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ogramane1: ...has it a block.device entry anywhere ? (assuming you have plugged a sd card in)12:00
Quest-MasterI'm trying to build a web-design editor called Screem and I got this error12:00
Quest-Masterchecking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool12:00
Quest-MasterCould I get this through apt-get?12:01
ograz2nOnly: amule, mldonkey or xmule are there12:01
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ograQuest-Master: screem is in universe12:01
mane1ogra: negative. i have a 128Mb card into the reader but i cant access12:01
Quest-MasterOh really12:02
Quest-MasterAwesome12:02
z2nOnlyogra, thanks!  do you recommend one over another?12:02
ogramane1: do you see the card in the device manager ?12:02
Fwiffomane1: any messages in dmesg after plugging it in?12:02
mane1ogra: yes i do12:02
ograz2nOnly: i didnt use them a long time though, i liked xmule when i used it, but head amule shall be better12:02
ogramane1: has it a block.device entry ?12:03
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mane1ogra: there i can read that cb170 memory card reader controller an Vendor ENE ... and OEM vendor HP and ...12:04
ogramane1: i'm all the time talking about the advanced tab....12:05
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mane1ogra: im looking for at the device, pci and advance tab but in anyone are a block entry12:07
ennteeHello. I had a bit of an X crash, and now when I try to start gdm, it keeps insisting that there is already one running on vt7. Could anyone tell me which pid file I need to rm?12:07
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dadgood morning12:08
ogramane1: plug out and in the card and then type dmesg shortly afterwards in a terminal ....post the last lines to #flood then12:09
ogradad: oh, you are here ? where is mom ?12:09
Vince-0U guyz all use ubuntu - Whooz actually from Africa ?12:09
Fwiffoenntee: try killall X12:09
ennteeFwiffo: I've already rebooted the computer a couple times12:09
Quest-MasterWhy is the Python in the repository only Python 2.3?12:09
Quest-MasterI mean12:09
Quest-Master2.2?12:09
sirfredenntee: Ctrl+Alt+F7 doesn't puts you on that X session?12:09
ennteeso I'm thinking there must be a stale pid file somehwere12:10
Quest-MasterIt should be 2.3.412:10
ennteesirfred: nope12:10
sirfredenntee: What do you see when pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7 ?12:10
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ennteesirfred: GDM offers to start a new one on vt8 because vt7 is busy.12:10
mane1ogra: i can send you a screenshoot of the advanced tab if you want12:10
ennteesirfred: there's a blank, black screen with the default "X" cursor12:10
ogramane1: no, just do what i wrote above :)12:10
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mane1ok12:11
sirfredenntee: Press then, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace12:11
sirfredenntee: On that black screen with default "x" cursor.12:11
Quest-Master...12:11
sirfredenntee: That should kill that session.12:11
Quest-MasterI mounted my Windows drive12:11
Quest-MasterAnd it shows everything12:11
Quest-MasterFolders and files12:11
Quest-MasterAs individual files12:11
Quest-MasterActually12:11
Quest-MasterAs folders with nothing in them.12:12
ennteesirfred: yeah, i tried this once already12:12
sirfredQuest-Master: I think it's a permission problem12:12
Quest-MasterDo I have to mount every single folder manually?12:12
ennteeupon restarting gdm, the same things happens12:12
Quest-MasterWell I mounted it with sudo of course12:12
sirfredenntee: That's strange.12:12
ennteesirfred: *nod*. i even tried installing the gdm from hoary12:12
sirfredQuest-Master: Try to mount it giving access to your user.12:12
ograQuest-Master: show your fstab line for the win partition12:12
Quest-Masterogra: How do I do that?12:13
Quest-MasterAnd sirfred: How do I do that too? :P12:13
ograQuest-Master: gedit /etc/fstab and copy and paste the line you added for windows12:13
sirfredQuest-Master: Use a uid='your uid' otion12:13
sirfredQuest-Master: For example, if you are uid=100012:13
Quest-MasterAh12:14
Quest-MasterI did sudo xmms12:14
sirfredmount /dev/<winpartition> /mnt -o uid=100012:14
ograsirfred: its an octal value12:14
Quest-MasterAnd it worked fine12:14
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ograsirfred: should be uid=00012:14
Quest-Master:)12:14
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sirfredogra: Humm, really?12:14
the_stickHi12:14
the_stick<-- downloading ubuntu right now12:14
sirfredogra: Isn't it the user id you want the partition to have access to?12:14
gaucklerthe_stick: you're cool!12:14
sirfredogra: What you're talking about seems like an umask12:15
the_stickIn the installer , can I create a linux partition with free space from a FAT32/NTFS partition ?12:15
sirfredogra: Perhaps you're talking about umask option.12:15
the_stickor will I have to delete a partition , reformat , get some unpartitioned space and use that ?12:15
sirfredogra: But that's not the problem here, I think.12:15
the_stickgauckler : heh12:16
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the_stickanyone ?12:17
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sirfredthe_stick: I don't know. Didn't try that.12:18
the_stickoh12:18
gaucklerthe_stick: well, maybe you should partition magic to make the windows partition smaller, and then use the freed space.12:18
crimsunthe_stick: if the free space exists prior to running the Ubuntu installer, yes.12:18
sirfredthe_stick: Give it a try, the worse thing that could happen... is that you erase your windows install. Is that bad?12:18
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crimsunthe_stick: the free space must be contiguous, of course12:19
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gaucklerI am starting to like rhythmbox.12:19
crimsunthe_stick: and by free space, I mean the free space OUTSIDE a vfat partition, not INSIDE the partition12:19
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the_stickOh..12:20
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the_sticksirfred : http://www.q-collective.org/linuxbash.html?23640112:20
Quest-MasterWhen I mount something, how can I make it so that not only the root has access to it?12:21
ogra_sirfred: sorry you were right before, sorry should be umask=000 with an octal value indeed12:21
the_stickduh..just search for 236401 in that page ..12:21
sirfredQuest-Master: What you can do is put the option 'users' in that fstab entry12:21
Quest-MasterOk12:21
sirfredQuest-Master: That way , you don't need to be root to mount it.12:21
Quest-MasterAlso, mplayer starts for a second, and then it exits out quickly12:22
Quest-Master:(12:22
sirfredQuest-Master: No error?12:22
Quest-MasterNope12:23
mane1ogra: have you write something? :)12:23
ogra_mane1: nope, i got dropped from the net :(12:23
mane1:)12:24
mane1dont worry12:24
mane1yesterday i find the way to configure the wireless and  webcam12:24
the_stickis there any tool with which I can remove a chuck of space from an existing partion and leave it as unpartitioned space ?12:25
mane1im very happy with ubuntu12:25
crimsunthe_stick: partition magic12:25
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the_stickthans12:25
Quest-Master#12:25
Quest-Master# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>12:25
Quest-Masterproc            /proc           proc    defaults12:25
Quest-Master0       012:25
Quest-Master/dev/hda2       /mnt            fat32   rw,user12:25
ogra_mane1: i suspect you are missing the sg module for the reader, you could try it with: sudo modprobe sg12:25
Quest-Master0       012:25
Quest-Master/dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       112:25
Quest-Master/dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       012:25
Quest-Master/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       012:25
Quest-Master/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       012:25
Quest-MasterErr, sorry about that :X12:26
ogra_Quest-Master: plaese use #flood12:26
Quest-MasterYeah, my bad.12:26
Quest-MasterAnyhow, is that how my fstab should look like?12:26
ogra_Quest-Master: looks good ...for all the linux disks12:26
sirfredQuest-Master: Fine.12:27
ogra_Quest-Master: what is your win deviace ? hda1 ?12:27
calamari_ogra: do you know if synaptic provides a resume feature ?12:27
Quest-Master/dev/hda2 is the Windows partition12:27
Quest-Master/dev/hda1 is some system recovery thing this HP computer "requires."12:27
sirfredQuest-Master: Do you want that partition to be automounted on the system startup?12:27
mane1ogra: i execute but block entry dont apppears12:27
ogra_for XP : /dev/hda2       /mnt/hda2       ntfs   rw,user,noauto,umask=000  0       012:27
ogra_mane1: plug the card out and in....12:28
mane1ogra: yes i have do it12:28
sirfredQuest-Master: In that way, you won't be able to access the partition as non privileged user.12:28
ogra_Quest-Master: argh, leave the rw....12:28
sirfredQuest-Master: Because it will be automounted at startup, as root user.12:29
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sirfredQuest-Master: You should use a uid=<your uid> as another option.12:29
mane1ogra: must i execute some mount command?12:29
sirfredQuest-Master: Or you could use 'noauto', but that way it won't be automounted at startup.12:29
ogra_i.e. :  /dev/hda2       /mnt/hda2       vfat   rw,user,noauto  0       012:30
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ogra_makes it clickable in the "Disks" window for mounting....very comfortable12:31
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ogramane1: nope12:31
ogramane1: gnome-volume-menager should mount it....12:32
StarScreamif i ftp into ubuntu.com can i get 1 package out of hoary? or do i have to use apt to get it?12:32
ogramanager12:32
sirfredthe_stick: Why did you shown me that url?12:32
Quest-MasterI don't have a Disks window though12:32
ograStarScream: depends....12:32
sirfredthe_stick: I've just seen it now12:32
Quest-MasterAnd would it be possible for anyone to update Python in the apt repository?12:32
ograStarScream: but you shouldnt use hoary packages in warty anyway12:33
crimsunQuest-Master: not for Warty, no12:33
StarScreamogra, erm ok, well i want to try xfwm4..but its not in warty12:33
StarScreamso whats the best way to go about it?12:33
mane1ogra: is installed12:33
ograStarScream: compiling them is an option though12:33
ogramane1: i konw, its a default ;)12:33
mane1:)12:33
crimsunStarScream: there are unofficial debs of 4.2RC12:33
ogramane1: but there must be missing something inbetween.....12:34
StarScreamcrimsun, PPC debs?12:34
crimsunStarScream: binary, only i386. Source is available, though.12:34
Quest-MasterIs there any reason why MPlayer is starting up and closing after a second or two?12:34
StarScreamyeh i tried using the xfwm installer...i had all the deps but it died12:34
ograStarScream: you can try to take the hoary pkgs, but its likely that they depend on hoary stuff....and on next update it could be that this hoary stuff depends on other hoary stuff suddenly12:35
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StarScreamogra, hrm...how stable is hoary? it might be worth me just using that12:36
ograStarScream: so you would end up pretty mixed and unstable i guess....12:36
ennteeJust installed Ubuntu, and I'm really happy with it. The only thing that I've noticed, is that especially for graphical stuff, it seems to be a little slower than debian12:36
ennteeAnyone know if the interactivity patch thing in the ubuntu 2.6 kernel is on by default?12:36
ograStarScream: can you handle breakages from time to time ?12:36
ograStarScream: sometimes small ones, sometimes bigger ?12:37
sirfredenntee: Strange. What I like in Ubuntu compared with debian, is that I feel ubuntu faster12:37
ograStarScream: then hoary is ok for you..... else leave it12:37
ennteesirfred: well, it certainly felt quicker at first. maybe it's because i'm using the k7 kernel. maybe i should switch back to 68612:37
sirfredenntee: I'm on a Piii12:38
sirfredenntee: I had a lot of problems on a Duron based system.12:39
ograenntee: do you actually have a k7 ? ;) then you should stick with it12:39
StarScreamogra, i can deal with broken packages...if its just a case of manually installing libs or a dpkg or two12:39
StarScreamto fix it12:39
ennteeogra: well i have an xp 180012:39
ograenntee: was kidding :)12:39
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ennteeogra: humor in a help channel? man, #debian seems so far away.12:39
ograhehe12:39
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StarScreamorgra i might just try using the dpkg from hoary and risk it..worst case is that i will have to upgrade to hoary.12:40
ograStarScream: decide yourself...there were ppl that were very unhappy...others were fine....hoary is in steady flux, so it _could_ break badly....12:40
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GotD0ti just recently upgraded to hoary and now whenever i run a 3D accelerated game X crashes12:43
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StarScreamogra, yeh i'll take my chances with installing the packages manually for now..can i get them via ftp?12:43
GotD0tanybody hear anything similar?12:43
ograGotD0t: daniels has packaged new (hoary) ati and nvidia drivers....12:43
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GotD0togra: where would i get these/12:43
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ennteeIs there a way to do apt-pinning in ubuntu? I'd like to have hoary packages available when I need them, but use warty by default12:43
ograGotD0t i386: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/12:43
ograenntee: its not suggested to mix hoary and warty and not supported.... but its apt :) with all functions ....12:43
ennteecool.12:49
ograenntee: so its possible....12:49
StarScreamenntee, whats apt-pinning?12:49
ograenntee: ubuntu is a stabilized snapshot of sid.....12:49
ograenntee: and tewaked a little bit ;)12:49
ogratweaked12:49
ennteeogra: yeah, i know. sometimes i'm just too impatient when something new comes out12:49
ennteeStarScream: it's a way to tell apt what to favor.12:49
ennteeStarScream: there's some howto's available if you google for apt-pinning.12:49
ograenntee: ubuntu has a 6 month release cycle for stable :) i'm fine with that12:49
ennteeogra: i'm not really happy unless my system randomly breaks12:49
ograenntee: go for hoary !!!12:49
ennteei'm sure i will eventually12:49
ograenntee: break it !! (and report it indeed *g*)12:49
ennteemy gf will hate me, but that's alright.12:49
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ograenntee: hmm..... i have a second machine for hoary....thats better than family wars *g*12:49
ennteeogra: hehe, yeah.12:49
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SmokingFirehi12:55
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Quest-MasterDarnit, this sucks12:55
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SmokingFirewhats a light weight linux that is able to play real media streaming and is ok with 48mb of ram? Like the linux version of win98 but better.12:55
AElfwinehi12:55
StarScreamSmokingFire, try vector12:55
SmokingFireStarScream: thanks, will look12:55
crimsunor damnsmall linux12:55
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StarScreamSmokingFire, Slackware will work too but you have to play with it a bit and be careful what you install12:55
LinuxJonesSmokingFire, damn small linux and icewm outta do it12:55
StarScreamor yeh DSL12:55
crimsunmaybe movix?12:55
crimsunalthough I think that's geared toward divx and not rm12:55
StarScreamreading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto but i have no /etc/apt/apt.conf12:56
SmokingFireLinuxJones: StarScream I'm not to familiar with linux and the hardware is pretty old but standard. And dsl is no problem as it is dsl but the modem uses built in router and dhcp capabilities.12:56
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crimsunSmokingFire: DSL == DamnSmall Linux12:57
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StarScreami meant DamnSmallLinux12:57
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egon_spenglerStarScream, You just create the apt.conf file with the pinning preferences in it12:57
AElfwinedoes anyone knows if nvidia driver can be installed on ubuntu_AMD64 ?12:57
StarScreamegon_spengler, thanks...new to ubuntu/deb12:57
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egon_spenglerStarScream, New to ubuntu myself, but not debian12:58
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skullbockshi12:58
dadhello can someone tell me how to mount a cd on dtop ?12:58
dadall i get is must specify filesystem even though i -t auto it12:59
ogradad: should happen automatically12:59
dadaha12:59
ogradad: if you put it in12:59
dadone would think so Ogra12:59
Rene_SThese Ubuntu cd's are kinda spiffy in there little sleeves, I seen the skinny stud has made his return on the cover01:00
ogradad: happens for me on all my systems01:00
dadim on a G4tower?01:00
dadif that makes a diff01:00
Rene_SDont jump01:00
ogradad: with a default install ?01:00
dadyes01:00
daddvds mount cds dont01:01
ogradad: i have a g3 imac at the office, works there too01:01
TheStuffdad, did u checked /etc/fstab ?01:01
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ogradad: what kind of cds ?01:01
Quest-MasterIs there any way I could reinstall Mplayer?01:01
dadno i havent thestuff thnks ill have a look01:01
ogradad: iso01:01
Arrrrhas anyone ever successfully run NVU in Ubuntu?01:01
ogradad: or mac formatted ?01:01
ArrrrI got this error message: ./nvu-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory01:01
Rene_SQuest-Master, apt-get remove mplayer, then apt-get install mplayer01:02
kentQuest-Master, use synaptic to install it again?01:02
netmonkArrrr, i am and it works perfect for me01:02
dadnope just ordinary dvds and cds i burned with data01:02
Quest-MasterAh01:02
TheStuffdad, also u may use mount command to mount any drive or partition u want01:02
Arrrrnetmonk: did you get that error message?01:02
ograQuest-Master: sudo apt-get install --reinstall mplayer01:02
dadi tried mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom01:02
dadgot a specify filesystem error01:02
netmonknever, just installed ti from synaptic and that was it01:02
dadsorry ogra burned on a mac\01:03
ogradad: -t iso966001:03
dadoops01:03
Arrrrnetmonk: are you talking to me???01:03
Quest-MasterWeird..01:03
ogradad: -t udf01:03
dadso no -t?01:03
Arrrrnetmonk: is nvu in synaptic?01:03
dadaha01:03
Quest-MasterThe following packages have unmet dependencies:01:03
Quest-Master  mplayer: Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed01:03
Quest-Master           Depends: libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.17) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1 is to be installed01:03
dadthnkee i'll take a gander01:03
netmonkyes, Arrrr, sorry. "never, just installed ti from synaptic and that was it"01:03
Quest-MasterBut I apparently have libggi2 and libpng10-0 both installed01:03
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Arrrroh01:04
Arrrrnetmonk: i can't find it in synaptic...01:04
ograQuest-Master: (>= 1.0.17) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu101:04
netmonkArrrr, just a sec01:04
Arrrrcan you send your apt.sources to me??01:05
ograQuest-Master: thats the actual version.....01:05
ograQuest-Master: it wants 1.0.17 but can get only  1.0.1501:05
Quest-MasterHm01:06
ograQuest-Master: which marillat repository did you enter in synaptic ? testing or unstable.....you need testing01:06
netmonkArrrr, sorry! you are right, I built it from source - I got it from www.nvu.com01:06
Quest-MasterOh01:06
Arrrrnetmonk: ah .. ok ok01:06
Quest-MasterCan I add both testing and unstable?01:06
Quest-MasterOr just testing?01:06
Arrrrnetmonk: thx!01:06
ograQuest-Master: just one of them01:06
ograQuest-Master: in your case testing01:06
netmonkArrrr, no problem - not much of a help, sorry ;)01:07
dadmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,01:07
dad       or too many mounted file systems01:07
ogradad: hmm01:07
dadan unfortunate message i have seen rather a lot01:07
TheStuffdad,  ur problem is how to use mount command .. try to check man mount01:07
Arrrrnetmonk: which version are you running??01:07
netmonkArrrr, warty01:08
netmonkhas anyone heard of a distro called BetrIX - distrowatch sais it's a live cd based on Ubuntu?01:08
ograTheStuff: its a mac formatted CD01:09
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Arrrrnetmonk: no.. i mean, the version for nvu01:09
netmonkArrrr, Nvu - version 0.50 (20041006)01:10
dadperhaps mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom is correct?01:10
Quest-Masterftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <-- this is Marillat right?01:10
Arrrrnetmonk: thx! i'll try it now.01:10
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TheStuffdad, would copy me in private ur fstab ? or send it all01:10
netmonkArrrr, good luck ;)01:10
TheStuffdad, would u copy me in private ur fstab ? or send it all01:10
ogradad: if the cd is udf formatted.... else iso966001:10
ograQuest-Master: yep, the url....01:10
Quest-MasterYeah01:11
Quest-MasterI do have it under testing01:11
Quest-Master:P01:11
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dadvery nice of you guys   paste here? might be a little long/01:11
AElfwinehow can I install kernel sources of ubuntu to install a new driver ?01:11
ograQuest-Master: and no other foreign sources (or hoary stuff) ?01:11
ogradad: in #flood please01:12
Quest-MasterDon't think so01:12
dadchannel flood?01:12
ogradad: yep, thats what its for :)01:12
ograAElfwine: what kind of driver ?01:13
AElfwineogra : nvidia driver01:13
mane1thanks for all ogra01:13
Quest-Masterogra: Nope, I don't have any foreign sources01:13
dadbit of an old newb im afraid  lol and where might this channel be?where is this fstab beast?01:13
mane1bye everybody01:13
dadetc?01:13
ograAElfwine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto01:13
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ogradad: /join #flood01:14
AElfwinegreat ogra ,01:14
AElfwineyou are a good guy ;)01:14
ograQuest-Master: hmm, uni and multiverse are enabled ?01:14
ograAElfwine: thankes :)01:15
dadwell i think its up ogra san01:15
socommWhatever happened to bonobo.01:15
AElfwineI 've been looking for a link like this for a long time01:15
Quest-Masterogra: Yep.01:15
ogradad: oh, sorry , could you repost ? i was to slow01:15
ograsocomm: wfx couldnt bear the costs, it ate a lot of bandwidth01:16
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socommogra: lame.01:16
ograQuest-Master: try stable instead of testing then....ths will depend on older versions of the libs01:17
dadoh ok doing01:17
Quest-MasterFor universe?01:17
Quest-MasterOr marillat?01:18
ogradad: looks ok....01:18
ograQuest-Master: matillat01:18
ogra+r01:18
StarScreamk, i added my apt.conf and hoary sources, ran apt-get -t hoary install xfce4  but it says its still the newest package01:18
StarScreameven after apt-get update01:18
dadi guess i cant edit fstab and change noauto to 1 or something?01:18
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ogradad: nope....you could change it to auto....but that would automount it on boot :)01:19
ogradad: the two numbers are for the fs checks on boot01:19
dadaha01:20
dadi think im too old to use linux lol01:20
ogradad: try pmount /dev/hdc , what does that give you01:20
ogradad: how old ?01:20
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dad6901:20
Quest-Masterogra, same errors01:21
Quest-Master Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed01:21
Quest-Master           Depends: libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.17) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1 is to be installed01:21
ogradad: thats ok :)01:21
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dadgives same as before error01:21
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Arrrrwhat should i do if i get this kind of error message in ubuntu: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found01:22
dadrather annoying really as I have a lot of files on cds i wanted to bring over to ubuntu01:22
ograQuest-Master: hmm, did you refresh the package lists ? i.e. apt-get update01:22
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Quest-Masterogra, sure did.01:22
ogradad: and you are sure the CD is ok ?01:22
dadfine it mounts splendidly on osx01:22
dadactually its a dvd i burned with data01:23
ogradad: could you try it with a data cd ?01:24
dadok01:24
Quest-Masterogra, could there be any other media players that support XVid, DivX, and all of those other win32codecs?01:25
ogradad: btw i'm half as old :)01:25
StarScreamk i have hoary in my apt sources file as well as warty but apt-show-versions -p xfce4 still returns only the warty version01:25
ograQuest-Master: i think totem-xine does it01:25
dadmount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,01:25
dad       or too many mounted file systems01:25
dadhehe01:26
StarScreamyet if i run apt-get update i can clearly see it updating hoary01:26
ogradad: hmm.....weird01:26
Quest-Masterogra, hope it works :)01:26
dadyes rather difficult all this linux stuff01:26
ograQuest-Master: for me it does .... it just has no mozilla plugin....01:26
Quest-MasterHm01:27
Quest-MasterThis doesn't look good01:27
Arrrrhellooo01:27
Quest-MasterI'll paste what I got when trying to install totem-xine in #flood01:27
Arrrrhow to install gtk2 in ubuntu?01:27
Arrrrwhich package??01:27
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ograArrrr: its already there by default...alll your desktop is gtk201:27
StarScreamArrrr, you can do apt-search gtk201:27
Arrrrhmm.. but when i try to compile nvu from source, it complains about gtk201:28
StarScreamArrrr, if your compiling stuff you want the -dev version01:28
Arrrroooooooooooooooooooo01:28
Arrrrthx!01:28
StarScreamArrrr, is nvu not in apt?01:28
dadfunny that dvds will mount automatically and cds wont01:28
Arrrrnope01:28
Quest-Masterogra: Any idea what that means?01:29
StarScreamhmm furry muff...01:29
birmefunny nick... I thought that you all guys were frustrated01:29
ograArrrr: sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel01:29
dadi was frustrated once in 195201:29
dadmarch01:29
Quest-Masterlol01:29
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Arrrrogra: what's that package for??01:30
ograQuest-Master: that looks like a common error from hoary...strange...you are sure your not using hoary ?01:30
dadi suppose i had better google this problem some more01:30
ograArrrr: pulls in all needed dev packages for gnome desktop apps (incl gtk2-dev glib-dev etc)01:31
Quest-MasterNope01:31
StarScreamenntee, were you doing apt-pinning before or was it some one else?01:31
Quest-MasterI'm not using Hoary?01:31
Quest-MasterWell, I shouldn't be01:31
Quest-MasterIs there a way to check?01:31
dadnot having a p2p for linux is awful:) no Sinatra no beethoven01:31
ograQuest-Master: do you see hoary anywhere in your repository list in synaptic ?01:31
StarScreamdad what p2p do you want?01:32
ogradad: what kind of p2p ?01:32
billytwowillyHi, I've got an athlon xp 2700 that keeps making the "i'm overheating" siren noise. I replaced the cpu fan/heatsink with something much better and it still does it. Also, running at full load it comes nowhere near the overheating temp. Any ideas what could be wrong?01:32
Quest-Masterdad: Use BitTorrent :)01:32
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dadpardon ? is there a p2p?01:32
Quest-MasterUse BitTorrent.01:32
ogradad: lots of mule derivatives01:32
Quest-MasterI'm sure you'll be able to find albums and albums of classical music with it.01:32
StarScreamdad, there is heaps of clients01:32
Quest-Master:)01:32
Quest-MasterBitTorrent happens to be my favorite01:32
dadi sense another battle with bitTorrent get and how do i use this lol01:32
StarScreamdad, just depends which one you want...but yeh bittorrent is better01:32
AlJGod. Ubuntu's soo nice. Any nice recommendable apps?01:33
billytwowillyazureus is awesome.01:33
StarScreamdad just get auzeurus (sp?) its java and x platform01:33
Quest-MasterAzureus is best.01:33
ograQuest-Master: btw, its just a cosmetic error, one of your desktop launchers seems broken....01:33
dadbeing a mac user i just expect all my apps to install automatically and wink at me from an apps folder01:33
dadthen again i wouldnt be learning anything new eh?01:34
StarScreamdad i'm running ubuntu under ppc too..on my ibook..i got sick of the winking apps01:34
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skullbockshi01:34
dadfair enough starscream01:34
Quest-Masterogra: Coesmetic error?01:34
Quest-Master*cosmetic01:34
Quest-MasterShould I reboot?01:34
ogradad: ubuntu is not there yet....the menu entry mostly has to be made by hand...but the installing is pretty well already01:34
skullbockscan some one help me cedega ?01:34
dadcan i synaptic azureus?01:34
ograQuest-Master: you are on LINUX01:34
dadyes it looks like fun ogra01:34
skullbocksi am trying to play war301:35
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ograQuest-Master: you only reboot if you update your kernel or your hardware ;)01:35
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StarScreamQuest-Master, dont reboot01:35
StarScreamnix isn't made to be rebooted....01:35
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StarScreamhowever for some reason apple insist on rebooting after every minor update too come to think of it01:36
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Quest-MasterXD01:36
Venkerhi there01:36
Quest-MasterWell, what's the fix then?01:36
Matt|quick hoary question. I have unresolvable dependencies from the package "openoffice.org-debian-files". What should I do? it's annoying me to have one package which doesn't update01:36
CraHan_just installed mdnsresponder and the new gnome-sharing app that uses rendezvous01:36
ograQuest-Master: find the broken desktop launcher :)01:36
CraHan_now the ibook detects the share through rendezvous, but it can't access it01:36
Quest-MasterHow to do that? :P01:36
CraHan_keeps saying the file can't be found anymore01:36
ograQuest-Master: dunno.....01:36
CraHan_Matt|: you using dselect to install packages?01:37
StarScreamanyone here familiar with apt-pinning?01:37
ograQuest-Master: look for foreign programs, it does not happen with supported apps01:37
CraHan_otherwise I think you can ignore it for a day or so until it's updated01:37
CraHan_should follow through nicely after that01:37
dadi got bittorrent from syanptic i think now how do i start it?01:37
Matt|CraHan_, nope synaptic01:37
StarScreamdad get a torrent file01:37
Matt|CraHan_, how come? it's been like this for a few days01:38
Quest-Masterogra: Only programs open are Nautilus, X-Chat and Gaim.01:38
CraHan_Matt|: ah sorry, don't use thta myself, but you should be able to mark a package fixed so it doesn't try to upgrade01:38
StarScreamdad, then type bittorrent torrentfile..or if you have a gui for it01:38
ograQuest-Master: the launcher.....01:38
StarScreamthen open up the torrent01:38
CraHan_Matt|: no idea, just noticed it here today myself01:38
Matt|CraHan_, ah ok01:38
ograQuest-Master: did you create any menu entrys ?01:38
Matt|shall i whinge in devel?01:38
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Quest-MasterI don't think so01:38
dadummm from where? I just want to start something like my usenet reader on osx or acquisition01:38
ograQuest-Master: or is there any app you installed that created one ?01:39
Quest-MasterAh.01:39
melazyboyMan the new evolution in hoary is a piece of shit01:39
Quest-MasterMPlayer is one01:39
melazyboyeven for devel01:39
StarScreamdad, not sure i understand what you mean sorry01:39
Gnobodyis there anyway to restore a the Windows XP boot loader from linux on a fat32 drive?01:39
ograQuest-Master: maybe thats the evil one01:39
Matt|melazyboy, yup01:39
dadhehe id like to be able to download some music01:39
Quest-MasterUninstall it then?01:39
Arrrrdoes anyone know if i can defragment the file system in linux?01:39
ograStarScream: he wants to know how to start bittorrent gui01:39
StarScreamGnobody, fdisk /mbr ?01:39
Matt|melazyboy, i have some problems with evolution - occasionally it just randomly disappears01:39
Matt|Arrrr, no need01:39
Matt|Arrrr, that's for windows :)01:40
CraHan_gnome seems to have this admin-share app but it doesn't work01:40
Quest-Masterlol01:40
melazyboyMatt|: I mean so much so that its disguisting this should be prealpha, Matt| jclick contants and right click personal..01:40
Arrrroh ok th01:40
melazyboycrash.01:40
Arrrrthx01:40
StarScreamdad, ah ok well bit torrent is slightly different to other p2p programs01:40
Matt|melazyboy, hang on01:40
CraHan_it asks for the root password at startup and since ubuntu doesn't have root enabled it bails out01:40
melazyboyMatt|: And i really need it =/ bah ill need to find a new contant book01:40
CraHan_has anyone gotten this app working?01:40
Arrrrwhy linux does not need defragmentation?01:40
ogradad: it has a weird appname ... i dont remember it...wait a sec01:40
GnobodyUnable to open /mbr01:40
StarScreamdad basically you get a .torrent file from a website01:40
Matt|melazyboy, that works ok with me01:40
GnobodyI accidently deleted ntldr01:41
StarScreamthen you open the torrent file with your chosen bittorrent client01:41
Gnobodyfrom linux01:41
Matt|Arrrr, the file system does not fragment easily01:41
StarScreamand it starts downloading01:41
Arrrrbut it still fragments, right?01:41
CraHan_isn't it 'btdownloadcurses torrentfile'?01:41
melazyboyMatt|: Don't know why it crashes for me then i imported maybe 10 contacts, and after i click contacts if i right click the pane above it that says personal it crashes on me01:41
dadoh ok  i have a lot of music on my osx patition but i guess i cant access it01:41
CraHan_or 'btdownloadgui torrentfile'01:41
ogradad: CraHan_01:41
StarScreamdad yeh you can,01:41
dadreally? thatd be great01:42
Matt|melazyboy, oh well. Sometimes I left click on the view window of emails and it just disappears ;)01:42
dadCrahan?01:42
CraHan_afaik bittorrent is started as either btdownloadheadless, btdownloadgui or btdownloadcurses01:42
CraHan_depending on what interface to bittorrent you need01:42
Matt|CraHan_, yeah that's right01:42
StarScreamdad there is 2 ways, the easy way and the hard way...the easy way is to install an ext2 module into osx01:42
ogradad: look what he writes01:42
usualget gnome-bittorrent01:42
GnobodyStarScream is there a way I can restore NTLDR01:42
Gnobody?01:42
Venkerbittornado rules! :)01:42
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StarScreamthen mount it and copy it to your home dir01:43
ogradad: open a terminal and run: btdownloadgui01:43
Gnobodyfixboot on the XP cd from the recovery console doesn't help01:43
CraHan_headless I never used, curses gives you a semi gui in a console and the gui version is a gtk interface01:43
StarScreamGnobody, i dont know of the top of my head sorry, i haven't used windows since 98 :)01:43
Gnobodycool01:43
daddid that ogra need wxpython installed error01:43
gsonis there anyway to convert an ntfs filesystem to an ext2/ext3 filesystem without destroying all the current data on it?01:44
ogradad: ouch.....01:44
Quest-MasterYay01:44
usualogra, gnome-bittorrent works great01:44
dadthnks starscream01:44
StarScreamdad if you download azureus its a nice gui01:44
Quest-MasterTotem can run my DivX movies01:44
Quest-MasterWhoa01:44
Quest-MasterThe videos are really bright and the color is off though01:44
dadok ill try01:44
StarScreamdad and its java so its easy and has barely any deps01:44
ograusual: is it in warty ?01:44
Quest-MasterAny way to fix that?01:44
Quest-MasterAzureus is a reason why we should code apps in Python and Java :)01:44
usualogra, I don't think so but someone made ubuntu packages, i found it in the wiki01:44
StarScreamdad http://azureus.sourceforge.net/01:45
ograusual: great !01:45
gsonis there anyway to convert an ntfs filesystem to an ext2/ext3 filesystem without destroying all the current data on it?01:45
CraHan_Quest-Master: preferences, second tab (display), bottom01:45
_|Imanewbie|_does anyone here has another distro worth mentioning? Im wondering about installing another distro01:45
CraHan_Quest-Master: there's options there (sliders) for brightness; contrast and saturation/hue01:45
StarScreamdad oh crap your on an OSX box ?01:45
ogradad: something to read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GNOMEBittorrentGUI01:46
usualhttp://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GNOMEBittorrentGUI01:46
StarScreamsun dont make a java PPC linux version01:46
usualI use it01:46
usualworks great01:46
StarScreamand apple dont make a linux ppc version...downsides of non-OSS software01:46
LinuxJonesgson, can you move the data to another partition then format as ext3 then move the data back. You can't convert ntfs>>ext* as far as I know.01:46
CraHan_dad: if you're using OSX then you get the OSX bittorrent package here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bittorrent/BitTorrent_OSX_3.4.2.dmg?download01:46
Quest-MasterThanks a bunch CraHan01:47
Quest-MasterI am now finally set to watch my anime :D01:47
CraHan_Quest-Master: no problem`01:47
StarScreamCraHan_, i think he's Ubuntu PPC01:47
CraHan_StarScream: ah ok01:47
StarScreamCraHan_, i wish sun would just OpenSource java...would make life a fcsk load easier01:47
CraHan_was playing with the Xorg dropshadows and transparency and holy shit is that stuff slow :)01:48
Quest-MasterPython is the best :D01:48
dadwhere do i untar azureus?01:48
StarScreamyeh Xcomposite is slow atm...but when they add the opengl backend it will be quick01:48
CraHan_StarScream: yeah I know :(01:48
CraHan_StarScream: unfortunately my toshiba has a cyberblade/XP card which isn't 3D accelerated.  Well it is, but it's not supported in linux :/01:49
dadthanks crahan i think im switching to overload old brain danger will robinson mode01:49
StarScreamdad in yer home dir, but what i was saying before is that I dont think you will be able to run it if your under a PPC Linux as sun dont make java for PPC and getting the version from IBM is painful01:49
CraHan_so no OpenGL for me01:49
ograCraHan_: tecra 8XXX ?01:49
dadaha another gotcha ;)01:49
CraHan_ogra: satellite pro 460001:49
mike8901how would you guys suggest i give away my 500+ ubuntu cds?01:49
StarScreamCraHan_, then composite wont help you at all i'm afraid01:49
ograCraHan_: oh....01:49
CraHan_StarScream: yeah that's what I was afraid for01:49
StarScreamxdamage might though01:49
ograCraHan_: they also had cyberblades.....01:50
GnobodyYou need to enable RenderAccel01:50
GnobodyCraHan_01:50
LinuxJonesmike8901, how did you get 500 ubuntu cd's ?01:50
StarScreami have a crappy ati 7500 in this POS laptop and i can only use the framebuffer01:50
Gnobodyit makes xcomposites fast01:50
Venkerso... how are the X.org running under Ubuntu?01:50
Gnobodyhoary01:50
Venker(I'm using Debian Sarge now)01:50
CraHan_Gnobody: but doesn't renderaccel require some form of 3D acceleration?01:50
Gnobodyyes01:50
StarScreamCraHan_, yeh it does01:50
ograVenker: in the unstable branch01:50
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StarScreamGnobody, his card doesn't support it01:51
Venkerunstable branch is Hoary?01:51
Gnobodyahh01:51
CraHan_Gnobody: don't have 3D support for my card under linux; so I'm stuck I'm afraid :/01:51
Gnobodyget a new card01:51
CraHan_Venker: yup01:51
Gnobody;)01:51
dadthanks a bunch fellas think i might fire up osx and get a bit of work done  cheers01:51
CraHan_Gnobody: laptop01:51
Venkerthanks :)01:51
Gnobodyahh01:51
Gnobodywhat card is it?01:51
CraHan_CyberBlade/XP01:51
CraHan_trident01:51
Gnobodydoes it support 3d in windows?01:51
CraHan_yeah01:51
hk-alfahi, squid cache is mount on /var/spool/cache as debian?01:51
StarScreamdad if you need help feel free to come back...it took me a while to get linux going on my ibook01:51
CraHan_there's been a whole discussion about this card a year or so ago01:51
dadi will  much appreciated01:52
StarScreamso i know linux PPC isn't the easiest thing01:52
ogradad: youre welcome everytime :)01:52
dadchhers01:52
StarScreambut its worth it if your mainly using X11 apps under OSX anyway01:52
CraHan_Trident refused to release the specs forthe card without the devs signing an NDA01:52
GnobodyWhy do people run PPC Linux what is wrong with OS X?01:52
CraHan_so they didn't go forward and just went for plain 2D acceleration01:52
StarScreamGnobody, slow, clunky and gets in yer way :)01:52
CraHan_Gnobody: I use OSX on the ibook01:52
CraHan_I use linux/gnome on the toshiba01:52
socommGnobody: Something to do.01:52
StarScreamGnobody, and it doesn't have Gnome/KDE/XFCE :)01:52
Gnobodyhow slow is it?01:52
CraHan_Gnobody: I find it very comfortable01:53
Gnobodyit can't be as slow as KDE on a modern g401:53
CraHan_of course that's a matter of opinion :)01:53
StarScreamGnobody, its fast..if you have a G4 but on a g3 linux is much quicker01:53
socommStarScream: There are ways to install those on almost any OS.01:53
CraHan_I use OSX and fink for any linux utils I'm missing01:53
GnobodyYou can USE X11 on OSX01:54
CraHan_yeah you can01:54
CraHan_OSX comes with its own X11 server01:54
Gnobodyso why put linux on01:54
Gnobody?01:54
StarScreamsocomm, yeh but i was using only x11 apps and i had to run aqua underneath it all01:54
CraHan_I use X forwarding a lot on this machine01:54
StarScreamwhich was pointless since linux runs much better on my g3 80001:54
CraHan_isn't it possible to just install Darwin and then install the X apps on top of that?01:54
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StarScreamthat and apple dont make wireless drivers to go into monitor mode01:54
CraHan_from the GNUDarwin stuff?01:54
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CraHan_hmmm01:55
StarScreamCraHan_, yeh probably, but if your doing that..you may as well run linux anyway...quicker install01:55
Gnobodydoes anybody have point2play with cedega?01:55
CraHan_I don't think this rendezvous stuff on ubuntu is ready yet :)01:55
CraHan_better ditch it and wait for it to become a bit more stable01:55
StarScreamrendezvous?01:56
Gnobodyrendezbous for X86?01:56
CraHan_StarScream: point taken01:56
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ograWOW, who pointed me to gnome-btdownload thats a really grat tool01:56
ogragreat01:56
socommWhat is redezvous?01:56
Gnobodyogra is a bit torrent client01:56
CraHan_Gnobody: yeah there's this mdnsdiscover app which together with a gnome file share thingy enables you to share a public dir in your $home over rendezvous01:56
Gnobody?01:56
aquariusI admit that this is strictly a Gnome 2.8 question, but how can I put a panel applet of some kind in the far right corner of the top panel with a warty installation?01:57
LinuxJonesogra, bittornado is much better :)01:57
StarScreamdont get me wrong OSX is great...but when your coming from linux to OSX, it can feel a little restrictive...especially since i use kde so i have EVERYTHING gui related customized01:57
socommogra: Linkage?01:57
ograGnobody: i know, but someone pointed me there...i'm just looking at it....nice integrated already01:57
CraHan_aquarius: make sure the other applets aren't locked, if they are, right click on them and then select unlock.  Then middle click on the applet you want to move and drag it to the corner01:57
StarScreamCraHan_, i think gnome 3 will do that when its released01:57
CraHan_StarScream: I'll wait then :)01:57
StarScreamCraHan_, could use samba01:58
ograCraHan_: that could take years ;)01:58
CraHan_StarScream: yeah but there's this app in gnome in ubuntu now called admin-share or something01:58
CraHan_if you start it, it asks for the root pass01:58
ograCraHan_: i think they will follow the 2.xx for a while.....01:58
socommhttp://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/01:58
CraHan_and since ubuntu doesn't have a root user enabled by default it'll fail :)01:59
aquariusCraHan_, ahaha! Unlock! I didn't know about that. Thanks!01:59
CraHan_aquarius: np01:59
aquariusAnd now I have a window selector widget. Hooray!01:59
ograsocomm: ubuntu pkg ;)  http://www.sury.org/ubuntu/01:59
CraHan_it's under System Tools and it's called shares01:59
StarScreamCraHan_, sudo passwd root01:59
CraHan_StarScream: yeah but shouldn't it be made to function without that?01:59
CraHan_so the regular joe can use it?02:00
CraHan_maybe through gksu?02:00
ograCraHan_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo02:00
CraHan_lemme check that out :)02:00
StarScreamCraHan_, hmm why does it need root perms?02:00
StarScreamif its designed for end lusers02:00
CraHan_no idea, but it's asking for them02:00
StarScreamare you sure it doesn't just need it for the initial set up02:01
CraHan_it says 'to run this tool you need administrator privileges' and it asks for you to enter your root password02:01
ograCraHan_: it should ask for your password, else its a bug, report it02:01
Quest-MasterWhen doing a mount, how can I mount it for users too?02:01
StarScreamsee if you can find the projects home page and check out the docs...i'd say that would be your best bet. I can't imagine they would make an end user tool that need root perms02:01
CraHan_it doesn't ask for the users password02:02
StarScreamit could just be to crank up the daemon02:02
CraHan_it wants the root pass02:02
ograCraHan_: what happens if you use the user pw ?02:02
StarScreamanyhoo, me bed now..02:02
CraHan_ogra: fails, says it's incorrect02:02
mike8901then its right...02:02
mike8901you need the ROOT password02:03
mike8901not the users password02:03
CraHan_yeah I know02:03
mike8901soo... whats the problem?02:03
CraHan_but since ubuntu is built around the sudo concept02:03
CraHan_sholdn't it be changed?02:03
ograCraHan_: file a bug, it uses gksu where it should use gksudo ... this is on hoary ?02:03
CraHan_so it uses gksu mike8901 ?02:03
CraHan_ogra: yeah02:03
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sidneycan anybody tell me how to set the default sound output device?02:04
ograCraHan_: so go on... you found a bug....squash it ;)02:04
Arrrrhmmm02:04
CraHan_ogra: yeah adding gksudo in the properties dialog fixes it :)02:04
Arrrrnvu compilation takes agesssssssssss02:04
ograsidney: whats wrong with your sound ?02:04
CraHan_ogra: that's bug nr 3 I filed so far ;)02:04
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ograCraHan_: but you should report it....then it gets fixed in the pkg02:04
sidneyI have two devices but the sound isn't going out the one I want. How can I change which one it goes out?02:05
CraHan_always happy to help though02:05
CraHan_ogra: doing that now02:05
ograCraHan_: great02:05
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sidneyogra, any ideas?02:06
ograsidney: hmm, probably through the load order of the modules of your sound devices..... do you know the modules the two devices use ?02:07
SuperQhrm02:08
SuperQBlueToof02:08
Arrrrwhat's a good firewall program for ubuntu?02:08
socommArrrr: iptables.02:09
Arrrrhmmm02:09
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Arrrrcommand line????02:09
socommArrrr: you probably want firestarter.02:09
ograsidney: the sound output will always use /dev/dsp , the first sounddevice detected claims this device node i think02:09
socommArrrr: yes iptables == commandline02:09
LinuxJonesArrrr, you can try firestarter it's a gnome based gui02:09
Arrrrok02:09
SuperQArrrrrrrrrrrr!02:09
SuperQI'm a pirate02:09
Arrrrhahaah02:09
SuperQdamn.. need to figure out ubuntu+bluetooth02:10
sidneyogra, soundcore, snd, snd_pcm, usbcore02:10
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socommSuperQ: http://google.com/linux02:11
sidneythose are what i get when I look at lsmod02:11
SuperQsocomm: heh.. duh02:11
ograSuperQ: dig through the mailing lists...packages exist......02:11
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SuperQogra: yea.. i'm looking at some of it02:11
SuperQi found some packages02:11
SuperQbig problem is, the Treo 650 and the T5 changed their hotsync protocol02:11
sidneyogra, I have internal speakers and a usb soundcard02:11
SuperQneed to see if anyone has come up with patches for gnome-pilot02:11
CraHan_there02:12
ograsidney: look for something like snd-blah123  or post the output of: lsmod|grep snd         to #flood02:12
CraHan_bug filed :)02:12
ograsidney: oh02:12
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limauniondoes anyone know how can i change the icons (the image i mean) from gdesklets' starter-bar ?02:13
SuperQ.11.8 doesn't seem to work02:13
SuperQ(of pilot-link)02:13
sidneyogra, I'll put it on #flood02:13
ograsidney: great02:13
GnobodyI know I souldn't ask this but could somebody DCC me Point2Play?02:14
Quest-MasterIs there a program similar to Add/Remove Programs in WinXP here in Ubuntu?02:15
Quest-MasterBesides Synaptic, it doesn't have a lot of the programs which are really installed02:15
socommQuest-Master: apt-get remove package02:15
Quest-MasterIs that the only way?02:16
Gnobodydpkg -r02:16
ograsidney: snd_ali5451 is one and snd_usb_audio is the other......02:16
Gnobodydpkg is more powerful02:16
socommQuest-Master: bach + rm02:16
socomms/bach/bash02:16
CraHan_time for me to get to bed02:16
Quest-MasterLike, 85% of my partition is already used02:16
ograsidney: i guess you want the external sound.....02:16
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CraHan_I'll see you all later =)02:16
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socommLinux is getting boring.02:18
socomm:^/02:18
sidneyogra, yes02:18
melazyboyis there anyway to disable gxines stupid ass warning about wmf files02:18
RuffianSoldierUbuntu is going to blow away Linux02:18
ograsidney: do you need the internal sound ?02:18
sidneynope02:18
Quest-MasterSee, there are programs that CAN'T be removed with dpkg or apt-get02:18
Quest-MasterSuch as the games that are included like Ataxx and Solitaire that I want to remove02:18
socommRuffianSoldier: really, does ubuntu have a new kernel in the works?02:18
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: Ubuntu is a LINUX distro...02:19
RuffianSoldierya02:19
RuffianSoldierbut its going to break the mould02:19
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melazyboy...02:20
melazyboyk...02:20
ograsidney: sudo echo snd-ali5451 >>  /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base02:20
ograsidney: should prevent the internal sound from loading02:20
melazyboyif your trying to test alsasound you can just pipe urandom to aplay02:20
sidneyogra, and If I do need to get the internal sound back?02:21
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melazyboycat /dev/urandom | aplay02:21
ograsidney: if it doesnt work, remove the last line from /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base (i.e. sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base)02:21
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sidneyogra, check out flood; is that normal?02:22
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ograsidney: yep02:22
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socommRuffianSoldier: is this a Microkernel, or Monolithic kernel?02:23
ograsidney: these are the deprecated oss modules that arent used anymore....so they are blacklisted to prevent collisions with alsa02:23
sidneyogra, so what does the last line have to do anything about anything?02:23
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socommRuffianSoldier: Or a hybrid kernel? That would be so 1337!!!!102:24
SuperQhaha02:24
ograsidney: the command i gave you adds snd-ali5451 as the last line02:24
RuffianSoldiersocomm, naa, they have something up there sleeve02:24
sidneyogra, the command, i get "Permission denied"02:24
socommRuffianSoldier: o.O02:25
ograsidney: so if you remove it again the module gets loaded on next boot02:25
socommRuffianSoldier: W00T!02:25
Quest-MasterWhere is the fstab file located?02:25
sidneyogra, well, gedit did it for me02:25
socommRuffianSoldier: I'm gonna be like "H4X T3H PL4N3T!!!1" when it's released.02:25
ograsidney: just add it with sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base02:25
SuperQlol02:25
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ograsidney: i forgot you have to use tee if you use echo with sudo, sorry....02:26
sidneyogra: so a restart is needed?02:26
socommRuffianSoldier: heh, I'm just playing with. Anyhow I gotta go, cya.02:26
ograsidney: you can remove all the sound related modules manually....a reboot is faster :)02:27
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sidneyogra, heh thanks for all your help!02:27
MacRohardSuperQ, meh. it's not that great ;)02:27
spityhi02:27
SuperQMacRohard: heh02:27
ograsidney: hope it works :)02:27
SuperQMacRohard: sup02:27
MacRohardno much02:27
SuperQMacRohard: damn.. i can't seem to find the pilot-link cvs tree02:28
wood1Hi all02:28
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SuperQMacRohard: I guess they have some kind of working T5/Treo650 code in there02:28
wood1Can somebody tell me the basics to setup PGP for my Emails02:28
MacRohardSuperQ, it's prolly on sourceforge02:28
SuperQyea02:28
SuperQeek02:29
SuperQpilot-link files on sf are old02:29
SuperQwood1: you first need to generate a key02:29
SuperQwood1: have you done that02:29
Quest-Masterogra: can you tell me in #flood if this is the right way fstab should be?02:30
SuperQwood1: you're running ubuntu right?02:30
ograSuperQ: would multisync do it ? there are realtively fresh packages....02:30
Quest-MasterI want the Windows partition to be mounted as soon as I start up too btw02:31
ograQuest-Master: put the two zeros in, like on the other lines02:31
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SuperQogra: dunno, but i guess all the gui apps like gnome-pilot depend on the pilot-link libs02:32
ograSuperQ: ah, i thought you wnated to sync evolution.....02:32
sidneyOGRA! You are the master. Kudos!02:32
ograwnated02:32
ograsidney: :)02:32
sidneyThanks bud!02:33
ograsidney: just good guessing (and a bit experience ....)02:33
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SuperQogra: i do02:33
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MacRohardSuperQ, maybe it just isn't being worked on02:34
SuperQogra: gnome-pilot has an evolution conduit02:34
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SuperQMacRohard: mailing list says that .12 (.11 is current) is being worked on for T5 and hopefuly Treo650 support02:34
ograSuperQ: could these help ? http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu/02:34
SuperQogra: maybe02:35
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SuperQogra: i havn't used the multisync stuff before02:35
asubediare there any hoary livecds yet?02:35
tyranois there a TeX or LaTeX editor in ubuntu02:36
SuperQtyrano: probably in universe02:36
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bonzaiu can use kile02:36
ograSuperQ: i just followed the thread on the ML.....02:36
SuperQogra: ok02:36
SuperQogra: thanks02:36
ograasubedi: sure02:36
SuperQogra: whichh list02:36
Rene_SHmm, there is no gdk-pixbuf-2.0 in warty or hoary ?  Can't make gdesklets without it.02:37
ograasubedi: hoary...., oh, no....sorry02:37
ograasubedi: i was to fast02:37
ograSuperQ: ubuntu-users02:37
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ilmariRene_S: it's in libgtk2.0-dev02:38
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ilmarilibgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gdk-pixbuf-2.0.pc02:38
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Rene_Soh, ok thanks02:38
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dad_hi fellas02:39
LinuxJonesdad_, hiya02:39
dad_pretty addictive this learning stuff02:39
ogradad_: hehe02:40
SuperQhah02:40
dad_i was on osx and i thought hey i havent touched the keyboard in 5 mins im bored lol02:40
ograRene_S: if you compile more often you may like to install gnome-core-devel02:40
dad_now can someone please tell me where all my apps are so i can add them to the menus?02:41
Rene_Silmari, thanks alot, I had all the libgdk things installed except that one02:42
ogradad_: first on creating menu entrys: open the file manger (Computer->disks) and type ctrl-L02:42
ogradad_: in the popup type:  applications://02:42
Rene_Sogra, normally i would have used the available deb, but for some reason I could not make it work02:43
Rene_Sogra, thanks for the tip though I probably will do that now, just in case02:43
ogradad_: there you see your applications menu....if you rightclick now you have the opion to create a launcher or folder in the menu02:43
dad_ooh look lotsof colour02:43
dad_ok02:44
bonzaido u know a way to get g++ less strict ?02:44
bonzaii try to compile thread program02:44
dad_should i create a launcher?02:44
bob2bonzai: "less strict"?02:45
bonzaii mean i have written a code02:45
ogradad_: apps normally install their executables in /usr/bin if you installed a package that hasnt created a launcher, look in synaptic in the poackage deatiuls02:45
bonzaii compile it at school02:45
bonzaibut on my box i can't02:45
ograweird typing today....02:45
bonzaiso i would to configure g++02:45
melazyboybonzai: Welcome to the wonders of coding...02:46
bonzai:'(02:46
bob2bonzai: sounds like you need to fix your code02:46
bonzaiyes02:46
bonzaii try02:46
dad_can i go straight to/usr/bin?02:46
melazyboybonzai: check the version of GCC at school vs at home, as well as glibc, those tend to be the decisive factor in unix platform compatability02:46
bonzaibut i picked up basic example on the net02:47
bonzaibut i can't compile any of them02:47
ogradad_: you could go too....but i would use synaptic....for the start and look at the specific package you want a launcher for.....02:47
melazyboyie gcc 2.9x will not compile the same code gcc 3.x will compile and vise versa, thats why gentoo sucks, because half of its packages are for 2.9 other for 3.x and no telling if you will get a clean stable compile or not =D my opinion of coarse02:47
dad_i dont see any paths in synaptic when i look at installed package details just version02:48
melazyboybonzai, btw GCC isn't c++ its c, try g++02:48
mike8901melazyboy: this could be solved by having both gcc 2.9 and gcc 3.x on the system and designating which to use in the ebuild02:48
bonzaii tried g++02:48
bonzaibut the worst part is02:49
bonzaithat the code is for QNX02:49
bonzainot for linux02:49
bob2bonzai: maybe you should just paste the error to #flood instead of making vague comments about "errors"?02:49
bonzai:'(02:49
bonzaik02:49
melazyboymike8901: It _could_ be but its not, and probably won't ever happen, look at all of the shitty rpm distros still around when we have the pico and dbf pkg management systems...02:49
melazyboybonzai or erxz.com/pb02:49
jdubdudes02:49
ogradad_: hmmm, i have five tabs in the details....02:50
bonzai/tmp/ccTPz53M.o(.text+0x39): dans la fonction  main :02:50
bonzai: undefined reference to `pthread_create'02:50
bonzaithats a typicall error02:50
jdubdistro comparisons elsewhere please :)02:50
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dad_ah ok properties i see them02:50
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ogradad_: one is called installed files....02:50
dad_yes i see it02:51
melazyboyjdub: I don't see how its off topic,, if someone asks why i chose ubuntu over the other distros i state one of the biggest reasons is i'm fed of with RPMs...02:51
ogradad_: look for /usr/bin and you got the executable.....this one you can fill in the launcher (with /usr/bin)02:51
jdubmelazyboy: it's unnecessary here, there are lots of other places to talk about that stuff. thanks.02:52
dad_k02:52
KeyserSozehey fellas is there a netinstall for amd64?02:53
KeyserSozea mini.iso for adm6402:53
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jdubKeyserSoze: we don't have netinst images for any arch.02:53
jdubKeyserSoze: there are netboot images for tftp booting02:54
LinuxJonesNetinstalls are Awesome !!02:54
dad_right thanks a lot ogra02:54
ogra;)02:55
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dad_i installed systemutils but dont seem to be able to run it02:55
dad_the?02:55
dad_them?02:55
KeyserSozejdub: fabbione gave me a link for a mini.iso for i38602:56
Quest-Masterogra?02:56
KeyserSozewondering if there is one for adm6402:56
LinuxJonesKeyserSoze, a netinstall for Ubuntu ?02:56
jdubKeyserSoze: they're not official02:56
melazyboybtw here is a bug in hoary, after upgrading to hoary the link to evolution is changed on the applications menu in gnome but not on the top panel which will remain pointing to v.2.002:57
jdubmelazyboy: it's filed.02:57
KeyserSozehttp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso02:57
ograQuest-Master: ?02:57
KeyserSozethere we go02:57
KeyserSozejdub: that doesn't concern me02:57
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KeyserSozejust wanna get a base install02:57
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jdubKeyserSoze: use a netboot image, or download the CD and type 'custom' at the install prompt02:58
KeyserSozeI don't want to download the cd02:58
KeyserSozethats the whole point02:58
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gloin_where's yer tag...02:58
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KeyserSozemy tag?03:00
gloin_hmm03:00
gloin_!03:00
KeyserSozemy clan tag?03:00
gloin_let's just say there appears to be more than one KeyserSoze03:00
gloin_or you're on more than one irc network03:01
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Rene_SWow compiling gDesklets was a lot like work :(03:01
Quest-Masterogra, could you look at my fstab in #flood?03:02
dad_noone know how to start sysutils?03:03
dad_or alternatively is real player available for ubuntu?03:04
ogradad_: sysutils is a system package that is not for users ;)03:04
dad_no music is driving me nuts hehe03:04
ograQuest-Master: post it03:04
Quest-MasterIt's in #flood03:04
dad_oh i got it from synaptic it said a collection of little system monitoring apps03:04
LinuxJonesdad_, you have no sound at all ?03:05
dad_yes great sound thnks to you guys harmon kardon soundsticks  just no internet radio or bbc on real player03:05
LinuxJonesyikes03:05
dad_bbc is a time warp i can listen to all the reruns of shows when i was a kid03:06
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dad_ie pre ww203:06
dad_yikes!03:06
ograQuest-Master: its still the same....03:06
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mgoosehello all03:07
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LinuxJonesdad_, you can goto real and download their latest media player.03:07
mgoosecan somebody help me set up my DSL to work on ubuntu?03:07
Quest-MasterYeah, is that ok or does anything need to be changed?03:07
Quest-MasterI want it to be mounted at startup and be available to the users03:07
dad_i tried that linux but i couldnt get it installed due to my being a total klutz03:08
LinuxJonesmgoose, have you tried ppoeconf ?03:08
mgooseI have Verizon, but i dont see and DSL configuration packages around the menus03:08
mgooseand obviously no way to get them with apt03:08
mgoosedo I need to dl rp-ppoe?03:08
ograQuest-Master: it should be ok, but for cleanness you should add the two zeros like all the other lines have03:08
ogramgoose: pppoeconf03:09
dad_ill try again03:09
LinuxJonesdad_, you can just install it to your users directory, then adjust the file associations to point to the app in your home dir.03:09
mgooseok ty, and what would the command be once its installed?03:09
ogramgoose: pppoeconf :)03:09
mgooseheh excellent03:10
mgoosefigures :-/03:10
Quest-MasterOk03:10
mgoosethx again03:10
ogra:)03:10
ogracome back if you got issues... someone here will help :)03:10
mgoosesounds great :-)03:11
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dad_cannot execute binary file?03:14
mike8901is there any other linux distro that gives out cds like ubuntu does?03:14
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Gnobodyno03:15
Gnobodynot that I know of03:15
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mike8901:D03:16
dad_realplayer linux .bin file cannot execute binary file error LinuxJones03:16
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mike8901how much did it cost to ship it?03:16
mike8901from zurich to us03:16
Gnobodydad_ change the permissions on it03:17
Gnobodyright click it03:17
Gnobodyand check execute03:17
LinuxJonesdad_, you need to goto console and chmod 770 filename.bin03:17
Gnobodyor that03:17
stuNNedis there a .deb to set up realplayer 10?03:17
bigbubbawhat is a good window manager for a p3 450mhz computer i have heard of fluxbox and tried it but it seems very very minimal and i haven't a clue how to set it up to look right :( i can hardly read the font on it. if anyone is willing to help or point me to a website for reading on how to setup it up that would be great thanks03:17
GnobodyXFCE03:18
GnobodyXFCE pwnz03:18
Gnobodyespecially 4.203:18
dad_under the file props i have execute permissions?03:18
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LinuxJonesGnobody, 4.2 looks awesome03:18
dad_strange03:20
dad_what is the correct file extension for executable?03:21
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ogradad_: there is none..... you can use every file extension03:22
ogradad_: linux uses file _rights_03:22
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dad_ooook....well unfortunately i cant open realplayer bin at all03:23
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_|Imanewbie|_where can I find the description for using gbittorrent in ubuntu?03:23
dad_even after chmodding03:23
ogradad_: is it for linux ppc ?03:24
ultrakornehile_, there is someone unlucky like i am with a smart battery on his laptop?03:24
dad_yes it is03:24
dad_oh wait let me check03:24
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dad_perhaps not the download just says linux03:25
dad_excellent catch03:25
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ogradad_: have a look at streamtuner it knows a million radion stations....03:26
dad_oops following the yellowdog.com link still doesnt tell me if its ppc or not03:27
dad_yeah ? okie dokie03:27
ogradad_: and already has a menu entry  ;)03:27
ogradad_: if you install streamripper too, you are able to record :)03:28
dad_veeeery nice  hehe  works a treat03:29
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Matrix_anyone know the link for manually going thru ubuntu's pool03:31
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Matrix_to download an app say..03:32
Matrix_have it , its ok03:32
ograMatrix_: why dont you use synaptic ?03:32
_|Imanewbie|_does anyone here uses bittornado?03:32
Matrix_cause im in a net cafe and dont have inet access at home :)03:32
ogra_|Imanewbie|_: this one looks nice: http://www.sury.org/ubuntu/03:33
ograMatrix_: ah, understand... but if the package has dependencys it wont work to just install it03:34
ograoh....blind me03:34
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dad__ogra streamtuner is stunning03:35
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ogradad__: knew you would like it ;)03:36
dad__my soundsticks are sooooo loud   even at lowest system vol03:36
jindDoes anybody know of some good cd burning programs to gnome?03:36
dad__ubuntu is growing on me like a mould03:37
ograjind: nautilus burns data cds just fine......audio is lacking a bit03:37
jindNothing for audio?03:37
jindI need that03:37
jindI could always install k3b, but then I would not have a pure gnome system03:38
housetieras long as it works03:38
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ograjind: i started a little mp3 , ogg burner app, but its still very young and doenst work on all systems....03:39
jindDoes anybody know of a gnome cd burning project to come later on then?03:39
FSK405CAnyone been able to get Ubuntu running on Virtual PC on OS X?03:39
ograjind: there is coaster....but no audio yet03:39
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jindHmm, I guess k3b is my best bet03:39
georgiaFSK405C: why not just run the ppc version of it?03:40
ograjind: and rhythmbox will have audio burning in the next gnome release i heard03:40
ograjind: btw: next gnome release == next ubuntu release ;)03:40
_|Imanewbie|_Does anyone has a good film suggestion?03:40
Gnobodyis there anyway to speed up page loads in firefox?03:41
jindGnobody, get a faster internet line03:41
jind;)03:41
ograjind: regard this.... for k3b : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/03:42
GnobodyI have a 5MB line03:42
GnobodyI hardly think it is my line03:42
ograGnobody: double it :)03:42
jindogra, thanks mate :)03:43
ograGnobody: to prove it :)03:43
ograjind: but if you like to test, feel invited: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/03:43
jindI was looking for exactly that site03:43
mike8901haahahaha03:44
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mike8901<ion> today's my birthday03:44
mike8901<deMoN> yo happy bday man ;)03:44
mike8901<ion> thanks, my dad brought me a new case home from his work today03:44
mike8901<ion> ok, it's not a new case, it's my old one...i didnt like the gray metal frame so i wanted to change the color03:44
mike8901<plague> What color?03:44
mike8901<ion> gold. i was going to spray paint it, but it would have ended up melting. so my dad said he'd take it to work03:44
mike8901<ion> he works at this metal coating place03:44
mike8901<ion> just brought it home today. looks awesome03:44
mike8901<plague> So you have a gold plated tower?03:44
mike8901<ion> no it's not gold...something else...let me go ask03:44
mike8901<ion> copper. it's copper03:44
mike8901<plague> Copper plated?? Is it running right now?03:44
mike8901<ion> no dude...on my other pc..i just finished hooking up the mobo and stuff, i'm about to start it03:44
mike8901<ion> stand back03:44
mike8901<plague> Before you turn it on...I think you should know something...03:44
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mike8901<plague> Copper is a conductor of electricity.03:44
mike8901<deMoN> think we should have told him?03:44
mike8901<zeff> nah, it's funnier this way.03:44
mike8901<plague> of course...<>03:44
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jindogra, i have bookmarked it for later :)03:45
ogra:)03:45
jindFirst k3b, then perhaps i'll take a look at your project to see how it works :)03:46
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stuNNedso if running hoary is it safe to uninstall fam if using gamin?03:57
KeyserSozeanyone know whats up with the enlightenment package on hoary?03:59
dad__any espresso fiends here?03:59
KeyserSozecan't install it03:59
melazyboywtf is wrong with my damn comp every time hit ctrl+tab it opens 100 tabs in moz03:59
KeyserSozesays package is not available03:59
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dad__espresso machines are great04:01
dad__thanks for all the help bye bye for now04:03
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, you running hoary ?04:03
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melazyboyLinuxJones: Yes, i know i probably deserve it, but hoary was working fine 10min ago.04:03
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melazyboyand i haven't upgraded in 15min..04:04
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, muuaahhhhh :)04:04
melazyboyso why can't god just give me a little breather on this one04:04
melazyboybefore i give the computer some swimming lessons04:04
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, move back to warty it works fine :D04:04
melazyboyLinuxJones: Was expecting that...04:05
melazyboyLinuxJones: thats makes you predictable....04:05
melazyboyLinuxJones: And thats something hoary lacks.04:05
melazyboy=[04:05
LinuxJonesheh04:05
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, I had Hoary installed for about an hour, I feel ur pain :D04:05
melazyboyLinuxJones: Wow i found the problem04:06
melazyboyLinuxJones: And its interesting.04:06
LinuxJones??04:06
melazyboyLinuxJones: Aparently when i had 100 copies of totem running, the program randomly crashes because totem blows balls and it should never have made it into Hoary, and it some how interfered with the way moz captured keystrokes, i hit alt+tab once and got 122 tabs04:07
LinuxJoneslol04:07
LinuxJonesapt-get --purge remove totem :)04:08
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melazyboywhat exactly does purge do that remove doesn't?04:09
Arrrrhello04:09
melazyboythat kills all *totem* packages rather than just totem04:09
vera1removes all the config files and directoryies04:09
Arrrrhas anyone successfully compile nvu in ubuntu?04:09
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, it deletes config files etc...04:09
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, total removal04:09
Quest-Masterogra: It mounts my Windows partition perfectly, but only su can still access it04:10
melazyboysee if i do that it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop04:10
cefremoves the program and all related data, like config files, data files (sometimes asked about at install time), etc04:10
melazyboywhich probably isn't a good idea04:10
Quest-MasterIn the options in fstab, shouldn't "user" allow users to access the mount?04:10
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, that's ok it's just a metapackage04:10
melazyboyLinuxJones: What if in the future they add more packages to ubuntu-desktop04:11
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egon_spenglerQuest-Master, Try umask0000 instead04:11
melazyboyapt-get dist-upgrade won't receive them.. because it removed the distro encapsulating package?04:11
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, it will probably want to re-install it but, hopefully Hoary will be stable by then :D04:12
Quest-MasterInside the options?04:12
melazyboyLinuxJones: I would think otherwise,,, my idea on it is because ubuntu-desktop requires totem, it will remove the meta package totem, and you will have to specify to get the newer ubuntu-desktop, rather than running a dist-upgrade command for a full upgrade04:13
egon_spenglerTry /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs,umask0000 0 004:13
melazyboyerr remove ubuntu-desktop04:13
LinuxJonesmelazyboy, I was joking, when you run unstable distros you have to sometimes put up with problems04:14
Quest-Master/dev/hda2       /mnt            vfat    rw,umask000004:14
Quest-MasterAnd then a 0    0 after it04:14
Quest-MasterOn the next line04:14
Quest-MasterIs that correct?04:14
melazyboyQuest-Master: ... shoulen't the command in fstab be a simple users,rw04:14
cefLinuxJones: yeah, like not being able to boot.. *sigh*04:14
LinuxJonescef, ?04:14
Quest-MasterOh, users instead of user, hehe04:14
Quest-MasterLet's see if it works now04:14
melazyboy/dev/hda2 /mnt ntfs rw,users04:14
Quest-Masterbrb04:14
LinuxJonescef, you upgraded and now can't boot ?04:15
cefLinuxJones: when I upgraded a box recently to hoary, the machine lost it's kernel04:15
cefI was actually thinking about reinstalling it recently anyway04:15
cefwanted to use lvm04:15
cefbut I was going to wait till the install cd's arrived..04:15
LinuxJonescef, stick with Warty it has LVM04:15
gsonis there anyway to convert an ntfs filesystem to an ext2/ext3 filesystem without destroying all the current data on it?04:16
melazyboyI regret upgrading to hoary, i jsut don't care enough to switch back04:16
LinuxJonescef, LVM is on by default for me not that I use it :D04:16
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cefLinuxJones: nah I was just trying out hoary for other reasons.. hence why I'm not worried.. just upgrading stuff and finding the kernel isn't there anymore is no fun04:16
georgiagson: not as far as i know.04:16
gsonk, fuck:/04:16
melazyboygson, only with a temporary partition, tpmfs, or another intermediary partition04:16
gsonjupp04:16
_|Imanewbie|_hum...04:16
LinuxJonesgson, no you will have to move your data then convert the partition to ext3 then move the data back. afaik04:17
gsonno good then:)04:17
cefLinuxJones: grub had 2 entries for the kernel, neither actually could find a kernel on disk04:17
melazyboygson well you could make a script that does it,,,, i imagine it would take a very very long time though04:17
gsonheh yepp:)04:17
gsonheh tnx anyway:)04:17
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LinuxJonescef, have you looked @ the ubuntu lists this is a known problem I seem to recall04:18
Quest-MasterNope, same thing04:18
melazyboymove 1gig to tpmfs, resize ntfs 1gig smaller, new partition 1gig, move data from tmpfs restart04:18
Quest-Master/dev/hda2       /mnt            vfat    rw,users04:18
LinuxJonescef, there might be a work around somewhere04:18
cefLinuxJones: yeah.. I know how to fix it.. but I was planning on reformatting the machine anyway04:18
cefLinuxJones: ie: going to lvm.. just sort of pointing out to people to be careful before rebooting04:18
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alka_trashanyone using bmp?04:19
Quest-MasterMe.04:19
LinuxJonescef, it's usually less work to re-install than to fix stuff in development releases :)04:19
coastiecould i get some help setting up a ppp connection?04:19
alka_trashanyone want a deb for playing wma files?04:19
ironwolfcoastie: sudo pppconfig04:19
alka_trashI just built it using hoary04:19
alka_trashworks well here04:19
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Quest-MasterCan I just put the umask0000 inside the options?04:20
Quest-Masterrw,umask000004:20
LinuxJonesalka_trash, wma is trash use .ogg04:20
coastieironwolf: sweet thanks....is there something in that so that i can specify my modem?04:20
ironwolfcoastie: I believe so.04:20
alka_trashLinuxJones: I agree, but I have some old rips in wma04:20
coastieok thanks...getting ready to do the install.04:20
alka_trashand I always run into web sh!t that uses that format04:21
LinuxJonesalka_trash, I think you can convert them but not without some quality loss :(04:21
alka_trashhmm04:21
Quest-MasterAnyone? ;-;04:21
alka_trashokay04:21
melazyboyQuest-Master: man fstab|grep user04:21
Quest-MasterReformatting fstab(5), please wait...04:22
Quest-Master       boot time), ``user'' (allow a user  to  mount),  and  ``owner''  (allow04:22
melazyboyright...04:23
melazyboythe comand 'user' as an option will allow users to mount the filesystem04:23
melazyboynow do the same thing and grep for umask.04:23
Quest-Masterman umask|grep umask?04:23
melazyboyright04:23
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melazyboyit's not a trick excercise04:24
melazyboyit shoulden't find anything04:24
melazyboyand for a good reason, its not option (not one i have ever seen if it is)04:24
melazyboyQuest-Master: I believe the fstab file differs from 2.4.x to 2.6.x the format for mine would be the following04:25
Quest-MasterOk, what I want to do is let the Windows partition be mounted at startup automatically with users being able to view/execute/edit files in it04:25
melazyboy/dev/hdb1 /mnt/win vfat user,rw 0 004:25
Quest-MasterSo, would /dev/hda2       /mnt            vfat    rw,umask1000 do it?04:26
Quest-MasterHmm04:26
melazyboyno04:26
Quest-MasterI tried rw,user and rw,users and it still didn't work. :\04:26
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melazyboya) don't use mnt it has other files in it, might not work at all04:26
melazyboytry this Quest-Master04:26
Quest-MasterOk04:26
melazyboy/dev/hda2 /mnt/win vfat rw,users,auto04:26
melazyboyerr04:26
melazyboy/dev/hda2 /mnt/win vfat rw,users,auto 0 004:26
melazyboythere we go04:26
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melazyboy=D04:26
melazyboynow make a folder 'win' in /mnt04:27
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melazyboycd /mnt; mkdir win04:27
mgoosehello again guys04:27
Quest-MasterOk04:27
ironwolfsup mgoose?04:27
mgooselol, what are the chances, looks like i arrived right on time!04:27
Quest-MasterCould you join #flood and tell me if my fstab file is correct then?04:27
mgoosei was gonna ask how i mount a fat32 part04:27
melazyboyQuest-Master: One sec04:27
melazyboyQuest-Master: I fucked up04:28
melazyboyQuest-Master: Take out that auto, its default =/04:28
melazyboyyea ill join #flood04:28
mgooseit seems ide support is not in the kernel? i /dev/hda1 shows file not found04:28
ironwolfmgoose: one time use?04:28
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bonzaiwhat can i use to unrar a file ?04:28
bonzaii can't apt unrar04:28
mgoosenope, want to add to fstab, ironwolf04:28
cefbonzai: not in universe?04:28
melazyboymgoose: Thats because its not mounted mgoose, its the location of the harddrive04:29
bonzaicef, no04:29
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mgooseyep, trying to do "mount /dev/hda1 /media/D" fails04:29
cefbonzai: hrm. that needs to be fixed then04:29
melazyboymgoose, create a folder /mnt/drive and type 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/drive'04:29
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bonzaiAucune version du paquet unrar n'est disponible, mais il existe dans la base04:30
bonzaide donnes. Cela signifie en gnral que le paquet est manquant, qu'il est devenu obsolte04:30
bonzaiou qu'il n'est disponible que sur une autre source04:30
bonzaiok04:30
bonzaia in english04:30
cefbonzai: really should be in main imho.. simply because it gets used by mail scanners like amavisd-new on servers04:30
ZugwrackI am looking for information on who to contact regarding Ubuntu PPC development...04:30
LinuxJonesmgoose, >> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#gettingstarted     see >> Windows << section04:30
cefbonzai: you could download rar from the rar people. they have a linux version.. binary only I'm afraid04:30
bonzaiok thx i'll chack that04:31
mgoosethanks, LinuxJones04:31
LinuxJones:)04:31
s0cksHow is Hoary coming along?04:31
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LinuxJoness0cks, it is not very stable for some :D04:31
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ironwolfs0cks: it's coming well. :)04:31
Zugwrackogra: You around?04:31
ironwolfs0cks: for some... for others not so much I guess. :)04:32
s0cksIt will be plenty stable when it is released04:32
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LinuxJones:D04:32
s0cksSorry I can't be helping at the moment. Kinda busy with alot of other projects.04:32
linux_galorejust tested the ubuntu live CD on my Intel 820 chipset based system works great04:33
s0cksI want my CDs to hurry up and get here.04:33
linux_galoreheh heh got mine04:33
smogave most of mine away already :/04:33
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Hikaru79I'm trying to install the 'cpdvd' package in Synaptic and I'm getting the following error:04:33
Hikaru79cpdvd:04:33
Hikaru79 Depends: transcode but it is not installable04:33
linux_galorewell I finally got my PPC version of Ubuntu thats turning over as we speak04:34
LinuxJoneslinux_galore, you have to install it right NOW :D04:34
Hikaru79Is 'transcode' something I need to manually find and install?04:34
s0cksI need to figure out a way to pad the armrests on my computer chair.04:35
smoHikaru79: It's in the marilliat repositor .. see the wiki page for encumbered packages.  ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats )04:35
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Hikaru79I see =)04:35
linux_galores0cks: there is a plastic thing you can buy that sits under your keyboard and has these padded arm rests that come out to the left and right of you04:36
mgoosehey LinuxJones,that website had just general info04:36
mgooseI think I have a more advanced problem as in /dev/hda1 is not there at all04:36
linux_galores0cks: looks like a 1/3 moon04:36
mgoosemaybe i installed the wrong kernel or the proper modules arent being loaded? but i just chose the default options, should be fine04:36
LinuxJonesmgoose, do you have more than 1 hard drive ?04:36
mgooseyes, a IDE and an SATA04:37
linux_galores0cks: make one yourself easy out of some wood04:37
LinuxJonesmgoose, which one is the windows partition , the sata ?04:37
mgoosemy IDE is completely Fat3204:37
mgoosenope, its the IDE04:37
LinuxJonesmgoose, ok 1 partition  or more ?04:37
mgoose1 partition only04:38
mgooseas far as my drives go, in /dev i only seem to see hdc, hdd, and my sata ones04:38
mgoosehdc and hdd are my cdrw/dvd drives04:38
s0cksFixed it04:38
s0cksWith a metal file04:38
Hikaru79OK, so I added the marilliat repository, but now when trying to add the transcode package, i'm missing THESE dependencies:04:38
Hikaru79transcode:04:38
Hikaru79 Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 but it is not installable04:38
Hikaru79  Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed04:38
Hikaru79 Depends: libquicktime1 but it is not going to be installed04:38
s0cksThere were lil sharp things where my cats claws messed it up04:38
LinuxJonesok replace /dev/hda with /dev/hdb on that site I gave you earlier04:39
mgooseok let me see here04:39
mgoose"special device /dev/hdb does not exist"04:40
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linux_galorefinnished reboot time lets see if i can get this laptop running Ubuntu04:41
LinuxJonesmgoose, sorry you have sata I don't know (where/what) that does to naming conventions, I drank too many beer :) Come back tomorrow a.m. I will try to help out :D04:42
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s0cksBusy computer night04:42
s0cksLuckily I have two days before school04:43
mgooseheh ok :)04:43
mgoosebtw, the drive im trying to mount is a fat3204:43
mgooseindeed you must have drank a lil too much :-P04:43
bigbubbaquestion: what is a fairly simply lightweight desktop for a newbie to configure? i have a p3 450mhz  i have looked at fluxbox but its confusing to me :(04:44
mgoosetry xfce04:45
mgooseim not sure how well it will run on your configuration04:46
bigbubbawill gnome seems to just be mamking my system run slow04:46
FSK405Cgeorgia: Cuz ppc linux doesn't support x86 binaries ;)04:46
mgoosebut its reported as being a good mix between being reponsive and easy to use04:46
mgooseyea gnome is slowwwwwww :)04:46
bigbubbafluxbox looks cool but i haven't the slightest idea how to configure it correctly even after trying to understand the documentation04:47
mgoosei didnt even check out the docs04:47
bigbubbai'm gonna go look at it now04:47
bigbubbathanks04:47
mgooseive seen some very cool screenies using flux and the startup time is like 1 second04:47
mgoosebut eh :-/ dont wanna configure it04:47
mgooselol04:47
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mgoosehey bigbubba04:48
bigbubbawell its not that i don't wanan configure it its more of i'm not sure how to i'm having to damn get my grandpa's glasses to even read the screen04:48
bigbubbathe font is so small04:48
bigbubbayes mgoose?04:48
mgoosehttp://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 may be a good place to start04:49
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mgoosethe commands on there worked for me just fine, no probs whatsoever04:49
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bigbubbaaww so it is for debian good deal04:49
bigbubbaso your using it?04:49
mgooseas we speak :)04:49
AlJ2Anyone here running ubuntu on a < 500mhz processor?04:49
bigbubbaok gonan go see if i can do the same04:49
bigbubbayou gonan be around if i run into trouble?04:50
mgooseyep yep, good luck04:50
mgoosesure, though ill run if you have major problems :P04:50
bigbubbahaha04:50
bonzaianyone playing Warcraft III on ubuntu ?04:50
bigbubbano biggy i'm totally new to linux but learning alot04:50
bigbubbareading tons of documents and amazed at what it can do04:50
mgooseah same here, same here04:50
mgoosethough ive been lazy about reading the docs mostly04:51
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calamarihi04:51
mgoosehey calamari04:51
AlJ2hey calamari04:51
sivangany body knows how to fix a bad pam error? su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.04:51
sivangSorry.04:51
calamarihi mgoose04:51
bigbubbawell i dn't know me i look at them and read and read and go damn this sucks haha but brb let me get on my linux box and look at this xfc04:51
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FSK405CSo anybody got some tips on dealing with the x11 display issues when using Ubuntu in VPC on PPC/OS X?04:51
AlJ2Anyone here running ubuntu on a < 500mhz processor?04:52
mgoosenope, AlJ204:52
FSK405CI would be running on a less than 500 mhz emulated processor ... well I am but having nasty display issues.04:52
calamariI did make one mistake during setup.. when making my user account I told it the username twice instead of typing my real name.  Can I fix that?04:52
mgoosewhy do you have any trouble with it specifically04:52
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FSK405CI have a friend who recommended it for slow processors though - said he was running it on a few 200mhz p2s or some such.04:53
mgoosecalamari: yes, problably in users option04:53
AlJ2500mhz maybe too slow for ubuntu.04:53
FSK405Cor is that 300 mhz...gah like I could remember.04:53
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mgoosethough I dont know quite where it is04:53
bonzaiis there a way to support NTFS partition without recompile the kerne ?04:53
AlJ2Or maybe its just my ram.04:53
mgoosebonzai: are you using the default kernel?04:53
FSK405Calj2: Not according to my friend - might be your ram. I've had positive reports of ubuntu running on ancient hardware :)04:53
linux_galoreok had to play with x a bit but now my iBook M9627 is running Ubuntu04:53
mgoosemines installed fine with ntfs support04:53
bonzaimgoose, yes04:53
calamarimgoose: you're right, thanks :)04:53
mgooseyep, np04:54
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mgoosebonzai: should just work04:54
FSK405Clinux: PPC or emulated x86?04:54
FSK405Clinux_galore, even.04:54
mgooseyou just dont know what to do to use it?04:54
linux_galoreFSK405C: PPC04:54
AlJ2must be my ram. Only 64 mb. :-(04:54
bonzaii try to add the entry in fstab04:54
FSK405Cgahhh04:54
linux_galoreFSK405C: I put in a new hardisk04:54
bonzaiand i have the maessage04:55
bonzaiNTFS not supported by the kernel04:55
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FSK405Clinux_galore: Sounds like good fun. Never messed with drives in a power book.04:55
linux_galorebonzai: you need to grab a nice GTK based app called Captive.......dont need the kernel to have NTFS support captive does all the work for you even has a nice UI graphical setup tool04:56
mgooseCaptive is if you want write priveledges04:56
linux_galoremgoose: write and read04:56
bonzailinux_galore, thx04:56
mgoosethe default kernel should be able to read it just fine, i thought thats what you meant?04:56
mgooseooh ok nvm then04:56
bonzaii ll take a look04:56
snerfuI have a laptop and the cd drive has seen some abuse, I can boot up to the installer but when I am installing the base system it errors out, I have tried 3 different CD's. How can I get it to install base from the network?04:56
bonzaiyes i just want to read04:57
FSK405CSo no takers for help with display issues on ubuntu in VPC under OS X, hrmmm?04:57
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ilmarid04:57
snerfuThere is something about a network install on the wiki, but its from a tftp boot.04:57
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linux_galorecould you use the Debian 3 x floppy network install floppies and just point it at the ubuntu server I wonder04:58
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mgooselinux_galore that would be pretty cool05:00
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linux_galoreman Ubuntu is cool on a iBook...Im downloading some more themes05:00
FSK405Cit'd be better on a desktop G4 under vpc :P j/k05:00
calamariit possible to put the Computer menu inside the Applications Menu, then Rename the Applications menu to ""05:01
linux_galoreati driver though is a bit sucky05:01
calamarinever mind, found the convenient help05:01
calamariI'll try it first :)05:02
linux_galorehmm see if I can find a comerical ATi driver05:02
mgooseon the ubuntu repo?05:03
mgoosecan you let me know if you find it and its relatively easy to install05:03
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linux_galoremgoose: there is comercial on on the repo....hmm better power up synaptic05:04
linux_galoreack  so many packages so little time05:04
mgoosealright, will look05:04
mgooseall i have to do is install it and 3d should work?05:04
calamariis there a way to increase my monitor refresh rate past 75Hz?  I know the monitor is capable of it05:07
calamariI don't mind editing a config file if necessary05:07
s0cksNot with Ubuntu I think. Alot of people are complaining about that05:08
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mgoosecalamari, might like to try checking out "sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"05:08
mgoosehmm i wonder if thats the right file on ubuntu05:09
FSK405Cyep05:09
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FSK405Cits in there05:09
mgooseoh ok05:09
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palleis there a way that i share my internet connection to a computer on my network running windows?05:09
mkyc-ubuntuyes05:09
calamarimgoose: thanks again, I'll check that out05:09
palleyou know how?05:09
FSK405Cbut of course :)05:09
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mgooseno problem05:10
palleis there a way that i share my internet connection to a computer on my network running windows? any1 that can tell me how to do or where i can read about it?05:11
calamaripalle: no need to repeat.. if someone knows they help.. these ppl are great05:11
FSK405Clooking for linkage palle - I've not done that under ubuntu myself05:11
palleare here any professionals in here?05:12
mgoosenot me!05:13
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ironwolfpalle: it's possible, and it's been done before, but it's ugly.05:14
palleohh, it's so hard?05:15
smoI guess it depends if which machine is hosting the net connection? the windows one or the ubuntu one?05:15
gsonjiyuu0|work bah you will hate naruto 110-111 :D05:15
pallethe ubuntu05:15
pallebut i guess i could change to the windows one to if it's impossible otherwise...05:16
ironwolfpalle: I only know 1 person who's made it work.... lamont you around?05:16
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pallecan't you ask him how to do?05:16
lamontpalle: actually, it's pretty trivial...05:17
pallewhat does trivial mean?05:17
lamontalthough I wind up debugging it into existance everytime I need to do it...05:17
smoI can't remember where the option is to enable ip_forward by default .. but iirc that's all it really needs05:17
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lamont(1) configure the second interface05:17
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lamont(2) configure the ubuntu box (iptables) to NAT all traffic originating from the windoze box05:18
snerfuip_forwarding05:18
lamont(3) turn on ip forwarding (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward)05:18
lamontsimple. :-)05:18
gson;)05:18
lamontlet me go dig up some commands for step 205:18
snerfutake a look at netfilter.org they have howtos for that05:19
FSK405Caha05:19
smofor 3, in /etc/network/options .. changing it to ip_forward=yes   will do the ip_forward line on boot05:19
FSK405Csame trick that works for vpc under windows works for vpc under os x...05:19
FSK405Codd though...redhat and ubuntu both choke on the vpc setup while suse handles it fine...hrmmm...now Im getting curious05:20
lamontpalle: do you have a static or dynamic IP for the ubuntu box?05:20
palledynamic05:20
palleis that a problem?05:20
lamonteasiest thing is to whack google with something like 'iptables MASQUERADE howto'05:20
lamontnah05:20
gsonhehe lamont do you know the standard ports that dcc uses?05:21
lamonthttp://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/05:21
palleDownloads05:21
palleiptables-1.2.1105:21
lamontgson: no clue05:21
gsonhehe....thats what i though, its fkn hard to get right:D05:21
lamontI know that my firewall blocks it though.. :)05:21
gsonheh yepp05:21
pallewhat is ip-masquerade? what does it mean?05:21
FSK405Cit varies, gson05:22
lamonthttp://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ipmasq-background2.1.html05:22
lamont:-)05:22
FSK405Cusually its a specified port range05:22
gsonFSK405C k, what do you use?05:22
gsonso i can check i out05:22
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FSK405Cgson: Under XChat I just use default settings whatever those happen to be...but hold up...I think one client I use to use...had a static set of ports that I opened on my fw05:23
Rene_Smplayer needs multiverse enabled to run ?05:23
Xenguypalle: I used 'shorewall' firewall to set up masquerading/nat -- and I got a firewall out of the deal too ;-)05:23
gsonnice FSK405C would be nice if you can look it up05:23
lamontpalle: basically, you munge all the outbound packets from the windoze box to have the source IP of your ubuntu box's external interface, on some (semi) random port.  The kernel tracks the mapping back to the windoze address, and fixes things back up on the return packets05:23
lamontmind you, doing that with an actual firewall on the machine used to be much more difficult before iptables.05:23
Rene_Serr not run, install rather.05:23
FSK405CIm looking, gson05:23
gsongoodie FSK405C :)05:24
palleokay05:24
ironwolfthank you lamont :)05:24
jindDoes anybody here know where I can find a mplayerplug-in package to ubuntu?05:24
mgoosewhat sources do i need to install mplayer in ubuntu?05:24
lamontpalle: if you still haven't figured it out in a week or so, poke me... I have to configure NAT on my firewall for a machine here anyway05:24
FSK405C2070-2075 is the range commonly used in ~gags~ mirc05:24
palleokay thnx for the help!05:25
lamontmgoose: mplayer source is in multiverse.05:25
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: cant you simple -> #apt-get mplayer? Worked fine here05:25
jindmgoose, alle mplayer stuff is found at the mplayer homepage: www.mplayerhq.hu05:25
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: apt-get install mplayer I mean05:25
gsonFSK405C k, ill test it05:25
lamonthoary mplayer "just works".  warty mplayer (i386) "just works", for values of i386 == p405:25
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mgooseeh? no mplayer doesnt seem to be in the package store for me05:26
vera1have to add the nerim repository05:26
jindI didn't find mplayer in the ubuntu repositums either05:26
vera1check the wiki on ubuntu.org05:26
jindI downloaded and compiled from spurce05:27
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: go to your sources.lst and uncomment the universe mirrors05:27
mgooseah ic, vera105:27
jindsource05:27
mgooseok ty05:27
mgoosei think i uncommented everything aldready but will dbl check05:27
vera1get the win32codecs as well05:27
lamont_|Imanewbie|_: it's not in universe, it's in multiverse05:27
Rene_STurns out mplayer will install k7 if you use the marillat testing repo05:27
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: But he can get that from apt just uncommenting that lines right?05:28
lamontonly if he adds 'multiverse' after 'universe'05:28
gsonbah doesnt work:/05:28
gsonFSK405C :/05:28
sivangpalle : you needed help with firewalling/NAT ?05:29
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: where is source.lst placed?05:29
zenwhen_/etc/apt/05:29
sivang_|Imanewbie|_ : /etc/apt/05:29
_|Imanewbie|_is it "safe" to add multiuniverse?05:29
_|Imanewbie|_sivang: thx05:29
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palleyeah i wanted to be able to share my internet connection with a computer running windows05:29
mgooseno probably not, since its evidently called multiverse05:29
sivangpalle : ah! this is just superb, linux is wonderful for this05:29
mgoosemultiuniverse will probably cause cosmic chaos05:29
mgoose:)05:30
sivangpalle : and ubuntu is of no exception :)05:30
palleohh05:30
palleokay, sounds great =)05:30
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: can a black hole get me in multy universe? =p05:30
sivangpalle : I will send you a link to something very nice, basically this is a script that want a machine with 2 network cards.05:30
palleokay05:30
pallethat's whatigot05:31
sivangpalle : one nic connected to the outside world, the other to your internal lan or another machine.05:31
gsonwhats the command to see what ports thats enable and thats open05:31
Xenguysivang: what is the script name?05:31
jindlamont, thanks for the "add multiverse after universe" tip :-)05:31
gsonnetstat ?05:31
mgooselol _|Imanewbie|_05:31
lamontjind: np05:31
pallethat's exactly howi got it...05:31
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Adrenalon default install05:31
Adrenalwhere is gaim.pc located?05:31
lamont_|Imanewbie|_: ever read much Heinlein?05:32
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: Nope, why?05:32
lamontmultiverse is a term coined in Heinlein's _Number of the Beast_05:32
pallebut how can u send the script?05:32
sivangpalle : http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=2305:32
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: I like kafka, dostoieviski and all this feel happy authors05:33
lamontheh05:33
sivangXenguy : http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=2305:33
lamontsci-fi is much better for you, of course. :-)05:33
Xenguysivang: tx05:33
_|Imanewbie|_I'm going multiverse better take care with the space debris too05:33
palleokay05:33
Adrenalwhere is gaim.pc?05:33
lamontdpkg -S gaim.pc05:34
lamontdpkg: *gaim.pc* not found.05:34
mgooseoh dag nammit i installed mplayer but nothing seeems to open05:34
sivangpalle : this is a very basic script to set up a firewall and a frwarding machine that enables a local lan connected through i.e. a hub to one of the nics to use the net within NAT05:34
gsonhm how do i see which port thats enable and open?05:34
Adrenallamont: then how do i isntall plugins?05:34
lamontAdrenal: what is gaim.pc?05:34
sivangpalle : I use this to run my router, a 100mhz old machine and it's rocking. :)05:34
Adrenalwhen i try to install the guifications plugin05:34
Xenguysivang: have you heard of 'shorewall' ?05:34
palleokay =)05:34
lamontI go to Tools->Preferences->Plugins05:34
Adrenalit says i need to find it05:34
Adrenalbut new plugins05:35
Adrenalones i'vd downloaded05:35
bonzaican someone help me to launch Warcraft III ?05:35
pallebut how do i set up the windows computer05:35
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lamontAdrenal: looks like the gaim plugins are in /usr/lib/gaim05:36
sivangXenguy : no, just looked it up in google, looks nice05:36
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_|Imanewbie|_this week I will try to install gentoo, so I must uninstall a OS toget more space, well bye bye windows \o05:36
Adrenalah cheers05:36
Xenguysivang: I'm not sure how it compares, but it may be a bit more comprehensive as a firewall (just my gut feeling tho)05:36
mgooseforget gentoo man, try arch05:37
lamont_|Imanewbie|_: life is too short to compile everything, and hand root to all the web sites hosting software you use...05:37
mgooseyou wont need to spend your life compiling stuff05:37
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: arch?05:37
mgooseyep, Arch Linux05:37
mgoosewww.archlinux.org i think05:37
sivangXenguy : well, the script from that link I gave if pretty small, and does the job (I tested the firewall from the outside as well) but feel free to use whatever suits you :)05:37
mgooseeasier to install too, from what it seems05:37
mgoose(ive installed Arch but not Gentoo)05:37
Xenguysivang: yeah, exactly, it's whatever works, agreed :-)05:38
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_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: has all that optimization stuff they claim to have?05:38
mgooseyep, runs well05:39
mgoosesupport is also pretty good05:39
gsonhow do i kill a windows comp in my network?:)05:40
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: Ive tried debian -> crep installer damm boring to configure, slackware-> good installer and crep maintence, ubuntu-> cool installer, good packges, fast install and I dont feel to be using a "fake" distro05:40
lamontgson: coke in the powersupply has always worked for me...05:40
mgooseoh Arch is very real, i assure you05:40
housetiercan someone confirm that the micromaxx usb/web cam is working in ubuntu? it has an STV0680B-001 chip05:41
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: anyway I will try gentoo first, even if it is just to say it sucks05:41
mgooseand its developers dont "not believe in automatic package dependencies" as I think Slacks maintainer said05:41
mgoosewell its up to you, but id try Arch first and save a few days of your life :-P05:41
mgoosei think i printed the gentoo install manual...... all 102 pages of it05:42
mgoosehaha05:42
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mgoosebut if that floats your boat, go for it05:42
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lamontinventor of k-rations dead nov 20 at age 100...05:42
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: I'm young I will "waste" some time with gentoo before =)05:42
tvon|x31102 pages? its pretty short IIRC05:42
mgooseheh alllllrighty but remember i warned ya05:42
tvon|x31was when I used gentoo05:43
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zenwhenI tried Gentoo, and found it to be the crashiest Linux I had tried. I tried Fedora, and found it to be the bloatiest Linux I had tried. I used slackware for a very long time and it was perfect, but not easy. Ubuntu is a shiny Debian, and I love it.05:43
zenwhenSlackware will teach you how to *use linux*.05:43
mgooseI am trying to decide btw Ubuntu/Mepis/Kanotix/Arch05:43
mgoosezenwhen: Arch does the same05:43
gsonlamont hehehe:)05:43
Tsjoklathey zenwhen05:43
zenwhenWhen there is not package for a program you want, and there are no instructions, you will know what to do after having run slack.05:44
kensaimgoose, mepis is broken05:44
zenwhenArch has pacman.05:44
_|Imanewbie|_zenwhen: Yeah, but keep in mind Im in university and sometimes I need to install a mystical software I cant waste time solving dependiencies and stuff on scratch05:44
kensaimgoose, stay away from mepis05:44
zenwhenIm not saying its easiest.05:44
mgooseI am glad I gave Ubuntu a 3rd try, sorta05:44
Tsjoklatzenwhen, you got realplayer?05:44
zenwhenOr that its the best,05:44
mgoosekensai: too late, heh05:44
zenwhenIm just saying it teaches you.05:44
lamontmgoose: what happened on try 1 and 2???05:44
mgooseits actually worked pretty well in my experience05:44
zenwhenTsjoklat, yes.05:45
mgoosewell I found it quite boring the first and second times05:45
zenwhenI got the binary from realplayer.com.05:45
kensaimgoose, also live cds installed to hdd makes the worst desktop ;)05:45
zenwhenIt installed fine.05:45
Tsjoklatzenwhen did you use the bin or the rpm?05:45
zenwhenbin05:45
gsonFSK405C how did you get your dcc work?..05:45
mgooseit didnt configure my network, and i dont like gnome much05:45
gsonbig prob here:)05:45
mgoosebut then i dug it up and tried it again, and even though it doesnt seem to use any special options its pretty responsive05:45
FSK405Cgson: Which client and which platform? For the record - sometimes it just doesn't work eg the problem is on "their" end...05:46
zenwhenTsjoklat, did you have issues with the bin?05:46
mgooseI still don't like the default package selection much05:46
lamontmgoose: the vast majority of the time in a process is spent not using mmx instructions05:46
mgoosedoesnt even come with xmms, to my knowledge05:46
zenwhenI think Ubuntu comes default as a very useable Desktop OS.05:46
gsonye but its not on "their" end, so its prob with my comp heh05:46
FSK405Cif real is the best commercial media player available apple needs to revive qt for java :)05:46
lamontso -mcpu=686 helps on some apps, but generally doesn't do much for you in a typical user's world05:46
Tsjoklatzenwhen no I am on the d/l page... not sure which/what to d/l.... after it finishes do I follow the install instructions in synaptic?05:46
mgooseah ic05:47
FSK405Cgson: What client are you using?05:47
zenwhenTsjoklat, no. You chmod it +x and then run it with "./filename"05:47
lamontmgoose: xmms is in main, dunno if it's in the seed or not.05:47
_|Imanewbie|_just a point about gentoo giving root access to sites, well doesnt debian and even ubuntu do the samething?05:47
lamontmgoose: not seeded - you have to install it if you want it.05:47
zenwhenIt will guide you through the rest. You should sudo to install it.05:47
mgoosewell yea it was easy enough to apt-get it but its sorta wierd that they dont install it by default05:47
TsjoklatPlease visit http://scopes.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html Select 'Linux 2.x (libc6 i386) RPM'. Download it, and ensure permissions are appropriate. It should be called rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm. When prompted, enter the directory you downloaded it to (defaults to /root).05:47
lamontalthough the cd player that is installed seems to do pretty welll.05:47
Tsjoklatzenwhen chmod to what? 755?05:48
FSK405Cmakes me so sad to see all this chat about other distros...and no mention of BSD...*cries*05:48
zenwhenchmod +x would work05:48
gsonfack..05:48
zenwhenjust to make it executable05:48
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: we are talking about linux, BSD is NOT linux =)05:48
mgooseim also disturbed by the fact that my IDE drive doesnt work out of the box.... I havent had a problem with it on ANY other distro05:48
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Tsjoklatzenwhen... keyword: should? :)05:49
lamontmgoose: ???05:49
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: wich distro?05:49
mgooseI still have to figure out how to make it work...05:49
lamontmgoose: my machine is ide-only05:49
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mgooseUbuntu05:49
zenwhenTsjoklat, what? :)05:49
lamontmgoose: what controller, etc?05:49
mgoosecontroller? it plugs right in my mobo05:49
lamontand lspci shows what ide controller?05:50
mgooseand its a seagate 160gb05:50
Tsjoklatzenwhen you said: chmod +x would work... I was trying to be 'funny'05:50
lamonte.g.: 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  5513 [IDE] 05:50
mgoose IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT82 3x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)05:50
zenwhenTsjoklat, oh sorry. ;-;05:50
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: wich problem are you facing? the only "problem" I had with ubuntu is that I had to edit my fstab all manually, the first install was unable to find the other partitions05:51
mgoose^ I had the same problem05:51
lamont0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)05:51
mgoosebut thats not difficult, though when /dev/hda1 isnt there I start to get worried05:51
mgooselol05:51
lamontthat's on the machine that my 9 year old installed yesterday.05:51
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: lol05:51
FSK405Cnewbie: Yah, right, I'm aware of that but they do share a common heritage.05:52
mgooselamont: thanks but how does that help me05:52
mgooselol05:52
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: what do you mean?05:52
calamariwhen I drag a window around it leaves trails, is that on purpose?  If is it, can I remove the trails?05:52
Tsjoklatargh only two hours until the bin is finished ... yah!05:52
mgooseits probably a slower machine/graphics card, calamari05:52
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=== gloin has kicked FSK405C in the shins!
mike8901mmmmmmmmmmmmm calamari ghaahaaaaa05:53
lamontmgoose: I expect that 'fdisk /dev/hda' should be happy, no?05:53
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GotD0thow do you make certain apps load at startup05:53
lamontwonder if maybe fdisk didn't like the drive contentws05:53
FSK405Cnewbie: There are patents on how things are done as well as the end result...while how things are done between bsd and linux may differ...the end result is very much similar...a unix like operating system that owns any commercial os :)05:53
calamarimgoose: nvidia ti4200 hope thats not considered slow now hehe05:53
mgoosehmm05:53
FSK405Cit is slow calamari :(05:53
FSK405C<---suffers from same card :(05:53
mgoose"Unable to open /dev/hda"05:53
lamontany bitchiness from dmesg about it?05:54
calamariseems to be only the terminal that does it, so maybe its just the app05:54
lamontthat is, during bootup, what does it say about ide stuff.05:54
zenwhenMy 6800 doesn't give me any issues. :)05:54
mgooselamont: maybe its all that porn?05:54
mgoosehmm05:54
mgooselol05:54
calamariFSK405C: seriously?  lol, that was a top of the line card it seems like only a year ago05:54
FSK405Cyep gloin == fifi05:54
FSK405Ccalamari: I know man, I know...I have a ti4600 myself...and...gamers laugh at me now :(05:55
=== gloin laughs at FSK405C for other reasons
gsonFSK405C why ? ive got ti4600 and owns?:)05:55
gsonbest in europe05:56
FSK405Cgloin: Shaddup05:56
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gson:D05:56
GotD0thow do you make certain apps load at startup05:56
FSK405Cgson: The latest radeon and nvidia cards own the ti460005:56
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: last nvidia and radion suport like 10000000000000000000000000000 colours and I'm pretty much sure you dont need half of that05:57
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: cause you simple cant see it05:57
FSK405Cnewbie: It's got so much more to do with aside from color depth05:57
lamontGotD0t: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Sessions05:57
=== gloin puts on asbestos undies
FSK405Ca lot of it is how fast it can move data across the pipe05:57
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: and how much data is moved05:57
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=== lamont knows some nvidia engineers, will likely buy one of them thar cards next time. (just found out that's where they work...)
GotD0tthanks lamont05:58
lamontGotD0t: np05:58
gloinlol lamont05:58
FSK405Cnewbie: That too...for me Im on a 22 inch lcd...so even my 4600 chokes a bit...05:58
gloinlamont: send me a 6800U if you get a second =] 05:58
FSK405CI'd kill for a G5 and that monster nvidia card they've got in there05:58
lamontgloin: doesn't motorola make that??05:58
gloinhehe05:58
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: a major problem is thar new games are doing thing like: malloc(*system(totalmemory/2))05:59
lamontgloin: mostly I don't care what the graphics is, as long as it has lots of deep pixels.05:59
lamontwhich is really sad for a former graphics engineer05:59
gsonFSK405C the graphic card doesnt do the player:D...if we talk quake3 works just fine with ti4600 :D05:59
FSK405Cgson: I'm an urban terror addict05:59
gloingson: doom3 likes big fat expensive vidcards that I can't afford05:59
gsonhehe nice FSK405C, do you know zooman ?05:59
gloinand I like to have 350fps in any game =] 05:59
_|Imanewbie|_FSK405C: doom 3 is a piece of $h1706:00
FSK405Cand it doesn't do so well with 1600*1024 with decent options06:00
gsongloin gl hf with that m8:)06:00
mgooselamont: dmesg says "hda: ST3120026A, ATA DISK drive" which is correct06:00
gsonFSK405C heh true:)06:00
mgoosebut I also see06:00
FSK405Cgson: Don't know him...but I've seen the name around06:00
FSK405Cstupid 22 inch display has ruined my fps06:00
gloin<---trying to figure out the doom3 SDK right now06:00
mgoose"VP_IDE: chipset revision 606:00
mgooseVP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later06:00
mgooseVP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:11.106:00
mgooseVP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide006:00
mgooseVP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide106:00
mgooseVP_IDE: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS)06:00
mgoose"06:00
FSK405Cand just so people know06:00
lamontmgoose: ew06:00
FSK405Cgloin is a troll :)06:00
FSK405C:P06:01
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gloinsomeone op me for a second06:01
mike8901:P06:01
=== Xenguy is ready to /ignore someone...
mgooseim guessing "ew" is a bad thing?06:01
FSK405Cnooooo06:01
mgooseheh06:01
calamariwell, I'm stumped.. anyone know how I can rename the Applications menu?06:02
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: I think the last really funny game Ive played was stunts06:02
gsonFSK405C then you can help me with my q3 in ubuntu06:02
mgoosestunts? cant say ive tried it06:02
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: take a look at the underdogs06:02
gloingson: you might want to talk to me as I actually play q3 in ubuntu - FSK405C is just setting virtual pc up to run ubuntu06:03
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: how old are you?06:03
FSK405Cgson: I can't...but gloin might be able to...only x86 available to me is virtual pc06:03
gsonwhy tha hell cant i use 120hz in ubuntu? r_Displayrefresh 120 in q3, if i change it to r_displayrefresh in q3 and do vid_Restart, my whole x dies and i have to login once again06:03
FSK405Cso all my trash is emulated06:03
gsonk06:03
FSK405Cyeah like what gloin said :)06:03
gsonheh06:03
gloinhrm06:03
mgoose21 now06:03
gsongloin do you use 120hz in ubuntu?06:03
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: hum... so you should have played stunts06:03
gloingson: you're probably going way out of the parameters of what your monitor can handle with that refresh rate06:03
FSK405Cgloin is a leet q3 on linux guy :) played it under every distro it can be played under, Im sure06:04
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: this game is a myth06:04
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gloingson: leave it at 60 - that's as fast as your brain can interpret anyhow06:04
gsonye think so to, but it worked in windows, might be the driver that makes the monitor to handle 120hz..06:04
gsonhehe gloin :)06:04
mgoosehmm maybe ive played it but dont remember the name06:04
gloingson: seriously06:04
gloinset your refresh to default06:04
gsonwell now i use 85hz06:04
gloinset com_maxfps to 7606:04
gsonthats enough06:04
gloincool06:04
gsonk06:04
gloin85 is fine06:04
gloinand 76 is a magic number for fps06:05
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: it a race game you choose a carand build a track with loops, jumps and stuff06:05
gsonheheheh:D06:05
FSK405Cmagic number, fifi?06:05
gloinyeah06:05
gsonand r_Displayrefresh 85 also then..06:05
glointalk to zane06:05
gloinhe can 'splain it06:05
FSK405Cno screw that06:05
FSK405Cyou can explain it :)06:05
gloinbasically, it has to to do with the mathematics of the q3 engine and something important that I forget06:05
mgoosehmmm sounds fun06:05
FSK405Cyou mentioned it...you baited the hook...I bit...now you reel in :)06:05
gloinbut you actually move faster06:05
gloinif you go 7606:05
FSK405Cwtf06:05
FSK405Cyou bsing us man?06:05
gloin27 or LT1 might know06:06
gloinnegative, this is truth06:06
gsonhehe well all i need to know is that have you had the problem when you make a vid_REstart then it just kills x and you have to login again?06:06
gloingson: nope =] 06:06
FSK405CIll get you banned across every underground supporting server if yer jerking my chain06:06
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: but back to gentoo talking, wich is the difference between the kind of access debian or ubuntu provide to their repositories and the one offered by gentoo?06:06
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gsonk ill get it all the time, maybe me cfg thats fucked up in linux :)06:06
gsonall i need to do is com_maxfps 76, r_Displayrefresh 85 and what else?:)06:06
GotD0tanybody know why 3D accelerated games crash X in hoary?06:06
gloinGotD0t: what vidcard?06:07
GotD0tgloin: 9700pro... dual head06:07
gloineek, ATI06:07
gsonheh06:07
gsonthats all i need to do gloin?06:07
gloinno clue GotD0t06:07
gloingson: yep =] 06:07
mgooseI think Gentoo is more up to date06:07
mgooseand has more packages06:08
gloinlol mgoose06:08
gloinever heard of "debian?"06:08
gsonhave you played in windows before? or in other distros?06:08
mgooselol06:08
gloingson: yeah, and yeah06:08
gsonbecause the feeling is so different06:08
gson:)06:08
mgoosesome guy claimed gentoo has 9x,xxx something packages? thats insane man06:08
_|Imanewbie|_gloin: debian is known for "slow" update rate06:08
mgoosedeb has ~ 16,xxx06:08
gloinand so far, ubuntu is the best of the distros for gaming for me, and any distro is better than windows for q3 and other opengl games =] 06:09
crimsun19k maybe for Gentoo06:09
gsonheh true gloin06:09
gloinmgoose: how many of those packages to you expect to use?06:09
crimsun90k is quite a stretch06:09
_|Imanewbie|_gloin: if they are there to be used I expect to use them all =)06:09
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mgoosegloin: all of them!!!!! mwahaha06:10
Rene_SActually Gentoo could claim that they can use any package, anytime, anywhere if your willing to compile it yourself06:10
mgooselol jk06:10
gloinlol06:10
gloinanyhow06:10
mgoosebut its nice to know that theyre there if i should ever want to06:10
Rene_Sbut then again so can any other linux distro. so arguing is kinda pointless06:10
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gloinubuntu is based upon debian, but is updated a helluva lot sooner than debian is - one of the reasons I don't use deb is because it feels ancient to me.  gentoo is a different animal entirely - I tried it, inhaled even, but ultimately put it down in favor of a binary distro06:11
_|Imanewbie|_Rene_S: we arent "arguing", we are just "discussing" linux =)06:11
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mgoosethats why Arch is so cool, gloin06:11
gloin?06:12
mgooseit still has the flexibility of gentoo but its binary based06:12
Rene_Sarguing, debating, chatting, discussing all feel the same these days06:12
mgoose686 optimized06:12
gloinheh06:12
gloinI had a look at arch06:12
gloinhappier with Ubuntu06:12
mgooseto each his own06:12
gloindistros are like cars: you pick the one you like based upon asthetics and purpose06:12
gloin=] 06:12
Tsjoklat*yawn*06:12
mike8901=] 06:12
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: only thing I get mad about linux is that you must configure video and internet by your self, that is a dumb waste of time06:12
gloinheh06:13
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lamontGotD0t: I expect it's because of X bugs...06:13
gloinyou are a newbie lol06:13
mgoose_|Imanewbie|_,  not on all distros06:13
taeranyone here using ubuntu as a server? Having growing pains w/ debian stable(yes, know of backports.org). I assume it's very debian like from the console(ie, no X)06:13
Tsjoklatzenwhen, if you haven't fallen into a coma by now (because of the exciting convo) it works06:13
mgooseI too am a newbie!06:13
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: most of them06:13
mgoosewhat sort of internet connection do you have?06:13
_|Imanewbie|_gloin: Ive managed to configure xfree in slackware, debian, and some other distros and it didnt gave me any usefull knowledgement06:14
Tsjoklattwo hamsters and a bucket of carrots06:14
Tsjoklathello Rene_S :P06:14
Rene_SSo if Linux is like cars then Fedora Core would be a Lada06:14
gloinlol06:14
gloindon't rip on Ladas like that Rene_S!06:14
zenwhenTsjoklat, rockin. :D06:14
gloinmaybe a Trabant06:14
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mgoose_|Imanewbie|_, you have no business installing linux, us geeks would take joy just at knowing pointless facts like how to configure xfree :)06:14
Tsjoklatthat'sad that an Italian car is made in Russia06:15
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: I prefer to have a X auto-configured and wast my time coding06:15
mike8901thanks ubuntu for 500 cds of ubuntu goodness :D06:15
mgooseis it really? one more thing to add to my random & useless collection of facts06:15
zenwhenmike8901, they sent you 500 cds?06:15
gloinmgoose: it's pointless until you're given the task of setting up thin-client servers across diverse hardware, at which time understanding how to properly-configure X11 is VERY useful06:15
mike8901i dunno zenwhen06:16
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mike8901all i know06:16
mike8901is 5 white packages06:16
mike8901:)06:16
Rene_SI like the cd's they were nice enough to provide a live cd too06:16
mike8901didnt count em06:16
Quest-MasterI can't believe they send CDs for free with no shipping.06:16
zenwhenYou requested them?06:16
lamont_|Imanewbie|_: I've configured X on a distro or 2, and was very glad to _NOT_NEED_TO_KNOW_HOW_ for ubuntu06:16
mike8901i requested a lot cant remember06:16
Quest-MasterThat's.. too nice.06:16
zenwhenWhat are you going to do with them?06:16
Quest-MasterI would hate for someone to abuse it. :(06:16
mike8901give em to friends06:16
mgoosemike damn 500 cds? jesus06:16
=== Quest-Master coughs
mike8901hand em out like AOL cds06:16
zenwhenOh cool06:16
mike8901:D06:16
Tsjoklatuse 'em as coasters06:16
mike8901i work at a teen center06:16
=== gloin misses AOL floppies
zenwhenI was hoping you werent going to build a throne with them06:16
mike8901i'll jsut be like here take a disc06:16
mgooseI felt bad asking for 10 and not paying for them06:16
gloinat least those were useful =] 06:16
lamontmike8901: 50 cd's per small box...06:16
zenwhenBecause I would be tempted.06:16
KeyserSozeanyone know why the enlightenment package isn't installable in hoary?06:17
_|Imanewbie|_I think they shouldnt send so many cds06:17
Quest-MasterI was going to order one, but felt bad for them having to pay for it on their own06:17
zenwhenAn ubuntu cd throne :O Wiht a lighter and enough time to waste you can make it happen.06:17
mike8901its financed by a MILLIONAIRE06:17
zenwhenI built an AOL cd throne once.06:17
Quest-MasterWho?06:17
zenwhenThat one dude.06:17
zenwhenlol06:17
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gsongloin nope it died:)06:17
Tsjoklathey Rene_S I caved it06:18
gsonbut i think i know what the prob is06:18
XenguyQuest-Master: www.markshuttleworth.com06:18
gloingson: try moving your config out06:18
gsonbut still one problem that you might had06:18
mgooseit doesnt really matter who its financed by, its the matter of taking someting without payin for it06:18
gsonthe mouse, did you see the walls lagg?06:18
mgoosei wouldnt care if bill gates sent me the damn cds06:18
Tsjoklatif Bill Gates sent me any cds I would use them for target shooting06:19
_|Imanewbie|_hey, will they ever re-open cd ordering?06:19
Xenguymgoose: you've got the wrong idea -- this actually *is* free software (not just as in price)  :-)06:19
mike8901Tsjoklat: bill gates sent me a free copy of vb.net along w/ 2 books06:19
mike8901:D06:19
Tsjoklatmike8901 yeah Bill is getting desperate to keep customers :P06:19
zenwhenI hope I get my 10 cds06:19
Xenguymike8901: the first hit is always 'free' ;-)06:19
zenwhenI want a live cd.06:19
zenwhenO;06:19
gsongloin did you have that problem? with the mouse, when you move the walls are lagging, its all laggy06:19
gloingson: no06:20
gsonbah06:20
zenwhenI hate dialup sometimes.06:20
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gsonthen my q3 is all fucked:D06:20
mgooseI also hope I get my 10, havent gotten them yet06:20
gsonwhat do you have in com_hunkmegs ?06:20
mgooseI understand about the software being free and all but that doesnt include making a cd and shipping doe sit?06:20
mgooseeh o wells06:20
Tsjoklatzenwhen try dial-up with a house of guys having to d/l porn 24/706:20
=== lamont has managed to unload quite a few
gsonive got 119, might be to high06:20
zenwhenTsjoklat... always taunting me D:06:20
mike8901wow #coolchannel is really cool06:21
zenwhenWhoa06:21
mike8901:)06:21
zenwhenYou share dialup?06:21
Tsjoklatzenwhen just trying to be helpful *cough*06:21
lamont_|Imanewbie|_: from the topic: CDs order before 12th Nov have been shipped, you can still order CDs06:21
zenwhenhe totally flooded06:21
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gloinhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/26/dwp_network_outage/06:22
gloinhehe06:22
zenwhenhaha06:22
gloinoopsies06:22
Tsjoklatzenwhen I share dial-up with boys that are having testerone issues06:22
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Xenguymgoose: like someone else said, the fellow paying for this has multi-millions -- he's not in this project for the money06:22
zenwhenmike8901, perhaps spamming that swastika in #coolchannel is a bad idea?06:22
zenwhenYou seem to be flooding out when you try.06:22
_|Imanewbie|_mgoose: maybe you already answered me, but I could find it on the log... Wich is the difference between the kind of acces ubuntu and debian give to the sites and the one given by gentoo?06:22
mgooseXenguy: true06:22
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: thx!06:22
mike8901zenwhen: pardon?06:23
zenwhenTsjoklat, poor girl. :(06:23
Tsjoklatzenwhen what is that channel you are on?06:23
mgoosehmm _|Imanewbie|_I did sort of answer, but you might want more expert advice06:23
Xenguymgoose: check out his homepage, he seems pretty interesting :-)06:23
zenwhen#coolchannel is the cool channel where mike8901 spams swatikas06:23
mgooseI think gloin would be more knowledgable06:23
zenwhenapparently06:23
mgooseXenguy, will do06:23
Xenguyzenwhen: ugh06:23
gloinhuh?06:23
gloinme knowledgable?06:24
zenwhenXenguy, he first was so kind to spam the channel name in here.06:24
gloinuhh...06:24
Tsjoklatzenwhen can I join?06:24
zenwhenIm there alone now but sure.06:24
lamont_|Imanewbie|_:  "kind of acces ubuntu and debian give to the sites"?? (which sites?)06:24
Rene_SI go away for a min and people are discussing Swastika's ?06:24
zenwhen;)06:24
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: repositories06:24
Tsjoklatzenwhen lol you are? being stoked by mike8901 and his swastikas?06:24
lamont_|Imanewbie|_: so you mean ways of accessing the repositories, or what?06:25
zenwhenyes D:06:25
zenwhenHe wants to hitler me.06:25
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=== Xenguy notes that originally the swastika was a sacred symbol, before the Nazi party dudes got their grubby hands on it...
TsjoklatRene_S you have no idea.. we went from millionairs to Bill Gates to cool to swastikas06:25
lamontGotD0t: I'm not an X expert...06:25
zenwhenThe Ubuntu forums slowed down a lot when the server started crashing all the time.06:26
=== Tsjoklat notes that is was the personal symbol of Tsarina Alexandria of Russia
Tsjoklatif we are going to do history06:26
zenwhenHas anyone seen "The Day After Tomorrow"06:26
zenwhenThat movie is freaking scary.06:27
TsjoklatI just did zenwhen.. awesome06:27
Tsjoklatzenwhen thin story but skip the people... :)06:27
_|Imanewbie|_lamont: I mean why mgoose said that debian and ubuntu were safer than gentoo in the downloand and installing software point06:27
TsjoklatI liked the part where the flag froze06:27
bigbubbacan someone recommend a good desktop enviroment please? fluxbox seems to lightweight, gnome seems like a resource hog06:27
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zenwhenI didnt. Poor flag. :(06:27
_|Imanewbie|_bigbubba: Gnome?06:27
Tsjoklatzenwhen the flag will survive lol.. it just defrosts06:28
_|Imanewbie|_bigbubba: kde?06:28
mgoosewait a minute, i dont remember saying that, lol06:28
XenguyTsjoklat: the swastika symbol has definitely gotten around (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)06:28
TsjoklatXenguy.. used and abused :)06:28
XenguyTsjoklat: nod06:28
mgoosethe swastika actually came from an indian religious thing06:28
TsjoklatHindi06:28
bigbubbais kde better? i just notice that after about 3 hours of using gnome my computer goes to the dogs06:28
egon_spenglerbigbubba try fvwm2, windowmaker, afterstep, or icewm06:28
bigbubbaeverything is slow06:28
zenwhenKDE is most certainly not "better" in any sense of the word.06:29
mgooseTsjoklat, hindi is just a language06:29
bigbubbaok out of those which one do you recommend for a newbie?06:29
mgooseKDE06:29
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zenwhenSome people may find is subjectively "pretier" but some people also liked the movie "Fast and the Furious".06:29
zenwhenit*06:29
egon_spenglerbigbubba, Icewm then06:29
bigbubbaok06:29
bigbubbathanks will check it out06:30
TsjoklatHindu... Buddhism.. you get the idea06:30
bigbubbais there a deb distro on it?06:30
Xenguybigbubba: icewm (or windowmaker if you like quirky but effective desktops :-)06:30
_|Imanewbie|_bigbubba: I dont like KDE personally but I use Kdeveloper3 here so dunno06:30
_|Imanewbie|_bigbubba: a debian package you mean?06:30
bigbubbabasically i want something simple with a little bit of eye candy06:30
zenwhenXFCE06:30
bigbubbapackage distro whtaever you get the idea :)06:30
novaburstlet me just say that even though I liked the movie "Fast and the Furious", I like and use Gnome ;)06:30
Tsjoklatzenwhen you use the mouse?06:30
Xenguybigbubba: right, XFCE is another good one06:31
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bigbubbai'm using that06:31
zenwhenTsjoklat, it uses me.06:31
mgooseTsjoklat, well actually I wouldnt, since hindi by itself doesnt imply or equate with any particular religion or any religious theme at all06:31
bigbubbabut i don't like how the panel is06:31
mgoosebut thats just me06:31
Tsjoklatzenwhen you like it?06:31
Quest-MasterHindu does though. ;)06:31
bigbubbaand how its a pain to get the sound slider to work06:31
Tsjoklatmgoose... need more salt? or more slugs?06:31
mgooseone more thing: buddhists would probably not speak hindi06:31
zenwhenMouse, yes. I'm fond of it.06:31
bigbubbalet me try icewm and thanks06:31
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Tsjoklatmgoose no I don't speak Hindi06:31
s0cksHey. Who here owns PDAs?06:31
rexiboyhelo bros an sis06:32
zenwhenI have two monitors and run two x servers, and things would get hairy without it.06:32
mgooseum ok, are you buddhist06:32
mgooselol06:32
Tsjoklatshinto-buddhist mgoose06:32
mgooseah ok06:32
zenwhenOh, really?06:32
calamariwell, now I have a main menu, but I'm not sure how to get the stuff from the Computer menu and put it in a Setup foldere that I created06:33
mgoosedammit how do i strech that panel in XFce out and add the taskbar to it06:33
zenwhenI dont know, I dont like XFCE, but its sorta pretty and really light.06:33
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zenwhenI love Gnome. :))06:33
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Tsjoklatzenwhen but you are using it? even though you don't like it?06:33
Quest-MasterGnome is <306:33
gloinnegative06:33
gloinKDE > *06:33
zenwhenI use Gnome.06:34
zenwhenwhat06:34
Quest-MasterI used KDE for many months.06:34
zenwhenBLASPHEMY06:34
Quest-MasterAnd trust me.06:34
Quest-MasterGnome IS better.06:34
gloinnope06:34
Quest-Master:)06:34
gloinI manage LTSP servers06:34
zenwhenSubjectively, yes.06:34
Quest-MasterKDE is good for people migrating from Windows.06:34
gloinKDE has something there that Gnome does not06:34
zenwhengloin, what you manage does not make your DE choice more important.06:34
mgooseI like KDE much better, easier to get around and makes more sense imo06:34
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zenwhenlol06:34
TsjoklatKDE looks fab but works donkey balls06:34
Quest-MasterAfter a while, they should get accustomed to Gnome06:34
Quest-MasterWell.06:34
gloinactually zenwhen for what I do, I need the functionality in KDE06:34
Quest-MasterI agree with mgoose06:34
gloinever hear of the Kiosk API?06:35
gloinit's amazingly useful06:35
zenwhenKDE makes more sense if you can ween yourself off of Windows habits.06:35
gloinand gnome does not have it06:35
Quest-MasterDoes Ubuntuu even work with KDE?06:35
=== gloin also likes the greater degree of customizability with KDE
gloinQuest-Master: I'm using KDE on ubuntu right now =] 06:35
LeeColletonHow do I cause non-interactive ssh to display the output of a program on the remote machine?06:35
mgooseQuest-Master we're all entitled to our wrong opinions :)06:35
mgooselol06:35
Quest-MasterGnome runs so much faster and smoother though than KDE06:35
zenwhenThis is a bad convo.06:35
gloinit also looks and acts like Windows 9506:35
gloinHmm06:35
Tsjoklatflame wars06:36
Quest-Master.. lol06:36
rushibhaii'm happy as long as i can open a terminal with screen :-) who cares about kde/gnome06:36
zenwhenReally it is.06:36
gloinopen a new window for each folder that gets clicked on06:36
gloingreat idea!06:36
=== linux_galore finds KDE runs fast finds the gnome is faster than kde thing BS
zenwhenI shouldnt be in it.06:36
_|Imanewbie|_Quest-Master: It WAS true once now I have my doubts06:36
calamaricoming from windows 98, I have to say I like Gnome a lot better than I ever liked KDE06:36
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zenwhenBecause Ill be immature and Tsjoklat will hit me.06:36
lamontrushibhai: I used fvwm until jdub made me switch to gnome.06:36
zenwhenD:06:36
lamontwho needs session managers, anyway?06:36
Quest-MasterWell.06:36
Quest-MasterI'm on a 2.2Ghz Celeron.06:36
linux_galoreto be honest gnome and kde speeds sem pretty much the same to me06:36
linux_galoreseem*06:36
_|Imanewbie|_linux_galore: amem06:36
rushibhailamont: i use gnome because its pre-installed.06:36
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egon_spenglerLet's here it for NetBSD and console06:37
calamaribut, right now I have extra menus that I can't seem to get rid of hehe06:37
Quest-MasterI don't know about you guys, but I can tell you honestly that Gnome runs faster than KDE.06:37
Quest-MasterOh.06:37
Quest-MasterBy the way.06:37
zenwhenAbuse!06:37
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mgoosewell thats not such a great argument rushibhai06:37
lamontrushibhai: I switched so that I could better help our users... :-)06:37
Quest-MasterI have a 5 year old computer in the basement that runs Gnome pretty well, and barely runs KDE.06:37
TsjoklatI like to abuse men zenwhen you know that06:37
gloinI use KDE because I like it better and think the Gnome UI guidelines are probably the stupidest set of hare-brained "concepts" I've ever seen.06:37
mgooseQuest-Master, maybe only with Ubuntu, they probably patch it up06:37
gloinseriously06:37
lamontalthough I've been known to just sit there and hit alt-f4 for a while after logging in on my laptop, just to get to a sane state.. But that's a special situation06:37
rushibhailamont, you part of the staff? i'm new to this chat and ubuntu (am formerly debian)06:37
linux_galoreQuest-Master: lol you do know KDE has a pre loader for its base libs and the file amanger so things open under 1 second for me06:37
_|Imanewbie|_well guys that was a nice chat but I gtg night everybody!06:38
Tsjoklatpart of the staff... LOL06:38
lamontrushibhai: I'm canonical staff, yes06:38
gloinsomeone explain to me why the "Open each folder in a new window" concept was anything short of utter idiocy06:38
zenwhenTsjoklat, thats why you're my #1 #ubuntu girl. (it helps that you are the only one)06:38
Tsjoklatlamont juse sent us two emails today06:38
mgoosecya newbie06:38
Quest-Mastergloin: I must agree with you there06:38
Tsjoklatzenwhen and hypia being number two?06:38
lamontTsjoklat: I did06:38
Quest-MasterI want to find a way to disable that06:38
glointhat was fucking stupid06:38
lamont?06:38
rexiboyany1 knows about a good keylogger for ubuntu64?06:38
Quest-MasterIt sucks.06:38
gloinsorry bout the language06:38
gloinQuest-Master: you can easily disable it06:38
zenwhenOh?06:38
rushibhailamont. its cool to have staff people hanging out on irc. cool! like your distro so far..06:38
mgooselol gloin, yea man what the hell is that06:38
Quest-MasterYou're right about that.06:38
zenwhenI had no clue.06:38
Quest-MasterHow?06:38
gloinerr06:38
glointhere's a way06:38
mgoosei was like how can somebody actually use this pos06:38
gloinit's kind of non-intuitive to get to06:38
lamontrushibhai: there tend to be several developers in the channel at any given time..06:39
zenwhenYes06:39
Quest-MasterBtw, how do you actually install KDE on Ubuntu?06:39
gloinsomewhere there's a setting that basically says use nautilus in browser mode06:39
zenwhenKamion is a dev too06:39
mgooseapt-get install kde, though im sure something is bound to be broken06:39
gloinQuest-Master: enable universe and multiverse in your repositories and search for KDE06:39
gloinit's easy06:39
gloinmgoose: negative06:39
mgooseim doing it right now, so ill let you know06:39
gloinit works well06:39
mgooseoh ok06:39
Quest-MasterOnly KDE is needed?06:39
mgoosegood to know :)06:39
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lamontgloin: kde is all in universe06:39
mgooseapt = great06:39
gloinQuest-Master: look at what comes up when you search for KDE and pick what you want =] 06:39
mgoosewill install all deps, quest06:40
zenwhengloin, Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> File Management -> Behaviour -> Always open in browser windows.06:40
rexiboylamont, any keylogger for U64?06:40
Quest-MasterAck, needs 416MB06:40
glointhanks zenwhen06:40
lamontrexiboy: dunno06:40
gloinyean Quest-Master you don't want to do it over dialup06:40
Quest-MasterI'll do it anyhow.06:40
Quest-Master3mbps cable = :)06:41
TsjoklatI am happy flappy back on warty06:41
zenwhenI am also on warty.06:41
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rushibhailamnnt: nice.. that's super! keep up the good work. and please try to move to firefox 1 sometime before the next release, so that one doesn't have to install *anything* from outside the apt sources ;)06:41
Tsjoklathoary + UTF is not for me06:41
zenwhenAND DOWNLOADED IT OVER DIALUP, so my "<3 ubuntu" is bigger than yours. >:o06:41
lamontrushibhai: we dropped back because ffox 1 wasn't ready.  I think it's there in hoary already06:41
gloinfirefox 1 is in hoary06:42
lamontweb/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu3: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 06:42
gloinand I disagree with the statement that it isn't ready06:42
gloinit's fine06:42
gloinunless there is a "not ready" that isn't obvious to me06:42
rushibhailamont: i know the story, its just my 2 cents..06:42
Quest-MasterHow much more bandwidth do you think I'd get if I was to mirror the CD ISOs for Ubuntu?06:42
TsjoklatI d/l it over dial-up too! with the three porn downloaders remember!06:42
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zenwhenMy Ubuntu install is tainted with bits an pieces of debian unstable though. Ill go back to pure ubuntu when Hoary is done.06:43
lamontgloin: known to randomly crash when visiting certain web sites.06:43
gloinlamont: so is IE06:43
lamontgloin: yeah, but 0.93 didn't crash06:43
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linux_galoredigs around the internet and finds crossover-standard_4[1] .0-1_i386.deb06:43
TsjoklatI went to epiphany, I hope to get rid of Mozilla all together06:43
Quest-MasterDo any of you guys use BitTorrent? Azureus, namely?06:43
gloinQuest-Master: yes06:44
gloinwhy06:44
rushibhaizenwhen: i moved from unstable to ubuntu because this one is about as recent as it gets without dist-upgrading daily :)06:44
gloinoh speaking of which06:44
Quest-MasterI'm trying to install the Java JRE06:44
Quest-MasterSo I can run Azureus06:44
Quest-MasterIt isn't working though06:44
gloinQuest-Master: did you download the current one?06:44
gloinis important06:44
Quest-MasterYup.06:44
calamarilamont: is there a way to move the setup stuff out of the Computer menu into the Applications menu?06:44
glointhere's a bad security vuln06:44
gloinanyhow06:44
gloinsudo ./jr3blahblah06:44
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Quest-MasterYeah.06:44
gloinit will make a directory in cwd06:44
deFryskQuest-Master, azureus runs fine here06:44
gloinsudo mv j2reblah /usr06:44
Quest-MasterIt's supposed to install it under /usr/java right?06:44
lamontcalamari: nfc, but I believe the answer is "you don't want to do that, it hurts".  Or something like that. :-)06:44
Quest-MasterAh.06:45
glointhen sudo ln -s /usr/j2reblah/bin/* /usr/bin06:45
Quest-Master:)06:45
Quest-MasterI see.06:45
calamarilamont:  will it break things?06:45
TreenaksQuest-Master: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html06:45
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lamontcalamari: dunno06:45
TsjoklatTreenaks :)06:46
zenwhen_My dialup ISP boots me once every twelve hours.06:46
Quest-MasterAh, thanks Treenaks.06:46
FSK405CI must admit ubuntu is fairly impressive :)06:46
zenwhen_it just happened.06:46
lamontediting gnome menus is specifically not something that gnome wants you to do06:46
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calamarilamont: I'd love to see an option to have all the setup stuff in a "Control Panel", accessible from either main menu or applications06:46
calamarilamont: oic06:46
gloinlamont: that's one of the many many lame things about gnome06:46
zenwhengnome-control-center06:46
linux_galoreI like the dual CD package for Ubuntu (nearly typed gentoo lol) you can take the live CD to your local PC seller and see if it works before you buy06:46
gloinand the gnome-control-center reminds me oh-so-much of the Windows Registry06:46
calamarigloin: yeah it has that feel, doesn't it06:47
gloinit's horrid06:47
zenwhenmore like control panel06:47
gloinI think gnome needs a real leadership overhaul06:47
lamontgloin: the target is the end user, not the technocrat.  Although it's nice to have happy technocrats too06:47
zenwhenI dont like kcontrol06:47
zenwhenI think gnome needs to keep ging the direction its headed.06:47
zenwhengoing*06:47
linux_galorecalamari: lol port mandrake control panel to Ubuntu its all gtk based06:47
gloinlamont: can you explain the "open-each-folder-in-new-window" so-called feature in the current Gnome?  I haven't seen a cogent argument for why they pulled that number.06:47
gloinit really feels archaic06:48
zenwhenI knwo a lot of people who prefer it.06:48
FSK405Cgloin: Some people like that06:48
Quest-MasterI think Gnome needs a better feeling of where the user knows what they are doing and don't feel lonely.06:48
Rene_SI could lead Gnome, however I tend to be lazy so It would end up looking like KDE06:48
zenwhenIts very clasic mac like.06:48
calamarilinux_galore: I like the things on the COmputer menu.. I just wish there didn't have to be a computer menu.. I like my screen real estate :)06:48
FSK405Cthere is a similar feature in os x Ive never heard you cry about it :P06:48
lamontgloin: you're assuming that I actually use nautilus06:48
gloinheh06:48
rushibhaigloin: you can middle-double-click to open in the same window.06:48
linux_galoreisnt there something about moving Yast to Ubuntu now its GPL06:48
gloinzenwhen: yeah, it's very windows 3.1 like06:48
Quest-Master:o06:48
zenwhengloin, whos to say that old is wrong06:49
deFryskyast ? omg :s06:49
Quest-MasterYaST is cool.06:49
gloinzenwhen: old is wrong when it clutters up your desktop with a plethora of windows06:49
Quest-MasterBut apt-get is better ;)06:49
linux_galoreUbuntu is nice but it really needs a nice central control center06:49
Tsjoklatyast: gives me YEAST06:49
zenwhenits wrong when you dont like it06:49
Tsjoklatbrb06:49
zenwhenmany people do06:49
zenwhenyeast O:06:49
gloinzenwhen: do you like it?06:49
Quest-MasterAlso.06:49
zenwhenPersonally, no.06:49
zenwhenBut I changed it.06:49
jdublamont: harsh06:50
Quest-MasterI think the Ubuntu developers should make an installer like the one Suse has.06:50
zenwhenI dont want Gnome to bend around me.06:50
Quest-MasterAll nice looking and user-friendly.06:50
gloinsee?06:50
deFrysksuse ? omg :s06:50
Quest-MasterNot command-line looking.06:50
gloinlol06:50
calamarilamont: btw, Ubuntu is the best linux distro I've ever used.  You guys are doing an awesome job.. keep it up :)06:50
zenwhenI like the sarge installer.06:50
lamontcalamari: thanks06:50
gloinagreed, calamari06:50
Quest-MasterWell, I think that'd be better for new users06:50
mgooseI like the command like look, personally06:50
glointhere's a reason I'm here, griping about Gnome =] 06:50
Quest-MasterI liked the installer a lot though06:50
glointhe installer is easy enough to deal with06:50
linux_galoresuse lol  I prefere the Mandrake installer personally...nice pretty doesnt ask much06:50
zenwhenThe ubuntu expert setup is perfect.06:50
deFryskmandrake ? geez06:51
gloinand doesn't require a 300-meg ramdisk to be setup first06:51
Quest-Masterlamont: You develop for Ubuntu it seems?06:51
zenwhenI couldnt ask for anything more and certainly dont need a mouse to set up an OS.06:51
lamontQuest-Master: I build stuff and fix bugs06:51
Quest-MasterAwesome. :)06:51
lamont"loose canon about town" :-)06:51
mgooseagh dammit unstable doesnt have kde 3.3.106:51
gloinlol06:51
mgooseit installed the inferior 3.2.306:51
mgooselol06:51
deFryskkde sucks06:51
zenwhenyou said it06:51
gloindeFrysk: eat my shorts06:51
Quest-MasterLet's not go back to that. :P06:51
zenwhenXD06:52
deFryskgloin, they suck too06:52
gloingnome is for people who thought windows 3.1 was the Best OS Ever06:52
linux_galoreyeah kde 3.2.x is horrible for me I just download kde 3.3.1 and compiled it06:52
zenwhengloin, now see06:52
zenwhenthat was a personal attack06:52
zenwhenbad boy06:52
gloinoops06:52
gloinfair 'nough06:52
mgoosedamn galore, how long did that take ya/06:52
gloindeFrysk: sorry I told you to eat my shorts06:52
gloinbetter/06:52
gloin?06:52
mgoosei was just plannin on adding some apt sources and doing it again06:52
mgooselol06:52
zenwhenoh yeah06:52
linux_galoremgoose: not long I have my own cluster06:52
mgooseoh cool06:53
gloinlamont: who does the kde packages for ubuntu?06:53
Rene_SAfter 5 weeks of putzing around I think I am starting to enjoy gnome06:53
linux_galoremgoose: just read the logs total build time is 57 min06:53
lamontgloin: the community06:53
deFryskthe new nautilus in hoary can be simply set to browser in settings of nautilus itself now btw06:53
mgoosemy one friend does cool stuff with all the boxes he has lying around, he liks splits up the compile among the different machines and sends it back or something06:53
mgoosesi that the same thing you do?06:53
lamontgloin: having said that, I was the one that battered kde into building as well as it did for warty.06:53
gloindeFrysk: that should be default06:53
zenwhenKDE isnt an Ubuntu Dev thing.06:54
deFryskgloin, thats an opinion, not a fact06:54
zenwhengloin, thats opnion06:54
zenwhenoop06:54
zenwhens06:54
gloinyeah yeah06:54
Quest-MasterThe reason I stumbled upon Ubuntu because I was looking for a Gnome friendly distro.06:54
Quest-Master:D06:54
gloinit's an opinion that Many Share06:54
lamontzenwhen: it falls within ubuntu-developers, but it's not funded by canonical.06:54
zenwhenoh cool06:54
linux_galoremgoose: yeah I usually dont have the cluster running but now and again I decide one machine is not enough so I power the cluster up06:54
mgooselamont is kde 3.3.1 even in the ubuntu repo anywhere?06:54
deFrysknautilus starting up as browser needs more time/resourses06:54
gloinAnyone I've ever talked to who uses Gnome for the first time says "WTF is this crap with all the windows opening?"06:54
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zenwhenI really want to see KDE stay far away from my precious Ubuntu.06:55
zenwhen:D06:55
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[SPD] RalphNaderhello all06:55
gloinzenwhen: no chance06:55
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deFryskso spatial is still faste06:55
lamontQuest-Master: universe/kde/kdelibs_4:3.3.1-1: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 06:55
FSK405CI'll second gloin's statement on the multiple window junk06:55
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lamontsigh. mgoose ^^06:55
[SPD] RalphNaderI have a question if someone is willing06:55
Quest-Masterlamont: ?06:55
zenwhengloin, the poll on the forums showed that most people there supported my line of thinking.06:55
FSK405Cheya ralph :)06:55
lamontQuest-Master: fat fingers06:55
[SPD] RalphNaderI had warty 4.10, and all went well with the basic install06:55
mgoosewhoops, did you just answer that? sry06:55
gloindeFrysk: it's a mess, though, and reminds people of operating systems that they knew to be unstable, and generally horrid06:55
LeeColletonomg it's Ralph Nader!06:55
[SPD] RalphNaderbut I get no consoles when pressing ctrl-alt-f1-f606:55
[SPD] RalphNaderis this a known issue?06:55
[SPD] RalphNaderlol lee06:56
gloinralph has a serious question06:56
zenwhenHopefully Ubuntu can stay a nice focused gnome-based distro.06:56
deFryskgloin, works fine for me06:56
lamontQuest-Master: was going to say that yes, ubuntu is rather gnome-friendly (er, gnome-agressive?? supportive??)06:56
mgooseppl type too fast for me to stay up with at 1:00am06:56
linux_galoreyeah Ubuntu is going fine here some minor hacks here and there and download a few odds and ends from universe and Im happy06:56
lamontthen I got distracted..06:56
[SPD] RalphNaderyes but I'm fine with joking around06:56
[SPD] RalphNaderhas anyone heard of this problem before?06:56
lamont[SPD] RalphNader: should just work06:56
Quest-Masterlamont: Ubuntu is the finest distro I've used yet. :)06:56
gloinralph, did you check to be sure that you don't have a special keyboard feature like "F-Key Lock" enabled?  My keyboard has one of those and it gets me occasionally.06:56
zenwhenYeah06:56
[SPD] RalphNaderthat's what my buddy told me06:56
[SPD] RalphNaderhe suggested I upgrade to hoary, which I did06:56
[SPD] RalphNaderstill same problem06:56
lamont[SPD] RalphNader: and ctl-alt-f7 should get you back to X06:57
zenwhenIve never seen that on any distro.06:57
[SPD] RalphNaderI have a pretty generic keyboard gloin06:57
[SPD] RalphNaderand it always worked fine under SuSE06:57
LeeColleton[SPD] RalphNader: /etc/inittab controls which terminals are active06:57
linux_galoreis there a SMP kernel option for Ubuntu on the servers ....06:57
gloinhmm06:57
[SPD] RalphNaderrescued me many times06:57
zenwhenlinux_galore,06:57
=== gloin has kicked [SPD] RalphNader in the shins!
FSK405CI liked Mac OS 9 but the multiple window thing is an atrocious throwback in terms of UI. Leaves more work to the user. Sometimes you want multiple windows so open a new window and find your way there ... there are so many ways to address the problem but leaving the management of "junk" windows to the user is just lame IMO.06:57
lamontunless you hacked over /etc/inittab, they should be there....06:57
[SPD] RalphNaderomg06:57
zenwhenlinix-686-smp06:57
[SPD] RalphNaderit's C06:57
[SPD] RalphNadersup dude!06:57
jdublinux_galore: apt-cache search linux smp06:57
zenwhenlinux-686-smp06:57
mgooseNader: I think its something with the kernel06:57
lamontlinux_galore: see the linux-image pacakges06:57
linux_galorezenwhen: thanks yeah one machine left to swap to ubuntu and its a smp rigg06:57
lamontapt-cache search linux-image06:57
[SPD] RalphNaderI didn't touch inittab06:58
mgoosei recompiled a kernel recently that i messed something up on and slashed away too many modules06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderjust did the basic install06:58
mgooseand then i had the same sort of problem06:58
lamont[SPD] RalphNader: didn't expect you had...06:58
gloinI wonder if your keyboard is dying06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderhaven't even touched the kernel06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderHostname: jasen - OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1794.761 MHz) - Processes: 8406:58
[SPD] RalphNaderHostname: jasen - OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1794.761 MHz) - Processes: 8306:58
linux_galorethanks jdub06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderooh06:58
lamont[SPD] RalphNader: dunno why it would do that06:58
gloinlike a bad ctrl-key06:58
[SPD] RalphNadersorry for spam06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderSORRY!06:58
zenwhenMy custom 2.6.9 build + Ubuntu has been a dream.06:58
FSK405CRalph: How much beer did you spill on your keyboard last night?06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderlol C06:58
[SPD] RalphNadershaddup06:58
linux_galoremight swap my admin machine to Ubuntu tomorrow the live CD worked fine on it06:58
[SPD] RalphNaderthat's the kernel I have06:58
gloinseriously though06:58
lamontjdub: your search string is better. pout.06:59
glointry swapping keyboards with another computer06:59
gloinI know you have one there06:59
gloinsee if the problem continues06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderyeah I do but it's not the f-keys06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderbecause I can move back with f7 just fine06:59
linux_galorejdub: you still sick06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderand hitting ctrl-alt-f1 actually DOES something06:59
gloinahh06:59
jdublinux_galore: a bit06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderbut not waht is desired06:59
Rene_SOdd synaptic keeps closing with no error message when I choose apply06:59
gloinit takes you to a blank screen, right?06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderit gives me a black screen06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderyup06:59
zenwhenWhats really odd is that that console switching has barely anything to do with work done by the ubuntu Devs. It should just work.06:59
[SPD] RalphNaderand if I hit enter a bunch, I can see the init procedure07:00
[SPD] RalphNaderbut it loops07:00
linux_galorejdub: yeah Ive been crap for 4 weeks....noticed you didnt turn up to slug07:00
[SPD] RalphNaderand no prompt07:00
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[SPD] RalphNaderwhat is that gloin?07:00
FSK405Chey man Im serious...Ive had only top or bottom rows on my kb choke due to spilled beer :P j/k Ima shut up now07:00
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mgooseI know its not recommended but should adding an apt repo for kde 3.3 be ok?07:00
[SPD] RalphNaderlol C07:00
[SPD] RalphNaderthe keys work fine :)07:00
lamontmgoose: just add universe07:01
[SPD] RalphNaderthey just make the system do... less than smart things07:01
linux_galoreFSK405C: just unskrew it and clean it out..I do it all the time07:01
[SPD] RalphNaderwhen I should get consoles07:01
linux_galoreunscrew*07:01
FSK405Clinux_galore: Try unscrewing an apple pro keyboard. It doesn't happen.07:01
[SPD] RalphNadergloin, have you heard if this before then?07:01
gloinnegative ralph07:01
FSK405CI've spent hours trying to get inside these blasted things :D07:02
[SPD] RalphNaderomg07:02
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mgooselamont: same results, keeps saying kde is installed and latest, etc07:02
lamontmgoose: and if that doesn't work, scream at me with package names and I'll add them to my "fix these if you're ever bored" list07:02
lamontmgoose: warty or hoary?07:02
FSK405Cwell Im glad I don't have gloin's kb...thats got worse the beer or soda or soup gumming up the works... :P07:02
gloinralph, you might wanna try asking in #linux07:02
mgoosewarty, should i apt-get dist-upgrade?07:02
linux_galoreFSK405C: dont they have star screws....you can get a screwdriver for that from most electronics shops07:02
lamontshould is a relative term...07:02
calamaribrb, hopefully07:03
lamontmgoose: hoary is still rather fluid... if you're willing to tolerate occasional b0rkage, then running hoary would help the developers out at least a little bit.  Then again, it can be painful to be dragged into the bleeding edge.07:03
FSK405Clinux_galore: The board for controlling the keyboard is positioned in such a way that it is physically impossible to separate the top and bottom of the kb without engaging in soldering. I don't like burning myself.07:03
mgoosebleeding edge gooooog07:04
mgoose*d07:04
mgooselol07:04
Tsjoklathey zenwhen...  you are on warty.. does synaptic ever craps out on you?07:04
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lamontspeaking of which, I think monday will be desktop-to-hoary day for me.  good dogfood.07:04
zenwhenTsjoklat, never. Yours does?07:04
linux_galoreFSK405C: lol Im a solder jockey.... doesnt bother me...I pull laptops apart all the time to recover parts07:04
Tsjoklatzenwhen no.. but I know somebody that is having issues07:04
zenwhenWhats going on with them?07:04
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Tsjoklatwell he says his synaptic craps out on him07:05
mgoosehope it works07:05
zenwhenOdd07:05
FSK405Clinux_galore: I do software myself. Can't stand f'ing directly with the iron very well.07:05
Rene_SI dunno, whenever i choose some apps in Synaptic and I press mark it closes07:05
Tsjoklatselecting apps and mark and poof07:05
zenwhenHas he tried upgrading it?07:05
lamontmgoose: but kde 3.3.1 won't be showing up in warty, ever.07:05
lamontit'll be in hoary.07:05
mgooseheh07:05
lamontprobably07:05
mgoosealrighty07:05
linux_galoreis happy has his new shiny iBook running Linux.....man anyone tells me OSX is nice I will kill them07:05
lamont:-)07:05
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zenwhenosx is nice07:05
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Tsjoklatisn't Ibook OSX?07:06
linux_galoreyep07:06
mgooseOSX looks good for a few minutes but bleh07:06
linux_galoreeverything is in weird places07:06
lamontTsjoklat: /is/was/?07:06
mgooseit gets very boring very fast07:06
Tsjoklatlamont: ?07:06
zenwhenI am buying an Ibook to run Ubuntu on soon.07:06
gloinOS X is the hood not welded but the dashboard is07:06
lamontI don't think his iBook is running OSX anymore... :)07:06
linux_galorealso I didnt like how users could easily trash things in the system directories07:06
mgoosewow just for ubuntu?07:06
TsjoklatI don't know anything but OSX.. unexplored terrain07:06
gloinOS X does a lot07:06
TsjoklatLamont oh :P07:06
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gloinit's actually an excellent desktop unix07:07
zenwhenmgoose, yes. It will have OSX on it for an hour after I buy it.07:07
gloinmuch much better for desktop end-users than any linux that I've seen07:07
moyogowhat package do i need to install to get gstreamer-libs-0.8.pc to please pkg-config? libgstreamer0.8-dev doesn't provide it07:07
gloinbut07:07
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mgooselol zenwhen07:07
linux_galorezenwhen: lol I lasted 9 days before i couldnt stand it anymore lol07:07
Tsjoklatthen why buy OSX.....?07:07
linux_galoreTsjoklat: I want PPC laptop07:08
zenwhenI don't like any pice of software that apple has put out, but I like the screns on apple's laptops.07:08
zenwhenPlus they just look so much nicer at Starbucks. :D07:08
mgooselal those rounded corners and stuff was revolting07:08
linux_galoreTsjoklat: also it was on sale07:08
Tsjoklatlinux_galore that's good enough for me07:08
mgooseI thought Mac ppl loved osx tho07:08
Xenguy(if it ain't free as in freedom, it's craaaaaappppppp  ;-)07:08
zenwhenIm not a mac person.07:08
linux_galoremgoose: Im not a Mac person to be honest Im more a  hai I never tried putting Linux on that yet lets try it...person07:09
mgooseah very nice07:09
zenwhenI dont even like apple. I just like the way the Ibook looks. It also happens to be a decent computer.07:09
Rene_SWoot upgrading synaptic worked07:09
gloinheh07:09
linux_galoreI like the ibook keyboard and the general build is nice even on the cheap models07:10
Rene_Sodd that it did that07:10
Tsjoklatyah!07:10
gloinI dropped my 12" powerbook out of the knapsack onto pavement07:10
gloinit works fine07:10
s0cksRene_S : Do you own a pda07:10
s0cks?07:10
gloinneeds a body-and-fender tech07:10
gloinbut damn07:10
gloinimagine doing that to a Dell07:10
gloin*CRUNCH*07:10
zenwhenI'll always have an Intel CPU / Intel Chipset x86 machine for my desktop needs.07:10
linux_galorealso the ibook runs for ages on battery compared to my last Del machine07:10
gloinand also07:10
Rene_SNo i do not own a PDA, I dont want to be tied down to my job with one of those07:10
s0ckslol07:10
mgoosewhile I do appreciate innovation, it sometimes seems apple just changes stuff to be different sometimes07:10
gloinwireless integration on the powerbook is much much better than any x86 laptop I've ever seen07:10
s0cksI play games on mine :P07:10
mgooseits annoying07:10
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XenguyRene_S: exactly (and what a horrible *little* interface too)07:11
mgooselike why the fuck dont computers come with disk drives that just blows my mind07:11
gloinjoining a new wireless node on OS X is ONE CLICK07:11
mgoosesry for the language but07:11
mgooseyea07:11
linux_galoredont get a blackberry it will take over your life.....they nick name blackerries  CrackBerries  lol07:11
jdubgloin: fairly likely you'll see that in hoary.07:11
glointry that in *nix or winxp07:11
rushibhaigloin, go IBM thinkpad!!07:11
gloinjdub: yeah?07:11
rushibhailoving it.07:11
gloinrushibhai: heh, for a comparibly-featured thinkpad to the 12" powerbook, you'd pay twice as much =] 07:11
Rene_SI was going to work for RIM, they were giving away Blackberry's to successful applicants, never went to the interview07:11
gloinnot saying they aren't nice07:12
zenwhenthe gnome project is serious about wireless integration right now07:12
glointhey are07:12
gloinbut dollars count07:12
rushibhaigloin, i got my R40 with 1400x1050 screen for 1250. whatcha talking about? :)07:12
gloinWhat I really want is one of those mil-spec ruggedized models... I'm hell on wheels on hardware.07:12
rushibhaiglin: if you need thin and light, i thoroughly agree with you tho.07:12
gloinrushibhai: how big is that?  How much does it weigh?  Does it have a combo-drive?  Built-in 802.11g?07:13
linux_galorelol I looked at IBM Thinkpads... I can get a more power full Apple ibook right now cheaper than the prices for a thinkpad07:13
mgoosealrighty fellas, gotta sleep07:13
mgoosenice talking to you all07:13
rushibhaigloin: i pre-empted you heheh.07:13
Rene_SIts bad enough  I have to spend 8900 dollars on a Digital Camera for work, dont need a digital boss as well07:13
gloinlol07:13
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linux_galoreyeah remember the IT code for dumb bosses......and Etcha Skethc is a really neat laptop that has amazing uptime OK07:14
linux_galoresketch*07:14
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linux_galorehmm room died07:15
TreenaksX-(07:15
rushibhaibrb07:15
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linux_galorehmm07:16
zenwhenyeah07:16
LeeColletonif I looking for frog07:17
zenwhenperhaps we should discuss desktop environments :D07:17
LeeColletonhim name is hopkin green frog07:17
TsjoklatI am looking at coffee machines07:17
zenwhenBuy me one07:17
TsjoklatTreenaks fault07:17
zenwhen:) :)07:17
Rene_SI think i can convert my microwave into a embedded linux pda07:17
zenwhenIm getting pulled back in by rhythmbox.07:18
zenwhenI was so happy with mpd.07:18
Tsjoklatwith what?07:18
Tsjoklatmpd?07:18
zenwhenMusic Player Daemon07:18
TsjoklatTreenaks is a walking link machine.. ask for something and he has a link to it07:18
TreenaksTsjoklat: what's my fault?07:18
Tsjoklatoh MPD bleh07:18
zenwhenIts a system damon that plays music07:18
Rene_SMultiple Personality Disorder ?07:18
Tsjoklatthe coffee machine dear07:18
zenwhenyou can kill x and your music keeps playing07:18
Rene_Show you play music with that ?07:18
zenwhen:D07:19
gloinin case anyone wants to help, RalphNader's inittab file is exactly the same as mine, and my computer works correctly.  Can anyone here talk about keymapping perhaps?  I'm not sure how Ubuntu handles it.07:19
TreenaksTsjoklat: you clicked the link :)07:19
zenwhenI made a HOWTO o the forums07:19
TsjoklatTreenaks of course I did :)07:19
TsjoklatI'm sticking with rhythm07:19
zenwhenhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=519407:19
RalphNaderty gloin07:19
zenwhenThats it.07:19
Tsjoklatdoes that font thing you wrote really work zenwhen07:20
zenwhenIt did for me and a few others.07:20
zenwhenThe MPD devs gave me a thumbs up.07:20
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zenwhenSo I figure its an alright howto.07:20
zenwhenThat dude in there was pretty clueless.07:21
Tsjoklatit is goed, I just don't use it :P07:21
zenwhenMPD really isnt for epople who just want to play their music and set somehting up through a GUI.07:21
zenwhenIts really for insane people who want to control their music player in 10000 different ways.07:21
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zenwhenLike me.07:21
zenwhen:D07:22
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Tsjoklatah zenwhen that is just like somebody asking me what a console is.. 'does that play video?'07:22
Rene_SOk I think I am tired I just linked an Icon to my app and then sat here wondering what went wrong07:22
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zenwhenTsjoklat, yeah07:22
zenwhenlol07:22
zenwhennite lamont07:22
Tsjoklatlamont happy sleepers07:22
TsjoklatRene_S old age kicking in07:23
Rene_SOld something07:23
FSK405Cmeh so how does one go about configuring their sound card in ubuntu?07:23
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Rene_SIf i dont get my beauty sleep i wake up looking like Brad Pitt07:23
TsjoklatFSK405C you say: play... damnit I said play07:23
zenwhenFSK405C, what card?07:23
PizbitRene_S: Please rune *grin*07:23
Pizbitrun*07:23
FSK405CTsjoklat: What did I say now eh?07:24
FSK405Czenwhen: An emulated sb16 ;)07:24
zenwhenfun07:24
TsjoklatFSK405C me bad... Treenaks fault07:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: yeah keep blaming me! :P07:24
TsjoklatTreenaks works doesn' it :P07:25
FSK405CTsjoklat: Tree? Who has tree? I need tree! ... oh :P07:25
Rene_SI seen the creepiest thing a while back, I went to Chinatown in Toronto and everywhere I looked there were smiling Val Kilmer pictures07:25
Tsjoklatis he still alive?07:25
Rene_SApparently he lives on the walls of Toronto's Chinatown07:25
RuffianSoldierEveryone who loves Ubuntu - check out www.watsky.net        very very good Ubuntu based distro, called BeatrIX, come to #beatrix       My friend just installed, and is amazed witht he blazing fast Ubuntu goodness (it even has Sudo!)07:26
Tsjoklatand hello to you too Ruffian07:26
Rene_SWow next time try and be more direct, your a little vague on the details07:26
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Tsjoklathe is cute Rene_S Ruffian only says something when he needs to vent07:27
Tsjoklat(which is often I admit)07:27
Rene_SI am cuter, I just say any old thing that comes to mind07:28
TsjoklatRuffian just always reminds me to keep taking my medication07:28
Rene_SGood point, i need to find my Crack err Sleeping aids07:29
Tsjoklathey Treenaks we should run Beatrix07:29
Tsjoklatin honor of our queen07:29
Tsjoklat"I am running queen Beatrix linux... weeeee"07:29
TreenaksTsjoklat: www.republikeinsgenootschap.nl07:29
TreenaksTsjoklat: I won't honor a non-democratic head of state :)07:29
Tsjoklatooooh Bea is a cool twat come on... :)07:30
TsjoklatTreenaks are you trying to get rid of poor ol' Bea?07:30
Treenaksnot actively07:30
Tsjoklattsk tsk... Bea Linux has a neat cat as logo... Burmese I think07:30
Rene_SMan what a sad group photo not one hawaiin shirt in the bunch07:30
Tsjoklatthey look like a bunch of ouwe lullen Treenaks.. no offense07:31
TsjoklatRene_S very bad word if I would translate that in English.. best not :)07:31
TreenaksTsjoklat: they are.. Theo van Gogh was a member though :)07:32
Tsjoklatwas he?07:32
Tsjoklatare they all in hiding now?07:32
Rene_SOh sorry was a spelling mistake07:32
Tsjoklatyou stun me Treenaks07:33
Tsjoklatthat you don't like Bea07:33
TsjoklatI admit.. if only we had Wills07:33
TreenaksTsjoklat: I don't hate her07:33
Tsjoklatbut instead we have to deal with Alexje07:34
TsjoklatI never said you did :P07:34
Rene_SSo who are all those Donald Trump wannabe's in that pic ?07:34
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TreenaksTsjoklat: it's just that I don't like the fact that she inherited her status, instead of gaining it by democratic means07:34
Tsjoklatwhat's next.. you are going to tell me you want it to be like America?07:34
TsjoklatRene_S nobody knows but Treenaks lol07:34
Tsjoklatmaybe it's his relatives07:35
Rene_SI see07:35
TreenaksTsjoklat: NO!07:35
Rene_SThey need new suits07:35
Tsjoklatthey need a party07:35
Tsjoklatso this Bea Linux.. what is it? I can't make cheese out of it07:37
FSK405Cso how to configure sound cards under ubuntu? is there even a ui for that?07:38
zenwhenOH GOD COLD07:38
zenwhenoops07:38
Agrajagoops07:38
zenwhenAgrajag 8)))07:39
Agrajag(((807:39
zenwhenlet me in on this07:39
TsjoklatAgrajag :8))07:40
Agrajagwhat is that, piggy-smile?07:40
Tsjoklatweirdest smile ever07:40
zenwhenIm cold. And my coffee is cold.07:40
Tsjoklatbeats me.. everybody is doing it.. I wanna be cool too07:40
zenwhen:(((07:41
Tsjoklatso 8)))07:41
Tsjoklatweeeeee07:41
=== zenwhen lets Tsjoklat in on this
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zenwhenCan I be the goobye'er?07:46
zenwhen:D07:46
Tsjoklatso what is the 8)) deal07:46
AlJhmm. I'll do that too.07:47
AlJ8))07:47
zenwhenOh07:47
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zenwhenIts a smilie from another irc channel that Agrajag and I frequent.07:47
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Tsjoklatsort of a pissy one isn't it07:47
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zenwhenOh thats the best part.07:47
Tsjoklatlike a racoon on speed or something07:47
pdaoustsooooooooooooo...07:47
AlJI thought it's a smile from Yahoo Messenger.07:47
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pdaoustI've followed the HOWTO on the ubuntuforums.org website on getting FreeNX working... and I'm pretty sure there are some NX-savvy people on this channel... any idea why I would be getting 'authentication failed' without any further explanation? the people in the forum seemed to solve a similar problem, but didn't share the solution with the forum.07:49
pdaoustno idea?07:50
pdaoustyokay then07:50
AbercrombieAnyone here heard of Beatrix?07:50
TsjoklatLOL07:50
Tsjoklatyeah Treenaks is her biggest fan07:51
AlJWho is Beatrix?07:51
Abercrombieits a distro07:51
deFryskA queen07:51
TreenaksBeatrix is the name of the queen of the Netherlands.07:51
Abercrombieits also a distro07:51
Tsjoklathahah07:51
AbercrombieI'm just asking because it has to do with Ubuntu07:51
Tsjoklatour Bea has her own distro07:51
Tsjoklatwho would have thought that07:51
Abercrombiewww.watsky.net07:51
TsjoklatAbercrombie and what is the link between ubu and Bea?07:53
RuffianSoldieri own the #beatrix channel07:53
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Tsjoklatthat's nice Ruffian07:53
Tsjoklatwhat is the link between ubu and Bea?07:54
RuffianSoldierBea is based off Ubuntu07:54
pdaoustsoooooo... nobody has a clue as to why my FreeNX server wouldn't work even after creating keys like a good boy?07:54
AbercrombieI also own the channel :)07:54
Tsjoklatdeb based?07:54
Abercrombieya07:54
deFryskubu is free and bea costs taxpayers money07:54
RuffianSoldiernonono07:54
RuffianSoldiernot at all07:54
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Rodhello07:54
RuffianSoldierhi07:54
pdaousthey, Rod07:54
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Tsjoklatwhat can Bea do for me that ubu can't?07:55
RuffianSoldierits faster07:55
RuffianSoldiercan be installed and ran off a pen drive07:55
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Abercrombieway faster07:55
Abercrombiei installed it in less than 10minutes on my slow system07:55
AbercrombieGnome 2.807:55
Rodi have problems getting on internet with the life cd.. Yesterday I got some commands of someone here on IRC to run to analyse the problem... Would you like the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a?07:55
Tsjoklatso if I understand right... Bea took ubu and build their distro?07:55
RuffianSoldierno07:56
RuffianSoldierthe guys at Ubuntu are amazed with Bea and are wanting there secrets, confronting them with mad cash07:56
Tsjoklatthen what07:56
Rodthe network cards are detected, but still no internte wile I have a simple dhcp setup up... Windows, Gentoo and FC work flawlessly :-/07:56
RuffianSoldierTsjoklat, they use same repositories, and same idea as Ubuntu (sudo - ubuntuized debs_07:57
Tsjoklatmad cash07:57
pdaoustRod: throw the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a into the #flood channel, and I'll take a look at them.07:57
Rodthank you pdaoust07:57
Tsjoklatare you telling me that ubu wants to buy up Bea?07:57
RuffianSoldierno07:57
RuffianSoldierthey want to know how they got an Ubuntu distro under 200MBs07:57
RuffianSoldierthey have been trying07:58
RuffianSoldierand failed07:58
RuffianSoldierbut Bea is great07:58
Tsjoklatand how did they come by the name Bea?07:58
RuffianSoldierits the founders cats name07:58
RuffianSoldierits also the mascot07:58
RuffianSoldierits a Burmese cat07:58
Tsjoklatthe Burmese?07:58
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Tsjoklatyeah I use to breed them07:59
RuffianSoldiercool!07:59
RuffianSoldierSteven Watsky would be happy07:59
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Tsjoklatand where is Watsky located?08:00
Tsjoklatwb zenwhen08:00
ctdRuffianSoldier: Funny thing there's nothing whatsoever about it in google. :>08:00
RuffianSoldierEurope08:00
TsjoklatEurope where?08:00
Tsjoklatbig place Europe08:00
RuffianSoldierctd, actually, thats wehre I found it before it was on distrowatch08:00
zenwhen_oh thanks08:01
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RuffianSoldierCzech08:01
RuffianSoldieri think08:01
Tsjoklatwell I'll give it a go Ruffian08:01
Tsjoklatgot a box laying around08:01
ctdRuffianSoldier: BeatrIX?08:02
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melazyboyRuffianSoldier: do you just enjoy making shit up?08:03
RuffianSoldierno08:03
RuffianSoldierctd, BeatrIX yes08:03
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: You seem to have the mentality of a 2yr old.08:03
Rene_SLets all try and keep this civil08:04
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RuffianSoldiermeazyboy, wtf are you talking about08:04
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melazyboythey want to know how they got an Ubuntu distro under they have been trying and failed08:05
melazyboywhere the hell did you get that..08:05
RuffianSoldierthey want to know how they got an Ubuntu based distro under 200MBs08:06
deFryskRuffianSoldier, i can imagine they want08:06
melazyboy,,, you are complete idiot, sorry channel -- he is deserving.... how do you think they did it?08:06
TsjoklatKlowner Klowner.. isn't that the geezer that makes those fab wallpapers08:06
Rodpdaoust, are you still here?08:06
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, wtf is your problem?08:07
KlownerTsjoklat: I'm only 21, but yes :)08:07
TsjoklatKlowner I love your work! :) thanks for it08:08
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zenwhenmelazyboy, why are you trolling in here?08:08
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KlownerTsjoklat: thanks for the complement, makes me feel special :)08:08
TsjoklatKlowner you are so most welcome :)08:09
RuffianSoldierKlowner, you make cool wallpaper? send me one!08:09
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: Your talking out of your ass, if Ubuntu, a corperatly funded disto with a lengthy development team wanted to make a 200mb distro they can, after all its not without a tradeoff, beatrix logically would have made that speed by either a) compression, or b) cutting packages. Either of which the ubuntu team is fully capable of doing08:09
melazyboyThats my first problem with you.08:09
KlownerRuffianSoldier: klowner.com08:09
zenwhenmelazyboy, why are you being so rude?08:10
RuffianSoldiernice08:10
Rene_SWell this is degenerating into a flamefest, so I am off to bed08:10
melazyboyMy second problem with you is the first thing you did after reading the beatrix article is to jump into the room and get admin privledges and then shout that here, like it is either a) hard to become an admin of an empty channel; or b) ethically right to channel hijack someone elses distro for the cause of mainting admin rights in the event they ever want to use it.08:10
melazyboyzenwhen: Because he has no right to nock the abilitys of the ubuntu devels, in a ubuntu channel.08:11
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, I ask the founder personally for the channel, and I talk to him frequently08:11
zenwhenRuffianSoldier, what specifically was your claim? That Ubuntu couldnt get under 200MB and be useful as a esktop OS?08:12
zenwhendesktop*08:12
Rene_SChildren, why not take this into a private chat space, We dont all need to hear your tantrum08:12
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: I find what you spew hard to swallow -- i too am heading off rather than draging this out to a flamewar...08:12
pdaousthey, folks, any reason why a stock Ubuntu install would turn on IPv6->IPv4 tunnelling by default? I'm trying to help a user in the #flood channel who can't get an IP from his router because his eth0 is stolen and turned into sit0.08:12
RuffianSoldierzenwhen, im not sure exactly what he said, but Ubuntu wanted to know how they got it that low - and were offering cash08:12
zenwhenOh, I was just wondering what got him so all-fired mad.08:13
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, You dont know my situation , so stfu - I asked Steven Watsky (Founder) if I could create the channel, he said sure, and that any help was welcome08:13
zenwhenhey Tsjoklat whats up? :P08:13
RuffianSoldierklowner, NICE Walpapers!08:14
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: Your full of shit and need to find a more selfless hobby than pestering a channel with your inaine blather, suicide for example, ubuntu never offered money to beatrix, you have no backing for that statement08:14
Tsjoklatzenwhen falling asleep by melazyboy's babbling08:14
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KlownerRuffianSoldier: thanks08:14
Rene_SToodles everyone08:14
zenwhenI laughed really hard at the last thing he said. I dindt really read it though.08:14
Tsjoklatnight Rene_S08:15
Rene_STry and not mureder one and other08:15
zenwhenI just saw a spew of profanity.08:15
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, your right, I have no backing for that statement, but I do talk to the founder.08:15
Rene_Swow i need to work on spelling08:15
Tsjoklatawww we are bored Rene_S08:15
Tsjoklatmelazyboy is entertaining us08:15
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: People put the packages into ubuntu-desktop, they can just as easily remove them, Beatrix hasn't created an encryption algo, they ASSEMBLED a lite version of ubuntu lacking in packages. big deal.08:15
Rene_SSee ya08:15
Tsjoklatand here we go: round four08:15
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, hhahahaha, you dont know the half!08:16
Tsjoklatwe need some soda zenwhen be good and fetch us some08:16
pdaoustso I guess that means that nobody has had any experience with IPv6->IPv4 tunnelling, right? :-D08:16
zenwhenI searched for Beatrix and found Harry Potter stuff. D:08:16
melazyboySorry if this is bothering others in channel... in advance... feel free to take a pop at him08:16
Treenakszenwhen: likely.. our prime minister looks like Harry Potter08:16
Tsjoklathahahahah08:16
Treenakshttp://www.tiscali.nl/images/7/6/harry_balkenende1.jpg08:17
zenwhenmelazyboy, its your fight. I dont care if he claims he is the devine inspiration for Ubuntu and he pooped the source from his arse.08:17
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jmhodgesok.. im booted into a ubuntu live cd.. two questions..08:17
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, no need to be an asshole (Sorry for language) you have no reason to act like that, quit it, people dont want to here it!08:17
Tsjoklatzenwhen lmao08:17
melazyboyzenwhen: Im not concered about his claim, im concered about others gullibility08:17
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zenwhenraging on irc is solving this?08:18
jmhodges1) how the hell did it  know what my alias were that i made in a ubuntu install on my hd?08:18
RuffianSoldiernice flux themes klowner!08:18
zenwhenTsjoklat, still want that soda?08:18
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zenwhenoh man that scared me08:19
Tsjoklatzenwhen hell yeah... hit me08:19
jmhodges2) I'm now on to my third boot into a livecd trying to recover some semblance of grub normality.. this time im using one of the LiveCDS that got sent out en masse08:19
zenwhenOne of my friends opened my gaim icon in the gimp and drew a penis on it. I keep forgetting to change it back.08:19
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jmhodgeszenwhen, ouch hehe08:19
zenwhenhttp://zenhardwhere.com/images/gaym.png08:20
zenwhenthat was the result08:20
zenwhenD:08:20
melazyboyzenwhen: No -- like any irc arguement no one will ever win, put pointing out flaws in someones arguement does damage their reputation and thats a form of self-delt karma =/08:20
jmhodgeszenwhen, haha08:21
zenwhenmelazyboy, actually all you did was make me interested in his project and bore me08:21
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zenwhenso it kind of backfired08:21
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frankpsHi all08:21
Tsjoklatare we still flaming?08:21
zenwhenBut this isnt my fight.08:22
frankpsHas someone here installed Beagle?08:22
zenwhenI wont respond to you further.08:22
AbercrombieTsjoklat: www.watsky.net08:22
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swimhi, can ubuntu use debian, or some other distros packages?08:22
melazyboyyes08:23
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, please try it out - you might enjoy!08:23
melazyboyedit your /etc/apt/sources.list08:23
TsjoklatAbercrombie got it going to d/l it.. if only to piss melazyboy off08:23
zenwhenyep08:23
zenwhenMe too08:23
RuffianSoldier:-)08:23
RuffianSoldierYAY!08:23
pdaoustswim: it can use any debian repository; I have a lot of non-Ubuntu repositories in my /etc/sources.list08:23
zenwhenIm very excited08:23
Abercrombie=008:23
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Beatrix:)08:24
RuffianSoldierhi :-D08:24
pdaoustswim: it just sometimes makes dependencies a little harder to figure out, although (truth be told) I've had very few problems.08:24
zenwhenIt would be nice to have it small enough to fit on a 3 inch cd08:24
jmhodgeswho wants to practice their grub-fu ?08:24
zenwhenthat would rock08:24
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melazyboyRuffianSoldier: I fail to see the usefullness of 200mb distro, it won't fit on a floppy and its 550mbps wasted on a cd... on the flip side i coulden't be happier with ubuntu the chat room with its users, the devs that create it... (well maybe with the exception of fglrx not working with xorg 1.8 but i'll live)08:24
zenwhenPocket Gnome08:24
Beatrix#beatrix .... www.watsky.net08:24
swoonsorry did anyone  answer swim? I am swim, but had a connection problem08:24
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jmhodgesswoon, <pdaoust> swim: it just sometimes makes dependencies a little harder to figure out, although (truth be told) I've had very few problems.08:25
jmhodgesswoon, the answer is pretty much yes08:25
jmhodgesbut beware.. Bewaaaaaaare!08:25
pdaoustjmhodges: ha ha08:25
jmhodgeshehe08:25
pdaoustjmhodges: by the way, what's your grub grief?08:25
swoonhrmm ok, I just recieved 10 ubuntu cds in the mail... didnt even order them!08:26
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, it has been modded to be ran off a Pen Drive also08:26
melazyboyI use debian's sid repositories, there are some issues i have assited in trouble shooting that woulden't work without them, problems with k3b lacking libs and such08:26
jmhodgespdaoust, oh, i had to install windows in another partition.. it overwrote my MBR, and somehow my stage2 in my ubuntu part got wiped.. im sitting here 4 days now with no linux besides these lovely livecds08:26
jmhodgespdaoust, i've tried all of the "easy" stuff it seems08:26
jmhodgesi should have written it all down.. damn.08:26
pdaoustjmhodges: got a Mandrake CD kicking around?08:27
jmhodgesim more than willing to go back over it though hehe08:27
jmhodgespdaoust, gah.. maybe.. an old one.. why?08:27
swoonoh I installed ubuntu, and had a kernel panic on boot, that said I should try booting with noapic, but I couldnt figure out how to boot with noapic... incase it happens on next ubuntu install how could I fix that?08:27
pdaoustjmhodges: I dunno; maybe you could use the MBR repair tool on the Mandrake CD.08:27
jmhodgesohh. gotcha08:27
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melazyboyRuffianSoldier: They sell 1g pen drives on thinkgeek as of now, i believe they are 100.00 and they can run the full shebang08:28
pdaoustjmhodges: but I'm sure you can use grub-install for the same purposes. Don't think it's on the Ubuntu LiveCD tho08:28
pdaoustjmhodges: it removed your stage2 too? do you have /boot on a separate partition?08:28
jmhodgeswell.. im thinking i do have this rather large blank space in between the ubuntu and the windows part that i might decide could be great for a temp fresh ubuntu install.. ill let it go in, clean up the grub.. reboot into the old ubuntu part and reinstall/configure grub08:28
Tsjoklatwell at least melazyboy is talking to you again Ruffian08:29
RuffianSoldierhehe08:29
jmhodgespdaoust, i think the stage2 got fscked by a missed type grub shell command08:29
jmhodgespdaoust, i tried grub-install with some help from folks in here but no luck08:29
Tsjoklatdrat guess we have to find other entertaining now zenwhen08:29
Tsjoklatlet's blame Treenaks again08:29
jmhodgespdaoust, and grub-install is on the livecd, it just no worky08:29
melazyboyIll get over it..08:29
swoonanyone?08:29
zenwhenYes08:29
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Tsjoklatyou are what?08:30
zenwhenARG08:30
Tsjoklatimpervious?08:30
zenwhenI cannot remember how much data a 3 inch cdr hold08:30
zenwhens08:30
Treenakszenwhen: 80mm, and 180mb08:30
zenwhenSomeone tell me or my head will cave in.08:30
pdaoustjmhodges: gee... ummmmmmm... I think the last time I had problems like that, I was a pretty green Linux user, so my solution was to reinstall Linux from scratch :)08:30
zenwhenThanks so much.08:30
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, try it - youll like it!08:30
jmhodgeslol08:30
jmhodgespdaoust, fun fun08:30
Tsjoklatask Treenaks for a link... any link08:30
Tsjoklathe'll know it08:30
jmhodgesi've got something around 5 years but all of it with lilo besides my ubuntu install08:31
melazyboyRuffianSoldier: One advantage over Ubuntu?08:31
pdaoustjmhodges: yeah, I liked the 'steamroller' approach back then :)08:31
TreenaksTsjoklat: Link? www.zelda.com?08:31
jmhodgeshehehe08:31
pdaoustjmhodges: five years of data?08:31
Tsjoklat<-- follows every link Treenaks spits out.. what is impervious?08:31
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy, my friend tried Ubuntu - and then BeatrIX  - BeatrIX was faster . way faster        and it has Gnome 2.808:31
jmhodgespdaoust, god no.. five years of linux experience08:31
jmhodgeshahaha08:31
pdaoustjmhodges: ah08:31
jmhodgesi killed my data many times.. perhaps some is left over from one of the Great Purges but i doubt it08:32
pdaoustjmhodges: all my real Linux experience came with Gentoo, which recommends grub...08:32
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melazyboyRuffianSoldier Hoary is using gnome 2.8 =/08:32
TreenaksTsjoklat:   impervious08:32
Treenaks       adj : not admitting of passage or capable of being affected; "a08:32
Treenaks             material impervious to water"; "someone impervious to08:32
Treenaks             argument" [syn: {imperviable}]  [ant: {pervious}] 08:32
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ironwolfswoon: when booting, there should be a varible you can set that does noacpi on the boot line.08:32
Tsjoklathuh huh08:32
Tsjoklatwalking dictionary aswell08:32
RuffianSoldiermelazyboy - just give it a try08:33
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pdaoustjmhodges: I know what that's like; I've purged things by accident before... and then sometimes the hard drive dies on me; I've had two hard drives die in a month.08:33
jmhodgesgahh08:33
pdaoustjmhodges: so, you need your MBR back08:33
pdaousthmmmmmmmmmmm08:33
jmhodgesindeed08:33
jmhodgesjust something to say "boot into /dev/hda1" is all i really need08:33
jmhodgesbut all of this stageX business leaves me confused08:34
pdaoustyeah..... hum.08:34
jmhodgesim used to "hack on /etc/lilo.conf; hit lilo; reboot"08:34
jmhodgesor variations depending on if im on a cd and such08:34
jmhodgeswhat exactly are these stage files anyway?08:35
pdaoustjmhodges: stage1 is the MBR08:36
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pdaoustjmhodges: have you been swapping masters and slaves and cables around?08:38
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bur[n] erhas anyone tried cedega or crossover office on Ubuntu?08:38
jmhodgespdaoust, ahhhh.. not on the harddrives.. why?08:38
Treenakswhat's wrong with openoffice?08:38
bur[n] erTreenaks: something i'd rather not get into atm ;)08:38
pdaoustjmhodges: might not be able to find stage1 and stage2 because it looks for them by their names on the channels08:39
Treenaksbur[n] er: i.e. nothing :)08:39
jmhodgesthere was a cd writer addition but even that was just an addition of hardware.. no actual slave/master swapping08:39
jmhodgespdaoust, gahh..08:39
bur[n] erTreenaks: i have to use Outlook... my employer sends out calendar events in the outlook winmail.dat format08:39
pdaoustjmhodges: in GRUB's case, it looks for them on hd(0,0) or hd(0,1) or wherever the /boot partition might be. But if you didn't change any HDs around, shouldn't be an issue.08:40
Treenaksbur[n] er: doesn't evo grok that?08:40
calamarianyhow happen to know if ppp creates any files or environment vars when online?  Trying to make myself a little connect/disconnect script for pon/poff08:40
bur[n] erno08:40
calamarianyhow -> anyone08:40
jmhodgespdaoust, roger.. then not my issue :-/08:40
bur[n] erin any event, just curious if anyone had experience, but i'll just have to go for it and see if it works out :)08:40
pdaoustjmhodges: oh, here's something I discovered..... one sec, while I double check it08:41
Rodso i just re-install ubuntu, choose for the cd-rom install instead of network one... and add these 4 lines to the interfaces file08:41
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zenwhenahahahhaahhahhahhaha08:41
zenwhensorry08:41
jmhodgespdaoust, cool08:41
zenwhenthe beatrix site is so funny08:41
crimsunRod: yes08:41
Rodalright.. ill be back as soon as possible! can take 45 minutes though.08:42
Tsjoklatzenwhen are you trying to rile up melazyboy again?08:42
crimsunRod: then we can edit your sources.list so you can finish installing from the 'net08:42
zenwhenNo08:42
RuffianSoldierzenwhen - ya, its a great site - its "cozy" - silly08:42
zenwhenHave you read their site?08:42
melazyboywww.5url.com hhahhahahahah08:42
zenwhenif you've got a bit of skill. You can re-compile the Linux08:42
zenwhenlololololllll08:42
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pdaoustmy word, what is that 5url.com?!?08:42
ctdbong.08:42
melazyboyzenwhen: Why is the beatrix site funny?08:43
zenwhenIts a joke.08:43
zenwhenI havent laughed this hard in years.08:43
TsjoklatBeatrIX Linux: Faster than the average moth or butterfly08:43
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Tsjoklatbecause of that08:43
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zenwhenNo08:43
spikyshello08:43
pdaoustjmhodges: do you have a LiveCD of any sort lying around? doesn't matter what type08:44
Tsjoklatthen what08:44
jmhodgespdaoust, im running one right now :)08:44
spikyseveryone is on ubuntu here?08:44
jmhodgesim on the ubuntu warty livecd08:44
pdaoustjmhodges: ah, excellent :)08:44
Tsjoklatno spikys suse08:44
jmhodgeshehe08:44
pdaoustspikys: most of us -- some of us are still in WinXP with network config problems :)08:44
zenwhenThe technical parts. "Linux 2.6.7: If you're moving to Linux from Windows, you may remember the days of the DOS prompt, c:/. This is the same, basically."08:44
pdaoust(spikys: glad to say I'm not in that group myself)08:45
spikysoh ok08:45
king_arthurhi everybody08:45
RuffianSoldierhi08:45
spikysdoes ubuntu have torrent download?08:45
Tsjoklatspikys just kidding.. all ubu and bea in here08:45
pdaoustspikys: that's where I got mine08:45
king_arthuranybody here familiar with the koppix live CD?08:45
zenwhenWhoever wrote this site has no clue what they are talking about. If the same person developed the distro, then melazyboy was totally right.08:45
pdaoustspikys: should be able to find the torrent URIs on the Ubuntu download page somewhere; forget where.08:45
spikystorrent...where's the tracker? can get at the homepage?08:45
pdaoustspikys: yep, I think so08:45
pdaoust(real helpful, eh? ;) )08:46
spikysso is it really a 25 minutes install?08:46
Tsjoklatoh joy another round08:46
Tsjoklatsoda zenwhen?08:46
zenwhenyes08:46
melazyboyzenwhen: Wow i just looked at the site i have to agree i also think its a joke now -- read this. "Beatrix is optimized for _any_ Pentium-class computer of _any_ speed with at least 64megs of ram" that can't be so...08:46
pdaoustspikys: depends on the hardware. I think it took me about 30 min08:46
pdaoustspikys: although I did decide to do some fancy partitioning, and tha tmade it more like 45 min08:46
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spikysok wat...at least not like an hour08:46
pdaoustokay, jmhodges, what we're going to do is get into the environment of your hd-installed Ubuntu08:47
king_arthurI am trying to modify Ubuntu XFreeserver config file according to the Knoppix config file08:47
pdaoustjmhodges: bring up a prompt08:47
spikyserm..another question, ubuntu can only use gnome?08:47
king_arthurcan anybody pls help?08:47
RuffianSoldierhahah08:47
melazyboyBecause the kernel has optimizations for P1, P2/3, P4, and PM machines, as well as requiring bigmem for computers with over a gig of ram08:47
zenwhenhey melazyboy look in #flood08:47
RuffianSoldierspikys, hell no!  I use KDE and Gnome and Flux and XFce408:47
pdaoustjmhodges: first of all, what partition is your Ubuntu installed on?08:47
jmhodgespdaoust, ok, booted up the root term08:47
jmhodgespdaoust, hda1, or (hd0,0) iirc08:47
TsjoklatI feel like my period is coming up08:47
spikysi thought once the installation complete it came wit gnome08:48
pdaoustking_arthur: what are you trying to do specifically?08:48
jmhodgesdefinitely hda1 hehe.. i just think the latter is how grub interprets it08:48
pdaoustokay, jmhodges, mount that somewhere08:48
zenwhenTsjoklat, :(08:48
jmhodgesdone, mounted at /mnt/hda108:48
Tsjoklatzenwhen you hit me!08:48
king_arthurpdaoust: problem is Xserver did not config correctly and doesnt run with warty08:48
pdaoustjmhodges: that's right; just different terminology for Linux and for GRUB08:48
king_arthurpdaoust: tryin to config manually08:48
pdaoustjmhodges: chroot /mnt/hda1 && source /etc/profile08:49
jmhodgespdaoust, of course, i was double checking mygrub knowledge heh08:49
melazyboyking_arthur: Knoppix uses prelinking, ubuntu does not, it's advantages aren't that extensive, they build all of their packages with prelinking enabled08:49
pdaoustjmhodges: that will dump you into your HD-installed enviro08:49
jmhodgespdaoust, oo.. that source i hadnt tried08:49
jmhodgesright.. i had some /dev issues in here before08:49
jmhodgesdone08:49
pdaoustking_arthur: okay, are there any specific spots in XF86Config that you need help with?08:49
king_arthurmelazyboy: that's great but I want the Xserver to work so hat to do?08:50
pdaoustokay, jmhodges, go grub08:50
pdaoust(that's the whole command... just 'grub')08:50
jmhodgesright08:50
jmhodgesinto the grub shell i go08:50
pdaoustking_arthur: and can we see a copy of the error messages X spits out when it crashes, if you have a copy? (post into #flood to keep #ubuntu tidy)08:50
jmhodgespdaoust, done08:50
king_arthurpdaoust: I was considering trying to just copy the XFConfig-4 file from to the other08:50
pdaoustjmhodges: I b'lieve... oh wait, you said the stage2 was screwed08:51
Tsjoklatso where are we in the convo?08:51
pdaoustking_arthur: hmmmmmmm... could work, possibly... dunno... there's a lot of auto-detection stuff and things that might be slightly different08:51
pdaoustjmhodges: okay, quit08:51
pdaoust(using command 'quit')08:51
jmhodgesright08:51
jmhodgesok, now what my man?08:52
jmhodgeswait..08:52
jmhodgeswtf..08:52
jmhodgesmy stage2 is back..08:52
pdaoustjmhodges: maybe it's corrupted?08:52
jmhodgesi must have be smoking something terrible the other night08:52
king_arthurpdaoust: TKS that will need some hacking and time08:52
pdaoust:D08:52
jmhodgespdaoust, possible, lets assume its ok still08:52
jmhodgeswalk me through this.. i think i tried something like this before.. but a hand hold would be nice hehe08:52
pdaoustjmhodges: okay, if we're assuming it's okay, get back into the grub prompt (sorry)08:52
pdaoustking_arthur: what sort of hardware do you have?08:53
king_arthurpdaoust: I have a look but need to restart everything, how about just trying first simple copy08:53
jmhodgespdaoust, nah, no problem.. you went with what you had :D08:53
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pdaoustjmhodges: which wasn't much :D I'm winging it myself.....08:54
king_arthurpdaoust: HP Vectra Pentium I 165 integrated SiS video card08:54
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pdaoustjmhodges: in the grub prompt:08:54
jmhodgespdaoust, hehe08:54
linux_galoreits funny I find this channel more easy going than many of the other distro channels08:54
swimI installed ubuntu a while ago, I got a kernel panic at boot, said I should boot with noapic, how do I that?08:55
king_arthurpdaoust: have tried manual configuration of the Xserver but did not succeed08:55
pdaoustinstall --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0,0)/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 p /grub/grub.conf08:55
pdaoust(that last line was for jmhodges)08:55
jmhodgesnatch08:55
pdaoustking_arthur: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm08:55
pdaoustokay08:55
jmhodgesthats.. interesting..08:55
jmhodgesError 21: Selected disk does not exist08:55
king_arthurpdaoust: whow how do you do all this "brain sharing"? :-)08:55
pdaoustking_arthur: sorry, I forget -- did you already try just copying the Knoppix XF86Config over, or are you still wondering if you should or not?08:55
pdaoustking_arthur: I can't; my brains are leaking out my ears :-D08:56
king_arthurpdaoust: I want to do it08:56
jmhodgespdaoust, see that error08:56
pdaoustgoing into meltdown..............08:56
jmhodges?08:56
pdaoustjmhodges: yeah.....08:56
jmhodgesk :-/08:56
pdaoustdat is bizarre08:56
jmhodgesvery08:56
jmhodgeswait.!08:56
jmhodgesfound it08:56
pdaoustyes?08:56
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swimanyone?08:56
jmhodgesthe /grub/stage2 at the end08:56
jmhodgesnope..08:57
pdaoustno?08:57
jmhodgesoh and the /grub/grub.conf08:57
spikeheadanyone playing nfsu2?08:57
pdaousttry both, eyah08:57
pdaoustwas just about to suggest08:57
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pdaoustspikehead: most advanced game I play is Frozen-Bubble :D08:57
king_arthurpdaoust: so the real question should be how to do it firt08:57
geoffjhi all08:57
jmhodgespdaoust,  perhaps it was the 'p' in there?08:57
pdaoustjmhodges...... hmmmmmmmmmm... dunno08:57
spikeheadpdaoust: ok08:57
jmhodgesor the --stage2 bit?08:57
jmhodgesneeding (hd0,0)08:58
pdaoustjmhodges: owing to the fact that I don't even know what the p is for and I'm just winging it there too! ha! :-D08:58
jmhodgeshehehe08:58
pdaoustking_arthur: well, I guess that if you're not having any luck configuring it the normal ways, you could make a backup copy of XF86Config and copy the Knoppix version over08:58
pdaoustking_arthur: beware, sometimes the new version of XFree86 uses the file XF86Config-4, and if you have both config files, it could get confused.08:59
swimI installed ubuntu a while ago, I got a kernel panic at boot, said I should boot with noapic, how do I that? anybody??08:59
geoffjI have just upgraded my server from sid to hoary and the nfs-kernel-server is not working: when I try from another machine I get connection refused and there is nothing in the server's log files :( help please.08:59
king_arthurpdaoust: that's what I was asking for but I don't know   how to do08:59
jmhodgespdaoust, nada.. even with (hd0,0)/boot/ added as prefixes to everything08:59
pdaoustking_arthur: okay, I getcha08:59
pdaoustking_arthur: are you in a working installed Ubuntu environment right now, or are you in Windows, or are you in Knoppix?09:00
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king_arthurpdaoust: Knoppix right now and xserver works09:00
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pdaoustking_arthur: is Knoppix using the new X.org 6.8?09:00
pdaoustjmhodges: okay, here's what 'help install' tells me:09:01
king_arthurpdaoust: azzzzz how to find out?09:01
king_arthurpdaoust: it's 3.209:01
pdaoustking_arthur: go 'less /etc/X11/xorg.conf' (without quotation marks) -- if it says there's no file like that, then you're using XFree8609:01
king_arthurpdaoust: no no I can see the XFConfig-4 file09:01
pdaoustjmhodges: "If the option 'p' is present, then the first block of Stage 2 is patched with new values of the partition and name of the configuration file used by the true Stage 2 at boot time."09:02
pdaoustjmhodges: there you go. clear as the sludge on the bottom of a swamp.09:02
king_arthurpdaoust: anyway one problem is that knoppix ain't using standard directory09:02
pdaoustking_arthur: ugh, really?09:03
king_arthurpdaoust: well it's all in ram isn't it?09:03
jmhodgespdaoust, hehe09:03
pdaoustking_arthur: some of the stuff is in ram, some is still on the CD09:03
pdaoustjmhodges: I wonder, do you have root access to your new chrooted environment?09:04
pdaoust(I guess what I'm asking is do you have a $ or a #?)09:04
king_arthurpdaoust: had a look it's xfree09:04
pdaoustking_arthur: okay, should work fine copying over then.09:04
king_arthurso question is where can I find my hda1 directories?09:04
pdaoustking_arthur: I'm assuming it's /mnt/hda1 -- that's where some Debian-based LiveCDs put their mounted discs09:05
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jmhodgespdaoust, whoami retursn root09:05
king_arthurpdaoust: have done so but looks empty :-(09:05
pdaoustjmhodges: kay, just wondering if it wasn't able to patch the necessary files and stuff09:05
jmhodgesright09:05
pdaoustking_arthur: that reminds me -- I think it doesn't mount them by default either, so you'll have to go 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1' first09:06
pdaoust:)09:06
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king_arthurpdaoust: OK wiill do so09:06
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jmhodgespdaoust, i think im just going to go with the damnable idea of starting up the ubuntu install..09:07
jmhodgesbleh..09:07
jmhodgesbut it must be..09:07
pdaoustjmhodges: mebbe... but before you do, I'm gonna try to make some sense of this silly grub manual09:07
jmhodgesk09:07
jmhodgesoh, is there a way to install ubuntu from the live cd itself?09:08
pdaoustjmhodges: I've heard people say there isn't09:08
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pdaoust:_S09:08
jmhodgesthats just sillly09:08
king_arthurpdaoust: great that was the problem!!! I will copy and restart and see what happens tks09:08
pdaoustking_arthur: no prob; good luck!09:09
king_arthurpdaoust: see you in a few minutes hold on :-)09:09
jmhodgesi suppose thats why they bundled the live cd and the install cd together09:09
pdaoustjmhodges: think so09:09
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Rodhello :)09:09
pdaoustRod, how's it going?09:09
RodGuess what.. with this install those 4 lines are already in the file09:09
pdaoustRod: thought so; I think the problem goes deeper09:09
RodI have some other interesting news though09:09
RodI told you I have a nvidia 6800 card09:10
pdaoustyep09:10
Rodthe driver in XF86config gets set on nv automaticly, which seems to be ok09:10
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Rodbut X wont start, it says no device detected09:10
pdaoustRod: kinda slow acceleration in my opinion09:10
pdaoustRod: that's weird09:10
Rodso i had to switch to the vga driver, with a screenres of something like 300x20009:10
pdaoustRod: any problems with LiveCDs (or have you tried them?)09:10
Rodso maybe its a motherboard issue?09:11
Rodno, the livecd takes a decent resolution09:11
pdaoustRod: yeah, maybe the nforce3 drivers are just too young and buggy yet...09:11
pdaoustRod: oh, if the LiveCD works, that's weird09:11
Rodnot sure if it's nv, but pretty sure... vga cant take that high res with plenty of colours09:11
pdaoustRod: indeed09:11
pdaoustRod: but maybe it's using the vesafb drivers?09:11
Rodnvidia has some closed sourced drivers on their site... should I take those? :s  although i dont think the other working distro's took these09:12
king_arthurHey guys, can anybody pls tell if there is an app to run irc in trminal (no xscreen)?09:12
geoffjI have just upgraded my server from sid to hoary and the nfs-kernel-server is not working: when I try from another machine I get connection refused and there is nothing in the server's log files :( help please.09:12
crimsunking_arthur: irssi-text09:12
Rodyeah, vesafb could be as well... Never payd attention to that actually09:12
crimsunking_arthur: I also recommend screen09:12
crimsunRod: there are nvidia packages for ubuntu09:12
pdaoustking_arthur: irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n king_arthur works for me09:13
Rodon the cd crimsun ?09:13
king_arthurcrimsun: just apt-get install irssi?09:13
pdaoustking_arthur: the interface is hard to get used to, but it does work in a pinch09:13
crimsunRod: doubtful. you'll download them via apt-get09:13
crimsunking_arthur: sudo apt-get..., or use Synaptic, sure.09:13
pdaoust(if his ethernet driver was working :) )09:13
king_arthurcrimsun: of course :-)09:13
Rod:)09:13
king_arthurpdaoust: it is 8-)09:14
jmhodgespdaoust, hey dont worry about my little issue.. ill just slap a ubuntu install on this empty space on my drive and fix things from there :)09:14
pdaoustjmhodges, thanks :)09:14
crimsunRod: the 6800 is supported for 2d in 4.4.0 or X.Org 6.8+ iirc09:14
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crimsunRod: but Warty ships with a highly modified XFree86 4.3.009:14
geoffjdon't worry I have solved my problem using wiki, thanks09:15
pdaoustMy dad just recently told me about this article he read, that said that multitasking is hugely damaging on the human mind :)09:15
crimsunRod: so you'll need to use 'vesa'09:15
Rodaii ok crimsun09:15
pdaoustking_arthur: I mean Rod, who is having trouble finding the nvidia drivers09:15
Rodwell i can take them from the nvidia website09:15
Rodnot sure how to install the kernel-sources and such09:15
crimsunRod: until you get network up; then you can install linux-restricted-modules.., nvidia-glx, and nvidia-common09:15
Rodis it under the headers package?09:15
crimsunRod: no need for that. Warty already has them packaged; you just need network access to pull the necessary packages from Ubuntu's ftp site.09:16
Rodwell, i can download it now, and copy it over the the linux partition\09:16
melazyboyRod apt-get install kernel-tree09:16
Rodand then install it with dpkg09:16
melazyboyRod: There is a tutorial on the wiki about it09:16
crimsunRod: is network up? Have you installed Warty?09:16
Rodnetwork isnt up crimsun09:16
pdaoustjmhodges: you mean just slap an install into an empty spot, just so it reinstalls the MBR and configures stage1 and stage2 properly? now there's an idea...09:16
Rodstill same errors, except for those 4 lines which are already in the interfaces file09:16
pdaoustRod: yeah, I was thinking you'd still have problems with that.09:17
pdaoustmaybe ask the channel: anybody have any problems with an nForce3 chipset (AMD64 mobo), and Ubuntu not finding the drivers for the network card?09:17
crimsunRod: is forcedeth loaded?09:18
pdaoust(thinking to myself, how is he gonna apt-get the nvidia drivers without a 'Net connection.......)09:18
Rodafaik not crimsun09:18
crimsunRod: you need to load it09:18
Rodbut i loaded it before, but it didnt gave me internet or whatso ever09:18
pdaoustRod: you were having problems loading it, weren't you09:18
jmhodgespdaoust, yep09:18
pdaousthm09:18
jmhodgespdaoust, that was my fall back plan09:18
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crimsunRod: sudo modprobe forcedeth09:18
Rodpdaoust, only on debian it gave me an error.. on ubuntu it doesnt give me any output, which is good i think09:18
pdaoustjmhodges: that's an idea... maybe go into advanced mode, so you only have to install the basest of systems09:18
crimsunRod: that should return you immediately to a prompt09:18
jmhodgespdaoust, think i will :)09:18
pdaoustRod: that's interesting... I hope that's good :)09:19
jmhodgesk, hopefully see you folks either tonight or when i get up in the morning09:19
jmhodgeslater!09:19
Roddo I need to enter other commonds to get connection to the network after running the modprobe command?09:19
crimsunbye jmhodges09:19
pdaoustrighto, jmhodges, good luck :)09:19
crimsunRod: sudo ifup eth009:19
Rodok09:19
Rodthat should do it :)09:19
pdaousthopefully :)09:19
jmhodgesthanks09:19
Rodsee you hopefully soon in ubuntu ;)09:19
pdaoustrighto.09:20
pdaoustactually, I'm probably not gonna be there when Rod gets back... I'm falling asleep... but before I leave, does anybody know how to get rid of that bastardly authentication problems that have been plaguing Ubuntu users who try to install the FreeNX packages?09:20
pdaoustI reeeeeeeally wanna use my computer from a remote machine :)09:20
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crimsunsorry, I have no experience with NX09:21
pdaoustyokay, no prob09:21
pdaoustworked so easily on Gentoo...09:21
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pdaoust(but, as a tradeoff, everything ELSE works so easily on Ubuntu, as compared to Gentoo :-D )09:22
pdaoustrighto, folks, I'm knackered. I'm going to bed.09:22
king_arthurpdaoust: it is working!!! knppix an immensely resorcefoul thing!! thank knoppix, thank you ubuntu, thank you pdaoust!! :-)09:23
pdaoustking_arthur: hey, that's good news! Glad it worked for you; I was kinda expecting it not to.09:23
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king_arthurpdaoust: 8-)09:23
king_arthurpdaoust: my real question is wy did it not work in first instance?....09:24
king_arthurpdaoust: I did two installs and replaced a card just to be extra sure09:24
crimsunni pdaoust09:33
pdaoustking_arthur: not sure, really... maybe the onboard SiS hardware was too exotic for it?09:33
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king_arthurpdaoust: 8 years old 800x600 resolution?09:33
pdaoustking_arthur: hmm, yeah, you'd think they'd have support for that by now ^_^09:33
pdaoustking_arthur: Knoppix puts a *lot* of work into making sure their LiveCDs boot up on every conceivable piece of hardware under the sun, so maybe they've put more work into it than the Ubuntu devs have?09:33
pdaoustcrimsun: sorry, what does 'ni' mean?09:33
crimsunpdaoust: 'night.09:33
pdaoust(I'm new to this 'Intarweb' thing)09:33
pdaoustcrimsun: ah09:33
pdaoustthanky09:33
crimsunor 'morning09:33
pdaoustyeah, it's 0026 hours, for those of you who do things the military way :)09:33
pdaoustI shoulda gone to bed ages ago09:33
pdaoustsee ya later folks.................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz09:33
melazyboyI would agree09:33
melazyboynopix is wonderfull09:33
melazyboystart it, kill of modules untill shit breaks09:33
king_arthurpdaoust: so a matter of may be just clever German tuning of opensource s/w09:33
melazyboyThats the module im missing!!!09:33
melazyboyexcelent way to get stuff done09:33
pdaoustking_arthur: that's my guess. Some people will say that the distro isn't important; it's the technology behind it -- but some distros are just better for certain things out of the box09:33
pdaoustanyway, I'm gonna fall unconscious and slide off my chair prtty soon...09:33
melazyboyI agree, knopix is good for popping in a CD and having the question "will this work with less than 100hrs of labor" answered instantly, if it doesn't work on knopix chances are your better off buying new equipment09:33
Tsjoklatuse Bea linux :P09:33
Treenaksmelazyboy: that's why the Ubuntu Live CD rocks :)09:33
Treenakshm.. I know the local PC store owners.. I might give them a few Ubuntu discs (and buy a working webcam: tested with the live CD :))09:33
zenwhenBea linux LMAO09:33
Tsjoklatyou gotta keep one cd Treenaks!09:33
TreenaksTsjoklat: I know :)09:33
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Tsjoklatyou can always hand out Bea Linux cds?09:33
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melazyboyTreenaks: While i would handsdown give ubuntu the 'best all around' os, i would still have to handle net compatibility to knopix, thats all they do..09:33
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melazyboyAnyway im off to bed if anyone has anything important im on aim or whatever othr im network09:33
melazyboytomorrow is saturday... still no work, muahah09:33
Tsjoklaton AIM?09:34
Tsjoklatwhat do we use? meboredboy?09:34
melazyboyclose,09:34
melazyboybet you can get it on your second guess =)09:34
albertpdaoust> this is king?arthur on ubuntu :=)09:34
albertjsut getting used to different keyboard09:34
Tsjoklatmehatebealinux?09:35
albertsome minor tweaks for the interface09:35
melazyboyNot enogh hate to waste it with a distro of linux =/09:35
melazyboyill use it more constructivly in the real world09:35
albertbtw how do I change nick on a irc channel09:35
melazyboytype /nick name09:36
melazyboywhere name is what you want09:36
melazyboyassuming you are using irc2, bitchx or irssi =/09:36
albertX-chat09:36
melazyboyprobably the same09:36
albertbut /nick didnt work09:37
melazyboyit seems to be an unspoke client standard, /nick or /name, /leave or /part, /join, /server09:37
melazyboythey aren't to creative.. /whois /who /ban /kick09:37
albertnoluck09:38
melazyboy... having a hard time believing both /nick and /name09:38
melazyboydidn't work09:38
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jirwinhello09:38
melazyboy,,,09:39
jirwinI am having trouble getting postgres support for php with apache2 using synaptic09:39
jirwinI was curious if someone could point me in the right direction09:40
jirwini have installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php409:41
jirwinand php works09:41
melazyboyapt-cache search postgre php09:50
jirwini have installed postgres09:50
melazyboyIm not sure, i use perl and the DBI/DBD09:50
melazyboyand mysql09:50
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Rodargh I give up :009:50
jirwinwell I mean09:50
RodI'd do better posting this on a forum, wouldnt I?09:50
jirwinphp4 has a bunch of modules for it09:50
jirwinhow do I get those to work with the phpmodule for apache09:50
melazyboyjirwin: I didn't think php4 had modules, i thought it just had an oversized engine =/09:50
melazyboyjoking no flamewars lol09:50
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jirwinheh.09:50
jmhodgeswoo09:50
jmhodgesim back in my original ubuntu install09:50
melazyboynot sure jirwin, i would take this question to either our #php on freenode, or #php or #php-help on efnet09:50
jirwinany ideas on how to do that?09:50
jirwinoh ok thanks09:50
melazyboysry =/09:50
crimsunRod: what happened?09:50
jmhodgesnow to figure out how the heck the install cd auto-detected the other operating systems on this hard drive and how to make it "see" another partition as a part of LVM09:50
Rodpff I cant even get these binaries working crimsun09:50
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jmhodgeswhen i didnt use LVM inthe install09:50
jmhodgesok.. first things first..09:50
Rodthe install goes ok.. but then i need to edit /etc/modules.conf.. but that isnt there09:50
Rod*the install of the nvidia drivers09:50
jmhodgeshow does Ubuntu detect the other operating systems and then auto-adds them to the grub set up?09:50
calamarihi09:50
Tsjoklatit smells it09:50
calamariwhen I go to uninstall some of the default apps, it also wants to uninstall ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop.  If I uninstall those will it break everything?09:50
frankpsCan somebody please tell me how I can get listed optional files that I can install through apt?09:50
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jmhodgesTsjoklat: hehe, but i suppose i'd like to see what the sniffing software was09:50
melazyboycalamari: No but there is a logical downside09:50
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jmhodgesperhaps a dpkg-reconfigure would be enough09:50
calamarimelazyboy: what'09:50
calamaris that?09:50
melazyboycalamari: As i see it, if you break the ubuntu-base install then when a new version of ubuntu-base is released you won't receive notification with upgrade, or dist-upgrade, because you have already removed the meta package that contains all of the ubuntu programs09:50
calamarijust that I won't know which apps are ubuntu and which aren't?09:50
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frankpsszia Potn: Mar itt is vagy?09:50
jdubcalamari: what are you removing, out of interest?09:50
melazyboyso in the event the ubuntu commity decides to remove packages, or add new packages, they will modify ubuntu-desktop to include the new definition, then when people go dist-upgrade, or upgrade, they will get the new version removing or adding the changes made to the distro, you will loose the meta package and forfit that functionality if you want it back you will have to apt-get install it manually assuming you remember09:50
frankpsMondja mar egy csatornat a hol nem vagy :-)09:50
calamarijdub: I wanted to remove a bunch of things, like emacs, vim, evolution, rhythmbox, more later09:50
jirwinhey...how would I recompile a package?09:50
calamariI didn't finish looking because I wasn't sure about the dependencies09:50
spacey`kipoor vim ;(09:50
melazyboyIf you see where im going -- by my understanding other than the graphical installer, ubuntu is esentially a small debian installation with macro to apt-get a big all encompassing package, ubuntu-desktop09:50
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calamarispacey`ki: time for the editor wars!09:50
Tsjoklatspacey`ki :P09:51
ironwolfany samba experts around that know how to enable "signing support" ?09:51
calamariI am actually looking for a textpad substitute09:51
melazyboytextpad is supposed to run pretty good with wine09:51
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melazyboythats my second fav, i learned vim..09:51
calamariI need an editor with the concept of virtual cursor space09:51
melazyboylike vim's visual block?09:52
melazyboyctrl+v09:52
calamarimelazyboy: hmm, maybe I'll bite the bullet and install wine then, if the universe package lists ever finish downloading :)09:52
spacey`kimelazyboy, what is that visual block?09:53
ironwolfsamba? anyone?09:53
spacey`kiironwolf, i prefer a beer;)09:54
calamariyay for uninstallable dependencies09:54
melazyboyspacey`ki: lets say you have 100lines of code, in a 'if' condiditonal, and you delete the encapsulating if statement09:54
melazyboywhat do you do?09:54
melazyboywell in vim you can enter in visual mode and highlight one vertical block of tabs for 100 lines, and delete them09:55
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melazyboy... or of coarse you can run a 1,100s/^\t//;09:56
jmhodgesthe hell?09:56
jmhodgessince when did openoffice depend on kde stuff in hoary?09:56
melazyboyjmhodges: What exactly are we talking about09:57
jmhodgeseh?09:57
jmhodgeshehe09:57
melazyboyjmhodges: Define 'stuff'09:57
jmhodgesone sec.. jackd, kdelibs-bin etc09:58
jmhodgeskdelibs-data, libarts109:58
melazyboyI dont have kdelibs-bin installed09:58
jmhodgeslibjack0.80.jesus.im.not-writing-this-out09:58
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jmhodgesmelazyboy: well, seeing as ijust updated and i had a conflict error in openoffice.org-debian-files i thought i would uninstall it and then reinstall but now its coming up with all of these new dependencies09:59
Tsjoklatlol09:59
jirwinhey...is there anyway to recompile a package installed with apt?09:59
Tsjoklatyou must have enabled kde support jmhodges09:59
jmhodges??09:59
Tsjoklatthe mimelink thing09:59
jmhodgeshow the hell did i do that?09:59
jirwinsuch as compiling apache with php support09:59
calamariwhy doesn't the universe include libglib1.2 or libgtk1.2?  everything gnome seems to depend on them10:00
Tsjoklatooo has a package called mimelink for use with/on kde10:00
jmhodgesmimelink? there was something of that nature.. i dont know how it got there.. but i removed it10:00
melazyboyjmhodges: I already upgraded today, and when i apt-get --purge remove those pkges you just mentioned none of them list at all, never mind claiming as a dependant for openoffice, kind of odd =/10:00
TsjoklatOpenOffice.org MIME bindings for KDE10:01
TsjoklatOpenOffice.org is a full-featured office productivity suite that provides10:01
Tsjoklata near drop-in replacement for Microsoft(R) Office.10:01
TsjoklatThis package contains the OpenOffice.org KDE MIME bindings for use with10:01
TsjoklatKDE and KOffice.10:01
jmhodgesi know.. i just upgraded just now however.. and iirc debian's pkgs get synced in late/early10:01
jmhodgesTsjoklat: i found that, and i removed it before trying to reinstall openoffice.. the depends are the same..10:01
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Tsjoklatpurge it?10:02
ulisse_Hi Channel!10:02
Tsjoklatlog out?10:02
jmhodgesrestarting synaptic..10:02
jmhodgesthat didnt do it10:02
jmhodgesi cant purge it via synatpic oddly10:02
ulisse_someone using hoary?10:02
Tsjoklatwacky10:02
Rodthanks for the help crimsun and the other guy whom i forgot the name of :)10:02
Tsjoklatjmhodges: console type dpkg -l packagename10:03
Tsjoklatwhat does it give you10:03
ironwolfulisse_: I am, whatcha need?10:03
ulisse_ironwolf, since alst update (yesterday) I found changes in the "computer://" folder10:03
ulisse_it seems it is no more looking into fstab10:04
jmhodgesTsjoklat: http://www.pastebin.com/12384610:04
Tsjoklatlemme look jmhodges10:04
jmhodgesbah, that must be wrong10:04
ulisse_before I saw my partitions as disks, in that folder10:04
jmhodgesi thought i had the name right.. thats what it shows as in synaptic10:04
jmhodgesor i thought it was..10:04
Tsjoklatit's purged10:05
jmhodgesyep thats what it is10:05
Tsjoklathoary?10:05
jmhodgesok then..10:05
jmhodgesyeah hoary10:05
ironwolfulisse_: what do you see now?10:05
ulisse_but now I cannot mount my partitions with a rightclick...10:05
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Tsjoklatmaybe it got warped?10:05
jmhodgesTsjoklat: argh..10:05
jmhodgesthats what im afraid of10:05
Tsjoklatdid you check bugzilla?10:05
jmhodgesill have to hope and pray that this is just a debain sync up problem10:06
jmhodgesnot yet10:06
pepsi_does whorey have xorg?10:06
Tsjoklatif anyone else has the same issue?10:06
jmhodgeswill do10:06
ulisse_I see the cdroms, the floppy, the network and the filesystem10:06
Tsjoklatwhorey... lol10:06
plasmopepsi_: yes10:07
BurgundaviaPeltoilves: hoary does yes10:07
Tsjoklatwe went from warts to whores10:07
jmhodgesTsjoklat: not seeing it10:07
melazyboyxorg blows10:07
melazyboyxorg--10:07
Tsjoklatyou could file a bug report about it... or zit it out for a tad?10:07
melazyboyand its hoary =D10:07
Tsjoklatit does melazyboy10:07
jmhodgesTsjoklat: i think ill wait until tomorrow night.. and then ill freak out :)10:07
pepsi_why does everyone want xorg then?10:08
jmhodgesim just hoping that this is just a sync up problem10:08
ironwolfulisse_: that's waht I see. :( sorry10:08
Tsjoklatyeah sounds like a plan :)10:08
Tsjoklatpepsi just like everybody wants firefox: to be ubercool10:08
jmhodgespepsi_: because its a more modular design, and it makes pretty things like transparency happen correctly10:08
melazyboypepsi_: Because everyone has fancy nvidia cards and poor me is stuck with a puney ati =/10:08
jmhodgeshehe10:08
pepsi_lol, who cares about graphics cards :P10:08
jmhodgessame here.. i just gto this vid card too10:08
ulisse_ironwolf, do you have a partition that is not automatically mounted at startup?10:08
TsjoklatI got both10:08
Tsjoklatthought ATI was the state of the art10:08
Tsjoklatpaid for more the damn thing10:09
jmhodgeshehe10:09
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melazyboypepsi_: Well with xfree i had 3d acceleration and the fglrx drivers =/ on xorg i have stupid 2d ati drivers that aren't 1/3 as good10:09
pepsi_i dont care about 3d10:09
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jmhodgespepsi_: well, thats great for you :).. us however..10:09
jmhodgesTsjoklat: bastard hehe10:09
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jmhodgess/us/we/10:10
melazyboy*is jealous of Tsjoklat for having no affiliation with Texas, and owning an nvidia card*10:10
Tsjoklatjmhodges sowwy :P10:10
jmhodgeshehe10:10
pepsi_so 3d aside, how is xorg compared for xfree86?10:10
Tsjoklathahahah10:10
pepsi_to10:10
Tsjoklatyou're smart or you ain't :)10:10
jmhodges<jmhodges> pepsi_: because its a more modular design, and it makes pretty things like transparency happen correctly10:10
jmhodgespepsi_: ^10:10
pepsi_k10:10
jmhodgesits prettier, its faster, and its lighter10:10
melazyboypepsi_: Xorg has a different license... and thats about it!!!!10:10
jmhodgesand that too10:11
jmhodgeshehe10:11
pepsi_ok10:11
melazyboypepsi_: The other changes include, xfree86-4.conf -> xorg.conf10:11
pepsi_are many of you using hoary?10:11
Tsjoklatand it sucks donkey balls10:11
ironwolfulisse_: all of mine mount correctly.10:11
melazyboyand uh .. wait thats the only other change noticable without state of the art benchmarking10:11
ironwolfpepsi_: hoary user here.10:11
plasmopepsi_: is cokie or pepsi better? :|10:11
melazyboyTsjoklat: Well phraised10:11
pepsi_coke10:11
rocky_G/day ppl10:11
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jmhodgespepsi_: me, and i think this is my 2nd time of getting ever so slightly fucked by it10:11
jmhodgespepsi_: bewaaaaare!10:11
plasmo;)10:12
pepsi_jmhodges: howso?10:12
Tsjoklatdr. Pepper10:12
plasmorocky_: gday mate10:12
ironwolfpepsi_: it's a development release.  It's very, very fluid... sometimes that breaks things, sometimes that breaks LOTS of things.10:12
jmhodgespepsi_: for instance, a little while a go when the Ubuntu reops synced up with Debian's repos and the Deb repos had a borked sed pkg..10:12
rocky_how you doing plasmo10:12
melazyboyYea ubuntu isn't like sid, when they say it can break, they mean it will break.10:13
plasmogood good ;)10:13
melazyboyerr s/ubuntu/hoary/;10:13
jmhodgespepsi_: imagine finding out you can't install or remove anything :) but that only lasted a day..10:13
pepsi_hrm10:13
Tsjoklathoary is worse then sid10:13
jmhodgespepsi_: things break, c'est la vie.. i like having the shiny new gaim etc10:13
Tsjoklatsid ppl wait for fixes in hoary10:13
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jmhodgesTsjoklat: haha, what?10:13
Tsjoklatsid blokes wait for fixes in hoary before they throw it in their rep10:14
pepsi_how can i see whats all in the hoary repositories?10:14
melazyboypepsi open up an html browser10:14
melazyboyand go it out10:14
melazyboylol10:14
ironwolfpepsi_: hoary is like sarge+sid, mixed with a fair helping of 'experimental'10:15
Tsjoklathoary is like sid and beyond10:16
melazyboyI would argue thats in large misleading ironwolf, because sid has packages in it that are what 2 yrs old? where as all of hoary's were built in the past month?10:17
Tsjoklatread above10:17
jmhodgeshoary is like taking crack, shrooms and washing it down with a nice gulp of liquid acid10:17
jmhodgesi like tossing in hyperbole10:17
Tsjoklatcomes close jmhodges10:17
plasmo^ lol10:17
jmhodgeshehe10:17
jmhodgesalright, 0417 and im making bad narco jokes.. time for sleep10:18
jmhodgesthanks folks10:18
plasmonight10:18
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jmhodgesnight10:19
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Tsjoklattoodles jmhodges10:19
Maligantanyone know how to configure auto-login?10:19
b_e_n_zMaligant, gdmsetup10:20
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MaligantThanks benz... that was too easy10:21
jmhodgesMaligant: nice gui way .. go to Computer>System Configuration>Login Screen Setup10:21
Tsjoklatjmhodges: go away :P10:21
ironwolfmelazyboy: some of sid is older.  Most of experimental is fairly new.  Some of hoary is older, some is new.  The important thing is that it's a development release.  Not ready for stable/productional use.10:21
jmhodgesTsjoklat: hehe, im going im going10:21
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melazyboyAnyone here in houston, or texas?10:23
Tsjoklatonly you melazyboy10:23
melazyboyTsjoklat: Thanks self esteem is soaring..10:23
Tsjoklatmelazyboy sowwy.. it is Treenaks fault.. he made me type it10:23
melazyboythats right always defer the blame10:24
Tsjoklatit is true10:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: I did?10:24
TsjoklatTreenaks does it all10:24
TreenaksI do?10:24
Tsjoklatyes tomorrow it is iz10:24
TreenaksTsjoklat: oh ok :)10:25
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Tsjoklat:)10:25
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Tsjoklatand if he is MIA ... we'll take joolz10:25
TreenaksTsjoklat: or tering ;)10:25
Tsjoklatyes let's use tering :)10:25
Tsjoklatmight as well :P10:25
Tsjoklatnight everybody be good10:29
melazyboyno.10:29
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melazyboygood night10:29
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calamariahh.. bump-media-player that's more like it.  I wish I could have it minimize to the system tray only tho.. even cd player doesn't seem to do that10:34
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melazyboymp3blaster =D10:35
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calamarihehe10:36
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dadgood evening eneryone10:42
dadeveryone ?10:42
lool_evening_ ?10:43
loolwhat country is this :)10:43
dadjapan10:43
dadi think:)10:43
looloh yeah sorry, should've seen that10:43
dadnp10:44
dadis it ok to ask a question?10:44
dadoh well  - ummm force monitor refresh rate in XF84Conf10:45
dadstuck at 60 but want 7010:46
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dadhmm bit like fishing lol10:50
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dadanyone know if a single setting of 70  instead of 30-80 for refresh rate in XF86Conf will force refresh rate or not?10:54
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timodoes anybody know how to install the distutils for ptyhon-2.3.4 ?11:04
timoi get the following error: AttributeError: DistributionMetadata instance has no attribute 'get___doc__'11:07
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Kamiontimo: install the python-dev package11:07
timoyes i tried that11:08
timobut its not listed in synaptic11:08
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the_stickAaaah11:13
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the_stickI just installed ubuntu , how do I change the res+refresh rate ?11:13
the_stickbtw .. it looks awesome11:13
Kamiontimo: python2.3-dev?11:14
Kamiontimo: it's probably not on the CD11:15
the_stickhuh ?11:15
the_stickoh11:15
fabbionehey Kamion11:15
Kamionhi fabio11:15
fabbioneKamion: you have plenty of nice udebs in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/11:15
Kamionhooray11:15
Kamionnice work11:16
timoits not on the cd and i didnt find it on the packet sources11:16
fabbioneKamion: let see if they work first :-)11:16
Kamionpython-dev | 2.3.4-1ubuntu1 |         warty | all11:16
Kamiondefinitely in warty11:16
the_stickcan someone please help me ? *_*11:16
Kamiontimo: for hoary we've moved distutils into the main python package11:16
timowhich packet source do i need???11:16
timowarty -> hoary?11:17
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Kamionno, warty should be just fine11:17
Kamionyou need 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main'11:17
timoso hoary is the upcoming release?11:17
Kamionyes, April 200511:17
timook thx i'll try that11:17
Kamionit's still kind of flaky sometimes11:17
the_stickit says my monitor can handle only 60hz @ 1024x768/11:18
the_stickcan you read this ?11:19
fabbioneKamion: i am off for a while.. let me know (via email) if something is broken11:21
fabbioneKamion: i will be able to look at them tomorrow or max monday11:22
Kamionfabbione: ok; may not be around much myself today, though11:22
fabbioneKamion: eheh don't worry11:22
fabbioneKamion: if there are problems, i want to get them fixed before i start working on 2.6.911:22
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timoKamion: when searching for "python-dev" i only get the match "libboost-python-dev"11:25
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Kamiontimo: it's definitely there; try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-dev' at a terminal11:29
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timook i'll do11:31
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timoKamion: thx a lot, now its downloading at least :> but im sure it was not listed in synaptic..11:33
Kamiondid you hit "Reload" in synaptic after editing repositories?11:33
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timono.. but it restarted the whole synaptics many times11:33
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timoor wasnt that enough?11:34
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CardinalSinhi all.11:35
timoKamion: yes, that was my fault.. after hitting the reload button it suddenly appeared11:35
Kamionrestarting isn't enough, indeed; reload is the equivalent of 'apt-get update'11:36
CardinalSinnewish Ubuntu user question. can i run "nautilus --no-desktop --browser" as root (or sudo)? if so how?11:36
timobut woudnt it be kind of more user-friendly if restarting would be combined with offering a reload?11:36
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CardinalSini don't want to have to open a root terminal every time.11:37
Kamiontimo: reload is expensive, particularly over dialup11:38
Kamiontimo: there'd be a riot if dialup users had to fetch the Packages files every time they started synaptic11:38
Kamionalthough *offer* a reload, maybe; dunno ...11:38
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Matt|hi there. I'm a bit unfamiliar with apt. Can someone help me out? Is there a utility for removing unneeded dependencies? So, after installing a package which has required 5 dependencies, after removing that package, how can I remove the unwanted dependencies?11:39
timono, not a forced reload every startup, but a dialog telling the user that his package list could be out of date or something11:40
Matt|?11:40
KamionMatt|: deborphan11:41
KamionMatt|: aptitude can do it too, if you always installed packages with aptitude11:41
Matt|Kamion, ok thanks, I don't have that package but I will look for it11:41
Matt|no i don't use aptitude11:41
lifelessah, so ... use aptitude :) did you know it can be run like apt - that is aptitude install foo'11:42
Matt|yes11:42
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Matt|but i use synaptic ;p11:42
RubenVare these invalid module format errors on ndiswrapper normal?11:43
RubenVor should i lock my version to .1011:43
Matt|has anyone tried the new kernel image btw?11:43
RubenVMatt|: just installed it11:43
RubenVnot yet booted11:43
Matt|me neither11:43
RubenVseems like lots of minor fixes11:43
RubenVnothing big11:43
Matt|:(11:44
Matt|you've had a look at the changelog?11:44
RubenVlooks like lots of sparc stuff11:44
Matt|:(11:44
Matt|anything to acpi?11:44
RubenV(quick look though)11:44
RubenVlemme see11:45
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RubenVmostly sparc stuff11:45
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Matt|Kamion, when  run deborphan with no flags it lists some packages which seem important. Does it literally mean that nothing depends on those packages it lists?11:49
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KamionMatt|: what packages?11:49
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Matt|a number of gstreamer packages11:49
Matt|i don't know if i use them or not11:49
KamionMatt|: yes, I don't believe deborphan will ever list a package that is depended on by something installed11:49
tensorheya! can i view divx movies with the totem movie player? are there divx codecs for ubuntu?11:49
KamionMatt|: if you aren't sure it might be better to leave them installed11:50
Matt|yeah probably :)11:50
Matt|what about libgtkhtml2-0?11:50
Matt|sounds important ;)11:50
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KamionMatt|: if you mean the new kernel image in hoary, it shouldn't change anything from a user point of view11:51
Matt|Kamion, k11:51
Matt|yeah i did mean that11:51
faisalhow do I mount my other NTFS and windows partitions in linux ?11:51
Kamion'apt-cache showpkg libgtkhtml2-0' will tell you reverse-deps11:51
faisalI'm pasting from the root window11:52
Kamionalthough I think that includes uninstalled packages11:52
faisalroot@ubuntu:/ # mount dev/hdc111:52
faisalmount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab11:52
Matt|faisal, it's mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc# /mnt_point, but do it with care because you could destroy the windows partition if you try and write to it11:52
Kamionfaisal: pmount /dev/hdc111:52
Kamionyou don't need to be root for that11:53
faisalok11:53
Matt|i would suggest making it read only tho11:53
Kamiontrue, pmount doesn't let you pass options and always mounts rw11:53
Matt|or has ntfs support got better in linux now?11:53
faisalroot@ubuntu:/ # mount dev/hdc111:53
faisalmount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab11:53
Kamionso 'sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /some/directory'11:54
Kamionfaisal: you didn't read carefully11:54
Kamionbut sorry, pmount won't work on a non-removable device, so ignore me11:54
faisalsorry i tried that11:55
Matt|faisal, as kamion says, try the command "sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows"11:56
Matt|faisal, you have to make the directory /mnt/windows first if you don't have it11:56
faisaloh11:56
Matt|Kamion, sorry to tap off your apt knowledge, but how can I use apt-cache to search which packages I have installed?11:56
Matt|and if I do an apt-cache rdepends libgtkhtml2-0, are the packages its showing me ones which i have installed, or are they just all the packages which might depend on it11:58
Kamion"how can I use my coffee machine to make tea?" :-)11:58
Kamiontry 'dpkg -l'11:58
Matt|k11:58
Matt|coffee machines make tea... and hot chocolate... and soup, some of them11:58
Kamionapt-cache rdepends is showing all reverse-dependencies it knows about, not necessarily just installed ones11:58
Matt|yeah ok cool11:59
Matt|right I'm getting there11:59
Matt|Kamion, thanks for ya help11:59
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Matt|Kamion, is there a command which removes all orphaned packages? a really unsafe command...12:01
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Matt|Kamion, ok i see it, don't worry12:03
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faisalhow do i get into my root asccount in ubuntu?12:06
Matt|faisal, you use sudo to get temporary root privileges12:06
mjrI believe that's a faq12:06
faisalsorry12:07
Matt|mjr, i believe this is a help channel12:07
Matt|faisal, type "sudo" before commands when you need to be root12:07
faisalat 60hz, xchat black window is the only bearable window12:07
faisalok12:07
faisalhow do i stop x server ?12:08
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mjr/etc/init.d/gdm stop12:09
Matt|faisal, log out, then do CTRL ALT F1, then log in to the console, and stop gdm12:09
faisal<-- will stop askinfg Q's when the nvidia driver is installed12:09
faisalok12:09
faisalthanks12:09
mjr(with sudo)12:09
jindHow do I uninstall a deb package?12:11
Matt|apt-get remove package is nice12:11
jindThanks :)12:11
jindCheckinstall is nice too ;)12:11
jindhmm, it's a locally installed package12:12
calamariif I want to add something to the PATH globally, what file does it go in?12:12
jindIsn't apt-get only for remetly fetched packages?12:12
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ctdjind: apt-get remove applies for all installed debs12:14
Matt|is it not working?12:14
calamarinm12:15
jindctd, thanks :)12:15
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Vince-0calamari - u find that file ?12:19
zopyis it possible to add by default Gartoon Icons => http://zeus.qballcow.nl/icons.php ?12:21
zopyor you want to make your own ?12:22
ctdbob2: How does one usually change consoles on this hardware?12:22
Vince-0no idea12:23
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bob2ctd: change consoles?12:26
bob2like chvt?12:27
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the_stickLinux is tough12:27
the_sticklot's of new stuff to learn o_O12:27
bob2well, if you haven't used it before12:27
bob2windows is confusing to me after not using it for years12:27
the_sticki used SuSe12:27
the_stickfor a day12:28
the_stickvery slow and unstable12:28
bob2it shouldn't be, don't forget to file bugs!12:28
the_stickbut this ubuntu this is very fast12:28
the_stickthing*12:28
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the_stickreally nice to use too12:28
the_stickgnome > KDE12:28
the_stickimo12:28
plasmoD:12:28
altorushi, and is anyone familiar with the powernow daemon in here?12:29
altorusits running on the default runlevel, but would like to change it from active to passive, it scales too quickly12:29
altorusthe init script tells me to creaate /etc/default/powernowd for custom options, but i'm unsure of the format12:30
ctdbob2: virtual terminals12:30
zopyis there another url for humanxmms because this failed http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/12:30
bob2ctd: chvt12:30
zopy?12:30
ctduh?12:31
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zopyhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409 xmms skins12:33
Vince-0what Gfx cards u guyz running ?12:33
zopythis work http://www.xwebnet.com/files/HumanXMMS-0.2.tar.bz2 cool12:33
zopyMatrox G40012:34
tolleare there any easy to use graphical networksetting program that works, some dude needs one and he is 200km from here so i cant realy help him.12:34
tolleah it worked out, he was messing with the wrong networkinterface12:36
the_stickEvolution Mail is pretty slick12:36
Rene_SIs there a way to make application cover a panel ?12:36
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bob2ctd: to change from one virtual terminal to another, use chvt12:39
bob2tho I think I don't get your question12:39
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Matt|what is the best way to backup my home directory?12:40
bob2rsync it to another machine12:41
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danielsctd: are you talking about the fact you can't do ctrl-alt-f1 or such with the ibook?12:41
bob2ah12:41
Matt|bob2, i was gonna compress it first if poss12:41
Matt|then i'll copy it to another machine12:41
altorusany laptop/powernowd users at all?12:42
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bob2rsync compresses12:42
Matt|bob2, how does it work?12:42
Matt|i need a server on the other machine?12:42
faisalwith which app do I open .deb files ?12:42
Vince-0<R any of U guyz runnung AMD64 > * ?12:42
RubenValtorus: full time laptop user here12:42
bob2altorus: did you readf the man page?12:42
RubenVlot's of em i think12:42
altorusYes i did, it doesn't give details as to the syntax of the debian specific optional config file12:43
bob2Matt|: no, it can work over ssh12:43
Fwiffofaisal: What are you trying to accomplish?12:43
Matt|bob2, ok that's good. How do i get it working?12:43
bob2altorus: sure it can take a config file at all?12:44
bob2(the man page doesn't seem to say so)12:44
altorusfrom the init script : # create the file /etc/default/powernowd if you want to override the value of12:44
altorus# variable OPTIONS and change the default behavior of the daemon as launched12:44
bob2Matt|: rsync -a -z -vv --partial /home/blah/ you@remote:/home/blah/backup/12:44
Matt|wow12:44
altorusit defaults to aggressive, which is too much on this machine would prefer passive12:44
bob2altorus: oh, yeah, that's just to override command line options12:44
bob2altorus: you can just edit /etc/init.d/powernowd12:45
altorusbob2, yep, thats where i figured setting a different mode would happen :)12:45
altorusi didn't see any mode settings in there, it just uses the default12:45
faisalFwiffo,  I want to install bittorrent12:45
bob2altorus: or make a file called /etc/default/powernowd with the words: OPTIONS="-m2"12:45
bob2faisal: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb12:45
bob2faisal: but bittorrent is in ubuntu...12:45
altorusbob2, thatnks thats the kind of syntax i was after :D12:45
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bob2altorus: erm, how do you mean?12:46
Fwiffofaisal: yes, my advice is to use what's in the repositories12:46
faisalit is o_O12:46
faisalok12:46
bob2altorus: it's how you set settings for powernowd12:46
Vince-0<R any of U guyz runnung AMD64 > * ?12:46
altorusas in the syntax for that actual file, thru /etc/defaults its kinda all over the place12:46
bob2Vince-0: it's best to just ask your question12:46
altorusa lot of it being program specific12:46
Vince-0bob2 - thats just my question12:46
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bob2altorus: everything I know of in /etc/default/ are shell scripts that get sources12:47
bob2Vince-0: lots of people are using it12:47
Vince-0kk kewl12:47
Matt|bob2, wow rsync is clever. How can i compress the stuff?12:47
bob2Matt|: -z says use compression12:47
altorusnope still aggressive.12:47
bob2altorus: did you restart it?12:47
Matt|bob2, kthx12:47
Fwiffofaisal: fwiw Azerus should be a good client for torrents12:47
Vince-0Bitcommet is the best client12:47
Fwiffook12:48
altorusbob2, yep, just rereading the initscript, see if it gives any hinters12:48
bob2'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --exec $DAEMON -- $OPTIONS >/dev/null 2>&1'12:48
bob2you really just need to set $OPTIONS12:49
Matt|bob2, its working thanks a million you rock12:49
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altorus./powernowd12:49
altorus * Usage: /etc/init.d/powernowd {start|stop|restart|force-reload}12:49
altorusno options specified.12:49
bob2erm12:49
bob2sudo invoke-rc.d powernowd restart12:50
altorusstill too used to the gentoo way of doing things :12:50
altorus:| rather12:50
altoruswoops, the dreaded G word - hehe12:53
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jindCan anybody recommend a gnome frontend to mplayer for me?12:56
jindPreferably something in the repositories12:56
Vince-0dunno12:57
Vince-0sorry12:57
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ctd_Any particular reason it would be for mplayer?12:57
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echylohi have a question12:58
echylojust reinstalled ubuntu, from shipped cd12:58
altorusjind, is gmplayer in the reps?  it /should/ be a part of the standard mplayer package12:58
echylonow I want to mount my ntfs & fat partitions12:58
echylobut it says its not supported by kernel12:58
Vince-0echylo12:58
echylothat's me yes..12:59
Vince-0mount -t ntfs /dev/hdXx /mnt/xxx12:59
echylodid that :)12:59
echylontfs is not supported by kernel12:59
Vince-0hmm12:59
bob2echylo: what does "uname -r" print out?12:59
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echyloand in the previous it was12:59
bob2it really is supported by the kernel12:59
Vince-0 Imounted ntfs12:59
echylo2.6.8.1-3-38601:00
Fwiffoechylo: sudo modprobe ntfs01:00
bob2echylo: and what *exactly* are you running?01:00
echylo?01:00
jindgmplayer is installed be not working01:00
echyloexactly?01:00
echyloubuntu 4.10?01:00
bob2what is the exact command line you're using01:00
jind/s/be/but01:00
Fwiffoechylo: yes, that will load the needed kernel module01:00
echylodoesn't work Fwiffo01:01
bob2I'm 99% certain mount will load the module automagically01:01
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echyloow it does01:01
bob2show us the exact command you're running01:01
echylow801:01
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bob2"wait"?01:01
echyloyes01:01
Fwiffowell I had that problem once and loading the module manually fixed it :/01:01
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echylook it works now01:01
echylothanks01:01
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Matt|bob2, rsync has not worked properly: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702)01:03
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bob2erm01:03
bob2does it happen if you try again?01:03
bob2what if you add another -v?01:03
Vince-0Q! - has any1 had issies with apt -get fglrx and AMD64 ? > *01:03
Matt|ok i'll try but it will take a while01:03
Vince-0issues*01:03
bob2Vince-0: you can just use normal english in here, you don't need to prefix or suffix questions with random characters01:04
Vince-0I will do that bob01:04
bob2Matt|: it should be very quicdk, it won't transfer anything that hasn't had it's mtime change01:04
Matt|oh shit01:04
KamionVince-0: they're only supported on i386 at the moment01:04
Matt|bob2, too late for that, i've already deleted the remote dir01:05
bob2Matt|: gah01:05
Vince-0i emailed ATI - chooned them to make a working driver for us 64bitters01:05
Matt|bob2, ;) i'll be back soon01:05
danielsemailing ATI won't help, I'm afraid01:05
Matt|Vince-0, that's not gonna do any good01:05
Vince-0yar I know , its all I can do01:05
Matt|they don't listen to 17000 strong petitions01:05
Vince-0well then I am stuck with 2d01:06
Matt|:(01:07
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Vince-0what kewl stuff have u guyz accomlished in Ubunt ?01:11
Vince-0I wanna replace my winXp01:11
Matt|Vince-0, you've got 3d graphics in winxp i guess01:11
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Matt|if you play games and stuff i guess you should keep windoze01:12
Vince-0Matt| : indeed I do - the first thing stoping me from migrating01:12
Matt|Vince-0, or you could buy a new video card i guess ;)01:12
Vince-0Matt| : nought , thats not an option01:12
Matt|k01:12
Vince-0Matt| : what u doin about it ?01:13
Matt|about what?01:13
RubenVerrr01:13
RubenVthe point is more: do you need 3D in linux,01:13
Matt|RubenV, sure you do01:13
Vince-0yeah u do01:13
RubenVMatt|: I haven't seen much 3D on my desktop yet :)01:14
bob2not everyone does01:14
Vince-0well, get Cedega and Doom301:14
bob2I had some silly geforce2 for years and never used 3d on it01:14
Matt|RubenV, i haven't seen much X on my desktop yet01:14
bob2unrelated to the fact the silly binary drivers oopsed my machine01:14
Matt|but if you wanna play games...01:14
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Matt|ok bob2 same rsync error01:15
RubenVgames can be missed01:15
Vince-0indeed i wanna jamsom games01:15
Vince-0well I donRubenV : so then u got a serverbx ?01:15
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RubenVVince-0: ??01:16
Matt|bob2, here is the error (3 lines)01:16
Matt|total size is 559062878  speedup is 3808.6701:16
Matt|rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702)01:16
Matt|_exit_cleanup(code=0, file=main.c, line=702): about to call exit(23)01:16
bob2RubenV: he's saying "so you don't play games, you must only have a server?"01:16
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Vince-0RubenV : if u dont use 3D then u running services - dont u get bored ?01:16
bob2Matt|: erm, I don't know, that's odd01:16
RubenVI have a desktop (which I don't use) and a laptop01:17
RubenVwhy would i get bored?01:17
bob2Matt|: maybe you don't have read permissions on some of the files?01:17
Matt|bob2, remote dir: 564360  kallisto_backup/01:17
dadcan anyone give me a clue as to how to change refresh rate from 60hz on a G4 tower?01:17
Matt|bob2, must be yeah01:17
bob2Matt|: hm, stuff like ~/.aptitude is owned by root01:17
KamionVince-0: plenty of non-3D games out there01:17
RubenVcomputers can do more then just gaming :)01:17
bob2Matt|: you could run rsync with sudo I guess01:17
zombicsafter i installed the nvidia-glx i tryed to run X. i got this error: failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!  what can i do?01:17
RubenVKamion: I don't play games at all01:17
RubenV:)01:17
Matt|bob2, will it maintain the owners and permissions?01:17
KamionRubenV: yeah, *even* for gamers though01:17
Vince-0Kamion : hehe - yar - but .... 3d common man - its imperrative01:17
bob2Matt|: yes01:17
dadouch zombics:(01:18
RubenVWhen i get bored, I try to find stuff to put in the bugzilla :D01:18
KamionVince-0: *shrug* I play games and none of them are 3D01:18
Matt|bob2, ok so would you recommend running it with sudo?01:18
Matt|Kamion, tuxracer man01:18
Matt|:p01:18
zombicsdad, dont like the sound of that :\01:18
Matt|bob2, the alternative i changing the permissions on the local home dir ;)01:18
Vince-0Lets just say, W/o drivers my srnsavers jolt01:18
bob2zombics: load the module01:18
dadoh ok  sorry cant help you then?01:18
bob2zombics: "sudo modprobe nvidia", then add it to /etc/moduleses01:18
CraHan[zZz] good morning everyone01:19
Vince-0good morning, what country u in ?01:19
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dadgood evening crahan01:19
CraHanBelgium :)01:19
Rene_Sgo back to bed its too early to be up01:19
RubenVgoeiemorgen :D01:19
Vince-0that would explain it01:19
CraHanit's around 1pm01:19
CraHanbut I just woke up01:19
CraHanso it's morning :)01:20
CraHanRubenV: heyhey :D01:20
zombicsbob2, thx! going to try it :)01:20
dadbob2 i sudoed modprobe nvidia and got fatal erro not found ? :)01:20
bob2dad: install the resitrcted modules package01:20
Matt|bob2, will rsync delete files in the remote directory that aren't found on the local dir?01:20
bob2no01:21
Matt|k01:21
bob2not unless you pass --delete01:21
bob2but, it will nuke all changes on the remote side01:21
dadrestricted nvidia mods ok ill try thnkee01:21
bob2so don't edit both ends01:21
Matt|no it's only to backup01:21
Matt|bob2, .bash_history is owned by root in my home directory. Perhaps i should delete that01:22
dadwhat is the url for the restricted packages ?01:23
Matt|dad, use synaptic to install it01:23
Matt|it's called linux-restricted-modules or something similar01:23
dadthnks matt i will have to add restricted to repos i guess?01:23
Matt|dad, nope01:23
dadoops okies ill have a peek01:23
Matt|dad, dunno which repository it is in, but have a look01:24
Matt|bob2, why is it saving my sudo .bash_history in my home directory do you know?01:25
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lourenshey01:25
dadmatt all i can find is nvdia-kernel-common?01:25
Matt|dad, hang on a sec01:26
dadok thnks01:26
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bramhi... noob allert :-D01:26
bramnoob being, ... me !01:27
dadits a big club bram :)01:27
KamionMatt|: use the -H option to sudo if you want it to change the home directory01:27
Matt|dad, did you follow the wiki for the nvidia thing01:27
braminstalled ubuntu - all working well - except wireless, so... here I am :D01:27
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azeemhi01:27
Kamiondad: linux-restricted-modules is installed by default01:27
Kamiondad: you might need nvidia-glx though01:28
dadno i didnt  im on a ppc  i dont see restricted mods in repositories01:28
dadah yes01:28
Matt|Kamion, i think it's saving the commands i do with sudo -s in that file. Is there any way to save them permanently to /root/.bash_history instead of me passing -H01:28
KamionMatt|: no; sudo -H each time01:28
Matt|nvidia-glx depends on linux-restricted-modules i think01:28
Kamionor sudo -H -s01:28
Matt|Kamion, ok01:28
bramsooo. does anyone feel like guiding a nood through trying to figure out what's wrong w/ his wifi?01:28
Matt|:(01:28
Matt|bram, go ahead people will try and help01:28
KamionMatt|: or 'alias sudo="sudo -H"' in your .bashrc01:28
Matt|Kamion, good idea thx01:28
CraHanhttps://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=324401:29
Kamiondad: nvidia-glx is only available on amd64 and i386, sorry01:29
azeemhow do I add a swap partition to ubuntu? I have '/dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0' in /etc/fstab, but swapon -a fails with "/dev/hda6: Invalid argument"01:29
CraHanquestion about that bug01:29
bramwell, I think it KINDA works, because the wifi connector thingy in gmome tells me 83% link strength01:29
Kamionazeem: did you mkswap it?01:29
daduhoh lol guess i can live with it ..pretty awful artifactees though  thnks matt01:29
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bramhowever - trying to "enable" the wifi in the network settings (gnome) only switched it back off01:29
azeemKamion: eh :)01:29
Matt|CraHan, seems quite clear01:30
lourensI'd like to remap a key, but it seems that GNOME and/or Ubuntu won't let me01:30
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CraHanI,don't get that share folder option in the contect menu01:30
azeemKamion: cheers01:30
Matt|CraHan, oh01:30
lourensI created a .Xmodmap with the mapping and a .xinitrc to load it01:30
CraHanif I right click a folder I have no option that let's me do that :)01:30
bramI've got an Atheros chipset, supported by the madwifi project - which is supposedly used by Ubuntu...01:30
KamionCraHan: might be a hoary thing01:30
lourensbut when I first tried it GNOME informed me explicitly that it ignored my .Xmodmap01:30
CraHanKamion: I'm using hoary though01:31
lourensand on a second attempt X wouldn't load at all if I had any kind of .xinitrc, even an empty one01:31
Matt|CraHan, that's what he means01:31
CraHanoh I see01:31
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bramso: Question => how do I figure out if my wifi 'sees' any of the networks floating around here, and how do I connect to it.01:31
CraHangonna have to add a comment in the big report then :)01:31
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azeemlourens: did you try 'Desktop Settings->Keyboard' and tweaking the layout there?01:32
KamionCraHan: do you have gnome-user-share installed? (I think that's the package name)01:32
CraHanaah let me check that01:32
Matt|new since yesterday01:32
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CraHanisn't that 2 different things?  They reassigned my bugreport about the samba sharing to this one, but I don't think gnome-useshare has anything to do with sambe01:33
CraHan*samba rather01:33
lourensbram: I've no experience with wireless, but may iwlist does the trick?01:33
Kamionno idea01:33
lourenstry "man iwlist" in a console01:33
jdubKamion: yeah, gnome-user-share doesn't do samba configuration stuff01:34
CraHanjdub: indeed, it does rendezvous and webdav01:34
jdubCraHan: shares-admin01:34
lourensazeem: well, it lets me choose another layout...but I have a laptop which has two backslash keys01:34
jdubCraHan: i packaged it :)01:34
Matt|LOL01:34
CraHanjdub: I installed that and I reported a bug for it01:34
lourensone to the bottom left of the return key, and one next to the left shift key01:34
CraHanjdub: the menu entry didn't have the gksudo set01:34
lourensthe key next to the return key works as expected, the one next to the shift is dead01:35
jdubCraHan: yes, known bug01:35
azeemlourens: hmm, dunno about that01:35
CraHanjdub: so I added a bugreport for it, but now they assigned it to a bugreport about the context menu, I don't have any option for sharing in the context menu of a folder :/01:35
lourensso I want to have the one next to the shift key as backslash bar, and the one next to the return key as return as well, thus creating a big return key01:35
azeemlourens: it might be that GNOME-2.10 will be more configurable in this regard01:35
lourenswhich should me a matter of keycode 94 = backslash bar and keycode 51 = Return01:36
lourensI had that setup on my previous Slackware install and it worked just fine01:36
lourensI don't really care for a more powerful GUI config tool, as long as the thing wouldn't explicitly work against me :(01:36
lourensif I want a system that thinks it knows better than me I'll go back to Windows...01:37
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lourenswell, actually I wouldn't since I have no idea how to use Windows, but as a figure of speech ;)01:37
lourensbram, does iwlist do anything interesting?01:38
Vince-0I am just stoked I can even get into here with my Ubuntu ....01:38
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lourenssorry for griping :(01:38
bramOKay, iwlist works - so I can see the networks - now - how do I connect ? I tried the Gnome network config thingy, but no luck01:39
lourensI've been running Slack with icewm and KDE for the past five years or so, and I'm used to having a lot of power and nothing in the way of using it01:39
lourensGNOME feels very limited to me...01:39
bram( gnome network settings => if I hit the "active" checkbox, it just de-activates itself )01:40
lourenswhat does it say in properties?01:40
bramwireless network + name of my SSID01:40
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bramDHCP...01:41
vIkSiTGreetings all01:41
lourenshi viksit01:41
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loloHello !01:43
vIkSiThey lourens01:43
lourensbram: if you type traceroute www.google.com in a console, what does it say?01:43
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lourenshello lolo01:43
lourenswhoops01:44
lourensI have to go get my laundry out of the machie01:44
lourensmachine even01:44
lourensbe back in ten minutes or so01:44
loloi've juste a (stupid) question : can i add debian server to my sources.list ?01:44
bramwell - I'm using my wired connection rite now - so I'm sure it'll do a proper trace... which makes me think: do I need to kill my wired connection in order to connect my wireless?01:44
vIkSiTI was wondering.. how does the project cover the costs for the CD-shipment? I mean, are they *totally free of cost?01:45
lolowhithout trouble with ubuntu packages.01:45
azeemlolo: better don't01:45
azeemlolo: what are you missing from Ubuntu?01:45
vIkSiTBecause for small organizations, its a heaven-sent when trying to propogate linux to more people..01:45
loloazeem: I can't install PAN newsreader :-/01:46
loloazeem: 2 dependance packages in error01:46
azeemwat's the error?01:47
loloazeem: Dpend: libgnet2.0-0 (>= 2.0.4) and  Dpend: libpcre3 (>= 4.5) but not installable.01:48
Vince-0What IRC clients r U guyz using (I dont like Xchat much) ?01:48
loloVince-0: Try ChatZilla :)01:49
frankpsGaim is an ok alternative01:49
azeemVince-0: irssi01:49
Vince-0lolo :thnkz01:49
vIkSiTVince-0, try irssi?01:49
Vince-0I cant get the nick list on the right of the chan window in Xchat01:49
vIkSiTor even something like KDE's Kommunicate01:49
vIkSiTVince-0, ? Just pull the tab with the mouse towards the right..01:50
vIkSiTtab == dividing bar between conversation and nick lists01:50
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Vince-0OMS! it was hidden there, thnkz01:50
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vIkSiT:) You're welcome01:50
plasmololo: i can install both of those pakages u mentioned libgnet libpcre301:51
azeemplasmo: what versions?01:51
plasmolibgnet 2.0.4-101:51
loloplasmo: what servers are in your sources.list ?01:51
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plasmopcre3 4.5-1.101:52
plasmohoary01:52
loloHum... I use warty01:52
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plasmo:D01:52
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loloWhat is the difference hoary/warty ?01:55
plasmonew pakages. lastest stuff01:56
Vince-0What other appz r worth getting for my new Ubuntu /? - (general use ones, music,movies ...)01:56
lourensback01:56
jdublolo: warty == stable release, hoary == development branch.01:56
lolojdub: like in debian Sarge/Sid ?01:57
CraHanI like to live dangerously01:57
jdublolo: sort of01:57
CraHanhoary all the way01:57
jdublolo: though hoary will be frozen and have a release01:57
jdublolo: whereas sid is a permanent development branch01:57
CraHanI just love the uncertainty of doing a apt-get upgrade01:57
plasmodist-upgrade :)01:58
lolojdub: Can i use package from the 2 dists ?01:58
lourensI used to use BitchX all the time, currently XChat01:58
loloor it is preferable to me tu upgrade the dist ?01:58
jdublolo: strongly discouraged to mix.01:58
jdublolo: you should really choose one or the other.01:59
lourensbram: hmm, that may be a problem, yes01:59
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jdublolo: if you are comfortable running sid and fixing debian machines, hoary won't be too much of a shock, though it does move a bit faster.01:59
lourensI'm not sure what happens if you use two DHCP-enabled adapters at the same time01:59
bramhrm01:59
lourensat least the adapter is working properly I guess, if you have signal strength and can see the network01:59
bramI think so - yea02:00
lourensbut if one connection's DHCP wants you to use one DNS server and the other another one for example, then who decides which is the one to take?02:00
lourensand who decides which gets routed where?02:00
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lolojdub: ok. But i whant USE my system, not debug it all time like in SID (that why i chosse Ubuntu)02:01
bramokay - so - how do I kill the wired connection ?02:01
bramhow do I release the DHCP ?02:01
jdublolo: great, that's what releases are for. :-) use warty.02:01
bramw/out having to unplug the cable and reboot ( ;-) )02:01
vIkSiTlater people02:01
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lolojdub: hoary is must stable than sid ?02:02
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lourenswell, you can probably disable it in the network dialog box02:02