[12:03] elmo: nautilus-cd-burner sync please [12:11] seb128: i work on a gaim-devel now [12:11] have you contacted the debian maintainers ? === TerminX [~terminx@69.12.16.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] not yet [12:12] i want to have a patch ready that works on my box [12:12] then i will contact them [12:12] you should have started by this [12:13] I think they have perhaps the change ready [12:13] they were waiting for the debian freeze for this change apparently === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] oups [12:23] night all [12:24] nite [12:25] 'night [12:25] night sabdfl === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-205-129.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) elmo? === aes [~andrew@proxy.emma.cam.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont bbiab - meeting for a while === Lovechild [~dnielsen@82.150.72.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _rene__ [~rene@dsl-213-023-032-108.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _rene__ is now known as _rene_ === zul [~chuck@zul.developer.gentoo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] hey === htaccess [~don@atmos.fx.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === eruin [~eruin@213-145-179-140.dd.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rabidbt [~rabidbt@66.45.74.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === George^Deka [~chatzilla@203-173-44-118.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === George^Deka is now known as George^D^Work [04:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) lamont: can you try kicking off another set of builds of debian-installer 20041118ubuntu2? I fixed the hw-detect bug that broke it just after uploading it [05:35] Kamion: done [05:35] night all [06:39] morning guys [06:43] morning [06:43] hey mdz [06:45] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: will do [06:49] Kamion: are you still around? [06:52] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) ENOKEYBUK [06:52] heheh [06:57] mdz: 3745... not yet :P === lamont is reminded of just how much he ^&*&*^) HATES perl [07:05] ehehe [07:29] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) no daniels either. hrm. [07:29] lamont: something about X? [07:31] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) just gonna pester him about xorg upload with ia64 support.. :) [07:31] lamont: it's pending upload [07:31] i will kick him today [07:32] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) There are 37 (or so) main packages remaining to be built, most of which are either d-w xorg, or blocked by gcc-3.4 [07:32] lamont: yeah.. i know.. [07:32] i will talk to him to do an upload today [07:33] or max tomorrow [07:33] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) np - I was just quoting my activity report.. :) [07:33] ahah [07:35] good night, all [07:37] night mdz! [07:49] morning all. [07:49] lamont: please let's sort out the libunwind problems for ia64 first, before doing the gcc upload [07:51] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) doko: it won't build until something happens... [07:51] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) cc'ed you on the mail to t-bone telling him what he could work on. === lamont is trying really hard to not be working on ia64, esp during work hours - other stuff is ahead of it on my tasklist [07:52] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) that is, I'm trying to let t-bone do all the real work. [07:56] lamont: ok === lamont decides to go to sleep - more merges and bugfixes looming in the morning. [07:57] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) night all === RubenV [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:04] night lamont === pasc [~pasc@gandalf.redellipse.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] Morning [09:28] Keybuk, mdz: http://lwn.net/Articles/111859/ [09:30] jdub: cute ... though udevd looks more "interesting" [09:30] as it actually deals with the various races hotplug can introduce [09:31] (remove beating add, for example) [09:31] yeah, where can i find out more about it? [09:31] lkml, lwn, etc. [09:31] hrm [09:31] must of missed it in lwn [09:32] is part of the udev package these days [09:32] it's even in hoary [09:32] syndicate scott% whatis udevd [09:32] udevd (8) - udev event serializer daemon and udev event sender [09:33] you basically use udevsend instead of hotplug, and udevd does the work in the right order [09:33] cool [09:34] http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/; kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/ === jdub reads man page, is pleased [09:35] maybe hotplug-ng is gregkh's attempt to fix the hotplug problems though [09:35] jdub: reading his code, it isn't even trying [09:35] he's basically just written run-parts [09:36] hrm, udevd is not mentioned even as far back as october 28th [09:36] I don't what the ideal final solution is yet [09:37] udevd seems to be the fore-runner, with hotplug-ng C scripts replacing the existing shell hotplug agents [09:37] (you still need all the stuff to do module and firmware loading) [09:37] hey Keybuk [09:37] is daniels around there? [09:37] fabbione: he was still in bed [09:38] Keybuk: so /sbin/hotplug calls udevsend? [09:38] Keybuk: ok [09:38] jdub: no, you set the kernel to call udevsend instead of /sbin/hotplug [09:38] udevsend informs udevd of the new event [09:39] and udevd makes sure /sys is populated, creates the device node and runs the /etc/hotplug* scripts for it [09:39] hrm, positive review of mepis from ladislav in lwn [09:39] Keybuk: ahh [09:40] udevd also makes sure the events actually happen in the right order === sivang [~sivang@80.179.82.159.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] Keybuk: btw, /sys/ is automatically populated by the kernel; you mean populating /dev/? [09:41] Hi sivang! [09:41] pitti: no, udevd *makes sure* /sys is populated [09:42] when the kernel fires the hotplug event, it usually hasn't actually got around to populating /sys yet [09:42] Keybuk: ah, you mean it waits for the sysfs entries? [09:42] so the hotplug event runs, and has to sit and sleep until the right /sys path shows up [09:42] Keybuk: this is a nice feature; so far we have too many races because of still missing /sys entries [09:42] indeed === jdub wonders if simplymepis have permission to ship all the plugin and media foo [09:42] there's also the "add event takes longer than the remove event" issue [09:43] where you plug a device and unplug it quickly [09:43] and the add event is still finishing after the remove event has been fired and finished [09:43] Keybuk: could udevd use inotify on /sys? :) [09:43] jdub: dunno whether inotify works on /sys -- possibl === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 ciao === mojo [~mojo@220-244-212-78-vic.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] hi all devel [09:55] I found prob of RealPlayer that make it not run on Hoary [09:56] if remove the swfformat.so and swfformat.so in plugins folder === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] and that will fix it [09:56] just move the swfformat.so and swfformat.so in plugins folder in RealPlayer folder [09:56] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) you should add that to the wiki [09:56] it's still a bug [09:57] I'm wondering y swf has prob with Debian [09:57] .. [09:57] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) you mean helixplayer, right? [09:57] hey daniels [09:57] no [09:57] RealPLayer [09:57] daniels: when do you plan to upload the next X? [09:57] is there any relation of swfrender and swfformat in Debian and Ubuntu? [09:57] daniels: since you have planned some major changes it is a good idea to start now [09:57] sorri [09:58] I say remove not move [09:58] just remove 2 files [09:58] daniels: early breakage will give you more time to fix stuff around [09:58] daniels: and ia64 buildds are waiting for you :-) [09:58] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mojo: where can one get the source for realplayer? [09:58] http://forms.helixcommunity.org/helix/builds/ [09:59] get the latest src [09:59] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) erm. that's helixplayer. [09:59] and can u please check the swf plugins [09:59] there's RealPlayer there [10:00] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ok. I'm at work atm, sorry, might have a look later. [10:00] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) someone has ITP'd it for debian, tho, you might want to talk to them [10:00] it's just acutally Helix Player that is on respo [10:00] I can't find any RealPLayer there [10:00] fabbione: today [10:00] lamont: ping [10:01] if u know any Debianized package of RealPlayer, please give me the URL [10:01] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mojo: google: "helixplayer itp" [10:01] ok [10:01] what is itp? [10:01] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) intent to package [10:02] k === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~Michael@suprimo-221.ping.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] Hi silbs, hi mvo_! [10:08] hi pitti === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] hi silbs [10:09] morning === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madduck_ [~madduck@madduck.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === madduck_ is now known as madduck [10:20] bob2: it [10:21] seems to me that's a bug of RealPlayer [10:21] bob2: and helix-player itp doesn't get involve in Realplayer so they won't give me a hand [10:22] Our plan is to produce a usable version of beagle that can be shipped [10:22] as part of SUSE 9.3. This almost exactly corresponds to the timeline [10:22] for GNOME 2.10. We call this goal "Milestone One," and the tasks [10:22] required to reach that goal are labeled as such in [10:22] bugzilla.gnome.org. [10:22] [10:22] Keybuk: ^ [10:22] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) yeah, robert love went and assigned a bunch of novell people tasks [10:22] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) including "make it not crash all the bloody time" [10:24] jdub: cool, so you think we can sneak that into hoary too? [10:25] Keybuk: perhaps we should seriously consider it :) [10:25] not a lot of dependencies we don't have [10:25] kernel will be sorted [10:25] i'm sure we can inspire a new d-bus release [10:26] jdub: yeah, I think it sounds like a goal to me [10:26] no gsf cil stuff [10:26] hrm, no evolution sharp [10:26] weird [10:27] no evo# where? [10:27] hoary [10:28] ah, is it in Debian? [10:28] that's going to be a tomboy dep too, isn't it? [10:29] doubt it [10:30] jdub: is there any plan to upload polypaudio in Debian one day ? [10:31] seb128: was planning to upload 0.7, but there are problems with it. [10:32] ok [10:32] seb128: so working those out with lennart, then it'll go straight into debian and hoary. [10:32] seb128: want to sponsor it? :) [10:32] what kind of problem ? [10:33] b0rked autofoo === jdub is not fully sold on it for hoary either, yet [10:34] jdub: for the sponsoring if you want, but I thought it was better to find a non-canonical people ? [10:35] seb128: i think that's *very* important for becoming a DD, but less important for sponsoring. [10:36] seb128: i wanted to do it, but it can be harder. :) [10:36] ok === Crushed_Cigar [~zinc@ACC4D771.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] jdub: I can still sponsor polypaudio for you if you want, btw === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] seb128: thanks for fixing gdm, is that enough for the other gnome-suite as well? [11:10] seb128: i have the problem with panels too [11:11] no panel problem is a libwnck bug, I'm fixing it for Debian right now it should be fixed in hoary as soon as libwnck is synced after that [11:11] cool thanks! [11:11] s/no panel/no, the panel/ [11:11] np [11:11] seb128: did i ever tell you that you rock? [11:11] ;) [11:11] thanks :) [11:11] (you rock too ;) === fabbione gets red in his face [11:12] :P === rburton [~ross@84.12.27.219] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] :) [11:16] hey rburton [11:16] hi seb128 [11:25] if you think that compiling X is slow.. build the kernel [11:29] $ gpg --list-keys jdub [11:29] gpg: WARNING: using insecure memory! [11:29] ^ should that happen with our gpg? [11:29] nope [11:30] it happens if gnupg is not suid, I think [11:30] but we have user mlock [11:30] azeem: iirc out gpg is patched for that [11:30] nicey [11:30] hrm, maybe mjg59's kernel doesn't do that [11:30] s/out/our [11:31] but gnupg drops the priviledges as soon as it got hold of secure memory anyway === robtaylor|away is now known as robtaylor [11:38] and there we go... my laptop has been ubuntified too [11:38] i love reading people getting angry about "all this attention on a new distribution, that ubuntu thing" === jdub goes for dinner [11:39] jdub : well, eat their (red) hats out :) [11:39] ;-) [11:42] daniels: did you upload all the xorg goodies in the archive? like composite manager? [11:42] fabbione: NEW [11:44] Hey, I just got my Warty CD shipment [11:44] They really look nice [11:44] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) woo [11:47] i still didn't.. but hounestly.. i can't wait :P === sivang is still awaiting his.. [11:48] shipment cds [11:48] they came too late for the Linux fair here [11:48] but still there are enough linux freaks in our University :-) === pitti fondly drapes a cd for each platform on his computer desk [11:52] elmo: libwnck sync please [12:12] Kamion: ping === George^Deka [~george@210.50.202.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] seb128: done [12:20] (thom/#ubuntu-devel) morning === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] morning elmo, thom [12:21] elmo: do you have any objections to start looking at sparc.u.c ? === fabiand [~fabiand@p50868BAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] elmo: i have started building the "golden debs" [12:22] and theoretically i can also upload them [12:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: crack! I want my craaaaack. [12:22] Mithrandir: soon :-) [12:22] Mithrandir: it will take another week or so to finish [12:22] + still missing the kernel stuff === jdub will run it on his 220R :) [12:23] and in order to get everything in the proper place we will need to do a bit more stuff after that [12:23] hey, someone experienced problems with vconfig and/or the 8021q module? [12:23] jdub: after you get main, start building universe you lazy guy :P [12:24] elmo: thanks [12:24] hey thom [12:25] fabbione: how well set up is linux-restricted-modules to deal with multiple nvidia versions? [12:26] daniels: no idea.. i did only the first packaging.. [12:26] fabbione: i386/amd64 are 6629, while ia64 is 5336 [12:26] ok [12:26] daniels: but i guess pretty well [12:26] daniels: 6629 is buggy [12:27] you need to patch it [12:27] or wait for the next release (better [12:27] ) [12:27] how's it buggy? [12:28] I know ubuntu does not support sun jvm but a lot of users are using it [12:29] http://news.com.com/Java+flaw+could+lead+to+Windows%2C+Linux+attacks/2100-1002_3-5464872.html?tag=nefd.top [12:31] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: l-r-m handles it ok-ish. [12:31] daniels: something about agp [12:31] A flaw in Sun Microsystems' plug-in for running Java on a variety of browsers and operating systems could allow a virus to spread through Microsoft Windows and Linux PCs. === fabbione doesn't use java [12:31] should ubuntu warn it's users for this or not? === RubenV votes yes! [12:34] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: pong [12:37] Kamion: can you please chat to sideshow for a sec about powerpc stuff? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] fabbione: hooray for nvidia :P [12:38] Kamion: he's having severe troubles booting his iBook -- both 2.6.8.1 (ours) and his self-compiled 2.6.9 refuse to find his root device? [12:38] s/.$// [12:41] daniels: did i ever claim that they are cool? [12:41] fabbione: you seem to like them [12:42] Kamion: nice work with that ddetect thingy :-) [12:42] daniels: gimme multihead without and i will get rid of them NOW [12:42] fabbione: ati :) [12:42] daniels: than gimme the money to change gfx [12:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: filesystem? [12:43] Kamion: this morning i discussed with mdz about creating udebs from linux-source and he convinced me to take the goal for hoary :-) [12:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: sounds like an initrd problem anyway; I don't know the answer to his problem offhand, but I'd boot with init=/bin/sh and step through it by hand [12:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: cool [12:43] Kamion: he also told me that you already have some ideas on how to do it [12:43] Kamion: should we take a look to it later today? [12:44] (i am still building the ccache for the kernel source..) [12:44] and i would like to get some lunch before [12:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) ideas> I do? [12:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it's mostly a linux-source-* build system job, and I don't know it well at all [12:46] Kamion: ext3, presumably [12:46] Kamion: well ok.. but the i think mdz was talking about a way to simply the management of the module lists for the udebs (or something like that) [12:46] Kamion: the kernel won't find the root FS (i.e. i have no root and i must scream) [12:46] s/simply/simplify [12:47] Kamion: while specifying root=, initrd= by hand also [12:47] Err http://people.ubuntulinux.org ./ xcompmgr 1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu1 [12:47] 404 Not Found [12:47] daniels: mind to fix you Packages file? [12:47] fabbione: fix your head :P [12:47] fabbione: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ xcompmgr/ [12:48] bah [12:48] fabbione: alternately, they just got ACCEPTED about half an hour ago ... [12:48] fabbione: i have fdclock/ also, and a broken transset/ [12:48] daniels: ok... [12:48] but working versions of all of the above should be in hoary [12:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: boot from CD and poke around to see if the initrd's sane? [12:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: we have to keep with approximately the layout of linux-kernel-di-*, otherwise merging becomes totally impossible [12:50] Kamion: sure, make sense [12:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: we should resist attempts to "simplify" it; besides which kernel-wedge is really clever and does a lot of things we want, like converting kernel module dependencies into package dependencies [12:50] Kamion: yes.. i was checking kernel-wedge.. [12:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) let me dig up Herbert's e-mail from when we last discussed [12:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) this [12:51] Kamion: the "hardest" thing to do is to integrate [12:51] #!/usr/bin/make -f [12:51] include /usr/share/kernel-wedge/generic-rules [12:51] debian/rules (END) [12:51] this ^ [12:51] into debian/rules for the kernel [12:52] Kamion: sure.. please fwd them to me [12:53] i really need to cook some lunch [12:53] later [12:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: there's apparently some complication with depmod [12:53] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: remember that you need a modules.dep for this to work [12:54] Kamion: yup.. i read that in one of the notes [12:55] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo,lamont: build logs on yellow are still in super-noisy mode due to the locale the buildd is using not being configured in the chroot [12:56] fixed [12:57] (it was king last time) [12:57] I either have an old amd64 install cd, or this is broken in warty final [12:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) it's the chroot [12:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) just running debootstrap won't generate locales [12:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) so LANG= will cause this, and we do generally set LANG!=C [12:58] you sure it's not /etc/environment in the base ? === fabiand [~fabiand@p50868BAE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [12:59] 'cos that's all I did on king.. ;) [12:59] what I mean is, both king and yellow had an /etc/environmment after a freash warty install [12:59] (an empty one) [01:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) you've got an old install CD [01:01] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) I fixed that in base-config 2.44ubuntu25 on 9 October, before final [01:01] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) however, it should be mostly harmless [01:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) elmo: you need to *generate* the locale as well as just setting it; all /etc/environment does is the latter [01:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' generates them; prebaseconfig does the equivalent of that in d-i [01:03] no, I just want to wipe it out [01:03] so we're using C [01:03] we don't have locales installed on most of our machines [01:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) ah; the installer won't do that for you [01:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) changing it in /etc/environment should certainly do for just wiping out the locale, yeah [01:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) ok, sorry if I was teaching granny to suck eggs, no idea how much you ignore locales in general :-) [01:13] Kamion: do you have a working dhcpd/tftpboot setup for ibooks? [01:14] uh - hasn't he got a CD? [01:15] matter of fact, he has, actually [01:16] I was going to say, if he doesn't, there's a bazillion lieing around the flat [01:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: yeah, somewhere [01:17] (thom/#ubuntu-devel) down to 2500 unread messages *sigh* [01:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: booting from CD probably way less hassle though [01:19] Kamion: jane/lulu had a couple of powerpc cds, as it turned out [01:19] thom: how many of them were 'where's firefox 1.0'? [01:19] elmo: 'bazillion', 'two', close enough [01:32] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: so, do you make it general consensus that we should at least drop mozilla-browser from the CD? [01:32] Kamion: yes [01:33] Kamion: *kill!* [01:33] Kamion: but there still seem to be too many users/usages for it [01:33] Kamion: so I would at least leave it in main [01:33] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) so move to supported? [01:33] Kamion: the remaining question is what to do with the locale packages? [01:33] Kamion: currently they are in universe [01:33] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) Kamion: thanks for your help dude [01:34] Kamion: if we propagate them to main, our future language packs should include them [01:34] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) not actually sure what fucked up, but rerunning ybin worked [01:34] Kamion: which is kind of a waste [01:34] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: dunno; I'm not wearing the mdz hat any more ;) [01:34] Kamion: that's a pretty big hat [01:34] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) bob2: ah, ok, cool === daniels has flashbacks to _Weekend at Bernie's_. [01:35] Kamion: we have this problem regardless of whether moz is in shipped or supported [01:35] Kamion: so I don't think it's a problem to move it to supported [01:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) indeed ... [01:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: from your comment above can I assume you approve? :) [01:36] hell yeah [01:38] Kamion: i will test the new cd tomorrow :-) [01:38] Kamion: no problem about it ;) === Astharot [isager@82.52.100.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-212.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [02:14] Kamion: do you mind to check if the current kernel-di-i386 builds properly? [02:14] I am getting an error here and i would like to know if it is just local [02:14] or something more than that [02:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: sure, let me just make a hoary-i386 chroot [02:14] Kamion: thanks [02:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: what's the error? [02:14] debian/ppp-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/lib/crc-ccitt.ko [02:14] debian/nic-shared-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/lib/crc-ccitt.ko [02:14] some modules are in more than one package [02:14] command exited with status 255 [02:14] make: *** [binary-arch] Error 2 [02:15] Kamion: i think the integration is much easier than we think [02:15] Kamion: kernel-wedge is well designed [02:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: that usually means that crc-ccitt needs to be added to a common package, but I thought I fixed that particular one ages ago; I'll have a look [02:16] Kamion: probably a left over from the recent merges? [02:17] anyway.. i "just" need a working kernel-di-i386 that i can use to verify my changes [02:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: shouldn't think so, it built last time [02:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: I'm looking, ok :) [02:17] sure [02:17] no rush === queuetue [~Scott@h69-21-252-54.69-21.unk.tds.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: what version are you using? the changelog says I fixed this in 0.64ubuntu6 [02:18] -0.67ubuntu3 [02:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) and of the kernel? [02:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: and of kernel-wedge? [02:19] -17 [02:19] Version: 1.25ubuntu2 [02:19] in the same order as requested :-) [02:24] Hi. I'm a reasonably good python developer interested in ubuntu - is there a list of low-hanging fruit that needs to be worked on so I could get my toes wet and learn about the ubuntu development process? [02:24] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: that's weird; I can see why it happens, but it didn't happen for me nor for the buildd; investigating ... [02:25] Kamion: just tell me if there is anything i can test here [02:25] Kamion: only one note: i am not building in a chroot and i have other kernels installed [02:25] (if that's relevant) === moyogo [~moyogo@HSE-Toronto-ppp189288.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] queuetue: do you want to become a maintainer, or a contributor on docs and translations? [02:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) queuetue: I'm not sure we have particularly good lists of low-hanging fruit at the moment, unfortunately, other than trawling bugzilla [02:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu-devel) queuetue: is there something in particular you're interested in? === herz1 [~herzi@c153063.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] Kamion, I'm not picky, but I happen to have a lot of interest in getting jack and professional audio recording/editing easy to use on a linux workstation atm... [02:30] sabdfl, I could do the first two, if someone could walk me through the process - translation, probably not - I'm English only. :) [02:30] queuetue: are you a maintainer in any other distro, or upstream on any open source projects? [02:31] seb128: dude [02:31] seb128: duuuuude [02:31] seb128: nautilus 2.9.1 :-) [02:31] sabdfl, No, I've contributed over the years to mozilla, python, and the kernel (via kernel-janitors) but nothing large or serious. [02:31] jdub: I know, I've packaged the CVS this morning and checked with alex that all was ok :) [02:32] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) queuetue: you could always look at the bounty list. [02:32] seb128: that's going to make hoary fun :) [02:33] what's rocking in the new nautilus? [02:33] sabdfl: boNObo -> gone :-) [02:33] queuetue: ok, to become a maintainer you basiaclly need [02:33] to demonstrate your ability to package upstream code [02:34] pick a piece of software you have a real interest in improving the package of, or which has not yet been pacakged for ubuntu [02:34] learn about the packaging system, and produce a package [02:34] get feedback from the existing maintainers [02:34] jdub: not totally :) [02:35] but yeah, no view anymore, less crappy code :) [02:35] seb128: it's so close :-) [02:35] queuetue: then, when it's good enough, it goes in and you get to upload packages to universe [02:35] after a while you may also get to upload to main [02:40] ?! how has a random console based app I alien'ed ended up linked to libarts... [02:41] hardlinked ? [02:41] or soft? [02:41] Mithrandir: FYI, I just modified sysklogd to run syslogd as normal user "syslog" instead of root [02:41] Mithrandir: do you see any problem with this? [02:41] Mithrandir: it opens the log files as root and then drops to user "syslog" [02:41] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) lifeless: unix filesystems have these things that are kinda like "short cuts" on windows === lifeless pfffft [02:43] lifeless: no, as in, 'when you run ldd, it shows the binary is linked to the libarts library' [02:44] elmo: perhaps it was part of some KDE project, and the build process involved linking against libarts for all binaries without further thinking? [02:44] aiee, OO.o has some sort of word-completion on-by-default? how satanic [02:44] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: who owns /var/log/syslog? [02:44] (thom/#ubuntu-devel) OOo is satanic [02:44] azeem: it's a RAID monitor/configuration program :P [02:44] Mithrandir: root [02:44] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) [02:44] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) haha [02:44] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: note that sysklogd rotates its own logs. [02:44] Mithrandir: that's the default and I don't want to chage it [02:44] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) thom: no shit. [02:44] elmo: with a qt-frontend? ;) [02:44] Mithrandir: oh, since when? [02:44] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: since forever.? [02:45] Mithrandir: I always had to add a stanza to /etc/logrotate.conf [02:45] and CLIPPY!! [02:45] RUN AWAY [02:45] elmo: garh [02:45] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) : tfheen@vawad ~ > grep messages /etc/logrotate.d/* [02:45] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) : tfheen@vawad ~ > === thom giggles [02:45] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: and I have rotated messages in /var/log [02:45] Mithrandir: my logs were never rotated on my box [02:46] Mithrandir: in logrotate.conf? [02:46] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: I don't have _anything_ touching files such as /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages in /etc on my unstable nor my warty box. [02:47] Mithrandir: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd [02:47] Mithrandir: that's doing it [02:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: ah, true. [02:48] Mithrandir: it calls "/etc/init.d/sysklogd reload-or-restart " [02:48] Mithrandir: I modified sysklogd's init script to really restart the daemon === martink [~mk793652@irz7142.inf.tu-dresden.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] Mithrandir: so this works [02:48] Mithrandir: I already checked that before === fabbione commits suicide [02:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: I thought it did it itself, but that ought to work, yes. [02:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: oh, why? [02:48] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: can I have your 4 monitors? [02:48] Mithrandir: I was more concerned about the fact that I write root files as normal suer [02:48] daniels: i swear... .. it installed by itself.. [02:48] Mithrandir: I don't see a problem with it right now, but I wanted to have a second opinion [02:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: it drops priviledges after it has opened the files? [02:48] daniels: AHHH XPRT ON MY DESKTOP [02:49] Mithrandir: yes, before it does not work :-) [02:49] bob2: forget it [02:49] ;) [02:49] Mithrandir: unless I change the postinst to do some chown magic, but I don't want that [02:49] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: hmm. [02:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah [02:49] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: have you talked with Joey about it? I don't see any big problem with it per se, at least. [02:49] Mithrandir: theoretically the syslogd user should be as hard to break as the root user [02:50] Mithrandir: not yet [02:50] Mithrandir: I will send him a patch, but Iwanted to have something working [02:50] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: I think it's a good idea [02:50] Mithrandir: btw, if we are at it [02:50] Mithrandir: I also tried to run klogd as nonroot [02:50] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: but it won't be able to reopen the files when they are rotated, so you have to restart it. [02:50] Mithrandir: yes, that's why I modified the init script [02:51] Mithrandir: I also documented that in the manpage [02:51] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) ok [02:51] Mithrandir: I tried to drop privs in klogd, too [02:51] fabbione: it's better than discovering someone INSTALLED XPRINT ON YOUR SERVER [02:51] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) but it blew up? [02:51] Mithrandir: it opens /proc/kmsg as root and then drops to user [02:51] Mithrandir: but then I get a permission denied if it reads from the file descriptor [02:51] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: sounds like a bug [02:52] Mithrandir: this works with normal files, but obviously not with files in /proc [02:52] Mithrandir: I thought that, too [02:52] Mithrandir: but it's hard to circumvent [02:52] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: fix the kernel? :) [02:52] Mithrandir: doesn't work for Debian, where half of the users run their own kernels [02:52] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) get the fix upstream, then. [02:52] Mithrandir: and I don't want to have it break on custom kernels, too [02:53] Mithrandir: still it will take a while until everybody has the fix [02:53] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) pitti: true enough [02:53] seriously, does anyone know how to disable OO.o's auto-word-complete insanity? it's driving me Krazy [02:55] elmo: please use #ubuntu for general support questions :p === pitti sings "Another root bites the dust" [02:55] elmo: hm, I got duplicate ACCEPTED notifications for xcompmgr [02:55] Mithrandir: thanks! [02:57] To: Daniel Stone , [02:57] Daniel Stone