[12:00] i know where it is [12:00] but that whole svn is chinese to me [12:01] I know we have administrators for each language group, can't find that darn page though. [12:01] i know you guys were having some kind of meeting today... i was busy doing other stuff === littlegreenman watching football :D [12:02] but i will talk to falco and we can work on the portuguese translation side of things === littlegreenman just came home and had 1 too many beers btw === sm-away [~simon@lsanca1.ar5-4.15.64.42.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:04] littlegreenman : it was nothing formal, read the post on the ML :) [12:05] littlegreenman : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SubVersion [12:05] use the part for repository users. [12:06] sivang: sorry if i am asking things you guys have covered. but how is the whole ubuntu manual hornbeck was working on.... at what stage is this? [12:06] is this being worked at? [12:08] we are integrating the hornbeck table of contents with the already available FAQ, [12:08] it already looks great :) [12:08] :) [12:08] and even works great under the gnome help broswer [12:08] yeah, the thing we were talking about... on the mailing list.... [12:09] No, proble for questions :) However, I will say good night for now :) unless you have anything urget :) [12:09] and this is in the svn thingy, the hornbeck http:// ip address he gives? [12:09] just that last q :D [12:09] gotta go too... tomorrow is monday, gotta work [12:11] yes [12:11] It is, [12:11] it's available there for checkout [12:12] okidoki [12:12] bye bye [12:13] take care [12:14] night! === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [12:49] well [12:49] I'm leaving [12:50] hasta people [01:30] hornbeck, you here? [01:32] yes [01:33] Whew, busy weekend, having a birthday is such a pain [01:34] I just got done replacing brakes on my wifes car [01:34] fun stuff [01:34] I am about to eat but I will be back in about 30 === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:36] see you then [01:41] hi [01:42] I'm finally finished all the essays I've been bogged down with, and I'm wondering what I should start working on. [01:47] hornbeck: what are you using to build the docs? [01:56] ggi: Common Tasks listen to music is a good one [01:58] robertj: I'll take a look. [02:09] hornbeck: let me know when yo uget back [02:12] robertj: my wife wants me to go to the store with her [02:12] I am sorry [02:12] why not email me [02:12] hornbeck at freeshell dot org [02:12] that way we can work that way [02:12] wanted to just chat with you in person ;) [02:13] anyway, is there an yeasy way to build it as a single doc [02:13] have you heard all the stuff going on latly? [02:13] the book has been merged with the faq [02:13] it is all located at http://69.155.172.150/faq [02:13] so is edigint being done on the wiki? [02:14] it is all being done in docbook I think [02:14] I am really not sure [02:14] so is the stuff in svn deprecated? [02:15] it is in the faq svn repository [02:15] the book stuff from /book is no longer [02:15] do you read the mailing list? === robertj goes to read [02:16] it is all in a mail from plovs called usersguide.xml [02:20] gotta go [02:20] be back later === robertj makes [02:22] much better, the lack of a margin is bad though ;) === adgf [~adgf@h00a0cc687033.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Sleep-me-need"] [03:59] ChrisH: I have a question... === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:34] ChrisH: you here? [04:36] hi hornbeck, I'm here [04:36] hey [04:36] having trouble sleeping lately ... [04:36] :) [04:37] we are working toward Hoary with this new guide right? [04:38] yes :) [04:38] Finally we agreed , if I'm not mistaken. [04:39] ok, under system configuration in the new guide, do you think it should match up with the system configuration menu under computer? [04:40] lemme see. [04:40] it would make since, since we are calling it system configuration [04:41] I Know ChrisH has told me he wants to work on this section also [04:41] yeah I know he does [04:41] maybe you should be mailing him wait for his response on the morning? [04:42] or , UTC+2 morning :) [04:42] but in my old TOC it was identical to the Hoary System Configuration menu [04:42] thats why I was looking for him in here :-) [04:42] he's never here around these hours. [04:42] try maybe, [04:43] in about 5 more? [04:43] :) [04:43] is that reasonable for your timezone? [04:43] five more and I will be in bed [04:43] then 4? :) === sivang tries [04:43] it is about 10 at night here? [04:43] you mean, for me? [04:43] sorry did not mean the ? [04:43] it is 10 at night here [04:43] ah I see. [04:43] it's 5:43am here :) [04:44] didn't sleep at all in the night.. [04:44] but sun hasn't come yet, [04:44] well it is really 9:43pm here [04:44] Sunday [04:44] You know what, mail me and him , I'll talk to him about it when I See him [04:44] what do you say? [04:44] well, I will start working on the Common Tasks section [04:44] see you tomorrow [04:44] have you mailed the list about it? [04:45] yeah, I just did [04:45] we all mailed the list with our intention on what to work. [04:45] ah ok [04:45] hreat! [04:45] great! [04:45] (damn the kbd) [04:45] of course for some reason the mail is not showing up [04:45] :-( [04:45] hmm lemme check [04:45] I think I got yours: [04:45] I will work on the Common Tasks. Also some sections was left out of [04:45] System Configuration, if we are working towards Hoary. I will add these [04:45] if that is alright. [04:45] John [04:45] I guess it did show up [04:45] yes I got it [04:46] kinda slow here I guess [04:46] maybe your getting lagged because of too many relay systems. [04:46] no one else took that did they? [04:46] maybe [04:46] I don't think so, [04:46] lemme check the list [04:46] my server is running slow [04:46] I may have missed some mail [04:47] Chris - I'll do the "System Configuration" part. [04:47] got that one [04:47] just you, plovs, and chris had posted about it right? [04:47] AP : I for one would like to start with: Part IV Software [04:47] yes [04:47] ok [04:47] and me, [04:47] than I have them all [04:47] the about and the background info [04:47] :) [04:48] is it all going to be one file? [04:48] Was great looking the TOC In yelp btw:) [04:48] the toc you worked, together with the more work AP and chris put into it - supreb [04:48] I had that running like three days ago :-) [04:48] now we just need to put content into it [04:48] :) [04:48] who was that guy you worked with on the toc? [04:48] we should get him here and help on the content part [04:48] robertj [04:49] he was here earlier but I had to run [04:49] he is not filled in, on this change I do not thing [04:49] think [04:49] I don't reckon it would be much of a problem, after all nothing hard was done :) [04:49] only good IMHO [04:50] I feel kinda bad though because he worked alot on that with me [04:50] we need to focus on lowered earth, trimmed down goals for haory, this is the major one, [04:50] and the 2 others are following, [04:50] so guess it looks good. [04:50] and we had plans to work on the wiki and the docbook at the same time and keep them both up to date with the same info [04:51] well, I am going to start working on this. Hopefully I will have a good amount of content in it this week [04:51] talk to you later [04:52] I like how he broke it all down into chapters [04:55] I see, well, the current suggestion is to use the wiki as an errata [04:55] which seems reasonable, what do you think? [04:56] It's too much work updating both the wiki and the dobook === sm-away is now known as sm [04:56] and we have it doc book, we could always publish "unstable" braches to the website [04:56] exported is plain HTML. [04:56] Is this acceptable? [05:09] yes, that is good [05:09] him and I had talked about that before all the talk of the wiki only being used for errata had been discussed [05:11] I meant unstable=stable [05:21] right [05:21] what does gnome-common do? [05:24] did you apt-cache gnome-common? [05:24] sorry, [05:24] apt-cache show gnome-common [05:24] nope? [05:24] that is neat [05:25] do you think it would hurt if I installed gnome-common from cvs so I can use yelp from cvs? [05:26] nevermind [05:26] using gnome-common from hoary let me build the new yelp [05:29] hornbeck : are you using jhbuild? [05:29] nope [05:29] I build all my own cvs stuff [05:29] I run alot of cvs [05:29] going to build evolution tonight [05:30] since the hoary evo does not work [05:30] you should use jhbuild [05:30] it is THE way to CVS :) [05:30] I don't like it [05:30] google for it, [05:30] I have used it before [05:30] what was wrong with it? [05:30] I used to use jhbuild and garnome [05:30] I just do things my way now [05:30] I have my own way of building [05:31] ./make install [05:31] ./mak [05:31] ? [05:31] what didn;t you like in it? [05:31] it always died on my [05:31] me [05:31] ah [05:31] I have not tried it for awhile though [05:32] maybe I will try it tonight [05:32] do you use it? [05:32] I used it to install yelp from cvs, [05:32] it just rulezed for this sole purpose [05:32] so you don't do a complete install with it? [05:32] I am trying, [05:32] nice [05:32] fd.o has been taken down to maintainance [05:32] after some compromise, [05:32] so it oculdn't install the whole gnome [05:33] but it's still working ! [05:33] does it install to /opt still [05:33] no, [05:33] you set up a prefix [05:33] and everything goes there, [05:33] that is cool [05:33] keeping your system intouched [05:33] untouched [05:33] yes [05:33] very much [05:33] I'm getting acquinted with the ways of the GNOME :) [05:33] I like to break my stuff to much [05:33] I have always ran the whole GNOME from cvs till Ubuntu [05:34] I ran gentoo with my own ebuilds [05:34] morning guys [05:34] morning [05:35] hey plovs! === sivang didn't sleep at all [05:35] man beagle is rocking once again :-) [05:35] is it back in univesre? [05:35] hornbeck, good! [05:35] it never was in universe [05:35] sivang, i just too little [05:36] I need to make some beagle builds [05:36] but it is multiple binaries [05:38] hornbeck, how's evo? [05:38] broken [05:39] I am downloading the source from Ubuntu and the cvs so I can just roll my own binary [05:39] hornbeck : are you going to diff between the two and patch one? [05:39] yeah [05:40] is there a simple way to build debian packages? [05:40] I don't get it , could you please explain? how would that help you get a working evo? [05:40] like one command? [05:40] not exactly.. [05:40] the build command at the end if you require no special setups is ttrue one command, [05:40] but you must make some preperations for it. [05:40] read the NM's guide [05:41] it is a very nice intro to this,. [05:41] I have read it [05:41] I was just wondering if there was something easier [05:43] I this this is as easier as it gets.. [05:46] I did not know if some other method had come along [05:47] hornbeck, still need to rebuild the kernel for beagle? [05:48] yes [05:48] I have a prebuild on my server [05:48] if you want to try it, it is a stock kernel with inotify [05:49] stock ubuntu kernel with inotify [05:49] it's all the difference between rebuilding or not rebuilding [05:49] i liked it quite much without [05:49] why is inotify not yet in the kernel? [05:50] it will be in 2.6.10 from what I heard [05:50] I don't mind redoing the kernel, I have other stuff built in anyways [05:51] my laptop looks like crap with out the radion driver built in [05:51] i would like reiser4 and inotify [05:51] I am thinking of building Ubuntu Kernels with alot of patches and hosting them [05:51] for the rest i'm happy [05:51] alot of people want all the bells and whistles [05:52] hornbeck, well, if i can order, i need athlon with inotify as minimum, to go, please :-) [05:52] you want me to build you a kernel tonight? [05:53] hornbeck, if you've got the time sure, great (if not no prob) [05:53] ok, i'm of to make and have breakfast, bbl [05:53] hornbeck : take a look here also https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS [05:54] plovs I will build it while I am sleeping [05:54] all I have to do is change the arch [05:54] sivang thanks [05:55] check http://69.155.172.150/download in about 8 hours plovs [05:55] under athlon [06:04] you will be able to use download.opensoftdesign.org in about five hours [06:04] dns has to reset [06:47] hornbeck, great! [07:05] plovs: your kernel is building right now :-), and I am going to bed [07:07] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) hornbeck, thanks, and good night [07:25] plovs_work: you around? [07:27] your kernel is done :-) [07:27] ready when you need it [09:20] Moin, guys. I'm on sick leave. === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:18] hi === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:31] (plovs_work/#ubuntu-doc) ChrisH, too bad to hear you're sick hope you get well soon === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === falco [~Jail@a212-113-181-115.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:33] hi all :o) === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.211] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:48] lulu: Hey, lulu. :) [12:49] plovs_work: Thanks. But this way I have more time writing the docs while sitting on the couch with a laptop on the lap. [12:49] ChrisH: Hi Chris :o) [12:50] ChrisH, that's the plus of being sick [12:50] lulu, hi! [12:52] Yet another tonsillitis... :( [12:52] hi ya there.. [12:53] someone here knows how the wiki works? [12:53] and how is it being worked? [12:54] i "need" to know where i can find the exact dates of the conference [12:56] cenerentola, #ubuntu is for those kind of questions [12:56] sorry [12:56] cenerentola: on the front page of the website and where you put your name down for sponsorship - please read the website and search the wiki first...... === sid77 [~sid77@host99-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 ciao [01:33] hi people [01:35] hi, falco [01:35] falco:hiya! [01:56] Hi All [01:56] Hi sivang [01:56] I can't stay, but I just want to wish everyone a great day! [01:58] tanks, to you too [01:59] When do we apply for the "Friendliest Ubuntu Channel Award"? :) [01:59] I am setting up the competition as we speak...:) [02:04] Hey Lulu [02:17] sivang: hiya :o) [02:18] lulu : What do you think of our reorganization streamlined to several main doc feature goals? :) [02:20] morning [02:22] hornbeck: hey :) [02:22] sivang: great to have the focus - sorry - have all the doc tea emails still to catch up on. [02:22] hornbeck: hiya! [02:23] hows it going guys [02:40] guys - do we have docs for Windows users who want to convert to linux? and need some info/persuation? [02:41] persuasion....! [02:42] not that I know of [02:42] I think that is something being worked on [02:42] aah - just discovered - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LinuxIntro which is a start... [02:43] hornbeck: thanks.....this would be worth expanding on... [02:43] Probably hard to convert Windows users when Ubuntu comes neither with a virus scanner nor a firewall. ;) [02:43] sivang: Aren't you preparing an introduction chapter in the handbook? Could be something to include there. === ChrisH is rebooting === hornbeck is going to buy a new car now :-) [02:54] Probably hard to convert Windows users when Ubuntu comes neither with a virus scanner nor a firewall. ;) <=== LOLOLO [02:54] lulu : I am working on this, it's a basis for the ntro section of the guide. [02:55] anyway, I have to arrange some stuff, be back in an hour or so [02:56] sivang: great - I am adding a link suggestion.. [02:57] lulu : I'll talk to you in an hour or so :) this is only a very start part of it, this is a comprehensive background guide :) [02:58] ok! === ChrisH [~chaas@212.12.58.114] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rcaskey [~rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ggi [~ggi@ggi.base.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:09] hornbeck: Are you around? [06:24] What happened to the screenshot tool in Hoary? I don't see it. And it's not part of gnome-panel either. === sm is now known as sm-away [06:54] Ah, seems to be bug 3556. :( [07:00] ChrisH: I remember seeing this on Planet GNOME. I think it's being rewritten: http://webwynk.net/jrb/#1100912296 === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:34] Hi all again, back for a while. [07:36] Hello. Who do I ask for SVN commit access? hornbeck doesn't seem to be around. === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-142.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] Let's see what with ChrisH, [07:39] maybe he can help with it [07:39] :) [07:40] ChrisH : how do we give svn accesses to our devoted contributors ? :) [07:44] sivang, ggi: Hornbeck must create the account. I can't help here. [07:44] ChrisH : ah ok. [07:44] sivang: It's a file in his local file system (/etc/subversion/passwd). Unless I hack his system there is no way. And he will probably not like that. :) [07:45] Grr. When is he usually active here? [07:47] ggi : he popps now and the, [07:47] you can always mail him on the list and see where that gets you [07:47] :) [07:47] I reckon it wouldn't take too long before you get acceess . [07:48] I suppose. I'll go mail him. [07:48] ggi: Every once in a while. :) [08:02] night guys - see you tomorrow :o) === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.239] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm-away is now known as sm === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc