[12:00] <topyli> binarydigit: $HOME/.fonts
[12:00] <ogra> __daniel: what about foasdem ?
[12:00] <ogra> -a
[12:00] <binarydigit> topyli: is there a global directory so all users can use it?
[12:00] <logic> /usr/share/fonts?
[12:00] <binarydigit> k
[12:00] <logic> thats where i put mine anyhows
[12:01] <__daniel> ogra: hmmm, where's the exact date?
[12:01] <topyli> yes, /usr/share/fonts/truetype probably
[12:01] <binarydigit> ah nice thaks
[12:01] <ermo> topyli, maybe he's got a friendly, white, female sysop with natural nipples on watch to take care of him.
[12:01] <ogra> __daniel: just got the invitation: http://www.fosdem.org/2005/index/news
[12:02] <brion> hrm... Anybody gettings hangs at "Starting hotplug subsystem..." with 2.6.8.1-3-386 kernel?
[12:02] <topyli> ermo: rapha? well, he sure did rush to bed quite unexpectedly
[12:02] <ogra> __daniel: 26/27 Feb
[12:02] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) brion: It fails to load the modules for me.
[12:02] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) But it keeps booting.
[12:02] <natex> maybe he lives in a place where it's late.
[12:02] <ogra> Amaranth: pciehp ?
[12:02] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) yep
[12:03] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) and shpchp
[12:03] <ermo> natex, .... naaah. That's a trivial explanation. Mine was better ;)
[12:03] <brion> it also kills my usb keyboard, i have to hit ctrl-alt-del with a ps/2 kbd
[12:03] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) I've just ignored it, doesn't seem to break anything and compiling a new kernel fixed it.
[12:03] <natex> ermo: I agree
[12:03] <__daniel> ogra: hmmmmm, looks bad from what i see... my diploma thesis will be in the last phase :-/
[12:03] <ogra> Amaranth: dont worry, its just a very weird way to tell you you got no such HW
[12:03] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) What is hotplug for?
[12:03] <ogra> __daniel: damned
[12:03] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) hotswapping hardware?
[12:04] <wm_eddie> I discovered what erased my bookmarks!!!!
[12:04] <natex> Amaranth: soft-hardware like usb and stuff
[12:04] <ogra> Amaranth: a lot of modules in ubuntu
[12:04] (mjr/#ubuntu) Amaranth, it loads drivers
[12:04] <wm_eddie> But I'm not sure how to go around fixing it....
[12:04] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) Ok....
[12:04] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) I have USB.
[12:04] <__daniel> ogra: but i'll make a stop when i'm around your area :-)
[12:04] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) My keyboard and mouse are USB.
[12:04] (mjr/#ubuntu) despite the name, it detects also many non-hotpluggable pieces of hardware and loads the appropriate drivers
[12:04] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) They work fine and I can unplug them and plug them back in with no problems.
[12:04] <ogra> __daniel: tell me before.....
[12:04] <agwibowo> hello
[12:05] <agwibowo> does anyone know how to suspend computer in ubuntu?
[12:05] <brion> booting in 'recovery mode' it seems ok
[12:05] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) The modules that fail must be very specific parts of the hotplug system, not the whole thing.
[12:05] <ogra> Amaranth: its in fact a lot more then usb
[12:05] <ermo> 'suspend computer in ubuntu'
[12:05] <ermo> good one
[12:05] <natex> agwibowo: rope and tree ;
[12:05] <agwibowo> ??
[12:05] <agwibowo> what did you mean?
[12:05] <agwibowo> rope and tree ?
[12:05] <ogra> Amaranth: they jsut dont find pci hotplug cards in your system
[12:05] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) natex: That's old-school, get an anti-grav device. ;)
[12:05] <__daniel> ogra: fred will know :-)
[12:05] <ermo> agwibowo, nevermind, we're being silly.
[12:06] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) yeah, i don't have a server. :P
[12:06] <natex> heh
[12:06] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) I don't know of any desktop system with hotswappable PCI cards.
[12:06] <agwibowo> i can do it in suse.. but not in ubuntu..
[12:06] <ogra> __daniel: give me time to clean up a bit..... hehe
[12:06] <agwibowo> anyone??
[12:06] <natex> agwibowo: its in the kernel docs
[12:06] <brion> telinit 5 and it starts up X. :P
[12:06] <__daniel> ogra: but you could help me with my diploma thesis and could go to fosdem :-)
[12:07] <natex> agwibowo: I haven't tried it
[12:07] (mjr/#ubuntu) agwibowo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2620
[12:07] <agwibowo> ii see..
[12:07] <ogra> __daniel: lets see.... need a gui ? ;)
[12:07] <natex> agwibowo: this feature is kernel level
[12:07] <agwibowo> thx!
[12:08] <agwibowo> i'll have a read through it
[12:08] <__daniel> ogra: we'd need to figure out how to do perl- or python-wrappers for a c-library ;-)
[12:08] <natex> agwibowo: most likely SuSE has the appropriate modules loaded and a GUI front end.
[12:08] <ogra> agwibowo: someone wrote a wiki howto...havent tried it though: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[12:09] <agwibowo> ah don't worry.. that sounds scarry
[12:09] <ogra> __daniel: python is easy.... ross burton has made a beutiful writing about it....i will look it up anyway during my python lessons....
[12:09] <natex> heh
[12:09] <ogra> +a
[12:10] <FTTP> i need info on linux distros
[12:10] <__daniel> ogra: there are some guys who'd kill me straightaway if i didnt use gtkmm :-)
[12:10] <FTTP> any isos working for hoary yet?
[12:10] <FTTP> i tried a developmental snapshot of iso before, didnt work :p
[12:12] <agwibowo> ogra: thx! this document seems good!!
[12:12] <ogra> agwibowo: fine :)
[12:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: I'm currently taking a class on C++ and C at the same time
[12:12] <agwibowo> how do i know which power mode my laptop supply, acpi or apm ?
[12:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: well two different classes
[12:13] <__daniel> GammaRay: after half a year of c++, i really like it :-)
[12:13] <ermo> agwibowo, try looking at the output of 'dmesg'
[12:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: the first half year of C++ for me was no different from C
[12:14] <FTTP> ubuntu is the new kid on the block
[12:14] <__daniel> ogra: it was love a fifth sight, wasnt it? :-)
[12:14] <agwibowo> well.. dmesg outputs some lines starting with ACPI
[12:14] <__daniel> GammaRay: you just need to take a look at C and C++ code :-)
[12:14] <ogra> __daniel: py ? yes, hehe
[12:14] <agwibowo> does it mean my laptop supports acpi ?
[12:14] <ermo> agwibowo, unless it says 'disabled' somewhere, then yes.
[12:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: the vast majority of code I care to look at is in C
[12:15] <__daniel> GammaRay: hmm
[12:15] <ogra> agwibowo: look in /proc for acpi
[12:15] <__daniel> GammaRay: most C code still gives me the creeps
[12:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: hmm why is that?
[12:16] <agwibowo> ogra: yes, i can find acpi directory there
[12:16] <ermo> GammaRay, ... because C is only really well suited to a very small subset of what it is currently used for?
[12:17] <ermo> GammaRay, just saying. Don't want to start a troll.
[12:17] <__daniel> GammaRay: all those scary structs over the place and it really takes time to see any separation and structure in the whole
[12:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) gnome xfce4 and 99% of the apps I use (and have access to the source code) are in C.
[12:17] <ogra> agwibowo: is something in there ? if yes then your lappie supports it
[12:17] <__daniel> GammaRay: they shouldnt be in C :-)
[12:17] <__daniel> GammaRay: there's no need any more :-)
[12:17] <ermo> GammaRay, pause for a moment and consider the fact that mr gnome himself would rather use C#
[12:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: feel free to do a massave rewrite, but I'm afraid you would be maintaining it all yourself
[12:18] <__daniel> GammaRay: of course
[12:18] <__daniel> GammaRay: i never intended to do that :-)
[12:18] <ogra> __daniel: is berlios off ? cant reach protosquared.....
[12:18] <ermo> GammaRay, also, if I'm not mistaken, evolution will also be ported to C#/Mono
[12:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ermo: I'm the only mr gnome I care about :-P
[12:19] <ermo> GammaRay, I kinda got that feeling...
[12:19] <ogra> __daniel: ah, got it
[12:20] <__daniel> ogra: what are you about to do?`:-)
[12:20] <FTTP> how do i download latest snapshot for hoary?
[12:20] <FTTP> i fergot
[12:20] <__daniel> ogra: recode it in 30 lines of perl code? ;-)
[12:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ermo: yea it's called individuality
[12:20] <FTTP> im gonna try the newest one
[12:20] <ogra> __daniel: looking at your fingers....wvstreams is new eh ?
[12:20] <ermo> GammaRay, sure.
[12:21] <__daniel> ogra: unfortunately :-/
[12:21] <__daniel> ogra: slaw didnt package it yet, although it should be really easy
[12:21] <__daniel> ogra: it's just debi / debuild from what i see
[12:22] <ogra> __daniel: shold be possible very quickly with deb-make .....
[12:22] <FTTP> ogra u know the link for hoary release?
[12:23] <ogra> FTTP: this one ? https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryHedgehog
[12:23] <jomohke> If I add another user, what decides if they have sudo/root power or not, is it whether they are in a certain group?
[12:24] <FTTP> ogra no the one which had a link to download it
[12:24] <ogra> __daniel: easy... you run deb-make in the sorece tree, edit debian/config and changelog
[12:25] <__daniel> ogra: seems to be the same as debuild / debi :-)
[12:25] <ogra> __daniel: fakeroot debian/rules binary builds a deb for you then
[12:25] <meducha> buenas tardes
[12:25] <meducha> hi
[12:26] <meducha> there are someone who want to helpme
[12:26] <agwibowo> ahhhhhhh
[12:26] <agwibowo> this is so scarry
[12:26] <agwibowo> i won't do it
[12:26] <ogra> meducha: only 272 ppl in this room....
[12:26] <agwibowo> suspend to disk
[12:26] <meducha> what??
[12:27] <ogra> meducha: ask :)
[12:27] <FTTP> ogra wasnt there a link to download hoary iso?
[12:27] <FTTP> it just gives details on how to upgrade, not for the iso's themselves
[12:27] <ogra> jomohke: its decided in /etc/sudoers
[12:28] <meducha> i dont know, which file .iso download from the mirror
[12:28] <ogra> FTTP: i dont have that link.....
[12:28] <ogra> meducha: have you got a pc ? or a mcaintosh ?
[12:28] <meducha> pc
[12:28] <skeff> Are there any good Direct Connect clients out there for Gnome?
[12:29] <ogra> meducha: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso
[12:29] <meducha> warty
[12:29] <meducha> ok
[12:29] <meducha> tanks
[12:29] <meducha> thanks
[12:29] <meducha> one cuestion
[12:29] <ogra> :)
[12:29] <meducha> one more cuestion
[12:30] <__daniel> skeff: i just know dcgui *shrug*
[12:30] <meducha> the commands are the same in this distribution??
[12:30] <ogra> meducha: the same compared to what ?
[12:31] <meducha> with redhat
[12:31] <ogra> meducha: its more like debian
[12:32] <ogra> meducha: do you have special commands in mind ?
[12:32] <Talliesin> meducha, there's also a bittorrent that'll download faster than the straigh web link if you have a bittorrent client.
[12:32] <meducha> yeah is that i hear about this distribtion
[12:32] <meducha> yes
[12:32] <tyrano> is ubuntu newbie and laptop friendly :|
[12:32] <Talliesin> (And put less bandwidth strain on the ubuntu webserver)
[12:32] <ogra> tyrano: absolutely
[12:32] <meducha> for example
[12:33] <tyrano> i was trying gentoo, but the kernel compilation kept locking up :|
[12:33] <tyrano> so the acpi works great in ubuntu?
[12:33] <Talliesin> tyrano, I hope so (see I can tell meducha possibly useful things about the bittorrent, but I'm a complete noob)
[12:33] <ogra> tyrano: you dont need to compile anything in ubuntu
[12:33] <meducha> in redhat for set  the network i type: setup
[12:33] <Juerd> Is there an nntp client in Ubuntu's default installation?
[12:33] <logic> tyrano: ubuntu much less stressfull :)
[12:33] <tyrano> hmm o_O
[12:33] <Juerd> (My dad uses Ubuntu since today, and expects support from me, but I can't run Ubuntu on my system yet)
[12:33] <__daniel> Juerd: you could use pan
[12:34] <ogra> meducha: in ubuntu you open the network manager :)
[12:34] <Juerd> __daniel: Is it user friendly and installed by default?
[12:34] <tyrano> does it have an auto update type command like emerge?
[12:34] <tyrano> cuz emerge seemed pretty cool
[12:34] <meducha> in GUI?
[12:34] <Juerd> tyrano: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade in the Root Terminal
[12:34] <ogra> meducha: yep
[12:34] <__daniel> Juerd: hmmm, not sure... don't think it's installed by default
[12:34] <Juerd> daniels: That's unfortunate. Thanks.
[12:34] <meducha> oooooooooo =)
[12:34] <tyrano> Juerd: and that would update all packages if i wanted?
[12:34] <osiris_22> ok my friend
[12:35] <daniels> Juerd: any time?
[12:35] <ogra> meducha: you can do nearly everything in gui in ubuntu
[12:35] <osiris_22> cant seem to catch aconnection
[12:35] <agwibowo> my keyboard mapping is doesn't work in console....
[12:35] <osiris_22> on linux when he uses his router
[12:35] <Juerd> tyrano: Intelligently, yes. It doesn't upgrade if that causes conflicts.
[12:35] <agwibowo> what should i do?
[12:35] <tyrano> cool
[12:35] <osiris_22> and hes tried fucken with his routers internal settings
[12:35] <agwibowo> it maps correctly in gnome-terminal, but not in console
[12:35] <osiris_22> and nothens working
[12:35] <osiris_22> any ideas anyone???
[12:35] <tyrano> oh and does it have the intel wireless card drivers on the install cd, so i can surf immediately :|
[12:35] <Juerd> agwibowo: In console, type "install-keymap foo", where foo is your keymap.
[12:36] <agwibowo> how do i know which one my keymap is??
[12:36] <ogra> tyrano: which ones ?
[12:36] <tyrano> ipw2200
[12:36] <Juerd> agwibowo: grep kbLayout /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[12:36] <agwibowo> ok.. thx
[12:36] <tyrano> cuz no linux distro i have tried has detected it automagically :O
[12:37] <Juerd> agwibowo: It's usually the two-letter code for your language.
[12:37] <ogra> tyrano: looks good here....the drivers are there.... i have no such hw, but i guess it should work
[12:37] <jirodrigu> thanks ogra
[12:37] <tyrano> sweet i think im sold ;O
[12:37] <ogra> :)
[12:38] <tyrano> i have an asus laptop with wierd hardware and features, so i will have to tweak it im sure
[12:38] <agwibowo> Juerd: thx, it works now!
[12:39] <ogra> tyrano: probably its in here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[12:39] <Juerd> agwibowo: yw
[12:39] <__daniel> i think i'm off to bed guys
[12:40] <Juerd> tyrano: Sold? It's free! :)
[12:41] <voth> can someone help me. it seems i've lost my wastebasket icon in the 'start' bar, is there some way to get it back ?
[12:41] <tyrano> sold me on the idea? ;D
[12:41] (mjr/#ubuntu) voth, right-click on panel and add applet
[12:41] <__daniel> voth: rightclick on the panel -> add to panel
[12:41] <__daniel> *wave in the channel*
[12:42] <luc1f3r> net
[12:43] <meduchas> but there are terminals right?
[12:43] <mojo> Good morning everyone! ^-^
[12:44] <Chibi> morning. D:
[12:44] <tyrano> ubuntu was based on debian right? so do you think bastille-linux would work on it?
[12:44] <Chibi> In theory, any debian package will work
[12:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) in theory, any rpm should work on any rpm distro
[12:45] <Chibi> rpm and deb are much diffrent.
[12:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) not really
[12:45] <tyrano> its not really a package i think
[12:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the details.. but they are very similar overall
[12:45] <tyrano> oh yah it is, my bad
[12:46] <Chibi> RPM's are diffrent across diffrent distrobutions, debs use the exact same format across all distros, and the exact same dependancy checking.
[12:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: rpms all use the same format
[12:47] <Chibi> The only 'diffrent' deb would be one that doesn't place dependancies in it's control file. :/
[12:47] <Chibi> And I've never seen anyone do that, because it's silly. D:
[12:47] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I've seen nothing special about debs that would prevent any of the problems that can occur on an rpm box
[12:48] <Chibi> Unless you force it, a package won't install unless your dependancies are matching, you have no conflicting programs, and your versions aren't mismatched?
[12:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) up till now, there have been only a few deb based distros.. that is the only reason people don't talk about deb hell
[12:48] <Chibi> There are a LOT of deb distros. :/
[12:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) now
[12:49] <Chibi> There were a year ago, too.
[12:49] <Chibi> How long do you consider 'now'?
[12:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) a year ago is just a year ago
[12:49] <Chibi> I consider now two seconds ago, to two seconds from now.
[12:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) 4 years
[12:50] <Chibi> 4 years is a long time. -_-
[12:50] <agwibowo> is anyone familiar with aumix? what's the meaning of IGain, Line, Mix, Pcm, Synth ?
[12:51] <Chibi> They're volume levels.
[12:51] <agwibowo> .... ok... but what's the difference between them?
[12:51] <Chibi> IGain is a software amp. Line is the auxilery or microphone of your soundcard
[12:51] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: rpms have problems because of differently named depends and different software on different distros.. ~you can't say that can't easily apply to debs
[12:52] <agwibowo> oh
[12:52] <_scp> where can I get the .configs from the Ubuntu Kernel source ?
[12:52] <steini> h
[12:52] <steini> hi
[12:52] <_scp> y'know, the .configs they used to build the package
[12:52] <_scp> I grabbed the source, but it doesn't have the configs
[12:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) especially w/ all the "new" deb based distros.. we are bound to have the exact same problems rpm distros have
[12:53] <steini> is Video4Linux enabled in Ubuntu??
[12:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is a reason ubuntu only supports certain repositories
[12:54] <steini> I just plugged in my USB-Radio Adapter (which works perfect with Linux) but I dont get a /dev/radio /dev/v4l/radio
[12:54] <_scp> nevermind, I think I found it... it's in the diff
[12:58] <agwibowo> i have a little problem with aumix...
[12:58] <agwibowo> it doesn't restore the settings i saved everytime i boot up my computer
[12:59] <agwibowo> so i have to manually increase the volume everytime i boot up my computer
[12:59] <agwibowo> is there any workaround for this?
[12:59] <ogra> agwibowo: use gnomes mixer
[12:59] <malte`> or alsamixer
[12:59] <agwibowo> well... gnome mixer does not work
[01:00] <agwibowo> so does alsamixer
[01:00] <ogra> agwibowo: then somethings wrong...
[01:00] <sleon|lap> hi
[01:00] <sleon|lap> i need help by installing linuxant driver on ubuntu
[01:00] <sleon|lap> how to do it?
[01:00] <sleon|lap> linux_headers are installed
[01:01] <agwibowo> how to run gnome-mixer? is it the gnome-volume thingy?
[01:01] <ogra> sleon|lap: wouldnt the slmodem driver do ?
[01:01] <sleon|lap> ogra, hsf modem
[01:01] <ogra> agwibowo: yep, right click it....
[01:01] <sleon|lap> ogra, is it already in ubuntu?
[01:01] <agwibowo> it says "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found"
[01:02] <ogra> sleon|lap: unfortunately not yet, but slmodem is prepared....
[01:02] <agwibowo> i think the problem is that my sound card is bound to /dev/mixer1
[01:02] <agwibowo> so using aumix, i have to manually set it to configure /dev/mixer1
[01:02] <agwibowo> maybe gnome-volume look in /dev/mixer ?
[01:02] <sleon|lap> ARGHL!
[01:02] <ogra> sleon|lap: in the middle: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:03] <sleon|lap> can someone say me how to install linuxant driver on ubuntu?
[01:03] <sleon|lap> thats all i want
[01:03] <sleon|lap> hell
[01:03] <ogra> sleon|lap: install build-essential it brings in gcc and friends....
[01:03] <PotajiTo> wenas
[01:04] <ogra> sleon|lap: your headers are installed ?
[01:04] <sleon|lap> ogra, yes
[01:04] <sleon|lap> ogra, they where installed with ubuntu
[01:05] <FTTP> im burning current hoary development release
[01:05] <ogra> sleon|lap: by derfault they dont
[01:05] <sleon|lap> ogra, ok done that now
[01:05] <sleon|lap> ogra, ok done that now
[01:05] <agwibowo> anyone can help me?
[01:05] <sleon|lap> ogra, i have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:06] <ogra> sleon|lap: ok, looks good....
[01:06] <sleon|lap> now i started hsfconfig
[01:06] <sleon|lap> and it is running :)))
[01:06] <sleon|lap> ogra, thx for the tip
[01:06] <sleon|lap> ogra, is this right?
[01:06] <BeanDip> damnit
[01:06] <BeanDip> mplayer is segfaulting on me
[01:06] <sleon|lap> ogra, NICE it worked!!! you are my best friend now!
[01:06] <ogra> :)
[01:07] <BeanDip> anyone else having mplayer segfaults under hoary?
[01:07] <ogra> agwibowo: try lsmod|grep mixer
[01:07] <agwibowo> null
[01:07] <agwibowo> nothing
[01:08] <ogra> agwibowo: sudo modprobe snd-mixer-oss
[01:08] <FTTP> gonna try todays developmental hoary iso
[01:08] <agwibowo> ok...
[01:08] <FTTP> does ubuntu track with debian ?
[01:08] <agwibowo> then?
[01:08] <FTTP> where the releases are essentially the same?
[01:09] <ogra> agwibowo: your mixer should work
[01:09] <agwibowo> nope
[01:09] <agwibowo> still says that no mixer is found
[01:09] <ogra> agwibowo: what have you done with your system ?
[01:09] <agwibowo> nothing..
[01:09] <sleon|lap> which program under ubuntu is used to dial internet?
[01:09] <ogra> agwibowo: try again lsmod|grep mixer
[01:09] <sleon|lap> i mean some dialer for users
[01:10] <FTTP> uhmm gnome ppp?
[01:10] <agwibowo> yes, it's there the oss-sound blabla
[01:10] <agwibowo> snd-mixer-oss
[01:10] <FTTP> i dont dial so i dont have a clue
[01:10] <FTTP> i want my FIBER :)
[01:10] <agwibowo> my sound works,  but i have to modprobe opl3sa2
[01:10] <sleon|lap> there is no kppp
[01:10] <agwibowo> but that is not recognised my gnome
[01:11] <FTTP> off to reboot and try iso
[01:11] <sleon|lap> what should i use instead?
[01:11] <FTTP> l8r
[01:11] <agwibowo> it is recognised by runnign aumix -I -d /dev/mixer1
[01:11] <agwibowo> not by gnome-volume-control
[01:11] <ogra> sleon|lap: the network tool probably.....
[01:11] <agwibowo> or maybe i have to restart gnome? to restart the gnome-volume manager?
[01:11] <sleon|lap> ogra, where is it?
[01:11] <ogra> sleon|lap: havent used dialup for a long time.....
[01:12] <ogra> sleon|lap: its in the computer menu
[01:12] <ogra> sleon|lap: system tools
[01:12] <sleon|lap> ogra, systen configuration?
[01:12] <ogra> sleon|lap: genau :)
[01:12] <sleon|lap> danke
[01:12] <sleon|lap> :)
[01:13] (Amaranth/#ubuntu) anyone know where the script that updates /etc/resolv.conf is located?
[01:13] <agwibowo> ogra: what should i do now? should i try to restart gnome?
[01:13] <ogra> agwibowo: nope, wait....
[01:14] <sleon|lap> bye bye
[01:14] <BeanDip> anyone want to help me figure out what the hell is causing mplayer to segfault on an updated hoary box?  I have the strace output posted in #flood
[01:14] <ogra> agwibowo: opl3sa2 is a oss module....
[01:14] <ogra> agwibowo: oss is deprecated
[01:14] <ogra> agwibowo: and not used in ubuntu....
[01:14] <agwibowo> ok....
[01:14] <agwibowo> so...
[01:14] <agwibowo> what should i do?
[01:15] <|doug|> I'm having some trouble getting my ubuntu box to print to a laserjet printer on my winxp box, anyone have any ideas?  I can install the printer and it says it prints, but no cigar
[01:15] <ogra> agwibowo: try modprobing the snd-opl3sa2 module instead...but only if the other one isnt loaded...if in doubt, reboot before....
[01:15] <jmhodges> hey.. i need to repair grub, but i can't figure out how to do it from the live cd i have..
[01:16] <agwibowo> ic.. can i unload the already loaded module?
[01:16] <jmhodges> ohh.. i think i know what i did.. n/m
[01:16] <|doug|> I've tried configuring it via http://localhost:631 but I can't figure out the username/password combo... root + my regular user pass doesnt work, nor does my regular username/password combo
[01:16] <agwibowo> ogra: when i do modprobe snd-opl3sa2, it says error, no device
[01:16] <ogra> agwibowo: dont know if it cleans up all its dependencys .... look what gets unloaded with lsmod before and after
[01:17] <agwibowo> it says, no such device
[01:17] <ogra> agwibowo: do you know what kind of card it is ?
[01:17] <agwibowo> yamaha opl3sa something
[01:17] <agwibowo> definitely yamaha and something with opl
[01:17] <skeff> How do configure totem-xine to use ESD ?
[01:17] <ogra> agwibowo: thats only one part....
[01:18] <|doug|> and I can't find anything on the ubuntu wiki... so I have tried to RTFM already, but there is no M to R that I can see :)
[01:18] <ogra> skeff: is this not the default ?
[01:19] <ogra> |doug|:  http://localhost:631  was disabled out of security reasons....
[01:19] <LinuxJones> evening everybody
[01:19] <ogra> hi :)
[01:19] <LinuxJones> hi, ograbot
[01:20] <ogra> hehe
[01:20] <skeff> ogra, well sound doesn't work any way, until I kill the esd daemon
[01:20] <agwibowo> i tried to find in google, it seems everyone with this laptop model is using opl3sa2
[01:20] <ogra> skeff: strange....for me it works....
[01:20] <Gwildor> i am trying to play a dvd, the four feathers, and i get about 30 mins in to the movie, and totem crashes, and ask's if i am trying to play an encrypted movie with out libdvdc22, can anyone help?
[01:20] <Gwildor> i do have libdvdcss2
[01:21] <ogra> agwibowo: give me the model
[01:21] <LinuxJones> mplayer doesn't seem to add a configuration file in my ~ directory :(
[01:21] <cbpye> eek.  Mozilla is in Japanese now.   WTF?
[01:21] <ogra> agwibowo: of your lap....
[01:21] <agwibowo> Tecra 8000
[01:21] <agwibowo> Toshiba Tecra 8000
[01:21] <ogra> agwibowo: heh... got an 8200 in my bag.....
[01:21] <agwibowo> hahah
[01:22] <cbpye> anyone know how to get Mozilla back into English?
[01:22] <|doug|> ogra, yea, I see that now.  the gnome ui for it doesn't seem to do the trick though
[01:22] <ogra> agwibowo: and a good ole sony on my knees....:)
[01:22] <FTTP> daily snapshot gives fatal error
[01:22] <FTTP> in hid
[01:23] <agwibowo> ooo
[01:23] <FTTP> what is module hid?
[01:23] <agwibowo> i found this...
[01:23] <agwibowo> Yamaha 3d sound effect-enabled OPL3-SA3
[01:23] <agwibowo> dunno if that helps
[01:24] <ogra> agwibowo: probably ymf..... try sudo modprobe snd-ymfpci
[01:24] <agwibowo> module is not found
[01:25] <ogra> agwibowo: module is not found ???
[01:25] <agwibowo> very weird...
[01:25] <ogra> agwibowo: it must be there by default
[01:25] <FTTP> ogra i have hid module not found :P
[01:25] <agwibowo> wait2
[01:25] <FTTP> ogra for developmental iso
[01:25] <will> hhhaaa
[01:25] <ogra> FTTP: i dont use hoary
[01:25] <agwibowo> ya very weird
[01:26] <agwibowo> i can find theh file,.... but cannot load it
[01:26] <ogra> agwibowo: should be there /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/sound/pci/ymfpci/snd-ymfpci.ko
[01:26] <agwibowo> yes it's there
[01:26] <agwibowo> but modprobe says module not found
[01:26] <ogra> agwibowo: try uname -r
[01:27] <agwibowo> 2.6.8.1-3-686
[01:27] <ogra> hmm
[01:27] <ogra> weird
[01:27] <aigarius> hi all
[01:27] <agwibowo> hey wait
[01:27] <agwibowo> FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.8.1_3_686/kernel/sound/pci/ymfpci/snd_ymfpci.ko not found.
[01:27] <agwibowo> why does it look in different directory????
[01:28] <FTTP> agwibowo ur doing better than me
[01:28] <FTTP> i only got FFATAL: Module hid not found
[01:28] <Nivlem> Anyone know why I would have system sounds, but nothing comes out when I insert a music cd and it starts to play?
[01:28] <agwibowo> it should look in 2.6.8.1_6_686
[01:28] <aigarius> is there a public cvs or svn repository of ubuntu?
[01:28] <LinuxJones> FTTP, your using hoary ?
[01:28] <FTTP> the developmental snapshot got better tho
[01:28] <agwibowo> eh no no no
[01:28] <agwibowo> i'm talking rubbish
[01:28] <FTTP> linuxjones:  I tried todays developmental snapshot
[01:28] <agwibowo> what the heck... the file is there...
[01:28] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Last one was a mess
[01:28] <FTTP> this one is better
[01:28] <ogra> agwibowo: where does this kernel come from ?
[01:28] <FTTP> but it gives an error on bootup
[01:29] <aigarius> Nivlem: you propably have no audio cable from your CD drive to the sound card
[01:29] <agwibowo> from ubuntu cvs
[01:29] <ogra> agwibowo: or its soudn modules ?
[01:29] <LinuxJones> FTTP, why not just stick with Warty, it's fairly stable
[01:29] <ogra> agwibowo: why that ?
[01:29] <FTTP> linuxjones:  Im trying out distros
[01:29] <agwibowo> ???
[01:29] <Nivlem> That is impossible....this is a macintosh..not a PC
[01:29] <agwibowo> ogra: what did you mean?
[01:29] <FTTP> linuxjones:  How come bsd never got attention :P
[01:29] <agwibowo> now it works
[01:29] <ogra> agwibowo: why a cvs kernel ?
[01:29] <FTTP> everything is linux linux linux
[01:29] <FTTP> so i go linux :)
[01:29] <agwibowo> for sopme weird reason
[01:29] <LinuxJones> FTTP, developmental releases are no way to check out any distro :D
[01:29] <socomm> Nivlem: Macs are PC's ....
[01:30] <FTTP> linuxjones i mean development of such
[01:30] <FTTP> linuxjones:  i tried warty already
[01:30] <agwibowo> i was talking rubbish.. dunno the correct term.. i just did apt-get install linux-image.. you know...
[01:30] <LinuxJones> ahh
[01:30] <FTTP> linuxjones i reported the hid not found as bug
[01:30] <ogra> agwibowo: ahh, ok
[01:30] <agwibowo> anyway, i can modprobe snd-ymfpci now
[01:30] <agwibowo> what should i do now?
[01:30] <FTTP> gonna wait for tomorrows :)
[01:30] <ogra> agwibowo: looking something up....wait a sec
[01:30] <Nivlem> socomm: It is generally understood that when one refers to "PC" that is is intel i386 architecture..
[01:30] <agwibowo> gnome-volume-control still says that mixer is not found
[01:31] <aigarius> Nivlem: and you want to say me that they need no audio cable? if so try checking you audio mixer for 'CD' volume
[01:31] <FTTP> hid = Human interface device ?
[01:31] <FTTP> like keyboard right?
[01:31] <FTTP> keyboard, mouse
[01:31] <andril> hello all - again!!!!!
[01:32] <LinuxJones> hi andril
[01:32] <Nivlem> aigarius: That is not what I am saying at all...I have sound output from everything else..and this mac hasn't been opened  up and had anything changed...it plays music fine on the cd from within OSX therefore it IS NOT A CABLE PROBLEM
[01:33] <aigarius> Nivlem: otherwise you could try to start xmms take preferences->input plugins->audiocd reader->configure->output->read cd digital audio
[01:33] <aigarius> Nivlem: that will make audio cds play the digital and not the analog way
[01:34] <aigarius> Nivlem: maybe that osx plays them digitaly all way long
[01:34] <Nivlem> aigarius: I am assuming rythmbox is the cd player? It autoplays on insert..I will try that..
[01:34] <Nivlem> thanks
[01:34] <aigarius> Nivlem: i don't know if any other player except xmms has that feature
[01:35] <ogra> agwibowo: try lspci|grep audio
[01:35] <billytwowilly> I would like to install windows xp into a 5 gig partition on this laptop that I already have ubuntu on. are there any howtos to show me how to minimize the damage that it will do to my linux partitions and their bootability?
[01:35] <socomm> aigarius: gnome's CD player has that feature.
[01:35] <agwibowo> empty
[01:35] <agwibowo> ogra: none,empty
[01:35] <socomm> `gnome-cd'
[01:35] <ogra> agwibowo: try lspci and look for the sound device
[01:36] <agwibowo> ummm
[01:36] <agwibowo> i don't think there's any sound device there
[01:36] <ogra> agwibowo: hmm, isa
[01:36] <socomm> Sound has to be the biggest problem with Ubuntu ...
[01:37] <ogra> socomm: with all distros...isnt it ?
[01:37] <monkey89> I have a rt2500 wireless card and I'd like to get access to the internet via Ubuntu, however I need the kernel sources to compile the module. What's the easiest way to do what I want? I'm in windows and can download files to a shared FAT32 partition.
[01:37] <socomm> ogra: I've never had sound problems.
[01:38] <socomm> ogra: at least none that I couldn't figure out by myself.
[01:38] <aigarius> is there a public place to get development scripts of ubuntu? i am talking of recompilation scrits, cd making scripts, which patches are applied to which packages
[01:38] <nevyn> billytwowilly: windows doesn't play nice with others.. make sure you have a bood disk
[01:38] <nevyn> s/bood/boot/
[01:39] <billytwowilly> nevyn,  That's all I'll need to get grub working again?
[01:39] <billytwowilly> How about for making my reiserfs partition smaller?
[01:39] <ogra> agwibowo: the snd-opl3sa2 should be the right one....
[01:39] <FTTP> Red Hat late Friday warned Linux users of a "critical-critical" security hole that could compromise systems and allow root access to a remote attacker. ...
[01:39] <FTTP> +1 ubuntu :)
[01:39] <daniels> FTTP: url?
[01:40] <agwibowo> ogra: hmmm but modprobing it says "No such device"
[01:40] <ogra> agwibowo: try loading it after next reboot, i'm not sure the other one got unloaded properly....so it says no such device....its blocked
[01:40] <FTTP> daniels:  Updated: A fake security bulletin purporting to be from Red Hat resurfaced, warning Linux users of a "critical-critical" security hole.
[01:40] <aigarius> FTTP: that is not +1 ubuntu, but -1 redhat. and there is a hell of a lot of difference
[01:40] <FTTP> daniels:  Fake :P
[01:40] <agwibowo> oh ok...
[01:40] <agwibowo> i'll remove the other one then from /etc/modules
[01:41] <aigarius> FTTP: you recieved it only now?
[01:41] <FTTP> aigarius:  i like debian cause its free
[01:41] <nevyn> billytwowilly: parted... maybe
[01:41] <agwibowo> i'll be back in 10 mins
[01:41] <FTTP> and i like ubuntu cause it has gnome 2.8 :P
[01:41] <billytwowilly> nevyn, Thanks. I'll look into it.
[01:41] <FTTP> and is more user friendly
[01:41] <nevyn> daniels: boe.
[01:41] <malte`> fedora is free too and has gnome 2.8
[01:41] <aigarius> FTTP: 1. -1 redhat = -1 linux in general 2. debian has gnome 2.8 as of 18.nov
[01:42] <socomm> Fedora, free?!
[01:42] <pinkee> i don't like that ubuntu makes it so difficult to change your desktop manager, has anyone sucessfully done this?
[01:42] <aigarius> fedora is as free as ubuntu
[01:42] <FTTP> malte:  This is ubuntu :P, not #fedora
[01:42] <malte`> sure socomm
[01:42] <FTTP> anyways we off topic
[01:43] <socomm> pinkee: xdm, kdm, etc ...
[01:43] <aigarius> until i can see a complete and public ubuntu cvs or svn repository
[01:43] <pinkee> i want enlightenment
[01:43] <FTTP> aigarius:  SVN?
[01:43] <socomm> pinkee: you mean WM not DM.
[01:43] <LinuxJones> I installed Fedora Core 3 today and it was on my computer for 1/2 hour before wiping the disks and re-installing Ubuntu
[01:43] <pinkee> oops
[01:43] <pinkee> so anyways
[01:43] <socomm> pinkee: 1.6, or 1.7?
[01:43] <nevyn> hrm
[01:43] <FTTP> aigarius:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ maybe ? :P i dont know what svn is
[01:43] <malte`> ehehe thank you LinuxJones , i wanted to try it too
[01:43] <malte`> now i'll not :P
[01:43] <pinkee> either really
[01:43] <aigarius> FTTP: svn=subversion=cvs replacement
[01:44] <FTTP> oh
[01:44] <socomm> pinkee: you can probably install E1.6 from reps, and it will show up in GDM.
[01:44] <FTTP> looks like ubuntu is cvs still
[01:44] <ogra> aigarius: arent all source pkgs enough ?
[01:44] <LinuxJones> malte`, I couldn't even install xqf without re-compiling it. That distro is a total mess
[01:45] <aigarius> ogra: no - I want to replicate the whole process
[01:45] <Keybuk> aigarius: you'll see neither
[01:45] <FTTP> brb trying to install from hoary even with the fatal HID error
[01:45] <pinkee> socomm: i wrote it to .xinitrc abnd when it loads there are no menus of apps, perhaps i am too accustomed to debian and doing this wrong.
[01:45] <Keybuk> because we're an Arch/tla house :p
[01:45] <FTTP> since my keyboard still works
[01:45] <agwibowo> ogra: u still there?   that modprobe still doesn't work
[01:45] <FTTP> it could be for the mouse
[01:45] <FTTP> ill fix it after install
[01:45] <FTTP> if it dont work
[01:45] <socomm> pinkee: `apt-get install enlightenment' that will install everything you need and add an entry to your GDM so you won't need to fsck with .xinitrc
[01:45] <aigarius> Keybuk: and is ubuntu arch repository publicly accessible
[01:45] <ogra> agwibowo: hmm... error ?
[01:45] <tyrano> i almost have ubuntu
[01:46] <agwibowo> no such device
[01:46] <tyrano> and then i will be linux king?
[01:46] <tyrano> ;[
[01:46] <daniels> nevyn: sup
[01:46] <pinkee> i don't want GDM
[01:46] <agwibowo> but... strangely.... when i do lsmod, there are some snd_opl3 there...
[01:46] <agwibowo> although i've removed the loading opl3 from /etc/modules
[01:46] <marjan> hi
[01:46] <Keybuk> aigarius: arch.ubuntu.com -- though there's not much in it, at the moment we're still in the process of importing things; as we're Debian-based, and they don't have any form of repository
[01:46] <marjan> why can't i play mp3 files?
[01:46] <marjan> what do i need to install for it?
[01:46] <socomm> pinkee: then just install with apt and let it configure eveything for you.
[01:46] <DCastMan> because your inferior
[01:46] <ogra> agwibowo: snd_opl3sa2 ?
[01:47] <socomm> bonobo, mp3
[01:47] <marjan> i just installed ubuntu
[01:47] <pinkee> socomm: i did and it has no application menus
[01:47] <agwibowo> nope
[01:47] <ogra> marjan: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <marjan> ogra, how to enable them?
[01:47] <agwibowo> it's   snd_opl3_lib
[01:47] <marjan> ogra, i need mp3
[01:47] <marjan> ogra, what do i need to install?
[01:47] <ogra> socomm: its off
[01:47] <ogra> marjan: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <aigarius> Keybuk: yes I know about the base (DD myself), the point is that I am doing a CDD and I am looking into ways of making it a CUD :)
[01:47] <socomm> pinkee: I haven't used E in a long time, you may need to edit some of the configs for E's popup menu.
[01:47] <ogra> marjan: read this
[01:47] <LinuxJones> marjan, gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:47] <marjan> thx
[01:48] <pinkee> ugh, whatever
[01:48] <marjan> LinuxJones, where to get it from?
[01:48] <ogra> agwibowo: post your output from lsmod|grep snd to #flood please
[01:48] <socomm> marjan: run `synaptic'
[01:49] <LinuxJones> marjan, >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/
[01:49] <marjan> my connection is very slow
[01:49] <marjan> arghl
[01:49] <marjan> i need to wait 5 minutes till page loads
[01:49] <marjan> please copy that!
[01:49] <agwibowo> just did it
[01:49] <ogra> marjan: too much to copy
[01:50] <ogra> agwibowo: snd_cs4231_lib  ? where does this come from....
[01:50] <tyrano> hmmmmm
[01:50] <agwibowo> dunno...
[01:50] <tyrano> i think the mp3 format is patented, but not mp3 players?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> DCastMan: please turn that off
[01:51] <marjan> my god
[01:51] <marjan> why the hell i need to install this
[01:51] <marjan> with my slow connection
[01:51] <marjan> it is unfear
[01:51] <marjan> and why the hell such needed things are not on cd
[01:52] <ogra> marjan: because fraunhofer charges for supplying it on discs
[01:52] <marjan> it is not funny
[01:52] <LinuxJones> DCastMan, please don't use racial slurs in IRC k thanks !!
[01:52] <ogra> marjan: nope, its not
[01:52] <marjan> hmmm...
[01:52] <ogra> marjan: but you are simply not allowed to ship it
[01:52] <thoreauputic> marjan: licensing issues ( not Ubuntu's fault)
[01:53] <agwibowo> ogra: any clue?
[01:53] <marjan> the fedora core and ubuntu are only distros which don't do that
[01:53] <DCastMan> I'm sorry
[01:53] <marjan> mandrake suse and co. have it
[01:53] <monkey89> How can I install the kernel sources w/o internet access?
[01:53] <socomm> monkey89: CD's maybe.
[01:53] <ogra> agwibowo: i'd like to know where these modules get loaded from .... strange
[01:53] <monkey89> ok, but what files do I need? I can download files and copy them to the linux partition, but i cant use anything in linux
[01:54] <agwibowo> i've just posted the content of my /etc/modules
[01:54] <agwibowo> to #flood
[01:54] <ogra> DCastMan: PLEASE STOP THIS
[01:54] <thoreauputic> could someone with op privileges please take action on DCastMan ?
[01:54] <ermo> ogra, come on. He's just trolling.
[01:54] <tyrano> just /ignore
[01:54] <ogra> ermo: its disgudting
[01:54] <LinuxJones> can someone please kick this idiot from IRC please
[01:54] <fffff> :D
[01:54] <LinuxJones> daniels you there ?
[01:55] <Amaranth> The more you complain the happier he gets.
[01:55] <Amaranth> You're feeding the troll.
[01:55] <socomm> ogra: what did s/he do
[01:55] <marjan> look hell
[01:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: well I'm now playing Shaman - Ancient Winds :-P
[01:55] <nevyn> daniels: nommuch.
[01:55] <ogra> socomm: look....at the titles
[01:55] <marjan> it will now download 2mb of package lists
[01:56] <marjan> can you please give me the direkt link to gstreamer-mad and gstreamer-lame?
[01:56] <socomm> ogra: oh all right.
[01:56] <marjan> otherway i need to wait 25 minutes till it gets package lists
[01:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: we don't care
[01:57] <socomm> Just ignore it, it will go away.
[01:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: why don't you turn off the bot an just say what you are playing yourself?
[01:57] <marjan> ogra, can you please give me the direkt link to the gstreamer-mad?
[01:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: it would be a good lesson in just how interesting it really is
[01:57] <agwibowo> ogra: still no clue??
[01:58] <ogra> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.5-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[01:58] <DCastMan> Now playing Soilwork - Steelbath Suicide.mp3 then
[01:58] <ogra> agwibowo: nope, not really....
[01:59] <ogra> agwibowo: its a bit strange that there are any sond modules....
[01:59] <marjan> ogra, thx, and for gstreamer-lame?
[01:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) DCastMan: that's better.. now what is so great about that song that you should mention it?
[01:59] <agwibowo> any other place i should look for beside /etc/modules ?
[01:59] <agwibowo> for the list of modules that gets loaded?
[02:00] <DCastMan> It has a good message
[02:00] <DCastMan> And that message is: "drumdrumdrumguitarsolodrums"
[02:01] <marcellus> Is warty-release-install-amd64.iso broken? When it is installing the base system it fails because the generic part of the amd64 kernel package is missing.
[02:01] <tyrano> is there an install guide on the install cd ;O
[02:01] <tyrano> or do i have to print it out :(
[02:02] <ogra> marcellus: how fast did you burn this disk ?
[02:02] <socomm> DCastMan: St.Louis?
[02:02] <daniels> LinuxJones: yo
[02:02] <marcellus> ogra: 4x I guess. The maximum on my old burner.
[02:03] <DCastMan> Yes
[02:03] <ogra> marcellus: should be ok... did you check the disk....there is an option in the menu.....
[02:03] <marcellus> ogra: I am not certain about the "missing" part because it might be package that is present in "pools/restricted".
[02:04] <DCastMan> How is hoary pronounced?
[02:04] <DCastMan> Whory?
[02:04] <tyrano> is there an install guide on the install cd ;O
[02:04] <agwibowo> is hoary out????
[02:05] <socomm> agwibowo: no
[02:05] <daniels> DCastMan: 'hoar-iy'
[02:05] <ogra> agwibowo: april
[02:05] <agwibowo> ic..
[02:05] <agwibowo> still long way to go
[02:05] <ermo> DCastMan, you know, kinda like 'hairy'
[02:05] <agwibowo> any recommended application for my gnome?
[02:06] <DCastMan> $> stfu -plz
[02:06] <agwibowo> what's that gstreamer about?
[02:06] <ogra> agwibowo: i just looked at modinfo snd-opl3sa2 whoo lots of options....
[02:06] <tyrano> ubuntu uses xorg right?
[02:06] <thoreauputic> daniels: thank you
[02:06] <tyrano> not xfree86?
[02:06] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW
[02:06] <ogra> yay daniels
[02:06] <daniels> tyrano: in hoary (our development branch), yes
[02:06] <daniels> ther
[02:06] <daniels> er
[02:06] <Gnobody> hdparm screws up
[02:07] <daniels> thoreauputic: in general, it's best to just let it go
[02:07] <tyrano> o
[02:07] <ogra> thank you so much
[02:07] <socomm> daniels: +ban.
[02:07] <agwibowo> ogra: ok... and does it give any clue?
[02:07] <daniels> socomm: yes, I did already
[02:07] <ermo> 'any recommended application for my gnome' - good one. Well, you can make him polish your shoes. Or mow your lawn. And sorry, couldn't resist.
[02:07] <tyrano> is it easy to upgrade to hoary :O
[02:07] <daniels> tyrano: it's not recommended if you're not familiar with debian or ubuntu
[02:07] <tyrano> but xfree86 is old :/
[02:07] <ogra> agwibowo: i think snd_opl3_lib blocks the device...so your snd-opl3sa2 fails to load
[02:07] <ermo> tyrano, but if it works, so what?
[02:08] <daniels> right, but if it still works and displays stuff ...
[02:08] <agwibowo> ogra:... hmmm.... so how do i remove that snd_opl3_lib???
[02:08] <ogra> daniels: <---- X-Man
[02:08] <tyrano> i dunno, ive read a lot of problems with it for ati and widescreen displays :/
[02:08] <agwibowo> is there any way to unload the already loaded modules?
[02:08] <ogra> agwibowo: there i'm sitll diggin for an idea
[02:08] <daniels> tyrano: what sort of video card do you have, and is it laptop/desktop?
[02:08] <ermo> agwibowo, rmmod <module>
[02:09] <daniels> tyrano: because unless you have a really, really, really new card (r4xx -- anything starting with an x, e.g. x300, x400, x600, x800), it should be just fine
[02:09] <agwibowo> thx..
[02:09] <tyrano> radeon 9700m, laptop with widescreen, largest resolution is (1280x800))
[02:09] <thibaud> hi
[02:09] <daniels> tyrano: works fine
[02:09] <tyrano> oki
[02:09] <daniels> as in, I'll be amazed if it doesn't
[02:10] <thibaud> I have a problem with my wireless connection
[02:10] <thibaud> I can't have it 'on boot'
[02:10] <thibaud> I need to 'ifup wlan0'
[02:11] <thibaud> as root
[02:11] <thibaud> If I choose 'on boot' in the network configuration tool
[02:11] <tyrano> is there an install doc
[02:11] <ogra> thibaud: did you check the start on boot option in the network managing app ?
[02:12] <thibaud> yes I did
[02:12] <thibaud> but If i check it, then network doesn't work after boot
[02:12] <ermo> daniels, x300? But that's basically an RV3xx core, isn't it?
[02:12] <thibaud> and I need to 'ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan 0'
[02:13] <LinuxJones> sorry daniels I was afk, I was going to ask you to kick that idiot DCastMan
[02:13] <thibaud> Do you have another idea ogra ?
[02:13] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: doen
[02:13] <agwibowo> ogra: i've unloaded all the sound related modules, and tried to load snd-opl3sa2... but it still says "No such device"
[02:13] <daniels> ermo: aiui x300 is an r4xx, but i may be wrong
[02:13] <thoreauputic> *done
[02:13] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, ya I see that :D
[02:13] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[02:13] <Gnobody> the dvd drive is standard ATA
[02:14] <marcellus> For some unknown reason things seems to work now. (Well I don't have the network configured on the box)
[02:14] <ogra> agwibowo: its the module for  Yamaha OPL3SA2+ which should be in your laptop....
[02:14] <agwibowo> ogra: i don't quite get what you are saying... are you asking me something, or just saying to yourself ??
[02:15] <ogra> thibaud: look in /etc/network/interfaces if there is noauto written near wlan0 anywhere
[02:15] <ogra> agwibowo: i have no idea why you cant load it....
[02:15] <agwibowo> me 2..
[02:16] <marcellus> Well time to fix the network then. Later maybe.
[02:16] <agwibowo> maybe try sound blaster compatible instead?
[02:16] <ogra> agwibowo: hmmm....depends:        snd-cs4231-lib,snd-opl3-lib,snd,snd-mpu401-uart,snd-pcm
[02:16] <thibaud> ogra: no here are the only 3 lines about wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[02:16] <thibaud> name Liaison par onde radio
[02:16] <thibaud> wireless_essid ma maison
[02:17] <ogra> agwibowo: the dependencys are exactly what is loaded after boot....
[02:17] <thibaud> oops,
[02:17] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[02:17] <thibaud> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[02:17] <thibaud> name Liaison par onde radio
[02:17] <thibaud> wireless_essid ma maison
[02:18] <ogra> thibaud: hmm, should work
[02:19] <agwibowo> ogra: so you are certain that my sound card is ISA ?
[02:19] <thibaud> ogra: moreover 'ifup wlan0' works perfectly
[02:19] <Kano> hi how is that package created: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:19] <FTTP> bah
[02:19] <ogra> agwibowo: yep....
[02:20] <thibaud> ogra: Maybe it is a bug, do you know where I should post it ?
[02:20] <FTTP> i hope hoary fixes that modprobe fatal error
[02:20] <agwibowo> hey
[02:20] <agwibowo> this is strange
[02:20] <ogra> thibaud: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:20] <agwibowo> i'm sure i've unloaded all the snd-* modules
[02:20] <agwibowo> it's back again when i do lsmod
[02:20] <ogra> agwibowo: but ?
[02:21] <ogra> agwibowo: they are dependent to snd-opl3sa2...
[02:21] <alka_trash> quick question: does direct rendering in glxinfo verify dga?
[02:21] <agwibowo> ohhhh
[02:21] <agwibowo> that's why they are loaded again..
[02:21] <agwibowo> hmmm
[02:22] <ogra> agwibowo: i guess snd-opl3sa2 is also loaded on boot ...thats why they were there before....
[02:22] <ermo> daniels, (was curious) <quote>The Radeon X300 is the PCI Express version of the Radeon 9550.</quote>
[02:22] <agwibowo> ic...
[02:22] <ogra> agwibowo: there must be some setting either for the module or a bootoption that will help here
[02:23] <daniels> ermo: ah.  in other words, total crap. :)
[02:23] <ermo> daniels, probably. I bought a 9250 to be able to use the open source dri drivers. Excellent image quality...
[02:23] <ogra> daniels: but quite a "faster" name
[02:24] <agwibowo> i tried modprobe snd-sb16-csp it does not complain...
[02:24] <ogra> agwibowo: does your mixer work ?
[02:24] <agwibowo> nope
[02:24] <agwibowo> :P
[02:24] <osiris_22> umm my friend
[02:24] <ermo> daniels, also, the X600 is basically a souped up RV360 and some extra features (not mentioned in the article I'm reading)
[02:24] <osiris_22> just tried to boot into ubuntu
[02:24] <osiris_22> and he got5 an error
[02:24] <osiris_22> that said there is errors on the file system
[02:24] <osiris_22> what does he do?
[02:25] <daniels> ermo: yeah
[02:25] <socomm> what are the exact errors
[02:26] <daniels> ermo: iirc the x800 (r423) is the really interesting one in terms of new tech
[02:26] <osiris_22> when he was butting in it said hda1 has a file systme with errors on it
[02:26] <osiris_22> and then it took him into a text prompt
[02:26] <osiris_22> that says root
[02:26] <osiris_22> or something
[02:26] <ermo> daniels, sure is. But I was thinking in terms of what hardware could reasonably be expected to be supported under X
[02:26] <daniels> i still have an 8500 (r200), quite happy with it
[02:27] <ermo> daniels, By extension, I would tend to belive that x300 and x600 /should/ work with the ati-drivers.
[02:27] <agwibowo> this is pathetic....
[02:27] <ermo> daniels, Off course, I have no hard evidence to back up that claim.
[02:27] <daniels> ermo: er, we have full 2d support for r4xx, y'know
[02:27] <ogra> hehe
[02:27] <ermo> daniels, so it's just 3d?
[02:27] <daniels> ermo: there's 2d support for every ati card on the market
[02:27] <daniels> yeah
[02:27] <osiris_22> any idea on what to do socomm should he reinstall or what
[02:27] <eazel7> hi
[02:27] <osiris_22> ?
[02:28] <eazel7> how can I enable my root account to be able to do a simple 'su' command?
[02:28] <agwibowo> hmmm
[02:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eazel7: sudo passwd root
[02:28] <agwibowo> emule is not available for linux....
[02:28] <eazel7> GammaRay, ok
[02:28] <ogra> eazel7: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo#
[02:28] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: yes it is
[02:28] <ermo> daniels, but it's still via the ati binary drivers, isn't it?
[02:28] <agwibowo> where to download it from?
[02:28] <ogra> agwibowo: xmule is in universe
[02:28] <daniels> ermo: 3d?  or 2d?
[02:28] <cardador> agwibowo: xmule or amule
[02:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: what's wrong w/ amule?
[02:28] <socomm> osiris_22: hmmm well if you don't know what you're doing just reinstall, otherwise try to revocer with a disk or something.
[02:28] <agwibowo> ohhh
[02:28] <eazel7> GammaRay, thanks
[02:29] <ogra> agwibowo: not the greatest but does the job
[02:29] <agwibowo> which one is better, amule or xmule?
[02:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) they are very similar
[02:29] <cardador> agwibowo: amule i guess
[02:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure what the differences are anymore
[02:29] <ermo> daniels, I'm not making sense, sorry. I was referring to your prior quip to tyrano: tyrano: because unless you have a really, really, really new card (r4xx -- anything starting with an x, e.g. x300, x400, x600
[02:29] <daniels> ermo: oh, right
[02:29] <daniels> i'm too tired for coherency anyway
[02:29] <ogra> GammaRay: no package for amule in universe ?
[02:30] <cardador> agwibowo: check both websites, and then choose
[02:30] <ermo> daniels, and so was just trying to elaborate on x300 and x600
[02:30] <Phr0stByte> agwibowo: I have found this to be a great way to go: http://ed2k-gtk-gui.sourceforge.net/download.shtml
[02:30] <agwibowo> oh my god
[02:30] <ogra> GammaRay: oh, sorry...just checked.....its there...
[02:30] <agwibowo> i accidentally drag the top panel to the side of my screen
[02:31] <agwibowo> how do i return it to the top?
[02:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) drag it back?
[02:31] <ermo> agwibowo, OH NO! REINSTALL!
[02:31] <ermo> :p
[02:31] <ogra> agwibowo: drag
[02:31] <ogra> lol
[02:31] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:31] <FTTP> usplash sounds awesome
[02:31] <agwibowo> i cant
[02:31] <socomm> agwibowo: middle click and drag
[02:31] <FTTP> me thinks hoary will be an excellent release
[02:31] <socomm> agwibowo: or use right and left click to drag
[02:32] <agwibowo> where to click it?????
[02:32] <agwibowo> everywhere i click, it's clicking the button
[02:32] <ogra> agwibowo: free space
[02:32] <Chibi> Hoary will certainly be as impressive of an impact as warty was.
[02:32] <cardador> agwibowo: look for some pixels in between the big icons :)
[02:32] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: hold crtl and click and drag
[02:32] <Chibi> Especially if they get all of the console hiding parts done.
[02:32] <osiris_22> socomm
[02:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: there is a key combo to get to the menu
[02:32] <socomm> osiris_22: yes?
[02:32] <osiris_22> we are guessen its his hard drive its self.. cause its maken all kinds of noices
[02:33] <osiris_22> and its been getting hot
[02:33] <agwibowo> :(
[02:33] <socomm> osiris_22: that's probably it, sounds like your hard drive is broken.
[02:33] <ermo> Phr0stByte, yup. Mules n donkeys can be terribly stubborn. Now they dragged his gnome bar all the way across the screen. HEE HAAW
[02:33] <osiris_22> his windows hard drive is doing it to
[02:33] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: Did CTRL+drag work?
[02:33] <osiris_22> his computer is really wierd
[02:33] <Chibi> HAHA XD
[02:33] <agwibowo> wm_eddie: no
[02:33] <osiris_22> like it has no fans it only has a processer fan
[02:33] <osiris_22> thats it
[02:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) agwibowo: click on somethiung on the panel and press F10
[02:33] <osiris_22> uit dont have any system fants
[02:34] <osiris_22> fans or anything
[02:34] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: You sure?
[02:34] <Chibi> Oh that was hilarious. My cousin came over and tried to use my computer, looking for a start menu at the bottom of the screen
[02:34] <socomm> osiris_22: that's not good, since you're computer needs all those fance to cool down your hardware.
[02:34] <osiris_22> so im thinking his hard driver are overheating
[02:34] <agwibowo> i don't know where to click..
[02:34] <agwibowo> the items are so huge
[02:34] <osiris_22> yeah
[02:34] <agwibowo> and there are no free space
[02:34] <osiris_22> he said yesterday his hard drives were maken noices
[02:34] <socomm> agwibowo: remove some items.
[02:34] <osiris_22> noises
[02:34] <osiris_22> and i was like like dude
[02:34] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: hold CTRL and drag. doesn't matter where you click.
[02:34] <osiris_22> snece you have no phen
[02:34] <osiris_22> fan
[02:34] <agwibowo> done
[02:34] <osiris_22> fans
[02:34] <agwibowo> thx
[02:35] <osiris_22> dont fucken have them in there at the same time
[02:35] <agwibowo> now i have to return back all the items
[02:35] <agwibowo> :(
[02:35] <wm_eddie> ohh woops...
[02:35] <Chibi> I have an auto-hiding bar stretched across the bottom of my screen, my media player. She flipped out. :D
[02:35] <wm_eddie> I know there's a way to do this...
[02:35] <socomm> osiris_22: it sounds like like a hardware problem, just get some new hardware and a cooling system.
[02:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: what's so special about that? :-P
[02:35] <FTTP> what is SVG?
[02:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: I seem to recall windows can do that
[02:35] <ermo> FTTP, Scalable Vector Graphics
[02:35] <FTTP> ubuntu says it wants to do svg aware eye candy
[02:36] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: umm try making the panel smaller.
[02:36] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: vector images vs raster images
[02:36] <FTTP> gammaray:  ?
[02:36] <wm_eddie> hmmm...
[02:36] <FTTP> that means nothing to me
[02:36] <FTTP> heh
[02:36] <Chibi> It was just funny to see her scream when there was a playlist instead of a start button :P
[02:36] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: google!
[02:36] <wm_eddie> or removing things one by one until you see gray again...
[02:36] <agwibowo> wm_eddie: it's ok now.. thx
[02:36] <FTTP> gammaray:  so what sort of eye candy do they mean?
[02:36] <wm_eddie> We need to suggest to gnome to have a lock panel option
[02:36] <osiris_22> hes gonna use a seagate hard drive..
[02:37] <wm_eddie> That also happened to my roommate.
[02:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: vector images can scale w/out gettting pixilated
[02:37] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[02:37] <Phr0stByte> Has anyone seen this?: http://www.happypenguin.org/show?xdesktopwaves
[02:37] <FTTP> gammaray ok
[02:37] <wm_eddie> GammaRay: Does OS X use SVG? or just really large images?
[02:37] <FTTP> gammaray i guess that means like the ubuntu logos and such?
[02:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wm_eddie: no idea
[02:38] <ermo> FTTP, (simple explanation) you can either represent a picture by rows and columns of dots (bitmap) or by describing each component of a picture as an equation. The equations can be scaled, whereas the bitmaps need to be resamled.
[02:38] <ermo> resampled.
[02:38] <cardador> Phr0stByte: have you tried it?
[02:38] <agwibowo> any suggestion on dreamweaver-like html editor in linux?
[02:38] <agwibowo> i know screem, bluefish
[02:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: all the icons.. so you can change the resolution and keep the same sized interface
[02:38] <Gnobody> agwibowo: NVU
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> cardador: not yet
[02:38] <Gnobody> www.nvu.com
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> cardador: looks real cool though...
[02:39] <Chibi> Can't Enlightenment do that?
[02:39] <wm_eddie> agwibowo: nvu looks good but I've never gotten it to install correctly, I use Mozilla composer for my stuff... not as good as dreamweaver (not even close) but good enough for some things.
[02:39] <agwibowo> ok.... thx!
[02:39] <socomm> Phr0stByte: I have.
[02:39] <ogra> hehe....desktop with builtin scientific screensaver bg....
[02:40] <osiris_22> i found this awsome drug related screensaver in my screensavers thintg
[02:40] <Gnobody> nvu is most like Dreamweaver
[02:40] <osiris_22> its like awsom4e
[02:40] <socomm> Phr0stByte: Still buggy.
[02:40] <cardador> Gnobody: are debs available for nvu?
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> socomm: thought so. Looked to cool to be true
[02:40] <eazel7> Gnobody, where can I find nvu?
[02:41] <Gnobody> www.nvu.com
[02:41] <eazel7> thx
[02:41] <FTTP> ok i tried an svg demo of adobe
[02:41] <FTTP> nice stuff
[02:41] <socomm> Phr0stByte: looks can be deceiving.
[02:41] <FTTP> interesting
[02:41] <Chibi> AAAHHk. I see qt.
[02:41] <socomm> Phr0stByte: give a spin it's a really small program ~20 sec compilation.
[02:41] <agwibowo> that's quite a huge prog.. 11 mb
[02:42] <ogra> Phr0stByte: hmm first release..... 2004-11-18 03:19
[02:42] <Phr0stByte> Chibi: LOL. Is that like "I see dead people..."?
[02:42] <Chibi> Yes. Only Qt is scarier. :P
[02:42] <cardador> Phr0stByte: ia m trying it right now... looks good!
[02:42] <FTTP> you know what i noticed, alot of apps for linux are only for solaris + redhat
 Phr0stByte: give a spin it's a really small program ~20 sec compilation. <-- it's a lot
[02:42] <FTTP> err i mean
[02:42] <FTTP> they have rpms
[02:43] <FTTP> alot dont have precompiled debian files
[02:43] <FTTP> is it possible to use an rpm on debian?
[02:43] <Gnobody> just use alien to install rpms
[02:43] <FTTP> if all you have is the rpm
[02:43] <socomm> drac: that's an estimate it's probably alot less than that since it's only one source file.
[02:43] <Gnobody> sudo alien -i nvu.rpm
[02:43] <FTTP> gnobody:  They should include alien on default so it works fully
[02:43] <socomm> FTTP: you can install rpms on ubuntu
[02:43] <drac> fakeroot ;)
[02:43] <FTTP> socomm is alien default?
[02:43] <socomm> FTTP: think so.
[02:44] <FTTP> socomm:  Hmmm
[02:44] <Phr0stByte> socomm: I'll pass for now, as it is nothing actually useful - just eye-candy
[02:44] <drac> not shure
[02:44] <socomm> FTTP: I installed lame via alien, works fine for me.
[02:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: checkinstall easily makes debs from source
[02:45] <FTTP> socomm:  See the problem often for debian is that its easy to get commercial apps but alot of times they dont have debian versions, they are often for redhat
[02:45] <FTTP> gammaray right but some only distribute the rpm
[02:45] <Chibi> Good commercial apps are all static linked and have bin installers. :P
[02:45] <FTTP> chibi adobe for example for its svg viewer
[02:45] <FTTP> it has redhat
[02:46] <FTTP> and a .rpm
[02:46] <Chibi> Hehe, I know. :P
[02:46] <FTTP> chibi:  Oh wait
[02:46] <FTTP> its a tar.gz
[02:46] <FTTP> it says redhat 7.1 to 9
[02:47] <FTTP> so that means its prolly non compiled?
[02:47] <Chibi> quite possible. I didn't look at it, though. :P
[02:48] <Gnobody> its a binary extract it to "/"
[02:48] <FTTP> gnobody it is?
[02:48] <Gnobody> yes
[02:48] <socomm> FTTP: probably just a bin inside a tarball.
[02:48] <FTTP> ok
[02:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd use stow myself
[02:48] <FTTP> gnobody its not like i want to use it
[02:48] <FTTP> but im just using that as example of redhat app
[02:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) my create a mess you can't clean up?
[02:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) why
[02:49] <FTTP> gnobody:  i mean i dont expect their to be ubuntu versions, but ubuntu needs to work with those redhat and other linux distro versions
[02:49] <FTTP> but you said alien works so........
[02:49] <FTTP> that is prolly enuff if it works all the time
[02:49] <drac> alien works
[02:50] <drac> but you won't have the dependences
[02:50] <Gnobody> yeah with debian you can pretty much install any linux binary you want
[02:50] <Gnobody> x86 of course
[02:50] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) that will allow you to install it but that won't fix any depends it needs but you don't have
[02:50] <Gnobody> and ubuntu is debian base
[02:50] <Gnobody> d
[02:50] <FTTP> gnobody right but some apps only give rpms
[02:50] <FTTP> Alien should not be used to replace important system packages, like sysvinit, shared libraries, or other things that are essential for the functioning of your system. Many of these packages are set up differently by Debian and Red Hat, and packages from the different distributions cannot be used interchangably. In general, if you can't uninstall the package without breaking your system, don't try to replace it with an alien
[02:50] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) w/a range from rh 6-9 it's probably a static binary
[02:51] <FTTP> gammaray i only used that as an example tho
[02:51] <tmartin> hey this is off topic but is there a channel on freenode for talking about programming in c++?
[02:51] <alindeman> #c++
[02:51] <alindeman> :)
[02:51] <FTTP> see the problem is interchangable
[02:51] <tmartin> haha thx :)
[02:51] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm using that example also
[02:51] <FTTP> or......... debian needs to push for debian versions :)
[02:52] <LinuxJones> join #python
[02:52] <LinuxJones> bah
[02:52] <FTTP> gammaray:  Ok lets see here......... what commercial software is there for linux :P
[02:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'd rather see agnotic installers for this type of software
[02:52] <FTTP> agnotic?
[02:52] <FTTP> agnostic you mean
[02:52] <FTTP> ?
[02:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) yea
[02:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: realplayer
[02:53] <FTTP> ok
[02:53] <socomm> FTTP: setup.exe
[02:53] <FTTP> there is no .exe for linux
[02:53] <ogra> lol
[02:53] <socomm> WTF!
[02:54] <FTTP> socomm:  Executables is a windows concept
[02:54] <ogra> looks really funny
[02:54] <socomm> And here I've been using -o program.exe
[02:54] <FTTP> oh
[02:54] <socomm> >_<
[02:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: ummm no
[02:54] <FTTP> socomm dunno
[02:54] <cardador> ogra: try it with quality 9 :)
[02:54] <FTTP> gammaray:  Thought .exe was for windows :P
[02:54] <FTTP> gammaray unless ur running wine of course
[02:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) executables is actually the proper term for what people commonly call binaries
[02:55] <stuNNed> does noapic and nolapic do the same things or do i need both?  system is freezing...
[02:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the .exe extension is windows only true..
[02:55] <socomm> FTTP: I was kidding, you can tell gcc to compile a program with whatever name you like, for instance `gcc file.cc -o program.exe'
[02:55] <FTTP> gammaray thats what i meant
[02:56] <FTTP> socomm gotcha
[02:56] <FTTP> gammaray:  ubuntu/debian needs an easier way to install apps
[02:56] <FTTP> just download and it auto installs
[02:56] <Chibi> FTTP- Being worked on :P
[02:56] <FTTP> other than synaptic / apt get
[02:56] <Chibi> Have you seen it yet?
[02:56] <FTTP> chibi nope
[02:56] <ogra> cardador: still interlaced...and waaay sloow
[02:56] <FTTP> was that on the work in progress list for hoary?
[02:57] <FTTP> maybe i missed it :)
[02:57] <ogra> i made a package.....
[02:57] <eazel7> can anaconda be used for ubuntu?
[02:57] <Chibi> It's like anaconda's install selection .
[02:57] <FTTP> ahhh
[02:57] <FTTP> i dunno
[02:57] <FTTP> i mean for install
[02:57] <LinuxJones> eazel7, no not as of yet
[02:57] <FTTP> chibi:  Ill google for it maybe
[02:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: "download and install" is kinda silly for linux
[02:57] <Chibi> Fttp, hold on, I'll grab a screenshot of it really quick
[02:57] <eazel7> LinuxJones, what is needed to try?
[02:58] <FTTP> chibi thanks :)
[02:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: software is so interconnected
[02:58] <FTTP> yah
[02:58] <eruin> .exe as an extension isn't windows-specific
[02:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: you're just talking about an easier interface to apt right?
[02:58] <Chibi> FTTP- There's also an auto-updater and graphic installer in the work.
[02:58] <eazel7> I wait for haiku for a definite OS
[02:58] <eruin> muine.exe? :P
[02:59] <Chibi> Yeah, Gamma, the lazy apt. :P
[02:59] <FTTP> chibi:  oh its just apt
[02:59] <eazel7> Chibi, what app are you talking about?
[02:59] <FTTP> chibi:  Screenshot would still be nice if u can :)
[02:59] <LinuxJones> eazel7, Progeny has ported Anaconda and has been incorporated into their Debian based distro
[02:59] <FTTP> chibi:  But im referring to installing commercial apps
[02:59] <FTTP> that are not in the repositories
[02:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Chibi: well I hope you guys reqwrite the broken vsftpd init.d script as well :-P
[02:59] <eruin> the problem with anaconda debian-wise is that it doesn't support more than two archs
[02:59] <FTTP> unless that app can handle those too?
[02:59] <eazel7> LinuxJones, I'll see what can I do, I'm really interested
[03:00] <Chibi> Oohhhhh, Like the firefox and xfce installers? :P
[03:00] <FTTP> chibi i never installed xfce or firefox i dunno
[03:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: why should it be the distro makers job to cover the asses of adobe?
[03:00] <eruin> who maintains firefox?
[03:00] <cardador> NVU is amazing!
[03:00] <jomohke> is it?
[03:00] <FTTP> gammaray:  Whos covering their ass?  its making it easier to use the apps
[03:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: a lot of time, ubuntun could not even legally make pacages for these pieces of software
[03:01] <Chibi> They're like installing windows applications, FTTP. With the whole 'choose what parts you want' graphic installer shebang.
[03:01] <FTTP> gammaray oh
[03:01] <cardador> jomohke: just tried it now, looks good
[03:01] <FTTP> ok well if legal issues come into play thats another story
[03:01] <jomohke> cardador: The brief comments I've heard of it were that it was fairly incomplete. I haven't tried it, though.
[03:01] <FTTP> chibi yeah well maybe adobe will eventually make a better installer :)
[03:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: not to mention that they all use different interfaces for installing, it would have to be done on a per software basis, which is a lot of work.
[03:01] <eruin> why oh why is people.debian.org so slooow
[03:02] <LinuxJones> eazel7, I hope Ubuntu borrows from Progeny, Anaconda is excellent.
[03:02] <eazel7> yup
[03:02] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: specifically to piss you off
[03:02] <FTTP> gammaray then it should be up to the manufacturer
[03:02] <eruin> blimey
[03:02] <FTTP> gammaray or just make sure for example u can easily install rpms which is the most common standard
[03:02] <eazel7> I hope that anaconda uses backends
[03:02] <eazel7> so there is no duplicated work betwin rpm and deb versions
[03:03] <FTTP> gammaray i guess there is no simple solution between opensource and commercial
[03:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: but is is already up to the manufacturer.. every seperate one w/ theie different owners
[03:03] <FTTP> to use commercial apps if one so chooses on ubuntu
[03:03] <LinuxJones> eazel7, the source code should be on the Progeny website. i'm pretty sure it's written in gtk-python
[03:03] <eazel7> ok
[03:03] <eruin> everything redhat is built with gtkpython
[03:04] <FTTP> gammaray:  Right but as of now many use .bin and .rpm
[03:04] <FTTP> so there has to be a way to use those easily
[03:04] <FTTP> gammaray is there a gnome frontend to alien for example?
[03:04] <FTTP> that may be the best solution there
[03:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: .bin is easy enough to deal with. ie the nvidia installer should work on ubuntu
[03:04] <Chibi> http://studiochibico.com/ar.jpg
[03:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: never used alien
[03:05] <eazel7> Anaconda is written in Python and C
[03:05] <FTTP> chibi thats just copying the windows method :P
[03:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: quote new to debian as well.. about a month
[03:06] <FTTP> gammaray u mean anaconda?
[03:06] <LinuxJones> eazel7, >> http://componentizedlinux.org/anaconda/
[03:06] <eruin> how on earth is that copying the windows method?
[03:06] <Chibi> The point is to ease use, right?
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Add + remove programs
[03:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: no. I mean quite :-P
[03:06] <Chibi> The windows way is the way most windows migrants are used to.
[03:06] <eruin> fttp, and your point?
[03:07] <FTTP> eruin nothing
[03:07] <FTTP> eruin im just saying it was the equivalent of add + remove
[03:07] <FTTP> just organized up to down
[03:07] <FTTP> just a different layout, same concept
[03:08] <Phr0stByte> ogra: can we get it from you?
[03:08] <eazel7> LinuxJones, I'm there, thanks
[03:08] <eruin> FTTP, do you have some fantastic new concept for this particular task then? ;P
[03:08] <FTTP> eruin no, it works well
[03:08] <ogra> Phr0stByte: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu look for Grawert
[03:08] <eruin> maybe a 3d box spinning around? ;)
[03:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I like the search box :-P
[03:08] <FTTP> eruin:  I like it :)
[03:08] <eruin> I think it should be organized a bit differently though
[03:09] <mxpxpod> what happened to the gaim evo plugin?
[03:09] <FTTP> eruin me too
[03:09] <YokoZar> How does Ubuntu determine what things to put in the applications menu?  I don't seem to have the menu package installed
[03:09] <eruin> with categories on a left pane with its items on a right pane
[03:09] <FTTP> eruin yeah its nice
[03:09] (jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: that's all gnome functionality
[03:10] <YokoZar> jdub: Even when I install a package?
[03:10] <FTTP> what i meant was this tho:  is there a way to easily install .bins kinda like a program which will just run it and install it easily and bring up the right windows for install (even a terminal mode) and stuff?
[03:10] <FTTP> from that add/remove program interface
[03:10] <FTTP> or whatever
[03:10] <FTTP> should be a way where u can do it easily without leaving gnome and going to terminal
[03:10] <FTTP> thats what i meant
[03:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: a paperclips and glue idea.. have .bin files open in gnmome-terminal
[03:11] <FTTP> gammaray:  Can they be already?
[03:11] <FTTP> no i mean
[03:11] <eruin> well, if some standarized toolkit that all distributors of .bin files used was in place, that could easily be written
[03:11] <FTTP> gammaray:  A program which will easily walk u thru install
[03:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) they are just executables.. ie xterm -e reaplayer.bin
[03:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: they would depends on what the .bin did I guess
[03:12] <FTTP> gammaray i dunno........
[03:12] <eruin> but since a bin can be all console-based (nvidia) while another (quake3) can be gtk-based, how should the installer logic be?
[03:12] <FTTP> whatever works i guess :)
[03:12] <thoreauputic> FTTP: if it's a precompiled binary you can extract it in nautilus, navigate to th edirectory, create a link and off you go : but I agree for new users how to do that isn't intuitive
[03:12] <FTTP> eruin good point
[03:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: open them all in a term
[03:13] <eruin> we're talkinga bout a gui tool here
[03:13] <FTTP> thoreauputic yeah right, just a way to automate just what u said
[03:13] <eruin> I know full-well how to run a .bin file ;>
[03:13] <FTTP> threauputic just add a feature for that which will do just that :)
[03:13] <FTTP> on all .bin files
[03:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: synaptic does as much
[03:13] <YokoZar> jdub: A Debian package should have some common menu creating hints in it, and the menu package will then make a menu out of it for every window manager.  Does this not happen in Ubuntu?
[03:13] <FTTP> or something
[03:13] <eruin> GammaRay, no.
[03:13] <thoreauputic> FTTP: problem is that how binaries install is not standardised
[03:13] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  hmmmmmm
[03:14] <eruin> he's talking about non-open software
[03:14] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Ill come up with something
[03:14] <FTTP> ill try those apps and see
[03:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: you never noticed the terminal window while software is installing?
[03:14] <FTTP> eruin it should be mostly open software, but there are times when u may want to add 1 commerical program
[03:14] <FTTP> for whatever reason
[03:15] <eruin> GammaRay, this has nothing to do with apt or debs or ubuntus workings in general for that matter
[03:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: I know taat full well
[03:15] (jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: we don't display or support the debian menu system
[03:15] <FTTP> jdub oh what installer is you right?
[03:15] <nonajme> hmm, how can i reconfigure xfree with the standard config?
[03:15] <eruin> GammaRay, if synaptic can, say, be used to install both the official nvidia package and quake3 point releases, that's sure news to me
[03:16] <YokoZar> jdub: Ahh.  So how do Ubuntu packages add menu items to ubuntu then?
[03:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: you're missing my point
[03:16] <FTTP> jdub u handle software installers too tho or just the 1st time install?
[03:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: that's all gnome/freedesktop.org menu functionality
[03:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: what?
[03:16] <FTTP> jdub i mean that add/remove type program
[03:16] <FTTP> that someone showed me
[03:16] <eruin> GammaRay, point is, we're talkinga bout packages that will never show up in any repository usable by synaptic
[03:16] <FTTP> jdub u dont handle that right?
[03:16] <stuNNed> jdub, if i add kernel line 'noapic' do i need to add 'nolapic' as well?
[03:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) FTTP: i don't understand what you're asking.
[03:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) stuNNed: i don't know.
[03:17] <YokoZar> jdub: Ahh, so some packages use both the debian menu system and the freedesktop stuff
[03:17] <stuNNed> jdub, k thanks mate
[03:17] <eruin> more like some kind of cross-distro standarized installer, ala installshield on windows
[03:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: I don't know what to say but "duh!"
[03:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) stuNNed: I don't think so, but if it doesn't work, try using nolapic as well...
[03:17] (jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: yeah, the debian menu stuff is still there, but not used
[03:17] <eruin> GammaRay, then why on earth do you bring up the subject of synaptic?
[03:17] <NewComer> transcode depends on libjasper, a package that doesn't exist in the repos
[03:17] <hcker2000> hello
[03:18] <stuNNed> Lathiat, ah ok thanks :)
[03:18] <FTTP> jdub:   nevermind.... i was just discussing that there should be an easier way to install commercial apps
[03:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: it's a very blunt concept. .bin files are typically installers. If they happen to be console installers all is well, if they happen to use X windows then the term can just sit in the background.
[03:19] <hcker2000> dose any one know if there is a way to get dvd playback working on ppc ubuntu?
[03:19] <FTTP> jdub like those .bins and rpms from graphical if possible, but its possible due to non standardization it wouldnt work anyways
[03:19] <mxpxpod> hcker2000: apt-get install totem-xine
[03:20] <hcker2000> let me give that a trysky
[03:20] <thoreauputic> FTTP: a few projects about installers: http://www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/System/Files/Installers/Uninstallers/1890/
[03:20] <YokoZar> jdub: Alot of universe packages have /usr/lib/menu entries but no freedesktop stuff.  Is there a plan to handle that somehow?
[03:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: also install libdvdcss2
[03:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedForma
[03:20] <ogra> YokoZar: debian will change that itself....
[03:21] <thoreauputic> FTTP: if the software is commercial, it's really up to the company to design it so it can install easily
[03:21] <hcker2000> GammaRay, thanks and do i need to add a specific mirror to get totem-xine because it isnt in the list
[03:21] <ogra> YokoZar: they plan to move to a freedektop compliant system
[03:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: universe I think
[03:21] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Right but alot of times it easy to install it, thru redhat for example
[03:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: you just have to get companies to actually use those.. so it would probably have to support windows also
[03:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: patches accepted for universe
[03:22] <stuNNed> hcker2000, it's in multiverse, afaik
[03:22] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  its not a priority or anything so........... :P
[03:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) totem-xine is in universe
[03:22] <mxpxpod> actually, totem-xine is in universe
[03:22] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  I guess we come to conclusion its not something that can be done
[03:22] <YokoZar> jdub: Oh, ok.  So if I were to be updating a package and wanted it to have a menu entry, I should stop reading the debian menu docs and instead look at freedesktop.org?
[03:22] <hcker2000> what the url for universe so i can add it to the manage?
[03:22] <stuNNed> ah my bad, sorry about that
[03:22] <jono> hi all
[03:23] (jdub/#ubuntu) YokoZar: yes :-) look in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[03:23] <jono> how stable is hoary on ppc at the moment?
[03:23] <thoreauputic> FTTP: let's face it, apt and synaptic would make most windows users green with envy: no searching the web for download sites, and it works without reboot, and so on...
[03:24] <thoreauputic> FTTP: not to mention the thousands of packages available
[03:24] <FTTP> thoreauputic oh i agree 100% as they are working on an easier one too
[03:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: in synaptic uncheck it in teh repositories list
[03:24] <eruin> bah, all these longhorn videos floating around, none of them showing anything impressive
[03:24] <ogra> thoreauputic: 14119 currently on my list
[03:24] <jono> anyone?
[03:24] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  But the problem is that you may for whatever reason want to install a commercial application not on that list
[03:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) eruin: but they have a clock! in the sidebar! a clock!
[03:25] <hcker2000> GammaRay, uncheck universe?
[03:25] <eruin> hehe
[03:25] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[03:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: err check it
[03:25] <eruin> GammaRay, it's like seeing a black winxp with some useless "connectivity" features
[03:25] <hcker2000> GammaRay, there is no universe listed in the package manager list
[03:25] <jono> to upgrade to hoary am I right in thinking that I just change 'warty' references in sources.list to 'hoary' ?
[03:26] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  stuff like java, etc..... which is free commercial also.......
[03:26] (jdub/#ubuntu) jono: yes
[03:26] <jono> jdub, cheers
[03:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: prefs menu > repositories
[03:26] <jono> I will see about testing ppc hoary :)
[03:26] <Gnobody> yes jono
[03:26] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  i know its against the gpl and all so its not really part of ubuntu
[03:26] <hcker2000> GammaRay, thats what im in no listing for it
[03:26] <FTTP> which is fine
[03:26] <hcker2000> remember this is the ppc distro
[03:26] <hcker2000> so maby its not in there by defult?
[03:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: umm right
[03:26] <thoreauputic> FTTP: depends on your definition of "free" of course
[03:27] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  I mean non gpl software
[03:27] <jono> I wonder if X.org will work for ppc
[03:27] <jono> I imagine so
[03:27] <FTTP> thoreauputic:  Like sometimes for certain websites you need certain viewers that wont have a gpl alternative
[03:27] <ogra> jono: why not ?
[03:27] <FTTP> if there is gpl thats fine
[03:27] <FTTP> but.......
[03:27] <jono> ogra, I mean upgrading to hoary
[03:27] <FTTP> i dunno
[03:27] <FTTP> i kinda prefer everything to be opensource :)
[03:27] <FTTP> so
[03:27] <hcker2000> thats why i wondered what the address was for it so i could add it
[03:28] <ogra> jono: but why should xorg not work :)
[03:28] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[03:28] <FTTP> thoreauputic I guess if u want to run commercial distros, redhat or novell would be a better choice for those who need it
[03:28] <FTTP> maybe
[03:28] <FTTP> i dunno
[03:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: there seems to be a universe for ppc from looking at hthe servers
[03:28] <jono> ogra, when I upgrade to hoary, should it work without any reconfiguration?>
[03:29] <hcker2000> where did u see it listed though?
[03:29] <hcker2000> is there a page on the ubuntu web site that has the universe info?
[03:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: try adding this line to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <ogra> jono: it did on my playground system (i686)
[03:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[03:29] <hcker2000> ok
[03:29] <ogra> jono: i think ppc wont behave different
[03:30] <jono> ogra, cool
[03:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: what what I know about apt, it should pick the right folder for ppc
[03:30] <jono> ogra, did you just dist-upgrade?
[03:30] <ogra> jono: changed the repo lines and... yep....
[03:30] <jono> ogra, cool
[03:31] <ogra> jono: but be aware it may break from time to time.....
[03:31] <ogra> jono: its in active development
[03:31] <hcker2000> there it gose the package manager is geting the universe list and the multiverse list
[03:31] <FTTP> jono:  Im waiting for tomorrows hoary snapshot :P
[03:31] <FTTP> todays was bugged
[03:31] <PorscheBoy> mm
[03:32] <ogra> Phr0stByte: tried the water stuff ?
[03:32] <Phr0stByte> yeah
[03:32] <Phr0stByte> cool
[03:33] <jono> anyone seen ubdate?
[03:33] <ogra> Phr0stByte: yep, pretty funny.....but everything beyond defaults bursts my old laptop
[03:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) jono: apt-get install upgrade-manager
[03:33] <hcker2000> when i select totem-xine to be installed it says it has to remove totem-gstreamer and ubuntu-desktop
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> ogra: would rather have my USB Wacom device working
[03:33] <jono> jdub, is it in there?
[03:33] <jono> wow
[03:33] (jdub/#ubuntu) yes
[03:33] <ogra> Phr0stByte: doeant it ?
[03:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: sounds fine
[03:33] <ogra> doesnt
[03:33] <PorscheBoy> fgdfg
[03:33] <Phr0stByte> nope
[03:33] <jono> jdub, I just read about it on a chaps blog, I didnt realise it was coded
[03:34] (whiprush/#ubuntu) evening everyone.
[03:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ubuntu-desktop is a changelog or something
[03:34] <osiris_22> how do you burn iso files in ubuntu?
[03:34] <hcker2000> GammaRay, ok and it dosnt return any thing for dvdcss
[03:34] (whiprush/#ubuntu) osiris_22: right click on the iso, you'll see a menu entry
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> ogra: havnt seen one work sinse kernel 2.4
[03:34] (whiprush/#ubuntu) jono: your album out yet?
[03:34] <ogra> Phr0stByte: is it recognized in the device manager ?
[03:34] <osiris_22> how do you watch dvds?
[03:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: that's in marillat for me
[03:34] <Phr0stByte> ogra: Oh, but it is
[03:35] <ogra> osiris_22 http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:35] <hcker2000> so do i just need to add that word to the end of the line u told me to add before?
[03:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: I'm not sure if the same exists for ppc...
[03:35] <ogra> Phr0stByte: what gives lsmod|grep wacom
[03:35] <hcker2000> oh how would i find out?
[03:35] <jono> whiprush, yep, its released now :) you can order it at www.seraphidian.com
[03:35] (whiprush/#ubuntu) excellent.
[03:36] <Phr0stByte> ogra: wacom                  12608  0
[03:36] <Phr0stByte> usbcore               115684  7 wacom,ehci_hcd,usbhid,usb_storage,ohci_hcd
[03:36] <jono> whiprush, did a great gig on fri, about 100 kids in a small room moshing like mad :)
[03:36] <ogra> Phr0stByte: hmm, its a X issue....a configuration thing :) but should be doable :)
[03:36] (whiprush/#ubuntu) heh
[03:36] <PorscheBoy> fdg
[03:37] <jono> this hardware database planned for hoary sounds interesting, what is the progress of it?
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> ogra: I put the stylu or mouse onto the pad, and the mouse pointer shoots to the upper right-hand corner and wont come down
[03:37] <Phr0stByte> *stylus
[03:37] <zenwhen> i just hope hoary a) doesnt choke using a 6800 with te nv driver b) actually know what an nvidia 6800 is
[03:37] <zenwhen> :)
[03:38] <ogra> Phr0stByte: you must define certain things in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file
[03:38] <hcker2000> GammaRay, any idea how i could find out if it exists? or is there a way to just compile the dvdcss?
[03:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: this this: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=libdvdcss2&arch%5B%5D=powerpc
[03:39] <PorscheBoy> zenwhen, u can get the latest driver from nvidia instead of getting it from ubuntu
[03:39] <zenwhen> Oh I know.
[03:39] <ogra> Phr0stByte: man wacom shows all options you can set.....
[03:39] <jeffreyb> Im new to U... Should I only uncomment universe when I need to install something thats not in the warty repos- then recomment universe? Or can I leave it uncommented always-even during apt-get upgrade?
[03:39] <zenwhen> Ive been running Ubintu for some time.
[03:39] <Phr0stByte> ogra: Yeah, tried all that
[03:39] <zenwhen> Im just saying for newbies with 6800's it would be nice for them to nit have to deal with that.
[03:39] <zenwhen> not*
[03:39] <thoreauputic> jeffreyb: just leave it
[03:39] <nevyn> jeffreyb: I'd leave it uncommented if you need to install anything from that source.
[03:39] <jomohke> I selected and then deleted 500 small text files in nautilus and it froze up. Eventually it said it was not responding and I had to force the quit. It auto restarted back to normal - at least the text files deleted.
[03:39] <nevyn> then it'll get security updates and such
[03:40] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: that repository seems to have it for ppc
[03:40] <ogra> Phr0stByte: with the right values ?
[03:40] <FTTP> anyone get cds from ubuntu yet? :
[03:40] <FTTP> i requested one after the deadline tho
[03:40] <hcker2000> GammaRay, ok let me look at that link u gave me
[03:40] <PorscheBoy> i just installed the latest driver from nvidia.com and it was kind of easy but i had to go thru a lot to get it to work though
[03:40] <jeffreyb> OK - thanks
[03:40] <Phr0stByte> ogra: I will keep working at it, but I have been at it for a couple months on and off
[03:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: also: http://freshmeat.net/projects/libdvdcss/
[03:41] <hcker2000> so which do i need to add all the ones that came up on that list?
[03:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deb http://debian.jones.dk sarge misc would be your best bet
[03:42] <hcker2000> ok
[03:42] <eruin> woohoo, almost got the ooo1.9 debs off people.debian ;D
[03:42] <PorscheBoy> just go to yahoo.com or google.com and search libdvdcss.tar.gz
[03:42] <ophie> i have a question about setting up and using ad-hoc wireless networks...
[03:43] <ophie> is there an easy way to use a wireless network discovered by "iwlist ath0 scan"
[03:43] <ogra> Phr0stByte: i had mine working ... also with 2.6 but they are in my storage now...(300km away....) so i cant test them with ubuntu
[03:44] <hcker2000> well when i add the sarge misc one it wont load it ?
[03:45] <ophie> i know you can set up profiles in /etc/network/interfaces, but i was looking more for a way to join a wireless network just as i'm running around
[03:46] <Phr0stByte> ogra: wouldnt happen to have a backup of your XF86Config-4 file would ya?
[03:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: could you be more specific?
[03:46] <potato> ophie, you could grep the iwlist output and join the essid
[03:46] <ogra> Phr0stByte: the machines are in hannover too ... sorry.... i'll be there on christmas though.....
[03:46] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows any good irc apps?
[03:47] <hcker2000> just loads the normal ones (all the ones before that one) and then dost seem to even try the other
[03:47] <ophie> potato, so would i just enter "iwconfig ath0 essid linksys" for example?
[03:47] <Phr0stByte> ogra: heh - I couldnt expect ya to remember a thing like that at Christmas time
[03:47] <potato> iwlist wlan0 scanning | grep ESSID
[03:47] <potato>                     ESSID:"MJH"
[03:47] <potato>                     ESSID:"drosoph"
[03:47] <tyrano> umm, whats the default root password :X
[03:47] <ophie> potato, then how would i start the interface?  using "ifup ath0" uses the /etc/network/interfaces file
[03:47] <Agrajag> tyrano: there is none.
[03:48] <Agrajag> tyrano: use sudo
[03:48] <potato> see, my neighbour still hasn't even bothered to put a mac filter on
[03:48] <ogra> Phr0stByte: but i will pick them up then i think :)
[03:48] <tyrano> i thought sudo asks for the password
[03:48] <tyrano> or is that su
[03:48] <potato> iwconfig ath0 essid whateveritis
[03:48] <Agrajag> tyrano: yes, it asks for YOUR password.
[03:48] <Agrajag> The one you used to log in
[03:48] <tyrano> oh i see
[03:48] <ogra> Phr0stByte: since ubuntu i think having my HW around is a good thing....
[03:48] <tyrano> and how do i start gnome o_O
[03:48] <tyrano> there is some init run level i remember
[03:48] <Agrajag> uh, it should start when you log in
[03:49] <tyrano> nah it didnt
[03:49] <PorscheBoy> anyone had problems running Unreal Tournament 2004?
[03:49] <ogra> tyrano: its _your_ password it ass for
[03:49] <eruin> tyrano, sudo gdm then
[03:49] <Agrajag> tyrano: you're at a console, logged in?
[03:49] <ogra> asks
[03:49] <ogra> sorry
[03:49] <tyrano> no im in windows right now
[03:49] <Gmail> GotD0t: g0tr00t
[03:49] <tyrano> but i was at console
[03:49] <Gmail> wtf
[03:49] <huttan> tyrano, if you want to use root you can just "sudo passwd root" and set a password for root, then su to it as usual
[03:49] <Agrajag> just startx, or sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[03:49] <Gmail> windows
[03:49] <tyrano> yeh i tried startx
[03:49] <tyrano> didnt work though
[03:49] <Phr0stByte> ogra: OK - that would be great
[03:49] <GotD0t> gmail: give it a rest dude... thats annoying
[03:49] <Agrajag> mind telling us what the error was then?
[03:50] <tyrano> couldn't locate startx
[03:50] <tyrano> install went fine though, no errors
[03:50] <tyrano> i dunno ;O
[03:50] <Gmail> tyrano: sudo dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:50] <Agrajag> no
[03:50] <Agrajag> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:50] <hcker2000> GammaRay, any ideas?.
[03:51] <Gmail> is this channel so stupid that can't give the answer
[03:51] <Gmail> Agrajag: i said it first
[03:51] <Agrajag> Gmail: you misspelled it.
[03:51] <Gmail> ooop
[03:51] <ophie> potato, once i use "iwconfig ath0 essid linksys" for example, how do i start the interface?
[03:51] <potato> ophie, I don't want to tell you non-ubuntu stuff
[03:51] <potato> ifconfig ath0 IP up
[03:52] <tyrano> gonna try it ;O
[03:52] <potato> also it won't let you muck around with iwconfig if your device is already up
[03:52] <mass> burning install media now
[03:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well the server *is* up
[03:52] <ogra> ophie: ifup ath0
[03:52] <hcker2000> GammaRay, u sure that is compatable with ubuntu?
[03:53] <ophie> ogra: ifup ath0 uses the config from the /etc/network/interfaces file...not an ad-hoc setting that i provide via "iwconfig"
[03:53] <ophie> potato: let me try your idea, thanks
[03:53] <potato> ophie, better listen to this folks
[03:53] <potato> I don't know ubuntu
[03:53] <ogra> ophie: you may want to have a look at prismstumbler...to scan for networks
[03:53] <ogra> ophie: true
[03:54] <potato> I just like the artwork :)
[03:54] <ogra> ophie: potato was rigth then....
[03:54] <potato> good ol nmap -sP 192.168.0.* works most of the time
[03:54] <ogra> potato: hmm gtk1.....
[03:55] <potato> and then add the default route to the gateway, and off you go
[03:55] <ogra> potato: thinking since a while about a gtk2 nmapfe.....
[03:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ubuntu is largely compatable w/ sarge
[03:56] <ophie> potato: this didn't work... "sudo iwconfig ath0 essid Maicubic ap 00:0C:41:76:9F:6E IP up"
[03:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: if you can't get that working maybe you should just compile libdvdcss
[03:56] <potato> ophie, don't bother with the ap
[03:56] <ogra> ophie: add an actial IP for IP
[03:57] <ophie> potato: it gave me the error "Error : unrecognised wireless request "up""
[03:57] <potato> I don't assign IPs with iwconfig
[03:57] <potato> I do that with ifconfig
[03:57] <potato> different program
[03:57] <hcker2000> GammaRay, ok the only issue with compiling it is iv never compiled any thing before?
[03:58] <potato> iwconfig <- part of wireless tools, for setting wireless settings
[03:58] <potato> ifconfig <- for configuring TCPIP related stuff on your network devices
[03:58] <aaroncuk> hey guys, my system keeps locking up, especially when i open screensaver menu. any ideas?
[03:59] <riffic> aaroncuk: my system locks with gnome
[03:59] <riffic> hoary?
[03:59] <ophie> potato: so the question is, how do you start a wireless network without using "ifup"?
[03:59] <aaroncuk> no warty
[03:59] <riffic> oh =(
[03:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you should install checkinstall so you can create a deb packagefrom the source
[03:59] <potato> eg I use
[03:59] <brdweb> speaking of iwconfig... i just got my system using my linksys wpc54g card tonight using ndiswrapper
[03:59] <riffic> i'm in hoary and i lock when gnome loads
[03:59] <potato> iwconfig wlan0 essid drosoph
[03:59] <riffic> I think it's nautilus doing something nauty
[03:59] <potato> ifconfig wlan0 192.168.0.30 up
[03:59] <riffic> no one's been able to figure it out
[03:59] <aaroncuk> some one mentioned open gl and reccomended putting on open gl screesaver to see if it locked.. and it does lol
[03:59] <potato> route add default gw 192.168.0.1
[04:00] <potato> bingo
[04:00] <ophie> potato: do i have to specify an IP?  or can i just use DHCP?
[04:00] <potato> ophie, you don't know if that network has a dhcp server
[04:00] <hcker2000> GammaRay, alright is checkinstall prity easy to use?
[04:00] <aaroncuk> as soon as i open the screensaver menu i t freezes
[04:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: cake (-;
[04:00] <ophie> potato: so i should guess an IP address, huh?
[04:01] <potato> ophie, it's your choice
[04:01] <ogra> lol
[04:01] <potato> I just do an nmap -sP 192.168.0.* or 192.168.1.*
[04:01] <potato> works most of the time
[04:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you extract the archive, do "./configure --prefix=/usr" then "make" then "sudo checkinstall"
[04:01] <PorscheBoy> ls
[04:02] <ophie> potato: thanks, let me try this out.  brb
[04:02] <hcker2000> GammaRay, sounds easy enough. whats the command to extract the archive agine?
[04:02] <potato> ^after setting some static IP
[04:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: depends.. a tar.bz2 would be tar xvjf file.tar.bz2
[04:03] <hcker2000> ok ill get the bz2
[04:03] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you can do that w/ file-roller in nautilus also
[04:04] <hcker2000> ill just go with the way u said before that way i dont have to ask any more questions lol
[04:05] <aaroncuk> hmm just loaded sessions and it froze too. this aint good!
[04:05] <aaroncuk> how can i sell this to a client lol.
[04:05] <potato> uhm, you can't ?
[04:05] <aaroncuk> more stability out of windows.. heaven forbid
[04:05] <potato> I would only sell a system to a client with a distribution I know well
[04:06] <aaroncuk> true lol.. ive only just started on ubuntu
[04:07] <potato> talked to a truck driver the other day, and he uses linux... heh
[04:07] <potato> he's only got 3 teeth in his mouth
[04:07] <hcker2000> GammaRay, one last problem it says it cant find configure
[04:07] <hcker2000> .configure
[04:07] <potato> ./configure
[04:07] <hcker2000> k
[04:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it's located in the folder you extracted
[04:08] <hcker2000> woops i better get a c comiler too
[04:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ./configure mearly runs a script file named configure
[04:08] <hcker2000> any recomentation
[04:08] <hcker2000> recomendation
[04:08] <potato> gcc
[04:08] <hcker2000> it lists gcc base as being installed do i need just the gcc pacakge too?
[04:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: apt-get install build-essential
[04:10] <hcker2000> ok its going
[04:11] <hcker2000> .configure still isnt doing any thing?
[04:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's ./configure
[04:11] <hcker2000> ./ did try and work last time but it said i had no c compiler
[04:11] <hcker2000> ok
[04:11] <potato> if you type .configure it will look for .configure in your path
[04:11] <genr> what a hacker you are, can't even run a config
[04:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sh configure would work also
[04:11] <potato> if you type ./configure it looks for configure in the dir you're in
[04:12] <hcker2000> lol notice how there is no A in my name lol
[04:12] <hcker2000> potato, got it thanks for the info
[04:13] <FTTP> :P
[04:14] <hcker2000> ok now how do i install this package i just made?
[04:14] <hcker2000> the sudo checkinstall worked ok
[04:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) did it create a deb file in your current dir?
[04:15] <hcker2000> yep
[04:15] <hcker2000> .deb file
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sudo dpkg -i *.deb should do it
[04:15] <hcker2000> ok
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm not sure the sudo in sudo checkinstall was really needed
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I was thinking for a sec it would install it for you
[04:16] <hcker2000> there i think it worked. now what is the command to totem-xine
[04:16] <hcker2000> i tryed just xine
[04:16] <hcker2000> and i tryed totem-xine
[04:16] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) should be just totem
[04:16] <hcker2000> oh wiff lol
[04:16] <admin0> i need some help to install eclipse on ubuntu
[04:17] <admin0> i need some help to install eclipse on ubuntu for the first time
[04:18] <hcker2000> alright whats the file on the dvd is it that loads it?
[04:18] <hcker2000> in totem that is
[04:18] <potato> I think you open the DVD
[04:18] <potato> no file
[04:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: should allow you to play in the file menu
[04:18] <FTTP> Canonical, Shuttleworth's OSS development outfit, undertook to distribute the software to early adopters via 340 000 CDs, free of charge, at a personal cost of $10 million. Ubuntu can also be downloaded via global mirror sites.
[04:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it does not need the dvd to be mounted I don't think
[04:19] <potato> iirc it's got some DVD button the control
[04:19] <FTTP> 10 mil for 340000 cds?
[04:19] <FTTP> wow
[04:19] <hcker2000> well the cd is in but for some reson it loads the dvd drive as a cd-rom
[04:19] <potato> you might have to tell xine which device is your dvd drive
[04:20] <ogra> hcker2000: i had this issue with someone else today...for some reason it worked after relogin
[04:20] <hcker2000> ok let me try the relogin
[04:20] <ogra> hcker2000: is libdvdread installed ?
[04:20] <hcker2000> if not ill be back
[04:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: libdvdcss, from source in /usr
[04:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: w/ checkinstall
[04:21] <ogra> GammaRay: libdvdread too ? not sure if its needed though....
[04:21] <admin0> please for the cause
[04:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ogra: not sure.. but I have it installed
[04:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) that's in universe?
[04:23] <ogra> admin0: there were hints and howtos in the mailing lists i think.... not sure if ubuntu-user or -devel ....
[04:23] <admin0> wich mailing list^
[04:23] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) actually it seems to be in main.. afaik
[04:23] <ogra> GammaRay: yep
[04:24] <hcker2000> GammaRay, well thats a no go
[04:24] <ogra> admin0: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[04:25] <ogra> admin0: they got a gmane interface too....(better search func)
[04:25] <s0cks> ogra : I can't wait till the penguin release.
[04:25] <FTTP> so do you, ubuntu?
[04:25] <FTTP> :P
[04:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: do you have libdvdread installed?
[04:25] <ogra> s0cks: lest first wait for hoary :)
[04:26] <hcker2000> GammaRay, good question let me look
[04:26] <hcker2000> yep libdvdread3
[04:27] <ogra> GammaRay: does checkinst adjust the install paths ? or does it install in /usr/local ?
[04:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmmm good point
[04:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu)  it installs whereever you set the prefix
[04:28] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: did you do ./configure w/ --prefix=/usr ?
[04:28] <s0cks> ogra : hoary looks buggy
[04:28] <ogra> GammaRay: the linker does not know about /usr/local/lib
[04:29] <hcker2000> i did ./configure --prefix=/usr
[04:29] <ogra> s0cks: hoary is a month old....has 5 to grow.....
[04:29] <s0cks> ogra : Still looks buggy at the moment.
[04:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: dpkg -L libdvdcss to be sure
[04:30] <s0cks> ogra : Penguin will probably build on it though, so it is crucial. Could they delay hoary if it sucked?
[04:30] <ogra> s0cks: but be sure ... its stable if its released
[04:30] <s0cks> ogra : I just wish that the names could be... less creative.
[04:30] (jdub/#ubuntu) s0cks: hoary is in 100% hardcore development mode. it's dogfoodable, but not bugfree.
[04:31] <ogra> s0cks: suggest some new ones....
[04:31] <s0cks> What did they actually do at the conference? Sit and watch porno or something?
[04:31] <hcker2000> not installed it says
[04:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: probably have the name wrong..
[04:32] <s0cks> ogra : Something like 'Operation Assasin' and 'Operation Brunt Force.
[04:32] <hcker2000> well when it asked me what to name it in the makeinstall i did dvdcss
[04:32] <hcker2000> and it says that isnt installed eather
[04:33] <ogra> s0cks: i think there was a wiki page where you could add suggestions....
[04:33] <s0cks> Since there is no Root Account, what can you use to make administrative changes?
[04:33] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[04:33] <Gnobody> please help
[04:33] <s0cks> ogra : They are in a rut. They won't do anything new.
[04:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: dpkg -l '*libdvdcss*'
[04:34] <hcker2000> no packages found matching
[04:34] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: dpkg -l '*css*'
[04:34] <hcker2000> no packages found
[04:35] <ogra> s0cks: but the names are open...and a release every 6 months requires a lot of names :)
[04:35] <s0cks> ogra : Linky. I am too lazy to go to wikipedia.org.
[04:36] <hcker2000> hey i got to go grab some food real quick private message me with any ideas/things to do ok
[04:36] <s0cks> /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst
[04:38] <ogra> s0cks: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PossibleReleaseNames
[04:39] <osiris_22> does anyone know why i have problems sending files to people on windows even via dcc on xchat
[04:39] <osiris_22> like i can send files to anyone using linux
[04:39] <osiris_22> but if its someone using windows they cant seem to catch the file
[04:41] <potato> prolly some evil bill bug
[04:41] <orchid> has the problem been copied on the windows system
[04:41] <orchid> can they send something to you
[04:41] <osiris_22> also
[04:41] <osiris_22> umm it says it cant mount my floppy
[04:41] <osiris_22> ????
[04:42] <orchid> what does 'mount' say
[04:42] <FTTP> this was from a takehome quiz:
[04:42] <FTTP> Compare the incentives that both SCO and Mr. Boies have to pursue this litigation under three possible compensation arrangements for Mr. Boies:
[04:43] <FTTP> man homework time and boies's name came up
[04:43] <osiris_22> it says cant mount something /media/something
[04:43] <orchid> fd0 ?
[04:43] <FTTP> Based on this analysis, would you expect to see deals like this in the future if a large part of the value of a company is related to intangible litigation assets?
[04:43] <FTTP> FIN 423 class
[04:44] <orchid> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3687 maybe of assistance
[04:44] <osiris_22> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[04:44] <osiris_22> thats what it said
[04:45] <orchid> try, mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[04:45] <osiris_22> mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[04:45] <orchid> check dmesg maybe if any errors show from boot
[04:46] <orchid> dmesg | tail -20
[04:46] <osiris_22> it sees both of my cd drives
[04:46] <s0cks> ogra : My idea is posted
[04:46] <osiris_22> i couldnt get it to see my ntfs
[04:46] <s0cks> But since I am new to editing a wiki, it looks all f#$%ed up
[04:46] <tyrano> it worked ;O
[04:47] <tyrano> i reinstalled and gnome loaded this time ;O
[04:48] <osiris_22> its annoying
[04:48] <tyrano> theres a lot of upnp errors when i first boot up though, should i worry though
[04:48] <osiris_22> everything about ubuntu is ok accept that
[04:48] <osiris_22> and taht bothers me haha
[04:48] <s0cks> fonger ogra
[04:49] <gson> ive got a little problem with my hz. cant do more than 87hz in 1024x768
[04:49] <gson> want 120hz
[04:49] <s0cks> gson : that should be enough 8(
[04:49] <gson> nah it isnt
[04:49] <stuNNed> gson, don't we all :)
[04:49] <stuNNed> gson, would like at least 100hz here as well but at 85hz
[04:49] <s0cks> Making me feel bad. Because I opted for a flat panel moniter, it runs at 75 hz in 1200 by 1024
[04:49] <gson> need 120hz because r_Displayrefresh 120 in q3
[04:49] <gson> :)
[04:49] <gson> pro gamer hihi
[04:49] <stuNNed> gson, lol
[04:49] <gson> :)
[04:50] <gson> yepp its mega lol
[04:50] <osiris_22> oh well most computers dont even come with floppys anymore
[04:50] <gson> do you guys know the prob?
[04:50] <osiris_22> i dont need it
[04:50] <osiris_22> really
[04:50] <osiris_22> do i guys?
[04:50] <tyrano> i never use one :/
[04:50] <tyrano> cds are cheaper than floppies ;O
[04:50] <osiris_22> i wanna use one to send a screen shot but its not big deal and im afraid to burn cds because of this error i read aobut lol
[04:51] <osiris_22> and i dont even know if it sees my dvdrw/cdrw as a burner lmao
[04:51] <s0cks> Play CS
[04:51] <s0cks> it is happy with 75
[04:52] <gson> cs:)
[04:52] <gson> q3 only.
[04:52] <s0cks> TFC DOD > Q3 (I used to play Q3A
[04:53] <gson> nice nice
[04:53] <gson> 3wcctf q3ospctfs
[04:53] <gson> :)
[04:53] <gson> 3wospctf also. but its to easy
[04:55] <jono> here I go, hoary packages are installing now, eek!
[04:55] <s0cks> Hoary has a tendency to eat up information and stuff.
[04:56] <potato> tis hungry, hey ?
[04:56] <jono> is beagle packaged for hoary?
[04:57] <s0cks> That guy that started the ubuntu petition isn't back yet, is he?
[04:57] <mass> hoary beagle?
[04:57] <wm_eddie> If beagle is in hoary, I'm switching right now.
[04:57] <tyrano> whats beagle
[04:57] <jono> ubuntu petition?
[04:58] <jono> beagle is a smart searching tool
[04:58] <mass> is hoary in beagle?
[04:58] <jono> heh
[04:58] <mass> (I keep thinking hoary hoary hippos)
[04:58] <s0cks> hoary hedgehog?
[04:59] <s0cks> Explain that one.
[04:59] <tyrano> wait so...there is no root in ubuntu?
[04:59] <wm_eddie> tyrano: nope.
[04:59] <Agrajag> tyrano: sure there is
[04:59] <wm_eddie> use sudo
[04:59] <Agrajag> wm_eddie: yes, the root account still exists
[04:59] <mass> ahh, no root account?
[04:59] <hcker2000> any one seen GammaRay?
[04:59] <Agrajag> sudo su -
[04:59] <mass> sorry, no root account login? :)
[04:59] <s0cks> /var/lib/dpkg/info/sed.postinst
[04:59] <Agrajag> mass: no password.
[04:59] <tyrano> ok, but it has no password
[05:00] <jono> what is the ubuntu petition?
[05:00] <mass> for a while, I just couldn't get around that
[05:00] <mass> now I just love it
[05:00] <tyrano> so if my system gets compromised, the attacker could run stuff as root though right?
[05:00] <potato> sounds like a great way to make linux insecure
[05:00] <tyrano> since there is only one account now to go after?
[05:01] <s0cks> tyrano : They could go into sudo
[05:01] <mass> now if you could go to a capabilities and authentication service model and get rid of the root account altogether.. :)
[05:01] <tyrano> right
[05:01] <tyrano> that doesnt sound good though :|
[05:01] <Agrajag> tyrano: only if they got your password
[05:01] <s0cks> tyrano : odds are, your system wont be compromised by an ubuntu wiz.
[05:01] <tyrano> but im not root right now though right?
[05:01] <potato> if they hack some app you're using they don't need your password
[05:01] <tyrano> i dont have admin priveleges?
[05:02] <Agrajag> potato: whta
[05:02] <Agrajag> potato: even if they got HIS priveleges and opened a shell, they'd need his password to run sudo.
[05:02] <mass> is there actually plans in the future to allow /boot or the root to be done via software raid?
[05:02] <Agrajag> unless he used nopass in /etc/sudoers, which is retarded.
[05:02] <s0cks> When users have to come in here and say 'how do I install a graphics card', your system is safe!
[05:02] <mass> it took me a while to configure my system because I didn't realize the root requirement was there :)
[05:03] <potato> they could change his password
[05:03] <Agrajag> potato: could they?
[05:03] <Agrajag> You have to enter your current password to do that.
[05:03] <mass> potato: you have to know the original password to change a user's password
[05:03] <mass> unless you are root
[05:03] <wm_eddie> When I first installed Ubuntu, I created a root account in Single-user mode thinking it was a bug... :)
[05:03] <potato> are there any protections about brute forcing it ?
[05:03] <mass> which requires the user's password with sudo ;-)
[05:03] <s0cks> potato : 'they' could launch his hard drive out of a potato launcher if 'they' wanted to.
[05:03] <wm_eddie> or rather, gave the root account a password
[05:03] <Agrajag> potato: well no
[05:04] <Agrajag> wait, maybe
[05:04] <mass> how is the shadow file accessed? I thought they had to go through pam
[05:04] <tyrano> so there is a root account, but it has no password, but the account is disabled?
[05:04] <mass> which throttled attempts
[05:04] <Agrajag> if you fail too many times with sudo, you might get locked out. You can set that, I don't know if ubuntu has that set
[05:04] <wm_eddie> oh and a word of warning, DO NOT launch firefox under sudo! It'll erase your bookmarks!
[05:04] <FTTP> who was i discussing the sco lawsuit with last time?
[05:04] <Agrajag> mass: I believe they do.
[05:04] <mass> tyrano: it has password disabled, the account itself (user with uid 0) still exists
[05:04] <FTTP> if ur here, join #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:04] <ogra> tyrano: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:04] <tyrano> this is very strange
[05:05] <wm_eddie> tyrano: If you don't like it do sudo su and run passwd...
[05:05] <wm_eddie> or sudo passwd...
[05:05] <mass> wm_eddie: for a long time, distributions shipped netscape navigator 4.x versions with a script in front which would refuse to start the browser if you were root
[05:05] <tyrano> i didnt say i didnt like it, its just strange
[05:05] <jono> tyrano, it is odd, I found it weird at furst too
[05:05] <mass> I hate passwords of '*'
[05:05] <mass> I change mine to ''
[05:06] <Agrajag> why do you hate '*'?
[05:06] <wm_eddie> mass: The thing is I ran the firefox 1.0 installer and did a systemwide install and on the last page it has a Launch browser now checkmark....
[05:06] <Agrajag> You know why it's *, right?
[05:06] <hcker2000> the **** remoinds you of windows to much right
[05:06] <mass> Agarajag: I figured it wasn't special cased; it just had to be under a certain # of characters
[05:06] <mass> so that you could not consider the value seed+hash
[05:06] <Agrajag> mass: no password will ever has to anything containing a *
[05:06] <wm_eddie> And I lost all my bookmarks next time I ran it.  Imagine how surprised I was.
[05:06] <Agrajag> hash
[05:07] <mass> ahh
[05:07] <mass> that too :)
[05:07] <mass> but even if I changed it to xxxxxxxx, it still wouldn't go through I would imagine
[05:07] <mass> beccause you can't hash something to seven x's :)
[05:07] <Agrajag> so if you want to temporarily disable an account, you can just put a * at the beginning or end of their hash in /etc/shadow
[05:07] <wm_eddie> maybe I should submit that as a bug report to the installer folks...
[05:07] <Agrajag> mass: you can't?
[05:07] <Agrajag> well, I suppose not
[05:08] <mass> hashes are always to a fixed length
[05:08] <Agrajag> right
[05:08] <Agrajag> still
[05:08] <mass> stars are better ;-)
[05:08] <Agrajag> anyway, that's why it's *
[05:08] <mass> blanks aren't
[05:09] <PorscheBoy> ls
[05:09] <mass> PorscheBoy: file not found
[05:09] <ogra> hehe
[05:09] <mass> one time someone was sending admin commands to me on irc, thinking I was his bot
[05:09] <mass> he sent me his password in a dcc chat
[05:09] <PorscheBoy> anyone in here knows alot about bitchX?
[05:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass: lol
[05:09] <ogra> lol
[05:09] <mass> and I responded 'Invalid Password, Try again'
[05:09] <ogra> hehehehe
[05:10] <potato> haha
[05:10] <mass> so he sent it to me again!
[05:10] <mass> 'Password Valid this Thime.'
[05:10] <mass> ':)'
[05:10] <ogra> hehe
[05:10] <mass> I think the smiley pissed him off
[05:10] <PorscheBoy> mass: lol...ur a funny dude, huh?
[05:10] <Gnobody> I need help enabling DMA on my SATA HDD and DVD-RW hdparm freaks out.  It is an onboard Via controller.
[05:10] <Gnobody> please help
[05:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) what does := mean in the deb rules file?
[05:11] <mass> assignment?
[05:11] <PorscheBoy> anyway, anybody in here using bitchX?
[05:12] <ogra> night guys...
[05:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) mass: I have also seen +=
[05:12] <moon> Arrgggg!!! I'm frustrated and need some help... Examining dmesg I can tell that my dvd drive is being detected on hdd but /dev/hdd is missing. Does anyone have any experience with this?
[05:12] <ljlane> GammaRay: debian/riles is typicaly a makefile. See the documentation for GNU make.
[05:12] <ljlane> +l
[05:13] <mass> GammaRay: that usually means append to or add to; a += 1 for ints means a <- a + 1
[05:13] <mass> for strings it usually means a = a.append("1")
[05:13] <mass> err, <- whatever
[05:19] <tyrano> where is the kernel source?
[05:21] <drac> kernel.org
[05:21] <drac> :)
[05:21] <tyrano> oh it doesnt get instaleld?
[05:22] <pinkee> look in /usr/src
[05:23] <pinkee> just a guess
[05:24] <ophie> hey potato: so i've been trying the following, using "iwconfig ath0 essid BenQ", then "ifconfig ath0 192.168.0.30 up"
[05:24] <tyrano> im supposed to find a /build directory :/
[05:24] <ophie> potato: then using "nmap -sP 192.168.0.*" only yields my own IP address being up...
[05:25] <ophie> potato: but i'm still having trouble getting it to work.  i see that i am getting a signal % in the gnome wireless applet, but can't get an IP or connection
[05:26] <pinkee> tyrano: it's installed from a .deb so there is no source per se.
[05:26] <pinkee> sorry
[05:27] <jono> hi all
[05:27] <tyrano> oh i see...so i cant install this utility then :X
[05:27] <pinkee> why do you need the build?
[05:27] <jono> how can I see if I am running X.org?
[05:27] <tyrano> to install acpi4asus ;O
[05:27] <tyrano> If your kernel tree is not in /lib/modules/<kernel_version_you_use>/build
[05:27] <tyrano> etc :X
[05:27] <pinkee> tyrano: you could get crazy and compile your own kernel
[05:28] <jono> anyone?
[05:28] <pinkee> 23:27 < jono> how can I see if I am running X.org?
[05:28] <pinkee> oops
[05:28] <pinkee> mouse error
[05:29] <magneto> anyone setup bootsplash?
[05:29] <FTTP> I ubuntu, do you?
[05:30] <FTTP> new slogan
[05:30] <Agrajag> do U buntu?
[05:30] <Agrajag> :(
[05:31] <FTTP> agrajag thats better :P
[05:31] <FTTP> ok we agree
[05:31] <FTTP> :)
[05:31] <huttan> how do i remove a package that hasnt been installed yet using dpkg? i can see it in list but not remove it
[05:31] <FTTP> agrajag:  im gonna see if there were new development snapshot for hoary :)
[05:31] <Agrajag> oh goody
[05:31] <Agrajag> I'm sticking to warty
[05:31] <FTTP> prolly tomorrow
[05:31] <pinkee> huttan: dpkg --purge foo
[05:32] <Agrajag> I ran gentoo for too long, I'm sick of bleeding-edge whatevers that break all the time
[05:32] <huttan> pinkee, tried...gets same complaint
[05:32] <pinkee> what error?
[05:32] <FTTP> agrajag:  I tried novell linux 9......... has some nicities but needs ALOT of work
[05:32] <Agrajag> yes, such as a free release
[05:32] <FTTP> agrajag:  lol
[05:32] <FTTP> it is free
[05:32] <xoxoxo> hello
[05:32] <Agrajag> oh, is it?
[05:32] <FTTP> with 30 month updates
[05:32] <FTTP> err 30 day
[05:33] <FTTP> evaluation version
[05:33] <Agrajag> I thought they were charging
[05:33] <Agrajag> oh
[05:33] <Agrajag> ew
[05:33] <FTTP> 30 day updates, after that u pay
[05:33] <Agrajag> oh
[05:33] <Agrajag> updates
[05:33] <Agrajag> eh
[05:33] <FTTP> for the updates yeah
[05:33] <FTTP> ubuntu needs usplash :)
[05:33] <FTTP> and graphical debian install
[05:33] <xoxoxo> as far as i understand, ubuntu has no concept of "stable/testing/unstable" as the original debian, rite?
[05:33] <FTTP> and some new autodetection tools
[05:34] <FTTP> well i can go on
[05:34] <FTTP> but they are being added for hoary or the next one
[05:34] <Xenguy> xoxoxo: it's a snapshot of Debian/sid AFAIK, modified somewhat
[05:34] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  Yes they do
[05:34] <Agrajag> xoxoxo: Warty is stable
[05:34] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  testing = developmental
[05:34] <Agrajag> Hoary is dev/testing
[05:34] <huttan> pinkee, it ignores it since it hasnt been installed
[05:35] <FTTP> unstable uhmmm
[05:35] <FTTP> not sure on unstable
[05:35] <pinkee> huttan
[05:35] <huttan> yepp
[05:35] <pinkee> huttan: dpkg -L foo
[05:35] <FTTP> unstable = sounder-test?
[05:35] <FTTP> those?
[05:35] <FTTP> dunno
[05:35] <huttan> says it's not installed
[05:35] <pinkee> so?
[05:36] <pinkee> i'm confused
[05:36] <FTTP> no thats warty
[05:36] <FTTP> test release of warty
[05:36] <huttan> but when i try to install the other package i want using dpkg it complains about this one
[05:36] <FTTP> hmm
[05:36] <FTTP> dunno
[05:36] <pinkee> use apt?
[05:36] <jono> just rebooted - all is good with hoary :)
[05:36] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:36] <pinkee> use a apt-get -f install
[05:36] <huttan> pinkee, there's gotta be someway to remove it from my dpkg list
[05:37] <fabbione> FTTP: hi... i marked the bug invalid again :-)
[05:37] <pinkee> then dpkg -r foo it
[05:37] <fabbione> FTTP: i guess the answer from the vendor is clear enough :-)
[05:37] <FTTP> fabbione:  there is no problem with the monitor
[05:37] <FTTP> fabbione:  But i posted it to show the resolutions it supports
[05:37] <huttan> pinkee, gets same error
[05:37] <jono> is x.org is hoary by default?
[05:37] <FTTP> fabbione:  its the hardware detection mechanism :P
[05:38] <fabbione> FTTP: than i don't understand the answer from the vendor
[05:38] <huttan> pinkee, it's fglrx-control
[05:38] <fabbione> jono: yes
[05:38] <huttan> pinkee, got the right package installed using force tho
[05:38] <pinkee> ok what package are you trying to install?
[05:38] <fabbione> FTTP: well the DDC information it returns you mean
[05:38] <pinkee> ok
[05:38] <jono> fabbione, is there a command I can run to verify this?
[05:38] <pinkee> huttuncool
[05:38] <FTTP> fabbione:  im not sure, your the expert :P
[05:38] <huttan> pinkee, ever used fglrx-control?
[05:39] <pinkee> huttan: nope. what is it?
[05:39] <fabbione> jono: see if /vat/log/Xorg.0.log exists
[05:39] <pinkee> hi kwoo :)
[05:39] <huttan> pinkee, supposed to be a program to configure my ati graphics card
[05:39] <FTTP> fabbione:  you saw the files tho right?
[05:39] <kwoo> Hello, pinkee.
[05:39] <jono> fabbione, it doesnt
[05:39] <huttan> pinkee, beats me how i gonna do it when it doesnt install any executeable or anything tho :)
[05:40] <FTTP> fabbione:  It saw it detected the correct general values but didnt detect the better refresh rates
[05:40] <pinkee> is it a module?
[05:40] <FTTP> fabbione thats my observation
[05:40] <fabbione> jono: did you upgrade from warty?
[05:40] <fabbione> FTTP: hold on
[05:40] <jono> fabbione, yes - I amon PPC
[05:40] <FTTP> fabbione:  I just saw the line where it had the total res...... which were correct
[05:40] <huttan> pinkee, nope
[05:40] <fabbione> jono: you need to do edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <fabbione> jono: and change warty yo hoary
[05:41] <fabbione> jono: apt-get update
[05:41] <fabbione> jono: apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:41] <xoxoxo> FTTP: i asked about stable/unstable/testing since looking at /etc/apt/sources.list, there is no such "branch"?
[05:41] <jono> fabbione, I did, I dist-upgraded
[05:41] <fabbione> jono: and be sure to have ubuntu-desktop installed
[05:41] <pinkee> huttan: so you installed this pkg, and does it have a man page?
[05:41] <huttan> hmm, interesting
[05:41] <FTTP> fabbione:  Novell desktop 9 did a better at refresh rates
[05:41] <fabbione> FTTP: ok.. hold on a few secs
[05:41] <huttan> nope, not for that name atleast
[05:41] <FTTP> ok
[05:41] <huttan> anyone had any experience with fglrx-control?
[05:41] <jono> ahhh ubuntu-desktop was not installed
[05:42] <fabbione> (II) NVIDIA(0): Generic Monitor: Using hsync range of 31.00-107.00 kHz
[05:42] <fabbione> (II) NVIDIA(0): Generic Monitor: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-160.00 Hz
[05:42] <pinkee> run updatedb then locate for that pkg name and i bet you find docs
[05:42] <FTTP> fabbione:  Right those were correct
[05:42] <fabbione> FTTP: this is what it is detected by the driver
[05:42] <FTTP> fabbione:  Yep.....
[05:42] <huttan> pinkee, i do...but only a copyright one is there
[05:42] <fabbione> (**) NVIDIA(0):      Default mode "1600x1200": 229.5 MHz, 106.2 kHz, 85.0 Hz
[05:42] <pinkee> bizarre
[05:42] <fabbione> FTTP: this looks ok to me
[05:42] <huttan> strange
[05:43] <FTTP> fabbione:  What was it for 1024x768?
[05:43] <pinkee> google would be my next step
[05:43] <huttan> already on it :)
[05:44] <fabbione> FTTP: it has 3 matches.. the top at 85Hz
[05:44] <FTTP> fabbione:  my top is over 100
[05:44] <FTTP> fabbione top figures were in the one that hitachi gave me
[05:44] <fabbione>         Identifier      "Generic Monitor"
[05:44] <fabbione>         HorizSync       31-107
[05:44] <fabbione>         VertRefresh     50-160
[05:44] <fabbione> this is correct
[05:44] <fabbione> FTTP: it might be a driver bug
[05:45] <huttan> Note: You might want to install the fglrx-control package, which provides a control panel to configure graphics card options such as dual-head display (two monitors)
[05:45] <FTTP> fabbione:  yup the outline is correct
[05:45] <FTTP> fabbione:  I dont understand why it put 85 on the others
[05:45] <huttan> supposed to be something graphical, so i should really be able to run it
[05:46] <FTTP> fabbione:   which package detected the rates?
[05:46] <FTTP> was that part of xfree?
[05:46] <fabbione> FTTP: the problem here is not xresprobe
[05:46] <fabbione> FTTP: because that one detects the monitor properly
[05:46] <FTTP> how can you tell?
[05:46] <FTTP> ok
[05:46] <FTTP> fabbione so which app puts the rates in ?
[05:46] <fabbione> FTTP: i can tell according to what you wrote
[05:46] <fabbione> :-)
[05:47] <fabbione> FTTP: that's the driver that decide the best combinations of resolutions/refresh rates
[05:47] <FTTP> fabbione:  I mean which app does the lines which has 85mhz ?
[05:47] <FTTP> ahhh ok
[05:47] <fabbione> the X server
[05:47] <FTTP> so thats the nvidia driver?
[05:47] <FTTP> or is it the Xfree86?
[05:48] <fabbione> the nvidia driver
[05:48] <fabbione> well X loads the driver and trust it
[05:48] <FTTP> yeah i think its the X
[05:48] <fabbione> X doesn't know anything about monitors
[05:48] <fabbione> the driver does
[05:48] <FTTP> oh
[05:48] <fabbione> FTTP: on the otherside
[05:48] <FTTP> fabbione cause with novell linux 9 which i tried, it didnt detect it right either but then i selected the monitor from a list
[05:48] <FTTP> and it worked
[05:48] <fabbione> the X server provides a list of known refresh rates to the driver
[05:49] <FTTP> all the OS's dont detect it correctly for some reason :P
[05:49] <FTTP> maybe ill try a different video card
[05:49] <fabbione> FTTP: no you should try to find out the modelines
[05:49] <FTTP> just to see if it does anything
[05:50] <FTTP> fabbione:  Well yeah for my own use not a problem
[05:50] <xoxoxo> anybody knows how to upgrade my Firefox to the latest (1.0) version using apt-get?
[05:50] <xoxoxo> my default Firefox is still 0.9.2 ;(
[05:51] <xoxoxo> apt-get install mozilla-firefox reports "you have the newest version already" :-(
[05:51] <FTTP> fabbione:  if its nvidia driver then thats not due to opensource
[05:51] <FTTP> the nvidia glx driver is closed source right?
[05:51] <FTTP> ok close out the bug :)
[05:52] <fabbione> FTTP: correct
[05:52] <fabbione> the nvidia is binary only
[05:52] <FTTP> fabbione ill contact nvidia
[05:52] <fabbione> but don't expect that the nv driver will work any better
[05:52] <FTTP> for the heck of it
[05:52] <fabbione> it's the 2d part of the driver, done by the same people
[05:52] <fabbione> and the code is REALLY obscure
[05:53] <FTTP> yep
[05:53] <fabbione> but yes, you can contact them
[05:53] <FTTP> fabbione:  Easiest way is to have a monitor selection in gnome
[05:53] <fabbione> or wait for daniels to upload the new x.org release
[05:53] <FTTP> eventually
[05:53] <FTTP> or to see if x.org fixes it yeah
[05:53] <fabbione> FTTP: the monitor selection you see around in other distro is useless
[05:54] <FTTP> why?
[05:54] <fabbione> it's a database built on top of collecting tons of ddc probe
[05:54] <FTTP> ahh i see
[05:54] <FTTP> interesting
[05:54] <fabbione> and you will get the same results as now
[05:54] <fabbione> no more no less
[05:54] <flamesrock> has anybody got their cd's yet?
[05:54] <fabbione> FTTP: when we designed the autodetection we did look at everything available
[05:55] <FTTP> ok
[05:55] <fabbione> including this monitor selection database
[05:55] <hcker2000> any one know why i would be geting Error: could not create mount point: File exists after i pumount /dev/cdrom and then did pmount /dev/cdrom ?
[05:55] <FTTP> fabbione:  yeah thats something the team at large should decide as to which is best
[05:55] <fabbione> and while i was integrating it, i suddenly realize that it was crack
[05:55] <fabbione> specially when xresprobe was returning the same faulty values for my monitor, exactly like in the db
[05:56] <FTTP> gotcha
[05:56] <fabbione> poking around i found out that it was built from people sending ddc info to the people managing this db
[05:56] <fabbione> -> Trash
[05:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: is there anything regarding /dev/cdrom in /etc/mtab?
[05:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) does the mount cmd say it's mounted?
[05:57] <FTTP> fabbione:  how about a built in tool like some of those websites which figure out modprobes :P
[05:57] <FTTP> fabbione i guess it prolly is the driver tho
[05:58] <fabbione> FTTP: that might be an idea.. please discuss it on ubuntu-devel mailing list
[05:58] <fabbione> but also add references on where to find these tools
[05:58] <fabbione> and bug daniels for get it working :-)
[05:59] <FTTP> fabbione:  i can just go to a website and enter in my figures and it figures out the modlines
[05:59] <FTTP> but then isnt that what the hardware detection does?
[05:59] <fabbione> FTTP: yes.. but we need the source code :-)
[05:59] <FTTP> or as u said, its part due to the driver?
[05:59] <fabbione> no, i said that X pass some modelines to the driver
[05:59] <FTTP> ohh
[05:59] <fabbione> and the driver finds the match
[05:59] <FTTP> gotcha
[06:00] <fabbione> X has a well known list of modelines
[06:00] <fabbione> "known" as in "known to be": a) working, b) safe
[06:00] <FTTP> yes my monitor works fine
[06:00] <FTTP> just doesnt detect higher rates
[06:00] <FTTP> which can be manually added
[06:00] <fabbione> exactly
[06:01] <Pariente> hi u all
[06:01] <FTTP> im not in disagreement since there is no way to change refresh rates on the fly right?
[06:01] <FTTP> err i mean it has to detect the modline
[06:01] <FTTP> in order to use that rate
[06:01] <fabbione> correct
[06:01] <hcker2000> GammaRay, sory had to run and do some thing let me see about mtab
[06:02] <hcker2000> GammaRay, actualy what exatly do u want me to do with /etc/mtab?
[06:03] <FTTP> fabbione:  Ill wait for the x.org and see how that goes
[06:03] <fabbione> ok
[06:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) KNEEL BEFORE XORG!
[06:04] <xoxoxo> FTTP: do you know how to install the latest firefox with apt-get ?
[06:04] <tyrano> this might be a dumb question, but how do you install rpms :X
[06:04] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: see if /dev/whatever is in it
[06:05] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  www.firefox.com
[06:05] <FTTP> err mozilla.org
[06:05] <FTTP> sorry
[06:05] <hcker2000> just with ls? or do need to open it with a file editor?
[06:05] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  Im not sure if its on there, search universe for  it
[06:05] <FTTP> if not theres always mozilla.org
[06:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: use: less /etc/mtab
[06:05] <xoxoxo> FTTP: i enable universe, but there is no new version
[06:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: q to quit
[06:05] <hcker2000> /dev/hda3 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
[06:05] <hcker2000> usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0
[06:06] <Pariente> can some one give me a URL where they can explain me how to accelerate my hardware 3D with an intel 815 board
[06:06] <hcker2000> wops sory forgot this is the channel window
[06:06] <FTTP> xoxoxo then mozilla.org
[06:06] <xoxoxo> FTTP: so there is no "testing" or "unstable" as debian?
[06:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well it's not mounted according to that
[06:06] <xoxoxo> FTTP: yes i will try that, but prefer using apt-get
[06:06] <FTTP> xoxoxo:  http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox&os=linux&lang=en-US
[06:07] <hcker2000> GammaRay, so do i need to do mount /dev/cdrom
[06:07] <hcker2000> ?
[06:07] <osiris_22> is there any new updates for gaim?
[06:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: pmount /dev/cdrom
[06:07] <s0cks> Don't wanna wait till you know me better
[06:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: actually.. why don't you try to play the dvd the hack of it, before you do that
[06:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it does not need to be mounted to play
[06:08] <hcker2000> i tryed didnt get any thing and this is the error Error: could not create mount point: File exists
[06:08] <tyrano> is there a ubuntu manual
[06:08] <osiris_22> when i try to send files on fucken gaim it crashes.. and i cant get files to go threw on amsn
[06:08] <s0cks> online
[06:08] <osiris_22> nor xchat
[06:08] <tyrano> just the wiki?
[06:11] <LinuxJones> osiris_22, it's probably crashing cause Microsoft only wants msn-msn file transfers
[06:11] <xoxoxo> anybody uses ieee1394 with ubuntu? it doesnt work for me. unlike my usbkey, ubuntu does nothing when i plugged my external hdd to the machine. any idea on this ?
[06:11] <osiris_22> it does it when i try to send over the aim part of gaim too
[06:12] <zenwhen> osiris_22,
[06:12] <zenwhen> have you upgraded gaim?
[06:12] <zenwhen> are you running hoary?
[06:12] <osiris_22> no im using the game that came on warty
[06:12] <osiris_22> or how ever its spelled
[06:12] <zenwhen> Oh
[06:12] <zenwhen> upaen synaptic and see if theres a newer one.
[06:13] <hcker2000> any one got any ideas on geting the dvd out of here?
[06:13] <osiris_22> i did there isnt lol
[06:13] <zenwhen> 1.0.3 has been sweet about not crashing during transfers
[06:13] <osiris_22> i was working and letting me send files for a wile
[06:13] <osiris_22> then it started crashen
[06:13] <zenwhen> Its always been a bit buggy.
[06:13] <osiris_22> so i tried restarting
[06:13] <osiris_22> and it still does it everytime
[06:17] <xoxoxo> FTTP: technically what makes .deb from debian repository not compatible with ubuntu?
[06:18] <hcker2000> darn i was realy hoping this was the last ppc distro i would have to try
[06:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: maybe you could restart )-:
[06:19] <jono> hey
[06:20] <jono> I am having problems with X.org - my display is really wavy
[06:20] <hcker2000> GammaRay, yea ill give that a try and see if i can get it to eject before i get into linux
[06:20] <hcker2000> ill brb
[06:20] <tyrano> do i use alien or rpm to install an rpm ;O
[06:20] <jono> its strange - it doesnt look like the refresh rate is wrong, it just looks like there is a problem rendering the X display
[06:20] <FTTP> jono:  hmmm
[06:20] <jono> any idea?
[06:21] <Gmail> ROOT HAS LANDED!
[06:21] <calc> i've seen xfree do weird things before, but only when i told it to do weird thigns
[06:21] <calc> er things
[06:22] <jono> this is x.org though
[06:22] <calc> haven't used x.org much
[06:22] <jono> how different is xorg.conf to XF86Config-4?
[06:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) xoxoxo: the ubuntu repositories are frozen and built against themselves, not against any of the debian repositories.
[06:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) xoxoxo: think of each ubuntu release as you would a debian release -> woody is not
[06:22] (jdub/#ubuntu) 'compatible' with sarge's repository, etc.
[06:23] <jono> is there anything I can do to take my current xfree86 file and make it compatible with x.org?
[06:23] <pinkee> that is not technically true
[06:23] <jono> its weird though, as it does look like the x display is corrupted
[06:23] <zenwhen> i can attest that installing things from debian repos wont kill your system instantly though
[06:24] <zenwhen> Thought it could
[06:24] <zenwhen> though*
[06:24] <zenwhen> ;)
[06:26] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen
[06:26] <zenwhen> Hey there Tsjoklat.
[06:27] <zenwhen> How are you tonight? I saw that you sided with me on the forums.
[06:27] <zenwhen> :*
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> lol
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> yeah I did zen :P
[06:28] <zenwhen> I figured someone would ask eventually.
[06:28] <zenwhen> So I decided to ask and make it fair and not completely loaded towards KDE.
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> you did good zenwhen
[06:29] <hcker2000> ok im back got a new error in totem this time
[06:29] <zenwhen> The results look good so far.
[06:29] <zenwhen> Pretty much exactly what I wanted, until some KDE board gets a hold of it. :P
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> :P
[06:31] <hcker2000> GammaRay, Failed to play Audio/Video Disc
[06:31] <hcker2000> Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom0
[06:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well that's something...
[06:35] <hcker2000> yea butter than no error
[06:35] <hcker2000> and the eject button is working now
[06:37] <hcker2000> so i guess i should try pmount /dev/cdrom ?
[06:38] <hcker2000> oh look our friendly error is back Failed to play Audio/Video Disc
[06:38] <hcker2000> Unexpected error status 8192 while mounting /media/cdrom0
[06:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you might check what totem is configured to use as a device
[06:38] <hcker2000> doh thats not it one sec
[06:38] <hcker2000> root@mac:/home/hcker2000 # pmount /dev/cdrom
[06:38] <hcker2000> Error: could not create mount point: File exists
[06:38] <hcker2000> thats the pmount error
[06:43] <hcker2000> i just fing fixed it
[06:43] <hcker2000> touch /media/cdrom0
[06:43] <hcker2000> mount /dev/cdrom
[06:43] <hcker2000> boom playing
[06:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm very odd
[06:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) do you mean pmount?
[06:44] <hcker2000> nope i meen mount
[06:47] <natex> anyone get webmin working?
[06:47] <hcker2000> no idea why it works though
[06:47] <Chibi> Argh. I lost the page with the ubuntu palletes. :/
[06:48] <tyrano_> anyone know why ubuntu would have just locked up
[06:48] <tyrano_> could it be because of acpi?
[06:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) possibly, but that's not the cause usually
[06:49] <tyrano_> hmm
[06:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) unless you're using a really early 2.6 kernel
[06:50] <tyrano_> i think im using 2.6.8
[06:50] <hcker2000> it dose weird things with the mouse though when its playing
[06:50] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usually it's poorly-coded drivers or faulty hardware
[06:50] <tyrano_> it just went unresponsive so i had to hard reboot :/
[06:51] <PorscheB1y> lll
[06:51] <LucidVisions> quick question, is the linux kernel written in c?
[06:51] <Agrajag> yes
[06:51] <Agrajag> mostly
[06:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) a few sections in asm
[06:52] <PorscheB1y> anyone is using xchat?
[06:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) but those are small sections
[06:52] <LucidVisions> Agrajag: cool,thanks
[06:52] <farruinn> PorscheB1y, currently
[06:52] <LucidVisions> I wasnt sure
[06:52] <PorscheB1y> farruinn, can i have ur conf file?
[06:53] <farruinn> yours broken or something?
[06:53] <PorscheB1y> farruinn, yah
[06:54] <farruinn> have you tried just deleting .xchat2?
[06:54] <farruinn> or dpkg-reconfigure xchat?
[06:54] <PorscheB1y> it something
[06:54] <hcker2000> so i think as soon as this iso gets done im going to give mandrake 10.1 a shot
[06:54] <PorscheB1y> never thought of that
[06:54] <farruinn> dpkg-reconfigure - valuable command =)
[06:57] <PorscheB1y> thnx, ok i gotta do that now
[06:58] <Chibi> http://studiochibico.com/xfce/ubgirl.png quick little doodle D:
[07:00] <sherpa> i have an nvidia card, and i am using kernel 2.6.9, i got the new nvidia driver that is supposed to support it, but on startup "modprobe nvidia" does not seem to happen and X fails to load, anyone know where to put "modprobe nvidia" so it will load automatically?
[07:01] <fabbione> sherpa: /etc/modules
[07:01] <fabbione> but the new drivers are borked
[07:01] <fabbione> i wouldn't use them
[07:01] <fabbione> that's why we didn't upload them to the archive yet
[07:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) christian posted a patch fixing the memory allocation
[07:01] <fabbione> afaik there are some AGP problems
[07:01] <sherpa> o, really
[07:01] <sherpa> well, then...
[07:02] <fabbione> crimsun: i heard (that means that i can't be sure) that it is only a partial fix and it doesn't really work as expected
[07:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=477802
[07:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) unfortunately :/
[07:02] <Chibi> No comment? :/
[07:03] <sherpa> im using the driver now and it seems to work...
[07:05] <sherpa> thanks fabbione!
[07:07] <s0cks> from the chronographs-and-tickers dept.
[07:07] <s0cks> stevelinton writes "The UK National Physical Laboratory has a new atomic clock potentially 1000 times more accurate than current cesium clocks: to within 1 second in about 30 billion years! This could lead quite soon to a new definition of the second, and in a while to improved resolution in GPS successor systems. More interestingly, there are theories that some of the universe's fundamental dimensionless constants may have changed by a parts in
[07:07] <s0cks>  a million over the last 10 billion years or so. These clocks are so accurate that they should be able to detect these changes over a year or two."
[07:09] <farruinn> hmm, I wonder how their accuracy was measured
[07:12] <mass> nice :D
[07:13] <mass> how do I reconfigure a software raid after drives switch letters?
[07:15] <pepsi_> is there a better pdf viewer?
[07:19] <pepsi_> thats dumb
[07:19] <mass> its an inaccurate one :)
[07:20] <mass> so does anyone know? I can figure out how to assemble and mount my drive manually, but I don't know how to change the status information used at startup time
[07:20] <mass> that appears to be attached to the partitions
[07:20] <pepsi_> i dunno
[07:24] <Austron> hi
[07:24] <Karnaugh> ffs
[07:24] <Karnaugh> the mirror died
[07:33] <LucidVisions> anyhow,back to the show..i went on a tangent i suppose
[07:33] <pepsi_> how can i make java work?
[07:33] <pepsi_> in web pages
[07:33] <mojo>  can someone tell me how to enable the MPEG4 codec of RealPlayer 10 without recompiling?
[07:35] <Austron> is anyone programming C++ in ubuntu?
[07:36] <hbillo> mojo, use synaptic to install the codecs
[07:36] <pepsi_> Austron: why?
[07:36] <hbillo> you to add the "universe" entry to your apt sources
[07:37] <Austron> because i would like to ask what ide he uses and ask for some programming basics like api usage and stuff
[07:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I installed gaim's source via apt-get source gaim. When I run dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot how do I prevent it from being striped?
[07:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stripped
[07:40] <LucidVisions> Austron: I use anjuta for my c ++ programming
[07:40] <LucidVisions> its a good IDE
[07:41] <Austron> ok can you tell me what replaces the windows API in linux? i heard the gdi functions are in the gtk kit, but what about the system apis?
[07:44] <Karnaugh> Austron: well there are different gui api's, WX, tk, gtk gnome and kde have their own etc.
[07:45] <LucidVisions> to my knowlege nothing "replaces" the windows API's.Are you trying to create gui apps...ie...gtk+,WX..etc?
[07:45] <Karnaugh> as far as system api's i dont know what you mean, the programming language its self is generaly the os api :P
[07:45] <Austron> and the system apis? like gettime or getcurdir (currentdir) something like that
[07:45] <LucidVisions> yep,,Karnaugh is correct
[07:46] <Karnaugh> Austron: thats part of the language's standard libraries
[07:46] <Karnaugh> stdio, or os in python
[07:46] <Karnaugh> (stdio was just an example, there are many others in c)
[07:46] <Austron> hmm.. so no system apis
[07:47] <pepsi_> Austron: have you installed manpages-dev?
[07:48] <Austron> im not on linux atm, but i guess not :)
[07:48] <Karnaugh> i see you're talking about C++
[07:48] <Karnaugh> what are you coming from exactly? VC++?
[07:49] <Austron> yes c++ and one nice ide (devcpp vc) was my windows home
[07:49] <Vince-0> Yo Yo
[07:49] <Karnaugh> devcpp? with MinGW?
[07:50] <FTTP> u notice how all the distros with bucks are sponsoring gnome?
[07:50] <Karnaugh> FTTP: i guess they need lots of money to fix their horible gui
[07:51] <FTTP> ubuntu/debian, redhat, sun
[07:51] <Austron> yes
[07:51] <FTTP> and novell
[07:51] <FTTP> karnaugh:  You dont like ubuntus gnome?
[07:51] <FTTP> :(
[07:51] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: don't make me bitch slap you
[07:51] <FTTP> you like KDE?
[07:52] <FTTP> yeah me too
[07:52] <FTTP> gnome rules
[07:52] <FTTP> some distros sponsor both but
[07:52] <FTTP> kde has mostly the little guys
[07:52] <FTTP> linux needs deep pockets
[07:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bah :-P
[07:53] <FTTP> needs full time programmers
[07:53] <farruinn> I think that kde is probably a more welcoming environment for someone coming from windows
[07:53] <FTTP> farruinn:  Its more childish
[07:53] <FTTP> looking
[07:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) farruinn: on surface that is true
[07:53] <FTTP> farruinn:  No.... look at suns gnome
[07:53] <FTTP> suns gnome looks like windows
[07:54] <Austron> the most important thing above all for linux is an excellent documentation and ide for development. because i think thats what scares mayn potential willing programmers
[07:54] <FTTP> auston yeah i guess
[07:54] <farruinn> What do you mean?  vim is the ultimate ide ;-)
[07:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm a potential willing programmers.. and you'll find me on the cmd line thank you very much :-P
[07:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) tisk tisk.. it's all about jed :-P
[07:55] <farruinn> Too many people underestimate the power of cli - the keyboard is a much more efficient input device than the mouse in many respects
[07:55] <Karnaugh> please
[07:55] <Karnaugh> use a real WM, like Fluxbox
[07:56] <Karnaugh> not a windows rip off
[07:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: and you think gnome is a windows rip-off?
[07:56] <FTTP> the truth about linux is that all the highly advanced stuff was developed by corporations like at&t or stuff like berkley
[07:56] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: absolutly
[07:56] <FTTP> linux cant develop anything advanced
[07:56] <farruinn> I don't think gnome attempts to simluate windows at all
[07:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: I think the question remaining is.. have you ever actuyally used gnome?
[07:57] <Karnaugh> GammaRay: yes, I've used almost every WM there is
[07:57] <maskie> FTTP, you right since Linux is only a kernel in any case so it is not suppose to develop :)
[07:57] <genr> karnaugh, stop trolling
[07:57] <farruinn> Technically, isn't metacity the WM?
[07:57] <Karnaugh> fvwm, windowmaker, gnome, kde, xfce, fluxbox.. probably in that order
[07:57] <FTTP> maskie:  No i mean stuff like enterprise class features
[07:58] <FTTP> maskie:  multiple cpu usage, and all the frills
[07:58] <Karnaugh> genr: I'm not trolling, I'm stating my oppinion. KDE and Gnome suck
[07:58] <genr> it's how flame wars start, stop
[07:58] <FTTP> alot of the stuff was given to linux, it wasnt created by the linux developers
[07:58] <Karnaugh> genr: GammaRay's doing the flaming
[07:58] <maskie> FTTP, there is good support for SMP in the kernel .. in 2.6 at least
[07:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: uh huh
[07:59] <FTTP> maskie:  And ibm donated that code :P
[07:59] <FTTP> maskie:  i think.... not sure
[07:59] <FTTP> they donated a ton of enterprise class feature stuff tho
[07:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: all the code in linux was donated
[08:00] <maskie> FTTP, yes and is'nt that the way open source and commuinity work is suppose to work ... those that have the skill contribute
[08:00] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) Karnaugh: well I happen to think fluxbox sucks.. icewm is much better (and faster)
[08:00] <Karnaugh> maskie: and who pays them for all the testing equipment required to develop something like high end RAID drivers etc
[08:00] <FTTP> gammaray:  no i mean by people who had stuff that wasnt licensed under gpl initially
[08:01] <FTTP> sure linus did alot of work and stuff , but alot of it was just hobbyist grade stuff
[08:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: before 2.6 they has perfectly fine if flawed SMP support
[08:01] <maskie> Karnaugh, that is why we also need big guys with deep pockets to contribute ...
[08:02] <FTTP> gammaray:  without commercial companies donating, linux would be nothing
[08:02] <FTTP> i mean linux would just be a hobbyist os
[08:02] <FTTP> very small in nature
[08:03] <Karnaugh> maskie: exactly, or guys that work for IBM etc and have some free time to donate code that they were able to develop with their big pockets
[08:03] <farruinn> FTTP, I don't think I really get your point.  Is there something wrong with that?
[08:03] <Karnaugh> brb, stupid apache has hung again
[08:03] <FTTP> farruinn what im saying is i wish we had more commercial os competition
[08:03] <FTTP> it would spur faster development
[08:04] <FTTP> linux will coexist
[08:04] <FTTP> linux aint going anywhere
[08:04] <pepsi_> BeOS was fun :D
[08:04] <FTTP> kde and gnome and all will be around and still donated :)
[08:04] <maskie> Karnaugh, u from SA?  ... seem to remember your name from myadsl
[08:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) linux seems to be the only OS around that can stand up to MS
[08:05] <FTTP> just wish there was more of a commercial model for competition
[08:05] <FTTP> gammaray:  No competitor can get marketshare, its locked out
[08:05] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) huh?
[08:05] <FTTP> gammaray for desktop os i mean
[08:05] <farruinn> I don't think that competing with M$ is really the point of linux anyway...
[08:05] <FTTP> the percentage of users of linux in the usa is very very small
[08:05] <FTTP> server its on the rise
[08:05] <genr> im from sa maskie
[08:05] <Karnaugh> maskie: yes
[08:05] <FTTP> but not desktop
[08:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: hobbyist grade? I refute that.
[08:06] <FTTP> crimsum:  No im saying without commercial support
[08:06] <FTTP> crimsum:  IT would have BEEN hobbyist grade
[08:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 2.4 had excellent SMP compared even without commercial backing
[08:06] <Austron> the standardization of linux must continue and must be improved vastly
[08:06] <FTTP> crimsum:  IBM donatedh hyperthreading for example
[08:06] <FTTP> Hyper-Threading speeds Linux
[08:06] <FTTP> donated by ibm
[08:06] <maskie> genr, Karnaugh, did any of you watch the new TV program on open source that started yesterday ...
[08:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hyperthreading is stupid btw
[08:07] <genr> maskie, nope
[08:07] <genr> what's the name?
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: where did you read they donated it?
[08:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hyperthreading is just to make up for Intels bad chip design
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and reading, HT is negligible.
[08:07] <FTTP> crimsum:  The current Linux symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) kernel at both the 2.4 and 2.5 versions was made aware of Hyper-Threading, and performance speed-up had been observed in multithreaded benchmarks (see Resources later in this article for articles with more details).
[08:07] <maskie> genr, go-open and it is sponsored in part by Canonical .. was on SABC 2 around 5:30
[08:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ie amd does not need hyperthreading
[08:08] <genr> sounds interesting
[08:08] <FTTP> Duc Vianney works in operating system performance evaluation and measurement in computer architectures and Java. He is with the Linux Kernel Performance Group at the IBM Linux Technology Center. Duc has written several articles on Java performance for IBM developerWorks and PartnerWorld.
[08:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: the speedup is nowhere as crucial as the actual tearing down of internal big locks
[08:08] <genr> stop copy pasting fttp, shit.
[08:09] <FTTP> beos was nice
[08:09] <FTTP> but it was not multiuser
[08:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it did not need to be multiuser
[08:10] <FTTP> hopefully when the litigation is finished, new OS'es will emerge
[08:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) windows was not either until NT.. and not until XP on the desktop side
[08:10] <Karnaugh> XP essentialy is NT
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I know
[08:11] <FTTP> its ironic, ibm has no linux distro right?
[08:11] <FTTP> ibm contributed to linux, but maintained no distro
[08:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) externally? no. Internally they maintain certain things.
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) FTTP: why are plenty happy playing one distro against an other
[08:12] <Karnaugh> FTTP: they have their own UNIX stuff as far as i know
[08:12] <FTTP> aix is dead
[08:12] <Karnaugh> FTTP: why do they need to maintain their own distro?
[08:12] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: AIX is far from dead :)
[08:12] (crimsun/#ubuntu) but really, this is way off-topic
[08:12] <FTTP> crimsun:   aix isnt supported
[08:12] <FTTP> linux is their transition
[08:13] <FTTP> well aix is end of life
[08:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: I can refute that.
[08:13] <Karnaugh> ...
[08:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) please, this is really off-topic
[08:13] <alkirk> what is the topic
[08:13] <alkirk> ?
[08:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ubuntu-related discussion
[08:14] <Agrajag> UBUNTU AND ONLY UBUNTU HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF ANYTHING ELSE EVEN WHEN NOBODY ELSE IS SPEAKING
[08:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) whether IBM's UNIX is dying or not really has no bearing
[08:14] (jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: that's unnecessary
[08:14] <alkirk> It's tied up in the SCO mess
[08:14] <Agrajag> not really.
[08:15] <farruinn> How much does Ubuntu and Debian share code?  As in, if a bug is fixed in Ubuntu, will it be integrated into Debian and the other way around?
[08:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) farruinn: very closely
[08:15] <Agrajag> telling peopel to shut up in the middle of a discussion that's not affecting anyone's ability to get help is quite unnecessary.
[08:15] <alkirk> X question
[08:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Agrajag: I was hardly telling anyone to shush; it was a reminder that there are still people requesting ubuntu help.
[08:16] (jdub/#ubuntu) Agrajag: the off-topic discussion is distracting and unnecessary, and it makes the channel more intimidating for people trying to get help. there are plenty of other places this discussion could go on, so don't portray it as unfair rules, etc.
[08:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) farruinn: most ubuntu maintainers/developers are also debian maintainers/developers; so bug squashing and patching is very close-knit
[08:16] <farruinn> ah, spiffy!
[08:17] <Gorth> is bugzilla.ubuntu.com down?
[08:17] <alkirk> I have a problem with X
[08:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: please elaborate
[08:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Gorth: it's up for me.
[08:18] <alkirk> I had problem getting X to operate on my computer when I installed
[08:18] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I installed gaim's source via apt-get source gaim. When I run dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -rfakeroot how do I prevent it from being stripped?
[08:18] <alkirk> I finally got it working with the framebuffer driver
[08:18] <Gorth> crimsun, hmmm, weird. I haven't been able to reach for quite some time..
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: comment out dh_strip
[08:19] <Gorth> i have no trouble with www.ubuntu.com
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Gorth: I just loaded the bugzilla pages
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: (in debian/rules)
[08:19] <farruinn> Gorth, they're different servers
[08:19] <Gorth> farruinn, aahh ok, i see..
[08:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: which graphics chipset do you use?
[08:20] <alkirk> Now here is my current problem: I installed the nvidia driver and it works with GDM when I log into GNOME it reverts to the framebuffer
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: the gaim rules file is very short and includes two files from /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: do I have to find that in of of those?
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s/of/one/
[08:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) autotools.mk and debhelper.mk
[08:22] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: warty or hoary?
[08:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) also /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[08:22] <alkirk> Crimsun, nvidia
[08:22] <alkirk> warty
[08:22] <Gorth> are there currently any problems with gdesklets?
[08:23] <alkirk> hoary use X org?
[08:23] <hbillo> alkirk, I think so
[08:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: make sure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 uses the nvidia driver
[08:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and yes, Hoary uses X.Org
[08:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: see /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/debhelper.mk
[08:25] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: you'll notice there is a 'is_debug_package' variable
[08:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: I was wondering about that
[08:25] <alkirk> one moment while I check it out
[08:25] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: but I'm only familar w/ basic make
[08:25] <__daniel> hello
[08:25] <FTTP> hi
[08:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: so set that to.. 0 in the rules file?
[08:26] <osiris_22> how do i mount my ntfs partition?
[08:26] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: more than likely you need to export that variable after setting it to a non-zero value
[08:27] <__daniel> mount /dev/hd?? -t ntfs -o ro /mnt
[08:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: ok.. thanks.. I'll see how this goes
[08:28] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: you may find this helpful: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[08:28] <osiris_22> it says contents cant be displayed
[08:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: thanks again
[08:31] <osiris_22> how do you update ubuntu? do you do it threw synaptic?
[08:31] <farruinn> sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:31] <Austron> im using synaptic
[08:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) osiris_22: are you running warty? if so, only security fixes and non-invasive (and major) bugfixes will be merged
[08:33] <hbillo> hellow all
[08:33] <hbillo> is there a patch for the kernel
[08:33] <hbillo> in order to get my realtek ac'97 soundcard work
[08:33] <hbillo> ??
[08:33] <farruinn> huh, my synaptic is screwed up - doesn't display any packages
[08:33] <FTTP> wow veritas is now contributing
[08:34] <yohannes> is there any way i can backup my linux to a blank media?
[08:34] <FTTP> man, im looking at all the kernel contributors
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: "now?"
[08:34] <yohannes> i mean the os' image
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) FTTP: try many years.
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) many, many years.
[08:34] <FTTP> crimsun:  veritas is huge now tho
[08:34] <farruinn> hm, so is dselect - only the packages I have installed or have removed are listed
[08:34] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: what model?
[08:34] <FTTP> crimsun:  tons of huge names in there
[08:36] <hbillo> crimsun, heu .. a realtek ac'97 the module is atiixp
[08:36] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: use the snd-atiixp module
[08:37] <hbillo> even with modprobe atiixp, modprobe snd-atiixp
[08:37] <hbillo> it doesn't work :(
[08:37] (crimsun/#ubuntu) you need a very recent version of alsa
[08:37] (crimsun/#ubuntu) at least 1.0.6a, preferrably 1.0.7, which was just released
[08:38] <FTTP> crimsun:  Oh wait veritas had a linux strategy back in 2000
[08:38] <hbillo> hmm .. I have the 1.0.5
[08:39] <hbillo> but apt-get install alsa doesn't propose me to install a newer version :(
[08:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I would suggest you grab alsa-source from sid
[08:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) then you can build 1.0.6a using the instructions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz
[08:40] <hbillo> okey thank you I will try to do this now
[08:41] <alkirk> My XF86Config file seems to have "nvidia" listed as a driver
[08:42] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: could you upload /var/log/XFree86.0.log from a successfully-logged in session to pastebin.com?
[08:42] <hbillo> crimsun, where can i get the alsa source for sid ?
[08:43] <alkirk> upload how?
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: click the [All]  button on this page: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/alsa-source
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: paste it onto pastebin.com
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) alkirk: or make the file available on a web site
[08:44] <alkirk> ok
[08:50] <hbillo> crimsun, where doest he uncompress it ? i don't find them ?
[08:50] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: it's placed in /usr/src/
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hbillo: read the directions in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source/README.Debian.gz
[08:51] <jobezone> hello, has anyone tried using the livecd in some way to be able to resize/create partitions?
[08:51] <hbillo> thank you, you're really nice :)
[08:54] <hbillo> crimsun, sorry but i can't read the .gz :( the cat doesn't work with, even text editors
[08:54] <farruinn> zmore
[08:54] <hbillo> (I'm really a beginner :\ )
[08:54] <farruinn> or zless
[08:54] <hbillo> thanxxxx
[08:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) back in a bit.
[08:56] <BeanDip> hbillo, vim
[08:56] <BeanDip> or vi
[09:08] <osiris_22> lmao my friend is trying to install the linux version of winamp...
[09:08] <osiris_22> im laughen
[09:08] <b_e_n_z> osiris_22: what's so funny
[09:08] <osiris_22> cause he has no idea how to install files
[09:08] <osiris_22> and i wont help him
[09:08] <osiris_22> cause hes gacked
[09:12] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) hmm.
[09:12] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) osiris_22: Do you know what "Ubuntu" means?
[09:12] <hbillo> I have nothing in the /usr/src!! is that normal ???
[09:12] <osiris_22> no i dont.
[09:12] <osiris_22> why
[09:13] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) osiris_22: It means good will towards others, which you aren't exhibiting towards your friend ;-)
[09:13] <osiris_22> hes gacked
[09:13] <osiris_22> hes trashed man
[09:13] (kremlyn/#ubuntu) If you want to behave like that, go join #gentoo :-)
[09:13] <melanie> who tried apache with mono?
[09:13] <alkirk> do you mean less than sober?
[09:14] <b_e_n_z> melanie: you mean using apache/mono to serve ASP.NET pages?
[09:15] <melanie> b_e_n_z: yes, exactly.
[09:15] <osiris_22> dude. i tried to help him last night.. when he was trashed it was a chore
[09:15] <osiris_22> even on the phone
[09:15] <osiris_22> he needs to be sober
[09:15] <osiris_22> honestly
[09:15] <osiris_22> hes drinking coughsyrup
[09:15] <osiris_22> the drug in coughsyrup is a opiate analog.
[09:15] <b_e_n_z> melanie: i read that it works, but since i don't know ASP.NET and anything related to M$, i have no real experience with it
[09:16] <osiris_22> i hate it when he does that stuff man.. hes my hetero life mate i worry about him
[09:17] <melanie> b_e_n_z: but can you tell me how to install the apache addon?
[09:17] <Karnaugh> what_is_with_all_the_\_'s
[09:18] <Karnaugh> is_it_cool_?
[09:18] <b_e_n_z> melanie: i think the instructions are on the mono page... http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html
[09:19] <melanie> b_e_n_z: ok, i'll try. can you tell if there is a gui out there for configuring apache?
[09:21] <b_e_n_z> melanie: some people use webmin i believe... i don't... i use vi
[09:21] <__daniel> melanie: not really, but the installaion process should take care of most things
[09:23] <alkirk> crimsun, posted on pastebin
[09:24] <Karnaugh> melanie: you dont want to configure apache with a gui really
[09:24] <Karnaugh> melanie: it has many many options etc that a GUI wouldnt give justice too
[09:24] <Karnaugh> webmin is a hazard dont go that route
[09:25] <__daniel> alkirk: whats wrong?
[09:26] <alkirk> x / driver problems
[09:26] <__daniel> he doesnt find glcore
[09:26] <__daniel> so maybe you comment it out
[09:26] <Aikes> hi, i am having some problem with grub, was wondering if anyone could help me out? =)
[09:27] <alkirk> but why does it shove me into framebuffer after I login
[09:28] <Timaaah> morning
[09:28] <__daniel> morning Timaaah
[09:29] <|FalleN-AngeL|> hey, anyone here know how to get pppoe going in ubuntu?
[09:29] <__daniel> alkirk: if you want to change it: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver.xorg (you were using xorg, right?
[09:29] <alkirk> XFree86
[09:29] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: it works perfectly on my debian router... what's the problem?
[09:30] <__daniel> alkirk: then: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[09:30] <|FalleN-AngeL|> __daniel, is that with authentication from the machine itself, or from the router?
[09:30] <Aikes> does anyone know how to reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n grub not there no more
[09:31] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: i dont really understand your question
[09:31] <alkirk> what does the -plow switch do
[09:31] <__daniel> alkirk: tell you ALL the questions
[09:31] <Timaaah> __daniel :)
[09:31] <|FalleN-AngeL|> i have a billion 5100 modem running in bridged mode, i need ubuntu to handle the login information itself
[09:32] <Anima> does anyone know how to reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n grub not there no more
[09:32] <|FalleN-AngeL|> i have pon getting an ip, but the machine itself isn't getting any data
[09:32] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: does /var/log/syslog say something?
[09:33] <alkirk> was working with crimsun, who has appeared to have stepped away
[09:33] <labanux> hello everybody...
[09:33] <__daniel> hai labanux
[09:33] <labanux> __daniel: did you know about doom game on ubuntu?
[09:34] <alkirk> will give it another shot
[09:34] <labanux> __daniel: can't it played in Ubuntu?
[09:34] <__daniel> labanux: a recent doom or the "old" one?
[09:34] <farruinn> anybody know of something that will allow Sound Juicer to import mp3's from cd's?
[09:35] <labanux> __daniel: how about the recent one?
[09:35] <__daniel> labanux: i don't play those kind of games... but i guess it's possible *somehow*
[09:36] <|FalleN-AngeL|> __daniel, nothing out of the ordinary
[09:36] <Anima> could some1 help me ?
[09:36] <__daniel> farruinn: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:36] <__daniel> Anima: whats the problem?
[09:36] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: the device is set up?
[09:37] <|FalleN-AngeL|> yeah
[09:37] <|FalleN-AngeL|> i'm getting an ip
[09:37] <|FalleN-AngeL|> the machine just can't ping out or anything
[09:37] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: what does ping 141.1.1.1 say?
[09:37] <__daniel> hmmmmm... strange
[09:37] <__daniel> let me think
[09:37] <Anima> (__daniel): how do u reinstall grub? coz i reinstall windowxp n the grub menu gone
[09:37] <stuNNed> Anima, grub-install /dev/hda ?
[09:38] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: what does   route   say?
[09:38] <|FalleN-AngeL|> __daniel, just times out
[09:38] <Chibi> Once more before I go to bed, http://studiochibico.com/xfce/ubgirl.png , any comments?
[09:38] <|FalleN-AngeL|> absolutely nothing
[09:38] <Anima> stuNNed: how do i do that when i cant get into ubuntu?
[09:39] <stuNNed> Anima, don't know if ubuntu install disk has rescue mode or not
[09:39] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: does  plog   say something?
[09:39] <farruinn> Chibi, nice
[09:39] <farruinn> what's it for?
[09:39] <|FalleN-AngeL|> route says nothing at all
[09:39] <Chibi> It's just a rough sketch. I want to get a character together for ubuntu/anime fans. :P
[09:40] <|FalleN-AngeL|> plog says "not replacing default route to eth0"
[09:40] <__daniel> Chibi: make her look a bit more happy :_)
[09:40] <Chibi> Possibly for some wallpapers or something once the character is done
[09:40] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: it has 2 network cards?
[09:40] <Timaaah> argggh
[09:40] <Anima> (stuNNed): so do u know how i could reinstall grub if i cant boot into ubuntu?
[09:40] <Chibi> xfmedia. D: !
[09:41] <__daniel> Timaaah: beep-media-player, totem, rhythmbox, muine, xmms, ... :-)
[09:41] <Timaaah> Chibi, will give it a shot
[09:41] <|FalleN-AngeL|> no, i have eth0 and from there i've been running pppoe to get ppp0
[09:41] <|FalleN-AngeL|> only 1 nic
[09:41] <Timaaah> daniel, ta
[09:41] <stuNNed> Anima, is there a way to boot from livecd and chroot into your ubuntu install or do the same with ubuntu install cd?
[09:41] <Chibi> xfmedia is rather new. Beep would probably be better if you're just after audipo
[09:41] <Chibi> xfmedia is for people that hate everything else out there. :P
[09:42] <__daniel> |FalleN-AngeL|: i'm rather clueless :-(
[09:42] <Timaaah> heh
[09:42] <Anima> stuNNed: i can boot into ubuntu livecd after that wat do i do?
[09:42] <Anima> stuNNed: i am a noob to linux =)
[09:45] <stuNNed> Anima, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto and http://www.sysresccd.org/index.en.php come to mind.
[09:46] <Anima> thanks stuNNed i will go read it
[09:47] <stuNNed> Anima, np, the key is set up your chroot environment, then once done, chroot into it and run something like 'grub-install /dev/hda' or wherever your grub is installed.
[09:47] <alkirk> tried it and rebooted, no change
[09:48] <auk> anyone know how to set up 3ddesktop?
[09:48] <Anima> ok but what is chroot?
[09:48] <stuNNed> Anima, (ch)ange (root) as in change your root dir to whatever you want :)
[09:48] <stuNNed> Anima, root dir being /
[09:49] <Anima> oh ok, so its like instead of using the root from the livecd we set it to the one on the hard disk?
[09:49] <stuNNed> yes
[09:49] <stuNNed> exactly :)
[09:49] <Anima> oh ok
[09:50] <stuNNed> Anima, it's also good for security purposes, limiting a daemon or something other to a restricted dir with given needed files
[09:51] <Anima> er ok
[09:52] <mass> hmm, is it just me, or does the network configuration syspref under gnome require a root password and not a sudo password in order to work its magic?
[09:52] <Anima> stuNNed, how do i chroot when i am in livecd?
[09:52] <cenerentola> does someone know when mako will be avaible?
[09:52] <farruinn> mass, I'm able to use it w/o having enabled root
[09:53] <stuNNed> Anima, read that install from knoppix on the wiki, see if you can apply it to your ubuntu livecd, basically you mount things, set up proc, etc, then chroot in
[09:53] <Anima> hmmm ok
[09:55] <_kris_> anybody using a IBM laptop T42?
[09:55] <_kris_> (at has made PM work)
[09:58] <alkirk> __damiel, tried it and rebooted, no change
[09:58] <alkirk> __daniel, tried it and rebooted, no change
[09:59] <__daniel> alkirk: you changed the fb device question?
[10:00] <alkirk> what do you mean
[10:00] <alkirk> ?
[10:01] <__daniel> alkirk: didnt it ask for the use of a framebuffer device?
[10:01] <alkirk> what should I put?
[10:01] <__daniel> change it from yes to no or vice versa
[10:01] <alkirk> I think I tried no this time
[10:02] <__daniel> alkirk: do you get any error message?
[10:03] <alkirk> when I run the program? I don't thinkso
[10:03] <__daniel> alkirk: when you run the xserver
[10:04] <alkirk> I run it from within GDM
[10:05] <__daniel> alkirk: what does grep -E "\(EE|WW\)" /var/log/XFree86.0.log give you?
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:         (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) `fonts.dir' not found (or not valid) in "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID".
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) Warning, couldn't open module GLcore
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0): Failure reading EDID parameters for display device CRT-0
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "576x384":
[10:07] <alkirk> /var/log/XFree86.0.log:(WW) NVIDIA(0):   horizontal sync start (589) not a multiple of 8
[10:07] <alkirk> grep: give: No such file or directory
[10:07] <alkirk> grep: you?: No such file or directory
[10:07] <Karnaugh> hello?
[10:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) alkirk: PLEASE use www.pastebin.com
[10:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) alkirk: don't past huge amounts of stuff on the channel
[10:07] <__daniel> alkirk: try to comment out glcore
[10:07] <Karnaugh> looks like your X11 instalation is seriously borked
[10:07] <__daniel> or use dpkg-reconfigure again
[10:08] <__daniel> Karnaugh: it isnt
[10:08] <Karnaugh> The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. ??
[10:08] <__daniel> Karnaugh: it's just a warning...
[10:08] <__daniel> the only problem is: "Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0)"
[10:09] <__daniel> so comment it out or uncheck the checkbox in dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[10:09] <alkirk> why doesn't "GLcore" exist?
[10:11] <__daniel> *shrug*
[10:12] <__daniel> comment it out
[10:12] <Karnaugh> thats totaly the solution
[10:12] <karakth> Why is sun's java 2 sdk so huge and Blackdown's not? Is sun better for java than Blackdown?
[10:13] <b_e_n_z> sun jdk is slower than blackdown jdk in my experience
[10:13] <b_e_n_z> at least for 1.4.x
[10:13] <alkirk> one more time
[10:13] <Karnaugh> karakth: because the Blackdown does not have a complete implementation
[10:13] <b_e_n_z> not sure about 1.5
[10:14] <b_e_n_z> Karnaugh: no, i think the sun jdk comes with a bunch of demo's whereas the blackdown jdk doesn't
[10:15] <b_e_n_z> karakth: depending on what you want to do with java but BEA jrockit is the fastest jvm on this planet if you have >= 1Gb memory
[10:15] <karakth> I also couldn't install javaws with Blackdown.
[10:16] <karakth> java web start doesn't recognize a Blackdown installation, I think.
[10:18] <Ruffian|JANE|> http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=hellocurtis.jpg
[10:18] <Karnaugh> b_e_n_z: the jdk yes
[10:19] <Karnaugh> the actual implementation has less features than the sun VM afaik
[10:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) how can I detect if a binary was stripped?
[10:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) use 'file' on it
[10:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it'll tell you 'stripped' if it's stripped
[10:20] <b_e_n_z> GammaRay: file <file>?
[10:20] <Ruffian|JANE|> hp?loc=img25&image=hellocurtis.jpg
[10:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) thanks
[10:23] <Ruffian|JANE|> http://img25.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img25&image=hellocurtis.jpg
[10:28] <rexiboy> hey guys
[10:28] <__daniel> hai rexiboy
[10:29] <rexiboy> what is the differace between ubuntu kernel and ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3 amd64-generic?
[10:29] <rexiboy> why is the ubuntu on e the default boot?
[10:29] <alkirk> no longer get the "GLcore" error
[10:30] <__daniel> alkirk: does it work?
[10:30] <alkirk> same result
[10:30] <__daniel> alkirk: so it doesnt start up?
[10:31] <__daniel> alkirk: past    grep -E "\(EE|WW\)" /var/log/XFree86.?.log     in #flood
[10:32] <alkirk> It starts up with the GDM login screen using the nvidia driver but switches to the "fb" driver once I'm logged in
[10:33] <__daniel> alkirk: how can you tell?
[10:33] <__daniel> alkirk: and whats wrong with that?
[10:34] <rexiboy> any 1?
[10:34] <alkirk> I get the nvidia spash screen wit GDM and I get a 48.3kHz 60 screen when logged in
[10:35] <alkirk> 60Hz
[10:35] <alkirk> My settings request a 75 Hz vert
[10:36] <__daniel> alkirk: hmmmm, sorry... can't help you with that
[10:36] <__daniel> alkirk: don't know how to change those values
[10:37] <alkirk> Why would the driver change at all on login?
[10:37] <alkirk> Why should the driver change at all on login?
[10:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) the driver doesn't change
[10:39] <alkirk> http://pastebin.com/121912
[10:40] <b_e_n_z> alkirk: disable EDID
[10:40] <alkirk> What's EDID?
[10:40] <b_e_n_z> alkirk: read the docs that come with the nvidia driver
[10:41] <b_e_n_z> alkirk: it tells you how to enable/disable it
[10:42] <rexiboy> what is the differance between ubuntu kernel and ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3 amd64-generic?
[10:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I'm trying to recompile gaim w/ debugging, no optimization and so it's not stripped. I know it's rules file uses CDBS but I don't know how to set any of these things. Any help?
[10:46] <__daniel> GammaRay: can't you supply it with a "strip" command anywhere?
[10:48] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: I'm trying to make sure it's *not* stripped.
[10:49] <__daniel> ah... well there was something in the wikipage someone suggested
[10:49] <__daniel> but it was about .py files not being stripped
[10:50] <__daniel> GammaRay: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[10:50] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I've seen that...
[10:51] <__daniel> GammaRay: you also saw that   .py  remark?
[10:51] <nab_> hello
[10:52] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: ofcourse.. what's your point?
[10:52] <nab_> Is anyone using Kylix with ubuntu?
[10:52] <__daniel> GammaRay: or just   apt-get source <bla-dbg> and look it up in their /debian/ directory
[10:52] <__daniel> GammaRay: i just thought, if they preserve .py-files from being stripped, you could do it with your binary
[10:53] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) __daniel: I would hope so.. I've been trying for a while. setting all sorts of env variables
[10:54] <alakdan> hello, just wondering if its possible to automatically start gaim whenever I log in using gnome?
[10:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm well it seems I was able to do it
[10:54] <__daniel> *CONGRATULATE*
[10:54] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) no wonder dpkg -i took so long
[10:55] <__daniel> alakdan: keep it open and save your session on logout
[10:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) w00t.. now gdb works
[10:55] <alakdan> __daniel: any other way aside from saving sessions?
[10:55] <__daniel> alakdan: it just works at my place
[10:55] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) of line 560 of gaims source:
[10:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) 592     /* FUCKING GET ME A TOWEL! */
[10:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) err 592 rather (-;
[10:56] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) first thing I saw...
[10:56] <__daniel> ;-)
[11:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) alakdan: in the session properties you can add commands
[11:01] <alakdan> GammaRay: got it, thanks :)
[11:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) brushing w/ baking soda is a bitch
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) in addition to tasking the asidic basking soda
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) in addition to tasking the acidic baking soda...
[11:07] (alexissoft/#ubuntu) hi
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) you taste the stuff coming off your teeth
[11:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) s/tasking/tasting
[11:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) damn...  I need a smaller enter key.. it makes me do things
[11:08] <paspourtoi> heh - baking soda is alkaline actually ;)
[11:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) paspourtoi: so how would you describe the taste :-P
[11:12] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) other than.. salty
[11:13] <paspourtoi> GammaRay: indescribably awful?  (Scientific term )  ;-)
[11:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) works for me.. but I'm out of tooth paste
[11:16] <paspourtoi> GammaRay: ah well - the dentists tell me it's the brushing that matters anyway
[11:18] <nab_> can i just download that Kylix and install it?
[11:18] <nab_> any experience with that?
[11:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) http://www.fluoridealert.org/
[11:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) lol
[11:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) and to think I was just looking up the proper spelling
[11:32] <werewolf> Hi all, how to install swat on ubuntu 4.10? there is dependecies problem :(
[11:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) what's swat?
[11:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) werewolf: how did you try to install it?
[11:33] <paspourtoi> Samba Web Administration Tool
[11:33] <_kris_> samba web administration tool
[11:34] <paspourtoi> it should be in the repositories (Debian has it anyway)
[11:34] <_kris_> :)
[11:34] <paspourtoi> heheh
[11:34] <paspourtoi> @_@
[11:34] <_kris_> it comes with samba
[11:35] <freakabcd> hi all
[11:35] <freakabcd> CDs shipping now, i guess..
[11:35] <freakabcd> i'm eagerly waiting for mine to arrive :)
[11:36] <freakabcd> anybody in Australia received them yet?
[11:36] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 265 is a goodly #
[11:36] <freakabcd> heh
[11:37] <werewolf> last samba package is 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2, but swat depends on samba=3.0.7-1ubuntu6 :(
[11:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hmm
[11:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) I'd file a bug for that
[11:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it should depend on a less specific version] 
[11:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) 6.2 is the security-updated version..
[11:38] <paspourtoi> werewolf: you realise swat wipes allthr useful comments from you conf file?
[11:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) paspourtoi: you could copy it somewhere safe before installing swat
[11:39] <paspourtoi> werewolf: maybe use webmin instead as a work around
[11:39] <paspourtoi> Treenaks: true :)
[11:39] <werewolf> paspourtoi: yes, but it's so easy, and is a good start point
[11:40] <werewolf> paspourtoi: mmm, I dislike install to many service (speaking about webmin)
[11:59] <dabbish1> Anyone know if there are any issues with nvidia and ubuntu
[12:01] <paspourtoi> dabbish1: look for the binary drivers howto on the ubuntu site
[12:02] <humbo> ubuntuforums.org stopped working for anyone else?
[12:02] <pl0vs> dabbish1, i stopped using them, they made my computer unstable
[12:03] <pl0vs> dabbish1, the nv driver works ok for me
[12:04] <humbo> I'm using nv too, the official nvidia driver seemed to have problems.
[12:05] <humbo> ubuntuforums.org isn't even responding to ping
[12:05] <re_ubu> hello everyone, I have a strange bug here. It's a toshiba m30 with warty
[12:06] <re_ubu> I have keyboard repetitions.
[12:06] <re_ubu> weird, and keyb delay is well set
[12:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) humbo: give it a few hours.
[12:08] <humbo> has it done this before, crimsun?
[12:08] <re_ubu> I've found
[12:08] <re_ubu> it's a toshiba issue.
[12:08] <re_ubu> tanks
[12:08] <tkooda> hello all,  can someone give me their opinion on why someone might want to run ubuntu instead of debian?
[12:09] <humbo> I've never run debian, so I'm not much help in that respect.
[12:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: Because ubuntu provides a much nicer and integreated desktop right out of the box, also includes a 6 monthly release, commercial support and more up to date software than debian.
[12:09] <dabbish1> out of the box I just get garbled output
[12:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) humbo: ocassional downtime, unforeseen circumstances, so forth
[12:09] <pl0vs> tkooda, ubuntu is easier to install, has a nicer integrated gnome-desktop by default
[12:09] <tkooda> Lathiat, more up to date than, say sarge?
[12:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the development branch is definitely more current than sarge
[12:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) stable branch of course is frozen completely
[12:10] <will> definatly!
[12:10] <tkooda> Lathiat/pl0vs, what do you mean a "more intergrated gnome-desktop"?  (how is it more "ingergrated" than, say, a sarge gnome install?)
[12:10] <humbo> dabbish1: when does this appear? Do you see the text bootup first, or is there no display at all?
[12:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) tkooda: the gnome desktop is much more streamlined in ubuntu
[12:11] <will> tkooda: were not forcing you....just check it out yourself any you will see :)
[12:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) tkooda: the menus are cleaned up and are much less confusing
[12:11] <tkooda> will, I didn't suggest someone was forcing me.  I came to ask what you knew about it.
[12:11] <humbo> ubuntu appears to be built around gnome, it specialises in it.
[12:11] <tkooda> humbo, what do you mean specialises?
[12:12] <tkooda> so it's got newer packages in the stable release, and has a better default gnome config?
[12:12] <will> tkooda:yes but no one here will force you i meant, cos were all lovely ubuntu'ers
[12:13] <tkooda> does ubuntu use any (unmodified) debian packages?
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: yes, the universe and multiverse archives are direct from debian
[12:14] <daniels> tkooda: yes
[12:14] <daniels> tkooda: whatever we didn't change
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) tkooda: because a) i have gnome working out of the box, b) i have hal, gnome-volume-manager etc
[12:14] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) and an incredibly cool team of people working on it :)
[12:14] <tkooda> can someone please explain how the part about allowing any developer to modify any package works?  -wouldn't that lead to developer infighting?
[12:15] <will> too much choice for software, i feel debian-based dpkg is very powerful
[12:15] <tkooda> ..or perhaps lead to stability problems if not all developers are equally skilled?
[12:17] <daniels> tkooda: uh, no
[12:17] <daniels> tkooda: i know all the development team and we get along quite well
[12:17] <daniels> obviously we disagree on technical matters at some points, but we're all old enough to get over it
[12:18] <fabbione> s/old/good
[12:18] <fabbione> daniels: you are still our little "kid"
[12:18] <daniels> fabbione: ber
[12:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha
[12:18] <daniels> tkooda: see?  if I wasn't old enough to wear that, I would've hit fabbione by now ;)
[12:19] <daniels> fabbione: you're just jealous of my years of experience with Debian
[12:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) or maybe your just too small to get up and hit him :)
[12:19] <fabbione> daniels: no.. i am just jalous for not being 18
[12:19] <GuyverXT9> I are looking for GammaRay, also answers to "dom poes","robert mugabe" or "mark shuttleworth"
[12:19] <tkooda> daniels, so how are package disputes solved?  (i.e. when devlopers disagree about a change/fix)
[12:20] <fabbione> tkooda: who hits faster and harder win :-)))
[12:20] <fabbione> tkooda: justs kidding ;)
[12:20] <tkooda> I'm not convinced a distro can work on just the premesis that "all developers love eachother".  :P
[12:20] <daniels> fabbione: so I hit faster and harder on X? :)
[12:20] <daniels> tkooda: well, if someone can't cope with the idea of solving disputes through communication, then that's a pretty big red flag for them to join, obviously
[12:20] <daniels> tkooda: we just talk it out rationally
[12:20] <daniels> then there's a round of jelly wrestling
[12:21] <tkooda> heh
[12:21] <__daniel> and if people still dont like daniels' ideas he tortures them with "hassel the hoff"
[12:22] <tkooda> daniels, I see.  but even rational people will disagree from time to time.  are there procedures in place to solve conflicts that can't be resolved via handolding and singing songs?  ;P
[12:22] <daniels> tkooda: of course we disagree from time to time
[12:22] <Gmail> if i where to to install java where should i install it
[12:22] <daniels> tkooda: there is a decision-making chain also -- mdz is distro leader (although Kamion is our cheap imitation mdz while Matt's on holiday)
[12:22] <sivang> hi fabbione,daniels :)
[12:23] <fabbione> hey sivang
[12:23] <daniels> sivang: yo dude
[12:23] <tkooda> oooh, you didn't mention mdz before, heh.  I'm sold.  :)
[12:23] <sivang> daniels : You better Kamion didn't hear you hehe :)
[12:23] <tkooda> was ubuntu mdz's brainchild?
[12:23] <daniels> tkooda: nope
[12:24] <Gmail> daniels: is the type of guy that know the answer to my question (which doesn't have a question mark)
[12:24] <daniels> Gmail: i don't even know the answer to that question, if it actually was one
[12:24] <daniels> maybe if I understood it, I'd have a better chance at answering
[12:24] <Gmail> should i put it in /usr/local/java
[12:25] <Gmail> i am installing java (from the sun tarball) where should i install it
[12:25] <Gmail> ?
[12:25] <bam> Hi
[12:26] <bam> I've got a problem, I'm totaly new to ubuntu, I'm from belgium
[12:26] <tkooda> I think I get the gist of ubuntu now..  would it be fair to summarize ubuntu (as compared to debian stable) as having "faster, predictable, release cycle with more up-to-date packages; and some measure of more emphasis on the gnome desktop; ..and leaves behind any old developer-infighting-fustration that may have accumulated amoungst debian developers who disagree" ?
[12:27] <sivang> Gmail : you should have it installed under your /home/$user - this is supported by the java tarballs
[12:27] <the_one> hi
[12:27] <nonajme> hi the_one
[12:27] <sivang> Gmail : that way you won't taint your system, and be able to neatly remove when you suddenly want to :)
[12:27] <bam> I've downloaded the cd for my A64 ( yes the I have downloaded the 64 bit pacage ) After i have booted from cd, and ubuntu did some thing i don't know
[12:27] <bam> I had to select the partition
[12:27] <Gmail> sivang: but i want it system wide
[12:27] <sivang> Gmail : just make classpath= and jdk= point to the right places.
[12:28] <Gmail> ok
[12:28] <bam> Now i want to use Windows AND linux in the beginning , so i made two partitions, 65 gigabyte for windows + other stuff and a 16GB for ubuntu
[12:28] <sivang> Gmail : it can be used system wide like this, just put the right envars in a system wide location, just leave the actual execs on your home folder./
[12:28] <Gmail> so $home/.java
[12:28] <the_one> I'd like to install the tahoma font in ubuntu, could I just copy it from the windows partition, if so, how? I need to have root access, so it must be done over the command line. Or is there a font-installation utility in gnome already?
[12:28] <tkooda> I guess I never was very privy to any large-scale debian developer conflict that needed to be solved by forking another distro.
[12:28] <bam> But i don't know what to choose in the partition mangager
[12:28] <sivang> Gmail : yes, I think there is something on the web the explains how to do that.
[12:28] <bam> i can choose ' wisselbestand... '
[12:28] <__daniel> bye
[12:28] <Gmail> sivang: no it can't i don't allow other user into my home folder
[12:29] <tkooda> I do understand the desire to have more up-to-date pacakges in stable thou..
[12:29] <sivang> Gmail : I myself have a working installation of NetBeans, together with an install of the jdk under my home
[12:29] <the_one> anyone?
[12:29] <sivang> Gmail : All other users have only exec permissioss to it, and you can also make a symlink from somewhere in /usr...
[12:30] <sivang> Gmail : but if you wat to have a system wide install, lemme check something.
[12:30] <the_one> let me rephrase.. how do I install a ttf font in ubuntu?
[12:30] <Gmail> sivang: i have set it up that that will not happen on my network
[12:30] <sivang> Gmail : (there supposed to be somewhere on an inofficial debian archive some debs)
[12:30] <Gmail> sivang: yea of blackdown 1.4
[12:31] <sivang> Gmail : on the debian-marriliat ?
[12:31] <paspourtoi> the_one: start with sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[12:31] <bam> Can someone help me?
[12:31] <the_one> paspourtoi: I did that, but tahoma is not included
[12:31] <paspourtoi> ah
[12:31] <Gmail> i am having problems with a program so i need to use sun 1.5
[12:32] <Gmail> sivang: its says 2 mirrors in the FAQ
[12:32] <bam> hmmmmmm, the FAQ is big, is there a FAQ for installing ubuntu 64b?
[12:33] <Gmail> bam: the FAQ are in the FAQ the rest is in the wiki
[12:34] <bam> ye i just found it
[12:34] <bam> hmm
[12:34] <bam> i read something for the swap
[12:34] <cardador> the_one: write fonts:// in nautilus, then drag and drop tahoma in there
[12:34] <bam> is 1 partition not enough?
[12:35] <bam> how many partitions do you guys advise? and how big ?
[12:35] <cardador> bam: ubuntu installer can take care of that for you
[12:36] <cardador> bam: normally 2 partitions: swap with 2 x your ram, and the other with what size you want
[12:36] <eim> Hello folks, I'm currently installing Warty on my x86 workstation -- I own an 80GB IDE HDD and I'm planing how to partition the fs. Which size should be the /boot partition? ~40MB? Thanks.
[12:36] <the_one> cardador: I would do that, but I don't have the permissions, I tried to log in as root after re-enabling the root account in order to do this, but it won't log me in
[12:36] <mirak> hi
[12:36] <Gmail> cardador: not any more
[12:36] <eim> I think also 20MB for /boot should suffice.
[12:37] <mirak> is there a good tool to do data synchronisation between two computer ?
[12:37] <cardador> the_one: just drop the font in there, after restarting X tahoma will be available
[12:37] <Gmail> cardador: a swap of 100MB should do with the ammount of ram people have these days
[12:37] <bam> ok thanks people
[12:37] <bam> i'm printing a part of the faq now ^^
[12:37] <cardador> Gmail: so its a disavantage to have more than 100??
[12:37] <the_one> cardador: will try
[12:37] <Gmail> bam: you read what i said
[12:37] <eim> Gmail: I heard about the fact the swap should be at least the double of your RAM.
[12:38] <Gmail> cardador: yes
[12:38] <mirak> eim: when we had only 128 meg of ram or even 64 yes
[12:38] <bam> cardador and Gmail thanks !
[12:38] <Gmail> eim: if you have less than 128mb
[12:38] <eim> mirak: unison is what I use to sync my home.
[12:38] <cardador> Gmail: why is that? i read the same as eim
[12:38] <bam> let's make thos partitions ^^
[12:38] <mirak> eim: but if you have 1G of ram you will not use 2G of swap :
[12:38] <mirak> !
[12:38] <one_2_one> hy
[12:38] <mirak> eim: thanks I check that
[12:38] <eim> mirak: I have 512MB of RAM so 1024 of SWAP should be ok, IMHO.
[12:38] <one_2_one> any ppc user here ?
[12:38] <mirak> eim: is it possible to use it with cron ?
[12:39] <eim> mirak: Sure, it's a CLI tool.
[12:39] <mirak> eim: that's to much I think
[12:39] <Gmail> cardador: because it was a rule when hdd where faster than ram and hardly any ram
[12:39] <eim> mirak: I'm away. We'll continue discussion later.
[12:39] <mirak> eim: I mean 1G of swap is for using oracle or uge servers I think
[12:39] <mirak> eim: bye
[12:39] <the_one> cardador: I dragged them into fonts:/// but they don't show in there
[12:40] <mirak> Gmail: hdd faster than ram ? :) no
[12:40] <cardador> Gmail: so now i have 512 of swap, with 1024 of ram. what would be the best for me?
[12:40] <cardador> the_one: dont worry, restart x and itll be in there
[12:40] <mirak> cardador: I have 512 of swap for 512 of ram, it's fine
[12:40] <the_one> cardador: ok, thanx, hope'll work
[12:40] <one_2_one> Ubuntu ppc have hfs support ? and about software where i can see the avaliabe soft for ubuntu
[12:40] <the_one> rebooting...
[12:40] <setcreative> Hey folks, I'm having a nightmare of a time trying to get a SATA/NTFS drive to mount.  I'm trying to migrate away from WinXP Pro and need to be able to get at two SATA disks with a single large NTFS partition on each.  I have my PATA NTFS partitions mounted OK, but the SATA ones won't mount.
[12:40] <one_2_one> *hfs++
[12:40] <cardador> not reboot!
[12:41] <cardador> ups
[12:41] <bam> ^^
[12:42] <bam> It's my first time that I try linux
[12:42] <will> who uses eSound output here for listening to music?
[12:42] <bam> how old are you guys?
[12:42] <paspourtoi> bam: ancient
[12:42] <cardador> bam: why is it relevant? (im 8 btw ;))
[12:43] <jordi> 8!
[12:43] <cardador> eheh
[12:43] <Gmail> mirak: at one point of time yes
[12:44] <Gmail> cardador: make it 100MB of swap (unless you need more memery which is unlikely unless you a server)
[12:44] <setcreative> Anybody here know anything about SATA?  Particularly as applies to nVidia chipsets - it's an nforce3 250gb (MSI K8N Neo Platinum) controller.  I seem to be having all kinds of hell with Linux - Mandrake, Fedora and Mepis won't install, only Ubuntu, and it won't mount my SATA drives.
[12:45] <cardador> Gmail: so can i convert my 512 swap to 100? and how do i do it?
[12:46] <Gmail> cardador: if it already there don't worry unless you need more space
[12:46] <cardador> Gmail: ok,  but ill keep that in mind when i need to install ubuntu somewhere
[12:48] <m00se> hi
[12:48] <Adrenal> i am running an amd 2500. Which cpu setting should i be running, and how do i add it?
[12:48] <Adrenal> hey by the way
[12:49] <m00se> i have a problem with printing from evolution in hoary. it always prints extra blank page, anyone has similar problems?
[12:49] <Adrenal> anyone?
[12:50] <bam> eu
[12:50] <bam> i don't know :s
[12:50] <bam> i'm new to this
[12:50] <Adrenal> dang
[12:50] <m00se> Adrenal, what cpu settings?
[12:50] <Adrenal> when u start up, in grub
[12:51] <paspourtoi> Adrenal: I wasn't aware any such setting was required
[12:51] <Adrenal> the number after the os, eg 386
[12:51] <Adrenal> how do i change that to the one corrosponding with my actual cpu?
[12:51] <m00se> install linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-k7
[12:51] <Adrenal> or is there little point doing so?
[12:51] <paspourtoi> ?
[12:51] <cardador> Adrenal: open synaptic and search for linux-image
[12:51] <Adrenal> kk
[12:51] <m00se> it should be your default kernel in grub
[12:52] <Adrenal> my default kernal is 386
[12:52] <m00se> when you have -k7 working you can remove -i386
[12:52] <bam> em, is there a music player in ubuntu? that reads .mp3's from my windows directory
[12:52] <Adrenal> ah, thanks
[12:52] <cardador> bam: rythmbox
[12:52] <bam> ok
[12:52] <bam> is it in ubuntu or it it on the internet?
[12:52] <cardador> bam: its the music player from the menu
[12:52] <bam> ok :)
[12:53] <Adrenal> and do i get rid of the old 386 version?
[12:53] <cardador> bam: applications > multimedia > music player
[12:53] <one_2_one> where can i see the avaliable soft for ubuntu or i can install .deb on ubuntu ?
[12:53] <bam> ok
[12:53] <cardador> Adrenal: dont worry about that
[12:53] <bam> i'm realy new, i've seen some screenshots of my friend in suse
[12:53] <Adrenal> but if i don't, won't there be like 4 os' on my startup?
[12:54] <cardador> Adrenal: if you have a menu entry on computer > syst conf > boot, then its easy
[12:54] <bam> after installing ubuntu, is it autmatical grafical or is it in the console
[12:54] <cardador> Adrenal: but im not sure if it is on warty
[12:54] <bam> ( sorry , my englisch isn't that good 14y )
[12:54] <cardador> bam: graphical
[12:54] <paspourtoi> Adrenal: extra kernels don't take up much space :)
[12:54] <bam> aah :D that's fine
[12:54] <Gmail> YourNickHere: /nick YourNickHere
[12:54] <bam> i'm going for dinner, bye !
[12:55] <cardador> ahah bam-food
[12:55] <Slackman> hey guys, on boot the *configure network interfaces seems to take for ever
[12:55] <Slackman> any ideas why?
[12:56] <cardador> Slackman: does it hang on something like "syncronizing with npt clock"?
[12:56] <m00se> Slackman, or it looks for dhcp server
[12:56] <YourNickHere> hello
[12:56] <Slackman> cardador, nah
[12:57] <Slackman> m00se, hmm is there a daemon that does a dhcp lookup if a network cable is plugged in later... ?
[12:58] <Slackman> i.e can i get rid of that script on start up
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: does ubuntu come with anything to manage dialup (gnome gui wise)
[12:58] <daniels> Lathiat: there's a gnome ppp dialer thingy
[12:58] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: i mean on the disk
[12:59] <daniels> but I don't know how well that actually *manages* connections
[12:59] <daniels> i think you need pppconfig
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) cus i installed gnome-ppp
[12:59] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) seems pretty nice
[12:59] <Slackman> daniels, does that work for usb dsl modems too?
[01:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) if i can find the usb cable for my mobile
[01:00] <daniels> Slackman: i think that's pppoeconf
[01:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i was chatting on irc driving down the freeway today , such a geek :)
[01:00] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its cool the three 3G gprs only has like 200ms rtt, as opposed to GSM gprs whcih is usually 700-1000ms - so ssh is nicely usable
[01:01] <Slackman> daniels, carp...UK uses PPPOA ...i have it configured via a script, but i was hoping there was a gui tool so i could let my gf use linux
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Lathiat: nice..
[01:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) albeit at 0.4c/kb making it 2c just to open the ssh session :)
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Lathiat: too bad my operator doesn't do 3G yet :(
[01:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Treenaks: heh
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) though they're "working on it"
[01:01] <daniels> Slackman: i'm honestly not sure -- maybe there is.  i've just never had to use pppoe myself.
[01:01] <daniels> Lathiat: on irc ... while *driving*?
[01:01] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: oh mum was driving, not me :)
[01:01] <Slackman> daniels, thanks
[01:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) daniels: wouldn't that be cool? :)
[01:02] <m00se> Slackman, there is no dhcp daemon, dhcp client is launched only one during system start
[01:02] <gr13> hello! could anybody help me with login in ubuntu?
[01:02] <daniels> Treenaks: until you crash
[01:02] <FartClone> hello room
[01:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) daniels: text-to-speech, speech-to-text
[01:02] <FartClone> my "locate" doesn't seem to work
[01:03] <paspourtoi> FartClone: sudo updatedb
[01:03] <FartClone> ah of course
[01:03] <m00se> Slackman, you can check in /etc/network/interfaces if you have dhcp enabled
[01:03] <cardador> gr13: just ask
[01:03] <Slackman> m00se, k thanks i'll check it
[01:04] <bar1> hello i can't login to my synaptic packet manager
[01:05] <cardador> bar1: why?
[01:05] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) daniels: hrmm, well if it dropped to the tray itd be half-decent
[01:05] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) having a window floating around kinda sucks
[01:05] <bar1> my root password is asked and its allways wrong while it works perfect with the sudo command
[01:06] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bar1: You need to use *your* password with synpatic
[01:06] <bar1> i have typed every password i ever used in ubuntu nothing works
[01:06] <m00se> daniels, why do maximized windows in gnome cover panels with xcompmgr enabled?
[01:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) bar1: how are you opening synaptic?
[01:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) m00se: because xcompmgr is a hack
[01:07] <Juerd> Can someone guide me through downloading sources for debian-installer?
[01:07] <m00se> lamont, ah, ok :)
[01:07] <Juerd> There's no source tarball, no source debian package
[01:07] <bar1> computer->system configuration->synaptic
[01:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) killing metacity after starting xcompmgr helps moalot of things
[01:07] <daniels> m00se: because xcompmgr doesn't understand the hints correctly
[01:07] <m00se> s/lamont/Lathiat
[01:07] <Juerd> There is a svn repository, but I don't know how to get things off there
[01:08] <sluDGeT> hello to everyone! got a problem:) i've upgraded the system and a new samba came. I've workaround that /etc/rc2.d/S91samba symlink problem. But now, when I want to enable samba to browse home directories it gives an error like NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME ? any suggestions? I don't if it was working before I've updated. I've just tried this
[01:08] <setcreative> Damn.  Doing some reading it looks like the only way to get Ubuntu's kernel version working with an NVidia SATA chipset is to recompile the kernel.  I'm going to have to read about this a whole lot more :(  Not the nicest intro to Linux...
[01:09] <cardador> m00se: kill gnome-panel
[01:09] <sluDGeT> it's giving the error when i try it with smbclient , when i try from nautilus, it says it cant find it, and maybe it's deleted :)
[01:10] <xukun> sluDGeT: If I where you I would try #samba
[01:10] <marcus|> setcreative: It worked out of the box on my nforce3.
[01:11] <m00se> does ubuntu support installation on SATA drives (with nforce3 controller)?
[01:11] <setcreative> Marcus: Really?  Why is everybody saying that it doesn't work on the 2.6.8 kernel version over at AMD Zone?
[01:11] <setcreative> I don't need to install to a SATA drive, just to mount an NTFS one
[01:11] <xukun> any one of you guys using nx or freenx?
[01:12] <m00se> cardador, thx, i'll try that
[01:12] <cardador> xukun: i tried freenx but cant connect to it
[01:13] <marcus|> setcreative: I dunno. I just booted the CD and installed on it. I used gentoo with 2.6.8 for some time too.
[01:13] <bar1> this is the fault i get when i want to start the synaptic: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:
[01:13] <bar1>  Child terminated with 1 status
[01:14] <opi> hi there
[01:14] <setcreative> I'd just assumed that the nf3 SATA thing was the problem since virtually every distro I've tried other than Ubuntu basically just won't work, and there's really very little else in the machine other than an nf3 250gb chipset, a bunch of disks, sound card and video card. Fedora won't even get as far as the media tester, Mandrake hits incredible speedbumps and Mepis can't write the bootloader.
[01:15] <sluDGeT> xukun: thanks :) i'll try
[01:15] <setcreative> marcus: What does your fstab line for that SATA disk look like?
[01:16] <marcus|> /dev/sda3       /               reiserfs defaults        0       1
[01:16] <marcus|> /dev/sda1       /boot           ext2    defaults        0       2
[01:16] <marcus|> Dont you mean dmesg?
[01:17] <xukun> setcreative: did you have only sata disks on your system?
[01:17] <setcreative> xukun: Nope, only two.  One PATA, two SATA.  OS is installed on PATA.
[01:18] <xukun> setcreative: so what is the problem?
[01:18] <marcus|> I only have one SATA disk.
[01:18] <setcreative> xukun: Can't mount the SATA NTFS partitions
[01:19] <setcreative> xukun: I may be doing something really daft, but I get a message like so: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sd(whatever), or too many mounted file systems
[01:19] <setcreative> ... yet a virtually identical (apart from the device) line in fstab is mounting the partitions on my PATA drive OK.
[01:20] (mjr/#ubuntu) can you see the SATA disks? For example, with fdisk /dev/sda
[01:20] <marcus|> Gnome VFS hasnt mounted them then?
[01:21] <setcreative> root@ubuntu:/home/finn # fdisk /dev/sda - The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 310101. There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024, and could in certain setups cause problems with: 1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO) 2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs  (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK) Command (m for help):
[01:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) setcreative, "p" for print
[01:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) does it show something that looks like the correct partitioning
[01:22] <bar1> i've tried to open everyting where you need to be a root like synaptic, network, users and groups. and nothing works with *my* password the same i give in when i log in.
[01:23] <setcreative> mjr: I think you might have just got it.  Excuse me while I a: Try something, and b: Possibly laugh at myself for an hour if I'm right about this...
[01:24] <cardador> bar1: are you running warty?
[01:24] <setcreative> It's official - I'm now a moron.  Missed the "1" off of "sda1".  Thanks everybody, you've helped me realise my true status in life :D
[01:24] <xukun> setcreative: :)
[01:24] <bar1> no i'm not
[01:24] <xukun> setcreative: good for you
[01:25] <xukun> cardador: about freenx, which errors?
[01:25] <setcreative> now, I'm off to bed.  Thanks a heap for the help, but it's about 2am here and I need to work tomorrow.  I'm now officially free of Windows XP (apart from for audio use, but what can you do?), so I'm happy.
[01:25] <cardador> xukun: the other pcs are not authorized to connect
[01:25] <m00se> setcreative, i often make similar mistake when running fdisk e.g. fdisk /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/hda :)
[01:25] <bar1> wait i dont know what i run i got this disk from a friend
[01:26] <cardador> bar1: warty is the released version of Ubuntu :)
[01:26] <cardador> bar1: then there is an under development one, hoary
[01:27] <tim1> bar1: cat /etc/issue
[01:27] <tim1> shows what you're running
[01:27] <aaroncuk> My system keeps freezing alot, and everytime i open the screensaver menu.. can anyone help.. its driving me mad
[01:28] <bar1> i run warty wartlog
[01:28] <xukun> cardador: did you tried this? nxsetup --setup-nomachine-key
[01:28] <cardador> xukun: yes
[01:29] <kristjan> hi all
[01:29] <xukun> cardador: can you ssh to the server
[01:29] <bar1> but i still don't know why i wont wok to log in
[01:29] <cardador> xukun: i tried it from a windows box
[01:29] <cardador> xukun: dont have putty installed
[01:29] <aaroncuk> i have run a memory test and it found no faults with that, could it be open gl???
[01:30] <polytan> hello
[01:30] <cardador> xukun: are you able to connect?
[01:30] <xukun> cardador: you should test if ssh is working to the server, becouse nx uses port 22(ssh) to connect?
[01:30] <polytan> i've a nicve bug when i'm installing ubuntu on a friend's computer ...
[01:31] <Friczy> hi
[01:31] <Vince-0> !
[01:31] <nonajme> hi Friczy
[01:31] <Vince-0> How do I get into root from a brnd new install
[01:31] <polytan> the kernel detect a processor at 255 C !!!
[01:31] <xukun> cardador: yes, but I,m having other problem, not like yours and I was looking somebody who uses freenx so U ask him to try something for me?
[01:31] <nonajme> Vince-0: sudo su
[01:32] <Vince-0> kk
[01:32] <bar1> maybe sombody can tell me how i can open synaptic in a shell maybe that works now i do computer->system configuration->synaptic
[01:32] <NewComer> what is the loop device in ubuntu?
[01:32] <cardador> xukun: ask who?
[01:32] <AptivaIBM> I kinda need some help here. I've tried to install Ubuntu on a IBM Aptiva. But the damn thing won't reboot properly.
[01:32] <Friczy> I have some problems with the installation. I want to put into an existing partition but installer doesn't see the partition
[01:32] <Vince-0> nonajme: cant I just change the passwd ?
[01:32] <xukun> cardador: yes, but I,m having other problem, not like yours and I was looking somebody who uses freenx so I could ask him to try something for me?
[01:32] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Describe "not properly"
[01:32] <cardador> xukun: ah ok
[01:33] <Vince-0> nonajme: did it , shot son
[01:34] <AptivaIBM> hm... It shows the nice IBM splashscreen, then some lines of text and then it stops completely up and the last word displayed is "boot".
[01:34] <kristjan> anybody previously used debian?
[01:34] <kristjan> (prior to ubuntu)
[01:34] <cardador> kristjan: i did
[01:34] <Friczy> kremlyn: I still use )
[01:34] <kristjan> cardador: what made u switch?
[01:34] <nonajme> kristjan: i did, but i don't like debian pretty mutch
[01:34] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Anything before "boot"?
[01:34] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Anything after it, like a colon?
[01:35] <kristjan> why should i be happier as a ubuntu user?
[01:35] <TongMaster> because you're not using Redhat.
[01:35] <Friczy> kristjan: the packages are newer in the stable distribution
[01:35] <kristjan> nonajme: what do you like better in ubuntu?
[01:35] <cardador> kristjan: imagine debian without all the trouble to upgrade kernel, install nvidia driver, etc, etc
[01:35] <Juerd> kristjan: I use both vanilla Debian and Ubuntu.
[01:35] <joolz> morning
[01:35] <Juerd> kristjan: Ubuntu for boxes that my dad uses, vanilla Debian for my own boxes.
[01:35] <kristjan> cardador: i thought so...
[01:35] <joolz> I have a problem with preferred applications, text editor
[01:36] <nonajme> kristjan: when i selected to install xfree in debian its installad so much of shit....~
[01:36] <joolz> I set it to custom editor, select gvim, but ubuntu won't remember it
[01:36] <joolz> am i doing something wrong?
[01:36] <TongMaster> ah, kristjan, I switched from Debian sid to Ubuntu and found it had the end-user expereince down to practically "just works"
[01:36] <nonajme> kristjan: and in ubuntu everything runs perfect from scratch
[01:36] <Juerd> nonajme: The same "shit" is installed in Ubuntu. Just not with your explicit consent.
[01:36] <TongMaster> so I spend no time hacking on my laptop na dmore time hacking :)
[01:37] <Juerd> nonajme: Not "everything". Users with Wacom tablets can't use Ubuntu's current kernel.
[01:37] <joolz> i consider removing gedit alltogether, maybe that will solve it
[01:37] <kristjan> so basically: less work to get it working...
[01:37] <joolz> or does anyone have a beter idea?
[01:37] <nonajme> Juerd: but in debian i have many shit daemons active, but don't in ubuntu
[01:37] <kristjan> cool, so i chose wisely...
[01:37] <kristjan> ;)
[01:37] <cardador> TongMaster: exactly like me
[01:37] <Juerd> nonajme: That boils down to experience, I'm afraid.
[01:38] <Juerd> nonajme: And for the less experienced, Ubuntu without doubt is a better system.
[01:38] <xukun> guys, is there some kind of secure gui ftp, like sftp? sftp is only console based?
[01:38] <Juerd> It's easier to get working, and still allows the user to do whatever they want.
[01:38] <nonajme> Juerd: yes, my experience in debian is low. i like gentoo better
[01:38] <NewComer> xukun, gftp
[01:39] <xukun> NewComer: well thank you
[01:39] <NewComer> not sure if secure enough
[01:39] <kristjan> nonajme: so why not gentoo?
[01:39] <cardador> xukun: nautilus
[01:39] <NewComer> anyone know how to extract an iso image to harddrive?
[01:39] <nonajme> kristjan: i dont like to compile so much on a laptop.
[01:40] <xukun> cardador: it should be secure
[01:40] <kristjan> nonajme: thanks, u answered another q...
[01:40] <joolz> nope, that didn't help: Couldn't display "textfile".
[01:40] <cardador> NewComer: right clik on it, extract
[01:40] <joolz> should I file a bug for this?
[01:40] <nonajme> sorry for my bad english, btw
[01:40] <cardador> xukun: nautilus is not secure?
[01:40] <NewComer> cardador, fileroller crashes
[01:40] <GuyverXT9> ubunta is the biggest pile of cockcheese ever known to man, and deserves to be fucked through the skull by a horde of raging midgets
[01:41] <GuyverXT9> *ubuntu
[01:41] <xukun> cardador: is telnet sure?
[01:41] <cardador> NewComer: open it with file roller then extract it. sometimes it works that way
[01:41] <NewComer> cardador, cool, i'll try
[01:41] <joolz> GuyverXT9: why midgets?
[01:41] <cardador> xukun: dont know
[01:41] <GuyverXT9> they have the biggest weeners
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: The two last lines it displays is:
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> Savedefault
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> boot
[01:41] <AptivaIBM> Thats it...
[01:41] <kristjan> GuyverXT9: u midget?
[01:42] <joolz> GuyverXT9: personally I think they just bluff :)
[01:42] <cardador> xukun: how do you start nxserver?
[01:42] <GuyverXT9> well, i have a big weener...
[01:42] <Slackman> anyone here know much about the gnome wireless tool? it says N/A, even if i assign an ip address to the wlan card
[01:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) whats newer, 1.0.2-1 or 1.0.2-prev1
[01:43] <joolz> Can anyone tell me how and where I should set the default text editor?
[01:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) (dpkg/apt-wise)
[01:44] <z4k4ri4> Has hoary get universe update yet?
[01:44] <kristjan> by all, have a nice day!
[01:44] <joolz> bye all means :)
[01:44] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Has it ever booted into Ubuntu, or are you currently installing?
[01:45] <aaroncuk> what driver is best to use in x if u dont have a driver for ur gfx car
[01:45] <aaroncuk> d
[01:45] <AptivaIBM> Currently installing.
[01:45] <Juerd> aaroncuk: Please type English. "ur" is not a word.
[01:45] <cardador> aaroncuk: what is your card?
[01:45] <aaroncuk> sorry, lol your
[01:45] <Slackman> heh aolisms
[01:45] <aaroncuk> ProSavag8 - onboard
[01:46] <Juerd> arachne: "vga" and "vesa" probably work, but it's best to find a suitable driver.
[01:46] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Did you get any error message (red screen)?
[01:46] <cardador> joolz: computer > deskt prefs > preferred aplications
[01:46] <aaroncuk> i have tried to use the xfree86 dirver that someone has made for savage cards.. but im getting sytem lockups since installing it
[01:46] <joolz> cardador: thanks, but when I put gvim in there, it forgets the setting as soon as i close the dialog
[01:46] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: Nope. It just stops not bothering to do anyting more...
[01:47] <joolz> maybe i should do some setting in the registry? /me browsing gconf editor now
[01:47] <z4k4ri4> anybody here using hoary?
[01:47] <mirak> I was wondering why there is no hardlinks on folders, what is the reason for this ?
[01:47] <aaroncuk> hmm, there is a command you have to run after dpkg-reconfigure, anyone remember it
[01:48] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Did it announce it'd reboot?
[01:48] <Simeon_WF> Hi people - I'm at the basic stage at the moment - I'm unable to convince Nero to burn the downloaded image of Warty - it comnplains that the block size may be wrong
[01:49] <z4k4ri4> Simeon_WF: have you check the md5 sum?
[01:49] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: That it did. It announced, it boots kinda ("Booting Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.8.1-3-386") and stops...
[01:49] <Simeon_WF> z4: not yet
[01:49] <z4k4ri4> maybe its corrupted
[01:50] <Simeon_WF> z4: could be, I've never had a problem when I've burned images in the past
[01:50] <joolz> nope, I didn't find it in the gconf editor. This really sucks
[01:50] <cardador> xukun: i can ssh from the winblows box to ubuntu,  but nxserver doesnt work
[01:51] <xukun> cardador: sec
[01:52] <joolz> wuold it help if i looked in all the .gconf, .gconfd, gnome etc directories
[01:52] <joolz> i'm getting really homesick for fvwm2
[01:52] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: What is the CPU in the machine?
[01:53] <aaroncuk> i have run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but theres another command after that to activate the changesd and i cant remember it, any ideas
[01:53] <RubenV> joolz: did you try logging in and out?
[01:53] <RubenV> that capplet is a bitch
[01:53] <joolz> RubenV: seriously? no, i didn't. I'll give it a shot
[01:54] <AptivaIBM> Well. Not to much. 500MHz I think.
[01:56] <joolz> RubenV: i logged out (with save settings), didn't help
[01:56] <RubenV> then it's time to burn that capplet :)
[01:56] <joolz> please don't say i shout reboot to change such a simple setting :)
[01:57] <joolz> RubenV: can i go around the capplet and do the setting somewhere in a configfile? (as it's Meant To Be)
[01:57] <jono> hi all
[01:57] <RubenV> joolz: no idea where it stores that setting
[01:57] <Vince-0> where can I add XP to boot it in grub/menu.lst
[01:57] <Vince-0> ?
[01:57] <RubenV> one would expect it to be in gconf
[01:57] <baluba> is it possible while burning in nautilus to set the cd label? i mean the string which identify the medium on subsequents mounts
[01:57] <joolz> RubenV: nope, it's not there
[01:57] <jono> I upgraded to hoary last night, and my X.org display seems to be really wavy - it doesnt look like the screen refresh rates are wrong as parts of the screen look fine, it is just the drawn graphics that are really wavy - any ideas?
[01:58] <NewComer> how can i get the root terminal, the one in the gnome menu, only that i'm on xfce
[01:58] <joolz> guess i'll do a grep -r on my homedir, last refuge of the hopeless
[01:58] <RubenV> NewComer: open a terminal
[01:59] <RubenV> and type sudo su
[01:59] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Bramd?
[01:59] <joolz> NewComer: or sudo -s
[01:59] <NewComer> cool, thx RubenV and joolz
[01:59] <joolz> yw
[01:59] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: Intel.
[02:00] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Then I have no idea what could be wrong. You can try doing a manual installation, choosing for lilo instead of grub, to see if that makes any difference.
[02:00] <bar1> die sudo su lukt bij mij wel ma kan nie aan mijne synaptic via computer system configuration
[02:00] <joolz> damn. I logged out and did a save settings. Now I get 2 gaims when starting up. IIRC this was already borken 2 years ago
[02:00] <joolz> *sigh*
[02:01] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: So it should work? Well... I'm really not too good at installing manual... give me some hints?
[02:01] <RubenV> joolz: gnome session is one major piece of brokeness
[02:01] <Juerd> bar1: Regardless of the language you choose to type, please try to type words in full. "ma" is "moeder", not "maar".
[02:01] <xukun> cardador: sorry it took a while, I must do something
[02:01] <joolz> RubenV: you can say that again
[02:01] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: Just go with the defaults, and where you get the chance to choose grub, refuse that. The next option will be LILO.
[02:02] <aaroncuk> whats the command to remove xserver and reinstall it?
[02:02] <xukun> cardador: there is nothing to restart - it's started whenever a ssh connection to nx is initiated
[02:02] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: I'll try that. See you in a bit then! :)
[02:02] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: It's been a while since I did this, so I'm not sure where exactly in the installer this is.
[02:02] <bar1> sorry i'll type it in english i just switched from a dutch forum
[02:02] <Juerd> bar1: Dutch is fine with me, as long as it's correct. I don't know if the channel allows it.
[02:03] <Juerd> bar1: wat gaat fout als je synaptic opstart?
[02:03] <joolz> bar1: niks :)
[02:03] <skar> hi, how do i play dvd with the menus, seems mplayer plays the tracks directly :(
[02:03] <joolz> oh sorry, read it the wrong way around :)
[02:03] <bar1> i just wont to know how i can open my synaptic manager because my password always seems to fail
[02:03] <cardador> xukun: how can you tell if it is working? nxserver --status does not work
[02:04] <Juerd> bar1: Which password do you use? The user's or root's?
[02:04] <bar1> that's the same because root is set of by default
[02:04] <Juerd> No, it's not the same.
[02:04] <baluba> it seems nautilus just get the volume-id from the iso itself, so i've got to find how to modify it
[02:04] <Juerd> But yes, you need the user's password. Is that the password you use?
[02:05] <bar1> yes just the same password that i use when i log in
[02:05] <Juerd> bar1: Does it contain any non-alphanumeric characters?
[02:05] <bar1> yes
[02:05] <bar1> maybe that my fault
[02:05] <Juerd> bar1: Did you do a Dutch installation?
[02:06] <bar1> yes i did
[02:06] <Juerd> bar1: Via Desktop preferences -> Toetsenbord -> Indelingen, choose "U.S. English" and then "Toevoegen"
[02:06] <Juerd> bar1: Then select "Dutch" and "Verwijderen", "Sluiten"
[02:06] <Juerd> bar1: Ubuntu developers didn't realise that Dutch people do usually not use Dutch keyboards :)
[02:07] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh that would be a reasonable assumption
[02:07] <bar1> ah thx i'll try it immediately
[02:07] <Juerd> (Only IBM stubbornly keeps supplying dutch keyboards with dutch computers, refusing to acknowledge that the dutch layout SUCKS and is HATED. This is why IBM doesn't sell many laptops in .nl)
[02:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha
[02:08] <Juerd> At least with a non-laptop you can use your own keyboard.
[02:08] <Slackman> Juerd, can't you just change to another layout...thats what i do now i'm in the uk
[02:08] <bar1> now i have a qwerty one
[02:08] <Slackman> we have uk keyboards, but i just use a us layout
[02:09] <Juerd> Slackman: Yes, but then the labels are wrong. Not a problem for those who touch type, but certainly a problem for everyone else.
[02:09] <Talliesin> Juerd, you've a marketing issue there. "Don't give Dutch keyboards to the Dutch" makes no sense. "Upgrade to the *new* Dutch keyboard" will convince them.
[02:09] <Juerd> bar1: Dutch and US are both QWERTY, but some non-alphanumerics are in different locations.
[02:09] <Juerd> Talliesin: Not really.
[02:09] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: haha, you have a point
[02:09] <Juerd> Talliesin: It's by no means an upgrade.
[02:10] <Juerd> Talliesin: Dvorak'd be an upgrade. Dutch keyboards, compared to US English, are a downgrade.
[02:10] <Juerd> They would be useful if they had that one dutch letter "ij" (it's one letter, not two)
[02:10] <Juerd> BUT
[02:10] <Juerd> They don't!
[02:10] <bar1> i changed it back to belgian keyboard because i have an azerty keyboard
[02:10] <Slackman> Juerd, yeh learn to touch time...its easier :)
[02:10] <Juerd> So you still have to type "i" "j", and there's no point in having a special keyboard.
[02:11] <Slackman> type
[02:11] <Slackman> i meant
[02:11] <Juerd> Slackman: Learn to touch type *dvorak*.
[02:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Juerd: ive pondered doing that for fun
[02:11] <joolz> bar1: i allways thought a belgian keyboard IS azerty?
[02:11] <Juerd> Slackman: www.dvorak.nl is a simple typing course. Takes 10 hours to learn the entire alphabet.
[02:11] <Slackman> Juerd, yeh i can type dvorak, its actually faster...but it doesn't work with games
[02:11] <Juerd> joolz: There's also French AZERTY
[02:11] <Juerd> Slackman: I don't play computer games.
[02:11] <Talliesin> Yes, so you need to tell them that the US English keyboards are the new Dutch keyboard. Or better yet submit a new layout to the ICU database which is like the US Keyboard and has 
[02:11] <Slackman> Juerd, i.e ut2k4 doens't keep key bindings
[02:12] <Juerd> Slackman: Not ones that require keyboard input anyway.
[02:12] <bar1> yes but juerd made me change it into a us english one and that wast a very good idee:-)
[02:12] <joolz> yes i know. I always piss off belgian friend by complaining about their french keyboard :)
[02:12] <joolz> friends
[02:12] <Talliesin> (Though I thought ij was considered to letters, but one collation and capitalisation unit, rather than one letter, and that the Unicode  and  were for backwards compatibility)
[02:12] <Juerd> AZERTY keyboards suck as much as Dutch QWERTY.
[02:13] <joolz> what was that again: "every interface more complicated than a nipple sucks"
[02:13] <Talliesin> Bizarrely my keyboard has just gone to a US-English layout for no reason (so hould be Ireland-English)
[02:13] <Juerd> Talliesin: It actually is one letter. But because iso-8859-* doesn't have them, for an entire generation we have now used "ij".
[02:13] <bar1> look it cant be that everyting works allright when i log in because then my password works perfect also the special sings and everything and when i want to open the synaptic or anything else my password fails
[02:13] <Juerd> Talliesin: Most Dutch don't even know it's one letter anymore.
[02:13] <joolz> Juerd: technically it's a ligatur
[02:13] <joolz> a bit between 1 and 2 letters
[02:14] <joolz> samentrekking
[02:14] <Juerd> joolz: Only the glyph is.
[02:14] <Juerd> joolz: It's like  in that way.
[02:14] <Juerd> That's a ligature of a and e, but very clearly one letter.
[02:14] <joolz> like a small hollow square?
[02:14] <joolz> :)
[02:14] <Juerd> Heh, fix thy terminal :)
[02:14] <Juerd> I'm emitting iso-8859-1
[02:14] <Talliesin>  is different.
[02:15] <joolz> Juerd: LOL, touche!
[02:15] <joolz> Talliesin: yeah, two hollow squares
[02:15] <Juerd> Talliesin: Sorry, I don't have a utf-8 capable terminal
[02:15] <Juerd> joolz: Wow, you have a US-ASCII-only terminal?_
[02:15] <joolz> no idea, it's gnome-terminal, default install
[02:15] <Juerd> That's *bad*.
[02:16] <joolz> Juerd: you tell me... Just the default ubuntu install
[02:16] <joolz> how can I fix that?
[02:16] <Talliesin>  unifies both the Icelandic ash (which is a letter, not historically derived from combining a and e) and the  of Latin, old fashioned English and other European languages.
[02:16] <Juerd> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Y
[02:17] <bar1> i changed my password and used only letters this time and now it works perfect thanx a lot
[02:17] <Talliesin> In archological  is two letters.
[02:17] <Juerd> joolz: No idea.
[02:17] <Juerd> Talliesin: It's archeological.
[02:17] <Juerd> :)
[02:18] <Juerd> Talliesin: Is Icelandic that language that also still uses  and ?
[02:18] <Talliesin> Juerd, gah! If you must avoid letters in English use archaeological rather than that horrible American spelling :)
[02:18] <Talliesin> Yes.
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Hi, I have installed a Warly and got a little problem because the x server wouldn't launch. I edited the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and found out that it was due to the name of my screen which is CMC 17" AD, so I had the lines
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Section "Monitor"
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Identifier	"CMC 17" AD"
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> and
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Section "Screen"
[02:18] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Monitor	 "CMC 17" AD"
[02:19] <Vladimir_ubuntu> , where the " for inches was considered as an ending quote.
[02:19] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Is it a known problem ? Is it the right place to post this question ?
[02:19] <Talliesin> s/avoid letters/avoid ligatures
[02:19] <Juerd> Archaic letters
[02:19] <Juerd> Vladimir_ubuntu: Please to not be floodink.
[02:19] <Vladimir_ubuntu> Oops sorry, first time I use IRC
[02:20] <Talliesin> Eh, you can't still use "archaic letters", they aren't archaic if you're still using them.
[02:20] <Juerd> Vladimir_ubuntu: It is considered rude to paste multiple lines without permission, because it fills entire screens.
[02:20] <Juerd> Talliesin: I'm not using them :)
[02:20] <Juerd> Talliesin: ae, d, th work well :)
[02:20] <Talliesin> Not in Icelandic they don't
[02:20] <Juerd> Vladimir_ubuntu: Anyway, report the bug at bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:21] <Vladimir_ubuntu> I'm very sorry, won't do it again ;-)
[02:21] <Juerd> Talliesin: I was told that it's very understandable
[02:21] <Talliesin> Juerd, I was told that it's tolerated because they figure they can't expect us foreigners to do things right :)
[02:22] <Juerd> Talliesin: That's how ij became i j. All it takes is technology not supporting the real thing. Or foreigners. Let's start a revolution there :)
[02:24] <Talliesin> I must look into the ij. I was told (by someone who knows a lot on such things) that they were a collation unit but still two letters.
[02:24] <Juerd> No way they're two letters :)
[02:25] <Juerd> Well, ij are. The real character isn't.
[02:25] <Talliesin> What did they derive from?
[02:25] <Juerd> y
[02:25] <Talliesin> A ha.
[02:25] <Juerd> (And the other way around too: some English Ys are originally IJs)
[02:25] <Talliesin> that seems familiar now you say that.
[02:25] <Juerd> ij is used for what was ei or y, but not every occurrence. I don't know why some things changed and others did not.
[02:26] <Juerd> I believe I read somewhere that English "by" comes from Dutch "bij" which comes from German "bei".
[02:26] <Talliesin> !
[02:26] <Talliesin> Now I remember what I was told.
[02:26] <Juerd> Likewise: eis -> ijs -> ice
[02:26] <Talliesin> ij is one letter that came from y but some of the root words had ei (two letters). Yep, it's all coming back.
[02:26] <Ycros> dysfunction.
[02:28] <aaroncuk> can someone help me with X.. its crashing loads.
[02:28] <aaroncuk> have tried uninstalling and reloading it
[02:28] <Juerd> aaroncuk: Has it ever worked correctly since you installed Ubuntu?
[02:28] <aaroncuk> yeah
[02:29] <Juerd> aaroncuk: Then restore the backup you made before you began messing around.
[02:29] <Juerd> aaroncuk: You did backup, right?
[02:29] <Ycros> anything you haven't backed up you are willing to lose
[02:30] <Juerd> And all was quiet.
[02:30] <aaroncuk> theres not alot on the system.
[02:30] <aaroncuk> i only installed it 2 days ago
[02:30] <seadog> hello
[02:31] <aaroncuk> will have to reinstall some annyoing daemons tho lol
[02:31] <AptivaIBM> Juerd: The install went ok, but the boot failed again. Lilo only says that bios memory ok, and stops...
[02:32] <aaroncuk> basically it seems to freeze whenever i try to load the screensaver menu or the screen resolution menu
[02:32] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: That's not something LILO normally says :)
[02:32] <Juerd> AptivaIBM: I'm sorry, but I have no idea what's wrong with your system.
[02:33] <seadog> Can somebody tell me which is the procedure so that stuff that is not in debian packages can be included in ubuntu (like translations of firefox)?
[02:34] <AptivaIBM> It worked fine when I installed it on the laptop...
[02:35] <aaroncuk> i think im just gonna reformat
[02:36] <aaroncuk> need to make sure that it is x causing it, not a hardware fault
[02:36] <Juerd> seadog: Add "universe"
[02:36] <Juerd> seadog: Using synaptic or a text editor.
[02:36] <Juerd> seadog: Add it to where "main restricted" already are.
[02:36] <Juerd> Or, possibly, uncomment the line that has "universe"
[02:39] <seadog> juerd: hmmm I didn't explain well enough. Those packages don't exist, I just want some stuff, which does not exist in packages (not even in debian), to be included in ubuntu
[02:40] <Juerd> Install it as you would on a non-debian system
[02:40] <Juerd> Or make debian packages
[02:41] <seadog> juerd: ok I want the procedures so this stuff gets added in ubuntu repositories :) Is there a wiki page or something? Should I add them in DesktopSeed for example?
[02:43] <Juerd> Then I absolutely have no idea.
[02:44] <seadog> Juerd, ok thnx anyway :)
[02:44] <seadog> anyone please?
[02:44] <agwibowo> does anyone know alarm application in ubuntu?
[02:44] <agwibowo> somehting like kalarm in kde?
[02:44] <baluba> seadog, have you read carefully on the site?
[02:44] <RubenV> you could use evolution
[02:45] <agwibowo> does it play sound as well?
[02:45] <agwibowo> kalarm can execute program, so i can play music as for my alarm
[02:45] <agwibowo> (i used it as my wake up alarm)
[02:47] <agwibowo> maybe i have to use the command line cron jobs..
[02:47] <agwibowo> ehehehe
[02:47] <m00se> agwibowo, yes, evolution can play sounds
[02:48] <agwibowo> ah
[02:48] <agwibowo> where about is the alarm?
[02:48] <Riddell> agwibowo: xmms-alarm
[02:48] <seadog> baluba, can you point me a url?
[02:49] <Riddell> agwibowo: or kalarm
[02:49] <agwibowo> Riddel : that beats the purpose of using gnome based distribution
[02:50] <m00se> agwibowo, go to claendar view, schedule an event, make it recurrent and set up an action for this alarm
[02:51] <baluba> seadog, i'm looking myself if there's an howto or something... but probably not. you may look in bugzilla if request for new packages are listed there
[02:52] <agwibowo> m00se: how to set up the action?
[02:52] <m00se> Agrajag, at the bottom of the event editing window you have alarm checkbox and customize button
[02:53] <shampoo> Hi everyone
[02:53] <agwibowo> ah i know
[02:53] <agwibowo> thx!
[02:53] <seadog> baluba, someone in translators list suggested that to fill bug reports but I've read in the wiki I think that bugzilla shouldn't be used for package requests.
[02:53] <shampoo> anyone know if a image viewer that can do a slideshow with fade in and fade outs ?
[02:53] <m00se> click the button and add an action selecting play a sound type
[02:54] <seadog> baluba, I haven't found any howto either.  I' ve asked the some question in developers list and I didn't get an answer
[02:58] <agwibowo> hmmm
[02:58] <agwibowo> evolution doesn't seem to play the mp3 song i want
[02:58] <RubenV> decode it to wave
[02:58] <baluba> seadog, in some projects bug submitting are used for a broad range of needs, well beside bug resolutions. here i don't know, so keep investigating
[02:59] <RubenV> or hack gstreamer support into evo ;)
[02:59] <agwibowo> how to decode to wave?
[02:59] <m00se> agwibowo, or change action type to 'run a program' and use mpg321 with path to your mp3 as an argument
[03:00] <m00se> or any other mp3 player
[03:00] <nab_> hi
[03:00] <Neill> hi. I'm having problems getting xforwarding to work over ssh
[03:00] <Neill> both ends are ubuntu....
[03:01] <Neill> I'm getting cannot connect to display errors.
[03:02] <pmisch> hallo
[03:04] <agwibowo> any command line mp3 player?
[03:04] <iminj> Anyone know where I can find support to configure mozplugger? Their website isn't very informative
[03:05] <agwibowo> does anyone know any command line mp3 player?
[03:05] <m00se> mpg321
[03:07] <kristjan> what is the equivalent command to fedora's 'service' in ubuntu?
[03:07] <iminj> Anyone here ever tackled "mozpluggerrc" .. to configure multimedia streams via mozilla or firefox?
[03:08] <oneste1> hi... just installed ubuntu and have a question
[03:08] <seadog> baluba, ok
[03:08] <iminj> I'll try again later .. thanks everyone.
[03:09] <agwibowo> hehehe
[03:09] <agwibowo> that's it
[03:09] <agwibowo> alarm based on crontab
[03:09] <agwibowo> :P
[03:09] <agwibowo> simple
[03:10] <agwibowo> thx everyone, and good night!
[03:11] <oneste1> how do i add a screen resolution to the selection shown in "change screen preferences"
[03:13] <oneste1> can anyone here help me with configuration questions?
[03:15] <kristjan> is there a command to start-stop-restart services in /etc/init.d in ubuntu?
[03:16] <baluba> that's one thing i hate, people asking and leaving immediatly after
[03:16] <m00se> /etc/init.d <service> start|stop|restart
[03:16] <m00se> i mean /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|restart
[03:16] <kristjan> m00se: :) i posed a stupid question...
[03:17] <kristjan> how can I connect to a wireless net, that uses 128-bit WEP?
[03:19] <kristjan> m00se: i could probably make an alias to that to have fedora's "service" cmd..
[03:21] <nab_> i wanna make Firefix to make a PDF file when printing but the only printer device i get listed in firefox is PostScript/default.  In texteditor i can print to pdf :(
[03:21] <nab_> *Firefox
[03:21] <m00se> kristjan, probably, what does this service command actualy do?
[03:22] <kristjan> m00se: instead of typing /etc/init.d ...... you just type service <service> start|stop....
[03:22] <ermo> Damn. The default ubuntu setup is just _awesome_. Just fired up emacs just to try it. And lo and behold, it was the gtk version. And setting the options I wanted was a breeze. *bows in gratitude*
[03:22] <baluba> nab_, print a ps and then ps2pdf
[03:23] <nab_> baluba, ill keep that in mind as last resort, thanks
[03:23] <m00se> kristjan, so a trivial shell script will do
[03:23] <m00se> like /etc/init.d/$1 $2 :)
[03:23] <kristjan> m00se: yes.
[03:24] <m00se> ermo, no default setup sucks because it doesn't include vim-gtk :D
[03:25] <ermo> m00se, I see :) And it's not installable in main?
[03:25] <ermo> s/in/from/
[03:25] <m00se> it's installable, but not installed by default
[03:30] <Shadow2> ubuntu warty setup is giving me errors when adding a user, problem being the error flashes up too quick. Any ideas?
[03:31] <Shadow2> ah i can read "group <username> does not exist"
[03:34] <usual> hi
[03:35] <ivar> q: is it possible to add a repository to synaptic but use it for a limited subset of packages ?
[03:36] <ivar> ie: I'd like to install http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/jsvc
[03:36] <ivar> but I don't want to mess anything else up..
[03:37] <cardador> ivar: add it, install what you need, then remove it
[03:38] <ivar> cardador, but that means foregoing any updates right ?
[03:39] <Matt|> hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?
[03:39] <cardador> ivar: dont know what foregoing is, im not a native english speaker :)
[03:39] <Matt|> cardador, giving up
[03:39] <cardador> oh, thanks Matt|
[03:39] <ivar> cardador, to abandon :)
[03:39] <Matt|> rinunciare
[03:39] <Matt|> renounce
[03:40] <cardador> ivar: add it to the repositories, press reload, install it, then take it out of the repository
[03:40] <Matt|> anyone help with that xorg problem?
[03:42] <ivar> cardador, ok.. thanks ;)
[03:44] <Shadow2> i'm getting the error "groupdel: group <username> does not exist" when i go to add a user during ubuntu warty install (after reboot)
[03:44] <adnans> hmm, why does ubuntu wait for the networking config during bootup?? I don't have any weird NFS like structures, just me laptop?!
[03:44] <ermo> ivar, that's a pretty advanced operation (behind the scenes) however.
[03:45] <ermo> ivar, so you'd have to make sure that required ubuntu packages are not forced off your system.
[03:45] <ivar> ermo, yeah, it's appearing that way
[03:45] <ermo> ivar, have you considered installing it in /usr/local instead?
[03:45] <ivar> it doesn't even appear to be installable
[03:45] <ivar> ermo, yeah.. i'm thinking a local install would be best...
[03:46] <ermo> ivar, I know it sounds dumb, but in that way, you could make it depend on the proper ubuntu/debian packages. Plus, there exist a util (also apt-gettable from universe) to manage /usr/local installs
[03:46] <ermo> exists, even. Can't remember it's name but I've looked at i briefly before.
[03:47] <ivar> ermo, what's it called..
[03:47] <ivar> ?
[03:47] <ivar> ah
[03:47] <ermo> ivar, beats make uninstall, that's for sure.
[03:47] <ermo> its' name even.
[03:47] <ermo> darn.-
[03:47] <ermo> ivar, in a sense, we all are.
[03:48] <ermo> ivar, I did, at one point, experiment with using apt.conf to tightly control access to debian unstable (I wanted samba 3.0pre packages)
[03:48] <ermo> ivar, so it's doable if you're careful and don't mind reading through the apt documentation.
[03:49] <ivar> ermo, it looks like my efforts are futile anyway.. i've got x86 and it appears they've only got a powerpc version
[03:50] <ermo> ivar, when you install something, you'd have to append an apt-get -u <whatever> to specify that you want packages from your non-standard repo. If you couple that with clever pinning, it's doable.
[03:50] <ermo> ivar, but I'd advise against testing the solution on a production system ;)
[03:51] <ermo> ivar, is it binary only?
[03:51] <ivar> ermo, at this point no one should let me near a prod system..
[03:51] <ermo> ivar, hehe
[03:51] <ivar> ermo, i'm not totally sure - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/jsvc
[03:52] <ivar> ermo, looks like it
[03:52] <Matt|> hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?
[03:53] <ermo> ivar, <quote>This is a part of the Apache Jakarta Project.</quote>
[03:53] <Gwildor> i have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?
[03:53] <Shadow2> hrm.. i think i figured my problem
[03:54] <ermo> ivar, <quote>This package was debianized by Arnaud Vandyck <avdyk@debian.org> on
[03:54] <ermo> Sam, 09 Oct 2004 17:46:48 +0200</quote>
[03:54] <Friczy> re
[03:54] <ermo> ivar, so maybe all you need to do is to get a hold of the deb-src and compile it for x86.
[03:55] <ermo> ivar, if so, you also get complete control over dependencies and can make your own, local ubuntunized jsvc package.
[03:55] <ermo> ivar, assuming, of course, that you harbor an adventurous spirit ;)
[03:55] <Shadow2> i love it when an idiot problem is solved by the idiot that managed it (me)
[03:56] <ivar> ermo, i guess we'll see..
[03:56] <ermo> Shadow2, are you familiar with the term 'teddy'? It's when you sit down and talk it over with your teddy bear and try to explain the problem. It works wonders as you can see.
[03:56] <melanie> how can i install mod_mono?
[03:57] <Shadow2> hehe i think i might need one :)
[03:57] <ermo> Shadow2, in this case 'teddy' was #ubuntu.
[03:57] <ermo> Shadow2, which, IMO, is absolutely fine.
[03:57] <Gwildor> i have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?
[03:58] <Mitario> hello evereyone
[03:58] <Mitario> anybody using vnc with gnome/vino and windows realvnc/tightvnc?
[04:00] <Talliesin> ermo, Shadow2, there's actually a teddybot on freenode for just that purpose.
[04:01] <ermo> Talliesin, really? Cute. in #teddybot?
[04:01] <Shadow2> hehe
[04:01] <Talliesin> in #swhack, but you can msg it directly.
[04:01] <Talliesin> see http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/teddybot
[04:01] <ermo> Talliesin, roger. Thanks.
[04:02] <Talliesin> We find it useful, has solved many of my problems.
[04:02] <ermo> Talliesin, we as in 'us server ops'?
[04:02] <Talliesin> I wish!
[04:02] <Talliesin> Us as in regulars in #swhack, where teddybot lives
[04:03] <ermo> Talliesin, knowing from experience the denizens of freenode, I get the feeling that being a freenode op is not all good n dandy...
[04:03] <Matt|> hiya. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution?
[04:04] <Talliesin> Knowing from experience the denizens of quakenet, undernet and dalnet, it could be a lot worse ;)
[04:04] <ermo> Talliesin, point taken :D
[04:06] <will> waht did you say Teddybot: ?
[04:10] <kristjan> anybody here with little wireless lan experience?
[04:11] <Gwildor> just ask your question
[04:18] <paul__> I just installed Ubuntu and feel rather last as I have no idea how to su to root as I do not know the password.  I sure cannot recall setting a password for root?  Any idea?
[04:18] <Hitch-Hiker> You dont in ubuntu
[04:18] <plasmo> theres no root enabled by default
[04:18] <Hitch-Hiker> the first user u set up is an admin one
[04:18] <Mitario> anybody knows why when workinig rmote via vnc and vino i cant insert capital lettrs ini gnome apps but 'xev' shows them to me fine
[04:18] <Hitch-Hiker> sudo <command>
[04:18] <melanie> synaptic icon disappeared after hoary update. how can i get it back?
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> it'll ask for the admin password
[04:19] <paul__> but I am not able to make changes to my net config?
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> which is the pw for the first user you set up
[04:19] <m00se> paul__, by default you use sudo to run commands as root or sudo -c to get root shell
[04:19] <m00se> you can run sudo passwd to set password for root
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> whenever a window pops up for a password i.e. synaptic
[04:19] <m00se> and then use su
[04:19] <Hitch-Hiker> use the first user pw
[04:22] <Gwildor> i have a desktop, since upgrading to hoary, i lost sound in ET, i installed ET under warty, can anyone help?
[04:22] <Gwildor> last time i ask....promise
[04:22] <usual> et?
[04:22] <plasmo> mmmm try this. not sure if itll work
[04:22] <Juerd> ET phone h... nah, not funny.
[04:22] <plasmo> killall esd
[04:23] <plasmo> lol
[04:23] <Gwildor> enemy territory, first person shooter
[04:23] <m00se> ET == enemy territory?
[04:23] <Hitch-Hiker> whats et short for?
[04:23] <usual> oh
[04:23] <Gwildor> video game
[04:23] <m00se> Gwildor, then kill esd
[04:23] <Hitch-Hiker> he's got little legs  :)
[04:23] <Gwildor> moose, ?
[04:23] <plasmo> D:
[04:23] <paul__> sorry, but I am rather confused now.  I cannot sudo because it asks me for a password I do not know an pw does not work as password.  How do I set the root password?
[04:23] <plasmo> killall esd
[04:23] <Hitch-Hiker> it wants your paswsword
[04:23] <Gwildor> paul__,  use your user password
[04:23] <usual> paul__, it wants the password for the use
[04:23] <Gwildor> paul__, what you log in with
[04:23] <usual> ruser
[04:23] <usual> bah i can't type
[04:24] <Gwildor> moose, or whoever, killall esd, what is that gonna do?, and what do i do after that?
[04:24] <plasmo> probli esd is using your sound
[04:24] <Hitch-Hiker> it kills the esound daemon
[04:25] <Gwildor> let me post the message that et gives me, see if you still think that killall esd will work
[04:25] <paul__> OK, got it. Thanks.
[04:26] <plasmo> :)
[04:26] <Gwildor> ------- sound initialization -------
[04:26] <Gwildor> /dev/dsp: Input/output error
[04:26] <Gwildor> Could not mmap /dev/dsp
[04:26] <Gwildor> ------------------------------------
[04:26] <Gwildor> still think i need too  killall esd
[04:26] <Hitch-Hiker> I get that with UT2004
[04:26] <plasmo> yes
[04:27] <Hitch-Hiker> and Mplayer
[04:27] <Gwildor> plasmo, every time i play?
[04:27] <plasmo> u could
[04:27] <plasmo> to turn it off . go to computer > desk perf > sound . untick sound server
[04:27] <Gwildor> do i need it?, what exactly did i just disable?
[04:28] <plasmo> disables system sounds like clicking noises and stuff :s
[04:28] <Gwildor> good
[04:28] <Gwildor> hehe
[04:28] <plasmo> ;)
[04:28] <Gwildor> now i have another question, since i browsed thru ET messages
[04:29] <Gwildor> im in hoary, and XORG, but the messages that ET spits point to Xfree
[04:29] <aaroncuk> is hoary as stable as warty??
[04:29] <Gwildor> eww, and my vid card is set to axp 1x, gonna have to fix that
[04:30] <paul__> OK, next question.  For some reason my screen res is 840x600 and I cannot set it using the GUI tool to 1024xwhatever 'cause 800x640 is the highest res option.  Is there a way to do this via the GUI or should I do it from the shell somehow?
[04:30] <Gwildor> aaroncuk, im not having to many terrible problems, just slight, and im a newb, so i cant fix on my own
[04:30] <topyli> aaroncuk: not really. most notably, evolution is broken
[04:30] <Gwildor> really, i dont use it anyways
[04:30] <aaroncuk> hmm best stick to warty for now lol
[04:31] <will> say i want to complie a program, do i simply type make in its dir? are there any special switches i need?
[04:31] <plasmo> paul: sudo gedit/etc/X11/XF86Config-4.conf or xorg.conf
[04:31] <Phr0stByte> will: ./configure > make > sudo make install
[04:32] <plasmo> apt-get install checkinstall :)
[04:32] <Gwildor> umm, xorg.conf is empty, but ogra told me i was using xorg, was he wrong?
[04:33] <riz> Can everyone who uses firefox confirm it supposed to take up about 100MB memory even with 1 tab open?
[04:33] <riz> coz that sucks
[04:33] <plasmo> mine says about 73mb
[04:34] <topyli> Gwildor: try 'X -version'
[04:34] <Phr0stByte> 72.8
[04:34] <riz> is there anything that can be done to minimize the memory usage?
[04:34] <aaroncuk> how do i stop X runnin by dfault, dont want it running on my server once its set up
[04:34] <riz> Ive tried disabling memory cache
[04:34] <topyli> aaroncuk: uninstall GDM
[04:35] <Gwildor> topyli, doesnt say XORG outright, but it does point me to gwildor@ubuntu:~ $ X -version for problems
[04:35] <Gwildor> opps, copied wrong thing
[04:35] <riz> Just checked mine is 87.5MB when I start it with 1 tab, its still a lot of memory
[04:35] <usual> is ubuntuforums down?
[04:35] <riz> yeah
[04:35] <Gwildor> topyli, http://wiki.X.Org for problems
[04:35] <usual> k
[04:36] <usual> anyone know a url for a human xmms theme
[04:36] <topyli> Gwildor: ok, i don't think xfree would give that advice :)
[04:36] <Phr0stByte> Heya LinuxJones
[04:36] (mir/#ubuntu) Anyone knows when Mozilla FF 1.0 will be released in Ubuntu??.. Do I have to w8 for Hoary ?
[04:37] <Gwildor> topyli, but my xorg.conf is empty, less i used the wrong path, can you toss the correct path for xorg.conf?
[04:37] <riz> yeah you have to wait for Hoary
[04:37] <Gwildor> mir,  hoary
[04:37] <plasmo> ff 1.0 wont be released in warty
[04:37] <riz> but you can update your repository
[04:37] <Phr0stByte> mir: I dont think it matters, being that you can update it from the application...
[04:37] <topyli> Gwildor: no, this is a warty box
[04:37] <riz> to get the new version
[04:37] <Gwildor> mir,  after a release, all new stuff goes to next release
[04:37] <Gwildor> topyli, kk
[04:37] <aaroncuk> whats python newt... my ubuntu installation is stuck on 'setting up python-newt'
[04:37] <Gwildor> anyone know the correct path to xorg.conf?
[04:37] <riz> or download it from www.mozilla.org
[04:37] (mir/#ubuntu) Ok.. Anyone running hoary here?..
[04:37] <will> Phr0stByte: is that the complete command(all 1 command?)
[04:38] <plasmo> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:38] <Gwildor> mir, i am
[04:38] <Gwildor> plasmo, thnx
[04:38] <aaroncuk> the cursor is flashing but its not doing alot
[04:38] <Phr0stByte> will: no
[04:38] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: Any serious problems ?
[04:38] <Phr0stByte> will: three seperate commands
[04:38] <Gwildor> mir, evolution is broke
[04:38] <Gwildor> topyli, i fibbed, its not empty :)
[04:38] <kensai> is ubuntuforums.org down?
[04:39] <riz> Gwildor,  is that it? Does'nt it like screw up everything, like X sever?
[04:39] <topyli> Gwildor: found the real file now?
[04:39] <Gwildor> mir,  thats about it, that i can find, but im a newb
[04:39] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: I can live with for a couple of weeks
[04:39] <Gwildor> riz, nope
[04:39] <Gwildor> riz, didnt for me
[04:39] <Matt|> evolution works fine here
[04:39] <riz> hmm
[04:39] <plasmo> yeah i think the forums is down
[04:39] <Gwildor> topyli, yup, got the REAL file
[04:39] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: Maybee I should try it.. Anyone else with experiance from Hoary?....
[04:39] <will> Phr0stByte: whats a good c complier?
[04:40] <Matt|> mir, yeah it's fine
[04:40] <tom`> I have a monitor that squeals when under X (but not when sleeping or when at a console). Any chance fiddling with XF86Config could fix this? (the squealing seems to have started since moving from debian sid to ubuntu)
[04:40] <topyli> riz: it works right now except for evo, but you never know what will break tomorrow :)
[04:40] <plasmo> just apt-get install build-essential
[04:40] <Phr0stByte> will: g++
[04:40] <RubenV> will: gcc ;)
[04:40] <plasmo> all the stuff u need for compiling
[04:40] <Phr0stByte> gcc
[04:40] <Matt|> what's all this about evolution? it's working fine
[04:40] <riz> topyli, ah ok, I thought I read in the forums of people updating and having to install Warty again
[04:40] <Gwildor> mir, i dont use evolution, so i dont mind, and sed was broken a few days ago, but fixed quickly
[04:40] <Matt|> Gwildor, goddammit evolution is working fine
[04:41] <Gwildor> riz, only time i have to re-install is when i try the binarydrive wiki howto
[04:41] <topyli> riz: depends on what qualifies as "broken" for you
[04:41] (mir/#ubuntu) Gwildor: I will give it a try.... Thanks
[04:41] <Gwildor> Matt|, i didnt know, someone else said that a bit ago, i dont use it, was just relaying info
[04:41] <Matt|> Gwildor, no it's fine
[04:41] <riz> gwildor, topyli: is there a performance increase? Or significant advantages in upgrading?
[04:41] <Gwildor> Matt|, hoary?, i will maek a note to tell ppl when they ask
[04:42] <Matt|> riz, not really. The advantages are that you get recent packages
[04:42] <will> what has happened to Evolution in hoary?
[04:42] <Matt|> will, nothing it's fine
[04:42] <will> works 4 me!
[04:42] <Matt|> will, just the rumour mongerers ;)
[04:42] <topyli> riz: i'll upgrade my production boxen only once gnome is stable. otherwise i don't care really
[04:42] <will> ic
[04:42] <Gwildor> riz, i lost a few fps, but im too scared to mees with X to fix it
[04:42] <Phr0stByte> topyli: here here!
[04:43] <riz> ah ok, when will suport and new packages for warty be dropped completly?
[04:43] <ermo> Matt|, is evo still in C in hoary?
[04:43] <topyli> will: evolution crashes sometimes. and imap is b0rken too. or that was the situation when i downgraded :)
[04:43] <Gwildor> riz, 18 months?, or is that just security?
[04:43] <Matt|> ermo, huh?
[04:43] <will> this ./configure is taking ages!
[04:43] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) riz: 18 months for security, new pakages etc arent done at all now and all work goes on in hoary
[04:44] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) will: alo tof them do
[04:44] <plasmo> will : lol
[04:44] <riz> Gwildor, I meant generally, as in all update, security and tohers
[04:44] <riz> *others
[04:44] <paul__> I am unable to find xorg.config or any config files in X11 where I can set my screen res!? Any ideas
[04:44] <will> so is ./configure related to the dir im in?
[04:44] <Gwildor> riz, seems that only security updates for warty now, everything else goes in hoary
[04:44] <plasmo> probli you are running xfree86 then
[04:44] <will> and what does it do???
[04:44] <ermo> Matt|, nevermind. I was referring to the fact that evo will be ported to C#/Mono in due time.
[04:44] <plasmo> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[04:44] <Matt|> ermo, you have to ask the developers about that
[04:45] <ermo> Matt|, roger.
[04:45] <riz> cool, thanks for your help everybody! bye, ps Ubuntu rocks!
[04:45] <topyli> riz: in 18 months from warty release, you must upgrade
[04:45] <riz> topyli, as in a forced upgrade?
[04:45] <topyli> yes. no more bux fixes
[04:45] <plasmo> no more support :)
[04:45] <riz> makes sense
[04:45] <topyli> bug even
[04:46] <Gwildor> topyli, riz, dont have too, just that is the end of the line for warty
[04:46] <topyli> Gwildor: of course, you can continue patching packages yourself :)
[04:47] <Gwildor> topyli, yes, i just wanted riz to be clear that he doesnt HAVE to , as in he is not being forced, he has a choice
[04:47] <topyli> Gwildor: sure. it's hadrer to keep patching windows 95 than an old linux distro =)
[04:48] <topyli> harder that is
[04:49] <ermo> topyli, and a lot more pointless.
[04:49] <paul__> OK, I am still lost with the sreen res.  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 lsit all the relevant screen resolution options and it is not clear where I should change anything yet the GUI tool only gives me an option between 800x600 and 640x480?
[04:50] <Gwildor> topyli, i understand, just wanted riz to be clear
[04:50] <Gwildor> topyli, he asked FORCED UPGRADE, and you said YES, but its not really forced
[04:50] <Gwildor> :)
[04:50] <Gwildor> all done
[04:50] <topyli> Gwildor: sure. there's no quarrel here, we're nitpicking really :)
[04:51] <Gwildor> topyli, good, i hate to feel like im arguing :)
[04:51] <aaroncuk>  grr trying to reinstall ubuntu and its stcuk on the setting up python-newt line.. cursor is bliking but it aint doing anything
[04:51] <plasmo> add in other resolutions "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" etc
[04:52] <topyli> Gwildor: hehe. me too, particularly whan i'm supposedly not :)
[04:52] <Gwildor> topyli, exaclty, i didnt think we were, but i dint want you too
[04:52] <plasmo> aaroncuk : maybe a corupt cd :/
[04:53] <aaroncuk> ive installed ok from it before.. its got past the main install its just installing all the files that its downloaded
[04:53] <topyli> Gwildor: we're so friendly it
[04:53] <Gwildor> hehe
[04:53] <topyli> 's sickening =)
[04:53] <Gwildor> lol
[04:54] <Gwildor> aaroncuk, is it a downloaded file, or was that on the disk?, maybe hter is a dirty spot on the disk
[04:55] <aaroncuk> eek! i dont want to install it again lol!
[04:55] <Gwildor> hahaha
[04:55] <Gwildor> im on #5
[04:55] <aaroncuk> this will be 3 today lol
[04:55] <Gwildor> rolf
[04:55] <polytan> hello
[04:55] <Gwildor> what do you do to break your install?
[04:55] <Gwildor> hi hi
[04:56] <tost> hello guys, i wanted to install ubuntu linux...
[04:56] <Gwildor> tost, do it
[04:56] <plasmo> do it.. do it..
[04:56] <tost> yeah but i need any informations about it...
[04:56] <Gwildor> ask away
[04:56] <Gwildor> were all friends here
[04:56] <tost> yeah great community i see
[04:57] <Gwildor> i guess you could start at www.ubuntu.com, bring any further questions here
[04:57] <tost> i need a good faq (maybe in german) or is this in topic really good ?
[04:57] <plasmo> ahhh german
[04:57] <Gwildor> site is in english,
[04:57] <tost> i have no idea, what ubuntu is , so i need some help ;-)
[04:57] <plasmo> www.ubuntuusers.de/ for you germans out there
[04:58] <Gwildor> there you go
[04:58] <tost> ah thx plasmo
[04:58] <plasmo> ;)
[04:58] <tost> whats the newest version ?
[04:58] <plasmo> warty
[04:58] <plasmo> hoary is in development
[04:58] <jysse> whats
[04:58] <Gwildor> hoary is usable though
[04:58] <jysse> typo
[04:59] <jysse> what's wrong with ubuntuforums ?
[04:59] <Gwildor> down
[04:59] <plasmo> it seems down
[04:59] <tost> ubuntu is based on debian ? am i right ?
[04:59] <plasmo> yep
[05:00] <Gwildor> they still unoficial?, or do they get conocial support now?
[05:00] <pl0vs> Gwildor, unoficial
[05:00] <Gwildor> kk
[05:00] <tost> but i hope it's easier then debian ;-)
[05:00] <plasmo> :D
[05:00] <Gwildor> maybe thats why they are down, they are moving to canocial?
[05:00] <tom`> Somehow X got fubared. I can't seem to find any useful error messages, but gdm never loads -- /etc/init.d/start gdm gets me a blank screen with the X cursor and an error message about X already running. Can anyone help?
[05:01] <topyli> Gwildor: canonical support is commercial. they don't want to bother with forums i guess
[05:01] <plasmo> mmm
[05:01] <Gwildor> tost, only my second distro, its great, been with linux for about 2 monnths
[05:01] <topyli> tost: ubuntu is dead easy
[05:01] <tost> ah ok, i use mdk, and i wanted to install ubuntu on another partition
[05:01] <Gwildor> tost, go for it
[05:02] <Phr0stByte> tost: I am a 4 year Mandrake user and am quite happy with Ubuntu
[05:02] <Gwildor> tost, must say though, im not leaving
[05:02] <tost> yeah yeah keep cool, i'll test it of course
[05:02] <plasmo> im pretty new to linux. about half a year now
[05:02] <plasmo> ubuntu seems good :)
[05:03] <ermo> plasmo, it not only *seems* good. It *is* good. (I'm on my ... oh dear ... 6th year?)
[05:03] <tost> Phr0stByte, i wanted to be a club-member, but i doesn't earn lots of money ;-)
[05:03] <Gwildor> ermo, getting up there?
[05:03] <tom`> plasmo: Yep, it took me over a week to fubar my ubuntu system, which is better than what I'd do with most :)
[05:03] <topyli> tost: i've used mandrake myself since about 7.0
[05:03] <Phr0stByte> tost: Heh
[05:03] <ermo> Gwildor, apparently...
[05:03] <plasmo> lol
[05:04] <plasmo> yeah i started out with some live cd distro. then with suse 9.1 . now into ubuntu
[05:04] <tost> what kernel and kde did it use ?
[05:04] <topyli> tost: then again, i've used debian for a long time too so i don't really know what a mandrake -> ubuntu transition feels like
[05:04] <ermo> guess that means I have a habit. And I once swore to me mum that I'd never get hooked. Oh blimey.
[05:04] <tost> keep cool i install ubuntu of course ^^
[05:05] <tom`> yellowdog (redhatish) -> debian -> ubuntu for me. which means ubuntu basically feels to me like debian-done-right.
[05:05] <topyli> tost: kernel i don't remember. i guess we had 2.2 already. kde was 1.2 iirc
[05:05] <ermo> tom`, more like 'debian with a sense of direction'. Debian _is_ done right.
[05:05] <Gwildor> tost, i dont have kde installed so i cant say the version, and im on hoary, gnome is default
[05:05] <Hitch-Hiker> I thought Suse 9.1 was quite good for a newbie, just a bit of a Fisher Price feel though
[05:05] <tost>  warty-release-install-i386.iso            20-Oct-2004 01:35  523M             <--- this one ?
[05:06] <Gwildor> yup
[05:06] <Tomcat_> which means ubuntu basically feels to me like debian-done-right. <--- my words :)
[05:06] <nonajme> slackware -> gentoo -> debian -> gentoo -> ubuntu for me
[05:06] <topyli> Gwildor: i think he's asking about the kde in mandrake 7.0 :)
[05:06] <Phr0stByte> Hitch-Hiker: nice description!
[05:06] <Gwildor> hitch-hikerm thats why i can to ubuntu, i wanted something easy to learn on, but something that i could feel happy with forever
[05:07] <Hitch-Hiker> Thx :)
[05:07] <Gwildor> topyli, oh,.......sorry
[05:07] <Hitch-Hiker> Yep, same here
[05:07] <Hitch-Hiker> Really like ubuntu
[05:08] <Hitch-Hiker> I've ugraded my repsositories to hoary
[05:08] <tost> can i install the deb pakets from debian ?
[05:08] <Phr0stByte> tost: My job payed for it
[05:08] <Hitch-Hiker> and updated
[05:08] <Karnaugh> tost: yes of course..
[05:08] <topyli> u-BUN-tooo! we're quite a sweet bunch of fanboys aren't we :)
[05:08] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:09] <Karnaugh> tost: ooh-boon-to actualy
[05:09] <m00se> Karnaugh, not 'of course', sometimes debian packages won't work
[05:09] <plasmo> oh i thought it was U BUN Toe
[05:09] <Karnaugh> m00se: why not?
[05:09] <tom`> I tried to update firefox because it was crashing a goodbit. I believe that's what fubared my X. I'm not trying a massive downgrade of everything back to warty. After all, I went from sid to ubuntu so I could have a semblance of stability.
[05:09] <onestep> hi... just installed to HD . Sound doesn't work, screen resolution doesn't give option of 1024x768, and my 'other' partition hde1 isn't displayed and won't mount. Any help would be appreciated!
[05:09] <Karnaugh> plasmo: nope
[05:09] <tom`> ~s/not/now/
[05:10] <m00se> because some libs can have different versions in ubuntu and in debian
[05:10] <Hitch-Hiker> onestep: son't panic, it's all fixable  . . .  .. just not by me :(
[05:10] <Karnaugh> m00se: dpkg should resolve that
[05:10] <tost> but i can't imagine that the .iso is just 500mb big
[05:11] <onestep> I'm a linux NOOB so it's all beyond me too!
[05:11] <m00se> Karnaugh, lets say you want package foo from debian which depends on libbar
[05:11] <usual> was the gnome screenshot app removed from hoary
[05:11] <usual> or is it a bug
[05:11] <onestep> It all worked soooooooooooo well on the Live disc
[05:11] <m00se> but debian has libbar 1.0 and ubuntu 0.9, chances are foo won't work
[05:11] <Hitch-Hiker> Hange around here and your problems will be answered . . . sometime
[05:11] <plasmo> its move in gnome util or something. itll be fixed soon i guess
[05:11] <usual> k
[05:12] <Karnaugh> m00se: err, so update libbar?
[05:12] <Hitch-Hiker> Onestep: have you installed Grub to HDA1?
[05:12] <onestep> Well I hope so, I really don't want to do another 2 hour install! ...lol
[05:12] <plasmo> lol
[05:12] <m00se> karakth, but then you'll need libbar from debian, and it may need some other libs from debian too
[05:12] <Karnaugh> m00se: are you telling me that Ubuntu has its own separate apt mirror?
[05:12] <flodin> where can I browse the packages available in ubuntu?
[05:12] <Gwildor> yup
[05:12] <onestep> grub installed on MBR
[05:12] <Karnaugh> m00se: with its own package maintainers and everything?
[05:12] <plasmo> well kinda
[05:13] <m00se> s/karakth/Karnaugh
[05:13] <topyli> tost: ubuntu is a compact system by default. hence, no cds 2-7
[05:13] <m00se> Karnaugh, yes
[05:13] <Karnaugh> m00se: why?
[05:13] <Hitch-Hiker> Ok, I'm assuming you have a dual partition with windows
[05:13] <m00se> hoary is more or less tracking debian versions
[05:13] <onestep> Yes I do
[05:13] <Hitch-Hiker> and your in ubuntu now
[05:13] <tost> topyli, yeah but 500mb is not so much
[05:13] <tom`> onestep: To see if ubuntu saw your harddrive, you might try dmesg | grep 'hd[a-z] ' and see what shows up.
[05:13] <m00se> Karnaugh, because Ubunto is not Debian :)
[05:13] <onestep> yes i'm in ubuntu
[05:13] <Karnaugh> m00se: its heavily based on it isnt it?
[05:14] <m00se> it is
[05:14] <m00se> but it's not identical
[05:14] <Hitch-Hiker> get a console up and type sudo fdisk -l
[05:14] <Karnaugh> so what exactly is different?
[05:14] <Karnaugh> that would effect a package
[05:14] <topyli> tost: hmm. base system, X, gnome, openoffice, firefox. no games. do the math :)
[05:14] <m00se> Karnaugh, depends on the package
[05:14] <Karnaugh> rather a waste to track the debian mirrors, why not just make it cross compatible
[05:14] <m00se> some ubuntu packages have ubuntu specific patches applied, others don't
[05:15] <tost> ubuntu use gnome ?
[05:15] <plasmo> toat: yes
[05:15] <m00se> Karnaugh, but then ubuntu would be debian so it would be pointless
[05:15] <Karnaugh> tost: no, its teh default, feel free to remove it and use what you like
[05:15] <Karnaugh> m00se: exactly
[05:15] <topyli> Karnaugh: it's what they support though
[05:15] <onestep> oh-k
[05:16] <m00se> Karnaugh, i had this problem with warty
[05:16] <tost> Karnaugh, ah ok .
[05:16] <m00se> i installed galeon form debian
[05:16] <topyli> m00se: why
[05:16] <topyli> ?
[05:16] <m00se> but then new version of galeon entered debian, but it was compiled against newer version of mozilla which wasn't avaialable in ubuntu
[05:17] <plasmo> sleep time ^^;'
[05:17] <Karnaugh> m00se: and what stoped you from updating mozilla from the debian packages?
[05:17] <flodin> what is the current version of gnome in ubuntu?
[05:18] <m00se> Karnaugh, i was iafraid it'll break something
[05:18] <topyli> 2.8.1
[05:18] <m00se> some other mozilla deps
[05:18] <flodin> goodie
[05:18] <onestep> I see hde1 listed, but not sure what to do with info
[05:18] <Hitch-Hiker> onestep: when you boot up, does grub give you an option to boot to windows?
[05:18] <onestep> yes i get option to boot into windows
[05:18] <m00se> brb
[05:18] <Hitch-Hiker> but it doesn't work?
[05:19] <aaroncuk> ok its jammed again!! not good
[05:19] <onestep> i can boot into windows. that not the problem. from ubuntu i can't access the windows partition
[05:19] <Hitch-Hiker> Ah!
[05:19] <Hitch-Hiker> thats not such a problem
[05:19] <tost> now i download the 500mb file with wget
[05:19] <onestep> hard tell'in, not know'in !
[05:19] <aaroncuk> does ubuntu totally format the drive on install.. could it be something from a previous install causing my system to just stop installing?
[05:20] <melanie> my synaptic icon disappeared. how can i get it back?
[05:20] <tom`> onestep: What format is your windows partition?
[05:21] <onestep> fat 32
[05:21] <Xamusk> hello there
[05:22] <Xamusk> do you know which one is the most updated right now: ubuntu live or gnoppix?
[05:22] <Hitch-Hiker> just need to edit the /etc/fstab file
[05:22] <onestep> with the live cd i was able to access the windows partition, but with hardrive install i can't
[05:23] <melanie> Xamusk: take a look at distrowatch.com
[05:23] <Hitch-Hiker> so your windows partition is hde1
[05:23] <tom`> onestep: Have you tried something like... sudo /mnt/fat32 followed by sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/hde1 /mnt/fat32 (where X is the partition number of your windows partition)
[05:23] <onestep> yes windows is hde1
[05:23] <topyli> Xamusk: what do you want to be up to date? gnome?
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> tom: would that add it to fstab too?
[05:24] <tom`> Hitch-Hiker: No -- that would let him know if it works. Then I'd add it to fstab :)
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> OKie dokie
[05:24] <onestep> tom: i tried mount /dev/ hde1 /mnt/hdei
[05:24] <tom`> onestep: What happened?
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> you need to create a directory first
[05:24] <eruin> cursed be my inet connection
[05:24] <Hitch-Hiker> to mount over
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> mkdir .mnt/hde1
[05:25] <Karnaugh> m00se: I see now, sorry.
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> oops
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> mkdir /mnt/hde1
[05:25] <onestep> hitch ihike: i'l;l try that
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> then mount it
[05:25] <Hitch-Hiker> as tom said
[05:26] <Xamusk> topyli: things in general... cause both are already using gnome 2.8... I'd like xorg too
[05:26] <Xamusk> it's a pity none have blender installed
[05:26] <tom`> Hitch-Hiker: So is ubuntu supposed to do all this automagically? I notice it can magically handle my memory sticks... but for my zip drive, I had to add an fstab entry. Perhaps the same goes for windows?
[05:27] <the_one> hi
[05:27] <tom`> ~s/windows/windows/partition/
[05:27] <topyli> Xamusk: dunno. ubuntu is probably the better desktop, with more packages available
[05:27] <the_one> I have a big problem with my desktop
[05:27] <Hitch-Hiker> different distos handle it differently ;)
[05:27] <tom`> the_one: explain...
[05:27] <eim> Anyone in here using Ubuntu GNU/Linux on server systems? I'm considering Warty as a replacement for Woody.
[05:27] <Xamusk> I'm using debian sid right now... I wanted a good live-cd to use in my vacation
[05:28] <the_one> when I login it says that it has detected a panel running, and it doesn't show the gnome panels anymore
[05:28] <the_one> luckilly I had some shorcuts to xchat on the desktop
[05:29] <Xamusk> what? ubuntu uses xorg?
[05:29] <the_one> I just changed some safe settings in gconf after installing some new themes..
[05:29] <the_one> how do I force the panels to appear
[05:29] <the_one> ?
[05:30] <the_one> anyone?
[05:30] <Xamusk> does ubuntu have k3b? it doesnt appear in distrowatch
[05:31] <Hitch-Hiker> The fix was to start a terminal (right click on desktop, "open terminal") and run the command "gnome-panel". They started up again fine ... I checked "Computer|Desktop Preferences|Sessions|Current Session" and scrolled down to confirm that "gnome-panel" has the Style "restart" ... so I stopped the command-line panels (by hitting ctrl-C in the terminal) and the panels vanished, and restarted happily.
[05:31] <the_one> xamusk: you can install it later, k3b is not installed by default
[05:31] <Hitch-Hiker> from the ubuntu website
[05:31] <Hitch-Hiker> on panels
[05:31] <Xamusk> the_one: and what is the default cd-burner?
[05:31] <the_one> nautilus-cd-burner
[05:32] <the_one> hitch-hiker: will try it your way..
[05:32] <Xamusk> humph
[05:32] <Hitch-Hiker> Not my way - the ubuntu way  ;o)
[05:32] <Hitch-Hiker> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-05.5471347004
[05:32] <the_one> it says: I've detected a panel already running, and will now exit
[05:32] <tom`> the_one: THat happens to me occasionally -- the panel thing. I just do a killall gnome-panel and then relogin :)
[05:33] <Hitch-Hiker> kill it
[05:33] <the_one> ok
[05:33] <the_one> where's my shotgun...
[05:33] <the_one> sudo killall
[05:33] <the_one> ?
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> killall gnome-panel
[05:34] <theine> What's the recommend way of installing real player on ubuntu?
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> with sudo probably
[05:34] <Xamusk> ok... I'm opting for ubuntu
[05:34] <the_one> ok
[05:34] <onestep> Tom / Hitch-Hiker: thanks for the mount help.. it worked! Now, how do I add this to gnomes "computer place" as an icon to mount / unmount ?
[05:34] <the_one> sudo killall gnome-panel
[05:34] <the_one> ok
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> you could mount it atomatically at boot
[05:34] <eim> mirak: And? unison works fine?
[05:34] <Xamusk> does ubuntu support pt_br, like debian?
[05:34] <Hitch-Hiker> just edit /etc/fstab
[05:34] <tom`> onestep: Add a line to fstab and it will automatically show up.
[05:35] <the_one> hey, it worked!
[05:35] <the_one> thanks
[05:35] <Hitch-Hiker> coolio
[05:35] <onestep> add hde1 to it?
[05:35] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[05:35] <the_one> btw, can this happen frequently? any idea why?
[05:35] <Hitch-Hiker> see the format of the other lines in the file
[05:35] <tom`> onestep: The easiest way is just to copy one of the preexisting lines and paste. Then change it to hde1, the mount point you want, and change ext3 to fat32
[05:35] <onestep> oh-k i'm gonna try that... THANKS!
[05:36] <tom`> the_one: I've had it happen now and again. No idea why, but i believe it's usually been after I've done an update.
[05:36] <topyli> eim: i use unison every day, no problem
[05:36] <Xamusk> bye
[05:36] <Xamusk> gonna try it
[05:36] <eim> topyli: Yes, me too. mirak just asked for such a tool before. I use unison to sync my home between my iBook and my x86 workstation.
[05:36] <the_one> thank y'all
[05:37] <Hitch-Hiker> no probs
[05:37] <topyli> eim: ah. i use it to sync the desktops of my work and home boxen
[05:37] <the_one> what a nice thing can our community be :)
[05:37] <topyli> over ssh
[05:38] <tom`> Ah -- finally. I got X back! Word to the wise -- don't try to upgrade just a few pieces to hoary. It's not pretty :)
[05:38] <the_one> see you later
[05:38] <the_one> bye
[05:38] <Hitch-Hiker> bye
[05:38] <PotajiTo> i've only updated xorg from hoary and it works nice tom`
[05:38] <eim> topyli: I'm considering to use also rsync to sync my stuff but AFAIK rsync has no support for syncing 'both-ways'.
[05:39] <tom`> PotajiTo: Well - I'm glad it worked for you :)
[05:39] <PotajiTo> what was your problem?
[05:39] <PotajiTo> i updated to xorg and then installed the nvidia drivers
[05:39] <PotajiTo> via apt
[05:39] <Hitch-Hiker> are you suppossed to reinstall the ATI graphics drivers after updating to Xorg?
[05:39] <tom`> PotajiTo: Not sure what went wrong here, but it was easier to revert than to sniff it out. X stopped starting. No useful error messages that I could find. I had just updated firefox and everything it pulled with it. Then I tried updating to Xorg to no avail.
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> how do I get more apps (like XMMS) into my new Ubuntu ?
[05:40] <Matt|> Hitch-Hiker, it depends
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> any1?
[05:40] <tom`> Vince-0_Linux: synaptic or aptitude.
[05:40] <PotajiTo> what is aptitude?
[05:40] <Hitch-Hiker> have you update your apt repositories Vince?
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> tom: its all foreign to me
[05:40] <Vince-0_Linux> Hitch-Hiker : how ?
[05:40] <Matt|> Vince-0, yeah you can use synaptic to add applications, and you need to add repositories using the "settings" menu
[05:41] <topyli> eim: i believe rsync will get confused if both ends have changes
[05:41] <eim> topyli: Yes.
[05:41] <alge> anyone using skype on ubuntu?
[05:41] <tom`> Vince-0_Linux: Synaptic Package Manager is a tool under the Computer menu that will make it all do-able through the preferences menus.
[05:41] <Vince-0_Linux> tom: I am in GNOME, i see no settings menu
[05:41] <alge> or for that matter is anyone using skype on any linux?
[05:42] <Matt|> alge, no but i've heard it works
[05:42] <PotajiTo> skype?
[05:42] <Matt|> Vince-0, do this. Go to "Computer" --> System Configuration --> Synaptic
[05:42] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt : shot son
[05:42] <alge> I guess I'm in need of help with ubuntu's sound system?
[05:42] <Matt|> Vince-0, then go to "Settings" --> Repositories and enable the universe repository.
[05:43] <Matt|> Vince-0, then click ok, and click "Reload" and then you can look for all the apps you like
[05:43] <eim> Is there a special Ubuntu PPC channel anywhere like #debian-ppc? Thanks.
[05:43] <theine> is it possible to tune helix player to play real audio and video?
[05:44] <Hitch-Hiker> Vince-0 : http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[05:44] <Hitch-Hiker> Web forums are back up
[05:44] <Vince-0_Linux> shot alot doods
[05:44] <topyli> theine: you need real player
[05:47] <eim> How can I reinstall grub? grub-install /dev/hda?
[05:49] <Vince-0_Linux> So what is this synaptic reload thing downloading ?
[05:50] <topyli> Vince-0_Linux: it does 'apt-get update'. it updates the package info so that apt knows what is available
[05:50] <melanie> how do i have to install mod_mono?
[05:50] <Vince-0_Linux> sweet
[05:53] <topyli> eim: i'm not sure but grub has names like "hd(0,0)"
[05:53] <eim> topyli: There's a grub map file which maps this to /dev/hda or else.
[05:54] <topyli> eim: ah. well, so far i've never even tried to understand grub-fu
[05:54] <eim> topyli: grub-install /dev/hda should be the solution. I've just to test it.
[05:55] <mirak> eim: I realised that unisson must be installed on both side, unfortunely I don't own the root rights on the other side (and the admin is a loser)
[05:56] <eim> mirak: You cold eventually compile it from source and install in ~/bin
[05:56] <mirak> eim: I will try to do a user install
[05:56] <mirak> yes
[05:56] <mirak> +
[05:56] <eim> mirak: As far as you're in any case only syncing user-files and user-level running unison session should suffice.
[05:56] <topyli> mirak: yes, ./configure --prefix=$HOME/lib or something
[05:56] <eim> mirak: s/and/an/
[05:57] <alge> eim-grub has a command line interface
[05:57] <eim> alge: Yes, I know.
[05:57] <alge> U can use that to replace you MBR if something like Windows trashed it
[05:58] <alge> what do u mean by re-install
[05:58] <eim> alge: ok
[05:58] <alge> update a boot menu, or re-write the MBR
[06:00] <eim> alge: Update the boot menu.
[06:00] <alge> thats much easyier
[06:00] <baluba> unrar is there in restricted?
[06:00] <melanie> how can i find out which apache server version is running?
[06:00] <alge> edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <eim> alge: Fine. Thanks.
[06:00] <alge> read the comments
[06:01] <eim> melanie: dpkg -l |grep apache
[06:01] <alge> there is an auto config setcion, only edit above or below the markers
[06:01] <topyli> baluba: either that or multiverse. i think you want unrar-nonfree (better, and more evil)
[06:01] <alge> or it'll wipe out your changes if U update your kernel
[06:01] <baluba> http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-e0e6dc9e5bd6728be5ddaf3c500b9271ccb9390a
[06:02] <baluba> topyli, i guess too
[06:02] <alge> keep in mind that u do-not have to rewright the MBR after you edit
[06:03] <alge> grub just reads the menu file on re-boot
[06:03] <alge> much better then LILO :-)
[06:03] <eim> alge: Fine. Thanks. What about software RAID support in GRUB? Can GRUB boot from /dev/md* devices?
[06:03] <melanie> eim: i have different versions. 1.3.33 and 2.0.52
[06:04] <alge> yes
[06:04] <melanie> eim: how can i get rid of the old one?
[06:04] <eim> melanie: This means you've installed booth 1.3.x and 2.0.x versions.
[06:04] <alge> grub doesnt make very many distintions for different device types, like linux
[06:04] <melanie> eim: looks like
[06:04] <AnonBlonde> hellooo everyone
[06:04] <eim> melanie: dpkg --purge apache-1.3.33 (Or similiar).
[06:05] <AnonBlonde> i want to know when where the x.org will be put for warthy-
[06:05] <mamo_> hello everybody
[06:05] <mamo_> one question:
[06:05] <alge> everything is eigther an (hd) or and (fd)
[06:05] <alge> as far as I know
[06:05] <mamo_> what are the differences between ubuntu and debian?
[06:05] <eim> AnonBlonde: AFAIK x.org is not yet available for Warty.
[06:05] <AnonBlonde> i've been updating apt-get everyday, just to see if they've replaced it
[06:05] <alge> mamo Ubuntu is a fork
[06:05] <AnonBlonde> eim: arent they replacing it
[06:06] <AnonBlonde> eim: so they can put it to repositories for the ones who want to try
[06:06] <Hitch-Hiker> AnonBlonde: it's in the new hoary release
[06:06] <AnonBlonde> or is there a way to try?
[06:06] <mamo_> do they use quite all the deb that are used in debian
[06:06] <mamo_> ?
[06:06] <gen_> yea anonblonde, if you want to "try" stuff, go hoary
[06:06] <topyli> mamo_: support, regular releases, gnome-love, randy artwork
[06:06] <alge> not bound to the same - they use there own repositories so the packeage you install can be different from the Debian one
[06:06] <mamo_> if I use ubuntu, can I use without problem all the deb package?
[06:07] <eim> AnonBlonde: Would be nice. But I think it's not yet available for Warty.
[06:07] <Hitch-Hiker> randy artwork ?  where?   :)
[06:07] <alge> they said the will releae bug - free every 6 months
[06:07] <unikum> how do i change from utf8 to iso-8859-1?
[06:07] <alge> not 2-3 years...maybee
[06:07] <topyli> mamo_: i wouldn't install glibc from debian. but some packages behave nicely. most of it is in ubuntu universe though
[06:07] <AnonBlonde> eim: actually xfree is the only thing that bugs me :) so i thought maybe, in a month or like, while they're updating packages they may also put the x.org binaries too
[06:08] <melanie> eim: i got rid of it. but it seems that apache 2.0 does not run right now. what do i have to do?
[06:08] <Hitch-Hiker> Don't think warty will get any new updates now except for security fixes
[06:08] <kristjan> anybody experienced in wireless access point configuration (WEP keys...)
[06:08] <eim> melanie: Try to remove and reinstall apache 2.0 -- This should add the init.d files correctly.
[06:08] <Hitch-Hiker> kristjan: I've experienced the pain  ;)
[06:08] <topyli> Hitch-Hiker: heh. ubuntu-calendar, ubuntu circle gdm theme etc. it doesn't qualify as wery randy here in europe though =)
[06:08] <kristjan> Hitch-Hiker: don't scare me ;)
[06:09] <eim> AnonBlonde: What bugs you about XFree 4.3.0?
[06:09] <Hitch-Hiker> :)
[06:09] <alge> shoot kristjan?
[06:09] <melanie> eim: do i have to restart my machine after that?
[06:09] <kristjan> just a sec
[06:09] <AnonBlonde> eim: the fonts! i put new fonts but they don't look like they do with x.org or xfree before 4.3 - they look very very ugly
[06:09] <Hitch-Hiker> don't remember seeing those themes
[06:09] <eim> melanie: No, don't think so.
[06:10] <eim> AnonBlonde: Which fonts?
[06:10] <AnonBlonde> eim: and i'm fed up with this Sans, it's the only one that looks OK. nothing else
[06:10] <AnonBlonde> eim: TTF
[06:10] <melanie> eim: and do you also know how to install mod-mono on this apache version?
[06:10] <kristjan> idirect q: if I set the 4 keys for wep, do i have to set all four the same in the client station?
[06:10] <eim> AnonBlonde: apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:10] <topyli> Hitch-Hiker: you have to install them gdm-themes, ubuntu-calendar iirc
[06:10] <Hitch-Hiker> ok, ta.
[06:10] <Hitch-Hiker> thought I had
[06:10] <eim> melanie: No, idea sorry. Check mono on Debian's alioth (Search on Google about it).
[06:11] <Hitch-Hiker> but I'm not on my ubuntu box now so can't check
[06:11] <kristjan> Hitch-Hiker: alge: any suggestions?
[06:11] <eim> topyli: Is already drinking his daily beer.
[06:11] <alge> wel WEP only will use one of the four key formats, but they need to match across all devices
[06:11] <Hitch-Hiker> wep keys have to be the same on client and access point, I'm think
[06:11] <kristjan> the default key?
[06:11] <melanie> eim: ok, thanks. i searched about 3 hours now. but didn't got it to work
[06:12] <amathis> how do you install .deb's that are not in apt-get sources?
[06:12] <alge> what are you using ASCII, or HEX
[06:12] <kristjan> or all of them?
[06:12] <Juerd> amathis: dpkg -i file.deb
[06:12] <alge> pick One
[06:12] <eim> melanie: Try to write to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com -- Maybe someone can help.
[06:12] <kristjan> i would probably use ascii since it's easier reentering....
[06:12] <Hitch-Hiker> if it connects wirelessly then it has to have the same wep key
[06:12] <eim> melanie: What are you going to do with mod_mono?
[06:12] <kristjan> anyhow, have both options.
[06:12] <alge> really it doesn't matter unless U have some wanky device that only supports x...
[06:13] <melanie> eim: i'm very new to ubuntu. how should the e-mail format looks like when i write to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com? i try to get asp.net projects work on apache.
[06:13] <kristjan> so if i set the default key to x and others to z, i can have the client with key (only one shows in network settings) x and will connect?
[06:14] <AnonBlonde> any http iso mirror for hoary? by the way, eim, downloading fonts, but i think the problem is with the Xfree because i've manually added some of these to .fonts and the result is no better .. :)
[06:14] <kristjan> in order not to flood 2much if anybody could explain the WEP and wifi business, please private chat me.
[06:15] <alge> sure
[06:15] <eim> melanie: It's a mailing list so just try to be clean while describing your problems and asking for help.
[06:15] <pisuke> anyone knows about freenet packages for ubuntu?
[06:15] <eim> melanie: Any successes (On other distros) with Apache and asp.net projects?
[06:15] <melanie> eim: ok. do you know how to save this chat conversation to a file?
[06:16] <melanie> eim: no. i only tried it on ubuntu
[06:16] <eim> melanie: Depends on your IRC client.
[06:16] <melanie> eim: x-chat
[06:16] <eim> melanie: Do you need this kind of stuff for business?
[06:16] <eim> melanie: No idea with x-chat sorry. irssi over here.
[06:16] <SirG3> Anyone know how I'd put yaboot back my iMac? I was installing OS 9 to test Mac on Linux and it overwrote it ><
[06:16] <melanie> eim: no. just wondering if such projects work on linux
[06:16] <Juerd> Ubuntu installes a LOT of python stuff
[06:16] <Juerd> What is this used for?
[06:17] <eim> SirG3: Install to the MBR with ybin -v -v
[06:17] <Juerd> And could anything be done about the installation? The python packages together take as long as the non-python packages.
[06:17] <skar> hi, got to visit some site, which accepts only IE, how do i change firefox to say its IE?
[06:17] <eim> melanie: I understand. I really suggest you PHP. asp.net is 100% crap.
[06:17] <baluba> Juerd, it aims to be a python develpment platform
[06:17] <eim> melanie: Don't waste time with it.
[06:17] <m00se> melanie, right click in a window and choose window->save text
[06:18] <Juerd> baluba: Wow. That I wouldn't have guessed. I thought it aimed at end users.
[06:18] <Agrajag> skar: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/useragentswitcher
[06:18] <Juerd> Not developers
[06:18] <Agrajag> skar: out of curiosity, what site is it?
[06:18] <eim> baluba: Good to know. I'm aproaching to Python. It's a supreme language.
[06:18] <melanie> m00se: thank you!
[06:18] <eruin> browser sniffing sucks
[06:18] <m00se> melanie, np
[06:18] <Juerd> Does it aim at Python developers in other ways than just having loads of python packages installed?
[06:18] <Agrajag> $5 says it's a bank
[06:18] <skar> agrajag:oh, thanx, will try it
[06:19] <Agrajag> If it is your bank, you should complain to them
[06:19] <eim> baluba: Till now I've developed much with Perl. I've started a project on SF.net called pySend. Have to write to code for it anyway.
[06:19] <Agrajag> LEt them know that not everyone has/can use IE
[06:19] <melanie> m00se: oh it looks like there is no formatting in
[06:19] <skar> Agrajag: yup, your rite on target
[06:19] <baluba> Juerd, developers like to be treated as end-users wherever is possible :)
[06:19] <skar> Agrajag:they seem to think IE/Windoze are the only software combo
[06:19] <eruin> My bank tells users to get firefox
[06:19] <eruin> ;)
[06:20] <mikedo> hello, can someone help me to have sound when I use skype
[06:20] <m00se> melanie, yes, it's plain text only
[06:20] <skar> Agrajag:so much for stupidity
[06:20] <BKNEC\> hi all. Can someone help me with a question please?
[06:20] <eim> mikedo: What is skype? I can't find it on Warty.
[06:20] <eruin> skype.com
[06:20] <SirG3> eim: how would I go about that? I'm booted into Ubuntu (kinda?) through the CD because I can't boot into Linux because it boots into OS X because yaboot got overridden
[06:21] <eim> eruin: I have just the CLI here at the moment. No GUI browser, sorry.
[06:21] <mikedo> helps you to talk to people around
[06:21] <m00se> eim, skype is closed source VoIP app
[06:21] <mikedo> talk free through net
[06:21] <eim> m00se: Based upon SIP?
[06:21] <m00se> eim, dunno
[06:21] <eim> mikedo: Nice, I've used netmeeting or openh323 since now.
[06:22] <eruin> I wonder which kde theme they're using on their screenshot
[06:22] <eruin> I've never seen a kde window look nice before
[06:22] <eim> mikedo: They're based upon the H323 proto. Not SIP.
[06:22] <baluba> eim, i don't think skype is SIP, gaimphone is it
[06:22] <eim> baluba: You're right, yes.
[06:22] <mikedo> what is H323?
[06:22] <eim> baluba: I once installed gaimphone, seems really nice.
[06:23] <eim> baluba: Do you develop in Python?
[06:23] <mikedo> seems that I can here others but they cannot
[06:23] <baluba> phonegaim sorry
[06:23] <baluba> eim, no
[06:24] <pl0vs> mikedo,
[06:24] <mikedo> hy
[06:25] <eruin> eim, you could install links if you're gonna be all in that non-gui mood :P
[06:25] <mikedo> pl0vs, privet
[06:26] <eim> eruin: Here is also w3m for this.
[06:26] <eim> eruin: I prefere Mozilla-Browser.
[06:26] <eruin> seriously?
[06:27] <eruin> I think my system is asphyxiated whenever I fire up mozillabrowser :P
[06:27] <mikedo> does anybody know a programm to record sounds with microphone
[06:27] <eim> eruin: Works fine here (iBook and x86 workstation).
[06:27] <gen> ahh azureus is using 400mb of ram after being up a few days, nice memory leak
[06:28] <onestep> Hello again!... I created a folder /mnt/hde1 to allow me to mount my windows partition. How do I now add hde1 as an icon to the 'Computer Place' window so that I can right click it and select 'mount volume' ?
[06:28] <gen> eim, you dual booting with osx?
[06:28] <Agrajag> onestep: add it to /etc/fstab
[06:29] <onestep> i did, rebooted, but it doesn't show up in the "computer place"
[06:29] <dropster> someone here have experience with wireless on ubuntu ??
[06:29] <eim> gen: Yes.
[06:29] <gen> eim, which do you prefer ;)
[06:29] <Agrajag> onestep: what does running "sudo mount /mnt/hde1" tell you?
[06:29] <eruin> onestep: something like this in fstab: /dev/hda5       /media/win1     vfat    users,umask=000                 0        0
[06:29] <SirG3> eim: how would I go about that ((12:17:08) eim: SirG3: Install to the MBR with ybin -v -v)? I'm booted into a shell through the CD because I can't boot into Linux because it boots into OS X because yaboot got overridden :-(
[06:29] <gen> i must admit i like osx a lot
[06:30] <eruin> onestep, the users and umask stuff is what you need ;)
[06:30] <eim> gen: Auto-Answered question IMHO ;) Ubuntu (aka Debian) of course.
[06:30] <Agrajag> except not, because it's ntfs, not vfat, and the mask should be 0222, not 000
[06:30] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: if you hold the option button during boot you get a boot menu
[06:30] <eruin> why 0222 ?
[06:30] <eim> SirG3: You need to use the Ubuntu PPC CD to rescue boot to your linux partition.
[06:30] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: you can choose for your linux partition there too
[06:30] <Agrajag> readonly
[06:30] <gen> eim, i heard of issues with airport extreme, did you get it working?
[06:30] <eruin> and why readonly?
[06:30] <Agrajag> not that it matters since you should be mounting it ro anyway
[06:30] <eruin> ntfs write support is mature enough
[06:30] <Agrajag> eruin: uh
[06:30] <Agrajag> no it's not
[06:31] <eim> SirG3: Once turned on your Mac hold 'C' for CD-ROM boot.
[06:31] <Agrajag> you can't create new files
[06:31] <Hitch-Hiker> onesteps windows partion is fat32 not ntfs
[06:31] <Agrajag> you can't delete files
[06:31] <eim> gen: I own an iBook G3 with a 'normal' airport card which works fine.
[06:31] <gen> eim, ahh k
[06:31] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: it's far easier to use the of boot menu to boot into linux
[06:31] <Agrajag> you can only edit files that already exist, and you cannot change their size?
[06:31] <Agrajag> You call that mature?
[06:31] <SirG3> eim: I am booted off of the Ubuntu CD...... and sjoerd: it doesn't show up :-/ just the button to boot off of OS X.......
[06:31] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) gen: normal airport works, airport extreme doesn't
[06:31] <eruin> Agrajag, um, I did that on my fedora box until I removed all win partitions
[06:31] <gen> i see
[06:32] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: you need to wait for some time.. at least i did last time that worked
[06:32] <onestep> i entered it as : /dev/hde1       /mtn/hde1       fat32   defaults        0       0
[06:32] <eruin> vfat, not fat32
[06:32] <Agrajag>  /mtn/?
[06:32] <Hitch-Hiker> fat32 should be vfat
[06:32] <gen> think ae will work in time?
[06:32] <SirG3> sjoerd: no wait cursor...... and I don't hear any HDD activity....... how long should I wait?
[06:32] <Agrajag> onestep: does it actually say /mtn/hde1?
[06:32] <Agrajag> fix that
[06:32] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: strange.. i guess you should go with eim's suggestion then
[06:32] <onestep> oh-k, i'll change fat32 to vfat
[06:32] <FartClone> funny that ubuntu doesn't configure GRUB to multiboot during install
[06:32] <Agrajag> and why does it say fat32?
[06:32] <Agrajag> onestep: no
[06:32] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: you get the harddisk icon wit an X next to it right
[06:33] <Agrajag> vfat is for FAT
[06:33] <Agrajag> you want ntfs
[06:33] <SirG3> sjoerd: yep
[06:33] <Hitch-Hiker> but its not ntfs
[06:33] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) gen: depends on broadcom, for now don't hold your breath :)
[06:33] <Agrajag> oh
[06:33] <RubenV> broadcom
[06:33] <Agrajag> I thought he said it was, my mistake
[06:33] <RubenV> *shivver*
[06:33] <Agrajag> yeah, vfat then
[06:33] <RubenV> i'm going to replace my broadcom by an IPW2200 i think
[06:33] <FartClone> and that after logging out and trying to log in the .ICEauthority file can't be read so you can't log in
[06:34] <mikedo> does anybody know a programm to record sounds with microphone?
[06:34] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) SirG3: strange, maybe you need a newer of version for that to work... guess you should go for eim's solution then..
[06:34] <eruin> onestep, vfat instead of fat32, users,umask=000 instaed of default
[06:34] <onestep> my hde1 is windows using fat32... do i change this to vfat?
[06:34] <eim> sjoerd: What Mac do you have?
[06:34] <eruin> if you want the drive to be useful that is
[06:34] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[06:34] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: albook
[06:34] <Agrajag> onestep: yes, vfat is the filesystem you want
[06:34] <onestep> thank you Agrajag
[06:34] <eim> sjoerd: You mean iBook?
[06:34] <Agrajag> mikedo: gnome-sound-recorder
[06:34] <Agrajag> mikedo: or Audacity for more features
[06:34] <gen> eim, albook is the new gen powerbook
[06:35] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: no albook.. aluminium powerbook
[06:35] <eim> gen: Nice. MHz?
[06:35] <gen> meaning aluminum casing
[06:35] <eim> sjoerd: Got it.
[06:35] <oyaji> hi everyone
[06:35] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: titanium powerbook, is the tibook (for completeness)
[06:35] <mikedo> Agrajag, ok I'll try
[06:35] <SirG3> eim: so what should I do? :-/
[06:35] <eim> sjoerd: Price?
[06:35] <gen> eim, store.apple.com
[06:35] <gen> :)
[06:35] <eim> SirG3: Rescue boot your linux system and reinstall yaboot (MBR) via ybin.
[06:36] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: see the apple store :) i've got the previous generation (1.25ghz 15")
[06:36] <eim> sjoerd: How much have `you` paid?
[06:36] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) eim: about 2500 euros
[06:36] <eim> sjoerd: ok
[06:38] <SirG3> eim: erm, excuse my ignorance, rescue boot?
[06:39] <eim> SirG3: Use the Ubuntu PPC install CD as boot resource to rescue your previous Linux installation. chroot to / and execute ybin.
[06:39] <SirG3> eim: ok, how would I mount the Ubuntu partition? I tried mount /dev/hda11 /mnt/ubuntu (after creating /mnt and /mnt/ubuntu)?
[06:40] <KobrAs> try to specify the type with -t
[06:40] <KobrAs> ex. mount -t ext3 /dev/hda11 /mnt/ubuntu
[06:41] <SirG3> KobrAs: sorry, should have said the error :-P, mount: Mounting /dev/hda11 on /mount/ubuntu failed: no such file or directory
[06:41] <eim> SirG3: Should work if /dev/hda11 is your root partition.
[06:42] <tyrano> is there no ubuntu manual
[06:42] <SirG3> eim: it is, but  ls /dev/ doesn't show any hda.......
[06:42] <chris_> Hi, I updated  the latest updates in hoary and now xorg fails to load. Says it can't read the .ICEauthority file, yet it's in my home dir.
[06:43] <KobrAs> SirG3: fdisk -l what shows?
[06:43] <eim> SirG3: That's strange. try dmes |grep hd and check if you've the kernel supports your hdd.
[06:44] <chris_> gdm starts up and I can put in my password and such, but then I get the error message and it logs me out
[06:45] <topyli> billytwowilly: delete the file
[06:45] <SirG3> KobrAs: fdisk -l errors in: /bin/sh: fdisk: not found
[06:45] <billytwowilly> topyli: it says I also might be out of disk space. How do I check that from the command line?
[06:45] <topyli> billytwowilly: df -h
[06:45] <SirG3> eim | KobrAs: I booted off the CD, hit esc and got into a shell, that the proper way eh?
[06:46] <billytwowilly> topyli: lots of space. if I delete the file that won't mess up any configs or anything right?
[06:46] <mikedo> anybody knows how to work with audacity? I cannot record any sound, I get this message: PortAudio: read interrupted!
[06:46] <topyli> billytwowilly: no, it's just a lock file that's somehow left there and has wrong permissions
[06:47] <KobrAs> SirG3: well if you removed the cd in installing process or in booting process it is a common thing to put you into a shell
[06:47] <billytwowilly> mikedo: I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but esd (gnome sound system) is usually using the sound card. Maybe you have to tell audacity to use esd?
[06:47] <mikedo> I have PCI soundbalaster 16
[06:47] <SirG3> KobrAs: I didn't remove the cd :-/.,......
[06:47] <billytwowilly> topyli: hurray! it appears to have wored. Thank you
[06:47] <mikedo> billytwowilly, how do I tell that?
[06:48] <eim> SirG3: Yes.
[06:48] <billytwowilly> mikedo: I don't know. I don't even know if that is the problem. I just know I had a problem with mplayer and it was solved by telling it to use esd with the -vo esd switch.
[06:48] <topyli> billytwowilly: good. i don't know why it sometimes happens but if you just switched X servers i'm not surprised
[06:48] <billytwowilly> mikedo: err. -ao esd
[06:48] <kristjan> where does the network settings app (gnome/ubuntu) log messages about possible errors?
[06:49] <billytwowilly> topyli: I switched a long time ago. I updated last night though.. I dunno, I'm just happy it works now;)
[06:49] <mikedo> billytwowilly, thanks I ll try
[06:49] <billytwowilly> mikedo: I hope that helps you. Sorry for wasting your time if that isn't it;)
[06:49] <topyli> billytwowilly: it has happened to me even after X bugfix upgrades in warty (and debian)
[06:50] <Hikaru79> For many of the "books" offered in the Ubuntu Repository such as "Grokking the GIMP", once you install the package, where do you go actually FIND the file?
[06:50] <Hikaru79> I tried 'locate', 'whereis' and 'which' for 'grokking-the-gimp' and nothing was returned
[06:50] <billytwowilly> topyli, That could be it. I can't remember what I updated last night. Again, thanks so much for helping me out.
[06:50] <topyli> no problem at all
[06:52] <Vince-0_Linux> Can I get into my NTFS partition from Ubuntu ?
[06:52] <SirG3> eim: *sigh* I have no clue why I can't mount that partition!
[06:53] <Matt|> what was the way to check if dma is enabled or not again?
[06:53] <usual> hdparm -d
[06:53] <Vince-0_Linux> How do i get into my NTFS partition ?
[06:53] <usual> see wiki
[06:54] <Matt|> thanks usual
[06:54] <Vince-0_Linux> thnkz
[06:54] <Matt|> usual, how do I get it set up to always be enabled?
[06:55] <s0cks> EWWWW!!!
[06:56] <billytwowilly> anyone know what .rev files are?
[06:56] <tyrano> how do i install rpms or deb packages if rpm doesnt let me :|
[06:56] <zenwhen> :?
[06:56] <Matt|> tyrano, you can install deb packages with dpkg -i
[06:56] <tyrano> and rpms?
[06:56] <Matt|> tyrano, don't bother with rpms
[06:57] <tyrano> :|
[06:57] <tyrano> but latest version of nmap is rpm
[06:57] <tyrano> not deb
[06:57] <Matt|> tyrano, i'm sure you can find a deb
[06:57] <zenwhen> rpm's are poison
[06:57] <zenwhen> would you drink poison
[06:57] <Matt|> tyrano, or make it from source
[06:57] <mameluke> lol
[06:57] <gen> i'd drink poison
[06:57] <zenwhen> oh you
[06:57] <Matt|> how do I get DMA set up to always be enabled for my hdc drive?
[06:57] <zenwhen> stop bucking the system or you're in for a spanking
[06:57] <zenwhen> O:
[06:58] <gen> uh oh
[06:58] <tyrano> so is there a manual
[06:58] <tyrano> besides a friggin wiki :/
[06:58] <Vince-0_Linux> How do I get into my NTFS partition ?
[06:58] <Matt|> tyrano, what for?
[06:58] <Matt|> Vince-0, you have to mount it
[06:58] <tyrano> for ubuntu
[06:59] <Matt|> tyrano, what part of ubuntu?
[06:59] <tyrano> all of it
[06:59] <Matt|> tyrano, http://ubuntulinux.org
[06:59] <tyrano> or should i just look at the debian
[06:59] <Tomcat_> Anybody got experience with Intel Centrino power save stuff? Standby/Suspend? Seems not to work on my laptop...
[06:59] <tyrano> manual
[06:59] <zenwhen> Linux changes too quickly for there to be a "manual".
[06:59] <tyrano> gentoo has a manual
[06:59] <zenwhen> Forums and Wikis are the way to learn.
[06:59] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt : I tried
[07:00] <tyrano> thats the biggest load of bull ive ever heard :|
[07:00] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: wots the syntax ?
[07:00] <Matt|> Vince-0, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda# /mnt_point
[07:00] <Matt|> tyrano, you are a weirdo
[07:00] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: mount -t /dev/hda1 /mnt/stuff
[07:00] <Matt|> Vince-0, -t ntfs
[07:00] <zenwhen> Im trying to be nice
[07:00] <Vince-0_Linux> tried ntfs
[07:00] <tyrano> ;[
[07:00] <zenwhen> so Im just not going to respond to him anymore
[07:01] <zenwhen> :P
[07:01] <tyrano> im going back to gentoo
[07:01] <tyrano> good bye
[07:01] <Matt|> bye
[07:01] <zenwhen> GOOD
[07:01] <zenwhen> Thank god.
[07:01] <zenwhen> If he needs a manual, we dont need him.
[07:01] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: wrong file system type, .....
[07:01] <Tomcat_> I wonder what he does when the manual doesn't answer a question. :o
[07:01] <Matt|> Vince-0, how sure are you of the number of the partition?
[07:01] <zenwhen> Even Windows users can use Ubuntu without a manual.
[07:01] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: sure
[07:02] <zenwhen> I guess that shows you how smart the average gentoo user is.
[07:02] <zenwhen> :P
[07:02] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: lemme try another ...
[07:02] <Matt|> zenwhen, oy
[07:02] <Matt|> zenwhen, don't diss gentoo.
[07:02] <RubenV> zenwhen: keep up that attitude and leave yoursel
[07:02] <RubenV> f
[07:02] <Matt|> ubuntu has plenty of help available
[07:02] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:02] <zenwhen> I just get tired of the attitude from Gentoo users.
[07:03] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: Can I login as Root into GNOME ?
[07:03] <RubenV> if you're gonna be intolerant then do it face to face with someone
[07:03] <Matt|> Vince-0, no that would be like slicing off your own head
[07:03] <RubenV> but F/OSS is about free choice
[07:03] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: cos it wants permissions to view /mnt
[07:03] <Matt|> Vince-0, why do you ask?
[07:03] <zenwhen> Sure there are smart ones, but for the most part they are very annoying. Ill not mention it anymore if there are people who are sensitive about it here.
[07:03] <RubenV> so no judging about someone based about the choices they make!
[07:03] <zenwhen> Are you going to cry about it all day? I apologized.
[07:03] <Matt|> Vince-0, if you want root permissions, type "sudo -s" in the terminal
[07:04] <Vince-0_Linux> yar - but thats still not login as root
[07:04] <Matt|> Vince-0, that is all you will ever need
[07:04] <Vince-0_Linux> k
[07:04] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt : so how do i use the file broweser as root ?
[07:05] <RubenV> Vince-0_Linux: login as root is highly discouraged
[07:05] <RubenV> Vince-0_Linux: don't
[07:05] <Matt|> Vince-0, you don't: that is also bad idea
[07:05] <Vince-0_Linux> kk
[07:05] <RubenV> you should minimize the tasks you do as root
[07:05] <Matt|> who knows how to set DMA for my cd drive?
[07:05] <Vince-0_Linux> well how do i get files in my mounted NTFS
[07:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, you don't do that either :p
[07:06] <RubenV> Matt|: basically it's just tweaking hdparm settings
[07:06] <gen> what is the best supported motherboard chipset for linux? i've heard of issues with nforce...getting a new motherboard soon and would like some input. current one is via and works very good, any ideas?
[07:06] <zenwhen> Matt| & RubenV, I once again apologize for "dissing gentoo".
[07:06] <Vince-0_Linux> Matt: i am trying to get mp3z off my hda mount
[07:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, linux does not support ntfs fully
[07:06] <zenwhen> Didnt mean to come off as rude.
[07:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, you can copy FROM an ntfs drive, but not TO it
[07:06] <Matt|> zenwhen, np
[07:06] <Vince-0_Linux> kk
[07:06] <RubenV> zenwhen: already forgotten
[07:06] <Matt|> zenwhen, he was just a dick, nothing to do with what os he uses
[07:07] <RubenV> besides, i'm an ex-gentoo user, i turned out quite normal ;)
[07:07] <Matt|> well i wouldn't say that...
[07:07] <RubenV> :D
[07:07] <zenwhen> When Hoary comes out, will the disk be able to be used for a clean upgrade?
[07:07] <Matt|> zenwhen, yes
[07:08] <zenwhen> I mean the official releqase.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Good
[07:08] <Matt|> RubenV, hdparm, yes but how do I use it?
[07:08] <zenwhen> I am on dialup and doing a dist upgrade is not an option.
[07:08] <zenwhen> So Im looking forward to the official rlease.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Ive been using a debian package here and there to get by.
[07:09] <RubenV> Matt|: /etc/hdparm.conf
[07:09] <Matt|> RubenV, ah thanks
[07:09] <Matt|> RubenV, how about just to set it now
[07:09] <DimSum> lol @ dialup
[07:09] <RubenV> hdparm -d i think
[07:09] <RubenV> haven't tweaked those since i was on gentoo
[07:09] <auk> join #ipodlinux
[07:09] <RubenV> better check the man page
[07:09] <Matt|> *laughs*
[07:09] <Matt|> auk, don't advertise *sternlook*
[07:10] <Matt|> RubenV, yeah i got that far to, but dunno how to set it
[07:10] <RubenV> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[07:10] <RubenV> something like that
[07:10] <Matt|> ok
[07:10] <Matt|> yeah that's it
[07:10] <Matt|> cheers
[07:11] <ceu> I've recompiled the stock kernel. I've only added some features (nothing removed), but I receive this message:  hald.c:301: Your kernel does not support capabilities; Some features will not be available.
[07:11] <Matt|> ceu, you recompiled a clean kernel or patched one?
[07:12] <onestep> Back again... I now have access to my windows partion hde1 by adding it to etc/fstab BUT while i can now access hde1 I can't open any of it's folders of files. I tried to change ownership of /mnt/hde1 with chown but i get: chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/hde1/': Operation not permitted
[07:12] <ceu> Matt|: kernel source 2.6.8.1 provided by ubuntu package
[07:12] <Matt|> onestep, ok this is seriously dangerous stuff you are doing
[07:12] <ceu> Matt|: without any change
[07:13] <Matt|> onestep, linux does not fully support ntfs partitions, and changing them might totally fk it up
[07:13] <Matt|> ceu, no idea then sorry :(
[07:13] <Matt|> ceu, what wasn't working in the old kernel btw?
[07:13] <onestep> alll i want is access to my windows partition in my hardrive install of ubuntu. it worked fine on the live cd
[07:13] <Matt|> onestep, ok but don't change ownership of the files or delete em or move em
[07:13] <Matt|> onestep, gimme the line in your fstab
[07:14] <onestep> my windows files are fat32
[07:14] <Matt|> oh right
[07:14] <Matt|> jolly good
[07:14] <onestep> o.k. Matt... one second i'm a slow noooooob
[07:14] <Matt|> np
[07:15] <RubenV> hacking along upstream
[07:15] <RubenV> or helping with the packaging
[07:15] <ceu> Matt|: I've selected PII as processor, and compiled NTFS write support. (I know, is dangerous, but I'm low in space. I will create a loopback file in the NTFS partitions, writing to a file without changing its size is ok AFAIK)
[07:15] <Matt|> upstream
[07:15] <onestep> here it is;    /dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       vfat   defaults        0       0
[07:15] <Matt|> ceu, erm ok bizarre
[07:15] <Matt|> onestep, ok:
[07:16] <Matt|> onestep, i'm not 100% about the exact wording of this, but instead of "defaults" you need at least "user"
[07:16] <ceu> Matt|: I've also added CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y that isn't compiled in stock kernel
[07:16] <Matt|> onestep, or alternatively just use root when playing with it
[07:16] <Hitch-Hiker> I think defaults includes user
[07:16] <RubenV> Matt|: ok, I'll start looking around for some upstream work :)
[07:16] <Hitch-Hiker> whats missing is umask=000
[07:17] <onestep> Hitch-Hiker... was that ment for me?
[07:17] <RubenV> Hitch-Hiker: nope, not really
[07:17] <Hitch-Hiker> yep
[07:17] <RubenV> user is not in defaults afaik
[07:17] <onestep> i'll try 000  thanks
[07:17] <RubenV> Use default options: rw, suid, dev, exec,  auto,  nouser,
[07:17] <RubenV>                      and async.
[07:17] <RubenV> it's the opposite :)
[07:17] <Hitch-Hiker> Rubenv: okie dokie
[07:17] <Hitch-Hiker> thought it was
[07:18] <Hitch-Hiker> ah nouser
[07:18] <Hitch-Hiker> knew it was one of them - lol
[07:18] <RubenV> :D
[07:18] <RubenV> and after that, on to university
[07:20] <onestep> looking at my fstab I dont see where "umask=000" should be
[07:20] <Hitch-Hiker> defaults,umask=000  0 0
[07:21] <yann_> hi
[07:21] <Hitch-Hiker> i think you shouldn't use default as well
[07:21] <onestep> change 'defaults' to "unmask=000" ?
[07:21] <Hitch-Hiker> no
[07:21] <Hitch-Hiker> but you might as well change defaults to user
[07:22] <yann_> got a problem with my liteon combo, i can not read any cdrom... while mounting the cdrom, i got this message: mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[07:22] <yann_> but the cdrom does not appear as mounted :/
[07:22] <onestep> here is the line from fstab:  /dev/hde1       /mnt/hde1       vfat   defaults        0       0    what should be changed to what ?... lol
[07:22] <Hitch-Hiker> ok
[07:24] <yann_> root@yannpc:/media # mount /dev/hdc
[07:24] <yann_> mount: /dev/hdc already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy
[07:24] <yann_> root@yannpc:/media # umount /dev/hdc
[07:24] <yann_> umount: /dev/hdc: not mounted
[07:24] <yann_> :/
[07:25] <yann_> well, if anyone has an idea... :)
[07:25] <Hitch-Hiker> Ok, why isn't my message appearing
[07:25] <Hitch-Hiker> Ok, why isn't my message appearing
[07:26] <Hitch-Hiker>  - /dev/hde1   /mnt/hde1   vfat   users,umask=000   0  0
[07:26] <Hitch-Hiker> thats better
[07:27] <onestep> change "defaults" to "users,umask=000" ?
[07:27] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[07:27] <onestep> is it umask ?
[07:27] <yann_> onestep > what's your problem?
[07:27] <Hitch-Hiker> yes
[07:27] <onestep> i'll try it
[07:28] <onestep> i'm trying to access folders and files on my windows partition
[07:28] <yann_> in fat?
[07:28] <onestep> yes
[07:28] <yann_> /dev/hdc6       /mnt/rack       vfat    umask=0,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850 0 0
[07:28] <yann_> here is my windows partition in my fstab
[07:29] <yann_> try it :)
[07:29] <Hitch-Hiker> onestep: you probably won't need the codepage or iocharset stuff
[07:30] <yann_> Hitch-Hiker > it didn't work without them for me.. :)
[07:30] <onestep> i'll just try umask=000
[07:30] <Hitch-Hiker> every box is different :)
[07:30] <yann_> ;)
[07:30] <hjkl> umask=022 worked for me with fat
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> can't remember what I've used now
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> not on my ubuntu box
[07:31] <onestep> o.k., i made the change. now to reboot and see what happens. thanks again
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> no
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> just umount it
[07:31] <Hitch-Hiker> then mount it again
[07:32] <onestep> oh-k, i'll try that
[07:32] <Hitch-Hiker> should work fine
[07:32] <Hitch-Hiker> your drive should pop up on your desktop as an icon
[07:33] <Hitch-Hiker> okay . . .
[07:34] <auk> if you unmount something, and it tells you the device is busy, what do you do?
[07:34] <Hitch-Hiker> cry
[07:34] <Pluk> possibly fam has kicked in
[07:34] <Hitch-Hiker> think you can force it
[07:34] <Pluk> file alteration monitor, it happens to me often
[07:35] <Pluk> sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart might help
[07:35] <Hitch-Hiker> there's an option in the umount command
[07:35] <auk> whats the syntax for killing a module?
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> kill -9 <PID>
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> or kill <PID>
[07:36] <auk> so....      kill -9 sbp2
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> no
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> PID = process id number
[07:36] <gen> you can get the pid, from typing "top"
[07:36] <pinkee> dont start with kill -9
[07:36] <Hitch-Hiker> ps -ef|grep sbp2
[07:36] <yann_> what's the difference between kill & pkill?
[07:37] <Hitch-Hiker> then kill number
[07:38] <micsch> how can i stop services?
[07:38] <Pluk> sudo /etc/init.d/service stop
[07:39] <micsch> Pluk, but the serice will start at next boot
[07:39] <Pluk> ah ok you want to remove th startup
[07:39] <Pluk> update-rc.d -f service remove
[07:39] <micsch> yes
[07:39] <micsch> thx
[07:40] <Pluk> np
[07:42] <eruin> ubuntu needs a gui for services/runlevels
[07:43] <malte`> 1
[07:43] <auk> well, i cant find it what would it be labeled as?
[07:44] <Keybuk> eruin: I tend to agree we need some kind of UI to select running software
[07:44] <eruin> Keybuk, could take a look at fedoras approach
[07:45] <Keybuk> but that needs to be totally abstract, the same UI should let you start and stop things like esd and the GNOME typing monitor, personal web server, etc. than system-level "services"
[07:45] <oyaji> has anyone config'd ubuntu on a laptop with a docking station?
[07:45] <Keybuk> certainly we don't need to expose runlevels anywhere near the user
[07:45] <oyaji> I am having some issues
[07:45] <oyaji> :(
[07:45] <Keybuk> eruin: screenshot?
[07:45] <eruin> hm, I could reboot and take one
[07:45] <Keybuk> eruin: what's the app called?  I'll Google for it
[07:46] <TenPlus1> hi folks
[07:46] <JDahl> eruin, I am probably wrong, but dosnt Gnome have an app like that?
[07:46] <farruinn> Does anyone know if the flashplayer from macromedia's website is platform independent?
[07:46] <Keybuk> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/config-tools/images/redhat-config-services.png
[07:46] <Keybuk> ^ that?
[07:46] <onestep> You guys are great, I now have a "hde1" icon on my desktop allowing full access to my windows partition!!
[07:46] <Keybuk> that's way over-the-top
[07:47] <Pluk> congrats!
[07:47] <eruin> Keybuk, yes, doesn't look exactly like that anymore but yeah tahts the one
[07:47] <eruin> it's more cluttered now ;)
[07:47] <Keybuk> seriously, there's no need for that in a UI
[07:47] <Keybuk> if you know enough to use that dialog, you know enough to change the symlinks on the filesystem
[07:47] <ogra> hi all
[07:47] <TenPlus1> http /
[07:47] <TenPlus1> hi ogra
[07:47] <ogra> :)
[07:48] <fga> hi
[07:48] <eruin> Keybuk, no, in ubuntus spirit it should be more userfriendly ofcourse, and since we're focusing in rl5 in ubuntu, lots is not needed
[07:48] (magnon/#ubuntu) yum, I'll be on hoary in a little while now
[07:48] <Keybuk> I'd probably integrate it with a security dialog actually as well
[07:48] <Keybuk> so you'd get a pretty list of running software, and could specify whether it should run or not and customise access control to it (through tcpwrapper/iptables)
[07:48] <TenPlus1> Is their any spyware or virus tools available that work on Ubuntu ??
[07:49] <ogra> TenPlus1: nope
[07:49] <Keybuk> link it to the "Add and Remove Programs" dialog too
[07:49] <eruin> Keybuk, yeah, that sounds nice ;)
[07:49] <TenPlus1> shame...
[07:49] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: I doubt that there's any software specifically packaged for Ubuntu, but any debian or really generic linux programs should work
[07:49] <Keybuk> eruin: I have a vague idea anyway, I'll mock up a UI in Mataro for it
[07:49] <TenPlus1> kewl, so that means Yahoo Messenger (debian) should work fine :)
[07:49] (magnon/#ubuntu) Yahoo MessengeR?
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) why don't you use gaim?
[07:50] <eruin> Keybuk, will you let me have a look once you've got something? ;)
[07:50] <TenPlus1> cause I don't like AOL...
[07:50] <ogra> TenPlus1: if you have no ability ti run viruses or spyware there is no need for such tools :)
[07:50] <gaetano__> hello, how to restore the directory /etc/acpi ? i've tried to reinstall acpi-support but nothing, it does not reinstall the old configuration files
[07:50] <Keybuk> eruin: sure.
[07:50] <gen> tenplus1, what are you talking about haha
[07:50] <oyaji> i just installed ubuntu on a dell c610....it went well and works fine when the laptop is undocked
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) gaim has yahoo support, TenPlus1
[07:50] <eruin> TenPlus1, why not just use gaim?
[07:50] <gen> gaim has nothing to do with aol
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) it it has nothing to do with aol
[07:50] <oyaji> when it is docked I can't start x
[07:50] (magnon/#ubuntu) er, right :P
[07:50] <TenPlus1> it doess ? didnt know
[07:50] <TenPlus1> oh... thought gaim = gnu aol instant messenger.... doh!!!
[07:50] <gen> gaim supports aim/icq/msn/yahoo etc
[07:51] <Pluk> TenPlus1, http://www.f-prot.com/products/corporate_users/unix/
[07:51] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: That is right, but it's not an AOL program nor does it only support AIM
[07:51] <oyaji> I don't know how to config it to change the x settings if the laptop is docked vs undocked
[07:51] <gaetano__> there is a simple way to restore the configuration of acpi without reinstall all the system ? :)
[07:51] <TenPlus1> I wanna try and get Ubuntu up and running with all the progs I had in Windows...
[07:51] <ogra> TenPlus1: you could srepad viruses to windows machines though
[07:51] <atariboy> that is the problem with 'specific' names :/
[07:51] <TenPlus1> but I'll use gaim instead of yahoo, sounds good
[07:51] (magnon/#ubuntu) and if you look at the tooltip at the launcher, it says "Multi-protocol Messaging Client"
[07:51] <ogra> spread
[07:51] <Pluk> but i doubt if you would really need a virusscanner
[07:51] <oyaji> can someone help me?
[07:51] <oyaji> please.
[07:51] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: why use a lowly port instead of using a replacement?
[07:52] <TenPlus1> ogra: that's what I was htinking... better to be safe than all your windows buddy's being mad at you
[07:52] <ogra> Pluk: its nice behaviour
[07:52] <TenPlus1> all I gotta find now is a DVD Burning proggy...
[07:52] <ogra> TenPlus1: but you wold have to forward them actively :)
[07:52] (magnon/#ubuntu) cdrecord
[07:52] <Pluk> what you mean ogra ?
[07:52] <gen> did you just say proggy
[07:52] (magnon/#ubuntu) I don't know if the dvd patch is in ubuntu
[07:52] <amathis> samba gets its config from /etc/samba/smb.conf right?
[07:53] <TenPlus1> how about DVD Authoring ?
[07:53] <ogra> Pluk: its nice bahaviour to have a virus scanner...to not spread windows viruses :)
[07:53] <amathis> because I eddited the workgroup in that file, and restarted samba.. and it didn't change
[07:53] <ogra> behavior
[07:53] (magnon/#ubuntu) I don't have a DVD writer, so I wouldn't know
[07:53] <Pluk> ah :)
[07:53] (magnon/#ubuntu) but I know that there are tools out there
[07:53] <TenPlus1> unless I can use Wine / WineX to run Ulead MovieFactory 2
[07:54] <eruin> I'm too slow with screenshots
[07:54] <gen> eruin, what do you mean
[07:54] <ogra> eruin: you are not google though :)
[07:55] <eruin> http://appelsinjuice.org/gaim.png - TenPlus1 - that's what gaim'd look like..
[07:56] <gen> gaim can look however you want, really.
[07:56] (magnon/#ubuntu) eruin: there are perfectly fine screenshots at the gaim site :p
[07:56] <eruin> curses
[07:56] <eruin> let's call it redundancy
[07:56] <eruin> ;P
[07:56] <TenPlus1> looks good... so it does chat rooms / cams / voice / file transfers too ?
[07:56] <oyaji> hi everyone
[07:56] (magnon/#ubuntu) TenPlus1: at least it does chat rooms and file transfers
[07:56] <TenPlus1> that'll do me fine :D thanks magnon
[07:56] <oyaji> I think I need some help configuring X on my laptop
[07:56] (magnon/#ubuntu) I'm not sure about cams, but GnomeMeeting might help you with that
[07:57] <oyaji> How do I config X for a laptop so it has a docked and an undocked profile?
[07:57] <TenPlus1> will have to install my 2nd HD so I can install Ubuntu tomorrow... can't wait to give it a go...
[07:57] <TenPlus1> hpoe it auto-detects my .net connection ok
[07:58] <ogra> topyli: nethack ?
[07:58] <topyli> yeah. didn't get far. again
[07:58] <Pluk> oyaji, maybe some usefull stuff from this page?http://www.mastincrosbie.com/mark/linux-ob6k/dock.html
[07:58] (magnon/#ubuntu) eruin: Det kan godt hende at jeg vet hvem denne Julian som skal ha konsert med NUK er ;)
[07:58] <oyaji> Pluk: Thanks.  I'll check it out.  :)
[07:59] <eruin> magnon, hah, as in lesund?
[07:59] <Pluk> good luck!
[07:59] <gen> english only
[07:59] (magnon/#ubuntu) eruin: as in I thought I might know of some Julian in NUK
[07:59] (magnon/#ubuntu) nothing more
[07:59] (magnon/#ubuntu) as in, heard the name
[08:00] <eruin> magnon, ah ;)
[08:00] <xenonite> look at this: http://zattevrienden.realroot.be/depanneren.htm
[08:02] <gen> haha thats nicr xenonite
[08:02] <gen> nice*
[08:02] <xenonite> ;)
[08:03] <xenonite> and then coming `big brother` helping...
[08:03] <gen> yeah that 2nd truck was huge, pulling them both out
[08:05] <topyli> xenonite: your car? :)
[08:05] <ogra> weird.....M$ patented the "is not, != " operator......
[08:05] <topyli> that's an expensive gig i bet
[08:05] <gen> gig?
[08:05] <topyli> uhh, job
[08:06] <xenonite> no ;) stupid
[08:06] <xenonite> but nice to look at ;)
[08:06] <topyli> some days just are a bit worse than others :)
[08:08] <xenonite> *g*
[08:09] <xenonite> ...collateral damage ;)
[08:12] <topyli> atanks (the Atomic Tanks game) is cool. reminds me of good old Worms.
[08:12] <TenPlus1> cya peepe
[08:13] <xenonite> how can i install new fonts? when i click on "fonts folder" i can't drag'n'drop a ttf file in
[08:17] <onestep> Well so far, so good. First day with Ubuntu HD install and with your help I can now access my windows partition & my USB stick!!
[08:18] <onestep> Now, how can I get my screen size to 1024x768? This size is not listed in the Screen Resolution window
[08:18] <topyli> xenonite: what is the "fonts folder"? $HOME/.fonts?
[08:19] <Matt|> onestep, if it is not listed, then that means that it is not supported by your xserver
[08:19] <FTTP> who here told me about groklaw?
[08:19] <onestep> Matt: it worked while using the Live CD
[08:20] <FTTP> turns out as i thought, the person who created groklaw was a blatent opensourcer
[08:20] <FTTP> i knew it :)
[08:20] <xenonite> topyli: whow thanks, the font installed there!
[08:20] <Matt|> onestep, you keep saying that ;p
[08:20] <FTTP> and they resigned
[08:20] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:20] <Matt|> groklaw rocks
[08:20] <xenonite> topyli: and works
[08:20] <onestep> lol
[08:20] <FTTP> matt:  We got her to resign
[08:20] <FTTP> i knew it was propaganda
[08:20] <FTTP> i spoke to boies
[08:20] <FTTP> :P
[08:20] <FTTP> connections
[08:21] <FTTP> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19794
[08:21] <topyli> xenonite: I wonder where the "fonts" directive got you at first...
[08:21] <FTTP> im not against opensource
[08:21] <FTTP> and it wasnt me
[08:21] <FTTP> but
[08:21] <onestep> If we can figure out screen resolution, I promise I won't ask for Sound help (not today at least!)
[08:21] <Matt|> onestep, why on earth does nothing work?
[08:21] <FTTP> its ironic that someone kept telling me groklaw, then the next day the person is found to be a blatent opensource supporteR :)
[08:21] <onestep> Because I'm a NOOB ?
[08:21] <FTTP> nice going
[08:21] <xenonite> topyli: to fonts:///
[08:22] <Matt|> onestep, an unlucky one
[08:22] <Matt|> onestep, my laptop was working fine straight away for the most part
[08:22] (mjr/#ubuntu) FTTP, next day? That's been rather obvious from the beginning. What are you, a troll?
[08:22] <xenonite> topyli: somewhere into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/
[08:22] <onestep> I wish i was so lucky
[08:23] <FTTP> mjr:  What is obvious?
[08:23] <topyli> xenonite: hmm. that's not good. if it takes you to /usr, it should use sudo
[08:23] <FTTP> mjr:  That groklaw was biased?
[08:23] <topyli> xenonite: i'd say you must file a bug
[08:23] <FTTP> mjr:  now it is
[08:23] <aaroncuk> hi, can some one help.. i have just installed ubuntu and its downloading hte updates, but its just stopped, dont think the system has frozen as the cursor is still blinking
[08:23] <xenonite> topyli: ok i look for it
[08:23] <aaroncuk> its stuck at 30%
[08:23] <onestep> I was using Feather, the mini live cd, installed to HD and "everything" worked straight out of the box
[08:24] <FTTP> mjr:  Im not in favor of commercial either dont get me wrong
[08:24] <FTTP> mjr:  its an interesting case tho
[08:25] <FTTP> mjr:  ITs a battle vs open source and proprietary
[08:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) FTTP, PJ may have her own opinions on things, but this does not a bias automatically make. Groklaw's greatest asset is that it reports the truth as is written in the court filings and PR games.
[08:25] <FTTP> mjr:  "THE TRUTH"  the truth is what you want it to be
[08:25] <FTTP> mjr:  Everyone is naturally biased
[08:25] <Matt|> offtopic guys
[08:25] <onestep> oh well, i'm gonna go install wine and see what happens... sound & scren resolution can wait!
[08:25] <FTTP> towards their own viewpoints
[08:26] <FTTP> matT:  I was gonna say #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:26] <gen> are there any front ends to lftp
[08:26] <FTTP> you beat me to it
[08:26] <FTTP> #ubuntu-offtopic to continue
[08:26] (mjr/#ubuntu) ah well, yes, let's stop
[08:26] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:26] <ogra> :)
[08:26] (mjr/#ubuntu) nah, can't be bothered to feed a troll anymore now
[08:26] <hitchhiker> I've upgraded to hoary, the only update left is "x-window-system-core" - is this the XF86 to X.org update?
[08:26] <Matt|> ogra!
[08:26] <Matt|> Hikaru79, yup
[08:26] <ogra> Matt|: hey Matt|
[08:26] <Matt|> hitchhiker, yup
[08:27] <hitchhiker> is that gonna be ok with my ati gfx card?
[08:27] <Matt|> hitchhiker, yup
[08:27] <hitchhiker> all is fine with 3d at the moment
[08:27] <Matt|> (hopefully)
[08:27] <eruin> ati+xorg=a mess
[08:27] <eruin> aren't they supposed to release new drivers?
[08:27] <hitchhiker> hmmm
[08:28] <ogra> gen: already tried gftp ? not a lftp frontend though
[08:28] <gen> ogra, have not tried, will now
[08:28] <farruinn> Anyone on a powerpc been able to build flashplayer-mozilla?
[08:29] <hitchhiker> ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.14.6 is the latest
[08:29] <aaroncuk> anyone got any ideas.. getting desperate here!!
[08:30] <gen> ogra, this will work, very nice. thanks.
[08:30] <ogra> :)
[08:30] <farruinn> aaroncuk, you can kill the process - apt is nice because it will pick up where it left off downloading
[08:31] <farruinn> oh, are you using synaptic?
[08:31] <farruinn> of course, make sure that it's actually hanging.... no sense killing it if it's not
[08:32] <Thewrdnr1> Hey, I'm thinking of switching my Debian testing/unstable desktop over to Ubuntu. Really needing gnome 2.8 and friends. I've seen conversion notes, but does anyone have first-hand experience with that?
[08:32] <aaroncuk> how do i kill it?
[08:32] <aigarius> farruinn: only thing that I have heard about powerpc and flashplayer is that it doesn't work, sorry. propably some library is not at the place the binary file expects it to be.
[08:32] <aigarius> Thewrdnr1: the gnome 2.8 is entering the unstable now - first packages are in as of 18.nov
[08:32] <topyli> aaroncuk: try ctrl-c at first. if it doesn't work, switch to another console
[08:32] <hitchhiker> has anyone else got X.org to work with ATI gfx cards with 3d support?
[08:33] <farruinn> aigarius, ok, I'm not getting any helpful output here either just two questionable lines: "strip: Warning: Output file cannot represent architecture UNKNOWN!" and "dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `debian/flashplayer-mozilla/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so' gave error exit status 1"
[08:34] <Thewrdnr1> aigarius: Ah, nice.
[08:34] <aaroncuk> control c doesnt work
[08:34] <farruinn> aaroncuk, ever used top?
[08:34] <aaroncuk> and ssh aint installed yet
[08:34] <aaroncuk> top?
[08:35] <aigarius> farruinn: you can try commenting out strip and dpkg-shlibdeps invocation in debian/rules also ensure that strip has not messed up the binary file
[08:36] <topyli> aaroncuk: do ctrl-alt-f2 and killall apt there
[08:36] <hitchhiker> I've just installed ubuntu-calander through synaptic, how do I run it?
[08:36] <topyli> hitchhiker: it's just another wallpaper
[08:37] <farruinn> hitchhiker, dpkg -L package will always tell you what was installed from a package
[08:37] <farruinn> and dpkg -L pakcage | grep bin is helpful for finding commands installed by package
[08:37] <hitchhiker> Ok, thx
[08:38] <mass> are there gotchas to building a kernel from kernel.org source?
[08:39] <mass> I need 2.6.9 for an added driver
[08:39] <farruinn> aigarius, ah, here's the real answer as to why it won't work:
[08:39] <farruinn> dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture powerpc does not appear in package's list (i386)
[08:40] <aigarius> :)
[08:40] <farruinn> oh well, I can at least use mol as long as I get networking working there.
[08:41] <mass> is there a recommended .config file for ubuntu? Are there patches applied to ubuntu-shipped kernels?
[08:46] <hitchhiker> has anyone else got X.org to work with ATI gfx cards with 3d support?
[08:46] <Pluk> nobody afaik
[08:46] <Pluk> except with dri
[08:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, 9250 with the free DRI drivers, but that's probably not what you're asking
[08:46] <Pluk> but that only possible with radeon9200 and lower, if im notmistaken
[08:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) Pluk, correct
[08:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, except +50 :)
[08:47] <Pluk> :D
[08:47] <Pluk> darn it
[08:47] <Pluk> so close
[08:47] <Pluk> ati "promised" there next release will support X.org 6.8.0
[08:48] <mass> does anyone know if the 9250 can support a 1920x1200 LCD over DVI? :)
[08:49] <fang_> so I wiped out my MBR with Fedora on accident, and they use different labels for the drives.  I am now running off a live MEPIS cd and I am in my Ubuntu's /boot/grub directory.  HOw can I run grub-install properly?  I can't seem to chroot there for some reason.
[08:49] <Pluk> nice lcd you got there :)
[08:49] <mass> Pluk: yes, but being >1600x1200 makes it hard to find video cards and KVMs which support it, unfortunately
[08:49] <Pluk> true
[08:50] <mass> the only kvm I've found that supports it is $419 online
[08:50] <Pluk> autsj
[08:50] <Pluk> fang_,  only way i know is through rescue disc, chroot or reinstall
[08:51] <Pluk> in which chroot always worked best
[08:52] <fang_> should i chroot to /mnt/drive or to /mnt/drive/root/ or where??
[08:52] <ogra> fang_: assuming ubuntu is mounted in /mnt and you want to install to hda: grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/hda
[08:54] <fang_> ogra, I can do that without chrooting?
[08:54] <ogra> if there is a grub-install on your rescue cd
[08:54] <ogra> you dont need to chroot...
[08:55] <fang_> ogra, there is a grub install in the /boot/grub directory of my ubuntu install, and I am booted off of a live (rescue I guess) mepis cd
[08:55] <ogra> you also can run it with /mnt/sbin/ prefix
[08:55] <mass> where is the configuration taken to autogenerate the debian section of the grub menu.lst file?
[09:00] <hitchhiker> There's a new version of synaptic on hoary, anyone installed it yet?
[09:00] <fang_> whoa...bad interpreter- permission denied.  must be because it's ubuntu64 and this is a 32bit rescue cd
[09:00] <the_one> hi
[09:01] <ogra> mass: man update-grub
[09:01] <the_one> anyone here has experience with bittornado in ubuntu?
[09:01] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the_one: I use it
[09:01] <hitchhiker> lol @ ogra
[09:02] <ogra> :)
[09:02] <hitchhiker> sorry, missread what you said :(
[09:02] <the_one> kneelbeforexorg: I installed it and it doesn't show in the menus, how do I start it? what's the command?
[09:02] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the_one: it uses the same commands as bittorrent proper: btdownloadcurses, btdownloadgui, btlaunchmany... etc
[09:02] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) it doesn't show in the menu, but you can make it a handler manually
[09:03] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) like, handle .torrent files by running btdownloadgui on it
[09:04] <the_one> kneelbeforexorg: but what's the command to start it exactly, I never really used the original bittorent so I'm not so familiar with the commands. I have installed also bittornado-gui
[09:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) right
[09:04] <Vince-0> It sux not bein root, I cant view my /mnt, which means I gotta run apps as other usr
[09:04] <Vince-0> is there a way around this ?
[09:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) btdownloadgui starts one download in gui mode
[09:04] <s0cks> /dev/linux/
[09:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) that's almost certainly what you want
[09:06] <the_one> well...I have some torrents on my vfat partition (i use azureus in windows, but azureus in linux somehow doesn't like files over 2gb in a vfat partition), so I want to download over the same files in the shared partition
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) um
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) once again: btdownloadgui
[09:07] <the_one> ok
[09:07] <the_one> will try
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) yeah
[09:07] <the_one> thanks
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) sure thing
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) you will want to make it a handler for .torrent files, too
[09:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) so that you can just double-click on the torrent to start downloading
[09:07] <the_one> in "Preffered Applications"?
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) yeah
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I think so
[09:08] <the_one> you're right
[09:08] <the_one> thanks again
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) cool
[09:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) best of luck
[09:08] <the_one> :)
[09:08] <xukun> I need to show a screenshop to same peaple which I put it on one of my machines running apache, now I need I think some kind of port forwarding(I,m using a router) so peaple can see this screenshot which is in a local machine, how do I do that?
[09:09] <will> xukun: check your spelling :)
[09:10] <xukun> will: dont u get the point?
[09:10] <will> xukun: yeah sorry, are you running in a GUI?
[09:10] <Pluk> xukun, portforwarding should be adressed in the manual of your router
[09:11] <hitchhiker> Well, that was a mistake
[09:11] <hitchhiker> upgraded synaptic
[09:11] <hitchhiker> now its dissappered from my Computer menu
[09:11] <will> anyone here run apache2?
[09:12] <mass> will: somewhat, whats up?
[09:12] <xukun> Pluk: portforwarding is not the problem, I know how to do that, but which port shall  I be forwarding?
[09:12] <Pluk> port 80
[09:12] <xukun> will: I do
[09:12] <Pluk> tcp
[09:12] <Pluk> thatll do for apache
[09:12] <ogra> xukun: and run a webserver
[09:12] <will> didnt realise Ubuntu supports its so well
[09:13] <xukun> ogra: I,m running apache
[09:13] <ogra> xukun: fine :)
[09:13] <the_one> KneelBeforeXorg: do you know if there's some other torrent app similar (as advanced options) to azureus on linux?
[09:13] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the_one: well, bittornado has some good advanced options.  WHat is it you need?
[09:14] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I mean, if you get javur going you could just use azreus, right?
[09:14] <will> the_one: not yet, but you can use WINE et
[09:14] <will> cc
[09:14] <will> etc
[09:14] <Pluk> :)
[09:15] <will> KneelBeforeXorg: i use Azureus
[09:15] <the_one> java is installed and azureus works, but it hangs all the time and I have to disconnect my external drive (vfat) and reconnect it, which mounts it as sdb1 (normally is sda1)
[09:15] <the_one> it just freezes
[09:15] <the_one> and the hard red led stays on like it's writing
[09:15] <the_one> even after I cloze azureus
[09:15] <will> the_one: have you tried removing all of azureus and all the settings and re-installing?
[09:15] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) is it a USB drive?
[09:16] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) you may be using USB1.1
[09:16] <timte> I rm'd a 2G large file in /var, but df says it still uses 100%. du -sh * in /var doesnt show anything of bigger size.
[09:16] <the_one> no, 2,5 drive
[09:16] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and it's just slow
[09:16] <will> the_one: i had a problem like that
[09:16] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and you're waiting for data to flush
[09:16] <the_one> will: I deleted twice .azureus and set it up again,same ol' problem
[09:17] <the_one> I read somewhere in a forum that people who download files over 2gb have this problem with azureus and vfat target partitions
[09:17] <clavin17> hi - i just tried to install ubuntu on an laptop  - so far it works - but the x-display is not useable  - how can i use ubuntu with the framebuffer?
[09:17] <will> for speed-----under linux....BITTORNADO
[09:18] <eim> Is there any way to turn off IPv6 support on Warty (I really don't need it).
[09:18] <the_one> well...bittornado lacks azureus' features, but at least it looks like it's working so far
[09:18] <the_one> better than nothing
[09:19] <the_one> :)
[09:19] <will> the_one:thats true...if you shut it down.....you cant jsut start it up again unless u manually open the torrent again
[09:19] <will> i seem to go between the two all the time
[09:20] <the_one> I liked the send to tray thing in azureus
[09:20] <will> my favorite client is TORRENTstorm :)
[09:20] <Seq> does anybody think they could help me tackle why speed scaling isn't working on my pentium-m?
[09:20] <the_one> anyways, anyone here using ubuntu on a centrino laptop with intel extreme graphics?
[09:20] <the_one> seq: should work just fine
[09:21] <Seq> the_one: and it was, im not sure why its not now
[09:21] <the_one> anyine with the above mentioned vga in ubuntu?
[09:21] <Seq> the_one: are you getting the 4m memory problem?
[09:22] <the_one> seq: nope...well, not sure, what do you mean?
[09:22] <Seq> the_one: there was a problem with the bios only reporting 4M of video memory on certain centrino notebooks with intel graphics and shared memory
[09:23] <Seq> if i remember, dells stood out, though probably due to popularity
[09:23] <the_one> I was trying to get wolfenstein ET working in ubuntu, but it's sluggish compared to the one in my windows (can you believe I'm able to play this game on Intel Extreme:)
[09:23] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 is sleeping
[09:23] <Seq> the_one: nevermind, different issue. does it support dri?
[09:23] <the_one> seq, the video memory should increase automatically
[09:24] <the_one> when more memory is needed
[09:24] <will> do you get screen corruption?
[09:24] <the_one> anyone know how I can determine if 3d is enabled in my ubuntu for my graphics adapter?
[09:25] <will> i have an intel 810 with intergrated gfx and shared memory....
[09:25] <Seq> glxinfo | grep direct
[09:25] <will> the_one: run glxgears and if u get over 400 fps its enabled
[09:25] <will> the_one: also glxinfo tells you a lot
[09:25] <Pluk> the_one, run glxinfo id it says direct rendering: yes .. you got 3d support
[09:26] <will> glxinfo | grep #direct rendering#
[09:26] <Pluk> indeed :)
[09:27] <will> sorry should be: "direct rendering"
[09:27] <the_one> I got like 614fps
[09:27] <will> the_one: try exactly this:glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[09:28] <Seq> if it means anything to you, dri drivers in my experience don't seem to hold up well to commercial games
[09:28] <will> does anyone know if you can just swap a gfx card around in ubuntu and it will boot w/out any config?
[09:29] <Pluk> it will boot but prolly wont load X
[09:29] <Seq> at least the radeon 7500 in my notebook, and the 9200 in my desktop both ran nwn horribly
[09:29] <socomm> will: xserver won't, you'll need ton configure your new card.
[09:29] <the_one> it's ON
[09:29] <will> socomm: whats the command simply to configure the card, not the mouse etc etc
[09:29] <the_one> but still, can't figure why games won't run in ubuntu as smooth as in windows
[09:29] <socomm> will: unless you're using the vesa driver which works with just about any video adapter.
[09:30] <will> i remember the days of VESA and hercules :)
[09:30] <the_one> I got the linux native version, it's not like I'm using cedega or something
[09:30] <iz> 20836 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4167.200 FPS
[09:30] <ogra> will: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[09:30] <Seq> the_one: drivers, mostly. which is why nvidia has inroads in linux gaming
[09:30] <will> ogra: im xorg
[09:30] <iz> thats nice for gaming
[09:30] <will> i cant game on a 500mhz celeron :(
[09:30] <Pluk> couldnt get my laptop with a nvidia card :(
[09:30] <socomm> will: `xf86cfg -textmode' just switch the video driver, you don't have to fiddle around with the other options.
[09:31] <Seq> Pluk: me either
[09:31] <the_one> seq: do you have any idea how good is the intel extreme driver for linux supposed to be?
[09:31] <ogra> will: hmmm..... probbly with the xorg package name then
[09:31] <joha> Hi all
[09:31] <Pluk> but i still have good hopes ati will come with improved drivers... i know im an idiot
[09:31] <Pluk> :P
[09:31] <Seq> the_one: since it's not made by intel, and (assumingly, im not looking this up) there is no hardware docs available, not as good as windows
[09:32] <socomm> will: it's the `configure card' option configure your new card and write your configuration file, and run `/etc/init.d/gdm restart'
[09:32] <the_one> pluk: remember the good ol' days in black & white PCs?
[09:32] <Pluk> :D
[09:32] <the_one> there were no such problems back then...
[09:33] <the_one> everybody was happy
[09:33] <socomm> the_one: you mean monochrome displays?
[09:33] <Pluk> Commodore 64 times :P
[09:33] <the_one> socomm: couldn't find the right term, yeah
[09:33] <the_one> PACMAN RULES, DUDE!
[09:33] <the_one> :)
[09:33] <Pluk> hehe
[09:34] <joha> What packages does XINE need so it can play DVDs?
[09:34] <will> brb ppl
[09:34] <the_one> joha: libdvdcss
[09:34] <ogra> joha: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:34] <socomm> libdvdcss == illegal
[09:34] <the_one> you can get also w32codecs while you're at it
[09:35] <the_one> if you know how to find them
[09:35] <the_one> it's ILLEGAL
[09:35] <ogra> the_one: wrong.....
[09:35] <the_one> depends what country you're in
[09:35] <socomm> Unless you live outside of the U.S.
[09:35] <ogra> the_one: youre just not allowed to distribute them :)
[09:35] <the_one> socomm: I was about to say it
[09:35] <Pluk> libdvdcss2 prolly
[09:35] <joha> Thanks the_one, ogra
[09:35] <joha> socomm: ?? why that?
[09:35] <xenonite> i want to submit a bug but i don't know the package where the fonts:/// folder is in.
[09:36] <xenonite> how can i find out?
[09:36] <ogra> xenonite: its nautilus or gnome-vfs
[09:36] <joha> the_one: No I have video stuff working here, but I'm setting up a computer that'll be in a shops window so it only needs to be able to play DVDs, no encoded video files.
[09:36] <socomm> joha: ummm ... regioning reasons.
[09:36] <ogra> xenonite: rather gnome-vfs
[09:36] <xenonite> thx
[09:37] <joha> socomm: Wierd shit. People shouldn't be so crazy after money.
[09:37] <xenonite> ogra, gnome-vfs2?
[09:37] <bratsche> Has anyone had problems starting up and finding panel applets unable to load?
[09:37] <ogra> xenonite: yup
[09:37] <bratsche> This just started right now for me.
[09:37] <bratsche> "The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet".
[09:37] <socomm> joha: yeah, movie studios want you to buy different region dvd's if you live in different countries.
[09:38] <ogra> joha: for different prices indeed
[09:38] <ogra> joha: from where ?
[09:38] <xenonite> alright, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3983 submitted
[09:39] <bratsche> This is happening also for "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet"
[09:39] <the_one> guys..how do I actually make bottornado the default app for torents? my brain seems like it's not gonna help right now, maybe yours hasn't throttled yet to 100MHz..
[09:39] <the_one> ;)
[09:39] <socomm> joha: english is a germanic language.
[09:39] <ogra> socomm: lol
[09:40] <Pluk> hahahha lol
[09:40] <eim> I'm experiencing many network collission on eth0, all configs seem to be ok. Any ideas on how to debug this? Thanks.
[09:40] <Pluk> my parents bought kill bill
[09:41] <Pluk> and then realized it wasnt really their genre
[09:41] <Pluk> hehe free kill bill for me :)
[09:42] <PenguinBoy> afternoon guys!
[09:42] <Pluk> hiya PenguinBoy
[09:42] <socomm> Hmmm ... a sed error when trying to upgrade, anyone know anything about this?
[09:42] <the_one> penguinboy: good evening
[09:42] <the_one> :)
[09:42] <PenguinBoy> 8=D
[09:43] <ogra> socomm: refresh your soureces list :)
[09:43] <ogra> sources
[09:43] <ogra> socomm: youre on hoary, right ?
[09:43] <Pluk> i thought the sed error was fixed already?
[09:44] <Pluk> ah indeed maybe old sources
[09:44] <xukun> ubuntu does not work with freenx
[09:44] <ogra> Pluk: if your package list isnt up to date ....
[09:44] <socomm> ogra: Yes.
[09:44] <ogra> xukun: its planned for hoary
[09:45] <xukun> ogra: I,m using hoary
[09:45] <ogra> xukun: no primary goal though
[09:45] <socomm> ogra: `apt-get update' should do it, right?
[09:45] <PenguinBoy> anyone have any trouble installign straw???
[09:45] <ogra> xukun: if hoary comes out....you are using the dev branch :)..... hoary is april......
[09:45] <ogra> socomm: yep
[09:46] <Nefarous> Can't set DVD-RW dma mode using hdparm "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" any known workaround?
[09:46] <socomm> ogra: Thanks.
[09:46] <xukun> ogra: take a look of this if dont mind: http://137.56.103.211:49021/remote_nxserver_screenshot.png
[09:46] <socomm> Nefarous: you probably need to enable it into your kernel. Dunno if it's enabled in ubuntus stock kernel.
[09:47] <Nefarous> socomm: any chance there is a option I can pass during the module load?
[09:47] <the_one> question for people in the know: is there something similar to dvdshrink in linux, or some port of it in the future?
[09:48] <socomm> Nefarous: there may be, but I haven't used the ubuntu kernel so you're pretty much on your own.
[09:48] <Amaranth> whats the default root password for mysql-server?
[09:48] <socomm> the_one: what is dvdshrink.
[09:49] <Nefarous> socomm: sorry, I thought I was on the *ubuntu* channel <smirk>
[09:49] <Pluk> :P
[09:49] <ogra> Nefarous: its a bug in the order the ide drivers are loaded.....
[09:49] <socomm> Nefarous: hang around there maybe someone who can help you. I'm using a custom kernel that's all.
[09:49] <ogra> Nefarous: make sure your chipset driver is loaded before any ide- drivers
[09:50] <ogra> i.e. ide-disk ide-cd
[09:50] <Amaranth> nevermind
[09:50] <xukun> ogra: what do you think of that,  when I make a nx connection to hoary system, from other os non than ubuntu it self that is how far it goes
[09:50] <the_one> socomm: it's a program which let's you "shrink" a dvd9 to fit on a dvd5 (regular dvd-r), of course, I'm talking about unencrypted dvds
[09:51] <ogra> xukun: are you sure aou are on ubuntu....? i see kde ;)
[09:51] <ogra> xukun: i have no idea, sorry....never used nx
[09:52] <xukun> ogra: the system I,m using now is not hoary, and is what I,m talking about
[09:52] <xukun> or ubuntu
[09:52] <ogra> xukun: i know....just kidding :)
[09:52] <socomm> the_one: not that I know of.
[09:53] <Nefarous> orga: will go try that, many thanks ...
[09:53] <ogra> xukun: i know it is planned for inclusion (gnome client i guess) and if its possible in time, then in hoary.....
[09:53] <xukun> who is using mac os and connecting to my system? :)
[09:54] <the_one> guys, gotta go
[09:54] <the_one> see you around
[09:54] <the_one> bye
[09:54] <Pluk> cya the_one
[09:54] <mroth> about to do a fresh install of hoary.  are there any ISOs for a checkmark yet or should I just do a warty cd install and then upgrade from that?
[09:56] <RuffianSoldier> bob2 is awesome
[09:57] <pepsi_> bob3!
[09:57] <socomm> bob?
[09:57] <socks> Changing my setup around
[09:57] <socks> sorry for the join/quit spam
[09:59] <the_one> i'm back
[09:59] <Pluk> so soon? :)
[10:00] <the_one> couldn't live without being here!
[10:00] <Pluk> good :)
[10:01] <sleon> hi
[10:01] <sleon> is there no mplayer package for ubuntu?
[10:01] <Pluk> hi sleon
[10:01] <the_one> guys, in bittornado the light is always yellow, what's wrong? I can't make it use the whole bandwith either
[10:01] <madsen> hey hey. :)
[10:01] <ogra> sleon: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:01] <madsen> Am I the only one without kernel boot splash?
[10:01] <sleon> ogra, *GGG
[10:01] <sleon> ogra, are you a bot? nice bot :)
[10:01] <ogra> hehe
[10:02] <Pluk> just a well scripted irc client :)
[10:02] <sleon> nice
[10:02] <ogra> i'm the guy that invented the brain to mem clipboard ;)
[10:02] <Pluk> or someone with great typing skills :D
[10:03] <the_one> brb
[10:04] <sleon> ogra, are you serious?
[10:04] <sleon> :)
[10:04] <ogra> sleon: lol
[10:05] <socks> My room is a fucking filth bucket, but I am working on it. Sorry if I am mad, this is nonstop work.
[10:06] <ramzez> hi everyone
[10:06] <sleon> is there a way to view the virtual packages section from synaptics?
[10:07] <ramzez> i am new in linux, hope you can help me sometimes :-)
[10:07] <sleon> ramzez, sure
[10:08] <ramzez> always wanted to install it and finally did
[10:08] <mass> the_one: probably your firewall is preventing  you from exposing a port to the world
[10:09] <mass> the_one: that limits the possible ways to connect to peers from 3 to 1
[10:10] <ramzez> how is "speedstep" works under linux, it looks to me that acpi is recognised currectly, i even have a battery icon, is there a way to check what is current cpu speed?
[10:11] <pisuke> ramzez, add the cpufreq applet to the panel
[10:12] <ramzez> pisuke, how?
[10:12] <one_2_one> any ppc user here ?
[10:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) right click -> add to panel -> cpu freq
[10:13] <RuffianSoldier> Who here uses Ubuntu as a server?
[10:13] <pisuke> bob2, thx
[10:13] <pisuke> less typing
[10:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: lots of people
[10:13] <pisuke> :)
[10:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) it's best to just ask your question instead of meta-asking
[10:14] <sleon> ramzez, have you solved it?
[10:14] <sleon> ramzez, right click on the panel
[10:14] <sleon> ramzez, choose add. then choose cpu scaling monitor
[10:14] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, ?? meta-asking?
[10:15] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: ask to ask
[10:15] <pisuke> bbye
[10:15] <RuffianSoldier> ogra, what is ask to ask?  I just wanted to know who uses Ubuntu on there server
[10:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: lots of people do, do you want all hundred of them to say so?
[10:16] <bash> some one install medal of honor in ubuntu ?
[10:16] <sleon> can i ask it again? is there a virtual packages section in synaptics?
[10:16] <xenonite> try it with cedega/winex
[10:16] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, yes
[10:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: well, that is very silly
[10:17] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, im very silly
[10:17] <gen> obviously
[10:17] <ogra> sleon: not at the current state....but mvo (the developer) is always open to good suggestions
[10:17] <davide> hello, i am new to linux. i have a laptop hp zv5000 . i installed ubuntu but the audio doesn't work, can anybody help me?
[10:17] <xenonite> russiansoldier: do you use ubuntu?
[10:17] <JStrike> I dont think wine (and therefor cedaga) works that well under Ubuntu
[10:17] <RubenV> JStrike: why wouldn't it?
[10:17] <lonewolff> evening all, how can i write to a cd in ubuntu? (not a scsi drive)
[10:17] <RubenV> it's just not supported
[10:18] <RubenV> ubuntu is just debian after all
[10:18] <gen> not supported doesnt mean doesnt work
[10:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) lonewolff: data cd?
[10:18] <JStrike> RubenV : Apps that are known to work in Wine without any modification, dont work under Ubuntu with Wine
[10:18] <sleon> ogra, nice, second question: i added two repositores from restricted format page, updated package lists in synpatics after that, now i can install mozilla, but can not see mozilla-mplayer, why?
[10:18] <sleon> ogra, it is listed on the page
[10:18] <RubenV> JStrike: that's rather a matter of the version of wine packaged
[10:18] <JStrike> RubenV : I assume Ubuntu modifies the wine packages
[10:19] <RubenV> ubuntu doesn't ship wine afaik
[10:19] <lonewolff> bob2: yes, i want to write an iso to cd
[10:19] <JStrike> Nope. But the wine package in Multiverse doesn't work
[10:19] <lonewolff> but cdrecord wont write it
[10:19] <RubenV> that's not ubunu's fault
[10:19] (bob2/#ubuntu) lonewolff: right click on it in nautilus
[10:19] <RubenV> multiverse is totally unsupported
[10:19] <ogra> sleon: i see it..... did you add marillat ?
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) lonewolff: you're using cdrecord wrong: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, yes...
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) or whatever ide device your burner is
[10:20] <ogra> sleon: testing ?
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) wine is not in multiberse
[10:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) it's unambiguously Free
[10:20] <davide> hello, i am new to linux. i have a laptop hp zv5000 . i installed ubuntu but the audio doesn't work, can anybody help me? the audio card is an ati soundmax i believe.
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, no main, on the page is told to add main
[10:20] <spacey`ki> that nx stuff looks cool
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, a yes
[10:20] <sleon> ogra, Distibution Testing section main
[10:21] <JStrike> RubenV : I am aware of that. I wasn't looking for cannonical support
[10:21] <sleon> yes i added it that way
[10:21] <ogra> sleon: eith a small t ?
[10:21] <ogra> with
[10:21] <RubenV> those are debian packages
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, yes
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, cut and paste from page
[10:21] <ogra> hmm, should be there then
[10:21] <JStrike> I was just informing whoever was talking about Cedega
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, could it be removed?
[10:21] <RubenV> cedega is a patched wine
[10:21] <sleon> ogra, when did you updated it last time?
[10:21] <RubenV> could as well work
[10:22] <sleon> ogra, and also why is there no firefox 1.0 in the repositories?
[10:22] <spacey`ki> someone tested this nx?
[10:22] <ogra> sleon: i updated yesterday....but dont use mplayer....
[10:22] <RubenV> sleon: there is in hoary
[10:22] <sleon> ogra, i see mplayerplug-in but no mozilla-mplayer
[10:22] <sleon> RubenV, hoary??
[10:22] <mass> with the new md raid package, I have a /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file - but the /dev/* entries are not there when the raid is being set up :(
[10:23] <RubenV> sleon: the development branch
[10:23] <JStrike> bob2 : Shouldn't Wine fall unde exactly the same boat as Mono?
[10:23] <RubenV> warty is stable
[10:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) JStrike: huh? both are Free software.
[10:23] <sleon> RubenV, should i use it or not?
[10:23] <gen> if you like fixing stuff over time, sure
[10:23] <JStrike> bob2 : I am aware. But isn't Mono in multiverse?
[10:24] <sleon> also can i ask what  are deb-src repositories for?
[10:24] <sleon> gen, a ok
[10:24] <ogra> sleon: hmm, you are right, its not in the archive anymore....
[10:24] <sleon> ogra, a ok
[10:24] (bob2/#ubuntu) JStrike: don't think so
[10:24] <mass> sleon: for the source code to the packages, apt-get source and the like
[10:24] <sleon> mass, will it then automaticcly build packages from it?
[10:25] <sleon> a la bsd
[10:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) sleon: source packages
[10:25] <mass> sleon: you have to initiate it I believe
[10:25] <sleon> a ok
[10:25] <mass> cd <package dir> && dpkg-buildpackage
[10:25] <sleon> but source packages can not be build automatically?
[10:25] <sleon> then apt get downloads and auto builds then then installs
[10:26] <RubenV> mass: you rather need something like dpkg-buildpkg -rfakeroot
[10:26] <ogra> sleon: they can with apt.....
[10:26] <RubenV> :)
[10:26] <mass> RubenV: aww, I do everything as real root
[10:26] <sleon> ogra, and how? :)
[10:26] <gen> mass, you don't like security do you
[10:26] <ogra> sleon: sudo apt-get source -b <packagename>
[10:27] <sleon> ogra, interesting, will it also build all dependences?
[10:27] <MaFioZoX> hey ya tu quelqun qui a dja installer un serveur counter strike???
[10:28] <ogra> sleon: sudo apt-get build-dep <packagename> pulls in all needed dev packages....but doesnt compile them .... its not gentoo ;)
[10:28] <gen> english mafizox
[10:28] <MaFioZoX> ok
[10:28] <sleon> ogra, hehhee... i switched from gentoo recently you know?
[10:28] <MaFioZoX> who now how to install a counter strike server on linux?
[10:28] <ogra> sleon: you sounded like ;)
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> who now how to install a counter strike server on linux?
[10:29] <sleon> MaFioZoX, do you speak german?
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> no french...
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> and a bit ienglish<
[10:29] <sleon> MaFioZoX, i have german instructions here
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> ok...
[10:29] <sleon> MaFioZoX, but i translate them with bubblefish
[10:29] <gen> sleon, obviously that wont help
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> ok
[10:29] <MaFioZoX> give me
[10:29] <billytwowilly> MaFioZoX, how did you get a videotron.ca hostname? I thought shaw bought them
[10:29] <sleon> gen, really?
[10:29] <gen> this is before you said the translation part
[10:30] <gen> :)
[10:30] <sleon> :)
[10:30] <MaFioZoX> bb its my internet
[10:31] <ogra> mass: what do you need it for ?
[10:31] <MaFioZoX> what is it?
[10:31] <mass> initrd.img?
[10:32] <mass> just a small, barely interesting file needed for my kernel to boot :P
[10:32] <ogra> mass: yeah....there are enough precompiled ones.....
[10:32] <madsen> Hmm, is there supposed to be a bootsplash in the std installation of Ubuntu?
[10:32] <ogra> mass: you build your own kernel  ?
[10:32] <mass> ogra: had to
[10:32] <ogra> madsen: nope....
[10:33] <ogra> mass: why that :/
[10:33] <madsen> mass: Then why didn't you build an initrd with it, if you selected an initrd enabled kernel?
[10:33] <mass> ogra: one of the device drivers I needed is only in 2.6.9
[10:33] <Tomcat_> Famous last words...
[10:33] <mass> madsen: because I'm goofy? its just a different make-kpkg target right?
[10:33] <Tomcat_> "Ubuntu is the best distro I've seen so far" - Me
[10:33] <Tomcat_> :o
[10:33] <mass> I like ubuntu so far :)
[10:34] <mass> even though the md stuff was a little torturous
[10:34] <Tomcat_> I installed it on my brand new laptop on Friday...
[10:34] <Tomcat_> Everything just works...
[10:34] <ogra> sudo make-kpkg --revision your.rev --append_to_version -3-yourprocessor --initrd binary
[10:34] <Tomcat_> SpeedStepping, Laptop-mode...
[10:34] <HWolf> Tomcat_ It'd be interesting if the laptop where smoking now...
[10:34] <madsen> ogra: Hmm, ok, 'cause the 'splash' option to the kernel in grub kinda indicated it and I couldn't see why it didn't work.
[10:34] <billytwowilly> Tomcat_, I noticed that too. I used to be a suse user.
[10:34] <ogra> mass: builds a initrd in the package
[10:35] <ogra> madsen: that would be only a splash for the grub menu.....bootsplash is a bit more....
[10:35] <madsen> mass: I can't remember, I never used it. I just build my kernel without initrd.
[10:35] <Tomcat_> I'm still wondering if I really want to trade battery life and duration for hd life, but I guess I'll do it (laptop-mode)
[10:35] <mass> ogra,madsen: do I also need to install this cramfs patch that it is warning me about?
[10:35] <madsen> ogra: No, the grub-splash is not a kernel option...
[10:35] <ogra> madsen: whats what i said, yes ;)
[10:36] <MaFioZoX> re
[10:36] <ogra> thats
[10:36] <socomm> ogra: boot-splash?
[10:36] <Tomcat_> Well, cye.
[10:36] <MaFioZoX> who know counter strike?
[10:36] <ogra> socomm, madsen: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[10:37] <socomm> ogra: I see.
[10:37] <madsen> ogra: The "kernel" line from my grub reads: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-3-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash" and _that's_ what I'm talking about...
[10:37] <skeff> What's decent IMAP mailbox notifier to put on the Gnome panel?
[10:37] <madsen> MaFioZoX: I played a couple of years ago..
[10:37] <sleon> MaFioZoX, http://server.counter-strike.net/server.php?cmd=howto&show=linux this site is the main counter strike server info site, for all plattforms
[10:38] <ogra> madsen: yep...you can add a splashscreen to the grub menu....
[10:38] <sleon> http://server.counter-strike.net/server.php?cmd=howto&show=linux
[10:38] <madsen> ogra: But that's not in the menu.lst as a option to the kernel!
[10:38] <Juerd> Is it possible to switch keymaps using a key combination?
[10:38] <MaFioZoX> thank
[10:38] <Juerd> If this is the "changes group" thing, then it is broken.
[10:38] <mass> hmm
[10:39] <ogra> madsen: no, you would have to add an option.....
[10:39] <sleon> MaFioZoX, http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_fr&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fserver.counter-strike.net%2fserver.php%3fcmd%3dhowto%26show%3dlinux
[10:39] <sleon> MaFioZoX, here in french
[10:39] <madsen> ogra: Precisely, so here's my question: Why the "splash" option to the kernel? (Since it has _nothing_ to do with a grub-splash.)
[10:40] <HWolf> @find Rebel Angel
[10:40] <HWolf> Whoops.
[10:40] <HWolf> Damn.
[10:40] <MaFioZoX> ok tank
[10:40] <HWolf> Sorry guys.
[10:40] <ogra> madsen: baecause you only have to add the picture and it wil get used probably....
[10:40] <mass> ok, I'm going to just assume this patch make-kpkg is complaining about is for the 2.4 series
[10:41] <madsen> ogra: No, as I just told you, that's a completely different thing!
[10:41] <ogra> madsen: we are talking about a grub background to the grub menu, arent we ?
[10:41] <madsen> ogra: The "splash" in the "kernel" line of menu.lst has nothing - I repeat - _nothing_ to do with grub-splash.
[10:42] <madsen> ogra: No, I'm talking about a bootsplash... A splash-screen that is shown while the kernel is booting... It has nothing to do with grub.
[10:42] <madsen> ogra: ... other than grub can boot it.
[10:42] <ogra> madsen: there simply is no kind of splash in ubuntu now, i have no clue why someone decided this option shoudl be in ther ok ?
[10:44] <madsen> ogra: Ok, I'm glad you finally understood my question. :) I'm sorry I got a bit harsh there... I just got frustrated that we kept talking about different things.
[10:44] <ogra> madsen: k :)
[10:44] <xenonite> skeff: sylpheed might be interesting for IMAP
[10:45] <Juerd> How to switching keymaps; anyone?
[10:45] <Juerd> s/ing//
[10:45] <Juerd> (Without visiting the Keyboard dialog, that is)
[10:45] <madsen> Juerd: I think you can do a 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data', but I'm not sure... Or are you talking about non-console keymaps?
[10:45] <madsen> Juerd: Oh, in X?
[10:46] <Juerd> X, yes.
[10:46] <madsen> Juerd: You can do it in XF86Config iirc.
[10:46] <madsen> Juerd: let me check, hang on a sec
[10:46] <Juerd> I know that, but I wish to do it on the fly
[10:47] <Juerd> That is: a keyboard combination or panel applet that calls setxkbmap and alternates between two (or more) layouts
[10:47] <madsen> Juerd: Oh, hmm... Then I'm not really sure...
[10:47] <ogra> Juerd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will ask you .....
[10:47] <Juerd> Windows has it, KDE has it, but I can't find something similar in Ubuntu
[10:47] <aigarius> Juerd: add a Keyboard switcher applet to panel
[10:47] <Juerd> The Keyboard dialog lets one configure multiple maps, but only the first one is used.
[10:47] <ogra> Juerd: it is prefiled with the current defaults, so just hit enter till the keymap dialog
[10:47] <Juerd> aigarius: Eh. I haven't found that, even though I was looking for it.
[10:48] <aigarius> Juerd: right click on the free space on the panel -> Add -> ...
[10:48] <mass> can I enter japanese text or support a japanese locale on ubuntu?
[10:48] <madsen> Juerd: "Keyboard Indicator" in "Add to panel..."
[10:48] <Juerd> ogra: It's much easier to type "setxkbmap dvorak" than to type "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" :)
[10:48] <ogra> Juerd: sure, but is this permanent ?
[10:48] <Juerd> aigarius, madsen: Thanks. I don't know why I didn't see it the last 4 times I looked there.
[10:49] <Matt|> hi ladies. Who knows how hotplug works? I want to remove some things
[10:49] <Juerd> ogra: No, I was looking for non-permanent changes.
[10:49] <ogra> Juerd: ah, ok :)
[10:49] <madsen> Juerd: np, the new layout of "Add to panel..." is a bit confusing imo... I liked the old menu-style thingy.
[10:49] <Juerd> I'm a vim fanatic. I've edited XF86Config-4 long before I've reconfigured any package ;)
[10:49] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, add modules that you don't want loaded to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:49] <aigarius> Juerd: be aware this switcher has a lot of strange limitations - like no more than 4 languages
[10:49] <Matt|> mjr, magic thanks
[10:50] <aigarius> madsen: me too - it was more reasonable
[10:50] <Juerd> aigarius: That's okay. As long as it can alternate between US QWERTY and US Dvorak, that's fine with me
[10:50] <Matt|> mjr, where is the list of things which is DOES load do you know?
[10:50] <Juerd> (Which are called "U.S. English" and "Dvorak", which is strange)
[10:50] <ogra> Matt|: below /etc/hotplug ?
[10:50] <Juerd> It has nothing to do with "English"
[10:50] <Juerd> It's the US layout
[10:50] <Matt|> ok
[10:50] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, haven't had to check, since it pretty much loads everything I might want ;)
[10:50] <aigarius> Juerd: I am having a major discussion with the autor of that thing to fix the limitations which were not there in gnome 2.4
[10:51] <Matt|> there is also a hotplug.d
[10:51] <Juerd> Countries, not languages, make keyboard layouts!!
[10:51] <ogra> Matt|: for scripts on events i guess
[10:51] <Juerd> Anyway, thanks. afk
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, thanks
[10:51] <madsen> Juerd: Hmm, sorry, misunderstood you... Hmm... Good question.
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, i'm pretty sure i don't need hotplug, except that my sound doesn't work without it :(
[10:51] <Matt|> ogra, so i was thinking maybe just load the sound modules
[10:52] <ogra> Matt|: i woudnt drop hotplug.....
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, that's what they all say
[10:52] <Matt|> ;p
[10:52] <ogra> Matt|: cares for a lot more than your sound..... look in /etc/hotplug.....
[10:52] <Felix_> hello
[10:52] <Matt|> ogra, will do
[10:53] <Matt|> ogra, but i haven't run it on the last boot and everything else with working
[10:53] <Felix_> hi
[10:53] <fissy> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
[10:53] <fissy> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
[10:53] <fissy> *** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK+ is incorrectly installed.
[10:53] <fissy> configure: error: *** GTK+ >= 2.4.0 not installed - please install first ***
[10:53] <Matt|> on other distros i've run they've always had a script which activated my sound without the hotplug script
[10:53] <fissy> what do i need to install?
[10:54] <fissy> obviously i have gtk+ installed
[10:54] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) fissy: you need gtk+ development
[10:54] <fissy> ahh k, ta
[10:54] <MaFioZoX> hey it dont wrk (for counter strike server)
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: its your system ;) if you are fine without it.....but dont blame anybody about misfunction..... :)
[10:54] <Matt|> ogra, i never blame people
[10:54] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) fissy: libgtk2.0-dev probably
[10:54] <ogra> Matt|: true :)
[10:55] <ogra> fissy: what do you compile ?
[10:55] <Matt|> ogra, does hotplug run all the time, or just when it is called?
[10:56] <fissy> sjoerd, yep getting
[10:56] <fissy> ogra, 'itouch' uses your 'internet keyboard' buttons in beep
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) hotplug is invoked only when it has something to do
[10:57] <fissy> ogra, did you have any thoughts on my sftp problem, if you remember me asking
[10:57] <socomm> All right how do I enable CPU_FREQ?
[10:57] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: it's already enabled in ubuntu kernels
[10:57] <Matt|> mjr, so it controls plug and play usb?
[10:57] <ogra> fissy: nautius.... ?
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, yes
[10:57] <ogra> +l
[10:57] <socomm> bob2: I'm rolling my own, would you happen to where it's located?
[10:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) when an usb device is plugged in or removed, hotplug is called to handle it
[10:58] <MaFioZoX> ogra, hey you website dont work(for my cs linux server)
[10:58] <fissy> ogra, yep in nautilus, connections time out because the sftp server doesn't respond with a password prompt in time
[10:58] <ogra> MaFioZoX: my website ?
[10:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: why?
[10:58] <xenonite> MaFioZoX: look in google for the cs-intallation on linux
[10:58] <socomm> bob2: because I'd like to use that particular option ...
[10:58] <MaFioZoX> ogra, the web site you give me...
[10:59] <MaFioZoX> xenonite, ok i will try...
[10:59] <ogra> fissy: no, lbut there is gftp , its able to do sftp.....probably a workaround
[10:59] <Matt|> mjr, ok i will keep running it then ;)
[10:59] <socomm> bob2: nix that I found the option.
[10:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: I mean, why are you building your own kernel to begin with?
[10:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) if ubuntu is missing something, please file a bug
[10:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, well you'd better :)
[10:59] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, it also does most pci card drivers
[11:00] <Matt|> only usb and sound isn't working without it
[11:00] <ogra> MaFioZoX: this was sleon......not me :)
[11:00] <socomm> bob2: I just like to add funky stuff to my kernel, it's nothing against ubuntus kernel.
[11:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) socomm: what sort of stuff?
[11:01] <ogra> socomm: what could be funky and missing in the ubuntu stok kernel ?
[11:01] <Matt|> *laughs*
[11:01] <ogra> +c
[11:01] <socomm> boot-splash, ummm ....
[11:01] <ogra> socomm: better help with usplash.....
[11:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) haha
[11:02] <ogra> socomm: to get this forward :)
[11:02] <socomm> ogra: I'm not into that.
[11:02] <Matt|> on my computer building a clean kernel has helped to let me see how much battery time i have left
[11:02] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, on my laptops this worked by default.....
[11:03] <Matt|> ogra, not here :(
[11:03] <ogra> Matt|: and this sony here has a very weird bios from 1999
[11:03] <Matt|> loads of people come in here with HP and compaq lappys and have acpi problems
[11:04] <ogra> Matt|: thats true.... dell is still more worse......
[11:04] <Matt|> really?
[11:04] <Pluk> thk god mine is ibm
[11:04] <Pluk> :)
[11:04] <Matt|> i thought ubuntu was good with laptops
[11:04] <Matt|> someone told me that
[11:04] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) I will never understand ACPI
[11:05] <ogra> Matt|: but if the manufactuer sels a bad bios.....
[11:05] <ogra> +l
[11:05] <Matt|> ogra, *laughs*
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) every time I wrestle with APM, someone says "Use ACPI instead!"
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) so I try it
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and then I ask "uh, so how the hell do I suspend?"
[11:05] <Matt|> ogra, it's not the manufacturer
[11:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want good laptop support, buy a properly supported laptop, like an x40
[11:05] <Matt|> ogra, its the ubuntu unfortunately
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and the answer is usually "OMFG u n00b that's not what it's for!!!!"
[11:05] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) why the hell is it a replacement for APM then?
[11:05] <Pluk> or a t42
[11:05] <ogra>  KneelBeforeXorg: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[11:05] <fissy> ogra, gftp hates me
[11:06] <gen> how fissy?
[11:06] <ogra> fissy: beat it :)
[11:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: anyone who uses the "word" "n00b" is a moron and can be ignored
[11:06] <baluba> fissy, lftp
[11:06] <fissy> ogra, never got it to work, i always get an error about the sftp executable error not being in the right place or something
[11:06] <Matt|> bob2, i'll second that
[11:06] <fissy> and thats on any linux operating system
[11:06] <socomm> Oh yeah I like to have my very own graphic penguin on boot up.
[11:06] <gen> fissy, quite a big dif between command line and not
[11:06] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: it's a characterization
[11:06] <ogra> baluba: gnome frontend ?
[11:06] <fissy> gftp hates me independent of what i've installed it on
[11:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: yes
[11:06] <gen> ehhh that was supposed to go to baluba
[11:06] <Chibi> Hrmm... Is framebuffer compiled into the kernel?
[11:06] <fissy> lftp?
[11:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: but asking "how do I suspend" means you're probably screwed already
[11:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: I was using the dorkspeak to point out what a ridiculous response it is.  They don't actually type like that.
[11:07] <Matt|> Chibi, yeah guess so
[11:07] <aigarius> well I have a HP nx9005 and ACPI is working just fine here as soon as Local APIC is turned off (it hand on boot if that is on)
[11:07] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: but the general consensus is that ACPI doesn't *do* that sort of thing
[11:07] <fissy> i can cope with command line btw, but i'm really trying to get this setup for a friend who can't
[11:07] <Matt|> aigarius, you had to turn it off by hand tho huh?
[11:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: of course it does
[11:07] <gen> what are your problems with gftp fissy
[11:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: just not on broken laptops
[11:07] <Matt|> aigarius, doesn't fix my prob sadly :(
[11:07] <aigarius> Matt|: no
[11:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) bob2: and "broken" seems to mean a vast majority
[11:08] <Matt|> aigarius, really?
[11:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) KneelBeforeXorg: yes, it does
[11:08] <ogra> KneelBeforeXorg: its a metter of ignoring standards
[11:08] <ogra> +a
[11:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) vast vast majority
[11:08] <Chibi> Debian kernel compiles are a bitch. :P
[11:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) all this is well and good
[11:08] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) but why the hell do distros jump toward it when it doesn't *work*?
[11:08] <aigarius> Matt|: this laptop has no APM only ACPI and if ACPI is compiled into kernel it all just works
[11:08] <baluba> gen, it's really, really handy, just a handfull of command to do everything. beside that gftp always gave me little problems
[11:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) "jump toward it"?
[11:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) most machines only support one or the other
[11:09] <Matt|> aigarius, well here too, but i was simply saying that it doesn't on ubuntu
[11:09] <gen> baluba, yeah i know. i love lftp, i want a ui front end for it though.
[11:09] <aigarius> Matt|: ubuntu propably has APM in kernel and that can interfere
[11:09] <Matt|> aigarius, i think it is a patch tbh
[11:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) no, it doesn't
[11:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) both apm and acpi are modules
[11:10] <fissy> gen: <ogra> baluba: gnome frontend ?
 gftp hates me independent of what i've installed it on
 KneelBeforeXorg: yes
 Hrmm... Is framebuffer compiled into the kernel?
 ehhh that was supposed to go to baluba
 lftp?
[11:10] <oktech> hello everyone
 KneelBeforeXorg: but asking "how do I suspend" means you're probably screwed already
[11:10] <fissy> shit
[11:10] <fissy> sorry all
[11:10] <fissy> stupid clipboard
[11:10] <baluba> :)
[11:10] <Matt|> aigarius, yeah i have em both compiled as modules in my vanilla kernel and it works fine
[11:10] <oktech> just shitched to ubuntu linux os
[11:10] <mike998> hey all... I'm trying to play Quake2 using the supplied packages in synaptic, but when I try to start it, I get an error that LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory and that Error: Couldn't fall back to software refresh!...  Can anyone point me in the right direction?  Google is not much help on this one
[11:10] <oktech> switched
[11:10] <baluba> oktech, welcome
[11:10] <fissy> gen: 3: Protocol Initialization
[11:10] <fissy> There was an error initializing a SSH connection with the remote server. The error message from the remote server follows:
[11:10] <fissy> bash: line 1: sftp-server: command not found
[11:11] <oktech> now, the first logical question for me is this
[11:11] <oktech>  how do I install a programm on linux???
[11:11] <Chibi> mike998- Install SDL
[11:11] <Matt|> oktech, welcome
[11:11] <mike998> Chibi: I will try it
[11:11] <Matt|> oktech, you use the Synaptic package manger, in the Computer -> System menu
[11:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) oktech: you mean on ubuntu? wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[11:12] <oktech> ok, thanks i will have a look there!
[11:12] <ogra> bob2: this wiki is terrible broken
[11:12] <will> does linux in general support USB keyboards on boot ?
[11:13] <mike998> Chibi: silly question - you mean libsdl-sound1.2 - right?
[11:13] <Chibi> No.
[11:13] <Chibi> I mean ALL of sdl. the graphic parts included.
[11:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) ogra: and people keep doing stupid things like changing the frontpage
[11:13] <Matt|> OMG!
[11:13] <Matt|> it is so hard to keep track of where the wiki is these days
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) the wiki location has changed once
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) ever
[11:14] <ogra> bob2: who has access there, thought it would be closed for the public
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) will: that's a bios question
[11:14] <Matt|> well it is still wrong on ubuntu-arkwork
[11:14] <Matt|> art
[11:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) ogra: anyone can.  someone went and made it like 5 pages long
[11:14] <Chibi> It's a wiki. Anyone can change it o_O
[11:14] <Chibi> I've done a bit to it myself :D
[11:15] <ogra> bob2: ;)  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3951
[11:15] <Matt|> bob2, also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewFrontPage is out of date isn't it?
[11:15] <will> bob2: oh yeah....doh!
[11:15] <Chibi> Still need to write a wine section.
[11:15] (bob2/#ubuntu) Matt|: anything on wiki.u.c is probably out of date
[11:16] <Matt|> bob2, quite
[11:16] <JStrike> Chibi : Would be great to find out how to get wine working
[11:16] <Lyresto> hello
[11:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) you need to do more than just install wine?
[11:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) then wine in Debian needs some bugs filed
[11:17] <Chibi> bob2- Wine generally needs tweaking to do certain things.
[11:17] <JStrike> Well, clearly so
[11:17] <Chibi> Some people don't know that.
[11:17] (bob2/#ubuntu) why doesn't it do it automatically?
[11:17] (bob2/#ubuntu) do the wine people know this?
[11:17] <Chibi> ....
[11:17] <Matt|> it is ubuntu-artwork which supplies the homepage still right?
[11:17] <mroth> hmm.. i have a brand new warty install that is freezing on boot.  gets to "Ok, booting the kernel" and then nothing
[11:18] <Chibi> Yes. It's an ALPHA peice of software, and still highly expirimental.
[11:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) Matt|: it won't be changed in warty, I'd think
[11:18] <Matt|> bob2, hoary?
[11:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) Chibi: yes, but can you give me an example of when/why it needs tweaking?
[11:18] <JStrike> Wine (From WineHQ) is supposed to work out the box with an app I am trying to get running. So clearly the Ubuntu packagers are changing something in the config
[11:18] (bob2/#ubuntu) Matt|: I thought it'd been done already
[11:18] <Matt|> the address is /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html, so i guess it's still that package
[11:18] <Chibi> When the program you're trying to run DOESN'T run. :P
[11:19] <mirak> why can't we do hardlinks on folders ?
[11:19] (bob2/#ubuntu) JStrike: so when you bulid it from upstream's source, it works fine?
[11:20] <Chibi> JStrike- Nothing runs out of the box with a pre-compile wine, because you haven't set it up yet.
[11:20] (bob2/#ubuntu) mirak: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/linux/2004-q2/0018.html
[11:20] <Lyresto> why does the same DNS server lasts at least 30 seconds to resolve a name with ubuntu/firefox and less than a second with w98/firefox?
[11:21] <Chibi> Lyresto- Windows keeps a large archive of names for you per session.
[11:21] <Lyresto> Chibi, thanks
[11:21] <Chibi> Also the reason you have to reboot when someone changes an IP or nameserver.
[11:21] <Chibi> On windows.
[11:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Chibi: so does firefox
[11:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Lyresto: does disabling ipv6 help?
[11:22] <Lyresto> i'll try
[11:22] (bob2/#ubuntu) Lyresto: do you know how?
[11:22] <Lyresto> yes
[11:22] <Matt|> Lyresto, there is a nice guide on ubuntuforums
[11:22] <mirak> bob2: I have read that it was to prevent circularities, but kernel handles sym links circularities already
[11:22] <Lyresto> Matt|, thanks
[11:22] <mirak> bob2: however I don't understand this "prevent your directory tree from becoming an arbitrary mishmash."
[11:23] <Lyresto> Chibi, are you spanish?
[11:23] (mjr/#ubuntu) mirak, well, there's the matter of where the ".." points and loops and such
[11:23] <Chibi> Nope.
[11:23] <topyli> does ide-scsi still help when cd burning makes you cry?
[11:23] <ogra> topyli: nope
[11:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: no
[11:23] (mjr/#ubuntu) ide-scsi adds pepper spray to the mix
[11:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc
[11:23] <ogra> topyli: dev=/dev/hdX
[11:24] <mirak> mjr: I was thinking that ln could check if you are trying to create a circularity, but it would consume a lot of resource probably
[11:24] <topyli> bob2: yes, that works for xcdroast too. nautilus-cd-burner can't be told anything though, it seems
[11:24] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: it just Works for me
[11:24] <topyli> bob2: congratulations :)
[11:25] <Lyresto> thanks everybody for the help. :-)
[11:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) mirak: doesn't that require keeping the whole filesystem metadata in memory?
[11:25] <Lyresto> bye
[11:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) topyli: ie you've found a bug
[11:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) Lyresto: it helped?
[11:25] (mjr/#ubuntu) yah, if nautilus-cd-burner doesn't find the drive, report it
[11:25] <topyli> bob2: ok, let's file it
[11:25] <mirak> bob2: well the file system is just a tree
[11:26] <topyli> let me reverse the ide-scsi stuff first so i don't forget before i reboot someday :)
[11:26] <mirak> bob2: it would push to do a tree run in width
[11:26] <mirak> I don't how to call this
[11:28] <ddepiano> Is it possible with the Ubuntu installer to install over my Mandrake distro and preserve my /home on a second hard drive?
[11:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: depends on how you have it setup
[11:29] <ogra> ddepiano: if you know the deviace name.....
[11:29] <ogra> -a
[11:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) if /home was already on a device which you know the name of, then yes
[11:29] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: I have two hard drives.  /home is on its own hard drive.  Everything else is on another
[11:29] <Chibi> ddepiano- Simply delete everything except the files you want to keep, and install ubuntu without formatting your disk.
[11:30] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: well then, it'll be easy
[11:30] <ogra> ddepiano: you can select it and tell it not to touch the data in the partitioning tool
[11:31] <ddepiano> Awesome, and I assume I should add those user names that correspond to the /home user space post install correct?
[11:32] <ogra> ddepiano: you wil only be asked to add one user.....if mandrake uses the same uid (1000) it will work flawless....
[11:32] <ddepiano> I think the id from mandrake is 500
[11:33] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, you can do chown -R user.group /home/user
[11:33] (mjr/#ubuntu) no biggie
[11:33] <ogra> hmm, then you should do a chown $USER /home/$USER in the console before you first login
[11:33] <ddepiano> mjr: thanks, that should solve my problem.
[11:33] <ogra> oh, mjr is right -R
[11:33] <ddepiano> Thanks guys, I'm very impressed with this distro.
[11:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) so are we :)
[11:34] <ogra> hehe
[11:34] <ddepiano> apt-get is great :-)
[11:35] <ogra> synaptic too :)
[11:35] <mass> aptitude :)
[11:35] <JStrike> Dunno. Doesn't seem all that different to apt4rpm, rcd or  yum. Except synaptic is worse than Red-Carpet
[11:36] <JStrike> Hey mass
[11:36] <mass> heya!
[11:36] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) JStrike: I've used apt with rpms extensively and I can assure you it's not all it's cracked up to be :)
[11:38] <JStrike> I never has any problems, but that is not to say there aren't there
[11:38] <JStrike> :-)
[11:38] <ddepiano> Mandrake's urpmi isn't bad, but some of the dependencies just seem crazy
[11:39] <mass> :O
[11:39] <mass> >:(
[11:39] <JStrike> And once Red Carpet is ported, there will finally be a nice interface for Ubuntu package management
[11:39] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) part of the problem is inherent to rpm
[11:39] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) the fact that you can depend on files
[11:39] <JStrike> Although, even that doesn't come close to Click 'n Run
[11:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it means that it has to maintain and load a database of EVERY file installed in the system
[11:40] <mroth> anyone know how I should go about checking this machine that warty absolutely refuses to boot on a fresh install?
[11:40] <mass> oh, I have a request :)
[11:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: what is the error
[11:40] <mroth> HrdwrBoB: it doesnt give one.  it just freezes when loading the kernel
[11:40] <mass> I had a great deal of trouble fixing mdadm/mdrun without a text editor :)
[11:41] <ramzez> hmm, what is hotplug used for?
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: have you tried without acpi
[11:41] <mass> ramzez: warming plugs in colder months
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) at what stage does it freeze
[11:41] <JStrike> mass : Ouch
[11:41] <ramzez> :-)
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: loading drivers for devices
[11:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) when you plug in a USB key - hotplug does the work
[11:42] <ramzez> just it fails loading module pcehp.ko and shpchp.ko
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) some devices are also detected by hotplug every boot
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: that's standard
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you can either ignore it
[11:42] <mroth> HrdwrBoB: I will now, but this machine was running with debian sarge fine with ACPI, so i dunno what changed
[11:42] <ogra> ramzez:  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) or put those in /etc/hotplug.d/blacklist
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: what kernel though?
[11:42] <mroth> 2.6.5
[11:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yeah
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) might be changed from then to now
[11:43] <mroth> major acpi changes since then? hrm
[11:43] <ramzez> oh i c, can i bother you with some more stupid questions?
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) try it without acpi anyway
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) there are no stupid questions ;)
[11:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) go ahead though
[11:44] <mroth> just adding acpi=off to kernel argument in grub shoudl be sufficient i imagine?
[11:44] <ramzez> what are this pciehp and shpchp are, cause i wonder if i need them at all for my old hp omnibook laptop
[11:44] <ogra> ramzez:  https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[11:44] <ogra> ramzez:  read this url :)
[11:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: they are fot stuff that you don't have
[11:45] <ramzez> ok
[11:45] <mroth> intersting.. it seems to be booting with ACPI disabled, but it gave some nasty PNPBIOS error about it
[11:45] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mroth: working with nasty errors > not working with no errors :)
[11:46] <ogra> hehe
[11:46] <ramzez> the other problem i have is when i mount ntfs volume i can't read it, it says no permission, i tried to add disk group for my username but no success
[11:46] <aigarius> ramzez: try adding 'nolapic' option to the kernel - that might help AND leave you with working ACPI
[11:46] <ogra> ramzez: addet it to fastab ?
[11:46] <ogra> fstab
[11:46] <ramzez> not yet, was doint it prefixing sudo
[11:47] <ogra> ramzez: mount it with -o rw,umask=000
[11:47] <aigarius> ramzez: you can specify mount options to NTFS so that when it is mounted all files would apear as owned by some user uid=myusername
[11:47] <ogra> ohm rw wont help
[11:47] <mass> yay, 2.6.10-rc2 :)
[11:48] <mass> and now my main drive works
[11:48] <ramzez> cheers
[11:49] <ramzez> currently i am trying to install wireless driver for my card, and i was reading step by step guide, is it correct that i need to build kernel before i can compile drivers?
[11:49] <s0cks> The ubuntu site needs 'updating'
[11:49] <ogra> s0cks: ??
[11:49] <ogra> ramzez: compile ???
[11:49] <ramzez> install i mean
[11:49] <ogra> ramzez: normally there is no need to compile anything in ubuntu
[11:50] <s0cks> ogra : Still says join us at the convention
[11:50] <s0cks> It ended 3 days ago.
[11:50] <ogra> ramzez: what kind of card
[11:50] <mass> s0cks: maybe next year?
[11:50] <ramzez> wpc54g
[11:50] <ramzez> linksys
[11:50] <ogra> s0cks: wrong, it starts on 05,12
[11:50] <s0cks> mass : naw?
[11:50] <ramzez> i was reading this page http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[11:50] <s0cks> ogra : I am so confused
[11:51] <ogra> ramzez: do you know the driver you need ?
[11:51] <ramzez> and this one http://tiefighter.et.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/
[11:51] <ramzez> yep, it looks it was done before, but i never used linux before so i know only teoretical approach
[11:51] <mroth> well, i'll have to mess with the ACPI stuff more later, going to let it download stuff first
[11:51] <s0cks> ogra : Are you goin?
[11:52] <ogra> ramzez: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[11:52] <ogra> s0cks:  sure
[11:52] <ogra> s0cks: i want to meet my heros !!
[11:52] <s0cks> ogra : prove it :)
[11:53] <ogra> s0cks: look at the conferenceatendees site :)
[11:54] <s0cks> It doesn't say ogra
[11:54] <s0cks> And they converted it to text format since I last looked.
[11:54] <ramzez> orga: oh that's like 123, damn and i am builing the kernel for 4 hours now
[11:55] <ogra> s0cks: O liver GRA wert
[11:55] <ramzez> should have been put search not on wpc54g in forums but for ndiswrapper
[11:55] <ramzez> but i guess it always hard first time
[11:56] <s0cks> ogra : SWEET! If I didn't live in the US and it didn't cost serveral grand and I didn't have to miss school, I would probably go, even though I am new
[11:56] <s0cks> It might help me learn.
[11:56] <s0cks> Also, my laptop is flat out a Powerbook 150
[11:56] <ogra> ramzez: also ignore what the site says about the kernel... its from a prerelease.....the kernel now is up to date
[11:56] <s0cks> With not enough HD space to run Ubuntu
[11:56] <s0cks> Kinda sad, but works for me.
[11:57] <ramzez> so should i just get ndiswrapper?
[11:58] <ramzez> like start with step4 and ignore first 3?
[11:58] <mass> if I want my home directory to be served off another volume, but it isn't the root of the volume, how is that normally set up?
[11:58] <mass> symbolic link, or bind?