[12:00] <littlegreenman> i know where it is
[12:00] <littlegreenman> but that whole svn is chinese to me
[12:01] <sivang> I know we have administrators for each language group, can't find that darn page though.
[12:01] <littlegreenman> i know you guys were having some kind of meeting today... i was busy doing other stuff
[12:02] <littlegreenman> but i will talk to falco and we can work on the portuguese translation side of things
[12:04] <sivang> littlegreenman : it was nothing formal, read the post on the ML :)
[12:05] <sivang> littlegreenman : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubVersion
[12:05] <sivang> use the part for repository users.
[12:06] <littlegreenman> sivang: sorry if i am asking things you guys have covered. but how is the whole ubuntu manual hornbeck was working on.... at what stage is this?
[12:06] <littlegreenman> is this being worked at?
[12:08] <sivang> we are integrating the hornbeck table of contents with the already available FAQ,
[12:08] <sivang> it already looks great :)
[12:08] <littlegreenman> :) 
[12:08] <sivang> and even works great under the gnome help broswer
[12:08] <littlegreenman> yeah, the thing we were talking about... on the mailing list....
[12:09] <sivang> No, proble for questions :) However, I will say good night for now :) unless you have anything urget :)
[12:09] <littlegreenman> and this is in the svn thingy, the hornbeck http:// ip address he gives?
[12:09] <littlegreenman> just that last q :D
[12:09] <littlegreenman> gotta go too... tomorrow is monday, gotta work
[12:11] <sivang> yes
[12:11] <sivang> It is,
[12:11] <sivang> it's available there for checkout
[12:12] <littlegreenman> okidoki
[12:12] <littlegreenman> bye bye
[12:13] <littlegreenman> take care
[12:14] <sivang> night!
[12:49] <falco> well
[12:49] <falco> I'm leaving
[12:50] <falco> hasta people
[01:30] <robertj_afk> hornbeck, you here?
[01:32] <hornbeck> yes
[01:33] <robertj_afk> Whew, busy weekend, having a birthday is such a pain
[01:34] <hornbeck> I just got done replacing brakes on my wifes car
[01:34] <hornbeck> fun stuff
[01:34] <hornbeck> I am about to eat but I will be back in about 30
[01:36] <robertj> see you then
[01:41] <ggi> hi
[01:42] <ggi> I'm finally finished all the essays I've been bogged down with, and I'm wondering what I should start working on.
[01:47] <robertj> hornbeck: what are you using to build the docs?
[01:56] <robertj> ggi: Common Tasks listen to music is a good one
[01:58] <ggi> robertj: I'll take a look.
[02:09] <robertj> hornbeck: let me know when yo uget back
[02:12] <hornbeck> robertj: my wife wants me to go to the store with her
[02:12] <hornbeck> I am sorry
[02:12] <hornbeck> why not email me
[02:12] <hornbeck> hornbeck at freeshell dot org
[02:12] <hornbeck> that way we can work that way
[02:12] <robertj> wanted to just chat with you in person ;)
[02:13] <robertj> anyway, is there an yeasy way to build it as a single doc
[02:13] <hornbeck> have you heard all the stuff going on latly?
[02:13] <hornbeck> the book has been merged with the faq
[02:13] <hornbeck> it is all located at http://69.155.172.150/faq
[02:13] <robertj> so is edigint being done on the wiki?
[02:14] <hornbeck> it is all being done in docbook I think
[02:14] <hornbeck> I am really not sure
[02:14] <robertj> so is the stuff in svn deprecated?
[02:15] <hornbeck> it is in the faq svn repository
[02:15] <hornbeck> the book stuff from /book is no longer
[02:15] <hornbeck> do you read the mailing list?
[02:16] <hornbeck> it is all in a mail from plovs called usersguide.xml
[02:20] <hornbeck> gotta go
[02:20] <hornbeck> be back later
[02:22] <robertj> much better, the lack of a margin is bad though ;)
[03:59] <Hoodster> ChrisH: I have a question...
[04:34] <hornbeck> ChrisH: you here?
[04:36] <sivang> hi hornbeck, I'm here
[04:36] <hornbeck> hey
[04:36] <sivang> having trouble sleeping lately ...
[04:36] <sivang> :)
[04:37] <hornbeck> we are working toward Hoary with this new guide right?
[04:38] <sivang> yes :)
[04:38] <sivang> Finally we agreed , if I'm not mistaken.
[04:39] <hornbeck> ok, under system configuration in the new guide, do you think it should match up with the system configuration menu under computer?
[04:40] <sivang> lemme see.
[04:40] <hornbeck> it would make since, since we are calling it system configuration
[04:41] <sivang> I Know ChrisH has told me he wants to work on this section also
[04:41] <hornbeck> yeah I know he does
[04:41] <sivang> maybe you should be mailing him wait for his response on the morning?
[04:42] <sivang> or , UTC+2 morning :)
[04:42] <hornbeck> but in my old TOC it was identical to the Hoary System Configuration menu
[04:42] <hornbeck> thats why I was looking for him in here :-)
[04:42] <sivang> he's never here around these hours.
[04:42] <sivang> try maybe,
[04:43] <sivang> in about 5 more?
[04:43] <sivang> :)
[04:43] <sivang> is that reasonable for your timezone?
[04:43] <hornbeck> five more and I will be in bed
[04:43] <sivang> then 4? :)
[04:43] <hornbeck> it is about 10 at night here?
[04:43] <sivang> you mean, for me?
[04:43] <hornbeck> sorry did not mean the ?
[04:43] <hornbeck> it is 10 at night here
[04:43] <sivang> ah I see.
[04:43] <sivang> it's 5:43am here :)
[04:44] <sivang> didn't sleep at all in the night..
[04:44] <sivang> but sun hasn't come yet,
[04:44] <hornbeck> well it is really 9:43pm here
[04:44] <hornbeck> Sunday
[04:44] <sivang> You know what, mail me and him , I'll talk to him about it when I See him
[04:44] <sivang> what do you say?
[04:44] <hornbeck> well, I will start working on the Common Tasks section
[04:44] <hornbeck> see you tomorrow
[04:44] <sivang> have you mailed the list about it?
[04:45] <hornbeck> yeah, I just did
[04:45] <sivang> we all mailed the list with our intention on what to work.
[04:45] <sivang> ah ok
[04:45] <sivang> hreat!
[04:45] <sivang> great!
[04:45] <sivang> (damn the kbd)
[04:45] <hornbeck> of course for some reason the mail is not showing up
[04:45] <hornbeck> :-(
[04:45] <sivang> hmm lemme check
[04:45] <sivang> I think I got yours:
[04:45] <sivang> I will work on the Common Tasks.  Also some sections was left out of
[04:45] <sivang> System Configuration, if we are working towards Hoary.  I will add these
[04:45] <sivang> if that is alright.
[04:45] <sivang> John
[04:45] <hornbeck> I guess it did show up
[04:45] <sivang> yes I got it 
[04:46] <hornbeck> kinda slow here I guess
[04:46] <sivang> maybe your getting lagged because of too many relay systems.
[04:46] <hornbeck> no one else took that did they?
[04:46] <hornbeck> maybe
[04:46] <sivang> I don't think so,
[04:46] <sivang> lemme check the list
[04:46] <hornbeck> my server is running slow
[04:46] <hornbeck> I may have missed some mail
[04:47] <sivang> Chris - I'll do the "System Configuration" part.
[04:47] <hornbeck> got that one
[04:47] <hornbeck> just you, plovs, and chris had posted about it right?
[04:47] <sivang> AP : I for one would like to start with: Part IV  Software
[04:47] <sivang> yes
[04:47] <hornbeck> ok
[04:47] <sivang> and me,
[04:47] <hornbeck> than I have them all
[04:47] <sivang> the about and the background info
[04:47] <sivang> :)
[04:48] <hornbeck> is it all going to be one file?
[04:48] <sivang> Was great looking the TOC In yelp btw:)
[04:48] <sivang> the toc you worked, together with the more work AP and chris put into it - supreb
[04:48] <hornbeck> I had that running like three days ago :-)
[04:48] <sivang> now we just need to put content into it
[04:48] <sivang> :)
[04:48] <sivang> who was that guy you worked with on the toc?
[04:48] <sivang> we should get him here and help on the content part
[04:48] <hornbeck> robertj
[04:49] <hornbeck> he was here earlier but I had to run
[04:49] <hornbeck> he is not filled in, on this change I do not thing
[04:49] <hornbeck> think
[04:49] <sivang> I don't reckon it would be much of a problem, after all nothing hard was done :)
[04:49] <sivang> only good IMHO
[04:50] <hornbeck> I feel kinda bad though because he worked alot on that with me
[04:50] <sivang> we need to focus on lowered earth, trimmed down goals for haory, this is the major one,
[04:50] <sivang> and the 2 others are following,
[04:50] <sivang> so guess it looks good.
[04:50] <hornbeck> and we had plans to work on the wiki and the docbook at the same time and keep them both up to date with the same info
[04:51] <hornbeck> well, I am going to start working on this.  Hopefully I will have a good amount of content in it this week
[04:51] <hornbeck> talk to you later
[04:52] <hornbeck> I like how he broke it all down into chapters
[04:55] <sivang> I see, well, the current suggestion is to use the wiki as an errata
[04:55] <sivang> which seems reasonable, what do you think?
[04:56] <sivang> It's too much work updating both the wiki and the dobook
[04:56] <sivang> and we have it doc book, we could always publish "unstable" braches to the website
[04:56] <sivang> exported is plain HTML.
[04:56] <sivang> Is this acceptable?
[05:09] <hornbeck> yes, that is good
[05:09] <hornbeck> him and I had talked about that before all the talk of the wiki only being used for errata had been discussed
[05:11] <sivang> I meant unstable=stable
[05:21] <hornbeck> right
[05:21] <hornbeck> what does gnome-common do?
[05:24] <sivang> did you apt-cache gnome-common?
[05:24] <sivang> sorry,
[05:24] <sivang>  apt-cache show gnome-common
[05:24] <hornbeck> nope?
[05:24] <hornbeck> that is neat
[05:25] <hornbeck> do you think it would hurt if I installed gnome-common from cvs so I can use yelp from cvs?
[05:26] <hornbeck> nevermind
[05:26] <hornbeck> using gnome-common from hoary let me build the new yelp
[05:29] <sivang> hornbeck : are you using jhbuild?
[05:29] <hornbeck> nope
[05:29] <hornbeck> I build all my own cvs stuff
[05:29] <hornbeck> I run alot of cvs
[05:29] <hornbeck> going to build evolution tonight
[05:30] <hornbeck> since the hoary evo does not work
[05:30] <sivang> you should use jhbuild
[05:30] <sivang> it is THE way to CVS :)
[05:30] <hornbeck> I don't like it
[05:30] <sivang> google for it,
[05:30] <hornbeck> I have used it before
[05:30] <sivang> what was wrong with it?
[05:30] <hornbeck> I used to use jhbuild and garnome
[05:30] <hornbeck> I just do things my way now
[05:30] <hornbeck> I have my own way of building
[05:31] <sivang> ./make install
[05:31] <sivang> ./mak
[05:31] <sivang> ?
[05:31] <sivang> what didn;t you like in it?
[05:31] <hornbeck> it always died on my
[05:31] <hornbeck> me
[05:31] <sivang> ah
[05:31] <hornbeck> I have not tried it for awhile though
[05:32] <hornbeck> maybe I will try it tonight
[05:32] <hornbeck> do you use it?
[05:32] <sivang> I used it to install yelp from cvs,
[05:32] <sivang> it just rulezed for this sole purpose
[05:32] <hornbeck> so you don't do a complete install with it?
[05:32] <sivang> I am trying,
[05:32] <hornbeck> nice
[05:32] <sivang> fd.o has been taken down to maintainance
[05:32] <sivang> after some compromise,
[05:32] <sivang> so it oculdn't install the whole gnome
[05:33] <sivang> but it's still working !
[05:33] <hornbeck> does it install to /opt still
[05:33] <sivang> no,
[05:33] <sivang> you set up a prefix
[05:33] <sivang> and everything goes there,
[05:33] <hornbeck> that is cool
[05:33] <sivang> keeping your system intouched
[05:33] <sivang> untouched
[05:33] <sivang> yes
[05:33] <sivang> very much
[05:33] <sivang> I'm getting acquinted with the ways of the GNOME :)
[05:33] <hornbeck> I like to break my stuff to much
[05:33] <hornbeck> I have always ran the whole GNOME from cvs till Ubuntu
[05:34] <hornbeck> I ran gentoo with my own ebuilds
[05:34] <plovs> morning guys
[05:34] <hornbeck> morning
[05:35] <sivang> hey plovs!
[05:35] <hornbeck> man beagle is rocking once again :-)
[05:35] <sivang> is it back in univesre?
[05:35] <plovs> hornbeck, good!
[05:35] <hornbeck> it never was in universe
[05:35] <plovs> sivang, i just too little
[05:36] <hornbeck> I need to make some beagle builds
[05:36] <hornbeck> but it is multiple binaries
[05:38] <plovs> hornbeck, how's evo?
[05:38] <hornbeck> broken
[05:39] <hornbeck> I am downloading the source from Ubuntu and the cvs so I can just roll my own binary
[05:39] <sivang> hornbeck : are you going to diff between the two and patch one?
[05:39] <hornbeck> yeah
[05:40] <hornbeck> is there a simple way to build debian packages?
[05:40] <sivang> I don't get it , could you please explain? how would that help you get a working evo?
[05:40] <hornbeck> like one command?
[05:40] <sivang> not exactly..
[05:40] <sivang> the build command at the end if you require no special setups is ttrue one command,
[05:40] <sivang> but you must make some preperations for it.
[05:40] <sivang> read the NM's guide
[05:41] <sivang> it is a very nice intro to this,.
[05:41] <hornbeck> I have read it
[05:41] <hornbeck> I was just wondering if there was something easier
[05:43] <sivang> I this this is as easier as it gets..
[05:46] <hornbeck> I did not know if some other method had come along
[05:47] <plovs> hornbeck, still need to rebuild the kernel for beagle?
[05:48] <hornbeck> yes
[05:48] <hornbeck> I have a prebuild on my server
[05:48] <hornbeck> if you want to try it, it is a stock kernel with inotify
[05:49] <hornbeck> stock ubuntu kernel with inotify
[05:49] <plovs> it's all the difference between rebuilding or not rebuilding
[05:49] <plovs> i liked it quite much without
[05:49] <plovs> why is inotify not yet in the kernel?
[05:50] <hornbeck> it will be in 2.6.10 from what I heard
[05:50] <hornbeck> I don't mind redoing the kernel, I have other stuff built in anyways
[05:51] <hornbeck> my laptop looks like crap with out the radion driver built in
[05:51] <plovs> i would like reiser4 and inotify
[05:51] <hornbeck> I am thinking of building Ubuntu Kernels with alot of patches and hosting them
[05:51] <plovs> for the rest i'm happy
[05:51] <hornbeck> alot of people want all the bells and whistles
[05:52] <plovs> hornbeck, well, if i can order, i need athlon with inotify as minimum, to go, please :-)
[05:52] <hornbeck> you want me to build you a kernel tonight?
[05:53] <plovs> hornbeck, if you've got the time sure, great (if not no prob)
[05:53] <plovs> ok, i'm of to make and have breakfast, bbl
[05:53] <sivang> hornbeck : take a look here also https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS
[05:54] <hornbeck> plovs I will build it while I am sleeping
[05:54] <hornbeck> all I have to do is change the arch
[05:54] <hornbeck> sivang thanks
[05:55] <hornbeck> check http://69.155.172.150/download in about 8 hours plovs
[05:55] <hornbeck> under athlon
[06:04] <hornbeck> you will be able to use download.opensoftdesign.org in about five hours
[06:04] <hornbeck> dns has to reset
[06:47] <plovs> hornbeck, great!
[07:05] <hornbeck> plovs: your kernel is building right now :-), and I am going to bed
[07:07] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) hornbeck, thanks, and good night
[07:25] <hornbeck> plovs_work: you around?
[07:27] <hornbeck> your kernel is done :-)
[07:27] <hornbeck> ready when you need it
[09:20] <ChrisH> Moin, guys. I'm on sick leave.
[10:18] <sid77> hi
[10:31] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH, too bad to hear you're sick hope you get well soon
[12:33] <lulu> hi all :o)
[12:48] <ChrisH> lulu: Hey, lulu. :)
[12:49] <ChrisH> plovs_work: Thanks. But this way I have more time writing the docs while sitting on the couch with a laptop on the lap.
[12:49] <lulu> ChrisH: Hi Chris :o)
[12:50] <plovs_work> ChrisH, that's the plus of being sick
[12:50] <plovs_work> lulu, hi!
[12:52] <ChrisH> Yet another tonsillitis... :(
[12:52] <cenerentola> hi ya there..
[12:53] <cenerentola> someone here knows how the wiki works?
[12:53] <cenerentola> and how is it being worked?
[12:54] <cenerentola> i "need" to know where i can find the exact dates of the conference
[12:56] <plovs_work> cenerentola, #ubuntu is for those kind of questions
[12:56] <cenerentola> sorry
[12:56] <lulu> cenerentola: on the front page of the website and where you put your name down for sponsorship - please read the website and search the wiki first......
[01:33] <falco> hi people
[01:35] <ChrisH> hi, falco 
[01:35] <lulu> falco:hiya!
[01:56] <sivang> Hi All
[01:56] <Hoodster> Hi sivang
[01:56] <Hoodster> I can't stay, but I just want to wish everyone a great day!
[01:58] <falco> tanks, to you too
[01:59] <ChrisH> When do we apply for the "Friendliest Ubuntu Channel Award"? :)
[01:59] <sivang> I am setting up the competition as we speak...:)
[02:04] <sivang> Hey Lulu
[02:17] <lulu> sivang: hiya :o)
[02:18] <sivang> lulu : What do you think of our reorganization streamlined to several main doc feature goals? :)
[02:20] <hornbeck> morning
[02:22] <ChrisH> hornbeck: hey :)
[02:22] <lulu> sivang: great to have the focus - sorry - have all the doc tea emails still to catch up on.
[02:22] <lulu> hornbeck: hiya!
[02:23] <hornbeck> hows it going guys
[02:40] <lulu> guys - do we have docs for Windows users who want to convert to linux? and need some info/persuation?
[02:41] <lulu> persuasion....!
[02:42] <hornbeck> not that I know of
[02:42] <hornbeck> I think that is something being worked on
[02:42] <lulu> aah - just discovered - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxIntro which  is a start...
[02:43] <lulu> hornbeck: thanks.....this would be worth expanding on...
[02:43] <ChrisH> Probably hard to convert Windows users when Ubuntu comes neither with a virus scanner nor a firewall. ;)
[02:43] <ChrisH> sivang: Aren't you preparing an introduction chapter in the handbook? Could be something to include there.
 Probably hard to convert Windows users when Ubuntu comes neither with a virus scanner nor a firewall. ;) <[02:54] <sivang> lulu : I am working on this, it's a basis for the ntro section of the guide.
[02:55] <sivang> anyway, I have to arrange some stuff, be back in an hour or so
[02:56] <lulu> sivang: great - I am adding a link suggestion..
[02:57] <sivang_away> lulu : I'll talk to you in an hour or so :) this is only a very start part of it, this is a comprehensive background guide :)
[02:58] <lulu> ok!
[05:09] <ggi> hornbeck: Are you around?
[06:24] <ChrisH> What happened to the screenshot tool in Hoary? I don't see it. And it's not part of gnome-panel either.
[06:54] <ChrisH> Ah, seems to be bug 3556. :(
[07:00] <ggi> ChrisH: I remember seeing this on Planet GNOME. I think it's being rewritten: http://webwynk.net/jrb/#1100912296
[07:34] <sivang> Hi all again, back for a while.
[07:36] <ggi> Hello. Who do I ask for SVN commit access? hornbeck doesn't seem to be around.
[07:39] <sivang> Let's see what with ChrisH,
[07:39] <sivang> maybe he can help with it
[07:39] <sivang> :)
[07:40] <sivang> ChrisH : how do we give svn accesses to our devoted contributors ? :)
[07:44] <ChrisH> sivang, ggi: Hornbeck must create the account. I can't help here.
[07:44] <sivang> ChrisH : ah ok.
[07:44] <ChrisH> sivang: It's a file in his local file system (/etc/subversion/passwd). Unless I hack his system there is no way. And he will probably not like that. :)
[07:45] <ggi> Grr. When is he usually active here?
[07:47] <sivang> ggi : he popps now and the,
[07:47] <sivang> you can always mail him on the list and see where that gets you
[07:47] <sivang> :)
[07:47] <sivang> I reckon it wouldn't take too long before you get acceess .
[07:48] <ggi> I suppose. I'll go mail him.
[07:48] <ChrisH> ggi: Every once in a while. :)
[08:02] <lulu> night guys - see you tomorrow :o)