[12:00] <ajmitch_> apt-get install build-essential
[12:00] <Nivlem> ajmitch: You talking to me?
[12:00] <__daniel> will_: there you go: apt-get install build-essential
[12:00] <will_> i installed gcc
[12:00] <will_> ages ago
[12:00] <topyli> ajmitch_: i'm impressed, yes. debian provides a good base though
[12:01] <topyli> Nivlem: mandrake has always been like that, and i love it for it :)
[12:02] <Nivlem> topyli: Yeah not too much of a problem...but then I Linux on a dual processor G4 macintosh....maybe I will post some video shots of it compiling sometime..heh
[12:03] <topyli> Nivlem: please do =)
[12:03] <rapha> Hi all!
[12:03] <rapha> Does somebody know what system call is used for rebooting the system?
[12:04] <timello> hi there, Why my keymap not works on my rxvt? In firefox for instance it work fine
[12:04] <__daniel> rapha: system call? you mean   "/sbin/reboot"    ?
[12:04] <timello> idea?
[12:04] <rapha> __daniel: No, as in reboot()
[12:04] <rapha> Kernel system call
[12:05] <__daniel> *shrug*
[12:05] <rapha> nm, thx
[12:05] <kent> rapha, what do you need that for?
[12:06] <will_> humm anyone know anything about libgnomeui-2.0?
[12:06] <will_> cant find it
[12:06] <rapha> kent: I wanna write my own /sbin/init just for fun. It already works, and I'm also catching Ctrl-Alt-Del, but I don't know how to handle it.
[12:07] <kent> will_, libgnomeuimm2.0-dev   its probably that one you lack (if your trying to compile.. )
[12:08] <will_> kent: thats it
[12:08] <kent> will_, sorry, its this one : libgnomeui-dev
[12:08] <kent> will_, the other one is for c++ i think.  :)
[12:08] <will_> kent: thats a lot of dependencies!
[12:08] <mila> hi
[12:10] <topyli> rapha: there's documentation that lists system calls. there's even man pages for the posix calls
[12:10] <rapha> topyli: But for being able to read those manpages you need to know what the respective call is called
[12:10] <topyli> use apropos
[12:11] <mila> i dont really understand with this room i enter
[12:12] <rapha> topyli: That only lists manpages from section 8 when called with halt/reboot/shutdown. That's why I asked here if somebody knew something.
[12:12] <mila> i think i go another room
[12:13] <topyli> rapha: dunno, there's a debian package called man-posix or similar. it might help. not that i know much :)
[12:13] <mila> since nobody any person in here
[12:13] <rapha> Okay, thx topyli
[12:13] <mila> i think only 3person talking
[12:14] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) mila: it ebbs and flows
[12:14] <mila> okey
[12:14] <topyli> mila: i don't know which room you entered but seems like a weird place :)
[12:14] <will_> mila: where are we?
[12:14] <mila> im in here in my country
[12:14] <mila> philippines
[12:14] <topyli> will_: now there's a real question for a change !
[12:15] <will_> mila: do you use linux?
[12:15] <topyli> mila: cool!
[12:15] <mila> no
[12:15] <topyli> hehe
[12:15] <mila> what is lenux
[12:15] <topyli> mila: what brings you to #ubuntu?
[12:15] <will_> mila: download a copy of ubuntu: www.ubuntulinux.org
[12:15] <mila> oh i go there
[12:16] <will_> mila: dont format all at once though!
[12:17] <mila> what is linux can you explain me
[12:17] <mila> please!
[12:17] <will_> um
[12:17] <topyli> it's a free unix system
[12:17] <mila> okey
[12:18] <mila> can i ask you
[12:18] <mila> before i go
[12:18] <topyli> free as in "freedom", and free as in "free of cost"
[12:18] <mila> how many person in here
[12:18] <will_> this room is for support ie if you cant do something / need help with Ubuntu
[12:18] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) will_: or you just like it
[12:18] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) and you want to help people use it
[12:18] <topyli> mila: on this channel there are currently 256 people
[12:18] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) :)
[12:18] <will_> exactly!
[12:19] <mila> but it seem just only few person i think
[12:19] <jdub> mila: some are not awake or at their computers
[12:19] <will_> yes, everything seems like that at the start
[12:19] <topyli> mila: people do other things as well. they're not chatting with us full-time :)
[12:19] <mila> i see
[12:19] <mila> oh
[12:20] <will_> mila: if you want to chat to people, join the room #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:20] <Cloudchaser> i have another question please ;)
[12:20] <mila> okley i like to find some person i talk
[12:20] <mila> i like talking
[12:21] <Cloudchaser> when install apps that ask where to install it...whats the best place?
[12:21] <Cloudchaser>  /opt?
[12:21] <mila> ok
[12:21] <mila> go ahead
[12:21] <badcitizen> Cloudchaser: /usr/local
[12:21] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks..i'm installing realplayer10
[12:21] <Cloudchaser> as sudo
[12:21] <will_> Cloudchaser: you need to use sudo though
[12:21] <topyli> Cloudchaser: rule of thumb. if you compile from source, /usr/local. if you install a binary (like quake or mozilla), then /opt
[12:21] <Cloudchaser> got errors when i tried without it
[12:22] <Cloudchaser> ok i didn't compile it
[12:22] <Cloudchaser> realplayer's got an installer
[12:22] <Cloudchaser> maybe that compiles it..i don't really know for sure
[12:22] <topyli> Cloudchaser: i put realplayer in /opt because i didn't build it myself
[12:23] <topyli> it's a binary package
[12:23] <Cloudchaser> ok thanks ;)
[12:23] <Cloudchaser> i'll follow that advice
[12:23] <mila> okey i had to go now and eat
[12:23] <mila> byeeeeeeee rooms
[12:23] <Cloudchaser> oh now it wants to  know the prefix for syms
[12:24] <topyli> bye mila, get linux soon!
[12:24] <mila> i eat
[12:24] <Cloudchaser> i used the default /usr
[12:24] <mila> yes laTER
[12:24] <Cloudchaser> take care mila
[12:24] <mila> im so hungry
[12:24] <topyli> Cloudchaser: it's ok, they're just links
[12:24] <Cloudchaser> i really like ubuntu so far ;)
[12:24] <mila> take of us also
[12:25] <Xenguy> mila: go stuff something in your mouth ;-)
[12:25] <topyli> heh
[12:25] <mila> yes i back here aGAIN
[12:25] <will_> cya
[12:25] <mila> 10MINUTES After i eaten
[12:25] <mila> cu  all
[12:26] <will_> mila: one word CHOCOLATE!
[12:26] <will_> okay i cant complie gnomebaker :(
[12:33] <D0wnXcaST> Hi, I'm new to linux and i want to learn it. Some people refered me to Ubuntu linux distro. I read lot on your website, and it seems good.
[12:33] <D0wnXcaST> But I would like to know if you could ship cd to canada ?
[12:33] <__daniel> D0wnXcaST: they even shipped to germany :-)
[12:33] <D0wnXcaST> and how much does it cost  &
[12:33] <__daniel> D0wnXcaST: nothing
[12:33] <D0wnXcaST> ok :)  i don't know where they are from :)
[12:34] <jdub> D0wnXcaST: shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[12:34] <D0wnXcaST> ok, thanks, i'll check it out
[12:34] <TheStuff> hi all
[12:34] <D0wnXcaST> how many times it could take to receive the cd ?
[12:36] <defence22> hello im hoping that someone here can help me. my instalation will not work. after loading the modules neccesary to mount the cd, the installion halts for about 10 seconds and then says, "your cdrom couldn't be mounted..."
[12:36] <socomm> D0wnXcaST: A month maybe?
[12:36] <kensai> I have installed debains grub to the MBR and replaced the ubuntus grub with it, Now how do I install the ubuntus grub again to MBR?
[12:36] <socomm> defence22: you probably havent' loaded the modules for your cd-rom.
[12:36] <will_> defence22: is the cd damaged?
[12:36] <defence22> shouldnt be
[12:37] <will_> defence22:how fast did u burn the cd?
[12:37] <defence22> 4x
[12:37] <defence22> the thing that is suspisoucs is that it has done this with other distro's then some kernel option worked
[12:37] <will_> on a rw disc or?
[12:38] <defence22> rw
[12:38] <D0wnXcaST> socomm: ok, thanks . hmmm, i'll try to ask someone near me if he could download it and burn it for me.
[12:38] <D0wnXcaST> thanks
[12:38] <D0wnXcaST> ubuntu seems to be really nice. it will be my first linux experience :)
[12:51] <will_> defence22: that is very strange what drive is it?
[12:51] <defence22> cdrom
[12:51] <socomm> D0wnXcaST: cool, hope you enjoy it.
[12:51] <will_> is it DMA compatible?
[12:51] <defence22> i tryed nodma
[12:51] <kensai> Is there a way for me to reinstall grum on my MBR?
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> yep :)
[12:51] <defence22> and that didnt work
[12:51] <Aphelion> I have a GF4 card, and I want higher refresh rate at 1280x1024... do I need the latest driver to do that?
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> i cant wait to try linux :)
[12:51] <defence22> i think thats what worked on mandrake
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here use thunderbird?
[12:51] <ramzez> hi, is it normal that i don't have grub.conf ?
[12:51] <kensai> D0wnXcaST, I remember being as exited as you about Linux, it is the best experience ever. Linux Rulez
[12:51] <mila> hi
[12:51] <Aphelion> Cloudchaser: I use it on my Mac
[12:51] <Cloudchaser> is there a way to separate the emails into separate accounts instead of one big huge inbox of all emails?
[12:51] <will_> defence22: do you get any error codes apart from 'cant be mounted'?
[12:51] <defence22> nope
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> kensai:  ;)
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> I'm reading tutos and stuff on linux for a week now
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> and now i have to choose the best distro to start :) and i think i'll go with ubuntu, seem really great
[12:51] <will_> defence22: have you tried the ubuntu live cd?
[12:51] <defence22> no
[12:51] <defence22> ill try it
[12:51] <will_> defence22: give it a go
[12:51] <kensai> D0wnXcaST, I love when I remember when I messed my Linux installation in a way that it wasn't usable ;)
[12:51] <will_> defence22: and run a check on the cd you are using, im not sure whether its your drive or the disc
[12:51] <defence22> thanx for ur help
[12:51] <defence22> ok
[12:51] <defence22> t could be the disk
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> its the best way to learn :) do it yourself, messed up a few time, start over and over :)
[12:51] <Aphelion> anyone?
[12:51] <will_> D0wnXcaST: not sure whether i made a mistake by upgrading to hoary!
[12:51] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Aphelion: are you using 1.0-6111?
[12:51] <defence22> ill be back later
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> thanks for your help guys, we certainly have the chances to talk together again, i'm just starting with linux :) i'll certainly have few questions for you guys ;)
[12:51] <D0wnXcaST> now i'll go and read some tutos about ubuntu :)
[12:51] <ramzez> how can i update to 2.6.9. kernel?
[12:51] <will_> D0wnXcaST: have you seen www.tuxfiles.org?
[12:52] <D0wnXcaST> no, yes, i forgot to ask, if you have any good website for newbie, tell me , i 'll appreciate :)
[12:53] <D0wnXcaST> nice, thanks will, seems a good web site : "< tuXfiles, the Linux newbie help files >
[12:53] <D0wnXcaST> You know what? We help Linux newbies
[12:53] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[12:53] <kensai> D0wnXcaST, yo should also visit www.tuxmagazine.com is going to be a very good magazine for newbies
[12:53] <trukulo> D0wnXcaST, www.ubuntuforums.org
[12:53] <jonzi> hello
[12:53] <Aphelion> crimsun: 1.0-what? :P
[12:53] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Aphelion: the driver version, of course.
[12:53] <Aphelion> crimsun: how would I know?
[12:58] <Aphelion> this is a fresh Ubuntu install
[12:58] <RubenV> can you define multiple locations for the same apt source?
[12:58] <jonzi> I am linux n00b and was wondering if some one would be able to help me pls?
[12:58] <RubenV> so i can set multiple mirror sites
[12:58] <D0wnXcaST> thanks, trukulo, ill check the forum also !
[12:58] <RubenV> in case one goes down
[12:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Aphelion: are you using 'nv' or 'nvidia' for X Windows?
[12:58] <will_> jonzi: ask away
[12:58] <DowNC[aw] > hey one more thing guys, do you thing that 10 gb hard drive is enough to begin ??
[12:58] <jonzi> I have just installed ubuntu on my laptop but cant seem to get my wireless card to work
[12:58] (crimsun/#ubuntu) DowNC[aw] : certainly.
[12:58] <jonzi> I dont really know where to start
[12:58] <D0wnXcaST> ok, great. thanks
[12:58] <jonzi> the regular network card works but not the wireless
[12:59] <will_> jonzi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto/view?searchterm=wireless
[01:00] <will_> jonzi: have a look at the compatibility database
[01:00] <jonzi> I just did and its on there
[01:01] <jonzi> Do i need to obtain a driver for this from some where? Belkin dont do linux drivers. Well not for this one at least
[01:02] <will_> jonzi: type lspci and list it in #flood
[01:03] <will_> jonzi: sorry open a terminal, then type lspci then copy and paste all output to #flood
[01:03] <jonzi> ah k sec
[01:04] <Scognito> hi all
[01:04] <Scognito> is possible to "rotate" X ?
[01:04] <Scognito> my monitor can rotate up to 270
[01:04] <jonzi> will it matter that it is a PCMCIA card? will that command still find the info?
[01:05] <will_> oh
[01:05] <will_> jonzi: good point, im not sure
[01:05] <jonzi> it isnt actually showing from what I can see
[01:05] <jonzi> =/
[01:06] <amathis> is firefox 1.0 in apt-get?
[01:06] <will_> jonzi: try computer -> system configuration -> device manager
[01:06] <bigtony> question: can someone help me get sound working with flashmedia please? everything else i have tired sound works fine but flash i get no sound at all
[01:06] <socomm> bigtony: does sound work at all?
[01:07] <bigtony> sound works on other forms of media yes
[01:07] <jonzi> will_: it shows it there. but I dont have any way of saving the inf0z
[01:07] <socomm> Try killing esd, `killall -9 esd'.
[01:08] <bigtony> alright you sure with a -9 force kill?
[01:08] <will_> jonzi: seems its all ready to roll, but u need to configure it
[01:08] <amathis> is firefox 1.0 in apt-get?
[01:08] <bigtony> process not running
[01:08] <jonzi> hmm have tried that but it wont let me enable it
[01:08] <bigtony> error: no process to kill
[01:09] <Scognito> more exactly
[01:09] <Scognito> does xrandr works on hoary?
[01:09] <Scognito> using gforce 440
[01:10] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) yes
[01:10] <momme> I've a nvidia geforce fx 5700 on my laptop and I did just installed ubuntu without a successful x start :/
[01:10] <will_> jonzi: have you tried computer -> system configuration -> network settings ?
[01:10] <will_> set your wireless as active
[01:11] <jonzi> yeah, the card shows, so i disable my regular ethernet then try to activate the wireless it thinks about it then does nothing
[01:12] <jonzi> the box ticks then 3 or 4 seconds later it is unchecked again
[01:12] <momme> nobody who've any idea what driver I shall use to get x running?
[01:12] <will_> jonzi: sorry dont have wireless so dont know about connecting it
[01:12] <jonzi> okies thanks for the help tho!
[01:12] <will_> jonzi: try that page on the wiki
[01:12] <jonzi> I will do, thanks again
[01:13] <will_> anyone here got wireless working?
[01:13] <burntash> anyone know how to get the flash plugin for ppc?
[01:13] <burntash> i tried sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree but no luck
[01:14] <gen|away> i've seen something about it not working correctly in bugzilla/forums burntash
[01:14] <gen|away> just will have to way burntash
[01:14] <gen|away> wait*
[01:14] <will_> im off ppl bye!
[01:15] <eruin> anyone know how I can change the mimetype of an existing file?
[01:15] <burntash> damn
[01:15] <jonzi> bye
[01:15] <trukulo> as i remember, there's no flash player for ppc linux
[01:16] <momme> strange, I've "nv" as driver with a geforce fx 5700 but x doesnt start :/
[01:17] <trukulo> try vesa
[01:19] <giannicola> hi is here any italian person?
[01:21] <momme> trukulo: we'll, the problem was the v4l module in XF config.
[01:21] <momme> I've commented it out, but now it complains about libGL no symbols found
[01:22] <RuffianSoldier> I just installed a CD-ROM Drive and a Hard Drive. The CD is Secondary Slave and the HD is master Slave.  But when I click mount, it tries to mount the HD (I had a CD-ROM Drive as Master Slave to install Ubuntu)... How do I get Ubuntu to detect the CD ROM drive?
[01:23] <D0wnXcaST> i'm still here, and i would like to be sure that i'm not mistaken. its this the right version of Ubuntu i have to download: warty-release-install-i386.iso  ??
[01:23] <jdub> D0wnXcaST: yeah
[01:23] <D0wnXcaST> thanks a lot
[01:28] <momme> what keycode in XF86Config-4.log indicates a error that make the startx fail?
[01:28] <RuffianSoldier> how about me?
[01:29] (sladen/#ubuntu) momme: don't understand.  Could you explain in a different way?
[01:30] (sladen/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: edit /etc/fstab and fix the locations
[01:30] <RuffianSoldier> I just installed a CD-ROM Drive and a Hard Drive. The CD is Secondary Slave and the HD is master Slave.  But when I click mount, it tries to mount the HD (I had a CD-ROM Drive as Master Slave to install Ubuntu)... How do I get Ubuntu to detect the CD ROM drive?
[01:31] <RuffianSoldier> ops
[01:31] <RuffianSoldier> oops
[01:32] (sladen/#ubuntu) RuffianSoldier: I think you said that before ;-)
[01:32] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[01:33] <bigtony|eat> he's a soldier remember he is trigger happy :)
[01:34] <seek187> Whats the diffence between like metacity themes and GTK 2.x themes which ones do I use?
[01:35] <Falstius> hey, I installed the nvidia drivers and then the k7 kernel, but not the kernel modules.  Now I'm trying to fix this but it wants to get the packages from the CD and not online
[01:35] <Falstius> and it wants the preview CD when I have the release
[01:36] <Falstius> how do I tell it to look somewhere else?  (I know I could manually download them, that is not the point)
[01:37] <kent> Falstius, in synaptic,  check the repsitories. its in the menu.  unchec the cd and make sure to choose the ubuntu archive instead.
[01:39] <Falstius> kent, ahh.  That was easy.  sorry, new to apt.
[01:39] <Falstius> thanks.
[01:40] <zugwrack__> How do I start smb now that I installed it? From the command line that is
[01:40] <zugwrack__> service smb start?
[01:40] <kent> Falstius, its hard for everybody once.  You can add other repositoreis (not sure if its spelled like that) in their aswell, if you need to.
[01:41] <Falstius> yeah, I've added them universe but didn't think to check there for the CD.
[01:41] <kent> zugwrack__,   perhaps "/etc/init.d/smb start" ?  if its called smb. that is.
[01:41] <Falstius> my debugging skills aren't well tuned for debian.  Happy thanksgiving folks.
[01:42] <zugwrack__> service smb start?
[01:42] <zugwrack__> Ok synaptic search for smb and after install....I can't get the service up and running...WTF?
[01:43] <Deft> zugwrack__, the samba service will start by itself if it's installed
[01:44] <Deft> the package is samba I think
[01:44] <zugwrack__> Deft: Ok let me check for samba
[01:45] <lupus_> are there some good papers about linux detection of hardware
[01:45] <zugwrack__> Deft: synaptic shows it installed...yet going into network configuration and trying to enable windows networking support fails
[01:45] <lupus_> and configuring plus loading of modules
[01:46] <seek187> My gnome log out button doesn't work??? anyone have any ideas?
[01:46] <Deft> lupus_, any documentation about hotplug should be helpful there
[01:46] <sebb> Hi, I have a Audigy LS soundcard and it doesn't work with the version of alsa that comes with Ubuntu. So, I downloaded alsa-driver-1.0.7 from the alsa web site. I also installed GCC 3.3.4 and the Linux kernel 2.6.8 source with synaptic. After that I tried to install alsa-driver, but it doesn't work. At first, I do ./configure, that seems to work. After that a do make, but it ends up with a bunch of errors ending with error 1. Can anyone h
[01:47] <Deft> zugwrack__, do you see the smbd daemon running?
[01:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: ah, thanks
[01:48] <lamont> bob2: now I have to remember what for...
[01:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: hehehe
[01:48] <lamont> url?
[01:48] <lamont> was that it?
[01:48] (bob2/#ubuntu) lamont: you can just take your contextless thanks and be happy ;-)
[01:49] <lamont> heh
[01:49] <lamont> btw, is anyone using the native ipsec stuff (without free/open swan)?
[01:49] <bigtony> anyone here happen to use paltalk?
[01:50] <EricNeon> morning all
[01:53] <ultrakorne> hi, can i ask a question about my touchpad working "sometimes"
[01:59] <Seq> does anybody have any experience running ubuntu as a headless server?
[02:00] <Seq> i'm mainly interested in the "nicely up to date debian" aspect of it in this case
[02:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) sadly, no, as there's no sparc version ;)
[02:00] (mjr/#ubuntu) I'm planning to put up one myself, though
[02:01] <Xenguy> Seq: if you don't need a GUI, then maybe try the 'expert' install and install just the minimal system
[02:02] <Seq> Xenguy: yeah, i was going to as soon as i put the hard disk in this system anyway. i'd really only waste an hour if it didnt work out
[02:02] <Seq> i was just curious if anybody else had issues at all
[02:02] <Xenguy> Seq: or use debian stable ;-)
[02:02] <Xenguy> Seq: I'm more interested in Ubuntu as a desktop
[02:02] <Seq> Xenguy: thats what im using it as right now, on my laptop
[02:03] <Seq> Xenguy: im using debian on my "old" server, but would like the system to be a bit more up to date.
[02:03] <Xenguy> Seq: that's going to happen RSN anyway when Sarge moves to stable
[02:04] <Seq> Xenguy: yeah, but then it will be out of date for another two years :)
[02:04] <Xenguy> Seq: for a server, sometimes 'out-of-date' is a feature, not a bug ;-)  Anyhoo
[02:05] <Seq> Xenguy: its a home server, file storage and fetchmail.
[02:05] <Xenguy> nod
[02:05] <Seq> i want to have a go at trying to do some asp.net/mono stuff, and really don't want to be bothered with updating mono myself
[02:06] <jdub> Seq: i run ubuntu servers
[02:07] <jdub> Xenguy: please don't recommend 'expert', it's better if people use 'custom'
[02:07] <Seq> jdub: cool. do you use sendmail?
[02:07] <jdub> Seq: no, postfix. sendmail gives me a rash.
[02:08] <Seq> ah, same here at the moment. postfix is the default anyway
[02:08] <lamont> jdub: if I want to install on just one partition instead of the whole disk, can I do that with custom, or must I go to expert>
[02:08] <lamont> >?
[02:08] <lamont> Seq: postfix rocks
[02:08] <Seq> for some reason i thought it was sendmail and i was going to ask about ubuntu-base depending on it, but im just crazy i guess
[02:08] <Seq> ubuntu-base probably doesn't contain any files anyway
[02:11] <jdub> lamont: you can do that in custom, just choose 'partition manually'
[02:13] <deltab> my brother's just installed Ubuntu, but X displays a red screen. We think it's because of the resolution or frequency settings; how do we change those?
[02:14] <deltab> I found http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor but that doesn't explain how you find the driver name
[02:15] <Deft> deltab, which driver name? the one that X is currently set to use?
[02:16] <deltab> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/RreprobeMonitor says "Identify the driver you are using for you [sic]  video card"
[02:16] <deltab> from lspci I know it's an ATI, but I don't know what the corresponding driver name would be
[02:17] <deltab> nor do I know if xresprobe is even the right program to use
[02:18] <Seq> deltab: what kind of ati
[02:18] <deltab> there was a menu of resolutions at the end of the installation procedure
[02:18] <deltab> ATI 3d rage pro agp
[02:19] <deltab> tv tuner version; he's using the tv output
[02:20] <Deft> you might want to try using the vesa driver instead, I have something like that and the tv out doesn't like the ati driver
[02:20] <deltab> both of us are completely new to ubuntu and debian-type systems
[02:20] <lamont> jdub: and then can I tell custom to install desktop? :-)
[02:20] <deltab> Deft: how?
[02:21] <adoyretsamon> so are any of you going to listen to the new Linux Radio show - live at 9pm est - http://www.thelinuxlink.net/tllts
[02:21] <deltab> I imagine there's some debian command to configure this; I just don't know what it is
[02:21] <jdub> lamont: no, custom just installs base
[02:21] <jdub> lamont: it's exactly the same as the normal install, but it only installs base
[02:21] <Deft> deltab, do you know the x config files at all?
[02:21] <deltab> the end of the installation told us to run base-config, but that just seems to be about packages
[02:22] <deltab> yes, but I didn't want to interfere with any debian-specific config
[02:22] <adoyretsamon> deltab, #sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:23] <deltab> thanks, trying that
[02:23] <adoyretsamon> the ubuntu forum have all this stuff too
[02:25] <LifesizeKenDoll> Hello everyone
[02:26] <adoyretsamon> hey man
[02:29] <LifesizeKenDoll> how's everyone doing?
[02:33] <Matthias-> Hey guys - anyone get mythtv set up and running?  I'm having a horrible time getting the setup program to run.
[02:33] <deltab> adoyretsamon: ah, thanks, that got us lots of X config stuff -- we didn't solve the red screen problem, but we know how to get to the configuration now: thanks
[02:34] <adoyretsamon> yup... welcome
[02:34] <bigtony> can someone please explain to me what i'm doing wrong? I'm trying to mount my network share for read write and execute i tried this and it doesnt work #: sudo mount -t smbfs -o rwx,umount=022 //192.168.1.102/documents /home/bigtony/laptopdrive    i can read but i have no write access.. I tried to chown it but it says operation permission denied any idea how to fix this cause when i use smb://192.168.1.102  i can read/write/execute an
[02:34] <bigtony> ything on that share i want
[02:35] <Deft> has anyone tried (and I doubt this) using mysql and java/jdbc on ubuntu?
[02:36] <adoyretsamon> bigtony, what permissions do you have to the local folder in your system
[02:37] <bigtony> i gave it 755 i thought
[02:37] <bigtony> let me check
[02:37] <epod> hm, this livecd is pretty sweet
[02:38] <huttan> anyone had problems with gxine seg faulting when you put it in fullscreen mode?
[02:38] <Matthias-> Mythtv?  Anyone?
[02:39] <bigtony> owner has rwx group xr other x
[02:39] <bigtony> let me 777 it in root that might work
[02:39] <geppy> How do you install IPX on Ubuntu?
[02:40] (sladen/#ubuntu) geppy: I know several meanings for IPX, which one were you thinking of?
[02:41] <geppy> I'm wanting to use IPX to play Starcraft/Warcraft/other games.
[02:41] <huttan> geppy, dont need ipx for that..
[02:42] <huttan> atleast not starcraft/warcraft
[02:42] <geppy> Over a local network, though, you do.
[02:42] <huttan> nope
[02:42] <geppy> sorry, Warcraft II, not III.  :)
[02:42] <huttan> geppy, hmm..maybe warcraft II
[02:42] <geppy> Warcraft II requires IPX, or null modem.
[02:42] <geppy> Or Battle.net, but you can't do that locally.
[02:43] <clee> unless you set up bnetd!
[02:43] <clee> which blizzard has pretty much sued into nonexistence.
[02:43] <geppy> Yeah.
[02:43] <huttan> not that hard to get
[02:43] <geppy> Yeah, considering that it's in the repository.
[02:45] <huttan> geppy, ah..nice, didnt know that
[02:56] <jeff_> #ubuntu
[02:57] <clee> ... that was fairly random
[02:57] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:57] <Seq> well at least we know where we are now
[03:08] <zon7> hi
[03:08] <zon7> I've got a quick ask
[03:09] <zon7> how do I install a package from the pool?
[03:10] <ironwolf> zon7: apt-get install package-name
[03:10] <adoyretsamon> or sudo synaptic
[03:11] <adoyretsamon> then choose your pkgs
[03:11] <ironwolf> that works too... :)
[03:11] <zon7> but I cannot add it to the apt sources cause it has no Packages.tgz archive
[03:11] <adoyretsamon> which file
[03:11] <ironwolf> what package?
[03:11] <zon7> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/
[03:11] <adoyretsamon> yea
[03:11] <zon7> anyone here
[03:11] <zon7> amsn for example
[03:12] <ironwolf> zon7: what package are you trying to install?
[03:12] <adoyretsamon> zon7, you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:12] <zon7> last version is 0.94
[03:12] <adoyretsamon> to add the universe
[03:12] <zon7> try to add this source to the list and synaptic wouldn't accept it
[03:12] <adoyretsamon> do it manually in the file
[03:13] <zon7> I've done it but what do I put after the url?
[03:13] <zon7> it's not main, nor universal...
[03:13] <adoyretsamon> here
[03:13] <adoyretsamon> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179
[03:13] <zon7> let's have a look
[03:13] <adoyretsamon> then make sure you do apt-get update
[03:15] <zon7> yes, but then again amsn 0.94 doesnt apear
[03:15] <zon7> but it is on the pool directory
[03:15] <adoyretsamon> is it in hoary?
[03:15] <zon7> no
[03:15] <adoyretsamon> you did the apt-get update?
[03:16] <zon7> it's only here %http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/a/amsn/
[03:16] <zon7> yes, I have done it
[03:16] <zon7> try to do it yourself if you don't trust me
[03:16] <adoyretsamon> i trust you
[03:16] <adoyretsamon> strange things to happen with pkg mgrs
[03:17] <adoyretsamon> i have to move from the couch to my main system to test that... not right now thou
[03:17] <adoyretsamon> =)
[03:17] <zon7> :D
[03:18] <ironwolf> zon7: it's in hoary... do you have only warty or hoary as well in your sources.list?
[03:18] <zon7> both
[03:18] <zon7> on hoary its only amsn 0.92 i think
[03:18] <adoyretsamon> only hoary now
[03:19] <zon7> what?
[03:19] <ironwolf> and apt-get update gives no errors?
[03:19] <s0cks> How is hoary coming?
[03:20] <ironwolf> s0cks: hoary is very, very good.. *bows to daniels* xorg support is drastically improved.
[03:20] <ironwolf> zon7: apt-get update gives no errors correct?
[03:21] <s0cks> ironwolf : Not alot of problems?
[03:21] <ironwolf> s0cks: there are always fun-ness that goes with running bleeding edge *like the sed fiasco last week* but by and large it's really stable.
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> lol
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> yea sed was a pain
[03:22] <ironwolf> xorg and synaptic touchpad support makes it worth it though.
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> 'nuf sed
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> ;)
[03:22] <adoyretsamon> yea
[03:22] <ironwolf> zon7: did you try apt-get install amsn/hoary ?
[03:24] <zon7> nop
[03:25] <ironwolf> zon7: try that, does it work, or error out?
[03:26] <zon7> well, now I've managed to add it to the repository
[03:27] <zon7> and synaptic and apt get tell me the same for amsn
[03:27] <TheStuff> yahoo games do not open .. ?
[03:27] <zon7> "depends imlib1 pero no es instalable"
[03:27] <zon7> is not instalable
[03:29] <zon7> well, maybe other day :P
[03:29] <zon7> just another ask. To add a debian source?
[03:30] <ironwolf> zon7: adding debian source is possible, but not advisable.
[03:30] <ironwolf> zon7: amsn depends on which?
[03:30] <zon7> nothing.Now it's solved
[03:31] <ironwolf> zon7: hurray!
[03:31] <zon7> i just unchecked everything.Now putting main is done :P
[03:31] <zon7> thanks
[03:31] <ironwolf> zon7: your welcome
[03:32] <TheStuff> any one could help me plz
[03:33] <zon7> I'm using a centrino.It's any way to know which version of the ipw2200 is ubuntu using?
[03:36] <ironwolf> Ask TheStuff.
[03:36] <TheStuff> ironwolf,  caould u help me plz
[03:36] <ironwolf> TheStuff: ask your question.
[03:37] <ironwolf> TheStuff:  I'll do what I can.
[03:37] <TheStuff> i had install ubuntu with updates just few min ago , but my problem as newbie is websites with java like yahoo games and DigiChat do not open ,
[03:37] <TheStuff> 2nd , non english web sites
[03:38] <jiyuu0> TheStuff, have u install java plugin for ur browser
[03:38] <TheStuff> no
[03:38] <jiyuu0> TheStuff, what is ur non english site
[03:38] <TheStuff> arabic
[03:38] <Agrajag> TheStuff: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[03:38] <Agrajag> TheStuff: There is a .deb package for java 1.5
[03:38] <jiyuu0> TheStuff, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/
[03:39] <jiyuu0> how to install java plugin for browser
[03:39] <TheStuff> ok
[03:39] <Agrajag> you'll have to apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5debian
[03:39] <TheStuff> i`ll
[03:39] <jiyuu0> TheStuff, there is how to install extra fonts too
[03:39] <TheStuff> but what about the langauge .. i need to install arabic layout ,, but keep english as default
[03:40] <jiyuu0> ya.. it will install arabic as extra... english will still be default
[03:41] <TheStuff> thanx alot jiyuu0
[03:41] <jiyuu0> TheStuff, no prob
[03:42] <TheStuff> ironwolf,  thanx bro :*
[03:44] <kudram> is there no flash plugin for ubuntu?
[03:45] <jdub> apt-get install swf-player
[03:46] <jiyuu0> kudram, nope by default, but u can install it easily http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/#flash-mozilla
[03:46] <ajmitch_> hmm, installed 2.4 kernel, can't burn cds.. probably lack of ide-scsi now
[03:50] <kudram> thx
[03:51] <ironwolf> mount -t smbfs -o username=*adminuser* '//machinename/c$' /mnt/windowsc  ... any reason this breaks with XP?
[03:52] <jiyuu0> what u mean breaks?
[03:53] <ironwolf> I see $PID: Connection to machinename failed \n SMB Connection failed
[03:53] <s0cks> What is the command to unmount the kernel?
[03:53] <Agrajag> unmount the kernel?
[03:53] <ironwolf> s0cks: unmount the kernel?
[03:53] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s0cks: wtf
[03:53] <s0cks> yeah. is that possible?
[03:54] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s0cks: it's not 'mounted'
[03:54] <ironwolf> s0cks: no man... just say no....
[03:54] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) s0cks: the kernel forms the basis for all i/o and memory management and drivers on your computer
[03:54] <s0cks> Ok. I was trying to pretend like I knew for a friend :P
[03:54] <Agrajag> also, it's not a filesystem
[03:54] <s0cks> Yeah.
[03:55] <s0cks> I am stupid
[03:55] <s0cks> wtf
[03:55] <s0cks> my tree is broken.
[03:56] <ironwolf> s0cks: not stupid, just ignorant..... you condition is fixable ;)
[03:56] <Agrajag> get some glue
[03:56] <s0cks> stupid windows
[03:56] <s0cks> it says *no tree available* when I try to save something as
[03:57] <ironwolf> jiyuu0: any clues?
[03:57] <jiyuu0> ironwolf, trying
[03:57] <jiyuu0> seems can't connect
[03:57] <jiyuu0> i'm getting 5785: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.)
[03:57] <jiyuu0> SMB connection failed
[03:57] <ironwolf> jiyuu0: weird thing is, it's working on the windows 2000 boxen on the network, but not the Win XP boxes..:(
[03:58] <jiyuu0> sp2? firewall?
[03:58] <ironwolf> sp2 firewall turned off.
[03:58] <auk> i need help with Blast the game/application
[03:59] <auk> please
[03:59] <ironwolf> jiyuu0: sp2 is loaded, sp2 firewall is turned off
[03:59] <jiyuu0> ironwolf, sorry
[04:00] <ironwolf> jiyuu0: thanks for verifying I'm not crazy.. anyone else have any ideas?
[04:01] <jiyuu0> ironwolf, if u found answer do let me know ya
[04:02] <ironwolf> jiyuu0: will do...still testing
[04:08] <zon7> well.see you soon iron
[04:08] <zon7> gonna sleep here
[04:09] <ironwolf> zon7: sleep well zon7
[04:09] <eruin> I wish gedit could remember where I place the menu
[04:11] <kudram> my laptop is on fire
[04:11] <ironwolf> kudram: put it out?
[04:11] <kudram> i'll get some water
[04:12] <zon7> :P
[04:12] <zon7> I forgot to ask you a thing ironwolf
[04:13] <ironwolf> zon7: ask away.
[04:13] <zon7> The battery monitor doesnt work. Any guess?
[04:13] <ironwolf> how old is your laptop?
[04:13] <zon7> centrino 715. New
[04:14] <ironwolf> zon7: I had same problem A) is acpi running, B) if not try acpi=force on boot line of grub
[04:14] <zon7> how do I know if it's running?
[04:15] <zon7> on system monitor nothing :P
[04:15] <Xenguy> jdub: OK, will recommend 'custom' install in the future if this offers the 'minimal' install (I had thought that 'expert' was the only way)
[04:16] <jdub> Xenguy: custom does an install of the base seed only, without asking lots of questions. very handy. :)
[04:16] <Xenguy> nod
[04:23] <Rotund> has anyone else noticed that the libglib2.0-dev wasn't updated though libglib2.0 was?
[04:31] <Ruffian|Q|> can I reinstall GRUB to masterboot record?
[04:34] <stuNNed> RuffianSoldier, yes, chroot into your install, and 'grub-install /dev/hdX' where X is the hd where your mbr is
[04:34] <RuffianSoldier> chroot?
[04:35] <stuNNed> or you can use something like http://www.sysresccd.org/index.en.php
[04:36] <Ruffian|Q|> I have that
[04:36] <Ruffian|Q|> :-)
[04:37] <mdorn> Having troubles with upgrading the distro using either apt-get or synaptic on a brand new Ubuntu install.
[04:37] <mdorn> Can install individual packages fine, but "apt-get dist-upgrade," after calculating the upgrade, hangs on "Waiting for headers".
[04:37] <mdorn> Network connection works fine.
[04:39] <urbanbuks> maybe an error in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:39] <stuNNed> Ruffian|Q|, i think with that you can boot into your install then run the grub-install command
[04:40] <Ruffian|Q|> see, I have no Ubuntu GRUB on my MBR anymore (Its a sad story)
[04:40] <ironwolf> mdorn: sounds like borked /etc/sources.list
[04:40] <mdorn> urbanbuks: the only lines I have uncommented are: "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main" and "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty restricted"
[04:40] <Ruffian|Q|> bbl
[04:41] <ironwolf> mdorn: did you want to upgrade to hoary?  or just get security patches from warty?
[04:42] <eruin> which app can convert svg to other formats?
[04:42] <mdorn> ironwolf: No, just get updates for warty
[04:43] <mdorn> It automatically calculates the upgrade packages, calculates the necessary space, etc., then hangs on "waiting for headers."
[04:43] <mdorn> Again, if I just apt-get some particular packages, from the same repository, it has no problem.
[04:44] <mdorn> weird, no?
[04:44] <ironwolf> mdorn: you probably want deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main restricted    in your sources.list
[04:45] <breathe> hello, can anyone help me?
[04:45] <ironwolf> breathe: yes
[04:46] <breathe> I was doing a first-time installation just now
[04:46] <breathe> and it seems to have frozen
[04:46] <breathe> any suggestions?
[04:46] <ironwolf> breathe: is the hard drive running still?
[04:46] <BrittMan914> hey is there any easy way to set up the DWL-650
[04:47] <BrittMan914> under Warty
[04:47] <breathe> ironwolf: I'm not sure
[04:47] <ironwolf> What's a DWL-650 ?
[04:47] <breathe> it's a laptop
[04:47] <BrittMan914> no
[04:47] <BrittMan914> sorry
[04:47] <BrittMan914> its the Dlink Wireless 802.11b card
[04:48] <breathe> alright I guess I'll just have to restart and try again
[04:48] <ironwolf> breathe: first time install/initial install can take some time.  It's working in the background.
[04:48] <ironwolf> breathe: yes.
[04:48] <TheStuff> back
[04:48] <mdorn> ironwolf: hmmm, that gives me another set of problems altogether: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty-security_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[04:48] <breathe> I doubt it, it froze on a single screen for the last 40 minutes
[04:48] <ironwolf> breathe: ah... that's not good.
[04:49] <bigtony> can someone help me with mounting a network drive thats on a windows system i have tried the following 1) mkdir /home/bigtony/laptopdrive 2) chmod 777 /home/bigtony/laptopdrive 3) mount -t smbfs -o UID=guest,rw //192.168.1.102/documents /home/bigtony/laptopdrive  now when i go to the directory ONLY ROOT has permission to delete a file if i type rm <file> normal user permission denied but if i type sudo rm <file> it deletes it from th
[04:49] <bigtony> e wndows share. any way to make this normal user?
[04:49] <breathe> the last message I see was.. Setting up libgsm1 (1.0.10-12)
[04:49] <TheStuff> ironwolf, is there i keyboard shortcut for changing input langauge ?
[04:49] <ironwolf> BrittMan914: Computer-->System Configuration-->Networking ... add a wireless card.  It should find it automagically.
[04:49] <TheStuff> i mean hot key
[04:49] <BrittMan914> first thing i tried
[04:49] <BrittMan914> nothing
[04:49] <ironwolf> TheSTuff: no clue, I run english. :)
[04:50] <ironwolf> mdorn: that's ugly.....
[04:50] <TheStuff> i have installed another langauge but have no idea how to swich
[04:50] <ironwolf> mdorn: can that computer access the net?
[04:51] <mdorn> ironwolf: absolutely
[04:51] <blackthorne> when i insert an usb memory stick it would gets mounted when i access it on the Computer icon (using GNOME). Is it possible to automatically mount all available devices it finds?
[04:51] <mdorn> I'm on the same computer right now
[04:51] <mdorn> Surfing the web, doing IRC, email, whatever.
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> bigtony, here's a link that tells how to do what you want
[04:51] <ironwolf> mdorn: are you sudo'd ?
[04:51] <BrittMan914> um i have wireless built in on my laptop
[04:51] <BrittMan914> it sucks tho
[04:51] <mdorn> ironwolf: yes
[04:51] <bigtony> thanks cloud
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#downloadguide
[04:51] <BrittMan914> I just wanted it to work
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> How to mount network folder on boot-up, and allow non root users to read/write?
[04:51] <Cloudchaser> thats one of the sections
[04:51] <BrittMan914> I put the card in and it lights up just need to interface it
[04:52] <bigtony> thanks
[04:52] <mdorn> ironwolf: as I said, I can use apt-get to install individual packages, but dist-upgrade, it chokes!
[04:52] <ironwolf> BrittMan914: my wireless only worked after rebooting after inital install.
[04:52] <breathe> FOr anyone that has any experience with this...... Does Ubuntu have trouble during installation when trying to download updates?
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> really good faq but a few things aren't right for applications
[04:52] <bigtony> looking now will read and try then come back :)
[04:52] <BrittMan914> well I am on wireless right now
[04:52] <bigtony> well i'm just wanting to drop file son my sh are thats all
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> bigtony, let me know how you make out
[04:52] <bigtony> ok thanks
[04:52] <Cloudchaser> i'm doing that soon myself
[04:52] <bigtony> will try and let you know
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> but i have to make a fat32 partition instead of ntfs
[04:53] <bigtony> fair to pm you after trying
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> sure ;)
[04:53] <bigtony> well my understanding is smbfs translates ntfs
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> you can read yes but its not good to write from linux to ntfs
[04:53] <bigtony> cause thats why smb://192.168.1.102 works
[04:53] <Cloudchaser> so you can get files from it
[04:53] <bigtony> i do it all the time with smb
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> ok just going by what i've read
[04:54] <bigtony> but i want to mount it instead of having to type smb all the time
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> that will tell you how to do it
[04:54] <bigtony> ok going to read now
[04:54] <bigtony> will be back in a bit
[04:54] <Cloudchaser> good luck
[04:54] <laka> i accidently copied an old version over my libnet-irc-perl and apt-get install won't work is there a way i can uninstall it and re-install or just force a install?
[04:55] <Cloudchaser> BrittMan914, my wireless just worked...during install it was detected so i was lucky
[04:55] <BrittMan914> yeah my internal one was
[04:55] <BrittMan914> but nobody has good stuff on how to get PCMCIA cards to work
[04:55] <Cloudchaser> mine is a pcmcia one
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> its an old cisco 340
[04:56] <BrittMan914> oh
[04:56] <BrittMan914> see that might be it
[04:56] <BrittMan914> might have to get a old card then
[04:56] <BrittMan914> damn i shoudl get one of those
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> the big question for me is..how to get a wireless G card to work
[04:56] <breathe> google for it ;)
[04:56] <BrittMan914> you have to download a wrapper
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> i've had other linux distros not work with my card though
[04:56] <jdub> Cloudchaser: which model?
[04:56] <Cloudchaser> fc1 didn't work
[04:56] <laka> i accidently copied an old version over my libnet-irc-perl and apt-get install won't work is there a way i can uninstall it and re-install or just force a install?
[04:57] <BrittMan914> to allow windows drivers to be translated into linux
[04:57] <jdub> laka: apt-get --reinstall
[04:57] <Cloudchaser> my husband's card is dlink airplus G
[04:57] <jdub> Cloudchaser: do you know what the chipset is?
[04:57] <BrittMan914> well did he do anything to get it to work
[04:57] <BrittMan914> the old chipsets did work
[04:57] <breathe> Cloudchaser: from what I've read, DLink never released any official drivers for Linux distros
[04:58] <BrittMan914> righht
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> yah i read that a while back
[04:58] <BrittMan914> they never did
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> haven't tried lately
[04:58] <BrittMan914> still havent
[04:58] <jdub> dlink doesn't matter, it's the chipset that matters
[04:58] <Cloudchaser> so i'll keep my old cisco card
[04:58] <BrittMan914> ditto jdub
[04:58] <breathe> Cloudchaser: so all that's available are some re-engineered versions that are 'supposed' to work well
[04:58] <BrittMan914> I would too
[04:58] <jdub> Cloudchaser: if you can find out what chipset it is, we can probably help more
[04:58] <laka> jdub that doesn't work
[04:58] <jdub> laka: you have to provide the package name, etc. :)
[04:59] <laka> i know it didn't work
[04:59] <laka> apt-get --reinstall libnet-irc-perl
[04:59] <laka> E: Invalid operation libnet-irc-perl
[04:59] <jdub> laka: --reinstall install
[05:00] <jdub> --reinstall is just a parameter
[05:00] <laka> k thanks
[05:00] <BrittMan914> wouldnt it be apt-get install libnet-irc-perl --reinstall
[05:00] <jdub> yes, in total
[05:00] <BrittMan914> just tryin to help
[05:00] <BrittMan914> man this wireless thing sucks
[05:01] <laka> does anyone know about blootbot here?
[05:01] <BrittMan914> i wish it worked
[05:01] <Cloudchaser>  i found this: I've got a D-Link DWL-G630 (it uses the Marvell Chipset
[05:01] <BrittMan914> and works without much hassle?
[05:02] <Cloudchaser> that one i don't know, i never got it to work but i didn't fuss too much since i have a cisco card
[05:06] <Rotund> does anyone know where to get libglib2.0-2.5.6-0ubuntu1?
[05:06] <Rotund> I'm assuming it's part of a warty-update or security
[05:06] <romeo> has anyone here used lamip
[05:06] <Burgundavia> Rotund: a straight update with synaptic or aptitude should get it
[05:07] <Rotund> nope.  It gets 2.4.7-0ubuntu2
[05:07] <Rotund> did I get 2.5.6 from some other weird place?
[05:08] <Burgundavia> romeo: that is the current hoary version
[05:10] <romeo> current hoary version?
[05:10] <Burgundavia> romeo: sorry wrong person
[05:10] <Burgundavia> hoary is the development version of ubuntu
[05:10] <romeo> n/p
[05:10] <Rotund> okay.  How do I downgrade glib w/o messing everything else up (they don't need the latest version, but forcing the version makes synaptic want to uninstall anything that uses glib
[05:11] <Burgundavia> Rotund: unless you are having instablity I wouldn't worry about it
[05:11] <Rotund> I need the -dev and I can't get it w/ the current version of glib
[05:11] <Rotund> the one I have installed
[05:12] <BrittMan914> hey its based on the Prism chipset--ver 3
[05:12] <BrittMan914> does anybody know of drivers i could use then to make this work
[05:13] <Burgundavia> Rotund: Hoary is pretty stable
[05:13] <Burgundavia> Rotund: well, for a development version
[05:14] <Rotund> does evolution work on it?
[05:14] <ironwolf> hoary is... fun... and getting more stable each day. :)
[05:14] <Rotund> I heard it wasn't before
[05:14] <Burgundavia> different things will break for different people
[05:14] <ironwolf> indeed
[05:15] <jdub> hoary is not remotely stable
[05:15] <jdub> but it is relatively robust :)
[05:15] <Rotund> I just got off Gentoo because too much time maintaining system
[05:15] <jdub> Rotund: what is the -dev package you can't install?
[05:16] <Rotund> I have a libglib2.0-0 that's 2.5.6 for some reason
[05:17] <Rotund> Might be from either the mono repository or the gstreamer update (wanted gst-ffmpeg)
[05:17] <Rotund> so now I want to go back to libglib2.0-0 2.4.7 to be able to use the libglib2.0-dev
[05:17] <Rotund> as the -dev and -0 must match
[05:19] <Rotund> is there a way to force 2.4.7?
[05:20] <Rotund> I'm willing to take the couple breakages but not uninstalling all of the things that dep on glib
[05:20] <jdub> Rotund: you must be using hoary
[05:20] <Rotund> nope warty
[05:21] <[SPD] RalphNader> hello
[05:21] <Rotund> I just added 2 repositories
[05:21] <jdub> glib 2.5.6 is only on hoary, not warty
[05:21] <[SPD] RalphNader> hey, I'm about to d/l an install iso to try ubuntu
[05:21] <[SPD] RalphNader> what's the newest release?
[05:21] <jdub> Rotund: which repositories?
[05:21] <Rotund> no clue where I got it from then
[05:21] <jdub> [SPD] RalphNader: warty, 4.10
[05:21] <Rotund> deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ warty main
[05:21] <[SPD] RalphNader> thank you jdub
[05:22] <Rotund> deb http://www.getsweaaa.com/~tseng/ubuntu/debs/ ./
[05:22] <[SPD] RalphNader> what kernel version does that include?
[05:22] <Rotund> 2.8.1
[05:22] <[SPD] RalphNader> wow
[05:22] <jdub> [SPD] RalphNader: 2.6.8.1
[05:22] <[SPD] RalphNader> I was in the middle of d/ling hoary
[05:22] <Rotund> yeah. that one
[05:22] <[SPD] RalphNader> and realized I didn't know what I was doing :)
[05:22] <Rotund> gnome 2.8
[05:22] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol 2.8
[05:22] <[SPD] RalphNader> does it come with GDM?
[05:23] <Rotund> yup
[05:23] <[SPD] RalphNader> sweet
[05:23] <[SPD] RalphNader> I think I shall get it now
[05:23] <[SPD] RalphNader> already have the ftp fired up
[05:23] <Rotund> everything is the GNOME stuff
[05:23] <[SPD] RalphNader> what's this 5.04 I see for d/l?
[05:24] <[SPD] RalphNader> is that an unstable release?
[05:24] <Rotund> hoary
[05:24] <[SPD] RalphNader> ahhh
[05:24] <Rotund> yup
[05:24] <jdub> Rotund: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0
[05:25] <s0cks> I want ubuntu wallpaper
[05:26] <Rotund> ii  libgtk2.0-0    2.5.4-0ubuntu1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library
[05:26] <Rotund> that's odd.  I don't have that installed
[05:26] <jdub> Rotund: that's hoary's libgtk
[05:26] <jdub> it is installed, that's what the "ii" means
[05:27] <jdub> cat /etc/lsb-release
[05:27] <Rotund> man it is... CRAP
[05:27] <Rotund> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[05:27] <Rotund> DISTRIB_RELEASE=4.10
[05:27] <Rotund> DISTRIB_CODENAME=warty
[05:27] <Rotund> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu"
[05:27] <jdub> sounds like you've installed a bunch of packages from hoary, then
[05:27] <jdub> but not upgraded completely
[05:28] <Rotund> Hmmm.  I must've had hoary in my repository at some point.
[05:28] <Rotund> well, I guess I go to hoary =)
[05:29] <Rotund> is it remotely close to stable?
[05:29] <BrittMan914> where is the Kernel path
[05:29] <BrittMan914> for Warty
[05:29] <jdub> Rotund: not at all stable, but reasonably robust.
[05:30] <Rotund> describe not at all
[05:30] <Rotund> like usable
[05:30] <TheStuff> hi .. how to install sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0_i386.deb and link it with mozilla
[05:30] <BrittMan914> hello
[05:30] <jdub> it's not stable because there are new packages every day
[05:30] <Cloudchaser> i did that today TheStuff
[05:31] <Cloudchaser> here's a link
[05:31] <Cloudchaser> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#downloadguide
[05:31] <Cloudchaser> its all in there
[05:31] <Rotund> okay.  how stable is it in terms of not crashing
[05:31] <jdub> it's robust in that it's reasonably usable day to day, definitely so for dogfooding and testing -> expect breakage, however
[05:31] <TheStuff> am on there bro .. but it says how to install JRE not JDK
[05:32] <Cloudchaser> oh sorry
[05:32] <Cloudchaser> you have to do that another way..
[05:32] <Cloudchaser> sec
[05:32] (HrdwrBoB/#ubuntu) TheStuff: same, but download the jdk package instead of jre
[05:32] <Cloudchaser> ah ok
[05:32] <bratsche> Has anyone had any luck with getting spam filtering working correctly in Evolution?
[05:32] <TheStuff> i did
[05:32] <geppy> No.
[05:32] <BrittMan914> does anyone know where the kernel is
[05:32] <TheStuff> but its not the same installation as JDK
[05:32] <Rotund> jdub: well, you may have just gained a developer ;)
[05:32] <whermyhead> I have a DFI LAN party motherboard, its a VIA chip set, but for some reason, I cant get the audio working
[05:34] <Cloudchaser> TheStuff, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:34] <Cloudchaser> method 2
[05:34] <Cloudchaser> i think you still need symlinks too
[05:35] <stuNNed> TheStuff, http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[05:37] <Cloudchaser> oh good stuff there stuNNed
[05:37] <stuNNed> Cloudchaser, np, someone posted earlier here
[05:38] <TheStuff> stuNNed, yes u r right .. i had to dpkg 1st
[05:39] <TheStuff> not working
[05:39] <s0cks> Anyone know where I could find kick ass ubuntu linux wallpaper?
[05:39] <TheStuff> wht is .deb any way .. and why it is not .bin
[05:39] <geppy> .debian?
[05:40] <geppy> It's not a binary program; it's an installer.
[05:40] <s0cks> .debian?
[05:40] <geppy> .deb == short for .debian
[05:40] <TheStuff> k
[05:40] <TheStuff> how to install that .deb
[05:40] <geppy> Not that .debian is an extension;  I'm just getting across the point that .deb is nothing like .bin.
[05:41] <geppy> dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:41] <TheStuff> i did it geppy , gives an error
[05:41] <geppy> What kind of error?
[05:42] <Rotund> whoa.  Tomboy uses 50MB of RAM!
[05:45] <BrittMan914> well night guys
[05:49] <geppy> Is there a way to trace what a program does?
[05:49] <geppy> e.g. what it looks at/tries to modify?
[05:50] <ajmitch_> strace
[05:51] <geppy> Thanks.
[05:51] <geppy> :)
[05:54] <TheStuff> geppy, i finished with dpkg .. wht now ?
[05:54] <db__> hey guys, i just installled having some display problems, can anyone tell me how i get back to changing which resolutions are allowable?
[05:54] <geppy> It should be installed.
[05:54] <geppy> db__: xrandr
[05:54] <db__> ok thx
[05:54] <geppy> db__: Sorry, no.
[05:54] <TheStuff> i`ll check
[05:54] <db__> oh?
[05:55] <geppy> db__:  Misread your question.  /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[05:55] <db__> ok thx again
[05:55] <geppy> db__:  Open that with your favorite text editor, and look for the different resolutions.
[05:55] <geppy> You're most welcome.
[05:55] <db__> okies
[05:56] <TheStuff> geppy, dont i have to link it with web browser ?
[05:57] <geppy> I don't know;  read the documentation wherever you downloaded that.
[05:57] <geppy> You probably do.
[05:57] <TheStuff> k
[05:58] <TheStuff> another issu geppy, i add another langauge.. and the layout for this lang. but have no idea how to switch
[05:58] <geppy> I'm sorry, I've no idea.
[05:58] <geppy> I'd google for it.
[05:59] <TheStuff> thanx any way .. :)
[05:59] <geppy> Sorry.  Good luck.  =)
[06:01] <speel> Hey any way to install firefox 1.0 ?
[06:01] <geppy> Wait for Hoary.  :)
[06:01] <speel> no way lol
[06:02] <geppy> Not if you want support.  =(
[06:02] <geppy> If you don't mind not having support, though, go to mozilla.org, and get the .bin.
[06:02] (crimsun/#ubuntu) 0.9.3 works "well enough" ;)
[06:02] <geppy> crimsun: Yeah, "well enough."  Who maintains firefox, anyways?  They should be slapped, at the very least.  :)
[06:03] <speel> 0.9.3 is a pain , plugins dont install i have to do it manualy ;/
[06:04] <geppy> Really?
[06:05] <speel> yea
[06:05] <geppy> :/
[06:05] <jdub> geppy: if we'd shipped a more recent version, at the time of release, it would not have been robust at all.
[06:05] <geppy> How so?
[06:05] <TheStuff> geppy, its linked by default after dpkg .deb file .. thanx alot bro
[06:06] (crimsun/#ubuntu) I myself had problems with the 1.0PR
[06:06] <geppy> TheStuff:  No problem.  =)
[06:06] <jdub> we downgraded from PR1 back to 0.9.3 because PR1 was highly unstable
[06:06] <jdub> in some ways, 1.0 is better, but plenty of people compare it unfavourably to previous releases
[06:06] <geppy> jdub:  Why don't you update to 1.0?
[06:06] <speel> Why dosen't the ubuntu team release a firefox 1.0 update? insecure or somthing?
[06:06] <jdub> geppy: because warty is released and stable.
[06:06] <geppy> That means no more updates?  =(
[06:07] <speel> im sure they can add it to the ftp's
[06:07] <jdub> that's what stable means, yes
[06:07] (crimsun/#ubuntu) only security updates, essentially.
[06:07] <geppy> Alright.
[06:07] <jdub> security, dataloss and high-impact bugfixes only
[06:07] <geppy> So, when is Hoary coming out?
[06:07] <jdub> preview in march, final in april
[06:07] <Agrajag> 6 months after warty came out
[06:07] <geppy> ouch
[06:07] <geppy> ='(
[06:07] <Agrajag> ouch?
[06:07] <geppy> There are a lot of things that you miss in six months.
[06:08] <Agrajag> so switch
[06:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) then you need to reevaluate why you're using Warty
[06:08] <geppy> Switch?  To what?  another distro?
[06:08] <jdub> geppy: six months is a faster release cycle than other distributions, for a *stable* and *supported* distribution release.
[06:08] <Agrajag> s/warty/hoary/g in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:08] (crimsun/#ubuntu) if you'd like to help iron out bugs for Hoary, help test Hoary.
[06:08] <geppy> crimsun:  The only things that I really want up to date, though, are GAIM and FireFox/Mozilla.
[06:08] <Agrajag> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:09] <Agrajag> geppy: so build your own
[06:09] <geppy> jdub: That's why I'm using Ubuntu.  ;)
[06:09] <Agrajag> I built my own xchat because I wanted 2.4
[06:09] <jdub> geppy: well, that's why warty is the way it is.
[06:09] <Agrajag> easy to do
[06:09] <geppy> Agrajag: Planning to, actually...  How would you go about learning to do it?
[06:09] <db__> is GTK gnome?
[06:09] <Agrajag> what's to learn
[06:09] <geppy> Agrajag: I did a lot of that with RedHat, but I've quickly switched.
[06:09] (crimsun/#ubuntu) db__: other way around
[06:09] <geppy> Agrajag: How to build .deb packages.
[06:09] <Agrajag> you unpack the tarball, ./configure && make && sudo make install
[06:09] <db__> crimsun, ???
[06:10] <Agrajag> geppy: why do you need a .deb?
[06:10] <jdub> db__: gnome is built on gtk+
[06:10] <db__> ok
[06:10] <geppy> Agrajag:  A) easy rollback B) so I can send them out to my friends.
[06:10] <Burgundavia> db__: gtk was originally built for GIMP
[06:10] <jdub> geppy: add deb-src lines for hoary, and build those against warty
[06:10] <db__> like im looking to download some themes, see stuff for KDE and GTK
[06:10] <geppy> jdub:  Mucho gracias!  =D
[06:10] <Burgundavia> db__: gnome-look.org
[06:11] <smo> geppy: There was a walk-thru on the ML, worked for me - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/012158.html
[06:11] <geppy> jdub:  so, have "deb-src *url* warty hoary"?
[06:11] <geppy> smo: Thanks.  =)
[06:11] <db__> ok thx will check it out
[06:13] <speel> whoa weird i just downloaded 1.0 from mozilla and i unpacked it installed it to the folder and ran it and it still said 0.9.3
[06:14] (crimsun/#ubuntu) speel: you have to explicitly execute firefox from the new installation path
[06:14] <db__> anyone know why my hertz is locked at 60? (just installed)
[06:14] <db__> downloaded all the updates tho
[06:14] <jdub> geppy: just hoary
[06:14] <geppy> jdub:  thanks.
[06:14] <speel> thats exactly what i did
[06:15] <whermyhead> I cant get my audio working? Anybody no why?
[06:16] <speel> o ok :) had to close the other browsers
[06:16] <geppy> speel:  heh..  =)
[06:21] <speel> what ver of gnome does ubuntu use and fedora?
[06:21] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Warty released with 2.8
[06:21] (crimsun/#ubuntu) Hoary currently has a mix of 2.8 and 2.9.1
[06:22] <speel> ah ok
[06:22] <speel> ty
[06:22] <geppy> speel:  and fedora?
[06:22] <db__> what is hoary??
[06:22] <geppy> db__:  Next Ubuntu release.
[06:22] <db__> oic
[06:22] <speel> nvm what i said about fedora
[06:22] <db__> i only stumbled upon this distro last night
[06:23] <db__> when FC3 cds failed MD5 :s
[06:23] <db__> seems pretty cool
[06:23] <geppy> db__:  heh... Yeah, imho, infinitely better than Fedora.  You can't apt-get anything on Fedora without breaking something else.
[06:23] <speel> i was using fedora and was content with it but when it came to media codecs and things that should be installed i went nuts and put ubuntu on this
[06:24] <geppy> speel:  heh.... Yeah.
[06:24] <db__> cool
[06:25] <punkass> anyone using gnomebaker?
[06:25] <speel> whats that
[06:26] <zenwhen> gnome cd burning app
[06:26] <zenwhen> and I cant
[06:26] <punkass> cd burning software for gnome that does audio
[06:26] <zenwhen> because it wont compile for me
[06:26] <punkass> i got it to compile and all
[06:26] <punkass> but it cant find a burning device
[06:26] <zenwhen> wants libgnomeui-2.0, I have it, and it still wants it
[06:26] <punkass> i assume its a problem with cdrecord or something
[06:26] <Agrajag> you have the dev package too rite?
[06:27] <punkass> thats for you zen
[06:28] <punkass> whenever it asks for a package when compiling it usually means somepackage-dev
[06:28] <punkass> i am sad cuz i was so close to having a audio burning app
[06:28] <Agrajag> k3b?
[06:28] <Agrajag> it's ugly but it works
[06:28] <punkass> a "gnome" burning app
[06:29] <Agrajag> gnome-cd-master?
[06:29] <punkass> true
[06:29] <punkass> hmm havent tryed that one
[06:29] <[SPD] RalphNader> does k3b not work? or does it need kde libs?
[06:30] <geppy> sudo apt-get install k3b
[06:31] <geppy> It determines dependencies;  why should it matter what it needs?
[06:37] <[SPD] RalphNader> woa
[06:37] <[SPD] RalphNader> netslpit
[06:45] <melazyboy> oh man that sucks i upgraded from XFree to Xorg, when i already had fglrx-drivers installed and working, now Xorg shits out with the complaint no flgrx modules
[06:45] <melazyboy> is it possible to get flgrx working with xorg?
[06:46] <kapland> ubuntu can use x.org?
[06:46] <fabbione> melazyboy: chill down
[06:47] <melazyboy> im not that upset
[06:47] <fabbione> melazyboy: there is a package that needs an update and daniel is working on it
[06:47] <kapland> I just booted it for the first time 1 min ago :)
[06:47] <melazyboy> worst case senario is just apt-get x-server
[06:47] <melazyboy> fabbione: So are we talking within the hour update, or should i roll back? =D
[06:48] <jdub> kapland: the development branch has xorg, the stable release doesn't
[06:49] <punkass> anyone know how i can change what cdrecord see for dev=ATA
[06:49] <punkass> if i scanbus dev=/dev/hdd i sees my burner
[06:49] <kapland> jdub, ah yeah I read that hoary or something
[06:49] <Cloudchaser> has anyone here used wine with ubuntu?
[06:49] <kapland> does the development branch work like stable - sid on debian?
[06:50] <punkass> but dev=ATA tries /dev/hda/ and gives a device or resource busy
[06:50] <crimsun> kapland: warty:hoary = woody:sid
[06:50] <jdub> although hoary will eventually be released :)
[06:50] <crimsun> very true :)
[06:50] <Rene_S> Yeah, I have with Codeweavers Crossover Office and Cedega and Point2Play
[06:51] <geppy> Do *any* soundcards work full-duplex in Linux?
[06:51] <kapland> crimsun, then wouldn't it me more like warty:hoary woody:sarge ?
[06:51] <melazyboy> is apache2 in woody yet?
[06:51] <crimsun> kapland: sure, but there's no staging filter for hoary. Stuff goes directly into hoary.
[06:51] <jdub> melazyboy: woody never had apache2, and won't - it's a stable release
[06:52] <crimsun> geppy: plenty.
[06:52] <geppy> crimsun:  Is there a list?
[06:52] <jdub> kapland: hoary is a branch of sid
[06:52] <kapland> geppy, apparently if you use dmix and dsnoop together with alsa any card should work, I was never able to get it to work though
[06:52] <melazyboy> jdub: i think apache2 has proven its stability =/
[06:52] <geppy> kapland: I'm using dmix, but it's _very_ jumpy...
[06:52] <jdub> melazyboy: woody was released before apache2 was released
[06:52] <crimsun> kapland: it's called asym.
[06:52] <kapland> geppy, dmix works great for me, dsnoop does not
[06:52] <geppy> kapland:  If I download a large file, then xmms just _stops_.
[06:52] <kapland> crimsun, asym?
[06:53] <crimsun> geppy: any of the multiopen chipsets do (cs46xx, emu10k*, ...)
[06:53] <geppy> kapland:  I have not tired dsnoop, but dmix is giving me problems.
[06:53] <kapland> geppy, what output plugin are you using?
[06:53] <crimsun> kapland: asym == dmix+dsnoop
[06:53] <kapland> crimsun: ah
[06:53] <geppy> crimsun:  emu101k for soundblaster != full duplex
[06:53] <geppy> kapland:  ALSA.
[06:53] <kapland> crimsun: and you are able to get it to work?
[06:53] <geppy> kapland:  Configured to use dmix.
[06:53] <crimsun> geppy: I'm afraid you're mistaken.
[06:53] <crimsun> kapland: yes.
[06:53] <kapland> geppy: apperently xmms has problems with the alsa output, I never use it though
[06:53] <jdub> em10k1 is full duplex
[06:54] <kapland> crimsun: what soundcard?
[06:54] <geppy> crimsun:  The soundblaster 16 pci is not.
[06:54] <jdub> and multiwrite, etc.
[06:54] <crimsun> geppy: sb16 pci != emu10k1
[06:54] <geppy> crimsun:  hmph.  :)  It runs with emu10k
[06:54] <kapland> emu10k is the sblive part
[06:54] <crimsun> kapland: m-audio transit usb, uses the snd-usb-audio alsa driver
[06:54] <geppy> Oh.
[06:55] <kapland> crimsun: and no hardware mixing?
[06:55] <crimsun> kapland: none.
[06:55] <kapland> I have an intex-8x0
[06:55] <kapland> can't get dsnoop to work
[06:55] <kapland> or dmix with oss emu for that matter
[06:56] <crimsun> oss emulation won't work with dmix, because dmix requires alsa-lib access. oss emu bypasses alsa-lib entirely.
[06:56] <kapland> geppy: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=asym
[06:56] <crimsun> you can attempt to wrap the application using aoss
[06:56] <geppy> kapland:  danke
[06:56] <kapland> crimsun: ah
[06:57] <kapland> crimsun: yeah I think that was what I was trying, could never get firefox (flash) to work while alsa is being used
[06:58] <melazyboy> shit i think my array just crashed hell ill brb this is going to suck
[07:04] <melazyboy> alright all is good
[07:07] <geppy> How do you set up sound recording on Ubuntu?
[07:09] <eruin> hum
[07:09] <eruin> I just use the volume control, select which source I want to capture from
[07:09] <db__> should i be looking in GTK 1.x, GTK 2.x, or GDM themes if i want a new desktop theme for fresh install of ubuntu?
[07:09] <Agrajag> gtk 2
[07:09] <eruin> then run gnome-sound-recorder and record away :P
[07:09] <Agrajag> GDM is the login screen
[07:09] <db__> ok thx
[07:10] <Agrajag> GTK 1 is for legacy applications
[07:10] <calamari_> hi
[07:11] <db__> cool thx for the info :D
[07:11] <calamari_> does ubuntu have a GUI uninstall program where I can uninstall the things I don't want (even things that come by default)?
[07:11] <punkass> ok when i run gnomebaker it does a scan of dev=ATA but i need it to do a scan of dev=/dev/hdc
[07:12] <jdub> calamari_: synaptic
[07:12] <geppy> eruin:  I'm not getting any sound in the recorder.  When I blow on the mic, though, I get sound on my speakers.
[07:12] <punkass> i edited the /etc/defualt/cdrecord file
[07:12] <eruin> geppy: weird.. I do :P
[07:12] <punkass> so when i do a cdrecord -prcap it sees the drive
[07:12] <punkass> any thoughts?
[07:12] <geppy> eruin:  Hmph.  Thanks.  =)
[07:13] <calamari_> jdub: synaptic huh?  :) I'll have to check that out
[07:15] <geppy> eruin:  I don't see a mic option on my OSS mixer.  Perhaps this is the problem?  I have the mic un-muted on my ALSA mixer.
[07:15] <geppy> heh
[07:15] <geppy> It just appeared, it seems.  Either that, or I'm really tired, and missed it the first couple of times.
[07:16] <geppy> w00t
[07:16] <geppy> thanks
[07:21] <calamari_> is it possible to have ubuntu boot up to my desktop without a password (non-root of course).. that's one thing I really like about Windows
[07:21] <Agrajag> yes
[07:21] <calamari_> cool
[07:21] <Agrajag> computer > system configuration > login screen setup
[07:21] <Agrajag> General tab
[07:22] <Agrajag> check "login a user automatically on first bootup" and choose the name
[07:22] <calamari_> I don't quite have ubuntu yet, but I'll write that down .. thanks :)
[07:24] <calamari_> wow the synaptic screenshots looks just like what I was hoping for.. about time! hehe
[07:26] <melazyboy> does yopper come with mp3 codec?
[07:26] <melazyboy> err
[07:26] <melazyboy> ubuntu
[07:27] <db__> where would i go to change the settings i inputed during installation?
[07:27] <geppy> db__:  Which settings?
[07:28] <db__> all of em, i just skipped thru
[07:28] <db__> country, etc
[07:28] <db__> could of swore i saw something during install that said u could change it all later
[07:29] <geppy> db__:  Each of those things requires a different program to be run, as far as I know.
[07:29] <db__> oh really :s
[07:31] <smo> I believe it should be /usr/sbin/base-config, but that doesn't appear to be installed here (altho it is on my debian chroot's)
[07:31] <geppy> db__:  Actually, no.  You're right, now that I think of it.
[07:32] <geppy> jdub:  Any help?  =)
[07:32] <db__> 'o'
[07:34] <punkass> i think its something like dpkg-reconfigure base-config
[07:35] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:35] <fabbione> no
[07:35] <fabbione> you might want to run sudo base-config
[07:36] <db__> ok
[07:36] <fabbione> that will allow you to reconfigure some startup parameter
[07:36] <punkass> ah there ya go..couldnt remeber exactly
[07:36] <db__> yep that seemed to do the trick :D
[07:36] <calamari_> is there a place I can make a donation.. I just ordered the free cd but I want to cover the shipping
[07:37] <fabbione> calamari_: check on the website directly...
[07:37] <fabbione> either www.canonical.com or www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:37] <calamari_> fabbione: I saw the store, but I don't want any of that high priced stuff
[07:37] <fabbione> i can't remember on whichone is the donation link
[07:37] <punkass> im sad..my cds still havent been sent
[07:38] <fabbione> calamari_: for the store there was a thread on ubuntu-user mailing list.
[07:38] <db__> is this channel the official ubuntu chan?
[07:38] <fabbione> calamari_: i suggest to read it :-)
[07:38] <fabbione> db__: yes
[07:38] <calamari_> db__, I think so
[07:38] <mexp> good morning!
[07:39] <mexp> Question: Is it not possible to install Ubuntu from the livecd...???
[07:39] <punkass> calamari_: there is a bit donate button on the main page
[07:39] <punkass> right under the word "donate" ;)
[07:39] <fabbione> mexp: nope..
[07:39] <mexp> :(
[07:39] <geppy> I'm using ALSA+XMMS+ASYM, and it's killing me.
[07:39] <geppy> It's chopping all over the place.
[07:39] <fabbione> mexp: there is not enough space to put the packages on the livecd :(
[07:39] <calamari_> punkass: you're right.. I must be blind, heh
[07:40] <punkass> hehe
[07:41] <melazyboy> I can't get my alsa to work =/
[07:41] <melazyboy> probably because i tried baking it in the kernel
[07:42] <melazyboy> and it doesn't like that
[07:42] <Seek187> Does anyone have any idea what could cause gnome logout button to quit working??
[07:43] <db__> ive got a GF4 video card.. will i need to go get drivers for it.. or did ubuntu do that during the updating i did ?
[07:44] <fabbione> db__: if you need the nvidia drivers there is the howto on the wiki
[07:44] <fabbione> it is pretty straigh forward
[07:44] <db__> ok, btw what is the wiki?
[07:44] <punkass> fabbione: any word when the new drivers are comin' to ubuntu?
[07:49] <Pluk> morning all
[07:51] <MobyTurbo> I'm having trouble getting my nvidia kernel driver automatically loaded. If I boot, gdm is not loaded and I get, after the error message, dumped to the prompt. If I run "sudo modprobe nvidia" and run startx though my nvidia driver works fine.
[07:52] <gson> goodnight everyone:)
[07:53] <fabbione> punkass: there are still problems with nvidia 6629. but they should come up relatively soon
[07:54] <fabbione> db__: see /topic
[07:54] <db__> ta
[07:56] <punkass> cool..thanks...just curious
[07:59] <gson-> hehe iam using a ati driver conf for my gf4ti4600:) works fine
[07:59] <gson-> hh
[08:00] <smo> MobyTurbo: add a line reading "nvidia" to /etc/modules  .. then it'll be loaded on-boot
[08:00] <punkass> anyone know much about cdrecord?
[08:01] <Rotund> punkass: enough usually.  What you need?
[08:01] <MobyTurbo> smo, thanks
[08:01] <punkass> well i am trying to use gnomebaker which uses cdrecord
[08:01] <Rotund> okay.  what kind of CD you making?
[08:01] <punkass> when it runs it, it runs cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATA
[08:01] <Rotund> okay
[08:01] <punkass> but it doesnt find a device
[08:02] <punkass> cuz its looking at /dev/hda
[08:02] <punkass> and my drive is /dev/hdc
[08:02] <Rotund> try dev=/dev/hdx
[08:02] <Rotund> try /dev/hdc
[08:02] <punkass> yeah when i do that cdrecord is fine
[08:02] <Rotund> that's right
[08:02] <punkass> but i am trying to use gnomebaker which runs that command for me
[08:02] <Rotund> remove the -scanbus
[08:02] <Rotund> I don't think you need that either
[08:02] <punkass> which is a nice gui program for making audio cds etc
[08:02] <Rotund> you can't adjust it?
[08:03] <punkass> thats my question...
[08:03] <punkass> not in prefs of gnomebaker
[08:03] <punkass> i found gnomebacker in gconf and set default to 1,0,0 which is my drive
[08:03] <Rotund> I don't know gnomebaker.  I always used gcombust... though now I'm working on my own GUI
[08:03] <punkass> but it still runs dev=ATA
[08:04] <punkass> so i am wondering where ATA is set
[08:04] <Rotund> could check gconf
[08:04] <punkass> so if it looks at ATA i can tell it to look at /dev/hdc
[08:04] <Rotund> I should expect so
[08:04] <punkass> but i know nautalius can burn
[08:04] <punkass> tho i am not sure if nautilus uses cdrecord
[08:05] <Rotund> hmmm.  that's pretty much the GUI we were designing!
[08:05] <Rotund> Thought I want VCD and SVCD and DVD support too
[08:05] <punkass> hehe..its a pretty slick gui...so if i could burn it be extra good :)
[08:05] <punkass> yeah he lists that as 'coming'
[08:05] <Rotund> can you make a .iso file?
[08:05] <punkass> well DVD anyways
[08:06] <Rotund> if you right click on that, nautilus will burn it
[08:06] <Rotund> I would like a different sort of GUI personally
[08:06] <punkass> yeah i just wanted this for making audio cds
[08:06] <Rotund> try gcombust
[08:06] <Rotund> I like that one
[08:07] <punkass> oh yeah gnomebaker has a "create ISO only" checkbox
[08:07] <Rotund> there ya go
[08:07] <punkass> but thats not much good for audio cds
[08:07] <Rotund> yes it is
[08:07] <punkass> really?
[08:07] <Rotund> Nautilus will burn any .iso file
[08:07] <Rotund> it has no idea what's on it
[08:07] <punkass> but thats if i use a "data" cd which wont convert the mp3s
[08:08] <Rotund> use gnomebaker to make the iso image.  use nautilus to burn it
[08:09] <Rotund> trust me.  If the gnomebaker makes the ISO right, nautilus will burn it
[08:09] <punkass> yes but i have to choose Data CD to make an iso, which means gnomebaker wont convert the mp3s, it will just put them as mp3s on to the cd
[08:09] <Rotund> Weee.  I'm installing XFCE on my Ubuntu machine.  I want to see it
[08:09] <punkass> 4.2?
[08:10] <Rotund> 4.2-RC1
[08:10] <punkass> cool..was checkin out some of the screenshots earlier
[08:10] <Rotund> yeah.  I want to give it a try once
[08:11] <Rotund> Ubuntu should "support" prelinking
[08:11] <Rotund> As in it should do it on the default install
[08:11] <Treenaks> Rotund: why?
[08:11] <Rotund> faster load times?
[08:11] <Treenaks> uh no
[08:11] <Rotund> huh?
[08:12] <Rotund> why does everyone else talk about how it speeds up load times?
[08:12] <Treenaks> Rotund: those are Gentoo people..
[08:12] <punkass> and Yoper
[08:12] <Rotund> Yoper does too.
[08:12] <Treenaks> Rotund: they think everything makes it faster
[08:12] <Rotund> except I've actually seen the numbers
[08:12] <Rotund> and it did
[08:13] <Treenaks> ubuntu uses other compiler (linker?) flags to optimize load speeds
[08:13] <Rotund> oh yeah.  and SuSE is supporting it too now it appears
[08:14] <punkass> haha my mx1000 mouse works better on linux than it does with windows and the official software
[08:15] <Treenaks> Rotund: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00377.html
[08:15] <Rotund> logitechs mouse drivers are bad.  If you used the default ones under windows, it'd work okay
[08:15] <Treenaks> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-September/msg00381.html
[08:15] <punkass> just my forward/back buttons dont work on firefox on windows but they do on linux
[08:16] <Treenaks> punkass: yet another reason to run linux :)
[08:16] <punkass> indeed
[08:16] <gen> deedni
[08:16] <Treenaks> Rotund: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=226909
[08:16] <Pluk> ubuntu does support prelink
[08:16] <Pluk> just not out of the box
[08:17] <Pluk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1971&highlight=prelink
[08:17] <Treenaks> uh
[08:17] <Treenaks> prelinking sounds an awful lot like compiling statically to me
[08:19] <punkass> Treenaks do you know where the value of ATA is stored, as in cdrecord dev=ATA
[08:19] <Treenaks> Pluk: you don't want to prelink: updates to libraries won't automatically "work" in prelinked binaries (security updates come to mind)
[08:19] <Pluk> thats why to run prelink every day
[08:20] <Treenaks> punkass: you want cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or something
[08:20] <Treenaks> punkass: then it works automatically
[08:20] <Treenaks> Pluk: yikes.. scary
[08:20] <Pluk> :) live on the scary side
[08:20] <punkass> yes, but i am trying to run gnomebaker...and its scans for drives with dev=ATA
[08:20] <punkass> and that points to /dev/hda...which is my harddrive
[08:21] <punkass> so i just get an error
[08:21] <Rotund> hmmm.  I thought prelink was supposed to still do a lookup if it failed
[08:21] <Treenaks> punkass: then gnomebaker is broken, because it should use HAL to get a device list, list nautilus does
[08:21] <Pluk> heres a nice piece about prelinking: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/prelink-howto.xml
[08:21] <db__> anyone know how to turn off mouse accel ?
[08:21] <Pluk> indeed a gentoo thingy :)
[08:21] <punkass> ah..to bad cuz everything else looks nice
[08:22] <punkass> but i guess if it can burn then...good looks arent going to do it any good :)
[08:22] <punkass> s/can/can't/
[08:22] <punkass> Computer > Desktop Prefs > Mouse
[08:23] <Pluk> lol it sure a shell speeds up program starting :)
[08:24] <crimsun> I thought Red Hat worked with prelinking first
[08:24] <crimsun> or was it SUSE or Mandrake?
[08:24] <Rotund> It sounds like you can turn it on in SuSE w/ YaST
[08:26] <Rotund> Such  prelinking  information  is
[08:26] <Rotund>        only  used  if  all its dependant libraries have not changed since pre-
[08:26] <Rotund>        linking, otherwise programs are relocated normally.
[08:26] <Rotund> that's from the prelink man page
[08:27] <Rotund> I don't know if it works right, but that's the claim
[08:28] <ian333> can someone help me please
[08:28] <Rotund> what cha need?
[08:28] <gson-> hum, anyone that has bittorent to ubuntu?
[08:28] <ian333> >rotund< do you know cups?
[08:28] <gson-> or where to find it...
[08:29] <Rotund> ian333: Yes... the real thing
[08:29] <ian333> >Rotund< i can't print in landscape
[08:29] <Rotund> I'm not big on GUIs for cups because the web-based cups interface is usually easier to use
[08:30] <ian333> >Rotund< i use the web intreface but can't print in landscape
[08:30] <Rotund> that's odd.
[08:30] <punkass> gson: they are all listed under download
[08:30] <punkass> eg: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent
[08:30] <MobyTurbo> Fedora Core 2, dunno about 1 since I never ran that, has prelinking.
[08:30] <ian333> >Rotund< what can i do?
[08:30] <Rotund> I've never had that problem
[08:31] <Rotund> You're running warty, right?
[08:31] <ian333> yes
[08:32] <gson-> punkass tnx alot
[08:32] <Rotund> I just upgraded to hoary which has a new (better) gnome-print dialog
[08:32] <punkass> no prob
[08:32] <ian333> >Rotund< can i only get the package in hoary
[08:32] <Rotund> You should just go into the gnome-print dialog and change the paper to landscape.
[08:33] <Rotund> which program won't?
[08:33] <Rotund> OOo?
[08:33] <ian333> openoffice
[08:33] <Rotund> okay.  I do think I've seen that
[08:34] <Rotund> I think I changed the layout of the page and the one in the print dialog (or I needed to change both)
[08:34] <Rotund> BRB
[08:35] <ian333> has changed all but to no avail
[08:37] <gson-> hm with what application do i have to use to install  http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-install-i386.iso.torrent ?:)
[08:39] <gson-> ah lol...my bad
[08:39] <db__> atm guys im on 1024 at 60 hertz, and this is about my only display option,anyone tell me how id go about adding some variety in this area ? :s
[08:39] <gson-> just took the wrong link:)
[08:40] <Rotund> hmmm.  Xorg and the NVIDIA drivers don't get along
[08:40] <crimsun> Rotund: sure they do.
[08:40] <db__> how would i go about using 1024 @ 100 herts, or 1600 * 1200 @ 72 like in windoze?
[08:40] <Rotund> you do twinview?
[08:40] <db__> nope 1 monitor
[08:40] <db__> like... i want 1 of those 2 as my desktop rez
[08:41] <gson-> db__, got the same prob
[08:41] <Rotund> crimsun: I need the new driver, but it's not in hoary yet
[08:41] <db__> :s
[08:41] <gson-> in 1024 i had 200hz
[08:41] <gson-> windows that is
[08:41] <Rotund> db__ edit the modelines in XF86Config?
[08:41] <db__> ill have a look
[08:42] <db__> im pretty noob
[08:42] <gson-> Rotund i did that but didnt work:)
[08:42] <Rotund> gson-: you missing the 200 or the 1024?
[08:42] <gson-> had 200hz in 1024, in windows
[08:42] <gson-> now ive got 85hz in 1024
[08:43] <Rotund> okay.  edit the monitor section
[08:43] <gson-> in xf86?
[08:43] <Rotund> BTW: you sure your monitor can handle 200?
[08:43] <gson-> yepp
[08:43] <Rotund> that's pretty high.
[08:43] <gson-> yupp:)
[08:43] <Rotund> Windows may force the driver to the highest supported (just as a warning if your monitor explodes)
[08:43] <gson-> hehe true
[08:44] <stuNNed> dang, there should be a way to have ubuntu-desktop and not have evolution/totem-gstreamer
[08:44] <MobyTurbo> 85 is a pretty good refresh rate, do you need 200?!
[08:45] <gson-> iam used to 200, to go down to 85 heh
[08:45] <ian333> who can help me in cups
[08:45] <gson-> big differance but its okej now
[08:45] <gson-> iam used to 85 now:)
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> hi pitti :)
[08:46] <pitti> Hi Tsjoklat!
[08:47] <gson-> someone that can give me the bittorent install
[08:47] <gson-> ?
[08:47] <b_e_n_z> bittornado
[08:47] <gson-> :)
[08:47] <pastyhermit> hey all
[08:48] <gson-> need to dl naruto :/
[08:48] <pastyhermit> cna I remove gnome after I install ubuntu
[08:48] <pastyhermit> I just want the new XFCE
[08:48] <pastyhermit> but I like the debian base
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> :)
[08:48] <pastyhermit> (its on a P2 233)\
[08:49] <gson-> bah nobody that has the bittorent install..? or where to get it
[08:50] <jiyuu0> gson-, u want a bittorent program? or the seed?
[08:50] <gson-> program
[08:50] <jiyuu0> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/#azureus
[08:50] <gson-> need to download naruto soon:)
[08:50] <jiyuu0> java base
[08:50] <gson-> ah tnx jiyuu0 :)
[08:51] <pastyhermit> what is naruto?
[08:51] <jiyuu0> cartoon
[08:51] <pastyhermit> so yeah, can I get rid a gnome?
[08:51] <pastyhermit> I'll probably keep it on my more powerfull machine and invoke it over the network onto the P233
[08:52] <jiyuu0> pastyhermit, you can download the whole manga on the net to read... quite nice
[08:54] <pastyhermit> what
[08:54] <pastyhermit> what did you just say
[08:56] <jiyuu0> manga = comic book... (jap)
[08:59] <pastyhermit> what ever dude
[08:59] <pastyhermit> you make no sense
[08:59] <pastyhermit> so yeah, can I get rid a gnome?
[09:06] <gson-> jiyuu0 hm got some probs with azureus
[09:06] <gson-> wont work
[09:06] <gson-> installed it and everything but cant run it heh
[09:07] <jiyuu0> gson-, did u install java?
[09:07] <gson-> hm w8
[09:08] <jiyuu0> try issue $ java
[09:08] <jiyuu0> see anything appears?
[09:09] <gson-> phone:)
[09:09] <gson-> w8 up:D
[09:10] <Faustus> hey guys, I think I sloved my sytem freezing on ubuntu, I think it does relate to xscreensaver as I just loaded a ppc distro that i shal not mention that also has xscreensaver.  Well it also freezes my system.  I'm also reading here that loading the dri drivers in xconfig apparently has taken away the problem, although they don't mention xscreensasver yet.
[09:10] <Faustus> Who was on here the other day saying that he was running ubuntu on a rev?
[09:11] <stuNNed> so does ffmpeg work with gstreamer?
[09:11] <Faustus> beige imac, first generation I think.
[09:12] <jdub> Faustus: remove rss-glx and xscreensaver-gl
[09:12] <jdub> stuNNed: via gst-ffmpeg, yes
[09:12] <gson-> ok jiyuu0 done with the phone
[09:13] <Faustus> tried that remember and it didn't work.  I mean it worked better but it still scrashed after that
[09:14] <Faustus> it still crashed while operating xxms, having moziolla open and abiword
[09:14] <stuNNed> jdub, don't see gst-ffmpeg package available, is there another name for it?
[09:15] <jdub> stuNNed: it's not in ubuntu
[09:15] <jdub> stuNNed: paul drain has made packages of it for warty
[09:15] <gson-> yepp some probs with the java jiyuuo
[09:16] <Faustus> seems to be a rage 128 specific problem
[09:16] <jiyuu0> gson-, the instructions on how to install java is at the page too
[09:17] <gson-> heh yepp
[09:18] <gson-> ill try reinstall it..
[09:20] <gson-> jiyuu0 heh need a newer version of java:)
[09:20] <s0cks> Hey
[09:20] <gson-> oh well, need some sleep now. tnx for everything jiyuu
[09:22] <stuNNed> jdub, can i still use the human theme even without ubuntu-desktop installed?
[09:22] <jdub> stuNNed: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, it doesn't actually contain anything
[09:23] <stuNNed> ok thanks
[09:28] <EricNeon> could anybody see my words inputed?
[09:30] <Pluk> yes EricNeon
[09:32] <EricNeon> 3ks,my locale is zh_CN.UTF-8
[09:49] <stuNNed> hi all
[09:53] <sfrank> good morning everyone
[09:53] <sfrank> i always forget it is not morning for everybody... sorry :)
[09:54] <QuaziWork> its here sfrank :) goodmorning to you too
[09:57] <zoso_ubuntu> mornign folks
[09:57] <zoso_ubuntu> *ing even
[09:58] <geppy> XMMS stutters a lot with both ALSA and JACK.
[09:58] <geppy> Suggestions?
[09:58] <zoso_ubuntu> any hardware gurus about?
[10:01] <Elwood> geppy,  i get a lot of xrun
[10:01] <geppy> xrun?
[10:03] <adrian15bb> hello to all
[10:03] <adrian15bb> I have a question about Ubuntu live cd
[10:04] <adrian15bb> I've read somewhere that when you run the cd in windows... there's possibility of installing some open source programs in windows such as Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice,...
[10:04] <stuNNed> does ubuntu use mono stuffs heavily?
[10:04] <geppy> *highly doubt it*
[10:04] <adrian15bb> Is it true? I am reading ubuntulinux.org wikis and forums and I haven't found anything related to.
[10:05] <QuaziWork> adrian15bb, dont think so, but ofc you download those programs for windows your selve.
[10:05] <adrian15bb> QuaziWork, I know I can download them but I wanted to know if it was true.
[10:05] <QuaziWork> i think said, that those programs are also installable on windows
[10:05] <QuaziWork> +they
[10:05] <geppy> Advice for XMMS-ALSA/JACK stuttering?
[10:08] <adrian15bb> QuaziWork, I don't know if I don't know how to explain myself or you don't understand me. I know that these open source programs can be downloaded from internet and that can be installed on windows. What I want to know if when you're running windows and you insert ubuntu live cd you are given the possibility of installing these programs or not? Are you given the possibility?
[10:08] <zoso_ubuntu> probably not
[10:09] <zoso_ubuntu> call that a SWAG
[10:09] <jubo1> hey anyone use ubuntu with the gnoppix cd?
[10:13] <adrian15bb> zoso_ubuntu, Sorry about my poor English. I suppose that SWAG is something as a "infounded rumour" but what is its meaning?
[10:13] <zoso_ubuntu> Scientific Wild Ass Guess
[10:13] <zoso_ubuntu> I can see no reason why they would include windows binaries on the Ubuntu live CD
[10:15] <adrian15bb> zoso_ubuntu: If they don't want to run linux, they can run open source programs in windows still.
[10:16] <silbs> adrian15bb: yes, the live cd will give you the option of installing those FOSS applications (but not of installing Ubuntu)
[10:17] <Agrajag> silbs: whaaa?
[10:17] <Agrajag> They have windows version of all that stuff on the CD?
[10:17] <adrian15bb> silbs, So it is true. And why can't read it anywhere in ubuntu site?
[10:17] <adrian15bb> silbs, Do you have any url... I want to write an article about it.
[10:18] <silbs> Agrajag: the live CD has a handful of apps on it (open office, thunderbird, etc). If you insert it in a windows machine, you can learn about those apps, and install them to your windows machine.
[10:18] <Agrajag> yeesh
[10:18] <Agrajag> seems like a waste of space really
[10:18] <silbs> adrian15bb: good point about it not being on the website. Will get that fixed.
[10:18] <Agrajag> but I guess since you can order the CDs shipped it doesn't necessarily matter
[10:19] <adrian15bb> silbs, Perhaps it is but I couldn't find it anywhere... not in the wiki, not in the forums.
[10:19] <adrian15bb> silbs, I am interested of doing a live cd with the possibilty of installing these open source programs in windows... but in a long term time (Not today or tomorrow)
[10:22] <adrian15bb> silbs, So... Ubuntu live cd interests me. :)
[10:24] <silbs> adrian15bb: i don't think it is on the website anywhere, but we'll add it. It is described on the packaging of the pressed (x86) cds
[10:25] <adrian15bb> silbs, Ah ha, the guy who described it had these pressed cds. That explains it.
[10:25] <adrian15bb> Do you plan making installation even easier I have many ideas about it... and about migrating easily to linux and so.
[10:27] <adrian15bb> Let me find you a backup of the ideas
[10:28] <adrian15bb> http://hispascal.sourceforge.net/phpwiki-1.3.3/index.php/Adrian15HaltPromiLinuxEN?version=9
[10:28] <adrian15bb> silbs, Here it is.
[10:28] <adrian15bb> silbs, It would be great if you made some work on automatisation of installation of various windows programs.
[10:36] <Agrajag> I don't see why they should support any other operating systems beyond putting the installers on the CD
[10:37] <Agrajag> they support one desktop environment, one web browser, one office suite, one operating system.
[10:40] <adrian15bb> Agrajag, Well, it's a long discussion. In the begginings of GNU, GNU programs run in propietary kernels. Run in UNIX systems. Why shouldn't GNU programs run in propietary kernel such as Windows ones? But yes,... your question is... why Ubuntu should support it? Well, because if you don't manage to make an user to install Ubuntu, you get it to install open source applications what it is always good, I think.
[10:48] <Shadow2> anyone know a good url for getting prism based wireless cards going under linux?
[11:07] <Shufla> hello dear ubuntus' :)
[11:08] <QuaziWork> hi Shufla
[11:10] <NewComer> i want to get rid of taskbar, so i commented the line with xftaskbar4 in startxfce4, yet taskbar is still loaded at startup
[11:12] <potato> NewComer, what will you use for keeping tracks of your apps, though ?
[11:12] <NewComer> potato, taskbar plugin within the panel
[11:12] <potato> never worked for me, thatone
[11:12] <NewComer> brb
[11:12] <NewComer> potato, it isn't that cute, but works
[11:13] <EricNeon> bye all~
[11:13] <__daniel> hai
[11:13] <potato> a lil bit of taskbar isn't too bad -> http://users.tpg.com.au/adslal2b/myxfce4.png
[11:14] <EricNeon> see you tomorrow
[11:14] <potato> dang
[11:14] <Faust> does ubuntu have the xasne working w/o caveats other than root
[11:14] <Faust> ?
[11:15] <Faust> nobody!?
[11:16] <Faust> wow
[11:16] <Shufla> bye
[11:16] <MobyTurbo> out of the various free Javas included with ubuntu, which is the most useful?
[11:16] <Faust> night
[11:17] <potato> NewComer, http://users.tpg.com.au/adslal2b/myxfce4.png
[11:19] <NewComer> potato, i use the same xfwm4 theme :)
[11:28] <Lowry> Hi all
[11:29] <wave> this resolv.conf is still giving me the shits
[11:30] <wave> I edit it and it changes back to nameserver 10.0.0.138
[11:30] <wave> wierd
[11:30] <Kano> hi anyone using kde here?
[11:31] <potato> not much
[11:31] <potato> Wave, do you use dhcp ?
[11:34] <Wave> no static ips
[11:34] <wood1> Does anyone know of a very secure and anonymous proxy server ?
[11:35] <Wave> su root then edit via vim then :wq
[11:36] <Shadow2> anyone know a good url for getting prism based wireless cards going under linux?
[11:37] <Wave> shadow try google for hostap
[11:37] <wood1> Can someone give me some ideas for editing the sudoers file without using visudo command ?
[11:37] <Shadow2> k cheers
[11:38] <wood1> I want to edit the sudoers file by using Emacs instead of sisudo
[11:39] <Lowry> If you find a card this site has the pigtail list http://www.cantenna.com/pigtailfinder.html
[11:48] <Kamion> wood1: visudo doesn't have to mean vi; it uses the default editor
[11:48] <Kamion> wood1: 'export EDITOR=emacs' or whatever and then use visudo
[11:48] <Kamion> wood1: but you *should* use visudo because it performs sanity checks to stop you breaking your sudoers file by accident; that's the point of it
[11:54] <Toadstool> hi
[11:54] <ChibiFS> Anyone reallllly trustworthy around? :/
[11:55] <deFrysk> nope
[11:55] <Kamion> ChibiFS: that would depend on the reason
[11:56] <ChibiFS> Remote-logon. I'm not sure if my vnc is secure, I don't think I want random people logging into my computer while I'm gone. :P
[11:58] <nevyn> ChibiFS: asking that on IRC is asking for trouble.
[11:58] <ChibiFS> Indeed it is.
[12:00] <reon> do i need to do anything to play mp3s on ubuntu?
[12:00] <cardador> reon: install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:00] <ChibiFS> Yes, Reon. You need mad or xine. D:
[12:01] <reon> ah k, would i find them at freshmeat?
[12:01] <cardador> reon: if you check the FAQ on Ubuntu homepage youll find a lot of stuff to help you.
[12:01] <user__> sorted had a damn dhcp server turned on a router for my lan
[12:01] <cardador> reon: to install stuff you use computer > syst conf > synaptic
[12:01] <cardador> reon: again, check the FAQ
[12:02] <reon> yea ive updated synaptic
[12:02] <reon> and been to the webby like 6 times since last night
[12:02] <wave> the dhcp client must edit /etc/resolv.conf even though static routes are specified
[12:02] <George^Deka> hi all, think i broke my ubuntu - i installed firefox from hoary, now when the system boots it does not load gdm instead i get a curses screen telling me x is already running on 0 do you want to try it again on 0 or on another session
[12:02] <reon> mustnt see the subjects or something :s
[12:02] <George^Deka> do you think there may be a way to fix it
[12:03] <ChibiFS> Anyway, I'm pretty certain it's okay, I just want to see if a remote connection attempt will pass. -- would anyone mind trying to vnc to studiochibico.com:0 and tell me if you get a password prompt, and if not, wipe my harddisk? :P
[12:04] <Treenaks> George^Deka: yes, don't install the firefox from hoary on warty
[12:05] <George^Deka> Treenaks: well now its done, can anyone suggest a fix
[12:05] <Treenaks> I don't know
[12:05] <deFrysk> George^Deka, update everything to hoary
[12:06] <deFrysk> do a dist-upgrade
[12:06] <George^Deka> deFrysk: easy enough said than done, im on dialup
[12:07] <wave> dialup eek
[12:07] <deFrysk> George^Deka, then you are in trouble ;/
[12:07] <ChibiFS> dial...what?
[12:07] <daniels> deFrysk: i assure you, it very much still does
[12:08] <ChibiFS> What is this.... dial?
[12:08] <reon> it matter if i get gstreamer0.8-mad from a debian source?
[12:08] <deFrysk> daniels, yes
[12:08] <deFrysk> reon, why not get it from universe ?
[12:08] <QuaziWork> how do i type a euro sign with ubuntu in open office ?
[12:08] <deFrysk> QuaziWork, use us_intl and alt-5 or alt-e
[12:09] <Treenaks> reon: don't get it from there, get it from ubuntu universe
[12:09] <wood1> Is there any commands or software which allows us to shutdown the Ubuntu system at a specific time of the day ?
[12:09] <George^Deka> deFrysk, wave, ChibiFS: broadband is too expensive for me bloody australia
[12:09] <reon> what's universe :s
[12:09] <QuaziWork> use us_intl ? isnt that default ?
[12:09] <b_e_n_z> wood1, cron
[12:09] <reon> i only heard of ubuntu last night lol
[12:09] <deFrysk> Australia , does that still exist ?
[12:09] <Lowry> whirlpool.net.au
[12:09] <ChibiFS> What's an australia? D:
[12:09] <QuaziWork> seems alt-e opens the edit menu, and both alt-5 seem to do nothing here :)
[12:09] <Lowry> Find a cheap plan
[12:09] <reon> can someone help me with universe?
[12:10] <wood1> For example, the time now is: 5 PM. Now I want to shutdown the PC at 10 PM
[12:10] <wood1> How do I that ?
[12:10] <Lowry> Few 100 mb a month
[12:10] <ChibiFS> Is that one of those...uh.... places.... outside of my room?!
[12:10] <George^Deka> Lowry: 100mb a month, i would have dist-upgraded that in a day
[12:10] <deFrysk> reon, add it to your sources.list (uncomment the universe line)
[12:11] <cardador> reon: you can find that also on the FAQ :\ anyway, go to synaptic > settings > repositories > on the thicked line, add universe and multiverse after "main restricted"
[12:11] <Lowry> But then you a shaped back to dial up speeds
[12:11] <George^Deka> Lowry: yes i know whirlpool, maybe now i started full time work get aanet 30p.m 5gig - bloody 256 but better than nothing
[12:11] <deFrysk> reon, or what cardador said
[12:11] <reon> ok will do
[12:11] <Lowry> So you can still have a set price and some good days
[12:12] <daniels> Lowry: eh, it's not as easy as saying whirlpool; I was stuck on dialup until recently because of distance from exchange + pair-gain, and I live in Melbourne
[12:13] <bob2> yeah, melbourne is crap like t hat
[12:13] <Lowry> I am on a rim - so i understand
[12:13] <Lowry> But some of the new plans are great - if you can get adsl
[12:13] <reon> how do i add universe and multiverse?
[12:14] <George^Deka> bloody oath, at least i dont think im on no stupid rim/pair-gain crap - but as i said i only started full time this week only was getting 100 p.w before that
[12:14] <bob2> reon: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[12:14] <wood1> bob2, what is the exact format of the "cron" command to shutdown my Ubuntu System at 10 PM
[12:14] <cardador> reon: i just told you how!
[12:16] <reon> whats a thicked line?
[12:16] <reon> i thought u ment ticked
[12:17] <deFrysk> commented line
[12:17] <deFrysk> like #
[12:17] <deFrysk> thicked line is a thick line ?
[12:17] <wood1> Does anybody who knows the exact syntax of the cron command to shutdown the PC at 10 PM?
[12:18] <deFrysk> like chloresterol ?
[12:18] <potato> chlor ester ?
[12:18] <potato> heh
[12:18] <potato> wood1, man crontab
[12:19] <cardador> reon: dont be a smart ass, you only have one line that is ticked
[12:20] <deFrysk> is it ticked ?
[12:20] <deFrysk> not thicked ?
[12:20] <deFrysk> :/
[12:20] <bob2> wood1: "man 5 crontab" explains it
[12:20] <ljlane> wood1: man 5 crontab
[12:21] <cardador> deFrysk: i dont know, whatever fits you :)
[12:21] <deFrysk> hehe :D
[12:21] <ljlane> bob2 strikes again
[12:21] <bob2> you want 0 for the minute, 10 for the hour, and whatever for the day/month/day-of-week
[12:21] <potato> something like 0 10 * * * sudo shutdown
[12:21] <potato> or however you do it on ubuntu
[12:21] <bob2> ljlane: stop following me!11
[12:21] <cardador> deFrysk: you have about 10 lines, and only one has a mark. so its not so hard
[12:21] <reon> ok so is what ure trying to say is, tick the 2 box's unticked, and add universe after their section comment?
[12:21] <Kamion> cardador: I'd expect there to be two ticked boxes by default
[12:21] <deFrysk> cardador, /me alwayd edits the sources.list
[12:22] <Kamion> cardador: deb warty main restricted and deb-src warty main restricted
[12:22] <cardador> Kamion: yes you are right
[12:24] <potato> uhm 0 22 * * *
[12:27] <potato> heheh   * * * * * yes >> /var/log/yes
[12:27] <reon> cardador, ive only just read this irclog trying to understand what trying to tell me, it seems u think i only have 1 ticked box? when infact i have 5 ticked and 2 unticked.. anyway
[12:37] <wood1> Addding in the crontab "  22  5   * * *   root   halt " does not do anything
[12:37] <wood1> bob2
[12:37] <reon> i got 7 enabled repositories, that normal?
[12:40] <deFrysk> reon, you can tic deb-src repo' s savely
[12:40] <deFrysk> hmm , too late
[12:42] <wood1> man 5 crontab has not helped me
[12:44] <Gmail> lol
[12:45] <imi> hi
[12:45] <imi> i can't get java working in firefox. i've followed the instructions on the wiki but no success
[12:46] <Gmail> imi: i can
[12:46] <Gmail> that shows you did something wrong
[12:46] <imi> Gmail, how?
[12:46] <Gmail> imi: do you have java installed
[12:47] <imi> j2re , j2sdk
[12:47] <imi> yes
[12:47] <Gmail> did you copy the plug into the plug dir?
[12:47] <Gmail> using ln -s
[12:47] <imi> ln -s /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
[12:47] <imi> yes
[12:48] <drac> you're screwed!
[12:49] <imi> why?
[12:51] <imi> could you please try this page: http://www.netbanking.at and see if it works for you?
[12:51] <Gmail> imi: you used the wrong command
[12:51] <Gmail> you just screwed the plugin
[12:51] <wood1> How do I restart the cron daemon
[12:51] <Gmail> imi: i can relov that domain
[12:52] <Gmail> ohh wait here is comes
[12:52] <wood1> I get the cron service temporarily unavailable
[12:52] <Gmail> imi: it work but wheres the java?
[12:53] <Gmail> imi: i clicked demo
[12:53] <imi> Gmail for me it says that i need a java capable browser
[12:53] <Gmail> i see no java at all
[12:53] <Gmail> all you stuff your plugin
[12:54] <Gmail> 'please reinstall the plugin
[12:55] <giannicola> which program do you use to burn cd's i ubuntu?
[12:55] <giannicola> do i have to install k3b?
[12:55] <b_e_n_z> giannicola, nautilus
[12:55] <jdub> giannicola: if you only need to burn data (not audio), use nautilus
[12:56] <jdub> giannicola: it should pop up when you insert a blank disk
[12:57] <giannicola> i'll try
[12:58] <giannicola> ok it works
[12:58] <giannicola> hi king arthur
[12:58] <king_arthur> hi there
[12:58] <Gmail> jdub: you can burn audio onto a cd but it will not do audio > an normal audio cd
[12:58] <giannicola> and if i have to burn audio cd's
[12:58] <Gmail> wb k
[12:59] <Gmail> wb king_arthur
[12:59] <jdub> Gmail: i know.
[12:59] <Gmail> giannicola: wait till gnome 2.10
[12:59] <jdub> giannicola: you'll need to install k3b to burn audio cds.
[12:59] <giannicola> ah
[12:59] <Gmail> jdub: not true
[01:00] <b_e_n_z> giannicola, xcdroast
[01:00] <b_e_n_z> giannicola, grip
[01:00] <Gmail> he/she can do it by cli or gnome-baker
[01:00] <Gmail> or grip
[01:00] <jdub> Gmail: there is no guarantee that gnome 2.10 will include a cd burning tool beyond n-c-b.
[01:00] <jdub> Gmail: sure, he/she could do that, but *i'd* recommend k3b.
[01:00] <Gmail> jdub: its top on the list for rythmicbox
[01:00] <jdub> Gmail: can you chill out please?
[01:01] <giannicola> i'm a guy
[01:01] <Gmail> rhythmbox
[01:01] <jdub> Gmail: it may or may not happen, i'm well aware of what's going on in gnome
[01:01] <giannicola> ok i want to install k3b and i've read the how to
[01:01] <Gmail> jdub: the rhythmbox devs said in footnote it will for sure be in the next version
[01:01] <Kamion> Gmail: jdub is the GNOME release manager; you might want to pick and choose whom you argue with here ;)
[01:02] <Gmail> Kamion: i know
[01:02] <Gmail> where is jordi
[01:02] <giannicola> but i don't understand what "First, make sure you have enabled the "universe" repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list file or in synaptic under Settings-Repositories
[01:02] <giannicola>  means
[01:02] <giannicola> "
[01:02] <Gmail> i think she can  comfer it
[01:03] <jdub> giannicola: do you use synaptic?
[01:03] <giannicola> yes
[01:04] <Kamion> Gmail: jordi certainly didn't look like a woman when I met him
[01:05] <pisuke> jordi is a boy name
[01:05] <jdub> giannicola: in settings > repositories, turn on the disabled universe/multiverse lines
[01:11] <imi> about:plugins in firefox tells me that i have java enabled. still, one page is complaining about java
[01:11] <imi> grrrrrrrrrr
[01:12] <jiyuu0> imi, which?
[01:12] <imi> netbanking.at
[01:12] <imi> a rather important one
[01:12] <jiyuu0> imi, seems fine
[01:12] <Gmail> Kaloz: wtf
[01:13] <jiyuu0> imi, which part complaining no java?
[01:13] <Talliesin> maybe it has ms jvm only code
[01:13] <Kaloz> Gmail: ?
[01:13] <Gmail> oops
[01:13] <imi> the page doesnt load, i get a box in the middle it says your browse doesnt support java. i've checked, gecko is supported
[01:13] <Gmail> Kamion: that was for you
[01:14] <imi> i'm trying the java thing from the official site
[01:14] <jiyuu0> try follow how to install java plugin here http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[01:17] <MasterD> Hello, can anybody tell me how to install an Asus WL-100g wireless PCMCIA card on Ubuntu 4.10?
[01:17] <jiyuu0> iwconfig shows u anything?
[01:18] <sto> Kamion: jordi is not a girl, but he waxes his legs... :)
[01:18] <jordi> lol
[01:18] <MasterD> I try it
[01:18] <jiyuu0> MasterD, can see any output?
[01:21] <MasterD> As far as the card itself, it's LINK light does not go on, but I can see it in Device Manager as a Broadcom card (chipset)
[01:21] <MasterD> The rest of Ubuntu (like the signal meter) can't see it, so I can't select it
[01:21] <jiyuu0> go to terminal type $ iwconfig
[01:22] <MasterD> no - no - no
[01:22] <MasterD> But does that command also look at the PCMCIA card slots?
[01:23] <jiyuu0> i thought it could have auto detect
[01:24] <MasterD> As the Device manager sees it, isn't it possible that the card just has to be 'turned on' like in Windows?
[01:24] <MasterD> That it is currently disabled?
[01:24] <pisuke> MasterD, maybe you need the firmware
[01:24] <pisuke> for your card
[01:24] <pisuke> /usr/share/hotplug/firmware
[01:24] <jdub> MasterD: if it's broadcom, and 802.11g, you're out of luck most likely
[01:24] <MasterD> Yes, but Asus does not deliver anything for Linux, so what do you advise>?
[01:24] <jdub> MasterD: perhaps try ndiswrapper
[01:25] <pisuke> or some place like that
[01:25] <MasterD> It IS a Broadcom 802.11g
[01:25] <jiyuu0> jdub, u saying broadcom wifi not supported?
[01:25] <jdub> jiyuu0: that's why everyone is grumpy with apple :)
[01:25] <jiyuu0> ic
[01:26] <non3> Sorry to interupt, I have minor question about the main menu bar that has the picture of the gnome foot, "Applications, Computer". Is there any way to access the "Computer" menu without having the entire menu bar there?
[01:27] <MasterD> So I can't use Ubuntu with my Asus WiFi card?
[01:27] <jdub> non3: you can make the panel hide
[01:27] <Kamion> MasterD: ndiswrapper is a really scary hack to let you use Windows drivers on Linux
[01:27] <jdub> non3: and then hit alt-f1 to get to applications
[01:27] <Kamion> MasterD: worth a shot as a last resort
[01:28] <Kamion> MasterD: (although only on i386)
[01:28] <MasterD> Is that for those Win2000 drivers I read something about>
[01:28] <MasterD> I have i386
[01:28] <Kamion> think so
[01:28] <MasterD> Hmm, I'll try it
[01:29] <non3> I hoping to access things on the "Computer" menu, such as desktop prefs and system config
[01:29] <scoon> MasterD: try and do an lspci -v, see if maybe the chipset is given
[01:29] <mjr> Kamion, it's not scary. Scary would be if someone integrated ndiswrapper with qemu to allow execution of the Windows drivers on Linux/PPC ;)
[01:30] <mjr> as such, ndiswrapper is merely ugly, but out of necessity :
[01:30] <mjr> :)
[01:30] <Kamion> mjr: I'm fairly sure I heard of somebody trying that once
[01:30] <king_arthur> Kamion: how does ndiswrapper perform?
[01:30] <scoon> MasterD: i use linksys wireless pci card on my desktop and ubuntu.  someone else makes the chips for them and has the driver code for linux compilation available.
[01:31] <MasterD> Broadcom BCM94306
[01:31] <Kamion> king_arthur: no idea
[01:31] <king_arthur> mjare you happy with ndiswrapper?
[01:31] <king_arthur> mjr: are you happy with ndiswrapper?
[01:32] <MasterD> So where should I get the propper drivers for this Broadcom card?
[01:33] <bob2> MasterD: wireless card?
[01:33] <Kamion> king_arthur: nobody should be *happy* with ndiswrapper ...
[01:33] <king_arthur> Kamion: :-)
[01:33] <MasterD> yep
[01:34] <king_arthur> Kamion: better than having no connection at all
[01:34] <eruin> bah, somebody said my name but my buffer doesnt contain it ;)
[01:35] <Lowry> night all
[01:35] <MasterD> About that ndiswrapper, I can't find it
[01:37] <jiyuu0> MasterD, try http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=810
[01:37] <jiyuu0> maybe do a google search on Broadcom BCM94306 linux driver
[01:38] <jiyuu0> sud five u some hints
[01:38] <MasterD> That site is already open at this side :)
[01:38] <jiyuu0> good luck
[01:38] <jiyuu0> :)
[01:39] <MasterD> But it doesn't work here (propably my fault)....
[01:40] <MasterD> Oeps, I see it, maybe it should be handy to connect my system with ethernet for a while
[01:49] <sleon> hi
[01:49] <sleon> how to disable grub install during cd install?
[01:50] <sleon> i don't want to install it at all
[01:50] <sleon> ok
[01:50] <sleon> i try something now
[02:11] <gnobody> I am having problems with Rhythmbox and Totem in hoary
[02:11] <seb128> details ?
[02:11] <gnobody> Totem crashes whenever I launch it
[02:11] <seb128> totem-xine ?
[02:11] <seb128> or gstreamer
[02:11] <gnobody> and Rhythmbox gives me "Resource not open for writing" whenever I click on a music file
[02:11] <gnobody> xine
[02:11] <seb128> try to launch with a file as argument
[02:11] <seb128> it crashes when the playlist is empty due to a libpng bug
[02:11] <gnobody> totem-xine?
[02:11] <kapputu> firefox seems terribly slow
[02:11] <gnobody> or rhythmbox
[02:11] <seb128> totem a_file...
[02:11] <gnobody> k
[02:11] <kapputu> not resolving domain names properly
[02:11] <seb128> for rhythmbox, what's your audio sink in gstreamer-properties ?
[02:11] <wave> kapputu i had problems earlier with dns
[02:11] <gnobody> totem-xine works when I point it to an MP3
[02:11] <wave> kapputu are you using dhcp
[02:11] <kapputu> yeah
[02:11] <kapputu> it was working great till yesterday
[02:11] <wave> i found that the dhcp client would edit /etc/resolv.conf and put the dhcp server address as the dns server
[02:11] <wave> even though I placed static ips in /etc/network interfaces
[02:11] <wave>  /etc/network/interfaces
[02:11] <Shadow2> anyone know where the wlan conf is in ubuntu?
[02:11] <kapputu> it takes ages to look up slashdot
[02:12] <gnobody> I have set it to alsa, arts, OSS, and none of them work
[02:13] <seb128> gnobody: esd
[02:13] <kapputu> i'm royally pissed off
[02:14] <jiyuu0|work> kapputu, have u try disable ipv6 in firefox
[02:15] <gnobody> yeah esd doesn't work either
[02:15] <seb128> do you have esd running ?
[02:15] <gnobody> I don't know
[02:16] <seb128> have changed something on the default installation ?
[02:16] <gnobody> how do I run it?
[02:16] <gnobody> no
[02:16] <seb128> so it should be running
[02:16] <seb128> ps ax | grep esd ?
[02:16] <gnobody> /dev/dsp: No such device
[02:16] <gnobody> when I run esd I get the above
[02:17] <gnobody> 22531 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep esd
[02:17] <gnobody> jason@ubuntu:~ $ ps ax | grep esd
[02:17] <gnobody> 22531 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep esd
[02:18] <seb128> gnobody: oh, your soundcard doesn't work at all so
[02:18] <seb128> gnobody: what kind of soundcard do you have ?
[02:20] <gnobody> soundblaster live 5.1
[02:20] <wave> shadow2 you might be able to use iwconfig from /etc/network/interfaces
[02:20] <gnobody> it has worked like every other time I have installed hoary
[02:20] <gnobody> which has been at least 4 times
[02:20] <gnobody> this is wierd
[02:21] <seb128> gnobody: /dev/dsp should be created when the module for your soundcard is loaded
[02:23] <gnobody> I just did a "sudo modprobe emu10k1" and it didn't fix it
[02:23] <stuNNed> gnobody, what does `lspci|grep -i audio` say?
[02:23] <kensai> I have installed xorg and now I want to install nvidia driver and nvidia-glx-config enable does not function it is searching for XFree86Config
[02:24] <gnobody> 0000:00:0a.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[02:24] <gnobody> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[02:24] <daniels> kensai: yes, known issue, will be fixed in the next day or two
[02:24] <sladen> gnobody: can you search the logs in /var/log/messages and see if there is anything noting why it didn't load automatically
[02:24] <kensai> daniels, so I will be without nvidia driver for 2 days?
[02:24] <kensai> I could die ;)
[02:25] <stuNNed> gnobody, looks like your problem is you have onboard sound?  i would go into bios and disable that, then should work ok.
[02:25] <stuNNed> gnobody, or a tv card?
[02:25] <pisuke> is a tv card
[02:26] <gnobody> it's my tv card
[02:26] <stuNNed> gnobody, lsmod|grep bttv
[02:26] <daniels> kensai: y'know, you could just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "nv" to "nvidia"
[02:28] <cenerentola> hi tere
[02:28] <cenerentola> ...*
[02:28] <sleon> hi
[02:29] <sleon> does ubuntu has xorg 6,8.1?
[02:29] <kensai> daniels, ahh I though that didn't worked on Ubuntu, Vah thats easy then ;)
[02:29] <sleon> if yes then how to install it
[02:29] <stvn> sleon: yes
[02:29] <kensai> sleon, upgrade to hoary
[02:30] <sleon> kensai how to do it?
[02:31] <kensai> sleon, in /etc/apt/sources.list change everything that says warty to hoary
[02:31] <kensai> sleon, Warning: You'll get unstable
[02:32] <stvn> sleon: be aware that hoary is the current development version of ubuntu, it is not as stable as warty
[02:32] <sleon> ok
[02:32] <sleon> BUT
[02:32] <sleon> my vid card in notebook works only with Xor
[02:32] <sleon> g
[02:32] <sleon> :(
[02:32] <daniels> what video card?
[02:33] <sladen> sleon: warty (stable) is XF4 + 320,000 lines of patches.  hoary (development) is Xorg
[02:33] <sleon> via chrome
[02:33] <daniels> fabbione: did we end up backporting unichrome, or not?
[02:33] <sladen> sleon: the Xvesa driver should work
[02:33] <sleon> i know
[02:33] <sleon> but i want accelerated dvd playback
[02:33] <fabbione> daniels: no
[02:33] <fabbione> it was broken
[02:34] <daniels> rockin'
[02:34] <daniels> i think i'm going to backport it for xorg
[02:34] <cenerentola> i've got a problem with the wifi gateway, if i try "sudo route add default gateway 192.168.1.1" it says "SIOADDRT:Network is unreachable"
[02:34] <stvn> there are no ati/radeon 3D drivers for xorg in ubuntu yet, right?
[02:35] <daniels> stvn: of course there are
[02:35] <daniels> stvn: warty and hoary both support full 3D acceleration for the r1xx/r2xx series (i.e. everything up to and including the Radeon 9250)
[02:35] <cenerentola> is there any way to use the mac address of the gateway?
[02:35] <sleon> i can not remove xprt-xprintorg
[02:35] <sleon> i get an error
[02:35] <sleon> FATAL ERROR
[02:35] <sleon> how to remove it?
[02:36] <daniels> sleon: you'll need to be more specific -- the exact text of the error
[02:36] <sleon> post-install process returned error 1
[02:36] <sladen> cenerentola: you'll need to adjust those IP addresses for your own setup
[02:36] <daniels> the entire exact text of the error
[02:36] <sleon> FATAL ERROR : Uknown XProjectRoot
[02:36] <sleon> ok
[02:36] <sleon> moment
[02:36] <sleon> i active gpm and paste it
[02:36] <cenerentola> sladen: what do you mean? it all worked since yesterday night..
[02:37] <cyberdrek> cenerentola, is your net card on that network?
[02:37] <daniels> cenerentola: change 'gateway' to 'gw'
[02:37] <Kamion> sleon: only paste if it's a small number of lines
[02:37] <cenerentola> daniels: sorry i mistyped... ima already using gw
[02:37] <cenerentola> can rp_filter cause it?
[02:37] <sleon> Kamion 15 Lines
[02:37] <sleon> where to paste it??
[02:37] <cenerentola> pastebin.com
[02:38] <sleon> i have no X
[02:38] <cenerentola> upss.
[02:38] <sleon> and no browser
[02:38] <sleon> so what now?
[02:38] <Kamion> you have w3m surely?
[02:38] <sleon> yes
[02:41] <sleon> how to paste in w3m using console mouse??
[02:41] <sleon> when i do right click context menu opens .....
[02:41] <sleon> middle click is not working
[02:41] <sleon> so what now?
[02:42] <sleon> Entferne xprt-xprintorg ...
[02:42] <sleon> invoke-rc.d: initscript xprint, action "stop" failed.
[02:42] <sleon> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von xprt-xprintorg (--purge):
[02:42] <sleon>  Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck
[02:42] <sleon> invoke-rc.d: initscript xprint, action "restart" failed.
[02:42] <sleon> dpkg: Fehler beim Aufrumen:
[02:42] <sleon>  Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurck
[02:42] <sleon> Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von:
[02:42] <sleon>  xprt-xprintorg
[02:42] <Kamion> bleh, you need to be less impatient
[02:42] <sleon> yes sure, 1 hour to find it out first ...
[02:42] <Sepero0> Hi peeps :)
[02:42] <Kamion> one minute often isn't enough time for people to answer when they're also doing other work
[02:43] <cyberdrek> Maybe you guys can help me solve my issue. I'm using ubuntu warty with the ATI drivers for my radeon 9000 card. I dual screen using the big desktop setting. Works fine with any window managers except for xfce. It runs fine except that I can't access my second monitor. Am I the only one? I've tried asking for help on the xfce channel but the only answer I got was from some lamer that just bitched because he didn't like ATI.
[02:43] <sleon> maybe you are right
[02:43] <sleon> but this where not much to post
[02:43] <Kamion> well, that looks like '/etc/init.d/xprint stop' failed; find out why
[02:43] <stvn> sleon: you could have use #flood
[02:45] <sleon> Kamion thx
[02:45] <stvn> daniels: ah ok, but the fglrx drivers complain about xorg, what driver should i use instead? (i have a radeon 9200) (BTW sorry for the late response, computer crashed )
[02:45] <sleon> Kamion i replace it with line exit 0 :)
[02:46] <sleon> and it woooooooorks :)
[02:46] <daniels> stvn: just use the bog standard driver that comes with xorg
[02:46] <sleon> haha
[02:46] <daniels> stvn: it provides full 3D acceleration for your card, fglrx is pointless
[02:47] <stvn> daniels: heh, I asumed that there was no 3D accel in the bog standard - so assuming ;)
[02:47] <stvn> daniels: btw do you know if also provides tv-out support?
[02:48] <sleon> what is the name of virtual package which installs xorg and all needed libs?
[02:48] <daniels> stvn: the normal one doesn't, but if you're comfortable playing around with development stuff, I can give you a radeon_drv.o that might well do it for you
[02:48] <daniels> sleon: there is none
[02:48] <sleon> daniels x-window-system
[02:49] <sleon> found it :)
[02:49] <daniels> sleon: if xfree86 is already installed, just running apt-get install x-window-system or whatever, will not upgrade to xorg
[02:49] <daniels> if you want to use xorg, then just fully to jump to hoary -- if you're not prepared to jump to hoary, then don't use xorg
[02:49] <sleon> daniels it is already removed
[02:49] <sleon> :)
[02:49] <daniels> 90% of the xorg problems I debug come from mixing environments
[02:50] <daniels> er, you do know that removing that won't remove xfree86/xorg, right?
[02:50] <sleon> daniels yes
[02:50] <sleon> daniels how can i completey upgrade from warty to hoary? apt-get dist-upgrade? (when all sources configured to hoary)
[02:50] <daniels> yes, dist-upgrade
[02:50] <sleon> ok
[02:51] <daniels> but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're comfortable dealing with possible breakage
[02:51] <sleon> daniels are you interested in my feedback?
[02:51] <daniels> and have the skills to deal with it
[02:51] <daniels> sleon: in what regards?
[02:51] <sleon> daniels i have some crapy unichrome notebook card
[02:51] <daniels> sleon: right ...
[02:51] <daniels> i don't believe xorg will help you here
[02:52] <sleon> it works on my perverted kanotirx
[02:52] <sleon> 4.3.0 does not have fupport for it
[02:52] <cyberdrek> daniels: is xinerama support in xorg better than the one in XFree86?
[02:52] <sleon> X.org has
[02:52] <daniels> sleon: bear in mind that 'X.org' is relative
[02:52] <sleon> daniels what does it mean?
[02:52] <daniels> sleon: we have 52,000 lines of patches on top of X.Org right now (some of which is just taken from upstream updates)
[02:52] <daniels> sleon: and everyone else patches X to hell as well
[02:52] <daniels> i don't know whether or not we have the full new unichrome driver
[02:53] <daniels> maybe we do, in which case, check it out
[02:53] <sleon> i do thx
[02:53] <sleon> 52k lines of patches WOW :)
[02:53] <daniels> 52,571, to be exact
[02:53] <mjr> cyberdrek, better in what way? Not xinerama per se, but xorg does eg. support xineramaish dual-head with 3d acceleration for radeons, which xfree does not
[02:53] <sleon> daniels how that much?
[02:53] <sleon> daniels what do you patch ? why is it needed to be patched?
[02:54] <sleon> i is such a pale of junk?
[02:54] <sleon> is it
[02:54] <sleon> daniels hmmmmm
[02:54] <sleon> i heard that Xorg has a native drivers for my card
[02:55] <sleon> so if you have not patched this out, then all should be fine :)
[02:56] <sleon> are there security updates for hoary?
[02:56] <daniels> not to the same level as warty
[02:56] <sleon> ok
[02:56] <sleon> can i contribute money via paypal?
[02:56] <sleon> :D
[02:57] <daniels> sleon: we've taken a lot of the updates proposed for the 6.8.2 release, the rewrite of the Wacom driver so it actually generally works, and our own fixes and tweaks (most of which I've now sent upstream)
[02:57] <cyberdrek> mjr: thanks for the answer. the support being better, I mean, that even if I had my XF86Config-4 configured properly, and checked agains a working version and according to examples on the net also, I still had some problems with XFree86 not seeing the xinerama option. Don't know why but it only worked in single monitor mode.
[02:57] <daniels> you can if you want, there's a link at www.ubuntulinux.org; donating doesn't get you any extra privileges, however
[02:57] <sleon> daniels ;( :))))
[02:57] <sfrank> maybe a dumb question, but i'm curious
[02:58] <mjr> cyberdrek, well it should basically work, even if some features aren't available
[02:58] <sleon> daniels wow, are there real X programs under devs??
[02:58] <sfrank> can i run warty as stably as a debian on my server?
[02:58] <sleon> programers
[02:58] <daniels> sleon: sorry?
[02:58] <sleon> daniels are there real x programmers under the ubuntu developers
[02:58] <sfrank> i'm about buying a new server (amd64)...
[02:58] <daniels> sleon: i work on X upstream, yes, and fabbione also does a bit
[02:58] <sleon> daniels my biggest privilege is to see the project keep going
[02:58] <magnon> sfrank: well, that depends heavily on which debian you're using :)
[02:59] <sleon> daniels thank you
[02:59] <daniels> any time
[02:59] <cyberdrek> mjr: I was talking about XFree86 of course. Not Xorg. Never tried Xinerama on xorg yet. But if you say it works, I'll probably upgrade to it then, and get rid of XFree86.
[02:59] <sfrank> and as far as i now, there is no official sarge binary for amd64, and won't be ever.
[02:59] <daniels> sfrank: i'm sure there will be at some stage
[02:59] <sleon> daniels how big is your programing expirience?
[02:59] <magnon> sfrank: I've been hearing that people have had problems with 64 bit stuff, now that might be a hardware problem, since I've never touched a 64 bit machine (thinking about it, I have. but whatever)
[03:00] <sleon> daniels how to start hacking X and so on, which knowledge do i need
[03:00] <daniels> sleon: not hugely deep; I only started maintaining X early last year, and working on it early this year
[03:00] <daniels> um, not heaps, but a good overview of how X works is essential
[03:00] <magnon> sleon: if you have some general programming knowledge, it shouldn't be harder than doing your work on getting to know the software and libraries
[03:00] <sleon> daniels how long are you programming in C?
[03:01] <sleon> magnon i can java :D
[03:01] <sleon> magnon can i do it now then?
[03:01] <magnon> then you could overlook the TODO lists and whatnot, and start seeing if you can contribute some patches to things that needs work
[03:01] <sfrank> daniels: if you mean alioth (the project), well, it is not considered to be very stable
[03:01] <daniels> sleon: probably about the last three years
[03:01] <sleon> magnon nice
[03:01] <magnon> that way your patches will be reviewed and you can get some feedback too
[03:01] <daniels> sfrank: yah, I know, and they did also give out their archive signing key
[03:01] <sleon> daniels hmm same here, but not intece,
[03:01] <sleon> daniels i have everytime problems with C's segfaults
[03:02] <daniels> sfrank: but, presumably, at some later point in the future, debian will support amd64 (i'd be very, very surprised if Debian didn't)
[03:02] <nevyn> daniels: need to do graphics for pylogo... parser has sufficient functionality.
[03:02] <sfrank> daniels: let's say as stable as sarge?
[03:02] <nevyn> daniels: but not sarge?
[03:02] <daniels> nevyn: you should
[03:02] <sleon> magnon where is this TODO file? in the package source?
[03:02] <magnon> probably
[03:02] <daniels> nevyn: totally not sarge
[03:02] <magnon> ask daniels, I don't know x.org :)
[03:02] <sleon> magnon ok :D
[03:02] <daniels> sleon: we don't have a TODO file, sorry
[03:02] <sleon> daniels hmm :(
[03:02] <sfrank> they do, but never in sarge, but in the upcoming testing...
[03:03] <sleon> daniels :))
[03:03] <daniels> sfrank: as I said
[03:03] <mjr> cyberdrek, yes, and I was saying that xinerama should work quite fine on xfree86 as well
[03:03] <sleon> is there any kind of X.org auto configuration utility?
[03:03] <sfrank> daniels: are you running warty in production?
[03:03] <magnon> sleon: start crawling the mailing lists then
[03:03] <sfrank> daniels: i mean on servers?
[03:04] <daniels> sfrank: yes
[03:04] <mjr> (unless you have a badly supported card or something)
[03:04] <sleon> magnon roger
[03:04] <sfrank> daniels: without any difficulties?
[03:04] <daniels> sfrank: works fine for me
[03:04] <magnon> sfrank: ubuntu has been much less difficult to handle than debian
[03:04] <cenerentola> hello again..
[03:04] <cenerentola> my connection dropped...
[03:04] <sleon> hi babe
[03:05] <baconiaal> hi there! i'm a bit of an ubuntu noob... and i'm trying to load sound drivers, under debian i always use modconf ut i'm trying to find an alternative solution for ubuntu. anyone got a suggestion?
[03:05] <cenerentola> quick question: has ubuntu speedstep kernel support?
[03:05] <cyberdrek> mjr: at the time, I was using the Xvesa driver with my ATI and had xinerama all set up. Anyhow, I will be doing an upgrade to ubuntu hoary later today.
[03:05] <daniels> cenerentola: yes
[03:05] <sfrank> magnon: i'll see how it works e.g in my vpn network, as i site-to-site gateway
[03:06] <cenerentola> daniels: whats the best interface?
[03:06] <sfrank> what about its multimedia features? i've hard it has some issues...
[03:07] <sleon> cenerentola you mean the scaling daemon?
[03:07] <cenerentola> sleon: yes..
[03:07] <sfrank> well i don't wanna do giant tricks, but run my bttv card with xawtv or motv and stuff like that.
[03:08] <cenerentola> sleon: sorry im not use to software engineering...
[03:08] <sleon> cenerentola i use cpufreqd , it scales automatically
[03:08] <cenerentola> *d
[03:08] <sleon> cenerentola there you can define some profiles
[03:08] <magnon> sfrank: in any case you're doing a good job if you're stumbling upon something that is easier to do in Debian proper than ubuntu.
[03:08] <sleon> cenerentola like then you are running dvd playback == FULL CPU SPEED
[03:08] <sleon> cenerentola and so on, or when you are on battery max  saving
[03:09] <sleon> cenerentola and max and min cpufreq
[03:09] <sleon> cenerentola it has some text config file
[03:09] <cenerentola> sleon: thx mate, i
[03:09] <cenerentola> sleon: huu, are they intuitive, or a manual is needed?
[03:10] <sleon> cenerentola i think yes ...
[03:10] <sleon> cenerentola there is other tools thogh : grafikal but i never used them
[03:10] <sleon> cenerentola the manpage is not so big
[03:10] <sleon> cenerentola reading is surely be worth it
[03:11] <sfrank> magnon: i've read so much good words on ubuntu, when i get home this afternoon, i'll give it a go on my workstation ;)
[03:11] <cenerentola> ok im doing thx a lot my friend
[03:11] <sleon> :)
[03:11] <magnon> sfrank: good, you will be pleased :)
[03:11] <sfrank> magnon: are you an active member of the community?
[03:12] <magnon> I try to :)
[03:12] <sfrank> magnon: do you happen to develope sometimes too? :)
[03:13] <magnon> again, I try to :P
[03:13] <cyberdrek> magnon, you try to too much... :)
[03:13] <deFrysk> hmm new gxine in hoary looking good :D
[03:14] <sfrank> magnon: nice ;)
[03:15] <magnon> I loved the fact that hoary opened ftp links in nautilus
[03:18] <cyberdrek> got to go but thank you all for your help.
[03:21] <sleon> daniels Xorg works fine with via driver
[03:23] <deFrysk> new nautilus can be setup as browser in prefs of nautilus now
[03:23] <Slipie> Hey everybody
[03:23] <Slipie> I have a problem installing ubuntu
[03:23] <Slipie> After the setup has scanned for IDE devices is stops with the setup
[03:24] <Slipie> Does anyone know how to solve this problem?
[03:24] <sleon> bye all
[03:31] <Shadow2> my wlan0 shows up with a data rate of 2MB/s and wont let me change the essid/mode/anything using iwconfig. I'm using the wlan drivers from the ubuntu repository
[03:32] <jiyuu0> Shadow2, Computer -> System Configuration -> Networking (add new connection)
[03:32] <Shadow2> yeah been there done that :)
[03:33] <sladen> Shadow2: sudo ifconfig wlan0 down && sudo modprobe -r hostap_pci && sudo modprobe hostap_pci && sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid foobar && sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[03:33] <Treenaks> sladen: what kind of card is it?
[03:34] <sfrank> magnon: do you guys have any idea, why i can't install warty on vmware?
[03:34] <jiyuu0> Shadow2, u shud be able to set essid there
[03:34] <sfrank> is there a particular reason for this?
[03:34] <magnon> I wouldn't know, sorry
[03:34] <jiyuu0> Shadow2, try add a wireless connection there... not sure helps but that's how i setup my wifi
[03:35] <sfrank> i always get the "deboostrap program exited with an error..."
[03:35] <Shadow2> k i'll check it out, cheers
[03:38] <Shadow2> i'm using the wlan prism2_usb module tho
[03:38] <stvn> daniels: If you could give me that radion_drv.o I'll try if I can get TV-out working with it
[03:40] <eruin> default httpd root is in var?
[03:41] <yo2lux> hi
[03:42] <Presskopp> hi yo2lux
[03:42] <yo2lux> i have an installed Ubuntu linux, when the system boot iu receive this error : GRUB loading stage1.5.  Grub Loading Please wait....    Error 18
[03:42] <yo2lux> And system don't boot
[03:43] <yo2lux> the HDD partitioned by ubuntu, default partitions
[03:43] <daniels> stvn: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/i386-radeon_drv.o -- copy to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o
[03:46] <yo2lux> anyone help me ?
[03:46] <stvn> daniels: thanks
[03:46] <Shadow2> bah no luck
[03:46] <eruin> what's the mechanism in ubuntu to start/stop/restart services?
[03:47] <eruin> I'm used to service X start|stop|restart
[03:47] <stvn> eruin: /etc/init.d/<service> start stop restort
[03:47] <eruin> cheers
[03:47] <sladen> sudo /etc/init.d/$service {start,stop}
[03:55] <veran> onjoin from Britney___
[03:55] <veran> god I hate onjoins
[04:00] <veran> ho humm
[04:02] <fabbione> daniels: ?
[04:03] <veran> sup fabbione
[04:04] <jono> hi all
[04:04] <daniels> fabbione: 14:55 < veran> onjoin from Britney___
[04:04] <jono> anyone know of a debian apt source with the latest OOo snapshot?
[04:04] <yo2lux> GRUB loading stage1.5.  Grub Loading Please wait....    Error 18 .. I receive this error, why ?
[04:05] <rdw200169>  corrupt partition?
[04:05] <veran> jono: try apt-get.org
[04:06] <fabbione> daniels: ok
[04:07] <yo2lux> rdw200169 what is corrupt partition, ubuntu don't what the hell do ? because all partition set by default.. I don't touch the partition
[04:09] <rdw200169> i got Error 17 after i fried my ubuntu partition trying to resize it
[04:10] <veran> yo2lux: what was on the disk before hand?
[04:10] <veran> might have a trashed mbr
[04:11] <rdw200169> yeah
[04:11] <veran> do a re-install and manually do the partitioning and see what happens
[04:12] <smo> Error 18: Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[04:12] <smo> it'd appear your machine is old enough to require a seperate /boot partition at the start of the disk.  I'm not sure if the automatic partitioning does that
[04:13] <smo> (it may very well do, I've simply never tried the automagic option)
[04:18] <djpig> just in case someone finds it usefull: I've set up a little packages.d.o copy for ubuntu packages: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[04:18] <djpig> have fun
[04:23] <gommans> Can we expect an official forum for ubuntu?
[04:24] <daniels> gommans: http://www.ubuntuforums.org are the official forums
[04:24] <daniels> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=23540
[04:25] <gommans> ok!
[04:25] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu have a lot of bugs
[04:25] <KeithWeisshar> what's the official way to upgrade ubuntu
[04:25] <KeithWeisshar> using apt-get
[04:26] <veran> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (or apt-get dist-upgrade)
[04:26] <gommans> thanks daniels!
[04:26] <gommans> what is the exact difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[04:26] <eruin> dist-upgrade solves dependencies
[04:26] <Kamion> gommans: see 'man apt-get'
[04:27] <daniels> gommans: no worries.  dist-upgrade will remove packages to achieve a full upgrade if necessary, whereas upgrade will not.
[04:27] <gommans> ok!
[04:27] <gommans> thanks daniels!
[04:28] <gommans> any former mepis users here?
[04:28] <eruin> or to quote synaptic: default upgrade skips upgrades that would introduce conflicts or would require insatlling additional packages, while dist-upgrade attempts to resole conflicts and to fulfill all dependencies of upgrades in a "smart way"
[04:28] <ggi> Is GNOME failing to start for anybody else in the current Hoary?
[04:28] <kensai> what is negaverse?
[04:28] <veran> I prefer the apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[04:28] <eruin> ggi: no
[04:29] <eruin> ggi: nm that, I haven't got todays update
[04:29] <gommans> I prefer gui, synaptic to be precise
[04:29] <eruin> I prefer synaptic to find new apps / search, apt-get to do upgrades
[04:30] <veran> I use synaptic on my laptop right now, am trying the "GUI way" for awahile
[04:31] <Kamion> kensai: negaverse? never heard of it
[04:34] <veran> is there going to be an easy way to reconfigure PAM to auth against a AD domain in hoary?
[04:37] <CardinalSin> afternoon all.
[04:39] <Mayday> what is it that makes stuff show up in the "disk mounter" applet?
[04:43] <kensai> hwta happens in this hour that everybody leaves?
[04:43] <kensai> what*
[04:44] <Gwildor> hahahaha
[04:44] <CardinalSin> must be home time on this time line.
[04:44] <Gwildor> that is true, seems every day
[04:45] <kensai> here is afternoon
[04:45] <Gwildor> 10:45 in the morning here
[04:45] <CardinalSin> it's 17:44 down here on Cape Town South Africa.
[04:45] <CardinalSin> on = in.
[04:45] <kensai> 11:45 morning here
[04:45] <keknehv> Is there any way that I can get one of those cool transparent terminals that I see in other people's screenshots on my desktop?
[04:46] <kensai> keknehv, right click the terminal and edit profile
[04:46] <keknehv> Happy thanksgiving! (if you're in the us)
[04:46] <Gwildor> you too
[04:46] <kensai> I haven't eat turkey and probably will not eat today ;)
[04:47] <kensai> keknehv, after you right click on the terminal and choose change profile go to the effects tab and enable transparent
[04:48] <keknehv> can I then dock it to my desktop?
[04:48] <kensai> I don't know what you mean by that
[04:49] <keknehv> ok... hold on a sec
[04:50] <kensai> hey guys is there an easy way to install 2.6.9. I don't want to compile right now.
[04:50] <kensai> I mean kernel 2.6.9
[04:51] <kensai> everybody is eating turkey by now and praying to their God!
[04:51] <kensai> except for me ;)
[04:51] <Gwildor> im not
[04:51] <Gwildor> no god
[04:51] <kensai> me neither
[04:51] <CardinalSin> nor I.
[04:52] <keknehv> lol... I'm not eating turkey... (yet)
[04:52] <keknehv> Can I make the weather display in my time bar?
[04:52] <veran> turkey for later
[04:52] <kensai> keknehv, well I guess yes just move it there
[04:53] <kensai> Linux is more important than thanksgiving day
[04:53] <kensai> ;)
[04:53] <keknehv> ? just move it there?
[04:53] <keknehv> lol
[04:53] <kensai> keknehv, LOL
[04:53] <keknehv> ...another one to add to the list of "you know you're addicted to linux"
[04:54] <kensai> yeah
[05:17] <jono> hi
[05:17] <jono> which dir is the firefox plugins dir?
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> yo
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> sup
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> anyone there?
[05:19] <ironwolf> whatcha need hawk?
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> yea
[05:19] <Gwildor> im here
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> im looking for a linux os
[05:19] <jono> sup
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> and ubuntu
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> looks promising
[05:19] <}cAs{hawk16> but idk
[05:19] <mike> how do i have to install ati radeon 9600 on x.org?
[05:20] <}cAs{hawk16> I need to know more about ubuntu
[05:20] <Gwildor> its godd, what you need to know?
[05:20] <ironwolf> hawk: try the LiveCD.  Ubunto Linux without installing.
[05:20] <}cAs{hawk16> well can it do everything basically?
[05:20] <}cAs{hawk16> multimedia, coding, server work, etc...
[05:20] <ironwolf> hawk: for most values of everything, yes.
[05:21] <}cAs{hawk16> ok
[05:21] <}cAs{hawk16> it looks cool 2 :)
[05:21] <}cAs{hawk16> I am used to working
[05:21] <}cAs{hawk16> with freebsd and red hat servers
[05:21] <}cAs{hawk16> so like i never used linux graphically
[05:21] <ironwolf> mike: should autodetect.  does it not?
[05:21] <mike> ironwolf: it does. but no 3d accelleration.
[05:21] <ironwolf> hawk: welcome to the new world of Linux Desktops. :)
[05:22] <ironwolf> Daniels around?
[05:22] <}cAs{hawk16> right now im on the only decent windows os, im getting a second hardrive to run linux on
[05:22] <}cAs{hawk16> I don't feel like formatting and partioning
[05:22] <}cAs{hawk16> so im just gonna get a new drive
[05:23] <ironwolf> hawk: cool, you know you can try the LiveCD version without installing yes?
[05:23] <ironwolf> mike: LiveCD or Warty install?
[05:23] <}cAs{hawk16> yes
[05:23] <}cAs{hawk16> can u give me a link?
[05:24] <daniels> ironwolf: yo
[05:24] <mike> ironwolf: it's installed. newest hoary release
[05:24] <ironwolf> hawk: http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/warty-release-live-i386.iso
[05:24] <ironwolf> daniels: can you speak to that radeon 9600 3d accell problem on x.org?
[05:25] <daniels> ironwolf: er, we don't have 3D acceleration for the 9600 at all
[05:25] <ironwolf> daniels: is it coming? or is it dead?
[05:25] <Gwildor> daniels, radeon 7000
[05:25] <daniels> ironwolf: hopefully coming soonish
[05:25] <daniels> Gwildor: hmm?
[05:26] <Gwildor> in XORG
[05:26] <ironwolf> mike: it's coming soonish sayeth the xorg God aka Daniels. :)
[05:26] <daniels> Gwildor: works fine
[05:26] <ironwolf> daniels: thanks.  ps.  Good morning!
[05:26] <mike> ironwolf: aha. and there is no driver support now?
[05:27] <ironwolf> mike: daniels *Xorg God* says the 3d support isn't there yet, but it's coming soon.
[05:27] <daniels> ironwolf: the sun's just setting here
[05:27] <Gwildor> what works fine, sorry, still noobish, the flgrx drivers?
[05:27] <}cAs{hawk16> is ubuntu the best choice you think?
[05:27] <ironwolf> daniels: it's just rising here. :)
[05:27] <stvn> daniels: while on the subject, how to enable 3D support, I enabled RenderAccel, but ET still complains that there's no hardware GL
[05:27] <Gwildor> err last post to daniel
[05:27] <mike> ironwolf: ok, thanks
[05:27] <Gwildor> daniels,
[05:27] <ironwolf> hawk: I think so yes. :)  but I'm biased.
[05:27] <}cAs{hawk16> plus its not mainstream
[05:27] <}cAs{hawk16> which is good
[05:28] <}cAs{hawk16> because mainstream is targetted more (even though linux in a whole isn't mainstream)
[05:28] <eruin> isn't renderaccel an nvidia-only feature ?
[05:28] <ironwolf> hawk: www.distrowatch.com .... it's more mainstream than you think.  Check the popularity ratings.
[05:28] <CardinalSin> does anybody know if the php4_imap package is coming to a Repository near us soon?
[05:28] <Nivlem> Hello all...
[05:29] <daniels> stvn: on which card, sorry?
[05:29] <}cAs{hawk16> do you suggest of anything i should dl when i install ubuntu, or does it come with all the neccessties (i know i need drivers and such)
[05:29] <daniels> Gwildor: for 9600, you will need fglrx, but for the 7000, just the normal drivers will work fine
[05:29] <stvn> daniels: sorry, radeon 9200SE
[05:29] <daniels> eruin: no, the ati drivers in x.org do render accel also
[05:29] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu use the older version of the debian installer than debian testing
[05:30] <daniels> stvn: weird.  if you open a bug at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com and post /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I can take a look at it
[05:30] <KeithWeisshar> i get a red screen that says no network card found
[05:30] <Gwildor> daniels, kk, 1 morew question, i got like 4k+ fps in xfree, now in xorg i get like 2.5k, in glxgears that is
[05:30] <stvn> daniels: ok
[05:30] <ironwolf> php4-imap isn't in hoary universe atm... no clue on when it will be.
[05:30] <Gwildor> daniels, any idea why?
[05:30] <eruin> okay, but the builtin drivers won't do 3d, I assume
[05:30] <daniels> Gwildor: no idea, sorry
[05:30] <Gwildor> daniels, kk, thnx
[05:30] <daniels> eruin: they will, just not for 9550 and above
[05:31] <ironwolf> CardinalSin: no clue when it's coming... I assume it's building. :/
[05:31] <rapha> What is it with archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu? Am I the only one for whom it does not work?
[05:31] <Nivlem> Anyone know where I can get information on figuring out how to mount my firewire drive partitions under Warty? /dev/sdb
[05:31] <ironwolf> hawk: you'll be surprised at what you won't need.  I think gstreamer0.8-mad is useful, but other than that it's fully funcitonal.
[05:31] <daniels> rapha: worksforme
[05:31] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu use an older version of the debian installer than debian sarge installer rc2
[05:32] <rapha> daniels: Reroutes me to www.pool.ntp.org where there is no /ubuntu directory...
[05:32] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: in warty, yes
[05:32] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: seeing as warty was released considerably earlier than rc2
[05:32] <}cAs{hawk16> Is ubuntu in need of a forum community or anything, i gota load of hosting laying around
[05:32] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: are you using the hoary installer?
[05:33] <ironwolf> rapha: works for me, whatcha trying to get/do?
[05:33] <KeithWeisshar> i'm using warty
[05:33] <KeithWeisshar> the warty cd
[05:33] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: what network card?
[05:33] <rapha> ironwolf: Well, first I tried updating my package list, then when that didn't work I tried going there with a web browser.
[05:33] <KeithWeisshar> 3c509b
[05:33] <ironwolf> Kamion: hoary has an installer?
[05:34] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: can you send that information plus the output of 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices' in a bug report, please?
[05:34] <Kamion> ironwolf: yes
[05:34] <KeithWeisshar> i'ts an isa card
[05:34] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: oh, hmm
[05:34] <KeithWeisshar> the newer debian installer asks which card to load the driver for
[05:35] <KeithWeisshar> the newer debian install from debian sarge asks which nic to use
[05:35] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: that's probably not so much a matter of newness as the fact that we run at a higher debconf priority to reduce the number of questions.
[05:35] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: try booting in expert mode, see what you get
[05:36] <KeithWeisshar> the installer that comes with ubuntu just gives a red screen with a back or continue button
[05:36] <Kamion> yes, very likely a bug I didn't catch, sorry
[05:36] <Kamion> try expert mode
[05:37] <KeithWeisshar> also in the partitioning option, the only option is to erase entire disk or manually edit partition, the new sarge installer gives the option to automatically partition free space
[05:37] <KitoQ> I upgraded to Hoary and after a reboot it says: http://www.pain-calls-attention.com/ext/xorg-error.gif   Error activating XKB-Configuration
[05:38] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: I've already put that option back in Hoary
[05:38] <KeithWeisshar> is there an iso for hoary
[05:38] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: there was some ... debate between me and my boss about what the partitioner options should look like in warty :)
[05:38] <Kamion> yes, but I don't recommend it just yet
[05:38] <Treenaks> KitoQ: it lists 2 commands to run.. could you run those and paste the output to www.pastebin.com?
[05:39] <KitoQ> Treenaks ok
[05:40] <KitoQ> Treenaks: here u got it: http://www.pastebin.com/123369
[05:41] <KeithWeisshar> which sarge installer is the ubuntu installer based on
[05:41] <Treenaks> KitoQ: hm, it shouldn't be trying to override the config, and still it complains..
[05:41] <Treenaks> KitoQ: try selecting your keyboard in the gnome keyboard selector again
[05:41] <KitoQ> I tried it
[05:41] <ironwolf> Kamion: does hoary have in install-cd then that's ready for testing?
[05:41] <KitoQ> Treenaks: I tried it, but the error comes again and again
[05:41] <Treenaks> KitoQ: weird
[05:41] <KitoQ> yes
[05:41] <Treenaks> I'd poke daniels :)
[05:42] <Treenaks> he's teh xorg master dude
[05:42] <KitoQ> :D
[05:42] <daniels> thewhatnow?
[05:42] <Treenaks> daniels: xorg master dude.
[05:42] <daniels> cool
[05:43] <Treenaks> daniels: KitoQ kas keyboard problems with xorg: http://www.pastebin.com/123369
[05:43] <daniels> KitoQ: could you please run dpkg -l xlibs xserver-xorg, and paste the two lines starting with 'ii' in here?
[05:43] <KitoQ> eh Thx Treenaks
[05:43] <daniels> Treenaks: yah, just checked that out, thanks dude
[05:43] <xf_> daniels: geez, you're up late too
[05:43] <KitoQ> daniels: ok
[05:43] <daniels> xf_: 4:43pm?
[05:43] <xf_> 3:13am here
[05:43] <xf_> oh, you're not in melbourne?
[05:44] <Treenaks> 17:43 here :)
[05:44] <jordi> xf_: heh
[05:44] <KitoQ> daniels: http://www.pastebin.com/123372
[05:44] <daniels> xf_: nah, London
[05:44] <xf_> ah, why there?
[05:44] <daniels> xf_: *shrug*, just random Ubuntu hacking
[05:44] <Nivlem> Someone tell me other than multiverse, universe, restricted,main what other repositories for Warty?
[05:44] <xf_> cool :)
[05:44] <daniels> KitoQ: bizzare!  could you please dump your /var/log/Xorg.0.log there, also?
[05:45] <KitoQ> daniels: I'll do so
[05:45] <daniels> KitoQ: rad
[05:45] <daniels> xf_: aye :) how're you?
[05:46] <KitoQ> daniels: have fun: http://www.pastebin.com/123373
[05:48] <stvn> Treenaks: que?
[05:48] <deFrysk> sinterklaas ?
[05:48] <deFrysk> ;p
[05:48] <Treenaks> deFrysk: well, the other spain thing ;)
[05:48] <stvn> hehe
[05:49] <deFrysk> :D
[05:49] <stvn> ah that's next week already?
[05:49] <Treenaks> my plane leaves on saturday 4 december
[05:50] <stvn> Treenaks: one day later and it might have been filled with naughty boys ;)
[05:50] <daniels> KitoQ: w ... e ... i ... r ... d ...
[05:50] <KitoQ> daniels: u got it
[05:50] <daniels> KitoQ: what happens if you run the GNOME keyboard tool, and just change something and change it back?
[05:50] <daniels> KitoQ: so you've got all the same settings, but then hit apply and then log out and back in again
[05:50] <Treenaks> it has nothing to do with:
[05:50] <KitoQ> same error occures many times
[05:50] <Treenaks> (**) Option "CustomKeycodes" "off"
[05:50] <Treenaks> (**) Generic Keyboard: CustomKeycodes disabled
[05:50] <Treenaks> ?
[05:50] <stvn> in glxinfo does: "direct rendering: No" mean that there's no hardware accelaration?
[05:50] <KitoQ> daniels: same error occures many times
[05:51] <daniels> KitoQ: hmm
[05:51] <pisuke> stvn, yep
[05:51] <stvn> pisuke: ta
[05:51] <daniels> Treenaks: nope, XKB is really verbose these days, so if there was a problem, you'd get a few lines about being unable to load the compiled keymap
[05:51] <daniels> stvn: yes
[05:51] <pisuke> should be yes for DRI working
[05:52] <KitoQ> I thinks its getting a reinstall thing :)
[05:52] <daniels> KitoQ: that's bizzare
[05:52] <daniels> stvn: heh
[05:52] <daniels> stvn: if you want to file a bug on xserver-xorg at http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com and assign it to daniel.stone@canonical.com, attaching /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log, I'll take a look at it
[05:53] <stvn> daniels: I did, but filed it under xorg instead of xserver-xorg
[05:53] <KitoQ> daniels: I attract bizzare things
[05:53] <stvn> looks like dri is disabled
[05:53] <stvn> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[05:53] <daniels> stvn: sure
[05:55] <daniels> stvn: oh, right
[05:55] <daniels> stvn: rmmod fglrx && modprobe radeon
[05:57] <stvn> daniels: good point, moment
[05:59] <stvn> daniels: that did it :D
[06:00] <aim1159> hi all
[06:00] <aim1159> are there any russians here?
[06:00] <daniels> stvn: rockin'
[06:01] <laurens> aim1159: i'm not russian but i speak some russian
[06:01] <stvn> daniels: closed the bug (4113)
[06:01] <daniels> rad
[06:01] <daniels> thanks
[06:02] <aim1159> laurens: I whant to talk with somebody about russian support in ubuntu
[06:02] <aim1159> it's ugly!
[06:02] <aim1159> for some reason the locale set default to iso-8859-5
[06:02] <aim1159> but the default russian in all unixes is koi8-r
[06:02] <aim1159> then... X-Chat does not have support of koi8-r
[06:03] <aim1159> only window$-1251
[06:03] <laurens> haven't checked it out yet
[06:03] <housetier> would utf-8 work?
[06:03] <housetier>  <- supposed to be Russion, I don't know
[06:04] <housetier> looks cyrillic to me though :)
[06:04] <Gwildor> all greek to me
[06:04] <darkersatanic> housetier: Looks good from here.
[06:04] <darkersatanic> T, R, Ya, M
[06:05] <housetier> http://screenshots.mine.nu/
[06:05] <aim1159> housetier: utf-8 of cause works
[06:05] <housetier> this is how it looks here
[06:05] <aim1159> housetier: i can't see utf-8 since i'm on the koi8-r terminal
[06:05] <aim1159> and don't have a utf-8 locales at all
[06:06] <housetier> you can generate it :)
[06:06] <Gwildor> i like your desktop
[06:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> housetier: you do realize that Russian uses the Cyrillic alphabet, right?
[06:06] <rapha> aim1159: If I right remember, Ubuntu wanted to fully switch to UTF-8 beginning with Hoary
[06:06] <aim1159> what I whant to figure out is the ubuntu positioning as a distio for novice and it would be better to have default locale koi8-r for russians
[06:06] <housetier> LifesizeKenDoll I am sure it does
[06:06] <LifesizeKenDoll> housetier: alright
[06:07] <aim1159> rapha: whell... at least it should have both utf-8 and koi8-r locales for russian language selected since MANY russians use koi8-r on unixes
[06:07] <rapha> housetier: could you write some cyrillic again?
[06:08] <rapha> aim1159: "many russians use" doesn't sound as if _those_ russians are novice computer users.
[06:08] <housetier> rapha  is about all I can write because I have an auto-replace for it
[06:08] <rapha> Ah cool
[06:08] <rapha> This time I could see it.
[06:08] <housetier> I was told it means "hi"
[06:08] <ivar> q: has anyone got multiple monitors enabled on a laptop ?
[06:08] <aim1159> rapha: whell... all russians use koi8-r at IRC. or win-1251.
[06:08] <rapha> trjam...
[06:09] <rapha> never heard that.
[06:09] <rapha> Priviat
[06:09] <rapha> Or Dobra Dan
[06:09] <aim1159> rapha: ir's just a default.
[06:09] <rapha> But "trjam"
[06:09] <sleon> hi
[06:09] <sleon> daniels, when are you planning to integrate unichrome driver into Xorg?
[06:09] <sleon> daniels, is there anything done in this direktion?
[06:09] <rapha> aim1159: So why would UTF-8 not work as a default? housetier and I have set our charsets to UTF-8 and we can exchange cyrillic characters just fine.
[06:10] <daniels> sleon: sometime that's after today and before a month from now
[06:10] <sleon> daniels, are there anyone working on this issue?
[06:10] <daniels> sleon: i've just finished a major hack and slash through both the ati and nvidia drivers, but have kernel work to finish off beforehand
[06:10] <daniels> sleon: just me, but it will get done soon enough
[06:10] <sleon> daniels, can i help?
[06:10] <sleon> daniels, i have some linux experience
[06:11] <sleon> daniels, if i will do it it will be mostly quick and evryone will benefit from it :)
[06:11] <aim1159> rapha: I know this. but all documentation for unixes in russian is point to use koi8-r. and the novice read those docs. at least the must be a faq notice for russians to make 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after install to add koi8-r support
[06:11] <aim1159> the second question -- where did koi8-r gone in X-Chat?
[06:11] <deFrysk> eruin, it work fine ;)
[06:11] <daniels> sleon: you can have a shot if you want, try downloading our xorg source package, but it's rather hairy and unfriendly, I'm afraid
[06:12] <aim1159> I'm sure it has this in default package
[06:12] <sleon> daniels, i have 4 years linux behind me
[06:12] <eruin> deFrysk: I just heard someone had trouble starting it after todays update
[06:12] <eruin> here's hoping ;)
[06:12] <housetier> [18:12:15] Charset changed to: koi8-r
[06:12] <rapha> aim1159: I just checked and I do have KOI8-R in xchat.
[06:12] <housetier> its there
[06:12] <sleon> daniels, tryed a lots of things, integrated it once already
[06:12] <deFrysk> eruin, ooh
[06:12] <sleon> daniels, but how to get your patched xorg?
[06:12] <daniels> sleon: well, if you can throw me debian/patches/000_stolen_from_unichrome_via_driver.diff, I'll happily integrate it
[06:12] <daniels> sleon: apt-get source xorg
[06:13] <eruin> deFrysk: probably a bad move when I *need* it to work to finish off my semester paper :)
[06:13] <sleon> daniels, the other problem is : we need also kernel patch for via_drm
[06:13] <daniels> sleon: fun
[06:13] <sleon> daniels, who is responsible for that?
[06:13] <sleon> fun hello
[06:13] <sleon> :)
[06:13] <rjek> Is hoary safe to upgrade to at the moment?
[06:13] <aim1159> rapha: do you have koi8-r locale set up?
[06:13] <eruin> rjek: define "safe" :P - probably.
[06:14] <aim1159> btw, how can I add/suggest a FAQ entry?
[06:14] <rjek> ie, will I still be able to a) boot, b) log in, c) web browse and ssh out. :)
[06:14] <Nivlem> I am trying to ./configure for gnomebaker...it can't find aclocal-1.4, synaptic isn't finding it...what other repositories might it be hiding in?
[06:14] <eruin> rjek: well I'm on hoary and can do all those things
[06:14] <Rene_S> Probably safer than running Mepis with the xorg package from Hoary slammed into it
[06:14] <aim1159> and a package: console-cyrillic?
[06:14] <rjek> eruin: Did you update today?
[06:14] <sleon> daniels, who is the maintainer of ubuntu kernel?
[06:14] <eruin> rjek: last updates just installed
[06:14] <eruin> I'll be back :)
[06:14] <deFrysk> hoary runs nicely on my box :)
[06:14] <rjek> Heh :)
[06:15] <rapha> aim1159: No, I'm on en_US on this machine and on de_DE on my laptop.
[06:15] <Kamion> ironwolf: the "Array CD" series is announced regularly on mailing lists
[06:15] <rapha> But I see no problem with switching to KOI8-R.
[06:15] <rapha> Make that ru_RU
[06:16] <ironwolf> Kamion: thanks.
[06:16] <daniels> sleon: there's no maintainre for hoary at current, we just fix it as necessary
[06:16] <Kamion> aim1159: we don't have that for any language yet
[06:16] <Kamion> aim1159: oh, sorry, you said "sarge"
[06:16] <sleon> daniels, a ok
[06:17] <deFrysk> wb eruin
[06:17] <rapha> aim1159: there's even a russian localization package for OpenOffice in Synaptic.
[06:17] <deFrysk> or is it e-ruined  now ?
[06:17] <sleon> daniels, is there any general info for package builders?
[06:17] <eruin> ty ;)
[06:17] <Treenaks> are "hack-sessions" planned in Mataro? I think we could get quite a bit of work done in areas like that..
[06:17] <eruin> last upgrades working just fine
[06:17] <rapha> And ls /usr/share/locales tells me there's a ru_RU locale.
[06:17] <eruin> hehe
[06:17] <Kamion> aim1159: sarge has "russian" and "russian-desktop" tasks, so I don't know what you mean
[06:17] <Kamion> Treenaks: I expect rather a lot of the time will be spent hacking
[06:17] <eruin> can't wait for gnome-screenshot to arrive again :P
[06:18] <Treenaks> Kamion: ok, just to be sure :)
[06:18] <eruin> that error message while playing games in cedega is a tad annoying :)
[06:18] <keknehv> How do I list mounted filesystems?
[06:18] <eruin> "mount" ?
[06:18] <rjek> "mount"
[06:18] <rjek> snap!
[06:18] <Treenaks> keknehv: type 'mount'
[06:18] <keknehv> DOH
[06:18] <deFrysk> mount ?
[06:18] <keknehv> lol... I think i'll go and cry in a corner now...
[06:18] <eruin> hehe
[06:19] <PotajiTo> wenas
[06:20] <aim1159> Kamion: so I just whant some progs from russian and russian-desctop tasks to be added to upcoming release of ubuntu
[06:20] <aim1159> at least vocabulary for ispell/aspell and console-cyrillic
[06:21] <Kamion> aim1159: that's something we're planning to brush up in general for hoary
[06:21] <Kamion> aim1159: it's not just Russian
[06:22] <keknehv> if a device (/dev/hdd1) shows up, does that mean it can be mounted?
[06:23] <deFrysk> it means it IS mounted ?
[06:23] <keknehv> basically, I'm trying to back up some OLD (400 MB, 1.2GB) fat hard drives
[06:23] <eruin> it means it's already mounted, yeah
[06:24] <eruin> mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /media/oldfatdrivex :)
[06:24] <keknehv> I've already done the first one, but when I try to mount the second one (/dev/hdd1) I get an error message
[06:24] <keknehv> That's what I was doing
[06:24] <eruin> and the error message is?
[06:24] <keknehv> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdd1 /mnt/ancient2
[06:24] <keknehv> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd1,
[06:24] <keknehv>        or too many mounted file systems
[06:24] <keknehv> sortof annoying
[06:25] <ravenqr> i just installed ubuntu...but never had a chance to setup a passwd for root? how can I do this?
[06:25] <eruin> hmm, try fat instead of vfat
[06:25] <Treenaks> does /dev/hdd1 exist, does /mnt/ancient2 exist, is /dev/hdd1 vfat?
[06:25] <keknehv> use sudo
[06:25] <daniels> sleon: not really, sorry
[06:25] <keknehv> sudo passwd root
[06:25] <keknehv> And when it asks for password, enter your own
[06:25] <eruin> ravenqr: do you really need to?
[06:25] <keknehv> BTW, how do I enable root Gnome logins?
[06:25] <ravenqr> cool thx bro
[06:25] <Treenaks> ravenqr: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo for the reasons that Ubuntu has for not allowing root access by default
[06:25] <stvn> daniels: any pointers on tv-out with your radeon_drv module?
[06:26] <sleon> daniels, :)
[06:26] <Treenaks> keknehv: you do NOT want root X logins
[06:26] <keknehv> sure thing
[06:26] <keknehv> Why not?
[06:26] <daniels> stvn: 'should hopefully work'
[06:26] <keknehv> I can get root console...
[06:26] <stvn> daniels: lol
[06:26] <kensai> what is negaverse? I've heard of universe and multiverse but not negaverse
[06:26] <keknehv> Why not X?
[06:26] <stvn> daniels: I meant, how to enable it ;)
[06:26] <sleon> daniels, ok, what is the command to build a xorg package?
[06:26] <keknehv> NEGAverse?
[06:26] <Treenaks> keknehv: root console is to fix a broken system
[06:26] <Treenaks> keknehv: or to update or something
[06:26] <sleon> daniels, ok
[06:26] <keknehv> And to do other stuff
[06:26] <deFrysk> also vegaverse for veggies
[06:26] <Treenaks> keknehv: there's no such benefit in running an X root sessino
[06:26] <Eon|> Anyone knows how can i disable agpgart module? I want to use NVAGP.
[06:26] <kensai> deFrysk, that one I have already ;)
[06:26] <keknehv> But what if I want to?
[06:27] <cenerentola> xmms or ... what's your choice?
[06:27] <Treenaks> Eon|: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:27] <keknehv> There's no benefit to a lot of crap in apt-get... but you can get it anyways
[06:27] <Treenaks> keknehv: you should not want to unless you know how to do it on your own :)
[06:27] <Treenaks> keknehv: see it as a fail-safe :)
[06:27] <stvn> keknehv: it's a security hazard to run X as root, besides you can alwyas run specific programs as root if needed
[06:27] <keknehv> ok... I guess I'll have to look into it then...
[06:27] <eruin> keknehv: gdmsetup
[06:28] <eruin> allow root to login
[06:28] <eruin> if you really, really must
[06:28] <Treenaks> eruin: don't spoil the learning experience here
[06:28] <keknehv> lol
[06:28] <keknehv> Already ruined
[06:28] <keknehv> :d
[06:28] <keknehv> :D
[06:28] <deFrysk> running x as root is Not done (exept in lindows/linspire :s)
[06:28] <daniels> stvn: it's not working right now?
[06:28] <daniels> sleon: debuild -us -uc
[06:28] <Treenaks> keknehv: Anyway, you probably want to run single programs as root, use gksudo for that :)
[06:28] <keknehv> ok
[06:29] <keknehv> Is there any (linu||uni)x specific networking protocol?
[06:29] <sleon> daniels, i found a readme in debian directory
[06:29] <keknehv> I know that linux can do samba, and mac networks, and OS/2 networks...
[06:29] <eruin> bah, I remember when my only contact with "root" was on a shell I had for moo... seemed so mysterious and all-powerful back then
[06:29] <TheCan> hi. i've chosen "english" in the installer but i want also the german locales available. is there any package i need to install or do i have to regenerate the locales or something?
[06:29] <stvn> daniels: I've got a tv connected to tv-out but it doesn't do anything, I assumed I had to set something in linux first, but i'll search for signal on the TV now
[06:29] <PotajiTo> hi
[06:29] <eruin> like a computer god
[06:29] <Treenaks> keknehv: aren't OS/2 networks the same as samba? :)
[06:30] <keknehv> But does it have its own networking protocols (other than ssh, etc)
[06:30] <keknehv> no
[06:30] <keknehv> OS/2 uses IPX
[06:30] <Treenaks> stvn: uh... signal should be on your TV's SCART IN
[06:30] <keknehv> doesn't it?
[06:30] <Treenaks> stvn: aka the "VCR" channel
[06:30] <Treenaks> stvn: unless you have some scary RF thing there
[06:30] <PotajiTo> i have an nvidia card, with it's drivers installed, now i want to switch to an ati... how can i do that?i mena the drivers... xorg.. and that things
[06:31] <daniels> sleon: cool
[06:31] <Gwildor> dont do it
[06:31] <keknehv> don't. ati has very little linux support
[06:31] <daniels> PotajiTo: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "nv" or "nvidia" to "ati"
[06:31] <Treenaks> PotajiTo: you can't run nvidia drivers on an ati card, but it shuold be as easy as just following the HOWTO on the site again
[06:31] <PotajiTo> thanks
[06:31] <daniels> stop trollig, dudes
[06:31] <PotajiTo> then i will have to install the ati propietary drivers
[06:31] <keknehv> trollig?
[06:31] <PotajiTo> are they via apt?
[06:31] <Gwildor> sorry, want trying to troll
[06:32] <Eon|> Treenaks: they dont mention anything about agpgart there?
[06:32] <Gwildor> use ati myself
[06:32] <stvn> Treenaks: hm maybe I did the wrong thing (TM) then, I discovered a yellow female plug on the TV and a tv-out2idemplug in the videocard box and decided to connect those two
[06:32] <Treenaks> PotajiTo: just follow http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto  again
[06:32] <cenerentola> now.. that the cream is gathered: what's your audio player?
[06:33] <cenerentola> dont say sth like alpine, kenwood...
[06:33] <eruin> muine / rhythmbox 0.9
[06:33] <eruin> the latter for burning
[06:33] <cenerentola> ok thank you.
[06:33] <ivar> q: is there an easy way to get ubuntu to start in text mode (ie: not use xlogin by default) ?
[06:33] <cenerentola> what's next? its a poll
[06:34] <melazyboy> ivar, stop gdm from starting..
[06:34] <eruin> can't you just add a "3" to the grub line or something?
[06:35] <ivar> melazyboy, cool thanks.. i didn't know the name of the app..
[06:35] <deFrysk> killall gdm
[06:37] <aim1159> aim1159_: 
[06:37] <aim1159_> aim1159_:   :((((
[06:37] <melazyboy> now thats annoying..
[06:38] <deFrysk> nederlands spreken mensen
[06:38] <melazyboy> I need to take tempfs out of my kernel tree anyone know where it resides?
[06:38] <housetier> aim1159 what does   mean?
[06:39] <aim1159> housetier: i was testing russian. sorry. I didnt mention to type /msg before the string
[06:39] <housetier> well what does it mean? :)
[06:41] <martinp> I've got a question about apt-package management. Since recently I get the message "Depends: libexpat1 but 1.95.6-8 is to be installed" when trying to upgrade packets.
[06:41] <sleon> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[06:41] <melazyboy> w00t got alsa working!
[06:42] <sleon> how to fix that?
[06:42] <sleon> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:        LANGUAGE = (unset),        LC_ALL = (unset),       LANG = "de_DE.UTF-8"
[06:42] <melazyboy> ~
[06:42] <melazyboy> ;
[06:42] <melazyboy> ;;k;
[06:42] <melazyboy> k
[06:42] <}cAs{hawk16> yo
[06:43] <melazyboy> fuckdroppedkeyboardandbrokespacebar
[06:44] <daniels> heh
[06:44] <grelli> hehe
[06:44] <housetier> martinp what did you do before "recently"?
[06:44] <}cAs{hawk16> ubuntu owns
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> only good thing about thanksgiving is the food
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> it sucks knowing i have to go to my aunts and sit there in front of a bunch of annoying kids
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> and my laptop is broken
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> (fried hardrive)
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> so i cant do nothing
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> just sit there and wait for food
[06:46] <}cAs{hawk16> i hate this holiday
[06:47] <grelli> }cAs{hawk16 set them on fire
[06:47] <grelli> they're less anoying that way
[06:47] <}cAs{hawk16> lmao
[06:47] <hawk16> ok
[06:48] <hawk16> whats the name of that bitorrent client, not bitornado but it uses your browser
[06:48] <PotajiTo> .. grelli believe me they aren't
[06:48] <martinp> housetier: i was unsatisfied with the number of packets available
[06:48] <eruin> anyone know how to create a textfile containing md5sums of files in a directory? (recursive)
[06:48] <martinp> so I borked my apt lists I think
[06:48] <martinp> I'm feeling completely guilty.
[06:49] <hawk16> ever format then 10 days later u forgot to back something up and you feel like an asshole?
[06:49] <housetier> martinp I was assuming as much, now paste it to a pastebin, sial.org/pbot for example, so we can investigate and fix it
[06:49] <Rene_S> Yeah i do that all the time
[06:49] <Gwildor> every time
[06:50] <martinp> Uh, do what? I'm completely new to Ubuntu/Debian ...
[06:50] <housetier> martinp well you changed your sources.list didtn you?
[06:50] <Gwildor> www.patebin.com
[06:50] <Gwildor> paste your sourcelist there, paste the url it gives you here
[06:50] <martinp> yes, though I changed it back
[06:51] <housetier> martinp did you apt-get update too?
[06:51] <martinp> I included some debian stuff as I hoped I'd find things like java or eclipse
[06:51] <martinp> yes I did
[06:51] <hawk16> whats a good bitorrent client besides bitornado?
[06:51] <kapputu> I'm surprised that there is no firefox room here
[06:51] <kent> hawk16, azareus
[06:51] <kapputu> need help with firefox ppl
[06:51] <deFrysk> patAzureus rules
[06:51] <martinp> I think I might have installed some debian packages where I should better not ...
[06:51] <deFrysk> -pat
[06:51] <kapputu> How do I get things on the bookmark toolbar ?
[06:52] <housetier> kapputu there is a specail bookmarks folder for that
[06:52] <deFrysk> kapputu, add bookmart --> tooolaaar
[06:52] <deFrysk> mark
[06:52] <deFrysk> b
[06:52] <deFrysk> geez
[06:52] <deFrysk> stupid fingers
[06:52] <ljlane> or just drag and drop to the bookmarks toolbar
[06:52] <kent> kapputu, you move them there?  Firefox 1.0 lets you do that when you add bookmarks, i think the firefox in Ubuntu only lets you do that in "manage bookmarks" on the menu
[06:53] <stvn> Treenaks: heb jij eigenlijk tv-out werkend?
[06:53] <kapputu> yep got it
[06:53] <housetier> martinp well that complicates things of course. *I*'d know how to fix it, it'll be very difficult for you though
[06:53] <hawk16> they should put .isos on sourceforge
[06:53] <kapputu> I think when you add a bookmark, you store it in the bookmarks toolbar folder
[06:53] <hawk16> .iso's
[06:54] <kapputu> it does that by default in IE but not in ubuntu
[06:54] <hawk16> IE is only good on my operatign system :)
[06:54] <hawk16> it sucks on everything else
[06:54] <hawk16> like xp etc...
[06:54] <martinp> mh
[06:54] <deFrysk> is there a moderator here ?
[06:54] <eruin> IE has a borked box model. It's not good for anything.
[06:55] <deFrysk> all those bad words
[06:55] <housetier> martinp are you up to a private conversation?
[06:55] <martinp> Is it something like the ubuntu packages depend on the ubuntu-libexpat and I accidentally installed the debian one?
[06:55] <housetier> it might be a rather lengthy one...
[06:55] <martinp> yes
[06:55] <kent> deFrysk, what bad words?
[06:55] <deFrysk> Xp IE and more....
[06:56] <hawk16> I have windows server 2003 installed rightg now (im getting second hardrive for linux, dont bash me) and IE has a lot more secruity on it
[06:56] <deFrysk> there!
[06:56] <deFrysk> another one
[06:56] <hawk16> ?
[06:56] <housetier> I don't care about windows in #ubuntu
[06:57] <hawk16> yes
[06:57] <hawk16> i know
[06:57] <deFrysk> IE = a spywaresucker
[06:57] <hawk16> is anywhere here using xchat?
[06:57] <housetier> hawk16 almost all in #xchat are
[07:01] <cali> hi
[07:01] <cali> How do I set the domainname in ubuntu?
[07:01] <Eon|> Anyone knows how can i disable agpgart module? I want to use NVAGP.
[07:02] <Gwildor> anyone have any luck with a Intel pro 2200bg wireess lan card??
[07:02] <Gwildor> what WM you use?
[07:02] <gwak> cali: computer->system configuration->networking [general[
[07:02] <Gwildor> oops wrong xhat
[07:03] <FluFlo> Eon|, the nvidia module has an option to choose the AGP
[07:04] <cali> gwak: thx, I will try this
[07:05] <kent> Is ubuntu able to burn dvd's on a default installation or do I need to install another package to be able to do that?
[07:05] <imanewbie__> does anyone here uses pascal and kdeveloper?
[07:05] <gwak> are may people here running HoaryHedgehog?
[07:05] <cenerentola> gwildor: your media player choice is?
[07:05] <eruin> gwak: probably most of us
[07:06] <Gwildor> idk, rythmbox for music, totem for movies
[07:06] <gwak> eruin: great -- i will try upgrading tomorrow at work
[07:06] <eruin> cenerentola: same here
[07:06] <kent> gwak, im not. (well, i run it in vmware just to se how it comes up.. )
[07:06] <Gwildor> i run hoary, gwak
[07:06] <ravenqr> anybody in here installed quake3 w/out a chroot?
[07:06] <sleon> i run horrory
[07:07] <PotajiTo> can I manage a ubuntu pc from a windows one? like virtual desktop or something
[07:07] <Rene_S> I like amarok for music and kaffeine for movies
[07:07] <Gwildor> KDE?
[07:07] <sleon> QT
[07:07] <Rene_S> No, I just make em work in Gnome
[07:07] <kent> PotajiTo, you can always log in via ssh :)
[07:07] <cali> gwak: do you know what does the grafical network-config tool, I mean which text file das it change?
[07:08] <kent> cali /etc/network/*
[07:08] <cenerentola> thx... does rythmbox play streams?
[07:08] <Gwildor> idk, dont listemn to them, but ithink it comes with a list already,
[07:08] <hawk16> having 1gb of ram is the shit
[07:08] <sleon> cenerentola, yes, but crashes a lot
[07:08] <Gwildor> cenerentola, that was to you
[07:08] <sleon> cenerentola, use better streamtuner for that
[07:09] <sleon> cenerentola, it is very good
[07:09] <cenerentola> stream tuner... is not a player...
[07:09] <sleon> it is only for playing shoutcast streams
[07:09] <cali> kent: I do not find an option for dnsname in /etc/network/*
[07:09] <kent> cali, dns is in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:09] <sleon> apt-get install streamtuner
[07:09] <cenerentola> no... it needs an external player... afaik
[07:09] <sleon> cenerentola, yes, but it works bettter then rhytmbox
[07:09] <cenerentola> sleon: i already usite
[07:10] <cenerentola> sleon : ...use it
[07:10] <cenerentola> sleon: i need a player actually..
[07:10] <gwak> kent: also /etc/resolv.conf
[07:10] <cali> kent: the dnsname for my local box is in /etc/resolv.conf?
[07:11] <gwak> kent: these settings can be  overridden by dhcp i think
[07:11] <imanewbie__> does apt-get has an search option?
[07:11] <imanewbie__> I need to install free pascal
[07:12] <Kamion> apt-cache search
[07:12] <gwak> apt-cache search <regex term>
[07:12] <PotajiTo> hum imanewbie__ apt-cache search package
[07:12] <cali> for kerberos I have to set a dnsname, where could I do that
[07:12] <kent> cali, hmm, do you mean the name in /etc/hostname?
[07:12] <ogra>  /msg NickServ identify ogra ogra
[07:12] <ogra> argh
[07:12] <sleon> hrhrhrhr
[07:12] <cenerentola> hi ogra
[07:12] <imanewbie__> root@isengard:/home/imanewbie # apt-cache search fpc
[07:12] <sleon> ogra, now you need to change the password
[07:12] <imanewbie__> srecord - Manipulate EPROM load files
[07:12] <ogra> hehe
[07:12] <ogra> silly me
[07:12] <ogra> hi all
[07:12] <cali> kent: no
[07:13] <ogra> :)
[07:13] <ogra> hi
[07:13] <ogra> my name is ogra
[07:13] <cenerentola> hi.. mine is oliver
[07:13] <Gwildor> ogra|bot
[07:13] <gwak> my name is gwak and i am a ...... ;-] 
[07:14] <sleon> :))
[07:14] <sleon> ogra, HRHRHR
[07:14] <sleon> ogra, :DDDDDDDDDDD
[07:14] <ogra> grrr
[07:14] <ogra> :)
[07:14] <sleon> ogra, :p
[07:15] <imanewbie__> I need kdeveloper to use gpc instead o fpc =/
[07:16] <Phr0stByte> imanewbie__: try Anjuta
[07:16] <imanewbie__> Phr0stByte: too buggy
[07:16] <Phr0stByte> imanewbie__: Works wonderfully for me
[07:17] <sleon> imanewbie__, eclipse?
[07:17] <gwak> Phr0stByte: yea i 2nd eclipse
[07:17] <Phr0stByte> imanewbie__: eclipse is also nice
[07:18] <imanewbie__> sleon: I got kdevelop running I just need to iscover how to set the compiler path
[07:18] <sleon> imanewbie__, a ok
[07:18] <sleon> imanewbie__,  i fought you need to switch :D
[07:18] <sleon> imanewbie__, then ask not here but by #kdevelop
[07:20] <Gwildor> anyone have anylike with centrino wireless
[07:20] <Gwildor> any luck*
[07:20] <gwak> yea ipw2100 on a ibm X31
[07:20] <tyrano> yeh
[07:20] <Gwildor> gwak,what did it take to get it working?
[07:21] <tyrano> ipw2200 on asus m68Ne
[07:21] <ogra> Gwildor: lots of ppl .... execpt cenerentola i guess
[07:21] <Tomcat_> Anybody have any information on SVHS out connectors and Linux?
[07:21] <Gwildor> 2200bg is the chip in question
[07:21] <imanewbie__> no one there knows
[07:21] <tyrano> i just bought the cd in ;O
[07:21] <RubenV> how does the ipw2200bg behave?
[07:21] <ogra> cenerentola: or does it work now ?
[07:21] <tyrano> bought = put :|
[07:21] <RubenV> is it a good chipset?
[07:21] <Gwildor> is it eay in ubuntu, or does it take some configuring
[07:21] <gwak> Gwildor: a  kernel patch for ACPI -- and latest ipw2100 driver -- but it worked out of the box -- just no suspend support
[07:22] <RubenV> (does it work wel on long range)
[07:22] <RubenV> i'm thinking of buying one
[07:22] <RubenV> mini pci
[07:22] <Gwildor> RubenV, idk a friend ahs it
[07:22] <tyrano> i would rather have an orinoco gold card with external antenna, but it works just fine
[07:22] <tyrano> ;O
[07:22] <Gwildor> gwak, it works out of the box, but with no suspend, and you did the kernal patch, and drivers to get suspend?
[07:23] <gwak> i find the newer laptops mac/pc with the ant built into the display is far better then any pcmcia card
[07:23] <RubenV> gwak: true
[07:23] <tyrano> never
[07:24] <gwak> Gwildor: yep -- the iwp2100/2200 dev's (intel) are very active
[07:24] <Gwildor> gwac, kk, a friend of  mine is having a hard time geting to work with FC3, but i think he may switch to ubntu
[07:24] <KeithWeisshar> how do i manually configure the isa nic in ubuntu
[07:24] <gwak> Gwildo: i have random x11 corruption once and a while w/ S3 (suspend to ram i think) which i can fix by then suspending to disk
[07:25] <KeithWeisshar> it's currently not working after installation
[07:25] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: what kind of card is it ?
[07:25] <KeithWeisshar> there is no manual configuration of the nic in ubuntu installer as there is in the original debian rc2 installer
[07:25] <KeithWeisshar> it's a 3c509b isa
[07:25] <tyrano> suspend to ram is a bitch a as it is :|
[07:25] <KeithWeisshar> 3com
[07:26] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: could you try: lsmod |grep 3c509
[07:26] <gwak> tyrano: yea it sucks when im sitting in a metting w/ people w/ apple/ms laptops and they see my screen corrupted
[07:26] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: in a terminal....
[07:27] <KeithWeisshar> i didn't get a prompt to select the nic during install
[07:27] <TheCan> any way i can get APM apart from compiling my own kernek?
[07:27] <TheCan> k=l
[07:27] <gwak> TheCan: in ubuntu no
[07:27] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: switch to tty2, modprobe the thing you need?
[07:27] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: you shouldnt....normally its autodetected
[07:27] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: did you try expert mode, like I suggested?
[07:27] <KeithWeisshar> only the original sarge installer had a list of nics during install
[07:27] <TheCan> yes in ubuntu :D
[07:28] <ogra> TheCan: add a line reading apm
[07:28] <ogra> TheCan: to /etc/modules
[07:28] <gwak> TheCan: maybe i do see the apm mod ules
[07:28] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: in response to your earlier question about what version of the sarge installer ours is based on, it's not possible to give an answer to that; debian-installer is made up of lots of packages, and we merge them gradually and semi-independently
[07:28] <KeithWeisshar> is there a command in terminal to configure the nic manually
[07:28] <TheCan> umm but doesnt the kernel have acpi compiled in by default?
[07:28] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: warty is roughly somewhere around rc1 with some later bits
[07:29] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: modprobe <whatever-module-you-need>
[07:29] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: sudo modprobe 3c509
[07:29] <Kamion> ogra: no sudo
[07:29] <ogra> Kamion: ??
[07:29] <Kamion> ogra: *installer*
[07:29] <ogra> Kamion: ahh, i see....your domain.....i'll keep silent then :)
[07:30] <Kamion> ogra: oh, unless he's talking about after the install, in which case you're correct
[07:30] <ogra> Kamion: yep  ;)
[07:30] <Kamion> I can't tell because I think he's ignoring my questions :(
[07:30] <KeithWeisshar> the sarge rc2 installer had an option to manually configure the nic card
[07:30] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: are you reading what I'm saying?
[07:30] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: this is not sarge....
[07:30] <KeithWeisshar> after the install
[07:30] <KeithWeisshar> how do i load 3c509b each time i boot
[07:31] <Kamion> add it to /etc/modules
[07:31] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: sudo gedit /etc/modules
[07:31] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: add the line: 3c509
[07:32] <KeithWeisshar> should the sound card be configured with alsaconf
[07:33] <KeithWeisshar> it's an isa onboard sound
[07:33] <KeithWeisshar> the aptiva is 6 years old
[07:33] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: it should also work out of the box, but isa is always a prob....
[07:33] <KeithWeisshar> it has amd k6-2/300 with 128mb
[07:33] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: do you know the chipset of the soundcard ?
[07:34] <KeithWeisshar> crystal cs4235
[07:34] <ravenqr> is there a way that I can use apt-get to fetch all *-dev packages??
[07:34] <ravenqr> in one command
[07:34] <KeithWeisshar> is ubuntu only good for pci devices
[07:35] <kent> KeithWeisshar, i think he/she mean that its a problem for linux, not just ubuntu.
[07:35] <ogra> kent: he, thanks....
[07:35] <KeithWeisshar> why does linux have detection problems with isa devices
[07:36] <KeithWeisshar> it can't autodetect isa devices
[07:36] <ogra> kent: but as ubuntu aims to get it all working out of the box, i see it as a bug until it works ;)
[07:36] <KeithWeisshar> do i need to replace the pc
[07:36] <beli> hi there...what's special about ubuntu? what's "new" or "different" to other distributions of linux?
[07:36] <KeithWeisshar> with more pci slots and no isa support
[07:37] <bob2> ravenqr: you can't do that, they conflict
[07:37] <bob2> beli: www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:37] <gwak> TheCan: i think inorder to disable ACPI and enable APM you will need to pass params to grub something like apm=on
[07:38] <melazyboy> Has the issue with fglrx and xorg been resolved yet?
[07:38] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: try: sudo modprobe snd-cs4236
[07:38] <gwak> TheCan: not sure what the arg is to disable acpi
[07:38] <ogra> gwak: acpi=off
[07:38] <gwak> orga: cheers ;-] 
[07:39] <ogra> TheCan: but you dont need that
[07:39] <ogra> TheCan: at least i dont need it on any amp box
[07:39] <ogra> apm
[07:39] <ogra> TheCan: just adding the module should be enough
[07:40] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: there's support for isa devices, but it's not well-tested, largely because not many of the developers have any any more
[07:40] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: it's probably a relatively small change to fix your case though
[07:40] <Kamion> KeithWeisshar: which is why I asked if you could please file a bug so it ends up on my to-do list
[07:41] <gwak> Orga: just curious if there is any conflict having APM and ACPI running in the kerenl at the same time ?
[07:41] <cyberdrek> daniels, I'm now onto ubuntu unstable with Xorg. Would you be able to tell me how to get Xinerama working. I configured xorg.conf the same way I did with XFree86 but no Xinerama. :(
[07:41] <TheCan> ogra, i think i'll try then a custom kernel maybe..
[07:41] <Kamion> gwak: you can only use one or the other
[07:42] <daniels> cyberdrek: i'm not sure, sorry.  never used it myself.
[07:42] <ogra> gwak: if there is no acpi interface detected, it just deactivates itself
[07:42] <TheCan> ogra, for disabling acpi it's just ACPI=off
[07:42] <ogra> TheCan: yep, but lower case
[07:42] <cyberdrek> daniels, okydoky.. Thank you.
[07:42] <daniels> cyberdrek: no worries
[07:43] <TheCan> ok
[07:43] <TheCan> well i have an acpi interface in my machine
[07:43] <TheCan> but for example battery status doesnt work with it :/
[07:43] <ogra> TheCan: sony laptop ?
[07:43] <TheCan> ogra, ibm
[07:43] <ogra> TheCan: same here with an ancient sony...but apm works well
[07:44] <TheCan> ogra, acpi works for me in NetBSD on it...but standby and hibernation also dont work there in acpi
[07:44] <TheCan> so i think APM is really better for it..
[07:44] <gwak> TheCan: how old is your IBM ?
[07:45] <TheCan> gwak, about 4-5 years - a thinkpad T20 (first of the t-series)
[07:45] <TheCan> i normally i dont use linux, but vpnc makes a lot of trouble in netbsd so i wanted to try it in linux to try to find the problem with it
[07:46] <gwak> TheCan:have you tried the ibm-acpi module? http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/
[07:46] <TheCan> is it in universe or something?
[07:46] <ravenqr> how come i cannot find the cdrdao in apt-get??
[07:46] <m00se> hi is there some way to fix galeon in hoary?
[07:47] <gwak> TheCan: apt-cache search ibm-acpi (not in warty)
[07:47] <bob2> m00se: "fix"?
[07:47] <bob2> ravenqr: it's in universe
[07:47] <m00se> bob2, galeon: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:48] <ogra> hmm, ibm-apci is now also available in the recent mm-kernel v2.6.10-rc1-mm1
[07:48] <ogra> no chance ...
[07:49] <bob2> m00se: do you have whatever package created that installed?
[07:49] <ravenqr> bob2: i have universe in my apt-sources
[07:49] <ravenqr> it's weird
[07:50] <ravenqr> is it a diff package name?
[07:50] <bob2> cdrdao - Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs
[07:50] <m00se> bob2, i think yesterday's upgrade removed libnautilus.so.2
[07:50] <ogra> ravenqr: sudo apt-get update ?
[07:50] <m00se> however i see now that simple ln -s libnautilus-private.so.2 libnautilus.so.2 fixes this situation
[07:50] <bob2> ew, ew, ew
[07:52] <MikeGTN> libnautilus and libnautilus-private are not the same thing at all
[07:53] <m00se> MikeGTN, maybe they aren't but nautilus doesn't seem to notice the difference
[07:53] <bob2> until it randomly crashes
[07:54] <m00se> bob2, sure :)
[07:55] <m00se> OTOH i wonder what galeon needs libnautilus for
[07:55] <TheCan> btw, is there anything one can do against ugly qt-fonts?
[07:55] <m00se> TheCan, ugly?
[07:55] <bob2> use beautiful gtk-fonts
[07:55] <ogra> TheCan: uninstall qt ?
[07:56] <ogra> :)
[07:57] <TheCan> ogra, i dont have it installed. i just installed opera-qt-static binary
[07:57] <TheCan> and it looks ugly
[07:57] <m00se> TheCan, install qt3-qtconfig and use it to change default qt font
[07:57] <TheCan> and i remember from a previous installation on a different machine that everything with QT in gnome looked ugly
[07:57] <TheCan> m00se, thx
[07:57] <m00se> by default qt uses bitmap fonts, make it use TTFs
[07:57] <ogra> TheCan: thats normal, but m00se seems to know the solution
[07:58] <m00se> i had this problem with skype
[07:58] <TheCan> m00se, ah cool....i'll look into this
[07:58] <TheCan> ogra, yes :)
[07:58] <bob2> qt doesn't use fonctconfig yet?
[07:59] <m00se> bob it does
[08:00] <bob2> so why is it using a bitmap font by default?
[08:00] <bob2> by default ubuntu doesn't even make bitmap fonts available to fontconfig
[08:00] <m00se> histerical raisins i guess
[08:00] <bob2> ?
[08:00] <bob2> it can't even access bitmap fonts via fontconfig
[08:01] <m00se> bob2, i had bitmap fonts in qt apps in debian
[08:01] <m00se> then i changes qtconfig and copied i t to ubuntu
[08:01] <m00se> so i don't know what fonts qt apps use in ubuntu by default
[08:01] <bob2> hm, it at least links against fontconfig
[08:02] <TheCan> m00se, you changed this with qtconfig? i cant find an appropiate option there
[08:02] <tolstoy> gnome-panel is broken in hoary, right?
[08:02] <bob2> works for me
[08:02] <melazyboy> Does anyone have the links to a tutorial to getting fglrx to work with xorg?
[08:02] <bob2> it may be buggy in some way, but it's not "broken"
[08:02] <ravenqr> hmm cannot find mplayer in apt-get
[08:02] <bob2> ravenqr: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:02] <tolstoy> btw, after i update a lot, is logging out and back in (if I have gdm running) good enough to "reset" things?
[08:02] <melazyboy> are the people that get it to work using apt-get to get the drivers or the ati web site (which says the driver isn't even compatable with 2.6 nevermind xorg)
[08:02] <m00se> TheCan, second tab is fonts
[08:03] <TheCan> m00se, yes
[08:03] <m00se> i can select non ugly fonts there
[08:03] <TheCan> family for example is "helvetica" there
[08:04] <m00se> i have family bitstream vera sans
[08:04] <TheCan> but the sample text there looks ok..
[08:04] <TheCan> really strange
[08:04] <TheCan> well i'll try using "yours" :)
[08:06] <m00se> bob2, you're right, i don't have helvetica in qtconfig font selector
[08:06] <m00se> but i had in debian :)
[08:06] <PotajiTo> .. tolstoy it happens to me when i updated some things about gtk
[08:06] <cyberdrek> Does anybody have a Xinerama(2 screens, one big desktop) enabled xorg.conf that works?
[08:06] <PotajiTo> i needed to update gdm as well
[08:06] <bob2> cyberdrek: try asking on the list
[08:06] <cyberdrek> bob2, what list?
[08:07] <bob2> cyberdrek: the user list in the topic
[08:07] <cyberdrek> bob2, cool thanks
[08:09] <TheCan> m00se, still looks ugly :/
[08:10] <mjr> cyberdrek, you mentioned that you were using the vesa driver; I don't think that works with multihead
[08:10] <TheCan> helvetica is also missing there now..
[08:10] <tolstoy> PotajiTo, are you saying my hosed gnome-panel should be okay if I just (shudder) reboot?
[08:10] <TheCan> maybe i need to install something more
[08:11] <Matt|> tolstoy, maybe just killall gnome-panel?
[08:11] <PotajiTo> oh sorry I missunderstand you, i thought that wou had problems to log on gmd
[08:11] <PotajiTo> *gdm
[08:12] <tolstoy> Matt|, did that.  gnome-panel seems remarkably able to maintain its broken state. :)  I can't even bring up a properties dlg.  The virtual screens widget works, though.
[08:12] <Matt|> tolstoy, panel properties?
[08:12] <Matt|> fine here
[08:13] <tolstoy> Matt|, right.
[08:14] <tolstoy> Matt|, okay. Hm.  I just wonder if something didn't get restarted.
[08:14] <Matt|> tolstoy, have you restarted X?
[08:15] <tolstoy> Matt|, I logged out (which send me to the graphical login screen), then back.  That was a question for me: does that really restart X?
[08:15] <gen> hey guys when i do "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" then attempt to load the nvidia drivers says x is still running, eh?
[08:15] <Matt|> tolstoy, nope
[08:15] <Matt|> tolstoy, at gdm do a ctrl del
[08:15] <tolstoy> Matt|, okay, i'll do the gdm stop thing instead.  oh, okay.
[08:15] <Matt|> ctl al del
[08:15] <Matt|> *alt
[08:15] <Matt|> goddam
[08:15] <Matt|> ctrl alt backspace
[08:15] <tolstoy> ctrl-alt-bkspc
[08:16] <gen> hellooo
[08:16] <ogra> Matt|: no autoagression here please
[08:16] <ogra> :)
[08:16] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:16] <ogra> hehe
[08:16] <Matt|> hi oggy
[08:16] <gen> :/
[08:16] <melazyboy> how woudl one go about extracting an rpm file on debian when you dont have rpm2tgz?
[08:16] <Matt|> gen, i don't udnerstand the question
[08:16] <gen> why not?
[08:16] <Matt|> melazyboy, there is no need surely?
[08:16] <Kamion> melazyboy: rpm2cpio
[08:16] <ogra> melazyboy: should be handled by file-roller
[08:17] <gen> i'm following the instructions on the ubuntu wiki to install nvidia drivers
[08:17] <melazyboy> Matt|: There is a need, ati drivers.
[08:17] <gen> but x is supposedly still running, how to get directly to terminal without x session?
[08:17] <Kamion> or use alien
[08:17] <Matt|> melazyboy, you cant get a debian version?
[08:18] <Matt|> gen, stopping gdm should work
[08:18] <melazyboy> Matt|: Can't apt-get because the packager wrongly listed xfree as a dependency, and it works with xorg just requires a slight bit of tinkering.
[08:18] <gen> drivers say x is still running matt|
[08:18] <Matt|> gen, you talk to your drivers?
[08:18] <gen> stop being a smartass
[08:18] <Matt|> melazyboy, ok try alien perhaps
[08:18] <Matt|> gen, just kidding
[08:19] <Matt|> gen, what happens exactly?
[08:19] <gen> ok odd, when i try to load gdm "/etc/init.d/gdm start" says fail
[08:19] <melazyboy> ogra: Fileroller doesn't open rpms
[08:19] <zenwhen> I wish the ubuntu devs would release a step by step on how they put together the liveCD.
[08:20] <zenwhen> that would be rockin.
[08:20] <ogra> melazyboy: no ? oh, i thought i read it in a changelog somewhere.....
[08:20] <tolstoy> Matt|, a reboot solved the prob.
[08:20] <gen> so i assume no one knows how to help me?
[08:21] <Trotski> I believe the Gnoppix dudes made the live CD ... basing it on Morphix ... or some such
[08:21] <tolstoy> Matt|, i think maybe it's because I had several days worth of updates without restarting X and something got out of whack.
[08:21] <Matt|> tolstoy, i had the same problem the other day when updating: restarting x did the trick
[08:21] <tolstoy> Matt|, probably some errant daemon.
[08:23] <__daniel> hai
[08:24] <ogra> __daniel: nahmt
[08:25] <melazyboy> anyone know the cpio syntax to extract all files in an archive?
[08:25] <crimsun> a rpm archive?
[08:26] <melazyboy> rpm2cpio file.rpm | cpio -<whatgoeshere>
[08:26] <__daniel> hai ogra
[08:27] <melazyboy> crimsun: But yes, if you know a different way i would be more than happy to use it
[08:28] <cyberdrek> mjr, actually, xorg is set to ati.
[08:29] <melazyboy> ?
[08:29] <ogra> melazyboy: just tried it, works fine with file-roller here
[08:29] <melazyboy> You got an rpm to open with fileroller?
[08:30] <ogra> melazyboy: yep, no prob
[08:30] <melazyboy> Im using 2.9.0 and no joy
[08:30] <melazyboy> When i click the rpm and go open, it takes me to a directory listing of . int he viewer
[08:30] <ogra> melazyboy: 2.8.2 here on warty
[08:30] <melazyboy> and in the help files rpm isn't listed
[08:30] <bob2> what are you doing with rpms?
[08:30] <ogra> melazyboy: doubleclick the .
[08:30] <ogra> hehe
[08:30] <melazyboy> bob2 extracting the ati drivrs
[08:31] <bob2> erm, aren't they packaged already?
[08:31] <melazyboy> ogra: Omfg what kind of stupid idea is that.. . is supposed to be a symlink to the current directory
[08:31] <melazyboy> bob2: Not for Xorg.
[08:31] <bob2> lordy
[08:31] <ogra> melazyboy: but not in a package that gets installed with rpm from /
[08:32] <daniels> people, please test a new linux-restricted-modules (madwifi, nvidia, and fglrx) for i386 and amd64
[08:32] <Charbax> Hello cannot mount CD on my AMD64 gn95g5
[08:32] <daniels> i386: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/
[08:32] <Kamion> melazyboy: IIRC cpio -id is usually OK
[08:32] <Charbax> it loads CD in beginning fine, I enter language but then doesn't mount CD
[08:32] <ogra> daniels: great !!
[08:32] <daniels> amd64: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/amd64/
[08:32] <daniels> all the drivers in there have been updated
[08:33] <daniels> these may cause you errors, so it's best if you're familiar with ubuntu, but all the testing I can get is appreciated
[08:33] <daniels> seems to work alright here with madwifi, but I own no nVidia hardware, and my ATI cards are on the other side of the world, in a machine that's both turned off and unplugged
[08:33] <cyberdrek> melazyboy, rpm2cpio <filename>.rpm | cpio -i --make-directories
[08:34] <ogra> daniels: ppc ?
[08:34] <daniels> ogra: nope, it's just nvidia/ati/madwifi/acx100 binary drivers; nvidia is i386/amd64, the other three are i386-only
[08:35] <ogra> daniels: ah, ok....
[08:35] <melazyboy> cyberdrek: got it thanks though
[08:35] <bob2> heh, my desktop is still on at home
[08:35] <daniels> ogra: l-r-m is just the binary modules, but if you want to test the open source nvidia/radeon drivers for powerpc, that'd be much apprecaited
[08:35] <cyberdrek> melazyboy, no prob
[08:35] <Charbax> Please help.. "Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted.. but I loaded fine in the beginning from the cd.. and I tried burning a new CD at 4 speed.. I installed Windows fine with same dvd-burner drive
[08:35] <Charbax> "Try again to mount the CD-rom? Yes/No"
[08:35] <melazyboy> daniels: You packaged the ati drivers for xorg?
[08:35] <ogra> daniels: i wil switch my card on the weekend in my hoary box for you :)
[08:36] <melazyboy> daniels: I can try it now if you answer yes =D
[08:36] <daniels> melazyboy: i have an updated (open source) radeon driver for xorg (not fglrx), and i have an updated fglrx for xfree86
[08:36] <sleon> melazyboy, yes
[08:36] <daniels> still no binary driver for xorg
[08:36] <daniels> ogra: cool, thakns :)
[08:36] <sleon> hmm
[08:37] <sleon> i am still building the crappy X
[08:37] <daniels> it takes a long time
[08:37] <ogra> sleon: building ??
[08:37] <sleon> daniels, do i need it for modules?
[08:37] <daniels> our fastest amd64 build daemon would take like 45min for a full build
[08:37] <daniels> sleon: yes
[08:37] <daniels> sleon: debuild -us -uc -B can save you some time
[08:37] <daniels> but it's a very long process
[08:37] <melazyboy> daniels: shit i got to go, thanksgiving, ill get back to you tonight -- message me on aim melazyboy if you want me to run some tests later, im using ati radeon 9800, i dont know how the open source drivers compete with fglrx =/
[08:37] <sleon> daniels, not a problem
[08:37] <daniels> it's a 'hack on other stuff while you wait' progress
[08:37] <RubenV> daniels: 45 minutes for X?
[08:38] <RubenV> that's quite long
[08:38] <daniels> melazyboy: they won't give you 3D for your card
[08:38] <daniels> RubenV: that's on the dual 2.4GHz AMD64, which is far and away the fastest machine we have
[08:38] <RubenV> i recall my (32bit) gentoo do it in the same time
[08:38] <daniels> RubenV: not quite as fast on my 1.2GHz Pentium M laptop ...
[08:38] <RubenV> and that was a single cpu
[08:38] <daniels> RubenV: yes, but we do a number of things to our build
[08:38] <daniels> such as, say, build it twice
[08:38] <RubenV> aah, bootstrap alike things
[08:38] <melazyboy> daniels: Ah thats no joy for me, they have fglrx working on xorg now anyway you just need to add one line to your xorg.conf, could package the fglrx with a sed/perl script to do that
[08:39] <daniels> RubenV: not really, just a normal server and a debug server
[08:39] <daniels> RubenV: plus lots of checks and moving stuff around and whatnot; it's *significantly* more complicated than the gentoo build process
[08:39] <RubenV> should investigate deb autobuilding more
[08:39] <RubenV> sounds pretty interesting
[08:39] <daniels> melazyboy: interesting -- URL?
[08:40] <melazyboy> daniels: One sec joing room with other box
[08:40] <petergreen> bonsoir a tous
[08:40] <daniels> melazyboy: cool
[08:41] <petergreen> installation hier soir sur ibm T42 le reve tout ok + maj en 1h
[08:42] <Charbax> I got sata harddrive, just before I tried to install windows went fine... But both Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu stop at the beginning of the install.. They both cannot find the CD drive or something, but they both read from it fine as they both ask for language and so on until it starts copying more files to be installed
[08:42] <Agrajag> isn't there supposed to be something about the topic about english-only in here?
[08:42] <seb128> petergreen: bien bien :) (et #ubuntu-fr pour le franais)
[08:43] <Phr0stByte> *SetIcon
[08:43] <daniels> fabbione: if you could test l-r-m (it has two patches from thomas zander), that would be great, thanks
[08:44] <petergreen> sorry i write english now
[08:44] <Agrajag> Charbax: The CD drive is juat plain IDE right?
[08:44] <ogra> Agrajag: a line or two do no harm :)
[08:44] <cenerentola> hi there... what can cause "/usr/bin/pumount" (Permission denied)?
[08:44] <seb128> cenerentola: user not in the plugdev group ?
[08:45] <bob2> cenerentola: is / mounted nosuid?
[08:45] <Charbax> Agrajag Yes!
[08:45] <cenerentola> seb128, bob2 many thx
[08:46] <Charbax> but my harddrive is SATA, I dunno if that bothers the install
[08:46] <Agrajag> Charbax: where is it connected, primary master?
[08:46] <petergreen> bttorrent where i  catch the package libwxgtk2.3-python ?
[08:46] <Agrajag> Have you tried moving it to the other channel?
[08:46] <Charbax> I think secondary master
[08:46] <Charbax> because there is no IDA harddrive, only one SATA
[08:46] <Agrajag> Charbax: well yeah, then it would probably be on primary, is why I asked. I don't know if that would somehow cause problems
[08:47] <Agrajag> But I would think both FC3 and Ubuntu would recognize SATA drives
[08:47] <Charbax> Cool idea! I should try another channel.. even though the cables in this SFF pc are kindof fixed, I'll try put the CD-ROM on primary master and see if it helps
[08:47] <Agrajag> they're both new, and SATA drives have been around long enough
[08:47] <Charbax> I have shuttle SN95G5
[08:47] <Agrajag> well, give it a try, good luck
[08:48] <Charbax> thanks
[08:48] <NewComer> anyone got giFToxic working?
[08:49] <NewComer> did configure giftd yet giFToxic starts with no errors but doesn't connect to any of specified networks
[08:49] <cyberdrek> NewComer, works fine for me.
[08:49] <ogra> NewComer: roter/firewall ?
[08:49] <ogra> router
[08:49] <cyberdrek> NewComer, it's your giftd that needs some help.
[08:50] <NewComer> ogra, yeah, but had no problems with archlinux
[08:50] <gen> Why is it that when i reboot with "id:3:initdefault:" in /etc/inittab i still go into X
[08:50] <cyberdrek> NewComer, what networks are you using?
[08:50] <crimsun> gen: because Debian doesn't muck with runlevels
[08:50] <gen> so how would i fix it
[08:50] <crimsun> gen: 2-5 are identical
[08:50] <NewComer> fasttrack, gnutella
[08:50] <gen> oh
[08:50] <cyberdrek> ogra, it's not that. I know the issues, just finished dealing with them.
[08:50] <gen> so how would i go about isntalling my nvidia drivers then
[08:50] <cyberdrek> NewComer, do you use OpenFT as well?
[08:50] <gen> x can't be running
[08:50] <crimsun> gen: sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[08:50] <NewComer> cyberdrek, yeah
[08:51] <ogra> crimsun: will be reverted on next update.....better remove the symlink manually
[08:52] <NewComer> cyberdrek, sould i remove OpenFT?
[08:52] <crimsun> ogra: eh? he just wants to stop gdm [and thus kill X]  to install the nvidia drivers
[08:52] <melazyboy> alright daniels =D
[08:52] <NewComer> ooh, it connected to OpenFT now
[08:52] <melazyboy2> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/243287 for the fix to the video problem
[08:52] <ogra> crimsun: oh, i didnt read this....but you dont need to stop X for that
[08:52] <cyberdrek> NewComer, all right, the thing is the files with the hosts in them aren't good anymore. In your /home/user/.giFT/network, you have files that contain hosts. They all have to be replaced.
[08:52] <sirfred> Hello.
[08:52] <melazyboy2> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-21368.html for the basic install
[08:53] <sirfred> Is there any x program using libxcomposite?
[08:53] <NewComer> cyberdrek, i'm now connected to OpenFT
[08:53] <melazyboy> And with that im leaving good luck
[08:53] <__daniel> sirfred:  apt-cache rdepends <package>
[08:53] <melazyboy> message any im network 'melazyboy' ill be on later, ill keep gaim up for now
[08:53] <sirfred> __daniel: Interesting. Thanks.
[08:53] <ogra> crimsun: just restarting it with ctrl-alt-backspace from gdm screen afterwards is enough :)
[08:54] <cyberdrek> NewComer, replace network by Gnutellaor FastTrack. Gnutella was a bitch to find on the net and so was fasttrack for that matter. I could send you those text files.
[08:54] <crimsun> ogra: the Nvidia installer/Debian method of compiling nvidia.ko checks for the existence of a X lockfile, so that won't work.
[08:54] <ogra> crimsun: compiling ????
[08:54] <ogra> crimsun: there is a package
[08:55] <crimsun> ogra: sure, but gen didn't specify that. I assumed (blindly) that he was compiling.
[08:55] <NewComer> cyberdrek, can't find the fasttrack gift plugin in the repos
[08:55] <Charbax> Agrajag changed to primary master for the dvd drive but didn't help.. after I choose languages it says cannot mount CD
[08:56] <Agrajag> weird
[08:56] <cyberdrek> NewComer, they should be there. but that's not important. I'll send you the replacements in a minute.
[08:59] <NewComer> cyberdrek, sorry , i hit abort by mistak
[09:00] <cyberdrek> NewComer, the tar.gz contains files separated in 2 folders. just copy the files from the gnutella folder to /home/user/.giFT/Gnutella and the files in fasttrack in /home/user/.giFT/FastTrack and you should be set.
[09:01] <NewComer> cyberdrek, many thanks
[09:01] <petergreen> help
[09:01] <petergreen> QUIT
[09:01] <cyberdrek> NewComer, restart giftd afterwards and you should be set. It takes a little time for the networks to connect the first time but once they set their lists up, it should work fine. :)
[09:01] <ogra> petergreen: a slash in front helps :)
[09:04] <sanitario> Hi! Is there a way that I can change what options my automatically mounted drives get? Like, I don't want to mount my usb-drive with utf8 as charset
[09:08] <ogra> mvo_: ish customer ???
[09:09] <mvo_> ogra: yep
[09:09] <mvo_> good? bad?
[09:09] <ogra> mvo_: hehe....i built the setup cd
[09:09] <ogra> mvo_: the one for win
[09:09] <__daniel> ogra: now you can build an addition linux CD :-)
[09:09] <ogra> mvo_: i work there.....
[09:10] <mvo_> ogra: ahh, sounds cool. I have to admit that I never used the setup-cd :P
[09:10] <KeithWeisshar> why do i get command not found when i try to run sudo alsaconf
[09:10] <KeithWeisshar> i need to configure my isa sound chip
[09:10] <ogra> __daniel: not anymore....expert settopboxes now, remember
[09:10] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu loads alsa on bootup
[09:10] <KeithWeisshar> but there is no alsaconf
[09:10] <__daniel> ogra: that's what the ":-)" was for :-)
[09:11] <ogra> mvo_: great ! so you never used windows with ish.....how do you like the cable ?
[09:11] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu only has alsa-ctl and alsa-mixer
[09:11] <mvo_> ogra: it works pretty well
[09:12] <mvo_> I had a bit of trouble with wireless at first but I can hardly blame ish for that :)
[09:12] <mvo_> how come that you use dsl if you work for ish :P ?
[09:12] <sirfred> totem-gstreamer seems not to work yet.
[09:12] <ogra> mvo_: fine...i saw your screenshot on the planet..... really great ui work !
[09:12] <ogra> mvo_: no cable in the eifel :(
[09:12] <__daniel> mvo_: no ish in blankenheim yet :-)
[09:13] <mvo_> ogra: where is blankenheim :) ?
[09:13] <ogra> sirfred: for what ?
[09:13] <speel> hey how do you install metacity themes?
[09:13] <ogra> mvo_: near nuerburgring......behind euskirchen
[09:13] <sirfred> ogra: For example listening music, the goom visual effects don't show .
[09:13] <mvo_> ogra: ahh, I know this area
[09:13] <imi> in what cases do i need an scsi support kernel? an old laptop from around 96 should be okay w/o scsi support, right?
[09:14] <sirfred> ogra: The music files didn't have a properties dedicated tab.
[09:14] <imi> scsi is only cdburner (?)
[09:14] <sirfred> ogra: I have not a video file here, but I think it will be the same.
[09:14] <ogra> sirfred: rather use rhythmbox for music.....
[09:14] <sirfred> ogra: I use beep media player, but that's a workaround.
[09:15] <ogra> sirfred: the "music player" from the menu in meant....
[09:15] <ogra> s/in/i
[09:15] <sirfred> I wonder why gpdf is unable to shows a lot of pdf files that xpdf shows fine.
[09:15] <sirfred> Just a blank page, no error, no nothing.
[09:15] <ogra> sirfred: its a bug...shall be solved in the next version
[09:16] <sirfred> ogra: Hoary?
[09:16] <ogra> sirfred: thats why warty has xpdf as default
[09:16] <ogra> sirfred: i think so
[09:16] <NewComer> cyberdrek, doesn't seem to work
[09:16] <sirfred> ogra: I'm on Hoary, expecting these things to be resolved. :)
[09:16] <ogra> sirfred: havent tried gpdf yet
[09:16] <Eon|> How can i get agpgart module not to load at boot. I want to use nvagp.
[09:16] <ogra> sirfred: yep, me too.....in april
[09:16] <sirfred> ogra: Well, xpdf is fine but it looks horrible.
[09:17] <ogra> sirfred: true, but works
[09:17] <sirfred> ogra: :)
[09:17] <gen> after installing my nvidia drivers, and coming back into x, i get this when attempting to load glx gears - "Segmentation fault"
[09:17] <gen> what would cause that
[09:17] <edmond> Hi, I have a WinTv (Primo FM) card, which has created two video dev nodes (video0/1), but further than that no application is able to read from it. Any ideas of things to try?
[09:17] <ogra> gen: you didnt use the ubuntu package ?
[09:18] <Iblun> somebody knows a gnome program that allow me to edit files on ftp directly ?
[09:18] <gen> ogra, they didn't work correctly
[09:18] <ogra> gen: on warty ?
[09:18] <gen> hoary
[09:18] <sanitario> gah, my usb-drive is behaving really weird.
[09:18] <ogra> gen: i386 ?
[09:18] <gen> yes
[09:19] <gen> i get no errors on boot, and i have changed modules to nvidia instead of "nv"
[09:19] <ogra> gen: try this repo: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386
[09:19] <edmond> lblun: gftp is good, nautilus ftp support is worth trying, nice when it works
[09:19] <daniels> ogra: close
[09:19] <daniels> gen: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/
[09:19] <daniels> the trailing / is important
[09:19] <gen> ok
[09:19] <daniels> gen: beware that it may TOTALLY BREAK
[09:19] <ogra> ouch....cpoy n paste trap
[09:19] <daniels> gen: it's testing material
[09:20] <ogra> copy
[09:20] <gen> hm
[09:20] <edmond> Anyone got any experience with tv cards
[09:20] <ogra> gen: but probably better than doing it yourself....what seems to break either....
[09:21] <Iblun> edmond: hmm ok but with gftp i open only an temporary file and edit it ...
[09:21] <gen> i get segmentation fault on like anything actually
[09:21] <gen> just noticed
[09:21] <edmond> lblun: Yeah, for quick edits none of it is that great
[09:21] <gen> nothing loading
[09:21] <edmond> lblun: I thought gftp attempted that functionality though
[09:21] <sgarrity> having some trouble with the Ubuntu Live CD on my laptop - anyone interested in helping me out?
[09:21] <Iblun> edmond: it seems not ...
[09:21] <gen> firefox and xchat and stuff like thatopens
[09:22] <ogra> gen: so rather help daniels testing :) your chances are better there i guess
[09:22] <edmond> lblun: I'm off. I don't think the tv card will ever serve me :(
[09:22] <Iblun> edmond: i was trying tha nva editor ... but it dont like my php files really ...
[09:22] <Iblun> ;)
[09:24] <sgarrity> Live CD on a ThinkPad T30 runs through the boot process, a friendly Ubuntu background/progress bar comes up, the progress bar goes all the way, then the system reboots. Any ideas?
[09:28] <xukun> I,m was downloading the live cd on one of my remote pc using ssh, but I rebooted my local pc during the download, is there a way to check if its still downloading it, or how far its?
[09:28] <xukun> I was..
[09:29] <giannicola> hi i don't know how to install java plugins
[09:29] <giannicola> JRE
[09:30] <__daniel> xukun: wget -c file will resume the download
[09:30] <ogra> giannicola: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[09:30] <__daniel> xukun: and md5sum bla.iso will tell you the md5sum of the iso
[09:30] <ogra> giannicola: i'd suggest method 2
[09:30] <__daniel> xukun: you just have to compare it with the md5sum on the net
[09:31] <giannicola> but can I do it from synaptic?
[09:31] <Gwildor> yeah
[09:31] <ogra> giannicola: with method 1, yes...
[09:32] <giannicola> so in synaptic which item do i have to install?
[09:34] <xukun> __daniel: thanks
[09:35] <__daniel> xukun: anytime
[09:36] <ogra> giannicola: look for j2re or j2sdk
[09:36] <sleon> giannicola, have you got the j2re file?
[09:36] <giannicola> no
[09:37] <ogra> giannicola: you followed the wiki page ?
[09:37] <giannicola> neither the j2sdk
[09:37] <giannicola> yes
[09:37] <ogra> giannicola: did you hit refresh in synaptic ?
[09:38] <giannicola> yes
[09:38] <ogra> giannicola: and added the repository as described before ?
[09:39] <giannicola> one moment
[09:39] <giannicola> i've found j2re
[09:40] <giannicola> now i'm installing
[09:40] <ogra> :)
[09:41] <Ircownik> hello
[09:42] <giannicola> but the terminal window doesn't close!!! i've read the whole license but...
[09:42] <vancheese>  lo
[09:43] <stvn> giannicola: tried q?
[09:43] <giannicola> thx
[09:44] <giannicola> hey but it doesn' works...
[09:44] <giannicola> if i go on a web site...nothing appears!
[09:45] <stvn> giannicola: about:plugins in your browser adress bar
[09:45] <Ircownik> Can you halp me? When I am instaling or booting live ubuntu I lose my keyboard connection. My keyboard is death. In live version mouse is ok, end all working, but keyboard no :-(. Can you give me some suggestions? (Sorry about my English :-)
[09:45] <sleon> giannicola, no porn?
[09:45] <giannicola> no
[09:45] <giannicola> chat on a site
[09:45] <stvn> giannicola: see if it says anything about java
[09:46] <will> giannicola: i think you need to make a link to the firefox dir for libjavaplugin_oji.so
[09:46] <giannicola> yes i've installed j2re
[09:46] <ogra> giannicola: type: about:plugins      in the url field
[09:46] <stvn> will: it shoudl be done automagically
[09:46] <sleon> maybe he/she needs to restart firefox
[09:47] <ogra> stvn: did you use the blackdown packages ? is this sure ?
[09:47] <will> stvn: did not on mine, but then i used blackdown i think
[09:48] <stvn> ogra: erm, no i don't think i used blackdown
[09:48] <ogra> stvn: me neither, so nobody knows .....
[09:48] <stvn> heh
[09:49] <ogra> :)
[09:49] <will> okay blackdown puts the plugin into mozilla-firebird which is A BIT OUTDATED!!!
[09:49] <stvn> ah ok
[09:49] <ogra> will: lol
[09:50] <will> that is j2re1.4
[09:50] <stvn> tsks open source software, bunch of outdated codemonkeys ;)
[09:50] <ogra> will: 1.4 is outdated too
[09:50] <will> 1.4.1.99rc1-2 be careful with that version
[09:50] <netmonk> Hello! I stoped the update with ntp.ubuntulinux.org with "sudo rm /etc/rcS.d/*ntpdate", how can I start it again?
[09:50] <gen_> eh im still getting segmentation faults after nvidia drivers
[09:51] <sleon> netmonk, why not sudo rm -rf / to stop it?
[09:51] <gen_> glxgears give me Segmentation fault after installing nvidia drivers
[09:51] <__daniel> gen_: strace <your crashing command>
[09:51] <stvn> netmonk: add the symlink again
[09:51] <__daniel> sleon: *GRRRRR*
[09:51] <ogra> sleon: eh
[09:51] <netmonk> stvn, how do i do that?
[09:52] <gen_> __daniel: crashing command?
[09:52] <__daniel> netmonk: DONT!!!
[09:52] <__daniel> netmonk: /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
[09:52] <ogra> stvn: never again please
[09:52] <gen_> :(
[09:52] <netmonk> __daniel, my clock keeps on being late
[09:52] <__daniel> gen_: the thing that segfaults
[09:52] <__daniel> netmonk: maybe a bad cmos battery
[09:52] <ogra> stvn: oops i meant sleon
[09:52] <gen_> __daniel, do you want to see what it says?
[09:53] <stvn> netmonk: ogra ah
[09:53] <stvn> -netmonk
[09:53] <stvn> netmonk: sorry my symlink comment was bulls*it
[09:53] <__daniel> gen_: no... i won't be any help, but it could you and those guys maintaining it an idea of whats happening
[09:54] <netmonk> ok, stvn, ;)
[09:54] <stvn> netmonk: I think you need to reinstall ntpdate
[09:54] <__daniel> sleon: don't suggest such an asshole crap again, you don't know if anyone doesnt type it for real
[09:54] <netmonk> ok
[09:54] <stvn> netmonk: btw the clock being late has nothing to do with ntpdate prolly
[09:54] <sleon> __daniel, ok
[09:54] <trukulo> hi
[09:54] <stvn> netmonk: I have a similar problem with this pc i'm installing on, IIRC the solution was to switch of apci or something like that
[09:55] <netmonk> stvn, what is ntp.update doing?
[09:56] <stvn> netmonk: keep the clock at the right time
[09:56] <__daniel> netmonk: retrieving the exact time over the net and setting it on your box
[09:56] <netmonk> aha, i though so
[09:56] <Aigle_> Salut ,y a t il des french
[09:56] <stvn> netmonk: it synchronises the clock within milisecs with the international correct atomic turbo clock-thingy
[09:56] <ogra> Aigle_: #ubuntu-fr perhaps
[09:57] <Aigle_> thanks ogra
[10:01] <stvn> is there any change a audio-cd-burner program will be installed at default in hoary?
[10:01] <__daniel> stvn: mrburns really should be included in hoary
[10:02] <ogra> __daniel: thanks.....but first i have to rewrite it in python :)
[10:02] <stvn> __daniel: should as in I think it ought to be or as in is going to happen unless
[10:02] <mjr> stvn, hopefully Rhythmbox will have audio cd burning by then
[10:03] <stvn> ogra: get currying ;)
[10:03] <stvn> mjr: ah I saw someone make a reference to RBs audio burning capabilities today
[10:03] <stvn> couldn't see it in my RB though ;(
[10:04] <mjr> stvn, in the devel version
[10:04] <stvn> mjr: ah ok, but that's not yet in hoary?
[10:04] <mjr> probably not
[10:04] <mjr> I don't really know
[10:05] <stvn> k
[10:05] <mjr> mmh, mrburns looks nice too
[10:05] <stvn> mrburns uses libburn?
[10:05] <ogra> mjr: thanks....for some ppl it actually works
[10:05] <stvn> heh
[10:06] <ogra> stvn: nope, its a really bad and quick written perl frontend to mp3burn
[10:06] <stvn> heh
[10:06] <ogra> stvn: but if it works with your burning device....its an easy audio burning app
[10:06] <will> its not in hoary yet
[10:07] <stvn> k
[10:07] <stvn> will check it out when I need to burn audio
[10:07] <ogra> will: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[10:08] <will> stvn have you tried gnomebaker?
[10:08] <stvn> nope
[10:08] <ogra> will: does it do audio ?
[10:08] <stvn> I use k3b lately
[10:08] <stvn> and nautilus-cd-burner
[10:08] <will> its very good, but u have to build from source..and i have not got round to it yet
[10:08] <TheCan> what do i need to do to be able to get this "java-package"?
[10:09] <stvn> TheCan: there's a page on the wiki explaining how to install java
[10:09] <TheCan> yes it tells to fetch java-package
[10:10] <stvn> ah ok
[10:10] <stvn> TheCan: sudo apt-get install java-package
[10:10] <TheCan> but i don't find it, do i need to add something to the sources?
[10:10] <ogra> TheCan: its in uni- or multiverse
[10:10] <TheCan> ah in multiverse
[10:10] <TheCan> i'll try this :)
[10:10] <TheCan> (just got universe)
[10:11] <TheCan> ah cool :)
[10:13] <stvn> is it possible in warty to get a splash screen that hides the usual list of programs that start before gdm?
[10:14] <TheCan> propably if you use this splash with grub?
[10:14] <rapha> bootsplash
[10:14] <rapha> stvn: bootsplash.de
[10:14] <rapha> Or .org
[10:14] <will> is it safe to use orphaner? does anyone use it regulary?
[10:14] <rapha> But .de has the newer patches
[10:15] <rapha> stvn: And the latest version of SWSusp2 for 2.6.9 has the latest version of bootsplash included, this is what I recommend.
[10:15] <ogra> stvn: it is planned for hoary in another way: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[10:16] <stvn> ogra: that I know, but it's for the computer i'm installing now and give to my sister next week ;)
[10:16] <ogra> stvn: so you have to recompile the kernel :)
[10:16] <stvn> rapha: hm, bootsplash is probably the best option, don't want to mess too much
[10:16] <will> anyone here remove orphaned packages with no problem?
[10:18] <rapha> stvn: I'm using bootsplash for my girlfriends computer, too, and she's never complained about "the cute penguin".
[10:18] <stvn> rapha: heh
[10:18] <TheCan> rapha, :D
[10:19] <stvn> the startup messages wouldn't be much of a preoblem if not for the two FATAL ERRORs that appear during booting - they look kinda scary ;)
[10:19] <rapha> btw, where can you download a reiserfs 4 patch for 2.6.9?
[10:20] <rapha> stvn: In that case put "console=/dev/null CONSOLE=/dev/null" into GRUBs config file
[10:20] <stvn> rapha: not sure if 3 minutes of a black screen is more promising ;)
[10:21] <rapha> THREE MINUTES!??
[10:21] <stvn> rapha: staring at a black screen makes time seem slower ;)
[10:21] <rapha> Well, then amend /etc/init.d/rcS so that its first line says "clear > /dev/tty1; echo Please stand by while the system is booting > /dev/tty1"
[10:21] <stvn> rapha: it probably is under a minute before gdm starts
[10:22] <rapha> Was just gonna say. 3 minutes is even longer than my 233MHz notebook takes for booting Ubuntu
[10:22] <pusling> where can I read about main vs universe vs multiverse vs restricted ?
[10:23] <ogra> pusling: on the wiki
[10:23] <_axel> hi, im trying to access a really crappy digital cam under ubuntu, gphoto2 detects it and i can take pics etc and manipulate them with gtkam but only if i do it as root... is there any group i must add myself or whatever to be able to access my cam without sudo?
[10:24] <__daniel> _axel: maybe group video? *shrug*
[10:24] <_axel> im already in video
[10:24] <_axel> i think it must be usb-related
[10:25] <pusling> what device is your cam? /dev/something?
[10:25] <__daniel> _axel: look at the ownership of the device file
[10:25] <_axel> hmm, and what would that be
[10:25] <_axel> i have no usbxxx in /dev
[10:26] <pusling> unplug camera, plug in camera, tail var/log/syslog
[10:26] <ogra> _axel: it will be a sdX or sgX
[10:26] <_axel> ogra: nope, the cam doesnt use usb mass storage thing
[10:26] <_axel> its older than that
[10:27] <_axel> usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 3
[10:27] <_axel> ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.0: wakeup
[10:27] <_axel> usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using address 4
[10:28] <ogra> jupoh ?
[10:29] <ogra> oops, wrong win
[10:29] <will> what is the method to set up the bootsplash in ubuntu?
[10:30] <ogra> will: you have to patch and recompile the kernel....
[10:30] <_axel> sigh, i hate this permissions foo with my cam... /me bangs head against monitor
[10:31] <ogra> _axel: look in the device manager..... there normally is a line for the /dev
[10:32] <_axel> ah yes
[10:32] <_axel> forgot about this hal thingy
[10:33] <will> ogra: oh jez is it the description as on www.bootsplash.org?
[10:34] <ogra> will: i think so...else wait until april..... its on the list for hoary
[10:35] <will> ogra: yeah saw that, i think i will wait
[10:36] <_axel> ogra: k, i see DIGITAL CAMERA listed as a device but there is (uknown) in the 'device' field
[10:36] <ogra> _axel: is there a block.device field in the details ?
[10:37] <_axel> ogra: nope
[10:37] <epod> Hey folks, I'm having an audio issue with Ubuntu... if my music is playing, I can't use any other audio source, it just crashes badly.
[10:37] <pusling> how big is an ubuntu warty mirror with main, restricted, universe, multiverse ?
[10:38] <epod> like, totem just tells me it can't play... can linux only have one program making sound at once, or somehting?
[10:39] <ogra> _axel: hmm, so its probably a gtkam thing....
[10:39] <kent> epod, it sounds like a bug. I have several programs doing audio at once.
[10:39] <_axel> ogra: nope, its a gphoto2 thing
[10:39] <epod> kent: Hm, okay.  Just totem, maybe?  Can you try running rythmbox and totem at the same time and let me know if it works for you?
[10:40] <ogra> _axel: thats what i meant....
[10:40] <_axel> ogra: it works all fine as root.. simply barfs when trying as non-privileged user
[10:40] <pusling> does ubuntu uses grub or lilo?
[10:40] <epod> pusling, grub
[10:41] <ogra> _axel: i dont know the exact way gphoto2 works..... i always had usb-storage capable deviaces....
[10:41] <epod> Does anyone know of any open source tools for resizing my NTFS parition so I can dual-boot ubuntu?
[10:41] <kent> epod, i can try. But rhythmbox is kind of slow on my computer, i have a very large archive of music. But wait a second.
[10:41] <will> anyone using hoary here?
[10:42] <epod> kent: Thank you :)
[10:42] <ogra> epod: what version of ubutnu are you using ?
[10:42] <ogra> ubuntu
[10:42] <epod> ogra: warty
[10:42] <ogra> epod: up to date or RC ?
[10:42] <mirak> how often is the async cash flushed ?
[10:42] <epod> ogra, I want to move my PC to being all Linux, but it needs to 'just work' for my GF to be willing to deal with it.
[10:42] <mirak> by the kernel
[10:43] <epod> ogra, um, up to date as far as usuing synpatic to get updates
[10:43] <will> on hoary who uses hoary-updates ?
[10:43] <ogra> epod: the RC had some issues in this area
[10:43] <kent> epod, i can play music in both rhythmbox and totem at the same time.
[10:43] <epod> ogra, is there a new ISO I ought to d/l?
[10:43] <epod> kent: hm.. weird.  The livecd crashed all over me when I tried.  Is there a newer livecd I can d/l?
[10:44] <epod> or install ISO, if I can find a program to resize my windows partition
[10:44] <ogra> epod: the realease cam out on 20th Oct, if you have a older CD there ....
[10:44] <ogra> came
[10:44] <kent> epod, dont know about that the livecd, cant you use partition magic to resize the ntfs?  I dont think there is a free program that does ntfs :(
[10:44] <epod> ogra, I am not sure when I downloaded the ISO I have, I will re-dl it from ubuntulinux.org
[10:45] <epod> kent: I don't have a copy of that, and finding a store that sold something like that here would be impossible (I live in a small town.  Here, you buy software at Wal-Mart.)
[10:45] <ogra> epod: probably the best idea to not fiddle around with solving the old RC bugs :)
[10:45] <_MacGyver_> good evening
[10:45] <epod> ogra, lol yeah
[10:46] <_MacGyver_> someone using dri from cvs ? after typing "make-dri-x86" i get following error msg: /bin/sh: compiler: no such file or directory
[10:46] <siretart> hi folks. I consider to rebuild my kernel according to https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto. But I wonder if I will need to rebuild the restricted modules image. Do I need to do this? How would I do that?
[10:46] <_axel> k
[10:46] <kent> epod,  *cough* get it from the internet,  i here its possible to download stuff for free  ;)
[10:47] <epod> kent: Ohhh.  lol
[10:47] <_axel> i did strace and i found that the permissions error seems to happen when accessing /proc/bus/usb/001/004
[10:47] <ogra> siretart: if its not described there i woudl guess no
[10:48] <epod> stupid ipod.  I hate this thing.
[10:49] <AlvaroBF> Hola
[10:49] <AlvaroBF> hello
[10:52] <kent> epod, as for being able to run Ubuntu without problems,  for me i've never had a problem (though i never had any with Fedora either). If you can keep away from running unstable things, i dont see any reason to doubt the stability of Ubuntu.
[10:53] <epod> kent: Hmm, okay.  One other thing, are you running totem-gstreamer, or totem-xine?
[10:55] <AlvaroBF> hholas
[10:55] <kent> epod, totem-xine and the w32codecs (from universe).
[10:56] <epod> kent: Hm, okay.  Then I guess maybe the livecd just has old versions
[10:56] <kent> epod, I dont know if totem-gstreamer will use those codecs but i know totem-xine does. I never checked it becaus it was so easy to install totem-xine  :)
[10:56] <epod> I shall hav eto try again.
[10:56] <epod> so I can have say, xmms playing, and totem, and both making noise, in theory... wonder why it said the device was in use with the livecd.   Blah.
[10:56] <kent> epod, ubuntu comes with totem-gstreamer in default. I installed totem-xine after the installation.
[10:56] <epod> yep
[10:57] <epod> I had ubuntu on my laptop for a while, I did the same
[10:57] <epod> totem was doing odd things, though, audio-wise, but it may have been my system.  If i'd pause a video, unpausing it would cause it to crash, etc.  Bad mojo, lol
[10:59] <kent> epod,  i might be wrong but i think totem with the gstreamer backend is kind of buggy.
[10:59] <epod> uhh, one last thing.  When I run partitionmagic, and install ubuntu, will it automatically set up dual-boot for windows?
[11:00] <ogra> epod: yup
[11:00] <epod> sweet
[11:01] <siretart> huh? no kernel-tree-2.6.8.1 in warty? or are my sources.list wrong?
[11:02] <epod> can anyone tell me if xscrabble is in synaptic?
[11:02] <ogra> siretart: you look for linux-source-2.6.8.1
[11:02] <eim> Hello folks, I was just wondering if the package "linuxlogo" available in Universe may ship also an "Ubuntu-Logo" for the CLI?
[11:03] <siretart> ogra: ok, then https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto  is wrong :)
[11:03] <ogra> epod: i see scrabble
[11:03] <ogra> epod: but no xscrabble
[11:04] <epod> ogra: yeah, scrabble is the commandline one.. I will have to compile it from source, unless I can get the windows gamehouse scrabble to work in wine..
[11:04] <ogra> siretart: i didnt try it....
[11:05] <ogra> siretart: but there was a 2.9 kernel image announced on the mailing list with suspend enabled
[11:06] <imi> hi
[11:06] <siretart> ogra: I think I also read about that, but I lost the email :/
[11:06] <imi> how do i copy an install cd? do i have to create the image first?
[11:07] <cyberdrek> imi, just do a cd copy.
[11:08] <imi> i'll try
[11:08] <cyberdrek> imi, I mean your cd burning program should be able to do cd copies.
[11:08] <imi> the problem is that i'm trying a laptop install. and the laptop doesnt like 900mb cds so i wanna copy the whole thing to a 700mb one
[11:09] <epod> I wish ubuntu did en-ca
[11:09] <epod> I get annoyed at having en-us .. grr
[11:09] <Matt|> hoary: anyone got totem working?
[11:10] <stvn> Matt|: you mean in haory=
[11:10] <stvn> -window 2
[11:10] <stvn> -window shrink 6
[11:10] <Matt|> sorry don't understand that
[11:10] <stvn> ew I hate this keymap
[11:10] <Matt|> totem is crashing in hoary on my system
[11:11] <Matt|> matt@kallisto:~ $ totem
[11:11] <Matt|> (totem:8972): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[11:11] <Matt|> (totem:8972): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[11:11] <Matt|> ** (totem:8972): WARNING **: Couldn't find themed icon for "panel-screenshot"
[11:11] <Matt|> (gnome_segv:8984): Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
[11:11] <Matt|> (gnome_segv:8984): Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
[11:11] <cyberdrek> imi: how did you manage to get a 900 mb CD? that's kind of weird. I wasn't aware that there were 900Mb CDs.
[11:11] <imi> 800mb 90min... sorry cyberdrek
[11:11] <stvn> Matt|: totem/gstreamer or totem/xine=
[11:12] <Matt|> ?
[11:12] <Matt|> the former i suppose
[11:12] <Matt|> just totem
[11:12] <stvn> Matt|: ah ok, I have totem-kine and no problems there
[11:13] <stvn> totem-xine
[11:13] <cyberdrek> imi, Oh ok... :) The thing is, if you try to simply do a cd copy, it will try to copy the cd as is. What you'd need to do is redownload the iso or do a net install, if that's possible.
[11:13] <Matt|> stvn, ok
[11:13] <imi> i'm redownloading the iso
[11:13] <imi> i'm trying to install vector on an old laptop
[11:14] <cyberdrek> imi, that's the best solution.
[11:14] <ogra> Matt|: looks like it is relaying on the screenshot app
[11:14] <ogra> relying
[11:14] <imi> i'm pleased to see gnomebaker 0.2 btw
[11:14] <Matt|> ogra, yeah maybe
[11:14] <cyberdrek> imi, vector linux? if so, pretty nice distro for a laptop. Ran it on mine. When it was working.:)
[11:15] <thully> Does anybody know what's wrong with flash in Ubuntu hoary?  I can't hear any sound in flash animations currently - while I hear system sounds just fine.
[11:15] <Matt|> thully, flash in hoary is rather dodgy
[11:16] <imi> cyberdrek, it's probably the only way to get a 233mhz 64mb ram laptop working :)
[11:16] <thully> Is there a place to get a better flash deb for hoary?
[11:16] <Matt|> thully, its not the flash deb i don't think. Although I haven't heard of the sound problem before.
[11:16] <Matt|> thully, the problem is essentially that they can't debug it because it is closed source
[11:17] <thully> It worked fine in warty for me
[11:17] <Matt|> yeah i know
[11:17] <Matt|> :(
[11:18] <ogra> hoary....
[11:18] <cyberdrek> imi, there are other ways. I had a similar laptop but mine was an AMD 200 something, 64mb, 800x600 max. :( but it did the job for me. I ran Vector and QNX(Momentix)
[11:18] <thully> Also, HSf linmodem drivers (proprietary from LinuxAnt) are currently having trouble w/sound that doesn't occur in regular debian
[11:18] <Gmail> hehe i got 2 boxes of cds
[11:19] <Gmail> i thought i changed my order to 100 cds
[11:19] <Matt|> that's a lot of coasters
[11:19] <GotD0t> ok somethings seriously wrong... i tried upgrading to hoary, following directions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary to the letter, and when i upgraded i kept getting all these perl locale errors.... and now i cannot even change the locales
[11:20] <thully> How do you update an existing hoary iso from a week ago to the current version without downloading the whole thing again
[11:20] <Matt|> GotD0t, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[11:20] <GotD0t> did that
[11:20] <Gmail> err the 3 naked people are on the cover
[11:20] <GotD0t> gives me a locale error Matt|
[11:20] <d33p> can I move from debian to ubuntu, by just changing the source list of apt and dist-upgrading?
[11:20] <ogra> GotD0t: thats hoary, there is nothing wrong with the wiki
[11:20] <__daniel> d33p: what debian flavor?
[11:20] <GotD0t> ogra: i never said anything wrong with the wiki... i was just pointing out that so you people can help me
[11:20] <Matt|> GotD0t, hmm
[11:20] <cardador> thully: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:20] <ogra> Gmail: damned, mine are dressed....is it the second season ?
[11:21] <thully> no - to update the actual CD
[11:21] <d33p> __daniel, sid
[11:21] <thully> not the packages on an installed system
[11:21] <cardador> thully: ahh dont have a clue :) maybe with rsync
[11:21] <__daniel> d33p: you will have to change /etc/apt/preferences to downgrade some packages, to get a FULL ubuntu system
[11:22] <ogra> d33p: sid -> hoary could work but is not supported i think.... and hoary has issues....
[11:22] <thully> I've tried that - it seems like it wants to download the whole thing again, and this ISO is only a week old (dist-upgrade after installing is only 50-60MB)
[11:22] <__daniel> d33p: and you will encounter one or the other dependency problem, which will work somehow... i did it 2 months ago
[11:22] <GotD0t> any ideas anybody?
[11:22] <d33p> __daniel, tell me what I need to change and where is a list of ubuntu repositories?
[11:22] <Matt|> GotD0t, ask in #ubuntu-devel maybe.
[11:23] <__daniel> d33p: so if you are experienced with packages and up/downgrades, you'll be fine
[11:23] <ogra> GotD0t: have you selected a utf-8 locale ?
[11:23] <Gmail> err
[11:23] <cyberdrek> GotD0t, try to apt-get remove locales and then apt-get install locales
[11:23] <eyal> hi, has anybody gotten gnomemeeting to work? everything works, except sound-input. i think it's an alsa-oss-esd problem but i don't know what to do
[11:23] <Gmail> one box some cds are broken
[11:23] <GotD0t> ogra: i did... but i cant now
[11:23] <thully> Has anybody experienced screen corruption in debconf when installing Hoary from a CD snapshot?
[11:24] <__daniel> d33p: google for /etc/apt/preferences and downgrade... i can't really remember
[11:24] <d33p> __daniel, sounds risky
[11:24] <ogra> GotD0t: sudo apt-get install --reinstall locales
[11:24] <__daniel> d33p: better than a reinstall, isnt it? :-)
[11:24] <GotD0t> ogra: it tells me that k3b depends on kcontrol but it is not going to be installed
[11:24] <d33p> __daniel, much better if it does work
[11:25] <imi> cyberdrek, what's momentix?
[11:25] <Matt|> nite all
[11:25] <d33p> c ya all
[11:25] <GotD0t> ogra: and when i try to install kcontrol it gives me a local error
[11:25] <GotD0t> locale*
[11:25] <ogra> GotD0t: but it should install anyway
[11:25] <ogra> GotD0t: even with a broken locale
[11:25] <cyberdrek> imi, it's a version of QNX
[11:26] <imi> cyberdrek, never heard of qnx.
[11:27] <epod> poop, my internet scrabble game died
[11:27] <Satz_AFK> hi
[11:27] <epod> QNX is an embedded RTOS
[11:27] <cyberdrek> imi, what epod said.
[11:27] <imi> that's getting complicated :)
[11:27] <epod> lol
[11:27] <epod> www.qnx.com afaik
[11:27] <Satz_AFK> looks right
[11:28] <cyberdrek> imi, no, it's simply an os for embeded components.
[11:28] <epod> you can get it for x86
[11:28] <epod> I've run it before, for all of 20 minutes.. they have a free downloadable version
[11:29] <pusling> 8.6 gb is the size of an ubuntu mirror
[11:29] <Satz_AFK> anyone have any info about the testcd function at bootup?
[11:29] <eyal> anybody gnomemeeting to work? alsa is the problem i think.
[11:29] <cyberdrek> imi, it's not related to linux so don't bother. I ran it for my job.
[11:30] <Gmail> is there a howto make the box for the cd anywhere?
[11:30] <epod> Gmail, eh?
[11:30] <TheStuff> hi all, i caould not find how to switch between keboard layouts
[11:31] <imi> cyberdrek, i hope it'll work with a 700mb cd. i'm really eager to install linux on a laptop
[11:31] <Gmail> my one looks wirod
[11:32] <cyberdrek> imi, ubuntu fits on a 700mb cd. That's what I used to install on my system.
[11:32] <eyal> thestuff: computer->desktop preferences->keyboard->layouts
[11:32] <Gmail> bob2: Kamion: mako: ... any of you know howto
[11:32] <eyal> or put the 'layout' applet on your panel (rightclick,add-to-panel, search for 'layout')
[11:33] <eyal> thestuff: sorry, i meant 'keyboard indicator' applet
[11:35] <icecrash> moin
[11:35] <epod> argh my LCD has a bad pixel!
[11:35] <cyberdrek> icecrash, plus
[11:35] <TheCan> epod, mine had one from the beginning, whats the problem with it?
[11:36] <yam> my soundcard (sblive) is correctly detected, /proc/asound seems ok, and /dev/dsp is there... but... cannot play sound... player say /dev/dsp does not exist
[11:36] <epod> TheCan, it's just aggrivating, $400 for a 17-inch LCD monitor, and it has a bad pixel
[11:36] <yam> any clue?
[11:37] <epod> yam: ls -al /dev/dsp
[11:37] <epod> is it there?
[11:37] <yam> yeah
[11:37] <TheStuff> eyal, i have the other langauge .. but evry time i want to switch i had to make it default .. is there hotkey for that ?
[11:37] <TheCan> epod, i paid >600 for my 19" (over a half year ago) and well i can live with it
[11:38] <TheCan> one badpixel is really normal..
[11:38] <yam> epod: with correct permissions since I belong to audio group
[11:38] <epod> TheCan, that's kind of sad.  Apparently 7 have to be bad for me to get to warranty it
[11:38] <epod> yam, hm.  Can you play audio as root?
[11:38] <epod> like, if you sudo xmms or whatever?
[11:39] <yam> havent tried xmms
[11:39] <yam> because I think is system related... not player dependent
[11:39] <hanoi_pm> I'm using Debian sarge, I want to know the advantages of unbuntu **over original Debian**
[11:41] <ogra> hanoi_pm: its a clean neat system that aims to "just work" and focuses on the usability of the desktop
[11:41] <TheStuff> eyal, my issue has been solved .. pressing both alt keys switchs between ur layouts .. thanx bro
[11:41] <hanoi_pm> ogra: so ubuntu is not for servers?
[11:41] <jdub> ubuntu is definitely for servers
[11:42] <ogra> hanoi_pm: its for servers as well, but there you use it like a debian....
[11:42] <jdub> we just happen to have a very sexy desktop that tends to get the attention :)
[11:42] <hanoi_pm> ogra: beside
[11:42] <hanoi_pm> ogra: beside "just work", what are other advantages
[11:43] <ogra> hanoi_pm: small footproint
[11:43] <eyal> thestuff: great
[11:43] <hanoi_pm> ogra: what does it mean
[11:44] <ogra> hanoi_pm: you get a ful working desktop system with all necessary apps for productivity use on one CD
[11:44] <d-b> I love that one cd thing.
[11:44] <hanoi_pm> ogra: oh great! I see the point now
[11:44] <vrln_> I like the security policy (root disabled by default for example)
[11:44] <ogra> hanoi_pm: indeed also a server install is possible.....
[11:44] <[SPD] RalphNader> root disabled by default?
[11:45] <vrln_> it uses sudo by default
[11:45] <[SPD] RalphNader> oh
[11:45] <[SPD] RalphNader> how does one enable root then?
[11:45] <vrln_> sudo passwd root
[11:45] <ogra> hanoi_pm: and a big advantage over debian is the user orientation over the policy.... i.e. there is a officially supported nvidia-driver
[11:46] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:46] <[SPD] RalphNader> ahh
[11:46] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: there is no benefit in enabling root if you use the system tools on the desktop
[11:46] <hanoi_pm> ogra: thank you very much
[11:47] <d-b> Anyone encountered this issue: My default resolution before upgrading the packages in Synaptic was 1024x768, then after I installed and restarted my computer I'm stuck with 640x480.
[11:47] <ogra> hanoi_pm: try it out, if you know debian you will love it .... is the last point on my list :)
[11:47] <epod> d-b: did you edit your xf86config?
[11:48] <yam> epod: same problem under root
[11:48] <d-b> epod: no. I just left it as is. And i'm wondering what went wrong.
[11:48] <yam> epod: either with xmms or any other player
[11:48] <ogra> yam: do you have system sound ?
[11:48] <yam> epod: same error -> /dev/dsp does not exist!
[11:48] <cyberdrek> ogra, that should've been the first one on your list. :P lol..
[11:48] <epod> yam: weird... hm
[11:48] <hanoi_pm> ogra: I have been using Debian for servers for ages but still Windows XP for desktop, I think it's time to make a dual boot machine
[11:48] <yam> ogra: what do you mean
[11:49] <ogra> hanoi_pm: go on....everybody in here will agree its worth it :)
[11:49] <cyberdrek> hanoi_pm, in that case, go for ubuntu. :)
[11:49] <ogra> yam: the event sounds...like the drums if the loginscreen appears
[11:50] <yam> ogra: no sound at all
[11:50] <vrln_> hanoi_pm: ubuntu is a very good desktop choice
[11:50] <hanoi_pm> yeah, I was considering original Debian vs ubuntu, after being here for awhile, I think trying ubuntu will be pleasant
[11:50] <d-b> Its the best desktop for me.
[11:51] <ogra> yam: hmm, looks driver related... did you check the volume levels in the mixer app (by right click on the speaker)
[11:51] <[SPD] RalphNader> so I read the 'root/sudo policy'
[11:51] <cyberdrek> hanoi_pm, it is. Never had a linux distro as interesting as this one to work with. :)
[11:51] <[SPD] RalphNader> does ubuntu not ask you for the root password when you execute a sudo command?
[11:51] <yam> ogra: volume? file is not being played
[11:51] <yam> an error pops up as soon as I open any media file
[11:51] <ogra> yam: the control.....
[11:51] <vrln_> [SPD] RalphNader: it asks you for your user password
[11:51] <cyberdrek> hanoi_pm, and I've tried a hell of alot of them.
[11:51] <d-b> hanoi_pm: I look at it this way, Debian is Mozilla Suite, and Ubuntu is Firefox.
[11:51] <[SPD] RalphNader> oh really
[11:51] <vrln_> yup
[11:51] <[SPD] RalphNader> that's interesting
[11:51] <hanoi_pm> thank you everyone :)
[11:51] <vrln_> so there's only one password to remember
[11:52] <hanoi_pm> Debian uses firefox by default, d-b
[11:52] <[SPD] RalphNader> can any user do sudo then?
[11:52] <cyberdrek> hanoi_pm, don't sweat it. :)
[11:52] <yam> 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[11:52] <ogra> hanoi_pm: come back if you got any probs :)
[11:52] <vrln_> no, the users have to be in the sudoers group
[11:52] <[SPD] RalphNader> ahhh
[11:52] <vrln_> in order to be able to use sudo
[11:52] <[SPD] RalphNader> that makes a hell of a lot of sense
[11:52] <vrln_> the user account created during install is of course automatically added to sudoers
[11:52] <d-b> hanoi_pm: I know. I mean if you were to compare debian with ubuntu. Debian is Mozilla, and Ubuntu is Firefox.
[11:52] <[SPD] RalphNader> right
[11:53] <hanoi_pm> d-b: ah, cool
[11:53] <cyberdrek> d-b, hmmm... never saw it that way but true... :)
[11:53] <[SPD] RalphNader> so is all the package management done from cmd-line then?
[11:53] <[SPD] RalphNader> I'm a SuSE user
[11:53] <vrln_> d-b: interesting comparison :)
[11:53] <vrln_> [SPD] RalphNader: there is a graphical gui for apt too, called synaptic
[11:53] <ogra> yam: lsmod | grep snd-emu10k1
[11:53] <cyberdrek> [SPD] RalphNader, no, use synaptic
[11:53] <[SPD] RalphNader> so in YaST you're asked for root everytime you click on system mods
[11:53] <vrln_> it's pretty easy to use and works great
[11:54] <[SPD] RalphNader> interesting stuff
[11:54] <cyberdrek> [SPD] RalphNader, no yast in ubuntu. And I sure as hell hope they don't put it anywhere.
[11:54] <vrln_> although I find using the commandline apt-get easier
[11:54] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol
[11:54] <[SPD] RalphNader> not a big fan of YaST either
[11:54] <cyberdrek> vrln_, easier than clicking?
[11:54] <vrln_> isn't yast being ported to debian btw?
[11:55] <vrln_> at least there are some mailing list posts about it (alot actually)
[11:55] <ogra> vrln_: hopefully never
[11:55] <kensai> anyone here has run looking glass on Ubuntu Hoary?
[11:55] <yam> ogra: it is not a module, its built in
[11:55] <vrln_> cyberdrek: yeah, well, it's easier to type apt-get install xmms than to start a gui, find the package and click install :)
[11:55] <TheCan> damn i'm so happy vpnc works with ubuntu!
[11:56] <ogra> yam: built in ??? how that ? did you compile your own kernel ?
[11:56] <cyberdrek> vrln_, true, I also prefer the command line but just thought I'd get your opinion on why. :)
[11:56] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: or even quicker, create 'aliases' like 'agu' and 'agi' ('apt-get update' and 'apt-get install')
[11:56] <JStrike> jdub : How is the coaster packages coming along?
[11:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> so, not being familiar with debian or ubuntu
[11:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> how do I install a package system-wide then?
[11:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> sudo apt-get?
[11:57] <cyberdrek> Xenguy, no, that wouldn't be the same.
[11:57] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: yep
[11:57] <vrln_> sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> sweet
[11:57] <vrln_> it will get all depedencies automatically
[11:57] <vrln_> so you won't have to worry about them
[11:57] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: what wouldn't be the same as what?  :-)
[11:57] <d-b> Well, We have Synaptic too.
[11:57] <yam> ogra: yes of course
[11:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> I don't like worrying about them :)
[11:58] <cyberdrek> Xenguy, having aliases wouldn't be the same as typing sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> anyone installed ximian desktop on ubuntu?
[11:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> when I installed it on SuSE, it created over 200 (yes 200) package conflicts
[11:58] <vrln_> [SPD] RalphNader: and to get all security updates the only thing you need to do is apt-get update (update apt package database) and apt-get upgrade
[11:58] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: much nicer is....you never ever have to reinstall if you got a working system and break it...debian dist upgrades "just work"
[11:58] <d-b> [SPD] RalphNader: You'll just downgrade it.
[11:58] <TheCan> damn just installed ubuntu on my 5gig partition, and already 70% full :p
[11:58] <ogra> never break it
[11:58] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: well I use it on debian every day - I don't expect it's impossible to do on Ubu ;-)
[11:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> well, I don't want ximian
[11:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> just curious
[11:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> how a novell product
[11:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> would break a novell distro
[11:59] <yam> I cannot understand why it says /dev/dsp not found
[11:59] <d-b> I like the Ximian OOo though.
[11:59] <ogra> yam: because you did miss snd-pcm-oss
[11:59] <cyberdrek> Xenguy, I never said it was impossible, I just said that for me, doing that wouldn't be the same as typing it in full.
[11:59] <vrln_> [SPD] RalphNader: ubuntus customized gnome 2.8 is very slick, there's no reason to get ximian gnome :)
[11:59] <cyberdrek> well, diner time, talk to you all later. :)
[11:59] <yam> ogra: miss? where?