[12:02] <kensai> How do I prevent riva module from loading in the kernel. When I was installing Nvidia driver it said this could be a problem
[12:03] (mjr/#ubuntu) add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:05] <kensai> ?
[12:06] <will> gnite ppl
[12:07] <ramzez> how can delete directory which have files?
[12:07] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) rm -r
[12:08] <ramzez> thanks HrdwBob, i thout -d
[12:08] <Chibi> http://studiochibico.com/xfce/Xfce-dusk.tar.gz <- Quick dark theme I did using the XFCE engine, if anyone wants it D:
[12:08] <Ty_Leeds> How do I install the kernel sources for WartyWarthog (I woulda used the forums, but they seem down)
[12:08] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ramzez: that will delete a directory iirc, but not if it has files
[12:08] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) -r is recurse
[12:09] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Ty_Leeds: linux-source-2.6.8.1
[12:10] <Ty_Leeds> Ahh. Thanks
[12:10] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no problem
[12:11] <Ty_Leeds> I think i'm a convert to ubuntu... I'm actually liking it more than suse and fedora..
[12:11] <Ty_Leeds> *course, I've always been a gnome whore*
[12:11] <gen> good, you should ty_leeds
[12:11] <gen> :)
[12:11] <ramzez> looks like it will take sometime to learn linux after windows, i just hope all my hardware will work :-)
[12:11] <Ty_Leeds> I'm in love with synaptic... that's the nicest piece of software I've ever seen for linux
[12:12] <mass> is there an update agent for apt?
[12:12] <s0cks> I'm in love with the custom built kernel that I am leaving when I reformat to install ubuntu
[12:12] <mass> s0cks: I'm in love with the custom built kernel I just created so I can run ubuntu ;-)
[12:13] <gen> haha
[12:13] <cardador> has anyone tried xfishtank in ubuntu? its an aquarium for the desktop. It does not work!
[12:13] <s0cks> I am going to use the stock kernel for a bit until I get used to it,
[12:13] <Ty_Leeds> >socks .. Heh. me too.. I had just gotten my fedora system where I liked it..
[12:13] <ramzez> is there a simple way to update firefox thru apt?
[12:13] <Chibi> Yes.
[12:13] <s0cks> Ty_Leeds : My server runs Fedora
[12:13] <Chibi> apt-get update :P
[12:14] <Ty_Leeds> >ramzez, I don't think there's a 1.0final package on the main apt lists yet.
[12:14] <gen> there is in hoary
[12:14] <Ty_Leeds> ha
[12:14] <Ty_Leeds> ...err..ah
[12:14] <Chibi> Switch to hoary, upgrade single package, switch back.
[12:14] <mass> you can also do creative things with /etc/apt/preferences
[12:15] <Ty_Leeds> >socks Fedora is really nice (Especially core3) but I find it a bit bloaty
[12:15] <mroth> whats the general consensus on using a SMP kernel-image on a single HT processor?
[12:15] <Chibi> And while you're there, stab the gtk2 package maintainer for switching the gtk version to 2.5
[12:15] <s0cks> Ty_Leeds : We will see, but I am probably leaving it Fedora 2, because I can't take it down for an extended time.
[12:16] (mjr/#ubuntu) mroth, I'd use it; may help a bit, don't expect too much though
[12:16] <mroth> yeah, i was just making sure there wasnt some weird incompatibility I wasnt aware off
[12:17] <mroth> i havent kept up with kernel 2.6 issues as much as I should
[12:17] <ramzez> ok, i will try do i need simply to change the word warty hoary?
[12:17] (mjr/#ubuntu) nah, works fine
[12:17] <JStrike> ramzez : Computer -> System Configuration -> Synaptic Package Manager. Search for FireFox and upgrade or choose upgrade all
[12:18] <JStrike> ramzez : Dont run Hoary unless you are very familiar with Linux and things breaking
[12:18] <cardador> JStrike: upgraded it now, and synaptic disappeared from the menu :)
[12:18] <mass> my reboot process is getting slower and slower as I add more reiser-formatted raids to load on start :)
[12:18] <ramzez> today is my first time, i guess better to stay as it is, now i am updating it thru synoptic
[12:19] <ramzez> but i don't think firefox had version 1.0
[12:19] <JStrike> cardador : Upgraded to Hoary?
[12:20] <JStrike> mass : That is what happens to people who have way to much hardware
[12:20] <cardador> JStrike: i have hoary from the start, but after todays update synaptic vanished of the menu
[12:20] <JStrike> Tut, tut
[12:20] <ogra> yay
[12:20] <JStrike> That is what happens
[12:20] <JStrike> Learnt that the hard way many times before
[12:21] <JStrike> hey jdub
[12:21] <jdub> yo
[12:22] <JStrike> jdub : Heard you were looking at getting rcd, red-carpet ported. How is that coming along  (I was looking into it the other day myself)
[12:22] <Matt|> anyone use gdesklets rss grab?
[12:23] <jdub> JStrike: haven't bothered playing with those for ages.
[12:23] <xenonite> Gmail: where are you standing up right now? i go sleeping right now
[12:23] <Gman> i hate backup
[12:24] <cardador> JStrike: synaptic didnt disappear... its now on application > system tools
[12:24] <Matt|> JStrike, bug has been filed for synaptic
[12:25] <JStrike> Matt| : For the installing a local file?
[12:25] <Matt|> nope
[12:25] <Matt|> for the gnome menu
[12:26] <JStrike> Somebody needs to file a bug for getting a new interface
[12:26] <mass> JStrike: I'm just buying it all up front. It won't seem like too much hardware in 2009
[12:26] <Matt|> JStrike, sorry just saw cardador's response  - I missed most of your conversation :/
[12:26] <jazzka> any visual application like gtk-diff in ubuntu?
[12:27] <JStrike> Synaptic blows. Red-Carpet is somewhat better, but is still lacking. Click 'n Run seems the best (Although I haven't used it yet)
[12:28] <JStrike> Heard somewhere someone suggest a Click 'n Run style thing using Gnome Files and Autopackage. Would work really well with a debs though
[12:30] <JStrike> mass : I got robbed a few hours ago. The only thing they didn't seem to steal was my computer. You really know your computer is too old when thieves wont even steal it :-)
[12:36] <mroth> hmm.. warty doesnt appear to like 1920x1200 resolution, even if i add it to XF86Config manually
[12:36] <baluba> hi ToTo
[12:37] <Matt|> JStrike, no such thing as a computer which is too old
[12:38] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes there is
[12:38] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) esp with the development of low power low noise etc servers/routers
[12:39] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: warty has nothng to do with the resolution. It depends on your graphics hardware, your monitor, and your configuration
[12:39] (crimsun/#ubuntu) nothing^
[12:39] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you can replace an old linux box router with a WRT45GS which takes SFA power, makes no noise and has all the features
[12:39] (crimsun/#ubuntu) or you could save money by using the old linux box as a router
[12:39] <Matt|> yep
[12:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it really doesn't matter in many contexts
[12:40] <Matt|> nothing wrong with old computers
[12:40] <Matt|> they are sweet
[12:40] <ermo> HrdwrBoB, ... if you can live with a 2.4.20 kernel and not have complete QoS control for instance?
[12:40] <Matt|> loads of personality
[12:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) crimsun: considering it costs $155AUD
[12:40] <mroth> crimsun: well, it worked fine in debian sarge, and I copied the same XF86Config file settings, so something must be different somewhere
[12:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) I think the cost is negligble
[12:40] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) +i
[12:40] <mroth> the difficulty is in locating that somewhere
[12:40] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: did you examine the logfile?
[12:41] <ermo> crimson, Matt|: don't forget the electriciy. Over the course of a year, a wrt54gs is significantly less expensive when turned on 24/7 (which a router often is)
[12:41] <JStrike> Matt| : Personality? That is an interesting way to describe it
[12:41] <Matt|> sure
[12:41] <mroth> crimsun: yeah, it appears to not know about the 1920x1200 mode
[12:41] <Matt|> nothing like a pentium 166 laptop with 32 MB of RAM
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) nothing like moving parts to get clogged with dust
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and stop working
[12:42] <mroth> and interestingly enough it also is complaining about other modes which are nowhere in my XF86Config file at all (e.g. it tries to set 1920x1440 by default, which is nowhere at all in the config settings)
[12:42] <Matt|> meh you are so soulless
[12:42] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ermo: and what if there are multiple wrt54gses? for instance, I know of 486s that run great as routers
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) I'
[12:42] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no, I'm just sick or working with old, crap hardware
[12:43] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, next you'll be complaining about your children not using air efficiently
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) that takes up too much space
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) makes too much noise
[12:43] <Matt|> and eating too much
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and isn't even very cost effective
[12:43] <Matt|> and screaming
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) old PCs have their place
[12:43] <Matt|> don't say it
[12:43] <gen> the trash?
[12:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: make sure there's a modeline for 1920x1200
[12:43] <Matt|> ugh
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) but .. the cost of new stuff is so small these days
[12:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mroth: and make sure you're using the same driver
[12:43] <Matt|> how could you throw away a pc
[12:43] <Matt|> poor thing
[12:43] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) that I am totally  over trying to support hardware that's 3 generations behind the times
[12:44] (crimsun/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: there's a call for each situation.
[12:44] <gen> i threw away my p133 last week
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) matt|: http://kaos.vicnet.net.au/garbage/DSCN0001.jpg
[12:44] <Matt|> oh god
[12:44] <ermo> crimsun, I used to own a 486 and use it with leaf. Now I've bought a linksys wrt54gs.
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) crimsun: true
[12:44] (crimsun/#ubuntu) HrdwrBoB: sometimes it's more cost-effective to use older hardware; sometimes it's more cost-effective to overhaul and use new
[12:44] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, is that your office?
[12:44] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Matt|: yes
[12:44] <Talliesin> Environmental impact too.
[12:45] <Talliesin> I suggest the middle ground approach.
[12:45] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, ok i change my argument. Old Office pc's don't have much personality. Personal ones do tho
[12:45] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I suggest the "evaluate each circumstance" approach.
[12:45] <Talliesin> Use the thing in a suitable capacity (e.g. a router), but the moment it gives you hassle chuck it.
[12:45] <btfan> reposting something i said in ubuntu-devel
[12:45] <btfan> [23:43:25]  <btfan> hi
[12:45] <btfan> [23:43:42]  <btfan> is it possible that windows network printing colud be improved?
[12:45] <btfan> [23:44:11]  <btfan> basically, is it possible for ubuntu to scan the subnet, find the smb hosts and search for printers and put them in the 'detected' printers dialog?
[12:46] (mjr/#ubuntu) it would be possible to improve it thus, yes
[12:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) btfan: so you're suggesting a utility that sits on top of samba to do that?
[12:46] <btfan> no i'm suggesting that the current 'new printer' thing does it
[12:46] <btfan> it would make it a hell of a lot easier for those migrating from windows and don't know what host the windows printer is currently on
[12:47] (mjr/#ubuntu) in the same way nautilus can currently find file shares
[12:47] <btfan> exactly
[12:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it's certainly doable, but it's more a gnome issue
[12:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) afaics
[12:47] <btfan> nautilus is bloody spot on in that respect... i double click network, bang, all my servers.
[12:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) hook it into gnome, and all the distros have access to it. everyone wins.
[12:48] <btfan> how could i 'report' this to the gnome team?
[12:48] (rjek/#ubuntu) "it's quite pretty in an Infant school sort of way" - my mother on KDE.
[12:48] <jonathaN> { /window stick $window off }
[12:48] <ogra> btfan: file a bug
[12:48] <btfan> oh btw, a bug i reported in khtml in 2000 got fixed last week :) thank god for opensource... ironically it was apple's safari improvements that fixed it
[12:48] (mjr/#ubuntu) well, it's a gnome-cups-manager issue, but yeah, not ubuntu-spesific
[12:49] <Matt|> anyone use gdesklets rss feed here?
[12:49] <JStrike> btfan : Gnome Bugzilla is the best bet
[12:49] <btfan> where do i find gnome-cups-manager?
[12:49] <btfan> im on their bugzilla now
[12:49] <btfan> but i can't find it
[12:50] <btfan> is it part of a different product?
[12:50] <ogra> btfan: file it in ubuntu bugzilla...it will be dealt with it .....
[12:50] <s0cks> I want an ubuntu hostmask
[12:50] <btfan> ok cheers
[12:50] <ogra> btfan: there are a lot of gnome devs involved with ubuntu :)
[12:51] <btfan> cool
[12:51] <btfan> btw - any update on graphical installer?
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: then raise the suggestion in #ubuntu-devel
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: ask for a freenode contact volunteer to coordinate the .ubuntu hostmask
[12:53] <s0cks> crimsun : Do it for me please
[12:53] <s0cks> crimsun : Cleaning my room, and I will forget :O
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: feel free to raise it yourself; no one's hindered
[12:53] <madsen> Hmm, anyone had any luck importing their old .sylpheed-claws dir into Ubuntu?
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) s0cks: just do it when you return
[12:54] <RuffianSoldier> Does anyone here know about a OSX like Windows launcher that I can get through Universe?  And one that works with Enlightenment?
[12:54] <s0cks> Ah screw it.
[12:54] <s0cks> Ill wait till someone else gets the idea
[12:54] <JStrike> Somebody still using Enlightenment. Interesting
[12:54] <gen> enlightenment haha
[12:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I still use E 0.16
[12:54] <JStrike> Haven't seen that since really, really long ago
[12:55] <JStrike> crimsun : And RH 5.2?
[12:55] <AppleServer> hey s0cks :)
[12:55] <pinkee> E works without hogging resources, say that about gnome.
[12:55] <s0cks> Hey appleserver
[12:55] <madsen> E is ok... I prefer PapuaWM, but that's not in Ubuntu or Debian. :( Or any other distro for that matter.
[12:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) JStrike: nope, but 6.2, yes
[12:56] <RuffianSoldier> Well can my question be answered though?
[12:56] <JStrike> pinkee : E is comparable to Gnome
[12:56] <madsen> pinkee: No, Rat Poison, PapuaWM and EvilWM doesn't hog resources... Pretty much everything else does. ;)
[12:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: lemme scroll up. Yours was lost in the scroll.
[12:56] <RuffianSoldier> I have a Debian OSX Theme for E, but I want a perty ap launcher
[12:56] <kwoo> madsen:  Try fvwm.  :)
[12:56] <madsen> kwoo: Still too bloated...
[12:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: could you describe what you mean by "app launcher?" I'm not familiar w/ OS X
[12:57] <pinkee> if you think so
[12:57] <kwoo> madsen:  Not according to 'ps auxw | grep -i fvwm'.  :)
[12:57] <JStrike> madsen : Dude, you really, really need to read what Joel On Software has to say about "bloat"
[12:57] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun, I want something that sits at the bottom of the screen, and I want to launch my programs from it
[12:57] <madsen> kwoo: PapuaWM: http://lillesvin.net/shots/?daa76141f1fd8f8878bed00f64cd85a3
[12:58] <madsen> JStrike: Cough up a link. :)
[12:58] <JStrike> RuffianSoldier : Add a panel and task launchers
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> lol
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <MAFioZoX> f
[12:58] <RuffianSoldier> JStrike, HUH?
[12:58] <JStrike> madsen : Search on JoelOnSoftware
[12:58] <kwoo> crimsun:  Something along the lines of the GNUstep dock.
[12:58] <pinkee> RuffianSoldier: i manages to get E working by adding it my .xinitrc
[12:59] <JStrike> RuffianSoldier :  A panel would sit at the bottom. Add application launchers
[12:59] <pinkee> and then go to management and regenerating the menues
[12:59] <RuffianSoldier> yall make no sense
[12:59] <pinkee> then you can apply the themes and use xdm to launch it
[12:59] <mass> :'(
[01:00] <JStrike> "RuffianSoldier: crimsun, I want something that sits at the bottom of the screen, and I want to launch my programs from it"
[01:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: gnome has the capability. Just add a launcher (or launchers) as JStrike described.
[01:00] <JStrike> You can add and remove what you want with the gnome panel
[01:00] <s0cks> AppleServer : Check out the site
[01:00] <mass> JStrike: sorry to hear you were robbed :(
[01:00] <AppleServer> s0cks: i am
[01:00] <RuffianSoldier> grtrrrrrrrr
[01:00] <s0cks> AppleServer : request some CDs if you like.
[01:00] <pinkee> gnome is not the cureall for everything
[01:00] <RuffianSoldier> you dont understand what Iwant
[01:01] <AppleServer> s0cks: but i got to get back to fmradio stuff
[01:01] <s0cks> olk
[01:01] <jdub> RuffianSoldier: there's a gdesklets thing that is like the dock, but not as well designed
[01:01] <pinkee> RuffianSoldier: did you see what i wrote
[01:01] <JStrike> mass : Yeah. It sucks. My brand new Digital Camera being stolen is hitting me the hardest though
[01:01] <kwoo> pinkee:  Doesn't stop me from using it.  :P
[01:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: now if you're actually looking for a separate application to act as a "launcher", look for idesk or iconbox, etc.
[01:01] <JStrike> pinkee : No. But it is what Ubuntu is all about
[01:02] <lupus_> has someone packaged coaster yet?
[01:02] <RuffianSoldier> crimsun, thank you, you just answerd my question
[01:02] <pinkee> JStrike: gnome is what ubuntu is all about?
[01:03] <JStrike> lupus_ : Not that I know of. Would dearly love for it to be though
[01:03] <mass> for some reason the system can fsck my reiser scsi disk just fine, but says 'device or resource busy, or /dir already mounted' when I try to do anything with it
[01:03] <JStrike> lupus_ : I dont think anyone is capable of compiling to to make debs
[01:03] <s0cks> I wonder if my gateway is scsi compatable
[01:03] <mass> lol
[01:03] <mass> Pigeon is .. not so good of a name for cd burning software
[01:03] <NewComer> can't recall doing anything, but after reboot gdm doesn't start correctly, it claims that there's another X server running on dislplay:0
[01:04] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) JStrike: i was halfway through doing it, have to figure out how to handle gnome schemas
[01:04] <mass> "pull!"
[01:04] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) s/gnome/gconf
[01:04] <JStrike> pinkee : Basically
[01:04] <pinkee> JStrike: have you read the website?
[01:05] <JStrike> Of course.
[01:05] <pinkee> i think you misses it all.
 lupus_ : I dont think anyone is capable of compiling to to make debs
[01:05] <lupus_> how do you mean?
[01:06] <jdub> lupus_: coaster is coming
[01:06] <JStrike> lupus_ : Dont worry, it should be possible, I have just heard of a lot of people having trouble
[01:06] <ramzez> weird thing happening, when i am using ethernet connection i can access ubuntuforums.org and when wireless i can't, any ideas?
[01:07] <JStrike> jdub : Good stuff
[01:07] <NewComer> ramzez, probably u're viewing the cache, coz i can't access the forums here
[01:08] <madsen> JStrike: Haha, JoelOnSoftware's bloat text is fun. :)
[01:08] <lupus_> is the transset package available? ;p
[01:08] <lupus_> want to test transparancy of the new xorg :)
 Gmail: where are you standing up right now? i go sleeping right now <<< what?
[01:09] <ramzez> NewComer, are they down?
[01:09] <madsen> JStrike: But, to me fvwm is still bloated because it has a lot of features _I_ don't use. :) And that's the beauty of Linux, you get to choose. :)
[01:09] <ramzez> cause i was using them about 30 mins ago
[01:09] <NewComer> ramzez, probably, seems so
[01:09] <JStrike> Joel On Software normally has very good articles
[01:10] <JStrike> madsen : :-)
[01:10] <ramzez> i c, i am trying to play some avi and mp3 and it says error unknown, do i need some extra stuff for it?
[01:10] <JStrike> ramzez : Yep. Check the wiki for RestrictedFormats
[01:11] <ramzez> oh, u mean on the ubuntu.org
[01:11] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ramzez: yep
[01:11] <JStrike> Yep
[01:12] <Talliesin> I've an old windows machine that doesn't boot from CD, and nothing but windows machines here. Is there any way I can start the install from floppy?
[01:12] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ramzez: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats i *think*
[01:12] <Chibi> Talliesin- Debian bootdisks.
[01:12] <Chibi> It's complex if you want to install ubuntu from the start, but it's easy if you're okay with installing Debian first, then Ubuntu.
[01:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: thers a program called smart boot manager that will boot the cd on systems not supporting it
[01:13] <Talliesin> Chibi, this is my first linux install ever.
[01:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: so a bad idea :)
 you should be shot micorosoft lover
[01:13] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: hold on two secs and I will get you the disk image for SBM
[01:13] <Matt|> btfan, did someone say windows network printing?
[01:13] <Chibi> Talliesin- Is it a laptop hotswap drive?
[01:14] <Talliesin> JStrike, is Joel On Software respected? I only read one thing by him I was referred to as it was on a subject I'm into. Seemed, eh, less than spectactular.
[01:14] <Talliesin> Chibi, no.
[01:14] <afshin> are the ubuntu forums down?
[01:14] <JStrike> Talliesin : Yes
[01:14] <Chibi> Then you should be fine with the smart boot manager this guy's about to give you. :D
[01:15] <jdub> Talliesin: some people love him, some people hate him.
[01:15] <ramzez> JStrike: it says i need streamer-mad which is not in the packages, any other solutions?
[01:15] <Talliesin> Chibi, strange technology timewarp here. One machine can't talk USB or ethernet, but does has a floppy drive. The other didn't bother with those out-moded floppy things.
[01:16] <cardador> ramzez: gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:16] <Chibi> Talliesin- As long as you have both a floppy and cdrom in at bootup. :D
[01:16] <JStrike> ramzez : You need to enable multiverse in synaptic
[01:16] <ramzez> oh i c
[01:16] <ramzez> i didn't see there is a link :-)
[01:16] <ramzez> time to go to bed
[01:16] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: Get that disk image I sent in private, then if you boot off that you should be able to boot the cdrom from it
[01:16] <ramzez> heheh
[01:16] <afshin> does anyone know how long the ubuntu forums will be down?
[01:17] <Chibi> My experience is more complex, because I can't have both a floppy and cdrom at the same time on my old machine. :/
[01:17] <afshin> is this expected downtime?
[01:17] <JStrike> Is gstreamer-ffmpeg in multiverse yet?
[01:17] <Talliesin> jdub, well the only thing I read by him was an article about Unicode. I thought it reasonable for a blog post, but was horrified to hear it was republished in a book.
[01:17] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: can you hotswap while its on?
[01:18] <Talliesin> Lathiat, thanks a lot. Have to go, but hopefully I'll be able to get this thing going when I come back.
[01:18] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Talliesin: no problems
[01:18] <Chibi> Lathiat- No, it's an old Compaq with a switch out drive-bay. The only way for me to do it is a bootstrap, Or installing a 30 disk base system. :P
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: could install SBM on the hard drive
[01:19] <Chibi> Nope.
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) Chibi: then pout the cdrom in, boot via that
[01:19] <Chibi> Bope.
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) why not?
[01:19] <Chibi> It's not a /real/ cdrom drive.
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) ahh
[01:19] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) could do a network install ?
[01:20] <Chibi> Yep. That's the way I did it. :o
[01:20] <Chibi> It's tough though, that old network hardware likes to crap out a LOT.
[01:20] <Chibi> And now the harddrive is going, too. :/
[01:21] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh
[01:22] <JStrike> Ok people. Time to sort out all of mass's issues, so he can get back to work on the bittorrent library
[01:23] <mass> JStrike: I'm in #reiser4 on another server
[01:23] <mass> one of my issues just got really bad :(
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) haha
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) not at you mas, jstrike
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) mass: reiser is bad
[01:23] <Chibi> Now that it's been mentioned again, though. I'm going to take another shot at it. Last time I lost power during the debian-ubuntu phase. Unfortunautly, the very file it died on was the initrd, leaving my system unbootable. :/
[01:23] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) failed me too many times
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) i dont touch anything but ext3
[01:24] <Chibi> reiser is awsome. D:
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) never ever failed me once
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) resier has rashed my data twice, my friends thrice
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) *trashed
[01:24] <Chibi> :/ Never had a problem with it.
[01:24] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it might be cool, awesome, but its not ready for my production data yet
[01:25] <Kirsch> hey guys is there a way to search the packages (like in synaptic) from sh?
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) apt-cache search <term1> <term2>
[01:25] <Kirsch> ty
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and you can install them that way too
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) you can see the details of a package
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) apt-cache show <packagename>
[01:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) and
[01:25] <Chibi> You can also use aptitude if it's just console you're after. D:
[01:26] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[01:26] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) Chibi: yeah, aptitude is nice
[01:26] <Chibi> My laptop was all ncurses. :D
[01:27] <JStrike> Dude, Why, Why!
[01:27] <ramzez> hmm, i added multiverse, but still can't see the files mentioned on the wiki apart form flash
[01:27] <madsen> how do I enable the root account? I'm getting tired of sudo'ing all over...
[01:27] <JStrike> It is enough to make baby jesus cry
[01:28] <JStrike> madsen : Check the wiki
[01:28] <madsen> JStrike: Thanks. :)
[01:28] <Chibi> Because X doesn't run well on a pentium with 32 megs of ram?
[01:28] <madsen> Chibi: Hehe...
[01:28] <JStrike> ramzez : You did a search for gstreamer and nothing came up with gstreamer*mad
[01:29] <ramzez> yep
[01:29] <madsen> Chibi: Why not use *bsd, it should be more suitable on small systems like that.
[01:29] <mass> Lathiat, Chibi: my data is just fine, the thing just refuses to mount now
[01:29] <Chibi> Because I'm not in the mood for cross compiling to bsd. :/
[01:29] <madsen> Chibi: Oh. :)
[01:29] <runixd> hello
[01:30] <mass> it has my home directory and all my music, so I'm very upset about this. 30 minutes ago was when this little machine reinstall was supposed to end for the night :(
[01:30] <madsen> ramzez: I've got gstreamer-mad in universe... (?)
[01:30] <runixd> mass, what happened?
[01:30] <ramzez> hmm, what section exactly?
[01:30] <mass> runixd: no idea :(
[01:31] <ajmitch_> the filesystem was eaten
[01:31] <runixd> mass, why are you upset then?
[01:31] <madsen> ramzez: What interface do you use to search the repo?
[01:31] <mass> runixd: this has happened to me in the past, it was an old IDE cable
[01:31] <ramzez> synaptic
[01:31] <mass> the drive errors were interpreted the wrong way by reiser (the drive was just going to a lower speed)
[01:31] <runixd> mass, I don't follow, your hard drive went dead or smth?
[01:31] <JStrike> ramzez : Enable mutiverse and universe in Synaptic. Then reload and search for gstreamer or mad
[01:31] <mass> runixd: no, kernel driver error is my guess
[01:31] <ramzez> that's what i did
[01:32] <runixd> mass, what are the symptoms?
[01:32] <JStrike> ramzez : Are you sure you have reloaded
[01:32] <JStrike> ?
[01:32] <madsen> ramzez: I just did a search on "gstreamer" and I got it... Can you paste me your /etc/apt/sources.list in a priv-msg?
[01:33] <ramzez> sure
[01:33] <madsen> ramzez: Then do as I just told you...
[01:33] <mass> runix: mount fails, says either the scsi block device is busy or the directory already has a mount
[01:33] <mass> runix: nothing in dmesg
[01:33] <ramzez> i closed application (old windows way) and the run it again and clicked on reload
[01:33] <runixd> mass, check /etc/mtab
[01:34] <mass> runixd: I removed it from fstab with no effect. Now I'm removing the scsi drivers from /etc/modules
[01:34] <JStrike> And search for gsteamer turned up nothing? Then paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a priv-msg to madsen
[01:34] <runixd> mass, fstab is not related, mounted drive info is in /etc/mtab
[01:35] <mass> it mounted before I made those two changes
[01:35] <mass> removed the modules from loading and it worked. its some funky initialization order thing >:(
[01:36] <runixd> hmm, k, I'm still lost but nvm :)
[01:36] <ramzez> masden, how do i send priv.msg?
[01:37] <madsen> ramzez: What irc-client?
[01:37] <runixd> ramzez, /msg name message
[01:37] <runixd> or /dialog name msg with xchat
[01:37] <ramzez> x-chat
[01:37] <mass> runixd: it is not a setup problem, its a kernel level software problem
[01:37] <Neill> How do I setup x forwarding over ssh?
[01:37] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ssh -X
[01:37] <runixd> Neill, ssh -X user@host
[01:37] <mass> runixd: the reiserfs 3 drivers are ... fragile in my experience
[01:37] <madsen> ramzez: runixd said it. :)
[01:38] <runixd> mass, reiser3 is very stable, but I still don't get what the problem is :)
[01:38] <Neill> runixd: thanks
[01:38] <runixd> np
[01:39] <mass> runixd: well I tracked it down to a driver initialization problem. If I put my scsi drivers in /etc/modules, it fails to mount. if I wait until after boot and just mount the drive, it works. Dunno if the drivers will be found if I just try a mount at boot without /etc/modules having the scsi drivers
[01:39] <mass> runixd: and it is definately some bug in the reiserfs fs driver. I can do everything else, including a fsck
[01:41] <Chibi> Ubuntu moved up to slot 12 on DW :D
[01:41] <mass> DW = ?
[01:41] <mass> DW are my initials :)
[01:41] <Chibi> Distrowatch
[01:42] <JStrike> I would have gone for Dark Wing Duck
[01:42] <mass> Dinomutt: Dog Wonder
[01:43] <mass> but yeah, I used to hear "when there's trouble you can call D.W." alllllll the time
[01:43] <runixd> mass, you should probably have your driver within kernel or load it on boot or tinker with initrd
[01:44] <madsen> mass: But did you ever "get dangerous"? ;)
[01:44] <mass> madsen: no, but I suggested it many times
[01:44] <JStrike> Distrowatch and Tucows, etc are useless. According to those things, most people are running Mandrake
[01:44] <madsen> mass: hehe
[01:44] <mass> madsen: "Lets get Dangeroussss"
[01:44] <JStrike> And Mandrake ceased to be significant years ago
[01:46] <mass> runixd: perhaps I should try it. In the past, the driver did not work right when compiled into the kernel
[01:46] <madsen> Hmm... Did anyone succesfully import their old sylpheed-claws settings into Ubuntu?
[01:46] <mass> runixd: it is possible that this scsi driver is not set up with an appropriate dependancy as well - after all, it is pretty new (2.6.9)
[01:46] <_scp> do I have to worry about overlap in packages between main and universe?
[01:47] <madsen> JStrike: It may have ceased to be significant, but a lot of people use it, especially because it's so "user friendly".
[01:47] <runixd> mass, probably, don't blame reiser right away
[01:47] <_scp> overlap meaning there is an old version in main and a newer in universe, so when I do an "apt-get upgrade" it upgrades to the universe version?
[01:47] <madsen> _scp: If you install the "main" packages, then they're supported by the Ubuntu team, the "universe" equivalents are not... Or... Well, actually, I don't really know... :/
[01:48] <_scp> madsen: I am worried about "upgrading" to unsupported software
[01:48] <_scp> madsen: old version in main -> new version in universe
[01:48] <JStrike> madsen : It is primarily KDE based. And anybody that says KDE is userfriendly is out of their minds
[01:48] <madsen> _scp: I've been running Debian unstable for some years and only had problems with the "unstable" packages like twice or thrice.
[01:49] <madsen> JStrike: True, I'm not agreeing with it. :)
[01:49] <_scp> madsen: it's the security problems i worry about
[01:49] <madsen> _scp: Hmm, well... That's a good question... I've never really thought that much about it.
[01:49] <mass> runixd: it has just been a few times in the past, it has been reiser
[01:49] <JStrike> madsen is right main is supportes. Universe and Multiverse, if it breaks, you get to keep both parts
[01:49] <mass> and reiser never gives any sort of good error message
[01:50] <madsen> _scp: But shouldn't it be possible to  enable universe, get what you want, disable universe?
[01:50] <mass> 'filesystem already mounted' is not significant information for me to track down the root cause
[01:50] <mass> I only chose reiser this time because I wanted the possibility of migrating forward easily to 4
[01:50] <_scp> madsen: yeah
[01:50] <runixd> mass, that means its mounted and this message is generated by reading /etc/mtab and is not related to filesystem
[01:51] <_scp> JStrike: aware of that... I am just worried about a newer version of the same package being in universe
[01:51] <SeaBass> hi all
[01:51] <mass> runixd: it is an error returned by the reiser kernel driver, there is nothing in mtab
[01:51] <madsen> _scp: Then you won't have problems with main-packages upgrading to universe pkgs... Besides, I don't really think it's an issue... I would think the packages know where they come from and don't install to a newer version from another repo.
[01:51] <_scp> madsen: Oh... I see what you meant now
[01:52] <madsen> _scp: Can't you try it out with some insignificant stand-alone package?
[01:52] <JStrike> _scp : I dont think there is overlap. But best to ask jdub or one of the other canonical people
[01:52] <_scp> madsen: maybe...
[01:52] <madsen> JStrike: iirc I saw an overlap just an hour or so ago.
[01:52] <mass> JStrike: speaking of bittorrent
[01:52] <jdub> _scp: there is no overlap between main and the other components.
[01:53] <JStrike> jdub : btw, has ubuntu had any major rollouts yet? I think the shuttleworth foundation is doing some big ones here, but have there been any others? Or is it still too early
[01:53] <_scp> jdub: Thanks! I appreciate it.
[01:53] <mass> JStrike: someone asked on the mono list, and as result, sent email to all three projects he got responses from, asking for a uniting
[01:53] <_scp> madsen, JStrike, thanks for your input!
[01:53] <madsen> JStrike: No wait, that was just me being an idiot... I didn't...
[01:53] <JStrike> mass : That is good news
[01:53] <madsen> _scp: any time. :)
[01:53] <JStrike> That is not the emails from ages ago is it?
[01:55] <madsen> Btw. If you all want to help me out with my linguistics assignment, then go to: http://lillesvin.net/?64 and do the experiment refered to there. It would be greatly appreciated. :)
[01:56] <madsen> but don't go all at once! It's a small server and a 256k connection. :)
[01:56] <obiyoda> Hello all. I am pretty new to this linux thing. Was wondering if any one had some advice on getting a dual monitor system working?
[01:56] <Chibi> Nvidia?
[01:56] <mass> JStrike: I dunno, we have to agree on license and architecture, and I am not willing to go up from MIT to something more developer-restrictive
[01:57] <JStrike> mass : MIT is the only way to go
[01:57] <mass> JStrike: especially since the 'real' version is MIT :)
[01:57] <obiyoda> unfortunatly I have pieced togethor a machine which has two differnt video cards one ati the other nvidia
[01:57] <JStrike> mass : Well, that too :-)
[01:58] <SirG3> Hm, BZFlag plays like crap so I don't think Ubuntu figured out what to do w/ my graphics card. However, the howto on how to get it working doesn't work..... sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver fails, any ideas?
[01:58] <JStrike> mass : Dont know where I saw it, but there is apparently a very good document for creating your own bittorent port.
[01:59] <SirG3> (referring to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto)
[01:59] <mass> JStrike: there is a protocol doc on the bittorrent website, was that it? :)
[01:59] <eruin> oooh
[01:59] <eruin> firefox supports my locale
[01:59] <stuNNed> SirG3, sure it's called fglrx-driver?  try apt-cache search fglrx or apt-cache search ati
[01:59] <JStrike> mass :I think it was on a yahoo mailing list. But I cant access anything Yahoo! related on this computer for some reason
[01:59] <mass> so as while as this channel is jumping - is it possible for me to enter japanese text using something like uim with ubuntu? or set my locale to a japanese locale? :)
[02:00] <SirG3> stuNNed: just copy and pasting off of the HowTo, but I'll try that now
[02:00] <eruin> crap, yeah, can utf8 support languages like chinese and janapese?
[02:00] <ramzez> just las question for today, i can play avi, but there is no picture just sound, which streamer i need for this?
[02:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) eruin: yes
[02:01] <mass> eruin: it can support any unicode character, utf-8 is just an encoding
[02:01] <obiyoda> SirG3 thanks that may help me
[02:01] <stuNNed> why is ubuntu moving in the direction of using only unicode?
[02:02] <runixd> wz with http://www.ubuntuforums.org/?
[02:02] <mass> stunned: that is a bad direction to take?
[02:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) runixd: downtime.
[02:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) mass: no, it's a good direction to take
[02:02] <mass> crimsun: unicode is overrated
[02:02] <eruin> I think mass implied that ;)
[02:02] <mass> everyone else should just figure out how to use us7ascii to make their own language work
[02:02] <robertj> is the title bar click resize a gnome default?
[02:03] <mass> I propose ascii art ;-)
[02:03] <robertj> I seem to remember it shading the window
[02:03] <stuNNed> mass, obviously not, was just curious :)
[02:03] <robertj> did that change, did ubuntu change, or am I getting it confused with OS 9?
[02:03] <jdub> robertj: gnome default change
[02:03] <robertj> whee
[02:03] <jdub> robertj: just go into the Windows dialogue and change the behaviour
[02:04] <robertj> jdub: it's not that, I was afraid I had a dot-file hanging around that might have changed it
[02:04] <robertj> I usually change it, and I was looking on "stealing" from the Gnome desktop project for ubuntu docs
[02:04] <robertj> and that's a change from the 2.6 docs
[02:05] <eruin> who made the ubuntu cursors?
[02:05] <eruin> I absolutely adore them
[02:05] <jdub> jimmac
[02:05] <eruin> ah, figures
[02:05] <SirG3> stuNNed: the first command returned nothing (searching for fglrx) and the second command returned tons and tons of results... but I see nothing about ati in em........ heh
[02:05] <JStrike> They are good
[02:06] <JStrike> Is jimmac does stuff for Ubuntu as well, or did you get the NLD stuff
[02:06] <NewNick> does ubuntu hoary have ATI drivers released yet?
[02:06] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) speaking of.. how would I get the default X pointer back? the ubuntu default flickers.
[02:06] <JStrike> Getting the contact loolup applet before NLD was beautifull
[02:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: see the binarydrivers section of the wiki?
[02:07] <jdub> JStrike: none of that stuff is NLD-driven
[02:07] <NewNick> that's for warty
[02:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: ...and?
[02:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: the restricted modules are just an install (a couple clicks, if you so choose) away
[02:08] <eruin> JStrike: what's NLD?
[02:08] <Gmail> is hoary 5.4?
[02:08] <Gmail> is hoary 5.4???????????
[02:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) novell linux desktop?
[02:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) crimsun: oh btw, I was able to disable stripping by setting DEB_STRIP_EXCLUDE := gaim
[02:09] <JStrike> crimsun : Yep
[02:09] <NewNick> crimsun: I don't think you understand, the warty drivers will not work for hoary because warty uses XFREE and hoary uses XORG and fglrx for ati drivers is only XFREE as of now
[02:09] <JStrike> eruin : Novell Linux Desktop
[02:09] <eruin> gotcha
[02:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: good.
[02:10] <stuNNed> SirG3, do you have 'restricted' defined in your /etc/apt/sources.list?  and is this PPC?  fglrx-driver shows up here in 'restricted' repo, also you might want to add 'multivers' and 'universe' to your repo's list, i'm not sure if fglrx-driver has been ported to PPC if this is PPC...
[02:10] <JStrike> I have to admit. I am very happy that I changed to Ubuntu instead of waiting around for NLD to be released. It is the first time ever that I am disappointed with a Ximian release
[02:10] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: um. You do know that XFree86 and X.Org as Debian (and thus Ubuntu) packaged are largely interchangeable, correct?
[02:11] <NewNick> crimsun: yes, but the FGLRX driver is not.
[02:11] <SirG3> stuNNed: yes, I think restrected is defined in /etc/apt/sources.list (there were a couple lines mentioning restricted), and yes, I'm n PPC
[02:11] <stuNNed> SirG3, sorry s/multivers/multiverse
[02:11] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: does it work w/ Fedora Core 2/3?
[02:11] <NewNick> nop
[02:11] <NewNick> well when I tried it didnt
[02:11] <NewNick> like
[02:11] <NewNick> 3 months ago
[02:12] <eruin> aren't ubuntu allowed to use the firefox icon/artwork?
[02:12] <SirG3> stuNNed: nothing about multiverse in there: how would I enable that?
[02:12] <stuNNed> SirG3, just add word 'multiverse' after 'universe'
[02:12] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: I think you're skipping the critical step of googling...
[02:13] <madsen> Hmm, how would I catch all orphaned packages in synaptic? I've tried "installed" + "orphaned" but that somehow catches all packages. :/
[02:13] <mojo> morning everyone
[02:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: I _just_ searched and found several references to ATI drivers working (with and without patching) on Fedora Core 2 and newer
[02:13] <NewNick> crimsun: I have spent way way to mcuh time trying to get my x300 chipset working on ubntu
[02:13] <NewNick> but we arnt talking about fedora are we.
[02:13] <stuNNed> SirG3, maybe the driver is called something else for PPC, i'm not sure.  I do see on ATI's site there are drivers for MacOS.  I'd check around for Linux equivalent drivers for PPC, if you haven't already done so.
[02:13] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and since FC2 and newer use X.Org, I can only conclude that the ATI drivers work just fine with X.Org
[02:13] <mojo> I'm looking for oggvorbissdk, can someone show me how can I get this sdk via synaptic? what names are they?
[02:14] <NewNick> not on X300 chipsets
[02:14] <NewNick> do u understand what I mean by x300? radeon 9700 pros and etc
[02:14] <NewNick> it ALWAYS thinks im using a 8500 generic
[02:14] <NewNick> and gives me worse preformance
[02:14] <NewNick> 9500*
[02:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) NewNick: no, I don't use ATI hardware. Have you consulted the ATI forums (assuming there is one)?
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I would like to collapse these two lines: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[02:15] <NewNick> lol ati=not that well into linux
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) I should have no trouble doing that right?
[02:15] <eruin> crimsun, I've been hanging out on the fedora channels (and used fedora c2->c3t2->c3) and "just fine" isn't the proper term to use when speaking of xorg and ati drivers ;)
[02:15] <NewNick> ati only supports reh hat 9
[02:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) GammaRay: correct.
[02:15] <NewNick> lol
[02:15] <NewNick> as of now
[02:15] <madsen> What is this "multiverse" about?
[02:15] <NewNick> (they only release rpms)
[02:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: sailor moon ofcourse
[02:15] <mass> madsen: ever see "The One" with Jet Li?
[02:15] <mass> oh, yeah, that too :)
[02:16] <s1x> hi all
[02:16] <eruin> I need to find a decent notebook with nvidia isntead of all these ati 9700 ones
[02:16] <eruin> if only because of nvidias excellent linux support
[02:16] <NewNick> eruin: yep
[02:16] <s1x> i just plugged my and SD card in my usb card reader and nothing happened. The kernel recognized it and hal does it too. Can anyone help me out trying to figure out why g-v-m doesn't mount it?
[02:17] <NewNick> ati is sadd..
[02:17] <NewNick> is it X300 or newer?
[02:18] <madsen> NewNick: I don't know how old the X300 is, but mine is a Radeon Mobility M6
[02:19] <NewNick> wel then that's why it works fine
[02:19] <NewNick> x300 is newer than the 9600's
[02:20] <madsen> NewNick: ... which I don't know how old are either.
[02:20] <NewNick> icic
[02:20] <wasabi> Does ubuntu support joysticks out of hte box?
[02:20] <madsen> NewNick: I'm not much into hardware, I just happened to know what gfx-card was in my Thinkpad. :)
[02:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: see /proc/config.gz
[02:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: 2.6 should contain all the support you need. I don't know how much attention ubuntu has paid to it.
[02:22] <wasabi> nosuch file or directory
[02:22] <wasabi> probably doens't have config support in heh
[02:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bleh
[02:22] <wasabi> yeah it has the joydev module loaded.
[02:22] <wasabi> but dmesg isn't showing naything
[02:23] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: try /boot/config*
[02:23] <wasabi> and it used to on my previous debian kernel
[02:23] <zenwhen> wasabi,
[02:23] <zenwhen> Get a $9.99 MS Sidewinder.
[02:23] <wasabi> no.
[02:23] <zenwhen> They works so winderfully in Linux.
[02:23] <zenwhen> work*
[02:23] <zenwhen> Oh well.
[02:23] <wasabi> how nice of it.
[02:23] <wasabi> regardless.
[02:23] <zenwhen> Whoa, attitude.
[02:23] <zenwhen> O;
[02:24] <wasabi> what, you think it's acceptable that I should go buy new hardware when the previous worked fine on debian?
[02:24] <wasabi> i think not.
[02:24] <zenwhen> waaa?
[02:24] <zenwhen> What joystick are you using now?
[02:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: what type of joystick?
[02:24] <wasabi> logitech
[02:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) how does it plug in?
[02:24] <wasabi> usb.
[02:25] <wasabi> i should be getting dmesg notifications of it in some fashions
[02:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: take a look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input/joystick.txt
[02:26] <s0cks> 0.o
[02:26] <wasabi> drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: ctrl urb status -2 received
[02:26] <wasabi> drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: usb_submit_urb(ctrl) failed
[02:26] <s0cks> Is hoarty fixed yet?
[02:26] <wasabi> do not have that directory
[02:26] <wasabi> I did not compile my own kernel.
[02:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: it's part of the kernel-source package
[02:27] <darkjedi_NSC> hey guys - im a linux newbie, I just wanted to know if there are any ubuntu-specific guides on how to get started with linux. I'm a little overwhelmed stepping right in from the windoze world... TIA!
[02:27] <JStrike> Very good read : http://www.autopackage.org/NOTES
[02:27] <zenwhen> Compiling your own kernel is not only a good idea, but it is fun. Also, chicks dig it.
[02:27] <zenwhen> True story.
[02:28] <VOYAGER> lol
[02:28] <wasabi> until you can point out why the ubuntu kernel does not work, i see no reason for it.
[02:28] <zenwhen> Oh
[02:28] <zenwhen> I only booted that kernel once.
[02:28] <zenwhen> I know fuck all about it.
[02:28] <madsen> Any tips on how to get all the Fn-button stuff to work in Ubuntu?
[02:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: I'm not asking you to do that
[02:29] <madsen> ^- On a thinkpad...
[02:29] <wasabi> GammaRay, i know.
[02:29] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) darkjedi_NSC: there used to be a good "beginning your journey" document in the ubuntu wiki.  Maybe someone here can find it for you in the new wiki
[02:29] <zenwhen> In fact, I wasnt suggesting wasabi do it either.
[02:29] <darkjedi_NSC> thanks kneel, let me see if i can find it myself too
[02:29] <zenwhen> But if his joystick isnt supported, it might be a good idea.
[02:29] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: from joystick.txt I see that "Logitech WingMan GamePad USB" is supported by the adi module
[02:30] <wasabi> Well, this joystick has never required special drivers before. Just generic joydev.
[02:30] <wasabi> nope.
[02:31] <robertj> wasabi: I'm trying to bootstrap ubuntu and it's being whiny
[02:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) joydev isn't a driver
[02:31] <darkjedi_NSC> Thanks Kneel - I found a doc called "learning ubuntu linux" in the wiki, im going to tear through it now
[02:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) For all joystick drivers to function, you'll need the userland interface
[02:31] <robertj> I think I may be doing something wrong, Is archive.ubuntu.org not a valid mirror for bootstraping purposes?
[02:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) module in kernel, either loaded or compiled in:
[02:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) and then it tell you to modprobe joydev..
[02:32] <wasabi> GammaRay, naw. Joydev on my Debian kernel was all. It detected the USB hotplug event and exposed /dev/input/js0
[02:32] <wasabi> now it's not doing either
[02:32] <wasabi> It's that generic
[02:32] <darkjedi_NSC> one more question, im running ubuntu on an older compaq notebook, it has a synaptics touchpad that is acting funny. anyone know how i can get a new/better driver for it?
[02:33] <wasabi> i just can't fathom what's differetn about ubuntu's kernel than my last one
[02:33] <madsen> Hmm, how does one do `apt-get clean` from synaptic?
[02:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) wasabi: it's probably just a flaw in the hosplug support... you might report this as a bug.
[02:33] <wasabi> same 2.6.8.1 that I used, all the support needed is listed in config
[02:33] <wasabi> Gamma, dmesg is kernel level, not hotplug.
[02:33] <stuNNed> is there any way to view a changelog in an uninstall .deb package with apt or dpkg?
[02:34] <jdz_> wasabi: I'm very suprised dmesg isn't showing anything
[02:34] <VOYAGER> wasabi have you tried the other usb sockets ive run into 1 or the other will run
[02:34] <wasabi> me too.
[02:34] <wasabi> not even a usb connect event
[02:34] <wasabi> VOYAGER, yeah cycled through all of em
[02:34] <VOYAGER> k
[02:35] <wasabi> i suspose it might be noted
[02:35] <wasabi> I just unplugged my mouse
[02:35] <wasabi> no unplug event
[02:35] <wasabi> plugged it back in, no plug event. and it don't work now.
[02:35] <wasabi> usb looks dead.
[02:35] <YokoZar> I just upgraded to with synaptic xorg and now the login screen freezes after making the login sound (the keyboard freezes too)
[02:36] <YokoZar> Maybe I'm missing a package somehow?
[02:37] <stuNNed> how to view changelogs of new packages?
[02:37] <jmhodges> heya
[02:38] <jmhodges> my grub-fu is weak
[02:38] <YokoZar> And is there a way to move between consoles in recovery mode (ie. shift+alt+f2 type stuff)?
[02:38] <madsen> jmhodges: What's the problem?
[02:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) stuNNed: /usr/doc/<package>/
[02:38] <jmhodges> im sitting on this live cd right now trying to figure out how to re-install the grub bits i had on my hard drive into my mbr now that i've overwritten them with a windows install in another partition
[02:38] <jmhodges> madsen, that right there ^ :)
[02:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jmhodges: no.. grub is weak.. your foo is just fine
[02:39] <madsen> YokoZar: do you mean "ctrl+alt+f(1-6)"?
[02:39] <SeaBass> what kernel version does ubuntu use?
[02:39] <madsen> GammaRay: What's wrong with grub?
[02:39] <YokoZar> madsen: yeah that's what I meant
[02:39] <YokoZar> madsen: It doesn't work in recovery mode, which is single user mode.
[02:39] <jdz_> SeaBass: 2.6.x, Warty comes with 2.6.8 I believe
[02:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: the config file mainly
[02:39] <mass> SeaBass: 2.6.8
[02:39] <YokoZar> madsen: Do I need to d oan init 3?
[02:39] <SeaBass> thx
[02:39] <eruin> JStrike, yeah, good read. got it all spinning around in my poor head now ;)
[02:40] <SeaBass> does it get compiled from source?
[02:40] <YokoZar> Actually, I think I'll just install screen...
[02:40] <madsen> YokoZar: I think so, cause single user mode pretty much implies one login. No more, no less... At least that's my interpretation of it.
[02:40] <JStrike> Mike Hearn is pretty awsome
[02:40] <jmhodges> GammaRay, hehe
[02:40] <madsen> GammaRay: I think it's way better than e.g. Lilo
[02:40] <jmhodges> i knew how to do this with lilo
[02:40] <madsen> jmhodges: What have you tried so far?
[02:40] <YokoZar> exit
[02:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: you think, therefor it is, for you
[02:41] <YokoZar> I'll be back
[02:41] <SeaBass> is ubuntu a source or binary distro?
[02:41] <madsen> GammaRay: Exactly, I just wanted to hear why you thought grub sucked.
[02:41] <jmhodges> madsen, chroot and running grub-install, running grub-install from the cd with --config-file pointed to the one i had on the harddrive
[02:41] <madsen> SeaBass: bin
[02:41] <jmhodges> neither seemed to work
[02:41] <jdz_> SeaBass: Binary
[02:41] <SeaBass> thx
[02:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) SeaBass: both :-P
[02:41] <jmhodges> and .. something else.. trying to remember what..
[02:41] <madsen> jmhodges: With what as the target device?
[02:41] <zenwhen> haha
[02:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) does a source distro run only interperted code?
[02:42] <jmhodges> oh, the latter was grub fromt he cd with the --config-file.. (which was stupid i know) and then i tried grub-install with the -directory deal pointed at the grub dir in /boot on the hd
[02:42] <zenwhen> There was another "source = fast, binary = slow" guy.
[02:42] <jmhodges> madsen, /dev/hda
[02:42] <madsen> jmhodges: I think `grub-install /dev/hda` should do the trick. (You might want to add "--no-floppy" if you don't have a floppy drive.
[02:42] <jdz_> GammaRay: When I think of a Source distro, Gentoo comes to mind
[02:42] <jmhodges> madsen, from where?
[02:42] <wasabi> grrr
[02:42] <wasabi> i really dont wanna recompile
[02:42] <madsen> jmhodges: Hmm, than apparently it _didn't_ do the trick...
[02:42] <jmhodges> madsen, oh i tried that
[02:42] <jmhodges> let me get the output
[02:43] <madsen> jmhodges: I don't think you can do it from a chroot, but I'm not sure.
[02:43] <jmhodges> madsen, nope, i dont think i can either heh
[02:43] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) apt-get (the) source!
[02:43] <madsen> jmhodges: I'm not sure the chrooted env will recognize /dev/hda
[02:43] <jmhodges> madsen, well, grub-install /dev/hda is doing something
[02:44] <jmhodges> but im nto sure if its what i want
[02:44] <wasabi> a chroot will recognize /dev/hda fine if hte file exists
[02:44] <wasabi> and points to the right major/minor
[02:44] <jmhodges> madsen, "Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device."
[02:44] <usual> bass is good beer
[02:44] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: I just think grub is way too complicated for it's small benefits
[02:44] <wasabi> jmhodges, edit /etc/mtab
[02:44] <jmhodges> chroot was having issues with another missing /dev i think
[02:44] <jmhodges> wasabi, ok.. to what? :/
[02:44] <wasabi> whatever /boot is
[02:45] <scognito_> is the extension of shadow and translucent windows compiled in hoary's xorg packages?
[02:45] <jmhodges> wasabi, ahhh i see
[02:45] <ajmitch_> wasabi: you're not the only one to have USB issues
[02:45] <wasabi> grub uses /etc/mtab to find the device for /boot.
[02:45] <wasabi> scognito_, the extension is. The applications required are not.
[02:45] <YokoZar> ok I got my screen action going, ready to reinstall whatever packages I need to get xorg working (or at least a login screen...)
[02:45] <scognito_> ok tnx
[02:45] <JStrike> scognito_ : It doesn't matter. None of the major Window Managers have composite support
[02:45] <eruin> autopackage is exciting
[02:45] <madsen> jmhodges: Try something like: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda1/boot/grub/ /dev/hda  (but change the --root-dir path to your installations grub-dir.)
[02:46] <wasabi> JStrike, xcompmgr "works".
[02:46] <scognito_> ok :D
[02:46] <JStrike> eruin : It really is
[02:46] <jmhodges> madsen, actually i think thats correct
[02:46] <JStrike> ha
[02:46] <madsen> jmhodges: It's great if it is. :)
[02:46] <JStrike> xcompmgr is a load of shit
[02:46] <eruin> JStrike, xfwm
[02:46] <jmhodges> madsen, from yours.. i tried this before "cp: listing attributes of `//lib/grub/i386-pc/stage1': Unknown error 524"
[02:47] <JStrike> It is a means for testing, Not for using
[02:47] <wasabi> xcompmgr is great if you have a device with sane RENDER
[02:47] <wasabi> Of which there is none
[02:47] <jdub> metacity supports composite (though it's currently b0rk)
[02:47] <JStrike> eruin : I said major :-)
[02:47] <robertj> eeky panick!
[02:47] <jdub> has had composite support for ages
[02:47] <eruin> JStrike, well, after kwm and metacity I'd say it's the most popular ;P
[02:47] <madsen> jmhodges: Hmm...
[02:47] <ajmitch_> xcompmgr worked at a decent speed with a geforce2
[02:47] <JStrike> jdub: It has been disabled for a while
[02:47] <jdub> wasabi: works fairly well on nvidia
[02:47] <madsen> jmhodges: I hate unknown errors.
[02:47] <wasabi> jdub, crashes my X for me after about 10 minutes, on Nvidia.
[02:47] <jdub> JStrike: only recently.
[02:47] <ajmitch_> I just got sick of firefox crashing due to the flash plugin
[02:47] <robertj> Insatlled a sid chroot, changed my sources.list, dist-upgraded to warty stuff, then tried to install ubuntu-desktop and dependencies aren't resolving :(
[02:48] <jdub> it has always been a devel feature
[02:48] <jmhodges> wasabi, btw, that didnt work either with this line in mtab "/boot /mnt/hda1 ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev 0 0"
[02:48] <wasabi> that's because you did /mnt/hda1
[02:48] <wasabi> and not /dev/hda1
[02:48] <Gmail> robertj: you are a moron if you swap to debian sid from ubuntu
[02:48] <JStrike> jdub : I remember it being enabled, then pulled almost immediatly a while ago. (Well, some months ago)
[02:48] <wasabi> Gmail, you are a moron ifyou assume somebodys distro choice makes them a moron.
[02:48] <robertj> Gmail: read closely, I'm bootstrapping ubuntu
[02:49] <scognito_> which config file is used for X?
[02:49] <jdub> JStrike: it's been on HEAD for about a year. it's not enabled by default. currently it is broken.
[02:49] <robertj> or rather attempting to
[02:49] <jmhodges> wasabi, ah, ok
[02:49] <scognito_>  /etc/X11/Xf86config-4 is still ok?
[02:49] <wasabi> scognito_, xorg uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:49] <scognito_> ok
[02:49] <scognito_> thanks a lot
[02:49] <eruin> (which is alot more easy to type)
[02:49] <jmhodges> wasabi, well /boot is inside of a larger partition, not one by itsel
[02:50] (crimsun/#ubuntu) robertj: it's doable. What's(re) the error(s)? use #flood if necessary
[02:50] <wasabi> jmhodges, eh? you don't have a /boot? oh. then you don't need to mess with mtab at all
[02:50] <Gmail> robertj: okay i thought you where a tipical n00b who knew nothing (not even howto make a sympal .deb binary)
[02:50] <jmhodges> ah heh
[02:50] <wasabi> you need to pass the right options to grub though
[02:50] <scognito_> 'nite
[02:50] <jmhodges> wasabi, right, theres the issue..
[02:50] <robertj> crimsun: it wants a newer version of alsa than what's installed
[02:51] <robertj> I wonder if sid alsa deps are making it unhappy
[02:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) robertj: could you paste the error in #flood?
[02:51] <JStrike> Is gstreaner-ffmpeg in multiverse yet?
[02:52] <wasabi> Is there a replacement for kernel-package that Ubuntu is using to create the linux-* kernel packages?
[02:52] <eruin> JStrike, no
[02:52] <robertj> crimsun: that's as much as I can paste ;)
[02:52] <JStrike> I wonder why not?
[02:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) robertj: and your /etc/apt/sources.list? and possibly /etc/apt/preferences?
[02:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) wasabi: nope, just kernel-package per norm
[02:53] <robertj> there is no preferences file
[02:53] <wasabi> crimsun, well, kernel-package uses kernel-* naming scheme... so this will do that now?
[02:53] <wasabi> or are they renaming the results by hand?
[02:53] <jdub> there's an option to change the package name
[02:54] <wasabi> reallllly?
[02:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) yep
[02:54] <JStrike> gstreamer--ffmpeg *really* should be in multiverse
[02:55] <eruin> it really should
[02:55] <JStrike> It would be a lot easier than the xinelib, totem-xine thing
[02:55] <wasabi> Wha't shte option? not finding it.
[02:55] <eruin> JStrike, or fetching it off debian
[02:55] <JStrike> Not loving the mixing Ubuntu and debian packages
[02:56] <usual> i wish audacity worked with alsa
[02:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: aoss audacity?
[02:57] <usual> crimsun, ?
[02:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: wrap audacity using the alsa wrapper?
[02:57] (crimsun/#ubuntu) install alsa-oss
[02:57] <YokoZar> Ok, here's the deal: All my packages are latest hoary version, but when it boots into login menu I get a frozen keyboard and a grey screen.  The login screen sound plays, but then everything locks up.
[02:57] <usual> crimsun, kernel  mods or packages
[02:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: it's a package
[02:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: I'm presuming your alsa config has oss emulation enabled?
[02:58] <usual> crimsun, how can I check
[02:58] <eruin> bah! the firefox package should be patched to use the gtk fileselector
[02:58] <ajmitch_> robertj: using a warty debootstrap?
[02:58] <robertj> hoary
[02:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: how are you using audacity now? alsa's oss emulation? direct oss?
[02:59] <robertj> i'll know if it works soon
[02:59] <robertj> i'm up to the c's
[02:59] <usual> crimsun, I'm not it fails to find the audio device
[02:59] <robertj> give er 10 minutes and i'll copy over my sources.list, make the changes to point it to warty and install desktop-base
[02:59] <robertj> after that my goal is to fight with Xnest
[02:59] <ajmitch_> I think it might be time to try & upgrade to hoary
[02:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) usual: are you using alsa?
[03:00] <robertj> ajmitch: it's not
[03:00] <usual> crimsun, yes
[03:00] <robertj> "When it is time, you will KNOW it is time"
[03:00] <ajmitch_> robertj: is it more broken than sid?
[03:00] <robertj> ajmitch: don't use sid, I would guess yes
[03:00] <JStrike> Speaking off alsa-oss. It makes a really terrible crackling noise on my computer. And esd seems to still use oss
[03:00] <ajmitch_> alright
[03:00] <eruin> Gmail, it's in applications -> system using gksu instead of gksudo now (I've filed a bug)
[03:01] <ajmitch_> I've been using sid for a few years, so I've come to know the general ways of fixing things
[03:01] <jdub> Gmail: dude, chill out.
[03:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) JStrike: make sure it's not trying to mmap
[03:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) JStrike: that's known to be buggy
[03:01] <mojo> has anyone encountered bunch of error related to buildui.py with RealPlayer 10 (21/10/2004) build?
[03:01] <YokoZar> Ok, here's the deal: All my packages are latest hoary version, but when it boots into login menu I get a frozen keyboard and a grey screen.  The login screen sound plays, but then everything locks up.  Anyone have a clue?  Am I missing a package?  What should I try doing?
[03:01] <stuNNed> jdub, how to view the changelog of a package?
[03:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) zless /usr/share/doc/$PACKAGE/changelog.Debian.gz
[03:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, thanks mate
[03:02] <stuNNed> crimsun, is there a way before it's installed?
[03:02] <ajmitch_> apt-listchanges is useful for mailing you changelogs when you install
[03:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) stuNNed: ajmitch_ just mentioned apt-listchanges if you're upgrading
[03:02] <JStrike> YokoZar : Use the supported version, not Hoary?
[03:03] <YokoZar> JStrike: Safe way to downgrade?
[03:03] <Gmail> eruin: i now i had to do sudo passwd root on my dads computer for him to be able to use it
[03:03] <stuNNed> crimsun, ajmitch_ ok thanks
[03:03] <mojo> jdub: can you pls explain to me why only Ubuntu Linux like to remove the GNOME Inintlevel Service out?
[03:03] <eruin> Gmail, alternatively you could edit the menu item ;)
[03:04] <JStrike> YokoZar : Not sure
[03:04] <jdub> mojo: because it's not supported upstream, and it's not the best design for the job
[03:04] <JStrike> But I am sure there must be some info on google
[03:04] <robertj> btw, on the random gripe front, does anyone know if there has been any discussions of checking for keyboards before prompting for input?
[03:05] <jdub> stuNNed: /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.*
[03:05] <robertj> just in general debian-land. It's really naughty to have a machine with no ps/2 port prompt you when usb keyboards aren't working
[03:05] <mojo> jdub: really? so GNOME never has such offciail Initlevel tooL?
[03:05] <robertj> especially in PPC land where, unless there is some openfirmware deal I don't know about, you really don't have any options
[03:05] <jdub> Gmail: dude, if you are running hoary on your father's computer, that's the kind of mess you'll get in. it's *in development*.
[03:05] <jdub> mojo: no
[03:05] <mojo> jdub: could u be more specific?
[03:06] <jdub> mojo: no, gnome has never had an official runlevel tool
[03:06] <jdub> i'm just answering your question :)
[03:06] <mojo> jdub: ok, thx man
[03:06] <mojo> jdub: if it is so, then we should adopt one for ourselve like FC
[03:06] <jdub> mojo: perhaps.
[03:06] <eruin> mojo, it's being worked on afaik
[03:07] <mojo> jdub: i've tried RHEL 4 Beta and it completely deprecated eog, should we do so?
[03:07] <jdub> mojo: no
[03:08] <Gmail> jdub: i am taking care of my dad computer
[03:08] <mojo> jdub: isn't it better to have unified image viewer?
[03:08] <Gmail> there is no worry
[03:08] <jdub> Gmail: don't run a development release on it, and don't complain bitterly when things break
[03:08] <jdub> mojo: yes, when one's available
[03:08] <JStrike> Speaking of a FC feature I miss, is their package installer. Trying to get all the devel libs needed to build mono and gtk-sharp is a nightmare. On FC they had the simple way of just choosing the Gnome Development package(s) which would install most of what you need
[03:09] <jdub> JStrike: on its way.
[03:09] <JStrike> jdub : Nice.
[03:09] <mojo> jud: thx much jdub, ur the man, i'm just wondering when the gnome-panel-screenshot is up so I can take screenshot for my bug report
[03:09] <jdub> mojo: when there's a gnome-utils release upstream
[03:10] <jdub> mojo: there are lots of ways to take screenshots
[03:10] <jdub> mojo: use gimp
[03:10] <wasabi> grrrr
[03:10] <eruin> install imagemagick, run import -w root /path/to/saved.png
[03:10] <mojo> jdub: oh GIMP! yah! I forget GIMP can do it! thx jdub, u save the day again!
[03:10] <robertj> jdub: has there been much feedback on the Computer menu?
[03:10] <wasabi> feedback on computer menu: it rocks.
[03:10] <jdub> robertj: yeah, mostly positive
[03:10] <eruin> amen to that
[03:11] <jdz_> amen
[03:11] <jdub> robertj: there's a discussion going on upstream about modifying the menus, which is moving towards where we'd like to go
[03:11] <eruin> jdub, got alink?
[03:11] <jdub> see the desktop-devel-list archives
[03:11] <robertj> I support a sizable number of OS X users, and the Computer menu is never touched
[03:11] <wasabi> I like that XP feature where recently used apps drift towards the top of the menu
[03:11] <jdz_> the computer menu and sudo were the first two things that hit me in ubuntu, and got me hooked.
[03:12] <jdz_> wasabi: I believe KDE has something like that too
[03:12] <JStrike> jdub : IS it possible to get gstreamer-ffmpeg in Multiverse, or are the Cononical people not allowed to have anything to do with it?
[03:12] <mojo> jdub: isn't it better to place Synaptic in System confguartion?
[03:12] <jdub> wasabi: fairly likely it'll turn up in gnome 2.10
[03:12] <jdub> mojo: it is there.
[03:12] <Gmail> jdub: i am not complaing about things bracking (i report them too) i am just saying the mantanor should change stuff like this as when people upgrade from warty to hoary then they can't find synaptic and start complaining here
[03:12] <JStrike> sudo is really, really nice
[03:12] <robertj> Sudo is definately great
[03:12] <jdz_> JStrike: For sure.  I've fallen in love with sudo
[03:12] <mass> JStrike: sudo roxors :)
[03:12] <mojo> jdub: no, they just move it to System Tools
[03:12] <jdub> Gmail: dude, it's a bug. it's a development release. things like this happen.
[03:12] <Gmail> all i am saying it better not be like that for the rc
[03:12] <wasabi> I dislike having to be added to the audio/video/cdrom groups manually.
[03:12] <usual> what would be the thing to get into nowadays for a good job, pref IT related if it is a decent option
[03:12] <jdub> mojo: it's a bug.
[03:13] <robertj> Gnome places in general need lots of loving
[03:13] <jdub> Gmail: far out man, it's one month into the development process.
[03:13] <robertj> OS 10.3 has their favorite menus done right
[03:13] <wasabi> os x has a favoritres menu?
[03:13] <jdub> JStrike: i don't think we're going to do anything about it. if it goes into debian (unlikely), it'll turn up in universe.
[03:13] <wasabi> it just has the dock
[03:13] <Gmail> jdub: but it better not stay like that it better change back because i know people will be whining on where is snaptic
[03:13] <SirG3> I thought they stopped using favorites in 10.3?
[03:13] <robertj> like on the GtkFileChooser
[03:13] <SirG3> but I wouldn't know, never used it :-P
[03:13] <robertj> you have your bookmarks
[03:14] <jdub> Gmail: bugs will be fixed, dude.
[03:14] <robertj> and anything you bookmark there shows up in Finder and you can drag stuff to it
[03:14] <jdub> Gmail: let it go
[03:14] <calc> jdub: better hide out in the other channel, too many people here ;)
[03:14] <robertj> also you can click it and open your bookmarked place
[03:14] <usual> crimsun, I installed alsa-oss...now what
[03:14] <SirG3> robertj: Ah the sidebar
[03:14] <SirG3> ?
[03:14] <robertj> yeah
[03:14] <mass> robertj: you can also drag files there
[03:14] <robertj> mass: indeed
[03:14] <Gmail> jdub: i am not talking about to bug i am talking about changing the menu item
[03:14] <mass> robertj: if you _really_ open that file alot ;-)
[03:14] <ajmitch_> calc: don't you want to harass jdub too? :)
[03:14] <jdub> Gmail: again, that is a bug
[03:14] <robertj> mass: network resources, anything
[03:14] <Gmail> thing like that should NOT be changed
[03:15] <stuNNed> SirG3, i checked around, couldn't find anything related to ppc fglrx :(
[03:15] <jdub> Gmail: that will be fixed
[03:15] <jdub> Gmail: please let it go
[03:15] <Gmail> jdub: no it idn't
[03:15] <calc> the only thing i could harass him about he has nothing to do with, getting gnome 2.8 into sid ;)
[03:15] <mass> I just like the consolidation of all the icons into the dock - status notifications and all right there. Of course, system tools are slowly leaking upward into the menubar
[03:15] <SirG3> stuNNed: I looked around for 15 minutes on google then I found Bomberclone.... and suddenly the afternoon is gone :-P
[03:15] <ajmitch_> ah
[03:15] <ajmitch_> harass jordi & others then?
[03:15] <mass> but apple has promised to break that every major OS release, if you read between the lines
[03:15] <mass> 'don't do this with non-system code'
[03:16] <usual> calc, you still doing the KDE packages?
[03:16] <jdub> Gmail: i'll say it again -> the synaptic menu item moving is a *BUG* it will be fixed.
[03:16] <ajmitch_> when's the hoary upstream version freeze again?
[03:16] <jdub> ajmitch_: end of december (but that may change)
[03:16] <eruin> Gmail, have a cookie: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
[03:16] <usual> hell will freeze before hoary does
[03:16] <mass> mmm.. cookies
[03:16] <usual> i mean sarge
[03:17] <calc> usual: well 3.3.1 is as done as i can make it for sarge (afaik), so just sitting around waiting for it to migrate
[03:17] <mass> wrong order
[03:17] <mass> hoary, then hell, then sarge ;-)
[03:17] <robertj> mass: I really like it because it doesn't prompt at all
[03:17] <calc> but after that i am planning to jump into gnome dev if i can :)
[03:17] <eruin> wasn't sarge slated for a november release?
[03:17] <robertj> mass: it's really a scratch space area
[03:17] <ajmitch_> eruin: sarge was slated for a 2003 release
[03:17] <robertj> no "Are you sure you want to create a shortcut"
[03:17] <usual> calc, gotcha...havn't seen you in a while...I stopped using kde so I didn't come to #debian-kde anymore
[03:17] <eruin> hehe, I remember woody
[03:17] <eruin> ;D
[03:17] <calc> usual: ok
[03:17] <Gmail> jdub: its not a bug its a CHANGE and i am saying it not wise to do such changes
[03:17] <mass> robertj: prompts are overused. I like the UI design philosophy of 'assume the user isn't a moron, so only prompt them if something they are trying to do is genuinely destructive, like deleting a folder'
[03:17] <kensai> eruin, maybe it'll be available for early 2005
[03:17] <eruin> Gmail, stop trolling already
[03:18] <jdub> Gmail: dude. listen to me. it is a bug.
[03:18] <mass> the anti-clippy school of UI thought :)
[03:18] <ajmitch_> I've got a few packages that are quite outdated in warty
[03:18] <jdub> Gmail: the change is a bug.
[03:18] <jdub> Gmail: it will be fixed.
[03:18] <GotD0t> is there a way i can keep something in the clipboard after the application it was copied from is closed
[03:18] <calc> hmm i could just reinstall my desktop with hoary and have gnome 2.8 now :)
[03:18] <usual> calc, I enjoy it
[03:18] <SirG3> mass: yeah, I like doing something and the computer not asking me to confirm it. I hit command-delete - I MEAN TO DELETE THE TRASH! hehe
[03:18] <calc> i have warty on my laptop, but i still need a linux friendly wifi for it
[03:19] <jdub> calc: gnome 2.8 in warty, 2.9 in hoary ;-)
[03:19] <calc> the intel 2915 seems to be hard to get, or still vaporware
[03:19] <gen> linux friendly? contradiction
[03:19] <calc> jdub: whee 8)
[03:19] <mass> SirG3: yesss, if an operation is destructive, try to make it reversable, rather than prompting the user
[03:19] <calc> gen: just about anything other than broadcom
[03:19] <usual> I wonder when 2.6.9 will enter hoary
[03:19] <eruin> WHOOT, am I running gnome 2.9 ?
[03:19] <ajmitch_> ndiswrapper?
[03:19] <kensai> Gmail, LOL synaptic problem LOL yeah I was whining for 10 seconds until I found it
[03:19] <calc> i have broadcom 11g in my amd64 laptop so i can't even use that :\
[03:19] <stuNNed> calc, any orinoco card should be good, proxim atheros orinoco .11b/g here works well with madwifi-driver
[03:19] <gen> calc, yea i know, being a jackass.
[03:19] <usual> not fully 2.9 correct?
[03:19] <SirG3> mass: or at least be able to turn it off, bah - wish I could that w/ win98's empty trash dialog.....
[03:20] <calc> and i need working wpa on top of that, i have a prism54 with no wpa support :\
[03:20] <one_2_one> hy
[03:20] <jdub> usual: 2.9 as released upstrema
[03:20] <usual> why do you use synaptic anyway...
[03:20] <one_2_one> where i can get ubuntu kernel source ?
[03:20] <usual> jdub, gotcha
[03:20] <ajmitch_> calc: ah, I've got an old prism2 card
[03:21] <calc> i may just give up and buy an intel 2200 since those are supposed to work and have wpa support
[03:21] <Gmail> btw to get passed such ""BUGS"" is by doing the following command sudo passwd root , and entering the same password as the one you chose for sudo
[03:21] <robertj> other thought: does Gnome Keychain Manager load Apple Keychains?
[03:21] <kensai> I don't know which is the big deal about the bug on synaptic because it is always under system tools
[03:21] <calc> also is minipci so i can just pull the old card out and have it work
[03:21] <usual> jdub, I recall you mentioning things like bootsplashes and grub splashes in hoary...are those going to come near release or freeze? or just when they get to it
[03:22] <stuNNed> calc, wpa_supplicant working here with above mentioned card
[03:22] <jdub> usual: not sure if it's going to happen for hoary.
[03:22] <jdz_> sooner is better of course :)  more time for bugs to be found and fixed.
[03:22] <usual> jdub, ok...doesn't seem like a time consuming task or very difficult....so I was just curious
[03:22] <jdz_> usual: You should help then!
[03:23] <jdub> usual: well, it does involve developing a user space graphical boot subsystem...
[03:23] <usual> jdz_, I doubt I can just become a team member
[03:23] <stuNNed> ajmitch_, is there a way to set up a cron job for apt-listchanges to email changelogs of packages not installed yet?
[03:23] <usual> jdub, ok
[03:23] <calc> stuNNed: ok :)
[03:23] <one_2_one> ppl where i can get ubuntu kernel source ?
[03:24] <jdub> one_2_one: apt-cache search linux-source
[03:24] <one_2_one> i dont have net
[03:24] <jdub> you don't need net access :)
[03:24] <jdub> until you want to get the package
[03:24] <ajmitch_> stuNNed: not sure, it's probably possible :)
[03:24] <SirG3> Hm: as a first time user of Ubuntu some things pop out. I wish there was a way to have a global menu bar like Mac OS *, I wish when installing programs from Synaptic that they became listed in the applications menu.
[03:25] <SirG3> I wish things just worked: like my USB HDD and my firewire burner or my graphics card or mac on linux
[03:25] <jdub> SirG3: we won't have a global menu bar; most supported applications will have menu items; *heaps* of hardware 'just works'; MOL isn't supported.
[03:26] <SirG3> jdub: unfort. my hardware doesn't seem to be among the heaps of hardware :-(
[03:26] <jdub> SirG3: file bugs, or send install reports to ubuntu-users
[03:26] <JStrike> The first : Gnome is not Mac OS : The second should happen : Third is a problem that wont go away any time soon unless linux gets really popular
[03:27] <SirG3> JStrike: I find the one menu bar much more intiutive heh
[03:28] <SirG3> jdub: where would I file bugs?
[03:28] <madsen> SirG3: Actually, even though I dislike it, KDE has such an option.
[03:28] <jdub> SirG3: bugzilla.ubuntu.com (see the topic)
[03:28] <madsen> SirG3: I mean, KDE as oposed to KDE.
[03:28] <madsen> SirG3: rubbish, ... oposed to Gnome. :)
[03:30] <baluba> jdub, today there was someone who asked about the appropriate way to request for a package inclusion
[03:31] <Childe> Yesterday I upgraded to Hoary, but after the upgrade GDM can not start.
[03:32] <Childe> It says that there is already a X server on display 0, and give me a X serve only screen.
[03:32] <Childe> Just a pointer on black screen.
[03:33] <Childe> Is there any known bug in Hoary's GDM script?
[03:34] <Xamusk> hello again
[03:34] <one_2_one> jdub  i have been loking on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ but i dont see it to download
[03:34] <nicktastic> Are there any good documents that explain how ubuntu is different from other distributions, what it does better, why users would want to use it over the many other distributions out there? I'm having a hard time finding such information on the web site...
[03:35] <one_2_one> on apt-cache search he dont have linux source
[03:36] <baluba> one_2_one, apt-cache search linux-source
[03:36] <Childe> Anybody using Hoary here? Tell me if your GDM works correctly/
[03:36] <one_2_one> baluba  i typed that
[03:36] <one_2_one> he dont have it
[03:36] <bigtony> question: when i type smb://192.168.1.102 i can login with a blank user and blank password and have full access to my shares. how come i can't do the same when i do a smbmount //192.168.1.102/documents /home/bigtony/laptopdrive -o umask=000,rw,guest ? what am i don't wrong plz thanks
[03:36] <one_2_one> and im looking for an link to get it
[03:37] <nicktastic> ....
[03:38] <madsen> Woah! The Ubuntu Monthly Calendar is a drity trick! :) I'm already looking forward to next month - or maybe the next one again... Whichever features one of the gals. :)
[03:39] <one_2_one> baluba  know any link ?
[03:39] <madsen> bigtony: Uhm, you haven't allowed guest access?
[03:39] <bigtony> yes on my windows system guest is allowed
[03:40] <YokoZar> How do I downgrade to Warty?  Or reinstall all of xorg?
[03:40] <bigtony> i can read the drive with smb just fine and write to it and do whatever i want
[03:40] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm... Also to read/write?
[03:40] <bigtony> but i can't mount it with the same priv
[03:40] <madsen> bigtony: I mean as guest.
[03:40] <bigtony> i thought i did
[03:40] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm...
[03:40] <madsen> Hang on a sec...
[03:40] <bigtony> like i say smb://192.168.1.102 will work just fine
[03:40] <bigtony> i can rwx
[03:41] <bigtony> but i can't mount it so i don't have to type smb all the time
[03:41] <madsen> bigtony: smb://... from where=
[03:41] <bigtony> from filebrowser
[03:42] <madsen> Hmm, can't you just browse the network and then right click on the shares and mount them? Unless you want it to happen automagically of course...
[03:42] <bigtony> ok well tell me this cause i'm new to this
[03:42] <bigtony> how do you browse the network?
[03:43] <bigtony> i thought you had to specify it
[03:43] <pridkett> I don't suppose anyone in here is using an IBM A31 laptop?  (other than myself)
[03:43] <runixd> whats your question
[03:43] <madsen> bigtony: I mount my shares with: smbmount //server/share /mount/point -o username=myUsername,password=myPassword
[03:43] <one_2_one> can i use an debian kernel source to ubuntu ?
[03:43] <runixd> duh
[03:43] <Childe> Help!
[03:43] <bigtony> yeah i understand madsen: but thats the thing its a guest share
[03:43] <bigtony> so it has no username or pass
[03:44] <madsen> bigtony: Just: Computer -> Network
[03:44] <Agrajag> bigtony: ""
[03:44] <Agrajag> that's your user and pass
[03:44] <Childe> GDM broken after upgraded to Hoary
[03:44] <madsen> Agrajag: That shouldn't be needed...
[03:44] <bigtony> oh
[03:44] <Agrajag> madsen: shoudn't, but it doesn't seem to be working for him without it
[03:44] <pridkett> for some reason that wireless on the computer (internal minipci prism2 that uses hermes driver) likes to conk out large transfers.  Specifically, it conks out a lot while printing.
[03:44] <bigtony> the read works fine
[03:44] <bigtony> the write is what the problem is
[03:44] <Agrajag> oh
[03:44] <madsen> Agrajag: Well, it _could_ be something else...
[03:45] <Agrajag> -o rw
[03:45] <Agrajag> -o rw
[03:45] <bigtony> i tried that
[03:45] <bigtony> doesn't do anything
[03:45] <Agrajag> really, hm
[03:45] <bigtony> again thats with smbmount now with smb://ip/share
[03:45] <bigtony> it works fine
[03:46] <bigtony> question when i make the dir say /home/bigtony/laptopdrive
[03:46] <madsen> bigtony: Do you know what that umask does or did you just stick it in there?
[03:46] <bigtony> do i have to chown it?
[03:46] <bigtony> i thought it did file access
[03:46] <bigtony> but i am still learning
[03:46] <madsen> bigtony: You have to have write-perms to it I guess, but I think it changes during mount.
[03:46] <bigtony> like 777
[03:46] <pridkett> i'm pretty sure that it's an issue with ubuntu installing the wrong driver to fix that.
[03:46] <madsen> bigtony: Yeah, it works on files you create... I don't use it in my mounts...
[03:47] <madsen> bigtony: Try to remove it, so we get the simplest situation possible.
[03:47] <bigtony> i was jus tgoing on what i was reading
[03:47] <bigtony> ok
[03:47] <mitochondyu> hi all need help
[03:47] <bigtony> i'm gonna unmount the drive and start over
[03:47] <madsen> mitochondyu: Who doesn't. :)
[03:47] <mitochondyu> does superkaramba works for gnome???
[03:47] <madsen> mitochondyu: What does the dependencies tell you?
[03:47] <ajmitch_> mitochondyu: use gdesklets
[03:48] <mitochondyu> oh ..i tryed gdesklets.is not as good
[03:48] <bigtony> ok umounted
[03:48] <mitochondyu> thanks anyways
[03:48] <ajmitch_> superkaramba would work but I guess it'd drag in a few kde dependencies
[03:48] <mitochondyu> really?
[03:48] <Childe> I need help!
[03:48] <bigtony> now do i need to do chmod -R rw on the /home/bigtony/laptopdrive dir i made?
[03:48] <Childe> My GDM does not work after I upgraded to Hoary!
[03:48] <madsen> mitochondyu: `apt-cache show superkaramba`
[03:49] <madsen> bigtony: I don't think the -R is needed when the share is umounted. :)
[03:49] <bigtony> just trying to get total access to that dir is all
[03:49] <madsen> just make sure you have full access on the mount point.
[03:49] <mitochondyu> thanks
[03:49] <bigtony> moint point being the ip/share dir?
[03:49] <mitochondyu> i go try now
[03:49] <madsen> bigtony: I know, but -R means recursive and there should only be the dir.
[03:50] <bigtony> ok
[03:50] <madsen> bigtony: No, the mount point in your local dir system.
[03:50] <bigtony> thats why i was doing the chmod
[03:50] <bigtony> i'm confused
[03:50] <madsen> bigtony: Just for getting it straight... Right now: "Mount point" = local dir to mount on; "share" = remote share to mount on "mount point". ;)
[03:51] <bigtony> ok fair enough
[03:51] <bigtony> mount point is /home/bigtony/laptopdrive
[03:51] <madsen> bigtony: Ok, make sure you have rwx on that.
[03:51] <bigtony> and i did a mkdir to that dir in normal user mode
[03:51] <bigtony> ok let me check
[03:51] <madsen> bigtony: Ok, then you have rwx on it.
[03:52] <bigtony> yeah
[03:52] <madsen> bigtony: now do `smbmount //server/share /home/bigtony/laptopdrive -o rw` No more, no less
[03:53] <madsen> bigtony: of course, replace //server/share with the actual values. :)
[03:53] <bigtony> ok i'm trying brb
[03:53] <bigtony> duh :p
[03:53] <bigtony> ok
[03:53] <baluba> night
[03:54] <madsen> bigtony: How's it working out?
[03:54] <bigtony> having a hang  up removing this dir
[03:54] <bigtony> hang on a sec
[03:54] <bigtony> cause i think i see what i did wrong
[03:54] <bigtony> i created the dir in root
[03:55] <mitochondyu> icaramba it works!~ ^^ thanks
[03:56] <Xamusk> can ubuntu live use a home dir in a partition in the HD
[03:57] <madsen> bigtony: What do you mean?
[03:57] <bigtony> i got it
[03:57] <bigtony> well i had created the dir as being root making root the owner
[03:57] <bigtony> i need bigtony to be the owner
[03:57] <bigtony> let me try now i think i got it
[03:58] <madsen> bigtony: Oh! :) You said you created it as your user. :)
[03:58] <bigtony> i know i did
[03:58] <bigtony> thats why i corrected myself
[03:58] <madsen> bigtony: hehe, I know...
[03:58] <bigtony> << hates being a noob
[03:58] <bigtony> but i got high hopes
[03:58] <bigtony> let me see if i can get it going now
[03:59] <madsen> bigtony: Nah, nothings wrong with being a noob. Everybody starts somewhere. :) Being a noob is where everybody starts. :)
[04:00] <bigtony> thanks for looking at it like that
[04:00] <bigtony> just hate being a pest really
[04:00] <madsen> bigtony: If you were a pest I'd probably have thrown something like "stfu and read the docs" at you. :) Don't worry. Really. :)
[04:01] <bigtony> i hear ya
[04:01] <bigtony> thanks
[04:01] <bigtony> one thing here is what i don't understand
[04:01] <bigtony> do i have to mount as root?
[04:01] <madsen> bigtony: That shouldn't be necessary.
[04:01] <bigtony> bigtony@bubbaslinuxbox:~/laptopdrive $ smbmount //192.168.1.102/documents /home/bigtony/laptopdrive -o rw
[04:01] <bigtony> Password:
[04:01] <bigtony> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[04:01] <bigtony> smbmnt failed: 1
[04:02] <Childe> Does anyone ecountered the GDM bug after upgraded to Hoary?
[04:02] <alge> anyone cool with ubuntu sound, can't get gnome-sound-recorder to record anything
[04:03] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm, never heard that one before. :/
[04:03] <bigtony> now if i sudo it it gives me no error
[04:03] <bigtony> let me see if i have rw on it
[04:03] <madsen> bigtony: On my debian install I just mount as myself...
[04:04] <madsen> Childe: It doesn't appear so... I know it's frustrating, but perhaps you should try googling for it instead of wasting time asking here...
[04:04] <bigtony> with mount -t smbfs //192.168.1.102 username=whatever password=whatever   in the fstab?
[04:04] <madsen> bigtony: Nope, I mount them when I need them.
[04:04] <Childe> madsen: OK. Thank you :-D
[04:04] <bigtony> ok
[04:04] <madsen> Childe: :)
[04:05] <gen> whats the "GDM" bug
[04:05] <madsen> bigtony: I created a bash-function in .bashrc that mounts them all...
[04:05] <madsen> bigtony: I just do smbmountall and is mounts all my shares from my file-server.
[04:05] <Childe> gen: After I upgraded to HoaryGDM can not start.
[04:06] <bigtony> sounds like a plan to me
[04:06] <madsen> bigtony: Do you have more shares?
[04:06] <bigtony> let me try the network mount thing cause this isn't working
[04:06] <bigtony> yeah i have 2
[04:06] <Childe> It just tell me that there is already a X server running on this display. But I think this X server is the one launched by GDM itself
[04:06] <madsen> bigtony: Well, mine kinda depends on "smbmount //server/share /mount/point"
[04:07] <bigtony> the dir still has a lock on it
[04:07] <bigtony> even after i created it in normal and it shows rwx on it
[04:07] <madsen> Childe: Have you tried "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" and then start it again?
[04:07] <bigtony> and it stills ays root is the owner
[04:07] <madsen> Childe: I mean, not just using 'restart'.
[04:07] <bigtony> :(
[04:07] <Childe> madsen: Yes I've tried that. But it still not work
[04:07] <madsen> bigtony: That's because root mounted it...
[04:08] <bigtony> oh when i did the sudo smbmount gotcha
[04:08] <madsen> Childe: does 'ps aux | grep gdm' give you anything when it's stopped?
[04:08] <Childe> madsen: No. I killed them all.
[04:08] <madsen> Childe: :(
[04:08] <alge> hey Childe: how bout ctrl-alt-backspace to kill the X-server
[04:08] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm...
[04:09] <Childe> alge: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can not kill the X-server(strange, right?), I kill it using "kill -9"
[04:09] <bigtony> yeah thats what it was when i unmounted the lock went away
[04:09] <madsen> bigtony: Yup...
[04:09] <bigtony> but i seem to only be able to mount with sudo though
[04:09] <bigtony> aww i know why
[04:09] <madsen> bigtony: ?
[04:09] <bigtony> but this is strange
[04:10] <bigtony> correct me if i'm wrong
[04:10] <bigtony> linux doesn't like ntfs
[04:10] <bigtony> it can read it but can't write it
[04:10] <madsen> bigtony: Yup! That's it!
[04:10] <bigtony> but here is whats messed up
[04:10] <bigtony> smb:/192.168.1.102
[04:10] <bigtony> lets me write all day every day
[04:11] <Childe> Maybe I should examine GDM's init.d script?
[04:11] <madsen> bigtony: That sounds a little suspicious...
[04:11] <bigtony> cause i have already transfered tons of date to the laptop using that
[04:11] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm
[04:11] <Agrajag> bigtony: um
[04:11] <bigtony> i was just being lazy
[04:11] <madsen> Childe: Can't hurt, but I doubt it'll do any good.
[04:11] <bigtony> and got tired of doing smb://whatever
[04:11] <Agrajag> you mean an ntfs partition on another machine?
[04:11] <bigtony> yeah my laptop is a xp pro machine
[04:11] <madsen> bigtony: Still, you should be able to mount it via: Computer -> Networks
[04:12] <natex> Childe, if you want to kill X (i.e. drop to runlevel 3) try telinit 3
[04:12] <bigtony> i ahven't tried that method yet
[04:12] <Agrajag> bigtony: then it doesn't matter, linux isn't writing to ntfs
[04:12] <bigtony> let me try that now
[04:12] <bigtony> well something is
[04:12] <madsen> bigtony: I don't have a single win-install around to test it...
[04:12] <Agrajag> it's writing to smbfs, and the XP machine is writing to ntfs.
[04:12] <Childe> natex: Yeah. I'll try that.
[04:12] <bigtony> aww ok
[04:12] <Agrajag> machines using samba don't have to know the underlying filesystem on the other machine, they just speak SMB at each other
[04:12] <natex> ctrl alt back only restarts X on Ubuntu
[04:12] <Childe> madsen: I'll also to see if there is already a GDM update in the reposidory
[04:12] <bigtony> i see what your saying the smbfs is acting as an pass the buck kinda deal
[04:13] <Agrajag> yes
[04:13] <bigtony> ok
[04:13] <Agrajag> same with nfs
[04:13] <bigtony> so thats why smb works
[04:13] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: it doesn't technically restart X
[04:13] <madsen> neat!
[04:13] <bigtony> interesting
[04:13] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: it kills X, gdm detects that X has been killed and starts it again
[04:13] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) the *effect* is that X 'restarts' :)
[04:13] <bigtony> thanks
[04:13] <natex> HrdwrBoB: oh? i was under the impression that it was killed then restarts for "security" reasons
[04:13] <bratsche> Is anyone else having problems with panel applets like Trash or Mixer not starting correctly when the system restarts?
[04:14] <bigtony> so to be clear i can't mount it i must use smb://whatever
[04:14] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: not really
[04:14] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: ctrl+alt+F1 gets you to a console
[04:14] <Xamusk> can ubuntu live use a home dir in a partition in the HD
[04:14] <natex> HrdwrBoB: yes
[04:15] <natex> HrdwrBoB: so X isn't touched when ctrl+alt+back?
[04:15] <bigtony> madsen: how you get the computer>network thing to work? when i do it all it shows me is network:/// no workgroups or anything
[04:15] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: I can't see why you would not be able to mount it
[04:15] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: no, X is instantly killed when you run ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) including all applications that are currently running within it
[04:16] <bigtony> i do wanna mount it
[04:16] <bigtony> but if i can't write to it cause of the nfts restrictions
[04:16] <bigtony> i guess i have to mount -t smbfs it?
[04:16] <bigtony> i haven't tried that
[04:17] <natex> HrdwrBoB: True, I guess I was mentioning the effect then ;)
[04:17] <madsen> bigtony: Doesn't it find your network after a little while?
[04:17] <bigtony> nope
[04:17] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: yeah
[04:17] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) natex: it doesn't really matter, it's just nice to know
[04:17] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: think of it like this.. if you run an ftp server on windows, would you be able to write w/ that from a remote client?
[04:18] <bigtony> i see what your saying i'm just noticing its not working how i thought it should
[04:18] <natex> HrdwrBoB: of course.
[04:18] <bborkk> Seems like my system alarm sound has somehow been remapped to a full-screen flicker.  This happened after I installed mplayer.  Anyone else have this problem?
[04:19] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: //windows/share /mnt/windows/share smbfs3 users,noauto,password= 0 0
[04:20] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) bigtony: there is one restriction. the mounting user has to own the mount point
[04:21] <bigtony> and put that in the fstab?
[04:21] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) yep
[04:21] <bigtony> ok will try that
[04:21] <bigtony> thanks
[04:22] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) replace windows w/ the remote host's ip or name
[04:22] <stuNNed> what packages do i need installed to mount windows shares?  just smbclient and libsmbclient or smblclient, smbfs and libsmbclient?
[04:23] <hcker2000> hey dose any one happen to know how to get dial up working ?
[04:23] <bigtony> ok so there is no way to do it manually with a mount -t command?
[04:23] <stuNNed> bigtony, mount -t smbfs ?
[04:23] <bigtony> i tried
[04:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: http://www.gnome-ppp.org
[04:24] <bigtony> but it keeps giving me the help menu
[04:24] <bigtony> i tried the following
[04:24] <natex> bigtony: smbmount
[04:24] <hcker2000> thanks agine GammaRay
[04:24] <bigtony> mount -t smbfs -o guest //192.168.1.102 /home/bigtony/laptopdrive
[04:25] <hcker2000> its tar xv??
[04:26] <hcker2000> to extract
[04:26] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) tar xvzf
[04:26] <hcker2000> thanks
[04:26] <stuNNed> bigtony, , need to //192.168.1.102/share
[04:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: eXtract Verbose bZipped File-comes-next (-;
[04:27] <bigtony> aww i forgot the share
[04:27] <bigtony> let me try that
[04:27] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: eXtract Verbose gZipped File-comes-next I mean
[04:27] <madsen> bigtony: lol, if that's been the problem all along...
[04:27] <lonytynch> hey guys i ordered my ubuntu cds back at the beginning of october and never got them, any idea whats going on?
[04:27] <lonytynch> any willingness to mail me one of you guys' cds? :P
[04:28] <madsen> lonytynch: log into shipit.ubuntulinux.org and read...
[04:28] <bigtony> i don't think it has ben
[04:28] <madsen> lonytynch: I got mine friday
[04:28] <bigtony> cause i just started doing mount
[04:28] <bigtony> i swear after i learn linux i'll be a full fledge crack addict
[04:28] <bigtony> :)
[04:29] <natex> bigtony: if you have samba installed you can use smbmount
[04:29] <stuNNed> hcker2000, you may need to `gksu -u root /path/to/gnome-ppp`
[04:29] <bigtony> natex: i'm hearing you and thanks
[04:29] <madsen> bigtony: Did you ever try: smbmount //server/SHARE /mount/point -o rw ;)
[04:29] <bigtony> the thing is i have used smbmount and it doesn't work cause of the ntfs drive
[04:29] <Agrajag> stuNNed: more like gksudo
[04:29] <Agrajag> root is locked.
[04:29] <bigtony> yes i did
[04:30] <bigtony> and your right if you let it set for a while you see the network
[04:30] <madsen> bigtony: ok. Just curious. :)
[04:30] <hcker2000> stuNNed, thanks for the info
[04:30] <natex> bigtony: so the ntfs is a drive on the linux box?
[04:30] <hcker2000> GammaRay, i got it extracted now what do i need to do
[04:30] <bigtony> nope on a linux machine
[04:30] <bigtony> err
[04:30] <bigtony> on a windows machine
[04:30] <lonytynch> madsen: when did you order yours?
[04:30] <lonytynch> i ordered mine probably around october 5th or so
[04:30] <bborkk> What's the verdict on Hoary's stability on laptops?
[04:31] <one_2_one> http://one2one.no.sapo.pt/1.txt :| i dont have net on ubuntu .. where i can download ncurses-devel for ubuntu ?
[04:31] <madsen> lonytynch: The day after they opened up for the orders.
[04:31] <lonytynch> i'm just trying to get an approximation of when mine will come in
[04:31] <lonytynch> when was that?
[04:31] <bigtony> madsen: you mentioned something about finding the drive and then mounting it that way?
[04:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: it should fllow the same way as css did
[04:31] <madsen> lonytynch: I can't remember.
[04:31] <lonytynch> madsen: thanks
[04:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ./configure && make && checkinstall
[04:31] <hcker2000> ok what was before the make command
[04:31] <bigtony> and its working just fine now
[04:31] <hcker2000> ok
[04:31] <hcker2000> thanks
[04:31] <bigtony> with the smbfs :)
[04:31] <bigtony> woo hoo
[04:31] <encryptio> bigtony: what up!
[04:31] <madsen> bigtony: Yeah, but it's manual... Find the share through Computer -> Networks and right-click on it... You'll get some options there iirc.
[04:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: then sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[04:31] <bigtony> fixing to start doing crack
[04:32] <jdub> one_2_one: libncurses5-dev -> when you need to find a 'devel' package, search for dev
[04:32] <bigtony> linux is racking my brain
[04:32] <bigtony> i get no options like that when i right click
[04:32] <hcker2000> angelina jolie
[04:32] <bigtony> i added it to the fstab so its all good
[04:32] <hcker2000> configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[04:32] <madsen> bigtony: Hmm... Hang on...
[04:32] <one_2_one> jdub  thks and exists any serv withs this packages?
[04:33] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: bring back angelina :-P
[04:33] <jdub> one_2_one: just install it with synaptic or aptitude or apt-get
[04:33] <hcker2000> lol yea thats what happens when u ctrl+c
[04:33] <one_2_one> jdub  ok :)
[04:34] <bigtony> madsen: its possible i don't have the iirc package installed
[04:34] <bigtony> i'm not overly worried about it now i'll rack my brain on that issue another day
[04:34] <bigtony> as long as the mount works is all i care
[04:34] <madsen> bigtony: iirc == "if I recall correct" :)
[04:34] <hcker2000> so any idea what be up with the error
[04:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: I think you need libxml-perl
[04:35] <madsen> bigtony: I can click "Connect to this server" in the right-click menu of a share.
[04:35] <bigtony> yeah i have to install it
[04:35] <bigtony> ill do that later thanks for your help
[04:35] <madsen> bigtony: Install what?
[04:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: or maybe.. libxml-parser-perl
[04:35] <bigtony> the iirc
[04:36] <madsen> bigtony: As I just said: iirc is an acronym for "if I recall correct", which is not a package but a figure of speech. :)
[04:36] <bigtony> oh
[04:36] <madsen> bigtony: :)
[04:37] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: so you arn't irc? you lied to me!
[04:37] <bigtony> thanks again
[04:37] <madsen> GammaRay: No, that would have been "I'm irc", not iirc. :)
[04:38] <hcker2000> checking for libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0  libglade-2.0 >= 2.4.0... Package libgnomeui-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[04:38] <hcker2000> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `libgnomeui-2.0.pc'
[04:38] <hcker2000> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[04:38] <hcker2000> No package 'libgnomeui-2.0' found
[04:38] <madsen> GammaRay: But it's actually true... I AM irc... I transport all the irc-packages in the world by hand... (and feet!) And I'm pretty damn busy...
[04:39] <madsen> GammaRay: Busy because of the low-life's who spend all day and night on irc and giving me a workload of inhumane proportions.
[04:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: try apt-cache search libgnomeui
[04:40] <hcker2000> no 2.0 listed in there
[04:40] (BrittBS/#ubuntu) where do i put something i want to execute after x startup if i'm using gdm (so xinitrc is out), besides gnome session stuff
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: you're looking for something ending in dev
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: libgnomeui-dev - The GNOME 2 libraries (User Interface) - development files
[04:41] <hcker2000> libgnomeui-0 is installed
[04:41] <hcker2000> oh ok
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: that's what you want
[04:41] <hcker2000> thats there
[04:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) there is no 2.0 cuz there is no 1.0 packaged
[04:42] <madsen> bigtony: If you right-click on a share, select "Connect to this server" and then type in a name for the share, then it'll create a shortcut on your desktop... Nice and convenient... :)
[04:42] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) everyone dropped gnome 1.x for 2.x
[04:42] <madsen> ... speaking of which...
[04:43] <bigtony> oh i see what i was doing wrong
[04:43] <one_2_one> jdub  dont have it :(
[04:43] <bigtony> i have to click on the actual drive duh
[04:43] <bigtony> haha
[04:43] <madsen> Anyone know if there's a Human theme/style for Gtk1.2?
[04:43] <stuNNed> bigtony, got it working?
[04:43] <Agrajag> madsen: just install industrial, it's the same thing
[04:43] <madsen> 'cause sylpheed-claws isn't gtk2 yet... (!)
[04:43] <bigtony> its working perfect with the mount that i did
[04:43] <bigtony> just trying to figure out what madsen is on about with the network browse
[04:43] <madsen> Agrajag: I know, but the marking is blue, not brown...
[04:44] <Agrajag> gtk-engines-industrial - Flat-looking GTK+ 1.x engine from Ximian
[04:44] <Xamusk> does anyone here have experience with the ubuntu live CD?
[04:44] <bigtony> he is forcing me to learn more when my brain is saying beer beer beer
[04:44] <bigtony> haha
[04:44] <madsen> Agrajag: Already got industrial... I know my gtk-themes. :)
[04:44] <Agrajag> madsen: well, it's the closest you'll get. If you really have to make it the same, start hacking at industrial and make it the same
[04:44] <madsen> bigtony: hehe, got it working console-wise or nautilus-wise?
[04:45] <hcker2000> ****  Installation failed. Aborting package creation.
[04:45] <madsen> Agrajag: :( I hate hacking themes... That's what theme-devs are for...
[04:45] <bigtony> well not totaly understanding the question but i mounted it in the terminal
[04:45] <bigtony> and it list perfect in the gui
[04:45] <madsen> bigtony: Well, then don't worry about what I just said, 'cause that's the uncool way of doing it. :)
[04:45] <madsen> bigtony: nautilus is the filebrowser.
[04:45] <bigtony> ok didn't know
[04:46] <madsen> lol
[04:46] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: well that's no fun.. what steps did you follow?
[04:46] <madsen> that's probably the funniest quit-msg I've seen in a long time.
[04:46] <JStrike> jdub : How serious are you guys about using python for the bounties?
[04:46] <ajmitch_> why not python?
[04:46] <hcker2000> just said yes to the make defult documentation prompt
[04:47] <hcker2000> then error
[04:47] <JStrike> Because I dont use python? Good enought answer :-)
[04:47] <JStrike> Is C# not an option?
[04:47] <bigtony> madsen: not that im not workign i'm just in fixed it relax mode now
[04:47] <jdub> JStrike: we're doing all new development in python.
[04:47] <stuNNed> madsen, gtk-engines-industrial is the gtk1 theme of industrial, afik
[04:47] <one_2_one> where i can get libncurses5-dev (serv/link/ftp/somthing(i dont have net on linux now)) ?
[04:47] <stuNNed> afaik*
[04:47] <ajmitch_> a C# runtime would have to be part of the main system, ie either mono or dotgnu :)
[04:48] <buckminst> so once you've installed something like gtk-engines-industrial, how do you configure it to work? switch doesn't seem to want to do it.
[04:48] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : I think that it will happen sooner or later in any case
[04:48] <buckminst> and why are the fonts so huge for gtk1?
[04:48] <madsen> stuNNed: I know, I know. :)
[04:48] <ajmitch_> perhaps
[04:49] <madsen> buckminst: I made gtk-theme-switch do it...
[04:49] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: hold on.. I'm looking into it
[04:49] <hcker2000> ok
[04:49] <madsen> buckminst: It doesn't apply it to the theme-switcher, but it should work in other gtk1.2 apps.
[04:49] <carsonc> I had to symlink .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 to .gtkrc in order to get GTK+ 1.2 themes to work
[04:49] <ajmitch_> JStrike: I'm betting on mono being chosen if it does happen
[04:50] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : Of course
[04:50] <one_2_one> anyone can helpme ?
[04:50] <carsonc> gtk-theme-switch seems only to modify .gtkrc while GNOME2 is looking at .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2
[04:50] <ajmitch_> JStrike: of course? :)
[04:51] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : dotgnu is nowhere close mono
[04:52] <buckminst> madsen- it doesn't seem to be working.
[04:52] <JStrike> And they are using many of the Mono libraries for their functionality
[04:52] <madsen> buckminst: :(
[04:52] <ajmitch_> a number of them
[04:52] <JStrike> And all the (.Net) Gnome apps coming out are Mono based
[04:52] <buckminst> It's too bad I can't just emerge bluecurve like I could in Gentoo ^_^
[04:52] <buckminst> er... s/emerge/apt-get install/
[04:52] <ajmitch_> mono-based because they use gtk#/gnome#, which works on both
[04:52] <jdub> buckminst: gtk2-engines-wonderland
[04:53] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : Of course. That is the point with .Net assemblies.
[04:53] <buckminst> jdub- I was more interested in the fact that bluecurve works with both gtk1 and gtk2.
[04:53] <ajmitch_> I've got to get it to a stage where you can choose pnet or mono & the packages work equally
[04:53] <JStrike> But my point is that all the development is going into mono, not dotgnu
[04:54] <jdub> buckminst: mmm, no gtk1 version of bluecurve in universe, it seems.
[04:54] <JStrike> ajmitch_ : They dont even have a decent JIT as far as I know
[04:55] <buckminst> There seems to be a rather extensive lack of gtk1 themes i've noticed. *sigh*
[04:55] <ajmitch_> JStrike: work-in-progress, the engine uses a partial JIT for now
[04:55] <buckminst> Someone needs to hack XMMS to use gtk2... >.>
[04:55] <ajmitch_> bubulle_: beep-media-player :)
[04:55] <ajmitch_> oops, buckminst
[04:55] <madsen> buckminst: add sylpheed-claws to that list.
[04:56] <buckminst> s/chaning/changing >.>
[04:57] <JStrike> Bugger. Busy doing a bittorrent downloader and was interested in the Ubuntu bounty related to it
[04:57] <JStrike> Well, half the bounty would have to go to mass
[04:57] <hcker2000> GammaRay, ill be afk for a little bit so just drop me a pm
[04:57] <mass> JStrike: ?
[04:57] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hcker2000: ok
[04:58] <mass> JStrike: if I could get money for it, I'd have something working tomorrow ;-)
[04:58] <madsen> buckminst: I thought there weren't no stable/testing/unstable thingy in Ubuntu.
[04:58] <madsen> <- has to do his research better before installing a new distro.
[04:58] <JStrike> mass : Bah. It seems all Ubuntu bounties must be done in Python
[04:59] <buckminst> If there isn't, I sure wish there was... because I really am put off by the fact that 4.10 doesn't have Firefox 1.0, or XChat 2.4.0... or Gaim 1.0.3...
[04:59] <jdub> buckminst: there are releases every six months.
[04:59] <ajmitch_> buckminst: it's hard for distros to keep right up to the very latest :)
[04:59] <madsen> buckminst: Well, I miss Firefox 1.0... But it's not in debian unstable yet afaik.
[04:59] <mass> JStrike: even easier - I'll have a python bittorrent client in.. ok, done!
[04:59] <mass> ;-)
[04:59] <jdub> buckminst: the development branch is updated constantly at the moment.
[04:59] <buckminst> Gentoo does quite well, ajmitch_ XD
[04:59] <jdub> buckminst: the stable release is not (thus, "stable")
[04:59] <ajmitch_> gentoo is a special case for those that like it raw & bloody
[05:00] <buckminst> jdub: Hehe. I am tempted to see if I can switch to the devel branch ^_^
[05:00] <JStrike> mass : heh
[05:00] <buckminst> ajmitch_: add 'current' to that list of adjectives ^_^
[05:00] <lonytynch> hey guys i haven't been back to linux since FC2 this past summer, how's GAIM with direct connections in the AIM module now?
[05:00] <mass> gentoo is proof that when you have a compiler, everything looks like you could use source code to create a hammer to hit it with
[05:00] <lonytynch> i haven't played with it in forever and last time i did it was terrible
[05:00] <JStrike> Detecting sabdfl's hand in the Python requirement. His old bounties are pretty similar to the Ubuntu ones.
[05:01] <JStrike> Only fair I suppose. It is his money :-)
[05:01] <buckminst> So far, I'm very pleased with Ubuntu, but I'm back to the feeling of major annoyance that I had with Debian/Redhat/etc in that all of my applications will be outdated for months.
[05:01] <madsen> Hmm is Warty ~= "debian stable" and hoary ~= "debian unstable"?
[05:02] <JStrike> buckminst : That will be the same with Ubuntu. It works off the same 6 month cycle as FC
[05:02] <madsen> buckminst: Luckilly, I've still got my old debian unstable partition. :)
[05:03] <ajmitch_> buckminst: 6 months really isn't that bad
[05:03] <Xamusk> my debian unstable is quite updated
[05:03] <buckminst> madsen: well, I wiped my Gentoo install to try Ubuntu... but at the very least, I'll have an excuse to redo Gentoo with all 2.6 and NPTL ^_^
[05:03] <madsen> ajmitch_: It's a hell of a long time to wait for Firefox 1
[05:03] <madsen> buckminst: hehe
[05:03] <ajmitch_> madsen: is 0.9.3 that bad to use?
[05:03] <JStrike> Except that the Ubuntu cycle is very closely linked to the Gnome cycle, so you Gnome goodness first with Ubuntu
[05:03] <Agrajag> why wait? go to mozilla.org and download it
[05:03] <madsen> buckminst: I was only willing to sacrifice a winxp installation, which I never used anyways.
[05:03] <ajmitch_> or is it the magical 1.0 number? :)
[05:04] <madsen> ajmitch_: I miss my Live Bookmarks...
[05:04] <ajmitch_> I admittedly use sid on most of my computers
[05:04] <madsen> ajmitch_: 0.9.3 isn't bad, it's just not as great as 1.0
[05:04] <buckminst> JStrike: unless, of course... Gnome isn't your favorite ^_^
[05:04] <s0cks> How is hoarty comin along? Is it getting less buggy?
[05:04] <jdub> s0cks: one month into development, with no freezes in sight?
[05:05] <s0cks> How much of it is old code?
[05:05] <jdub> old code?
[05:05] <s0cks> code extracted from the previous release
[05:05] <jdub> it's a branch of debian sid
[05:05] <JStrike> buckminst : Of course. But then you would be using Linspire, etc instead
[05:05] <jdub> madsen: not really.
[05:06] <jdub> warty == stable, hoary == development branch
[05:06] <jdub> hoary is currently synced against sid
[05:06] <runixd> warty is not stable
[05:06] <runixd> hoary is not unstable
[05:06] <jdub> warty is released and stable
[05:06] <madsen> jdub: So the latest (and greatest?) app-versions is in hoary, or...?
[05:06] <runixd> yeah stable
[05:06] <s0cks> hoary is buggier than warty
[05:06] <jdub> hoary is a development branch, and therefore unstable
[05:07] <jdub> s0cks: it's a *development branch*
[05:07] <runixd> but they can't be compared to debian branches
[05:07] <s0cks> jdub : I KNOW!
[05:07] <s0cks> jdub : It has 5 months to come along.
[05:07] <jdub> madsen: yes
[05:07] <s0cks> jdub : With luck, it will be released on time.
[05:07] <jdub> s0cks: it will be released on time.
[05:07] <ajmitch_> luck has nothing to do with it..
[05:08] <s0cks> jdub : Anything is possible
[05:08] <madsen> jdub: And can I just to a s/warty/hoary/ in my /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade  and everything will be unstable bliss?
[05:08] <s0cks> ajmitch_ : I disagree to a certain extent
[05:08] <jdub> madsen: if you think you can handle it.
[05:08] <madsen> jdub: Well, is it more or less unstable than debian sid?
[05:08] <jdz_> madsen: throw an apt-get dist-upgrade in there :)
[05:08] <madsen> jdz_: Good idea. ;)
[05:09] <jdub> madsen: it is a branch of debian sid, synced regularly, with our changes.
[05:09] <madsen> jdub: So it's pretty much about the same?
[05:09] <jdz_> madsen: I did exactly that last Friday, and everything still works :D  I'm very imeressed.
[05:09] <madsen> jdz_: Hmm, sounds like something for my laptop to do while I'm sleeping. :)
[05:09] <s0cks> jdub : Exactly when can we expect it to be entirely stable? A week before release?
[05:10] <s0cks> jdub : How much beta testing will go into it once the finished product is settled up, before release
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: the preview release is in march, and final in april.
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: six months.
[05:10] <jdz_> s0cks: If you want something Stable, use Warty, until Hoary is released.
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: stable means unchanging, not robust.
[05:10] <YokoZar> Ok, I've got a completely hosed ubuntu system right now.  The login screen goes black and the keyboard freezes after the NVIDIA logo and the login sound.  It happened after latest dist-upgrade, where the xorg packages were installed.
[05:10] <jdub> s0cks: it will be stable in april.
[05:10] <jdz_> s0cks: Hoary is in development, it shouldn't be expected to be stable *until* it's released
[05:10] <s0cks> jdub : Yes, but a large portion of that goes to coding?
[05:10] <madsen> jdub: I've been running sid for a couple of years now with ~0 problems.
[05:11] <buckminst> So will Hoary be using XOrg 6.8?
[05:11] <jdub> buckminst: it does already.
[05:11] <s0cks> jdz_ : Point taken.
[05:11] <buckminst> Whee!
[05:11] <ajmitch_> madsen: there are always a few sid issues that come up :)
[05:11] <s0cks> jdz_: Is it to much to ask for it to be 95 percent reliable at the preview?
[05:11] <buckminst> Now, I'd thought that Warty was using XFree 4.3.99, but why do the package versions say 4.3.0?
[05:11] <madsen> jdub: With alpha-blending and drop-shadows and all?
[05:11] <jdz_> madsen: I find Hoary is very similar to Debian-Sid, but with all the Ubuntu-Goodness thrown in *grins*
[05:11] <jdub> s0cks: it's dogfoodable now.
[05:11] <s0cks> jdz_: Mozilla Firefox is less stable than at the preview
[05:11] <madsen> ajmitch_: I think I've had 2 or so.
[05:12] <YokoZar> Could my problem be a packages thing, or a drivers thing, or what?  I've been reinstalling packages for a couple hours and am quite stumped at themoment.  I even tried switching back to XServer-Xfree86 - same problem.
[05:12] <jdub> madsen: that's done by other software, not X.
[05:12] <jdz_> s0cks: Sure, but it shouldn't be used on production servers until it's released :P
[05:12] <ajmitch_> madsen: usually it'd be something related to glibc or other bad but temporary breakages
[05:12] <s0cks> jdz_: I don't think anyone in a life-saving capacity will be using the preview :P
[05:12] <ajmitch_> I haven't had to reinstall yet, so it hasn't been too bad
[05:12] <madsen> ajmitch_: Hmm, I had a gnome issue once, but that's all I remember...
[05:12] <YokoZar> glibc has a tendency to break everything.  Mainly it's because glibc doesn't make regular releases...working with the wine project has helped me learn how bad this is ;)
[05:13] <madsen> Actually, I just installed this sucker today, so why not try to bring it up2date...
[05:13] <jdz_> jdub: btw:  awsome work man.  I see you in here answering questions all the time :D
[05:13] <s0cks> jdz_: How much of this release will be focused on fixing the installer towards a graphical and making the partitioning easier?
[05:13] <PorscheBoy> damn...how come some of the flash games are so choppy and messed up under linux?
[05:13] <madsen> So, just s/warty/hoary/ in the /etc/apt/sources.list and than update/dist-upgrade? Nothing else?
[05:14] <buckminst> madsen- other than early risk of heart attacks... XD
[05:14] <jdz_> s0cks: I don't think there's much, if any focus on a graphical installer..
[05:14] <jdub> s0cks: unlikely that we'll have a gui installer for this release.
[05:14] <YokoZar> Yeah the Ubuntu developers are really awesome.  I even had one fix a huge problem related to the kernel patches for me last time I was in here, heh.  Now I've got an X problem :)
[05:14] <s0cks> jdz_, jdub : Can we expect it in the next release after hoary?
[05:14] <jdz_> madsen: One more thing: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locals', and convert to utf8 :D
[05:14] <madsen> buckminst: Hehe, after sid'ing for 2 years and Gentoo'ing some before that I think can handle it. ;)
[05:14] <jdub> s0cks: no plans.
[05:14] <madsen> jdub: ?
[05:14] <s0cks> jdub : Someone needs to do it.
[05:15] <carsonc> Why?  What's the focus on GUI installs?
[05:15] <ajmitch_> s0cks: why does it have to be graphical?
[05:15] <s0cks> carsonc : Makes it easier and prettier.
[05:15] <YokoZar> umm I don't have package "locals" is that a problem?
[05:15] <carsonc> They don't make things easier--hell, a full WindowsXP install isn't GUIfied
[05:15] <jdub> s0cks: there are no plans for the release after hoary at this stage.
[05:15] <s0cks> carsonc : Point taken.
[05:15] <s0cks> carsonc : People are always bitchin about that though.
[05:15] <ajmitch_> people like eyecandy
[05:16] <s0cks> jdub : Indeed. Take it one step at a time.
[05:16] <madsen> jdub: Why would I want to reconfigure locals to utf8
[05:16] <jdz_> YokoZar: 'locales', pardon my misspelling
[05:16] <s0cks> ajmitch_: People like to show stuff of to other people.
[05:16] <madsen> jdz_: --^ The one directed at jdub.
[05:16] <s0cks> ajmitch_: Which hince why we don't have a graphical installer.
[05:16] <madsen> jdub: That last one was meant for jdz_ :)
[05:17] <s0cks> corsonc: The Windows XP partitioner isn't easy either. (I fly through partitions, I am the partition king.)
[05:18] <YokoZar> jdz_: ok fixed that, but will that - what exactly will that do?
[05:18] <buckminst> I despise the fact that FC removed the commandline fdisk option. fdisk and cfdisk are _the_ fastest ways to partition =)
[05:18] <madsen> buckminst: hear, hear! :)
[05:19] <PorscheBoy> are there any linux distros with good support for flash?
[05:19] <s0cks> buckminst : People in my CET class don't even know what fdisk is.
[05:19] <madsen> buckminst: Even though I haven't used any RH-thing since RH 7.2
[05:19] <madsen> s0cks: That doesn't mean it shouldn't be available for people who DO know what it is.
[05:19] <s0cks> madsen : Indeed.
[05:19] <madsen> PorscheBoy: It's pretty much the same all around I think.
[05:19] <s0cks> madsen : I love them.
[05:20] <s0cks> afk for a bit, working on my server.
[05:20] <JStrike> PorscheBoy : NLD is good. But what is wrong with Ubuntu?
[05:20] <madsen> s0cks: the people or *fdisk? ;)
[05:20] <PorscheBoy> madsen: is that right?
[05:20] <s0cks> madsen : _FDISK_. The people suck.
[05:20] <madsen> PorscheBoy: It's now a _fact_, I just drew the logical conclusion...
[05:20] <madsen> s0cks: Yeah, people suck in general...
[05:20] <PorscheBoy> madsen: alright
[05:21] <YokoZar> Hmm, I can't figure out a way to email the ubuntu-users lists in single user mode
[05:21] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Sorry, not "_now_", I mean, "_not_". :)
[05:21] <madsen> YokoZar: Btw, you had the problem with using more logins in single user mode, right?
[05:21] <PorscheBoy> hopefully in the future they will have a better and stable flash plug-in
[05:21] <mass> is there a web interface for browsing universe?
[05:22] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I think that ShockWave is responsible for the plugin.
[05:22] <JStrike> Really. Haven't had any problems myself with flash.
[05:22] <natex> mass: Synaptic is ok no?
[05:22] <PorscheBoy> madsen, u mean macromedia?
[05:22] <s0cks> Shoot. I am missing alot of ram.
[05:22] <YokoZar> madsen: Yeah, I'm running screen now for that.  That problem was just so I could try and treat the bigger problem of not being able to get to the login screen :)
[05:22] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Yeah. Sorry... I'm not really into flash.
[05:23] <madsen> YokoZar: I was about to suggest 'screen'. :)
[05:23] <PorscheBoy> madsen, that's cool
[05:23] <mass> natex: I was thinking more like packages.debian.org
[05:23] <mass> :)
[05:23] <madsen> PorscheBoy: :)
[05:23] <YokoZar> I thought flash was Macromedia
[05:23] <jdub> madsen: not atm
[05:24] <madsen> Well, I better get to bed and make the upgrade from Warty to Hoary. :)
[05:24] <madsen> jdub: What? Flash?
[05:24] <PorscheBoy> YokoZar, flash is made by macromedia
[05:24] <YokoZar> PorscheBoy: and so is shockwave, right?
[05:24] <PorscheBoy> YokoZar, true
[05:25] <mass> hmm yucky
[05:25] <PorscheBoy> reason i want flash is most of the nice looking sites use flash
[05:25] <buckminst> Well. this is remarkably confusing.
[05:25] <buckminst> http://nub.wakachan.net/b/src/1100815615201.jpg
[05:25] <buckminst> er.
[05:25] <buckminst> not that.
[05:25] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Uh, careful now... I think that's a matter of taste. :)
[05:26] <buckminst> Setting up samba (3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2) ...
[05:26] <buckminst> Generating /etc/default/samba...
[05:26] <buckminst> Can't sampwent!
[05:26] <buckminst> dpkg: error processing samba (--configure):
[05:26] <buckminst>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:26] <PorscheBoy> madsen, true
[05:26] <buckminst> that.
[05:26] <jdub> madsen: no packages.debian.org style interface
[05:26] <buckminst> What the heck is "sampwent"?
[05:26] <madsen> jdub: Was I talking about that? (?)
[05:27] <madsen> Hmm, warty-security should be replaced by hoary-security in sources.list, or... ?
[05:31] <madsen> nm, thought of looking in the wiki. :)
[05:34] <madsen> Well, updateing to hoary with utf8. :) See you later folks and sleep tight all!
[05:44] <thully> how are the kernel packages built for Ubuntu?  I know that they are built so that headers is sufficient to build drivers, and I want to build my own headers package in this way.
[05:46] <carsonc> Er, doesn't make-kpkg have a headers target?
[05:46] <thully> yes - that's whay I've been using
[05:47] <carsonc> So I assume that's no longer working for you, since you asked
[05:47] <thully> The package I get can't be used to build HSF drivers without source installed ( in this situation I want to build headers packages that don't need the kernel source to work w/these drivers)
[05:58] <mike_> im getting tired of kde.. any reccomendations of what to switch to ?
[05:58] <hcker2000> flux box
[05:58] <farruinn> afterstep is fun =)
[05:59] <pixelmonkey> mike_: gnome with xfwm4 ;)
[06:00] <JStrike> Mike : Well, you are running Ubuntu. They pay a lot of gnome hackers to make an awsome desktop for you
[06:00] <JStrike> oops
[06:00] <JStrike> That was meant for mike_
[06:01] <alka_trash> ubuntu is the sh!t
[06:01] <alka_trash> that's means it's good
[06:01] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, yep, good way of putting it
[06:04] <hcker2000> any one know if ubuntu has modem suport for a powerbook g4?
[06:04] <pixelmonkey> mike_: if you dont like Gnome, I'd recommend XFCE
[06:04] <JStrike> or rather, Ubuntu does pay Gnome hackers, they *are* gnome hackers (Well, many of them at least)
[06:05] <pixelmonkey> mike_: it's lightweight, it's fast, it's still GTK2-based, and the latest beta (4.2 RC1) is really quite nice (debs available which work *unsupported* on Ubuntu)
[06:08] <s0cks> I feel like hacking out a script to auto-away aim.
[06:08] <s0cks> oops
[06:08] <s0cks> wrong channek
[06:08] <s0cks> l*
[06:09] <pixelmonkey> s0cks, uh, that exists
[06:09] <pixelmonkey> s0cks, so you don't need to write a script anyway
[06:09] <s0cks> Where?
[06:09] <pixelmonkey> in gaim?
[06:09] <s0cks> isn't it mad buggy?
[06:10] <pixelmonkey> s0cks, uhm... if by buggy you mean it sets an away message after you go idle for n minutes
[06:10] <s0cks> lol
[06:10] <farruinn> s0cks, used to be maybe, but definitely not now
[06:10] <JStrike> Bloody gaim. Cant wait untill Gossip has client side multi-protocol support so I can get rid of the uncooperative piece of sh1t
[06:11] <mass> JStrike: is gossip going to ever have client side multi-protocol support?
[06:11] <jdub> mass: yes, it will.
[06:11] <JStrike> mass : Yep. They are busy with it. Using libgaim
[06:11] <pixelmonkey> gossip?
[06:11] <mass> lol
[06:11] <JStrike> And jdub has been on the gossip lists :-)
[06:11] <pixelmonkey> is that a GTK app?
[06:11] <mass> so what is it exactly you are trying to get away from, jstrike?
[06:12] <JStrike> mass : They are not gnome friendly.
[06:12] <s0cks> Gaim doesn't support buddyprofile.com
[06:12] <JStrike> They have rejected gnomemeeting intergration
[06:12] <JStrike> Which the immedio is happy about for gosssip
[06:13] <mass> I have a friend who worked on gossip a while ago
[06:13] <mass> kdough :)
[06:13] <JStrike> Which makes me very happy. It will mean something similar to Skype for Gnome
[06:14] <mass> eh? how is that?
[06:14] <mass> skype isn't cool because you can chat through it, its cool because it can work even if both parties are behind firewalls :)
[06:15] <JStrike> We just need to get chipX86 onboard gossip
[06:15] <JStrike> mass : Nah. It is because it is really easy to use.
[06:15] <JStrike> Trust me. Most people are not running firewalls, unless using it from the office
[06:15] <mass> JStrike: I do not know a single person (personally) who is not behind a NAT at home
[06:16] <JStrike> But that is nevertheless a cool feature
[06:16] <JStrike> mass : Know you know one
[06:16] <mass> :)
[06:16] <mass> this is probably because you are not running windows :)
[06:16] <JStrike> Fair enough :-)
[06:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mass: I know a few
[06:16] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) but not many
[06:16] <mass> running windows on the open internet is kinda like walking across busy intersections at night in black camo
[06:17] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mass: s/intersection/freeway/
[06:18] <hcker2000> it would be so nice if apple would release information to linux distributions so modems would freaking work
[06:18] <JStrike> I haven't used windows in a good many years, but I never had any issues with it. It never crashed. Ever. I also never got a virus. Ever
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows a good file archiving app?
[06:19] <JStrike> File-Roller
[06:19] <gen> definitely file roller
[06:19] <Rene_S> Winzip
[06:19] <mass> JStrike: you haven't used it in a good many years, thats why
[06:19] <PorscheBoy> i hate the one that came with gnome
[06:19] <JStrike> It should come with Ubuntu
[06:20] <PorscheBoy> it's slow and u can't drag-n-drop
[06:20] <JStrike> Yes you can
[06:20] <farruinn> why not just use gzip?
[06:20] <PorscheBoy> winzip and winrar r the best ones on windows but what about linux?
[06:21] <PorscheBoy> i need one with gui not text-based
[06:21] <Rene_S> I just use the one in KDE so I dunno what would be good in Gnome, the Fileroller one has always worked for me in the past
[06:22] <PorscheBoy> fileroller is fine but it has some bugs
[06:23] <gen> such as
[06:23] <PorscheBoy> for example, i can't drag the files out of fileroller window
[06:23] <gen> who says thats a bug?
[06:23] <JStrike> And uncompress them?
[06:23] <JStrike> Or to remove them?
[06:24] <PorscheBoy> gen, just drag a file out of fileroller window and see if it works...i know of course it works if u click on extract button
[06:25] <JStrike> You can extract via drag and drop. I know that for a fact
[06:25] <gen> works for me porsche
[06:25] <PorscheBoy> sometimes u just have to admit the truth man...fileroller sucks compared to winRAR
[06:25] <Rene_S> Can anyone explain Anti-aliasing in english ?  I can never find a explanation that I can understand.
[06:25] <JStrike> PorscheBoy : Dude, sometimes you have to admit you are talking rubbish
[06:26] <eruin> what could "./configure: line 1318: syntax error near unexpected token `config.h'" mean when running configure on a source? (I've built from the exact same source on fedora)
[06:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Rene_S: http://www.widearea.co.uk/designer/anti.html
[06:26] <farruinn> PorscheBoy, well, since winRAR cannot be used with Ubuntu I think that's irrelevant to this channel's discussion
[06:26] <Rene_S> HrdwrBoB: oh cool pictures, that helps thanks
[06:26] <gen> rese_s:  A technique that smooths the roughness in images or sound caused by aliasing. During frequency sampling, aliasing generates a false (alias) frequency along with the correct one. With images this produces a stair-step effect. Anti-aliasing corrects this by adjusting pixel positions or setting pixel intensities so that there is a more gradual transition between pixels.
[06:26] <gen> rene*
[06:26] <PorscheBoy> JStrike i know exactly what i'm talking about
[06:26] <pixelmonkey> Rene_S: when fonts have "jaggies", they are not anti-aliased.  When fonts look "smooth" they are.  To discover what makes a font have "jaggies" or be smooth, simply take a screenshot of your desktop and zoom in with the gimp.
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> i know that most of u guys r using firefox, right?
[06:27] <gen> correct
[06:27] <gen> can you stop with the "u" and "r" please, it makes baby jesus cry
[06:27] <PorscheBoy> ok...go to www.yahoo.com and see if it displays the page correctly
[06:27] <pixelmonkey> Speaking of, why in God's name doesn't Ubuntu have Galeon in Universe?
[06:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: I don't understand why there are single letters in your incomplete sentence
[06:28] <eruin> PorscheBoy, yeah
[06:28] <gen> porscheboy: works fine
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> I don't mind compiling from CVS, but this little pixelmonkey thinks Galeon is the best browser on earth.
[06:28] <PorscheBoy> man...they page is messed up when i go to yahoo
[06:28] <eruin> pixelmonkey, it was until firefox matured
[06:28] <pixelmonkey> eruin, I still like it over Firefox.
[06:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) pixelmonkey: I agree, however if you fiddle with it a bit, firefox works the same as galeon
[06:29] <pixelmonkey> eruin, I use Firefox on Windows, but Firefox still doesn't have some basic things Galeon does.
[06:29] <JStrike> Nah. FF is nice, but even Ephy kill galeon
[06:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) er
[06:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) epiphany is a giant bundle of crap
[06:29] <farruinn> eruin, did you download a tar.gz or something for the galeon source?
[06:29] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it had no features
[06:29] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, I have to agree
[06:29] <farruinn> try sudo apt-get source -b galeon
[06:29] <PorscheBoy> firefox on linux is a little bit different the windows
[06:30] <carsonc> Well, it displayed web pages.  I'd say that's pretty much THE feature in a web browser
[06:30] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, epiphany = gnome philosophy taken to an extreme level
[06:30] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) pixelmonkey: yeah
[06:30] <JStrike> Ephy is very HIG complient and Gnome integrated
[06:30] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, as Miguel De Icaza once put it, "Gnome once suffered from featuritis, but the answer isn't what some developers do now: no features.  We need a balance."
[06:30] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) JStrike: yeah and it had 0 of the hundred of features that made galeon good
[06:30] <farruinn> eruin, sorry, disregard that, I wasn't following the conversation correctly
[06:31] <JStrike> That is what made the lead developer of galeon leave. It was getting to be a fsking KDE app
[06:31] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes, but epiphany goes WAY too far in the other direction
[06:31] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, I think Galeon 1.x was becoming a KDE app
[06:31] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it's offers no flexibility
[06:31] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) *it
[06:31] <pixelmonkey> but Galeon 2.x has struck a nice balance, and since 1.3.17 when Crispin did performance improvements, it's fast.
[06:31] <hcker2000> GammaRay, from what i can find the modem dosnt work in ubuntu
[06:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) that's funny, because I far prefer Galeon 1.2.x to 1.3.x or Epiphany
[06:32] <carsonc> Out of curiosity, what features did Galeon have that Epiphany didn't?  Not a troll, I've just never really used either to any extent aside from just displaying normal webpages
[06:32] <carsonc> s/did/does
[06:32] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) the main thing is open new windows in a tab
[06:33] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) everything should open in a tab
[06:33] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) .. ok
[06:33] <JStrike> Ephy can do that
[06:33] <JStrike> In exactly the same way as FireFox
[06:33] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) middle click should open the current past buffer in a new tab
[06:34] <JStrike> What??
[06:34] <pixelmonkey> carsonc: let's see... save tabs as bookmark folder, session management/recovery, bookmark toolbar, smart bookmarks (bookmarks with searchable fields)
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) also one thing that galeon did right that NO other browser I have seen has done
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) if I right click on the home button
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it should have an option to set the home pahge
[06:34] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) page
[06:34] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, I think ephy higifies it by letting you d-n-d the link onto home
[06:34] <JStrike> HrdwrBoB : That is a nice feature
[06:35] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, ok I'm wrong, I'm running epiphany now
[06:35] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) pixelmonkey: yeah but t right click on home is intuitive as well
[06:35] <pixelmonkey> HrdwrBoB, gotta go to preferences to set homepage :)
[06:36] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yeah
[06:36] <JStrike> I must admit. I really like the look of FF's download manager. Very nice
[06:36] <pixelmonkey> also, Epiphany gutted the "personal info" dialog
[06:36] <pixelmonkey> which I love in Galeon, especially when I do web development
[06:36] <pixelmonkey> and I can quickly clear out specific cookies and such
[06:36] <JStrike> Isn't that in Gnome?
[06:37] <JStrike> Oh. I see
[06:37] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, not sure, in epiphany the dialog has two tabs, in Galeon it has 6 or so and is searchable :)
[06:37] <PorscheBoy> how do you convert ReiserFS to XFS?
[06:37] <pixelmonkey> in any event
[06:38] <pixelmonkey> they are both solid browsers, but Galeon is way better.  Epiphany is "radicalized Gnome"
[06:38] <pixelmonkey> Firefox and Galeon are same footing I think, and will only get better as Firefox integrated with Gnome more
[06:38] <JStrike> Yep
[06:39] <JStrike> But there are limits
[06:39] <pixelmonkey> also, I like FIrefox's plugin/extension architecture
[06:39] <pixelmonkey> that's one thing they definitely have on Galeon
[06:40] <JStrike> But shaver is doing an incredible job with FF, especially the Gnome stuff
[06:40] <pixelmonkey> yea, don't get me wrong, Firefox rocks.  I could never use Windows without it
[06:40] <pixelmonkey> IE is such garbage
[06:40] <pixelmonkey> it makes me want to puke all over the computer that runs it (in fact, IE does the puking with its spyware nonsense)
[06:41] <calc> ms is hurting badly enough from gecko uptake that they are now planning on releasing an IE7
[06:41] <calc> perhaps IE7 will fix a few of the bugs in IE
[06:41] <pixelmonkey> IE is just a disaster of a browser.
[06:41] <eruin> LIKE THE FKIN BOX MODEL?! ;o
[06:41] <pixelmonkey> IE sucked ever since IE4
[06:41] <Tomcat_> I doubt IE7 can fix anything... except if the browser was rewritten from scratch.
[06:41] <gen> microsoft is a disaster of a company
[06:42] <pixelmonkey> at least in the original days it was just refashioned NCSA Mosaic.
[06:42] <JStrike> MS did an incredible job with IE. the problem is that they haven't released a new version for many years
[06:42] <pixelmonkey> so it sucked in a good way
[06:42] <eruin> how can I create a deb from an untarred source directory?
[06:42] <JStrike> gen : I disagree
[06:42] <gen> :)
[06:42] <Tomcat_> "incredible job"?
[06:42] <eruin> it already has the needed debian dir in it
[06:42] <JStrike> Tomcat_ : yep
[06:42] <gen> how did ms do an incredible job
[06:42] <Tomcat_> How can a company so big with millions of coders do an incredible job with such bad software? :>
[06:42] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, you can say MS did an incredible job with Visual Studio, or even with Exchange Server, but IE?
[06:43] <calc> ie was never any good spec wise
[06:43] <pixelmonkey> Come on.
[06:43] <Tomcat_> Firefox is an open-source program by a bunch of OS freaks, and it rocks. :)
[06:43] <JStrike> IE was a shitload better than Netscape after a point
[06:43] <Tomcat_> I agree with pixelmonkey... MS did a good job on many programs, but definitely not IE. :)
[06:43] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : IE's problem was that development was abandoned years ago
[06:43] <Tomcat_> JStrike: Yes, but only because Netscape was worse. :)
[06:43] <calc> JStrike: that was mostly caused by the browser arms race
[06:43] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, only because Netscape was amateurish in how they approached the original open-source like dev model
[06:43] <Tomcat_> Anyway, gotta go.
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, they released buggy code early and often which led many users to think Netscape was buggy in general
[06:44] <JStrike> Tomcat_ : And FireFox has taken *way* too long to come out
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> even though there WERE stable versions floating around
[06:44] <calc> ms had many more people/resources to throw at it, and they still managed to bungle it badly
[06:44] <JStrike> It is almost an embarrassment to oss
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> trust me, it also didn;t help netscape that Microsoft bundled IE with their OS
[06:44] <pixelmonkey> prior to MS doing that, Netscape "was" the Internet to a lot of people
[06:44] <jdub> dudes, this is all pretty wildly off-topic :-)
[06:45] <gen> just a tad
[06:45] <pixelmonkey> eh whatever
[06:45] <JStrike> It didn't help. But they were beaten fair and square
[06:45] <Rene_S> Hmm, well not really I can run all those Browsers in Ubuntu
[06:45] <calc> jdub: #ubuntu means blackhole of all off topic freenode discussions :)
[06:45] <auk> firefox rules
[06:45] <Rene_S> :)
[06:45] <Rene_S> I can make anything on-topic
[06:45] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, Opera beat Netscape and MS fair and square, but you don't see everyone using Opera
[06:46] <calc> someone was wanting to run Netscape 3 on debian recently, posted asking for libc5 versions of various libs :)
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, I think that the OS bundling did more than "help" :)
[06:46] <JStrike> jdub is like miguel. Kills all goof flamewars when they start to get intersting
[06:46] <JStrike> Unless he is in the mood for one :-)
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> flame wars are fun
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> we're not even flaming though
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> we all agree that IE sucks now.
[06:46] <auk> yes
[06:46] <pixelmonkey> I mean, it's not even tabbed.  Come on.
[06:47] <gen> we're flaming ie then, yes?
[06:47] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : MS do a cunning job of making a better product and then bundling it
[06:47] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, look, Im just saying if there was ever an MS failure, it was Microsoft Bob.  And IE.
[06:47] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : Did you ever actually run Opera? It had a horrible interface
[06:47] <JStrike> I agree on Bob :-)
[06:47] <calc> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
[06:48] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, eh, nah, I just said that based on hearsay ;)
[06:48] <auk> whats Bob?
[06:48] <pixelmonkey> don't ask
[06:48] <calc> auk: a dumbed down gui to replace win3.1's default gui
[06:48] <carsonc> MS Bob was awesome
[06:48] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) hey what?
[06:48] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) When makign packages of gnome apps, gconf schemas have to handled specially right? [im not just going insane?] 
[06:49] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: I don't know if you got an answer but the how you do it is this 'cp'
[06:49] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) you cannot 'convert'
[06:49] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) from reiser to XFS
[06:49] <calc> http://www.telecommander.com/pics/links/application%20software/microsoft/Microsoft_Bob_1_0/Microsoft_Bob_1_0.htm
[06:50] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) oh, and XFS isn't all it's cracked up to be, if the SCSI cable to the external storage unit gets removed, it can still break
[06:50] <pixelmonkey> speaking of HIG compliance, is there any effort to replace XChat, which is not HIG/Gnome compliant at all?
[06:50] <calc> jdub: hopefully #ubuntu won't become as bad as #debian ;)
[06:50] <JStrike> There are efforts. But nothing really great
[06:51] <jdub> xfs 'breaks' a lot. if you need a seriously robust file system, use ext3 with data journalling (not the default).
[06:51] <jdub> pixelmonkey: see gnomechat
[06:51] <PorscheBoy> HrdwrBoB, so is there a way i can do it without losing my data?
[06:51] <JStrike> gaim has quite a nice irc interface that I use
[06:51] <pixelmonkey> jdub, gracias
[06:51] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you cannot convert
[06:51] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) PorscheBoy: you need to copy
[06:51] <jdub> PorscheBoy: back up, reformat, replace.
[06:51] <PorscheBoy> copy?
[06:51] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes, copy it from a resier volume to an XFS volume
[06:52] <PorscheBoy> then i need another HD, right?
[06:53] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, wow, I actually never knew Gaim had IRC support too
[06:53] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : It is really nice
[06:53] <JStrike> You can save channels just like buddies
[06:54] <JStrike> Set them to auto-join if you want
[06:54] <pixelmonkey> JStrike, oh wow it isn't bad
[06:54] <JStrike> If only gaim didn't have such a crap "account" interface
[06:56] <pixelmonkey> it's funny you mentioned gaim, I was just reading mailing list archives about gaim possibly being included in Gnome
[06:56] <pixelmonkey> and all these HIG experts saying "Gaim is a disaster UI-wise!"
[06:56] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) it isnt the best UI
[06:56] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) its by no means terrible
[06:57] <ajmitch_> is there a decent nx client that might get into hoary?
[06:57] <pixelmonkey> yea, I think for users of windows/mac AIM it's familiar yet better
[06:57] <pixelmonkey> familiar UI with added benefits like tabbed conversations, spell checking, plugins, etc.
[06:57] <mass> ok, don't justify any UI comparing it to windows AIM
[06:57] <mass> :P
[06:58] <pixelmonkey> mass: I'm just saying it's familiar.
[06:58] <mass> someone could throw up on a page and it would look better than AIM
[06:58] <mass> :)
[06:58] <pixelmonkey> anyway it's been fun doing OT conversation
[06:58] <pixelmonkey> I'm off to get my work done :-P
[06:58] <Rene_S> Everyone's a critic
[06:59] <JStrike> pixelmonkey : That is because it is currently the best there is. But now that Gossip is going to use libgaim, there is a very good chance Gossip will replace gaim
[06:59] <JStrike> Damn. He left
[06:59] <JStrike> I should as well
[06:59] <JStrike> Cheers Everyone
[07:00] <calc> is the imendio site dead to everyone or just to me?
[07:00] <JStrike> Nope. It  works
[07:00] <Rene_S> And that Concludes another Episode of The Gnome Critic, stay tuned now for Ubuntu Chat here on #Ubuntu.
[07:00] <calc> i can't even trace to it
[07:01] <calc> dies after fw-telia.euroling.se
[07:02] <mass> so is there anything really developer-facing for ubuntu?
[07:02] <riffic> so i fixed the problems with my hoary locking up with gnome
[07:02] <mass> besides the wiki
[07:02] <riffic> i reinstalled warty =/
[07:06] <riffic> anyways
[07:06] <riffic> crotchspawn
[07:07] <Rene_S> You should see a doctor for that
[07:16] <attifinch> hi
[07:27] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[07:32] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[07:34] <Burgundavia> hey, I just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and I cannot get the battery applet to show the amount of battery power
[07:34] <RuffianSoldier> Burgundavia, its because your laptop is about to turn off! YOUR OUT OF POWER!
[07:35] <RuffianSoldier> What desktop are you using?
[07:35] <billytwowilly> updating appears to have borked cpu stepping. What is the configuration file to fix this?
[07:35] <billytwowilly> /etc/acpi doesn't appear to have any config files
[07:39] <aoeiu> hey buddies
[07:40] <aoeiu> I can build the mini.iso by running command `make build_netboot' with debian-installer source codes.
[07:40] <aoeiu> but I want to build the netinst.iso (include the Base System)
[07:40] <aoeiu> How to do it?
[07:40] <aoeiu> And how to include other packages? Say apache2.
[07:40] <aoeiu> Thanks!
[07:42] <billytwowilly> what is the name of the acpi configuration file? acpi.conf doesn't exist in /etc
[07:42] <Burgundavia> RuffianSoldier: warty of course
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm
[07:42] <RuffianSoldier> im not sure
[07:43] <RuffianSoldier> never used Linux on a laptop
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> why is noone talking?
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> this is creepy
[08:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it's late in this timezone.
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> its 2 AM where im at
[08:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) yep, EST.
[08:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) it _is_ Monday morning, the beginning of the work week.
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> where you at?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> Im in Ohio
[08:03] (crimsun/#ubuntu) North Carolina
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> ic
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> whod you vote for? (Sorry for off topic but no one is even talking here)
[08:05] (crimsun/#ubuntu) a winner in his own right
[08:05] <RuffianSoldier> Kerry? :-)
[08:05] (crimsun/#ubuntu) a wonder if anyone has any Ubuntu questions.
[08:05] <RuffianSoldier> same
[08:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I wonder, rather.
[08:06] <RuffianSoldier> thats what im waiting for
[08:06] <RuffianSoldier> well, anyway, Kerry is cool
[08:06] <RuffianSoldier> Now, who here loves Ubuntu
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) not me; I think it's horrible.
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> why?
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) no reason in particular.
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> haha
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[08:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) :P
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> THEN LEAVE :-o
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> if you nolikey, why you here
[08:07] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) love it or leave it?
[08:08] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: is your real name.. Bush? :-P
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> huh?
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> wtf you on about?
[08:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) heh
[08:08] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) denial!
[08:08] <RuffianSoldier> my real name is Henry Hill
[08:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) you just sorta sound like what I'd imagine Bush saying around the whitehouse
[08:09] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the same Henry Hill who killed 28 people w/ the sharp edge of a tin can?
[08:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) about time, too
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: gah.. you missed the best part
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> copy paste it
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) GammaRay> you just sorta sound like what I'd imagine Bush saying around the whitehouse
[08:11] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) GammaRay> the same Henry Hill who killed 28 people w/ the sharp edge of a tin can?
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> hahaha
[08:12] (Lathiat/#ubuntu) :)
[08:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) "if you nolikey, why you here" -- George W Bush
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> hahaha, it does sound like Bush
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> that is crazy!
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> How do I choose to hide Icons in GNOME?
[08:17] <Agrajag> RuffianSoldier: desktop icons?
[08:17] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[08:17] <Agrajag> I think you have to go into gconf
[08:17] <Agrajag> applications > system tools > configuration editor
[08:18] <Agrajag> then go to apps/nautilus/desktop
[08:18] <Agrajag> click the checkboxes, changes appear immediately
[08:18] <RuffianSoldier> hmmm
[08:18] <RuffianSoldier> no icon thing
[08:19] <Agrajag> huh
[08:19] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) anybody have experience with installing skype?
[08:19] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: sure. What do you need?
[08:20] <Agrajag> you don't see computer_icon_visible, documents_icon_visible, home_icon_visible, trash_icon_visible, or volumes_visible?
[08:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, well, in short, i can't get it to work
[08:20] <Agrajag> Oh you're just going to leave instead
[08:20] <Agrajag> Don't know why I bother
[08:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, did you just find a deb and use apt-get?
[08:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Agrajag: remember, he's george bush in disguise. Cut him some slack.
[08:20] <humbo> How do I install libdvdcss. Jacob on planet.gnome.org seems to imply it can be apt-get'ed but my system says there is no such package.
[08:20] <Agrajag> oh
[08:20] <Agrajag> well I hate george bush, I'm definitely not helping him now
[08:21] <humbo> *jakub, that is
[08:21] <Agrajag> humbo: you need to add a repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:21] <humbo> which one?
[08:21] <Agrajag> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[08:21] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: no, I untarred the tarball in my home directory
[08:21] <Agrajag> I think that's the one
[08:21] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, ok, where did you find it?
[08:22] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: the skype web site
[08:22] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: click download
[08:22] <jysse> how can i remove postfix without removing ubuntu-base and others ?
[08:23] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, ok, which one?  SuSE, mandrake, fedora, dynamic or static?
[08:23] (crimsun/#ubuntu) dynamic
[08:24] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) jysse: maybe --ignore-depends=package,...
[08:27] <jysse> thanx, i will try it. I would like to test qmail with info from qmailrocks.org.
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jysse: install another MTA
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jysse: having a mail server on your system is mandatory
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) jysse: it'll break a lot more...
[08:29] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (if you don't have one)
[08:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm why does postfix depend on at?
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> http://img13.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img13&image=Ubuntu.jpg
[08:31] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) or rather, why does at depend on postfix?
[08:32] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: at depends on mail-transfer-agent, postfix is one..
[08:32] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) GammaRay: because at mails the output of  the program it ran to the person who asked to run it
[08:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) ic
[08:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) like cron..
[08:32] <RuffianSoldier> http://img13.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img13&image=Ubuntu.jpg = My Ubuntu desktop (Just went back to Gnome from KDE.... I like both equilly!)
[08:34] <RuffianSoldier> GammaRay, look at my screen
[08:36] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, i had a friend who was helping me out, and he tried that on my machine
[08:36] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crimsun, it apparently installed
[08:37] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) but when i try to run it, it gives me this error  skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:38] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) and he has tried to find that lib file in the universal repository or something, and he hasn't been able to replace it to make it work
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: k, one sec.
[08:43] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[08:43] <humbo> Gosh darn. ubuntuforums.org doesn't seem to have a very good uptime record...
[08:43] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: sudo apt-get install libqt3c102-mt
[08:44] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) libqt3c102-mt is already the newest version.
[08:45] (crimsun/#ubuntu) dpkg -l libqt3c102\*|grep ^ii
[08:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ii  libqt3c102-mt  3.2.3-4ubuntu1 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime version)
[08:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) (...whatever that means)
[08:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074: is that all?
[08:46] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea
[08:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) interesting.
[08:46] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) uh huh...
[08:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) you don't seem to have 'libqt3c102' installed
[08:47] (crimsun/#ubuntu) sudo apt-get --reinstall install libqt3c102 libqt3c102-mt
[08:47] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) but i have installed it....it just says i haven't....?
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Setting up libqt3c102 (3.2.3-4ubuntu1) ...
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Setting up libqt3c102-mt (3.2.3-4ubuntu1) ...
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) bigbrother0074@ubuntu ~ $
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sorry for flooding.... :/
[08:48] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ok.
[08:48] (crimsun/#ubuntu) now try running skype again.
[08:48] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) same error
[08:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) all right.
[08:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) then you'll have to use the static version
[08:49] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I'll download the dynamic and try it.
[08:49] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[08:50] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) so what exactly is it i should do?  do i need to DL it now and try it? or are you gonna work on the dynamic problem first?
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) lemme see if I can reproduce the problem with the dynamic tar.bz2
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 'twill only take a min
[08:51] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) okie dokie
[08:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) in the meantime, go ahead and download the 6 MB static version
[08:51] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[08:52] (crimsun/#ubuntu) all right.
[08:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the dynamic version (0.92.0.12) works fine here
[08:53] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) grrr
[08:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) try the static version
[08:54] (crimsun/#ubuntu) that should at least resolve the libqt-* problem
[08:54] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok...now that it's DLed...?
[08:55] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i'm not real good at this ;)
[08:55] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) dpkg?
[08:55] (crimsun/#ubuntu) nope
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) just make sure you're in your home directory; then untar it: tar xfj skype...tar.bz2
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) replace the ellipses (...) with the actual filename
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) remember you can use tab completion in the terminal
[08:56] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) done
[08:56] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) now change into that directory
[08:56] (crimsun/#ubuntu) and run ./skype
[08:57] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) geez
[08:58] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea.....
[08:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) dpkg -l libxrender1|grep ^ii
[08:58] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ii  libxrender1    0.8.3-7        X Rendering Extension client library
[08:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) interesting, you have all the necessary libs installed
[08:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) are you running amd64?
[08:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) as far as i know
[08:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) yea
[08:59] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ah
[09:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I bet that's the issue
[09:00] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ??? i thought ubuntu was for a 64....
[09:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) there is, but I'm uncertain whether skype will run on amd64
[09:00] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I'm not well-versed with amd64, either; a few people here are
[09:01] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i see
[09:01] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: around? :)
[09:01] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) well thanks for you help nonetheless
[09:04] <knarph> hello
[09:05] <knarph> anyone here got doom3 running in Ubuntu?
[09:07] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) not i
[09:07] <knarph> hrmm
[09:07] <knarph> got a weird bug that causes crashing
[09:07] <knarph> i think its in the sound, but i'm not sure where exactly to look
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i'm here to get help, not dole it out....i'm mostly useless to you
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sorry, bro ;)
[09:08] <knarph> sokay ;0
[09:08] <knarph> I got neverwinter & ut2004 to break ;)
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) awesome
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) how is UT2004?
[09:08] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i haven't played since 2003 came out
[09:09] <knarph> actually very nice.
[09:09] <knarph> there's a TON of new functionality, and the new mode Onslaught is killer
[09:09] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sounds nifty
[09:10] <knarph> yah, definetly convinced me that they were taking a different path than EA(same game, new year)
[09:10] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) sweet
[09:10] <knarph> it's like the jump from xcom to xcom2, or fallout to fallout23
[09:10] <knarph> err fallout2
[09:11] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) meh...i'm not much of a gamer...i've just tooled around a bit
[09:11] <knarph> heh, that's waht demos are for
[09:11] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) and that's what free time if for ;)
[09:11] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) is*
[09:12] <knarph> free as in beer?
[09:12] <knarph> ;P
[09:12] <knarph> okay, night all
[09:12] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) night knarph
[09:14] <calc> crimsun: yes, whats up
[09:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: bigbrother0074 has some amd64 issues with Qt3
[09:15] <calc> haven't run kde on amd64 in several months
[09:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: he's attempting to run skype (both the dynamic and the static tarball from skype's web site don't work)
[09:15] (crimsun/#ubuntu) calc: just wondering if there's any magic required to get 32-bit binaries to work under ubuntu's amd64
[09:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i always thought there wasn't any magic involved
[09:16] <calc> well you have to have the libraries that it requires, or it needs to be staticly compiled
[09:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) it was built backward compatable or whatever
[09:16] <calc> but other than that, i don't recall any issues
[09:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, could you walk me through it perhaps?
[09:16] <calc> i typically just run stuff in the dist already or compile it myself though
[09:16] (crimsun/#ubuntu) the odd thing is that bigbrother0074 has the libs that the skype executable is asking for
[09:17] <calc> bigbrother0074: what does it do when you try to run it?
[09:17] <calc> crimsun: ah
[09:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) so I'm wondering if it's a loader issue
[09:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 32-/64-bit etc.
[09:17] <calc> ah ok
[09:17] <calc> do you have the proper libXrender?
[09:17] (crimsun/#ubuntu) not really familiar with the ins and outs of pure64, etc.
[09:17] <calc> eg the same as the bitness of your app
[09:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i don't know
[09:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) how would i find out
[09:18] <calc> it would probably be under /usr/libX/libXrender.so.X
[09:18] <calc> like /usr/lib /usr/lib32 or /usr/lib64
[09:18] <calc> afaik ubuntu doesn't use lib64
[09:19] <calc> i haven't booted my ubuntu system in a while
[09:19] <calc> it sounds like you don't have a version of libXrender that is for the same arch as the app though
[09:19] <calc> likely the app is 32bit
[09:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i don't have libXrender.so.X
[09:20] <calc> you can find out what arch it is by running file foo
[09:20] (crimsun/#ubuntu) ah wait, is this the old render mess?
[09:20] <calc> bigbrother0074: the filename would be something like libXrender.so.1
[09:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i have .1 and .1.0.2 instead of .X
[09:20] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[09:20] <cornflake> where's the howto for setting up nfs on ubuntu?
[09:20] <calc> X being whatever number ;)
[09:21] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) gotcha
[09:21] <calc> what does file skype tell you about the arch?
[09:21] <cornflake> does anyone know how to configure nfs on ubuntu?
[09:21] <Adrenal> what do i put into the terminal to get a geforce nvidia driver on a k7 system?
[09:22] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, how would i know what skype says about the arch?
[09:22] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, and how do i read the libXrender file?
[09:22] <calc> bigbrother0074: type "file skype" in the same dir as the skype executable
[09:23] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) skype: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.30, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[09:23] <calc> ok and what does file /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1.0.2 output
[09:23] <Adrenal> anyone, with the graphics driver?
[09:24] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) libXrender.so.1.2.2: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[09:24] <calc> bigbrother0074: is there a libXrender file under /usr/lib32 ?
[09:25] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) no
[09:25] <calc> bigbrother0074: ok then that seems to be your problem
[09:25] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ahh...ok
[09:25] <calc> there is a 64bit version of libXrender but no 32bit one on your system, and the app is 32bit
[09:25] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) makes sense
[09:26] <calc> bigbrother0074: btw ldd skype would show you which libraries are missing
[09:26] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Ohmer, ok
[09:26] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) crap....oh..ok
[09:26] <calc> you might be able to copy the libXrender file out of a deb for i386 version and make it work
[09:27] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ldd skype produces quite a list
[09:27] <calc> if you do that though make sure to copy it into the lib32 dir not your lib dir
[09:27] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) oh wait...it says which ones aren't found
[09:27] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[09:30] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, would you mind walking me through that?  i'm not good w/ this stuff yet
[09:30] <calc> download the deb off the ftp/http server
[09:30] <calc> make a temporary dir
[09:30] <calc> change into it
[09:31] <calc> dpkg -x foo.deb .
[09:31] <calc> find the files you need and copy them into /usr/local/lib32 (since it is local non package manager changes)
[09:31] <calc> repeat for whichever libraries are missing, etc
[09:32] <calc> oh yea and after you finish run ldconfig to update the cache
[09:32] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, does it matter where i run ldconfig from?
[09:33] <calc> no
[09:33] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok i'll work on that
[09:33] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) thanks for all your help
[09:33] <calc> must be run as root as well as the copying of the libraries
[09:34] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) alright
[09:34] <calc> bigbrother0074: afterwards when you run ldd skype you should see that it finds the libraries you added
[09:35] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) alright
[09:36] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, i'm not exactly sure how to find what i'm looking for.  i've googled "deb libXrender.so.1 i386" and i haven't found anything i can DL so far
[09:37] <billytwowilly> anyone know why ubuntu doesn't use submount or something similar? whatever it is using to automount cds is pissing me off
[09:37] <calc> bigbrother0074: should be in the same repo as is listed in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:37] <calc> bigbrother0074: except for i386 instead of amd64
[09:37] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ok
[09:38] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xrender/
[09:38] <calc> probably this one if the amd64 one is the same version
[09:38] <calc> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xrender/libxrender1_0.8.3-7_i386.deb
[09:39] <Chibi> WHEW! :D
[09:40] <Chibi> Now have a full usable Ubuntu setup on my p133 :D
[09:40] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Chibi: slow as hell, probably?
[09:41] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, i'm looking for "libXrender.so.1" which i don't see listed there
[09:41] <potato> Chibi, well done
[09:41] <calc> bigbrother0074: the names in that dir are package names, not library names
[09:41] <Chibi> Yep, pretty bad. But I'm only planning to use it as a VT to home when I go out.
[09:41] <calc> bigbrother0074: once you extract the deb you will see the files
[09:41] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, oh...oops
[09:41] <Chibi> So pretty much all the laptop will be doing is acting as a long distance monitor. D:
[09:42] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, so how do i know which package mine came from?
[09:42] <calc> bigbrother0074: ah yes that would be a good thing to find out, especially since you can tell which other libs you need
[09:42] <calc> bigbrother0074: run dpkg -S /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1
[09:43] <calc> bigbrother0074: then to find the version number of the package you can do dpkg -l | grep (packagename)
[09:43] <calc> or dpkg -p (packagename)
[09:43] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, i got this:  libxrender1: /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1
[09:43] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) does that mean the package is libxrender1?
[09:44] <calc> bigbrother0074: yes, like the url i posted above :)
[09:44] <calc> bigbrother0074: then dpkg -l | grep libxrender1 will tell you the version
[09:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ahhh.....gotcha
[09:45] <calc> there are two available versions depending on the version of ubuntu you are running
[09:45] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok...it's the one you gave me
[09:46] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) so i'll get to work replacing them
[09:51] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, k.  now they're replaced and no more missing....just run skype now?
[09:53] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) damn!  when i did that, it gave the same error again:  skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:54] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) so will that not work?
[09:54] <Chibi> Any...year...now....
[09:55] <YokoZar> ooh I found a bug in the installer I AM ELITE
[09:55] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) Chibi, how does VT work?
[09:56] <Chibi> I'd love to take a look, but I don't have a router to split it into. I know that FreeNX runs very well though.
[09:56] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ?
[09:57] <Chibi> So I'll have to wait til next time I go out to see how well the laptop handles it. If it's too slow, I can still just use SSH. :P
[09:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) out of frustration w/ dpkg
[09:58] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) pkg-grep() { dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | grep "$1"; }
[09:58] <calc> bigbrother0074: was libqt-mt.so.3 missing?
[09:58] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) it wasn't listed
[09:59] <calc> bigbrother0074: hmm which libraries did you have to add?
[09:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) just the one libXrender one
[09:59] <calc> oh
[09:59] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) sometimes I wonder if anyone ever thought dkpg would be used by actual people
[09:59] <calc> maybe it dlopens libqt
[09:59] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, do you want to see the output of the ldd skype in #flood?
[10:00] <calc> ok
[10:01] <calc> bigbrother0074: you probably need to do the same for libqt-mt.so.3
[10:01] <calc> bigbrother0074: dlopen'd libs don't show up in ldd output
[10:01] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) dpkg -l '*blah*' is just painful to type, and outputs a mess )-:
[10:01] <YokoZar> What's the name of the component that partitions disks at install time?  I need to report a bug there
[10:02] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, so do the same thing?
[10:02] <calc> bigbrother0074: yes
[10:02] <calc> will be nice when multiarch is done
[10:03] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, where is libqt-mt?
[10:03] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) i don't see it in lib32
[10:04] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, oh, it's in /usr/lib
[10:04] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ok
[10:05] <calc> its not in lib32 which is your problem, you need the 32bit version of it also
[10:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) is the --installed option to apt-cache broken or something?
[10:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it returns the same output if I use it or not
[10:15] <calc> wow ubuntu has enough users of ia64 to need a port?
[10:15] <jdub> calc: the gelato project are collaborating :)
[10:15] <potato> prolly because there aren't that many 64 bit distros out there yet
[10:15] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how come ubuntu is so far behind on major packages like firefox and gaim? most of them are like 2 iterations past ubuntus
[10:16] <calc> potato: there are only a handful of ia64 out there at all, mostly in large clusters
[10:16] <jdub> |QuaD|: we're not, really.
[10:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ok i did all that and when i did ldconfig i got:  ldconfig: Can't link /usr/lib32/libqt-mt.so.3 to libqt-mt.so.3.2.3
[10:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied
[10:16] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) .9.3 for mozilla and 1.0.0 for gaim?
[10:16] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) socks, i copied the so.3 file and it wouldn't let me make it a symbolic link....
[10:17] <jdub> |QuaD|: warty froze in june with some updates past that for bug fixes before warty was released as stable in october.
[10:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) damn
[10:17] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) damn that autocompletion
[10:17] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so no packages from warty will be updated?
[10:17] <jdub> |QuaD|: the versions in warty are not particularly old, unless you're using sid or gentoo as a benchmark.
[10:17] <jdub> |QuaD|: no, it's released and stable.
[10:18] <calc> bigbrother0074: did you copy over both library files from the deb?
[10:18] <sid77> hi
[10:18] <calc> |QuaD|: hoary is even more up to date than sid
[10:18] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, yes, but after i copied the so.3 file, i got:  ldconfig: /usr/lib32/libqt-mt.so.3 is not a symbolic link
[10:18] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i hear hoary crashes a lot thouhg?
[10:18] <calc> bigbrother0074: hmm i'm not sure what the problem is
[10:19] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) then i tried to delete it and tried:  ln -s libqt-mt.so.3.2.3 libqt-mt.so.3
[10:19] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) does hoary crash a lot?
[10:19] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) and same error as before
[10:19] <calc> |QuaD|: gnome 2.9 might, but hoary in general shouldn't be particularly crashy, i haven't run it yet though
[10:20] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) hmm, i have always run sid
[10:20] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) which was fairly stable
[10:21] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how is gnome 2.9?
[10:22] <Chibi> Not too broken. GTK2.5, however, could seriously use a lookover.
[10:22] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) any nice new features?
[10:22] <Chibi> Nah. Nothing yet.
[10:22] <Gmail> yes
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) like what
[10:23] <jdub> calc: evo's a bit b0rk atm.
[10:23] <Gmail> lots og new features
[10:23] <Gmail> the file maniger
[10:23] <Gmail> smoth scroll
[10:23] <Gmail> ...
[10:23] <Gmail> it in the gtk wiki
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ahh
[10:23] <Chibi> Eh? We still have nautilus 2.8 :P
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i will consider it
[10:23] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, any ideas?
[10:23] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i didn't realize that warty freezes the archive
[10:23] <jdub> Chibi: (but we also have gtk+ 2.5)
[10:24] <calc> bigbrother0074: nope i mentioned above i am not sure what is going on :\
[10:24] <Chibi> Yes, GTK2.5=bork :/
[10:24] <Gmail> by file maniger i ment the thing you see when you file > open
[10:24] <jdub> it's great :)
[10:24] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) calc, ok....thanks for all your help anyway
[10:24] (bigbrother0074/#ubuntu) g'night
[10:24] <calc> jdub: well the whole OS shouldn't go down is what i meant to say, gnome related stuff is the only things in early beta on hoary, right?
[10:25] <jdub> calc: yeah
[10:25] <Chibi> calc- There's a few rough system features, too.
[10:25] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) is there a hoary changelog?
[10:25] <jdub> calc: so i hear you're moving into gnome development :)
[10:25] <Chibi> Watch out for hotplug. If it gives you problems, uplug everything you don't really need.
[10:25] <jdub> |QuaD|: hoary-changes mailing list
[10:26] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ahh ok :)
[10:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) hmm I just got the new U2 album..
[10:30] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) so I better go to sleep now.. or I will be up all night
[10:31] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) how easy is it to set up a mailserver inubuntu?
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: well there is one installed by default
[10:32] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) so if i send mail to my ip... it should work?
[10:32] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) you just have to figure out how to get it to listen to your network
[10:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: no, the mail server doesn't listen on an external port by default
[10:33] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: check /etc/postfix/master.cf and /etc/postfix/main.cf
[10:34] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) looks like fun to setup :)
[10:34] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) whats port 650?
[10:34] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) it is open on my system
[10:34] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: look in /etc/services
[10:35] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: also see lsof -i:650
[10:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: best way to check which program opened it, use 'netstat -np'
[10:35] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) it was unknown
[10:35] (bob2/#ubuntu) hah
[10:35] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) famd
[10:36] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) what is 31 (labeled as ipp)?
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) quinophex: ipp = printer
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: uh that;'s for you
[10:36] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh yeah i figured
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: but everything should only listen on 127.0.0.1:port
[10:36] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: not 0.0.0.0:port
[10:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) people obsess about "open ports" waaaaay too much
[10:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) I blame steve gibson
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) Treenaks: what do you mean
[10:37] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: in netstat..
[10:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: it means it's not actually an open port
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) right
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i realize that
[10:37] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) does this mean i am fine without a firewall, cuz only those 2 ports are open?
[10:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) the default ubuntu install has no need for a firewall
[10:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) by default no ports are open
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) i have 2 ports open, sshd and httpd
[10:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) not ipp and not famd
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) you think i should put one up?
[10:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ok :)
[10:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) presumably you want people to be able to access your ssh and http servers
[10:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) right?
[10:38] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) obviously... i would allow those ports in
[10:38] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) |QuaD|: not unless you want to control access to those ports
[10:38] <nevyn> bob2: you'
[10:39] <nevyn> bob2: you're not the only one to bleame steve gibson.
[10:39] <nevyn> he's the shields-up guy yeah?
[10:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) yea... everyone does..
[10:39] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) it's a national pasttime
[10:40] <humbo> what did steve gibson do wrong?
[10:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) nevyn: hah
[10:41] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) (sounds like nothing)
[10:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) he made people obsess about "open ports"
[10:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) without explaining wtf it meant
[10:43] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) what is the difference between a closed and "stealthed" port?
[10:45] <daniels> |QuaD|: nothing you need to care about
[10:45] <daniels> |QuaD|: it's not a problem
[10:45] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) heh, not the answer i was looking for  :(
[10:45] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) the open one reponds to "pings"
[10:46] (bob2/#ubuntu) maybe he means DROP vs REJECT?
[10:46] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) oh
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) "stealth" isn't anything in tcp or in iptablesd
[10:47] <daniels> yes
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) DROP means you just ignore packets coming in to that port
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) REJECT means you reply with "nothing's listening on that port"
[10:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) DROP is pretty pointless unless you drop every single incoming connection
[11:08] <Adrenal> are there any tools i can get to change a .wmv to a .mov, or any other format?
[11:10] <Adrenal> anyone?
[11:11] <potato> Adrenal, mencoder will do that for you
[11:11] <Adrenal> kk
[11:11] <potato> I tend to encode into divx
[11:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ffmpeg works great too
[11:11] <kensai> Let me try my luck: ANd for riping from a cd to .mp3 is there something?
[11:12] <potato> kensai, many things
[11:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: yes, install the MP3 stuff (see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats)
[11:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: (gstreamer etc.) then sound-juicer will be able to rip to mp3 I think
[11:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: and you want to rip to ogg :)
[11:12] <calc> abcde is nice but probably in universe
[11:12] <potato> ogg rules
[11:13] <calc> flac! :)
[11:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) calc: oggflac!
[11:13] <kensai> then how do I make a music cd out of that music I ripped with nautilus-burning cd
[11:13] <kensai> ?
[11:13] <potato> kensai, k3b can handle that
[11:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) kensai: you can't burn audio CDs with nautilus yet
[11:13] <calc> iirc oggflac is changing soon, so if you want to rip to that best to update from upstream
[11:14] <kensai> potato, where is the wiki to k3b?
[11:16] <Adrenal> will ffmpeg work for a windows media file though?
[11:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Adrenal: yes
[11:16] <Adrenal> cos mencoder has dependency issues
[11:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Adrenal: it uses libavifile
[11:22] <Adrenal> DAMMIT
[11:22] <Adrenal> whenever i try to install any of those progs
[11:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) which programs?
[11:22] <Adrenal> fucking libavcodec2 breaks
[11:22] <Adrenal> ffmpeg, mencoder and libavifile
[11:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Adrenal: did you follow the instructions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ?
[11:24] <Adrenal> looking now
[11:25] <schwuk> I need to re-install grub to my MBR, but it's nt working from Knoppix/chroot - any ideas?
[11:29] <Adrenal> FFS
[11:29] <Adrenal> there is nothing there
[11:29] <Adrenal> nothing of any use anyway
[11:29] <Adrenal> the codecs just won't install
[11:34] <Adrenal> and can't remvoe broken files
[11:34] <Adrenal> dagnammit
[11:46] <joha> Hi all!
[11:46] <joha> Hi all!
[11:46] <joha> Where do I get the Ubuntu patches for gnome-panel?
[11:46] <joha> The source you get from apt-get is for the Debian one.
[11:47] <agwibowo> does anyone know any program to uncompress RAR file in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <joha> How about unrar?
[11:48] <agwibowo> is it available?
[11:48] <adnans> agwibowo, apt-get install unrar-nonfree; unrar x file.rar
[11:49] <agwibowo> cannot find it
[11:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) agwibowo: add multiverse to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <agwibowo> already
[11:50] <joha> And nobody an idea about where to find the Ubuntu patches for gnome-panel?
[11:50] <agwibowo> don't worry about it
[11:50] <agwibowo> i think i've found it in synaptic
[11:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) joha: apt-get source gnome-panel, in the debian/ directory
[11:51] <joha> Treenaks: AAAH! Thanks! I did apt-get source it, but only applied the patch that was in that directory then.
[11:52] <seb128> joha: you need to change something to the patch ?
[11:54] <joha> seb128: Yes, I want to add suspend support to gnome-panel.
[11:54] <joha> seb128: Actually, I already have it working but not with the Ubuntu menu.
[11:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) suspend support?
[11:55] <joha> Yes. Above the "Log Out" button I added a "Suspend" button, because I figured it would not be appropriate to have that as an option in the Log Out menu since you do not log out when suspending your computer.
[11:55] (HcE/#ubuntu) there should be a hatch to passwordprotect at unsuspend
[11:56] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) HcE: there is one for the blank/unblanking (currently in warty)
[11:56] <joha> Well, you could just call the usual "Lock Screen" command. I myself would not want it though.
[11:56] <seb128> joha: ok
[11:56] <joha> seb128: If you're interested I can see if I find the time to make it usable for everybody (gconf option and so on)
[11:57] (HcE/#ubuntu) I'm paranoid so I would call xlock or something similar
[11:57] (HcE/#ubuntu) =)
[11:59] <joha> brb, breakfast
[12:00] <seb128> joha: that would be nice yes, thanks
[12:01] <Shadow2> apt-cache search <packagename>
[12:12] <Rus> hello brothers
[12:12] <Rus> i am linux user!!
[12:12] <plasmo> ahlo
[12:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rus: so are many more people here ;) welcome
[12:12] <Rus> Treenaks:good day brother
[12:13] <nevyn> Rus: uh-huh. how are you doing?
[12:13] <plasmo> :-o
[12:13] <Rus> nevyn:i am doing good and how are you
[12:13] <agwibowo> how to add the multiverse repository?
[12:13] <nevyn> ok...
[12:13] <nevyn> I was angry reading /. today.. but I've gotten over it.
[12:13] <Rus> nevyn: where are you from?
[12:14] <nevyn> australia
[12:15] <Rus> In Australia live our boxer Kostya Dzyu. Do you know him?
[12:15] <plasmo> yep. great boxer :o
[12:15] <nevyn> ummm he's our boxer now ;)
[12:16] <daniels> i thought it was kosta tszyu
[12:16] <daniels> but that's offtopic, anyhow :)
[12:16] <Rus> plasmo:what do you know about Russia???
[12:16] <plasmo> rus: i know it snows ;)
[12:17] <agwibowo> anyone
[12:17] <agwibowo> ....
[12:17] <Rus> plasmo:do you know that you can see bears in streets of Russia!!
[12:17] <agwibowo> how to add the multiverse repository
[12:17] <plasmo> rus: i had no idea lol
[12:17] <agwibowo> i need to get the unrar program...
[12:17] <plasmo> i got a kangeroo in my backyard :)
[12:18] <Rus> plasmo:go to Russia and see for yourself
[12:18] <plasmo> im too poor to travel
[12:18] <Rus> plasmo: it is very interesting
[12:19] <Rus> plasmo:i am too
[12:19] <plasmo> ;)
[12:19] <Rus> :D
[12:20] <agwibowo> multiverse repository.................
[12:20] <agwibowo> please....
[12:20] <plasmo> gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:20] <agwibowo> what's the address
[12:20] <plasmo> just uncomment the required areas
[12:21] <Rus> one day I have spoken to Brazilians, he told me that he think that bear walk on streets of Russia... :(
[12:21] <agwibowo> there's no such "multiverse" there
[12:21] <plasmo> uncomment them all
[12:21] <plasmo> and then do a apt-get update
[12:21] <xukun> can I use ubuntu as a server?
[12:22] <plasmo> ofcourse
[12:22] <agwibowo> the one currently commented are the "src"
[12:22] <agwibowo> that can't be where i can get unrar from
[12:22] <xukun> being unstable and all that
[12:22] <Rus> do you knoe a few words in Russian?
[12:23] <plasmo> vodka
[12:23] <Rus> and any others
[12:23] <Rus> ?
[12:23] <plasmo> nope :|
[12:23] <Rus> have you ever drink vodka??
[12:24] <plasmo> sometimes
[12:24] <Rus> and how is it??
[12:25] <plasmo> its alrite
[12:25] <Rus> I like vodka very very much!!! we are drinking it right now
[12:26] <Rus> he he he
[12:26] <plasmo> :D
[12:26] <Rus>    !
[12:26] <Rus> !!!
[12:26] <agwibowo> i prefer water
[12:26] <agwibowo> yadda yadda
[12:26] <agwibowo> cannot read them
[12:27] <plasmo> u got your unrar yet? lol
[12:27] <agwibowo> no!
[12:27] <agwibowo> this is distressing
[12:27] <plasmo> i think it is from deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:27] <agwibowo> i need it to do my work... and can't get it..
[12:27] <plasmo> or 'warty' wateva u prefer
[12:27] <agwibowo> universe is added
[12:27] <Rus> agwibowo: Russia svyachennaya nasha dergava!!!
[12:28] <agwibowo> but i still can't find unrar
[12:28] <plasmo> apt-get install unrar
[12:28] <agwibowo> Rus: Russia orang aneh
[12:28] <plasmo> 'apt-get update' first
[12:28] <agwibowo> already
[12:28] <Rus> do you know what means c2h5oh
[12:28] <Rus> ?
[12:28] <plasmo> D:
[12:28] <plasmo> nope
[12:29] <Rus> agwibowo: what do you mean?
[12:29] <Rus> plasmo: I mean C2H5OH!
[12:29] <agwibowo> Rus: precisely, i don't understand what you said
[12:29] <plasmo> no idea
[12:29] <agwibowo> Rus: so we are in the same boat
[12:29] <agwibowo> hehe
[12:31] <Rus> plasmo: it is spirit
[12:31] <agwibowo> thx..
[12:31] <agwibowo> plasmo: thx
[12:31] <plasmo> have a look at my list :/
[12:31] <plasmo> might help you
[12:31] <Rus> agwibowo: this mean that Russia is a great country!
[12:32] <plasmo> agwibowo: if youre using warty just replace hoary with warty
[12:32] <agwibowo> plasmo: ok
[12:32] <agwibowo> Rus: i regard every country in the world are great countries. there are no single country that is greater than others
[12:33] <Rus> China?
[12:33] <agwibowo> plasmo: hmm yours is the same as mine
[12:33] <plasmo> :x
[12:33] <agwibowo> what's wrong with china?
[12:34] <Rus> It is fucking country!
[12:34] <agwibowo> when i did apt-get install unrar, it says that unrar is referred by another package.. bla bla bla
[12:34] <plasmo> normally i would do a apt-get update then a apt-cache search unrar
[12:34] <agwibowo> how can i get over it?
[12:34] <agwibowo> Rus: are you racist?
[12:35] <plasmo> hold on ill get you a unrar link
[12:35] <agwibowo> ok...
[12:35] <joha> seb128: Okay, I'll be happy to. But really no promises as to the time scale. My life's pretty much a mess and before today I've never touched gtk, let alone any gnome component.
[12:36] <Rus> no, but chinese have occupied our territoties!!!
[12:36] <Rus> is Siberia
[12:36] <Rus> sorry...in Siberya!
[12:36] <seb128> joha: ok, no problem, thanks anyway :)
[12:36] <agwibowo> Rus: hmm.... then i don't know
[12:37] <ajmitch_> great, X hung on startup..
[12:38] <Rus> do you hear that the our president had given some of our islands on Amur river to them!!!
[12:38] <Rus> ???
[12:38] <the_one> hi everyone!
[12:38] <Rus> :(
[12:38] <plasmo> hello neo
[12:39] <agwibowo> well.. i don't know
[12:39] <Rus> the_one:you must be neo
[12:39] <agwibowo> why don't you complain to your president??
[12:41] <Rus> He has much power and we can do nothing about it we drinked vodka for many days,because we were in mourning
[12:41] <agwibowo> ooo
[12:42] <plasmo> agwibowo: your rar working yet? lol
[12:42] <Rus> yeees
[12:42] <agwibowo> plasmo: still downloading it
[12:42] <plasmo> D:
[12:42] <Rus> how translate lol?
[12:43] <plasmo> http://world.altavista.com/ translates everything
[12:43] <agwibowo> yay!
[12:43] <agwibowo> thx plasmo!
[12:43] <agwibowo> what about rar?
[12:43] <agwibowo> do you have the link?
[12:43] <Rus> what lol means
[12:43] <Rus> ?
[12:44] <agwibowo> lough out loud
[12:44] <plasmo> means . ha ha
[12:45] <Rus> good bye to  all of you
[12:45] <agwibowo> bye
[12:46] <agwibowo> plasmo: do you have the rar package?
[12:46] <plasmo> byebye
[12:46] <plasmo> yes i think so
[12:46] <Rus> I go to drink vodka... :p
[12:47] <agwibowo> umm
[12:47] <agwibowo> that one i already have
[12:48] <agwibowo> i was saying... the reverse... making rar file
[12:48] <agwibowo> do you have the link?
[12:48] <plasmo> nope
[12:48] <plasmo> wat link did i give you before o_O
[12:48] <agwibowo> unrar
[12:49] <agwibowo> wondering if you have the rar as well..
[12:50] <plasmo> mmm theres rar but thats non-free
[12:50] <agwibowo> ic..
[12:50] <plasmo> 40days trial o_o
[12:50] <agwibowo> ah
[12:50] <agwibowo> hate that
[12:50] <agwibowo> is this unrar free?
[12:50] <plasmo> yes
[12:50] <agwibowo> ok
[12:50] <agwibowo> that's good enough
[12:51] <plasmo> go get wine and download winrar lol
[12:51] <agwibowo> hooo
[12:53] <Gmail> lol
[12:58] <one_2_one> hy
[12:58] <one_2_one> what package i have to install to play mp3 _
[12:58] <one_2_one> ?
[12:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) one_2_one: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:00] <plasmo> gstreamer*-mad
[01:00] <one_2_one> bob2, thks ;)
[01:11] <cristian> anyone noticed that dbus-daemon-1 does not exit when gdm session terminates? there's some way to fix it? i've tons of orphaned process leaved behind by my users
[01:12] <grondo> I can't find any kernel-image package? is something wrong with my sources.list?
[01:12] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) grondo: it's called linux-image-something
[01:12] <cristian> grondo: you have to search linux-image in ubuntu
[01:12] <grondo> Treenaks, thanks. I'm a debian user
[01:13] <grondo> I thought package name was the same
[01:13] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) knof looksaus?
[01:14] <uman> que >?
[01:18] <looksaus> Treenaks, heheh :)
[01:19] <looksaus> uman, looksaus == garlic sauce == sauce  l'ail
[01:19] <looksaus> sorry, don't know enougj spanish to translate
[01:20] <uman> sounds nice
[01:44] <will> everyone has left!
[01:48] (whiprush/#ubuntu) forums down for anyone else?
[01:49] <berantl> yeah
[01:51] <kikko> hi all
[02:04] <joha> Hey, what do y'all use for learning vocabularies under Ubuntu?
[02:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) learning vocabularies?
[02:07] <joha> Yup
[02:07] <joha> vocabulary training
[02:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ah
[02:08] <joha> Sorry.
[02:08] <joha> s/s//g
[02:08] <IRCMonkey_> hello
[02:10] <IRCMonkey_> i have a question about installing Ubuntu
[02:10] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) IRCMonkey_: well, ask it ;)
[02:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) just ask it
[02:10] <IRCMonkey_> how Ubuntu recognize my wireless network card?
[02:11] <IRCMonkey_> im using D-Link Wireless Network card?
[02:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) does linux suppor it?
[02:11] <IRCMonkey_> no
[02:11] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) IRCMonkey_: what's the model number?
[02:11] <IRCMonkey_> D-Link DWL-G650+
[02:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) does it require ndiswrapper?
[02:11] <daniels> yes
[02:12] <IRCMonkey_> uhm... im not exaclty sure
[02:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) ouch
[02:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) IRCMonkey_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/view?searchterm=ndiswrapper
[02:12] <scoon> IRCMonkey_: the other thing to try is lspci -v to hopefully be able to get the chipset.  Maybe there are drivers for it.
[02:13] <joha> Oh we found one! "gretools"
[02:14] <scoon> IRCMonkey_: I use linksys wireless but the chipset is Ralink.  Ralink actually has drivers that compile for linux.  That is what I use, instead of ndiswrapper.
[02:14] <IRCMonkey_> thanks very much
[02:15] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) scoon: Free drivers?
[02:18] <scoon> Treenaks: yes
[02:19] <scoon> scoon: they give the source.  It is up to you to compile on your own.
[02:19] <scoon> Treenaks: if you need help -> http://61.222.76.235/phpbb2/index.php
[02:20] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) scoon: hmm, will they be integrated into the real kernel?
[02:20] <scoon> Treenaks: at this point, no one really knows.  But at least the offer the source so that I can have native drivers.
[02:21] <scoon> Treenaks: they offer
[02:21] <scoon> sorry, tired fingers.
[02:21] <scoon> oh well
[02:21] <scoon> thanks for the fun and good times.  off to work.
[02:22] <costoa> does anyone know what's going on with ubuntuforums.org?
[02:27] <ohgood> how would one go about installing ubuntu, on another partition, from an already running linux- or is it possible ?
[02:28] <lulu> costoa: access problem?
[02:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) ohgood: you can use debootstrap
[02:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ohgood: prepare the partitions (sizes, etc.), then install ubuntu on the selected partitions
[02:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ohgood: that's the easiest
[02:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) but it's not really recommended unless you know what you're doing
[02:29] <ohgood> i'll google debootstrap- ty sir(s)
[02:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html is a start
[02:31] <costoa> yea, ubuntuforums isn't coming up.
[02:31] <childe> Hello. I've figured out why my GDM was broken.
[02:32] <childe> When I upgraded to Hoary, I did a "upgrade", not a "dist-upgrade". Very stupid.
[02:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) that shouldn't break anything
[02:33] <childe> bob2: But some packages did not upgraded.
[02:33] <childe> !
[02:34] <childe> \shell
[02:34] <childe> Oh...tell me how to access the shell in irssi?
[02:34] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: open a new terminal?
[02:35] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: just run irssi in 'screen' and use screen to access the shell ?
[02:35] <childe> ......
[02:35] <ohgood> childe: /exec yourcommand
[02:35] <childe> Thanks!
[02:35] <mantiena-baltix> Hi all
[02:35] <ohgood> childe: you _should_ be using screen too, it's quite lovely!
[02:36] <ohgood> I keep seeing references to 'sid' 'woody' etc, these are pet-names for stable or dev environments/kernels ?
[02:37] <childe> ohgood: I prefer xterm...
[02:37] <childe> ohgood: No. There are character names in Toy Story. I think.
[02:37] <mantiena-baltix> maybe there are any ubuntu developers ? I noticed few bugs in live CD and can fix these
[02:38] <ohgood> childe: screen doesn't care waht term you use.
[02:38] <mantiena-baltix> but at first I wanna talk with developers
[02:38] <childe> ohgood: But if I can switch between xterms why should I use screen?
[02:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: you can use both at the same time :) I do
[02:38] <childe> Treenaks: But why? heh heh
[02:39] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) childe: so I can detach my IRC window and log out ;)
[02:40] <ohgood> childe: preferences, we all have em. (:
[02:41] <childe> Oh. Maybe I'll install it, too.
[02:41] <childe> But it seems that it has been installed by default :D
[02:43] <ohgood> bob2: debootstrap looks like a debian-only tool, is there a switch to point it to ubuntu specifically, and/or does ubuntu use deselect also on install ?
[02:44] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ohgood: you have to use the debootstrap from the ubuntu installer, of course
[02:52] (bob2/#ubuntu) Treenaks: erm, shouldn't pointing it at a Ubuntu mirror Just Work?
[02:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) bob2: dunno, I don't know debootstrap
[02:54] <dzhibas> hello support, maybe somebody have omnibook xe4100 with Ubuntu ?
[02:54] <dzhibas> i can't understand why my vi_rhine (module) , eth card is not working
[02:54] <dzhibas> via_rhine
[02:55] <Neill> dzhibas: is it on a via eden board?
[02:55] <Neill> and are you using 2.6.8 ?
[02:55] <dzhibas> 2.6.8.1-3
[02:56] <dzhibas> and i have notebook hp omnibook xe4100 with VIA board
[02:56] <Neill> do you get very odd errors ?
[02:56] <Neill> in dmesg?
[02:56] <hitchhiker> My VT6102 Rhine 2 onboard eth works really well in ubuntu
[02:56] <Neill> someone broke the driver really badly (it would send out packets but they were mangled)
[02:56] (bob2/#ubuntu) which bug # is this?
[02:57] <Neill> it seems to be fixed in 2.6.9 for me.
[02:57] <Neill> (... on debian unstable)
[02:58] <dzhibas> hitchhiker: strange, i also have vt6102 [rhine-II] , but it doesn't work
[02:58] <dzhibas> what kernel hit* ?
[02:59] <dzhibas> Neill, yes in my dmesg where are strange errors
[02:59] <dzhibas> something like: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0 transmit timed out, status 1003, PHY status 782d, resetting
[02:59] <dzhibas> and so on...
[03:00] <Neill> yes.
[03:00] <Neill> exactly what I have
[03:00] <Neill> *had
[03:00] <Neill> 2.6.9 fixed it
[03:00] <Neill> it broke halfway through the 2.6.8 kernels in debian unstable, which was odd.
[03:01] <Neill> At the time no one else seemed to have the problem.
[03:01] <dzhibas> shit, (sorry for buzzword)
[03:01] <dzhibas> so i should throw away my ubuntu
[03:02] <dzhibas> can i somehow replace kernel and all his modules ? :)
[03:02] <ohgood> hmm, i may be trying debian&ubuntu now, given what i'm reading on both of their installations. thanks all-
[03:03] <dzhibas> without recompiling this
[03:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) dzhibas: you can build your own 2.6.9 if you want
[03:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) but it's not in ubuntu yet
[03:03] <dzhibas> thanks bob
[03:04] <dzhibas> ubuntuforums.org is down ?
[03:04] <iz> not here?
[03:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) some dude runs it, it's not a canonical thing
[03:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) talk to that dude
[03:08] <hitchhiker> Sorry was away for a bit
[03:08] <hitchhiker> Kernel -  2.6.8.1-3-686
[03:09] <hitchhiker> Have you looked fro any BIOS updates?
[03:10] <hitchhiker> The forums been up and down the last few days it seems
[03:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) has someone emailed whoever runs them?
[03:22] <Rob[a] > lo..
[03:23] <Rob[a] > i got a little problem installing ubuntu
[03:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ask away
[03:24] <Rob[a] > well, i just booted from the cd
[03:24] <Rob[a] > and it hangs on "retrieving nic-firmware ... "
[03:24] <Rob[a] > reboot doesn't help
[03:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) what kind of nic do you have
[03:24] <Rob[a] > well 2 actually
[03:24] <Rob[a] > 1 onboard
[03:24] <Rob[a] > 1 realtek
[03:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) model numbers please :)
[03:25] <Rob[a] > hmm
[03:25] <Rob[a] > oke
[03:25] <Rob[a] > one sec
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) but those shouldn't need firmware.. so 'retrieving nic-firmware' sounds like a package
[03:25] <Rob[a] > it is
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) is it during package install or during hardware detection?
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) ok
[03:25] <Rob[a] > i guess package install
[03:25] <Rob[a] > coz it says something like
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) is your CD home-burnt?
[03:25] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) or is it one of the official CDs
[03:25] <Rob[a] > Retrieving nic-firmware-2.6.8.1-
[03:26] <Rob[a] > home burnt
[03:26] <Rob[a] > but i try to burn it again
[03:26] <Rob[a] > same problem
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) then verify the md5sum your image
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +of
[03:26] <Rob[a] > did that
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) with the md5sum as mentioned on the site
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) and?
[03:26] <Rob[a] > correct of course
[03:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) the md5sum of the *cd* is the same?
[03:26] <Rob[a] > google had nothing at this..
[03:26] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) tried burning on lower speeds/higher quality CDs?
[03:26] <Rob[a] > burnt on 8 speed
[03:27] <Rob[a] > bob2: u mean md5sum of the cd when it is burnt?
[03:27] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) yes
[03:27] <Rob[a] > Treenaks: it would be an hell of a coincidence if i burnt it twice, and it failed at *exactly* the same point
[03:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : could be a glitch in your burner..
[03:28] <Rob[a] > but how do i check the md5sum of the cd when it is burnt?
[03:28] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : md5sum /dev/hdc
[03:28] <Rob[a] > hm
[03:28] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : md5sum /dev/cdrom
[03:28] <Rob[a] > and on windows?
[03:28] <Rob[a] > md5sum F:
[03:28] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : install Ubuntu?
[03:29] <Rob[a] > isn't working..
[03:29] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : IIRC there's a md5um.exe for inwdows on the Live/OpenCD stuff
[03:30] (sladen/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/md5.php
[03:30] <Rob[a] > I do have md5sum.exe
[03:31] <Rob[a] > but how do I check a burnt cd with that
[03:33] <ohgood> Rob[a] : it's kinda late if it's already burned- just re-check the .iso
[03:33] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , maybe try md5summer.org ?
[03:33] (sladen/#ubuntu) C:\> "c:\Documents and Settings\Rob\Desktop\md5sum.exe" d:
[03:34] <Rob[a] > it says "No such file"
[03:43] <hbos> is vsftpd compiled without ssl support?
[03:44] <hbos> it doesn't accept my ssl config parameters
[03:44] <hbos> :(
[03:56] <veran> ho ho ho
[03:57] <attifinch> hi
[04:00] <mikedo> hey is there someone who knows how to fix some sound problems: I can't write any sound trhough microphone, or when I use Skype to talk to people through net they cannot here me. Funny thing is that I can here myself . Somebody any ideas?
[04:01] <opi> mikedo: see volume setting in mixer
[04:01] <mikedo> i have soundblaster 16
[04:01] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mikedo: your microphone volume is not set correctly?
[04:01] <mikedo> opi, I did it, it's OK
[04:02] <mikedo> with volumes is everything OK
[04:03] <mikedo> I tryed to use audacity to check if I'm able write some sounds, and I couldn't
[04:05] <Rob[a] > bob2: I've managed to check the md5sum of the burnt CD and it's OK..
[04:05] <attifinch> any major advantages of ubuntu over mandrake
[04:05] <veran> much better packaging system
[04:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) attifinch: not being based on redhat
[04:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : ok
[04:06] <veran> sane (debian) defaults
[04:06] <Rob[a] > so what next :P
[04:06] <prox2far> easy ACPI for most Laptops
[04:06] <mikedo> Treenaks, as I said the funny thing is that I can hear me when I talk to mic!
[04:07] <hbos> any idea why vsftpd in ubuntu isn't compiled with ssl support?
[04:07] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) maybe your sound card isn't full duplex?
[04:07] <attifinch> .. is ubuntu faster then mandrake?
[04:08] <mikedo> Treenaks, what is full duplex? why should it be?
[04:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) attifinch: that's a useless question.. it's the same programs..
[04:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mikedo: full duplex -> can send and receive at the same time
[04:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) (or play and record)
[04:08] <mikedo> OK got it
[04:08] <hbos> i think most cards these days have full duplex
[04:09] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hbos: I thought he said it's an sb16
[04:09] <Rob[a] > hmm,
[04:09] <mikedo> Treenaks, I guess my soundcard is ok, but how could I check that for shure?
[04:09] <Rob[a] > think i'm gonna download fedora ;p
[04:10] <mikedo> Treenaks, Thanks for any ideas
[04:11] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , good luck,  dont forget to install apt on fedora ;)
[04:11] <Rob[a] > yeah well
[04:11] <Rob[a] > I would like to install ubuntu
[04:11] <Rob[a] > but it just isn't working :/
[04:11] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , why ?
[04:12] <Rob[a] > I just put the cd in..
[04:12] <Rob[a] > choose my language/location
[04:12] <Rob[a] > and then it hangs at 36% at "Retrieving nic-firewall 2.6.8.1"
[04:12] <Rob[a] > firewall=firmware
[04:12] <Rob[a] > srry
[04:13] <cardador> Rob[a] : that seems a bad cd
[04:13] <Rob[a] > checked md5sum
[04:13] <Rob[a] > perfect match
[04:14] <Rob[a] > even burnt the iso twice
[04:14] <Rob[a] > same problem
[04:15] <veran> Rob[a] : can you switch to a virtual terminal then?
[04:15] <hbos> Treenaks oh sorry missed that, most sb16 are halfduplex i think (if there are any fullduplex ones:P)
[04:15] <Rob[a] > veran, I don't what u mean..
[04:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) hbos: yes.. awe32 and 64 are fd, and some 'sb16vibra' are.. but most are hd
[04:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : press alt+f2/f3/f4 when it happens
[04:16] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : see if you get any error messages
[04:16] <veran> what Treenaks sais
[04:17] <mantiena-baltix> Rob[a] , which md5sums you've checked ?
[04:17] <Rob[a] > of the iso and of the burnt cd
[04:18] <Rob[a] > Treenaks: alt+f4 overloads me with error message.. I'll try if i can get something usefull out of that
[04:20] <mikedo> Treenaks, so how do you think I could check what is my sb16 hd or fd?
[04:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) mikedo: uhhh
[04:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) dunno
[04:21] <mikedo> what?
[04:21] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) I don't know
[04:21] <mikedo> anyway thanks for ideas
[04:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) check the chip number (CTxxxx), and google for it
[04:22] <mikedo> I'll do that, thanks
[04:23] <Rob[a] > Treenaks: the error messages are going to fast to read.. anything i can do with alt+f2?
[04:23] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Rob[a] : use scroll lock..
[04:24] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) that's what it's for
[04:25] <Rob[a] > hmm, thnx :D
[04:27] <Rob[a] > date (none) user.info main-menu[545] : (process:3760): md5sum:
[04:27] <Rob[a] > date (none) user.info main-menu[545] : (process:3760): /var/cache/anna/nic-firmware-2.6.8.1-3-386-di_0.64ubuntu13_i386.udeb
[04:27] <Rob[a] > date (none) user.info main-menu[545] : (process:3760): Input/output error
[04:27] <Rob[a] > that's what it says
[04:28] <alejandro__> where I can get ubuntu universal sources?
[04:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) alejandro__: the same place you get the binaries
[04:29] <alejandro__> bob2, but what is the line in the sources.list?
[04:30] <alejandro__> (I would like to install KDE in Ubuntu)
[04:30] <Riddell> alejandro__: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe
[04:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) you want to install the kde binary packages?
[04:31] <Riddell> "
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) Riddell: no
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) alejandro__: it's already in your asources.list, commented out
[04:31] <Riddell> no?
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) Riddell: no, that's for hoary
[04:31] <alejandro__> bob2, ah ok, thanks.
[04:32] <Riddell> well warty has old KDE 3.2
[04:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[04:33] <Riddell> but with hoary you can use "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main" and get the goodness of KDE 3.3
[04:36] <Rob[a] > so it says md5sum while my md5sum is correct
[04:38] <cardador> Rob[a] : input/output error seems bad iso :\ try downloading it again
[04:38] <Rob[a] > while the md5sums is correct? :S
[04:39] <Rob[a] > my it's the cdrom drive
[04:39] <cardador> hmm?
[04:39] <Rob[a] > my cdrom drive isn't reading the cd very good or something
[04:40] <Rob[a] > i meant
[04:40] <Rob[a] > maybe it's the cdrom drive
[04:40] <veran> might not like your media
[04:40] <Rob[a] > :/
[04:40] <veran> I have seen some drives flake out on cd's
[04:40] <veran> even stamped cd's
[04:40] <veran> got another drive handy?
[04:40] <Rob[a] > I believe I have a spare one
[04:40] <Rob[a] > :] 
[04:44] <alejandro__> hmm, I miss more updated kde packages in universia.
[04:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) warty froze in june
[04:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want more recent kde, use sid or hoary
[04:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) or suse or whatever
[04:46] <Riddell> or make an Ubunutu KGX
[04:50] <veran> I just compiled brightside to add edge flipping to metacity which fixed my one outstanding problem with gnome
[04:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) Riggwelter: can you turn that off please?
[04:53] <dbarnett> bob2: probably not if he's away
[04:53] (bob2/#ubuntu) dbarnett: well, yeah, but hopefully he/she will be back at some point
[04:54] <dbarnett> <-- just being a smartass
[04:54] (bob2/#ubuntu) well, that too
[04:55] <micsch> hi, where can i download the kernel-source for 2.6.8.1-3-386
[04:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) linux-source-2.6.8.1 or so
[04:56] <micsch> not in repository
[04:56] <[A] ndy80> hi :)
[04:56] (bob2/#ubuntu) linux-source-2.6.8.1 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8.1 with Debian patches
[04:56] <[A] ndy80> where can I find KDE 3.3.1 packages for Ubuntu?
[04:57] <micsch> bob2, thx, strange apt-cache search didn't show me linux-source-2.6.8.1
[04:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: apt-cache search linux-source
[04:58] <Riddell> [A] ndy80: "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"  required hoary
[04:58] <Riddell> requires
[04:58] <micsch> bob2, i tried kernel-source
[04:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: that's the name in Debian, it's linux-source in ubuntu
[04:59] <jordi> bob2: why was it renamed in ubuntu, out of curiosity?
[04:59] <micsch> bob2, ah usualy i use debian, but thats very confusing
[05:00] <jordi> (not arguing it's not a better name -it is-, just why do it with all the complications it might have)
[05:00] <[A] ndy80> Riddell: what is hoary?
[05:00] <jordi> [A] ndy80: name of the next version of Ubuntu
[05:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: yeah
[05:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) jordi: I can't remember...
[05:01] <jordi> bob2: ah, silly bob!
[05:01] <[A] ndy80> jordi: ok, thanks. So I cannot use that repository If I only have Ubuntu 4.1 ?
[05:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) [A] ndy80: correct
[05:02] <jordi> [A] ndy80: if you use it, you upgrade to the (non-stable) development version of Ubuntu.
[05:02] (bob2/#ubuntu) jordi: it was daniels's fault!
[05:02] <jordi> [A] ndy80: probably a too-bumpy ride if you're new to GNU/Linux.
[05:02] <jordi> bob2: that makes sense. Sorry mate!
[05:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) hahaha
[05:03] <[A] ndy80> jordi: ehm, no. I use Linux since 1996
[05:03] <Riddell> [A] ndy80: the development version of ubuntu  change instances of "warty" to "hoary" in sources.list
[05:03] <[A] ndy80> I started with Slack 3.3
[05:03] <PorscheBoy> did anyone get Unreal Tournament 2004 to run on Ubuntu?
[05:04] <jordi> [A] ndy80: oh, lol. Sorry, it sounded like newbie-ish ;)
[05:04] <[A] ndy80> I'm new to Ubuntu :)
[05:04] <jordi> [A] ndy80: I've had it on me too, I started on 1997 :)
[05:04] <[A] ndy80> I use fedora core 3 on this pc, and now I've suse on my notebook but I'm not satisfied
[05:05] <Rob[a] > still not working over here :\
[05:05] <Rob[a] > are there some net install bootdisks available?
[05:09] <Coy> Falling love with Ubuntu...I've always used Fedora...not anymore...Ubuntu rocks!
[05:10] <unikum> Hello
[05:10] <mtl> hello
[05:10] <unikum> how do i install *.sh?
[05:11] <mtl> ?
[05:11] <Coy> How can I know will 3d work with my radeon card?I've played tuxkart and it works...so?
[05:11] <xiximkopp_> unikum: chmod +x file.sh
[05:11] <xiximkopp_> but you can also use: sh file.sh
[05:12] <Coy> sh .package.sh
[05:12] <cardador> PorscheBoy: i have it running
[05:12] <unikum> oki, thx
[05:12] <Coy> damn sh package.sh i ment
[05:12] <PorscheBoy> cardador, no errors?
[05:12] <xiximkopp_> no prob
[05:13] <PorscheBoy> cardador, did u install any additional files?
[05:13] <unikum> is there any .conf for mousemovement?
[05:14] <Coy> good usenet news reader for ubuntu? :)
[05:14] <Coy> pan?
[05:14] <mtl> slrn
[05:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) unikum: in X? look in the gnome mouse config options
[05:14] <Coy> ok
[05:14] <unikum> i dont want small thred-hold, i want close to zero as possible
[05:15] <Coy> slrn is coming..=)
[05:16] <micsch> someone installed cisco vpn client?
[05:16] <unikum> anybody playing chess at ICC or FICS?
[05:16] <cardador> PorscheBoy: just installed it from the dvd
[05:16] <micsch> unikum, sometimes
[05:16] <cardador> PorscheBoy: what are the errors?
[05:16] <PorscheBoy> oh
[05:17] <madsen> Oy humans! :)
[05:17] <PorscheBoy> well, right now i'm on WinServer2003 so i can't tell you
[05:17] <Coy> should I be worried about PnP Bios error on boot? I've read forum and I found it there...no worries?
[05:17] <madsen> I've got a problem with my locale, which is seriously screwed up...
[05:17] <PorscheBoy> madsen, u must be using hoary, right?
[05:17] <Coy> I have updated bios in september so it's new
[05:17] <madsen> PorscheBoy: yup
[05:18] <cardador> madsen: you are lucky... my nautilus is screwed up :)
[05:18] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Actually, I just finished upgrading to it... Or... I just failed upgrading some pkgs.
[05:18] <madsen> cardador: Well, I can't install/remove anything...
[05:18] <cardador> madsen: why?
[05:18] <PorscheBoy> madsen, just type "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and change it
[05:18] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I did, but I keep getting errors.
[05:19] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I chose en_US.utf8 and da_DK.utf8
[05:19] <PorscheBoy> like "gdm-Widget...."?
[05:19] <madsen> PorscheBoy: It generated fine, but still gives gazillions of errors.
[05:19] <PorscheBoy> madsen, i think u have to choose fr as ur locale
[05:20] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Say what?
[05:20] <PorscheBoy> madsen, just type "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and choose fr and ur language
[05:20] <madsen> French? Why?
[05:21] <madsen> PorscheBoy: I want my Linux in English, and my gf wants it in danish...
[05:21] <PorscheBoy> madsen, lol...cause this hoary was based fr language
[05:23] <madsen> Why the phUk did they base it on french???
[05:24] <PorscheBoy> madsen, cause it was made in france...not US
[05:25] <madsen> PorscheBoy: Yeah, but french isn't exactly the lingua franca of the Linux world.
[05:25] <Coy> ubuntu has pretty ban finnish support so I use it in english...
[05:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) Ubuntu is not "based fr language"
[05:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) the default is english, but you can use a bunch of different ones
[05:25] <PorscheBoy> madsen, but have u tried Fr yet?
[05:25] <Coy> when next Ubuntu will be released?
[05:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: april 2005
[05:26] <Coy> Ubuntu has mixed up swedish and finnish...I hope it will be fixed in the future ;)
[05:26] <Coy> bob2:thanks
[05:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: please file a bug if no one else has
[05:28] <Coy> bob2: yeah I should but it's not so important... =)Many distributions has problems with finnish translations..
[05:29] <Coy> bob2: it enough that keyboard works in finnish =)
[05:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: no, please do
[05:29] <[mirak-] > afternoon, room :)
[05:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: we want hoary to support languages even better
[05:29] <Coy> bob2:ok I will I just check out that it haven't been already made
[05:29] <madsen> actually, where can I find info on setting the LC_* vars correctly?
[05:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: thanks a lot!
[05:31] <Coy> bob2: could you something about that PnP bios error?It's harmless I quess but it's annoying and pretty common... :)
[05:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) "PnP BIOS"?
[05:31] (bob2/#ubuntu)  the PCI hotplugging thing?
[05:31] <Coy> bob2:yeah..
[05:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: it's fine to ignore it
[05:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: if it bothers you, blacklist the modules in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[05:32] <Coy> I get error on boot...PnP BIOS caused fatal error...
[05:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) I haven't seen that one
[05:33] <Coy> bob2:it boot fine,there's in forum same topic about it.. =)not by me but someone
[05:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) if it's a bug, it needs to be reported
[05:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) the ubuntu devs (aside from daniel) don't read the forums looking for reports
[05:34] <Coy> bob2:what I should write in /etc/hotplug/blacklist?
[05:34] <Coy> bob2:no I think it's not a bug...I have oem bios by HP so it's not standart..
[05:35] (bob2/#ubuntu) erm, dunno about that
[05:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) ask on the list maybe
[05:39] <cardador> nautilus does not auto update the files. the same happens when i copy smt to the deslktop, i have to refresh it. Any clues?
[05:40] <Coy> bob2:sorry I bother but what I should comment out in the blacklist?there is no PnP... :)*newbie*
[05:40] <cardador> maybe it helps if i say that it happened after the fam -> gamin transition
[05:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: ignore my blacklist comment, I misunderstood you
[05:42] <Coy> bob2:ok..How about if I edit grub files and add "nobiospnp"?Just that i get rid of that error prompt... :)
[05:43] (bob2/#ubuntu) no idea
[05:43] <Coy> ok :)
[05:46] <madsen> Hmm, when I try to compile the locale definition file by hand I get:
[05:46] <madsen> /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/UTF-8.gz:1: syntax error in prolog: invalid definition
[05:46] <madsen> /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/UTF-8.gz:2: syntax error in prolog: invalid definition
[05:46] <madsen> memory clobbered past end of allocated block
[05:51] <Toadstool> hi
[05:52] <NewComer> anyone aware of a galaxy gtk2 engine package? ubunutu package that is
[05:52] <Coy> is 686 kernel good for amd athlon?
[05:53] <Toadstool> i need help about sound with my laptop and ubuntu please
[05:54] <gtanguy> hi
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) Coy: no
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) use the k7 one
[05:55] <Coy> bob2:yeah I noticed.. =) thanks anyway..
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) 686 might not even boot
[05:57] <Coy> bob2:k7 is coming.. =) I remember that fedora uses i686 by default..
[05:59] <madsen> Hmm, has anyone elaborated on the locale issue in Hoary?
[06:01] <Coy> have to go but thanks bob2 :) I will make that bug report about finnish and swedish mix up ;)
[06:05] <hitchhiker> Hi, I'm trying to enable DMA on my DVD and HD but the setting is not sticking
[06:05] <hitchhiker> When I play DVD it's a bit jerky
[06:05] <hitchhiker> DMA works under WinXP
[06:05] <hitchhiker> Any ideas?
[06:11] <madsen> hitchhiker: are you using hdparm?
[06:12] (sri/#ubuntu) good mornin
[06:18] <unikum> whats most common dc client for dc?
[06:18] <unikum> whats most common client for dc?
[06:19] <Toadstool> bye
[06:19] <TravisBarker> hi guys
[06:20] <TravisBarker> im trying to make a GUI for yum but im having trouble figuring out how to build python source from glade projects
[06:20] <Grogoreo> hi
[06:21] <Grogoreo> can anyone tell me if Ubuntu comes with Gnome 2.8 please? I cant seem to find the package list on the site
[06:21] <deFrysk> id does
[06:21] <deFrysk> it
[06:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Grogoreo: it does indeed
[06:21] <TravisBarker> my glade UI doesnt list python as a build option
[06:21] <Grogoreo> thanks bob2
[06:21] <TravisBarker> it has C C++ and ada95
[06:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: just load the xml file from pyglade
[06:22] <madsen> TravisBarker: That's because Glade doesn't support Python, but Python supports glade.
[06:22] <deFrysk> gui for yum ? like yumi ?
[06:22] <TravisBarker> like yumi, yes
[06:22] <TravisBarker> but yumi is broken for the new yum so...
[06:22] <madsen> TravisBarker: Just select 'C' and then remove all build-options and files. You only need <project>.glade
[06:22] (bob2/#ubuntu) what does a yum gui have to do with #ubuntu?
[06:23] <TravisBarker> bob2: i was told to bring it up here because you guys are some kind of python gurus :)
[06:23] <TravisBarker> bob2: sorry if im off topic for you
[06:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: try #python
[06:23] <madsen> TravisBarker: I don't know python, but I've done Ruby and C# with glade... Also a bit of PHP.
[06:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: you want to be loading the .glade file at runtime, tho
[06:24] <TravisBarker> bob2: i tried #python, and after explaining the situation, they told me that I know more about glade already than any of them
[06:24] <madsen> TravisBarker: But I think you should start with a HelloWorld in python/glade before jumping into the whole yum gui thingy...
[06:24] <deFrysk> yum sucks anyway
[06:24] <TravisBarker> in other words most of #python is sleeping :)
[06:24] <deFrysk> whe cares
[06:24] <deFrysk> whe = who
[06:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, look at the pyglkade sample code
[06:25] <madsen> deFrysk: What a wonderfully constructive attitude...
[06:25] <deFrysk> yes
[06:25] <deFrysk> its true though
[06:25] <hitchhiker> madsen:Whats hdparm?
[06:25] <TravisBarker> madsen: i have the HelloWorld GUI i built loaded on my desktop right now :)
[06:25] <deFrysk> hd parameters
[06:25] <TravisBarker> im just trying to get it into python
[06:25] <madsen> hitchhiker: A cmd-line tool for tuning your hd.
[06:26] <hitchhiker> never used it
[06:26] <deFrysk> try sudo hdparm -tT /dev/dha
[06:26] <deFrysk> to check your speeds
[06:26] <madsen> TravisBarker: Then save the project, remove everything but <project>.glade and use that in your python source.
[06:26] <TravisBarker> madsen: thanks
[06:27] <hitchhiker> root@ubuntu:/etc # sudo hdparm -tT /dev/hdb1
[06:27] <hitchhiker> /dev/hdb1:
[06:27] <hitchhiker>  Timing cached reads:   1060 MB in  2.00 seconds = 528.76 MB/sec
[06:27] <hitchhiker>  Timing buffered disk reads:  126 MB in  3.03 seconds =  41.52 MB/sec
[06:27] <deFrysk> thats flooding :s
[06:27] <madsen> TravisBarker: You might be able to use some of the info on http://gnome2-ruby.sourceforge.jp to learn about interacting with glade files from a scripting language.
[06:27] <deFrysk> almost
[06:27] <hitchhiker> sry
[06:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) hdparm is a terrible benchmarking tool
[06:28] <madsen> bob2: But it's alright for setting hd options.
[06:28] <hitchhiker> So how do I turn on DMA for my DVD drive?
[06:28] (bob2/#ubuntu) right
[06:28] <deFrysk> hitchhiker, probably is already on
[06:29] <hitchhiker> is there a way of checking as my DVD playback is choppy
[06:29] <madsen> hitchhiker: Something like `hdparm --help` might help you. :)
[06:29] <TravisBarker> madsen: apparently i dont have pyglade
[06:29] <TravisBarker> i have all of the python GTK packages installed
[06:29] <TravisBarker> but i dont see pyglade anywhere
[06:30] <madsen> TravisBarker: What os?
[06:30] <TravisBarker> fedora core 3 :(
[06:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) TravisBarker: come on dude
[06:30] <deFrysk> ooh
[06:30] <madsen> wtf!?! "When the screen comes up you will want to disable all ISO-8859-1 locales in the list. You will want to enable the appropriate UTF-8 locales for the languages you use, and choose a UTF-8 locale as the default system locale. That will be all you need to do right now." <- I did that, but no cookie! *grr*
[06:30] <deFrysk> infidel
[06:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) #fedora for basic package installation help
[06:30] <madsen> TravisBarker: Then install pyglade or libpyglade or whatever it's called...
[06:31] <TravisBarker> i go to #fedora and i end up _answering_ questions.. rarely do i get to ask many
[06:31] <TravisBarker> madsen: thats just it, i have libpyglade installed
[06:31] <madsen> TravisBarker: Then use it. (?)
[06:31] <TravisBarker> thats why im confused
[06:32] <madsen> TravisBarker: how do you tell python to use a lib?
[06:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) you don't
[06:32] (bob2/#ubuntu) you just import it
[06:32] <TravisBarker> rignot
[06:32] <TravisBarker> right
[06:32] <madsen> bob2: Ok, I've never done any python, so I have no clue...
[06:32] <madsen> in Ruby it'd be something like "require 'glade'"
[06:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) 'import glade' in python
[06:33] <TravisBarker> madsen: import pyglade
[06:33] <madsen> TravisBarker: And you are doing that?
[06:33] <TravisBarker> or somehting
[06:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) this really is a #python or python-glade-user list sorta question
[06:33] <TravisBarker> ImportError: No module named glade
[06:33] <madsen> TravisBarker: And you have the glade pkgs installed?
[06:33] <TravisBarker> bob2: then dont worry about it
[06:34] <TravisBarker> bob2: if you are not interested ignore the thread :P
[06:34] <TravisBarker> madsen: yep
[06:34] <madsen> bob2: It's not like there's a whole lot of other stuff going on right here right now.
[06:34] <TravisBarker> madsen: thanks for the help but it look like im pissing people off here so i will go away now
[06:34] <madsen> TravisBarker: Also glade-dev (or whatever fc names it)?
[06:34] <TravisBarker> anyway, good luck with your project
[06:34] <madsen> TravisBarker: My project?
[06:34] <madsen> TravisBarker: Good luck to you. :)
[06:34] <TravisBarker> this channel
[06:35] <TravisBarker> what ever it si
[06:35] <madsen> TravisBarker: Hehe, well, thanks. :)
[06:35] <TravisBarker> with assholes running lose like they seem to be, you are going to need it :)
[06:36] <madsen> Hmm, that was kind of a rude way to leave... :/
[06:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) wow, what a dick
[06:37] <madsen> Yeah, I just told him in a prov-msg...
[06:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) "omg #ubuntu won't help me with python programming questions for a tool for fedora"
[06:38] <madsen> bob2: hehe
[06:38] <madsen> bob2: At least it was somewhat linux related... :/
[06:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, true
[06:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) I don't mind OT stuff when no one is around, but when people do start asking useful questions and the OT stuff doesn't stop...
[06:39] <madsen> bob2: agreed. :)
[06:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) I somehow doubt #fedora would help me with my ruby-based ubuntu package manager
[06:41] <madsen> hehe
[06:41] <Amaranth> bob2: You wrote a package manager?
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) heh, no
[06:41] <Amaranth> apt is Python, isn't it?
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) no, C++
[06:41] <madsen> Actually yum should be in #yellowdog if there is a such...
[06:41] <will> OOOHH I got my Ubuntu CD's Today :))
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) and dpkg is in C
[06:41] <madsen> bob2: isn't it perl?
[06:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) madsen: no
[06:42] <Amaranth> was it ever written in python?
[06:42] <madsen> bob2: Well, when using apt-<whatever> I get perl errors...
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[06:42] <Amaranth> dang
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) madsen: well, not all <whatever> stuff is actually apt
[06:42] <Amaranth> ok, i'm down to emerge and rpm
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) apt-get and apt-cache are C++, tho
[06:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) debconf is perl, that might be what;s giving errors
[06:43] <Amaranth> i tell perl people to shove it when they tell me to ditch python by pointing to the package managers ;)
[06:44] <madsen> bob2: Interesting... 'Cause I'm getting locale errors all over all the time... And they're from perl... (When I do apt-<whatever> - I guess they call other tools.)
[06:45] <bskahan> anyone have the gxine browser working?
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) don't forget to edit /etc/environment after setting up your locale -- it might be trying the wrong one
[06:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) the locale system might be perl
[06:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) debconf certainly is
[06:45] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) also, log out and in, so /etc/environment is parsed
[06:47] <madsen> Treenaks: Hmm... I did not know that... (*hoping*)
[06:49] <hitchhiker> Cheers guys, hdparm sorted it
[06:49] <rapha> Yo!
[06:49] <rapha> Is there any way to have sounds in GNOME working when using ALSA instead of OSS?
[06:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) rapha: uh.. it's using esd
[06:50] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) which, afaik, uses alsa by default
[06:50] <madsen> Treenaks: Woohoo! You're my new favourite person! It worked! :)
[06:50] <madsen> rapha: oss-emulation on alsa... (?)
[06:50] <rapha> madsen: Okay.
[06:50] <rapha> And why can't I do two sound-things at the same time using ALSA?
[06:51] <madsen> rapha: you want alsa-oss
[06:51] <rapha> Okay
[06:51] <ironwolf> how did ubuntu install change my hardware clock, and how without going into the bios, do I change it back?
[06:51] <madsen> rapha: To make more apps output through alsa you probably want the jackd
[06:51] <rapha> madsen:  What does jackd do?
[06:52] <rapha> I am also using linphone now over ALSA, but mplayer won't even start with -ao alsa.
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) madsen: no, jackd is not compatible with oss
[06:52] <rapha> Isn't alsa supposed to allow an unlimited number of sounds to be played at the same time?
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) you probably want to use DMIX
[06:52] <rapha> Oh, what is DMIX?
[06:52] <madsen> Treenaks: No, but it is with alsa and kernel 2.6 uses alsa as the default.
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) madsen: uh.. with esd I ment
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) +a
[06:53] <madsen> Treenaks: You can emulate oss with alsa.
[06:53] <madsen> Treenaks: Oh. :)
[06:54] <will> does anyone here use ephiphany?
[06:54] <madsen> rapha: http://jackit.sourceforge.net
[06:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) rapha: use gnomemeeting and totem
[06:54] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) rapha: they output through ESD by default
[06:54] <rapha> madsen:  apt-get install jackd
[06:54] <rapha> :-)
[06:55] <rapha> Treenaks:  gnomemeeting doesn't work through my partners' firewall
[06:56] (alexis|dodo/#ubuntu) coucou
[06:56] <madsen> rapha: But then you need your apps to have jack-output support.
[06:56] <rapha> I see
[06:56] <rapha> Hmm
[06:56] <rapha> Okay, so I could as well hack ESD output support into Linphone.
[06:56] <madsen> rapha: mplayer does have it, if it's compiled with it, but I'm not sure if gnome supports it (or if it ever will).
[06:57] <rapha> madsen: mplayer also has esd output support. Problem is that there seems to be no SIP application that has it.
[06:57] <madsen> rapha: Might be... Or try asking on a more sound-focused channel perhaps. (I just don't know any off the top of my head.)
[06:57] <rapha> So what will Ubuntu do in the future? Focus on moving all its apps to ESD or moving them to ALSA?
[06:57] <madsen> alsa I hope
[06:58] <rapha> Any official position on that?
[06:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) alsa and esd are sorta orthogonal
[06:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) gnome is apparently moving to polypaudio
[06:58] <madsen> rapha: Well, the kernel (2.6) runs alsa as default, so it would seem kinda logical to move towards that.
[06:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) ubuntu currently uses esd on top of alsa, by default
[06:59] <rapha> Okay
[06:59] <rapha> bob2: So applications which natively use ALSA should be able to parallel output sound to ESD-using apps, right?
[06:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[06:59] <rapha> Hmm
[07:00] <rapha> Too bad
[07:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) not unless a) you have a good sound card (=emu10k1) or b) sewtup dmix
[07:00] <rapha> a isn't given, so I'll try b.
[07:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) dmix is pretty easy to do
[07:00] <rapha> Cool
[07:00] <rapha> So will Ubuntu do it by default with Hoary?
[07:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) dmix? everything should be using polyp by then
[07:01] <rapha> Oh
[07:01] <rapha> Okay
[07:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[07:01] <adnans> polyp? jack!!
[07:01] <rapha> I'm looking at that, yes.
[07:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) bob2: setting up dmix isn't hard, is it?
[07:02] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) just one config file, right?
[07:02] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah
[07:06] <adnans> actually, audio apps should be rewritten for jack
[07:06] <adnans> which runs on top of alsa
[07:07] <mirak> pan sucks
[07:07] <adnans> unfortunately most linux/unix audio apps are written with the oss/esd style api in mind (read/write/block)
[07:07] <mirak> it crashes when posting
[07:08] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) adnans: does jack run on top of, say, the freebsd apis as well?
[07:08] <adnans> Treenaks: if someone ports it, sure..
[07:09] <adnans> Treeknaks, there is an oss driver, so it should run (assuming freebsd emulates oss)
[07:29] <skeff> I downloaded and installed, using alien, Sun's Java JRE 1.5.0 package, and put a symlink to the plugin provided into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins, but then when firefox got to a site with a java applet, it violently started crashing..
[07:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) was sun's jre compiled with gcc3.2 or later?
[07:29] <skeff> bob2, I wouldn't know
[07:29] <skeff> lemme check, if I can
[07:30] <Eon|> how do i enable SBA and fast writes in ubuntu? im using nvidia-binary driver. motherboard & card support them.
[07:31] <dr_willis> perhaops its a nvidia driver option in  te X config file.
[07:32] <skeff> bob2, I have no idea how to find out.  What if it is?
[07:37] <skeff> why is my xchat in swedish, I don't get it!  My national language is set to norwegian, and I've also removed all nonsense from /etc/environment:Language which contained all scandianavian languages..for some weird reason
[07:46] <krischan> Hello everyone.
[07:46] <scoon> hey there,
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) wow
[07:46] <skeff> bob2, there is a plugin directory called "ns7" and then there is an "ns7-gcc29" ;)
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) the internet is solid broken
[07:46] <skeff> it sure is
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) always at the last hop
[07:46] <scoon> you can bet on that.
[07:46] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) it's like a massive DoS campaign or something
[07:47] <scoon> more crap out there than there really needs.
[07:47] <krischan> Could anybody please tell me if it is possible to limit the download bandwidth when using apt-get?
[07:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: "trickle"
[07:47] <krischan> bob2: Is that a program?
[07:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[07:48] <krischan> never heard of it, what does it do?
[07:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) 04:47:13       krischan |  Could anybody please tell me if it is possible to limit the download bandwidth when using apt-get?
[07:49] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) krischan: apt-cache show trickle
[07:50] <krischan> I see. Can I limit the bandwidth of any program with this tool?
[07:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) that's what the description says
[07:55] <krischan> So, I could issue the command 'trickle -d 30 apt-get' and then execute 'apt-get upgrade' in order to achieve the desired effect.
[07:55] <skeff> Which java runtime package would work in Ubuntu?
[07:56] <skeff> oh well let me rephrase that: Which JRE plugin provider would work in Firefox?
[07:56] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) skeff: I have a working 1.5
[07:57] <skeff> Treenaks, from Sun?
[07:57] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[07:58] <Kjartan> hi all
[07:58] <Kjartan> I'm kinda poking ubuntu to know whats under the hood
[07:58] <Kjartan> so the first question would be, in gentoo there is an emerge command. Is there something alike in ubuntu?
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) haha
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) apt-get
[07:59] <madsen> Kjartan: `man apt`
[07:59] <oddabe19> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) what emerge dreams of being
[07:59] <skeff> Kjartan, Ubuntu is debian based
[07:59] <oddabe19> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:59] <madsen> bob2: Actually, I think emerge is more like a "ports" clone thingy.
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) sure
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) but all package managers dream of being apt ;-)
[08:00] <skeff> Kjartan, you like gentoo?
[08:00] <Kjartan> well, gentoo is like fast-fast-fast. does ubuntu build stuff from source for optimal performance?
[08:00] <madsen> bob2: Hehe, no all package-managers wants to be RPA-base. :)
[08:00] <Kjartan> I am thinking about either ubuntu or gentoo
[08:00] <madsen> Kjartan: I think you should read up on Debian basics... http://debian.org
[08:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) Kjartan: you have benchmarks showing that compiling from source actually gives an improvement in speed?
[08:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want to build things from source with -O99 -fomit-instructions, use gentoo
[08:01] <regeya> meh
[08:01] <madsen> Kjartan: I've run gentoo and it's alright, but I dig debian based distros more, 'cause I hate to spend 4 hours installing mozilla.
[08:01] <Kjartan> :P
[08:01] <Kjartan> I dunno anything about debian
[08:02] <Kjartan> from what I've heard.. it's bad
[08:02] <regeya> gentoo isn't like fast-fast-fast, really.  maybe if you could get the intel compiler working, and had intel hardware, it'd kick everyone's asses.
[08:02] <Kjartan> so you went from gentoo to ubuntu?
[08:02] <regeya> risking IHBT Syndrome, what have you heard about that was bad, specifically?
[08:03] <Kjartan> messy for the most part
[08:03] <malte`> i use ubuntu on my celeron 800 laptop, i couldn't afford a 4 hours glibc compile
[08:03] <regeya> heh
[08:03] <puzzledm> hi sorry to interrupt but quick question to you all.  Does any one know a way of returning my Ubuntu install back to Warty from Hoary?
[08:03] <malte`> but i still use gentoo on the athlon xp :P
[08:03] <Kjartan> malte`, it's fast?
[08:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) puzzledm: you can't
[08:04] <puzzledm> doh!
[08:04] <malte`> i did a stage1 + nptl
[08:04] <malte`> it IS fast :)
[08:04] <regeya> yeah; I was mainly looking for a decent desktop OS.  Really, under Gentoo, I was using UDEV, a relatively new kernel, the latest GNOME, the GNOME System Tools, etc.
[08:04] <regeya> I installed a default Ubuntu desktop and was happier with the results.  I felt, well, dumb. :-}
[08:05] <Kjartan> :P
[08:05] <Kjartan> right now I use Fedora Core 2. I have this problem... I have installed like 100000 packages
[08:05] <Kjartan> :P
[08:05] <regeya> I've installed some things from source, and done the dreaded sources mixing, but I've done very little work, compared to my days of searching through the Gentoo Forums for things that should have gone to bugs.gentoo.org, searching through bugs.gentoo.org for fixes that hadn't been committed yet, etc.
[08:05] <Kjartan> no matter what I install I end up with 1000 packages I _never_ use
[08:06] <regeya> and I was tired of waiting for someone to get serious about Portage-NG.
[08:06] <skeff> I like gentoo better, for such things as, right now..I don't even know if I'm running a samba server, ftp server or something.. and I have no idea why my Xchat is in swedish..
[08:06] <Kjartan> Portage-NG?
[08:06] <regeya> Portage-Next Generation.
[08:06] <Kjartan> k
[08:06] <Kjartan> skeff, swedish xchat you say :P
[08:07] <madsen> skeff: Ehrm, you _could_ try to search the package list and perhaps do a `ps aux`
[08:07] <regeya> it could be possible to beat freebsd's ports-portupgrade combination in just python, but people wanted to argue about c++ rewrites, using a relational database to store the tree, all kinds of unnecessary garbaage.
[08:08] <skeff> madsen, bah, also I would have a hard time getting the ftp server I want.. and I can just forget compiling something that isn't precompiled for this system..
[08:08] <madsen> skeff: What ftpd do you want?
[08:08] <skeff> madsen, proftpd
[08:08] <madsen> skeff: on Ubuntu?
[08:09] <skeff> Kjartan, yup I'm norwegian, I've set all variables to norwegian or if the program doesn't have norwegian locale, it should revert to english..but no..it goes to sweden.
[08:09] <skeff> madsen, yes?
[08:09] <madsen> skeff: have you considered `apt-get install proftpd`
[08:09] <Kjartan> NORSK KRAFT!!!
[08:09] <Kjartan> <-- norsk
[08:09] <Kjartan> :P
[08:09] <madsen> <- Dansk
[08:10] <skeff> Kjartan, no shit
[08:10] <Kjartan> skeff, yes shit
[08:10] <regeya> m.
[08:10] <madsen> skeff: It wouldn't hurt just to take a little look in the package-list before complaining about missing apps and stuff...
[08:10] <osiris_22> how do i install a .deb file
[08:11] <madsen> osiris_22: One you've downloaded?
[08:11] <osiris_22> yes sir
[08:11] <madsen> osiris_22: dpkg -i <pkg>
[08:11] <osiris_22> i did that
[08:11] <osiris_22> and it said errors blah
[08:11] <osiris_22> im trying to install yahoo messenger
[08:11] <madsen> osiris_22: Well, then the pkg is probably erronous... What does it complain about?
[08:12] <osiris_22> dpkg: error processing ymessenger (--install):
[08:12] <osiris_22>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:12] <osiris_22> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:12] <osiris_22>  ymessenger
[08:12] <skeff> madsen, I'm being prejudice I know.. actually it all boils down to me not being familiar with debian and where all the config goes and stuff. and godamnit, why doesn't java plugin work in firefox, why do I need to download a debian package when Sun provides both RPM and a self-extracting binary.
[08:12] <osiris_22> i think i know the problem
[08:12] <madsen> skeff: use 'alien' for rpms...
[08:12] <madsen> osiris_22: good! :)
[08:12] <skeff> madsen, I know..
[08:12] <madsen> skeff: Then what are you complaining about?
[08:13] <skeff> madsen, it's just the plugin that doesn't work..probably because these precompiled crap are not compatible
[08:13] <madsen> skeff: I'm running proftpd on my debian server.
[08:13] <Friczy> hi
[08:13] <madsen> skeff: Well, then write Sun and politely state that the crap doesn't work...
[08:13] <madsen> skeff: I've been using blackdown with great success.
[08:13] <Friczy> The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first disk. What can i do with it?
[08:14] <skeff> madsen, then I would have to get a JDK, no? and blackdown is NOT in the repository, for some reason
[08:14] <Pluk> you cant put the whole world in repository
[08:14] <madsen> skeff: That's probably because Blackdown isn't complete OS.
[08:14] <madsen> s/complete/completely/
[08:14] <skeff> madsen, say what?
[08:15] <madsen> skeff: afaik Blackdown isn't completely open source, so that might be a reason for it not being in the repo... There are .deb pkgs out there though...
[08:15] <skeff> madsen, OS is recognized as acronym for Operating System, sentence coherency does not compute
[08:15] <skeff> madsen, ok ;)
[08:15] <madsen> skeff: And coincidally OS is also an acronym for Open Source (OSS == Open Source Software).
[08:16] <skeff> madsen, OSS would fit me better.. anyhow; I want JRE, not JDK, at least: I want the option.
[08:16] <sondrobe> i've tried to install sharutils and it isn't available (on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and CD), where can i look for it?
[08:16] <unikum> help, i did a misstake. I change somehting in XF86Config-4. How can i get it back? Is there a backup copy somewhere?
[08:17] <malte`> what's this thing about "not completely OSS?"
[08:17] <madsen> skeff: http://www.carfield.com.hk/mirror/blackdown/debian/pool/non-free/j/j2se1.3-i386/
[08:17] <malte`> that's why i still prefer gentoo :|
[08:17] <sondrobe> unikum, try  XF86Config-4.old
[08:17] <madsen> unikum: Sure, the one you made before changing the file... ;)
[08:18] <madsen> malte`: It's not entirely "open", so Debian might hesitate to put it in the repo. Or they'll stick it in the non-free repo...
[08:18] <skeff> malte`, well.. principally, Ubuntu is all about open source software, which to some is concidered a good thing. To me, that just throws out good software from a linux distribution.
[08:18] <unikum> i used search files and found one -- puh!
[08:18] <skeff> madsen, I want 1.5
[08:18] <madsen> skeff: Ok, then find it...
[08:19] <sondrobe> unikum, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.old
[08:19] <malte`> skeff, to me too
[08:19] <skeff> madsen, hehe, thanks..
[08:19] <regeya> it's not as if the software you want isn't available, and won't run on your Linux distribution.
[08:19] <skeff> regeya, but you sure hell can't be a newbie and have java on your computer
[08:19] <sondrobe> unikum, or 'ls /etc/X11/XF86Config-4*'
[08:19] <madsen> skeff: Well, if you can read, then "yes, you can".
[08:20] <skeff> madsen, where would I read that?
[08:20] <Friczy> someone please help: The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first harddisk. What can i do with it? (I see them from fdisk)
[08:20] <madsen> skeff: My dad runs Debian (he's freaking 60 y.o. and calls me everytime he has to enter something in a terminal) and he installed Java by himself...
[08:20] <unikum> how can i get numlock be on after a reboot?
[08:20] <skeff> madsen, but he has to call you.
[08:21] <madsen> skeff: Tell me one thing, have you heard about google?
[08:21] <madsen> skeff: Not for installing Java... He found a howto on google and did the freaking thing.
[08:21] <madsen> skeff: But if you just whine and bitch about the system, then you won't get any java, 'cause it sure as hell doesn't install itself.
[08:21] <Pluk> :P
[08:21] <madsen> skeff: not even on gentoo... Hell, not even on windows.
[08:22] <skeff> I would do 'emerge blackdown-jre' on gentoo.. but oh..nevermind..
[08:22] <skeff> madsen, I have installed Java, but the _plugin_ for firefox doesn't work.. or firefox doesn't work with the plugin
[08:22] <malte`> ehhehe
[08:23] <malte`> i noticed that the new firefox can install the java plugin by himself
[08:23] <madsen> skeff: Have you read any docs? Does the plugin appear in 'about:plugins' in Ff?
[08:23] <malte`> but didn't try yet
[08:23] <skeff> madsen, the browser crashes when stumbling upon a java applet
[08:23] <madsen> malte`: I think you have to run Ff as root for it to work.
[08:23] <skeff> madsen, if you run ff as root will it install java system-wide?
[08:23] <madsen> skeff: Well, then it's probably there... Have you /tried/ searching on google.
[08:24] <madsen> skeff: I don't know... I said "I think".
[08:24] <skeff> madsen, no, because I reckoned since firefox is compiled for this ubuntu distribution, it would be a common ubuntu problem..
[08:24] <kagou> hi
[08:25] <Friczy> someone please help: The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first harddisk. What can i do with it? (I see them from fdisk)
[08:25] <skeff> madsen, mind you, I'm using hoary, so I have firefox 1.0
[08:25] <madsen> skeff: me too, but I don't use java
[08:26] <madsen> skeff: But even if it _should_ be only an Ubuntu problem, then google can usually still help you. I mean, where have you been man?
[08:26] <Pluk> i doubt if its a ubuntu problem
[08:26] <Friczy> skeff: install the jre from sun by hand and symlink to the plugin. It works in debian well
[08:26] <Pluk> cuz java and FF work ok here
[08:27] <Pluk> on hoary
[08:27] <madsen> skeff: "2004 Google - Searching 8,058,044,651 web pages" <- Do you think there's no mention of Ubuntu there?
[08:27] <skeff> Friczy, any special place I should put the JRE?
[08:27] <Friczy> skeff: no special place. In my debian I put it in /usr/local/jre
[08:28] <Friczy> and make symlinks from the bin directory to /usr/local/bin
[08:28] <Pluk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=198 <-- is an excellent howto for installing java on ff
[08:28] <madsen> lol!
[08:28] <Pluk> dont underestimate the power of a forum..
[08:28] <Pluk> :)
[08:29] <skeff> Pluk, first comment: "Well, It did not give me working java. But it broke firefox, always something "
[08:29] <Iskanje> Hey.. some help needed..
[08:29] <Friczy> me too but here is only a flame about java :D
[08:29] <madsen> skeff: Have you tried it?
[08:30] <Iskanje> Allright.. Got bit lost with networking
[08:30] <Iskanje> Anyone there has a minute to spare
[08:30] <skeff> madsen, I guess it's because I don't have the binaries in $PATH..
[08:31] <madsen> skeff: ok
[08:31] <Friczy> someone please help: The installer doesn't see my partitions on the first harddisk. What can i do with it? (I see them from fdisk)
[08:31] <madsen> Friczy: Sorry, I have no clue.
[08:31] <madsen> Iskanje: What's the problem?
[08:31] <Friczy> ok :(
[08:32] <Iskanje> madsen:Sooo... I can't get the network card up&running
[08:32] <madsen> Friczy: Actually, what fs is currently on hda?
[08:32] <Friczy> madsen: a lot :)
[08:32] <Iskanje> It shows up on the device manager, but that's all
[08:33] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm, are the modules for it loaded?
[08:33] <Friczy> madsen: I have a fully installed Debian with plenty of partitions
[08:33] <madsen> Friczy: Yeah, but that doesn't really say anything about the filesystem
[08:33] <Friczy> but I can make a 10 giga partition free for ubuntu
[08:33] <madsen> Friczy: But as it's Linux I can't see it should be a problem then.
[08:34] <Friczy> madsen: yes, I only need a solution to start the real installation somehow.
[08:34] <madsen> <- Lagging because of a download
[08:34] <Iskanje> Not sure.. lsmod shows a lot..
[08:34] <madsen> Friczy: Could the bootloader be hiding the partition?
[08:34] <Friczy> I can partition it manually but I can' tell the installer that this should be the root of the installation
[08:34] <madsen> Iskanje: lsmod | grep <module_name>
[08:35] <Friczy> madsen: I doesn't hide any partition.
[08:35] <madsen> Friczy: Hmm, that's really odd...
[08:35] <Friczy> madsen: yes, it is.
[08:35] <madsen> MikeGTN: Hehe, tell #lemmings hello from me. :)
[08:36] <MikeGTN> hi madsen
[08:36] <Friczy> madsen: I have 3 disks and only the first where installer doesn' see anything
[08:36] <madsen> MikeGTN: :)
[08:36] <Iskanje> How do I know the module name?
[08:36] <madsen> Iskanje: Good question... What card is it?
[08:37] <Iskanje> Device manager shows Standard Microsystems Corp...
[08:37] <madsen> Friczy: I'm lost, I have no clue what so ever... :(
[08:37] <Iskanje> 83c170 EPIC/100
[08:37] <Friczy> madsen: ok. I write a letter to the list, perhaps someone gives a solution
[08:37] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm... Hang on...
[08:37] <madsen> Friczy: I hope...
[08:38] <Iskanje> Probably epic100?
[08:38] <Iskanje> It's loaded
[08:38] <madsen> Iskanje: Oh, good!
[08:38] <Friczy> Iskanje: ifconfig eth0 tells anything?
[08:38] <madsen> Iskanje: --^
[08:39] <skeff> Friczy, should I symlink java libs also to get that silly plugin working? Why doesn't alien do this for me?
[08:39] (stvn/#ubuntu) hello, how does one enable the tv-out on a radeon card in warty?
[08:39] <Iskanje> ifconfig looks normal..
[08:39] <Friczy> skeff: why want to use alien?
[08:39] <madsen> Actually, I had/have a weird experience with Ubuntu... All other OS's detect my normal NIC as eth0 and my wifi as eth1, but Ubuntu did the reverse... (?)
[08:40] <skeff> Friczy, when I got the JRE.rpm from Sun's site
[08:40] <Friczy> bah.
[08:40] <Friczy> from tgz or .bin it is better I think
[08:40] <madsen> Iskanje: try `sudo ifup eth0`
[08:40] <skeff> Friczy, heh, that's the point, they'll do the same thing..
[08:40] <Friczy> Iskanje: do you see a normal ip address in ifconfig?
[08:40] <Iskanje> "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
[08:41] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm...
[08:41] <madsen> Iskanje: cat /etc/networking/interfaces
[08:41] <madsen> Iskanje: Actually that should be `cat /etc/network/interfaces`
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> acorn-fdisk - Partition editor for Acorn/RISC OS machines
[08:42] <Iskanje> There's only loopback.. how  do I add?
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> why do they put that in univers
[08:42] <Friczy> Iskanje: auto eth0
[08:43] <Friczy> Iskanje: do you have dhcp server?
[08:43] <madsen> Iskanje: Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking if you want to do it the gui way.
[08:43] <madsen> Friczy: Most people do these days... :)
[08:43] <Iskanje> auto eth0 doesn't work..?
[08:43] <madsen> Iskanje: Did you restart the network?
[08:44] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here used Linux Disk Editor?
[08:44] <Friczy> Iskanje: no, it is not enough, you have to write at least one mor line :)
[08:44] <Iskanje> It doesn't start..
[08:44] <madsen> Iskanje: Try adding: iface eth0 inet dhcp   as well
[08:44] <Friczy> Iskanje: in /etc/network/interfaces file
[08:44] <madsen> Friczy: Hehe, we make a good support team. :)
[08:45] <Friczy> madsen: yes but I can support only debian-style :)
[08:45] <madsen> Friczy: Same here. :)
[08:45] <Friczy> because the installation problem
[08:45] <Friczy> interesting, because I could install ubuntu to my notebook at my workplace
[08:45] <madsen> Friczy: Oh, that way... Well, good thing that Ubuntu is Deb based then...
[08:46] <Friczy> madsen: yes, but I am courious to see ubuntu from scratch on my desktop
[08:46] <Iskanje> Oke, now I got it up.. the next is PPPoE..?
[08:46] <Friczy> so I dont want to upgrade my Debian to ubuntu
[08:46] <madsen> Friczy: Yeah, I took it from scratch as well...
[08:47] <madsen> Iskanje: Hmm, you on dialup?
[08:47] <Iskanje> dsl
[08:47] <madsen> Iskanje: Well, then try to ping google.com
[08:48] <madsen> Iskanje: Or just visit a website or something. :)
[08:48] <Iskanje> I haven't set up PPPoE.. How do I do that?
[08:49] <Friczy> Iskanje: are you sure you need it?
[08:49] <Iskanje> Yep
[08:49] <Friczy> dont you have a dsl router?
[08:49] <madsen> Iskanje: And have you tried pinging google?
[08:49] <Iskanje> Yes, but "dialling" is still needed
[08:49] <Iskanje> no ping
[08:50] <madsen> Iskanje: Sorry, I can't help you there. :/
[08:50] <Friczy> Iskanje: if you have a dsl router then you dont need pppoe.
[08:50] <sulkd> someone dist-upgraded hoary today? nautilus is crashing at startup for me
[08:50] <Pluk> it isnt that stable for me too
[08:51] <Friczy> if you dont have and this machine will connect directly to internet then you need pppoeconf
[08:51] <madsen> sulkd: I did... I have no problems...
[08:52] <Iskanje> aha, thanx, that's just what I need, pppoeconf -- working on it
[08:52] <sulkd> weird
[08:53] <sulkd> maybe I have to restart my X or something.. might be a stale bonobo orb or something
[08:53] <ironwolf> gaim urgent notification doesn't appear to work under ubuntu-desktop.  Any clues?
[08:53] <Rod> hi
[08:53] <gnuyen> Hi, why would someone use ubuntu instead of stock debian?
[08:54] <Rod> i installed ubuntu succesfully on a p733 with regular hardware. Now I have a brand new computer, and I cant get the network running
[08:54] <bogl> gnuyen: in my experience, it simply works!
[08:54] (stvn/#ubuntu) alt-1
[08:54] <Rod> lsmod shows that forcedeth is loaded, which is the network module
[08:54] <Rod> but it cant ping
[08:54] <gnuyen> so ease of use is higher?
[08:54] <Rod> and dhclient says the packet sizes are to big
[08:54] <bogl> I think it makes a better job of most things than xandros, which I as a medium level geek found to be pretty good
[08:55] <Rod> but /etc/resolv.conf took the right things... it took lb.home.venlo.nl, which is exactly what im using
[08:55] <Rod> i dont know what to do anymore
[08:55] <gnuyen> I'm a long time debian user, but when I got this laptop I decided to try out fedora core 1 to see if it had gotten better since redhat 6.1, and have sort of kept upgrading to fc3, and I sort of hate it
[08:55] <Rod> the network card is on a asus k8n motherboard
[08:55] <gnuyen> I really like debian, but I hear good things about ubuntu, but thats the logic i used to install fedora
[08:55] <mirak> gnuyen: then install debian
[08:56] <bogl> Anyone able to help with a USB HDD problem?
[08:56] <Rod> ifup shows also the network being present
[08:56] <gnuyen> So I'm just wondering what makes ubuntu better
[08:56] <Rod> still no network
[08:56] <ironwolf> gnuyen: improved hardware support, and gnome 2.8, more uptodate than debian are the advantages.
[08:56] <bogl> agreed with ironwolf
[08:56] <gnuyen> so it's more up to date than unstable debian?
[08:56] <madsen> gnuyen: I installed Ubuntu yesterday, came from Debian... I like Ubuntu, even though it's a bit more "user-friendly" than Debian and I don't get to hack as much as I like. :)
[08:56] <gnuyen> that's pretty good
[08:56] <Rod> I hope I can also add that the ppl in this channel for ubuntu are great :s
[08:57] <Rod> depends if they help me out or not :s
[08:57] <Pluk> :)
[08:57] <Rod> not sure if I give all the right information
[08:57] <Tomcat_> I finally found something I don't like in Ubuntu...
[08:57] <ironwolf> gnuyen: I like it better for desktop operations.  It's really, really slick.  Best bet is to try the "live CD" if you like it install it, if not, grab Debian.
[08:57] <gnuyen> As a gnome developer I'd like quicker gnome releases
[08:57] <sulkd> that was it.. restarted X and gnome and nautilus is a-ok
[08:57] <mirak> I don't know why, but when I dist-upgrade, apt always want to upgrade  libwxbase2.4 libwxgtk2.4 even if they are already installed
[08:57] <Tomcat_> I wanted to remove gaim and evolution... then it forces me to remove ubuntu-desktop as well, which is probably bad.
[08:57] <mirak> and the last version
[08:57] <madsen> gnuyen: Debian sid is overrated... There's still no Firefox 1.0 there...
[08:57] <Pluk> Tomcat_, you can do that without problem
[08:57] <ironwolf> removing ubuntu-desktop causes no harm.
[08:57] <IRCMonkey> Hi
[08:57] <Rod> maybe firefox is overrated madsen ;-)
[08:57] <madsen> Tomcat_: Hmm, that sucks, since removing Evo, Gaim and Xchat was my next task. :/
[08:57] <Iskanje> Allright, got it connected - thx. I'll now check if it comes up at boot
[08:57] <Pluk> ubuntu-desktop is a container for other packages to install
[08:58] <RuffianSoldier> http://img95.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img95&image=Ubuntu.jpg
[08:58] <mirak> madsen: but there is the debian menu and kde apps in the menu
[08:58] <Tomcat_> Pluk: Yes, it's only a metapackage, but it messes with the package management in my head. :)
[08:58] <Pluk> LOL
[08:58] <madsen> Rod: No, I like my Live Bookmarks and they're not in 0.9.3
[08:58] <bogl> I can't get a USB HDD to be made writable:
[08:58] <bogl> my fstab reads /dev/sda1 	/mnt/usbdisk 	vfat 	noauto,users,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[08:58] <IRCMonkey> Does anyone know how can I get the list of the supported packages?
[08:58] <madsen> mirak: ?
[08:58] <zenwhen> ircmoneky?
[08:58] <IRCMonkey> (I haven't got Internet access from Ubunto at the moment)
[08:58] <zenwhen> monkey*
[08:58] <bogl> it mounts, readable, copyable but not writable, even as root
[08:58] <zenwhen> Joey?
[08:58] <Tomcat_> Pluk: Because usually I remove a program, run deborphan, then remove the new orphaned packages, run deborphan, etc... when I remove ubuntu-desktop, I get 5 pages full of orphaned packages. :)
[08:58] <RubenV> IRCMonkey: everything with an ubuntu logo next to it in synaptic
[08:59] <IRCMonkey> ircmonkey = mozillla's default nick
[08:59] <zenwhen> ohhhh
[08:59] <zenwhen> ok
[08:59] <sulkd> IRCMonkey, I dunno.. aptitude search * ?
[08:59] <zenwhen> lol
[08:59] <IRCMonkey> Without having to boot into Ubuntu
[08:59] <Tomcat_> Pluk: So I'd rather leave evolution and gaim untouched and have a good packages system. :] 
[08:59] <Pluk> bogl, try instead of rw umask=000
[08:59] <IRCMonkey> I haven't got Internet connection from Linux ATM
[09:00] <bogl> pluk: thanks for that, will give it a go
[09:00] <IRCMonkey> So I'd like to find out and download some packages without having to reboot 3 or 4 times
[09:00] <skeff> IRCMonkey, just check out the online package catalog at gento.. oh no ahaha..this isn't gentoo..I'm ..so stupid.hehe
[09:01] <gnuyen> does the ipw2100 (centrino) driver work in ubuntu out of the box?
[09:01] <Rod> what info do you need to be able to tell why I cant connect to the internet?
[09:01] <IRCMonkey> x)
[09:01] <madsen> skeff: yeah
[09:01] <skeff> X-D I love you guys
[09:01] <IRCMonkey> Just the list of supported packages (I assume the list of unsupported packages is more or less the same as Debian's unstable branch)
[09:01] <IRCMonkey> I can't connect 'cos I have an unsupported DSL modem
[09:02] <RuffianSoldier> My Desktop: http://img95.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img95&image=Ubuntu.jpg
[09:03] <Rod> if' ve never seen a more ugly screenshot than that RuffianSoldier !!!
[09:03] <Rod> bbwaaaaaaaaa
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> Rod, wtf are you talking about?
[09:03] <IRCMonkey> I liked it :)
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> THank you
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> That is a pic of a field next to my house
[09:03] <RuffianSoldier> and I added the Ubuntu logo
[09:03] <skeff> oh that reminds me, the Take Screenshot functionality in Gnome disappeared, I think at the time I upgraded from warty to hoary.. how do I get it back?
[09:04] <Rod> is there a iso available of hoary? maybe that will get the network running
[09:04] <RuffianSoldier> skeff, try apt-cache searching for it
[09:04] <madsen> skeff: You can load a "take screenshot" applet.
[09:04] <skeff> madsen, no it doesn't work, it can't find gnome-screenshot or something
[09:05] <sulkd> skeff, you can just hit the "print screen" key on your keyboard
[09:05] <madsen> sulkd: _that_ doesn't work for me, even though I've reconfigured the shortcut.
[09:05] <skeff> hehe you guys..you crack me: result of pressing Print Screen: "Failed to execute child process "gnome-panel-screenshot" (No such file or directory)."
[09:06] <Rod> if i take the amd64 ISO instead, will the network work?
[09:06] <Rod> i now used the i386 for my amd64
[09:06] <Pluk> im running ubuntu-amd64 on my comp
[09:06] <sulkd> skeff: seems the screenshot thingie fell out of the gnome-panel package.. I don't seem to have it anymore either :] 
[09:06] <skeff> sulkd, :/
[09:07] <Pluk> with working networking :)
[09:07] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: does the little debian thingy on your top panel mean you have debian menus working?
[09:07] <skeff> Any tips on how I can search for wireless networks?
[09:07] <RuffianSoldier> It means I put a Debian logo in the corner
[09:07] <Pluk> skeff, install wavemon
[09:07] <skeff> Pluk, thanks
[09:07] <madsen> skeff: iwlist eth1 scanning
[09:08] <madsen> skeff: or whatever your wifi is called
[09:08] <skeff> madsen, interface doesn't support scanning it says, and yes, eth1 is wireless
[09:08] <topyli> RuffianSoldier: no, the debian logo next to the mini-commander looks like a menu
[09:08] <madsen> skeff: Then either it doesn't support scanning or it can't find anything...
[09:08] <IRCMonkey> Alright, I'm booting into Ubuntu
[09:08] <IRCMonkey> Thanks
[09:08] <skeff> madsen, what? EITHER!?
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> topyli, thats a popdown menu, and I just changed the Icon'
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> it has Firefox, XChat, and Gaim
[09:09] <topyli> ok, i was hoping someone knows how to enable debian menus :9
[09:09] <madsen> skeff: You could install imagemagick and then make a launcher that launches `import -window root ~/screenshot.jpg`.
[09:09] <RubenV> topyli: install debian
[09:09] <madsen> skeff: Yes, either...
[09:10] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) or mandrake :-P
[09:10] <RubenV> one of the best features of ubuntu is the lack of that horrible menu
[09:10] <topyli> RubenV: that's a pretty sure recipe
[09:10] <RubenV> btw
[09:10] <RubenV> there are voices raised about removing the debian menu alltogether
[09:10] <skeff> madsen, I would rather bitch about package inconsistency until that gets fixed.. I should file a bug I think..where?
[09:10] <madsen> skeff: You can try `ifup eth1; ifdown eth1` and then `iwlist eth1 scanning`. Or take a look at `iwconfig`
[09:11] <topyli> RubenV: i know. i don't think it will pass easily
[09:11] <madsen> skeff: Well, then bitch as you like, but the imagemagick thing is actually smarter, 'cause it won't give you that annoying popup asking if you want to save the shot.
[09:12] <madsen> skeff: I use a bash-function I've hacked myself to dump the screen and upload the image to my webserver.
[09:13] <madsen> skeff: ... via ssh. :)
[09:13] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: are you a Hacker?
[09:13] <madsen> skeff: It also creates a thumbnail... Serverside. :) Mmm...
[09:13] <EscN0W> does ubuntu 4.10 have sr_CS locale support in glibc and which version of glibc is included?
[09:14] <madsen> GammaRay: Yeah, semi-hacker as oposed to 'cracker'.
[09:14] <sulkd> skeff, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3556
[09:14] (GammaRay/#ubuntu) madsen: salted?
[09:14] <madsen> GammaRay: Yes please. :)
[09:14] <sulkd> skeff, next time they release gnome-utils package, it should show up again
[09:14] <skeff> ploum, wavemon says it can't find a wireless interface..?
[09:14] <skeff> sorry.. Pluk , wavemon says it can't find a wireless interface..?
[09:14] <skeff_> Pluk, wavemon says it can't find a wireless interface..?
[09:15] <madsen> skeff_: Then you probably haven't configured it to the right interface...
[09:15] <madsen> skeff_: Does it use eth1?
[09:15] <skeff_> madsen, who knows :)
[09:15] <bogl> I've messed up my cupsd.conf in an attempt to share my printer as per the wiki instructions - now I'm getting /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[09:15] <madsen> skeff: Well, you're the one using it, so I guess "you".
[09:16] <sulkd> skeff: do dmesg | less and look for your wifi
[09:16] <bogl> sorry, the error is Unable to read configuration file '/etc/cups/cupsd.conf' - exiting!
[09:16] <skeff> omg, this line: "hermes @ MEM 0xf0c4f000: Error -16 issuing command." takes up entire dmesg buffer.. I have a Prism2.5 Hermes wifi device or something..
[09:17] <madsen> skeff: Well, maybe that's your problem...
[09:17] <skeff> yes it is.. how long can I live in this distro
[09:18] <madsen> One good thing about synaptic over cmd-line apt... It's way easier to remove residual configs...
[09:19] <Pluk> that isnt a distro problem.. its a kernel problem
[09:19] <reddazz_> does anyone know of any articles that can help me create debian packages
[09:19] <madsen> 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^rc | awk {'print $1'} | xargs dpkg --purge' was pretty ugly.
[09:19] <dablitz> I have a question I hope someone can help me.
[09:20] <madsen> dablitz: fire away, no help guaranteed though...
[09:20] <RQ> hi
[09:20] <dablitz> I don't know who is familliar with vdr, but I am running it with 2 Hauppauge nexus-s cards, serving 2 seperate tv's
[09:20] <dablitz> on differnet channels
[09:20] <RQ> just wanted to know wether ubuntu includes wine by default?
[09:20] <bogl> Is it as simple as getting the cupsd.conf Ubuntu starts with & sticking that in?
[09:20] <dablitz> my problem is the the remotes are both using /dev/null and need them using /dev/input/event0 and even1
[09:21] <dablitz> but am having problems with the MAKEDEV
[09:21] <kent> RQ, no you will have to install it with synaptic or apt. Buts a very easy installation. Just a few clicks.
[09:21] <skeff> Where do I set which modules are loaded on boot?
[09:21] <dablitz> does anyone have any ideas
[09:21] <sulkd> skeff:
[09:21] <sulkd> MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Low-level driver helper for Lucent Hermes chipset and Prism II HFA384x wireless MAC controller");
[09:21] <sulkd> MODULE_AUTHOR("Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>"
[09:21] <sulkd> 	" & David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>");
[09:21] <RQ> kent, is it in oficial ubuntu packages, or in that another repo?
[09:21] <sulkd> skeff, try sending mail to those guys
[09:22] <EscN0W> where I can wind list of sowtware items in ubuntu distro?
[09:22] <skeff> sulkd, thanks but it's working now, who knows why
[09:22] <RQ> kent, ?
[09:22] <dablitz> I went into /var/log/messeges and the only thing I can see is they are both using /dev/null
[09:22] <StevenR> i have some basic questions about ubuntu, which i haven't found from other sources. 1) Does it come with KDE (or is it easy to add it)? 2) What sort of init system does it use (SysV/BSD)? 3) It's based on debian (?) so can i use apt/frontends to apt to add and remove software?. 4) What sort of tools does it come with for system administration (gui/ncurses/other)? 5) What platform are the packages built for(i486? i586?). 6) How co
[09:23] <RQ> another thing then - how mixable are ubuntu packages with debian packages?
[09:24] <ironwolf> StevenR: apt-get install kde, yes it works. SysV startup, apt-get frontends *synaptic package manager is loaded by default*... lots, see liveCD, lots see Universe in archive
[09:24] <sulkd> skeff: btw.. gnome-panel-screenshot just disappeared because they are moving it from the gnome-panel package to gnome-utils.. it will re-appear next time they release a new gnome-utils package :] 
[09:24] <ironwolf> RQ: it's possible, but not advisable, and can result in unexpected/broken results.
[09:25] <osiris_22> can rpms be used in ubuntu?
[09:25] <RQ> ok
[09:25] <StevenR> ironwolf: "Universe in archive"?
[09:25] <RQ> so are there official packages for WINE or would i need to take that from debian?
[09:25] <EscN0W> does ubuntu vcome with developement platform (gcc, nasm, etc for source compilation)?
[09:26] <dablitz> madsen any ideas
[09:26] <ironwolf> Universe in archive yes.  Multiverse also exists.  Multiverse has things like mplayer in it.
[09:26] <sulkd> RO: you can get unofficial (that still build and work ok) wine packages via the universe repository..
[09:26] <RQ> ok i see
[09:26] <osiris_22> this guy on judge judy read his gf diery and it said he was bad in bed so he decided to sue her
[09:27] <osiris_22> lmao
[09:27] <ironwolf> StevenR: sorry, are you familiar with Debian? if so /etc/apt/souces.list has commented out entries for Universe in it by default.
[09:27] <osiris_22> im laughen so hard
[09:27] <StevenR> ironwolf: what archive is this?
[09:27] <skeff> sulkd, thanks for the info
[09:27] <RQ> see, there's a teacher from one school who asked me to suggest him some "linux version"
[09:27] <sulkd> skeff :] 
[09:27] <RQ> and he said they would want to run encarta on it
[09:27] <RQ> and some other windoze apps
[09:27] <RQ> and his server runs debian
[09:27] <RQ> so i'm thinking that maybe ubuntu is OK
[09:28] <RQ> maybe not... dunno...
[09:28] <ironwolf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[09:28] <ironwolf> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[09:28] <StevenR> ironwolf: no, i've never used debian really. my linxu route is RH suse gentoo slackware. I'm looking into ubuntu out of mainly curiousity possibly to install on a spare machine
[09:28] <ironwolf> <--- for StevenR
[09:28] <dablitz> ironwolf where is the Mulitvers
[09:28] <madsen> dablitz: Sorry, no... It's not a subject I'm very much into. Sorry. :/
[09:28] <dablitz> thanks any madsen
[09:29] <ironwolf> dablitz: /etc/apt/sources.list change universe to multiverse.
[09:29] <dablitz> Heinlein?
[09:29] <dablitz> thanks ironwolf
[09:29] <ironwolf> dablitz: original reference to multiverse. :)
[09:30] <StovePipe> What about the Underverse?
[09:31] <StevenR> ironwolf: what are the deb bits on those links you gave me?
[09:31] <Iskanje> Another ?... How do I change the resolution of the GDM login screen?
[09:32] <madsen> Iskanje: I think that follows the X setup.
[09:32] <madsen> Gotta reboot. (New kernel.) Brb!
[09:32] <StevenR> ironwolf: what arch is the base system compiled for? i586? i386?
[09:32] <Iskanje> Well.. On desktop I can define the resolution, but not on GDM..
[09:33] <ironwolf> StevenR: base is i386, things what be multimedia are i586 i386 ik6 etc.
[09:33] <StevenR> ok
[09:33] <ironwolf> StevenR: yes, those bits in your /etc/apt/sources.list will give you "the universe"
[09:34] <bogl> Can I fix cups by deleting etc/cups & reinstalling?
[09:34] <ironwolf> StovePipe: sshhh.. underverse is our little secret. :)
[09:34] <StevenR> ironwolf: i dont have ubuntu yet, just browsing the packages files in the tree. I'm doing my research before installing anything
[09:34] <ironwolf> bogl apt-get --purge remove cups
[09:35] <ironwolf> StevenR: download the LiveCD, testdrive it.  You need not install it to run it... :)
[09:35] <StevenR> cool
[09:35] <ironwolf> StevenR: very. :)
[09:38] (stvn/#ubuntu) has anyone managed to get TV-out on a radeon in ubuntu?
[09:40] <dablitz> does anyone know how I would create a /dev/null1
[09:42] <osiris_22> ubuntu probablyb wouldnt see my microsoft pcmcia wireless lan card will it?
[09:42] <StevenR> ironwolf: thanks for all the info, very helpful :)
[09:42] <dablitz> osiris_22 you can try ndiswrapper
[09:43] <dablitz> i have my broadcom running that way
[09:43] <osiris_22> im not to linux savy to get it working lmao
[09:44] <narx|ubuntu> hi, i have a question for ya all
[09:44] <ironwolf> StevenR: We're here to help.
[09:44] <ironwolf> narx: ask away.
[09:45] <Riddell> hi StevenR
[09:45] <Riddell> StevenR: you can add KDE but it's not the newest version
[09:45] <StevenR> hi Riddell  :)
[09:45] <narx|ubuntu> my network configuration is perfect (or it just seem so..) but i cannot resolve any name
[09:45] <mirak> madsen: ?
[09:45] <StevenR> Riddell: o :)
[09:46] <Riddell> StevenR: I have some KDE 3.3 packages
[09:46] <narx|ubuntu> i receive my ip via dhcp and if i use the "live" ubuntu it works ok
[09:46] <StevenR> Riddell: i dont have ubuntu yet, still running slackware atm. doin some research
[09:46] <narx|ubuntu> any idea?
[09:47] <RQ> hmz
[09:47] <RQ> one more question. How soon should i expect ubuntu CD's?
[09:47] <RQ> i ordered a bunch of them a month ago maybe
[09:47] <RQ> if not earlier
[09:48] <narx|ubuntu> i received the CDs 2 days ago
[09:48] <narx|ubuntu> is there a way to install the "live" version to hdd? :)
[09:49] <ironwolf> RQ they just shipped.  Expect them this week I think.
[09:50] <ironwolf> narx.. Computer-->system configuration-->Networking
[09:50] <narx|ubuntu> ironwolf: i did it
[09:51] <narx|ubuntu> the files /etc/resolv.conf, the DNS addr and the routing table look ok
[09:51] <ironwolf> narx: goto a terminal window.  $ host www.google.com.
[09:51] <ironwolf> what's it say?
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> but i cannot ping
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> ironwolf: it doesn't work
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> the strange thing is that the live version works ok
[09:52] <narx|ubuntu> and i did the default install
[09:53] <narx|ubuntu> btw, now i'm on windows.. :|
[09:53] <RQ> ironwolf, ok :)
[09:54] <narx|ubuntu> ironwolf: any idea is appreciated :)
[09:56] <qopi> hello people
[09:57] <qopi> why doesn't ubuntu shut down my laptop? and what is that X that appears (and stays) in the middle of the screen (until an active window goes over it) everytime I start up?
[10:05] <tmp> lo guys
[10:07] <tmp> whe i try to access phpmyadmin ( using http://localhost/phpmyadmin ), firefox asks to save the file , confused ?? any ideas ??
[10:11] <kent> tmp, becaus you have not configured php correctly?  (that is, if it uses php.  I got that message when i hav'nt configured php)
[10:11] <bash> some one instaler medal of honor on linux ?
[10:11] <tmp> ok , will check on apache2.conf ...
[10:14] <ironwolf> qopi: no clue... that sounds really weird.  File a bug maybe?
[10:15] <Slipie> Hi there!
[10:15] <potajito> hi
[10:15] <potajito> do you know if ubuntu repos are working?all the packages give me 404
[10:16] <potajito> they worked yesterday
[10:16] <Slipie> Does anyone know how i can install ubuntu linux with an bootdisk.
[10:16] <qopi> ironwolf: no clue about the X, i take it?
[10:16] <Slipie> My pc can't boot from cd-rom
[10:17] <qopi> ironwolf: any idea about the not shutting down thing (is terminates everything, and then just says "power down"
[10:17] <ironwolf> qopi: my laptop doesn't powerdown either.  I assume APM/APCI bits.  Hopefully fixed in hoary.
[10:17] <ironwolf> qopi: for X? NFC.... sounds really weird.  ask in devel maybe.
[10:18] <qopi> ironwolf: ask in devel? is that another channel?
[10:19] <richo778> newbie to ubuntu, I need help, how do I hardware detect my sound card
[10:19] <ironwolf> qopi: ask in ubuntu-devel, sounds like an install/config of X problem.  I could be worng
[10:20] <ironwolf> richo778: did it not detect by default?
[10:20] <richo778> right
[10:20] <richo778> it's a soundblaster card
[10:21] <ironwolf> ricko778: do you have no sound in some particular app?
[10:21] <richo778> no sound at all the card didn't detect during install
[10:22] <richo778> is there a "sndconfig" or something like it
[10:23] <ironwolf> richo778: what's device manager say?
[10:23] <richo778> it has nothing about a sound card
[10:24] <ironwolf> richo778: does lspci find it?
[10:25] <richo778> no
[10:25] <richo778> maybe I'll just try re-installing the system again and see if it finds it this time
[10:27] <richo778> thanks for your time Ironwolf I appreciate it
[10:28] <potajito> do you know if ubuntu repositories are working?all the packages give me 404
[10:28] <ironwolf> richo778: is it a PCI or ISA card?
[10:29] <richo778> ISA
[10:29] <ironwolf> richo778: one sec
[10:30] <JStrike> potajito : works for me
[10:31] <potajito> does inkscape work for you?
[10:31] <potajito> i want to download it, but it dind't work, so I download the sources, but i neeed some gtk stuff, but it also give 404
[10:32] <potajito> not my day
[10:32] <ironwolf> potajito: I can get to the archive.
[10:32] <JStrike> Dont have Inkscape installed
[10:33] <potajito> ironwolf: wart or hoary?
[10:34] <ploum> hello
[10:34] <ploum> someone called me ?
[10:35] <Matt|> hiya. Huge problem. I can't attach files. I've tried in evolution and in gaim so far, and both just crash quick as you like. I believe this is with the recent updates in hoary, but i don't know how long this has been the situation - I can't remember last time i tried to attach a file ;) Any ideas?
[10:35] <ironwolf> potajito: both
[10:35] <ironwolf> rich0778: try apt-get install isapnptools
[10:35] <Matt|> ok it's def. the new updates, probably nautilus
[10:36] <spacey`ki> http://www.isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0017-binfmt_elf.txt ubuntu kernel already fixed for this?
[10:36] <spacey`ki> ah it is
[10:36] <spacey`ki> USN-30-1
[10:36] <pridkett> anyone have a prism2 mini pci card working?  mine went wonky recently and ubuntu can't seem to fix it.  I'm getting orinoco_lock() called with hw_unavailable messages in /var/log/messages
[10:36] <richo778> it can't find that package
[10:37] <potajito> done ironwolf
[10:37] <potajito> it works
[10:37] <pridkett> and as an FYI, it was working fine in Fedora
[10:37] <potajito> i will try apt-get update
[10:38] <richo778> ironwolf don't worry about it I'm going to throw in another card and see how that goes
[10:38] <richo778> thanks for the help
[10:38] <richo778> have a good day
[10:38] <potajito> pulg in and plug it put it worked for my scsi controller
[10:41] <potajito> now it works with apt-get update !! ;)
[10:48] <melanie> my nautilus doesn't work anymore after today's hoary update
[10:49] <JStrike> melanie : And that is to expected when you run a development release
[10:50] <jpvcx> melanie: have you restarted the x server? That fixed it for me.
[10:50] <andril> hello all
[10:50] <melanie> JStrike: since now everything worked fine
[10:50] <melanie> jpvcx: no, but i'm going to try it, thanks
[10:51] <Matt|> melanie, what is the problem?
[10:51] <Matt|> ah damn
[10:51] <Matt|> jpvcx, what is the problem?
[10:51] <Matt|> mebbe it is the same as mine
[10:52] <Matt|> perhaps I should have restarted X before filing a bug :(
[10:52] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[10:52] <defendguin> how is the hedgehog coming?
[10:54] <jpvcx> and?
[10:54] <Matt|> crap
[10:54] <Matt|> thanks jpape
[10:54] <jpvcx> heh
[10:54] <Matt|> thanks jpvcx
[10:59] <topyli> Matt|: how is evolution doing in hoary these days?
[11:00] <Matt|> topyli, it's fine
[11:00] <Matt|> topyli, i'm thinking of learning how to use a command line email tho
[11:01] <topyli> Matt|: well, mutt does rock.
[11:02] <topyli> was evolution ever broken to you? it might have been my imap partly
[11:02] <Matt|> i use pop so maybe
[11:02] <Matt|> how does mutt work?
[11:03] <Matt|> i was thinking of setting up some kind of server on my desktop and trying to log in to get my mail
[11:03] <topyli> dunno, i don't have a hoary box right now. i'm thinking about going back to hoary at work though
[11:03] <topyli> that's what i do
[11:03] <Matt|> topyli, know of any good howtos?
[11:03] <Matt|> simple ones
[11:04] <topyli> here's one: install ssh and dovecot, open ssh and imaps ports :)
[11:04] <Matt|> i am using sshd on that box
[11:04] <Matt|> what is dovecot?
[11:05] <cardador> topyli: are you able to acess imap on evolution? i cant
[11:05] <topyli> cardador: not on hoary
[11:05] <Matt|> oh really
[11:05] <Matt|> weird
[11:05] <topyli> Matt|: it's a small and secure pop/imap server
[11:05] <topyli> yeah, i blame evo
[11:05] <Matt|> topyli, can it download my other mail?
[11:06] <seb128_> cardador: evo version, secure connection ?
[11:06] <seb128_> the secure connection support is broken in 2.1.0
[11:06] <Matt|> ah
[11:06] <seb128_> turn the secure to never (always works perhaps too, not sure)
[11:06] <topyli> Matt|: perhaps via pop
[11:06] <seb128_> "whenever possible" is broken
[11:06] <topyli> oh, seb128_ knows
[11:07] <Matt|> topyli, yeah pop is what i use for my email providers
[11:07] <cardador> seb128: i tried that too, it doesnt work
[11:07] <Matt|> topyli, so i could get this dovecot program to get my pop mail and serve everything?
[11:08] <Drago> whats the name for the expirimental ubuntu?
[11:08] <Drago> horay?
[11:08] <topyli> Matt|: fetch with fetchmail, serve with dovecot. dove handles both pop and imap
[11:08] <Matt|> hooray!
[11:08] <Matt|> Drago, hoary
[11:08] <Matt|> :p
[11:08] <topyli> hehe
[11:08] <Drago> ahh k
[11:08] <topyli> whorey
[11:08] <Drago> =P
[11:10] <topyli> Matt|: i'm not saying it has to be dovecot. it's just nice and small -> simple and secure
[11:10] <topyli> you don't have thousands of clients anyway do you?
[11:10] <Matt|> ?
[11:11] <topyli> i mean the mail server
[11:11] <Matt|> i dunno anything about email
[11:11] <topyli> huh? i thought you were setting up dovecot :)
[11:12] <asdfv> hi
[11:12] <asdfv> i need help
[11:13] <asdfv> i've just installed ubuntu
[11:13] <asdfv> but it doesn't connect to the web, why?
[11:13] <topyli> ummmm... hard to say
[11:14] <asdfv> everything works
[11:14] <asdfv> only internet doesn't work
[11:14] <asdfv> i have a lan t3 connection
[11:15] <asdfv> with mandrake it was ok
[11:15] <topyli> do you mean the web doesn't work? irc seems to work ok :)
[11:15] <asdfv> no i'm using win2000(bleah)
[11:15] <topyli> ah. so you can't connect at all.
[11:15] <melanie> my bluetooth manager does not work anymore. i tried to reinstall but nothing changed. it doesn't start
[11:16] <topyli> asdfv: how do you connect?
[11:16] <asdfv> with lan
[11:17] <topyli> asdfv: dhcp or static?
[11:17] <asdfv> static
[11:18] <Drago> nyone know the expocity link to add to the apt sources for ubuntu?
[11:18] <Drago> *any
[11:18] <topyli> asdfv: is the interface up and looking ok when you do 'ifconfig'?
[11:19] <asdfv> mmm...i haven't tried yet
[11:19] <asdfv> i'm not very expert
[11:20] <topyli> asdfv: if it doesn't show, you should do 'sudo ifup eth0' and see if network comes up and if it shows in 'ifconfig'. if not, 'ifconfig' will show only the "lo" (loopback) device.
[11:20] <asdfv> ok i'll try now
[11:22] <ddepiano> hey folks, I'm having a problem with postfix.  I can't get the server to accept any mail sent from outside my network.  The folks in #postfix sent me back here
[11:22] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) haha
[11:22] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: that's not nice of them :)
[11:22] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: what do the logs say
[11:23] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: well that's the problem.  The traffic enters my router, gets forwarded to this computer then gets dropped
[11:24] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: is it listening on the ethernet interface?
[11:24] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: what do you mean by that?
[11:24] <jpvcx> Drago: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ expocity/
[11:25] <granlatigo> hi
[11:25] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: I can only connect to the server from localhost
[11:25] <granlatigo> anyone have problems to connect with a win2k'
[11:25] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) netstat -an|grep LISTEN|grep 25
[11:25] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) run that command
[11:26] <ddepiano> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:25            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
[11:26] <ddepiano> tcp6       0      0 ::1:25                  :::*                    LISTEN
[11:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ahh yep
[11:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) see it's not listening on the external interface
[11:26] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) if you edit /etc/postfix/master.cf
[11:26] <ddepiano> so if I change that to my IP it should work?
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it will have something like localhost:smtp
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) remove the 'localhost' bit
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) save, quit, restart postfix
[11:27] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) why are you running your own internet mailserver?
[11:27] <sulkd> ddepiano, take a look at /etc/postfix/main.cf, more specifically the "mynetworks" line
[11:28] <triablo> whatup
[11:28] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: well I was running qmail because I have extremely low traffic email and I wanted it to go with my low traffic website
[11:29] <topyli> triablo: serious hanging around, with some newbie love involved
[11:29] <usual> great nautilus is borked in hoary hehe
[11:29] <triablo> topyli: that's the way it whould be.
[11:29] <topyli> yep
[11:29] <jpvcx> usual: restart x server = problem solved
[11:29] <triablo> =)
[11:29] <usual> jpvcx, ahh ok :)
[11:29] <usual> will do
[11:31] <Drago> jpvcx, thanks
[11:31] <triablo> q: i installed fluxbox (because i hate the gnome env) but i can't seem to get it into the list of envirinments at the login screen. how do i put it there?
[11:31] <RuffianSoldier> bob2
[11:34] <ddepiano> HrdwrBoB: Dude you just solved a problem I've been working on all day THANKS!
[11:34] <topyli> got to go to sleep. when asdfv comes back, please help him/her/it with the static inet connection :)
[11:35] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) ddepiano: that's ok, glad to help :)
[11:35] <Marcellus_Wallac> hi, is anybody having problems with gdesklets on hoary?
[11:36] <narcisiss> after i type "ifconfig eth0 up" i receive this message from the kernel:
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Nov 22 23:23:40 2004 ...
[11:36] <narcisiss> localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #233
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	where 233 is the irq of the eth card
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	so i cannot use the net
[11:36] <narcisiss> 	how can i change that irq?
[11:44] <daveon> helloes
[11:44] <Gmail> hi
[11:45] <one_2_one> hy
[11:45] <one_2_one> any one knows where/how i can install mplayer for ppc ?
[11:50] <benjanet> hi do i add an NTFS file system to my ubuntu ?
[11:53] <daveon> how can I install monodevelop on ubuntu?
[11:54] <jdz_> benjanet: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[11:55] <kensai> It should be illegal to use windows and more ilegal mounting it on Linux LOL ;)
[11:55] <jdz_> kensai: People should be free to do as they wish
[11:56] <usual> jdz_, unless it involves supporting bush
[11:56] <usual> hehe
[11:56] <jdz_> daveon: Have you checked Universe?
[11:56] <kensai> jdz_, vahh I was joking I was once a Windows user but now I'm windows free since a year
[11:56] <daveon> what is universe?
[11:56] <daveon> :-)
[11:56] <jdz_> usual: I support people's right to support Bush, even if I did not vote for him myself
[11:57] <usual> jdz_, it's sad I didn't vote at all this time
[11:57] <kensai> vah Why vote if democracy is a fantasy?
[11:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) why not vote and then whinge about the result
[11:58] <asdfv> hi
[11:58] <Cuga_> daveon, Universe apt source is basically the rest of the debian unstable branch, gives you few thousand more packages to be installed via apt
[11:58] <asdfv> i need help
[11:58] <kensai> HrdwrBoB, Thats why I don't vote and don't whine neither ;)
[11:58] <daveon> I've got the getsweaa sources but I still cannot install monodevelop
[11:58] <Cuga_> daveon, edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines for universe
[11:58] <daveon> thanks
[11:59] <asdfv> i've just installed ubuntu (before i had mandrake) and somethings don't work
[11:59] <Cuga_> asdfv, like?
[11:59] <asdfv> i can't login as root
[11:59] <daveon> Cuga_  could it break any packages?
[11:59] <Cuga_> asdfv, if you would have read the notes during the installer, you would know why
[11:59] <jdz_> kensai: Heh, well, as they say -- the USA is only one party away from facisism ;)
[12:00] <asdfv> what do you mean?
[12:00] <Cuga_> daveon, its possible