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Matt|Mark1, most use gnome i think12:01
hjklNewComer: check out zidrav.12:01
hjkls0cks:you should start some type of anti the wrong use of the word "hack" society, start with writing to all major news networks12:01
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Matt|such a societ probably already exists12:02
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s0ckslol. It's just stupid really.12:02
IchaBOBanyone see anything wrong with my fstab?12:02
NewComerhjkl, excuse me12:02
Mark1s0cks: i've written you before, and you tend to know wayyyy too much about linux12:03
Mark1s0cks: i was wondering if i should install a firewall for ubuntu12:03
Mark1s0cks: because i recall reading that you apparently dont need to install one at all12:03
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Matt|Mark1, test yourself out on a website12:03
Mark1Matt|: already did, and it looked ok12:04
Mark1i.e. no one could see my computer12:04
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Matt|Mark1, then you're fine :)12:04
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dieseldoes ubuntu not have the ifconfig command12:04
Matt|diesel, yup12:04
JLSim looking for some Gnoppix support12:04
Matt|JLS, not really the right place :))12:05
dieselMatt|, yup it has it or no it does not have it12:05
JLSI burnt the ISO to cd, put it in my drive, it starts to load, then the screen just goes black and stays black12:05
Matt|diesel, it does12:05
JLSany ideas?12:05
dieselMatt|, whereis ifconfig returns command not found12:05
Matt|diesel, weird. Have you tried /sbin/ifconfig?12:05
Mark1Matt|: i clicked on the link and of course there is a "computer name" but that's about it.  should i be worried12:06
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Matt|Mark1, nope12:06
JLScan anyone help me?12:06
Matt|JLS, you could try burning the cd slower maybe. Not sure12:06
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Mark1matt: thanks, just double checking..12:07
JLSthe cd's fine12:07
Mark1Matt: do you use GNOME or KDE?12:07
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Matt|JLS, i've heard some issues with the cd when burned faster than 4x12:07
Matt|Mark1, gnome12:07
Gmailnatulias is b0rken12:07
Mark1matt: thanks, i was considering moving to kde12:07
JLSim using TDK 48x expensive CD-R cds12:08
dieselMatt|, no such file or directory12:08
Matt|JLS, it's not the cds, i think it is a bug with the iso12:08
Matt|diesel, what have you done to your system?12:08
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ubuntu-geekso the link to the forums is spam? :)12:09
Matt|i thought the topic is op only12:10
ubuntu-geekyeah me to.. .. shrug.. i guess the forums are considered spam to him..12:11
Matt|Gmail, you don't like the forums?12:11
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JLSive got it working12:12
JLSI did an advanced boot12:12
Matt|JLS, cool what was wrong12:12
Matt|hi joh12:12
Matt|hi Johansson12:12
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JLSno idea12:13
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JLSI just went to the boot menu12:13
Matt|i didn't know gnoppix was based on ubuntu12:13
JLSduring the splash screen12:13
JLSand selected advanced boot12:13
JLSand it worked12:13
GmailMatt|: i am not alking about the forums i was talking about the "also #triathlon" part12:13
Matt|Gmail, ok12:13
dieselMatt|, this is not on my machine, my sisters.  How do I invoke a remote desktop session?12:13
JLSthis thing looks like such a rip of osx.. couldnt they think of something original lol12:13
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Matt|Gmail, isn't the topic only accessible to ops?12:14
ubuntu-geekguess not :)12:14
Johanssoni wanna make a little suggestion, should i say it here, or in some forum or email address?12:14
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Johanssonit's about firefox in ubuntu12:15
Hikaru79You should probably post it on the Wiki12:15
Hikaru79But say it here anyway, we're curious =)12:15
Pluk:) indeed12:15
Johanssoni'm gonna post it on the wiki12:16
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JLSI can open all the programs, but none of the open office ones work12:16
JLSany ideas?12:16
Johanssonit's just that would be great if firefox comes with the gnome theme12:16
Johanssonit blends perfectly with gnome12:16
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Pluklol: As a convenience, for the unlucky people that use or have to use Windoze, here are the GNOME-Fx themes for Windows to get you at least a bit of the GNOME look.12:17
ImmeR^I have asked once, but I cannot find a solution.. I have just installed ubuntu on my laptop, but cannot make any mouse work. Not even my touchpad. Anyone have an idea for a solution?12:17
Matt|yeah that theme is good, but it is easy to add12:17
hypa7iaImmeR^: you probably need to install the synaptics touchpad drivers12:18
dieselAnyone know how to invoke a remote desktop session?12:18
ImmeR^Where do I get those?12:18
JLSwhy cant I run the openoffice programs?12:18
hypa7iaImmeR^: not to be confused with Synaptics, the front-end for apt... which is where you get them i think12:18
Johanssoni don't know how difficult would be to ship firefox with a different default theme12:18
hypa7iaImmeR^: i'll check, just a sec.12:18
Matt|JLS, not sure. Have you got plenty of ram?12:18
Johanssonbut the gnomefx theme is just perfect for a gnome-based distribution12:19
Matt|diesel, in the menu, choose, internet, and gnome-terminal-server or something12:19
Plukits a little blurry used with small icons12:19
JLS128 on the laptop im trying it on12:19
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Plukthats why they use the default i guess12:19
hypa7iaImmeR^: you need the package xfree86-driver-synaptics :-)12:20
ImmeR^okay.. could U help me installing it?12:20
dieselDoes ubuntu have ssh installed?12:21
JohanssonPluk: yes, but it's great with normal icons12:21
hypa7iaImmeR^: sure, pm me when you have it downloaded :-)12:21
Johanssoni don't use small icons12:21
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Hikaru79Johansson, hey, you're right =) I just installed it, looks good!12:21
Pluklemme try the simple version of it12:21
PorscheBoydoes kde 3.3.1 support .svg icons?12:21
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Pluksimple is blurry too :(, good thing i have my default icons :P12:22
PorscheBoyhey Pluk, does kde 3.3 support .svg icons?12:23
JLSI still cant get the office programs running.. any ideas for anything I could try?12:23
Plukdunno PorscheBoy, im not familiar with kde12:23
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Matt|JLS, maybe not enough ram12:24
PlukJLS, what if you  start oowriter from console?12:25
Plukterminal i mean12:25
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JLSif I type that in the terminal, I get cdrom activity12:27
JLSbut nothing happens12:27
Matt|JLS, i think that 128 ram is a bit too little to run the live disk, AND openoffice together12:27
Plukcould take a very long time to load12:28
Plukor infinite time :P12:28
Matt|i guess the live cd can't get swap space sorted12:28
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JLSi cant get on the internet12:30
Matt|JLS, how do you connect normally?12:30
JLSI can access my router config page, so I know the network is working12:30
JLSthrough a router12:30
Debbiehi all sorry to be a bother but I was referred to ubuntu by a friend. I am a newbie linux user and was told to partition my hard drive to put ubuntu on one part and keep windows on other. Will ubuntu do this automatically for me?12:30
ImmeR^hypa7ia: Are U there?12:30
JLSbut when I try to go on a normal website it says 'could not be found'..12:31
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Plukprolly a dns problem12:31
hypa7iayup ImmeR^ :-)12:31
Plukwhat does cat /ets/resolv.conf say?12:31
kapputuhi everyone12:31
kapputuwhat's new with ubuntu12:31
Plukhiya kapputu12:31
ImmeR^I dont know how to pm without having a mouse ;)12:32
hypa7iaDebbie: not exactly, you need to resize the windows partition first :-/12:32
Debbieis there someplace to go and readup on how to do this or a walkthrough or something12:32
JLSpluk - how do I find that12:33
kapputufirefox takes a lot of time to resolve ips12:33
kapputuespecially if i just say domain_name.domain12:33
kapputuwithout the www12:33
JLSit just instantly says not found12:34
JLSfor google.com12:34
Matt|JLS, can you ping it?12:34
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Matt|ImmeR^, type /query nickname12:34
JLShow do you ping in this12:34
Debbiesorry lost page for minut12:35
Matt|JLS, open terminal, type ping google.com12:35
JLSunknown host google.com12:35
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Pluknow try ping
Debbiehypa7ia: where can i learn to do this with my hard drive please?12:36
hypa7iaDebbie: just a sec, i'll have a look :-)12:37
JLSthat ping seems to be working12:37
hypa7iaDebbie: what version of windows?12:37
Plukthen its a dns problem12:37
Matt|JLS, cat /etc/resolv.conf12:37
Debbiehypa7ia: xp12:37
JLSwhat does that mean12:38
JLShow do I open that12:38
Matt|JLS, type "cat /etc/resolv.conf"12:38
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JLSwell nothing happens12:38
JLSif I type that12:39
JLSin the termianl12:39
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Matt|nothing at all?12:40
hypa7iaDebbie: do you know if it's NTFS or FAT32 by any chance?12:43
Plukthen indeed you cant resolv hostnames to ips cuz your computer  doesnt know the dns ips12:43
JLSwhy is that12:43
Plukdo you get ip throughh dhcp or static?12:43
JLSmy ip address is static12:43
kenthypa7ia, Debbie, cant partition magic resize ntfs ?12:43
hypa7iakent, Debbie yup, or QtParted12:43
nevyndo not use qtparted12:43
Pluktype "sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf"12:43
hypa7ianevyn: what then?12:43
nevynit's unsupported by the parted maintainer :(12:43
Plukand add your providers dns servers12:43
Plukmine says something like:12:43
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Pluksearch ipact.nl12:43
Plukoh wait12:43
hypa7iaDebbie: unfortunately, ubuntu can't resize ntfs partitions, so you're going to have to work around that..12:43
Pluktype sudo network-admin12:43
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Plukand in the dns tab add the dns server12:43
Debbieut oh how do i do that? hypa7ia12:43
JLSwill try12:43
Plukgood luck :)12:43
hypa7ianevyn: any other suggestions for what Debbie can use to repartition?12:43
Plukpartition magic?12:43
Matt|can he edit his resolv.conf on a live cd?12:44
Plukah darn! forgot about the livecd12:44
hypa7iaPluk: partition magick is rather non-free12:44
Plukdunno bout a linux app for resizing ntfs12:44
nevynhypa7ia: parted ntfsresize tho that's a bit scary.12:44
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(mjr/#ubuntu) http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html12:45
nevynlots of things exist for re-sizing ntfs most of them are scary tho.12:45
Debbiebetter off just getting 2nd hard drive maybe?12:45
Matt|vfat partition for sharing12:45
hypa7iaDebbie: probably, or reinstlaling XP on a smaller partition12:45
hypa7iaDebbie: that's what i did12:45
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Debbieso during reinstall how do iget in to mandate partition size?12:46
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hypa7iaDebbie: when reinstalling, you get to the point where you have to choose a partition... delete the one that's there and make a smaller one, and just leave the rest of the space free12:47
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Debbiethen will ubuntu ask where to install after done with windows?12:47
hypa7iaand you just make partitions in the free space12:49
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wildcodeMy ubuntu install was missing /etc/networks ... because it was missing, I was getting persistant dns failures (but not everytime the network went up), just thought someone would want to know so it can be fixed (in warthog release and what ever package upgrade effects it)12:49
hypa7iahow big is the drive Debbie?12:49
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hypa7iaooh, nice :-)12:49
ramzezhi, anyone using laptops here and can help me perhaps?12:49
Debbieso half and half i was thinking12:50
hypa7iaDebbie: make a 5-10 gig / partition, and a big /home12:50
Matt|erm you may need em early in the drive in order to boot12:50
hypa7iathat way if you hose something in the install or later on, you don't have to back up home12:50
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Debbielost me sorry12:51
Matt|make a big vfat partition you can share with both windows and ubuntu12:51
Matt|and put ubuntu and windows early in the drive12:51
Debbiehow do I vfat the drive?12:52
hypa7iaMatt|: i'd think that grub can handle wherever Debbie puts the linux partition...12:52
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hypa7iaDebbie: when you make the partition with the windows installer, you can choose12:52
Matt|i thought it had to be in the first 8 GB or something12:52
Debbiewhether vfat or ntfs?12:52
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Pugiodoes anyone know when the Dist CD's will ship? I really want to try ubuntu but I can't DL:(12:53
Matt|Debbie, vfat is good because both linux and windows can read and write fine from it12:53
wildcodeMatt|, I have ubuntu at the very last 20gig of the 80gig slave drive on ide0 and it works fine ... linux don't care about where it is, only windows does12:53
(mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, wildcode, older BIOSes have had such limits12:53
Matt|wildcode, oh cool thanks12:53
ramzezso nobody runs it on laptop and can't help me?12:53
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Matt|ramzez, i use a laptop what is the prob?12:54
(mjr/#ubuntu) ramzez, perhaps if you told us what the actual problem is12:54
Debbieok just to make sure I have things straight... Rerun windows install and make the drive vfat and only give windows part of patition, then install ubuntu?12:54
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ramzezsorry :-)12:54
Matt|Debbie, nope hang on.12:55
Debbieok sorry to be such a pain12:55
(mjr/#ubuntu) Debbie, you don't really want to use vfat for the install if you can avoid it;12:56
(mjr/#ubuntu) rather make a third vfat partition for data files that you need to access read/write from both systems if you need it12:57
Matt|Debbie, you _could_ make 3 partitions. 1 - windows (ntfs) 2 - ubuntu (ext3) 3 - sharing space (vfat)12:57
ramzezi run cpu freq monitor and running on batteries but the speed jumps from 132mhz to 1083, i have 800mhz cpu and was wondering how to check that power saving works?12:57
DebbieLet me put it this way am a newbie and need most user friendly was of trying this please :)12:57
hypa7iaramzez: is your lappy a centrino?12:57
hypa7iaDebbie: i know the feeling, it's frustrating to have to go throught the reinstlal and all :-/12:57
Matt|ramzez, sounds like the chip is not compatible12:57
ramzezit is p3 coopermine12:57
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Hikaru79What's that line that returns your kernel version again?12:57
(mjr/#ubuntu) (if I was Debbie, I'd try to resize with ntfsresize, but that's just me, and she'd probably have to get a boot disk with the software on it and it'd get nontrivial)12:57
Matt|ramzez, not supported by cpu_freq to my knowledge12:57
Debbiethat odes not scare me I hard copy all the files I need anyhow. Just worried about once I start the procedure will have no way of getting online for help12:57
Matt|uname -a12:57
ramzezi c, so does bios settngs for power effect linux ?12:58
Matt|ramzez, nope but certain processors do not support speed stepping12:58
hypa7iaramzez: yes.... you might need to install speedstep-coppermine i think12:58
runixdanyone had problems with retrieving pop mail with evolution?12:59
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hypa7iarunixd: hoary or warty?01:00
ramzezis how can i find it?01:00
runixdhave problems with both01:00
jesstacan anyone give me an idea of the size of a default install of warty?01:00
runixdfind what ramzez?01:00
ramzezi just installed cpufreq from synaptic it says in description it is speedstep applet clone01:01
runixdjessta, 2 gig should be enough01:01
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) 1.3gb01:01
Plukjessta, i thought it was 1.2 gb01:01
Matt|runixd, works fine here01:02
runixdramzez, why there is cpufreq applet in ports01:02
farruinnDoes the install size vary for powerpc?  I installed just last week and am at 3.4 GB...01:02
runixdMatt|, thanx it worked for me also, getting I/O errors now01:02
Matt|ramzez, try and check if your processor supports speedstepping, i'm not sure it does01:02
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ramzezit does supports in windows01:02
runixdfarruinn, it shouldn't, sudo apt-get clean01:02
Matt|ramzez, how do you know?01:03
farruinnrunixd, good point01:03
runixdMatt|, df -h ?01:03
ramzezcause i there is an intel applet which shows you the current cpu and speedstep driver in windows works01:03
runixdramzez, speedstep works for me here, together with cpufreq daemon and driver01:04
ramzezit is my 2nd day with linux01:04
ramzezhow do i start the deamon for cpufreq?01:04
runixdramzez, /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start01:04
runixdits not there on default tho, afaik01:05
runixdsudo apt-get install cpufreqd01:05
ramzezwhat driver you were talking about?01:05
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runixdthe one from 2.6 kernel01:06
(mjr/#ubuntu) simple01:06
jesstathanks runixd and Pluk01:06
runixdPowernowd is too tricky01:06
(mjr/#ubuntu) tricky?01:06
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ramzezit looks like it started, how can i check?01:06
runixdI don't want all the fancy management and jumps when I'm plugged in for example01:06
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runixdramzez, cat /proc/cpufreq01:07
runixdramzez, or you can add gnome applet01:07
(mjr/#ubuntu) bah, finicky :01:07
runixdright click on the bar, "add to panel"01:08
runixdyou'll see it there01:08
Matt|ramzez, right click on your panel, and add the applet01:08
ramzezCPu Frequency Scaler?01:09
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ramzezhmm, weird, if i do /proc/cpuinfo01:09
ramzezit tells me current speed 65001:09
ramzezwhich is correct01:10
ramzezcause i am running on batteries01:10
ramzezbut if i do /proc/cpufreq01:10
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ramzezit doesn't have any frequencies at all01:10
runixd<ramzez> hmm, weird, if i do /proc/cpuinfo01:10
runixd<ramzez> but if i do /proc/cpufreq01:10
runixdI see01:11
runixdcpuinfo has nothing to do with it01:11
ramzezalso the applet in gnome doesn't show correct freq01:11
runixdits loaded somewhere around beginning01:11
runixdit does01:12
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ImmeR^hypa7ia: Didn't catch it last time..01:12
runixdcpufreq is probably not written to by cpufeqd01:12
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hypa7iaImmeR^: pardon?01:13
ramzezif i put back the power and cpuinfo still shows 65001:13
ImmeR^hypa7ia: How to pm ;)01:13
hypa7iaramzez: i know for mine i had to disable scaling in the bios01:13
runixdcpuinfo is not dealing with frequency01:13
hypa7iaImmeR^: /msg01:13
ramzezi c, maybe that's the case01:14
ramzezdo i need to add cpufreqd to modules to run?01:14
runixdramzez, it should be added by apt-get01:14
ramzezok thanks, let me just restart and disable it in bios, and see what happens01:15
runixdso everyone is happily checking their email with evolution01:16
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hypa7iarunixd: yup, sorry i can't help... can you maybe file a bug on it?01:17
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runixdhmm, that'll take to long I guess01:17
billytwowillyrunixd,  I love evolution, except that it displays emails in the junk folder as being in the inbox...01:17
runixdyeah, I love it for v-folders, but it ain't working is not helping01:18
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ramzezrunixd, on startup it says no cpufreq interface found01:21
ramzezwhat that means?01:21
Lovechildramzez, means your cpu can't scale cpu speed according to load01:21
ramzezso anything i can do about it?01:22
runixdramzez, just remove cpufreq module from loading01:22
Lovechildit's a harmless message, aside ignoring it, removing the module or buying another computer.. no01:23
ramzezso i can't get speedstep?01:23
j1hi everybody01:23
runixdI thought you just disabled cpu scaling01:23
Lovechildnot unless your computer supports it01:23
Lovechildrunixd, that might be the case01:23
ramzezmy computer indeed supports it01:23
Lovechildj1, hi01:23
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socommBy computer I assume you mean processor.01:24
Lovechildramzez, then file a bug with ubuntu and the devs might figure out the problem01:24
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ramzezok thanks for the help01:25
runixdramzez, enable cpuscaling, install cpufreqd01:25
runixdinstall gnome cpufreq applet (enable it) it shows correct speed01:26
runixdbut I believe cpufreqd is not what ubuntu suggests01:26
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runixdpowernowd has (to my taste) fucked up scaling policy, but is I think default01:27
runixdfor ubuntu01:27
runixdand supports both power now and speedstep01:28
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Gmailis resolvconf broken?01:31
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mazzabrok. newbie question again.01:33
mazzabrI can't install xmms using apt-get.01:33
ramzezi believe i have all of it installed now so i have: acpi, acpid, acpi-support, cpudyn,cpufreqd,powermgmt-base, powernowd, gnome applet01:33
s0cksuse apt-get01:33
runixdGmail, no, why?01:33
mazzabrroot@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get install xmms01:33
mazzabrE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)01:33
mazzabrE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?01:33
ramzezanything else i need?01:33
runixdmazzabr, sudo apt-get install xmms01:33
mazzabrthat's not the right output.01:34
mazzabrroot@bloodwarz:~ #  apt-get install xmms01:34
mazzabrReading Package Lists... Done01:34
mazzabrBuilding Dependency Tree... Done01:34
mazzabrPackage xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.01:34
mazzabrThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or01:34
mazzabris only available from another source01:34
mazzabrE: Package xmms has no installation candidate01:34
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runixdramzez, you have far too much allready, should be fine01:34
runixdmazzabr, apt-cache search xmms01:34
ramzezok, let me restart ones more01:34
mazzabrrunixd, : lots of stuff.01:35
kenI just installed xmms by synaptic01:35
farruinnmazzabr apt-cache search xmms | grep xmms maybe01:35
Gmailrunixd: err i i broke it then01:35
mazzabrfarruinn, : almost the same amount.01:36
mazzabrbut no plain flat xmms.01:36
runixdmazzabr, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install xmms01:36
mazzabrrunixd, : I have updated yesterday. but I'll try again.01:36
runixdtry now01:37
mazzabrrunixd, : update ok01:37
mazzabrroot@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get install xmms01:37
mazzabrReading Package Lists... Done01:37
mazzabrBuilding Dependency Tree... Done01:37
mazzabrPackage xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.01:37
mazzabrThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or01:37
mazzabris only available from another source01:37
mazzabrE: Package xmms has no installation candidate01:37
mazzabrrunixd, : install, the same.01:37
runixdthats wierd01:37
runixdtry to install a plugin, which depends on it01:37
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mazzabrI'm accessing these repositories.01:38
runixdI know what the problem is01:38
runixdenable universe01:38
mazzabrroot@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get update01:38
mazzabrHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages01:38
mazzabrHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release01:38
mazzabrHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources01:38
mazzabrHit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release01:38
mazzabrReading Package Lists... Done01:38
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mazzabrrunixd, : AFAIK it's already enabled :o/01:38
runixdmazzabr, I'll give you my sources, maybe your mirror is outdated or smth01:39
ramzezi am back, it again said no cpu freq interface found01:39
mazzabr http://archive.ubuntu.com outdated?01:39
runixdit has to be, i just installed it01:40
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Gmailmazzabr: warty is frozzen01:41
farruinnis xmms actually in universe?  I just did a apt-cache show xmms and it just says section sound...01:41
Gmailmazzabr: sorry01:41
Gmailmazzabr: you need to refresh your list it looks dead01:42
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Gmailmazzabr: there are 2 way the first way is the safe way and the second way is the quick way01:42
Gmailmazzabr: comment out all sources.list01:43
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Gmaildo apt-get update01:43
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Gmailthen undo the edit outs in sources.list01:43
Gmailand apt-get update01:43
siimohi can i install ubuntu without X and gnome?01:44
runixdjust do expert install01:44
flammy swedish characters get all weird when i smbmount.. but they look ok when I look at them in nautilus with smb://share/.. i've tried with the options iocharset and codepage for smbmount, but it doesn't work. anyone have a clue?01:44
Gmailapt really need to check after a apt-get update if the list is dead/broken or not01:44
siimoas i plan to upgrade to hoary after i install so its better to just get xorg and gnome from there ?01:44
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Gmailsiimo: do a real install then01:45
Gmailand you can upgrade after you got xfree working01:45
siimoGmail, what real install? can i install hoary directly?01:45
Gmailyou will have no errors01:45
Gmailsiimo: DONT01:45
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Gmailsiimo: just install all of warty and if you know howto fiz a broken system then change in sources.list to hoary and upgrade01:46
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Gmailit will do it all for you01:46
jdubsiimo: install all of warty and upgrade.01:46
Gmailthen restart x and you will be in xorg01:46
piyrhi, i have ubuntu Warty and i want to install a pdf->html converter01:47
piyralso i'm a noob01:47
siimojdub, is there a reason why i should do that?01:47
Gmailjdub: yes now bob2 has to tell siimo that then siimo will liston01:47
Gmailsiimo: YES!!!01:47
mazzabrGmail, : solved thanx to runixd01:47
Gmailjust do it that way01:47
piyri downloaded one but it says I need gcc01:47
piyri tried apt-get install gcc01:48
GmailPitr: why not apt-get install one?01:48
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piyrhow can i find one that way?01:48
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jdubsiimo: it's easier to upgrade01:48
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piyri found one on sourceforge01:48
ramzezthere is a speedstep driver inside /lib/modules/ how can i load it01:48
siimoGmail, you didnt make any sense01:48
cardadorpiyr: have you tried using synaptic to find stuff?01:48
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jdubsiimo: you could just do a 'custom' warty install, and then install ubuntu-desktop under hoary though.01:49
mike998I have a lost partition on my hard-drive - anybody got any idea on how I could get my ubuntu install to see it again01:49
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tyranohi ;O01:49
tyranowhy is root logged in twice ;O01:49
piyrcardador: no, i don't know what that is, but i'll google it01:49
Gmailsiimo: you noticed that what i said wasn't address to you that why it makes no sence01:49
farruinnmike998, lost as in not in fstab anymore perhaps?01:49
Gmailtyrano: because you mess with your system?01:49
mike998farruinn: no, it's not in fstab any more01:50
jdubsiimo: when you boot the warty installer, type 'custom' at the boot prompt01:50
jdubsiimo: that'll just install the base system01:50
tyranotyrano@rekon:~ $ who01:50
tyranotyrano   :0           Nov 23 16:4701:50
tyranotyrano   pts/0        Nov 23 19:39 (:0.0)01:50
jdubsiimo: then upgrade to hoary, and install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package01:50
piyrofftopic -- is there an irc command for replying to the last person who gave you a chat message? (e.g. name: prefix)01:50
cardadorpiyr: no need to google it :) its on computer > syst conf > synaptic01:50
mike998farruinn: the lost partition was there the first time I booted ubuntu, but I have rebooted since and now it's gone01:51
farruinnmike998, what type of filesystem01:51
Gmailjdub: you forgot to tell him apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and that there is no root01:51
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cardadorpiyr: you can use it to find, install, uninstall software01:51
jdubGmail: i'm sure he can figure out what to do.01:51
mike998farruinn: fat (more than likely fat 16)01:51
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_Imanewbie_night folks01:52
Gmailjdub: then he cound of figured out howto do a custom install it say it in f7 when booting the cd01:52
_Imanewbie_how can i add linux packages as a repository fir ubuntu?01:52
farruinnok, so you probably want something like /dev/hd**  /mnt/wherever vfat user,auto 0 001:52
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mike998farruinn: I have tried using sudo and mounting the drive (it was originally /dev/hdb) but it's not there any moer01:53
piyrhelp /r01:53
cardador_Imanewbie_: normally you wont need to.01:53
Cloudchaserhello folks...i just installed ubuntu ;) I have a question though01:53
Cloudchaseri'm trying to install some packages..using an FAQ01:54
Cloudchaserand i get error:01:54
farruinnmike998, have you tried specifying the specific partition?01:54
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farruinnmike998, and what error does it give you?01:54
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Cloudchaserroot@ubuntu:/home/mross # sudo apt-get install gFTP Client01:54
CloudchaserReading Package Lists... Done01:54
CloudchaserBuilding Dependency Tree... Done01:54
CloudchaserE: Couldn't find package Client01:54
Cloudchaseri uncomment universe from sources.list01:55
farruinnCloudchaser, try just gftp01:55
housetieryou can use "gftp client" when doing "apt-cache search"01:55
mike998farruinn: mount:special device dev/hdb does not exist...  This is also true if I try to use /dev/hdb1 as well01:55
_Imanewbie_cardador: I want it to upgrade to mozilla-firefox 1.001:55
tvon|x31Anyone know where X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h has gone in Hoary?01:55
cardadorCloudchaser: its much easier if you use synaptic. its on computer > syst conf > synaptic01:55
housetierhowever when installing a package with "apt-get install" you need to use package names01:55
farruinnmike998, what does ls /dev/hdb* tell you?01:55
jdubGmail: i was providing an overview of a recommended method to install hoary. please chill out.01:55
mike998farruinn: I have also checked dmesg and it's not there01:55
piyrcardador: thanks for the synaptic tip -- both dselect and synaptic give only packages for converting pdf to .ps and to .txt, not html.01:56
mike998farruinn: I get a no such file or directory...01:56
Gmailjdub: why not give a fornighter broken image?01:56
mike998I have also tried using the ubuntu install program to see if the partition is there, and I can see it there.01:56
Cloudchaserah thank you...the faq is misleading01:56
mike998just not when I am running my installed system01:56
farruinnmike998, right, see what's happened is the block device file has been deleted01:57
jdubGmail: we have install CDs for hoary, but they are not useful at the moment.01:57
mike998farruinn : checking google now...01:57
piyrcardador: would it make sense to install gcc using synaptic so that i can compile the pdf->html program i found on sourceforge?01:57
farruinnmike998, you need to use mknod to create a new block device01:57
farruinnthis is odd though because I've never heard of this happening before01:57
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mike998farruinn: Neither have I - It is rather frustrating01:58
jdubpiyr: install build-essential01:58
cardadorpiyr: yes01:58
Gmailjdub: that why i said BROEKN01:58
cardadorpiyr: normally you should use synaptic to install everything01:58
jdubGmail: i have no idea what your question meant, then.01:58
farruinnmike998, sorry I'm not much help at this point =(  I've never had to create a new block device01:59
flamanyone successfully smbmounted a drive and are able to see swedish(or other unusual) characters ?01:59
mike998farruinn: that's okay - the pointer you gave me should help01:59
farruinnmike998, the mknod manual is at info mknod01:59
piyrcardador: ok, so using synaptic to install build-essential will install g++?  And I should only compile the programs myself in cases like this where there is apparently no package?01:59
_Imanewbie_how can I changes the sources.list?02:00
farruinn_Imanewbie_, sudo grep /etc/apt/sources.list02:00
farruinner, change grep to ...02:00
farruinnok, or vim if you're comfortable02:01
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cardadorpiyr: yes and yes :)02:01
piyrcardador: ok, thanks for helping the noobs :)02:02
cardadorpiyr: and before you compile it, you can check if there are debs from debian availabe02:02
piyrcardador: is there a command under computer-> for doing that too?02:03
cardadorpiyr: i do it on firefox, on the search applet, just change from google to debian :)02:04
piyrcardador: ok thanks i'll look02:04
tyranoi dont think my speedstep is working correctly :|02:05
_Imanewbie_can I add linux pacjages as a ubuntu repos?02:05
_Imanewbie_even knowing it is wrong02:06
wildcodeok my previous observations seems incorrect ... dns has gone again ...02:07
millI think ubuntu-desktop have some weird dependencies. For example if I have an alternative irc client installed why would I need irssi-text?02:07
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Gmailerr look at smart package maniger02:08
wildcodedns resolution went on holiday after a apt-get ...02:08
jdubmill: because that's the supported irc client02:08
piyrcardador: I found one there! What do I do?02:08
jdubmill: you don't have to keep ubuntu-desktop installed02:08
Gmailwe have no seen dependce hell till we used it02:08
piyrcardador: it has dependencies02:08
Gmailjdub: yes you if your using hoary02:08
cardadorpiyr: save it to your disk, then open a terminal and write: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb02:08
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, you don't.02:09
mazzabrjdub, : sorry, but IMO this is not the right way to talk about deficiencies.02:09
jdubGmail: huh?02:09
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it simply means that you don't track ubuntu-desktop02:09
jdubmazzabr: deficiency?02:09
cardadorpiyr: if it doesnt install because of dependencies, just use synaptic and click on "fix broken packages"02:09
farruinn_Imanewbie_, what do you mean by "linux packages"?02:09
Gmailyes you do if not you will not see gamin... you be using fam still...02:09
mazzabrjdub, : sorry, bad english.02:09
mazzabrjdub, : I meant, cons.02:10
piyrcardador: actually i don't know how to install a .deb package...02:10
cardadorpiyr: save it to your disk, then open a terminal and write: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb02:10
jdubmazzabr: i don't understand the comment (you probably used the right word)02:10
mazzabrjdub, <jdub> mill: you don't have to keep ubuntu-desktop installed02:10
jdubGmail: that's not a general problem02:10
jdubmazzabr: what's wrong with that?02:10
wildcodeanyone here know how to solve dns resolution failing in ubuntu randomly but persistantly (ie: once it starts failing it doesn't really come good, even after reboot, but will suddenly work again just as mysteriously as it stopped)02:10
piyrcardador: ok.  sudo dpkg -i pdftohtml_0.36-7.1_i386.deb.  Thanks.02:10
mazzabrjdub, : mill tried to be constructive.02:10
jdubmill: mill had a question, which i answered02:11
_Imanewbie_farruinn: yes02:11
cardadorpiyr: that is on ubuntu repository!02:11
mazzabrjdub, : never mind... the discussion died :o)02:11
farruinn_Imanewbie_, I'm still confused, do you mean debian repositories?02:12
piyrcardador: what do you mean?02:12
tvon|x31Has anyone built beagle on Hoary?02:12
tvon|x31or tried...02:12
cardadorpiyr: i searched for it in synaptic02:12
cardadorpiyr: probably you dont have universe and multiverse repositories enabled.02:12
_Imanewbie_farruinn: places to take packages02:12
Rene_SDoes it still count if I choose to use KDE on my Ubuntu ?02:13
LinuxJoneswildcode, is dns resolution slow ro not working at all ?02:13
cardadorpiyr: synaptic > settings > repositories > (go to the ticked line) > section(s) > add universe and multiverse after "main restricted"02:13
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cardadorpiyr: then click reload, and if you search for pdftohtml youll find it02:14
siimoRene_S, does what count02:14
runixdit still counts as ubuntu :)02:14
NivlemCan anyone tell me if Ubuntu supports hfs+ without a re-compile of the kernel?02:15
runixdNivlem, it has every filesystem from default kernel compiled as module02:15
_Imanewbie_I want to find firefox 1.0 on a repos02:15
Rene_SI didn't want to be seen as some kind of whack job Ubuntu user who didn't like Gnome that much02:15
jdubNivlem: it does02:15
runixdRene_S, you will be seen as one02:16
Nivlemjdub: Kewl thanks...02:16
Cloudchaser_Imanewbie_, if you find it, i'd like to know where ;)02:16
farruinn_Imanewbie_, oh, well if that's what you want, someone posted with a repository to the ubuntu-users list.  Theirs has firefox 1.002:16
Rene_Srunixd, oh well, I guess I will be the Ubuntu community idiot then.02:16
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piyrcardador: thanks.  I have a small problem: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)02:17
NivlemNow the next question is that I just checked fstab and it didn't add a entry for my firewire hard drive.....how would I check to see if it created the device for it? It was /dev/sdb under Mandrake 10.102:17
siimoRene_S, linux is all about choice02:17
runixdbut then there is good choice and bad choice02:17
piyrcardador: i'm working on it...02:17
_Imanewbie_farruinn: where can I check it?02:17
runixdNivlem, cat /etc/mtab02:18
Rene_SYeah for me Gnome isnt the best choice, however I like the Ubuntu people and philosophy so I am sticking with it02:18
Nivlemrunixd: K...and Ubuntu uses /media instead of /mnt?02:18
runixdNivlem, it uses whatever is written in fstab02:19
runixdwhich is /media :)02:19
Nivlemrunixd: Gracias02:19
_Imanewbie_farruinn: when was it? this month: last month?02:19
Nivlemrunixd: It does not show anything to do with firewire(ieee1394, sbp2) does this mean that it isn't setup?02:21
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Nivlemrunixd: If I just modprobe the modules would that enable Ubuntu to do the rest?02:22
farruinn_Imanewbie_, don't remember for sure, think it was this month02:22
runixdNivlem, if you mount it, modules will be loaded02:22
GotD0thas anybody recieved their ubuntu cds?02:23
rasherGotD0t: I have02:23
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rasherCan anyone recommend a fluxbox theme that fits with the ubuntu look? Or one that is close?02:23
Nivlemrunixd: should I assume the device name will be /dev/sdb?02:23
Rene_SNo, cant say that I have.  I made mine02:23
rasherGotD0t: last friday02:23
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runixdNivlem, I'm not sure, don't have any firewire02:23
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Nivlemrunixd: Just so you know...it did it...heh02:26
piyrcardador: Thanks again.  I got it installed but it dies by segfault lol02:26
wildcodeLinuxJones, not working at all, dns servers are working though, dig of ip addresses appear fine02:27
thegnuthis may be a stupid question, but I can't find it on google, or linuxquestions, etc.  I've got a samsung ml-1740, and it won't print...02:27
thegnuthe driver is installed, but it I can't select it02:27
NivlemAnyone else in here running a firewire hard drive with more than one partition?02:27
_Imanewbie_farruinn: the guy just said to uncomment theuniverse lines on the post ive found02:27
hypa7iathegnu: permissions problem maybe?02:28
thegnumaybe.  on the ppd?02:28
tyranodoes anyone know how i can setup speedstep correctly in ubuntu? my cpu is always running at max speed which is bad.02:28
wildcodeLinuxJones, hmm, now I can't reach the dns server :/02:28
farruinn_Imanewbie_, eh, maybe I'm just dreaming, but I could have sworn someone posted saying that had put up their own public repository that had firefox 1.0 on it02:28
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thegnuif I install the printer as a 1710 with the supplied driver, it works.02:28
piyrNivlem: can you boot from it?02:29
wildcodeLinuxJones, this is only in ubuntu, if I switch to windows, they'll work fine, back to ubuntu, they fail02:29
_Imanewbie_farruinn: nevermind it isnt so urgent for me02:29
_Imanewbie_bye guys I gtg02:29
thegnuin /etc/cups/ppd/, ls -l shows the same permissions for the 1710 ppd and 1740 ppd02:29
thegnuIs there an easy way to enable the HTTP interface for CUPS in ubuntu?02:30
wildcodeLinuxJones, currently a windows machine on the nal isn't having any dns issues, yet ubuntu is02:30
wildcodenal = lan02:30
thegnuI also can't run the configuration program that comes with the printer, which worked on Arch Linux.  I tried setting a password:  lppasswd -g sys -a root02:31
thegnuit says authentication failed02:31
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mike998okay - after much googling and even more swearing I must admit defeat and admit that I can't figure out how to use mknod02:32
farruinnmike998, any idea as to how /dev/hdb* disappeared?02:33
mike998does anybody know of a better resource - the info and man pages are not much help...02:33
mike998farruinn: I'm afraid not.  dev/hdb just stopped appearing.02:33
Nivlempiyr: No I don't know that Ubuntu support that...and I have a seperate drive for Ubuntu... ;-)02:34
farruinnooh, it's /dev/hdb, not dev/hdb02:34
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mike998farruinn: sorry - my typo... it's /dev/hdb02:34
mike998basically the second partion on my only hard drive02:35
farruinnmike998, ok, I was really worried for a moment that I had made a typo and lead you astray02:35
piyrNivlem: Well I have a firewire hard drive, but it has only one partition and I haven't tried it with linux...02:35
farruinnmike998, if it's your only harddrive why do you have it set to slave?02:35
farruinnis / on hdb?02:36
mike998farruinn: I partitioned my drive when I had winxp on there so I had a 49gig partition for my ubuntu install and about a 30gig for my data so I wouldn't lose it02:37
mike998oh, boy is this silly02:37
Nivlempiyr: It will find it just fine...I am trying to figure out how to mount the individual partitions...I am mounting the whole drive right now.. :-(02:37
Nivlempiyr: What kind if filesystem?02:38
farruinnmike998, if it's only one disk and you're using Ubuntu at the moment then it's not possible for the 10 GB partition to be on hdb02:38
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millHmm. Is there something special I have to do to be able to receive mail? Sending works and receiving locally too.02:38
farruinner, 30 gig02:39
piyrNivlem: windows; i'm a linux noob probably of no use in answering your technical questions :p02:39
lil_anthonyanyone know how to play wmv's that have encryption cause when i go to play some wmv's it says encrypted and i thought i had all the codecs i need installed but oviously not02:39
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nevynlil_anthony: encrypted wmv's are drm'd you can't play them on linux afaik02:40
farruinnmike998, what does cat /etc/mtab say?02:40
lil_anthonyok thanks02:40
nevyndid you buy it off the internet somewhere?02:40
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lil_anthonyyeah, just one i had downloaded long time ago02:41
lil_anthonythe playboy version of kidrocks cowyboy song :)02:41
mike998farruinn : dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 002:41
mike998skipping proc, sysfs02:41
mike998devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 002:42
farruinnok, so your other partition is probably on hda2 I would say02:42
mike998farruinn: I think I need to be slapped just a little bit02:42
mike998just a little02:42
mike998have yerself a beer as well.  on me02:42
Rene_STry using the proper postage, that way your long distance mail arrives and you will recieve replies02:43
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mike998what a moron I am02:43
farruinnmike998, eh, don't worry about it, we all have our moments =)02:43
mike998farruinn: you have been most patient.  Thanks again02:44
farruinnhopefully it will work now02:44
mike998apart from the fact that I can't explore it... yep it works02:44
farruinnbut it mounts?02:46
mike998farruinn: yes.  I'm grabbing my rtcw files from there now02:46
Rene_SIf you wanna explore it hang on while i get my shorts and machete and i will come explore it with ya02:46
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eruinthe kde humaninterfaceguidelines are a disaster in terms of human interface02:47
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Faustushow far us ubuntu-ppc from being stable?02:49
billytwowillyit's really stable isn't it?02:49
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Rene_Seruin, thats because they were written for Martians not Humans02:50
jdubFaustus: 4.10 was released in october, with ppc supported02:50
farruinnFaustus, not sure what you mean, it seems pretty damn stable to me02:50
Faustusnot on my imac, 5 kernels panics in tree days02:50
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Faustusone with xmms playing a tone of others with the xscreensaver, I was never able to ssh in.02:51
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thegnuhow do you install a downloaded driver in gnome-cups-manager?02:51
Majestic|Linuxwhats swap for?02:51
thegnuI've got the Samsung driver for the ML-1740, and it just won't let me do it02:52
eruinswap = slow replacement for ram02:52
FaustusIn fact I was writing submissions on these problems when I go a gui freeze.  The alt-cntrl-F1 didn't work, rage 128 doesn't have accel because it's deopth gets set wrong02:52
eruinMajestic|Linux: generally having as much swapspace as you have ram is a good idea02:53
Majestic|LinuxI have 256mb of ram and 620.12mb of swap02:53
eruinwell, that's ok too ;)02:53
Majestic|Linuxbecause I have 3 partitions (20gb total)02:53
Majestic|Linux5.68gb, 5.68gb, and 6.68gb02:53
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eruinand one 620.12mb ;)02:54
Majestic|Linuxbut really its 6.1gb, 6.1gb, and 7.1gb02:54
Majestic|Linuxand 620.12mb for swap02:54
Majestic|Linuxit just shows different02:54
Majestic|Linuxbut when I made the partition with Ubuntu it showed 6.1, 6.1, 7.1 and the rest for swap 620 or something02:54
eruincompared to ?02:55
Majestic|Linuxbut now I have qtparted open on MEPIS because i wanted to see it and it shows diff. its ok i noticed on my laptop 30gb shows 27gb on kanotix02:55
zugwrackOk is there a GUI interface for adjusting yaboot?02:55
Majestic|Linuxnot comparing it02:55
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) gb aint gb02:55
eruin1gb in linux is one billion bytes02:55
Faustusfarruinn:what hardware are u running ppc on?02:56
eruin1gb in winblows is 1,024,000,000 bytes02:56
Majestic|Linuxso yea02:56
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: erm02:56
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farruinnbeige G3, rev 202:57
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) A gigabyte is two to the 30th power, or 1,073,741,824 in decimal notation.02:57
eruinGB if you wanna be picky?02:57
Majestic|Linuxhow can I run more than 1 distro with ubuntu?02:57
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) a gb in like is 2^3002:57
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) last time I checked02:57
Faustusno probs?02:57
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and in any case, if you're using applications, they might have their own definitions02:57
farruinnI haven't had any problems - in fact the Ubuntu install went a hell of a lot better than when I installed Debian02:58
Majestic|Linuxsave the boot for the other distros to a floppy?02:58
farruinnSound just works, X just works...02:58
Majestic|Linuxbecause I'm gonna be runnng Ubuntu, Libranet and MEPIS on here02:58
zugwrackIs there anything special I need to do after editing yaboot.conf?02:58
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Faustusfor sure, debian sarge installer is finicky, sometimes it installs with flying colors02:58
Faustussometimes not02:59
farruinnActually I did woody install w/ boot floppies02:59
zugwrackMajestic|Linux: Is this all i386? Or PC based?02:59
Majestic|LinuxpC Based?02:59
Majestic|Linuxits on my Celeron 634mhz 256mb 20gb pc if thats what you mean02:59
Faustusso u haven't had any freezes?  Well maybe I'll submit my findings in the hope that I can run it in the future02:59
Majestic|Linuxand its i686 to my understanding02:59
thegnudoes anyone know how to enable a password for the root user for CUPS?03:00
thegnubecause I've enabled root:03:00
thegnusudo passwd root03:00
farruinnFaustus, Ubuntu's been running beautifully.  I never boot into OS X anymore (except for the occasional startmol -X)03:00
thegnulppasswd -g sys -a root03:00
Faustusdon't get me wrong03:01
eruindoes mol work on i386?03:01
thegnuand still when I'm asked for a password by CUPS, I get authentication failed03:01
FaustusI loved it, it fealt like a new computer, fast but I just kept on having panics03:01
zugwrackMajestic: Yes that is what I mean...just make sure you have pre-partitioned your hard drive to allow for additional installs...depending on the bootloader (LILO,Grub) Each time you will add a line to tell it which partition the other images is on...03:01
farruinneruin, no, because the way mol works macos actually runs on the processor itself03:01
farruinnso it's not really an emulator (AFAIK)03:01
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FTTPIntel also said it will open four Linux development centers to help software companies build PC applications for Linux computers.03:01
Majestic|Linuxzugwrack, I'm a newbie and I dont know how todo that.03:01
FTTPAnd Intel is going to help develop link for DESKTOP !03:01
Faustusno very few things are emilated w/ mol03:01
FTTPerr linux03:02
eruinFTTP: link?03:02
FTTPIntel more active in desktop Linux03:02
farruinnI guess sound and network is emulated...03:02
eruinas in url?03:02
farruinnFTTP we need to find you a linux evangalism channel or something03:02
FTTPeruin:  It came to a point where in emerging markets microsoft had to cut prices03:03
FTTPmicrosofts market is saturated03:03
zugwrackMajestic: We were all newbies at one time...and we are all at various stages in our own knowledge of Linux...if it is just a playbox then don't worry about it...all that can happen is you have to re-format and reinstall...otherwise read and read and read..then once you have the information go ahead with your plans...03:03
thegnuwhen I try to do it manually, I get: lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: server-error-internal-error03:03
Faustusintel moving away from M$?  M$ share went down today too03:03
eruinFTTP: ms has been selling stripped down versions of their software in all non-western countries for quite some time now :P03:04
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zugwrackFaustus: that is good news ;-)03:04
FaustusCould this be the beginning of hte end to wintel ?03:04
eruinFTTP: but that's great news... hopefully amd will follow ;>03:04
thegnuhas anyone been able to use the web interface for CUPS?03:04
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FaustusIBM supporting linux too03:04
zugwrackMajestic: no problem...just common sense really ;-)03:04
Rene_SIBM jeez, just wait soon MS will support Linux, cause they have too03:05
eruin"but those efforts have been largely confined to powerful networked computers called servers." - I don't see why they need to write it like that on an online newssite ;P03:05
Faustusbut that's a mixed bag as my phil of comp prof tells me that IBM is threatening to sue down the road03:05
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: I wish my servers were powerful03:05
eruinhasn't ibm always supported linux?03:05
FTTPrene:  With SCO they are03:05
Faustussomething about them having patents, perhaps he was refering to the disputed gui patents/03:05
FTTPrene:  Errrr microsoft is supporting UNIX03:05
FTTPeruin:  Since 200003:06
FTTPeruin:  Not always03:06
eruinwell I can tell linux is growing03:06
FTTPeruin:  Since the current CEO took charge03:06
eruinpeople I'd never think used linux actually are around here03:06
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FTTPeruin:  In the USA linux is too far behind tho03:06
FTTPin emerging markets its growing03:06
eruinus always lags behind03:06
FTTPno i mean linux03:07
FTTPwe like our microsoft here03:07
FTTPcept me03:07
FTTPpeople dont mind paying for microsoft03:07
Faustusremember that ms came to ibm and convinced them to support windows03:07
eruinhousetier: ?03:07
housetiermaybe even #oswar03:07
Faustusibm has always had their version of *nix, which usually was failed miserably fromwhat I've read03:08
FTTPfaustus:  i think the sco lawsuit is really about the fact that in the USA nothing really progressed like microsoft did03:08
FTTPboies was part of the antitrust suit03:08
FTTPagainst microsoft and in no way plays favor to microsoft03:08
FTTPand he also defended ibm03:08
FTTPso his motives (which are not money alone, he is an issue guy)03:08
FTTPis prolly to alter the landscape of competition03:08
FTTPbut if this makes ibm press harder to push linux03:09
FTTPit may actually work03:09
FTTPeven if he loses03:09
eruinalong with this here widespread usa-boycot03:09
FTTPboycot of what?03:09
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FTTPLinux had 2.6 percent of the desktop market compared with 93 percent for Windows03:10
FTTP2.6% in the usa?03:10
eruinmost major us labels have suffered ~20-30% saldesdrops here03:10
FTTPi didnt think it was that high03:10
FTTPeruin what country are you in?03:10
FTTPeurope hates USA03:10
eruinsame thing going on around europe apparently03:10
FTTPlook at the euro vs dollar03:11
FTTPyou guys hate us03:11
eruinno, we're just feeling f**king ambivalent03:11
FTTPeruin there should be a global war i mean in terms of business and innovation between europe and the usa03:11
FTTPit will be exciting03:11
eruinI think there already is03:11
FTTPeruin:  Europe went towards linux right?03:12
FTTPeven in govt03:12
FTTPusa is pro microsoft03:12
FTTPnovell bought up suse (german)03:12
eruinboth eu and domestic03:12
housetierand I thought I was being silly- this is ridiculous and highly inappropriate03:12
FTTPhousetier ?03:12
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tvon|x31any Hoary devs around?  I'm on a hunt for "X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h"...I'm thinking the file was lost in the Xorg move03:13
eruinwhere's ubuntu originated?03:13
tvon|x31other Xorg distros seem to have it, but I can't find it in Ubuntu nor Sid03:13
Penguinyuan is best currency03:13
FTTPisle of man is the hq03:13
FTTPisle of man =/ uk03:13
FTTPbut the founder is from south africa03:13
millI get "Connection refused" when I am trying to connect the mailserver (postfix) from the outside. At least that is what happens with telnet and the logs doesn't provide any information. What do I have to do to remedy that?03:13
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FTTPisle of man = nation03:14
FTTPbut Shuttleworth is from south africa03:14
eruintvon|x31: yeah; I see it on my mounted fedora drive03:14
FTTPso i dunno what you call it03:14
TsjoklatFTTP: international? :P03:14
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eruinso linux currently has a marketshare higher than osX03:18
eruinerr, os*03:18
eruin2003 @ 3.2%03:20
farruinnthat's on the site your just posted?03:22
eruinthe one I just posted sounds highly speculative03:22
farruinnlol, oh, I'm searching all over that thing thinking wtf03:22
eruinthis figure is according to IDC market data03:22
farruinnok, got it03:22
bratscheHow hard is it to make a deb file from a tarball?03:22
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eruinbratsche: about http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ hard03:23
bratscheeruin: Thanks.03:23
afshinI want to build modules for my system but I get complaints taht lib/modules/ No such file or directory.03:23
eruinbratsche: your tarball might already have a debian subfolder, making things easier03:23
afshinwhich package do i need to d/l from synaptic to be able to buidl kernel modules?03:23
bratscheeruin: Yes, it does.03:24
bratscheeruin: They have .deb files on the website, but they're i386 and I'm trying to make deb for amd64.03:24
bratscheIt's for libdvdcss03:24
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caleb_anybody seen a beagle package yet?03:25
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afshinwhich package do i need to d/l from synaptic to be able to buidl kernel modules?03:29
afshinhrm perhapes03:30
eruingcc? :P03:30
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mike998has anyone had any success in installing the loki graphical installer03:31
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millBlah. Can't get postfix to work.03:34
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(sladen/#ubuntu) eruin: yeah, I was looking at that. mdz is listed in the credits so hopefully he'll know more about it03:43
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LucidVisionsIs anyone on in this room right now from south africa?03:56
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tyranoi have linux-image- installed, can i uninstall via synaptics and install the 686 instead, or is that just not worth the trouble03:59
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siimoanyone here run hoary ?04:01
LucidVisionsI do04:01
geni also do04:01
Cloudchaserwell its late in europe..and i'm just an ubuntu newbie ;)04:02
kensaisiimo, what seems to be the problem?04:02
tyranohow does one run hoary04:02
tyranoor update to hoary o_O04:02
siimokensai, i was just asking...04:02
gensudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list04:02
genchange all the warty strings to hoary04:02
kensaityrano, in /etc/apt/sources.list change everything that says warty to hoary04:02
siimotyrano, wiki04:02
genthen save04:02
gensudo apt-get updat04:02
genthen sudo apt-get upgrade04:02
gensudo apt-get dist-upgrade04:02
kensaisiimo, 90% of us run hoary04:03
tyranoshould i do that o_O04:03
siimotyrano, dont remove a kernel before your new kernel boots properly04:03
Tsjoklattyrano: main restricted universe multiverse04:03
kensaityrano, you'll get unstable04:03
LucidVisionsits gonna be 400mb+ of updating,,but its worth it04:03
siimokensai, :O didnt know that thats a high percentage04:03
kensaityrano, if you want a stable pc keep warty04:03
Tsjoklattyrano: if you want stable wait til feb04:03
siimoi thought from reading the ubuntu website more will be running the release04:03
tyranois there anything worth getting04:03
farruinnwe should have a bot that answers the warty->hoary question04:04
tyranoahh feb is not that long away04:04
kensaisiimo, thats my guess it could be a little less though04:04
kensaisiimo, maybe a should change it to 80% ;)04:04
siimowell thats still a high percentage - does it mean its relatively stable to use04:05
genyes siimo04:05
eruin"dpkg-reconfigure locales" -> remove all non-utf8 ones, select your locale (in utf8) and make it the default one04:05
eruinthat's also required if you move to hoary..04:05
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eruinregeya: you sound like yoda04:06
genyoda sound you like04:06
tyranoit sucks there is no way to choose your kernel when installing :|04:07
tyranoi wanted 686 image not 386 :/04:07
eruinhow about just installing the 686 one? :P04:07
Tsjoklattyrano: hoary is a lot of headaches and not for everyone04:07
eruinit'll show up in your grub, you boot with it, then remove your 386 kernel04:07
Tsjoklattyrano on the forum is a post to get new gaim/xchat and so forth without going hoary04:07
tyranonah i dont need all that04:08
siimotyrano, just install i686 then boot to it and make sure it works then remove 38604:08
TsjoklatI would really wait.. it is no fun having a broken down box and no means of fixing it yourself04:08
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genyou don't have to remove 386, so small anyhow04:08
tyranocan you do it through synaptics?04:08
tyranoi see it there ;O04:08
Tsjoklattyrano but I don't want to assume that you are dense04:08
deweywhat is broken in hoary?04:08
Tsjoklattyrano: or implicate that you are :)04:08
tyrano;] 04:09
regeyalike yoda I sound, you think?04:09
regeyaso certain are you...04:09
NewComerregeya, no, it's this way... like yoda I sound, think you?04:10
eruinso.. foolish04:10
regeyacorrected I am.  foolish I feel.04:10
Tsjoklatdewey: what isn't :P04:10
eruinand with foolish comes humiliation!04:10
geni've been on hoary for a few weeks with no major problem04:10
eruinnot a single hoary problem here04:11
NewComerdon't know who taught yoda english, but he did a terrible job04:11
eruinapart from xorg being a bit broken in the locale department04:11
Tsjoklatgthumb doesn't work anymore, changing background doesn't work anymore, evo said bugger you, gdesklet needs tweaking here and there04:11
Tsjoklatscreenshot has vanished for now (will return)04:12
eruingthumb works fine here04:12
genchanging background works fine for me04:12
eruinchanging background same04:12
eruinevo says hello darling04:12
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regeyayoda seems to be one part backwards and one part old-fashioned04:12
eruingdesklets _could_ use a bit of tweaking, but it's at 0.3 ffs04:12
regeyahe's formal, but in a funny way. :-D04:12
genbg changing wasn't working, then did another upgrade yesterday and now works04:12
Tsjoklatubu devs themselves say one should wait04:12
Tsjoklatgen have to do that today... it will all be fixed, not worry about it.. but I can see a noob going bonkers04:13
regeyaas a somewhat-interested user, I would suggest that casual users grin and bear the (very mildly) stale packages, and wait a while.04:13
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regeyaI still can't believe bruce perens says he's never had a showstopper on debian unstable.04:14
Tsjoklaton that note: night all04:14
gennight Tsjoklat04:14
regeyacan't believe it because I think he's full of what the horse left04:14
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Seqanybody using hoary and also using the gnome-blog panel applet?04:16
Seqi seem to get a preferences error whenever i try to use it as an applet after updating earlier, but standalone works fine04:16
FTTPlinus net worth = 0,  bill gates net worth = 1000000000000004:18
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FTTPpolar opposites04:18
farruinnFTTP, how is that relevant at all?04:18
housetiernext topic please04:18
Seqi don't know, linus has a nice job at osdn (i think thats where it is) i'd like to have04:19
deweywow 653MB to download for hoary!04:19
FTTPseq:  He doesnt get stock options04:20
FTTPits non profit04:20
SeqFTTP: who cares, he likes his job, he makes enough to live happily04:20
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housetiermy net worth = 004:20
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housetierwtf cares?04:20
FTTPseq:  I want profit dammit im a greedy f0ck04:21
FTTPmy name is darl mcbride04:22
jdubFTTP: take it elsewhere please.04:22
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LucidVisionsfttp: your lame04:22
deweyokay here goes hoary upgrade :)04:22
farruinnanyone have any idea why synaptic doesn't show me any packages?  when I select a section or do a search is says X packages listed, but it doesn't show any in the window04:22
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) LucidVisions: keep your hands off it04:22
eruinseen that?04:22
farruinndselect doesn't list anything as well, yet aptitude does...04:22
eruinanyone seen something similar with ubuntu?04:23
LucidVisionswhy,he is being an ass04:23
FTTPjdub:  McBride trying to ruin us04:23
FTTPbut he wont succeed04:23
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) LucidVisions: doesn't mean you can go around grabbing his lame like a fruit04:23
housetieryou are ruining the spirit here, FTTP04:23
housetiersadly you have succeeded04:24
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LucidVisionsKneelBeforeXorg: alright04:24
jdubFTTP: take it elsewhere please.04:24
LucidVisionsyou win04:24
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IRCMonkeyhello, is there any wau to install ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel?04:25
jdubIRCMonkey: there is a 2.4 kernel available, but you can install with it04:26
jdubIRCMonkey: i wouldn't recommend it unless you have very specific requirements (for a server, generally)04:26
IRCMonkeyi need it cuase otherwise i cannot get audio04:26
farruinnNo one else has had any problems with synaptic/dselect?  I tried a dpkg-reconfigure on them, but that didn't do anything04:26
farruinnThis happened after I installed a package from source with dpkg04:27
ajmitch_jdub: how about broken usb with 2.6?04:27
IRCMonkeywhat i have to do to get the kernel 2.4 version??04:27
kensaidistrowatch.com is powered by Ubuntu, Hurray!04:27
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jdubIRCMonkey: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.404:28
jdubajmitch_: it's not *that* broken ;)04:28
jdubIRCMonkey: what audio hardware do you have?04:28
ajmitch_jdub: on this box I have here, it seems quite broken :)04:28
genkensai, where'd you get that from04:28
IRCMonkeyi have an ati soundmax integrated card04:28
jdubajmitch_: hardware?04:28
ajmitch_although I'm not sure if it's solely usb, or other factors04:28
ajmitch_works fine with knoppix & 2.404:28
jdubIRCMonkey: no driver in 2.6 at all?04:28
kensaigen, http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20041122#move04:29
ajmitch_sits & spins with knoppix & 2.604:29
IRCMonkeythere is but for some reason it won't work04:29
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gencool kensai04:30
jdubkensai: they moved to freebsd, not ubuntu.04:30
FTTPkensai:  IT is??04:30
genoh yea it does say freebsd04:30
genand that ubuntu was the "contendor"04:30
kensaijdub, it says ubuntu now04:30
jdubkensai: they just tested the upgrade afterwards.04:30
gen" Last week we reported about the reasons behind the DistroWatch.com server move - from Debian to FreeBSD"04:31
genfirst line04:31
FTTPkensai:  www.netcraft.com04:31
FTTPFreeBSD  Apache/2.0.50 (FreeBSD) PHP/5.0.204:31
FTTPgen:  You were right04:31
FTTPnetcraft doesnt lie04:31
FTTPunless they changed it after 11/1504:32
kensaiOhh ok just one of the servers is running ubuntu04:32
FTTPkensai which one ? :)04:32
kensaithe old one04:33
kensai"After the site was safely on the new machine, we decided, out of curiosity, to upgrade the old Debian Woody installation to Ubuntu Warty"04:33
FTTPkensai:  Wow, so warty is becoming the replacement for servers for debian?04:34
Seqkensai: i read that as "now that we have a machine not doing anything at all, we decided to see if the conversion would break it"04:34
jdubFTTP: er, no.04:35
kensaiSeq: yeah04:35
jdubFTTP: that was from the distrowatch article.04:35
FTTPjdub:  No i mean from customers04:35
FTTPsome are using ubuntu over debian04:35
kensaiI'm using both04:36
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kensaiOne HDD with SID and one HDD with HOARY thats what I have for desktop04:36
Seqjdub: i have a question for you if you don't mind me asking. theres a few gnome devs on ubuntu, right? (you included if im correct). I figured if there was any distro to stick to a relatively default gnome configuration it would be this, but there are a few visible changes, most notably the menu arrangement04:37
Seqjdub: was this something that is being pushed for gnome as a whole, or just something to try out, or what?04:37
FTTPim waiting for hoary to be stable04:37
FTTPdevelopment iso needs work and isnt stable :P04:37
FTTPwill wait further down the pike04:38
kensaiFTTP, GNOME is what you should wait to be stable ;)04:38
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Cloudchaserok ubuntu folks...i've another question please04:42
Cloudchaseri'm trying to install a printer04:42
Cloudchaserwhich is attached to windows pc04:42
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Cloudchaserthe gui keeps crashing04:42
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=== Gmail see the new ubuntu add and remove program
Cloudchaserah good it seemed to work this time04:44
kensaiCloudchaser, it's a miracle! ;) how you got it?04:44
Cloudchaserwell the gui crashed04:45
Cloudchaserbut it kept the info i put in04:45
Cloudchaserthe second time04:45
farruinnCloudchaser, a *windows* pc - aren't you running ubuntu on it ;-)04:45
Cloudchasertmorow i'll finish setitng up samba ;)04:45
kensaiCloudchaser, ohh I'll try tomorrow to communicate with a printer in a windows pc too04:45
Cloudchaserhehe not yet04:45
Cloudchaseruse ip address until samba is set up04:45
Cloudchaserfarruinn, i may set up file server on ubuntu04:46
Cloudchaseri have to play with it for a while first though04:46
Cloudchaserand i have some apps that won't run on linux04:46
Cloudchaserso...i put them on the desktop04:46
farruinnwait, so you're actually asking a windows question on this channel?04:47
Cloudchaserit was a printing from ubuntu04:47
Cloudchaserbut its working now04:47
Cloudchaserthe ubuntu printer set up kept crashing04:47
Gmaildon't use the add and remove program yet04:48
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Gmailuse it can crash gnome04:48
Cloudchaseroh i thought warty was stable ;)04:48
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Gmaili am talking about in hoary04:50
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Cloudchaserah i don't have that04:50
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Gmailhehe yay natulis is brocken04:51
Gmailand so is my spelling04:51
kensaiI see Gmail your spelling is way broken ;)04:52
SkifGmail: you should invest in a speling chexr04:52
Gmailand my menu is OOO04:52
housetierisnt "b0rken" the official spelling? ;)04:52
GmailSkif: you make one for irssi04:52
Gmail /exec man screen04:53
Gmailthat is long04:53
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regeyaguh.  mention *one* windows program on ubuntu forums and have jdodson on yo' butt.  *sigh*04:54
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Gmailubuntu right now like how red hat was in version 1-404:55
PorscheBoyanyone knows a good file-sharing app for linux?04:55
Gmailhoary is like fedora04:55
Gmailin pop.04:55
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) um04:55
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no, it's nothing like it04:55
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GmailHrdwrBoB: in pop. it is04:55
regeyanow see, that, right there, people jump all over someone when they advocate using a win32 program under wine, but filesharing, now, one is morally obligated to share copyrighted material!04:56
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PorscheBoyregeya, don't say u don't share files with other people?04:56
genporscheboy, not everyone is 10 years old04:57
Gmailresolvconf is the buggies cli tool i ever seen04:57
PorscheBoyc'mon, so what the heck do u do with linux?04:57
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PorscheBoyjust IRCing other people?04:58
kensaiI'm really stuck with this bug. apt-get remove george bush isn't working ;)04:58
gengoto bed kensai04:58
kensaiLOL right I'm falling asleep04:58
regeyawell, now, did I say that? :-D  all I'm saying is that if someone asked for a good web browser and (this is hypothetical because it doesn't work well) if I were to say "install IE using Wine" people would be all over me.  I see very little righteous indignation over filesharing compared to Free Software zealots. :-D  Note that I prefer Free Software over alternatives and use Free everywhere I can.04:58
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nixboyanyone using freenx ?04:59
PorscheBoythe fun part in using a computer is being able to play games and listen to music04:59
visorhey people, does somebody knows how to make a QT aplication look "decent" under gnome?, i mean, i run skype but it looks really bad and it opens a window to put the dock icon04:59
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genPorscheBoy, how are you seriously04:59
kensairegeya, If someone installs ie with wine. I don't know what kind of moron it should be04:59
genhow are?05:00
Gmailregeya: you are a moron firefox is better than ie any day05:00
genhow old are you PorscheBoy05:00
kensaiGmail, calm down ;)05:00
PorscheBoywell, all u guys talk about is ubuntu, can u at least discuss something meaningful and interesting05:00
PorscheBoyespecially u, gen05:00
gengo somewhere else porscheboy05:00
SkifPorscheBoy: dude, the channel is #ubuntu, that's kinda the point, eh05:00
genand stop saying "u"05:00
PorscheBoylol...u know i'm right05:01
genyou're an idiot05:01
dleI just noticed that warty has no /var/log/secure.  Is it created whe ncertain daemons are run (e.g. ftpd) or is it disabled no matter what?05:01
Skif#ubuntu-offtopic is <--- thataway05:01
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kensaigen, calm down ;)05:01
kensaivah, I'm out to bed I don't know even what I'm talking here05:01
PorscheBoyk, i'm leaving so u greeks could discuss ur ubuntu bible05:01
jamesanyone know why I can't use the newest GAIM?  it says I don't have SSL, but I made sure to get the latest release...05:02
Skifgen, relax, there's no point in getting all het up about it05:02
nixboyanyone installed freenx lately. the directions on the forums are broken05:02
genthank god.05:02
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dlewhy are there no ops here?05:02
jamescan anyone help me?05:03
Skifdle: dunno; in .us it's right before a holiday, but I don't know why people from .au aren't on yet05:03
genthere are dle05:03
Seqjames: did you grab the release from gaim.sf.net?05:04
Gmailubuntu hoary universe is quite a bit outdated to debian05:04
Gmailjames: wtf05:05
dlegen: Not as far as I can see in xchat. :)05:05
Gmailjames: you mean gaim.sf.net05:05
Seqjames: maybe this will help, otherwise just use the version that ubuntu does: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq-ssl.php#q305:05
jamesbeen there.05:06
jamesI can't install the package b/c the dependencies are too old (the ubuntu ones predate the debian ones)05:06
Seqjames: do you have a specific need to be running the newest gaim? It's just minor bugfixes if i recall05:06
Gmailjames: warty or hoary05:07
jameswell, file transfers have been rediculously slow, and I havn't seen anything else that could be the cause.05:07
Gmailjames: please don't use dpkg -i just use apt-get insatll gaim05:07
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Gmailjames: maybe backport it from hoary05:07
jamessorry, I'm relatively new.05:08
jamesyou mean change the repository??05:08
jamesor add one?05:08
Gmailjames: heh05:09
Gmailisn't gaim 1.0.2 good enuff for you?05:09
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jameswell, a friend of mine set up Gentoo on my desktop, from a stage 1 tarball, and I love the portage tree.05:10
jamesand I was hoping to keep stuff relatively up to date on my notebook.05:10
jamesbut I'll probably change to that on my notebook soon anyways, I was just trying to figure some stuff out.05:10
novaburstin Synaptic ubuntu-desktop is broken, should I mark it for reinstallation? Things seem to be working fine.05:10
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robl_Hi, guys. I'm just trying out ubuntu for the first time, and I have a couple quick questions. First, after selecting my language and country in the installer, it takes me to what seems to be a command prompt and doesn't do anything. No commands seem to work, though. Is this normal?05:11
robl_According to the website, it should be "scanning my hardware", but as far as I can tell, it's waiting for input05:12
jamesI have another question as well, I have a root partition and a home partition, and the root is 20GB, and I want to shrink it to like 5GB.  is there some sort of util I can use to change my patition size while maintining data integrity?05:12
Gmailrobl_: please do a md5sum check on the cd it seems corupted05:12
Gmailyou got windoze?05:13
Gmailgoto windoze05:13
nixboywhere is freenx ... i ve been googling for a while and it looks like kalyxio does not have it anymore05:13
Majestic|LinuxI'm a newbie too, and I wanted to know if I'm gonna dualboot ubuntu, does it have to be installed last?05:13
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robl_in it now05:13
jamesMajestic:  I installed it second.05:13
Gmailon the cd there should be /dos05:13
CloudchaserMajestic|Linux, windows always has to be installed first..it takes over05:13
Gmailand a read me in there read it05:14
jamesthen just added it to the grub.conf05:14
ChibiFSMajectic- It works MUCH BETTER to install ubuntu last. Windows, if you're keeping it, should always be installed first05:14
Gmailit will tell you howto use md5sum.exe05:14
Majestic|Linuxyes but on my linux box dual-boot 2 distros05:14
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Majestic|Linuxnot windows05:14
ChibiFSBecause it demands the ability to write to all of your partitions05:14
robl_alright, thank you05:14
Majestic|Linuxhere on my xp box i have xp and kanotix already , and i shouldnt of installed it because i should of used vmware or virtualpc instead05:14
CloudchaserMajestic|Linux, linux can boot to any partition but i think windows has to be on the first partition05:15
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Majestic|Linuxyes yes I aint trying to dual-boot with windows though05:15
james I have another question as well, I have a root partition and a home partition, and the root is 20GB, and I want to shrink it to like 5GB.  is there some sort of util I can use to change my patition size while maintining data integrity?05:15
Majestic|LinuxI already dual-boot Kanotix & XP no problem05:15
CloudchaserMajestic|Linux, i misunderstood, i'm sorry05:15
sub_popanyone know if there are "netapplet" debs for ubuntu warty?05:15
Majestic|LinuxI'm trying to dual-boot Ubuntu and MEPIS or Libranet05:15
Majestic|Linuxits  ok ;)05:15
Cloudchaseri think it doesn't matter which linux goes first then05:16
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novabursti am having trouble with getting file-roller installed via Synaptic, it keeps encountering errors. Should I be doing it another way?05:18
Kirschnovaburst: what error?05:18
novaburstKirsch: copy: Input/output error05:19
Majestic|LinuxI'm trying to dual-boot or triple-boot ubuntu, mepis and libranet and figure out which distro is best for me, which 1 i can customize to my likings gnome, kde, or whatever, which 1 i can do better on my celeron 634mhz 256sdram 20gb , which 1 i can learn faster, better with, which has better perfomance, speed, realibility and stuff like that05:19
novaburstKirsch: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 205:20
Kirschnovaburst: weird...05:20
jamescan anyone help me with resizing a partition?05:20
jsiegelKeyboard problem - scroll lock/num lock button on my Presario laptop is non-functional in X, although it works on the console. Any suggestions?05:22
Kirschjsiegel: check x config? maybe u have the wrong keyboard installed05:22
jamescan anyone help me with resizing a partition?  I need the space..05:22
Kirschnovaburst: sorry, can't elp...05:22
novaburstKirsch: np, thanks, I'll play with it some more05:22
Kirschnovaburst: might wanna see if synaptic will install any packages.05:23
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jsiegelIt's installed as a standard "pc104" keyboard.05:23
Kirschjsiegel: can u paste the InputDevice setion on pastebin?05:24
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jamescan anyone help me with resizing a partition?  can anyone help me?!05:25
nixboyanyone know whatever happened to the freenx pkg located at kalyxio ?05:25
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GmailKirsch: AOL!?!?!?!05:25
Gmailwb dewey05:25
siimocan i use hibernate?05:26
nixboyi tried installing from the kanotix rep to no avail either.05:26
KirschGmail: What?05:26
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deweyGmail: well my upgrade to hoary did not work I am here now on my mdk 10.2 install :)05:26
nixboyanyone can help with installing freenx on ubuntu warty ?05:26
jsiegelPastebin? What?05:26
Kirschjsiegel: www.pastebin.com its  a site that just holds info, so u can post ur config somewhere05:27
deweywith my hoary upgrade my X server would not work.05:27
deweyso is there something I can do to get X server to work from command line?05:27
nevynlots of things.05:30
deweylike what?05:32
eruinanyone here built rhythmbox 0.9 debs?05:33
nevynedit the config type xinit...05:33
FTTPnew debian installer fixes the modprobe problems :)05:34
FTTPdid ubuntu upstream it yet?05:34
nevynis hoary closed?05:34
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Qo-noSDoes not Ubuntu has a 6 monthly i.e. half-yearly release cycle? so how can Hoary be closed when warty was released but 2 months ago?05:35
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jdz_Qo-noS: correct05:35
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fester420is there winamp for linux05:37
FTTPqo-nos:  Im wondering if they upstreamed the new installer :)05:37
genfester420: xmms05:37
fester420i use xmms05:37
genso stick with it05:37
Rob|LinuxI just installed ubuntu, I have to run apt-get update again?05:38
Gmaildewey: lol05:38
deweyGmail: :)05:39
Gmaildewey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg05:39
Qo-noSdewey: I hope you realized that hoary like debian unstable/Experimental is for the brave and beta testers essentially. Unless you are one with the tenacity and skills and willingness to get your hands dirty...stick to Warty or Woody/Sarge (i.e. latter will be the next Stable by ~ Jan 2005). Tracking unstable branches like Hoary or Unstable/Experimental (on Debian) is NOT advised unless you possessed the above qualities and is acquianted05:40
Qo-noS with the philosophy of "I get to keep the borken pieces if it breaks.05:40
Gmaildewey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree05:40
Rob|Linuxwhen I updated to hoary everything screwed up =\ i couldnt even get into x ,  it said a problem with x server05:40
Qo-noSFTTP: I supposed it'll come soon given the close relationship between Ubuntu and Debian ;-005:40
Rob|Linuxi'll just stay with warty then05:40
nevynQo-noS: that's a bold prediction.. sarge by jan 05...05:40
Gmaili had no problems05:40
Gmaili just resetted x and it worked05:40
Gmaili did it with in 6hr for when it was avilble05:41
Qo-noSnevyn: from the horsemouth's himself -> tbm aka Martin Michlmayr the DPL's mouth05:41
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail: wow I'm impressed05:41
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deweyQo-noS: I am a beta tester for Mandrake 10.2 :)05:52
deweyI will brb in ubuntu I hope05:53
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Rob|Linuxwho here uses another look than GNome on ubuntu?05:53
GotD0ti dont use the default gnome05:54
GotD0tif thats what you're asking05:54
Rob|Linuxyea thats what im asking05:54
Qo-noSdewey: between distros enough diffs exist to make a switch an experience like migrating between OSes can be. The diff tools, flags used, requirements packaging wise, etc05:54
GotD0ti use gnome... just not the default skin05:54
Rob|Linuxgnome gets slow after a while on slow systems05:54
Rob|Linuxhow can I change it05:54
GotD0tare you sure its gnome05:55
Rob|Linuxme yes05:55
Rob|Linuxits the default05:55
GotD0ti mean are you sure its gnome thats making it slow05:55
Rob|Linuxwell my friend said i might have a lot of process or something05:56
Rob|Linuxyea its ubuntu or gnome, because i used gnome with libranet and it was faster but its not that slow, its just that my celeron 634mhz 256mb isnt the fastest thing of course05:56
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GotD0tgo into a term and type top05:57
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GotD0ttell me what it says for the first 5 lines05:57
BrittMan914hey is there a easy way to get my WPC54G to work05:57
GotD0twhat is that brittman91405:57
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) BrittMan914: I don't think so, but there is a hard way05:57
BrittMan914Wireless PC card05:58
BrittMan914is it worth it05:58
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes05:58
GotD0tsorry... wouldnt know05:58
BrittMan914or shoudl i just buy a 11MBit card05:58
Rob|Linuxit says05:58
BrittMan914well I kinda know what I am doing05:58
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) BrittMan914: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.3532963119/view?searchterm=WPC54G05:58
Rob|Linuxyou mean for PID 1, 2,3, 4, 5 ?05:58
Rob|Linuxthey keep changing05:58
GotD0tthe very first 5 lines05:59
Rob|Linuxon the top05:59
GotD0tfirst words on them should be top, Tasks, Cpu(s), Mem, Swap05:59
BrittMan914been there06:00
BrittMan914it doesnt work06:00
Rob|Linuxtop - 23:59:58 up 58 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.32, 0.3306:00
Rob|LinuxTasks:  69 total,   1 running,  68 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie06:00
Rob|LinuxCpu(s): 25.2% us,  3.7% sy,  0.0% ni, 70.8% id,  0.3% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si06:00
Rob|LinuxMem:    256052k total,   252260k used,     3792k free,    12556k buffers06:00
Rob|LinuxSwap:   500432k total,      144k used,   500288k free,   122860k cached06:00
BrittMan914for me06:00
BrittMan914it will expand06:00
BrittMan914not comile06:00
BrittMan914compile at all06:00
BrittMan914i need to point it to my kernel source dir06:00
BrittMan914where is that06:00
BrittMan914on Ubuntu06:00
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GotD0tRob|Linux that looks good06:01
GotD0tRob|Linux after how long does it start slowing down06:02
GotD0tbecause i notice its only been up for bout an hour06:02
Rob|Linuxafter 2-3hrs06:02
BrittMan914well night fellas06:02
Rob|Linuxwhen im running gaim, xchat, and mozilla06:02
BrittMan914i'll try tomorrow06:02
GotD0tand when you close them it doesnt get any faster?06:03
Rob|Linuxyea it does06:03
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GotD0tthen obviously what you're doing is too taxing for the machine06:04
gengrab another 256 stick rob06:04
GotD0tif it clears up after closing app's then its no a lost process or anything06:05
Rob|Linuxit hasnt happeend with other distros :-p06:05
GotD0tuse a less taxing GUI...06:05
GotD0tswtich from gnome to some of ones made specifically for older machines06:06
Rob|LinuxI like Ubuntu thats why I got it to use its default, but of course I want to try others to see how it works06:06
genxfce, blackbox, fluxbox, etc06:06
Rob|Linuxi just apt-get install <...>06:06
GotD0tjust try those06:06
geni think you'd like fluxbox rob06:07
Rob|Linuxbeing anewbie? hehe06:07
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Rob|Linuxi gotta change my sources because noen of those apt-get are working06:07
genyou have universe right06:08
GotD0tdo an apt-cache search for those06:08
Rob|Linuxi can go to synaptic and change it there, or i have to edit through the console?06:08
GotD0tbecause im sure its not only just listed as xfce or blackbox06:08
GotD0teither way you feel comfortable doing is fine06:08
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genactually they are gotd0t :)06:09
Rob|Linuxyou guys are on hoary or warty06:09
genyes, and rob im on hoary06:09
GotD0tim using warty and im seeing them06:10
GotD0tso just enable universe06:10
Rob|Linuxhow is it ? i tried it earlier and it didnt work i couldnt get inside X anymore, therewas a x server prob..06:10
Rob|Linuxits on default and i cant get nothing06:10
Rob|Linuxi think i gotta change it to multiverse06:10
Rob|Linuxi did it earlier and it worked06:10
gennot change, but add06:10
Rob|Linuxwhile i was also changin everything to hoary06:10
Rob|Linuxwell yea in this case universe multiverse instead of just universe06:10
Rob|Linux a root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install kde06:11
Rob|LinuxReading Package Lists... Done06:11
Rob|LinuxBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:11
Rob|LinuxPackage kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.06:11
Rob|LinuxThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or06:11
Rob|Linuxis only available from another source06:11
Rob|LinuxE: Package kde has no installation candidate06:11
Rob|Linuxroot@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install xfce406:11
Rob|LinuxReading Package Lists... Done06:11
Rob|LinuxBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:11
Rob|LinuxE: Couldn't find package xfce406:11
Rob|Linuxroot@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install xfce06:11
Rob|LinuxReading Package Lists... Done06:11
Rob|LinuxBuilding Dependency Tree... Done06:11
Rob|LinuxE: Couldn't find package xfce06:12
geninsert your sources.list to pastebin or #flood for me06:12
eruinhere's a new command for you06:12
eruinapt-cache SEARCH06:12
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Rob|Linuxi added multiverse next to universe and still06:13
GotD0twith a space?06:13
genwow rob06:13
eruinxfce4 is in universe06:13
Rob|Linuxi cant get it either06:13
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genwhat do you mean06:13
genit should be a seperate line06:13
Rob|Linuxapt-get install xfce406:13
suchitNeed to install Sendmail as a Relay Host on Ubuntu. Cant Get to Package via Aptitude. Suggestions please ?06:14
eruindeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse06:14
eruindeb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse06:14
eruinuse those two06:14
genand make sure to "sudo apt-get update"06:15
genafter you save06:15
genthen do apt-get install <whatever>06:15
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Rob|Linuxeruin, i did add multiverse already06:16
genrob you don't listen well06:16
eruinwell then do what gen said06:16
volvoguyhey everybody. where's the first place you'd check if you just discovered that your previously very empty hard drive suddenly reports as 100% full? :-\06:17
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eruinI'd rm -rf /tmp/* ;>06:17
Rob|Linuxi listen well enough, i dont apt-get a few times already with other distros, and its always aprob here with ubuntu06:18
Rob|Linuxi did what gen said too06:18
eruinand "apt-cache search xfce" doesn't return anything?06:18
volvoguythanks eruin. i wanted to make sure that was safe before i did it. :-)06:18
eruinvolvoguy: I'm not saying it's safe ;)06:18
nevynvolvoguy: it'll probably trash stuff X cares about.06:18
Rob|Linuxroot@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-cache search xfce06:19
Rob|Linuxroot@user-0cev21p:/home/rob #06:19
nevyn~/.xsession-errors first06:19
nevynvolvoguy: and du -s * and find the big one.06:19
volvoguythere's no X on this box. ooh. good idea nevyn. i'll try that too!06:20
eruinoh sheeesh06:20
genpaste your sources.list to #flodd or to pastebin06:21
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Rob|Linux#flood, done06:22
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suchithey gill are you in here?06:28
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Rob|Linuxwho has the page where shows you how to go hoary?06:30
volvoguyone sec Rob. i think i know where it is.06:31
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tyranoi keep fucking up ubuntu, 4th reinstall and counting :|06:33
genthats sad06:33
genwhat's happening?06:33
tyranokernel panic06:33
tyranoneed this patch to get acpi working correctly for my laptop but i keep screwing up the kernel compiliation06:34
tyranoi dunno, im new and its a lot to take in :|06:34
volvoguyRob: i can't find the page i was thinking of. it's pretty simple though - just change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in your sources.list (or with synaptic). there's a couple extra notes here too - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes06:35
tyranoi got the patch to work once, but when i rebooted it was no longer there06:35
mdzvolvoguy: GuideToHoary I think06:36
volvoguycan anyone verify what is or isn't safe to blow away in /tmp? apparently i AM really low on space. doh!06:37
seek187tyrano, what's wrong with your laptop?06:37
volvoguymdz: thanks matt. that's the one. the full URL is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary06:38
Rob|LinuxThanks volvo06:38
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siimohi how do i unlock the root account ?06:38
Rob|Linuxgen is helping me :)06:38
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tyranoseek187, its a known issue for the acpi with the asus, the battery status isnt read correctly. supposedly this patch can make it be read correctly but ive only had it work once http://m6n.ath.cx/aml_method_exec_hack.patch06:39
mdzvolvoguy: depends entirely on what programs are running06:39
tyranodo you think the ubuntu developers would put it in? :)06:39
tyranoi think you can do the patch or something with something called "DSDT tables"06:39
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seek187tyrano, oh I see... I had a problem with my laptop not shutting down and I forced acpi but that probably wouldn't help06:40
volvoguymdz: does /tmp get cleaned up during a reboot ?06:40
mdzvolvoguy: yes06:40
mdztyrano: is this the patch you mean?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=337906:40
tyranowell my cpu throttling doesnt work correctly either so i assume its an acpi problem06:40
mdzsiimo: answered in the FAQ06:40
volvoguymdz: excellent. i may be gone a few minutes. :-) did you get my email yet matt?06:41
mdzvolvoguy: I just returned from a week-long holiday, I have _lots_ of email :-)06:41
tyranoi hadn't heard opf that seek06:41
siimomdz, yes i understand all that but i still want root06:41
volvoguymdz: welcome back! no problem. nothing critical. take your time. :-) i'll be back in a little while.06:41
mdzsiimo: when I say it is answered in the FAQ, I mean that you will find the answer to your question by reading the FAQ06:42
mdzsiimo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root06:42
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siimomdz, that does not say anything about enabling root account06:43
mdzsiimo: yes it does06:43
mdz"Note that the root account does not have a password at all after the initial install. You can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root."06:43
siimomdz, it only talks about setting a root password which doesnt necessarily mean the account will be enabled as it does not say that anywhere06:44
(lamont/#ubuntu) mill: still around?06:44
siimoif thats how you enable a root account then that faq should be fixed06:45
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mdzit's tiring to improve the FAQ when folks don't read it before asking :-/06:46
siimowell you tell me then would you understand that? if you were a new user?06:46
mdzsiimo: perhaps you can suggest an alternative wording which would have made it more obvious06:46
siimoand i did read the faq06:46
siimomdz, all im saying is - it should say somewhere that "by setting the root password the root account is enabled" ?06:47
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mdzsiimo: better now?06:49
echodotsI'm trying to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron 2500 laptop. I've set the bios to read the cdrom first and made sure the cd would boot by putting it in my desktop but the laptop doesn't recognize it during start up... could someone tell me another way of getting this cd to load during start up?06:49
siimoyes.. but still so if root account doesnt have password it cant be used? i didnt know that06:50
echodots:) anybody?06:51
siimoechodots, have you got your cdrom as the first boot device before it goes to HDD?06:51
tyranomaybe its a bad burn ;O06:52
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echodotsit won't go up, I've tried everything to make the priorities change. the cd is fine, it loaded up when i put it on my desktop06:57
tyranodo you have windows on your laptop?06:57
echodotsI went to dell and updated the bios... of course they didn't have an update but I downloaded the one they were offering and installed it anyway. let me go back and see if I can change the priority since I updated the bios.06:57
echodotstyrano: xp home edition06:57
tyranoi was thinking maybe try and see if you can read the cd in windows on your laptop06:57
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gsonsomeone that knows if there is a bind to switch desktops?07:03
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mojocan someone help me on compiling RealPlayer 10 (src)?07:05
gsonwake up!07:05
mojothe bin version of RealPLayer not run with me, can someone pls check?07:05
bur[n] errealplayer?  bleh07:05
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bur[n] erwish i knew anything about realplayer... i'd help07:06
gsonbur[n] er,  do you know if there is a bind to switch desktops?07:06
bur[n] erbut i try to stay away from it07:06
bur[n] ergson: ctrl+alt left/right ?07:06
bur[n] ermaybe i did that myself though07:06
gsonlol nice:)07:06
gsonnah it works07:06
gsontnx man07:06
bur[n] ercool07:06
bur[n] ersure07:06
bur[n] erwish scroll-wheeling would work for that though07:07
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bur[n] eron that note... bedtime07:07
bur[n] erpeace07:07
gsonheh cu07:07
gsonone more thing...do you know where to find bittorent?07:07
EricNeonhello all07:08
gsonelo eric:)07:08
EricNeonIm set my fonts in gentoo07:09
gsonoi, where can i find nice themes?07:09
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gsonheh tnx07:10
seek187or http://themes.freshmeat.net/07:10
mojoburner: does RealPlayer run with ur Ubuntu Hoary?07:10
echodotswelp, it let me move it up over the hdd's but when i restarted it, it didn't start the install.07:11
echodotsi remember a while back, i installed debian on my other laptop. I took some files off the cd and put them on a floppy and then loaded the floppy on install, it redirected the files to the cd and the cd started working... no one, by any chance, would happens to know which files they were does anyone?07:14
mojoCan someone PLEASE confirm wether RealPlayer 10 GOLD run on Ubuntu Hoary? PLEASE..07:14
nomasteryodagive me a min07:14
seek187ill try07:14
tyranomy fan never kicks in, im worried :/07:14
gsonheh tyrano:)07:15
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gsonive got a minor problem, iam new at this and i want to use another theme:)07:16
tyranoits no good :/07:16
mojoThe result of running RealPlayer GOLD on Hoary ??? plese..07:17
seek187mojo, hmmm I can't get it to start07:19
mojosame here07:19
mojoit' just stuneed07:19
seek187realplay just sits there and does nothing07:19
mojoI think Hoary has prob with RealPLayer07:19
mojobut Helix does run with Hoary07:20
echodotsi really want to install ubuntu on my laptop07:21
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Gmailhehe my old retarted friend want to install ubuntu over his whole schools network (of 506 computers)07:25
gendid you just say retarted?07:25
fabbioneand why that should be "retarded"?07:25
genapparently you are retarded for not being able to spell it :)07:25
echodotsi wasn't going to say anything07:26
Gmailand my spelling is b0rken07:26
echodotsbut we love you anyway :|07:26
tyranois there an rc.modules or rc.local in ubuntu where i can add a module to be loaded on boot07:27
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melazyboyOk im having a problem -- for some reason the default install + online updates, did not install smbmount, i moved to the horay repos updated and upgraded and still do not have smbmount... anyone know whats happening? and why i don't have it, and/or what package would contain it07:30
seek187melazyboy, smbfs?07:31
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melazyboysmbmount is the samba-client utility that allows you to mount a remote share -- i have the option to mount a share using a gnome gui -- but i need to know how to do it only using console, in the past i have always utility called smbmount, which is part of the samba suite07:32
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echodotslol... i guess 'whereis' doesn't work on xp :P07:33
bborkkAnyone had any luck with ACPI working with the fglrx ATI driver?07:34
melazyboydoes anyone else lack the smbmount utility, it would be something worth mentioning to the ubuntu devels if others are missing it too -- what i read from an faq online is that to get it you must ./configure --with-smbmount, i dont really care to compile unless i have to though07:35
bborkkI've heard from others that switching to APM is the only solution that's worked.07:35
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duncanmwhat do i run to config X?07:36
duncanmi installed ubuntu on a Dell Dimension07:36
duncanmand surprisingly, X doesn't work ;-(07:36
WatjeHi, in fedora it was possible to make a ~/bin/ dir but here it doesn't work, can anyone help me with it?07:37
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bborkkduncanm: Is this one of those Media Centers?07:37
bborkkWatje: What do you want the ~/bin/ directory to do?07:37
echodotsam i going crazy or is there really no boot.img, cd-driver.img and root.img on the ubuntu cd?07:38
Watjeuhm i want to put scripts in it07:38
melazyboymkdir ~/bin07:38
Watjeso i don't need to write the full location07:38
Watjeyes i already did07:38
melazyboyand you want it to link to ~/bin07:38
melazyboyld ~/bin /bin -s07:38
echodotsoh nvm, they're on the net... silly me07:39
duncanmbborkk: no, it's a cheap-o dimension 300007:39
duncanmbborkk: but it has the integrated intel graphics thing07:39
melazyboyerr Watje try ln rather not ld07:39
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bborkkduncanm: What integrated graphics thing?07:40
duncanmVideo CardIntegrated Intel Extreme Graphics 207:40
duncanmi have a feeling it's not running xorg07:41
duncanmit's like XFree86 4.3.9907:41
duncanmwhich i guess could be a variant of Xorg07:41
Agrajagno, xfree86 is xfree8607:42
bborkkduncanm: Which release did you install?07:42
duncanmmy friend gave me this CD, and i just popped it in07:42
duncanmi don't even know07:42
bborkkWarty uses xfree86, Hoary uses Xorg.07:42
duncanmit's Warty07:42
duncanmis that no good?07:42
duncanmis that old?07:42
bborkkPeople die every day because of friends like that.07:43
duncanmhow big a download is to upgrade to Hoary?07:43
bborkkWarty is the current stable release.07:43
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bborkkHoary is the development branch for the next release.07:43
tyranohoary uses xorg right?07:43
fabbioneduncanm: the upgrade is pretty big07:44
tyranocool, maybe 3ddesktop will work with that o_O07:44
fabbioneduncanm: can you put /var/log/XFree86.0.log somewhere i can look at it?07:44
duncanmfabbione: is it worth it?07:44
duncanmfabbione: lemme try07:44
fabbioneduncanm: integrated gfx cards are buggy in hw and need some workaround to work properly07:45
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duncanmfabbione: there you go07:46
fabbioneok hold on a sec07:46
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echodotsok, i figured out a way to install them on my laptop... download boot.img, root.img, and cd-driver.img from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer07:46
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echodotsthen put them on three different cds and stick them in the floppy drive and reboot07:47
fabbioneduncanm: can you kindly put also /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?07:47
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echodotstake care07:47
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tyranoupgrade to hoary you change sources and then apt-get dist-upgrade yah?07:49
fabbioneduncanm: can you put up the config file please?07:51
fabbioneduncanm: ok. now you need to do 2/3 things.07:52
duncanmfabbione: surprisngly, it guessed most of those things right07:53
fabbioneduncanm: the first one is to go in the BIOS and see how much memory has been reserved for the video card.07:53
fabbioneduncanm: i am not.. since i wrote most of the detection code :P07:53
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duncanmfabbione: i have given up spending time to take care of these things now ;-)07:54
fabbioneduncanm: these integrated devices basically use system ram to simulate video ram07:54
duncanmi think apt-get upgrade installed a new kernel too07:54
fabbioneso the first step is to check the BIOS setting07:54
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duncanmlemme go do that07:54
gsonwhat kind of themes is it that i need to dl for ubuntu?:)07:54
fabbioneduncanm: i will be back in a few minutes07:55
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duncanmfabbione: says Onboard video memory is 1MB07:56
tyranohoary upgrade will take forever07:59
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fabbioneduncanm: you need to higher that value to something like 16Mb08:03
fabbioneduncanm: the BIOS should allow you to do so08:03
duncanmi made it say 8MB08:03
duncanmi dunno if there's 1608:03
deweyhello I can not fix x server in hoary?08:03
fabbioneduncanm: 8Mb can probably do too08:03
duncanmthat's it08:04
duncanm1MB or 8MB08:04
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fabbioneok leave 8Mb08:04
fabbionenow boot the machine08:04
fabbioneX still won't start08:04
duncanmfabbione: kinda lame, heh? ;-)08:04
duncanmfabbione: but then again, $600 from dell08:04
fabbioneduncanm: nahh these video gfx are a pain08:04
fabbioneduncanm: tell me when you are the login prompt08:05
duncanmX shows up!08:05
duncanmin the nice yellow background!08:06
fabbionein the correct resolution?08:06
duncanmi think so08:06
fabbionei suggest to do something more08:06
fabbioneand go to the console08:06
duncanmnot too shabby08:06
fabbionelogin and do:08:06
duncanmfabbione: and?08:06
fabbionesudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop08:06
fabbionesudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8608:07
fabbioneare you running warty right?08:07
fabbionenow.. you will see a bunch of questions08:08
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fabbionemost of them you can just hit enter08:08
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fabbionethere is one in which it asks for the amount of RAM in the video card08:08
fabbionein kB08:08
fabbioneput 819208:08
fabbioneand you should be able to still hit enter until it finishes08:09
fabbioneand put the new configuration up to the web (with another name)08:09
duncanmshould i use FB?08:09
lothariois ubuntu still the pre-release distro?08:10
fabbionethe default should be "no" at least08:10
fabbionelothario: ubuntu is the distribution. Warty is the stable release, hoary is the unstable one08:10
melazyboywhen you apt-get the kernel source tree package, shoulden't it link /usr/sources/linux to that local?08:10
lotharioI'm downloading the Warty right now. Can I install it?08:11
duncanmfabbione: and now you want the new XF86Config-4?08:11
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fabbioneduncanm: yes please, but use another name, so i can compare them08:11
tyranoyou have to link it yourself melazyboy08:11
melazyboyoh shit n/m its src not sources08:11
duncanmfabbione: oops08:14
duncanmdo you still have the old one?08:14
fabbioneduncanm: yes...08:14
duncanmfabbione: i uploaded it to the same name08:14
duncanmso save your current copy08:14
fabbioneduncanm: it looks ok.. other than you added another option too to the keyboard08:15
fabbioneduncanm: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start08:16
gsonwhat kind of theme does ubuntu use? GTK 2.x ?08:18
gson<--the noob08:18
nevyngson: yeah gtk2.0 and gnome 2.808:19
fabbioneduncanm: does it look ok now?08:19
Agrajagmore like gtk2.408:19
gsonan thnx08:19
nevynAgrajag: ok gtk2.4 but point is. not gtk 1 ;)08:19
Gmailmore like gtk2.508:19
Gmailin hoary08:20
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birmewill multisync be supported in ubuntu?08:20
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) multisync monitors?08:22
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GmailKneelBeforeXorg: no i will not08:23
nevynno the software for pda's08:23
gsonbah cant find any good themes08:23
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) Gmail: then FACE THE WRATH OF KRYPTON!08:23
s0cksGmail : Die.08:23
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) You sure showed him.08:24
Gmailr0b0rt i never knew that you l0ved me08:24
melazyboyI don't have a gmail account yet =[08:24
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gengmail is trendy08:24
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melazyboyyar =/08:25
melazyboyim out of the loop08:25
genthats the way to be08:25
nevyngmail is a privacy nightmare.08:25
gengmail is a nightmare alltogether08:25
birmeif there is a need for the multisync to be included in ubuntu, I could help... I initiated the debian support, now maintained by an debian developer08:25
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) birme: multisync monitors?08:25
birmein other words, I did the first debs08:25
birmeKneelBeforeXorg: no, sync with PDAs and phones08:25
nevynbirme: do you know about  synce support for multisync?08:25
genkneel, you don't read well08:25
(KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) birme: telephonic affection, eh08:26
melazyboynevyn... right because scripts reading through email is a new thing, there are probably 100 nodes that are reading what you do with some stupid tethereal prog and spewing out your whole life to the evil empire of gatorsoft08:26
Gmailbirme: already does08:26
Gmailits in universe08:26
birmeGmail: ok08:26
king_arthurmelazyboy: I can get you an invitation to Gmail if you want :-)08:26
Gmailking_arthur: can i have one08:27
Gmailking_arthur: i need another one08:27
nevynmelazyboy: let's not be rediculous... but. I wouldn't be using gmail for private communications is all I'm saying and that includes commercially sensitive stuf08:27
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melazyboyking_arthur: sure i would appreciate that, don't bother if it takes you too much time08:28
Mountainmanhey im lookin for some help on install of ubuntu08:29
Mountainmani ran the install like normal08:29
Mountainmanand it installed the GRUB boot loader08:29
Mountainmanbut on reboot to finish install GRUB wouldnt load ubuntu08:29
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Mountainmanany ideas?08:30
birmeMountainman: do you get any error message?08:30
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Mountainmanit just says please wait08:31
Mountainmanand never continues08:31
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duncanmfabbione: yeah, it works fine now08:32
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jysseFatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() and I have extension=mysql.so uncommented What's wrong ?08:37
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duncanmone more question,08:37
duncanmi tried to install dvdrip, i think the debian resource it points to assumes 'traditional' debian08:37
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duncanmand the pkg dependencies didn't pan out08:37
nevynduncanm: they won't.08:38
fabbioneduncanm: yes. you need to add multiverse to the repo list in /etc/apt/sources.list08:38
duncanmi have universe08:38
fabbionethere is also "multiverse"08:38
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nevyneven then you'll probably need marilat for libdecss08:38
duncanmnevyn: that's where i'm pointing it to08:38
duncanmdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main and all08:39
fabbioneduncanm: probably s/stable/unstable08:40
fabbioneis a better idea08:40
duncanmfabbione: i have all three08:40
fabbioneleave only unstable08:40
melazyboyIs mrproper needed w/ 2.6.x?08:40
fabbionethere might be problems if you do it differently08:40
nevynmrproper shouldn't ever be needed if you're not hacking the kernel08:41
duncanmThe following packages have unmet dependencies:08:41
duncanm  transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1: but it is not installable08:41
duncanm             Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 (>= 1.701.0) but it is not installable08:41
duncanm             Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.7) but is to be installed08:41
duncanm             Depends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed08:41
melazyboyand does make clean only delete logs or does it delete the .config too?08:42
duncanmi have restricted, universe, multiverse, warty-security main restricted and08:42
duncanmdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main08:42
duncanmnevyn: is there a way to resolve this dependency?08:42
nevynduncanm: :(08:43
duncanmnevyn: so no go?08:44
duncanmi thought i'd install debian because it'll be the easiest08:45
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duncanmnevyn: so it's hopeless? ;-/08:52
duncanmping pong...08:53
nevynduncanm: looks to me like it depends on things that are post ubuntu freeze.08:54
melazyboyman there isn't one good tutorial for compiling the linux kernel 2.6 and the new linux kernel howto from redhat fucking blows penis, talk about overly verbose and horribly organized08:54
duncanmnevyn: and there's no way to upgrade to the newer bits?08:54
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duncanmdum de dum08:58
melazyboyduncanm: Whats up duncanm?08:59
duncanmmelazyboy: i wanted to install dvdrip on warthy08:59
duncanmbut it depends on post-freeze bits08:59
duncanmand i dunno if it's possible to update to the later bits08:59
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melazyboyso what you did is bog down your sources.list with every repositiory out of despairity?09:00
king_arthurKamion: I have a install problem with warty09:00
duncanmi have restricted, universe, multiverse, warty-security main restricted and09:01
duncanmdeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main09:01
tyranoman i got TONS of errors upgrading to hoary :|09:01
duncanmi thought i'd give it a go cuz i just didn't want to admin this machine09:01
king_arthurI am having problems with setting up the xserver on a Warty install09:01
king_arthurcan anybody advise?09:02
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melazyboyduncanm: who cares, get rid of them all with the exception of the universe which should stay warty, and the top which should be changed to 'hoary' the ubuntu equiv of unstable apt-get update, then dist-upgrade and upgrade and try again the dep should be met09:02
duncanmmelazyboy: but it's a pretty big update, isn't it09:03
duncanmi was hoping to be using it to copy my DVDs by now09:03
melazyboyhrm try without upgrading you will still have to 'update' after you edit your sources.list09:03
king_arthurKamion: I have a install problem with warty, can you help with a couple of tips?09:04
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king_arthurKamion: It's the xserver09:05
melazyboywhats your problem exactly arthur?09:05
duncanmmelazyboy: like this?09:05
duncanmdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted09:05
melazyboyduncanm: Exactly, and keep the warty univers uncommented, then run a sudo apt-get update and try to install that package, apt-get install pkgnamegoeshere09:06
duncanmtranscode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1: but it is not installable09:07
duncanmDepends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed09:07
duncanmthat's better09:08
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melazyboyhrm libquicktime09:08
melazyboythat sounds like some horseshit apple thing09:08
melazyboyone sec lets see where we can get that09:09
duncanmi see it in packages.debian.org/unstable/source/libquicktime09:10
king_arthurI am gettimg a "no screens found" error message from the xserver. anybody, any clues?09:10
duncanmking_arthur: what video card?09:10
melazyboyduncam add that then to your sources.list09:11
king_arthurduncanm: trident09:11
duncanmking_arthur: i had an integrated graphics thing, and i fixed it by allocating more video memory09:11
duncanmking_arthur: but you're probably of a different case09:11
melazyboydeb http://packages.debian.org unstable source09:11
king_arthurduncanm: I tried dpkg-reconfigure09:11
king_arthurduncanm: didn't change a thing  :-(09:12
duncanmking_arthur: i'm new to using Debian09:12
king_arthurduncanm: :)09:13
king_arthurduncanm: welcome to the world of apt--get :)09:13
melazyboyking_arthur: configuring x is probably the second most difficult thing to configure by hand if dpkg didn't cut it there isn't much the best can suggest, if it said no screens found you might have to set to a legacy version of your moniter and video card in your xfree86_4.conf or whatever it is called09:14
king_arthuranyway, Debian  is no different dog than xserver09:14
melazyboyking_arthur: try running the command startx, and use its logging fetures to see what burned09:15
king_arthurmelazyboy: have done thestartx stuff09:15
melazyboyking_arthur: And it doesn't error out with a more usefull message/09:15
king_arthurmelazyboy: tells me Screens ound but none have usable configuration09:16
melazyboydid you try x -configure?09:16
king_arthurmelazyboy: not yet09:16
melazyboycat /var/log/Xfree.0.log09:16
melazyboywith a capital F09:17
melazyboyin free09:17
king_arthurmelazyboy: let me try09:17
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melazyboyyou might have to lspci and install the latest video module or build it into the kernel x could shit out because of that as well09:18
king_arthurmelazyboy: lit says no such a file or directory09:19
king_arthurmelazyboy: trident is found though09:19
king_arthurmelazyboy: in the dpkg-reconfigure I found all the correct parameters09:20
melazyboyking_arthur: I really have no idea what is happening =/ before when X was unable to install using dpkg, i simply moved too another distro, while i like debian the best i know what a pain in the ass both x and sendmail are to configure. and im simply to lazy, all i can say is verbose error messages into google are your friend =/09:21
king_arthurmelazyboy: thanks :(09:21
king_arthurmelazyboy: problem might be there are two video cards however, trident is found and correctly located into it's right h/w address09:22
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melazyboyno idea, your problem is way above typical linux user q/a, my best suggestion would be verbose error msges into google, linuxquestions.com or newsgroups your probably going to have to find a die hard x guru or a dev to answer specific x questions =/09:24
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melazyboynot to say your problem is specific to your -- just to say that the percentage of people that have any minor x problem is usually so miniscual that hunting them down is near impossible09:25
king_arthurmelazyboy: I know, I have been installing Debian from the "potato" times09:27
king_arthurmelazyboy:sometimes it' s a real pain in the butt :(09:28
melazyboyyea im along time deb fan as well, but only recently started using debian for workstations09:28
duncanmFailed to fetch http://packages.debian.org/dists/unstable/source/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found09:28
duncanmmelazyboy: so that didn't work09:28
king_arthurmelazyboy:I know all about hate and love affair with debian,,, :0)09:28
duncanmoh oh09:28
duncanmdeb-src, probably09:28
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melazyboyking_arthur: I change distros because i get pissed off at design functionality of another distro, as just recentlky i had a problem with yoper that caused a dev to suggest a reinstall, so i installed another distro, decented to try ubuntu seemed promacing09:29
duncanmi think i'm giving up09:29
melazyboyduncanm whats up you can get debian unstable in your repos?09:29
duncanmmelazyboy: i dunno, i just did what you suggested09:30
king_arthurmelazyboy: I'll stick to Ubuntu the best I found so far, this problem is h/w related on an old Pentium I for a friend09:30
mojoYES! YES! I found out why RealPlayer doesnt start up on Hoary!09:30
mojoThat's the SWF plugin09:30
melazyboyduncanm: You know your problem...09:30
attifinchim nto really like realplayer 10 for linux09:31
mojoPlease just remove swfformat.so and swfrender.so in plugins folder of RealPlayer!09:31
attifinchwish it was more like real one09:31
king_arthurboys I have got some work to do now, see you around, melazy still willing to send you invitation bye09:31
melazyboyduncanm: packages.debian.org does not have /dists/ =D09:31
melazyboyuse your web browser to find the locations =D09:31
duncanmof the dsc file?09:31
melazyboyso Failed to fetch packages.debian.org/dists/unstable, will inevidably yeild a 404 when there is no dist dir in packages.debian.org09:32
(crimsun/#ubuntu) use a proper url09:32
(crimsun/#ubuntu) [for instance, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free] 09:33
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melazyboyduncanm ok i got the line working that you need09:37
duncanmmelazyboy: how do you figure it out?09:37
duncanmi'm a total newbie when it comes to debian09:37
melazyboyso try this before you give up, simple add this line to your sources.list09:37
melazyboydeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib main non-free09:38
melazyboyaparently debian adds the dist after the last part of the url string, it then runs spiders through the rest of the args as dirs09:38
melazyboythat should add the newest and greatest debian respository to your list09:38
melazyboylibquicktime1 is listed.09:39
melazyboyapt-cache showpkg libquicktime1, v 0.9.3-209:40
melazyboythere do that and run an 'sudo apt-get update' and try installing your crpa again09:40
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melazyboygot it?09:41
duncanmi had to startup the machine again09:41
duncanmit's updating now09:41
Captainhey guys I got an idea.  If warty is not liked by my imac, why not install hoary? How close to stable is hoary?09:42
melazyboythats not a subjective question or anything..09:42
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melazyboydepends if your me, Hoary is overly stable.. its 100x greater than windows and more secure09:43
melazyboyIf you wear a tin foil hat when you watching the preview channel so as not to be mindwashed by the fat japenese guy selling ginko knives, chances are its far from acceptable..09:43
duncanmmelazyboy: nice! now it's going09:43
CaptainMy companrison is OS X09:43
melazyboyCaptain: Im sure its just as stable as OS X because OS X has no stability its all a gimmick09:44
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Captainyes and no.09:44
Captainis OS X what jobs wants everyone to think it is? no09:45
melazyboyinstall hoary, you can't loose anything your imac already doesn't like warty right?09:45
melazyboylive dangerously09:45
Captaintrue.  IT freezes a lot with warty, especially with xscreensaver09:45
Captainkernel panics too09:46
melazyboyI would09:47
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Captainbut I loved the speed.  This comp felt like a new one!  I just installed a ppc version of fedora and I miss apt-get (I learned out of all unlikly places on OS X with fink!)09:47
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melazyboy... hoary has apt-get and is faster than warty..09:49
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Captainyum really sucks, its slow as hell.  I've been wondering why it has to download headers everytime you install remove something?09:49
sid77Captain, you can always run yum -C after the first header dl ;)09:50
Captainu got me there09:50
sid77anyway, ubuntu rocks09:50
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Captainbut thre are other problems, I can't believe that I actually had to hack my way to video accel with this rpm based distro whereas ubuntu just set it up.  I also had, not too much setting my rinter up with ubuntu and I think I had my usb scanner working too (even a problem on debian sarge and woody).09:52
Captainso yeah thre's a ton of potential09:53
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Captainka thanks guys, I just wanted some feedback. confirmation09:55
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Gmailbob2: are you here?09:58
(bob2/#ubuntu) ?09:58
king_arthurmelazyboy: hoary is NOT faster than warty09:58
king_arthurat least on my PC09:58
melazyboyking_arthur: Should be uses x.org and newer versions of all the libs09:59
fabbionethis is a misconception09:59
king_arthurIs that the problem?09:59
fabbionenew stuff != faster09:59
fabbioneat all09:59
fabbioneit never was and never will09:59
melazyboy... your so smart...09:59
fabbioneif it is faster you are lucky09:59
king_arthurfabbione: do you agree that hoary is slooow?10:00
Gmailbob2: i am /msg ya10:00
fabbioneking_arthur: no and i don't agree that it is faster10:00
melazyboyfabbione: Thats right because newer algos, and better optimization don't exist10:00
fabbioneit is strictly subjective point of view10:00
king_arthurfabbione: dso what?10:00
(bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: why?10:00
Gmailbob2: because its offtopic here10:00
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fabbionemelazyboy: eh?10:01
fabbioneking_arthur: it depends on what you do.. on my machine i don't perceive any difference10:01
fabbioneking_arthur: but if you cannot provide specific numbers to prove your feeling og being slow10:01
fabbioneking_arthur: it is only your point of view10:01
king_arthurfabbione: I am using on a 2Gh clock PC10:01
fabbioneand no.. glxgear is NOT a benchmark10:02
fabbioneking_arthur: so do i, and?10:02
king_arthurfabbione: whenevr I click to open a window it takes a few seconds10:02
king_arthurfabbione: I guess something is wrong10:02
jdubking_arthur: what kind of window? have you installed gamin?10:02
fabbioneking_arthur: that can be related to: a) kernel b) memory c) bus d) state of the system e) swap f) what kind of window10:03
fabbioneking_arthur: and a bunch of other things10:03
king_arthurfabbione: have tried x.org but does not support my monitor10:03
fabbionethat is not a benchmark :-)10:03
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king_arthurfabbione: just any window in nautilus10:03
fabbioneking_arthur: still...10:04
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Gaarutoking_arthur, do you have upgrade to hoary ?10:04
fabbioneit can be nautilus that is slow10:04
fabbionenot "hoary"10:04
king_arthurfabbione: I agree10:04
fabbioneor perhaps one of the nautilus libs10:04
jdubking_arthur: install gamin.10:04
king_arthurfabbione: but the final result is a lot worse than warty10:04
Gaarutoking_arthur, just install this -> sudo apt-get onstall gamin10:04
jirwinhow come I can't find php4-imap?10:04
Gaarutoking_arthur, just install this -> sudo apt-get install gamin10:04
king_arthurfabbione: BTW what's gamin?10:04
jdubking_arthur: gamin is a replacement for fam.10:05
jdubthe file alteration monitor10:05
jdubit tells nautilus when files on the disk have changed10:05
king_arthurfabbione:  what's fam ? 8)10:05
jirwinfile alteration monitor10:05
Gaarutoi had the same problem before install gamin :)10:05
fabbioneking_arthur: you need to ask jdub that is talking to you10:05
fabbionenot me10:05
king_arthurI see10:05
king_arthursorry guys10:06
king_arthursorry guysI will give it a shot10:06
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king_arthuras a matter of fact I found that firsst time you start an app it's extremely slow, than it gets faster10:06
king_arthuris that normal?10:06
jdubdepending on the app, it makes a certain amount of sense10:07
king_arthurfirefox for instance10:07
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king_arthurtakes a while the first launch and then it starts rolling10:07
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king_arthurdoes that make sense?10:08
jirwini would presume, just because it is still in ram10:08
king_arthurwill give it a shot in a few minutes10:08
jdubwhen you open new windows, it's using the existing process10:08
jdubwhen you run it for the first time, it's loading it from disk10:08
jdubwhen you quit and run it again, it's loading it probably mostly from cache10:09
duncanmhey jdub10:09
duncanmjdub: i'm running Ubuntu at home10:09
duncanmjdub: it took a while to get things going, but it's running now10:09
jirwina specific dependency I am looking for isn't in the universe repo, any ideas where I can find it?10:09
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duncanmi might keep running it, cuz it's so much fun saying U-BUNN-TOO10:09
jdubduncanm: ooh-boon-too :-)10:10
duncanmjdub: exactly10:10
jdubhappy with the mono stuff?10:10
jirwinI am looking for php4-imap10:10
duncanmoh, i didn't try10:10
duncanmjdub: i bought a machine from dell for USD $60010:10
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duncanmjdub: and that included a 17" LCD!10:11
duncanmjdub: i plan on using it as a disk server, and to rip DVDs10:11
duncanmso the first thing to do is to install dvd rip10:11
jdubjirwin: it's not enabled - we chose not to support it due to security reasons10:11
duncanmwhat not10:11
duncanmjdub: it really didn't work at first, and i was close to giving up10:11
duncanmbut melazyboy told me the secret keyword to get the mainline debian repo to work10:12
(bob2/#ubuntu) jirwin: yes10:12
jirwinoh ok...so is there anyway for me to enable it?10:12
duncanmthe maillerat (sp?) stuff was dependent on it10:12
(bob2/#ubuntu) jirwin: you can download the php4 source package and rebuild it with php4-imap enabled10:12
jirwinoh ok...thanks10:13
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king_arthurhey boys, I installed gamin and lost the ability to use synaptic,,,10:21
king_arthurhow is that possible?10:22
king_arthurjdub: does that make any sense loosing synaptic after installing gamin?10:23
king_arthurI have also a problem with the session manager10:24
king_arthurit's asking me twice the same questions10:24
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king_arthurI have created a new user and that one works fine10:25
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king_arthuranyway I have gotta leave for a while see you around guys10:25
GmailGmail has a speel checker now10:26
Gmailbut it isn't list on http://www.google.com/gmail/help/whatsnew.html YET10:27
(bob2/#ubuntu) it has had it since it was launched10:27
(bob2/#ubuntu) also, please change your nick10:27
tyranogmail has pop3 support too10:27
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tcurdt_guys ...how far is hoary yet? thinking about upgrading from warty10:30
tcurdt_stability comparable with debian unstable?10:31
tcurdt_better ..worse?10:31
(bob2/#ubuntu) if you don't want to help debug it, don't upgrade10:31
tcurdt_well ...I don't mind if stuff breaks from time to time10:31
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tcurdt_but is it kind of useable already?10:32
tcurdt_I am kinda keen for the uft-8 support ...as well as for x.org ...of course :-)10:33
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xukuntcurdt_, I use hoary and I realy like it, not realy so much things break10:34
tcurdt_xukun: thanks ...that's what I wanted to hear :-)10:34
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xukunjust change warty in sources.list to hoary then update it and dist-upgrade10:36
agenteohi I'm experiencing a problem with grub on Ubuntu, I've found a guy with my same problem: "The file /boot/rub/stage1 not read correctly" after grub-install /dev/hda (http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/2004/Nov/21) but Ican't find a way out! I've just cleared some partitions but the one I'm using (that holds ubuntu and grub config) it's not changed10:36
tcurdt_xukun: I know :-) ...thanks anyway10:36
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melazyboydoes x.org use xf86config-4?10:44
(bob2/#ubuntu) no10:44
melazyboyI wonder why debian generated a file then for it?10:44
(bob2/#ubuntu) debian doesn't include x.org10:45
(bob2/#ubuntu) nor does warty10:45
melazyboyim using horay10:45
danielsand if you upgraded from Warty to Hoary, then your old file gets kept around10:45
danielsbecause deleting configuration files is a little rude10:45
melazyboytop of the file. this file was created by dexconf, the debian x configuration tool10:45
opisomeone told me he used xorg packages from Ubuntu in Debian10:45
melazyboyhrm didn't know that thanks daniels10:45
melazyboyI am..10:46
(crimsun/#ubuntu) opi: that's precisely what I'm doing.10:46
opicrimsun: oh, ok -- I just joined ;)10:46
(crimsun/#ubuntu) granted, when things break, I keep all the pieces.10:46
opicrimsun: haven't seen all thread10:46
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melazyboyis there an easy way to find out if you are using xfree86 or xorg, i have stuff from both as it would seem, im using hooray and have done a dist-upgrade and upgrade, shoulden't i be running xorg?10:54
(bob2/#ubuntu) ls -l /etc/X11/X10:55
melazyboyodd returns XFree86..=[10:55
rexiboyhey there10:55
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topylimelazyboy: X -version10:56
rexiboyI'm running hooray with xorg I suspect you 210:56
melazyboy=[ i thought that dist-upgrade with horay moved xfree86 to xorg10:56
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melazyboyno im not =/ i wish10:56
rexiboydid you try apt-get install xorg?10:57
topylimelazyboy: don't wish, check: do 'X -version'10:57
melazyboyno.. i thought it was included in dist-upgrade10:57
melazyboyI did topyli returns xfree8610:57
melazyboyif i apt-get xorg will dpkg clean up xfree86?10:57
topyliah. strange10:57
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topylimelazyboy: x.org will conflict with xfree and replace it10:58
rexiboynot sure if you first need to uninstall 86...10:58
topylithe upgrade will take care of everything10:59
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rexiboyanyone knows any good keyloggers for ubuntu?10:59
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xukuncalc, which type of laptop? and do you have a wlan card on it?11:07
melazyboywonder if anyone has made an apache module that allows you to order a kernel compile remotly11:07
melazyboywould be kind of interesting11:07
calcxukun: amd6411:07
melazyboyset it up at work and make sure it compiles properly11:07
calcxukun: arima w720-k8 (emachines m6807)11:07
melazyboyhave it ready when i come home11:07
calcxukun: the wlan is broadcom (gag)11:07
calcso it won't work11:07
calci'm still waiting on the intel 2915abg's to be released11:07
melazyboy... use ndiswrapper11:07
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melazyboyprobably will work fine11:08
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calcmelazyboy: doesn't work when there is no driver to begin with for the arch11:08
melazyboythere isn't a windows driver?11:08
calc04:07 < calc> xukun: amd6411:08
calcthere is only a driver that works on i38611:08
calcdoesn't work for amd64 or ppc, etc11:08
calcboth of which uses broadcom nics often11:09
topylimelazyboy: why apache?11:09
xukuncalc, ask #kanotix11:09
melazyboytopyli: because i dont need to ssh..11:09
calcwow supposedly a company got the 2915 in stock finally, too bad i have never heard of them before11:09
topylimelazyboy: i wouldn't let http daemons compile stuff on my server :)11:09
melazyboyits not a server and i would11:10
melazyboywoulden't seem to hard for perl to manage the .conf and issue out a command to run make, capture results and spew them back out11:11
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topylimelazyboy: if it serves http to the internet, i'd call it a server11:12
topylia webmin module might be nice11:12
melazyboyok so its a workstation running apache, or a server...11:12
melazyboyits not like anything running apache deserves the name server, i think all of my boxs have some version of apache on it11:13
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topylimelazyboy: sure. i run all sorts of services on my workstation. when i connect to it from work i think of it as "my server"11:15
topyliand vice versa :)11:16
melazyboyI prefer for simplicity and when not speaking of client/server realationships, to think of anything optimized for background processes as a server, while anything that is made to interact with a local user as a workstation11:16
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topylii don't think a webmin kernel module would be too hard to do. clickety-click configuration, hit "build", hit "reboot" :)11:18
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stratkingi have a dell inspiron 2650 and for whatever reason i cant change the sensativity of the trackpad11:18
melazyboytopyli: Neither do i11:18
stratkingwhenever i change the setting in  computer > mouse, it only affects any usb mouse thats plugged in11:19
stratkinganyone know how to change the trackpad settings?11:19
topylistratking: a colleague has a hp laptop like that :)11:19
stratkingoh really, w/ the same problem?11:19
stratkinghas he been able to get it working at all?11:20
topylishe ended up adjusting her fingers :)11:20
stratkingthats what i was afraid of11:21
calcman ubuntu is hard to install11:21
topylithat's original =)11:21
calcthese things that look like characters popped up and i think it was trying to get me to read11:21
stratkinglol, yeah11:21
calci almost made out something about entering a username before my brain shut off ;)11:22
calcjdub: good job :)11:22
topyliwarning: brain will be rebooted for maintenance in 30 seconds11:23
calci need faster internet this is going to take another hour to install :\11:23
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melazyboynoo kernel panic11:24
melazyboywhat a good way to piss on a party11:25
jdubcalc: install credits to Kamion :)11:25
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calcKamion: good job! :)11:26
calci did notice one odd thing in the partitioner though11:27
calcit doesn't seem to allow you to not format a partition that you want to setup11:27
calceg to automatically setup the mount point, instead of doing it later manually11:27
calciirc it used to have a separate option listed to format with it default on11:28
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topylihow would it know where to mount a partition? it can't know that i for example have a /home/pub partition :)11:29
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calctopyli: i mean the partitioner used to allow you to tell it what type/location a partition should be without also formatting it11:29
melazyboyhow come the new kernel doesn't use initrd?11:30
topylicalc: ah. without doing the "expert" thing?11:30
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calctopyli: perhaps not, i don't recall11:31
topylii did an "expert" install and could assign mount points to my /home and /home/pub which i didn't format11:31
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topylii don't think the default lets you do that11:32
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melazyboygod damn i don't understand this11:34
melazyboykernel panic11:34
calctopyli: i've probably never used the default install in the past11:34
melazyboyCannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct root= boot option11:34
melazyboyVFS unable to mount root fs on unkown block11:34
melazyboybut the other image works fine11:35
topylicalc: WE ARE THE EXPERTS11:35
melazyboyand it has the same root option11:35
calctonight i wanted to see what it would do as a normal user install :)11:35
calcwas very nice11:35
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topylicalc: another reason do the expert install: i want en_us as language, but finnish keyboard/timezone/paper/stuff11:37
topyliyou should see a finlandized user interface :)11:38
calctopyli: perhaps i will next summer :)11:38
calctopyli: i'm hoping to go to debconf5 in helsinki11:38
topylivery cool! i'm thinking of hanging around11:39
topylii don't think you'll see a finnish interface on finnish debian hackers' laptops though =)11:39
calcif they i18n'd it properly wouldn't it be good?11:40
calcor is there some other issue with it?11:40
topylicalc: the error dialogs would not fit on my 1600x1200 display11:41
calcis finland one of those countries where you just string lots of chars together to form a word-sentence?11:41
calcah :)11:41
topylibut primarily, i'm just used to machines speaking english. the finnish translations are not bad, but the vocabulary is alien to me :)11:42
calcif you just break the word with a hyphen it would work?11:42
(bob2/#ubuntu) melazyboy: you're building your own kernel?11:42
topylicalc: hyphenation would work. i don't know if gnome i18n takes that in account though. maybe it does11:43
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melazyboybob2: Yes i think its because i had devfs built in and according to this guru thats the problem11:44
melazyboyits obsolete and jesus hates it11:44
(bob2/#ubuntu) the default kernel works great11:44
(bob2/#ubuntu) it has devfs built in, but unused, which is fine11:44
melazyboy... i want my 686 kernel with modules needed build in, boot time is everything11:44
(bob2/#ubuntu) why?11:45
(bob2/#ubuntu) how often are you rebooting?11:45
melazyboybecause i need to compensate for something...11:45
melazyboyonce every 5yrs11:45
melazyboytheoretically i reformat once every 2 weeks out of boredom11:45
(bob2/#ubuntu) erm, ok11:45
(bob2/#ubuntu) maybe you should try knitting or something?11:45
melazyboytoo productive11:45
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melazyboyoh WTF11:47
melazyboymy kernel options just defaulted back to normal because of an error11:47
melazyboywhat a waste of time that was11:47
(bob2/#ubuntu) sounds like i11:47
(bob2/#ubuntu) t11:47
one_2_onehoary what is ?11:49
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calcone_2_one: development version of ubuntu11:49
one_2_onecalc, thks for the info11:50
topylithe unstable of ubuntu land11:50
one_2_onei can use packages from there ?11:50
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calci just installed hoary directly11:51
agwibowohas anyone in australia get the delivered ubuntu cd?11:51
topylione_2_one: i prefer to get hoary sources and backport them to warty11:51
calcagwibowo: i haven't gotten mine in the US yet11:52
calcnot sure how long its supposed to take11:52
topylino cds seen here in finland either. that's three continents already :)11:52
melazyboybecause downloading and burning the cd is so v. hard11:54
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thoreauputicmelazyboy: it is when you are on 56k dialup, yes11:55
topylithey're probably shipping quite a few, takes time11:55
calcmelazyboy: i ordered some to give away at a lug11:55
jdubagwibowo: some .au CDs have arrived.11:55
topylii'd just like to throw them at people at ork11:55
calci just do network installs for myself11:56
melazyboyits people like topyli That make me think its a very bad idea11:56
agwibowojdub: where about are you in au? i'm in melb...11:56
calcdownload 5mb iso and install from that :)11:56
melazyboysounds like a horrable buisness model anyway giving away cds when your product is already free11:56
jdubagwibowo: sydney.11:56
topylimelazyboy: it's not business. it's pr11:56
agwibowojdub: i see.. thx!11:57
calcsending some to daniels doesn't count ;)11:57
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melazyboytopyli: PR that costs money, i just have a hard time donating money to a company that selflessly gives out cds without knowing the receivers intensions11:57
calci doubt he has even been in .au in half a year though ;)11:57
calche seems to be bouncing all around US/EU11:57
topylimelazyboy: my intent is to get people looking at free software11:58
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melazyboytopyli: Well then i worry about others that will just throw the cds at people in an office11:58
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raphaMorning everybody!11:59
calchmm the wpa supplicant isn't in hoary yet?11:59
jdubmelazyboy: we don't expect donations. we only put up the donation link due to demand.11:59
raphaHow is everybody?12:00
melazyboySo how do you pay for cds and postage?12:00
topylimelazyboy: actually, i lied. i'm not going to actually throw them around. i'll think of another figure of speech for tomorrow12:00
danielsmelazyboy: canonical is paying for the shipping12:00
thoreauputicmelazyboy: google Shuttleworth Ubuntu12:01
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Moofis there a swat package for ubuntu?12:02
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stereo_Moof, yes, there is12:02
Moofstereo_: cos the one in universe refuses to install for me12:02
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stereo_Moof, version 3.0.712:02
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stereo_Moof, ah, i see12:03
agwibowowhat's PR?12:03
linux_mafiaas in firefox?12:04
agwibowodoes anyone know if 256MB nVidia GeForce 6800 GTO works with Linux ?12:04
danielsi assume he means 'public relations'12:04
topyliagwibowo: public relations12:04
linux_mafiapreview release12:04
Moofstereo_: any ideas?12:04
melazyboymost anything 'nvidia' and new iwll12:04
agwibowowhat about pentium 4  with HT? would linux takes it's full potential?12:05
stereo_Moof, wait for the new swat package... it's since a week broken.. samba came as a new version in ubuntu. swat has to follow12:05
Moofis there any particular reason that samab is in ubuntu main but swat isn't? given its part of the samba distro?12:05
stereo_Moof, so waiting or getting from a different source is the solution12:05
Moofstereo_: is the universe version goign to be fixed?12:06
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stereo_Moof, yes... but samba-universe has also ubuntu in its packagename12:06
stereo_Moof, i hope so12:06
topyliMoof: samba doesn't need swat12:06
linux_mafiaim running hoary, after my last update, firefox doesen't start, error is locale related, anyone else seeing this?12:06
stereo_Moof, but i'm not at ubuntu12:07
topyliMoof: btw, webmin has a nice samba module12:07
Mooftopyli: ture. but I'm trying to make this userfriendly for a co-admin of mine who is new to linux12:07
Captaincan someone tell me if there are hoary iso or do I have to just change sources.list ?12:07
stereo_Captain, just change the sources list12:07
jdubCaptain: change sources.list for now, the install CDs are not working very nicely :)12:08
deFryskwarty -> hoary in sources.list12:08
deFryskdo a dist-upgrade and change locales to utf-812:09
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Moofactually, yes,. that's the other thing. how do I get nautilus and the conosle and the x terminals to all think I'm utf-8? I'm trying to get this to be a file server for spanish files with utf-8 filenames12:11
wood1How do I access my NTFS drive ?12:11
Moofwood1: mount -t ntfs /dev/discs/thedevice /mnt12:11
wood1How do I mount my NTFS drive for both read and write ?12:12
Moofwrite is still experimental12:12
thoreauputicwood1: writing to ntfs is not supported12:12
Moofyou could seriously hose your disk12:12
topyliwood1: yeah, mount it read-only12:12
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(mjr/#ubuntu) wood1, if you really need that, there's a thing called "captive" that runs the windows ntfs driver in userspace, but that might require tweaking12:13
(mjr/#ubuntu) ("might" :)12:13
wood1where do I find the software for "captive" ?12:15
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(mjr/#ubuntu) Google.12:15
topyliwood1: last i looked, captive ntfs was brain damaged12:16
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Mooftopyli: what package is the webmin samba module?12:18
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Mooffound it12:19
Moofstarign straight at me12:19
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topyliMoof: webmin got me off medication :)12:23
danielsbob2: dnbr12:24
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papersmokehelo all12:25
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Moofis it valid to file ubuntu bugs for universe packages in case they decide they want to include them in main?12:26
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Moofwebmin's installation script needs reworking so that it doesn't just copy the root password12:27
Lowryhi all12:27
topyliMoof: it's broken anyway in that we should have root disabled. now you have to enable root, then make another webmin user as root, disable root again12:27
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Mooftopyli: hence should I file this as a bug, given it's in universe?12:31
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topylii don't think you should file a bug, unless you find it in the hoary proposed modules list (on the wiki)12:31
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Panquekashello can anybody tell me the exact location of usplash? because I search in /etc/usplash and I don't have anything :\12:31
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pisukethe out of memory killer12:31
pisukedecided to kill gdm12:31
paperflakePanquekas try which usplash12:31
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Panquekasnothing.. but it works on my computer :)12:32
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demon666_nlI'm new to XCHAT12:34
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demon666_nlhi peteog12:34
paperflakePanquekas: whereis usplash12:35
demon666_nlit's quiet here12:35
demon666_nlAnyone from holland ?12:35
wood1How do I mount a Network drive in Ubuntu ?12:36
Panquekaspaperflake, I tried that too.. and nothing..12:36
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topyliwood1: what kind of network?12:37
wood1topyli, A Windows Workgroup Network12:37
demon666_nlhttp://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html for the network drive mounting12:37
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demon666_nlthat's the starter's guide howto12:38
demon666_nlstarters obviously :P12:38
demon666_nlubuntu rocks .. I've got just 1 big problem. And it's asus/via's fault.12:38
topyliwood1: nautilus should just see the windows network if you have smbclient installed12:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: looking at scrollback, I recommend you don't use expert mode; everything you mentioned is available as an option in the normal install, and the UI in the normal install is much better and actually tested12:39
Plukhiya demon666_nl , im from holland12:40
demon666_nljust read the startersguide. Or click computer -> systemconfiguration -> networking -> general -> enable windows networking12:40
demon666_nlHi pluk!12:40
topyliKamion: it is? hmm. i'll try once i get to install ubuntu on yet another box :)12:41
(Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: the option's there; in warty, select "Keep and use the existing data in the partition" rather than "Format the partition"12:41
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topyliKamion: and the mixed locale stuff too?12:42
demon666_nlI've got a asus P4p800 deluxe motherboard with VIA VT6410 raid chip. I used raid0 in windows XP. But now I want to have acces to my data in ubuntu.12:42
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: expert mode doesn't provide that any more than normal mode does, AFAIK12:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: you can certainly select a Finnish keyboard in either12:46
(Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: but for the rest I recommend that you just select Finnish and then set LC_MESSAGES=en_US or en_US.UTF-8 or whatever in your environment later12:46
topyliKamion: ok, perhaps i'm too eager to be an expert :)12:46
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) "expert mode" is for debugging d-i or for weird special cases; it sets the debconf priority to low so that more questions are seen12:47
(Kamion/#ubuntu) in Debian it's propagated to the second stage of the install too, but we disabled that because other consequences of that propagation caused us problems12:48
Mooftopyli: the webmin samba module is not bad.12:48
Mooftopyli: it's missing any menton of filename character set mappign though12:49
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topyliKamion: that won't do for locales. i've noticed it's best to start from the C locale and make exceptions to that. but my setup is not too standard by any standard, and this is just "how i've always done it". i'll look at modernizing come hoary day :)12:49
topyliMoof: yes it's true. you get to edit smb.conf after all12:50
Mooftopyli: which is what I'm trying to avoid.12:50
topyliMoof: i have a win98 client here whose user is not happy either because i've been lazy with the charset stuff12:50
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Mooftopyli: I'm tryign to replace a windows fileserver wiht a linux one12:52
Mooftopyli: I work in spain.12:52
Moofguess what's going ot be come an issue? ;)12:52
topylii feel your pain. this is finland :)12:53
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topylioh goodie. i get to go to a meeting!01:00
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paperflakeen joy01:03
topyliheh. i have a hour. but it's on the other side of town01:03
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wood1Well I have the smb Network using the Nautilaus01:11
wood1I just want the command for mounting a Network PC on the shell01:11
Gmailwhen is modconf entering hoary?01:11
GmailKamion: i think you told me you where hacking the source binary in warty01:12
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(whiprush/#ubuntu) anyone feel like testing out my new ubuntu mirror? I'd like to see how fast it is for people.01:13
Gmailwhat contrey?01:14
(whiprush/#ubuntu) us01:14
Gmailit rsycne every what?01:15
(whiprush/#ubuntu) 6 hours01:15
(whiprush/#ubuntu) just starting universe right now though01:15
Gmailwhat connecty01:15
(whiprush/#ubuntu) it's been going most of the night01:15
(whiprush/#ubuntu) dunno, it's off our university connection01:15
(whiprush/#ubuntu) which is why I want to test it01:15
(whiprush/#ubuntu) yep01:15
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(whiprush/#ubuntu) deb http://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu warty main blahblah01:16
Gmailwell i am sticking with mirror.isp.net.au01:16
Gmailwhiprush: what about hoary?!?01:16
(whiprush/#ubuntu) universe is going to take a few more hours, but if anyone in here could test the speed that would be swell01:16
(whiprush/#ubuntu) yeah hoary also01:16
(whiprush/#ubuntu) i386 only for now though.01:17
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, I said I tried and failed01:17
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: I imagine that were I to try for hoary I would similarly try and fail; since it's universe, I don't generally get to work on it during paid hours01:18
jordijdub: ping01:18
GmailKamion: move it to main01:19
Gmailits only in universe because it doesn't work01:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: I beg your pardon?01:20
(Kamion/#ubuntu) we're not supporting it therefore it's not in main01:20
Gmailisn't the reason why you are not supporting it because you can't get it to work01:20
(Kamion/#ubuntu) no, it's because we don't feel it should be necessary01:21
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GmailKamion: why not?01:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) my discovery that I couldn't easily get it to work was well after the decisions about warty package lists were made01:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) use hotplug instead01:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) get the devices auto-discovered01:21
Gmaili can only make my sound work ia modconf01:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you could equally well make them work using modprobe; modconf is just a UI01:22
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, you can also edit /etc/modules by hand01:22
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Gmailbut i need to see the desciption of the module to be able to tell if i need it01:22
(Kamion/#ubuntu) besides we do not feel that such a solution is good for users; it's much better if it just works with no configuration, and you should file a bug when things don't work out of the box01:22
(Kamion/#ubuntu) so use modinfo01:23
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GmailKamion: i said my sound doesn't work out of the box a long time ago01:23
(Kamion/#ubuntu) is there a bug filed? IRC doesn't count01:23
Gmailis there a bugzilla bot01:24
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I certainly hope not ...01:24
Gmaili hate having to go off irc01:24
GmailKamion: there shou;d be01:24
(Kamion/#ubuntu) there so shouldn't01:25
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) you can survive outside an IRC client, you know; there are these things called "multiple windows" :-)01:25
(Kamion/#ubuntu) IRC is a hopelessly bad model for bugs01:25
Gmailand a pastebot01:25
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thoreauputicGmail: since when does filing a bug report mean you have to go off IRC?01:25
Gmailthe window min.01:26
Gmaili like having it max 24x701:26
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Gmaili browse even through irc sometimes01:26
Gmailwith lynx01:26
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: jeez, use multiple desktops01:28
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) I have IRC maximised too, that doesn't mean I can't do anything else01:28
jordijdub: just mailed you.01:29
jordiSorry, I got caught by stuff at work as soon as I arrived01:29
UdontKnowI have irc full-screen01:29
UdontKnowon one of my virtual desktops01:29
UdontKnow [Act: 2,3,6,9,12,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,47,48,49,50,51,53,54,55,56,57,59,60] 01:29
UdontKnowand I do lots of other things01:29
thoreauputicGmail: apt-get install root-tail ; irssi -c irc.freenode.net ; /set autolog on ; root-tail -f ~/irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu  :D01:30
TsjoklatKamion, to add ISO to locale.gen didn't help at all01:31
Tsjoklatit got worse01:31
Gmaili never get irc off my screen01:31
Gmailsomeone link me to bugzilla01:31
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: it's in the topic!01:31
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Gmaili ment to the right part to submit the bug01:32
danielsGmail: the part where it says 'new'01:32
Gmailwb king_arthur01:32
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nevyndaniels: boeish01:32
danielsGmail: honestly, if you can't be bothered working this out, I don't know why you spend so much time here01:33
danielsnevyn: sup01:33
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: don't expect people to babysit you01:33
king_arthurg'dday :-)01:33
nevyndaniels: nommuch.01:33
Gmaili am austrlia01:33
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nevyndaniels: seen kturtle.01:33
danielsGmail: so am I, and I know how to file bugs01:33
Gmaillaziness is in our blood01:33
danielsnevyn: is it something to do with logo?01:33
king_arthurGmail: ?01:33
nevyndaniels: maybe.01:33
thoreauputicGmail: speak for yourself, mate01:33
(bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: yours, perhaps01:33
nevynGmail: indeed.01:33
danielsGmail: that's a horrific excuse.  if you can't be arsed filing a bug, then I'm sorry to hear it, it's a shocker, but don't expect us to spoonfeed you the entire way through it.01:33
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king_arthurGmail: things are pretty lay-back downunder01:34
Gmail<gnurt> hi01:34
Gmail<Gmail> hi01:34
Gmail<gnurt> why don't ship to me cd01:34
king_arthurGmail: WE know that :-)01:34
nevynI havn't recieved cd's either :(01:34
Gmail<gnurt> i had order some weeks ago01:35
Gmail<gnurt> :(01:35
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I got them just last week; they're on their way I imagine01:35
(Kamion/#ubuntu) time of ordering is totally irrelevant01:35
Gmailwhy can't stupid n00bs ask in hear besides making me the midle man?01:35
king_arthurI got my CD's last monday01:35
king_arthuranybody else got CD's?01:36
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: if you think they're stupid then please don't inflict them on us01:36
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GmailKamion: there stupid to think i OWN ubuntu01:36
Gmailand i make ubuntu01:36
Gmailand i ship the ubuntu cds01:36
king_arthurGmail: congratulations01:37
linux_mafiaim running hoary, after my last update, firefox doesen't start, error is locale related, anyone else seeing this?01:37
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king_arthurGmail: you've done a terrific job so far01:37
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: well, you must've given them that impression; as I recall you used to use the nick "Ubuntu" or similar01:37
raphaSomebody shut up that guy please.01:37
Gmaillinux_mafia: no01:37
(bob2/#ubuntu) and before that you used GNU-Debian in #debian01:37
GmailKamion: i don't own ubuntu01:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: you know, as a Canonical employee do you think I might be a little bit aware of that?01:38
Gmaili own ubuntulinux but have used it 2 times and that was 3 weeks ago01:38
GmailKamion: i don't own ubuntu <<< THE NICK01:38
raphaGmail: What is it with you? Are you _bored_ or something?01:38
king_arthurGmail: stop stirring.. :-)01:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: dude, whatever01:39
Ycrosdo you own gmail?01:39
Ycros[ba-doom-chh] 01:39
Gmailyes i OW3 gmail01:39
danielsGmail: so if you want, you could politely let him know that #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, and his question is best answered in there01:39
king_arthurGmail: one you got from me..01:40
danielsGmail: the following are immensely bad ideas -- a) bitching loudly in #ubuntu about it, b) abusing him, whether to his face or not, c) continually being irritating01:40
Gmailbugzilla is loaded very slowly like its been slashdotted01:40
Tsjoklatdaniels, got a minute?01:41
danielsTsjoklat: sure01:41
(bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: also naming yourself after a webmail service which you have nothing to do with is a bit silly and annoying01:41
Tsjoklatdaniels, we spoke the other day about UTF-8 and you adviced me, or Kamion, to add ISO in the locale.gen01:41
Gmaili use gmail and my uculs.... works at Google01:41
Tsjoklatdaniels, this is causing me problems now... for example with gthumb and desktop background01:42
Gmaili guess i have something to do with it01:42
(bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: yes, but you don't ACTUALLY have anything to do with it01:42
danielsGmail: i am going to ask you to please remain both polite and on topic, with reference to the ubuntu community charter.  you are demonstrating persistent failure to do either, and it is immensely frustrating and degrades the channel for many users.01:42
raphaHey Kamion, my girlfriend wants to know how many employees Canonical has?01:42
king_arthurdaniels: very true01:42
(Kamion/#ubuntu) rapha: about 35 I think01:42
(bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: we all work for canonical and are not called "canonical" or "Ubuntu"01:42
Gmailwhat package to asign the bug to?01:42
danielsKamion: 39 at last count01:42
danielsGmail: what bug are you actually attempting to file?01:43
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: damn that Mark guy, he keeps hiring01:43
Tsjoklatok I guess we are too busy dealing with Gmail again01:43
raphaThanks Kamion01:43
Gmailthe one Kamion told me to file01:43
danielsTsjoklat: ok, sorry.  so what exactly did you do?  and what did you select as your default locale?01:43
TsjoklatI'll ask for your help another time daniels01:43
demon666_nlHow's the female participation here ?01:43
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: (can you call it ISO-8859-1 rather than ISO? there are lots of ISO-* encodings and just saying ISO is a bit confusing ...)01:43
danielsGmail: file it on UNKNOWN and we'll attempt to triage it into something useful01:44
Tsjoklatdaniels: sorry ISO-8859-1 I added to the UTF-8 line01:44
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you added it to the *UTF-8* line?01:44
Tsjoklatdemon666_nl two I know off01:44
(Kamion/#ubuntu) can you put /etc/locale.gen up somewhere? it sounds mangled01:44
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Tsjoklatyes you, Kamion and/or daniels adviced me that01:44
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: I *so* didn't, nor did daniels01:44
jordiKamion: hey he doesn't hire me ;)01:44
TsjoklatKamion..... please01:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: I said that the en_US entry should have the ISO-8859-1 encoding01:45
danielsTsjoklat: if you can put your /etc/locale.gen up somewhere, it would help us immensely01:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yep, agreed01:45
Tsjoklatdaniels, where would you like me to do that?01:45
danielsTsjoklat: if you don't have web space somewhere, you could email it to daniel.stone@canonical.com and cjwatson@canonical.com01:45
jordijdub: saw the mail? Do you think anything else is needed?01:45
Gmailits a blocker as with out it you need to fix modconf and you will never do that01:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, it's not a blocker01:46
Tsjoklatalright... do you need the enviroment one too daniels?01:46
danielsTsjoklat: these sorts of things are notoriously difficult to sort out, so as many exact details as possible will always help :)01:46
danielsGmail: no, it's severity normal.  ubuntu is not useless without it.01:46
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: we'll downgrade if you file it at blocker01:46
danielsTsjoklat: yeah, that would be good, thanks01:46
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: you can perfectly well load the module without modconf01:46
jdubjordi: nup, that's fine, thanks01:46
Gmailforgot about that01:47
Tsjoklatdaniels great thank you for the e-mail01:47
jdubjordi: unfort, i was hoping to put most of that stuff in the second week :|01:47
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) (anyway, who says we'll *never* fix modconf? we just haven't ... somebody in the community who's interested could do it and send us the patch to the source package)01:47
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: that isn't a bug report.01:48
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: supply details, man01:48
danielsGmail: we need the output of lspci, the output of lspci -n, probably the output of dmesg also01:48
danielsGmail: unfortunately we are not psychic, and while we like to think we are good at we do, we are not able to establish a mind meld with your computer from the other side of the world01:48
Gmailasus site says01:49
danielsGmail: while not being specific saves you time, every detail you omit makes your bug report far less likely to be solved01:49
danielsGmail: dude, lspci, lspci -n, dmesg01:49
danielsGmail: without that we cannot solve the bug.01:49
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Gmailwhat do you want01:50
daniels13:50 < daniels> Gmail: dude, lspci, lspci -n, dmesg01:50
Gmaillspci -n01:50
Gmailor lspci01:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) run those three commands, attach the three files01:50
thoreauputicGmail: For heaven's sake - he just told you what he wants!01:50
Gmailall 301:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: most people don't need this repeated four times01:51
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: please think, so that other users can use this channel too without quite so much noise01:51
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jordijdub: fuck!01:53
Gmailsent hell of a lot of info01:53
danielsGmail: where?01:54
Gmailmid air coltion01:54
Gmailstupid bugzilla error01:55
jdubjordi: we can sort it out :)01:55
Gmaili crashed into someone01:55
Gmailok pasted all that info01:55
GmailITS LONG01:55
Gmail1000 lines +01:55
demon666_nldoes anyone know how I get a VT6410 chip to work in a 2.6.x kernel ?01:55
jordijdub: great ;)01:56
Maydayis gdesklets broken i hoary atm?01:56
Gmailsomeone is going to want to do some grep'ing on that report01:56
danielsGmail: yes, we are familiar with the tool and will likely exercise it01:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) 808624d5 sound i810_audio 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller01:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: what module did you have to load?01:57
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danielsKamion: discover1-dat ... er, yeah01:57
danielsKamion: fools never differ01:57
(Kamion/#ubuntu) demon666_nl: try 'modprobe sata_via'?01:58
Gmaili can't remember but one was ac'97 another one has i665 my chipset01:58
Gmailand one more01:58
(Kamion/#ubuntu) demon666_nl: although I don't know if that chip is supported yet01:58
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: you'll need to remember01:59
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danielsGmail: if you can't tell us which module you needed to load, then we can't solve this bug of yours01:59
danielsGmail: again, details are paramount01:59
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: I'm assuming that you're definitely using that PCI soundcard that's reported in the output you sent02:00
rjekIs it worth upgrading to hoary yet in order to test it a little, and report anything I find with it?02:00
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GmailKamion: it took #alsa 17hr o figure out which one02:00
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Gmailand they did it by probe all of them Till we fund which one it was02:01
jordiGmail: afaik, alsa developers don't live in #alsa unfortunately.02:01
Gmailand removed the one that didn't seem to kill my sound02:01
danielsGmail: unfortunately we don't, as jordi alluded to, live in #alsa02:01
danielsGmail: if you can let us know what the fellows in #alsa said, that would be great.  we don't have a mind-meld to them, either.02:02
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danielsGmail: 'change it to something' isn't useful02:02
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Gmailit was 5-6 months ago02:02
jordiGmail: if you removed the module and sound kept going on, err, you rpobably were using either another soundcard, or another sound module.02:02
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: looks like discover1-data lists the OSS module02:02
jordi(I haven't read the bug report)02:02
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: should we be listing the corresponding ALSA module instead?02:02
jordiGmail: have you ruled out that you might have OSS modules loaded?02:03
danielsKamion: for 808624d5?02:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: yeah02:03
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) i810_audio is oss02:03
danielsKamion: looks like snd-intel8x0 is the way to go02:03
Gmailjordi: if i had modconf i cound do what i did last time02:03
(bob2/#ubuntu) modconf doesn't help02:03
Gmailand thats was install every module i cound02:03
danielsKamion: want me to take ubuntu3 doing a global i810_audio->snd-intel8x0?02:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) if you want to randomly try them all, do so02:04
jordiGmail: I haven't used modconf in like 4 years, forget the thing.02:04
danielsGmail: does sound work now, or not?02:04
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: yeah; are we doing this for other drivers?02:04
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: sounds good to me02:04
Gmaildaniels: you told me to proble something?02:04
cenerentolaciao a tutti.02:04
danielsKamion: every one of them02:04
danielsGmail: what?02:04
jordiGmail: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4058 <<--- is this your bug report?02:04
Gmailsorry its past my bed time02:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) jordi: yes02:04
danielsKamion: looking at a quick grep, d1-data generally deals in OSS02:05
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: there's a few ALSA modules in there too, but yeah02:05
danielsGmail: goodnight02:05
cenerentoladaniels: i had some problems with warty security upgrades, after a synaptic smart upgrade && rebooting, gdm started in 640*48002:05
danielsKamion: right, I'll ALSAify it today02:05
cenerentolagmail: goodnight02:05
danielsKamion: just doing battle royale with l-r-m right now02:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: 'course, we're probably ditching it for PCI modules for hoary, but still :)02:05
danielsKamion: heh02:05
danielsKamion: we're hotplugging hoary, yeah?02:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yeah02:06
cenerentoladaniels: when before it was 1200*800 or something like that...02:06
danielscenerentola: did you change your configuration by hand before?02:06
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jordidaniels, Kamion: is ubuntu using alsa-base at all?02:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: we are02:06
danielsbob2: dnbr02:06
jordiKamion: and discover?02:06
cenerentoladaniels: no but i used NVIDIA BINARies02:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: hm, modules.pcimap lists both snd-intel8x0 and i810_audio for 808624d5; what happens?02:06
jordierr, discover1 or discover2?02:07
Gmailis it possible for asus to provided the modules needed02:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: discover102:07
danielscenerentola: so you changed your configuration ...02:07
danielsKamion: phase of the moon, surely?02:07
jordimaybe it's the old alsa-base package that didn't have the discover1 blacklist. We added that more or less recently02:07
danielsKamion: whichever one gets loaded first claims, and the other loses02:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: modprobe -r i810_audio; modprobe snd-intel8x002:07
danielsGmail: no02:07
danielsGmail: if you execute the commands Kamion just told you, you should get working sound02:07
cenerentoladaniels: could you please help me finding out the problem so i can write a little text to avoid this problems02:08
jordiif he removes the snd-intel8x0 module and sound kept working, it looks like OSS captured the hw to me02:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: seems to me that it's not so much a discover1 blacklist that's needed as a list of replacements02:08
(bob2/#ubuntu) daniels: nice02:08
jordiKamion: aha. Well, that if you complete want to rule out OSS.02:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: we have 1.0.5a-1ubuntu6 in warty, 1.0.6a-11 in hoary02:09
jordiI have a via82xx myself that isn't that new anymore and still only works with OSS02:09
jordiand this guy was using hoary?02:09
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: doubt it02:09
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Gmaili have02:09
jordiGmail: hoary?02:09
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: do you have a hotplug blacklist too?02:09
jordiok, that makes things complicated.02:09
jordiKamion: yes02:09
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: never mind, I just saw it in the changelog02:10
Gmailsound only worked in debian thanks to modconf02:10
jordiwe're only missing discover2, becuase they added the discover.conf.d thing just yesterday or so.02:10
danielsjordi: really?  i have a via8233 and it works fine with alsa02:10
jordiand it's going to be not-so-trivial to add that blacklist. They chose to make simple things complicated.02:10
jordidaniels: it's just a very specific revision of the chip02:10
jordiI two other via82xx soundcards elsewhere and they work just ok.02:11
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jordiIt's just my mother's.02:11
sfrankhi all02:11
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jordidaniels: let me dig a URL02:11
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cenerentoladaniels: will you do it?02:11
Gmailok i have the sound applet loaded02:12
ninjaanyone know why I'm getting 'Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-rossg-' a lot?02:12
danielscenerentola: which problem?02:12
danielscenerentola: sorry, not paying much attention to IRC right now02:12
danielsjordi: ahr, that sucks02:13
cenerentoladaniels: have you got time or should i mail you, or simpl stfu?02:13
queuetueHello.  I'm considering becoming a rhel/fedora convert to ubuntu, and possibly getting involved with the development community.  Does the geenral ubuntu community work hard to be friendly and inclusive, or is it just a name?  (It's Debian roots have me a little worried. :) )02:13
danielscenerentola: which problem do you want to document?02:14
Gmaillol my speakers arn't pluged into power02:14
cenerentolaits the second time that after a smart-upgrade... i have this kind of problem02:15
jordidaniels: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=11802:15
jordidaniels: I wish I could find the "datasheet" :)02:16
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jordiI suspect the fix might be a two liner02:17
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danielsthat sucks! i have to login to view bugs?02:18
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queuetueWhere would I find the list of current packages and versions that ship with ubuntu?02:19
jordidaniels: doh, realyl?02:20
jordino, there should be an anon login02:20
jordiwell, yeah, you have to login as anonymous.02:20
jordiyay mantis.02:20
cenerentoladaniels: afais this is not the right time, ill bother you later then ;)02:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: there are Packages.gz files on the mirrors that provide a complete index02:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: we have people working on a somewhat more user-friendly solution02:22
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jordiSynaptic could easily show a table with that info, right?02:22
the_onehi everybody02:23
cenerentolasince someone in the mailing said that nv driver are usable on a toshiba laptop, who can help me setting it up because i cant really say its a clear view..02:23
robertjhas there been any further discussion on wheather to bring mono into the fold?02:23
the_onejust upgraded to hoary02:23
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the_oneworks like a charm!02:24
robertjthe_one: check out update-manager and gnome-app-install02:24
the_onerobertj: thanks for noticing be about them...if these apps are doing what their name seems to tell me, it's even better than I have expected!:)02:26
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cenerentolaim in 1280*800, but its not clear..02:26
cenerentolagraphics are not well defined...02:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: right, but it's interesting for people who haven't installed yet too02:27
the_onehow does the update-manager behave if I leave the universe repositories enabled? Will it mess with important stuff? Upgrading from where it shouldn't?02:28
robertjis there a gui option planned for "transparently take care of all my updates"02:28
robertjthe_one: I think it just does a dist-upgrade02:28
jdubrobertj: not transparently02:29
the_onerobertj: is it ok if I left the universe repositories enabled?02:29
robertjyeah but it's going to get upgraded02:29
robertjso if that's okay...02:29
robertjjdub: why not?02:29
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the_onemaybe I don't need the update-manager yet..02:30
jdubrobertj: because no one's proposed doing it, and thus far we just have notifications of updates.02:30
robertjI was thinking it was just shying away from system breakage02:30
robertjsecurity updates would probably need to be tagged so that there could be different update configs02:31
robertjmost users would probably only want to update things that opened themselves up for remote exploits02:32
jordiKamion: nod02:32
cenerentolajdub: who's/are the wiki mantainer/s?02:33
jdubrobertj: security updates are in a different component02:33
jdubcenerentola: no one in particular02:33
robertjjdub: really?02:33
jdubrobertj: yes02:33
cenerentolajdub: because ive got some probs with the account02:34
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jdubrobertj: update manager lists all udpates available02:35
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robertjjdub: so does ubuntu do non-security based updates to stable repositories?02:35
robertjI guess it's good for third party software02:35
jdubthere's warty, warty-security and warty-updates02:35
jdubalthough we're not using -updates for warty for various reasons02:35
cenerentolaok.. ive installed ubuntu on a m30, it has a nvidia fx go5200, what driver should i use?02:35
robertjohh, so warty-updates is kinda the backports.org of Ubuntu?02:36
(bob2/#ubuntu) cenerentola: nv, which will be selected automatically02:36
jdubwe don't do that at all02:36
jdubwarty-updates is non-security updates, generally important bugfixes, etc.02:36
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cenerentolabob2: yep, you're right, but what i see on the screen is not really well defined..02:36
robertjwhich there won't be any of right ;)02:37
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Qo-noShmmm http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/screenshots/screen.html ;-)02:37
jdubthere have been -updates worthy updates already02:37
the_onedoes someone know if hoary will use the new debian installer?02:37
cenerentolabob2: its not readable02:37
jdubthe_one: warty uses d-i02:37
jdubthe_one: hoary will also use d-i02:37
robertjbut for technical reasons they were either ignored or moved to warty?02:37
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jdubrobertj: they were put in warty-security (-updates wasn't listed in the default sources.list -> bug)02:38
Qo-noSthink what the_one is asking is will Hoary be using RC2 of the d-i? right the_one?02:38
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Qo-noS: hoary already is, roughly02:39
(Kamion/#ubuntu) the_one: we merge regularly from Debian sid up until our upstream version freeze; after that we cherry-pick updates as required02:39
cenerentolabob2 : http://pastebin.com/12298002:39
the_oneqo-noS: yes02:39
robertjhehe, I noticed talk of a gtk-installer get smacked down again ;)02:39
(bob2/#ubuntu) cenerentola: sorry, don't know enough about x to help02:39
(Kamion/#ubuntu) the_one: hoary already has some fairly radical changes from d-i though02:39
(bob2/#ubuntu) (and at work atm)02:40
(Kamion/#ubuntu) robertj: it was hardly smacked down02:40
Qo-noSthe_one: you have the answer now from kamion ;)02:40
(Kamion/#ubuntu) robertj: we just didn't have time to commit to doing it for hoary02:40
the_oneQo-noS: thanks m802:40
(Kamion/#ubuntu) robertj: it's a huge job, six months is too short when other major changes have to happen too02:40
cenerentolabob2:anyway, thanks a lot02:40
robertjIt doesn't seem to matter much. The supposed-experts at OSNews have got other favorited targets of derision.02:40
(Kamion/#ubuntu) the reviews of warty's installer have been pretty positive in general02:41
kentKamion, will the up2date-kind of program be shipped with Hoary? I think i've seen a screenshot on planet.gnome about that. It looks very good.02:41
robertjYeah, I've been real pleased. Except for the hostname thing (which we talked about earlier), and the partitioning, I don't think it could get any easier02:41
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kent: no idea, I don't do desktop stuff02:41
the_onewhat do you guys think of autopackage? it first sounded great, but I didn't hear anything about it since months.02:42
cenerentolawho does know when mozilla thunderbird will be released?02:42
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kentKamion, i managed to get my brother install warty on his computer (over the phone) and he is not realy a geek, so the warty installer is not that bad.02:42
robertjAnd, the partitioning step actually takes a little bit of understanding to do without screwing stuff up.02:42
cenerentola..sorry i mean mt 1...02:42
robertjAnd if your willing to screw stuff up it is easy enough to nuake it and install02:42
robertjbut my wife was quite confused about all this "Slave Business"02:43
the_onebtw, has anyone read this fedora vs ubuntu @ http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8964 ??02:43
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robertjyeah, pretty useless02:44
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robertjOSNews is where you go when you compulsively read slashdot to such an extent that there is nothing left that is current so you read osnews anyway02:46
the_onethere are so many redhat fans that switched to fedora after the discontinuation of the redhat desktop, and they are so pationatelly defending fedora. Just curious, what do they find so great about it?? Everytime I've looked into it it has been a bad experience. Bugs, unpolished, unstable...the list keeps on going.02:47
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robertjIt was initially very exciting. It had some new eye candy with the boot splashes, plug & play started to work, etc02:48
robertjBut the development process lagged in getting the community involved02:48
robertjAnaconda is a great installer but the lack of a common upgrade processes is a major flaw02:49
robertjyou can use yum and apt to upgrade but it's not really supported or tested02:49
the_oneso the fedora fans enjoy troubleshooting all the time,is that it?02:49
pisukefedora fanboys enjoy downloading iso CDs02:51
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the_one5 iso for a buggy distro02:52
the_onewhat a waste02:52
pisukebut it's nice that in linuxland we have so many distros, imho.02:52
birmeeasy upgrading is the key to secure system IMHO02:55
karakthI've got a queuestion.02:59
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karakthWould booting from a liveCD on a school computer break any of the following rule(s): Users are not allowed to install any software or change any settings without asking the technician first.03:00
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(bob2/#ubuntu) no03:01
(bob2/#ubuntu) but it doesn't matter, since they'll get annoyed at you anyway03:01
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karakthThis is a computer running windows and internet explorer without any anti-virus.03:02
karakthThe only thing it can do is boot.03:02
karakthNothing else works.03:02
karakthIt's winsocks were deleted.03:02
karakthNo-one uses it.03:03
karakthHmm, when booting from the ubuntu liveCD, will I have to stay configuring the network each time?03:03
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the_onekarakth: make sure no-one's around :)03:04
karakthWell the Librarian's seventy-something.03:04
karakthSometimes he mutters stuff when I open word.03:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) if the network uses dhcp, it will be setup automatically03:05
the_onebob2: schools and institutions usually have some fixed ips03:05
(bob2/#ubuntu) my uni hands out ips from their class B with dhcp on some nets03:06
the_onecould have even MAC address restrictions03:06
the_onenot that it would matter03:06
(bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, some bits have mac restrictions03:06
kensaiare Gnoppix live cd and warty livecd exactly the same?03:06
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the_oneanyway, how is the ubuntu live cd? never tried it... is it good as a demo, I mean, does it offer at least the level of stability and consistenci that the hd install does?03:07
(bob2/#ubuntu) it's the sameish03:08
karakthI'm downloading the wart liveCD; I plan to distribute copies of it to my poor windows-using friends.03:09
the_onewould it be possible to have a ubuntu live cd with xine, totem-xine and libdvdcss2??03:09
(bob2/#ubuntu) if you want03:09
karakthThat is, if I find it's easy enough for my brother to use.03:09
(bob2/#ubuntu) but no company is going to distribute it03:09
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the_onebob2: I guess I'd have to do it myself..03:10
(bob2/#ubuntu) yes03:10
karakthSo, how easy is ubuntu to use?03:10
kentkarakth, it was easy enough for my brother to install. I walked him through on the phone, it was mostly a couple of "press enter" and your fine.  But he did not want to use windows, i guess that made it more easy03:10
netmonkdoes anyone know how can I disable synchronizing the clock with ntp.ubuntuwhatever.org at boot time?03:11
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karakthkent: Only going to give people some LiveCDs to whet their appetite for linux ;)03:12
karakthMany of my friends are still in denial and say that they're fine in Windows.03:12
kensai 09:03:12 up 160 days,  7:39,  0 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.15, 0.1303:12
(bob2/#ubuntu) netmonk: rm /etc/rcS.d/*ntpdate03:13
kentkarakth, when my brother got ADSL his windows managed to be usable for about a week, after that the computer went on its knees, it was slow and often crashed.  Thats not so good for a operating system :)03:14
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karakthkent: Any idea why it did that?03:14
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kentkarakth, spyware and stuff.  As he's not so good ad administration and stuff, he never understood how to use a firewall, get updates and stuff. Just install a few apps from the internet and the computer will go nuts..   :(03:16
robertjkent: I admin a bunch of boxen that run XP, as well has having 3 XP boxes at home with no problems.03:18
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kentrobertj, Well, yeah.. i never sad it was impossible, just that since my brother just wanted to use his computer, not admin it, HE thought windows was not good and wanted to try Linux.03:20
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saltairupdate-rc.d -f ntpdate remove03:20
gnobodywhen did the CDs ship?03:20
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gnobodyI reinstalled Windows XP and NTLDR overwrote Grub how do I get Grub back??03:21
(bob2/#ubuntu) gnobody: the first set shipped a couple of weeks back03:21
(bob2/#ubuntu) people in europe are getting theirs already03:21
gnobodythanks bob203:22
kandinskihey, does ubuntu-live have a networkboot-server?03:22
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(bob2/#ubuntu) you mean tftpd?03:22
(bob2/#ubuntu) I doubt it very much03:22
kandinskiknoppix's networkboot kernel does not reconginze my hard too well03:22
kandinskiPXE, I think03:22
kandinskiI am not very good, I admit03:22
(bob2/#ubuntu) erm, server != "network boot kernel"03:23
(bob2/#ubuntu) you want to boot ubuntu over the network?03:23
kandinskimy tabletpc is not usb-bootable and has no cd03:23
kentgnobody, reboot using the ubuntu cd and run grub? perhaps you need to remount your harddrive as root before, dont know how to do that right now( / )03:23
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gnobodyI have a mepis live cd would that help?03:24
gnobodyit can mount my drives03:24
kandinskiI need to install debian by network-boot so03:24
(bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: what are you trying to do?03:24
kandinskiinstall debian on my tabletpc03:24
(bob2/#ubuntu) gnobody: mount your /, chroot into it, run "grub-install"03:25
(bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: ok. so you're asking if you can install ubuntu using PXE?03:25
gnobodyk thanks bob03:25
kandinskiyes and no03:25
gnobodyIll try that03:25
netmonkbob2, is that all?03:25
kandinskiI want to install whatever debian, sarge or ubuntu03:25
(bob2/#ubuntu) netmonk: ?03:25
(bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: they can all install using PXE03:25
kandinskibut I need to use ubuntu to boot it03:25
(bob2/#ubuntu) why?03:26
kandinskibecause I don t know enough debian to set up a server myeslf03:26
(bob2/#ubuntu) your hardware doesn't support PXE?03:26
(bob2/#ubuntu) oh, you don't have a server at all03:26
(bob2/#ubuntu) how could you boot anything then?03:27
kandinskimy tablet pc only boots off pxe. I don't know how to set up a server, so I usually do it via knoppix, but its kernel does not recognize my disk well. if ubuntu carries a preset pxe bootserver (as knoppix does) I would like to try it, as I think it recognizes my hardware.03:28
kandinskiI have a second pc.03:28
(bob2/#ubuntu) how do you boot knoppix on it to begin with?03:29
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kandinskiit craps out halfway03:29
(bob2/#ubuntu) blah03:29
kandinskiboots but does not recongize IDE03:29
(bob2/#ubuntu) how do you boot *anything* on it?03:29
(bob2/#ubuntu) you don't have a pxe server03:30
kandinskiso that is why I ask whether ubuntu carries PXE server03:30
kandinskias knoppix does03:30
kandinskipc+knoppix==pxe server, just not good enough03:30
kandinskiso my question is:03:31
kandinskipc+ubuntu==pxe server? (then I find out if it is good enough)03:31
(sladen/#ubuntu) kandinski: that's a good idea. Could you file a WISHLIST item on bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?03:31
kandinskiquestion: does ubuntu-live carry a pxe server?03:31
kandinskiyes, I will do that03:31
kandinskithanks both of you03:32
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kentby the way, Ubuntu added som strings to Gnome that are not translated (not to swedish at least), are they beeing worked on for Hoary? It seems a bit weird to not translate them, since they dont seem to so many of them..03:35
demon666_nlDoes anyone know how to get a PATA RAID working using a VIA VT6410 chip in kernel 2.6.x ?03:35
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(bob2/#ubuntu) kent: patches welcome! ;-)03:36
the_onebye guys, gotta go03:36
(bob2/#ubuntu) demon666_nl: sure it's real raid?03:36
(bob2/#ubuntu) adios03:36
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: you should be able to install tftpd-hpa while running the live CD; I believe it's possible to install additional packages into the ramdisk03:36
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: extra packages wouldn't fit on the live CD itself, but try installing it over the network03:37
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[A] ndy80hi03:39
[A] ndy80where can I find the ncurses-devel ? I need them to make menuconfig, recompiling kernel03:39
(bob2/#ubuntu) libncurses5-dev03:39
[A] ndy80tnx :)03:40
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kentbob2, do ubuntu keep track of strings they have changed, and if they are accepted upstreams? if accepted upstream, i guess they will be translated in time..03:42
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) kent: a lot of string changes are branding changes, unfortunately03:47
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kent: which obviously can't be accepted upstream03:47
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kandinskithe point of knoppix-terminalsever (or the future Ubuntu-terminalserver) is that people like me can use it without knowing much03:48
kandinskiif I could install and configure tftpd-hpa or whatnot I would be rolling my own03:48
kandinskiKamion: two predecing lines are for you03:49
kandinskikamion: the reason I am going the ubuntu way is I have been told your kernels are the best03:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: a terminal server derivative of the live CD would be cool03:50
kandinskikamion: couldn't it be the same CD?03:50
kandinskikamion: how much space can this take?03:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) it can start out as a derivative and then get merged back in once it's been shown to work03:50
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) the live CD is unbelievably close to its space limits, I understand03:51
kandinskipriorities priorities03:51
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kandinskimake 8-inch cds03:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I don't do anything live-CD-related myself, but lamont was trying to work out what to cut out just before the warty release03:51
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zenwhenI wasnt a live cd really bad03:54
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zenwhenI hope those free cds come soon.03:54
kandinskianyway, you coming to Matar?03:55
kandinskiany of you?03:55
(bob2/#ubuntu) yup03:55
kandinskiI am looking for a really cheep penion03:56
zenwhenWhats that?03:56
kandinskipension, sorry03:56
kandinskito stay in. looking forward to meeting you people.03:56
(Kamion/#ubuntu) (pension in English means what you get paid after you retire)03:57
kandinskiyes, I am incredibly thick today03:57
Tsjoklathey zenwhen :)03:57
kandinski(have not slept in order to meet a deadline)03:57
kandinskiin any case, I assume you guys will be staying at the main hotel, but if anyone needs a rilly cheap place, I am in Spain and looking for one for myself, so if you need a place just ask03:58
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(bob2/#ubuntu) there're some suggestions in the wiki03:59
kandinskinot cheap enough ;)04:00
kandinskiI will just add the one I find to the wiki04:00
kandinskisomething with just a bed, shared facilities is ok04:00
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ddepianoHey folks I've installed php, mysql, and apache as well as mod-php and php-mysql, but when I access a page I get a mysql_connect() function undefined error.  Is there something else I need to install?04:03
queuetueubuntu still uses xfree86?  Is there a repository I can use to switch that to xorg?04:03
mercurusddepiano, php-pear ?04:03
sfrankwin 304:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) queuetue: hoary uses x.org, warty xfree8604:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) ddepiano: you're using apache1?04:04
ddepianobob2: no apache204:04
queuetuebob2, is hoary released?04:04
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: April 200504:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) ddepiano: libapache2-mod-php4 is what you need04:04
ddepianobob2: I have that installed04:04
queuetueSo, ubuntu will use the xfree86 server until April?04:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: the stable release, yes04:05
(bob2/#ubuntu) queuetue: ubuntu's stable release, yes04:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: we've already switched the development release; people are welcome to use that if they want to be beta testers04:05
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queuetueThis really is debian under the covers, isn't it? ;)04:05
(bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, 6 month release cycles and all04:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) well, hopefully our X.org packaging will be going back to Debian ...04:06
queuetueKamion, a) Is that as simple as switching apt repositories and dist-upgrading and b) how stable is the development release?04:06
danielsKamion: eventually, yes04:07
(bob2/#ubuntu) queuetue: a) yes04:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: b) varies04:07
xukunguys is there an easy way of instaling freenx without upgrading to hoary. If I do that I get "freenx: Depends: nxagent04:08
xukunDepends: nxproxy"04:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I mean, we try not to make it totally eat everything, but we can't guarantee anything, particularly while we're automatically syncing from Debian unstable04:08
queuetueThat's really terrible - I had great feelings for ubuntu, but if you run 6 months out of date...  I was hoping it was a current, friendlier debian.04:10
(bob2/#ubuntu) o/~ come on baby troll me harder04:10
kandinskiqueuetue, heh04:10
kandinskibo, you are missing the ikea key to assemble the quavave: 04:11
kandinskibob2, I mean04:11
jdubqueuetue: ?04:12
jdubqueuetue: are you serious?04:12
kandinskidamn, I am really thick today. Ok, guys, leaving the tablet now, see you in Matar.04:12
queuetuejdub, completely.  I'll agree it's better than the years that debian trails moden distros, but 6 months is forever in open source development...  And still on xfree86 - you're like a year behind many distros there.04:12
danielsqueuetue: are you suggesting that we release every day?04:13
jdubqueuetue: six months for a stable, supported release is better than every other distro.04:13
jdubqueuetue: we chose not to go with xorg for our first release because there was so much else to do -> we chose stability over freshness.04:13
queuetuedaniels, Not every day, just a lot more frequently.  Nm, I'm not here to complain or cause problems.  I just had different expectations.04:13
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[A] ndy80how can I configure sound under Ubuntu? I've SBLive128, it's recognized, but I can't ear any sound04:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: what were you expecting? monthly?04:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: I'm serious; I'm amazed you're expecting releases more than every six months to be quality *and* for us to get anything else done ...04:14
jdubqueuetue: it's hard enough stabilising and supporting a distro released every six months. :-)04:14
queuetueKamion, a lot of other distros maintain a stable platform and also release packages as they pass testing.04:15
danielsqueuetue: that's what hoary is for -- it's our development branch.04:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: X.org doesn't actually provide much new yet anyway; we backported most of the driver patches to XFree86.04:15
danielsqueuetue: and it's public access.04:15
queuetueLike I said, NM.  I don't want to be seen as just complainig.04:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) (for warty)04:15
xukun[A] ndy80, cat /proc/asound/cards04:15
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xukunshow me that04:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: the compositing stuff is all very new and not so well-integrated yet04:16
queuetuedaniels, I wa sjust told that hoary isn't stable enough for regular use (stability ..varies I think was said.)04:16
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) stability of system is different from stability of distribution04:16
(Kamion/#ubuntu) the first is "doesn't crash", the second is "doesn't change"04:16
danielsqueuetue: you'll note that every other distribution disclaims their development branches similarly; the only thing you can realistically support is a release, which we're doing faster than everyone else.04:17
(Kamion/#ubuntu) the bulk of problems with hoary will be on upgrade04:17
jdubhoary is fairly robust, but it is not stable. warty is robust and stable. :-)04:17
(edd/#ubuntu) and rocking.04:17
seb128speaking about stability, new nautilus bonobo-slayed ready to upload :p04:18
jdubqueuetue: hoary is 'dogfoodable'.04:18
queuetueThis conversation sounds really familiar - this really is debian, isn't it. :)  I'm going to leave because I'll soon incite everyone to riot.04:18
queuetueGood luck with ubuntu.04:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: if you're determined to see us that way, I'm sure you will, and you're welcome to it. :-)04:18
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danielsedd: dude!04:20
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tyranowhat do i need for 3ddesktop o_O04:21
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tyranofglx ?04:21
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(bob2/#ubuntu) Neill: and servers!04:21
jdubNeill: (but then, it's not desktop only)04:21
kandinskiDebian with a sane freeze process and release schedule04:22
danielstyrano: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto04:22
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kandinskiI don't know about the technical part, but the above is my impression as J. Random User04:24
Waveubuntu is pretty groovy04:24
Wavebut Ive one problem04:24
kandinskiah, and no hungups about only supporting the arches 99% of people really use04:24
kandinskipeople running linux on s/390's would not really need somethink like ubuntu anyway04:24
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(bob2/#ubuntu) the extra archjes in debian don't hold up releases very much04:25
(bob2/#ubuntu) imho04:25
kandinski(am I right? I am just guessing that is the drive)04:25
(Kamion/#ubuntu) bob2's right04:25
tyranosweet daniels, will that make DRI and hardware acceleration worktoo?04:25
kandinskibob, Kamion, but do you realise that is the impression some of us get?04:25
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Wavewhen I enter a dns server in /etc/resolv.conf it seems to disappear after a period of time04:25
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(bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: yes04:25
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: we all know people get that impression, but it really isn't what's happening04:26
davmor2can anyone help I'm a newbie to linux and have a problem shuting down my pc it comes up with the line acpi_power_off called and stops but doesn't actually power off04:26
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kandinskithen what does hold up the releases, do you think?04:26
jdubKamion: tends to keep debian off the bleeding edge here and there, though (kernel, glibc, etc)04:26
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: with respect, not really04:26
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: new glibc breaks just as badly on i38604:27
danielstyrano: should do, but it's a little difficult to get working04:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: (not specifically, just in general)04:27
danielskandinski: (noting at this point that Kamion is a member of Debian's release team)04:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: serialisation, usually; stuff that one person needs to do depends on stuff somebody else needs to do which depends on stuff somebody else needs to do, and the person at the end of the chain is working in their spare time04:28
kandinski(no offense meant, just talking out loud to refine my impressions of Debian)04:28
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kandinskiKamion: so the Ubuntu system is better because the buck stops at someone paid to do it?04:28
(Kamion/#ubuntu) then when the last person gets their job done the next one up has gone on holiday04:28
(Kamion/#ubuntu) etc.04:29
wood1Is there an option in Evolution which enables us to create different Mail Accounts just like that in Thunderbird ?04:29
jdubkandinski: the stopped bucks are better distributed :)04:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Debian has a bit of a maintainer-lock problem, which we've just totally bypassed; that helps04:29
Wavecan anyone point me in the direction of adding a dns suffix in please :)04:29
jdubwood1: in the settings, you can add any number of new mail accounts04:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) but really it's just increased coordination04:29
(bob2/#ubuntu) suffix to what?04:29
Waveresolve addresses04:30
kandinskiKamion, and what about the "Ubuntu will not scale to 10.000 packages" meme?04:30
(bob2/#ubuntu) Wave: /etc/resolv.conf04:30
(bob2/#ubuntu) "search foo.com"04:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: there's a reason the Ubuntu core developers aren't planning to attempt to support universe04:30
xukundavmor2, you need the apm module, I think its samething like" modprobe apm04:30
rifficthis war is not winnable04:30
xukunnot sure04:30
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: we'll see how it goes as new community developers come online to do that work04:30
(bob2/#ubuntu) xukun: are you sure davmor2 needs it?04:31
wood1jdub, what I meant was that I want my different Email Accounts to have it's own folders and settings04:31
(lamont/#ubuntu) Kamion: the liveCD contains ~80-100MB of WinFOSS, which could certainly go.04:31
wood1Just like Thunderbird04:31
(lamont/#ubuntu) but it's at 646MB, of the 650 permitted04:31
xukundavmor2, ist an old pc?04:31
(Kamion/#ubuntu) lamont: true, but that's a big feature to lose ...04:31
danielslamont: ah, dude!04:31
jdubwood1: for anything other than pop, yes.04:31
jdubwood1: they'll be in separate trees04:32
danielslamont: do we have any ia64 boxes set up I could get an X test build spinning 'round on?04:32
jdubwood1: but pop comes in to your local box04:32
davmor2xukun amd athlon 2000xp self built04:32
kandinskiwhat is WinFOSS?04:32
xukunbob2, no I,m not, its just that I had the same problem with my pc, and you told me to add that module04:32
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: at the same time, we couldn't possibly do what we're doing without Debian; no way could we have written the installer ourselves, for example04:32
jdubkandinski: windows free software apps04:32
jdubdebian is our ROCK04:33
xukundavmor2, then I dont think you need that module04:33
f_faviladavmor2,  have you tried "halt -p" in a shell?04:33
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krischanHello everyone.04:34
(sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: I really like the WinFOSS stuff; I think it's an important (and unique) feature than shouldn't be lost, if possible04:34
davmor2how do I remove a module and do I need to reconfigure if so how?04:34
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tyranoit didnt work :(04:35
kandinskijdub: ah, in Spain we like it with an L for"libre"": FLOSS04:35
(lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: right. but for a derivative, there is space to do stuff as well04:35
(sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: ah yes, indeed04:35
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(lamont/#ubuntu) daniels: dunno if the ia64 porting machine is there yet, but if you have source for me, I could task one of the buildd's, as long as we're still in bootstrap mode, I guess.04:36
davmor2xukun how do I remove a module and do I need to reconfigure if so how?04:36
krischanIt seems I have a serious problem with my X server. At startup I get a message that goes "There already appears to be an X server running on display :0 ...".04:37
danielslamont: will I be able to get the build tree afterwards?04:37
(sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: maybe that should even be documented (''ensuring Ubuntu keepes the 100MB of Windows stuff ensures that derivities will always have 100MB of free space'')04:37
zenwhenhi Tsjoklat04:37
zenwhenhow goes it this morning?04:38
(lamont/#ubuntu) kandinski: www.theopencd.org04:38
tyranoanyone know how i can rememedy this04:38
tyranoXlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".04:38
tyrano3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!04:38
Tsjoklatdigesting my breakfast zenwhen... then have to tackle the removal of my homedir... you?04:38
krischanI only can start up X by logging in over a console, then 'sudo rm /tmp/.X0-lock' and then 'startx'. Everytime I reboot the machine the problem appears again.04:38
(lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: I don't know that it's guaranteed to remain, but we do want to keep it.04:38
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(bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: you're using k3b?04:38
zenwheneating an egg, wondering why you are removing your homedir04:39
(lamont/#ubuntu) in fact, that's where the give came for the warty CD (was at 656MB or so, until we removed Celestia from the WinFOSS component)04:39
Tsjoklatgthumb hates me as of late04:39
Tsjoklatso does changing background04:39
Tsjoklathas to do with that blasted utf804:39
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krischanbob2: Yes, but not recently.04:39
RubenVTsjoklat: it's not blasted04:39
RubenVit's blessed04:39
RubenVif it works :)04:39
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Tsjoklatgood argumentation Ruben :)04:40
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Tsjoklatbut  yeah it is either moving redoing homedir zenwhen or reinstalling04:40
ACEais it worth going from Debian unstable/experimental to Ubuntu ?04:40
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(bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: are you running other X apps as root?04:40
Tsjoklathey mercurus_04:40
RubenVACEa: yes04:40
zenwhenI havent had a single issue with Ubuntu that I actually had to troubleshoot yet.04:40
ACEaRubenV what is better in ubuntu ? at the moment04:41
zenwhenMost things were issues I saw in a howto before I got the the point of noticing them.04:41
(sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: depending on OOo translations on the CD, I managed to scrap back 50MB-100MB before by evil fiddling. Might have a look at that in Spain again04:41
mercurus_gah, got ISDN modem replaced because it wasn't connecting ... and now I have attrocious packet loss :x04:41
Tsjoklatzenwhen my problem all started when I changed from ISO to UTF04:41
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you do know that X.org has UTF-8 problems, I hope04:41
TsjoklatI do04:41
zenwhenBad gir; >:(04:41
(Kamion/#ubuntu) as I believe has been mentioned before :)04:41
(lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: korean fonts will give you about 14MB more.. :-)04:41
RubenVACEa: it fits together04:41
Tsjoklatheaps of them04:42
davmor2can any one tell me please how do I remove a module and do I need to reconfigure if so how?04:42
(sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: another option would be only shipping the Win32 on the pressed-CDs, where 80-85 minute CD aren't a problem04:42
(Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: unlikely to be lots of them, just a couple of things that manifest in lots of places04:42
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sladen: you suggested that for install CDs, too ... I'd advance the same argument against :)04:42
Tsjoklatok correction: it has heaps of issues in lots of places04:42
(lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: these CD's are pressed CD's. and the limit was 650MB... Using bigger CD's is certainly an option..04:42
krischanbob2: Like what? I'm not completely sure, but I don't think so.04:43
zenwhenI need to get one of those little 3 inch cd's for this: http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php04:43
(bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: like anything that you ran as root with su04:43
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(sladen/#ubuntu) Kamion: I think it04:43
(sladen/#ubuntu) Kamion: I think it's a possiblity on the livecd since that's a pre-installed image---I agree it's maybe nuts for the installed CD04:44
krischanbob2: Well, I recently updated Ubuntu from Warty to Hoary over a root console, besides that I always use 'sudo'.04:44
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sladen: I think the main point is: surely you don't propose that the first testing of the actual live CD as released should be with a pressed CD? :)04:44
(Kamion/#ubuntu) rolling testing is important04:45
zenwhenWhats being discussed? The hoary liveCD?04:45
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wood1I see04:46
(sladen/#ubuntu) Kamion: most people are probably burning onto 80minute CDs anyway. The win32 part could be added at the last minute---it'd actually keep the size of the ISOs down for the testers04:46
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sladen: my debian-cd mailbox disagrees04:46
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) you're also assuming that the testers aren't interested in the win32 part04:47
=== RubenV doesn't have 80min cds
RubenVi burn on cdrw04:47
RubenVand those are 65004:47
(bob2/#ubuntu) I'm not even sure where to buy 70 minute cds anymore04:47
kandinskisorry, phone04:48
zenwhenI cant buy them anywhere.04:48
RubenValso, i'm not sure if all systems handle those big cds well04:48
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kandinskiwhat is the rationale for including winfoss in a linux cd?04:48
kandinskiI mean, can't win people find their own FLOSS?04:48
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: it's a live CD, so it's the sort of thing you take with you to demonstrate stuff04:48
danielskandinski: get people who don't want to jump over to ubuntu just yet introduced to open source products like firefox and openoffice04:48
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: so it's nice if you can drop it into a Windows machine and have the applications demonstrated04:48
kandinskiok, so you can demonstrate interoperation and that04:49
zenwhenThe thought is that getting a taste of open source software and becoming aclimated to using it will make the transition to linux easier.04:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: since applications are what real people *actually* care about04:49
krischanbob2: I just checked how many GDMs I have running by 'ps waux | grep gdm'. There apperas to be running to times '/usr/bin/gdm'. Could that be the problem?04:49
kandinskiyep, it is not for people who would use them but for advocates to demonstrate04:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) right04:49
kandinskifunny rationale, I was thinking as a USER!04:49
kandinskiheh, but I understand it as well04:49
(bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: don't know, sorry, try asking on the user list04:49
(Kamion/#ubuntu) well, I'm thinking of the majority of computer users; there are certainly exceptions04:50
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krischanbob2: I'll do that, seems to be an interesting problem. Thanks for breaking your head over it anyway! :)04:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I suspect we're still at a point where most people on this channel are not typical users :)04:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) you're welcome, sorry I've got no idea :)04:51
hbillo_hellow all04:51
danielsjdub's mum does not lurk on #ubuntu ;)04:51
(bob2/#ubuntu) haha04:51
hbillo_some one can give me a burning software that i can install on hoary ?04:52
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(bob2/#ubuntu) nautilus can burn cds04:52
zenwhentypical users? typical users dont use irc for anything but movies and mp3s.04:52
kandinskiyes, I am only halfway typical04:52
kenthbillo_, k3b?04:52
Tsjoklatoh is that what I am suppose to be doing zenwhen04:52
zenwhenyes, that and making :* faces and flirting with boys.04:53
zenwhenjk ;)04:53
xukunmy lspci shows this card: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF. Do I need to install the ati drivers or this should do?04:54
danielsxukun: the ati drivers don't support your card; the ones you already have support your card's full capabilities04:54
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xukundaniels, its just that its: 1285 frames in 5.0 seconds = 257.000 FPS04:56
xukunbit too slow04:56
danielsthe r128 is not a speedy card04:57
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danielsand glxgears is a bad benchmark04:57
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danielsdon't ever use it as a benchmark, unless you can tell the difference and watch it often04:57
danielsuse how well it goes in games you play or whatever instead04:57
danielsfar more useful04:57
xukunI see04:57
(bob2/#ubuntu) a r128 is like the trident of the 21st century04:58
xukunbob2, I wont be playing any games on this machine, so I think its ok04:59
danielsxukun: so why do you mind? :)04:59
xukundaniels, never mind now04:59
xukunafter upgrading to hoary to I need to remove the xfree staff?05:00
tyranocan i upgrade just xorg instead of entire hoary tree ;O05:01
Gwildor|GoingHomnew ubuntu based live cd out05:02
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tyranoi must make 3ddesktop work :|05:03
danielstyrano: why do you want xorg?05:03
danielsxukun: you should, yes05:03
Gwildor|worktis called beatrix05:03
tyranobecause i cannot get dri to work :|05:03
danielstyrano: if you're running ati, you won't get fglrx working on xorg05:03
danielsonly xfree8y605:03
tyranobecause my card is too new ;O05:03
tyranoso...i cant have 3ddesktop then :(05:03
tyranooh i see05:05
tyranoi must wait until ati releases a driver for x.org 6.8 :|05:06
tyranohow sad05:06
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TheHorse13can anyone tell me if ubuntu has a service manager like chkconfig in RedHat?05:08
Neillis there any easy way (like a meta-package thingy) to get from a custom install to a normal install.05:09
Neille.g install the desktop05:09
danielssudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop05:10
TheHorse13would that fux0r the synaptic method?05:11
daniels'the synaptic method'?05:11
TheHorse13ive seen the command line apt-get cause the smart update in synaptic update05:11
TheHorse13to get all silly05:11
Neilldaniels: thanks05:12
TheHorse13anyway, can anyone tell me the easiest method to enable/disable services in ubuntu? im not a debian user and im a RH migrator05:13
danielsTheHorse13: should be fine05:13
TheHorse13in YOPER it got confused and caused major conflicts05:13
TheHorse13one of the reasons im testing ubuntu now05:13
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(bob2/#ubuntu) sysv-rc-conf05:16
(bob2/#ubuntu) update-rc.d05:16
(bob2/#ubuntu) rcconf05:16
(bob2/#ubuntu) ksysc05:16
(bob2/#ubuntu) gnome service manager05:16
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dimgrdoes ubuntu become simply debian after an install? its has gnome but it will let me install fluxbox manually right... ?05:26
(bob2/#ubuntu) no, it becomes ubuntu05:27
(bob2/#ubuntu) and yes05:27
linux_mafiaspeaking of controlling services, any of you guys use file-rc ?05:28
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ploumanybody know how to use transset ? There's no man page05:38
king_arthurploum: Hi, what's transset? :-)05:38
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danielsploum: run it, click on a window you want to make transparent or opaque05:38
danielsmarvel as it becomes transparent or opaque, if you're running a compositing manager05:38
FireCatHas anyone here ever used the resolvconf package?05:39
ploumking_arthur, the new toy provided by daniels for hoary's geeks05:39
RubenVcool trick:05:39
ploumThx daniels , I wasn't running xcompmgr05:39
RubenVtransset -c05:39
(bob2/#ubuntu) xcompmgr is not built on ppc yet05:39
(bob2/#ubuntu) shock/horror05:39
RubenVor is it xcompmgr -c05:39
king_arthurploum: what does it do?05:39
(Kamion/#ubuntu) bob2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xcompmgr/1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2/xcompmgr_1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2_20041124-1406-powerpc-successful05:40
danielsbob2: wfm on i38605:40
Gwildor|workbob2, how do you manage to be so active in 2 rooms?05:40
(Kamion/#ubuntu) it seems to be built05:40
(bob2/#ubuntu) hrm, guess I should apt-get update before sniping05:40
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ploumking_arthur, it makes your windows transparent05:41
ploumdaniels, thx, it works :-)05:41
danielsploum: no worries05:41
ploumBut there's a bug (maybe) with xcompmgr05:41
king_arthurI see, same as on the mac OSX...05:41
ploumWhen you use xcompmgr, windows can overlap the gnome-panel05:41
ploum(even if you stop xcompmgr)05:42
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danielsploum: yah, known bug05:43
ploumok, thank you05:43
ploumis it a way to specify to all nautilus et xterm must always be transparent ?05:47
[A] ndy80hi, I've a problem with my soundcard. I've a soundblaster live! How can I configure it under ubuntu?05:48
(bob2/#ubuntu) it should be already configured05:48
(bob2/#ubuntu) why do you think it isn't?05:48
[A] ndy80because I cannot ear any sound05:49
suchitI am having problems doing an aptitude install qmail - 0 packages found...i have already updated aptitude and received most packages05:49
[A] ndy80I play an mp3 or a .ogg with xmms05:49
[A] ndy80and I ear nothing05:49
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(bob2/#ubuntu) suchit: qmail isn't in ubuntu05:49
(bob2/#ubuntu) or debian05:49
ploum[A] ndy80, do you have any error ?05:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) or any other distro, really05:50
suchitsame error with sendmail05:50
[A] ndy80ploum: no errors05:50
ploumIt's funny to play with transparency AND expocity05:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) sendmail isn't in main05:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) ubuntu's default MTA is postfix05:50
kenthow do i make it so that i can su to root in a normal way? which file is it i should edit?05:50
[A] ndy80it seems that xmms is playing it (I see the waves on display)05:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) suchit: ye gods, pick the two worst MTAs out there, why don't you? :)05:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) which you already have installed05:50
ploum[A] ndy80, are you sur the sound is not mutted ?05:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) kent: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo05:50
jpvcxploum: i agree05:50
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suchitWell i have to install an MTA as a relay host please suggest05:51
(bob2/#ubuntu) suchit: you have postfix installed already05:51
(Kamion/#ubuntu) postfix is already installed; you could configure it05:51
suchitok thanks...let me try! :)05:51
ploumkent, no file to edit05:51
[A] ndy80ploum: it's not mute05:51
ploumjust set a password for root05:51
ploum[A] ndy80, run alsamixer in a console. Do you see any MM on top of bars ?05:52
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MagicFabI'd like to install freepops, available for Debian at http://freepops.sourceforge.net/en/download-linux.shtml05:52
kentbob2, sudo -s   whas the thing i was looking for. thanks.05:52
MagicFabhow can I determine which repository  is appropriate ?05:53
(bob2/#ubuntu) man it'd be great if people got stuff uploaded into Debian instead of making random unsupported repositories05:53
[A] ndy80ploum: now it works, I used gnomemixer.05:54
MagicFabit's making its way, as you may read on the link I just provided05:54
ploum[A] ndy80, glad that it works05:54
MagicFabNot sure why it's not there yet... that's why I am asking :D05:55
Moofgeesh, the conference is going on a bit long05:55
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(bob2/#ubuntu) 2 weeks is long??05:55
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kentIm trying to mount an iso with "mount -o loop blaha.iso /home/user/tmp/ but i get an error about "not a directory" from mount. Why? I translated the message from swedish to english..05:56
kentI know that directory exists.05:56
Moofbob2: keeping in mind that some of us have to take holiday time to go, then yes05:56
(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: only go for part of it05:56
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(bob2/#ubuntu) kent: ls -ld /home/user/tmp/05:57
Moofbob2: probably. I'll see what train fares are like05:57
[A] ndy80thanks anyway05:57
Moofare there any particular days that big things are going on?05:57
[A] ndy80:)05:57
(bob2/#ubuntu) there's a semi-schedule on the wiki05:58
(bob2/#ubuntu) hm, hasn't been finalised yet05:59
Moofah well05:59
kentbob2, drwxr-xr-x    2 madhawks madhawks  ...    I should be able to mount it to a normal directory shouldn't i?05:59
(bob2/#ubuntu) suck05:59
(bob2/#ubuntu) yes05:59
MoofI'll look next week. if I see soemthing that peaks my interest, then I'll probably take a train down05:59
(bob2/#ubuntu) are you root?05:59
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Moofok, how UTF-8able is warty?06:00
(bob2/#ubuntu) mostly06:00
(bob2/#ubuntu) but not supportably06:00
kentbob, yes. im root. i used sudo -l06:00
Moofcos I'm tryign to build a samba file server. And it serves files with spanish file names.06:01
dimgrhow is ubuntu different than other debian distros?06:01
(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: that should be fine06:01
(bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: 6 month release cycle, employs the best debian people around06:01
MoofSamba 3 supports unicode translation, but I'd like to keep it all in utf-8, as it makes life easier all round, especially if I upgrade it to hary in 6 months' time06:01
evanhi, I just installed Ubuntu using a Knoppix CD and automouting CDs causes hdc (not the CD by its volume name) to appear on the desktop06:02
Neilldimgr: It has a well defined release cycle06:02
evanOpening hdc gives me some odd stuff06:02
Moofbob2: is the a utf-8isation guide anywhere?06:02
Neillwhich will result in stable releases every 6 months06:02
Mooftryign to get the console, and gnome to support utf-8 file names06:02
(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: not that I know of06:02
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evanWhile unmounting hdc and then opening the CD via "Disks" yields what you'd expect06:02
evanAnyone know what's going on?06:03
dimgri read that it uses just sudo for root access. WIll i be able t set up a root account and my useraccount like in any other distro?06:03
evanThe relevant fstab line is /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom  auto   user,noauto,exec,ro 0 006:03
(bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: if you insist, yes06:03
(bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: but why?06:03
dimgrwhy use just sudo though06:03
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(bob2/#ubuntu) why not?06:03
(bob2/#ubuntu) wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo06:03
dimgri guess im just used to the idea of so-pass-root06:04
(bob2/#ubuntu) yeah06:04
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dimgrand in order to use my wireless i have to set up ndiswrapper right?06:04
dimgrim going to install it on my laptop06:05
(bob2/#ubuntu) yes06:05
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(bob2/#ubuntu) there's a guide for that on the website06:05
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dimgri know how to set up ndiswrapper06:05
Moofalso, is there likely to be a SWAT package upgrade in universe?06:05
(bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: you know how to set it up on ubuntu?06:05
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(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: is there a newer version in sid?06:05
dimgris it different ??06:05
(bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: read the guide06:06
Moofbob2: there's a newer version of samba in ubuntu-main06:06
(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: of swat, I mean06:06
MoofI don't know.06:07
Moofbut given that swat relies on samba, surely it should be using the ubuntu samba package?06:07
(bob2/#ubuntu) weren't you asking about swat?06:07
Moofswat is part of samba06:07
Moofit's in the same source tree06:07
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Mitariohmm, what was that unofficial well known mono repo for hoary again?06:09
(bob2/#ubuntu) tseng's06:09
Mitarioyeah that one06:09
Mitariosomeone has an apt line?06:09
Moofswat: Depends: samba (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 is to be installed06:09
micschwho can me explain, why i can a do dmin work with my default user-account?06:10
(bob2/#ubuntu) Mitario: google, "tseng sources.list"06:10
(bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: because of sudo06:10
MoofI assume the 6.2 is a security update or something06:11
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micschwhat's with the security?06:11
Moofthough I have no easy way of knowing06:11
Moofis there a ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org?06:11
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(bob2/#ubuntu) no06:11
(bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: ?06:11
micschbob2, that's  not secure06:12
Moofbob2: is this something I can file a bug on, or am I gonna be told to go away cos it's a universe package?06:12
micschby default @ bob206:12
evanAnyone know why I'm getting "/media/hdc" instead of "/media/cdrom" created when I insert a CD?06:12
(bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: yes it is06:13
(bob2/#ubuntu) evan: ask on the user list06:13
(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: it's probably waiting for a rebuild06:13
(bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: swat (universe) and samba are out of sync, will that get fixed automatically?06:13
Moofbob2: is there a way to check?06:13
micschbob2, a normal user can create acounts, do you think that's secure?06:14
(bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: yes06:14
(bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: since only the first user has sudo access by default06:14
(bob2/#ubuntu) and the first user had physical access to the machine06:14
(bob2/#ubuntu) so they own it anyway06:14
micschi see06:14
(bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: asking lamont like I just diud :)06:14
(bob2/#ubuntu) if you don't want that user to have sudo access, disable it06:14
micschi did this.06:15
Moofbob2: ok ;)06:16
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kandinskiMoof, hey06:23
kandinskiyou not coming for Matar?06:24
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hacimis there an ubuntu ppc port?06:25
(bob2/#ubuntu) yes06:26
Moofkandinski: I'll try for some of the second week06:26
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Moofit turns out i'm int he UK the first week06:26
noneus /j #gentoo.de06:26
Moofbut I might see if I can squeeze a couple fo days off twork and turn up thursday06:26
Moofof the second week06:27
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Trancan_erUbuntu  don't even have plans to support KDE?06:34
genI hate KDE06:34
RuffianSoldieri love it06:34
RuffianSoldierand gnome06:34
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RuffianSoldierthe same06:34
RuffianSoldierYou can Apt-get kde Trancan_er06:34
(bob2/#ubuntu) Trancan_er: there are no plans to support openbox, either06:35
genyeah, it's not like you can't use it, they just may not help you if you have problems with it :)06:35
(bob2/#ubuntu) bastards06:35
kandinskiMoof, I am going on the 7th and 8th, I think06:35
kandinskiI still have to confirm06:35
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kandinskiMoof: I would love to meet you there. Bring some moose jerky.06:36
genmoose jerky :D06:36
Trancan_erbob2 I don't even know what Openbox is06:36
Trancan_erWhat is openbox?06:36
Trancan_erI know ubunto has no plans to support kDE06:36
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Moofkandinski: moose jerky?06:36
(bob2/#ubuntu) it's yet another random window manager06:36
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Trancan_erbob okay06:37
Moofkandinski: do you have the right Moof? Englsihman workign in Spain?06:37
RuffianSoldierOpenbox is the original Fluxbox basically06:37
kandinskimooof: dried meat of the arctic moose for human consumption06:37
genit's also nice and minimal, compared to bloat gnome and kde06:37
kandinskino I don't06:37
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Moofkandinski: ah.06:37
kandinskiI thought I had a Spaniard working in Finland06:37
sridamazing! 284 people!06:37
genhow is that amazing?06:37
kandinskisorry, I thought you were my friend data, who often uses moof as a nick06:37
Moofkandinski: hi, I'm the *other* Moof who's english and workign in Spain.06:37
Agrajaghell, #gentoo has 88506:38
sridgen: it's fairly a new distro06:38
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) moof is the sound a dogcow makes, right?06:38
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MoofTreenaks: aye06:38
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saltairdebian 80606:38
gensrid, not just any distro06:38
MoofTreenaks: though I'm ashamed to say I dont' currently own any apple hardware06:38
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(Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow :)06:38
deFryskmp3roaster rocks06:39
deFryskno need for k3b06:39
eruinyou need rhythmbox 0.9 and coaster06:39
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kandinskiMoof, will love to see you there anyway06:44
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philipp_hi everybosy i just installed ubuntu linux and totem-xine too watch some dvd's the problem is that I have no sound, the strange thing is that xine plays the dvd with sound all right, can anyone help me?06:46
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) one outputs via esd, the other one doesn't?06:46
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davmor2hi can anyone tell this complete linux beginner how to delete the acpi packages and reconfigure my system so it doesn't use them please06:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) you don't want to delete them06:50
(bob2/#ubuntu) what are you trying to do?06:50
philipp_Treenaks: but do you know how to change it06:51
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) philipp_: in the preferences window?06:52
davmor2bob2 when I try to shut down it gets to the line acpi_power_off called and just stops but my pc doesn't power down06:52
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(bob2/#ubuntu) ok then06:52
(bob2/#ubuntu) how would removing the acpi packages help that?06:52
philipp_Treenaks: there is know option in the preference window of totem06:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) it sounds more like an acpi table (bios) bug to me06:53
(Treenaks/#ubuntu) philipp_: I don't know then, sorry06:53
danielsdavmor2: acpi still isn't actually necessarily causing a problem here06:53
davmor2bob2 I don't know I'm a newbie just want my system to shutdown when i want it to06:54
(bob2/#ubuntu) davmor2: ok, so say that :)06:54
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philipp_Treenaks: as far as I know totem-xine uses the xine engine with the xine configuration files06:54
philipp_is this right06:55
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davmor2daniels what could be the problem then I have use fedora core 2 had no problem then downgraded to fedora core 3 which had the same problem and have now upgraded to ubuntu which also has the same problem06:56
Pugiocan anybody recommend a good password manager? somethign with password aging06:56
karakthHmm I need to pass off "computers" as a valid hobby akin to stamp collecting for this Award Scheme thing I'm doing. I also need proof that I'm doing this hobby. Any idea what arguments I can bring up to show that computers are a valid hobby?06:57
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Pugioyou're using linux06:57
Pugioend of story06:57
(Kamion/#ubuntu) karakth: I wouldn't call it "computers"; "programming" would be better06:58
(Kamion/#ubuntu) (assuming that's true)06:58
(Kamion/#ubuntu) computers themselves aren't a hobby any more than watching TV is a hobby; you'd need more specifics06:58
karakthI haven't had time to program since summer.06:59
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FTTPcause im using linux06:59
Pugiogood luck with that06:59
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socommFTTP: get in line.06:59
FTTPi aint sco!06:59
clockorangeanyone heard of 'Wired'06:59
Pugiodoes anybody know of any good/decent password utility?06:59
FTTPsocomm:  lol06:59
karakthWhat I do mostly is tweak for more speed...06:59
(bob2/#ubuntu) clockorange: the silly magazine?07:00
FTTPsocomm:  new build of ubuntu out today?07:00
karakthBut I can't prove that can I?07:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) not really, you'd need to produce something you'd done07:00
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: every day07:00
socommFTTP: looks that way.07:00
philipp_I have no sound in totem-xine if i start it from the menu but there is sound if i start it from the console can anybody help?07:00
FTTPsocomm:  Which is newer, .1?07:00
clockorangebob2, No no ;) - look: http://bloodshed.net/wired/07:00
FTTPthe .1 one is listed before the last one tho07:01
FTTPi would assume the 1124.1 is newer07:01
FTTP1124 is listed AFTER07:01
socommkarakth: do you see computers as a hobby?07:01
FTTPso? which one is newer? :)07:01
(bob2/#ubuntu) .107:01
socommFTTP: I'm guessing .1 :^/07:01
socommFTTP: Check the time stamps.07:02
(bob2/#ubuntu) apache's sort order is wrong in that case07:02
FTTPsocomm:  Ok will do07:02
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FTTPNov 24 13:00:13 UTC 2004 = 1124.107:03
socommkarakth: try narrowing down to something especific like collecting pr0n, reading through wikipedia, blogging, chatting, etc ...07:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yes, .1 is newer07:03
FTTPWed Nov 24 08:50:39 UTC 2004 = 112407:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I built it by hand07:03
FTTPoh you built it ?07:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yes07:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) wanted to pull in the new debian-installer07:03
FTTPkamion:  I tried the older one, wouldnt run xserver and killed my windows mbr07:03
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: watch out though, I just found a serious bug in hardware detection07:04
FTTPkamion:  I got my windows back up07:04
(Kamion/#ubuntu) introduced by me, unfortunately07:04
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karakthsocomm: Hmm07:04
FTTPkamion:  is there a way to load the release without using a bootloader?07:04
FTTPi have 2 hds07:04
FTTPthe only problem is the bootloader07:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you have to use a bootloader of some kind07:05
davmor2can someone please let me know how to sort my not shutting down computer problem please07:05
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FTTPkamion:  the new debian installer is nice07:05
FTTPfixes alot of bugs tho07:05
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yeah07:05
FTTPi saw the debian sarge one that just came out07:05
FTTPat least ubuntu will be based on the new one :)07:06
FTTPthats a good thing07:06
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: indeed, we're still merging regularly07:06
kensaiFTTP, and it finally includes 2.6 kernel ;)07:06
FTTPkamion:  do i have to have the installer install the bootloader or can i use my own?07:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) kensai: has done for *ages* in sarge07:07
FTTPi want to test all the development releases, without messing up my bootloader :)07:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: in expert mode you can tell it not to install a bootloader07:07
FTTPkamion but i still have to get into it07:07
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FTTPand i boot right into windows07:07
FTTPso i can use my own which will work with linux right?07:07
(Kamion/#ubuntu) up to you07:07
genpeople still use windows?07:07
FTTPkamion:  I had bad problems with grub lately07:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you won't get the benefit of the automatic bootloader configuration07:08
FTTPand windows xp07:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) if there's a problem with what our installer sets up by default, we would prefer to know about it so we can attempt to fix it07:08
FTTPdevelopment and non development releses07:08
FTTPkamion i reported the grub bug07:08
FTTPnoone ever replied tho yet on that one07:08
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I just always let it install the bootloader; it always detects all my other operating systems so it doesn't matter07:08
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: bug number?07:09
FTTPkamion:  Good question, hold on07:09
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: since you don't have a real name in /whois I can't search myself07:09
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I don't understand how the manner in which Windows is booted could possibly affect its performance07:10
FTTPkamion it did tho07:11
FTTPcould be a microsoft thing07:11
FTTPintentional who knows07:11
(Kamion/#ubuntu) perhaps something to do with drive ordering07:11
FTTPkamion:  Its not just slowness, it also with some linux distro kills the file07:11
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: compare bug #152707:11
FTTPso windows tries to load and cant07:11
FTTPthis happened multiple times07:12
FTTPtheres definitely an issue07:12
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: "it also with some linux distro kills the file" => the grammar there is bad enough that I can't understand it I'm afraid07:12
eruinlooks like xorg have had trouble with their cvs07:12
(Kamion/#ubuntu) or unclear enough, or something :)07:12
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: those are likely to be unrelated problems FYI07:13
FTTPkamion:  In other words ill load up and it will be missing the file07:13
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: what file?07:13
FTTPkamion:  some file in /system32/07:13
FTTPin windows07:13
FTTPits prolly a windows bug07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) uh, that means the filesystem is corrupted, it's definitely nothing to do with the bootloader07:14
FTTPmicrosoft wont fix it, they dont want to work with linux07:14
genyeah i was about to say that07:14
FTTPfile system is fine07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) or some other problem07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I'm absolutely certain that this is not the bootloader07:14
FTTPkamion:  It only happens when i install linux07:14
FTTPkamion:  Its prolly a microsoft intentional ploy so i wouldnt use linux07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) yes, but installing Linux does all sorts of things07:14
(Kamion/#ubuntu) no, most people don't have this problem07:14
FTTPkamion:  I have a dell 8300 system07:15
FTTPthere is no problems with filesystem07:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) that doesn't mean an awful lot to me I'm afraid07:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) filesystems are totally independent of who you bought the machine from07:15
genit's a dell, what more is there to say07:15
kentYou could let windows keep the MBR and boot from a floppy.07:15
FTTPkamion:  My file system is fine, it only gets corrupted when i install linux07:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) grub-install '(hd0)' is certainly a possibility07:15
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I was suggesting that the process of looking at the Windows partition in Linux might be corrupting something07:16
FTTPkamion i dont know07:16
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: please don't be so defensive, I'm not throwing stones at your system07:16
FTTPkamion:  Im not accusing you of anything07:16
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm trying to work out where the problem might be07:16
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danielseruin: what's wrong with x.org's cvs?07:16
eruindaniels: http://freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-November/004666.html07:16
danielseruin: yes, that was then07:17
FTTPkamion:  did i accuse you of anything?07:17
(Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: daniels was up late for a good bit of last week dealing with that07:17
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: no, I didn't say you did07:17
danielseruin: and now, the CVS is up in its post-compromise state, all clean07:17
FTTPkamion:  I was just saying that my system system is fine, and if i install linux (multiple distros) thats when i have the problem07:17
FTTPhow is that being defensive?07:17
FTTPthats my issue07:17
eruindaniels: my condolances ;)07:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, and I'm trying to say that while that's an interesting data point it doesn't really help me solve the problem. :-)07:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) 18:15 < FTTP> kamion: I have a dell 8300 system07:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) 18:15 < FTTP> there is no problems with filesystem07:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) that really doesn't help for instance07:18
FTTPkamion:  Its not the file system07:18
FTTPkamion:  i ran all the tools07:18
FTTPi checked that already07:18
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: dude, filesystems can be corrupted by the process of installation, in theory; they are not immutable objects07:18
FTTPkamion i understand , HOWEVER i checked that07:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) ok, but that doesn't explain why a file is missing?07:19
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FTTPkamion:  That i dont know :)07:19
FTTPkamion:  right07:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) all I have to go on is your comment that you've tracked the problem down to a missing file07:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) "so i07:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) had to run a chkdsk /p and it found and corrected errors"07:19
FTTPok so whats the next diagnostic step?07:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) that's from your bug report!07:19
(Kamion/#ubuntu) you've *said* that the filesystem had problems07:19
FTTPkamion:  errr let me rephrase that07:20
(Kamion/#ubuntu) and you've said that correcting those with the chkdsk tool fixed the problem07:20
FTTPthe file system was not corrupted TILL i installed linux07:20
(Kamion/#ubuntu) ok, I got that, that's perfectly clear07:20
FTTPbefore i installed linux i checked my filesystems07:20
FTTPto see if that was the issue07:20
danielsthat could well just be sheer bad luck07:20
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: stop07:20
FTTPok now that its clear07:20
FTTPwhat can the problem be?07:20
FTTPand how can i diagnose it further?07:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I understand the following: your system was fine before you installed Linux; the process of installation broke the Windows filesystem; running the Windows filesystem repair tools fixed the issue07:21
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: you said that you reinstalled the Windows MBR; did you try to boot Windows from grub *before* reinstalling the MBR?07:21
FTTPkamion:  Right but only when there is no grub07:21
FTTPand i had issues07:22
(Kamion/#ubuntu) of course, booting Windows recovery console to repair might break the installed bootloader *shrug*07:22
FTTPwait now im confused07:22
(Kamion/#ubuntu) *you're* confused?07:22
FTTPi did not boot windows recovery console to repair BEFORE i installed the bootloader07:22
FTTPi repaired it AFTER it did not work07:23
FTTPafter i had problems in Linux07:23
Gwildor|workjust drop the M$ install......problem solved....hehe07:23
(Kamion/#ubuntu) I think you need to go back, reproduce the problem again, and check out much more clearly whether it's a broken filesystem or a broken bootloader; the two issues are far too mixed together right now.07:23
FTTPkamion:  How can we tell?07:23
(Kamion/#ubuntu) well, you can try booting after repairing one but not touching the other07:24
FTTPKamion:  isnt it odd tho that the windows bootloader works 100% fine from the getgo07:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) my main problem with reports about problems coexisting with Windows is that I can't reproduce any of them myself07:27
FTTPi dont know if its a microsoft glitch07:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: doesn't boot Linux though does it?07:27
FTTPcause they intentionally cause problems07:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: apply Occam's Razor07:27
FTTPi should just remove windows, and see if it happens with linux07:27
FTTPi can disconnect my windows hd right?07:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: a conspiracy is not the simplest solution, therefore you should eliminate it from consideration07:27
FTTPwithout deleting the files07:27
(Kamion/#ubuntu) sure07:28
gwakFTTP: are you putting everything on /dev/hda ?07:28
FTTPok i will try that07:28
(Kamion/#ubuntu) might have device ordering issues07:28
Gwildor|workjust during bois check, youll be able to pass by07:28
gwakFTTP: nevermind -- i see you have multiple drives07:28
FTTPkamion:  microoft unfortunately does that, like make word not compatible with wordperfect, etc.... make windows xp sp2 not compatible with linux in bootloader is a possibility im sorry to say07:28
FTTPkamion cant be ruled out07:28
FTTPit may not be that, but u cant rule it out07:29
danielsi would be exceptionally, incredibly, surprised07:29
Gwildor|workgood point, sp2 is a mystery07:29
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: we'd have far more reports if that were the case07:29
FTTPbut ill try it on the otherhd07:29
FTTPkamion true actually07:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: there is absolutely no point considering that first, in any case07:29
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FTTPkamion:  could be a bios issue?07:29
kensaiFTTP, just disconnect the windows drive and install the other and then reconnect again, also it might help that the drive where you are going to install linux is /dev/hda so it is master07:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) possible, but now you're conflating yet a third layer07:29
(Kamion/#ubuntu) after conflating filesystems and bootloaders07:30
(Kamion/#ubuntu) keep things separate, it's much easier07:30
FTTPkamion:  We need more to diagnose it07:30
FTTPkamion it could be any number of things07:30
ironwolfapt-get install gnucash doesn't add anything to the Applications-->Office menu.  Is getting that added a Bug? or a Request?07:31
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kentironwolf, I would regard it as a bug, but im not the on who judge..  :)07:32
ironwolfkent: I tend to agree it's a bug if you install something and the normal user can't see it to use it.  Who would be the judge?07:33
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FTTPkamion my own guess is a conflict with windows cause it affected files that affected the bootloader07:34
FTTPlike $winnt$07:34
FTTPwhich gives it boot parameters07:34
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FTTPstuff like that is in there07:35
FTTPso it has to do with the boot path07:35
FTTPthats one of the corrupted files07:35
gwakFTTP: can you past your boot.ini file ?07:37
xuzo_why package ubuntu-desktop depends on emacs21?07:38
FTTPgwak boot.ini from linux?07:38
FTTPi dont have linux installed now07:38
FTTPi can reinstall it tho07:38
gwakno from your windows part in c:\07:39
ironwolfubuntu-desktop includes lots of things, like an editor. :)07:39
clockorangeI have just attached my old hard disk(slave) to a new one(master). How can i access it in Ubuntu?07:39
gwakFTTP:it might be hidden07:39
xuzo_ironwolf: an editor, not an editorOS :)07:39
clockorangeI want to access the slave-drive07:39
ironwolfxuzo_: I like emacs, but linux has a better editor.. :)  yeah, yeah.. not my choice to include it.07:40
kentironwolf, the Ubuntu people is the one to judge if its a bug or not.  They can either make it so that it appear in the menu or not,07:40
xuzo_ironwolf: why I must install emacs (and his ~40 mb) when I am not going to use it?07:40
FTTPi just enabled hidden files, dont see it07:40
ironwolfclockorange: Computer-->System Configuration-->Disks07:41
ironwolfxuzo_: apt-get remove emacs21 :)07:41
FTTPgwak:  Where is it?07:41
xuzo_the dependecy should be on vim | emacs | anyeditor07:41
FTTPi set it to show hidden files, nothing shows in c07:42
gwakyea it should be there07:42
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: we don't touch that at all; our installer never edits anything on a Windows partition07:42
(Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: it does *read* that file07:42
xuzo_ironwolf: I know but its now a good idea to remove ubuntu-desktop07:42
FTTPgwak:  weird, i enabled it to show hidden files07:42
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xuzo_is not a good idea07:42
gwakFTTP: im just curious to see what windows thinks the boot drive is07:42
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: it's OK to remove it if you're diverging from our standard desktop07:43
ironwolfubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.  It does no harm to remove it.07:43
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keknehvhi all07:43
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: upgrades may be a little more work if you remove it, but we'll document that07:43
FTTPhide protected os files07:43
FTTPhad to deselect that07:43
FTTPok lets see here07:43
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop are intended to be rather strict07:43
keknehvHow do I exit gdm without turning off a computer?07:43
xuzo_Kamion: why not to provide a virtual package for the editor?07:44
FTTP[boot loader] 07:44
FTTP[operating systems] 07:44
FTTPmulti(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn07:44
FTTPthat means nothing to me07:44
FTTPanything to you?07:44
gwakFTTP: as <Kamion> said its not needed for grub -- do not save anyting07:44
keknehvhow do I close gdm?07:44
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: the point of ubuntu-desktop is to give you exactly the set of packages that make up the Ubuntu desktop07:44
FTTPgwak right but what does it mean? :)07:44
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: you're perfectly free to install other packages and if necessary to remove ubuntu-desktop07:44
gwakto me the important issue is the partition(1) entry07:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: and, of course, there *is* a virtual package called 'editor'07:45
keknehvhow can I safely close gdm without turning off my computer?07:45
gwakwhich says its on /dev/hda107:45
xuzo_Kamion: what package? I cant find it07:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: uh ... it's *virtual*07:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: most editor packages have "Provides: editor" in their control file; that's what a virtual package means07:46
gwakFTTP: thanks for looking -- i just wanted to understand you windows partitioning scheme better07:46
xuzo_Kamion: i agree that ubuntu-desktop should provide a default desktop. But making ubuntu-desktop dependant on "editor" should be a good think :)07:47
xuzo_there are a lot of vim-people out there07:48
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: that's not the point of ubuntu-desktop, and in any case ubuntu-base already depends on vim07:48
gwak<xuzo_> hell yea07:48
(Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: you are *perfectly free* to install additional editor packages07:48
FTTPgwak:   ive had issues with bootloaders since the early days of linux07:49
xuzo_ok ok. I am not flaming, only making a suggestion :)07:49
FTTPthe bootloaders need to become better07:49
FTTPtoo many issues crop up07:49
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FTTPand with multiple different systems too07:49
gwakFTTP: im googling now to see if i can find other examples07:49
FTTPgwak:  grub2 is coming soon so07:50
FTTPhopefully it improves upon grub07:50
gwakFTTP: i have installed linux /w grub (bootloader) on many dual boot machines w/ no problems07:50
FTTPgwak:  And for me its the opposite07:50
(Kamion/#ubuntu) grub2 is a rewrite from scratch as I understand it, so I expect more issues with it rather than fewer07:50
gwakFTTP: ;-[07:50
malte`i have horrible fonts using hoary's xorg :(07:50
(lamont/#ubuntu) bob2/Moof: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists has current (well within 10 minutes anyway..) status07:50
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(Kamion/#ubuntu) rewrites are generally a reduction in quality at least to start with, since they haven't had the benefit of accumulated bug-fixes07:50
FTTPgwak it could be due to hardware07:50
FTTPgwak:  I dunno07:51
(lamont/#ubuntu) bob2: if no merge is required, it just syncs. If a merge is required, then someone has to at least check on the merge-o-matic output07:51
gwakFTTP: so you are trying to install linux on a seperate physical drive?07:51
FTTPgwak yes07:51
FTTPdell uses redhat so it shouldnt be an issue with the bios07:51
gwakFTTP: have you tried to re-install after the intial failure?07:51
FTTPunless theres a new bug in the bios07:51
FTTPgwak yes07:51
FTTPsame issue07:51
aitrusdoes anyone have any idea why my ubuntu workstation randomly reboots?07:51
FTTPall the time07:51
housetierFTTP you are not meant to use linux07:52
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gwakFTTP: very strange -- let me check the grub mailing list07:52
aitruserr... actually it isn't rebooting... X is jsut restarting07:52
FTTPhousetier:  LOL07:52
housetierI wasnt meant to use *bsd07:52
FTTPhousetier:  I can get it to work if i disabled my windows and removed that drive07:52
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FTTPit seems to work fine with linux07:53
housetierIDE drives?07:53
FTTPbut not with windows07:53
ironwolfFTTP: what version of windows?07:53
FTTPi mean grub07:53
markus_Hi. I want to install Ubuntu from a USB-CD-ROM-drive. Booting works, but as soon as D-I wants to load something from the CD (just after setting the language-stuff), I don't know how to tell Ubuntu about the CD-ROM-device. Any idea?07:53
FTTPxp pro sp207:53
FTTPits multiple distros07:53
gwakFTTP: <housetier> asked a good question E-IDE S-IDE SCSI?07:53
FTTPnot just ubuntu07:53
FTTPdma 10007:53
FTTPseagate + hitachi drives07:54
housetiermore enter07:54
housetierless text07:54
housetierper line07:54
gwakFTTP: you have a completly normal config07:54
ironwolffttp: and Grub isn't working?  What's it do? *curiousity peaked*07:54
housetierso it gets07:54
housetierlost easier07:54
FTTPgrak:  yep07:54
eruinhttp://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/ <- funny reads ;P07:54
keknehvcan I, without damage, kill gdm if the user is logged out?07:55
FTTPgwak:  commercial bootloaders will prolly work fine07:55
FTTPi guess i may have to go commercial07:55
FTTPfor the bootloader07:56
FTTPill try that if i can get a demo07:56
gwakFTTP: maybe --- but w/ OS / linux stuff its the cycle to check the news groups07:56
gwakFTTP: its the trade-off for free SW ;-] 07:56
clockorangeironwolf, Sorry, there are no -->disks07:56
eruinFTTP: your bios is ether fscked up or malconfigured07:56
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FTTPeruin there are no config settings07:57
housetierFTTP which bootloaders have you tried so far?07:57
FTTPits a dell07:57
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FTTPthere is no settings07:57
eruinoh, then you're fscked07:57
FTTPfor hd lba and stuff, none07:57
eruindon't buy dell! :o07:57
gwakFTTP: can u give more specific details about model # ect..07:57
FTTPdell works with redhat07:57
skeffMy Xorg server seems it has some problem with usage information, for instance the screen blanks out suddenly WHILE I'm moving my mouse or keyboard.. this happens regularly.07:58
FTTPthey are a linux friendly vendor07:58
eruinFTTP: as in core3?07:58
FTTPgwak:  No.... i dont mean i tried it07:58
housetierFTTP which bootloaders have you tried so far?07:58
FTTPi mean dell sells redhat for its systems07:58
zorasterHi all, newbie here. may I ask a newb question?07:58
FTTPdell is supposed to be a linux friendly vendor07:58
gwakFTTP: so does IBM but problems still arise07:58
FTTPi guess07:58
FTTP[boot loader] 07:58
FTTP[operating systems] 07:58
FTTPmulti(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn07:58
ironwolfclockorange: sudo disks-admin  Does that work?07:58
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housetierzoraster please ask right away07:59
skeffoh and also, in Gaim, in the Away options, in "Idle time reporting" I can choose only 'Gaim usage' or 'none', I remember it should be X usage also there..07:59
zorasterwhats the best way to upgrade to latest firefox?07:59
(bob2/#ubuntu) don't bother07:59
(bob2/#ubuntu) or download it from mozilla.org07:59
clockorangeironwolf, command not found07:59
ironwolfzoraster: apt-get update && apt-get install firefox.07:59
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zorasterok, thaks,08:00
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FTTPmy own guess is it could also be an xp2 issue08:00
FTTPmaybe due to Data Execution Prevention ?08:00
ironwolfclockorange: /usr/bin/disks-admin  .. is it there?08:00
FTTPi should remove sp208:00
FTTPto see08:00
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housetiercan someone ask FTTP what bootloaders he/she/it has tried so far, I am on ignore by mistake08:00
gwakFTTP: my best advice is to google for [ grub  dell {MODEL NUMBER} dual boot } and see what comes up08:01
(sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: <housetier > can someone ask FTTP what bootloaders he/she/it has tried so far, I am on ignore by mistake08:01
ironwolfFTTP: so you don't have linux installed?  How do you update-grub if you don't have something installed?08:01
gwakFTTP: sorry cant help more -- gots to go to a movie ;-] 08:01
wood1Hello to everybody08:01
wood1I need some help08:02
FTTP housetier why would i put you on ignore?08:02
clockorangeironwolf, Theres nothing called 'Disks-admin'08:02
FTTPhousetier:  And why would you think that?  <grin>08:02
FTTPhousetier:  I only tried grub08:02
ironwolfclockorange: *no capitals*08:02
FTTPill try lilo08:02
wood1I just bought a New CD-RW drive but Ubuntu can't detect it !!!08:02
housetieroh boy!08:02
skeffwhat does "residual config" mean?08:02
ironwolfFTTP: good luck.08:03
(bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: chill08:03
clockorangeironwolf, ??..no, i do not use 'capitals'08:04
wood1Can anyone give me some guidance to mount or detect a newly installed CD-RW drive ?08:04
ironwolfclockorange: standard ubuntu install?.. might try cfdisk to see if you can see the partitions.08:05
wood1bob2, how are you?08:05
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wood1chill ???08:05
clockorangeIts weird! The drive is visible in 'Device Manager' as /dev/hdb, but i cant get access08:05
FTTPIf you are attempting to add a new hard disk drive to the computer make sure that drive is a blank drive. Adding a new hard disk drive to a computer that already has Windows installed on it may cause the NTLDR error to occur.08:05
FTTPoh wait08:05
FTTPi installed windows to a new drive08:05
clockorangeironwolf, ok08:05
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kandinskiah, FTTP08:07
kandinskihow can that be fixed?08:07
kandinskithat is the problem I have08:07
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kandinskiI want to install debian dual boot on my tabletpc that only boots off pxe08:07
kandinskibut I can't even read or write to the bloody hard disk08:08
FTTPi havent a clue08:08
kandinskiah, at least I know it is not the disk08:08
kandinskiwhat if I:08:08
kandinskidd the disk to another disk08:08
kandinskiwipe the disk08:08
kandinskiinstall debian08:08
kandinskidd the windows disk partition back. Do you think it will work then (sorry for the offtopic, I have fuxxored it twice trying to install it, and both times I have had to return it for re-imaging with windows)08:09
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kandinskinever mind, but if anyone knows how to help please /query me or come to #barrapunto08:10
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eruintime to fire up cedega and play some battlefield vietnam :)08:12
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(dieman/#ubuntu) *yawn*08:12
wood1How do I install a new CD-RW drive in Ubuntu ?08:16
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hypa7iahey yo2lux08:24
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yo2luxi hear ubuntu is good for desktop, anyone tell me which is the latest release ?08:25
genwarty is latest stable yo2lux08:25
jordiyo2lux: the Only release is 4.1008:25
__daniel4.10 warty warthog08:25
wood1I need to get Ubuntu to detect a newly installed CD-RW drive08:25
yo2luxyes but why 4.10 and not 1.0  when this is the first release?08:26
genthe date yo2lux08:26
wood1Can somebody help me ?08:26
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gen4.10 meaning the date it came out yo2lux08:27
hypa7iawood1: is it an ATA drive?08:27
yo2luxok thanks !08:28
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yo2luxexist a net install for ubuntu ?08:28
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wood1It's a ATAPI Drive08:29
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wood1Is there any command to re-detect the hardware installed in Ubuntu ?08:30
hypa7iawood1: the drivers for those are extremely generic... i'm not even sure if you'd need to modprobe it... might need to add something to /etc/fstab08:30
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RuffianSoldierbob2, have you heard of BeatrIX?  Its a liveCD with an HD install and it uses Ubuntu repositories!  The project admin said I could start the channel, so come by #beatrix.  Im the op08:31
wood1Well, I had a normal CD-ROM which was working fine08:31
wood1I just replaced the CD Rom drive with a CD-RW drive today08:31
wood1Now Ubuntu does not detect it08:32
hypa7iawood1: can you copy your /etc/fstab to pastebin?08:32
hypa7iaalso, what happens when you put in a blank cd?08:32
wood1nothing happens08:32
RuffianSoldierhave you guys heard of BeatrIX?  Its a liveCD with an HD install and it uses Ubuntu repositories!  The project admin said I could start the channel, so come by #beatrix.  Im the op08:32
housetierdmesg might be mildly interesting too in this case08:33
housetierto see if it was detected at all08:33
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wood1dmesg detected my CD-RW drive. I got the CD-RW drive at /dev/hdc08:34
wood1thanks housetier08:34
housetierheh np :)08:35
wood1OK, how to I add the CD-RW drive to /etc/fstab ?08:35
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housetierlisten to hypa7ia so we can have a look at it08:36
hypa7iawood1: http://pastebin.com08:36
wood1# /etc/fstab: static file system information.08:37
wood1# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>08:37
wood1proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       008:37
wood1/dev/hda4       /               reiserfs defaults        0       108:37
wood1/dev/hda3       /boot           reiserfs defaults        0       208:37
wood1/dev/hda10      none            swap    sw              0       008:37
wood1/dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       008:37
wood1/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       008:37
wood1#/dev/hda5      /media/windrive_d vfat rw,umask=0,user,codepage=850,exec 0 008:37
genwood you should do that in flood08:37
RuffianSoldier /ban wood1 SPammer!08:37
wood1I am sorry08:37
hypa7iawood1: or in pastebin, which i linked you to :-(08:37
RuffianSoldierim no op08:37
wood1Well how do I use pastebin08:37
genyou can't be serious08:37
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hypa7iayou go to it, paste your stuff, and give us a link08:38
housetierwood1 open that url in your favorite webbrowser08:38
wood1Which url ?08:38
hypa7iawood1: http://pastebin.com08:38
hypa7ialooks like wood1 just needs to change the cdrw's mount line,it's read-only08:41
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hypa7ianot sure what to make it tho :-/08:41
housetierI'd change /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc on line 00908:42
wood1Well changing /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc should do the trick ?08:43
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housetierit might be worth a try08:43
hypa7iato make it writable you need to change ro to rw08:43
wood1Well I will do it right now08:44
hypa7iathat should do it08:44
wood1Do I have to restart the machine08:44
housetierwith complex structures such as pc hardware and software there are no definite answers, only ever-changing propabilities08:44
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hypa7iathere's a command to remount without rebooting... but i can never remember it08:44
housetierrw does not make sense08:44
(sladen/#ubuntu) hypa7ia: mount -o remount ....08:45
(Kamion/#ubuntu) mount -o remount,rw <filesystem>08:45
housetier/dev/hdc is not a file system though, only a device. iirc cdrecord and friends use the device to burn a cd08:45
hypa7iahousetier: it's a cdRW....08:46
hypa7iaoh, my bad08:46
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wood1Well should I replace /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc and also add rw08:48
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hypa7iajust the first thing wood108:49
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(sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: you can check the device manager for the right device name..08:49
wood1Should I do it now or is there something else too ?08:49
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: btw is the cdrw the only device on that ide cable08:49
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wood1Yes the CDRW is the only device on the IDE Cable08:50
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: if it's hdd, it's setup as slave.. if it's the only device on that cable you probably should put it as master08:51
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: there should be a jumper on the back of the thing for that08:51
hypa7iasjoerd: it was showing up as hdc for wood1 in dmesg08:52
IamMoowhen i try to install ubuntu from cd, it locks up at a blue screen after it does "cd hardware analysis"...anyone know why?08:52
wood1Yes it is the Master and it is shown as /dev/hdc while using the dmesg command08:52
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(sjoerd/#ubuntu) sorry, didn't read correctly :)08:52
genahh i accidentally removed the wastebasket from bottom right corner, how do i get it back haha08:53
hypa7iaIamMoo: what kind of hardware are you doing this on?08:53
wood1So should I just replace /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc ?08:53
(sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: yeah08:53
IamMoogateway, p2, 300mhz08:53
IamMooold computer08:53
wood1Ok thanks to all08:53
hypa7iaIamMoo: try noacpi as a boot option08:53
IamMoowhats that mean08:54
IamMooi'm very new at this08:54
hypa7iaIamMoo: doesn't try and use acpi.... it's a new hardware thingy that sometimes moofs installs08:54
wood1Where would I be without all of you ? Thank god that there is this Chat Room for Ubuntu08:54
IamMooand how would i go about doing this hypa7ia08:54
hypa7iaIamMoo: when you boot you can enter options08:55
wood1I will see you all a few minutes later after a Reboot08:55
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hypa7iagood luck wood1!08:55
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genhow do i get wastebasket back to bottom right corner eh, accidentally removed it08:55
IamMooso do i just type noacpi?08:55
hypa7iai think so, IamMoo... if you hit F2 or F3 you can read about the boot options08:56
hypa7iawhen you're booting that is08:56
hypa7iagen: does right-clicking on the area get you "add to panel"08:56
genno, because there is no space to the right of the workspace switcher anymore08:56
geni would know how if there was, because i have the trash temporarily at the top because i added it08:57
genbut not knowing how to get it back to the bottom right08:57
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IamMoohypa7ia: trying the noacpi deal...08:57
geni guess i could "unlock" and move it08:57
geneh hold08:57
hypa7iagen: try clicking at the very edge maybe?08:57
genyea i unlocked the workspace switcher08:58
IamMoohypa7ia: sitll no luck, locked up after hardware thing again08:58
genmoved it over to the left a tad and that worked08:58
genfigured out, nevermind :)08:59
hypa7iaeek, gotta run, try some different options IamMoo :-)08:59
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IamMoook who else wants to help meeee ={08:59
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IamMooannnnyone else know why unbuntu install just stops working after the hardware inspection?09:00
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wood1hey I did not have to reboot after replacing /dev/hdd with /dev/hdc09:01
Gwildor|workwood1, all good now?09:02
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wood1Wow, that's a cool, cool feature of Ubuntu09:02
wood1Yes thanks09:02
Gwildor|workgood good09:03
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wood1I was dying to see the movie "Troy"09:03
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Gwildor|worknow start burning ubuntu cd's, and hand them all over the place09:03
Gwildor|workhavent seen troy yet09:03
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wood1Wow, it is a super fantastic movie09:04
wood1Sure I will try to get everybody at my office to use Ubuntu Linux09:05
housetierI have been handing out ubuntu CDs left and right09:05
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wood1By the way, 3 of my colleagues have started using Ubuntu09:05
Gwildor|workI havent got my cd's yet :(09:05
Rob|Newbieme neither09:06
Gwildor|workmine shipped on the 11th09:06
wood1I downloaded the ISO Image and distributed it09:06
wood1By the way, I am not trying to get personal but where are you all from?09:07
wood1I am from Nepal09:07
wood1that's great09:07
Gwildor|workwell, I don't have many friends that can even get by on there XP install, so linux is outta the question09:07
Gwildor|workim from USA09:07
Rob|Newbiegwildor, you running hoary?09:08
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wood1I am running hoary at my Office PC too09:08
Gwildor|workoh....XP at work.....hoary at home09:08
Rob|Newbiecutting edge distros are ok to run on slow cpus? for ex. mines celeron 634mhz 256mb sdram ?09:08
Gwildor|workRob|Newbie, ubuntu WILL run.....if its a bit tankish, get xfce4 or fluxbox09:09
Gwildor|workwood1, wish I could use *nix here, work that is09:09
Gwildor|worknp :)09:10
Rob|NewbieI just finish installing it here on my linux box,09:10
Rob|Newbieso I just wanted some help setting it up to hoary :)09:10
wood1Why don't you just install Ubuntu at your office's PC?09:10
Gwildor|workwould just be way too difficult09:10
wood1Why is that so ?09:11
Gwildor|workI use a few proprietary app09:11
wood1OK, I get the point09:11
Gwildor|workand I don't have the time to config our network, plus we are always sharing files ansd such09:12
wood1Don't you have other PCs09:12
wood1to install Ubuntu09:12
genwood1, chill09:12
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will_Rob|Newbie: im running on a celeron 500 256ram09:13
mrothanyone have a link to a prepackged j2sdk-1.5.0 deb?  i'm on a coworkers machine here and dont have time to rebuild my own09:13
Rob|Newbiecool will, what look are you using gnome?09:14
wood1By the way, which software in Ubuntu should I use to burn CDs ?09:14
linux_mafiamroth, ive got one i made, just trying to think where i can put it so you can dl it09:14
will_Rob|Newbie:yeah, on hoary09:15
will_Rob|Newbie:its pretty quick!09:15
wood1apt-get chill or oxi will install it ?09:15
Rob|Newbieanyone can help me changin my sources to hoary so i can upgrade?09:15
wood1Well replace "warty" to "hoary" from /etc/apt/sources.list09:16
Gwildor|workwood1, isntall what?09:18
Gwildor|workwood1, use nautalis to burn cd's, unless you want to make music cd's then you need K3b09:18
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Rob|Newbiewood1. and thats all?09:20
Arrrrdoes ATI Radeon work with Linux ??09:20
Rob|NewbieI thought you had to change warty to hoary, and add multiverse or something but im lost09:20
genit will work, just don't expect much 3d arrr09:20
Gwildor|workRob|Newbie, then ap-get update       apt-get upgrade09:20
genati's drivers are crap09:20
Gwildor|workRob|Newbie, multiverse and universe are EXTRA09:20
ChibiFSCrap >.<;09:21
Arrrrif i have ATI radeon card, that means it wont work well with linux?09:21
Gwildor|workArrrr, I get like 4k+ fps with glxgears on my radeon, with mesa09:21
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gengwildor, im sure that doesnt mean anything to him09:21