[12:00] ok ok [12:00] elmo: around? [12:00] so go with the compatibility stuff === jdub attempts to fix the NDEBUG assert b0rk [12:19] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) hrm... gonna have to reboot [12:19] (lamont/#ubuntu-devel) changing IP's will do that to you... === will_ [~will@1-1-7-19a.ars.sth.bostream.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] wiki login has been fixed === enrico cheers elmo === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-31-5.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] mdz: ping [12:37] 'night [12:37] night seb128 [12:37] night seb128 [12:37] elmo: did you see my paste above? [12:37] <__daniel> bye seb128 === __daniel [~daniel@td9091bd7.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:51] elmo: one last upload from chinstrap, because the mysql package was already there anyway. Sorry... === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] jdub: err, yes, why is that a surprise? [12:51] your key isn't in the debian keyring? [12:51] pitti: why doesn't ftp work for you? is it just with this server or in general? [12:51] elmo: it's a general problem with my ISP [12:51] elmo: it works, but it is sloooooooooow [12:51] elmo: that's why I scp it onto another host and ftp from there [12:51] elmo: if chinstrap is to be avoided, I can also route it through my own server [12:51] pitti: ok - I just want to encourage people to test out the new upload daemon - if ftp is fux0red for you, you can use chinstrap [12:51] elmo: boh [12:51] elmo: tomorrow I have some smaller packages to fix, I will test it then [12:51] i thought putting those in DEFAULTS would default to ubuntu [12:51] bong === jdub uses the other setting === D0wnXcaST [56732@modemcable094.185-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] night === moyogo [~moyogo@HSE-Toronto-ppp189288.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] night === jdub [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] maybe re-iping things wasn't the best timed act of the day... :-( [01:35] grumble. bounced mail. only about 60 messages though. :-( === magnon [~magnon@cD9088834.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === magnon [~magnon@cD9088834.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas_ [~lucas@ca-grenoble-1-147.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] hi [02:02] somebody with some debian-cd knowledge ? [02:02] I need to build iso with software from (uni|multi)verse [02:02] it isn't supported, right ? [02:03] am I right when I think that the easiest way to fix this is to grep for "restricted" and see what was changed to add "restricted" support ? === magnon [~magnon@cD9088834.sdsl.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] lucas_: I started with a copy of the CD, added files, replaced the Packages/Sources/Release files, and reburned the CD [02:28] the rune to make the ISO is "mkisofs -r -V 'Ubuntu 4.10 i386 Bin-1' -o warty-install-i386-hacked.iso -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table wherever-your-new-tree-is" [02:28] understanding what that means is left as an exercise. === lamont built a warty install-dvd [02:34] is discover only called on install of ubuntu? [02:34] or each boot [02:35] only on install [02:35] during install [02:38] why only durring install? [02:40] lupus_: because warty doesn't use discover. [02:40] well, mostly [02:41] hotplug is better, basically and we're migrating to it [02:41] +even in the installer [02:41] ah so hotplug is not used in the installer at the moment [02:41] only discover [02:44] yeah [02:44] tho, that's already changed in hoary [03:00] so /etc/hotplug is for coldplugging and /etc/hotplug.d to have hotplugging? sorry I'm trying to understand how hardware is detected and configured [03:03] nm I'm wrong :) === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nmf [~nmf@81.193.170.173] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] http://mail.nl.linux.org/humorix/2004-11/msg00002.html === sladen chuckles === ironwolf giggles === lamont sleeps [03:39] jdub: heh [03:49] the final live cd looks brill [03:50] (sladen/#ubuntu-devel) "final" ? [03:50] warty? yeah, it's pretty. [03:52] sladen: the release version, on the pretty printed cds :) [03:52] i didn't have the b/w to pull many live cd releases [03:54] ironwolf: did your order show up yet, btw? [03:54] lamont: no, only 3 days left too... [03:55] lamont: although I have had lots more local interest in them when they arrive. [03:56] blah, I can't rightclick files and create an archive anymore [03:58] vino + damage == rock! [04:02] well, night [04:02] later lamont [04:03] night lamont === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> tolkien.freenode.net === _rene_ [~rene@dsl-213-023-037-044.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chrisa [~chris@nullcode.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amu [~amu@195.71.9.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === winkle [~winkle@lgh3814234.vittran.norrnod.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [~mdz@69-167-148-207.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kylem [~kyle@CPE0030ab0b413b-CM023469906297.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robtaylor [~robtaylor@217.204.121.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel === [Clint] [~c123p456@user-12hdtek.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rabidbt [~rabidbt@66.45.74.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-31-5.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] lamont around? === ironwolf 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[~mbanck@lxsrv150.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [~sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] lamont: ping === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:38] Hi all [08:44] doko: woo! === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] jdub: what were you pinging about before ? [08:58] don't remember :) [08:58] oh [08:58] here's something though [08:58] baz register-archive -> do you ever register anything other than an archive? [08:58] oh, ui names ? [08:58] ie baz register ? [08:58] yeah [08:59] sounds good, chuck it in the mockup UI :) [08:59] ping lamont [08:59] lifeless: also, what do you think about splitting that page up a bit? it's getting unwieldy [08:59] lifeless: happy to take an initial stab at it [08:59] please do [09:03] elmo: here? [09:18] doko: ping? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-2-146.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] morning [09:40] jdub: #4092 is WONTFIX, right ? [09:41] yeah, atm [09:42] Hi seb128 [09:43] hey pitti === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-32-105.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c153063.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RubenV [~lambda1@kn-res.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] I really must actually upload our modified debian-cd to hoary for this release === mvo_ [~Michael@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:27] hey Kamion [10:27] Kamion: kernel-wedge doesn't like symlinks :( [10:27] things need to be copied in proper places for it to work [10:28] can you elaborate? [10:28] oh, make-links and clean [10:28] sure... [10:28] yeah, but dpkg-source doesn't much like symlinks in diffs either [10:28] at best they'll get expanded into real files [10:28] remeber we agreed on the dir structure of debian/d-i/ ? [10:28] so you might as well copy [10:28] yes [10:29] perfect.. to generate debian/control from control.stub, kernel-wedge accesses a bunch of files like modules// [10:29] the original idea was to symlink those from the top level directory [10:29] but kernel-wedge just delete the symlinks [10:29] so they need to be copied and removed [10:29] in order to keep the top level dir clean [10:30] perhaps it would be nice for kernel-wedge to understand symlinks [10:30] right, but all the modules/ directories are separate anyway [10:30] you might as well just copy them [10:30] no big deal.. just some extra cp rm work [10:30] Kamion: yes.. i agree. i don't want to clutter the top level dir. [10:30] since it is the top level of the kernel [10:30] and still other files need to be copied per arch [10:31] and this will also keep the merging easier [10:39] pitti: pong === jvw [jeroen@145.97.220.255] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] mdz: Hi! [10:40] mdz: can you please take a look at the mysql USN? [10:40] mdz: I try to reach lamont or elmo to investigate the missing build from ppc, but as soon as this is sorted out, I can publish it [10:40] pitti: ok [10:40] pitti: you can reproduce the problem, right? it is not just me? [10:41] mdz: "the problem" ==? [10:41] I straced it and it is not calling mlock(2) [10:41] pitti: gpg [10:41] mdz: ah [10:41] mdz: I followed up the bug report [10:41] mdz: it's a buildd problem [10:41] yes, very strange [10:41] mdz: it works fine when I build it on my machine and I investigated the cause of the problem [10:41] mdz: luckily the warty version was built correctly [10:41] I saw [10:42] pitti: what do you want me to look at for mysql? [10:42] mdz: just the USN text [10:42] I sent email to the list regarding the diffs [10:42] ok [10:43] i think some buildd chroots are having problems [10:43] mdz: https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/usn-mysql.txt [10:43] like having too many apt entries [10:43] fabbione: so far I only had problems with amd64, it's my first ppc failure [10:43] pitti: it should note explicitly that -0837 and -0956 require an authenticated mysql user in order to exploit [10:44] pitti: i noticed gdb has been built [10:44] but using universe packages [10:44] that means that some stuff might be actually building for mistake [10:44] (talking about hoary) === lucas_ [~lucas@ca-grenoble-2-60.w80-8.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:44] Hi [10:45] I've always been confused by "warty-updates" vs "warty" dists on the mirror === mvo_ [~Michael@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] from what I understand, some updates go in "warty", but not all of them ? [10:45] or is "warty" totally frozen ? [10:45] warty's totally frozen [10:45] ok [10:46] mdz: fixed [10:48] lucas_: changes in warty are mainly security fixes [10:48] those go in warty-security right ? [10:49] yes [10:49] why ? [10:55] lucas_: as described on the website, stable releases receive only security fixes and other critical bug fixes [10:56] pitti: the advisory text needs a few more changes, I will send you an updated version [10:56] mdz: okay, thanks [10:57] yup, my question was about building warty CDs that include the security/bug fixes [10:57] but I need to read more debian-cd code [10:57] (I'm only limited help here because I've never actually tried doing that ...) [10:58] ok, I think I'll start by building CDs based on released warty packages, ignoring updates [11:00] that will certainly be easier === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] no plans to release ubuntu 4.10r(0..n) ? [11:00] don't believe so [11:01] ok [11:01] lucas_: not much point, with a 6-month release schedule. This isn't Debian. ;) [11:02] yeah I know, I was just asking because it would have helped me a lot ;) [11:02] you could investigate update-cd I guess, but that's *really* never been tested with Ubuntu [11:02] ok [11:07] the easiest would probably be to write a tool that would merge warty-update and warty-security inside warty [11:07] so there's no need to hack debian-cd [11:07] (merge in the local mirror) [11:09] lucas_: do you really need the security updates on the CD ? [11:09] it's not high priority, but it would be better [11:10] some of my "customers" don't have broadband [11:10] lucas_: that's a bit scary; debian-cd *is* capable of reading multiple Packages files in general so it shouldn't be necessary [11:10] don't forget grenoble != la doua ;) [11:10] ok [11:10] lucas_: people who have a network connection just have to download these updates, what's the security issue with people who don't have a network connection ? [11:11] the problem is for people who have a network connection but not broadband [11:11] lucas_: bah, just wondering if a student with no connection really needs the security updates [11:11] lucas_: security updates already are that big ? [11:11] not sure [11:11] depends on what is updated ;) [11:12] lucas_: we have talked about producing CDs containing only security updates [11:12] seb128: yes, often [11:12] ok [11:12] seb128: xfree86 has been updated, e.g. [11:12] right [11:12] lucas_: that is what I recommend that you do, if you are interested in pursuing this [11:12] doko: around? [11:13] mdz: it might be difficult regarding my user base === __daniel [~daniel@td9091c7f.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] <__daniel> hai [11:13] well, that's not high priority anyway [11:14] bbl [11:21] mdz: lucas_ is doing a single CD with a number of other modifications anyway [11:22] mdz: it makes little sense for him to waste time creating a separate security update CD [11:24] Kamion: except that the work would be reusable [11:25] sure, but it's not what his userbase wants [11:26] see ubuntu-devel@ [11:26] there's no point trying to get reusable work out of somebody when it's not usable for them [11:28] mdz: oh, if you didn't notice, I moved mozilla-browser/mozilla-psm from ship to supported yesterday [11:28] there seemed to be reasonable consensus for at least that step [11:29] that's fine by me === tuo2 [~foo@218.214.36.114] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] % linda *.changes [11:36] Happy birthday to me! [11:36] I'm 3 today! [11:36] oh dear [11:38] Kamion: his userbase will eventually need to download security updates; creating an updated CD doesn't solve that problem at all [11:38] the security update CD approach has the clear advantage of actually working on an ongoing basis [11:38] it'll be no worse than for our own CDs though [11:39] I don't think he has a problem either with his userbase having to download some updates or with updating his CD every so often [11:40] elmo: linda scares me === rburton [~ross@84.12.27.219] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] ok, I guess I don't understand the use case then [11:41] elmo: can you please look why the mysql security update did not built on ppc? [11:44] err, it looks like lamont disabled warty-security on the powerpc buildds by mistake [11:44] elmo: can you fix that or shall I wait for lamont? [11:44] I'll have a quick look in a bit [11:44] thank [11:44] s [11:45] mdz: he's lending CDs to other students in his student union who aren't very computer-knowledgeable; he needs to remove/add some packages to provide for the students' special needs, and he needs to make some changes to the installer too [11:45] mdz: the ones that can't download security updates are the ones who don't have an internet connection, so that's not such a big deal [11:45] mdz: I think his rationale for updating the CD with security updates is just that he might as well, it's a nice-to-have [11:45] in that case, I don't see the point of bothering with security updates at all [11:46] ok [11:47] I can certainly see the rationale; if you're going to build a CD now, it might as well be current [11:48] mdz: oh, have a happy holiday! :-) [11:48] thanks [11:48] mdz: thanksgiving is another opportunity to stuff one's stomach with far too much food, right? [11:49] correct [11:49] mdz: enjoy :-)) [11:49] hehehe [11:56] # list of distributions that buildd should take packages from [11:56] @take_from_dists = qw(stable frozen unstable); === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-32-105.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] *boggle* [11:57] hooray for buildd [11:57] elmo: looks like someone installed a new w-b, heh [11:58] yeesh, pciutils still has no DH_COMPAT or debian/compat? bleh [11:58] elmo: do you have access to the ia64 thingies? [11:59] daniels: blink - of course? [11:59] elmo: do you care to spin a build around them, or should I harass lamont when he wakes? === George^Deka [~george@093.b.008.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] harass lamont to get debootstrap working, then I can create a hoary chroot on the port box [12:01] elmo: k, cheers [12:01] lamont: harass, harass, p.u.c/~daniels/xorg, etc [12:02] pitti: ok, should be fixed now [12:02] elmo: thanks [12:02] (or at least the powerpc buildds will start building things now) [12:02] elmo: it will automatically arrive at rookery now? [12:02] elmo: or must there be a trigger of some kind? [12:02] night, all [12:02] night mdz [12:02] 'night mdz [12:02] sleep well [12:03] pitti: err, jackass you mean? yes [12:03] mdz: night [12:03] elmo: yes, of course. jackass [12:04] why doesn't nautilus allow one to open a folder multiple times on multiple desktops? [12:06] bug ? [12:06] Mithrandir: you can in browse mode; spatial is spatial. [12:06] oh, doesn't [12:06] I misread [12:06] Mithrandir: the window *is* the folder. [12:06] jdub: but the window is on another desktop. [12:07] jdub: it means I have to race xpdf to make it open on the right desktop. [12:07] ? [12:07] what are you trying to open/start, and how ? [12:07] Mithrandir: you're saying that the window is open, and you try to open it again, but it does nothing (because it's already open on the other desktop)? [12:08] jdub: no, it moves me to the other desktop. [12:08] which is totally surprising. [12:08] it should move the window on the current one [12:08] seb128: agreed. [12:08] it does here [12:08] not here, but I'm using openbox. [12:09] oh, so probably an openbox bug [12:09] it does here too [12:17] elmo: $ ps aux|grep ntpd [12:17] ntp 2052 0.0 0.4 3516 3516 ? SLs 12:16 0:00 ./ntpd [12:17] elmo: :-) === gicmo [~gicmo@sonynb3.fmi.uni-passau.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:19] pitti: sweet thanks [12:19] hi [12:19] elmo: well, it needs some tweaks (to work also on non-cap kernels and such), but it works in principle [12:20] elmo: so is davis fully set up to be abused? [12:20] pitti: next I need you to fix... ssh, cron, klogd, sylogd, postfix and getty.. kthxbye [12:20] ;-) [12:20] daniels: AFAIK, yeah [12:20] elmo: ssh? easy, it just could lack a _little_ functionality... === pitti grins [12:20] *ahem* [12:20] elmo: btw, syslogd? [12:21] elmo: I fixed that yesterday === nmf [~nmf@213.30.75.8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] pitti: both syslogd and klogd? [12:21] elmo: no, it's impossible for klogd [12:22] elmo: klogd needs CAP_SYS_ADMIN, which is equivalent to root [12:22] elmo: the odd thing is, you cannot open /proc/kmsg as root and read from the descriptor as user [12:22] elmo: this works for normal files, but not for /proc/kmsg [12:22] elmo: with the current kernel there's nothing I can do [12:23] oh well.. nice for syslogd anyways [12:23] s/for/to get/ [12:24] elmo: cool === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] -rw-rw-r-- 1 cjwatson cdimage 636405760 Nov 24 08:49 20041124/hoary-install-powerpc.iso [12:33] -rw-rw-r-- 1 cjwatson cdimage 625797120 Nov 25 08:49 20041125/hoary-install-powerpc.iso [12:33] \o/ [12:34] Kamion: congrats :) [12:34] Kamion: how did you shave that much off? [12:35] mozilla-browser [12:35] ahr [12:36] elmo: btw, would it be possible to get access to an ia64 port box once lamont makes chroots work and stuff? [12:36] sure [12:36] I just need working debootstrap [12:36] yeah, waiting on gcc-3.4 [12:37] elmo: awesome, thanks [12:37] oh, ok, thought Lamont had bodged that [12:37] think it's the last thing left to do [12:37] and why on earth do.. oh libgcc === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:37] at least, it was last time I heard [12:37] elmo: yeah [12:37] I'm kind of refusing to do debootstrap until I can do it automatically from germinate output :-/ [12:38] lamont has a hacked script though I believe, if you want to ask him for it [12:39] no, that's fair enough [12:39] anyone object to me adding pciutils-udeb to the installer seed? [12:45] Kamion: seems eminently sensible [12:46] daniels: btw, don't forget to add that fd candy to the appopriate seed [12:46] seb128: you too for gnome-python-extras [12:46] doko: and you too for zope [12:46] ok [12:47] elmo: good catch === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] jdub: btw. I've mailed the hotplug-ng and udevsend/udevd guys to see what they think the future should be [12:49] elmo, daniels: do we actually want the fd candy in any of the seeds? [12:49] Keybuk: rad [12:49] jdub: i put fdclock/xcompmgr/transset in supported [12:50] jdub: fdclock might be sorta kinda neat, but the compmgr is really just too slow [12:50] daniels: i don't think there's any reason to support them [12:50] jdub: I also sent them grepmap as a "here's the C modules.*map parser for you" :) [12:50] jdub: oh? [12:51] jdub: i think enough people will want to use them to support them [12:51] jdub: but not enough, and it's not general-purpose enough, to ship them per default [12:51] jdub: but, your call [12:51] yes, sorry, please remember when I say "add to the appropriate seed" there's a hidden subtext of "and get sign off for it, if you need to" :-P [12:52] yeah, these things should be added to the seed proposals page [12:52] daniels: they're not useful to support though, surely they're fine for universe [12:53] jdub: done [12:53] daniels: please put them on the proposals page though, we may come back to it [12:54] jdub: k [12:56] anyone mind if i patch out the openoffice.org kde stuff, so we can get a build? === jdub hasn't got pong from doko [12:58] oh frig, this means I need to edit the wiki [12:59] god I would KILL for sysklogd to use fricking logrotate [01:01] far out [01:01] 171MB [01:02] daniels: i hear you are off to see mallum on monday [01:02] rburton: i hear you are too! [01:02] daniels: indeed. want to meet at victoria? [01:03] rburton: rockin' [01:03] rburton: easy to get to from south ken? [01:03] yeah, along on the circle for a bit [01:03] or the district. yellow or green. [01:03] swoit [01:03] ahr, right [01:03] yeah [01:04] which means it's easy from earl's court also -- phat [01:04] daniels: what time were you planning on going? [01:04] rburton: *shrug*, whenever [01:05] jdub: sure. I was thinking we're gonna have problems sometime with OOo needing GTK and KDE libs to build [01:06] haggai: availability isn't a huge problem, it's just that that would drag kde into main [01:06] jdub: I want to split some of the -dev sort of headers out and make an installable .deb from them but like everything with OOo it takes ages & ages to do [01:06] daniels: but that would suit KDE users ;) [01:06] we could imaginably end up stripping out the KDE build-dep for Ubuntu; it wouldn't be the first package we've done that for ... [01:07] yeah, that's the main issue [01:07] elmo: (wishlist) any eta for sparc.u.c = [01:07] life will be easier once we have community maintenance for KDE [01:07] atm we can't build it because kdelibs4-dev isn't in universe [01:07] s/=/? [01:07] Kamion: but that doesn't necessarily mean kde in main :) [01:07] is there any way we can tell if we're building for Ubuntu? We have a lot of optional stuff in the pkgs controlled by DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS and it would be handy if we could do the same with the KDE bits too [01:07] <_rene_> yeah, good idea [01:07] haggai: nope, we just upload a *ubuntuN version [01:08] Kamion: is it worth setting a default DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="ubuntu"? [01:08] although having our changes integrated that way could make life easier [01:08] daniels: users rebuilding our source packages won't set that [01:08] daniels: yeah, might be a good idea [01:08] Kamion: like, within dpkg-buildpackage, or /etc/environment, or something [01:08] fabbione: I'm trying to ping sabdfl about sparc boxes - I'd really like to know if we're going to do that first [01:08] that's always the problem with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS and similar; they can only be used for optional features, not what the buildd needs [01:09] daniels: EWWW [01:09] Kamion: (sorry) [01:09] daniels: (what if somebody wants to build the Debian source package on Ubuntu?) [01:09] Kamion: (good question) [01:09] (stop whispering) [01:09] source packages pretty much have to be self-contained, unfortunately [01:09] Kamion: (of course, dpkg-buildpackage could only set D_B_O if the source version contained 'ubuntu' ...) [01:09] so what about adding some sort of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS+=ubuntu in debian/rules? [01:10] (as an ubuntu-only patch) [01:10] haggai: if our diff were just that one line, that'd rock [01:10] Kamion: that's my idea [01:10] daniels: meet at victoria train station, around platforms 1-8, about 11:30-40? there is a train at 11:53 [01:10] Kamion: to every package? [01:10] rburton: sounds awesome [01:10] not sure DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is *quite* the right place, but anyway [01:10] haggai: what would the kde package have in it, if we did that? [01:10] <_rene_> jdub: we could just disable it [01:10] I think I'd prefer DEB_DISTRIBUTION or something [01:10] the advantage of DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS+= means you can build the ubuntu variant on Debian.. :) [01:11] <_rene_> jdub: -Nopenoffice.org-kde etc [01:11] daniels: sweet. mail me your mobile so i can find you when you are lost ;) [01:11]