[12:01] <Matt|> Mark1, most use gnome i think
[12:01] <hjkl> NewComer: check out zidrav.
[12:01] <hjkl> s0cks:you should start some type of anti the wrong use of the word "hack" society, start with writing to all major news networks
[12:02] <Matt|> such a societ probably already exists
[12:02] <s0cks> lol. It's just stupid really.
[12:02] <IchaBOB> anyone see anything wrong with my fstab?
[12:02] <NewComer> hjkl, excuse me
[12:03] <Mark1> s0cks: i've written you before, and you tend to know wayyyy too much about linux
[12:03] <Mark1> s0cks: i was wondering if i should install a firewall for ubuntu
[12:03] <Mark1> s0cks: because i recall reading that you apparently dont need to install one at all
[12:03] <Matt|> Mark1, test yourself out on a website
[12:04] <Mark1> Matt|: already did, and it looked ok
[12:04] <Mark1> i.e. no one could see my computer
[12:04] <Matt|> https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2
[12:04] <Matt|> Mark1, then you're fine :)
[12:04] <diesel> does ubuntu not have the ifconfig command
[12:04] <JLS> hey
[12:04] <Matt|> diesel, yup
[12:04] <JLS> im looking for some Gnoppix support
[12:05] <Matt|> JLS, not really the right place :))
[12:05] <diesel> Matt|, yup it has it or no it does not have it
[12:05] <JLS> I burnt the ISO to cd, put it in my drive, it starts to load, then the screen just goes black and stays black
[12:05] <Matt|> diesel, it does
[12:05] <JLS> any ideas?
[12:05] <diesel> Matt|, whereis ifconfig returns command not found
[12:05] <Matt|> diesel, weird. Have you tried /sbin/ifconfig?
[12:06] <Mark1> Matt|: i clicked on the link and of course there is a "computer name" but that's about it.  should i be worried
[12:06] <Matt|> Mark1, nope
[12:06] <JLS> can anyone help me?
[12:06] <Matt|> JLS, you could try burning the cd slower maybe. Not sure
[12:07] <Mark1> matt: thanks, just double checking..
[12:07] <JLS> the cd's fine
[12:07] <Mark1> Matt: do you use GNOME or KDE?
[12:07] <RuffianSoldier> sillly
[12:07] <Matt|> JLS, i've heard some issues with the cd when burned faster than 4x
[12:07] <Matt|> Mark1, gnome
[12:07] <Gmail> natulias is b0rken
[12:07] <Mark1> matt: thanks, i was considering moving to kde
[12:08] <JLS> im using TDK 48x expensive CD-R cds
[12:08] <diesel> Matt|, no such file or directory
[12:08] <Matt|> JLS, it's not the cds, i think it is a bug with the iso
[12:08] <Matt|> diesel, what have you done to your system?
[12:09] <ubuntu-geek> so the link to the forums is spam? :)
[12:10] <Matt|> i thought the topic is op only
[12:11] <ubuntu-geek> yeah me to.. .. shrug.. i guess the forums are considered spam to him..
[12:11] <Matt|> weird
[12:11] <Matt|> Gmail, you don't like the forums?
[12:12] <JLS> ive got it working
[12:12] <JLS> I did an advanced boot
[12:12] <Johansson> hi
[12:12] <Matt|> JLS, cool what was wrong
[12:12] <Matt|> hi joh
[12:12] <Matt|> hi Johansson
[12:12] <SeFoKumA> ekete
[12:13] <JLS> no idea
[12:13] <JLS> I just went to the boot menu
[12:13] <Matt|> i didn't know gnoppix was based on ubuntu
[12:13] <JLS> during the splash screen
[12:13] <JLS> and selected advanced boot
[12:13] <JLS> and it worked
[12:13] <Gmail> Matt|: i am not alking about the forums i was talking about the "also #triathlon" part
[12:13] <Matt|> Gmail, ok
[12:13] <diesel> Matt|, this is not on my machine, my sisters.  How do I invoke a remote desktop session?
[12:13] <JLS> this thing looks like such a rip of osx.. couldnt they think of something original lol
[12:14] <Matt|> Gmail, isn't the topic only accessible to ops?
[12:14] <ubuntu-geek> guess not :)
[12:14] <Johansson> i wanna make a little suggestion, should i say it here, or in some forum or email address?
[12:15] <Johansson> it's about firefox in ubuntu
[12:15] <Hikaru79> You should probably post it on the Wiki
[12:15] <Hikaru79> But say it here anyway, we're curious =)
[12:15] <Pluk> :) indeed
[12:15] <Matt|> yep
[12:16] <Johansson> i'm gonna post it on the wiki
[12:16] <JLS> I can open all the programs, but none of the open office ones work
[12:16] <JLS> any ideas?
[12:16] <Johansson> it's just that would be great if firefox comes with the gnome theme
[12:16] <Johansson> http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/
[12:16] <Johansson> it blends perfectly with gnome
[12:17] <Pluk> lol: As a convenience, for the unlucky people that use or have to use Windoze, here are the GNOME-Fx themes for Windows to get you at least a bit of the GNOME look.
[12:17] <ImmeR^> I have asked once, but I cannot find a solution.. I have just installed ubuntu on my laptop, but cannot make any mouse work. Not even my touchpad. Anyone have an idea for a solution?
[12:17] <Matt|> yeah that theme is good, but it is easy to add
[12:18] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: you probably need to install the synaptics touchpad drivers
[12:18] <diesel> Anyone know how to invoke a remote desktop session?
[12:18] <ImmeR^> Where do I get those?
[12:18] <JLS> why cant I run the openoffice programs?
[12:18] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: not to be confused with Synaptics, the front-end for apt... which is where you get them i think
[12:18] <Johansson> i don't know how difficult would be to ship firefox with a different default theme
[12:18] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: i'll check, just a sec.
[12:18] <Matt|> JLS, not sure. Have you got plenty of ram?
[12:19] <Johansson> but the gnomefx theme is just perfect for a gnome-based distribution
[12:19] <Matt|> diesel, in the menu, choose, internet, and gnome-terminal-server or something
[12:19] <Pluk> its a little blurry used with small icons
[12:19] <JLS> 128 on the laptop im trying it on
[12:19] <Pluk> thats why they use the default i guess
[12:20] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: you need the package xfree86-driver-synaptics :-)
[12:20] <ImmeR^> okay.. could U help me installing it?
[12:21] <diesel> Does ubuntu have ssh installed?
[12:21] <Johansson> Pluk: yes, but it's great with normal icons
[12:21] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: sure, pm me when you have it downloaded :-)
[12:21] <Johansson> i don't use small icons
[12:21] <Hikaru79> Johansson, hey, you're right =) I just installed it, looks good!
[12:21] <Pluk> lemme try the simple version of it
[12:21] <PorscheBoy> does kde 3.3.1 support .svg icons?
[12:22] <Pluk> simple is blurry too :(, good thing i have my default icons :P
[12:23] <PorscheBoy> hey Pluk, does kde 3.3 support .svg icons?
[12:23] <JLS> I still cant get the office programs running.. any ideas for anything I could try?
[12:23] <Pluk> dunno PorscheBoy, im not familiar with kde
[12:24] <PorscheBoy> ok
[12:24] <Matt|> JLS, maybe not enough ram
[12:25] <Pluk> JLS, what if you  start oowriter from console?
[12:25] <Pluk> terminal i mean
[12:26] <s0cks> Back
[12:27] <JLS> if I type that in the terminal, I get cdrom activity
[12:27] <JLS> but nothing happens
[12:27] <Matt|> JLS, i think that 128 ram is a bit too little to run the live disk, AND openoffice together
[12:27] <stvn> w/w
[12:28] <Pluk> could take a very long time to load
[12:28] <Pluk> or infinite time :P
[12:28] <Matt|> i guess the live cd can't get swap space sorted
[12:28] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:29] <JLS> ok
[12:29] <JLS> well
[12:30] <JLS> i cant get on the internet
[12:30] <Matt|> JLS, how do you connect normally?
[12:30] <JLS> I can access my router config page, so I know the network is working
[12:30] <JLS> through a router
[12:30] <Debbie> hi all sorry to be a bother but I was referred to ubuntu by a friend. I am a newbie linux user and was told to partition my hard drive to put ubuntu on one part and keep windows on other. Will ubuntu do this automatically for me?
[12:30] <ImmeR^> hypa7ia: Are U there?
[12:31] <JLS> but when I try to go on a normal website it says 'could not be found'..
[12:31] <Pluk> prolly a dns problem
[12:31] <hypa7ia> yup ImmeR^ :-)
[12:31] <Pluk> what does cat /ets/resolv.conf say?
[12:31] <Pluk> etc*
[12:31] <kapputu> hi everyone
[12:31] <kapputu> what's new with ubuntu
[12:31] <Pluk> hiya kapputu
[12:32] <ImmeR^> I dont know how to pm without having a mouse ;)
[12:32] <hypa7ia> Debbie: not exactly, you need to resize the windows partition first :-/
[12:32] <Debbie> is there someplace to go and readup on how to do this or a walkthrough or something
[12:33] <JLS> pluk - how do I find that
[12:33] <kapputu> firefox takes a lot of time to resolve ips
[12:33] <kapputu> especially if i just say domain_name.domain
[12:33] <kapputu> without the www
[12:34] <JLS> no
[12:34] <JLS> it just instantly says not found
[12:34] <JLS> for google.com
[12:34] <Matt|> JLS, can you ping it?
[12:34] <Matt|> ImmeR^, type /query nickname
[12:34] <JLS> how do you ping in this
[12:35] <Debbie> sorry lost page for minut
[12:35] <Matt|> JLS, open terminal, type ping google.com
[12:35] <JLS> unknown host google.com
[12:36] <Pluk> now try ping 216.239.57.99
[12:36] <Debbie> hypa7ia: where can i learn to do this with my hard drive please?
[12:37] <hypa7ia> Debbie: just a sec, i'll have a look :-)
[12:37] <JLS> that ping seems to be working
[12:37] <hypa7ia> Debbie: what version of windows?
[12:37] <Pluk> then its a dns problem
[12:37] <Matt|> JLS, cat /etc/resolv.conf
[12:37] <Debbie> hypa7ia: xp
[12:38] <JLS> what does that mean
[12:38] <JLS> how do I open that
[12:38] <Matt|> JLS, type "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[12:38] <JLS> well nothing happens
[12:39] <JLS> if I type that
[12:39] <JLS> in the termianl
[12:39] <JLS> terminal
[12:40] <Matt|> nothing at all?
[12:43] <hypa7ia> Debbie: do you know if it's NTFS or FAT32 by any chance?
[12:43] <Debbie> ntfs
[12:43] <Pluk> then indeed you cant resolv hostnames to ips cuz your computer  doesnt know the dns ips
[12:43] <JLS> why is that
[12:43] <Pluk> do you get ip throughh dhcp or static?
[12:43] <JLS> my ip address is static
[12:43] <kent> hypa7ia, Debbie, cant partition magic resize ntfs ?
[12:43] <hypa7ia> kent, Debbie yup, or QtParted
[12:43] <nevyn> do not use qtparted
[12:43] <Pluk> type "sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf"
[12:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: what then?
[12:43] <nevyn> it's unsupported by the parted maintainer :(
[12:43] <Pluk> and add your providers dns servers
[12:43] <Pluk> mine says something like:
[12:43] <Pluk> search ipact.nl
[12:43] <Pluk> nameserver 212.29.160.1
[12:43] <Pluk> nameserver 212.29.161.254
[12:43] <Pluk> oh wait
[12:43] <Pluk> ubuntu
[12:43] <hypa7ia> Debbie: unfortunately, ubuntu can't resize ntfs partitions, so you're going to have to work around that..
[12:43] <Pluk> type sudo network-admin
[12:43] <Pluk> and in the dns tab add the dns server
[12:43] <Debbie> ut oh how do i do that? hypa7ia
[12:43] <JLS> ok
[12:43] <JLS> will try
[12:43] <Pluk> good luck :)
[12:43] <hypa7ia> nevyn: any other suggestions for what Debbie can use to repartition?
[12:43] <JLS> thanks
[12:43] <Pluk> partition magic?
[12:44] <Matt|> can he edit his resolv.conf on a live cd?
[12:44] <Pluk> ah darn! forgot about the livecd
[12:44] <hypa7ia> Pluk: partition magick is rather non-free
[12:44] <Pluk> dunno bout a linux app for resizing ntfs
[12:44] <nevyn> hypa7ia: parted ntfsresize tho that's a bit scary.
[12:45] (mjr/#ubuntu) http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html
[12:45] <nevyn> lots of things exist for re-sizing ntfs most of them are scary tho.
[12:45] <Debbie> better off just getting 2nd hard drive maybe?
[12:45] <Matt|> vfat partition for sharing
[12:45] <hypa7ia> Debbie: probably, or reinstlaling XP on a smaller partition
[12:45] <hypa7ia> Debbie: that's what i did
[12:46] <Debbie> so during reinstall how do iget in to mandate partition size?
[12:47] <hypa7ia> Debbie: when reinstalling, you get to the point where you have to choose a partition... delete the one that's there and make a smaller one, and just leave the rest of the space free
[12:47] <Debbie> then will ubuntu ask where to install after done with windows?
[12:48] <hypa7ia> yuppers
[12:49] <hypa7ia> and you just make partitions in the free space
[12:49] <wildcode> My ubuntu install was missing /etc/networks ... because it was missing, I was getting persistant dns failures (but not everytime the network went up), just thought someone would want to know so it can be fixed (in warthog release and what ever package upgrade effects it)
[12:49] <hypa7ia> how big is the drive Debbie?
[12:49] <Debbie> 120G
[12:49] <hypa7ia> ooh, nice :-)
[12:49] <ramzez> hi, anyone using laptops here and can help me perhaps?
[12:50] <Debbie> hehe
[12:50] <Debbie> so half and half i was thinking
[12:50] <hypa7ia> Debbie: make a 5-10 gig / partition, and a big /home
[12:50] <Matt|> erm you may need em early in the drive in order to boot
[12:50] <hypa7ia> that way if you hose something in the install or later on, you don't have to back up home
[12:51] <Debbie> lost me sorry
[12:51] <Matt|> make a big vfat partition you can share with both windows and ubuntu
[12:51] <Matt|> and put ubuntu and windows early in the drive
[12:52] <Debbie> how do I vfat the drive?
[12:52] <hypa7ia> Matt|: i'd think that grub can handle wherever Debbie puts the linux partition...
[12:52] <Matt|> really
[12:52] <hypa7ia> Debbie: when you make the partition with the windows installer, you can choose
[12:52] <Matt|> i thought it had to be in the first 8 GB or something
[12:52] <Pugio> hello
[12:52] <Debbie> whether vfat or ntfs?
[12:53] <Pugio> does anyone know when the Dist CD's will ship? I really want to try ubuntu but I can't DL:(
[12:53] <Matt|> Debbie, vfat is good because both linux and windows can read and write fine from it
[12:53] <wildcode> Matt|, I have ubuntu at the very last 20gig of the 80gig slave drive on ide0 and it works fine ... linux don't care about where it is, only windows does
[12:53] (mjr/#ubuntu) Matt|, wildcode, older BIOSes have had such limits
[12:53] <Matt|> wildcode, oh cool thanks
[12:53] <Matt|> right
[12:53] <ramzez> so nobody runs it on laptop and can't help me?
[12:54] <Matt|> ramzez, i use a laptop what is the prob?
[12:54] (mjr/#ubuntu) ramzez, perhaps if you told us what the actual problem is
[12:54] <Debbie> ok just to make sure I have things straight... Rerun windows install and make the drive vfat and only give windows part of patition, then install ubuntu?
[12:54] <ramzez> sorry :-)
[12:55] <Matt|> no
[12:55] <Matt|> Debbie, nope hang on.
[12:55] <Debbie> ok sorry to be such a pain
[12:56] (mjr/#ubuntu) Debbie, you don't really want to use vfat for the install if you can avoid it;
[12:57] <Debbie> ugh
[12:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) rather make a third vfat partition for data files that you need to access read/write from both systems if you need it
[12:57] <Matt|> Debbie, you _could_ make 3 partitions. 1 - windows (ntfs) 2 - ubuntu (ext3) 3 - sharing space (vfat)
[12:57] <nevyn> 4...
[12:57] <nevyn> swap
[12:57] <ramzez> i run cpu freq monitor and running on batteries but the speed jumps from 132mhz to 1083, i have 800mhz cpu and was wondering how to check that power saving works?
[12:57] <Debbie> Let me put it this way am a newbie and need most user friendly was of trying this please :)
[12:57] <hypa7ia> ramzez: is your lappy a centrino?
[12:57] <hypa7ia> Debbie: i know the feeling, it's frustrating to have to go throught the reinstlal and all :-/
[12:57] <Matt|> ramzez, sounds like the chip is not compatible
[12:57] <ramzez> nope
[12:57] <ramzez> it is p3 coopermine
[12:57] <Hikaru79> What's that line that returns your kernel version again?
[12:57] (mjr/#ubuntu) (if I was Debbie, I'd try to resize with ntfsresize, but that's just me, and she'd probably have to get a boot disk with the software on it and it'd get nontrivial)
[12:57] <Matt|> ramzez, not supported by cpu_freq to my knowledge
[12:57] <Debbie> that odes not scare me I hard copy all the files I need anyhow. Just worried about once I start the procedure will have no way of getting online for help
[12:57] <Matt|> uname -a
[12:58] <ramzez> i c, so does bios settngs for power effect linux ?
[12:58] <Matt|> ramzez, nope but certain processors do not support speed stepping
[12:58] <hypa7ia> ramzez: yes.... you might need to install speedstep-coppermine i think
[12:59] <runixd> anyone had problems with retrieving pop mail with evolution?
[01:00] <hypa7ia> runixd: hoary or warty?
[01:00] <runixd> any
[01:00] <ramzez> is how can i find it?
[01:00] <runixd> have problems with both
[01:00] <jessta> can anyone give me an idea of the size of a default install of warty?
[01:00] <runixd> find what ramzez?
[01:01] <ramzez> i just installed cpufreq from synaptic it says in description it is speedstep applet clone
[01:01] <runixd> jessta, 2 gig should be enough
[01:01] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) 1.3gb
[01:01] <Pluk> jessta, i thought it was 1.2 gb
[01:02] <Matt|> runixd, works fine here
[01:02] <runixd> ramzez, why there is cpufreq applet in ports
[01:02] <farruinn> Does the install size vary for powerpc?  I installed just last week and am at 3.4 GB...
[01:02] <runixd> Matt|, thanx it worked for me also, getting I/O errors now
[01:02] <Matt|> ramzez, try and check if your processor supports speedstepping, i'm not sure it does
[01:02] <ramzez> it does supports in windows
[01:02] <runixd> farruinn, it shouldn't, sudo apt-get clean
[01:03] <Matt|> ramzez, how do you know?
[01:03] <farruinn> runixd, good point
[01:03] <runixd> Matt|, df -h ?
[01:03] <ramzez> cause i there is an intel applet which shows you the current cpu and speedstep driver in windows works
[01:03] <Matt|> ok
[01:04] <runixd> ramzez, speedstep works for me here, together with cpufreq daemon and driver
[01:04] <ramzez> it is my 2nd day with linux
[01:04] <ramzez> how do i start the deamon for cpufreq?
[01:04] <runixd> ramzez, /etc/init.d/cpufreqd start
[01:05] <runixd> its not there on default tho, afaik
[01:05] <runixd> sudo apt-get install cpufreqd
[01:05] <ramzez> what driver you were talking about?
[01:06] <runixd> the one from 2.6 kernel
[01:06] <runixd> speedstep
[01:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) simple
[01:06] <jessta> thanks runixd and Pluk
[01:06] <runixd> Powernowd is too tricky
[01:06] (mjr/#ubuntu) tricky?
[01:06] <runixd> well
[01:06] <ramzez> it looks like it started, how can i check?
[01:06] <runixd> I don't want all the fancy management and jumps when I'm plugged in for example
[01:07] <runixd> ramzez, cat /proc/cpufreq
[01:07] <runixd> ramzez, or you can add gnome applet
[01:07] (mjr/#ubuntu) bah, finicky :
[01:07] <ramzez> how?
[01:08] <runixd> right click on the bar, "add to panel"
[01:08] <runixd> you'll see it there
[01:08] <Matt|> ramzez, right click on your panel, and add the applet
[01:09] <ramzez> CPu Frequency Scaler?
[01:09] <runixd> yeah
[01:09] <ramzez> hmm, weird, if i do /proc/cpuinfo
[01:09] <ramzez> it tells me current speed 650
[01:10] <ramzez> which is correct
[01:10] <ramzez> cause i am running on batteries
[01:10] <ramzez> but if i do /proc/cpufreq
[01:10] <ramzez> it doesn't have any frequencies at all
 hmm, weird, if i do /proc/cpuinfo
 but if i do /proc/cpufreq
[01:11] <runixd> ahh
[01:11] <runixd> I see
[01:11] <runixd> cpuinfo has nothing to do with it
[01:11] <ramzez> also the applet in gnome doesn't show correct freq
[01:11] <runixd> its loaded somewhere around beginning
[01:12] <runixd> it does
[01:12] <ImmeR^> hypa7ia: Didn't catch it last time..
[01:12] <runixd> cpufreq is probably not written to by cpufeqd
[01:13] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: pardon?
[01:13] <ramzez> if i put back the power and cpuinfo still shows 650
[01:13] <ImmeR^> hypa7ia: How to pm ;)
[01:13] <hypa7ia> ramzez: i know for mine i had to disable scaling in the bios
[01:13] <runixd> cpuinfo is not dealing with frequency
[01:13] <hypa7ia> ImmeR^: /msg
[01:14] <ramzez> i c, maybe that's the case
[01:14] <ramzez> do i need to add cpufreqd to modules to run?
[01:14] <runixd> ramzez, it should be added by apt-get
[01:15] <ramzez> ok thanks, let me just restart and disable it in bios, and see what happens
[01:15] <runixd> ok
[01:15] <ramzez> brb
[01:16] <runixd> so everyone is happily checking their email with evolution
[01:17] <hypa7ia> runixd: yup, sorry i can't help... can you maybe file a bug on it?
[01:17] <runixd> hmm, that'll take to long I guess
[01:17] <billytwowilly> runixd,  I love evolution, except that it displays emails in the junk folder as being in the inbox...
[01:18] <runixd> yeah, I love it for v-folders, but it ain't working is not helping
[01:21] <ramzez> runixd, on startup it says no cpufreq interface found
[01:21] <ramzez> what that means?
[01:21] <Lovechild> ramzez, means your cpu can't scale cpu speed according to load
[01:22] <ramzez> so anything i can do about it?
[01:22] <runixd> ramzez, just remove cpufreq module from loading
[01:23] <Lovechild> it's a harmless message, aside ignoring it, removing the module or buying another computer.. no
[01:23] <ramzez> so i can't get speedstep?
[01:23] <j1> hi everybody
[01:23] <runixd> I thought you just disabled cpu scaling
[01:23] <Lovechild> not unless your computer supports it
[01:23] <Lovechild> runixd, that might be the case
[01:23] <ramzez> my computer indeed supports it
[01:23] <Lovechild> j1, hi
[01:24] <socomm> By computer I assume you mean processor.
[01:24] <Lovechild> ramzez, then file a bug with ubuntu and the devs might figure out the problem
[01:25] <ramzez> ok thanks for the help
[01:25] <runixd> ramzez, enable cpuscaling, install cpufreqd
[01:26] <runixd> install gnome cpufreq applet (enable it) it shows correct speed
[01:26] <runixd> but I believe cpufreqd is not what ubuntu suggests
[01:27] <runixd> powernowd has (to my taste) fucked up scaling policy, but is I think default
[01:27] <runixd> for ubuntu
[01:28] <runixd> and supports both power now and speedstep
[01:31] <Gmail> is resolvconf broken?
[01:33] <mazzabr> ok. newbie question again.
[01:33] <mazzabr> I can't install xmms using apt-get.
[01:33] <ramzez> i believe i have all of it installed now so i have: acpi, acpid, acpi-support, cpudyn,cpufreqd,powermgmt-base, powernowd, gnome applet
[01:33] <s0cks> use apt-get
[01:33] <runixd> Gmail, no, why?
[01:33] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get install xmms
[01:33] <mazzabr> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:33] <mazzabr> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[01:33] <mazzabr> oops.
[01:33] <ramzez> anything else i need?
[01:33] <runixd> mazzabr, sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:34] <mazzabr> that's not the right output.
[01:34] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ #  apt-get install xmms
[01:34] <mazzabr> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:34] <mazzabr> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:34] <mazzabr> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:34] <mazzabr> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:34] <mazzabr> is only available from another source
[01:34] <mazzabr> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[01:34] <runixd> ramzez, you have far too much allready, should be fine
[01:34] <runixd> mazzabr, apt-cache search xmms
[01:34] <ramzez> ok, let me restart ones more
[01:35] <mazzabr> runixd, : lots of stuff.
[01:35] <ken> I just installed xmms by synaptic
[01:35] <farruinn> mazzabr apt-cache search xmms | grep xmms maybe
[01:35] <Gmail> runixd: err i i broke it then
[01:36] <mazzabr> farruinn, : almost the same amount.
[01:36] <mazzabr> but no plain flat xmms.
[01:36] <runixd> mazzabr, sudo apt-get update && apt-get install xmms
[01:36] <mazzabr> runixd, : I have updated yesterday. but I'll try again.
[01:37] <runixd> try now
[01:37] <mazzabr> runixd, : update ok
[01:37] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get install xmms
[01:37] <mazzabr> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:37] <mazzabr> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:37] <mazzabr> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:37] <mazzabr> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:37] <mazzabr> is only available from another source
[01:37] <mazzabr> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[01:37] <mazzabr> runixd, : install, the same.
[01:37] <runixd> thats wierd
[01:37] <runixd> try to install a plugin, which depends on it
[01:37] <runixd> or
[01:37] <runixd> ahh
[01:38] <mazzabr> I'm accessing these repositories.
[01:38] <runixd> I know what the problem is
[01:38] <runixd> enable universe
[01:38] <mazzabr> root@bloodwarz:~ # apt-get update
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[01:38] <mazzabr> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[01:38] <mazzabr> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:38] <mazzabr> runixd, : AFAIK it's already enabled :o/
[01:39] <runixd> mazzabr, I'll give you my sources, maybe your mirror is outdated or smth
[01:39] <ramzez> i am back, it again said no cpu freq interface found
[01:39] <mazzabr>  http://archive.ubuntu.com outdated?
[01:40] <runixd> it has to be, i just installed it
[01:41] <Gmail> mazzabr: warty is frozzen
[01:41] <farruinn> is xmms actually in universe?  I just did a apt-cache show xmms and it just says section sound...
[01:41] <Gmail> mazzabr: sorry
[01:42] <Gmail> mazzabr: you need to refresh your list it looks dead
[01:42] <Gmail> mazzabr: there are 2 way the first way is the safe way and the second way is the quick way
[01:43] <Gmail> mazzabr: comment out all sources.list
[01:43] <Gmail> do apt-get update
[01:43] <Gmail> then undo the edit outs in sources.list
[01:43] <Gmail> and apt-get update
[01:44] <siimo> hi can i install ubuntu without X and gnome?
[01:44] <Gmail> yes
[01:44] <runixd> just do expert install
[01:44] <flam> my swedish characters get all weird when i smbmount.. but they look ok when I look at them in nautilus with smb://share/.. i've tried with the options iocharset and codepage for smbmount, but it doesn't work. anyone have a clue?
[01:44] <Gmail> apt really need to check after a apt-get update if the list is dead/broken or not
[01:44] <siimo> as i plan to upgrade to hoary after i install so its better to just get xorg and gnome from there ?
[01:45] <Gmail> siimo: do a real install then
[01:45] <Gmail> and you can upgrade after you got xfree working
[01:45] <siimo> Gmail, what real install? can i install hoary directly?
[01:45] <Gmail> you will have no errors
[01:45] <Gmail> siimo: DONT
[01:46] <Gmail> siimo: just install all of warty and if you know howto fiz a broken system then change in sources.list to hoary and upgrade
[01:46] <Gmail> it will do it all for you
[01:46] <jdub> siimo: install all of warty and upgrade.
[01:46] <Gmail> then restart x and you will be in xorg
[01:47] <piyr> hi, i have ubuntu Warty and i want to install a pdf->html converter
[01:47] <piyr> also i'm a noob
[01:47] <siimo> jdub, is there a reason why i should do that?
[01:47] <Gmail> jdub: yes now bob2 has to tell siimo that then siimo will liston
[01:47] <Gmail> siimo: YES!!!
[01:47] <mazzabr> Gmail, : solved thanx to runixd
[01:47] <Gmail> just do it that way
[01:47] <piyr> i downloaded one but it says I need gcc
[01:48] <piyr> i tried apt-get install gcc
[01:48] <Gmail> Pitr: why not apt-get install one?
[01:48] <piyr> how can i find one that way?
[01:48] <jdub> siimo: it's easier to upgrade
[01:48] <piyr> i found one on sourceforge
[01:48] <mike998> hmmm
[01:48] <ramzez> there is a speedstep driver inside /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq how can i load it
[01:48] <siimo> Gmail, you didnt make any sense
[01:48] <cardador> piyr: have you tried using synaptic to find stuff?
[01:49] <jdub> siimo: you could just do a 'custom' warty install, and then install ubuntu-desktop under hoary though.
[01:49] <mike998> I have a lost partition on my hard-drive - anybody got any idea on how I could get my ubuntu install to see it again
[01:49] <tyrano> hi ;O
[01:49] <tyrano> why is root logged in twice ;O
[01:49] <piyr> cardador: no, i don't know what that is, but i'll google it
[01:49] <Gmail> siimo: you noticed that what i said wasn't address to you that why it makes no sence
[01:49] <farruinn> mike998, lost as in not in fstab anymore perhaps?
[01:49] <Gmail> tyrano: because you mess with your system?
[01:50] <tyrano> no
[01:50] <mike998> farruinn: no, it's not in fstab any more
[01:50] <jdub> siimo: when you boot the warty installer, type 'custom' at the boot prompt
[01:50] <jdub> siimo: that'll just install the base system
[01:50] <tyrano> tyrano@rekon:~ $ who
[01:50] <tyrano> tyrano   :0           Nov 23 16:47
[01:50] <tyrano> tyrano   pts/0        Nov 23 19:39 (:0.0)
[01:50] <tyrano> :|
[01:50] <jdub> siimo: then upgrade to hoary, and install the 'ubuntu-desktop' package
[01:50] <piyr> offtopic -- is there an irc command for replying to the last person who gave you a chat message? (e.g. name: prefix)
[01:50] <cardador> piyr: no need to google it :) its on computer > syst conf > synaptic
[01:51] <mike998> farruinn: the lost partition was there the first time I booted ubuntu, but I have rebooted since and now it's gone
[01:51] <farruinn> mike998, what type of filesystem
[01:51] <Gmail> jdub: you forgot to tell him apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and that there is no root
[01:51] <cardador> piyr: you can use it to find, install, uninstall software
[01:51] <jdub> Gmail: i'm sure he can figure out what to do.
[01:51] <mike998> farruinn: fat (more than likely fat 16)
[01:52] <_Imanewbie_> night folks
[01:52] <Gmail> jdub: then he cound of figured out howto do a custom install it say it in f7 when booting the cd
[01:52] <_Imanewbie_> how can i add linux packages as a repository fir ubuntu?
[01:52] <farruinn> ok, so you probably want something like /dev/hd**  /mnt/wherever vfat user,auto 0 0
[01:53] <mike998> farruinn: I have tried using sudo and mounting the drive (it was originally /dev/hdb) but it's not there any moer
[01:53] <piyr> help /r
[01:53] <piyr> sry
[01:53] <cardador> _Imanewbie_: normally you wont need to.
[01:53] <Cloudchaser> hello folks...i just installed ubuntu ;) I have a question though
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to install some packages..using an FAQ
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> and i get error:
[01:54] <farruinn> mike998, have you tried specifying the specific partition?
[01:54] <farruinn> mike998, and what error does it give you?
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> root@ubuntu:/home/mross # sudo apt-get install gFTP Client
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:54] <Cloudchaser> E: Couldn't find package Client
[01:55] <Cloudchaser> i uncomment universe from sources.list
[01:55] <farruinn> Cloudchaser, try just gftp
[01:55] <housetier> you can use "gftp client" when doing "apt-cache search"
[01:55] <mike998> farruinn: mount:special device dev/hdb does not exist...  This is also true if I try to use /dev/hdb1 as well
[01:55] <_Imanewbie_> cardador: I want it to upgrade to mozilla-firefox 1.0
[01:55] <tvon|x31> Anyone know where X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h has gone in Hoary?
[01:55] <cardador> Cloudchaser: its much easier if you use synaptic. its on computer > syst conf > synaptic
[01:55] <housetier> however when installing a package with "apt-get install" you need to use package names
[01:55] <farruinn> mike998, what does ls /dev/hdb* tell you?
[01:55] <jdub> Gmail: i was providing an overview of a recommended method to install hoary. please chill out.
[01:55] <mike998> farruinn: I have also checked dmesg and it's not there
[01:56] <piyr> cardador: thanks for the synaptic tip -- both dselect and synaptic give only packages for converting pdf to .ps and to .txt, not html.
[01:56] <mike998> farruinn: I get a no such file or directory...
[01:56] <Gmail> jdub: why not give a fornighter broken image?
[01:56] <mike998> I have also tried using the ubuntu install program to see if the partition is there, and I can see it there.
[01:56] <Cloudchaser> ah thank you...the faq is misleading
[01:56] <mike998> just not when I am running my installed system
[01:57] <farruinn> mike998, right, see what's happened is the block device file has been deleted
[01:57] <jdub> Gmail: we have install CDs for hoary, but they are not useful at the moment.
[01:57] <mike998> farruinn : checking google now...
[01:57] <piyr> cardador: would it make sense to install gcc using synaptic so that i can compile the pdf->html program i found on sourceforge?
[01:57] <farruinn> mike998, you need to use mknod to create a new block device
[01:57] <farruinn> this is odd though because I've never heard of this happening before
[01:58] <mike998> farruinn: Neither have I - It is rather frustrating
[01:58] <jdub> piyr: install build-essential
[01:58] <cardador> piyr: yes
[01:58] <Gmail> jdub: that why i said BROEKN
[01:58] <cardador> piyr: normally you should use synaptic to install everything
[01:58] <jdub> Gmail: i have no idea what your question meant, then.
[01:59] <farruinn> mike998, sorry I'm not much help at this point =(  I've never had to create a new block device
[01:59] <flam> anyone successfully smbmounted a drive and are able to see swedish(or other unusual) characters ?
[01:59] <mike998> farruinn: that's okay - the pointer you gave me should help
[01:59] <farruinn> mike998, the mknod manual is at info mknod
[01:59] <piyr> cardador: ok, so using synaptic to install build-essential will install g++?  And I should only compile the programs myself in cases like this where there is apparently no package?
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> how can I changes the sources.list?
[02:00] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, sudo grep /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <farruinn> er, change grep to ...
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> vim
[02:00] <farruinn> gedit
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> =)
[02:01] <farruinn> ok, or vim if you're comfortable
[02:01] <cardador> piyr: yes and yes :)
[02:02] <piyr> cardador: ok, thanks for helping the noobs :)
[02:02] <cardador> piyr: and before you compile it, you can check if there are debs from debian availabe
[02:03] <piyr> cardador: is there a command under computer-> for doing that too?
[02:04] <cardador> piyr: i do it on firefox, on the search applet, just change from google to debian :)
[02:04] <piyr> cardador: ok thanks i'll look
[02:05] <tyrano> i dont think my speedstep is working correctly :|
[02:05] <_Imanewbie_> can I add linux pacjages as a ubuntu repos?
[02:06] <_Imanewbie_> even knowing it is wrong
[02:07] <wildcode> ok my previous observations seems incorrect ... dns has gone again ...
[02:07] <mill> I think ubuntu-desktop have some weird dependencies. For example if I have an alternative irc client installed why would I need irssi-text?
[02:08] <Gmail> err look at smart package maniger
[02:08] <wildcode> dns resolution went on holiday after a apt-get ...
[02:08] <jdub> mill: because that's the supported irc client
[02:08] <piyr> cardador: I found one there! What do I do?
[02:08] <jdub> mill: you don't have to keep ubuntu-desktop installed
[02:08] <Gmail> we have no seen dependce hell till we used it
[02:08] <piyr> cardador: it has dependencies
[02:08] <Gmail> jdub: yes you if your using hoary
[02:08] <cardador> piyr: save it to your disk, then open a terminal and write: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb
[02:09] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, you don't.
[02:09] <mazzabr> jdub, : sorry, but IMO this is not the right way to talk about deficiencies.
[02:09] <jdub> Gmail: huh?
[02:09] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) it simply means that you don't track ubuntu-desktop
[02:09] <jdub> mazzabr: deficiency?
[02:09] <cardador> piyr: if it doesnt install because of dependencies, just use synaptic and click on "fix broken packages"
[02:09] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, what do you mean by "linux packages"?
[02:09] <Gmail> yes you do if not you will not see gamin... you be using fam still...
[02:09] <mazzabr> jdub, : sorry, bad english.
[02:10] <mazzabr> jdub, : I meant, cons.
[02:10] <piyr> cardador: actually i don't know how to install a .deb package...
[02:10] <cardador> piyr: save it to your disk, then open a terminal and write: sudo dpkg -i blabla.deb
[02:10] <jdub> mazzabr: i don't understand the comment (you probably used the right word)
[02:10] <mazzabr> jdub, <jdub> mill: you don't have to keep ubuntu-desktop installed
[02:10] <jdub> Gmail: that's not a general problem
[02:10] <jdub> mazzabr: what's wrong with that?
[02:10] <wildcode> anyone here know how to solve dns resolution failing in ubuntu randomly but persistantly (ie: once it starts failing it doesn't really come good, even after reboot, but will suddenly work again just as mysteriously as it stopped)
[02:10] <piyr> cardador: ok.  sudo dpkg -i pdftohtml_0.36-7.1_i386.deb.  Thanks.
[02:10] <mazzabr> jdub, : mill tried to be constructive.
[02:11] <jdub> mill: mill had a question, which i answered
[02:11] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: yes
[02:11] <cardador> piyr: that is on ubuntu repository!
[02:11] <mazzabr> jdub, : never mind... the discussion died :o)
[02:11] <mazzabr> ;o)
[02:12] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, I'm still confused, do you mean debian repositories?
[02:12] <piyr> cardador: what do you mean?
[02:12] <tvon|x31> Has anyone built beagle on Hoary?
[02:12] <tvon|x31> or tried...
[02:12] <cardador> piyr: i searched for it in synaptic
[02:12] <cardador> piyr: probably you dont have universe and multiverse repositories enabled.
[02:12] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: places to take packages
[02:13] <Rene_S> Does it still count if I choose to use KDE on my Ubuntu ?
[02:13] <LinuxJones> wildcode, is dns resolution slow ro not working at all ?
[02:13] <cardador> piyr: synaptic > settings > repositories > (go to the ticked line) > section(s) > add universe and multiverse after "main restricted"
[02:14] <cardador> piyr: then click reload, and if you search for pdftohtml youll find it
[02:14] <siimo> Rene_S, does what count
[02:14] <runixd> it still counts as ubuntu :)
[02:14] <Rene_S> hehe
[02:15] <Nivlem> Can anyone tell me if Ubuntu supports hfs+ without a re-compile of the kernel?
[02:15] <runixd> Nivlem, it has every filesystem from default kernel compiled as module
[02:15] <_Imanewbie_> I want to find firefox 1.0 on a repos
[02:15] <Rene_S> I didn't want to be seen as some kind of whack job Ubuntu user who didn't like Gnome that much
[02:15] <jdub> Nivlem: it does
[02:16] <runixd> Rene_S, you will be seen as one
[02:16] <Nivlem> jdub: Kewl thanks...
[02:16] <Cloudchaser> _Imanewbie_, if you find it, i'd like to know where ;)
[02:16] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, oh, well if that's what you want, someone posted with a repository to the ubuntu-users list.  Theirs has firefox 1.0
[02:16] <Rene_S> runixd, oh well, I guess I will be the Ubuntu community idiot then.
[02:16] <runixd> yep
[02:16] <runixd> :P
[02:17] <piyr> cardador: thanks.  I have a small problem: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:17] <Nivlem> Now the next question is that I just checked fstab and it didn't add a entry for my firewire hard drive.....how would I check to see if it created the device for it? It was /dev/sdb under Mandrake 10.1
[02:17] <siimo> Rene_S, linux is all about choice
[02:17] <tvon|x31> hrm
[02:17] <runixd> but then there is good choice and bad choice
[02:17] <piyr> cardador: i'm working on it...
[02:17] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: where can I check it?
[02:18] <farruinn> lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users
[02:18] <runixd> Nivlem, cat /etc/mtab
[02:18] <Rene_S> Yeah for me Gnome isnt the best choice, however I like the Ubuntu people and philosophy so I am sticking with it
[02:18] <Nivlem> runixd: K...and Ubuntu uses /media instead of /mnt?
[02:19] <runixd> Nivlem, it uses whatever is written in fstab
[02:19] <runixd> which is /media :)
[02:19] <Nivlem> runixd: Gracias
[02:19] <runixd> welcome
[02:19] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: when was it? this month: last month?
[02:21] <Nivlem> runixd: It does not show anything to do with firewire(ieee1394, sbp2) does this mean that it isn't setup?
[02:21] <runixd> yes
[02:22] <Nivlem> runixd: If I just modprobe the modules would that enable Ubuntu to do the rest?
[02:22] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, don't remember for sure, think it was this month
[02:22] <runixd> Nivlem, if you mount it, modules will be loaded
[02:23] <GotD0t> has anybody recieved their ubuntu cds?
[02:23] <rasher> GotD0t: I have
[02:23] <rasher> Can anyone recommend a fluxbox theme that fits with the ubuntu look? Or one that is close?
[02:23] <Nivlem> runixd: should I assume the device name will be /dev/sdb?
[02:23] <Rene_S> No, cant say that I have.  I made mine
[02:23] <rasher> GotD0t: last friday
[02:23] <runixd> Nivlem, I'm not sure, don't have any firewire
[02:26] <Nivlem> runixd: Just so you know...it did it...heh
[02:26] <piyr> cardador: Thanks again.  I got it installed but it dies by segfault lol
[02:27] <wildcode> LinuxJones, not working at all, dns servers are working though, dig of ip addresses appear fine
[02:27] <thegnu> this may be a stupid question, but I can't find it on google, or linuxquestions, etc.  I've got a samsung ml-1740, and it won't print...
[02:27] <thegnu> the driver is installed, but it I can't select it
[02:27] <Nivlem> Anyone else in here running a firewire hard drive with more than one partition?
[02:27] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: the guy just said to uncomment theuniverse lines on the post ive found
[02:28] <hypa7ia> thegnu: permissions problem maybe?
[02:28] <thegnu> maybe.  on the ppd?
[02:28] <tyrano> does anyone know how i can setup speedstep correctly in ubuntu? my cpu is always running at max speed which is bad.
[02:28] <wildcode> LinuxJones, hmm, now I can't reach the dns server :/
[02:28] <farruinn> _Imanewbie_, eh, maybe I'm just dreaming, but I could have sworn someone posted saying that had put up their own public repository that had firefox 1.0 on it
[02:28] <thegnu> if I install the printer as a 1710 with the supplied driver, it works.
[02:29] <piyr> Nivlem: can you boot from it?
[02:29] <wildcode> LinuxJones, this is only in ubuntu, if I switch to windows, they'll work fine, back to ubuntu, they fail
[02:29] <_Imanewbie_> farruinn: nevermind it isnt so urgent for me
[02:29] <_Imanewbie_> bye guys I gtg
[02:29] <thegnu> in /etc/cups/ppd/, ls -l shows the same permissions for the 1710 ppd and 1740 ppd
[02:30] <thegnu> Is there an easy way to enable the HTTP interface for CUPS in ubuntu?
[02:30] <wildcode> LinuxJones, currently a windows machine on the nal isn't having any dns issues, yet ubuntu is
[02:30] <wildcode> nal = lan
[02:31] <thegnu> I also can't run the configuration program that comes with the printer, which worked on Arch Linux.  I tried setting a password:  lppasswd -g sys -a root
[02:31] <thegnu> it says authentication failed
[02:32] <mike998> okay - after much googling and even more swearing I must admit defeat and admit that I can't figure out how to use mknod
[02:33] <farruinn> mike998, any idea as to how /dev/hdb* disappeared?
[02:33] <mike998> does anybody know of a better resource - the info and man pages are not much help...
[02:33] <mike998> farruinn: I'm afraid not.  dev/hdb just stopped appearing.
[02:34] <Nivlem> piyr: No I don't know that Ubuntu support that...and I have a seperate drive for Ubuntu... ;-)
[02:34] <farruinn> ooh, it's /dev/hdb, not dev/hdb
[02:34] <mike998> farruinn: sorry - my typo... it's /dev/hdb
[02:35] <mike998> basically the second partion on my only hard drive
[02:35] <farruinn> mike998, ok, I was really worried for a moment that I had made a typo and lead you astray
[02:35] <piyr> Nivlem: Well I have a firewire hard drive, but it has only one partition and I haven't tried it with linux...
[02:35] <farruinn> mike998, if it's your only harddrive why do you have it set to slave?
[02:35] <farruinn> (hda)
[02:36] <farruinn> is / on hdb?
[02:37] <mike998> farruinn: I partitioned my drive when I had winxp on there so I had a 49gig partition for my ubuntu install and about a 30gig for my data so I wouldn't lose it
[02:37] <mike998> oh, boy is this silly
[02:37] <Nivlem> piyr: It will find it just fine...I am trying to figure out how to mount the individual partitions...I am mounting the whole drive right now.. :-(
[02:38] <Nivlem> piyr: What kind if filesystem?
[02:38] <Nivlem> *of*
[02:38] <farruinn> mike998, if it's only one disk and you're using Ubuntu at the moment then it's not possible for the 10 GB partition to be on hdb
[02:38] <mill> Hmm. Is there something special I have to do to be able to receive mail? Sending works and receiving locally too.
[02:39] <farruinn> er, 30 gig
[02:39] <piyr> Nivlem: windows; i'm a linux noob probably of no use in answering your technical questions :p
[02:39] <lil_anthony> anyone know how to play wmv's that have encryption cause when i go to play some wmv's it says encrypted and i thought i had all the codecs i need installed but oviously not
[02:40] <nevyn> lil_anthony: encrypted wmv's are drm'd you can't play them on linux afaik
[02:40] <farruinn> mike998, what does cat /etc/mtab say?
[02:40] <lil_anthony> ok thanks
[02:40] <nevyn> did you buy it off the internet somewhere?
[02:41] <lil_anthony> yeah, just one i had downloaded long time ago
[02:41] <lil_anthony> the playboy version of kidrocks cowyboy song :)
[02:41] <mike998> farruinn : dev/hda1 / ext3 rw,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[02:41] <mike998> skipping proc, sysfs
[02:42] <mike998> devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0
[02:42] <farruinn> ok, so your other partition is probably on hda2 I would say
[02:42] <mike998> farruinn: I think I need to be slapped just a little bit
[02:42] <mike998> just a little
[02:42] <mike998> have yerself a beer as well.  on me
[02:43] <Rene_S> Try using the proper postage, that way your long distance mail arrives and you will recieve replies
[02:43] <mike998> what a moron I am
[02:43] <farruinn> mike998, eh, don't worry about it, we all have our moments =)
[02:44] <mike998> farruinn: you have been most patient.  Thanks again
[02:44] <farruinn> hopefully it will work now
[02:44] <mike998> apart from the fact that I can't explore it... yep it works
[02:46] <farruinn> but it mounts?
[02:46] <mike998> farruinn: yes.  I'm grabbing my rtcw files from there now
[02:46] <Rene_S> If you wanna explore it hang on while i get my shorts and machete and i will come explore it with ya
[02:46] <eruin> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/style/basics/index.html
[02:46] <eruin> meh
[02:47] <eruin> the kde humaninterfaceguidelines are a disaster in terms of human interface
[02:47] <eruin> ;P
[02:49] <Faustus> how far us ubuntu-ppc from being stable?
[02:49] <billytwowilly> it's really stable isn't it?
[02:50] <Rene_S> eruin, thats because they were written for Martians not Humans
[02:50] <jdub> Faustus: 4.10 was released in october, with ppc supported
[02:50] <farruinn> Faustus, not sure what you mean, it seems pretty damn stable to me
[02:50] <Faustus> not on my imac, 5 kernels panics in tree days
[02:50] <Faustus> three
[02:51] <Faustus> one with xmms playing a tone of others with the xscreensaver, I was never able to ssh in.
[02:51] <thegnu> how do you install a downloaded driver in gnome-cups-manager?
[02:51] <Majestic|Linux> whats swap for?
[02:52] <thegnu> I've got the Samsung driver for the ML-1740, and it just won't let me do it
[02:52] <eruin> swap = slow replacement for ram
[02:52] <Faustus> In fact I was writing submissions on these problems when I go a gui freeze.  The alt-cntrl-F1 didn't work, rage 128 doesn't have accel because it's deopth gets set wrong
[02:52] <Majestic|Linux> thanks
[02:53] <eruin> Majestic|Linux: generally having as much swapspace as you have ram is a good idea
[02:53] <Majestic|Linux> I have 256mb of ram and 620.12mb of swap
[02:53] <eruin> well, that's ok too ;)
[02:53] <Majestic|Linux> because I have 3 partitions (20gb total)
[02:53] <Majestic|Linux> 5.68gb, 5.68gb, and 6.68gb
[02:54] <eruin> and one 620.12mb ;)
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> but really its 6.1gb, 6.1gb, and 7.1gb
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> and 620.12mb for swap
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> it just shows different
[02:54] <Majestic|Linux> but when I made the partition with Ubuntu it showed 6.1, 6.1, 7.1 and the rest for swap 620 or something
[02:55] <eruin> compared to ?
[02:55] <Majestic|Linux> but now I have qtparted open on MEPIS because i wanted to see it and it shows diff. its ok i noticed on my laptop 30gb shows 27gb on kanotix
[02:55] <zugwrack> Ok is there a GUI interface for adjusting yaboot?
[02:55] <Majestic|Linux> not comparing it
[02:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) gb aint gb
[02:55] <eruin> 1gb in linux is one billion bytes
[02:56] <Faustus> farruinn:what hardware are u running ppc on?
[02:56] <eruin> 1gb in winblows is 1,024,000,000 bytes
[02:56] <Majestic|Linux> so yea
[02:56] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: erm
[02:57] <farruinn> beige G3, rev 2
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) A gigabyte is two to the 30th power, or 1,073,741,824 in decimal notation.
[02:57] <eruin> GB if you wanna be picky?
[02:57] <Majestic|Linux> how can I run more than 1 distro with ubuntu?
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) a gb in like is 2^30
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) last time I checked
[02:57] <Faustus> no probs?
[02:57] <Faustus> caveats?
[02:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and in any case, if you're using applications, they might have their own definitions
[02:58] <farruinn> I haven't had any problems - in fact the Ubuntu install went a hell of a lot better than when I installed Debian
[02:58] <Majestic|Linux> save the boot for the other distros to a floppy?
[02:58] <farruinn> Sound just works, X just works...
[02:58] <Majestic|Linux> because I'm gonna be runnng Ubuntu, Libranet and MEPIS on here
[02:58] <zugwrack> Is there anything special I need to do after editing yaboot.conf?
[02:58] <Faustus> for sure, debian sarge installer is finicky, sometimes it installs with flying colors
[02:59] <Faustus> sometimes not
[02:59] <farruinn> Actually I did woody install w/ boot floppies
[02:59] <zugwrack> Majestic|Linux: Is this all i386? Or PC based?
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> i386?
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> pC Based?
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> its on my Celeron 634mhz 256mb 20gb pc if thats what you mean
[02:59] <Faustus> so u haven't had any freezes?  Well maybe I'll submit my findings in the hope that I can run it in the future
[02:59] <Majestic|Linux> and its i686 to my understanding
[03:00] <thegnu> does anyone know how to enable a password for the root user for CUPS?
[03:00] <thegnu> because I've enabled root:
[03:00] <thegnu> sudo passwd root
[03:00] <thegnu> then:
[03:00] <farruinn> Faustus, Ubuntu's been running beautifully.  I never boot into OS X anymore (except for the occasional startmol -X)
[03:00] <thegnu> lppasswd -g sys -a root
[03:01] <Faustus> don't get me wrong
[03:01] <eruin> does mol work on i386?
[03:01] <thegnu> and still when I'm asked for a password by CUPS, I get authentication failed
[03:01] <Faustus> I loved it, it fealt like a new computer, fast but I just kept on having panics
[03:01] <zugwrack> Majestic: Yes that is what I mean...just make sure you have pre-partitioned your hard drive to allow for additional installs...depending on the bootloader (LILO,Grub) Each time you will add a line to tell it which partition the other images is on...
[03:01] <farruinn> eruin, no, because the way mol works macos actually runs on the processor itself
[03:01] <farruinn> so it's not really an emulator (AFAIK)
[03:01] <FTTP> AWESOME NEWS
[03:01] <FTTP> Intel also said it will open four Linux development centers to help software companies build PC applications for Linux computers.
[03:01] <Majestic|Linux> zugwrack, I'm a newbie and I dont know how todo that.
[03:01] <FTTP> And Intel is going to help develop link for DESKTOP !
[03:01] <Faustus> no very few things are emilated w/ mol
[03:02] <FTTP> err linux
[03:02] <eruin> FTTP: link?
[03:02] <FTTP> Intel more active in desktop Linux
[03:02] <farruinn> I guess sound and network is emulated...
[03:02] <eruin> as in url?
[03:02] <FTTP> http://news.com.com/Intel+more+active+in+desktop+Linux/2100-7344_3-5465225.html
[03:02] <farruinn> FTTP we need to find you a linux evangalism channel or something
[03:03] <FTTP> eruin:  It came to a point where in emerging markets microsoft had to cut prices
[03:03] <FTTP> microsofts market is saturated
[03:03] <zugwrack> Majestic: We were all newbies at one time...and we are all at various stages in our own knowledge of Linux...if it is just a playbox then don't worry about it...all that can happen is you have to re-format and reinstall...otherwise read and read and read..then once you have the information go ahead with your plans...
[03:03] <thegnu> when I try to do it manually, I get: lpadmin: add-printer (set model) failed: server-error-internal-error
[03:03] <Faustus> intel moving away from M$?  M$ share went down today too
[03:04] <eruin> FTTP: ms has been selling stripped down versions of their software in all non-western countries for quite some time now :P
[03:04] <zugwrack> Faustus: that is good news ;-)
[03:04] <Faustus> Could this be the beginning of hte end to wintel ?
[03:04] <eruin> FTTP: but that's great news... hopefully amd will follow ;>
[03:04] <Majestic|Linux> thanks
[03:04] <thegnu> has anyone been able to use the web interface for CUPS?
[03:04] <Faustus> IBM supporting linux too
[03:04] <zugwrack> Majestic: no problem...just common sense really ;-)
[03:05] <Rene_S> IBM jeez, just wait soon MS will support Linux, cause they have too
[03:05] <eruin> "but those efforts have been largely confined to powerful networked computers called servers." - I don't see why they need to write it like that on an online newssite ;P
[03:05] <Faustus> but that's a mixed bag as my phil of comp prof tells me that IBM is threatening to sue down the road
[03:05] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) eruin: I wish my servers were powerful
[03:05] <eruin> hasn't ibm always supported linux?
[03:05] <FTTP> rene:  With SCO they are
[03:05] <Faustus> something about them having patents, perhaps he was refering to the disputed gui patents/
[03:05] <FTTP> rene:  Errrr microsoft is supporting UNIX
[03:05] <FTTP> sorry
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Since 2000
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Not always
[03:06] <eruin> well I can tell linux is growing
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  Since the current CEO took charge
[03:06] <eruin> people I'd never think used linux actually are around here
[03:06] <FTTP> eruin:  In the USA linux is too far behind tho
[03:06] <FTTP> in emerging markets its growing
[03:06] <eruin> us always lags behind
[03:07] <FTTP> no i mean linux
[03:07] <FTTP> we like our microsoft here
[03:07] <FTTP> cept me
[03:07] <FTTP> people dont mind paying for microsoft
[03:07] <housetier> #osfight
[03:07] <Faustus> remember that ms came to ibm and convinced them to support windows
[03:07] <eruin> housetier: ?
[03:07] <housetier> maybe even #oswar
[03:07] <eruin> silly.
[03:08] <Faustus> ibm has always had their version of *nix, which usually was failed miserably fromwhat I've read
[03:08] <FTTP> faustus:  i think the sco lawsuit is really about the fact that in the USA nothing really progressed like microsoft did
[03:08] <FTTP> boies was part of the antitrust suit
[03:08] <FTTP> against microsoft and in no way plays favor to microsoft
[03:08] <FTTP> and he also defended ibm
[03:08] <FTTP> so his motives (which are not money alone, he is an issue guy)
[03:08] <FTTP> is prolly to alter the landscape of competition
[03:09] <FTTP> but if this makes ibm press harder to push linux
[03:09] <FTTP> it may actually work
[03:09] <FTTP> even if he loses
[03:09] <eruin> along with this here widespread usa-boycot
[03:09] <FTTP> ?
[03:09] <FTTP> boycot of what?
[03:10] <FTTP> Linux had 2.6 percent of the desktop market compared with 93 percent for Windows
[03:10] <FTTP> 2.6% in the usa?
[03:10] <eruin> most major us labels have suffered ~20-30% saldesdrops here
[03:10] <FTTP> i didnt think it was that high
[03:10] <FTTP> eruin what country are you in?
[03:10] <eruin> norway
[03:10] <FTTP> ok
[03:10] <FTTP> europe hates USA
[03:10] <eruin> same thing going on around europe apparently
[03:11] <FTTP> look at the euro vs dollar
[03:11] <FTTP> you guys hate us
[03:11] <eruin> no, we're just feeling f**king ambivalent
[03:11] <eruin> ;p
[03:11] <FTTP> eruin there should be a global war i mean in terms of business and innovation between europe and the usa
[03:11] <FTTP> it will be exciting
[03:11] <eruin> I think there already is
[03:12] <FTTP> eruin:  Europe went towards linux right?
[03:12] <eruin> yeah
[03:12] <FTTP> even in govt
[03:12] <FTTP> usa is pro microsoft
[03:12] <FTTP> novell bought up suse (german)
[03:12] <eruin> both eu and domestic
[03:12] <housetier> and I thought I was being silly- this is ridiculous and highly inappropriate
[03:12] <FTTP> housetier ?
[03:13] <tvon|x31> any Hoary devs around?  I'm on a hunt for "X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h"...I'm thinking the file was lost in the Xorg move
[03:13] <eruin> where's ubuntu originated?
[03:13] <Tsjoklat> UK
[03:13] <tvon|x31> other Xorg distros seem to have it, but I can't find it in Ubuntu nor Sid
[03:13] <Penguin> yuan is best currency
[03:13] <FTTP> isle of man is the hq
[03:13] <FTTP> isle of man =/ uk
[03:13] <FTTP> but the founder is from south africa
[03:13] <eruin> seriously?
[03:13] <mill> I get "Connection refused" when I am trying to connect the mailserver (postfix) from the outside. At least that is what happens with telnet and the logs doesn't provide any information. What do I have to do to remedy that?
[03:13] <Penguin> :D
[03:14] <FTTP> isle of man = nation
[03:14] <FTTP> but Shuttleworth is from south africa
[03:14] <eruin> tvon|x31: yeah; I see it on my mounted fedora drive
[03:14] <FTTP> so i dunno what you call it
[03:14] <Tsjoklat> FTTP: international? :P
[03:16] <eruin> http://www.newsforge.com/business/03/08/13/1424212.shtml?tid=3
[03:16] <eruin> eck
[03:18] <eruin> so linux currently has a marketshare higher than osX
[03:18] <eruin> err, os*
[03:20] <farruinn> currently?
[03:20] <eruin> 2003 @ 3.2%
[03:22] <farruinn> that's on the site your just posted?
[03:22] <eruin> nah
[03:22] <eruin> the one I just posted sounds highly speculative
[03:22] <farruinn> lol, oh, I'm searching all over that thing thinking wtf
[03:22] <eruin> this figure is according to IDC market data
[03:22] <farruinn> ok, got it
[03:22] <bratsche> How hard is it to make a deb file from a tarball?
[03:23] <eruin> bratsche: about http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ hard
[03:23] <bratsche> eruin: Thanks.
[03:23] <afshin> I want to build modules for my system but I get complaints taht lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686-smp/build: No such file or directory.
[03:23] <eruin> bratsche: your tarball might already have a debian subfolder, making things easier
[03:23] <afshin> which package do i need to d/l from synaptic to be able to buidl kernel modules?
[03:24] <bratsche> eruin: Yes, it does.
[03:24] <bratsche> eruin: They have .deb files on the website, but they're i386 and I'm trying to make deb for amd64.
[03:24] <bratsche> It's for libdvdcss
[03:25] <caleb_> anybody seen a beagle package yet?
[03:29] <afshin> which package do i need to d/l from synaptic to be able to buidl kernel modules?
[03:30] <mill> kernel-package?
[03:30] <afshin> hrm perhapes
[03:30] <eruin> gcc? :P
[03:31] <mike998> has anyone had any success in installing the loki graphical installer
[03:34] <mill> Blah. Can't get postfix to work.
[03:42] <eruin> http://zorked.net/smart/
[03:42] <eruin> eh
[03:43] (sladen/#ubuntu) eruin: yeah, I was looking at that.  mdz is listed in the credits so hopefully he'll know more about it
[03:56] <LucidVisions> Is anyone on in this room right now from south africa?
[03:59] <tyrano> i have linux-image-2.6.8.1-3.686 installed, can i uninstall via synaptics and install the 686 instead, or is that just not worth the trouble
[04:00] <tyrano> ?
[04:01] <siimo> anyone here run hoary ?
[04:01] <LucidVisions> I do
[04:01] <gen> i also do
[04:02] <tyrano> ;[
[04:02] <Cloudchaser> well its late in europe..and i'm just an ubuntu newbie ;)
[04:02] <kensai> siimo, what seems to be the problem?
[04:02] <tyrano> how does one run hoary
[04:02] <tyrano> or update to hoary o_O
[04:02] <siimo> kensai, i was just asking...
[04:02] <gen> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:02] <gen> change all the warty strings to hoary
[04:02] <kensai> tyrano, in /etc/apt/sources.list change everything that says warty to hoary
[04:02] <siimo> tyrano, wiki
[04:02] <gen> then save
[04:02] <gen> sudo apt-get updat
[04:02] <gen> update*
[04:02] <gen> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:02] <gen> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:02] <LucidVisions> 400mb+
[04:03] <tyrano> coo
[04:03] <LucidVisions> hehe
[04:03] <kensai> siimo, 90% of us run hoary
[04:03] <tyrano> should i do that o_O
[04:03] <siimo> tyrano, dont remove a kernel before your new kernel boots properly
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: main restricted universe multiverse
[04:03] <kensai> tyrano, you'll get unstable
[04:03] <LucidVisions> its gonna be 400mb+ of updating,,but its worth it
[04:03] <siimo> kensai, :O didnt know that thats a high percentage
[04:03] <kensai> tyrano, if you want a stable pc keep warty
[04:03] <tyrano> o
[04:03] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: if you want stable wait til feb
[04:03] <siimo> i thought from reading the ubuntu website more will be running the release
[04:03] <tyrano> is there anything worth getting
[04:04] <farruinn> we should have a bot that answers the warty->hoary question
[04:04] <tyrano> ahh feb is not that long away
[04:04] <kensai> siimo, thats my guess it could be a little less though
[04:04] <kensai> siimo, maybe a should change it to 80% ;)
[04:05] <siimo> well thats still a high percentage - does it mean its relatively stable to use
[04:05] <gen> yes siimo
[04:05] <eruin> "dpkg-reconfigure locales" -> remove all non-utf8 ones, select your locale (in utf8) and make it the default one
[04:05] <eruin> that's also required if you move to hoary..
[04:06] <eruin> regeya: you sound like yoda
[04:06] <gen> yoda sound you like
[04:07] <tyrano> it sucks there is no way to choose your kernel when installing :|
[04:07] <tyrano> i wanted 686 image not 386 :/
[04:07] <eruin> how about just installing the 686 one? :P
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: hoary is a lot of headaches and not for everyone
[04:07] <eruin> it'll show up in your grub, you boot with it, then remove your 386 kernel
[04:07] <Tsjoklat> tyrano on the forum is a post to get new gaim/xchat and so forth without going hoary
[04:08] <tyrano> nah i dont need all that
[04:08] <siimo> tyrano, just install i686 then boot to it and make sure it works then remove 386
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> I would really wait.. it is no fun having a broken down box and no means of fixing it yourself
[04:08] <gen> you don't have to remove 386, so small anyhow
[04:08] <tyrano> can you do it through synaptics?
[04:08] <tyrano> i see it there ;O
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> tyrano but I don't want to assume that you are dense
[04:08] <dewey> what is broken in hoary?
[04:08] <Tsjoklat> tyrano: or implicate that you are :)
[04:09] <tyrano> ;] 
[04:09] <regeya> like yoda I sound, you think?
[04:09] <gen> no
[04:09] <regeya> so certain are you...
[04:10] <NewComer> regeya, no, it's this way... like yoda I sound, think you?
[04:10] <eruin> so.. foolish
[04:10] <regeya> ah
[04:10] <regeya> corrected I am.  foolish I feel.
[04:10] <Tsjoklat> dewey: what isn't :P
[04:10] <NewComer> LOL
[04:10] <eruin> and with foolish comes humiliation!
[04:10] <gen> i've been on hoary for a few weeks with no major problem
[04:11] <eruin> not a single hoary problem here
[04:11] <NewComer> don't know who taught yoda english, but he did a terrible job
[04:11] <eruin> apart from xorg being a bit broken in the locale department
[04:11] <Tsjoklat> gthumb doesn't work anymore, changing background doesn't work anymore, evo said bugger you, gdesklet needs tweaking here and there
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> screenshot has vanished for now (will return)
[04:12] <eruin> gthumb works fine here
[04:12] <gen> changing background works fine for me
[04:12] <eruin> changing background same
[04:12] <eruin> evo says hello darling
[04:12] <regeya> yoda seems to be one part backwards and one part old-fashioned
[04:12] <eruin> gdesklets _could_ use a bit of tweaking, but it's at 0.3 ffs
[04:12] <regeya> he's formal, but in a funny way. :-D
[04:12] <gen> bg changing wasn't working, then did another upgrade yesterday and now works
[04:12] <Tsjoklat> ubu devs themselves say one should wait
[04:13] <regeya> indeed.
[04:13] <Tsjoklat> gen have to do that today... it will all be fixed, not worry about it.. but I can see a noob going bonkers
[04:13] <regeya> as a somewhat-interested user, I would suggest that casual users grin and bear the (very mildly) stale packages, and wait a while.
[04:14] <regeya> I still can't believe bruce perens says he's never had a showstopper on debian unstable.
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> on that note: night all
[04:14] <gen> night Tsjoklat
[04:14] <Tsjoklat> :)
[04:14] <regeya> can't believe it because I think he's full of what the horse left
[04:16] <Seq> anybody using hoary and also using the gnome-blog panel applet?
[04:16] <Seq> i seem to get a preferences error whenever i try to use it as an applet after updating earlier, but standalone works fine
[04:17] <Tyche> hello
[04:18] <FTTP> linus net worth = 0,  bill gates net worth = 10000000000000
[04:18] <FTTP> polar opposites
[04:18] <housetier> ok
[04:18] <farruinn> FTTP, how is that relevant at all?
[04:18] <housetier> next topic please
[04:19] <Seq> i don't know, linus has a nice job at osdn (i think thats where it is) i'd like to have
[04:19] <dewey> wow 653MB to download for hoary!
[04:20] <FTTP> seq:  He doesnt get stock options
[04:20] <FTTP> :P
[04:20] <FTTP> its non profit
[04:20] <Seq> FTTP: who cares, he likes his job, he makes enough to live happily
[04:20] <housetier> my net worth = 0
[04:20] <housetier> wtf cares?
[04:21] <FTTP> seq:  I want profit dammit im a greedy f0ck
[04:22] <FTTP> my name is darl mcbride
[04:22] <FTTP> :P
[04:22] <jdub> FTTP: take it elsewhere please.
[04:22] <LucidVisions> fttp: your lame
[04:22] <dewey> okay here goes hoary upgrade :)
[04:22] <farruinn> anyone have any idea why synaptic doesn't show me any packages?  when I select a section or do a search is says X packages listed, but it doesn't show any in the window
[04:22] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) LucidVisions: keep your hands off it
[04:22] <eruin> http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20041109.ars
[04:22] <eruin> seen that?
[04:22] <farruinn> dselect doesn't list anything as well, yet aptitude does...
[04:23] <eruin> anyone seen something similar with ubuntu?
[04:23] <LucidVisions> why,he is being an ass
[04:23] <FTTP> jdub:  McBride trying to ruin us
[04:23] <FTTP> but he wont succeed
[04:23] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) LucidVisions: doesn't mean you can go around grabbing his lame like a fruit
[04:23] <housetier> you are ruining the spirit here, FTTP
[04:24] <housetier> sadly you have succeeded
[04:24] <LucidVisions> KneelBeforeXorg: alright
[04:24] <jdub> FTTP: take it elsewhere please.
[04:24] <LucidVisions> you win
[04:25] <IRCMonkey> hello, is there any wau to install ubuntu with a 2.4 kernel?
[04:26] <jdub> IRCMonkey: there is a 2.4 kernel available, but you can install with it
[04:26] <jdub> IRCMonkey: i wouldn't recommend it unless you have very specific requirements (for a server, generally)
[04:26] <IRCMonkey> i need it cuase otherwise i cannot get audio
[04:26] <farruinn> No one else has had any problems with synaptic/dselect?  I tried a dpkg-reconfigure on them, but that didn't do anything
[04:27] <farruinn> This happened after I installed a package from source with dpkg
[04:27] <ajmitch_> jdub: how about broken usb with 2.6?
[04:27] <IRCMonkey> what i have to do to get the kernel 2.4 version??
[04:27] <kensai> distrowatch.com is powered by Ubuntu, Hurray!
[04:27] <regeya> !
[04:28] <jdub> IRCMonkey: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4
[04:28] <jdub> ajmitch_: it's not *that* broken ;)
[04:28] <jdub> IRCMonkey: what audio hardware do you have?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> jdub: on this box I have here, it seems quite broken :)
[04:28] <gen> kensai, where'd you get that from
[04:28] <IRCMonkey> i have an ati soundmax integrated card
[04:28] <jdub> ajmitch_: hardware?
[04:28] <ajmitch_> although I'm not sure if it's solely usb, or other factors
[04:28] <ajmitch_> works fine with knoppix & 2.4
[04:28] <jdub> IRCMonkey: no driver in 2.6 at all?
[04:29] <kensai> gen, http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20041122#move
[04:29] <ajmitch_> sits & spins with knoppix & 2.6
[04:29] <IRCMonkey> there is but for some reason it won't work
[04:30] <gen> cool kensai
[04:30] <jdub> kensai: they moved to freebsd, not ubuntu.
[04:30] <FTTP> kensai:  IT is??
[04:30] <FTTP> AWESOME
[04:30] <gen> oh yea it does say freebsd
[04:30] <gen> and that ubuntu was the "contendor"
[04:30] <kensai> jdub, it says ubuntu now
[04:30] <jdub> kensai: they just tested the upgrade afterwards.
[04:31] <gen> " Last week we reported about the reasons behind the DistroWatch.com server move - from Debian to FreeBSD"
[04:31] <gen> first line
[04:31] <FTTP> kensai:  www.netcraft.com
[04:31] <FTTP> FreeBSD  Apache/2.0.50 (FreeBSD) PHP/5.0.2
[04:31] <FTTP> gen:  You were right
[04:31] <FTTP> netcraft doesnt lie
[04:32] <FTTP> unless they changed it after 11/15
[04:32] <FTTP> (possible)
[04:32] <kensai> Ohh ok just one of the servers is running ubuntu
[04:32] <FTTP> kensai which one ? :)
[04:33] <kensai> the old one
[04:33] <kensai> "After the site was safely on the new machine, we decided, out of curiosity, to upgrade the old Debian Woody installation to Ubuntu Warty"
[04:34] <FTTP> kensai:  Wow, so warty is becoming the replacement for servers for debian?
[04:34] <FTTP> Impressive
[04:34] <Seq> kensai: i read that as "now that we have a machine not doing anything at all, we decided to see if the conversion would break it"
[04:35] <jdub> FTTP: er, no.
[04:35] <kensai> Seq: yeah
[04:35] <jdub> FTTP: that was from the distrowatch article.
[04:35] <FTTP> jdub:  No i mean from customers
[04:35] <FTTP> some are using ubuntu over debian
[04:36] <kensai> I'm using both
[04:36] <kensai> One HDD with SID and one HDD with HOARY thats what I have for desktop
[04:37] <Seq> jdub: i have a question for you if you don't mind me asking. theres a few gnome devs on ubuntu, right? (you included if im correct). I figured if there was any distro to stick to a relatively default gnome configuration it would be this, but there are a few visible changes, most notably the menu arrangement
[04:37] <Seq> jdub: was this something that is being pushed for gnome as a whole, or just something to try out, or what?
[04:37] <FTTP> im waiting for hoary to be stable
[04:37] <FTTP> development iso needs work and isnt stable :P
[04:38] <FTTP> will wait further down the pike
[04:38] <kensai> FTTP, GNOME is what you should wait to be stable ;)
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> ok ubuntu folks...i've another question please
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to install a printer
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> which is attached to windows pc
[04:42] <Cloudchaser> the gui keeps crashing
[04:44] <Gmail> cool
[04:44] <Cloudchaser> ah good it seemed to work this time
[04:44] <kensai> Cloudchaser, it's a miracle! ;) how you got it?
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> well the gui crashed
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> but it kept the info i put in
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> the second time
[04:45] <farruinn> Cloudchaser, a *windows* pc - aren't you running ubuntu on it ;-)
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> tmorow i'll finish setitng up samba ;)
[04:45] <kensai> Cloudchaser, ohh I'll try tomorrow to communicate with a printer in a windows pc too
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> hehe not yet
[04:45] <Cloudchaser> use ip address until samba is set up
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> farruinn, i may set up file server on ubuntu
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> i have to play with it for a while first though
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> and i have some apps that won't run on linux
[04:46] <Cloudchaser> so...i put them on the desktop
[04:47] <farruinn> wait, so you're actually asking a windows question on this channel?
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> no
[04:47] <Gmail> err
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> it was a printing from ubuntu
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> question
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> but its working now
[04:47] <Cloudchaser> the ubuntu printer set up kept crashing
[04:48] <Gmail> don't use the add and remove program yet
[04:48] <Gmail> use it can crash gnome
[04:48] <Cloudchaser> oh i thought warty was stable ;)
[04:50] <Gmail> i am talking about in hoary
[04:50] <Cloudchaser> ah i don't have that
[04:51] <Gmail> hehe yay natulis is brocken
[04:51] <Gmail> and so is my spelling
[04:52] <kensai> I see Gmail your spelling is way broken ;)
[04:52] <Skif> Gmail: you should invest in a speling chexr
[04:52] <Gmail> and my menu is OOO
[04:52] <housetier> isnt "b0rken" the official spelling? ;)
[04:52] <Gmail> Skif: you make one for irssi
[04:52] <Gmail> lol
[04:53] <Gmail>  /exec man screen
[04:53] <Gmail> oops
[04:53] <Gmail> that is long
[04:54] <regeya> guh.  mention *one* windows program on ubuntu forums and have jdodson on yo' butt.  *sigh*
[04:55] <Gmail> ubuntu right now like how red hat was in version 1-4
[04:55] <PorscheBoy> anyone knows a good file-sharing app for linux?
[04:55] <Gmail> *warty
[04:55] <Gmail> hoary is like fedora
[04:55] <Gmail> in pop.
[04:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) um
[04:55] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) no, it's nothing like it
[04:55] <gen> night
[04:55] <Gmail> HrdwrBoB: in pop. it is
[04:56] <regeya> now see, that, right there, people jump all over someone when they advocate using a win32 program under wine, but filesharing, now, one is morally obligated to share copyrighted material!
[04:56] <PorscheBoy> regeya, don't say u don't share files with other people?
[04:57] <gen> porscheboy, not everyone is 10 years old
[04:57] <Gmail> resolvconf is the buggies cli tool i ever seen
[04:57] <PorscheBoy> c'mon, so what the heck do u do with linux?
[04:58] <PorscheBoy> just IRCing other people?
[04:58] <kensai> I'm really stuck with this bug. apt-get remove george bush isn't working ;)
[04:58] <gen> goto bed kensai
[04:58] <kensai> LOL right I'm falling asleep
[04:58] <regeya> well, now, did I say that? :-D  all I'm saying is that if someone asked for a good web browser and (this is hypothetical because it doesn't work well) if I were to say "install IE using Wine" people would be all over me.  I see very little righteous indignation over filesharing compared to Free Software zealots. :-D  Note that I prefer Free Software over alternatives and use Free everywhere I can.
[04:59] <nixboy> anyone using freenx ?
[04:59] <PorscheBoy> the fun part in using a computer is being able to play games and listen to music
[04:59] <visor> hey people, does somebody knows how to make a QT aplication look "decent" under gnome?, i mean, i run skype but it looks really bad and it opens a window to put the dock icon
[04:59] <gen> PorscheBoy, how are you seriously
[04:59] <kensai> regeya, If someone installs ie with wine. I don't know what kind of moron it should be
[04:59] <regeya> indeed.
[05:00] <gen> how are?
[05:00] <Gmail> regeya: you are a moron firefox is better than ie any day
[05:00] <gen> how old are you PorscheBoy
[05:00] <kensai> Gmail, calm down ;)
[05:00] <PorscheBoy> well, all u guys talk about is ubuntu, can u at least discuss something meaningful and interesting
[05:00] <PorscheBoy> especially u, gen
[05:00] <gen> go somewhere else porscheboy
[05:00] <Skif> PorscheBoy: dude, the channel is #ubuntu, that's kinda the point, eh
[05:00] <gen> and stop saying "u"
[05:01] <PorscheBoy> lol...u know i'm right
[05:01] <gen> you're an idiot
[05:01] <dle> I just noticed that warty has no /var/log/secure.  Is it created whe ncertain daemons are run (e.g. ftpd) or is it disabled no matter what?
[05:01] <Skif> #ubuntu-offtopic is <--- thataway
[05:01] <kensai> gen, calm down ;)
[05:01] <kensai> vah, I'm out to bed I don't know even what I'm talking here
[05:01] <PorscheBoy> k, i'm leaving so u greeks could discuss ur ubuntu bible
[05:02] <james> anyone know why I can't use the newest GAIM?  it says I don't have SSL, but I made sure to get the latest release...
[05:02] <Skif> gen, relax, there's no point in getting all het up about it
[05:02] <nixboy> anyone installed freenx lately. the directions on the forums are broken
[05:02] <gen> thank god.
[05:02] <dle> why are there no ops here?
[05:03] <james> can anyone help me?
[05:03] <james> please?
[05:03] <Skif> dle: dunno; in .us it's right before a holiday, but I don't know why people from .au aren't on yet
[05:03] <gen> there are dle
[05:04] <Seq> james: did you grab the release from gaim.sf.net?
[05:04] <james> sourceforge.gaim.net.
[05:04] <Gmail> ubuntu hoary universe is quite a bit outdated to debian
[05:05] <Gmail> james: wtf
[05:05] <dle> gen: Not as far as I can see in xchat. :)
[05:05] <Gmail> james: you mean gaim.sf.net
[05:05] <james> wtf?
[05:05] <james> yes.
[05:05] <Gmail> good
[05:05] <Seq> james: maybe this will help, otherwise just use the version that ubuntu does: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq-ssl.php#q3
[05:06] <james> been there.
[05:06] <james> I can't install the package b/c the dependencies are too old (the ubuntu ones predate the debian ones)
[05:06] <Seq> james: do you have a specific need to be running the newest gaim? It's just minor bugfixes if i recall
[05:07] <Gmail> james: warty or hoary
[05:07] <james> well, file transfers have been rediculously slow, and I havn't seen anything else that could be the cause.
[05:07] <james> warty.
[05:07] <Gmail> james: please don't use dpkg -i just use apt-get insatll gaim
[05:07] <Gmail> james: maybe backport it from hoary
[05:08] <james> backport?
[05:08] <james> sorry, I'm relatively new.
[05:08] <james> you mean change the repository??
[05:08] <james> or add one?
[05:09] <Gmail> james: heh
[05:09] <Gmail> isn't gaim 1.0.2 good enuff for you?
[05:10] <james> well, a friend of mine set up Gentoo on my desktop, from a stage 1 tarball, and I love the portage tree.
[05:10] <james> and I was hoping to keep stuff relatively up to date on my notebook.
[05:10] <james> but I'll probably change to that on my notebook soon anyways, I was just trying to figure some stuff out.
[05:10] <novaburst> in Synaptic ubuntu-desktop is broken, should I mark it for reinstallation? Things seem to be working fine.
[05:11] <robl_> Hi, guys. I'm just trying out ubuntu for the first time, and I have a couple quick questions. First, after selecting my language and country in the installer, it takes me to what seems to be a command prompt and doesn't do anything. No commands seem to work, though. Is this normal?
[05:11] <Gmail> no
[05:12] <robl_> According to the website, it should be "scanning my hardware", but as far as I can tell, it's waiting for input
[05:12] <james> I have another question as well, I have a root partition and a home partition, and the root is 20GB, and I want to shrink it to like 5GB.  is there some sort of util I can use to change my patition size while maintining data integrity?
[05:12] <Gmail> robl_: please do a md5sum check on the cd it seems corupted
[05:12] <robl_> md5sum?
[05:12] <Gmail> LOL
[05:13] <Gmail> you got windoze?
[05:13] <robl_> yes
[05:13] <Gmail> goto windoze
[05:13] <nixboy> where is freenx ... i ve been googling for a while and it looks like kalyxio does not have it anymore
[05:13] <Majestic|Linux> I'm a newbie too, and I wanted to know if I'm gonna dualboot ubuntu, does it have to be installed last?
[05:13] <robl_> in it now
[05:13] <james> Majestic:  I installed it second.
[05:13] <Gmail> on the cd there should be /dos
[05:13] <Cloudchaser> Majestic|Linux, windows always has to be installed first..it takes over
[05:14] <Gmail> and a read me in there read it
[05:14] <james> then just added it to the grub.conf
[05:14] <ChibiFS> Majectic- It works MUCH BETTER to install ubuntu last. Windows, if you're keeping it, should always be installed first
[05:14] <Gmail> it will tell you howto use md5sum.exe
[05:14] <Majestic|Linux> yes but on my linux box dual-boot 2 distros
[05:14] <Majestic|Linux> not windows
[05:14] <ChibiFS> Because it demands the ability to write to all of your partitions
[05:14] <robl_> alright, thank you
[05:14] <Majestic|Linux> here on my xp box i have xp and kanotix already , and i shouldnt of installed it because i should of used vmware or virtualpc instead
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> Majestic|Linux, linux can boot to any partition but i think windows has to be on the first partition
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> yes yes I aint trying to dual-boot with windows though
[05:15] <sub_pop> y0
[05:15] <james>  I have another question as well, I have a root partition and a home partition, and the root is 20GB, and I want to shrink it to like 5GB.  is there some sort of util I can use to change my patition size while maintining data integrity?
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> I already dual-boot Kanotix & XP no problem
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> Majestic|Linux, i misunderstood, i'm sorry
[05:15] <sub_pop> anyone know if there are "netapplet" debs for ubuntu warty?
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> I'm trying to dual-boot Ubuntu and MEPIS or Libranet
[05:15] <Majestic|Linux> its  ok ;)
[05:16] <Cloudchaser> i think it doesn't matter which linux goes first then
[05:18] <novaburst> i am having trouble with getting file-roller installed via Synaptic, it keeps encountering errors. Should I be doing it another way?
[05:18] <Majestic|Linux> thanks
[05:18] <Kirsch> novaburst: what error?
[05:19] <novaburst> Kirsch: copy: Input/output error
[05:19] <Majestic|Linux> I'm trying to dual-boot or triple-boot ubuntu, mepis and libranet and figure out which distro is best for me, which 1 i can customize to my likings gnome, kde, or whatever, which 1 i can do better on my celeron 634mhz 256sdram 20gb , which 1 i can learn faster, better with, which has better perfomance, speed, realibility and stuff like that
[05:20] <novaburst> Kirsch: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste returned error exit status 2
[05:20] <Kirsch> novaburst: weird...
[05:20] <james> can anyone help me with resizing a partition?
[05:22] <jsiegel> Keyboard problem - scroll lock/num lock button on my Presario laptop is non-functional in X, although it works on the console. Any suggestions?
[05:22] <Kirsch> jsiegel: check x config? maybe u have the wrong keyboard installed
[05:22] <james> can anyone help me with resizing a partition?  I need the space..
[05:22] <Kirsch> novaburst: sorry, can't elp...
[05:22] <novaburst> Kirsch: np, thanks, I'll play with it some more
[05:23] <Kirsch> novaburst: might wanna see if synaptic will install any packages.
[05:23] <jsiegel> It's installed as a standard "pc104" keyboard.
[05:24] <Kirsch> jsiegel: can u paste the InputDevice setion on pastebin?
[05:25] <james> can anyone help me with resizing a partition?  can anyone help me?!
[05:25] <nixboy> anyone know whatever happened to the freenx pkg located at kalyxio ?
[05:25] <Gmail> Kirsch: AOL!?!?!?!
[05:25] <Gmail> wb dewey
[05:26] <siimo> can i use hibernate?
[05:26] <nixboy> i tried installing from the kanotix rep to no avail either.
[05:26] <Kirsch> ?
[05:26] <Kirsch> Gmail: What?
[05:26] <dewey> Gmail: well my upgrade to hoary did not work I am here now on my mdk 10.2 install :)
[05:26] <nixboy> anyone can help with installing freenx on ubuntu warty ?
[05:26] <jsiegel> Pastebin? What?
[05:27] <Kirsch> jsiegel: www.pastebin.com its  a site that just holds info, so u can post ur config somewhere
[05:27] <dewey> with my hoary upgrade my X server would not work.
[05:27] <dewey> so is there something I can do to get X server to work from command line?
[05:30] <nevyn> lots of things.
[05:32] <dewey> like what?
[05:33] <eruin> anyone here built rhythmbox 0.9 debs?
[05:33] <nevyn> edit the config type xinit...
[05:34] <FTTP> new debian installer fixes the modprobe problems :)
[05:34] <FTTP> did ubuntu upstream it yet?
[05:34] <nevyn> is hoary closed?
[05:34] <gen> closed?
[05:35] <Qo-noS> Does not Ubuntu has a 6 monthly i.e. half-yearly release cycle? so how can Hoary be closed when warty was released but 2 months ago?
[05:35] <jdz_> Qo-noS: correct
[05:36] <Qo-noS> ;-)
[05:37] <fester420> is there winamp for linux
[05:37] <FTTP> qo-nos:  Im wondering if they upstreamed the new installer :)
[05:37] <gen> fester420: xmms
[05:37] <fester420> i use xmms
[05:37] <gen> so stick with it
[05:38] <Rob|Linux> I just installed ubuntu, I have to run apt-get update again?
[05:38] <Gmail> dewey: lol
[05:39] <dewey> Gmail: :)
[05:39] <Gmail> dewey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:40] <Gmail> or
[05:40] <Qo-noS> dewey: I hope you realized that hoary like debian unstable/Experimental is for the brave and beta testers essentially. Unless you are one with the tenacity and skills and willingness to get your hands dirty...stick to Warty or Woody/Sarge (i.e. latter will be the next Stable by ~ Jan 2005). Tracking unstable branches like Hoary or Unstable/Experimental (on Debian) is NOT advised unless you possessed the above qualities and is acquianted
[05:40] <Qo-noS>  with the philosophy of "I get to keep the borken pieces if it breaks.
[05:40] <Gmail> dewey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree
[05:40] <Rob|Linux> when I updated to hoary everything screwed up =\ i couldnt even get into x ,  it said a problem with x server
[05:40] <Qo-noS> FTTP: I supposed it'll come soon given the close relationship between Ubuntu and Debian ;-0
[05:40] <Rob|Linux> i'll just stay with warty then
[05:40] <nevyn> Qo-noS: that's a bold prediction.. sarge by jan 05...
[05:40] <Gmail> i had no problems
[05:40] <Gmail> i just resetted x and it worked
[05:41] <Gmail> i did it with in 6hr for when it was avilble
[05:41] <Qo-noS> nevyn: from the horsemouth's himself -> tbm aka Martin Michlmayr the DPL's mouth
[05:41] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) Gmail: wow I'm impressed
[05:52] <dewey> Qo-noS: I am a beta tester for Mandrake 10.2 :)
[05:53] <dewey> I will brb in ubuntu I hope
[05:53] <Rob|Linux> who here uses another look than GNome on ubuntu?
[05:54] <GotD0t> i dont use the default gnome
[05:54] <GotD0t> if thats what you're asking
[05:54] <Rob|Linux> yea thats what im asking
[05:54] <Qo-noS> dewey: between distros enough diffs exist to make a switch an experience like migrating between OSes can be. The diff tools, flags used, requirements packaging wise, etc
[05:54] <GotD0t> i use gnome... just not the default skin
[05:54] <Rob|Linux> gnome gets slow after a while on slow systems
[05:54] <Rob|Linux> how can I change it
[05:55] <GotD0t> are you sure its gnome
[05:55] <Rob|Linux> me yes
[05:55] <Rob|Linux> its the default
[05:55] <GotD0t> no
[05:55] <GotD0t> i mean are you sure its gnome thats making it slow
[05:56] <Rob|Linux> well my friend said i might have a lot of process or something
[05:56] <Rob|Linux> yea its ubuntu or gnome, because i used gnome with libranet and it was faster but its not that slow, its just that my celeron 634mhz 256mb isnt the fastest thing of course
[05:57] <GotD0t> go into a term and type top
[05:57] <GotD0t> tell me what it says for the first 5 lines
[05:57] <BrittMan914> hey is there a easy way to get my WPC54G to work
[05:57] <GotD0t> what is that brittman914
[05:57] <BrittMan914> ...
[05:57] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) BrittMan914: I don't think so, but there is a hard way
[05:58] <BrittMan914> Wireless PC card
[05:58] <BrittMan914> is it worth it
[05:58] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes
[05:58] <GotD0t> sorry... wouldnt know
[05:58] <BrittMan914> or shoudl i just buy a 11MBit card
[05:58] <Rob|Linux> it says
[05:58] <BrittMan914> well I kinda know what I am doing
[05:58] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) BrittMan914: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.3532963119/view?searchterm=WPC54G
[05:58] <Rob|Linux> you mean for PID 1, 2,3, 4, 5 ?
[05:58] <Rob|Linux> they keep changing
[05:59] <GotD0t> no
[05:59] <GotD0t> the very first 5 lines
[05:59] <Rob|Linux> on the top
[05:59] <GotD0t> yea
[05:59] <GotD0t> first words on them should be top, Tasks, Cpu(s), Mem, Swap
[06:00] <BrittMan914> been there
[06:00] <BrittMan914> it doesnt work
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> top - 23:59:58 up 58 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.30, 0.32, 0.33
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Tasks:  69 total,   1 running,  68 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Cpu(s): 25.2% us,  3.7% sy,  0.0% ni, 70.8% id,  0.3% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Mem:    256052k total,   252260k used,     3792k free,    12556k buffers
[06:00] <Rob|Linux> Swap:   500432k total,      144k used,   500288k free,   122860k cached
[06:00] <BrittMan914> for me
[06:00] <BrittMan914> it will expand
[06:00] <BrittMan914> not comile
[06:00] <BrittMan914> compile at all
[06:00] <BrittMan914> i need to point it to my kernel source dir
[06:00] <BrittMan914> where is that
[06:00] <BrittMan914> on Ubuntu
[06:01] <BrittMan914> confused
[06:01] <GotD0t> Rob|Linux that looks good
[06:02] <Rob|Linux> lol
[06:02] <GotD0t> Rob|Linux after how long does it start slowing down
[06:02] <GotD0t> because i notice its only been up for bout an hour
[06:02] <BrittMan914> arghh
[06:02] <Rob|Linux> after 2-3hrs
[06:02] <BrittMan914> well night fellas
[06:02] <Rob|Linux> when im running gaim, xchat, and mozilla
[06:02] <BrittMan914> i'll try tomorrow
[06:03] <GotD0t> and when you close them it doesnt get any faster?
[06:03] <Rob|Linux> yea it does
[06:04] <GotD0t> then obviously what you're doing is too taxing for the machine
[06:04] <gen> grab another 256 stick rob
[06:04] <GotD0t> yea
[06:05] <Rob|Linux> lol
[06:05] <GotD0t> if it clears up after closing app's then its no a lost process or anything
[06:05] <Rob|Linux> it hasnt happeend with other distros :-p
[06:05] <GotD0t> not*
[06:05] <GotD0t> use a less taxing GUI...
[06:06] <GotD0t> swtich from gnome to some of ones made specifically for older machines
[06:06] <Rob|Linux> I like Ubuntu thats why I got it to use its default, but of course I want to try others to see how it works
[06:06] <gen> xfce, blackbox, fluxbox, etc
[06:06] <Rob|Linux> i just apt-get install <...>
[06:06] <Rob|Linux> right
[06:06] <gen> yep
[06:06] <GotD0t> just try those
[06:07] <gen> i think you'd like fluxbox rob
[06:07] <Rob|Linux> being anewbie? hehe
[06:07] <Rob|Linux> i gotta change my sources because noen of those apt-get are working
[06:08] <gen> you have universe right
[06:08] <GotD0t> do an apt-cache search for those
[06:08] <Rob|Linux> yea
[06:08] <Rob|Linux> i can go to synaptic and change it there, or i have to edit through the console?
[06:08] <GotD0t> because im sure its not only just listed as xfce or blackbox
[06:08] <GotD0t> either way you feel comfortable doing is fine
[06:09] <gen> actually they are gotd0t :)
[06:09] <Rob|Linux> you guys are on hoary or warty
[06:09] <GotD0t> really?
[06:09] <gen> yes, and rob im on hoary
[06:10] <GotD0t> im using warty and im seeing them
[06:10] <GotD0t> so just enable universe
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> how is it ? i tried it earlier and it didnt work i couldnt get inside X anymore, therewas a x server prob..
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> its on default and i cant get nothing
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> i think i gotta change it to multiverse
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> i did it earlier and it worked
[06:10] <gen> not change, but add
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> while i was also changin everything to hoary
[06:10] <Rob|Linux> well yea in this case universe multiverse instead of just universe
[06:11] <Rob|Linux>  a root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install kde
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> is only available from another source
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> E: Package kde has no installation candidate
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install xfce4
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get install xfce
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Reading Package Lists... Done
[06:11] <Rob|Linux> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[06:12] <Rob|Linux> E: Couldn't find package xfce
[06:12] <gen> insert your sources.list to pastebin or #flood for me
[06:12] <eruin> here's a new command for you
[06:12] <eruin> apt-cache SEARCH
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> i added multiverse next to universe and still
[06:13] <GotD0t> with a space?
[06:13] <gen> wow rob
[06:13] <eruin> xfce4 is in universe
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> i cant get it either
[06:13] <gen> what do you mean
[06:13] <gen> it should be a seperate line
[06:13] <Rob|Linux> apt-get install xfce4
[06:14] <suchit> Need to install Sendmail as a Relay Host on Ubuntu. Cant Get to Package via Aptitude. Suggestions please ?
[06:14] <eruin> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:14] <eruin> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe multiverse
[06:14] <eruin> use those two
[06:15] <gen> and make sure to "sudo apt-get update"
[06:15] <gen> after you save
[06:15] <gen> then do apt-get install <whatever>
[06:16] <Rob|Linux> eruin, i did add multiverse already
[06:16] <gen> rob you don't listen well
[06:16] <eruin> well then do what gen said
[06:16] <suchit> Thanks
[06:17] <volvoguy> hey everybody. where's the first place you'd check if you just discovered that your previously very empty hard drive suddenly reports as 100% full? :-\
[06:17] <nevyn> ~/.xsession-errors
[06:17] <eruin> I'd rm -rf /tmp/* ;>
[06:18] <Rob|Linux> i listen well enough, i dont apt-get a few times already with other distros, and its always aprob here with ubuntu
[06:18] <Rob|Linux> i did what gen said too
[06:18] <eruin> and "apt-cache search xfce" doesn't return anything?
[06:18] <volvoguy> thanks eruin. i wanted to make sure that was safe before i did it. :-)
[06:18] <eruin> volvoguy: I'm not saying it's safe ;)
[06:18] <nevyn> volvoguy: it'll probably trash stuff X cares about.
[06:18] <nevyn> try
[06:19] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-cache search xfce
[06:19] <Rob|Linux> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob #
[06:19] <nevyn> ~/.xsession-errors first
[06:19] <nevyn> volvoguy: and du -s * and find the big one.
[06:20] <volvoguy> there's no X on this box. ooh. good idea nevyn. i'll try that too!
[06:20] <eruin> oh sheeesh
[06:20] <eruin> 0620am
[06:20] <gen> rob
[06:21] <gen> paste your sources.list to #flodd or to pastebin
[06:21] <gen> flood*
[06:22] <Rob|Linux> #flood, done
[06:28] <suchit> hey gill are you in here?
[06:30] <Rob|Linux> who has the page where shows you how to go hoary?
[06:31] <volvoguy> one sec Rob. i think i know where it is.
[06:33] <tyrano> *sigh*
[06:33] <tyrano> i keep fucking up ubuntu, 4th reinstall and counting :|
[06:33] <gen> thats sad
[06:33] <gen> what's happening?
[06:33] <tyrano> kernel panic
[06:34] <tyrano> need this patch to get acpi working correctly for my laptop but i keep screwing up the kernel compiliation
[06:34] <tyrano> :/
[06:34] <tyrano> i dunno, im new and its a lot to take in :|
[06:35] <volvoguy> Rob: i can't find the page i was thinking of. it's pretty simple though - just change all instances of "warty" to "hoary" in your sources.list (or with synaptic). there's a couple extra notes here too - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:35] <tyrano> i got the patch to work once, but when i rebooted it was no longer there
[06:36] <mdz> volvoguy: GuideToHoary I think
[06:37] <volvoguy> can anyone verify what is or isn't safe to blow away in /tmp? apparently i AM really low on space. doh!
[06:37] <seek187> tyrano, what's wrong with your laptop?
[06:38] <volvoguy> mdz: thanks matt. that's the one. the full URL is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[06:38] <Rob|Linux> Thanks volvo
[06:38] <siimo> hi how do i unlock the root account ?
[06:38] <Rob|Linux> gen is helping me :)
[06:39] <tyrano> seek187, its a known issue for the acpi with the asus, the battery status isnt read correctly. supposedly this patch can make it be read correctly but ive only had it work once http://m6n.ath.cx/aml_method_exec_hack.patch
[06:39] <mdz> volvoguy: depends entirely on what programs are running
[06:39] <tyrano> do you think the ubuntu developers would put it in? :)
[06:39] <tyrano> i think you can do the patch or something with something called "DSDT tables"
[06:40] <seek187> tyrano, oh I see... I had a problem with my laptop not shutting down and I forced acpi but that probably wouldn't help
[06:40] <volvoguy> mdz: does /tmp get cleaned up during a reboot ?
[06:40] <mdz> volvoguy: yes
[06:40] <mdz> tyrano: is this the patch you mean?  https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3379
[06:40] <tyrano> well my cpu throttling doesnt work correctly either so i assume its an acpi problem
[06:40] <mdz> siimo: answered in the FAQ
[06:41] <volvoguy> mdz: excellent. i may be gone a few minutes. :-) did you get my email yet matt?
[06:41] <mdz> volvoguy: I just returned from a week-long holiday, I have _lots_ of email :-)
[06:41] <tyrano> i hadn't heard opf that seek
[06:41] <siimo> mdz, yes i understand all that but i still want root
[06:41] <volvoguy> mdz: welcome back! no problem. nothing critical. take your time. :-) i'll be back in a little while.
[06:42] <mdz> siimo: when I say it is answered in the FAQ, I mean that you will find the answer to your question by reading the FAQ
[06:42] <mdz> siimo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[06:43] <siimo> mdz, that does not say anything about enabling root account
[06:43] <mdz> siimo: yes it does
[06:43] <mdz> "Note that the root account does not have a password at all after the initial install. You can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root."
[06:44] <siimo> mdz, it only talks about setting a root password which doesnt necessarily mean the account will be enabled as it does not say that anywhere
[06:44] (lamont/#ubuntu) mill: still around?
[06:45] <siimo> if thats how you enable a root account then that faq should be fixed
[06:46] <mdz> it's tiring to improve the FAQ when folks don't read it before asking :-/
[06:46] <siimo> well you tell me then would you understand that? if you were a new user?
[06:46] <mdz> siimo: perhaps you can suggest an alternative wording which would have made it more obvious
[06:46] <siimo> and i did read the faq
[06:47] <siimo> mdz, all im saying is - it should say somewhere that "by setting the root password the root account is enabled" ?
[06:49] <mdz> siimo: better now?
[06:49] <echodots> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a dell inspiron 2500 laptop. I've set the bios to read the cdrom first and made sure the cd would boot by putting it in my desktop but the laptop doesn't recognize it during start up... could someone tell me another way of getting this cd to load during start up?
[06:50] <siimo> yes.. but still so if root account doesnt have password it cant be used? i didnt know that
[06:51] <echodots> :) anybody?
[06:51] <tyrano> hmm
[06:51] <siimo> echodots, have you got your cdrom as the first boot device before it goes to HDD?
[06:52] <tyrano> maybe its a bad burn ;O
[06:57] <echodots> it won't go up, I've tried everything to make the priorities change. the cd is fine, it loaded up when i put it on my desktop
[06:57] <tyrano> do you have windows on your laptop?
[06:57] <echodots> I went to dell and updated the bios... of course they didn't have an update but I downloaded the one they were offering and installed it anyway. let me go back and see if I can change the priority since I updated the bios.
[06:57] <echodots> tyrano: xp home edition
[06:57] <echodots> brb
[06:57] <tyrano> i was thinking maybe try and see if you can read the cd in windows on your laptop
[07:03] <gson> someone that knows if there is a bind to switch desktops?
[07:05] <mojo> can someone help me on compiling RealPlayer 10 (src)?
[07:05] <gson> wake up!
[07:05] <mojo> the bin version of RealPLayer not run with me, can someone pls check?
[07:05] <bur[n] er> realplayer?  bleh
[07:05] <gson> ye..
[07:05] <gson> gxine:)
[07:06] <gson> yupp
[07:06] <bur[n] er> wish i knew anything about realplayer... i'd help
[07:06] <gson> bur[n] er,  do you know if there is a bind to switch desktops?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> but i try to stay away from it
[07:06] <bur[n] er> gson: ctrl+alt left/right ?
[07:06] <bur[n] er> maybe i did that myself though
[07:06] <gson> lol nice:)
[07:06] <gson> nah it works
[07:06] <gson> tnx man
[07:06] <bur[n] er> cool
[07:06] <bur[n] er> sure
[07:07] <bur[n] er> wish scroll-wheeling would work for that though
[07:07] <bur[n] er> on that note... bedtime
[07:07] <bur[n] er> peace
[07:07] <gson> heh cu
[07:07] <gson> one more thing...do you know where to find bittorent?
[07:08] <EricNeon> hello all
[07:08] <gson> elo eric:)
[07:09] <EricNeon> Im set my fonts in gentoo
[07:09] <gson> oi, where can i find nice themes?
[07:10] <seek187> art.gnome.org
[07:10] <gson> heh tnx
[07:10] <EricNeon> hoho
[07:10] <EricNeon> www.gnome-look.org
[07:10] <seek187> or http://themes.freshmeat.net/
[07:10] <mojo> burner: does RealPlayer run with ur Ubuntu Hoary?
[07:11] <echodots> welp, it let me move it up over the hdd's but when i restarted it, it didn't start the install.
[07:14] <echodots> i remember a while back, i installed debian on my other laptop. I took some files off the cd and put them on a floppy and then loaded the floppy on install, it redirected the files to the cd and the cd started working... no one, by any chance, would happens to know which files they were does anyone?
[07:14] <mojo> Can someone PLEASE confirm wether RealPlayer 10 GOLD run on Ubuntu Hoary? PLEASE..
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> give me a min
[07:14] <seek187> ill try
[07:14] <tyrano> my fan never kicks in, im worried :/
[07:15] <gson> heh tyrano:)
[07:16] <gson> ive got a minor problem, iam new at this and i want to use another theme:)
[07:16] <tyrano> its no good :/
[07:17] <mojo> The result of running RealPlayer GOLD on Hoary ??? plese..
[07:19] <seek187> mojo, hmmm I can't get it to start
[07:19] <mojo> same here
[07:19] <mojo> it' just stuneed
[07:19] <mojo> rite?
[07:19] <seek187> realplay just sits there and does nothing
[07:19] <mojo> I think Hoary has prob with RealPLayer
[07:20] <mojo> yeah
[07:20] <mojo> but Helix does run with Hoary
[07:20] <mojo> weird
[07:21] <echodots> i really want to install ubuntu on my laptop
[07:21] <echodots> :(
[07:24] <tyrano> :|
[07:25] <Gmail> hehe my old retarted friend want to install ubuntu over his whole schools network (of 506 computers)
[07:25] <gen> did you just say retarted?
[07:25] <fabbione> and why that should be "retarded"?
[07:25] <gen> apparently you are retarded for not being able to spell it :)
[07:25] <echodots> LOL
[07:25] <gen> hurrr
[07:26] <echodots> i wasn't going to say anything
[07:26] <Gmail> and my spelling is b0rken
[07:26] <echodots> obviously
[07:26] <echodots> but we love you anyway :|
[07:27] <tyrano> is there an rc.modules or rc.local in ubuntu where i can add a module to be loaded on boot
[07:30] <melazyboy> Ok im having a problem -- for some reason the default install + online updates, did not install smbmount, i moved to the horay repos updated and upgraded and still do not have smbmount... anyone know whats happening? and why i don't have it, and/or what package would contain it
[07:31] <seek187> melazyboy, smbfs?
[07:32] <melazyboy> smbmount is the samba-client utility that allows you to mount a remote share -- i have the option to mount a share using a gnome gui -- but i need to know how to do it only using console, in the past i have always utility called smbmount, which is part of the samba suite
[07:33] <echodots> lol... i guess 'whereis' doesn't work on xp :P
[07:33] <seek187> lol
[07:34] <bborkk> Anyone had any luck with ACPI working with the fglrx ATI driver?
[07:35] <melazyboy> does anyone else lack the smbmount utility, it would be something worth mentioning to the ubuntu devels if others are missing it too -- what i read from an faq online is that to get it you must ./configure --with-smbmount, i dont really care to compile unless i have to though
[07:35] <bborkk> I've heard from others that switching to APM is the only solution that's worked.
[07:36] <duncanm> hola
[07:36] <duncanm> what do i run to config X?
[07:36] <duncanm> i installed ubuntu on a Dell Dimension
[07:36] <duncanm> and surprisingly, X doesn't work ;-(
[07:37] <Watje> Hi, in fedora it was possible to make a ~/bin/ dir but here it doesn't work, can anyone help me with it?
[07:37] <bborkk> duncanm: Is this one of those Media Centers?
[07:37] <bborkk> Watje: What do you want the ~/bin/ directory to do?
[07:38] <echodots> am i going crazy or is there really no boot.img, cd-driver.img and root.img on the ubuntu cd?
[07:38] <Watje> uhm i want to put scripts in it
[07:38] <melazyboy> mkdir ~/bin
[07:38] <Watje> so i don't need to write the full location
[07:38] <Watje> yes i already did
[07:38] <melazyboy> and you want it to link to ~/bin
[07:38] <melazyboy> ld ~/bin /bin -s
[07:38] <Watje> k
[07:38] <Watje> thnx
[07:39] <echodots> oh nvm, they're on the net... silly me
[07:39] <duncanm> bborkk: no, it's a cheap-o dimension 3000
[07:39] <duncanm> bborkk: but it has the integrated intel graphics thing
[07:39] <melazyboy> err Watje try ln rather not ld
[07:40] <bborkk> duncanm: What integrated graphics thing?
[07:40] <duncanm> Video Card	Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2
[07:40] <bborkk> hm.
[07:41] <duncanm> i have a feeling it's not running xorg
[07:41] <duncanm> it's like XFree86 4.3.99
[07:41] <duncanm> which i guess could be a variant of Xorg
[07:42] <Agrajag> no, xfree86 is xfree86
[07:42] <duncanm> hrm
[07:42] <bborkk> duncanm: Which release did you install?
[07:42] <duncanm> my friend gave me this CD, and i just popped it in
[07:42] <duncanm> i don't even know
[07:42] <bborkk> Warty uses xfree86, Hoary uses Xorg.
[07:42] <duncanm> yeah
[07:42] <duncanm> it's Warty
[07:42] <duncanm> is that no good?
[07:42] <duncanm> is that old?
[07:43] <bborkk> People die every day because of friends like that.
[07:43] <duncanm> ah
[07:43] <duncanm> how big a download is to upgrade to Hoary?
[07:43] <bborkk> Warty is the current stable release.
[07:43] <duncanm> oh
[07:43] <bborkk> Hoary is the development branch for the next release.
[07:43] <tyrano> hoary uses xorg right?
[07:44] <fabbione> duncanm: the upgrade is pretty big
[07:44] <bborkk> Yes.
[07:44] <tyrano> cool, maybe 3ddesktop will work with that o_O
[07:44] <fabbione> duncanm: can you put /var/log/XFree86.0.log somewhere i can look at it?
[07:44] <duncanm> fabbione: is it worth it?
[07:44] <duncanm> fabbione: lemme try
[07:45] <fabbione> duncanm: integrated gfx cards are buggy in hw and need some workaround to work properly
[07:46] <duncanm> http://a-chinaman.com/stuff/XFree86.0.log
[07:46] <duncanm> fabbione: there you go
[07:46] <fabbione> ok hold on a sec
[07:46] <echodots> ok, i figured out a way to install them on my laptop... download boot.img, root.img, and cd-driver.img from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer
[07:47] <echodots> then put them on three different cds and stick them in the floppy drive and reboot
[07:47] <fabbione> duncanm: can you kindly put also /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ?
[07:47] <echodots> take care
[07:49] <tyrano> upgrade to hoary you change sources and then apt-get dist-upgrade yah?
[07:50] <tyrano> :|
[07:51] <fabbione> duncanm: can you put up the config file please?
[07:52] <duncanm> http://a-chinaman.com/stuff/XF86Config-4
[07:52] <duncanm> wow
[07:52] <fabbione> duncanm: ok. now you need to do 2/3 things.
[07:53] <duncanm> fabbione: surprisngly, it guessed most of those things right
[07:53] <fabbione> duncanm: the first one is to go in the BIOS and see how much memory has been reserved for the video card.
[07:53] <fabbione> duncanm: i am not.. since i wrote most of the detection code :P
[07:53] <duncanm> ah!
[07:54] <duncanm> fabbione: i have given up spending time to take care of these things now ;-)
[07:54] <fabbione> duncanm: these integrated devices basically use system ram to simulate video ram
[07:54] <duncanm> ah
[07:54] <duncanm> i think apt-get upgrade installed a new kernel too
[07:54] <fabbione> so the first step is to check the BIOS setting
[07:54] <duncanm> sure
[07:54] <duncanm> lemme go do that
[07:54] <fabbione> ok
[07:54] <gson> what kind of themes is it that i need to dl for ubuntu?:)
[07:54] <gson> 2.x?
[07:55] <fabbione> duncanm: i will be back in a few minutes
[07:56] <duncanm> fabbione: says Onboard video memory is 1MB
[07:59] <tyrano> hoary upgrade will take forever
[07:59] <tyrano> ;[
[08:03] <fabbione> duncanm: you need to higher that value to something like 16Mb
[08:03] <fabbione> duncanm: the BIOS should allow you to do so
[08:03] <duncanm> i made it say 8MB
[08:03] <duncanm> i dunno if there's 16
[08:03] <dewey> hello I can not fix x server in hoary?
[08:03] <fabbione> duncanm: 8Mb can probably do too
[08:04] <duncanm> that's it
[08:04] <duncanm> 1MB or 8MB
[08:04] <fabbione> ok leave 8Mb
[08:04] <fabbione> now boot the machine
[08:04] <fabbione> X still won't start
[08:04] <duncanm> fabbione: kinda lame, heh? ;-)
[08:04] <duncanm> fabbione: but then again, $600 from dell
[08:04] <fabbione> duncanm: nahh these video gfx are a pain
[08:05] <fabbione> duncanm: tell me when you are the login prompt
[08:05] <duncanm> ah
[08:05] <duncanm> X shows up!
[08:06] <duncanm> in the nice yellow background!
[08:06] <fabbione> in the correct resolution?
[08:06] <duncanm> i think so
[08:06] <fabbione> i suggest to do something more
[08:06] <fabbione> crtl+alt+f1
[08:06] <fabbione> and go to the console
[08:06] <duncanm> not too shabby
[08:06] <fabbione> login and do:
[08:06] <duncanm> fabbione: and?
[08:06] <fabbione> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:07] <fabbione> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:07] <fabbione> are you running warty right?
[08:08] <duncanm> oui
[08:08] <fabbione> ok
[08:08] <fabbione> now.. you will see a bunch of questions
[08:08] <fabbione> most of them you can just hit enter
[08:08] <fabbione> there is one in which it asks for the amount of RAM in the video card
[08:08] <fabbione> in kB
[08:08] <fabbione> put 8192
[08:09] <fabbione> (8Mb)
[08:09] <fabbione> and you should be able to still hit enter until it finishes
[08:09] <fabbione> and put the new configuration up to the web (with another name)
[08:09] <duncanm> should i use FB?
[08:09] <fabbione> no
[08:10] <lothario> is ubuntu still the pre-release distro?
[08:10] <fabbione> the default should be "no" at least
[08:10] <fabbione> lothario: ubuntu is the distribution. Warty is the stable release, hoary is the unstable one
[08:10] <duncanm> okay
[08:10] <melazyboy> when you apt-get the kernel source tree package, shoulden't it link /usr/sources/linux to that local?
[08:11] <lothario> I'm downloading the Warty right now. Can I install it?
[08:11] <duncanm> fabbione: and now you want the new XF86Config-4?
[08:11] <fabbione> duncanm: yes please, but use another name, so i can compare them
[08:11] <tyrano> you have to link it yourself melazyboy
[08:11] <melazyboy> oh shit n/m its src not sources
[08:14] <duncanm> oh
[08:14] <duncanm> fabbione: oops
[08:14] <duncanm> do you still have the old one?
[08:14] <fabbione> duncanm: yes...
[08:14] <duncanm> fabbione: i uploaded it to the same name
[08:14] <duncanm> so save your current copy
[08:15] <fabbione> duncanm: it looks ok.. other than you added another option too to the keyboard
[08:16] <fabbione> duncanm: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[08:18] <gson> what kind of theme does ubuntu use? GTK 2.x ?
[08:18] <Gmail> heh
[08:18] <gson> :)
[08:18] <gson> <--the noob
[08:19] <nevyn> gson: yeah gtk2.0 and gnome 2.8
[08:19] <fabbione> duncanm: does it look ok now?
[08:19] <Agrajag> more like gtk2.4
[08:19] <gson> an thnx
[08:19] <nevyn> Agrajag: ok gtk2.4 but point is. not gtk 1 ;)
[08:19] <Gmail> more like gtk2.5
[08:20] <Gmail> in hoary
[08:20] <birme> will multisync be supported in ubuntu?
[08:22] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) multisync monitors?
[08:23] <Gmail> KneelBeforeXorg: no i will not
[08:23] <nevyn> no the software for pda's
[08:23] <gson> bah cant find any good themes
[08:23] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) Gmail: then FACE THE WRATH OF KRYPTON!
[08:23] <s0cks> Gmail : Die.
[08:24] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) You sure showed him.
[08:24] <Gmail> r0b0rt i never knew that you l0ved me
[08:24] <melazyboy> I don't have a gmail account yet =[
[08:24] <gen> gmail is trendy
[08:25] <melazyboy> yar =/
[08:25] <melazyboy> im out of the loop
[08:25] <gen> thats the way to be
[08:25] <nevyn> gmail is a privacy nightmare.
[08:25] <melazyboy> =/
[08:25] <gen> gmail is a nightmare alltogether
[08:25] <birme> if there is a need for the multisync to be included in ubuntu, I could help... I initiated the debian support, now maintained by an debian developer
[08:25] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) birme: multisync monitors?
[08:25] <birme> in other words, I did the first debs
[08:25] <birme> KneelBeforeXorg: no, sync with PDAs and phones
[08:25] <nevyn> birme: do you know about  synce support for multisync?
[08:25] <gen> kneel, you don't read well
[08:26] (KneelBeforeXorg/#ubuntu) birme: telephonic affection, eh
[08:26] <melazyboy> nevyn... right because scripts reading through email is a new thing, there are probably 100 nodes that are reading what you do with some stupid tethereal prog and spewing out your whole life to the evil empire of gatorsoft
[08:26] <Gmail> birme: already does
[08:26] <Gmail> its in universe
[08:26] <birme> Gmail: ok
[08:26] <birme> multisync.sf.net
[08:26] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I can get you an invitation to Gmail if you want :-)
[08:27] <Gmail> king_arthur: can i have one
[08:27] <gen> losers
[08:27] <Gmail> king_arthur: i need another one
[08:27] <nevyn> melazyboy: let's not be rediculous... but. I wouldn't be using gmail for private communications is all I'm saying and that includes commercially sensitive stuf
[08:28] <melazyboy> king_arthur: sure i would appreciate that, don't bother if it takes you too much time
[08:29] <Mountainman> hey im lookin for some help on install of ubuntu
[08:29] <Mountainman> i ran the install like normal
[08:29] <Mountainman> and it installed the GRUB boot loader
[08:29] <Mountainman> but on reboot to finish install GRUB wouldnt load ubuntu
[08:30] <Mountainman> any ideas?
[08:30] <birme> Mountainman: do you get any error message?
[08:31] <Mountainman> nope
[08:31] <Mountainman> it just says please wait
[08:31] <Mountainman> and never continues
[08:32] <duncanm> fabbione: yeah, it works fine now
[08:34] <duncanm> ciao
[08:37] <jysse> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() and I have extension=mysql.so uncommented What's wrong ?
[08:37] <duncanm> oh
[08:37] <duncanm> one more question,
[08:37] <duncanm> i tried to install dvdrip, i think the debian resource it points to assumes 'traditional' debian
[08:37] <duncanm> and the pkg dependencies didn't pan out
[08:38] <nevyn> duncanm: they won't.
[08:38] <fabbione> duncanm: yes. you need to add multiverse to the repo list in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:38] <duncanm> ah
[08:38] <duncanm> i have universe
[08:38] <fabbione> there is also "multiverse"
[08:38] <nevyn> even then you'll probably need marilat for libdecss
[08:38] <duncanm> nevyn: that's where i'm pointing it to
[08:39] <duncanm> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main and all
[08:40] <fabbione> duncanm: probably s/stable/unstable
[08:40] <fabbione> is a better idea
[08:40] <duncanm> fabbione: i have all three
[08:40] <fabbione> nah
[08:40] <fabbione> leave only unstable
[08:40] <duncanm> oh
[08:40] <melazyboy> Is mrproper needed w/ 2.6.x?
[08:40] <fabbione> there might be problems if you do it differently
[08:41] <nevyn> mrproper shouldn't ever be needed if you're not hacking the kernel
[08:41] <duncanm> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:41] <duncanm>   transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:0.7.38.20030710-1.2) but it is not installable
[08:41] <duncanm>              Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 (>= 1.701.0) but it is not installable
[08:41] <duncanm>              Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.7) but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[08:41] <duncanm>              Depends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed
[08:41] <duncanm> eek
[08:42] <melazyboy> and does make clean only delete logs or does it delete the .config too?
[08:42] <duncanm> i have restricted, universe, multiverse, warty-security main restricted and
[08:42] <duncanm> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[08:42] <duncanm> nevyn: is there a way to resolve this dependency?
[08:43] <nevyn> duncanm: :(
[08:44] <duncanm> nevyn: so no go?
[08:45] <duncanm> i thought i'd install debian because it'll be the easiest
[08:52] <duncanm> nevyn: so it's hopeless? ;-/
[08:52] <duncanm> SIGH
[08:53] <duncanm> ping pong...
[08:53] <nevyn> hrm
[08:54] <nevyn> duncanm: looks to me like it depends on things that are post ubuntu freeze.
[08:54] <melazyboy> man there isn't one good tutorial for compiling the linux kernel 2.6 and the new linux kernel howto from redhat fucking blows penis, talk about overly verbose and horribly organized
[08:54] <duncanm> nevyn: and there's no way to upgrade to the newer bits?
[08:58] <duncanm> dum de dum
[08:59] <melazyboy> duncanm: Whats up duncanm?
[08:59] <duncanm> melazyboy: i wanted to install dvdrip on warthy
[08:59] <duncanm> warty
[08:59] <duncanm> but it depends on post-freeze bits
[08:59] <duncanm> and i dunno if it's possible to update to the later bits
[09:00] <melazyboy> so what you did is bog down your sources.list with every repositiory out of despairity?
[09:00] <king_arthur> Kamion: I have a install problem with warty
[09:00] <duncanm> well
[09:01] <duncanm> i have restricted, universe, multiverse, warty-security main restricted and
[09:01] <duncanm> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat unstable main
[09:01] <tyrano> man i got TONS of errors upgrading to hoary :|
[09:01] <duncanm> i thought i'd give it a go cuz i just didn't want to admin this machine
[09:01] <king_arthur> I am having problems with setting up the xserver on a Warty install
[09:02] <king_arthur> can anybody advise?
[09:02] <melazyboy> duncanm: who cares, get rid of them all with the exception of the universe which should stay warty, and the top which should be changed to 'hoary' the ubuntu equiv of unstable apt-get update, then dist-upgrade and upgrade and try again the dep should be met
[09:03] <duncanm> melazyboy: but it's a pretty big update, isn't it
[09:03] <duncanm> i was hoping to be using it to copy my DVDs by now
[09:03] <melazyboy> hrm try without upgrading you will still have to 'update' after you edit your sources.list
[09:04] <king_arthur> Kamion: I have a install problem with warty, can you help with a couple of tips?
[09:05] <king_arthur> Kamion: It's the xserver
[09:05] <melazyboy> whats your problem exactly arthur?
[09:05] <duncanm> melazyboy: like this?
[09:05] <duncanm> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[09:06] <melazyboy> duncanm: Exactly, and keep the warty univers uncommented, then run a sudo apt-get update and try to install that package, apt-get install pkgnamegoeshere
[09:07] <duncanm> so
[09:07] <duncanm> transcode: Depends: libavifile-0.7c102 (>= 1:0.7.38.20030710-1.2) but it is not installable
[09:07] <duncanm> Depends: libquicktime1 (>= 0.9.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:08] <duncanm> that's better
[09:08] <melazyboy> hrm libquicktime
[09:08] <melazyboy> that sounds like some horseshit apple thing
[09:09] <melazyboy> one sec lets see where we can get that
[09:10] <duncanm> i see it in packages.debian.org/unstable/source/libquicktime
[09:10] <king_arthur> I am gettimg a "no screens found" error message from the xserver. anybody, any clues?
[09:10] <duncanm> king_arthur: what video card?
[09:11] <melazyboy> duncam add that then to your sources.list
[09:11] <king_arthur> duncanm: trident
[09:11] <duncanm> hrm
[09:11] <duncanm> king_arthur: i had an integrated graphics thing, and i fixed it by allocating more video memory
[09:11] <duncanm> king_arthur: but you're probably of a different case
[09:11] <melazyboy> deb http://packages.debian.org unstable source
[09:11] <king_arthur> duncanm: I tried dpkg-reconfigure
[09:12] <king_arthur> duncanm: didn't change a thing  :-(
[09:12] <duncanm> king_arthur: i'm new to using Debian
[09:13] <king_arthur> duncanm: :)
[09:13] <king_arthur> duncanm: welcome to the world of apt--get :)
[09:14] <melazyboy> king_arthur: configuring x is probably the second most difficult thing to configure by hand if dpkg didn't cut it there isn't much the best can suggest, if it said no screens found you might have to set to a legacy version of your moniter and video card in your xfree86_4.conf or whatever it is called
[09:14] <king_arthur> anyway, Debian  is no different dog than xserver
[09:15] <melazyboy> king_arthur: try running the command startx, and use its logging fetures to see what burned
[09:15] <king_arthur> melazyboy: have done thestartx stuff
[09:15] <melazyboy> king_arthur: And it doesn't error out with a more usefull message/
[09:16] <king_arthur> melazyboy: tells me Screens ound but none have usable configuration
[09:16] <melazyboy> did you try x -configure?
[09:16] <king_arthur> melazyboy: not yet
[09:16] <melazyboy> cat /var/log/Xfree.0.log
[09:17] <melazyboy> with a capital F
[09:17] <melazyboy> in free
[09:17] <king_arthur> melazyboy: let me try
[09:18] <melazyboy> you might have to lspci and install the latest video module or build it into the kernel x could shit out because of that as well
[09:19] <king_arthur> melazyboy: lit says no such a file or directory
[09:19] <king_arthur> melazyboy: trident is found though
[09:20] <king_arthur> melazyboy: in the dpkg-reconfigure I found all the correct parameters
[09:21] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I really have no idea what is happening =/ before when X was unable to install using dpkg, i simply moved too another distro, while i like debian the best i know what a pain in the ass both x and sendmail are to configure. and im simply to lazy, all i can say is verbose error messages into google are your friend =/
[09:21] <king_arthur> melazyboy: thanks :(
[09:22] <king_arthur> melazyboy: problem might be there are two video cards however, trident is found and correctly located into it's right h/w address
[09:24] <melazyboy> no idea, your problem is way above typical linux user q/a, my best suggestion would be verbose error msges into google, linuxquestions.com or newsgroups your probably going to have to find a die hard x guru or a dev to answer specific x questions =/
[09:25] <melazyboy> not to say your problem is specific to your -- just to say that the percentage of people that have any minor x problem is usually so miniscual that hunting them down is near impossible
[09:27] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I know, I have been installing Debian from the "potato" times
[09:28] <king_arthur> melazyboy:sometimes it' s a real pain in the butt :(
[09:28] <melazyboy> yea im along time deb fan as well, but only recently started using debian for workstations
[09:28] <duncanm> Failed to fetch http://packages.debian.org/dists/unstable/source/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[09:28] <duncanm> melazyboy: so that didn't work
[09:28] <king_arthur> melazyboy:I know all about hate and love affair with debian,,, :0)
[09:28] <duncanm> oh oh
[09:28] <duncanm> deb-src, probably
[09:29] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I change distros because i get pissed off at design functionality of another distro, as just recentlky i had a problem with yoper that caused a dev to suggest a reinstall, so i installed another distro, decented to try ubuntu seemed promacing
[09:29] <duncanm> i think i'm giving up
[09:29] <melazyboy> duncanm whats up you can get debian unstable in your repos?
[09:30] <duncanm> melazyboy: i dunno, i just did what you suggested
[09:30] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I'll stick to Ubuntu the best I found so far, this problem is h/w related on an old Pentium I for a friend
[09:30] <mojo> YES! YES! I found out why RealPlayer doesnt start up on Hoary!
[09:30] <mojo> YES!
[09:30] <mojo> That's the SWF plugin
[09:30] <melazyboy> duncanm: You know your problem...
[09:31] <attifinch> im nto really like realplayer 10 for linux
[09:31] <mojo> Please just remove swfformat.so and swfrender.so in plugins folder of RealPlayer!
[09:31] <attifinch> wish it was more like real one
[09:31] <king_arthur> boys I have got some work to do now, see you around, melazy still willing to send you invitation bye
[09:31] <melazyboy> duncanm: packages.debian.org does not have /dists/ =D
[09:31] <melazyboy> use your web browser to find the locations =D
[09:31] <duncanm> so...
[09:31] <duncanm> of the dsc file?
[09:32] <melazyboy> so Failed to fetch packages.debian.org/dists/unstable, will inevidably yeild a 404 when there is no dist dir in packages.debian.org
[09:32] <duncanm> so...
[09:32] (crimsun/#ubuntu) use a proper url
[09:33] (crimsun/#ubuntu) [for instance, deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free] 
[09:37] <melazyboy> duncanm ok i got the line working that you need
[09:37] <duncanm> melazyboy: how do you figure it out?
[09:37] <duncanm> i'm a total newbie when it comes to debian
[09:37] <melazyboy> so try this before you give up, simple add this line to your sources.list
[09:38] <melazyboy> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable contrib main non-free
[09:38] <melazyboy> aparently debian adds the dist after the last part of the url string, it then runs spiders through the rest of the args as dirs
[09:38] <melazyboy> that should add the newest and greatest debian respository to your list
[09:39] <melazyboy> libquicktime1 is listed.
[09:40] <melazyboy> apt-cache showpkg libquicktime1, v 0.9.3-2
[09:40] <melazyboy> there do that and run an 'sudo apt-get update' and try installing your crpa again
[09:41] <melazyboy> got it?
[09:41] <duncanm> i had to startup the machine again
[09:41] <duncanm> it's updating now
[09:42] <Captain> hey guys I got an idea.  If warty is not liked by my imac, why not install hoary? How close to stable is hoary?
[09:42] <melazyboy> thats not a subjective question or anything..
[09:43] <melazyboy> depends if your me, Hoary is overly stable.. its 100x greater than windows and more secure
[09:43] <melazyboy> If you wear a tin foil hat when you watching the preview channel so as not to be mindwashed by the fat japenese guy selling ginko knives, chances are its far from acceptable..
[09:43] <duncanm> melazyboy: nice! now it's going
[09:43] <Captain> My companrison is OS X
[09:43] <melazyboy> **bows**
[09:44] <Captain> lol
[09:44] <melazyboy> Captain: Im sure its just as stable as OS X because OS X has no stability its all a gimmick
[09:44] <Captain> yes and no.
[09:45] <Captain> is OS X what jobs wants everyone to think it is? no
[09:45] <melazyboy> install hoary, you can't loose anything your imac already doesn't like warty right?
[09:45] <melazyboy> live dangerously
[09:45] <Captain> yes
[09:45] <Captain> true.  IT freezes a lot with warty, especially with xscreensaver
[09:46] <Captain> kernel panics too
[09:47] <melazyboy> upgrade...
[09:47] <melazyboy> I would
[09:47] <Captain> but I loved the speed.  This comp felt like a new one!  I just installed a ppc version of fedora and I miss apt-get (I learned out of all unlikly places on OS X with fink!)
[09:49] <melazyboy> ... hoary has apt-get and is faster than warty..
[09:49] <Captain> yum really sucks, its slow as hell.  I've been wondering why it has to download headers everytime you install remove something?
[09:50] <sid77> Captain, you can always run yum -C after the first header dl ;)
[09:50] <Captain> u got me there
[09:50] <sid77> anyway, ubuntu rocks
[09:52] <Captain> but thre are other problems, I can't believe that I actually had to hack my way to video accel with this rpm based distro whereas ubuntu just set it up.  I also had, not too much setting my rinter up with ubuntu and I think I had my usb scanner working too (even a problem on debian sarge and woody).
[09:53] <Captain> so yeah thre's a ton of potential
[09:55] <Captain> ka thanks guys, I just wanted some feedback. confirmation
[09:58] <Gmail> bob2: are you here?
[09:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) ?
[09:58] <king_arthur> melazyboy: hoary is NOT faster than warty
[09:58] <king_arthur> at least on my PC
[09:59] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Should be uses x.org and newer versions of all the libs
[09:59] <fabbione> this is a misconception
[09:59] <king_arthur> Is that the problem?
[09:59] <fabbione> new stuff != faster
[09:59] <fabbione> at all
[09:59] <fabbione> it never was and never will
[09:59] <melazyboy> ... your so smart...
[09:59] <fabbione> if it is faster you are lucky
[10:00] <king_arthur> fabbione: do you agree that hoary is slooow?
[10:00] <Gmail> bob2: i am /msg ya
[10:00] <fabbione> king_arthur: no and i don't agree that it is faster
[10:00] <melazyboy> fabbione: Thats right because newer algos, and better optimization don't exist
[10:00] <fabbione> it is strictly subjective point of view
[10:00] <king_arthur> fabbione: dso what?
[10:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: why?
[10:00] <Gmail> bob2: because its offtopic here
[10:01] <fabbione> melazyboy: eh?
[10:01] <fabbione> king_arthur: it depends on what you do.. on my machine i don't perceive any difference
[10:01] <fabbione> king_arthur: but if you cannot provide specific numbers to prove your feeling og being slow
[10:01] <fabbione> king_arthur: it is only your point of view
[10:01] <king_arthur> fabbione: I am using on a 2Gh clock PC
[10:02] <fabbione> and no.. glxgear is NOT a benchmark
[10:02] <fabbione> king_arthur: so do i, and?
[10:02] <king_arthur> fabbione: whenevr I click to open a window it takes a few seconds
[10:02] <king_arthur> fabbione: I guess something is wrong
[10:02] <jdub> king_arthur: what kind of window? have you installed gamin?
[10:03] <fabbione> king_arthur: that can be related to: a) kernel b) memory c) bus d) state of the system e) swap f) what kind of window
[10:03] <fabbione> king_arthur: and a bunch of other things
[10:03] <king_arthur> fabbione: have tried x.org but does not support my monitor
[10:03] <fabbione> that is not a benchmark :-)
[10:03] <king_arthur> fabbione: just any window in nautilus
[10:04] <fabbione> king_arthur: still...
[10:04] <Gaaruto> king_arthur, do you have upgrade to hoary ?
[10:04] <fabbione> it can be nautilus that is slow
[10:04] <fabbione> not "hoary"
[10:04] <king_arthur> fabbione: I agree
[10:04] <fabbione> or perhaps one of the nautilus libs
[10:04] <jdub> king_arthur: install gamin.
[10:04] <king_arthur> fabbione: but the final result is a lot worse than warty
[10:04] <Gaaruto> king_arthur, just install this -> sudo apt-get onstall gamin
[10:04] <jirwin> how come I can't find php4-imap?
[10:04] <Gaaruto> king_arthur, just install this -> sudo apt-get install gamin
[10:04] <king_arthur> fabbione: BTW what's gamin?
[10:05] <jdub> king_arthur: gamin is a replacement for fam.
[10:05] <jdub> the file alteration monitor
[10:05] <jdub> it tells nautilus when files on the disk have changed
[10:05] <king_arthur> fabbione:  what's fam ? 8)
[10:05] <jirwin> file alteration monitor
[10:05] <Gaaruto> i had the same problem before install gamin :)
[10:05] <fabbione> king_arthur: you need to ask jdub that is talking to you
[10:05] <fabbione> not me
[10:05] <king_arthur> I see
[10:06] <king_arthur> sorry guys
[10:06] <king_arthur> sorry guysI will give it a shot
[10:06] <king_arthur> as a matter of fact I found that firsst time you start an app it's extremely slow, than it gets faster
[10:06] <king_arthur> is that normal?
[10:07] <jdub> depending on the app, it makes a certain amount of sense
[10:07] <king_arthur> firefox for instance
[10:07] <king_arthur> takes a while the first launch and then it starts rolling
[10:08] <king_arthur> does that make sense?
[10:08] <jdub> yeah
[10:08] <jirwin> i would presume, just because it is still in ram
[10:08] <king_arthur> will give it a shot in a few minutes
[10:08] <jdub> when you open new windows, it's using the existing process
[10:08] <jdub> when you run it for the first time, it's loading it from disk
[10:09] <jdub> when you quit and run it again, it's loading it probably mostly from cache
[10:09] <duncanm> hey jdub
[10:09] <duncanm> jdub: i'm running Ubuntu at home
[10:09] <duncanm> jdub: it took a while to get things going, but it's running now
[10:09] <jdub> cool
[10:09] <jirwin> a specific dependency I am looking for isn't in the universe repo, any ideas where I can find it?
[10:09] <duncanm> i might keep running it, cuz it's so much fun saying U-BUNN-TOO
[10:10] <jdub> duncanm: ooh-boon-too :-)
[10:10] <duncanm> OU-Booon-tooo
[10:10] <duncanm> yeah
[10:10] <duncanm> jdub: exactly
[10:10] <jdub> happy with the mono stuff?
[10:10] <jirwin> I am looking for php4-imap
[10:10] <duncanm> oh, i didn't try
[10:10] <duncanm> jdub: i bought a machine from dell for USD $600
[10:11] <duncanm> jdub: and that included a 17" LCD!
[10:11] <duncanm> jdub: i plan on using it as a disk server, and to rip DVDs
[10:11] <jdub> tasty
[10:11] <duncanm> so the first thing to do is to install dvd rip
[10:11] <jdub> jirwin: it's not enabled - we chose not to support it due to security reasons
[10:11] <duncanm> dvd::rip
[10:11] <duncanm> what not
[10:11] <duncanm> jdub: it really didn't work at first, and i was close to giving up
[10:11] <jirwin> php4-imap?
[10:12] <duncanm> but melazyboy told me the secret keyword to get the mainline debian repo to work
[10:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) jirwin: yes
[10:12] <jirwin> oh ok...so is there anyway for me to enable it?
[10:12] <duncanm> the maillerat (sp?) stuff was dependent on it
[10:12] (bob2/#ubuntu) jirwin: you can download the php4 source package and rebuild it with php4-imap enabled
[10:13] <jirwin> oh ok...thanks
[10:21] <king_arthur> hey boys, I installed gamin and lost the ability to use synaptic,,,
[10:22] <king_arthur> how is that possible?
[10:23] <king_arthur> jdub: does that make any sense loosing synaptic after installing gamin?
[10:23] <jdub> no
[10:24] <king_arthur> I have also a problem with the session manager
[10:24] <king_arthur> it's asking me twice the same questions
[10:25] <king_arthur> I have created a new user and that one works fine
[10:25] <king_arthur> anyway I have gotta leave for a while see you around guys
[10:26] <Gmail> Gmail has a speel checker now
[10:27] <Gmail> but it isn't list on http://www.google.com/gmail/help/whatsnew.html YET
[10:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) it has had it since it was launched
[10:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) also, please change your nick
[10:27] <tyrano> gmail has pop3 support too
[10:30] <tcurdt_> guys ...how far is hoary yet? thinking about upgrading from warty
[10:31] <tcurdt_> stability comparable with debian unstable?
[10:31] <tcurdt_> better ..worse?
[10:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you don't want to help debug it, don't upgrade
[10:31] <tcurdt_> well ...I don't mind if stuff breaks from time to time
[10:32] <tcurdt_> but is it kind of useable already?
[10:33] <tcurdt_> I am kinda keen for the uft-8 support ...as well as for x.org ...of course :-)
[10:34] <xukun> tcurdt_, I use hoary and I realy like it, not realy so much things break
[10:34] <tcurdt_> xukun: thanks ...that's what I wanted to hear :-)
[10:36] <xukun> just change warty in sources.list to hoary then update it and dist-upgrade
[10:36] <agenteo> hi I'm experiencing a problem with grub on Ubuntu, I've found a guy with my same problem: "The file /boot/rub/stage1 not read correctly" after grub-install /dev/hda (http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/2004/Nov/21) but Ican't find a way out! I've just cleared some partitions but the one I'm using (that holds ubuntu and grub config) it's not changed
[10:36] <tcurdt_> xukun: I know :-) ...thanks anyway
[10:44] <melazyboy> does x.org use xf86config-4?
[10:44] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[10:44] <melazyboy> hrm
[10:44] <melazyboy> I wonder why debian generated a file then for it?
[10:44] <melazyboy> =[
[10:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) debian doesn't include x.org
[10:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) nor does warty
[10:45] <melazyboy> im using horay
[10:45] <daniels> and if you upgraded from Warty to Hoary, then your old file gets kept around
[10:45] <daniels> because deleting configuration files is a little rude
[10:45] <melazyboy> top of the file. this file was created by dexconf, the debian x configuration tool
[10:45] <opi> someone told me he used xorg packages from Ubuntu in Debian
[10:45] <melazyboy> hrm didn't know that thanks daniels
[10:46] <melazyboy> I am..
[10:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) opi: that's precisely what I'm doing.
[10:46] <opi> crimsun: oh, ok -- I just joined ;)
[10:46] (crimsun/#ubuntu) granted, when things break, I keep all the pieces.
[10:46] <opi> crimsun: haven't seen all thread
[10:54] <melazyboy> is there an easy way to find out if you are using xfree86 or xorg, i have stuff from both as it would seem, im using hooray and have done a dist-upgrade and upgrade, shoulden't i be running xorg?
[10:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) ls -l /etc/X11/X
[10:55] <melazyboy> odd returns XFree86..=[
[10:55] <rexiboy> hey there
[10:56] <topyli> melazyboy: X -version
[10:56] <rexiboy> I'm running hooray with xorg I suspect you 2
[10:56] <melazyboy> =[ i thought that dist-upgrade with horay moved xfree86 to xorg
[10:56] <melazyboy> no im not =/ i wish
[10:57] <rexiboy> did you try apt-get install xorg?
[10:57] <topyli> melazyboy: don't wish, check: do 'X -version'
[10:57] <melazyboy> no.. i thought it was included in dist-upgrade
[10:57] <melazyboy> I did topyli returns xfree86
[10:57] <melazyboy> if i apt-get xorg will dpkg clean up xfree86?
[10:57] <topyli> ah. strange
[10:58] <topyli> melazyboy: x.org will conflict with xfree and replace it
[10:58] <rexiboy> not sure if you first need to uninstall 86...
[10:59] <topyli> the upgrade will take care of everything
[10:59] <rexiboy> anyone knows any good keyloggers for ubuntu?
[11:05] <rexiboy> any1??
[11:07] <xukun> calc, which type of laptop? and do you have a wlan card on it?
[11:07] <melazyboy> wonder if anyone has made an apache module that allows you to order a kernel compile remotly
[11:07] <melazyboy> would be kind of interesting
[11:07] <calc> xukun: amd64
[11:07] <melazyboy> set it up at work and make sure it compiles properly
[11:07] <calc> xukun: arima w720-k8 (emachines m6807)
[11:07] <melazyboy> have it ready when i come home
[11:07] <calc> xukun: the wlan is broadcom (gag)
[11:07] <calc> so it won't work
[11:07] <calc> i'm still waiting on the intel 2915abg's to be released
[11:07] <melazyboy> ... use ndiswrapper
[11:08] <melazyboy> probably will work fine
[11:08] <calc> melazyboy: doesn't work when there is no driver to begin with for the arch
[11:08] <melazyboy> there isn't a windows driver?
[11:08] <calc> 04:07 < calc> xukun: amd64
[11:08] <calc> there is only a driver that works on i386
[11:08] <calc> doesn't work for amd64 or ppc, etc
[11:09] <calc> both of which uses broadcom nics often
[11:09] <topyli> melazyboy: why apache?
[11:09] <xukun> calc, ask #kanotix
[11:09] <melazyboy> topyli: because i dont need to ssh..
[11:09] <calc> wow supposedly a company got the 2915 in stock finally, too bad i have never heard of them before
[11:09] <topyli> melazyboy: i wouldn't let http daemons compile stuff on my server :)
[11:10] <melazyboy> its not a server and i would
[11:11] <melazyboy> woulden't seem to hard for perl to manage the .conf and issue out a command to run make, capture results and spew them back out
[11:12] <topyli> melazyboy: if it serves http to the internet, i'd call it a server
[11:12] <topyli> a webmin module might be nice
[11:12] <melazyboy> ok so its a workstation running apache, or a server...
[11:13] <melazyboy> its not like anything running apache deserves the name server, i think all of my boxs have some version of apache on it
[11:15] <topyli> melazyboy: sure. i run all sorts of services on my workstation. when i connect to it from work i think of it as "my server"
[11:16] <topyli> and vice versa :)
[11:16] <melazyboy> I prefer for simplicity and when not speaking of client/server realationships, to think of anything optimized for background processes as a server, while anything that is made to interact with a local user as a workstation
[11:18] <topyli> i don't think a webmin kernel module would be too hard to do. clickety-click configuration, hit "build", hit "reboot" :)
[11:18] <stratking> i have a dell inspiron 2650 and for whatever reason i cant change the sensativity of the trackpad
[11:18] <melazyboy> topyli: Neither do i
[11:19] <stratking> whenever i change the setting in  computer > mouse, it only affects any usb mouse thats plugged in
[11:19] <stratking> anyone know how to change the trackpad settings?
[11:19] <topyli> stratking: a colleague has a hp laptop like that :)
[11:19] <stratking> oh really, w/ the same problem?
[11:19] <topyli> yes
[11:20] <stratking> has he been able to get it working at all?
[11:20] <topyli> she ended up adjusting her fingers :)
[11:20] <stratking> :(
[11:21] <stratking> thats what i was afraid of
[11:21] <calc> man ubuntu is hard to install
[11:21] <topyli> that's original =)
[11:21] <calc> these things that look like characters popped up and i think it was trying to get me to read
[11:21] <stratking> lol, yeah
[11:21] <topyli> heh
[11:22] <calc> i almost made out something about entering a username before my brain shut off ;)
[11:22] <calc> jdub: good job :)
[11:23] <topyli> warning: brain will be rebooted for maintenance in 30 seconds
[11:23] <calc> i need faster internet this is going to take another hour to install :\
[11:24] <melazyboy> noo kernel panic
[11:25] <melazyboy> what a good way to piss on a party
[11:25] <jdub> calc: install credits to Kamion :)
[11:26] <calc> Kamion: good job! :)
[11:27] <calc> i did notice one odd thing in the partitioner though
[11:27] <calc> it doesn't seem to allow you to not format a partition that you want to setup
[11:27] <calc> eg to automatically setup the mount point, instead of doing it later manually
[11:28] <calc> iirc it used to have a separate option listed to format with it default on
[11:29] <topyli> how would it know where to mount a partition? it can't know that i for example have a /home/pub partition :)
[11:29] <calc> topyli: i mean the partitioner used to allow you to tell it what type/location a partition should be without also formatting it
[11:30] <melazyboy> how come the new kernel doesn't use initrd?
[11:30] <topyli> calc: ah. without doing the "expert" thing?
[11:31] <calc> topyli: perhaps not, i don't recall
[11:31] <topyli> i did an "expert" install and could assign mount points to my /home and /home/pub which i didn't format
[11:32] <topyli> i don't think the default lets you do that
[11:34] <melazyboy> god damn i don't understand this
[11:34] <melazyboy> kernel panic
[11:34] <calc> topyli: i've probably never used the default install in the past
[11:34] <melazyboy> Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct root= boot option
[11:34] <melazyboy> VFS unable to mount root fs on unkown block
[11:35] <melazyboy> but the other image works fine
[11:35] <topyli> calc: WE ARE THE EXPERTS
[11:35] <melazyboy> and it has the same root option
[11:35] <calc> tonight i wanted to see what it would do as a normal user install :)
[11:35] <calc> was very nice
[11:37] <topyli> calc: another reason do the expert install: i want en_us as language, but finnish keyboard/timezone/paper/stuff
[11:37] <calc> heh
[11:38] <topyli> you should see a finlandized user interface :)
[11:38] <calc> topyli: perhaps i will next summer :)
[11:38] <calc> topyli: i'm hoping to go to debconf5 in helsinki
[11:39] <topyli> very cool! i'm thinking of hanging around
[11:39] <topyli> i don't think you'll see a finnish interface on finnish debian hackers' laptops though =)
[11:39] <calc> ah
[11:40] <calc> if they i18n'd it properly wouldn't it be good?
[11:40] <calc> or is there some other issue with it?
[11:41] <topyli> calc: the error dialogs would not fit on my 1600x1200 display
[11:41] <calc> ah
[11:41] <calc> is finland one of those countries where you just string lots of chars together to form a word-sentence?
[11:41] <topyli> yes
[11:41] <calc> ah :)
[11:42] <topyli> but primarily, i'm just used to machines speaking english. the finnish translations are not bad, but the vocabulary is alien to me :)
[11:42] <calc> if you just break the word with a hyphen it would work?
[11:42] <calc> ok
[11:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) melazyboy: you're building your own kernel?
[11:43] <topyli> calc: hyphenation would work. i don't know if gnome i18n takes that in account though. maybe it does
[11:44] <melazyboy> bob2: Yes i think its because i had devfs built in and according to this guru thats the problem
[11:44] <melazyboy> its obsolete and jesus hates it
[11:44] (bob2/#ubuntu) the default kernel works great
[11:44] (bob2/#ubuntu) it has devfs built in, but unused, which is fine
[11:44] <melazyboy> ... i want my 686 kernel with modules needed build in, boot time is everything
[11:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) why?
[11:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) how often are you rebooting?
[11:45] <melazyboy> because i need to compensate for something...
[11:45] <melazyboy> once every 5yrs
[11:45] <melazyboy> theoretically i reformat once every 2 weeks out of boredom
[11:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) erm, ok
[11:45] (bob2/#ubuntu) maybe you should try knitting or something?
[11:45] <melazyboy> too productive
[11:47] <melazyboy> oh WTF
[11:47] <melazyboy> my kernel options just defaulted back to normal because of an error
[11:47] <melazyboy> what a waste of time that was
[11:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) sounds like i
[11:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) t
[11:47] <melazyboy> thanks..
[11:49] <one_2_one> hoary what is ?
[11:49] <calc> one_2_one: development version of ubuntu
[11:50] <one_2_one> calc, thks for the info
[11:50] <topyli> the unstable of ubuntu land
[11:50] <one_2_one> i can use packages from there ?
[11:51] <calc> i just installed hoary directly
[11:51] <agwibowo> has anyone in australia get the delivered ubuntu cd?
[11:51] <topyli> one_2_one: i prefer to get hoary sources and backport them to warty
[11:52] <calc> agwibowo: i haven't gotten mine in the US yet
[11:52] <agwibowo> oo
[11:52] <calc> not sure how long its supposed to take
[11:52] <topyli> no cds seen here in finland either. that's three continents already :)
[11:54] <melazyboy> because downloading and burning the cd is so v. hard
[11:55] <thoreauputic> melazyboy: it is when you are on 56k dialup, yes
[11:55] <topyli> they're probably shipping quite a few, takes time
[11:55] <calc> melazyboy: i ordered some to give away at a lug
[11:55] <jdub> agwibowo: some .au CDs have arrived.
[11:55] <topyli> i'd just like to throw them at people at ork
[11:56] <calc> i just do network installs for myself
[11:56] <melazyboy> its people like topyli That make me think its a very bad idea
[11:56] <agwibowo> jdub: where about are you in au? i'm in melb...
[11:56] <calc> download 5mb iso and install from that :)
[11:56] <melazyboy> sounds like a horrable buisness model anyway giving away cds when your product is already free
[11:56] <jdub> agwibowo: sydney.
[11:56] <topyli> melazyboy: it's not business. it's pr
[11:57] <agwibowo> jdub: i see.. thx!
[11:57] <calc> sending some to daniels doesn't count ;)
[11:57] <melazyboy> topyli: PR that costs money, i just have a hard time donating money to a company that selflessly gives out cds without knowing the receivers intensions
[11:57] <calc> i doubt he has even been in .au in half a year though ;)
[11:57] <calc> he seems to be bouncing all around US/EU
[11:58] <topyli> melazyboy: my intent is to get people looking at free software
[11:58] <melazyboy> topyli: Well then i worry about others that will just throw the cds at people in an office
[11:59] <rapha> Morning everybody!
[11:59] <calc> hmm the wpa supplicant isn't in hoary yet?
[11:59] <jdub> melazyboy: we don't expect donations. we only put up the donation link due to demand.
[12:00] <rapha> How is everybody?
[12:00] <melazyboy> So how do you pay for cds and postage?
[12:00] <topyli> melazyboy: actually, i lied. i'm not going to actually throw them around. i'll think of another figure of speech for tomorrow
[12:00] <daniels> melazyboy: canonical is paying for the shipping
[12:01] <thoreauputic> melazyboy: google Shuttleworth Ubuntu
[12:02] <Moof> is there a swat package for ubuntu?
[12:02] <stereo_> Moof, yes, there is
[12:02] <Moof> stereo_: cos the one in universe refuses to install for me
[12:02] <stereo_> Moof, version 3.0.7
[12:03] <stereo_> Moof, ah, i see
[12:03] <agwibowo> what's PR?
[12:04] <linux_mafia> as in firefox?
[12:04] <agwibowo> does anyone know if 256MB nVidia GeForce 6800 GTO works with Linux ?
[12:04] <daniels> i assume he means 'public relations'
[12:04] <topyli> agwibowo: public relations
[12:04] <linux_mafia> preview release
[12:04] <Moof> stereo_: any ideas?
[12:04] <melazyboy> most anything 'nvidia' and new iwll
[12:05] <agwibowo> what about pentium 4  with HT? would linux takes it's full potential?
[12:05] <stereo_> Moof, wait for the new swat package... it's since a week broken.. samba came as a new version in ubuntu. swat has to follow
[12:05] <Moof> is there any particular reason that samab is in ubuntu main but swat isn't? given its part of the samba distro?
[12:05] <stereo_> Moof, so waiting or getting from a different source is the solution
[12:06] <Moof> stereo_: is the universe version goign to be fixed?
[12:06] <stereo_> Moof, yes... but samba-universe has also ubuntu in its packagename
[12:06] <stereo_> Moof, i hope so
[12:06] <topyli> Moof: samba doesn't need swat
[12:06] <linux_mafia> im running hoary, after my last update, firefox doesen't start, error is locale related, anyone else seeing this?
[12:07] <stereo_> Moof, but i'm not at ubuntu
[12:07] <topyli> Moof: btw, webmin has a nice samba module
[12:07] <Moof> topyli: ture. but I'm trying to make this userfriendly for a co-admin of mine who is new to linux
[12:07] <Captain> can someone tell me if there are hoary iso or do I have to just change sources.list ?
[12:07] <stereo_> Captain, just change the sources list
[12:08] <jdub> Captain: change sources.list for now, the install CDs are not working very nicely :)
[12:08] <deFrysk> warty -> hoary in sources.list
[12:08] <Captain> k
[12:09] <deFrysk> do a dist-upgrade and change locales to utf-8
[12:11] <Moof> actually, yes,. that's the other thing. how do I get nautilus and the conosle and the x terminals to all think I'm utf-8? I'm trying to get this to be a file server for spanish files with utf-8 filenames
[12:11] <wood1> How do I access my NTFS drive ?
[12:11] <Moof> wood1: mount -t ntfs /dev/discs/thedevice /mnt
[12:12] <wood1> How do I mount my NTFS drive for both read and write ?
[12:12] <thoreauputic> don't
[12:12] <Moof> write is still experimental
[12:12] <thoreauputic> wood1: writing to ntfs is not supported
[12:12] <Moof> you could seriously hose your disk
[12:12] <topyli> wood1: yeah, mount it read-only
[12:13] (mjr/#ubuntu) wood1, if you really need that, there's a thing called "captive" that runs the windows ntfs driver in userspace, but that might require tweaking
[12:13] (mjr/#ubuntu) ("might" :)
[12:15] <wood1> where do I find the software for "captive" ?
[12:15] (mjr/#ubuntu) Google.
[12:16] <topyli> wood1: last i looked, captive ntfs was brain damaged
[12:18] <Moof> topyli: what package is the webmin samba module?
[12:19] <Moof> found it
[12:19] <Moof> starign straight at me
[12:22] <topyli> heh
[12:23] <topyli> Moof: webmin got me off medication :)
[12:24] <daniels> bob2: dnbr
[12:25] <papersmoke> helo all
[12:26] <Moof> is it valid to file ubuntu bugs for universe packages in case they decide they want to include them in main?
[12:27] <Moof> webmin's installation script needs reworking so that it doesn't just copy the root password
[12:27] <Lowry> hi all
[12:27] <topyli> Moof: it's broken anyway in that we should have root disabled. now you have to enable root, then make another webmin user as root, disable root again
[12:31] <Moof> topyli: hence should I file this as a bug, given it's in universe?
[12:31] <topyli> i don't think you should file a bug, unless you find it in the hoary proposed modules list (on the wiki)
[12:31] <Panquekas> hello can anybody tell me the exact location of usplash? because I search in /etc/usplash and I don't have anything :\
[12:31] <pisuke> great
[12:31] <pisuke> the out of memory killer
[12:31] <pisuke> decided to kill gdm
[12:31] <paperflake> Panquekas try which usplash
[12:32] <Panquekas> nothing.. but it works on my computer :)
[12:33] <demon666_nl> clear
[12:33] <demon666_nl> hi
[12:34] <demon666_nl> I'm new to XCHAT
[12:34] <demon666_nl> :P
[12:34] <demon666_nl> hi peteog
[12:34] <peteog> hey
[12:35] <paperflake> Panquekas: whereis usplash
[12:35] <demon666_nl> it's quiet here
[12:35] <demon666_nl> Anyone from holland ?
[12:36] <wood1> How do I mount a Network drive in Ubuntu ?
[12:36] <Panquekas> paperflake, I tried that too.. and nothing..
[12:37] <topyli> wood1: what kind of network?
[12:37] <wood1> topyli, A Windows Workgroup Network
[12:37] <demon666_nl> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html for the network drive mounting
[12:38] <demon666_nl> that's the starter's guide howto
[12:38] <demon666_nl> starters obviously :P
[12:38] <demon666_nl> ubuntu rocks .. I've got just 1 big problem. And it's asus/via's fault.
[12:38] <topyli> wood1: nautilus should just see the windows network if you have smbclient installed
[12:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: looking at scrollback, I recommend you don't use expert mode; everything you mentioned is available as an option in the normal install, and the UI in the normal install is much better and actually tested
[12:40] <Pluk> hiya demon666_nl , im from holland
[12:40] <demon666_nl> just read the startersguide. Or click computer -> systemconfiguration -> networking -> general -> enable windows networking
[12:40] <demon666_nl> Hi pluk!
[12:40] <Pluk> :)
[12:41] <topyli> Kamion: it is? hmm. i'll try once i get to install ubuntu on yet another box :)
[12:41] <topyli> thanks!
[12:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu) calc: the option's there; in warty, select "Keep and use the existing data in the partition" rather than "Format the partition"
[12:42] <topyli> Kamion: and the mixed locale stuff too?
[12:42] <demon666_nl> I've got a asus P4p800 deluxe motherboard with VIA VT6410 raid chip. I used raid0 in windows XP. But now I want to have acces to my data in ubuntu.
[12:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: expert mode doesn't provide that any more than normal mode does, AFAIK
[12:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: you can certainly select a Finnish keyboard in either
[12:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) topyli: but for the rest I recommend that you just select Finnish and then set LC_MESSAGES=en_US or en_US.UTF-8 or whatever in your environment later
[12:46] <topyli> Kamion: ok, perhaps i'm too eager to be an expert :)
[12:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) "expert mode" is for debugging d-i or for weird special cases; it sets the debconf priority to low so that more questions are seen
[12:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) in Debian it's propagated to the second stage of the install too, but we disabled that because other consequences of that propagation caused us problems
[12:48] <Moof> topyli: the webmin samba module is not bad.
[12:49] <Moof> topyli: it's missing any menton of filename character set mappign though
[12:49] <topyli> Kamion: that won't do for locales. i've noticed it's best to start from the C locale and make exceptions to that. but my setup is not too standard by any standard, and this is just "how i've always done it". i'll look at modernizing come hoary day :)
[12:50] <topyli> Moof: yes it's true. you get to edit smb.conf after all
[12:50] <Moof> topyli: which is what I'm trying to avoid.
[12:50] <topyli> Moof: i have a win98 client here whose user is not happy either because i've been lazy with the charset stuff
[12:52] <Moof> topyli: I'm tryign to replace a windows fileserver wiht a linux one
[12:52] <Moof> topyli: I work in spain.
[12:52] <Moof> guess what's going ot be come an issue? ;)
[12:53] <topyli> i feel your pain. this is finland :)
[01:00] <topyli> oh goodie. i get to go to a meeting!
[01:02] <paperflake> lol
[01:03] <paperflake> en joy
[01:03] <topyli> heh. i have a hour. but it's on the other side of town
[01:11] <wood1> Well I have the smb Network using the Nautilaus
[01:11] <wood1> I just want the command for mounting a Network PC on the shell
[01:11] <Gmail> when is modconf entering hoary?
[01:12] <Gmail> Kamion: i think you told me you where hacking the source binary in warty
[01:13] (whiprush/#ubuntu) anyone feel like testing out my new ubuntu mirror? I'd like to see how fast it is for people.
[01:14] <Gmail> ok
[01:14] <Gmail> what contrey?
[01:14] (whiprush/#ubuntu) us
[01:14] <Lowry> later
[01:15] <Gmail> it rsycne every what?
[01:15] (whiprush/#ubuntu) 6 hours
[01:15] (whiprush/#ubuntu) just starting universe right now though
[01:15] <Gmail> what connecty
[01:15] (whiprush/#ubuntu) it's been going most of the night
[01:15] (whiprush/#ubuntu) dunno, it's off our university connection
[01:15] (whiprush/#ubuntu) which is why I want to test it
[01:15] <Gmail> ahh
[01:15] <Gmail> legal?
[01:15] (whiprush/#ubuntu) yep
[01:16] (whiprush/#ubuntu) deb http://ubuntu.secs.oakland.edu warty main blahblah
[01:16] <Gmail> well i am sticking with mirror.isp.net.au
[01:16] <Gmail> whiprush: what about hoary?!?
[01:16] (whiprush/#ubuntu) universe is going to take a few more hours, but if anyone in here could test the speed that would be swell
[01:16] (whiprush/#ubuntu) yeah hoary also
[01:17] (whiprush/#ubuntu) i386 only for now though.
[01:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, I said I tried and failed
[01:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: I imagine that were I to try for hoary I would similarly try and fail; since it's universe, I don't generally get to work on it during paid hours
[01:18] <jordi> jdub: ping
[01:18] <jdub> yo
[01:19] <Gmail> Kamion: move it to main
[01:19] <Gmail> its only in universe because it doesn't work
[01:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: I beg your pardon?
[01:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) we're not supporting it therefore it's not in main
[01:20] <Gmail> isn't the reason why you are not supporting it because you can't get it to work
[01:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) no, it's because we don't feel it should be necessary
[01:21] <Gmail> Kamion: why not?
[01:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) my discovery that I couldn't easily get it to work was well after the decisions about warty package lists were made
[01:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) use hotplug instead
[01:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) get the devices auto-discovered
[01:21] <Gmail> i can only make my sound work ia modconf
[01:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you could equally well make them work using modprobe; modconf is just a UI
[01:22] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, you can also edit /etc/modules by hand
[01:22] <Gmail> but i need to see the desciption of the module to be able to tell if i need it
[01:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) besides we do not feel that such a solution is good for users; it's much better if it just works with no configuration, and you should file a bug when things don't work out of the box
[01:23] (Kamion/#ubuntu) so use modinfo
[01:23] <jak3b> hello
[01:23] <Gmail> Kamion: i said my sound doesn't work out of the box a long time ago
[01:23] (Kamion/#ubuntu) is there a bug filed? IRC doesn't count
[01:24] <Gmail> is there a bugzilla bot
[01:24] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I certainly hope not ...
[01:24] <Gmail> i hate having to go off irc
[01:24] <Gmail> Kamion: there shou;d be
[01:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) there so shouldn't
[01:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you can survive outside an IRC client, you know; there are these things called "multiple windows" :-)
[01:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) IRC is a hopelessly bad model for bugs
[01:25] <Gmail> and a pastebot
[01:25] <thoreauputic> Gmail: since when does filing a bug report mean you have to go off IRC?
[01:26] <Gmail> the window min.
[01:26] <Gmail> i like having it max 24x7
[01:26] <Gmail> i browse even through irc sometimes
[01:26] <Gmail> with lynx
[01:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: jeez, use multiple desktops
[01:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I have IRC maximised too, that doesn't mean I can't do anything else
[01:29] <jordi> jdub: just mailed you.
[01:29] <UdontKnow> heh
[01:29] <jordi> Sorry, I got caught by stuff at work as soon as I arrived
[01:29] <UdontKnow> I have irc full-screen
[01:29] <UdontKnow> on one of my virtual desktops
[01:29] <UdontKnow> :)
[01:29] <UdontKnow>  [Act: 2,3,6,9,12,14,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,47,48,49,50,51,53,54,55,56,57,59,60] 
[01:29] <UdontKnow> and I do lots of other things
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Gmail: apt-get install root-tail ; irssi -c irc.freenode.net ; /set autolog on ; root-tail -f ~/irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu  :D
[01:31] <Tsjoklat> Kamion, to add ISO to locale.gen didn't help at all
[01:31] <Tsjoklat> it got worse
[01:31] <Gmail> i never get irc off my screen
[01:31] <Gmail> someone link me to bugzilla
[01:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: it's in the topic!
[01:32] <Gmail> i ment to the right part to submit the bug
[01:32] <daniels> Gmail: the part where it says 'new'
[01:32] <Gmail> wb king_arthur
[01:32] <nevyn> daniels: boeish
[01:33] <daniels> Gmail: honestly, if you can't be bothered working this out, I don't know why you spend so much time here
[01:33] <daniels> nevyn: sup
[01:33] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: don't expect people to babysit you
[01:33] <king_arthur> g'dday :-)
[01:33] <Gmail> lol
[01:33] <nevyn> daniels: nommuch.
[01:33] <Gmail> i am austrlia
[01:33] <nevyn> daniels: seen kturtle.
[01:33] <daniels> Gmail: so am I, and I know how to file bugs
[01:33] <nevyn> ?
[01:33] <Gmail> laziness is in our blood
[01:33] <daniels> nevyn: is it something to do with logo?
[01:33] <king_arthur> Gmail: ?
[01:33] <nevyn> daniels: maybe.
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Gmail: speak for yourself, mate
[01:33] (bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: yours, perhaps
[01:33] <nevyn> Gmail: indeed.
[01:33] <daniels> Gmail: that's a horrific excuse.  if you can't be arsed filing a bug, then I'm sorry to hear it, it's a shocker, but don't expect us to spoonfeed you the entire way through it.
[01:34] <king_arthur> Gmail: things are pretty lay-back downunder
 hi
 hi
 why don't ship to me cd
[01:34] <king_arthur> Gmail: WE know that :-)
[01:34] <nevyn> I havn't recieved cd's either :(
 i had order some weeks ago
 :(
[01:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I got them just last week; they're on their way I imagine
[01:35] (Kamion/#ubuntu) time of ordering is totally irrelevant
[01:35] <Gmail> why can't stupid n00bs ask in hear besides making me the midle man?
[01:35] <king_arthur> I got my CD's last monday
[01:36] <king_arthur> anybody else got CD's?
[01:36] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: if you think they're stupid then please don't inflict them on us
[01:36] <Gmail> Kamion: there stupid to think i OWN ubuntu
[01:36] <Gmail> and i make ubuntu
[01:36] <Gmail> and i ship the ubuntu cds
[01:37] <king_arthur> Gmail: congratulations
[01:37] <linux_mafia> im running hoary, after my last update, firefox doesen't start, error is locale related, anyone else seeing this?
[01:37] <king_arthur> Gmail: you've done a terrific job so far
[01:37] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: well, you must've given them that impression; as I recall you used to use the nick "Ubuntu" or similar
[01:37] <rapha> Somebody shut up that guy please.
[01:37] <Gmail> linux_mafia: no
[01:37] (bob2/#ubuntu) and before that you used GNU-Debian in #debian
[01:38] <Gmail> Kamion: i don't own ubuntu
[01:38] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: you know, as a Canonical employee do you think I might be a little bit aware of that?
[01:38] <Gmail> i own ubuntulinux but have used it 2 times and that was 3 weeks ago
[01:38] <Gmail> Kamion: i don't own ubuntu <<< THE NICK
[01:38] <rapha> Gmail: What is it with you? Are you _bored_ or something?
[01:38] <king_arthur> Gmail: stop stirring.. :-)
[01:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: dude, whatever
[01:39] <Ycros> do you own gmail?
[01:39] <Ycros> [ba-doom-chh] 
[01:39] <Gmail> yes i OW3 gmail
[01:39] <daniels> Gmail: so if you want, you could politely let him know that #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, and his question is best answered in there
[01:40] <king_arthur> Gmail: one you got from me..
[01:40] <daniels> Gmail: the following are immensely bad ideas -- a) bitching loudly in #ubuntu about it, b) abusing him, whether to his face or not, c) continually being irritating
[01:40] <Gmail> bugzilla is loaded very slowly like its been slashdotted
[01:41] <Tsjoklat> daniels, got a minute?
[01:41] <daniels> Tsjoklat: sure
[01:41] (bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: also naming yourself after a webmail service which you have nothing to do with is a bit silly and annoying
[01:41] <Tsjoklat> daniels, we spoke the other day about UTF-8 and you adviced me, or Kamion, to add ISO in the locale.gen
[01:41] <Gmail> i use gmail and my uculs.... works at Google
[01:42] <Tsjoklat> daniels, this is causing me problems now... for example with gthumb and desktop background
[01:42] <Gmail> i guess i have something to do with it
[01:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: yes, but you don't ACTUALLY have anything to do with it
[01:42] <daniels> Gmail: i am going to ask you to please remain both polite and on topic, with reference to the ubuntu community charter.  you are demonstrating persistent failure to do either, and it is immensely frustrating and degrades the channel for many users.
[01:42] <rapha> Hey Kamion, my girlfriend wants to know how many employees Canonical has?
[01:42] <king_arthur> daniels: very true
[01:42] (Kamion/#ubuntu) rapha: about 35 I think
[01:42] (bob2/#ubuntu) Gmail: we all work for canonical and are not called "canonical" or "Ubuntu"
[01:42] <Gmail> what package to asign the bug to?
[01:42] <daniels> Kamion: 39 at last count
[01:43] <daniels> Gmail: what bug are you actually attempting to file?
[01:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: damn that Mark guy, he keeps hiring
[01:43] <Tsjoklat> ok I guess we are too busy dealing with Gmail again
[01:43] <rapha> Thanks Kamion
[01:43] <Gmail> the one Kamion told me to file
[01:43] <daniels> Tsjoklat: ok, sorry.  so what exactly did you do?  and what did you select as your default locale?
[01:43] <Tsjoklat> I'll ask for your help another time daniels
[01:43] <demon666_nl> How's the female participation here ?
[01:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: (can you call it ISO-8859-1 rather than ISO? there are lots of ISO-* encodings and just saying ISO is a bit confusing ...)
[01:44] <daniels> Gmail: file it on UNKNOWN and we'll attempt to triage it into something useful
[01:44] <Tsjoklat> daniels: sorry ISO-8859-1 I added to the UTF-8 line
[01:44] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you added it to the *UTF-8* line?
[01:44] <Tsjoklat> demon666_nl two I know off
[01:44] (Kamion/#ubuntu) can you put /etc/locale.gen up somewhere? it sounds mangled
[01:44] <Tsjoklat> yes you, Kamion and/or daniels adviced me that
[01:44] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: I *so* didn't, nor did daniels
[01:44] <jordi> Kamion: hey he doesn't hire me ;)
[01:45] <Tsjoklat> Kamion..... please
[01:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: I said that the en_US entry should have the ISO-8859-1 encoding
[01:45] <daniels> Tsjoklat: if you can put your /etc/locale.gen up somewhere, it would help us immensely
[01:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yep, agreed
[01:45] <Tsjoklat> daniels, where would you like me to do that?
[01:45] <daniels> Tsjoklat: if you don't have web space somewhere, you could email it to daniel.stone@canonical.com and cjwatson@canonical.com
[01:45] <jordi> jdub: saw the mail? Do you think anything else is needed?
[01:45] <Gmail> its a blocker as with out it you need to fix modconf and you will never do that
[01:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: no, it's not a blocker
[01:46] <Tsjoklat> alright... do you need the enviroment one too daniels?
[01:46] <daniels> Tsjoklat: these sorts of things are notoriously difficult to sort out, so as many exact details as possible will always help :)
[01:46] <daniels> Gmail: no, it's severity normal.  ubuntu is not useless without it.
[01:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: we'll downgrade if you file it at blocker
[01:46] <daniels> Tsjoklat: yeah, that would be good, thanks
[01:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: you can perfectly well load the module without modconf
[01:46] <Gmail> ohh
[01:46] <jdub> jordi: nup, that's fine, thanks
[01:47] <Gmail> forgot about that
[01:47] <Tsjoklat> daniels great thank you for the e-mail
[01:47] <jdub> jordi: unfort, i was hoping to put most of that stuff in the second week :|
[01:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (anyway, who says we'll *never* fix modconf? we just haven't ... somebody in the community who's interested could do it and send us the patch to the source package)
[01:47] <Gmail> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4058
[01:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: that isn't a bug report.
[01:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: supply details, man
[01:48] <Gmail> like?
[01:48] <daniels> Gmail: we need the output of lspci, the output of lspci -n, probably the output of dmesg also
[01:48] <daniels> Gmail: unfortunately we are not psychic, and while we like to think we are good at we do, we are not able to establish a mind meld with your computer from the other side of the world
[01:49] <Gmail> asus site says
[01:49] <daniels> Gmail: while not being specific saves you time, every detail you omit makes your bug report far less likely to be solved
[01:49] <daniels> Gmail: dude, lspci, lspci -n, dmesg
[01:49] <daniels> Gmail: without that we cannot solve the bug.
[01:50] <Gmail> what do you want
[01:50] <daniels> 13:50 < daniels> Gmail: dude, lspci, lspci -n, dmesg
[01:50] <Gmail> lspci -n
[01:50] <Gmail> or lspci
[01:50] <daniels> both.
[01:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) run those three commands, attach the three files
[01:50] <thoreauputic> Gmail: For heaven's sake - he just told you what he wants!
[01:51] <Gmail> all 3
[01:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: most people don't need this repeated four times
[01:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: please think, so that other users can use this channel too without quite so much noise
[01:53] <jordi> jdub: fuck!
[01:53] <Gmail> sent hell of a lot of info
[01:54] <daniels> Gmail: where?
[01:54] <Gmail> mid air coltion
[01:55] <Gmail> stupid bugzilla error
[01:55] <jdub> jordi: we can sort it out :)
[01:55] <Gmail> i crashed into someone
[01:55] <Gmail> ok pasted all that info
[01:55] <Gmail> ITS LONG
[01:55] <Gmail> 1000 lines +
[01:55] <demon666_nl> does anyone know how I get a VT6410 chip to work in a 2.6.x kernel ?
[01:56] <jordi> jdub: great ;)
[01:56] <Mayday> is gdesklets broken i hoary atm?
[01:56] <Gmail> someone is going to want to do some grep'ing on that report
[01:56] <daniels> Gmail: yes, we are familiar with the tool and will likely exercise it
[01:56] (Kamion/#ubuntu)         808624d5        sound   i810_audio      82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller
[01:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: what module did you have to load?
[01:57] <daniels> Kamion: discover1-dat ... er, yeah
[01:57] <daniels> Kamion: fools never differ
[01:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) demon666_nl: try 'modprobe sata_via'?
[01:58] <Gmail> i can't remember but one was ac'97 another one has i665 my chipset
[01:58] <Gmail> and one more
[01:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) demon666_nl: although I don't know if that chip is supported yet
[01:59] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: you'll need to remember
[01:59] <daniels> Gmail: if you can't tell us which module you needed to load, then we can't solve this bug of yours
[01:59] <daniels> Gmail: again, details are paramount
[02:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: I'm assuming that you're definitely using that PCI soundcard that's reported in the output you sent
[02:00] <rjek> Is it worth upgrading to hoary yet in order to test it a little, and report anything I find with it?
[02:00] <Gmail> Kamion: it took #alsa 17hr o figure out which one
[02:01] <Gmail> and they did it by probe all of them Till we fund which one it was
[02:01] <jordi> Gmail: afaik, alsa developers don't live in #alsa unfortunately.
[02:01] <Gmail> and removed the one that didn't seem to kill my sound
[02:01] <daniels> Gmail: unfortunately we don't, as jordi alluded to, live in #alsa
[02:02] <daniels> Gmail: if you can let us know what the fellows in #alsa said, that would be great.  we don't have a mind-meld to them, either.
[02:02] <daniels> Gmail: 'change it to something' isn't useful
[02:02] <Gmail> it was 5-6 months ago
[02:02] <jordi> Gmail: if you removed the module and sound kept going on, err, you rpobably were using either another soundcard, or another sound module.
[02:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: looks like discover1-data lists the OSS module
[02:02] <jordi> (I haven't read the bug report)
[02:02] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: should we be listing the corresponding ALSA module instead?
[02:03] <jordi> Gmail: have you ruled out that you might have OSS modules loaded?
[02:03] <daniels> Kamion: for 808624d5?
[02:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: yeah
[02:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) i810_audio is oss
[02:03] <daniels> Kamion: looks like snd-intel8x0 is the way to go
[02:03] <Gmail> jordi: if i had modconf i cound do what i did last time
[02:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) modconf doesn't help
[02:03] <Gmail> and thats was install every module i cound
[02:04] <daniels> Kamion: want me to take ubuntu3 doing a global i810_audio->snd-intel8x0?
[02:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want to randomly try them all, do so
[02:04] <jordi> Gmail: I haven't used modconf in like 4 years, forget the thing.
[02:04] <daniels> Gmail: does sound work now, or not?
[02:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: yeah; are we doing this for other drivers?
[02:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: sounds good to me
[02:04] <Gmail> daniels: you told me to proble something?
[02:04] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti.
[02:04] <daniels> Kamion: every one of them
[02:04] <daniels> Gmail: what?
[02:04] <jordi> Gmail: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4058 <<--- is this your bug report?
[02:04] <Gmail> sorry its past my bed time
[02:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) jordi: yes
[02:04] <jordi> ok
[02:05] <daniels> Kamion: looking at a quick grep, d1-data generally deals in OSS
[02:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: there's a few ALSA modules in there too, but yeah
[02:05] <daniels> Gmail: goodnight
[02:05] <cenerentola> daniels: i had some problems with warty security upgrades, after a synaptic smart upgrade && rebooting, gdm started in 640*480
[02:05] <daniels> Kamion: right, I'll ALSAify it today
[02:05] <cenerentola> gmail: goodnight
[02:05] <daniels> Kamion: just doing battle royale with l-r-m right now
[02:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: 'course, we're probably ditching it for PCI modules for hoary, but still :)
[02:05] <daniels> Kamion: heh
[02:06] <daniels> Kamion: we're hotplugging hoary, yeah?
[02:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yeah
[02:06] <cenerentola> daniels: when before it was 1200*800 or something like that...
[02:06] <daniels> cenerentola: did you change your configuration by hand before?
[02:06] <jordi> daniels, Kamion: is ubuntu using alsa-base at all?
[02:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: we are
[02:06] <daniels> bob2: dnbr
[02:06] <jordi> Kamion: and discover?
[02:06] <cenerentola> daniels: no but i used NVIDIA BINARies
[02:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) daniels: hm, modules.pcimap lists both snd-intel8x0 and i810_audio for 808624d5; what happens?
[02:07] <jordi> err, discover1 or discover2?
[02:07] <Gmail> is it possible for asus to provided the modules needed
[02:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: discover1
[02:07] <daniels> cenerentola: so you changed your configuration ...
[02:07] <jordi> nod
[02:07] <daniels> Kamion: phase of the moon, surely?
[02:07] <jordi> maybe it's the old alsa-base package that didn't have the discover1 blacklist. We added that more or less recently
[02:07] <daniels> Kamion: whichever one gets loaded first claims, and the other loses
[02:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Gmail: modprobe -r i810_audio; modprobe snd-intel8x0
[02:07] <daniels> Gmail: no
[02:07] <daniels> Gmail: if you execute the commands Kamion just told you, you should get working sound
[02:08] <cenerentola> daniels: could you please help me finding out the problem so i can write a little text to avoid this problems
[02:08] <jordi> if he removes the snd-intel8x0 module and sound kept working, it looks like OSS captured the hw to me
[02:08] <cenerentola> *s
[02:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: seems to me that it's not so much a discover1 blacklist that's needed as a list of replacements
[02:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) daniels: nice
[02:08] <jordi> Kamion: aha. Well, that if you complete want to rule out OSS.
[02:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: we have 1.0.5a-1ubuntu6 in warty, 1.0.6a-11 in hoary
[02:09] <jordi> I have a via82xx myself that isn't that new anymore and still only works with OSS
[02:09] <jordi> and this guy was using hoary?
[02:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: doubt it
[02:09] <Gmail> i have
[02:09] <jordi> Gmail: hoary?
[02:09] <Gmail> yes
[02:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: do you have a hotplug blacklist too?
[02:09] <jordi> ok, that makes things complicated.
[02:09] <jordi> Kamion: yes
[02:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: never mind, I just saw it in the changelog
[02:10] <Gmail> sound only worked in debian thanks to modconf
[02:10] <jordi> we're only missing discover2, becuase they added the discover.conf.d thing just yesterday or so.
[02:10] <daniels> jordi: really?  i have a via8233 and it works fine with alsa
[02:10] <jordi> and it's going to be not-so-trivial to add that blacklist. They chose to make simple things complicated.
[02:10] <jordi> daniels: it's just a very specific revision of the chip
[02:11] <jordi> I two other via82xx soundcards elsewhere and they work just ok.
[02:11] <jordi> It's just my mother's.
[02:11] <sfrank> hi all
[02:11] <jordi> daniels: let me dig a URL
[02:11] <cenerentola> daniels: will you do it?
[02:12] <Gmail> ok i have the sound applet loaded
[02:12] <ninja> anyone know why I'm getting 'Failed to connect to socket /tmp/fam-rossg-' a lot?
[02:12] <daniels> cenerentola: which problem?
[02:12] <daniels> cenerentola: sorry, not paying much attention to IRC right now
[02:13] <daniels> jordi: ahr, that sucks
[02:13] <cenerentola> daniels: have you got time or should i mail you, or simpl stfu?
[02:13] <queuetue> Hello.  I'm considering becoming a rhel/fedora convert to ubuntu, and possibly getting involved with the development community.  Does the geenral ubuntu community work hard to be friendly and inclusive, or is it just a name?  (It's Debian roots have me a little worried. :) )
[02:14] <daniels> cenerentola: which problem do you want to document?
[02:14] <Gmail> lol my speakers arn't pluged into power
[02:15] <cenerentola> its the second time that after a smart-upgrade... i have this kind of problem
[02:15] <jordi> daniels: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=118
[02:16] <jordi> daniels: I wish I could find the "datasheet" :)
[02:17] <jordi> I suspect the fix might be a two liner
[02:18] <daniels> that sucks! i have to login to view bugs?
[02:19] <queuetue> Where would I find the list of current packages and versions that ship with ubuntu?
[02:20] <jordi> daniels: doh, realyl?
[02:20] <jordi> no, there should be an anon login
[02:20] <jordi> well, yeah, you have to login as anonymous.
[02:20] <jordi> yay mantis.
[02:21] <cenerentola> daniels: afais this is not the right time, ill bother you later then ;)
[02:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: there are Packages.gz files on the mirrors that provide a complete index
[02:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: we have people working on a somewhat more user-friendly solution
[02:22] <jordi> Synaptic could easily show a table with that info, right?
[02:23] <the_one> hi everybody
[02:23] <cenerentola> since someone in the mailing said that nv driver are usable on a toshiba laptop, who can help me setting it up because i cant really say its a clear view..
[02:23] <cenerentola> ;)
[02:23] <robertj> has there been any further discussion on wheather to bring mono into the fold?
[02:23] <the_one> just upgraded to hoary
[02:23] <the_one> :))
[02:24] <the_one> works like a charm!
[02:24] <robertj> the_one: check out update-manager and gnome-app-install
[02:26] <the_one> robertj: thanks for noticing be about them...if these apps are doing what their name seems to tell me, it's even better than I have expected!:)
[02:26] <cenerentola> im in 1280*800, but its not clear..
[02:27] <cenerentola> graphics are not well defined...
[02:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jordi: right, but it's interesting for people who haven't installed yet too
[02:28] <the_one> how does the update-manager behave if I leave the universe repositories enabled? Will it mess with important stuff? Upgrading from where it shouldn't?
[02:28] <robertj> is there a gui option planned for "transparently take care of all my updates"
[02:28] <robertj> the_one: I think it just does a dist-upgrade
[02:29] <jdub> robertj: not transparently
[02:29] <the_one> robertj: is it ok if I left the universe repositories enabled?
[02:29] <robertj> yeah but it's going to get upgraded
[02:29] <robertj> so if that's okay...
[02:29] <robertj> jdub: why not?
[02:30] <the_one> maybe I don't need the update-manager yet..
[02:30] <jdub> robertj: because no one's proposed doing it, and thus far we just have notifications of updates.
[02:30] <robertj> I was thinking it was just shying away from system breakage
[02:31] <robertj> security updates would probably need to be tagged so that there could be different update configs
[02:32] <robertj> most users would probably only want to update things that opened themselves up for remote exploits
[02:32] <jordi> Kamion: nod
[02:33] <cenerentola> jdub: who's/are the wiki mantainer/s?
[02:33] <jdub> robertj: security updates are in a different component
[02:33] <jdub> cenerentola: no one in particular
[02:33] <robertj> jdub: really?
[02:33] <jdub> robertj: yes
[02:34] <cenerentola> jdub: because ive got some probs with the account
[02:35] <jdub> robertj: update manager lists all udpates available
[02:35] <robertj> jdub: so does ubuntu do non-security based updates to stable repositories?
[02:35] <robertj> I guess it's good for third party software
[02:35] <jdub> no
[02:35] <jdub> there's warty, warty-security and warty-updates
[02:35] <jdub> although we're not using -updates for warty for various reasons
[02:35] <cenerentola> ok.. ive installed ubuntu on a m30, it has a nvidia fx go5200, what driver should i use?
[02:36] <robertj> ohh, so warty-updates is kinda the backports.org of Ubuntu?
[02:36] <jdub> no
[02:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) cenerentola: nv, which will be selected automatically
[02:36] <jdub> we don't do that at all
[02:36] <jdub> warty-updates is non-security updates, generally important bugfixes, etc.
[02:36] <cenerentola> bob2: yep, you're right, but what i see on the screen is not really well defined..
[02:37] <robertj> which there won't be any of right ;)
[02:37] <Qo-noS> hmmm http://geeklog.eyesopened.nl/screenshots/screen.html ;-)
[02:37] <jdub> there have been -updates worthy updates already
[02:37] <the_one> does someone know if hoary will use the new debian installer?
[02:37] <cenerentola> bob2: its not readable
[02:37] <jdub> the_one: warty uses d-i
[02:37] <jdub> the_one: hoary will also use d-i
[02:37] <robertj> but for technical reasons they were either ignored or moved to warty?
[02:38] <jdub> robertj: they were put in warty-security (-updates wasn't listed in the default sources.list -> bug)
[02:38] <Qo-noS> think what the_one is asking is will Hoary be using RC2 of the d-i? right the_one?
[02:38] <robertj> ahh
[02:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Qo-noS: hoary already is, roughly
[02:39] <Qo-noS> ahh
[02:39] <cenerentola> http://pastebin.com/122980
[02:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) the_one: we merge regularly from Debian sid up until our upstream version freeze; after that we cherry-pick updates as required
[02:39] <cenerentola> bob2 : http://pastebin.com/122980
[02:39] <the_one> qo-noS: yes
[02:39] <robertj> hehe, I noticed talk of a gtk-installer get smacked down again ;)
[02:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) cenerentola: sorry, don't know enough about x to help
[02:39] (Kamion/#ubuntu) the_one: hoary already has some fairly radical changes from d-i though
[02:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) (and at work atm)
[02:40] (Kamion/#ubuntu) robertj: it was hardly smacked down
[02:40] <robertj> really?
[02:40] <Qo-noS> the_one: you have the answer now from kamion ;)
[02:40] (Kamion/#ubuntu) robertj: we just didn't have time to commit to doing it for hoary
[02:40] <the_one> Qo-noS: thanks m8
[02:40] (Kamion/#ubuntu) robertj: it's a huge job, six months is too short when other major changes have to happen too
[02:40] <cenerentola> bob2:anyway, thanks a lot
[02:40] <robertj> It doesn't seem to matter much. The supposed-experts at OSNews have got other favorited targets of derision.
[02:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu) the reviews of warty's installer have been pretty positive in general
[02:41] <kent> Kamion, will the up2date-kind of program be shipped with Hoary? I think i've seen a screenshot on planet.gnome about that. It looks very good.
[02:41] <robertj> Yeah, I've been real pleased. Except for the hostname thing (which we talked about earlier), and the partitioning, I don't think it could get any easier
[02:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent: no idea, I don't do desktop stuff
[02:42] <the_one> what do you guys think of autopackage? it first sounded great, but I didn't hear anything about it since months.
[02:42] <cenerentola> who does know when mozilla thunderbird will be released?
[02:42] <kent> Kamion, i managed to get my brother install warty on his computer (over the phone) and he is not realy a geek, so the warty installer is not that bad.
[02:42] <robertj> And, the partitioning step actually takes a little bit of understanding to do without screwing stuff up.
[02:42] <cenerentola> ..sorry i mean mt 1...
[02:42] <robertj> And if your willing to screw stuff up it is easy enough to nuake it and install
[02:43] <robertj> but my wife was quite confused about all this "Slave Business"
[02:43] <the_one> btw, has anyone read this fedora vs ubuntu @ http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8964 ??
[02:44] <robertj> yeah, pretty useless
[02:46] <robertj> OSNews is where you go when you compulsively read slashdot to such an extent that there is nothing left that is current so you read osnews anyway
[02:47] <the_one> there are so many redhat fans that switched to fedora after the discontinuation of the redhat desktop, and they are so pationatelly defending fedora. Just curious, what do they find so great about it?? Everytime I've looked into it it has been a bad experience. Bugs, unpolished, unstable...the list keeps on going.
[02:48] <robertj> It was initially very exciting. It had some new eye candy with the boot splashes, plug & play started to work, etc
[02:48] <robertj> But the development process lagged in getting the community involved
[02:49] <robertj> Anaconda is a great installer but the lack of a common upgrade processes is a major flaw
[02:49] <robertj> you can use yum and apt to upgrade but it's not really supported or tested
[02:49] <the_one> so the fedora fans enjoy troubleshooting all the time,is that it?
[02:51] <pisuke> fedora fanboys enjoy downloading iso CDs
[02:51] <the_one> :)
[02:52] <the_one> 5 iso for a buggy distro
[02:52] <the_one> what a waste
[02:52] <pisuke> but it's nice that in linuxland we have so many distros, imho.
[02:55] <birme> easy upgrading is the key to secure system IMHO
[02:59] <karakth> Ok
[02:59] <karakth> I've got a queuestion.
[03:00] <karakth> Would booting from a liveCD on a school computer break any of the following rule(s): Users are not allowed to install any software or change any settings without asking the technician first.
[03:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[03:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) but it doesn't matter, since they'll get annoyed at you anyway
[03:01] <karakth> :-/
[03:02] <karakth> This is a computer running windows and internet explorer without any anti-virus.
[03:02] <karakth> The only thing it can do is boot.
[03:02] <karakth> Nothing else works.
[03:02] <karakth> It's winsocks were deleted.
[03:03] <karakth> No-one uses it.
[03:03] <karakth> Hmm, when booting from the ubuntu liveCD, will I have to stay configuring the network each time?
[03:04] <the_one> karakth: make sure no-one's around :)
[03:04] <karakth> Well the Librarian's seventy-something.
[03:04] <karakth> Sometimes he mutters stuff when I open word.
[03:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) if the network uses dhcp, it will be setup automatically
[03:05] <the_one> bob2: schools and institutions usually have some fixed ips
[03:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) my uni hands out ips from their class B with dhcp on some nets
[03:06] <the_one> could have even MAC address restrictions
[03:06] <the_one> not that it would matter
[03:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, some bits have mac restrictions
[03:06] <kensai> are Gnoppix live cd and warty livecd exactly the same?
[03:07] <the_one> anyway, how is the ubuntu live cd? never tried it... is it good as a demo, I mean, does it offer at least the level of stability and consistenci that the hd install does?
[03:08] (bob2/#ubuntu) it's the sameish
[03:09] <karakth> I'm downloading the wart liveCD; I plan to distribute copies of it to my poor windows-using friends.
[03:09] <the_one> would it be possible to have a ubuntu live cd with xine, totem-xine and libdvdcss2??
[03:09] <the_one> ;)
[03:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you want
[03:09] <karakth> That is, if I find it's easy enough for my brother to use.
[03:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) but no company is going to distribute it
[03:10] <the_one> bob2: I guess I'd have to do it myself..
[03:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[03:10] <karakth> So, how easy is ubuntu to use?
[03:10] <kent> karakth, it was easy enough for my brother to install. I walked him through on the phone, it was mostly a couple of "press enter" and your fine.  But he did not want to use windows, i guess that made it more easy
[03:11] <netmonk> does anyone know how can I disable synchronizing the clock with ntp.ubuntuwhatever.org at boot time?
[03:12] <karakth> kent: Only going to give people some LiveCDs to whet their appetite for linux ;)
[03:12] <karakth> Many of my friends are still in denial and say that they're fine in Windows.
[03:12] <kensai>  09:03:12 up 160 days,  7:39,  0 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.15, 0.13
[03:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) netmonk: rm /etc/rcS.d/*ntpdate
[03:14] <kent> karakth, when my brother got ADSL his windows managed to be usable for about a week, after that the computer went on its knees, it was slow and often crashed.  Thats not so good for a operating system :)
[03:14] <karakth> kent: Any idea why it did that?
[03:16] <kent> karakth, spyware and stuff.  As he's not so good ad administration and stuff, he never understood how to use a firewall, get updates and stuff. Just install a few apps from the internet and the computer will go nuts..   :(
[03:17] <karakth> Ah
[03:18] <robertj> kent: I admin a bunch of boxen that run XP, as well has having 3 XP boxes at home with no problems.
[03:20] <kent> robertj, Well, yeah.. i never sad it was impossible, just that since my brother just wanted to use his computer, not admin it, HE thought windows was not good and wanted to try Linux.
[03:20] <saltair> update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[03:20] <gnobody> when did the CDs ship?
[03:21] <gnobody> I reinstalled Windows XP and NTLDR overwrote Grub how do I get Grub back??
[03:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) gnobody: the first set shipped a couple of weeks back
[03:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) people in europe are getting theirs already
[03:22] <gnobody> thanks bob2
[03:22] <kandinski> hey, does ubuntu-live have a networkboot-server?
[03:22] (bob2/#ubuntu) you mean tftpd?
[03:22] (bob2/#ubuntu) I doubt it very much
[03:22] <kandinski> knoppix's networkboot kernel does not reconginze my hard too well
[03:22] <kandinski> PXE, I think
[03:22] <kandinski> I am not very good, I admit
[03:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) erm, server != "network boot kernel"
[03:23] (bob2/#ubuntu) you want to boot ubuntu over the network?
[03:23] <kandinski> my tabletpc is not usb-bootable and has no cd
[03:23] <kent> gnobody, reboot using the ubuntu cd and run grub? perhaps you need to remount your harddrive as root before, dont know how to do that right now( / )
[03:24] <gnobody> I have a mepis live cd would that help?
[03:24] <gnobody> it can mount my drives
[03:24] <kandinski> I need to install debian by network-boot so
[03:24] (bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: what are you trying to do?
[03:24] <kandinski> install debian on my tabletpc
[03:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) gnobody: mount your /, chroot into it, run "grub-install"
[03:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: ok.  so you're asking if you can install ubuntu using PXE?
[03:25] <gnobody> k thanks bob
[03:25] <kandinski> yes and no
[03:25] <gnobody> Ill try that
[03:25] <netmonk> bob2, is that all?
[03:25] <kandinski> I want to install whatever debian, sarge or ubuntu
[03:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) netmonk: ?
[03:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: they can all install using PXE
[03:25] <kandinski> yes
[03:25] <kandinski> but I need to use ubuntu to boot it
[03:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) why?
[03:26] <kandinski> because I don t know enough debian to set up a server myeslf
[03:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) your hardware doesn't support PXE?
[03:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) oh, you don't have a server at all
[03:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) how could you boot anything then?
[03:27] <kandinski> ok:
[03:28] <kandinski> my tablet pc only boots off pxe. I don't know how to set up a server, so I usually do it via knoppix, but its kernel does not recognize my disk well. if ubuntu carries a preset pxe bootserver (as knoppix does) I would like to try it, as I think it recognizes my hardware.
[03:28] <kandinski> I have a second pc.
[03:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) how do you boot knoppix on it to begin with?
[03:29] <kandinski> it craps out halfway
[03:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) blah
[03:29] <kandinski> boots but does not recongize IDE
[03:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) how do you boot *anything* on it?
[03:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) you don't have a pxe server
[03:30] <kandinski> so that is why I ask whether ubuntu carries PXE server
[03:30] <kandinski> as knoppix does
[03:30] <kandinski> pc+knoppix==pxe server, just not good enough
[03:31] <kandinski> so my question is:
[03:31] <kandinski> pc+ubuntu==pxe server? (then I find out if it is good enough)
[03:31] (sladen/#ubuntu) kandinski: that's a good idea.  Could you file a WISHLIST item on bugzilla.ubuntu.com ?
[03:31] <kandinski> question: does ubuntu-live carry a pxe server?
[03:31] <kandinski> yes, I will do that
[03:32] <kandinski> thanks both of you
[03:35] <kent> by the way, Ubuntu added som strings to Gnome that are not translated (not to swedish at least), are they beeing worked on for Hoary? It seems a bit weird to not translate them, since they dont seem to so many of them..
[03:35] <demon666_nl> Does anyone know how to get a PATA RAID working using a VIA VT6410 chip in kernel 2.6.x ?
[03:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) kent: patches welcome! ;-)
[03:36] <the_one> bye guys, gotta go
[03:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) demon666_nl: sure it's real raid?
[03:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) adios
[03:36] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: you should be able to install tftpd-hpa while running the live CD; I believe it's possible to install additional packages into the ramdisk
[03:37] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: extra packages wouldn't fit on the live CD itself, but try installing it over the network
[03:39] <[A] ndy80> hi
[03:39] <[A] ndy80> where can I find the ncurses-devel ? I need them to make menuconfig, recompiling kernel
[03:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) libncurses5-dev
[03:40] <[A] ndy80> tnx :)
[03:42] <kent> bob2, do ubuntu keep track of strings they have changed, and if they are accepted upstreams? if accepted upstream, i guess they will be translated in time..
[03:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent: a lot of string changes are branding changes, unfortunately
[03:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kent: which obviously can't be accepted upstream
[03:48] <kandinski> Kamion
[03:48] <kandinski> the point of knoppix-terminalsever (or the future Ubuntu-terminalserver) is that people like me can use it without knowing much
[03:48] <kandinski> if I could install and configure tftpd-hpa or whatnot I would be rolling my own
[03:49] <kandinski> Kamion: two predecing lines are for you
[03:49] <kandinski> kamion: the reason I am going the ubuntu way is I have been told your kernels are the best
[03:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: a terminal server derivative of the live CD would be cool
[03:50] <kandinski> kamion: couldn't it be the same CD?
[03:50] <kandinski> kamion: how much space can this take?
[03:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) it can start out as a derivative and then get merged back in once it's been shown to work
[03:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) the live CD is unbelievably close to its space limits, I understand
[03:51] <kandinski> priorities priorities
[03:51] <kandinski> make 8-inch cds
[03:51] <kandinski> heh
[03:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I don't do anything live-CD-related myself, but lamont was trying to work out what to cut out just before the warty release
[03:54] <zenwhen> I wasnt a live cd really bad
[03:54] <zenwhen> want*
[03:54] <zenwhen> I hope those free cds come soon.
[03:55] <kandinski> anyway, you coming to Matar?
[03:55] <kandinski> any of you?
[03:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) yup
[03:55] <kandinski> good!
[03:56] <kandinski> I am looking for a really cheep penion
[03:56] <zenwhen> Whats that?
[03:56] <kandinski> pension, sorry
[03:56] <kandinski> guesthouse
[03:56] <kandinski> to stay in. looking forward to meeting you people.
[03:57] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (pension in English means what you get paid after you retire)
[03:57] <kandinski> yes, I am incredibly thick today
[03:57] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen :)
[03:57] <kandinski> (have not slept in order to meet a deadline)
[03:58] <kandinski> in any case, I assume you guys will be staying at the main hotel, but if anyone needs a rilly cheap place, I am in Spain and looking for one for myself, so if you need a place just ask
[03:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) there're some suggestions in the wiki
[04:00] <kandinski> not cheap enough ;)
[04:00] <kandinski> I will just add the one I find to the wiki
[04:00] <kandinski> something with just a bed, shared facilities is ok
[04:03] <ddepiano> Hey folks I've installed php, mysql, and apache as well as mod-php and php-mysql, but when I access a page I get a mysql_connect() function undefined error.  Is there something else I need to install?
[04:03] <queuetue> ubuntu still uses xfree86?  Is there a repository I can use to switch that to xorg?
[04:03] <mercurus> ddepiano, php-pear ?
[04:04] <sfrank> win 3
[04:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) queuetue: hoary uses x.org, warty xfree86
[04:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) ddepiano: you're using apache1?
[04:04] <ddepiano> bob2: no apache2
[04:04] <queuetue> bob2, is hoary released?
[04:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: April 2005
[04:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) ddepiano: libapache2-mod-php4 is what you need
[04:04] <ddepiano> bob2: I have that installed
[04:05] <queuetue> So, ubuntu will use the xfree86 server until April?
[04:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: the stable release, yes
[04:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) queuetue: ubuntu's stable release, yes
[04:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: we've already switched the development release; people are welcome to use that if they want to be beta testers
[04:05] <queuetue> This really is debian under the covers, isn't it? ;)
[04:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah, 6 month release cycles and all
[04:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) well, hopefully our X.org packaging will be going back to Debian ...
[04:06] <queuetue> Kamion, a) Is that as simple as switching apt repositories and dist-upgrading and b) how stable is the development release?
[04:07] <daniels> Kamion: eventually, yes
[04:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) queuetue: a) yes
[04:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: b) varies
[04:08] <xukun> guys is there an easy way of instaling freenx without upgrading to hoary. If I do that I get "freenx: Depends: nxagent
[04:08] <xukun> Depends: nxproxy"
[04:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I mean, we try not to make it totally eat everything, but we can't guarantee anything, particularly while we're automatically syncing from Debian unstable
[04:10] <queuetue> That's really terrible - I had great feelings for ubuntu, but if you run 6 months out of date...  I was hoping it was a current, friendlier debian.
[04:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) o/~ come on baby troll me harder
[04:10] <kandinski> queuetue, heh
[04:11] <kandinski> bo, you are missing the ikea key to assemble the quavave: 
[04:11] <kandinski> quaver
[04:11] <kandinski> bob2, I mean
[04:12] <jdub> queuetue: ?
[04:12] <jdub> queuetue: are you serious?
[04:12] <kandinski> damn, I am really thick today. Ok, guys, leaving the tablet now, see you in Matar.
[04:12] <queuetue> jdub, completely.  I'll agree it's better than the years that debian trails moden distros, but 6 months is forever in open source development...  And still on xfree86 - you're like a year behind many distros there.
[04:13] <daniels> queuetue: are you suggesting that we release every day?
[04:13] <jdub> queuetue: six months for a stable, supported release is better than every other distro.
[04:13] <jdub> queuetue: we chose not to go with xorg for our first release because there was so much else to do -> we chose stability over freshness.
[04:13] <queuetue> daniels, Not every day, just a lot more frequently.  Nm, I'm not here to complain or cause problems.  I just had different expectations.
[04:14] <[A] ndy80> how can I configure sound under Ubuntu? I've SBLive128, it's recognized, but I can't ear any sound
[04:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: what were you expecting? monthly?
[04:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: I'm serious; I'm amazed you're expecting releases more than every six months to be quality *and* for us to get anything else done ...
[04:14] <jdub> queuetue: it's hard enough stabilising and supporting a distro released every six months. :-)
[04:15] <queuetue> Kamion, a lot of other distros maintain a stable platform and also release packages as they pass testing.
[04:15] <daniels> queuetue: that's what hoary is for -- it's our development branch.
[04:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: X.org doesn't actually provide much new yet anyway; we backported most of the driver patches to XFree86.
[04:15] <daniels> queuetue: and it's public access.
[04:15] <queuetue> Like I said, NM.  I don't want to be seen as just complainig.
[04:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (for warty)
[04:15] <xukun> [A] ndy80, cat /proc/asound/cards
[04:15] <xukun> show me that
[04:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: the compositing stuff is all very new and not so well-integrated yet
[04:16] <queuetue> daniels, I wa sjust told that hoary isn't stable enough for regular use (stability ..varies I think was said.)
[04:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) stability of system is different from stability of distribution
[04:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) the first is "doesn't crash", the second is "doesn't change"
[04:17] <daniels> queuetue: you'll note that every other distribution disclaims their development branches similarly; the only thing you can realistically support is a release, which we're doing faster than everyone else.
[04:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) the bulk of problems with hoary will be on upgrade
[04:17] <jdub> hoary is fairly robust, but it is not stable. warty is robust and stable. :-)
[04:17] (edd/#ubuntu) and rocking.
[04:18] <seb128> speaking about stability, new nautilus bonobo-slayed ready to upload :p
[04:18] <jdub> queuetue: hoary is 'dogfoodable'.
[04:18] <queuetue> This conversation sounds really familiar - this really is debian, isn't it. :)  I'm going to leave because I'll soon incite everyone to riot.
[04:18] <queuetue> Good luck with ubuntu.
[04:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) queuetue: if you're determined to see us that way, I'm sure you will, and you're welcome to it. :-)
[04:20] <daniels> edd: dude!
[04:21] <tyrano> hey
[04:21] <tyrano> what do i need for 3ddesktop o_O
[04:21] <tyrano> fglx ?
[04:21] (bob2/#ubuntu) Neill: and servers!
[04:21] <jdub> Neill: (but then, it's not desktop only)
[04:22] <kandinski> Debian with a sane freeze process and release schedule
[04:22] <daniels> tyrano: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:23] <user__> howdy
[04:23] <tyrano> ;O
[04:24] <kandinski> I don't know about the technical part, but the above is my impression as J. Random User
[04:24] <Wave> ubuntu is pretty groovy
[04:24] <Wave> but Ive one problem
[04:24] <kandinski> ah, and no hungups about only supporting the arches 99% of people really use
[04:24] <kandinski> people running linux on s/390's would not really need somethink like ubuntu anyway
[04:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) the extra archjes in debian don't hold up releases very much
[04:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) imho
[04:25] <kandinski> (am I right? I am just guessing that is the drive)
[04:25] (Kamion/#ubuntu) bob2's right
[04:25] <tyrano> sweet daniels, will that make DRI and hardware acceleration worktoo?
[04:25] <kandinski> bob, Kamion, but do you realise that is the impression some of us get?
[04:25] <Wave> when I enter a dns server in /etc/resolv.conf it seems to disappear after a period of time
[04:25] (bob2/#ubuntu) kandinski: yes
[04:26] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: we all know people get that impression, but it really isn't what's happening
[04:26] <davmor2> can anyone help I'm a newbie to linux and have a problem shuting down my pc it comes up with the line acpi_power_off called and stops but doesn't actually power off
[04:26] <kandinski> then what does hold up the releases, do you think?
[04:26] <jdub> Kamion: tends to keep debian off the bleeding edge here and there, though (kernel, glibc, etc)
[04:26] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: with respect, not really
[04:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: new glibc breaks just as badly on i386
[04:27] <daniels> tyrano: should do, but it's a little difficult to get working
[04:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) jdub: (not specifically, just in general)
[04:27] <daniels> kandinski: (noting at this point that Kamion is a member of Debian's release team)
[04:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: serialisation, usually; stuff that one person needs to do depends on stuff somebody else needs to do which depends on stuff somebody else needs to do, and the person at the end of the chain is working in their spare time
[04:28] <kandinski> (no offense meant, just talking out loud to refine my impressions of Debian)
[04:28] <kandinski> Kamion: so the Ubuntu system is better because the buck stops at someone paid to do it?
[04:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) then when the last person gets their job done the next one up has gone on holiday
[04:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) etc.
[04:29] <wood1> Is there an option in Evolution which enables us to create different Mail Accounts just like that in Thunderbird ?
[04:29] <jdub> kandinski: the stopped bucks are better distributed :)
[04:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Debian has a bit of a maintainer-lock problem, which we've just totally bypassed; that helps
[04:29] <Wave> can anyone point me in the direction of adding a dns suffix in please :)
[04:29] <jdub> wood1: in the settings, you can add any number of new mail accounts
[04:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) but really it's just increased coordination
[04:29] (bob2/#ubuntu) suffix to what?
[04:30] <Wave> resolve addresses
[04:30] <kandinski> Kamion, and what about the "Ubuntu will not scale to 10.000 packages" meme?
[04:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) Wave: /etc/resolv.conf
[04:30] (bob2/#ubuntu) "search foo.com"
[04:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: there's a reason the Ubuntu core developers aren't planning to attempt to support universe
[04:30] <xukun> davmor2, you need the apm module, I think its samething like" modprobe apm
[04:30] <riffic> this war is not winnable
[04:30] <xukun> not sure
[04:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: we'll see how it goes as new community developers come online to do that work
[04:31] (bob2/#ubuntu) xukun: are you sure davmor2 needs it?
[04:31] <wood1> jdub, what I meant was that I want my different Email Accounts to have it's own folders and settings
[04:31] (lamont/#ubuntu) Kamion: the liveCD contains ~80-100MB of WinFOSS, which could certainly go.
[04:31] <wood1> Just like Thunderbird
[04:31] (lamont/#ubuntu) but it's at 646MB, of the 650 permitted
[04:31] <xukun> davmor2, ist an old pc?
[04:31] (Kamion/#ubuntu) lamont: true, but that's a big feature to lose ...
[04:31] <daniels> lamont: ah, dude!
[04:31] <jdub> wood1: for anything other than pop, yes.
[04:32] <jdub> wood1: they'll be in separate trees
[04:32] <daniels> lamont: do we have any ia64 boxes set up I could get an X test build spinning 'round on?
[04:32] <jdub> wood1: but pop comes in to your local box
[04:32] <davmor2> xukun amd athlon 2000xp self built
[04:32] <kandinski> what is WinFOSS?
[04:32] <xukun> bob2, no I,m not, its just that I had the same problem with my pc, and you told me to add that module
[04:32] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: at the same time, we couldn't possibly do what we're doing without Debian; no way could we have written the installer ourselves, for example
[04:32] <jdub> kandinski: windows free software apps
[04:33] <jdub> debian is our ROCK
[04:33] <xukun> davmor2, then I dont think you need that module
[04:33] <f_favila> davmor2,  have you tried "halt -p" in a shell?
[04:34] <krischan> Hello everyone.
[04:34] (sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: I really like the WinFOSS stuff;  I think it's an important (and unique) feature than shouldn't be lost, if possible
[04:34] <davmor2> how do I remove a module and do I need to reconfigure if so how?
[04:35] <tyrano> it didnt work :(
[04:35] <kandinski> jdub: ah, in Spain we like it with an L for"libre"": FLOSS
[04:35] (lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: right.  but for a derivative, there is space to do stuff as well
[04:35] (sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: ah yes, indeed
[04:36] (lamont/#ubuntu) daniels: dunno if the ia64 porting machine is there yet, but if you have source for me, I could task one of the buildd's, as long as we're still in bootstrap mode, I guess.
[04:36] <davmor2> xukun how do I remove a module and do I need to reconfigure if so how?
[04:37] <krischan> It seems I have a serious problem with my X server. At startup I get a message that goes "There already appears to be an X server running on display :0 ...".
[04:37] <daniels> lamont: will I be able to get the build tree afterwards?
[04:37] (sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: maybe that should even be documented (''ensuring Ubuntu keepes the 100MB of Windows stuff ensures that derivities will always have 100MB of free space'')
[04:37] <zenwhen> hi Tsjoklat
[04:37] <zenwhen> :)
[04:37] <Tsjoklat> :)
[04:38] <zenwhen> how goes it this morning?
[04:38] (lamont/#ubuntu) kandinski: www.theopencd.org
[04:38] <tyrano> anyone know how i can rememedy this
[04:38] <tyrano> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:38] <tyrano> 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
[04:38] <Tsjoklat> digesting my breakfast zenwhen... then have to tackle the removal of my homedir... you?
[04:38] <krischan> I only can start up X by logging in over a console, then 'sudo rm /tmp/.X0-lock' and then 'startx'. Everytime I reboot the machine the problem appears again.
[04:38] (lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: I don't know that it's guaranteed to remain, but we do want to keep it.
[04:38] (bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: you're using k3b?
[04:39] <zenwhen> eating an egg, wondering why you are removing your homedir
[04:39] (lamont/#ubuntu) in fact, that's where the give came for the warty CD (was at 656MB or so, until we removed Celestia from the WinFOSS component)
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> gthumb hates me as of late
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> so does changing background
[04:39] <Tsjoklat> has to do with that blasted utf8
[04:39] <krischan> bob2: Yes, but not recently.
[04:39] <RubenV> Tsjoklat: it's not blasted
[04:39] <RubenV> it's blessed
[04:39] <RubenV> if it works :)
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> good argumentation Ruben :)
[04:40] <zenwhen> ;-;
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> but  yeah it is either moving redoing homedir zenwhen or reinstalling
[04:40] <ACEa> is it worth going from Debian unstable/experimental to Ubuntu ?
[04:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: are you running other X apps as root?
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> hey mercurus_
[04:40] <RubenV> ACEa: yes
[04:40] <zenwhen> I havent had a single issue with Ubuntu that I actually had to troubleshoot yet.
[04:40] <RubenV> definitly
[04:41] <ACEa> RubenV what is better in ubuntu ? at the moment
[04:41] <zenwhen> Most things were issues I saw in a howto before I got the the point of noticing them.
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> waa
[04:41] <zenwhen> to*
[04:41] (sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: depending on OOo translations on the CD, I managed to scrap back 50MB-100MB before by evil fiddling.  Might have a look at that in Spain again
[04:41] <mercurus_> gah, got ISDN modem replaced because it wasn't connecting ... and now I have attrocious packet loss :x
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen my problem all started when I changed from ISO to UTF
[04:41] <zenwhen> OH
[04:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you do know that X.org has UTF-8 problems, I hope
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> I do
[04:41] <zenwhen> Bad gir; >:(
[04:41] <zenwhen> l
[04:41] (Kamion/#ubuntu) as I believe has been mentioned before :)
[04:41] (lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: korean fonts will give you about 14MB more.. :-)
[04:41] <RubenV> ACEa: it fits together
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> heaps of them
[04:42] <zenwhen> lmarf
[04:42] <davmor2> can any one tell me please how do I remove a module and do I need to reconfigure if so how?
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> :)
[04:42] (sladen/#ubuntu) lamont: another option would be only shipping the Win32 on the pressed-CDs, where 80-85 minute CD aren't a problem
[04:42] (Kamion/#ubuntu) Tsjoklat: unlikely to be lots of them, just a couple of things that manifest in lots of places
[04:42] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sladen: you suggested that for install CDs, too ... I'd advance the same argument against :)
[04:42] <Tsjoklat> ok correction: it has heaps of issues in lots of places
[04:42] (lamont/#ubuntu) sladen: these CD's are pressed CD's.  and the limit was 650MB...  Using bigger CD's is certainly an option..
[04:43] <krischan> bob2: Like what? I'm not completely sure, but I don't think so.
[04:43] <zenwhen> I need to get one of those little 3 inch cd's for this: http://www.sysresccd.org/systools.en.php
[04:43] (bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: like anything that you ran as root with su
[04:43] (sladen/#ubuntu) Kamion: I think it
[04:44] (sladen/#ubuntu) Kamion: I think it's a possiblity on the livecd since that's a pre-installed image---I agree it's maybe nuts for the installed CD
[04:44] <krischan> bob2: Well, I recently updated Ubuntu from Warty to Hoary over a root console, besides that I always use 'sudo'.
[04:44] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sladen: I think the main point is: surely you don't propose that the first testing of the actual live CD as released should be with a pressed CD? :)
[04:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) rolling testing is important
[04:45] <zenwhen> Whats being discussed? The hoary liveCD?
[04:46] <wood1> I see
[04:46] (sladen/#ubuntu) Kamion: most people are probably burning onto 80minute CDs anyway.  The win32 part could be added at the last minute---it'd actually keep the size of the ISOs down for the testers
[04:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sladen: my debian-cd mailbox disagrees
[04:47] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you're also assuming that the testers aren't interested in the win32 part
[04:47] <RubenV> i burn on cdrw
[04:47] <RubenV> and those are 650
[04:47] (bob2/#ubuntu) I'm not even sure where to buy 70 minute cds anymore
[04:48] <kandinski> sorry, phone
[04:48] <zenwhen> I cant buy them anywhere.
[04:48] <RubenV> also, i'm not sure if all systems handle those big cds well
[04:48] <kandinski> what is the rationale for including winfoss in a linux cd?
[04:48] <kandinski> I mean, can't win people find their own FLOSS?
[04:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: it's a live CD, so it's the sort of thing you take with you to demonstrate stuff
[04:48] <daniels> kandinski: get people who don't want to jump over to ubuntu just yet introduced to open source products like firefox and openoffice
[04:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: so it's nice if you can drop it into a Windows machine and have the applications demonstrated
[04:49] <kandinski> ok, so you can demonstrate interoperation and that
[04:49] <zenwhen> The thought is that getting a taste of open source software and becoming aclimated to using it will make the transition to linux easier.
[04:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kandinski: since applications are what real people *actually* care about
[04:49] <krischan> bob2: I just checked how many GDMs I have running by 'ps waux | grep gdm'. There apperas to be running to times '/usr/bin/gdm'. Could that be the problem?
[04:49] <kandinski> yep, it is not for people who would use them but for advocates to demonstrate
[04:49] (Kamion/#ubuntu) right
[04:49] <kandinski> funny rationale, I was thinking as a USER!
[04:49] <kandinski> heh, but I understand it as well
[04:49] (bob2/#ubuntu) krischan: don't know, sorry, try asking on the user list
[04:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) well, I'm thinking of the majority of computer users; there are certainly exceptions
[04:50] <krischan> bob2: I'll do that, seems to be an interesting problem. Thanks for breaking your head over it anyway! :)
[04:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I suspect we're still at a point where most people on this channel are not typical users :)
[04:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) you're welcome, sorry I've got no idea :)
[04:51] <hbillo_> hellow all
[04:51] <daniels> jdub's mum does not lurk on #ubuntu ;)
[04:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) haha
[04:52] <hbillo_> some one can give me a burning software that i can install on hoary ?
[04:52] (bob2/#ubuntu) nautilus can burn cds
[04:52] <zenwhen> typical users? typical users dont use irc for anything but movies and mp3s.
[04:52] <kandinski> yes, I am only halfway typical
[04:52] <kent> hbillo_, k3b?
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> oh is that what I am suppose to be doing zenwhen
[04:53] <zenwhen> yes, that and making :* faces and flirting with boys.
[04:53] <zenwhen> o;
[04:53] <zenwhen> jk ;)
[04:54] <xukun> my lspci shows this card: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF. Do I need to install the ati drivers or this should do?
[04:54] <daniels> xukun: the ati drivers don't support your card; the ones you already have support your card's full capabilities
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> brb
[04:56] <xukun> daniels, its just that its: 1285 frames in 5.0 seconds = 257.000 FPS
[04:56] <xukun> bit too slow
[04:57] <daniels> the r128 is not a speedy card
[04:57] <daniels> and glxgears is a bad benchmark
[04:57] <daniels> don't ever use it as a benchmark, unless you can tell the difference and watch it often
[04:57] <daniels> use how well it goes in games you play or whatever instead
[04:57] <daniels> far more useful
[04:57] <xukun> I see
[04:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) a r128 is like the trident of the 21st century
[04:59] <xukun> bob2, I wont be playing any games on this machine, so I think its ok
[04:59] <daniels> xukun: so why do you mind? :)
[04:59] <xukun> daniels, never mind now
[05:00] <xukun> after upgrading to hoary to I need to remove the xfree staff?
[05:01] <tyrano> :|
[05:01] <tyrano> can i upgrade just xorg instead of entire hoary tree ;O
[05:02] <Gwildor|GoingHom> new ubuntu based live cd out
[05:03] <tyrano> i must make 3ddesktop work :|
[05:03] <daniels> tyrano: why do you want xorg?
[05:03] <daniels> xukun: you should, yes
[05:03] <Gwildor|work> tis called beatrix
[05:03] <tyrano> because i cannot get dri to work :|
[05:03] <daniels> tyrano: if you're running ati, you won't get fglrx working on xorg
[05:03] <daniels> only xfree8y6
[05:03] <tyrano> because my card is too new ;O
[05:03] <tyrano> oh
[05:03] <tyrano> ;[
[05:03] <tyrano> so...i cant have 3ddesktop then :(
[05:05] <tyrano> oh i see
[05:06] <tyrano> i must wait until ati releases a driver for x.org 6.8 :|
[05:06] <tyrano> how sad
[05:08] <TheHorse13> can anyone tell me if ubuntu has a service manager like chkconfig in RedHat?
[05:09] <Neill> is there any easy way (like a meta-package thingy) to get from a custom install to a normal install.
[05:09] <Neill> e.g install the desktop
[05:10] <daniels> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:11] <TheHorse13> would that fux0r the synaptic method?
[05:11] <daniels> 'the synaptic method'?
[05:11] <TheHorse13> ive seen the command line apt-get cause the smart update in synaptic update
[05:11] <TheHorse13> to get all silly
[05:12] <Neill> daniels: thanks
[05:13] <TheHorse13> anyway, can anyone tell me the easiest method to enable/disable services in ubuntu? im not a debian user and im a RH migrator
[05:13] <daniels> TheHorse13: should be fine
[05:13] <TheHorse13> k
[05:13] <TheHorse13> in YOPER it got confused and caused major conflicts
[05:13] <TheHorse13> one of the reasons im testing ubuntu now
[05:15] <TheHorse13> hmmm
[05:15] <TheHorse13> anyone?
[05:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) sysv-rc-conf
[05:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) update-rc.d
[05:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) rcconf
[05:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) ksysc
[05:16] (bob2/#ubuntu) gnome service manager
[05:16] <TheHorse13> ahhh
[05:16] <TheHorse13> excellent
[05:16] <TheHorse13> thanks
[05:26] <dimgr> does ubuntu become simply debian after an install? its has gnome but it will let me install fluxbox manually right... ?
[05:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) no, it becomes ubuntu
[05:27] (bob2/#ubuntu) and yes
[05:28] <linux_mafia> speaking of controlling services, any of you guys use file-rc ?
[05:37] <ploum> Hi
[05:38] <ploum> anybody know how to use transset ? There's no man page
[05:38] <king_arthur> ploum: Hi, what's transset? :-)
[05:38] <daniels> ploum: run it, click on a window you want to make transparent or opaque
[05:38] <daniels> marvel as it becomes transparent or opaque, if you're running a compositing manager
[05:39] <FireCat> Has anyone here ever used the resolvconf package?
[05:39] <ploum> king_arthur, the new toy provided by daniels for hoary's geeks
[05:39] <RubenV> cool trick:
[05:39] <ploum> Thx daniels , I wasn't running xcompmgr
[05:39] <RubenV> transset -c
[05:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) xcompmgr is not built on ppc yet
[05:39] (bob2/#ubuntu) shock/horror
[05:39] <RubenV> or is it xcompmgr -c
[05:39] <king_arthur> ploum: what does it do?
[05:40] (Kamion/#ubuntu) bob2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xcompmgr/1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2/xcompmgr_1.1.1+cvs.20041109-0ubuntu2_20041124-1406-powerpc-successful
[05:40] <daniels> bob2: wfm on i386
[05:40] <Gwildor|work> bob2, how do you manage to be so active in 2 rooms?
[05:40] (Kamion/#ubuntu) it seems to be built
[05:40] (bob2/#ubuntu) hrm, guess I should apt-get update before sniping
[05:41] <ploum> king_arthur, it makes your windows transparent
[05:41] <ploum> daniels, thx, it works :-)
[05:41] <daniels> ploum: no worries
[05:41] <ploum> But there's a bug (maybe) with xcompmgr
[05:41] <king_arthur> I see, same as on the mac OSX...
[05:41] <ploum> When you use xcompmgr, windows can overlap the gnome-panel
[05:42] <ploum> (even if you stop xcompmgr)
[05:43] <daniels> ploum: yah, known bug
[05:43] <ploum> ok, thank you
[05:47] <ploum> is it a way to specify to all nautilus et xterm must always be transparent ?
[05:48] <[A] ndy80> hi, I've a problem with my soundcard. I've a soundblaster live! How can I configure it under ubuntu?
[05:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) it should be already configured
[05:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) why do you think it isn't?
[05:49] <[A] ndy80> because I cannot ear any sound
[05:49] <suchit> I am having problems doing an aptitude install qmail - 0 packages found...i have already updated aptitude and received most packages
[05:49] <[A] ndy80> I play an mp3 or a .ogg with xmms
[05:49] <[A] ndy80> and I ear nothing
[05:49] (bob2/#ubuntu) suchit: qmail isn't in ubuntu
[05:49] (bob2/#ubuntu) or debian
[05:50] <ploum> [A] ndy80, do you have any error ?
[05:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) or any other distro, really
[05:50] <suchit> same error with sendmail
[05:50] <[A] ndy80> ploum: no errors
[05:50] <ploum> It's funny to play with transparency AND expocity
[05:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) sendmail isn't in main
[05:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) ubuntu's default MTA is postfix
[05:50] <kent> how do i make it so that i can su to root in a normal way? which file is it i should edit?
[05:50] <[A] ndy80> it seems that xmms is playing it (I see the waves on display)
[05:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) suchit: ye gods, pick the two worst MTAs out there, why don't you? :)
[05:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) which you already have installed
[05:50] <ploum> [A] ndy80, are you sur the sound is not mutted ?
[05:50] <gen> mutted
[05:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) kent: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:50] <jpvcx> ploum: i agree
[05:51] <suchit> Well i have to install an MTA as a relay host please suggest
[05:51] (bob2/#ubuntu) suchit: you have postfix installed already
[05:51] (Kamion/#ubuntu) postfix is already installed; you could configure it
[05:51] <suchit> ok thanks...let me try! :)
[05:51] <ploum> kent, no file to edit
[05:51] <[A] ndy80> ploum: it's not mute
[05:51] <ploum> just set a password for root
[05:52] <ploum> [A] ndy80, run alsamixer in a console. Do you see any MM on top of bars ?
[05:52] <MagicFab> I'd like to install freepops, available for Debian at http://freepops.sourceforge.net/en/download-linux.shtml
[05:52] <kent> bob2, sudo -s   whas the thing i was looking for. thanks.
[05:53] <MagicFab> how can I determine which repository  is appropriate ?
[05:53] (bob2/#ubuntu) man it'd be great if people got stuff uploaded into Debian instead of making random unsupported repositories
[05:54] <[A] ndy80> ploum: now it works, I used gnomemixer.
[05:54] <MagicFab> it's making its way, as you may read on the link I just provided
[05:54] <ploum> [A] ndy80, glad that it works
[05:55] <MagicFab> Not sure why it's not there yet... that's why I am asking :D
[05:55] <Moof> geesh, the conference is going on a bit long
[05:55] (bob2/#ubuntu) 2 weeks is long??
[05:56] <kent> Im trying to mount an iso with "mount -o loop blaha.iso /home/user/tmp/ but i get an error about "not a directory" from mount. Why? I translated the message from swedish to english..
[05:56] <kent> I know that directory exists.
[05:56] <Moof> bob2: keeping in mind that some of us have to take holiday time to go, then yes
[05:56] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: only go for part of it
[05:57] (bob2/#ubuntu) kent: ls -ld /home/user/tmp/
[05:57] <Moof> bob2: probably. I'll see what train fares are like
[05:57] <[A] ndy80> thanks anyway
[05:57] <Moof> are there any particular days that big things are going on?
[05:57] <[A] ndy80> :)
[05:58] (bob2/#ubuntu) there's a semi-schedule on the wiki
[05:59] <Moof> yeah
[05:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) hm, hasn't been finalised yet
[05:59] <Moof> ah well
[05:59] <kent> bob2, drwxr-xr-x    2 madhawks madhawks  ...    I should be able to mount it to a normal directory shouldn't i?
[05:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) suck
[05:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[05:59] <Moof> I'll look next week. if I see soemthing that peaks my interest, then I'll probably take a train down
[05:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) are you root?
[06:00] <Moof> ok, how UTF-8able is warty?
[06:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) mostly
[06:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) but not supportably
[06:00] <kent> bob, yes. im root. i used sudo -l
[06:01] <Moof> cos I'm tryign to build a samba file server. And it serves files with spanish file names.
[06:01] <dimgr> how is ubuntu different than other debian distros?
[06:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: that should be fine
[06:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: 6 month release cycle, employs the best debian people around
[06:01] <Moof> Samba 3 supports unicode translation, but I'd like to keep it all in utf-8, as it makes life easier all round, especially if I upgrade it to hary in 6 months' time
[06:02] <evan> hi, I just installed Ubuntu using a Knoppix CD and automouting CDs causes hdc (not the CD by its volume name) to appear on the desktop
[06:02] <Neill> dimgr: It has a well defined release cycle
[06:02] <evan> Opening hdc gives me some odd stuff
[06:02] <Moof> bob2: is the a utf-8isation guide anywhere?
[06:02] <Neill> which will result in stable releases every 6 months
[06:02] <Moof> tryign to get the console, and gnome to support utf-8 file names
[06:02] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: not that I know of
[06:02] <evan> While unmounting hdc and then opening the CD via "Disks" yields what you'd expect
[06:03] <evan> Anyone know what's going on?
[06:03] <dimgr> i read that it uses just sudo for root access. WIll i be able t set up a root account and my useraccount like in any other distro?
[06:03] <evan> The relevant fstab line is /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom  auto   user,noauto,exec,ro 0 0
[06:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: if you insist, yes
[06:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: but why?
[06:03] <dimgr> why use just sudo though
[06:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) why not?
[06:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[06:04] <dimgr> i guess im just used to the idea of so-pass-root
[06:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) yeah
[06:04] <dimgr> and in order to use my wireless i have to set up ndiswrapper right?
[06:05] <dimgr> im going to install it on my laptop
[06:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[06:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) there's a guide for that on the website
[06:05] <dimgr> i know how to set up ndiswrapper
[06:05] <Moof> also, is there likely to be a SWAT package upgrade in universe?
[06:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: you know how to set it up on ubuntu?
[06:05] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: is there a newer version in sid?
[06:05] <dimgr> is it different ??
[06:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) dimgr: read the guide
[06:06] <Moof> bob2: there's a newer version of samba in ubuntu-main
[06:06] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: of swat, I mean
[06:07] <Moof> I don't know.
[06:07] <Moof> but given that swat relies on samba, surely it should be using the ubuntu samba package?
[06:07] (bob2/#ubuntu) weren't you asking about swat?
[06:07] <Moof> yes
[06:07] <Moof> swat is part of samba
[06:07] <Moof> it's in the same source tree
[06:09] <Mitario> hmm, what was that unofficial well known mono repo for hoary again?
[06:09] (bob2/#ubuntu) tseng's
[06:09] <Mitario> yeah that one
[06:09] <Mitario> someone has an apt line?
[06:09] <Moof> swat: Depends: samba (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) but 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 is to be installed
[06:09] <pepsi_> asdfzxv31337
[06:10] <pepsi_> hrm
[06:10] <micsch> who can me explain, why i can a do dmin work with my default user-account?
[06:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) Mitario: google, "tseng sources.list"
[06:10] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: because of sudo
[06:11] <Moof> I assume the 6.2 is a security update or something
[06:11] <micsch> what's with the security?
[06:11] <Moof> though I have no easy way of knowing
[06:11] <Moof> is there a ubuntu equivalent of packages.debian.org?
[06:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) no
[06:11] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: ?
[06:12] <micsch> bob2, that's  not secure
[06:12] <Moof> bob2: is this something I can file a bug on, or am I gonna be told to go away cos it's a universe package?
[06:12] <micsch> by default @ bob2
[06:12] <evan> Anyone know why I'm getting "/media/hdc" instead of "/media/cdrom" created when I insert a CD?
[06:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: yes it is
[06:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) evan: ask on the user list
[06:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: it's probably waiting for a rebuild
[06:13] (bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: swat (universe) and samba are out of sync, will that get fixed automatically?
[06:13] <Moof> bob2: is there a way to check?
[06:14] <micsch> bob2, a normal user can create acounts, do you think that's secure?
[06:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: yes
[06:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) micsch: since only the first user has sudo access by default
[06:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) and the first user had physical access to the machine
[06:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) so they own it anyway
[06:14] <micsch> i see
[06:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) Moof: asking lamont like I just diud :)
[06:14] (bob2/#ubuntu) if you don't want that user to have sudo access, disable it
[06:15] <micsch> i did this.
[06:16] <Moof> bob2: ok ;)
[06:23] <kandinski> Moof, hey
[06:24] <kandinski> you not coming for Matar?
[06:24] <kandinski> 
[06:25] <hacim> is there an ubuntu ppc port?
[06:26] (bob2/#ubuntu) yes
[06:26] <Moof> kandinski: I'll try for some of the second week
[06:26] <Moof> it turns out i'm int he UK the first week
[06:26] <noneus>  /j #gentoo.de
[06:26] <Moof> but I might see if I can squeeze a couple fo days off twork and turn up thursday
[06:27] <Moof> of the second week
[06:33] <Trancan_er> woah
[06:34] <Trancan_er> Ubuntu  don't even have plans to support KDE?
[06:34] <Trancan_er> ?
[06:34] <Gwildor|work> good
[06:34] <gen> I hate KDE
[06:34] <RuffianSoldier> i love it
[06:34] <RuffianSoldier> and gnome
[06:34] <RuffianSoldier> the same
[06:34] <RuffianSoldier> You can Apt-get kde Trancan_er
[06:35] (bob2/#ubuntu) Trancan_er: there are no plans to support openbox, either
[06:35] <gen> yeah, it's not like you can't use it, they just may not help you if you have problems with it :)
[06:35] (bob2/#ubuntu) bastards
[06:35] <kandinski> Moof, I am going on the 7th and 8th, I think
[06:35] <kandinski> I still have to confirm
[06:36] <kandinski> Moof: I would love to meet you there. Bring some moose jerky.
[06:36] <gen> moose jerky :D
[06:36] <Trancan_er> bob2 I don't even know what Openbox is
[06:36] <Trancan_er> What is openbox?
[06:36] <Trancan_er> I know ubunto has no plans to support kDE
[06:36] <Moof> kandinski: moose jerky?
[06:36] (bob2/#ubuntu) it's yet another random window manager
[06:36] <kagou> hi
[06:37] <Trancan_er> bob okay
[06:37] <Moof> kandinski: do you have the right Moof? Englsihman workign in Spain?
[06:37] <RuffianSoldier> Openbox is the original Fluxbox basically
[06:37] <kandinski> mooof: dried meat of the arctic moose for human consumption
[06:37] <gen> it's also nice and minimal, compared to bloat gnome and kde
[06:37] <kandinski> no I don't
[06:37] <Moof> kandinski: ah.
[06:37] <kandinski> I thought I had a Spaniard working in Finland
[06:37] <kandinski> woops
[06:37] <srid> amazing! 284 people!
[06:37] <gen> how is that amazing?
[06:37] <kandinski> sorry, I thought you were my friend data, who often uses moof as a nick
[06:37] <Moof> kandinski: hi, I'm the *other* Moof who's english and workign in Spain.
[06:38] <Agrajag> hell, #gentoo has 885
[06:38] <srid> gen: it's fairly a new distro
[06:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) moof is the sound a dogcow makes, right?
[06:38] <Moof> Treenaks: aye
[06:38] <saltair> debian 806
[06:38] <gen> srid, not just any distro
[06:38] <Moof> Treenaks: though I'm ashamed to say I dont' currently own any apple hardware
[06:38] <gen> :)
[06:38] <deFrysk> m00h
[06:38] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogcow :)
[06:39] <deFrysk> mp3roaster rocks
[06:39] <deFrysk> no need for k3b
[06:39] <eruin> eh
[06:39] <eruin> you need rhythmbox 0.9 and coaster
[06:44] <kandinski> Moof, will love to see you there anyway
[06:46] <philipp_> hi everybosy i just installed ubuntu linux and totem-xine too watch some dvd's the problem is that I have no sound, the strange thing is that xine plays the dvd with sound all right, can anyone help me?
[06:46] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) one outputs via esd, the other one doesn't?
[06:50] <davmor2> hi can anyone tell this complete linux beginner how to delete the acpi packages and reconfigure my system so it doesn't use them please
[06:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) you don't want to delete them
[06:50] (bob2/#ubuntu) what are you trying to do?
[06:51] <philipp_> Treenaks: but do you know how to change it
[06:52] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) philipp_: in the preferences window?
[06:52] <davmor2> bob2 when I try to shut down it gets to the line acpi_power_off called and just stops but my pc doesn't power down
[06:52] (bob2/#ubuntu) ok then
[06:52] (bob2/#ubuntu) how would removing the acpi packages help that?
[06:53] <philipp_> Treenaks: there is know option in the preference window of totem
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) it sounds more like an acpi table (bios) bug to me
[06:53] (Treenaks/#ubuntu) philipp_: I don't know then, sorry
[06:53] <daniels> davmor2: acpi still isn't actually necessarily causing a problem here
[06:54] <davmor2> bob2 I don't know I'm a newbie just want my system to shutdown when i want it to
[06:54] (bob2/#ubuntu) davmor2: ok, so say that :)
[06:54] <philipp_> Treenaks: as far as I know totem-xine uses the xine engine with the xine configuration files
[06:55] <philipp_> is this right
[06:55] <philipp_> ?
[06:56] <davmor2> daniels what could be the problem then I have use fedora core 2 had no problem then downgraded to fedora core 3 which had the same problem and have now upgraded to ubuntu which also has the same problem
[06:56] <Pugio> can anybody recommend a good password manager? somethign with password aging
[06:57] <karakth> Hmm I need to pass off "computers" as a valid hobby akin to stamp collecting for this Award Scheme thing I'm doing. I also need proof that I'm doing this hobby. Any idea what arguments I can bring up to show that computers are a valid hobby?
[06:57] <Pugio> you're using linux
[06:57] <Pugio> end of story
[06:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) karakth: I wouldn't call it "computers"; "programming" would be better
[06:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) (assuming that's true)
[06:58] <karakth> Well
[06:58] (Kamion/#ubuntu) computers themselves aren't a hobby any more than watching TV is a hobby; you'd need more specifics
[06:59] <karakth> I haven't had time to program since summer.
[06:59] <FTTP> cause im using linux
[06:59] <FTTP> :P
[06:59] <Pugio> good luck with that
[06:59] <FTTP> l8r
[06:59] <FTTP> kidding
[06:59] <socomm> FTTP: get in line.
[06:59] <FTTP> i aint sco!
[06:59] <clockorange> anyone heard of 'Wired'
[06:59] <Pugio> does anybody know of any good/decent password utility?
[06:59] <FTTP> socomm:  lol
[06:59] <karakth> What I do mostly is tweak for more speed...
[07:00] (bob2/#ubuntu) clockorange: the silly magazine?
[07:00] <FTTP> socomm:  new build of ubuntu out today?
[07:00] <karakth> But I can't prove that can I?
[07:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) not really, you'd need to produce something you'd done
[07:00] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: every day
[07:00] <socomm> FTTP: looks that way.
[07:00] <philipp_> I have no sound in totem-xine if i start it from the menu but there is sound if i start it from the console can anybody help?
[07:00] <FTTP> socomm:  Which is newer, .1?
[07:00] <clockorange> bob2, No no ;) - look: http://bloodshed.net/wired/
[07:01] <FTTP> the .1 one is listed before the last one tho
[07:01] <FTTP> 20041122/
[07:01] <FTTP> 20041124.1/
[07:01] <FTTP> 20041124
[07:01] <FTTP> i would assume the 1124.1 is newer
[07:01] <FTTP> but
[07:01] <FTTP> 1124 is listed AFTER
[07:01] <socomm> karakth: do you see computers as a hobby?
[07:01] <FTTP> so? which one is newer? :)
[07:01] (bob2/#ubuntu) .1
[07:01] <socomm> FTTP: I'm guessing .1 :^/
[07:02] <socomm> FTTP: Check the time stamps.
[07:02] (bob2/#ubuntu) apache's sort order is wrong in that case
[07:02] <FTTP> socomm:  Ok will do
[07:03] <FTTP> Nov 24 13:00:13 UTC 2004 = 1124.1
[07:03] <socomm> karakth: try narrowing down to something especific like collecting pr0n, reading through wikipedia, blogging, chatting, etc ...
[07:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yes, .1 is newer
[07:03] <FTTP> Wed Nov 24 08:50:39 UTC 2004 = 1124
[07:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I built it by hand
[07:03] <FTTP> oh you built it ?
[07:03] <FTTP> :)
[07:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yes
[07:03] <FTTP> ok
[07:03] (Kamion/#ubuntu) wanted to pull in the new debian-installer
[07:03] <FTTP> kamion:  I tried the older one, wouldnt run xserver and killed my windows mbr
[07:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: watch out though, I just found a serious bug in hardware detection
[07:04] <FTTP> kamion:  I got my windows back up
[07:04] (Kamion/#ubuntu) introduced by me, unfortunately
[07:04] <karakth> socomm: Hmm
[07:04] <FTTP> kamion:  is there a way to load the release without using a bootloader?
[07:04] <FTTP> i have 2 hds
[07:05] <FTTP> the only problem is the bootloader
[07:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you have to use a bootloader of some kind
[07:05] <FTTP> shucks
[07:05] <davmor2> can someone please let me know how to sort my not shutting down computer problem please
[07:05] <FTTP> kamion:  the new debian installer is nice
[07:05] <FTTP> fixes alot of bugs tho
[07:05] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yeah
[07:05] <FTTP> i saw the debian sarge one that just came out
[07:06] <FTTP> at least ubuntu will be based on the new one :)
[07:06] <FTTP> thats a good thing
[07:06] <gen> always
[07:06] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: indeed, we're still merging regularly
[07:06] <kensai> FTTP, and it finally includes 2.6 kernel ;)
[07:07] <FTTP> kamion:  do i have to have the installer install the bootloader or can i use my own?
[07:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) kensai: has done for *ages* in sarge
[07:07] <FTTP> i want to test all the development releases, without messing up my bootloader :)
[07:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: in expert mode you can tell it not to install a bootloader
[07:07] <FTTP> kamion but i still have to get into it
[07:07] <FTTP> and i boot right into windows
[07:07] <FTTP> so i can use my own which will work with linux right?
[07:07] (Kamion/#ubuntu) up to you
[07:07] <gen> people still use windows?
[07:08] <FTTP> kamion:  I had bad problems with grub lately
[07:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you won't get the benefit of the automatic bootloader configuration
[07:08] <FTTP> and windows xp
[07:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) if there's a problem with what our installer sets up by default, we would prefer to know about it so we can attempt to fix it
[07:08] <FTTP> development and non development releses
[07:08] <FTTP> kamion i reported the grub bug
[07:08] <FTTP> noone ever replied tho yet on that one
[07:08] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I just always let it install the bootloader; it always detects all my other operating systems so it doesn't matter
[07:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: bug number?
[07:09] <FTTP> kamion:  Good question, hold on
[07:09] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: since you don't have a real name in /whois I can't search myself
[07:09] <FTTP> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3861
[07:10] <FTTP> 3861
[07:10] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I don't understand how the manner in which Windows is booted could possibly affect its performance
[07:11] <FTTP> kamion it did tho
[07:11] <FTTP> could be a microsoft thing
[07:11] <FTTP> intentional who knows
[07:11] (Kamion/#ubuntu) perhaps something to do with drive ordering
[07:11] <FTTP> kamion:  Its not just slowness, it also with some linux distro kills the file
[07:11] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: compare bug #1527
[07:11] <FTTP> so windows tries to load and cant
[07:12] <FTTP> this happened multiple times
[07:12] <FTTP> theres definitely an issue
[07:12] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: "it also with some linux distro kills the file" => the grammar there is bad enough that I can't understand it I'm afraid
[07:12] <eruin> looks like xorg have had trouble with their cvs
[07:12] (Kamion/#ubuntu) or unclear enough, or something :)
[07:13] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: those are likely to be unrelated problems FYI
[07:13] <FTTP> kamion:  In other words ill load up and it will be missing the file
[07:13] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: what file?
[07:13] <FTTP> kamion:  some file in /system32/
[07:13] <FTTP> in windows
[07:14] <FTTP> its prolly a windows bug
[07:14] <FTTP> but
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) uh, that means the filesystem is corrupted, it's definitely nothing to do with the bootloader
[07:14] <FTTP> microsoft wont fix it, they dont want to work with linux
[07:14] <FTTP> no
[07:14] <gen> yeah i was about to say that
[07:14] <FTTP> file system is fine
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) or some other problem
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I'm absolutely certain that this is not the bootloader
[07:14] <FTTP> kamion:  It only happens when i install linux
[07:14] <FTTP> kamion:  Its prolly a microsoft intentional ploy so i wouldnt use linux
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) yes, but installing Linux does all sorts of things
[07:14] (Kamion/#ubuntu) no, most people don't have this problem
[07:15] <FTTP> kamion:  I have a dell 8300 system
[07:15] <FTTP> there is no problems with filesystem
[07:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu) that doesn't mean an awful lot to me I'm afraid
[07:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu) filesystems are totally independent of who you bought the machine from
[07:15] <gen> it's a dell, what more is there to say
[07:15] <kent> You could let windows keep the MBR and boot from a floppy.
[07:15] <FTTP> kamion:  My file system is fine, it only gets corrupted when i install linux
[07:15] (Kamion/#ubuntu) grub-install '(hd0)' is certainly a possibility
[07:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I was suggesting that the process of looking at the Windows partition in Linux might be corrupting something
[07:16] <FTTP> kamion i dont know
[07:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: please don't be so defensive, I'm not throwing stones at your system
[07:16] <FTTP> kamion:  Im not accusing you of anything
[07:16] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I'm trying to work out where the problem might be
[07:16] <daniels> eruin: what's wrong with x.org's cvs?
[07:16] <eruin> daniels: http://freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-November/004666.html
[07:17] <daniels> eruin: yes, that was then
[07:17] <FTTP> kamion:  did i accuse you of anything?
[07:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) eruin: daniels was up late for a good bit of last week dealing with that
[07:17] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: no, I didn't say you did
[07:17] <daniels> eruin: and now, the CVS is up in its post-compromise state, all clean
[07:17] <FTTP> kamion:  I was just saying that my system system is fine, and if i install linux (multiple distros) thats when i have the problem
[07:17] <FTTP> how is that being defensive?
[07:17] <FTTP> thats my issue
[07:18] <eruin> daniels: my condolances ;)
[07:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: yes, and I'm trying to say that while that's an interesting data point it doesn't really help me solve the problem. :-)
[07:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) 18:15 < FTTP> kamion:  I have a dell 8300 system
[07:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) 18:15 < FTTP> there is no problems with filesystem
[07:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) that really doesn't help for instance
[07:18] <FTTP> kamion:  Its not the file system
[07:18] <FTTP> kamion:  i ran all the tools
[07:18] <FTTP> i checked that already
[07:18] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: dude, filesystems can be corrupted by the process of installation, in theory; they are not immutable objects
[07:19] <FTTP> kamion i understand , HOWEVER i checked that
[07:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ok, but that doesn't explain why a file is missing?
[07:19] <FTTP> kamion:  That i dont know :)
[07:19] <FTTP> kamion:  right
[07:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) all I have to go on is your comment that you've tracked the problem down to a missing file
[07:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) "so i
[07:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) had to run a chkdsk /p and it found and corrected errors"
[07:19] <FTTP> ok so whats the next diagnostic step?
[07:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) that's from your bug report!
[07:19] (Kamion/#ubuntu) you've *said* that the filesystem had problems
[07:20] <FTTP> kamion:  errr let me rephrase that
[07:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) and you've said that correcting those with the chkdsk tool fixed the problem
[07:20] <FTTP> the file system was not corrupted TILL i installed linux
[07:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) ok, I got that, that's perfectly clear
[07:20] <FTTP> before i installed linux i checked my filesystems
[07:20] <FTTP> to see if that was the issue
[07:20] <daniels> that could well just be sheer bad luck
[07:20] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: stop
[07:20] <FTTP> ok now that its clear
[07:20] <FTTP> what can the problem be?
[07:21] <FTTP> and how can i diagnose it further?
[07:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: I understand the following: your system was fine before you installed Linux; the process of installation broke the Windows filesystem; running the Windows filesystem repair tools fixed the issue
[07:21] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: you said that you reinstalled the Windows MBR; did you try to boot Windows from grub *before* reinstalling the MBR?
[07:21] <FTTP> kamion:  Right but only when there is no grub
[07:21] <FTTP> yes
[07:22] <FTTP> and i had issues
[07:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) of course, booting Windows recovery console to repair might break the installed bootloader *shrug*
[07:22] <FTTP> no
[07:22] <FTTP> wait now im confused
[07:22] (Kamion/#ubuntu) *you're* confused?
[07:22] <FTTP> i did not boot windows recovery console to repair BEFORE i installed the bootloader
[07:23] <FTTP> i repaired it AFTER it did not work
[07:23] <FTTP> after i had problems in Linux
[07:23] <Gwildor|work> just drop the M$ install......problem solved....hehe
[07:23] (Kamion/#ubuntu) I think you need to go back, reproduce the problem again, and check out much more clearly whether it's a broken filesystem or a broken bootloader; the two issues are far too mixed together right now.
[07:23] <FTTP> kamion:
[07:23] <FTTP> kamion:  How can we tell?
[07:24] (Kamion/#ubuntu) well, you can try booting after repairing one but not touching the other
[07:27] <FTTP> Kamion:  isnt it odd tho that the windows bootloader works 100% fine from the getgo
[07:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) my main problem with reports about problems coexisting with Windows is that I can't reproduce any of them myself
[07:27] <FTTP> i dont know if its a microsoft glitch
[07:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: doesn't boot Linux though does it?
[07:27] <FTTP> cause they intentionally cause problems
[07:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: apply Occam's Razor
[07:27] <FTTP> i should just remove windows, and see if it happens with linux
[07:27] <Gwildor|work> yeah
[07:27] <FTTP> i can disconnect my windows hd right?
[07:27] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: a conspiracy is not the simplest solution, therefore you should eliminate it from consideration
[07:27] <FTTP> without deleting the files
[07:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) sure
[07:28] <gwak> FTTP: are you putting everything on /dev/hda ?
[07:28] <FTTP> ok i will try that
[07:28] (Kamion/#ubuntu) might have device ordering issues
[07:28] <Gwildor|work> just during bois check, youll be able to pass by
[07:28] <gwak> FTTP: nevermind -- i see you have multiple drives
[07:28] <FTTP> kamion:  microoft unfortunately does that, like make word not compatible with wordperfect, etc.... make windows xp sp2 not compatible with linux in bootloader is a possibility im sorry to say
[07:28] <FTTP> kamion cant be ruled out
[07:29] <FTTP> it may not be that, but u cant rule it out
[07:29] <daniels> i would be exceptionally, incredibly, surprised
[07:29] <FTTP> maybe
[07:29] <Gwildor|work> good point, sp2 is a mystery
[07:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: we'd have far more reports if that were the case
[07:29] <FTTP> but ill try it on the otherhd
[07:29] <FTTP> kamion true actually
[07:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: there is absolutely no point considering that first, in any case
[07:29] <FTTP> kamion:  could be a bios issue?
[07:29] <kensai> FTTP, just disconnect the windows drive and install the other and then reconnect again, also it might help that the drive where you are going to install linux is /dev/hda so it is master
[07:29] (Kamion/#ubuntu) possible, but now you're conflating yet a third layer
[07:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) after conflating filesystems and bootloaders
[07:30] (Kamion/#ubuntu) keep things separate, it's much easier
[07:30] <FTTP> kamion:  We need more to diagnose it
[07:30] <FTTP> kamion it could be any number of things
[07:31] <ironwolf> apt-get install gnucash doesn't add anything to the Applications-->Office menu.  Is getting that added a Bug? or a Request?
[07:32] <kent> ironwolf, I would regard it as a bug, but im not the on who judge..  :)
[07:33] <ironwolf> kent: I tend to agree it's a bug if you install something and the normal user can't see it to use it.  Who would be the judge?
[07:34] <FTTP> kamion my own guess is a conflict with windows cause it affected files that affected the bootloader
[07:34] <FTTP> like $winnt$
[07:34] <FTTP> which gives it boot parameters
[07:35] <FTTP> floppylessbootpath=no
[07:35] <FTTP> producttype=winnt
[07:35] <FTTP> stuff like that is in there
[07:35] <FTTP> so it has to do with the boot path
[07:35] <FTTP> thats one of the corrupted files
[07:37] <gwak> FTTP: can you past your boot.ini file ?
[07:38] <xuzo_> mmmmm
[07:38] <xuzo_> why package ubuntu-desktop depends on emacs21?
[07:38] <FTTP> gwak boot.ini from linux?
[07:38] <FTTP> i dont have linux installed now
[07:38] <FTTP> i can reinstall it tho
[07:39] <gwak> no from your windows part in c:\
[07:39] <ironwolf> ubuntu-desktop includes lots of things, like an editor. :)
[07:39] <clockorange> I have just attached my old hard disk(slave) to a new one(master). How can i access it in Ubuntu?
[07:39] <gwak> FTTP:it might be hidden
[07:39] <xuzo_> ironwolf: an editor, not an editorOS :)
[07:39] <clockorange> I want to access the slave-drive
[07:39] <FTTP> ok
[07:40] <ironwolf> xuzo_: I like emacs, but linux has a better editor.. :)  yeah, yeah.. not my choice to include it.
[07:40] <kent> ironwolf, the Ubuntu people is the one to judge if its a bug or not.  They can either make it so that it appear in the menu or not,
[07:40] <xuzo_> ironwolf: why I must install emacs (and his ~40 mb) when I am not going to use it?
[07:40] <FTTP> i just enabled hidden files, dont see it
[07:41] <ironwolf> clockorange: Computer-->System Configuration-->Disks
[07:41] <ironwolf> xuzo_: apt-get remove emacs21 :)
[07:41] <FTTP> gwak:  Where is it?
[07:41] <xuzo_> the dependecy should be on vim | emacs | anyeditor
[07:41] <FTTP> c:/?
[07:42] <FTTP> i set it to show hidden files, nothing shows in c
[07:42] <gwak> yea it should be there
[07:42] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: we don't touch that at all; our installer never edits anything on a Windows partition
[07:42] (Kamion/#ubuntu) FTTP: it does *read* that file
[07:42] <xuzo_> ironwolf: I know but its now a good idea to remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:42] <FTTP> gwak:  weird, i enabled it to show hidden files
[07:42] <xuzo_> is not a good idea
[07:42] <gwak> FTTP: im just curious to see what windows thinks the boot drive is
[07:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: it's OK to remove it if you're diverging from our standard desktop
[07:43] <ironwolf> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package.  It does no harm to remove it.
[07:43] <keknehv> hi all
[07:43] <FTTP> oops
[07:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: upgrades may be a little more work if you remove it, but we'll document that
[07:43] <FTTP> hide protected os files
[07:43] <FTTP> had to deselect that
[07:43] <FTTP> ok lets see here
[07:43] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop are intended to be rather strict
[07:43] <keknehv> How do I exit gdm without turning off a computer?
[07:44] <xuzo_> Kamion: why not to provide a virtual package for the editor?
[07:44] <FTTP> [boot loader] 
[07:44] <FTTP> timeout=30
[07:44] <FTTP> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[07:44] <FTTP> [operating systems] 
[07:44] <FTTP> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
[07:44] <FTTP> that means nothing to me
[07:44] <FTTP> anything to you?
[07:44] <gwak> FTTP: as <Kamion> said its not needed for grub -- do not save anyting
[07:44] <keknehv> how do I close gdm?
[07:44] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: the point of ubuntu-desktop is to give you exactly the set of packages that make up the Ubuntu desktop
[07:44] <FTTP> gwak right but what does it mean? :)
[07:44] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: you're perfectly free to install other packages and if necessary to remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <gwak> to me the important issue is the partition(1) entry
[07:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: and, of course, there *is* a virtual package called 'editor'
[07:45] <keknehv> how can I safely close gdm without turning off my computer?
[07:45] <gwak> which says its on /dev/hda1
[07:45] <xuzo_> Kamion: what package? I cant find it
[07:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: uh ... it's *virtual*
[07:46] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: most editor packages have "Provides: editor" in their control file; that's what a virtual package means
[07:46] <gwak> FTTP: thanks for looking -- i just wanted to understand you windows partitioning scheme better
[07:47] <xuzo_> Kamion: i agree that ubuntu-desktop should provide a default desktop. But making ubuntu-desktop dependant on "editor" should be a good think :)
[07:48] <xuzo_> there are a lot of vim-people out there
[07:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: that's not the point of ubuntu-desktop, and in any case ubuntu-base already depends on vim
 hell yea
[07:48] (Kamion/#ubuntu) xuzo_: you are *perfectly free* to install additional editor packages
[07:49] <FTTP> gwak:   ive had issues with bootloaders since the early days of linux
[07:49] <xuzo_> ok ok. I am not flaming, only making a suggestion :)
[07:49] <FTTP> the bootloaders need to become better
[07:49] <FTTP> too many issues crop up
[07:49] <FTTP> and with multiple different systems too
[07:49] <gwak> FTTP: im googling now to see if i can find other examples
[07:50] <FTTP> gwak:  grub2 is coming soon so
[07:50] <FTTP> hopefully it improves upon grub
[07:50] <gwak> FTTP: i have installed linux /w grub (bootloader) on many dual boot machines w/ no problems
[07:50] <FTTP> gwak:  And for me its the opposite
[07:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) grub2 is a rewrite from scratch as I understand it, so I expect more issues with it rather than fewer
[07:50] <gwak> FTTP: ;-[
[07:50] <malte`> i have horrible fonts using hoary's xorg :(
[07:50] (lamont/#ubuntu) bob2/Moof: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists has current (well within 10 minutes anyway..) status
[07:50] (Kamion/#ubuntu) rewrites are generally a reduction in quality at least to start with, since they haven't had the benefit of accumulated bug-fixes
[07:50] <FTTP> gwak it could be due to hardware
[07:51] <FTTP> gwak:  I dunno
[07:51] (lamont/#ubuntu) bob2: if no merge is required, it just syncs.  If a merge is required, then someone has to at least check on the merge-o-matic output
[07:51] <gwak> FTTP: so you are trying to install linux on a seperate physical drive?
[07:51] <FTTP> gwak yes
[07:51] <FTTP> dell uses redhat so it shouldnt be an issue with the bios
[07:51] <gwak> FTTP: have you tried to re-install after the intial failure?
[07:51] <FTTP> unless theres a new bug in the bios
[07:51] <FTTP> gwak yes
[07:51] <FTTP> same issue
[07:51] <aitrus> does anyone have any idea why my ubuntu workstation randomly reboots?
[07:51] <FTTP> all the time
[07:52] <housetier> FTTP you are not meant to use linux
[07:52] <gwak> FTTP: very strange -- let me check the grub mailing list
[07:52] <aitrus> err... actually it isn't rebooting... X is jsut restarting
[07:52] <FTTP> housetier:  LOL
[07:52] <housetier> I wasnt meant to use *bsd
[07:52] <FTTP> housetier:  I can get it to work if i disabled my windows and removed that drive
[07:52] <FTTP> maybe
[07:53] <FTTP> it seems to work fine with linux
[07:53] <housetier> IDE drives?
[07:53] <FTTP> but not with windows
[07:53] <ironwolf> FTTP: what version of windows?
[07:53] <FTTP> i mean grub
[07:53] <markus_> Hi. I want to install Ubuntu from a USB-CD-ROM-drive. Booting works, but as soon as D-I wants to load something from the CD (just after setting the language-stuff), I don't know how to tell Ubuntu about the CD-ROM-device. Any idea?
[07:53] <FTTP> sp2
[07:53] <FTTP> xp pro sp2
[07:53] <FTTP> its multiple distros
[07:53] <gwak> FTTP: <housetier> asked a good question E-IDE S-IDE SCSI?
[07:53] <FTTP> not just ubuntu
[07:53] <FTTP> e-ide
[07:53] <FTTP> dma 100
[07:54] <FTTP> seagate + hitachi drives
[07:54] <housetier> more enter
[07:54] <housetier> less text
[07:54] <housetier> per line
[07:54] <gwak> FTTP: you have a completly normal config
[07:54] <ironwolf> fttp: and Grub isn't working?  What's it do? *curiousity peaked*
[07:54] <housetier> so it gets
[07:54] <housetier> lost easier
[07:54] <FTTP> grak:  yep
[07:54] <eruin> http://static.thepiratebay.org/legal/ <- funny reads ;P
[07:55] <keknehv> can I, without damage, kill gdm if the user is logged out?
[07:55] <eruin> yes
[07:55] <FTTP> gwak:  commercial bootloaders will prolly work fine
[07:55] <keknehv> ok
[07:55] <FTTP> i guess i may have to go commercial
[07:56] <FTTP> for the bootloader
[07:56] <FTTP> ill try that if i can get a demo
[07:56] <FTTP> dunno
[07:56] <gwak> FTTP: maybe --- but w/ OS / linux stuff its the cycle to check the news groups
[07:56] <gwak> FTTP: its the trade-off for free SW ;-] 
[07:56] <clockorange> ironwolf, Sorry, there are no -->disks
[07:56] <eruin> FTTP: your bios is ether fscked up or malconfigured
[07:57] <FTTP> eruin there are no config settings
[07:57] <housetier> FTTP which bootloaders have you tried so far?
[07:57] <FTTP> its a dell
[07:57] <FTTP> there is no settings
[07:57] <eruin> oh, then you're fscked
[07:57] <FTTP> for hd lba and stuff, none
[07:57] <eruin> don't buy dell! :o
[07:57] <gwak> FTTP: can u give more specific details about model # ect..
[07:57] <FTTP> dell works with redhat
[07:58] <gwak> FTTP:interesting
[07:58] <skeff> My Xorg server seems it has some problem with usage information, for instance the screen blanks out suddenly WHILE I'm moving my mouse or keyboard.. this happens regularly.
[07:58] <FTTP> they are a linux friendly vendor
[07:58] <eruin> FTTP: as in core3?
[07:58] <FTTP> gwak:  No.... i dont mean i tried it
[07:58] <housetier> FTTP which bootloaders have you tried so far?
[07:58] <FTTP> i mean dell sells redhat for its systems
[07:58] <zoraster> Hi all, newbie here. may I ask a newb question?
[07:58] <FTTP> dell is supposed to be a linux friendly vendor
[07:58] <gwak> FTTP: so does IBM but problems still arise
[07:58] <FTTP> i guess
[07:58] <FTTP> [boot loader] 
[07:58] <FTTP> timeout=30
[07:58] <FTTP> default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[07:58] <FTTP> [operating systems] 
[07:58] <FTTP> multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
[07:58] <ironwolf> clockorange: sudo disks-admin  Does that work?
[07:58] <FTTP> oops
[07:59] <housetier> zoraster please ask right away
[07:59] <skeff> oh and also, in Gaim, in the Away options, in "Idle time reporting" I can choose only 'Gaim usage' or 'none', I remember it should be X usage also there..
[07:59] <zoraster> whats the best way to upgrade to latest firefox?
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) don't bother
[07:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) or download it from mozilla.org
[07:59] <clockorange> ironwolf, command not found
[07:59] <ironwolf> zoraster: apt-get update && apt-get install firefox.
[08:00] <zoraster> ok, thaks,
[08:00] <FTTP> my own guess is it could also be an xp2 issue
[08:00] <FTTP> maybe due to Data Execution Prevention ?
[08:00] <ironwolf> clockorange: /usr/bin/disks-admin  .. is it there?
[08:00] <FTTP> i should remove sp2
[08:00] <FTTP> to see
[08:00] <housetier> can someone ask FTTP what bootloaders he/she/it has tried so far, I am on ignore by mistake
[08:01] <gwak> FTTP: my best advice is to google for [ grub  dell {MODEL NUMBER} dual boot } and see what comes up
[08:01] (sladen/#ubuntu) FTTP: <housetier > can someone ask FTTP what bootloaders he/she/it has tried so far, I am on ignore by mistake
[08:01] <ironwolf> FTTP: so you don't have linux installed?  How do you update-grub if you don't have something installed?
[08:01] <gwak> FTTP: sorry cant help more -- gots to go to a movie ;-] 
[08:01] <wood1> Hello to everybody
[08:02] <wood1> I need some help
[08:02] <FTTP>  housetier why would i put you on ignore?
[08:02] <clockorange> ironwolf, Theres nothing called 'Disks-admin'
[08:02] <FTTP> housetier:  And why would you think that?  <grin>
[08:02] <FTTP> housetier:  I only tried grub
[08:02] <ironwolf> clockorange: *no capitals*
[08:02] <FTTP> ill try lilo
[08:02] <wood1> I just bought a New CD-RW drive but Ubuntu can't detect it !!!
[08:02] <housetier> oh boy!
[08:02] <skeff> what does "residual config" mean?
[08:03] <ironwolf> FTTP: good luck.
[08:03] (bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: chill
[08:04] <clockorange> ironwolf, ??..no, i do not use 'capitals'
[08:04] <wood1> Can anyone give me some guidance to mount or detect a newly installed CD-RW drive ?
[08:05] <ironwolf> clockorange: standard ubuntu install?.. might try cfdisk to see if you can see the partitions.
[08:05] <wood1> bob2, how are you?
[08:05] <wood1> chill ???
[08:05] <clockorange> Its weird! The drive is visible in 'Device Manager' as /dev/hdb, but i cant get access
[08:05] <FTTP> doh
[08:05] <FTTP> If you are attempting to add a new hard disk drive to the computer make sure that drive is a blank drive. Adding a new hard disk drive to a computer that already has Windows installed on it may cause the NTLDR error to occur.
[08:05] <FTTP> oh wait
[08:05] <FTTP> i installed windows to a new drive
[08:05] <clockorange> ironwolf, ok
[08:05] <FTTP> doh
[08:07] <kandinski> ah, FTTP
[08:07] <kandinski> how can that be fixed?
[08:07] <kandinski> that is the problem I have
[08:07] <kandinski> I want to install debian dual boot on my tabletpc that only boots off pxe
[08:08] <kandinski> but I can't even read or write to the bloody hard disk
[08:08] <FTTP> no
[08:08] <FTTP> oh
[08:08] <FTTP> i havent a clue
[08:08] <kandinski> ah, at least I know it is not the disk
[08:08] <kandinski> what if I:
[08:08] <kandinski> dd the disk to another disk
[08:08] <kandinski> wipe the disk
[08:08] <kandinski> install debian
[08:09] <kandinski> dd the windows disk partition back. Do you think it will work then (sorry for the offtopic, I have fuxxored it twice trying to install it, and both times I have had to return it for re-imaging with windows)
[08:10] <kandinski> never mind, but if anyone knows how to help please /query me or come to #barrapunto
[08:12] <eruin> rah
[08:12] <eruin> time to fire up cedega and play some battlefield vietnam :)
[08:12] (dieman/#ubuntu) *yawn*
[08:16] <wood1> How do I install a new CD-RW drive in Ubuntu ?
[08:24] <yo2lux> Hi
[08:24] <hypa7ia> hey yo2lux
[08:25] <yo2lux> i hear ubuntu is good for desktop, anyone tell me which is the latest release ?
[08:25] <gen> warty is latest stable yo2lux
[08:25] <jordi> yo2lux: the Only release is 4.10
[08:25] <__daniel> 4.10 warty warthog
[08:25] <wood1> I need to get Ubuntu to detect a newly installed CD-RW drive
[08:26] <yo2lux> yes but why 4.10 and not 1.0  when this is the first release?
[08:26] <gen> the date yo2lux
[08:26] <wood1> Can somebody help me ?
[08:27] <gen> 4.10 meaning the date it came out yo2lux
[08:27] <gen> 10-04
[08:27] <hypa7ia> wood1: is it an ATA drive?
[08:28] <yo2lux> ok thanks !
[08:28] <yo2lux> exist a net install for ubuntu ?
[08:29] <wood1> It's a ATAPI Drive
[08:30] <wood1> Is there any command to re-detect the hardware installed in Ubuntu ?
[08:30] <hypa7ia> wood1: the drivers for those are extremely generic... i'm not even sure if you'd need to modprobe it... might need to add something to /etc/fstab
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, have you heard of BeatrIX?  Its a liveCD with an HD install and it uses Ubuntu repositories!  The project admin said I could start the channel, so come by #beatrix.  Im the op
[08:31] <wood1> Well, I had a normal CD-ROM which was working fine
[08:31] <wood1> I just replaced the CD Rom drive with a CD-RW drive today
[08:32] <wood1> Now Ubuntu does not detect it
[08:32] <hypa7ia> wood1: can you copy your /etc/fstab to pastebin?
[08:32] <hypa7ia> also, what happens when you put in a blank cd?
[08:32] <wood1> nothing happens
[08:32] <RuffianSoldier> have you guys heard of BeatrIX?  Its a liveCD with an HD install and it uses Ubuntu repositories!  The project admin said I could start the channel, so come by #beatrix.  Im the op
[08:33] <housetier> dmesg might be mildly interesting too in this case
[08:33] <housetier> to see if it was detected at all
[08:34] <wood1> dmesg detected my CD-RW drive. I got the CD-RW drive at /dev/hdc
[08:34] <wood1> thanks housetier
[08:35] <housetier> heh np :)
[08:35] <wood1> OK, how to I add the CD-RW drive to /etc/fstab ?
[08:36] <housetier> listen to hypa7ia so we can have a look at it
[08:36] <wood1> OK
[08:36] <hypa7ia> wood1: http://pastebin.com
[08:37] <wood1> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[08:37] <wood1> #
[08:37] <wood1> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[08:37] <wood1> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[08:37] <wood1> /dev/hda4       /               reiserfs defaults        0       1
[08:37] <wood1> /dev/hda3       /boot           reiserfs defaults        0       2
[08:37] <wood1> /dev/hda10      none            swap    sw              0       0
[08:37] <wood1> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[08:37] <wood1> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[08:37] <wood1> #/dev/hda5      /media/windrive_d vfat rw,umask=0,user,codepage=850,exec 0 0
[08:37] <gen> wood you should do that in flood
[08:37] <Gwildor|work> ahhhh
[08:37] <RuffianSoldier>  /ban wood1 SPammer!
[08:37] <wood1> I am sorry
[08:37] <hypa7ia> wood1: or in pastebin, which i linked you to :-(
[08:37] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[08:37] <RuffianSoldier> im no op
[08:37] <wood1> Well how do I use pastebin
[08:37] <gen> you can't be serious
[08:38] <Gwildor|work> rofl
[08:38] <hypa7ia> you go to it, paste your stuff, and give us a link
[08:38] <housetier> wood1 open that url in your favorite webbrowser
[08:38] <wood1> Which url ?
[08:38] <hypa7ia> wood1: http://pastebin.com
[08:40] <wood1> http://pastebin.com/123105
[08:41] <hypa7ia> looks like wood1 just needs to change the cdrw's mount line,it's read-only
[08:41] <hypa7ia> not sure what to make it tho :-/
[08:42] <housetier> I'd change /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc on line 009
[08:43] <wood1> Well changing /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc should do the trick ?
[08:43] <housetier> it might be worth a try
[08:43] <hypa7ia> to make it writable you need to change ro to rw
[08:44] <wood1> Well I will do it right now
[08:44] <hypa7ia> that should do it
[08:44] <wood1> Do I have to restart the machine
[08:44] <housetier> with complex structures such as pc hardware and software there are no definite answers, only ever-changing propabilities
[08:44] <hypa7ia> there's a command to remount without rebooting... but i can never remember it
[08:44] <housetier> rw does not make sense
[08:45] (sladen/#ubuntu) hypa7ia: mount -o remount ....
[08:45] (Kamion/#ubuntu) mount -o remount,rw <filesystem>
[08:45] <housetier> /dev/hdc is not a file system though, only a device. iirc cdrecord and friends use the device to burn a cd
[08:46] <hypa7ia> housetier: it's a cdRW....
[08:46] <hypa7ia> oh, my bad
[08:48] <wood1> Well should I replace /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc and also add rw
[08:49] <hypa7ia> just the first thing wood1
[08:49] <PotajiTo> wenas
[08:49] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: you can check the device manager for the right device name..
[08:49] <wood1> Should I do it now or is there something else too ?
[08:49] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: btw is the cdrw the only device on that ide cable
[08:50] <wood1> Yes the CDRW is the only device on the IDE Cable
[08:51] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: if it's hdd, it's setup as slave.. if it's the only device on that cable you probably should put it as master
[08:51] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: there should be a jumper on the back of the thing for that
[08:52] <hypa7ia> sjoerd: it was showing up as hdc for wood1 in dmesg
[08:52] <IamMoo> when i try to install ubuntu from cd, it locks up at a blue screen after it does "cd hardware analysis"...anyone know why?
[08:52] <wood1> Yes it is the Master and it is shown as /dev/hdc while using the dmesg command
[08:52] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) sorry, didn't read correctly :)
[08:53] <gen> ahh i accidentally removed the wastebasket from bottom right corner, how do i get it back haha
[08:53] <hypa7ia> IamMoo: what kind of hardware are you doing this on?
[08:53] <wood1> So should I just replace /dev/hdd to /dev/hdc ?
[08:53] (sjoerd/#ubuntu) wood1: yeah
[08:53] <IamMoo> gateway, p2, 300mhz
[08:53] <IamMoo> old computer
[08:53] <wood1> Ok thanks to all
[08:53] <hypa7ia> IamMoo: try noacpi as a boot option
[08:54] <IamMoo> whats that mean
[08:54] <IamMoo> i'm very new at this
[08:54] <IamMoo> =\
[08:54] <hypa7ia> IamMoo: doesn't try and use acpi.... it's a new hardware thingy that sometimes moofs installs
[08:54] <wood1> Where would I be without all of you ? Thank god that there is this Chat Room for Ubuntu
[08:54] <IamMoo> and how would i go about doing this hypa7ia
[08:55] <hypa7ia> IamMoo: when you boot you can enter options
[08:55] <wood1> I will see you all a few minutes later after a Reboot
[08:55] <wood1> bye
[08:55] <hypa7ia> good luck wood1!
[08:55] <gen> how do i get wastebasket back to bottom right corner eh, accidentally removed it
[08:55] <IamMoo> so do i just type noacpi?
[08:56] <hypa7ia> i think so, IamMoo... if you hit F2 or F3 you can read about the boot options
[08:56] <hypa7ia> when you're booting that is
[08:56] <IamMoo> ok
[08:56] <hypa7ia> gen: does right-clicking on the area get you "add to panel"
[08:56] <gen> no, because there is no space to the right of the workspace switcher anymore
[08:57] <gen> i would know how if there was, because i have the trash temporarily at the top because i added it
[08:57] <gen> but not knowing how to get it back to the bottom right
[08:57] <IamMoo> hypa7ia: trying the noacpi deal...
[08:57] <gen> i guess i could "unlock" and move it
[08:57] <gen> eh hold
[08:57] <hypa7ia> gen: try clicking at the very edge maybe?
[08:58] <gen> yea i unlocked the workspace switcher
[08:58] <IamMoo> hypa7ia: sitll no luck, locked up after hardware thing again
[08:58] <gen> moved it over to the left a tad and that worked
[08:59] <gen> figured out, nevermind :)
[08:59] <hypa7ia> eek, gotta run, try some different options IamMoo :-)
[08:59] <IamMoo> ok who else wants to help meeee ={
[09:00] <IamMoo> annnnyone else know why unbuntu install just stops working after the hardware inspection?
[09:01] <wood1> hey I did not have to reboot after replacing /dev/hdd with /dev/hdc
[09:02] <Gwildor|work> wood1, all good now?
[09:02] <wood1> Wow, that's a cool, cool feature of Ubuntu
[09:02] <wood1> Yes thanks
[09:03] <Gwildor|work> good good
[09:03] <wood1> I was dying to see the movie "Troy"
[09:03] <Gwildor|work> now start burning ubuntu cd's, and hand them all over the place
[09:03] <Gwildor|work> havent seen troy yet
[09:04] <wood1> Wow, it is a super fantastic movie
[09:05] <wood1> Sure I will try to get everybody at my office to use Ubuntu Linux
[09:05] <housetier> I have been handing out ubuntu CDs left and right
[09:05] <wood1> By the way, 3 of my colleagues have started using Ubuntu
[09:05] <Gwildor|work> I havent got my cd's yet :(
[09:06] <Rob|Newbie> me neither
[09:06] <Gwildor|work> mine shipped on the 11th
[09:06] <wood1> I downloaded the ISO Image and distributed it
[09:06] <Gwildor|work> ahhh
[09:07] <wood1> By the way, I am not trying to get personal but where are you all from?
[09:07] <wood1> I am from Nepal
[09:07] <birme> sweden
[09:07] <wood1> that's great
[09:07] <Gwildor|work> well, I don't have many friends that can even get by on there XP install, so linux is outta the question
[09:07] <Gwildor|work> im from USA
[09:08] <Rob|Newbie> gwildor, you running hoary?
[09:08] <Gwildor|work> yup
[09:08] <wood1> I am running hoary at my Office PC too
[09:08] <Gwildor|work> oh....XP at work.....hoary at home
[09:08] <Rob|Newbie> cutting edge distros are ok to run on slow cpus? for ex. mines celeron 634mhz 256mb sdram ?
[09:09] <Gwildor|work> Rob|Newbie, ubuntu WILL run.....if its a bit tankish, get xfce4 or fluxbox
[09:09] <Rob|Newbie> thanks
[09:09] <Gwildor|work> wood1, wish I could use *nix here, work that is
[09:10] <Gwildor|work> np :)
[09:10] <Rob|Newbie> I just finish installing it here on my linux box,
[09:10] <Rob|Newbie> so I just wanted some help setting it up to hoary :)
[09:10] <wood1> Why don't you just install Ubuntu at your office's PC?
[09:10] <wood1> Gwildor
[09:10] <Gwildor|work> would just be way too difficult
[09:11] <wood1> Why is that so ?
[09:11] <Gwildor|work> I use a few proprietary app
[09:11] <Gwildor|work> apps
[09:11] <wood1> OK, I get the point
[09:12] <Gwildor|work> and I don't have the time to config our network, plus we are always sharing files ansd such
[09:12] <wood1> Don't you have other PCs
[09:12] <wood1> to install Ubuntu
[09:12] <gen> wood1, chill
[09:12] <Gwildor|work> oxi
[09:13] <will_> Rob|Newbie: im running on a celeron 500 256ram
[09:13] <mroth> anyone have a link to a prepackged j2sdk-1.5.0 deb?  i'm on a coworkers machine here and dont have time to rebuild my own
[09:14] <Rob|Newbie> cool will, what look are you using gnome?
[09:14] <wood1> By the way, which software in Ubuntu should I use to burn CDs ?
[09:14] <linux_mafia> mroth, ive got one i made, just trying to think where i can put it so you can dl it
[09:15] <will_> Rob|Newbie:yeah, on hoary
[09:15] <will_> Rob|Newbie:its pretty quick!
[09:15] <Rob|Newbie> nice
[09:15] <wood1> apt-get chill or oxi will install it ?
[09:15] <Rob|Newbie> anyone can help me changin my sources to hoary so i can upgrade?
[09:16] <wood1> Well replace "warty" to "hoary" from /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <Gwildor|work> wood1, isntall what?
[09:18] <Gwildor|work> wood1, use nautalis to burn cd's, unless you want to make music cd's then you need K3b
[09:20] <Rob|Newbie> wood1. and thats all?
[09:20] <Arrrr> does ATI Radeon work with Linux ??
[09:20] <Rob|Newbie> I thought you had to change warty to hoary, and add multiverse or something but im lost
[09:20] <gen> it will work, just don't expect much 3d arrr
[09:20] <Gwildor|work> Rob|Newbie, then ap-get update       apt-get upgrade
[09:20] <gen> ati's drivers are crap
[09:20] <Gwildor|work> Rob|Newbie, multiverse and universe are EXTRA
[09:21] <Arrrr> hmmm
[09:21] <ChibiFS> Crap >.<;
[09:21] <Arrrr> if i have ATI radeon card, that means it wont work well with linux?
[09:21] <Gwildor|work> Arrrr, I get like 4k+ fps with glxgears on my radeon, with mesa
[09:21] <gen> gwildor, im sure that doesnt mean anything to him
[09:21] <Rob|Newbie> hey gen you're the guy
[09:21] <Rob|Newbie> i finish a new installation gen
[09:22] <sirfred> Hi.
[09:22] <sirfred> Is there any way to add a bookmark in Nautilus?
[09:22] <Arrrr> Gwildork|work : hmm i'm not that familiar with fps.... is that good or bad??
[09:22] <gen> ok, so rob did you change the strings to hoary
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> gen, I as just staing that ati isnt hopeless
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> stating*
[09:22] <Rob|Newbie> not yet
[09:22] <Rob|Newbie> thats why im here :)
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> Arrrr, 4000+ fps is pretty good
[09:22] <gen> you're making it harder than it is
[09:22] <gen> just change them to hoary
[09:22] <gen> sudo apt-get update
[09:22] <gen> sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:22] <Gwildor|work> fps= frames per secong
[09:23] <Arrrr> ohh
[09:23] <Arrrr> ok..
[09:23] <Rob|Newbie> so i dont have to do the thigns you said yday
[09:23] <gen> that was when you wanted xfce and such
[09:23] <gen> rob
[09:23] <Rob|Newbie> i do =)
[09:23] <Rob|Newbie> ya
[09:23] <Arrrr> coz i'm just ordering my new computer... forgotten to think about the video card & linux compatibility when i made the order
[09:23] <gen> ok well start with hoary first
[09:23] <Rob|Newbie> yea
[09:24] <gen> so don't worry about universe/multiverse now
[09:24] <skeff> The latest LyX version in the Hoary universe repository is 1.3.4, yet the latest version released is 1.3.5. The LyX homepage has links to some RPM files, is it better to wait for an ubuntu specific package?  Also I find it weird that the debian repository only has 1.1.6 or something in it...
[09:24] <Gwildor|work> skeff, id wait, less you must have it now
[09:24] <skeff> Gwildor, Who am I waiting for?
[09:25] <gen> for the repositories to uypdate skeff
[09:25] <Arrrr> is there any free disk partitioning program like partition magic???
[09:25] <Gwildor|work> ubuntu specific package
[09:25] <Arrrr> oh forgotten that windows has its own as well.
[09:25] <Arrrr> don't worry
[09:25] <Arrrr> hehe
[09:25] <Gwildor|work> Arrrr, dual boot?
[09:25] <zapada> hello?
[09:26] <Gwildor|work> hi
[09:26] <zapada> hey!
[09:26] <zapada> I signed up for that ship-it service a couple weeks ago
[09:26] <zapada> when should I get my CD's?
[09:26] <skeff> gen, someone will have to create the package, no? The LyX 1.3.5 was released over a month ago. That kind of wait is unacceptable..
[09:26] <Gwildor|work> eventually
[09:26] <zapada> by christmas?
[09:26] <Gwildor|work> maybe
[09:26] <Gwildor|work> mine shipped the 11th, still havent gotten
[09:26] <gen> so you want 1.3.5 correct skeff
[09:26] <zapada> how do I know when it shipped?
[09:26] <wood1> Well just replace all the words "warty" to "hoary" in /etc/apt/sources.list and that's it
[09:26] <wood1> then do: apt-get update
[09:26] <skeff> gen, I do.
[09:26] <wood1> and apt-get upgrade
[09:27] <wood1> and of course: apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:27] <Rob|Newbie> ok i changed everything that said warty to hoary
[09:27] <Gwildor|work> zapada, log in to shipit, it willt ell you there
[09:27] <gen> rob, now sudo apt-get update
[09:27] <zapada> ok
[09:27] <gen> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:27] <zapada> not shipped then
[09:27] <ChibiFS> Hey hey. How do ya'll suppose you might escape from SVGATextmode killing your computer? :P
[09:27] <Rob|Newbie> 17.5mb
[09:27] <Rob|Newbie> downloading
[09:28] <gen> skeff
[09:29] <EscN0W> I'm new ubuntu 4.10 user with alot problems
[09:29] <skeff> genn
[09:29] <zapada> im new linux user w/o linux :(
[09:29] <zapada> 56k
[09:29] <Gwildor|work> hahaha
[09:30] <Gwildor|work> zapada, where are you located?
[09:30] <zapada> ontario
[09:30] <Gwildor|work> hmmmm
[09:30] <MoisesC> hi there
[09:30] <MoisesC> how i can change the root default theme?
[09:30] <zapada> hi Moses
[09:31] <EscN0W> I get many 'Errors were encountered while processing' packages
[09:31] <skeff> gen, I still see only 1.3.4-2 in repository
[09:31] <EscN0W> cand I have alot /etc/*dpkg-new files
[09:31] <gen> skeff, yeah so do i
[09:31] <EscN0W> I need help, please
[09:31] <gen> not much telling when 1.3.5 will be there
[09:33] <rsa> i can't find proftp using apt-get, can someone please tell me how to fetch it ? ( i have universe in my sources.list )
[09:33] <rsa> 'proftpd'
[09:33] <ChibiFS> I'm afraid to open the lid to my laptop. x_x
[09:33] <gen> skeff, just compile 1.3.5 from ftp://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/
[09:33] <gen> if you need it
[09:34] <skeff> gen, what do I need to compile anything in ubuntu then?
[09:38] <Gwildor|work> lucky him
[09:38] <Gwildor|work> im still at work
[09:38] <topyli> it will pass :)
[09:39] <zapada> is ubuntu good for web servers?
[09:39] <thomas_> evening!
[09:39] <thomas_> anybody using gnomebaker?
[09:39] <zapada> hey thomas_
[09:39] <skeff> zapada, no ubuntu is crap ..
[09:39] <Gwildor|work> topyli, soon, 1.5 hours
[09:39] <RubenV> skeff: rofl
[09:40] <thomas_> hey zap
[09:40] <skeff> zapada, I wouldn't use it for anything other than desktop
[09:40] <zapada> hmm
[09:40] <zapada> ok
[09:40] <skeff> zapada, web servers should be lean
[09:40] <zapada> like what?
[09:40] <zapada> like console BSD?
[09:40] <skeff> zapada, fucking gentoo man, dude, man,
[09:40] <thomas_> pure debian
[09:40] <zapada> skeff: you alright?
[09:41] <zapada> gentoo is for wanks :)
[09:41] <skeff> zapada, then go wank you wanker
[09:41] <thomas_> debian is good for webservers
[09:41] <RubenV> lfs :D
[09:41] <thomas_> i use for years
[09:41] <RubenV> just a matter of taste actually
[09:41] <RubenV> just don't use a desktop distro pur sanh
[09:41] <RubenV> *sang
[09:41] <thomas_> i really have a problem with gnomebaer, none of you using it?
[09:41] <skeff> RubenV, sang?
[09:42] <topyli> zapada: ubuntu should make a nice server just like debian
[09:42] <RubenV> shouldn't have used that expression "pur sang"
[09:42] <zapada> ok
[09:42] <skeff> RubenV, I have never heard of the expression "pur sang"
[09:42] <topyli> zapada: only, this one is up to date and supported
[09:42] <RubenV> idd, topyli, just do a minimal install
[09:42] <RubenV> WITHOUT X
[09:42] <RubenV> no X on a server
[09:42] <zapada> ok
[09:42] <RubenV> skeff: comes from french
[09:42] <topyli> yes. install the base and then what you need
[09:43] <zapada> brb
[09:43] <RubenV> belgium has 2 (act. 3) languages
[09:44] <RubenV> "pur sang" is a bit like in blood, pure desktop OS i meant
[09:44] <RubenV> sorry for that
[09:44] <topyli> RubenV: but it's not true. you can do a base install and build a server just like debian
[09:45] <MoisesC> i put a theme in /root/.themes and run the theme manager as root, but still use the simple theme :S
[09:46] <topyli> MoisesC: why do you need themes for root? why are you root in X?
[09:46] <MoisesC> well
[09:46] <MoisesC> i want it for programas like synaptic or firestarter
[09:47] <topyli> MoisesC: there's no need to be root for that
[09:47] <MoisesC> *for programs
[09:47] <RubenV> ubuntu does it automattically
[09:47] <RubenV> it's called sudo
[09:47] <RubenV> ;)
[09:47] <MoisesC> i have a problem then
[09:47] <MoisesC> roots programs ever shows the simple theme
[09:47] <MoisesC> *excuse my english
[09:48] <topyli> MoisesC: oh, i see. firestarter needs the root passwd so you have enabled root, right?
[09:48] <MoisesC> yep
[09:48] <MoisesC> i do it
[09:48] <RubenV> start it using sudo/gksudo
[09:49] <topyli> MoisesC: me too :) but there's no need. change the menu entry from gksu to gksudo
[09:49] <MoisesC> i already do that
[09:49] <MoisesC> my problem is
[09:49] <MoisesC> i can run perfectly synaptic or firestarter
[09:49] <icecrash> moin
[09:49] <MoisesC> but root programs always shows the simple theme
[09:49] <MoisesC> whatever theme have as user
[09:50] <kent> topyli, i think he means that programs that runs as root gets another theme in Gnome. Dont that happen to all? it happens to me, and i dont like it.  its ugly :(
[09:50] <topyli> MoisesC: isn't it good that root's apps look different from your own pretty apps?
[09:50] <MoisesC> im not a big fan of the simple theme...
[09:50] <topyli> kent: ^^^
[09:50] <RubenV> mine all do industrial nicely
[09:51] <topyli> my root apps look swell as well. i don't know what MoisesC's problem actually is :(
[09:52] <MoisesC> *whishing learn better english
[09:52] <MoisesC> hmm
[09:52] <MoisesC> i have a theme as user
[09:52] <topyli> MoisesC: your english is perfect!
[09:52] <MoisesC> and i try to give to roots programs the same theme
[09:52] <MoisesC> but i can
[09:52] <MoisesC> thanks
[09:52] <MoisesC> *i cant
[09:52] <Cloudchaser> hello everyone...i have another question about ubuntu please..
[09:53] <Cloudchaser> i'm trying to log onto a website
[09:53] <Cloudchaser> and the password manager comes up
[09:53] <Cloudchaser> i say "yes"
[09:53] <Cloudchaser> but nothing happens
[09:53] <Cloudchaser> the window is still there
[09:53] <MoisesC> nobody looks have the same problem searching in the forums
[09:53] <MoisesC> so i guess roots programs use the same theme you set as user by default
[09:54] <Cloudchaser> no doesn't work...closing it doesn't work
[09:54] <MoisesC> but that not happens to me
[09:54] <topyli> MoisesC: anyway, it's worthless to install themes to root's home dir. you want sudo apps to inherit your user's theme
[09:54] <MoisesC> yep
[09:55] <topyli> so you want root to have the same environment variables as the user has
[09:55] <socomm> Damn xcompmgr is slow as molaces.
[09:55] <socomm> ;_;
[09:56] <MoisesC> at least for the themes, yes
[09:56] <topyli> MoisesC: oh, yeah, not _all_ the variables of course, sorry :)
[09:56] <mirak> hi
[09:56] <mirak> does anyone have a source for win32 codecs ?
[09:57] <topyli> mirak: microsoft does :)
[09:57] <mirak> I mean a sources.list source
[09:57] <topyli> mirak: the marillat sources?
[09:58] <mirak> topyli: ok so I have them, I though there was something else
[09:58] <topyli> MoisesC: sorry but i don't know. i remember having the same behavior in mandrake at some point. but i was happy with it, so i didn't start debugging
[09:59] <topyli> mirak: you want to rebuild, or why do you need it?
[09:59] <MoisesC> in mandrake is easy
[09:59] <MoisesC> run theme nagaer as root
[09:59] <MoisesC> but that not happend with ubuntu
[09:59] <MoisesC> *theme manager
[09:59] <topyli> MoisesC: if that's the case, run gnome-theme-manager as root
[10:00] <numb> does the last version support the "ati radeon x800 pro" ???
[10:00] <MoisesC> dont dhange the theme :(
[10:00] <MoisesC> *change
[10:00] <topyli> no? weird
[10:00] <MoisesC> yes
[10:00] <MoisesC> http://www.moisescabello.com/themes.png
[10:00] <MoisesC> more visual
[10:01] <aitrus> that's a nice theme
[10:01] <topyli> MoisesC: i see. so, gnome-theme-manager doesn't help when you run it as root?
[10:02] <MoisesC> topyli: exactly
[10:02] <mirak> topyli: I just need the codec
[10:02] <mirak> not the source itself
[10:02] <MoisesC> always shows the simple theme
[10:02] <MoisesC> no matters what theme i select
[10:03] <topyli> MoisesC: weird. sorry but i don't know. (except that's not the gnome "simple", that's the gtk default)
[10:03] <MoisesC> ok
[10:03] <MoisesC> thanks anyway
[10:04] <topyli> mirak: you could try and extract the binary from the package. but i don't know
[10:04] <topyli> damn i'm useless today :)
[10:06] <numb> someone? does the last version of ubuntu support the "ati radeon x800 pro" ???
[10:07] <ironwolf> numb: I don't know...Fabbione might.
[10:07] <topyli> mirak: study man dpkg and find out how to extract stuff from them. i've seen that in the documentation
[10:07] <socomm> numb: better question would be "Does ati radeon x800 pro support Ubuntu?"
[10:07] <topyli> heh
[10:08] <mirak> socomm: Does ATI support linux ?
[10:08] <numb> socomm: or does are the lastest drivers from ati included in the last ubuntu release?
[10:08] <mirak> socomm: that's the real question
[10:08] <numb> mirak: yes, badly but yes
[10:08] <ap0x> hello
[10:08] <topyli> numb: is it a very new card? if it's not, it probably works
[10:08] <ap0x> anyone willing to answer a little stupid but simple question
[10:09] <topyli> we want smart and complicated questions!
[10:09] <ap0x> i want to know what is the diffrence between  warty-release-install-i386.iso
[10:09] <ap0x> and
[10:09] <ap0x>  warty-release-live-i386.iso
[10:09] <numb> the live version you can run without installing it into the hdd
[10:09] <ap0x> i mean this live.iso, is something like knoppix?
[10:10] <Gwildor|work> live is a live cd....not installable
[10:10] <topyli> ap0x: install is the install cd to install ubuntu on your hard disk. live is the live cd that runs from the cd without installing
[10:10] <ironwolf> knoppix=live for current versions of both.
[10:10] <ap0x> oh yes, that is what i thought.....
[10:10] <socomm> numb: you can always fall back to the vesa driver.
[10:10] <ap0x> tnx everyone
[10:11] <numb> socomm: ??? [www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_3.14.1.html] 
[10:11] <socomm> Just saying if the ATi driver doesn't work you can use the vesa driver.
[10:11] <topyli> numb: you will probably get X anyway, worry about optimized X drivers later
[10:12] <topyli> socomm: exactly
[10:12] <calc> i like the fact hoary sets the resolution properly for my widescreen laptop :) warty beta didn't
[10:12] <numb> and how can i use the vesa driver?
[10:12] <numb> in the live cd
[10:13] <socomm> numb: specify it before you boot the thing.
[10:13] <topyli> numb: it Just Works, just let it happens :)
[10:13] <topyli> numb: oh sorry, you're using the live cd
[10:13] <socomm> numb: haven't used the Live-CD, so I can't give you the exact command.
[10:14] <rsa> can please someone help me to install proftpd ?
[10:14] <rsa> cant find it using apt-get
[10:14] <numb> socomm: ok, i've downloaded some time ago a ubuntu live cd, but when i try to boot it, the screen just turns black, and it appears (no signal)
[10:15] <topyli> rsa: it's there. have you enabled universe in your sources.list?
[10:15] <socomm> numb: it could be that your video adapter is not supported, yet.
[10:15] <Rob|Newbie> apt-get upgrade done now what else
[10:15] <rsa> topyli: i did, but it will not find it
[10:16] <numb> socomm: tnx
[10:16] <socomm> numb: don't mention it.
[10:16] <topyli> rsa: weird. join #flood and paste your sources.list, ok?
[10:16] <rsa> topyli: ok, w8
[10:19] <topyli> rsa: only difference i see to mine is i have multiverse too
[10:19] <topyli> but proftpd shouldn't be in multiverse
[10:20] <gen> proftpd is in universe
[10:20] <topyli> gen: yeah, but rsa can't find it
[10:20] <rsa> topyli: okey, can you please give that mirror to me ?
[10:20] <Rob|Newbie> GEN
[10:20] <gen> yes rob
[10:21] <topyli> rsa: i'll paste my own to #flood for comparison, ok?
[10:21] <socomm> rsa: `apt-cache search proftp | grep -i proftp'
[10:21] <Rob|Newbie> i finish the upgrade
[10:21] <socomm> rsa: have you updated your sources, after enabling the universe repos?
[10:21] <Rob|Newbie> anything else?
[10:22] <gen> how big was it
[10:22] <Rob|Newbie> 17.5mb
[10:22] <rsa> socomm: thx but it did not work
[10:22] <gen> should be much bigger
[10:22] <Rob|Newbie> it says i have new mail in /var/mail/rob
[10:22] <gen> did you do a dist-upgrade also
[10:22] <socomm> Rob|Newbie: `mailx'
[10:22] <rsa> socomm: hmm, will look at that ...
[10:23] <Rob|Newbie> not yet gen thats why i wanted to know what else to do
[10:23] <topyli> rsa: beware, there's some unstable stuff there too :)
[10:23] <rsa> topyli: yeah i did see ;)
[10:23] <MobyTurbo> I just got my ubuntu cds in the mail. :-) I've tried a couple of the live CDs and they don't boot. Is this normal?
[10:23] <socomm> rsa: let me check my cache.
[10:23] <Rob|Newbie> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:23] <rsa> socomm: okey, thx
[10:23] <gen> mobyturbo, other people have reported the same with the live cds
[10:24] <socomm> rsa: it's there, "proftpd - Versatile, virtual-hosting FTP daemon"
[10:24] <MobyTurbo> gen: the install CDs are ok, right?
[10:24] <gen> mobyturbo, should be yes
[10:24] <rsa> socomm: hmm, weird
[10:24] <MobyTurbo> thanks. Off to install. :-)
[10:24] <socomm> rsa: try this `apt-get update && apt-get install proftpd"
[10:24] <socomm> rsa: run that without the quotes.
[10:24] <rsa> socomm: okey, thx brb
[10:25] <socomm> rsa: be sure your run the command as sudo
[10:25] <Rob|Newbie> gen sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:26] <gen> rob, yea
[10:26] <rsa> socom: hehe, thx it worked
[10:27] <rsa> socomm:thx mate!!
[10:27] <Rob|Newbie> this 1 is 21.8mb
[10:27] <rsa> topyli: thx for your time mate!
[10:27] <socomm> rsa: don't mention it.
[10:27] <topyli> rsa: apt finds proftpd now?
[10:27] <rsa> socomm: ok. ;)
[10:27] <rsa> topyli: yeah
[10:27] <topyli> cool
[10:27] <rsa> ;)
[10:27] <jivera> Anyone know why Ubuntu does their Debian snapshots based on Unstable rather than Testing?
[10:28] <socomm> jivera: unstable, I think.
[10:28] <jivera> socomm: I know they use unstable, I was asking why.
[10:28] <hypa7ia> jivera: because unstable has more recent stuff i'd guess
[10:29] <jivera> hypa7ia: Testing's only a few days away from unstable usually and at least none of the packages conflict generally.
[10:29] <zapada> when will my ubuntu CD's come :(
[10:29] <zapada> im getting desperate for linux
[10:29] <hypa7ia> jivera: is it really only a few days difference?
[10:29] <hypa7ia> zapada: when did you order them?
[10:30] <socomm> jivera: whoops sorry misread your question.
[10:30] <zapada> 2 weeks ago
[10:30] <jivera> hypa7ia: Generally, packages take from 2 to 10 days to migrate from unstable to testing.
[10:30] <socomm> zapada: read the chans topic.
[10:30] <jivera> hypa7ia: They'll take longer if there are conflicts.
[10:30] <zapada> oh
[10:30] <zapada> hmm
[10:30] <zapada> how can I know when I ordered them?
[10:31] <rsa> It's the best thing to run proftpd as a standalone ?
[10:31] <socomm> zapada: dunno.
[10:31] <zapada> I demand ubuntu
[10:31] <topyli> jivera: unstable is careful now when sarge is close to release. it's not a normal situation
[10:31] <jdub> rsa: vsftpd
[10:31] <Gwildor|work> zapada, log into shipit, it will tell you when they shipped
[10:31] <Gwildor|work> zapada, mine shipped on the 11th, still havent gotten them
[10:31] <zapada> ok
[10:32] <zapada> mine dosent say anything about shipped
[10:32] <socomm> They're free right?
[10:32] <Gwildor|work> yeah
[10:32] <Andeim> hello
[10:32] <socomm> Then who cares when they arrive.
[10:32] <rsa> jdub: it's so easy to configure proftpd so i'll go for that
[10:32] <zapada> I care because im stuck with windows
[10:32] <Gwildor|work> oh, I was just saying, don't epext then any time, they get there when they get there
[10:32] <zapada> if I ordered lets say 10,000 CD's would I get 10,000
[10:33] <hypa7ia> zapada: i should post you some cd's, i'm in toronto :-)
[10:33] <zapada> im in Chatham!
[10:33] <Gwildor|work> zapada, im pretty sure you got what you oarderd, but if you ordered that many, they would have contacted you before they shipped it
[10:33] <topyli> zapada: where is that?
[10:33] <hypa7ia> zapada: your hostmask says barrie, i figured you were in the neighborhood :-)
[10:34] <zapada> nah, I just connect to barrie servers
[10:34] <zapada> even ottawa at times
[10:34] <zapada> but I live in chatham
[10:34] <zapada> its between windsor and london
[10:34] <Rob|Newbie> gen: and then restart?
[10:34] <gen> yea rob
[10:34] <socomm> zapada: If you can't wait why not just download the ISO?
[10:34] <hypa7ia> there are a surprising number of canadians in this channel :-)
[10:34] <zapada> socomm: 56k
[10:34] <Rob|Newbie> thanks
[10:35] <hypa7ia> socomm: methinks s/he's on dialup
[10:35] <socomm> zapada: just leave it over night.
[10:35] <topyli> zapada: i thought you were like "far away" :)
[10:35] <zapada> I can only download 100 megs per night
[10:35] <socomm> zapada: There are download managers .....
[10:35] <__daniel> hai
[10:35] <__daniel> anyone else having problems logging into the wiki?
[10:36] <__daniel> i always get "... connection terminated unexpectedly ..." error messages :-/
[10:36] <zapada> there is no bradband service where I live, except wireless internet which is rather slower compared to DSL, $50/m, and $200 for equipment
[10:36] <zapada> and im poor
[10:36] <socomm> zapada: waitings is the hardest part :^)
[10:36] <zapada> yeah
[10:37] <zapada> ill give until 2005, and then I'll freak out
[10:37] <Gwildor|work> lol
[10:37] <zapada> before christmas would be very nice
[10:37] <Gwildor|work> better get your freaing boots on
[10:37] <Gwildor|work> freaking*
[10:37] <zapada> I must have ordered them on the 13th
[10:37] <topyli> freaking boots
[10:37] <hypa7ia> i had to reboot into that other os today.... i really need to get WEP working :-/
[10:38] <hypa7ia> anyone else using ipw2200 or 2100?
[10:38] <zapada> wait no
[10:38] <zapada> I signed up for forums on 15th
[10:38] <james> hypa:  I am
[10:38] <james> the 2100
[10:38] <zapada> oh, but I changed the number of CD's after the 15th
[10:38] <zapada> would that have any impact?
[10:38] <hypa7ia> james: do you have wep working?
[10:38] <Gwildor|work> zapada, probably
[10:38] <socomm> zapada: how many cd's do you need?
[10:39] <zapada> just a couple
[10:39] <james> hypa7ia: I can connect to WEP encrypted networks, yes.
[10:39] <hypa7ia> james: could you do me a megahuge favor and copy your lsmod into pastebin?
[10:39] <hypa7ia> i have a feeling that i'm missing something
[10:39] <james> anyone know anything about why gaim thinks I don't have SSL encryption set up, when I actually do?
[10:40] <topyli> zapada: for ONLY $100 i can EXPRESS mail you a FREE UBUNTU CD! =)
[10:40] <gen> zapada, why not just download it
[10:40] <Gwildor|work> 56K
[10:40] <gen> people still have 56k eh
[10:40] <james> ipw2100                98788  0
[10:40] <james> firmware_class         10016  1 ipw2100
[10:40] <james> ieee80211              23524  1 ipw2100
[10:40] <james> ieee80211_crypt         5608  1 ieee80211
[10:41] <socomm> gen: he doesn't want to.
[10:41] <hypa7ia> thanks james :-)
[10:41] <gen> he could grab it on 56k in about over a day
[10:41] <james> anytime.
[10:41] <james> can you help w/ why gaim thinks I don't have SSL?
[10:41] <topyli> i've installed debian once over a 56k modem
[10:41] <gen> i bet that was painful
[10:41] <socomm> Download managers are your friend, when using slow connections.
[10:42] <topyli> yes
[10:42] <topyli> :)
[10:42] <james> can anyone help me?
[10:42] <gen> i've had broadband for 6 years heh
[10:42] <hypa7ia> york u debian mirror -> u of toronto: 8MB/s :-)
[10:42] <hypa7ia> now /that/ was fast.
[10:42] <socomm> james: it probably wants a newer version of ssl
[10:43] <james> I compiled the newest openssl, then recompiled gaim, and still no go.
[10:43] <topyli> gen: OTOH, i got a nice lean debian installation with no extra cruft :)
[10:43] <gen> :)
[10:43] <socomm> james: does configure detect ssl?
[10:43] <zapada> socomm: I ordered 8cd's [for me and my friends] 
[10:44] <james> ???
[10:44] <james> oh..  umm... how do I know?
[10:44] <MobyTurbo> I'm having problems installing ubuntu. The live CDs don't work period, and the install CDs don't boot - but are sometimes readable as CDs after I mount them and sometimes not.
[10:44] <topyli> zapada: good. you want extra cds to give away. it's good for the Cause
[10:45] <socomm> james: I think configure requires a special flag to enable ssl
[10:45] <socomm> james: ./configure --help | grep -i ssl
[10:45] <james> you wouldn't happen to know what it is, would you?
[10:45] <hypa7ia> MobyTurbo: might want to go a hash check on the cds to make sure they burned right
[10:45] <socomm> james: something like --enable-ssl or something
[10:45] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: I've gone through six pairs so far with the same result, they can't *all* be bad, can they?
[10:46] <james> I'll give it a try... thanks.
[10:46] <socomm> james: check the output of that command I gave you awhile ago.
[10:46] <james> I'm abotu to do that.
[10:46] <hypa7ia> MobyTurbo: quite possibly, are they decent quality cd-r's?  also, you should check the hash on the downloaded iso's
[10:46] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: I didn't download any, these are shipped.
[10:47] <hypa7ia> oh, oy, that;s a different story then :-((
[10:47] <james> thanks socomm
[10:47] <james> I'll tell you in a min if it works,.
[10:47] <socomm> james: cool
[10:48] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: should I bother to go through the rest or is it safe to assume that they all are fubar'd?
[10:48] <hypa7ia> well, it's worth checking the md5's on them
[10:49] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: md5sum -c on the file on the CD, right?
[10:49] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: that is, when the CD is readable at all.
[10:49] <hypa7ia> not sure, just looking it up
[10:49] <hypa7ia> MobyTurbo: how sure are you that the drive is good, MobyTurbo?
[10:50] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: fairly sure, I've used it less than two weeks ago to install Debian.
[10:50] <skeff> I feel the File Alteration Monitor is failing somehow..each time I install a software package the Gnome menus are being updated
[10:51] <hypa7ia> MobyTurbo: that's super weird...
[10:51] <hypa7ia> MobyTurbo: don't really know what to tell you, other than try md5'ing them if you can
[10:51] <skeff> actually now that I'm not running FAM, the menus are being updated in realtime..
[10:51] <MobyTurbo> hypa7ia: OK. Thanks for your help
[10:51] <__daniel> skeff: FAM and menus aren't related
[10:52] <skeff> __daniel, so how do Gnome detect changes then?
[10:52] <__daniel> skeff: update-menus is used for it
[10:53] <skeff> __daniel, is that a daemon monitoring menu directories or is a command I'm supposed to run to manually force a menu content update?
[10:53] <jdub> skeff: see /usr/share/applications
[10:53] <ramzez> hi, can anyone help me to configure power managment?
[10:53] <jdub> skeff: GNOME does not use the Debian menu system, it uses something very much like the freedesktop.org menu system (and in GNOME 2.10, it will use it properly)
[10:53] <skeff> jdub, yes?
[10:56] <kent> I think its kind of bad that some packages dont turn up in the gnome menu. Like i added Tuxracer on my brothers computer this day, but it dont come up in the menu :(
[10:56] <jdub> kent: they just need menu entries
[10:56] <jdub> kent: note that tuxracer is not a supported package :)
[10:57] <Gwildor|work> kent, that is on purpose, as to not bloat the menues
[10:57] <jdub> Gwildor|work: it's not on purpose
[10:58] <topyli> we want debian menu :)
[10:58] <Gwildor|work> jdub, I was told it is
[10:58] <ramzez> how can i run a file with sh extension?
[10:58] <jdub> topyli: it's badly structured and support for it has been removed upstream.
[10:58] <jdub> topyli: at some stage, the debian menu system will write out freedesktop.org compatible stuff, which we'll have to deal with.
[10:58] <jdub> Gwildor|work: it wasn't.
[10:59] <topyli> jdub: it's a mess and has to go. but there will be a solution, i trust in you =)
[10:59] <hypa7ia> ramzez: make sure it's executable, then ./file.sh
[10:59] <Gwildor|work> jdub, then what is the reason that all apt-getable apps don't make it to the menu?
[10:59] <jdub> Gwildor|work: if you look at the tuxracer version, it doesn't have "ubuntu" in it, which means we haven't changed it. it's also unsupported. :-)
[10:59] <topyli> we want freedesktop.org menu!
[10:59] <jdub> Gwildor|work: because they don't have menu entries, either done by ubuntu or debian.
[11:00] <ramzez> why am i getting this error?
[11:00] <Gwildor|work> jdub, xine made it to the menu, no icon, but in the menu
[11:00] <skeff> I don't get the gDesklets to run.. is it just me?
[11:00] <ramzez> ramzez@ubuntu:~ $ sudo powernowd
[11:00] <ramzez> Password:
[11:00] <ramzez> powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.90, (c) 2003-2004 John Clemens
[11:00] <ramzez> powernowd: Found 1 cpu:
[11:00] <ramzez> Couldn't open file: No such file or directory
[11:00] <hypa7ia> ramzez: what error?
[11:00] <ramzez> Couldn't open file: No such file or directory
[11:00] <ramzez> Couldn't open file: No such file or directory
[11:00] <ramzez> couldn't open govn's file for writing: No such file or directory
[11:00] <ramzez> Couldn't get per-cpu data: Illegal seek
[11:00] <ramzez> PowerNowd encountered and error and could not start.
[11:00] <ramzez> Please make sure that:
[11:00] <gen> ramzez is this #flood?
[11:00] <ramzez>  - You are running a v2.5/v2.6 kernel or later
[11:01] <ramzez>  - That you have sysfs mounted /sys
[11:01] <hypa7ia> ramzes ztop psting
[11:01] <ramzez>  - That you have the core cpufreq and cpufreq-userspace
[11:01] <ramzez>    modules loaded into your kernel
[11:01] <gen> ramzez STOP
[11:01] <topyli> Gwildor|work: some apps do the work themselves of getting into the vanilla gnome menu
[11:01] <ramzez>  - That you have the cpufreq driver for your cpu loaded,
[11:01] <ramzez>    and that it works. (check dmesg for errors)
[11:01] <ramzez> If all of the above are true, and you still have problems,
[11:01] <ramzez> please email the author: clemej@alum.rpi.edu
[11:01] <jdub> Gwildor|work: xine-ui? sure, it probably had an item in debian. note that xine-ui is not in main.
[11:01] <gen> ramzez you idiot
[11:01] <ramzez> sorry :-)
[11:01] <skeff> oh great, there is no op here..
[11:01] <hypa7ia> ramzez: PLEASE use #flood or http://pastebin.com
[11:01] <jdub> skeff: there are ops here, but they don't have ops all the time
[11:01] <Gwildor|work> OMG...work is over......ttyl
[11:01] <ramzez> i didn't now that, from now on i will
[11:02] <topyli> i've never noticed an op here
[11:02] <gen> there are topyli
[11:02] <jdub> :-)
[11:02] <hypa7ia> thanks ramzez :-)
[11:02] <__daniel> so you're all fine with the wiki?
[11:02] <topyli> hehe
[11:02] <ramzez> so anyone had it?
[11:02] <topyli> ok, i'll watch it from now on :)
[11:03] <jdub> ramzez: sounds like your cpufreq drivers are not loaded
[11:03] <ramzez> how do i load it?
[11:03] <hypa7ia> ramzez: what kind of cpu?
[11:03] <ramzez> coopermine p3
[11:03] <ramzez> when i do /sbin/lsmod it shows speedstep-lib which is correct
[11:03] <will_> tyop
[11:03] <will_> typo!
[11:04] <Grex> did u report me to the cia?
[11:04] <Grex> :)
[11:04] <Grex> The Yener and Krishnamoorthy proposal says their research will begin Jan. 1, 2005 but does not say which IRC servers will be monitored.
[11:04] <ramzez> acpi and powernowd loaded at boot with no errors
[11:04] <Grex> the cia is going to monitor IRC as of jan 1 2005
[11:04] <Grex> alala
[11:04] <Grex> ubuntu needs to have more security
[11:05] <topyli> Grex: i've been watching you all the time. you blew it by showing yourself in public like this
[11:05] <hypa7ia> Grex: some networks have always been monitored... irc.2600.net for example.
[11:05] <ramzez> hypa7ia, any ideas?
[11:06] <Grex> topyli:    kewl
[11:06] <hypa7ia> ramzez: lsmod | grep speedstep     does this get anything?
[11:06] <Grex> hypa7ia:  interesting
[11:06] <Grex> why irc.2600.net?
[11:07] <topyli> go see
[11:07] <jdub> Grex: can you please take this discussion elsewhere?
[11:07] <hypa7ia> #ubuntu-offtopic perhaps?
[11:07] <ramzez> hypa7ia, yep "speedstep_lib 4356 0"
[11:07] <Grex> hypa7ia you therE?
[11:07] <hypa7ia> ramzez: weird, it should work
[11:08] <linux_mafia> man, even though its a little unstable, beagle rocks
[11:08] <ramzez> do i need to edit some files? i only installed ubuntu a couple of days ago
[11:08] <ramzez> my first linux experience
[11:08] <jdub> linux_mafia: we're hoping to get it into hoary properly :)
[11:08] <superted> hm
[11:09] <superted> im very eager to try it, but don't got the time to start messing about with cvs deps etc :\
[11:09] <falco> is it just me or there're problems accessing http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ ?
[11:09] <gen> just you
[11:09] <falco> :(
[11:10] <linux_mafia> jdub, that would be cool
[11:10] <hypa7ia> ramzez: i can't help you further i'm afraid, that's as far as i've gotten too :-(
[11:11] <gen> no zealots allowed
[11:11] <topyli> ramzez: if you need to edit files by hand, it's considered a bug =)
[11:11] <Nivlem> anyone here had trouble with rythmbox? When I tell it to open a stream from Shoutcast it just locks up and never plays anything...
[11:11] <gen> hoary nivlem?
[11:11] <Nivlem> No...warty
[11:12] <topyli> Nivlem: perhaps you don't have mp3 support?
[11:12] <Nivlem> Ummm...I am listening to said stream with xmms right now...
[11:13] <gen> nivlem, what is the audio set up to use in rb
[11:13] <Nivlem> I would have presumed that rythmbox would have had this setup since it is part of the install of Warty?
[11:13] <gen> oss, alsa?
[11:13] <linux_mafia> jdub, ive been looking at garret's design wiki, beagle is gonna bring some awesome new features to the desktop soon, i'm loving it
[11:14] <topyli> Nivlem: doesn't matter. rhythmbox uses gstreamer and xmms doesn't. you need mp3 for gstreamer. i think the package you need is gstreamer0-8-mad (or some such)
[11:14] <Nivlem> gen: Interesting question....it appears the default mixer that is installed with Warty has both OSS and ALSA...but I would presume alsa
[11:14] <linux_mafia> jdub, him and joe shaw etc seem like some bloody smart guys
[11:14] <gen> nivlem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:14] <ramzez> oh, i c
[11:14] <gen> need to get gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:14] <ramzez> so i need to have this folder? cd /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[11:15] <Rob|Newbie> gen it worked :)
[11:15] <ramzez> cause i have nothing under cpu0
[11:15] <Nivlem> topyli: Ok..kewl thanks...that is available under restricted formats repository?
[11:15] <gen> good rob
[11:15] <topyli> Nivlem: you'll have to enable "universe". see the link gen gave you above
[11:15] <Rob|Newbie> now what we do :)
[11:16] <Nivlem> I have universe enabled ;-)
[11:16] <topyli> Nivlem: oh. so you should find gstreamer0.8-mad easily :)
[11:17] <kent> topyli, isn't the plugin in restricted, not in universe?
[11:17] <Nivlem> kent: Don't know...but I just installed it ;-)
[11:17] <topyli> heh
[11:18] <gen> its in universe
[11:18] <timello> hi there, which tool can I configure my keyboard map?
[11:18] <gen> Filename: pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.5-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:18] <Nivlem> topyli: Kinda surprised though that it isn't installed default...
[11:18] <gen> legal reasons im sure nivlem
[11:19] <topyli> kent: but i agree it's an uncool package and might as well be in "multiverse"
[11:19] <ramzez> how can i run this scirpt script.sh?
[11:19] <jdub> kent: restricted is for drivers only
[11:19] <topyli> Nivlem: cannot be installed by default, mp3 is legally dubious
[11:19] <gen> right click ramzez, run in terminal
[11:19] <gen> sorry open, then run in terminal
[11:19] <Nivlem> Ahhhh....thanks all....that is much nicer...heh
[11:20] <gen> np nivlem
[11:21] <Rob|Newbie> how do i know im running hoary?
[11:21] <Nivlem> Next question is about a firewire hard drive with 3 partitions and the device naming convention(s)...it is /dev/sdb(the whole drive) with partitions named Music, Bak, and Graphics...anyone enlighten me?
[11:21] <topyli> Rob|Newbie: if you're running hoary you'll know. or you'll be in trouble :)
[11:21] <Rob|Newbie> lol i'm not right now =D
[11:22] <Nivlem> topyli: How unstable is "unstable"?
[11:22] <gen> depends nivlim
[11:22] <gen> no definite answer to that really
[11:22] <topyli> Nivlem: right now it's not bad. somtimes it's better, sometimes worse
[11:23] <ramzez> cheers
[11:23] <Nivlem> gen: I will wait since I run PPC warty... ;-)
[11:23] <Rob|Newbie> gen, i cant install xfce4 or others
[11:23] <MyOldSock> Hi guys, complete linux n00b here, wondering where to start for configuring an internal dsl modem in ubuntu
[11:23] <gen> you never enabled uni/multi rob
[11:23] <socomm> MyOldSock: pppoeconf
[11:23] <Rob|Newbie> i know
[11:23] <protocol> hey all
[11:23] <protocol> :)
[11:24] <ramzez> so can anyone give me example of  cpuinfo_cur_freq cpuinfo_max_freq cpuinfo_min_freq files in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 ?
[11:24] <socomm> MyOldSock: assuming you're ISP utilizes PPPoE
[11:24] <Nivlem> MyOldSock: You should probably check dmesg and see if it is seeing your internal dsl device as well...
[11:24] <gen> ask room rob, i need to grab some food
[11:24] <Rob|Newbie> no prob thanks
[11:24] <protocol> anyone in here using Fluxbox? I'm having some problems getting fonts to work
[11:24] <Rob|Newbie> i think i can manager
[11:24] <MyOldSock> socomm: I'm used to driver files and other ungodly M$ , pppoeconf .. I run that from the 'run command' option? what sort of curly questions is it likely to ask me that I can prepare answers for?
[11:24] <Nivlem> greets protocol:
[11:25] <protocol> hey Nivlem :>
[11:25] <MyOldSock> socomm: under systems configuration, it reports the dsl modem as AccessRunner PCI etc etc, so it seems to be finding it.
[11:25] <protocol> I'm havin 0 luck getting these fonts to work in Ubuntu... any ideas guys?
[11:26] <Nivlem> protocol:Sorry no help here
[11:26] <Rob|Newbie> Hello, I'm trying to install xfce4 and others and i went into my sources and added multiverse next to universe
[11:26] <socomm> MyOldSock: run it from a terminal, the command is `pppoeconf'
[11:26] <Rob|Newbie> do i need to log out or something?
[11:27] <protocol> hmm... kinda get me aggrivated. did fc-cache -fv ./ and all and still nothing.  I editied XF86Config-4 and added the FontPath and all...and nothing...
[11:27] <Nivlem> Rob|Newbie: No just tell it to update "edit --> reload package list"
[11:27] <protocol> Rob|Newbie, did you apt-get it already?
[11:27] <socomm> It asks for username, password, and sometimes your ISP's nameserver IP address.
[11:27] <randomsn> I have my ntfs partition mounted, but I can only see it as root.  What do you I need to change?
[11:27] <randomsn> "/dev/hda1	/Windows	ntfs	ro,user,noauto	0	0"
[11:28] <protocol> randomsn, change permisions... or edit fstab
[11:28] <MyOldSock> socomm: thanks for your help :)
[11:28] <Rob|Newbie> i did update it apt-get update
[11:28] <randomsn> protocol: What would I change in that fstab line?  I can't chmod because it's read-only.
[11:28] <protocol> Rob|Newbie, did you do apt-get install xfrce4
[11:29] <Rob|Newbie> i tried yes
[11:29] <protocol> randomsn, add umask=000
[11:29] <Rob|Newbie> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:29] <Rob|Newbie> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:29] <Rob|Newbie> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[11:29] <protocol> like this: /dev/hda1 /Windows ntfs ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[11:29] <randomsn> Great.  That worked.  Thanks.
[11:29] <protocol> np ;)
[11:30] <protocol> Rob|Newbie, do apt-get install xfce
[11:30] <socomm> protocol: should be xfce4.
[11:30] <Rob|Newbie> i did
[11:30] <Rob|Newbie> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:30] <Rob|Newbie> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:30] <Rob|Newbie> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[11:30] <Rob|Newbie> samething
[11:31] <protocol> hmm
[11:31] <protocol> thats very stranges
[11:31] <protocol> did you check your apt.sources?
[11:31] <Rob|Newbie> i also tried kde
[11:31] <Rob|Newbie> yea
[11:31] <Rob|Newbie> universe multiverse thats what i put
[11:31] <will_> Rob|Newbie:dont paste here so much use #flood
[11:32] <socomm> Rob|Newbie: I'm assuming that you've added the univers repos, and the updated your cache.
[11:33] <kent> Rob|Newbie, i can find it with synaptic so its there, you must be doing something wrong.
[11:33] <Rob|Newbie>  i dont think im doing something wrong i done it before with other distros, its just a ubuntu thing
[11:34] <socomm> Rob|Newbie: xfce4 shows up here.
[11:34] <randomsn> OK, one more problem.  When I plug in my USB thumbdrive, HAL picks up on it (it is in the device manager), but it isn't mounted on the desktop.  Any ideas?
[11:34] <socomm> randomsn: try mounting it by hand.
[11:35] <will_> Rob|Newbie: it works for everyone else....double check your /etc/apt/sources.list when you save it make sure you have root privalages, otherwise it wont save!! (sudo)
[11:36] <topyli> Rob|Newbie: paste you sources.list in #flood and let's see
[11:36] <__daniel> the ubuntu.com-webserver guy isnt here atm? :-)
[11:36] <randomsn> socomm: It says only root can do that.
[11:36] <gen> randomsn, use sudo
[11:37] <randomsn> Yeah, that works, but I want it to do that through HAL/GVM.  Why wouldn't it?  It seems like a permissions issue of some kind?
[11:37] <Rob|Newbie> there u go
[11:38] <randomsn> OK, well, do I need to change something about the user I am logged in as?
[11:38] <kent> Rob|Newbie, but you dont have universe there!  uncomment.
[11:38] <randomsn> Shouldn't this just work?
[11:38] <Rob|Newbie> yes i do i added multiverse next to universe
[11:38] <gen> did you uncomment it rob
[11:38] <topyli> Rob|Newbie: your universe and multiverse are not enabled. remove the # comment from those lines
[11:38] <kent> Rob|Newbie, but you need to uncomment that line.
[11:38] <gen> if it is commented rob, it isn't enabled..
[11:38] <Rob|Newbie> oh
[11:39] <Rob|Newbie> i did'nt know
[11:39] <Rob|Newbie> thanks
[11:39] <Rob|Newbie> let me check
[11:39] <gen> so uncomment it, save, then sudo apt-get update
[11:39] <gen> then sudo apt-get show xfce4
[11:39] <gen> to see if you can see it
[11:39] <will_> and...hey presto!
[11:39] <gen> oops
[11:39] <gen> i said apt-get show
[11:39] <gen> apt-cache show xfce4
[11:39] <gen> *
[11:39] <Nivlem> Can someone recommend a good burning software for Ubuntu? XCdRoast has issues with not wanting to see my firewire DVD burner...
[11:40] <Rob|Newbie> E: Invalid OPeration
[11:40] <kent> Nivlem, k3b.
[11:40] <gen> which part
[11:40] <randomsn> Nivlem: gnomebaker
[11:40] <Rob|Newbie> but i typed apt-cache show xfce4
[11:40] <gen> rob, you need to be way more specific
[11:40] <gen> did you sudo apt-get update
[11:40] <gen> after you saved it
[11:40] <gen> ..
[11:40] <socomm> Nivlem: k3b, assuming you don't mind qt.
[11:41] <Rob|Newbie> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # sudo apt-get show xfce4
[11:41] <Rob|Newbie> E: Invalid operation show
[11:41] <Rob|Newbie> root@user-0cev21p:/home/rob # apt-get show xfce
[11:41] <Rob|Newbie> E: Invalid operation show
[11:41] <Rob|Newbie> yes i did
[11:41] <gen> i said apt-cache
[11:41] <will_> Rob|Newbie: use sudo
[11:41] <gen> sudo apt-cache show xfce4
[11:41] <gen> i accidentally put get first time
[11:41] <gen> then corrected myself
[11:41] <will_> Rob: sudo apt-cache show xfce4
[11:41] <gen> so rob, do the sudo apt-get update
[11:41] <gen> sudo apt-cache show xfce4
[11:41] <gen> yes
[11:42] <topyli> yep, not apt-get but apt-cache
[11:42] <will_> rob: sudo apt-get install xfce4
[11:42] <Rob|Newbie> chck #flood
[11:42] <Rob|Newbie> ya
[11:42] <Nivlem> socomm: so it will run without needing a bunch of KDE libs?
[11:42] <Rob|Newbie> =)
[11:42] <will_> who like ICEwm here?
[11:42] <socomm> Nivlem: no, K3B == HEAVY KDE app.
[11:43] <Rob|Newbie> not me
[11:43] <Nivlem> randomsn: I don't see gnomebaker
[11:43] <Nivlem> socomm: Ok...synaptic should add the dependencies no?
[11:43] <socomm> Nivlem: correct.
[11:43] <Nivlem> socomm: Great..thanks
[11:44] <socomm> Nivlem: good luck.
[11:45] <will_> Nivlem: http://biddell.co.uk/gnomebaker.php
[11:47] <usual> Setting up nautilus (2.9.1-0ubuntu1)
[11:47] <usual> muhuhahaha
[11:48] <gen> won't be a problem usual, i'm using it currently
[11:48] <usual> cool
[11:48] <usual> any changes visible?
[11:48] <Nivlem> will: thanks...I am assuming the .deb file works for us?
[11:49] <gen> not really usual
[11:49] <usual> k
[11:49] <usual> hopefully bugfixes
[11:50] <ramzez> right, i think i now why powernowd doens't work, that's because i have nothing under cpu0 folder and can't create anythign, does anyone had this problem?
[11:50] <will_> Nivlem: ummm they have it as a zipped tarball, just install to /usr/local/gnomebaker
[11:51] <Nivlem> will_: Yes that was my question...I assumed that the debian link was for a package..but it wasn't..k I will compile it.. ;-)
[11:51] <will_> Nivlemi found that too!
[11:51] <topyli> warty is in a very good shape it seems. only security fixes, no bad bugs. nothing i'm used to in debian unstable and mandrake :)
[11:53] <ajmitch_> topyli: not too bad for a first release, is it?
[11:53] <will_> Nivlem they have a tarball
[11:53] <Nivlem> topyli: yeah...mandrake even though has released it as final...you have to partition ahead of time if you are using a second hard drive just for linux...
[11:53] <Nivlem> will_: Yep got it...
[11:55] <will_> Nivlem: what are the commands to compile?
[11:56] <kent> will_, ./configure   and then "make". But i run configure a second ago, and it ran make automatic.
[11:57] <kent> will_, but gnomebaker did not detect my burner :(
[11:57] <will_> humm
[11:57] <usual> just dh_make
[11:57] <usual> then debian/rules binary
[11:57] <usual> build a deb
[11:57] <will_> i get configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[11:58] <will_> at the end
[11:58] <__daniel> will_: what does     ls -la /bin/cpp     say?
[11:58] <will_> __daniel: oh! no such file or dir
[11:58] <Nivlem> will_: all at once? ./configure && make && make install
[11:59] <Nivlem> will_: this assumes you have the compiler and all it needs to do it...which it appears Ubuntu is not doing on install...
[11:59] <Nivlem> anyone my .configure is griping about not have aclocal-1.4...synaptic don't find it?