=== enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] what was the command to sleep if you can't use your sleep button? [12:27] echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep or similar [12:28] ah, /etc/acpi/sleep.sh [12:29] nah, that doesn't work [12:29] now rmmod button is in D state [12:29] gar === jdub just turns off :) [12:29] don't you love it when hardware just works[tm] ? :) === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] Mithrandir: perl's love of terse punctuation and uninitialized variables means that it does unexpected things unless you really dig into the language. [01:05] I genenerally find that I have to use perl just often enough to have a learning curve every time. [01:05] BradB: every other use in that file is setting variables that are not set. === justdave [~dave@66.227.241.236.gha.mi.chartermi.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont giggles at #283049 [01:22] heh === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] ugh === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-205-129.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:43] jdub about? [02:00] ew. Xorg just went unkillable @ 100% cpu and wouldn't let me get rid of it without rebooting. [02:01] the ubuntu talk at GLUEV just went *really* well [02:01] mako: feeds? [02:01] people *literally* fought over the last cds :) [02:01] :D [02:01] they nearly tore one of them in half! [02:01] the box, not the cd :) [02:02] and i did something you're never supposed to do [02:02] during the question time, i did an ubuntu install onto a compuer i'd never used before [02:02] just someone who anted to install ubuntu [02:03] and it worked prefectly :) [02:03] let me guess, it got seamlessly installed [02:03] :) [02:03] i thought that doing something untested in fromt of 600 peopple is guarentted to make it breka :) [02:03] wow.. that was mangled [02:04] lamont: pong [02:04] mako: are there video feeds? [02:04] magnon: there will be.. i don't know if they are yet [02:04] ok [02:04] i have pretty extensive notes and slides online though === steved [~steve@static24-72-72-185.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] mako: where? [02:06] tonight, two guys from the BSP here gave a talk about d-i and they decided to try out LVM for the first time... [02:06] azeem: where they as lucky as me? [02:07] they used the whole partition and then failed to install lilo [02:07] mako: i heard GULEV was rad [02:07] jdub: it's really really cool [02:07] jdub: feeling kind enough to add ia64 to bugzilla's list of architectures? [02:07] there were only 3 non-spanish talks [02:07] or is that a 'discuss this more first' thing? [02:07] lamont: hrm [02:08] jdub: exactly === lamont decided to pretend and just file bugs against ia64, you see... [02:08] so they're all 'Other' right now. [02:08] jdub: it's totally the kind of conference we want to be at [02:09] the only thing i have to complain about is the headache i get from all the tequila :) [02:10] mako: after 4 you're supposed to be unconcious.... [02:10] s/nc/nsc/ [02:10] lamont: didn't work that way last night [02:10] lamont: might have beeter if it had [02:11] last talk now.. rms is talking now :) [02:12] did you bring vegetables? [02:12] jdub: i think its prudent to forget them. he likes us remember? :) [02:13] that was before multiverse [02:13] azeem: richard doesn't know about multiverse :) [02:13] mako: i only bring him up just to tear him down [02:14] jdub: that man is very depressed. [02:14] you would feel sorry for him but he is VERY annoying about it [02:14] azeem: but we also allow GFDL documentation [02:15] even with multiverse, we're simply allowing end users to run whatever they feel they need on their machine... dammit, it's more freedom for the end user. [02:15] azeem: that ought to get on his good side [02:15] lamont: um, i'm not sure i know how. [02:15] and the main/restricted universe/multiverse split helps make it clear what you're doing... [02:15] how on earth did i get lumped with bugzilla maintenance, anyway? [02:15] richared ends up supporting distributions that are unknowingly distribuint free software [02:15] jdub: no-one else wanted it? [02:16] thom: stfu! [02:16] jdub: have to edit the list of platforms in the localconfig file, then run checksetup.pl to copy it to the database [02:16] lamont: hey, I'm not judging you, just pointing out his possible line of reasoning [02:16] azeem: yeah [02:16] lamont: seriously? i can't do that [02:16] no shell access there? [02:16] oh thom bot... :-) [02:16] HA HA HA [02:16] rather than supporting distributions that make it clear when you are using non-free and letting people make adult decisions.. and making freedom the default [02:17] mail me [02:17] i'm going to bed now [02:17] jdub: you wanna mail him, or want I should just cc you on the mail... [02:17] ? [02:19] dude, the main organizer for this conference had a baby LAST WEEK [02:19] that guy is A SUPERMAN [02:20] mako: or was it his wife? [02:20] well, his wife gave birth i suppose [02:21] lamont: that's my best guess at least [02:21] i didn't ask [02:21] :) [02:21] heh [02:22] probably a pretty safe assumption :) [02:23] Mithrandir: you still around? [02:24] ncc -Ml -ansi -s -o elksemu elks.o elks_sys.o elks_signal.o minix.o [02:24] WARNING: Native a.out generation not included, sorry [02:24] ... [02:24] strip: /build/buildd/linux86-0.16.14/debian/tmp/lib/elksemu: File format not recognized [02:24] that'd be linux86 on amd64. [02:24] which amusingly enough is #260647. sihg === lamont goes back to sleep [02:25] my back is hurting and my mail is synced.. i'm off unless the wireless gets fixed [02:25] /me goes to sleep as well [02:25] oh. that reminds me. how many access points should I bring? [02:25] night [02:25] to mataro [02:25] lamont: lots :) [02:25] mako: only have 3... [02:25] lamont: one HUGE one? :) [02:26] btw, anyone in EU have a netgear box with a US adapter that wants to trade me for my EU adapter? === mako goes for real [02:26] will have at least one 1W beast === lamont must do more honey-do list, or find a new place to sleep. [02:27] bbl [02:28] did somebody point out 'Multiverse' to Erich Schubert? java-package is in there [02:35] and the custom install target, for that matter [02:36] haha [02:51] hey fellas is there a netinstall for amd64? [03:21] ARGH NO NO NO [03:22] If anyone ever suggests putting swsusp2 in the Ubuntu kernel, kill them === BradB [~bradb@modemcable202.193-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] rofl [03:25] lamont: pong? [03:26] Mithrandir: trying to remember what the amd64 error I was going to poke you with was... [03:26] thom: Seriously, people keep suggesting it [03:27] Mithrandir: ah, was linux86, but the bug is already in debbugs [03:27] lamont: yes, I've seen it. I need to be more drunk than sober, but less drunk that I'm now to tackle it. [03:28] looks like our amd64 boxes are happy smp now, btw - which is nice [03:29] elmo: yay, that is good. Any real change that happended to them? [03:29] Any sign of a kernel maintainer yet? [03:29] Mithrandir: reinstalled as real amd64, and using (self-compiled) warty kernel source === justme [~chatzilla@dialup-4.245.34.183.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] anyone that can tell my why the enlightenment package says "not available" on hoary amd64 [04:21] elmo: how big is a mirror of warty main? [04:21] elmo: also, can someone mirror warty-security on its own? [04:23] jdub: err, I _think_ main is about 6Gb for one distro [04:23] you can only mirror one distro with a script like debmirror === lamont does a partial mirror by munging Packages/Sources files. [04:24] ugly but mostly works. [04:24] KeyserSoze: d-w libfnlib-dev [04:25] which is d-w libtool1.4, which won't be fixed. [04:25] so... create a patch for fnlib that moves it to libtool instead of libtool1.4, and I'll upload it, and we'll quite possibly be enlightened... [04:26] elmo: one distro meaning 'warty' or 'hoary'? [04:27] jdub: yeah [04:27] pool/main == 13Gb, which matches my memory of warty being 6Gb last time I had a local mirror of it [04:27] warty main+source fits on a dvd [04:27] cool [04:27] with room to spare. === lamont will bring his warty install dvd to mataro with him [04:28] jdub: yeah, bear in mind that 6Gb is for 3 arches +source [04:28] er, warty i386/main + source fits on a dvd - thanks elmo [04:28] nice [04:28] it's pretty small [04:28] jdub: dvd has i386+source main/restricted, bits of universe/multiverse, and theopencd [04:30] heh [04:30] and the livecd tacked on? ;) [04:30] elmo: btw, libtool1.4 can move to universe. [04:30] 'k thanks bye [04:30] yeah [04:30] oh. no livecd [04:30] that'd be cool [04:30] didn't want to make it dual boot you see... [04:30] ;) [04:30] and I had to shave stuff to fit on the dvd as it was [04:30] was very sad. [04:30] 4.7GB == 4700000 bytes [04:30] no good having a stubbly dvd [04:30] which truely sucks [04:31] jdub: gnome-user-share in a seed or should it be in universe? [04:31] elmo: universe until it's proposed and accepted [04:32] thanks [04:43] elmo: actually, if libtool1.4 isn't seeded, then it'll automagically move to universe, yes? [04:44] if you ignore the muppet behind the curtain, yeah === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] KeyserSoze: actually, fnlib no longer b-d's libtool1.4... [05:02] which is to say that enlightenment may be there in about 45 minutes [05:02] elmo: lol [05:05] elmo: shame we don't allow previously uncompiled universe packages to enter warty as I free up build-deps. :-( [05:06] hrm [05:06] dh_python does not love me [05:06] lamont: you can upload to warty-updates if you want === lamont continues to be reminded that --pretend-avail propogates back to warty. [05:06] elmo: I'd have to care [05:06] jdub: did you remember to b-d: python? [05:06] that propagation shit is fucking satanic [05:06] lamont: yeah [05:06] elmo: yeah [05:07] there's a screenshot of it in action next to "WHEN DWIM GOES WRONG" entry in a dictionary somewhere [05:07] (well, it's a depend of a depend, and i'm doing the build locally) [05:07] I type in the w-b command, see it say 'propogating', and then get the reject mail shortly thereafter... [05:07] elmo: lol === wasabi__ [~wasabi@c-24-1-67-127.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] jdub: hmm, is something actually going to happen about the chunk of seed proposals at some stage? [05:09] i was hoping to do an initial pass at them next week [05:09] to cut it down before the conference [05:10] ok, cool - I wasn't sure if I was meant to be more activiely fighting for my proposals [05:10] tho I think I need to redo most of them [05:10] fight when i say something stupid :) [05:10] jdub: how do I get firefox to show me text/plain in a simple window? [05:10] lamont: it normally does [05:10] jdub: always, dude ;-) [05:10] perhaps the server is giving you a funny mime type [05:10] jdub: mine asks me whether to save it to disk or display it with less [05:11] elmo: so then you should also back me up when baby jesus is crying :-) [05:11] lamont: bong [05:13] jdub: bugs.debian.org/283174, click on the byacc.diff attachement (which says text/plain), and that's where I go. [05:15] because it's a DIFF file [05:15] weird [05:22] jdub: like I said. annoying [05:24] how the heck do we not ship with python-elisp [05:29] elmo: you around for a bit to process some NEWage? [05:30] jdub: yeah, only half an hour or so tho === jdub races against the clock [05:39] will people laugh at me if I propose lavaps? [05:40] or does anyone know something else to do what it does well, i.e. get a visual representation of process CPU & memory usage which makes it super easy to find the problem process(es) [05:43] elmo: flumotion in NEW :) [05:47] done [05:48] thanks [05:58] does synaptic have deborphan style functionality? [06:00] elmo: ISTR being told it did [06:00] hrm.. byacc NMU'ed. === GotD0t [~GotD0t@24.48.147.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] does anybody know why 3D accelerated games crash my X in hoary? [06:12] so how do I allow gpg to plock? [06:14] lamont: i couldn't get it to lock when it was installed through apt-get... i had to remove it and compile it from source then lock it [06:15] GotD0t: it is intentionally not setuid-root from install, because there's a better way to do the same thing... I just can't remember how... [06:15] ENOPITTI [06:15] :-) === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:16] lamont: i know... you're supposed to be able to do chmod u+s but i still got the insecure memory warning [06:19] anyone that can tell me why the enlightenment package isn't available? [06:19] in hoary [06:19] dunno about i386 but it doesn't work in amd64 [06:19] Package enlightenment is not available, [06:21] I see [06:21] KeyserSoze: let me check again [06:22] there is no amd64 package for it [06:22] thats why [06:22] although this is really a #ubuntu question... [06:22] I know [06:22] but I've been asking there for a while [06:22] the reason is that there is no amd64 in the pool/universe/e/enlightenment dir [06:23] just i386,ia64 and powerpc [06:24] lamont: where would i find log files that might tell me why X crashed after running a 3d Accelerated game? [06:26] in /var/log/Xorg.0.log [06:26] or in your home dir .xsession-errors [06:29] KeyserSoze: )&%*%^&*(^*(_ wanna-build propogation [06:29] that, and the fact that fnlib hasn't changed since warty froze [06:30] yeah I just tried to apt-get source and saw that fnlib was missing too === steved [~steve@static24-72-62-185.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:31] KeyserSoze: yeah - pb was that what I did earlier caused fnlib to build for _WARTY_ not hoary (and get rejected, etc.) [06:31] ok [06:32] upload for hoary just happened, will be in the archive in 30 minutes, and enlightenment should hit just over an hour from now [06:32] configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check [06:32] trying to compile fnlib [06:32] ohh well [06:32] I'll wait [06:34] KeyserSoze: that was bulding fnlib or enlightenment? [06:34] fnlin [06:34] fnlib [06:34] because, mind you, I don't _know_ that enlightenment will build... just know that fnlib does [06:35] ok [06:35] weird why I got that error [06:35] dpkg-buildpackage? [06:36] apt-get -b source [06:36] same thing really just that it applies the diff for me [06:36] right [06:37] KeyserSoze: this is just sbuild building in a hoary chroot [06:38] this is on a newly installed amd64 hoary [06:40] no wonder [06:40] I didn't have g++ installed [06:40] KeyserSoze: fwiw, I missed the window by about 20 seconds, hence the 30 minute wait. :-( [06:40] just built fnlib [06:41] let me try enlight [06:44] wth is /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXtst [06:44] whats -lXtst? [06:44] Xtest? [06:46] wtf? [06:46] its there [06:46] /usr/X11R6/lib/libXtst.so.6 [06:50] and is there -L/usr/X11R6/lib in the command line? [06:51] configure:14115: cc -o conftest -g -Wall -O2 -L/usr/lib -lImlib conftest.c -lXxf86vm -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXtst [06:51] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm [06:51] well, that'd mean that the -L needs to come before that one, too. :-) [06:52] this is all busted [06:52] xorg broke up all the xlibs, and this causes some amount of pain for packages... [06:52] how are you getting this to build without manual changes [06:52] haven't yet. [06:52] hehe [06:53] all I did was coax the buildd into building fnlib/hoary/amd64 [06:53] and in about 10 minutes, that'll show up in the repository, and free everything that's d-w libfnlib-dev, to build or fail as it sees fit... [07:09] KeyserSoze: yep. ftbfs [07:09] patches welcome [07:10] hehe [07:10] I'm too lazy ;) [07:20] KeyserSoze: then I guess we'll both have to wait for someone who cares. [07:22] its a simple change if you want to make it [07:22] to the "configure" [07:22] night all [07:22] really? [07:22] yeah [07:22] I just compiled enlight [07:23] so unpack it, save that directory, make the change, say 'diff -ur old new' and send me that output... [07:23] then I can credit you with the patch. :-) [07:23] line 13316 [07:23] LDFLAGS="$LDFLAGS -L$prefix/lib -L$prefix/X11R6/lib" [07:23] by adding the last token, I expect. [07:24] yeah [07:24] seriously - send me an email. I'm going to go crawl into bed, and universe stuff falls through the cracks when I do that. [07:24] lamont@canonical.com [07:24] but I'm too lazy to make a diff and stuff ;) [07:25] even that much and I'll eventually deal with it. [07:25] but it certainly is backburner. [07:25] and I'm off to bed. night all. [07:25] ok [07:25] night === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-241.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:37] morning guys [09:39] Should this line in various /etc/init.d/* files be considered a bug? [09:40] log_success_msg "Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload" [09:40] (occurs with and without redir to stderr) [09:40] IMHO that should be turned back to "echo". [09:50] Hmmm, everybody asleep at this time... === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-7-99.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] smurfix: not everyone. [09:58] Everyone who'd disagree, then. === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@c141199.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion had a cunning idea for a d-i rescue mode over the weekend [11:21] er, overnight, I mean === Kamion is not time-travelling [11:22] a replacement for "proceed until you get to the partitioning step and swich VCS"? [11:22] yes [11:23] basically one udeb that checks a debconf question and does 'anna-install rescue-mode' if set, and another udeb that runs just before the partitioner, mounts and invokes a shell, and then reboots [11:23] very very simple [11:23] that sounds cool [11:24] mdz: udebs are in the kernel :-) [11:24] and i am off [11:24] fabbione: great [11:24] have a nice we [11:24] built for all architectures? [11:24] mdz: yes, including sparc [11:24] :) [11:24] sweet [11:24] we will need a special setup to build sparc kernels on the buildd [11:25] but that's not ubuntu problem [11:25] it's a buildd setup issue [11:25] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/ [11:25] ^^mdz enjoy :-) === fabbione & [11:25] might have rescue-check do db_set debconf/priority critical or display some helpful message or something; we do actually need to go through language/country/keyboard selection and hardware detection anyway === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:26] sounds useful [11:29] linux-source-2.6.8.1 produces _even more_ binary packages than before [11:32] one miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillion binaries === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-48-47.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mirak [~mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-48-47.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] at some point remind me to jump up and down on benh's head until he makes power3 and power4 go away [11:36] In diesem Schritt kompiere ich auf einen Kunden. Von dort wird auf einen anderen Dienst kopiert und der dann wieder auf alle Kunden. [11:37] *sigh* [11:37] I'll be turning that off now. [11:37] hm, I am missing too much vocabulary to be able to translate that [11:38] Schritt and kompieren, for a start [11:38] kompieren was a typo [11:38] kopieren [11:38] It's a comment in a slightly convoluted test script. azeem: I noticed. Kamion: Schritt=step === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-205-129.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] azeem: It's not exactly a typo -- with dasher, one doesn't type. ;-) [11:41] ah === RubenV [~lambda1@83-134-126-191.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [~daniels@george.kkhotels.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] woah [12:13] a build log somehow managed to infect the title bar of my screen process [12:13] that's scary wrong [12:19] to be fair, screen's title handling is pretty horrendous [12:20] err, I meant status line actually, meh [12:20] [I made that mistake in my head, corrected it, and still typed it wrong] [12:20] status line?!? [12:21] that's pretty impressive [12:30] sigh, ia64 kernel images are 88Mb a shot === zopy [~zopy@AMontsouris-152-1-21-254.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:36] Hi [12:37] is it plan to add Gartoon icon by default or you want to make your own ? [12:37] http://zeus.qballcow.nl/icons.php === nasdaq4088 [sdfsd@tkp-ip-nas-1-p198.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] zopy: the problem with such iconsets is that only a few icons would like that, all the others are regular [12:40] which looks bad [12:40] arf === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-205-129.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RubenV prefers gnome-icon-theme [12:41] jakub and the rest are doing great work [12:43] RubenV: ack === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] <_rene_> /gw 13 [12:53] <_rene_> grmbl === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] fabbione: there? [01:19] yeah now [01:21] jdub: ? [01:36] fabbione: so i need the debootstrap from hoary; [01:36] fabbione: where was the patch? [01:37] jdub: same place where the debs are [01:37] i am not sure 100% you can bootstrap.. the base debs should be there already [01:37] fabbione: oh, your debs? [01:38] jdub: in the middle of my debs there is a .diff :-) [01:38] debootstrap.diff [01:39] remember that you need to find a way to make the _all.deb available to your debootstrap [01:39] it's not extremely simple yet [01:39] how do you mean? [01:39] that in the sparc dir there are only the _sparc.deb [01:40] oh, so _all has to come from archive.ubuntu.com or wherever? [01:40] you need to make the _all.deb available to debootstrap somehow [01:40] jdub: yes... and that makes it complex [01:40] oh, i have to rebuild debootstrap on sparc? [01:40] no [01:40] debootstrap is arch _all [01:40] you just need that patch to /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/hoary [01:40] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ [01:41] ? === herzi_lap [~herzi@c141199.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] yes [01:42] + debootstrap is very anal in checking the pool/dists tree [01:44] debootstrap isn't arch all [01:44] it's got pkgdetails.c [01:46] true [01:46] jdub: well just wait.. it's better [01:46] atm it is just pure crack to mix the archive properly and make debootstrap happy [01:47] so can I start running germinate against your archive + archive.ubuntu.com to generate debootstrap/sparc? [01:47] Kamion: i would wait a bit still [01:48] but if you want you are welcome to start [01:48] it's not a complete main yet [01:48] if it's got all of base it should work fine [01:48] Kamion: i think it does... [01:48] yeah, I only need base for debootstrap though [01:48] where's the archive? [01:48] people/~fabbione/sparc [01:49] Kamion: the debootstrap.diff is almost mandary [01:49] mandatory [01:49] it works around 2 things atm [01:49] ltrace is not for sparc [01:49]