ajmitch_apt-get install build-essential12:00
Nivlemajmitch: You talking to me?12:00
__danielwill_: there you go: apt-get install build-essential12:00
will_i installed gcc12:00
will_ages ago12:00
topyliajmitch_: i'm impressed, yes. debian provides a good base though12:00
topyliNivlem: mandrake has always been like that, and i love it for it :)12:01
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Nivlemtopyli: Yeah not too much of a problem...but then I Linux on a dual processor G4 macintosh....maybe I will post some video shots of it compiling sometime..heh12:02
topyliNivlem: please do =)12:03
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raphaHi all!12:03
raphaDoes somebody know what system call is used for rebooting the system?12:03
timellohi there, Why my keymap not works on my rxvt? In firefox for instance it work fine12:04
__danielrapha: system call? you mean   "/sbin/reboot"    ?12:04
rapha__daniel: No, as in reboot()12:04
raphaKernel system call12:04
raphanm, thx12:05
kentrapha, what do you need that for?12:05
will_humm anyone know anything about libgnomeui-2.0?12:06
will_cant find it12:06
raphakent: I wanna write my own /sbin/init just for fun. It already works, and I'm also catching Ctrl-Alt-Del, but I don't know how to handle it.12:06
kentwill_, libgnomeuimm2.0-dev   its probably that one you lack (if your trying to compile.. )12:07
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will_kent: thats it12:08
kentwill_, sorry, its this one : libgnomeui-dev12:08
kentwill_, the other one is for c++ i think.  :)12:08
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will_kent: thats a lot of dependencies!12:08
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topylirapha: there's documentation that lists system calls. there's even man pages for the posix calls12:10
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raphatopyli: But for being able to read those manpages you need to know what the respective call is called12:10
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topyliuse apropos12:10
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milai dont really understand with this room i enter12:11
raphatopyli: That only lists manpages from section 8 when called with halt/reboot/shutdown. That's why I asked here if somebody knew something.12:12
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milai think i go another room12:12
topylirapha: dunno, there's a debian package called man-posix or similar. it might help. not that i know much :)12:13
milasince nobody any person in here12:13
raphaOkay, thx topyli12:13
milai think only 3person talking12:13
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mila: it ebbs and flows12:14
topylimila: i don't know which room you entered but seems like a weird place :)12:14
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will_mila: where are we?12:14
milaim in here in my country12:14
topyliwill_: now there's a real question for a change !12:14
will_mila: do you use linux?12:15
topylimila: cool!12:15
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milawhat is lenux12:15
topylimila: what brings you to #ubuntu?12:15
will_mila: download a copy of ubuntu: www.ubuntulinux.org12:15
milaoh i go there12:15
will_mila: dont format all at once though!12:16
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milawhat is linux can you explain me12:17
topyliit's a free unix system12:17
milacan i ask you12:18
milabefore i go12:18
topylifree as in "freedom", and free as in "free of cost"12:18
milahow many person in here12:18
will_this room is for support ie if you cant do something / need help with Ubuntu12:18
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) will_: or you just like it12:18
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and you want to help people use it12:18
topylimila: on this channel there are currently 256 people12:18
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) :)12:18
milabut it seem just only few person i think12:19
jdubmila: some are not awake or at their computers12:19
will_yes, everything seems like that at the start12:19
topylimila: people do other things as well. they're not chatting with us full-time :)12:19
milai see12:19
will_mila: if you want to chat to people, join the room #ubuntu-offtopic12:20
Cloudchaseri have another question please ;)12:20
milaokley i like to find some person i talk12:20
milai like talking12:20
Cloudchaserwhen install apps that ask where to install it...whats the best place?12:21
Cloudchaser /opt?12:21
milago ahead12:21
badcitizenCloudchaser: /usr/local12:21
Cloudchaserok thanks..i'm installing realplayer1012:21
Cloudchaseras sudo12:21
will_Cloudchaser: you need to use sudo though12:21
topyliCloudchaser: rule of thumb. if you compile from source, /usr/local. if you install a binary (like quake or mozilla), then /opt12:21
Cloudchasergot errors when i tried without it12:21
Cloudchaserok i didn't compile it12:22
Cloudchaserrealplayer's got an installer12:22
Cloudchasermaybe that compiles it..i don't really know for sure12:22
topyliCloudchaser: i put realplayer in /opt because i didn't build it myself12:22
topyliit's a binary package12:23
Cloudchaserok thanks ;)12:23
Cloudchaseri'll follow that advice12:23
milaokey i had to go now and eat12:23
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milabyeeeeeeee rooms12:23
Cloudchaseroh now it wants to  know the prefix for syms12:23
topylibye mila, get linux soon!12:24
milai eat12:24
Cloudchaseri used the default /usr12:24
milayes laTER12:24
Cloudchasertake care mila12:24
milaim so hungry12:24
topyliCloudchaser: it's ok, they're just links12:24
Cloudchaseri really like ubuntu so far ;)12:24
milatake of us also12:24
Xenguymila: go stuff something in your mouth ;-)12:25
milayes i back here aGAIN12:25
mila10MINUTES After i eaten12:25
milacu  all12:25
will_mila: one word CHOCOLATE!12:26
will_okay i cant complie gnomebaker :(12:26
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D0wnXcaSTHi, I'm new to linux and i want to learn it. Some people refered me to Ubuntu linux distro. I read lot on your website, and it seems good.12:33
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D0wnXcaSTBut I would like to know if you could ship cd to canada ?12:33
__danielD0wnXcaST: they even shipped to germany :-)12:33
D0wnXcaSTand how much does it cost  &12:33
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__danielD0wnXcaST: nothing12:33
D0wnXcaSTok :)  i don't know where they are from :)12:33
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jdubD0wnXcaST: shipit.ubuntulinux.org12:34
D0wnXcaSTok, thanks, i'll check it out12:34
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TheStuffhi all12:34
D0wnXcaSThow many times it could take to receive the cd ?12:34
defence22hello im hoping that someone here can help me. my instalation will not work. after loading the modules neccesary to mount the cd, the installion halts for about 10 seconds and then says, "your cdrom couldn't be mounted..."12:36
socommD0wnXcaST: A month maybe?12:36
kensaiI have installed debains grub to the MBR and replaced the ubuntus grub with it, Now how do I install the ubuntus grub again to MBR?12:36
socommdefence22: you probably havent' loaded the modules for your cd-rom.12:36
will_defence22: is the cd damaged?12:36
defence22shouldnt be12:36
will_defence22:how fast did u burn the cd?12:37
defence22the thing that is suspisoucs is that it has done this with other distro's then some kernel option worked12:37
will_on a rw disc or?12:37
D0wnXcaSTsocomm: ok, thanks . hmmm, i'll try to ask someone near me if he could download it and burn it for me.12:38
D0wnXcaSTubuntu seems to be really nice. it will be my first linux experience :)12:38
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will_defence22: that is very strange what drive is it?12:51
socommD0wnXcaST: cool, hope you enjoy it.12:51
will_is it DMA compatible?12:51
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defence22i tryed nodma12:51
kensaiIs there a way for me to reinstall grum on my MBR?12:51
D0wnXcaSTyep :)12:51
defence22and that didnt work12:51
AphelionI have a GF4 card, and I want higher refresh rate at 1280x1024... do I need the latest driver to do that?12:51
D0wnXcaSTi cant wait to try linux :)12:51
defence22i think thats what worked on mandrake12:51
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Cloudchaserdoes anyone here use thunderbird?12:51
ramzezhi, is it normal that i don't have grub.conf ?12:51
kensaiD0wnXcaST, I remember being as exited as you about Linux, it is the best experience ever. Linux Rulez12:51
AphelionCloudchaser: I use it on my Mac12:51
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Cloudchaseris there a way to separate the emails into separate accounts instead of one big huge inbox of all emails?12:51
will_defence22: do you get any error codes apart from 'cant be mounted'?12:51
D0wnXcaSTkensai:  ;)12:51
D0wnXcaSTI'm reading tutos and stuff on linux for a week now12:51
D0wnXcaSTand now i have to choose the best distro to start :) and i think i'll go with ubuntu, seem really great12:51
will_defence22: have you tried the ubuntu live cd?12:51
defence22ill try it12:51
will_defence22: give it a go12:51
kensaiD0wnXcaST, I love when I remember when I messed my Linux installation in a way that it wasn't usable ;)12:51
will_defence22: and run a check on the cd you are using, im not sure whether its your drive or the disc12:51
defence22thanx for ur help12:51
defence22t could be the disk12:51
D0wnXcaSTits the best way to learn :) do it yourself, messed up a few time, start over and over :)12:51
will_D0wnXcaST: not sure whether i made a mistake by upgrading to hoary!12:51
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Aphelion: are you using 1.0-6111?12:51
defence22ill be back later12:51
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D0wnXcaSTthanks for your help guys, we certainly have the chances to talk together again, i'm just starting with linux :) i'll certainly have few questions for you guys ;)12:51
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D0wnXcaSTnow i'll go and read some tutos about ubuntu :)12:51
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ramzezhow can i update to 2.6.9. kernel?12:51
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will_D0wnXcaST: have you seen www.tuxfiles.org?12:51
D0wnXcaSTno, yes, i forgot to ask, if you have any good website for newbie, tell me , i 'll appreciate :)12:52
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D0wnXcaSTnice, thanks will, seems a good web site : "< tuXfiles, the Linux newbie help files >12:53
D0wnXcaSTYou know what? We help Linux newbies12:53
kensaiD0wnXcaST, yo should also visit www.tuxmagazine.com is going to be a very good magazine for newbies12:53
trukuloD0wnXcaST, www.ubuntuforums.org12:53
Aphelioncrimsun: 1.0-what? :P12:53
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Aphelion: the driver version, of course.12:53
Aphelioncrimsun: how would I know?12:53
Aphelionthis is a fresh Ubuntu install12:58
RubenVcan you define multiple locations for the same apt source?12:58
jonziI am linux n00b and was wondering if some one would be able to help me pls?12:58
RubenVso i can set multiple mirror sites12:58
D0wnXcaSTthanks, trukulo, ill check the forum also !12:58
RubenVin case one goes down12:58
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Aphelion: are you using 'nv' or 'nvidia' for X Windows?12:58
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will_jonzi: ask away12:58
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DowNC[aw] hey one more thing guys, do you thing that 10 gb hard drive is enough to begin ??12:58
jonziI have just installed ubuntu on my laptop but cant seem to get my wireless card to work12:58
(crimsun/#ubuntu) DowNC[aw] : certainly.12:58
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jonziI dont really know where to start12:58
D0wnXcaSTok, great. thanks12:58
jonzithe regular network card works but not the wireless12:58
will_jonzi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=wireless12:59
will_jonzi: have a look at the compatibility database01:00
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jonziI just did and its on there01:00
jonziDo i need to obtain a driver for this from some where? Belkin dont do linux drivers. Well not for this one at least01:01
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will_jonzi: type lspci and list it in #flood01:02
will_jonzi: sorry open a terminal, then type lspci then copy and paste all output to #flood01:03
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jonziah k sec01:03
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Scognitohi all01:04
Scognitois possible to "rotate" X ?01:04
Scognitomy monitor can rotate up to 27001:04
jonziwill it matter that it is a PCMCIA card? will that command still find the info?01:04
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will_jonzi: good point, im not sure01:05
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jonziit isnt actually showing from what I can see01:05
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amathisis firefox 1.0 in apt-get?01:06
will_jonzi: try computer -> system configuration -> device manager01:06
bigtonyquestion: can someone help me get sound working with flashmedia please? everything else i have tired sound works fine but flash i get no sound at all01:06
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socommbigtony: does sound work at all?01:06
bigtonysound works on other forms of media yes01:07
jonziwill_: it shows it there. but I dont have any way of saving the inf0z01:07
socommTry killing esd, `killall -9 esd'.01:07
bigtonyalright you sure with a -9 force kill?01:08
will_jonzi: seems its all ready to roll, but u need to configure it01:08
amathisis firefox 1.0 in apt-get?01:08
bigtonyprocess not running01:08
jonzihmm have tried that but it wont let me enable it01:08
bigtonyerror: no process to kill01:08
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Scognitomore exactly01:09
Scognitodoes xrandr works on hoary?01:09
Scognitousing gforce 44001:09
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes01:10
mommeI've a nvidia geforce fx 5700 on my laptop and I did just installed ubuntu without a successful x start :/01:10
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will_jonzi: have you tried computer -> system configuration -> network settings ?01:10
will_set your wireless as active01:10
jonziyeah, the card shows, so i disable my regular ethernet then try to activate the wireless it thinks about it then does nothing01:11
jonzithe box ticks then 3 or 4 seconds later it is unchecked again01:12
mommenobody who've any idea what driver I shall use to get x running?01:12
will_jonzi: sorry dont have wireless so dont know about connecting it01:12
jonziokies thanks for the help tho!01:12
will_jonzi: try that page on the wiki01:12
jonziI will do, thanks again01:12
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will_anyone here got wireless working?01:13
burntashanyone know how to get the flash plugin for ppc?01:13
burntashi tried sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree but no luck01:13
gen|awayi've seen something about it not working correctly in bugzilla/forums burntash01:14
gen|awayjust will have to way burntash01:14
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will_im off ppl bye!01:14
eruinanyone know how I can change the mimetype of an existing file?01:15
trukuloas i remember, there's no flash player for ppc linux01:15
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mommestrange, I've "nv" as driver with a geforce fx 5700 but x doesnt start :/01:16
trukulotry vesa01:17
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giannicolahi is here any italian person?01:19
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mommetrukulo: we'll, the problem was the v4l module in XF config.01:21
mommeI've commented it out, but now it complains about libGL no symbols found01:21
RuffianSoldierI just installed a CD-ROM Drive and a Hard Drive. The CD is Secondary Slave and the HD is master Slave.  But when I click mount, it tries to mount the HD (I had a CD-ROM Drive as Master Slave to install Ubuntu)... How do I get Ubuntu to detect the CD ROM drive?01:22
D0wnXcaSTi'm still here, and i would like to be sure that i'm not mistaken. its this the right version of Ubuntu i have to download: warty-release-install-i386.iso  ??01:23
jdubD0wnXcaST: yeah01:23
D0wnXcaSTthanks a lot01:23
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mommewhat keycode in XF86Config-4.log indicates a error that make the startx fail?01:28
RuffianSoldierhow about me?01:28
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(sladen/#ubuntu) momme: don't understand. Could you explain in a different way?01:29
(sladen/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: edit /etc/fstab and fix the locations01:30
RuffianSoldierI just installed a CD-ROM Drive and a Hard Drive. The CD is Secondary Slave and the HD is master Slave.  But when I click mount, it tries to mount the HD (I had a CD-ROM Drive as Master Slave to install Ubuntu)... How do I get Ubuntu to detect the CD ROM drive?01:30
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(sladen/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: I think you said that before ;-)01:32
bigtony|eathe's a soldier remember he is trigger happy :)01:33
seek187Whats the diffence between like metacity themes and GTK 2.x themes which ones do I use?01:34
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Falstiushey, I installed the nvidia drivers and then the k7 kernel, but not the kernel modules.  Now I'm trying to fix this but it wants to get the packages from the CD and not online01:35
Falstiusand it wants the preview CD when I have the release01:35
Falstiushow do I tell it to look somewhere else?  (I know I could manually download them, that is not the point)01:36
kentFalstius, in synaptic,  check the repsitories. its in the menu.  unchec the cd and make sure to choose the ubuntu archive instead.01:37
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Falstiuskent, ahh.  That was easy.  sorry, new to apt.01:39
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zugwrack__How do I start smb now that I installed it? From the command line that is01:40
zugwrack__service smb start?01:40
kentFalstius, its hard for everybody once.  You can add other repositoreis (not sure if its spelled like that) in their aswell, if you need to.01:40
Falstiusyeah, I've added them universe but didn't think to check there for the CD.01:41
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kentzugwrack__,   perhaps "/etc/init.d/smb start" ?  if its called smb. that is.01:41
Falstiusmy debugging skills aren't well tuned for debian.  Happy thanksgiving folks.01:41
zugwrack__service smb start?01:42
zugwrack__Ok synaptic search for smb and after install....I can't get the service up and running...WTF?01:42
Deftzugwrack__, the samba service will start by itself if it's installed01:43
Deftthe package is samba I think01:44
zugwrack__Deft: Ok let me check for samba01:44
lupus_are there some good papers about linux detection of hardware01:45
zugwrack__Deft: synaptic shows it installed...yet going into network configuration and trying to enable windows networking support fails01:45
lupus_and configuring plus loading of modules01:45
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seek187My gnome log out button doesn't work??? anyone have any ideas?01:46
Deftlupus_, any documentation about hotplug should be helpful there01:46
sebbHi, I have a Audigy LS soundcard and it doesn't work with the version of alsa that comes with Ubuntu. So, I downloaded alsa-driver-1.0.7 from the alsa web site. I also installed GCC 3.3.4 and the Linux kernel 2.6.8 source with synaptic. After that I tried to install alsa-driver, but it doesn't work. At first, I do ./configure, that seems to work. After that a do make, but it ends up with a bunch of errors ending with error 1. Can anyone h01:46
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Deftzugwrack__, do you see the smbd daemon running?01:47
(bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: ah, thanks01:48
lamontbob2: now I have to remember what for...01:48
(bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: hehehe01:48
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lamontwas that it?01:48
(bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: you can just take your contextless thanks and be happy ;-)01:48
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lamontbtw, is anyone using the native ipsec stuff (without free/open swan)?01:49
bigtonyanyone here happen to use paltalk?01:49
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EricNeonmorning all01:50
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ultrakornehi, can i ask a question about my touchpad working "sometimes"01:53
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Seqdoes anybody have any experience running ubuntu as a headless server?01:59
Seqi'm mainly interested in the "nicely up to date debian" aspect of it in this case02:00
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(mjr/#ubuntu) sadly, no, as there's no sparc version ;)02:00
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(mjr/#ubuntu) I'm planning to put up one myself, though02:00
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XenguySeq: if you don't need a GUI, then maybe try the 'expert' install and install just the minimal system02:01
SeqXenguy: yeah, i was going to as soon as i put the hard disk in this system anyway. i'd really only waste an hour if it didnt work out02:02
Seqi was just curious if anybody else had issues at all02:02
XenguySeq: or use debian stable ;-)02:02
XenguySeq: I'm more interested in Ubuntu as a desktop02:02
SeqXenguy: thats what im using it as right now, on my laptop02:02
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SeqXenguy: im using debian on my "old" server, but would like the system to be a bit more up to date.02:03
XenguySeq: that's going to happen RSN anyway when Sarge moves to stable02:03
SeqXenguy: yeah, but then it will be out of date for another two years :)02:04
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XenguySeq: for a server, sometimes 'out-of-date' is a feature, not a bug ;-)  Anyhoo02:04
SeqXenguy: its a home server, file storage and fetchmail.02:05
Seqi want to have a go at trying to do some asp.net/mono stuff, and really don't want to be bothered with updating mono myself02:05
jdubSeq: i run ubuntu servers02:06
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jdubXenguy: please don't recommend 'expert', it's better if people use 'custom'02:07
Seqjdub: cool. do you use sendmail?02:07
jdubSeq: no, postfix. sendmail gives me a rash.02:07
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Seqah, same here at the moment. postfix is the default anyway02:08
lamontjdub: if I want to install on just one partition instead of the whole disk, can I do that with custom, or must I go to expert>02:08
lamontSeq: postfix rocks02:08
Seqfor some reason i thought it was sendmail and i was going to ask about ubuntu-base depending on it, but im just crazy i guess02:08
Sequbuntu-base probably doesn't contain any files anyway02:08
jdublamont: you can do that in custom, just choose 'partition manually'02:11
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deltabmy brother's just installed Ubuntu, but X displays a red screen. We think it's because of the resolution or frequency settings; how do we change those?02:13
deltabI found http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor but that doesn't explain how you find the driver name02:14
Deftdeltab, which driver name? the one that X is currently set to use?02:15
deltabhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor says "Identify the driver you are using for you [sic]  video card"02:16
deltabfrom lspci I know it's an ATI, but I don't know what the corresponding driver name would be02:16
deltabnor do I know if xresprobe is even the right program to use02:17
Seqdeltab: what kind of ati02:18
deltabthere was a menu of resolutions at the end of the installation procedure02:18
deltabATI 3d rage pro agp02:18
deltabtv tuner version; he's using the tv output02:19
Deftyou might want to try using the vesa driver instead, I have something like that and the tv out doesn't like the ati driver02:20
deltabboth of us are completely new to ubuntu and debian-type systems02:20
lamontjdub: and then can I tell custom to install desktop? :-)02:20
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deltabDeft: how?02:20
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adoyretsamonso are any of you going to listen to the new Linux Radio show - live at 9pm est - http://www.thelinuxlink.net/tllts02:21
deltabI imagine there's some debian command to configure this; I just don't know what it is02:21
jdublamont: no, custom just installs base02:21
jdublamont: it's exactly the same as the normal install, but it only installs base02:21
Deftdeltab, do you know the x config files at all?02:21
deltabthe end of the installation told us to run base-config, but that just seems to be about packages02:21
deltabyes, but I didn't want to interfere with any debian-specific config02:22
adoyretsamondeltab, #sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8602:22
deltabthanks, trying that02:23
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adoyretsamonthe ubuntu forum have all this stuff too02:23
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LifesizeKenDollHello everyone02:25
adoyretsamonhey man02:26
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LifesizeKenDollhow's everyone doing?02:29
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Matthias-Hey guys - anyone get mythtv set up and running?  I'm having a horrible time getting the setup program to run.02:33
deltabadoyretsamon: ah, thanks, that got us lots of X config stuff -- we didn't solve the red screen problem, but we know how to get to the configuration now: thanks02:33
adoyretsamonyup... welcome02:34
bigtonycan someone please explain to me what i'm doing wrong? I'm trying to mount my network share for read write and execute i tried this and it doesnt work #: sudo mount -t smbfs -o rwx,umount=022 // /home/bigtony/laptopdrive    i can read but i have no write access.. I tried to chown it but it says operation permission denied any idea how to fix this cause when i use smb://  i can read/write/execute an02:34
bigtonyything on that share i want02:34
Defthas anyone tried (and I doubt this) using mysql and java/jdbc on ubuntu?02:35
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adoyretsamonbigtony, what permissions do you have to the local folder in your system02:36
bigtonyi gave it 755 i thought02:37
bigtonylet me check02:37
epodhm, this livecd is pretty sweet02:37
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huttananyone had problems with gxine seg faulting when you put it in fullscreen mode?02:38
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Matthias-Mythtv?  Anyone?02:38
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bigtonyowner has rwx group xr other x02:39
bigtonylet me 777 it in root that might work02:39
geppyHow do you install IPX on Ubuntu?02:39
(sladen/#ubuntu) geppy: I know several meanings for IPX, which one were you thinking of?02:40
geppyI'm wanting to use IPX to play Starcraft/Warcraft/other games.02:41
huttangeppy, dont need ipx for that..02:41
huttanatleast not starcraft/warcraft02:42
geppyOver a local network, though, you do.02:42
geppysorry, Warcraft II, not III.  :)02:42
huttangeppy, hmm..maybe warcraft II02:42
geppyWarcraft II requires IPX, or null modem.02:42
geppyOr Battle.net, but you can't do that locally.02:42
cleeunless you set up bnetd!02:43
cleewhich blizzard has pretty much sued into nonexistence.02:43
huttannot that hard to get02:43
geppyYeah, considering that it's in the repository.02:43
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huttangeppy, ah..nice, didnt know that02:45
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clee... that was fairly random02:57
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Seqwell at least we know where we are now02:57
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zon7I've got a quick ask03:08
zon7how do I install a package from the pool?03:09
ironwolfzon7: apt-get install package-name03:10
adoyretsamonor sudo synaptic03:10
adoyretsamonthen choose your pkgs03:11
ironwolfthat works too... :)03:11
zon7but I cannot add it to the apt sources cause it has no Packages.tgz archive03:11
adoyretsamonwhich file03:11
ironwolfwhat package?03:11
zon7anyone here03:11
zon7amsn for example03:11
ironwolfzon7: what package are you trying to install?03:12
adoyretsamonzon7, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list03:12
zon7last version is 0.9403:12
adoyretsamonto add the universe03:12
zon7try to add this source to the list and synaptic wouldn't accept it03:12
adoyretsamondo it manually in the file03:12
zon7I've done it but what do I put after the url?03:13
zon7it's not main, nor universal...03:13
zon7let's have a look03:13
adoyretsamonthen make sure you do apt-get update03:13
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zon7yes, but then again amsn 0.94 doesnt apear03:15
zon7but it is on the pool directory03:15
adoyretsamonis it in hoary?03:15
adoyretsamonyou did the apt-get update?03:15
zon7it's only here %http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/amsn/03:16
zon7yes, I have done it03:16
zon7try to do it yourself if you don't trust me03:16
adoyretsamoni trust you03:16
adoyretsamonstrange things to happen with pkg mgrs03:16
adoyretsamoni have to move from the couch to my main system to test that... not right now thou03:17
ironwolfzon7: it's in hoary... do you have only warty or hoary as well in your sources.list?03:18
zon7on hoary its only amsn 0.92 i think03:18
adoyretsamononly hoary now03:18
ironwolfand apt-get update gives no errors?03:19
s0cksHow is hoary coming?03:19
ironwolfs0cks: hoary is very, very good.. *bows to daniels* xorg support is drastically improved.03:20
ironwolfzon7: apt-get update gives no errors correct?03:20
s0cksironwolf : Not alot of problems?03:21
ironwolfs0cks: there are always fun-ness that goes with running bleeding edge *like the sed fiasco last week* but by and large it's really stable.03:21
adoyretsamonyea sed was a pain03:22
ironwolfxorg and synaptic touchpad support makes it worth it though.03:22
adoyretsamon'nuf sed03:22
ironwolfzon7: did you try apt-get install amsn/hoary ?03:22
ironwolfzon7: try that, does it work, or error out?03:25
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zon7well, now I've managed to add it to the repository03:26
zon7and synaptic and apt get tell me the same for amsn03:27
TheStuffyahoo games do not open .. ?03:27
zon7"depends imlib1 pero no es instalable"03:27
zon7is not instalable03:27
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zon7well, maybe other day :P03:29
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zon7just another ask. To add a debian source?03:29
ironwolfzon7: adding debian source is possible, but not advisable.03:30
ironwolfzon7: amsn depends on which?03:30
zon7nothing.Now it's solved03:30
ironwolfzon7: hurray!03:31
zon7i just unchecked everything.Now putting main is done :P03:31
ironwolfzon7: your welcome03:31
TheStuffany one could help me plz03:32
zon7I'm using a centrino.It's any way to know which version of the ipw2200 is ubuntu using?03:33
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ironwolfAsk TheStuff.03:36
TheStuffironwolf,  caould u help me plz03:36
ironwolfTheStuff: ask your question.03:36
ironwolfTheStuff:  I'll do what I can.03:37
TheStuffi had install ubuntu with updates just few min ago , but my problem as newbie is websites with java like yahoo games and DigiChat do not open ,03:37
TheStuff2nd , non english web sites03:37
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jiyuu0TheStuff, have u install java plugin for ur browser03:38
jiyuu0TheStuff, what is ur non english site03:38
AgrajagTheStuff: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html03:38
AgrajagTheStuff: There is a .deb package for java 1.503:38
jiyuu0TheStuff, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/03:38
jiyuu0how to install java plugin for browser03:39
Agrajagyou'll have to apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian03:39
jiyuu0TheStuff, there is how to install extra fonts too03:39
TheStuffbut what about the langauge .. i need to install arabic layout ,, but keep english as default03:39
jiyuu0ya.. it will install arabic as extra... english will still be default03:40
TheStuffthanx alot jiyuu003:41
jiyuu0TheStuff, no prob03:41
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TheStuffironwolf,  thanx bro :*03:42
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kudramis there no flash plugin for ubuntu?03:44
jdubapt-get install swf-player03:45
jiyuu0kudram, nope by default, but u can install it easily http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/#flash-mozilla03:46
ajmitch_hmm, installed 2.4 kernel, can't burn cds.. probably lack of ide-scsi now03:46
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ironwolfmount -t smbfs -o username=*adminuser* '//machinename/c$' /mnt/windowsc  ... any reason this breaks with XP?03:51
jiyuu0what u mean breaks?03:52
ironwolfI see $PID: Connection to machinename failed \n SMB Connection failed03:53
s0cksWhat is the command to unmount the kernel?03:53
Agrajagunmount the kernel?03:53
ironwolfs0cks: unmount the kernel?03:53
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s0cks: wtf03:53
s0cksyeah. is that possible?03:53
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s0cks: it's not 'mounted'03:54
ironwolfs0cks: no man... just say no....03:54
(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s0cks: the kernel forms the basis for all i/o and memory management and drivers on your computer03:54
s0cksOk. I was trying to pretend like I knew for a friend :P03:54
Agrajagalso, it's not a filesystem03:54
s0cksI am stupid03:55
s0cksmy tree is broken.03:55
ironwolfs0cks: not stupid, just ignorant..... you condition is fixable ;)03:56
Agrajagget some glue03:56
s0cksstupid windows03:56
s0cksit says *no tree available* when I try to save something as03:56
ironwolfjiyuu0: any clues?03:57
jiyuu0ironwolf, trying03:57
jiyuu0seems can't connect03:57
jiyuu0i'm getting 5785: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)03:57
jiyuu0SMB connection failed03:57
ironwolfjiyuu0: weird thing is, it's working on the windows 2000 boxen on the network, but not the Win XP boxes..:(03:57
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jiyuu0sp2? firewall?03:58
ironwolfsp2 firewall turned off.03:58
auki need help with Blast the game/application03:58
ironwolfjiyuu0: sp2 is loaded, sp2 firewall is turned off03:59
jiyuu0ironwolf, sorry03:59
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ironwolfjiyuu0: thanks for verifying I'm not crazy.. anyone else have any ideas?04:00
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jiyuu0ironwolf, if u found answer do let me know ya04:01
ironwolfjiyuu0: will do...still testing04:02
zon7well.see you soon iron04:08
zon7gonna sleep here04:08
ironwolfzon7: sleep well zon704:09
eruinI wish gedit could remember where I place the menu04:09
kudrammy laptop is on fire04:11
ironwolfkudram: put it out?04:11
kudrami'll get some water04:11
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zon7I forgot to ask you a thing ironwolf04:12
ironwolfzon7: ask away.04:13
zon7The battery monitor doesnt work. Any guess?04:13
ironwolfhow old is your laptop?04:13
zon7centrino 715. New04:13
ironwolfzon7: I had same problem A) is acpi running, B) if not try acpi=force on boot line of grub04:14
zon7how do I know if it's running?04:14
zon7on system monitor nothing :P04:15
Xenguyjdub: OK, will recommend 'custom' install in the future if this offers the 'minimal' install (I had thought that 'expert' was the only way)04:15
jdubXenguy: custom does an install of the base seed only, without asking lots of questions. very handy. :)04:16
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Rotundhas anyone else noticed that the libglib2.0-dev wasn't updated though libglib2.0 was?04:23
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Ruffian|Q|can I reinstall GRUB to masterboot record?04:31
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stuNNedRuffianSoldier, yes, chroot into your install, and 'grub-install /dev/hdX' where X is the hd where your mbr is04:34
stuNNedor you can use something like http://www.sysresccd.org/index.en.php04:35
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Ruffian|Q|I have that04:36
mdornHaving troubles with upgrading the distro using either apt-get or synaptic on a brand new Ubuntu install.04:37
mdornCan install individual packages fine, but "apt-get dist-upgrade," after calculating the upgrade, hangs on "Waiting for headers".04:37
mdornNetwork connection works fine.04:37
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urbanbuksmaybe an error in /etc/apt/sources.list ?04:39
stuNNedRuffian|Q|, i think with that you can boot into your install then run the grub-install command04:39
Ruffian|Q|see, I have no Ubuntu GRUB on my MBR anymore (Its a sad story)04:40
ironwolfmdorn: sounds like borked /etc/sources.list04:40
mdornurbanbuks: the only lines I have uncommented are: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main" and "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty restricted"04:40
ironwolfmdorn: did you want to upgrade to hoary?  or just get security patches from warty?04:41
eruinwhich app can convert svg to other formats?04:42
mdornironwolf: No, just get updates for warty04:42
mdornIt automatically calculates the upgrade packages, calculates the necessary space, etc., then hangs on "waiting for headers."04:43
mdornAgain, if I just apt-get some particular packages, from the same repository, it has no problem.04:43
mdornweird, no?04:44
ironwolfmdorn: you probably want deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted    in your sources.list04:44
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breathehello, can anyone help me?04:45
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ironwolfbreathe: yes04:45
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breatheI was doing a first-time installation just now04:46
breatheand it seems to have frozen04:46
breatheany suggestions?04:46
ironwolfbreathe: is the hard drive running still?04:46
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BrittMan914hey is there any easy way to set up the DWL-65004:46
BrittMan914under Warty04:47
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breatheironwolf: I'm not sure04:47
ironwolfWhat's a DWL-650 ?04:47
breatheit's a laptop04:47
BrittMan914its the Dlink Wireless 802.11b card04:47
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breathealright I guess I'll just have to restart and try again04:48
ironwolfbreathe: first time install/initial install can take some time.  It's working in the background.04:48
ironwolfbreathe: yes.04:48
mdornironwolf: hmmm, that gives me another set of problems altogether: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)04:48
breatheI doubt it, it froze on a single screen for the last 40 minutes04:48
ironwolfbreathe: ah... that's not good.04:48
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bigtonycan someone help me with mounting a network drive thats on a windows system i have tried the following 1) mkdir /home/bigtony/laptopdrive 2) chmod 777 /home/bigtony/laptopdrive 3) mount -t smbfs -o UID=guest,rw // /home/bigtony/laptopdrive  now when i go to the directory ONLY ROOT has permission to delete a file if i type rm <file> normal user permission denied but if i type sudo rm <file> it deletes it from th04:49
bigtonye wndows share. any way to make this normal user?04:49
breathethe last message I see was.. Setting up libgsm1 (1.0.10-12)04:49
TheStuffironwolf, is there i keyboard shortcut for changing input langauge ?04:49
ironwolfBrittMan914: Computer-->System Configuration-->Networking ... add a wireless card.  It should find it automagically.04:49
TheStuffi mean hot key04:49
BrittMan914first thing i tried04:49
ironwolfTheSTuff: no clue, I run english. :)04:49
ironwolfmdorn: that's ugly.....04:50
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TheStuffi have installed another langauge but have no idea how to swich04:50
ironwolfmdorn: can that computer access the net?04:50
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mdornironwolf: absolutely04:51
blackthornewhen i insert an usb memory stick it would gets mounted when i access it on the Computer icon (using GNOME). Is it possible to automatically mount all available devices it finds?04:51
mdornI'm on the same computer right now04:51
mdornSurfing the web, doing IRC, email, whatever.04:51
Cloudchaserbigtony, here's a link that tells how to do what you want04:51
ironwolfmdorn: are you sudo'd ?04:51
BrittMan914um i have wireless built in on my laptop04:51
BrittMan914it sucks tho04:51
mdornironwolf: yes04:51
bigtonythanks cloud04:51
BrittMan914I just wanted it to work04:51
CloudchaserHow to mount network folder on boot-up, and allow non root users to read/write?04:51
Cloudchaserthats one of the sections04:51
BrittMan914I put the card in and it lights up just need to interface it04:51
mdornironwolf: as I said, I can use apt-get to install individual packages, but dist-upgrade, it chokes!04:52
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ironwolfBrittMan914: my wireless only worked after rebooting after inital install.04:52
breatheFOr anyone that has any experience with this...... Does Ubuntu have trouble during installation when trying to download updates?04:52
Cloudchaserreally good faq but a few things aren't right for applications04:52
bigtonylooking now will read and try then come back :)04:52
BrittMan914well I am on wireless right now04:52
bigtonywell i'm just wanting to drop file son my sh are thats all04:52
Cloudchaserbigtony, let me know how you make out04:52
bigtonyok thanks04:52
Cloudchaseri'm doing that soon myself04:52
bigtonywill try and let you know04:52
Cloudchaserbut i have to make a fat32 partition instead of ntfs04:53
bigtonyfair to pm you after trying04:53
Cloudchasersure ;)04:53
bigtonywell my understanding is smbfs translates ntfs04:53
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Cloudchaseryou can read yes but its not good to write from linux to ntfs04:53
bigtonycause thats why smb:// works04:53
Cloudchaserso you can get files from it04:53
bigtonyi do it all the time with smb04:53
Cloudchaserok just going by what i've read04:54
bigtonybut i want to mount it instead of having to type smb all the time04:54
Cloudchaserthat will tell you how to do it04:54
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bigtonyok going to read now04:54
bigtonywill be back in a bit04:54
Cloudchasergood luck04:54
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lakai accidently copied an old version over my libnet-irc-perl and apt-get install won't work is there a way i can uninstall it and re-install or just force a install?04:54
CloudchaserBrittMan914, my wireless just worked...during install it was detected so i was lucky04:55
BrittMan914yeah my internal one was04:55
BrittMan914but nobody has good stuff on how to get PCMCIA cards to work04:55
Cloudchasermine is a pcmcia one04:55
Cloudchaserits an old cisco 34004:56
BrittMan914see that might be it04:56
BrittMan914might have to get a old card then04:56
BrittMan914damn i shoudl get one of those04:56
Cloudchaserthe big question for me is..how to get a wireless G card to work04:56
breathegoogle for it ;)04:56
BrittMan914you have to download a wrapper04:56
Cloudchaseri've had other linux distros not work with my card though04:56
jdubCloudchaser: which model?04:56
Cloudchaserfc1 didn't work04:56
lakai accidently copied an old version over my libnet-irc-perl and apt-get install won't work is there a way i can uninstall it and re-install or just force a install?04:56
BrittMan914to allow windows drivers to be translated into linux04:57
jdublaka: apt-get --reinstall04:57
Cloudchasermy husband's card is dlink airplus G04:57
jdubCloudchaser: do you know what the chipset is?04:57
BrittMan914well did he do anything to get it to work04:57
BrittMan914the old chipsets did work04:57
breatheCloudchaser: from what I've read, DLink never released any official drivers for Linux distros04:57
Cloudchaseryah i read that a while back04:58
BrittMan914they never did04:58
Cloudchaserhaven't tried lately04:58
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BrittMan914still havent04:58
jdubdlink doesn't matter, it's the chipset that matters04:58
Cloudchaserso i'll keep my old cisco card04:58
BrittMan914ditto jdub04:58
breatheCloudchaser: so all that's available are some re-engineered versions that are 'supposed' to work well04:58
BrittMan914I would too04:58
jdubCloudchaser: if you can find out what chipset it is, we can probably help more04:58
lakajdub that doesn't work04:58
jdublaka: you have to provide the package name, etc. :)04:58
lakai know it didn't work04:59
lakaapt-get --reinstall libnet-irc-perl04:59
lakaE: Invalid operation libnet-irc-perl04:59
jdublaka: --reinstall install04:59
jdub--reinstall is just a parameter05:00
lakak thanks05:00
BrittMan914wouldnt it be apt-get install libnet-irc-perl --reinstall05:00
jdubyes, in total05:00
BrittMan914just tryin to help05:00
BrittMan914man this wireless thing sucks05:00
lakadoes anyone know about blootbot here?05:01
BrittMan914i wish it worked05:01
Cloudchaser i found this: I've got a D-Link DWL-G630 (it uses the Marvell Chipset05:01
BrittMan914and works without much hassle?05:01
Cloudchaserthat one i don't know, i never got it to work but i didn't fuss too much since i have a cisco card05:02
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Rotunddoes anyone know where to get libglib2.0-2.5.6-0ubuntu1?05:06
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RotundI'm assuming it's part of a warty-update or security05:06
romeohas anyone here used lamip05:06
BurgundaviaRotund: a straight update with synaptic or aptitude should get it05:06
Rotundnope.  It gets 2.4.7-0ubuntu205:07
Rotunddid I get 2.5.6 from some other weird place?05:07
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Burgundaviaromeo: that is the current hoary version05:08
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romeocurrent hoary version?05:10
Burgundaviaromeo: sorry wrong person05:10
Burgundaviahoary is the development version of ubuntu05:10
Rotundokay.  How do I downgrade glib w/o messing everything else up (they don't need the latest version, but forcing the version makes synaptic want to uninstall anything that uses glib05:10
BurgundaviaRotund: unless you are having instablity I wouldn't worry about it05:11
RotundI need the -dev and I can't get it w/ the current version of glib05:11
Rotundthe one I have installed05:11
BrittMan914hey its based on the Prism chipset--ver 305:12
BrittMan914does anybody know of drivers i could use then to make this work05:12
BurgundaviaRotund: Hoary is pretty stable05:13
BurgundaviaRotund: well, for a development version05:13
Rotunddoes evolution work on it?05:14
ironwolfhoary is... fun... and getting more stable each day. :)05:14
RotundI heard it wasn't before05:14
Burgundaviadifferent things will break for different people05:14
jdubhoary is not remotely stable05:15
jdubbut it is relatively robust :)05:15
RotundI just got off Gentoo because too much time maintaining system05:15
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jdubRotund: what is the -dev package you can't install?05:15
RotundI have a libglib2.0-0 that's 2.5.6 for some reason05:16
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RotundMight be from either the mono repository or the gstreamer update (wanted gst-ffmpeg)05:17
Rotundso now I want to go back to libglib2.0-0 2.4.7 to be able to use the libglib2.0-dev05:17
Rotundas the -dev and -0 must match05:17
Rotundis there a way to force 2.4.7?05:19
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RotundI'm willing to take the couple breakages but not uninstalling all of the things that dep on glib05:20
jdubRotund: you must be using hoary05:20
Rotundnope warty05:20
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[SPD] RalphNaderhello05:21
RotundI just added 2 repositories05:21
jdubglib 2.5.6 is only on hoary, not warty05:21
[SPD] RalphNaderhey, I'm about to d/l an install iso to try ubuntu05:21
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat's the newest release?05:21
jdubRotund: which repositories?05:21
Rotundno clue where I got it from then05:21
jdub[SPD] RalphNader: warty, 4.1005:21
Rotunddeb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ warty main05:21
[SPD] RalphNaderthank you jdub05:21
Rotunddeb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./05:22
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat kernel version does that include?05:22
[SPD] RalphNaderwow05:22
jdub[SPD] RalphNader:
[SPD] RalphNaderI was in the middle of d/ling hoary05:22
Rotundyeah. that one05:22
[SPD] RalphNaderand realized I didn't know what I was doing :)05:22
Rotundgnome 2.805:22
[SPD] RalphNaderlol 2.805:22
[SPD] RalphNaderdoes it come with GDM?05:22
[SPD] RalphNadersweet05:23
[SPD] RalphNaderI think I shall get it now05:23
[SPD] RalphNaderalready have the ftp fired up05:23
Rotundeverything is the GNOME stuff05:23
[SPD] RalphNaderwhat's this 5.04 I see for d/l?05:23
[SPD] RalphNaderis that an unstable release?05:24
[SPD] RalphNaderahhh05:24
jdubRotund: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-005:24
s0cksI want ubuntu wallpaper05:25
Rotundii  libgtk2.0-0    2.5.4-0ubuntu1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library05:26
Rotundthat's odd.  I don't have that installed05:26
jdubRotund: that's hoary's libgtk05:26
jdubit is installed, that's what the "ii" means05:26
jdubcat /etc/lsb-release05:27
Rotundman it is... CRAP05:27
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jdubsounds like you've installed a bunch of packages from hoary, then05:27
jdubbut not upgraded completely05:27
RotundHmmm.  I must've had hoary in my repository at some point.05:28
Rotundwell, I guess I go to hoary =)05:28
Rotundis it remotely close to stable?05:29
BrittMan914where is the Kernel path05:29
BrittMan914for Warty05:29
jdubRotund: not at all stable, but reasonably robust.05:29
Rotunddescribe not at all05:30
Rotundlike usable05:30
TheStuffhi .. how to install sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb and link it with mozilla05:30
jdubit's not stable because there are new packages every day05:30
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Cloudchaseri did that today TheStuff05:30
Cloudchaserhere's a link05:31
Cloudchaserits all in there05:31
Rotundokay.  how stable is it in terms of not crashing05:31
jdubit's robust in that it's reasonably usable day to day, definitely so for dogfooding and testing -> expect breakage, however05:31
TheStuffam on there bro .. but it says how to install JRE not JDK05:31
Cloudchaseroh sorry05:32
Cloudchaseryou have to do that another way..05:32
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(HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) TheStuff: same, but download the jdk package instead of jre05:32
Cloudchaserah ok05:32
bratscheHas anyone had any luck with getting spam filtering working correctly in Evolution?05:32
TheStuffi did05:32
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BrittMan914does anyone know where the kernel is05:32
TheStuffbut its not the same installation as JDK05:32
Rotundjdub: well, you may have just gained a developer ;)05:32
whermyheadI have a DFI LAN party motherboard, its a VIA chip set, but for some reason, I cant get the audio working05:32
CloudchaserTheStuff, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java05:34
Cloudchasermethod 205:34
Cloudchaseri think you still need symlinks too05:34
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stuNNedTheStuff, http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html05:35
Cloudchaseroh good stuff there stuNNed05:37
stuNNedCloudchaser, np, someone posted earlier here05:37
TheStuffstuNNed, yes u r right .. i had to dpkg 1st05:38
TheStuffnot working05:39
s0cksAnyone know where I could find kick ass ubuntu linux wallpaper?05:39
TheStuffwht is .deb any way .. and why it is not .bin05:39
geppyIt's not a binary program; it's an installer.05:40
geppy.deb == short for .debian05:40
TheStuffhow to install that .deb05:40
geppyNot that .debian is an extension;  I'm just getting across the point that .deb is nothing like .bin.05:40
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geppydpkg -i foo.deb05:41
TheStuffi did it geppy , gives an error05:41
geppyWhat kind of error?05:41
Rotundwhoa.  Tomboy uses 50MB of RAM!05:42
BrittMan914well night guys05:45
geppyIs there a way to trace what a program does?05:49
geppye.g. what it looks at/tries to modify?05:49
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TheStuffgeppy, i finished with dpkg .. wht now ?05:54
db__hey guys, i just installled having some display problems, can anyone tell me how i get back to changing which resolutions are allowable?05:54
geppyIt should be installed.05:54
geppydb__: xrandr05:54
db__ok thx05:54
geppydb__: Sorry, no.05:54
TheStuffi`ll check05:54
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geppydb__:  Misread your question.  /etc/X11/XF86Config-405:55
db__ok thx again05:55
geppydb__:  Open that with your favorite text editor, and look for the different resolutions.05:55
geppyYou're most welcome.05:55
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TheStuffgeppy, dont i have to link it with web browser ?05:56
geppyI don't know;  read the documentation wherever you downloaded that.05:57
geppyYou probably do.05:57
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TheStuffanother issu geppy, i add another langauge.. and the layout for this lang. but have no idea how to switch05:58
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geppyI'm sorry, I've no idea.05:58
geppyI'd google for it.05:58
TheStuffthanx any way .. :)05:59
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geppySorry.  Good luck.  =)05:59
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speelHey any way to install firefox 1.0 ?06:01
geppyWait for Hoary.  :)06:01
speelno way lol06:01
geppyNot if you want support.  =(06:02
geppyIf you don't mind not having support, though, go to mozilla.org, and get the .bin.06:02
(crimsun/#ubuntu) 0.9.3 works "well enough" ;)06:02
geppycrimsun: Yeah, "well enough."  Who maintains firefox, anyways?  They should be slapped, at the very least.  :)06:02
speel0.9.3 is a pain , plugins dont install i have to do it manualy ;/06:03
jdubgeppy: if we'd shipped a more recent version, at the time of release, it would not have been robust at all.06:05
geppyHow so?06:05
TheStuffgeppy, its linked by default after dpkg .deb file .. thanx alot bro06:05
(crimsun/#ubuntu) I myself had problems with the 1.0PR06:06
geppyTheStuff:  No problem.  =)06:06
jdubwe downgraded from PR1 back to 0.9.3 because PR1 was highly unstable06:06
jdubin some ways, 1.0 is better, but plenty of people compare it unfavourably to previous releases06:06
geppyjdub:  Why don't you update to 1.0?06:06
speelWhy dosen't the ubuntu team release a firefox 1.0 update? insecure or somthing?06:06
jdubgeppy: because warty is released and stable.06:06
geppyThat means no more updates?  =(06:06
speelim sure they can add it to the ftp's06:07
jdubthat's what stable means, yes06:07
(crimsun/#ubuntu) only security updates, essentially.06:07
jdubsecurity, dataloss and high-impact bugfixes only06:07
geppySo, when is Hoary coming out?06:07
jdubpreview in march, final in april06:07
Agrajag6 months after warty came out06:07
geppyThere are a lot of things that you miss in six months.06:07
Agrajagso switch06:08
(crimsun/#ubuntu) then you need to reevaluate why you're using Warty06:08
geppySwitch?  To what?  another distro?06:08
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jdubgeppy: six months is a faster release cycle than other distributions, for a *stable* and *supported* distribution release.06:08
Agrajags/warty/hoary/g in /etc/apt/sources.list06:08
(crimsun/#ubuntu) if you'd like to help iron out bugs for Hoary, help test Hoary.06:08
geppycrimsun:  The only things that I really want up to date, though, are GAIM and FireFox/Mozilla.06:08
Agrajagapt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade06:08
Agrajaggeppy: so build your own06:09
geppyjdub: That's why I'm using Ubuntu.  ;)06:09
AgrajagI built my own xchat because I wanted 2.406:09
jdubgeppy: well, that's why warty is the way it is.06:09
Agrajageasy to do06:09
geppyAgrajag: Planning to, actually...  How would you go about learning to do it?06:09
db__is GTK gnome?06:09
Agrajagwhat's to learn06:09
geppyAgrajag: I did a lot of that with RedHat, but I've quickly switched.06:09
(crimsun/#ubuntu) db__: other way around06:09
geppyAgrajag: How to build .deb packages.06:09
Agrajagyou unpack the tarball, ./configure && make && sudo make install06:09
db__crimsun, ???06:09
Agrajaggeppy: why do you need a .deb?06:10
jdubdb__: gnome is built on gtk+06:10
geppyAgrajag:  A) easy rollback B) so I can send them out to my friends.06:10
Burgundaviadb__: gtk was originally built for GIMP06:10
jdubgeppy: add deb-src lines for hoary, and build those against warty06:10
db__like im looking to download some themes, see stuff for KDE and GTK06:10
geppyjdub:  Mucho gracias!  =D06:10
Burgundaviadb__: gnome-look.org06:10
smogeppy: There was a walk-thru on the ML, worked for me - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/012158.html06:11
geppyjdub:  so, have "deb-src *url* warty hoary"?06:11
geppysmo: Thanks.  =)06:11
db__ok thx will check it out06:11
speelwhoa weird i just downloaded 1.0 from mozilla and i unpacked it installed it to the folder and ran it and it still said 0.9.306:13
(crimsun/#ubuntu) speel: you have to explicitly execute firefox from the new installation path06:14
db__anyone know why my hertz is locked at 60? (just installed)06:14
db__downloaded all the updates tho06:14
jdubgeppy: just hoary06:14
geppyjdub:  thanks.06:14
speelthats exactly what i did06:14
whermyheadI cant get my audio working? Anybody no why?06:15
speelo ok :) had to close the other browsers06:16
geppyspeel:  heh..  =)06:16
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speelwhat ver of gnome does ubuntu use and fedora?06:21
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Warty released with 2.806:21
(crimsun/#ubuntu) Hoary currently has a mix of 2.8 and 2.9.106:21
speelah ok06:22
geppyspeel:  and fedora?06:22
db__what is hoary??06:22
geppydb__:  Next Ubuntu release.06:22
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speelnvm what i said about fedora06:22
db__i only stumbled upon this distro last night06:22
db__when FC3 cds failed MD5 :s06:23
db__seems pretty cool06:23
geppydb__:  heh... Yeah, imho, infinitely better than Fedora.  You can't apt-get anything on Fedora without breaking something else.06:23
speeli was using fedora and was content with it but when it came to media codecs and things that should be installed i went nuts and put ubuntu on this06:23
geppyspeel:  heh.... Yeah.06:24
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punkassanyone using gnomebaker?06:25
speelwhats that06:25
zenwhengnome cd burning app06:26
zenwhenand I cant06:26
punkasscd burning software for gnome that does audio06:26
zenwhenbecause it wont compile for me06:26
punkassi got it to compile and all06:26
punkassbut it cant find a burning device06:26
zenwhenwants libgnomeui-2.0, I have it, and it still wants it06:26
punkassi assume its a problem with cdrecord or something06:26
Agrajagyou have the dev package too rite?06:26
punkassthats for you zen06:27
punkasswhenever it asks for a package when compiling it usually means somepackage-dev06:28
punkassi am sad cuz i was so close to having a audio burning app06:28
Agrajagit's ugly but it works06:28
punkassa "gnome" burning app06:28
punkasshmm havent tryed that one06:29
[SPD] RalphNaderdoes k3b not work? or does it need kde libs?06:29
geppysudo apt-get install k3b06:30
geppyIt determines dependencies;  why should it matter what it needs?06:31
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[SPD] RalphNaderwoa06:37
[SPD] RalphNadernetslpit06:37
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melazyboyoh man that sucks i upgraded from XFree to Xorg, when i already had fglrx-drivers installed and working, now Xorg shits out with the complaint no flgrx modules06:45
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melazyboyis it possible to get flgrx working with xorg?06:45
kaplandubuntu can use x.org?06:46
fabbionemelazyboy: chill down06:46
melazyboyim not that upset06:47
fabbionemelazyboy: there is a package that needs an update and daniel is working on it06:47
kaplandI just booted it for the first time 1 min ago :)06:47
melazyboyworst case senario is just apt-get x-server06:47
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melazyboyfabbione: So are we talking within the hour update, or should i roll back? =D06:47
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jdubkapland: the development branch has xorg, the stable release doesn't06:48
punkassanyone know how i can change what cdrecord see for dev=ATA06:49
punkassif i scanbus dev=/dev/hdd i sees my burner06:49
kaplandjdub, ah yeah I read that hoary or something06:49
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Cloudchaserhas anyone here used wine with ubuntu?06:49
kaplanddoes the development branch work like stable - sid on debian?06:49
punkassbut dev=ATA tries /dev/hda/ and gives a device or resource busy06:50
crimsunkapland: warty:hoary = woody:sid06:50
jdubalthough hoary will eventually be released :)06:50
crimsunvery true :)06:50
Rene_SYeah, I have with Codeweavers Crossover Office and Cedega and Point2Play06:50
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geppyDo *any* soundcards work full-duplex in Linux?06:51
kaplandcrimsun, then wouldn't it me more like warty:hoary woody:sarge ?06:51
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melazyboyis apache2 in woody yet?06:51
crimsunkapland: sure, but there's no staging filter for hoary. Stuff goes directly into hoary.06:51
jdubmelazyboy: woody never had apache2, and won't - it's a stable release06:51
crimsungeppy: plenty.06:52
geppycrimsun:  Is there a list?06:52
jdubkapland: hoary is a branch of sid06:52
kaplandgeppy, apparently if you use dmix and dsnoop together with alsa any card should work, I was never able to get it to work though06:52
melazyboyjdub: i think apache2 has proven its stability =/06:52
geppykapland: I'm using dmix, but it's _very_ jumpy...06:52
jdubmelazyboy: woody was released before apache2 was released06:52
crimsunkapland: it's called asym.06:52
kaplandgeppy, dmix works great for me, dsnoop does not06:52
geppykapland:  If I download a large file, then xmms just _stops_.06:52
kaplandcrimsun, asym?06:52
crimsungeppy: any of the multiopen chipsets do (cs46xx, emu10k*, ...)06:53
geppykapland:  I have not tired dsnoop, but dmix is giving me problems.06:53
kaplandgeppy, what output plugin are you using?06:53
crimsunkapland: asym == dmix+dsnoop06:53
kaplandcrimsun: ah06:53
geppycrimsun:  emu101k for soundblaster != full duplex06:53
geppykapland:  ALSA.06:53
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kaplandcrimsun: and you are able to get it to work?06:53
geppykapland:  Configured to use dmix.06:53
crimsungeppy: I'm afraid you're mistaken.06:53
crimsunkapland: yes.06:53
kaplandgeppy: apperently xmms has problems with the alsa output, I never use it though06:53
jdubem10k1 is full duplex06:53
kaplandcrimsun: what soundcard?06:54
geppycrimsun:  The soundblaster 16 pci is not.06:54
jduband multiwrite, etc.06:54
crimsungeppy: sb16 pci != emu10k106:54
geppycrimsun:  hmph.  :)  It runs with emu10k06:54
kaplandemu10k is the sblive part06:54
crimsunkapland: m-audio transit usb, uses the snd-usb-audio alsa driver06:54
kaplandcrimsun: and no hardware mixing?06:55
crimsunkapland: none.06:55
kaplandI have an intex-8x006:55
kaplandcan't get dsnoop to work06:55
kaplandor dmix with oss emu for that matter06:55
crimsunoss emulation won't work with dmix, because dmix requires alsa-lib access. oss emu bypasses alsa-lib entirely.06:56
kaplandgeppy: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=asym06:56
crimsunyou can attempt to wrap the application using aoss06:56
geppykapland:  danke06:56
kaplandcrimsun: ah06:56
kaplandcrimsun: yeah I think that was what I was trying, could never get firefox (flash) to work while alsa is being used06:57
melazyboyshit i think my array just crashed hell ill brb this is going to suck06:58
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melazyboyalright all is good07:04
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geppyHow do you set up sound recording on Ubuntu?07:07
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eruinI just use the volume control, select which source I want to capture from07:09
db__should i be looking in GTK 1.x, GTK 2.x, or GDM themes if i want a new desktop theme for fresh install of ubuntu?07:09
Agrajaggtk 207:09
eruinthen run gnome-sound-recorder and record away :P07:09
AgrajagGDM is the login screen07:09
db__ok thx07:09
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AgrajagGTK 1 is for legacy applications07:10
db__cool thx for the info :D07:11
calamari_does ubuntu have a GUI uninstall program where I can uninstall the things I don't want (even things that come by default)?07:11
punkassok when i run gnomebaker it does a scan of dev=ATA but i need it to do a scan of dev=/dev/hdc07:11
jdubcalamari_: synaptic07:12
geppyeruin:  I'm not getting any sound in the recorder.  When I blow on the mic, though, I get sound on my speakers.07:12
punkassi edited the /etc/defualt/cdrecord file07:12
eruingeppy: weird.. I do :P07:12
punkassso when i do a cdrecord -prcap it sees the drive07:12
punkassany thoughts?07:12
geppyeruin:  Hmph.  Thanks.  =)07:12
calamari_jdub: synaptic huh?  :) I'll have to check that out07:13
geppyeruin:  I don't see a mic option on my OSS mixer.  Perhaps this is the problem?  I have the mic un-muted on my ALSA mixer.07:15
geppyIt just appeared, it seems.  Either that, or I'm really tired, and missed it the first couple of times.07:15
calamari_is it possible to have ubuntu boot up to my desktop without a password (non-root of course).. that's one thing I really like about Windows07:21
Agrajagcomputer > system configuration > login screen setup07:21
AgrajagGeneral tab07:21
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Agrajagcheck "login a user automatically on first bootup" and choose the name07:22
calamari_I don't quite have ubuntu yet, but I'll write that down .. thanks :)07:22
calamari_wow the synaptic screenshots looks just like what I was hoping for.. about time! hehe07:24
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melazyboydoes yopper come with mp3 codec?07:26
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db__where would i go to change the settings i inputed during installation?07:27
geppydb__:  Which settings?07:27
db__all of em, i just skipped thru07:28
db__country, etc07:28
db__could of swore i saw something during install that said u could change it all later07:28
geppydb__:  Each of those things requires a different program to be run, as far as I know.07:29
db__oh really :s07:29
smoI believe it should be /usr/sbin/base-config, but that doesn't appear to be installed here (altho it is on my debian chroot's)07:31
geppydb__:  Actually, no.  You're right, now that I think of it.07:31
geppyjdub:  Any help?  =)07:32
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punkassi think its something like dpkg-reconfigure base-config07:34
fabbioneyou might want to run sudo base-config07:35
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fabbionethat will allow you to reconfigure some startup parameter07:36
punkassah there ya go..couldnt remeber exactly07:36
db__yep that seemed to do the trick :D07:36
calamari_is there a place I can make a donation.. I just ordered the free cd but I want to cover the shipping07:36
fabbionecalamari_: check on the website directly...07:37
fabbioneeither www.canonical.com or www.ubuntulinux.org07:37
calamari_fabbione: I saw the store, but I don't want any of that high priced stuff07:37
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fabbionei can't remember on whichone is the donation link07:37
punkassim sad..my cds still havent been sent07:37
fabbionecalamari_: for the store there was a thread on ubuntu-user mailing list.07:38
db__is this channel the official ubuntu chan?07:38
fabbionecalamari_: i suggest to read it :-)07:38
fabbionedb__: yes07:38
calamari_db__, I think so07:38
mexpgood morning!07:38
mexpQuestion: Is it not possible to install Ubuntu from the livecd...???07:39
punkasscalamari_: there is a bit donate button on the main page07:39
punkassright under the word "donate" ;)07:39
fabbionemexp: nope..07:39
geppyI'm using ALSA+XMMS+ASYM, and it's killing me.07:39
geppyIt's chopping all over the place.07:39
fabbionemexp: there is not enough space to put the packages on the livecd :(07:39
calamari_punkass: you're right.. I must be blind, heh07:39
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melazyboyI can't get my alsa to work =/07:41
melazyboyprobably because i tried baking it in the kernel07:41
melazyboyand it doesn't like that07:42
Seek187Does anyone have any idea what could cause gnome logout button to quit working??07:42
db__ive got a GF4 video card.. will i need to go get drivers for it.. or did ubuntu do that during the updating i did ?07:43
fabbionedb__: if you need the nvidia drivers there is the howto on the wiki07:44
fabbioneit is pretty straigh forward07:44
db__ok, btw what is the wiki?07:44
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punkassfabbione: any word when the new drivers are comin' to ubuntu?07:44
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Plukmorning all07:49
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MobyTurboI'm having trouble getting my nvidia kernel driver automatically loaded. If I boot, gdm is not loaded and I get, after the error message, dumped to the prompt. If I run "sudo modprobe nvidia" and run startx though my nvidia driver works fine.07:51
gsongoodnight everyone:)07:52
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fabbionepunkass: there are still problems with nvidia 6629. but they should come up relatively soon07:53
fabbionedb__: see /topic07:54
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punkasscool..thanks...just curious07:56
gson-hehe iam using a ati driver conf for my gf4ti4600:) works fine07:59
smoMobyTurbo: add a line reading "nvidia" to /etc/modules  .. then it'll be loaded on-boot08:00
punkassanyone know much about cdrecord?08:00
Rotundpunkass: enough usually.  What you need?08:01
MobyTurbosmo, thanks08:01
punkasswell i am trying to use gnomebaker which uses cdrecord08:01
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Rotundokay.  what kind of CD you making?08:01
punkasswhen it runs it, it runs cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA08:01
punkassbut it doesnt find a device08:01
punkasscuz its looking at /dev/hda08:02
punkassand my drive is /dev/hdc08:02
Rotundtry dev=/dev/hdx08:02
Rotundtry /dev/hdc08:02
punkassyeah when i do that cdrecord is fine08:02
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Rotundthat's right08:02
punkassbut i am trying to use gnomebaker which runs that command for me08:02
Rotundremove the -scanbus08:02
RotundI don't think you need that either08:02
punkasswhich is a nice gui program for making audio cds etc08:02
Rotundyou can't adjust it?08:02
punkassthats my question...08:03
punkassnot in prefs of gnomebaker08:03
punkassi found gnomebacker in gconf and set default to 1,0,0 which is my drive08:03
RotundI don't know gnomebaker.  I always used gcombust... though now I'm working on my own GUI08:03
punkassbut it still runs dev=ATA08:03
punkassso i am wondering where ATA is set08:04
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Rotundcould check gconf08:04
punkassso if it looks at ATA i can tell it to look at /dev/hdc08:04
RotundI should expect so08:04
punkassbut i know nautalius can burn08:04
punkasstho i am not sure if nautilus uses cdrecord08:04
Rotundhmmm.  that's pretty much the GUI we were designing!08:05
RotundThought I want VCD and SVCD and DVD support too08:05
punkasshehe..its a pretty slick gui...so if i could burn it be extra good :)08:05
punkassyeah he lists that as 'coming'08:05
Rotundcan you make a .iso file?08:05
punkasswell DVD anyways08:05
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Rotundif you right click on that, nautilus will burn it08:06
RotundI would like a different sort of GUI personally08:06
punkassyeah i just wanted this for making audio cds08:06
Rotundtry gcombust08:06
RotundI like that one08:06
punkassoh yeah gnomebaker has a "create ISO only" checkbox08:07
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Rotundthere ya go08:07
punkassbut thats not much good for audio cds08:07
Rotundyes it is08:07
RotundNautilus will burn any .iso file08:07
Rotundit has no idea what's on it08:07
punkassbut thats if i use a "data" cd which wont convert the mp3s08:07
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Rotunduse gnomebaker to make the iso image.  use nautilus to burn it08:08
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Rotundtrust me.  If the gnomebaker makes the ISO right, nautilus will burn it08:09
punkassyes but i have to choose Data CD to make an iso, which means gnomebaker wont convert the mp3s, it will just put them as mp3s on to the cd08:09
RotundWeee.  I'm installing XFCE on my Ubuntu machine.  I want to see it08:09
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punkasscool..was checkin out some of the screenshots earlier08:10
Rotundyeah.  I want to give it a try once08:10
RotundUbuntu should "support" prelinking08:11
RotundAs in it should do it on the default install08:11
TreenaksRotund: why?08:11
Rotundfaster load times?08:11
Treenaksuh no08:11
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Rotundwhy does everyone else talk about how it speeds up load times?08:12
TreenaksRotund: those are Gentoo people..08:12
punkassand Yoper08:12
RotundYoper does too.08:12
TreenaksRotund: they think everything makes it faster08:12
Rotundexcept I've actually seen the numbers08:12
Rotundand it did08:12
Treenaksubuntu uses other compiler (linker?) flags to optimize load speeds08:13
Rotundoh yeah.  and SuSE is supporting it too now it appears08:13
punkasshaha my mx1000 mouse works better on linux than it does with windows and the official software08:14
TreenaksRotund: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00377.html08:15
Rotundlogitechs mouse drivers are bad.  If you used the default ones under windows, it'd work okay08:15
punkassjust my forward/back buttons dont work on firefox on windows but they do on linux08:15
Treenakspunkass: yet another reason to run linux :)08:16
TreenaksRotund: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=22690908:16
Plukubuntu does support prelink08:16
Plukjust not out of the box08:16
Treenaksprelinking sounds an awful lot like compiling statically to me08:17
punkassTreenaks do you know where the value of ATA is stored, as in cdrecord dev=ATA08:19
TreenaksPluk: you don't want to prelink: updates to libraries won't automatically "work" in prelinked binaries (security updates come to mind)08:19
Plukthats why to run prelink every day08:19
Treenakspunkass: you want cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or something08:20
Treenakspunkass: then it works automatically08:20
TreenaksPluk: yikes.. scary08:20
Pluk:) live on the scary side08:20
punkassyes, but i am trying to run gnomebaker...and its scans for drives with dev=ATA08:20
punkassand that points to /dev/hda...which is my harddrive08:20
punkassso i just get an error08:21
Rotundhmmm.  I thought prelink was supposed to still do a lookup if it failed08:21
Treenakspunkass: then gnomebaker is broken, because it should use HAL to get a device list, list nautilus does08:21
Plukheres a nice piece about prelinking: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml08:21
db__anyone know how to turn off mouse accel ?08:21
Plukindeed a gentoo thingy :)08:21
punkassah..to bad cuz everything else looks nice08:21
punkassbut i guess if it can burn then...good looks arent going to do it any good :)08:22
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punkassComputer > Desktop Prefs > Mouse08:22
Pluklol it sure a shell speeds up program starting :)08:23
crimsunI thought Red Hat worked with prelinking first08:24
crimsunor was it SUSE or Mandrake?08:24
RotundIt sounds like you can turn it on in SuSE w/ YaST08:24
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RotundSuch  prelinking  information  is08:26
Rotund       only  used  if  all its dependant libraries have not changed since pre-08:26
Rotund       linking, otherwise programs are relocated normally.08:26
Rotundthat's from the prelink man page08:26
RotundI don't know if it works right, but that's the claim08:27
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ian333can someone help me please08:28
Rotundwhat cha need?08:28
gson-hum, anyone that has bittorent to ubuntu?08:28
ian333>rotund< do you know cups?08:28
gson-or where to find it...08:28
Rotundian333: Yes... the real thing08:29
ian333>Rotund< i can't print in landscape08:29
RotundI'm not big on GUIs for cups because the web-based cups interface is usually easier to use08:29
ian333>Rotund< i use the web intreface but can't print in landscape08:30
Rotundthat's odd.08:30
punkassgson: they are all listed under download08:30
punkasseg: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent08:30
MobyTurboFedora Core 2, dunno about 1 since I never ran that, has prelinking.08:30
ian333>Rotund< what can i do?08:30
RotundI've never had that problem08:30
RotundYou're running warty, right?08:31
gson-punkass tnx alot08:32
RotundI just upgraded to hoary which has a new (better) gnome-print dialog08:32
punkassno prob08:32
ian333>Rotund< can i only get the package in hoary08:32
RotundYou should just go into the gnome-print dialog and change the paper to landscape.08:32
Rotundwhich program won't?08:33
Rotundokay.  I do think I've seen that08:33
RotundI think I changed the layout of the page and the one in the print dialog (or I needed to change both)08:34
ian333has changed all but to no avail08:35
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gson-hm with what application do i have to use to install  http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent ?:)08:37
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gson-ah lol...my bad08:39
db__atm guys im on 1024 at 60 hertz, and this is about my only display option,anyone tell me how id go about adding some variety in this area ? :s08:39
gson-just took the wrong link:)08:39
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Rotundhmmm.  Xorg and the NVIDIA drivers don't get along08:40
crimsunRotund: sure they do.08:40
db__how would i go about using 1024 @ 100 herts, or 1600 * 1200 @ 72 like in windoze?08:40
Rotundyou do twinview?08:40
db__nope 1 monitor08:40
db__like... i want 1 of those 2 as my desktop rez08:40
gson-db__, got the same prob08:41
Rotundcrimsun: I need the new driver, but it's not in hoary yet08:41
gson-in 1024 i had 200hz08:41
gson-windows that is08:41
Rotunddb__ edit the modelines in XF86Config?08:41
db__ill have a look08:41
db__im pretty noob08:42
gson-Rotund i did that but didnt work:)08:42
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Rotundgson-: you missing the 200 or the 1024?08:42
gson-had 200hz in 1024, in windows08:42
gson-now ive got 85hz in 102408:42
Rotundokay.  edit the monitor section08:43
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gson-in xf86?08:43
RotundBTW: you sure your monitor can handle 200?08:43
Rotundthat's pretty high.08:43
RotundWindows may force the driver to the highest supported (just as a warning if your monitor explodes)08:43
gson-hehe true08:43
stuNNeddang, there should be a way to have ubuntu-desktop and not have evolution/totem-gstreamer08:44
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MobyTurbo85 is a pretty good refresh rate, do you need 200?!08:44
gson-iam used to 200, to go down to 85 heh08:45
ian333who can help me in cups08:45
gson-big differance but its okej now08:45
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gson-iam used to 85 now:)08:45
Tsjoklathi pitti :)08:46
pittiHi Tsjoklat!08:46
gson-someone that can give me the bittorent install08:47
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pastyhermithey all08:47
gson-need to dl naruto :/08:48
pastyhermitcna I remove gnome after I install ubuntu08:48
pastyhermitI just want the new XFCE08:48
pastyhermitbut I like the debian base08:48
pastyhermit(its on a P2 233)\08:48
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gson-bah nobody that has the bittorent install..? or where to get it08:49
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jiyuu0gson-, u want a bittorent program? or the seed?08:50
gson-need to download naruto soon:)08:50
jiyuu0java base08:50
gson-ah tnx jiyuu0 :)08:50
pastyhermitwhat is naruto?08:51
pastyhermitso yeah, can I get rid a gnome?08:51
pastyhermitI'll probably keep it on my more powerfull machine and invoke it over the network onto the P23308:51
jiyuu0pastyhermit, you can download the whole manga on the net to read... quite nice08:52
pastyhermitwhat did you just say08:54
jiyuu0manga = comic book... (jap)08:56
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pastyhermitwhat ever dude08:59
pastyhermityou make no sense08:59
pastyhermitso yeah, can I get rid a gnome?08:59
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gson-jiyuu0 hm got some probs with azureus09:06
gson-wont work09:06
gson-installed it and everything but cant run it heh09:06
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jiyuu0gson-, did u install java?09:07
gson-hm w809:07
jiyuu0try issue $ java09:08
jiyuu0see anything appears?09:08
gson-w8 up:D09:09
Faustushey guys, I think I sloved my sytem freezing on ubuntu, I think it does relate to xscreensaver as I just loaded a ppc distro that i shal not mention that also has xscreensaver.  Well it also freezes my system.  I'm also reading here that loading the dri drivers in xconfig apparently has taken away the problem, although they don't mention xscreensasver yet.09:10
FaustusWho was on here the other day saying that he was running ubuntu on a rev?09:10
stuNNedso does ffmpeg work with gstreamer?09:11
Faustusbeige imac, first generation I think.09:11
jdubFaustus: remove rss-glx and xscreensaver-gl09:12
jdubstuNNed: via gst-ffmpeg, yes09:12
gson-ok jiyuu0 done with the phone09:12
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Faustustried that remember and it didn't work.  I mean it worked better but it still scrashed after that09:13
Faustusit still crashed while operating xxms, having moziolla open and abiword09:14
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stuNNedjdub, don't see gst-ffmpeg package available, is there another name for it?09:14
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jdubstuNNed: it's not in ubuntu09:15
jdubstuNNed: paul drain has made packages of it for warty09:15
gson-yepp some probs with the java jiyuuo09:15
Faustusseems to be a rage 128 specific problem09:16
jiyuu0gson-, the instructions on how to install java is at the page too09:16
gson-heh yepp09:17
gson-ill try reinstall it..09:18
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gson-jiyuu0 heh need a newer version of java:)09:20
gson-oh well, need some sleep now. tnx for everything jiyuu09:20
stuNNedjdub, can i still use the human theme even without ubuntu-desktop installed?09:22
jdubstuNNed: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, it doesn't actually contain anything09:22
stuNNedok thanks09:23
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EricNeoncould anybody see my words inputed?09:28
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Plukyes EricNeon09:30
EricNeon3ks,my locale is zh_CN.UTF-809:32
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stuNNedhi all09:49
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sfrankgood morning everyone09:53
sfranki always forget it is not morning for everybody... sorry :)09:53
QuaziWorkits here sfrank :) goodmorning to you too09:54
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zoso_ubuntumornign folks09:57
zoso_ubuntu*ing even09:57
geppyXMMS stutters a lot with both ALSA and JACK.09:58
zoso_ubuntuany hardware gurus about?09:58
Elwoodgeppy,  i get a lot of xrun10:01
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adrian15bbhello to all10:03
adrian15bbI have a question about Ubuntu live cd10:03
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adrian15bbI've read somewhere that when you run the cd in windows... there's possibility of installing some open source programs in windows such as Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice,...10:04
stuNNeddoes ubuntu use mono stuffs heavily?10:04
geppy*highly doubt it*10:04
adrian15bbIs it true? I am reading ubuntulinux.org wikis and forums and I haven't found anything related to.10:04
QuaziWorkadrian15bb, dont think so, but ofc you download those programs for windows your selve.10:05
adrian15bbQuaziWork, I know I can download them but I wanted to know if it was true.10:05
QuaziWorki think said, that those programs are also installable on windows10:05
geppyAdvice for XMMS-ALSA/JACK stuttering?10:05
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adrian15bbQuaziWork, I don't know if I don't know how to explain myself or you don't understand me. I know that these open source programs can be downloaded from internet and that can be installed on windows. What I want to know if when you're running windows and you insert ubuntu live cd you are given the possibility of installing these programs or not? Are you given the possibility?10:08
zoso_ubuntuprobably not10:08
zoso_ubuntucall that a SWAG10:09
jubo1hey anyone use ubuntu with the gnoppix cd?10:09
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adrian15bbzoso_ubuntu, Sorry about my poor English. I suppose that SWAG is something as a "infounded rumour" but what is its meaning?10:13
zoso_ubuntuScientific Wild Ass Guess10:13
zoso_ubuntuI can see no reason why they would include windows binaries on the Ubuntu live CD10:13
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adrian15bbzoso_ubuntu: If they don't want to run linux, they can run open source programs in windows still.10:15
silbsadrian15bb: yes, the live cd will give you the option of installing those FOSS applications (but not of installing Ubuntu)10:16
Agrajagsilbs: whaaa?10:17
AgrajagThey have windows version of all that stuff on the CD?10:17
adrian15bbsilbs, So it is true. And why can't read it anywhere in ubuntu site?10:17
adrian15bbsilbs, Do you have any url... I want to write an article about it.10:17
silbsAgrajag: the live CD has a handful of apps on it (open office, thunderbird, etc). If you insert it in a windows machine, you can learn about those apps, and install them to your windows machine.10:18
Agrajagseems like a waste of space really10:18
silbsadrian15bb: good point about it not being on the website. Will get that fixed.10:18
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Agrajagbut I guess since you can order the CDs shipped it doesn't necessarily matter10:18
adrian15bbsilbs, Perhaps it is but I couldn't find it anywhere... not in the wiki, not in the forums.10:19
adrian15bbsilbs, I am interested of doing a live cd with the possibilty of installing these open source programs in windows... but in a long term time (Not today or tomorrow)10:19
adrian15bbsilbs, So... Ubuntu live cd interests me. :)10:22
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silbsadrian15bb: i don't think it is on the website anywhere, but we'll add it. It is described on the packaging of the pressed (x86) cds10:24
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adrian15bbsilbs, Ah ha, the guy who described it had these pressed cds. That explains it.10:25
adrian15bbDo you plan making installation even easier I have many ideas about it... and about migrating easily to linux and so.10:25
adrian15bbLet me find you a backup of the ideas10:27
adrian15bbsilbs, Here it is.10:28
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adrian15bbsilbs, It would be great if you made some work on automatisation of installation of various windows programs.10:28
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AgrajagI don't see why they should support any other operating systems beyond putting the installers on the CD10:36
Agrajagthey support one desktop environment, one web browser, one office suite, one operating system.10:37
adrian15bbAgrajag, Well, it's a long discussion. In the begginings of GNU, GNU programs run in propietary kernels. Run in UNIX systems. Why shouldn't GNU programs run in propietary kernel such as Windows ones? But yes,... your question is... why Ubuntu should support it? Well, because if you don't manage to make an user to install Ubuntu, you get it to install open source applications what it is always good, I think.10:40
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Shadow2anyone know a good url for getting prism based wireless cards going under linux?10:48
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Shuflahello dear ubuntus' :)11:07
QuaziWorkhi Shufla11:08
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NewComeri want to get rid of taskbar, so i commented the line with xftaskbar4 in startxfce4, yet taskbar is still loaded at startup11:10
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potatoNewComer, what will you use for keeping tracks of your apps, though ?11:12
NewComerpotato, taskbar plugin within the panel11:12
potatonever worked for me, thatone11:12
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NewComerpotato, it isn't that cute, but works11:12
EricNeonbye all~11:13
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potatoa lil bit of taskbar isn't too bad -> http://users.tpg.com.au/adslal2b/myxfce4.png11:13
EricNeonsee you tomorrow11:14
Faustdoes ubuntu have the xasne working w/o caveats other than root11:14
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MobyTurboout of the various free Javas included with ubuntu, which is the most useful?11:16
potatoNewComer, http://users.tpg.com.au/adslal2b/myxfce4.png11:17
NewComerpotato, i use the same xfwm4 theme :)11:19
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LowryHi all11:28
wavethis resolv.conf is still giving me the shits11:29
waveI edit it and it changes back to nameserver
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Kanohi anyone using kde here?11:30
potatonot much11:31
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potatoWave, do you use dhcp ?11:31
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Waveno static ips11:34
wood1Does anyone know of a very secure and anonymous proxy server ?11:34
Wavesu root then edit via vim then :wq11:35
Shadow2anyone know a good url for getting prism based wireless cards going under linux?11:36
Waveshadow try google for hostap11:37
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wood1Can someone give me some ideas for editing the sudoers file without using visudo command ?11:37
Shadow2k cheers11:37
wood1I want to edit the sudoers file by using Emacs instead of sisudo11:38
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LowryIf you find a card this site has the pigtail list http://www.cantenna.com/pigtailfinder.html11:39
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Kamionwood1: visudo doesn't have to mean vi; it uses the default editor11:48
Kamionwood1: 'export EDITOR=emacs' or whatever and then use visudo11:48
Kamionwood1: but you *should* use visudo because it performs sanity checks to stop you breaking your sudoers file by accident; that's the point of it11:48
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ChibiFSAnyone reallllly trustworthy around? :/11:54
KamionChibiFS: that would depend on the reason11:55
ChibiFSRemote-logon. I'm not sure if my vnc is secure, I don't think I want random people logging into my computer while I'm gone. :P11:56
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nevynChibiFS: asking that on IRC is asking for trouble.11:58
ChibiFSIndeed it is.11:58
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reondo i need to do anything to play mp3s on ubuntu?12:00
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cardadorreon: install gstreamer0.8-mad12:00
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ChibiFSYes, Reon. You need mad or xine. D:12:00
reonah k, would i find them at freshmeat?12:01
cardadorreon: if you check the FAQ on Ubuntu homepage youll find a lot of stuff to help you.12:01
user__sorted had a damn dhcp server turned on a router for my lan12:01
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cardadorreon: to install stuff you use computer > syst conf > synaptic12:01
cardadorreon: again, check the FAQ12:01
reonyea ive updated synaptic12:02
reonand been to the webby like 6 times since last night12:02
wavethe dhcp client must edit /etc/resolv.conf even though static routes are specified12:02
George^Dekahi all, think i broke my ubuntu - i installed firefox from hoary, now when the system boots it does not load gdm instead i get a curses screen telling me x is already running on 0 do you want to try it again on 0 or on another session12:02
reonmustnt see the subjects or something :s12:02
George^Dekado you think there may be a way to fix it12:02
ChibiFSAnyway, I'm pretty certain it's okay, I just want to see if a remote connection attempt will pass. -- would anyone mind trying to vnc to studiochibico.com:0 and tell me if you get a password prompt, and if not, wipe my harddisk? :P12:03
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TreenaksGeorge^Deka: yes, don't install the firefox from hoary on warty12:04
George^DekaTreenaks: well now its done, can anyone suggest a fix12:05
TreenaksI don't know12:05
deFryskGeorge^Deka, update everything to hoary12:05
deFryskdo a dist-upgrade12:06
George^DekadeFrysk: easy enough said than done, im on dialup12:06
wavedialup eek12:07
deFryskGeorge^Deka, then you are in trouble ;/12:07
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=== deFrysk didnt know dial up still existed
danielsdeFrysk: i assure you, it very much still does12:07
ChibiFSWhat is this.... dial?12:08
reonit matter if i get gstreamer0.8-mad from a debian source?12:08
deFryskdaniels, yes12:08
deFryskreon, why not get it from universe ?12:08
QuaziWorkhow do i type a euro sign with ubuntu in open office ?12:08
deFryskQuaziWork, use us_intl and alt-5 or alt-e12:08
Treenaksreon: don't get it from there, get it from ubuntu universe12:09
wood1Is there any commands or software which allows us to shutdown the Ubuntu system at a specific time of the day ?12:09
George^DekadeFrysk, wave, ChibiFS: broadband is too expensive for me bloody australia12:09
reonwhat's universe :s12:09
QuaziWorkuse us_intl ? isnt that default ?12:09
b_e_n_zwood1, cron12:09
reoni only heard of ubuntu last night lol12:09
deFryskAustralia , does that still exist ?12:09
ChibiFSWhat's an australia? D:12:09
QuaziWorkseems alt-e opens the edit menu, and both alt-5 seem to do nothing here :)12:09
LowryFind a cheap plan12:09
reoncan someone help me with universe?12:09
wood1For example, the time now is: 5 PM. Now I want to shutdown the PC at 10 PM12:10
wood1How do I that ?12:10
LowryFew 100 mb a month12:10
ChibiFSIs that one of those...uh.... places.... outside of my room?!12:10
George^DekaLowry: 100mb a month, i would have dist-upgraded that in a day12:10
deFryskreon, add it to your sources.list (uncomment the universe line)12:10
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cardadorreon: you can find that also on the FAQ :\ anyway, go to synaptic > settings > repositories > on the thicked line, add universe and multiverse after "main restricted"12:11
LowryBut then you a shaped back to dial up speeds12:11
George^DekaLowry: yes i know whirlpool, maybe now i started full time work get aanet 30p.m 5gig - bloody 256 but better than nothing12:11
deFryskreon, or what cardador said12:11
reonok will do12:11
LowrySo you can still have a set price and some good days12:11
danielsLowry: eh, it's not as easy as saying whirlpool; I was stuck on dialup until recently because of distance from exchange + pair-gain, and I live in Melbourne12:12
bob2yeah, melbourne is crap like t hat12:13
LowryI am on a rim - so i understand12:13
LowryBut some of the new plans are great - if you can get adsl12:13
reonhow do i add universe and multiverse?12:13
George^Dekabloody oath, at least i dont think im on no stupid rim/pair-gain crap - but as i said i only started full time this week only was getting 100 p.w before that12:14
bob2reon: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto12:14
wood1bob2, what is the exact format of the "cron" command to shutdown my Ubuntu System at 10 PM12:14
cardadorreon: i just told you how!12:14
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reonwhats a thicked line?12:16
reoni thought u ment ticked12:16
deFryskcommented line12:17
deFrysklike #12:17
deFryskthicked line is a thick line ?12:17
wood1Does anybody who knows the exact syntax of the cron command to shutdown the PC at 10 PM?12:17
deFrysklike chloresterol ?12:18
potatochlor ester ?12:18
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potatowood1, man crontab12:18
cardadorreon: dont be a smart ass, you only have one line that is ticked12:19
deFryskis it ticked ?12:20
deFrysknot thicked ?12:20
bob2wood1: "man 5 crontab" explains it12:20
ljlanewood1: man 5 crontab12:20
cardadordeFrysk: i dont know, whatever fits you :)12:21
deFryskhehe :D12:21
ljlanebob2 strikes again12:21
bob2you want 0 for the minute, 10 for the hour, and whatever for the day/month/day-of-week12:21
potatosomething like 0 10 * * * sudo shutdown12:21
potatoor however you do it on ubuntu12:21
bob2ljlane: stop following me!1112:21
cardadordeFrysk: you have about 10 lines, and only one has a mark. so its not so hard12:21
reonok so is what ure trying to say is, tick the 2 box's unticked, and add universe after their section comment?12:21
Kamioncardador: I'd expect there to be two ticked boxes by default12:21
deFryskcardador, /me alwayd edits the sources.list12:21
Kamioncardador: deb warty main restricted and deb-src warty main restricted12:22
cardadorKamion: yes you are right12:22
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potatouhm 0 22 * * *12:24
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potatoheheh   * * * * * yes >> /var/log/yes12:27
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reoncardador, ive only just read this irclog trying to understand what trying to tell me, it seems u think i only have 1 ticked box? when infact i have 5 ticked and 2 unticked.. anyway12:27
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wood1Addding in the crontab "  22  5   * * *   root   halt " does not do anything12:37
reoni got 7 enabled repositories, that normal?12:37
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deFryskreon, you can tic deb-src repo' s savely12:40
deFryskhmm , too late12:40
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wood1man 5 crontab has not helped me12:42
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=== Gmail still has no sound
imii can't get java working in firefox. i've followed the instructions on the wiki but no success12:45
Gmailimi: i can12:46
Gmailthat shows you did something wrong12:46
imiGmail, how?12:46
Gmailimi: do you have java installed12:46
imij2re , j2sdk12:47
Gmaildid you copy the plug into the plug dir?12:47
Gmailusing ln -s12:47
imiln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so12:47
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dracyou're screwed!12:48
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imicould you please try this page: http://www.netbanking.at and see if it works for you?12:51
Gmailimi: you used the wrong command12:51
Gmailyou just screwed the plugin12:51
wood1How do I restart the cron daemon12:51
Gmailimi: i can relov that domain12:51
Gmailohh wait here is comes12:52
wood1I get the cron service temporarily unavailable12:52
Gmailimi: it work but wheres the java?12:52
Gmailimi: i clicked demo12:53
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imiGmail for me it says that i need a java capable browser12:53
Gmaili see no java at all12:53
Gmailall you stuff your plugin12:53
Gmail'please reinstall the plugin12:54
giannicolawhich program do you use to burn cd's i ubuntu?12:55
giannicolado i have to install k3b?12:55
b_e_n_zgiannicola, nautilus12:55
jdubgiannicola: if you only need to burn data (not audio), use nautilus12:55
jdubgiannicola: it should pop up when you insert a blank disk12:56
giannicolai'll try12:57
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giannicolaok it works12:58
giannicolahi king arthur12:58
king_arthurhi there12:58
Gmailjdub: you can burn audio onto a cd but it will not do audio > an normal audio cd12:58
giannicolaand if i have to burn audio cd's12:58
Gmailwb k12:58
Gmailwb king_arthur12:59
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jdubGmail: i know.12:59
Gmailgiannicola: wait till gnome 2.1012:59
jdubgiannicola: you'll need to install k3b to burn audio cds.12:59
Gmailjdub: not true12:59
b_e_n_zgiannicola, xcdroast01:00
b_e_n_zgiannicola, grip01:00
Gmailhe/she can do it by cli or gnome-baker01:00
Gmailor grip01:00
jdubGmail: there is no guarantee that gnome 2.10 will include a cd burning tool beyond n-c-b.01:00
jdubGmail: sure, he/she could do that, but *i'd* recommend k3b.01:00
Gmailjdub: its top on the list for rythmicbox01:00
jdubGmail: can you chill out please?01:00
giannicolai'm a guy01:01
jdubGmail: it may or may not happen, i'm well aware of what's going on in gnome01:01
giannicolaok i want to install k3b and i've read the how to01:01
Gmailjdub: the rhythmbox devs said in footnote it will for sure be in the next version01:01
KamionGmail: jdub is the GNOME release manager; you might want to pick and choose whom you argue with here ;)01:01
GmailKamion: i know01:02
Gmailwhere is jordi01:02
giannicolabut i don't understand what "First, make sure you have enabled the "universe" repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list file or in synaptic under Settings-Repositories01:02
giannicola means01:02
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Gmaili think she can  comfer it01:02
jdubgiannicola: do you use synaptic?01:03
KamionGmail: jordi certainly didn't look like a woman when I met him01:04
pisukejordi is a boy name01:05
jdubgiannicola: in settings > repositories, turn on the disabled universe/multiverse lines01:05
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imiabout:plugins in firefox tells me that i have java enabled. still, one page is complaining about java01:11
jiyuu0imi, which?01:12
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imia rather important one01:12
jiyuu0imi, seems fine01:12
GmailKaloz: wtf01:12
jiyuu0imi, which part complaining no java?01:13
Talliesinmaybe it has ms jvm only code01:13
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KalozGmail: ?01:13
imithe page doesnt load, i get a box in the middle it says your browse doesnt support java. i've checked, gecko is supported01:13
GmailKamion: that was for you01:13
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imii'm trying the java thing from the official site01:14
jiyuu0try follow how to install java plugin here http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html01:14
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MasterDHello, can anybody tell me how to install an Asus WL-100g wireless PCMCIA card on Ubuntu 4.10?01:17
jiyuu0iwconfig shows u anything?01:17
stoKamion: jordi is not a girl, but he waxes his legs... :)01:18
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MasterDI try it01:18
jiyuu0MasterD, can see any output?01:18
MasterDAs far as the card itself, it's LINK light does not go on, but I can see it in Device Manager as a Broadcom card (chipset)01:21
MasterDThe rest of Ubuntu (like the signal meter) can't see it, so I can't select it01:21
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jiyuu0go to terminal type $ iwconfig01:21
MasterDno - no - no01:22
MasterDBut does that command also look at the PCMCIA card slots?01:22
jiyuu0i thought it could have auto detect01:23
MasterDAs the Device manager sees it, isn't it possible that the card just has to be 'turned on' like in Windows?01:24
MasterDThat it is currently disabled?01:24
pisukeMasterD, maybe you need the firmware01:24
pisukefor your card01:24
jdubMasterD: if it's broadcom, and 802.11g, you're out of luck most likely01:24
MasterDYes, but Asus does not deliver anything for Linux, so what do you advise>?01:24
jdubMasterD: perhaps try ndiswrapper01:24
pisukeor some place like that01:25
MasterDIt IS a Broadcom 802.11g01:25
jiyuu0jdub, u saying broadcom wifi not supported?01:25
jdubjiyuu0: that's why everyone is grumpy with apple :)01:25
non3Sorry to interupt, I have minor question about the main menu bar that has the picture of the gnome foot, "Applications, Computer". Is there any way to access the "Computer" menu without having the entire menu bar there?01:26
MasterDSo I can't use Ubuntu with my Asus WiFi card?01:27
jdubnon3: you can make the panel hide01:27
KamionMasterD: ndiswrapper is a really scary hack to let you use Windows drivers on Linux01:27
jdubnon3: and then hit alt-f1 to get to applications01:27
KamionMasterD: worth a shot as a last resort01:27
KamionMasterD: (although only on i386)01:28
MasterDIs that for those Win2000 drivers I read something about>01:28
MasterDI have i38601:28
Kamionthink so01:28
MasterDHmm, I'll try it01:28
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non3I hoping to access things on the "Computer" menu, such as desktop prefs and system config01:29
scoonMasterD: try and do an lspci -v, see if maybe the chipset is given01:29
mjrKamion, it's not scary. Scary would be if someone integrated ndiswrapper with qemu to allow execution of the Windows drivers on Linux/PPC ;)01:29
mjras such, ndiswrapper is merely ugly, but out of necessity :01:30
Kamionmjr: I'm fairly sure I heard of somebody trying that once01:30
king_arthurKamion: how does ndiswrapper perform?01:30
scoonMasterD: i use linksys wireless pci card on my desktop and ubuntu.  someone else makes the chips for them and has the driver code for linux compilation available.01:30
MasterDBroadcom BCM9430601:31
Kamionking_arthur: no idea01:31
king_arthurmjare you happy with ndiswrapper?01:31
king_arthurmjr: are you happy with ndiswrapper?01:31
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MasterDSo where should I get the propper drivers for this Broadcom card?01:32
bob2MasterD: wireless card?01:33
Kamionking_arthur: nobody should be *happy* with ndiswrapper ...01:33
king_arthurKamion: :-)01:33
king_arthurKamion: better than having no connection at all01:34
eruinbah, somebody said my name but my buffer doesnt contain it ;)01:34
Lowrynight all01:35
MasterDAbout that ndiswrapper, I can't find it01:35
jiyuu0MasterD, try http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=81001:37
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jiyuu0maybe do a google search on Broadcom BCM94306 linux driver01:37
jiyuu0sud five u some hints01:38
MasterDThat site is already open at this side :)01:38
jiyuu0good luck01:38
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MasterDBut it doesn't work here (propably my fault)....01:39
MasterDOeps, I see it, maybe it should be handy to connect my system with ethernet for a while01:40
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sleonhow to disable grub install during cd install?01:49
sleoni don't want to install it at all01:50
sleoni try something now01:50
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gnobodyI am having problems with Rhythmbox and Totem in hoary02:11
seb128details ?02:11
gnobodyTotem crashes whenever I launch it02:11
seb128totem-xine ?02:11
seb128or gstreamer02:11
gnobodyand Rhythmbox gives me "Resource not open for writing" whenever I click on a music file02:11
seb128try to launch with a file as argument02:11
seb128it crashes when the playlist is empty due to a libpng bug02:11
kapputufirefox seems terribly slow02:11
gnobodyor rhythmbox02:11
seb128totem a_file...02:11
kapputunot resolving domain names properly02:11
seb128for rhythmbox, what's your audio sink in gstreamer-properties ?02:11
wavekapputu i had problems earlier with dns02:11
gnobodytotem-xine works when I point it to an MP302:11
wavekapputu are you using dhcp02:11
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kapputuit was working great till yesterday02:11
wavei found that the dhcp client would edit /etc/resolv.conf and put the dhcp server address as the dns server02:11
waveeven though I placed static ips in /etc/network interfaces02:11
wave /etc/network/interfaces02:11
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Shadow2anyone know where the wlan conf is in ubuntu?02:11
kapputuit takes ages to look up slashdot02:11
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gnobodyI have set it to alsa, arts, OSS, and none of them work02:12
seb128gnobody: esd02:13
kapputui'm royally pissed off02:13
jiyuu0|workkapputu, have u try disable ipv6 in firefox02:14
gnobodyyeah esd doesn't work either02:15
seb128do you have esd running ?02:15
gnobodyI don't know02:15
seb128have changed something on the default installation ?02:16
gnobodyhow do I run it?02:16
seb128so it should be running02:16
seb128ps ax | grep esd ?02:16
gnobody/dev/dsp: No such device02:16
gnobodywhen I run esd I get the above02:16
gnobody22531 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep esd02:17
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gnobodyjason@ubuntu:~ $ ps ax | grep esd02:17
gnobody22531 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep esd02:17
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seb128gnobody: oh, your soundcard doesn't work at all so02:18
seb128gnobody: what kind of soundcard do you have ?02:18
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gnobodysoundblaster live 5.102:20
waveshadow2 you might be able to use iwconfig from /etc/network/interfaces02:20
gnobodyit has worked like every other time I have installed hoary02:20
gnobodywhich has been at least 4 times02:20
gnobodythis is wierd02:20
seb128gnobody: /dev/dsp should be created when the module for your soundcard is loaded02:21
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gnobodyI just did a "sudo modprobe emu10k1" and it didn't fix it02:23
stuNNedgnobody, what does `lspci|grep -i audio` say?02:23
kensaiI have installed xorg and now I want to install nvidia driver and nvidia-glx-config enable does not function it is searching for XFree86Config02:23
gnobody0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)02:24
gnobody0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)02:24
danielskensai: yes, known issue, will be fixed in the next day or two02:24
sladengnobody: can you search the logs in /var/log/messages and see if there is anything noting why it didn't load automatically02:24
kensaidaniels, so I will be without nvidia driver for 2 days?02:24
kensaiI could die ;)02:24
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stuNNedgnobody, looks like your problem is you have onboard sound?  i would go into bios and disable that, then should work ok.02:25
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stuNNedgnobody, or a tv card?02:25
pisukeis a tv card02:25
gnobodyit's my tv card02:26
stuNNedgnobody, lsmod|grep bttv02:26
danielskensai: y'know, you could just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "nv" to "nvidia"02:26
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cenerentolahi tere02:28
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sleondoes ubuntu has xorg 6,8.1?02:29
kensaidaniels, ahh I though that didn't worked on Ubuntu, Vah thats easy then ;)02:29
sleonif yes then how to install it02:29
stvnsleon: yes02:29
kensaisleon, upgrade to hoary02:29
sleonkensai how to do it?02:30
kensaisleon, in /etc/apt/sources.list change everything that says warty to hoary02:31
kensaisleon, Warning: You'll get unstable02:31
stvnsleon: be aware that hoary is the current development version of ubuntu, it is not as stable as warty02:32
sleonmy vid card in notebook works only with Xor02:32
danielswhat video card?02:32
sladensleon: warty (stable) is XF4 + 320,000 lines of patches.  hoary (development) is Xorg02:33
sleonvia chrome02:33
danielsfabbione: did we end up backporting unichrome, or not?02:33
sladensleon: the Xvesa driver should work02:33
sleoni know02:33
sleonbut i want accelerated dvd playback02:33
fabbionedaniels: no02:33
fabbioneit was broken02:33
danielsi think i'm going to backport it for xorg02:34
cenerentolai've got a problem with the wifi gateway, if i try "sudo route add default gateway" it says "SIOADDRT:Network is unreachable"02:34
stvnthere are no ati/radeon 3D drivers for xorg in ubuntu yet, right?02:34
danielsstvn: of course there are02:35
danielsstvn: warty and hoary both support full 3D acceleration for the r1xx/r2xx series (i.e. everything up to and including the Radeon 9250)02:35
cenerentolais there any way to use the mac address of the gateway?02:35
sleoni can not remove xprt-xprintorg02:35
sleoni get an error02:35
sleonFATAL ERROR02:35
sleonhow to remove it?02:35
danielssleon: you'll need to be more specific -- the exact text of the error02:36
sleonpost-install process returned error 102:36
sladencenerentola: you'll need to adjust those IP addresses for your own setup02:36
danielsthe entire exact text of the error02:36
sleonFATAL ERROR : Uknown XProjectRoot02:36
sleoni active gpm and paste it02:36
cenerentolasladen: what do you mean? it all worked since yesterday night..02:36
cyberdrekcenerentola, is your net card on that network?02:37
danielscenerentola: change 'gateway' to 'gw'02:37
Kamionsleon: only paste if it's a small number of lines02:37
cenerentoladaniels: sorry i mistyped... ima already using gw02:37
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cenerentolacan rp_filter cause it?02:37
sleonKamion 15 Lines02:37
sleonwhere to paste it??02:37
sleoni have no X02:38
sleonand no browser02:38
sleonso what now?02:38
Kamionyou have w3m surely?02:38
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sleonhow to paste in w3m using console mouse??02:41
sleonwhen i do right click context menu opens .....02:41
sleonmiddle click is not working02:41
sleonso what now?02:41
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sleonEntferne xprt-xprintorg ...02:42
sleoninvoke-rc.d: initscript xprint, action "stop" failed.02:42
sleondpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von xprt-xprintorg (--purge):02:42
sleon Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck02:42
sleoninvoke-rc.d: initscript xprint, action "restart" failed.02:42
sleondpkg: Fehler beim Aufrumen:02:42
sleon Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck02:42
sleonFehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:02:42
sleon xprt-xprintorg02:42
Kamionbleh, you need to be less impatient02:42
sleonyes sure, 1 hour to find it out first ...02:42
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Sepero0Hi peeps :)02:42
Kamionone minute often isn't enough time for people to answer when they're also doing other work02:42
cyberdrekMaybe you guys can help me solve my issue. I'm using ubuntu warty with the ATI drivers for my radeon 9000 card. I dual screen using the big desktop setting. Works fine with any window managers except for xfce. It runs fine except that I can't access my second monitor. Am I the only one? I've tried asking for help on the xfce channel but the only answer I got was from some lamer that just bitched because he didn't like ATI.02:43
sleonmaybe you are right02:43
sleonbut this where not much to post02:43
Kamionwell, that looks like '/etc/init.d/xprint stop' failed; find out why02:43
stvnsleon: you could have use #flood02:43
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sleonKamion thx02:45
stvndaniels: ah ok, but the fglrx drivers complain about xorg, what driver should i use instead? (i have a radeon 9200) (BTW sorry for the late response, computer crashed )02:45
sleonKamion i replace it with line exit 0 :)02:45
sleonand it woooooooorks :)02:46
danielsstvn: just use the bog standard driver that comes with xorg02:46
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danielsstvn: it provides full 3D acceleration for your card, fglrx is pointless02:46
stvndaniels: heh, I asumed that there was no 3D accel in the bog standard - so assuming ;)02:47
stvndaniels: btw do you know if also provides tv-out support?02:47
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sleonwhat is the name of virtual package which installs xorg and all needed libs?02:48
danielsstvn: the normal one doesn't, but if you're comfortable playing around with development stuff, I can give you a radeon_drv.o that might well do it for you02:48
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danielssleon: there is none02:48
sleondaniels x-window-system02:48
sleonfound it :)02:49
danielssleon: if xfree86 is already installed, just running apt-get install x-window-system or whatever, will not upgrade to xorg02:49
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danielsif you want to use xorg, then just fully to jump to hoary -- if you're not prepared to jump to hoary, then don't use xorg02:49
sleondaniels it is already removed02:49
daniels90% of the xorg problems I debug come from mixing environments02:49
danielser, you do know that removing that won't remove xfree86/xorg, right?02:50
sleondaniels yes02:50
sleondaniels how can i completey upgrade from warty to hoary? apt-get dist-upgrade? (when all sources configured to hoary)02:50
danielsyes, dist-upgrade02:50
danielsbut I wouldn't recommend it unless you're comfortable dealing with possible breakage02:51
sleondaniels are you interested in my feedback?02:51
danielsand have the skills to deal with it02:51
danielssleon: in what regards?02:51
sleondaniels i have some crapy unichrome notebook card02:51
danielssleon: right ...02:51
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danielsi don't believe xorg will help you here02:51
sleonit works on my perverted kanotirx02:52
sleon4.3.0 does not have fupport for it02:52
cyberdrekdaniels: is xinerama support in xorg better than the one in XFree86?02:52
sleonX.org has02:52
danielssleon: bear in mind that 'X.org' is relative02:52
sleondaniels what does it mean?02:52
danielssleon: we have 52,000 lines of patches on top of X.Org right now (some of which is just taken from upstream updates)02:52
danielssleon: and everyone else patches X to hell as well02:52
danielsi don't know whether or not we have the full new unichrome driver02:52
danielsmaybe we do, in which case, check it out02:53
sleoni do thx02:53
sleon52k lines of patches WOW :)02:53
daniels52,571, to be exact02:53
mjrcyberdrek, better in what way? Not xinerama per se, but xorg does eg. support xineramaish dual-head with 3d acceleration for radeons, which xfree does not02:53
sleondaniels how that much?02:53
sleondaniels what do you patch ? why is it needed to be patched?02:53
sleoni is such a pale of junk?02:54
sleonis it02:54
sleondaniels hmmmmm02:54
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sleoni heard that Xorg has a native drivers for my card02:54
sleonso if you have not patched this out, then all should be fine :)02:55
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sleonare there security updates for hoary?02:56
danielsnot to the same level as warty02:56
sleoncan i contribute money via paypal?02:56
danielssleon: we've taken a lot of the updates proposed for the 6.8.2 release, the rewrite of the Wacom driver so it actually generally works, and our own fixes and tweaks (most of which I've now sent upstream)02:57
cyberdrekmjr: thanks for the answer. the support being better, I mean, that even if I had my XF86Config-4 configured properly, and checked agains a working version and according to examples on the net also, I still had some problems with XFree86 not seeing the xinerama option. Don't know why but it only worked in single monitor mode.02:57
danielsyou can if you want, there's a link at www.ubuntulinux.org; donating doesn't get you any extra privileges, however02:57
sleondaniels ;( :))))02:57
sfrankmaybe a dumb question, but i'm curious02:57
mjrcyberdrek, well it should basically work, even if some features aren't available02:58
sleondaniels wow, are there real X programs under devs??02:58
sfrankcan i run warty as stably as a debian on my server?02:58
danielssleon: sorry?02:58
sleondaniels are there real x programmers under the ubuntu developers02:58
sfranki'm about buying a new server (amd64)...02:58
danielssleon: i work on X upstream, yes, and fabbione also does a bit02:58
sleondaniels my biggest privilege is to see the project keep going02:58
magnonsfrank: well, that depends heavily on which debian you're using :)02:58
sleondaniels thank you02:59
danielsany time02:59
cyberdrekmjr: I was talking about XFree86 of course. Not Xorg. Never tried Xinerama on xorg yet. But if you say it works, I'll probably upgrade to it then, and get rid of XFree86.02:59
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sfrankand as far as i now, there is no official sarge binary for amd64, and won't be ever.02:59
danielssfrank: i'm sure there will be at some stage02:59
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sleondaniels how big is your programing expirience?02:59
magnonsfrank: I've been hearing that people have had problems with 64 bit stuff, now that might be a hardware problem, since I've never touched a 64 bit machine (thinking about it, I have. but whatever)02:59
sleondaniels how to start hacking X and so on, which knowledge do i need03:00
danielssleon: not hugely deep; I only started maintaining X early last year, and working on it early this year03:00
danielsum, not heaps, but a good overview of how X works is essential03:00
magnonsleon: if you have some general programming knowledge, it shouldn't be harder than doing your work on getting to know the software and libraries03:00
sleondaniels how long are you programming in C?03:00
sleonmagnon i can java :D03:01
sleonmagnon can i do it now then?03:01
magnonthen you could overlook the TODO lists and whatnot, and start seeing if you can contribute some patches to things that needs work03:01
sfrankdaniels: if you mean alioth (the project), well, it is not considered to be very stable03:01
danielssleon: probably about the last three years03:01
sleonmagnon nice03:01
magnonthat way your patches will be reviewed and you can get some feedback too03:01
danielssfrank: yah, I know, and they did also give out their archive signing key03:01
sleondaniels hmm same here, but not intece,03:01
sleondaniels i have everytime problems with C's segfaults03:01
danielssfrank: but, presumably, at some later point in the future, debian will support amd64 (i'd be very, very surprised if Debian didn't)03:02
nevyndaniels: need to do graphics for pylogo... parser has sufficient functionality.03:02
sfrankdaniels: let's say as stable as sarge?03:02
nevyndaniels: but not sarge?03:02
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danielsnevyn: you should03:02
sleonmagnon where is this TODO file? in the package source?03:02
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danielsnevyn: totally not sarge03:02
magnonask daniels, I don't know x.org :)03:02
sleonmagnon ok :D03:02
danielssleon: we don't have a TODO file, sorry03:02
sleondaniels hmm :(03:02
sfrankthey do, but never in sarge, but in the upcoming testing...03:02
sleondaniels :))03:03
danielssfrank: as I said03:03
mjrcyberdrek, yes, and I was saying that xinerama should work quite fine on xfree86 as well03:03
sleonis there any kind of X.org auto configuration utility?03:03
sfrankdaniels: are you running warty in production?03:03
magnonsleon: start crawling the mailing lists then03:03
sfrankdaniels: i mean on servers?03:03
danielssfrank: yes03:04
mjr(unless you have a badly supported card or something)03:04
sleonmagnon roger03:04
sfrankdaniels: without any difficulties?03:04
danielssfrank: works fine for me03:04
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magnonsfrank: ubuntu has been much less difficult to handle than debian03:04
cenerentolahello again..03:04
cenerentolamy connection dropped...03:04
sleonhi babe03:04
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baconiaalhi there! i'm a bit of an ubuntu noob... and i'm trying to load sound drivers, under debian i always use modconf ut i'm trying to find an alternative solution for ubuntu. anyone got a suggestion?03:05
cenerentolaquick question: has ubuntu speedstep kernel support?03:05
cyberdrekmjr: at the time, I was using the Xvesa driver with my ATI and had xinerama all set up. Anyhow, I will be doing an upgrade to ubuntu hoary later today.03:05
danielscenerentola: yes03:05
sfrankmagnon: i'll see how it works e.g in my vpn network, as i site-to-site gateway03:05
cenerentoladaniels: whats the best interface?03:06
sfrankwhat about its multimedia features? i've hard it has some issues...03:06
sleoncenerentola you mean the scaling daemon?03:07
cenerentolasleon: yes..03:07
sfrankwell i don't wanna do giant tricks, but run my bttv card with xawtv or motv and stuff like that.03:07
cenerentolasleon: sorry im not use to software engineering...03:08
sleoncenerentola i use cpufreqd , it scales automatically03:08
sleoncenerentola there you can define some profiles03:08
magnonsfrank: in any case you're doing a good job if you're stumbling upon something that is easier to do in Debian proper than ubuntu.03:08
sleoncenerentola like then you are running dvd playback == FULL CPU SPEED03:08
sleoncenerentola and so on, or when you are on battery max  saving03:08
sleoncenerentola and max and min cpufreq03:09
sleoncenerentola it has some text config file03:09
cenerentolasleon: thx mate, i03:09
cenerentolasleon: huu, are they intuitive, or a manual is needed?03:09
sleoncenerentola i think yes ...03:10
sleoncenerentola there is other tools thogh : grafikal but i never used them03:10
sleoncenerentola the manpage is not so big03:10
sleoncenerentola reading is surely be worth it03:10
sfrankmagnon: i've read so much good words on ubuntu, when i get home this afternoon, i'll give it a go on my workstation ;)03:11
cenerentolaok im doing thx a lot my friend03:11
magnonsfrank: good, you will be pleased :)03:11
sfrankmagnon: are you an active member of the community?03:11
magnonI try to :)03:12
sfrankmagnon: do you happen to develope sometimes too? :)03:12
magnonagain, I try to :P03:13
cyberdrekmagnon, you try to too much... :)03:13
deFryskhmm new gxine in hoary looking good :D03:13
sfrankmagnon: nice ;)03:14
magnonI loved the fact that hoary opened ftp links in nautilus03:15
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cyberdrekgot to go but thank you all for your help.03:18
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sleondaniels Xorg works fine with via driver03:21
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deFrysknew nautilus can be setup as browser in prefs of nautilus now03:23
SlipieHey everybody03:23
SlipieI have a problem installing ubuntu03:23
SlipieAfter the setup has scanned for IDE devices is stops with the setup03:23
SlipieDoes anyone know how to solve this problem?03:24
sleonbye all03:24
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Shadow2my wlan0 shows up with a data rate of 2MB/s and wont let me change the essid/mode/anything using iwconfig. I'm using the wlan drivers from the ubuntu repository03:31
jiyuu0Shadow2, Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking (add new connection)03:32
Shadow2yeah been there done that :)03:32
sladenShadow2: sudo ifconfig wlan0 down && sudo modprobe -r hostap_pci && sudo modprobe hostap_pci && sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid foobar && sudo ifconfig wlan0 up03:33
Treenakssladen: what kind of card is it?03:33
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sfrankmagnon: do you guys have any idea, why i can't install warty on vmware?03:34
jiyuu0Shadow2, u shud be able to set essid there03:34
sfrankis there a particular reason for this?03:34
magnonI wouldn't know, sorry03:34
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jiyuu0Shadow2, try add a wireless connection there... not sure helps but that's how i setup my wifi03:34
sfranki always get the "deboostrap program exited with an error..."03:35
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Shadow2k i'll check it out, cheers03:35
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Shadow2i'm using the wlan prism2_usb module tho03:38
stvndaniels: If you could give me that radion_drv.o I'll try if I can get TV-out working with it03:38
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eruindefault httpd root is in var?03:40
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Presskopphi yo2lux03:42
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yo2luxi have an installed Ubuntu linux, when the system boot iu receive this error : GRUB loading stage1.5.  Grub Loading Please wait....    Error 1803:42
yo2luxAnd system don't boot03:42
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yo2luxthe HDD partitioned by ubuntu, default partitions03:43
danielsstvn: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/i386-radeon_drv.o -- copy to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o03:43
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yo2luxanyone help me ?03:46
stvndaniels: thanks03:46
Shadow2bah no luck03:46
eruinwhat's the mechanism in ubuntu to start/stop/restart services?03:46
eruinI'm used to service X start|stop|restart03:47
stvneruin: /etc/init.d/<service> start stop restort03:47
sladensudo /etc/init.d/$service {start,stop}03:47
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veranonjoin from Britney___03:55
verangod I hate onjoins03:55
veranho humm04:00
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fabbionedaniels: ?04:02
veransup fabbione04:03
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jonohi all04:04
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danielsfabbione: 14:55 < veran> onjoin from Britney___04:04
jonoanyone know of a debian apt source with the latest OOo snapshot?04:04
yo2luxGRUB loading stage1.5.  Grub Loading Please wait....    Error 18 .. I receive this error, why ?04:04
rdw200169 corrupt partition?04:05
veranjono: try apt-get.org04:05
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fabbionedaniels: ok04:06
yo2luxrdw200169 what is corrupt partition, ubuntu don't what the hell do ? because all partition set by default.. I don't touch the partition04:07
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rdw200169i got Error 17 after i fried my ubuntu partition trying to resize it04:09
veranyo2lux: what was on the disk before hand?04:10
veranmight have a trashed mbr04:10
verando a re-install and manually do the partitioning and see what happens04:11
smoError 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS04:12
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smoit'd appear your machine is old enough to require a seperate /boot partition at the start of the disk.  I'm not sure if the automatic partitioning does that04:12
smo(it may very well do, I've simply never tried the automagic option)04:13
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djpigjust in case someone finds it usefull: I've set up a little packages.d.o copy for ubuntu packages: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/04:18
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djpighave fun04:18
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gommansCan we expect an official forum for ubuntu?04:23
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danielsgommans: http://www.ubuntuforums.org are the official forums04:24
KeithWeisshardoes ubuntu have a lot of bugs04:25
KeithWeissharwhat's the official way to upgrade ubuntu04:25
KeithWeissharusing apt-get04:25
veranapt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or apt-get dist-upgrade)04:26
gommansthanks daniels!04:26
gommanswhat is the exact difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?04:26
eruindist-upgrade solves dependencies04:26
Kamiongommans: see 'man apt-get'04:26
danielsgommans: no worries.  dist-upgrade will remove packages to achieve a full upgrade if necessary, whereas upgrade will not.04:27
gommansthanks daniels!04:27
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gommansany former mepis users here?04:28
eruinor to quote synaptic: default upgrade skips upgrades that would introduce conflicts or would require insatlling additional packages, while dist-upgrade attempts to resole conflicts and to fulfill all dependencies of upgrades in a "smart way"04:28
ggiIs GNOME failing to start for anybody else in the current Hoary?04:28
kensaiwhat is negaverse?04:28
veranI prefer the apt-get -u dist-upgrade04:28
eruinggi: no04:28
eruinggi: nm that, I haven't got todays update04:29
gommansI prefer gui, synaptic to be precise04:29
eruinI prefer synaptic to find new apps / search, apt-get to do upgrades04:29
veranI use synaptic on my laptop right now, am trying the "GUI way" for awahile04:30
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Kamionkensai: negaverse? never heard of it04:31
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veranis there going to be an easy way to reconfigure PAM to auth against a AD domain in hoary?04:34
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CardinalSinafternoon all.04:37
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Maydaywhat is it that makes stuff show up in the "disk mounter" applet?04:39
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kensaihwta happens in this hour that everybody leaves?04:43
CardinalSinmust be home time on this time line.04:44
Gwildorthat is true, seems every day04:44
kensaihere is afternoon04:45
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Gwildor10:45 in the morning here04:45
CardinalSinit's 17:44 down here on Cape Town South Africa.04:45
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CardinalSinon = in.04:45
kensai11:45 morning here04:45
keknehvIs there any way that I can get one of those cool transparent terminals that I see in other people's screenshots on my desktop?04:45
kensaikeknehv, right click the terminal and edit profile04:46
keknehvHappy thanksgiving! (if you're in the us)04:46
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Gwildoryou too04:46
kensaiI haven't eat turkey and probably will not eat today ;)04:46
kensaikeknehv, after you right click on the terminal and choose change profile go to the effects tab and enable transparent04:47
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keknehvcan I then dock it to my desktop?04:48
kensaiI don't know what you mean by that04:48
keknehvok... hold on a sec04:49
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kensaihey guys is there an easy way to install 2.6.9. I don't want to compile right now.04:50
kensaiI mean kernel 2.6.904:50
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kensaieverybody is eating turkey by now and praying to their God!04:51
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kensaiexcept for me ;)04:51
Gwildorim not04:51
Gwildorno god04:51
kensaime neither04:51
CardinalSinnor I.04:51
keknehvlol... I'm not eating turkey... (yet)04:52
keknehvCan I make the weather display in my time bar?04:52
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veranturkey for later04:52
kensaikeknehv, well I guess yes just move it there04:52
kensaiLinux is more important than thanksgiving day04:53
keknehv? just move it there?04:53
kensaikeknehv, LOL04:53
keknehv...another one to add to the list of "you know you're addicted to linux"04:53
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jonowhich dir is the firefox plugins dir?05:17
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}cAs{hawk16anyone there?05:19
ironwolfwhatcha need hawk?05:19
Gwildorim here05:19
}cAs{hawk16im looking for a linux os05:19
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}cAs{hawk16and ubuntu05:19
}cAs{hawk16looks promising05:19
}cAs{hawk16but idk05:19
mikehow do i have to install ati radeon 9600 on x.org?05:19
}cAs{hawk16I need to know more about ubuntu05:20
Gwildorits godd, what you need to know?05:20
ironwolfhawk: try the LiveCD.  Ubunto Linux without installing.05:20
}cAs{hawk16well can it do everything basically?05:20
}cAs{hawk16multimedia, coding, server work, etc...05:20
ironwolfhawk: for most values of everything, yes.05:20
}cAs{hawk16it looks cool 2 :)05:21
}cAs{hawk16I am used to working05:21
}cAs{hawk16with freebsd and red hat servers05:21
}cAs{hawk16so like i never used linux graphically05:21
ironwolfmike: should autodetect.  does it not?05:21
mikeironwolf: it does. but no 3d accelleration.05:21
ironwolfhawk: welcome to the new world of Linux Desktops. :)05:21
ironwolfDaniels around?05:22
}cAs{hawk16right now im on the only decent windows os, im getting a second hardrive to run linux on05:22
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}cAs{hawk16I don't feel like formatting and partioning05:22
}cAs{hawk16so im just gonna get a new drive05:22
ironwolfhawk: cool, you know you can try the LiveCD version without installing yes?05:23
ironwolfmike: LiveCD or Warty install?05:23
}cAs{hawk16can u give me a link?05:23
danielsironwolf: yo05:24
mikeironwolf: it's installed. newest hoary release05:24
ironwolfhawk: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso05:24
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ironwolfdaniels: can you speak to that radeon 9600 3d accell problem on x.org?05:24
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danielsironwolf: er, we don't have 3D acceleration for the 9600 at all05:25
ironwolfdaniels: is it coming? or is it dead?05:25
Gwildordaniels, radeon 700005:25
danielsironwolf: hopefully coming soonish05:25
danielsGwildor: hmm?05:25
Gwildorin XORG05:26
ironwolfmike: it's coming soonish sayeth the xorg God aka Daniels. :)05:26
danielsGwildor: works fine05:26
ironwolfdaniels: thanks.  ps.  Good morning!05:26
mikeironwolf: aha. and there is no driver support now?05:26
ironwolfmike: daniels *Xorg God* says the 3d support isn't there yet, but it's coming soon.05:27
danielsironwolf: the sun's just setting here05:27
Gwildorwhat works fine, sorry, still noobish, the flgrx drivers?05:27
}cAs{hawk16is ubuntu the best choice you think?05:27
ironwolfdaniels: it's just rising here. :)05:27
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stvndaniels: while on the subject, how to enable 3D support, I enabled RenderAccel, but ET still complains that there's no hardware GL05:27
Gwildorerr last post to daniel05:27
mikeironwolf: ok, thanks05:27
ironwolfhawk: I think so yes. :)  but I'm biased.05:27
}cAs{hawk16plus its not mainstream05:27
}cAs{hawk16which is good05:27
}cAs{hawk16because mainstream is targetted more (even though linux in a whole isn't mainstream)05:28
eruinisn't renderaccel an nvidia-only feature ?05:28
ironwolfhawk: www.distrowatch.com .... it's more mainstream than you think.  Check the popularity ratings.05:28
CardinalSindoes anybody know if the php4_imap package is coming to a Repository near us soon?05:28
NivlemHello all...05:28
danielsstvn: on which card, sorry?05:29
}cAs{hawk16do you suggest of anything i should dl when i install ubuntu, or does it come with all the neccessties (i know i need drivers and such)05:29
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danielsGwildor: for 9600, you will need fglrx, but for the 7000, just the normal drivers will work fine05:29
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stvndaniels: sorry, radeon 9200SE05:29
danielseruin: no, the ati drivers in x.org do render accel also05:29
KeithWeisshardoes ubuntu use the older version of the debian installer than debian testing05:29
danielsstvn: weird.  if you open a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com and post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I can take a look at it05:30
KeithWeisshari get a red screen that says no network card found05:30
Gwildordaniels, kk, 1 morew question, i got like 4k+ fps in xfree, now in xorg i get like 2.5k, in glxgears that is05:30
stvndaniels: ok05:30
ironwolfphp4-imap isn't in hoary universe atm... no clue on when it will be.05:30
Gwildordaniels, any idea why?05:30
eruinokay, but the builtin drivers won't do 3d, I assume05:30
danielsGwildor: no idea, sorry05:30
Gwildordaniels, kk, thnx05:30
danielseruin: they will, just not for 9550 and above05:30
ironwolfCardinalSin: no clue when it's coming... I assume it's building. :/05:31
raphaWhat is it with archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu? Am I the only one for whom it does not work?05:31
NivlemAnyone know where I can get information on figuring out how to mount my firewire drive partitions under Warty? /dev/sdb05:31
ironwolfhawk: you'll be surprised at what you won't need.  I think gstreamer0.8-mad is useful, but other than that it's fully funcitonal.05:31
danielsrapha: worksforme05:31
KeithWeisshardoes ubuntu use an older version of the debian installer than debian sarge installer rc205:31
raphadaniels: Reroutes me to www.pool.ntp.org where there is no /ubuntu directory...05:32
KamionKeithWeisshar: in warty, yes05:32
KamionKeithWeisshar: seeing as warty was released considerably earlier than rc205:32
}cAs{hawk16Is ubuntu in need of a forum community or anything, i gota load of hosting laying around05:32
KamionKeithWeisshar: are you using the hoary installer?05:32
ironwolfrapha: works for me, whatcha trying to get/do?05:33
KeithWeisshari'm using warty05:33
KeithWeissharthe warty cd05:33
KamionKeithWeisshar: what network card?05:33
raphaironwolf: Well, first I tried updating my package list, then when that didn't work I tried going there with a web browser.05:33
ironwolfKamion: hoary has an installer?05:33
KamionKeithWeisshar: can you send that information plus the output of 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices' in a bug report, please?05:34
Kamionironwolf: yes05:34
KeithWeisshari'ts an isa card05:34
KamionKeithWeisshar: oh, hmm05:34
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KeithWeissharthe newer debian installer asks which card to load the driver for05:34
KeithWeissharthe newer debian install from debian sarge asks which nic to use05:35
KamionKeithWeisshar: that's probably not so much a matter of newness as the fact that we run at a higher debconf priority to reduce the number of questions.05:35
KamionKeithWeisshar: try booting in expert mode, see what you get05:35
KeithWeissharthe installer that comes with ubuntu just gives a red screen with a back or continue button05:36
Kamionyes, very likely a bug I didn't catch, sorry05:36
Kamiontry expert mode05:36
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KeithWeissharalso in the partitioning option, the only option is to erase entire disk or manually edit partition, the new sarge installer gives the option to automatically partition free space05:37
KitoQI upgraded to Hoary and after a reboot it says: http://www.pain-calls-attention.com/ext/xorg-error.gif   Error activating XKB-Configuration05:37
KamionKeithWeisshar: I've already put that option back in Hoary05:38
KeithWeissharis there an iso for hoary05:38
KamionKeithWeisshar: there was some ... debate between me and my boss about what the partitioner options should look like in warty :)05:38
Kamionyes, but I don't recommend it just yet05:38
TreenaksKitoQ: it lists 2 commands to run.. could you run those and paste the output to www.pastebin.com?05:38
KitoQTreenaks ok05:39
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KitoQTreenaks: here u got it: http://www.pastebin.com/12336905:40
KeithWeissharwhich sarge installer is the ubuntu installer based on05:41
TreenaksKitoQ: hm, it shouldn't be trying to override the config, and still it complains..05:41
TreenaksKitoQ: try selecting your keyboard in the gnome keyboard selector again05:41
KitoQI tried it05:41
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ironwolfKamion: does hoary have in install-cd then that's ready for testing?05:41
KitoQTreenaks: I tried it, but the error comes again and again05:41
TreenaksKitoQ: weird05:41
TreenaksI'd poke daniels :)05:41
Treenakshe's teh xorg master dude05:42
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Treenaksdaniels: xorg master dude.05:42
Treenaksdaniels: KitoQ kas keyboard problems with xorg: http://www.pastebin.com/12336905:43
danielsKitoQ: could you please run dpkg -l xlibs xserver-xorg, and paste the two lines starting with 'ii' in here?05:43
KitoQeh Thx Treenaks05:43
danielsTreenaks: yah, just checked that out, thanks dude05:43
xf_daniels: geez, you're up late too05:43
KitoQdaniels: ok05:43
danielsxf_: 4:43pm?05:43
xf_3:13am here05:43
xf_oh, you're not in melbourne?05:43
Treenaks17:43 here :)05:44
jordixf_: heh05:44
KitoQdaniels: http://www.pastebin.com/12337205:44
danielsxf_: nah, London05:44
xf_ah, why there?05:44
danielsxf_: *shrug*, just random Ubuntu hacking05:44
NivlemSomeone tell me other than multiverse, universe, restricted,main what other repositories for Warty?05:44
xf_cool :)05:44
danielsKitoQ: bizzare!  could you please dump your /var/log/Xorg.0.log there, also?05:44
KitoQdaniels: I'll do so05:45
danielsKitoQ: rad05:45
danielsxf_: aye :) how're you?05:45
KitoQdaniels: have fun: http://www.pastebin.com/12337305:46
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stvnTreenaks: que?05:48
deFrysksinterklaas ?05:48
TreenaksdeFrysk: well, the other spain thing ;)05:48
stvnah that's next week already?05:49
Treenaksmy plane leaves on saturday 4 december05:49
stvnTreenaks: one day later and it might have been filled with naughty boys ;)05:50
danielsKitoQ: w ... e ... i ... r ... d ...05:50
KitoQdaniels: u got it05:50
danielsKitoQ: what happens if you run the GNOME keyboard tool, and just change something and change it back?05:50
danielsKitoQ: so you've got all the same settings, but then hit apply and then log out and back in again05:50
Treenaksit has nothing to do with:05:50
KitoQsame error occures many times05:50
Treenaks(**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off"05:50
Treenaks(**) Generic Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled05:50
stvnin glxinfo does: "direct rendering: No" mean that there's no hardware accelaration?05:50
KitoQdaniels: same error occures many times05:50
danielsKitoQ: hmm05:51
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pisukestvn, yep05:51
stvnpisuke: ta05:51
danielsTreenaks: nope, XKB is really verbose these days, so if there was a problem, you'd get a few lines about being unable to load the compiled keymap05:51
danielsstvn: yes05:51
pisukeshould be yes for DRI working05:51
KitoQI thinks its getting a reinstall thing :)05:52
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danielsKitoQ: that's bizzare05:52
danielsstvn: heh05:52
danielsstvn: if you want to file a bug on xserver-xorg at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com and assign it to daniel.stone@canonical.com, attaching /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I'll take a look at it05:52
stvndaniels: I did, but filed it under xorg instead of xserver-xorg05:53
KitoQdaniels: I attract bizzare things05:53
stvnlooks like dri is disabled05:53
stvn(EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.05:53
danielsstvn: sure05:53
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danielsstvn: oh, right05:55
danielsstvn: rmmod fglrx && modprobe radeon05:55
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stvndaniels: good point, moment05:57
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stvndaniels: that did it :D05:59
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aim1159hi all06:00
aim1159are there any russians here?06:00
danielsstvn: rockin'06:00
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laurensaim1159: i'm not russian but i speak some russian06:01
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stvndaniels: closed the bug (4113)06:01
aim1159laurens: I whant to talk with somebody about russian support in ubuntu06:02
aim1159it's ugly!06:02
aim1159for some reason the locale set default to iso-8859-506:02
aim1159but the default russian in all unixes is koi8-r06:02
aim1159then... X-Chat does not have support of koi8-r06:02
aim1159only window$-125106:03
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laurenshaven't checked it out yet06:03
housetierwould utf-8 work?06:03
housetier <- supposed to be Russion, I don't know06:03
housetierlooks cyrillic to me though :)06:04
Gwildorall greek to me06:04
darkersatanichousetier: Looks good from here.06:04
darkersatanicT, R, Ya, M06:04
aim1159housetier: utf-8 of cause works06:05
housetierthis is how it looks here06:05
aim1159housetier: i can't see utf-8 since i'm on the koi8-r terminal06:05
aim1159and don't have a utf-8 locales at all06:05
housetieryou can generate it :)06:06
Gwildori like your desktop06:06
LifesizeKenDollhousetier: you do realize that Russian uses the Cyrillic alphabet, right?06:06
raphaaim1159: If I right remember, Ubuntu wanted to fully switch to UTF-8 beginning with Hoary06:06
aim1159what I whant to figure out is the ubuntu positioning as a distio for novice and it would be better to have default locale koi8-r for russians06:06
housetierLifesizeKenDoll I am sure it does06:06
LifesizeKenDollhousetier: alright06:06
aim1159rapha: whell... at least it should have both utf-8 and koi8-r locales for russian language selected since MANY russians use koi8-r on unixes06:07
raphahousetier: could you write some cyrillic again?06:07
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raphaaim1159: "many russians use" doesn't sound as if _those_ russians are novice computer users.06:08
housetierrapha  is about all I can write because I have an auto-replace for it06:08
raphaAh cool06:08
raphaThis time I could see it.06:08
housetierI was told it means "hi"06:08
ivarq: has anyone got multiple monitors enabled on a laptop ?06:08
aim1159rapha: whell... all russians use koi8-r at IRC. or win-1251.06:08
raphanever heard that.06:09
raphaOr Dobra Dan06:09
aim1159rapha: ir's just a default.06:09
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raphaBut "trjam"06:09
sleondaniels, when are you planning to integrate unichrome driver into Xorg?06:09
sleondaniels, is there anything done in this direktion?06:09
raphaaim1159: So why would UTF-8 not work as a default? housetier and I have set our charsets to UTF-8 and we can exchange cyrillic characters just fine.06:09
danielssleon: sometime that's after today and before a month from now06:10
sleondaniels, are there anyone working on this issue?06:10
danielssleon: i've just finished a major hack and slash through both the ati and nvidia drivers, but have kernel work to finish off beforehand06:10
danielssleon: just me, but it will get done soon enough06:10
sleondaniels, can i help?06:10
sleondaniels, i have some linux experience06:10
sleondaniels, if i will do it it will be mostly quick and evryone will benefit from it :)06:11
aim1159rapha: I know this. but all documentation for unixes in russian is point to use koi8-r. and the novice read those docs. at least the must be a faq notice for russians to make 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after install to add koi8-r support06:11
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aim1159the second question -- where did koi8-r gone in X-Chat?06:11
deFryskeruin, it work fine ;)06:11
danielssleon: you can have a shot if you want, try downloading our xorg source package, but it's rather hairy and unfriendly, I'm afraid06:11
aim1159I'm sure it has this in default package06:12
sleondaniels, i have 4 years linux behind me06:12
eruindeFrysk: I just heard someone had trouble starting it after todays update06:12
eruinhere's hoping ;)06:12
housetier[18:12:15] Charset changed to: koi8-r06:12
raphaaim1159: I just checked and I do have KOI8-R in xchat.06:12
housetierits there06:12
sleondaniels, tryed a lots of things, integrated it once already06:12
deFryskeruin, ooh06:12
sleondaniels, but how to get your patched xorg?06:12
danielssleon: well, if you can throw me debian/patches/000_stolen_from_unichrome_via_driver.diff, I'll happily integrate it06:12
danielssleon: apt-get source xorg06:12
eruindeFrysk: probably a bad move when I *need* it to work to finish off my semester paper :)06:13
sleondaniels, the other problem is : we need also kernel patch for via_drm06:13
danielssleon: fun06:13
sleondaniels, who is responsible for that?06:13
sleonfun hello06:13
rjekIs hoary safe to upgrade to at the moment?06:13
aim1159rapha: do you have koi8-r locale set up?06:13
eruinrjek: define "safe" :P - probably.06:13
aim1159btw, how can I add/suggest a FAQ entry?06:14
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rjekie, will I still be able to a) boot, b) log in, c) web browse and ssh out. :)06:14
NivlemI am trying to ./configure for gnomebaker...it can't find aclocal-1.4, synaptic isn't finding it...what other repositories might it be hiding in?06:14
eruinrjek: well I'm on hoary and can do all those things06:14
Rene_SProbably safer than running Mepis with the xorg package from Hoary slammed into it06:14
aim1159and a package: console-cyrillic?06:14
rjekeruin: Did you update today?06:14
sleondaniels, who is the maintainer of ubuntu kernel?06:14
eruinrjek: last updates just installed06:14
eruinI'll be back :)06:14
deFryskhoary runs nicely on my box :)06:14
rjekHeh :)06:14
raphaaim1159: No, I'm on en_US on this machine and on de_DE on my laptop.06:15
Kamionironwolf: the "Array CD" series is announced regularly on mailing lists06:15
raphaBut I see no problem with switching to KOI8-R.06:15
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raphaMake that ru_RU06:15
ironwolfKamion: thanks.06:16
danielssleon: there's no maintainre for hoary at current, we just fix it as necessary06:16
Kamionaim1159: we don't have that for any language yet06:16
Kamionaim1159: oh, sorry, you said "sarge"06:16
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sleondaniels, a ok06:16
deFryskwb eruin06:17
raphaaim1159: there's even a russian localization package for OpenOffice in Synaptic.06:17
deFryskor is it e-ruined  now ?06:17
sleondaniels, is there any general info for package builders?06:17
eruinty ;)06:17
Treenaksare "hack-sessions" planned in Mataro? I think we could get quite a bit of work done in areas like that..06:17
eruinlast upgrades working just fine06:17
raphaAnd ls /usr/share/locales tells me there's a ru_RU locale.06:17
Kamionaim1159: sarge has "russian" and "russian-desktop" tasks, so I don't know what you mean06:17
KamionTreenaks: I expect rather a lot of the time will be spent hacking06:17
eruincan't wait for gnome-screenshot to arrive again :P06:17
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TreenaksKamion: ok, just to be sure :)06:18
eruinthat error message while playing games in cedega is a tad annoying :)06:18
keknehvHow do I list mounted filesystems?06:18
eruin"mount" ?06:18
Treenakskeknehv: type 'mount'06:18
deFryskmount ?06:18
keknehvlol... I think i'll go and cry in a corner now...06:18
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aim1159Kamion: so I just whant some progs from russian and russian-desctop tasks to be added to upcoming release of ubuntu06:20
aim1159at least vocabulary for ispell/aspell and console-cyrillic06:20
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Kamionaim1159: that's something we're planning to brush up in general for hoary06:21
Kamionaim1159: it's not just Russian06:21
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keknehvif a device (/dev/hdd1) shows up, does that mean it can be mounted?06:22
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deFryskit means it IS mounted ?06:23
keknehvbasically, I'm trying to back up some OLD (400 MB, 1.2GB) fat hard drives06:23
eruinit means it's already mounted, yeah06:23
eruinmount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /media/oldfatdrivex :)06:24
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keknehvI've already done the first one, but when I try to mount the second one (/dev/hdd1) I get an error message06:24
keknehvThat's what I was doing06:24
eruinand the error message is?06:24
keknehvsudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdd1 /mnt/ancient206:24
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keknehvmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,06:24
keknehv       or too many mounted file systems06:24
keknehvsortof annoying06:24
ravenqri just installed ubuntu...but never had a chance to setup a passwd for root? how can I do this?06:25
eruinhmm, try fat instead of vfat06:25
Treenaksdoes /dev/hdd1 exist, does /mnt/ancient2 exist, is /dev/hdd1 vfat?06:25
keknehvuse sudo06:25
danielssleon: not really, sorry06:25
keknehvsudo passwd root06:25
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keknehvAnd when it asks for password, enter your own06:25
eruinravenqr: do you really need to?06:25
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keknehvBTW, how do I enable root Gnome logins?06:25
ravenqrcool thx bro06:25
Treenaksravenqr: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for the reasons that Ubuntu has for not allowing root access by default06:25
stvndaniels: any pointers on tv-out with your radeon_drv module?06:25
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sleondaniels, :)06:26
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Treenakskeknehv: you do NOT want root X logins06:26
keknehvsure thing06:26
keknehvWhy not?06:26
danielsstvn: 'should hopefully work'06:26
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keknehvI can get root console...06:26
stvndaniels: lol06:26
kensaiwhat is negaverse? I've heard of universe and multiverse but not negaverse06:26
keknehvWhy not X?06:26
stvndaniels: I meant, how to enable it ;)06:26
sleondaniels, ok, what is the command to build a xorg package?06:26
Treenakskeknehv: root console is to fix a broken system06:26
Treenakskeknehv: or to update or something06:26
sleondaniels, ok06:26
keknehvAnd to do other stuff06:26
deFryskalso vegaverse for veggies06:26
Treenakskeknehv: there's no such benefit in running an X root sessino06:26
Eon|Anyone knows how can i disable agpgart module? I want to use NVAGP.06:26
kensaideFrysk, that one I have already ;)06:26
keknehvBut what if I want to?06:26
cenerentolaxmms or ... what's your choice?06:27
TreenaksEon|: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto06:27
keknehvThere's no benefit to a lot of crap in apt-get... but you can get it anyways06:27
Treenakskeknehv: you should not want to unless you know how to do it on your own :)06:27
Treenakskeknehv: see it as a fail-safe :)06:27
stvnkeknehv: it's a security hazard to run X as root, besides you can alwyas run specific programs as root if needed06:27
keknehvok... I guess I'll have to look into it then...06:27
eruinkeknehv: gdmsetup06:27
eruinallow root to login06:28
eruinif you really, really must06:28
Treenakseruin: don't spoil the learning experience here06:28
keknehvAlready ruined06:28
deFryskrunning x as root is Not done (exept in lindows/linspire :s)06:28
danielsstvn: it's not working right now?06:28
danielssleon: debuild -us -uc06:28
Treenakskeknehv: Anyway, you probably want to run single programs as root, use gksudo for that :)06:28
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keknehvIs there any (linu||uni)x specific networking protocol?06:29
sleondaniels, i found a readme in debian directory06:29
keknehvI know that linux can do samba, and mac networks, and OS/2 networks...06:29
eruinbah, I remember when my only contact with "root" was on a shell I had for moo... seemed so mysterious and all-powerful back then06:29
TheCanhi. i've chosen "english" in the installer but i want also the german locales available. is there any package i need to install or do i have to regenerate the locales or something?06:29
stvndaniels: I've got a tv connected to tv-out but it doesn't do anything, I assumed I had to set something in linux first, but i'll search for signal on the TV now06:29
eruinlike a computer god06:29
Treenakskeknehv: aren't OS/2 networks the same as samba? :)06:29
keknehvBut does it have its own networking protocols (other than ssh, etc)06:30
keknehvOS/2 uses IPX06:30
Treenaksstvn: uh... signal should be on your TV's SCART IN06:30
keknehvdoesn't it?06:30
Treenaksstvn: aka the "VCR" channel06:30
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Treenaksstvn: unless you have some scary RF thing there06:30
PotajiToi have an nvidia card, with it's drivers installed, now i want to switch to an ati... how can i do that?i mena the drivers... xorg.. and that things06:30
danielssleon: cool06:31
Gwildordont do it06:31
keknehvdon't. ati has very little linux support06:31
danielsPotajiTo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "nv" or "nvidia" to "ati"06:31
TreenaksPotajiTo: you can't run nvidia drivers on an ati card, but it shuold be as easy as just following the HOWTO on the site again06:31
danielsstop trollig, dudes06:31
PotajiTothen i will have to install the ati propietary drivers06:31
PotajiToare they via apt?06:31
Gwildorsorry, want trying to troll06:31
Eon|Treenaks: they dont mention anything about agpgart there?06:32
Gwildoruse ati myself06:32
stvnTreenaks: hm maybe I did the wrong thing (TM) then, I discovered a yellow female plug on the TV and a tv-out2idemplug in the videocard box and decided to connect those two06:32
TreenaksPotajiTo: just follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto  again06:32
cenerentolanow.. that the cream is gathered: what's your audio player?06:32
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cenerentoladont say sth like alpine, kenwood...06:33
eruinmuine / rhythmbox 0.906:33
eruinthe latter for burning06:33
cenerentolaok thank you.06:33
ivarq: is there an easy way to get ubuntu to start in text mode (ie: not use xlogin by default) ?06:33
cenerentolawhat's next? its a poll06:33
melazyboyivar, stop gdm from starting..06:34
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eruincan't you just add a "3" to the grub line or something?06:34
ivarmelazyboy, cool thanks.. i didn't know the name of the app..06:35
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deFryskkillall gdm06:35
aim1159aim1159_: 06:37
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aim1159_aim1159_:   :((((06:37
melazyboynow thats annoying..06:37
deFrysknederlands spreken mensen06:38
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melazyboyI need to take tempfs out of my kernel tree anyone know where it resides?06:38
housetieraim1159 what does   mean?06:38
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aim1159housetier: i was testing russian. sorry. I didnt mention to type /msg before the string06:39
housetierwell what does it mean? :)06:39
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martinpI've got a question about apt-package management. Since recently I get the message "Depends: libexpat1 but 1.95.6-8 is to be installed" when trying to upgrade packets.06:41
sleonperl: warning: Setting locale failed.06:41
melazyboyw00t got alsa working!06:41
sleonhow to fix that?06:42
sleonperl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:        LANGUAGE = (unset),        LC_ALL = (unset),       LANG = "de_DE.UTF-8"06:42
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housetiermartinp what did you do before "recently"?06:44
}cAs{hawk16ubuntu owns06:44
}cAs{hawk16only good thing about thanksgiving is the food06:46
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}cAs{hawk16it sucks knowing i have to go to my aunts and sit there in front of a bunch of annoying kids06:46
}cAs{hawk16and my laptop is broken06:46
}cAs{hawk16(fried hardrive)06:46
}cAs{hawk16so i cant do nothing06:46
}cAs{hawk16just sit there and wait for food06:46
}cAs{hawk16i hate this holiday06:46
grelli}cAs{hawk16 set them on fire06:47
grellithey're less anoying that way06:47
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hawk16whats the name of that bitorrent client, not bitornado but it uses your browser06:48
PotajiTo.. grelli believe me they aren't06:48
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martinphousetier: i was unsatisfied with the number of packets available06:48
eruinanyone know how to create a textfile containing md5sums of files in a directory? (recursive)06:48
martinpso I borked my apt lists I think06:48
martinpI'm feeling completely guilty.06:48
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hawk16ever format then 10 days later u forgot to back something up and you feel like an asshole?06:49
housetiermartinp I was assuming as much, now paste it to a pastebin, sial.org/pbot for example, so we can investigate and fix it06:49
Rene_SYeah i do that all the time06:49
Gwildorevery time06:49
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martinpUh, do what? I'm completely new to Ubuntu/Debian ...06:50
housetiermartinp well you changed your sources.list didtn you?06:50
Gwildorpaste your sourcelist there, paste the url it gives you here06:50
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martinpyes, though I changed it back06:50
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housetiermartinp did you apt-get update too?06:51
martinpI included some debian stuff as I hoped I'd find things like java or eclipse06:51
martinpyes I did06:51
hawk16whats a good bitorrent client besides bitornado?06:51
kapputuI'm surprised that there is no firefox room here06:51
kenthawk16, azareus06:51
kapputuneed help with firefox ppl06:51
deFryskpatAzureus rules06:51
martinpI think I might have installed some debian packages where I should better not ...06:51
kapputuHow do I get things on the bookmark toolbar ?06:51
housetierkapputu there is a specail bookmarks folder for that06:52
deFryskkapputu, add bookmart --> tooolaaar06:52
deFryskstupid fingers06:52
ljlaneor just drag and drop to the bookmarks toolbar06:52
kentkapputu, you move them there?  Firefox 1.0 lets you do that when you add bookmarks, i think the firefox in Ubuntu only lets you do that in "manage bookmarks" on the menu06:52
stvnTreenaks: heb jij eigenlijk tv-out werkend?06:53
kapputuyep got it06:53
housetiermartinp well that complicates things of course. *I*'d know how to fix it, it'll be very difficult for you though06:53
hawk16they should put .isos on sourceforge06:53
kapputuI think when you add a bookmark, you store it in the bookmarks toolbar folder06:53
kapputuit does that by default in IE but not in ubuntu06:54
hawk16IE is only good on my operatign system :)06:54
hawk16it sucks on everything else06:54
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hawk16like xp etc...06:54
deFryskis there a moderator here ?06:54
eruinIE has a borked box model. It's not good for anything.06:54
deFryskall those bad words06:55
housetiermartinp are you up to a private conversation?06:55
martinpIs it something like the ubuntu packages depend on the ubuntu-libexpat and I accidentally installed the debian one?06:55
housetierit might be a rather lengthy one...06:55
kentdeFrysk, what bad words?06:55
deFryskXp IE and more....06:55
hawk16I have windows server 2003 installed rightg now (im getting second hardrive for linux, dont bash me) and IE has a lot more secruity on it06:56
deFryskanother one06:56
housetierI don't care about windows in #ubuntu06:56
hawk16i know06:57
deFryskIE = a spywaresucker06:57
hawk16is anywhere here using xchat?06:57
housetierhawk16 almost all in #xchat are06:57
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caliHow do I set the domainname in ubuntu?07:01
Eon|Anyone knows how can i disable agpgart module? I want to use NVAGP.07:01
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Gwildoranyone have any luck with a Intel pro 2200bg wireess lan card??07:02
Gwildorwhat WM you use?07:02
gwakcali: computer->system configuration->networking [general[07:02
Gwildoroops wrong xhat07:02
FluFloEon|, the nvidia module has an option to choose the AGP07:03
caligwak: thx, I will try this07:04
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kentIs ubuntu able to burn dvd's on a default installation or do I need to install another package to be able to do that?07:05
imanewbie__does anyone here uses pascal and kdeveloper?07:05
gwakare may people here running HoaryHedgehog?07:05
cenerentolagwildor: your media player choice is?07:05
eruingwak: probably most of us07:05
Gwildoridk, rythmbox for music, totem for movies07:06
gwakeruin: great -- i will try upgrading tomorrow at work07:06
eruincenerentola: same here07:06
kentgwak, im not. (well, i run it in vmware just to se how it comes up.. )07:06
Gwildori run hoary, gwak07:06
ravenqranybody in here installed quake3 w/out a chroot?07:06
sleoni run horrory07:06
PotajiTocan I manage a ubuntu pc from a windows one? like virtual desktop or something07:07
Rene_SI like amarok for music and kaffeine for movies07:07
Rene_SNo, I just make em work in Gnome07:07
kentPotajiTo, you can always log in via ssh :)07:07
caligwak: do you know what does the grafical network-config tool, I mean which text file das it change?07:07
kentcali /etc/network/*07:08
cenerentolathx... does rythmbox play streams?07:08
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Gwildoridk, dont listemn to them, but ithink it comes with a list already,07:08
hawk16having 1gb of ram is the shit07:08
sleoncenerentola, yes, but crashes a lot07:08
Gwildorcenerentola, that was to you07:08
sleoncenerentola, use better streamtuner for that07:08
sleoncenerentola, it is very good07:09
cenerentolastream tuner... is not a player...07:09
sleonit is only for playing shoutcast streams07:09
calikent: I do not find an option for dnsname in /etc/network/*07:09
kentcali, dns is in /etc/resolv.conf07:09
sleonapt-get install streamtuner07:09
cenerentolano... it needs an external player... afaik07:09
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sleoncenerentola, yes, but it works bettter then rhytmbox07:09
cenerentolasleon: i already usite07:09
cenerentolasleon : ...use it07:10
cenerentolasleon: i need a player actually..07:10
gwakkent: also /etc/resolv.conf07:10
calikent: the dnsname for my local box is in /etc/resolv.conf?07:10
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gwakkent: these settings can be  overridden by dhcp i think07:11
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imanewbie__does apt-get has an search option?07:11
imanewbie__I need to install free pascal07:11
Kamionapt-cache search07:12
gwakapt-cache search <regex term>07:12
PotajiTohum imanewbie__ apt-cache search package07:12
califor kerberos I have to set a dnsname, where could I do that07:12
kentcali, hmm, do you mean the name in /etc/hostname?07:12
ogra /msg NickServ identify ogra ogra07:12
cenerentolahi ogra07:12
imanewbie__root@isengard:/home/imanewbie # apt-cache search fpc07:12
sleonogra, now you need to change the password07:12
imanewbie__srecord - Manipulate EPROM load files07:12
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ograsilly me07:12
ograhi all07:12
calikent: no07:12
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ogramy name is ogra07:13
cenerentolahi.. mine is oliver07:13
gwakmy name is gwak and i am a ...... ;-] 07:13
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sleonogra, HRHRHR07:14
sleonogra, :DDDDDDDDDDD07:14
sleonogra, :p07:14
imanewbie__I need kdeveloper to use gpc instead o fpc =/07:15
Phr0stByteimanewbie__: try Anjuta07:16
imanewbie__Phr0stByte: too buggy07:16
Phr0stByteimanewbie__: Works wonderfully for me07:16
sleonimanewbie__, eclipse?07:17
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gwakPhr0stByte: yea i 2nd eclipse07:17
Phr0stByteimanewbie__: eclipse is also nice07:17
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imanewbie__sleon: I got kdevelop running I just need to iscover how to set the compiler path07:18
sleonimanewbie__, a ok07:18
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sleonimanewbie__,  i fought you need to switch :D07:18
sleonimanewbie__, then ask not here but by #kdevelop07:18
Gwildoranyone have anylike with centrino wireless07:20
Gwildorany luck*07:20
gwakyea ipw2100 on a ibm X3107:20
Gwildorgwak,what did it take to get it working?07:20
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tyranoipw2200 on asus m68Ne07:21
ograGwildor: lots of ppl .... execpt cenerentola i guess07:21
Tomcat_Anybody have any information on SVHS out connectors and Linux?07:21
Gwildor2200bg is the chip in question07:21
imanewbie__no one there knows07:21
tyranoi just bought the cd in ;O07:21
RubenVhow does the ipw2200bg behave?07:21
ogracenerentola: or does it work now ?07:21
tyranobought = put :|07:21
RubenVis it a good chipset?07:21
Gwildoris it eay in ubuntu, or does it take some configuring07:21
gwakGwildor: a  kernel patch for ACPI -- and latest ipw2100 driver -- but it worked out of the box -- just no suspend support07:21
RubenV(does it work wel on long range)07:22
RubenVi'm thinking of buying one07:22
RubenVmini pci07:22
GwildorRubenV, idk a friend ahs it07:22
tyranoi would rather have an orinoco gold card with external antenna, but it works just fine07:22
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Gwildorgwak, it works out of the box, but with no suspend, and you did the kernal patch, and drivers to get suspend?07:22
gwaki find the newer laptops mac/pc with the ant built into the display is far better then any pcmcia card07:23
RubenVgwak: true07:23
gwakGwildor: yep -- the iwp2100/2200 dev's (intel) are very active07:24
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Gwildorgwac, kk, a friend of  mine is having a hard time geting to work with FC3, but i think he may switch to ubntu07:24
KeithWeissharhow do i manually configure the isa nic in ubuntu07:24
gwakGwildo: i have random x11 corruption once and a while w/ S3 (suspend to ram i think) which i can fix by then suspending to disk07:24
KeithWeissharit's currently not working after installation07:25
ograKeithWeisshar: what kind of card is it ?07:25
KeithWeissharthere is no manual configuration of the nic in ubuntu installer as there is in the original debian rc2 installer07:25
KeithWeissharit's a 3c509b isa07:25
tyranosuspend to ram is a bitch a as it is :|07:25
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ograKeithWeisshar: could you try: lsmod |grep 3c50907:26
gwaktyrano: yea it sucks when im sitting in a metting w/ people w/ apple/ms laptops and they see my screen corrupted07:26
ograKeithWeisshar: in a terminal....07:26
KeithWeisshari didn't get a prompt to select the nic during install07:27
TheCanany way i can get APM apart from compiling my own kernek?07:27
gwakTheCan: in ubuntu no07:27
KamionKeithWeisshar: switch to tty2, modprobe the thing you need?07:27
ograKeithWeisshar: you shouldnt....normally its autodetected07:27
KamionKeithWeisshar: did you try expert mode, like I suggested?07:27
KeithWeissharonly the original sarge installer had a list of nics during install07:27
TheCanyes in ubuntu :D07:27
ograTheCan: add a line reading apm07:28
ograTheCan: to /etc/modules07:28
gwakTheCan: maybe i do see the apm mod ules07:28
KamionKeithWeisshar: in response to your earlier question about what version of the sarge installer ours is based on, it's not possible to give an answer to that; debian-installer is made up of lots of packages, and we merge them gradually and semi-independently07:28
KeithWeissharis there a command in terminal to configure the nic manually07:28
TheCanumm but doesnt the kernel have acpi compiled in by default?07:28
KamionKeithWeisshar: warty is roughly somewhere around rc1 with some later bits07:28
KamionKeithWeisshar: modprobe <whatever-module-you-need>07:29
ograKeithWeisshar: sudo modprobe 3c50907:29
Kamionogra: no sudo07:29
ograKamion: ??07:29
Kamionogra: *installer*07:29
ograKamion: ahh, i see....your domain.....i'll keep silent then :)07:29
Kamionogra: oh, unless he's talking about after the install, in which case you're correct07:30
ograKamion: yep  ;)07:30
KamionI can't tell because I think he's ignoring my questions :(07:30
KeithWeissharthe sarge rc2 installer had an option to manually configure the nic card07:30
KamionKeithWeisshar: are you reading what I'm saying?07:30
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ograKeithWeisshar: this is not sarge....07:30
KeithWeissharafter the install07:30
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KeithWeissharhow do i load 3c509b each time i boot07:30
Kamionadd it to /etc/modules07:31
ograKeithWeisshar: sudo gedit /etc/modules07:31
ograKeithWeisshar: add the line: 3c50907:31
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KeithWeissharshould the sound card be configured with alsaconf07:32
KeithWeissharit's an isa onboard sound07:33
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KeithWeissharthe aptiva is 6 years old07:33
ograKeithWeisshar: it should also work out of the box, but isa is always a prob....07:33
KeithWeissharit has amd k6-2/300 with 128mb07:33
ograKeithWeisshar: do you know the chipset of the soundcard ?07:33
KeithWeissharcrystal cs423507:34
ravenqris there a way that I can use apt-get to fetch all *-dev packages??07:34
ravenqrin one command07:34
KeithWeissharis ubuntu only good for pci devices07:34
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kentKeithWeisshar, i think he/she mean that its a problem for linux, not just ubuntu.07:35
ograkent: he, thanks....07:35
KeithWeissharwhy does linux have detection problems with isa devices07:35
KeithWeissharit can't autodetect isa devices07:36
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ograkent: but as ubuntu aims to get it all working out of the box, i see it as a bug until it works ;)07:36
KeithWeisshardo i need to replace the pc07:36
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belihi there...what's special about ubuntu? what's "new" or "different" to other distributions of linux?07:36
KeithWeissharwith more pci slots and no isa support07:36
bob2ravenqr: you can't do that, they conflict07:37
bob2beli: www.ubuntulinux.org07:37
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gwakTheCan: i think inorder to disable ACPI and enable APM you will need to pass params to grub something like apm=on07:37
melazyboyHas the issue with fglrx and xorg been resolved yet?07:38
ograKeithWeisshar: try: sudo modprobe snd-cs423607:38
gwakTheCan: not sure what the arg is to disable acpi07:38
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ogragwak: acpi=off07:38
gwakorga: cheers ;-] 07:38
ograTheCan: but you dont need that07:39
ograTheCan: at least i dont need it on any amp box07:39
ograTheCan: just adding the module should be enough07:39
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KamionKeithWeisshar: there's support for isa devices, but it's not well-tested, largely because not many of the developers have any any more07:40
KamionKeithWeisshar: it's probably a relatively small change to fix your case though07:40
KamionKeithWeisshar: which is why I asked if you could please file a bug so it ends up on my to-do list07:40
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gwakOrga: just curious if there is any conflict having APM and ACPI running in the kerenl at the same time ?07:41
cyberdrekdaniels, I'm now onto ubuntu unstable with Xorg. Would you be able to tell me how to get Xinerama working. I configured xorg.conf the same way I did with XFree86 but no Xinerama. :(07:41
TheCanogra, i think i'll try then a custom kernel maybe..07:41
Kamiongwak: you can only use one or the other07:41
danielscyberdrek: i'm not sure, sorry.  never used it myself.07:42
ogragwak: if there is no acpi interface detected, it just deactivates itself07:42
TheCanogra, for disabling acpi it's just ACPI=off07:42
ograTheCan: yep, but lower case07:42
cyberdrekdaniels, okydoky.. Thank you.07:42
danielscyberdrek: no worries07:42
TheCanwell i have an acpi interface in my machine07:43
TheCanbut for example battery status doesnt work with it :/07:43
ograTheCan: sony laptop ?07:43
TheCanogra, ibm07:43
ograTheCan: same here with an ancient sony...but apm works well07:43
TheCanogra, acpi works for me in NetBSD on it...but standby and hibernation also dont work there in acpi07:44
TheCanso i think APM is really better for it..07:44
gwakTheCan: how old is your IBM ?07:44
TheCangwak, about 4-5 years - a thinkpad T20 (first of the t-series)07:45
TheCani normally i dont use linux, but vpnc makes a lot of trouble in netbsd so i wanted to try it in linux to try to find the problem with it07:45
gwakTheCan:have you tried the ibm-acpi module? http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/07:46
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TheCanis it in universe or something?07:46
ravenqrhow come i cannot find the cdrdao in apt-get??07:46
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m00sehi is there some way to fix galeon in hoary?07:46
gwakTheCan: apt-cache search ibm-acpi (not in warty)07:47
bob2m00se: "fix"?07:47
bob2ravenqr: it's in universe07:47
m00sebob2, galeon: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:47
ograhmm, ibm-apci is now also available in the recent mm-kernel v2.6.10-rc1-mm107:48
ograno chance ...07:48
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bob2m00se: do you have whatever package created that installed?07:49
ravenqrbob2: i have universe in my apt-sources07:49
ravenqrit's weird07:49
ravenqris it a diff package name?07:50
bob2cdrdao - Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs07:50
m00sebob2, i think yesterday's upgrade removed libnautilus.so.207:50
ograravenqr: sudo apt-get update ?07:50
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m00sehowever i see now that simple ln -s libnautilus-private.so.2 libnautilus.so.2 fixes this situation07:50
bob2ew, ew, ew07:50
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MikeGTNlibnautilus and libnautilus-private are not the same thing at all07:52
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m00seMikeGTN, maybe they aren't but nautilus doesn't seem to notice the difference07:53
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bob2until it randomly crashes07:53
m00sebob2, sure :)07:54
m00seOTOH i wonder what galeon needs libnautilus for07:55
TheCanbtw, is there anything one can do against ugly qt-fonts?07:55
m00seTheCan, ugly?07:55
bob2use beautiful gtk-fonts07:55
ograTheCan: uninstall qt ?07:55
TheCanogra, i dont have it installed. i just installed opera-qt-static binary07:57
TheCanand it looks ugly07:57
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m00seTheCan, install qt3-qtconfig and use it to change default qt font07:57
TheCanand i remember from a previous installation on a different machine that everything with QT in gnome looked ugly07:57
TheCanm00se, thx07:57
m00seby default qt uses bitmap fonts, make it use TTFs07:57
ograTheCan: thats normal, but m00se seems to know the solution07:57
m00sei had this problem with skype07:58
TheCanm00se, ah cool....i'll look into this07:58
TheCanogra, yes :)07:58
bob2qt doesn't use fonctconfig yet?07:58
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m00sebob it does07:59
bob2so why is it using a bitmap font by default?08:00
bob2by default ubuntu doesn't even make bitmap fonts available to fontconfig08:00
m00sehisterical raisins i guess08:00
bob2it can't even access bitmap fonts via fontconfig08:00
m00sebob2, i had bitmap fonts in qt apps in debian08:01
m00sethen i changes qtconfig and copied i t to ubuntu08:01
m00seso i don't know what fonts qt apps use in ubuntu by default08:01
bob2hm, it at least links against fontconfig08:01
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TheCanm00se, you changed this with qtconfig? i cant find an appropiate option there08:02
tolstoygnome-panel is broken in hoary, right?08:02
bob2works for me08:02
melazyboyDoes anyone have the links to a tutorial to getting fglrx to work with xorg?08:02
bob2it may be buggy in some way, but it's not "broken"08:02
ravenqrhmm cannot find mplayer in apt-get08:02
bob2ravenqr: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats08:02
tolstoybtw, after i update a lot, is logging out and back in (if I have gdm running) good enough to "reset" things?08:02
melazyboyare the people that get it to work using apt-get to get the drivers or the ati web site (which says the driver isn't even compatable with 2.6 nevermind xorg)08:02
m00seTheCan, second tab is fonts08:02
TheCanm00se, yes08:03
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m00sei can select non ugly fonts there08:03
TheCanfamily for example is "helvetica" there08:03
m00sei have family bitstream vera sans08:04
TheCanbut the sample text there looks ok..08:04
TheCanreally strange08:04
TheCanwell i'll try using "yours" :)08:04
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m00sebob2, you're right, i don't have helvetica in qtconfig font selector08:06
m00sebut i had in debian :)08:06
PotajiTo.. tolstoy it happens to me when i updated some things about gtk08:06
cyberdrekDoes anybody have a Xinerama(2 screens, one big desktop) enabled xorg.conf that works?08:06
PotajiToi needed to update gdm as well08:06
bob2cyberdrek: try asking on the list08:06
cyberdrekbob2, what list?08:06
bob2cyberdrek: the user list in the topic08:07
cyberdrekbob2, cool thanks08:07
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TheCanm00se, still looks ugly :/08:09
mjrcyberdrek, you mentioned that you were using the vesa driver; I don't think that works with multihead08:10
TheCanhelvetica is also missing there now..08:10
tolstoyPotajiTo, are you saying my hosed gnome-panel should be okay if I just (shudder) reboot?08:10
TheCanmaybe i need to install something more08:10
Matt|tolstoy, maybe just killall gnome-panel?08:11
PotajiTooh sorry I missunderstand you, i thought that wou had problems to log on gmd08:11
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tolstoyMatt|, did that.  gnome-panel seems remarkably able to maintain its broken state. :)  I can't even bring up a properties dlg.  The virtual screens widget works, though.08:12
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Matt|tolstoy, panel properties?08:12
Matt|fine here08:12
tolstoyMatt|, right.08:13
tolstoyMatt|, okay. Hm.  I just wonder if something didn't get restarted.08:14
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Matt|tolstoy, have you restarted X?08:14
tolstoyMatt|, I logged out (which send me to the graphical login screen), then back.  That was a question for me: does that really restart X?08:15
genhey guys when i do "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" then attempt to load the nvidia drivers says x is still running, eh?08:15
Matt|tolstoy, nope08:15
Matt|tolstoy, at gdm do a ctrl del08:15
tolstoyMatt|, okay, i'll do the gdm stop thing instead.  oh, okay.08:15
Matt|ctl al del08:15
Matt|ctrl alt backspace08:15
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ograMatt|: no autoagression here please08:16
Matt|hi oggy08:16
melazyboyhow woudl one go about extracting an rpm file on debian when you dont have rpm2tgz?08:16
Matt|gen, i don't udnerstand the question08:16
genwhy not?08:16
Matt|melazyboy, there is no need surely?08:16
Kamionmelazyboy: rpm2cpio08:16
ogramelazyboy: should be handled by file-roller08:16
geni'm following the instructions on the ubuntu wiki to install nvidia drivers08:17
melazyboyMatt|: There is a need, ati drivers.08:17
genbut x is supposedly still running, how to get directly to terminal without x session?08:17
Kamionor use alien08:17
Matt|melazyboy, you cant get a debian version?08:17
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Matt|gen, stopping gdm should work08:18
melazyboyMatt|: Can't apt-get because the packager wrongly listed xfree as a dependency, and it works with xorg just requires a slight bit of tinkering.08:18
gendrivers say x is still running matt|08:18
Matt|gen, you talk to your drivers?08:18
genstop being a smartass08:18
Matt|melazyboy, ok try alien perhaps08:18
Matt|gen, just kidding08:18
Matt|gen, what happens exactly?08:19
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genok odd, when i try to load gdm "/etc/init.d/gdm start" says fail08:19
melazyboyogra: Fileroller doesn't open rpms08:19
zenwhenI wish the ubuntu devs would release a step by step on how they put together the liveCD.08:19
zenwhenthat would be rockin.08:20
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ogramelazyboy: no ? oh, i thought i read it in a changelog somewhere.....08:20
tolstoyMatt|, a reboot solved the prob.08:20
genso i assume no one knows how to help me?08:20
TrotskiI believe the Gnoppix dudes made the live CD ... basing it on Morphix ... or some such08:21
tolstoyMatt|, i think maybe it's because I had several days worth of updates without restarting X and something got out of whack.08:21
Matt|tolstoy, i had the same problem the other day when updating: restarting x did the trick08:21
tolstoyMatt|, probably some errant daemon.08:21
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ogra__daniel: nahmt08:24
melazyboyanyone know the cpio syntax to extract all files in an archive?08:25
crimsuna rpm archive?08:25
melazyboyrpm2cpio file.rpm | cpio -<whatgoeshere>08:26
__danielhai ogra08:26
melazyboycrimsun: But yes, if you know a different way i would be more than happy to use it08:27
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cyberdrekmjr, actually, xorg is set to ati.08:28
ogramelazyboy: just tried it, works fine with file-roller here08:29
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melazyboyYou got an rpm to open with fileroller?08:29
ogramelazyboy: yep, no prob08:30
melazyboyIm using 2.9.0 and no joy08:30
melazyboyWhen i click the rpm and go open, it takes me to a directory listing of . int he viewer08:30
ogramelazyboy: 2.8.2 here on warty08:30
melazyboyand in the help files rpm isn't listed08:30
bob2what are you doing with rpms?08:30
ogramelazyboy: doubleclick the .08:30
melazyboybob2 extracting the ati drivrs08:30
bob2erm, aren't they packaged already?08:31
melazyboyogra: Omfg what kind of stupid idea is that.. . is supposed to be a symlink to the current directory08:31
melazyboybob2: Not for Xorg.08:31
ogramelazyboy: but not in a package that gets installed with rpm from /08:31
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danielspeople, please test a new linux-restricted-modules (madwifi, nvidia, and fglrx) for i386 and amd6408:32
CharbaxHello cannot mount CD on my AMD64 gn95g508:32
danielsi386: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/08:32
Kamionmelazyboy: IIRC cpio -id is usually OK08:32
Charbaxit loads CD in beginning fine, I enter language but then doesn't mount CD08:32
ogradaniels: great !!08:32
danielsamd64: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/amd64/08:32
danielsall the drivers in there have been updated08:32
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danielsthese may cause you errors, so it's best if you're familiar with ubuntu, but all the testing I can get is appreciated08:33
danielsseems to work alright here with madwifi, but I own no nVidia hardware, and my ATI cards are on the other side of the world, in a machine that's both turned off and unplugged08:33
cyberdrekmelazyboy, rpm2cpio <filename>.rpm | cpio -i --make-directories08:33
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ogradaniels: ppc ?08:34
danielsogra: nope, it's just nvidia/ati/madwifi/acx100 binary drivers; nvidia is i386/amd64, the other three are i386-only08:34
ogradaniels: ah, ok....08:35
melazyboycyberdrek: got it thanks though08:35
bob2heh, my desktop is still on at home08:35
danielsogra: l-r-m is just the binary modules, but if you want to test the open source nvidia/radeon drivers for powerpc, that'd be much apprecaited08:35
cyberdrekmelazyboy, no prob08:35
CharbaxPlease help.. "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted.. but I loaded fine in the beginning from the cd.. and I tried burning a new CD at 4 speed.. I installed Windows fine with same dvd-burner drive08:35
Charbax"Try again to mount the CD-rom? Yes/No"08:35
melazyboydaniels: You packaged the ati drivers for xorg?08:35
ogradaniels: i wil switch my card on the weekend in my hoary box for you :)08:35
melazyboydaniels: I can try it now if you answer yes =D08:36
danielsmelazyboy: i have an updated (open source) radeon driver for xorg (not fglrx), and i have an updated fglrx for xfree8608:36
sleonmelazyboy, yes08:36
danielsstill no binary driver for xorg08:36
danielsogra: cool, thakns :)08:36
sleoni am still building the crappy X08:37
danielsit takes a long time08:37
ograsleon: building ??08:37
sleondaniels, do i need it for modules?08:37
danielsour fastest amd64 build daemon would take like 45min for a full build08:37
danielssleon: yes08:37
danielssleon: debuild -us -uc -B can save you some time08:37
danielsbut it's a very long process08:37
melazyboydaniels: shit i got to go, thanksgiving, ill get back to you tonight -- message me on aim melazyboy if you want me to run some tests later, im using ati radeon 9800, i dont know how the open source drivers compete with fglrx =/08:37
sleondaniels, not a problem08:37
danielsit's a 'hack on other stuff while you wait' progress08:37
RubenVdaniels: 45 minutes for X?08:37
RubenVthat's quite long08:38
danielsmelazyboy: they won't give you 3D for your card08:38
danielsRubenV: that's on the dual 2.4GHz AMD64, which is far and away the fastest machine we have08:38
RubenVi recall my (32bit) gentoo do it in the same time08:38
danielsRubenV: not quite as fast on my 1.2GHz Pentium M laptop ...08:38
RubenVand that was a single cpu08:38
danielsRubenV: yes, but we do a number of things to our build08:38
danielssuch as, say, build it twice08:38
RubenVaah, bootstrap alike things08:38
melazyboydaniels: Ah thats no joy for me, they have fglrx working on xorg now anyway you just need to add one line to your xorg.conf, could package the fglrx with a sed/perl script to do that08:38
danielsRubenV: not really, just a normal server and a debug server08:39
danielsRubenV: plus lots of checks and moving stuff around and whatnot; it's *significantly* more complicated than the gentoo build process08:39
RubenVshould investigate deb autobuilding more08:39
RubenVsounds pretty interesting08:39
danielsmelazyboy: interesting -- URL?08:39
melazyboydaniels: One sec joing room with other box08:40
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petergreenbonsoir a tous08:40
danielsmelazyboy: cool08:40
petergreeninstallation hier soir sur ibm T42 le reve tout ok + maj en 1h08:41
CharbaxI got sata harddrive, just before I tried to install windows went fine... But both Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu stop at the beginning of the install.. They both cannot find the CD drive or something, but they both read from it fine as they both ask for language and so on until it starts copying more files to be installed08:42
Agrajagisn't there supposed to be something about the topic about english-only in here?08:42
seb128petergreen: bien bien :) (et #ubuntu-fr pour le franais)08:42
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danielsfabbione: if you could test l-r-m (it has two patches from thomas zander), that would be great, thanks08:43
petergreensorry i write english now08:44
AgrajagCharbax: The CD drive is juat plain IDE right?08:44
ograAgrajag: a line or two do no harm :)08:44
cenerentolahi there... what can cause "/usr/bin/pumount" (Permission denied)?08:44
seb128cenerentola: user not in the plugdev group ?08:44
bob2cenerentola: is / mounted nosuid?08:45
CharbaxAgrajag Yes!08:45
cenerentolaseb128, bob2 many thx08:45
Charbaxbut my harddrive is SATA, I dunno if that bothers the install08:46
AgrajagCharbax: where is it connected, primary master?08:46
petergreenbttorrent where i  catch the package libwxgtk2.3-python ?08:46
AgrajagHave you tried moving it to the other channel?08:46
CharbaxI think secondary master08:46
Charbaxbecause there is no IDA harddrive, only one SATA08:46
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AgrajagCharbax: well yeah, then it would probably be on primary, is why I asked. I don't know if that would somehow cause problems08:46
AgrajagBut I would think both FC3 and Ubuntu would recognize SATA drives08:47
CharbaxCool idea! I should try another channel.. even though the cables in this SFF pc are kindof fixed, I'll try put the CD-ROM on primary master and see if it helps08:47
Agrajagthey're both new, and SATA drives have been around long enough08:47
CharbaxI have shuttle SN95G508:47
Agrajagwell, give it a try, good luck08:47
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NewComeranyone got giFToxic working?08:48
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NewComerdid configure giftd yet giFToxic starts with no errors but doesn't connect to any of specified networks08:49
cyberdrekNewComer, works fine for me.08:49
ograNewComer: roter/firewall ?08:49
cyberdrekNewComer, it's your giftd that needs some help.08:49
NewComerogra, yeah, but had no problems with archlinux08:50
genWhy is it that when i reboot with "id:3:initdefault:" in /etc/inittab i still go into X08:50
cyberdrekNewComer, what networks are you using?08:50
crimsungen: because Debian doesn't muck with runlevels08:50
genso how would i fix it08:50
crimsungen: 2-5 are identical08:50
NewComerfasttrack, gnutella08:50
cyberdrekogra, it's not that. I know the issues, just finished dealing with them.08:50
genso how would i go about isntalling my nvidia drivers then08:50
cyberdrekNewComer, do you use OpenFT as well?08:50
genx can't be running08:50
crimsungen: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop08:50
NewComercyberdrek, yeah08:50
ogracrimsun: will be reverted on next update.....better remove the symlink manually08:51
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NewComercyberdrek, sould i remove OpenFT?08:52
crimsunogra: eh? he just wants to stop gdm [and thus kill X]  to install the nvidia drivers08:52
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melazyboyalright daniels =D08:52
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NewComerooh, it connected to OpenFT now08:52
melazyboy2http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/243287 for the fix to the video problem08:52
ogracrimsun: oh, i didnt read this....but you dont need to stop X for that08:52
cyberdrekNewComer, all right, the thing is the files with the hosts in them aren't good anymore. In your /home/user/.giFT/network, you have files that contain hosts. They all have to be replaced.08:52
melazyboy2http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-21368.html for the basic install08:52
sirfredIs there any x program using libxcomposite?08:53
NewComercyberdrek, i'm now connected to OpenFT08:53
melazyboyAnd with that im leaving good luck08:53
__danielsirfred:  apt-cache rdepends <package>08:53
melazyboymessage any im network 'melazyboy' ill be on later, ill keep gaim up for now08:53
sirfred__daniel: Interesting. Thanks.08:53
ogracrimsun: just restarting it with ctrl-alt-backspace from gdm screen afterwards is enough :)08:53
cyberdrekNewComer, replace network by Gnutellaor FastTrack. Gnutella was a bitch to find on the net and so was fasttrack for that matter. I could send you those text files.08:54
crimsunogra: the Nvidia installer/Debian method of compiling nvidia.ko checks for the existence of a X lockfile, so that won't work.08:54
ogracrimsun: compiling ????08:54
ogracrimsun: there is a package08:54
crimsunogra: sure, but gen didn't specify that. I assumed (blindly) that he was compiling.08:55
NewComercyberdrek, can't find the fasttrack gift plugin in the repos08:55
CharbaxAgrajag changed to primary master for the dvd drive but didn't help.. after I choose languages it says cannot mount CD08:55
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cyberdrekNewComer, they should be there. but that's not important. I'll send you the replacements in a minute.08:56
NewComercyberdrek, sorry , i hit abort by mistak08:59
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cyberdrekNewComer, the tar.gz contains files separated in 2 folders. just copy the files from the gnutella folder to /home/user/.giFT/Gnutella and the files in fasttrack in /home/user/.giFT/FastTrack and you should be set.09:00
NewComercyberdrek, many thanks09:01
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cyberdrekNewComer, restart giftd afterwards and you should be set. It takes a little time for the networks to connect the first time but once they set their lists up, it should work fine. :)09:01
ograpetergreen: a slash in front helps :)09:01
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sanitarioHi! Is there a way that I can change what options my automatically mounted drives get? Like, I don't want to mount my usb-drive with utf8 as charset09:04
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ogramvo_: ish customer ???09:08
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mvo_ogra: yep09:09
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mvo_good? bad?09:09
ogramvo_: hehe....i built the setup cd09:09
ogramvo_: the one for win09:09
__danielogra: now you can build an addition linux CD :-)09:09
ogramvo_: i work there.....09:09
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mvo_ogra: ahh, sounds cool. I have to admit that I never used the setup-cd :P09:10
KeithWeissharwhy do i get command not found when i try to run sudo alsaconf09:10
KeithWeisshari need to configure my isa sound chip09:10
ogra__daniel: not anymore....expert settopboxes now, remember09:10
KeithWeissharubuntu loads alsa on bootup09:10
KeithWeissharbut there is no alsaconf09:10
__danielogra: that's what the ":-)" was for :-)09:10
ogramvo_: great ! so you never used windows with ish.....how do you like the cable ?09:11
KeithWeissharubuntu only has alsa-ctl and alsa-mixer09:11
mvo_ogra: it works pretty well09:11
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mvo_I had a bit of trouble with wireless at first but I can hardly blame ish for that :)09:12
mvo_how come that you use dsl if you work for ish :P ?09:12
sirfredtotem-gstreamer seems not to work yet.09:12
ogramvo_: fine...i saw your screenshot on the planet..... really great ui work !09:12
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ogramvo_: no cable in the eifel :(09:12
__danielmvo_: no ish in blankenheim yet :-)09:12
mvo_ogra: where is blankenheim :) ?09:13
ograsirfred: for what ?09:13
speelhey how do you install metacity themes?09:13
ogramvo_: near nuerburgring......behind euskirchen09:13
sirfredogra: For example listening music, the goom visual effects don't show .09:13
mvo_ogra: ahh, I know this area09:13
imiin what cases do i need an scsi support kernel? an old laptop from around 96 should be okay w/o scsi support, right?09:13
sirfredogra: The music files didn't have a properties dedicated tab.09:14
imiscsi is only cdburner (?)09:14
sirfredogra: I have not a video file here, but I think it will be the same.09:14
ograsirfred: rather use rhythmbox for music.....09:14
sirfredogra: I use beep media player, but that's a workaround.09:14
ograsirfred: the "music player" from the menu in meant....09:15
sirfredI wonder why gpdf is unable to shows a lot of pdf files that xpdf shows fine.09:15
sirfredJust a blank page, no error, no nothing.09:15
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ograsirfred: its a bug...shall be solved in the next version09:15
sirfredogra: Hoary?09:16
ograsirfred: thats why warty has xpdf as default09:16
ograsirfred: i think so09:16
NewComercyberdrek, doesn't seem to work09:16
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sirfredogra: I'm on Hoary, expecting these things to be resolved. :)09:16
ograsirfred: havent tried gpdf yet09:16
Eon|How can i get agpgart module not to load at boot. I want to use nvagp.09:16
ograsirfred: yep, me too.....in april09:16
sirfredogra: Well, xpdf is fine but it looks horrible.09:16
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ograsirfred: true, but works09:17
sirfredogra: :)09:17
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genafter installing my nvidia drivers, and coming back into x, i get this when attempting to load glx gears - "Segmentation fault"09:17
genwhat would cause that09:17
edmondHi, I have a WinTv (Primo FM) card, which has created two video dev nodes (video0/1), but further than that no application is able to read from it. Any ideas of things to try?09:17
ogragen: you didnt use the ubuntu package ?09:17
Iblunsomebody knows a gnome program that allow me to edit files on ftp directly ?09:18
genogra, they didn't work correctly09:18
ogragen: on warty ?09:18
sanitariogah, my usb-drive is behaving really weird.09:18
ogragen: i386 ?09:18
geni get no errors on boot, and i have changed modules to nvidia instead of "nv"09:19
ogragen: try this repo: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i38609:19
edmondlblun: gftp is good, nautilus ftp support is worth trying, nice when it works09:19
danielsogra: close09:19
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danielsgen: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/09:19
danielsthe trailing / is important09:19
danielsgen: beware that it may TOTALLY BREAK09:19
ograouch....cpoy n paste trap09:19
danielsgen: it's testing material09:19
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edmondAnyone got any experience with tv cards09:20
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ogragen: but probably better than doing it yourself....what seems to break either....09:20
Iblunedmond: hmm ok but with gftp i open only an temporary file and edit it ...09:21
geni get segmentation fault on like anything actually09:21
genjust noticed09:21
edmondlblun: Yeah, for quick edits none of it is that great09:21
gennothing loading09:21
edmondlblun: I thought gftp attempted that functionality though09:21
sgarrityhaving some trouble with the Ubuntu Live CD on my laptop - anyone interested in helping me out?09:21
Iblunedmond: it seems not ...09:21
genfirefox and xchat and stuff like thatopens09:21
ogragen: so rather help daniels testing :) your chances are better there i guess09:22
edmondlblun: I'm off. I don't think the tv card will ever serve me :(09:22
Iblunedmond: i was trying tha nva editor ... but it dont like my php files really ...09:22
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sgarrityLive CD on a ThinkPad T30 runs through the boot process, a friendly Ubuntu background/progress bar comes up, the progress bar goes all the way, then the system reboots. Any ideas?09:24
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xukunI,m was downloading the live cd on one of my remote pc using ssh, but I rebooted my local pc during the download, is there a way to check if its still downloading it, or how far its?09:28
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xukunI was..09:28
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giannicolahi i don't know how to install java plugins09:29
__danielxukun: wget -c file will resume the download09:30
ogragiannicola: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java09:30
__danielxukun: and md5sum bla.iso will tell you the md5sum of the iso09:30
ogragiannicola: i'd suggest method 209:30
__danielxukun: you just have to compare it with the md5sum on the net09:30
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giannicolabut can I do it from synaptic?09:31
ogragiannicola: with method 1, yes...09:31
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giannicolaso in synaptic which item do i have to install?09:32
xukun__daniel: thanks09:34
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__danielxukun: anytime09:35
ogragiannicola: look for j2re or j2sdk09:36
sleongiannicola, have you got the j2re file?09:36
ogragiannicola: you followed the wiki page ?09:37
giannicolaneither the j2sdk09:37
ogragiannicola: did you hit refresh in synaptic ?09:37
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ogragiannicola: and added the repository as described before ?09:38
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giannicolaone moment09:39
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giannicolai've found j2re09:39
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giannicolanow i'm installing09:40
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giannicolabut the terminal window doesn't close!!! i've read the whole license but...09:42
vancheese lo09:42
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stvngiannicola: tried q?09:43
giannicolahey but it doesn' works...09:44
giannicolaif i go on a web site...nothing appears!09:44
stvngiannicola: about:plugins in your browser adress bar09:45
IrcownikCan you halp me? When I am instaling or booting live ubuntu I lose my keyboard connection. My keyboard is death. In live version mouse is ok, end all working, but keyboard no :-(. Can you give me some suggestions? (Sorry about my English :-)09:45
sleongiannicola, no porn?09:45
giannicolachat on a site09:45
stvngiannicola: see if it says anything about java09:45
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willgiannicola: i think you need to make a link to the firefox dir for libjavaplugin_oji.so09:46
giannicolayes i've installed j2re09:46
ogragiannicola: type: about:plugins      in the url field09:46
stvnwill: it shoudl be done automagically09:46
sleonmaybe he/she needs to restart firefox09:46
ograstvn: did you use the blackdown packages ? is this sure ?09:47
willstvn: did not on mine, but then i used blackdown i think09:47
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stvnogra: erm, no i don't think i used blackdown09:48
ograstvn: me neither, so nobody knows .....09:48
willokay blackdown puts the plugin into mozilla-firebird which is A BIT OUTDATED!!!09:49
stvnah ok09:49
ograwill: lol09:49
willthat is j2re1.409:50
stvntsks open source software, bunch of outdated codemonkeys ;)09:50
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ograwill: 1.4 is outdated too09:50
will1.4.1.99rc1-2 be careful with that version09:50
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netmonkHello! I stoped the update with ntp.ubuntulinux.org with "sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/*ntpdate", how can I start it again?09:50
gen_eh im still getting segmentation faults after nvidia drivers09:50
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sleonnetmonk, why not sudo rm -rf / to stop it?09:51
gen_glxgears give me Segmentation fault after installing nvidia drivers09:51
__danielgen_: strace <your crashing command>09:51
stvnnetmonk: add the symlink again09:51
__danielsleon: *GRRRRR*09:51
ograsleon: eh09:51
netmonkstvn, how do i do that?09:51
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gen___daniel: crashing command?09:52
__danielnetmonk: DONT!!!09:52
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__danielnetmonk: /etc/init.d/ntpdate start09:52
ograstvn: never again please09:52
netmonk__daniel, my clock keeps on being late09:52
__danielgen_: the thing that segfaults09:52
__danielnetmonk: maybe a bad cmos battery09:52
ograstvn: oops i meant sleon09:52
gen___daniel, do you want to see what it says?09:52
stvnnetmonk: ogra ah09:53
stvnnetmonk: sorry my symlink comment was bulls*it09:53
__danielgen_: no... i won't be any help, but it could you and those guys maintaining it an idea of whats happening09:53
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netmonkok, stvn, ;)09:54
stvnnetmonk: I think you need to reinstall ntpdate09:54
__danielsleon: don't suggest such an asshole crap again, you don't know if anyone doesnt type it for real09:54
stvnnetmonk: btw the clock being late has nothing to do with ntpdate prolly09:54
sleon__daniel, ok09:54
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stvnnetmonk: I have a similar problem with this pc i'm installing on, IIRC the solution was to switch of apci or something like that09:54
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netmonkstvn, what is ntp.update doing?09:55
stvnnetmonk: keep the clock at the right time09:56
__danielnetmonk: retrieving the exact time over the net and setting it on your box09:56
netmonkaha, i though so09:56
Aigle_Salut ,y a t il des french09:56
stvnnetmonk: it synchronises the clock within milisecs with the international correct atomic turbo clock-thingy09:56
ograAigle_: #ubuntu-fr perhaps09:56
Aigle_thanks ogra09:57
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stvnis there any change a audio-cd-burner program will be installed at default in hoary?10:01
__danielstvn: mrburns really should be included in hoary10:01
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ogra__daniel: thanks.....but first i have to rewrite it in python :)10:02
stvn__daniel: should as in I think it ought to be or as in is going to happen unless10:02
mjrstvn, hopefully Rhythmbox will have audio cd burning by then10:02
stvnogra: get currying ;)10:03
stvnmjr: ah I saw someone make a reference to RBs audio burning capabilities today10:03
stvncouldn't see it in my RB though ;(10:03
mjrstvn, in the devel version10:04
stvnmjr: ah ok, but that's not yet in hoary?10:04
mjrprobably not10:04
mjrI don't really know10:04
mjrmmh, mrburns looks nice too10:05
stvnmrburns uses libburn?10:05
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ogramjr: thanks....for some ppl it actually works10:05
ograstvn: nope, its a really bad and quick written perl frontend to mp3burn10:06
ograstvn: but if it works with your burning device....its an easy audio burning app10:06
willits not in hoary yet10:06
stvnwill check it out when I need to burn audio10:07
ograwill: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/10:07
willstvn have you tried gnomebaker?10:08
ograwill: does it do audio ?10:08
stvnI use k3b lately10:08
stvnand nautilus-cd-burner10:08
willits very good, but u have to build from source..and i have not got round to it yet10:08
TheCanwhat do i need to do to be able to get this "java-package"?10:08
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stvnTheCan: there's a page on the wiki explaining how to install java10:09
TheCanyes it tells to fetch java-package10:09
stvnah ok10:10
stvnTheCan: sudo apt-get install java-package10:10
TheCanbut i don't find it, do i need to add something to the sources?10:10
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ograTheCan: its in uni- or multiverse10:10
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TheCanah in multiverse10:10
TheCani'll try this :)10:10
TheCan(just got universe)10:10
TheCanah cool :)10:11
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stvnis it possible in warty to get a splash screen that hides the usual list of programs that start before gdm?10:13
TheCanpropably if you use this splash with grub?10:14
raphastvn: bootsplash.de10:14
raphaOr .org10:14
willis it safe to use orphaner? does anyone use it regulary?10:14
raphaBut .de has the newer patches10:14
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raphastvn: And the latest version of SWSusp2 for 2.6.9 has the latest version of bootsplash included, this is what I recommend.10:15
ograstvn: it is planned for hoary in another way: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash10:15
stvnogra: that I know, but it's for the computer i'm installing now and give to my sister next week ;)10:16
ograstvn: so you have to recompile the kernel :)10:16
stvnrapha: hm, bootsplash is probably the best option, don't want to mess too much10:16
willanyone here remove orphaned packages with no problem?10:16
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raphastvn: I'm using bootsplash for my girlfriends computer, too, and she's never complained about "the cute penguin".10:18
stvnrapha: heh10:18
TheCanrapha, :D10:18
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stvnthe startup messages wouldn't be much of a preoblem if not for the two FATAL ERRORs that appear during booting - they look kinda scary ;)10:19
raphabtw, where can you download a reiserfs 4 patch for 2.6.9?10:19
raphastvn: In that case put "console=/dev/null CONSOLE=/dev/null" into GRUBs config file10:20
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stvnrapha: not sure if 3 minutes of a black screen is more promising ;)10:20
raphaTHREE MINUTES!??10:21
stvnrapha: staring at a black screen makes time seem slower ;)10:21
raphaWell, then amend /etc/init.d/rcS so that its first line says "clear > /dev/tty1; echo Please stand by while the system is booting > /dev/tty1"10:21
stvnrapha: it probably is under a minute before gdm starts10:21
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raphaWas just gonna say. 3 minutes is even longer than my 233MHz notebook takes for booting Ubuntu10:22
puslingwhere can I read about main vs universe vs multiverse vs restricted ?10:22
ograpusling: on the wiki10:23
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_axelhi, im trying to access a really crappy digital cam under ubuntu, gphoto2 detects it and i can take pics etc and manipulate them with gtkam but only if i do it as root... is there any group i must add myself or whatever to be able to access my cam without sudo?10:23
__daniel_axel: maybe group video? *shrug*10:24
_axelim already in video10:24
_axeli think it must be usb-related10:24
puslingwhat device is your cam? /dev/something?10:25
__daniel_axel: look at the ownership of the device file10:25
_axelhmm, and what would that be10:25
_axeli have no usbxxx in /dev10:25
puslingunplug camera, plug in camera, tail var/log/syslog10:26
ogra_axel: it will be a sdX or sgX10:26
_axelogra: nope, the cam doesnt use usb mass storage thing10:26
_axelits older than that10:26
_axelusb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 310:27
_axelohci_hcd 0000:00:03.0: wakeup10:27
_axelusb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 410:27
ograjupoh ?10:28
ograoops, wrong win10:29
willwhat is the method to set up the bootsplash in ubuntu?10:29
ograwill: you have to patch and recompile the kernel....10:30
_axelsigh, i hate this permissions foo with my cam... /me bangs head against monitor10:30
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ogra_axel: look in the device manager..... there normally is a line for the /dev10:31
_axelah yes10:32
_axelforgot about this hal thingy10:32
willogra: oh jez is it the description as on www.bootsplash.org?10:33
ograwill: i think so...else wait until april..... its on the list for hoary10:34
willogra: yeah saw that, i think i will wait10:35
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_axelogra: k, i see DIGITAL CAMERA listed as a device but there is (uknown) in the 'device' field10:36
ogra_axel: is there a block.device field in the details ?10:36
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_axelogra: nope10:37
epodHey folks, I'm having an audio issue with Ubuntu... if my music is playing, I can't use any other audio source, it just crashes badly.10:37
puslinghow big is an ubuntu warty mirror with main, restricted, universe, multiverse ?10:37
epodlike, totem just tells me it can't play... can linux only have one program making sound at once, or somehting?10:38
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ogra_axel: hmm, so its probably a gtkam thing....10:39
kentepod, it sounds like a bug. I have several programs doing audio at once.10:39
_axelogra: nope, its a gphoto2 thing10:39
epodkent: Hm, okay.  Just totem, maybe?  Can you try running rythmbox and totem at the same time and let me know if it works for you?10:39
ogra_axel: thats what i meant....10:40
_axelogra: it works all fine as root.. simply barfs when trying as non-privileged user10:40
puslingdoes ubuntu uses grub or lilo?10:40
epodpusling, grub10:40
ogra_axel: i dont know the exact way gphoto2 works..... i always had usb-storage capable deviaces....10:41
epodDoes anyone know of any open source tools for resizing my NTFS parition so I can dual-boot ubuntu?10:41
kentepod, i can try. But rhythmbox is kind of slow on my computer, i have a very large archive of music. But wait a second.10:41
willanyone using hoary here?10:41
epodkent: Thank you :)10:42
ograepod: what version of ubutnu are you using ?10:42
epodogra: warty10:42
ograepod: up to date or RC ?10:42
mirakhow often is the async cash flushed ?10:42
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epodogra, I want to move my PC to being all Linux, but it needs to 'just work' for my GF to be willing to deal with it.10:42
mirakby the kernel10:42
epodogra, um, up to date as far as usuing synpatic to get updates10:43
willon hoary who uses hoary-updates ?10:43
ograepod: the RC had some issues in this area10:43
kentepod, i can play music in both rhythmbox and totem at the same time.10:43
epodogra, is there a new ISO I ought to d/l?10:43
epodkent: hm.. weird.  The livecd crashed all over me when I tried.  Is there a newer livecd I can d/l?10:43
epodor install ISO, if I can find a program to resize my windows partition10:44
ograepod: the realease cam out on 20th Oct, if you have a older CD there ....10:44
kentepod, dont know about that the livecd, cant you use partition magic to resize the ntfs?  I dont think there is a free program that does ntfs :(10:44
epodogra, I am not sure when I downloaded the ISO I have, I will re-dl it from ubuntulinux.org10:44
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epodkent: I don't have a copy of that, and finding a store that sold something like that here would be impossible (I live in a small town.  Here, you buy software at Wal-Mart.)10:45
ograepod: probably the best idea to not fiddle around with solving the old RC bugs :)10:45
_MacGyver_good evening10:45
epodogra, lol yeah10:45
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_MacGyver_someone using dri from cvs ? after typing "make-dri-x86" i get following error msg: /bin/sh: compiler: no such file or directory10:46
siretarthi folks. I consider to rebuild my kernel according to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto. But I wonder if I will need to rebuild the restricted modules image. Do I need to do this? How would I do that?10:46
kentepod,  *cough* get it from the internet,  i here its possible to download stuff for free  ;)10:46
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epodkent: Ohhh.  lol10:47
_axeli did strace and i found that the permissions error seems to happen when accessing /proc/bus/usb/001/00410:47
ograsiretart: if its not described there i woudl guess no10:47
epodstupid ipod.  I hate this thing.10:48
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kentepod, as for being able to run Ubuntu without problems,  for me i've never had a problem (though i never had any with Fedora either). If you can keep away from running unstable things, i dont see any reason to doubt the stability of Ubuntu.10:52
epodkent: Hmm, okay.  One other thing, are you running totem-gstreamer, or totem-xine?10:53
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kentepod, totem-xine and the w32codecs (from universe).10:55
epodkent: Hm, okay.  Then I guess maybe the livecd just has old versions10:56
kentepod, I dont know if totem-gstreamer will use those codecs but i know totem-xine does. I never checked it becaus it was so easy to install totem-xine  :)10:56
epodI shall hav eto try again.10:56
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epodso I can have say, xmms playing, and totem, and both making noise, in theory... wonder why it said the device was in use with the livecd.   Blah.10:56
kentepod, ubuntu comes with totem-gstreamer in default. I installed totem-xine after the installation.10:56
epodI had ubuntu on my laptop for a while, I did the same10:57
epodtotem was doing odd things, though, audio-wise, but it may have been my system.  If i'd pause a video, unpausing it would cause it to crash, etc.  Bad mojo, lol10:57
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kentepod,  i might be wrong but i think totem with the gstreamer backend is kind of buggy.10:59
epoduhh, one last thing.  When I run partitionmagic, and install ubuntu, will it automatically set up dual-boot for windows?10:59
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ograepod: yup11:00
siretarthuh? no kernel-tree- in warty? or are my sources.list wrong?11:01
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epodcan anyone tell me if xscrabble is in synaptic?11:02
ograsiretart: you look for linux-source-
eimHello folks, I was just wondering if the package "linuxlogo" available in Universe may ship also an "Ubuntu-Logo" for the CLI?11:02
siretartogra: ok, then https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto  is wrong :)11:03
ograepod: i see scrabble11:03
ograepod: but no xscrabble11:03
epodogra: yeah, scrabble is the commandline one.. I will have to compile it from source, unless I can get the windows gamehouse scrabble to work in wine..11:04
ograsiretart: i didnt try it....11:04
ograsiretart: but there was a 2.9 kernel image announced on the mailing list with suspend enabled11:05
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siretartogra: I think I also read about that, but I lost the email :/11:06
imihow do i copy an install cd? do i have to create the image first?11:06
cyberdrekimi, just do a cd copy.11:07
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imii'll try11:08
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cyberdrekimi, I mean your cd burning program should be able to do cd copies.11:08
imithe problem is that i'm trying a laptop install. and the laptop doesnt like 900mb cds so i wanna copy the whole thing to a 700mb one11:08
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epodI wish ubuntu did en-ca11:09
epodI get annoyed at having en-us .. grr11:09
Matt|hoary: anyone got totem working?11:09
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stvnMatt|: you mean in haory=11:10
stvn-window 211:10
stvn-window shrink 611:10
Matt|sorry don't understand that11:10
stvnew I hate this keymap11:10
Matt|totem is crashing in hoary on my system11:10
Matt|matt@kallisto:~ $ totem11:11
Matt|(totem:8972): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib11:11
Matt|(totem:8972): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers11:11
Matt|** (totem:8972): WARNING **: Couldn't find themed icon for "panel-screenshot"11:11
Matt|(gnome_segv:8984): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib11:11
Matt|(gnome_segv:8984): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers11:11
cyberdrekimi: how did you manage to get a 900 mb CD? that's kind of weird. I wasn't aware that there were 900Mb CDs.11:11
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imi800mb 90min... sorry cyberdrek11:11
stvnMatt|: totem/gstreamer or totem/xine=11:11
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Matt|the former i suppose11:12
Matt|just totem11:12
stvnMatt|: ah ok, I have totem-kine and no problems there11:12
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cyberdrekimi, Oh ok... :) The thing is, if you try to simply do a cd copy, it will try to copy the cd as is. What you'd need to do is redownload the iso or do a net install, if that's possible.11:13
Matt|stvn, ok11:13
imii'm redownloading the iso11:13
imii'm trying to install vector on an old laptop11:13
cyberdrekimi, that's the best solution.11:14
ograMatt|: looks like it is relaying on the screenshot app11:14
imii'm pleased to see gnomebaker 0.2 btw11:14
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Matt|ogra, yeah maybe11:14
cyberdrekimi, vector linux? if so, pretty nice distro for a laptop. Ran it on mine. When it was working.:)11:14
thullyDoes anybody know what's wrong with flash in Ubuntu hoary?  I can't hear any sound in flash animations currently - while I hear system sounds just fine.11:15
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Matt|thully, flash in hoary is rather dodgy11:15
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imicyberdrek, it's probably the only way to get a 233mhz 64mb ram laptop working :)11:16
thullyIs there a place to get a better flash deb for hoary?11:16
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Matt|thully, its not the flash deb i don't think. Although I haven't heard of the sound problem before.11:16
Matt|thully, the problem is essentially that they can't debug it because it is closed source11:16
thullyIt worked fine in warty for me11:17
Matt|yeah i know11:17
cyberdrekimi, there are other ways. I had a similar laptop but mine was an AMD 200 something, 64mb, 800x600 max. :( but it did the job for me. I ran Vector and QNX(Momentix)11:18
thullyAlso, HSf linmodem drivers (proprietary from LinuxAnt) are currently having trouble w/sound that doesn't occur in regular debian11:18
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Gmailhehe i got 2 boxes of cds11:18
Gmaili thought i changed my order to 100 cds11:19
Matt|that's a lot of coasters11:19
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GotD0tok somethings seriously wrong... i tried upgrading to hoary, following directions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary to the letter, and when i upgraded i kept getting all these perl locale errors.... and now i cannot even change the locales11:19
thullyHow do you update an existing hoary iso from a week ago to the current version without downloading the whole thing again11:20
Matt|GotD0t, dpkg-reconfigure locales11:20
GotD0tdid that11:20
Gmailerr the 3 naked people are on the cover11:20
GotD0tgives me a locale error Matt|11:20
d33pcan I move from debian to ubuntu, by just changing the source list of apt and dist-upgrading?11:20
ograGotD0t: thats hoary, there is nothing wrong with the wiki11:20
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__danield33p: what debian flavor?11:20
GotD0togra: i never said anything wrong with the wiki... i was just pointing out that so you people can help me11:20
Matt|GotD0t, hmm11:20
cardadorthully: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade11:20
ograGmail: damned, mine are dressed....is it the second season ?11:20
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thullyno - to update the actual CD11:21
d33p__daniel, sid11:21
thullynot the packages on an installed system11:21
cardadorthully: ahh dont have a clue :) maybe with rsync11:21
__danield33p: you will have to change /etc/apt/preferences to downgrade some packages, to get a FULL ubuntu system11:21
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ograd33p: sid -> hoary could work but is not supported i think.... and hoary has issues....11:22
thullyI've tried that - it seems like it wants to download the whole thing again, and this ISO is only a week old (dist-upgrade after installing is only 50-60MB)11:22
__danield33p: and you will encounter one or the other dependency problem, which will work somehow... i did it 2 months ago11:22
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GotD0tany ideas anybody?11:22
d33p__daniel, tell me what I need to change and where is a list of ubuntu repositories?11:22
Matt|GotD0t, ask in #ubuntu-devel maybe.11:22
__danield33p: so if you are experienced with packages and up/downgrades, you'll be fine11:23
ograGotD0t: have you selected a utf-8 locale ?11:23
cyberdrekGotD0t, try to apt-get remove locales and then apt-get install locales11:23
eyalhi, has anybody gotten gnomemeeting to work? everything works, except sound-input. i think it's an alsa-oss-esd problem but i don't know what to do11:23
Gmailone box some cds are broken11:23
GotD0togra: i did... but i cant now11:23
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thullyHas anybody experienced screen corruption in debconf when installing Hoary from a CD snapshot?11:23
__danield33p: google for /etc/apt/preferences and downgrade... i can't really remember11:24
d33p__daniel, sounds risky11:24
ograGotD0t: sudo apt-get install --reinstall locales11:24
__danield33p: better than a reinstall, isnt it? :-)11:24
GotD0togra: it tells me that k3b depends on kcontrol but it is not going to be installed11:24
d33p__daniel, much better if it does work11:24
imicyberdrek, what's momentix?11:25
Matt|nite all11:25
d33pc ya all11:25
GotD0togra: and when i try to install kcontrol it gives me a local error11:25
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ograGotD0t: but it should install anyway11:25
ograGotD0t: even with a broken locale11:25
cyberdrekimi, it's a version of QNX11:25
imicyberdrek, never heard of qnx.11:26
epodpoop, my internet scrabble game died11:27
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epodQNX is an embedded RTOS11:27
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cyberdrekimi, what epod said.11:27
imithat's getting complicated :)11:27
epodwww.qnx.com afaik11:27
Satz_AFKlooks right11:27
cyberdrekimi, no, it's simply an os for embeded components.11:28
epodyou can get it for x8611:28
epodI've run it before, for all of 20 minutes.. they have a free downloadable version11:28
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pusling8.6 gb is the size of an ubuntu mirror11:29
Satz_AFKanyone have any info about the testcd function at bootup?11:29
eyalanybody gnomemeeting to work? alsa is the problem i think.11:29
cyberdrekimi, it's not related to linux so don't bother. I ran it for my job.11:29
Gmailis there a howto make the box for the cd anywhere?11:30
epodGmail, eh?11:30
TheStuffhi all, i caould not find how to switch between keboard layouts11:30
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imicyberdrek, i hope it'll work with a 700mb cd. i'm really eager to install linux on a laptop11:31
Gmailmy one looks wirod11:31
cyberdrekimi, ubuntu fits on a 700mb cd. That's what I used to install on my system.11:32
eyalthestuff: computer->desktop preferences->keyboard->layouts11:32
Gmailbob2: Kamion: mako: ... any of you know howto11:32
eyalor put the 'layout' applet on your panel (rightclick,add-to-panel, search for 'layout')11:32
eyalthestuff: sorry, i meant 'keyboard indicator' applet11:33
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epodargh my LCD has a bad pixel!11:35
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cyberdrekicecrash, plus11:35
TheCanepod, mine had one from the beginning, whats the problem with it?11:35
yammy soundcard (sblive) is correctly detected, /proc/asound seems ok, and /dev/dsp is there... but... cannot play sound... player say /dev/dsp does not exist11:36
epodTheCan, it's just aggrivating, $400 for a 17-inch LCD monitor, and it has a bad pixel11:36
yamany clue?11:36
epodyam: ls -al /dev/dsp11:37
epodis it there?11:37
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TheStuffeyal, i have the other langauge .. but evry time i want to switch i had to make it default .. is there hotkey for that ?11:37
TheCanepod, i paid >600 for my 19" (over a half year ago) and well i can live with it11:37
TheCanone badpixel is really normal..11:38
yamepod: with correct permissions since I belong to audio group11:38
epodTheCan, that's kind of sad.  Apparently 7 have to be bad for me to get to warranty it11:38
epodyam, hm.  Can you play audio as root?11:38
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epodlike, if you sudo xmms or whatever?11:38
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yamhavent tried xmms11:39
yambecause I think is system related... not player dependent11:39
hanoi_pmI'm using Debian sarge, I want to know the advantages of unbuntu **over original Debian**11:39
ograhanoi_pm: its a clean neat system that aims to "just work" and focuses on the usability of the desktop11:41
TheStuffeyal, my issue has been solved .. pressing both alt keys switchs between ur layouts .. thanx bro11:41
hanoi_pmogra: so ubuntu is not for servers?11:41
jdububuntu is definitely for servers11:41
ograhanoi_pm: its for servers as well, but there you use it like a debian....11:42
jdubwe just happen to have a very sexy desktop that tends to get the attention :)11:42
hanoi_pmogra: beside11:42
hanoi_pmogra: beside "just work", what are other advantages11:42
ograhanoi_pm: small footproint11:43
eyalthestuff: great11:43
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hanoi_pmogra: what does it mean11:43
ograhanoi_pm: you get a ful working desktop system with all necessary apps for productivity use on one CD11:44
d-bI love that one cd thing.11:44
hanoi_pmogra: oh great! I see the point now11:44
vrln_I like the security policy (root disabled by default for example)11:44
ograhanoi_pm: indeed also a server install is possible.....11:44
[SPD] RalphNaderroot disabled by default?11:44
vrln_it uses sudo by default11:45
[SPD] RalphNaderoh11:45
[SPD] RalphNaderhow does one enable root then?11:45
vrln_sudo passwd root11:45
ograhanoi_pm: and a big advantage over debian is the user orientation over the policy.... i.e. there is a officially supported nvidia-driver11:45
ogra[SPD] RalphNader: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo11:46
[SPD] RalphNaderahh11:46
ogra[SPD] RalphNader: there is no benefit in enabling root if you use the system tools on the desktop11:46
hanoi_pmogra: thank you very much11:46
d-bAnyone encountered this issue: My default resolution before upgrading the packages in Synaptic was 1024x768, then after I installed and restarted my computer I'm stuck with 640x480.11:47
ograhanoi_pm: try it out, if you know debian you will love it .... is the last point on my list :)11:47
epodd-b: did you edit your xf86config?11:47
yamepod: same problem under root11:48
d-bepod: no. I just left it as is. And i'm wondering what went wrong.11:48
yamepod: either with xmms or any other player11:48
ograyam: do you have system sound ?11:48
yamepod: same error -> /dev/dsp does not exist!11:48
cyberdrekogra, that should've been the first one on your list. :P lol..11:48
epodyam: weird... hm11:48
hanoi_pmogra: I have been using Debian for servers for ages but still Windows XP for desktop, I think it's time to make a dual boot machine11:48
yamogra: what do you mean11:48
ograhanoi_pm: go on....everybody in here will agree its worth it :)11:49
cyberdrekhanoi_pm, in that case, go for ubuntu. :)11:49
ograyam: the event sounds...like the drums if the loginscreen appears11:49
yamogra: no sound at all11:50
vrln_hanoi_pm: ubuntu is a very good desktop choice11:50
hanoi_pmyeah, I was considering original Debian vs ubuntu, after being here for awhile, I think trying ubuntu will be pleasant11:50
d-bIts the best desktop for me.11:50
ograyam: hmm, looks driver related... did you check the volume levels in the mixer app (by right click on the speaker)11:51
[SPD] RalphNaderso I read the 'root/sudo policy'11:51
cyberdrekhanoi_pm, it is. Never had a linux distro as interesting as this one to work with. :)11:51
[SPD] RalphNaderdoes ubuntu not ask you for the root password when you execute a sudo command?11:51
yamogra: volume? file is not being played11:51
yaman error pops up as soon as I open any media file11:51
ograyam: the control.....11:51
vrln_[SPD] RalphNader: it asks you for your user password11:51
cyberdrekhanoi_pm, and I've tried a hell of alot of them.11:51
d-bhanoi_pm: I look at it this way, Debian is Mozilla Suite, and Ubuntu is Firefox.11:51
[SPD] RalphNaderoh really11:51
[SPD] RalphNaderthat's interesting11:51
hanoi_pmthank you everyone :)11:51
vrln_so there's only one password to remember11:51
hanoi_pmDebian uses firefox by default, d-b11:52
[SPD] RalphNadercan any user do sudo then?11:52
cyberdrekhanoi_pm, don't sweat it. :)11:52
yam0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)11:52
ograhanoi_pm: come back if you got any probs :)11:52
vrln_no, the users have to be in the sudoers group11:52
[SPD] RalphNaderahhh11:52
vrln_in order to be able to use sudo11:52
[SPD] RalphNaderthat makes a hell of a lot of sense11:52
vrln_the user account created during install is of course automatically added to sudoers11:52
d-bhanoi_pm: I know. I mean if you were to compare debian with ubuntu. Debian is Mozilla, and Ubuntu is Firefox.11:52
[SPD] RalphNaderright11:52
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hanoi_pmd-b: ah, cool11:53
cyberdrekd-b, hmmm... never saw it that way but true... :)11:53
[SPD] RalphNaderso is all the package management done from cmd-line then?11:53
[SPD] RalphNaderI'm a SuSE user11:53
vrln_d-b: interesting comparison :)11:53
vrln_[SPD] RalphNader: there is a graphical gui for apt too, called synaptic11:53
ograyam: lsmod | grep snd-emu10k111:53
cyberdrek[SPD] RalphNader, no, use synaptic11:53
[SPD] RalphNaderso in YaST you're asked for root everytime you click on system mods11:53
vrln_it's pretty easy to use and works great11:53
[SPD] RalphNaderinteresting stuff11:54
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cyberdrek[SPD] RalphNader, no yast in ubuntu. And I sure as hell hope they don't put it anywhere.11:54
vrln_although I find using the commandline apt-get easier11:54
[SPD] RalphNaderlol11:54
[SPD] RalphNadernot a big fan of YaST either11:54
cyberdrekvrln_, easier than clicking?11:54
vrln_isn't yast being ported to debian btw?11:54
vrln_at least there are some mailing list posts about it (alot actually)11:55
ogravrln_: hopefully never11:55
kensaianyone here has run looking glass on Ubuntu Hoary?11:55
yamogra: it is not a module, its built in11:55
vrln_cyberdrek: yeah, well, it's easier to type apt-get install xmms than to start a gui, find the package and click install :)11:55
TheCandamn i'm so happy vpnc works with ubuntu!11:55
ograyam: built in ??? how that ? did you compile your own kernel ?11:56
cyberdrekvrln_, true, I also prefer the command line but just thought I'd get your opinion on why. :)11:56
Xenguycyberdrek: or even quicker, create 'aliases' like 'agu' and 'agi' ('apt-get update' and 'apt-get install')11:56
JStrikejdub : How is the coaster packages coming along?11:56
[SPD] RalphNaderso, not being familiar with debian or ubuntu11:57
[SPD] RalphNaderhow do I install a package system-wide then?11:57
[SPD] RalphNadersudo apt-get?11:57
cyberdrekXenguy, no, that wouldn't be the same.11:57
ogra[SPD] RalphNader: yep11:57
vrln_sudo apt-get install packagename11:57
[SPD] RalphNadersweet11:57
vrln_it will get all depedencies automatically11:57
vrln_so you won't have to worry about them11:57
Xenguycyberdrek: what wouldn't be the same as what?  :-)11:57
d-bWell, We have Synaptic too.11:57
yamogra: yes of course11:57
[SPD] RalphNaderI don't like worrying about them :)11:58
cyberdrekXenguy, having aliases wouldn't be the same as typing sudo apt-get install packagename11:58
[SPD] RalphNaderanyone installed ximian desktop on ubuntu?11:58
[SPD] RalphNaderwhen I installed it on SuSE, it created over 200 (yes 200) package conflicts11:58
vrln_[SPD] RalphNader: and to get all security updates the only thing you need to do is apt-get update (update apt package database) and apt-get upgrade11:58
ogra[SPD] RalphNader: much nicer is....you never ever have to reinstall if you got a working system and break it...debian dist upgrades "just work"11:58
d-b[SPD] RalphNader: You'll just downgrade it.11:58
TheCandamn just installed ubuntu on my 5gig partition, and already 70% full :p11:58
ogranever break it11:58
Xenguycyberdrek: well I use it on debian every day - I don't expect it's impossible to do on Ubu ;-)11:58
[SPD] RalphNaderwell, I don't want ximian11:59
[SPD] RalphNaderjust curious11:59
[SPD] RalphNaderhow a novell product11:59
[SPD] RalphNaderwould break a novell distro11:59
yamI cannot understand why it says /dev/dsp not found11:59
d-bI like the Ximian OOo though.11:59
ograyam: because you did miss snd-pcm-oss11:59
cyberdrekXenguy, I never said it was impossible, I just said that for me, doing that wouldn't be the same as typing it in full.11:59
vrln_[SPD] RalphNader: ubuntus customized gnome 2.8 is very slick, there's no reason to get ximian gnome :)11:59
cyberdrekwell, diner time, talk to you all later. :)11:59
yamogra: miss? where?11:59

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