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jdubwhat was the command to sleep if you can't use your sleep button?12:26
azeemecho 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep or similar12:27
jdubah, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh12:28
jdubnah, that doesn't work12:29
jdubnow rmmod button is in D state12:29
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azeemdon't you love it when hardware just works[tm] ? :)12:29
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lamontMithrandir: perl's love of terse punctuation and uninitialized variables means that it does unexpected things unless you really dig into the language.01:04
lamontI genenerally find that I have to use perl just often enough to have a learning curve every time.01:05
lamontBradB: every other use in that file is setting variables that are not set.01:05
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lamontjdub about?01:43
magnonew. Xorg just went unkillable @ 100% cpu and wouldn't let me get rid of it without rebooting.02:00
makothe ubuntu talk at GLUEV just went *really* well02:01
magnonmako: feeds?02:01
makopeople *literally* fought over the last cds :)02:01
makothey nearly tore one of them in half!02:01
makothe box, not the cd :)02:01
makoand i did something you're never supposed to do02:02
makoduring the question time, i did an ubuntu install onto a compuer i'd never used before02:02
makojust someone who anted to install ubuntu02:02
makoand it worked prefectly :)02:03
magnonlet me guess, it got seamlessly installed02:03
makoi thought that doing something untested in fromt of 600 peopple is guarentted to make it breka :)02:03
makowow.. that was mangled02:03
jdublamont: pong02:04
magnonmako: are there video feeds?02:04
makomagnon: there will be.. i don't know if they are yet02:04
makoi have pretty extensive notes and slides online though02:04
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magnonmako: where?02:06
azeemtonight, two guys from the BSP here gave a talk about d-i and they decided to try out LVM for the first time...02:06
makoazeem: where they as lucky as me?02:06
azeemthey used the whole partition and then failed to install lilo02:07
jdubmako: i heard GULEV was rad02:07
makojdub: it's really really cool02:07
lamontjdub: feeling kind enough to add ia64 to bugzilla's list of architectures?02:07
makothere were only 3 non-spanish talks02:07
lamontor is that a 'discuss this more first' thing?02:07
jdublamont: hrm02:07
lamontjdub: exactly02:08
=== lamont decided to pretend and just file bugs against ia64, you see...
lamontso they're all 'Other' right now.02:08
makojdub: it's totally the kind of conference we want to be at02:08
makothe only thing i have to complain about is the headache i get from all  the tequila :)02:09
lamontmako: after 4 you're supposed to be unconcious....02:10
makolamont: didn't work that way last night 02:10
makolamont: might have beeter if it had02:10
makolast talk now.. rms is talking now :)02:11
jdubdid you bring vegetables?02:12
makojdub: i think its prudent to forget them. he likes us remember? :)02:12
azeemthat was before multiverse02:13
makoazeem: richard doesn't know about multiverse :)02:13
jdubmako: i only bring him up just to tear him down02:13
makojdub: that man is very depressed.02:14
makoyou would feel sorry for him but he is VERY annoying about it02:14
makoazeem: but we also allow GFDL documentation02:14
lamonteven with multiverse, we're simply allowing end users to run whatever they feel they need on their machine... dammit, it's more freedom for the end user.02:15
makoazeem: that ought to get on his good side02:15
jdublamont: um, i'm not sure i know how.02:15
lamontand the main/restricted universe/multiverse split helps make it clear what you're doing...02:15
jdubhow on earth did i get lumped with bugzilla maintenance, anyway?02:15
makorichared ends up supporting distributions that are unknowingly distribuint free software02:15
thomjdub: no-one else wanted it?02:15
jdubthom: stfu!02:16
lamontjdub: have to edit the list of platforms in the localconfig file, then run checksetup.pl to copy it to the database02:16
azeemlamont: hey, I'm not judging you, just pointing out his possible line of reasoning02:16
lamontazeem: yeah02:16
jdublamont: seriously? i can't do that02:16
lamontno shell access there?02:16
lamontoh thom bot... :-)02:16
jdubHA HA HA02:16
makorather than supporting distributions that make it clear when you are using non-free and letting people make adult decisions.. and making freedom the default02:16
thommail me02:17
thomi'm going to bed now02:17
lamontjdub: you wanna mail him, or want I should just cc you on the mail...02:17
makodude, the main organizer for this conference had a baby LAST WEEK02:19
makothat guy is A SUPERMAN02:19
lamontmako: or was it his wife?02:20
makowell, his wife gave birth i suppose02:20
makolamont: that's my best guess at least02:21
makoi didn't ask02:21
makoprobably a pretty safe assumption :)02:22
lamontMithrandir: you still around?02:23
lamontncc -Ml -ansi -s  -o elksemu elks.o elks_sys.o elks_signal.o minix.o02:24
lamontWARNING: Native a.out generation not included, sorry02:24
lamontstrip: /build/buildd/linux86-0.16.14/debian/tmp/lib/elksemu: File format not recognized02:24
lamontthat'd be linux86 on amd64.02:24
lamontwhich amusingly enough is #260647.  sihg02:24
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makomy back is hurting and my mail is synced.. i'm off unless the wireless gets fixed02:25
magnon /me goes to sleep as well02:25
lamontoh. that reminds me.  how many access points should I bring?02:25
lamontto mataro02:25
makolamont: lots :)02:25
lamontmako: only have 3...02:25
makolamont: one HUGE one? :)02:25
lamontbtw, anyone in EU have a netgear box with a US adapter that wants to trade me for my EU adapter?02:26
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lamontwill have at least one 1W beast02:26
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azeemdid somebody point out 'Multiverse' to Erich Schubert? java-package is in there02:28
thomand the custom install target, for that matter02:35
KeyserSozehey fellas is there a netinstall for amd64?02:51
mjg59ARGH NO NO NO03:21
mjg59If anyone ever suggests putting swsusp2 in the Ubuntu kernel, kill them03:22
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Mithrandirlamont: pong?03:25
lamontMithrandir: trying to remember what the amd64 error I was going to poke you with was...03:26
mjg59thom: Seriously, people keep suggesting it03:26
lamontMithrandir: ah, was linux86, but the bug is already in debbugs03:27
Mithrandirlamont: yes, I've seen it.  I need to be more drunk than sober, but less drunk that I'm now to tackle it.03:27
elmolooks like our amd64 boxes are happy smp now, btw - which is nice03:28
Mithrandirelmo: yay, that is good.  Any real change that happended to them?03:29
mjg59Any sign of a kernel maintainer yet?03:29
elmoMithrandir: reinstalled as real amd64, and using (self-compiled) warty kernel source03:29
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KeyserSozeanyone that can tell my why the enlightenment package says "not available" on hoary amd6404:00
jdubelmo: how big is a mirror of warty main?04:21
jdubelmo: also, can someone mirror warty-security on its own?04:21
elmojdub: err, I _think_ main is about 6Gb for one distro04:23
elmoyou can only mirror one distro with a script like debmirror04:23
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lamontugly but mostly works.04:24
lamontKeyserSoze: d-w libfnlib-dev04:24
lamontwhich is d-w libtool1.4, which won't be fixed.04:25
lamontso...  create a patch for fnlib that moves it to libtool instead of libtool1.4, and I'll upload it, and we'll quite possibly be enlightened...04:25
jdubelmo: one distro meaning 'warty' or 'hoary'?04:26
elmojdub: yeah04:27
elmopool/main == 13Gb, which matches my memory of warty being 6Gb last time I had a local mirror of it04:27
lamontwarty main+source fits on a dvd04:27
lamontwith room to spare.04:27
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elmojdub: yeah, bear in mind that 6Gb is for 3 arches +source04:28
lamonter, warty i386/main + source fits on a dvd - thanks elmo04:28
jdubit's pretty small04:28
lamontjdub: dvd has i386+source main/restricted, bits of universe/multiverse, and theopencd04:28
jduband the livecd tacked on? ;)04:30
lamontelmo: btw, libtool1.4 can move to universe.04:30
lamont'k thanks bye04:30
lamontoh. no livecd04:30
jdubthat'd be cool04:30
lamontdidn't want to make it dual boot you see...04:30
lamontand I had to shave stuff to fit on the dvd as it was04:30
lamontwas very sad.04:30
lamont4.7GB == 4700000 bytes04:30
jdubno good having a stubbly dvd04:30
lamontwhich truely sucks04:30
elmojdub: gnome-user-share in a seed or should it be in universe?04:31
jdubelmo: universe until it's proposed and accepted04:31
lamontelmo: actually, if libtool1.4 isn't seeded, then it'll automagically move to universe, yes?04:43
elmoif you ignore the muppet behind the curtain, yeah04:44
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lamontKeyserSoze: actually, fnlib no longer b-d's libtool1.4...05:01
lamontwhich is to say that enlightenment may be there in about 45 minutes05:02
lamontelmo: lol05:02
lamontelmo: shame we don't allow previously uncompiled universe packages to enter warty as I free up build-deps. :-(05:05
jdubdh_python does not love me05:06
elmolamont: you can upload to warty-updates if you want05:06
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lamontelmo: I'd have to care05:06
lamontjdub: did you remember to b-d: python?05:06
elmothat propagation shit is fucking satanic05:06
jdublamont: yeah05:06
lamontelmo: yeah05:06
elmothere's a screenshot of it in action next to "WHEN DWIM GOES WRONG" entry in a dictionary somewhere05:07
jdub(well, it's a depend of a depend, and i'm doing the build locally)05:07
lamontI type in the w-b command, see it say 'propogating', and then get the reject mail shortly thereafter...05:07
lamontelmo: lol05:07
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elmojdub: hmm, is something actually going to happen about the chunk of seed proposals at some stage?05:09
jdubi was hoping to do an initial pass at them next week05:09
jdubto cut it down before the conference05:09
elmook, cool - I wasn't sure if I was meant to be more activiely fighting for my proposals05:10
elmotho I think I need to redo most of them05:10
jdubfight when i say something stupid :)05:10
lamontjdub: how do I get firefox to show me text/plain in a simple window?05:10
jdublamont: it normally does05:10
elmojdub: always, dude ;-)05:10
jdubperhaps the server is giving you a funny mime type05:10
lamontjdub: mine asks me whether to save it to disk or display it with less05:10
jdubelmo: so then you should also back me up when baby jesus is crying :-)05:11
jdublamont: bong05:11
lamontjdub: bugs.debian.org/283174, click on the byacc.diff attachement (which says text/plain), and that's where I go.05:13
jdubbecause it's a DIFF file05:15
lamontjdub: like I said.  annoying05:22
elmohow the heck do we not ship with python-elisp05:24
jdubelmo: you around for a bit to process some NEWage?05:29
elmojdub: yeah, only half an hour or so tho05:30
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elmowill people laugh at me if I propose lavaps?05:39
elmoor does anyone know something else to do what it does well, i.e. get a visual representation of process CPU & memory usage which makes it super easy to find the problem process(es)05:40
jdubelmo: flumotion in NEW :)05:43
elmodoes synaptic have deborphan style functionality?05:58
lamontelmo: ISTR being told it did06:00
lamonthrm.. byacc NMU'ed.06:00
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GotD0tdoes anybody know why 3D accelerated games crash my X in hoary?06:08
lamontso how do I allow gpg to plock?06:12
GotD0tlamont: i couldn't get it to lock when it was installed through apt-get... i had to remove it and compile it from source then lock it06:14
lamontGotD0t: it is intentionally not setuid-root from install, because there's a better way to do the same thing... I just can't remember how...06:15
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GotD0tlamont: i know... you're supposed to be able to do chmod u+s but i still got the insecure memory warning06:16
KeyserSozeanyone that can tell me why the enlightenment package isn't available?06:19
KeyserSozein hoary06:19
KeyserSozedunno about i386 but it doesn't work in amd6406:19
KeyserSozePackage enlightenment is not available,06:19
KeyserSozeI see06:21
lamontKeyserSoze: let me check again06:21
KeyserSozethere is no amd64 package for it06:22
KeyserSozethats why06:22
lamontalthough this is really a #ubuntu question...06:22
KeyserSozeI know06:22
KeyserSozebut I've been asking there for a while06:22
KeyserSozethe reason is that there is no amd64 in the pool/universe/e/enlightenment dir06:22
KeyserSozejust i386,ia64 and powerpc06:23
GotD0tlamont: where would i find log files that might tell me why X crashed after running a 3d Accelerated game?06:24
KeyserSozein /var/log/Xorg.0.log06:26
KeyserSozeor in your home dir .xsession-errors06:26
lamontKeyserSoze: )&%*%^&*(^*(_ wanna-build propogation06:29
lamontthat, and the fact that fnlib hasn't changed since warty froze06:29
KeyserSozeyeah I just tried to apt-get source and saw that fnlib was missing too06:30
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lamontKeyserSoze: yeah - pb was that what I did earlier caused fnlib to build for _WARTY_ not hoary (and get rejected, etc.)06:31
lamontupload for hoary just happened, will be in the archive in 30 minutes, and enlightenment should hit just over an hour from now06:32
KeyserSozeconfigure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check06:32
KeyserSozetrying to compile fnlib06:32
KeyserSozeohh well06:32
KeyserSozeI'll wait06:32
lamontKeyserSoze: that was bulding fnlib or enlightenment?06:34
lamontbecause, mind you, I don't _know_ that enlightenment will build... just know that fnlib does06:34
KeyserSozeweird why I got that error06:35
KeyserSozeapt-get -b source06:36
KeyserSozesame thing really just that it applies the diff for me06:36
lamontKeyserSoze: this is just sbuild building in a hoary chroot06:37
KeyserSozethis is on a newly installed amd64 hoary06:38
KeyserSozeno wonder06:40
KeyserSozeI didn't have g++ installed06:40
lamontKeyserSoze: fwiw, I missed the window by about 20 seconds, hence the 30 minute wait. :-(06:40
KeyserSozejust built fnlib06:40
KeyserSozelet me try enlight06:41
KeyserSozewth is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst06:44
KeyserSozewhats -lXtst?06:44
KeyserSozeits there06:46
KeyserSoze /usr/X11R6/lib/libXtst.so.606:46
lamontand is there -L/usr/X11R6/lib in the command line?06:50
KeyserSozeconfigure:14115: cc -o conftest -g -Wall -O2   -L/usr/lib  -lImlib conftest.c -lXxf86vm  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXtst06:51
KeyserSoze /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm06:51
lamontwell, that'd mean that the -L needs to come before that one, too. :-)06:51
KeyserSozethis is all busted06:52
lamontxorg broke up all the xlibs, and this causes some amount of pain for packages...06:52
KeyserSozehow are you getting this to build without manual changes06:52
lamonthaven't yet.06:52
lamontall I did was coax the buildd into building fnlib/hoary/amd6406:53
lamontand in about 10 minutes, that'll show up in the repository, and free everything that's d-w libfnlib-dev, to build or fail as it sees fit...06:53
lamontKeyserSoze: yep.  ftbfs07:09
lamontpatches welcome07:09
KeyserSozeI'm too lazy ;)07:10
lamontKeyserSoze: then I guess we'll both have to wait for someone who cares.07:20
KeyserSozeits a simple change if you want to make it07:22
KeyserSozeto the "configure"07:22
lamontnight all07:22
KeyserSozeI just compiled enlight07:22
lamontso unpack it, save that directory, make the change, say 'diff -ur old new' and send me that output...07:23
lamontthen I can credit you with the patch. :-)07:23
KeyserSozeline 1331607:23
KeyserSozeLDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -L$prefix/lib  -L$prefix/X11R6/lib"07:23
lamontby adding the last token, I expect.07:23
lamontseriously - send me an email.  I'm going to go crawl into bed, and universe stuff falls through the cracks when I do that.07:24
KeyserSozebut I'm too lazy to make a diff and stuff ;)07:24
lamonteven that much and I'll eventually deal with it.07:25
lamontbut it certainly is backburner.07:25
lamontand I'm off to bed.  night all.07:25
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fabbionemorning guys09:37
smurfixShould this line in various /etc/init.d/* files be considered a bug?09:39
smurfix        log_success_msg "Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload"09:40
smurfix(occurs with and without redir to stderr)09:40
smurfixIMHO that should be turned back to "echo".09:40
smurfixHmmm, everybody asleep at this time...09:50
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ironwolfsmurfix: not everyone.09:54
smurfixEveryone who'd disagree, then.09:58
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=== Kamion had a cunning idea for a d-i rescue mode over the weekend
Kamioner, overnight, I mean11:21
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mdza replacement for "proceed until you get to the partitioning step and swich VCS"?11:22
Kamionbasically one udeb that checks a debconf question and does 'anna-install rescue-mode' if set, and another udeb that runs just before the partitioner, mounts and invokes a shell, and then reboots11:23
Kamionvery very simple11:23
fabbionethat sounds cool11:23
fabbionemdz: udebs are in the kernel :-)11:24
fabbioneand i am off 11:24
mdzfabbione: great11:24
fabbionehave a nice we11:24
mdzbuilt for all architectures?11:24
fabbionemdz: yes, including sparc11:24
fabbionewe will need a special setup to build sparc kernels on the buildd11:24
fabbionebut that's not ubuntu problem11:25
fabbioneit's a buildd setup issue11:25
fabbione^^mdz enjoy :-)11:25
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Kamionmight have rescue-check do db_set debconf/priority critical or display some helpful message or something; we do actually need to go through language/country/keyboard selection and hardware detection anyway11:25
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mdzsounds useful11:26
mdzlinux-source- produces _even more_ binary packages than before11:29
Kamionone miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillion binaries11:32
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Kamionat some point remind me to jump up and down on benh's head until he makes power3 and power4 go away11:35
smurfixIn diesem Schritt kompiere ich auf einen Kunden. Von dort wird auf einen anderen Dienst kopiert und der dann wieder auf alle Kunden.11:36
smurfixI'll be turning that off now.11:37
Kamionhm, I am missing too much vocabulary to be able to translate that11:37
KamionSchritt and kompieren, for a start11:38
azeemkompieren was a typo11:38
smurfixIt's a comment in a slightly convoluted test script. azeem: I noticed. Kamion: Schritt=step11:38
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smurfixazeem: It's not exactly a typo -- with dasher, one doesn't type. ;-)11:40
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elmoa build log somehow managed to infect the title bar of my screen process12:13
elmothat's scary wrong12:13
danielsto be fair, screen's title handling is pretty horrendous12:19
elmoerr, I meant status line actually, meh12:20
elmo[I made that mistake in my head, corrected it, and still typed it wrong] 12:20
danielsstatus line?!?12:20
danielsthat's pretty impressive12:21
elmosigh, ia64 kernel images are 88Mb a shot12:30
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zopyis it plan to add Gartoon icon by default or you want to make your own ?12:37
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azeemzopy: the problem with such iconsets is that only a few icons would like that, all the others are regular12:40
azeemwhich looks bad12:40
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=== RubenV prefers gnome-icon-theme
RubenVjakub and the rest are doing great work12:41
azeemRubenV: ack12:43
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_rene_ /gw 1312:53
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jdubfabbione: there?01:08
fabbioneyeah now01:19
fabbionejdub: ?01:21
jdubfabbione: so i need the debootstrap from hoary;01:36
jdubfabbione: where was the patch?01:36
fabbionejdub: same place where the debs are01:37
fabbionei am not sure 100% you can bootstrap.. the base debs should be there already01:37
jdubfabbione: oh, your debs?01:37
fabbionejdub: in the middle of my debs there is a .diff :-)01:38
fabbioneremember that you need to find a way to make the _all.deb available to your debootstrap01:39
fabbioneit's not extremely simple yet01:39
jdubhow do you mean?01:39
fabbionethat in the sparc dir there are only the _sparc.deb01:39
jduboh, so _all has to come from archive.ubuntu.com or wherever?01:40
fabbioneyou need to make the _all.deb available to debootstrap somehow01:40
fabbionejdub: yes... and that makes it complex01:40
jduboh, i have to rebuild debootstrap on sparc?01:40
fabbionedebootstrap is arch _all01:40
fabbioneyou just need that patch to /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary01:40
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fabbione+ debootstrap is very anal in checking the pool/dists tree01:42
Kamiondebootstrap isn't arch all01:44
Kamionit's got pkgdetails.c01:44
fabbionejdub: well just wait.. it's better01:46
fabbioneatm it is just pure crack to mix the archive properly and make debootstrap happy01:46
Kamionso can I start running germinate against your archive + archive.ubuntu.com to generate debootstrap/sparc?01:47
fabbioneKamion: i would wait a bit still01:47
fabbionebut if you want you are welcome to start01:48
fabbioneit's not a complete main yet01:48
Kamionif it's got all of base it should work fine01:48
fabbioneKamion: i think it does...01:48
Kamionyeah, I only need base for debootstrap though01:48
Kamionwhere's the archive?01:48
fabbioneKamion: the debootstrap.diff is almost mandary01:49
fabbioneit works around 2 things atm01:49
fabbioneltrace is not for sparc01:49
Kamionyuh-huh, but I refuse to maintain that manually :)01:49
fabbione-> moved to the different $archs01:49
KamionI can generate all this stuff automatically; I've been doing so for amd64/i386/powerpc for six months01:49
fabbioneoh sure01:49
Kamionthat's what required-base.py does01:50
fabbioneit was just to show you how it should look after germinate output01:50
fabbionelvm2 and strace are FTBFS on sparc atm01:50
fabbioneand libreadline5 is required to install a bunch of base01:50
Kamionthat sounds like a bug, we got rid of it from hoary01:50
fabbionelvm2 needs to deal with a big 32/64 api/abi problem01:50
Kamionafter a bunch of syncs from Debian01:51
fabbioneKamion: probably it will disappear after i finish to rebuild ubuntu on ubuntu01:51
Kamionshould do01:51
fabbionebut if i did build libreadline5 it means that it was in main at some point01:51
Kamionyes, it was01:51
fabbionewell.. than some of my pkgs have used it01:52
fabbioneand probably still are01:52
Kamionthe build-deps should be tighter now01:52
Kamionwe had to change them for sarge01:52
fabbionei will be back in 20 minutes01:52
fabbionegf is calling01:52
Mithrandirpoor fabbione :)01:53
jdubfabbione: so you reckon i should wait a bit for hot ubuntu-on-sparc action?02:20
fabbionejdub: if you like to mess around no.. just do it02:21
fabbionebut it's not trivial without mixing things around02:21
fabbioneanyway.. i need to go and done some works in the house02:22
jdubmight leave it a bit02:22
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fabbioneyeah.. once they will enter the archive it will be very easy02:23
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danielsKamion: seeya there02:49
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Matt|the version of evolution in hoary is beyond a joke - It's totally unusable. is there any chance of reverting to an older version?04:12
azeemMatt|: uhm, hoary is the development branch, right?04:13
Matt|but this version of evolution cannot be tested - it crashes so randomly that no profit is had by using it04:14
Matt|and i assume the problems are all upstream04:14
lemsx1Matt|, you are right about that... 2.1 is very unstable04:15
carlosMatt|: it works here04:15
lemsx1Matt|, and all upstream04:15
lemsx1carlos, you don't use imap to access your mail right?04:15
carlosno, pops04:16
Matt|carlos, you don't get random crashing?04:16
lemsx1carlos, that's part of why it works for you... but does it crash at all?04:16
Matt|i use pop only and it's always crashing when I open messages and click on windows and all sorts04:16
carlosno, I got 0 crashes04:17
carlosand I'm using it since long ago04:18
Matt|well i don't know why mine is crashing then04:19
Matt|but i've seen all the problems in bugzilla04:19
Matt|and they all say "UPST"04:20
Matt|3928 is a classic04:20
Matt|3839, 3310, 363404:21
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Matt|i don't think this app should even be in the devel branch it's too rubbish04:23
azeemMatt|: evo is an important part of the desktop, so there is no use in just dodging problems04:23
Matt|but they are upstream problems. Could a previous version of evo not be used?04:24
tsengyou are in the devel branch04:25
tsengit tracks devel versions of key components04:25
tsengit would suck to be at the end of hoarys 6 month cycle and just start adding this stuff04:25
tsengthats now how it works.04:25
Matt|you are right04:25
tsengif you want stable versions, see warty.04:25
tsengif you want to test the latest, keep tracking bugzilla :)04:26
Matt|tseng, i don't have the expertise to understand the complete randomness with which evolution crashes upon clicking on various parts of the window04:26
Matt|but i take your point04:26
tsengalso, remember that evolution used to be developed by Ximian internally04:27
tsengthey are still adjusting to the gnome proper way of things04:27
tsenglike.. always stable devel branches :)04:27
Matt|yeah guess so04:28
Matt|they should have kept it separate ;)04:28
tsengno, it will be better someday04:28
tsengfor everyone.04:28
Matt|here's hoping04:28
Matt|if they integrate it too much into gnome they'll have to call it outlook express tho04:29
tsengnot true04:29
Matt|well obviously not literally04:30
tsengit has a seperate backend for data storage that apps are integrating with04:30
tsengmostly not directly with the evolution client04:30
Matt|tseng, do you use #ubuntu?04:31
Matt|i want to ask you some questions about evolution but they are not really appropriate for this chan04:31
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Matt|does anyone know if anything is happening on bug 2711?05:02
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Nafallohi all! any drawbacks by mixing debian woody and ubuntu warty? I don't want my server without security updates.05:05
KamionUbuntu warty has security updates05:05
Kamionit also entirely supersedes woody by about two years; I wouldn't recommend mixing the two05:06
NafalloKamion: so do woody. that's why I run both of them on my current server :-).05:06
azeemyou'd have to violate APT a lot to actually get those two to mix, I bet05:06
Kamionyou probably *can*, but there's little point, since nearly every package in woody will be replaced by much newer versions in warty05:06
Nafalloazeem: in what way? :-)05:06
azeemwhat Kamion said05:07
NafalloKamion: nope, I couldn't find the jabber server for example :-/.05:07
elmoit's in universe05:07
Nafalloelmo: and that repo hasn't got security updates :-).05:08
Kamionwell, it would depend on whether woody's jabber actually works with woody ...05:09
Kamioner, with warty05:09
NafalloKamion: it does :-)05:09
NafalloKamion: everything I got currently running does :-).05:09
Kamionthen that should be ok05:09
Nafallooki. I'll run mixed system a while longer then :-).05:10
GotD0thave there been any reports of nano not closing when it should?05:15
eruinnew udev = camera broken ;o05:17
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eruinwhat info would I need to submit for a bug report on my (supported by gphoto2) camera suddenly not working after the last udev upgrade?05:36
eruinnot even familiar with which packages are involved in this sort of thing05:37
azeemeruin: is the camera displayed by hal-device-manager?05:40
eruinazeem: yep05:41
eruinvia tech. vt82x -> dx4330 -> usb ptp interface05:41
azeembest info in that case would be the kernel log, probably05:42
azeemand perhaps gnome-volume-manager output if you start it from the console (if there is any)05:42
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eruinkill it and restart in console?05:43
azeemworth a try I guess05:44
eruinkernel log hasnt got anything since last boot though05:44
azeemand /var/log/messages05:44
eruinNov 27 17:41:31 localhost usb.agent[4900] :      libgphoto2: loaded successfully05:45
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Matt|kernel panic when booting after last hoary upgrade05:46
Matt|i think it is just a grub error05:47
azeemeruin: anything about USB and devices?05:52
eruinazeem: gnome-volume-manager had some interesting output05:52
eruinI'll get a pastebin05:52
eruinthe errors output when pressing import05:53
azeemlooks informative for a bug report, possibly with some more HAL/udev /var/log/messages log output05:54
azeempitti is the guy who knows about this, but he's not around05:54
eruinI'll keep the info saved in a text file for now05:55
eruinwhat's pittis timezone?05:56
eruinthe only relevant thing I can find in var/log/messages is that libgphoto was loaded successfully though05:56
sjoerderuin: GMT+1 or GMT+205:57
eruinoh, same as me05:57
azeemwell, it's weekend :(05:57
azeemeh, :(05:57
eruinhehe yeah05:57
azeemeh, :)05:57
sjoerderuin: what's going wrong ? gthumb doesn't pop up ?05:57
eruingthumb pops up, but hal screams about no property info.capabilites on the device after gphoto pops us05:58
eruinwell thanks for help gathering info azeem :)05:58
sjoerdthat's normal, the endpoints don't have capabilities05:58
azeemeruin: sjoerd is the guy as well05:58
sjoerderuin: but if gthumb pops up what's wrong ? 05:58
eruinit says there are no images ont he device05:59
eruinand "no cameras found" is in the left pane05:59
eruinerr scratch that05:59
eruingthumb says cannot import pictures - no cameras found06:00
eruinit did however work fine just a few days ago ;)06:00
sjoerdcheck in /proc/bus/usb what the permissions for the camera endpoints are ?06:01
sjoerdthere should be some of root.plugdev or root.camera06:03
eruinif hal-device-manager lists the camera as the first device on controller #4, that means /proc/usb/004/001 ?06:03
eruin007 in there was modified recently06:03
eruinand says root.plugdev06:04
eruinyeah thats definately it06:04
eruinshould I try changing those?06:05
sjoerdno that's the way it should be06:05
eruincrap ;)06:05
smurfixHmm. Do this:06:05
smurfixstrace gphoto2 -n 2>&1 | grep EPERM06:06
smurfixthat should display the usb device it has a permission problem with06:06
sjoerderuin: oh and check your in the plugdev group (just to be sure)06:07
smurfixassuming that's the problem, that is06:07
eruinI'm not06:07
smurfixyou should be06:07
azeemeruin: how did you install ubuntu?06:07
eruinminimal warty -> sources to hoary -> hoary06:07
azeemwarty final?06:08
azeemwhen was plugdev introduced?06:08
sjoerderuin: is your user on the system the user which was made during install or did you add it later06:09
Nafallowarty final06:09
eruinazeem: yeah, the cds canonical shipped06:09
Nafalloatleast my system has it ;-)06:09
eruinsjoerd: made during install06:09
azeemeruin: what groups are you in?06:09
eruinonly thing I've done to it manually is adding it to the src group06:09
eruineruin adm dialout cdrom floppy audio src06:09
eruinI'll logout/login and see if adding myself to plugdev solved it06:10
Nafallo video plugdev lpadmin scanner <-- those are also added on warty final :-).06:11
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eruinyup, adding to plugdev did the trick ;)06:13
azeem18:09 < Nafallo>  video plugdev lpadmin scanner <-- those are also added on warty final :-).06:13
eruinwell, I ordered the cds about two months ago06:14
eruinversion 4.10 is all they state06:15
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Nafalloeruin: I'm running 4.10 (warty) amd64, and those got added when base-config set my account up :-).06:15
eruinthat's odd06:16
Nafallohmm, I'll check my girlfriends puter. she's running i386, and not a laptop either...06:16
Nafalloshe got those groups to.06:18
eruinwhat could I have done to get them removed?06:18
eruinand why did the camera suddenly stop working now as opposed to a couple of days ago? :)06:19
Nafalloeruin: don't look at me. I haven't touched them ;-P06:19
eruinI'll test a fresh install on another partition tomorrow06:20
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lamontmake[1] : Entering directory `/build/buildd/syck-0.42'06:41
lamont/usr/local/bin/bash ./config.status --recheck06:41
lamontmake[1] : /usr/local/bin/bash: Command not found06:41
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danielselmo: could you please install l-r-m b-d's (rpm, sed, sharutils, bzip2, module-init-tools, linux-headers-*) on davis?08:08
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danielscould you please take l-r-m- out of it's p-a-s or n-f-u, also?08:11
elmoit'll build?08:13
elmoerr, never mind08:13
danielsit will with, yes08:13
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danielsamd64 gains madwifi, powerpc gains madwifi, ia64 gains nvidia (and nvidia/fglrx/madwifi all get new versions)08:13
elmoit's not p-a-s'ed, it's n-f-u... when the source hits jackass, I'll force g-b08:15
elmo[I think buildds infect people with acronymitis... hmm.] 08:16
Nafallohmm, kewl encryption ;-)08:18
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danielselmo: you're running pychecker on katie??08:37
elmoI always run pychecker08:39
elmokatie's not exactly pychecker clean, but I run it08:39
danielsheh :)08:40
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Ferryhi anyone else having probs with samba support in nautilus with hoary. It sees the machines but i cant connect the password window never pops up08:48
Ferrysorry wrong chan08:48
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sivanganybody has an idea of the D-LINK DWL-650 will be good enough for mataro? considering it has 100m limit inside buildings..09:26
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sjoerdpitti: morning 09:57
pittiHi sjoerd09:57
sjoerdhal 0.4.1-2 uploaded :) (yeah, finally)09:57
pittisjoerd: by now I just saw a reject message10:02
pittisjoerd: but I did not yet came to the debian folder in my crowded mailbox10:02
pittisjoerd: ah, here it is10:03
pittisjoerd: congrats!10:04
pittisjoerd: I will package it for Ubuntu at Monday10:04
pittisjoerd: I put udev 0.046 into Ubuntu yesterday, works great10:04
sjoerdnice.. >= 0.046-2 is also working nicely here10:06
jdubMd doesn't sound too happy about not getting our patches straight away10:06
pittijdub: what do you mean?10:07
sjoerdin his blog you mean ?10:07
pittijdub: I synced the udev package yesterday, it has everything we patched (but the LSB'ified init script)10:08
pittisjoerd: can you please look at #283216?10:08
sjoerdthat's a ubuntu or a debian but ?10:08
sjoerduh bug10:08
pittisjoerd: if you took something similar to the Ubuntu storage policy, this should be fixed with the new hal10:08
pittisjoerd: Debian10:09
sjoerdoh diggers but10:09
sjoerd(i asked him to put that in the bts)10:09
sjoerdi talked about that to davidz, but apparently it's an fhs violation10:10
sjoerdbah i'm blinkd10:10
sjoerdand i can't type10:10
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pittisjoerd: ??? I'm confused10:10
sjoerdpitti: ignore what i said, i was looking at the wrong bug :)10:11
sjoerd283216 should be indeed fixed now10:11
pittinight, guys10:17
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winkleIs there a diff between debian and ubuntu dh-make?10:18
winklei'm guessing no10:20
danielsdoubt it10:20
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danielselmo: linux-headers-{3,4,pc}{,-smp}10:50
danielselmo: (davis, pls)10:50
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danielsinclude/asm/setup.h:8:28: asm-m68k/setup.h: No such file or directory11:59

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