[12:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> so I've heard vrln
[12:00] <ogra> yam: snd- indicates its a alsa module, pcm = /dev/dsp , oss = alsas oss emulation
[12:00] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: where there's a will, there's a way ;-)
[12:00] <d-b> ogra: About the dist upgrade... Can I upgrade my Warty to Hoary?
[12:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> I was kind of afraid when I saw proprietary packages, but then I read the docs on how ubuntu handles 'universe' packages
[12:00] <ogra> yam: while building your kernel
[12:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> and how they're made to work with the 6 billion trillion debian packages
[12:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> which I liked
[12:00] <ogra> d-b: if you can handle a unstable system yes
[12:00] <cyberdrek> Xenguy, lol... :)
[12:01] <vrln_> you'll never have to reinstall, when hoary is out you can just dist-upgrade to it
[12:01] <ogra> d-b: hoary breaks for time to time.....sometimes more, sometimes less
[12:01] <d-b> ogra: I'd be glad to submit bug reports.
[12:01] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: also wher grumpy is out.....
[12:02] <ogra> d-b: but keep in mind it can render your system unusable if it comes to its worst :)
[12:02] <TheCan> anyone of you using ubuntu together with pkgsrc btw?
[12:03] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: or wher perky penguin is out.....even your grandchildren could still upgrade your current install.....
[12:03] <d-b> (07:04:31) ogra: [SPD] RalphNader: much nicer is....you never ever have to reinstall if you got a working system and break it...debian dist upgrades "just work"
[12:03] <d-b> (07:04:47) ogra: never break it
[12:03] <ogra> d-b: yep.....corrected :)
[12:04] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol ogra
[12:04] <yam> ogra: no I didnt... kernel is ok... my /proc/asound system is great
[12:05] <ogra> d-b: the sid on this box that was replaced by ubuntu was actually the first install on this laptop...no reinstalls....my webserver was installed in '98 it is still the first install...always upgraded
[12:05] <ogra> yam: but you dont have a /dev/dsp....
[12:06] <ogra> yam: which is created by snd-pcm-oss on module load by udev
[12:06] <d-b> Wow.
[12:07] <ogra> [SPD] RalphNader: the reinstall is a typical suse problem....they didnt solve it to today....you have to reinstall each third release or so
[12:07] <TheCan> ogra, full ack
[12:08] <ogra> what is pretty weird for servers some 100km away.....
[12:09] <yam> ogra: ok.... i forgot I have two devices... also a Tv tuner
[12:09] <yam> ogra: so I have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1
[12:09] <ogra> yam: and they are both there ?
[12:09] <yam> ogra: yes
[12:09] <yam> ogra: but /dev/dsp is tv tuner and /dev/dsp is sblive
[12:09] <ogra> yam: which driver did you take for the tv card ?
[12:10] <yam> bttv
[12:10] <ogra> yam: thats for video iirc
[12:10] <Faustus> hey I'm trying to fill out a bug and I get "must fill out component".  I have set it to unkown, as it says I can.
[12:10] <ogra> yam: i think snd-bt87x would be right
[12:10] <yam> ogra: anyway
[12:11] <yam> where do you specify the audio device ?
[12:11] <yam> in gnome desktop
[12:11] <Faustus> had to be capitals
[12:11] <ogra> yam: its defaulting to esd....which is using /dev/dsp
[12:11] <zenwhen> man i ate too much turkey
[12:11] <zenwhen> im out of it
[12:12] <zenwhen> o;
[12:12] <ogra> yam: you can run gstreamer-properties
[12:13] <ogra> yam: but it wont solve the device issue i guess....i think with your kernel is something wrong
[12:14] <yam> ogra: if I delete dsp and rename /dev/dsp1 to /dev/dsp1, files start playing, but no soun
[12:14] <yam> d
[12:14] <yam> there's something really weird
[12:16] <[SPD] RalphNader> yam do you have and sb card?
[12:20] <stvn> is there a desktop virus scanner for ubuntu-warty? ( a bit like norton,macaffee and such)?
[12:20] <cardador> stvn: clam av
[12:20] <cardador> stvn: and aegis (gui)
[12:20] <stvn> cardador: does it have a friendly gtk interface?
[12:21] <cardador> stvn: aegis does
[12:21] <stvn> aegis, hm couldn't find it in the ubuntu reps.
[12:21] <d-b> brb
[12:21] <cardador> stvn: enable universe and multiverse
[12:21] <stvn> cardador: I have
[12:22] <cardador> stvn: strange, i found a lot of files after searching "aegis"
[12:22] <stvn> cardador: so do i, but not aegis-virus-sanner
[12:23] <cardador> scanner
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> why do you need a virus scanner?
[12:23] <stvn> nope
[12:23] <cardador> HrdwrBoB: i had to use on at my work, after a shared folder beeing infected
[12:24] <cardador> use one
[12:24] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: better safe than sorry
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> linux virus scanner are useful for getting rid of windows viruses
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> in my experience
[12:24] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: don't kid yourself, linux viruss do exist
[12:25] <stvn> they are rare though
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> I'm well aware they exist
[12:25] <stvn> k :)
[12:25] <Agrajag> stvn: I've been hit by one windows virus, and zero linux viruses, in the last 5 years
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> but running a 'virus scanner' is unlikely to help you
[12:25] <Agrajag> it's a matter of not being an idiot
[12:25] <Agrajag> not running a virus scanner
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> attack vectors in linux are entirely different
[12:25] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: hm could be
[12:26] <axisK> virii :(
[12:26] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: must say that aegis-virus-scanner doesn't appear to be very pro-active (==annoying) ;)
[12:26] <Agrajag> a linux desktop without a virus scanner is like an elephant without a ballpoint pen
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> stvn: I've been a linux admin for .. about 6 years, in that time I have seen LOTS of compromised linux machines
[12:26] <stvn> Agrajag: I know many elephants being annoyed by their lack of ballpoints ;)
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> none of them had 'viruses'
[12:26] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: true
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> if you keep your system updated, you're fine
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> but if you don't update your system
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> youy're not going to update your 'virus scanner' either
[12:27] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: but how about someone elses system? (eg my sisters)
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> how about it?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> set it up to auto update the security patches
[12:28] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: how to lock it down nicely without you being able to update it regurarly (my sister lives my kms away)
[12:28] <stvn> HrdwrBoB: good point
[12:28] <Agrajag> have a cron job do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade once a day or so
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> by default, ubuntu has 0 listening external points
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> put in an job to get security updates
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> and forget about it for a while
[12:29] <stvn> i put firestarter init and only opened ssh, so I'm able to login remotely
[12:29] <Agrajag> HrdwrBoB: huh
[12:29] <Agrajag> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:111           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     3684/portmap
[12:29] <Agrajag> wait no
[12:29] <stvn> lol
[12:29] <Agrajag> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:25            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     4352/master
[12:29] <Agrajag> that's the one
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> Agrajag: external :P
[12:29] <Agrajag> I didn't install a mail server
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> Agrajag: that's you.
[12:29] <rjek> I like to know what it's upgrading, and when.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> and also, that's local
[12:30] <Agrajag> it's listening
[12:30] <stvn> rjek: i agree
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> EXTERNAL
[12:30] <rjek> It's as bad as the automatic windows update to do that.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> rjek: yes but you can't have your cake and eat it too
[12:30] <rjek> You never know when debian-legal might change their mind about what's free. :)
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> you can EITHER vet updates
[12:30] <rjek> HrdwrBoB: If absolutely required, I just have it email what's changed and what's new.
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> OR you can have magical auto updates you don't have to worry about
[12:30] <rjek> ... until they break.
[12:31] <stvn> rjek: it's ubuntu, your not depending on debian-legal but on sabdf ;)
[12:31] <rjek> stvn: Well, yes.  But you know what I mean. :)
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> stvn: you're not your :)
[12:32] <rjek> stvn: Have you met Mark?
[12:32] <stvn> so chocky
[12:32] <rjek> Chockyholics!
[12:32] <stvn> rjek: nope, and won't be in spain next week either :(
[12:32] <stvn> :D
[12:32] <rjek> stvn: You should come to cambridge on Saturday.
[12:33] <stvn> rjek: it won't happen I'm afraid, would love to but...
[12:33] <rjek> stvn: Did you get bill paying down to an art last year, btw?
[12:33] <stvn> hehe
[12:35] <eruin> one hundred words left till I'm done with my semester paper!
[12:36] <rjek> Heh.
[12:36] <eruin> wonder if I should thank openoffice for not crashing randomly on me in the credits
[12:36] <stvn> eruin: lol
[12:36] <ogra> eruin: 250 ppl in the room.... if everyone contributes half a word youre done :)
[12:36] <eruin> hehe
[12:37] <eruin> if any of them are experts on immanuel kant, then hit me :P
[12:37] <ogra> kant....
[12:37] <eruin> david hume I get, but Kant freaks me out
[12:38] <ogra> hehe....
[12:38] <stvn> kant was the last guy with the one system thing, right?
[12:38] <shingoki> Hi all. Anyone had a problem where installing nvidia-glx makes you unable to log out?
[12:38] <ogra> shingoki: warty  ?
[12:38] <eruin> stvn: well, he was the founder of modern aesthetics
[12:39] <shingoki> ogra: Yup
[12:39] <eruin> and aesthetics is what I'm studying ;O
[12:39] <ogra> shingoki: with the ubuntu package i never had probs....
[12:40] <shingoki> ogra: I might be doing it the wrong way - which packages should I install?
[12:40] <ogra> shingoki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:40] <stvn> eruin: ah right, don't know much about his easthetic side, only discussed his philosophical side
[12:41] <eruin> Kant: "Act, as if the Maxim of your action could never become a general law of nature through your will." <- sheesh
[12:41] <eruin> probably a lousy translation from german, but still
[12:41] <ogra> eruin: heh, sounds funny in english
[12:41] <imanewbie_> ogra: how can I install it? Does it need any extra configuration?
[12:41] <stvn> eruin: tsk, you should read the guy in his native language, so much clearer :p
[12:41] <wildcode_> please please help, dns keeps failing, I've installed resolvconf, pump and dnsmasq as per dns problem howto in the forums, it appeared to work at first but now dns is failing again
[12:41] <ogra> imanewbie_: nvidia-glx ?
[12:41] <eruin> stvn: I can only read/write basic german ;)
[12:42] <imanewbie_> ogra: nvidia drivers
[12:43] <shingoki> ogra: Did you use this "sudo nvidia-glx-config enable " ?
[12:44] <shingoki> ogra: Thats the bit I didn't do, I will try it again ;)
[12:44] <JStrike> I seem to have come up with a peculiar error in Hoary. My installation is not totally current across the distro, but nautilus is. When I try run nautilus, it cant find the libnautilus.so.2 lib
[12:44] <ogra> shingoki: yep, do it
[12:44] <JStrike> Which file needs to be updated?
[12:44] <stvn> wildcode_: are you sure you have network and it is pointing to the right working dNS server?
[12:44] <shingoki> ogra: I see there are instructions there for ati too, do they actually work?
[12:44] <JStrike> Nautilus and libnautilus are up to date
[12:44] <shingoki> ogra: Great thanks :) I'm setting ubuntu up on one machine for a friend with nvidia, and on my own machine with ati
[12:44] <ogra> imanewbie_: its in restricted...should be in synaptics repositorys
[12:44] <egon_spengler> Okay, I have the basic "bleah" ubuntu theme, but what happened to the previous one from the release candidate?
[12:44] <wildcode_> stvn, yes, the same one the rest of the working (windows) network is pointing to
[12:44] <JStrike> egon_spengler : Are you talking about the wallpaper?
[12:44] <shingoki> I can't believe there was so much fuss about the previous splashscreen, I guess fascists didn't like it
[12:44] <shingoki> (j/k)
[12:44] <stvn> wildcode_: is it a dhcp network or a manual configured one?
[12:44] <egon_spengler> Wallpaper, splash, and bootsplash
[12:44] <eruin> bootsplash in ubuntu?
[12:44] <egon_spengler> Was a link on the main ubuntu page for a bit but can't find it now
[12:44] <ogra> shingoki: its forbidden in certain religions to show skin
[12:44] <wildcode_> stvn, the exact same one that it points to when dns is working in ubuntu, the same one that works for windows machines  when ubuntu fails (sorry I've been wrestling with this for several days
[12:44] <eruin> the "clothes" religion
[12:44] <imanewbie_> ogra: wich should I install glx or settings?
[12:44] <shingoki> eruin: Ah yeah, those guys have trouble going swimming and seeing the doctor ;)
[12:44] <wildcode_> stvn, dhcp network
[12:44] <JStrike> egon_spengler : You can get the a new wallpaper from Synaptic with the Ubuntu November wallpaper
[12:45] <JStrike> Just search for ubuntu in Synaptic
[12:45] <eruin> shingoki: uh,huh, so impractical!
[12:45] <ogra> imanewbie_: do it like described in the wiki: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:45] <egon_spengler> already did the ubuntu-calendar apt-get install
[12:45] <shingoki> Well I'm gonna go see if I break my ubuntu install trying to get ati driver. if it works, I will be SO impressed with ubuntu
[12:51] <egon_spengler> I mean the one featured in the OSDir writeup/screenies
[12:51] <shingoki> any distro that can get the ati drivers working with a few commands deserves great respect
[12:51] <eruin> ubuntu breaking? nonsense ;)
[12:51] <JStrike> egon_spengler : Not sure.
[12:51] <cardador> shingoki: just follow the howto and itll work out fine
[12:51] <ogra> shingoki: tra the wiki for ati :)
[12:51] <ogra> try
[12:51] <JStrike> So, anyone have an idea about the libnautilus problem?
[12:51] <stvn> wildcode_: very weird, if /etc/resolv.conf points to the correct DNS server and the DNS server is a normal DNS server, your IP is valid, it should work ...
[12:51] <egon_spengler> Big foofarah about it, ubuntu listed the package download link, and now can't find it.
[12:51] <eruin> anyone else noticed how osdirs recent distro screenshots just look like repetitive galleries of basic gnome functions?
[12:51] <ogra> JStrike: libnautilus ?
[12:51] <egon_spengler> I LIKED that theme
[12:51] <imanewbie_> ogra: thx for the link, is the reported bug serious?
[12:51] <ogra> imanewbie_: the xmms one ? yes
[12:51] <JStrike> ogra : Scoll up and see my posts from a couple of minutes ago
[12:51] <wildcode_> stvn, whats weird, is it'll work for a while (occassionally) but then suddenly as it worked, it'll fail (most times it fails including at boot) ... nothing in logs shed any light on it
[12:51] <imanewbie_> so I cant use xine right? how can I see vidoes?
[12:51] <ogra> imanewbie_: xine ?
[12:51] <eruin> I use xine here
[12:51] <JStrike> egon_spengler : I was good, but not worth going to all the trouble of finding it
[12:51] <eruin> to view, divx, quicktime, etc
[12:51] <imanewbie_> eruin: do you used the drivers?
[12:51] <eruin> imanewbie_: I grabbed avifile and the w32 codecs
[12:51] <karlheg> Does the libdecss get installed by default?
[12:51] <eruin> karlheg: no
[12:51] <stvn> wildcode_: hm, I'm very much at a loss here, better ask a smarter person ;)
[12:51] <ogra> imanewbie_: the bug is about xmms... an ancient nostalgic music player....
[12:51] <imanewbie_> oki thx
[12:51] <karlheg> So one must still get them from the marillat site?
[12:51] <eruin> yes
[12:51] <wildcode_> stvn: the time server sync at boot will sometimes succeed, most times fail cause of the dns issue, when it succeeds dns will only work for a little while (a few mins) before ti fails
[12:51] <karlheg> Ok.
[12:51] <ogra> karlheg: as long as nobody changes the law....
[12:51] <stvn> wildcode_: my guess is that something else is interfering
[12:51] <eruin> what's wrong with libdecss btw?
[12:51] <wildcode_> stvn, thats what I am thinking, but with no clues ....
[12:51] <eruin> it's ruled completely legal here
[12:51] <ogra> eruin: where is here ??
[12:51] <eruin> norway.
[12:51] <ogra> ah
[12:51] <shingoki> ogra, cardador: Just run through the howto... installing last packages... fingers crossed
[12:51] <eruin> should be in the clear in the EU too?
[12:51] <shingoki> I've tried soooo many times to install ATI
[12:51] <eruin> since we don't have retarded IP laws like the us
[12:52] <shingoki> eruin: Thats not true any more
[12:52] <shingoki> eruin: Look for "EUCD" on google
[12:52] <eruin> poland trashed the ministry ruling
[12:52] <diego> x doesn't want to start, "no screens found error" on nforce2 board. fresh install
[12:52] <JStrike> There must be something I am overlooking. Cant really do all that much without Nautilus
[12:52] <diego> nvidia geforce4 card
[12:55] <ogra> JStrike: did you search for nautilus in synaptic ? should show up everything with this name
[12:55] <cardador> JStrike: try to restart X, or reboot. happened to me today
[12:55] <cardador> JStrike: after a dist-upgrade
[12:55] <JStrike> ogra : Yep. Have almost everything installed and upgraded bar the -dev packages and the media packages
[12:55] <jdub> JStrike: using hoary? killall gnome-vfs-daemon
[12:55] <imi> how long would a used laptop battery run using windows when it runs for 2 hours in linux without x?
[12:55] <jdub> JStrike: then killall nautilus
[12:55] <imi> how long would a used laptop battery run using windows when it runs for 2 hours in linux without x?
[12:55] <diego> well, anyone have anything for me to try so i can start X?
[01:03] <ogra> diego: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: nm, I was referring to the patent issue
[01:03] <shingoki> not sure if ATi setup worked, its changed my refresh rate for some reason, but I still get Mesa as glx driver
[01:03] <imanewbie_> worked =)
[01:03] <diego> ogra: ty
[01:03] <JStrike> jdub : Nope. Didn't work
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: as in, you can't patent software in EU like you can in US
[01:03] <eruin> my bad
[01:03] <ogra> shingoki: you  have to load the kernel module and log out and in again...to be sure its loaded you could also reboot
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: Patent thing is coming here too, the European Commission will push it through, they don't care that it has been democratically and analyticallyrejected
[01:03] <shingoki> ogra: I'm just trying a reboot now
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: ohwell, thank god we're not a EU member
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: The reason why decss may be (is?) illegal in the US is the DMCA, since it is a "copyright circumvention device" or some such lame thing, that is what the EUCD does for Europe, except that the EUCD is even worse than the DMCA, especially the way the UK plan to implement it
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: Which country?
[01:03] <ogra> shingoki: followed all four points ?
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: norway
[01:03] <shingoki> ogra: Yup... let me see how it goes after reboot
[01:03] <ogra> shingoki: k
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: You;d better hope your government doesn't decide it wants reasonable trading relations with the US, or probably the EU soon, they will use them to force you into similar laws, as has been done with Australia, not that Australia is exactly a beacon of liberty anyway
[01:03] <ogra> eruin: seen this ? http://tinyurl.com/6d4wf
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: we've had a supreme court ruling that "copyright circumvention" for the purpose of enabling playback/usage on non-standard user devices is perfectly legal
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: That will probably last as long as a snowball in hell, but good luck to you guys, I like norway :) I might find myself over there soon if things keep going the way they are ;)
[01:03] <diego> ogra: hmm, it still doesn't want to start. maybe i should try the nvidia accelerated graphics?
[01:03] <ogra> diego: hmm, nv should work
[01:03] <d-b> Is there a modem query utility installed in Warty by default?
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: yeah, I know, the european economic something treaty... they try forcing us in lots of cases, but we stil have veto.
[01:03] <ogra> d-b: you mean wvdial ? its handled by the network tool in your computer menu
[01:03] <eruin> I'll move to india the day we join the EU :p
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: Eventually it will get through. The US companies that are the prime motivators behind all this IP crap don't win unless they force us all into copy-cat laws. If any countries stand up and ignore software patents, they actually reap huge benefits for themselves. This is why it is so strange that EU etc. are adopting these laws - but of course the reason is industry lobbying
[01:03] <d-b> ogra: It doesn't go well with my modem.
[01:03] <ogra> d-b: but its the default....what you asked....
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: hopefull the EU will evolve into something more US-hostile than it already is
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: If norway ignores software patents, you guys can all just use free software and get the benefits of that. When you invent something cool, go and patent it in the US, and you still get protected there, and get to sell in a huge market - its the perfect situation for Norwegians
[01:03] <eruin> shingoki: hmm, government is switching to linux all over the place
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: That is why the US will try anything it can to get you guys to shoot yourselves in the foot, so that US corps are able to "own" an idea across the whole globe
[01:03] <d-b> ogra: Strange my modem doesn't want to dial.
[01:03] <shingoki> eruin: I'm not being wacko here, and its not jsut the US who want this, probably some EU countries think they will pick up some of the scraps as well... anywya, I hope you manage to resist it ;)
[01:03] <ogra> d-b: hmm, a external one ?
[01:03] <d-b> d-b: yeah. on /dev/ttyS1
[01:09] <eruin> shingoki: obviously they do, yeah. I don't think anyone here is willing to let that happen in any way, though
[01:09] <shingoki> ok... so looks like boot has stopped after "starting hotplug system"... I'm guessing this is just before X starts?
[01:09] <ogra> d-b: sure its S1 ? S0 is the first one normally
[01:09] <imi> does the power consumption of a laptop depend on whether a graphical interface is running or not?
[01:09] <eruin> right, back to my paper :)
[01:09] <__daniel> imi: i think so
[01:09] <d-b> ogra: S1's my mouse. :-(
[01:09] <d-b> oops
[01:09] <d-b> S0
[01:09] <ogra> d-b: ah
[01:09] <shingoki> eruin: We aren't either - our only democratic representatives in the EU, the europarl, voted strongly against SW patents, but we will get them anyway. Perhaps a similar thing will happen in norway. You see not many people know or care anything about SW patents, so it is fairly easy for a government to push through, for whatever little kickbacks they get (not necessarily bribes, but there must be some nice presents the US can g
[01:09] <imi> __daniel, the battery i'm talking about ran 1:45 hours without x. how long would it make it with a gui? what do you think?
[01:09] <shingoki> imi: If the backlight is switched off, that may make a big difference.
[01:09] <__daniel> *shrug*
[01:09] <__daniel> imi: no idea
[01:09] <imi> maybe an hour?
[01:09] <imi> i wanna sell the battery of my old laptop and the description is targeted mainly to win98 (cough) users
[01:09] <mirak> damn unison doesn't work
[01:09] <imi> (ebay)
[01:09] <mirak> it creates .#something folders
[01:09] <ogra> d-b: try pppconfig ..... then "pon provider" to dial and "poff" to hangup
[01:09] <d-b> okay.
[01:09] <shingoki> oh god, ati driver has completely killed my install
[01:09] <shingoki> now it has "lost interrupt" on hda
[01:09] <__daniel> shingoki: i don't think that's related to ATI
[01:09] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: in /etc/hdparm.conf
[01:10] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: enable /dev/hda and set interrupt_unmask = on
[01:12] <diego> ogra_dogwalk: no framebuffer fixed it
[01:12] <shingoki> I think its because I booted in safe mode
[01:12] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: lol
[01:12] <shingoki> would that affect the ide settings and cause that error?
[01:12] <shingoki> Ah but you see I booted in safe mode because I couldn't get to login any more :(
[01:22] <shingoki> It's a nforce2 (hrgrgrhhh!) if that explains anything
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: try the hdparm stuff....
[01:22] <shingoki> ogra_dogwalk: I'm just struggling to edit anything ATM, it takes about 30 seconds to read/write anything on drive
[01:22] <shingoki> I'm quite impressed it manages at all
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: hmmm... but this could solve it.... a bootoption like nolapic could probably help or pci=noacpi etc.....
[01:22] <__daniel> shingoki: your hard disk is alright?
[01:22] <shingoki> __daniel: I think so, unless it just suddently decided to go.
[01:22] <LinuxJones> What file can I edit to stop modules from loading like vesafb and agpgart ?
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> LinuxJones: /etc/hotplug/blacklist i think
[01:22] <shingoki> ogra_dogwalk: I'll see what happens when I boot this time
[01:22] <shingoki> ogra_dogwalk: It's still not happy
[01:22] <LinuxJones> ogra_dogwalk, I tried that already :(
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: with the hdparm entry ?
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: try the edit option in grub and try different boot options
[01:22] <shingoki> ogra_dogwalk: I'll try that now, I just set the driver back to ati, to see if I could boot in normal mode
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> shingoki: k
[01:22] <ogra_dogwalk> brb
[01:22] <shingoki> ogra_dogwalk: Thanks for help btw ;)
[01:22] <D0wnXcaST> I'm a real newbi with linux taht want to learn :) . I just installed ubuntu 4.10 on my pc, and i would like to know if there is any good documentations or tutos on how to config my internet, and other stuff like that good for newbies like me ?
[01:22] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, >> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#gettingstarted
[01:22] <D0wnXcaST> thanks! ill check this out and try to configure my internet so i can look on web for docs to help me out
[01:23] <LinuxJones> :)
[01:23] <Cloudchaser> woohoo! i just hooked up cordless mouse on ubuntu and it worked!
[01:26] <Charbax> I have corless too.. but cannot install ubuntu yet
[01:26] <Cloudchaser> its awesome
[01:27] <Cloudchaser> i installed it yesterday
[01:27] <stvn> what options are there to mess with apci/apm in grub
[01:27] <Charbax> for now I'm not impressed with cordless and optical.. that blinking red light is driving me nuts
[01:27] <stvn> I remember pci=noapci and noapic, but there are more iirc
[01:28] <__daniel> Charbax: take the mouse out of your face and put it back on the mouse pad :-)
[01:28] <wasabi__> Where is the LANGUAGE environmental variable established by ubuntu?
[01:28] <wasabi__> Mine is setting to en_GB, when I choose en_US at installation.
[01:28] <stvn> Charbax: I hope your mouse has an off button, otherwise you''l be awake the entire night watching that marveloous red light ;)
[01:29] <__daniel> wasabi__: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:31] <Cloudchaser> mine's not optical
[01:31] <wasabi__> odd. locales debconf is set to en_US
[01:31] <Faustus> who was I talking to about rss-glx and xscreensaver last night?
[01:31] <D0wnXcaST> linuxjones, can i have irc with linux ?
[01:31] <wasabi__> but my language env var is still wrong
[01:31] <stvn> D0wnXcaST: eh?
[01:31] <wasabi__> Ahh! /etc/environment
[01:31] <wasabi__> it lists en_GB
[01:31] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, >> yes xchat is awesome it's available for windows too I think
[01:31] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[01:31] <shingoki> Charbax: Optical mice are great, and if the red light irritates you, there must be some that dont have it, or you can tape over the back, it doens't do aything. cordless stuff is generally awful though
[01:31] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, >> there must be 1,000 irc clients for Linux :D
[01:31] <D0wnXcaST> I'm presently on my windows partition, because i didnt configure my internet on ubuntu yet. I'll have to find out how, because my cable modem is usb
[01:31] <D0wnXcaST> ok ! I'm real new to linux stuff , but i think i'll learn a lot
[01:31] <Charbax> maybe cordless headset, but this mouse.. even when I take out the batteries it keeps blinking like a bicycle backlight.. I think I'm gonna throw it out the window
[01:31] <Charbax> and use tabs
[01:31] <D0wnXcaST> first tghing i would liek , is to config. my internet on linux so i could work and read docs in linux
[01:31] <__daniel> Charbax: :-))
[01:31] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, you will learn alot about computers using Linux.
[01:32] <shingoki> D0wnXcaST: That could be interesting... I've got a USB ADSL modem that works though
[01:32] <shingoki> D0wnXcaST: If you can get one, a nice cable modem with ethernet connection and built in firewall would be a nice thing to have and a lot easier to set up ;)
[01:33] <D0wnXcaST> ok, my modem as the 2 option, usb or ethernet. would it be easier for me if i use the ehternet port instead of usb?
[01:33] <Agrajag> yes
[01:33] <Satz_AFK> oh yeah
[01:33] <Agrajag> why the hell would you use usb, that's horrible
[01:33] <Satz_AFK> way easier
[01:33] <D0wnXcaST> Agrajag: because i used my ethernet card for my xbox
[01:35] <D0wnXcaST> anyway, i'll unplug it and use it for internet
[01:35] <shingoki> Agrajag: The USB adsl modem I have was free, it works well, and it's plugged into a smoothwall which I trust way more than a combined ADSL-firewall router
[01:35] <Satz_AFK> 2nd hand pci nics are cheap... $2-3
[01:35] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, can you plug a network cable into your cable modem or is it only usb ?
[01:35] <Satz_AFK> buy another one
[01:35] <D0wnXcaST> LinuxJones>: sure, i can
[01:35] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, do that and reboot :)
[01:35] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[01:35] <shingoki> D0wnXcaST: How do you use an ethernet card for xbox? You mean you used a patch cable to link pc to xbox, and shared pc connection with xbox?
[01:35] <D0wnXcaST> yes
[01:35] <D0wnXcaST> thats it
[01:35] <shingoki> D0wnXcaST: Ah, in that case what you need is a switch, you should get one ;)
[01:35] <Agrajag> just get another NIC
[01:35] <Agrajag> no
[01:35] <D0wnXcaST> linuxjones, in a few minutes, ill do what you said, plus modem with a network cable, than reboot
[01:35] <Agrajag> a switch would do no good
[01:35] <shingoki> D0wnXcaST: then you can have the xbox and PC both on the network
[01:39] <shingoki> Agrajag: Of course it would
 i know :)
[01:39] <Agrajag> he'd only get one IP address from his ISP, most likely.
[01:39] <shingoki> Agrajag: That is why god invented NAT
[01:39] <Agrajag> shingoki: then he need s anat box, not a switch.
[01:39] <Cloudchaser> a linksys-type  router with switchports
[01:39] <Agrajag> yes
[01:39] <shingoki> Agrajag: He can run the NAT on his PC, much cheaper to get a plan switch
[01:39] <shingoki> plan = plain
[01:39] <Cloudchaser> for 35.00 linksys is easier
[01:39] <shingoki> Well if he can get a cheap good firewalling NAT router then that would be good too, but I can't say I've ever found one ;)
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> and less screwing around
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> shingoki: I have a linksys WRT54GS
[01:39] <D0wnXcaST> Linuxjones: is there any other docs than the unofficial ubuntu installation guide that could help me ?
[01:39] <D0wnXcaST> getting started &
[01:39] <shingoki> HrdwrBoB: I'm not a security expert, but doesn't that have lots of known vulnerabilities?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> it cost $155 AUD, it runs full linux (openWRT) has four 10/100 ports, b/g wireless and is aroute
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> router
[01:39] <shingoki> Ah ok if you replaced the firmware ;)
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> shingoki: no
[01:39] <ogra_dogwalk> D0wnXcaST: look at the wiki
[01:39] <ogra_dogwalk> D0wnXcaST: there is a lot info
[01:39] <D0wnXcaST> i took a look at it yesterday, but not enough, i'll have to check this out again.
[01:39] <D0wnXcaST> info for noobds like me ?
[01:39] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[01:39] <shingoki> I'm running a little EPIA board I had around anyway, so it wasn't very expensive/hard to make a PC router
[01:39] <Cloudchaser> HrdwrBoB, i haven't seen that
[01:39] <LinuxJones> D0wnXcaST, ya wiki will kepp you busy :)
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> but it takes next to no power, it doesn't crash, etc etc
[01:39] <D0wnXcaST> great
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> Cloudchaser: it's a neat little package
[01:39] <shingoki> HrdwrBoB: Well, same for the EPIA, but I have to say I wouldn't mind one of those instead, I assumed you were running original crappy firmware
[01:40] <D0wnXcaST> so , ill try to go and config my internet over ubuntu, and ill be back
[01:40] <D0wnXcaST> :)
[01:40] <D0wnXcaST> thanks guys
[01:40] <Cloudchaser> HrdwrBoB, did it come like that?
[01:40] <shingoki> EPIA takes about 80watts I think, and I don't think its ever crashed
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> shingoki: even the original firmware is fine
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> Cloudchaser: not with openWRT on it, but apart from that
[01:40] <shingoki> HrdwrBoB: I'd just heard bad things about it, might be another model but I thought it had a back door
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> it has a backdoor that allows you to update the firmware
[01:41] <Cloudchaser> did you put the openWRT on it?
[01:41] <shingoki> HrdwrBoB: I don't think I would trust a proprietary router firmware, not if you can get an open one
[01:41] <imanewbie_> hum...
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> but that's only accessible from the local side
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> Cloudchaser: yes
[01:41] <imanewbie_> can I run a irc client from my terminal?
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> imanewbie_: yes, run 'irssi'
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> heh, and you can even install irssi on the router :)
[01:43] <imanewbie_> HrdwrBoB: time to rtfm
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> HrdwrBoB, thats very interesting
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> i googled for it..i might have to put that on my list to try
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> Cloudchaser: the WRT54GS has 8mb flash and 32mb ram
[01:43] <KeithWeisshar> the list of isa nic cards only appear when i install in expert mode
[01:43] <shingoki> I think the ubuntu startup sound hits the "brown note"
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> the WRT54G has less
[01:43] <HrdwrBoB> KeithWeisshar: this is because ISA is from the dark ages
[01:44] <KeithWeisshar> my computer is 6 years old
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> is it detected when not in expert mode?
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> if you want
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> I will send you a PCI NIC
[01:44] <HrdwrBoB> free
[01:44] <KeithWeisshar> i don't have any empty pci slots
[01:45] <imanewbie_> HrdwrBoB: I couldnt a find a 3 step tutorial :p
[01:45] <imanewbie_> HrdwrBoB: I'm too lazy to think now
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> imanewbie_: for irssi?
[01:46] <KeithWeisshar> should i reinstall ubuntu in expert mode
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> no need
[01:46] <imanewbie_> HrdwrBoB: yes
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> what card is ot
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> it
[01:46] <KeithWeisshar> 3c509b
[01:46] <imanewbie_> HrdwrBoB: How do  I join this room with that?
[01:46] <KeithWeisshar> etherlink iii
[01:46] <HrdwrBoB> imanewbie_: in 3 seconds, you want /connect to connect to a new server, /join #channel to join channels
[01:47] <KeithWeisshar> how do i configure dhcp after modprobing 3c509
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> KeithWeisshar: if you have run the modprobe and it's fine
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> add it to /etc/modules
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> then run network-admin
[01:48] <HrdwrBoB> sudo network-admin
[01:48] <KeithWeisshar> how do i load the sound driver
[01:48] <KeithWeisshar> it's an onboad isapnp
[01:48] <_Imanewbie_> done!
[01:48] <_Imanewbie_> hi
[01:48] <KeithWeisshar> how do i load the alsa driver for the cs4235
[01:48] <_Imanewbie_> 123 testing
[01:48] <_Imanewbie_> anyone there?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> hey newbie
[01:49] <_Imanewbie_> wee
[01:49] <_Imanewbie_> Cool stuff!
[01:49] <_Imanewbie_> how do I change the actual active window?
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> alt+0,1,2,3,4 etc
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> to close a query window is /unq
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> when you /part a channel it auto closes the window
[01:50] <_Imanewbie_> cool
[01:51] <_Imanewbie_> it seems very interesting
[01:51] <HrdwrBoB> irssi is good
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> if you run it with 'screen'
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> eg: screen irssi
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> you can press ctrl-a, then d
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> it detaches it
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> and screen -r
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> reattaches it
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> so you can restart X, come on from an ssh session, etc
[01:52] <HrdwrBoB> and still use it
[01:53] <Xenguy> HrdwrBoB: heh - didn't know about the /unq trick
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> Xenguy: :)
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> leanr something new every day
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> what were you doing?
[01:53] <Xenguy> aye :-)
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> leaving them to stack up? :)
[01:53] <Xenguy> HrdwrBoB: basically, yeah
[01:53] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[01:53] <shingoki> I swear I will never buy another ATi graphics card
[01:54] <Xenguy> shingoki: how come?
[01:54] <Xenguy> shingoki: (just curious)
[01:55] <shingoki> Xenguy: Because I must have spent a few working days worth of hours trying to get my card goin under linux, and it jsut isn't funny any more
[01:55] <shingoki> Xenguy: Apparently the nvidia cards are back to being better bang for buck anyway
[01:56] <shingoki> Xenguy: I don't want to support a company that thinks good drivers for all platforms are a luxury
[01:56] <_Imanewbie_>  fogo
[01:56] <Xenguy> shingoki: nod (all my vid cards are crap, so I don't know one way or another)
[01:56] <_Imanewbie_> woops sorry wrong tab
[01:57] <_Imanewbie_> every day I get happier with linux
[01:57] <_Imanewbie_> I can't figure out how I could have lost so much time with Windows
[01:58] <shingoki> Xenguy: When I got my card, a 9800, it was a good deal better performance than the nvidia card at the same price. Apparently the nvidia 6600 (i think thats the right number) is good and cheap at the moment
[01:58] <Cloudchaser> i'd be happier with linux if i could get my gps apps to work on it
[01:58] <shingoki> _Imanewbie_: Yeah linux rocks :) And the only ways in which it doesn't rock are entirely the fault of M$ and hardware makers ;)
[01:58] <_Imanewbie_> Cloudchaser: why do you need a gps on your pc?
[01:58] <Cloudchaser> i don't
[01:59] <Cloudchaser> i use a gps and the mapping software is windows only
[01:59] <_Imanewbie_> shingoki: I've tried ubuntu, slackware, and debian
[02:00] <shingoki> _Imanewbie_: You have my respect for managing to install debian if you are a linux newbie ;)
[02:00] <_Imanewbie_> slack is the best one to learn, but I was in need of a fast and easy to use distro, so i've tried sarge, it was a PAIN to install, I lost a role afternoon to set up x and finally figure out that that crap dhcp tool couldnt discover my addres
[02:01] <_Imanewbie_> so I couldnt apt-get stuff
[02:01] <GotD0t> how do i check FPS in hoary
[02:01] <__daniel> good night
[02:01] <shingoki> _Imanewbie_: Yeah I did the same thing with sarge, it's great that there is stuff like ubuntu and mepis and knoppix now, so you don't have to go through the hell of the debian install
[02:01] <ogra> night all
[02:01] <shingoki> ogra: Night ;)
[02:02] <_Imanewbie_> than Ive tried debian CDD-br wich is also a sarge custom distro, and that crap found my dhcp but I was unable to set the x up
[02:02] <ogra> nacht __daniel
[02:02] <shingoki> ogra: hda all right again now, not sure why, it kinda fixed itself, so I set the hdparms as well for luck ;)
[02:02] <shingoki> ogra: Given up on ati driver, it's evil
[02:02] <plasmo> GotD0t: you could try glxgears but thats pretty unreliable ;)
[02:02] <_Imanewbie_> so a friend of mine said me to give ubuntu a chance, well I feel I'm using debian. I'm very happy, it is a light distro I dont feel kinda using a red hat or conectiva
[02:03] <KeithWeisshar> i got my isa nic working
[02:03] <ogra> shingoki: it should work.... though
[02:03] <KeithWeisshar> 3c509 in /etc/modules and network-admin
[02:03] <GotD0t> what config file does hoary use for X
[02:03] <shingoki> ogra: It should, but you have to remember what ati linux driver is like, I didn't really expect it to work
[02:03] <KeithWeisshar> is network-admin available on the start menu
[02:03] <_Imanewbie_> GotD0t : xfree86-4
[02:03] <shingoki> _Imanewbie_: Redhat is pretty crappy.
[02:03] <plasmo> hoary = /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:04] <ogra> shingoki: it works for some hundrets of ppl currently...
[02:04] <GotD0t> plasmo: are you sure... i dont see xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[02:04] <shingoki> _Imanewbie_: I know its kind of minimalist when you install it but AFAICT you can get everything you could get for redhat pretty easily
[02:04] <plasmo> are you using hoary?
[02:04] <KeithWeisshar> i still can't get the sound to work
[02:04] <plasmo> or warty
[02:04] <shingoki> ogra: Really? The accelerated 3D driver, not the plain ATI 2D one?
[02:04] <GotD0t> plasmo: yea i am
[02:04] <_Imanewbie_> GotD0t: look for XFree86config-4
[02:04] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu gives an error no soundcards found when loading alsa-ctl
[02:04] <shingoki> ogra: I didn't think a hundred people in the world, on any distro, had got the ati drivers to work
[02:05] <ogra> shingoki: the ati binary one from the wiki on warty
[02:05] <KeithWeisshar> what do i need to do to configure the isa soundcard
[02:05] <shingoki> ogra: Maybe its just me then ;) I went through the steps exactly, doesn't work.
[02:06] <_Imanewbie_> I think all distros are cool as long as they have a nice phylosophy
[02:06] <_Imanewbie_> kind a reason to be like they are
[02:06] <ogra> shingoki: so you probably should file a bug then...some of the X-Men could care then :)
[02:06] <shingoki> ogra: But I've only heard horrible horrible things about the binary drivers, in terms of them depending on having different settings on different hardware, so I may just have hardware that the drivers dont like. Maybe because it is an nforce2 board. ANyway thanks for help ;)
[02:06] <plasmo> if you did a dist-upgrade to hoary you should have x.org then :d
[02:06] <shingoki> ogra: X-Men?
[02:07] <plasmo> unless u just did a  apt-get upgrade
[02:07] <ogra> shingoki: daniles or fabbione
[02:07] <ogra> oops
[02:07] <ogra> daniels i meant
[02:08] <ogra> shingoki: the ubuntu X hackers :)
[02:08] <KeithWeisshar> i'm in ubuntu xchat now
[02:08] <shingoki> ogra: I certainly don't mind filing a bug report, but at the moment it would just say, "doesn't work" ;) I could dig around to see what is going wrong but I have spent so much time on different distros trying to get stupid ati card to work, I don't want it to claim any more of my soul ;)
[02:08] <plasmo> lol
[02:08] <KeithWeisshar> i got the internet working but need to work on the sound
[02:08] <KeithWeisshar> there is only one more isa device that needs to be setup
[02:08] <KeithWeisshar> it's the onboard chip\
[02:09] <ogra> shingoki: if  ("doesn't work")  == bug.... in ubuntu !
[02:09] <KeithWeisshar> it's a cs4235
[02:09] <shingoki> ogra: I just got to the point today where stuff is mostly working, finally managed to record sound under linux, yay!
[02:09] <shingoki> ogra: I'm just guessing that it wouldn't be much help unless I gave the error logs and stuff ;)
[02:09] <KeithWeisshar> what version of alsa does ubuntu ship with
[02:09] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: you need the snd-cs4236 module and the snd-mixer-oss module
[02:10] <shingoki> oh ogra, can I bother you with one more problem?
[02:10] <ogra> shingoki: they could ask you.....for that ....
[02:10] <shingoki> ogra: Okee dokee where do I report bug?
[02:10] <ogra> shingoki: but only a short one, its 2:10am  here
[02:10] <_Imanewbie_> How many ppl here studies computer science?
[02:11] <_Imanewbie_> I know it is off-topic so if it is wrong sorry
[02:11] <ogra> shingoki: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[02:11] <KeithWeisshar> apt-get upgrade alsa
[02:11] <plasmo> mmm cs. friend of mine does it :)
[02:11] <_Imanewbie_> I'm tired of it, I study like a moron and get bombed in tests
[02:11] <HrdwrBoB> I went to unit for a while
[02:11] <D0wnXcaST> I'm back, but with no success. I'm trying to get my cable modem to work in ubuntu, and i'm not able at all. anyone has some docs taht could help me?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> er uni
[02:12] <shingoki> ogra: Heh it's 1:10am here :) Ok super-quick - I've got a crappy soundcard in my PC now, 8738 thingy I think, it works for recording line-in, finally :) But soundblaster live 5.1 didn't work, neither did turtle beach one
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> D0wnXcaST: more information
[02:12] <shingoki> ogra: Is it a known thing that some sound cards just won't record?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> what cable modem
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> what provider
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> what error
[02:12] <D0wnXcaST> HrdwrBoB: ok, my modem cable is link to my pc via my ethernet card
[02:12] <ogra> shingoki: hmm, never used a mic on linux.....5.1 neither
[02:13] <_Imanewbie_> doesnt this client saves passed conversation?
[02:13] <D0wnXcaST> and i'm trying to config. it, but doesnt seem to work. some time the app to config network in ubuntu does an error and ask me if i want to restart application
[02:13] <Kirsch> hey guys, is there a good file compare program that shows the differences line by line? diff kinda sux
[02:13] <D0wnXcaST> bob: in windows, my ethernet config are at automatic ip and dns. in linux i tried auto DHCP and didnt work
[02:14] <_Imanewbie_> Kirsch: I think kdeveloper has this option
[02:14] <D0wnXcaST> do i have anything else to config ?
[02:14] <shingoki> ogra: Ah well ;) I was trying to record from mic and also line-in
[02:14] <KeithWeisshar> why do i get command not found when running alsaconf
[02:14] <epod> that was so weird.
[02:14] <ogra> Kirsch: meld
[02:14] <ogra> KeithWeisshar: its not used in ubuntu
[02:14] <epod> D0wnXcaST, ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ifconfig eth0 up
[02:14] <ogra> night guys
[02:14] <epod> er
[02:15] <epod> D0wnXcaST, ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 up
[02:15] <plasmo> night dude
[02:15] <KeithWeisshar> is there any way to configure the isa soundcard
[02:15] <shingoki> night ogra
 : ??? sorry, i'm realy new to linux
[02:15] <KeithWeisshar> when ubuntu loads alsactl it gives a soundcard not found error
[02:15] <D0wnXcaST> epod, is it a command that i have to write in console ?
[02:16] <epod> D0wnXcaST, type the following: sudo ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 up
[02:16] <plasmo> downxcat: yes
[02:16] <epod> D0wnXcaST, yes, see if that brings up your ethernet with DHCP
[02:16] <KeithWeisshar> how do i configure the crystal cs4235 sound chip
[02:16] <KeithWeisshar> it's an isapnp chip
[02:16] <KeithWeisshar> the port is 534, irq is 5 and dma is 1
[02:16] <D0wnXcaST> epod, ok, so i have to write ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ifconfig eth0 up. in the console ?
[02:17] <plasmo> yes :D
[02:17] <KeithWeisshar> sndconfig
[02:17] <epod> D0wnXcaST, you'll need to write 'sudo ifconfig eth0 down ; dhclient eth0 ; ifconfig eth0 up' without the quotes
[02:17] <D0wnXcaST> ok,
[02:17] <D0wnXcaST> ill try this
[02:17] <D0wnXcaST> what sudo for ?
[02:17] <epod> sudo lets you do things as root
[02:17] <epod> your user account won't be able to bring up and down ethernet interfaces
[02:18] <lancelott> you can do su -c "command here" if you don't have sudo or are not wheel
[02:18] <epod> lancelott, how could someone on ubuntu not have sudo? ;)
[02:18] <lancelott> dunno
[02:18] <KeithWeisshar> how do i configure the isa sound
[02:18] <epod> good point though.
[02:18] <plasmo> its disabled by default :>
[02:18] <epod> KeithWeisshar, ummm... no idea.
[02:18] <Riddell> Kirsch: kdiff, kompare
[02:19] <Riddell> kdiff3
[02:19] <KeithWeisshar> it's a crystal cs4235 chip
[02:19] <D0wnXcaST> epod, should those command config my ethernet card ?
[02:19] <epod> D0wnXcaST, if it uses DHCP, yeah.
[02:19] <D0wnXcaST> anyway, thanks, ill reboot to linux and give it a try. thanks
[02:19] <D0wnXcaST> ok
[02:20] <epod> and as long as your kernel is *seeing* your card, i.e. has support for it
[02:20] <epod> oh.  he left.
[02:20] <Faustus> does anyone know if the fix for rage 128 cards and OpenGL (wich xscreensaver apparetly uses) are submitted to testing?
[02:21] <_Imanewbie_> Dudes do you think a 64-bit athlon worths its cost?
[02:22] <georgia> _Imanewbie_: depends what you plan to do with it really. if you're just an average user, browse the web, some email, listen to music, etc, probably not.
[02:22] <speel> any one know where i can find some decent games?
[02:23] <plasmo> wat kind of games
[02:23] <speel> prefrably first person
[02:23] <plasmo> enemy terroritory
[02:23] <plasmo> ut2004
[02:24] <speel> yea enemy territory has a multiplayer demo does ut have a demo out?
[02:24] <_Imanewbie_> georgia: I'm a computer science student, I kinda *need* a got hardware currently I have an AMD Thlon XP 2000+ 256 MB RAM and a GeForce FX 5200 Video Card, and I'm kinda happy with it, but I got some money to spare, so I tought about investing it on pc
[02:24] <plasmo> http://www.3dgamers.com/games/wolfensteinet/downloads/
[02:24] <plasmo> enemy terrority is full game.lol theres no demo
[02:25] <speel> yea there is theres a multiplayer demo
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> there is?
[02:25] <georgia> _Imanewbie_: if you're happy with what you have you almost certainly have no reason to upgrade to 64 bit, put some more RAM in your machine, maybe add disk space.
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> the whole thing is purely multiplayer
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> and free
[02:25] <speel> then why do they sell it in stores?
[02:25] <HrdwrBoB> _Imanewbie_: a PC is not an investment :)
[02:26] <epod> More ram is always good.
[02:26] <_Imanewbie_> I was thinking about a new video card but I cant see 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 colours so I dont need a 256  MB one
[02:27] <plasmo> think about halflife2 :)
[02:27] <housetier> ouch
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> _Imanewbie_: if you play games
[02:27] <calamari_> hi
[02:27] <HrdwrBoB> a 5200 is ... little more than garbage
[02:28] <calamari_> hope you're not talking about the Atari 5200 :)
[02:28] <plasmo> fx5200 aint good :/
[02:28] <_Imanewbie_> JrdwrBoB I dont play, mostly cause I was unable to find a decent game in ages
[02:28] <_Imanewbie_> Dudes keep in mind I live in brazil, stuff is expensive here
[02:29] <calamari_> _Imanewbie_: MAME
[02:30] <_Imanewbie_> calamari_ ?
[02:30] <plasmo> all i need is a nice 3d mmorpg
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> _Imanewbie_: order it from US
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> get it shipped
[02:30] <evandro> hi !!! can anyone help me on a small problem ? I'm trying to set the backgrounds of ion frames using a picture. I've been trying to use "xsetroot -bitmap filename" at my .xinitrc but it doesn't work. is there another aproach ?
[02:30] <plasmo> mame is a nice emulator
[02:30] <evandro> of course I'm using ubuntu
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> evandro: right click on desktop, change desktop background?
[02:30] <evandro> and ion = ion window manager
[02:31] <evandro> HrdwrBoB, no...i think ion it's not so easy and I would like to change this at my .xinitrc. is it possible ?
[02:31] <calamari_> I don't have Ubuntu yet (ordered the cd), but I'm prepping what I'll need to install.  The docs say that I won't be able to play MP3's.. Doesn't xmms play them, or is the mp3 plugin not available?
[02:31] <plasmo> gstreamer0.8.mad or something
[02:31] <MagicFab> Hello
[02:32] <plasmo> hold on. ill check
[02:32] <calamari_> plasmo: yeah.. I'm also glad that I can buy licensed games for it so I'm not pirating
[02:32] <plasmo> 'gstreamer0.8-mad' for mp3
[02:32] <georgia> _Imanewbie_: more memory is a good bet then, if you dont play many games its either memory or disk space, and your machine will last you a fair while longer
[02:32] <MagicFab> I'd like to install the "murasaki" package, but it selects a bunch of things to be removed, including ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop meta-p[ackages... why is this ?
[02:33] <georgia> i'm getting by on a 1GHZ machine, because it does what i need it to do, i even still make REGULAR use of a 200MHz machine, whic is more than powerful enough for what i use it for
[02:33] <epod> I just downgraded from a 3.2ghz P4 to a 2.8
[02:33] <epod> the 3.2 was a notebook.. dumb thing was just too heavy/huge/bad battery life
[02:34] <jdub> MagicFab: it probably conflicts with packages in our seeds
[02:35] <MagicFab> the usbmgr package does that too...
[02:35] <jdub> MagicFab: it conflicts with hotplug
[02:35] <jdub> why would you want to install it?
[02:35] <jdub> hotplug is the supported tool to do that (and the leading choice)
[02:35] <MagicFab> it supports my scanner.
[02:36] <MagicFab> mhhh...
[02:36] <jdub> that's probably just a matter of getting device ids into hotplug or the module
[02:36] <MagicFab> I'm really new to hardware problems.. ;)
[02:36] <MagicFab> not sure how to go about that.
[02:37] <jdub> well, you probably don't need to deal with it
[02:37] <jdub> just load the kernel module for your scanner
[02:37] <calamari_> how big are the universe and multiverse archives?
[02:37] <MagicFab> the murasaki package seems to be maintained, though
[02:37] <jdub> as is hotplug :)
[02:38] <MagicFab> well, I wouldn't know how to "just load the kernel module for my scanner"
[02:38] <jdub> what kind of scanner do you have?
[02:39] <MagicFab> Visoneer OneTouch 5300 USB
[02:39] <_Imanewbie_> wich is the best athlon I can run in a A7S333
[02:39] <_Imanewbie_> ?
[02:39] <MagicFab> bug report: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3254
[02:40] <MagicFab> sane has an ID but can't use it
[02:41] <plasmo> calamari : u havent installed ubuntu yet? :-)
[02:41] <D0wnXcaST> NICE :) Im presently on linux ! :) thanks to youguys ! that config in the terminal work just fine
[02:42] <plasmo> nice to hear that downxcast :P
[02:42] <D0wnXcaST> thanks :)
[02:42] <MagicFab> D-cast: bienvenue au club :D
[02:42] <speel> hey i have a question how do you install a metacity theme?
[02:43] <D0wnXcaST> MagicFab, merci ! comment sais-tu que je suis francais ^ :)
[02:43] <MagicFab> jdub: don't leave me here, excited ;)
[02:43] <D0wnXcaST> ok ! lol :)
[02:43] <plasmo> computer > desktop perf > themes > install
[02:43] <speel> o ok i thaught there was a special way
[02:43] <MagicFab> d-Cast: mc.videotron.ca c'est vident ;)
[02:44] <D0wnXcaST> oui , je vien de voir ca aussi :)
[02:45] <speel> man french is currently my worst class lol
[02:46] <plasmo> such a hot day down here in australia -_-
[02:47] <MagicFab> jdub: if you find an answer, it'd be nice you add it to my bug report
[02:47] <speel> freezing here in nyc :(
[02:47] <plasmo> i would kill for snow lol
[02:48] <epod> plasmo, we have plenty up here in northern canada
[02:48] <MagicFab> Does anyone know how to do a  with a "non-deadkeys" keyboard ?
[02:48] <speel> lol
[02:49] <MagicFab> sorry... "us w/deadkeys"
[02:50] <cyberdrek> MagicFab, ton prnom serait-il Fabian Rodriguez? (excuse moi si j'ai mal peler le nom de famille)
[02:50] <Cloudchaser> heya everyone, anyone up for another newbie question?
[02:51] <_Imanewbie_> Cloudchaser: we all are =)
[02:51] <plasmo> go ahead
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> i installed wine from the repos...tried to install an app
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> err:dc:CreateDCW no driver found for L"WINEPS"
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> fixme:winspool:AddPrinterW DocumentPropertiesW on printer 'L"LaserJet-6MP"' fails
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> err:dc:CreateDCW no driver found for L"WINEPS"
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> got that error
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> i googed for it
[02:51] <speel> what installation path should i install et?
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> googled
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> what i found said something about a driver being missing
[02:51] <Cloudchaser> or wine printing
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> it said to get a binary from winehq
[02:52] <plasmo> wat prog u installing
[02:52] <plasmo> are you trying to install microsoft word in wine? lol :D
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> no
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> a game
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> i know it will work in wine
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> did it before a while ago
[02:52] <Cloudchaser> just don't know what to do about that error
[02:53] <_Imanewbie_> hey guys thx for everything I gtg cya
[02:53] <plasmo> never seen that error before ?_?
[02:53] <Cloudchaser> can i get wine from wine hq and compile it myself with a default installation?
[02:54] <plasmo> hold on. someone compiled the lastest wine for ubuntu. ill get a link
[02:54] <Cloudchaser> oh thank you ;)
[02:54] <plasmo> ;-)
[02:55] <plasmo> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=118894&package_id=135906&release_id=283484
[02:55] <Cloudchaser> ok so now the question is...if i've installed from a repos
[02:55] <plasmo> yah
[02:56] <Cloudchaser> do i uninstall the one i have?
[02:56] <plasmo> apt-get remove ?
[02:56] <melazyboy> are the fglrx drivers available to xorg yet?
[02:57] <Cloudchaser> which one of those in the list do i get? do i have to get all fo them?
[02:57] <plasmo> i think wine_0.0.20041019-1.3_i386.deb
[02:58] <plasmo> wine-utils_0.0.20041019-1.3_i386.deb
[02:58] <jdub> melazyboy: see daniels's post to ubuntu-users
[02:58] <plasmo> the rest are libs
[02:58] <melazyboy> I was talking to daniel, earlier today i gave him 2 links, where is his post located?
[02:58] <plasmo> libwine-print might solve your problem ?:x
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> ok please forgive my ignorance...
[02:59] <Cloudchaser> if i download those 2 packages
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> it will tell me if i have a dependency?
[03:00] <Cloudchaser> debian is new to me so i have to look up how to do things ;)
[03:01] <plasmo> dpkg -i file.deb and itll tell you
[03:01] <plasmo> thats to install the file . if theres any dependency it should show
[03:03] <plasmo> are you using hoary?
[03:03] <melazyboy> jdub: I was talking to daniel, earlier today i gave him 2 links, where is his post located?
[03:04] <vpalle> hmm.. when executing mplayer it just crashes.. i got it from "multiverse"
[03:04] <kandinski> hey
[03:05] <jdub> melazyboy: on the ubuntu-users lsit
[03:05] <plasmo> vpalle: try gmplayer
[03:06] <vpalle> plasmo, same thing :(
[03:06] <plasmo> wat it say in console
[03:06] <vpalle> Illegal instruction
[03:06] <Cloudchaser> i got this error:
[03:06] <Cloudchaser>  wine depends on libwine (= 0.0.20041019-1.3); however:
[03:06] <Cloudchaser>   Version of libwine on system is 0.0.20040615-1ubuntu1.
[03:06] <Cloudchaser> so i must uninstall the one thats there
[03:06] <siimo> can ubuntu use debian packages for xfce4.2RC ?
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> and install the one from that link?
[03:07] <plasmo> mmm
[03:07] <siimo> or does hoary already have RC version
[03:07] <plasmo> yes
[03:07] <melazyboy> jdub, not seeing a user list...
[03:07] <cyberdrek> siimo, let me get you the adress of a great site for repositories to xfce. wait
[03:07] <Cloudchaser> oh boy what a can of worms
[03:08] <siimo> cyberdrek, is that the debian one? i already have it
[03:08] <Cloudchaser> removing libwine gives a depends error too
[03:08] <plasmo> you should have removed wine first lol
[03:08] <plasmo> ahh
[03:09] <cyberdrek> siimo, it's their own version with their own repos. go see. http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> i did
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> i removed it first
[03:09] <Cloudchaser> apparently it didn't remove everything
[03:09] <siimo> cyberdrek, yeah that one is what i was talking about
[03:10] <sg47_> hi fellas
[03:10] <cyberdrek> siimo, that's what I'm running right now on top of ubuntu which btw is based on debian so all debian repos work with it.
[03:10] <jdub> cyberdrek: we don't recommend mixing ubuntu and debian repositories. they *don't* all work with it.
[03:11] <cyberdrek> jdub, I've been using them together for 3 weeks now and everything is fine!
[03:11] <cyberdrek> jdub, and I do install and uninstall a great deal of apps.
[03:11] <Seq> is there anything by default that prevents postfix from receiving mail? I cannot even telnet to it from outside of this machine
[03:11] <sg47_> how do I connect to another machine on the same network?
[03:12] <jdub> cyberdrek: that won't always be the case. nevertheless, it is not something we suggest or encourage.
[03:14] <cyberdrek> jdub, the day that isn't the case is the day I will get rid of ubuntu and go back to strictly debian.
[03:14] <jdub> cyberdrek: that'd be today :)
[03:14] <cyberdrek> jdub, oh and as for what you guys recommend, I haven't seen any notices anywhere saying not to mix them.
[03:14] <jdub> ubuntu is a branch of sid
[03:14] <Cloudchaser> so do i have to search and remove any wine-related things that didn't get installed when i removed wine?
[03:15] <cyberdrek> jdub, you think you're teaching me something new! <
[03:15] <jdub> when sarge is sufficiently old, and there are deeper differences with sid, ubuntu will not be 'compatible' with those repositories
[03:15] <jdub> in much the same way that sarge is not compatible with the sid or woody repositories
[03:16] <sg47_> how do I connect to another machine on the same network?
[03:17] <MobyTurbo> jdub, actually, not precisely the same way - woody can be dist-upgraded to sarge or sid without many problems, the same isn't neccesarily the case for ubuntu & Debian repos.
[03:17] <lamont> Seq: you need to edit master.cf
[03:18] <lamont> there are 2 lines: 127.0.0.1:smtp and ::1:smtp that need to be tweaked.
[03:18] <lamont> comment one out, and remove the address from the other, and you've allowed smtp
[03:18] <jdub> MobyTurbo: in most cases, you'll be able to upgrade from an ubuntu release to sid fairly sanely.
[03:18] <jdub> at least for the forseeable future. :)
[03:18] <cyberdrek> jdub, wow, now I understand how repos work. oh btw, sid and sarge aren't compatible but even if you run sarge, you can still install sid apps at your own risk. Same thing for ubuntu repos and debian repos.
[03:18] <jdub> it's just a branch of sid, remember :)
[03:19] <jdub> cyberdrek: 'at your own risk', which is not something we'd suggest (obviously), and with less obvious compatibility between ubuntu and sid
[03:19] <lamont> jdub: better yet, if you have ubuntu and debian packages in your sources.list, and the same version exists in both repositories, you'll fetch one or the other randomly, with potentially interesting results.
[03:20] <cyberdrek> jdub, 'less obvious compatibility' my left foot.
[03:20] <Seq> lamont: thanks. I read man pages of tcpd related stuff twice, and was searching all over. what a simple issue :p
[03:20] <lamont> Seq: yeah - the issue is that by default, warty listens on _NOTHING_
[03:20] <lamont> well, no externally reachable ports anyway
[03:21] <jdub> lamont: yeah
[03:21] <lamont> cyberdrek: my preferred phrase for mixing debian and ubuntu repositories is "fraught with peril"
[03:21] <lamont> if you do mix them, you _REALLY_ want to use apt-preferences
[03:21] <jdub> cyberdrek: ubuntu is a branch of sid; woody and sarge are essentially versions on the same track.
[03:21] <Xenguy> lamont: a nice turn of phrase :-)
[03:22] <jdub> cyberdrek: there is less obvious compatibility between ubuntu and sid because we make changes that are... not compatible.
[03:22] <lamont> Xenguy: yeah - dunno where I picked that up, but it was years ago.  Very useful phrase.
[03:22] <melazyboy> Is there anyway to force the install of the fglrx deb file from apt without having it bitch about it being a broken package because of dependencies, im using xorg instead of xfree86
[03:22] <Xenguy> heheh
[03:22] <lamont> Xenguy: right up there with "Individuals of clue will note....."
[03:22] <lamont> melazyboy: one could file a bug, if it's really broken in hoary.
[03:23] <cyberdrek> jdub, blah blah blah blah
[03:23] <jdub> cyberdrek: also, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.7453904394/view?searchterm=debian
[03:23] <jdub> cyberdrek: i'm attempting to explain to you why we don't recommend it on this channel and elsewhere.
[03:23] <MobyTurbo> cyberdrek, jdub is one of the Ubuntu developers, just possibly he knows what he's talking about?
[03:24] <melazyboy> lamont: Its broken everyone knows it..
[03:24] <lamont> melazyboy: then I expect someone will upload a fixed version sometime soon.
[03:24] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: ooop =)
[03:24] <lamont> esp after I beat on him.
[03:24] <cyberdrek> jdub, as if that would change my ways of doing things. If it works. No matter who you are.
[03:24] <jdub> melazyboy: daniels posted about this on ubuntu-users
[03:25] <jdub> cyberdrek: if you can handle it, that's great; others do too. but please don't recommend it to others.
[03:25] <cyberdrek> MobyTurbo, I know.
[03:25] <lamont> cyberdrek: yes, it generally works.  But it can and does lead to an unknown state on your machine, that can be rather complicated to debug when it does break.
[03:25] <lamont> if daniels already posted about it, then I don't need to beat him.  cool.
[03:25] <HrdwrBoB> oh no, the beatings are necesarry
[03:25] <melazyboy> jdub, and i personally have asked you twice what is this ubuntu users your talking about, if your talking about the users.ubuntu.com/~daniels. that package comes with no instructions readme or build notes, he asked me to test it in the chat, refuses to message me personally or on aim...
[03:25] <GuBA> xfld desktop on Ubuntu ??
[03:26] <cyberdrek> jdub, I'll recomend what I know works.
[03:26] <gen> stupid question, how would i go about moving a directory in home, into another directory in /usr/lib, says can't replace it.
[03:26] <lamont> HrdwrBoB: but it's getting _BOORING___
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[03:26] <jdub> cyberdrek: right, and i'm explaining why it won't necessarily work, and why it's a bad idea.
[03:26] <HrdwrBoB> melazyboy: the testing packages there are intented to be used without documentation :)
[03:26] <jdub> melazyboy: go to the lists page (see the topic) and click on ubuntu-users.
[03:27] <lamont> cyberdrek: it is known to break under certain circumstances, and is therefore not recommended unless you're willing to debug your system out of major trouble at some point in the future.  It is certainly not a supported activityl.
[03:27] <gen>  how would i go about moving a directory in home, into another directory in /usr/lib
[03:28] <Xenguy> gen: that sounds like something you may not want to do
[03:28] <gen> xenguy, and why not?
[03:28] <lamont> gen: but to answer your question, be root and do the move
[03:28] <Xenguy> gen: meaning, it sounds like an odd thing to do generally (but of course I don't know your details)
[03:28] <gen> moving firefox install from home dir
[03:29] <gen> into old 9.3
[03:29] <gen> in warty
[03:29] <lamont> gen: generally speaking, you want the package manager to know what you've done with stuff under /usr... dropping stuff directly there doesn't tell dpkg about it...
[03:29] <cyberdrek> lamont, you guys are unbelievable. the day my system break, I'll stop using ubuntu altogether.
[03:29] <gen> how do i get a root account in ubuntu though, normally i'd use sudo but what if i want a root account
[03:29] <cyberdrek> oops breaks
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> gen: why do you need it?
[03:30] <cyberdrek> gen: sudo <command>
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> sudo passwd will set the root password
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> but you don't need it
[03:30] <HrdwrBoB> ever :)
[03:30] <gen> because when i use the gui installer for firefox 1.0 it won't let me install to anything but home dir
[03:30] <DracosX> agreed, if you really need a root shell (although you probably wouldn't), you can always sudo -s
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> cyberdrek, I assume you've never had a broken apt repository before. I have, though not with ubuntu, and it ain't pretty - you basically have to sometimes reinstall half your system to fix it.
[03:31] <melazyboy> Is there anyway to force the install of the fglrx deb file from apt without having it bitch about it being a broken package because of dependencies, im using xorg instead of xfree86
[03:31] <gen> so how would i go about puting 1.0 in the place of .9.3 on warty then
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> cyberdrek, since most of debian sid is part of ubuntu's official repositories, I have no reason to want to mess around with debian's repositories.
[03:32] <lamont> melazyboy: dpkg --force-depends fgl....deb
[03:32] <cyberdrek> MobyTurbo, I had plenty. I've been running debian and debian based system for a pretty long time and I did happen to have to spend two or three days to fix my system up. That's all part of using a system like deb.
[03:32] <lamont> melazyboy: of course, apt will fail to install dependencies after that if you don't deal with the issue
[03:32] <jdub> only if you do silly things :)
[03:32] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: no it's not
[03:32] <lamont> jdub:??
[03:32] <gen> so how would i go about puting 1.0 in the place of .9.3 on warty then..
[03:33] <DracosX> gen: sudo -s will spawn a root shell
[03:33] <jdub> lamont: "[breakage is]  all part of using a system like deb"
[03:33] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: and it's inconsiderate to recommend a reckless approach to people who may not have the skills to recover
[03:33] <cyberdrek> Xenguy, maybe not for you but keep using it and you will see..
[03:33] <MobyTurbo> cyberdrek, my problem was a PEBKEC problem, I assume yours was too - and you seem intent on repeating it.
[03:33] <melazyboy> lamont: Would apt fail if the only things its depending on is Xfree? and thats fake.
[03:33] <Xenguy> cyberdrek: I've been using it for ages - that's why I don't recommend reckless behaviour
[03:33] <lamont> jdub: 100% agreement here.  dpkg does very strong dependency management, and the folks who find that annoying tend to be the people who think it's perfectly normal to fight with a system for days to make it right.
[03:34] <lamont> jdub: if you do things right to start with, then it flows nicely, eh?
[03:34] <jdub> flows like mud!
[03:34] <cyberdrek> Xenguy, installing xfce4.2 from os-cillation is far from being reckless.<
[03:34] <lamont> melazyboy: if there are broken dependencies in the currently installed system, then apt bitches about them _ANY_ time it tries to resolve _ANY_ dependencies.
[03:34] <jdub> really flowey mud though
[03:35] <lamont> cyberdrek: that depends entirely on what using the extra repository is doing with your dependencies...
[03:35] <jdub> lamont: how long does OOo take to build on the i386 buildds?
[03:35] <lamont> 6 hurs
[03:35] <lamont> hours
[03:35] <jdub> ouch
[03:35] <jdub> man
[03:35] <lamont> 4 on the others
[03:35] <lamont> i386 builds arch: all, hence the extra time
[03:35] <hawk16> sup
[03:35] <jdub> even if i fix the depends now i won't get instant satisfaction
[03:36] <hawk16> is it possible to install video card drivers on the live cd?
[03:36] <lamont> hawk16: it should be possible...
[03:36] <gen> anyone know of that page that had a list of a whole bunch of howto's, white background..information like for java, azureus, everything. i can't remember the url and google can't fidn it, i was linked to it in here.
[03:36] <lamont> hawk16: however, note that apt's http method is broken on the live CD
[03:36] <hawk16> ok
[03:37] <cyberdrek> gen, http://www.tldp.org
[03:37] <lamont> hawk16: and /etc/apt/sources.list is completely useless
[03:37] <lamont> hawk16: that is, what's in it is kinda useless.
[03:37] <hawk16> yea
[03:37] <jdub> gen: an ubuntu page? probably the restricted formats page on the wiki
[03:37] <lamont> but ISTR that ftp methods do work
[03:37] <melazyboy> btw i just tried daniels package not just does it fail but for the same reason
[03:37] <gen> wasnt on ubuntu's site, but it was dedicated to ubuntu warty
[03:38] <cyberdrek> gen, sorry thought you were talking about tldp.
[03:39] <sebb> I try to install alsa-driver 1.0.7 with this command : ./configure --with-cards=audigyls --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install
[03:39] <sebb> But I receive this error: configure: error: Unsupported soundcard audigyls make all-deps
[03:39] <sebb> And Audigy Ls soundcards are supposed to be supported in alsa 1.0.7, (it's also in the list of available soundcards in ./configure --help)
[03:39] <sebb> Can somebody help me
[03:40] <sebb> (forget the make all-deps) I copied the line right after by mistake
[03:42] <lamont> jdub: from the stupid questions department...
[03:43] <lamont> new machine.  if I play a CD directly, it plays fine.  rip it and play the .ogg and it sounds like crap.  why is that?
[03:43] <jdub> lamont: sound card?
[03:43] <lamont> sis
[03:43] <jdub> so, some sound cards don't put the CD audio through any processing
[03:44] <lamont> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[03:44] <lamont> ah.  But would maybe have issues with the capture
[03:44] <jdub> whereas pcm audio might go through stupid 3d, bass, treble kind of things
[03:44] <lamont> so do AC97 modems work on warty?
[03:44] <jdub> and all kinds of other wacked out audio tweakage
[03:45] <Faustus> no usb scanner users?
[03:45] <jdub> lamont: do you have a cd player that does digital reading? (ripping for playing)
[03:45] <jdub> lamont: i think there's an xmms plugin that does it
[03:45] <lamont> brand new cheap-crap frys special
[03:45] <jdub> try that, see if it sounds like arse
[03:45] <jdub> sorry, mean software cd player
[03:46] <lamont> ah, so try xmms playing instead of 'CD Player"?
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> plasmo, are you still here?
[03:46] <jdub> if you have the xmms thing that does extraction for playing
[03:46] <plasmo> hey
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> the link you gave me seemed to take care of that error
[03:46] <Cloudchaser> but now i got another one
[03:46] <plasmo> alrite
[03:46] <lamont> jdub: OK.  something to have her try tomorrow (and yes, that's why it matters...)
[03:46] <plasmo> lol
[03:47] <jdub> lamont: :)
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[03:47] <Cloudchaser> to set the screen resolution and remove the "Resolution" entry in the config file
[03:48] <plasmo> is this the error for the game ur running or wine
[03:49] <sladen> Cloudchaser: you mean read the windows registry on install?
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> ok i''m installing a game with wine
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> i got that error while installing
[03:49] <Cloudchaser> not quite sure about how to fix it..going to go look in the wine configuration file and see if i can get an idea
[03:50] <Cloudchaser> no idea how to edit a registry file in wine ;)
[03:50] <plasmo> try and hash out ## the "Resolution" = "96" in config
[03:50] <plasmo> maybe might help
[03:50] <plasmo> i mean ;;
[03:51] <Cloudchaser> right but there's also this part:  Please use the registry key HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[03:51] <Cloudchaser> to set the screen resolution
[03:51] <wasabi__> Is 'ssh-agent' suppose to work? ;)
[03:51] <wasabi__> It's not having any effect. I suspect it's not being set up right.
[03:51] <hek> what is the easiest way to get firefox 1.0 in place of .9.3 in warty painlessly?
[03:52] <kensai> hek, maybe downloading the installer
[03:52] <hek> that made the profiles and everything all screwed up majorly
[03:53] <kensai> hek, I did thatflawlessly when I had warty
[03:53] <hek> did you just use it in the home dir?
[03:53] <kensai> hek, yep
[03:53] <hek> cause i know it's fine there, but mean REPLACE the other
[03:53] <kensai> hek, ohhhh
[03:59] <dee> anyone running firestarter on Ubuntu?
[04:01] <LinuxJones> dee, no but it's available
[04:08] <Cloudchaser> plasmo i have no Resolution entry in my wine.conf
[04:08] <Cloudchaser> googling now to try to find an answer
[04:08] <plasmo> i have one in my ~/.wine/config
[04:09] <plasmo> i just googled about HKEY_CURRENT_CONFIG\Software\Fonts\LogPixels
[04:09] <plasmo> seems other people have it on some programs as well :/
[04:09] <Cloudchaser> thats what i googled on
[04:09] <Cloudchaser> but i hve no knowledge how to do any registry changes
[04:10] <plasmo> wat program u tryin to run anyway @_@
[04:11] <Cloudchaser> just an old game for my son
[04:11] <plasmo> tried cedega? lol
[04:11] <Cloudchaser> no i'm unemployed at the moment
[04:12] <Cloudchaser> can't really afford to buy it
[04:12] <Cloudchaser> well i just got a part time job but only started monday ;)
[04:12] <plasmo> :)
[04:13] <magik_> if i change sources.list from warty to hoary and update apt, should i have any problems? i just want to know in advance :\
[04:14] <sladen> magik_: as long as you understand that hoary is in *development*.  Will and *does* break from time to time
[04:14] <magik_> sladen, yeah thats cool, but aside from that... anything else?
[04:15] <sladen> magik_: you don't need to change anything else to upgrade, if that was your question
[04:16] <magik_> nah i meant should i have any other problems? also - if i change it back to warty and update again, will it revert back?
[04:19] <deFrysk> magik_, I use hoary , no probs here
[04:19] <magik_> deFrysk, ok thanks :D
[04:20] <deFrysk> magik_, it IS development however Ind I cannot guarantee anything
[04:20] <magik_> nah its cool, i understand that
[04:20] <magik_> ;)
[04:21] <deFrysk> magik_, set locales to utf8 after upgrade (default in hoary)
[04:21] <magik_> alright
[04:21] <magik_> thanks dude
[04:21] <magik_> wait.. how do i do that?
[04:21] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:21] <deFrysk> ;p
[04:21] <deFrysk> sudo of course
[04:21] <magik_> ahh
[04:21] <magik_> yup
[04:21] <magik_> thanks man :D
[04:22] <magik_> debian rocks
[04:22] <deFrysk> good luck , dont complain ,report bugs
[04:22] <magik_> hehe thanks
[04:23] <deFrysk> and brush your teethe
[04:23] <deFrysk> teeth
[04:23] <magik_> :P:
[04:23] <magik_> LOL
[04:24] <allen> Anyone had propblems copying file to a CF card in a reader?
[04:24] <allen> Sometimes it will go fast and others it will take forever.
[04:24] <allen> Running Horay
[04:38] <melazyboy> Anyone in here running fglrx with xorg?
[04:39] <magik_> i used to
[04:39] <magik_> i'm on xfree86 now though
[04:40] <melazyboy> How did you get it working!?!? i have been trying for hours
[04:41] <magik_> ah well i used to run it on gentoo, so i just emerge at-drivers or whatever
[04:41] <magik_> and run the fglrx config generator
[04:41] <melazyboy> not fair
[04:41] <magik_> ati-drivers*
[04:42] <melazyboy> I wish we had a package like that, one that would work..
[04:42] <magik_> i'm assuming you've installed the drivers?
[04:42] <magik_> heh
[04:42] <melazyboy> no i haven't not on xorg
[04:42] <magik_> ah just into the kernel or whatever
[04:42] <magik_> have you run the fglrxconfig ?
[04:43] <melazyboy> No i dont have the drivers baked into the kernel i dont have them period...
[04:44] <magik_> oh ok, what card do you have?
[04:44] <melazyboy> 9800
[04:45] <magik_> ok well go to the ati website and download the drivers perhaps
[04:48] <melazyboy> v. usefull information.
[04:52] <melazyboy> wants working ati drivers with xorg
[04:52] <melazyboy> =/
[04:53] <stuNNed> melazyboy, have you checked in #ati ?
[04:56] <melazyboy> no ...
[05:13] <madsen> I still need people to do my little linguistics experiment on http://lillesvin.net/ling/wr/ - that is, if you want to be used as data for my assignment. ;) I would be most grateful if you'd care to take 3-4 minutes to help me out, as I really need all the data I can get. In advance, thanks a _lot_. :)
[05:25] <said> hi
[05:25] <plasmo> ahlo
[05:25] <said> somebody of america?
[05:26] <plasmo> america? :o
[05:26] <said> I don't have very good english, but yes Spanish
[05:26] <said> ???
[05:26] <HrdwrBoB> australia
[05:26] <said> anybody ?
[05:26] <plasmo> i dont speak spanish. im australian
[05:26] <said> Soy de Mexico
[05:27] <said> alguien que hable espaol?
[05:27] <madsen> Mi gato esta loco.
[05:27] <said> ah bueno
[05:27] <s0cks> dcm got banned
[05:27] <said> de donde eres
[05:27] <said> ?
[05:27] <s0cks> Is that the dude with the petition?
[05:27] <madsen> said: Sorry, mi no speaka Spanish for real. :)
[05:27] <madsen> s0cks: Who?
[05:28] <said> what?
[05:28] <plasmo> madsen: i just finished your questioaire thing lol
[05:28] <madsen> plasmo: Oh, nice. :) Thanks. :)
[05:28] <aitrus> said: you might want to check out #ubuntu-es
[05:28] <plasmo> ;)
[05:28] <madsen> plasmo: Are you the one who has verified the info or the one who has not?
[05:28] <said> thanks friend, but
[05:28] <plasmo> i have verified
[05:29] <madsen> plasmo: Ok, 'cause I just got a "Mail not delivered" notice from my mail-server on an australian guy. :)
[05:29] <plasmo> ahh lol
[05:29] <plasmo> no i verified. it said thanks for your time or something
[05:30] <madsen> plasmo: Great! Thanks again. :)
[05:30] <plasmo> ;D
[05:30] <plasmo> well im off. bbl =D
[05:32] <dablitz> can anyone help me out with a modprobe issue
[05:33] <dablitz> cpci_hotplug: CompactPCI Hot Plug Core version: 0.2
[05:33] <dablitz> pci_hotplug: PCI Hot Plug PCI Core version: 0.5
[05:33] <dablitz> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[05:33] <dablitz> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[05:33] <dablitz> pciehp: acpi_pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[05:33] <dablitz> shpchp: acpi_shpchprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0x1001
[05:34] <dablitz>  modprobe pciehp
[05:34] <dablitz> FATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> you need to use sudo to insert it
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprove pciehp
[05:35] <HrdwrBoB> sudo modprobe pciehp
[05:35] <dablitz> i will try it
[05:35] <dablitz> :~ $ sudo  modprobe pciehp
[05:35] <dablitz> Password:
[05:35] <dablitz> FATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:36] <HrdwrBoB> what is the actual issue?
[05:36] <dablitz> ok bootup i het this same message. no this is for the touchpad mouse on my laptop. I would really like to use it
[05:37] <dablitz> its a clean freah install of ubuntu
[05:39] <melazyboy> dablitz add pcihp and shpchp to your blacklist.d
[05:39] <melazyboy> I get the whole fatal error thing aswell
[05:39] <dablitz> linux newbie--how do I do that
[05:40] <Rene_S> My neighbour is gonna have a fatal error if he doesn't stop yelling at his wife.
[05:42] <dad> hi from japan
[05:43] <melazyboy> vim /etc/hostplug/blacklist.d; add pciehp shpchp
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> +sudo
[05:43] <dad> and a fine howdy from japan ?
[05:43] <HrdwrBoB> hi dad from japan
[05:43] <dad> heya  Mr bob
[05:44] <dad> well i;m all ready to ask a question if thats ok?
[05:45] <dablitz> melazyboy that did not work
[05:45] <HrdwrBoB> don't ask to ask, ask
[05:45] <magik_> hmmm how come Dad never told me about being from japan ?!!
[05:45] <melazyboy> dablitz: I would guess you did it wrong
[05:45] <dad> lol thanks  ummm usb audio  specifically soundsticks on a ppc
[05:45] <dad> hello magic im from japan
[05:45] <dad> via Oz
[05:46] <melazyboy> dablitz: when you edited the file, did you add those two modules causing the error, and then restarted the comp?
[05:46] <magik_> you should be at work right now :\
[05:46] <magik_> and what are we having for tea?
[05:46] <melazyboy> either that or purge them using rmmod
[05:46] <dablitz> ok got you
[05:46] <dad> umm fish heads and i work as little as possible
[05:46] <HrdwrBoB> my dad is in bangkok, in china, not japan :/
[05:46] <melazyboy> rmmod -f pciehp or what ever it was
[05:47] <dad> dont seem to have any sound from cdplayer
[05:47] <HrdwrBoB> dad: the cd player won't work with a USB sound thingo
[05:48] <Agrajag> You'll need something that uses CDDA extraction
[05:48] <dad> oh thats a shame
[05:48] <Agrajag> there's an xmms plugin for it
[05:48] <dad> you mean burn ogg files from cd and try to play them?
[05:48] <lost74> could someone help me I'm trying to install programs  I have downloaded .bin .tar files and I very lost on commands beside dos cd dir
[05:48] <Agrajag> no
[05:49] <dad> oh set digital ex option in xmms?
[05:49] <Agrajag> apt-get install xmms-cdread
[05:49] <Agrajag> yes
[05:49] <dad> thanks ill give it a go
[05:49] <Agrajag> ok
[05:49] <dablitz> gunna reboot be back in a minute
[05:50] <dad> hmm failed to run synaptic as root?
[05:53] <dad> was tha xxms-cdread?
[05:54] <HrdwrBoB> lost74: what exactly do you want to do
[05:54] <Agrajag> xmms-cdread
[05:54] <dad> ok getting thnks
[05:57] <dablitz> thanks melazyboy that worked perfect
[05:57] <melazyboy> **bows*
[05:57] <dablitz> now to get this touchpad to work?
[05:58] <melazyboy> .. sony laptop?
[05:58] <dablitz> compaq
[05:58] <melazyboy> eww
[05:58] <melazyboy> not sure =/
[05:58] <dablitz> presario 3210ca 3000+
[05:58] <melazyboy> that might require some googleing
[05:58] <dablitz> thanks, bbiab after i google some
[05:59] <melazyboy> btw that solution i gave you might have some drawbacks, im not sure what that modules just i know others have complained about those errors, i get them too
[06:00] <s0cks> Didnt someone have another problem with that?
[06:00] <melazyboy> with what?
[06:00] <s0cks> The touchpad
[06:00] <s0cks> last night.
[06:00] <melazyboy> not sure
[06:00] <dad> thnks agra its working
[06:00] <dad> pretty horrible clicking sound though
[06:01] <melazyboy> I think im going to give up on the fglrx and xorg
[06:01] <dad> do i need alsa on a ppc?
[06:02] <dablitz> after i get touchpad working the next step will be "using my cellphone as a modem"
[06:03] <NetwrkMonkey> oh god you don't want to do that unless you have a 3g cell
[06:03] <NetwrkMonkey> aircards are slow
[06:03] <NetwrkMonkey> unless you pay through the nose
[06:03] <dablitz> yes qualcomm 3g cell
[06:04] <dablitz> from LG, and I have usbcable for it too
[06:04] <NetwrkMonkey> cool
[06:04] <dablitz> I have a winblows cd with software but i am liking ubuntu linux more and more each day i use it
[06:04] <dad> anyone using a g4 tower?
[06:05] <NetwrkMonkey> if you use a g4  you should use mac osx
[06:05] <NetwrkMonkey> i wish i had a mac, but i don't have money falling out of my fur
[06:05] <dad> totally agree - just wanted to see what this was all about  so far it sooks eggs lol
[06:06] <gen> sooks eggs?
[06:06] <dad> sux
[06:06] <gen> how does it suck eggs
[06:06] <NetwrkMonkey> what's the proper name for those japanese snow monkies?
[06:06] <NetwrkMonkey> the cute mean lil buggers
[06:07] <dad> nihon saru?
[06:07] <gen> waiting for a reply, dad
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[06:07] <NetwrkMonkey> i wanted to mherkhats
[06:07] <dad> scroll up gen
[06:07] <NetwrkMonkey> but that's an african prairie doggy
[06:08] <NetwrkMonkey> Japanese macaque
[06:08] <NetwrkMonkey> that's it
[06:09] <dad> well guess i'll leave all this linux crap to the poor -back to a great mutlimedia system  OSX thnks
[06:09] <melazyboy> dear god totem so blows
[06:12] <NetwrkMonkey> i just use xine-gui :-)
[06:12] <melazyboy> i agree its much better
[06:12] <NetwrkMonkey> but then i'm lazy
[06:12] <NetwrkMonkey> and i just want to watch
[06:12] <NetwrkMonkey> not have to futz aroudn with 5 gagillion controls and settttings
[06:12] <melazyboy> xine has more settings than totem
[06:12] <melazyboy> by far
[06:13] <gen> i like vlc and mplayer personally
[06:13] <melazyboy> hit lord of the known universe and it will enable more settings than you can shake a stick at
[06:14] <speel> hey is there anyway to install wmv support?
[06:14] <speel> ???
[06:15] <Rene_S> there is  a gtk-xine front end
[06:15] <Rene_S> its simple
[06:16] <madsen> speel: I think you'd be best of compiling mplayer yourself, it has much better support for various codecs than most other players.
[06:16] <madsen> Rene_S: Do you know how to install additional codecs for Xine? I seem to have problems doing that... It's using the mplayer codecs (if present), right?
[06:17] <Rene_S> Yeah
[06:17] <Rene_S> Download the win32 codec pack from marrilat as well
[06:17] <madsen> Rene_S: Hmm, so if I dump a new codec in the /usr/lib/win32 dir, then Xine will just use it?
[06:17] <dablitz> in my device mananger how do I tell if my system is even seeing my touchpad
[06:17] <Rene_S> as long as xine is configured to use that path
[06:18] <madsen> dablitz: Is it present in the dev-manager?
[06:19] <madsen> Rene_S: Hmm, I think I gotta take a closer look at xine, since I'm only using it for DVDs atm. (Menu support, yay!)
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> lol
[06:20] <dablitz> i don't know because all i see is pci devices
[06:20] <magik_> hmm when i try to run gdm, it begins to show some stuff, then exits and tells me "an x server appears to be running on :0 already blah blah" .. ?
[06:20] <dablitz> madsen
[06:20] <Rene_S> I use xine for almost everything, hell if it could make coffee i would use it for that
[06:21] <madsen> Rene_S: hehe... If it weren't for mplayer Xine would never have existed. ;)
[06:21] <melazyboy> magik hold alt and hit F7
[06:21] <Rene_S> I install that too, never use it though
[06:21] <speel> hmm i installed gxine and the vid works with wmv's but the sound is messed up any ideas?
[06:21] <melazyboy> err ctrl+alt
[06:22] <magik_> melazyboy: yeah, i tried that, but it just takes me to the screen with the X as the mouse cursor etc :\
[06:22] <melazyboy> magik_: exactly thats x... kill it then
[06:22] <magik_> i did
[06:22] <melazyboy> magik_: then you would see a console.. or nothing
[06:22] <magik_> yeah, i get a console
[06:22] <magik_> but i don't know how to fix it :\
[06:23] <melazyboy> after you kill the ugly window with the x, try running gdm
[06:23] <magik_> yeah i did
[06:23] <magik_> same result
[06:23] <melazyboy> if that doesn't work  you might try 'startx gnome'
[06:23] <melazyboy> I believe that is the command
[06:24] <melazyboy> or put an .xinit in your ~/ and make it one line with 'gnome'
[06:25] <magik_> thanks man
[06:25] <magik_> that worked
[06:25] <magik_> :)
[06:25] <melazyboy> heh its a shitty solution you shoulden't thank me =/
[06:25] <magik_> heh yeah but its better than nothing
[06:25] <magik_> i can at least google properly now
[06:25] <magik_> hehe
[06:26] <melazyboy> there is a better way of doing it i just don't know it, you might want to ask someone how do you set the windowmanager using gdm (would seem to me ass if gdm is supposed to launch gnome as i know of an xdm and a kdm)
[06:26] <magik_> yeah it does
[06:26] <magik_> it used to work, but stopped working
[06:26] <magik_> heh
[06:26] <melazyboy> funny how that happens isn't it =[
[06:26] <magik_> heh
[06:27] <magik_> its ok though
[06:27] <magik_> i'm sure google can help me
[06:27] <melazyboy> now find a way for me to install my fglrx drivers on the new xorg =D
[06:27] <magik_> ahh
[06:27] <magik_> hehe
[06:27] <magik_> if you download them, it will come with a script to install
[06:27] <magik_> then i think you just gotta recompile the kernel
[06:27] <magik_> then run the config script for fglrx
[06:28] <dablitz> ok it is considered a touchpad device, needing tpconfig. so I did an apt-get install tpconfig and it installed the config, but cannot open /dev/psaux
[06:28] <dablitz> anyideas?
[06:28] <melazyboy> doesn't quite work like that =[ the new version is incompatable with the new xorg, and the drivers ati has don't work with xorg at all, they don't even support the 2.6 kernel,
[06:29] <melazyboy> i need to take a thanksgiving shit ill brb.. =D
[06:29] <magik_> ohhh
[06:29] <NetwrkMonkey> yah know the best thing for heartburn is two tablespoons of vinegar to 1 cup of water
[06:29] <magik_> haha ok then
[06:31] <magik_> am i able to revert back to old packages with apt?
[06:31] <melazyboy> alright.. dablitz Does your kernel have /dev/psaux built in?
[06:34] <dablitz> well its there, but got the readme on it and it says that I have to kill gpm before running tpconfig
[06:34] <dablitz> how do I kill gpm
[06:34] <melazyboy> killall gpm
[06:34] <dablitz> ok
[06:40] <pepsi_> hi
[06:41] <dablitz> that did not work
[06:41] <diego> hi all, how can i install a .build file?
[06:42] <HrdwrBoB> diego: what do you want to install
[06:42] <diego> HrdwrBoB: ftp://developer.ofset.org/dists/sarge/main/binary-all/wxglade_0.3.5.1-1_i386.build
[06:43] <diego> oh is this just a log?
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> you will wabt a deb
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> want
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> you should be able to add that url to apt
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> so you can simply apt-get install wxglade
[06:45] <diego> hmm
[06:45] <diego> i can't quite find the .deb in there
[06:45] <diego> oh nvm
[06:46] <diego> it's under a different name
[06:46] <diego> how misleading
[06:52] <dablitz> i wish i new what hardware this system was using for a touch pad
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> dablitz:
[06:53] <HrdwrBoB> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3994.html
[06:53] <speel> ey i installed the ubuntu-calalnder-november package how do i acess it?
[06:54] <dablitz> thanks HrDwrBoB
[06:55] <speel> ;(
[06:56] <Cygnia> speel:does the november calendar show up in the wallpaper dialogue?
[06:57] <ChibiFS> Yey for FreeNX.
[06:57] <speel> ah yes it does :) thanks
[06:58] <HrdwrBoB> hm
[06:58] <ChibiFS> That server-side jpeg compression really helps.
[06:58] <cef_work> anyone recommend a good PCI-X Firewire 800 card for use with ubuntu?
[06:58] <NetwrkMonkey> does ubuntu have like a calendar overlay for the wallpaper?
[06:59] <speel> i dont think bout you can use gdeskcal
[06:59] <magnon> NetwrkMonkey: if you try, you won't be disappointed :)
[06:59] <speel> hey another question .. you know when you download a .deb from the repos is there any way to get the art work like the icons etc
[07:00] <speel> or does it even come with it
[07:00] <zenwhen_> most of the time yes
[07:00] <speel> how tho?
[07:01] <jdub> NetwrkMonkey: no, just new wallpapers every month
[07:02] <NetwrkMonkey> oh
[07:04] <Gnobody> did anybody else get their cds yet?
[07:04] <sladen> Gnobody: it depends on when you ordered them (eg, which batch they made it into)
[07:04] <sladen> Gnobody: and where they've had to be mailed to
[07:05] <billytwowilly> Gnobody, you got your cds already?
[07:06] <Gnobody> yes
[07:06] <Gnobody> they don't work on my DVD-RW
[07:07] <Gnobody> the install cd hangs on half-way through the install
[07:07] <Gnobody> and the live cd wont boot at al
[07:07] <Gnobody> l
[07:07] <Gnobody> and I have tested multiple cds
[07:07] <Keybuk> sounds like a hardware issue with your system
[07:07] <Keybuk> did you try booting a burnt-iso before?
[07:08] <Gnobody> nah the isos work from ubuntulinux.org
[07:08] <Gnobody> yes
[07:08] <Gnobody> I think the media is bad
[07:08] <Gnobody> I've tried it in 2 computers
[07:08] <Gnobody> which both work with my burnt cd
[07:09] <Keybuk> that'd explain it if it were one or two CDs, not all of them
[07:09] <merriam> there might be a long run of bad cds
[07:10] <sladen> Gnobody: can you md5sum the CD?
[07:10] <merriam> Gnobody: you could compare the cds with the correct image
[07:10] <Gnobody> Ill try it later
[07:10] <Gnobody> im not that worried I have a working ubuntu install
[07:11] <Gnobody> I just wanted to give them to my friends
[07:11] <Keybuk> can your friends boot them?
[07:11] <Keybuk> it could be your DVD-RW only reading CDs it's burned, for example
[07:12] <Rene_S> Gremlins or Aliens, thats the answer for everything that goes awry
[07:12] <billytwowilly> you forgot satan
[07:12] <gen> satan is my pal
[07:12] <Rene_S> No, he is too busy with Windows
[07:13] <Gnobody> OMG DVDJon has done it again he has cracked M$'s Jonas WMP9 copy-protection: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/04/11/26/0042252.shtml?tid=97&tid=106
[07:13] <Rene_S> They named it Longhorn not because of a Ski resort or something but in tribute to the evil one himself
[07:14] <Gnobody> lol
[07:14] <Gnobody> you mean Bill/Lucifer
[07:14] <Gnobody> ;)
[07:14] <Rene_S> Arent they the same guy ?
[07:14] <Gnobody> yeah
[07:15] <Rene_S> Really has anyone ever seen Bills feet, I bet there cloven hooves
[07:15] <Gnobody> when he is bill he wears geeky glasses
[07:15] <Gnobody> it's his cover
[07:16] <Gnobody> nah I'd have to say Balmer is more evil than Bill
[07:16] <Rene_S> He is rounder and dumber, not sure he can spell Evil
[07:16] <Gnobody> Bill even said Windows may be under the BSD license one day
[07:17] <AlJ> Gnobody, Really now?
[07:17] <Gnobody> yes
[07:17] <Gnobody> it was on CNET
[07:17] <Rene_S> Demons for Daemons what a concept
[07:17] <AlJ> I don't understand their hate for the GPL.
[07:17] <AlJ> They seem to embrace the BSD license pretty well.
[07:18] <billytwowilly> The BSD licence lets them take and not give back
[07:18] <billytwowilly> The GPL doesn't
[07:18] <gpled> just wondering why xchat is at 2.0.8, when 2.4.1 is out?
[07:18] <Gnobody> they think the GPL is more restrictive but really I think it is because RMS has stated he is the official opposition to MS
[07:18] <billytwowilly> Thus the hatred
[07:19] <billytwowilly> gpled, it's out in hoary. You won't see it until hoary is released
[07:19] <billytwowilly> Gnobody, the GPL is more restrictive than the BSD licence
[07:19] <Gnobody> yeah
[07:20] <jdub> gpled: because warty was released with 2.0.8
[07:21] <AlJ> Man, This winmodem thing is making my head ache.
[07:21] <gen> hence the "Win"
[07:21] <billytwowilly> win = no win
[07:22] <Rene_S> Man I hate this smoking outside crap, I wanna see overwheight people having to go outside to eat there chocolate cake.
[07:22] <gen> uh
[07:22] <ubll> what?
[07:23] <Rene_S> Oops that was meant for someone else hehe
[07:23] <Rene_S> I typed in the wrong box
[07:23] <AlJ> "Super Size Me!"
[07:23] <AlJ> hehe
[07:23] <billytwowilly> Rene_S, I would send fat people outside to eat their cake if the were spraying crumbs in my face so that I had to eat cake too;)
[07:23] <Rene_S> Hehe
[07:23] <Rene_S> Good point
[07:25] <AlJ> billytwowilly, congrats!
[07:25] <Rene_S> I look like an ethiopian now, I got sick and havent gained my wieght back yet
[07:26] <Rene_S> billytwowilly, I got me 2 weeks worth of patches that I start on Monday
[07:27] <billytwowilly> Rene_S, Good for you. Smoking, like eating excessively is a horrible habit, but I'm happy we both atleast have the opportunity to indulge our weaknesses.
[07:28] <billytwowilly> anyhoo, that's enough high and mighty BS.
[07:28] <Rene_S> Amen
[07:28] <billytwowilly> jk;)
[07:28] <billytwowilly> hehe
[07:29] <Rene_S> Actually I just went to a funeral of a girl who died of cancer and she was 26
[07:29] <billytwowilly> I'm taking a class called the pharmacology of drug abuse right now. It's pretty interesting. make nicotine illegal and legalize pot and cocaine.
[07:29] <billytwowilly> ouch..
[07:30] <Rene_S> left a hubby and 2 kids
[07:30] <billytwowilly> That's a shame.
[07:30] <Rene_S> Yeah, so i figure I better quit before I look dumb laying on a slab all splayed out like a holiday ham
[07:31] <billytwowilly> Good call.
[07:31] <Rene_S> I really dont need my brain wieghed that badly
[07:31] <billytwowilly> Where do you live?
[07:31] <Rene_S> Canada
[07:32] <billytwowilly> really? I didn't know they did autopsies on people who die of cancer..
[07:32] <novaburst> how do I find out if there is a monodevelop package for Ubuntu?
[07:32] <Rene_S> Depends if they died straight out or if there were complications, I think they do it for research sometimes
[07:33] <billytwowilly> Rene_S, are you in ontario or quebec?
[07:33] <Rene_S> Ontario
[07:33] <Rene_S> I am not sure what they do, I have never been dead
[07:33] <billytwowilly> Then they brought me back.
[07:33] <billytwowilly> No white light or anything. Pretty dissapointing overall
[07:34] <AlJ> novaburst, There is. Check out the FAQ, You need to add a 3rd party repository
[07:34] <Rene_S> Yeah thats gotta suck, I was thinking of going Muslim for the 72 virgin thing but I prolly would end up dissapointed
[07:34] <novaburst> AlJ: thank you :)
[07:35] <billytwowilly> Cenrist Muslim or fundamentalist muslim?
[07:35] <Rene_S> Whatever gives me the virgins. I just dont know though
[07:35] <billytwowilly> Heh. Both get 72 virgins.
[07:36] <billytwowilly> The difference is like comparing the united church to Evangelical Christians;)
[07:36] <Rene_S> Its prolly all hype and you end up milking cows or something for eternity
[07:36] <AlJ> Haha.
[07:36] <Rene_S> Well if I dont have to kill anyone then ill take that one
[07:38] <Rene_S> With my luck I would die and come back as myself and have to relive the whole thing over
[07:38] <billytwowilly> That would be sweet. I'd invest in Yahoo and Bre-ex.
[07:38] <billytwowilly> And not smoke.
[07:38] <billytwowilly> Then live a long, rich life
[07:39] <Rene_S> I would snuff out Bill Gates while he was in college
[07:39] <Rene_S> just for the heck of it
[07:39] <billytwowilly> hmm. Then we might be running os/2..
[07:39] <billytwowilly> which would be lame.
[07:39] <gen> os/2 haha
[07:40] <skawave> has anyone run ubuntu on k6-2 hardware?
[07:40] <billytwowilly> k6-2?
[07:40] <gen> k6-2 is the old amd
[07:40] <billytwowilly> the one before athlon?
[07:41] <skawave> almost
[07:41] <skawave> k6-3 was before the athlon
[07:41] <skawave> its a i586 cpu
[07:41] <gen> it's old hardware skawave, should work fine
[07:41] <billytwowilly> It'll prbably run, but it might be slow
[07:41] <Gnobody> has anybody successfully got XFCE 4.2 RC1 working on warty?
[07:42] <|progenic|> excuse me, is there no firefox 1.0 for ubuntu ?
[07:42] <skawave> should I be using something like fluxbox or xfce?
[07:42] <gen> would be quicker skawave, yes
[07:42] <melazyboy> |progenic|: yes upgrade to hoary
[07:42] <billytwowilly> |progenic|, There is. update to hoary. warty = secure and only security updates. hoary= devel branch
[07:42] <gen> you don't need hoary for 1.0..
[07:43] <billytwowilly> If you've run debian unstable/testing you'll be fine.
[07:43] <Gnobody> is everybody using hoary?
[07:43] <Gnobody> I went back to warty
[07:43] <gen> of course everybody isn't gnobody
[07:43] <Gnobody> I was using hoary for weeks
[07:43] <gen> i went back to warty also
[07:43] <billytwowilly> hoary has been hella stable.
[07:43] <Gnobody> but I got sick of the bugs
[07:43] <RaCarter> does ubuntu use rpms?
[07:43] <Keybuk> Gnobody: did you file them in Bugzilla?
[07:43] <skawave> one more thing, the laptop I would like to install it on has a Linksys WCP11 802.11 pc card, is wireless supported in ubuntu?
[07:43] <Rene_S> no .debs
[07:43] <Gnobody> you can use rpms with alein
[07:43] <Gnobody> alien
[07:44] <Gnobody> sudo alien -i whatever.rpm
[07:44] <Rene_S> See I knew it, Aliens and linux
[07:44] <Rene_S> Satan and Window
[07:44] <gen> species
[07:44] <Gnobody> Keybuk no im too lazy ;)
[07:44] <RaCarter> so normally ubuntu use dpkg?
[07:44] <Keybuk> Gnobody: ok, can you hold still a moment so I can read your mind through your monitor so the bugs can be fixed
[07:44] <Gnobody> yes
[07:45] <Gnobody> sure thing
[07:45] <Gnobody> but im hella lazy so hurry up
[07:45] <|progenic|> how to upgrade to hoary ?
[07:45] <Gnobody> dirty rene
[07:45] <Gnobody> dirty
[07:46] <Rene_S> Aww common cut me some slack, I havent been naughty in like months
[07:46] <Gnobody> that is unhealthy then
[07:46] <Gnobody> may I suggest pr0n?
[07:46] <Rene_S> Only if there is sheep in it
[07:46] <Rene_S> ok, lets get back to Ubuntu now
[07:46] <Gnobody> lol
[07:49] <AlJ> |progenic|, this should help you: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[07:52] <ernie> hey folks, happy thanksgiving
[07:53] <JDahl> are there any links to Hoary/X.org screenshots? I am abit curious since everyone is talking about it
[07:53] <ernie> im wondering if anyone knows where i can find some documentation on how to delete the files that synaptic downloads
[07:53] <JDahl> ernie, sudo apt-get clean
[07:54] <JDahl> (off my memory, if it does work "man apt-get")
[07:54] <ernie> Jdahl - it wont look any different than hedghog
[07:54] <JDahl> ernie, ok
[07:55] <JDahl> ernie, but Xorg is supposed to have alot of new eye-candy isnt it?
[07:55] <JDahl> transparencies, drop-shadows, etc
[07:56] <plasmo> but buggy
[07:56] <melazyboy> JDahl: the ability is in Xfree as well
[07:56] <melazyboy> JDahl: Gnome won't take advantage of any more of the abilities using xorg than it would using xfree
[07:56] <jdub> JDahl: not by itself :-)
[07:56] <jdub> melazyboy: composite, damage, etc. are not in xfree86
[07:57] <ernie> no actually xorg will be like sort of downgrading from xfree, you see xfree quit abiding to gnu so nobody wants it anymore
[07:57] <JDahl> so why are everyone so eager to break their Ubuntu installation to get it?
[07:57] <gen> why not
[07:57] <ernie> because it is the future of X windows
[07:57] <melazyboy> JDahl: Xorg is just the newer xfree its not like xfree v2.0 or a complete rewrite, its just a fork originally because of licensing issues with Xfree
[07:58] <jdub> JDahl: because you can try out the additional software that makes all the crazy eyecandy stuff work
[07:58] <jdub> JDahl: but most of it is not regarded as stable yet
[07:58] <ernie> it wont break your install, trust me im a total n00b and use hoary, only a few problems rise once in a while
[07:58] <melazyboy> JDahl: The creater of Xfree wanted more name recognition so he changed the license so each time the software was used he had to be credited.
[07:58] <nevyn> melazyboy: it was more than that...
[07:58] <billytwowilly> except for one .ICEauthority file problem.
[07:59] <ernie> but this is an awsome community and bugs are squashed immedieately
[07:59] <nevyn> melazyboy: it extended to all advertising of compilations.
[07:59] <Rene_S> I thought Hoary would be more Hairy but its pretty stable
[08:00] <ernie> is it possible to resize a reiser partition or do i have to format?
[08:00] <melazyboy> Has there been newer versions of Xfree since he made that decesion i know all of the distros broke from it then, but did he have something up his sleave to warrent that demand like 500k lines of new code ? i mean seems kind of silly to demand something with no bargining chip
[08:01] <jdub> melazyboy: yes, there was the final release.
[08:01] <jdub> Rene_S: it's fairly robust, but definitely not stable :)
[08:02] <ernie> i like the daily updates, make me feel good
[08:02] <ernie> dont know why, just does
[08:02] <melazyboy> ernie, lol
[08:02] <Rene_S> jdub, Yeah I am aware of that, I somehow thought It would have more issues than it does at this stage of the process
[08:03] <ernie> well when u upgrade to hoary now, not a qhole bunch of stuff changes, it will eventually totally change but now only select things are changed, thats how i look at it
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> FartClone2: please turn off those messages
[08:04] <ernie> is it possible to resize a reiser partition or do i have to format?
[08:04] <HrdwrBoB> ernie: you can resize
[08:05] <ernie> how?
[08:05] <HrdwrBoB> http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/parted.html#features
[08:06] <ernie> thanks bob
[08:06] <HrdwrBoB> not a worry
[08:06] <ernie> no worries mate
[08:14] <pepsi_> zxcvuiop123
[08:14] <pepsi_> hi
[08:25] <melazyboy> ernie: reiserfsprogs
[08:27] <speel> whats assistive technology prefrences?
[08:28] <jdub> speel: accessibility stuff
[08:39] <Micksa> hey
[08:39] <Micksa> is there a way to add http://bazaar.canonical.com/packages/debs/ to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[08:39] <Micksa> it's not in the "normal" structure (whatever that is), but it has a Packages.gz
[08:39] <jdub> deb http://bazaar.canonical.com/packages/debs/ ./
[08:39] <Micksa> ta
[08:40] <mhlandry> Im interested in setting up ubuntu on some of my computers - but I have one question - how is upgrading the distro handled?
[08:40] <mhlandry> can you do it through apt or does ti involve burning cds and installing from a cd?
[08:41] <birme> mhlandry: you use apt and the command dist-upgrade
[08:41] <mhlandry> brime: that's what i wanted to hear, thanks
[08:42] <mhlandry> soon as I get some time on my hand ima give it a shot - I've done a few installs and I'm impressed - just wanted to see how it would be to keep updated
[08:42] <birme> mhlandry: have you ever used debian?
[08:43] <mhlandry> yes
[08:43] <mhlandry> but not very often
[08:43] <birme> then it is quite the same
[08:43] <mhlandry> the reason I am warry is this
[08:43] <mhlandry> I tried out mepis once
[08:43] <mhlandry> and it was a breeze to install
[08:44] <birme> but a pain to upgrade?
[08:44] <mhlandry> but apt getting something ususally caused problems
[08:44] <mhlandry> because the config files were customized by the mepis guy
[08:44] <mhlandry> so jsut apt-get update would randomly cause errors like sound not working
[08:45] <birme> update only updates the local packages list, you mean upgrade right?
[08:45] <mhlandry> nonajme, even something like installing a newer version of a package you already had
[08:45] <mhlandry> well, yeah I guess
[08:45] <mhlandry> sorry :)
[08:46] <mhlandry> its been awhile since I've used debian
[08:47] <birme> anyway, you could use synaptic package manager. A graphical front end to apt
[08:47] <mhlandry> I did notice that as wel
[08:47] <mhlandry> l
[08:47] <birme> or aptitude which is "curses" based
[08:47] <mhlandry> command like is fine, I was just interested it apt broke the distro
[08:48] <JDahl> birme, even dist-upgrade, right?
[08:48] <CVirus> what package manager does this distro uses ?
[08:48] <birme> it is based on dpkg
[08:48] <birme> i.e. debian packages
[08:49] <CVirus> .deb ?
[08:49] <birme> yep
[08:49] <CVirus> hmm
[08:49] <CVirus> apt-get is there ?
[08:49] <birme> yep
[08:49] <CVirus> what else ?
[08:49] <birme> and aptitude or synaptic package manager
[08:49] <birme> if you do not prefer the command line tools
[08:49] <CVirus> hmm
[08:49] <birme> easy to install and easy to upgrade IMHO
[08:50] <birme> I haven't been running ubuntu for so long, but I have been running Debian as long as I can remember
[08:51] <birme> so now all desktop computers run ubuntu and my servers still run debian
[08:51] <birme> you can of course run ubuntu on servers, but I don't want to reinstall the servers
[09:02] <mhlandry> how long have you been running it for birme?
[09:15] <_MacGyver_> good morning
[09:15] <mhlandry> morning? ;)
[09:16] <_MacGyver_> and greetings from germany :)
[09:16] <plasmo> gday mate
[09:17] <_MacGyver_> i still have the problem that i cant compile Mesa
[09:17] <_MacGyver_>  -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions main/api_arrayelt.c -o main/api_arrayelt.o
[09:17] <_MacGyver_> /bin/sh: compiler: no such file or directory
[09:17] <_MacGyver_> the question is which compiler mesa need...
[09:17] <_MacGyver_> gcc,g++ etc are all installed
[09:24] <mariam> could anyone tell me how to connect a printer that's connected to a windows xp PC via network?
[09:24] <jiyuu0> mariam, i need to know that too... nautilus can't seem to see the network printer
[09:24] <mariam> i'm trying to go through the Add a printer wizard, but it doesn't work
[09:25] <jiyuu0> same here, cause no printer found
[09:25] <mariam> jiyuu0, i can see the other computer
[09:25] <mariam> where the printer is connected to
[09:25] <mariam> but i can't see the printer itself
[09:25] <jiyuu0> i can see computer (windows)
[09:26] <jiyuu0> i can see the shared folder
[09:26] <jiyuu0> but not the printer
[09:26] <jiyuu0> smbclient shows the printer
[09:26] <mariam> yeah, same here
[09:26] <jiyuu0> i wonder anyone else face the same prob...
[09:27] <mariam> i'm sure
[09:27] <mariam> everything else has worked perfectly
[09:27] <mariam> except that
[09:27] <jdub> printers don't appear in nautilus at all
[09:28] <Shufla> hello :)
[09:28] <mariam> jdub, how can i connect to it then?
[09:29] <mariam> i dont know what the samba url to the printer is
[09:29] <jdub> mariam: ideally through the 'printing' configuration dialogue
[09:29] <jdub> you'll be able to see the printer name in smbclient
[09:30] <jdub> so type smb://<printer> in the add printer dialogue
[09:30] <jdub> hrm, it wants host/printer
[09:30] <mariam> yeah, exactly
[09:30] <mariam> which is which?
[09:30] <HrdwrBoB> smb://host/printer
[09:30] <jdub> which host is the printer connected to?
[09:31] <Shufla> smbclient -N -L //host
[09:31] <jdub> you're connecting to a host with smbclient, right?
[09:31] <mariam> yes
[09:31] <jdub> then you can see the printer name :)
[09:33] <aru> will ubuntu read my ntfs formatted USB drive, and if so does it auto mount to the desktop or somewhere else?
[09:33] <mariam> still no luck
[09:33] <Treenaks> aru: you can read it
[09:33] <Treenaks> aru: just not write it
[09:33] <Treenaks> (and why NTFS, and not FAT?)
[09:33] <birme> mhlandry: debian or ubuntu?
[09:34] <mhlandry> birme: ubuntu
[09:34] <aru> Treenaks, does it auto mount it somewhere specific?
[09:34] <birme> mhlandry: a couple of weeks
[09:34] <Treenaks> aru: it'll show on your desktop - it'll mount on /media/somewhere
[09:34] <aru> hmm, its not showing up
[09:34] <mariam> jdub, i ran 'smbclient -N -l //gagik'
[09:35] <mariam> and i can see the printer
[09:35] <Treenaks> mariam: note the upper case L
[09:35] <|progenic|> excuse me, can QT used in gnome ?
[09:35] <|progenic|> i mean the library
[09:35] <mariam> Treenaks, I did use upper case L
[09:35] <mariam> the pritner name is hppcs900
[09:35] <|progenic|> my program need a QT to run, so is it possible to install QT and run it on gnome ?
[09:35] <Shufla> mariam: try to smbclient -N //gagik/hppcs900
[09:35] <mariam> but when I enter //gagik and hppcs900 into host and printer (repectively), it still wonr't connect
[09:35] <Shufla> |progenic|: yes.
[09:36] <|progenic|> just apt-get install qt ?
[09:36] <aru> Treenaks, what do I need to do if it doesnt show up?
[09:36] <Treenaks> |progenic|: what are you trying to do? just installing QT won't do anything
[09:36] <Shufla> |progenic|: well. it's possibile that program wchich you need is in universe or multiverse repo
[09:36] <Treenaks> aru: check your logfiles
[09:37] <mariam> Shufla, i get 'Domain=[GAGIK]  OS=[Windows 5.1]  Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager] '
[09:37] <mhlandry> how long have you guys been using ubuntu for?
[09:37] <mariam> tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME
[09:37] <Shufla> mariam: well. as I see, you need to supply proper password
[09:37] <plasmo> mhlandry: over 1 month
[09:37] <|progenic|> i'm trying to use skype, so i need QT 3.2 to run
[09:37] <Shufla> mhlandry: 2 mnths
[09:37] <|progenic|> any idea wif that ?
[09:37] <aru> its showing up in device manager
[09:38] <Shufla> |progenic|: well. AFAIR there's deb for debian testing on skype download. you shall try it first.
[09:40] <jiyuu0> |progenic|, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/#skype
[09:40] <aru> hmm...
[09:41] <Shufla> mariam: do you have NT-domain there?
[09:42] <mariam> how do i find that out?
[09:42] <mariam> Shufla, you said i needed to supply a proper password, but the computer doesn't have a password
[09:42] <aru> Treenaks, I'm not sure what I'm looking for in this log
[09:43] <Treenaks> aru: does it notice that you insert/remove the device?
[09:43] <Shufla> mariam: hm... paste me on priv effect of smbclient -N -L //gagik
[09:43] <aru> from what I can make out, I don't think so
[09:47] <aru> I guess every distro has to have at least one drawback :)
[09:48] <jiyuu0> nothing is perferct
[09:48] <jdub> aru: ntfs stuff doesn't automount atm
[09:48] <jdub> aru: it probably will in the next release
[09:48] <aru> oh, that makes more sense then :)
[09:52] <Shufla> jiyuu0, mariam : give me a sec, I've got to think...
[09:52] <jiyuu0> Shufla, OK
[09:53] <aru> this is all laid out perfectly, the people that made this distro must actually use a GUI
[09:53] <michealbolton> are all .deb packages compatible with ubuntu?
[09:53] <crimsun> aru: they do. They create one. It's called GNOME. :)
[09:53] <Shufla> michealbolton: almost. especcialy that provided for debian/sarge aka testing
[09:53] <Shufla> michealbolton: anyway there is many apps in universe/multiverse
[09:53] <michealbolton> cool thanks
[09:54] <bob2> aru: if some device isn't automounting, please file a bug
[09:54] <jdub> michealbolton: not really. we suggest sticking to universe and multiverse
[09:54] <bob2> unless it's ntfs/hfs on warty, then it's a known bug :)
[09:54] <aru> bob2, I think its because its NTFS
[09:54] <bob2> right, known issue, fixed in hoary
[09:54] <aru> sweet
[09:54] <aru> this distro needs to be on my laptop ASAP :)
[09:55] <michealbolton> i have it on my laptop
[09:55] <jiyuu0> aru, it's already on my laptop
[09:55] <michealbolton> it works great
[09:55] <jiyuu0> same here
[09:55] <michealbolton> Everything works
[09:55] <michealbolton> well almost everything, i have no 3d support tho
[09:55] <jiyuu0> what card?
[09:55] <michealbolton> savage s3
[09:55] <aru> how about wireless pcmcia cards for the laptop, anyone have one of those?
[09:56] <michealbolton> hmm i have internal wireless, i used ndiswrapper with a windows driver
[09:56] <michealbolton> supposidly ndiswrapper works with pc cards
[09:56] <jiyuu0> wah... lucky my dell laptop... all hardware ok
[09:57] <jdub> aru: depends on your card
[09:57] <jiyuu0> dlink pcmcia plug n play
[09:57] <aru> oh I don't have one yet, but I figured I would ask before I bought one
[09:57] <xukun> hi
[09:58] <xukun> I,m having a problem burning cd's in ubuntu, there is no burner if I do cdrecord --scanbus
[09:58] <bob2> don't use -scanbus
[09:58] <Treenaks> xukun: use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or something
[09:58] <bob2> 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc'
[09:59] <bob2> I'm pretty sure this is in the faq, too
[09:59] <xukun> ok I will check that
[10:03] <michealbolton> is there a way I can type in japanese in ubuntu?
[10:08] <Shufla> mariam, jiyuu0 : i have no idea. i've solved it once. check the printer configuration. afair if it works under win-boxes with anonymous access it do not have to work same way on ubuntu. try to use user/passwords. check printer permissions on win-boxes... howgh, sorry :(
[10:08] <jiyuu0> Shufla, thanks for ur effort
[10:09] <Treenaks> michealbolton: yes, there is, but I don't know how.
[10:10] <plasmo> mmm i got my skype working. time to test it out :D
[10:11] <plasmo> installed i mean :)
[10:11] <mariam> Shufla, thank you very much for all your support
[10:12] <mariam> I'll try to research online and see if i can dig anything up
[10:29] <|progenic|> excuse me, is there any ubuntu manual to setup ftp server ?
[10:30] <stuNNed> |progenic|, probly a debian howto would apply
[10:30] <|progenic|> ok
[10:30] <|progenic|> thx
[10:42] <leyman> hey!
[10:43] <Shufla> ho!
[10:44] <leyman> is it possible to do some kind of dist-upgrade from *-i386 to *-amd64?
[10:44] <bob2> no
[10:45] <Keybuk> aptitude reinstall "~i" might work *shrug*
[10:45] <Keybuk> then again, it could explode into little bits as the libc jumps architectures
[10:45] <leyman> sounds dangerous :)
[10:45] <Shufla> better is to reinstall full system while going from 32bit arch to 64bit arch
[10:45] <bob2> you can point aptitude at a different arch? how?
[10:45] <mhlandry> how the hell could do you a dist-upgrade from i386 to amd64?
[10:46] <bob2> dpkg does hava --force-architecture option
[10:47] <leyman> mhlandry, why not, the i386-version runs just fine on amd64, i'm doing that just now
[10:47] <mhlandry> may I ask why?
[10:47] <bob2> you can debootstrap a new amd64 system
[10:47] <bob2> if you have a biarch kernel
[10:54] <Neill> can you use a 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace?
[10:54] <Soltek> hi
[10:55] <nevyn> Neill: yes.
[10:56] <bob2> well, you can make a kernel that supports both
[11:23] <Myron> Anyone knows how do i get agpgart module not to load at boot? I want to use nvagp.
[11:23] <Treenaks> Myron: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto on how to use the NVidia driver
[11:25] <Myron> There is nothing about how to unload agpgart?
[11:25] <bob2> load nvagp in /etc/modules
[11:26] <cardador> Myron: you need to change a line in /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or XF86Config-4)
[11:28] <cardador> Myron: try to find the information on the Nvidia driver documentation
[11:32] <Myron> cardador: i have edited those configs, the conflict is that nvagp module cannot be used if agpgart module is loaded
[11:33] <Treenaks> Myron: /etc/modules modules get loaded before hotplug loads its modules.. so it'll get loaded first if you put it there
[11:34] <markus_> Hi. I'd like to install Ubuntu by booting from CD-ROM and then use a network-server for retrieving the packages from. Any hint how I can tell Ubuntu to fetch its packages via network?
[11:34] <bob2> it asks you during the install
[11:35] <Myron> u did put nvagp on /etc/modules
[11:35] <Myron> but still: NVRM: not using NVAGP, AGPGART is loaded!!
[11:35] <tck> anyone get their cd's yet ?
[11:35] <Moof> tck: yup
[11:35] <tck> arggh
[11:35] <bob2> lots of people did
[11:35] <tck> i haven't :(
[11:36] <Moof> with the topless guy right on the front
[11:36] <tck> where are u guys living
[11:36] <Moof> made a splash in the offcie ;)
[11:36] <Moof> tck: spain
[11:36] <tck> and they are been sent from Jersey ?
[11:36] <bob2> no, the netherlands
[11:36] <tck> ireland is closer than spain
[11:36] <tck> ahh ok
[11:36] <Moof> do we know who the topless guy is?
[11:36] <Moof> tck: mine were sent from switzerland
[11:37] <bob2> Moof: a model in SA
[11:37] <tck> whats the packaging like
[11:37] <tck> just a cd sleeve ?
[11:37] <markus_> bob2, hmmm, with "it asks you during the install", did you answer the network-install-topic? (Because I can't find the step where it asks me...)
[11:37] <Moof> tck: it's a paper cd sleeve for the powerpc one, and a unfoldabel paper two-cd sleeve for i386
[11:37] <tck> nice
[11:38] <tck> can't wait
[11:38] <tck> :)
[11:38] <bob2> markus_: why don't you want to install the base system fro mthe cd?
[11:38] <sparehead1> on a base install its still supposed to boot into gdm and then gnome right?
[11:38] <tck> gonna hand them all out at the next computer meet
[11:40] <sparehead1> if i wanted to grab the gnome erm is meta-package the right term? that get installed by default what would I apt-get?
[11:41] <Agrajag> ubuntu-desktop should do it
[11:41] <markus_> bob2, because the machine doesn't have a built-in CD-ROM, but I only have an external USB-CD-ROM, and I can't get Ubuntu to recognize this drive once I set the language and keyboard...
[11:41] <bob2> ouch
[11:41] <bob2> does your machine support pxe or whatever?
[11:42] <sparehead1> rock, thanks Agrajag
[11:42] <markus_> I don't know yet. I thought booting from CD and then setting a network-server as apt-source would be easier...?
[12:09] <jml> ciao!
[12:10] <sparehead1> so does ubuntu-desktop not install by default anymore?
[12:10] <sparehead1> ciao!
[12:10] <jml> I've just installed scribus on ubuntu
[12:10] <jml> and it segfaults when it opens my template.
[12:11] <borgmeister> how do i convert rpm's to deb with alien?
[12:11] <jml> has anyone used scribus successfully on ubuntu?
[12:12] <bob2> sparehead1: it is installed by default
[12:12] <bob2> if you installed totem-xine and didn't look carefully, tho, you might have lost it
[12:12] <jml> I think this it might be a font thing.
[12:17] <sparehead1> nope clean install (cause i broke it with gnome-ppp and leaving multiverse in my apt/source.list while trying to get slmodem to work) just did an
[12:19] <sparehead1> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and its all installing now
[12:23] <toptnc> hi
[12:28] <toptnc> 1hi
[12:29] <Lowry> hi all
[12:29] <toptnc> yesterday i upgrade my SID with hoary
[12:29] <toptnc> after upgrading everithing seems to work ok
[12:30] <toptnc> but when i rebooted, mount doesn't work at all
[12:30] <toptnc> only root /dev/shm and /dev/pts seems to be well mounted
[12:30] <toptnc> /proc /sys and /home refuses to mount
[12:31] <toptnc> i was using a custom kernel 2.6.7
[12:31] <toptnc> that kernel worked pretty well with my sid
[12:32] <toptnc> anyway, i installed kernel-image-2.6.9-1-k7 and everything returns to normality
[12:33] <toptnc> now, i want to know if is it sane to keep my old sid servers with hoary servers into sources.list
[12:35] <stuNNed> toptnc, probably best to keep either/or not both
[12:36] <toptnc> well, i can see that in ubuntu servers there are main, multiverse, restricted and universe
[12:37] <toptnc> any of them have all debian packages?
[12:37] <bob2> "refuse to mount"?
[12:37] <bob2> you have *sid* servers?
[12:37] <toptnc> yes
[12:37] <toptnc> by now i have ubuntu and sid in sources.list
[12:37] <toptnc> everithing seems to work ok
[12:38] <bob2> except you get no security updates
[12:48] <toptnc> well, i haven't any inconvenience to get a fully ubuntu system.
[12:48] <toptnc> but i don't want to reinstall all my system
[12:48] <toptnc> i rather prefer to "upgrade" to ubuntu
[12:49] <toptnc> what if remove sid servers from my sources.list and make a reinstall of all?
[12:49] <bob2> that won't help
[12:50] <bob2> you could play pinning games, but it's not supported
[12:53] <markus_> Hi. I've recently installed KDE from Universe, and now I don't have a vim-executable anymore. "kvim" offers /usr/bin/vim.org which basically seems to be a vim-executable. Though, "vim" is also installed of course and should provide /usr/bin/vim ... but this file is not available. Any idea?
[12:53] <bob2> dpkg -L vim | grep vim
[12:55] <hans_wurst> hello
[12:57] <markus_> $ dpkg -L vim | grep /usr/bin/vim: lists the vim-executable, and says something about "diverted by kvim to: /usr/bin/vim.org". What does this mean?
[12:57] <bob2> it means /ur/bin/vim is the one from kvim
[12:57] <bob2> and /usr/bin/vim.orig is the one from vim
[01:00] <markus_> bob2: The "dpkg -L vim" lists the file /usr/bin/vim as this file *should* be in the vim-package. The "funny" thing is that I don't have a /usr/bin/vim, as "kvim" doesn't offer such a file. Isn't there a way to tell the "vim"-package to reclaim its file again?
[01:01] <bob2> you can undivert it
[01:01] <bob2> but it's easier to remove kvim
[01:02] <markus_> bob2: I tried that, but removing kvim would remove kde again ...
[01:02] <markus_> bob2, how could I undiviert it?
[01:02] <bob2> "kde" is fine to remove
[01:06] <markus_> bob2, further packages that would go are kdeaddons (which seems to be fine to be removed too) and vimpart, with the latter offering some libraries. I'll try removing it though and hope for the best...
[01:07] <markus_> bob2, It worked (though I don't know how KDE might re-act on this ... but I suppose it's fine there too.) Many thanks!
[01:08] <bob2> you're welcome
[01:08] <bob2> to undivert it, you can use dpkg-divert, but I forget the exact options
[01:16] <ztonzy> hi :)
[01:16] <ztonzy> anyone who has recently updated to the lastest k7 kernel ? I have and noticed significant slowlness in gui, overall
[01:17] <ztonzy> tried to re-install couple of things but haven't helped
[01:17] <smo> I can't say I've noticed anything different
[01:17] <bob2> reinstalling packages is never going to make things faster
[01:18] <markus_> bob2, ok, thanks. I'll check this one day ...
[01:18] <lupus_> firefox has no firefox -n "url" option ? so I can open a new site in a new tab
[01:18] <lupus_> ?
[01:18] <bob2> ztonzy: if it seems slower, and gets fast again when you boot the old kernel,. please file a bug
[01:18] <ztonzy> bob2, maybe not, but maybe fix them
[01:18] <ztonzy> well...it seems it overwrite the older k7 kernel
[01:19] <ztonzy> it was an update
[01:19] <bob2> ztonzy: no, it won't fix them either
[01:19] <bob2> ztonzy: yes, try installing the old one
[01:19] <smo> It shouldn't do?  I still have -2-k7 and -3-k7 in grub & /boot
[01:19] <ztonzy> I notice it when like when I log out...and this shading on the monitor is stepping rather than going smooth
[01:20] <ztonzy> bob2, then I must remove current one first...then start over again :)
[01:20] <bob2> ztonzy: yes
[01:20] <bob2> smo: there have been multiple versions of -3
[01:21] <ztonzy> at first it gave menu.lst an default kernel menu...like nothing specific...which I commented out...because there's no such kernel, weird
[01:22] <ztonzy> I have XP2800+  is a k7 kernel better than a normal i686 ?
[01:22] <smo> lupus_: It's a little more verbose, but try: firefox --remote "openurl(http://mozilla.org/,new-tab)"
[01:23] <Adrenal> how do i make the root account?
[01:23] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:26] <ztonzy> bob2, it cant have to do connection between kernelupdate+XFree+nvidiadrivers... ??  I mean the slowness
[01:34] <Rene_S> Is there away to add the menu items that appear in the computer section of the panel to show up under just the gnome footprint menu ?
[01:39] <lupus_> what is udeb?
[01:39] <markus_> I use cplay to play mp3s and oggs. Sometimes, "mpg321" crashes, resulting in all other sounds being played twice as fast. I then need to kill mpg321 manually ... Anybody knows something about it?
[01:43] <bob2> ztonzy: you changed all those thing at once?
[01:43] <bob2> lupus_: a package format used by the installer
[01:43] <hans_wurst> can someone recommend a dvd burner for linux?
[01:43] <ztonzy> bob2, no...after I felt the "slowness"
[01:44] <bob2> hah, erm
[01:44] <mjr> hans_wurst, pretty much any will work
[01:44] <hans_wurst> ok... or just recommend a dvd burner  ;-(
[01:44] <hans_wurst> ;-)
[01:46] <jordi> hey guys
[01:47] <jordi> can't find the official schedule for the Matar meeting in the wiki
[01:47] <jordi> Any quick pointer?
[01:47] <Treenaks> jordi: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Conference ?
[01:47] <bob2> jane's still working on it last I heard
[01:47] <sparehead1> hans_wurst: most of my friends swear by the pioneers. Most dont run linux and I dont know about compatability with linux (that was my official disclaimer ^_^ ) but all like the pioneer's
[01:48] <jordi> Treenaks: seen that. Where's the schedule?
[01:48] <Treenaks> jordi: dunno
[01:48] <Treenaks> there's a schedule link on there
[01:48] <jordi> bob2: ok, Quim phoned me and told me it was already up.
[01:49] <xukun> guys why does the the framebuffer console doesnt work, even vga=791 in /grub/menu.lst doesnt seem to work
[01:50] <jordi> Treenaks: I'm totally missing it then :)
[01:50] <Treenaks> There is an initial sketch of ConferenceGoals online. The draft Conference BOF schedule will be up by Thursday, 25th November.
[01:50] <bob2> Treenaks: that was yesterday
[01:50] <Treenaks> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MataroSessionsWorkshops
[01:51] <Treenaks> ?
[01:51] <bob2> oh, good point
[01:51] <Treenaks> but on which day is this all?
[01:52] <bob2> saturday dec 11
[01:52] <Treenaks> (26 Nov) A conference schedule will be posted soon.
[01:52] <jordi> Treenaks: first Saturday.
[01:52] <Rene_S> Is there away to add the menu items that appear in the computer section of the panel to show up under just the gnome footprint menu ?
[01:52] <bob2> Rene_S: no
[01:52] <Rene_S> bleh
[01:52] <Treenaks> jordi: hm.. I'm there from 5-10.. just gone on 11
[01:52] <jordi> oh well
[01:52] <bob2> 11th is "jordi shows us around barcelona" day, afaik :-)
[01:53] <Treenaks> wasn't it pygtk day as well?
[01:53] <fabbione> hey jordi
[01:53] <Rene_S> Oh well, I can make space by making the window list smaller then
[01:53] <fabbione> jordi: que pasa?
[01:54] <silbs> the schedule is still being worked on. Sorry for the delay - working on getting it posted asap.
[01:54] <silbs> mega pygtk bof is scheduled for over the weekend.
[01:55] <silbs> there is a schedule for the 11th on the wiki, but that is a special case. Schedule for other days coming
[01:55] <silbs> I believe jdub is supposed to be putting it online
[01:57] <silbs> jordi: I have you down for the 5th to the 14th - is that approx correct?
[01:57] <jordi> silbs: that's exact.
[01:58] <jordi> hi, jane, fabio
[01:59] <jordi> bob2: well, I could show you guys some places around Barcelona. But hopefully we can get braindmg or nyu to do the real thing, as they actually live in BCN. :)
[01:59] <jordi> I live ~350 kms south, in Valncia.
[02:00] <daniels> jordi: oh cool, so you speak Valencian, yeah?
[02:00] <jordi> lol
[02:00] <bob2> nah, they speak spanish
[02:00] <bob2> it's in spain, dude
[02:01] <jordi> I wonder why a silly Aussie knows about these stupid issues regarding our language :)
[02:01] <jordi> bob2: it's Catalunya too :)
[02:01] <bob2> maybe because silly catalins blog about it :-)
[02:01] <toptnc> jordi: you speak Valencian or a Catalonian variant?
[02:01] <toptnc> :D
[02:02] <toptnc> Catalonian == Valencian ??
[02:02] <nevyn> bob2: that's like saying they speak the same language in firenze and sicillia
[02:02] <toptnc> Human stupidity is infinite :-P
[02:02] <stvn> nevyn: they do, 'not-understandable';)
[02:02] <king_arthur> nevyn: why? don't they? :-)
[02:03] <nevyn> king_arthur: it's got the same label.. but it aint the same language.
[02:03] <king_arthur> nevyn: I know... I live there
[02:03] <jordi> I mean.
[02:04] <jordi> What do Argentinians speak? Argentinian, or Spanish?
[02:04] <nevyn> king_arthur: I just did 12 years of school italian ;)
[02:04] <nevyn> and lived with a bunch of italian tobacco farmers.
[02:04] <daniels> jordi: well, not Catalan
[02:04] <king_arthur> nevyn: but have lived a few years downunder as well
[02:04] <jordi> Does anyone doubt it's Spanish? Well, Valencian and Catalan is the same case. There are some words that vary between Catalan and Valencian, that's all.
[02:05] <king_arthur> nevyn: my Italian landlord spoke about the same level of Italian and English.. :-)
[02:05] <nevyn> jordi: but dialects are a tricky business.. a quite innocuous statement can become something completely different
[02:05] <stvn> king_arthur: italish?
[02:06] <king_arthur> nevyn: same as my spanish friends did.. spanglish.. :-)
[02:06] <stvn> :)
[02:06] <nevyn> all the italian kids cracked the shits.. cause they had to work in yr12 italian.
[02:06] <nevyn> cause what they spoke at home didn't cut it.
[02:07] <jordi> nevyn: well, I tell you it's not the case in Catalan/Valencian. There are cases where totally normal words in Spanish (Castilla) are quite funny in Argentina.
[02:07] <king_arthur> nevyn: I know but this is all a bit O.T.
[02:08] <jordi> Our word for "shell" (animal shell) is "concha". In Argentina, that means pussy. So what, still same language.
[02:08] <jdub> haha
[02:08] <stvn> hehe
[02:08] <king_arthur> just insatlling Warty right now on a x586
[02:08] <jdub> thanks jordi, that'll come in handy
[02:08] <nevyn> see is there a creature in that shell takes on an ENTIRELY different meaning ;)
[02:08] <stvn> jordi: what I learned from spanish friends was that every spanish word had a second meaning ;)
[02:08] <daniels> anyway, offtopic!
[02:09] <jordi> stvn: yeah. EOD on my part :)
[02:09] <king_arthur> question any of you guys using a double display setup?
[02:09] <nevyn> yes yes it is but fun.
[02:09] <Ycros> king_arthur, I am
[02:09] <nevyn> stop now.
[02:09] <jordi> or daniels might get angry! And you guys should fear an angry little daniel.
[02:09] <stvn> :)
[02:09] <king_arthur> Ycros: was it difficult to setup?
[02:10] <king_arthur> it didn't work for me
[02:10] <Ycros> mmm, twinview didn't work for me (nvidia card)
[02:10] <stvn> daniels: btw I've traced my tv-out problem to wrong cables, so I don't know yet if your radeon driver works, need to fetch new cables
[02:10] <Ycros> I'm running two separate screens
[02:10] <king_arthur> I have pulled out one card and starting again
[02:10] <Ycros> without xinerama extensions
[02:10] <Ycros> I've never managed to get it working with two separate cards
[02:10] <daniels> stvn: oh, heh :)
[02:10] <king_arthur> new installation takes about 3/4 hours :-(
[02:10] <jordi> jdub: "coger" is a word you use dozens of times every day (to pick up, etc). It means "fuck" in Argentina. :P
[02:11] <Ycros> I once had it at the stage where I could switch between both cards, but not have them run simultaneously
[02:11] <king_arthur> Ycros: It should be possible, in theory
[02:11] <Ycros> yes, people have done it
[02:11] <Ycros> what cards are you doing it with?
[02:12] <king_arthur> Ycros: is there a irc channel for xfree to the best of your knowledge?
[02:12] <Ycros> never been in one
[02:12] <Ycros> it's probably a scary place. (:
[02:12] <king_arthur> Ycros: one is SiS and one is Trident
[02:12] <king_arthur> I agree
[02:13] <king_arthur> setting up xfree on my first install 2 years agoo took me about 15 days... :-(
[02:14] <king_arthur> Ycros: question: how comes so many ausies online here?
[02:14] <Ycros> I don't know, I don't keep count
[02:14] <bob2> because we're awesome
[02:14] <jdub> king_arthur: debian is very popular in australia
[02:14] <king_arthur> Ycros: makes more sense here in Europe but you have nice weather downunder
[02:14] <jdub> king_arthur: secretly, we want to be spanish
[02:14] <Ycros> clearly it's jdub's charisma ;)
[02:14] <bob2> among technical users, at least
[02:15] <king_arthur> so anybody knows about a xfree irc channel?
[02:16] <king_arthur> scary question? 8)
[02:16] <hans_wurst> king_arthur: try the knoppix-trick to setup your xserver
[02:16] <king_arthur> what's that?
[02:17] <king_arthur> I know knoppix of course
[02:17] <bob2> #xfree86 (haha)
[02:17] <hans_wurst> does x-server work with knoppix?
[02:18] <king_arthur> bob2: there is a xfree channel, I just joined in
[02:18] <bob2> yes, I know
[02:19] <king_arthur> bob2: very quite in there
[02:19] <bob2> yeah, xfree86 is dead
[02:19] <daniels> try #xorg
[02:20] <king_arthur> bob2: so the future is x.org?
[02:20] <bob2> yes
[02:20] <bob2> it has more XIZZLE
[02:20] <king_arthur> bob2: i had a shot at it with hoary but went back to xfree
[02:20] <nevyn> nah it doesn't.
[02:21] <nevyn> xizzle is dead.
[02:21] <king_arthur> what's XIZZLE
[02:21] <king_arthur> ?
[02:21] <Treenaks> Fo'shizzle!
[02:21] <Matt|> xizzle is the word
[02:22] <king_arthur> hans_wurst: anyway what's the knoppix-trick thing again?
[02:23] <king_arthur> hans_wurst: jut cecking it under knoppix is that what you ment?
[02:24] <king_arthur> just one simple/tricky question about xfree86 setup
[02:25] <rapha> He doods, I got a package from overseas, and guessy what is in there!
[02:25] <king_arthur> the addres PCI 00:00:00 to put in config file is decial or HEX?
[02:26] <Treenaks> king_arthur: deciwhat? :P
[02:26] <king_arthur> for instance if I get lspci 0000:00:13:00 is that what to type into the config file?
[02:26] <Treenaks> king_arthur: yes
[02:26] <Matt|> rapha, drugs?
[02:26] <nevyn> rapha: cd's?
[02:26] <Matt|> damn
[02:26] <rapha> Now the next thing we need is free Ubuntu CDs with German cover texts...
[02:26] <Matt|> so close
[02:26] <rapha> nevyn: EXACTLY!
[02:26] <rapha> Thanks a heap Canonical!
[02:27] <Treenaks> rapha: and Dutch.. and Italian.. and Spanish.. etc.
[02:27] <nevyn> rapha: how many?
[02:27] <nevyn> pressed cd's good.
[02:27] <Matt|> perhaps I'll order some cds, it might be cool to distribute them to people randomly
[02:27] <king_arthur> Treenaks: if I do so x fails and replys "no screen found"
[02:27] <rapha> I'm herewith volunteering to organize Ubuntu CDs with German cover texts if Canonical wishes so.
[02:27] <bob2> nevyn: did you order cds?
[02:27] <nevyn> I wonder if cannonical's actions will inspire rh to do the same for fedora. given the media issues they've had...
[02:27] <nevyn> bob2: yep.
[02:27] <bob2> nevyn: did they arrive yet?
[02:27] <nevyn> bob2: 100
[02:27] <nevyn> no
[02:27] <bob2> ah
[02:27] <king_arthur> any Italian help needed? I am willing to volunteer
[02:28] <rapha> nevyn: 25, as ordered
[02:28] <bob2> I have a ton coming and I won't be there to get them
[02:28] <nevyn> bob2: where?
[02:28] <rapha> bob2: A ton?
[02:28] <bob2> nevyn: coming to my house
[02:28] <rapha> How many CDs is that, a ton?
[02:28] <Matt|> king_arthur, you can start by idling in #ubuntu-it
[02:28] <Keybuk> bob2: how many did you order?
[02:28] <bob2> Keybuk: 300
[02:28] <Matt|> a ton is 100
[02:28] <bob2> rapha: heh, I mean "lots"
[02:28] <Matt|> oh
[02:28] <nevyn> bob2: there were customs issues with the orders over 1000.
[02:28] <Keybuk> bob2: that's not a ton, is just a reasonable box-size
[02:29] <rapha> bob2: Okay :)
[02:29] <king_arthur> Matt|: #ubuntu-it
[02:29] <Matt|> *laughs*
[02:29] <nevyn> bob2: that's not a tonne.. there were people who did order 1000+
[02:29] <bob2> Keybuk: www.dictionary.org/hyperbole
[02:29] <Matt|> king_arthur, yes
[02:29] <rapha> Matt|: #ubuntu-de is pretty quiet, unfortunately.
[02:30] <king_arthur> Matt|: I see it's on and some people there
[02:30] <Matt|> beh so it -it but occasionally people come in for support that don't speak english
[02:31] <bob2> hah, that would seem to somewhat defeat the point of the livecd
[02:31] <rapha> bob2: Well, I already got Ubuntu installed for real.
[02:31] <bob2> hah, righ
[02:31] <rapha> These CDs are all meant for other people. I'll only keep one for myself to be able to show it to my grandchildren :)
[02:32] <rapha> "See, this is how we started taking on the world of Windows"
[02:32] <smo> I love that livecd .. quite a marketting move.  I keep a slightly modified version at work.  whenever the machines act up, I just go and remove windows from the equation.  now Mr Boss is seriously considering make it a permenant move
[02:33] <rapha> Lol
[02:35] <smo> which reminds me, has anyone had any luck getting the cloop module to build on ubuntu's stock kernel?  It's quite a pain to have to boot into the livecd to use it
[02:35] <Treenaks> smo: you want dm-crypt, not cloop
[02:35] <Treenaks> smo: (if cloop = cryptoloop)
[02:35] <ica> hey guys, how can i configure ubuntu to use a proxy, globally, for all users (i.e, with a file, not with the gnome network proxy program)
[02:36] <smo> Treenaks: Will that work as a drop-in replacement for the livecd's filesystems?
[02:36] <Treenaks> ica: add 'http_proxy=http://your.proxy.server:port/ to /etc/environment
[02:36] <Treenaks> smo: don't know
[02:36] <ica> Treenaks, thanks
[02:36] <smo> well, it's google-fodder atleast, thanks
[02:36] <rapha> A SPLASH SCREEN!!!
[02:37] <king_arthur> Matt|: back here
[02:37] <rapha> Are these HOARY CDs???
[02:37] <Matt|> hi
[02:37] <Treenaks> ica: also, you might want to set the gnome proxy settings as default using gconftool
[02:37] <Treenaks> rapha: no, live CDs
[02:37] <Matt|> rapha, a grub splash screen? or boot screen?
[02:38] <ica> Treenaks, which string do i need to search in gconftool?
[02:38] <rapha> And a dang pretty boot screen too, if I may says so.
[02:38] <rapha> Matt|: boot screen. And there was a graphical grub screen as well, of course.
[02:38] <NOCD> hi
[02:38] <Treenaks> ica: there's a howto.. let me search
[02:38] <Matt|> kewl
[02:38] <Matt|> rapha, is that gnoppix?
[02:39] <rapha> Matt|: Nope, Ubuntu
[02:39] <ica> Treenaks, i have a system/http_proxy already set in gconftool (because i used network proxy tool in gnome probably)
[02:39] <Matt|> is the ubuntu live cd similar to gnoppix?
[02:39] <rapha> Treenaks: then hopefully hoary will have this same bootscreen in the installed version?
[02:39] <Treenaks> ica: yes, you have to set that manually, as roto
[02:39] <smo> as I read it, they're one in the same now  (gnoppix's latest release was warty, and they give @canonical.com as their contact info)
[02:39] <Treenaks> ica: as root even..
[02:39] <NOCD> if no cd rom is detected by ubuntu install, what ca i do?
[02:39] <Treenaks> ica: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01.html
[02:40] <Treenaks> ica: like this: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch01s06.html#gconf-10
[02:40] <rapha> Matt|: Similar... well, urm, you pop it in and it boots. Like all Live CDs do, nope?
[02:40] <Matt|> rapha, sure but I read on the gnoppix website that it is based on ubuntu, so I assumed they would be the same
[02:40] <rapha> Only thing that could be slightly confusing is that it's showing "ramdisk" on the desktop.
[02:40] <ica> thanks
[02:41] <rapha> Matt|: The Ubuntu Live CD is based on Gnoppix (as I hear) which in turn is based on Knoppix, which is based on Debian.
[02:41] <jdub> gnoppix is now based on ubuntu :)
[02:41] <jdub> ubuntu live cd is built with morphix
[02:41] <Matt|> rapha, other way round i believe
[02:42] <Matt|> ah thanks jdub
[02:42] <rapha> Okay, sorry for the non-information then.
[02:44] <rapha> jdub: When I ordered those CDs I didn't know so many Windows users around here were interested in Ubuntu, so I only ordered 25. Will there be such a CD ordering programme for Hoary again?
[02:44] <jdub> yeah
[02:44] <rapha> Cool
[02:46] <rapha> Hey, that reminds me -- when can we buy Ubuntu T-Shirts? :-)
[02:46] <jdub> you can on cafepress
[02:46] <Treenaks> jdub: cafepress t-shirts aren't ubuntu-brown.. they're white
[02:46] <jdub> yeah
[02:47] <jdub> we'll have other stuff going too, soon enough
[02:47] <rjek> OK.  I give up.  How do you stop windows from obscuring the panel when you maximise them in hoary?
[02:47] <rjek> And where are the panel's options?
[02:47] <Treenaks> I want an ubuntu-lightbrown ubuntu shirt :)
[02:47] <rapha> rjek: gconf-editor
[02:47] <rjek> Fantastic.
[02:47] <Treenaks> rapha: don't run xcompmgr :)
[02:47] <jdub> rjek: are you running xcompmgr?
[02:47] <rjek> jdub: Nope.
[02:47] <jdub> shouldn't happen then
[02:47] <jdub> killall metacity
[02:48] <rjek> Aha, that appears to do the trick.
[02:50] <rapha> Oh, and do you Ubuntu guys think it'd be possible to include XFCE, AbiWord and Gnumeric on the CD (not install, just include), so that you don't have to bring a second CD when you're installing Ubuntu on older hardware w/o internet access or only 56k?
[02:51] <daniels> rapha: the CD is dangerously close to full as is
[02:51] <rapha> Oh.
[02:52] <rapha> Then maybe sell a Ubuntu DVD with as much of main, universe, multiverse and whatever other repositories as fits on it?
[02:52] <rapha> But then... older hardware doesn't have DVD players
[02:52] <kensai> I hoped to see XFCE4.2 RC1 in Hoary since it is unstable but I'm stuck with the stable 4.0 :(
[02:53] <RomPres> Hi.  I finally decided to install ubuntu on my G4 Mac after experimenting with it on an older G4 and loving it.
[02:53] <RomPres> But...
[02:53] <rapha> kensai: There's this real excellent XFCE 4.2 RC1 installer. Just a few mouse clicks and it'll install it for you.
[02:53] <rapha> kensai: Just look on the XFCE page.
[02:53] <kensai> rapha, where I can find it have any direct link?
[02:53] <rapha> second
[02:53] <RomPres> The installer runs, and when it goes to load drivers while polling for CD-ROM drives, I get an error:  "Error while running 'modprobe -v aic7xxx'"
[02:54] <RomPres> I have an option to continue, but when I do, the installer just hangs.
[02:54] <RomPres> I have a SCSI card installed with a 9GB drive I'll be wanting to use as my boot volume.
[02:54] <RomPres> Any ideas?  Googling on the error indicates at least one other person has had this trouble with a debian installation.
[02:55] <RomPres> But that was oddly related to his network card.
[02:56] <rapha> kensai: With goodies or without goodies
[02:56] <rapha> s//?
[02:56] <Treenaks> scred2: goodie?
[02:56] <rapha> kensai: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=43 <-- XFCE
[02:57] <rapha> kensai: http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=44 <-- Goodies
[02:57] <kent> RomPres, you could try to remove your networkcard and see if it remains?
[02:57] <rapha> http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=45 <-- GTK + Engine
[02:57] <rapha> Oh wait, I got 44 and 45 twisted
[02:57] <kensai> rapha, thanks
[02:58] <rapha> np
[03:02] <RomPres> It's not a network card, it's a SCSI card.
[03:03] <RomPres> I removed the SCSI card and the installer continues just fine.
[03:03] <RomPres> Which sucks.
[03:03] <Treenaks> RomPres: try removing another PCI device. or moving the SCSI one around
[03:03] <RomPres> Because YDL used to work with this card just fine.
[03:03] <RomPres> I'll try that.
[03:03] <Treenaks> ydl? it's a mac?
[03:03] <RomPres> I don't want to use YDL anymore!
[03:03] <RomPres> Yes it's a Mac.
[03:03] <Treenaks> ah! important piece of info :)
[03:03] <RomPres> I believe I stated that at the beginning...
[03:04] <RomPres> [08:53]  <RomPres> Hi.  I finally decided to install ubuntu on my G4 Mac after experimenting with it on an older G4 and loving it.
[03:06] <RomPres> Damn.  Same crap.
[03:06] <RomPres> *sigh*
[03:06] <RomPres> I guess I'll have to deal with an IDE drive.
[03:06] <eruin> I just managed getting my pants wet from the knees down
[03:17] <Matt|> eruin, bit more information than necessary
[03:17] <Lowry> later
[03:26] <pastyhermit> I added my JDK to the path statement in /etc/profile but it is not taking effect
[03:26] <pastyhermit> where else does it need to be added?
[03:26] <Treenaks> pastyhermit: have you logged in again?
[03:26] <Treenaks> pastyhermit: /etc/profile is only parsed on login
[03:26] <pastyhermit> bleh
[03:27] <pastyhermit> alright
[03:27] <pastyhermit> bbias
[03:27] <granlatigo> hi
[03:28] <dad> hi from japan
[03:29] <pastyhermit> no soup
[03:29] <pastyhermit> didnt work
[03:29] <granlatigo> I have a problem when I type user&passsord in gdm splash screen, after that the screen ask me again for user&pass
[03:29] <scoon> pastyhermit: i put a source /etc/profile in my ~/.bashrc
[03:29] <dad> anyone using a G4 tower?
[03:29] <Treenaks> granlatigo: you might be entering it wrong..
[03:29] <granlatigo> does anyone knows what`s going on?
[03:29] <Treenaks> granlatigo: it's case-sensitive
[03:29] <granlatigo> no..
[03:29] <Treenaks> granlatigo: so check your caps-lock key, and if you are typing the right password
[03:30] <granlatigo> it's ok,
[03:30] <pastyhermit> dad,  heh I wish :D
[03:30] <Treenaks> granlatigo: does it "log in", and then come back
[03:30] <dad> hehe pasty
[03:30] <pastyhermit> got an ibook
[03:30] <granlatigo> yep
[03:30] <Treenaks> granlatigo: or does it just ask for the password again directly?
[03:30] <Kamion> granlatigo: check that the keymap is what you expect; type some of the characters from your password into the username field so that you can see them, and make sure they're right
[03:30] <dad> good for you  does ubuntu run ok?
[03:31] <granlatigo> Treenaks, it looks like if it where to load the desktop, but after a blank screen it ask me again user&pass
[03:31] <pastyhermit> yes it runs rather well
[03:31] <pastyhermit> except for the evil broadcomm corporattion my wireless doesnt work nativly
[03:31] <Treenaks> granlatigo: did you do anything special?
[03:31] <pastyhermit> but other than that its phenominally well done
[03:31] <kensai> I can't even follow it when it is running
[03:31] <granlatigo> mm
[03:31] <Treenaks> granlatigo: (break off an install, upgrade, anything)
[03:31] <restrex> me llegaron recien los cds de ubuntu
[03:31] <restrex> !!!!!!!!!!!
[03:32] <granlatigo> i tryed to install lilo
[03:32] <restrex> :D:D:D:D:D:D
[03:32] <dad> ah yes thats the only thing keeping me from sticking on al pb
[03:32] <kensai> restrex, good for you man
[03:32] <granlatigo> restrex, yo espero aun en Canarias
[03:32] <restrex> :D:D:D:D i'm so happy ubuntu rocks
[03:32] <restrex> :D:D:D:D
[03:32] <Treenaks> granlatigo: don't do that :)
[03:32] <kensai> granlatigo, I'm waitning for the cds here in Puerto Rico
[03:32] <granlatigo> jajajajaa
[03:32] <pastyhermit> dad, I got a dwl-122, so I do have wireless
[03:32] <Treenaks> granlatigo: and log in on the console, and check your .xsession-errors for messages
[03:32] <dad> no sound on the tower cds wont play and the nvidia drivers are awful  apart from that its nice
[03:33] <pastyhermit> but you will have to do some tinkering to get it to work
[03:33] <granlatigo> kensai, here in gran n
[03:33] <pastyhermit> particularly install the wlan-ng drivers
[03:33] <granlatigo> kensai, here in gran canaria there is a place called puerto rico
[03:33] <granlatigo> Treenaks, there i go
[03:33] <dad> hmm i have an airport extreme in the pb ,,,grrr
[03:33] <kensai> granlatigo, LOL but I'm on Puerto Rico the island
[03:33] <pastyhermit> dad, I know
[03:34] <pastyhermit> its the evil broadcomm corporation
[03:34] <pastyhermit> same problem with my Dell
[03:34] <granlatigo> kensai, i suppose
[03:34] <dad> yep i signed the petition
[03:34] <granlatigo> lol
[03:34] <dad> now that;ll change things a bit !  not
[03:35] <dad> pity no sound  cant really make a fair comparison with osx
[03:35] <pastyhermit> I say we DDOS em lol
[03:35] <pastyhermit> no just kidding
[03:35] <pastyhermit> it really pisses me off though
[03:35] <pastyhermit> I dont want to be stuck runing win-doze
[03:35] <pastyhermit> its for the "close" minded
[03:35] <dad> yeah still  wait a year or so mb lol
[03:36] <dad> well if noone has any suggestions for sound better get googling i guess
[03:36] <granlatigo> Treenaks, (gnome-terminal:3950): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[03:36] <granlatigo> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specifie
[03:36] <granlatigo> Destroying .si
[03:36] <granlatigo> The application 'Gecko' lost its connection to the display :0.0;
[03:36] <granlatigo> most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed
[03:36] <granlatigo> the application.
[03:37] <RomPres> I have a G4 tower...
[03:38] <pastyhermit> dad, sorry, mine just worked
[03:38] <dad> hi Rompres any sound?
[03:38] <RomPres> Ubuntu runs fantastically on an original G4 I installed it on.  But I'm having trouble instaiing it on my "production" box which has an Adaptec SCSI card in it.
[03:38] <RomPres> Yep.  Sound works, though it seems rather LOW.  But I don't have external speakers connected.
[03:38] <dad> to be specific my I can get the pc speaker to work but not my usb soundsticks
[03:38] <RomPres> Oh....I don't have soundsticks.
[03:38] <kapputu> dad what are you doing here!!!
[03:39] <dad> ?
[03:39] <kapputu> :-p
[03:39] <pastyhermit> grr
[03:39] <pastyhermit> stupid ubuntu
[03:39] <pastyhermit> I cant get eclipse to fire from my gui
[03:39] <kapputu> what did it do?
[03:39] <dad> its bloody interesting lol
[03:39] <kapputu> why not?
[03:39] <dad> rythmbox grr how do i start this thing?
[03:40] <pastyhermit> path statements are being a pain and when I launch it it says it cant find startup.jar wich is in the same dir I am launcing it from!
[03:40] <dad> hehe
[03:40] <dad> my mrs has jars in the kitchen
[03:41] <pastyhermit> dad, java programming .jar files are byte code archives
[03:41] <dad> cool sorry its hard for me  i tunred 69 the other day and this technology is just giving me a real thrashing lol
[03:41] <Treenaks> jar files are zip files with a java taste
[03:42] <pastyhermit> dad, you serious dude
[03:42] <pastyhermit> thats awesome!
[03:42] <kapputu> tar files to be exact
[03:42] <dad> what is ?
[03:42] <kapputu> jar files
[03:42] <pastyhermit> that fact that your 69 and you run leenux :D
[03:42] <kapputu> tar is tape archive
[03:42] <dad> well i wouldnt say run exactly hehe
[03:43] <Treenaks> kapputu: no, jar files are zip files.. not blessed tars
[03:43] <dad> is there an age limit on linux or something?
[03:43] <kapputu> hmm you could say that but if you look at the jar program it supports exactly the same options as tar
[03:44] <kapputu> yeah strictly 1-140
[03:44] <pastyhermit> dad, nope Im just happy cause my mom cant even do windows :D
[03:44] <dad> hehe
[03:44] <pastyhermit> and she swears at me when it "doesnt work"
[03:45] <pastyhermit> or she "cant find the address bar"
[03:45] <dad> i have the same problem supporting my father in Oz hes on xp and hes 93
[03:46] <Treenaks> dad: get him on ubuntu as well :)
[03:46] <dad> he started puters when he was 91 lol
[03:46] <kapputu> lol
[03:46] <dad> haha yeah grrrr good idea
[03:46] <kapputu> he'll live longer if he uses Ubuntu
[03:47] <Treenaks> kapputu: "Ubuntu: Recommended by your MD"?
[03:47] <kapputu> all the banging on the head he has to do if he uses windows will be saved
[03:47] <dad> yeah hed give up the puter and exercise a lot more
[03:47] <pastyhermit> kapputu, yeah hehehe
[03:47] <kapputu> Ubuntu :- A longer and better life ... - I can imagine an ad like this on TV in a few years
[03:48] <pastyhermit> if he cant figure out the path statement anyone cant lol
[03:48] <dad> well better google usb audio sigh thanks guys have fun
[03:48] <kapputu> Ask your local doctor now.. if he doesn't know , make him use Ubuntu
[03:48] <dad> night
[03:48] <Treenaks> dad: oh usb audio should work
[03:48] <kapputu> bye
[03:48] <Treenaks> dad: what's the problem?
[03:49] <dad> I saw the modules but cant route from internal speaker to soundsticks
[03:49] <dad> only thing stopping me really enjoying ubuntu
[03:49] <dad> no Frank Sinatra while I scratch my head
[03:49] <Treenaks> dad: so you want to use the external speakers instead of the built-in ones
[03:49] <dad> yes
[03:49] <Treenaks> dad: uh.. let me think :)
[03:49] <dad> hehe appreciated
[03:50] <Treenaks> it has to do with forcing the order of loading the drivers I think
[03:50] <dad> sounds reasonable
[03:50] <pastyhermit> dad usb audio?
[03:50] <Treenaks> pastyhermit: yes
[03:50] <Treenaks> dad: open a terminal
[03:50] <dad> ok
[03:51] <Treenaks> dad: then type "lsmod | grep snd" (without the "")
[03:51] <Treenaks> dad: and paste the output to www.pastebin.com
[03:51] <rapha> Cool, I just finished The Day Of The Tentacle the first time in my life.
[03:51] <dad> ok done
[03:52] <dad> umm how ? sorry
[03:52] <Treenaks> dad: you know how to copy/paste?
[03:52] <dad> hehe yeah
[03:52] <Treenaks> dad: well, copy the output in the terminal to the web form on www.pastebin.com and click "send"
[03:53] <Treenaks> dad: so we can read it :)
[03:53] <dad> oh  okies lemme see browser...umm
[03:53] <sparehead1> thats awwsome!
[03:53] <Treenaks> sparehead1: what is?
[03:54] <dad> done
[03:54] <sparehead1> www.pastebin.com thats gota make trouble shooting for you guys a whole lot easier
[03:54] <Treenaks> dad: ok, now in the same terminal type:
[03:54] <Lobo> oi
[03:54] <Treenaks> dad: sudo nano /etc/modules
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: it'll ask for your password, enter that
[03:55] <Lobo> te fode bicha
[03:55] <dad> ok
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: then you'll see the contents of the configuration file
[03:55] <dad> yep
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: add two new lines to the end of it, the first one with:
[03:55] <Treenaks> snd_powermac
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: the second one with only:
[03:55] <Treenaks> snd_usb_audio
[03:55] <Treenaks> uh
[03:55] <dad> snd-powermac is there
[03:55] <Treenaks> reverse that
[03:55] <Treenaks> dad: ah.. add snd_usb_audio before that then
[03:56] <Treenaks> wait
[03:56] <Treenaks> just remove snd-powermavc
[03:56] <dad> remove snd_powermac?
[03:56] <Treenaks> dad: even better, put a "#" in front of it
[03:56] <dad> comment it out ok
[03:57] <Treenaks> then a reboot should do the trick
[03:57] <dad> ok ill give it a burl cya shortly i hope hehe
[03:57] <Treenaks> (you could mess around with unloading and re-loading modules, but thats messy)
[03:57] <Treenaks> good luck
[03:58] <dad> thnks spock cheers
[04:01] <Treenaks> dad: did it work?
[04:01] <dad> heyas
[04:01] <dad> man you get a carrot lol  np
[04:01] <dad> nearly knowcked me off my chair
[04:02] <Treenaks> :)
[04:02] <dad> you a real guru or wot?
[04:02] <dad> thanks so much for that
[04:02] <Treenaks> dad: it's just a common problem :)
[04:03] <dad> mb but to me its like chicken bones and eye of newt  lol
[04:03] <dad> now if i could just get my Puccini cd to play
[04:05] <dad> sorry to be a pain treenaks but xmms says no cd in /dev/cdrom  mb the path is wrong
[04:05] <ica> hi, is there a way to disable ipv6 all together in ubuntu? it is causing severe slowness in all the system
[04:05] <bob2> please file a bug
[04:05] <bob2> and include straces of programs that are slow
[04:06] <umarmung> Anyone elese here having problems with evolution & IMAP on hoary?
[04:06] <umarmung> else
[04:06] <ica> it is a custom configuration, we are using ldap to do authentication
[04:06] <ica> so login and ssh is really slow
[04:06] <bob2> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2443
[04:06] <ica> and so far i cant get gdm to authenticate
[04:06] <jdub> ica: someone mentioned a good way of doing it on the users list
[04:06] <bob2> umarmung: if they had, it'd be in the bug system :)
[04:07] <umarmung> :( haven't found anything in bugzilla
[04:08] <dad> eep it works
[04:08] <dad> crackle pop play lol
[04:09] <dad> should i hdparm my cdplayer?
[04:09] <ica> jdub: is there a way to search that user list?
[04:10] <jdub> ica: i don't think so atm, but google isn't too bad with it
[04:13] <ica> jdub: ldap site:lists.ubuntu.com returns nothing
[04:20] <ica> i tried to reboot ubuntu, and now it's stuck loading at "setting up ICE socket directory"
[04:23] <ica> :( what can i do?
[04:24] <ica> hmm i pressed ctrl-c and it continued booting
[04:28] <tenco> hi
[04:29] <tenco> why is the package paw++/paw not installable over universe ubuntu despite its available in debian
[04:29] <tenco> ?
[04:30] <dn3> does anyone know if ubuntu has ndiswrapper instaaleed
[04:30] <Kamion> tenco: when was it added to Debian?
[04:30] <Kamion> tenco: we froze universe in June 2004
[04:32] <Rod> hello
[04:32] <demon666_nl> hi
[04:32] <Rod> I searched the internet, looked the forum... I cant get my problem solved though.
[04:32] <Rod> I use ubuntu for a pretty while, last week i got a new computer with a nforce3 motherboard
[04:32] <Rod> The problem is that ubuntu sees the network well (lsmod shows the right module, forcedeth, loaded)
[04:33] <Rod> but i still aint got internet
[04:33] <Rod> no ping or whatsoever
[04:33] <Rod> there was a file with my hostname and everything in it, which it had to be gotten from the internet
[04:33] <Rod> My question now is what data you need to see exactly what the problem is
[04:33] <Rod> or where it is :)
[04:33] <GotD0t> anybody have any trouble getting GPG to lock memory after upgrading to Hoary?
[04:33] <tenco> Kamion: iam not sure. packages.debian.org reports a version "2004.01.20-8" for i386
[04:34] <Rod> *network... i mean networdcard
[04:34] <Kamion> tenco: that's available in hoary universe (although not for amd64)
[04:34] <Kamion> tenco: chances are it just didn't build properly for warty
[04:34] <Kamion> tenco: in general we put very little effort into fixing build problems in universe
[04:34] <tenco> Kamion: yes, but paw-common, which is needed by paw++, is not
[04:35] <Kamion> tenco: sure it is, I see it
[04:35] <Kamion> Package: paw-common
[04:35] <Kamion> Priority: optional
[04:35] <Kamion> Section: universe/science
[04:36] <Rod> nobody can tell my why my network card is detected, but dhcp doesnt work? :-/
[04:36] <Rod> it works flawlesly in windows
[04:36] <Rod> and also in gentoo  and fedora
[04:36] <Rod> not in debian (installer rc2)
[04:36] <tenco> Kamion: not in my selection
[04:37] <drac> not supported by debian yet
[04:37] <drac> ;)
[04:37] <tenco> Kamion: is synaptic updating the universe package-list?
[04:37] <Rod> debian includes the forcedeth drivers as well drac ... but they 'fail' to load
[04:37] <tenco> Kamion: or should i go for apt-get update?
[04:37] <Rod> cant figure out why
[04:39] <Kamion> tenco: should do if it's in sources.list
[04:44] <stvn> hm, my computer clock is running at the wrong speed, any suggestions how to solve it?
[04:44] <RubenV> stvn: how do you mean?
[04:44] <stvn> RubenV: it's too slow
[04:44] <RubenV> laptop
[04:44] <RubenV> that's normal
[04:44] <stvn> nope old desktop computer
[04:44] <RubenV> try doing something like
[04:45] <RubenV> md5sum /dev/urandom
[04:45] <RubenV> and it'll throttle up
[04:45] <RubenV> old desktop pc?
[04:45] <RubenV> is it an ubuntu only issue?
[04:45] <stvn> amd 400 with AT mobo
[04:45] <stvn> nope, it's a general linux issue
[04:45] <stvn> 1 sec takes about 2sec real time
[04:46] <RubenV> heh that's strange
[04:49] <stvn> anyone any suggestion?
[04:52] <GotD0t> i uninstalled GPG which i installed by way of apt-get, and then i compiled and installed it myself, and now when i run the command gpg it tells me that /usr/bin/gpg doesnt exist, which it doesnt because its now located in /usr/local/bin/gpg... how do i change it so it looks for it in the correct place?
[04:52] <GoneBoB> GotD0t: restart your shell
[04:52] <Kamion> hash -r gpg
[04:52] <Kamion> sorry, hash -d gpg
[04:52] <GotD0t> gonebob: worked... thanks
[05:05] <siretart> GotD0t: `hash -r` would also have worked
[05:11] <dad> ubuntu is amazingly good
[05:11] <tjsavio> quit
[05:16] <Gwildor> hello
[05:17] <Rene_S> Ola
[05:18] <Bliksem> whats the setting to make nautilus open windows in the same window?
[05:18] <Bliksem> *folders in the same window
[05:20] <birme> Computer->Desktop Preferences->File Management
[05:23] <Bliksem> birme then what?
[05:23] <Gwildor> is it know that the ubuntu update manager doesnt update the source list (apt-get update), before it searches for upgrades
[05:23] <Gwildor> kinda makes it pointless
[05:23] <Qo-noS> Bliksem: gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser true
[05:24] <birme> Bliksem: the second tab from the left
[05:24] <birme> first checkbox from the top
[05:24] <jiyuu0|work> Bliksem, FYI http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#openfoldersamewindow
[05:25] <sparehead1> whats the difference between universe and multiverse in sources.list?
[05:25] <jdub> universe == free
[05:25] <jdub> multiverse == non-free
[05:25] <sparehead1> ahhh, kewl
[05:26] <sparehead1> its still a very very BAD thing to cross the streams, I mean have debian sources in your ubuntu source.list right?
[05:27] <Gwildor> yeah
[05:27] <ironwolf> sparehead1: yes, don't cross the streams.... :)
[05:28] <Bliksem> thanks
[05:28] <sparehead1> right on
[05:35] <koio> hi.
[05:35] <koio> how does ubuntu compare to gentoo?
[05:35] <jk> like apples to pears
[05:35] <sparehead1> hmm dont have to compile everything from source
[05:36] <koio> oh.  so it's a binary distro.
[05:36] <jk> yup
[05:36] <jk> you can compile from source though
[05:36] <sdr> my ubuntu install is ignoring all but the first domain in my search list in resolv.conf.
[05:40] <ironwolf> sdr: what have you tried to verify this?
[05:47] <sdr> actually, nevermind, I did an apt-get update a couple days ago and I can no longer reproduce the problem.
[05:52] <sparehead1> is there a new version or name for w32codecs, I'm just trying to get some codecs installed so I can watch and listen to stuff. Do I really need w32codecs (is that like win32 like wma codecs?) or should I be cool with the gstreamer ones
[05:52] <ironwolf> sdr: glad it's fixed. :)
[05:53] <kent> sparehead1, i dont know if the totem with gstreamer backend can use those codecs, but totem-xine does. I think you get support for fare more codecs with w32codecs.
[05:56] <sparehead1> ok. Is there a special way to get it cause when i try to apt-get it it says that its missing but refered to by another package
[05:57] <mjr> gstreamer does indeed not currently have support for w32codecs
[05:57] <mjr> such a plugin hasn't apparently been a priority
[05:58] <sparehead1> on a COMPETELY different note, does anyone know a good bit-torrent client that dont use java?
[05:58] <Pathfinder> Hi, am a relatively new linux user (BTW, Ubuntu is much easier for newbie to handle than MDK), and need to reed .pdf's in firefox. Battling to set up acrobat reader - can enayone help?  Have copied the file, as instructed, into plug-in directory.
[05:58] <mjr> sparehead1, bittornado works well enough
[05:58] <deFrysk> Pathfinder, use xpdf
[05:58] <sparehead1> k
[05:58] <Pathfinder> deFrysk: How do I get Xpdf to open them in firefox?
[05:59] <deFrysk> open with...
[05:59] <deFrysk> then select xpdf
[05:59] <deFrysk>  /usr/bin/xpdf
[05:59] <jiyuu0> Pathfinder, acroread plugin http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[05:59] <deFrysk> to be precise
[06:00] <deFrysk> ow IN firefox
[06:00] <deFrysk> ok
[06:01] <lala> anybody help me : iget this error when i boot device-mapper dm-linear device lookup failed?
[06:01] <lala> anybody help me : iget this error when i boot device-mapper dm-linear device lookup failed?
[06:03] <Pathfinder> jiyuu0: thanks
[06:06] <jiyuu0> Pathfinder, no prob
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> well i think i'm about to install ubuntu
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> not before i back up 20 gigs though
[06:10] <jiyuu0> NetwrkMonkey, and u r currently using...
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> SuSE
[06:10] <NetwrkMonkey> :-)
[06:11] <jiyuu0> ah... kde -> gnome
[06:11] <NetwrkMonkey> well SuSE 8.1 on the box i'm installing it on
[06:11] <NetwrkMonkey> yup switching back to gnome
[06:11] <jiyuu0> suse -> colourful
[06:11] <jiyuu0> ubuntu -> plain
[06:11] <NetwrkMonkey> i used ximian for the longest time and i've been keeping an eye on the development
[06:13] <eruin> Netminder: you won't regret it :)
[06:13] <eruin> err, NetwrkMonkey
[06:13] <eruin> apart from the fact that xchat's nick completion is unbelievably sloppy
[06:14] <eruin> now allow me to install some expos-like hacks :)
[06:15] <jiyuu0> eruin, and what does the hack do
[06:16] <eruin> guess
[06:16] <NetwrkMonkey> well i've known thatt
[06:16] <eruin> http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html
[06:17] <sparehead1> make the nick complition not sloppy?
[06:17] <eruin> expos ... ie alt-tab improved
[06:18] <jiyuu0> issit... let me check
[06:18] <sparehead1> damn, really thought i had that one
[06:18] <eruin> apparently it's been proposed for metacity-inclusion
[06:19] <eruin> only trouble is, ofcourse, that that particular file is dead-old
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> dear god it takes an ice age to bzip2 a 500 mb tar
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> well 700 mb
[06:19] <eruin> last iceage or the one before that?
[06:19] <NetwrkMonkey> the one before lol
[06:20] <NetwrkMonkey> I do weekley backups
[06:20] <jedthehumanoid> have anyone had any luck compiling trident driver or any other driver from source?
[06:20] <NetwrkMonkey> just now putting them on cd
[06:20] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: You mean for x.org ?
[06:21] <jedthehumanoid> no, for xfree86 at the moment...i seem to be missing a host.def file...
[06:21] <eruin> I need a place to follow metacity development
[06:21] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: Don't know, sorry
[06:21] <jedthehumanoid> thx anyway
[06:22] <jedthehumanoid> but the right way to go if you need the X sources is apt-get source xserver-xfree86 right?
[06:22] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: I think so.
[06:22] <daniels> or xserver-xorg
[06:23] <sirfred> jedthehumanoid: That's the debian way
[06:23] <jedthehumanoid> daniels, yeah
[06:23] <sirfred> I would like to have mach64 dri support in x.org.
[06:23] <jedthehumanoid> but i dont seem to get the host.def...for my system, is there anyway to generate och create one on my own?
[06:24] <sirfred> Perhaps I need to compile the package xserver-xorg myself.
[06:24] <jedthehumanoid> och/or*
[06:25] <NetwrkMonkey> is it possible to use Xorg in Warty ?
[06:25] <mp_> hi...just installed Ubuntu, but Grub fails to load in first reboot at stage 1.5, returning error 21 (described here: http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=6846)
[06:26] <Kamion> 21 : Selected disk does not exist
[06:26] <Kamion>      This error is returned if the device part of a device- or full
[06:26] <Kamion>      file name refers to a disk or BIOS device that is not present or
[06:26] <Kamion>      not recognized by the BIOS in the system.
[06:26] <Kamion> sounds like something between grub's device.map and the BIOS is confused
[06:34] <mp_> Kamion: thx, it looks like a problem w/ HPT370 controller then...
[06:35] <Kamion> mp_: highpoint? sounds like Ubuntu bug #2254
[06:35] <RubenV> HPT370 support in linux is problematic
[06:35] <Kamion> it's assigned to me, but I don't really know how to start going about debugging it
[06:35] <RubenV> i have one on my desktop
[06:35] <mp_> Kamion: yes... i will have a look...
[06:35] <RubenV> but i'm not using it for anything advanced
[06:36] <Kamion> help appreciated, but I'm afraid I don't really know where to tell you to start
[06:36] <RubenV> (i'm just not using my desktop recently actually :))
[06:36] <mp_> i had problem with HPT370 in Redhat 7.3 (there was no driver) but with Redhat 8.0/9.0 onwards there were no problems
[06:37] <Matt|> anyone know how to use ImageMagick and convert quite well?
[06:38] <pridkett> Matt|: what do you need to do?
[06:38] <RubenV> Matt|: what do you want to do?
[06:38] <Matt|> *laughs*
[06:38] <RubenV> :D
[06:38] <RubenV> mogrify is also nice btw, part of ImageMagick too
[06:39] <pridkett> RubenV: they're basically the same thing, mogrify just does the stuff in place
[06:39] <Matt|> pridkett, RubenV, I have a folder full of my parents digital photos. I want to seek out the ones which are longer vertically than horizontally and turn them 90 degrees
[06:39] <Matt|> is that gonna be possible?
[06:39] <Kamion> mp_: interesting, wonder what RH did
[06:39] <RubenV> pridkett: true, but i've spent ages using convert before finding out mogrify existed
[06:40] <RubenV> damn i hated myself when i found that out :)
[06:40] <pridkett> Matt|: yup, mogrify is the tool you'll want
[06:40] <wasabi> Is there any reasource for ubuntu help with a lucent ltmodem?
[06:40] <Matt|> pridkett, it is command line right?
[06:40] <pridkett> yeah
[06:40] <Matt|> ok cool
[06:40] <RubenV> Matt|: i do that with gthumb
[06:40] <Matt|> is there a good man page
[06:40] <Matt|> ?
[06:40] <mp_> Kamion: they integrated the driver that HP provided the source for, and it seemed to work.. the HP driver also worked for me in RH 7.3
[06:40] <RubenV> gthumb can read exif tags about orientation
[06:40] <RubenV> if they are there
[06:41] <Matt|> yeah i dunno about that
[06:41] <RubenV> so it automattically rotates according to how the camera was used
[06:41] <RubenV> *automatically
[06:41] <pridkett> That's probably what you'll want to do
[06:41] <Kamion> tip of the day: it helps if you install packages of the right architecture *sigh*
[06:42] <Matt|> probably
[06:42] <RubenV> that alone makes gthumb a killer app :)
[06:42] <kristjan> anybody had success with tvout on ati radeon 9600 M10 mobility?
[06:43] <Matt|> k i fired up gthumb and it crashed straight away
[06:43] <Matt|> killer app...
[06:43] <RubenV> :D
[06:43] <RubenV> works great normally
[06:43] <Matt|> i can't get it working
[06:43] <RubenV> guess it'll have to be some console magic then
[06:43] <Matt|> it opens and then crashes
[06:44] <Matt|> i was looking for console magic anyhow ;p
[06:44] <RubenV> :)
[06:44] <RubenV> mogrify then
[06:44] <Matt|> RubenV, you running hoary?
[06:44] <RubenV> Matt|: yes
[06:44] <Matt|> and gthumb works?
[06:44] <RubenV> yes
[06:44] <Matt|> try and do something in it
[06:45] <RubenV> works great
[06:45] <pridkett> Matt|: you can use the package exif from universe, then run this command to get the orientation of each picture: exif  *.jpg -t 0xa406 | grep Value | sed -e "s/  Value: \(.*\)/\1/"
[06:46] <Matt|> omg
[06:46] <pridkett> That will return Portrait or Standard for each one
[06:46] <Matt|> perhaps something easier
[06:46] <RubenV> horribly complex :D
[06:47] <Matt|> RubenV, you are up2date?
[06:47] <kristjan> pridkett: nice 1
[06:47] <RubenV> Matt|: about 8hours old
[06:47] <Matt|> hmm
[06:48] <Matt|> what the hell is wrong with my gthumb
[06:48] <Rod> hi, my network aint working in ubuntu. What data do you need to analyse?
[06:48] <Rod> it aint on the forum or faqs
[06:48] <Matt|> Rod, ifconfig -a
[06:49] <Rod> eh i did ifconfig... not sure what came out if it though :)
[06:49] <Rod> lsmod showed all drivers loaded, included the forcedeth which this netword card uses
[06:49] <bob2> that's not the greatest debugging tool
[06:49] <bob2> ouchy, forcedeth
[06:49] <Rod> ifconfig shows 2 network devices.. one at eth0, one sth (or so)0
[06:50] <Rod> i prefer ubuntu / debian so much above others... but gentoo and fc3 detects it flawlessly and it works alright :-/ (unfortunately :p)
[06:50] <bob2> did you try noacpi and apic=off?
[06:50] <Rod> ill do an ifconfig with the live cd.. .any other commands you  need?
[06:50] <bob2> nvidia chipsets seem to be buggy wrt that a lot.
[06:50] <Rod> nope, didnt try it yet.. ill write that one down too
[06:50] <Rod> yeah, its a asus k8n nforce3
[06:51] <Rod> something else i need to try out?
[06:52] <Rod> wish me luch then :)
[06:58] <Matt|> jdub, you around?
[06:58] <pridkett> Matt|: this script is rapidly becoming more complex than I thought it should be.  Apparently there are lots of issues with rotating photos and making sure the exif tags get done correctly
[06:58] <Matt|> pridkett, *laughs*
[06:58] <Matt|> pridkett, i just had a look in the man and couldn't understand anything
[06:58] <Matt|> but if I open gthumb with a file it appears to work so I'll try that
[06:59] <siretart> whom do I need to kiss his feet for thanking for updating multisync now supporting evolution2?
[07:01] <Matt|> pridkett, can gthumb do batch processing of photos? doesn't seem to be able to when I select more than one photo in the folder view
[07:06] <pridkett> Matt|: Not sure.  I've got a script for you that works for most photos though
[07:06] <ironwolf> siretart: when in doubt, kiss daniels feet. :)
[07:06] <Matt|> pridkett, ooh thats nice of you
[07:06] <Matt|> ironwolf, yeah that's the general rule
[07:07] <siretart> daniels: many many kudos for updating multisync! :)
[07:07] <daniels> siretart: er, I did?
[07:07] <Matt|> pridkett, gulliver666@yahoo.it
[07:07] <Matt|> oops
[07:07] <Matt|> yahoo.com
[07:07] <Matt|> sorry
[07:08] <Matt|> pridkett, better email it: i haven't set up dcc here
[07:09] <pridkett> Matt|: it's off
[07:09] <pridkett> lemme know if it can't handle some photos
[07:09] <Matt|> pridkett, i've already started rotating some of them - is that gonna be a problem>
[07:09] <Matt|> ?
[07:09] <siretart> daniels: nope, ironwolf claimed that. kudos to Michael Bank!
[07:10] <mp_> Kamion: hmm.., so no Ubuntu for me, unless I want to downgrade to use UDMA 66 then... a shame..
[07:10] <birme> siretart: multisync including the evo2 plugin?
[07:10] <daniels> siretart: thanks for the compliment, however :)
[07:11] <pridkett> Matt|: it looks at the orientation and image size.  If it is supposed to be rotated and looks like it already has (width < height) then it skips the file.
[07:11] <siretart> birme: yepp!
[07:11] <birme> ok, then it is a cvs snapshot I guess
[07:11] <pridkett> try it on a scratch directory first
[07:11] <siretart> birme: yepp!
[07:11] <Matt|> pridkett, ok i'll backup and then try
[07:11] <Matt|> thanks a million
[07:11] <siretart> birme: snapshot from 20041125
[07:12] <birme> siretart: good... then I think you've got the latest fixes too
[07:12] <Matt|> pridkett, just exim i need right?
[07:13] <pridkett> Matt|: exif and image magic
[07:13] <pridkett> not exim, exif
[07:13] <pridkett> :-)
[07:13] <Matt|> sorry
[07:14] <siretart> birme: I just tested it with irda and my siemens s55. works for me [tm]  :)
[07:15] <birme> siretart: ok, I'm using bluetooth and a t68i
[07:17] <birme> siretart: still it has problems by creating duplicate phone-book entries in the phone
[07:17] <Matt|> pridkett, problem. Is it going to work on filenames with space in them?
[07:17] <pridkett> hmmm...I dunno
[07:17] <pridkett> lemme fix
[07:17] <Matt|> *laughs*
[07:17] <siretart> birme: -v please, what do you mean with that?
[07:18] <sparehead1> ok I'm tryin to get acroread to work, would /usr/bin/Acrobat5/bin count as the install directory?
[07:18] <Matt|> ouch
[07:18] <socomm> Anyone got some tips on getting the i810 video driver working?
[07:18] <birme> siretart: I mean that if you've modified a contact in evo2 and then sync, it could add a duplicate entry of that contact in the phone
[07:18] <Matt|> socomm, what is wrong with it?
[07:19] <housetier> sparehead1 HOW are you trying to get it to work?
[07:19] <socomm> Matt|: Xorg only starts up to a black screen, and doesn't allow any sort of interaction after that.
[07:19] <siretart> sparehead1: why not installing the prepackaged acroread from marillat?
[07:19] <MobyTurbo> sparehead1, if you're installing it outside of the packaging system, use /usr/local as the stem name then make symlinks of the executable to /usr/local/bin
[07:20] <siretart> birme: ah, but it wont damage my contacts in the phone. ok
[07:20] <JDahl> socomm, at my work (testint/debian) machine I couldnt get it working also (I blame the cheap integrated Video card), but I can use Vesa... try that
[07:20] <birme> siretart: I suggest backup the contacts first though
[07:20] <skeff> why is there no mplayer package in repository?
[07:20] <birme> to be on the safe side
[07:20] <socomm> JDahl: what's the error you get?
[07:20] <siretart> birme: ok
[07:20] <MobyTurbo> skeff, legal problems. It's GPL but uses binary plugins.
[07:20] <Matt|> zopi, you are sure you're not looking for linux-headers?
[07:20] <lamont> zopi: linux-headers should have what you're after
[07:21] <JDahl> socomm, I dont remember anymore... sorry
[07:21] <sparehead1> i was reading the unoffial ubuntu guide and followed that i did a..
[07:21] <Matt|> zopi, linux-headers doesn't have to match your kernel number - they are backwards compatible
[07:21] <JDahl> socomm, I was with Vesa
[07:21] <JDahl> happy
[07:22] <socomm> JDahl: I got it semi usable after upgrading the BIOS.
[07:22] <zopi> Matt| = I wiill try thanks ;-)
[07:22] <sparehead1> apt-get install acroread and a acroread-plugin
[07:22] <pridkett> Matt|: the simple answer is no, it won't work with filenames with spaces
[07:22] <Matt|> pridkett, it's gonna be a bitch to rename them all ;)
[07:22] <pridkett> Matt|: Sorry, that requires some hacker that I don't have time to do
[07:22] <Matt|> pridkett, i will think of something :)
[07:23] <socomm> JDahl: I'm testing out the vesa driver now.
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> sparehead1, well, since that is *within* the packaging system disregard my /usr/local advice. It should have put acroread somewhere in your path.
[07:23] <Matt|> anyone know how to bulk rename?
[07:23] <Matt|> :p
[07:23] <skeff> You're telling me that the "Best media player" for linux, as awarded by Linux New Media AG, is not availiable in Ubuntu?  The open source principle handling is flawed, Flawed I tell yas! :D
[07:23] <Matt|> which?
[07:23] <zopi> rescue mode on CD ?
[07:23] <pridkett> for x in *; do y=`echo $x | sed -e "s/ /_/g"`; mv $x $y; done
[07:23] <zopi> MPlayer :)
[07:23] <pridkett> that's for Matt|
[07:23] <zopi> good or not ?
[07:23] <JDahl> socomm, do you have a Dell machine? mine is an optiplex... around the time when I installed testing (this spring) alot of people had problems with the Dell Optiplex w/ cheapo integrated graphics... I even had do downgrade the BIOS two releases to get the card working
[07:24] <Matt|> skeff, which?
[07:24] <skeff> Matt|, MPlayer
[07:24] <pridkett> Matt|: err...hold off
[07:24] <Matt|> skeff, search the wiki for RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <Matt|> pridkett, np i wouldn't know where to put it anyhow ;p
[07:24] <pridkett> for x in *; do y=`echo $x | sed -e "s/ /_/g"`; mv "$x" "$y"; done
[07:24] <pridkett> that's the right script
[07:24] <Matt|> skeff, you'll find out how to get mplayer
[07:24] <pridkett> that takes all the files in a directory and replaces the " " with "_"
[07:25] <pridkett> anywya, I should get back to work
[07:25] <Matt|> pridkett, omg i've gotta write that down
[07:25] <socomm> JDahl: The A08 BIOS is rumored to work, that's what I"m using now. My machine is a Dell Inspiron 2600.
[07:25] <Matt|> pridkett, you're a genius
[07:25] <skeff> Matt|, I thought the Universe repository was supposed to hold non-GPL software... well if Not, what about creating a repository for non-GPL software, which probably constitues an insane amount of excellent software?
[07:25] <Matt|> skeff, not my call :)
[07:25] <skeff> Matt|, But you agree?
[07:25] <sparehead1> so i had a look in /usr/bin/acroread cause it was giving errors about it couldn't find /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread when I looked it was acroread.sh so I added the .sh to usr/bin/acroread and now it says cannot find install directory
[07:25] <Matt|> skeff, i'm happy with it as it is
[07:25] <MobyTurbo> skeff, multiverse carrys legal but non-open-source. universe carries open-source only.
[07:26] <wood1> Hello to everybody
[07:26] <socomm> JDahl: Anhow the vesa driver doesn't seem to be working, it only goes into a multicolored mess that doesn't work at all.
[07:26] <skeff> MobyTurbo, multiverse..?
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> skeff, since mplayer as constructed breaks the law, ubuntu chose, like Debian, not to include it even in multiverse.
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> skeff, multiverse = Debian non-free
[07:26] <sparehead1> when I look in acroread.sh it says "install_dir=REPLACE_ME" so I thought i'd replace it i just dont know what with :/
[07:27] <wood1> I have a problem during my Ubuntu boot process, it stops with some weird Stack ... Trace call messages
[07:27] <JDahl> socomm, try changing the amount of allocated shared memory in the bios... I had to do that
[07:27] <zopi> MPlayer Debian : http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html
[07:27] <wood1> I have to restart my Ubuntu PC at least 2-3 times before it finally boots normally
[07:28] <socomm> JDahl: Video RAM?
[07:28] <sparehead1> siretart: whats the marillat one?
[07:28] <jiyuu0> sparehead1, how did u install acroread?
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty multiverse
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> is multiverse
[07:28] <sparehead1> sudo apt-get install acroread
[07:28] <wood1> By the way, I can't browse my Windows Workgroup anymore
[07:29] <wood1> It was working fine till yesterday
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> is marillat
[07:29] <JDahl> socomm, yes... it's probably set to 1M, but I could set it as high as 8M and that did it for me... The early BIOS releases had bug related to this issue, maybe that's what giving you trouble as well
[07:29] <MobyTurbo> but keep in mind this is not only an unofficial repository it is meant for Debian.
[07:30] <socomm> JDahl: Yeah read about that, but I don't see that option in my BIOS.
[07:30] <sparehead1> yeah, I'm trying not to cross the streams
[07:30] <sparehead1> any idea's as what would count as the install dir?
[07:31] <MobyTurbo> sparehead1, well, add multiverse and you can install a lot of non-free stuff without leaving ubuntu repos.
[07:31] <wood1> So what could be the problem which does not let me browse my Windows Workgroup Network anymore ?
[07:31] <JDahl> socomm, then I'm out of ideas...
[07:31] <sparehead1> got that in, had to have it to grab acroread I think
[07:32] <Vince-0> ANY1 got their ATI 9xxx card to run on debian (accelerated) ?
[07:32] <socomm> JDahl: Thanks anyhow :^)
[07:32] <sparehead1> I think I'll try some random dir's and if i get it to work I can file a useful bug report! WOHOO!
[07:32] <daniels> Vince-0: depends whether you mean 9000->9250, or 9550->9800
[07:32] <MobyTurbo> Vince-0, this isn't #debian. If you're running ubuntu the drivers are available in the restricted repository.
[07:33] <Vince-0> MobyTurbo , I got an 9600 XT I am having a hell of a time getting to install drivers
[07:33] <Vince-0> hehe
[07:33] <JDahl> Vince-0, On my laptop I have a mobile 9000 - and that's accelerated by default in XFree86. I also tried ATI's drivers, and they weren't faster
[07:34] <Vince-0> Well my 9600 drivers on ubuntu I think are just generic, nothings accelerated, not even the scrnsavers
[07:34] <JDahl> Vince-0, maybe you have to change driver to "radeon", but that should be it
[07:34] <rip024> hello everyone
[07:35] <calamari_> hi
[07:35] <Vince-0> JDahl : I tried, scrnsavers still jolt some
[07:35] <Vince-0> hehe
[07:35] <JDahl> Vince-0, what's your glxgears score?
[07:35] <Vince-0> JDahl : I dunno , not good with these drivers I think
[07:36] <jiyuu0> sparehead1, i think ur acroread is from a diff repository... i can't seem to find acroread.sh here
[07:36] <JDahl> Vince-0, could you possible try?
[07:36] <calamari_> has any GUI burning program surpassed xcdroast for features, etc?
[07:36] <JDahl> s/possible/possibly/
[07:36] <Vince-0> JDahl : I will nownow , I am in the wrong OS
[07:36] <wood1> Doesn't anybody know a fix to Networking in Samba for Ubuntu ?
[07:36] <MobyTurbo> calamari_, k3b, but you need to install KDE in order to use it.
[07:36] <rip024> I installed ubuntu thursday I'm having trouble understanding commands.  I've download some programs and can't get anything to work any help
[07:36] <calamari_> MobyTurbo: don't want to do that.. not a big kde fan :)
[07:37] <JDahl> MobyTurbo, you only kdelibs to run k3b, and apt-get will take care of it
[07:37] <calamari_> I suppose I could install the kde libs tho, right?
[07:37] <jiyuu0> rip024, what program?
[07:37] <rip024> i386
[07:37] <MobyTurbo> JDahl, of course apt-get takes care of it. :-)
[07:37] <calamari_> JDahl: hehe thanks :)
[07:38] <jiyuu0> i386 is not program... it's architecture
[07:38] <wood1> Does someone here know about Samba networking ?
[07:38] <jiyuu0> wood1, samba networking in what?
[07:38] <rip024> ubuntu new one 4.10
[07:39] <jiyuu0> wood1, samba networking in what?
[07:39] <JDahl> MobyTurbo, I didnt mean to be patronizing.. ;) I just meant that you dont much to get k3b running under gnome
[07:39] <jiyuu0> rip024, try http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[07:39] <sparehead1> hmm I've got archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty uni and multiverse and restricted. And security.ubuntu. Thats it
[07:39] <wood1> Well I can't browse from Ubuntu a Windows Workgroup anymore
[07:39] <rip024> I'll check it out
[07:39] <jiyuu0> wood1, sometimes i get that too... quite annoying
[07:39] <wood1> jiyuu0, it was working fine till yesterday
[07:39] <MobyTurbo> JDahl, OK. :-)
[07:39] <jiyuu0> try direct smb://pc/folder
[07:40] <sparehead1> I only installed all of this today so maybe some changes have been made since you installed? I dunno, I'm clutching at straws here
[07:40] <wood1> Ok I will try that
[07:40] <wood1> thanks
[07:40] <jiyuu0> no prob
[07:40] <speel> hey i need a lil help i installed enemy territory and the patch and when i went to load up the game x closed and came back up with a login screen any ideas?
[07:42] <Quest-Master> Hi
[07:42] <wood1> jiyuu0, well I get the same problem
[07:43] <wood1> I guess that I have to manually edit the samba.conf file
[07:43] <speel> any ideas ;[
[07:43] <wood1> But I really have to invest a lot of my time just to understand it
[07:43] <wood1> What I really don't understand is that it was suppose to be done automatically
[07:44] <jiyuu0> try by ip
[07:44] <gson> speel ive got the same problem, but with quake3, x doesnt like when you do vid_REstart or change displayrefresh :), try to write enemyterritory -w
[07:44] <wood1> In fact, I am using 2 PCs with Ubuntu Lnux
[07:44] <jiyuu0> smb://ip/folder
[07:44] <wood1> The PC with Warty works fine but the PC with Hoary does not
[07:44] <gson> window mode first then do fullscreen, need help with it also. its kinda fucked up:/
[07:45] <wood1> I have tried that too with much luck, jiyuu0
[07:45] <jiyuu0> can ping ip?
[07:46] <wood1> Yes I can ping the IP
[07:46] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu can use .deb files, correct?
[07:46] <jiyuu0> Quest-Master, ya
[07:46] <Quest-Master> Cool.
[07:46] <Quest-Master> I
[07:46] <Kamion> Quest-Master: Ubuntu is made up of .deb files
[07:46] <MobyTurbo> Quest-Master, yes, but you usually install them from apt repositories rather than directly.
[07:47] <Quest-Master> *I'm looking to move to Ubuntu because of it's support for Gnome.
[07:47] <jiyuu0> wood1, have u try restart?
[07:47] <Quest-Master> Currently on Suse, whose support for Gnome isn't good at all
[07:47] <jiyuu0> wood1, what have u done to ur smb.conf?
[07:47] <gson> jiyuu0 which mplayer should i use? the one in synaptic?
[07:48] <jiyuu0> wood1, u can try create another user account and try see can browse... might be ur gnome prob (guesing)
[07:48] <jiyuu0> gson, u using p4?
[07:48] <wood1> Well I will give it a try
[07:48] <jiyuu0> the mplayer ther not gui base
[07:48] <jiyuu0> and got problem with machines not p4
[07:48] <jiyuu0> go for xine-ui
[07:49] <jiyuu0> i use mplayer for streaming video in browser
[07:50] <socomm> jiyuu0: mplayer-plugin?
[07:50] <jiyuu0> mozilla-mplayer
[07:50] <jiyuu0> socomm, visit here for more info http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[07:51] <calamari_> are there any GUI shell programs that can have a changeable font and also the ability to go actual full screen (non-simulated), similar to Windows Alt-Enter?
[07:51] <jiyuu0> calamari_, what do u mean gui shell?
[07:51] <jiyuu0> calamari_, this? Ctrl + F1
[07:52] <calamari_> jiyuu0: I'm not running ubuntu yet, just prepping :)
[07:52] <jiyuu0> calamari_ sori Ctrl + Alt + F1
[07:52] <jiyuu0> ic
[07:52] <skeff> help! I don't get no sound from the mplayerplug-in in firefox, I've tried both with and without ESD
[07:52] <calamari_> jiyuu0: I know there are the regular consoles, no prob
[07:53] <jiyuu0> ok
[07:53] <MobyTurbo> calamari_, gnome terminal can change fonts. No full-screen though, for that you have to enter a console.
[07:53] <calamari_> jiyuu0: what I'm looking for is something like xterm, but where I can change the font and also be able to make it go full screen like a regualr console
[07:53] <calamari_> MobyTurbo: okay thanks
[07:53] <MobyTurbo> calamari_, you can even change fonts in xterm, but unlike gnome terminal you need to put it on a command line rather than a menu.
[07:53] <treeSnake> the info on how to create a mirror doesn't quite work for me. might i be missing something?
[07:54] <gwak> i upgrade to 'hoary' today -- it went 'ok' except it did not upgrade 'gdm' (held back). So when i restarted gdm i had multiple xsessions starting -- once i upgraded gdm everthing was fine -- should i report this as a bug ?
[07:55] <MobyTurbo> gwak, did you dist-upgrade?
[07:55] <gwak> MobyTurbo: yes
[07:56] <kristjan> hi, anybody successful with tv out issues on ati mobility radeon 9600? (Thinkpad T42 + Ubuntu)
[07:56] <MobyTurbo> gwak, if you dist-upgraded and it happened then it is a bug.
[07:56] <gwak> apt/dpk had marked gdm as 'held back' for as i noticed
[07:56] <treeSnake> rsync complains "No such file or directory"
[07:56] <nuOpus> hey whats up?
[07:56] <gwak> MobyTurbo, will do filling out a bug report now
[07:56] <MobyTurbo> gwak, usually but not always "held back" occurs when you upgrade but not if you dist-upgrade.
[07:57] <NV> hi, i seem to be having a problem with firefox 1.0.  i just upgraded using the built-in upgrade feature in firefox and now the back/forward buttons dont work and my homepage cant be changed from the firefox page. can anyone help (sorry, if this is an easy fix, but i'm new to linux)?
[07:57] <MobyTurbo> gwak, make sure to mention at what date you tried dist-upgrading to hoary; since it's a development branch that matters.
[07:57] <gwak> MobyTurbo:yea your right -- i did it from Synaptic -- not from apt-get -- stupid me
[07:58] <sparehead1> can someone tell me what there acroread.sh has in as its install dir?
[07:58] <wood1> Does anybody here notice the difference in image quality between XFree86 and Xorg ?
[07:58] <sparehead1> none of my guess's worked :(
[07:58] <MobyTurbo> gwak, then it's not a bug - changing distros means you have to dist-upgrade. (synaptic can do that in it's "auto" mode.)
[07:58] <Quest-Master> Err
[07:58] <Quest-Master> Which one I am I supposed to download from here?
[07:58] <Quest-Master> http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/
[07:58] <Quest-Master> :P
[07:58] <Kamion> NV: really shouldn't use the built-in upgrade feature; we disabled that I thought
[07:59] <Quest-Master> Ah
[07:59] <Quest-Master> Found it
[07:59] <NV> ah crap
[07:59] <Kamion> Quest-Master: warty/warty-release-install-<your-architecture>.iso
[07:59] <NV> any way for me to fix this?
[07:59] <gwak> MobyTurbo: yea i just hit the 'smart-upgrade' button -- is that considered 'auto'
[07:59] <Kamion> NV: I'd 'apt-get --reinstall install mozilla-firefox' to get back to a sane state
[07:59] <kristjan> wood1: no, but I've noticed the fonts are nicer in xfree..
[08:00] <MobyTurbo> gwak, sorry, smart-upgrade I think is = dist-upgrade.
[08:00] <Kamion> NV: firefox 1.0 is in hoary, but not in warty; look around, I think somebody has done proper 1.0 packages for warty
[08:00] <NV> kamion: do i just do that from sudo root? sorry...new to linux and am figureing my way around
[08:00] <NV> ah ok
[08:00] <Kamion> sudo apt-get ..., yeah
[08:00] <Kamion> sorry, I should be more explicit
[08:00] <jiyuu0> NV, new to linux and already trying to upgrade ur firefox ;P
[08:00] <NV> haha yeah.
[08:00] <gwak> Moby: i will file a bug report and repeat the steps i did -- along with the date (today)
[08:01] <Kamion> synaptic may have a reinstall option too, but I'm not so familiar with it
[08:01] <treeSnake> is there some other docs on how to use rsync to create a mirror other than the howto I already found (and that didn't work)?
[08:01] <NV> i actually changed my desktop to xfce4 as per instructions on the wiki since this is an old laptop
[08:01] <Kamion> NV: basically once you've installed something with one packaging system it's not a good idea to install it with another packaging system without removing it from the first beforehand; the result of doing that is usually that you confuse both systems
[08:02] <NV> ah ok
[08:02] <jiyuu0> NV, if u really want 1.0 have u try download direct from mozilla?
[08:02] <gson> hehe jiyuu0 cant use gxine when i want to see anime:) for that i need to use mplayer right.?
[08:03] <darksword> hi there
[08:03] <Kamion> NV: (if you do that, just make sure to install it in a different place than the firefox that comes with Ubuntu)
[08:03] <NV> nope, havent. i just used the updater built in to firefox since i thought it would be easier
[08:03] <treeSnake> i'm trying to set up an ubuntu mirror for the local community and i'm failing miserably. is there at least one in here that can show some mercy?
[08:03] <jiyuu0> gson, xine-ui can watch provided with w32codecs
[08:03] <Kamion> NV: easier: have a look at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/
[08:04] <gwak> one other thing w/ the upgrade the mail noticication applet disappeared
[08:04] <Kamion> NV: with the /etc/apt/sources.list fragments at the bottom, you should just be able to upgrade the mozilla-firefox package with synaptic
[08:04] <gson> k jiyuu0 ill see if i can get w32codec then:D
[08:04] <darksword> i have a probleme to use dvd on my laptop. When i insert a dvd, i say "impossible to mount media..."
[08:04] <jiyuu0> gson, ya it's there
[08:04] <gson> tnx for the help again..
[08:04] <darksword> what can i do ?
[08:04] <jiyuu0> gson, no prob
[08:04] <gson> :)
[08:05] <NV> ah ok, thanks!
[08:05] <treeSnake> well, i tried. nothing else to do in here.
[08:05] <socomm> darksword: Get a new LapTop :^P
[08:05] <darksword> :)
[08:05] <jiyuu0> darksword, all dvd?
[08:05] <jladage> Hi all,
[08:06] <treeSnake> take care.
[08:06] <jladage> Happy as a child with my new powerbook
[08:06] <NV> thanks a lot for the help!
[08:06] <darksword> i've tested -R/ +R and multisession/ only one session
[08:06] <NV> time to see if i can fix this
[08:06] <jladage> but how do I make it dual boot with ubuntu
[08:07] <jiyuu0> darksword, when u insert the dvd... does it auto mount? icon appear on desktop?
[08:08] <darksword> no
[08:08] <jladage> Can anyone point me to a good how-to on installing ubuntu with dual boot on a powerbook?
[08:08] <darksword> and i can't mount myself either
[08:08] <socomm> darksword: ummm have you tried more than one DVD?
[08:08] <darksword> yes
[08:08] <socomm> darksword: did you mount with sudo?
[08:08] <darksword> nope
[08:08] <jiyuu0> darksword, how about cd?
[08:08] <darksword> right click on media and mount
[08:09] <socomm> darksword: to mount *anything* you need super user privileges.
[08:09] <darksword> ive tried 2 -R 1 +R multissesion and after 1 -R only one session
[08:09] <socomm> darksword: you need to mount as sudo.
[08:09] <gson> gah i hate xine! probs with fullscreen all the time
[08:11] <darksword> root@darksword:/home/darksword # mount /media/cdrom
[08:11] <darksword> mount: Aucun medium trouv
[08:12] <darksword> curently it's a BulkPaq +R dvd one session burn with deepBurner on win2k
[08:13] <socomm> darksword: does it mount at all?
[08:13] <darksword> socomm ?
[08:14] <socomm> darksword: is that error in english?
[08:14] <darksword> hum in english : no media found
[08:14] <socomm> darksword: try another disk, maybe a store bought movie.
[08:15] <socomm> darksword: shouldn't be /media/dvd or something
[08:15] <darksword> i don't know
[08:15] <jiyuu0> darksword, how drives do u have?
[08:15] <darksword> only one
[08:15] <palle> hi i need some help
[08:15] <jiyuu0> ls -l /media/cdrom
[08:15] <socomm> darksword: `cd /media && ls'
[08:15] <palle> with my ubuntu linux
[08:16] <socomm> darksword: check what entries are there.
[08:16] <socomm> palle: just ask your questions
[08:16] <palle> i wan't all my windowsdrives mounted automatically when i start ubuntu linux, how do i do?
[08:16] <darksword> root@darksword:/media # ls -l /media/cdrom
[08:16] <darksword> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root            6 2004-11-20 16:08 /media/ cdrom -> cdrom0
[08:17] <jiyuu0> palle, look for windows section at http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[08:17] <palle> okay, thnx
[08:17] <socomm> darksword: did you run myy command?
[08:17] <darksword> socomm, root@darksword:/media/cdrom0 # cd /media && ls
[08:17] <darksword> cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0
[08:18] <jiyuu0> darksword, try put in a normal cd then mount
[08:18] <socomm> darksword: try mounting on cdrom0
[08:18] <darksword> for a cd it's ok
[08:19] <calamari-> re's
[08:19] <calamari-> is there a list somewhere of the software available on the install cd?
[08:20] <Kamion> .list files next to the .iso have the filenames
[08:20] <Kamion> uh, who's running the rabidbt bot please?
[08:20] <calamari-> Kamion: sorry, should have specified that I don't yet have the cd
[08:21] <Kamion> 19:20 [Freenode]  -rabidbt(~rabidbt@66.45.74.16)- Kamion: Error: No such plugin 'filesnexttothe.isohavethefilenames' exists.
[08:21] <jiyuu0> calamari-, go distrowatch
[08:21] <Kamion> calamari-: I meant on the download sites
[08:21] <Kamion> I should try to get some more human-readable list up from germinate output at some point
[08:21] <jiyuu0> http://distrowatch.com/ubuntu
[08:22] <Cred> Hello. How can I get GD lib supported on Apache2?
[08:22] <socomm> calamari-: on the FTP sever, should be in the same directory as the ISO image.
[08:22] <Cred> Can't find the module..
[08:22] <calamari-> thanks everyone :)
[08:22] <calamari-> you guys are all very helpful, and I really appreciate it
[08:22] <darksword> jiyuu0, with a cd : root@darksword:/media # mount /cdrom     ---> cd is mounted and i can read content
[08:23] <jiyuu0> darksword, u r trying to read a burnt dvd right?
[08:24] <darksword> yeah
[08:24] <jiyuu0> could it be media prob?
[08:24] <jiyuu0> i encounter burnt cd probs b4
[08:24] <jladage> any mac users in here?
[08:24] <jiyuu0> but weird thing is on windows seems fine
[08:24] <jiyuu0> same machine
[08:24] <Mabus> is there a package-queue or "these packages will soon be upgraded" list somewhere ?
[08:24] <Mabus> (I'm thinking specifically about thunderbird 0.9)
[08:24] <s0cks> Jiyuu0 : Get the CD request systems cds. Never read you entire enquiry, but hey...
[08:25] <jiyuu0> what is CD request systems cds?
[08:25] <darksword> hum i 'll try with star wars dvd :)
[08:25] <jiyuu0> darksword, episode 3?
[08:25] <jiyuu0> hehe
[08:27] <darksword> arf
[08:27] <darksword> root@darksword:/media # mount /cdrom
[08:27] <darksword> mount: Aucun medium trouv
[08:27] <maskie> Mabus, if you use Warty no packages will be upgraded except for security reasons
[08:27] <Kamion> Mabus: no, just bugzilla for packages that need merge work done
[08:27] <darksword> ouned by choubaka
[08:27] <treeSnake> got things to work. it should be ready for use tomorrow.
[08:28] <jiyuu0> darksword, may the force be wif u
[08:28] <treeSnake> is there a channel for ubuntu-se?
[08:28] <kent> Is there a public schedule for Hoary somewhere? Like, package-freeze, etc. Kind of like the one Fedora have?
[08:29] <jiyuu0> just to make sure... choubaka u sure ur player dvd???
[08:29] <kent> treeSnake, ubuntu-se as in a swedish channel?
[08:29] <jladage> join #ubuntu-mac
[08:30] <jladage> nope sorry
[08:30] <darksword> on http://tuxmobil.org/asus_l3800c_e.html i see it have to be ok
[08:31] <treeSnake> kent: jupp.
[08:32] <treeSnake> is this kent from the north?
[08:33] <jiyuu0> darksword, have u tried on the same machine running windows and able to read the DVD?
[08:33] <gson> jiyuu0 hm still have probs with w32codec:/
[08:33] <jiyuu0> gson, what prob?
[08:33] <gson> works with 1 episode
[08:33] <gson> gtkxine: video driver w32codec failed. <-
[08:33] <dark`eat`choubak> hum i'm only on ubuntu
[08:34] <dark`eat`choubak> be back in a few min
[08:34] <gson> the new naruto episodes doesnt work:(
[08:35] <jiyuu0> gson, have u apt-get it?
[08:35] <jiyuu0> what format u playing?
[08:35] <skeff> It seems all apps compiled for GTK+ 1.x or something looks like shit, I guess because of lack of themes or something for GTK 1.. how to fix this?
[08:35] <jiyuu0> gson, which episode?
[08:35] <gson> 110-111
[08:35] <kent> treeSnake, what do you meen with Kent from the north?  But yes, im from sweden :)
[08:35] <gson> .avi
[08:35] <jiyuu0> wah... i haven download 111
[08:36] <gson> hehe its one big episode, 2 in 1:)
[08:36] <gson> [DB] _Naruto_110-111_[1D18E613] .avi
[08:36] <jiyuu0> have u try playing it with mplayer?
[08:36] <treeSnake> kent: i was sort of hoping that it was a kent i know from the very north of sweden, that's all.
[08:41] <jiyuu0> sometimes xine not work but mplayer does
[08:41] <gson> gxine -V w32codec
[08:41] <kent> treeSnake, I live in Malmo, so its not the north of sweden.
[08:41] <gson> well, my synaptic can just find 2 different mplayers, but i think that its the wrong one:)
[08:41] <jiyuu0> gson, i'm not using gxine... but xine-ui
[08:41] <gson> kej
[08:41] <gson> works fine ?
[08:41] <jiyuu0> gson, the custom version
[08:41] <incandescant> hi, i have found my way here from ubuntulinux.com
[08:41] <gson> oki doki, i installing now
[08:41] <incandescant> can anyone help me with a dbus/hal/gvm problem please?
[08:41] <gson> 0.99-1-1 ?
[08:41] <treeSnake> kent: not really, no. i'm at least a thousand kms north of you.
[08:41] <gson> 0.99.1-1 ?:)
[08:41] <gson> that one jiyuu0 ? xine-ui 0.99.1-1
[08:41] <jiyuu0> yub
[08:41] <gson> nice nice
[08:41] <jiyuu0> if u p4 install also mplayer-custom
[08:41] <jiyuu0> just in case both xine cannot work then go command with mplayer
[08:41] <gson> ye
[08:41] <jiyuu0> too bad the package in the repository not working properly
[08:41] <gson> have you seeen bleach 8 ?
[08:41] <jiyuu0> nope
[08:41] <gson> so nice :)
[08:41] <jiyuu0> nowadays hardly got time to watch things
[08:41] <gson> oh that sux
[08:41] <jiyuu0> now it's like 3:41am and i am stil here
[08:41] <gson> heh
[08:41] <gson> 20.00 here in swe
[08:42] <jiyuu0> malaysia here
[08:42] <gson> nice:D
[08:42] <jiyuu0> ok... i think i better go bed...else tomolo zombie
[08:42] <gson> hah:)
[08:42] <gson> ye
[08:42] <jiyuu0> nite
[08:42] <gson> nite nite
[08:44] <incandescant> anyone wanna help a newb get to grips with proj utopia please?
[08:44] <WebMaven> Any Python users here?
[08:45] <WebMaven> I'm doing some experimentation and am having a few dependecy problems.
[08:46] <JDahl> WebMaven, I use python
[08:47] <WebMaven> specifically, wax (a pythonic wrapper around wxPython) is saying that 'This version of Wax requires wxPython 2.4.2.4', but that *is* the version installed.
[08:47] <JDahl> WebMaven, I dont know about that
[08:48] <WebMaven> Go to http://zephyrfalcon.org/download/
[08:48] <WebMaven> get wax-0.2.39.zip
[08:48] <JDahl> yes sir!
[08:48] <Cody_> Hello everyone
[08:48] <Mabus> Kamion: thanks
[08:49] <WebMaven> extract the wax folder to your desktop
[08:49] <Cody_> I use fedora core but heard about this ubuntu linux... is it essentially just a slim and easier debian?
[08:49] <WebMaven> then oipen a root terminal and mv Desktop/wax /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages
[08:50] <JDahl> WebMaven, I am working... and I dont have a particular interest in wxPython. Sorry I cant help you
[08:50] <WebMaven> JDahl, OK. Thanks anyway.
[08:51] <WebMaven> JDahl, what do you use Python for?
[08:52] <JDahl> WebMaven, numerical optimization
[08:56] <mig> Hi!
[08:56] <WebMaven> Anyone here use wxPython at all?
[08:57] <incandescant> bummer
[08:58] <gauckler> Hello.
[09:00] <palle_> how do i change to root access i wan't to be able to write to /usr/local
[09:00] <gauckler> sudo -s
[09:02] <palle> okay, but i wan't to have root rights while in the xwindow so i don't have to use the terminal so much
[09:03] <palle> is that possible?
[09:03] <gauckler> well. you could start x as root, but you shouldn't. why to have a shell and work from there as root?
[09:04] <alexander> hello
[09:04] <Mabus> a sudo executed in the X session will "hold" a couple of minutes, iirc
[09:04] <gauckler> actually even this ppl say you shouldn't do. you should log in as user and for command requiring root priviledges, you shoud type "sudo command"
[09:04] <alexander> what is ubuntu based on?
[09:04] <Mabus> debian
[09:04] <alexander> interesting
[09:04] <jiyuu0> palle, http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#allowrootlogingnome
[09:04] <alexander> i just got a package from switzerland containing 10 cds
[09:04] <alexander> how is this being paid for?
[09:05] <Mabus> you are - you have to do community service if you ever visit switzerland or southern africa.
[09:05] <palle> why should i use sudo so much then? that is so annoying, i want to use the file explorer to copy files that's so much faster then writing all the time...
[09:05] <Mabus> palle: use another OS.
[09:05] <Mabus> s/OS/distro
[09:05] <palle> i guess i could use mandrake
[09:06] <alexander> oh
[09:06] <jiyuu0> palle, u can set root on
[09:06] <alexander> dude
[09:06] <ogra> palle: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:06] <alexander> just do sudo su
[09:06] <alexander> lol
[09:06] <ogra> hi all
[09:06] <gauckler> alexander/mabus: whats the relation of ubuntu and switzerland?
[09:06] <fabbione> alexander: did you order these CDs?
[09:06] <alexander> fabbione: yes i did
[09:06] <Mabus> gauckler: nothing :) the CDs are shipped from switzerland.
[09:06] <ogra> hehe
[09:06] <palle> okay, thnx
[09:06] <fabbione> alexander: that's it.. you don't have to pay
[09:06] <pepsi_> i never got my CDs
[09:06] <pepsi_> wtf is up with that
[09:06] <ogra> Mabus: mine were from belgium :)
[09:06] <imaek> Hello.
[09:06] <Mabus> gauckler: nothing afaik, though - some developers could be based there, I have no clue.
[09:07] <alexander> i ordered them more than a month ago and i jsut got them
[09:07] <fabbione> pepsi_: read the FAQ
[09:07] <alexander> i think a company does it
[09:07] <fabbione> alexander: yes.. it takes sometime
[09:07] <alexander> not individual developers by the look of it
[09:07] <alexander> but i was happily surprised
[09:07] <fabbione> alexander: yes.. there is a company
[09:07] <Mabus> alexander: that's not what I said.
[09:07] <imaek> I am trying to help a friend set up Ubuntu with Dialup, and there is no modem.
[09:07] <fabbione> Mabus: stop trolling
[09:07] <pepsi_> the topic says CDs ordered before Nov 12th have been shipped
[09:07] <Mabus> fabbione: sorry
[09:08] <alexander> yeah i know I don't have to pay. I just wondered who actually puts down the dough. this seems pretty expensive
[09:08] <fabbione> pepsi_: if you live in the north pole, it does not take 2 days to get them
[09:08] <pepsi_> uhm
[09:08] <fabbione> alexander: Canonical did
[09:08] <pepsi_> what?
[09:08] <tost> hey guys, i have a problem with ubuntu
[09:08] <imaek> Anyone know anything about modem configuration?
[09:08] <gauckler> imaek: no, please tell me if you find out
[09:08] <alexander> fabbione: ah ok. i see the "trademark canonical" thing on the box
[09:09] <fabbione> pepsi_: mine were shipped the 8th of Nov.. but i live in the middle of nowhere... i know i will get them 2 days after hoary is out :-)
[09:09] <fabbione> just be patience
[09:09] <tost> i cant startx as user, it always says i havent the rights to do that
[09:09] <tost> how can i change this ?
[09:09] <Kamion> Mabus: I don't believe any Canonical staff are based in Switzerland; probably just some delivery company
[09:09] <ogra> imaek: either sudo pppconfig in a terminal or the network tool from the computer menu
[09:10] <ogra> tost: did you install k3b before ?
[09:10] <gauckler> ogra: I'm missing the network tool. do you know the name of the package?
[09:10] <tost> k3b ?
[09:10] <wood1> How do I export or edit my "sudoers" file using Emacs instead of visudo ?
[09:10] <tost> k3b is a cd writing programm (www.k3b.org)
[09:11] <ogra> tost: a kde burning app that changes the rights of a certain file ..... you cant login on x anymore then
[09:11] <ploggin> hi
[09:11] <ploggin> need some help
[09:11] <ploggin> lets see...
[09:11] <pepsi_> hrm
[09:11] <pepsi_> it said it shipped my cds
[09:11] <pepsi_> so i guess i just wait
[09:11] <fabbione> pepsi_: correct
[09:11] <Kamion> wood1: EDITOR=emacs visudo
[09:11] <ogra> gauckler: its in the computer menu, it belongs to the ubuntu default setup
[09:11] <Kamion> wood1: I'm sure I gave you this answer the other day
[09:11] <pepsi_> but then im gunna want to order hoary cds
[09:11] <alexander> hmm
[09:12] <ploggin> in GRUB i have 3 different 'versions' i can run, i have a kernel for 386, for 686 and for 686-smp
[09:12] <tost> ogra, no i installed ubuntu, and then gdm and x doesnt start, so i edit the files but then i havent the right to startx... and ~/.Xauthority is empty
[09:12] <Kamion> pepsi_: you won't be able to order those for quite some time
[09:12] <alexander> how long does livecd usually take to boot?
[09:12] <ploggin> i want to remove two of them
[09:12] <ploggin> what shall i do?
[09:12] <fabbione> alexander: it depends from your machine
[09:12] <wood1> Yes you did, I am sorry that I forgot it, Kamion
[09:12] <fabbione> alexander: here 3/4 minutes (old box)
[09:12] <gauckler> ogra: I read about it in the wiki, but I cannot find it unter "Computer"->"Systemconfiguration"
[09:12] <alexander> mine is taking quite a while for a pentium 4
[09:12] <ogra> tost: why did you install gdm later ? it should be there by default
[09:13] <fabbione> alexander: there should be a progress bar
[09:13] <alexander> yeah i know
[09:13] <ploggin> any ideas?
[09:13] <alexander> its done almost
[09:13] <tost> yeah i told it, i installed ubuntu, and started it, but then it doesnt start x and gdm , because of problems
[09:13] <toptnc> hi
[09:13] <alexander> maybe there is something wrong w/ my cdrom drive
[09:14] <alexander> it doesn't sound very pretty
[09:14] <tost> so edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and after this i hadnt the rights to startx as user
[09:14] <ogra> ploggin: just uninstall them, the package manager cares for the grub entrys then
[09:15] <tost> it told me , that there is a mistake in ~/.Xauthority ... how can i edit this file ?
[09:15] <wood1> You don't have to edit .Xauthority
[09:15] <wood1> Just change it owner and group to your Username
[09:15] <tost> wood1, what ?
[09:15] <ploggin> ogra: i tried with apt-get remove packages i didn't want
[09:16] <ploggin> they dissappeared
[09:16] <ploggin> but i can still run those options
[09:16] <kent> do some one know about a script for nautilus that handles mounting of .iso's as lookback? it would be nice if i could install that for in my brothers computer, so that i wount have to ask him go to the terminal..
[09:16] <tost> chown -R user /home ?
[09:16] <gauckler> ogra: I read about it in the wiki, but I cannot find it unter "Computer"->"Systemconfiguration"
[09:16] <ogra> tost: sudo chown $USER.$USER ~/.Xauthority
[09:16] <wood1> tost, chown user .Xauthority
[09:16] <SuperQ> anyone know anything about bluetooth stuff?
[09:16] <tost> which one ?
[09:16] <wood1> then chgrp user .Xauthority
[09:17] <darksword> thx for help jiyuu0
[09:17] <darksword> i've to shoot myself with a monkey :)
[09:17] <ogra> ploggin: use synaptic and search the linux-image packages.... they should get removed automatically in grubs menu.lst
[09:17] <wood1> for your Username that you created when you install the Ubuntu distro
[09:17] <darksword> cya
[09:17] <tost> wood1, at first chown user .Xauthority and then chgrp user .Xauthority ?
[09:17] <imaek> Anyone know anything about configuring modems?
[09:17] <wood1> Yes tost, that's it
[09:17] <ogra> gauckler: what do you have in this menu ? are you using warty ?
[09:18] <tost> ah thx
[09:18] <alexander> ooh this is very nice
[09:18] <alexander> great work
[09:18] <ploggin> ogra: ok, found them :D
[09:18] <ogra> ploggin: good :)
[09:18] <fabbione> alexander: thanks
[09:19] <ploggin> ogra: thanks ;)
[09:19] <gauckler> ogra: yes, warty. 5 items: screen resolution, printer, logon manager, hardware manager, packet manager (translated from german)
[09:19] <ogra> imaek: either sudo pppconfig in a terminal or the network tool from the computer menu
[09:19] <imaek> Does't work.
[09:19] <imaek> :\
[09:20] <ogra> gauckler: thats strange...it is in the default setup..... wait....
[09:20] <imaek> Oh
[09:20] <imaek> Now it does. :x
[09:20] <ploggin> oh, just another thing
[09:21] <ploggin> when ubuntu starts i get this window that shows 'nautilus is loading' etc, how can i change that window?
[09:21] <ogra> gauckler: look if gnome-system-tools is installed..... did you tweak your system in any way ?
[09:22] <ploggin> it's the window that appears once you enter user and pass, before everything is loaded
[09:22] <ogra> ploggin: the splash screen ?
[09:22] <ogra> ploggin: ahh, the login screen
[09:22] <ploggin> splash
[09:22] <ploggin> how do i change it?
[09:23] <gauckler> ogra: apt-get install gnome-system-tools -> its now being installed.
[09:23] <ogra> ploggin: in the gconf-editor from applications->system tools
[09:24] <kent> Im getting the error "Not a directory" when i try to mount a iso on my brothers computer. Whats wrong? I _know_ that the directory exists that i want to mount it to. I have tried more then one..  i still get the same strange message. Its a dvd-iso, does that matter? or are they treated as all other isos? like, mount -o loop..
[09:24] <ogra> ploggin: look in apps/gnome-session
[09:24] <gauckler> ogra: thanks a lot. I had this tool before, but I don't know how it disappeard.
[09:25] <ploggin> great
[09:25] <ploggin> thanks once again ogra ;)
[09:25] <ogra> :)
[09:29] <Rene_S> Woot got my Ubuntu CD in the mail. It came with a livecd and reg one very cool
[09:29] <wood1> Can anyone help me with my smb Network problem ?
[09:29] <wood1> I can't browse my Windows Workgroup Network
[09:30] <palle> any knows a program i can play mp3's with in linux?
[09:31] <SuperQ> hrm
[09:31] <SuperQ> palle: yes, many
[09:31] <SuperQ> palle: under the media menu in ubuntu there is a music player
[09:31] <palle> i tried to download winamp but there was an exe-file in the package
[09:31] <wood1> xmms should do it for the MP3 thing
[09:31] <SuperQ> palle: hahahaha
[09:31] <Rene_S> Rythmbox, Beep, XMMS, Amarok, pick one.
[09:31] <wood1> palle,    apt-get install xmms
[09:31] <ogra> palle: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:32] <wood1> sudo apt-get install xmms
[09:32] <SuperQ> palle: .exe files are for windows, not ubuntu
[09:32] <wood1> that's it for the MP3 thing
[09:32] <ogra> palle: read the wiki page, there are several hints
[09:33] <palle> yeah i noticed that here is a music player but it didn't work with mp3's?
[09:33] <ogra> palle: its described on the wiki
[09:33] <palle> okay, thnx
[09:34] <wood1> Anybody who can help me with the problem in Network browsing ?
[09:34] <ironwolf> palle: install gstreamer0.8-mad then try with music-player
[09:34] <gauckler> .. back..
[09:34] <dablitz> help!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:35] <wood1> dablitz , what is it ????
[09:35] <palle> gstreamer0.8-mad (for MP3 decoding)
[09:35] <palle> gstreamer0.8-lame (for MP3 encoding) (in cerkinfo repository
[09:35] <ironwolf> palle: did installing xmms work?
[09:35] <dablitz> last night i tried installing the synaptic touchpad from the wiki howto, and it messed up my display
[09:35] <palle> where are those files then?
[09:35] <marcelcole> Hello?
[09:35] <dablitz> running my laptop now from the ubuntu live cd
[09:35] <gauckler> ogra: this network tools doesn't work. it cannot take down the wireless interface.
[09:35] <marcelcole> Anyone have any experience with modems on ubuntu?
[09:35] <ogra> palle: read it... the add universe
[09:36] <ogra> then
[09:36] <rip024> I like that boot disk I crashed it once now I'll try again
[09:36] <dablitz> how can i fix this, i managed to pullup the howto to change things back, but need root permission to do it
[09:36] <wood1> Well you don't need the root permission
[09:36] <wood1> just use the one you provided
[09:36] <kent> Are there any difference when i mount an iso ripped from a dvd and a iso ripped from a normal cd?  Or are the syntax the same to mount?
[09:36] <dablitz> so what do I do?
[09:36] <ironwolf> dablitz: sudo is your friend.
[09:36] <marcelcole> How do I setup my modem/dial-up connection on ubunut?
[09:36] <palle> ogra: i read it but all it says is what i wrote there, nothing about where i can download the files or anything
[09:37] <dablitz> it asks for a password when I sudo
[09:37] <wood1> sudo pppconfig should do the modem trick
[09:37] <gauckler> dablitz: your logon password
[09:37] <ironwolf> dablitz: enter your logon password
[09:37] <wood1> well just type root
[09:37] <ogra> palle: there is a link to a detailed explaination on installing packages
[09:37] <dablitz> i will try it
[09:37] <marcelcole> wood1 - That should make my modem work properly?
[09:37] <pere_> I messed up the bottom panel. When I added a new panel, I no longer see my running/minimised programs. Any way to get that back?
[09:38] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is awesome. :D
[09:38] <wood1> Well if it's an external modem, I am sure your modem will work 99 %
[09:38] <Quest-Master> Just installed it.. really nice.
[09:38] <ogra> palle: in the section MP3 and Windows Media Audio
[09:38] <Rene_S> pere click on your new panel
[09:38] <Rene_S> right click
[09:38] <Rene_S> then add to panel
[09:39] <Quest-Master> Since I have so much server space and bandwidth left, most of it is unused
[09:39] <tvon|x31> dang, cant baz be written in python or something?
[09:39] <Quest-Master> I just wonder how much traffic there'll be
[09:39] <Rene_S> Scroll down the box and look for window list
[09:39] <gauckler> tvon|x31: are you using a x31? I just bought one..
[09:39] <pere_> Rene_S:Ahh.. great. Thank you!
[09:40] <tvon|x31> gauckler: yup.  I'm mighty happy with it, thoug the x40 is bulit better
[09:40] <Rene_S> pere_, your welcome, expect my bill in the mail
[09:40] <pere_> :)
[09:40] <gauckler> tvon|x31: but also a bit more expensive.. I had a hard time getting the suspend working the last few days. now i am glad it works...
[09:41] <tvon|x31> gauckler: honestly I've had the thing for a year and I havent spent much time trying to get suspend/sleep working.  at one point it wokred fine, lately not so much
[09:42] <wood1> Anybody here, my problem is with samba networking
[09:42] <Rene_S> hehe, you think thats bad, I still have no idea how to make my sensors work
[09:42] <gauckler> wood1: what's the problem?
[09:43] <wood1> Well since updating to Hoary, I have not been able to browse my Windows Workgroup Network
[09:43] <ogra> wood1: hmm, hoary.....
[09:44] <gauckler> wood1: dunno about the difference warty/hoary. but i know that you have to be careful setting the encryption mode of the passwords (encrypted vs plaintext)
[09:44] <gauckler> tvon|x31: did you get the modem working?
[09:44] <ogra> gauckler: warty is the stable branch, hoary is in steady development and breaks form time to time
[09:44] <wood1> Well my other PC with Warty works without no problem, it's just the Hoary PC which does not work in Network Browsing
[09:45] <drac> it's like woody and sarge
[09:45] <wood1> There PCs of the Network are there but I can access them from the Machine with Hoary
[09:45] <drac> :)
[09:45] <ogra> drac: not at all
[09:46] <ogra> drac:  more like a released sarge and sid :)
[09:46] <drac> excuse me for my mistake, so it ain't like woody and sarge ;)
[09:46] <wood1> Well the smb.conf file of both the Machines using Warty and Hoary are the same. I really don't know why Hoary is not working for Network browsng
[09:46] <gauckler> wood1: have you tried to connect without browsing?
[09:46] <tvon|x31> gauckler: spent a little time trying to get the modem up without any luck, though at one point I could use my cellphone via usb and gprs when I needed a connection
[09:46] <drac> but sid is that kid that always want to break all the toys !!!!
[09:46] <alka_trash> wood1: I had the same thing, reboot and then it worked  :)
[09:46] <jazzka> comes ubuntu with any tool to practice programming in perl?
[09:47] <tvon|x31> perl
[09:47] <ogra> drac: yep
[09:47] <crimsun> jazzka: perl is available, as are any number of editors
[09:47] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[09:47] <wood1> Well I have rebooted it several times
[09:47] <crimsun> jazzka: you'll find perl references online fairly helpful
[09:47] <gauckler> tvon|x31: this would be an option for me to (ir+gprs). any hints on how to do this?
[09:48] <tvon|x31> gauckler: depends on your phone.  I found pretty specific information for my phone t68i), just google for "phonename linux"
[09:48] <ogra> wood1: its linux...... no need for reboots.....execpt you change kernel stuff
[09:48] <wood1> gauckler, what exactly do you mean by trying to connect without browsing, I really don't understand the question, forgive me for that
[09:49] <ogra> wood1: try ctrl-L in nautilus, the type smb://hostname/sharename
[09:49] <wood1> Well I know, I was just replying to the other question that rebooting works for network browsing
[09:49] <wood1> Well I have done that but it still refuses to work, ogra
[09:50] <gauckler> wood1: with smbclient you can try to connect to other machines if you know the ip and the sharename
[09:50] <wood1> even the IP address does not work
[09:50] <ogra> wood1: from where to where does what work .... and what not....
[09:50] <wood1> Well I can get to the part of the IP name
[09:51] <wood1> I can see the PCs and their shares, it's exactly the shares that I can't access to
[09:51] <ogra> wood1: you can browse the shares on the hoary box from warty ?
[09:51] <calamari-> just curious.. what does Applications > Accessories > Text Editor point to?  Is it nano?
[09:51] <wood1> It's gedit
[09:51] <ploggin> ogra: about the splash image
[09:51] <wood1> calamari
[09:51] <ogra> wood1: and you cant browse/access the shares form hoary to warty ?
[09:52] <calamari-> wood1: thanks
[09:52] <ogra> ploggin: yep
[09:52] <wood1> I can't
[09:52] <ploggin> should the image i want be in a certain folder o r can i put it in home for example
[09:52] <calamari-> how about Applications > Multimedia > Music Player (hopefully xmms?)
[09:52] <wood1> It's not xmms
[09:52] <ogra> wood1: but the other way works ?
[09:52] <ogra> calamari-: xmms ?
[09:53] <ploggin> ogra: know what i mean?
[09:53] <marcelcole> wood1 - I got through the pppconfig wizard alright (the wizard wouldn't detect my modem so I had to set it manually), and what am I supposed to do after the wizard?
[09:53] <calamari-> ogra: xmms is a nifty sound player.. I like it
[09:53] <ploggin> damn, wikipage
[09:53] <ploggin> sorry i forgot
[09:53] <wood1> No ogra, the network browsing problem is not about the shares between Warty and Hoary
[09:53] <ogra> ploggin: /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:53] <ploggin> ok :D
[09:53] <ploggin> thanks
[09:54] <calamari-> is all this info on a wiki page?  I hate to ask FAQ's
[09:54] <wood1> It's about the Windows 9x and Windows NT machines on my Workgroup Network
[09:54] <ogra> wood1: ahh.... this was not clear to me
[09:54] <wood1> So any solutions ???
[09:54] <jdub> wasabi: do you have a 'Windows Networking' icon in the Network view at all?
[09:54] <ogra> calamari-: its way old....
[09:54] <ogra> calamari-: xmms i mean
[09:54] <calamari-> ogra: oic
[09:54] <wasabi> jdub: hmm?
[09:54] <wasabi> oh i see
[09:55] <wasabi> tab complete.
[09:55] <jdub> oh
[09:55] <ironwolf> calamari: music player != xmms
[09:55] <calamari-> ogra: what does ubuntu give me?
[09:55] <jdub> wood1: do you have a 'Windows Networking' icon in the Network view at all?
[09:55] <ogra> calamari-: rhythmbox
[09:55] <calamari-> ironwolf: hmm, weird.. worked for me in debian to play mp3s hehe
[09:55] <jugon> rep
[09:55] <wood1> I have the Windows Networking icon
[09:55] <jdub> hrm, then i'm not sure.
[09:55] <jdub> are you fully upgraded and so on?
[09:55] <wood1> I can access the Windows PCs but I can't access their shares
[09:55] <ogra> wood1: what happens then, any error ?
[09:56] <wood1> Well I am fully updated
[09:56] <calamari-> ogra: thanks
[09:56] <wood1> Hoary just waits and waits forever to access the Windows shares
[09:56] <ogra> calamari-: for mp3 playback see also this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:56] <wood1> But Warty gets access to the Windows Shares at once
[09:57] <calamari-> ogra: I think I'll get xmms.. I like its interface since I'm so used to WinAmp
[09:57] <ogra> calamari-: then better take beep-media-player its the successor
[09:58] <calamari-> ok
[10:00] <jdub> wood1: remember that hoary is in development, and in particular, has gnome devel branch packages
[10:00] <Fwiffo> Does anyone know the status for UTF-8 on Xorg in Hoary at the moment?
[10:00] <Fwiffo> I'm still getting alot of warnings when using a UTF-8 locale
[10:01] <wood1> Well Hoary should work for network browsing,
[10:02] <ogra> wood1: why ? if someone works on the network libs it probably wont.....its hoary....
[10:02] <jdub> wood1: there's no guarantee that hoary will work for anything :-)
[10:04] <RuffianSoldier> man, when are theses Ubuntu CDs going to arive :-(
[10:05] <ironwolf> hoary is fun, but indeed there is no guarrenty that anything will work.
[10:05] <wood1> Hoary is the latest cut-edge distribution
[10:05] <wood1> Everything which works for Warty should work for Hoary if not better
[10:05] <Fwiffo> whoops, never mind - I can see bug #3645 is pending upload, and it looks a lot like my problem :o)
[10:05] <ironwolf> woodl: hoary is bleeding edge... sometimes we get cut. :(
[10:05] <ogra> wood1: hoary is a development beast
[10:05] <wfx> ogra: beep and xmms are bugy for me (sometimes the are crash and my playlist doe no longer work)
[10:05] <jdub> wood1: hoary is the development branch. right now it's pre-alpha, pre-beta, pre-preview, pre-release, etc.
[10:06] <ogra> wfx: thats why i take rhythmbox :)
[10:06] <jdub> wood1: as is gnome 2.9.
[10:06] <wood1> Well, what am I suppose to do now, my brothers and sisters, switch Hoary back to Warty ?
[10:06] <mass> looks like mdnsresponder is missing?
[10:06] <gauckler> gnome browser: can I configure it so that a click on a folder opens the folder in the same window, instead of opening a new one?
[10:06] <jdub> if you just want to use your system, and not test for the next release, yeah, warty's the way to go.
[10:06] <jdub> mass: it's there
[10:07] <wfx> ogra: this one doe not play sid or mod tune
[10:07] <ogra> gauckler: use shift on doubleclick
[10:07] <Amaranth> I don't think you can downgrade.
[10:07] <wfx> i buy a "s"
[10:07] <gauckler> ogra: thx
[10:07] <mass> jdub: its hiding from meee
[10:07] <ogra> gauckler: or middleclick
[10:07] <jdub> mass: it's in universe
[10:07] <wood1> Well you might be right, I should just use Warty for my serious work and use Hoary as a test machine
[10:08] <kent> whats the name of that virtual package that installs gcc and stuff?
[10:08] <gauckler> rhythmbox cannot play mp3s, do I have to install a decode?
[10:08] <ogra> wood1: thats what its good for currently.....
[10:08] <wood1> Anyway, it was nice to discuss these kinds of things and ideas with people like all of you here in the Chatroom
[10:08] <jdub> kent: build-essential
[10:08] <kent> jdub, thanks :)
[10:08] <ogra> gauckler: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <wfx> a typical faq ;-)
[10:09] <palle> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:09] <palle> See `config.log' for more details.
[10:09] <palle> what does this mean?
[10:09] <ogra> palle: see jdubs last line..... to kent
[10:09] <pridkett> palle: if means you need to install gcc
[10:09] <wood1> By the way, do you know any other great websites or links for Ubuntu Linux
[10:10] <wood1> besides the current featured links at Ubuntu's webpage ?
[10:10] <palle> i just logged back in here, so i can't see what jdub wrote
[10:10] <ogra> palle: oops, you just logged in.... build-essential is the pkg
[10:10] <palle> how do i install gcc then?
[10:10] <pridkett> palle: apt-get install build-essential
[10:10] <wfx> it would be nice when ubuntu show the faq (nvidia, mp3, ...) anywhere on first start
[10:11] <socomm> Pffft, who needs nVidia or MP3z.
[10:11] <ogra> wood1: sites with software ? http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:11] <palle> pridkett should i write that in a terminal?
[10:11] <epod> Hey, I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my workstation at work, and when it gets to the part of the install where it extracts the network drivers package, it just repeats itself at 36% over and over...
[10:11] <crimsun> wfx: in the Applications menu there is About Ubuntu, and if you have a live Internet connection, you can browse right to the faq
[10:12] <mass> jdub: gnome-user-share is i hoary, but it has a dependancy in universe, thats why I was asking :)
[10:12] <Fwiffo> palle or install it using synaptic
[10:12] <pridkett> palle: you can "sudo apt-get install build-essential" or you can click on computer->system configuration->synaptic package manager and select build-essential
[10:12] <ogra> wood1: sites with artwork ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/CommunityArtwork
[10:12] <jdub> mass: gnome-user-share itself is in universe :)
[10:13] <mass> jdub: Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main gnome-user-share 0.3-3 [15.8kB] 
[10:13] <mass> :)
[10:13] <jdub> hrm, so it is... it shouldn't be
[10:13] <socomm> What is `gnome-user-share'?
[10:13] <wood1> thanks for the links, ogra
[10:14] <palle> ohhh thnx for the help...
[10:14] <jdub> socomm: easy, discoverable user level file sharing
[10:14] <jdub> socomm: it's rad
[10:14] <mass> socomm: User-level file public file sharing based on Apache, WebDAV, and zeroconf/rendezvous
[10:14] <ogra> wood1: one contains one to my own site, pure self-interst hehe
[10:14] <ogra> interest
[10:14] <pridkett> hey, anyone know why python-gtk doesn't ship with a pkg-config descriptor file?
[10:15] <socomm> Thanks.
[10:15] <crimsun> pridkett: ...why would it?
[10:15] <jdub> pridkett: that'd be in python-gtk2-dev, surely?
[10:15] <wfx> crimsun: thx i know it, it was only a idea to pop up a window with some info about the most prob/faq.
[10:15] <marcelcole> Hello
[10:15] <socomm> pridkett: the *.pc stuff usually comes with the dev package.
[10:15] <palle> configure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[10:16] <palle> what does that mean then?
[10:16] <Quest-Master> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html#codecs <-- are the codecs not working or is it just my connection?
[10:16] <palle> how do i install glib?
[10:16] <pridkett> ahha.  Okay, that explains that.
[10:16] <ogra> palle: that you want to compile a gtk programm ?
[10:16] <socomm> palle: means you need to install glib development package.
[10:16] <ogra> palle: what exactly do you compile ?
[10:16] <palle> i am trying to compile xmms
[10:16] <crimsun> install libglib2.0-dev
[10:16] <crimsun> err
[10:17] <palle> so i can listen to mo3's
[10:17] <crimsun> install libglib1.2-dev
[10:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: take the package: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:17] <socomm> palle: you can install xmms via synaptic.
[10:17] <pridkett> It seems like it makes some sense to include the .pc files with the actual python pacakges as you can still develop with them without the dev package installed
[10:17] <ogra> palle: there is a ubuntu package for xmms
[10:17] <crimsun> xmms is in main
[10:17] <socomm> palle: are you trying to install the bleeding edge version of XMMS?
[10:18] <palle> hmmm, i don't know i got an url and i downloaded it
[10:18] <palle> http://www.xmms.org
[10:18] <ogra> palle: rather take the package :)
[10:18] <gauckler> whats a good video player? gmplayer?
[10:18] <socomm> palle: if you don't have a `good' reason to install the bleeding edge version, just go with the one in synaptic.
[10:18] <palle> where is the package?
[10:18] <ogra> gauckler: totem or totem-xine
[10:18] <pridkett> gauckler: totem
[10:19] <socomm> gauckler: mplayer.
[10:19] <ogra> palle: in synaptic
[10:19] <palle> how do i install the one i synaptic?
[10:19] <socomm> palle: just check the box left of the package and click the `apply' button.
[10:19] <ogra> palle: enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-09-30.5359349801
[10:20] <ironwolf> smbclient/mount -t smbfs doesn't seem to work, ping does, seems to be XP-SP2 firewall, although it shows off in local area connection props-->advanced ... any clue where I look now?
[10:20] <Quest-Master> mplayer-586 <-- isn't this the package in the apt repository?
[10:20] <Quest-Master> apt-get says it isn't there
[10:20] <pridkett> Quest-Master: because it's not
[10:20] <Quest-Master> :o
[10:20] <socomm> Quest-Master: that's not on Ubuntus repo.
[10:20] <ogra> Quest-Master: read the wiki.....enable marillat
[10:21] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[10:21] <pridkett> Quest-Master: see the faq about restricted formats
[10:21] <Quest-Master> I see
[10:21] <ironwolf> Quest-Master: it's in Multiverse
[10:21] <ogra> ironwolf: the warty pkg is broken afaik
[10:22] <ironwolf> ogra: well I'm running hoary... and oddly it works with other M$ computers, most notably M$ 2000, but not m$ XP SP2
[10:22] <StarScream> just saw the screen shots for XFCE 4.2..looks amazing..how long would it take for a new package to appear in ubuntu?
[10:23] <JDahl> Quest-Master, you could also compile it from source... I've rarely seen a such a big package build so easily
[10:23] <ogra> ironwolf: but dont assume that everyone else is running it....some of us like stable systems :)
[10:23] <palle> okay, now there are like 10 different xmms which one should i install to be able to listen to mp3's?
[10:23] <Quest-Master> Once I add multiverse to the sources.list, can I just do it through apt-get normally?
[10:23] <palle> or probably mopre like 20-30
[10:23] <ironwolf> ogra: wouldn't ever dare to assume that ;)  I was just asking *if* anyone knew what to look for next.
[10:23] <ironwolf> Quest-Master: yes
[10:24] <socomm> Quest-Master: Yah.
[10:24] <Quest-Master> Woot.
[10:24] <gauckler> mplayer doesn't seem to work. do I have to download and self-compile?
[10:24] <ogra> ironwolf: hehe, i was thinking on your answer to Quest-Master the mplayer package in warty doesnt work
[10:24] <socomm> gauckler: did you install the right version?
[10:24] <palle> which xmms package should i install?
[10:24] <Quest-Master> apt-get is so much better than apt4rpm.
[10:24] <gauckler> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.4
[10:24] <socomm> Quest-Master: You think?
[10:25] <tyran0> does ubuntu have gcc?
[10:25] <Fwiffo> palle: just the one named xmms
[10:25] <ogra> gauckler: from marillat ?
[10:25] <Quest-Master> socomm: Of course
[10:25] <ogra> tyran0: sure
[10:25] <ironwolf> ogra: *sigh* too many convos :)  warty MULTIVERSE has mplayer I was convinced.
[10:25] <tyran0> or what compiler does it have
[10:25] <sulkd> tyran0, yes but you have to install it manually.. "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[10:25] <tyran0> ahh
[10:25] <gauckler> marillat??? from the usual sources in sources.list
[10:25] <socomm> gauckler: I meant be sure you've downloaded the appropriate version for your processor.
[10:25] <ogra> ironwolf: a non working package, yes
[10:25] <palle> fwiffo: here is no1 named only xmms they are all named like xmms-something
[10:25] <Fwiffo> palle: if you just single click it you can read a description of what it is exactly
[10:26] <Fwiffo> hmmm
[10:26] <palle> swiffo: okay thnx
[10:26] <ogra> gauckler: see here http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:26] <ironwolf> gauckler: marillat  = debian, multiverse = ubuntu try installing mplayer from multiverse.. or worst case, from hoary multiverse.
[10:26] <gauckler> Compiled for x86 CPU , and I have a P-M
[10:26] <Quest-Master> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:26] <Quest-Master> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:26] <Quest-Master> is only available from another source
[10:26] <Quest-Master> E: Package w32codecs has no installation candidate
[10:26] <socomm> Quest-Master: apt-get update
[10:26] <ogra> Quest-Master: from marillat ?
[10:26] <gauckler> ironwolf: I'll try. might be that I caught the debian version..
[10:27] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[10:27] <Quest-Master> I installed all of the other mplayer packages.
[10:27] <Quest-Master> mplayer-custom, mplayer-fonts, mozilla-mplayer.
[10:27] <Hikaru79> I have a network with 2 Ubuntu computers and 2 Windows ones. Each of the two Ubuntu computers can see the Windows network, but not each other. What could be wrong? =/
[10:27] <Fwiffo> palle: It will have the Ubuntu logo just to the left of the name if that is any help
[10:27] <socomm> Quest-Master: it installed fine here, a few moments ago.
[10:27] <ogra> Quest-Master: not from multiverse ....
[10:28] <palle> fwiffo: i don't have it! this is only plug-ins =(
[10:28] <socomm> where can I find mozilla-mplayer?
[10:28] <Quest-Master> Where from then?
[10:28] <Quest-Master> Do I need to add another repository?
[10:28] <Quest-Master> socomm: It's in the multiverse repos.
[10:28] <ogra> Quest-Master: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:28] <socomm> Quest-Master: link?
[10:29] <ogra> Quest-Master: read it
[10:29] <Quest-Master> Yeah, I added multiverse
[10:29] <wfx> :)
[10:29] <Fwiffo> palle: thats odd :(
[10:29] <ogra> Quest-Master: marillat
[10:29] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[10:30] <palle> fwiffo: ohh i just had to add another repositorie... thnx for the help
[10:30] <ogra> Quest-Master: w32codecs cant be provided from ubuntu.....
[10:30] <Fwiffo> palle: have you enabled Universe and Multiverse?
[10:30] <Fwiffo> palle: aaah great
[10:30] <socomm> ogra: Thanks for the link.
[10:31] <ogra> :)
[10:32] <Quest-Master> ogra: Yeah, I thought they were coming from multiverse
[10:32] <ogra> Quest-Master: unfortunately there is also a package in multiverse, but thats broken in warty....so take marillat...
[10:33] <Quest-Master> Yup, done.
[10:33] <Quest-Master> :)
[10:33] <Quest-Master> Now, onto XMMS.
[10:33] <ogra> Quest-Master: mplayer package i mean...i think w32 codecs will be a legal heavyweight to ship
[10:33] <wfx> ogra: how often this day you write "http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats" ;-)
[10:34] <ogra> hehe
[10:34] <davidv> just received my Ubunti disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no dispaly--any ideas?
[10:34] <wfx> if you say ubuntu you must also say http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ;-)
[10:35] <gauckler> wfx ;)
[10:35] <ogra> wfx: jep, its a thing that should be easier in hoary....lets see.....
[10:36] <davidv> just received my Ubuntu disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no dispaly--any ideas?
[10:37] <pridkett> david: not to belittle you, but I usually double check if my monitor is plugged in at that point
[10:37] <davidv> good point but i just rebooted from suse linux and my monitor was fine there
[10:38] <davidv> has anybody in this channel had the same problem with Live Eval?
[10:38] <Quest-Master> Weird
[10:39] <Quest-Master> apt-get says XMMS is already installed
[10:39] <palle> if i installed xmms through synaptic how do i open it?
[10:39] <Quest-Master> But I can't find it in Applications -> Multimedia
[10:39] <ogra> Quest-Master: run it from a treminal
[10:39] <ogra> terminal
[10:39] <davidv> try /usr/bin/xmms in a terminal
[10:39] <Fwiffo> palle: it should be in Programs->Multimedia
[10:39] <Quest-Master> There it is
[10:40] <Quest-Master> Eww.. why does it use the old GTK?
[10:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: because its xmms
[10:40] <Quest-Master> On Suse it didn't
[10:40] <wfx> this is why beep live
[10:40] <pridkett> Quest-Master: You can try BEEP otherwise
[10:40] <ogra> Quest-Master: beep-media-player is its gtk2 version
[10:40] <Quest-Master> Ah
[10:40] <pridkett> Quest-Master: XMMS is a GTK only
[10:40] <davidv> just received my Ubuntu disks and tried the Live Eval disk.  seems to load fine but no output to my monitor.  i tried expert and safe mode too and no display--any ideas?
[10:41] <Quest-Master> Where is beep-media-player?
[10:41] <davidv> and yes, the monitor is plugged in (otherwise i couldn't see this)
[10:41] <palle> xmms is in /usr/bin can i make a shortcut or put it in the menu?
[10:41] <ogra> Quest-Master: unicerse
[10:41] <Quest-Master> Ok
[10:41] <ogra> universe
[10:42] <davidv> palle, right click the desktop, create new link to application
[10:42] <palle> okay, thnx...
[10:42] <ogra> palle: ctrl-L in nautilus and open applications://
[10:43] <ogra> palle: this way you can add them to the menu ....
[10:43] <palle> ogra: how do i get into nautilus?
[10:43] <ogra> palle: nautilus is the filemanager
[10:44] <ogra> palle: i.e. Computer->Disks
[10:44] <palle> aha, okay thnx!
[10:46] <mike8901> thank you guys! i just got my 5 packs of cds
[10:46] <mike8901> :)
[10:46] <mike8901> i think about 400 cds total
[10:46] <mike8901> imna hand em out to all my friends
[10:47] <gauckler> is today x-mas day for all you guys and girls getting cds with ubuntu .. hehe..
[10:48] <davidv> yeah and the live eval won't give me a display
[10:49] <lizdeika> no cds for me :(
[10:49] <davidv> they sent me 10
[10:49] <ironwolf> none for me either yet.
[10:49] <calamari-> mike8901: when did you order?
[10:52] <usual> my ubuntu cd's are here!
[10:52] <lizdeika> i ordered mine ages ago
[10:53] <usual> i just got them
[10:53] <usual> sweet
[10:53] <awg> anyone have CD/DVD burning working under warty?
[10:53] <Quest-Master> Shouldn't k3b do the job?
[10:53] <ironwolf> awg: cd? yes dvd? no audio cd? no
[10:53] <usual> i ordered 20 and got 15 though
[10:54] <mike8901> calamari-: im not even sure
[10:54] <ogra> awg: nautilus works fine for me in case of data cds
[10:54] <mike8901> i completly forgot about it
[10:54] <awg> xcdroast should do the job, but it doesn't see either of my burners
[10:54] <mike8901> i didnt count my cds :)
[10:54] <usual> cool, the cd's come with a live cd and an install cd
[10:54] <mike8901> i got 5 BAGS shipped from switzerland
[10:54] <mike8901> zurich
[10:54] <ogra> awg: did you try nautilus for burning ?
[10:54] <mike8901> :O
[10:54] <mike8901> to the US
[10:54] <mike8901> mustve cost a fortune
[10:55] <topyli> awg xcdroast is all that works here. i manually entered my device (/dev/hdc it this case), and it just works
[10:55] <awg> ogra: no, but i know that's not the problem since on SuSE xcdroast worked just fine for both CDs and DVDs
[10:55] <awg> topyli: ah, i'll try that
[10:55] <davidv> i can't even get the Eval Cd to give me a display
[10:56] <awg> topyli: did you have to tell it to use the ide-scsi driver manually, or does it set that up automatically?  in SuSE i remember having to change the bootloader config so it would use ide-scsi
[10:56] <Shift> hey
[10:56] <topyli> awg: no scsi. it works without it
[10:56] <ogra> awg: no ide-scsi anymore in 2.6
[10:57] <awg> ah, ok, i guess it was under SuSE 8.2 that i had to set that up then
[10:57] <awg> 9.0/9.1 were 2.6
[10:57] <Shift> im interested in duelbooting Ubuntu and XP
[10:57] <topyli> awg: well, those were the days :)
[10:57] <Shift> i cant find any tutorials on this
[10:58] <Fwiffo> awg: I thought ide-scsi was'nt used any more?
[10:58] <awg> alright, i took ide-scsi out of the bootloader options, so i'll just reboot here and then see if it works
[10:58] <Fwiffo> ohh, sorry
[10:58] <awg> thanks all
[10:58] <mhlandry> how does upgrading the kernel work with ubuntu?  I can use apt, right?
[10:58] <gson> how do you make a file executble?
[10:59] <topyli> Fwiffo: too slow :)
[10:59] <Fwiffo> topyli: yeah, I noticed :o)
[10:59] <mhlandry> chmod +x <filename> ?
[10:59] <topyli> mhlandry: install a package like "linux-image-686" or something. it will always depend on the latest kernel for your architecture and be updated
[10:59] <Fwiffo> mhlandry: Do you mean upgrade to a kernel supplied by Ubuntu?
[11:00] <wfx> Shift: dual boot linux & windows doe not depend on ubuntu. ubuntu use the grub boot manager so...
[11:00] <wfx> Shift: you need to configure grub for booting
[11:00] <davidv> wfx: one hard drive or two?
[11:00] <ogra> Shift: works out of the box
[11:01] <ogra> Shift: you dont need to configure it
[11:01] <Fwiffo> Shift: and if it does not, try changing from CHS to LBA in your BIOS
[11:01] <wfx> one howto is: http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html
[11:02] <wfx> davidv: anywhere ;-)
[11:02] <davidv> i dual-boot SuSE 9.1 pro on an IDE drive and XP pro on a SATA drive
[11:05] <Quest-Master> davidv: Leave SuSE
[11:05] <davidv> why?
[11:05] <Quest-Master> Trust me, Ubuntu is like a thousand times better.
[11:05] <Quest-Master> I moved to Ubuntu today
[11:05] <Quest-Master> I've been using Suse for a few months too, removed it today and replaced it with Ubuntu.
[11:05] <davidv> i'd like to test it but the Live Eval cd won't give me a display in any mode
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Heh, I just skipped over the LiveCD and installed it.
[11:06] <gauckler> davidv: backup your system and install ubuntu ;)
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is miles ahead of SuSe.
[11:06] <davidv> i like to test drive before in install
[11:06] <gson> hmm someone that knows any good burning application?
[11:06] <gson> like nero burning
[11:06] <gauckler> k3b
[11:07] <gson> hm k
[11:07] <davidv> gauckler, what deskto do you use, KDE or Gnome?
[11:07] <gauckler> now gnome, before kde
[11:08] <Quest-Master> Gnome.
[11:08] <Quest-Master> Gnome is so fast compared to KDE
[11:08] <Quest-Master> I used to use KDE too, when starting off with Suse.
[11:09] <davidv> i don't like the mechanics of Gnome that much
[11:09] <Quest-Master> Then I tried Gnome on Suse, and it was awesome, but Suse worked horribly with Gnome.
[11:09] <Quest-Master> So, I moved to Ubuntu.
[11:09] <ogra> gson: this is important for k3b: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[11:09] <Quest-Master> Mechanics?
[11:09] <davidv> the way it works
[11:09] <Quest-Master> KDE is for people who are used to how Windows is set up
[11:09] <davidv> it is faster though
[11:09] <Quest-Master> You just have to get used to how Gnome works
[11:09] <Quest-Master> It's better in the long run
[11:09] <Quest-Master> :D
[11:10] <davidv> preference is why there are different platforms
[11:10] <ogra> guys...please no kde/gnome bashing in here
[11:10] <Quest-Master> I wouldn't consider it bashing, hehe
[11:10] <mike8901> is there any way to integrate portage w/ ubuntu
[11:10] <davidv> i'm not bashing anything Ogra
[11:10] <mike8901> i love portage as it compiles and optimizes everything
[11:10] <mike8901> apt-get doesnt have optimized rpms
[11:10] <crimsun> "portage and ubuntu?"
[11:10] <davidv> well, maybe just the live eval disk
[11:10] <crimsun> goodness, man.
[11:10] <mike8901> why not crimsun?
[11:10] <ogra> lol
[11:11] <IamMoo> can anyone help me to as why ubuntu install fails after the hardware detection?
[11:11] <crimsun> apt-get for ubuntu does not use rpms; it uses debs
[11:11] <crimsun> debs are usually compiled with -O2
[11:11] <JDahl> ogra, c'mon just a quick one... then we can do vim vs emacs afterwards
[11:11] <mike8901> are debs optimized?
[11:11] <crimsun> mike8901: "optimized" is rather meaningless
[11:11] <mike8901> why?
[11:11] <ogra> JDahl: *g* i'll take the vim part ;)
[11:11] <davidv> i can't figure out why the live eval recognizes my nvidia fx5200 video card but won't give a display once x starts
[11:12] <IamMoo> annnyone at all
[11:12] <crimsun> mike8901: for one, what really needs to be optimized?
[11:12] <mike8901> crimsun: xfree86
[11:12] <mike8901> gnome
[11:12] <mike8901> kde
[11:12] <mike8901> openoffice
[11:12] <davidv> i am moo, what do you mean fails?
[11:12] <IamMoo> the install just stops
[11:12] <IamMoo> blue screen
[11:12] <IamMoo> nothing happens
[11:12] <davidv> blue?
[11:12] <ogra> mike8901: and you notice it ? or is it only measurable ?
[11:13] <IamMoo> blue with the grey stip at the button
[11:13] <IamMoo> the ubuntu install background
[11:13] <crimsun> mike8901: the packages that really need to be optimized are. The kernel. libc6-i686. The crypto packages.
[11:13] <davidv> i haven't installed it yet but it is most likely a driver issue
[11:13] <mike8901> crimsun: so you are saying that xfree86 does not benifit in any way from optimization?
[11:13] <davidv> do you have any weird hardware?
[11:13] <IamMoo> no
[11:13] <IamMoo> its a gateway
[11:13] <davidv> sata?
[11:14] <crimsun> mike8901: I said the packages that really need to be optimized are.
[11:14] <ogra> IamMoo: switch to another console with alt-f2
[11:14] <Fwiffo> IamMoo: how long did you wait before rebooting?
[11:14] <crimsun> mike8901: the others can be but are not critical.
[11:14] <IamMoo> after about 3 minutes the computer locks up completely at the blue screen
[11:14] <IamMoo> and i've waited 30 minutes
[11:14] <ogra> IamMoo: look if there are errors on alt-f3 or f4 i think....
[11:15] <davidv> moo, ogra has a point--you can diagnose a bad install by switching to another console
[11:15] <IamMoo> ok one sec
[11:15] <Fwiffo> IamMoo: ok, it's just that some times it can take a while to detect hardware, but not that long I would think
[11:15] <IamMoo> hold a sec and i will do the console thing
[11:17] <IamMoo> when do i press alt-f3?
[11:17] <IamMoo> during the install?
[11:18] <ogra> IamMoo: anytime during the install with alt-f1 you get back....
[11:18] <IamMoo> k
[11:18] <davidv> so no ideas on my live eval issue?  i get no output to the monitor at any mode
[11:18] <davidv> safe mode detects my vid card
[11:18] <ogra> davidv: hmm....
[11:19] <Fwiffo> davidv: I haven't a clue, when does it blank?
[11:19] <davidv> after X starts and the startup sound plays
[11:19] <Fwiffo> ok
[11:19] <davidv> then my monitor light goes amber and it just sits
[11:20] <IamMoo> *searching for ubuntu install on media*
[11:20] <IamMoo> and thats where it hangs
[11:20] <davidv> i can get another console but X is dead
[11:20] <ogra> davidv: tried ctrl-alt-+ or - ?
[11:20] <Fwiffo> sounds like your monitor is misdetected, and X is tryoing to run it in a mode it does'nt support
[11:20] <davidv> ^
[11:20] <ogra> davidv: i.e. numpad plus or minus
[11:20] <davidv> most likely
[11:21] <IamMoo> *Kernal panic: fatal exception interrupt*
[11:21] <IamMoo> *In interrupt handler - not syncing*
[11:21] <IamMoo> thats my error with alt+f4
[11:21] <ogra> IamMoo: hmm, probably Kamion has a sec for you.....
[11:21] <Fwiffo> ogra: does'nt that just change the size of the vitual desktop
[11:21] <davidv> moo, it looks like Ubuntu hates your Gateway
[11:21] <IamMoo> poop
[11:22] <IamMoo> this is no fun
[11:22] <ogra> Fwiffo: nope, the resolution
[11:22] <Fwiffo> ogra: ok
[11:22] <davidv> my monitor is 21", supports just about every resolution
[11:22] <IamMoo> so nothing else to try with this guys?
[11:22] <davidv> and refresh rate
[11:22] <wfx> good night
[11:22] <davidv> moo...
[11:23] <IamMoo> yesss? =)
[11:23] <davidv> i would do a little google search "ubuntu kernal panic on install"
[11:23] <nomasteryoda> will dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 work for copying a file system while that file system is mounted?
[11:23] <IamMoo> good thinking!
[11:23] <davidv> kernel
[11:23] <ogra> IamMoo: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[11:24] <ogra> IamMoo: probably there is something .....
[11:26] <davidv> i'll be back'
[11:26] <kent> nomasteryoda, i guess you atleast might run into trouble if thing changes on the fs, which it most likely will. So i would not do that..
[11:34] <speel> hye i have a qucik question in the ubuntu live c gnome was very smoother and now that i have it installed its not any ideas?
[11:34] <Quest-Master> Usually, it's the opposite
[11:34] <Quest-Master> Faster on hard drive, slower on CD
[11:34] <ogra> speel: define smoother
[11:35] <speel> like the toolbars in the live cd were more polished
[11:35] <gauckler> I installed ubuntu on a driveless laptop. with the help of the "netboot install howto". still some things didn't went straight. do you think this is worth a new howto?
[11:36] <calamari-> I have a slow dial-up connection.  There are certain apps I will need, like Java, but I'd rather download them then use synaptic to install them from a burned CD.  Is this easy to do?
[11:36] <IamMoo> is there a way to do a netboot where it downloads the file instead of running it from the cd?
[11:36] <speel> o nvm fixed it
[11:36] <Quest-Master> ..
[11:36] <wii> hi people! im sure you get this alot but i cant play mp3 files in ubuntu, i have added the repositories (universe) as said in the wiki tutorial at the ubuntu site, but when i search for the package gstreamer0.9-mad it cant find it (only gstream0.8, and that one is already isntalled) any suggestions, or another ubuntu source.list supported url i can try?
[11:37] <Quest-Master> How come BEEP doesn't have the options that XMMS does?
[11:37] <gauckler> IamMoo: I did a netboot and installed from the archive.ubuntu.com
[11:37] <Quest-Master> Like, Play File, Play Directory, etc
[11:37] <ogra> IamMoo: have you looked at the url  ?
[11:38] <ogra> wii: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:38] <ogra> wii: all the steps you need are described there, read it ....
[11:39] <Quest-Master> How can I mount my Windows drive?
[11:39] <wii> ogra , yes i have gone through that, but as i said it dosent fint the package
[11:39] <ogra> wii: so you havent :)
[11:39] <nomasteryoda> kent: thks
[11:40] <ogra> wii: enable universe
[11:40] <speel> quest: its not mounted already?
[11:40] <ogra> wii: from the site: Other packages can be found in universe and/or multiverse.
[11:41] <Quest-Master> No
[11:41] <Quest-Master> It was usually mounted automatically in SuSE
[11:42] <wii> ogra yes i enabled it in the synaptic frontend
[11:42] <speel> well you can do sudo mount /dev/hda /mnt/whatever
[11:42] <wii> the two sources that was unmarked, the universe
[11:42] <ogra> wii: and you refreshed indeed
[11:43] <wii> hmm that one im ot sure of =)
[11:43] <ogra> wii: :)
[11:44] <speel> is it a good idea to keep the system current?
[11:44] <mane1> hi
[11:44] <Vince-0> <<any1 Got ATI drivers workin on AMD64 arch ?>>
[11:44] <ogra> speel: with security updates ? yes....
[11:44] <wii> ogra ok i dident update =) but when i do i get error msgs
[11:45] <wii> ogra : that the repositorie isent in use
[11:45] <ogra> wii: set it up like here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial/004.jpg/view
[11:45] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: You could also have a look at Computer->System Configuration->Disks
[11:46] <wii> ogra ok thanks! my synaptic just crashed hihi but ill test that probobly will work :>
[11:47] <ogra> wii: it will, i promose :D
[11:47] <ogra> promise
[11:47] <ogra> hwhw
[11:47] <calamari-> does ubuntu come with wine ?
[11:47] <wii> ogra  =) laters, thanks
[11:48] <ogra> calamari-: wine is there, not by default though
[11:49] <calamari-> ogra: ahh, didn't see it in the cd package list.
[11:49] <mane1> i'm a newbie in linux. any1 knows ht install sd card memory?
[11:49] <ogra> calamari-: oh, i'm not sure if its on the cd
[11:50] <ogra> mane1: just plug it in ?
[11:50] <mane1> ogra: dont works
[11:50] <ogra> mane1: what kind of connection ? usb ?
[11:50] <mane1> ogra: i dont see it
[11:51] <Quest-Master> Fwiffo: There is no option Disks
[11:51] <calamari-> ogra: Doesn't seem like it.  I know it'd be in Debian's archive.  I'm still curious, can I download a DEB file and have it be installed by synaptic so that it knows about it, can be upgraded, uninstalled, etc?
[11:51] <Quest-Master> There is device manager though
[11:51] <mane1> ogra: it isnt usb
[11:51] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: oh, sorry - im running Hoary so it's probably something new then
[11:51] <Quest-Master> What's Hoary?
[11:52] <ogra> calamari-: nope... the dependencys could break....99% of debian packages are in universe/multiverse
[11:52] <ogra> Quest-Master: the development branch
[11:52] <Quest-Master> Ah
[11:52] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: It's the development branch og Ubuntu
[11:52] <ogra> Quest-Master: use it only if you can handle breakages
[11:52] <Quest-Master> Nah. :P
[11:52] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: yes, I can vouch for that ;)
[11:52] <calamari-> ogra: I don't quite understand.  If I install universe/multiverse packages I could break the system dependencies?
[11:53] <ogra> mane1: what else ?
[11:53] <ogra> calamari-: nope, but if you install debian packages :)
[11:53] <mane1> ogra: just comes with the notebook
[11:53] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: you can mout the disk automatically by putting it in /etc/fstab
[11:53] <mane1> ogra: the reader
[11:53] <ogra> mane1: what does the deviace manager show ?
[11:53] <Fwiffo> mount
[11:53] <ogra> device
[11:53] <z2nOnly> can anyone recommend a good gui p2p application?
[11:54] <calamari-> ogra: oic.. is there any option for someone like me with a slow connection to download the universe/multiverse packages I need elsewhere and then install them later on my machine?
[11:54] <mane1> cb710 memory card reader
[11:54] <Fwiffo> Quest-Master: do a google on it, there are plenty of examples lying around :)
[11:54] <speel> z2: limewire
[11:54] <ogra> calamari-: there was a thread on the mailing list....
[11:54] <Vince-0> <how do i see my kernel version ?>
[11:54] <z2nOnly> speel, thanks!
[11:55] <speel> np
[11:55] <ogra> mane1: has it a /dev/something entry in the device manager ?
[11:55] <mane1> vincet-o: when you boot
[11:55] <ogra> Vince-0: uname -r
[11:55] <Vince-0> thnkz
[11:56] <ogra> speel: but now say that he/she also needs java ;)
[11:56] <Vince-0> ogra: X-win version ?
[11:56] <mane1> ogra: says Device:Unknown
[11:56] <ogra> mane1: on the detailed tab....
[11:57] <ogra> Vince-0: hmm.... probably in /var/log/XFree86.log
[11:57] <wii> ogra !! it works :P wiiii \o/
[11:57] <Vince-0> thnkz
[11:57] <ogra> :)
[11:57] <ogra> Vince-0: anywhere in the first lines....
[11:57] <mane1> ogra: /sys/devices/pci0000 ...
[11:58] <Quest-Master> Ok
[11:58] <Quest-Master> I'll try it Fwiffo
[11:58] <ogra> mane1: so no /dev entry ....
[11:58] <Quest-Master> Is it normally supposed to be automatically mounted though?
[11:58] <ogra> Quest-Master: win ? nope
[11:59] <Quest-Master> ;-;
[11:59] <mane1> ogra: No. there isnt Device:Unknown
[11:59] <z2nOnly> speel, is limewire available thru synaptic?