=== cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.239] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [12:58] Cool web site: http://www.sorryeverybody.com/ :) === ChrisH [~chaas@212.12.58.114] has joined #ubuntu-doc === George^Deka [~chatzilla@203-173-44-118.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:20] arvo all [03:26] hi hornbeck [03:26] its been a while since i checked out the svn, i gather from the ML its all going really well [03:29] back to work now will lurk around for a while though === falco [~Jail@a212-113-181-115.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sivang [~sivang@80.179.82.159.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:40] Morning all === sid77 [~sid77@host100-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 ciao === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~enrico@84.222.39.232] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:30] hello ppl [11:31] could someone please explain me how to create a new faq entry in the wiki [im translating it in italian] ? [11:35] cenerentola: we are working on getting linguaPlone installed for local language support on the website in the Documentation section. [11:35] should i do it in a normal page? [11:35] cenerentola: on the wiki, simply log in and go to the Italian documentation section. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ItalianDocumentation [11:36] then? [11:38] cenerentola: check out: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DocumentHowto [11:38] and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HelpPage [11:38] for assistance. [11:39] lulu: halt... normal page or not? just this... i know where the help page are and where the documentation is... i wrote part of it [11:45] cenerentola: in the Italian section, you can create new pages by using the 'create new' page at the bottom of main wiki page. === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === George^Deka [~george@210.50.202.143] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:17] nite all [12:19] any apt pinning experts here, i want to apt pin firefox from hoary for warty [12:19] George^Deka: morning. :) [12:19] George^Deka: yes, a little... [12:20] George^Deka: add both sources in the sources.list [12:20] George^Deka: then set APT::Default-Release "warty" in the apt.conf [12:20] George^Deka: finally run "apt-get -t hoary install firefox" [12:21] George^Deka: you may also use pinning... but this one is more secure against misconfigurations [12:23] thanks ChrisH [12:23] i have an apt.conf.d that it ? [12:24] ChrisH : does it matter the order of the sources you put into the list? [12:24] sivang: nope... if you are not pinning or setting a default release apt will always use the newest version [12:24] sivang: you can find out with "apt-cache policy mozilla" for example [12:25] wow cool [12:25] ChrisH: i have an apt.conf.d that it ? [12:25] George^Deka: no... just create the /etc/apt/apt.conf if it's not there [12:26] yes you need to create the apt.conf file [12:33] thanks, not got some syntax error, extra jargon at end of file - saved it as unicode [12:42] fixed just needed a ; [12:43] :) === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs_ [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mercurus [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-94.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mercurus_ [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-104.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~enrico@84.222.39.180] has joined #ubuntu-doc === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sm-afk is now known as sm [07:08] plovs_work: ping === sm is now known as sm-reading [07:13] Que: I've just had Diogo ask where the Portugese Documentation has gone....https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PortugueseDocumentation. I'm a newbie at Zwiki - in recent changes, it looks as if it wasn't deleted. [07:14] could someone with more knowledge advise please? [07:18] hi lulu.. he deleted it, an hour ago [07:19] sm-reading: where did you find that :o) [07:20] I saw he added DocsParaProgramadores NEW [07:20] I'm subscribed to the wiki; I filtered my ubuntu-doc mail folder by "portuguese" :) [07:20] it's a translation for DevelopersDocumentation [07:21] you can also check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/recycle_bin/folder_contents [07:21] thirdly, you could look in the ZMI undo tab for the folder [07:21] it's there === sm-reading has solutions [07:22] but not associated to the FrontPage anymore? [07:22] how may it went there? [07:22] if he had renamed the page, the FrontPage link would have been updated [07:22] it seems to me that not [07:23] or if he had entered the new name as "replacement" in the delete form, the link would have been updated [07:23] but he just deleted it, so FrontPage needs to be updated manually [07:23] there is no replacement [07:23] it's a mistake [07:24] it should be put back [07:25] lulu, if you're logged in as manager you can click undo, I think you'll see the delete [07:25] that's the easiest way to undo [07:25] otherwise, copy from recycle_bin and paste back into /wiki [07:26] sm-reading: and falco: ahh ok....I think Diogo needs to learn too. I'll copy this and reply to his email. [07:26] thanks guys, for your help. [07:26] :o) [07:27] np [07:30] lulu: nb you wrote "in recent changes, it looks as if it wasn't deleted." - after being deleted, it shouldn't appear in rc and didn't for me - if you saw it, probably a caching glitch [07:31] sm-reading: correct - I didn't see it in recent changes. thanks :o) [07:31] sm-reading: why is it that deletions aren't shown? [07:32] ah, you expected to see it === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-138.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:32] our RC implementation isn't that smart [07:32] sm-reading: yup - as it's a change :o) [07:32] ahh...wiki wish list? [07:33] yes, I think it's there already [07:33] in the wishlist [07:33] thank you! :o) === sm-reading is now known as sm [07:43] sm: so to recover the page should it be reparented? [07:43] I'm not used to this wiki [07:43] it seems a bit alien [07:47] no, reparenting isn't involved here [07:47] so what should be made? [07:47] falco: to undelete a page, it must be moved out of the recycle_bin subfolder [07:48] how? [07:48] I don't know if you (a member) have permission for that [07:48] can you see the recycle bin (url above ?) do you see a copy button ? [07:48] I don't see a copu button [07:49] ok.. l will do it, one sec [07:50] *copy [07:50] done [07:50] were you logged in ? [07:51] yes [07:57] strange that I can.. I'm logged in as an ordinary member afaik [07:59] maybe I'm just looking in the rong place... [07:59] let me check again [08:01] no [08:01] I can't see it [08:03] I think that maybe there're to many restrictions in the wiki [08:03] night guys :o) === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:05] or maybe I'm just to used to other simpler wikis === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:50] falco: undelete is generally a manager feature [08:50] hi all [08:50] not really a priority for normal users - if you delete, it's assumed you meant to [08:50] hi plovs [09:33] Hello everyone. Did you get any mail today from ubuntu-doc? I haven't, and I know there should be at least one reply to a message of mine that should have gotten through === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:47] enrico: Yes, Nick Loeve has posted today. But it's matter of time zones. [09:47] Are we plannign the meeting? [09:47] (hi all) [09:48] Hi! [09:48] ChrisH: only that message, then? [09:48] sivang: [hi] I haven't sent in a time. But I have some meetings during the week that are very dynamic. So I can only see it the time is okay. [09:48] enrico: think so [09:48] ChrisH: ok, thanks [09:49] any time chosen already? === sivang off the the meeting page [09:50] ok, do we have a majority on a specific time? [09:50] I posted in the list about the times not really fitting together, and I had no answer except from plovs telling that he prefers tuesdays or fridays [09:51] I'm worried that people didn't understand my masterpiece of ascii-art timeline intersection graph... === adgf [~adgf@h00a0cc687033.ne.client2.attbi.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:51] enrico: I did. :) === enrico feels relieved :) [09:53] I'm also for fridays, [09:53] 16:00 utc [09:53] or bit earlier [09:54] ChrisH : hi [09:56] 16:00utc... darn [09:56] sivang: did you see my wonderful ascii-art mail? :) [09:56] btw... what is SABDFL an abbreviation for? [09:56] enrico : not yet :( I seem to not get it from my imap server..lemme check [09:57] ChrisH : Self Appointed Benovelent Dictator For Life [09:57] :) [09:57] or so the rumors say [09:57] :) [09:57] sivang: that's the official and confirmed expansion [09:57] enrico : really? since when? :) [09:58] sivang: uuuh, huh... wtf is "benovelent"? [09:58] Since one of mako's Traffics that mentioned it :) [09:58] !dict benevolent [09:58] Oh, no bot [09:58] supposed to be? [09:58] (bot) [09:58] Having a disposition to do good; possessing or manifesting [09:58] love to mankind, and a desire to promote their prosperity and [09:58] happiness; disposed to give to good objects; kind; [09:58] charitable. [09:58] sivang: some IRC channels have an IRC robot that replies to commands like that one [09:58] They may be handy [09:59] dpkg is amazing [09:59] I once talked hebrew into it, [09:59] it answered meaningfully :) [09:59] But then some people over at #debian told me that is' feeding off google in some intellegent way.. [09:59] My acronym expansion finder didn't find anything for "sabdfl", though. It's a bit too long for its database [09:59] Oh, that's smart! [10:00] do you think dpkg and the other bots are written in lisp? [10:00] sivang: dunno [10:00] I know of supybot, which is written in python [10:00] ah python....that snake again [10:00] :) [10:01] ChrisH: my acronym generator found an expansion for "Chris" [10:01] "Che ha ricercato il Signore" (he who looked for God), phrase found in the bible [10:01] "Che ha risuscitato il Signore" (he who resurrecred God), phrase found in the bible [10:02] enrico : The ASCII art got scrambled.. [10:02] enrico : using thunderbird [10:02] sivang: darn! [10:02] yes [10:02] sivang: try a fixed-width font.. [10:05] Hehe... what about "he who doesn't believe in god?". :) [10:09] ChrisH: oh, you can make "Che ha rinnegato il Signore": he who denied God === enrico loves his acrony finder [10:10] Nice... :) [10:10] 18 lines of perl including comments and empty lines [10:10] enrico: I remember I saw such a bullshit acronym generator on the web once. [10:10] ChrisH: Oh, I have something super [10:11] ChrisH: http://lento.uncasino.it/enrico/store/polygen_1.0.6.orig.tar.gz [10:11] I uploaded it to unstable today [10:11] You can download it and build the package (dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot) [10:11] Or, I can give you a web link [10:12] enrico: sounds like an eliza generator. [10:12] http://polygen.org/web/Payoff_II.522.0.html for M$-style payoffs [10:13] Unfortunately, the site is fully in italian [10:13] They had an English version, but they removed it [10:13] Be twice? [10:14] Don't move jungle? [10:14] *lol* [10:14] enrico : what is that? [10:14] They're going to add it again after the package hits unstable, I bet :) [10:14] sivang: the reverse of bison: you give it an EBNF grammar, and it generates randomly an instance of the language [10:14] wow [10:14] We can have a generator of FAQs: [10:14] Do you know how might I insert the 3D proxy to a login? [10:14] You should send the software of the SMTP provider of a cache over the tool but from Windows 9.4 or from the file inside Mac you should never get access over a parallel connection to turn off a serial icon. [10:15] Man, do you know how to delete from the kernel of the BIOS mousepad to a shell? [10:15] You should never download the tool to insert in a RO processor. [10:15] and so on... :) === sivang lost enrico [10:15] Cool. Make it subversion-capable and let's seize working on the book. It can do it alone. :) === ChrisH always wanted a 3D proxy [10:16] sivang: basically, it's a really advanced program that you can use to generate bullshit :) [10:16] what's a 3d proxy? [10:16] enrico: does it have a "microsoft bashes linux" or "sco sues torvalds" mode? Might be funny. [10:16] sivang: an automatically generated tecno-like silly thing [10:16] bison does th reverse? it takes the grammer and checks for valid phrases... [10:17] sivang: The output does not claim to make sense. It's just auto-bullshit. [10:17] ChrisH: it has various grammars, and it's farily easy to write a new one [10:17] I wrote a generator of social science papers: [10:17] Coddling a systematization: the prominent design to the tyrannical congress of congress. [10:17] The blanching of an accompanying: the operative disposition to the sound arrival of design. [10:17] A firm acting of scheme? Which future? [10:17] And so on :) [10:17] sivang: A grammar is used to define a language. If you want to parse a language you need a parser (like "bison"). The other way round you can have a program that wildly creates syntactically (not semantically = meaningful) sentences. [10:18] ChrisH : so I take the grammer which I normally feed into bison, and let a generator create random sentences that adhere that grammer rules? [10:19] sivang: yes, but it doesn't have the same input syntax as bison [10:19] sivang: it has an input syntax which is designed for support generating text, to control the probabilities of the different parts of the generated text and so on [10:19] enrico : EBNF <== is this how the bison grammer called? (or a general grammer for specifying ruls) [10:20] sivang: Extended Backus Naur Format [10:20] sivang: it's those grammars like: [10:20] animal := warthogs, hedgehog, groundhog [10:20] yes [10:20] Now I recall [10:20] adjective := warty, hoary, grumpy [10:20] ubuntu := adjective animal [10:20] ah actually it looks diffenet [10:20] sec. [10:21] (In polygen you can easily do things like matching the initials, thuogh :) [10:23] this is the lexical defitiontions? [10:24] sivang: the syntax definition [10:25] Maybe also the lexical definition, but I haven't used that term [10:25] this is what I worked with, this is fed into bison: [10:25] % [10:25] assignment : NAME '=' assignment [10:25] | NAME '=' exp [10:25] ; [10:25] exp : exp '+' exp [10:25] | exp '-' exp [10:26] | exp '*' exp [10:26] | exp '/' exp [10:26] | '-' exp %prec UMINUS [10:26] | NAME [10:26] (or at least, I let bison process this) [10:26] Yes, polygen takes something similar [10:26] ok [10:26] You would also need to tell what is an exp and all the possible instances of NAME [10:27] yes [10:27] and give a default value [10:27] default value? [10:27] if it doesn't match anything [10:27] Oh, it doesn't need to match: it just generates random text that fits in that grammar [10:28] So with that grammar you'd run it once and it'd tell you: [10:28] 3+5*1--3 [10:28] You run it another time and it'd tell you: [10:28] Ah I see, cool :) [10:28] pippo=2*9 [10:28] and so on :) [10:30] Does anyone know where the CD creator in Nautilus places the files? it seems to be broken here. [10:30] ChrisH : you need to tell it something, lemme check [10:32] sivang: I cancelled the creation of a CD/DVD an now I have an "unnamed folder" that cannot be renamed, removed or anything... [10:33] Now I don't even have a context menu. Something seems to be broken with it. [10:34] ChrisH : you [10:34] 've ALT+F2 : "nautilus-cd-creator" ? [10:34] and then chose "Open CD/DVD creatore" ? [10:35] ChrisH: else, install xdiskusage [10:35] ChrisH: or filelight [10:35] sivang: I know how to start it. But where does it collect the files to be burnt? [10:35] They tell you where disk space is consumed [10:35] ChrisH : it's supposed to be somewhere under you .gnome2 folder [10:36] I particularly like xdiskusage, as it's really tiny === boglot [~logbot@mentors.workaround.org] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:36] very very nice [10:37] enrico : xdiskusage [10:37] can't find it :( [10:37] filelight is much cooler, thuogh (but it uses kde) [10:38] ChrisH: can't find xdiskusage or the Nautilus file? [10:38] enrico: the place where the nautilus-cd-burner places the files... because I cannot use it any more [10:38] ChrisH: you can also use "find ~ -mmin 60" to see the files modified in the last hour [10:39] ChrisH : it's symlinks.. erghgh [10:39] it doesn not create real file IMHO [10:39] "killall nautilus" and it works again... weird [10:39] sivang: looks like it just create symlinks or something like that [10:40] ChrisH : ah! that's a know bug I think [10:40] if not someone should enter it to the bugzilla, [10:40] I got so used to killall nautils to show files I copied into the system [10:40] :) [10:42] enrico: find didn't find anything :) [10:44] ChrisH: are you sure that what you're looking for actually exists? [10:44] You can also find in /var [10:46] enrico: it's probably there... [10:47] enrico: perhaps it's just collecting file names in RAM and reading them directly during the iso mastering... no idea [11:15] Hell! The CD creator took up 500 MB of RAM and died! === __daniel [~daniel@td9091bd7.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:15] <__daniel> hai [11:15] ChrisH: RAM?? [11:15] <__daniel> does anyone of you have problems logging into the wiki, too? [11:15] That's crazy [11:16] __daniel: I'm trying [11:16] ChrisH : nautilus is still nowhere stable [11:16] __daniel: the server has terminated sending data [11:16] <__daniel> thanks enrico [11:16] <__daniel> enrico: damn :-( [11:17] <__daniel> enrico: just wanted to add a cool idea to it [11:18] sivang: Indeed. I should have stayed on KDE. [11:18] __daniel: post it to the list :) [11:18] <__daniel> enrico: i was told to put it on the wiki first :-) [11:19] __daniel: but since that failed, go for the second option ;) [11:19] <__daniel> enrico: i'll have to wait... it seems [11:19] ChrisH : still, I don't think I will go back to KDE [11:19] GNOME is far more inntuutive and automagical to me then KDE, especially in simple everyday tasks [11:20] __daniel : what's the idea? :) [11:20] sivang: somehow when I logged in a week ago the top panel disappeared. I needed to recreate it. Nothing was in there. When I added the menu I got two menus. And now it takes up to a minute before the top bar shows up. [11:20] <__daniel> sivang: suggest thesises and projects for students to enhance ubuntu :-) [11:21] sivang: With Gnome it feels like I need to remove my .gnome2* stuff every week to be stable :( [11:21] <__daniel> sivang: sabdfl liked it :-) [11:21] __daniel : very nice ! can non students participate? :) [11:21] <__daniel> sivang: of course! :-) [11:21] ChrisH : Strange, I didn't bump into nothing like that, the worse I get, a decent killall or login in out fixes it.. [11:22] <__daniel> sivang: i was in a (constitutive) meeting of a unix working group on my university today and most would like to help out and do their thesis about it, but wouldn't know where to start, so i had the idea [11:23] <__daniel> sivang: they'd devote 2*6 months of time :-) [11:23] Thesises are super-powerful things! [11:23] <__daniel> :-) [11:24] <__daniel> didnt know if the plural of thesis would even exist :-) [11:24] So it'd be like a service to tell people what they could do? [11:24] __daniel : I've always wanted to get in uni, still hasn't yet :) [11:24] <__daniel> or make sure they know , they COULD do a change :-) [11:25] __daniel : that's very nice, how can someone not a student help out? [11:26] <__daniel> sivang: they could check that site too [11:26] <__daniel> i'm no ubuntu official, so i dont know [11:27] <__daniel> sivang: i just started my uni project on something i always wanted [11:27] __daniel : what is it? :) [11:27] <__daniel> sivang: a library for applications to make it possible to save user preferences on a server [11:28] __daniel : users preferences in the library? [11:28] <__daniel> to not having to copy config files around [11:29] <__daniel> if i finished it, apps can save/load the user preferences to/from the server [11:29] <__daniel> :-) === enrico would love __daniel [11:29] Oh nice [11:29] <__daniel> it's just an idea... don't know if ANYONE would implement in their app :-) [11:29] <__daniel> coolest thing would be to hack up gconf to use it ;-) [11:29] <__daniel> but that's not part of the thesis ;-) [11:30] <__daniel> i'm glad my professor liked the idea [11:30] something liek domain controller? Please correct me if I'm wrong, don't redhat uses some kind of std unix tool to move around (roam) user profiels in a fedora session? [11:31] <__daniel> well i didnt want to move files around or sniff on registry changes [11:31] <__daniel> so now, it's just the library you add to your project and it'll work on linux/windows/... (when it's finished ;-)) [11:32] <__daniel> well that's the general idea... ;-) [11:32] wow nice === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:32] hi plovs [11:32] <__daniel> hai plovs [11:55] hi plovs [11:56] <__daniel> the ubuntu.com webserver guy isnt here, is he/she? :-) [11:56] __daniel: no, but you can tell me and I can try and ask in #ubuntu-devel [11:56] (or you can ask in #ubuntu-devel if you are into that channel) [11:57] <__daniel> i asked if some of them also had the problem, but they didn't respond [11:57] <__daniel> enrico: but maybe they'll listen to you ;-) [11:58] __daniel: I tried: let's see what happen [12:00] ah reply! [12:00] :) [12:00] Hi sivang! [12:00] Hey Hoodster! Whassup dude? [12:00] <__daniel> :-)