=== srbaker [~srbaker@blk-222-13-66.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bob2_ [~rob@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-2-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === smurfix [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] (mjg59/#ubuntu-devel) bob2: Rock === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matt| [~Matt|@81-178-126-223.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-16-25.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === btfan [~hm@martinalderson.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] hi [12:43] is it possible that windows network printing colud be improved? [12:44] basically, is it possible for ubuntu to scan the subnet, find the smb hosts and search for printers and put them in the 'detected' printers dialog? === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [~lathiat@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-135.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matt| [~Matt|@81-178-126-223.dsl.pipex.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === _rene__ [~rene@dsl-213-023-032-078.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _rene__ is now known as _rene_ === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] for future reference [01:49] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 [01:49] have I got priority, severity, etc right on that one? [02:19] did evolution break for anyone else today? [02:29] haven't seen any evolution updates in a couple of days === drbyte [~byte@byte.fedora] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] mine just started working [02:40] mine has the occasional crash when frantically selecting text in mails [02:52] still crashing [02:52] but its more working than before [02:52] when I just got a toolbar with a send/receive ubtton ;) [02:53] :) === jamesh [~james@203-59-50-191.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] jdub: heh [03:14] kalc. [03:14] kalk i mean [03:14] a bit shy, calc? [03:14] eruin: jdub seems to be swamped by users telling him what he better do ;) [03:15] yeah, I've been following it ;) === calc runs gnome ~2.8 now ;) [03:15] ~ [03:15] yeah so i have no idea what to do with pam_krb5 [03:15] since im not installing fedora to find out what they use [03:21] can't wait for gimp2.2 [03:21] wasabi: check their src.rpms [03:21] incoming u-d post. === robertj ducks [03:22] wonder what kind of hell its going to be once the menus merge and all three are changed (debian/gnome/kde) to a unified one ;) [03:22] people are already whining that one simple package moved in a menu [03:22] I could care less about KDE's menu at this point. [03:22] =) [03:23] calc: break them from the habit. Move them randomly [03:23] wasabi: once gnome 2.9/2.10 is out the gnome/kde menu is one and the same [03:23] I like the Computer menu concept extremely well. [03:23] its the fdo menu [03:23] calc: this is where it's great to have your own distro and be allowed to exercise sanity ;) [03:23] THe clear seperate between applications and system configuration [03:23] wasabi: I like it but I'm not a fan of having places on the computer menu [03:24] I just want to be able to launch apps from it easily, without having to make panel launchers like I do. [03:24] robertj: the "plan" is to have a Places menu in hoary, which is shared with the Gtk file manager and nautilus [03:24] I dislike having tons of panel launchers [03:24] hard to organize and maintain [03:24] asterisk is in universe, i presume ? [03:24] Keybuk: heh [03:24] Keybuk: What is Gtk file manager? [03:24] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) drbyte: yes [03:24] robertj: the filechooser [03:24] oh, ok [03:24] uh, GtkFileChooser [03:25] brain isn't quite in gear [03:25] just checking === calc wonders why so many people hate dselect, its great :) [03:25] it's cli! [03:25] eek [03:26] so when's ubuntu going to package 2.6.9? [03:26] I didn't part with lots of cash for my mouse just to use a cli [03:26] wasabi: of? [03:26] kernel? [03:26] yeah. [03:26] tseng: thanks. we're gonna try build a voip system now [03:26] i haven't opened my ubuntu-users folder for days :| [03:27] wasabi, hopefully along with nvidia 6629 [03:27] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) hey jdub, tiny mistake in tomboy control [03:27] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) im missing a closing parens on depends, it got uploaded to hoary like that [03:28] d'oh [03:28] ain't lintian suppose to catch that stuff? *hides* [03:29] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: i fixed it and then updated to 0.2.2, i can send source somewhere or file a bug, whatever is most convenient for you [03:29] also, does anyone ever wonder if the Computer menu should have an icon similar to the Applications menu? [03:29] I like apple's way of doing it actually. [03:29] or is that just my hangup ;) [03:29] The icon is the menu. [03:29] ANd it's the System Menu. [03:29] With all the Important System Stuff. [03:29] robertj: it'd be kinda confusing (the applications menu icon is a bit confusing in itself) [03:30] tseng: send me a url :) [03:30] jdub: yeah, it's a catch 22. Because if you do then you say "well then, why is the application icon a foot" [03:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) the icon on the app menu is just a throwback to the old foot [03:30] it seems empty without the foot though [03:30] I'd do what apple does [03:30] First menu, ubuntu icon. System config stuff. Stuff that's in COmputer now. [03:31] (some stuff from computer) [03:31] like log out, etc. [03:31] Users have a real tough time finding log out under the apple menu [03:31] It says to the user "this is the menu that lets you edit Ubuntu the system" [03:31] Well, then name it System or something too [03:31] the annoying thing about that is it breaks Fitt's Law [03:31] to me it says "This is a foot. We put everything that is hard to categorize in here." [03:32] I am not aware of Fitts law [03:32] apple's apple isn't something I love [03:32] wasabi: it's the only rule anyone knows about UI design [03:32] wasabi: "The most used things should be the easiest things to click." basically [03:32] Keybuk: pfft. [03:32] although one fact that the UI needs to face is that people don't often launch applications [03:32] Sucky rule. [03:32] it's very easy to throw your mouse into the top-left of the screen and click what ever's there [03:32] it comproises maybe 1/10,000th of the average computer usage [03:32] The most used things should be arranged where they are expected. [03:32] So somebody can find them [03:32] Not just On The Top [03:33] robertj: sure, but they launch more applications than they take screenshots [03:33] unless they're jdub, of course :p [03:33] Keybuk: yeah, agreed on that one [03:33] who I think has tipped the balance the other way [03:33] having the Places menu in the Upper Left would seem better [03:33] your more often going somewhere than opening an appliation [03:33] I like hte idea of classify items as "things you do to the computer", "things you do within your desktop environment". [03:34] but that's JUST ME [03:34] robertj: hmm, I can't comment -- I have a sneaky suspicion you're right [03:34] I like the idea of a Places menu. [03:34] robertj: there's a thread on d-d-l about possible menu changes upstream [03:34] which includes: [03:34] Applications Places System [03:34] and [03:34] [foot] Applications Places [03:35] System Applications Places [03:35] Where System can be a icon. ;) [03:35] Places Applications System'd seem better [03:35] that's what [foot] i [03:35] s [03:35] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: try http://www.smarterits.com/~brandon/ubuntu/ [03:35] The big thing is users expect their programs to be in the corner from the Start Menu or Apple Menu [03:36] I'd think labeling it Applications eleviates that. [03:36] so that inch difference makes a ..err difference [03:37] I still feel like it skirts the real problem of not having good scratch space [03:38] tseng: building now [03:38] that might could be fixed by gnome-panel enhancements [03:39] okay, if you guys use make-kpkg.... what builds linux-restricted? [03:40] tseng: successful build, successful install... [03:40] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) :) [03:41] successful microtesting ;) [03:41] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) it even takes notes with style [03:42] I mean sure, we tell ourselves that we work methodically, every file is needed to be able to reproduce our work. In actuality we download stuff, delete 90% of it a minute later, paste things into a wordprocessor because we want our sticky notes spell-checked and uber-formatted, etc [03:43] am I boring yall ;) [03:43] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) robertj: its ironic you say these things [03:43] tseng: has anyone sponsored you to get it into debian? [03:43] tseng: why? [03:44] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: no, i was just looking at mentors.d,o today [03:44] STICKY WIKI [03:44] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) robertj: because we are working on uploading a tomboy fix [03:44] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) with.. spellchecking! [03:44] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) the mythical scratchpad you long for [03:44] It's just hte principle of the thing though [03:44] like you have a document that you say "I want to use this for a while until I file it or delete it" [03:45] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) http://beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/ [03:45] sometimes its a spreadsheet, or a csv, or some code, or whatever [03:45] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) and: [03:45] tseng: want me to upload? [03:45] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/ [03:45] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: that would be rad [03:46] the problem with beagle is it's not got that spatial feel [03:46] funny I thought I saw tomboy in synaptic the other day [03:46] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) robertj: the current beagle ui is a poc really [03:46] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) eruin: its in ubuntu [03:46] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) thanks to mr. dub [03:46] tseng: it's not just that though [03:46] robertj: search folders in nautilus -> spatial. [03:47] jdub: the closest I've gotten is binding a special key to show/hide desktop [03:47] robertj: you can't apply spatiality to everything. [03:47] if there was a way to make it show on press down and hide on release that would be closer [03:47] and it doesn't make sense to do so [03:47] then you could drag something off the desktop into yoru document [03:48] I'm not a real spatial fan [03:48] tseng, I can't find it anywhere ;o [03:48] but this seems like one of the really good uses [03:48] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) eruin: its in hoary [03:48] <- hoary ;) [03:48] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) well, the source is at least [03:48] ah [03:49] it's just lots of little things that kind of make it a pain [03:50] like you can't show/hide desktop while dragging [03:51] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) remind me why id want to do that? [03:51] tseng: you have 3 jpegs on your desktop you want to attach to an evolution document [03:51] err "Email message" [03:52] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) ok? [03:52] so you press the show desktop key, select them, start the drag, press the key again to put windows back in their position, and drop the documents on the message to attach [03:52] you want to be able to alt-tab while dragging, or drag to an app on the panel widow list [03:52] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) or id move evo to its own desktop [03:53] or point to a window for 2 seconds and have it move above [03:53] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) which wasnt full of other crap [03:53] I don't have another desktop, I'm happy with one [03:53] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) maybe if you are really impassioned about this you could write up how youd prefer it to work and make an open proposal to the gnome mailing list [03:54] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) w/o using phrases like "its a pain" and other things with negative conotation [03:54] yeah [03:54] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) "it would be great if we had this" vs "it sucks that you cant do this" [03:54] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) you get a better response. [03:56] tseng: :-) [03:56] also, does anyone know if dragging to the panel for launcher creation is on the list for 2.10? [03:57] it works if your dragging an executable app, but it assumes any file is an executable instead of rooting for the handler [03:57] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) so, you want to add .mp3s to your panel? [03:57] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) or how do you mean [03:58] well yeah [03:58] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) i can drag .desktop files to it all day long [03:58] or more practically my 5 spreadsheets that I use all the time [03:58] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) isnt that why we have recent files? [03:58] ah, smeg. [03:58] tseng: will have to upload again -> s/unstable/hoary/ :-) [03:58] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) Computer - Recent Messages [03:59] tseng: but I just want those spreadsheets, not all the other stuff [03:59] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) recent documents rather [03:59] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) you want a lot of things :) [04:00] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) you can also easily make a folder with your spreadsheets, and add it to you favorites in gtkfilechooser [04:00] is there a GtkFileChooser applet? [04:00] filechooser bookmarks will be in the places menu [04:00] that will help [04:01] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) :) [04:01] being able to drag to and from that menu would be very intuitive though [04:01] although it's not really what menus are used for [04:01] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) to me its counterintuitive [04:01] elmo: ping [04:02] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) the panel is for launching applications [04:02] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) not for launching files [04:02] tseng: that's not true [04:02] robertj: probably best to take this discussion to gnome's usability list. [04:02] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) launching an applications w/ a file uses the drag n drop paradigm [04:02] there are a bajillion things that can and do live on various people's panel [04:02] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) well thats true [04:02] yeah, it probably needs to get moved [04:02] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) but not "intuitive" [04:03] wanna go to #gnome-usability? [04:03] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) why not. [04:03] (come one come all) [04:08] tseng: tomboy's on its way. [04:10] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) yay === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] \o/ [05:01] hey keybuk what's the ascii art about ? [05:02] it's a yay for tomboy [05:02] Keybuk : got accepted into universe, right? [05:08] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) indeed. [05:09] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) see hoary-changes [05:09] tseng : was this your debian package? :) [05:09] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) ya [05:09] tseng : (i've been using it since I found out your repo) [05:10] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) ya its nice [05:10] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) i found a few other things id like to do [05:10] tseng : It's very cool :), did it pass the regular, sid ---> hoary universe cycle? [05:10] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) no :P [05:12] tseng : cooler, uploaded straight into universe? [05:12] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) ya [06:09] morning guys [06:09] lamont: ping? === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:32] what is wrong with jackass? [06:33] jdub: do you happen to know where the UploadQueue is gone? [06:43] no asterix in universe! [06:43] can anyone point me to a package building guide? [06:43] eruin: debian new maintainer's guide [06:44] fabbione: the directory? [06:44] cheers === jdub uploads nautilus with a bunch of old mush removed [06:44] yeah [06:44] it's not there anymore [06:45] just worked for me [06:45] bah it works without [06:45] probably elmo chrooted even more [06:46] and the Contents files aren't updated properly :( [07:03] right, time to go play with the arch people === Keybuk heads for London [07:11] this is so cooool! [07:11] i have a couple of fox'es in my garden [07:15] a fox or stray dog came and killed all 10 of my chickens last week :( [07:15] dug under the fence into the pen [07:17] i don't have chickens in my garden [07:17] but they keeps rats and stuff like that away [07:43] ah === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Morning [08:19] hey pitti [08:20] fabbione: Hi! I saw my small niece yesterday (3 days old now). Babies are sooo sweet :) [08:21] (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: if you start saying that, your getting old :) [08:21] (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) morning [08:21] sjoerd: Morning. Really? Damn... [08:22] pitti: oh yeah :-) [08:22] sjoerd: ehehhehe [08:23] (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) gotta go [08:23] (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) later [08:26] holy.. it's snowing like hell today [08:26] and i need to go and renew my passport === smurfix [~smurf@run.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~Michael@suprimo-136.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] morning all! [09:51] hey doko [09:51] Hi doko, mvo_! === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] lifeless: around? === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: he's with mark and martin [10:08] thanks [10:09] (doesn't matter now) === gicmo_ [~gicmo@pD9545152.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] bob2: can you ask Mark to show up on irc when he has 2 minutes of time? [10:10] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: will do [10:10] thanks [10:11] jdub: yo [10:12] 'sok [10:12] just had to get the keyring [10:12] but [10:12] out of interest [10:13] when baz fails due to lack of gpg love [10:13] how can you tell which key it doesn't have? :) === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] hi [10:19] jdub: ximian-connector needs some love [10:19] E: Package evolution has no installation candidate [10:19] does evo* provides evolution somehow? [10:20] ops [10:20] never mind === fabbione goes and sit in a corner [10:22] :-) [10:23] jdub: yah === fabbione fixes another FTBFS [10:38] daniels: hey kid [10:39] hehe [10:40] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) he's not a kid [10:41] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) he beat up a family of clowns this morning [10:41] fabbione: sup [10:41] daniels: getting ready to upload xfree86 ubuntu26 [10:41] fabbione: changes? [10:41] i was waiting for you to review the changes [10:41] fabbione: just the restructure of the packaging? [10:41] 'k [10:41] daniels: just a sec [10:41] sure [10:42] xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26) hoary; urgency=low [10:42] Changes by Fabio M. Di Nitto: [10:42] * Sync debian/rules install-server target with install and make [10:42] binary-server work again. [10:42] * Start shipping only xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xfree86-dbg as a temporary [10:42] stage, while waiting for full removal. [10:42] This will give the opportunity for users to be able to revert to an "old" [10:42] and well known server if the xserver-xorg package does not work for them. [10:42] + the security stuff [10:43] it basically builds only xserver-xfree86{,-dbg} [10:43] ok [10:44] goody [10:44] i am gonna do a test [10:44] and upload [10:44] this will also solve the problem of having warty > hoary [10:44] pitti: what about uploading libc6 to hoary? [10:44] pitti: with the security fix and a -3 version? [10:44] ;) [10:44] fabbione: ? [10:45] it gave a big headacke [10:45] fabbione: I thought I uploaded the fix there long ago [10:45] fabbione: or did Debian eventually fix it too? [10:45] fabbione: then it could be synced [10:45] pitti: warty has -2.2 [10:45] hoary 2 [10:45] fabbione: how will it solve the warty->hoary problem??? [10:46] daniels: hoary has 2 problems atm [10:46] daniels: one is the version [10:46] the other one is the cache for the Contents file [10:46] the ubuntu-desktop problem is the biggest, and that's solveable by an xserver-xfree86 metapackage that deps on -xorg [10:46] the latter is more important [10:46] what? [10:46] daniels: check XKBstr.h [10:46] using Contents-i386.gz [10:46] it's listed as being in xlibs-static-dev? [10:47] the file is still registered as part of xlibs-static-dev [10:47] because the package is probably still cached from xfree86 [10:47] yeah, which is solveable by killing that from xfree86 [10:47] this upload should "kill" the cache [10:47] Kamion: synaptic as it needs some ubuntu-patches before it can be synced [10:47] daniels: exactly === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-135.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:48] fabbione: the Debian version also fixes a problem on amd64, so I would rather base hoary on this [10:48] pitti: make sense [10:48] fabbione: I don't understand this, a new glibc was uploaded on Oct 5 without fixing the security problem [10:48] morning [10:48] fabbione: I sent the patch to the bug, it would have been trivial... [10:48] Hi seb128 [10:48] hey pitti [10:48] fabbione: I will sync manually [10:49] pitti: nothing important.. it was just to allign stuff around [10:49] hey seb128 [10:49] seb128: i did a bunch of uploads of gnome stuff this morning [10:49] hi fabbione [10:49] seb128: to fix FTBFS [10:49] fabbione: however, it is on my todo list for some weeks now, so I won't forget about it :) [10:49] fabbione: yeah, I've seen that, thanks [10:49] pitti: cool! [10:49] seb128: thanks the sparcbuildd that is catching them [10:49] i am sure there are more [10:50] but we will see them in the next phase [10:50] probably yes [10:50] well i will rather fix them or bug you :P [10:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: you can stop things from being synced by uploading an Ubuntu version === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] Kamion: ah, I think that was the problem. thanks for pointing this out [10:52] fabbione: you are on crack [10:52] -xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26) warty-security; urgency=low [10:52] +xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu26) hoary; urgency=low [10:52] w-s got 25.1, not 26 [10:52] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: you can either (a) upload something now to keep it out, (b) upload the merged version before the Debian version makes it out of incoming, (c) don't worry about it and upload the merge afterwards, since hoary users should be able to cope, (d) ask elmo if there are more available options [10:52] daniels: you are on crack [10:52] daniels: read carefully [10:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: cache> Contents-* only gets updated once a week or so, I believe [10:53] daniels: warty has 25.1 [10:53] ... [10:53] daniels: hoary will have 26 [10:53] yes, warty-security specifically [10:53] yes [10:53] note the - [10:53] so what? [10:53] -6ubuntu26) warty-security [10:53] where did you get that from? [10:53] from the previous svn commit [10:53] i just forgot to change the target [10:53] it was never uploaded [10:54] heh [10:54] Kamion: afaik Contents is updated each time apt-ftparchive run [10:54] Kamion: at least it does it here [10:54] and in any case [10:54] xorg has been uploaded a while go [10:54] s/go/ago [10:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: no, search for Contents in the apt-ftparchive man page [10:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) you're right that it seems to be older than I'd expect for some reason, though [10:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) but I think you're describing the problem wrongly :) [10:57] Kamion: ok.. there are flags to tune it [10:57] iirc the dak 'daily' pulse regenerates contents [10:57] i didn't know about it [10:57] Kamion: but the point is that files are listed in the wrong package after a looong while :-) [10:57] (of course, our 'days' are half an hour ... everything moves faster in ubuntu) [10:58] Kamion: and of course i agree with you.. a few hours back i had to formulate my theory :-) [10:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) (ContentsAge is 10 days by default) [10:58] Kamion: not here.. [10:58] and i did never change the default [10:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) if it's cheap for apt-ftparchive to regenerate the files it will do so, I believe [10:58] apt-ftparchives keeps updating them each time [10:59] possibly [10:59] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it basically tries not to do too much work [10:59] here i only have main [10:59] Kamion: the last comment on #2651 looks like it might be debian-installer releated? [11:00] Kamion: but even if i take the oldest xorg that hitted the archive.. it's like 14 days old [11:00] so i guess elmo has done some black magic [11:00] ;) [11:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: yeah, languagechooser is responsible for that $LANGUAGE setting [11:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: seems like intentional behaviour - AFAIK those languages are close enough that showing messages in the wrong one of them is better than showing no translation at all [11:06] Kamion: so I will explain that and tag "notabug" [11:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: I'm guessing it's falling back on a message-by-message basis when it can't find translations; complete the translations and it should go away [11:08] right, I think I found a new .no translator, let's see how fast he is :) [11:14] bob2: i've already fixed your xkb problem, without even needing to debug it on your laptop. how cool am I? [11:15] heh [11:21] fabbione: it's USN time again [11:21] daniels: i hate you [11:22] i hate me too === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] seb128: libpanel-applet2-dev -> libgnome-desktop-dev transition.. shouldn't the latter provide the former? [11:36] or do you plan to change build-deps on all of them? [11:37] which transition ? [11:37] there is a transition ? upstream ? [11:38] watch this: [11:38] Building Dependency Tree... [11:38] Package libpanel-applet2-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. [11:38] This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or [11:38] is only available from another source [11:38] However the following packages replace it: [11:39] libpanel-applet2-doc libgnome-desktop-dev [11:39] Are you sure that "Replaces" isn't just a file overwrite? [11:39] ii libpanel-applet2-dev 2.9.1-0ubuntu2 Library for GNOME 2 Panel applets - Development files [11:39] Package: gnome-panel [11:39] Binary: libpanel-applet2-dev, libpanel-applet2-doc, gnome-panel-data, libpanel-applet2-0, gnome-panel, libpanel-applet2-dbg [11:39] dunno how you get this [11:39] HMMMMM [11:40] i think wanna-build is on pure crack! [11:40] but this part has not changed for ages === Mitario [~michiel@62.58.176.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] hi everyone [11:42] seb128: thanks [11:43] np [11:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: you are my hero [11:51] bob2: i am my hero too [11:51] bob2: want to buy me some red bull? [11:53] bob2: edit /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/macintosh/us [11:53] bob2: after ~line 147, where it has the include statements, add 'include "srvr_ctrl(xfree86)"' after the existing two [11:56] bob2: then you should be able to do set xkbmap -symbols us [11:56] er [11:56] setxkbmap -symbols us [11:59] and hopefully it's not cached === nmf [~nmf@adsl-b4-66-254.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] sladen, ping? [12:10] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: if your fridge isn't full anymore, ok === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [~jbailey@dragonfly.fundserv.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] bob2: there's still a fair bit of dr pepper and some iced tea, but i've drunk all the red bull already [12:16] 'Ctrl-c will is appear to be Ctrl-Thaisaraae in case of th [12:16] keymap.' [12:16] control-what? [12:18] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) you know, the Thaisaraae key [12:18] daniels, Kamion: new d-i use of framebuffer breaks Xorg autodetection [12:18] daniels: the scripts enables the use of fb automatically when they find it [12:18] but than it fails to find the device [12:18] Kamion: btw.. hoary installed perfectly [12:18] (netinstall) [12:19] or netboot [12:19] or net [12:19] fabbione: huh? [12:19] more details dude [12:21]