| littlegreenman | i know where it is | 12:00 |
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| littlegreenman | but that whole svn is chinese to me | 12:00 |
| sivang | I know we have administrators for each language group, can't find that darn page though. | 12:01 |
| littlegreenman | i know you guys were having some kind of meeting today... i was busy doing other stuff | 12:01 |
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| littlegreenman | but i will talk to falco and we can work on the portuguese translation side of things | 12:02 |
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| sivang | littlegreenman : it was nothing formal, read the post on the ML :) | 12:04 |
| sivang | littlegreenman : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubVersion | 12:05 |
| sivang | use the part for repository users. | 12:05 |
| littlegreenman | sivang: sorry if i am asking things you guys have covered. but how is the whole ubuntu manual hornbeck was working on.... at what stage is this? | 12:06 |
| littlegreenman | is this being worked at? | 12:06 |
| sivang | we are integrating the hornbeck table of contents with the already available FAQ, | 12:08 |
| sivang | it already looks great :) | 12:08 |
| littlegreenman | :) | 12:08 |
| sivang | and even works great under the gnome help broswer | 12:08 |
| littlegreenman | yeah, the thing we were talking about... on the mailing list.... | 12:08 |
| sivang | No, proble for questions :) However, I will say good night for now :) unless you have anything urget :) | 12:09 |
| littlegreenman | and this is in the svn thingy, the hornbeck http:// ip address he gives? | 12:09 |
| littlegreenman | just that last q :D | 12:09 |
| littlegreenman | gotta go too... tomorrow is monday, gotta work | 12:09 |
| sivang | yes | 12:11 |
| sivang | It is, | 12:11 |
| sivang | it's available there for checkout | 12:11 |
| littlegreenman | okidoki | 12:12 |
| littlegreenman | bye bye | 12:12 |
| littlegreenman | take care | 12:13 |
| sivang | night! | 12:14 |
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| falco | well | 12:49 |
| falco | I'm leaving | 12:49 |
| falco | hasta people | 12:50 |
| robertj_afk | hornbeck, you here? | 01:30 |
| hornbeck | yes | 01:32 |
| robertj_afk | Whew, busy weekend, having a birthday is such a pain | 01:33 |
| hornbeck | I just got done replacing brakes on my wifes car | 01:34 |
| hornbeck | fun stuff | 01:34 |
| hornbeck | I am about to eat but I will be back in about 30 | 01:34 |
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| robertj | see you then | 01:36 |
| ggi | hi | 01:41 |
| ggi | I'm finally finished all the essays I've been bogged down with, and I'm wondering what I should start working on. | 01:42 |
| robertj | hornbeck: what are you using to build the docs? | 01:47 |
| robertj | ggi: Common Tasks listen to music is a good one | 01:56 |
| ggi | robertj: I'll take a look. | 01:58 |
| robertj | hornbeck: let me know when yo uget back | 02:09 |
| hornbeck | robertj: my wife wants me to go to the store with her | 02:12 |
| hornbeck | I am sorry | 02:12 |
| hornbeck | why not email me | 02:12 |
| hornbeck | hornbeck at freeshell dot org | 02:12 |
| hornbeck | that way we can work that way | 02:12 |
| robertj | wanted to just chat with you in person ;) | 02:12 |
| robertj | anyway, is there an yeasy way to build it as a single doc | 02:13 |
| hornbeck | have you heard all the stuff going on latly? | 02:13 |
| hornbeck | the book has been merged with the faq | 02:13 |
| hornbeck | it is all located at http://69.155.172.150/faq | 02:13 |
| robertj | so is edigint being done on the wiki? | 02:13 |
| hornbeck | it is all being done in docbook I think | 02:14 |
| hornbeck | I am really not sure | 02:14 |
| robertj | so is the stuff in svn deprecated? | 02:14 |
| hornbeck | it is in the faq svn repository | 02:15 |
| hornbeck | the book stuff from /book is no longer | 02:15 |
| hornbeck | do you read the mailing list? | 02:15 |
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| hornbeck | it is all in a mail from plovs called usersguide.xml | 02:16 |
| hornbeck | gotta go | 02:20 |
| hornbeck | be back later | 02:20 |
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| robertj | much better, the lack of a margin is bad though ;) | 02:22 |
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| Hoodster | ChrisH: I have a question... | 03:59 |
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| hornbeck | ChrisH: you here? | 04:34 |
| sivang | hi hornbeck, I'm here | 04:36 |
| hornbeck | hey | 04:36 |
| sivang | having trouble sleeping lately ... | 04:36 |
| sivang | :) | 04:36 |
| hornbeck | we are working toward Hoary with this new guide right? | 04:37 |
| sivang | yes :) | 04:38 |
| sivang | Finally we agreed , if I'm not mistaken. | 04:38 |
| hornbeck | ok, under system configuration in the new guide, do you think it should match up with the system configuration menu under computer? | 04:39 |
| sivang | lemme see. | 04:40 |
| hornbeck | it would make since, since we are calling it system configuration | 04:40 |
| sivang | I Know ChrisH has told me he wants to work on this section also | 04:41 |
| hornbeck | yeah I know he does | 04:41 |
| sivang | maybe you should be mailing him wait for his response on the morning? | 04:41 |
| sivang | or , UTC+2 morning :) | 04:42 |
| hornbeck | but in my old TOC it was identical to the Hoary System Configuration menu | 04:42 |
| hornbeck | thats why I was looking for him in here :-) | 04:42 |
| sivang | he's never here around these hours. | 04:42 |
| sivang | try maybe, | 04:42 |
| sivang | in about 5 more? | 04:43 |
| sivang | :) | 04:43 |
| sivang | is that reasonable for your timezone? | 04:43 |
| hornbeck | five more and I will be in bed | 04:43 |
| sivang | then 4? :) | 04:43 |
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| hornbeck | it is about 10 at night here? | 04:43 |
| sivang | you mean, for me? | 04:43 |
| hornbeck | sorry did not mean the ? | 04:43 |
| hornbeck | it is 10 at night here | 04:43 |
| sivang | ah I see. | 04:43 |
| sivang | it's 5:43am here :) | 04:43 |
| sivang | didn't sleep at all in the night.. | 04:44 |
| sivang | but sun hasn't come yet, | 04:44 |
| hornbeck | well it is really 9:43pm here | 04:44 |
| hornbeck | Sunday | 04:44 |
| sivang | You know what, mail me and him , I'll talk to him about it when I See him | 04:44 |
| sivang | what do you say? | 04:44 |
| hornbeck | well, I will start working on the Common Tasks section | 04:44 |
| hornbeck | see you tomorrow | 04:44 |
| sivang | have you mailed the list about it? | 04:44 |
| hornbeck | yeah, I just did | 04:45 |
| sivang | we all mailed the list with our intention on what to work. | 04:45 |
| sivang | ah ok | 04:45 |
| sivang | hreat! | 04:45 |
| sivang | great! | 04:45 |
| sivang | (damn the kbd) | 04:45 |
| hornbeck | of course for some reason the mail is not showing up | 04:45 |
| hornbeck | :-( | 04:45 |
| sivang | hmm lemme check | 04:45 |
| sivang | I think I got yours: | 04:45 |
| sivang | I will work on the Common Tasks. Also some sections was left out of | 04:45 |
| sivang | System Configuration, if we are working towards Hoary. I will add these | 04:45 |
| sivang | if that is alright. | 04:45 |
| sivang | John | 04:45 |
| hornbeck | I guess it did show up | 04:45 |
| sivang | yes I got it | 04:45 |
| hornbeck | kinda slow here I guess | 04:46 |
| sivang | maybe your getting lagged because of too many relay systems. | 04:46 |
| hornbeck | no one else took that did they? | 04:46 |
| hornbeck | maybe | 04:46 |
| sivang | I don't think so, | 04:46 |
| sivang | lemme check the list | 04:46 |
| hornbeck | my server is running slow | 04:46 |
| hornbeck | I may have missed some mail | 04:46 |
| sivang | Chris - I'll do the "System Configuration" part. | 04:47 |
| hornbeck | got that one | 04:47 |
| hornbeck | just you, plovs, and chris had posted about it right? | 04:47 |
| sivang | AP : I for one would like to start with: Part IV Software | 04:47 |
| sivang | yes | 04:47 |
| hornbeck | ok | 04:47 |
| sivang | and me, | 04:47 |
| hornbeck | than I have them all | 04:47 |
| sivang | the about and the background info | 04:47 |
| sivang | :) | 04:47 |
| hornbeck | is it all going to be one file? | 04:48 |
| sivang | Was great looking the TOC In yelp btw:) | 04:48 |
| sivang | the toc you worked, together with the more work AP and chris put into it - supreb | 04:48 |
| hornbeck | I had that running like three days ago :-) | 04:48 |
| sivang | now we just need to put content into it | 04:48 |
| sivang | :) | 04:48 |
| sivang | who was that guy you worked with on the toc? | 04:48 |
| sivang | we should get him here and help on the content part | 04:48 |
| hornbeck | robertj | 04:48 |
| hornbeck | he was here earlier but I had to run | 04:49 |
| hornbeck | he is not filled in, on this change I do not thing | 04:49 |
| hornbeck | think | 04:49 |
| sivang | I don't reckon it would be much of a problem, after all nothing hard was done :) | 04:49 |
| sivang | only good IMHO | 04:49 |
| hornbeck | I feel kinda bad though because he worked alot on that with me | 04:50 |
| sivang | we need to focus on lowered earth, trimmed down goals for haory, this is the major one, | 04:50 |
| sivang | and the 2 others are following, | 04:50 |
| sivang | so guess it looks good. | 04:50 |
| hornbeck | and we had plans to work on the wiki and the docbook at the same time and keep them both up to date with the same info | 04:50 |
| hornbeck | well, I am going to start working on this. Hopefully I will have a good amount of content in it this week | 04:51 |
| hornbeck | talk to you later | 04:51 |
| hornbeck | I like how he broke it all down into chapters | 04:52 |
| sivang | I see, well, the current suggestion is to use the wiki as an errata | 04:55 |
| sivang | which seems reasonable, what do you think? | 04:55 |
| sivang | It's too much work updating both the wiki and the dobook | 04:56 |
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| sivang | and we have it doc book, we could always publish "unstable" braches to the website | 04:56 |
| sivang | exported is plain HTML. | 04:56 |
| sivang | Is this acceptable? | 04:56 |
| hornbeck | yes, that is good | 05:09 |
| hornbeck | him and I had talked about that before all the talk of the wiki only being used for errata had been discussed | 05:09 |
| sivang | I meant unstable=stable | 05:11 |
| hornbeck | right | 05:21 |
| hornbeck | what does gnome-common do? | 05:21 |
| sivang | did you apt-cache gnome-common? | 05:24 |
| sivang | sorry, | 05:24 |
| sivang | apt-cache show gnome-common | 05:24 |
| hornbeck | nope? | 05:24 |
| hornbeck | that is neat | 05:24 |
| hornbeck | do you think it would hurt if I installed gnome-common from cvs so I can use yelp from cvs? | 05:25 |
| hornbeck | nevermind | 05:26 |
| hornbeck | using gnome-common from hoary let me build the new yelp | 05:26 |
| sivang | hornbeck : are you using jhbuild? | 05:29 |
| hornbeck | nope | 05:29 |
| hornbeck | I build all my own cvs stuff | 05:29 |
| hornbeck | I run alot of cvs | 05:29 |
| hornbeck | going to build evolution tonight | 05:29 |
| hornbeck | since the hoary evo does not work | 05:30 |
| sivang | you should use jhbuild | 05:30 |
| sivang | it is THE way to CVS :) | 05:30 |
| hornbeck | I don't like it | 05:30 |
| sivang | google for it, | 05:30 |
| hornbeck | I have used it before | 05:30 |
| sivang | what was wrong with it? | 05:30 |
| hornbeck | I used to use jhbuild and garnome | 05:30 |
| hornbeck | I just do things my way now | 05:30 |
| hornbeck | I have my own way of building | 05:30 |
| sivang | ./make install | 05:31 |
| sivang | ./mak | 05:31 |
| sivang | ? | 05:31 |
| sivang | what didn;t you like in it? | 05:31 |
| hornbeck | it always died on my | 05:31 |
| hornbeck | me | 05:31 |
| sivang | ah | 05:31 |
| hornbeck | I have not tried it for awhile though | 05:31 |
| hornbeck | maybe I will try it tonight | 05:32 |
| hornbeck | do you use it? | 05:32 |
| sivang | I used it to install yelp from cvs, | 05:32 |
| sivang | it just rulezed for this sole purpose | 05:32 |
| hornbeck | so you don't do a complete install with it? | 05:32 |
| sivang | I am trying, | 05:32 |
| hornbeck | nice | 05:32 |
| sivang | fd.o has been taken down to maintainance | 05:32 |
| sivang | after some compromise, | 05:32 |
| sivang | so it oculdn't install the whole gnome | 05:32 |
| sivang | but it's still working ! | 05:33 |
| hornbeck | does it install to /opt still | 05:33 |
| sivang | no, | 05:33 |
| sivang | you set up a prefix | 05:33 |
| sivang | and everything goes there, | 05:33 |
| hornbeck | that is cool | 05:33 |
| sivang | keeping your system intouched | 05:33 |
| sivang | untouched | 05:33 |
| sivang | yes | 05:33 |
| sivang | very much | 05:33 |
| sivang | I'm getting acquinted with the ways of the GNOME :) | 05:33 |
| hornbeck | I like to break my stuff to much | 05:33 |
| hornbeck | I have always ran the whole GNOME from cvs till Ubuntu | 05:33 |
| hornbeck | I ran gentoo with my own ebuilds | 05:34 |
| plovs | morning guys | 05:34 |
| hornbeck | morning | 05:34 |
| sivang | hey plovs! | 05:35 |
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| hornbeck | man beagle is rocking once again :-) | 05:35 |
| sivang | is it back in univesre? | 05:35 |
| plovs | hornbeck, good! | 05:35 |
| hornbeck | it never was in universe | 05:35 |
| plovs | sivang, i just too little | 05:35 |
| hornbeck | I need to make some beagle builds | 05:36 |
| hornbeck | but it is multiple binaries | 05:36 |
| plovs | hornbeck, how's evo? | 05:38 |
| hornbeck | broken | 05:38 |
| hornbeck | I am downloading the source from Ubuntu and the cvs so I can just roll my own binary | 05:39 |
| sivang | hornbeck : are you going to diff between the two and patch one? | 05:39 |
| hornbeck | yeah | 05:39 |
| hornbeck | is there a simple way to build debian packages? | 05:40 |
| sivang | I don't get it , could you please explain? how would that help you get a working evo? | 05:40 |
| hornbeck | like one command? | 05:40 |
| sivang | not exactly.. | 05:40 |
| sivang | the build command at the end if you require no special setups is ttrue one command, | 05:40 |
| sivang | but you must make some preperations for it. | 05:40 |
| sivang | read the NM's guide | 05:40 |
| sivang | it is a very nice intro to this,. | 05:41 |
| hornbeck | I have read it | 05:41 |
| hornbeck | I was just wondering if there was something easier | 05:41 |
| sivang | I this this is as easier as it gets.. | 05:43 |
| hornbeck | I did not know if some other method had come along | 05:46 |
| plovs | hornbeck, still need to rebuild the kernel for beagle? | 05:47 |
| hornbeck | yes | 05:48 |
| hornbeck | I have a prebuild on my server | 05:48 |
| hornbeck | if you want to try it, it is a stock kernel with inotify | 05:48 |
| hornbeck | stock ubuntu kernel with inotify | 05:49 |
| plovs | it's all the difference between rebuilding or not rebuilding | 05:49 |
| plovs | i liked it quite much without | 05:49 |
| plovs | why is inotify not yet in the kernel? | 05:49 |
| hornbeck | it will be in 2.6.10 from what I heard | 05:50 |
| hornbeck | I don't mind redoing the kernel, I have other stuff built in anyways | 05:50 |
| hornbeck | my laptop looks like crap with out the radion driver built in | 05:51 |
| plovs | i would like reiser4 and inotify | 05:51 |
| hornbeck | I am thinking of building Ubuntu Kernels with alot of patches and hosting them | 05:51 |
| plovs | for the rest i'm happy | 05:51 |
| hornbeck | alot of people want all the bells and whistles | 05:51 |
| plovs | hornbeck, well, if i can order, i need athlon with inotify as minimum, to go, please :-) | 05:52 |
| hornbeck | you want me to build you a kernel tonight? | 05:52 |
| plovs | hornbeck, if you've got the time sure, great (if not no prob) | 05:53 |
| plovs | ok, i'm of to make and have breakfast, bbl | 05:53 |
| sivang | hornbeck : take a look here also https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS | 05:53 |
| hornbeck | plovs I will build it while I am sleeping | 05:54 |
| hornbeck | all I have to do is change the arch | 05:54 |
| hornbeck | sivang thanks | 05:54 |
| hornbeck | check http://69.155.172.150/download in about 8 hours plovs | 05:55 |
| hornbeck | under athlon | 05:55 |
| hornbeck | you will be able to use download.opensoftdesign.org in about five hours | 06:04 |
| hornbeck | dns has to reset | 06:04 |
| plovs | hornbeck, great! | 06:47 |
| hornbeck | plovs: your kernel is building right now :-), and I am going to bed | 07:05 |
| (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) hornbeck, thanks, and good night | 07:07 | |
| hornbeck | plovs_work: you around? | 07:25 |
| hornbeck | your kernel is done :-) | 07:27 |
| hornbeck | ready when you need it | 07:27 |
| ChrisH | Moin, guys. I'm on sick leave. | 09:20 |
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| sid77 | hi | 10:18 |
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| (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH, too bad to hear you're sick hope you get well soon | 10:31 | |
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| lulu | hi all :o) | 12:33 |
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| ChrisH | lulu: Hey, lulu. :) | 12:48 |
| ChrisH | plovs_work: Thanks. But this way I have more time writing the docs while sitting on the couch with a laptop on the lap. | 12:49 |
| lulu | ChrisH: Hi Chris :o) | 12:49 |
| plovs_work | ChrisH, that's the plus of being sick | 12:50 |
| plovs_work | lulu, hi! | 12:50 |
| ChrisH | Yet another tonsillitis... :( | 12:52 |
| cenerentola | hi ya there.. | 12:52 |
| cenerentola | someone here knows how the wiki works? | 12:53 |
| cenerentola | and how is it being worked? | 12:53 |
| cenerentola | i "need" to know where i can find the exact dates of the conference | 12:54 |
| plovs_work | cenerentola, #ubuntu is for those kind of questions | 12:56 |
| cenerentola | sorry | 12:56 |
| lulu | cenerentola: on the front page of the website and where you put your name down for sponsorship - please read the website and search the wiki first...... | 12:56 |
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| falco | hi people | 01:33 |
| ChrisH | hi, falco | 01:35 |
| lulu | falco:hiya! | 01:35 |
| sivang | Hi All | 01:56 |
| Hoodster | Hi sivang | 01:56 |
| Hoodster | I can't stay, but I just want to wish everyone a great day! | 01:56 |
| falco | tanks, to you too | 01:58 |
| ChrisH | When do we apply for the "Friendliest Ubuntu Channel Award"? :) | 01:59 |
| sivang | I am setting up the competition as we speak...:) | 01:59 |
| sivang | Hey Lulu | 02:04 |
| lulu | sivang: hiya :o) | 02:17 |
| sivang | lulu : What do you think of our reorganization streamlined to several main doc feature goals? :) | 02:18 |
| hornbeck | morning | 02:20 |
| ChrisH | hornbeck: hey :) | 02:22 |
| lulu | sivang: great to have the focus - sorry - have all the doc tea emails still to catch up on. | 02:22 |
| lulu | hornbeck: hiya! | 02:22 |
| hornbeck | hows it going guys | 02:23 |
| lulu | guys - do we have docs for Windows users who want to convert to linux? and need some info/persuation? | 02:40 |
| lulu | persuasion....! | 02:41 |
| hornbeck | not that I know of | 02:42 |
| hornbeck | I think that is something being worked on | 02:42 |
| lulu | aah - just discovered - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxIntro which is a start... | 02:42 |
| lulu | hornbeck: thanks.....this would be worth expanding on... | 02:43 |
| ChrisH | Probably hard to convert Windows users when Ubuntu comes neither with a virus scanner nor a firewall. ;) | 02:43 |
| ChrisH | sivang: Aren't you preparing an introduction chapter in the handbook? Could be something to include there. | 02:43 |
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| sivang | <ChrisH> Probably hard to convert Windows users when Ubuntu comes neither with a virus scanner nor a firewall. ;) <=== LOLOLO | 02:54 |
| sivang | lulu : I am working on this, it's a basis for the ntro section of the guide. | 02:54 |
| sivang | anyway, I have to arrange some stuff, be back in an hour or so | 02:55 |
| lulu | sivang: great - I am adding a link suggestion.. | 02:56 |
| sivang_away | lulu : I'll talk to you in an hour or so :) this is only a very start part of it, this is a comprehensive background guide :) | 02:57 |
| lulu | ok! | 02:58 |
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| ggi | hornbeck: Are you around? | 05:09 |
| ChrisH | What happened to the screenshot tool in Hoary? I don't see it. And it's not part of gnome-panel either. | 06:24 |
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| ChrisH | Ah, seems to be bug 3556. :( | 06:54 |
| ggi | ChrisH: I remember seeing this on Planet GNOME. I think it's being rewritten: http://webwynk.net/jrb/#1100912296 | 07:00 |
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| sivang | Hi all again, back for a while. | 07:34 |
| ggi | Hello. Who do I ask for SVN commit access? hornbeck doesn't seem to be around. | 07:36 |
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| sivang | Let's see what with ChrisH, | 07:39 |
| sivang | maybe he can help with it | 07:39 |
| sivang | :) | 07:39 |
| sivang | ChrisH : how do we give svn accesses to our devoted contributors ? :) | 07:40 |
| ChrisH | sivang, ggi: Hornbeck must create the account. I can't help here. | 07:44 |
| sivang | ChrisH : ah ok. | 07:44 |
| ChrisH | sivang: It's a file in his local file system (/etc/subversion/passwd). Unless I hack his system there is no way. And he will probably not like that. :) | 07:44 |
| ggi | Grr. When is he usually active here? | 07:45 |
| sivang | ggi : he popps now and the, | 07:47 |
| sivang | you can always mail him on the list and see where that gets you | 07:47 |
| sivang | :) | 07:47 |
| sivang | I reckon it wouldn't take too long before you get acceess . | 07:47 |
| ggi | I suppose. I'll go mail him. | 07:48 |
| ChrisH | ggi: Every once in a while. :) | 07:48 |
| lulu | night guys - see you tomorrow :o) | 08:02 |
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