess05:11
Karnaughm00se: err, so update libbar?05:12
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Hitch-HikerOnestep: have you installed Grub to HDA1?05:12
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onestepWell I hope so, I really don't want to do another 2 hour install! ...lol05:12
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m00sekarakth, but then you'll need libbar from debian, and it may need some other libs from debian too05:12
Karnaughm00se: are you telling me that Ubuntu has its own separate apt mirror?05:12
flodinwhere can I browse the packages available in ubuntu?05:12
onestepgrub installed on MBR05:12
Karnaughm00se: with its own package maintainers and everything?05:12
plasmowell kinda05:12
topylitost: ubuntu is a compact system by default. hence, no cds 2-705:13
m00seKarnaugh, yes05:13
Karnaughm00se: why?05:13
Hitch-HikerOk, I'm assuming you have a dual partition with windows05:13
m00sehoary is more or less tracking debian versions05:13
onestepYes I do05:13
Hitch-Hikerand your in ubuntu now05:13
tosttopyli, yeah but 500mb is not so much05:13
tom`onestep: To see if ubuntu saw your harddrive, you might try dmesg | grep 'hd[a-z] ' and see what shows up.05:13
m00seKarnaugh, because Ubunto is not Debian :)05:13
onestepyes i'm in ubuntu05:13
Karnaughm00se: its heavily based on it isnt it?05:13
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m00seit is05:14
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m00sebut it's not identical05:14
Hitch-Hikerget a console up and type sudo fdisk -l05:14
Karnaughso what exactly is different?05:14
Karnaughthat would effect a package05:14
topylitost: hmm. base system, X, gnome, openoffice, firefox. no games. do the math :)05:14
m00seKarnaugh, depends on the package05:14
Karnaughrather a waste to track the debian mirrors, why not just make it cross compatible05:14
m00sesome ubuntu packages have ubuntu specific patches applied, others don't05:14
tostubuntu use gnome ?05:15
plasmotoat: yes05:15
m00seKarnaugh, but then ubuntu would be debian so it would be pointless05:15
Karnaughtost: no, its teh default, feel free to remove it and use what you like05:15
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Karnaughm00se: exactly05:15
topyliKarnaugh: it's what they support though05:15
m00seKarnaugh, i had this problem with warty05:16
tostKarnaugh, ah ok .05:16
m00sei installed galeon form debian05:16
topylim00se: why05:16
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m00sebut then new version of galeon entered debian, but it was compiled against newer version of mozilla which wasn't avaialable in ubuntu05:16
plasmosleep time ^^;'05:17
Karnaughm00se: and what stoped you from updating mozilla from the debian packages?05:17
flodinwhat is the current version of gnome in ubuntu?05:17
m00seKarnaugh, i was iafraid it'll break something05:18
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m00sesome other mozilla deps05:18
onestepI see hde1 listed, but not sure what to do with info05:18
Hitch-Hikeronestep: when you boot up, does grub give you an option to boot to windows?05:18
onestepyes i get option to boot into windows05:18
Hitch-Hikerbut it doesn't work?05:18
aaroncukok its jammed again!! not good05:19
onestepi can boot into windows. that not the problem. from ubuntu i can't access the windows partition05:19
Hitch-Hikerthats not such a problem05:19
tostnow i download the 500mb file with wget05:19
onestephard tell'in, not know'in !05:19
aaroncukdoes ubuntu totally format the drive on install.. could it be something from a previous install causing my system to just stop installing?05:19
melaniemy synaptic icon disappeared. how can i get it back?05:20
tom`onestep: What format is your windows partition?05:20
onestepfat 3205:21
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Xamuskhello there05:21
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Xamuskdo you know which one is the most updated right now: ubuntu live or gnoppix?05:22
Hitch-Hikerjust need to edit the /etc/fstab file05:22
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onestepwith the live cd i was able to access the windows partition, but with hardrive install i can't05:22
melanieXamusk: take a look at distrowatch.com05:23
Hitch-Hikerso your windows partition is hde105:23
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tom`onestep: Have you tried something like... sudo /mnt/fat32 followed by sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/hde1 /mnt/fat32 (where X is the partition number of your windows partition)05:23
onestepyes windows is hde105:23
topyliXamusk: what do you want to be up to date? gnome?05:23
Hitch-Hikertom: would that add it to fstab too?05:24
tom`Hitch-Hiker: No -- that would let him know if it works. Then I'd add it to fstab :)05:24
Hitch-HikerOKie dokie05:24
onesteptom: i tried mount /dev/ hde1 /mnt/hdei05:24
tom`onestep: What happened?05:24
Hitch-Hikeryou need to create a directory first05:24
eruincursed be my inet connection05:24
Hitch-Hikerto mount over05:24
Hitch-Hikermkdir .mnt/hde105:25
Karnaughm00se: I see now, sorry.05:25
Hitch-Hikermkdir /mnt/hde105:25
onestephitch ihike: i'l;l try that05:25
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Hitch-Hikerthen mount it05:25
Hitch-Hikeras tom said05:25
Xamusktopyli: things in general... cause both are already using gnome 2.8... I'd like xorg too05:26
Xamuskit's a pity none have blender installed05:26
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tom`Hitch-Hiker: So is ubuntu supposed to do all this automagically? I notice it can magically handle my memory sticks... but for my zip drive, I had to add an fstab entry. Perhaps the same goes for windows?05:26
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topyliXamusk: dunno. ubuntu is probably the better desktop, with more packages available05:27
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the_oneI have a big problem with my desktop05:27
Hitch-Hikerdifferent distos handle it differently ;)05:27
tom`the_one: explain...05:27
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eimAnyone in here using Ubuntu GNU/Linux on server systems? I'm considering Warty as a replacement for Woody.05:27
XamuskI'm using debian sid right now... I wanted a good live-cd to use in my vacation05:27
the_onewhen I login it says that it has detected a panel running, and it doesn't show the gnome panels anymore05:28
the_oneluckilly I had some shorcuts to xchat on the desktop05:28
Xamuskwhat? ubuntu uses xorg?05:29
the_oneI just changed some safe settings in gconf after installing some new themes..05:29
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the_onehow do I force the panels to appear05:29
Xamuskdoes ubuntu have k3b? it doesnt appear in distrowatch05:30
Hitch-HikerThe fix was to start a terminal (right click on desktop, "open terminal") and run the command "gnome-panel". They started up again fine ... I checked "Computer|Desktop Preferences|Sessions|Current Session" and scrolled down to confirm that "gnome-panel" has the Style "restart" ... so I stopped the command-line panels (by hitting ctrl-C in the terminal) and the panels vanished, and restarted happily.05:31
the_onexamusk: you can install it later, k3b is not installed by default05:31
Hitch-Hikerfrom the ubuntu website05:31
Hitch-Hikeron panels05:31
Xamuskthe_one: and what is the default cd-burner?05:31
the_onehitch-hiker: will try it your way..05:32
Hitch-HikerNot my way - the ubuntu way  ;o)05:32
the_oneit says: I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit05:32
tom`the_one: THat happens to me occasionally -- the panel thing. I just do a killall gnome-panel and then relogin :)05:32
Hitch-Hikerkill it05:33
the_onewhere's my shotgun...05:33
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the_onesudo killall05:33
Hitch-Hikerkillall gnome-panel05:34
theineWhat's the recommend way of installing real player on ubuntu?05:34
Hitch-Hikerwith sudo probably05:34
Xamuskok... I'm opting for ubuntu05:34
onestepTom / Hitch-Hiker: thanks for the mount help.. it worked! Now, how do I add this to gnomes "computer place" as an icon to mount / unmount ?05:34
the_onesudo killall gnome-panel05:34
Hitch-Hikeryou could mount it atomatically at boot05:34
eimmirak: And? unison works fine?05:34
Xamuskdoes ubuntu support pt_br, like debian?05:34
Hitch-Hikerjust edit /etc/fstab05:34
tom`onestep: Add a line to fstab and it will automatically show up.05:34
the_onehey, it worked!05:35
onestepadd hde1 to it?05:35
the_onebtw, can this happen frequently? any idea why?05:35
Hitch-Hikersee the format of the other lines in the file05:35
tom`onestep: The easiest way is just to copy one of the preexisting lines and paste. Then change it to hde1, the mount point you want, and change ext3 to fat3205:35
onestepoh-k i'm gonna try that... THANKS!05:35
tom`the_one: I've had it happen now and again. No idea why, but i believe it's usually been after I've done an update.05:36
topylieim: i use unison every day, no problem05:36
Xamuskgonna try it05:36
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eimtopyli: Yes, me too. mirak just asked for such a tool before. I use unison to sync my home between my iBook and my x86 workstation.05:36
the_onethank y'all05:36
Hitch-Hikerno probs05:37
topylieim: ah. i use it to sync the desktops of my work and home boxen05:37
the_onewhat a nice thing can our community be :)05:37
topyliover ssh05:37
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tom`Ah -- finally. I got X back! Word to the wise -- don't try to upgrade just a few pieces to hoary. It's not pretty :)05:38
the_onesee you later05:38
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PotajiToi've only updated xorg from hoary and it works nice tom`05:38
eimtopyli: I'm considering to use also rsync to sync my stuff but AFAIK rsync has no support for syncing 'both-ways'.05:38
tom`PotajiTo: Well - I'm glad it worked for you :)05:39
PotajiTowhat was your problem?05:39
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PotajiToi updated to xorg and then installed the nvidia drivers05:39
PotajiTovia apt05:39
Hitch-Hikerare you suppossed to reinstall the ATI graphics drivers after updating to Xorg?05:39
tom`PotajiTo: Not sure what went wrong here, but it was easier to revert than to sniff it out. X stopped starting. No useful error messages that I could find. I had just updated firefox and everything it pulled with it. Then I tried updating to Xorg to no avail.05:39
Vince-0_Linuxhow do I get more apps (like XMMS) into my new Ubuntu ?05:40
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Matt|Hitch-Hiker, it depends05:40
tom`Vince-0_Linux: synaptic or aptitude.05:40
PotajiTowhat is aptitude?05:40
Hitch-Hikerhave you update your apt repositories Vince?05:40
Vince-0_Linuxtom: its all foreign to me05:40
Vince-0_LinuxHitch-Hiker : how ?05:40
Matt|Vince-0, yeah you can use synaptic to add applications, and you need to add repositories using the "settings" menu05:40
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topylieim: i believe rsync will get confused if both ends have changes05:41
eimtopyli: Yes.05:41
algeanyone using skype on ubuntu?05:41
tom`Vince-0_Linux: Synaptic Package Manager is a tool under the Computer menu that will make it all do-able through the preferences menus.05:41
Vince-0_Linuxtom: I am in GNOME, i see no settings menu05:41
algeor for that matter is anyone using skype on any linux?05:41
Matt|alge, no but i've heard it works05:42
Matt|Vince-0, do this. Go to "Computer" --> System Configuration --> Synaptic05:42
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Vince-0_LinuxMatt : shot son05:42
algeI guess I'm in need of help with ubuntu's sound system?05:42
Matt|Vince-0, then go to "Settings" --> Repositories and enable the universe repository.05:42
Matt|Vince-0, then click ok, and click "Reload" and then you can look for all the apps you like05:43
eimIs there a special Ubuntu PPC channel anywhere like #debian-ppc? Thanks.05:43
theineis it possible to tune helix player to play real audio and video?05:43
Hitch-HikerVince-0 : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=17905:44
Hitch-HikerWeb forums are back up05:44
Vince-0_Linuxshot alot doods05:44
topylitheine: you need real player05:44
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eimHow can I reinstall grub? grub-install /dev/hda?05:47
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Vince-0_LinuxSo what is this synaptic reload thing downloading ?05:49
topyliVince-0_Linux: it does 'apt-get update'. it updates the package info so that apt knows what is available05:50
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melaniehow do i have to install mod_mono?05:50
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topylieim: i'm not sure but grub has names like "hd(0,0)"05:53
eimtopyli: There's a grub map file which maps this to /dev/hda or else.05:53
topylieim: ah. well, so far i've never even tried to understand grub-fu05:54
eimtopyli: grub-install /dev/hda should be the solution. I've just to test it.05:54
mirakeim: I realised that unisson must be installed on both side, unfortunely I don't own the root rights on the other side (and the admin is a loser)05:55
eimmirak: You cold eventually compile it from source and install in ~/bin05:56
mirakeim: I will try to do a user install05:56
eimmirak: As far as you're in any case only syncing user-files and user-level running unison session should suffice.05:56
topylimirak: yes, ./configure --prefix=$HOME/lib or something05:56
eimmirak: s/and/an/05:56
algeeim-grub has a command line interface05:57
eimalge: Yes, I know.05:57
algeU can use that to replace you MBR if something like Windows trashed it05:57
algewhat do u mean by re-install05:58
eimalge: ok05:58
algeupdate a boot menu, or re-write the MBR05:58
eimalge: Update the boot menu.06:00
algethats much easyier06:00
balubaunrar is there in restricted?06:00
melaniehow can i find out which apache server version is running?06:00
algeedit /boot/grub/menu.lst06:00
eimalge: Fine. Thanks.06:00
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algeread the comments06:00
eimmelanie: dpkg -l |grep apache06:01
algethere is an auto config setcion, only edit above or below the markers06:01
topylibaluba: either that or multiverse. i think you want unrar-nonfree (better, and more evil)06:01
algeor it'll wipe out your changes if U update your kernel06:01
balubatopyli, i guess too06:02
algekeep in mind that u do-not have to rewright the MBR after you edit06:02
algegrub just reads the menu file on re-boot06:03
algemuch better then LILO :-)06:03
eimalge: Fine. Thanks. What about software RAID support in GRUB? Can GRUB boot from /dev/md* devices?06:03
melanieeim: i have different versions. 1.3.33 and 2.0.5206:03
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melanieeim: how can i get rid of the old one?06:04
eimmelanie: This means you've installed booth 1.3.x and 2.0.x versions.06:04
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algegrub doesnt make very many distintions for different device types, like linux06:04
melanieeim: looks like06:04
AnonBlondehellooo everyone06:04
eimmelanie: dpkg --purge apache-1.3.33 (Or similiar).06:04
AnonBlondei want to know when where the x.org will be put for warthy-06:05
mamo_hello everybody06:05
mamo_one question:06:05