[SPD] RalphNaderso I've heard vrln12:00
ograyam: snd- indicates its a alsa module, pcm = /dev/dsp , oss = alsas oss emulation12:00
Xenguycyberdrek: where there's a will, there's a way ;-)12:00
d-bogra: About the dist upgrade... Can I upgrade my Warty to Hoary?12:00
[SPD] RalphNaderI was kind of afraid when I saw proprietary packages, but then I read the docs on how ubuntu handles 'universe' packages12:00
ograyam: while building your kernel12:00
[SPD] RalphNaderand how they're made to work with the 6 billion trillion debian packages12:00
[SPD] RalphNaderwhich I liked12:00
ograd-b: if you can handle a unstable system yes12:00
cyberdrekXenguy, lol... :)12:00
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vrln_you'll never have to reinstall, when hoary is out you can just dist-upgrade to it12:01
ograd-b: hoary breaks for time to time.....sometimes more, sometimes less12:01
d-bogra: I'd be glad to submit bug reports.12:01
ogra[SPD] RalphNader: also wher grumpy is out.....12:01
ograd-b: but keep in mind it can render your system unusable if it comes to its worst :)12:02
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TheCananyone of you using ubuntu together with pkgsrc btw?12:02
ogra[SPD] RalphNader: or wher perky penguin is out.....even your grandchildren could still upgrade your current install.....12:03
d-b(07:04:31) ogra: [SPD] RalphNader: much nicer is....you never ever have to reinstall if you got a working system and break it...debian dist upgrades "just work"12:03
d-b(07:04:47) ogra: never break it12:03
ograd-b: yep.....corrected :)12:03
[SPD] RalphNaderlol ogra12:04
yamogra: no I didnt... kernel is ok... my /proc/asound system is great12:04
ograd-b: the sid on this box that was replaced by ubuntu was actually the first install on this laptop...no reinstalls....my webserver was installed in '98 it is still the first install...always upgraded12:05
ograyam: but you dont have a /dev/dsp....12:05
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ograyam: which is created by snd-pcm-oss on module load by udev12:06
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ogra[SPD] RalphNader: the reinstall is a typical suse problem....they didnt solve it to today....you have to reinstall each third release or so12:07
TheCanogra, full ack12:07
ograwhat is pretty weird for servers some 100km away.....12:08
yamogra: ok.... i forgot I have two devices... also a Tv tuner12:09
yamogra: so I have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp112:09
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ograyam: and they are both there ?12:09
yamogra: yes12:09
yamogra: but /dev/dsp is tv tuner and /dev/dsp is sblive12:09
ograyam: which driver did you take for the tv card ?12:09
ograyam: thats for video iirc12:10
Faustushey I'm trying to fill out a bug and I get "must fill out component".  I have set it to unkown, as it says I can.12:10
ograyam: i think snd-bt87x would be right12:10
yamogra: anyway12:10
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yamwhere do you specify the audio device ?12:11
yamin gnome desktop12:11
Faustushad to be capitals12:11
ograyam: its defaulting to esd....which is using /dev/dsp12:11
zenwhenman i ate too much turkey12:11
zenwhenim out of it12:11
ograyam: you can run gstreamer-properties12:12
ograyam: but it wont solve the device issue i guess....i think with your kernel is something wrong12:13
yamogra: if I delete dsp and rename /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp1, files start playing, but no soun12:14
yamthere's something really weird12:14
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[SPD] RalphNaderyam do you have and sb card?12:16
stvnis there a desktop virus scanner for ubuntu-warty? ( a bit like norton,macaffee and such)?12:20
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cardadorstvn: clam av12:20
cardadorstvn: and aegis (gui)12:20
stvncardador: does it have a friendly gtk interface?12:20
cardadorstvn: aegis does12:21
stvnaegis, hm couldn't find it in the ubuntu reps.12:21
cardadorstvn: enable universe and multiverse12:21
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stvncardador: I have12:21
cardadorstvn: strange, i found a lot of files after searching "aegis"12:22
stvncardador: so do i, but not aegis-virus-sanner12:22
HrdwrBoBwhy do you need a virus scanner?12:23
cardadorHrdwrBoB: i had to use on at my work, after a shared folder beeing infected12:23
cardadoruse one12:24
stvnHrdwrBoB: better safe than sorry12:24
HrdwrBoBlinux virus scanner are useful for getting rid of windows viruses12:24
HrdwrBoBin my experience12:24
stvnHrdwrBoB: don't kid yourself, linux viruss do exist12:24
stvnthey are rare though12:25
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HrdwrBoBI'm well aware they exist12:25
stvnk :)12:25
Agrajagstvn: I've been hit by one windows virus, and zero linux viruses, in the last 5 years12:25
HrdwrBoBbut running a 'virus scanner' is unlikely to help you12:25
Agrajagit's a matter of not being an idiot12:25
Agrajagnot running a virus scanner12:25
HrdwrBoBattack vectors in linux are entirely different12:25
stvnHrdwrBoB: hm could be12:25
axisKvirii :(12:26
stvnHrdwrBoB: must say that aegis-virus-scanner doesn't appear to be very pro-active (==annoying) ;)12:26
Agrajaga linux desktop without a virus scanner is like an elephant without a ballpoint pen12:26
HrdwrBoBstvn: I've been a linux admin for .. about 6 years, in that time I have seen LOTS of compromised linux machines12:26
stvnAgrajag: I know many elephants being annoyed by their lack of ballpoints ;)12:26
HrdwrBoBnone of them had 'viruses'12:26
stvnHrdwrBoB: true12:26
HrdwrBoBif you keep your system updated, you're fine12:27
HrdwrBoBbut if you don't update your system12:27
HrdwrBoByouy're not going to update your 'virus scanner' either12:27
stvnHrdwrBoB: but how about someone elses system? (eg my sisters)12:27
HrdwrBoBhow about it?12:27
HrdwrBoBset it up to auto update the security patches12:28
stvnHrdwrBoB: how to lock it down nicely without you being able to update it regurarly (my sister lives my kms away)12:28
stvnHrdwrBoB: good point12:28
Agrajaghave a cron job do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once a day or so12:28
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HrdwrBoBby default, ubuntu has 0 listening external points12:28
HrdwrBoBput in an job to get security updates12:29
HrdwrBoBand forget about it for a while12:29
stvni put firestarter init and only opened ssh, so I'm able to login remotely12:29
AgrajagHrdwrBoB: huh12:29
Agrajagtcp        0      0 *               LISTEN     3684/portmap12:29
Agrajagwait no12:29
Agrajagtcp        0      0  *               LISTEN     4352/master12:29
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Agrajagthat's the one12:29
HrdwrBoBAgrajag: external :P12:29
AgrajagI didn't install a mail server12:29
HrdwrBoBAgrajag: that's you.12:29
rjekI like to know what it's upgrading, and when.12:29
HrdwrBoBand also, that's local12:30
Agrajagit's listening12:30
stvnrjek: i agree12:30
rjekIt's as bad as the automatic windows update to do that.12:30
HrdwrBoBrjek: yes but you can't have your cake and eat it too12:30
rjekYou never know when debian-legal might change their mind about what's free. :)12:30
HrdwrBoByou can EITHER vet updates12:30
rjekHrdwrBoB: If absolutely required, I just have it email what's changed and what's new.12:30
HrdwrBoBOR you can have magical auto updates you don't have to worry about12:30
rjek... until they break.12:30
stvnrjek: it's ubuntu, your not depending on debian-legal but on sabdf ;)12:31
rjekstvn: Well, yes.  But you know what I mean. :)12:31
HrdwrBoBstvn: you're not your :)12:31
rjekstvn: Have you met Mark?12:32
stvnso chocky12:32
stvnrjek: nope, and won't be in spain next week either :(12:32
rjekstvn: You should come to cambridge on Saturday.12:32
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stvnrjek: it won't happen I'm afraid, would love to but...12:33
rjekstvn: Did you get bill paying down to an art last year, btw?12:33
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eruinone hundred words left till I'm done with my semester paper!12:35
eruinwonder if I should thank openoffice for not crashing randomly on me in the credits12:36
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stvneruin: lol12:36
ograeruin: 250 ppl in the room.... if everyone contributes half a word youre done :)12:36
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eruinif any of them are experts on immanuel kant, then hit me :P12:37
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eruindavid hume I get, but Kant freaks me out12:37
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stvnkant was the last guy with the one system thing, right?12:38
shingokiHi all. Anyone had a problem where installing nvidia-glx makes you unable to log out?12:38
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ograshingoki: warty  ?12:38
eruinstvn: well, he was the founder of modern aesthetics12:38
shingokiogra: Yup12:39
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eruinand aesthetics is what I'm studying ;O12:39
ograshingoki: with the ubuntu package i never had probs....12:39
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shingokiogra: I might be doing it the wrong way - which packages should I install?12:40
ograshingoki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:40
stvneruin: ah right, don't know much about his easthetic side, only discussed his philosophical side12:40
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eruinKant: "Act, as if the Maxim of your action could never become a general law of nature through your will." <- sheesh12:41
eruinprobably a lousy translation from german, but still12:41
ograeruin: heh, sounds funny in english12:41
imanewbie_ogra: how can I install it? Does it need any extra configuration?12:41
stvneruin: tsk, you should read the guy in his native language, so much clearer :p12:41
wildcode_please please help, dns keeps failing, I've installed resolvconf, pump and dnsmasq as per dns problem howto in the forums, it appeared to work at first but now dns is failing again12:41
ograimanewbie_: nvidia-glx ?12:41
eruinstvn: I can only read/write basic german ;)12:41
imanewbie_ogra: nvidia drivers12:42
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shingokiogra: Did you use this "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable " ?12:43
shingokiogra: Thats the bit I didn't do, I will try it again ;)12:44
JStrikeI seem to have come up with a peculiar error in Hoary. My installation is not totally current across the distro, but nautilus is. When I try run nautilus, it cant find the libnautilus.so.2 lib12:44
ograshingoki: yep, do it12:44
JStrikeWhich file needs to be updated?12:44
stvnwildcode_: are you sure you have network and it is pointing to the right working dNS server?12:44
shingokiogra: I see there are instructions there for ati too, do they actually work?12:44
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JStrikeNautilus and libnautilus are up to date12:44
shingokiogra: Great thanks :) I'm setting ubuntu up on one machine for a friend with nvidia, and on my own machine with ati12:44
ograimanewbie_: its in restricted...should be in synaptics repositorys12:44
egon_spenglerOkay, I have the basic "bleah" ubuntu theme, but what happened to the previous one from the release candidate?12:44
wildcode_stvn, yes, the same one the rest of the working (windows) network is pointing to12:44
JStrikeegon_spengler : Are you talking about the wallpaper?12:44
shingokiI can't believe there was so much fuss about the previous splashscreen, I guess fascists didn't like it12:44
stvnwildcode_: is it a dhcp network or a manual configured one?12:44
egon_spenglerWallpaper, splash, and bootsplash12:44
eruinbootsplash in ubuntu?12:44
egon_spenglerWas a link on the main ubuntu page for a bit but can't find it now12:44
ograshingoki: its forbidden in certain religions to show skin12:44
wildcode_stvn, the exact same one that it points to when dns is working in ubuntu, the same one that works for windows machines  when ubuntu fails (sorry I've been wrestling with this for several days12:44
eruinthe "clothes" religion12:44
imanewbie_ogra: wich should I install glx or settings?12:44
shingokieruin: Ah yeah, those guys have trouble going swimming and seeing the doctor ;)12:44
wildcode_stvn, dhcp network12:44
JStrikeegon_spengler : You can get the a new wallpaper from Synaptic with the Ubuntu November wallpaper12:44
JStrikeJust search for ubuntu in Synaptic12:45
eruinshingoki: uh,huh, so impractical!12:45
ograimanewbie_: do it like described in the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto12:45
egon_spengleralready did the ubuntu-calendar apt-get install12:45
shingokiWell I'm gonna go see if I break my ubuntu install trying to get ati driver. if it works, I will be SO impressed with ubuntu12:45
egon_spenglerI mean the one featured in the OSDir writeup/screenies12:51
shingokiany distro that can get the ati drivers working with a few commands deserves great respect12:51
eruinubuntu breaking? nonsense ;)12:51
JStrikeegon_spengler : Not sure.12:51
cardadorshingoki: just follow the howto and itll work out fine12:51
ograshingoki: tra the wiki for ati :)12:51
JStrikeSo, anyone have an idea about the libnautilus problem?12:51
stvnwildcode_: very weird, if /etc/resolv.conf points to the correct DNS server and the DNS server is a normal DNS server, your IP is valid, it should work ...12:51
egon_spenglerBig foofarah about it, ubuntu listed the package download link, and now can't find it.12:51
eruinanyone else noticed how osdirs recent distro screenshots just look like repetitive galleries of basic gnome functions?12:51
ograJStrike: libnautilus ?12:51
egon_spenglerI LIKED that theme12:51
imanewbie_ogra: thx for the link, is the reported bug serious?12:51
ograimanewbie_: the xmms one ? yes12:51
JStrikeogra : Scoll up and see my posts from a couple of minutes ago12:51
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wildcode_stvn, whats weird, is it'll work for a while (occassionally) but then suddenly as it worked, it'll fail (most times it fails including at boot) ... nothing in logs shed any light on it12:51
imanewbie_so I cant use xine right? how can I see vidoes?12:51
ograimanewbie_: xine ?12:51
eruinI use xine here12:51
JStrikeegon_spengler : I was good, but not worth going to all the trouble of finding it12:51
eruinto view, divx, quicktime, etc12:51
imanewbie_eruin: do you used the drivers?12:51
eruinimanewbie_: I grabbed avifile and the w32 codecs12:51
karlhegDoes the libdecss get installed by default?12:51
eruinkarlheg: no12:51
stvnwildcode_: hm, I'm very much at a loss here, better ask a smarter person ;)12:51
ograimanewbie_: the bug is about xmms... an ancient nostalgic music player....12:51
imanewbie_oki thx12:51
karlhegSo one must still get them from the marillat site?12:51
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wildcode_stvn: the time server sync at boot will sometimes succeed, most times fail cause of the dns issue, when it succeeds dns will only work for a little while (a few mins) before ti fails12:51
ograkarlheg: as long as nobody changes the law....12:51
stvnwildcode_: my guess is that something else is interfering12:51
eruinwhat's wrong with libdecss btw?12:51
wildcode_stvn, thats what I am thinking, but with no clues ....12:51
eruinit's ruled completely legal here12:51
ograeruin: where is here ??12:51
shingokiogra, cardador: Just run through the howto... installing last packages... fingers crossed12:51
eruinshould be in the clear in the EU too?12:51
shingokiI've tried soooo many times to install ATI12:51
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eruinsince we don't have retarded IP laws like the us12:51
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shingokieruin: Thats not true any more12:52
shingokieruin: Look for "EUCD" on google12:52
eruinpoland trashed the ministry ruling12:52
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diegox doesn't want to start, "no screens found error" on nforce2 board. fresh install12:52
JStrikeThere must be something I am overlooking. Cant really do all that much without Nautilus12:52
diegonvidia geforce4 card12:52
ograJStrike: did you search for nautilus in synaptic ? should show up everything with this name12:55
cardadorJStrike: try to restart X, or reboot. happened to me today12:55
cardadorJStrike: after a dist-upgrade12:55
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JStrikeogra : Yep. Have almost everything installed and upgraded bar the -dev packages and the media packages12:55
jdubJStrike: using hoary? killall gnome-vfs-daemon12:55
imihow long would a used laptop battery run using windows when it runs for 2 hours in linux without x?12:55
jdubJStrike: then killall nautilus12:55
imihow long would a used laptop battery run using windows when it runs for 2 hours in linux without x?12:55
diegowell, anyone have anything for me to try so i can start X?12:55
ogradiego: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree8601:03
eruinshingoki: nm, I was referring to the patent issue01:03
shingokinot sure if ATi setup worked, its changed my refresh rate for some reason, but I still get Mesa as glx driver01:03
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imanewbie_worked =)01:03
diegoogra: ty01:03
JStrikejdub : Nope. Didn't work01:03
eruinshingoki: as in, you can't patent software in EU like you can in US01:03
eruinmy bad01:03
ograshingoki: you  have to load the kernel module and log out and in again...to be sure its loaded you could also reboot01:03
shingokieruin: Patent thing is coming here too, the European Commission will push it through, they don't care that it has been democratically and analyticallyrejected01:03
shingokiogra: I'm just trying a reboot now01:03
eruinshingoki: ohwell, thank god we're not a EU member01:03
shingokieruin: The reason why decss may be (is?) illegal in the US is the DMCA, since it is a "copyright circumvention device" or some such lame thing, that is what the EUCD does for Europe, except that the EUCD is even worse than the DMCA, especially the way the UK plan to implement it01:03
shingokieruin: Which country?01:03
ograshingoki: followed all four points ?01:03
eruinshingoki: norway01:03
shingokiogra: Yup... let me see how it goes after reboot01:03
ograshingoki: k01:03
shingokieruin: You;d better hope your government doesn't decide it wants reasonable trading relations with the US, or probably the EU soon, they will use them to force you into similar laws, as has been done with Australia, not that Australia is exactly a beacon of liberty anyway01:03
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ograeruin: seen this ? http://tinyurl.com/6d4wf01:03
eruinshingoki: we've had a supreme court ruling that "copyright circumvention" for the purpose of enabling playback/usage on non-standard user devices is perfectly legal01:03
shingokieruin: That will probably last as long as a snowball in hell, but good luck to you guys, I like norway :) I might find myself over there soon if things keep going the way they are ;)01:03
diegoogra: hmm, it still doesn't want to start. maybe i should try the nvidia accelerated graphics?01:03
ogradiego: hmm, nv should work01:03
d-bIs there a modem query utility installed in Warty by default?01:03
eruinshingoki: yeah, I know, the european economic something treaty... they try forcing us in lots of cases, but we stil have veto.01:03
ograd-b: you mean wvdial ? its handled by the network tool in your computer menu01:03
eruinI'll move to india the day we join the EU :p01:03
shingokieruin: Eventually it will get through. The US companies that are the prime motivators behind all this IP crap don't win unless they force us all into copy-cat laws. If any countries stand up and ignore software patents, they actually reap huge benefits for themselves. This is why it is so strange that EU etc. are adopting these laws - but of course the reason is industry lobbying01:03
d-bogra: It doesn't go well with my modem.01:03
ograd-b: but its the default....what you asked....01:03
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eruinshingoki: hopefull the EU will evolve into something more US-hostile than it already is01:03
shingokieruin: If norway ignores software patents, you guys can all just use free software and get the benefits of that. When you invent something cool, go and patent it in the US, and you still get protected there, and get to sell in a huge market - its the perfect situation for Norwegians01:03
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eruinshingoki: hmm, government is switching to linux all over the place01:03
shingokieruin: That is why the US will try anything it can to get you guys to shoot yourselves in the foot, so that US corps are able to "own" an idea across the whole globe01:03
d-bogra: Strange my modem doesn't want to dial.01:03
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shingokieruin: I'm not being wacko here, and its not jsut the US who want this, probably some EU countries think they will pick up some of the scraps as well... anywya, I hope you manage to resist it ;)01:03
ograd-b: hmm, a external one ?01:03
d-bd-b: yeah. on /dev/ttyS101:03
eruinshingoki: obviously they do, yeah. I don't think anyone here is willing to let that happen in any way, though01:09
shingokiok... so looks like boot has stopped after "starting hotplug system"... I'm guessing this is just before X starts?01:09
ograd-b: sure its S1 ? S0 is the first one normally01:09
imidoes the power consumption of a laptop depend on whether a graphical interface is running or not?01:09
eruinright, back to my paper :)01:09
__danielimi: i think so01:09
d-bogra: S1's my mouse. :-(01:09
ograd-b: ah01:09
shingokieruin: We aren't either - our only democratic representatives in the EU, the europarl, voted strongly against SW patents, but we will get them anyway. Perhaps a similar thing will happen in norway. You see not many people know or care anything about SW patents, so it is fairly easy for a government to push through, for whatever little kickbacks they get (not necessarily bribes, but there must be some nice presents the US can g01:09
imi__daniel, the battery i'm talking about ran 1:45 hours without x. how long would it make it with a gui? what do you think?01:09
shingokiimi: If the backlight is switched off, that may make a big difference.01:09
__danielimi: no idea01:09
imimaybe an hour?01:09
imii wanna sell the battery of my old laptop and the description is targeted mainly to win98 (cough) users01:09
mirakdamn unison doesn't work01:09
mirakit creates .#something folders01:09
ograd-b: try pppconfig ..... then "pon provider" to dial and "poff" to hangup01:09
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shingokioh god, ati driver has completely killed my install01:09
shingokinow it has "lost interrupt" on hda01:09
__danielshingoki: i don't think that's related to ATI01:09
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: in /etc/hdparm.conf01:09
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: enable /dev/hda and set interrupt_unmask = on01:10
diegoogra_dogwalk: no framebuffer fixed it01:12
shingokiI think its because I booted in safe mode01:12
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: lol01:12
shingokiwould that affect the ide settings and cause that error?01:12
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shingokiAh but you see I booted in safe mode because I couldn't get to login any more :(01:12
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shingokiIt's a nforce2 (hrgrgrhhh!) if that explains anything01:22
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: try the hdparm stuff....01:22
shingokiogra_dogwalk: I'm just struggling to edit anything ATM, it takes about 30 seconds to read/write anything on drive01:22
shingokiI'm quite impressed it manages at all01:22
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: hmmm... but this could solve it.... a bootoption like nolapic could probably help or pci=noacpi etc.....01:22
__danielshingoki: your hard disk is alright?01:22
shingoki__daniel: I think so, unless it just suddently decided to go.01:22
LinuxJonesWhat file can I edit to stop modules from loading like vesafb and agpgart ?01:22
ogra_dogwalkLinuxJones: /etc/hotplug/blacklist i think01:22
shingokiogra_dogwalk: I'll see what happens when I boot this time01:22
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shingokiogra_dogwalk: It's still not happy01:22
LinuxJonesogra_dogwalk, I tried that already :(01:22
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: with the hdparm entry ?01:22
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ogra_dogwalkshingoki: try the edit option in grub and try different boot options01:22
shingokiogra_dogwalk: I'll try that now, I just set the driver back to ati, to see if I could boot in normal mode01:22
ogra_dogwalkshingoki: k01:22
shingokiogra_dogwalk: Thanks for help btw ;)01:22
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D0wnXcaSTI'm a real newbi with linux taht want to learn :) . I just installed ubuntu 4.10 on my pc, and i would like to know if there is any good documentations or tutos on how to config my internet, and other stuff like that good for newbies like me ?01:22
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, >> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#gettingstarted01:22
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D0wnXcaSTthanks! ill check this out and try to configure my internet so i can look on web for docs to help me out01:22
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Cloudchaserwoohoo! i just hooked up cordless mouse on ubuntu and it worked!01:23
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CharbaxI have corless too.. but cannot install ubuntu yet01:26
Cloudchaserits awesome01:26
Cloudchaseri installed it yesterday01:27
stvnwhat options are there to mess with apci/apm in grub01:27
Charbaxfor now I'm not impressed with cordless and optical.. that blinking red light is driving me nuts01:27
stvnI remember pci=noapci and noapic, but there are more iirc01:27
__danielCharbax: take the mouse out of your face and put it back on the mouse pad :-)01:28
wasabi__Where is the LANGUAGE environmental variable established by ubuntu?01:28
wasabi__Mine is setting to en_GB, when I choose en_US at installation.01:28
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stvnCharbax: I hope your mouse has an off button, otherwise you''l be awake the entire night watching that marveloous red light ;)01:28
__danielwasabi__: dpkg-reconfigure locales01:29
Cloudchasermine's not optical01:31
wasabi__odd. locales debconf is set to en_US01:31
Faustuswho was I talking to about rss-glx and xscreensaver last night?01:31
D0wnXcaSTlinuxjones, can i have irc with linux ?01:31
wasabi__but my language env var is still wrong01:31
stvnD0wnXcaST: eh?01:31
wasabi__Ahh! /etc/environment01:31
wasabi__it lists en_GB01:31
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, >> yes xchat is awesome it's available for windows too I think01:31
shingokiCharbax: Optical mice are great, and if the red light irritates you, there must be some that dont have it, or you can tape over the back, it doens't do aything. cordless stuff is generally awful though01:31
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, >> there must be 1,000 irc clients for Linux :D01:31
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D0wnXcaSTI'm presently on my windows partition, because i didnt configure my internet on ubuntu yet. I'll have to find out how, because my cable modem is usb01:31
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D0wnXcaSTok ! I'm real new to linux stuff , but i think i'll learn a lot01:31
Charbaxmaybe cordless headset, but this mouse.. even when I take out the batteries it keeps blinking like a bicycle backlight.. I think I'm gonna throw it out the window01:31
Charbaxand use tabs01:31
D0wnXcaSTfirst tghing i would liek , is to config. my internet on linux so i could work and read docs in linux01:31
__danielCharbax: :-))01:31
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, you will learn alot about computers using Linux.01:31
shingokiD0wnXcaST: That could be interesting... I've got a USB ADSL modem that works though01:32
shingokiD0wnXcaST: If you can get one, a nice cable modem with ethernet connection and built in firewall would be a nice thing to have and a lot easier to set up ;)01:32
D0wnXcaSTok, my modem as the 2 option, usb or ethernet. would it be easier for me if i use the ehternet port instead of usb?01:33
Satz_AFKoh yeah01:33
Agrajagwhy the hell would you use usb, that's horrible01:33
Satz_AFKway easier01:33
D0wnXcaSTAgrajag: because i used my ethernet card for my xbox01:33
D0wnXcaSTanyway, i'll unplug it and use it for internet01:35
shingokiAgrajag: The USB adsl modem I have was free, it works well, and it's plugged into a smoothwall which I trust way more than a combined ADSL-firewall router01:35
Satz_AFK2nd hand pci nics are cheap... $2-301:35
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, can you plug a network cable into your cable modem or is it only usb ?01:35
Satz_AFKbuy another one01:35
D0wnXcaSTLinuxJones>: sure, i can01:35
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, do that and reboot :)01:35
shingokiD0wnXcaST: How do you use an ethernet card for xbox? You mean you used a patch cable to link pc to xbox, and shared pc connection with xbox?01:35
D0wnXcaSTthats it01:35
shingokiD0wnXcaST: Ah, in that case what you need is a switch, you should get one ;)01:35
Agrajagjust get another NIC01:35
D0wnXcaSTlinuxjones, in a few minutes, ill do what you said, plus modem with a network cable, than reboot01:35
Agrajaga switch would do no good01:35
shingokiD0wnXcaST: then you can have the xbox and PC both on the network01:35
shingokiAgrajag: Of course it would01:39
D0wnXcaST<shingoki>: i know :)01:39
Agrajaghe'd only get one IP address from his ISP, most likely.01:39
shingokiAgrajag: That is why god invented NAT01:39
Agrajagshingoki: then he need s anat box, not a switch.01:39
Cloudchasera linksys-type  router with switchports01:39
shingokiAgrajag: He can run the NAT on his PC, much cheaper to get a plan switch01:39
shingokiplan = plain01:39
Cloudchaserfor 35.00 linksys is easier01:39
shingokiWell if he can get a cheap good firewalling NAT router then that would be good too, but I can't say I've ever found one ;)01:39
HrdwrBoBand less screwing around01:39
HrdwrBoBshingoki: I have a linksys WRT54GS01:39
D0wnXcaSTLinuxjones: is there any other docs than the unofficial ubuntu installation guide that could help me ?01:39
D0wnXcaSTgetting started &01:39
shingokiHrdwrBoB: I'm not a security expert, but doesn't that have lots of known vulnerabilities?01:39
HrdwrBoBit cost $155 AUD, it runs full linux (openWRT) has four 10/100 ports, b/g wireless and is aroute01:39
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shingokiAh ok if you replaced the firmware ;)01:39
HrdwrBoBshingoki: no01:39
ogra_dogwalkD0wnXcaST: look at the wiki01:39
ogra_dogwalkD0wnXcaST: there is a lot info01:39
D0wnXcaSTi took a look at it yesterday, but not enough, i'll have to check this out again.01:39
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D0wnXcaSTinfo for noobds like me ?01:39
shingokiI'm running a little EPIA board I had around anyway, so it wasn't very expensive/hard to make a PC router01:39
CloudchaserHrdwrBoB, i haven't seen that01:39
LinuxJonesD0wnXcaST, ya wiki will kepp you busy :)01:39
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HrdwrBoBbut it takes next to no power, it doesn't crash, etc etc01:39
HrdwrBoBCloudchaser: it's a neat little package01:39
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shingokiHrdwrBoB: Well, same for the EPIA, but I have to say I wouldn't mind one of those instead, I assumed you were running original crappy firmware01:39
D0wnXcaSTso , ill try to go and config my internet over ubuntu, and ill be back01:40
D0wnXcaSTthanks guys01:40
CloudchaserHrdwrBoB, did it come like that?01:40
shingokiEPIA takes about 80watts I think, and I don't think its ever crashed01:40
HrdwrBoBshingoki: even the original firmware is fine01:40
HrdwrBoBCloudchaser: not with openWRT on it, but apart from that01:40
shingokiHrdwrBoB: I'd just heard bad things about it, might be another model but I thought it had a back door01:40
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HrdwrBoBit has a backdoor that allows you to update the firmware01:41
Cloudchaserdid you put the openWRT on it?01:41
shingokiHrdwrBoB: I don't think I would trust a proprietary router firmware, not if you can get an open one01:41
HrdwrBoBbut that's only accessible from the local side01:41
HrdwrBoBCloudchaser: yes01:41
imanewbie_can I run a irc client from my terminal?01:41
HrdwrBoBimanewbie_: yes, run 'irssi'01:41
HrdwrBoBheh, and you can even install irssi on the router :)01:42
imanewbie_HrdwrBoB: time to rtfm01:43
CloudchaserHrdwrBoB, thats very interesting01:43
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Cloudchaseri googled for it..i might have to put that on my list to try01:43
HrdwrBoBCloudchaser: the WRT54GS has 8mb flash and 32mb ram01:43
KeithWeissharthe list of isa nic cards only appear when i install in expert mode01:43
shingokiI think the ubuntu startup sound hits the "brown note"01:43
HrdwrBoBthe WRT54G has less01:43
HrdwrBoBKeithWeisshar: this is because ISA is from the dark ages01:43
KeithWeissharmy computer is 6 years old01:44
HrdwrBoBis it detected when not in expert mode?01:44
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HrdwrBoBif you want01:44
HrdwrBoBI will send you a PCI NIC01:44
KeithWeisshari don't have any empty pci slots01:44
imanewbie_HrdwrBoB: I couldnt a find a 3 step tutorial :p01:45
imanewbie_HrdwrBoB: I'm too lazy to think now01:45
HrdwrBoBimanewbie_: for irssi?01:45
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KeithWeissharshould i reinstall ubuntu in expert mode01:46
HrdwrBoBno need01:46
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imanewbie_HrdwrBoB: yes01:46
HrdwrBoBwhat card is ot01:46
imanewbie_HrdwrBoB: How do  I join this room with that?01:46
KeithWeissharetherlink iii01:46
HrdwrBoBimanewbie_: in 3 seconds, you want /connect to connect to a new server, /join #channel to join channels01:46
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KeithWeissharhow do i configure dhcp after modprobing 3c50901:47
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HrdwrBoBKeithWeisshar: if you have run the modprobe and it's fine01:47
HrdwrBoBadd it to /etc/modules01:47
HrdwrBoBthen run network-admin01:47
HrdwrBoBsudo network-admin01:48
KeithWeissharhow do i load the sound driver01:48
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KeithWeissharit's an onboad isapnp01:48
KeithWeissharhow do i load the alsa driver for the cs423501:48
_Imanewbie_123 testing01:48
_Imanewbie_anyone there?01:48
HrdwrBoBhey newbie01:49
_Imanewbie_Cool stuff!01:49
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_Imanewbie_how do I change the actual active window?01:49
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HrdwrBoBalt+0,1,2,3,4 etc01:50
HrdwrBoBto close a query window is /unq01:50
HrdwrBoBwhen you /part a channel it auto closes the window01:50
_Imanewbie_it seems very interesting01:51
HrdwrBoBirssi is good01:51
HrdwrBoBif you run it with 'screen'01:52
HrdwrBoBeg: screen irssi01:52
HrdwrBoByou can press ctrl-a, then d01:52
HrdwrBoBit detaches it01:52
HrdwrBoBand screen -r01:52
HrdwrBoBreattaches it01:52
HrdwrBoBso you can restart X, come on from an ssh session, etc01:52
HrdwrBoBand still use it01:52
XenguyHrdwrBoB: heh - didn't know about the /unq trick01:53
HrdwrBoBXenguy: :)01:53
HrdwrBoBleanr something new every day01:53
HrdwrBoBwhat were you doing?01:53
Xenguyaye :-)01:53
HrdwrBoBleaving them to stack up? :)01:53
XenguyHrdwrBoB: basically, yeah01:53
shingokiI swear I will never buy another ATi graphics card01:53
Xenguyshingoki: how come?01:54
Xenguyshingoki: (just curious)01:54
shingokiXenguy: Because I must have spent a few working days worth of hours trying to get my card goin under linux, and it jsut isn't funny any more01:55
shingokiXenguy: Apparently the nvidia cards are back to being better bang for buck anyway01:55
shingokiXenguy: I don't want to support a company that thinks good drivers for all platforms are a luxury01:56
_Imanewbie_ fogo01:56
Xenguyshingoki: nod (all my vid cards are crap, so I don't know one way or another)01:56
_Imanewbie_woops sorry wrong tab01:56
_Imanewbie_every day I get happier with linux01:57
_Imanewbie_I can't figure out how I could have lost so much time with Windows01:57
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shingokiXenguy: When I got my card, a 9800, it was a good deal better performance than the nvidia card at the same price. Apparently the nvidia 6600 (i think thats the right number) is good and cheap at the moment01:58
Cloudchaseri'd be happier with linux if i could get my gps apps to work on it01:58
shingoki_Imanewbie_: Yeah linux rocks :) And the only ways in which it doesn't rock are entirely the fault of M$ and hardware makers ;)01:58
_Imanewbie_Cloudchaser: why do you need a gps on your pc?01:58
Cloudchaseri don't01:58
Cloudchaseri use a gps and the mapping software is windows only01:59
_Imanewbie_shingoki: I've tried ubuntu, slackware, and debian01:59
shingoki_Imanewbie_: You have my respect for managing to install debian if you are a linux newbie ;)02:00
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_Imanewbie_slack is the best one to learn, but I was in need of a fast and easy to use distro, so i've tried sarge, it was a PAIN to install, I lost a role afternoon to set up x and finally figure out that that crap dhcp tool couldnt discover my addres02:00
_Imanewbie_so I couldnt apt-get stuff02:01
GotD0thow do i check FPS in hoary02:01
__danielgood night02:01
shingoki_Imanewbie_: Yeah I did the same thing with sarge, it's great that there is stuff like ubuntu and mepis and knoppix now, so you don't have to go through the hell of the debian install02:01
ogranight all02:01
shingokiogra: Night ;)02:01
_Imanewbie_than Ive tried debian CDD-br wich is also a sarge custom distro, and that crap found my dhcp but I was unable to set the x up02:02
ogranacht __daniel02:02
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shingokiogra: hda all right again now, not sure why, it kinda fixed itself, so I set the hdparms as well for luck ;)02:02
shingokiogra: Given up on ati driver, it's evil02:02
plasmoGotD0t: you could try glxgears but thats pretty unreliable ;)02:02
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_Imanewbie_so a friend of mine said me to give ubuntu a chance, well I feel I'm using debian. I'm very happy, it is a light distro I dont feel kinda using a red hat or conectiva02:02
KeithWeisshari got my isa nic working02:03
ograshingoki: it should work.... though02:03
KeithWeisshar3c509 in /etc/modules and network-admin02:03
GotD0twhat config file does hoary use for X02:03
shingokiogra: It should, but you have to remember what ati linux driver is like, I didn't really expect it to work02:03
KeithWeissharis network-admin available on the start menu02:03
_Imanewbie_GotD0t : xfree86-402:03
shingoki_Imanewbie_: Redhat is pretty crappy.02:03
plasmohoary = /etc/X11/xorg.conf02:03
ograshingoki: it works for some hundrets of ppl currently...02:04
GotD0tplasmo: are you sure... i dont see xorg.conf in /etc/X1102:04
shingoki_Imanewbie_: I know its kind of minimalist when you install it but AFAICT you can get everything you could get for redhat pretty easily02:04
plasmoare you using hoary?02:04
KeithWeisshari still can't get the sound to work02:04
plasmoor warty02:04
shingokiogra: Really? The accelerated 3D driver, not the plain ATI 2D one?02:04
GotD0tplasmo: yea i am02:04
_Imanewbie_GotD0t: look for XFree86config-402:04
KeithWeissharubuntu gives an error no soundcards found when loading alsa-ctl02:04
shingokiogra: I didn't think a hundred people in the world, on any distro, had got the ati drivers to work02:04
ograshingoki: the ati binary one from the wiki on warty02:05
KeithWeissharwhat do i need to do to configure the isa soundcard02:05
shingokiogra: Maybe its just me then ;) I went through the steps exactly, doesn't work.02:05
_Imanewbie_I think all distros are cool as long as they have a nice phylosophy02:06
_Imanewbie_kind a reason to be like they are02:06
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ograshingoki: so you probably should file a bug then...some of the X-Men could care then :)02:06
shingokiogra: But I've only heard horrible horrible things about the binary drivers, in terms of them depending on having different settings on different hardware, so I may just have hardware that the drivers dont like. Maybe because it is an nforce2 board. ANyway thanks for help ;)02:06
plasmoif you did a dist-upgrade to hoary you should have x.org then :d02:06
shingokiogra: X-Men?02:06
plasmounless u just did a  apt-get upgrade02:07
ograshingoki: daniles or fabbione02:07
ogradaniels i meant02:07
ograshingoki: the ubuntu X hackers :)02:08
KeithWeisshari'm in ubuntu xchat now02:08
shingokiogra: I certainly don't mind filing a bug report, but at the moment it would just say, "doesn't work" ;) I could dig around to see what is going wrong but I have spent so much time on different distros trying to get stupid ati card to work, I don't want it to claim any more of my soul ;)02:08
KeithWeisshari got the internet working but need to work on the sound02:08
KeithWeissharthere is only one more isa device that needs to be setup02:08
KeithWeissharit's the onboard chip\02:08
ograshingoki: if  ("doesn't work")  == bug.... in ubuntu !02:09
KeithWeissharit's a cs423502:09
shingokiogra: I just got to the point today where stuff is mostly working, finally managed to record sound under linux, yay!02:09
shingokiogra: I'm just guessing that it wouldn't be much help unless I gave the error logs and stuff ;)02:09
KeithWeissharwhat version of alsa does ubuntu ship with02:09
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ograKeithWeisshar: you need the snd-cs4236 module and the snd-mixer-oss module02:09
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shingokioh ogra, can I bother you with one more problem?02:10
ograshingoki: they could ask you.....for that ....02:10
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shingokiogra: Okee dokee where do I report bug?02:10
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ograshingoki: but only a short one, its 2:10am  here02:10
_Imanewbie_How many ppl here studies computer science?02:10
_Imanewbie_I know it is off-topic so if it is wrong sorry02:11
ograshingoki: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/02:11
KeithWeissharapt-get upgrade alsa02:11
plasmommm cs. friend of mine does it :)02:11
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_Imanewbie_I'm tired of it, I study like a moron and get bombed in tests02:11
HrdwrBoBI went to unit for a while02:11
D0wnXcaSTI'm back, but with no success. I'm trying to get my cable modem to work in ubuntu, and i'm not able at all. anyone has some docs taht could help me?02:11
HrdwrBoBer uni02:12
shingokiogra: Heh it's 1:10am here :) Ok super-quick - I've got a crappy soundcard in my PC now, 8738 thingy I think, it works for recording line-in, finally :) But soundblaster live 5.1 didn't work, neither did turtle beach one02:12
HrdwrBoBD0wnXcaST: more information02:12
shingokiogra: Is it a known thing that some sound cards just won't record?02:12
HrdwrBoBwhat cable modem02:12
HrdwrBoBwhat provider02:12
HrdwrBoBwhat error02:12
D0wnXcaSTHrdwrBoB: ok, my modem cable is link to my pc via my ethernet card02:12
ograshingoki: hmm, never used a mic on linux.....5.1 neither02:12
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_Imanewbie_doesnt this client saves passed conversation?02:13
D0wnXcaSTand i'm trying to config. it, but doesnt seem to work. some time the app to config network in ubuntu does an error and ask me if i want to restart application02:13
Kirschhey guys, is there a good file compare program that shows the differences line by line? diff kinda sux02:13
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D0wnXcaSTbob: in windows, my ethernet config are at automatic ip and dns. in linux i tried auto DHCP and didnt work02:13
_Imanewbie_Kirsch: I think kdeveloper has this option02:14
D0wnXcaSTdo i have anything else to config ?02:14
shingokiogra: Ah well ;) I was trying to record from mic and also line-in02:14
KeithWeissharwhy do i get command not found when running alsaconf02:14
epodthat was so weird.02:14
ograKirsch: meld02:14
ograKeithWeisshar: its not used in ubuntu02:14
epodD0wnXcaST, ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ifconfig eth0 up02:14
ogranight guys02:14
epodD0wnXcaST, ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 up02:15
plasmonight dude02:15
KeithWeissharis there any way to configure the isa soundcard02:15
shingokinight ogra02:15
D0wnXcaST<epod> : ??? sorry, i'm realy new to linux02:15
KeithWeissharwhen ubuntu loads alsactl it gives a soundcard not found error02:15
D0wnXcaSTepod, is it a command that i have to write in console ?02:15
epodD0wnXcaST, type the following: sudo ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 up02:16
plasmodownxcat: yes02:16
epodD0wnXcaST, yes, see if that brings up your ethernet with DHCP02:16
KeithWeissharhow do i configure the crystal cs4235 sound chip02:16
KeithWeissharit's an isapnp chip02:16
KeithWeissharthe port is 534, irq is 5 and dma is 102:16
D0wnXcaSTepod, ok, so i have to write ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ifconfig eth0 up. in the console ?02:16
plasmoyes :D02:17
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epodD0wnXcaST, you'll need to write 'sudo ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 up' without the quotes02:17
D0wnXcaSTill try this02:17
D0wnXcaSTwhat sudo for ?02:17
epodsudo lets you do things as root02:17
epodyour user account won't be able to bring up and down ethernet interfaces02:17
lancelottyou can do su -c "command here" if you don't have sudo or are not wheel02:18
epodlancelott, how could someone on ubuntu not have sudo? ;)02:18
KeithWeissharhow do i configure the isa sound02:18
epodgood point though.02:18
plasmoits disabled by default :>02:18
epodKeithWeisshar, ummm... no idea.02:18
RiddellKirsch: kdiff, kompare02:18
KeithWeissharit's a crystal cs4235 chip02:19
D0wnXcaSTepod, should those command config my ethernet card ?02:19
epodD0wnXcaST, if it uses DHCP, yeah.02:19
D0wnXcaSTanyway, thanks, ill reboot to linux and give it a try. thanks02:19
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epodand as long as your kernel is *seeing* your card, i.e. has support for it02:20
epodoh.  he left.02:20
Faustusdoes anyone know if the fix for rage 128 cards and OpenGL (wich xscreensaver apparetly uses) are submitted to testing?02:20
_Imanewbie_Dudes do you think a 64-bit athlon worths its cost?02:21
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georgia_Imanewbie_: depends what you plan to do with it really. if you're just an average user, browse the web, some email, listen to music, etc, probably not.02:22
speelany one know where i can find some decent games?02:22
plasmowat kind of games02:23
speelprefrably first person02:23
plasmoenemy terroritory02:23
speelyea enemy territory has a multiplayer demo does ut have a demo out?02:24
_Imanewbie_georgia: I'm a computer science student, I kinda *need* a got hardware currently I have an AMD Thlon XP 2000+ 256 MB RAM and a GeForce FX 5200 Video Card, and I'm kinda happy with it, but I got some money to spare, so I tought about investing it on pc02:24
plasmoenemy terrority is full game.lol theres no demo02:24
speelyea there is theres a multiplayer demo02:25
HrdwrBoBthere is?02:25
georgia_Imanewbie_: if you're happy with what you have you almost certainly have no reason to upgrade to 64 bit, put some more RAM in your machine, maybe add disk space.02:25
HrdwrBoBthe whole thing is purely multiplayer02:25
HrdwrBoBand free02:25
speelthen why do they sell it in stores?02:25
HrdwrBoB_Imanewbie_: a PC is not an investment :)02:25
epodMore ram is always good.02:26
_Imanewbie_I was thinking about a new video card but I cant see 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 colours so I dont need a 256  MB one02:26
plasmothink about halflife2 :)02:27
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HrdwrBoB_Imanewbie_: if you play games02:27
HrdwrBoBa 5200 is ... little more than garbage02:27
calamari_hope you're not talking about the Atari 5200 :)02:28
plasmofx5200 aint good :/02:28
_Imanewbie_JrdwrBoB I dont play, mostly cause I was unable to find a decent game in ages02:28
_Imanewbie_Dudes keep in mind I live in brazil, stuff is expensive here02:28
calamari__Imanewbie_: MAME02:29
_Imanewbie_calamari_ ?02:30
plasmoall i need is a nice 3d mmorpg02:30
HrdwrBoB_Imanewbie_: order it from US02:30
HrdwrBoBget it shipped02:30
evandrohi !!! can anyone help me on a small problem ? I'm trying to set the backgrounds of ion frames using a picture. I've been trying to use "xsetroot -bitmap filename" at my .xinitrc but it doesn't work. is there another aproach ?02:30
plasmomame is a nice emulator02:30
evandroof course I'm using ubuntu02:30
HrdwrBoBevandro: right click on desktop, change desktop background?02:30
evandroand ion = ion window manager02:30
evandroHrdwrBoB, no...i think ion it's not so easy and I would like to change this at my .xinitrc. is it possible ?02:31
calamari_I don't have Ubuntu yet (ordered the cd), but I'm prepping what I'll need to install.  The docs say that I won't be able to play MP3's.. Doesn't xmms play them, or is the mp3 plugin not available?02:31
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plasmogstreamer0.8.mad or something02:31
plasmohold on. ill check02:32
calamari_plasmo: yeah.. I'm also glad that I can buy licensed games for it so I'm not pirating02:32
plasmo'gstreamer0.8-mad' for mp302:32
georgia_Imanewbie_: more memory is a good bet then, if you dont play many games its either memory or disk space, and your machine will last you a fair while longer02:32
MagicFabI'd like to install the "murasaki" package, but it selects a bunch of things to be removed, including ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop meta-p[ackages... why is this ?02:32
georgiai'm getting by on a 1GHZ machine, because it does what i need it to do, i even still make REGULAR use of a 200MHz machine, whic is more than powerful enough for what i use it for02:33
epodI just downgraded from a 3.2ghz P4 to a 2.802:33
epodthe 3.2 was a notebook.. dumb thing was just too heavy/huge/bad battery life02:33
jdubMagicFab: it probably conflicts with packages in our seeds02:34
MagicFabthe usbmgr package does that too...02:35
jdubMagicFab: it conflicts with hotplug02:35
jdubwhy would you want to install it?02:35
jdubhotplug is the supported tool to do that (and the leading choice)02:35
MagicFabit supports my scanner.02:35
jdubthat's probably just a matter of getting device ids into hotplug or the module02:36
MagicFabI'm really new to hardware problems.. ;)02:36
MagicFabnot sure how to go about that.02:36
jdubwell, you probably don't need to deal with it02:37
jdubjust load the kernel module for your scanner02:37
calamari_how big are the universe and multiverse archives?02:37
MagicFabthe murasaki package seems to be maintained, though02:37
jdubas is hotplug :)02:37
MagicFabwell, I wouldn't know how to "just load the kernel module for my scanner"02:38
jdubwhat kind of scanner do you have?02:38
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MagicFabVisoneer OneTouch 5300 USB02:39
_Imanewbie_wich is the best athlon I can run in a A7S33302:39
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MagicFabbug report: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=325402:39
MagicFabsane has an ID but can't use it02:40
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plasmocalamari : u havent installed ubuntu yet? :-)02:41
D0wnXcaSTNICE :) Im presently on linux ! :) thanks to youguys ! that config in the terminal work just fine02:41
plasmonice to hear that downxcast :P02:42
D0wnXcaSTthanks :)02:42
MagicFabD-cast: bienvenue au club :D02:42
speelhey i have a question how do you install a metacity theme?02:42
D0wnXcaSTMagicFab, merci ! comment sais-tu que je suis francais ^ :)02:43
MagicFabjdub: don't leave me here, excited ;)02:43
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D0wnXcaSTok ! lol :)02:43
plasmocomputer > desktop perf > themes > install02:43
speelo ok i thaught there was a special way02:43
MagicFabd-Cast: mc.videotron.ca c'est vident ;)02:43
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D0wnXcaSToui , je vien de voir ca aussi :)02:44
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speelman french is currently my worst class lol02:45
plasmosuch a hot day down here in australia -_-02:46
MagicFabjdub: if you find an answer, it'd be nice you add it to my bug report02:47
speelfreezing here in nyc :(02:47
plasmoi would kill for snow lol02:47
epodplasmo, we have plenty up here in northern canada02:48
MagicFabDoes anyone know how to do a  with a "non-deadkeys" keyboard ?02:48
MagicFabsorry... "us w/deadkeys"02:49
cyberdrekMagicFab, ton prnom serait-il Fabian Rodriguez? (excuse moi si j'ai mal peler le nom de famille)02:50
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Cloudchaserheya everyone, anyone up for another newbie question?02:50
_Imanewbie_Cloudchaser: we all are =)02:51
plasmogo ahead02:51
Cloudchaseri installed wine from the repos...tried to install an app02:51
Cloudchasererr:dc:CreateDCW no driver found for L"WINEPS"02:51
Cloudchaserfixme:winspool:AddPrinterW DocumentPropertiesW on printer 'L"LaserJet-6MP"' fails02:51
Cloudchasererr:dc:CreateDCW no driver found for L"WINEPS"02:51
Cloudchasergot that error02:51
Cloudchaseri googed for it02:51
speelwhat installation path should i install et?02:51
Cloudchaserwhat i found said something about a driver being missing02:51
Cloudchaseror wine printing02:51
Cloudchaserit said to get a binary from winehq02:52
plasmowat prog u installing02:52
plasmoare you trying to install microsoft word in wine? lol :D02:52
Cloudchasera game02:52
Cloudchaseri know it will work in wine02:52
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Cloudchaserdid it before a while ago02:52
Cloudchaserjust don't know what to do about that error02:52
_Imanewbie_hey guys thx for everything I gtg cya02:53
plasmonever seen that error before ?_?02:53
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Cloudchasercan i get wine from wine hq and compile it myself with a default installation?02:53
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plasmohold on. someone compiled the lastest wine for ubuntu. ill get a link02:54
Cloudchaseroh thank you ;)02:54
Cloudchaserok so now the question is...if i've installed from a repos02:55
Cloudchaserdo i uninstall the one i have?02:56
plasmoapt-get remove ?02:56
melazyboyare the fglrx drivers available to xorg yet?02:56
Cloudchaserwhich one of those in the list do i get? do i have to get all fo them?02:57
plasmoi think wine_0.0.20041019-1.3_i386.deb02:57
jdubmelazyboy: see daniels's post to ubuntu-users02:58
plasmothe rest are libs02:58
melazyboyI was talking to daniel, earlier today i gave him 2 links, where is his post located?02:58
plasmolibwine-print might solve your problem ?:x02:58
Cloudchaserok please forgive my ignorance...02:59
Cloudchaserif i download those 2 packages02:59
Cloudchaserit will tell me if i have a dependency?03:00
Cloudchaserdebian is new to me so i have to look up how to do things ;)03:00
plasmodpkg -i file.deb and itll tell you03:01
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plasmothats to install the file . if theres any dependency it should show03:01
plasmoare you using hoary?03:03
melazyboyjdub: I was talking to daniel, earlier today i gave him 2 links, where is his post located?03:03
vpallehmm.. when executing mplayer it just crashes.. i got it from "multiverse"03:04
jdubmelazyboy: on the ubuntu-users lsit03:05
plasmovpalle: try gmplayer03:05
vpalleplasmo, same thing :(03:06
plasmowat it say in console03:06
vpalleIllegal instruction03:06
Cloudchaseri got this error:03:06
Cloudchaser wine depends on libwine (= 0.0.20041019-1.3); however:03:06
Cloudchaser  Version of libwine on system is 0.0.20040615-1ubuntu1.03:06
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Cloudchaserso i must uninstall the one thats there03:06
siimocan ubuntu use debian packages for xfce4.2RC ?03:06
Cloudchaserand install the one from that link?03:07
siimoor does hoary already have RC version03:07
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melazyboyjdub, not seeing a user list...03:07
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cyberdreksiimo, let me get you the adress of a great site for repositories to xfce. wait03:07
Cloudchaseroh boy what a can of worms03:07
siimocyberdrek, is that the debian one? i already have it03:08
Cloudchaserremoving libwine gives a depends error too03:08
plasmoyou should have removed wine first lol03:08
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cyberdreksiimo, it's their own version with their own repos. go see. http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=3703:09
Cloudchaseri did03:09
Cloudchaseri removed it first03:09
Cloudchaserapparently it didn't remove everything03:09
siimocyberdrek, yeah that one is what i was talking about03:09
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sg47_hi fellas03:10
cyberdreksiimo, that's what I'm running right now on top of ubuntu which btw is based on debian so all debian repos work with it.03:10
jdubcyberdrek: we don't recommend mixing ubuntu and debian repositories. they *don't* all work with it.03:10
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cyberdrekjdub, I've been using them together for 3 weeks now and everything is fine!03:11
cyberdrekjdub, and I do install and uninstall a great deal of apps.03:11
Seqis there anything by default that prevents postfix from receiving mail? I cannot even telnet to it from outside of this machine03:11
sg47_how do I connect to another machine on the same network?03:11
jdubcyberdrek: that won't always be the case. nevertheless, it is not something we suggest or encourage.03:12
cyberdrekjdub, the day that isn't the case is the day I will get rid of ubuntu and go back to strictly debian.03:14
jdubcyberdrek: that'd be today :)03:14
cyberdrekjdub, oh and as for what you guys recommend, I haven't seen any notices anywhere saying not to mix them.03:14
jdububuntu is a branch of sid03:14
Cloudchaserso do i have to search and remove any wine-related things that didn't get installed when i removed wine?03:14
cyberdrekjdub, you think you're teaching me something new! <03:15
jdubwhen sarge is sufficiently old, and there are deeper differences with sid, ubuntu will not be 'compatible' with those repositories03:15
jdubin much the same way that sarge is not compatible with the sid or woody repositories03:15
sg47_how do I connect to another machine on the same network?03:16
MobyTurbojdub, actually, not precisely the same way - woody can be dist-upgraded to sarge or sid without many problems, the same isn't neccesarily the case for ubuntu & Debian repos.03:17
lamontSeq: you need to edit master.cf03:17
lamontthere are 2 lines: and ::1:smtp that need to be tweaked.03:18
lamontcomment one out, and remove the address from the other, and you've allowed smtp03:18
jdubMobyTurbo: in most cases, you'll be able to upgrade from an ubuntu release to sid fairly sanely.03:18
jdubat least for the forseeable future. :)03:18
cyberdrekjdub, wow, now I understand how repos work. oh btw, sid and sarge aren't compatible but even if you run sarge, you can still install sid apps at your own risk. Same thing for ubuntu repos and debian repos.03:18
jdubit's just a branch of sid, remember :)03:18
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jdubcyberdrek: 'at your own risk', which is not something we'd suggest (obviously), and with less obvious compatibility between ubuntu and sid03:19
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lamontjdub: better yet, if you have ubuntu and debian packages in your sources.list, and the same version exists in both repositories, you'll fetch one or the other randomly, with potentially interesting results.03:19
cyberdrekjdub, 'less obvious compatibility' my left foot.03:20
Seqlamont: thanks. I read man pages of tcpd related stuff twice, and was searching all over. what a simple issue :p03:20
lamontSeq: yeah - the issue is that by default, warty listens on _NOTHING_03:20
lamontwell, no externally reachable ports anyway03:20
jdublamont: yeah03:21
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lamontcyberdrek: my preferred phrase for mixing debian and ubuntu repositories is "fraught with peril"03:21
lamontif you do mix them, you _REALLY_ want to use apt-preferences03:21
jdubcyberdrek: ubuntu is a branch of sid; woody and sarge are essentially versions on the same track.03:21
Xenguylamont: a nice turn of phrase :-)03:21
jdubcyberdrek: there is less obvious compatibility between ubuntu and sid because we make changes that are... not compatible.03:22
lamontXenguy: yeah - dunno where I picked that up, but it was years ago.  Very useful phrase.03:22
melazyboyIs there anyway to force the install of the fglrx deb file from apt without having it bitch about it being a broken package because of dependencies, im using xorg instead of xfree8603:22
lamontXenguy: right up there with "Individuals of clue will note....."03:22
lamontmelazyboy: one could file a bug, if it's really broken in hoary.03:22
cyberdrekjdub, blah blah blah blah03:23
jdubcyberdrek: also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394/view?searchterm=debian03:23
jdubcyberdrek: i'm attempting to explain to you why we don't recommend it on this channel and elsewhere.03:23
MobyTurbocyberdrek, jdub is one of the Ubuntu developers, just possibly he knows what he's talking about?03:23
melazyboylamont: Its broken everyone knows it..03:24
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lamontmelazyboy: then I expect someone will upload a fixed version sometime soon.03:24
Xenguycyberdrek: ooop =)03:24
lamontesp after I beat on him.03:24
cyberdrekjdub, as if that would change my ways of doing things. If it works. No matter who you are.03:24
jdubmelazyboy: daniels posted about this on ubuntu-users03:24
jdubcyberdrek: if you can handle it, that's great; others do too. but please don't recommend it to others.03:25
cyberdrekMobyTurbo, I know.03:25
lamontcyberdrek: yes, it generally works.  But it can and does lead to an unknown state on your machine, that can be rather complicated to debug when it does break.03:25
lamontif daniels already posted about it, then I don't need to beat him.  cool.03:25
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HrdwrBoBoh no, the beatings are necesarry03:25
melazyboyjdub, and i personally have asked you twice what is this ubuntu users your talking about, if your talking about the users.ubuntu.com/~daniels. that package comes with no instructions readme or build notes, he asked me to test it in the chat, refuses to message me personally or on aim...03:25
GuBAxfld desktop on Ubuntu ??03:25
cyberdrekjdub, I'll recomend what I know works.03:26
genstupid question, how would i go about moving a directory in home, into another directory in /usr/lib, says can't replace it.03:26
lamontHrdwrBoB: but it's getting _BOORING___03:26
jdubcyberdrek: right, and i'm explaining why it won't necessarily work, and why it's a bad idea.03:26
HrdwrBoBmelazyboy: the testing packages there are intented to be used without documentation :)03:26
jdubmelazyboy: go to the lists page (see the topic) and click on ubuntu-users.03:26
lamontcyberdrek: it is known to break under certain circumstances, and is therefore not recommended unless you're willing to debug your system out of major trouble at some point in the future.  It is certainly not a supported activityl.03:27
gen how would i go about moving a directory in home, into another directory in /usr/lib03:27
Xenguygen: that sounds like something you may not want to do03:28
genxenguy, and why not?03:28
lamontgen: but to answer your question, be root and do the move03:28
Xenguygen: meaning, it sounds like an odd thing to do generally (but of course I don't know your details)03:28
genmoving firefox install from home dir03:28
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geninto old 9.303:29
genin warty03:29
lamontgen: generally speaking, you want the package manager to know what you've done with stuff under /usr... dropping stuff directly there doesn't tell dpkg about it...03:29
cyberdreklamont, you guys are unbelievable. the day my system break, I'll stop using ubuntu altogether.03:29
genhow do i get a root account in ubuntu though, normally i'd use sudo but what if i want a root account03:29
cyberdrekoops breaks03:29
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HrdwrBoBgen: why do you need it?03:30
cyberdrekgen: sudo <command>03:30
HrdwrBoBsudo passwd will set the root password03:30
HrdwrBoBbut you don't need it03:30
HrdwrBoBever :)03:30
genbecause when i use the gui installer for firefox 1.0 it won't let me install to anything but home dir03:30
DracosXagreed, if you really need a root shell (although you probably wouldn't), you can always sudo -s03:30
MobyTurbocyberdrek, I assume you've never had a broken apt repository before. I have, though not with ubuntu, and it ain't pretty - you basically have to sometimes reinstall half your system to fix it.03:31
melazyboyIs there anyway to force the install of the fglrx deb file from apt without having it bitch about it being a broken package because of dependencies, im using xorg instead of xfree8603:31
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genso how would i go about puting 1.0 in the place of .9.3 on warty then03:31
MobyTurbocyberdrek, since most of debian sid is part of ubuntu's official repositories, I have no reason to want to mess around with debian's repositories.03:32
lamontmelazyboy: dpkg --force-depends fgl....deb03:32
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cyberdrekMobyTurbo, I had plenty. I've been running debian and debian based system for a pretty long time and I did happen to have to spend two or three days to fix my system up. That's all part of using a system like deb.03:32
lamontmelazyboy: of course, apt will fail to install dependencies after that if you don't deal with the issue03:32
jdubonly if you do silly things :)03:32
Xenguycyberdrek: no it's not03:32
genso how would i go about puting 1.0 in the place of .9.3 on warty then..03:32
DracosXgen: sudo -s will spawn a root shell03:33
jdublamont: "[breakage is]  all part of using a system like deb"03:33
Xenguycyberdrek: and it's inconsiderate to recommend a reckless approach to people who may not have the skills to recover03:33
cyberdrekXenguy, maybe not for you but keep using it and you will see..03:33
MobyTurbocyberdrek, my problem was a PEBKEC problem, I assume yours was too - and you seem intent on repeating it.03:33
melazyboylamont: Would apt fail if the only things its depending on is Xfree? and thats fake.03:33
Xenguycyberdrek: I've been using it for ages - that's why I don't recommend reckless behaviour03:33
lamontjdub: 100% agreement here.  dpkg does very strong dependency management, and the folks who find that annoying tend to be the people who think it's perfectly normal to fight with a system for days to make it right.03:33
lamontjdub: if you do things right to start with, then it flows nicely, eh?03:34
jdubflows like mud!03:34
cyberdrekXenguy, installing xfce4.2 from os-cillation is far from being reckless.<03:34
lamontmelazyboy: if there are broken dependencies in the currently installed system, then apt bitches about them _ANY_ time it tries to resolve _ANY_ dependencies.03:34
jdubreally flowey mud though03:34
lamontcyberdrek: that depends entirely on what using the extra repository is doing with your dependencies...03:35
jdublamont: how long does OOo take to build on the i386 buildds?03:35
lamont6 hurs03:35
lamont4 on the others03:35
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lamonti386 builds arch: all, hence the extra time03:35
jdubeven if i fix the depends now i won't get instant satisfaction03:35
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hawk16is it possible to install video card drivers on the live cd?03:36
lamonthawk16: it should be possible...03:36
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genanyone know of that page that had a list of a whole bunch of howto's, white background..information like for java, azureus, everything. i can't remember the url and google can't fidn it, i was linked to it in here.03:36
lamonthawk16: however, note that apt's http method is broken on the live CD03:36
cyberdrekgen, http://www.tldp.org03:37
lamonthawk16: and /etc/apt/sources.list is completely useless03:37
lamonthawk16: that is, what's in it is kinda useless.03:37
jdubgen: an ubuntu page? probably the restricted formats page on the wiki03:37
lamontbut ISTR that ftp methods do work03:37
melazyboybtw i just tried daniels package not just does it fail but for the same reason03:37
genwasnt on ubuntu's site, but it was dedicated to ubuntu warty03:37
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cyberdrekgen, sorry thought you were talking about tldp.03:38
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sebbI try to install alsa-driver 1.0.7 with this command : ./configure --with-cards=audigyls --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install03:39
sebbBut I receive this error: configure: error: Unsupported soundcard audigyls make all-deps03:39
sebbAnd Audigy Ls soundcards are supposed to be supported in alsa 1.0.7, (it's also in the list of available soundcards in ./configure --help)03:39
sebbCan somebody help me03:39
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sebb(forget the make all-deps) I copied the line right after by mistake03:40
lamontjdub: from the stupid questions department...03:42
lamontnew machine.  if I play a CD directly, it plays fine.  rip it and play the .ogg and it sounds like crap.  why is that?03:43
jdublamont: sound card?03:43
jdubso, some sound cards don't put the CD audio through any processing03:43
lamont0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)03:44
lamontah.  But would maybe have issues with the capture03:44
jdubwhereas pcm audio might go through stupid 3d, bass, treble kind of things03:44
lamontso do AC97 modems work on warty?03:44
jduband all kinds of other wacked out audio tweakage03:44
Faustusno usb scanner users?03:45
jdublamont: do you have a cd player that does digital reading? (ripping for playing)03:45
jdublamont: i think there's an xmms plugin that does it03:45
lamontbrand new cheap-crap frys special03:45
jdubtry that, see if it sounds like arse03:45
jdubsorry, mean software cd player03:45
lamontah, so try xmms playing instead of 'CD Player"?03:46
Cloudchaserplasmo, are you still here?03:46
jdubif you have the xmms thing that does extraction for playing03:46
Cloudchaserthe link you gave me seemed to take care of that error03:46
Cloudchaserbut now i got another one03:46
lamontjdub: OK.  something to have her try tomorrow (and yes, that's why it matters...)03:46
jdublamont: :)03:47
CloudchaserPlease use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels03:47
Cloudchaserto set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file03:47
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plasmois this the error for the game ur running or wine03:48
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sladenCloudchaser: you mean read the windows registry on install?03:49
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Cloudchaserok i''m installing a game with wine03:49
Cloudchaseri got that error while installing03:49
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Cloudchasernot quite sure about how to fix it..going to go look in the wine configuration file and see if i can get an idea03:49
Cloudchaserno idea how to edit a registry file in wine ;)03:50
plasmotry and hash out ## the "Resolution" = "96" in config03:50
plasmomaybe might help03:50
plasmoi mean ;;03:50
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Cloudchaserright but there's also this part:  Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels03:51
Cloudchaserto set the screen resolution03:51
wasabi__Is 'ssh-agent' suppose to work? ;)03:51
wasabi__It's not having any effect. I suspect it's not being set up right.03:51
hekwhat is the easiest way to get firefox 1.0 in place of .9.3 in warty painlessly?03:51
kensaihek, maybe downloading the installer03:52
hekthat made the profiles and everything all screwed up majorly03:52
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kensaihek, I did thatflawlessly when I had warty03:53
hekdid you just use it in the home dir?03:53
kensaihek, yep03:53
hekcause i know it's fine there, but mean REPLACE the other03:53
kensaihek, ohhhh03:53
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deeanyone running firestarter on Ubuntu?03:59
LinuxJonesdee, no but it's available04:01
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Cloudchaserplasmo i have no Resolution entry in my wine.conf04:08
Cloudchasergoogling now to try to find an answer04:08
plasmoi have one in my ~/.wine/config04:08
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plasmoi just googled about HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels04:09
plasmoseems other people have it on some programs as well :/04:09
Cloudchaserthats what i googled on04:09
Cloudchaserbut i hve no knowledge how to do any registry changes04:09
plasmowat program u tryin to run anyway @_@04:10
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Cloudchaserjust an old game for my son04:11
plasmotried cedega? lol04:11
Cloudchaserno i'm unemployed at the moment04:11
Cloudchasercan't really afford to buy it04:12
Cloudchaserwell i just got a part time job but only started monday ;)04:12
magik_if i change sources.list from warty to hoary and update apt, should i have any problems? i just want to know in advance :\04:13
sladenmagik_: as long as you understand that hoary is in *development*.  Will and *does* break from time to time04:14
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magik_sladen, yeah thats cool, but aside from that... anything else?04:14
sladenmagik_: you don't need to change anything else to upgrade, if that was your question04:15
magik_nah i meant should i have any other problems? also - if i change it back to warty and update again, will it revert back?04:16
deFryskmagik_, I use hoary , no probs here04:19
magik_deFrysk, ok thanks :D04:19
deFryskmagik_, it IS development however Ind I cannot guarantee anything04:20
magik_nah its cool, i understand that04:20
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deFryskmagik_, set locales to utf8 after upgrade (default in hoary)04:21
magik_thanks dude04:21
magik_wait.. how do i do that?04:21
deFryskdpkg-reconfigure locales04:21
deFrysksudo of course04:21
magik_thanks man :D04:21
magik_debian rocks04:22
deFryskgood luck , dont complain ,report bugs04:22
magik_hehe thanks04:22
deFryskand brush your teethe04:23
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allenAnyone had propblems copying file to a CF card in a reader?04:24
allenSometimes it will go fast and others it will take forever.04:24
allenRunning Horay04:24
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melazyboyAnyone in here running fglrx with xorg?04:38
magik_i used to04:39
magik_i'm on xfree86 now though04:39
melazyboyHow did you get it working!?!? i have been trying for hours04:40
magik_ah well i used to run it on gentoo, so i just emerge at-drivers or whatever04:41
magik_and run the fglrx config generator04:41
melazyboynot fair04:41
melazyboyI wish we had a package like that, one that would work..04:42
magik_i'm assuming you've installed the drivers?04:42
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melazyboyno i haven't not on xorg04:42
magik_ah just into the kernel or whatever04:42
magik_have you run the fglrxconfig ?04:42
melazyboyNo i dont have the drivers baked into the kernel i dont have them period...04:43
magik_oh ok, what card do you have?04:44
magik_ok well go to the ati website and download the drivers perhaps04:45
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melazyboyv. usefull information.04:48
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melazyboywants working ati drivers with xorg04:52
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stuNNedmelazyboy, have you checked in #ati ?04:53
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melazyboyno ...04:56
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madsenI still need people to do my little linguistics experiment on http://lillesvin.net/ling/wr/ - that is, if you want to be used as data for my assignment. ;) I would be most grateful if you'd care to take 3-4 minutes to help me out, as I really need all the data I can get. In advance, thanks a _lot_. :)05:13
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saidsomebody of america?05:25
plasmoamerica? :o05:26
saidI don't have very good english, but yes Spanish05:26
saidanybody ?05:26
plasmoi dont speak spanish. im australian05:26
saidSoy de Mexico05:26
saidalguien que hable espaol?05:27
madsenMi gato esta loco.05:27
saidah bueno05:27
s0cksdcm got banned05:27
saidde donde eres05:27
s0cksIs that the dude with the petition?05:27
madsensaid: Sorry, mi no speaka Spanish for real. :)05:27
madsens0cks: Who?05:27
plasmomadsen: i just finished your questioaire thing lol05:28
madsenplasmo: Oh, nice. :) Thanks. :)05:28
aitrussaid: you might want to check out #ubuntu-es05:28
madsenplasmo: Are you the one who has verified the info or the one who has not?05:28
saidthanks friend, but05:28
plasmoi have verified05:28
madsenplasmo: Ok, 'cause I just got a "Mail not delivered" notice from my mail-server on an australian guy. :)05:29
plasmoahh lol05:29
plasmono i verified. it said thanks for your time or something05:29
madsenplasmo: Great! Thanks again. :)05:30
plasmowell im off. bbl =D05:30
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dablitzcan anyone help me out with a modprobe issue05:32
dablitzcpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.205:33
dablitzpci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.505:33
dablitzpciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x100105:33
dablitzshpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x100105:33
dablitzpciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x100105:33
dablitzshpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x100105:33
dablitz modprobe pciehp05:34
dablitzFATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/ Operation not permitted05:34
HrdwrBoByou need to use sudo to insert it05:35
HrdwrBoBsudo modprove pciehp05:35
HrdwrBoBsudo modprobe pciehp05:35
dablitzi will try it05:35
dablitz:~ $ sudo  modprobe pciehp05:35
dablitzFATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/ Operation not permitted05:35
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HrdwrBoBwhat is the actual issue?05:36
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dablitzok bootup i het this same message. no this is for the touchpad mouse on my laptop. I would really like to use it05:36
dablitzits a clean freah install of ubuntu05:37
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melazyboydablitz add pcihp and shpchp to your blacklist.d05:39
melazyboyI get the whole fatal error thing aswell05:39
dablitzlinux newbie--how do I do that05:39
Rene_SMy neighbour is gonna have a fatal error if he doesn't stop yelling at his wife.05:40
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dadhi from japan05:42
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melazyboyvim /etc/hostplug/blacklist.d; add pciehp shpchp05:43
dadand a fine howdy from japan ?05:43
HrdwrBoBhi dad from japan05:43
dadheya  Mr bob05:43
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dadwell i;m all ready to ask a question if thats ok?05:44
dablitzmelazyboy that did not work05:45
HrdwrBoBdon't ask to ask, ask05:45
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magik_hmmm how come Dad never told me about being from japan ?!!05:45
melazyboydablitz: I would guess you did it wrong05:45
dadlol thanks  ummm usb audio  specifically soundsticks on a ppc05:45
dadhello magic im from japan05:45
dadvia Oz05:45
melazyboydablitz: when you edited the file, did you add those two modules causing the error, and then restarted the comp?05:46
magik_you should be at work right now :\05:46
magik_and what are we having for tea?05:46
melazyboyeither that or purge them using rmmod05:46
dablitzok got you05:46
dadumm fish heads and i work as little as possible05:46
HrdwrBoBmy dad is in bangkok, in china, not japan :/05:46
melazyboyrmmod -f pciehp or what ever it was05:46
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daddont seem to have any sound from cdplayer05:47
HrdwrBoBdad: the cd player won't work with a USB sound thingo05:47
AgrajagYou'll need something that uses CDDA extraction05:48
dadoh thats a shame05:48
Agrajagthere's an xmms plugin for it05:48
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dadyou mean burn ogg files from cd and try to play them?05:48
lost74could someone help me I'm trying to install programs  I have downloaded .bin .tar files and I very lost on commands beside dos cd dir05:48
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dadoh set digital ex option in xmms?05:49
Agrajagapt-get install xmms-cdread05:49
dadthanks ill give it a go05:49
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dablitzgunna reboot be back in a minute05:49
dadhmm failed to run synaptic as root?05:50
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dadwas tha xxms-cdread?05:53
HrdwrBoBlost74: what exactly do you want to do05:54
dadok getting thnks05:54
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dablitzthanks melazyboy that worked perfect05:57
dablitznow to get this touchpad to work?05:57
melazyboy.. sony laptop?05:58
melazyboynot sure =/05:58
dablitzpresario 3210ca 3000+05:58
melazyboythat might require some googleing05:58
dablitzthanks, bbiab after i google some05:58
melazyboybtw that solution i gave you might have some drawbacks, im not sure what that modules just i know others have complained about those errors, i get them too05:59
s0cksDidnt someone have another problem with that?06:00
melazyboywith what?06:00
s0cksThe touchpad06:00
s0ckslast night.06:00
melazyboynot sure06:00
dadthnks agra its working06:00
dadpretty horrible clicking sound though06:00
melazyboyI think im going to give up on the fglrx and xorg06:01
daddo i need alsa on a ppc?06:01
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dablitzafter i get touchpad working the next step will be "using my cellphone as a modem"06:02
NetwrkMonkeyoh god you don't want to do that unless you have a 3g cell06:03
NetwrkMonkeyaircards are slow06:03
NetwrkMonkeyunless you pay through the nose06:03
dablitzyes qualcomm 3g cell06:03
dablitzfrom LG, and I have usbcable for it too06:04
dablitzI have a winblows cd with software but i am liking ubuntu linux more and more each day i use it06:04
dadanyone using a g4 tower?06:04
NetwrkMonkeyif you use a g4  you should use mac osx06:05
NetwrkMonkeyi wish i had a mac, but i don't have money falling out of my fur06:05
dadtotally agree - just wanted to see what this was all about  so far it sooks eggs lol06:05
gensooks eggs?06:06
genhow does it suck eggs06:06
NetwrkMonkeywhat's the proper name for those japanese snow monkies?06:06
NetwrkMonkeythe cute mean lil buggers06:06
dadnihon saru?06:07
genwaiting for a reply, dad06:07
NetwrkMonkeyi wanted to mherkhats06:07
dadscroll up gen06:07
NetwrkMonkeybut that's an african prairie doggy06:07
NetwrkMonkeyJapanese macaque06:08
NetwrkMonkeythat's it06:08
dadwell guess i'll leave all this linux crap to the poor -back to a great mutlimedia system  OSX thnks06:09
melazyboydear god totem so blows06:09
NetwrkMonkeyi just use xine-gui :-)06:12
melazyboyi agree its much better06:12
NetwrkMonkeybut then i'm lazy06:12
NetwrkMonkeyand i just want to watch06:12
NetwrkMonkeynot have to futz aroudn with 5 gagillion controls and settttings06:12
melazyboyxine has more settings than totem06:12
melazyboyby far06:12
geni like vlc and mplayer personally06:13
melazyboyhit lord of the known universe and it will enable more settings than you can shake a stick at06:13
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speelhey is there anyway to install wmv support?06:14
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Rene_Sthere is  a gtk-xine front end06:15
Rene_Sits simple06:15
madsenspeel: I think you'd be best of compiling mplayer yourself, it has much better support for various codecs than most other players.06:16
madsenRene_S: Do you know how to install additional codecs for Xine? I seem to have problems doing that... It's using the mplayer codecs (if present), right?06:16
Rene_SDownload the win32 codec pack from marrilat as well06:17
madsenRene_S: Hmm, so if I dump a new codec in the /usr/lib/win32 dir, then Xine will just use it?06:17
dablitzin my device mananger how do I tell if my system is even seeing my touchpad06:17
Rene_Sas long as xine is configured to use that path06:17
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madsendablitz: Is it present in the dev-manager?06:18
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madsenRene_S: Hmm, I think I gotta take a closer look at xine, since I'm only using it for DVDs atm. (Menu support, yay!)06:19
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dablitzi don't know because all i see is pci devices06:20
magik_hmm when i try to run gdm, it begins to show some stuff, then exits and tells me "an x server appears to be running on :0 already blah blah" .. ?06:20
Rene_SI use xine for almost everything, hell if it could make coffee i would use it for that06:20
madsenRene_S: hehe... If it weren't for mplayer Xine would never have existed. ;)06:21
melazyboymagik hold alt and hit F706:21
Rene_SI install that too, never use it though06:21
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speelhmm i installed gxine and the vid works with wmv's but the sound is messed up any ideas?06:21
melazyboyerr ctrl+alt06:21
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magik_melazyboy: yeah, i tried that, but it just takes me to the screen with the X as the mouse cursor etc :\06:22
melazyboymagik_: exactly thats x... kill it then06:22
magik_i did06:22
melazyboymagik_: then you would see a console.. or nothing06:22
magik_yeah, i get a console06:22
magik_but i don't know how to fix it :\06:22
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melazyboyafter you kill the ugly window with the x, try running gdm06:23
magik_yeah i did06:23
magik_same result06:23
melazyboyif that doesn't work  you might try 'startx gnome'06:23
melazyboyI believe that is the command06:23
melazyboyor put an .xinit in your ~/ and make it one line with 'gnome'06:24
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magik_thanks man06:25
magik_that worked06:25
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melazyboyheh its a shitty solution you shoulden't thank me =/06:25
magik_heh yeah but its better than nothing06:25
magik_i can at least google properly now06:25
melazyboythere is a better way of doing it i just don't know it, you might want to ask someone how do you set the windowmanager using gdm (would seem to me ass if gdm is supposed to launch gnome as i know of an xdm and a kdm)06:26
magik_yeah it does06:26
magik_it used to work, but stopped working06:26
melazyboyfunny how that happens isn't it =[06:26
magik_its ok though06:27
magik_i'm sure google can help me06:27
melazyboynow find a way for me to install my fglrx drivers on the new xorg =D06:27
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magik_if you download them, it will come with a script to install06:27
magik_then i think you just gotta recompile the kernel06:27
magik_then run the config script for fglrx06:27
dablitzok it is considered a touchpad device, needing tpconfig. so I did an apt-get install tpconfig and it installed the config, but cannot open /dev/psaux06:28
melazyboydoesn't quite work like that =[ the new version is incompatable with the new xorg, and the drivers ati has don't work with xorg at all, they don't even support the 2.6 kernel,06:28
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melazyboyi need to take a thanksgiving shit ill brb.. =D06:29
NetwrkMonkeyyah know the best thing for heartburn is two tablespoons of vinegar to 1 cup of water06:29
magik_haha ok then06:29
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magik_am i able to revert back to old packages with apt?06:31
melazyboyalright.. dablitz Does your kernel have /dev/psaux built in?06:31
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dablitzwell its there, but got the readme on it and it says that I have to kill gpm before running tpconfig06:34
dablitzhow do I kill gpm06:34
melazyboykillall gpm06:34
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dablitzthat did not work06:41
diegohi all, how can i install a .build file?06:41
HrdwrBoBdiego: what do you want to install06:42
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diegoHrdwrBoB: ftp://developer.ofset.org/dists/sarge/main/binary-all/wxglade_0.3.5.1-1_i386.build06:42
diegooh is this just a log?06:43
HrdwrBoByou will wabt a deb06:44
HrdwrBoByou should be able to add that url to apt06:44
HrdwrBoBso you can simply apt-get install wxglade06:44
diegoi can't quite find the .deb in there06:45
diegooh nvm06:45
diegoit's under a different name06:46
diegohow misleading06:46
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dablitzi wish i new what hardware this system was using for a touch pad06:52
speeley i installed the ubuntu-calalnder-november package how do i acess it?06:53
dablitzthanks HrDwrBoB06:54
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Cygniaspeel:does the november calendar show up in the wallpaper dialogue?06:56
ChibiFSYey for FreeNX.06:57
speelah yes it does :) thanks06:57
ChibiFSThat server-side jpeg compression really helps.06:58
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cef_workanyone recommend a good PCI-X Firewire 800 card for use with ubuntu?06:58
NetwrkMonkeydoes ubuntu have like a calendar overlay for the wallpaper?06:58
speeli dont think bout you can use gdeskcal06:59
magnonNetwrkMonkey: if you try, you won't be disappointed :)06:59
speelhey another question .. you know when you download a .deb from the repos is there any way to get the art work like the icons etc06:59
speelor does it even come with it07:00
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zenwhen_most of the time yes07:00
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speelhow tho?07:00
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jdubNetwrkMonkey: no, just new wallpapers every month07:01
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Gnobodydid anybody else get their cds yet?07:04
sladenGnobody: it depends on when you ordered them (eg, which batch they made it into)07:04
sladenGnobody: and where they've had to be mailed to07:04
billytwowillyGnobody, you got your cds already?07:05
Gnobodythey don't work on my DVD-RW07:06
Gnobodythe install cd hangs on half-way through the install07:07
Gnobodyand the live cd wont boot at al07:07
Gnobodyand I have tested multiple cds07:07
Keybuksounds like a hardware issue with your system07:07
Keybukdid you try booting a burnt-iso before?07:07
Gnobodynah the isos work from ubuntulinux.org07:08
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GnobodyI think the media is bad07:08
GnobodyI've tried it in 2 computers07:08
Gnobodywhich both work with my burnt cd07:08
Keybukthat'd explain it if it were one or two CDs, not all of them07:09
merriamthere might be a long run of bad cds07:09
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sladenGnobody: can you md5sum the CD?07:10
merriamGnobody: you could compare the cds with the correct image07:10
GnobodyIll try it later07:10
Gnobodyim not that worried I have a working ubuntu install07:10
GnobodyI just wanted to give them to my friends07:11
Keybukcan your friends boot them?07:11
Keybukit could be your DVD-RW only reading CDs it's burned, for example07:11
Rene_SGremlins or Aliens, thats the answer for everything that goes awry07:12
billytwowillyyou forgot satan07:12
gensatan is my pal07:12
Rene_SNo, he is too busy with Windows07:12
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GnobodyOMG DVDJon has done it again he has cracked M$'s Jonas WMP9 copy-protection: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/04/11/26/0042252.shtml?tid=97&tid=10607:13
Rene_SThey named it Longhorn not because of a Ski resort or something but in tribute to the evil one himself07:13
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Gnobodyyou mean Bill/Lucifer07:14
Rene_SArent they the same guy ?07:14
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Rene_SReally has anyone ever seen Bills feet, I bet there cloven hooves07:15
Gnobodywhen he is bill he wears geeky glasses07:15
Gnobodyit's his cover07:15
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Gnobodynah I'd have to say Balmer is more evil than Bill07:16
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Rene_SHe is rounder and dumber, not sure he can spell Evil07:16
GnobodyBill even said Windows may be under the BSD license one day07:16
AlJGnobody, Really now?07:17
Gnobodyit was on CNET07:17
Rene_SDemons for Daemons what a concept07:17
AlJI don't understand their hate for the GPL.07:17
AlJThey seem to embrace the BSD license pretty well.07:17
billytwowillyThe BSD licence lets them take and not give back07:18
billytwowillyThe GPL doesn't07:18
gpledjust wondering why xchat is at 2.0.8, when 2.4.1 is out?07:18
Gnobodythey think the GPL is more restrictive but really I think it is because RMS has stated he is the official opposition to MS07:18
billytwowillyThus the hatred07:18
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billytwowillygpled, it's out in hoary. You won't see it until hoary is released07:19
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billytwowillyGnobody, the GPL is more restrictive than the BSD licence07:19
jdubgpled: because warty was released with 2.0.807:20
AlJMan, This winmodem thing is making my head ache.07:21
genhence the "Win"07:21
billytwowillywin = no win07:21
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Rene_SMan I hate this smoking outside crap, I wanna see overwheight people having to go outside to eat there chocolate cake.07:22
Rene_SOops that was meant for someone else hehe07:23
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Rene_SI typed in the wrong box07:23
AlJ"Super Size Me!"07:23
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billytwowillyRene_S, I would send fat people outside to eat their cake if the were spraying crumbs in my face so that I had to eat cake too;)07:23
Rene_SGood point07:23
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AlJbillytwowilly, congrats!07:25
Rene_SI look like an ethiopian now, I got sick and havent gained my wieght back yet07:25
Rene_Sbillytwowilly, I got me 2 weeks worth of patches that I start on Monday07:26
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billytwowillyRene_S, Good for you. Smoking, like eating excessively is a horrible habit, but I'm happy we both atleast have the opportunity to indulge our weaknesses.07:27
billytwowillyanyhoo, that's enough high and mighty BS.07:28
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Rene_SActually I just went to a funeral of a girl who died of cancer and she was 2607:29
billytwowillyI'm taking a class called the pharmacology of drug abuse right now. It's pretty interesting. make nicotine illegal and legalize pot and cocaine.07:29
Rene_Sleft a hubby and 2 kids07:30
billytwowillyThat's a shame.07:30
Rene_SYeah, so i figure I better quit before I look dumb laying on a slab all splayed out like a holiday ham07:30
billytwowillyGood call.07:31
Rene_SI really dont need my brain wieghed that badly07:31
billytwowillyWhere do you live?07:31
billytwowillyreally? I didn't know they did autopsies on people who die of cancer..07:32
novabursthow do I find out if there is a monodevelop package for Ubuntu?07:32
Rene_SDepends if they died straight out or if there were complications, I think they do it for research sometimes07:32
billytwowillyRene_S, are you in ontario or quebec?07:33
Rene_SI am not sure what they do, I have never been dead07:33
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billytwowillyThen they brought me back.07:33
billytwowillyNo white light or anything. Pretty dissapointing overall07:33
AlJnovaburst, There is. Check out the FAQ, You need to add a 3rd party repository07:34
Rene_SYeah thats gotta suck, I was thinking of going Muslim for the 72 virgin thing but I prolly would end up dissapointed07:34
novaburstAlJ: thank you :)07:34
billytwowillyCenrist Muslim or fundamentalist muslim?07:35
Rene_SWhatever gives me the virgins. I just dont know though07:35
billytwowillyHeh. Both get 72 virgins.07:35
billytwowillyThe difference is like comparing the united church to Evangelical Christians;)07:36
Rene_SIts prolly all hype and you end up milking cows or something for eternity07:36
Rene_SWell if I dont have to kill anyone then ill take that one07:36
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Rene_SWith my luck I would die and come back as myself and have to relive the whole thing over07:38
billytwowillyThat would be sweet. I'd invest in Yahoo and Bre-ex.07:38
billytwowillyAnd not smoke.07:38
billytwowillyThen live a long, rich life07:38
Rene_SI would snuff out Bill Gates while he was in college07:39
Rene_Sjust for the heck of it07:39
billytwowillyhmm. Then we might be running os/2..07:39
billytwowillywhich would be lame.07:39
genos/2 haha07:39
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skawavehas anyone run ubuntu on k6-2 hardware?07:40
genk6-2 is the old amd07:40
billytwowillythe one before athlon?07:40
skawavek6-3 was before the athlon07:41
skawaveits a i586 cpu07:41
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genit's old hardware skawave, should work fine07:41
billytwowillyIt'll prbably run, but it might be slow07:41
Gnobodyhas anybody successfully got XFCE 4.2 RC1 working on warty?07:41
|progenic|excuse me, is there no firefox 1.0 for ubuntu ?07:42
skawaveshould I be using something like fluxbox or xfce?07:42
genwould be quicker skawave, yes07:42
melazyboy|progenic|: yes upgrade to hoary07:42
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billytwowilly|progenic|, There is. update to hoary. warty = secure and only security updates. hoary= devel branch07:42
genyou don't need hoary for 1.0..07:42
billytwowillyIf you've run debian unstable/testing you'll be fine.07:43
Gnobodyis everybody using hoary?07:43
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GnobodyI went back to warty07:43
genof course everybody isn't gnobody07:43
GnobodyI was using hoary for weeks07:43
geni went back to warty also07:43
billytwowillyhoary has been hella stable.07:43
Gnobodybut I got sick of the bugs07:43
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RaCarterdoes ubuntu use rpms?07:43
KeybukGnobody: did you file them in Bugzilla?07:43
skawaveone more thing, the laptop I would like to install it on has a Linksys WCP11 802.11 pc card, is wireless supported in ubuntu?07:43
Rene_Sno .debs07:43
Gnobodyyou can use rpms with alein07:43
Gnobodysudo alien -i whatever.rpm07:44
Rene_SSee I knew it, Aliens and linux07:44
Rene_SSatan and Window07:44
GnobodyKeybuk no im too lazy ;)07:44
RaCarterso normally ubuntu use dpkg?07:44
KeybukGnobody: ok, can you hold still a moment so I can read your mind through your monitor so the bugs can be fixed07:44
Gnobodysure thing07:45
Gnobodybut im hella lazy so hurry up07:45
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|progenic|how to upgrade to hoary ?07:45
Gnobodydirty rene07:45
Rene_SAww common cut me some slack, I havent been naughty in like months07:46
Gnobodythat is unhealthy then07:46
Gnobodymay I suggest pr0n?07:46
Rene_SOnly if there is sheep in it07:46
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Rene_Sok, lets get back to Ubuntu now07:46
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AlJ|progenic|, this should help you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary07:49
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erniehey folks, happy thanksgiving07:52
JDahlare there any links to Hoary/X.org screenshots? I am abit curious since everyone is talking about it07:53
ernieim wondering if anyone knows where i can find some documentation on how to delete the files that synaptic downloads07:53
JDahlernie, sudo apt-get clean07:53
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JDahl(off my memory, if it does work "man apt-get")07:54
ernieJdahl - it wont look any different than hedghog07:54
JDahlernie, ok07:54
JDahlernie, but Xorg is supposed to have alot of new eye-candy isnt it?07:55
JDahltransparencies, drop-shadows, etc07:55
plasmobut buggy07:56
melazyboyJDahl: the ability is in Xfree as well07:56
melazyboyJDahl: Gnome won't take advantage of any more of the abilities using xorg than it would using xfree07:56
jdubJDahl: not by itself :-)07:56
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jdubmelazyboy: composite, damage, etc. are not in xfree8607:56
ernieno actually xorg will be like sort of downgrading from xfree, you see xfree quit abiding to gnu so nobody wants it anymore07:57
JDahlso why are everyone so eager to break their Ubuntu installation to get it?07:57
genwhy not07:57
erniebecause it is the future of X windows07:57
melazyboyJDahl: Xorg is just the newer xfree its not like xfree v2.0 or a complete rewrite, its just a fork originally because of licensing issues with Xfree07:57
jdubJDahl: because you can try out the additional software that makes all the crazy eyecandy stuff work07:58
jdubJDahl: but most of it is not regarded as stable yet07:58
ernieit wont break your install, trust me im a total n00b and use hoary, only a few problems rise once in a while07:58
melazyboyJDahl: The creater of Xfree wanted more name recognition so he changed the license so each time the software was used he had to be credited.07:58
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nevynmelazyboy: it was more than that...07:58
billytwowillyexcept for one .ICEauthority file problem.07:58
erniebut this is an awsome community and bugs are squashed immedieately07:59
nevynmelazyboy: it extended to all advertising of compilations.07:59
Rene_SI thought Hoary would be more Hairy but its pretty stable07:59
ernieis it possible to resize a reiser partition or do i have to format?08:00
melazyboyHas there been newer versions of Xfree since he made that decesion i know all of the distros broke from it then, but did he have something up his sleave to warrent that demand like 500k lines of new code ? i mean seems kind of silly to demand something with no bargining chip08:00
jdubmelazyboy: yes, there was the final release.08:01
jdubRene_S: it's fairly robust, but definitely not stable :)08:01
erniei like the daily updates, make me feel good08:02
erniedont know why, just does08:02
melazyboyernie, lol08:02
Rene_Sjdub, Yeah I am aware of that, I somehow thought It would have more issues than it does at this stage of the process08:02
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erniewell when u upgrade to hoary now, not a qhole bunch of stuff changes, it will eventually totally change but now only select things are changed, thats how i look at it08:03
HrdwrBoBFartClone2: please turn off those messages08:04
ernieis it possible to resize a reiser partition or do i have to format?08:04
HrdwrBoBernie: you can resize08:04
erniethanks bob08:06
HrdwrBoBnot a worry08:06
ernieno worries mate08:06
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melazyboyernie: reiserfsprogs08:25
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speelwhats assistive technology prefrences?08:27
jdubspeel: accessibility stuff08:28
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Micksais there a way to add http://bazaar.canonical.com/packages/debs/ to /etc/apt/sources.list?08:39
Micksait's not in the "normal" structure (whatever that is), but it has a Packages.gz08:39
jdubdeb http://bazaar.canonical.com/packages/debs/ ./08:39
mhlandryIm interested in setting up ubuntu on some of my computers - but I have one question - how is upgrading the distro handled?08:40
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mhlandrycan you do it through apt or does ti involve burning cds and installing from a cd?08:40
birmemhlandry: you use apt and the command dist-upgrade08:41
mhlandrybrime: that's what i wanted to hear, thanks08:41
mhlandrysoon as I get some time on my hand ima give it a shot - I've done a few installs and I'm impressed - just wanted to see how it would be to keep updated08:42
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birmemhlandry: have you ever used debian?08:42
mhlandrybut not very often08:43
birmethen it is quite the same08:43
mhlandrythe reason I am warry is this08:43
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mhlandryI tried out mepis once08:43
mhlandryand it was a breeze to install08:43
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birmebut a pain to upgrade?08:44
mhlandrybut apt getting something ususally caused problems08:44
mhlandrybecause the config files were customized by the mepis guy08:44
mhlandryso jsut apt-get update would randomly cause errors like sound not working08:44
birmeupdate only updates the local packages list, you mean upgrade right?08:45
mhlandrynonajme, even something like installing a newer version of a package you already had08:45
mhlandrywell, yeah I guess08:45
mhlandrysorry :)08:45
mhlandryits been awhile since I've used debian08:46
birmeanyway, you could use synaptic package manager. A graphical front end to apt08:47
mhlandryI did notice that as wel08:47
birmeor aptitude which is "curses" based08:47
mhlandrycommand like is fine, I was just interested it apt broke the distro08:47
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JDahlbirme, even dist-upgrade, right?08:48
CViruswhat package manager does this distro uses ?08:48
birmeit is based on dpkg08:48
birmei.e. debian packages08:48
CVirus.deb ?08:49
CVirusapt-get is there ?08:49
CViruswhat else ?08:49
birmeand aptitude or synaptic package manager08:49
birmeif you do not prefer the command line tools08:49
birmeeasy to install and easy to upgrade IMHO08:49
birmeI haven't been running ubuntu for so long, but I have been running Debian as long as I can remember08:50
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birmeso now all desktop computers run ubuntu and my servers still run debian08:51
birmeyou can of course run ubuntu on servers, but I don't want to reinstall the servers08:51
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mhlandryhow long have you been running it for birme?09:02
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_MacGyver_good morning09:15
mhlandrymorning? ;)09:15
_MacGyver_and greetings from germany :)09:16
plasmogday mate09:16
_MacGyver_i still have the problem that i cant compile Mesa09:17
_MacGyver_ -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions main/api_arrayelt.c -o main/api_arrayelt.o09:17
_MacGyver_/bin/sh: compiler: no such file or directory09:17
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_MacGyver_the question is which compiler mesa need...09:17
_MacGyver_gcc,g++ etc are all installed09:17
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=== sid77 ciao
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mariamcould anyone tell me how to connect a printer that's connected to a windows xp PC via network?09:24
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jiyuu0mariam, i need to know that too... nautilus can't seem to see the network printer09:24
mariami'm trying to go through the Add a printer wizard, but it doesn't work09:24
jiyuu0same here, cause no printer found09:25
mariamjiyuu0, i can see the other computer09:25
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mariamwhere the printer is connected to09:25
mariambut i can't see the printer itself09:25
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jiyuu0i can see computer (windows)09:25
jiyuu0i can see the shared folder09:26
jiyuu0but not the printer09:26
jiyuu0smbclient shows the printer09:26
mariamyeah, same here09:26
jiyuu0i wonder anyone else face the same prob...09:26
mariami'm sure09:27
mariameverything else has worked perfectly09:27
mariamexcept that09:27
jdubprinters don't appear in nautilus at all09:27
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Shuflahello :)09:28
mariamjdub, how can i connect to it then?09:28
mariami dont know what the samba url to the printer is09:29
jdubmariam: ideally through the 'printing' configuration dialogue09:29
jdubyou'll be able to see the printer name in smbclient09:29
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jdubso type smb://<printer> in the add printer dialogue09:30
jdubhrm, it wants host/printer09:30
mariamyeah, exactly09:30
mariamwhich is which?09:30
jdubwhich host is the printer connected to?09:30
Shuflasmbclient -N -L //host09:31
jdubyou're connecting to a host with smbclient, right?09:31
jdubthen you can see the printer name :)09:31
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aruwill ubuntu read my ntfs formatted USB drive, and if so does it auto mount to the desktop or somewhere else?09:33
mariamstill no luck09:33
Treenaksaru: you can read it09:33
Treenaksaru: just not write it09:33
Treenaks(and why NTFS, and not FAT?)09:33
birmemhlandry: debian or ubuntu?09:33
mhlandrybirme: ubuntu09:34
aruTreenaks, does it auto mount it somewhere specific?09:34
birmemhlandry: a couple of weeks09:34
Treenaksaru: it'll show on your desktop - it'll mount on /media/somewhere09:34
aruhmm, its not showing up09:34
mariamjdub, i ran 'smbclient -N -l //gagik'09:34
mariamand i can see the printer09:35
Treenaksmariam: note the upper case L09:35
|progenic|excuse me, can QT used in gnome ?09:35
|progenic|i mean the library09:35
mariamTreenaks, I did use upper case L09:35
mariamthe pritner name is hppcs90009:35
|progenic|my program need a QT to run, so is it possible to install QT and run it on gnome ?09:35
Shuflamariam: try to smbclient -N //gagik/hppcs90009:35
mariambut when I enter //gagik and hppcs900 into host and printer (repectively), it still wonr't connect09:35
Shufla|progenic|: yes.09:35
|progenic|just apt-get install qt ?09:36
aruTreenaks, what do I need to do if it doesnt show up?09:36
Treenaks|progenic|: what are you trying to do? just installing QT won't do anything09:36
Shufla|progenic|: well. it's possibile that program wchich you need is in universe or multiverse repo09:36
Treenaksaru: check your logfiles09:36
mariamShufla, i get 'Domain=[GAGIK]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] '09:37
mhlandryhow long have you guys been using ubuntu for?09:37
mariamtree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME09:37
Shuflamariam: well. as I see, you need to supply proper password09:37
plasmomhlandry: over 1 month09:37
|progenic|i'm trying to use skype, so i need QT 3.2 to run09:37
Shuflamhlandry: 2 mnths09:37
|progenic|any idea wif that ?09:37
aruits showing up in device manager09:37
Shufla|progenic|: well. AFAIR there's deb for debian testing on skype download. you shall try it first.09:38
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jiyuu0|progenic|, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/#skype09:40
Shuflamariam: do you have NT-domain there?09:41
mariamhow do i find that out?09:42
mariamShufla, you said i needed to supply a proper password, but the computer doesn't have a password09:42
aruTreenaks, I'm not sure what I'm looking for in this log09:42
Treenaksaru: does it notice that you insert/remove the device?09:43
Shuflamariam: hm... paste me on priv effect of smbclient -N -L //gagik09:43
arufrom what I can make out, I don't think so09:43
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aruI guess every distro has to have at least one drawback :)09:47
jiyuu0nothing is perferct09:48
jdubaru: ntfs stuff doesn't automount atm09:48
jdubaru: it probably will in the next release09:48
aruoh, that makes more sense then :)09:48
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Shuflajiyuu0, mariam : give me a sec, I've got to think...09:52
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jiyuu0Shufla, OK09:52
aruthis is all laid out perfectly, the people that made this distro must actually use a GUI09:53
michealboltonare all .deb packages compatible with ubuntu?09:53
crimsunaru: they do. They create one. It's called GNOME. :)09:53
Shuflamichealbolton: almost. especcialy that provided for debian/sarge aka testing09:53
Shuflamichealbolton: anyway there is many apps in universe/multiverse09:53
michealboltoncool thanks09:53
bob2aru: if some device isn't automounting, please file a bug09:54
jdubmichealbolton: not really. we suggest sticking to universe and multiverse09:54
bob2unless it's ntfs/hfs on warty, then it's a known bug :)09:54
arubob2, I think its because its NTFS09:54
bob2right, known issue, fixed in hoary09:54
aruthis distro needs to be on my laptop ASAP :)09:54
michealboltoni have it on my laptop09:55
jiyuu0aru, it's already on my laptop09:55
michealboltonit works great09:55
jiyuu0same here09:55
michealboltonEverything works09:55
michealboltonwell almost everything, i have no 3d support tho09:55
jiyuu0what card?09:55
michealboltonsavage s309:55
aruhow about wireless pcmcia cards for the laptop, anyone have one of those?09:55
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michealboltonhmm i have internal wireless, i used ndiswrapper with a windows driver09:56
michealboltonsupposidly ndiswrapper works with pc cards09:56
jiyuu0wah... lucky my dell laptop... all hardware ok09:56
jdubaru: depends on your card09:57
jiyuu0dlink pcmcia plug n play09:57
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aruoh I don't have one yet, but I figured I would ask before I bought one09:57
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xukunI,m having a problem burning cd's in ubuntu, there is no burner if I do cdrecord --scanbus09:58
bob2don't use -scanbus09:58
Treenaksxukun: use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or something09:58
bob2'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc'09:58
bob2I'm pretty sure this is in the faq, too09:59
xukunok I will check that09:59
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michealboltonis there a way I can type in japanese in ubuntu?10:03
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Shuflamariam, jiyuu0 : i have no idea. i've solved it once. check the printer configuration. afair if it works under win-boxes with anonymous access it do not have to work same way on ubuntu. try to use user/passwords. check printer permissions on win-boxes... howgh, sorry :(10:08
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jiyuu0Shufla, thanks for ur effort10:08
Treenaksmichealbolton: yes, there is, but I don't know how.10:09
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plasmommm i got my skype working. time to test it out :D10:10
plasmoinstalled i mean :)10:11
mariamShufla, thank you very much for all your support10:11
mariamI'll try to research online and see if i can dig anything up10:12
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|progenic|excuse me, is there any ubuntu manual to setup ftp server ?10:29
stuNNed|progenic|, probly a debian howto would apply10:30
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leymanis it possible to do some kind of dist-upgrade from *-i386 to *-amd64?10:44
Keybukaptitude reinstall "~i" might work *shrug*10:45
Keybukthen again, it could explode into little bits as the libc jumps architectures10:45
leymansounds dangerous :)10:45
Shuflabetter is to reinstall full system while going from 32bit arch to 64bit arch10:45
bob2you can point aptitude at a different arch? how?10:45
mhlandryhow the hell could do you a dist-upgrade from i386 to amd64?10:45
bob2dpkg does hava --force-architecture option10:46
leymanmhlandry, why not, the i386-version runs just fine on amd64, i'm doing that just now10:47
mhlandrymay I ask why?10:47
bob2you can debootstrap a new amd64 system10:47
bob2if you have a biarch kernel10:47
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Neillcan you use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace?10:54
nevynNeill: yes.10:55
bob2well, you can make a kernel that supports both10:56
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MyronAnyone knows how do i get agpgart module not to load at boot? I want to use nvagp.11:23
TreenaksMyron: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto on how to use the NVidia driver11:23
MyronThere is nothing about how to unload agpgart?11:25
bob2load nvagp in /etc/modules11:25
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cardadorMyron: you need to change a line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or XF86Config-4)11:26
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cardadorMyron: try to find the information on the Nvidia driver documentation11:28
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Myroncardador: i have edited those configs, the conflict is that nvagp module cannot be used if agpgart module is loaded11:32
TreenaksMyron: /etc/modules modules get loaded before hotplug loads its modules.. so it'll get loaded first if you put it there11:33
markus_Hi. I'd like to install Ubuntu by booting from CD-ROM and then use a network-server for retrieving the packages from. Any hint how I can tell Ubuntu to fetch its packages via network?11:34
bob2it asks you during the install11:34
Myronu did put nvagp on /etc/modules11:35
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Myronbut still: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!11:35
tckanyone get their cd's yet ?11:35
Mooftck: yup11:35
bob2lots of people did11:35
tcki haven't :(11:35
Moofwith the topless guy right on the front11:36
tckwhere are u guys living11:36
Moofmade a splash in the offcie ;)11:36
Mooftck: spain11:36
tckand they are been sent from Jersey ?11:36
bob2no, the netherlands11:36
tckireland is closer than spain11:36
tckahh ok11:36
Moofdo we know who the topless guy is?11:36
Mooftck: mine were sent from switzerland11:36
bob2Moof: a model in SA11:37
tckwhats the packaging like11:37
tckjust a cd sleeve ?11:37
markus_bob2, hmmm, with "it asks you during the install", did you answer the network-install-topic? (Because I can't find the step where it asks me...)11:37
Mooftck: it's a paper cd sleeve for the powerpc one, and a unfoldabel paper two-cd sleeve for i38611:37
tckcan't wait11:38
bob2markus_: why don't you want to install the base system fro mthe cd?11:38
sparehead1on a base install its still supposed to boot into gdm and then gnome right?11:38
tckgonna hand them all out at the next computer meet11:38
sparehead1if i wanted to grab the gnome erm is meta-package the right term? that get installed by default what would I apt-get?11:40
Agrajagubuntu-desktop should do it11:41
markus_bob2, because the machine doesn't have a built-in CD-ROM, but I only have an external USB-CD-ROM, and I can't get Ubuntu to recognize this drive once I set the language and keyboard...11:41
bob2does your machine support pxe or whatever?11:41
sparehead1rock, thanks Agrajag11:42
markus_I don't know yet. I thought booting from CD and then setting a network-server as apt-source would be easier...?11:42
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sparehead1so does ubuntu-desktop not install by default anymore?12:10
jmlI've just installed scribus on ubuntu12:10
jmland it segfaults when it opens my template.12:10
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borgmeisterhow do i convert rpm's to deb with alien?12:11
jmlhas anyone used scribus successfully on ubuntu?12:11
bob2sparehead1: it is installed by default12:12
bob2if you installed totem-xine and didn't look carefully, tho, you might have lost it12:12
jmlI think this it might be a font thing.12:12
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sparehead1nope clean install (cause i broke it with gnome-ppp and leaving multiverse in my apt/source.list while trying to get slmodem to work) just did an12:17
sparehead1apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and its all installing now12:19
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Lowryhi all12:29
toptncyesterday i upgrade my SID with hoary12:29
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toptncafter upgrading everithing seems to work ok12:29
toptncbut when i rebooted, mount doesn't work at all12:30
toptnconly root /dev/shm and /dev/pts seems to be well mounted12:30
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toptnc/proc /sys and /home refuses to mount12:30
toptnci was using a custom kernel 2.6.712:31
toptncthat kernel worked pretty well with my sid12:31
toptncanyway, i installed kernel-image-2.6.9-1-k7 and everything returns to normality12:32
toptncnow, i want to know if is it sane to keep my old sid servers with hoary servers into sources.list12:33
stuNNedtoptnc, probably best to keep either/or not both12:35
toptncwell, i can see that in ubuntu servers there are main, multiverse, restricted and universe12:36
toptncany of them have all debian packages?12:37
bob2"refuse to mount"?12:37
bob2you have *sid* servers?12:37
toptncby now i have ubuntu and sid in sources.list12:37
toptnceverithing seems to work ok12:37
bob2except you get no security updates12:38
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toptncwell, i haven't any inconvenience to get a fully ubuntu system.12:48
toptncbut i don't want to reinstall all my system12:48
toptnci rather prefer to "upgrade" to ubuntu12:48
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toptncwhat if remove sid servers from my sources.list and make a reinstall of all?12:49
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bob2that won't help12:49
bob2you could play pinning games, but it's not supported12:50
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markus_Hi. I've recently installed KDE from Universe, and now I don't have a vim-executable anymore. "kvim" offers /usr/bin/vim.org which basically seems to be a vim-executable. Though, "vim" is also installed of course and should provide /usr/bin/vim ... but this file is not available. Any idea?12:53
bob2dpkg -L vim | grep vim12:53
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markus_$ dpkg -L vim | grep /usr/bin/vim: lists the vim-executable, and says something about "diverted by kvim to: /usr/bin/vim.org". What does this mean?12:57
bob2it means /ur/bin/vim is the one from kvim12:57
bob2and /usr/bin/vim.orig is the one from vim12:57
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markus_bob2: The "dpkg -L vim" lists the file /usr/bin/vim as this file *should* be in the vim-package. The "funny" thing is that I don't have a /usr/bin/vim, as "kvim" doesn't offer such a file. Isn't there a way to tell the "vim"-package to reclaim its file again?01:00
bob2you can undivert it01:01
bob2but it's easier to remove kvim01:01
markus_bob2: I tried that, but removing kvim would remove kde again ...01:02
markus_bob2, how could I undiviert it?01:02
bob2"kde" is fine to remove01:02
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markus_bob2, further packages that would go are kdeaddons (which seems to be fine to be removed too) and vimpart, with the latter offering some libraries. I'll try removing it though and hope for the best...01:06
markus_bob2, It worked (though I don't know how KDE might re-act on this ... but I suppose it's fine there too.) Many thanks!01:07
bob2you're welcome01:08
bob2to undivert it, you can use dpkg-divert, but I forget the exact options01:08
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ztonzyhi :)01:16
ztonzyanyone who has recently updated to the lastest k7 kernel ? I have and noticed significant slowlness in gui, overall01:16
ztonzytried to re-install couple of things but haven't helped01:17
smoI can't say I've noticed anything different01:17
bob2reinstalling packages is never going to make things faster01:17
markus_bob2, ok, thanks. I'll check this one day ...01:18
lupus_firefox has no firefox -n "url" option ? so I can open a new site in a new tab01:18
bob2ztonzy: if it seems slower, and gets fast again when you boot the old kernel,. please file a bug01:18
ztonzybob2, maybe not, but maybe fix them01:18
ztonzywell...it seems it overwrite the older k7 kernel01:18
ztonzyit was an update01:19
bob2ztonzy: no, it won't fix them either01:19
bob2ztonzy: yes, try installing the old one01:19
smoIt shouldn't do?  I still have -2-k7 and -3-k7 in grub & /boot01:19
ztonzyI notice it when like when I log out...and this shading on the monitor is stepping rather than going smooth01:19
ztonzybob2, then I must remove current one first...then start over again :)01:20
bob2ztonzy: yes01:20
bob2smo: there have been multiple versions of -301:20
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ztonzyat first it gave menu.lst an default kernel menu...like nothing specific...which I commented out...because there's no such kernel, weird01:21
ztonzyI have XP2800+  is a k7 kernel better than a normal i686 ?01:22
smolupus_: It's a little more verbose, but try: firefox --remote "openurl(http://mozilla.org/,new-tab)"01:22
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Adrenalhow do i make the root account?01:23
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ztonzybob2, it cant have to do connection between kernelupdate+XFree+nvidiadrivers... ??  I mean the slowness01:26
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Rene_SIs there away to add the menu items that appear in the computer section of the panel to show up under just the gnome footprint menu ?01:34
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lupus_what is udeb?01:39
markus_I use cplay to play mp3s and oggs. Sometimes, "mpg321" crashes, resulting in all other sounds being played twice as fast. I then need to kill mpg321 manually ... Anybody knows something about it?01:39
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bob2ztonzy: you changed all those thing at once?01:43
bob2lupus_: a package format used by the installer01:43
hans_wurstcan someone recommend a dvd burner for linux?01:43
ztonzybob2, no...after I felt the "slowness"01:43
bob2hah, erm01:44
mjrhans_wurst, pretty much any will work01:44
hans_wurstok... or just recommend a dvd burner  ;-(01:44
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jordihey guys01:46
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jordican't find the official schedule for the Matar meeting in the wiki01:47
jordiAny quick pointer?01:47
Treenaksjordi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference ?01:47
bob2jane's still working on it last I heard01:47
sparehead1hans_wurst: most of my friends swear by the pioneers. Most dont run linux and I dont know about compatability with linux (that was my official disclaimer ^_^ ) but all like the pioneer's01:47
jordiTreenaks: seen that. Where's the schedule?01:48
Treenaksjordi: dunno01:48
Treenaksthere's a schedule link on there01:48
jordibob2: ok, Quim phoned me and told me it was already up.01:48
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xukunguys why does the the framebuffer console doesnt work, even vga=791 in /grub/menu.lst doesnt seem to work01:49
jordiTreenaks: I'm totally missing it then :)01:50
TreenaksThere is an initial sketch of ConferenceGoals online. The draft Conference BOF schedule will be up by Thursday, 25th November.01:50
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bob2Treenaks: that was yesterday01:50
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bob2oh, good point01:51
Treenaksbut on which day is this all?01:51
bob2saturday dec 1101:52
Treenaks(26 Nov) A conference schedule will be posted soon.01:52
jordiTreenaks: first Saturday.01:52
Rene_SIs there away to add the menu items that appear in the computer section of the panel to show up under just the gnome footprint menu ?01:52
bob2Rene_S: no01:52
Treenaksjordi: hm.. I'm there from 5-10.. just gone on 1101:52
jordioh well01:52
bob211th is "jordi shows us around barcelona" day, afaik :-)01:52
Treenakswasn't it pygtk day as well?01:53
fabbionehey jordi01:53
Rene_SOh well, I can make space by making the window list smaller then01:53
fabbionejordi: que pasa?01:53
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silbsthe schedule is still being worked on. Sorry for the delay - working on getting it posted asap.01:54
silbsmega pygtk bof is scheduled for over the weekend.01:54
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silbsthere is a schedule for the 11th on the wiki, but that is a special case. Schedule for other days coming01:55
silbsI believe jdub is supposed to be putting it online01:55
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silbsjordi: I have you down for the 5th to the 14th - is that approx correct?01:57
jordisilbs: that's exact.01:57
jordihi, jane, fabio01:58
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jordibob2: well, I could show you guys some places around Barcelona. But hopefully we can get braindmg or nyu to do the real thing, as they actually live in BCN. :)01:59
jordiI live ~350 kms south, in Valncia.01:59
danielsjordi: oh cool, so you speak Valencian, yeah?02:00
bob2nah, they speak spanish02:00
bob2it's in spain, dude02:00
jordiI wonder why a silly Aussie knows about these stupid issues regarding our language :)02:01
jordibob2: it's Catalunya too :)02:01
bob2maybe because silly catalins blog about it :-)02:01
toptncjordi: you speak Valencian or a Catalonian variant?02:01
toptncCatalonian == Valencian ??02:02
nevynbob2: that's like saying they speak the same language in firenze and sicillia02:02
toptncHuman stupidity is infinite :-P02:02
stvnnevyn: they do, 'not-understandable';)02:02
king_arthurnevyn: why? don't they? :-)02:02
nevynking_arthur: it's got the same label.. but it aint the same language.02:03
king_arthurnevyn: I know... I live there02:03
jordiI mean.02:03
jordiWhat do Argentinians speak? Argentinian, or Spanish?02:04
nevynking_arthur: I just did 12 years of school italian ;)02:04
nevynand lived with a bunch of italian tobacco farmers.02:04
danielsjordi: well, not Catalan02:04
king_arthurnevyn: but have lived a few years downunder as well02:04
jordiDoes anyone doubt it's Spanish? Well, Valencian and Catalan is the same case. There are some words that vary between Catalan and Valencian, that's all.02:04
king_arthurnevyn: my Italian landlord spoke about the same level of Italian and English.. :-)02:05
nevynjordi: but dialects are a tricky business.. a quite innocuous statement can become something completely different02:05
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stvnking_arthur: italish?02:05
king_arthurnevyn: same as my spanish friends did.. spanglish.. :-)02:06
nevynall the italian kids cracked the shits.. cause they had to work in yr12 italian.02:06
nevyncause what they spoke at home didn't cut it.02:06
jordinevyn: well, I tell you it's not the case in Catalan/Valencian. There are cases where totally normal words in Spanish (Castilla) are quite funny in Argentina.02:07
king_arthurnevyn: I know but this is all a bit O.T.02:07
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jordiOur word for "shell" (animal shell) is "concha". In Argentina, that means pussy. So what, still same language.02:08
king_arthurjust insatlling Warty right now on a x58602:08
jdubthanks jordi, that'll come in handy02:08
nevynsee is there a creature in that shell takes on an ENTIRELY different meaning ;)02:08
stvnjordi: what I learned from spanish friends was that every spanish word had a second meaning ;)02:08
danielsanyway, offtopic!02:08
jordistvn: yeah. EOD on my part :)02:09
king_arthurquestion any of you guys using a double display setup?02:09
nevynyes yes it is but fun.02:09
Ycrosking_arthur, I am02:09
nevynstop now.02:09
jordior daniels might get angry! And you guys should fear an angry little daniel.02:09
king_arthurYcros: was it difficult to setup?02:09
king_arthurit didn't work for me02:10
Ycrosmmm, twinview didn't work for me (nvidia card)02:10
stvndaniels: btw I've traced my tv-out problem to wrong cables, so I don't know yet if your radeon driver works, need to fetch new cables02:10
YcrosI'm running two separate screens02:10
king_arthurI have pulled out one card and starting again02:10
Ycroswithout xinerama extensions02:10
YcrosI've never managed to get it working with two separate cards02:10
danielsstvn: oh, heh :)02:10
king_arthurnew installation takes about 3/4 hours :-(02:10
jordijdub: "coger" is a word you use dozens of times every day (to pick up, etc). It means "fuck" in Argentina. :P02:10
YcrosI once had it at the stage where I could switch between both cards, but not have them run simultaneously02:11
king_arthurYcros: It should be possible, in theory02:11
Ycrosyes, people have done it02:11
Ycroswhat cards are you doing it with?02:11
king_arthurYcros: is there a irc channel for xfree to the best of your knowledge?02:12
Ycrosnever been in one02:12
Ycrosit's probably a scary place. (:02:12
king_arthurYcros: one is SiS and one is Trident02:12
king_arthurI agree02:12
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king_arthursetting up xfree on my first install 2 years agoo took me about 15 days... :-(02:13
king_arthurYcros: question: how comes so many ausies online here?02:14
YcrosI don't know, I don't keep count02:14
bob2because we're awesome02:14
jdubking_arthur: debian is very popular in australia02:14
king_arthurYcros: makes more sense here in Europe but you have nice weather downunder02:14
jdubking_arthur: secretly, we want to be spanish02:14
Ycrosclearly it's jdub's charisma ;)02:14
bob2among technical users, at least02:14
king_arthurso anybody knows about a xfree irc channel?02:15
king_arthurscary question? 8)02:16
hans_wurstking_arthur: try the knoppix-trick to setup your xserver02:16
king_arthurwhat's that?02:16
king_arthurI know knoppix of course02:17
bob2#xfree86 (haha)02:17
hans_wurstdoes x-server work with knoppix?02:17
king_arthurbob2: there is a xfree channel, I just joined in02:18
bob2yes, I know02:18
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king_arthurbob2: very quite in there02:19
bob2yeah, xfree86 is dead02:19
danielstry #xorg02:19
king_arthurbob2: so the future is x.org?02:20
bob2it has more XIZZLE02:20
king_arthurbob2: i had a shot at it with hoary but went back to xfree02:20
nevynnah it doesn't.02:20
nevynxizzle is dead.02:21
king_arthurwhat's XIZZLE02:21
Matt|xizzle is the word02:21
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king_arthurhans_wurst: anyway what's the knoppix-trick thing again?02:22
king_arthurhans_wurst: jut cecking it under knoppix is that what you ment?02:23
king_arthurjust one simple/tricky question about xfree86 setup02:24
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raphaHe doods, I got a package from overseas, and guessy what is in there!02:25
king_arthurthe addres PCI 00:00:00 to put in config file is decial or HEX?02:25
Treenaksking_arthur: deciwhat? :P02:26
king_arthurfor instance if I get lspci 0000:00:13:00 is that what to type into the config file?02:26
Treenaksking_arthur: yes02:26
Matt|rapha, drugs?02:26
nevynrapha: cd's?02:26
raphaNow the next thing we need is free Ubuntu CDs with German cover texts...02:26
Matt|so close02:26
raphanevyn: EXACTLY!02:26
raphaThanks a heap Canonical!02:26
Treenaksrapha: and Dutch.. and Italian.. and Spanish.. etc.02:27
nevynrapha: how many?02:27
nevynpressed cd's good.02:27
Matt|perhaps I'll order some cds, it might be cool to distribute them to people randomly02:27
king_arthurTreenaks: if I do so x fails and replys "no screen found"02:27
raphaI'm herewith volunteering to organize Ubuntu CDs with German cover texts if Canonical wishes so.02:27
bob2nevyn: did you order cds?02:27
nevynI wonder if cannonical's actions will inspire rh to do the same for fedora. given the media issues they've had...02:27
nevynbob2: yep.02:27
bob2nevyn: did they arrive yet?02:27
nevynbob2: 10002:27
king_arthurany Italian help needed? I am willing to volunteer02:27
raphanevyn: 25, as ordered02:28
bob2I have a ton coming and I won't be there to get them02:28
nevynbob2: where?02:28
raphabob2: A ton?02:28
bob2nevyn: coming to my house02:28
raphaHow many CDs is that, a ton?02:28
Matt|king_arthur, you can start by idling in #ubuntu-it02:28
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Keybukbob2: how many did you order?02:28
bob2Keybuk: 30002:28
Matt|a ton is 10002:28
bob2rapha: heh, I mean "lots"02:28
nevynbob2: there were customs issues with the orders over 1000.02:28
Keybukbob2: that's not a ton, is just a reasonable box-size02:28
raphabob2: Okay :)02:29
king_arthurMatt|: #ubuntu-it02:29
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nevynbob2: that's not a tonne.. there were people who did order 1000+02:29
bob2Keybuk: www.dictionary.org/hyperbole02:29
Matt|king_arthur, yes02:29
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raphaMatt|: #ubuntu-de is pretty quiet, unfortunately.02:29
king_arthurMatt|: I see it's on and some people there02:30
Matt|beh so it -it but occasionally people come in for support that don't speak english02:30
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bob2hah, that would seem to somewhat defeat the point of the livecd02:31
raphabob2: Well, I already got Ubuntu installed for real.02:31
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bob2hah, righ02:31
raphaThese CDs are all meant for other people. I'll only keep one for myself to be able to show it to my grandchildren :)02:31
rapha"See, this is how we started taking on the world of Windows"02:32
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smoI love that livecd .. quite a marketting move.  I keep a slightly modified version at work.  whenever the machines act up, I just go and remove windows from the equation.  now Mr Boss is seriously considering make it a permenant move02:32
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smowhich reminds me, has anyone had any luck getting the cloop module to build on ubuntu's stock kernel?  It's quite a pain to have to boot into the livecd to use it02:35
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Treenakssmo: you want dm-crypt, not cloop02:35
Treenakssmo: (if cloop = cryptoloop)02:35
icahey guys, how can i configure ubuntu to use a proxy, globally, for all users (i.e, with a file, not with the gnome network proxy program)02:35
smoTreenaks: Will that work as a drop-in replacement for the livecd's filesystems?02:36
Treenaksica: add 'http_proxy=http://your.proxy.server:port/ to /etc/environment02:36
Treenakssmo: don't know02:36
icaTreenaks, thanks02:36
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smowell, it's google-fodder atleast, thanks02:36
raphaA SPLASH SCREEN!!!02:36
king_arthurMatt|: back here02:37
raphaAre these HOARY CDs???02:37
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Treenaksica: also, you might want to set the gnome proxy settings as default using gconftool02:37
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Treenaksrapha: no, live CDs02:37
Matt|rapha, a grub splash screen? or boot screen?02:37
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icaTreenaks, which string do i need to search in gconftool?02:38
raphaAnd a dang pretty boot screen too, if I may says so.02:38
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raphaMatt|: boot screen. And there was a graphical grub screen as well, of course.02:38
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Treenaksica: there's a howto.. let me search02:38
Matt|rapha, is that gnoppix?02:38
raphaMatt|: Nope, Ubuntu02:39
icaTreenaks, i have a system/http_proxy already set in gconftool (because i used network proxy tool in gnome probably)02:39
Matt|is the ubuntu live cd similar to gnoppix?02:39
raphaTreenaks: then hopefully hoary will have this same bootscreen in the installed version?02:39
Treenaksica: yes, you have to set that manually, as roto02:39
smoas I read it, they're one in the same now  (gnoppix's latest release was warty, and they give @canonical.com as their contact info)02:39
Treenaksica: as root even..02:39
NOCDif no cd rom is detected by ubuntu install, what ca i do?02:39
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Treenaksica: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01.html02:39
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Treenaksica: like this: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01s06.html#gconf-1002:40
raphaMatt|: Similar... well, urm, you pop it in and it boots. Like all Live CDs do, nope?02:40
Matt|rapha, sure but I read on the gnoppix website that it is based on ubuntu, so I assumed they would be the same02:40
raphaOnly thing that could be slightly confusing is that it's showing "ramdisk" on the desktop.02:40
raphaMatt|: The Ubuntu Live CD is based on Gnoppix (as I hear) which in turn is based on Knoppix, which is based on Debian.02:41
jdubgnoppix is now based on ubuntu :)02:41
jdububuntu live cd is built with morphix02:41
Matt|rapha, other way round i believe02:41
Matt|ah thanks jdub02:42
raphaOkay, sorry for the non-information then.02:42
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raphajdub: When I ordered those CDs I didn't know so many Windows users around here were interested in Ubuntu, so I only ordered 25. Will there be such a CD ordering programme for Hoary again?02:44
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raphaHey, that reminds me -- when can we buy Ubuntu T-Shirts? :-)02:46
jdubyou can on cafepress02:46
Treenaksjdub: cafepress t-shirts aren't ubuntu-brown.. they're white02:46
jdubwe'll have other stuff going too, soon enough02:47
rjekOK.  I give up.  How do you stop windows from obscuring the panel when you maximise them in hoary?02:47
rjekAnd where are the panel's options?02:47
TreenaksI want an ubuntu-lightbrown ubuntu shirt :)02:47
rapharjek: gconf-editor02:47
Treenaksrapha: don't run xcompmgr :)02:47
jdubrjek: are you running xcompmgr?02:47
rjekjdub: Nope.02:47
jdubshouldn't happen then02:47
jdubkillall metacity02:47
rjekAha, that appears to do the trick.02:48
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raphaOh, and do you Ubuntu guys think it'd be possible to include XFCE, AbiWord and Gnumeric on the CD (not install, just include), so that you don't have to bring a second CD when you're installing Ubuntu on older hardware w/o internet access or only 56k?02:50
danielsrapha: the CD is dangerously close to full as is02:51
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raphaThen maybe sell a Ubuntu DVD with as much of main, universe, multiverse and whatever other repositories as fits on it?02:52
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raphaBut then... older hardware doesn't have DVD players02:52
kensaiI hoped to see XFCE4.2 RC1 in Hoary since it is unstable but I'm stuck with the stable 4.0 :(02:52
RomPresHi.  I finally decided to install ubuntu on my G4 Mac after experimenting with it on an older G4 and loving it.02:53
raphakensai: There's this real excellent XFCE 4.2 RC1 installer. Just a few mouse clicks and it'll install it for you.02:53
raphakensai: Just look on the XFCE page.02:53
kensairapha, where I can find it have any direct link?02:53
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RomPresThe installer runs, and when it goes to load drivers while polling for CD-ROM drives, I get an error:  "Error while running 'modprobe -v aic7xxx'"02:53
RomPresI have an option to continue, but when I do, the installer just hangs.02:54
RomPresI have a SCSI card installed with a 9GB drive I'll be wanting to use as my boot volume.02:54
RomPresAny ideas?  Googling on the error indicates at least one other person has had this trouble with a debian installation.02:54
RomPresBut that was oddly related to his network card.02:55
raphakensai: With goodies or without goodies02:56
Treenaksscred2: goodie?02:56
raphakensai: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=43 <-- XFCE02:56
raphakensai: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=44 <-- Goodies02:57
kentRomPres, you could try to remove your networkcard and see if it remains?02:57
raphahttp://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=45 <-- GTK + Engine02:57
raphaOh wait, I got 44 and 45 twisted02:57
kensairapha, thanks02:57
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RomPresIt's not a network card, it's a SCSI card.03:02
RomPresI removed the SCSI card and the installer continues just fine.03:03
RomPresWhich sucks.03:03
TreenaksRomPres: try removing another PCI device. or moving the SCSI one around03:03
RomPresBecause YDL used to work with this card just fine.03:03
RomPresI'll try that.03:03
Treenaksydl? it's a mac?03:03
RomPresI don't want to use YDL anymore!03:03
RomPresYes it's a Mac.03:03
Treenaksah! important piece of info :)03:03
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RomPresI believe I stated that at the beginning...03:03
RomPres[08:53]  <RomPres> Hi.  I finally decided to install ubuntu on my G4 Mac after experimenting with it on an older G4 and loving it.03:04
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RomPresDamn.  Same crap.03:06
RomPresI guess I'll have to deal with an IDE drive.03:06
eruinI just managed getting my pants wet from the knees down03:06
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Matt|eruin, bit more information than necessary03:17
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pastyhermitI added my JDK to the path statement in /etc/profile but it is not taking effect03:26
pastyhermitwhere else does it need to be added?03:26
Treenakspastyhermit: have you logged in again?03:26
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Treenakspastyhermit: /etc/profile is only parsed on login03:26
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dadhi from japan03:28
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pastyhermitno soup03:29
pastyhermitdidnt work03:29
granlatigoI have a problem when I type user&passsord in gdm splash screen, after that the screen ask me again for user&pass03:29
scoonpastyhermit: i put a source /etc/profile in my ~/.bashrc03:29
dadanyone using a G4 tower?03:29
Treenaksgranlatigo: you might be entering it wrong..03:29
granlatigodoes anyone knows what`s going on?03:29
Treenaksgranlatigo: it's case-sensitive03:29
Treenaksgranlatigo: so check your caps-lock key, and if you are typing the right password03:29
granlatigoit's ok,03:30
pastyhermitdad,  heh I wish :D03:30
Treenaksgranlatigo: does it "log in", and then come back03:30
dadhehe pasty03:30
pastyhermitgot an ibook03:30
Treenaksgranlatigo: or does it just ask for the password again directly?03:30
Kamiongranlatigo: check that the keymap is what you expect; type some of the characters from your password into the username field so that you can see them, and make sure they're right03:30
dadgood for you  does ubuntu run ok?03:30
granlatigoTreenaks, it looks like if it where to load the desktop, but after a blank screen it ask me again user&pass03:31
pastyhermityes it runs rather well03:31
pastyhermitexcept for the evil broadcomm corporattion my wireless doesnt work nativly03:31
Treenaksgranlatigo: did you do anything special?03:31
pastyhermitbut other than that its phenominally well done03:31
kensaiI can't even follow it when it is running03:31
Treenaksgranlatigo: (break off an install, upgrade, anything)03:31
restrexme llegaron recien los cds de ubuntu03:31
granlatigoi tryed to install lilo03:32
dadah yes thats the only thing keeping me from sticking on al pb03:32
kensairestrex, good for you man03:32
granlatigorestrex, yo espero aun en Canarias03:32
restrex:D:D:D:D i'm so happy ubuntu rocks03:32
Treenaksgranlatigo: don't do that :)03:32
kensaigranlatigo, I'm waitning for the cds here in Puerto Rico03:32
pastyhermitdad, I got a dwl-122, so I do have wireless03:32
Treenaksgranlatigo: and log in on the console, and check your .xsession-errors for messages03:32
dadno sound on the tower cds wont play and the nvidia drivers are awful  apart from that its nice03:32
pastyhermitbut you will have to do some tinkering to get it to work03:33
granlatigokensai, here in gran n03:33
pastyhermitparticularly install the wlan-ng drivers03:33
granlatigokensai, here in gran canaria there is a place called puerto rico03:33
granlatigoTreenaks, there i go03:33
dadhmm i have an airport extreme in the pb ,,,grrr03:33
kensaigranlatigo, LOL but I'm on Puerto Rico the island03:33
pastyhermitdad, I know03:33
pastyhermitits the evil broadcomm corporation03:34
pastyhermitsame problem with my Dell03:34
granlatigokensai, i suppose03:34
dadyep i signed the petition03:34
dadnow that;ll change things a bit !  not03:34
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dadpity no sound  cant really make a fair comparison with osx03:35
pastyhermitI say we DDOS em lol03:35
pastyhermitno just kidding03:35
pastyhermitit really pisses me off though03:35
pastyhermitI dont want to be stuck runing win-doze03:35
pastyhermitits for the "close" minded03:35
dadyeah still  wait a year or so mb lol03:35
dadwell if noone has any suggestions for sound better get googling i guess03:36
granlatigoTreenaks, (gnome-terminal:3950): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:03:36
granlatigoAuthentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specifie03:36
granlatigoDestroying .si03:36
granlatigoThe application 'Gecko' lost its connection to the display :0.0;03:36
granlatigomost likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed03:36
granlatigothe application.03:36
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RomPresI have a G4 tower...03:37
pastyhermitdad, sorry, mine just worked03:38
dadhi Rompres any sound?03:38
RomPresUbuntu runs fantastically on an original G4 I installed it on.  But I'm having trouble instaiing it on my "production" box which has an Adaptec SCSI card in it.03:38
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RomPresYep.  Sound works, though it seems rather LOW.  But I don't have external speakers connected.03:38
dadto be specific my I can get the pc speaker to work but not my usb soundsticks03:38
RomPresOh....I don't have soundsticks.03:38
kapputudad what are you doing here!!!03:38
pastyhermitstupid ubuntu03:39
pastyhermitI cant get eclipse to fire from my gui03:39
kapputuwhat did it do?03:39
dadits bloody interesting lol03:39
kapputuwhy not?03:39
dadrythmbox grr how do i start this thing?03:39
pastyhermitpath statements are being a pain and when I launch it it says it cant find startup.jar wich is in the same dir I am launcing it from!03:40
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dadmy mrs has jars in the kitchen03:40
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pastyhermitdad, java programming .jar files are byte code archives03:41
dadcool sorry its hard for me  i tunred 69 the other day and this technology is just giving me a real thrashing lol03:41
Treenaksjar files are zip files with a java taste03:41
pastyhermitdad, you serious dude03:42
pastyhermitthats awesome!03:42
kappututar files to be exact03:42
dadwhat is ?03:42
kapputujar files03:42
pastyhermitthat fact that your 69 and you run leenux :D03:42
kappututar is tape archive03:42
dadwell i wouldnt say run exactly hehe03:42
Treenakskapputu: no, jar files are zip files.. not blessed tars03:43
dadis there an age limit on linux or something?03:43
kapputuhmm you could say that but if you look at the jar program it supports exactly the same options as tar03:43
kapputuyeah strictly 1-14003:44
pastyhermitdad, nope Im just happy cause my mom cant even do windows :D03:44
pastyhermitand she swears at me when it "doesnt work"03:44
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pastyhermitor she "cant find the address bar"03:45
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dadi have the same problem supporting my father in Oz hes on xp and hes 9303:45
Treenaksdad: get him on ubuntu as well :)03:46
dadhe started puters when he was 91 lol03:46
dadhaha yeah grrrr good idea03:46
kapputuhe'll live longer if he uses Ubuntu03:46
Treenakskapputu: "Ubuntu: Recommended by your MD"?03:47
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kapputuall the banging on the head he has to do if he uses windows will be saved03:47
dadyeah hed give up the puter and exercise a lot more03:47
pastyhermitkapputu, yeah hehehe03:47
kapputuUbuntu :- A longer and better life ... - I can imagine an ad like this on TV in a few years03:47
pastyhermitif he cant figure out the path statement anyone cant lol03:48
dadwell better google usb audio sigh thanks guys have fun03:48
kapputuAsk your local doctor now.. if he doesn't know , make him use Ubuntu03:48
Treenaksdad: oh usb audio should work03:48
Treenaksdad: what's the problem?03:48
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dadI saw the modules but cant route from internal speaker to soundsticks03:49
dadonly thing stopping me really enjoying ubuntu03:49
dadno Frank Sinatra while I scratch my head03:49
Treenaksdad: so you want to use the external speakers instead of the built-in ones03:49
Treenaksdad: uh.. let me think :)03:49
dadhehe appreciated03:49
Treenaksit has to do with forcing the order of loading the drivers I think03:50
dadsounds reasonable03:50
pastyhermitdad usb audio?03:50
Treenakspastyhermit: yes03:50
Treenaksdad: open a terminal03:50
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Treenaksdad: then type "lsmod | grep snd" (without the "")03:51
Treenaksdad: and paste the output to www.pastebin.com03:51
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raphaCool, I just finished The Day Of The Tentacle the first time in my life.03:51
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dadok done03:51
dadumm how ? sorry03:52
Treenaksdad: you know how to copy/paste?03:52
dadhehe yeah03:52
Treenaksdad: well, copy the output in the terminal to the web form on www.pastebin.com and click "send"03:52
Treenaksdad: so we can read it :)03:53
dadoh  okies lemme see browser...umm03:53
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sparehead1thats awwsome!03:53
Treenakssparehead1: what is?03:53
sparehead1www.pastebin.com thats gota make trouble shooting for you guys a whole lot easier03:54
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Treenaksdad: ok, now in the same terminal type:03:54
Treenaksdad: sudo nano /etc/modules03:54
Treenaksdad: it'll ask for your password, enter that03:55
Lobote fode bicha03:55
Treenaksdad: then you'll see the contents of the configuration file03:55
Treenaksdad: add two new lines to the end of it, the first one with:03:55
Treenaksdad: the second one with only:03:55
dadsnd-powermac is there03:55
Treenaksreverse that03:55
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Treenaksdad: ah.. add snd_usb_audio before that then03:55
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Treenaksjust remove snd-powermavc03:56
dadremove snd_powermac?03:56
Treenaksdad: even better, put a "#" in front of it03:56
dadcomment it out ok03:56
Treenaksthen a reboot should do the trick03:57
dadok ill give it a burl cya shortly i hope hehe03:57
Treenaks(you could mess around with unloading and re-loading modules, but thats messy)03:57
Treenaksgood luck03:57
dadthnks spock cheers03:58
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Treenaksdad: did it work?04:01
dadman you get a carrot lol  np04:01
dadnearly knowcked me off my chair04:01
dadyou a real guru or wot?04:02
dadthanks so much for that04:02
Treenaksdad: it's just a common problem :)04:02
dadmb but to me its like chicken bones and eye of newt  lol04:03
dadnow if i could just get my Puccini cd to play04:03
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dadsorry to be a pain treenaks but xmms says no cd in /dev/cdrom  mb the path is wrong04:05
icahi, is there a way to disable ipv6 all together in ubuntu? it is causing severe slowness in all the system04:05
bob2please file a bug04:05
bob2and include straces of programs that are slow04:05
umarmungAnyone elese here having problems with evolution & IMAP on hoary?04:06
icait is a custom configuration, we are using ldap to do authentication04:06
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icaso login and ssh is really slow04:06
icaand so far i cant get gdm to authenticate04:06
jdubica: someone mentioned a good way of doing it on the users list04:06
bob2umarmung: if they had, it'd be in the bug system :)04:06
umarmung:( haven't found anything in bugzilla04:07
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dadeep it works04:08
dadcrackle pop play lol04:08
dadshould i hdparm my cdplayer?04:09
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icajdub: is there a way to search that user list?04:09
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jdubica: i don't think so atm, but google isn't too bad with it04:10
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icajdub: ldap site:lists.ubuntu.com returns nothing04:13
icai tried to reboot ubuntu, and now it's stuck loading at "setting up ICE socket directory"04:20
ica:( what can i do?04:23
icahmm i pressed ctrl-c and it continued booting04:24
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tencowhy is the package paw++/paw not installable over universe ubuntu despite its available in debian04:29
dn3does anyone know if ubuntu has ndiswrapper instaaleed04:30
Kamiontenco: when was it added to Debian?04:30
Kamiontenco: we froze universe in June 200404:30
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RodI searched the internet, looked the forum... I cant get my problem solved though.04:32
RodI use ubuntu for a pretty while, last week i got a new computer with a nforce3 motherboard04:32
RodThe problem is that ubuntu sees the network well (lsmod shows the right module, forcedeth, loaded)04:32
Rodbut i still aint got internet04:33
Rodno ping or whatsoever04:33
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Rodthere was a file with my hostname and everything in it, which it had to be gotten from the internet04:33
RodMy question now is what data you need to see exactly what the problem is04:33
Rodor where it is :)04:33
GotD0tanybody have any trouble getting GPG to lock memory after upgrading to Hoary?04:33
tencoKamion: iam not sure. packages.debian.org reports a version "2004.01.20-8" for i38604:33
Rod*network... i mean networdcard04:34
Kamiontenco: that's available in hoary universe (although not for amd64)04:34
Kamiontenco: chances are it just didn't build properly for warty04:34
Kamiontenco: in general we put very little effort into fixing build problems in universe04:34
tencoKamion: yes, but paw-common, which is needed by paw++, is not04:34
Kamiontenco: sure it is, I see it04:35
KamionPackage: paw-common04:35
KamionPriority: optional04:35
KamionSection: universe/science04:35
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Rodnobody can tell my why my network card is detected, but dhcp doesnt work? :-/04:36
Rodit works flawlesly in windows04:36
Rodand also in gentoo  and fedora04:36
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Rodnot in debian (installer rc2)04:36
tencoKamion: not in my selection04:36
dracnot supported by debian yet04:37
tencoKamion: is synaptic updating the universe package-list?04:37
Roddebian includes the forcedeth drivers as well drac ... but they 'fail' to load04:37
tencoKamion: or should i go for apt-get update?04:37
Rodcant figure out why04:37
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Kamiontenco: should do if it's in sources.list04:39
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stvnhm, my computer clock is running at the wrong speed, any suggestions how to solve it?04:44
RubenVstvn: how do you mean?04:44
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stvnRubenV: it's too slow04:44
RubenVthat's normal04:44
stvnnope old desktop computer04:44
RubenVtry doing something like04:44
RubenVmd5sum /dev/urandom04:45
RubenVand it'll throttle up04:45
RubenVold desktop pc?04:45
RubenVis it an ubuntu only issue?04:45
stvnamd 400 with AT mobo04:45
stvnnope, it's a general linux issue04:45
stvn1 sec takes about 2sec real time04:45
RubenVheh that's strange04:46
stvnanyone any suggestion?04:49
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GotD0ti uninstalled GPG which i installed by way of apt-get, and then i compiled and installed it myself, and now when i run the command gpg it tells me that /usr/bin/gpg doesnt exist, which it doesnt because its now located in /usr/local/bin/gpg... how do i change it so it looks for it in the correct place?04:52
GoneBoBGotD0t: restart your shell04:52
Kamionhash -r gpg04:52
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Kamionsorry, hash -d gpg04:52
GotD0tgonebob: worked... thanks04:52
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siretartGotD0t: `hash -r` would also have worked05:05
dadubuntu is amazingly good05:11
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=== iz is away: Ik ben bezig
Bliksemwhats the setting to make nautilus open windows in the same window?05:18
Bliksem*folders in the same window05:18
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birmeComputer->Desktop Preferences->File Management05:20
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Bliksembirme then what?05:23
Gwildoris it know that the ubuntu update manager doesnt update the source list (apt-get update), before it searches for upgrades05:23
Gwildorkinda makes it pointless05:23
Qo-noSBliksem: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser true05:23
birmeBliksem: the second tab from the left05:24
birmefirst checkbox from the top05:24
jiyuu0|workBliksem, FYI http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#openfoldersamewindow05:24
sparehead1whats the difference between universe and multiverse in sources.list?05:25
jdubuniverse == free05:25
jdubmultiverse == non-free05:25
sparehead1ahhh, kewl05:25
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sparehead1its still a very very BAD thing to cross the streams, I mean have debian sources in your ubuntu source.list right?05:26
ironwolfsparehead1: yes, don't cross the streams.... :)05:27
sparehead1right on05:28
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koiohow does ubuntu compare to gentoo?05:35
jklike apples to pears05:35
sparehead1hmm dont have to compile everything from source05:35
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koiooh.  so it's a binary distro.05:36
jkyou can compile from source though05:36
sdrmy ubuntu install is ignoring all but the first domain in my search list in resolv.conf.05:36
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ironwolfsdr: what have you tried to verify this?05:40
sdractually, nevermind, I did an apt-get update a couple days ago and I can no longer reproduce the problem.05:47
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sparehead1is there a new version or name for w32codecs, I'm just trying to get some codecs installed so I can watch and listen to stuff. Do I really need w32codecs (is that like win32 like wma codecs?) or should I be cool with the gstreamer ones05:52
ironwolfsdr: glad it's fixed. :)05:52
kentsparehead1, i dont know if the totem with gstreamer backend can use those codecs, but totem-xine does. I think you get support for fare more codecs with w32codecs.05:53
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sparehead1ok. Is there a special way to get it cause when i try to apt-get it it says that its missing but refered to by another package05:56
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mjrgstreamer does indeed not currently have support for w32codecs05:57
mjrsuch a plugin hasn't apparently been a priority05:57
sparehead1on a COMPETELY different note, does anyone know a good bit-torrent client that dont use java?05:58
PathfinderHi, am a relatively new linux user (BTW, Ubuntu is much easier for newbie to handle than MDK), and need to reed .pdf's in firefox. Battling to set up acrobat reader - can enayone help?  Have copied the file, as instructed, into plug-in directory.05:58
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mjrsparehead1, bittornado works well enough05:58
deFryskPathfinder, use xpdf05:58
PathfinderdeFrysk: How do I get Xpdf to open them in firefox?05:58
deFryskopen with...05:59
deFryskthen select xpdf05:59
deFrysk /usr/bin/xpdf05:59
jiyuu0Pathfinder, acroread plugin http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html05:59
deFryskto be precise05:59
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deFryskow IN firefox06:00
lalaanybody help me : iget this error when i boot device-mapper dm-linear device lookup failed?06:01
lalaanybody help me : iget this error when i boot device-mapper dm-linear device lookup failed?06:01
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Pathfinderjiyuu0: thanks06:03
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jiyuu0Pathfinder, no prob06:06
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NetwrkMonkeywell i think i'm about to install ubuntu06:10
NetwrkMonkeynot before i back up 20 gigs though06:10
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jiyuu0NetwrkMonkey, and u r currently using...06:10
jiyuu0ah... kde -> gnome06:11
NetwrkMonkeywell SuSE 8.1 on the box i'm installing it on06:11
NetwrkMonkeyyup switching back to gnome06:11
jiyuu0suse -> colourful06:11
jiyuu0ubuntu -> plain06:11
NetwrkMonkeyi used ximian for the longest time and i've been keeping an eye on the development06:11
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eruinNetminder: you won't regret it :)06:13
eruinerr, NetwrkMonkey06:13
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eruinapart from the fact that xchat's nick completion is unbelievably sloppy06:13
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eruinnow allow me to install some expos-like hacks :)06:14
jiyuu0eruin, and what does the hack do06:15
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NetwrkMonkeywell i've known thatt06:16
sparehead1make the nick complition not sloppy?06:17
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eruinexpos ... ie alt-tab improved06:17
jiyuu0issit... let me check06:18
sparehead1damn, really thought i had that one06:18
eruinapparently it's been proposed for metacity-inclusion06:18
eruinonly trouble is, ofcourse, that that particular file is dead-old06:19
NetwrkMonkeydear god it takes an ice age to bzip2 a 500 mb tar06:19
NetwrkMonkeywell 700 mb06:19
eruinlast iceage or the one before that?06:19
NetwrkMonkeythe one before lol06:19
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NetwrkMonkeyI do weekley backups06:20
jedthehumanoidhave anyone had any luck compiling trident driver or any other driver from source?06:20
NetwrkMonkeyjust now putting them on cd06:20
sirfredjedthehumanoid: You mean for x.org ?06:20
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jedthehumanoidno, for xfree86 at the moment...i seem to be missing a host.def file...06:21
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eruinI need a place to follow metacity development06:21
sirfredjedthehumanoid: Don't know, sorry06:21
jedthehumanoidthx anyway06:21
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jedthehumanoidbut the right way to go if you need the X sources is apt-get source xserver-xfree86 right?06:22
sirfredjedthehumanoid: I think so.06:22
danielsor xserver-xorg06:22
sirfredjedthehumanoid: That's the debian way06:23
jedthehumanoiddaniels, yeah06:23
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sirfredI would like to have mach64 dri support in x.org.06:23
jedthehumanoidbut i dont seem to get the host.def...for my system, is there anyway to generate och create one on my own?06:23
sirfredPerhaps I need to compile the package xserver-xorg myself.06:24
NetwrkMonkeyis it possible to use Xorg in Warty ?06:25
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mp_hi...just installed Ubuntu, but Grub fails to load in first reboot at stage 1.5, returning error 21 (described here: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=6846)06:25
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Kamion21 : Selected disk does not exist06:26
Kamion     This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full06:26
Kamion     file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or06:26
Kamion     not recognized by the BIOS in the system.06:26
Kamionsounds like something between grub's device.map and the BIOS is confused06:26
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mp_Kamion: thx, it looks like a problem w/ HPT370 controller then...06:34
Kamionmp_: highpoint? sounds like Ubuntu bug #225406:35
RubenVHPT370 support in linux is problematic06:35
Kamionit's assigned to me, but I don't really know how to start going about debugging it06:35
RubenVi have one on my desktop06:35
mp_Kamion: yes... i will have a look...06:35
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RubenVbut i'm not using it for anything advanced06:35
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Kamionhelp appreciated, but I'm afraid I don't really know where to tell you to start06:36
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RubenV(i'm just not using my desktop recently actually :))06:36
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mp_i had problem with HPT370 in Redhat 7.3 (there was no driver) but with Redhat 8.0/9.0 onwards there were no problems06:36
Matt|anyone know how to use ImageMagick and convert quite well?06:37
pridkettMatt|: what do you need to do?06:38
RubenVMatt|: what do you want to do?06:38
RubenVmogrify is also nice btw, part of ImageMagick too06:38
pridkettRubenV: they're basically the same thing, mogrify just does the stuff in place06:39
Matt|pridkett, RubenV, I have a folder full of my parents digital photos. I want to seek out the ones which are longer vertically than horizontally and turn them 90 degrees06:39
Matt|is that gonna be possible?06:39
Kamionmp_: interesting, wonder what RH did06:39
RubenVpridkett: true, but i've spent ages using convert before finding out mogrify existed06:39
RubenVdamn i hated myself when i found that out :)06:40
pridkettMatt|: yup, mogrify is the tool you'll want06:40
wasabiIs there any reasource for ubuntu help with a lucent ltmodem?06:40
Matt|pridkett, it is command line right?06:40
Matt|ok cool06:40
RubenVMatt|: i do that with gthumb06:40
Matt|is there a good man page06:40
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mp_Kamion: they integrated the driver that HP provided the source for, and it seemed to work.. the HP driver also worked for me in RH 7.306:40
RubenVgthumb can read exif tags about orientation06:40
RubenVif they are there06:40
Matt|yeah i dunno about that06:41
RubenVso it automattically rotates according to how the camera was used06:41
pridkettThat's probably what you'll want to do06:41
Kamiontip of the day: it helps if you install packages of the right architecture *sigh*06:41
RubenVthat alone makes gthumb a killer app :)06:42
kristjananybody had success with tvout on ati radeon 9600 M10 mobility?06:42
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Matt|k i fired up gthumb and it crashed straight away06:43
Matt|killer app...06:43
RubenVworks great normally06:43
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Matt|i can't get it working06:43
RubenVguess it'll have to be some console magic then06:43
Matt|it opens and then crashes06:43
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Matt|i was looking for console magic anyhow ;p06:44
RubenVmogrify then06:44
Matt|RubenV, you running hoary?06:44
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RubenVMatt|: yes06:44
Matt|and gthumb works?06:44
Matt|try and do something in it06:44
RubenVworks great06:45
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pridkettMatt|: you can use the package exif from universe, then run this command to get the orientation of each picture: exif  *.jpg -t 0xa406 | grep Value | sed -e "s/  Value: \(.*\)/\1/"06:45
pridkettThat will return Portrait or Standard for each one06:46
Matt|perhaps something easier06:46
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RubenVhorribly complex :D06:46
Matt|RubenV, you are up2date?06:47
kristjanpridkett: nice 106:47
RubenVMatt|: about 8hours old06:47
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Matt|what the hell is wrong with my gthumb06:48
Rodhi, my network aint working in ubuntu. What data do you need to analyse?06:48
Rodit aint on the forum or faqs06:48
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Matt|Rod, ifconfig -a06:48
Rodeh i did ifconfig... not sure what came out if it though :)06:49
Rodlsmod showed all drivers loaded, included the forcedeth which this netword card uses06:49
bob2that's not the greatest debugging tool06:49
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bob2ouchy, forcedeth06:49
Rodifconfig shows 2 network devices.. one at eth0, one sth (or so)006:49
Rodi prefer ubuntu / debian so much above others... but gentoo and fc3 detects it flawlessly and it works alright :-/ (unfortunately :p)06:50
bob2did you try noacpi and apic=off?06:50
Rodill do an ifconfig with the live cd.. .any other commands you  need?06:50
bob2nvidia chipsets seem to be buggy wrt that a lot.06:50
Rodnope, didnt try it yet.. ill write that one down too06:50
Rodyeah, its a asus k8n nforce306:50
Rodsomething else i need to try out?06:51
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Rodwish me luch then :)06:52
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Matt|jdub, you around?06:58
pridkettMatt|: this script is rapidly becoming more complex than I thought it should be.  Apparently there are lots of issues with rotating photos and making sure the exif tags get done correctly06:58
Matt|pridkett, *laughs*06:58
Matt|pridkett, i just had a look in the man and couldn't understand anything06:58
Matt|but if I open gthumb with a file it appears to work so I'll try that06:58
siretartwhom do I need to kiss his feet for thanking for updating multisync now supporting evolution2?06:59
Matt|pridkett, can gthumb do batch processing of photos? doesn't seem to be able to when I select more than one photo in the folder view07:01
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pridkettMatt|: Not sure.  I've got a script for you that works for most photos though07:06
ironwolfsiretart: when in doubt, kiss daniels feet. :)07:06
Matt|pridkett, ooh thats nice of you07:06
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Matt|ironwolf, yeah that's the general rule07:06
siretartdaniels: many many kudos for updating multisync! :)07:07
danielssiretart: er, I did?07:07
Matt|pridkett, gulliver666@yahoo.it07:07
Matt|pridkett, better email it: i haven't set up dcc here07:08
pridkettMatt|: it's off07:09
pridkettlemme know if it can't handle some photos07:09
Matt|pridkett, i've already started rotating some of them - is that gonna be a problem>07:09
siretartdaniels: nope, ironwolf claimed that. kudos to Michael Bank!07:09
mp_Kamion: hmm.., so no Ubuntu for me, unless I want to downgrade to use UDMA 66 then... a shame..07:10
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birmesiretart: multisync including the evo2 plugin?07:10
danielssiretart: thanks for the compliment, however :)07:10
pridkettMatt|: it looks at the orientation and image size.  If it is supposed to be rotated and looks like it already has (width < height) then it skips the file.07:11
siretartbirme: yepp!07:11
birmeok, then it is a cvs snapshot I guess07:11
pridketttry it on a scratch directory first07:11
siretartbirme: yepp!07:11
Matt|pridkett, ok i'll backup and then try07:11
Matt|thanks a million07:11
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siretartbirme: snapshot from 2004112507:11
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birmesiretart: good... then I think you've got the latest fixes too07:12
Matt|pridkett, just exim i need right?07:12
pridkettMatt|: exif and image magic07:13
pridkettnot exim, exif07:13
siretartbirme: I just tested it with irda and my siemens s55. works for me [tm]  :)07:14
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birmesiretart: ok, I'm using bluetooth and a t68i07:15
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birmesiretart: still it has problems by creating duplicate phone-book entries in the phone07:17
Matt|pridkett, problem. Is it going to work on filenames with space in them?07:17
pridketthmmm...I dunno07:17
pridkettlemme fix07:17
siretartbirme: -v please, what do you mean with that?07:17
sparehead1ok I'm tryin to get acroread to work, would /usr/bin/Acrobat5/bin count as the install directory?07:18
socommAnyone got some tips on getting the i810 video driver working?07:18
birmesiretart: I mean that if you've modified a contact in evo2 and then sync, it could add a duplicate entry of that contact in the phone07:18
Matt|socomm, what is wrong with it?07:18
housetiersparehead1 HOW are you trying to get it to work?07:19
socommMatt|: Xorg only starts up to a black screen, and doesn't allow any sort of interaction after that.07:19
siretartsparehead1: why not installing the prepackaged acroread from marillat?07:19
MobyTurbosparehead1, if you're installing it outside of the packaging system, use /usr/local as the stem name then make symlinks of the executable to /usr/local/bin07:19
siretartbirme: ah, but it wont damage my contacts in the phone. ok07:20
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JDahlsocomm, at my work (testint/debian) machine I couldnt get it working also (I blame the cheap integrated Video card), but I can use Vesa... try that07:20
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birmesiretart: I suggest backup the contacts first though07:20
skeffwhy is there no mplayer package in repository?07:20
birmeto be on the safe side07:20
socommJDahl: what's the error you get?07:20
siretartbirme: ok07:20
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MobyTurboskeff, legal problems. It's GPL but uses binary plugins.07:20
Matt|zopi, you are sure you're not looking for linux-headers?07:20
lamontzopi: linux-headers should have what you're after07:20
JDahlsocomm, I dont remember anymore... sorry07:21
sparehead1i was reading the unoffial ubuntu guide and followed that i did a..07:21
Matt|zopi, linux-headers doesn't have to match your kernel number - they are backwards compatible07:21
JDahlsocomm, I was with Vesa07:21
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socommJDahl: I got it semi usable after upgrading the BIOS.07:22
zopiMatt| = I wiill try thanks ;-)07:22
sparehead1apt-get install acroread and a acroread-plugin07:22
pridkettMatt|: the simple answer is no, it won't work with filenames with spaces07:22
Matt|pridkett, it's gonna be a bitch to rename them all ;)07:22
pridkettMatt|: Sorry, that requires some hacker that I don't have time to do07:22
Matt|pridkett, i will think of something :)07:22
socommJDahl: I'm testing out the vesa driver now.07:23
MobyTurbosparehead1, well, since that is *within* the packaging system disregard my /usr/local advice. It should have put acroread somewhere in your path.07:23
Matt|anyone know how to bulk rename?07:23
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skeffYou're telling me that the "Best media player" for linux, as awarded by Linux New Media AG, is not availiable in Ubuntu?  The open source principle handling is flawed, Flawed I tell yas! :D07:23
zopirescue mode on CD ?07:23
pridkettfor x in *; do y=`echo $x | sed -e "s/ /_/g"`; mv $x $y; done07:23
zopiMPlayer :)07:23
pridkettthat's for Matt|07:23
zopigood or not ?07:23
JDahlsocomm, do you have a Dell machine? mine is an optiplex... around the time when I installed testing (this spring) alot of people had problems with the Dell Optiplex w/ cheapo integrated graphics... I even had do downgrade the BIOS two releases to get the card working07:23
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Matt|skeff, which?07:24
skeffMatt|, MPlayer07:24
pridkettMatt|: err...hold off07:24
Matt|skeff, search the wiki for RestrictedFormats07:24
Matt|pridkett, np i wouldn't know where to put it anyhow ;p07:24
pridkettfor x in *; do y=`echo $x | sed -e "s/ /_/g"`; mv "$x" "$y"; done07:24
pridkettthat's the right script07:24
Matt|skeff, you'll find out how to get mplayer07:24
pridkettthat takes all the files in a directory and replaces the " " with "_"07:24
pridkettanywya, I should get back to work07:25
Matt|pridkett, omg i've gotta write that down07:25
socommJDahl: The A08 BIOS is rumored to work, that's what I"m using now. My machine is a Dell Inspiron 2600.07:25
Matt|pridkett, you're a genius07:25
skeffMatt|, I thought the Universe repository was supposed to hold non-GPL software... well if Not, what about creating a repository for non-GPL software, which probably constitues an insane amount of excellent software?07:25
Matt|skeff, not my call :)07:25
skeffMatt|, But you agree?07:25
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sparehead1so i had a look in /usr/bin/acroread cause it was giving errors about it couldn't find /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread when I looked it was acroread.sh so I added the .sh to usr/bin/acroread and now it says cannot find install directory07:25
Matt|skeff, i'm happy with it as it is07:25
MobyTurboskeff, multiverse carrys legal but non-open-source. universe carries open-source only.07:25
wood1Hello to everybody07:26
socommJDahl: Anhow the vesa driver doesn't seem to be working, it only goes into a multicolored mess that doesn't work at all.07:26
skeffMobyTurbo, multiverse..?07:26
MobyTurboskeff, since mplayer as constructed breaks the law, ubuntu chose, like Debian, not to include it even in multiverse.07:26
MobyTurboskeff, multiverse = Debian non-free07:26
sparehead1when I look in acroread.sh it says "install_dir=REPLACE_ME" so I thought i'd replace it i just dont know what with :/07:26
wood1I have a problem during my Ubuntu boot process, it stops with some weird Stack ... Trace call messages07:27
JDahlsocomm, try changing the amount of allocated shared memory in the bios... I had to do that07:27
zopiMPlayer Debian : http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html07:27
wood1I have to restart my Ubuntu PC at least 2-3 times before it finally boots normally07:27
socommJDahl: Video RAM?07:28
sparehead1siretart: whats the marillat one?07:28
jiyuu0sparehead1, how did u install acroread?07:28
MobyTurbodeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse07:28
MobyTurbois multiverse07:28
sparehead1sudo apt-get install acroread07:28
wood1By the way, I can't browse my Windows Workgroup anymore07:28
wood1It was working fine till yesterday07:29
MobyTurbodeb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main07:29
MobyTurbois marillat07:29
JDahlsocomm, yes... it's probably set to 1M, but I could set it as high as 8M and that did it for me... The early BIOS releases had bug related to this issue, maybe that's what giving you trouble as well07:29
MobyTurbobut keep in mind this is not only an unofficial repository it is meant for Debian.07:29
socommJDahl: Yeah read about that, but I don't see that option in my BIOS.07:30
sparehead1yeah, I'm trying not to cross the streams07:30
sparehead1any idea's as what would count as the install dir?07:30
MobyTurbosparehead1, well, add multiverse and you can install a lot of non-free stuff without leaving ubuntu repos.07:31
wood1So what could be the problem which does not let me browse my Windows Workgroup Network anymore ?07:31
JDahlsocomm, then I'm out of ideas...07:31
sparehead1got that in, had to have it to grab acroread I think07:31
Vince-0ANY1 got their ATI 9xxx card to run on debian (accelerated) ?07:32
socommJDahl: Thanks anyhow :^)07:32
sparehead1I think I'll try some random dir's and if i get it to work I can file a useful bug report! WOHOO!07:32
danielsVince-0: depends whether you mean 9000->9250, or 9550->980007:32
MobyTurboVince-0, this isn't #debian. If you're running ubuntu the drivers are available in the restricted repository.07:32
Vince-0MobyTurbo , I got an 9600 XT I am having a hell of a time getting to install drivers07:33
JDahlVince-0, On my laptop I have a mobile 9000 - and that's accelerated by default in XFree86. I also tried ATI's drivers, and they weren't faster07:33
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Vince-0Well my 9600 drivers on ubuntu I think are just generic, nothings accelerated, not even the scrnsavers07:34
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JDahlVince-0, maybe you have to change driver to "radeon", but that should be it07:34
rip024hello everyone07:34
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Vince-0JDahl : I tried, scrnsavers still jolt some07:35
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JDahlVince-0, what's your glxgears score?07:35
Vince-0JDahl : I dunno , not good with these drivers I think07:35
jiyuu0sparehead1, i think ur acroread is from a diff repository... i can't seem to find acroread.sh here07:36
JDahlVince-0, could you possible try?07:36
calamari_has any GUI burning program surpassed xcdroast for features, etc?07:36
Vince-0JDahl : I will nownow , I am in the wrong OS07:36
wood1Doesn't anybody know a fix to Networking in Samba for Ubuntu ?07:36
MobyTurbocalamari_, k3b, but you need to install KDE in order to use it.07:36
rip024I installed ubuntu thursday I'm having trouble understanding commands.  I've download some programs and can't get anything to work any help07:36
calamari_MobyTurbo: don't want to do that.. not a big kde fan :)07:36
JDahlMobyTurbo, you only kdelibs to run k3b, and apt-get will take care of it07:37
calamari_I suppose I could install the kde libs tho, right?07:37
jiyuu0rip024, what program?07:37
MobyTurboJDahl, of course apt-get takes care of it. :-)07:37
calamari_JDahl: hehe thanks :)07:37
jiyuu0i386 is not program... it's architecture07:38
wood1Does someone here know about Samba networking ?07:38
jiyuu0wood1, samba networking in what?07:38
rip024ubuntu new one 4.1007:38
jiyuu0wood1, samba networking in what?07:39
JDahlMobyTurbo, I didnt mean to be patronizing.. ;) I just meant that you dont much to get k3b running under gnome07:39
jiyuu0rip024, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html07:39
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sparehead1hmm I've got archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty uni and multiverse and restricted. And security.ubuntu. Thats it07:39
wood1Well I can't browse from Ubuntu a Windows Workgroup anymore07:39
rip024I'll check it out07:39
jiyuu0wood1, sometimes i get that too... quite annoying07:39
wood1jiyuu0, it was working fine till yesterday07:39
MobyTurboJDahl, OK. :-)07:39
jiyuu0try direct smb://pc/folder07:39
sparehead1I only installed all of this today so maybe some changes have been made since you installed? I dunno, I'm clutching at straws here07:40
wood1Ok I will try that07:40
jiyuu0no prob07:40
speelhey i need a lil help i installed enemy territory and the patch and when i went to load up the game x closed and came back up with a login screen any ideas?07:40
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wood1jiyuu0, well I get the same problem07:42
wood1I guess that I have to manually edit the samba.conf file07:43
speelany ideas ;[07:43
wood1But I really have to invest a lot of my time just to understand it07:43
wood1What I really don't understand is that it was suppose to be done automatically07:43
jiyuu0try by ip07:44
gsonspeel ive got the same problem, but with quake3, x doesnt like when you do vid_REstart or change displayrefresh :), try to write enemyterritory -w07:44
wood1In fact, I am using 2 PCs with Ubuntu Lnux07:44
wood1The PC with Warty works fine but the PC with Hoary does not07:44
gsonwindow mode first then do fullscreen, need help with it also. its kinda fucked up:/07:44
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wood1I have tried that too with much luck, jiyuu007:45
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jiyuu0can ping ip?07:45
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wood1Yes I can ping the IP07:46
Quest-MasterUbuntu can use .deb files, correct?07:46
jiyuu0Quest-Master, ya07:46
KamionQuest-Master: Ubuntu is made up of .deb files07:46
MobyTurboQuest-Master, yes, but you usually install them from apt repositories rather than directly.07:46
Quest-Master*I'm looking to move to Ubuntu because of it's support for Gnome.07:47
jiyuu0wood1, have u try restart?07:47
Quest-MasterCurrently on Suse, whose support for Gnome isn't good at all07:47
jiyuu0wood1, what have u done to ur smb.conf?07:47
gsonjiyuu0 which mplayer should i use? the one in synaptic?07:47
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jiyuu0wood1, u can try create another user account and try see can browse... might be ur gnome prob (guesing)07:48
jiyuu0gson, u using p4?07:48
wood1Well I will give it a try07:48
jiyuu0the mplayer ther not gui base07:48
jiyuu0and got problem with machines not p407:48
jiyuu0go for xine-ui07:48
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jiyuu0i use mplayer for streaming video in browser07:49
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socommjiyuu0: mplayer-plugin?07:50
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jiyuu0socomm, visit here for more info http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html07:50
calamari_are there any GUI shell programs that can have a changeable font and also the ability to go actual full screen (non-simulated), similar to Windows Alt-Enter?07:51
jiyuu0calamari_, what do u mean gui shell?07:51
jiyuu0calamari_, this? Ctrl + F107:51
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calamari_jiyuu0: I'm not running ubuntu yet, just prepping :)07:52
jiyuu0calamari_ sori Ctrl + Alt + F107:52
skeffhelp! I don't get no sound from the mplayerplug-in in firefox, I've tried both with and without ESD07:52
calamari_jiyuu0: I know there are the regular consoles, no prob07:52
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MobyTurbocalamari_, gnome terminal can change fonts. No full-screen though, for that you have to enter a console.07:53
calamari_jiyuu0: what I'm looking for is something like xterm, but where I can change the font and also be able to make it go full screen like a regualr console07:53
calamari_MobyTurbo: okay thanks07:53
MobyTurbocalamari_, you can even change fonts in xterm, but unlike gnome terminal you need to put it on a command line rather than a menu.07:53
treeSnakethe info on how to create a mirror doesn't quite work for me. might i be missing something?07:53
gwaki upgrade to 'hoary' today -- it went 'ok' except it did not upgrade 'gdm' (held back). So when i restarted gdm i had multiple xsessions starting -- once i upgraded gdm everthing was fine -- should i report this as a bug ?07:54
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MobyTurbogwak, did you dist-upgrade?07:55
gwakMobyTurbo: yes07:55
kristjanhi, anybody successful with tv out issues on ati mobility radeon 9600? (Thinkpad T42 + Ubuntu)07:56
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MobyTurbogwak, if you dist-upgraded and it happened then it is a bug.07:56
gwakapt/dpk had marked gdm as 'held back' for as i noticed07:56
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treeSnakersync complains "No such file or directory"07:56
nuOpushey whats up?07:56
gwakMobyTurbo, will do filling out a bug report now07:56
MobyTurbogwak, usually but not always "held back" occurs when you upgrade but not if you dist-upgrade.07:56
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NVhi, i seem to be having a problem with firefox 1.0.  i just upgraded using the built-in upgrade feature in firefox and now the back/forward buttons dont work and my homepage cant be changed from the firefox page. can anyone help (sorry, if this is an easy fix, but i'm new to linux)?07:57
MobyTurbogwak, make sure to mention at what date you tried dist-upgrading to hoary; since it's a development branch that matters.07:57
gwakMobyTurbo:yea your right -- i did it from Synaptic -- not from apt-get -- stupid me07:57
sparehead1can someone tell me what there acroread.sh has in as its install dir?07:58
wood1Does anybody here notice the difference in image quality between XFree86 and Xorg ?07:58
sparehead1none of my guess's worked :(07:58
MobyTurbogwak, then it's not a bug - changing distros means you have to dist-upgrade. (synaptic can do that in it's "auto" mode.)07:58
Quest-MasterWhich one I am I supposed to download from here?07:58
KamionNV: really shouldn't use the built-in upgrade feature; we disabled that I thought07:58
Quest-MasterFound it07:59
NVah crap07:59
KamionQuest-Master: warty/warty-release-install-<your-architecture>.iso07:59
NVany way for me to fix this?07:59
gwakMobyTurbo: yea i just hit the 'smart-upgrade' button -- is that considered 'auto'07:59
KamionNV: I'd 'apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox' to get back to a sane state07:59
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kristjanwood1: no, but I've noticed the fonts are nicer in xfree..07:59
MobyTurbogwak, sorry, smart-upgrade I think is = dist-upgrade.08:00
KamionNV: firefox 1.0 is in hoary, but not in warty; look around, I think somebody has done proper 1.0 packages for warty08:00
NVkamion: do i just do that from sudo root? sorry...new to linux and am figureing my way around08:00
NVah ok08:00
Kamionsudo apt-get ..., yeah08:00
Kamionsorry, I should be more explicit08:00
jiyuu0NV, new to linux and already trying to upgrade ur firefox ;P08:00
NVhaha yeah.08:00
gwakMoby: i will file a bug report and repeat the steps i did -- along with the date (today)08:00
Kamionsynaptic may have a reinstall option too, but I'm not so familiar with it08:01
treeSnakeis there some other docs on how to use rsync to create a mirror other than the howto I already found (and that didn't work)?08:01
NVi actually changed my desktop to xfce4 as per instructions on the wiki since this is an old laptop08:01
KamionNV: basically once you've installed something with one packaging system it's not a good idea to install it with another packaging system without removing it from the first beforehand; the result of doing that is usually that you confuse both systems08:01
NVah ok08:02
jiyuu0NV, if u really want 1.0 have u try download direct from mozilla?08:02
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gsonhehe jiyuu0 cant use gxine when i want to see anime:) for that i need to use mplayer right.?08:02
darkswordhi there08:03
KamionNV: (if you do that, just make sure to install it in a different place than the firefox that comes with Ubuntu)08:03
NVnope, havent. i just used the updater built in to firefox since i thought it would be easier08:03
treeSnakei'm trying to set up an ubuntu mirror for the local community and i'm failing miserably. is there at least one in here that can show some mercy?08:03
jiyuu0gson, xine-ui can watch provided with w32codecs08:03
KamionNV: easier: have a look at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/08:03
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gwakone other thing w/ the upgrade the mail noticication applet disappeared08:04
KamionNV: with the /etc/apt/sources.list fragments at the bottom, you should just be able to upgrade the mozilla-firefox package with synaptic08:04
gsonk jiyuu0 ill see if i can get w32codec then:D08:04
darkswordi have a probleme to use dvd on my laptop. When i insert a dvd, i say "impossible to mount media..."08:04
jiyuu0gson, ya it's there08:04
gsontnx for the help again..08:04
darkswordwhat can i do ?08:04
jiyuu0gson, no prob08:04
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NVah ok, thanks!08:05
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treeSnakewell, i tried. nothing else to do in here.08:05
socommdarksword: Get a new LapTop :^P08:05
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jiyuu0darksword, all dvd?08:05
jladageHi all,08:05
treeSnaketake care.08:06
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jladageHappy as a child with my new powerbook08:06
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NVthanks a lot for the help!08:06
darkswordi've tested -R/ +R and multisession/ only one session08:06
NVtime to see if i can fix this08:06
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jladagebut how do I make it dual boot with ubuntu08:06
jiyuu0darksword, when u insert the dvd... does it auto mount? icon appear on desktop?08:07
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jladageCan anyone point me to a good how-to on installing ubuntu with dual boot on a powerbook?08:08
darkswordand i can't mount myself either08:08
socommdarksword: ummm have you tried more than one DVD?08:08
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socommdarksword: did you mount with sudo?08:08
jiyuu0darksword, how about cd?08:08
darkswordright click on media and mount08:08
socommdarksword: to mount *anything* you need super user privileges.08:09
darkswordive tried 2 -R 1 +R multissesion and after 1 -R only one session08:09
socommdarksword: you need to mount as sudo.08:09
gsongah i hate xine! probs with fullscreen all the time08:09
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darkswordroot@darksword:/home/darksword # mount /media/cdrom08:11
darkswordmount: Aucun medium trouv08:11
darkswordcurently it's a BulkPaq +R dvd one session burn with deepBurner on win2k08:12
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socommdarksword: does it mount at all?08:13
darkswordsocomm ?08:13
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socommdarksword: is that error in english?08:14
darkswordhum in english : no media found08:14
socommdarksword: try another disk, maybe a store bought movie.08:14
socommdarksword: shouldn't be /media/dvd or something08:15
darkswordi don't know08:15
jiyuu0darksword, how drives do u have?08:15
darkswordonly one08:15
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pallehi i need some help08:15
jiyuu0ls -l /media/cdrom08:15
socommdarksword: `cd /media && ls'08:15
pallewith my ubuntu linux08:15
socommdarksword: check what entries are there.08:16
socommpalle: just ask your questions08:16
pallei wan't all my windowsdrives mounted automatically when i start ubuntu linux, how do i do?08:16
darkswordroot@darksword:/media # ls -l /media/cdrom08:16
darkswordlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            6 2004-11-20 16:08 /media/ cdrom -> cdrom008:16
jiyuu0palle, look for windows section at http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html08:17
palleokay, thnx08:17
socommdarksword: did you run myy command?08:17
darkswordsocomm, root@darksword:/media/cdrom0 # cd /media && ls08:17
darkswordcdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy008:17
jiyuu0darksword, try put in a normal cd then mount08:18
socommdarksword: try mounting on cdrom008:18
darkswordfor a cd it's ok08:18
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calamari-is there a list somewhere of the software available on the install cd?08:19
Kamion.list files next to the .iso have the filenames08:20
Kamionuh, who's running the rabidbt bot please?08:20
calamari-Kamion: sorry, should have specified that I don't yet have the cd08:20
Kamion19:20 [Freenode]  -rabidbt(~rabidbt@ Kamion: Error: No such plugin 'filesnexttothe.isohavethefilenames' exists.08:21
jiyuu0calamari-, go distrowatch08:21
Kamioncalamari-: I meant on the download sites08:21
KamionI should try to get some more human-readable list up from germinate output at some point08:21
CredHello. How can I get GD lib supported on Apache2?08:22
socommcalamari-: on the FTP sever, should be in the same directory as the ISO image.08:22
CredCan't find the module..08:22
calamari-thanks everyone :)08:22
calamari-you guys are all very helpful, and I really appreciate it08:22
darkswordjiyuu0, with a cd : root@darksword:/media # mount /cdrom     ---> cd is mounted and i can read content08:22
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jiyuu0darksword, u r trying to read a burnt dvd right?08:23
jiyuu0could it be media prob?08:24
jiyuu0i encounter burnt cd probs b408:24
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jladageany mac users in here?08:24
jiyuu0but weird thing is on windows seems fine08:24
jiyuu0same machine08:24
Mabusis there a package-queue or "these packages will soon be upgraded" list somewhere ?08:24
Mabus(I'm thinking specifically about thunderbird 0.9)08:24
s0cksJiyuu0 : Get the CD request systems cds. Never read you entire enquiry, but hey...08:24
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jiyuu0what is CD request systems cds?08:25
darkswordhum i 'll try with star wars dvd :)08:25
jiyuu0darksword, episode 3?08:25
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darkswordroot@darksword:/media # mount /cdrom08:27
darkswordmount: Aucun medium trouv08:27
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maskieMabus, if you use Warty no packages will be upgraded except for security reasons08:27
KamionMabus: no, just bugzilla for packages that need merge work done08:27
darkswordouned by choubaka08:27
treeSnakegot things to work. it should be ready for use tomorrow.08:27
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jiyuu0darksword, may the force be wif u08:28
treeSnakeis there a channel for ubuntu-se?08:28
kentIs there a public schedule for Hoary somewhere? Like, package-freeze, etc. Kind of like the one Fedora have?08:28
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jiyuu0just to make sure... choubaka u sure ur player dvd???08:29
kenttreeSnake, ubuntu-se as in a swedish channel?08:29
jladagejoin #ubuntu-mac08:29
jladagenope sorry08:30
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darkswordon http://tuxmobil.org/asus_l3800c_e.html i see it have to be ok08:30
treeSnakekent: jupp.08:31
treeSnakeis this kent from the north?08:32
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jiyuu0darksword, have u tried on the same machine running windows and able to read the DVD?08:33
gsonjiyuu0 hm still have probs with w32codec:/08:33
jiyuu0gson, what prob?08:33
gsonworks with 1 episode08:33
gsongtkxine: video driver w32codec failed. <-08:33
dark`eat`choubakhum i'm only on ubuntu08:33
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dark`eat`choubakbe back in a few min08:34
gsonthe new naruto episodes doesnt work:(08:34
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jiyuu0gson, have u apt-get it?08:35
jiyuu0what format u playing?08:35
skeffIt seems all apps compiled for GTK+ 1.x or something looks like shit, I guess because of lack of themes or something for GTK 1.. how to fix this?08:35
jiyuu0gson, which episode?08:35
kenttreeSnake, what do you meen with Kent from the north?  But yes, im from sweden :)08:35
jiyuu0wah... i haven download 11108:35
gsonhehe its one big episode, 2 in 1:)08:36
gson[DB] _Naruto_110-111_[1D18E613] .avi08:36
jiyuu0have u try playing it with mplayer?08:36
treeSnakekent: i was sort of hoping that it was a kent i know from the very north of sweden, that's all.08:36
jiyuu0sometimes xine not work but mplayer does08:41
gsongxine -V w32codec08:41
kenttreeSnake, I live in Malmo, so its not the north of sweden.08:41
gsonwell, my synaptic can just find 2 different mplayers, but i think that its the wrong one:)08:41
jiyuu0gson, i'm not using gxine... but xine-ui08:41
gsonworks fine ?08:41
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jiyuu0gson, the custom version08:41
incandescanthi, i have found my way here from ubuntulinux.com08:41
gsonoki doki, i installing now08:41
incandescantcan anyone help me with a dbus/hal/gvm problem please?08:41
gson0.99-1-1 ?08:41
treeSnakekent: not really, no. i'm at least a thousand kms north of you.08:41
gson0.99.1-1 ?:)08:41
gsonthat one jiyuu0 ? xine-ui 0.99.1-108:41
gsonnice nice08:41
jiyuu0if u p4 install also mplayer-custom08:41
jiyuu0just in case both xine cannot work then go command with mplayer08:41
jiyuu0too bad the package in the repository not working properly08:41
gsonhave you seeen bleach 8 ?08:41
gsonso nice :)08:41
jiyuu0nowadays hardly got time to watch things08:41
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gsonoh that sux08:41
jiyuu0now it's like 3:41am and i am stil here08:41
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gson20.00 here in swe08:41
jiyuu0malaysia here08:42
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jiyuu0ok... i think i better go bed...else tomolo zombie08:42
gsonnite nite08:42
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incandescantanyone wanna help a newb get to grips with proj utopia please?08:44
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WebMavenAny Python users here?08:44
WebMavenI'm doing some experimentation and am having a few dependecy problems.08:45
JDahlWebMaven, I use python08:46
WebMavenspecifically, wax (a pythonic wrapper around wxPython) is saying that 'This version of Wax requires wxPython', but that *is* the version installed.08:47
JDahlWebMaven, I dont know about that08:47
WebMavenGo to http://zephyrfalcon.org/download/08:48
WebMavenget wax-0.2.39.zip08:48
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JDahlyes sir!08:48
Cody_Hello everyone08:48
MabusKamion: thanks08:48
WebMavenextract the wax folder to your desktop08:49
Cody_I use fedora core but heard about this ubuntu linux... is it essentially just a slim and easier debian?08:49
WebMaventhen oipen a root terminal and mv Desktop/wax /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages08:49
JDahlWebMaven, I am working... and I dont have a particular interest in wxPython. Sorry I cant help you08:50
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WebMavenJDahl, OK. Thanks anyway.08:50
WebMavenJDahl, what do you use Python for?08:51
JDahlWebMaven, numerical optimization08:52
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WebMavenAnyone here use wxPython at all?08:56
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palle_how do i change to root access i wan't to be able to write to /usr/local09:00
gaucklersudo -s09:00
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palleokay, but i wan't to have root rights while in the xwindow so i don't have to use the terminal so much09:02
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palleis that possible?09:03
gaucklerwell. you could start x as root, but you shouldn't. why to have a shell and work from there as root?09:03
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Mabusa sudo executed in the X session will "hold" a couple of minutes, iirc09:04
gauckleractually even this ppl say you shouldn't do. you should log in as user and for command requiring root priviledges, you shoud type "sudo command"09:04
alexanderwhat is ubuntu based on?09:04
jiyuu0palle, http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#allowrootlogingnome09:04
alexanderi just got a package from switzerland containing 10 cds09:04
alexanderhow is this being paid for?09:04
Mabusyou are - you have to do community service if you ever visit switzerland or southern africa.09:05
pallewhy should i use sudo so much then? that is so annoying, i want to use the file explorer to copy files that's so much faster then writing all the time...09:05
Mabuspalle: use another OS.09:05
pallei guess i could use mandrake09:05
jiyuu0palle, u can set root on09:06
ograpalle: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo09:06
alexanderjust do sudo su09:06
ograhi all09:06
gauckleralexander/mabus: whats the relation of ubuntu and switzerland?09:06
fabbionealexander: did you order these CDs?09:06
alexanderfabbione: yes i did09:06
Mabusgauckler: nothing :) the CDs are shipped from switzerland.09:06
palleokay, thnx09:06
fabbionealexander: that's it.. you don't have to pay09:06
pepsi_i never got my CDs09:06
pepsi_wtf is up with that09:06
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ograMabus: mine were from belgium :)09:06
Mabusgauckler: nothing afaik, though - some developers could be based there, I have no clue.09:06
alexanderi ordered them more than a month ago and i jsut got them09:07
fabbionepepsi_: read the FAQ09:07
alexanderi think a company does it09:07
fabbionealexander: yes.. it takes sometime09:07
alexandernot individual developers by the look of it09:07
alexanderbut i was happily surprised09:07
fabbionealexander: yes.. there is a company09:07
Mabusalexander: that's not what I said.09:07
imaekI am trying to help a friend set up Ubuntu with Dialup, and there is no modem.09:07
fabbioneMabus: stop trolling09:07
pepsi_the topic says CDs ordered before Nov 12th have been shipped09:07
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Mabusfabbione: sorry09:07
alexanderyeah i know I don't have to pay. I just wondered who actually puts down the dough. this seems pretty expensive09:08
fabbionepepsi_: if you live in the north pole, it does not take 2 days to get them09:08
fabbionealexander: Canonical did09:08
tosthey guys, i have a problem with ubuntu09:08
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imaekAnyone know anything about modem configuration?09:08
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gaucklerimaek: no, please tell me if you find out09:08
alexanderfabbione: ah ok. i see the "trademark canonical" thing on the box09:08
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fabbionepepsi_: mine were shipped the 8th of Nov.. but i live in the middle of nowhere... i know i will get them 2 days after hoary is out :-)09:09
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fabbionejust be patience09:09
tosti cant startx as user, it always says i havent the rights to do that09:09
tosthow can i change this ?09:09
KamionMabus: I don't believe any Canonical staff are based in Switzerland; probably just some delivery company09:09
ograimaek: either sudo pppconfig in a terminal or the network tool from the computer menu09:09
ogratost: did you install k3b before ?09:10
gaucklerogra: I'm missing the network tool. do you know the name of the package?09:10
tostk3b ?09:10
wood1How do I export or edit my "sudoers" file using Emacs instead of visudo ?09:10
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tostk3b is a cd writing programm (www.k3b.org)09:10
ogratost: a kde burning app that changes the rights of a certain file ..... you cant login on x anymore then09:11
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plogginneed some help09:11
plogginlets see...09:11
pepsi_it said it shipped my cds09:11
pepsi_so i guess i just wait09:11
fabbionepepsi_: correct09:11
Kamionwood1: EDITOR=emacs visudo09:11
ogragauckler: its in the computer menu, it belongs to the ubuntu default setup09:11
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Kamionwood1: I'm sure I gave you this answer the other day09:11
pepsi_but then im gunna want to order hoary cds09:11
plogginin GRUB i have 3 different 'versions' i can run, i have a kernel for 386, for 686 and for 686-smp09:12
tostogra, no i installed ubuntu, and then gdm and x doesnt start, so i edit the files but then i havent the right to startx... and ~/.Xauthority is empty09:12
Kamionpepsi_: you won't be able to order those for quite some time09:12
alexanderhow long does livecd usually take to boot?09:12
ploggini want to remove two of them09:12
plogginwhat shall i do?09:12
fabbionealexander: it depends from your machine09:12
wood1Yes you did, I am sorry that I forgot it, Kamion09:12
fabbionealexander: here 3/4 minutes (old box)09:12
gaucklerogra: I read about it in the wiki, but I cannot find it unter "Computer"->"Systemconfiguration"09:12
alexandermine is taking quite a while for a pentium 409:12
ogratost: why did you install gdm later ? it should be there by default09:12
fabbionealexander: there should be a progress bar09:13
alexanderyeah i know09:13
plogginany ideas?09:13
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alexanderits done almost09:13
tostyeah i told it, i installed ubuntu, and started it, but then it doesnt start x and gdm , because of problems09:13
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alexandermaybe there is something wrong w/ my cdrom drive09:13
alexanderit doesn't sound very pretty09:14
tostso edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and after this i hadnt the rights to startx as user09:14
ograploggin: just uninstall them, the package manager cares for the grub entrys then09:14
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tostit told me , that there is a mistake in ~/.Xauthority ... how can i edit this file ?09:15
wood1You don't have to edit .Xauthority09:15
wood1Just change it owner and group to your Username09:15
tostwood1, what ?09:15
plogginogra: i tried with apt-get remove packages i didn't want09:15
plogginthey dissappeared09:16
plogginbut i can still run those options09:16
kentdo some one know about a script for nautilus that handles mounting of .iso's as lookback? it would be nice if i could install that for in my brothers computer, so that i wount have to ask him go to the terminal..09:16
tostchown -R user /home ?09:16
gaucklerogra: I read about it in the wiki, but I cannot find it unter "Computer"->"Systemconfiguration"09:16
ogratost: sudo chown $USER.$USER ~/.Xauthority09:16
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wood1tost, chown user .Xauthority09:16
SuperQanyone know anything about bluetooth stuff?09:16
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tostwhich one ?09:16
wood1then chgrp user .Xauthority09:16
darkswordthx for help jiyuu009:17
darkswordi've to shoot myself with a monkey :)09:17
ograploggin: use synaptic and search the linux-image packages.... they should get removed automatically in grubs menu.lst09:17
wood1for your Username that you created when you install the Ubuntu distro09:17
tostwood1, at first chown user .Xauthority and then chgrp user .Xauthority ?09:17
imaekAnyone know anything about configuring modems?09:17
wood1Yes tost, that's it09:17
ogragauckler: what do you have in this menu ? are you using warty ?09:17
tostah thx09:18
alexanderooh this is very nice09:18
alexandergreat work09:18
plogginogra: ok, found them :D09:18
ograploggin: good :)09:18
fabbionealexander: thanks09:18
plogginogra: thanks ;)09:19
gaucklerogra: yes, warty. 5 items: screen resolution, printer, logon manager, hardware manager, packet manager (translated from german)09:19
ograimaek: either sudo pppconfig in a terminal or the network tool from the computer menu09:19
imaekDoes't work.09:19
ogragauckler: thats strange...it is in the default setup..... wait....09:20
imaekNow it does. :x09:20
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plogginoh, just another thing09:20
plogginwhen ubuntu starts i get this window that shows 'nautilus is loading' etc, how can i change that window?09:21
ogragauckler: look if gnome-system-tools is installed..... did you tweak your system in any way ?09:21
plogginit's the window that appears once you enter user and pass, before everything is loaded09:22
ograploggin: the splash screen ?09:22
ograploggin: ahh, the login screen09:22
plogginhow do i change it?09:22
gaucklerogra: apt-get install gnome-system-tools -> its now being installed.09:23
ograploggin: in the gconf-editor from applications->system tools09:23
kentIm getting the error "Not a directory" when i try to mount a iso on my brothers computer. Whats wrong? I _know_ that the directory exists that i want to mount it to. I have tried more then one..  i still get the same strange message. Its a dvd-iso, does that matter? or are they treated as all other isos? like, mount -o loop..09:24
ograploggin: look in apps/gnome-session09:24
gaucklerogra: thanks a lot. I had this tool before, but I don't know how it disappeard.09:24
plogginthanks once again ogra ;)09:25
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Rene_SWoot got my Ubuntu CD in the mail. It came with a livecd and reg one very cool09:29
wood1Can anyone help me with my smb Network problem ?09:29
wood1I can't browse my Windows Workgroup Network09:29
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palleany knows a program i can play mp3's with in linux?09:30
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SuperQpalle: yes, many09:31
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SuperQpalle: under the media menu in ubuntu there is a music player09:31
pallei tried to download winamp but there was an exe-file in the package09:31
wood1xmms should do it for the MP3 thing09:31
SuperQpalle: hahahaha09:31
Rene_SRythmbox, Beep, XMMS, Amarok, pick one.09:31
wood1palle,    apt-get install xmms09:31
ograpalle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:31
wood1sudo apt-get install xmms09:32
SuperQpalle: .exe files are for windows, not ubuntu09:32
wood1that's it for the MP3 thing09:32
ograpalle: read the wiki page, there are several hints09:32
palleyeah i noticed that here is a music player but it didn't work with mp3's?09:33
ograpalle: its described on the wiki09:33
palleokay, thnx09:33
wood1Anybody who can help me with the problem in Network browsing ?09:34
ironwolfpalle: install gstreamer0.8-mad then try with music-player09:34
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gauckler.. back..09:34
wood1dablitz , what is it ????09:35
pallegstreamer0.8-mad (for MP3 decoding)09:35
pallegstreamer0.8-lame (for MP3 encoding) (in cerkinfo repository09:35
ironwolfpalle: did installing xmms work?09:35
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dablitzlast night i tried installing the synaptic touchpad from the wiki howto, and it messed up my display09:35
pallewhere are those files then?09:35
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dablitzrunning my laptop now from the ubuntu live cd09:35
gaucklerogra: this network tools doesn't work. it cannot take down the wireless interface.09:35
marcelcoleAnyone have any experience with modems on ubuntu?09:35
ograpalle: read it... the add universe09:35
rip024I like that boot disk I crashed it once now I'll try again09:36
dablitzhow can i fix this, i managed to pullup the howto to change things back, but need root permission to do it09:36
wood1Well you don't need the root permission09:36
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wood1just use the one you provided09:36
kentAre there any difference when i mount an iso ripped from a dvd and a iso ripped from a normal cd?  Or are the syntax the same to mount?09:36
dablitzso what do I do?09:36
ironwolfdablitz: sudo is your friend.09:36
marcelcoleHow do I setup my modem/dial-up connection on ubunut?09:36
palleogra: i read it but all it says is what i wrote there, nothing about where i can download the files or anything09:36
dablitzit asks for a password when I sudo09:37
wood1sudo pppconfig should do the modem trick09:37
gaucklerdablitz: your logon password09:37
ironwolfdablitz: enter your logon password09:37
wood1well just type root09:37
ograpalle: there is a link to a detailed explaination on installing packages09:37
dablitzi will try it09:37
marcelcolewood1 - That should make my modem work properly?09:37
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pere_I messed up the bottom panel. When I added a new panel, I no longer see my running/minimised programs. Any way to get that back?09:37
Quest-MasterUbuntu is awesome. :D09:38
wood1Well if it's an external modem, I am sure your modem will work 99 %09:38
Quest-MasterJust installed it.. really nice.09:38
ograpalle: in the section MP3 and Windows Media Audio09:38
Rene_Spere click on your new panel09:38
Rene_Sright click09:38
Rene_Sthen add to panel09:38
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Quest-MasterSince I have so much server space and bandwidth left, most of it is unused09:39
tvon|x31dang, cant baz be written in python or something?09:39
Quest-MasterI just wonder how much traffic there'll be09:39
Rene_SScroll down the box and look for window list09:39
gaucklertvon|x31: are you using a x31? I just bought one..09:39
pere_Rene_S:Ahh.. great. Thank you!09:39
tvon|x31gauckler: yup.  I'm mighty happy with it, thoug the x40 is bulit better09:40
Rene_Spere_, your welcome, expect my bill in the mail09:40
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gaucklertvon|x31: but also a bit more expensive.. I had a hard time getting the suspend working the last few days. now i am glad it works...09:40
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tvon|x31gauckler: honestly I've had the thing for a year and I havent spent much time trying to get suspend/sleep working.  at one point it wokred fine, lately not so much09:41
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wood1Anybody here, my problem is with samba networking09:42
Rene_Shehe, you think thats bad, I still have no idea how to make my sensors work09:42
gaucklerwood1: what's the problem?09:42
wood1Well since updating to Hoary, I have not been able to browse my Windows Workgroup Network09:43
ograwood1: hmm, hoary.....09:43
gaucklerwood1: dunno about the difference warty/hoary. but i know that you have to be careful setting the encryption mode of the passwords (encrypted vs plaintext)09:44
gaucklertvon|x31: did you get the modem working?09:44
ogragauckler: warty is the stable branch, hoary is in steady development and breaks form time to time09:44
wood1Well my other PC with Warty works without no problem, it's just the Hoary PC which does not work in Network Browsing09:44
dracit's like woody and sarge09:45
wood1There PCs of the Network are there but I can access them from the Machine with Hoary09:45
ogradrac: not at all09:45
ogradrac:  more like a released sarge and sid :)09:46
dracexcuse me for my mistake, so it ain't like woody and sarge ;)09:46
wood1Well the smb.conf file of both the Machines using Warty and Hoary are the same. I really don't know why Hoary is not working for Network browsng09:46
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gaucklerwood1: have you tried to connect without browsing?09:46
tvon|x31gauckler: spent a little time trying to get the modem up without any luck, though at one point I could use my cellphone via usb and gprs when I needed a connection09:46
dracbut sid is that kid that always want to break all the toys !!!!09:46
alka_trashwood1: I had the same thing, reboot and then it worked  :)09:46
jazzkacomes ubuntu with any tool to practice programming in perl?09:46
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ogradrac: yep09:47
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crimsunjazzka: perl is available, as are any number of editors09:47
wood1Well I have rebooted it several times09:47
crimsunjazzka: you'll find perl references online fairly helpful09:47
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gaucklertvon|x31: this would be an option for me to (ir+gprs). any hints on how to do this?09:47
tvon|x31gauckler: depends on your phone.  I found pretty specific information for my phone t68i), just google for "phonename linux"09:48
ograwood1: its linux...... no need for reboots.....execpt you change kernel stuff09:48
wood1gauckler, what exactly do you mean by trying to connect without browsing, I really don't understand the question, forgive me for that09:48
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ograwood1: try ctrl-L in nautilus, the type smb://hostname/sharename09:49
wood1Well I know, I was just replying to the other question that rebooting works for network browsing09:49
wood1Well I have done that but it still refuses to work, ogra09:49
gaucklerwood1: with smbclient you can try to connect to other machines if you know the ip and the sharename09:50
wood1even the IP address does not work09:50
ograwood1: from where to where does what work .... and what not....09:50
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wood1Well I can get to the part of the IP name09:50
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wood1I can see the PCs and their shares, it's exactly the shares that I can't access to09:51
ograwood1: you can browse the shares on the hoary box from warty ?09:51
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calamari-just curious.. what does Applications > Accessories > Text Editor point to?  Is it nano?09:51
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wood1It's gedit09:51
plogginogra: about the splash image09:51
ograwood1: and you cant browse/access the shares form hoary to warty ?09:51
calamari-wood1: thanks09:52
ograploggin: yep09:52
wood1I can't09:52
plogginshould the image i want be in a certain folder o r can i put it in home for example09:52
calamari-how about Applications > Multimedia > Music Player (hopefully xmms?)09:52
wood1It's not xmms09:52
ograwood1: but the other way works ?09:52
ogracalamari-: xmms ?09:52
plogginogra: know what i mean?09:53
marcelcolewood1 - I got through the pppconfig wizard alright (the wizard wouldn't detect my modem so I had to set it manually), and what am I supposed to do after the wizard?09:53
calamari-ogra: xmms is a nifty sound player.. I like it09:53
ploggindamn, wikipage09:53
plogginsorry i forgot09:53
wood1No ogra, the network browsing problem is not about the shares between Warty and Hoary09:53
ograploggin: /usr/share/pixmaps09:53
plogginok :D09:53
calamari-is all this info on a wiki page?  I hate to ask FAQ's09:54
wood1It's about the Windows 9x and Windows NT machines on my Workgroup Network09:54
ograwood1: ahh.... this was not clear to me09:54
wood1So any solutions ???09:54
jdubwasabi: do you have a 'Windows Networking' icon in the Network view at all?09:54
ogracalamari-: its way old....09:54
ogracalamari-: xmms i mean09:54
calamari-ogra: oic09:54
wasabijdub: hmm?09:54
wasabioh i see09:54
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wasabitab complete.09:55
ironwolfcalamari: music player != xmms09:55
calamari-ogra: what does ubuntu give me?09:55
jdubwood1: do you have a 'Windows Networking' icon in the Network view at all?09:55
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ogracalamari-: rhythmbox09:55
calamari-ironwolf: hmm, weird.. worked for me in debian to play mp3s hehe09:55
wood1I have the Windows Networking icon09:55
jdubhrm, then i'm not sure.09:55
jdubare you fully upgraded and so on?09:55
wood1I can access the Windows PCs but I can't access their shares09:55
ograwood1: what happens then, any error ?09:55
wood1Well I am fully updated09:56
calamari-ogra: thanks09:56
wood1Hoary just waits and waits forever to access the Windows shares09:56
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ogracalamari-: for mp3 playback see also this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats09:56
wood1But Warty gets access to the Windows Shares at once09:56
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calamari-ogra: I think I'll get xmms.. I like its interface since I'm so used to WinAmp09:57
ogracalamari-: then better take beep-media-player its the successor09:57
jdubwood1: remember that hoary is in development, and in particular, has gnome devel branch packages10:00
FwiffoDoes anyone know the status for UTF-8 on Xorg in Hoary at the moment?10:00
FwiffoI'm still getting alot of warnings when using a UTF-8 locale10:00
wood1Well Hoary should work for network browsing,10:01
ograwood1: why ? if someone works on the network libs it probably wont.....its hoary....10:02
jdubwood1: there's no guarantee that hoary will work for anything :-)10:02
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RuffianSoldierman, when are theses Ubuntu CDs going to arive :-(10:04
ironwolfhoary is fun, but indeed there is no guarrenty that anything will work.10:05
wood1Hoary is the latest cut-edge distribution10:05
wood1Everything which works for Warty should work for Hoary if not better10:05
Fwiffowhoops, never mind - I can see bug #3645 is pending upload, and it looks a lot like my problem :o)10:05
ironwolfwoodl: hoary is bleeding edge... sometimes we get cut. :(10:05
ograwood1: hoary is a development beast10:05
wfxogra: beep and xmms are bugy for me (sometimes the are crash and my playlist doe no longer work)10:05
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jdubwood1: hoary is the development branch. right now it's pre-alpha, pre-beta, pre-preview, pre-release, etc.10:05
ograwfx: thats why i take rhythmbox :)10:06
jdubwood1: as is gnome 2.9.10:06
wood1Well, what am I suppose to do now, my brothers and sisters, switch Hoary back to Warty ?10:06
masslooks like mdnsresponder is missing?10:06
gaucklergnome browser: can I configure it so that a click on a folder opens the folder in the same window, instead of opening a new one?10:06
jdubif you just want to use your system, and not test for the next release, yeah, warty's the way to go.10:06
jdubmass: it's there10:06
wfxogra: this one doe not play sid or mod tune10:07
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ogragauckler: use shift on doubleclick10:07
AmaranthI don't think you can downgrade.10:07
wfxi buy a "s"10:07
gaucklerogra: thx10:07
massjdub: its hiding from meee10:07
ogragauckler: or middleclick10:07
jdubmass: it's in universe10:07
wood1Well you might be right, I should just use Warty for my serious work and use Hoary as a test machine10:07
kentwhats the name of that virtual package that installs gcc and stuff?10:08
gaucklerrhythmbox cannot play mp3s, do I have to install a decode?10:08
ograwood1: thats what its good for currently.....10:08
wood1Anyway, it was nice to discuss these kinds of things and ideas with people like all of you here in the Chatroom10:08
jdubkent: build-essential10:08
kentjdub, thanks :)10:08
ogragauckler: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:08
wfxa typical faq ;-)10:08
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palleconfigure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH10:09
palleSee `config.log' for more details.10:09
pallewhat does this mean?10:09
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ograpalle: see jdubs last line..... to kent10:09
pridkettpalle: if means you need to install gcc10:09
wood1By the way, do you know any other great websites or links for Ubuntu Linux10:09
wood1besides the current featured links at Ubuntu's webpage ?10:10
pallei just logged back in here, so i can't see what jdub wrote10:10
ograpalle: oops, you just logged in.... build-essential is the pkg10:10
pallehow do i install gcc then?10:10
pridkettpalle: apt-get install build-essential10:10
wfxit would be nice when ubuntu show the faq (nvidia, mp3, ...) anywhere on first start10:10
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socommPffft, who needs nVidia or MP3z.10:11
ograwood1: sites with software ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu10:11
pallepridkett should i write that in a terminal?10:11
epodHey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my workstation at work, and when it gets to the part of the install where it extracts the network drivers package, it just repeats itself at 36% over and over...10:11
crimsunwfx: in the Applications menu there is About Ubuntu, and if you have a live Internet connection, you can browse right to the faq10:11
massjdub: gnome-user-share is i hoary, but it has a dependancy in universe, thats why I was asking :)10:12
Fwiffopalle or install it using synaptic10:12
pridkettpalle: you can "sudo apt-get install build-essential" or you can click on computer->system configuration->synaptic package manager and select build-essential10:12
ograwood1: sites with artwork ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityArtwork10:12
jdubmass: gnome-user-share itself is in universe :)10:12
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massjdub: Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main gnome-user-share 0.3-3 [15.8kB] 10:13
jdubhrm, so it is... it shouldn't be10:13
socommWhat is `gnome-user-share'?10:13
wood1thanks for the links, ogra10:13
palleohhh thnx for the help...10:14
jdubsocomm: easy, discoverable user level file sharing10:14
jdubsocomm: it's rad10:14
masssocomm: User-level file public file sharing based on Apache, WebDAV, and zeroconf/rendezvous10:14
ograwood1: one contains one to my own site, pure self-interst hehe10:14
pridketthey, anyone know why python-gtk doesn't ship with a pkg-config descriptor file?10:14
crimsunpridkett: ...why would it?10:15
jdubpridkett: that'd be in python-gtk2-dev, surely?10:15
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wfxcrimsun: thx i know it, it was only a idea to pop up a window with some info about the most prob/faq.10:15
socommpridkett: the *.pc stuff usually comes with the dev package.10:15
palleconfigure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***10:15
pallewhat does that mean then?10:16
Quest-Masterhttp://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html#codecs <-- are the codecs not working or is it just my connection?10:16
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pallehow do i install glib?10:16
pridkettahha.  Okay, that explains that.10:16
ograpalle: that you want to compile a gtk programm ?10:16
socommpalle: means you need to install glib development package.10:16
ograpalle: what exactly do you compile ?10:16
pallei am trying to compile xmms10:16
crimsuninstall libglib2.0-dev10:16
palleso i can listen to mo3's10:17
crimsuninstall libglib1.2-dev10:17
ograQuest-Master: take the package: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:17
socommpalle: you can install xmms via synaptic.10:17
pridkettIt seems like it makes some sense to include the .pc files with the actual python pacakges as you can still develop with them without the dev package installed10:17
ograpalle: there is a ubuntu package for xmms10:17
crimsunxmms is in main10:17
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socommpalle: are you trying to install the bleeding edge version of XMMS?10:17
pallehmmm, i don't know i got an url and i downloaded it10:18
ograpalle: rather take the package :)10:18
gaucklerwhats a good video player? gmplayer?10:18
socommpalle: if you don't have a `good' reason to install the bleeding edge version, just go with the one in synaptic.10:18
pallewhere is the package?10:18
ogragauckler: totem or totem-xine10:18
pridkettgauckler: totem10:18
socommgauckler: mplayer.10:19
ograpalle: in synaptic10:19
pallehow do i install the one i synaptic?10:19
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socommpalle: just check the box left of the package and click the `apply' button.10:19
ograpalle: enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.535934980110:19
ironwolfsmbclient/mount -t smbfs doesn't seem to work, ping does, seems to be XP-SP2 firewall, although it shows off in local area connection props-->advanced ... any clue where I look now?10:20
Quest-Mastermplayer-586 <-- isn't this the package in the apt repository?10:20
Quest-Masterapt-get says it isn't there10:20
pridkettQuest-Master: because it's not10:20
socommQuest-Master: that's not on Ubuntus repo.10:20
ograQuest-Master: read the wiki.....enable marillat10:20
pridkettQuest-Master: see the faq about restricted formats10:21
Quest-MasterI see10:21
ironwolfQuest-Master: it's in Multiverse10:21
ograironwolf: the warty pkg is broken afaik10:21
ironwolfogra: well I'm running hoary... and oddly it works with other M$ computers, most notably M$ 2000, but not m$ XP SP210:22
StarScreamjust saw the screen shots for XFCE 4.2..looks amazing..how long would it take for a new package to appear in ubuntu?10:22
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JDahlQuest-Master, you could also compile it from source... I've rarely seen a such a big package build so easily10:23
ograironwolf: but dont assume that everyone else is running it....some of us like stable systems :)10:23
palleokay, now there are like 10 different xmms which one should i install to be able to listen to mp3's?10:23
Quest-MasterOnce I add multiverse to the sources.list, can I just do it through apt-get normally?10:23
palleor probably mopre like 20-3010:23
ironwolfogra: wouldn't ever dare to assume that ;)  I was just asking *if* anyone knew what to look for next.10:23
ironwolfQuest-Master: yes10:23
socommQuest-Master: Yah.10:24
gaucklermplayer doesn't seem to work. do I have to download and self-compile?10:24
ograironwolf: hehe, i was thinking on your answer to Quest-Master the mplayer package in warty doesnt work10:24
socommgauckler: did you install the right version?10:24
pallewhich xmms package should i install?10:24
Quest-Masterapt-get is so much better than apt4rpm.10:24
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gaucklerMPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.410:24
socommQuest-Master: You think?10:24
tyran0does ubuntu have gcc?10:25
Fwiffopalle: just the one named xmms10:25
ogragauckler: from marillat ?10:25
Quest-Mastersocomm: Of course10:25
ogratyran0: sure10:25
ironwolfogra: *sigh* too many convos :)  warty MULTIVERSE has mplayer I was convinced.10:25
tyran0or what compiler does it have10:25
sulkdtyran0, yes but you have to install it manually.. "sudo apt-get install build-essential"10:25
gaucklermarillat??? from the usual sources in sources.list10:25
socommgauckler: I meant be sure you've downloaded the appropriate version for your processor.10:25
ograironwolf: a non working package, yes10:25
pallefwiffo: here is no1 named only xmms they are all named like xmms-something10:25
Fwiffopalle: if you just single click it you can read a description of what it is exactly10:25
palleswiffo: okay thnx10:26
ogragauckler: see here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:26
ironwolfgauckler: marillat  = debian, multiverse = ubuntu try installing mplayer from multiverse.. or worst case, from hoary multiverse.10:26
gaucklerCompiled for x86 CPU , and I have a P-M10:26
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Quest-MasterPackage w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.10:26
Quest-MasterThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or10:26
Quest-Masteris only available from another source10:26
Quest-MasterE: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate10:26
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socommQuest-Master: apt-get update10:26
ograQuest-Master: from marillat ?10:26
gaucklerironwolf: I'll try. might be that I caught the debian version..10:26
Quest-MasterI installed all of the other mplayer packages.10:27
Quest-Mastermplayer-custom, mplayer-fonts, mozilla-mplayer.10:27
Hikaru79I have a network with 2 Ubuntu computers and 2 Windows ones. Each of the two Ubuntu computers can see the Windows network, but not each other. What could be wrong? =/10:27
Fwiffopalle: It will have the Ubuntu logo just to the left of the name if that is any help10:27
socommQuest-Master: it installed fine here, a few moments ago.10:27
ograQuest-Master: not from multiverse ....10:27
pallefwiffo: i don't have it! this is only plug-ins =(10:28
socommwhere can I find mozilla-mplayer?10:28
Quest-MasterWhere from then?10:28
Quest-MasterDo I need to add another repository?10:28
Quest-Mastersocomm: It's in the multiverse repos.10:28
ograQuest-Master: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats10:28
socommQuest-Master: link?10:28
ograQuest-Master: read it10:29
Quest-MasterYeah, I added multiverse10:29
Fwiffopalle: thats odd :(10:29
ograQuest-Master: marillat10:29
pallefwiffo: ohh i just had to add another repositorie... thnx for the help10:30
ograQuest-Master: w32codecs cant be provided from ubuntu.....10:30
Fwiffopalle: have you enabled Universe and Multiverse?10:30
Fwiffopalle: aaah great10:30
socommogra: Thanks for the link.10:30
Quest-Masterogra: Yeah, I thought they were coming from multiverse10:32
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ograQuest-Master: unfortunately there is also a package in multiverse, but thats broken in warty....so take marillat...10:32
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Quest-MasterYup, done.10:33
Quest-MasterNow, onto XMMS.10:33
ograQuest-Master: mplayer package i mean...i think w32 codecs will be a legal heavyweight to ship10:33
wfxogra: how often this day you write "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats" ;-)10:33
davidvjust received my Ubunti disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no dispaly--any ideas?10:34
wfxif you say ubuntu you must also say http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ;-)10:34
gaucklerwfx ;)10:35
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ograwfx: jep, its a thing that should be easier in hoary....lets see.....10:35
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davidvjust received my Ubuntu disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no dispaly--any ideas?10:36
pridkettdavid: not to belittle you, but I usually double check if my monitor is plugged in at that point10:37
davidvgood point but i just rebooted from suse linux and my monitor was fine there10:37
davidvhas anybody in this channel had the same problem with Live Eval?10:38
Quest-Masterapt-get says XMMS is already installed10:39
palleif i installed xmms through synaptic how do i open it?10:39
Quest-MasterBut I can't find it in Applications -> Multimedia10:39
ograQuest-Master: run it from a treminal10:39
davidvtry /usr/bin/xmms in a terminal10:39
Fwiffopalle: it should be in Programs->Multimedia10:39
Quest-MasterThere it is10:39
Quest-MasterEww.. why does it use the old GTK?10:40
ograQuest-Master: because its xmms10:40
Quest-MasterOn Suse it didn't10:40
wfxthis is why beep live10:40
pridkettQuest-Master: You can try BEEP otherwise10:40
ograQuest-Master: beep-media-player is its gtk2 version10:40
pridkettQuest-Master: XMMS is a GTK only10:40
davidvjust received my Ubuntu disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no display--any ideas?10:40
Quest-MasterWhere is beep-media-player?10:41
davidvand yes, the monitor is plugged in (otherwise i couldn't see this)10:41
pallexmms is in /usr/bin can i make a shortcut or put it in the menu?10:41
ograQuest-Master: unicerse10:41
davidvpalle, right click the desktop, create new link to application10:42
palleokay, thnx...10:42
ograpalle: ctrl-L in nautilus and open applications://10:42
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ograpalle: this way you can add them to the menu ....10:43
palleogra: how do i get into nautilus?10:43
ograpalle: nautilus is the filemanager10:43
ograpalle: i.e. Computer->Disks10:44
palleaha, okay thnx!10:44
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mike8901thank you guys! i just got my 5 packs of cds10:46
mike8901i think about 400 cds total10:46
mike8901imna hand em out to all my friends10:46
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gauckleris today x-mas day for all you guys and girls getting cds with ubuntu .. hehe..10:47
davidvyeah and the live eval won't give me a display10:48
lizdeikano cds for me :(10:49
davidvthey sent me 1010:49
ironwolfnone for me either yet.10:49
calamari-mike8901: when did you order?10:49
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usualmy ubuntu cd's are here!10:52
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lizdeikai ordered mine ages ago10:52
usuali just got them10:53
awganyone have CD/DVD burning working under warty?10:53
Quest-MasterShouldn't k3b do the job?10:53
ironwolfawg: cd? yes dvd? no audio cd? no10:53
usuali ordered 20 and got 15 though10:53
mike8901calamari-: im not even sure10:54
ograawg: nautilus works fine for me in case of data cds10:54
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mike8901i completly forgot about it10:54
awgxcdroast should do the job, but it doesn't see either of my burners10:54
mike8901i didnt count my cds :)10:54
usualcool, the cd's come with a live cd and an install cd10:54
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mike8901i got 5 BAGS shipped from switzerland10:54
ograawg: did you try nautilus for burning ?10:54
mike8901to the US10:54
mike8901mustve cost a fortune10:54
topyliawg xcdroast is all that works here. i manually entered my device (/dev/hdc it this case), and it just works10:55
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awgogra: no, but i know that's not the problem since on SuSE xcdroast worked just fine for both CDs and DVDs10:55
awgtopyli: ah, i'll try that10:55
davidvi can't even get the Eval Cd to give me a display10:55
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awgtopyli: did you have to tell it to use the ide-scsi driver manually, or does it set that up automatically?  in SuSE i remember having to change the bootloader config so it would use ide-scsi10:56
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topyliawg: no scsi. it works without it10:56
ograawg: no ide-scsi anymore in 2.610:56
awgah, ok, i guess it was under SuSE 8.2 that i had to set that up then10:57
awg9.0/9.1 were 2.610:57
Shiftim interested in duelbooting Ubuntu and XP10:57
topyliawg: well, those were the days :)10:57
Shifti cant find any tutorials on this10:57
Fwiffoawg: I thought ide-scsi was'nt used any more?10:58
awgalright, i took ide-scsi out of the bootloader options, so i'll just reboot here and then see if it works10:58
Fwiffoohh, sorry10:58
awgthanks all10:58
mhlandryhow does upgrading the kernel work with ubuntu?  I can use apt, right?10:58
gsonhow do you make a file executble?10:58
topyliFwiffo: too slow :)10:59
Fwiffotopyli: yeah, I noticed :o)10:59
mhlandrychmod +x <filename> ?10:59
topylimhlandry: install a package like "linux-image-686" or something. it will always depend on the latest kernel for your architecture and be updated10:59
Fwiffomhlandry: Do you mean upgrade to a kernel supplied by Ubuntu?10:59
wfxShift: dual boot linux & windows doe not depend on ubuntu. ubuntu use the grub boot manager so...11:00
wfxShift: you need to configure grub for booting11:00
davidvwfx: one hard drive or two?11:00
ograShift: works out of the box11:00
ograShift: you dont need to configure it11:01
FwiffoShift: and if it does not, try changing from CHS to LBA in your BIOS11:01
wfxone howto is: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html11:01
wfxdavidv: anywhere ;-)11:02
davidvi dual-boot SuSE 9.1 pro on an IDE drive and XP pro on a SATA drive11:02
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Quest-Masterdavidv: Leave SuSE11:05
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Quest-MasterTrust me, Ubuntu is like a thousand times better.11:05
Quest-MasterI moved to Ubuntu today11:05
Quest-MasterI've been using Suse for a few months too, removed it today and replaced it with Ubuntu.11:05
davidvi'd like to test it but the Live Eval cd won't give me a display in any mode11:05
Quest-MasterHeh, I just skipped over the LiveCD and installed it.11:06
gaucklerdavidv: backup your system and install ubuntu ;)11:06
Quest-MasterUbuntu is miles ahead of SuSe.11:06
davidvi like to test drive before in install11:06
gsonhmm someone that knows any good burning application?11:06
gsonlike nero burning11:06
gsonhm k11:07
davidvgauckler, what deskto do you use, KDE or Gnome?11:07
gaucklernow gnome, before kde11:07
Quest-MasterGnome is so fast compared to KDE11:08
Quest-MasterI used to use KDE too, when starting off with Suse.11:08
davidvi don't like the mechanics of Gnome that much11:09
Quest-MasterThen I tried Gnome on Suse, and it was awesome, but Suse worked horribly with Gnome.11:09
Quest-MasterSo, I moved to Ubuntu.11:09
ogragson: this is important for k3b: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/11:09
davidvthe way it works11:09
Quest-MasterKDE is for people who are used to how Windows is set up11:09
davidvit is faster though11:09
Quest-MasterYou just have to get used to how Gnome works11:09
Quest-MasterIt's better in the long run11:09
davidvpreference is why there are different platforms11:10
ograguys...please no kde/gnome bashing in here11:10
Quest-MasterI wouldn't consider it bashing, hehe11:10
mike8901is there any way to integrate portage w/ ubuntu11:10
davidvi'm not bashing anything Ogra11:10
mike8901i love portage as it compiles and optimizes everything11:10
mike8901apt-get doesnt have optimized rpms11:10
crimsun"portage and ubuntu?"11:10
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davidvwell, maybe just the live eval disk11:10
crimsungoodness, man.11:10
mike8901why not crimsun?11:10
IamMoocan anyone help me to as why ubuntu install fails after the hardware detection?11:11
crimsunapt-get for ubuntu does not use rpms; it uses debs11:11
crimsundebs are usually compiled with -O211:11
JDahlogra, c'mon just a quick one... then we can do vim vs emacs afterwards11:11
mike8901are debs optimized?11:11
crimsunmike8901: "optimized" is rather meaningless11:11
ograJDahl: *g* i'll take the vim part ;)11:11
davidvi can't figure out why the live eval recognizes my nvidia fx5200 video card but won't give a display once x starts11:11
IamMooannnyone at all11:12
crimsunmike8901: for one, what really needs to be optimized?11:12
mike8901crimsun: xfree8611:12
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davidvi am moo, what do you mean fails?11:12
IamMoothe install just stops11:12
IamMooblue screen11:12
IamMoonothing happens11:12
ogramike8901: and you notice it ? or is it only measurable ?11:12
IamMooblue with the grey stip at the button11:13
IamMoothe ubuntu install background11:13
crimsunmike8901: the packages that really need to be optimized are. The kernel. libc6-i686. The crypto packages.11:13
davidvi haven't installed it yet but it is most likely a driver issue11:13
mike8901crimsun: so you are saying that xfree86 does not benifit in any way from optimization?11:13
davidvdo you have any weird hardware?11:13
IamMooits a gateway11:13
crimsunmike8901: I said the packages that really need to be optimized are.11:14
ograIamMoo: switch to another console with alt-f211:14
FwiffoIamMoo: how long did you wait before rebooting?11:14
crimsunmike8901: the others can be but are not critical.11:14
IamMooafter about 3 minutes the computer locks up completely at the blue screen11:14
IamMooand i've waited 30 minutes11:14
ograIamMoo: look if there are errors on alt-f3 or f4 i think....11:14
davidvmoo, ogra has a point--you can diagnose a bad install by switching to another console11:15
IamMoook one sec11:15
FwiffoIamMoo: ok, it's just that some times it can take a while to detect hardware, but not that long I would think11:15
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IamMoohold a sec and i will do the console thing11:15
IamMoowhen do i press alt-f3?11:17
IamMooduring the install?11:17
ograIamMoo: anytime during the install with alt-f1 you get back....11:18
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davidvso no ideas on my live eval issue?  i get no output to the monitor at any mode11:18
davidvsafe mode detects my vid card11:18
ogradavidv: hmm....11:18
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Fwiffodavidv: I haven't a clue, when does it blank?11:19
davidvafter X starts and the startup sound plays11:19
davidvthen my monitor light goes amber and it just sits11:19
IamMoo*searching for ubuntu install on media*11:20
IamMooand thats where it hangs11:20
davidvi can get another console but X is dead11:20
ogradavidv: tried ctrl-alt-+ or - ?11:20
Fwiffosounds like your monitor is misdetected, and X is tryoing to run it in a mode it does'nt support11:20
ogradavidv: i.e. numpad plus or minus11:20
davidvmost likely11:20
IamMoo*Kernal panic: fatal exception interrupt*11:21
IamMoo*In interrupt handler - not syncing*11:21
IamMoothats my error with alt+f411:21
ograIamMoo: hmm, probably Kamion has a sec for you.....11:21
Fwiffoogra: does'nt that just change the size of the vitual desktop11:21
davidvmoo, it looks like Ubuntu hates your Gateway11:21
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IamMoothis is no fun11:22
ograFwiffo: nope, the resolution11:22
Fwiffoogra: ok11:22
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davidvmy monitor is 21", supports just about every resolution11:22
IamMooso nothing else to try with this guys?11:22
davidvand refresh rate11:22
wfxgood night11:22
IamMooyesss? =)11:23
davidvi would do a little google search "ubuntu kernal panic on install"11:23
nomasteryodawill dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 work for copying a file system while that file system is mounted?11:23
IamMoogood thinking!11:23
ograIamMoo: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html11:23
ograIamMoo: probably there is something .....11:24
davidvi'll be back'11:26
kentnomasteryoda, i guess you atleast might run into trouble if thing changes on the fs, which it most likely will. So i would not do that..11:26
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speelhye i have a qucik question in the ubuntu live c gnome was very smoother and now that i have it installed its not any ideas?11:34
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Quest-MasterUsually, it's the opposite11:34
Quest-MasterFaster on hard drive, slower on CD11:34
ograspeel: define smoother11:34
speellike the toolbars in the live cd were more polished11:35
gaucklerI installed ubuntu on a driveless laptop. with the help of the "netboot install howto". still some things didn't went straight. do you think this is worth a new howto?11:35
calamari-I have a slow dial-up connection.  There are certain apps I will need, like Java, but I'd rather download them then use synaptic to install them from a burned CD.  Is this easy to do?11:36
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IamMoois there a way to do a netboot where it downloads the file instead of running it from the cd?11:36
speelo nvm fixed it11:36
wiihi people! im sure you get this alot but i cant play mp3 files in ubuntu, i have added the repositories (universe) as said in the wiki tutorial at the ubuntu site, but when i search for the package gstreamer0.9-mad it cant find it (only gstream0.8, and that one is already isntalled) any suggestions, or another ubuntu source.list supported url i can try?11:36
Quest-MasterHow come BEEP doesn't have the options that XMMS does?11:37
gaucklerIamMoo: I did a netboot and installed from the archive.ubuntu.com11:37
Quest-MasterLike, Play File, Play Directory, etc11:37
ograIamMoo: have you looked at the url  ?11:37
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ograwii: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats11:38
ograwii: all the steps you need are described there, read it ....11:38
Quest-MasterHow can I mount my Windows drive?11:39
wiiogra , yes i have gone through that, but as i said it dosent fint the package11:39
ograwii: so you havent :)11:39
nomasteryodakent: thks11:39
ograwii: enable universe11:40
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speelquest: its not mounted already?11:40
ograwii: from the site: Other packages can be found in universe and/or multiverse.11:40
Quest-MasterIt was usually mounted automatically in SuSE11:41
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wiiogra yes i enabled it in the synaptic frontend11:42
speelwell you can do sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/whatever11:42
wiithe two sources that was unmarked, the universe11:42
ograwii: and you refreshed indeed11:42
wiihmm that one im ot sure of =)11:43
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ograwii: :)11:43
speelis it a good idea to keep the system current?11:44
Vince-0<<any1 Got ATI drivers workin on AMD64 arch ?>>11:44
ograspeel: with security updates ? yes....11:44
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wiiogra ok i dident update =) but when i do i get error msgs11:44
wiiogra : that the repositorie isent in use11:45
ograwii: set it up like here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view11:45
FwiffoQuest-Master: You could also have a look at Computer->System Configuration->Disks11:45
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wiiogra ok thanks! my synaptic just crashed hihi but ill test that probobly will work :>11:46
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ograwii: it will, i promose :D11:47
calamari-does ubuntu come with wine ?11:47
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wiiogra  =) laters, thanks11:47
ogracalamari-: wine is there, not by default though11:48
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calamari-ogra: ahh, didn't see it in the cd package list.11:49
mane1i'm a newbie in linux. any1 knows ht install sd card memory?11:49
ogracalamari-: oh, i'm not sure if its on the cd11:49
ogramane1: just plug it in ?11:50
mane1ogra: dont works11:50
ogramane1: what kind of connection ? usb ?11:50
mane1ogra: i dont see it11:50
Quest-MasterFwiffo: There is no option Disks11:51
calamari-ogra: Doesn't seem like it.  I know it'd be in Debian's archive.  I'm still curious, can I download a DEB file and have it be installed by synaptic so that it knows about it, can be upgraded, uninstalled, etc?11:51
Quest-MasterThere is device manager though11:51
mane1ogra: it isnt usb11:51
FwiffoQuest-Master: oh, sorry - im running Hoary so it's probably something new then11:51
Quest-MasterWhat's Hoary?11:51
ogracalamari-: nope... the dependencys could break....99% of debian packages are in universe/multiverse11:52
ograQuest-Master: the development branch11:52
FwiffoQuest-Master: It's the development branch og Ubuntu11:52
ograQuest-Master: use it only if you can handle breakages11:52
Quest-MasterNah. :P11:52
FwiffoQuest-Master: yes, I can vouch for that ;)11:52
calamari-ogra: I don't quite understand.  If I install universe/multiverse packages I could break the system dependencies?11:52
ogramane1: what else ?11:53
ogracalamari-: nope, but if you install debian packages :)11:53
mane1ogra: just comes with the notebook11:53
FwiffoQuest-Master: you can mout the disk automatically by putting it in /etc/fstab11:53
mane1ogra: the reader11:53
ogramane1: what does the deviace manager show ?11:53
z2nOnlycan anyone recommend a good gui p2p application?11:53
calamari-ogra: oic.. is there any option for someone like me with a slow connection to download the universe/multiverse packages I need elsewhere and then install them later on my machine?11:54
mane1cb710 memory card reader11:54
FwiffoQuest-Master: do a google on it, there are plenty of examples lying around :)11:54
speelz2: limewire11:54
ogracalamari-: there was a thread on the mailing list....11:54
Vince-0<how do i see my kernel version ?>11:54
z2nOnlyspeel, thanks!11:54
ogramane1: has it a /dev/something entry in the device manager ?11:55
mane1vincet-o: when you boot11:55
ograVince-0: uname -r11:55
ograspeel: but now say that he/she also needs java ;)11:56
Vince-0ogra: X-win version ?11:56
mane1ogra: says Device:Unknown11:56
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ogramane1: on the detailed tab....11:56
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ograVince-0: hmm.... probably in /var/log/XFree86.log11:57
wiiogra !! it works :P wiiii \o/11:57
ograVince-0: anywhere in the first lines....11:57
mane1ogra: /sys/devices/pci0000 ...11:57
Quest-MasterI'll try it Fwiffo11:58
ogramane1: so no /dev entry ....11:58
Quest-MasterIs it normally supposed to be automatically mounted though?11:58
ograQuest-Master: win ? nope11:58
mane1ogra: No. there isnt Device:Unknown11:59
z2nOnlyspeel, is limewire available thru synaptic?11:59

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