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jdub | what was the command to sleep if you can't use your sleep button? | 12:26 |
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azeem | echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep or similar | 12:27 |
jdub | ah, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh | 12:28 |
jdub | nah, that doesn't work | 12:29 |
jdub | now rmmod button is in D state | 12:29 |
jdub | gar | 12:29 |
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azeem | don't you love it when hardware just works[tm] ? :) | 12:29 |
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lamont | Mithrandir: perl's love of terse punctuation and uninitialized variables means that it does unexpected things unless you really dig into the language. | 01:04 |
lamont | I genenerally find that I have to use perl just often enough to have a learning curve every time. | 01:05 |
lamont | BradB: every other use in that file is setting variables that are not set. | 01:05 |
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azeem | heh | 01:22 |
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azeem | ugh | 01:31 |
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lamont | jdub about? | 01:43 |
magnon | ew. Xorg just went unkillable @ 100% cpu and wouldn't let me get rid of it without rebooting. | 02:00 |
mako | the ubuntu talk at GLUEV just went *really* well | 02:01 |
magnon | mako: feeds? | 02:01 |
mako | people *literally* fought over the last cds :) | 02:01 |
magnon | :D | 02:01 |
mako | they nearly tore one of them in half! | 02:01 |
mako | the box, not the cd :) | 02:01 |
mako | and i did something you're never supposed to do | 02:02 |
mako | during the question time, i did an ubuntu install onto a compuer i'd never used before | 02:02 |
mako | just someone who anted to install ubuntu | 02:02 |
mako | and it worked prefectly :) | 02:03 |
magnon | let me guess, it got seamlessly installed | 02:03 |
magnon | :) | 02:03 |
mako | i thought that doing something untested in fromt of 600 peopple is guarentted to make it breka :) | 02:03 |
mako | wow.. that was mangled | 02:03 |
jdub | lamont: pong | 02:04 |
magnon | mako: are there video feeds? | 02:04 |
mako | magnon: there will be.. i don't know if they are yet | 02:04 |
magnon | ok | 02:04 |
mako | i have pretty extensive notes and slides online though | 02:04 |
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magnon | mako: where? | 02:06 |
azeem | tonight, two guys from the BSP here gave a talk about d-i and they decided to try out LVM for the first time... | 02:06 |
mako | azeem: where they as lucky as me? | 02:06 |
azeem | they used the whole partition and then failed to install lilo | 02:07 |
jdub | mako: i heard GULEV was rad | 02:07 |
mako | jdub: it's really really cool | 02:07 |
lamont | jdub: feeling kind enough to add ia64 to bugzilla's list of architectures? | 02:07 |
mako | there were only 3 non-spanish talks | 02:07 |
lamont | or is that a 'discuss this more first' thing? | 02:07 |
jdub | lamont: hrm | 02:07 |
lamont | jdub: exactly | 02:08 |
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lamont | so they're all 'Other' right now. | 02:08 |
mako | jdub: it's totally the kind of conference we want to be at | 02:08 |
mako | the only thing i have to complain about is the headache i get from all the tequila :) | 02:09 |
lamont | mako: after 4 you're supposed to be unconcious.... | 02:10 |
lamont | s/nc/nsc/ | 02:10 |
mako | lamont: didn't work that way last night | 02:10 |
mako | lamont: might have beeter if it had | 02:10 |
mako | last talk now.. rms is talking now :) | 02:11 |
jdub | did you bring vegetables? | 02:12 |
mako | jdub: i think its prudent to forget them. he likes us remember? :) | 02:12 |
azeem | that was before multiverse | 02:13 |
mako | azeem: richard doesn't know about multiverse :) | 02:13 |
jdub | mako: i only bring him up just to tear him down | 02:13 |
mako | jdub: that man is very depressed. | 02:14 |
mako | you would feel sorry for him but he is VERY annoying about it | 02:14 |
mako | azeem: but we also allow GFDL documentation | 02:14 |
lamont | even with multiverse, we're simply allowing end users to run whatever they feel they need on their machine... dammit, it's more freedom for the end user. | 02:15 |
mako | azeem: that ought to get on his good side | 02:15 |
jdub | lamont: um, i'm not sure i know how. | 02:15 |
lamont | and the main/restricted universe/multiverse split helps make it clear what you're doing... | 02:15 |
jdub | how on earth did i get lumped with bugzilla maintenance, anyway? | 02:15 |
mako | richared ends up supporting distributions that are unknowingly distribuint free software | 02:15 |
thom | jdub: no-one else wanted it? | 02:15 |
jdub | thom: stfu! | 02:16 |
lamont | jdub: have to edit the list of platforms in the localconfig file, then run checksetup.pl to copy it to the database | 02:16 |
azeem | lamont: hey, I'm not judging you, just pointing out his possible line of reasoning | 02:16 |
lamont | azeem: yeah | 02:16 |
jdub | lamont: seriously? i can't do that | 02:16 |
lamont | no shell access there? | 02:16 |
lamont | oh thom bot... :-) | 02:16 |
jdub | HA HA HA | 02:16 |
mako | rather than supporting distributions that make it clear when you are using non-free and letting people make adult decisions.. and making freedom the default | 02:16 |
thom | mail me | 02:17 |
thom | i'm going to bed now | 02:17 |
lamont | jdub: you wanna mail him, or want I should just cc you on the mail... | 02:17 |
lamont | ? | 02:17 |
mako | dude, the main organizer for this conference had a baby LAST WEEK | 02:19 |
mako | that guy is A SUPERMAN | 02:19 |
lamont | mako: or was it his wife? | 02:20 |
mako | well, his wife gave birth i suppose | 02:20 |
mako | lamont: that's my best guess at least | 02:21 |
mako | i didn't ask | 02:21 |
mako | :) | 02:21 |
lamont | heh | 02:21 |
mako | probably a pretty safe assumption :) | 02:22 |
lamont | Mithrandir: you still around? | 02:23 |
lamont | ncc -Ml -ansi -s -o elksemu elks.o elks_sys.o elks_signal.o minix.o | 02:24 |
lamont | WARNING: Native a.out generation not included, sorry | 02:24 |
lamont | ... | 02:24 |
lamont | strip: /build/buildd/linux86-0.16.14/debian/tmp/lib/elksemu: File format not recognized | 02:24 |
lamont | that'd be linux86 on amd64. | 02:24 |
lamont | which amusingly enough is #260647. sihg | 02:24 |
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mako | my back is hurting and my mail is synced.. i'm off unless the wireless gets fixed | 02:25 |
magnon | /me goes to sleep as well | 02:25 |
lamont | oh. that reminds me. how many access points should I bring? | 02:25 |
magnon | night | 02:25 |
lamont | to mataro | 02:25 |
mako | lamont: lots :) | 02:25 |
lamont | mako: only have 3... | 02:25 |
mako | lamont: one HUGE one? :) | 02:25 |
lamont | btw, anyone in EU have a netgear box with a US adapter that wants to trade me for my EU adapter? | 02:26 |
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lamont | will have at least one 1W beast | 02:26 |
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lamont | bbl | 02:27 |
azeem | did somebody point out 'Multiverse' to Erich Schubert? java-package is in there | 02:28 |
thom | and the custom install target, for that matter | 02:35 |
bob2 | haha | 02:36 |
KeyserSoze | hey fellas is there a netinstall for amd64? | 02:51 |
mjg59 | ARGH NO NO NO | 03:21 |
mjg59 | If anyone ever suggests putting swsusp2 in the Ubuntu kernel, kill them | 03:22 |
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thom | rofl | 03:23 |
Mithrandir | lamont: pong? | 03:25 |
lamont | Mithrandir: trying to remember what the amd64 error I was going to poke you with was... | 03:26 |
mjg59 | thom: Seriously, people keep suggesting it | 03:26 |
lamont | Mithrandir: ah, was linux86, but the bug is already in debbugs | 03:27 |
Mithrandir | lamont: yes, I've seen it. I need to be more drunk than sober, but less drunk that I'm now to tackle it. | 03:27 |
elmo | looks like our amd64 boxes are happy smp now, btw - which is nice | 03:28 |
Mithrandir | elmo: yay, that is good. Any real change that happended to them? | 03:29 |
mjg59 | Any sign of a kernel maintainer yet? | 03:29 |
elmo | Mithrandir: reinstalled as real amd64, and using (self-compiled) warty kernel source | 03:29 |
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KeyserSoze | anyone that can tell my why the enlightenment package says "not available" on hoary amd64 | 04:00 |
jdub | elmo: how big is a mirror of warty main? | 04:21 |
jdub | elmo: also, can someone mirror warty-security on its own? | 04:21 |
elmo | jdub: err, I _think_ main is about 6Gb for one distro | 04:23 |
elmo | you can only mirror one distro with a script like debmirror | 04:23 |
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lamont | ugly but mostly works. | 04:24 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: d-w libfnlib-dev | 04:24 |
lamont | which is d-w libtool1.4, which won't be fixed. | 04:25 |
lamont | so... create a patch for fnlib that moves it to libtool instead of libtool1.4, and I'll upload it, and we'll quite possibly be enlightened... | 04:25 |
jdub | elmo: one distro meaning 'warty' or 'hoary'? | 04:26 |
elmo | jdub: yeah | 04:27 |
elmo | pool/main == 13Gb, which matches my memory of warty being 6Gb last time I had a local mirror of it | 04:27 |
lamont | warty main+source fits on a dvd | 04:27 |
jdub | cool | 04:27 |
lamont | with room to spare. | 04:27 |
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elmo | jdub: yeah, bear in mind that 6Gb is for 3 arches +source | 04:28 |
lamont | er, warty i386/main + source fits on a dvd - thanks elmo | 04:28 |
jdub | nice | 04:28 |
jdub | it's pretty small | 04:28 |
lamont | jdub: dvd has i386+source main/restricted, bits of universe/multiverse, and theopencd | 04:28 |
jdub | heh | 04:30 |
jdub | and the livecd tacked on? ;) | 04:30 |
lamont | elmo: btw, libtool1.4 can move to universe. | 04:30 |
lamont | 'k thanks bye | 04:30 |
lamont | yeah | 04:30 |
lamont | oh. no livecd | 04:30 |
jdub | that'd be cool | 04:30 |
lamont | didn't want to make it dual boot you see... | 04:30 |
jdub | ;) | 04:30 |
lamont | and I had to shave stuff to fit on the dvd as it was | 04:30 |
lamont | was very sad. | 04:30 |
lamont | 4.7GB == 4700000 bytes | 04:30 |
jdub | no good having a stubbly dvd | 04:30 |
lamont | which truely sucks | 04:30 |
elmo | jdub: gnome-user-share in a seed or should it be in universe? | 04:31 |
jdub | elmo: universe until it's proposed and accepted | 04:31 |
jdub | thanks | 04:32 |
lamont | elmo: actually, if libtool1.4 isn't seeded, then it'll automagically move to universe, yes? | 04:43 |
elmo | if you ignore the muppet behind the curtain, yeah | 04:44 |
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lamont | KeyserSoze: actually, fnlib no longer b-d's libtool1.4... | 05:01 |
lamont | which is to say that enlightenment may be there in about 45 minutes | 05:02 |
lamont | elmo: lol | 05:02 |
lamont | elmo: shame we don't allow previously uncompiled universe packages to enter warty as I free up build-deps. :-( | 05:05 |
jdub | hrm | 05:06 |
jdub | dh_python does not love me | 05:06 |
elmo | lamont: you can upload to warty-updates if you want | 05:06 |
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lamont | elmo: I'd have to care | 05:06 |
lamont | jdub: did you remember to b-d: python? | 05:06 |
elmo | that propagation shit is fucking satanic | 05:06 |
jdub | lamont: yeah | 05:06 |
lamont | elmo: yeah | 05:06 |
elmo | there's a screenshot of it in action next to "WHEN DWIM GOES WRONG" entry in a dictionary somewhere | 05:07 |
jdub | (well, it's a depend of a depend, and i'm doing the build locally) | 05:07 |
lamont | I type in the w-b command, see it say 'propogating', and then get the reject mail shortly thereafter... | 05:07 |
lamont | elmo: lol | 05:07 |
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elmo | jdub: hmm, is something actually going to happen about the chunk of seed proposals at some stage? | 05:09 |
jdub | i was hoping to do an initial pass at them next week | 05:09 |
jdub | to cut it down before the conference | 05:09 |
elmo | ok, cool - I wasn't sure if I was meant to be more activiely fighting for my proposals | 05:10 |
elmo | tho I think I need to redo most of them | 05:10 |
jdub | fight when i say something stupid :) | 05:10 |
lamont | jdub: how do I get firefox to show me text/plain in a simple window? | 05:10 |
jdub | lamont: it normally does | 05:10 |
elmo | jdub: always, dude ;-) | 05:10 |
jdub | perhaps the server is giving you a funny mime type | 05:10 |
lamont | jdub: mine asks me whether to save it to disk or display it with less | 05:10 |
jdub | elmo: so then you should also back me up when baby jesus is crying :-) | 05:11 |
jdub | lamont: bong | 05:11 |
lamont | jdub: bugs.debian.org/283174, click on the byacc.diff attachement (which says text/plain), and that's where I go. | 05:13 |
jdub | because it's a DIFF file | 05:15 |
jdub | weird | 05:15 |
lamont | jdub: like I said. annoying | 05:22 |
elmo | how the heck do we not ship with python-elisp | 05:24 |
jdub | elmo: you around for a bit to process some NEWage? | 05:29 |
elmo | jdub: yeah, only half an hour or so tho | 05:30 |
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elmo | will people laugh at me if I propose lavaps? | 05:39 |
elmo | or does anyone know something else to do what it does well, i.e. get a visual representation of process CPU & memory usage which makes it super easy to find the problem process(es) | 05:40 |
jdub | elmo: flumotion in NEW :) | 05:43 |
elmo | done | 05:47 |
jdub | thanks | 05:48 |
elmo | does synaptic have deborphan style functionality? | 05:58 |
lamont | elmo: ISTR being told it did | 06:00 |
lamont | hrm.. byacc NMU'ed. | 06:00 |
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GotD0t | does anybody know why 3D accelerated games crash my X in hoary? | 06:08 |
lamont | so how do I allow gpg to plock? | 06:12 |
GotD0t | lamont: i couldn't get it to lock when it was installed through apt-get... i had to remove it and compile it from source then lock it | 06:14 |
lamont | GotD0t: it is intentionally not setuid-root from install, because there's a better way to do the same thing... I just can't remember how... | 06:15 |
lamont | ENOPITTI | 06:15 |
lamont | :-) | 06:15 |
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GotD0t | lamont: i know... you're supposed to be able to do chmod u+s but i still got the insecure memory warning | 06:16 |
KeyserSoze | anyone that can tell me why the enlightenment package isn't available? | 06:19 |
KeyserSoze | in hoary | 06:19 |
KeyserSoze | dunno about i386 but it doesn't work in amd64 | 06:19 |
KeyserSoze | Package enlightenment is not available, | 06:19 |
KeyserSoze | I see | 06:21 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: let me check again | 06:21 |
KeyserSoze | there is no amd64 package for it | 06:22 |
KeyserSoze | thats why | 06:22 |
lamont | although this is really a #ubuntu question... | 06:22 |
KeyserSoze | I know | 06:22 |
KeyserSoze | but I've been asking there for a while | 06:22 |
KeyserSoze | the reason is that there is no amd64 in the pool/universe/e/enlightenment dir | 06:22 |
KeyserSoze | just i386,ia64 and powerpc | 06:23 |
GotD0t | lamont: where would i find log files that might tell me why X crashed after running a 3d Accelerated game? | 06:24 |
KeyserSoze | in /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 06:26 |
KeyserSoze | or in your home dir .xsession-errors | 06:26 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: )&%*%^&*(^*(_ wanna-build propogation | 06:29 |
lamont | that, and the fact that fnlib hasn't changed since warty froze | 06:29 |
KeyserSoze | yeah I just tried to apt-get source and saw that fnlib was missing too | 06:30 |
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lamont | KeyserSoze: yeah - pb was that what I did earlier caused fnlib to build for _WARTY_ not hoary (and get rejected, etc.) | 06:31 |
KeyserSoze | ok | 06:31 |
lamont | upload for hoary just happened, will be in the archive in 30 minutes, and enlightenment should hit just over an hour from now | 06:32 |
KeyserSoze | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check | 06:32 |
KeyserSoze | trying to compile fnlib | 06:32 |
KeyserSoze | ohh well | 06:32 |
KeyserSoze | I'll wait | 06:32 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: that was bulding fnlib or enlightenment? | 06:34 |
KeyserSoze | fnlin | 06:34 |
KeyserSoze | fnlib | 06:34 |
lamont | because, mind you, I don't _know_ that enlightenment will build... just know that fnlib does | 06:34 |
KeyserSoze | ok | 06:35 |
KeyserSoze | weird why I got that error | 06:35 |
lamont | dpkg-buildpackage? | 06:35 |
KeyserSoze | apt-get -b source | 06:36 |
KeyserSoze | same thing really just that it applies the diff for me | 06:36 |
lamont | right | 06:36 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: this is just sbuild building in a hoary chroot | 06:37 |
KeyserSoze | this is on a newly installed amd64 hoary | 06:38 |
KeyserSoze | no wonder | 06:40 |
KeyserSoze | I didn't have g++ installed | 06:40 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: fwiw, I missed the window by about 20 seconds, hence the 30 minute wait. :-( | 06:40 |
KeyserSoze | just built fnlib | 06:40 |
KeyserSoze | let me try enlight | 06:41 |
KeyserSoze | wth is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst | 06:44 |
KeyserSoze | whats -lXtst? | 06:44 |
KeyserSoze | Xtest? | 06:44 |
KeyserSoze | wtf? | 06:46 |
KeyserSoze | its there | 06:46 |
KeyserSoze | /usr/X11R6/lib/libXtst.so.6 | 06:46 |
lamont | and is there -L/usr/X11R6/lib in the command line? | 06:50 |
KeyserSoze | configure:14115: cc -o conftest -g -Wall -O2 -L/usr/lib -lImlib conftest.c -lXxf86vm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXtst | 06:51 |
KeyserSoze | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm | 06:51 |
lamont | well, that'd mean that the -L needs to come before that one, too. :-) | 06:51 |
KeyserSoze | this is all busted | 06:52 |
lamont | xorg broke up all the xlibs, and this causes some amount of pain for packages... | 06:52 |
KeyserSoze | how are you getting this to build without manual changes | 06:52 |
lamont | haven't yet. | 06:52 |
KeyserSoze | hehe | 06:52 |
lamont | all I did was coax the buildd into building fnlib/hoary/amd64 | 06:53 |
lamont | and in about 10 minutes, that'll show up in the repository, and free everything that's d-w libfnlib-dev, to build or fail as it sees fit... | 06:53 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: yep. ftbfs | 07:09 |
lamont | patches welcome | 07:09 |
KeyserSoze | hehe | 07:10 |
KeyserSoze | I'm too lazy ;) | 07:10 |
lamont | KeyserSoze: then I guess we'll both have to wait for someone who cares. | 07:20 |
KeyserSoze | its a simple change if you want to make it | 07:22 |
KeyserSoze | to the "configure" | 07:22 |
lamont | night all | 07:22 |
lamont | really? | 07:22 |
KeyserSoze | yeah | 07:22 |
KeyserSoze | I just compiled enlight | 07:22 |
lamont | so unpack it, save that directory, make the change, say 'diff -ur old new' and send me that output... | 07:23 |
lamont | then I can credit you with the patch. :-) | 07:23 |
KeyserSoze | line 13316 | 07:23 |
KeyserSoze | LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -L$prefix/lib -L$prefix/X11R6/lib" | 07:23 |
lamont | by adding the last token, I expect. | 07:23 |
KeyserSoze | yeah | 07:24 |
lamont | seriously - send me an email. I'm going to go crawl into bed, and universe stuff falls through the cracks when I do that. | 07:24 |
lamont | lamont@canonical.com | 07:24 |
KeyserSoze | but I'm too lazy to make a diff and stuff ;) | 07:24 |
lamont | even that much and I'll eventually deal with it. | 07:25 |
lamont | but it certainly is backburner. | 07:25 |
lamont | and I'm off to bed. night all. | 07:25 |
KeyserSoze | ok | 07:25 |
KeyserSoze | night | 07:25 |
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fabbione | morning guys | 09:37 |
smurfix | Should this line in various /etc/init.d/* files be considered a bug? | 09:39 |
smurfix | log_success_msg "Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload" | 09:40 |
smurfix | (occurs with and without redir to stderr) | 09:40 |
smurfix | IMHO that should be turned back to "echo". | 09:40 |
smurfix | Hmmm, everybody asleep at this time... | 09:50 |
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ironwolf | smurfix: not everyone. | 09:54 |
smurfix | Everyone who'd disagree, then. | 09:58 |
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=== Kamion had a cunning idea for a d-i rescue mode over the weekend | ||
Kamion | er, overnight, I mean | 11:21 |
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mdz | a replacement for "proceed until you get to the partitioning step and swich VCS"? | 11:22 |
Kamion | yes | 11:22 |
Kamion | basically one udeb that checks a debconf question and does 'anna-install rescue-mode' if set, and another udeb that runs just before the partitioner, mounts and invokes a shell, and then reboots | 11:23 |
Kamion | very very simple | 11:23 |
fabbione | that sounds cool | 11:23 |
fabbione | mdz: udebs are in the kernel :-) | 11:24 |
fabbione | and i am off | 11:24 |
mdz | fabbione: great | 11:24 |
fabbione | have a nice we | 11:24 |
mdz | built for all architectures? | 11:24 |
fabbione | mdz: yes, including sparc | 11:24 |
fabbione | :) | 11:24 |
mdz | sweet | 11:24 |
fabbione | we will need a special setup to build sparc kernels on the buildd | 11:24 |
fabbione | but that's not ubuntu problem | 11:25 |
fabbione | it's a buildd setup issue | 11:25 |
fabbione | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/ | 11:25 |
fabbione | ^^mdz enjoy :-) | 11:25 |
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Kamion | might have rescue-check do db_set debconf/priority critical or display some helpful message or something; we do actually need to go through language/country/keyboard selection and hardware detection anyway | 11:25 |
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mdz | sounds useful | 11:26 |
mdz | linux-source-2.6.8.1 produces _even more_ binary packages than before | 11:29 |
Kamion | one miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillion binaries | 11:32 |
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Kamion | at some point remind me to jump up and down on benh's head until he makes power3 and power4 go away | 11:35 |
smurfix | In diesem Schritt kompiere ich auf einen Kunden. Von dort wird auf einen anderen Dienst kopiert und der dann wieder auf alle Kunden. | 11:36 |
smurfix | *sigh* | 11:37 |
smurfix | I'll be turning that off now. | 11:37 |
Kamion | hm, I am missing too much vocabulary to be able to translate that | 11:37 |
Kamion | Schritt and kompieren, for a start | 11:38 |
azeem | kompieren was a typo | 11:38 |
azeem | kopieren | 11:38 |
smurfix | It's a comment in a slightly convoluted test script. azeem: I noticed. Kamion: Schritt=step | 11:38 |
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smurfix | azeem: It's not exactly a typo -- with dasher, one doesn't type. ;-) | 11:40 |
azeem | ah | 11:41 |
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elmo | woah | 12:13 |
elmo | a build log somehow managed to infect the title bar of my screen process | 12:13 |
elmo | that's scary wrong | 12:13 |
daniels | to be fair, screen's title handling is pretty horrendous | 12:19 |
elmo | err, I meant status line actually, meh | 12:20 |
elmo | [I made that mistake in my head, corrected it, and still typed it wrong] | 12:20 |
daniels | status line?!? | 12:20 |
daniels | that's pretty impressive | 12:21 |
elmo | sigh, ia64 kernel images are 88Mb a shot | 12:30 |
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zopy | Hi | 12:36 |
zopy | is it plan to add Gartoon icon by default or you want to make your own ? | 12:37 |
zopy | http://zeus.qballcow.nl/icons.php | 12:37 |
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azeem | zopy: the problem with such iconsets is that only a few icons would like that, all the others are regular | 12:40 |
azeem | which looks bad | 12:40 |
zopy | arf | 12:40 |
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RubenV | jakub and the rest are doing great work | 12:41 |
azeem | RubenV: ack | 12:43 |
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_rene_ | /gw 13 | 12:53 |
_rene_ | grmbl | 12:53 |
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jdub | fabbione: there? | 01:08 |
fabbione | yeah now | 01:19 |
fabbione | jdub: ? | 01:21 |
jdub | fabbione: so i need the debootstrap from hoary; | 01:36 |
jdub | fabbione: where was the patch? | 01:36 |
fabbione | jdub: same place where the debs are | 01:37 |
fabbione | i am not sure 100% you can bootstrap.. the base debs should be there already | 01:37 |
jdub | fabbione: oh, your debs? | 01:37 |
fabbione | jdub: in the middle of my debs there is a .diff :-) | 01:38 |
fabbione | debootstrap.diff | 01:38 |
fabbione | remember that you need to find a way to make the _all.deb available to your debootstrap | 01:39 |
fabbione | it's not extremely simple yet | 01:39 |
jdub | how do you mean? | 01:39 |
fabbione | that in the sparc dir there are only the _sparc.deb | 01:39 |
jdub | oh, so _all has to come from archive.ubuntu.com or wherever? | 01:40 |
fabbione | you need to make the _all.deb available to debootstrap somehow | 01:40 |
fabbione | jdub: yes... and that makes it complex | 01:40 |
jdub | oh, i have to rebuild debootstrap on sparc? | 01:40 |
fabbione | no | 01:40 |
fabbione | debootstrap is arch _all | 01:40 |
fabbione | you just need that patch to /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary | 01:40 |
jdub | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ | 01:40 |
jdub | ? | 01:41 |
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fabbione | yes | 01:41 |
fabbione | + debootstrap is very anal in checking the pool/dists tree | 01:42 |
Kamion | debootstrap isn't arch all | 01:44 |
Kamion | it's got pkgdetails.c | 01:44 |
fabbione | true | 01:46 |
fabbione | jdub: well just wait.. it's better | 01:46 |
fabbione | atm it is just pure crack to mix the archive properly and make debootstrap happy | 01:46 |
Kamion | so can I start running germinate against your archive + archive.ubuntu.com to generate debootstrap/sparc? | 01:47 |
fabbione | Kamion: i would wait a bit still | 01:47 |
fabbione | but if you want you are welcome to start | 01:48 |
fabbione | it's not a complete main yet | 01:48 |
Kamion | if it's got all of base it should work fine | 01:48 |
fabbione | Kamion: i think it does... | 01:48 |
Kamion | yeah, I only need base for debootstrap though | 01:48 |
Kamion | where's the archive? | 01:48 |
fabbione | people/~fabbione/sparc | 01:48 |
fabbione | Kamion: the debootstrap.diff is almost mandary | 01:49 |
fabbione | mandatory | 01:49 |
fabbione | it works around 2 things atm | 01:49 |
fabbione | ltrace is not for sparc | 01:49 |
Kamion | yuh-huh, but I refuse to maintain that manually :) | 01:49 |
fabbione | -> moved to the different $archs | 01:49 |
Kamion | I can generate all this stuff automatically; I've been doing so for amd64/i386/powerpc for six months | 01:49 |
fabbione | oh sure | 01:49 |
Kamion | that's what required-base.py does | 01:50 |
fabbione | it was just to show you how it should look after germinate output | 01:50 |
fabbione | lvm2 and strace are FTBFS on sparc atm | 01:50 |
fabbione | and libreadline5 is required to install a bunch of base | 01:50 |
Kamion | that sounds like a bug, we got rid of it from hoary | 01:50 |
fabbione | lvm2 needs to deal with a big 32/64 api/abi problem | 01:50 |
Kamion | after a bunch of syncs from Debian | 01:51 |
fabbione | Kamion: probably it will disappear after i finish to rebuild ubuntu on ubuntu | 01:51 |
Kamion | should do | 01:51 |
fabbione | but if i did build libreadline5 it means that it was in main at some point | 01:51 |
Kamion | yes, it was | 01:51 |
fabbione | well.. than some of my pkgs have used it | 01:52 |
fabbione | and probably still are | 01:52 |
Kamion | the build-deps should be tighter now | 01:52 |
Kamion | we had to change them for sarge | 01:52 |
fabbione | ok | 01:52 |
fabbione | i will be back in 20 minutes | 01:52 |
fabbione | gf is calling | 01:52 |
fabbione | :( | 01:52 |
Mithrandir | poor fabbione :) | 01:53 |
jdub | fabbione: so you reckon i should wait a bit for hot ubuntu-on-sparc action? | 02:20 |
fabbione | jdub: if you like to mess around no.. just do it | 02:21 |
fabbione | but it's not trivial without mixing things around | 02:21 |
fabbione | anyway.. i need to go and done some works in the house | 02:22 |
jdub | might leave it a bit | 02:22 |
jdub | :) | 02:22 |
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fabbione | yeah.. once they will enter the archive it will be very easy | 02:23 |
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daniels | Kamion: seeya there | 02:49 |
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Matt| | the version of evolution in hoary is beyond a joke - It's totally unusable. is there any chance of reverting to an older version? | 04:12 |
azeem | Matt|: uhm, hoary is the development branch, right? | 04:13 |
Matt| | yes | 04:13 |
Matt| | but this version of evolution cannot be tested - it crashes so randomly that no profit is had by using it | 04:14 |
Matt| | and i assume the problems are all upstream | 04:14 |
lemsx1 | Matt|, you are right about that... 2.1 is very unstable | 04:15 |
carlos | Matt|: it works here | 04:15 |
lemsx1 | Matt|, and all upstream | 04:15 |
carlos | 2.1.0 | 04:15 |
lemsx1 | carlos, you don't use imap to access your mail right? | 04:15 |
carlos | no, pops | 04:16 |
Matt| | carlos, you don't get random crashing? | 04:16 |
lemsx1 | carlos, that's part of why it works for you... but does it crash at all? | 04:16 |
Matt| | i use pop only and it's always crashing when I open messages and click on windows and all sorts | 04:16 |
carlos | no, I got 0 crashes | 04:17 |
carlos | and I'm using it since long ago | 04:18 |
Matt| | well i don't know why mine is crashing then | 04:19 |
Matt| | but i've seen all the problems in bugzilla | 04:19 |
Matt| | and they all say "UPST" | 04:20 |
Matt| | 3928 is a classic | 04:20 |
Matt| | 3839, 3310, 3634 | 04:21 |
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Matt| | i don't think this app should even be in the devel branch it's too rubbish | 04:23 |
azeem | Matt|: evo is an important part of the desktop, so there is no use in just dodging problems | 04:23 |
Matt| | but they are upstream problems. Could a previous version of evo not be used? | 04:24 |
tseng | you are in the devel branch | 04:25 |
tseng | it tracks devel versions of key components | 04:25 |
tseng | it would suck to be at the end of hoarys 6 month cycle and just start adding this stuff | 04:25 |
tseng | thats now how it works. | 04:25 |
Matt| | you are right | 04:25 |
tseng | if you want stable versions, see warty. | 04:25 |
tseng | if you want to test the latest, keep tracking bugzilla :) | 04:26 |
Matt| | tseng, i don't have the expertise to understand the complete randomness with which evolution crashes upon clicking on various parts of the window | 04:26 |
Matt| | but i take your point | 04:26 |
tseng | also, remember that evolution used to be developed by Ximian internally | 04:27 |
tseng | they are still adjusting to the gnome proper way of things | 04:27 |
tseng | like.. always stable devel branches :) | 04:27 |
Matt| | yeah guess so | 04:28 |
Matt| | they should have kept it separate ;) | 04:28 |
tseng | no, it will be better someday | 04:28 |
tseng | for everyone. | 04:28 |
Matt| | here's hoping | 04:28 |
tseng | :P | 04:28 |
Matt| | if they integrate it too much into gnome they'll have to call it outlook express tho | 04:29 |
tseng | not true | 04:29 |
Matt| | well obviously not literally | 04:30 |
tseng | it has a seperate backend for data storage that apps are integrating with | 04:30 |
tseng | mostly not directly with the evolution client | 04:30 |
Matt| | tseng, do you use #ubuntu? | 04:31 |
Matt| | i want to ask you some questions about evolution but they are not really appropriate for this chan | 04:31 |
tseng | sure. | 04:31 |
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elmo | cool | 05:01 |
Matt| | does anyone know if anything is happening on bug 2711? | 05:02 |
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Nafallo | hi all! any drawbacks by mixing debian woody and ubuntu warty? I don't want my server without security updates. | 05:05 |
Kamion | Ubuntu warty has security updates | 05:05 |
Kamion | it also entirely supersedes woody by about two years; I wouldn't recommend mixing the two | 05:06 |
Nafallo | Kamion: so do woody. that's why I run both of them on my current server :-). | 05:06 |
azeem | you'd have to violate APT a lot to actually get those two to mix, I bet | 05:06 |
Kamion | you probably *can*, but there's little point, since nearly every package in woody will be replaced by much newer versions in warty | 05:06 |
Nafallo | azeem: in what way? :-) | 05:06 |
azeem | what Kamion said | 05:07 |
Nafallo | Kamion: nope, I couldn't find the jabber server for example :-/. | 05:07 |
elmo | it's in universe | 05:07 |
Nafallo | elmo: and that repo hasn't got security updates :-). | 05:08 |
Kamion | well, it would depend on whether woody's jabber actually works with woody ... | 05:09 |
Kamion | er, with warty | 05:09 |
Nafallo | Kamion: it does :-) | 05:09 |
Nafallo | Kamion: everything I got currently running does :-). | 05:09 |
Kamion | then that should be ok | 05:09 |
Nafallo | oki. I'll run mixed system a while longer then :-). | 05:10 |
GotD0t | have there been any reports of nano not closing when it should? | 05:15 |
eruin | new udev = camera broken ;o | 05:17 |
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eruin | what info would I need to submit for a bug report on my (supported by gphoto2) camera suddenly not working after the last udev upgrade? | 05:36 |
eruin | not even familiar with which packages are involved in this sort of thing | 05:37 |
azeem | eruin: is the camera displayed by hal-device-manager? | 05:40 |
eruin | azeem: yep | 05:41 |
eruin | via tech. vt82x -> dx4330 -> usb ptp interface | 05:41 |
azeem | best info in that case would be the kernel log, probably | 05:42 |
azeem | and perhaps gnome-volume-manager output if you start it from the console (if there is any) | 05:42 |
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eruin | kill it and restart in console? | 05:43 |
azeem | worth a try I guess | 05:44 |
eruin | kernel log hasnt got anything since last boot though | 05:44 |
azeem | and /var/log/messages | 05:44 |
azeem | ? | 05:44 |
eruin | Nov 27 17:41:31 localhost usb.agent[4900] : libgphoto2: loaded successfully | 05:45 |
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Matt| | kernel panic when booting after last hoary upgrade | 05:46 |
Matt| | i think it is just a grub error | 05:47 |
azeem | eruin: anything about USB and devices? | 05:52 |
eruin | azeem: gnome-volume-manager had some interesting output | 05:52 |
eruin | I'll get a pastebin | 05:52 |
eruin | http://pastebin.com/123940 | 05:52 |
eruin | the errors output when pressing import | 05:53 |
azeem | looks informative for a bug report, possibly with some more HAL/udev /var/log/messages log output | 05:54 |
azeem | pitti is the guy who knows about this, but he's not around | 05:54 |
eruin | I'll keep the info saved in a text file for now | 05:55 |
eruin | what's pittis timezone? | 05:56 |
eruin | the only relevant thing I can find in var/log/messages is that libgphoto was loaded successfully though | 05:56 |
sjoerd | eruin: GMT+1 or GMT+2 | 05:57 |
eruin | oh, same as me | 05:57 |
azeem | well, it's weekend :( | 05:57 |
azeem | eh, :( | 05:57 |
eruin | hehe yeah | 05:57 |
azeem | eh, :) | 05:57 |
sjoerd | eruin: what's going wrong ? gthumb doesn't pop up ? | 05:57 |
eruin | gthumb pops up, but hal screams about no property info.capabilites on the device after gphoto pops us | 05:58 |
eruin | up* | 05:58 |
eruin | well thanks for help gathering info azeem :) | 05:58 |
sjoerd | that's normal, the endpoints don't have capabilities | 05:58 |
azeem | eruin: sjoerd is the guy as well | 05:58 |
sjoerd | eruin: but if gthumb pops up what's wrong ? | 05:58 |
eruin | it says there are no images ont he device | 05:59 |
eruin | and "no cameras found" is in the left pane | 05:59 |
eruin | err scratch that | 05:59 |
eruin | gthumb says cannot import pictures - no cameras found | 06:00 |
sjoerd | ah | 06:00 |
eruin | it did however work fine just a few days ago ;) | 06:00 |
sjoerd | check in /proc/bus/usb what the permissions for the camera endpoints are ? | 06:01 |
sjoerd | there should be some of root.plugdev or root.camera | 06:03 |
eruin | if hal-device-manager lists the camera as the first device on controller #4, that means /proc/usb/004/001 ? | 06:03 |
eruin | 007 in there was modified recently | 06:03 |
eruin | and says root.plugdev | 06:04 |
eruin | -rw-rw---- | 06:04 |
eruin | yeah thats definately it | 06:04 |
eruin | should I try changing those? | 06:05 |
sjoerd | no that's the way it should be | 06:05 |
eruin | crap ;) | 06:05 |
smurfix | Hmm. Do this: | 06:05 |
smurfix | strace gphoto2 -n 2>&1 | grep EPERM | 06:06 |
eruin | done | 06:06 |
smurfix | that should display the usb device it has a permission problem with | 06:06 |
sjoerd | eruin: oh and check your in the plugdev group (just to be sure) | 06:07 |
smurfix | assuming that's the problem, that is | 06:07 |
eruin | I'm not | 06:07 |
smurfix | ah | 06:07 |
smurfix | you should be | 06:07 |
azeem | eruin: how did you install ubuntu? | 06:07 |
eruin | minimal warty -> sources to hoary -> hoary | 06:07 |
azeem | warty final? | 06:08 |
azeem | when was plugdev introduced? | 06:08 |
sjoerd | dunno | 06:09 |
sjoerd | eruin: is your user on the system the user which was made during install or did you add it later | 06:09 |
Nafallo | warty final | 06:09 |
eruin | azeem: yeah, the cds canonical shipped | 06:09 |
lamont | moo | 06:09 |
Nafallo | atleast my system has it ;-) | 06:09 |
eruin | sjoerd: made during install | 06:09 |
azeem | eruin: what groups are you in? | 06:09 |
eruin | only thing I've done to it manually is adding it to the src group | 06:09 |
eruin | eruin adm dialout cdrom floppy audio src | 06:09 |
Nafallo | odd | 06:10 |
eruin | I'll logout/login and see if adding myself to plugdev solved it | 06:10 |
eruin | brb | 06:11 |
Nafallo | video plugdev lpadmin scanner <-- those are also added on warty final :-). | 06:11 |
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eruin | yup, adding to plugdev did the trick ;) | 06:13 |
azeem | 18:09 < Nafallo> video plugdev lpadmin scanner <-- those are also added on warty final :-). | 06:13 |
eruin | hmmm | 06:14 |
eruin | well, I ordered the cds about two months ago | 06:14 |
eruin | version 4.10 is all they state | 06:15 |
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Nafallo | eruin: I'm running 4.10 (warty) amd64, and those got added when base-config set my account up :-). | 06:15 |
eruin | that's odd | 06:16 |
Nafallo | hmm, I'll check my girlfriends puter. she's running i386, and not a laptop either... | 06:16 |
Nafallo | she got those groups to. | 06:18 |
eruin | meh! | 06:18 |
eruin | what could I have done to get them removed? | 06:18 |
eruin | and why did the camera suddenly stop working now as opposed to a couple of days ago? :) | 06:19 |
Nafallo | eruin: don't look at me. I haven't touched them ;-P | 06:19 |
eruin | I'll test a fresh install on another partition tomorrow | 06:20 |
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lamont | make[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/syck-0.42' | 06:41 |
lamont | /usr/local/bin/bash ./config.status --recheck | 06:41 |
lamont | make[1] : /usr/local/bin/bash: Command not found | 06:41 |
lamont | hehe | 06:41 |
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daniels | ssssssssssvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn! | 08:05 |
daniels | elmo: could you please install l-r-m b-d's (rpm, sed, sharutils, bzip2, module-init-tools, linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-*) on davis? | 08:08 |
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elmo | done | 08:10 |
daniels | thanks | 08:11 |
daniels | could you please take l-r-m-2.6.8.1 out of it's p-a-s or n-f-u, also? | 08:11 |
elmo | it'll build? | 08:13 |
elmo | err, never mind | 08:13 |
daniels | it will with 2.6.8.1.4-1, yes | 08:13 |
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daniels | amd64 gains madwifi, powerpc gains madwifi, ia64 gains nvidia (and nvidia/fglrx/madwifi all get new versions) | 08:13 |
elmo | it's not p-a-s'ed, it's n-f-u... when the source hits jackass, I'll force g-b | 08:15 |
elmo | [I think buildds infect people with acronymitis... hmm.] | 08:16 |
Nafallo | hmm, kewl encryption ;-) | 08:18 |
daniels | cheers | 08:19 |
daniels | s/it | 08:19 |
daniels | s/it's/its/ | 08:19 |
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daniels | elmo: you're running pychecker on katie?? | 08:37 |
elmo | I always run pychecker | 08:39 |
elmo | katie's not exactly pychecker clean, but I run it | 08:39 |
daniels | ahr | 08:40 |
daniels | heh :) | 08:40 |
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Ferry | hi anyone else having probs with samba support in nautilus with hoary. It sees the machines but i cant connect the password window never pops up | 08:48 |
Ferry | sorry wrong chan | 08:48 |
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sivang | anybody has an idea of the D-LINK DWL-650 will be good enough for mataro? considering it has 100m limit inside buildings.. | 09:26 |
sivang | ? | 09:26 |
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sjoerd | pitti: morning | 09:57 |
pitti | Hi sjoerd | 09:57 |
sjoerd | hal 0.4.1-2 uploaded :) (yeah, finally) | 09:57 |
pitti | sjoerd: by now I just saw a reject message | 10:02 |
sjoerd | ? | 10:02 |
pitti | sjoerd: but I did not yet came to the debian folder in my crowded mailbox | 10:02 |
pitti | sjoerd: ah, here it is | 10:03 |
pitti | sjoerd: congrats! | 10:04 |
pitti | sjoerd: I will package it for Ubuntu at Monday | 10:04 |
sjoerd | cool | 10:04 |
pitti | sjoerd: I put udev 0.046 into Ubuntu yesterday, works great | 10:04 |
sjoerd | nice.. >= 0.046-2 is also working nicely here | 10:06 |
jdub | Md doesn't sound too happy about not getting our patches straight away | 10:06 |
pitti | jdub: what do you mean? | 10:07 |
sjoerd | in his blog you mean ? | 10:07 |
jdub | yeah | 10:08 |
pitti | jdub: I synced the udev package yesterday, it has everything we patched (but the LSB'ified init script) | 10:08 |
pitti | sjoerd: can you please look at #283216? | 10:08 |
sjoerd | that's a ubuntu or a debian but ? | 10:08 |
sjoerd | uh bug | 10:08 |
pitti | sjoerd: if you took something similar to the Ubuntu storage policy, this should be fixed with the new hal | 10:08 |
pitti | sjoerd: Debian | 10:09 |
sjoerd | oh diggers but | 10:09 |
sjoerd | (i asked him to put that in the bts) | 10:09 |
sjoerd | i talked about that to davidz, but apparently it's an fhs violation | 10:10 |
sjoerd | bah i'm blinkd | 10:10 |
sjoerd | and i can't type | 10:10 |
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pitti | sjoerd: ??? I'm confused | 10:10 |
sjoerd | pitti: ignore what i said, i was looking at the wrong bug :) | 10:11 |
sjoerd | 283216 should be indeed fixed now | 10:11 |
pitti | night, guys | 10:17 |
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winkle | Is there a diff between debian and ubuntu dh-make? | 10:18 |
winkle | i'm guessing no | 10:20 |
daniels | doubt it | 10:20 |
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daniels | elmo: linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-power{3,4,pc}{,-smp} | 10:50 |
daniels | elmo: (davis, pls) | 10:50 |
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elmo | done | 11:57 |
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daniels | include/asm/setup.h:8:28: asm-m68k/setup.h: No such file or directory | 11:59 |
daniels | WHAT | 11:59 |
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