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| doko | elmo: tetex-bin | 12:18 |
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| htaccess | if there is anyone from cannonical here, has ubuntu been invited to join the Linux Core Consortium? | 12:21 |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) I'm from canonical, but I don't know. | 12:22 | |
| carlos | htaccess: that looks like UnitedLinux second try | 12:28 |
| carlos | but changing Caldera with Progeny and Suse with Mandrake | 12:29 |
| lupus_ | will openoffice 2.0 be ready before hoary I wonder | 12:30 |
| carlos | don't think they will want to invite Ubuntu or any other distribution, a new distribution could "steal" their customers (personal opinion) | 12:31 |
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| Matt| | is it possible to get bashcompletion working with things like "apt-get install" or "killall" and suchlike on ubuntu? or is it something to do with the way you compile the packages? | 12:50 |
| carlos | Matt|: look at /etc/bash_completion.d | 12:51 |
| Matt| | thanks | 12:51 |
| Matt| | it is very long | 12:52 |
| Matt| | oh no sorry it is empty | 12:53 |
| carlos | :-? | 12:53 |
| Matt| | /etc/bash_completion is very long | 12:53 |
| carlos | look at the .d | 12:53 |
| Matt| | nothing in d | 12:53 |
| carlos | carlos@frodo ~ $ ls -l /etc/bash_completion.d/ | 12:53 |
| carlos | total 32 | 12:53 |
| carlos | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5437 2004-06-20 11:23 dpatch_edit_patch | 12:53 |
| carlos | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2340 2004-02-19 01:16 make_kpkg | 12:53 |
| carlos | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 946 2004-07-23 11:05 pon | 12:53 |
| carlos | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5702 2004-11-02 17:29 quilt | 12:53 |
| carlos | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8105 2004-09-30 14:16 subversion | 12:54 |
| Matt| | howdya do that? | 12:54 |
| carlos | I just have those file there | 12:54 |
| Matt| | perhaps this is better in #ubuntu | 12:54 |
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| Matt| | me too | 12:55 |
| carlos | Matt|: yes, better #ubuntu | 12:55 |
| seb128 | you just need to uncomment it in ~/.bashrc IIRC | 12:56 |
| carlos | seb128: it depends on the command | 12:56 |
| carlos | not all commands have that feature | 12:57 |
| seb128 | he was speaking about apt-get install | 12:57 |
| seb128 | I guess the include is commented | 12:57 |
| Matt| | could it be this: | 12:57 |
| Matt| | # enable programmable completion features (you don't need to enable | 12:57 |
| Matt| | # this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc). | 12:57 |
| Matt| | #if [ -f /etc/bash_completion ] ; then | 12:57 |
| Matt| | # . /etc/bash_completion | 12:57 |
| Matt| | #fi | 12:57 |
| carlos | Matt|: yes | 12:58 |
| seb128 | that's it | 12:58 |
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| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) warty-release-install-i286.iso | 01:42 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) heh - ^-- from releases.ubuntu.com apache log... someone's a little hopeful :) | 01:43 | |
| (sladen/#ubuntu-devel) wonder if bochs would compile to 16-bit | 01:43 | |
| (sladen/#ubuntu-devel) run your l33t 64-bit and 32-bit programs on your well-crappy processor | 01:43 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: still about? | 02:03 | |
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| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: yes | 02:04 | |
| jdub | elmo: did you get the openoffice source package names from chris halls? | 02:08 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: uh? | 02:08 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) last mail I have WRT openoffice is the discussion about syncing/merging it | 02:09 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) nothing from Chris recently | 02:09 | |
| jdub | ok | 02:14 |
| jdub | let's pick and choose ourselves then | 02:14 |
| jdub | we need to pull in openoffice from experimental | 02:14 |
| jdub | openoffice.org, openoffice.org-debian-files | 02:16 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) I thought the conclusion was they were modified and needed merged? | 02:16 | |
| jdub | can they go through mom? | 02:16 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) I dunno, I think mom only looks at unstable by default - we'd have to ask keybuk to special case them | 02:17 | |
| doko | jdub: I already did the merging, please wait until Rene did merge the latest 1.1.2 diffs to the 1.1.3 branch, | 02:23 |
| jdub | doko: ahr cool, can you track that please? | 02:25 |
| doko | jdub: will do. | 02:25 |
| jdub | thanks | 02:26 |
| === jdub wobbles with OOo 1.1.3 excitement ;-) | ||
| === robertj fiddles with Update-Manager | ||
| jdub | which rocks harder, dput or dupload? | 02:28 |
| === pasc uses ncftp | ||
| (chrisa/#ubuntu-devel) infinity got me to use dput and I haven't switched | 02:40 | |
| (chrisa/#ubuntu-devel) Though I seem to have a config for each in ~, now I'm confused | 02:41 | |
| jdub | pasc: ncftp? are you french or something? | 02:45 |
| (pasc/#ubuntu-devel) heh | 02:45 | |
| === chrisa uses ncftp | ||
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) I use lftp :-P | 02:47 | |
| (chrisa/#ubuntu-devel) People keep telling me to use lftp instead of ncftp | 02:48 | |
| jdub | lftp is the healthy choice | 02:48 |
| (chrisa/#ubuntu-devel) Actually, s/People/infinity/. He just doesn't like my software selection in general | 02:48 | |
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| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: dput | 02:57 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) chrisa: lftp does everything I ever liked about ncftp and more | 02:57 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) and it's free | 02:57 | |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) spongebob squarepants is, um, interesting. | 03:06 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) and Kamion is almost certainly asleep, yes? | 03:06 | |
| jdub | yo mdz | 03:06 |
| jdub | mdz: good break? | 03:06 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) doko: Running /build/buildd/gcc-3.4-3.4.3/src/libjava/testsuite/libjava.lang/lang.exp ... | 03:07 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) FAIL: StringBuffer_overflow -O3 execution - bytecode->native test | 03:07 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) just byutw | 03:07 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) btw | 03:07 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: fabulous | 03:11 | |
| === lamont curses at zsh's read test | ||
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) doko: sid gcc-3.4 builds on hoary/ia64 | 03:35 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: here? | 03:37 | |
| jdub | yeah | 03:38 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: I need you to fix the permissions on the seed archive | 03:38 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: patch-24/++revision-lock | 03:38 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) I think needs to be group-writable | 03:38 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) I'm getting | 03:38 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) arch_commit: unable to acquire revision lock (internal error in archive-pfs.c(pfs_lock_revision)) | 03:38 | |
| jdub | hrm | 03:39 |
| jdub | change all files to group writable and world readable? | 03:40 |
| jdub | well, i've done that | 03:41 |
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| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) gah | 03:49 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: then you committed a new revision, and I have the same problem | 03:49 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: is your umask broken? | 03:49 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: in the other archives, ++revision-lock shows up group-writable by default | 03:49 | |
| jdub | umask == 0022 | 03:50 |
| spotter | anyone else having issues w/ gnomevfs updates? | 03:50 |
| spotter | can't mount smb shares anymore via gnome (still works fine w/ smbmount) | 03:50 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: should be 002 | 03:51 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: can you fix patch-25 so that I can commit my pending changes? | 03:52 | |
| jdub | can't i just check in again? | 03:52 |
| jdub | heh | 03:53 |
| jdub | try now | 03:53 |
| jdub | (you can commit nothing) | 03:53 |
| jdub | ooh, crashing nautilus | 03:56 |
| jdub | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 03:57 |
| jdub | [Switching to Thread -1226321792 (LWP 13937)] | 03:57 |
| jdub | 0xb76cc5ff in _gnome_vfs_drive_from_corba () from /usr/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so.0 | 03:57 |
| jdub | 03:57 | |
| spotter | gnomevfs is screwed up in more ways than one | 04:01 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) cd ../../../Src/Modules && autoconf pcre.configure.ac >pcre.configure | 04:03 | |
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| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: arch_commit: unable to acquire revision lock (internal error in archive-pfs.c(pfs_lock_revision)) | 04:04 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) AM_MAINTAINER_MODE won't do much if the Makefile explicitly invokes autoconf, will it? | 04:04 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mdz@chinstrap:/home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--hoary/seeds--hoary--0 $ ls -l patch-26/++revision-lock/ | 04:04 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) total 4 | 04:04 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) drwxr-sr-x 2 jdub warthogs 4096 Nov 23 02:53 +contents | 04:04 | |
| jdub | ^ to fix the above gnomevfs upgrade issue, just kill gnome-vfs-daemon after upgrading | 04:04 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: AM_MAINTAINER_MODE will suppress the autoconf-invoking rules which are placed in Makefile.in by automake | 04:05 | |
| jdub | mdz: ... how am i going to fix that? :| | 04:05 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: chmod -R g+w /home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--hoary/seeds--hoary--0/patch-26/++revision-lock/ | 04:05 | |
| === jdub thought this is what we all laughed at svn about. | ||
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: ah, ok | 04:05 | |
| jdub | ber, okay | 04:05 |
| jdub | that's cheating :) | 04:06 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) and then fix your umask | 04:06 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) mount -t msdos -o loop=/dev/loop5 bootdiagnostic.b /tmp/liloboot | 04:06 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) mount: only root can do that | 04:06 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) lilo unhappy. :-( | 04:06 | |
| jdub | mdz: my umask is 0002 on chinstrap | 04:06 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) lilo is main? | 04:07 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) how strange... | 04:08 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: please chmod g+w /home/warthogs/archives/ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds/seeds--hoary/seeds--hoary--0/patch-{25,26} | 04:08 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) ahh, finally | 04:10 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) * committed ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--hoary--0--patch-27 | 04:10 | |
| jdub | so mcuh bong | 04:10 |
| jdub | let's get lifeless to fix that | 04:11 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) welcome to arch-land | 04:11 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Mithrandir: around? | 04:20 | |
| === lamont doubts it... | ||
| jdub | elmo: can you do a sync of samba 3.0.8-2 from unstable? | 04:42 |
| jdub | elmo: requires a merge | 04:42 |
| jdub | (need it to fix a gnome-vfs issue) | 04:42 |
| === spotter waits patiently for the fix | ||
| spotter | :) | 04:43 |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: if it requires a merge..... | 04:45 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) why not just upload? | 04:45 | |
| (whiprush/#ubuntu-devel) hey jdub, I'm a month or two late, but I'm close to a draft for a review for this weekend if you still want to review my work. | 04:46 | |
| (whiprush/#ubuntu-devel) I'm shooting for a monday morning post US thanksgiving review on ars if things go well. | 04:46 | |
| jdub | cool | 04:46 |
| jdub | fire away | 04:46 |
| jdub | lamont: thought our merge infrastructure did smarty-pants things | 04:47 |
| (whiprush/#ubuntu-devel) sorry so late, moved an apartment or two, changed a job, and inbetween laptops. But we've got some good feedback over the past few months. Should turn out well methinks. | 04:47 | |
| jdub | lamont: i could upload, but it should merge cleanly | 04:47 |
| jdub | whiprush: fun times :-) | 04:47 |
| jdub | whiprush: don't mind a bit of momentum press :-) | 04:47 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: either the ongoing-merge/samba files are correct (and someone just needs to sign/upload), or there is merge work to do... | 04:48 | |
| jdub | yay for uploading with dput | 04:48 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) yes | 04:48 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) although I had it scripted the other way.. | 04:48 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) script just got a lot shorter | 04:48 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: or more to the point, what would you like me to do with samba? | 04:50 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) :-) | 04:50 | |
| jdub | we need 3.0.8-2 from sid | 04:50 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) or rather, 3.0.8-2ubuntu1? | 04:50 | |
| jdub | yeah ;) | 04:50 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ok. I'll do that shortly | 04:50 | |
| jdub | that will let gnome-vfs2 go through | 04:51 |
| shaya | jdub: this is my problem? with smb gnome-vfs? | 04:51 |
| jdub | thanks | 04:51 |
| jdub | shaya: dunno, there are two problems | 04:51 |
| jdub | 1. smb won't work at all | 04:51 |
| jdub | 2. everything using gnome-vfs will crash until you killall gnome-vfs-daemon | 04:51 |
| shaya | jdub: later doesn't seem to be my issue, as I just booted up my laptop | 04:52 |
| jdub | yeah | 04:52 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: verifying that it at least builds before I upload. | 05:03 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: uploaded. | 05:08 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) hrm. | 05:08 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) yeah. uploaded | 05:08 | |
| jdub | rocking, thanks :) | 05:12 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: the output of MOM includes the appropriate dpkg-genchanges flag needed to get a useful .changes file | 05:18 | |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: kewl | 05:19 | |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: you really here? | 05:41 | |
| jdub | mdz, lamont: is ia64 for hoary supported, or just being built for the time being? | 06:07 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: I think it's a relatively committed feature-goal | 06:08 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) but it still lacks a few simple things like kernel packages and d-i.. :-) | 06:08 | |
| shaya | who runs ia64 in real life as a desktop? | 06:09 |
| jdub | shaya: ubuntu isn't desktop-only. | 06:09 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) shaya: the gang that is committed to making ia64 work for hoary, of course. | 06:09 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) I think tomorrow is 'fix postfix' day. | 06:09 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) there are a few hoary bugs to kill | 06:10 | |
| === aj reads planet debian and thinks "mako - rhymes with whacko" :) | ||
| (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) no, it rhymes with wako | 06:11 | |
| (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) which is worse? | 06:11 | |
| (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) its waco, my bad. | 06:12 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) aj: you talking about the baby comment? | 06:13 | |
| (aj/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: that's more the straw that broke the camel's sanity | 06:15 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) aj: heh | 06:15 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) aj: mako's cool | 06:15 | |
| (aj/#ubuntu-devel) cool, but craaaazy | 06:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) aj: you know, I'm not sure _he'd_ refute that... :-) | 06:17 | |
| (aj/#ubuntu-devel) i bet he'd focus on the cool part if he did | 06:22 | |
| fabbione | morning guys | 06:27 |
| fabbione | lamont: hey man | 06:27 |
| fabbione | lamont: i finished phase0 here :-) | 06:28 |
| fabbione | and i can bootstrap a chroot without any problem | 06:28 |
| mako | aj: actually.. i think getting to vent that stuff on a blog stabalizes me a little :) | 06:28 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: trying to discern from previous conversations... xlibs-dev* is evil now? | 06:28 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) evening mako | 06:29 | |
| fabbione | lamont: what do you mean? | 06:29 |
| fabbione | hey mako | 06:29 |
| mako | fabbione, lamont hey there :) | 06:29 |
| fabbione | (i am still at the first cup of coffee) | 06:29 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: packages should not build-dep xlibs-dev or xlibs-static-dev or ..., yes? | 06:29 | |
| mako | fabbione: i'm about to crash :) | 06:29 |
| fabbione | lamont: they shouldn't build-dep on xlibs-dev | 06:29 |
| === lamont is close to crash time as well | ||
| fabbione | lamont: but they can on xlibs-static-dev | 06:29 |
| mako | aj: there was a funny comment on my blog that was like "dude, i don't get it at all. are you a philosophy major or just nuts" | 06:29 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: ok. | 06:29 | |
| fabbione | lamont: and talking about it, we need to test a full rebuild of main | 06:30 |
| fabbione | lamont: because our buildd didn't catch some FTBFS | 06:30 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: sigh | 06:30 | |
| mako | "actually. i am an award winning philosopher and this is seriously deep shit" | 06:30 |
| fabbione | lamont: and it might be a good idea to do it in parallel | 06:30 |
| fabbione | lamont: with a faster machine than my sparc | 06:30 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: yeah - we have a few ftbfs right now | 06:30 | |
| fabbione | lamont: (that's how i got some of them yesterday) | 06:30 |
| fabbione | lamont: i have 12 of them that are general | 06:31 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) heimdal and nas are the 2 in the current logs | 06:31 | |
| fabbione | emacs enigmail libgd2-perl libgd2-noxpm-perl screen wvstreams and zsh | 06:31 |
| fabbione | these are common with debian i think | 06:32 |
| fabbione | the other few are strictly sparc related | 06:32 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ah, you're claiming libgd-gd2-noxpm-perl and libgd-gd2-perl?? cool | 06:32 | |
| fabbione | remember i am checking only main | 06:32 |
| fabbione | lamont: they are just broken from debian too | 06:32 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) would just about need to be amd64 doing the build, I fear. | 06:32 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: ah, ok | 06:32 | |
| fabbione | lamont: no, i am not claiming any of these | 06:32 |
| fabbione | what i mean is that this pkgs fails in ubuntu as they fail in debiqan | 06:33 |
| fabbione | debian | 06:33 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) I mean "claiming that they are X fallout", not claiming them to fix. | 06:33 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ah, ok | 06:33 | |
| fabbione | no no.. all the X fallout that i could spot have been fixed | 06:33 |
| fabbione | but it would be wise to test a rebuild of main | 06:33 |
| fabbione | to be sure i didn't miss any | 06:33 |
| fabbione | and amd64 is the best arch to do so | 06:34 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: heimdal and nas remain | 06:34 | |
| fabbione | are they in main? | 06:34 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) yes | 06:34 | |
| fabbione | ok. | 06:34 |
| fabbione | i will fix them | 06:34 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) both can't find X11/Xauth.h | 06:34 | |
| fabbione | ok that's easy | 06:35 |
| fabbione | i will take care of them | 06:35 |
| fabbione | just go and crash in the bed :-) | 06:35 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: thanks | 06:37 | |
| === lamont decides to imitate a pumpkin | ||
| fabbione | lamont: welcome :-) | 06:38 |
| mako | yum | 06:38 |
| fabbione | lamont: heimdal and nas fixed | 07:00 |
| shaya | isn't macco the place that does collision repair? | 07:03 |
| shaya | or is that aamco? | 07:03 |
| === shaya always gets confused | ||
| jdub | lamont: is there any work going on to replace cyrus-sasl? (or, at least in postfix?) | 07:10 |
| jdub | lamont: hrm, we should find out what postfix patches apple have done | 07:12 |
| shaya | jdub: are the gnomevfs stuff I'm downloading now, good? | 07:14 |
| jdub | probably | 07:15 |
| jdub | samba's probably upgrading too | 07:15 |
| shaya | yes | 07:15 |
| jdub | if you're getting both, you'll be fine | 07:15 |
| Lathiat | Anyone know how to get gdb to ignore a SIGTRAP? it SIGTRAPs on __linuxthreads_create_event() and when i step it kills the program | 07:15 |
| shaya | yay | 07:16 |
| shaya | it works | 07:16 |
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| pitti | Morning, folks! | 07:55 |
| fabbione | damn | 07:58 |
| === fabbione prepares another nas upload | ||
| fabbione | hey pitti | 07:59 |
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| doko | morning all! | 08:40 |
| fabbione | morning doko | 08:43 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) 'morning | 08:43 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: pong | 08:51 | |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: he went to sleep a while ago | 08:53 |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) oh well, he'll be up at some point. | 08:53 | |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: did you have any time to look at the kernel? | 08:58 |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) not yet. Project turn-in deadline friday. | 09:01 | |
| fabbione | no problem :-) | 09:01 |
| fabbione | just curious | 09:01 |
| fabbione | i am starting phase1 today | 09:01 |
| fabbione | we are in a pretty good shape | 09:01 |
| fabbione | only 11 FTBFS | 09:01 |
| fabbione | 2 kernel related | 09:01 |
| fabbione | 1 d-i | 09:02 |
| fabbione | and the others are shared with Debian/Ubuntu | 09:02 |
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| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: awake? | 09:31 | |
| pitti | mdz: oh yes | 09:31 |
| pitti | mdz: welcome back! Had a fine holiday? | 09:31 |
| fabbione | hey mdz! | 09:31 |
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| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) good morning | 09:39 | |
| === mdz needs to sleep soon | ||
| fabbione | mdz: good night :-) | 09:40 |
| === fabbione runs another hoary install | ||
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| fabbione | hey guys | 10:00 |
| mvo_ | hi fabbione | 10:00 |
| pitti | Hi mvo_ | 10:01 |
| mvo_ | hi pitti | 10:02 |
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| daniels | ironwolf: DUDE | 10:03 |
| daniels | ironwolf: please try changing DefaultDepth 24, to DefaultDepth 16 | 10:03 |
| ironwolf | daniels: DefaultDepth ? | 10:05 |
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| ironwolf | daniels: dude! | 10:06 |
| daniels | ironwolf: in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | 10:06 |
| daniels | ironwolf: dude? | 10:06 |
| ironwolf | daniels: don't you mean xorg.conf? | 10:07 |
| daniels | ironwolf: oh, using xorg -- yeah | 10:07 |
| ironwolf | daniels: DefaultDepth and Driver to s3? s3v? ??? | 10:08 |
| daniels | ironwolf: DefaultDepth 16, Driver s3v | 10:08 |
| ironwolf | daniels: I'll let you know tomorrow once he wakes up. :) | 10:09 |
| daniels | rad | 10:09 |
| ironwolf | daniels: dude... | 10:10 |
| daniels | ironwolf: sweet? | 10:10 |
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| daniels | bob2: about as well as your x40 | 10:22 |
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| fabbione | ciao enrico | 10:45 |
| enrico | fabbione: ciao! | 10:49 |
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| seb128 | morning | 11:12 |
| fabbione | hey seb128 | 11:13 |
| fabbione | seb128: when do you think you can do that patch to gdm for me? | 11:13 |
| lupus_ | daniels, how come libxdamage isn't installed by default? | 11:13 |
| daniels | lupus_: because nothing uses it? | 11:14 |
| lupus_ | libxdamage1 that is | 11:14 |
| daniels | having a library that does nothing around is pretty pointless | 11:14 |
| lupus_ | ic :) | 11:14 |
| seb128 | fabbione: can you remember what the patch should do ? | 11:15 |
| fabbione | seb128: sure. Accept an option in the configfile to disable XKeepCrashing | 11:16 |
| fabbione | seb128: both the script and the internal handler for it | 11:16 |
| seb128 | ok, noted on my loooooong todolist | 11:16 |
| fabbione | ok :-) | 11:16 |
| fabbione | seb128: if you think it can take too long, i can give it a shot | 11:17 |
| fabbione | but i had rather prefer someone that knows gnome all the way trough to do it | 11:17 |
| seb128 | should not be really long, I'll give a try soon | 11:17 |
| fabbione | great! | 11:18 |
| seb128 | jdub: I'm not sure than bumping the requirement on libsmbclient was needed (we have decided to not bump it on the debian side) | 11:19 |
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| daniels | rburton: dude! | 11:24 |
| rburton | yo daniels | 11:24 |
| amu | hmm who is our kernel god ? | 11:24 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Herbert Xu | 11:24 | |
| seb128 | hey rburton | 11:25 |
| rburton | hi seb128 | 11:25 |
| seb128 | & amu & Kamion & daniels | 11:25 |
| lupus_ | damn composite is slow with nvidia drivers | 11:25 |
| lupus_ | does it only work with DRI? | 11:26 |
| rburton | lupus_: turned on render acceleration? | 11:26 |
| lupus_ | got nvidia-drivers installed | 11:26 |
| rburton | and did you turn on render acceleration? | 11:26 |
| daniels | Kamion: 'morning | 11:27 |
| daniels | seb128: hey dude | 11:27 |
| lupus_ | if that isn't the default then no | 11:27 |
| daniels | lupus_: you need Option "RenderAccel" with the nVidia drivers, I think | 11:27 |
| daniels | (yay nVidia!) | 11:27 |
| rburton | (beta feature, may break, etc) | 11:27 |
| rburton | (works for me) | 11:27 |
| rburton | daniels: ship Xephyr in ubuntu and i'd love you | 11:28 |
| daniels | rburton: that's otaylor's crack, yah? | 11:28 |
| rburton | nah | 11:28 |
| rburton | it's mallum's crack | 11:28 |
| lupus_ | Option "RenderAccel" "1" | 11:28 |
| lupus_ | like that? | 11:28 |
| rburton | lupus_: i think so, but check the nvidia readme, it documents all the options | 11:28 |
| daniels | oh right, fb-as-root-window | 11:29 |
| daniels | s/fb/another-window/ | 11:29 |
| lupus_ | brb :) | 11:29 |
| rburton | daniels: xnest re-implemented in kdrive. it's rocking. | 11:29 |
| daniels | rburton: dunno, we'd need to fake out the presence of pkg-config'ed xlibs | 11:29 |
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| daniels | consider it on my todo, below otaylor's crack | 11:29 |
| rburton | wow, that unlikely :) | 11:30 |
| daniels | heh | 11:30 |
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| daniels | It turns out that this is a Hard Problem. (Because Xlib i18n is screwed | 11:44 |
| daniels | up in ways that I can't describe in a family bugzilla report). | 11:44 |
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| fabbione | can we kindly move support issues to #ubuntu ? | 11:46 |
| fabbione | that is probably more appropriate than here | 11:46 |
| daniels | fabbione: i presume you mean nvidia? | 11:49 |
| fabbione | clearly | 11:49 |
| daniels | fabbione: btw, I've been submitting stuff upstream | 11:52 |
| fabbione | yeah.. i read some irc logs :-) | 11:54 |
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| daniels | all the XKB stuff has gone upstream, all our ATI patches, a lot of the other-arch stuff | 11:58 |
| daniels | all in all, if they incorporate the stuff I submitted plus linuxwacom.sf.net, our 6.8.2 patchset should be 20,000 lines | 11:59 |
| daniels | down from 50,000 in 6.8.1, and >300,000 in 4.3.0 :) | 12:00 |
| daniels | (that's with linuxwacom.sf.net disappearing, 6.8.x branch disappearing, the patch from patches/ disappearing, and all the patches I submitted disappearing) | 12:01 |
| fabbione | ehhehe | 12:27 |
| fabbione | not too bad | 12:27 |
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| herzi | seb128: there are still build dependencies missing, so i reopened the bug, let me just add all the info i collect until the package got build so i can attach a patch | 12:41 |
| seb128 | herzi: ok, sorry, I've closed it after getting the "g++ is missing" | 12:41 |
| fabbione | herzi: did you install build-essential? | 12:42 |
| fabbione | herzi: and then apt-get build-dep gdm ? | 12:42 |
| seb128 | herzi: /usr/bin/sudo /usr/bin/apt-get --purge $CHROOT_OPTIONS -q -y install libpam0g-dev libgnomeui-dev librsvg2-dev libglade2-dev libwrap0-dev debhelper gettext intltool scrollkeeper libselinux1-dev libattr1-dev libxt-dev libxau-dev libxkbfile-dev | 12:42 |
| seb128 | oups | 12:43 |
| seb128 | herzi: libxau-dev libxkbfile-dev are already in the build-deps | 12:43 |
| herzi | seb128: not in the one that I got with apt-get source gdm | 12:45 |
| seb128 | warty or hoary ? | 12:45 |
| seb128 | which version did you get ? | 12:45 |
| herzi | which is the 2.6.0.3-1ubuntu20 | 12:45 |
| herzi | hoary | 12:45 |
| seb128 | 2.6.0.4-1ubuntu3 is the current version | 12:46 |
| seb128 | your deb-src source is not an hoary one | 12:47 |
| herzi | oh, i sourced warty | 12:47 |
| herzi | sry | 12:47 |
| seb128 | warty has xfree86 not xorg | 12:47 |
| seb128 | so the build-dep are adapted to xfree86 | 12:47 |
| herzi | yeah, i though i has replaced every "warty" by "hoary" but obviosly i did that on the notebook, not on the desktop, so i left the commented one... | 12:48 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:49 |
| herzi | so i can go back to #4037 | 12:50 |
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| pitti | Hi sivang | 01:10 |
| sivang | pitti : Hi, what's up? | 01:10 |
| pitti | sivang: currently PostgreSQL again | 01:10 |
| sivang | pitti : ah, debian lovin' ..;-) | 01:10 |
| pitti | sivang: well, it's Ubuntu supported, too | 01:10 |
| pitti | sivang: and it got a major bug | 01:10 |
| zul | whats wrong with postgresql? | 01:11 |
| pitti | zul: http://bugs.debian.org/282502 | 01:12 |
| pitti | zul: I already fixed some other (easy) bugs | 01:12 |
| pitti | zul: but I cannot reproduce this one | 01:12 |
| pitti | zul: I currently prepare a debug version for joeyh to test | 01:13 |
| zul | ah... | 01:13 |
| herzi | seb128: can you take a quick look at #4037? | 01:14 |
| seb128 | herzi: I've already read it, it's on my list, but I've done anything to turn this build off, dunno for the moment | 01:15 |
| seb128 | herzi: due to a missing build-dep ? | 01:15 |
| herzi | yep | 01:16 |
| herzi | libxdmcp-dev | 01:16 |
| herzi | so it was autodetecting whether to enable xdmcp or not | 01:17 |
| seb128 | herzi: thanks, I'll upload a fixed package in a few min | 01:17 |
| herzi | you might want to add --with-xdmcp to debian/rules | 01:17 |
| herzi | so it will fail definitely without | 01:17 |
| seb128 | ok | 01:17 |
| seb128 | herzi: fixed package uploaded, it should be available soon (time to get it built/in the archive) | 01:25 |
| seb128 | thanks | 01:26 |
| herzi | np | 01:30 |
| === daniels kicks seb128. | ||
| daniels | seb128: ping on #1506 | 01:32 |
| seb128 | daniels: dude, I've 300 bugs on my list | 01:32 |
| daniels | this one's been in your court for like a month :) | 01:32 |
| seb128 | daniels: I don't know anything about xkb, I've no opinion on this | 01:32 |
| daniels | would you be happy to try the patch and see if we break anything? | 01:33 |
| daniels | it's not doing anyone much good bitrotting | 01:33 |
| seb128 | I'm happy to include the patch if you want yes | 01:33 |
| seb128 | is "right tab" different of "alt gr" ? | 01:34 |
| daniels | yes | 01:35 |
| daniels | us-layout keyboards don't have an altgr, they just have two alt keys | 01:35 |
| seb128 | I don't have a "right tab" | 01:35 |
| seb128 | hard to test | 01:35 |
| daniels | i can test it for you if you like | 01:35 |
| seb128 | yes please | 01:35 |
| daniels | er, 'right alt', not 'right tab' | 01:35 |
| daniels | but my right alt is bound to compose anyway ;) | 01:35 |
| seb128 | oups, yes | 01:35 |
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| seb128 | my window's key is bound to compose :) | 01:36 |
| Keybuk | seb128: I use that for Metacity things | 01:36 |
| Keybuk | I couldn't work out whether I ever use the right-shift key, but for safety I decided to leave it | 01:37 |
| Keybuk | I really never use the right-control; so it was safe to rebind :p | 01:37 |
| seb128 | I don't use right-control neither :) | 01:38 |
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| rburton | from the state of my keyboard, i can say i've never actually pressed right control | 01:39 |
| seb128 | hum, why nautilus-cd-burner is not updated in the archive ? Who is supposed to sign the builds ? :) | 01:39 |
| daniels | i've pressed space a lot | 01:39 |
| daniels | just ask Keybuk | 01:39 |
| seb128 | lamont: ? | 01:39 |
| rburton | daniels: i see i press space with my right thumb | 01:39 |
| daniels | rburton: yeah, me too | 01:40 |
| daniels | in the same spot | 01:41 |
| rburton | this is kinda fun | 01:41 |
| rburton | i press 8 more than the other numbers for some reason. and Z and Q are the only letters without wear | 01:41 |
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| daniels | heh | 01:43 |
| pitti | seb128: according to the gnome-vfs2 changelog you now use the hal patch, right? | 01:44 |
| pitti | seb128: did you notice _any_ difference? I didn't | 01:44 |
| rburton | pitti: you should be able to tell in the nautilus "computer" window | 01:45 |
| pitti | rburton: how? | 01:45 |
| pitti | rburton: the icons are all the same | 01:45 |
| pitti | rburton: and the behaviour of the mounted drive applets did not change | 01:46 |
| rburton | hm, maybe that patch didn't get in | 01:46 |
| rburton | is it really linking to hal ;) | 01:46 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) the changing of the icons depends on the way you compile hal support | 01:46 | |
| pitti | rburton: it definitively is in the source package | 01:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: me neither | 01:46 |
| seb128 | jamesh: ping ? | 01:47 |
| pitti | seb128: I hoped it would resolve the "umount entire drive instead of partitions" issue | 01:47 |
| pitti | seb128: and other bugs | 01:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: have you read #3666 ? | 01:47 |
| pitti | seb128: indeed, that's the bug I was aiming at | 01:48 |
| pitti | seb128: IIRC jamesh said something about resolving this with the hal patch | 01:48 |
| seb128 | Trying patch debian/patches/06_hal.patch at level 0...success. | 01:50 |
| seb128 | in the build log | 01:50 |
| pitti | seb128: I saw that the patch is in, but I do not notice it | 01:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: arg | 01:51 |
| pitti | seb128: "notice" == behaviour did not change | 01:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: --with-hal missing in the configure options | 01:51 |
| pitti | seb128: ah | 01:51 |
| seb128 | I'm rebuilding it | 01:52 |
| pitti | seb128: I'm currnently debugging another g-vfs issue, but it could be solved with the hal patch | 01:52 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 01:52 |
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| seb128 | np | 01:52 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: is libzvt not used anymore? | 01:54 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: going to demote: xdmx, xfree86-common, xserver-xfree86, xserver-xfree86-dbg ... ok? | 01:55 | |
| herzi | elmo: it's supposed to be deprecated by vte | 01:55 |
| fabbione | elmo: no | 01:55 |
| fabbione | elmo: only xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xfree86-dbg | 01:55 |
| seb128 | elmo: why ? | 01:55 |
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| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: please add the other two to the appropriate seed then | 01:55 | |
| herzi | seb128: i might have one more for gnomevfs, but i'm compiling to check now | 01:55 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: because nothing seems to depend on it anymore, so my scripts want to demote it to universe | 01:56 | |
| seb128 | herzi: what kind of change ? | 01:56 |
| fabbione | elmo: i already filed a bug on daniels :-)))) | 01:56 |
| fabbione | elmo: he is our Xorg bitch^Wguy now ;) | 01:56 |
| daniels | yeah, I've got the universe stuff on my things to do list | 01:56 |
| seb128 | elmo: oh, it should be fine in universe. I'll check to be sure and let you know | 01:56 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: thanks | 01:57 | |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione/daniels: ok | 01:57 | |
| fabbione | elmo, daniels: nothing will never ever depend on Xdmx | 01:57 |
| fabbione | elmo: it's a server :-) | 01:57 |
| fabbione | daniels: i don't mind Xdmx in universe, up to you | 01:57 |
| herzi | seb128: a missing module | 01:58 |
| seb128 | herzi: smb ? | 01:58 |
| herzi | tar | 01:58 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) is libgnome-perl really meant to be in supported? | 01:58 | |
| herzi | guess it's only missing in some file list | 01:58 |
| seb128 | herzi: ok, it has been removed on purpose | 01:58 |
| fabbione | elmo: for xfree86 you can demote also the source to universe | 01:58 |
| fabbione | elmo: the last upload was done to generate only the 2 servers and "kill" the other packages | 01:59 |
| herzi | seb128: can you tell me which purpose? | 01:59 |
| seb128 | gnome-vfs2 (2.6.1.1-2) experimental; urgency=low | 01:59 |
| seb128 | * debian/rules: | 01:59 |
| seb128 | + Remove support for cdda, extfs, nntp, tar and vfs-pipe methods, | 01:59 |
| seb128 | all broken. Accidentally fixes crash when trying tar:// URIs | 01:59 |
| seb128 | (closes: #157322). | 01:59 |
| === herzi would love to be able to use file:///foo.tar.bz2#bzip2#tar. | ||
| seb128 | herzi: have you already used it, does it work fine ? | 02:00 |
| herzi | will check it | 02:00 |
| seb128 | it used to not work fine | 02:01 |
| seb128 | and nobody has fixed it afaik | 02:01 |
| herzi | obviously we need a better infrastructure to split uri-modules (sftp, http, etc.) from chain-modules (tar, bzip2, gzip, etc.) | 02:02 |
| herzi | so noone can try tar:/// | 02:02 |
| herzi | will write to gnome-vfs list | 02:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 02:04 |
| seb128 | perhaps gnome-vfs2 should be splitted | 02:04 |
| seb128 | (ueah, it already used to be splitted) | 02:05 |
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| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) do we care about the gnome frontend to debconf? | 02:07 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: yeah, synaptic invokes it | 02:08 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) (I believe) | 02:08 | |
| mvo_ | yes | 02:08 |
| (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) meh, ok | 02:08 | |
| pitti | seb128: I recompiled gvfs with --with-hal, but still don't notice any difference :-( | 02:08 |
| daniels | elmo: my 'meh' filter just exploded | 02:08 |
| === fabbione imagines elmo with a big vacuumclenear on top of archive.u.c | ||
| herzi | seb128: i've got something to tell you in private (no need to flood the chan) | 02:09 |
| herzi | is that okay? | 02:10 |
| seb128 | pitti: it doesn't build here | 02:10 |
| seb128 | herzi: sure | 02:10 |
| pitti | seb128: oops, did fine for me. Odd... | 02:10 |
| seb128 | gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c:42:28: libhal-storage.h: No such file or directory | 02:10 |
| seb128 | gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c:53: error: parse error before "HalStoragePolicy" | 02:10 |
| pitti | ah | 02:11 |
| pitti | seb128: there's probably a missing build-dep | 02:11 |
| pitti | seb128: libhal-storage-dev | 02:11 |
| seb128 | yep | 02:11 |
| seb128 | the configure is broken so :p | 02:11 |
| pitti | seb128: the hal patch probably doesn't patch configure.ac :) | 02:12 |
| seb128 | in fact it does, but since we don't run the auto* ... | 02:13 |
| pitti | ah | 02:13 |
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| seb128 | grumpf | 02:15 |
| seb128 | /home/seb128/boulot/paquets/vfs/gnome-vfs2-2.8.3/libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c:292: undefined reference to `hal_storage_policy_new' | 02:15 |
| seb128 | oups | 02:15 |
| seb128 | libgnomevfs/gnome-vfs-hal-mounts.c:293: undefined reference to `hal_storage_policy_set_icon_mapping' | 02:15 |
| seb128 | pitti: you have just added the --enable-hal ? | 02:16 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, I did --with-hal | 02:16 |
| seb128 | ok, so you don't have it | 02:16 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks, I try again | 02:16 |
| pitti | seb128: gosh, this requires another full recompile... | 02:17 |
| seb128 | let me know if you get it building correctly | 02:17 |
| seb128 | I'll get something to eat, I'm starving | 02:17 |
| pitti | seb128: please do that | 02:17 |
| pitti | seb128: I try to build it in the meantime | 02:17 |
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| lupus_ | networkmanager seems to be working noz | 02:19 |
| lupus_ | after last hal upgrade | 02:19 |
| pitti | lupus_: sounds good :) | 02:20 |
| pitti | sjoerd: still here? | 02:23 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) i hate transatlantic flights | 02:24 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: yeah | 02:24 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: pmount itself works fine if the mount point is already present | 02:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: so I assume you mean pmount-hal? | 02:24 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) if that's what does the choosing stuff | 02:25 | |
| pitti | yes | 02:25 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: didn't know where exactly you implemented it :) | 02:25 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: hmm, now I have to implement the mount point checking again in shell... | 02:25 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) why did you implement it in pmount-hal and not in pmount itself ? | 02:26 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) it does make sense for pmount too or ? | 02:26 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: because pmount itself does not _choose_ a mountpoint | 02:26 |
| pitti | sjoerd: you either give it a label or not | 02:26 |
| pitti | sjoerd: pmount will accept valid mount points and reject invalid ones | 02:27 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) ah | 02:27 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: choosing the mount point name is done by looking at the HAL properties | 02:27 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) i thought you changed that, that the label was ``just'' a suggestion | 02:27 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: it is | 02:27 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but only if pmount falls back to mount | 02:27 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) ah | 02:27 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: it is still used if pmount does not fall back | 02:27 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) why not also regard it as a suggestion when not falling back ? | 02:28 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: because then you would end up mounting it as /media/sda1 again | 02:29 |
| pitti | I regard guessing new mount points in pmount proper bad | 02:30 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) not necessarily | 02:30 | |
| pitti | pmount should be predictable | 02:30 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) you, but with the falling back to fstab it's already not predictable | 02:30 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) s/you/yeah/ | 02:30 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) if you want to implement the mounpoint checking in pmount-hal too, that's just fine with me :) | 02:31 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) just seems cleaner and easier to do it in pmount itself | 02:31 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: you mean the mount point enumeration? | 02:31 |
| pitti | sjoerd: hmm, I'm not sure about that | 02:31 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) yes | 02:31 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) when not doing the suggested one, at least take the suggestion into account seems nice | 02:33 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pmount already isn't predictable anymore, because you fall back to mount sometimes.. so | 02:33 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: just think about it and tell why it's a bad idea sometime later :) | 02:34 | |
| === sjoerd goes on reading school stuff | ||
| pitti | sjoerd: the mount point behaviour was predictable until I changed it to be ignored for mount fallback | 02:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: remember who wanted that feature? :) | 02:35 |
| === sjoerd whistles | ||
| pitti | sjoerd: btw, what was this good for in the first place? | 02:35 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) you agreed to it btw :) | 02:35 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: of course I did | 02:35 |
| pitti | sjoerd: but my mind is a sieve | 02:36 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) because if that feature isn't there, pmount-hal or g-v-m must search the device in fstab | 02:36 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) and if it's in there not pass a label to pmount | 02:36 | |
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| pitti | ah | 02:36 |
| === pitti remembers | ||
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) my suggestion was to just change the label to a ``suggestion'', which fits in this model | 02:37 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) for some reason i always remember the stupid details ;) | 02:39 | |
| pitti | nice to have somebody who does | 02:39 |
| herzi | seb128: thanks for the gdm fix, no I can happily log into my server :) | 02:42 |
| seb128 | you're welcome ;-) | 02:43 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, runnin the autogen.sh fixes the issue | 02:43 |
| pitti | seb128: the problem is that LIBGNOMEVFSDAEMON_LIBS does not include -lhal-storage | 02:44 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, does it? | 02:44 |
| seb128 | yes | 02:44 |
| pitti | seb128: I just tried autoreconf, which fails | 02:44 |
| pitti | nice | 02:44 |
| fabbione | this is interesting | 02:45 |
| fabbione | daniels: you around? | 02:46 |
| daniels | sup | 02:46 |
| fabbione | daniels: i binded an xserver kbd and mouse to /dev/null | 02:46 |
| fabbione | the DPMS turned off the screen | 02:46 |
| daniels | yeah | 02:46 |
| fabbione | all of a sudden it woke up again | 02:47 |
| daniels | er yeah, that's probably the bug I've fixed | 02:47 |
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| fabbione | like if /dev/null was pushing data | 02:47 |
| fabbione | but not the real server with real kbd and mouse | 02:47 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: have you fixed the dpms randomly blanking thing yet? | 02:48 | |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) and if not, why not? | 02:48 | |
| fabbione | hey thom | 02:49 |
| fabbione | aren't you supposed to be in holidays? | 02:49 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) hello | 02:49 | |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) got back an hour ago | 02:49 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) hi thom | 02:49 | |
| fabbione | thom: did you have fun? | 02:50 |
| pitti | Welcome back, thom | 02:50 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: lots, thanks | 02:50 | |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) yo thom | 02:50 | |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) and i didn't lose all my money in vegas, either | 02:50 | |
| daniels | thom! | 02:50 |
| fabbione | thom: ehehhe | 02:50 |
| daniels | thom: already fixed | 02:50 |
| fabbione | thom: isn't time to fix thunderbird? | 02:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, much better :) | 02:50 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: eh? | 02:50 | |
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| fabbione | thom: you are back for an entire hour and still no uploads :-) | 02:50 |
| pitti | seb128: does it actually make a difference now? | 02:51 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: it's a mozilla product, it's broken inherently | 02:51 | |
| fabbione | thom: thunderbird keeps crashing on me | 02:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: with the patch I've the drive capacity and better names | 02:51 |
| fabbione | thom: ehehhe | 02:51 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: dude, i have 4500 messages in my inbox | 02:51 | |
| seb128 | pitti: in computer:/// | 02:51 |
| === Mithrandir whacks fabbione gently | ||
| fabbione | thom: only? | 02:51 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: my INBOX. my mail is filtered | 02:51 | |
| pitti | seb128: any difference in the drive applet? | 02:51 |
| fabbione | thom: dude.. take your time as usual :P | 02:51 |
| pitti | seb128: can you eject entire devices now? | 02:51 |
| fabbione | thom: just teasing you... | 02:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've not add time to test yet, I'll upload the package first | 02:51 |
| seb128 | s/add/had/ | 02:52 |
| pitti | seb128: fine, give it to us! : | 02:52 |
| === thom sticks his tongue out at fabi | ||
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) o | 02:52 | |
| pitti | seb128: s/:/:)/ | 02:52 |
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| pitti | Hi sabdfl, how are you | 02:52 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) so what excitement have i missed? (if any ;P ) | 02:52 | |
| === fabbione grabs thom's tongue with the fingers and start pulling thom around :P | ||
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) thom: you missed scott cooking up a storm | 02:52 | |
| sabdfl | pitti: well thanks! | 02:53 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) that's been the most exciting thing all week | 02:53 | |
| daniels | thom: you missed a transfer of X maintainership | 02:53 |
| fabbione | hey sabdfl | 02:53 |
| sabdfl | fabbione! | 02:53 |
| pitti | thom: and you might have missed X.org :) | 02:53 |
| daniels | thom: and the discovery of a hotel that serves muffins for breakfast | 02:53 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: no, i've got xorg | 02:53 | |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) :-) | 02:53 | |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) man | 02:53 | |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: did you firebomb it? | 02:53 | |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) that was the most awesome discovery ever | 02:53 | |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) that is the only correct response for people claiming muffins are a breakfast product | 02:54 | |
| zul | gday | 02:54 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) they also serve cold ham as a breakfast product | 02:54 | |
| daniels | thom: i've already removed the HorizSync/VertRefresh stuff, fixed DPMS, pushed ~25,000 lines of patches upstream, grabbed many other fixes (including the patch for every Radeon problem, ever), and yeah | 02:54 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) that's far wronger | 02:54 | |
| pitti | thom: what's wrong with muffins for breakfast? | 02:54 |
| daniels | thom: oh, I thought you meant X, not the K+K :) | 02:54 |
| fabbione | daniels: removed what? | 02:54 |
| daniels | fabbione: HorizSync/VertRefresh | 02:55 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: english people don't like breakfast foods that aren't fried and/or made of intestines | 02:55 | |
| fabbione | daniels: dude.. you are on pure crack | 02:55 |
| daniels | fabbione: crack is shiny | 02:55 |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: so my radeon will now make coffee and run emacs? | 02:55 | |
| fabbione | daniels: it's not going to work | 02:55 |
| daniels | fabbione: it so will -- just watch | 02:55 |
| pitti | bob2: gar, English food... nevermind | 02:55 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: no, I said it *fixed* problems, not created them | 02:55 |
| fabbione | daniels: i will watch | 02:56 |
| daniels | fabbione: (the problems we were having were from iBooks IIRC, and I have the patch to fix that from benh) | 02:56 |
| daniels | if it's wrong, I will go back grovelling to you | 02:56 |
| fabbione | but i also remember very well why we readded it | 02:56 |
| Keybuk | bob2: the cold ham is for the europeans who bitch if they get served blood and burnt bits steeped in lard | 02:57 |
| daniels | and the muffins are for people who resemble Simpsons characters | 02:57 |
| Keybuk | which, as all Englishmen know, is what you need to start off your day | 02:57 |
| fabbione | daniels: no they were a but more general.. anyway.. your call | 02:57 |
| daniels | the croissants are a sweet deal though | 02:58 |
| daniels | fabbione: we'll find out | 02:59 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: can't imagine why they complain about that! | 02:59 | |
| === thom tickles Keybuk | ||
| fabbione | daniels: M debian/patches/080_pci_isolate_device_feature.diff | 02:59 |
| fabbione | is that just a rediff? | 02:59 |
| daniels | yah | 02:59 |
| daniels | it's -3 offset IIRC | 02:59 |
| Keybuk | thom: good trip? | 02:59 |
| fabbione | * debian/patches/020_r128_remove_interrupt_handler.diff: | 02:59 |
| fabbione | there is no 020.. it's 025 | 02:59 |
| (thom/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: aye, danke | 02:59 | |
| daniels | pinhead: agh, thought I fixed that | 02:59 |
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| lifeless | mjg59: ping | 03:02 |
| pinhead | grrrr | 03:02 |
| pinhead | got kicked out by the server | 03:02 |
| fabbione | daniels: please keep one blank line between changelog entries | 03:03 |
| daniels | bah | 03:03 |
| fabbione | that thing is unreadable | 03:03 |
| daniels | i'm playing with changelog style to see how it works out | 03:03 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) that's weird; udev seems to be looking for a device symlink corresponding to sysfs' /class/net/eth0, while it's blatantly obvious that there won't be one because it's a *network interface* | 03:04 | |
| Keybuk | Kamion: hmm? | 03:06 |
| Keybuk | it should just check for a /sys/.../dev file and make that device | 03:07 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) for a network interface? what device node would that be? | 03:08 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) (it's wait_for_sysfs, anyway) | 03:08 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seems harmless though, I'm just watching all the logs in a paranoid way 'cos I'm sure there are things I've got wrong | 03:08 | |
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| robtaylor | sabdfl: mdz: is there any particular reason that seb128 cant package 2.10 in the alioth svn repository? | 03:14 |
| seb128 | robtaylor: I've not said I can't package 2.10 in the SVN, I'm free to do whatever I want in my non-working time | 03:15 |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: yes, because it's work i'm funding for ubuntu, and needs to go out there first | 03:15 |
| robtaylor | but surely packaing gnome for ubuntu and packaging gnoem for debian is 98% the same task??! | 03:15 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: but its open source. by upsxtreaming early you save money later by noot having to propagate patches | 03:16 |
| robtaylor | later | 03:16 |
| sabdfl | upstreaming? | 03:16 |
| sabdfl | gnome is upstream | 03:16 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: upstream of ubuntu is debian | 03:16 |
| rburton | robtaylor: i don't know about you, but the first thing i did when i upgraded my packages in debian was to take all of seb's patches | 03:16 |
| robtaylor | rburton: qwell exatcly | 03:17 |
| robtaylor | why have a silly extra step? | 03:17 |
| rburton | as a lot of those patches were totally useless in debian when they were created | 03:17 |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: there's always an extra mental cost to doing something in two places, which is why i ask our guys to do the work in ubuntu and publish all the patches immediately | 03:17 |
| sabdfl | upstream can take them, but i'm not going to do the work on both sides | 03:17 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: i'm not suggesting do it in 23 places | 03:17 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: thats what happend right noe | 03:18 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: i'm saying make it happen in *one* place | 03:18 |
| sabdfl | sure. join seb ;-) | 03:18 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: that waht i'm asking to do | 03:18 |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: we're bring up a revision control system, would that make it easier for you to collaborate with seb? | 03:19 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: as seb128 does all this work in a separate tree to the rest of us, who are also doing the same task...,. | 03:19 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: ideally the gnome-team and ubuntu shoudl be working in the same repo. we're doing the same task | 03:19 |
| sabdfl | i'm happy for you guys to work with seb, in our revision control system | 03:19 |
| sabdfl | the system we are building should make it easy for that collaboration to work well | 03:20 |
| robtaylor | this is what i'm pushing for here... | 03:20 |
| robtaylor | i sdo sasy that alreasy t | 03:21 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) (I thought part of the point was that it didn't have to be *our* revision control system ... :-) ) | 03:21 | |
| azeem | robtaylor: you should push for that (using Canonical's vcs) at the other side, i.e. Debian | 03:21 |
| robtaylor | if it works better.. | 03:21 |
| robtaylor | the isxsue i see *right now* is taht seb128 is pacaking 2.9 on his own | 03:22 |
| robtaylor | when there are other people also intested in debian 2.9 pacakges | 03:22 |
| robtaylor | (which of course would be pretty damm similar to ubuntu 2.9 packages) | 03:22 |
| seb128 | they can use them | 03:22 |
| azeem | robtaylor: every guy doing work for Debian should be interested in releasing Sarge, really | 03:23 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: thats not the point... | 03:23 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) robtaylor: s/sabdfl/seb128/? | 03:23 | |
| robtaylor | Kamion: oops, yes ;) | 03:23 |
| robtaylor | its the lack of full FOSS process usage that's irritating me .... | 03:24 |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: there's no lack of foss process usage | 03:24 |
| sabdfl | we're publishing all patches immediately | 03:24 |
| sabdfl | even linking to them from the debian bts | 03:24 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: but there's already a repo for the gnome packaing | 03:25 |
| robtaylor | you dont need to publish patches | 03:25 |
| sabdfl | the ubuntu packages need ubuntu branding, ubuntu docs, ubuntu icon preferences etc | 03:25 |
| sabdfl | since we're funding the work, i'd like the focus to be on getting it done that way | 03:26 |
| sabdfl | i'm very happy that the work also benefits debian | 03:26 |
| sabdfl | our panel is different, we make different choices about defaults and preferences and desktops | 03:26 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: i'm not comaplaing about debain not benifiting from you... i'm complaining about you not benifiting from debain | 03:26 |
| sabdfl | then pitch in and help seb ;-) | 03:27 |
| azeem | sabdfl: this is a technical problem one could solve by e.g. changing the patching systems to only apply *ubuntu* patches on ubuntu, and vice-versa | 03:27 |
| azeem | that was supposed to be wildcards, not bold text, btw | 03:27 |
| sabdfl | i think we are close to a first internal release of a revision control system that will let us do this | 03:28 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: i agree that a good vcs is important to doing this well | 03:28 |
| robtaylor | i gues what i wean to see is gnometeam and seb working together in systems both can see all the code.. | 03:29 |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: we are working on a system like that, but it will still be a while before it's ready | 03:30 |
| sabdfl | till then, the best way i can think of is to ask the team to publish their patches and ntoe them in the debian bts | 03:30 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: hmm, i think in gernealy that sounds wrong, but for this case that was wrong as there was alreasy existing team and source control | 03:31 |
| robtaylor | oops | 03:31 |
| robtaylor | i mean in general that sounds right =) | 03:31 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it works better for packages where we aren't leaping so far ahead of Debian unstable | 03:31 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) so where the patches are actually patches rather than "here, replace this enormous thing with this other enormous thing" | 03:32 | |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: i'm hoping a team will form around seb to help him | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: so would the Debian GNOME team happily give commit access to any Ubuntu developer who might apply patches to our GNOME packages? | 03:32 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: but there alreasy is a team! | 03:32 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: yep | 03:32 |
| robtaylor | as far as i know | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: so if some guy in #ubuntu-devel asks, you'd give him an account today? | 03:33 |
| Keybuk | because I doubt that very much | 03:33 |
| === daniels notes that there is still much work to be done for GNOME for sarge, and it's not 2.9. | ||
| Keybuk | it's just a co-incidence that seb happens to be on "both teams" | 03:33 |
| azeem | Keybuk: there are a couple of people in the Debian GNOME team which are not DDs | 03:33 |
| azeem | it's part of the Alioth success story | 03:33 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: (they gave me an account just becasue i said 'hey can i package gtk+2.4?' ) | 03:33 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: re debootstrapability of ia64, can we make sure that germinate does the right thing for it first and then debootstrap can be updated automatically? | 03:33 | |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: what about (e.g.) people packaging 2.9 for Fedora ? | 03:34 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: well, somethings it might well make sense to collaborate on. but realistsically the systems are so different theres unlikely to be much common work | 03:34 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: for gnome-print stuff i try to stay current with colin walters work | 03:35 |
| Keybuk | the idea of Ubuntu stamping on (and relying on) another distribution's monolithic repository unnerves me | 03:35 |
| robtaylor | Kamion: it isnt monolithic - thats what branches are for =) | 03:35 |
| robtaylor | s/Kamion/Keybuk | 03:36 |
| === robtaylor spanks his tab key | ||
| Keybuk | robtaylor: Subversion makes it *harder* than just applying patches you can get from HTTP | 03:36 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: true, and i agree arch is better for managing these kind of processes | 03:36 |
| azeem | Keybuk: HTTP doesn't make it particularly easy to find the patches in the first place, though | 03:36 |
| robtaylor | but you need to weigh that up against splitting an existing community | 03:37 |
| Keybuk | why is it splitting it? | 03:37 |
| sabdfl | robtaylor: we're trying to create a framework where separate communities can collaborate effectively | 03:37 |
| sabdfl | saying "do it all in my codebase" doesn't recognise that different groups *want* to do somethings differently | 03:37 |
| sabdfl | what we need is to make sure that work can easily move around | 03:38 |
| robtaylor | better would have been for ubuntu to be a branch in svn for warty and hoary, and then seb to have bursuaded us all that moving to the new vcs was a good idea, and mopving the repo as a whole | 03:38 |
| sabdfl | i'm trying to get this right for much more than debian-ubuntu, where it's relatively easy | 03:38 |
| sabdfl | we have to get it right for gentoo-ubuntu and fedora-ubuntu too | 03:38 |
| sabdfl | and that's... challenging ;-) | 03:38 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: i'm in full agreement with your sentiments =) | 03:38 |
| sabdfl | so i can appreciate where you're coming from | 03:38 |
| sabdfl | and i appreciate your concern that we're not getting the benefit of the debian team's work | 03:39 |
| sabdfl | i think seb is doing an amazing job, and i really hope others step up to help him do it even better | 03:39 |
| sabdfl | but i'm going to ask him to keep at it the way we are currently structured | 03:39 |
| sabdfl | now... i need to write some more code | 03:39 |
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| robtaylor | =) | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: there's a scary line with it all though -- "work in our repository" is only semantically different from "work in our archive" | 03:40 |
| Keybuk | you could just as easily argue Ubuntu should upload all of its packages into Debian's archive, NMUing where appropriate | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | and, imo, that would be a very very bad thing | 03:41 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: the difference is, its very hard to branch an archive | 03:41 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: it's very hard to properly branch a CVS or Subversion repository | 03:42 |
| azeem | Keybuk: we're talking about a strict subset of Debian where most people are pro-Ubuntu anyway | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | azeem: that's not actually the issue with it | 03:42 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: not really | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | the most you can do with svn is have side-by-side copies | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | and I don't see the benefit from doing that | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't provide any useful history between the two (a copy breaks history in svn) | 03:44 |
| Keybuk | it doesn't provide any help merging changes between the two (you diff and apply) | 03:44 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: i agree svn isnt good enough. and arch is a much better vcs architecture (moduleo ui, etc) =) | 03:44 |
| Keybuk | so it'd be an entirely political move, only | 03:44 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: hmm, so would what i'm suggesteing be blessed if gnome-team used an arch repo? | 03:48 |
| Keybuk | at least then you have the advantage that the repositories can be merged relatively easily, can be stored on separate machines and only related via history, etc. | 03:50 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: this came up becasue kov was aslking if he should package gtk2.5.x for experimental | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | I still think you'd then simply have the problem that seb is paid full time to package gnome, so can't wait a week for someone else who we're not paying to do to the work *shrug* | 03:50 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: yeah, no probs with that. why is taht a problem? | 03:51 |
| robtaylor | i'm paid to work on openembedded, if other people dont do the work, i do it, no big deal | 03:51 |
| Keybuk | so random question, why haven't Debian taken the Ubuntu 2.9 packages? rather than packaging them separately themselves? | 03:52 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: becasue seb desnt want to do that, as far as i can tell | 03:52 |
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| mojo | hi all fellow developers | 03:54 |
| mojo | can u guys give me some help on RealPlayer compiling? | 03:54 |
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| mojo | RealPlayer requires oggvorbisssdk | 03:54 |
| mojo | what packages do I need to install? | 03:54 |
| rburton | robtaylor: surely you mean "seb is busy with 2.8 in sarge so isn't putting 2.9 into experimental, but the patches are available so it could be done by someone else" | 03:55 |
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| robtaylor | Keybuk: basically i want to be able to 1) see what work seb is doing on libgnomeprint/ui and 2) easily pul that into the 'debian' repo | 03:56 |
| === sid77 ciao | ||
| Keybuk | robtaylor: apt-get source libgnomeprint, apt-get source libgnomeprintui, etc. | 03:56 |
| Keybuk | I don't think Subversion makes this *any* easier for you | 03:56 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: i want to see cheking logs | 03:56 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: being able to see the work does! | 03:57 |
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| Keybuk | I don't think seb even works in a revision control system at the moment | 03:57 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: exactly! | 03:57 |
| Keybuk | we are working on it for the entire hoary team | 03:57 |
| rburton | seb128: you don't even have a local svn! :) | 03:57 |
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| robtaylor | Keybuk: at elast witha branch i can keepup to date with what hes going, and if i'm in agreement, i can jyust copy accorss. if i'm not, then we can talk about it | 03:58 |
| robtaylor | at the meoment, i just have NO IDEA what work is ebing done | 03:58 |
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| seb128 | rburton: nop :p | 04:00 |
| seb128 | robtaylor: apt-get source package and read the changelog | 04:00 |
| robtaylor | seb128: ok | 04:00 |
| seb128 | if a patch is good for debian I ping you guys about it or open a bug in the BTS | 04:00 |
| robtaylor | thats a right royal pain in the ass | 04:00 |
| robtaylor | seb128: i'm sure most of wht you do is good for debian | 04:01 |
| robtaylor | its looks like the same job to me | 04:01 |
| robtaylor | modulo a couple of backdrops =) | 04:01 |
| seb128 | so what's the problem ? | 04:01 |
| robtaylor | because we're doing the same job separately .. | 04:01 |
| robtaylor | and this is FOSS . thatt isnt supposed to heppen | 04:01 |
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| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: copies don't break history in svn? | 04:02 | |
| seb128 | robtaylor: we are not, 2.9/2.5 is not packaged in debian for the moment | 04:02 |
| seb128 | robtaylor: when it'll be you just have to pick my changes and keep what you want | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: diff across one | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | svn commit file | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | svn copy file new-file | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | svn commit new-file | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | than diff from the file before the first commit to after the second commit | 04:04 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: AIUI that's a client-side problem, not a server-side problem, and it's fixed in 1.1 | 04:04 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) the history of the copy is stored in the repository | 04:04 | |
| Keybuk | it's broken in 1.0.9 at least | 04:05 |
| === Keybuk just checked it was still broken | ||
| robtaylor | suffice to say. as far as i can see it costs noone anything dfor seb to workin svn rather than on his local harddisk | 04:05 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) 1.1 > 1.0.9 | 04:05 | |
| robtaylor | and you gain and i gain | 04:05 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it required an API change to fix it, I believe, and was therefore strictly a 1.1 thing | 04:05 | |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: it costs noone anything for you to look at what's seb's done by getting the packages either | 04:05 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: its one way | 04:05 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: see http://subversion.tigris.org/svn_1.1_releasenotes.html under "Client follows renames" | 04:06 | |
| Keybuk | Kamion: that's a different bug! | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | rename != copy | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | that was just the client being thick and not resolving the right url for the history | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | but a copy is a delete and an add | 04:06 |
| Keybuk | so it sees the diff as the removal of the entire file, and adding an entire new one | 04:06 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: dude, read the URL | 04:06 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it says "copies" under the headline | 04:07 | |
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| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) "Subversion makes a lot of noise about the way branches (copies) of files and directories maintain historical connections to their source, but [...] " | 04:07 | |
| sabdfl | we're working hard on gnu arch (see bazaar.canonical.com) which i hope will let us make collaboration very easy | 04:07 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: seb loses any inut i have on his work | 04:07 |
| robtaylor | s/inut/input | 04:07 |
| robtaylor | sabdfl: i know. but its a way off | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | is good that they've fixed it | 04:07 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: no he doesn't, not if he checks your repository | 04:08 |
| robtaylor | right now theres a good enough solution, and its not being used | 04:08 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: will have to test when 1.1 gets packaged -- will be good if they've fixed that | 04:08 |
| Keybuk | it's the single thing that drove me away from svn | 04:08 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: there no way i can easliy keep up to date with his work and keep an eye on it and make sure its sane | 04:09 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) I'm not sure offhand whether getting that feature requires a new server as well; I suppose I could try fairly easily at some point | 04:09 | |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: apt-getting and diffing sourcetrees every day isn't my idea of fun | 04:09 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: I disagree your solution is good enough | 04:09 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: well its better than your *current* solition | 04:10 |
| Keybuk | robtaylor: we're working on our solution for it though | 04:10 |
| robtaylor | Keybuk: i know | 04:10 |
| robtaylor | i just want soemthing i can use for 2.10 | 04:11 |
| robtaylor | and it really doenst seem much to ask | 04:11 |
| robtaylor | sigh. ah well . ist apt-get and diff for me | 04:12 |
| robtaylor | must go do some work | 04:12 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) moo | 04:12 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: was wondering what/where hoary template was used... | 04:13 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: pong | 04:13 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) morning Mithrandir | 04:13 | |
| eruin | someone filed a bug on nautilus crashing on startup already? | 04:13 |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) hi lamont | 04:13 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) definitively not morning any more, as it's almost pitch dark outside, though | 04:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: required-base.py | 04:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: hoary.* are glued together to make hoary | 04:14 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: although hoary.buildd is separate, yes> | 04:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: I generate hoary.base automatically from germinate output | 04:14 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ? | 04:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: yep | 04:14 | |
| === lamont spews a little | ||
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + "ia64") | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + base="$base libreadline4 libreadline5" | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + required="$(subst_package "libc6" "libc6.1" "$required")" | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + base="$(subst_package "libc6-dev" "libc6.1-dev" "$base")" | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + base="$(without_package "ltrace" "$base")" | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + LIBC6="libc6.1" | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + ;; | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that's the current (working) version. | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) - ln -s mawk $TARGET/usr/bin/awk | 04:16 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) + ln -sf mawk $TARGET/usr/bin/awk | 04:16 | |
| seb128 | robtaylor: we already managed 2.8 fine, no reason to worry for 2.10 | 04:16 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) and that change should have been added a million years ago | 04:16 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: that subst_package should not be necessary | 04:17 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: pmount 0.4.3 released upstream and to Debian | 04:17 |
| pitti | sjoerd: btw, did you get the commit mails? | 04:17 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: what I'd prefer is for hoary.base and hoary.overrides to list the correct packages for ia64, and then required-base.py will work it out for itself | 04:17 | |
| robtaylor | seb128: ok | 04:17 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: ok | 04:18 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) are all the base packages for ia64 uploaded? | 04:18 | |
| === Kamion experiments | ||
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: all bug gcc-3.4 :( | 04:18 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) presumably that rather takes out everything else :) | 04:18 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) or raher, libgcc1 | 04:18 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) well, people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/ia64/stage2/libgcc1_3.4.2-2ubuntu1_ia64.deb is available for testing purposes | 04:19 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) one minor issue is that doing this the normal way will result in libc6 being unpacked/configured last rather than somewhere in the middle | 04:19 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) so may have to do some frobbing there | 04:19 | |
| robtaylor | seb128: next week i'll finally be able to work on stuff again, and i know for gnome-print there's some big changes planned | 04:20 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) basically I was trying to get away from the manually-maintained-debootstrap-script thing because it was too error-prone with germinate output changing every couple of days | 04:20 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: ah you went for magic in pmount-hal :) | 04:21 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: yes, sorry, but I really like it more that way | 04:21 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: works for me, so no problem | 04:22 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: I want to do such stuff entirely as non-root | 04:22 |
| pitti | sjoerd: and it's a bit easier in sh :) | 04:22 |
| pitti | sjoerd: works fine for me, too | 04:22 |
| seb128 | robtaylor: have you planned to include redhat changes, hal stuff, etc ? :) | 04:22 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: hrm if /media/blabla is a symlink to dir ? what happens then | 04:22 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: -d will be true for symlinks to dirs | 04:23 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: can we seed your bootloader and stuff? | 04:23 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) probably should, eh? | 04:23 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: but that dir won't turn up in the mount list | 04:23 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: efibootmgr | 04:24 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: oh, right, mount resolves symlinks | 04:24 |
| robtaylor | seb128: definitly :) i'll need to chat to kenshi muto as cups will need the dbus patch adding | 04:24 |
| seb128 | ok, rock :) | 04:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: well, if you manage to screw up /media that far... | 04:24 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) true | 04:24 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: pmount will fail to mount it | 04:24 |
| pitti | sjoerd: I can add symlink resolution in the next version, however | 04:25 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: that's all? | 04:25 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: this should be necessary only for grepping the mount output AFAICS | 04:25 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: (debootstrap shouldn't install that, of course) | 04:25 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: yeah | 04:26 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: is elilo similar/different/obsolete or what? d-i only installs elilo, it doesn't know about efibootmgr | 04:26 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: although... resolving symlinks before doing any check on them might be safer and even easier | 04:27 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ah, then elilo is probably needed... | 04:27 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) well, d-i could be changed, I'm just wondering | 04:27 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) efibootmgr is for mucking with efi | 04:27 | |
| === lamont shrugs - dunno. probably best to do what di does. That is, d-i+2.6kernel. | ||
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) neither are in main at the moment AFAICS | 04:28 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) both in universe. | 04:28 | |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: haven't seen commit mails yet | 04:31 | |
| pitti | sjoerd: not even the ones from some days ago= | 04:31 |
| pitti | sjoerd: ?, even | 04:31 |
| (sjoerd/#ubuntu-devel) no, never had any afaik | 04:32 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: I've made the installer seed changes for ia64 since I think that's OK to do, but mdz/jdub will need to ack base changes | 04:33 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: (given you efi-reader, elilo-installer, libc6.1-udeb) | 04:34 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) cool | 04:34 | |
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| Mitario | heyhey | 04:50 |
| mvo_ | hi Mitario | 04:52 |
| mvo_ | update-manager 0.32 was uploaded today :) | 04:52 |
| pitti | guys, do we have CC today? | 04:53 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hrm, anyone understand the kernel build system? | 04:53 | |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) I want to stop it applying some patches | 04:54 | |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) er, ubuntu kernel package build system | 04:54 | |
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| pitti | seb128: just installed new gvfs; now it really does make a difference :) thanks | 05:01 |
| seb128 | np :) | 05:01 |
| seb128 | is that better ? | 05:01 |
| pitti | seb128: however, complete drive unmounting (#3666?) still doesn't work | 05:01 |
| seb128 | :( | 05:01 |
| pitti | seb128: but the new names and capacity is nice | 05:01 |
| seb128 | yeah | 05:01 |
| pitti | also, mount point symlinks are still an issue | 05:02 |
| pitti | seb128: but I already debugged it (#1217), and I can fix it on my own | 05:02 |
| pitti | seb128: I jsut hoped that hal would fix this for free :) | 05:02 |
| pitti | No CC meeting today? | 05:03 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: is it possible to have g-v-m set certain mount options? | 05:04 | |
| pitti | bob2: what do you mean in particular? | 05:04 |
| pitti | bob2: right now you can influence async and noatime | 05:05 |
| pitti | bob2: in fact the newest versions do this automatically | 05:05 |
| gicmo | 'evening | 05:05 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: they're the ones I'm thinking of | 05:05 | |
| pitti | bob2: right now the devices get "sync,noatime" for < 1GB and "async,atime" for > 1GB | 05:06 |
| herzi | what does it take to build a package and get it uploaded into universe? | 05:06 |
| pitti | bob2: you can customize that in /etc/hal/fdi/ubuntu-storage-policy.fdi | 05:06 |
| pitti | herzi: build it, put it to a place where it can be downloaded and tested | 05:06 |
| pitti | herzi: then ask here | 05:07 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: oh cool, thanks | 05:07 | |
| pitti | bob2: however, g-v-m itself does not yet allow to modify this | 05:07 |
| pitti | bob2: it's currently HAL and pmount-hal | 05:07 |
| pitti | bob2: the intention is to have save memory sticks and fast USB hard drives | 05:07 |
| pitti | bob2: s/save/safe/ | 05:08 |
| seb128 | hey gicmo | 05:08 |
| seb128 | gicmo: here now ? :) | 05:08 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: cool, that's just what I wanted | 05:08 | |
| herzi | hi gicmo:) | 05:08 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: here ? | 05:10 |
| gicmo | seb128, hehe yeah! | 05:10 |
| gicmo | seb128, I installed ubuntu about a week ago .. I wanna help out with the graphical boot stuff .. but sladen is never around :( | 05:10 |
| gicmo | herzi, jo! :) | 05:11 |
| carlos | gicmo: hey!, nice to see you here | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | seb128: nope :p | 05:12 |
| Keybuk | seb128: shoot. | 05:12 |
| gicmo | Hi carlos! .. good to see you too .. how are you? | 05:12 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: is there a meeting today ? | 05:13 |
| seb128 | <smurfix> Is anybody going to open this meeting / are we waiting for people / ??? | 05:13 |
| seb128 | on #ubuntu-meeting | 05:13 |
| pitti | seb128: I just pinged sabdfl | 05:13 |
| carlos | gicmo: fine, thanks. Enjoying your webdavs code :-) | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | seb128: Community Counctil I assume | 05:13 |
| gicmo | heh :) | 05:13 |
| Keybuk | Tech Board was last week | 05:13 |
| seb128 | ok | 05:13 |
| seb128 | dunno if you organise all the meetings :) | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | lol, no | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | I can probably hit Mark with a bread roll from here | 05:14 |
| gicmo | I am trying to buy a keyboard with .en layout.. wow thats kinda difficult if you are in .de | 05:14 |
| Keybuk | though I warn you, my aim is terrible | 05:14 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 05:15 |
| smurfix | you seem to have hit ;-) | 05:15 |
| daniels | Keybuk: see, if you managed to iht me, now that's an achievement | 05:15 |
| daniels | gicmo: yeah, qwertz is interesting | 05:15 |
| gicmo | daniels, yeah but really sucks if you do lots of coding/unix-sysadmin .. so I wanna have a .en layouy | 05:17 |
| gicmo | layout | 05:17 |
| Keybuk | gicmo: I'm sure my keyboard was made in .de | 05:18 |
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| herzi | gicmo: i have only one querz left, but i have one query that you can get in berlin on 21c3 | 05:19 |
| herzi | qwerty | 05:19 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" | 05:26 | |
| gicmo | herzi, sweet ... but I think I can find some on ebay | 05:26 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) meh, I must have broken something fairly core :( | 05:26 | |
| pitti | mdz: Good morning! | 05:28 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: morning | 05:28 | |
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| gicmo | I wanna have beagle packages .. | 05:34 |
| === gicmo runs | ||
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Nov 23 15:50 /bin/hw-detect | 05:37 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) ah, that would do it | 05:38 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) ew | 05:38 | |
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| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) we ought to send out a reminder the day before, for CC meetings as well as TB | 05:40 | |
| (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: it would be _really_ nice to have an ical feed somewhere people could subscribe. | 05:41 | |
| herzi | gicmo: build some | 05:42 |
| gicmo | herzi, heh .. I suck at debian package stuff .. and of course you would need the inotify kernel patches .. | 05:44 |
| azeem | does beagle use inotify directly, or via gamin? | 05:45 |
| gicmo | azeem, good question ... maybe directly ... | 05:46 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: ping? | 05:50 | |
| mvo_ | mdz: pong | 05:50 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: do you have your apt changes in arch now? | 05:51 | |
| mvo_ | mdz: yes | 05:51 |
| mvo_ | at chinstrap | 05:52 |
| mvo_ | apt--mvo--0 | 05:52 |
| mvo_ | unfortunately the apt-0.6 sync is not yet finished, apparently some problems with cvs.debian.org | 05:53 |
| elmo | mvo_: meh, not cvs.d.o's fault | 05:53 |
| mvo_ | elmo: sorry, didn't wanted to imply that it was the fault of cvs.d.o :) | 05:53 |
| mvo_ | elmo: you make funny noises today BTW ;) | 05:54 |
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| pitti | seb128: after logging out of gnome, there are still three user processes running (esd, gam_server, dbus-daemon-1) | 06:02 |
| pitti | seb128: this gives funny messages when logging in again and generally doesn't look right | 06:02 |
| pitti | seb128: which package is the best to file bugs about this against? | 06:02 |
| seb128 | esd -> esound | 06:03 |
| pitti | seb128: I shall file bugs against the packages themselves? | 06:03 |
| seb128 | there is an option for that in /etc/esound/esd.conf | 06:03 |
| pitti | seb128: not against the packages that start these processes? | 06:03 |
| pitti | ah | 06:03 |
| seb128 | dunno for the 2 others | 06:03 |
| seb128 | yes, probably against the packages | 06:03 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: so next steps for debootstrap? | 06:04 | |
| === lamont blames low blood sugar. bbiam | ||
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: get gcc-3.4 uploaded, I think ... | 06:05 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: your tree seems to have both Suggests and Depends: bzip2 | 06:07 | |
| mvo_ | mdz: apt suggests bzip2, apt-utils depends on bzip2. the later may be from lamonts upload | 06:08 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: just for a moment assuming that Herbert won't be doing hoary kernels soon, how complicated are the required patches for ia64? | 06:08 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: hmm...why would apt-utils depend on bzip2? | 06:09 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: ? | 06:09 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: no kernel diff, just configs | 06:09 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: yes | 06:09 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: oh yes; can we add the ia64 bootloader to base? either elilo or efibootmgr, not 100% sure which yet | 06:09 | |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) mdz: no good reason - was applying a large cluebat to get the archive usable again. | 06:09 | |
| elmo | lamont: err, yeah there is a kernel diff? | 06:09 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) not according to dannf... | 06:10 | |
| elmo | which dannf are you talking to? he told me to apply the ia64 patch when building kernels for our boxes | 06:10 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) -rw-r--r-- dannf/dannf 111522 2004-06-29 21:07:28 kernel-patch-2.6.7-ia64-2.6.7/linux-2.6.7-ia64-040629.diff | 06:10 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) there are several others too, dunno how many were merged in 2.6.8 | 06:11 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) for 2.6 there is no kernel-patch-ia64 | 06:11 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) 2.4 is a diff story, unknown here. | 06:12 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that's as of when I asked yesterday | 06:12 | |
| elmo | dude, there's no kernel-patch-ia64 in _Debian_ because it's managed as part of the generic Debian kernel patch now | 06:13 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: ok, merged, mirror updating | 06:13 | |
| elmo | but there's definitely still an ia64 patch to 2.6.<n> | 06:13 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ah. and ours are based off of upstream, or debians? | 06:14 | |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm a patch for gnome-session/esd | 06:14 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ours==ubuntu | 06:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Debian's, but I don't think we're totally up to date | 06:14 | |
| seb128 | pitti: oups, s/'m'/'ve/ | 06:14 |
| pitti | seb128: you are a patch? Interesting :) | 06:14 |
| seb128 | yes | 06:14 |
| seb128 | I AM THE PATCH | 06:14 |
| seb128 | FEAR | 06:14 |
| seb128 | :p | 06:14 |
| === Kamion ponders the approach of just uploading ddetect and seeing what breaks | ||
| daniels | 'be the patch' | 06:15 |
| kylem | hah. | 06:16 |
| gicmo | seb128, no no .. go away .. please .. dont patch me ..noooooooo | 06:16 |
| seb128 | :p | 06:16 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) there are three ia64 patches in our linux-source right now | 06:17 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: and the build fails on ia64 after the build completes (ia64 not in arch list). Which of course, doesn't mean it would actually _work_... | 06:17 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that was what led me to ask folks yesterday | 06:18 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) well, let's compare | 06:18 | |
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| mvo_ | mdz: thanks | 06:18 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) mvo_: did you hear anything from lifeless about v0_6? | 06:19 | |
| lifeless | its done, just finishing a prod update for you to see it | 06:24 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) OK, so we seem to be missing five patches that include the string "ia64" | 06:25 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: so there is definitely some kernel work to be done before we're really happy there. | 06:28 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) they're all self-contained though | 06:29 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that sounds good | 06:30 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) the dropping of kernel-patch-2.6.8-ia64 happened with the first Debian kernel-image-2.6.8-ia64 build, and Herbert merged everything up until after that date from Debian | 06:32 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: which patch did dannf tell you to apply? | 06:32 | |
| elmo | the one in ports/ia64/ on kernel.org | 06:33 |
| elmo | that may already be in debians and ours tho | 06:33 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Setting up fontconfig (2.2.3-2ubuntu1) ... | 06:33 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) /usr/sbin/laptop-detect: line 14: dmidecode: command not found | 06:33 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that's got to be something I can blame on daniels.... ;-) | 06:34 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: oh, you were going from upstream source weren't you? | 06:34 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: thom, wasn't it? | 06:34 | |
| elmo | Kamion: yeah - I tried with ours and got patch conflicts and ran away screaming | 06:34 |
| elmo | oh, actually, I Fixed the patch conflicts, but it still FTBFS | 06:35 |
| elmo | we had a patched ACPI and the ia64 part hadn't been updated to match, IIRC | 06:35 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) there's certainly some of that we haven't got; Debian doesn't either though | 06:36 | |
| daniels | lamont: notmeblamethom | 06:37 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: heh | 06:38 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: but you're _FUN_ to blame.... :-) | 06:38 | |
| daniels | :P | 06:38 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: after ignoring the big wodge of deleted files there's only one diff hunk that touches ACPI ... | 06:42 | |
| elmo | Kamion: in which? | 06:45 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) linux-2.6.8-ia64-040901.diff.gz | 06:45 | |
| elmo | yeah, but I mean we (i.e. ubuntu's kernel patch) update ACPI but didn't take the corresponding update for ia64 | 06:46 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) oh, I see | 06:46 | |
| elmo | is my very dubious understanding of it - it was 10pm by this point and I was trying to get out of the DC | 06:46 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) not that I can figure out where the hell Herbert got that version of the patch from in the first place | 06:52 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) I wonder if he just pulled it straight from BK | 06:52 | |
| daniels | elmo: so, what doesn't suck in the land of gigabit switches? | 06:55 |
| daniels | elmo: looking at up to 10 connections | 06:56 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: was dannf very definite that the patch on kernel.org wasn't needed? | 06:56 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: really fuzzy on the whole conversation... | 06:59 | |
| === lamont looks | ||
| fabbione | hey lamont | 07:01 |
| fabbione | lamont: i started phase1 :-) | 07:02 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Nov 21 10:51:59 <dannf> lamont: there's no kernel-patch package, if that's what you're asking | 07:02 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Nov 21 10:52:47 <dannf> lamont: there's plenty of changes vs. kernel.org though; mostly backports | 07:02 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Nov 21 10:53:11 <dannf> 2.6.9 builds, but i haven't done an upload yet - waiting for someone to generate a new kernel-source | 07:02 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Nov 21 10:53:36 <dannf> i'm not antsy enough to put one together myself, but i've added all the patches i've found necessary to get it to build | 07:02 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) N | 07:02 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ov 21 10:55:02 <dannf> and there's 2.6.9 configs in the repo as well | 07:02 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: kewl | 07:02 | |
| fabbione | lamont: just one question.. if i manage to build phase1 without any cheating (since i did all of them in phase0), phase2 can be considered "gold", right? | 07:03 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: well,there's a naming thing going on here... | 07:03 | |
| fabbione | lamont: i did try to allign my naming with your :-) | 07:04 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) I created chroot-stage0 by debootstrapping sid. the debs built there went into the stage1 repository, which was pointed at by chroot-stage1... | 07:04 | |
| fabbione | phase0 build on top of sid | 07:04 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: hm, bit vague | 07:04 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) but to answer your real question | 07:04 | |
| fabbione | phase1 bootstrap a chroot with phase0 pkgs and rebuild | 07:04 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) if you build using only .debs that you previously built (albeit in some random - aka sid - chroot), then we consider it to be bootstrapped. | 07:05 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) then comes d-i and kernel work | 07:05 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) as well as the seed changes | 07:05 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) all of which then feed into debootstrap changes, and presto. | 07:06 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) (right Kamion) | 07:06 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: and yes, dannf was a bit vague... | 07:06 | |
| fabbione | yup.. i did a local hack to debootstrap to be able to create a clean chroot from phase0 pkgs | 07:06 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: ayup | 07:06 | |
| fabbione | local hack = just add the sparc arch and add the 2/3 pkgs required by sparc only | 07:06 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) somebody remind me tomorrow to do architecture-specific tagging in germinate | 07:07 | |
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| fabbione | lamont: but the chroot is clean, there are no sid packages in it | 07:07 |
| fabbione | and it is building ubuntu on top of ubuntu | 07:07 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: on the naming thing, I was calling sid 'phase0 packages', and that produced things that were for stage1, while you're calling the output 'phase 0 packages' - not a big deal, as long as we both keep our stories straight. :) | 07:07 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: right | 07:07 | |
| fabbione | lamont: ok, let me try with your naming scheme :-) | 07:07 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) once you build ubuntu on top of ubuntu, then you're done building packages, and ready to start fixing bugs. | 07:08 | |
| fabbione | (if you don't mind) | 07:08 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: sure. although I understood it in your terms too... | 07:08 | |
| fabbione | so basically building on top of sid is stage0 and creates packages that have to be used for stage1 | 07:08 |
| fabbione | or so called stage1 packages | 07:09 |
| fabbione | did i get you right? | 07:09 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: I declared the sid packages to be stage 0, and began by building stage1 (ubuntu built on sid), then used the stage1 packages (output from chroot-stage1 builds) to debootstrap and build ubuntu on ubuntu (stage2) | 07:10 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) if no cheating is involved, then you're done. | 07:10 | |
| fabbione | ahh ok | 07:10 |
| fabbione | than i am at stage2 | 07:10 |
| fabbione | because i am building ubuntu on top of ubuntu | 07:10 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) if you cheat in getting everything into stage2, then you must iterate until you didn't cheat to build everything. | 07:10 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) right | 07:10 | |
| fabbione | well i did cheat building some packages for stage1 | 07:11 |
| fabbione | but mainly because of build-deps | 07:11 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: would adding passive => 1 to the dupload.conf stanza in Uploads be a good idea? it might work for a few more people | 07:11 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) hence the current state of ia64: I cheated in building gcc-3.4, so I can't upload that to the archive. (Killed the hung ada tests, you see...) | 07:11 | |
| fabbione | lamont: i didn't have to change the packages | 07:11 |
| fabbione | lamont: only make the build-dep available from the phase1 archive to the chroot | 07:12 |
| fabbione | like gnome 2.9 build-dep on libfoo 2.9 | 07:12 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: that's not cheating. | 07:12 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that's optimizing the iteration. :-) | 07:12 | |
| fabbione | ah ok | 07:12 |
| fabbione | well even better | 07:12 |
| fabbione | i considered that cheating | 07:12 |
| fabbione | becuase right now i am down to 12 FTBFS | 07:13 |
| fabbione | 3 are d-i/kenrel related | 07:13 |
| fabbione | and the others are the same in Debian and Ubuntu | 07:13 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) debian-installer, the kernel itself, what else? | 07:13 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) cheating includes source changes, manual intervention in the build process, manually installing things that don't belong in the chroot, etc. | 07:13 | |
| fabbione | Kamion: linux-meta and ubuntu-meta | 07:13 |
| fabbione | Kamion: the latter builds but incorrectly | 07:13 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) ah yes | 07:13 | |
| fabbione | lamont: no.. i did nothing like that | 07:13 |
| fabbione | lamont: instead i have been properly fixing the packages and upload them (see the FTBFS fixes from yesterday ;)) | 07:14 |
| fabbione | lamont: there was probably one thing that made me think.... | 07:15 |
| fabbione | when i started stage2, sbuild and apt were complaining about postdrop group | 07:15 |
| fabbione | i had to install postfix on the buildd to fix that problem | 07:15 |
| fabbione | it was mumbling something about group override (dpkg iirc) | 07:16 |
| === Kamion contemplates dropping discover from the d-i initrds | ||
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it might actually stand a chance of working without it now | 07:17 | |
| fabbione | Kamion: if you don't mind of the next day i will distrub you to get some sparc stuff in. | 07:17 |
| fabbione | s/day/days | 07:18 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: sure, what kind of stuff? | 07:18 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: (and are sparc uploads cleared with mdz/jdub?) | 07:18 | |
| fabbione | Kamion: the seeds and the debootstrap stuff? | 07:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: we are not going to upload to the main archive. We discussed this last TechBoard Meeting | 07:18 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) ok, but for debootstrap I want an archive I can download Packages files from that has a complete sparc base system | 07:19 | |
| pitti | @ALL: can anybody do a review of a mysql security update? | 07:19 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok, that can wait than.. | 07:19 |
| fabbione | thanks a log guys | 07:19 |
| fabbione | i need to go | 07:19 |
| fabbione | cya around tomorrow :-) | 07:19 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) and preferably an assurance that it will remain reasonably up to date to avoid complications | 07:19 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seeds, certainly | 07:19 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) cheerio | 07:19 | |
| fabbione | Kamion: we discussed that too at the meeting | 07:20 |
| pitti | fabbione: bye! | 07:20 |
| === fabbione & | ||
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: ?? | 07:25 | |
| seb128 | what . | 07:27 |
| seb128 | ? | 07:27 |
| === lamont points at the msg window | ||
| seb128 | oh ok | 07:27 |
| seb128 | no, libgnomevfs2-dev missing this | 07:28 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lifeless: the v0_6 tree looks good, thanks | 07:28 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: whatever. :-) | 07:29 | |
| seb128 | thanks | 07:29 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) if I should dep-wait totem on something, that'd be a new verison of libgnomevfs2-dev? | 07:29 | |
| seb128 | right | 07:29 |
| seb128 | 2.8.3-0ubuntu8 | 07:30 |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: done | 07:36 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: btw, about python-gtk2... | 07:36 | |
| seb128 | lamont: hum, in fact nautilus-cd-burner bug | 07:37 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) we should be using the debian source tree for that (and gtkhtml3.2), yes? | 07:37 | |
| seb128 | /usr/lib/libnautilus-burn.la point on libhal | 07:38 |
| seb128 | lamont: we should yes | 07:38 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ok. I'll upload the debian versions then. | 07:38 | |
| seb128 | lamont: source name != upstream name, so we tar xzf && mv && tar czf | 07:38 |
| seb128 | if there is a timestamp somewhere perhaps the md5 is != | 07:38 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that'd do it | 07:39 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) maybe an upload of our bits to experimental is in order... :-) | 07:39 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that way the orig.tar.gz would be there... | 07:39 | |
| seb128 | he he | 07:39 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) but that's mean.. | 07:39 | |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: mind you, ISTR dpkg-source handled sourcename != upstreamname | 07:43 | |
| seb128 | lamont: yeah, but changing the sourcename would mean to go through NEW, right ? | 07:44 |
| === lamont doesn't know. | ||
| seb128 | lamont: I've not renamed these packages but when I've started to work on them they were in this state | 07:45 |
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| seb128 | and waiting 2-3 weeks to get a package out of NEW is a annoying, so I've not renamed them, perhaps I should :) | 07:46 |
| seb128 | elmo: gnome-gv sync please | 07:48 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 07:48 |
| seb128 | thanks | 07:48 |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: the trick is to ask nicely. :-) | 08:00 | |
| seb128 | lamont: right, and to not abuse :) | 08:02 |
| ironwolf | daniels ? | 08:08 |
| daniels | ironwolf: yo | 08:08 |
| ironwolf | daniels: s3v module does not exist. | 08:09 |
| daniels | argh! sorry, 's3virge' | 08:09 |
| === ironwolf whaps daniels...do you mean s3verge ? | ||
| daniels | s3virge | 08:10 |
| === lamont adds gnome-gv to the list of &%*))&% packages | ||
| daniels | i know that because that chipset has ruined my ability to type 'verge' | 08:10 |
| daniels | (it's called s3v_driver.c in the sources, which is what I was looking at, hence the confusion -- sorry again) | 08:10 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: I thought you were gonna make the sync fail on md5 mismatch introduction... | 08:11 | |
| ironwolf | daniels: as long as it gets working for hoary, my friend may not kill me. | 08:11 |
| daniels | ironwolf: should work, yes | 08:11 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: was bug? | 08:11 | |
| daniels | lamont: hmm? | 08:11 |
| ironwolf | lamont: is bug. :( | 08:12 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: s3virge | 08:12 | |
| daniels | lamont: what, using s3 instead of s3virge? | 08:12 |
| daniels | just an uncaught case in discover1-data | 08:12 |
| daniels | combined with POSSIBLY a DefaultDepth problem | 08:12 |
| daniels | because S3 cards suck | 08:12 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) dunno - whatever had adam's system not autoconfiguring X. | 08:12 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ah, ok | 08:12 | |
| ironwolf | S3 cards are fun... but I like radeon better. :) | 08:13 |
| daniels | ati cards are way better | 08:13 |
| ironwolf | unfortunately, not everybody runs ati or nvidia cards. :) | 08:14 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: merge-o-matic seems to get confused sometimes about the order in which debian/changelog hunks should be merged | 08:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: see e.g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/debian-installer/debian-installer_merged.debdiff | 08:14 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) 20041115ubuntu1 was put before 20041118 | 08:14 | |
| daniels | Kamion: 15 < 18? | 08:14 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) sorry, before => earlier in the file | 08:15 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) chronologically after | 08:15 | |
| Keybuk | Kamion: yeah, not sure why that is yet | 08:16 |
| Keybuk | I think it's when it applies the Ubuntu patch to Debian | 08:16 |
| Keybuk | the logic doesn't quite works | 08:17 |
| lifeless | mdz: mvo|away your request is fulfilled | 08:20 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128/elmo: I'll fix gnome-gv as well | 08:21 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lifeless: thanks | 08:22 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lifeless: mvo|away seemed to have some trouble with the merge, though | 08:22 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) <mvo_> CHECKSUM FILE(S) DISAGREE WITH | 08:22 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) <mvo_> DIRECTORY LISTING ABOUT WHAT | 08:22 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) <mvo_> FILES SHOULD BE PRESENT IN | 08:22 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) <mvo_> REVISION DIR OF ARCHIVE | 08:22 | |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) <mvo_> argggg | 08:22 | |
| seb128 | lamont: md5 not matching again ? | 08:22 |
| lifeless | well, its only just ready to go.. so ... | 08:22 |
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| lifeless | and it works just fine for me ... | 08:25 |
| ironwolf | daniels: s3virge + Depth=16 seems to work, you want we should try Depth 24? | 08:26 |
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| ironwolf | daniels: adam sends his thanks, and says you rock! | 08:28 |
| ironwolf | daniels: So this will autodetect in hoary yes? | 08:28 |
| daniels | ironwolf: trying depth 24 would be cool also | 08:30 |
| daniels | rad | 08:30 |
| lifeless | might be that hes missing the gpg key in the web server root dir | 08:31 |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: yep | 08:40 | |
| seb128 | doh, *again* | 08:41 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) python-gtk2 and gtkhtml3.2 uploaded | 08:42 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: is easy to fix, annoying to need to.... | 08:44 | |
| seb128 | yes | 08:44 |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: and the real issue is that gnome-gv_2.8.0.orig.tar.gz exists in warty, so we can't change that one. | 08:44 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) maybe we can start putting a big list of our repacked-from-upstream .orig.tar.gz filenames somewhere and asking the Debian GNOME guys to take them from us if they package that version | 08:49 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) or version them 2.8.0~1.orig.tar.gz or something (dunno if that works) | 08:49 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) or indeed 2.8.0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz ... | 08:50 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: you around? | 08:50 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: yeah - been uploading 2.8.0ubuntu1 versions | 08:51 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) issue there is that if we do that first, then the debian package will forever be younger. | 08:51 | |
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| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: gnome-gv uploaded | 08:51 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) that's OK for GNOME though | 08:51 | |
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) true | 08:51 | |
| === lamont wonders how much pain this will cause keybuk and hct... | ||
| (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ECHAN | 08:52 | |
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| ironwolf | daniels: Depth 24 worked. | 09:01 |
| === lamont heads to town for a bit | ||
| jdub | seb128: pong | 09:07 |
| (mdz/#ubuntu-devel) lifeless: is that permissions issue fixed, where things come in with (e.g.) mode 446? | 09:15 | |
| lemsx1 | i just found out about this nifty project: http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php | 09:23 |
| lemsx1 | GnomeBaker | 09:23 |
| lemsx1 | it has similar goals as mrburns | 09:23 |
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| shaya | is upgrade-notifier supposed to be usable? | 09:29 |
| mvo|away | shaya: I think so | 09:32 |
| seb128 | jdub: I've pinged ? I don't remember why :) | 09:38 |
| jdub | seb128: the gnomevfs depends change | 09:39 |
| jdub | seb128: it wasn't appropriate? | 09:39 |
| seb128 | probably | 09:39 |
| seb128 | was not needed | 09:39 |
| jdub | but without the new libsmbclient, the smb module wasn't built | 09:39 |
| seb128 | the consensus on the debian side was to wait to get the new version on the autobuilders and to not bump the depends for nothing | 09:39 |
| jdub | oh right | 09:39 |
| jdub | but really, the depends *is* needed to make gnomevfs work :) | 09:40 |
| seb128 | nop, we just need to avoid a bugged samba package | 09:40 |
| seb128 | but whatever, both ways are fine | 09:40 |
| seb128 | jdub: do you know if somebody is working on OO.o 1.1.3 ? We have planned to update to 1.1.3 for hoary, right ? | 09:41 |
| jdub | * Remove discover from the initrds and rely entirely on hotplug. Let's see | 09:41 |
| jdub | how much this breaks ... | 09:42 |
| jdub | ^ woo | 09:42 |
| jdub | seb128: yeah, doko is tracking the merge and sync | 09:42 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:42 |
| shaya | mvo: it doesn't work well for me | 09:44 |
| mvo_ | shaya: what does not work ? | 09:44 |
| shaya | 1) it doesn't seem to do the apt-get update (if I do it manually it works) | 09:44 |
| shaya | 2) it leaks gdksudo's all over the place | 09:44 |
| shaya | gksudo that is | 09:45 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: the answer's probably "lots", judging from my preliminary testing | 09:45 | |
| shaya | though it pops up a notification correctly | 09:45 |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: I need a tame hotplug guru :) | 09:45 | |
| (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: Chris Halls just applied and was approved for Ubuntu maintainership, too | 09:46 | |
| mvo_ | 1) is deliberately, it will install a config option in /etc/apt.conf.d to trigger a apt cron.daily job to do the "apt-get update" | 09:46 |
| mvo_ | 2) what does "leaks gksudo" mean? | 09:46 |
| shaya | spotter@dent:~ $ ps auxw |grep gksudo |wc -l | 09:46 |
| shaya | 3 | 09:46 |
| jdub | Kamion: fun :-) | 09:46 |
| mvo_ | shaya: I don't have any. can you reproduce the leak? | 09:48 |
| shaya | mvo_, is this what you are talking about? APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; | 09:53 |
| shaya | so shouldn't it do it? | 09:53 |
| mvo_ | yes | 09:54 |
| mvo_ | it will trigger a cron.daily script | 09:54 |
| shaya | apt? | 09:54 |
| shaya | hmm | 09:55 |
| shaya | perhaps thats why | 09:55 |
| shaya | ubuntu updates more than daily | 09:55 |
| shaya | hence I usually do it manually before it notifies me | 09:55 |
| shaya | :) | 09:55 |
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| mvo_ | shaya: :) | 10:04 |
| mvo_ | if you manage to reproduce the leaks with gksudo I would be really happy | 10:04 |
| mvo_ | the upgrade-notifier is pretty young | 10:04 |
| lifeless | mdz: permissions are fixed, yes. | 10:05 |
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| daniels | ironwolf: awesome! thanks dude :) | 10:08 |
| jdub | lifeless: will this be a problem in future? | 10:09 |
| ironwolf | daniels: so it'll be automagic in hoary right? :) | 10:09 |
| daniels | ironwolf: sure will | 10:12 |
| ironwolf | daniels: EXCELLENT! | 10:12 |
| jdub | ooh, nautilus is dead again | 10:13 |
| jdub | oh, there it goes | 10:13 |
| ironwolf | daniels: now, this battery monitor thing. Do I need APCI or can I use APM? *currently says 0% all the time. :(* | 10:13 |
| daniels | ironwolf: how old is the laptop? | 10:14 |
| jdub | no external storage icons though | 10:14 |
| ironwolf | P4 2.2Ghz *different machine* couple years maybe... | 10:15 |
| (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) come on baby use nautilus-spire | 10:15 | |
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| ironwolf | daniels: 2001? | 10:20 |
| daniels | ironwolf: you might need to boot with acpi=force | 10:25 |
| daniels | ironwolf: alternately, you might need to use APM, yah (acpi=off) | 10:25 |
| ironwolf | daniels: where do I set acpi=force? *grub is new to me* | 10:26 |
| lifeless | jdub: will what | 10:27 |
| daniels | ironwolf: in /boot/grub.conf, and run update-grub | 10:33 |
| daniels | ironwolf: there'll be a line like '# kopt="foo"' | 10:33 |
| daniels | ironwolf: change it to '# kopt="foo acpi=force"' | 10:33 |
| daniels | ironwolf: note that you retain the initial # | 10:33 |
| daniels | ironwolf: then run update-grub | 10:34 |
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| jdub | lifeless: permissions and stuf | 10:45 |
| pitti | night, guys | 10:52 |
| shaya | any plans to include beagle in ubuntu? | 10:54 |
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| daniels | Kamion: summon the police, woo woo woo? | 10:59 |
| lifeless | jdub: yeah, all good won't happen again | 11:05 |
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| ironwolf | daniels: woohoo! thanks. It works *well 99%, not 100%* | 11:41 |
| Matt| | hes gone | 11:43 |
| ironwolf | thanks Matt| | 11:44 |
| Matt| | np | 11:44 |
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