[12:00] <ogra> mane1: ...has it a block.device entry anywhere ? (assuming you have plugged a sd card in)
[12:00] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to build a web-design editor called Screem and I got this error
[12:00] <Quest-Master> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
[12:01] <Quest-Master> Could I get this through apt-get?
[12:01] <ogra> z2nOnly: amule, mldonkey or xmule are there
[12:01] <ogra> Quest-Master: screem is in universe
[12:01] <mane1> ogra: negative. i have a 128Mb card into the reader but i cant access
[12:02] <Quest-Master> Oh really
[12:02] <Quest-Master> Awesome
[12:02] <z2nOnly> ogra, thanks!  do you recommend one over another?
[12:02] <ogra> mane1: do you see the card in the device manager ?
[12:02] <Fwiffo> mane1: any messages in dmesg after plugging it in?
[12:02] <mane1> ogra: yes i do
[12:02] <ogra> z2nOnly: i didnt use them a long time though, i liked xmule when i used it, but head amule shall be better
[12:03] <ogra> mane1: has it a block.device entry ?
[12:04] <mane1> ogra: there i can read that cb170 memory card reader controller an Vendor ENE ... and OEM vendor HP and ...
[12:05] <ogra> mane1: i'm all the time talking about the advanced tab....
[12:07] <mane1> ogra: im looking for at the device, pci and advance tab but in anyone are a block entry
[12:07] <enntee> Hello. I had a bit of an X crash, and now when I try to start gdm, it keeps insisting that there is already one running on vt7. Could anyone tell me which pid file I need to rm?
[12:08] <dad> good morning
[12:09] <ogra> mane1: plug out and in the card and then type dmesg shortly afterwards in a terminal ....post the last lines to #flood then
[12:09] <ogra> dad: oh, you are here ? where is mom ?
[12:09] <Vince-0> U guyz all use ubuntu - Whooz actually from Africa ?
[12:09] <Fwiffo> enntee: try killall X
[12:09] <enntee> Fwiffo: I've already rebooted the computer a couple times
[12:09] <Quest-Master> Why is the Python in the repository only Python 2.3?
[12:09] <Quest-Master> I mean
[12:09] <Quest-Master> 2.2?
[12:09] <sirfred> enntee: Ctrl+Alt+F7 doesn't puts you on that X session?
[12:10] <enntee> so I'm thinking there must be a stale pid file somehwere
[12:10] <Quest-Master> It should be 2.3.4
[12:10] <enntee> sirfred: nope
[12:10] <sirfred> enntee: What do you see when pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7 ?
[12:10] <enntee> sirfred: GDM offers to start a new one on vt8 because vt7 is busy.
[12:10] <mane1> ogra: i can send you a screenshoot of the advanced tab if you want
[12:10] <enntee> sirfred: there's a blank, black screen with the default "X" cursor
[12:10] <ogra> mane1: no, just do what i wrote above :)
[12:11] <mane1> ok
[12:11] <sirfred> enntee: Press then, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[12:11] <sirfred> enntee: On that black screen with default "x" cursor.
[12:11] <Quest-Master> ...
[12:11] <sirfred> enntee: That should kill that session.
[12:11] <Quest-Master> I mounted my Windows drive
[12:11] <Quest-Master> And it shows everything
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Folders and files
[12:11] <Quest-Master> As individual files
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Actually
[12:12] <Quest-Master> As folders with nothing in them.
[12:12] <enntee> sirfred: yeah, i tried this once already
[12:12] <sirfred> Quest-Master: I think it's a permission problem
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Do I have to mount every single folder manually?
[12:12] <enntee> upon restarting gdm, the same things happens
[12:12] <Quest-Master> Well I mounted it with sudo of course
[12:12] <sirfred> enntee: That's strange.
[12:12] <enntee> sirfred: *nod*. i even tried installing the gdm from hoary
[12:12] <sirfred> Quest-Master: Try to mount it giving access to your user.
[12:12] <ogra> Quest-Master: show your fstab line for the win partition
[12:13] <Quest-Master> ogra: How do I do that?
[12:13] <Quest-Master> And sirfred: How do I do that too? :P
[12:13] <ogra> Quest-Master: gedit /etc/fstab and copy and paste the line you added for windows
[12:13] <sirfred> Quest-Master: Use a uid='your uid' otion
[12:13] <sirfred> Quest-Master: For example, if you are uid=1000
[12:14] <Quest-Master> Ah
[12:14] <Quest-Master> I did sudo xmms
[12:14] <sirfred> mount /dev/<winpartition> /mnt -o uid=1000
[12:14] <ogra> sirfred: its an octal value
[12:14] <Quest-Master> And it worked fine
[12:14] <ogra> sirfred: should be uid=000
[12:14] <Quest-Master> :)
[12:14] <sirfred> ogra: Humm, really?
[12:14] <the_stick> Hi
[12:14] <the_stick> <-- downloading ubuntu right now
[12:14] <sirfred> ogra: Isn't it the user id you want the partition to have access to?
[12:14] <gauckler> the_stick: you're cool!
[12:15] <sirfred> ogra: What you're talking about seems like an umask
[12:15] <the_stick> In the installer , can I create a linux partition with free space from a FAT32/NTFS partition ?
[12:15] <sirfred> ogra: Perhaps you're talking about umask option.
[12:15] <the_stick> or will I have to delete a partition , reformat , get some unpartitioned space and use that ?
[12:15] <sirfred> ogra: But that's not the problem here, I think.
[12:16] <the_stick> gauckler : heh
[12:17] <the_stick> anyone ?
[12:18] <sirfred> the_stick: I don't know. Didn't try that.
[12:18] <the_stick> oh
[12:18] <gauckler> the_stick: well, maybe you should partition magic to make the windows partition smaller, and then use the freed space.
[12:18] <crimsun> the_stick: if the free space exists prior to running the Ubuntu installer, yes.
[12:18] <sirfred> the_stick: Give it a try, the worse thing that could happen... is that you erase your windows install. Is that bad?
[12:19] <crimsun> the_stick: the free space must be contiguous, of course
[12:19] <gauckler> I am starting to like rhythmbox.
[12:19] <crimsun> the_stick: and by free space, I mean the free space OUTSIDE a vfat partition, not INSIDE the partition
[12:20] <the_stick> Oh..
[12:20] <the_stick> sirfred : http://www.q-collective.org/linuxbash.html?236401
[12:21] <Quest-Master> When I mount something, how can I make it so that not only the root has access to it?
[12:21] <ogra_> sirfred: sorry you were right before, sorry should be umask=000 with an octal value indeed
[12:21] <the_stick> duh..just search for 236401 in that page ..
[12:21] <sirfred> Quest-Master: What you can do is put the option 'users' in that fstab entry
[12:21] <Quest-Master> Ok
[12:21] <sirfred> Quest-Master: That way , you don't need to be root to mount it.
[12:22] <Quest-Master> Also, mplayer starts for a second, and then it exits out quickly
[12:22] <Quest-Master> :(
[12:22] <sirfred> Quest-Master: No error?
[12:23] <Quest-Master> Nope
[12:23] <mane1> ogra: have you write something? :)
[12:23] <ogra_> mane1: nope, i got dropped from the net :(
[12:24] <mane1> :)
[12:24] <mane1> dont worry
[12:24] <mane1> yesterday i find the way to configure the wireless and  webcam
[12:25] <the_stick> is there any tool with which I can remove a chuck of space from an existing partion and leave it as unpartitioned space ?
[12:25] <mane1> im very happy with ubuntu
[12:25] <crimsun> the_stick: partition magic
[12:25] <the_stick> thans
[12:25] <Quest-Master> #
[12:25] <Quest-Master> # <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
[12:25] <Quest-Master> proc            /proc           proc    defaults
[12:25] <Quest-Master> 0       0
[12:25] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda2       /mnt            fat32   rw,user
[12:25] <ogra_> mane1: i suspect you are missing the sg module for the reader, you could try it with: sudo modprobe sg
[12:25] <Quest-Master> 0       0
[12:25] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda3       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[12:25] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda5       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:25] <Quest-Master> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:25] <Quest-Master> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:26] <Quest-Master> Err, sorry about that :X
[12:26] <ogra_> Quest-Master: plaese use #flood
[12:26] <Quest-Master> Yeah, my bad.
[12:26] <Quest-Master> Anyhow, is that how my fstab should look like?
[12:26] <ogra_> Quest-Master: looks good ...for all the linux disks
[12:27] <sirfred> Quest-Master: Fine.
[12:27] <ogra_> Quest-Master: what is your win deviace ? hda1 ?
[12:27] <calamari_> ogra: do you know if synaptic provides a resume feature ?
[12:27] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda2 is the Windows partition
[12:27] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda1 is some system recovery thing this HP computer "requires."
[12:27] <sirfred> Quest-Master: Do you want that partition to be automounted on the system startup?
[12:27] <mane1> ogra: i execute but block entry dont apppears
[12:27] <ogra_> for XP : /dev/hda2       /mnt/hda2       ntfs   rw,user,noauto,umask=000  0       0
[12:28] <ogra_> mane1: plug the card out and in....
[12:28] <mane1> ogra: yes i have do it
[12:28] <sirfred> Quest-Master: In that way, you won't be able to access the partition as non privileged user.
[12:28] <ogra_> Quest-Master: argh, leave the rw....
[12:29] <sirfred> Quest-Master: Because it will be automounted at startup, as root user.
[12:29] <sirfred> Quest-Master: You should use a uid=<your uid> as another option.
[12:29] <mane1> ogra: must i execute some mount command?
[12:29] <sirfred> Quest-Master: Or you could use 'noauto', but that way it won't be automounted at startup.
[12:30] <ogra_> i.e. :  /dev/hda2       /mnt/hda2       vfat   rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:31] <ogra_> makes it clickable in the "Disks" window for mounting....very comfortable
[12:31] <ogra> mane1: nope
[12:32] <ogra> mane1: gnome-volume-menager should mount it....
[12:32] <StarScream> if i ftp into ubuntu.com can i get 1 package out of hoary? or do i have to use apt to get it?
[12:32] <ogra> manager
[12:32] <sirfred> the_stick: Why did you shown me that url?
[12:32] <Quest-Master> I don't have a Disks window though
[12:32] <ogra> StarScream: depends....
[12:32] <sirfred> the_stick: I've just seen it now
[12:32] <Quest-Master> And would it be possible for anyone to update Python in the apt repository?
[12:33] <ogra> StarScream: but you shouldnt use hoary packages in warty anyway
[12:33] <crimsun> Quest-Master: not for Warty, no
[12:33] <StarScream> ogra, erm ok, well i want to try xfwm4..but its not in warty
[12:33] <StarScream> so whats the best way to go about it?
[12:33] <mane1> ogra: is installed
[12:33] <ogra> StarScream: compiling them is an option though
[12:33] <ogra> mane1: i konw, its a default ;)
[12:33] <mane1> :)
[12:33] <crimsun> StarScream: there are unofficial debs of 4.2RC
[12:34] <ogra> mane1: but there must be missing something inbetween.....
[12:34] <StarScream> crimsun, PPC debs?
[12:34] <crimsun> StarScream: binary, only i386. Source is available, though.
[12:34] <Quest-Master> Is there any reason why MPlayer is starting up and closing after a second or two?
[12:34] <StarScream> yeh i tried using the xfwm installer...i had all the deps but it died
[12:35] <ogra> StarScream: you can try to take the hoary pkgs, but its likely that they depend on hoary stuff....and on next update it could be that this hoary stuff depends on other hoary stuff suddenly
[12:36] <StarScream> ogra, hrm...how stable is hoary? it might be worth me just using that
[12:36] <ogra> StarScream: so you would end up pretty mixed and unstable i guess....
[12:36] <enntee> Just installed Ubuntu, and I'm really happy with it. The only thing that I've noticed, is that especially for graphical stuff, it seems to be a little slower than debian
[12:36] <enntee> Anyone know if the interactivity patch thing in the ubuntu 2.6 kernel is on by default?
[12:36] <ogra> StarScream: can you handle breakages from time to time ?
[12:37] <ogra> StarScream: sometimes small ones, sometimes bigger ?
[12:37] <sirfred> enntee: Strange. What I like in Ubuntu compared with debian, is that I feel ubuntu faster
[12:37] <ogra> StarScream: then hoary is ok for you..... else leave it
[12:37] <enntee> sirfred: well, it certainly felt quicker at first. maybe it's because i'm using the k7 kernel. maybe i should switch back to 686
[12:38] <sirfred> enntee: I'm on a Piii
[12:39] <sirfred> enntee: I had a lot of problems on a Duron based system.
[12:39] <ogra> enntee: do you actually have a k7 ? ;) then you should stick with it
[12:39] <StarScream> ogra, i can deal with broken packages...if its just a case of manually installing libs or a dpkg or two
[12:39] <StarScream> to fix it
[12:39] <enntee> ogra: well i have an xp 1800
[12:39] <ogra> enntee: was kidding :)
[12:39] <enntee> ogra: humor in a help channel? man, #debian seems so far away.
[12:39] <ogra> hehe
[12:40] <StarScream> orgra i might just try using the dpkg from hoary and risk it..worst case is that i will have to upgrade to hoary.
[12:40] <ogra> StarScream: decide yourself...there were ppl that were very unhappy...others were fine....hoary is in steady flux, so it _could_ break badly....
[12:43] <GotD0t> i just recently upgraded to hoary and now whenever i run a 3D accelerated game X crashes
[12:43] <StarScream> ogra, yeh i'll take my chances with installing the packages manually for now..can i get them via ftp?
[12:43] <GotD0t> anybody hear anything similar?
[12:43] <ogra> GotD0t: daniels has packaged new (hoary) ati and nvidia drivers....
[12:43] <GotD0t> ogra: where would i get these/
[12:43] <enntee> Is there a way to do apt-pinning in ubuntu? I'd like to have hoary packages available when I need them, but use warty by default
[12:43] <ogra> GotD0t i386: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/
[12:43] <ogra> enntee: its not suggested to mix hoary and warty and not supported.... but its apt :) with all functions ....
[12:49] <enntee> cool.
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: so its possible....
[12:49] <StarScream> enntee, whats apt-pinning?
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: ubuntu is a stabilized snapshot of sid.....
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: and tewaked a little bit ;)
[12:49] <ogra> tweaked
[12:49] <enntee> ogra: yeah, i know. sometimes i'm just too impatient when something new comes out
[12:49] <enntee> StarScream: it's a way to tell apt what to favor.
[12:49] <enntee> StarScream: there's some howto's available if you google for apt-pinning.
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: ubuntu has a 6 month release cycle for stable :) i'm fine with that
[12:49] <enntee> ogra: i'm not really happy unless my system randomly breaks
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: go for hoary !!!
[12:49] <enntee> i'm sure i will eventually
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: break it !! (and report it indeed *g*)
[12:49] <enntee> my gf will hate me, but that's alright.
[12:49] <ogra> enntee: hmm..... i have a second machine for hoary....thats better than family wars *g*
[12:49] <enntee> ogra: hehe, yeah.
[12:55] <SmokingFire> hi
[12:55] <Quest-Master> Darnit, this sucks
[12:55] <SmokingFire> whats a light weight linux that is able to play real media streaming and is ok with 48mb of ram? Like the linux version of win98 but better.
[12:55] <AElfwine> hi
[12:55] <StarScream> SmokingFire, try vector
[12:55] <SmokingFire> StarScream: thanks, will look
[12:55] <crimsun> or damnsmall linux
[12:55] <StarScream> SmokingFire, Slackware will work too but you have to play with it a bit and be careful what you install
[12:55] <LinuxJones> SmokingFire, damn small linux and icewm outta do it
[12:55] <StarScream> or yeh DSL
[12:55] <crimsun> maybe movix?
[12:55] <crimsun> although I think that's geared toward divx and not rm
[12:56] <StarScream> reading http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto but i have no /etc/apt/apt.conf
[12:56] <SmokingFire> LinuxJones: StarScream I'm not to familiar with linux and the hardware is pretty old but standard. And dsl is no problem as it is dsl but the modem uses built in router and dhcp capabilities.
[12:57] <crimsun> SmokingFire: DSL == DamnSmall Linux
[12:57] <StarScream> i meant DamnSmallLinux
[12:57] <egon_spengler> StarScream, You just create the apt.conf file with the pinning preferences in it
[12:57] <AElfwine> does anyone knows if nvidia driver can be installed on ubuntu_AMD64 ?
[12:57] <StarScream> egon_spengler, thanks...new to ubuntu/deb
[12:58] <egon_spengler> StarScream, New to ubuntu myself, but not debian
[12:58] <skullbocks> hi
[12:58] <dad> hello can someone tell me how to mount a cd on dtop ?
[12:59] <dad> all i get is must specify filesystem even though i -t auto it
[12:59] <ogra> dad: should happen automatically
[12:59] <dad> aha
[12:59] <ogra> dad: if you put it in
[12:59] <dad> one would think so Ogra
[01:00] <Rene_S> These Ubuntu cd's are kinda spiffy in there little sleeves, I seen the skinny stud has made his return on the cover
[01:00] <ogra> dad: happens for me on all my systems
[01:00] <dad> im on a G4tower?
[01:00] <dad> if that makes a diff
[01:00] <Rene_S> Dont jump
[01:00] <ogra> dad: with a default install ?
[01:00] <dad> yes
[01:01] <dad> dvds mount cds dont
[01:01] <ogra> dad: i have a g3 imac at the office, works there too
[01:01] <TheStuff> dad, did u checked /etc/fstab ?
[01:01] <ogra> dad: what kind of cds ?
[01:01] <Quest-Master> Is there any way I could reinstall Mplayer?
[01:01] <dad> no i havent thestuff thnks ill have a look
[01:01] <ogra> dad: iso
[01:01] <Arrrr> has anyone ever successfully run NVU in Ubuntu?
[01:01] <ogra> dad: or mac formatted ?
[01:01] <Arrrr> I got this error message: ./nvu-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:02] <Rene_S> Quest-Master, apt-get remove mplayer, then apt-get install mplayer
[01:02] <kent> Quest-Master, use synaptic to install it again?
[01:02] <netmonk> Arrrr, i am and it works perfect for me
[01:02] <dad> nope just ordinary dvds and cds i burned with data
[01:02] <Quest-Master> Ah
[01:02] <TheStuff> dad, also u may use mount command to mount any drive or partition u want
[01:02] <Arrrr> netmonk: did you get that error message?
[01:02] <ogra> Quest-Master: sudo apt-get install --reinstall mplayer
[01:02] <dad> i tried mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[01:02] <dad> got a specify filesystem error
[01:02] <netmonk> never, just installed ti from synaptic and that was it
[01:03] <dad> sorry ogra burned on a mac\
[01:03] <ogra> dad: -t iso9660
[01:03] <dad> oops
[01:03] <Arrrr> netmonk: are you talking to me???
[01:03] <Quest-Master> Weird..
[01:03] <ogra> dad: -t udf
[01:03] <dad> so no -t?
[01:03] <Arrrr> netmonk: is nvu in synaptic?
[01:03] <dad> aha
[01:03] <Quest-Master> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:03] <Quest-Master>   mplayer: Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[01:03] <Quest-Master>            Depends: libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.17) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:03] <dad> thnkee i'll take a gander
[01:03] <netmonk> yes, Arrrr, sorry. "never, just installed ti from synaptic and that was it"
[01:03] <Quest-Master> But I apparently have libggi2 and libpng10-0 both installed
[01:04] <Arrrr> oh
[01:04] <Arrrr> netmonk: i can't find it in synaptic...
[01:04] <ogra> Quest-Master: (>= 1.0.17) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1
[01:04] <netmonk> Arrrr, just a sec
[01:05] <Arrrr> can you send your apt.sources to me??
[01:05] <ogra> Quest-Master: thats the actual version.....
[01:05] <ogra> Quest-Master: it wants 1.0.17 but can get only  1.0.15
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Hm
[01:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: which marillat repository did you enter in synaptic ? testing or unstable.....you need testing
[01:06] <netmonk> Arrrr, sorry! you are right, I built it from source - I got it from www.nvu.com
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Oh
[01:06] <Arrrr> netmonk: ah .. ok ok
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Can I add both testing and unstable?
[01:06] <Quest-Master> Or just testing?
[01:06] <Arrrr> netmonk: thx!
[01:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: just one of them
[01:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: in your case testing
[01:07] <netmonk> Arrrr, no problem - not much of a help, sorry ;)
[01:07] <dad> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,
[01:07] <dad>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:07] <ogra> dad: hmm
[01:07] <dad> an unfortunate message i have seen rather a lot
[01:07] <TheStuff> dad,  ur problem is how to use mount command .. try to check man mount
[01:07] <Arrrr> netmonk: which version are you running??
[01:08] <netmonk> Arrrr, warty
[01:08] <netmonk> has anyone heard of a distro called BetrIX - distrowatch sais it's a live cd based on Ubuntu?
[01:09] <ogra> TheStuff: its a mac formatted CD
[01:09] <Arrrr> netmonk: no.. i mean, the version for nvu
[01:10] <netmonk> Arrrr, Nvu - version 0.50 (20041006)
[01:10] <dad> perhaps mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom is correct?
[01:10] <Quest-Master> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ <-- this is Marillat right?
[01:10] <Arrrr> netmonk: thx! i'll try it now.
[01:10] <TheStuff> dad, would copy me in private ur fstab ? or send it all
[01:10] <netmonk> Arrrr, good luck ;)
[01:10] <TheStuff> dad, would u copy me in private ur fstab ? or send it all
[01:10] <ogra> dad: if the cd is udf formatted.... else iso9660
[01:10] <ogra> Quest-Master: yep, the url....
[01:11] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:11] <Quest-Master> I do have it under testing
[01:11] <Quest-Master> :P
[01:11] <dad> very nice of you guys   paste here? might be a little long/
[01:11] <AElfwine> how can I install kernel sources of ubuntu to install a new driver ?
[01:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: and no other foreign sources (or hoary stuff) ?
[01:12] <ogra> dad: in #flood please
[01:12] <Quest-Master> Don't think so
[01:12] <dad> channel flood?
[01:12] <ogra> dad: yep, thats what its for :)
[01:13] <ogra> AElfwine: what kind of driver ?
[01:13] <AElfwine> ogra : nvidia driver
[01:13] <mane1> thanks for all ogra
[01:13] <Quest-Master> ogra: Nope, I don't have any foreign sources
[01:13] <dad> bit of an old newb im afraid  lol and where might this channel be?where is this fstab beast?
[01:13] <mane1> bye everybody
[01:13] <dad> etc?
[01:13] <ogra> AElfwine: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:14] <ogra> dad: /join #flood
[01:14] <AElfwine> great ogra ,
[01:14] <AElfwine> you are a good guy ;)
[01:14] <ogra> Quest-Master: hmm, uni and multiverse are enabled ?
[01:15] <ogra> AElfwine: thankes :)
[01:15] <dad> well i think its up ogra san
[01:15] <socomm> Whatever happened to bonobo.
[01:15] <AElfwine> I 've been looking for a link like this for a long time
[01:15] <Quest-Master> ogra: Yep.
[01:15] <ogra> dad: oh, sorry , could you repost ? i was to slow
[01:16] <ogra> socomm: wfx couldnt bear the costs, it ate a lot of bandwidth
[01:16] <socomm> ogra: lame.
[01:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: try stable instead of testing then....ths will depend on older versions of the libs
[01:17] <dad> oh ok doing
[01:17] <Quest-Master> For universe?
[01:18] <Quest-Master> Or marillat?
[01:18] <ogra> dad: looks ok....
[01:18] <ogra> Quest-Master: matillat
[01:18] <ogra> +r
[01:18] <StarScream> k, i added my apt.conf and hoary sources, ran apt-get -t hoary install xfce4  but it says its still the newest package
[01:18] <StarScream> even after apt-get update
[01:18] <dad> i guess i cant edit fstab and change noauto to 1 or something?
[01:19] <ogra> dad: nope....you could change it to auto....but that would automount it on boot :)
[01:19] <ogra> dad: the two numbers are for the fs checks on boot
[01:20] <dad> aha
[01:20] <dad> i think im too old to use linux lol
[01:20] <ogra> dad: try pmount /dev/hdc , what does that give you
[01:20] <ogra> dad: how old ?
[01:20] <dad> 69
[01:21] <Quest-Master> ogra, same errors
[01:21] <Quest-Master>  Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but 1:2.0.4-3 is to be installed
[01:21] <Quest-Master>            Depends: libpng10-0 (>= 1.0.17) but 1.0.15-6ubuntu1 is to be installed
[01:21] <ogra> dad: thats ok :)
[01:21] <dad> gives same as before error
[01:22] <Arrrr> what should i do if i get this kind of error message in ubuntu: No package 'gtk+-2.0' found
[01:22] <dad> rather annoying really as I have a lot of files on cds i wanted to bring over to ubuntu
[01:22] <ogra> Quest-Master: hmm, did you refresh the package lists ? i.e. apt-get update
[01:22] <Quest-Master> ogra, sure did.
[01:22] <ogra> dad: and you are sure the CD is ok ?
[01:22] <dad> fine it mounts splendidly on osx
[01:23] <dad> actually its a dvd i burned with data
[01:24] <ogra> dad: could you try it with a data cd ?
[01:24] <dad> ok
[01:25] <Quest-Master> ogra, could there be any other media players that support XVid, DivX, and all of those other win32codecs?
[01:25] <ogra> dad: btw i'm half as old :)
[01:25] <StarScream> k i have hoary in my apt sources file as well as warty but apt-show-versions -p xfce4 still returns only the warty version
[01:25] <ogra> Quest-Master: i think totem-xine does it
[01:25] <dad> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[01:25] <dad>        or too many mounted file systems
[01:26] <dad> hehe
[01:26] <StarScream> yet if i run apt-get update i can clearly see it updating hoary
[01:26] <ogra> dad: hmm.....weird
[01:26] <Quest-Master> ogra, hope it works :)
[01:26] <dad> yes rather difficult all this linux stuff
[01:26] <ogra> Quest-Master: for me it does .... it just has no mozilla plugin....
[01:27] <Quest-Master> Hm
[01:27] <Quest-Master> This doesn't look good
[01:27] <Arrrr> hellooo
[01:27] <Quest-Master> I'll paste what I got when trying to install totem-xine in #flood
[01:27] <Arrrr> how to install gtk2 in ubuntu?
[01:27] <Arrrr> which package??
[01:27] <ogra> Arrrr: its already there by default...alll your desktop is gtk2
[01:27] <StarScream> Arrrr, you can do apt-search gtk2
[01:28] <Arrrr> hmm.. but when i try to compile nvu from source, it complains about gtk2
[01:28] <StarScream> Arrrr, if your compiling stuff you want the -dev version
[01:28] <Arrrr> oooooooooooooooooooo
[01:28] <Arrrr> thx!
[01:28] <StarScream> Arrrr, is nvu not in apt?
[01:28] <dad> funny that dvds will mount automatically and cds wont
[01:28] <Arrrr> nope
[01:29] <Quest-Master> ogra: Any idea what that means?
[01:29] <StarScream> hmm furry muff...
[01:29] <birme> funny nick... I thought that you all guys were frustrated
[01:29] <ogra> Arrrr: sudo apt-get install gnome-core-devel
[01:29] <dad> i was frustrated once in 1952
[01:29] <dad> march
[01:29] <Quest-Master> lol
[01:30] <Arrrr> ogra: what's that package for??
[01:30] <ogra> Quest-Master: that looks like a common error from hoary...strange...you are sure your not using hoary ?
[01:30] <dad> i suppose i had better google this problem some more
[01:31] <ogra> Arrrr: pulls in all needed dev packages for gnome desktop apps (incl gtk2-dev glib-dev etc)
[01:31] <Quest-Master> Nope
[01:31] <StarScream> enntee, were you doing apt-pinning before or was it some one else?
[01:31] <Quest-Master> I'm not using Hoary?
[01:31] <Quest-Master> Well, I shouldn't be
[01:31] <Quest-Master> Is there a way to check?
[01:31] <dad> not having a p2p for linux is awful:) no Sinatra no beethoven
[01:31] <ogra> Quest-Master: do you see hoary anywhere in your repository list in synaptic ?
[01:32] <StarScream> dad what p2p do you want?
[01:32] <ogra> dad: what kind of p2p ?
[01:32] <billytwowilly> Hi, I've got an athlon xp 2700 that keeps making the "i'm overheating" siren noise. I replaced the cpu fan/heatsink with something much better and it still does it. Also, running at full load it comes nowhere near the overheating temp. Any ideas what could be wrong?
[01:32] <Quest-Master> dad: Use BitTorrent :)
[01:32] <dad> pardon ? is there a p2p?
[01:32] <Quest-Master> Use BitTorrent.
[01:32] <ogra> dad: lots of mule derivatives
[01:32] <Quest-Master> I'm sure you'll be able to find albums and albums of classical music with it.
[01:32] <StarScream> dad, there is heaps of clients
[01:32] <Quest-Master> :)
[01:32] <Quest-Master> BitTorrent happens to be my favorite
[01:32] <dad> i sense another battle with bitTorrent get and how do i use this lol
[01:32] <StarScream> dad, just depends which one you want...but yeh bittorrent is better
[01:33] <AlJ> God. Ubuntu's soo nice. Any nice recommendable apps?
[01:33] <billytwowilly> azureus is awesome.
[01:33] <StarScream> dad just get auzeurus (sp?) its java and x platform
[01:33] <Quest-Master> Azureus is best.
[01:33] <ogra> Quest-Master: btw, its just a cosmetic error, one of your desktop launchers seems broken....
[01:33] <dad> being a mac user i just expect all my apps to install automatically and wink at me from an apps folder
[01:34] <dad> then again i wouldnt be learning anything new eh?
[01:34] <StarScream> dad i'm running ubuntu under ppc too..on my ibook..i got sick of the winking apps
[01:34] <skullbocks> hi
[01:34] <dad> fair enough starscream
[01:34] <Quest-Master> ogra: Coesmetic error?
[01:34] <Quest-Master> *cosmetic
[01:34] <Quest-Master> Should I reboot?
[01:34] <ogra> dad: ubuntu is not there yet....the menu entry mostly has to be made by hand...but the installing is pretty well already
[01:34] <skullbocks> can some one help me cedega ?
[01:34] <dad> can i synaptic azureus?
[01:34] <ogra> Quest-Master: you are on LINUX
[01:34] <dad> yes it looks like fun ogra
[01:35] <skullbocks> i am trying to play war3
[01:35] <ogra> Quest-Master: you only reboot if you update your kernel or your hardware ;)
[01:35] <StarScream> Quest-Master, dont reboot
[01:35] <StarScream> nix isn't made to be rebooted....
[01:36] <StarScream> however for some reason apple insist on rebooting after every minor update too come to think of it
[01:36] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:36] <Venker> hi there
[01:36] <Quest-Master> Well, what's the fix then?
[01:36] <Matt|> quick hoary question. I have unresolvable dependencies from the package "openoffice.org-debian-files". What should I do? it's annoying me to have one package which doesn't update
[01:36] <CraHan_> just installed mdnsresponder and the new gnome-sharing app that uses rendezvous
[01:36] <ogra> Quest-Master: find the broken desktop launcher :)
[01:36] <CraHan_> now the ibook detects the share through rendezvous, but it can't access it
[01:36] <Quest-Master> How to do that? :P
[01:36] <CraHan_> keeps saying the file can't be found anymore
[01:36] <ogra> Quest-Master: dunno.....
[01:37] <CraHan_> Matt|: you using dselect to install packages?
[01:37] <StarScream> anyone here familiar with apt-pinning?
[01:37] <ogra> Quest-Master: look for foreign programs, it does not happen with supported apps
[01:37] <CraHan_> otherwise I think you can ignore it for a day or so until it's updated
[01:37] <CraHan_> should follow through nicely after that
[01:37] <dad> i got bittorrent from syanptic i think now how do i start it?
[01:37] <Matt|> CraHan_, nope synaptic
[01:37] <StarScream> dad get a torrent file
[01:38] <Matt|> CraHan_, how come? it's been like this for a few days
[01:38] <Quest-Master> ogra: Only programs open are Nautilus, X-Chat and Gaim.
[01:38] <CraHan_> Matt|: ah sorry, don't use thta myself, but you should be able to mark a package fixed so it doesn't try to upgrade
[01:38] <StarScream> dad, then type bittorrent torrentfile..or if you have a gui for it
[01:38] <ogra> Quest-Master: the launcher.....
[01:38] <StarScream> then open up the torrent
[01:38] <CraHan_> Matt|: no idea, just noticed it here today myself
[01:38] <Matt|> CraHan_, ah ok
[01:38] <ogra> Quest-Master: did you create any menu entrys ?
[01:38] <Matt|> shall i whinge in devel?
[01:38] <Quest-Master> I don't think so
[01:38] <dad> ummm from where? I just want to start something like my usenet reader on osx or acquisition
[01:39] <ogra> Quest-Master: or is there any app you installed that created one ?
[01:39] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[01:39] <melazyboy> Man the new evolution in hoary is a piece of shit
[01:39] <Quest-Master> MPlayer is one
[01:39] <melazyboy> even for devel
[01:39] <StarScream> dad, not sure i understand what you mean sorry
[01:39] <Gnobody> is there anyway to restore a the Windows XP boot loader from linux on a fat32 drive?
[01:39] <ogra> Quest-Master: maybe thats the evil one
[01:39] <Matt|> melazyboy, yup
[01:39] <dad> hehe id like to be able to download some music
[01:39] <Quest-Master> Uninstall it then?
[01:39] <Arrrr> does anyone know if i can defragment the file system in linux?
[01:39] <ogra> StarScream: he wants to know how to start bittorrent gui
[01:39] <StarScream> Gnobody, fdisk /mbr ?
[01:39] <Matt|> melazyboy, i have some problems with evolution - occasionally it just randomly disappears
[01:39] <Matt|> Arrrr, no need
[01:40] <Matt|> Arrrr, that's for windows :)
[01:40] <CraHan_> gnome seems to have this admin-share app but it doesn't work
[01:40] <Quest-Master> lol
[01:40] <melazyboy> Matt|: I mean so much so that its disguisting this should be prealpha, Matt| jclick contants and right click personal..
[01:40] <Arrrr> oh ok th
[01:40] <melazyboy> crash.
[01:40] <Arrrr> thx
[01:40] <StarScream> dad, ah ok well bit torrent is slightly different to other p2p programs
[01:40] <Matt|> melazyboy, hang on
[01:40] <CraHan_> it asks for the root password at startup and since ubuntu doesn't have root enabled it bails out
[01:40] <melazyboy> Matt|: And i really need it =/ bah ill need to find a new contant book
[01:40] <CraHan_> has anyone gotten this app working?
[01:40] <Arrrr> why linux does not need defragmentation?
[01:40] <ogra> dad: it has a weird appname ... i dont remember it...wait a sec
[01:40] <Gnobody> Unable to open /mbr
[01:40] <StarScream> dad basically you get a .torrent file from a website
[01:40] <Matt|> melazyboy, that works ok with me
[01:41] <Gnobody> I accidently deleted ntldr
[01:41] <StarScream> then you open the torrent file with your chosen bittorrent client
[01:41] <Gnobody> from linux
[01:41] <Matt|> Arrrr, the file system does not fragment easily
[01:41] <StarScream> and it starts downloading
[01:41] <Arrrr> but it still fragments, right?
[01:41] <CraHan_> isn't it 'btdownloadcurses torrentfile'?
[01:41] <melazyboy> Matt|: Don't know why it crashes for me then i imported maybe 10 contacts, and after i click contacts if i right click the pane above it that says personal it crashes on me
[01:41] <dad> oh ok  i have a lot of music on my osx patition but i guess i cant access it
[01:41] <CraHan_> or 'btdownloadgui torrentfile'
[01:41] <ogra> dad: CraHan_
[01:41] <StarScream> dad yeh you can,
[01:42] <dad> really? thatd be great
[01:42] <Matt|> melazyboy, oh well. Sometimes I left click on the view window of emails and it just disappears ;)
[01:42] <dad> Crahan?
[01:42] <CraHan_> afaik bittorrent is started as either btdownloadheadless, btdownloadgui or btdownloadcurses
[01:42] <CraHan_> depending on what interface to bittorrent you need
[01:42] <Matt|> CraHan_, yeah that's right
[01:42] <StarScream> dad there is 2 ways, the easy way and the hard way...the easy way is to install an ext2 module into osx
[01:42] <ogra> dad: look what he writes
[01:42] <usual> get gnome-bittorrent
[01:42] <Gnobody> StarScream is there a way I can restore NTLDR
[01:42] <Gnobody> ?
[01:42] <Venker> bittornado rules! :)
[01:43] <StarScream> then mount it and copy it to your home dir
[01:43] <ogra> dad: open a terminal and run: btdownloadgui
[01:43] <Gnobody> fixboot on the XP cd from the recovery console doesn't help
[01:43] <CraHan_> headless I never used, curses gives you a semi gui in a console and the gui version is a gtk interface
[01:43] <StarScream> Gnobody, i dont know of the top of my head sorry, i haven't used windows since 98 :)
[01:43] <Gnobody> cool
[01:43] <dad> did that ogra need wxpython installed error
[01:44] <gson> is there anyway to convert an ntfs filesystem to an ext2/ext3 filesystem without destroying all the current data on it?
[01:44] <ogra> dad: ouch.....
[01:44] <Quest-Master> Yay
[01:44] <usual> ogra, gnome-bittorrent works great
[01:44] <dad> thnks starscream
[01:44] <StarScream> dad if you download azureus its a nice gui
[01:44] <Quest-Master> Totem can run my DivX movies
[01:44] <Quest-Master> Whoa
[01:44] <Quest-Master> The videos are really bright and the color is off though
[01:44] <dad> ok ill try
[01:44] <StarScream> dad and its java so its easy and has barely any deps
[01:44] <ogra> usual: is it in warty ?
[01:44] <Quest-Master> Any way to fix that?
[01:44] <Quest-Master> Azureus is a reason why we should code apps in Python and Java :)
[01:44] <usual> ogra, I don't think so but someone made ubuntu packages, i found it in the wiki
[01:45] <StarScream> dad http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
[01:45] <ogra> usual: great !
[01:45] <gson> is there anyway to convert an ntfs filesystem to an ext2/ext3 filesystem without destroying all the current data on it?
[01:45] <CraHan_> Quest-Master: preferences, second tab (display), bottom
[01:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone here has another distro worth mentioning? Im wondering about installing another distro
[01:45] <CraHan_> Quest-Master: there's options there (sliders) for brightness; contrast and saturation/hue
[01:45] <StarScream> dad oh crap your on an OSX box ?
[01:46] <ogra> dad: something to read: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GNOMEBittorrentGUI
[01:46] <usual> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GNOMEBittorrentGUI
[01:46] <StarScream> sun dont make a java PPC linux version
[01:46] <usual> I use it
[01:46] <usual> works great
[01:46] <StarScream> and apple dont make a linux ppc version...downsides of non-OSS software
[01:46] <LinuxJones> gson, can you move the data to another partition then format as ext3 then move the data back. You can't convert ntfs>>ext* as far as I know.
[01:46] <CraHan_> dad: if you're using OSX then you get the OSX bittorrent package here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bittorrent/BitTorrent_OSX_3.4.2.dmg?download
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Thanks a bunch CraHan
[01:47] <Quest-Master> I am now finally set to watch my anime :D
[01:47] <CraHan_> Quest-Master: no problem`
[01:47] <StarScream> CraHan_, i think he's Ubuntu PPC
[01:47] <CraHan_> StarScream: ah ok
[01:47] <StarScream> CraHan_, i wish sun would just OpenSource java...would make life a fcsk load easier
[01:48] <CraHan_> was playing with the Xorg dropshadows and transparency and holy shit is that stuff slow :)
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Python is the best :D
[01:48] <dad> where do i untar azureus?
[01:48] <StarScream> yeh Xcomposite is slow atm...but when they add the opengl backend it will be quick
[01:48] <CraHan_> StarScream: yeah I know :(
[01:49] <CraHan_> StarScream: unfortunately my toshiba has a cyberblade/XP card which isn't 3D accelerated.  Well it is, but it's not supported in linux :/
[01:49] <dad> thanks crahan i think im switching to overload old brain danger will robinson mode
[01:49] <StarScream> dad in yer home dir, but what i was saying before is that I dont think you will be able to run it if your under a PPC Linux as sun dont make java for PPC and getting the version from IBM is painful
[01:49] <CraHan_> so no OpenGL for me
[01:49] <ogra> CraHan_: tecra 8XXX ?
[01:49] <dad> aha another gotcha ;)
[01:49] <CraHan_> ogra: satellite pro 4600
[01:49] <mike8901> how would you guys suggest i give away my 500+ ubuntu cds?
[01:49] <StarScream> CraHan_, then composite wont help you at all i'm afraid
[01:49] <ogra> CraHan_: oh....
[01:49] <CraHan_> StarScream: yeah that's what I was afraid for
[01:49] <StarScream> xdamage might though
[01:50] <ogra> CraHan_: they also had cyberblades.....
[01:50] <Gnobody> You need to enable RenderAccel
[01:50] <Gnobody> CraHan_
[01:50] <LinuxJones> mike8901, how did you get 500 ubuntu cd's ?
[01:50] <StarScream> i have a crappy ati 7500 in this POS laptop and i can only use the framebuffer
[01:50] <Gnobody> it makes xcomposites fast
[01:50] <Venker> so... how are the X.org running under Ubuntu?
[01:50] <Gnobody> hoary
[01:50] <Venker> (I'm using Debian Sarge now)
[01:50] <CraHan_> Gnobody: but doesn't renderaccel require some form of 3D acceleration?
[01:50] <Gnobody> yes
[01:50] <StarScream> CraHan_, yeh it does
[01:50] <ogra> Venker: in the unstable branch
[01:51] <StarScream> Gnobody, his card doesn't support it
[01:51] <Venker> unstable branch is Hoary?
[01:51] <Gnobody> ahh
[01:51] <CraHan_> Gnobody: don't have 3D support for my card under linux; so I'm stuck I'm afraid :/
[01:51] <Gnobody> get a new card
[01:51] <CraHan_> Venker: yup
[01:51] <Gnobody> ;)
[01:51] <dad> thanks a bunch fellas think i might fire up osx and get a bit of work done  cheers
[01:51] <CraHan_> Gnobody: laptop
[01:51] <Venker> thanks :)
[01:51] <Gnobody> ahh
[01:51] <Gnobody> what card is it?
[01:51] <CraHan_> CyberBlade/XP
[01:51] <CraHan_> trident
[01:51] <Gnobody> does it support 3d in windows?
[01:51] <CraHan_> yeah
[01:51] <hk-alfa> hi, squid cache is mount on /var/spool/cache as debian?
[01:51] <StarScream> dad if you need help feel free to come back...it took me a while to get linux going on my ibook
[01:51] <CraHan_> there's been a whole discussion about this card a year or so ago
[01:52] <dad> i will  much appreciated
[01:52] <StarScream> so i know linux PPC isn't the easiest thing
[01:52] <ogra> dad: youre welcome everytime :)
[01:52] <dad> chhers
[01:52] <StarScream> but its worth it if your mainly using X11 apps under OSX anyway
[01:52] <CraHan_> Trident refused to release the specs forthe card without the devs signing an NDA
[01:52] <Gnobody> Why do people run PPC Linux what is wrong with OS X?
[01:52] <CraHan_> so they didn't go forward and just went for plain 2D acceleration
[01:52] <StarScream> Gnobody, slow, clunky and gets in yer way :)
[01:52] <CraHan_> Gnobody: I use OSX on the ibook
[01:52] <CraHan_> I use linux/gnome on the toshiba
[01:52] <socomm> Gnobody: Something to do.
[01:52] <StarScream> Gnobody, and it doesn't have Gnome/KDE/XFCE :)
[01:52] <Gnobody> how slow is it?
[01:53] <CraHan_> Gnobody: I find it very comfortable
[01:53] <Gnobody> it can't be as slow as KDE on a modern g4
[01:53] <CraHan_> of course that's a matter of opinion :)
[01:53] <StarScream> Gnobody, its fast..if you have a G4 but on a g3 linux is much quicker
[01:53] <socomm> StarScream: There are ways to install those on almost any OS.
[01:53] <CraHan_> I use OSX and fink for any linux utils I'm missing
[01:54] <Gnobody> You can USE X11 on OSX
[01:54] <CraHan_> yeah you can
[01:54] <CraHan_> OSX comes with its own X11 server
[01:54] <Gnobody> so why put linux on
[01:54] <Gnobody> ?
[01:54] <StarScream> socomm, yeh but i was using only x11 apps and i had to run aqua underneath it all
[01:54] <CraHan_> I use X forwarding a lot on this machine
[01:54] <StarScream> which was pointless since linux runs much better on my g3 800
[01:54] <CraHan_> isn't it possible to just install Darwin and then install the X apps on top of that?
[01:54] <StarScream> that and apple dont make wireless drivers to go into monitor mode
[01:54] <CraHan_> from the GNUDarwin stuff?
[01:55] <CraHan_> hmmm
[01:55] <StarScream> CraHan_, yeh probably, but if your doing that..you may as well run linux anyway...quicker install
[01:55] <Gnobody> does anybody have point2play with cedega?
[01:55] <CraHan_> I don't think this rendezvous stuff on ubuntu is ready yet :)
[01:55] <CraHan_> better ditch it and wait for it to become a bit more stable
[01:56] <StarScream> rendezvous?
[01:56] <Gnobody> rendezbous for X86?
[01:56] <CraHan_> StarScream: point taken
[01:56] <ogra> WOW, who pointed me to gnome-btdownload thats a really grat tool
[01:56] <ogra> great
[01:56] <socomm> What is redezvous?
[01:56] <Gnobody> ogra is a bit torrent client
[01:56] <CraHan_> Gnobody: yeah there's this mdnsdiscover app which together with a gnome file share thingy enables you to share a public dir in your $home over rendezvous
[01:56] <Gnobody> ?
[01:57] <aquarius> I admit that this is strictly a Gnome 2.8 question, but how can I put a panel applet of some kind in the far right corner of the top panel with a warty installation?
[01:57] <LinuxJones> ogra, bittornado is much better :)
[01:57] <StarScream> dont get me wrong OSX is great...but when your coming from linux to OSX, it can feel a little restrictive...especially since i use kde so i have EVERYTHING gui related customized
[01:57] <socomm> ogra: Linkage?
[01:57] <ogra> Gnobody: i know, but someone pointed me there...i'm just looking at it....nice integrated already
[01:57] <CraHan_> aquarius: make sure the other applets aren't locked, if they are, right click on them and then select unlock.  Then middle click on the applet you want to move and drag it to the corner
[01:57] <StarScream> CraHan_, i think gnome 3 will do that when its released
[01:57] <CraHan_> StarScream: I'll wait then :)
[01:58] <StarScream> CraHan_, could use samba
[01:58] <ogra> CraHan_: that could take years ;)
[01:58] <CraHan_> StarScream: yeah but there's this app in gnome in ubuntu now called admin-share or something
[01:58] <CraHan_> if you start it, it asks for the root pass
[01:58] <ogra> CraHan_: i think they will follow the 2.xx for a while.....
[01:58] <socomm> http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/
[01:59] <CraHan_> and since ubuntu doesn't have a root user enabled by default it'll fail :)
[01:59] <aquarius> CraHan_, ahaha! Unlock! I didn't know about that. Thanks!
[01:59] <CraHan_> aquarius: np
[01:59] <aquarius> And now I have a window selector widget. Hooray!
[01:59] <ogra> socomm: ubuntu pkg ;)  http://www.sury.org/ubuntu/
[01:59] <CraHan_> it's under System Tools and it's called shares
[01:59] <StarScream> CraHan_, sudo passwd root
[01:59] <CraHan_> StarScream: yeah but shouldn't it be made to function without that?
[02:00] <CraHan_> so the regular joe can use it?
[02:00] <CraHan_> maybe through gksu?
[02:00] <ogra> CraHan_: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:00] <CraHan_> lemme check that out :)
[02:00] <StarScream> CraHan_, hmm why does it need root perms?
[02:00] <StarScream> if its designed for end lusers
[02:00] <CraHan_> no idea, but it's asking for them
[02:01] <StarScream> are you sure it doesn't just need it for the initial set up
[02:01] <CraHan_> it says 'to run this tool you need administrator privileges' and it asks for you to enter your root password
[02:01] <ogra> CraHan_: it should ask for your password, else its a bug, report it
[02:01] <Quest-Master> When doing a mount, how can I mount it for users too?
[02:01] <StarScream> see if you can find the projects home page and check out the docs...i'd say that would be your best bet. I can't imagine they would make an end user tool that need root perms
[02:02] <CraHan_> it doesn't ask for the users password
[02:02] <StarScream> it could just be to crank up the daemon
[02:02] <CraHan_> it wants the root pass
[02:02] <ogra> CraHan_: what happens if you use the user pw ?
[02:02] <StarScream> anyhoo, me bed now..
[02:02] <CraHan_> ogra: fails, says it's incorrect
[02:02] <mike8901> then its right...
[02:03] <mike8901> you need the ROOT password
[02:03] <mike8901> not the users password
[02:03] <CraHan_> yeah I know
[02:03] <mike8901> soo... whats the problem?
[02:03] <CraHan_> but since ubuntu is built around the sudo concept
[02:03] <CraHan_> sholdn't it be changed?
[02:03] <ogra> CraHan_: file a bug, it uses gksu where it should use gksudo ... this is on hoary ?
[02:03] <CraHan_> so it uses gksu mike8901 ?
[02:03] <CraHan_> ogra: yeah
[02:04] <sidney> can anybody tell me how to set the default sound output device?
[02:04] <ogra> CraHan_: so go on... you found a bug....squash it ;)
[02:04] <Arrrr> hmmm
[02:04] <CraHan_> ogra: yeah adding gksudo in the properties dialog fixes it :)
[02:04] <Arrrr> nvu compilation takes agesssssssssss
[02:04] <ogra> sidney: whats wrong with your sound ?
[02:04] <CraHan_> ogra: that's bug nr 3 I filed so far ;)
[02:04] <ogra> CraHan_: but you should report it....then it gets fixed in the pkg
[02:05] <sidney> I have two devices but the sound isn't going out the one I want. How can I change which one it goes out?
[02:05] <CraHan_> always happy to help though
[02:05] <CraHan_> ogra: doing that now
[02:05] <ogra> CraHan_: great
[02:06] <sidney> ogra, any ideas?
[02:07] <ogra> sidney: hmm, probably through the load order of the modules of your sound devices..... do you know the modules the two devices use ?
[02:08] <SuperQ> hrm
[02:08] <SuperQ> BlueToof
[02:08] <Arrrr> what's a good firewall program for ubuntu?
[02:09] <socomm> Arrrr: iptables.
[02:09] <Arrrr> hmmm
[02:09] <Arrrr> command line????
[02:09] <socomm> Arrrr: you probably want firestarter.
[02:09] <ogra> sidney: the sound output will always use /dev/dsp , the first sounddevice detected claims this device node i think
[02:09] <socomm> Arrrr: yes iptables == commandline
[02:09] <LinuxJones> Arrrr, you can try firestarter it's a gnome based gui
[02:09] <Arrrr> ok
[02:09] <SuperQ> Arrrrrrrrrrrr!
[02:09] <SuperQ> I'm a pirate
[02:09] <Arrrr> hahaah
[02:10] <SuperQ> damn.. need to figure out ubuntu+bluetooth
[02:10] <sidney> ogra, soundcore, snd, snd_pcm, usbcore
[02:11] <socomm> SuperQ: http://google.com/linux
[02:11] <sidney> those are what i get when I look at lsmod
[02:11] <SuperQ> socomm: heh.. duh
[02:11] <ogra> SuperQ: dig through the mailing lists...packages exist......
[02:11] <SuperQ> ogra: yea.. i'm looking at some of it
[02:11] <SuperQ> i found some packages
[02:11] <SuperQ> big problem is, the Treo 650 and the T5 changed their hotsync protocol
[02:11] <sidney> ogra, I have internal speakers and a usb soundcard
[02:11] <SuperQ> need to see if anyone has come up with patches for gnome-pilot
[02:12] <CraHan_> there
[02:12] <ogra> sidney: look for something like snd-blah123  or post the output of: lsmod|grep snd         to #flood
[02:12] <CraHan_> bug filed :)
[02:12] <ogra> sidney: oh
[02:13] <limaunion> does anyone know how can i change the icons (the image i mean) from gdesklets' starter-bar ?
[02:13] <SuperQ> .11.8 doesn't seem to work
[02:13] <SuperQ> (of pilot-link)
[02:13] <sidney> ogra, I'll put it on #flood
[02:13] <ogra> sidney: great
[02:14] <Gnobody> I know I souldn't ask this but could somebody DCC me Point2Play?
[02:15] <Quest-Master> Is there a program similar to Add/Remove Programs in WinXP here in Ubuntu?
[02:15] <Quest-Master> Besides Synaptic, it doesn't have a lot of the programs which are really installed
[02:15] <socomm> Quest-Master: apt-get remove package
[02:16] <Quest-Master> Is that the only way?
[02:16] <Gnobody> dpkg -r
[02:16] <ogra> sidney: snd_ali5451 is one and snd_usb_audio is the other......
[02:16] <Gnobody> dpkg is more powerful
[02:16] <socomm> Quest-Master: bach + rm
[02:16] <socomm> s/bach/bash
[02:16] <CraHan_> time for me to get to bed
[02:16] <Quest-Master> Like, 85% of my partition is already used
[02:16] <ogra> sidney: i guess you want the external sound.....
[02:16] <CraHan_> I'll see you all later =)
[02:18] <socomm> Linux is getting boring.
[02:18] <socomm> :^/
[02:18] <sidney> ogra, yes
[02:18] <melazyboy> is there anyway to disable gxines stupid ass warning about wmf files
[02:18] <RuffianSoldier> Ubuntu is going to blow away Linux
[02:18] <ogra> sidney: do you need the internal sound ?
[02:18] <sidney> nope
[02:18] <Quest-Master> See, there are programs that CAN'T be removed with dpkg or apt-get
[02:18] <Quest-Master> Such as the games that are included like Ataxx and Solitaire that I want to remove
[02:18] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: really, does ubuntu have a new kernel in the works?
[02:19] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: Ubuntu is a LINUX distro...
[02:19] <RuffianSoldier> ya
[02:19] <RuffianSoldier> but its going to break the mould
[02:20] <melazyboy> ...
[02:20] <melazyboy> k...
[02:20] <ogra> sidney: sudo echo snd-ali5451 >>  /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[02:20] <ogra> sidney: should prevent the internal sound from loading
[02:20] <melazyboy> if your trying to test alsasound you can just pipe urandom to aplay
[02:21] <sidney> ogra, and If I do need to get the internal sound back?
[02:21] <melazyboy> cat /dev/urandom | aplay
[02:21] <ogra> sidney: if it doesnt work, remove the last line from /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base (i.e. sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base)
[02:22] <sidney> ogra, check out flood; is that normal?
[02:22] <ogra> sidney: yep
[02:23] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: is this a Microkernel, or Monolithic kernel?
[02:23] <ogra> sidney: these are the deprecated oss modules that arent used anymore....so they are blacklisted to prevent collisions with alsa
[02:23] <sidney> ogra, so what does the last line have to do anything about anything?
[02:24] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: Or a hybrid kernel? That would be so 1337!!!!1
[02:24] <SuperQ> haha
[02:24] <ogra> sidney: the command i gave you adds snd-ali5451 as the last line
[02:24] <RuffianSoldier> socomm, naa, they have something up there sleeve
[02:24] <sidney> ogra, the command, i get "Permission denied"
[02:25] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: o.O
[02:25] <ogra> sidney: so if you remove it again the module gets loaded on next boot
[02:25] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: W00T!
[02:25] <Quest-Master> Where is the fstab file located?
[02:25] <sidney> ogra, well, gedit did it for me
[02:25] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: I'm gonna be like "H4X T3H PL4N3T!!!1" when it's released.
[02:25] <ogra> sidney: just add it with sudo gedit /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base
[02:25] <SuperQ> lol
[02:26] <ogra> sidney: i forgot you have to use tee if you use echo with sudo, sorry....
[02:26] <sidney> ogra: so a restart is needed?
[02:26] <socomm> RuffianSoldier: heh, I'm just playing with. Anyhow I gotta go, cya.
[02:27] <ogra> sidney: you can remove all the sound related modules manually....a reboot is faster :)
[02:27] <sidney> ogra, heh thanks for all your help!
[02:27] <MacRohard> SuperQ, meh. it's not that great ;)
[02:27] <spity> hi
[02:27] <SuperQ> MacRohard: heh
[02:27] <ogra> sidney: hope it works :)
[02:27] <SuperQ> MacRohard: sup
[02:27] <MacRohard> no much
[02:28] <SuperQ> MacRohard: damn.. i can't seem to find the pilot-link cvs tree
[02:28] <wood1> Hi all
[02:28] <SuperQ> MacRohard: I guess they have some kind of working T5/Treo650 code in there
[02:28] <wood1> Can somebody tell me the basics to setup PGP for my Emails
[02:28] <MacRohard> SuperQ, it's prolly on sourceforge
[02:28] <SuperQ> yea
[02:29] <SuperQ> eek
[02:29] <SuperQ> pilot-link files on sf are old
[02:29] <SuperQ> wood1: you first need to generate a key
[02:29] <SuperQ> wood1: have you done that
[02:30] <Quest-Master> ogra: can you tell me in #flood if this is the right way fstab should be?
[02:30] <SuperQ> wood1: you're running ubuntu right?
[02:30] <ogra> SuperQ: would multisync do it ? there are realtively fresh packages....
[02:31] <Quest-Master> I want the Windows partition to be mounted as soon as I start up too btw
[02:31] <ogra> Quest-Master: put the two zeros in, like on the other lines
[02:32] <SuperQ> ogra: dunno, but i guess all the gui apps like gnome-pilot depend on the pilot-link libs
[02:32] <ogra> SuperQ: ah, i thought you wnated to sync evolution.....
[02:32] <sidney> OGRA! You are the master. Kudos!
[02:32] <ogra> wnated
[02:32] <ogra> sidney: :)
[02:33] <sidney> Thanks bud!
[02:33] <ogra> sidney: just good guessing (and a bit experience ....)
[02:33] <SuperQ> ogra: i do
[02:34] <MacRohard> SuperQ, maybe it just isn't being worked on
[02:34] <SuperQ> ogra: gnome-pilot has an evolution conduit
[02:34] <SuperQ> MacRohard: mailing list says that .12 (.11 is current) is being worked on for T5 and hopefuly Treo650 support
[02:34] <ogra> SuperQ: could these help ? http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu/
[02:35] <SuperQ> ogra: maybe
[02:35] <SuperQ> ogra: i havn't used the multisync stuff before
[02:35] <asubedi> are there any hoary livecds yet?
[02:36] <tyrano> is there a TeX or LaTeX editor in ubuntu
[02:36] <SuperQ> tyrano: probably in universe
[02:36] <bonzai> u can use kile
[02:36] <ogra> SuperQ: i just followed the thread on the ML.....
[02:36] <SuperQ> ogra: ok
[02:36] <SuperQ> ogra: thanks
[02:36] <ogra> asubedi: sure
[02:36] <SuperQ> ogra: whichh list
[02:37] <Rene_S> Hmm, there is no gdk-pixbuf-2.0 in warty or hoary ?  Can't make gdesklets without it.
[02:37] <ogra> asubedi: hoary...., oh, no....sorry
[02:37] <ogra> asubedi: i was to fast
[02:37] <ogra> SuperQ: ubuntu-users
[02:38] <ilmari> Rene_S: it's in libgtk2.0-dev
[02:38] <ilmari> libgtk2.0-dev: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gdk-pixbuf-2.0.pc
[02:38] <Rene_S> oh, ok thanks
[02:39] <dad_> hi fellas
[02:39] <LinuxJones> dad_, hiya
[02:39] <dad_> pretty addictive this learning stuff
[02:40] <ogra> dad_: hehe
[02:40] <SuperQ> hah
[02:40] <dad_> i was on osx and i thought hey i havent touched the keyboard in 5 mins im bored lol
[02:40] <ogra> Rene_S: if you compile more often you may like to install gnome-core-devel
[02:41] <dad_> now can someone please tell me where all my apps are so i can add them to the menus?
[02:42] <Rene_S> ilmari, thanks alot, I had all the libgdk things installed except that one
[02:42] <ogra> dad_: first on creating menu entrys: open the file manger (Computer->disks) and type ctrl-L
[02:42] <ogra> dad_: in the popup type:  applications://
[02:43] <Rene_S> ogra, normally i would have used the available deb, but for some reason I could not make it work
[02:43] <Rene_S> ogra, thanks for the tip though I probably will do that now, just in case
[02:43] <ogra> dad_: there you see your applications menu....if you rightclick now you have the opion to create a launcher or folder in the menu
[02:43] <dad_> ooh look lotsof colour
[02:44] <dad_> ok
[02:44] <bonzai> do u know a way to get g++ less strict ?
[02:44] <bonzai> i try to compile thread program
[02:44] <dad_> should i create a launcher?
[02:45] <bob2> bonzai: "less strict"?
[02:45] <bonzai> i mean i have written a code
[02:45] <ogra> dad_: apps normally install their executables in /usr/bin if you installed a package that hasnt created a launcher, look in synaptic in the poackage deatiuls
[02:45] <bonzai> i compile it at school
[02:45] <bonzai> but on my box i can't
[02:45] <ogra> weird typing today....
[02:45] <bonzai> so i would to configure g++
[02:46] <melazyboy> bonzai: Welcome to the wonders of coding...
[02:46] <bonzai> :'(
[02:46] <bob2> bonzai: sounds like you need to fix your code
[02:46] <bonzai> yes
[02:46] <bonzai> i try
[02:46] <dad_> can i go straight to/usr/bin?
[02:46] <melazyboy> bonzai: check the version of GCC at school vs at home, as well as glibc, those tend to be the decisive factor in unix platform compatability
[02:47] <bonzai> but i picked up basic example on the net
[02:47] <bonzai> but i can't compile any of them
[02:47] <ogra> dad_: you could go too....but i would use synaptic....for the start and look at the specific package you want a launcher for.....
[02:47] <melazyboy> ie gcc 2.9x will not compile the same code gcc 3.x will compile and vise versa, thats why gentoo sucks, because half of its packages are for 2.9 other for 3.x and no telling if you will get a clean stable compile or not =D my opinion of coarse
[02:48] <dad_> i dont see any paths in synaptic when i look at installed package details just version
[02:48] <melazyboy> bonzai, btw GCC isn't c++ its c, try g++
[02:48] <mike8901> melazyboy: this could be solved by having both gcc 2.9 and gcc 3.x on the system and designating which to use in the ebuild
[02:48] <bonzai> i tried g++
[02:49] <bonzai> but the worst part is
[02:49] <bonzai> that the code is for QNX
[02:49] <bonzai> not for linux
[02:49] <bob2> bonzai: maybe you should just paste the error to #flood instead of making vague comments about "errors"?
[02:49] <bonzai> :'(
[02:49] <bonzai> k
[02:49] <melazyboy> mike8901: It _could_ be but its not, and probably won't ever happen, look at all of the shitty rpm distros still around when we have the pico and dbf pkg management systems...
[02:49] <melazyboy> bonzai or erxz.com/pb
[02:49] <jdub> dudes
[02:50] <ogra> dad_: hmmm, i have five tabs in the details....
[02:50] <bonzai> /tmp/ccTPz53M.o(.text+0x39): dans la fonction  main :
[02:50] <bonzai> : undefined reference to `pthread_create'
[02:50] <bonzai> thats a typicall error
[02:50] <jdub> distro comparisons elsewhere please :)
[02:50] <dad_> ah ok properties i see them
[02:50] <ogra> dad_: one is called installed files....
[02:51] <dad_> yes i see it
[02:51] <melazyboy> jdub: I don't see how its off topic,, if someone asks why i chose ubuntu over the other distros i state one of the biggest reasons is i'm fed of with RPMs...
[02:51] <ogra> dad_: look for /usr/bin and you got the executable.....this one you can fill in the launcher (with /usr/bin)
[02:52] <jdub> melazyboy: it's unnecessary here, there are lots of other places to talk about that stuff. thanks.
[02:52] <dad_> k
[02:53] <KeyserSoze> hey fellas is there a netinstall for amd64?
[02:53] <KeyserSoze> a mini.iso for adm64
[02:53] <jdub> KeyserSoze: we don't have netinst images for any arch.
[02:54] <jdub> KeyserSoze: there are netboot images for tftp booting
[02:54] <LinuxJones> Netinstalls are Awesome !!
[02:54] <dad_> right thanks a lot ogra
[02:55] <ogra> ;)
[02:55] <dad_> i installed systemutils but dont seem to be able to run it
[02:55] <dad_> the?
[02:55] <dad_> them?
[02:56] <KeyserSoze> jdub: fabbione gave me a link for a mini.iso for i386
[02:56] <Quest-Master> ogra?
[02:56] <KeyserSoze> wondering if there is one for adm64
[02:56] <LinuxJones> KeyserSoze, a netinstall for Ubuntu ?
[02:56] <jdub> KeyserSoze: they're not official
[02:57] <melazyboy> btw here is a bug in hoary, after upgrading to hoary the link to evolution is changed on the applications menu in gnome but not on the top panel which will remain pointing to v.2.0
[02:57] <jdub> melazyboy: it's filed.
[02:57] <KeyserSoze> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[02:57] <ogra> Quest-Master: ?
[02:57] <KeyserSoze> there we go
[02:57] <KeyserSoze> jdub: that doesn't concern me
[02:57] <KeyserSoze> just wanna get a base install
[02:58] <jdub> KeyserSoze: use a netboot image, or download the CD and type 'custom' at the install prompt
[02:58] <KeyserSoze> I don't want to download the cd
[02:58] <KeyserSoze> thats the whole point
[02:58] <gloin_> where's yer tag...
[03:00] <KeyserSoze> my tag?
[03:00] <gloin_> hmm
[03:00] <gloin_> !
[03:00] <KeyserSoze> my clan tag?
[03:00] <gloin_> let's just say there appears to be more than one KeyserSoze
[03:01] <gloin_> or you're on more than one irc network
[03:01] <Rene_S> Wow compiling gDesklets was a lot like work :(
[03:02] <Quest-Master> ogra, could you look at my fstab in #flood?
[03:03] <dad_> noone know how to start sysutils?
[03:04] <dad_> or alternatively is real player available for ubuntu?
[03:04] <ogra> dad_: sysutils is a system package that is not for users ;)
[03:04] <dad_> no music is driving me nuts hehe
[03:04] <ogra> Quest-Master: post it
[03:04] <Quest-Master> It's in #flood
[03:04] <dad_> oh i got it from synaptic it said a collection of little system monitoring apps
[03:05] <LinuxJones> dad_, you have no sound at all ?
[03:05] <dad_> yes great sound thnks to you guys harmon kardon soundsticks  just no internet radio or bbc on real player
[03:05] <LinuxJones> yikes
[03:06] <dad_> bbc is a time warp i can listen to all the reruns of shows when i was a kid
[03:06] <dad_> ie pre ww2
[03:06] <dad_> yikes!
[03:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: its still the same....
[03:07] <mgoose> hello all
[03:07] <LinuxJones> dad_, you can goto real and download their latest media player.
[03:07] <mgoose> can somebody help me set up my DSL to work on ubuntu?
[03:07] <Quest-Master> Yeah, is that ok or does anything need to be changed?
[03:07] <Quest-Master> I want it to be mounted at startup and be available to the users
[03:08] <dad_> i tried that linux but i couldnt get it installed due to my being a total klutz
[03:08] <LinuxJones> mgoose, have you tried ppoeconf ?
[03:08] <mgoose> I have Verizon, but i dont see and DSL configuration packages around the menus
[03:08] <mgoose> and obviously no way to get them with apt
[03:08] <mgoose> do I need to dl rp-ppoe?
[03:08] <ogra> Quest-Master: it should be ok, but for cleanness you should add the two zeros like all the other lines have
[03:09] <ogra> mgoose: pppoeconf
[03:09] <dad_> ill try again
[03:09] <LinuxJones> dad_, you can just install it to your users directory, then adjust the file associations to point to the app in your home dir.
[03:09] <mgoose> ok ty, and what would the command be once its installed?
[03:09] <ogra> mgoose: pppoeconf :)
[03:10] <mgoose> heh excellent
[03:10] <mgoose> figures :-/
[03:10] <Quest-Master> Ok
[03:10] <mgoose> thx again
[03:10] <ogra> :)
[03:10] <ogra> come back if you got issues... someone here will help :)
[03:11] <mgoose> sounds great :-)
[03:14] <dad_> cannot execute binary file?
[03:14] <mike8901> is there any other linux distro that gives out cds like ubuntu does?
[03:15] <Gnobody> no
[03:15] <Gnobody> not that I know of
[03:16] <mike8901> :D
[03:16] <dad_> realplayer linux .bin file cannot execute binary file error LinuxJones
[03:16] <mike8901> how much did it cost to ship it?
[03:16] <mike8901> from zurich to us
[03:17] <Gnobody> dad_ change the permissions on it
[03:17] <Gnobody> right click it
[03:17] <Gnobody> and check execute
[03:17] <LinuxJones> dad_, you need to goto console and chmod 770 filename.bin
[03:17] <Gnobody> or that
[03:17] <stuNNed> is there a .deb to set up realplayer 10?
[03:17] <bigbubba> what is a good window manager for a p3 450mhz computer i have heard of fluxbox and tried it but it seems very very minimal and i haven't a clue how to set it up to look right :( i can hardly read the font on it. if anyone is willing to help or point me to a website for reading on how to setup it up that would be great thanks
[03:18] <Gnobody> XFCE
[03:18] <Gnobody> XFCE pwnz
[03:18] <Gnobody> especially 4.2
[03:18] <dad_> under the file props i have execute permissions?
[03:18] <LinuxJones> Gnobody, 4.2 looks awesome
[03:20] <dad_> strange
[03:21] <dad_> what is the correct file extension for executable?
[03:22] <ogra> dad_: there is none..... you can use every file extension
[03:22] <ogra> dad_: linux uses file _rights_
[03:23] <dad_> ooook....well unfortunately i cant open realplayer bin at all
[03:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> where can I find the description for using gbittorrent in ubuntu?
[03:23] <dad_> even after chmodding
[03:24] <ogra> dad_: is it for linux ppc ?
[03:24] <ultrakorne> hile_, there is someone unlucky like i am with a smart battery on his laptop?
[03:24] <dad_> yes it is
[03:24] <dad_> oh wait let me check
[03:25] <dad_> perhaps not the download just says linux
[03:25] <dad_> excellent catch
[03:26] <ogra> dad_: have a look at streamtuner it knows a million radion stations....
[03:27] <dad_> oops following the yellowdog.com link still doesnt tell me if its ppc or not
[03:27] <dad_> yeah ? okie dokie
[03:27] <ogra> dad_: and already has a menu entry  ;)
[03:28] <ogra> dad_: if you install streamripper too, you are able to record :)
[03:29] <dad_> veeeery nice  hehe  works a treat
[03:31] <Matrix_> anyone know the link for manually going thru ubuntu's pool
[03:32] <Matrix_> to download an app say..
[03:32] <Matrix_> have it , its ok
[03:32] <ogra> Matrix_: why dont you use synaptic ?
[03:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone here uses bittornado?
[03:32] <Matrix_> cause im in a net cafe and dont have inet access at home :)
[03:33] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: this one looks nice: http://www.sury.org/ubuntu/
[03:34] <ogra> Matrix_: ah, understand... but if the package has dependencys it wont work to just install it
[03:34] <ogra> oh....blind me
[03:35] <dad__> ogra streamtuner is stunning
[03:36] <ogra> dad__: knew you would like it ;)
[03:36] <dad__> my soundsticks are sooooo loud   even at lowest system vol
[03:36] <jind> Does anybody know of some good cd burning programs to gnome?
[03:37] <dad__> ubuntu is growing on me like a mould
[03:37] <ogra> jind: nautilus burns data cds just fine......audio is lacking a bit
[03:37] <jind> Nothing for audio?
[03:37] <jind> I need that
[03:38] <jind> I could always install k3b, but then I would not have a pure gnome system
[03:38] <housetier> as long as it works
[03:39] <ogra> jind: i started a little mp3 , ogg burner app, but its still very young and doenst work on all systems....
[03:39] <jind> Does anybody know of a gnome cd burning project to come later on then?
[03:39] <FSK405C> Anyone been able to get Ubuntu running on Virtual PC on OS X?
[03:39] <ogra> jind: there is coaster....but no audio yet
[03:39] <jind> Hmm, I guess k3b is my best bet
[03:40] <georgia> FSK405C: why not just run the ppc version of it?
[03:40] <ogra> jind: and rhythmbox will have audio burning in the next gnome release i heard
[03:40] <ogra> jind: btw: next gnome release == next ubuntu release ;)
[03:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> Does anyone has a good film suggestion?
[03:41] <Gnobody> is there anyway to speed up page loads in firefox?
[03:41] <jind> Gnobody, get a faster internet line
[03:41] <jind> ;)
[03:42] <ogra> jind: regard this.... for k3b : https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[03:42] <Gnobody> I have a 5MB line
[03:42] <Gnobody> I hardly think it is my line
[03:42] <ogra> Gnobody: double it :)
[03:43] <jind> ogra, thanks mate :)
[03:43] <ogra> Gnobody: to prove it :)
[03:43] <ogra> jind: but if you like to test, feel invited: http://www.grawert.net/software/mrburns/
[03:43] <jind> I was looking for exactly that site
[03:44] <mike8901> haahahaha
[03:44] <mike8901> * ion has joined #sp
 today's my birthday
 yo happy bday man ;)
 thanks, my dad brought me a new case home from his work today
 ok, it's not a new case, it's my old one...i didnt like the gray metal frame so i wanted to change the color
 What color?
 gold. i was going to spray paint it, but it would have ended up melting. so my dad said he'd take it to work
 he works at this metal coating place
 just brought it home today. looks awesome
 So you have a gold plated tower?
 no it's not gold...something else...let me go ask
 copper. it's copper
 Copper plated?? Is it running right now?
 no dude...on my other pc..i just finished hooking up the mobo and stuff, i'm about to start it
 stand back
 Before you turn it on...I think you should know something...
[03:44] <mike8901> * ion has quit IRC (No Route to Host)
 Copper is a conductor of electricity.
 think we should have told him?
 nah, it's funnier this way.
 of course...<>
[03:45] <jind> ogra, i have bookmarked it for later :)
[03:45] <ogra> :)
[03:46] <jind> First k3b, then perhaps i'll take a look at your project to see how it works :)
[03:57] <stuNNed> so if running hoary is it safe to uninstall fam if using gamin?
[03:59] <KeyserSoze> anyone know whats up with the enlightenment package on hoary?
[03:59] <dad__> any espresso fiends here?
[03:59] <KeyserSoze> can't install it
[03:59] <melazyboy> wtf is wrong with my damn comp every time hit ctrl+tab it opens 100 tabs in moz
[03:59] <KeyserSoze> says package is not available
[04:01] <dad__> espresso machines are great
[04:03] <dad__> thanks for all the help bye bye for now
[04:03] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, you running hoary ?
[04:03] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: Yes, i know i probably deserve it, but hoary was working fine 10min ago.
[04:04] <melazyboy> and i haven't upgraded in 15min..
[04:04] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, muuaahhhhh :)
[04:04] <melazyboy> so why can't god just give me a little breather on this one
[04:04] <melazyboy> before i give the computer some swimming lessons
[04:04] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, move back to warty it works fine :D
[04:05] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: Was expecting that...
[04:05] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: thats makes you predictable....
[04:05] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: And thats something hoary lacks.
[04:05] <melazyboy> =[
[04:05] <LinuxJones> heh
[04:05] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, I had Hoary installed for about an hour, I feel ur pain :D
[04:06] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: Wow i found the problem
[04:06] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: And its interesting.
[04:06] <LinuxJones> ??
[04:07] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: Aparently when i had 100 copies of totem running, the program randomly crashes because totem blows balls and it should never have made it into Hoary, and it some how interfered with the way moz captured keystrokes, i hit alt+tab once and got 122 tabs
[04:07] <LinuxJones> lol
[04:08] <LinuxJones> apt-get --purge remove totem :)
[04:09] <melazyboy> what exactly does purge do that remove doesn't?
[04:09] <Arrrr> hello
[04:09] <melazyboy> that kills all *totem* packages rather than just totem
[04:09] <vera1> removes all the config files and directoryies
[04:09] <Arrrr> has anyone successfully compile nvu in ubuntu?
[04:09] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, it deletes config files etc...
[04:09] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, total removal
[04:10] <Quest-Master> ogra: It mounts my Windows partition perfectly, but only su can still access it
[04:10] <melazyboy> see if i do that it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:10] <cef> removes the program and all related data, like config files, data files (sometimes asked about at install time), etc
[04:10] <melazyboy> which probably isn't a good idea
[04:10] <Quest-Master> In the options in fstab, shouldn't "user" allow users to access the mount?
[04:10] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, that's ok it's just a metapackage
[04:11] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: What if in the future they add more packages to ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <egon_spengler> Quest-Master, Try umask0000 instead
[04:11] <melazyboy> apt-get dist-upgrade won't receive them.. because it removed the distro encapsulating package?
[04:12] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, it will probably want to re-install it but, hopefully Hoary will be stable by then :D
[04:12] <Quest-Master> Inside the options?
[04:13] <melazyboy> LinuxJones: I would think otherwise,,, my idea on it is because ubuntu-desktop requires totem, it will remove the meta package totem, and you will have to specify to get the newer ubuntu-desktop, rather than running a dist-upgrade command for a full upgrade
[04:13] <egon_spengler> Try /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows ntfs,umask0000 0 0
[04:13] <melazyboy> err remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <LinuxJones> melazyboy, I was joking, when you run unstable distros you have to sometimes put up with problems
[04:14] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda2       /mnt            vfat    rw,umask0000
[04:14] <Quest-Master> And then a 0    0 after it
[04:14] <Quest-Master> On the next line
[04:14] <Quest-Master> Is that correct?
[04:14] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: ... shoulen't the command in fstab be a simple users,rw
[04:14] <cef> LinuxJones: yeah, like not being able to boot.. *sigh*
[04:14] <LinuxJones> cef, ?
[04:14] <Quest-Master> Oh, users instead of user, hehe
[04:14] <Quest-Master> Let's see if it works now
[04:14] <melazyboy> /dev/hda2 /mnt ntfs rw,users
[04:14] <Quest-Master> brb
[04:15] <LinuxJones> cef, you upgraded and now can't boot ?
[04:15] <cef> LinuxJones: when I upgraded a box recently to hoary, the machine lost it's kernel
[04:15] <cef> I was actually thinking about reinstalling it recently anyway
[04:15] <cef> wanted to use lvm
[04:15] <cef> but I was going to wait till the install cd's arrived..
[04:15] <LinuxJones> cef, stick with Warty it has LVM
[04:16] <gson> is there anyway to convert an ntfs filesystem to an ext2/ext3 filesystem without destroying all the current data on it?
[04:16] <melazyboy> I regret upgrading to hoary, i jsut don't care enough to switch back
[04:16] <LinuxJones> cef, LVM is on by default for me not that I use it :D
[04:16] <cef> LinuxJones: nah I was just trying out hoary for other reasons.. hence why I'm not worried.. just upgrading stuff and finding the kernel isn't there anymore is no fun
[04:16] <georgia> gson: not as far as i know.
[04:16] <gson> k, fuck:/
[04:16] <melazyboy> gson, only with a temporary partition, tpmfs, or another intermediary partition
[04:16] <gson> jupp
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> hum...
[04:17] <LinuxJones> gson, no you will have to move your data then convert the partition to ext3 then move the data back. afaik
[04:17] <gson> no good then:)
[04:17] <cef> LinuxJones: grub had 2 entries for the kernel, neither actually could find a kernel on disk
[04:17] <melazyboy> gson well you could make a script that does it,,,, i imagine it would take a very very long time though
[04:17] <gson> heh yepp:)
[04:17] <gson> heh tnx anyway:)
[04:18] <LinuxJones> cef, have you looked @ the ubuntu lists this is a known problem I seem to recall
[04:18] <Quest-Master> Nope, same thing
[04:18] <melazyboy> move 1gig to tpmfs, resize ntfs 1gig smaller, new partition 1gig, move data from tmpfs restart
[04:18] <Quest-Master> /dev/hda2       /mnt            vfat    rw,users
[04:18] <LinuxJones> cef, there might be a work around somewhere
[04:18] <cef> LinuxJones: yeah.. I know how to fix it.. but I was planning on reformatting the machine anyway
[04:18] <cef> LinuxJones: ie: going to lvm.. just sort of pointing out to people to be careful before rebooting
[04:19] <alka_trash> anyone using bmp?
[04:19] <Quest-Master> Me.
[04:19] <LinuxJones> cef, it's usually less work to re-install than to fix stuff in development releases :)
[04:19] <coastie> could i get some help setting up a ppp connection?
[04:19] <alka_trash> anyone want a deb for playing wma files?
[04:19] <ironwolf> coastie: sudo pppconfig
[04:19] <alka_trash> I just built it using hoary
[04:19] <alka_trash> works well here
[04:20] <Quest-Master> Can I just put the umask0000 inside the options?
[04:20] <Quest-Master> rw,umask0000
[04:20] <LinuxJones> alka_trash, wma is trash use .ogg
[04:20] <coastie> ironwolf: sweet thanks....is there something in that so that i can specify my modem?
[04:20] <ironwolf> coastie: I believe so.
[04:20] <alka_trash> LinuxJones: I agree, but I have some old rips in wma
[04:20] <coastie> ok thanks...getting ready to do the install.
[04:21] <alka_trash> and I always run into web sh!t that uses that format
[04:21] <LinuxJones> alka_trash, I think you can convert them but not without some quality loss :(
[04:21] <alka_trash> hmm
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Anyone? ;-;
[04:21] <alka_trash> okay
[04:21] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: man fstab|grep user
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Reformatting fstab(5), please wait...
[04:22] <Quest-Master>        boot time), ``user'' (allow a user  to  mount),  and  ``owner''  (allow
[04:23] <melazyboy> right...
[04:23] <melazyboy> the comand 'user' as an option will allow users to mount the filesystem
[04:23] <melazyboy> now do the same thing and grep for umask.
[04:23] <Quest-Master> man umask|grep umask?
[04:23] <melazyboy> right
[04:24] <melazyboy> it's not a trick excercise
[04:24] <melazyboy> it shoulden't find anything
[04:24] <melazyboy> and for a good reason, its not option (not one i have ever seen if it is)
[04:25] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: I believe the fstab file differs from 2.4.x to 2.6.x the format for mine would be the following
[04:25] <Quest-Master> Ok, what I want to do is let the Windows partition be mounted at startup automatically with users being able to view/execute/edit files in it
[04:25] <melazyboy> /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win vfat user,rw 0 0
[04:26] <Quest-Master> So, would /dev/hda2       /mnt            vfat    rw,umask1000 do it?
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[04:26] <melazyboy> no
[04:26] <Quest-Master> I tried rw,user and rw,users and it still didn't work. :\
[04:26] <melazyboy> a) don't use mnt it has other files in it, might not work at all
[04:26] <melazyboy> try this Quest-Master
[04:26] <Quest-Master> Ok
[04:26] <melazyboy> /dev/hda2 /mnt/win vfat rw,users,auto
[04:26] <melazyboy> err
[04:26] <melazyboy> /dev/hda2 /mnt/win vfat rw,users,auto 0 0
[04:26] <melazyboy> there we go
[04:26] <melazyboy> =D
[04:27] <melazyboy> now make a folder 'win' in /mnt
[04:27] <melazyboy> cd /mnt; mkdir win
[04:27] <mgoose> hello again guys
[04:27] <Quest-Master> Ok
[04:27] <ironwolf> sup mgoose?
[04:27] <mgoose> lol, what are the chances, looks like i arrived right on time!
[04:27] <Quest-Master> Could you join #flood and tell me if my fstab file is correct then?
[04:27] <mgoose> i was gonna ask how i mount a fat32 part
[04:27] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: One sec
[04:28] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: I fucked up
[04:28] <melazyboy> Quest-Master: Take out that auto, its default =/
[04:28] <melazyboy> yea ill join #flood
[04:28] <mgoose> it seems ide support is not in the kernel? i /dev/hda1 shows file not found
[04:28] <ironwolf> mgoose: one time use?
[04:28] <bonzai> what can i use to unrar a file ?
[04:28] <bonzai> i can't apt unrar
[04:28] <mgoose> nope, want to add to fstab, ironwolf
[04:28] <cef> bonzai: not in universe?
[04:29] <melazyboy> mgoose: Thats because its not mounted mgoose, its the location of the harddrive
[04:29] <bonzai> cef, no
[04:29] <mgoose> yep, trying to do "mount /dev/hda1 /media/D" fails
[04:29] <cef> bonzai: hrm. that needs to be fixed then
[04:29] <melazyboy> mgoose, create a folder /mnt/drive and type 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/drive'
[04:30] <bonzai> Aucune version du paquet unrar n'est disponible, mais il existe dans la base
[04:30] <bonzai> de donnes. Cela signifie en gnral que le paquet est manquant, qu'il est devenu obsolte
[04:30] <bonzai> ou qu'il n'est disponible que sur une autre source
[04:30] <bonzai> ok
[04:30] <bonzai> a in english
[04:30] <cef> bonzai: really should be in main imho.. simply because it gets used by mail scanners like amavisd-new on servers
[04:30] <Zugwrack> I am looking for information on who to contact regarding Ubuntu PPC development...
[04:30] <LinuxJones> mgoose, >> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#gettingstarted     see >> Windows << section
[04:30] <cef> bonzai: you could download rar from the rar people. they have a linux version.. binary only I'm afraid
[04:31] <bonzai> ok thx i'll chack that
[04:31] <mgoose> thanks, LinuxJones
[04:31] <LinuxJones> :)
[04:31] <s0cks> How is Hoary coming along?
[04:31] <LinuxJones> s0cks, it is not very stable for some :D
[04:31] <ironwolf> s0cks: it's coming well. :)
[04:31] <Zugwrack> ogra: You around?
[04:32] <ironwolf> s0cks: for some... for others not so much I guess. :)
[04:32] <s0cks> It will be plenty stable when it is released
[04:32] <LinuxJones> :D
[04:32] <s0cks> Sorry I can't be helping at the moment. Kinda busy with alot of other projects.
[04:33] <linux_galore> just tested the ubuntu live CD on my Intel 820 chipset based system works great
[04:33] <s0cks> I want my CDs to hurry up and get here.
[04:33] <linux_galore> heh heh got mine
[04:33] <smo> gave most of mine away already :/
[04:33] <Hikaru79> I'm trying to install the 'cpdvd' package in Synaptic and I'm getting the following error:
[04:33] <Hikaru79> cpdvd:
[04:33] <Hikaru79>  Depends: transcode but it is not installable
[04:34] <linux_galore> well I finally got my PPC version of Ubuntu thats turning over as we speak
[04:34] <LinuxJones> linux_galore, you have to install it right NOW :D
[04:34] <Hikaru79> Is 'transcode' something I need to manually find and install?
[04:35] <s0cks> I need to figure out a way to pad the armrests on my computer chair.
[04:35] <smo> Hikaru79: It's in the marilliat repositor .. see the wiki page for encumbered packages.  ( http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats )
[04:35] <Hikaru79> I see =)
[04:36] <linux_galore> s0cks: there is a plastic thing you can buy that sits under your keyboard and has these padded arm rests that come out to the left and right of you
[04:36] <mgoose> hey LinuxJones,that website had just general info
[04:36] <mgoose> I think I have a more advanced problem as in /dev/hda1 is not there at all
[04:36] <linux_galore> s0cks: looks like a 1/3 moon
[04:36] <mgoose> maybe i installed the wrong kernel or the proper modules arent being loaded? but i just chose the default options, should be fine
[04:36] <LinuxJones> mgoose, do you have more than 1 hard drive ?
[04:37] <mgoose> yes, a IDE and an SATA
[04:37] <linux_galore> s0cks: make one yourself easy out of some wood
[04:37] <LinuxJones> mgoose, which one is the windows partition , the sata ?
[04:37] <mgoose> my IDE is completely Fat32
[04:37] <mgoose> nope, its the IDE
[04:37] <LinuxJones> mgoose, ok 1 partition  or more ?
[04:38] <mgoose> 1 partition only
[04:38] <mgoose> as far as my drives go, in /dev i only seem to see hdc, hdd, and my sata ones
[04:38] <mgoose> hdc and hdd are my cdrw/dvd drives
[04:38] <s0cks> Fixed it
[04:38] <s0cks> With a metal file
[04:38] <Hikaru79> OK, so I added the marilliat repository, but now when trying to add the transcode package, i'm missing THESE dependencies:
[04:38] <Hikaru79> transcode:
[04:38] <Hikaru79>  Depends: libjasper-1.701-1 but it is not installable
[04:38] <Hikaru79>   Depends: libpng12-0 but 1.2.5.0-7ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:38] <Hikaru79>  Depends: libquicktime1 but it is not going to be installed
[04:38] <s0cks> There were lil sharp things where my cats claws messed it up
[04:39] <LinuxJones> ok replace /dev/hda with /dev/hdb on that site I gave you earlier
[04:39] <mgoose> ok let me see here
[04:40] <mgoose> "special device /dev/hdb does not exist"
[04:41] <linux_galore> finnished reboot time lets see if i can get this laptop running Ubuntu
[04:42] <LinuxJones> mgoose, sorry you have sata I don't know (where/what) that does to naming conventions, I drank too many beer :) Come back tomorrow a.m. I will try to help out :D
[04:42] <s0cks> Busy computer night
[04:43] <s0cks> Luckily I have two days before school
[04:43] <mgoose> heh ok :)
[04:43] <mgoose> btw, the drive im trying to mount is a fat32
[04:43] <mgoose> indeed you must have drank a lil too much :-P
[04:44] <bigbubba> question: what is a fairly simply lightweight desktop for a newbie to configure? i have a p3 450mhz  i have looked at fluxbox but its confusing to me :(
[04:45] <mgoose> try xfce
[04:46] <mgoose> im not sure how well it will run on your configuration
[04:46] <bigbubba> will gnome seems to just be mamking my system run slow
[04:46] <FSK405C> georgia: Cuz ppc linux doesn't support x86 binaries ;)
[04:46] <mgoose> but its reported as being a good mix between being reponsive and easy to use
[04:46] <mgoose> yea gnome is slowwwwwww :)
[04:47] <bigbubba> fluxbox looks cool but i haven't the slightest idea how to configure it correctly even after trying to understand the documentation
[04:47] <mgoose> i didnt even check out the docs
[04:47] <bigbubba> i'm gonna go look at it now
[04:47] <bigbubba> thanks
[04:47] <mgoose> ive seen some very cool screenies using flux and the startup time is like 1 second
[04:47] <mgoose> but eh :-/ dont wanna configure it
[04:47] <mgoose> lol
[04:48] <mgoose> hey bigbubba
[04:48] <bigbubba> well its not that i don't wanan configure it its more of i'm not sure how to i'm having to damn get my grandpa's glasses to even read the screen
[04:48] <bigbubba> the font is so small
[04:48] <bigbubba> yes mgoose?
[04:49] <mgoose> http://www.os-cillation.com/article.php?sid=37 may be a good place to start
[04:49] <mgoose> the commands on there worked for me just fine, no probs whatsoever
[04:49] <bigbubba> aww so it is for debian good deal
[04:49] <bigbubba> so your using it?
[04:49] <mgoose> as we speak :)
[04:49] <AlJ2> Anyone here running ubuntu on a < 500mhz processor?
[04:49] <bigbubba> ok gonan go see if i can do the same
[04:50] <bigbubba> you gonan be around if i run into trouble?
[04:50] <mgoose> yep yep, good luck
[04:50] <mgoose> sure, though ill run if you have major problems :P
[04:50] <bigbubba> haha
[04:50] <bonzai> anyone playing Warcraft III on ubuntu ?
[04:50] <bigbubba> no biggy i'm totally new to linux but learning alot
[04:50] <bigbubba> reading tons of documents and amazed at what it can do
[04:50] <mgoose> ah same here, same here
[04:51] <mgoose> though ive been lazy about reading the docs mostly
[04:51] <calamari> hi
[04:51] <mgoose> hey calamari
[04:51] <AlJ2> hey calamari
[04:51] <sivang> any body knows how to fix a bad pam error? su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.
[04:51] <sivang> Sorry.
[04:51] <calamari> hi mgoose
[04:51] <bigbubba> well i dn't know me i look at them and read and read and go damn this sucks haha but brb let me get on my linux box and look at this xfc
[04:51] <FSK405C> So anybody got some tips on dealing with the x11 display issues when using Ubuntu in VPC on PPC/OS X?
[04:52] <AlJ2> Anyone here running ubuntu on a < 500mhz processor?
[04:52] <mgoose> nope, AlJ2
[04:52] <FSK405C> I would be running on a less than 500 mhz emulated processor ... well I am but having nasty display issues.
[04:52] <calamari> I did make one mistake during setup.. when making my user account I told it the username twice instead of typing my real name.  Can I fix that?
[04:52] <mgoose> why do you have any trouble with it specifically
[04:53] <FSK405C> I have a friend who recommended it for slow processors though - said he was running it on a few 200mhz p2s or some such.
[04:53] <mgoose> calamari: yes, problably in users option
[04:53] <AlJ2> 500mhz maybe too slow for ubuntu.
[04:53] <FSK405C> or is that 300 mhz...gah like I could remember.
[04:53] <mgoose> though I dont know quite where it is
[04:53] <bonzai> is there a way to support NTFS partition without recompile the kerne ?
[04:53] <AlJ2> Or maybe its just my ram.
[04:53] <mgoose> bonzai: are you using the default kernel?
[04:53] <FSK405C> alj2: Not according to my friend - might be your ram. I've had positive reports of ubuntu running on ancient hardware :)
[04:53] <linux_galore> ok had to play with x a bit but now my iBook M9627 is running Ubuntu
[04:53] <mgoose> mines installed fine with ntfs support
[04:53] <bonzai> mgoose, yes
[04:53] <calamari> mgoose: you're right, thanks :)
[04:54] <mgoose> yep, np
[04:54] <mgoose> bonzai: should just work
[04:54] <FSK405C> linux: PPC or emulated x86?
[04:54] <FSK405C> linux_galore, even.
[04:54] <mgoose> you just dont know what to do to use it?
[04:54] <linux_galore> FSK405C: PPC
[04:54] <AlJ2> must be my ram. Only 64 mb. :-(
[04:54] <bonzai> i try to add the entry in fstab
[04:54] <FSK405C> gahhh
[04:54] <linux_galore> FSK405C: I put in a new hardisk
[04:55] <bonzai> and i have the maessage
[04:55] <bonzai> NTFS not supported by the kernel
[04:55] <FSK405C> linux_galore: Sounds like good fun. Never messed with drives in a power book.
[04:56] <linux_galore> bonzai: you need to grab a nice GTK based app called Captive.......dont need the kernel to have NTFS support captive does all the work for you even has a nice UI graphical setup tool
[04:56] <mgoose> Captive is if you want write priveledges
[04:56] <linux_galore> mgoose: write and read
[04:56] <bonzai> linux_galore, thx
[04:56] <mgoose> the default kernel should be able to read it just fine, i thought thats what you meant?
[04:56] <mgoose> ooh ok nvm then
[04:56] <bonzai> i ll take a look
[04:56] <snerfu> I have a laptop and the cd drive has seen some abuse, I can boot up to the installer but when I am installing the base system it errors out, I have tried 3 different CD's. How can I get it to install base from the network?
[04:57] <bonzai> yes i just want to read
[04:57] <FSK405C> So no takers for help with display issues on ubuntu in VPC under OS X, hrmmm?
[04:57] <ilmari> d
[04:57] <snerfu> There is something about a network install on the wiki, but its from a tftp boot.
[04:58] <linux_galore> could you use the Debian 3 x floppy network install floppies and just point it at the ubuntu server I wonder
[05:00] <mgoose> linux_galore that would be pretty cool
[05:00] <linux_galore> man Ubuntu is cool on a iBook...Im downloading some more themes
[05:00] <FSK405C> it'd be better on a desktop G4 under vpc :P j/k
[05:01] <calamari> it possible to put the Computer menu inside the Applications Menu, then Rename the Applications menu to ""
[05:01] <linux_galore> ati driver though is a bit sucky
[05:01] <calamari> never mind, found the convenient help
[05:02] <calamari> I'll try it first :)
[05:02] <linux_galore> hmm see if I can find a comerical ATi driver
[05:03] <mgoose> on the ubuntu repo?
[05:03] <mgoose> can you let me know if you find it and its relatively easy to install
[05:04] <linux_galore> mgoose: there is comercial on on the repo....hmm better power up synaptic
[05:04] <linux_galore> ack  so many packages so little time
[05:04] <mgoose> alright, will look
[05:04] <mgoose> all i have to do is install it and 3d should work?
[05:07] <calamari> is there a way to increase my monitor refresh rate past 75Hz?  I know the monitor is capable of it
[05:07] <calamari> I don't mind editing a config file if necessary
[05:08] <s0cks> Not with Ubuntu I think. Alot of people are complaining about that
[05:08] <mgoose> calamari, might like to try checking out "sudo nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
[05:09] <mgoose> hmm i wonder if thats the right file on ubuntu
[05:09] <FSK405C> yep
[05:09] <FSK405C> its in there
[05:09] <mgoose> oh ok
[05:09] <palle> is there a way that i share my internet connection to a computer on my network running windows?
[05:09] <mkyc-ubuntu> yes
[05:09] <calamari> mgoose: thanks again, I'll check that out
[05:09] <palle> you know how?
[05:09] <FSK405C> but of course :)
[05:10] <mgoose> no problem
[05:11] <palle> is there a way that i share my internet connection to a computer on my network running windows? any1 that can tell me how to do or where i can read about it?
[05:11] <calamari> palle: no need to repeat.. if someone knows they help.. these ppl are great
[05:11] <FSK405C> looking for linkage palle - I've not done that under ubuntu myself
[05:12] <palle> are here any professionals in here?
[05:13] <mgoose> not me!
[05:14] <ironwolf> palle: it's possible, and it's been done before, but it's ugly.
[05:15] <palle> ohh, it's so hard?
[05:15] <smo> I guess it depends if which machine is hosting the net connection? the windows one or the ubuntu one?
[05:15] <gson> jiyuu0|work bah you will hate naruto 110-111 :D
[05:15] <palle> the ubuntu
[05:16] <palle> but i guess i could change to the windows one to if it's impossible otherwise...
[05:16] <ironwolf> palle: I only know 1 person who's made it work.... lamont you around?
[05:16] <palle> can't you ask him how to do?
[05:17] <lamont> palle: actually, it's pretty trivial...
[05:17] <palle> what does trivial mean?
[05:17] <lamont> although I wind up debugging it into existance everytime I need to do it...
[05:17] <smo> I can't remember where the option is to enable ip_forward by default .. but iirc that's all it really needs
[05:17] <lamont> (1) configure the second interface
[05:18] <lamont> (2) configure the ubuntu box (iptables) to NAT all traffic originating from the windoze box
[05:18] <snerfu> ip_forwarding
[05:18] <lamont> (3) turn on ip forwarding (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward)
[05:18] <lamont> simple. :-)
[05:18] <gson> ;)
[05:18] <lamont> let me go dig up some commands for step 2
[05:19] <snerfu> take a look at netfilter.org they have howtos for that
[05:19] <FSK405C> aha
[05:19] <smo> for 3, in /etc/network/options .. changing it to ip_forward=yes   will do the ip_forward line on boot
[05:19] <FSK405C> same trick that works for vpc under windows works for vpc under os x...
[05:20] <FSK405C> odd though...redhat and ubuntu both choke on the vpc setup while suse handles it fine...hrmmm...now Im getting curious
[05:20] <lamont> palle: do you have a static or dynamic IP for the ubuntu box?
[05:20] <palle> dynamic
[05:20] <palle> is that a problem?
[05:20] <lamont> easiest thing is to whack google with something like 'iptables MASQUERADE howto'
[05:20] <lamont> nah
[05:21] <gson> hehe lamont do you know the standard ports that dcc uses?
[05:21] <lamont> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[05:21] <palle> Downloads
[05:21] <palle> iptables-1.2.11
[05:21] <lamont> gson: no clue
[05:21] <gson> hehe....thats what i though, its fkn hard to get right:D
[05:21] <lamont> I know that my firewall blocks it though.. :)
[05:21] <gson> heh yepp
[05:21] <palle> what is ip-masquerade? what does it mean?
[05:22] <FSK405C> it varies, gson
[05:22] <lamont> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ipmasq-background2.1.html
[05:22] <lamont> :-)
[05:22] <FSK405C> usually its a specified port range
[05:22] <gson> FSK405C k, what do you use?
[05:22] <gson> so i can check i out
[05:23] <FSK405C> gson: Under XChat I just use default settings whatever those happen to be...but hold up...I think one client I use to use...had a static set of ports that I opened on my fw
[05:23] <Rene_S> mplayer needs multiverse enabled to run ?
[05:23] <Xenguy> palle: I used 'shorewall' firewall to set up masquerading/nat -- and I got a firewall out of the deal too ;-)
[05:23] <gson> nice FSK405C would be nice if you can look it up
[05:23] <lamont> palle: basically, you munge all the outbound packets from the windoze box to have the source IP of your ubuntu box's external interface, on some (semi) random port.  The kernel tracks the mapping back to the windoze address, and fixes things back up on the return packets
[05:23] <lamont> mind you, doing that with an actual firewall on the machine used to be much more difficult before iptables.
[05:23] <Rene_S> err not run, install rather.
[05:23] <FSK405C> Im looking, gson
[05:24] <gson> goodie FSK405C :)
[05:24] <palle> okay
[05:24] <ironwolf> thank you lamont :)
[05:24] <jind> Does anybody here know where I can find a mplayerplug-in package to ubuntu?
[05:24] <mgoose> what sources do i need to install mplayer in ubuntu?
[05:24] <lamont> palle: if you still haven't figured it out in a week or so, poke me... I have to configure NAT on my firewall for a machine here anyway
[05:24] <FSK405C> 2070-2075 is the range commonly used in ~gags~ mirc
[05:25] <palle> okay thnx for the help!
[05:25] <lamont> mgoose: mplayer source is in multiverse.
[05:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: cant you simple -> #apt-get mplayer? Worked fine here
[05:25] <jind> mgoose, alle mplayer stuff is found at the mplayer homepage: www.mplayerhq.hu
[05:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: apt-get install mplayer I mean
[05:25] <gson> FSK405C k, ill test it
[05:25] <lamont> hoary mplayer "just works".  warty mplayer (i386) "just works", for values of i386 == p4
[05:26] <mgoose> eh? no mplayer doesnt seem to be in the package store for me
[05:26] <vera1> have to add the nerim repository
[05:26] <jind> I didn't find mplayer in the ubuntu repositums either
[05:26] <vera1> check the wiki on ubuntu.org
[05:27] <jind> I downloaded and compiled from spurce
[05:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: go to your sources.lst and uncomment the universe mirrors
[05:27] <mgoose> ah ic, vera1
[05:27] <jind> source
[05:27] <mgoose> ok ty
[05:27] <mgoose> i think i uncommented everything aldready but will dbl check
[05:27] <vera1> get the win32codecs as well
[05:27] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: it's not in universe, it's in multiverse
[05:27] <Rene_S> Turns out mplayer will install k7 if you use the marillat testing repo
[05:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: But he can get that from apt just uncommenting that lines right?
[05:28] <lamont> only if he adds 'multiverse' after 'universe'
[05:28] <gson> bah doesnt work:/
[05:28] <gson> FSK405C :/
[05:29] <sivang> palle : you needed help with firewalling/NAT ?
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: where is source.lst placed?
[05:29] <zenwhen_> /etc/apt/
[05:29] <sivang> _|Imanewbie|_ : /etc/apt/
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> is it "safe" to add multiuniverse?
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> sivang: thx
[05:29] <palle> yeah i wanted to be able to share my internet connection with a computer running windows
[05:29] <mgoose> no probably not, since its evidently called multiverse
[05:29] <sivang> palle : ah! this is just superb, linux is wonderful for this
[05:29] <mgoose> multiuniverse will probably cause cosmic chaos
[05:30] <mgoose> :)
[05:30] <sivang> palle : and ubuntu is of no exception :)
[05:30] <palle> ohh
[05:30] <palle> okay, sounds great =)
[05:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: can a black hole get me in multy universe? =p
[05:30] <sivang> palle : I will send you a link to something very nice, basically this is a script that want a machine with 2 network cards.
[05:30] <palle> okay
[05:31] <palle> that's whatigot
[05:31] <sivang> palle : one nic connected to the outside world, the other to your internal lan or another machine.
[05:31] <gson> whats the command to see what ports thats enable and thats open
[05:31] <Xenguy> sivang: what is the script name?
[05:31] <jind> lamont, thanks for the "add multiverse after universe" tip :-)
[05:31] <gson> netstat ?
[05:31] <mgoose> lol _|Imanewbie|_
[05:31] <lamont> jind: np
[05:31] <palle> that's exactly howi got it...
[05:31] <Adrenal> on default install
[05:31] <Adrenal> where is gaim.pc located?
[05:32] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: ever read much Heinlein?
[05:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: Nope, why?
[05:32] <lamont> multiverse is a term coined in Heinlein's _Number of the Beast_
[05:32] <palle> but how can u send the script?
[05:32] <sivang> palle : http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=23
[05:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: I like kafka, dostoieviski and all this feel happy authors
[05:33] <lamont> heh
[05:33] <sivang> Xenguy : http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=23
[05:33] <lamont> sci-fi is much better for you, of course. :-)
[05:33] <Xenguy> sivang: tx
[05:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> I'm going multiverse better take care with the space debris too
[05:33] <palle> okay
[05:33] <Adrenal> where is gaim.pc?
[05:34] <lamont> dpkg -S gaim.pc
[05:34] <lamont> dpkg: *gaim.pc* not found.
[05:34] <mgoose> oh dag nammit i installed mplayer but nothing seeems to open
[05:34] <sivang> palle : this is a very basic script to set up a firewall and a frwarding machine that enables a local lan connected through i.e. a hub to one of the nics to use the net within NAT
[05:34] <gson> hm how do i see which port thats enable and open?
[05:34] <Adrenal> lamont: then how do i isntall plugins?
[05:34] <lamont> Adrenal: what is gaim.pc?
[05:34] <sivang> palle : I use this to run my router, a 100mhz old machine and it's rocking. :)
[05:34] <Adrenal> when i try to install the guifications plugin
[05:34] <Xenguy> sivang: have you heard of 'shorewall' ?
[05:34] <palle> okay =)
[05:34] <lamont> I go to Tools->Preferences->Plugins
[05:34] <Adrenal> it says i need to find it
[05:35] <Adrenal> but new plugins
[05:35] <Adrenal> ones i'vd downloaded
[05:35] <bonzai> can someone help me to launch Warcraft III ?
[05:35] <palle> but how do i set up the windows computer
[05:36] <lamont> Adrenal: looks like the gaim plugins are in /usr/lib/gaim
[05:36] <sivang> Xenguy : no, just looked it up in google, looks nice
[05:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> this week I will try to install gentoo, so I must uninstall a OS toget more space, well bye bye windows \o
[05:36] <Adrenal> ah cheers
[05:36] <Xenguy> sivang: I'm not sure how it compares, but it may be a bit more comprehensive as a firewall (just my gut feeling tho)
[05:37] <mgoose> forget gentoo man, try arch
[05:37] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: life is too short to compile everything, and hand root to all the web sites hosting software you use...
[05:37] <mgoose> you wont need to spend your life compiling stuff
[05:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: arch?
[05:37] <mgoose> yep, Arch Linux
[05:37] <mgoose> www.archlinux.org i think
[05:37] <sivang> Xenguy : well, the script from that link I gave if pretty small, and does the job (I tested the firewall from the outside as well) but feel free to use whatever suits you :)
[05:37] <mgoose> easier to install too, from what it seems
[05:37] <mgoose> (ive installed Arch but not Gentoo)
[05:38] <Xenguy> sivang: yeah, exactly, it's whatever works, agreed :-)
[05:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: has all that optimization stuff they claim to have?
[05:39] <mgoose> yep, runs well
[05:39] <mgoose> support is also pretty good
[05:40] <gson> how do i kill a windows comp in my network?:)
[05:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: Ive tried debian -> crep installer damm boring to configure, slackware-> good installer and crep maintence, ubuntu-> cool installer, good packges, fast install and I dont feel to be using a "fake" distro
[05:40] <lamont> gson: coke in the powersupply has always worked for me...
[05:40] <mgoose> oh Arch is very real, i assure you
[05:41] <housetier> can someone confirm that the micromaxx usb/web cam is working in ubuntu? it has an STV0680B-001 chip
[05:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: anyway I will try gentoo first, even if it is just to say it sucks
[05:41] <mgoose> and its developers dont "not believe in automatic package dependencies" as I think Slacks maintainer said
[05:41] <mgoose> well its up to you, but id try Arch first and save a few days of your life :-P
[05:42] <mgoose> i think i printed the gentoo install manual...... all 102 pages of it
[05:42] <mgoose> haha
[05:42] <mgoose> but if that floats your boat, go for it
[05:42] <lamont> inventor of k-rations dead nov 20 at age 100...
[05:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: I'm young I will "waste" some time with gentoo before =)
[05:42] <tvon|x31> 102 pages? its pretty short IIRC
[05:42] <mgoose> heh alllllrighty but remember i warned ya
[05:43] <tvon|x31> was when I used gentoo
[05:43] <zenwhen> I tried Gentoo, and found it to be the crashiest Linux I had tried. I tried Fedora, and found it to be the bloatiest Linux I had tried. I used slackware for a very long time and it was perfect, but not easy. Ubuntu is a shiny Debian, and I love it.
[05:43] <zenwhen> Slackware will teach you how to *use linux*.
[05:43] <mgoose> I am trying to decide btw Ubuntu/Mepis/Kanotix/Arch
[05:43] <mgoose> zenwhen: Arch does the same
[05:43] <gson> lamont hehehe:)
[05:43] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen
[05:44] <zenwhen> When there is not package for a program you want, and there are no instructions, you will know what to do after having run slack.
[05:44] <kensai> mgoose, mepis is broken
[05:44] <zenwhen> Arch has pacman.
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenwhen: Yeah, but keep in mind Im in university and sometimes I need to install a mystical software I cant waste time solving dependiencies and stuff on scratch
[05:44] <kensai> mgoose, stay away from mepis
[05:44] <zenwhen> Im not saying its easiest.
[05:44] <mgoose> I am glad I gave Ubuntu a 3rd try, sorta
[05:44] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen, you got realplayer?
[05:44] <zenwhen> Or that its the best,
[05:44] <mgoose> kensai: too late, heh
[05:44] <zenwhen> Im just saying it teaches you.
[05:44] <lamont> mgoose: what happened on try 1 and 2???
[05:44] <mgoose> its actually worked pretty well in my experience
[05:45] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, yes.
[05:45] <mgoose> well I found it quite boring the first and second times
[05:45] <zenwhen> I got the binary from realplayer.com.
[05:45] <kensai> mgoose, also live cds installed to hdd makes the worst desktop ;)
[05:45] <zenwhen> It installed fine.
[05:45] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen did you use the bin or the rpm?
[05:45] <zenwhen> bin
[05:45] <gson> FSK405C how did you get your dcc work?..
[05:45] <mgoose> it didnt configure my network, and i dont like gnome much
[05:45] <gson> big prob here:)
[05:45] <mgoose> but then i dug it up and tried it again, and even though it doesnt seem to use any special options its pretty responsive
[05:46] <FSK405C> gson: Which client and which platform? For the record - sometimes it just doesn't work eg the problem is on "their" end...
[05:46] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, did you have issues with the bin?
[05:46] <mgoose> I still don't like the default package selection much
[05:46] <lamont> mgoose: the vast majority of the time in a process is spent not using mmx instructions
[05:46] <mgoose> doesnt even come with xmms, to my knowledge
[05:46] <zenwhen> I think Ubuntu comes default as a very useable Desktop OS.
[05:46] <gson> ye but its not on "their" end, so its prob with my comp heh
[05:46] <FSK405C> if real is the best commercial media player available apple needs to revive qt for java :)
[05:46] <lamont> so -mcpu=686 helps on some apps, but generally doesn't do much for you in a typical user's world
[05:46] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen no I am on the d/l page... not sure which/what to d/l.... after it finishes do I follow the install instructions in synaptic?
[05:47] <mgoose> ah ic
[05:47] <FSK405C> gson: What client are you using?
[05:47] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, no. You chmod it +x and then run it with "./filename"
[05:47] <lamont> mgoose: xmms is in main, dunno if it's in the seed or not.
[05:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> just a point about gentoo giving root access to sites, well doesnt debian and even ubuntu do the samething?
[05:47] <lamont> mgoose: not seeded - you have to install it if you want it.
[05:47] <zenwhen> It will guide you through the rest. You should sudo to install it.
[05:47] <mgoose> well yea it was easy enough to apt-get it but its sorta wierd that they dont install it by default
[05:47] <Tsjoklat> Please visit http://scopes.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html Select 'Linux 2.x (libc6 i386) RPM'. Download it, and ensure permissions are appropriate. It should be called rp8_linux20_libc6_i386_cs2_rpm. When prompted, enter the directory you downloaded it to (defaults to /root).
[05:47] <lamont> although the cd player that is installed seems to do pretty welll.
[05:48] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen chmod to what? 755?
[05:48] <FSK405C> makes me so sad to see all this chat about other distros...and no mention of BSD...*cries*
[05:48] <zenwhen> chmod +x would work
[05:48] <gson> fack..
[05:48] <zenwhen> just to make it executable
[05:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: we are talking about linux, BSD is NOT linux =)
[05:48] <mgoose> im also disturbed by the fact that my IDE drive doesnt work out of the box.... I havent had a problem with it on ANY other distro
[05:49] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen... keyword: should? :)
[05:49] <lamont> mgoose: ???
[05:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: wich distro?
[05:49] <mgoose> I still have to figure out how to make it work...
[05:49] <lamont> mgoose: my machine is ide-only
[05:49] <mgoose> Ubuntu
[05:49] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, what? :)
[05:49] <lamont> mgoose: what controller, etc?
[05:49] <mgoose> controller? it plugs right in my mobo
[05:50] <lamont> and lspci shows what ide controller?
[05:50] <mgoose> and its a seagate 160gb
[05:50] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you said: chmod +x would work... I was trying to be 'funny'
[05:50] <lamont> e.g.: 0000:00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  5513 [IDE] 
[05:50] <mgoose>  IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT82 3x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[05:50] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, oh sorry. ;-;
[05:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: wich problem are you facing? the only "problem" I had with ubuntu is that I had to edit my fstab all manually, the first install was unable to find the other partitions
[05:51] <mgoose> ^ I had the same problem
[05:51] <lamont> 0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
[05:51] <mgoose> but thats not difficult, though when /dev/hda1 isnt there I start to get worried
[05:51] <mgoose> lol
[05:51] <lamont> that's on the machine that my 9 year old installed yesterday.
[05:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: lol
[05:52] <FSK405C> newbie: Yah, right, I'm aware of that but they do share a common heritage.
[05:52] <mgoose> lamont: thanks but how does that help me
[05:52] <mgoose> lol
[05:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: what do you mean?
[05:52] <calamari> when I drag a window around it leaves trails, is that on purpose?  If is it, can I remove the trails?
[05:52] <Tsjoklat> argh only two hours until the bin is finished ... yah!
[05:52] <mgoose> its probably a slower machine/graphics card, calamari
[05:53] <mike8901> mmmmmmmmmmmmm calamari ghaahaaaaa
[05:53] <lamont> mgoose: I expect that 'fdisk /dev/hda' should be happy, no?
[05:53] <GotD0t> how do you make certain apps load at startup
[05:53] <lamont> wonder if maybe fdisk didn't like the drive contentws
[05:53] <FSK405C> newbie: There are patents on how things are done as well as the end result...while how things are done between bsd and linux may differ...the end result is very much similar...a unix like operating system that owns any commercial os :)
[05:53] <calamari> mgoose: nvidia ti4200 hope thats not considered slow now hehe
[05:53] <mgoose> hmm
[05:53] <FSK405C> it is slow calamari :(
[05:53] <FSK405C> <---suffers from same card :(
[05:53] <mgoose> "Unable to open /dev/hda"
[05:54] <lamont> any bitchiness from dmesg about it?
[05:54] <calamari> seems to be only the terminal that does it, so maybe its just the app
[05:54] <lamont> that is, during bootup, what does it say about ide stuff.
[05:54] <zenwhen> My 6800 doesn't give me any issues. :)
[05:54] <mgoose> lamont: maybe its all that porn?
[05:54] <mgoose> hmm
[05:54] <mgoose> lol
[05:54] <calamari> FSK405C: seriously?  lol, that was a top of the line card it seems like only a year ago
[05:54] <FSK405C> yep gloin == fifi
[05:55] <FSK405C> calamari: I know man, I know...I have a ti4600 myself...and...gamers laugh at me now :(
[05:55] <gson> FSK405C why ? ive got ti4600 and owns?:)
[05:56] <gson> best in europe
[05:56] <FSK405C> gloin: Shaddup
[05:56] <gson> :D
[05:56] <GotD0t> how do you make certain apps load at startup
[05:56] <FSK405C> gson: The latest radeon and nvidia cards own the ti4600
[05:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: last nvidia and radion suport like 10000000000000000000000000000 colours and I'm pretty much sure you dont need half of that
[05:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: cause you simple cant see it
[05:57] <FSK405C> newbie: It's got so much more to do with aside from color depth
[05:57] <lamont> GotD0t: Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> Sessions
[05:57] <FSK405C> a lot of it is how fast it can move data across the pipe
[05:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: and how much data is moved
[05:58] <GotD0t> thanks lamont
[05:58] <lamont> GotD0t: np
[05:58] <gloin> lol lamont
[05:58] <FSK405C> newbie: That too...for me Im on a 22 inch lcd...so even my 4600 chokes a bit...
[05:58] <gloin> lamont: send me a 6800U if you get a second =] 
[05:58] <FSK405C> I'd kill for a G5 and that monster nvidia card they've got in there
[05:58] <lamont> gloin: doesn't motorola make that??
[05:58] <gloin> hehe
[05:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: a major problem is thar new games are doing thing like: malloc(*system(totalmemory/2))
[05:59] <lamont> gloin: mostly I don't care what the graphics is, as long as it has lots of deep pixels.
[05:59] <lamont> which is really sad for a former graphics engineer
[05:59] <gson> FSK405C the graphic card doesnt do the player:D...if we talk quake3 works just fine with ti4600 :D
[05:59] <FSK405C> gson: I'm an urban terror addict
[05:59] <gloin> gson: doom3 likes big fat expensive vidcards that I can't afford
[05:59] <gson> hehe nice FSK405C, do you know zooman ?
[05:59] <gloin> and I like to have 350fps in any game =] 
[06:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> FSK405C: doom 3 is a piece of $h17
[06:00] <FSK405C> and it doesn't do so well with 1600*1024 with decent options
[06:00] <gson> gloin gl hf with that m8:)
[06:00] <mgoose> lamont: dmesg says "hda: ST3120026A, ATA DISK drive" which is correct
[06:00] <gson> FSK405C heh true:)
[06:00] <mgoose> but I also see
[06:00] <FSK405C> gson: Don't know him...but I've seen the name around
[06:00] <FSK405C> stupid 22 inch display has ruined my fps
[06:00] <gloin> <---trying to figure out the doom3 SDK right now
[06:00] <mgoose> "VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
[06:00] <mgoose> VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[06:00] <mgoose> VP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:11.1
[06:00] <mgoose> VP_IDE: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0
[06:00] <mgoose> VP_IDE: port 0x0170 already claimed by ide1
[06:00] <mgoose> VP_IDE: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS)
[06:00] <mgoose> "
[06:00] <FSK405C> and just so people know
[06:00] <lamont> mgoose: ew
[06:00] <FSK405C> gloin is a troll :)
[06:01] <FSK405C> :P
[06:01] <gloin> someone op me for a second
[06:01] <mike8901> :P
[06:01] <mgoose> im guessing "ew" is a bad thing?
[06:01] <FSK405C> nooooo
[06:01] <mgoose> heh
[06:02] <calamari> well, I'm stumped.. anyone know how I can rename the Applications menu?
[06:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: I think the last really funny game Ive played was stunts
[06:02] <gson> FSK405C then you can help me with my q3 in ubuntu
[06:02] <mgoose> stunts? cant say ive tried it
[06:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: take a look at the underdogs
[06:03] <gloin> gson: you might want to talk to me as I actually play q3 in ubuntu - FSK405C is just setting virtual pc up to run ubuntu
[06:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: how old are you?
[06:03] <FSK405C> gson: I can't...but gloin might be able to...only x86 available to me is virtual pc
[06:03] <gson> why tha hell cant i use 120hz in ubuntu? r_Displayrefresh 120 in q3, if i change it to r_displayrefresh in q3 and do vid_Restart, my whole x dies and i have to login once again
[06:03] <FSK405C> so all my trash is emulated
[06:03] <gson> k
[06:03] <FSK405C> yeah like what gloin said :)
[06:03] <gson> heh
[06:03] <gloin> hrm
[06:03] <mgoose> 21 now
[06:03] <gson> gloin do you use 120hz in ubuntu?
[06:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: hum... so you should have played stunts
[06:03] <gloin> gson: you're probably going way out of the parameters of what your monitor can handle with that refresh rate
[06:04] <FSK405C> gloin is a leet q3 on linux guy :) played it under every distro it can be played under, Im sure
[06:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: this game is a myth
[06:04] <gloin> gson: leave it at 60 - that's as fast as your brain can interpret anyhow
[06:04] <gson> ye think so to, but it worked in windows, might be the driver that makes the monitor to handle 120hz..
[06:04] <gson> hehe gloin :)
[06:04] <mgoose> hmm maybe ive played it but dont remember the name
[06:04] <gloin> gson: seriously
[06:04] <gloin> set your refresh to default
[06:04] <gson> well now i use 85hz
[06:04] <gloin> set com_maxfps to 76
[06:04] <gson> thats enough
[06:04] <gloin> cool
[06:04] <gson> k
[06:04] <gloin> 85 is fine
[06:05] <gloin> and 76 is a magic number for fps
[06:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: it a race game you choose a carand build a track with loops, jumps and stuff
[06:05] <gson> heheheh:D
[06:05] <FSK405C> magic number, fifi?
[06:05] <gloin> yeah
[06:05] <gson> and r_Displayrefresh 85 also then..
[06:05] <gloin> talk to zane
[06:05] <gloin> he can 'splain it
[06:05] <FSK405C> no screw that
[06:05] <FSK405C> you can explain it :)
[06:05] <gloin> basically, it has to to do with the mathematics of the q3 engine and something important that I forget
[06:05] <mgoose> hmmm sounds fun
[06:05] <FSK405C> you mentioned it...you baited the hook...I bit...now you reel in :)
[06:05] <gloin> but you actually move faster
[06:05] <gloin> if you go 76
[06:05] <FSK405C> wtf
[06:05] <FSK405C> you bsing us man?
[06:06] <gloin> 27 or LT1 might know
[06:06] <gloin> negative, this is truth
[06:06] <gson> hehe well all i need to know is that have you had the problem when you make a vid_REstart then it just kills x and you have to login again?
[06:06] <gloin> gson: nope =] 
[06:06] <FSK405C> Ill get you banned across every underground supporting server if yer jerking my chain
[06:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: but back to gentoo talking, wich is the difference between the kind of access debian or ubuntu provide to their repositories and the one offered by gentoo?
[06:06] <gson> k ill get it all the time, maybe me cfg thats fucked up in linux :)
[06:06] <gson> all i need to do is com_maxfps 76, r_Displayrefresh 85 and what else?:)
[06:06] <GotD0t> anybody know why 3D accelerated games crash X in hoary?
[06:07] <gloin> GotD0t: what vidcard?
[06:07] <GotD0t> gloin: 9700pro... dual head
[06:07] <gloin> eek, ATI
[06:07] <gson> heh
[06:07] <gson> thats all i need to do gloin?
[06:07] <gloin> no clue GotD0t
[06:07] <gloin> gson: yep =] 
[06:07] <mgoose> I think Gentoo is more up to date
[06:08] <mgoose> and has more packages
[06:08] <gloin> lol mgoose
[06:08] <gloin> ever heard of "debian?"
[06:08] <gson> have you played in windows before? or in other distros?
[06:08] <mgoose> lol
[06:08] <gloin> gson: yeah, and yeah
[06:08] <gson> because the feeling is so different
[06:08] <gson> :)
[06:08] <mgoose> some guy claimed gentoo has 9x,xxx something packages? thats insane man
[06:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> gloin: debian is known for "slow" update rate
[06:08] <mgoose> deb has ~ 16,xxx
[06:09] <gloin> and so far, ubuntu is the best of the distros for gaming for me, and any distro is better than windows for q3 and other opengl games =] 
[06:09] <crimsun> 19k maybe for Gentoo
[06:09] <gson> heh true gloin
[06:09] <gloin> mgoose: how many of those packages to you expect to use?
[06:09] <crimsun> 90k is quite a stretch
[06:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> gloin: if they are there to be used I expect to use them all =)
[06:10] <mgoose> gloin: all of them!!!!! mwahaha
[06:10] <Rene_S> Actually Gentoo could claim that they can use any package, anytime, anywhere if your willing to compile it yourself
[06:10] <mgoose> lol jk
[06:10] <gloin> lol
[06:10] <gloin> anyhow
[06:10] <mgoose> but its nice to know that theyre there if i should ever want to
[06:10] <Rene_S> but then again so can any other linux distro. so arguing is kinda pointless
[06:11] <gloin> ubuntu is based upon debian, but is updated a helluva lot sooner than debian is - one of the reasons I don't use deb is because it feels ancient to me.  gentoo is a different animal entirely - I tried it, inhaled even, but ultimately put it down in favor of a binary distro
[06:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> Rene_S: we arent "arguing", we are just "discussing" linux =)
[06:11] <mgoose> thats why Arch is so cool, gloin
[06:12] <gloin> ?
[06:12] <mgoose> it still has the flexibility of gentoo but its binary based
[06:12] <Rene_S> arguing, debating, chatting, discussing all feel the same these days
[06:12] <mgoose> 686 optimized
[06:12] <gloin> heh
[06:12] <gloin> I had a look at arch
[06:12] <gloin> happier with Ubuntu
[06:12] <mgoose> to each his own
[06:12] <gloin> distros are like cars: you pick the one you like based upon asthetics and purpose
[06:12] <gloin> =] 
[06:12] <Tsjoklat> *yawn*
[06:12] <mike8901> =] 
[06:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: only thing I get mad about linux is that you must configure video and internet by your self, that is a dumb waste of time
[06:13] <gloin> heh
[06:13] <lamont> GotD0t: I expect it's because of X bugs...
[06:13] <gloin> you are a newbie lol
[06:13] <mgoose> _|Imanewbie|_,  not on all distros
[06:13] <taer> anyone here using ubuntu as a server? Having growing pains w/ debian stable(yes, know of backports.org). I assume it's very debian like from the console(ie, no X)
[06:13] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen, if you haven't fallen into a coma by now (because of the exciting convo) it works
[06:13] <mgoose> I too am a newbie!
[06:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: most of them
[06:13] <mgoose> what sort of internet connection do you have?
[06:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> gloin: Ive managed to configure xfree in slackware, debian, and some other distros and it didnt gave me any usefull knowledgement
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> two hamsters and a bucket of carrots
[06:14] <Tsjoklat> hello Rene_S :P
[06:14] <Rene_S> So if Linux is like cars then Fedora Core would be a Lada
[06:14] <gloin> lol
[06:14] <gloin> don't rip on Ladas like that Rene_S!
[06:14] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, rockin. :D
[06:14] <gloin> maybe a Trabant
[06:14] <mgoose> _|Imanewbie|_, you have no business installing linux, us geeks would take joy just at knowing pointless facts like how to configure xfree :)
[06:15] <Tsjoklat> that'sad that an Italian car is made in Russia
[06:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: I prefer to have a X auto-configured and wast my time coding
[06:15] <mike8901> thanks ubuntu for 500 cds of ubuntu goodness :D
[06:15] <mgoose> is it really? one more thing to add to my random & useless collection of facts
[06:15] <zenwhen> mike8901, they sent you 500 cds?
[06:15] <gloin> mgoose: it's pointless until you're given the task of setting up thin-client servers across diverse hardware, at which time understanding how to properly-configure X11 is VERY useful
[06:16] <mike8901> i dunno zenwhen
[06:16] <mike8901> all i know
[06:16] <mike8901> is 5 white packages
[06:16] <mike8901> :)
[06:16] <Rene_S> I like the cd's they were nice enough to provide a live cd too
[06:16] <mike8901> didnt count em
[06:16] <Quest-Master> I can't believe they send CDs for free with no shipping.
[06:16] <zenwhen> You requested them?
[06:16] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: I've configured X on a distro or 2, and was very glad to _NOT_NEED_TO_KNOW_HOW_ for ubuntu
[06:16] <mike8901> i requested a lot cant remember
[06:16] <Quest-Master> That's.. too nice.
[06:16] <zenwhen> What are you going to do with them?
[06:16] <Quest-Master> I would hate for someone to abuse it. :(
[06:16] <mike8901> give em to friends
[06:16] <mgoose> mike damn 500 cds? jesus
[06:16] <mike8901> hand em out like AOL cds
[06:16] <zenwhen> Oh cool
[06:16] <mike8901> :D
[06:16] <Tsjoklat> use 'em as coasters
[06:16] <mike8901> i work at a teen center
[06:16] <zenwhen> I was hoping you werent going to build a throne with them
[06:16] <mike8901> i'll jsut be like here take a disc
[06:16] <mgoose> I felt bad asking for 10 and not paying for them
[06:16] <gloin> at least those were useful =] 
[06:16] <lamont> mike8901: 50 cd's per small box...
[06:16] <zenwhen> Because I would be tempted.
[06:17] <KeyserSoze> anyone know why the enlightenment package isn't installable in hoary?
[06:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> I think they shouldnt send so many cds
[06:17] <Quest-Master> I was going to order one, but felt bad for them having to pay for it on their own
[06:17] <zenwhen> An ubuntu cd throne :O Wiht a lighter and enough time to waste you can make it happen.
[06:17] <mike8901> its financed by a MILLIONAIRE
[06:17] <zenwhen> I built an AOL cd throne once.
[06:17] <Quest-Master> Who?
[06:17] <zenwhen> That one dude.
[06:17] <zenwhen> lol
[06:17] <gson> gloin nope it died:)
[06:18] <Tsjoklat> hey Rene_S I caved it
[06:18] <gson> but i think i know what the prob is
[06:18] <Xenguy> Quest-Master: www.markshuttleworth.com
[06:18] <gloin> gson: try moving your config out
[06:18] <gson> but still one problem that you might had
[06:18] <mgoose> it doesnt really matter who its financed by, its the matter of taking someting without payin for it
[06:18] <gson> the mouse, did you see the walls lagg?
[06:18] <mgoose> i wouldnt care if bill gates sent me the damn cds
[06:19] <Tsjoklat> if Bill Gates sent me any cds I would use them for target shooting
[06:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> hey, will they ever re-open cd ordering?
[06:19] <Xenguy> mgoose: you've got the wrong idea -- this actually *is* free software (not just as in price)  :-)
[06:19] <mike8901> Tsjoklat: bill gates sent me a free copy of vb.net along w/ 2 books
[06:19] <mike8901> :D
[06:19] <Tsjoklat> mike8901 yeah Bill is getting desperate to keep customers :P
[06:19] <zenwhen> I hope I get my 10 cds
[06:19] <Xenguy> mike8901: the first hit is always 'free' ;-)
[06:19] <zenwhen> I want a live cd.
[06:19] <zenwhen> O;
[06:19] <gson> gloin did you have that problem? with the mouse, when you move the walls are lagging, its all laggy
[06:20] <gloin> gson: no
[06:20] <gson> bah
[06:20] <zenwhen> I hate dialup sometimes.
[06:20] <gson> then my q3 is all fucked:D
[06:20] <mgoose> I also hope I get my 10, havent gotten them yet
[06:20] <gson> what do you have in com_hunkmegs ?
[06:20] <mgoose> I understand about the software being free and all but that doesnt include making a cd and shipping doe sit?
[06:20] <mgoose> eh o wells
[06:20] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen try dial-up with a house of guys having to d/l porn 24/7
[06:20] <gson> ive got 119, might be to high
[06:20] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat... always taunting me D:
[06:21] <mike8901> wow #coolchannel is really cool
[06:21] <zenwhen> Whoa
[06:21] <mike8901> :)
[06:21] <zenwhen> You share dialup?
[06:21] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen just trying to be helpful *cough*
[06:21] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: from the topic: CDs order before 12th Nov have been shipped, you can still order CDs
[06:21] <zenwhen> he totally flooded
[06:22] <gloin> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/26/dwp_network_outage/
[06:22] <gloin> hehe
[06:22] <zenwhen> haha
[06:22] <gloin> oopsies
[06:22] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen I share dial-up with boys that are having testerone issues
[06:22] <Xenguy> mgoose: like someone else said, the fellow paying for this has multi-millions -- he's not in this project for the money
[06:22] <zenwhen> mike8901, perhaps spamming that swastika in #coolchannel is a bad idea?
[06:22] <zenwhen> You seem to be flooding out when you try.
[06:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> mgoose: maybe you already answered me, but I could find it on the log... Wich is the difference between the kind of acces ubuntu and debian give to the sites and the one given by gentoo?
[06:22] <mgoose> Xenguy: true
[06:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: thx!
[06:23] <mike8901> zenwhen: pardon?
[06:23] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, poor girl. :(
[06:23] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen what is that channel you are on?
[06:23] <mgoose> hmm _|Imanewbie|_I did sort of answer, but you might want more expert advice
[06:23] <Xenguy> mgoose: check out his homepage, he seems pretty interesting :-)
[06:23] <zenwhen> #coolchannel is the cool channel where mike8901 spams swatikas
[06:23] <mgoose> I think gloin would be more knowledgable
[06:23] <zenwhen> apparently
[06:23] <mgoose> Xenguy, will do
[06:23] <Xenguy> zenwhen: ugh
[06:23] <gloin> huh?
[06:24] <gloin> me knowledgable?
[06:24] <zenwhen> Xenguy, he first was so kind to spam the channel name in here.
[06:24] <gloin> uhh...
[06:24] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen can I join?
[06:24] <zenwhen> Im there alone now but sure.
[06:24] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_:  "kind of acces ubuntu and debian give to the sites"?? (which sites?)
[06:24] <Rene_S> I go away for a min and people are discussing Swastika's ?
[06:24] <zenwhen> ;)
[06:24] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: repositories
[06:24] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen lol you are? being stoked by mike8901 and his swastikas?
[06:25] <lamont> _|Imanewbie|_: so you mean ways of accessing the repositories, or what?
[06:25] <zenwhen> yes D:
[06:25] <zenwhen> He wants to hitler me.
[06:25] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S you have no idea.. we went from millionairs to Bill Gates to cool to swastikas
[06:25] <lamont> GotD0t: I'm not an X expert...
[06:26] <zenwhen> The Ubuntu forums slowed down a lot when the server started crashing all the time.
[06:26] <Tsjoklat> if we are going to do history
[06:26] <zenwhen> Has anyone seen "The Day After Tomorrow"
[06:27] <zenwhen> That movie is freaking scary.
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> I just did zenwhen.. awesome
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen thin story but skip the people... :)
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> lamont: I mean why mgoose said that debian and ubuntu were safer than gentoo in the downloand and installing software point
[06:27] <Tsjoklat> I liked the part where the flag froze
[06:27] <bigbubba> can someone recommend a good desktop enviroment please? fluxbox seems to lightweight, gnome seems like a resource hog
[06:27] <zenwhen> I didnt. Poor flag. :(
[06:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: Gnome?
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen the flag will survive lol.. it just defrosts
[06:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: kde?
[06:28] <mgoose> wait a minute, i dont remember saying that, lol
[06:28] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: the swastika symbol has definitely gotten around (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> Xenguy.. used and abused :)
[06:28] <Xenguy> Tsjoklat: nod
[06:28] <mgoose> the swastika actually came from an indian religious thing
[06:28] <Tsjoklat> Hindi
[06:28] <bigbubba> is kde better? i just notice that after about 3 hours of using gnome my computer goes to the dogs
[06:28] <egon_spengler> bigbubba try fvwm2, windowmaker, afterstep, or icewm
[06:28] <bigbubba> everything is slow
[06:29] <zenwhen> KDE is most certainly not "better" in any sense of the word.
[06:29] <mgoose> Tsjoklat, hindi is just a language
[06:29] <bigbubba> ok out of those which one do you recommend for a newbie?
[06:29] <mgoose> KDE
[06:29] <zenwhen> Some people may find is subjectively "pretier" but some people also liked the movie "Fast and the Furious".
[06:29] <zenwhen> it*
[06:29] <egon_spengler> bigbubba, Icewm then
[06:29] <bigbubba> ok
[06:30] <bigbubba> thanks will check it out
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> Hindu... Buddhism.. you get the idea
[06:30] <bigbubba> is there a deb distro on it?
[06:30] <Xenguy> bigbubba: icewm (or windowmaker if you like quirky but effective desktops :-)
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: I dont like KDE personally but I use Kdeveloper3 here so dunno
[06:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> bigbubba: a debian package you mean?
[06:30] <bigbubba> basically i want something simple with a little bit of eye candy
[06:30] <zenwhen> XFCE
[06:30] <bigbubba> package distro whtaever you get the idea :)
[06:30] <novaburst> let me just say that even though I liked the movie "Fast and the Furious", I like and use Gnome ;)
[06:30] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you use the mouse?
[06:31] <Xenguy> bigbubba: right, XFCE is another good one
[06:31] <bigbubba> i'm using that
[06:31] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, it uses me.
[06:31] <mgoose> Tsjoklat, well actually I wouldnt, since hindi by itself doesnt imply or equate with any particular religion or any religious theme at all
[06:31] <bigbubba> but i don't like how the panel is
[06:31] <mgoose> but thats just me
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you like it?
[06:31] <Quest-Master> Hindu does though. ;)
[06:31] <bigbubba> and how its a pain to get the sound slider to work
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> mgoose... need more salt? or more slugs?
[06:31] <mgoose> one more thing: buddhists would probably not speak hindi
[06:31] <zenwhen> Mouse, yes. I'm fond of it.
[06:31] <bigbubba> let me try icewm and thanks
[06:31] <Tsjoklat> mgoose no I don't speak Hindi
[06:31] <s0cks> Hey. Who here owns PDAs?
[06:32] <rexiboy> helo bros an sis
[06:32] <zenwhen> I have two monitors and run two x servers, and things would get hairy without it.
[06:32] <mgoose> um ok, are you buddhist
[06:32] <mgoose> lol
[06:32] <Tsjoklat> shinto-buddhist mgoose
[06:32] <mgoose> ah ok
[06:32] <zenwhen> Oh, really?
[06:33] <calamari> well, now I have a main menu, but I'm not sure how to get the stuff from the Computer menu and put it in a Setup foldere that I created
[06:33] <mgoose> dammit how do i strech that panel in XFce out and add the taskbar to it
[06:33] <zenwhen> I dont know, I dont like XFCE, but its sorta pretty and really light.
[06:33] <zenwhen> I love Gnome. :))
[06:33] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen but you are using it? even though you don't like it?
[06:33] <Quest-Master> Gnome is <3
[06:33] <gloin> negative
[06:33] <gloin> KDE > *
[06:34] <zenwhen> I use Gnome.
[06:34] <zenwhen> what
[06:34] <Quest-Master> I used KDE for many months.
[06:34] <zenwhen> BLASPHEMY
[06:34] <Quest-Master> And trust me.
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Gnome IS better.
[06:34] <gloin> nope
[06:34] <Quest-Master> :)
[06:34] <gloin> I manage LTSP servers
[06:34] <zenwhen> Subjectively, yes.
[06:34] <Quest-Master> KDE is good for people migrating from Windows.
[06:34] <gloin> KDE has something there that Gnome does not
[06:34] <zenwhen> gloin, what you manage does not make your DE choice more important.
[06:34] <mgoose> I like KDE much better, easier to get around and makes more sense imo
[06:34] <zenwhen> lol
[06:34] <Tsjoklat> KDE looks fab but works donkey balls
[06:34] <Quest-Master> After a while, they should get accustomed to Gnome
[06:34] <Quest-Master> Well.
[06:34] <gloin> actually zenwhen for what I do, I need the functionality in KDE
[06:34] <Quest-Master> I agree with mgoose
[06:35] <gloin> ever hear of the Kiosk API?
[06:35] <gloin> it's amazingly useful
[06:35] <zenwhen> KDE makes more sense if you can ween yourself off of Windows habits.
[06:35] <gloin> and gnome does not have it
[06:35] <Quest-Master> Does Ubuntuu even work with KDE?
[06:35] <gloin> Quest-Master: I'm using KDE on ubuntu right now =] 
[06:35] <LeeColleton> How do I cause non-interactive ssh to display the output of a program on the remote machine?
[06:35] <mgoose> Quest-Master we're all entitled to our wrong opinions :)
[06:35] <mgoose> lol
[06:35] <Quest-Master> Gnome runs so much faster and smoother though than KDE
[06:35] <zenwhen> This is a bad convo.
[06:35] <gloin> it also looks and acts like Windows 95
[06:35] <gloin> Hmm
[06:36] <Tsjoklat> flame wars
[06:36] <Quest-Master> .. lol
[06:36] <rushibhai> i'm happy as long as i can open a terminal with screen :-) who cares about kde/gnome
[06:36] <zenwhen> Really it is.
[06:36] <gloin> open a new window for each folder that gets clicked on
[06:36] <gloin> great idea!
[06:36] <zenwhen> I shouldnt be in it.
[06:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> Quest-Master: It WAS true once now I have my doubts
[06:36] <calamari> coming from windows 98, I have to say I like Gnome a lot better than I ever liked KDE
[06:36] <zenwhen> Because Ill be immature and Tsjoklat will hit me.
[06:36] <lamont> rushibhai: I used fvwm until jdub made me switch to gnome.
[06:36] <zenwhen> D:
[06:36] <lamont> who needs session managers, anyway?
[06:36] <Quest-Master> Well.
[06:36] <Quest-Master> I'm on a 2.2Ghz Celeron.
[06:36] <linux_galore> to be honest gnome and kde speeds sem pretty much the same to me
[06:36] <linux_galore> seem*
[06:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> linux_galore: amem
[06:36] <rushibhai> lamont: i use gnome because its pre-installed.
[06:37] <egon_spengler> Let's here it for NetBSD and console
[06:37] <calamari> but, right now I have extra menus that I can't seem to get rid of hehe
[06:37] <Quest-Master> I don't know about you guys, but I can tell you honestly that Gnome runs faster than KDE.
[06:37] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[06:37] <Quest-Master> By the way.
[06:37] <zenwhen> Abuse!
[06:37] <mgoose> well thats not such a great argument rushibhai
[06:37] <lamont> rushibhai: I switched so that I could better help our users... :-)
[06:37] <Quest-Master> I have a 5 year old computer in the basement that runs Gnome pretty well, and barely runs KDE.
[06:37] <Tsjoklat> I like to abuse men zenwhen you know that
[06:37] <gloin> I use KDE because I like it better and think the Gnome UI guidelines are probably the stupidest set of hare-brained "concepts" I've ever seen.
[06:37] <mgoose> Quest-Master, maybe only with Ubuntu, they probably patch it up
[06:37] <gloin> seriously
[06:37] <lamont> although I've been known to just sit there and hit alt-f4 for a while after logging in on my laptop, just to get to a sane state.. But that's a special situation
[06:37] <rushibhai> lamont, you part of the staff? i'm new to this chat and ubuntu (am formerly debian)
[06:37] <linux_galore> Quest-Master: lol you do know KDE has a pre loader for its base libs and the file amanger so things open under 1 second for me
[06:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> well guys that was a nice chat but I gtg night everybody!
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> part of the staff... LOL
[06:38] <lamont> rushibhai: I'm canonical staff, yes
[06:38] <gloin> someone explain to me why the "Open each folder in a new window" concept was anything short of utter idiocy
[06:38] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, thats why you're my #1 #ubuntu girl. (it helps that you are the only one)
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> lamont juse sent us two emails today
[06:38] <mgoose> cya newbie
[06:38] <Quest-Master> gloin: I must agree with you there
[06:38] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen and hypia being number two?
[06:38] <lamont> Tsjoklat: I did
[06:38] <Quest-Master> I want to find a way to disable that
[06:38] <gloin> that was fucking stupid
[06:38] <lamont> ?
[06:38] <rexiboy> any1 knows about a good keylogger for ubuntu64?
[06:38] <Quest-Master> It sucks.
[06:38] <gloin> sorry bout the language
[06:38] <gloin> Quest-Master: you can easily disable it
[06:38] <zenwhen> Oh?
[06:38] <rushibhai> lamont. its cool to have staff people hanging out on irc. cool! like your distro so far..
[06:38] <mgoose> lol gloin, yea man what the hell is that
[06:38] <Quest-Master> You're right about that.
[06:38] <zenwhen> I had no clue.
[06:38] <Quest-Master> How?
[06:38] <gloin> err
[06:38] <gloin> there's a way
[06:38] <mgoose> i was like how can somebody actually use this pos
[06:38] <gloin> it's kind of non-intuitive to get to
[06:39] <lamont> rushibhai: there tend to be several developers in the channel at any given time..
[06:39] <zenwhen> Yes
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Btw, how do you actually install KDE on Ubuntu?
[06:39] <gloin> somewhere there's a setting that basically says use nautilus in browser mode
[06:39] <zenwhen> Kamion is a dev too
[06:39] <mgoose> apt-get install kde, though im sure something is bound to be broken
[06:39] <gloin> Quest-Master: enable universe and multiverse in your repositories and search for KDE
[06:39] <gloin> it's easy
[06:39] <gloin> mgoose: negative
[06:39] <mgoose> im doing it right now, so ill let you know
[06:39] <gloin> it works well
[06:39] <mgoose> oh ok
[06:39] <Quest-Master> Only KDE is needed?
[06:39] <mgoose> good to know :)
[06:39] <lamont> gloin: kde is all in universe
[06:39] <mgoose> apt = great
[06:39] <gloin> Quest-Master: look at what comes up when you search for KDE and pick what you want =] 
[06:40] <mgoose> will install all deps, quest
[06:40] <zenwhen> gloin, Computer -> Desktop Preferences -> File Management -> Behaviour -> Always open in browser windows.
[06:40] <rexiboy> lamont, any keylogger for U64?
[06:40] <Quest-Master> Ack, needs 416MB
[06:40] <gloin> thanks zenwhen
[06:40] <lamont> rexiboy: dunno
[06:40] <gloin> yean Quest-Master you don't want to do it over dialup
[06:40] <Quest-Master> I'll do it anyhow.
[06:41] <Quest-Master> 3mbps cable = :)
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> I am happy flappy back on warty
[06:41] <zenwhen> I am also on warty.
[06:41] <rushibhai> lamnnt: nice.. that's super! keep up the good work. and please try to move to firefox 1 sometime before the next release, so that one doesn't have to install *anything* from outside the apt sources ;)
[06:41] <Tsjoklat> hoary + UTF is not for me
[06:41] <zenwhen> AND DOWNLOADED IT OVER DIALUP, so my "<3 ubuntu" is bigger than yours. >:o
[06:41] <lamont> rushibhai: we dropped back because ffox 1 wasn't ready.  I think it's there in hoary already
[06:42] <gloin> firefox 1 is in hoary
[06:42] <lamont> web/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu3: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 
[06:42] <gloin> and I disagree with the statement that it isn't ready
[06:42] <gloin> it's fine
[06:42] <gloin> unless there is a "not ready" that isn't obvious to me
[06:42] <rushibhai> lamont: i know the story, its just my 2 cents..
[06:42] <Quest-Master> How much more bandwidth do you think I'd get if I was to mirror the CD ISOs for Ubuntu?
[06:42] <Tsjoklat> I d/l it over dial-up too! with the three porn downloaders remember!
[06:43] <zenwhen> My Ubuntu install is tainted with bits an pieces of debian unstable though. Ill go back to pure ubuntu when Hoary is done.
[06:43] <lamont> gloin: known to randomly crash when visiting certain web sites.
[06:43] <gloin> lamont: so is IE
[06:43] <lamont> gloin: yeah, but 0.93 didn't crash
[06:43] <linux_galore> digs around the internet and finds crossover-standard_4[1] .0-1_i386.deb
[06:43] <Tsjoklat> I went to epiphany, I hope to get rid of Mozilla all together
[06:43] <Quest-Master> Do any of you guys use BitTorrent? Azureus, namely?
[06:44] <gloin> Quest-Master: yes
[06:44] <gloin> why
[06:44] <rushibhai> zenwhen: i moved from unstable to ubuntu because this one is about as recent as it gets without dist-upgrading daily :)
[06:44] <gloin> oh speaking of which
[06:44] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to install the Java JRE
[06:44] <Quest-Master> So I can run Azureus
[06:44] <Quest-Master> It isn't working though
[06:44] <gloin> Quest-Master: did you download the current one?
[06:44] <gloin> is important
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Yup.
[06:44] <calamari> lamont: is there a way to move the setup stuff out of the Computer menu into the Applications menu?
[06:44] <gloin> there's a bad security vuln
[06:44] <gloin> anyhow
[06:44] <gloin> sudo ./jr3blahblah
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[06:44] <gloin> it will make a directory in cwd
[06:44] <deFrysk> Quest-Master, azureus runs fine here
[06:44] <gloin> sudo mv j2reblah /usr
[06:44] <Quest-Master> It's supposed to install it under /usr/java right?
[06:44] <lamont> calamari: nfc, but I believe the answer is "you don't want to do that, it hurts".  Or something like that. :-)
[06:45] <Quest-Master> Ah.
[06:45] <gloin> then sudo ln -s /usr/j2reblah/bin/* /usr/bin
[06:45] <Quest-Master> :)
[06:45] <Quest-Master> I see.
[06:45] <calamari> lamont:  will it break things?
[06:45] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: http://www.livejournal.com/users/davyd/125253.html
[06:45] <lamont> calamari: dunno
[06:46] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks :)
[06:46] <zenwhen_> My dialup ISP boots me once every twelve hours.
[06:46] <Quest-Master> Ah, thanks Treenaks.
[06:46] <FSK405C> I must admit ubuntu is fairly impressive :)
[06:46] <zenwhen_> it just happened.
[06:46] <lamont> editing gnome menus is specifically not something that gnome wants you to do
[06:46] <calamari> lamont: I'd love to see an option to have all the setup stuff in a "Control Panel", accessible from either main menu or applications
[06:46] <calamari> lamont: oic
[06:46] <gloin> lamont: that's one of the many many lame things about gnome
[06:46] <zenwhen> gnome-control-center
[06:46] <linux_galore> I like the dual CD package for Ubuntu (nearly typed gentoo lol) you can take the live CD to your local PC seller and see if it works before you buy
[06:46] <gloin> and the gnome-control-center reminds me oh-so-much of the Windows Registry
[06:47] <calamari> gloin: yeah it has that feel, doesn't it
[06:47] <gloin> it's horrid
[06:47] <zenwhen> more like control panel
[06:47] <gloin> I think gnome needs a real leadership overhaul
[06:47] <lamont> gloin: the target is the end user, not the technocrat.  Although it's nice to have happy technocrats too
[06:47] <zenwhen> I dont like kcontrol
[06:47] <zenwhen> I think gnome needs to keep ging the direction its headed.
[06:47] <zenwhen> going*
[06:47] <linux_galore> calamari: lol port mandrake control panel to Ubuntu its all gtk based
[06:47] <gloin> lamont: can you explain the "open-each-folder-in-new-window" so-called feature in the current Gnome?  I haven't seen a cogent argument for why they pulled that number.
[06:48] <gloin> it really feels archaic
[06:48] <zenwhen> I knwo a lot of people who prefer it.
[06:48] <FSK405C> gloin: Some people like that
[06:48] <Quest-Master> I think Gnome needs a better feeling of where the user knows what they are doing and don't feel lonely.
[06:48] <Rene_S> I could lead Gnome, however I tend to be lazy so It would end up looking like KDE
[06:48] <zenwhen> Its very clasic mac like.
[06:48] <calamari> linux_galore: I like the things on the COmputer menu.. I just wish there didn't have to be a computer menu.. I like my screen real estate :)
[06:48] <FSK405C> there is a similar feature in os x Ive never heard you cry about it :P
[06:48] <lamont> gloin: you're assuming that I actually use nautilus
[06:48] <gloin> heh
[06:48] <rushibhai> gloin: you can middle-double-click to open in the same window.
[06:48] <linux_galore> isnt there something about moving Yast to Ubuntu now its GPL
[06:48] <gloin> zenwhen: yeah, it's very windows 3.1 like
[06:48] <Quest-Master> :o
[06:49] <zenwhen> gloin, whos to say that old is wrong
[06:49] <deFrysk> yast ? omg :s
[06:49] <Quest-Master> YaST is cool.
[06:49] <gloin> zenwhen: old is wrong when it clutters up your desktop with a plethora of windows
[06:49] <Quest-Master> But apt-get is better ;)
[06:49] <linux_galore> Ubuntu is nice but it really needs a nice central control center
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> yast: gives me YEAST
[06:49] <zenwhen> its wrong when you dont like it
[06:49] <Tsjoklat> brb
[06:49] <zenwhen> many people do
[06:49] <zenwhen> yeast O:
[06:49] <gloin> zenwhen: do you like it?
[06:49] <Quest-Master> Also.
[06:49] <zenwhen> Personally, no.
[06:49] <zenwhen> But I changed it.
[06:50] <jdub> lamont: harsh
[06:50] <Quest-Master> I think the Ubuntu developers should make an installer like the one Suse has.
[06:50] <zenwhen> I dont want Gnome to bend around me.
[06:50] <Quest-Master> All nice looking and user-friendly.
[06:50] <gloin> see?
[06:50] <deFrysk> suse ? omg :s
[06:50] <Quest-Master> Not command-line looking.
[06:50] <gloin> lol
[06:50] <calamari> lamont: btw, Ubuntu is the best linux distro I've ever used.  You guys are doing an awesome job.. keep it up :)
[06:50] <zenwhen> I like the sarge installer.
[06:50] <lamont> calamari: thanks
[06:50] <gloin> agreed, calamari
[06:50] <Quest-Master> Well, I think that'd be better for new users
[06:50] <mgoose> I like the command like look, personally
[06:50] <gloin> there's a reason I'm here, griping about Gnome =] 
[06:50] <Quest-Master> I liked the installer a lot though
[06:50] <gloin> the installer is easy enough to deal with
[06:50] <linux_galore> suse lol  I prefere the Mandrake installer personally...nice pretty doesnt ask much
[06:50] <zenwhen> The ubuntu expert setup is perfect.
[06:51] <deFrysk> mandrake ? geez
[06:51] <gloin> and doesn't require a 300-meg ramdisk to be setup first
[06:51] <Quest-Master> lamont: You develop for Ubuntu it seems?
[06:51] <zenwhen> I couldnt ask for anything more and certainly dont need a mouse to set up an OS.
[06:51] <lamont> Quest-Master: I build stuff and fix bugs
[06:51] <Quest-Master> Awesome. :)
[06:51] <lamont> "loose canon about town" :-)
[06:51] <mgoose> agh dammit unstable doesnt have kde 3.3.1
[06:51] <gloin> lol
[06:51] <mgoose> it installed the inferior 3.2.3
[06:51] <mgoose> lol
[06:51] <deFrysk> kde sucks
[06:51] <zenwhen> you said it
[06:51] <gloin> deFrysk: eat my shorts
[06:51] <Quest-Master> Let's not go back to that. :P
[06:52] <zenwhen> XD
[06:52] <deFrysk> gloin, they suck too
[06:52] <gloin> gnome is for people who thought windows 3.1 was the Best OS Ever
[06:52] <linux_galore> yeah kde 3.2.x is horrible for me I just download kde 3.3.1 and compiled it
[06:52] <zenwhen> gloin, now see
[06:52] <zenwhen> that was a personal attack
[06:52] <zenwhen> bad boy
[06:52] <gloin> oops
[06:52] <gloin> fair 'nough
[06:52] <mgoose> damn galore, how long did that take ya/
[06:52] <gloin> deFrysk: sorry I told you to eat my shorts
[06:52] <gloin> better/
[06:52] <gloin> ?
[06:52] <mgoose> i was just plannin on adding some apt sources and doing it again
[06:52] <mgoose> lol
[06:52] <zenwhen> oh yeah
[06:52] <linux_galore> mgoose: not long I have my own cluster
[06:53] <mgoose> oh cool
[06:53] <gloin> lamont: who does the kde packages for ubuntu?
[06:53] <Rene_S> After 5 weeks of putzing around I think I am starting to enjoy gnome
[06:53] <linux_galore> mgoose: just read the logs total build time is 57 min
[06:53] <lamont> gloin: the community
[06:53] <deFrysk> the new nautilus in hoary can be simply set to browser in settings of nautilus itself now btw
[06:53] <mgoose> my one friend does cool stuff with all the boxes he has lying around, he liks splits up the compile among the different machines and sends it back or something
[06:53] <mgoose> si that the same thing you do?
[06:53] <lamont> gloin: having said that, I was the one that battered kde into building as well as it did for warty.
[06:53] <gloin> deFrysk: that should be default
[06:54] <zenwhen> KDE isnt an Ubuntu Dev thing.
[06:54] <deFrysk> gloin, thats an opinion, not a fact
[06:54] <zenwhen> gloin, thats opnion
[06:54] <zenwhen> oop
[06:54] <zenwhen> s
[06:54] <gloin> yeah yeah
[06:54] <Quest-Master> The reason I stumbled upon Ubuntu because I was looking for a Gnome friendly distro.
[06:54] <Quest-Master> :D
[06:54] <gloin> it's an opinion that Many Share
[06:54] <lamont> zenwhen: it falls within ubuntu-developers, but it's not funded by canonical.
[06:54] <zenwhen> oh cool
[06:54] <linux_galore> mgoose: yeah I usually dont have the cluster running but now and again I decide one machine is not enough so I power the cluster up
[06:54] <mgoose> lamont is kde 3.3.1 even in the ubuntu repo anywhere?
[06:54] <deFrysk> nautilus starting up as browser needs more time/resourses
[06:54] <gloin> Anyone I've ever talked to who uses Gnome for the first time says "WTF is this crap with all the windows opening?"
[06:55] <zenwhen> I really want to see KDE stay far away from my precious Ubuntu.
[06:55] <zenwhen> :D
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> hello all
[06:55] <gloin> zenwhen: no chance
[06:55] <deFrysk> so spatial is still faste
[06:55] <lamont> Quest-Master: universe/kde/kdelibs_4:3.3.1-1: Installed [optional:out-of-date] 
[06:55] <FSK405C> I'll second gloin's statement on the multiple window junk
[06:55] <lamont> sigh. mgoose ^^
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> I have a question if someone is willing
[06:55] <Quest-Master> lamont: ?
[06:55] <zenwhen> gloin, the poll on the forums showed that most people there supported my line of thinking.
[06:55] <FSK405C> heya ralph :)
[06:55] <lamont> Quest-Master: fat fingers
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> I had warty 4.10, and all went well with the basic install
[06:55] <mgoose> whoops, did you just answer that? sry
[06:55] <gloin> deFrysk: it's a mess, though, and reminds people of operating systems that they knew to be unstable, and generally horrid
[06:55] <LeeColleton> omg it's Ralph Nader!
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> but I get no consoles when pressing ctrl-alt-f1-f6
[06:55] <[SPD] RalphNader> is this a known issue?
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol lee
[06:56] <gloin> ralph has a serious question
[06:56] <zenwhen> Hopefully Ubuntu can stay a nice focused gnome-based distro.
[06:56] <deFrysk> gloin, works fine for me
[06:56] <lamont> Quest-Master: was going to say that yes, ubuntu is rather gnome-friendly (er, gnome-agressive?? supportive??)
[06:56] <mgoose> ppl type too fast for me to stay up with at 1:00am
[06:56] <linux_galore> yeah Ubuntu is going fine here some minor hacks here and there and download a few odds and ends from universe and Im happy
[06:56] <lamont> then I got distracted..
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> yes but I'm fine with joking around
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> has anyone heard of this problem before?
[06:56] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: should just work
[06:56] <Quest-Master> lamont: Ubuntu is the finest distro I've used yet. :)
[06:56] <gloin> ralph, did you check to be sure that you don't have a special keyboard feature like "F-Key Lock" enabled?  My keyboard has one of those and it gets me occasionally.
[06:56] <zenwhen> Yeah
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> that's what my buddy told me
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> he suggested I upgrade to hoary, which I did
[06:56] <[SPD] RalphNader> still same problem
[06:57] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: and ctl-alt-f7 should get you back to X
[06:57] <zenwhen> Ive never seen that on any distro.
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> I have a pretty generic keyboard gloin
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> and it always worked fine under SuSE
[06:57] <LeeColleton> [SPD] RalphNader: /etc/inittab controls which terminals are active
[06:57] <linux_galore> is there a SMP kernel option for Ubuntu on the servers ....
[06:57] <gloin> hmm
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> rescued me many times
[06:57] <zenwhen> linux_galore,
[06:57] <FSK405C> I liked Mac OS 9 but the multiple window thing is an atrocious throwback in terms of UI. Leaves more work to the user. Sometimes you want multiple windows so open a new window and find your way there ... there are so many ways to address the problem but leaving the management of "junk" windows to the user is just lame IMO.
[06:57] <lamont> unless you hacked over /etc/inittab, they should be there....
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> omg
[06:57] <zenwhen> linix-686-smp
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> it's C
[06:57] <[SPD] RalphNader> sup dude!
[06:57] <jdub> linux_galore: apt-cache search linux smp
[06:57] <zenwhen> linux-686-smp
[06:57] <mgoose> Nader: I think its something with the kernel
[06:57] <lamont> linux_galore: see the linux-image pacakges
[06:57] <linux_galore> zenwhen: thanks yeah one machine left to swap to ubuntu and its a smp rigg
[06:57] <lamont> apt-cache search linux-image
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> I didn't touch inittab
[06:58] <mgoose> i recompiled a kernel recently that i messed something up on and slashed away too many modules
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> just did the basic install
[06:58] <mgoose> and then i had the same sort of problem
[06:58] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: didn't expect you had...
[06:58] <gloin> I wonder if your keyboard is dying
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> haven't even touched the kernel
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> Hostname: jasen - OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1794.761 MHz) - Processes: 84
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> Hostname: jasen - OS: Linux 2.6.8.1-3-386/i686 - CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (1794.761 MHz) - Processes: 83
[06:58] <linux_galore> thanks jdub
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> ooh
[06:58] <lamont> [SPD] RalphNader: dunno why it would do that
[06:58] <gloin> like a bad ctrl-key
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> sorry for spam
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> SORRY!
[06:58] <zenwhen> My custom 2.6.9 build + Ubuntu has been a dream.
[06:58] <FSK405C> Ralph: How much beer did you spill on your keyboard last night?
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol C
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> shaddup
[06:58] <linux_galore> might swap my admin machine to Ubuntu tomorrow the live CD worked fine on it
[06:58] <[SPD] RalphNader> that's the kernel I have
[06:58] <gloin> seriously though
[06:59] <lamont> jdub: your search string is better. pout.
[06:59] <gloin> try swapping keyboards with another computer
[06:59] <gloin> I know you have one there
[06:59] <gloin> see if the problem continues
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> yeah I do but it's not the f-keys
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> because I can move back with f7 just fine
[06:59] <linux_galore> jdub: you still sick
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> and hitting ctrl-alt-f1 actually DOES something
[06:59] <gloin> ahh
[06:59] <jdub> linux_galore: a bit
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> but not waht is desired
[06:59] <Rene_S> Odd synaptic keeps closing with no error message when I choose apply
[06:59] <gloin> it takes you to a blank screen, right?
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> it gives me a black screen
[06:59] <[SPD] RalphNader> yup
[06:59] <zenwhen> Whats really odd is that that console switching has barely anything to do with work done by the ubuntu Devs. It should just work.
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> and if I hit enter a bunch, I can see the init procedure
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> but it loops
[07:00] <linux_galore> jdub: yeah Ive been crap for 4 weeks....noticed you didnt turn up to slug
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> and no prompt
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> what is that gloin?
[07:00] <FSK405C> hey man Im serious...Ive had only top or bottom rows on my kb choke due to spilled beer :P j/k Ima shut up now
[07:00] <mgoose> I know its not recommended but should adding an apt repo for kde 3.3 be ok?
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> lol C
[07:00] <[SPD] RalphNader> the keys work fine :)
[07:01] <lamont> mgoose: just add universe
[07:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> they just make the system do... less than smart things
[07:01] <linux_galore> FSK405C: just unskrew it and clean it out..I do it all the time
[07:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> when I should get consoles
[07:01] <linux_galore> unscrew*
[07:01] <FSK405C> linux_galore: Try unscrewing an apple pro keyboard. It doesn't happen.
[07:01] <[SPD] RalphNader> gloin, have you heard if this before then?
[07:01] <gloin> negative ralph
[07:02] <FSK405C> I've spent hours trying to get inside these blasted things :D
[07:02] <[SPD] RalphNader> omg
[07:02] <mgoose> lamont: same results, keeps saying kde is installed and latest, etc
[07:02] <lamont> mgoose: and if that doesn't work, scream at me with package names and I'll add them to my "fix these if you're ever bored" list
[07:02] <lamont> mgoose: warty or hoary?
[07:02] <FSK405C> well Im glad I don't have gloin's kb...thats got worse the beer or soda or soup gumming up the works... :P
[07:02] <gloin> ralph, you might wanna try asking in #linux
[07:02] <mgoose> warty, should i apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:02] <linux_galore> FSK405C: dont they have star screws....you can get a screwdriver for that from most electronics shops
[07:02] <lamont> should is a relative term...
[07:03] <calamari> brb, hopefully
[07:03] <lamont> mgoose: hoary is still rather fluid... if you're willing to tolerate occasional b0rkage, then running hoary would help the developers out at least a little bit.  Then again, it can be painful to be dragged into the bleeding edge.
[07:03] <FSK405C> linux_galore: The board for controlling the keyboard is positioned in such a way that it is physically impossible to separate the top and bottom of the kb without engaging in soldering. I don't like burning myself.
[07:04] <mgoose> bleeding edge gooooog
[07:04] <mgoose> *d
[07:04] <mgoose> lol
[07:04] <Tsjoklat> hey zenwhen...  you are on warty.. does synaptic ever craps out on you?
[07:04] <lamont> speaking of which, I think monday will be desktop-to-hoary day for me.  good dogfood.
[07:04] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, never. Yours does?
[07:04] <linux_galore> FSK405C: lol Im a solder jockey.... doesnt bother me...I pull laptops apart all the time to recover parts
[07:04] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen no.. but I know somebody that is having issues
[07:04] <zenwhen> Whats going on with them?
[07:05] <Tsjoklat> well he says his synaptic craps out on him
[07:05] <mgoose> hope it works
[07:05] <zenwhen> Odd
[07:05] <FSK405C> linux_galore: I do software myself. Can't stand f'ing directly with the iron very well.
[07:05] <Rene_S> I dunno, whenever i choose some apps in Synaptic and I press mark it closes
[07:05] <Tsjoklat> selecting apps and mark and poof
[07:05] <zenwhen> Has he tried upgrading it?
[07:05] <lamont> mgoose: but kde 3.3.1 won't be showing up in warty, ever.
[07:05] <lamont> it'll be in hoary.
[07:05] <mgoose> heh
[07:05] <lamont> probably
[07:05] <mgoose> alrighty
[07:05] <linux_galore> is happy has his new shiny iBook running Linux.....man anyone tells me OSX is nice I will kill them
[07:05] <lamont> :-)
[07:05] <zenwhen> osx is nice
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> isn't Ibook OSX?
[07:06] <linux_galore> yep
[07:06] <mgoose> OSX looks good for a few minutes but bleh
[07:06] <linux_galore> everything is in weird places
[07:06] <lamont> Tsjoklat: /is/was/?
[07:06] <mgoose> it gets very boring very fast
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> lamont: ?
[07:06] <zenwhen> I am buying an Ibook to run Ubuntu on soon.
[07:06] <gloin> OS X is the hood not welded but the dashboard is
[07:06] <lamont> I don't think his iBook is running OSX anymore... :)
[07:06] <linux_galore> also I didnt like how users could easily trash things in the system directories
[07:06] <mgoose> wow just for ubuntu?
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> I don't know anything but OSX.. unexplored terrain
[07:06] <gloin> OS X does a lot
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> Lamont oh :P
[07:07] <gloin> it's actually an excellent desktop unix
[07:07] <zenwhen> mgoose, yes. It will have OSX on it for an hour after I buy it.
[07:07] <gloin> much much better for desktop end-users than any linux that I've seen
[07:07] <moyogo> what package do i need to install to get gstreamer-libs-0.8.pc to please pkg-config? libgstreamer0.8-dev doesn't provide it
[07:07] <gloin> but
[07:07] <mgoose> lol zenwhen
[07:07] <linux_galore> zenwhen: lol I lasted 9 days before i couldnt stand it anymore lol
[07:07] <Tsjoklat> then why buy OSX.....?
[07:08] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: I want PPC laptop
[07:08] <zenwhen> I don't like any pice of software that apple has put out, but I like the screns on apple's laptops.
[07:08] <zenwhen> Plus they just look so much nicer at Starbucks. :D
[07:08] <mgoose> lal those rounded corners and stuff was revolting
[07:08] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: also it was on sale
[07:08] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore that's good enough for me
[07:08] <mgoose> I thought Mac ppl loved osx tho
[07:08] <Xenguy> (if it ain't free as in freedom, it's craaaaaappppppp  ;-)
[07:08] <zenwhen> Im not a mac person.
[07:09] <linux_galore> mgoose: Im not a Mac person to be honest Im more a  hai I never tried putting Linux on that yet lets try it...person
[07:09] <mgoose> ah very nice
[07:09] <zenwhen> I dont even like apple. I just like the way the Ibook looks. It also happens to be a decent computer.
[07:09] <Rene_S> Woot upgrading synaptic worked
[07:09] <gloin> heh
[07:10] <linux_galore> I like the ibook keyboard and the general build is nice even on the cheap models
[07:10] <Rene_S> odd that it did that
[07:10] <Tsjoklat> yah!
[07:10] <gloin> I dropped my 12" powerbook out of the knapsack onto pavement
[07:10] <gloin> it works fine
[07:10] <s0cks> Rene_S : Do you own a pda
[07:10] <s0cks> ?
[07:10] <gloin> needs a body-and-fender tech
[07:10] <gloin> but damn
[07:10] <gloin> imagine doing that to a Dell
[07:10] <gloin> *CRUNCH*
[07:10] <zenwhen> I'll always have an Intel CPU / Intel Chipset x86 machine for my desktop needs.
[07:10] <linux_galore> also the ibook runs for ages on battery compared to my last Del machine
[07:10] <gloin> and also
[07:10] <Rene_S> No i do not own a PDA, I dont want to be tied down to my job with one of those
[07:10] <s0cks> lol
[07:10] <mgoose> while I do appreciate innovation, it sometimes seems apple just changes stuff to be different sometimes
[07:10] <gloin> wireless integration on the powerbook is much much better than any x86 laptop I've ever seen
[07:10] <s0cks> I play games on mine :P
[07:10] <mgoose> its annoying
[07:11] <Xenguy> Rene_S: exactly (and what a horrible *little* interface too)
[07:11] <mgoose> like why the fuck dont computers come with disk drives that just blows my mind
[07:11] <gloin> joining a new wireless node on OS X is ONE CLICK
[07:11] <mgoose> sry for the language but
[07:11] <mgoose> yea
[07:11] <linux_galore> dont get a blackberry it will take over your life.....they nick name blackerries  CrackBerries  lol
[07:11] <jdub> gloin: fairly likely you'll see that in hoary.
[07:11] <gloin> try that in *nix or winxp
[07:11] <rushibhai> gloin, go IBM thinkpad!!
[07:11] <gloin> jdub: yeah?
[07:11] <rushibhai> loving it.
[07:11] <gloin> rushibhai: heh, for a comparibly-featured thinkpad to the 12" powerbook, you'd pay twice as much =] 
[07:11] <Rene_S> I was going to work for RIM, they were giving away Blackberry's to successful applicants, never went to the interview
[07:12] <gloin> not saying they aren't nice
[07:12] <zenwhen> the gnome project is serious about wireless integration right now
[07:12] <gloin> they are
[07:12] <gloin> but dollars count
[07:12] <rushibhai> gloin, i got my R40 with 1400x1050 screen for 1250. whatcha talking about? :)
[07:12] <gloin> What I really want is one of those mil-spec ruggedized models... I'm hell on wheels on hardware.
[07:12] <rushibhai> glin: if you need thin and light, i thoroughly agree with you tho.
[07:13] <gloin> rushibhai: how big is that?  How much does it weigh?  Does it have a combo-drive?  Built-in 802.11g?
[07:13] <linux_galore> lol I looked at IBM Thinkpads... I can get a more power full Apple ibook right now cheaper than the prices for a thinkpad
[07:13] <mgoose> alrighty fellas, gotta sleep
[07:13] <mgoose> nice talking to you all
[07:13] <rushibhai> gloin: i pre-empted you heheh.
[07:13] <Rene_S> Its bad enough  I have to spend 8900 dollars on a Digital Camera for work, dont need a digital boss as well
[07:13] <gloin> lol
[07:14] <linux_galore> yeah remember the IT code for dumb bosses......and Etcha Skethc is a really neat laptop that has amazing uptime OK
[07:14] <linux_galore> sketch*
[07:15] <linux_galore> hmm room died
[07:15] <Treenaks> X-(
[07:15] <rushibhai> brb
[07:16] <linux_galore> hmm
[07:16] <zenwhen> yeah
[07:17] <LeeColleton> if I looking for frog
[07:17] <zenwhen> perhaps we should discuss desktop environments :D
[07:17] <LeeColleton> him name is hopkin green frog
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> I am looking at coffee machines
[07:17] <zenwhen> Buy me one
[07:17] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks fault
[07:17] <zenwhen> :) :)
[07:17] <Rene_S> I think i can convert my microwave into a embedded linux pda
[07:18] <zenwhen> Im getting pulled back in by rhythmbox.
[07:18] <zenwhen> I was so happy with mpd.
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> with what?
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> mpd?
[07:18] <zenwhen> Music Player Daemon
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks is a walking link machine.. ask for something and he has a link to it
[07:18] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: what's my fault?
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> oh MPD bleh
[07:18] <zenwhen> Its a system damon that plays music
[07:18] <Rene_S> Multiple Personality Disorder ?
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> the coffee machine dear
[07:18] <zenwhen> you can kill x and your music keeps playing
[07:18] <Rene_S> how you play music with that ?
[07:19] <zenwhen> :D
[07:19] <gloin> in case anyone wants to help, RalphNader's inittab file is exactly the same as mine, and my computer works correctly.  Can anyone here talk about keymapping perhaps?  I'm not sure how Ubuntu handles it.
[07:19] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: you clicked the link :)
[07:19] <zenwhen> I made a HOWTO o the forums
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks of course I did :)
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> I'm sticking with rhythm
[07:19] <zenwhen> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5194
[07:19] <RalphNader> ty gloin
[07:19] <zenwhen> Thats it.
[07:20] <Tsjoklat> does that font thing you wrote really work zenwhen
[07:20] <zenwhen> It did for me and a few others.
[07:20] <zenwhen> The MPD devs gave me a thumbs up.
[07:20] <zenwhen> So I figure its an alright howto.
[07:21] <zenwhen> That dude in there was pretty clueless.
[07:21] <Tsjoklat> it is goed, I just don't use it :P
[07:21] <zenwhen> MPD really isnt for epople who just want to play their music and set somehting up through a GUI.
[07:21] <zenwhen> Its really for insane people who want to control their music player in 10000 different ways.
[07:21] <zenwhen> Like me.
[07:22] <zenwhen> :D
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> ah zenwhen that is just like somebody asking me what a console is.. 'does that play video?'
[07:22] <Rene_S> Ok I think I am tired I just linked an Icon to my app and then sat here wondering what went wrong
[07:22] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, yeah
[07:22] <zenwhen> lol
[07:22] <zenwhen> nite lamont
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> lamont happy sleepers
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S old age kicking in
[07:23] <Rene_S> Old something
[07:23] <FSK405C> meh so how does one go about configuring their sound card in ubuntu?
[07:23] <Rene_S> If i dont get my beauty sleep i wake up looking like Brad Pitt
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> FSK405C you say: play... damnit I said play
[07:23] <zenwhen> FSK405C, what card?
[07:23] <Pizbit> Rene_S: Please rune *grin*
[07:23] <Pizbit> run*
[07:24] <FSK405C> Tsjoklat: What did I say now eh?
[07:24] <FSK405C> zenwhen: An emulated sb16 ;)
[07:24] <zenwhen> fun
[07:24] <Tsjoklat> FSK405C me bad... Treenaks fault
[07:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: yeah keep blaming me! :P
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks works doesn' it :P
[07:25] <FSK405C> Tsjoklat: Tree? Who has tree? I need tree! ... oh :P
[07:25] <Rene_S> I seen the creepiest thing a while back, I went to Chinatown in Toronto and everywhere I looked there were smiling Val Kilmer pictures
[07:25] <Tsjoklat> is he still alive?
[07:25] <Rene_S> Apparently he lives on the walls of Toronto's Chinatown
[07:26] <RuffianSoldier> Everyone who loves Ubuntu - check out www.watsky.net        very very good Ubuntu based distro, called BeatrIX, come to #beatrix       My friend just installed, and is amazed witht he blazing fast Ubuntu goodness (it even has Sudo!)
[07:26] <Tsjoklat> and hello to you too Ruffian
[07:26] <Rene_S> Wow next time try and be more direct, your a little vague on the details
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> he is cute Rene_S Ruffian only says something when he needs to vent
[07:27] <Tsjoklat> (which is often I admit)
[07:28] <Rene_S> I am cuter, I just say any old thing that comes to mind
[07:28] <Tsjoklat> Ruffian just always reminds me to keep taking my medication
[07:29] <Rene_S> Good point, i need to find my Crack err Sleeping aids
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> hey Treenaks we should run Beatrix
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> in honor of our queen
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> "I am running queen Beatrix linux... weeeee"
[07:29] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: www.republikeinsgenootschap.nl
[07:29] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I won't honor a non-democratic head of state :)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> ooooh Bea is a cool twat come on... :)
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks are you trying to get rid of poor ol' Bea?
[07:30] <Treenaks> not actively
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> tsk tsk... Bea Linux has a neat cat as logo... Burmese I think
[07:30] <Rene_S> Man what a sad group photo not one hawaiin shirt in the bunch
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> they look like a bunch of ouwe lullen Treenaks.. no offense
[07:31] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S very bad word if I would translate that in English.. best not :)
[07:32] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: they are.. Theo van Gogh was a member though :)
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> was he?
[07:32] <Tsjoklat> are they all in hiding now?
[07:32] <Rene_S> Oh sorry was a spelling mistake
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> you stun me Treenaks
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> that you don't like Bea
[07:33] <Tsjoklat> I admit.. if only we had Wills
[07:33] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I don't hate her
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> but instead we have to deal with Alexje
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> I never said you did :P
[07:34] <Rene_S> So who are all those Donald Trump wannabe's in that pic ?
[07:34] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: it's just that I don't like the fact that she inherited her status, instead of gaining it by democratic means
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> what's next.. you are going to tell me you want it to be like America?
[07:34] <Tsjoklat> Rene_S nobody knows but Treenaks lol
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> maybe it's his relatives
[07:35] <Rene_S> I see
[07:35] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: NO!
[07:35] <Rene_S> They need new suits
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> they need a party
[07:37] <Tsjoklat> so this Bea Linux.. what is it? I can't make cheese out of it
[07:38] <FSK405C> so how to configure sound cards under ubuntu? is there even a ui for that?
[07:38] <zenwhen> OH GOD COLD
[07:38] <zenwhen> oops
[07:38] <Agrajag> oops
[07:39] <zenwhen> Agrajag 8)))
[07:39] <Agrajag> (((8
[07:39] <zenwhen> let me in on this
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> Agrajag :8))
[07:40] <Agrajag> what is that, piggy-smile?
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> weirdest smile ever
[07:40] <zenwhen> Im cold. And my coffee is cold.
[07:40] <Tsjoklat> beats me.. everybody is doing it.. I wanna be cool too
[07:41] <zenwhen> :(((
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> so 8)))
[07:41] <Tsjoklat> weeeeee
[07:46] <zenwhen> Can I be the goobye'er?
[07:46] <zenwhen> :D
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> so what is the 8)) deal
[07:47] <AlJ> hmm. I'll do that too.
[07:47] <AlJ> 8))
[07:47] <zenwhen> Oh
[07:47] <zenwhen> Its a smilie from another irc channel that Agrajag and I frequent.
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> sort of a pissy one isn't it
[07:47] <zenwhen> Oh thats the best part.
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> like a racoon on speed or something
[07:47] <pdaoust> sooooooooooooo...
[07:47] <AlJ> I thought it's a smile from Yahoo Messenger.
[07:49] <pdaoust> I've followed the HOWTO on the ubuntuforums.org website on getting FreeNX working... and I'm pretty sure there are some NX-savvy people on this channel... any idea why I would be getting 'authentication failed' without any further explanation? the people in the forum seemed to solve a similar problem, but didn't share the solution with the forum.
[07:50] <pdaoust> no idea?
[07:50] <pdaoust> yokay then
[07:50] <Abercrombie> Anyone here heard of Beatrix?
[07:50] <Tsjoklat> LOL
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> yeah Treenaks is her biggest fan
[07:51] <AlJ> Who is Beatrix?
[07:51] <Abercrombie> its a distro
[07:51] <deFrysk> A queen
[07:51] <Treenaks> Beatrix is the name of the queen of the Netherlands.
[07:51] <Abercrombie> its also a distro
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> hahah
[07:51] <Abercrombie> I'm just asking because it has to do with Ubuntu
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> our Bea has her own distro
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> who would have thought that
[07:51] <Abercrombie> www.watsky.net
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> Abercrombie and what is the link between ubu and Bea?
[07:53] <RuffianSoldier> i own the #beatrix channel
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> that's nice Ruffian
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> what is the link between ubu and Bea?
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> Bea is based off Ubuntu
[07:54] <pdaoust> soooooo... nobody has a clue as to why my FreeNX server wouldn't work even after creating keys like a good boy?
[07:54] <Abercrombie> I also own the channel :)
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> deb based?
[07:54] <Abercrombie> ya
[07:54] <deFrysk> ubu is free and bea costs taxpayers money
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> nonono
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> not at all
[07:54] <Rod> hello
[07:54] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[07:54] <pdaoust> hey, Rod
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> what can Bea do for me that ubu can't?
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> its faster
[07:55] <RuffianSoldier> can be installed and ran off a pen drive
[07:55] <Abercrombie> way faster
[07:55] <Abercrombie> i installed it in less than 10minutes on my slow system
[07:55] <Abercrombie> Gnome 2.8
[07:55] <Rod> i have problems getting on internet with the life cd.. Yesterday I got some commands of someone here on IRC to run to analyse the problem... Would you like the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a?
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> so if I understand right... Bea took ubu and build their distro?
[07:56] <RuffianSoldier> no
[07:56] <RuffianSoldier> the guys at Ubuntu are amazed with Bea and are wanting there secrets, confronting them with mad cash
[07:56] <Tsjoklat> then what
[07:56] <Rod> the network cards are detected, but still no internte wile I have a simple dhcp setup up... Windows, Gentoo and FC work flawlessly :-/
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> Tsjoklat, they use same repositories, and same idea as Ubuntu (sudo - ubuntuized debs_
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> mad cash
[07:57] <pdaoust> Rod: throw the output of lsmod and ifconfig -a into the #flood channel, and I'll take a look at them.
[07:57] <Rod> thank you pdaoust
[07:57] <Tsjoklat> are you telling me that ubu wants to buy up Bea?
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> no
[07:57] <RuffianSoldier> they want to know how they got an Ubuntu distro under 200MBs
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> they have been trying
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> and failed
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> but Bea is great
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> and how did they come by the name Bea?
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> its the founders cats name
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> its also the mascot
[07:58] <RuffianSoldier> its a Burmese cat
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> the Burmese?
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> yeah I use to breed them
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> cool!
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> Steven Watsky would be happy
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> and where is Watsky located?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> wb zenwhen
[08:00] <ctd> RuffianSoldier: Funny thing there's nothing whatsoever about it in google. :>
[08:00] <RuffianSoldier> Europe
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> Europe where?
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> big place Europe
[08:00] <RuffianSoldier> ctd, actually, thats wehre I found it before it was on distrowatch
[08:01] <zenwhen_> oh thanks
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> Czech
[08:01] <RuffianSoldier> i think
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> well I'll give it a go Ruffian
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> got a box laying around
[08:02] <ctd> RuffianSoldier: BeatrIX?
[08:03] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: do you just enjoy making shit up?
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> no
[08:03] <RuffianSoldier> ctd, BeatrIX yes
[08:03] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: You seem to have the mentality of a 2yr old.
[08:04] <Rene_S> Lets all try and keep this civil
[08:04] <RuffianSoldier> meazyboy, wtf are you talking about
[08:05] <melazyboy> they want to know how they got an Ubuntu distro under they have been trying and failed
[08:05] <melazyboy> where the hell did you get that..
[08:06] <RuffianSoldier> they want to know how they got an Ubuntu based distro under 200MBs
[08:06] <deFrysk> RuffianSoldier, i can imagine they want
[08:06] <melazyboy> ,,, you are complete idiot, sorry channel -- he is deserving.... how do you think they did it?
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> Klowner Klowner.. isn't that the geezer that makes those fab wallpapers
[08:06] <Rod> pdaoust, are you still here?
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, wtf is your problem?
[08:07] <Klowner> Tsjoklat: I'm only 21, but yes :)
[08:08] <Tsjoklat> Klowner I love your work! :) thanks for it
[08:08] <zenwhen> melazyboy, why are you trolling in here?
[08:08] <Klowner> Tsjoklat: thanks for the complement, makes me feel special :)
[08:09] <Tsjoklat> Klowner you are so most welcome :)
[08:09] <RuffianSoldier> Klowner, you make cool wallpaper? send me one!
[08:09] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: Your talking out of your ass, if Ubuntu, a corperatly funded disto with a lengthy development team wanted to make a 200mb distro they can, after all its not without a tradeoff, beatrix logically would have made that speed by either a) compression, or b) cutting packages. Either of which the ubuntu team is fully capable of doing
[08:09] <melazyboy> Thats my first problem with you.
[08:09] <Klowner> RuffianSoldier: klowner.com
[08:10] <zenwhen> melazyboy, why are you being so rude?
[08:10] <RuffianSoldier> nice
[08:10] <Rene_S> Well this is degenerating into a flamefest, so I am off to bed
[08:10] <melazyboy> My second problem with you is the first thing you did after reading the beatrix article is to jump into the room and get admin privledges and then shout that here, like it is either a) hard to become an admin of an empty channel; or b) ethically right to channel hijack someone elses distro for the cause of mainting admin rights in the event they ever want to use it.
[08:11] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Because he has no right to nock the abilitys of the ubuntu devels, in a ubuntu channel.
[08:11] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, I ask the founder personally for the channel, and I talk to him frequently
[08:12] <zenwhen> RuffianSoldier, what specifically was your claim? That Ubuntu couldnt get under 200MB and be useful as a esktop OS?
[08:12] <zenwhen> desktop*
[08:12] <Rene_S> Children, why not take this into a private chat space, We dont all need to hear your tantrum
[08:12] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: I find what you spew hard to swallow -- i too am heading off rather than draging this out to a flamewar...
[08:12] <pdaoust> hey, folks, any reason why a stock Ubuntu install would turn on IPv6->IPv4 tunnelling by default? I'm trying to help a user in the #flood channel who can't get an IP from his router because his eth0 is stolen and turned into sit0.
[08:12] <RuffianSoldier> zenwhen, im not sure exactly what he said, but Ubuntu wanted to know how they got it that low - and were offering cash
[08:13] <zenwhen> Oh, I was just wondering what got him so all-fired mad.
[08:13] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, You dont know my situation , so stfu - I asked Steven Watsky (Founder) if I could create the channel, he said sure, and that any help was welcome
[08:13] <zenwhen> hey Tsjoklat whats up? :P
[08:14] <RuffianSoldier> klowner, NICE Walpapers!
[08:14] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: Your full of shit and need to find a more selfless hobby than pestering a channel with your inaine blather, suicide for example, ubuntu never offered money to beatrix, you have no backing for that statement
[08:14] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen falling asleep by melazyboy's babbling
[08:14] <Klowner> RuffianSoldier: thanks
[08:14] <Rene_S> Toodles everyone
[08:14] <zenwhen> I laughed really hard at the last thing he said. I dindt really read it though.
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> night Rene_S
[08:15] <Rene_S> Try and not mureder one and other
[08:15] <zenwhen> I just saw a spew of profanity.
[08:15] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, your right, I have no backing for that statement, but I do talk to the founder.
[08:15] <Rene_S> wow i need to work on spelling
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> awww we are bored Rene_S
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy is entertaining us
[08:15] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: People put the packages into ubuntu-desktop, they can just as easily remove them, Beatrix hasn't created an encryption algo, they ASSEMBLED a lite version of ubuntu lacking in packages. big deal.
[08:15] <Rene_S> See ya
[08:15] <Tsjoklat> and here we go: round four
[08:16] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, hhahahaha, you dont know the half!
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> we need some soda zenwhen be good and fetch us some
[08:16] <pdaoust> so I guess that means that nobody has had any experience with IPv6->IPv4 tunnelling, right? :-D
[08:16] <zenwhen> I searched for Beatrix and found Harry Potter stuff. D:
[08:16] <melazyboy> Sorry if this is bothering others in channel... in advance... feel free to take a pop at him
[08:16] <Treenaks> zenwhen: likely.. our prime minister looks like Harry Potter
[08:16] <Tsjoklat> hahahahah
[08:17] <Treenaks> http://www.tiscali.nl/images/7/6/harry_balkenende1.jpg
[08:17] <zenwhen> melazyboy, its your fight. I dont care if he claims he is the devine inspiration for Ubuntu and he pooped the source from his arse.
[08:17] <jmhodges> ok.. im booted into a ubuntu live cd.. two questions..
[08:17] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, no need to be an asshole (Sorry for language) you have no reason to act like that, quit it, people dont want to here it!
[08:17] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen lmao
[08:17] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Im not concered about his claim, im concered about others gullibility
[08:18] <zenwhen> raging on irc is solving this?
[08:18] <jmhodges> 1) how the hell did it  know what my alias were that i made in a ubuntu install on my hd?
[08:18] <RuffianSoldier> nice flux themes klowner!
[08:18] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, still want that soda?
[08:19] <zenwhen> oh man that scared me
[08:19] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen hell yeah... hit me
[08:19] <jmhodges> 2) I'm now on to my third boot into a livecd trying to recover some semblance of grub normality.. this time im using one of the LiveCDS that got sent out en masse
[08:19] <zenwhen> One of my friends opened my gaim icon in the gimp and drew a penis on it. I keep forgetting to change it back.
[08:19] <jmhodges> zenwhen, ouch hehe
[08:20] <zenwhen> http://zenhardwhere.com/images/gaym.png
[08:20] <zenwhen> that was the result
[08:20] <zenwhen> D:
[08:20] <melazyboy> zenwhen: No -- like any irc arguement no one will ever win, put pointing out flaws in someones arguement does damage their reputation and thats a form of self-delt karma =/
[08:21] <jmhodges> zenwhen, haha
[08:21] <zenwhen> melazyboy, actually all you did was make me interested in his project and bore me
[08:21] <zenwhen> so it kind of backfired
[08:21] <frankps> Hi all
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> are we still flaming?
[08:22] <zenwhen> But this isnt my fight.
[08:22] <frankps> Has someone here installed Beagle?
[08:22] <zenwhen> I wont respond to you further.
[08:22] <Abercrombie> Tsjoklat: www.watsky.net
[08:22] <swim> hi, can ubuntu use debian, or some other distros packages?
[08:23] <melazyboy> yes
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, please try it out - you might enjoy!
[08:23] <melazyboy> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <Tsjoklat> Abercrombie got it going to d/l it.. if only to piss melazyboy off
[08:23] <zenwhen> yep
[08:23] <zenwhen> Me too
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> :-)
[08:23] <RuffianSoldier> YAY!
[08:23] <pdaoust> swim: it can use any debian repository; I have a lot of non-Ubuntu repositories in my /etc/sources.list
[08:23] <zenwhen> Im very excited
[08:23] <Abercrombie> =0
[08:24] <Beatrix> :)
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> hi :-D
[08:24] <pdaoust> swim: it just sometimes makes dependencies a little harder to figure out, although (truth be told) I've had very few problems.
[08:24] <zenwhen> It would be nice to have it small enough to fit on a 3 inch cd
[08:24] <jmhodges> who wants to practice their grub-fu ?
[08:24] <zenwhen> that would rock
[08:24] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: I fail to see the usefullness of 200mb distro, it won't fit on a floppy and its 550mbps wasted on a cd... on the flip side i coulden't be happier with ubuntu the chat room with its users, the devs that create it... (well maybe with the exception of fglrx not working with xorg 1.8 but i'll live)
[08:24] <zenwhen> Pocket Gnome
[08:24] <Beatrix> #beatrix .... www.watsky.net
[08:24] <swoon> sorry did anyone  answer swim? I am swim, but had a connection problem
[08:25] <jmhodges> swoon, <pdaoust> swim: it just sometimes makes dependencies a little harder to figure out, although (truth be told) I've had very few problems.
[08:25] <jmhodges> swoon, the answer is pretty much yes
[08:25] <jmhodges> but beware.. Bewaaaaaaare!
[08:25] <pdaoust> jmhodges: ha ha
[08:25] <jmhodges> hehe
[08:25] <pdaoust> jmhodges: by the way, what's your grub grief?
[08:26] <swoon> hrmm ok, I just recieved 10 ubuntu cds in the mail... didnt even order them!
[08:26] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, it has been modded to be ran off a Pen Drive also
[08:26] <melazyboy> I use debian's sid repositories, there are some issues i have assited in trouble shooting that woulden't work without them, problems with k3b lacking libs and such
[08:26] <jmhodges> pdaoust, oh, i had to install windows in another partition.. it overwrote my MBR, and somehow my stage2 in my ubuntu part got wiped.. im sitting here 4 days now with no linux besides these lovely livecds
[08:26] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i've tried all of the "easy" stuff it seems
[08:26] <jmhodges> i should have written it all down.. damn.
[08:27] <pdaoust> jmhodges: got a Mandrake CD kicking around?
[08:27] <jmhodges> im more than willing to go back over it though hehe
[08:27] <jmhodges> pdaoust, gah.. maybe.. an old one.. why?
[08:27] <swoon> oh I installed ubuntu, and had a kernel panic on boot, that said I should try booting with noapic, but I couldnt figure out how to boot with noapic... incase it happens on next ubuntu install how could I fix that?
[08:27] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I dunno; maybe you could use the MBR repair tool on the Mandrake CD.
[08:27] <jmhodges> ohh. gotcha
[08:28] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: They sell 1g pen drives on thinkgeek as of now, i believe they are 100.00 and they can run the full shebang
[08:28] <pdaoust> jmhodges: but I'm sure you can use grub-install for the same purposes. Don't think it's on the Ubuntu LiveCD tho
[08:28] <pdaoust> jmhodges: it removed your stage2 too? do you have /boot on a separate partition?
[08:28] <jmhodges> well.. im thinking i do have this rather large blank space in between the ubuntu and the windows part that i might decide could be great for a temp fresh ubuntu install.. ill let it go in, clean up the grub.. reboot into the old ubuntu part and reinstall/configure grub
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> well at least melazyboy is talking to you again Ruffian
[08:29] <RuffianSoldier> hehe
[08:29] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i think the stage2 got fscked by a missed type grub shell command
[08:29] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i tried grub-install with some help from folks in here but no luck
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> drat guess we have to find other entertaining now zenwhen
[08:29] <Tsjoklat> let's blame Treenaks again
[08:29] <jmhodges> pdaoust, and grub-install is on the livecd, it just no worky
[08:29] <melazyboy> Ill get over it..
[08:29] <swoon> anyone?
[08:29] <zenwhen> Yes
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> you are what?
[08:30] <zenwhen> ARG
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> impervious?
[08:30] <zenwhen> I cannot remember how much data a 3 inch cdr hold
[08:30] <zenwhen> s
[08:30] <Treenaks> zenwhen: 80mm, and 180mb
[08:30] <zenwhen> Someone tell me or my head will cave in.
[08:30] <pdaoust> jmhodges: gee... ummmmmmm... I think the last time I had problems like that, I was a pretty green Linux user, so my solution was to reinstall Linux from scratch :)
[08:30] <zenwhen> Thanks so much.
[08:30] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, try it - youll like it!
[08:30] <jmhodges> lol
[08:30] <jmhodges> pdaoust, fun fun
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> ask Treenaks for a link... any link
[08:30] <Tsjoklat> he'll know it
[08:31] <jmhodges> i've got something around 5 years but all of it with lilo besides my ubuntu install
[08:31] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: One advantage over Ubuntu?
[08:31] <pdaoust> jmhodges: yeah, I liked the 'steamroller' approach back then :)
[08:31] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: Link? www.zelda.com?
[08:31] <jmhodges> hehehe
[08:31] <pdaoust> jmhodges: five years of data?
[08:31] <Tsjoklat> <-- follows every link Treenaks spits out.. what is impervious?
[08:31] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, my friend tried Ubuntu - and then BeatrIX  - BeatrIX was faster . way faster        and it has Gnome 2.8
[08:31] <jmhodges> pdaoust, god no.. five years of linux experience
[08:31] <jmhodges> hahaha
[08:31] <pdaoust> jmhodges: ah
[08:32] <jmhodges> i killed my data many times.. perhaps some is left over from one of the Great Purges but i doubt it
[08:32] <pdaoust> jmhodges: all my real Linux experience came with Gentoo, which recommends grub...
[08:32] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier Hoary is using gnome 2.8 =/
[08:32] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat:   impervious
[08:32] <Treenaks>        adj : not admitting of passage or capable of being affected; "a
[08:32] <Treenaks>              material impervious to water"; "someone impervious to
[08:32] <Treenaks>              argument" [syn: {imperviable}]  [ant: {pervious}] 
[08:32] <ironwolf> swoon: when booting, there should be a varible you can set that does noacpi on the boot line.
[08:32] <Tsjoklat> huh huh
[08:32] <Tsjoklat> walking dictionary aswell
[08:33] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy - just give it a try
[08:33] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I know what that's like; I've purged things by accident before... and then sometimes the hard drive dies on me; I've had two hard drives die in a month.
[08:33] <jmhodges> gahh
[08:33] <pdaoust> jmhodges: so, you need your MBR back
[08:33] <pdaoust> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:33] <jmhodges> indeed
[08:33] <jmhodges> just something to say "boot into /dev/hda1" is all i really need
[08:34] <jmhodges> but all of this stageX business leaves me confused
[08:34] <pdaoust> yeah..... hum.
[08:34] <jmhodges> im used to "hack on /etc/lilo.conf; hit lilo; reboot"
[08:34] <jmhodges> or variations depending on if im on a cd and such
[08:35] <jmhodges> what exactly are these stage files anyway?
[08:36] <pdaoust> jmhodges: stage1 is the MBR
[08:38] <pdaoust> jmhodges: have you been swapping masters and slaves and cables around?
[08:38] <bur[n] er> has anyone tried cedega or crossover office on Ubuntu?
[08:38] <jmhodges> pdaoust, ahhhh.. not on the harddrives.. why?
[08:38] <Treenaks> what's wrong with openoffice?
[08:38] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: something i'd rather not get into atm ;)
[08:39] <pdaoust> jmhodges: might not be able to find stage1 and stage2 because it looks for them by their names on the channels
[08:39] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: i.e. nothing :)
[08:39] <jmhodges> there was a cd writer addition but even that was just an addition of hardware.. no actual slave/master swapping
[08:39] <jmhodges> pdaoust, gahh..
[08:39] <bur[n] er> Treenaks: i have to use Outlook... my employer sends out calendar events in the outlook winmail.dat format
[08:40] <pdaoust> jmhodges: in GRUB's case, it looks for them on hd(0,0) or hd(0,1) or wherever the /boot partition might be. But if you didn't change any HDs around, shouldn't be an issue.
[08:40] <Treenaks> bur[n] er: doesn't evo grok that?
[08:40] <calamari> anyhow happen to know if ppp creates any files or environment vars when online?  Trying to make myself a little connect/disconnect script for pon/poff
[08:40] <bur[n] er> no
[08:40] <calamari> anyhow -> anyone
[08:40] <jmhodges> pdaoust, roger.. then not my issue :-/
[08:40] <bur[n] er> in any event, just curious if anyone had experience, but i'll just have to go for it and see if it works out :)
[08:41] <pdaoust> jmhodges: oh, here's something I discovered..... one sec, while I double check it
[08:41] <Rod> so i just re-install ubuntu, choose for the cd-rom install instead of network one... and add these 4 lines to the interfaces file
[08:41] <zenwhen> ahahahhaahhahhahhaha
[08:41] <zenwhen> sorry
[08:41] <jmhodges> pdaoust, cool
[08:41] <zenwhen> the beatrix site is so funny
[08:41] <crimsun> Rod: yes
[08:42] <Rod> alright.. ill be back as soon as possible! can take 45 minutes though.
[08:42] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen are you trying to rile up melazyboy again?
[08:42] <crimsun> Rod: then we can edit your sources.list so you can finish installing from the 'net
[08:42] <zenwhen> No
[08:42] <RuffianSoldier> zenwhen - ya, its a great site - its "cozy" - silly
[08:42] <zenwhen> Have you read their site?
[08:42] <melazyboy> www.5url.com hhahhahahahah
[08:42] <zenwhen> if you've got a bit of skill. You can re-compile the Linux
[08:42] <zenwhen> lololololllll
[08:42] <pdaoust> my word, what is that 5url.com?!?
[08:42] <ctd> bong.
[08:43] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Why is the beatrix site funny?
[08:43] <zenwhen> Its a joke.
[08:43] <zenwhen> I havent laughed this hard in years.
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> BeatrIX Linux: Faster than the average moth or butterfly
[08:43] <Tsjoklat> because of that
[08:43] <zenwhen> No
[08:43] <spikys> hello
[08:44] <pdaoust> jmhodges: do you have a LiveCD of any sort lying around? doesn't matter what type
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> then what
[08:44] <jmhodges> pdaoust, im running one right now :)
[08:44] <spikys> everyone is on ubuntu here?
[08:44] <jmhodges> im on the ubuntu warty livecd
[08:44] <pdaoust> jmhodges: ah, excellent :)
[08:44] <Tsjoklat> no spikys suse
[08:44] <jmhodges> hehe
[08:44] <pdaoust> spikys: most of us -- some of us are still in WinXP with network config problems :)
[08:44] <zenwhen> The technical parts. "Linux 2.6.7: If you're moving to Linux from Windows, you may remember the days of the DOS prompt, c:/. This is the same, basically."
[08:45] <pdaoust> (spikys: glad to say I'm not in that group myself)
[08:45] <spikys> oh ok
[08:45] <king_arthur> hi everybody
[08:45] <RuffianSoldier> hi
[08:45] <spikys> does ubuntu have torrent download?
[08:45] <Tsjoklat> spikys just kidding.. all ubu and bea in here
[08:45] <pdaoust> spikys: that's where I got mine
[08:45] <king_arthur> anybody here familiar with the koppix live CD?
[08:45] <zenwhen> Whoever wrote this site has no clue what they are talking about. If the same person developed the distro, then melazyboy was totally right.
[08:45] <pdaoust> spikys: should be able to find the torrent URIs on the Ubuntu download page somewhere; forget where.
[08:45] <spikys> torrent...where's the tracker? can get at the homepage?
[08:45] <pdaoust> spikys: yep, I think so
[08:46] <pdaoust> (real helpful, eh? ;) )
[08:46] <spikys> so is it really a 25 minutes install?
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> oh joy another round
[08:46] <Tsjoklat> soda zenwhen?
[08:46] <zenwhen> yes
[08:46] <melazyboy> zenwhen: Wow i just looked at the site i have to agree i also think its a joke now -- read this. "Beatrix is optimized for _any_ Pentium-class computer of _any_ speed with at least 64megs of ram" that can't be so...
[08:46] <pdaoust> spikys: depends on the hardware. I think it took me about 30 min
[08:46] <pdaoust> spikys: although I did decide to do some fancy partitioning, and tha tmade it more like 45 min
[08:46] <spikys> ok wat...at least not like an hour
[08:47] <pdaoust> okay, jmhodges, what we're going to do is get into the environment of your hd-installed Ubuntu
[08:47] <king_arthur> I am trying to modify Ubuntu XFreeserver config file according to the Knoppix config file
[08:47] <pdaoust> jmhodges: bring up a prompt
[08:47] <spikys> erm..another question, ubuntu can only use gnome?
[08:47] <king_arthur> can anybody pls help?
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> hahah
[08:47] <melazyboy> Because the kernel has optimizations for P1, P2/3, P4, and PM machines, as well as requiring bigmem for computers with over a gig of ram
[08:47] <zenwhen> hey melazyboy look in #flood
[08:47] <RuffianSoldier> spikys, hell no!  I use KDE and Gnome and Flux and XFce4
[08:47] <pdaoust> jmhodges: first of all, what partition is your Ubuntu installed on?
[08:47] <jmhodges> pdaoust, ok, booted up the root term
[08:47] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hda1, or (hd0,0) iirc
[08:47] <Tsjoklat> I feel like my period is coming up
[08:48] <spikys> i thought once the installation complete it came wit gnome
[08:48] <pdaoust> king_arthur: what are you trying to do specifically?
[08:48] <jmhodges> definitely hda1 hehe.. i just think the latter is how grub interprets it
[08:48] <pdaoust> okay, jmhodges, mount that somewhere
[08:48] <zenwhen> Tsjoklat, :(
[08:48] <jmhodges> done, mounted at /mnt/hda1
[08:48] <Tsjoklat> zenwhen you hit me!
[08:48] <king_arthur> pdaoust: problem is Xserver did not config correctly and doesnt run with warty
[08:48] <pdaoust> jmhodges: that's right; just different terminology for Linux and for GRUB
[08:48] <king_arthur> pdaoust: tryin to config manually
[08:49] <pdaoust> jmhodges: chroot /mnt/hda1 && source /etc/profile
[08:49] <jmhodges> pdaoust, of course, i was double checking mygrub knowledge heh
[08:49] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Knoppix uses prelinking, ubuntu does not, it's advantages aren't that extensive, they build all of their packages with prelinking enabled
[08:49] <pdaoust> jmhodges: that will dump you into your HD-installed enviro
[08:49] <jmhodges> pdaoust, oo.. that source i hadnt tried
[08:49] <jmhodges> right.. i had some /dev issues in here before
[08:49] <jmhodges> done
[08:49] <pdaoust> king_arthur: okay, are there any specific spots in XF86Config that you need help with?
[08:50] <king_arthur> melazyboy: that's great but I want the Xserver to work so hat to do?
[08:50] <pdaoust> okay, jmhodges, go grub
[08:50] <pdaoust> (that's the whole command... just 'grub')
[08:50] <jmhodges> right
[08:50] <jmhodges> into the grub shell i go
[08:50] <pdaoust> king_arthur: and can we see a copy of the error messages X spits out when it crashes, if you have a copy? (post into #flood to keep #ubuntu tidy)
[08:50] <jmhodges> pdaoust, done
[08:50] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I was considering trying to just copy the XFConfig-4 file from to the other
[08:51] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I b'lieve... oh wait, you said the stage2 was screwed
[08:51] <Tsjoklat> so where are we in the convo?
[08:51] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hmmmmmmm... could work, possibly... dunno... there's a lot of auto-detection stuff and things that might be slightly different
[08:51] <pdaoust> jmhodges: okay, quit
[08:51] <pdaoust> (using command 'quit')
[08:51] <jmhodges> right
[08:52] <jmhodges> ok, now what my man?
[08:52] <jmhodges> wait..
[08:52] <jmhodges> wtf..
[08:52] <jmhodges> my stage2 is back..
[08:52] <pdaoust> jmhodges: maybe it's corrupted?
[08:52] <jmhodges> i must have be smoking something terrible the other night
[08:52] <king_arthur> pdaoust: TKS that will need some hacking and time
[08:52] <pdaoust> :D
[08:52] <jmhodges> pdaoust, possible, lets assume its ok still
[08:52] <jmhodges> walk me through this.. i think i tried something like this before.. but a hand hold would be nice hehe
[08:52] <pdaoust> jmhodges: okay, if we're assuming it's okay, get back into the grub prompt (sorry)
[08:53] <pdaoust> king_arthur: what sort of hardware do you have?
[08:53] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I have a look but need to restart everything, how about just trying first simple copy
[08:53] <jmhodges> pdaoust, nah, no problem.. you went with what you had :D
[08:54] <pdaoust> jmhodges: which wasn't much :D I'm winging it myself.....
[08:54] <king_arthur> pdaoust: HP Vectra Pentium I 165 integrated SiS video card
[08:54] <pdaoust> jmhodges: in the grub prompt:
[08:54] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hehe
[08:54] <linux_galore> its funny I find this channel more easy going than many of the other distro channels
[08:55] <swim> I installed ubuntu a while ago, I got a kernel panic at boot, said I should boot with noapic, how do I that?
[08:55] <king_arthur> pdaoust: have tried manual configuration of the Xserver but did not succeed
[08:55] <pdaoust> install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 (hd0,0)/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,0)/grub/stage2 p /grub/grub.conf
[08:55] <pdaoust> (that last line was for jmhodges)
[08:55] <jmhodges> natch
[08:55] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[08:55] <pdaoust> okay
[08:55] <jmhodges> thats.. interesting..
[08:55] <jmhodges> Error 21: Selected disk does not exist
[08:55] <king_arthur> pdaoust: whow how do you do all this "brain sharing"? :-)
[08:55] <pdaoust> king_arthur: sorry, I forget -- did you already try just copying the Knoppix XF86Config over, or are you still wondering if you should or not?
[08:56] <pdaoust> king_arthur: I can't; my brains are leaking out my ears :-D
[08:56] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I want to do it
[08:56] <jmhodges> pdaoust, see that error
[08:56] <pdaoust> going into meltdown..............
[08:56] <jmhodges> ?
[08:56] <pdaoust> jmhodges: yeah.....
[08:56] <jmhodges> k :-/
[08:56] <pdaoust> dat is bizarre
[08:56] <jmhodges> very
[08:56] <jmhodges> wait.!
[08:56] <jmhodges> found it
[08:56] <pdaoust> yes?
[08:56] <swim> anyone?
[08:56] <jmhodges> the /grub/stage2 at the end
[08:57] <jmhodges> nope..
[08:57] <pdaoust> no?
[08:57] <jmhodges> oh and the /grub/grub.conf
[08:57] <spikehead> anyone playing nfsu2?
[08:57] <pdaoust> try both, eyah
[08:57] <pdaoust> was just about to suggest
[08:57] <pdaoust> spikehead: most advanced game I play is Frozen-Bubble :D
[08:57] <king_arthur> pdaoust: so the real question should be how to do it firt
[08:57] <geoffj> hi all
[08:57] <jmhodges> pdaoust,  perhaps it was the 'p' in there?
[08:57] <pdaoust> jmhodges...... hmmmmmmmmmm... dunno
[08:57] <spikehead> pdaoust: ok
[08:57] <jmhodges> or the --stage2 bit?
[08:58] <jmhodges> needing (hd0,0)
[08:58] <pdaoust> jmhodges: owing to the fact that I don't even know what the p is for and I'm just winging it there too! ha! :-D
[08:58] <jmhodges> hehehe
[08:58] <pdaoust> king_arthur: well, I guess that if you're not having any luck configuring it the normal ways, you could make a backup copy of XF86Config and copy the Knoppix version over
[08:59] <pdaoust> king_arthur: beware, sometimes the new version of XFree86 uses the file XF86Config-4, and if you have both config files, it could get confused.
[08:59] <swim> I installed ubuntu a while ago, I got a kernel panic at boot, said I should boot with noapic, how do I that? anybody??
[08:59] <geoffj> I have just upgraded my server from sid to hoary and the nfs-kernel-server is not working: when I try from another machine I get connection refused and there is nothing in the server's log files :( help please.
[08:59] <king_arthur> pdaoust: that's what I was asking for but I don't know   how to do
[08:59] <jmhodges> pdaoust, nada.. even with (hd0,0)/boot/ added as prefixes to everything
[08:59] <pdaoust> king_arthur: okay, I getcha
[09:00] <pdaoust> king_arthur: are you in a working installed Ubuntu environment right now, or are you in Windows, or are you in Knoppix?
[09:00] <king_arthur> pdaoust: Knoppix right now and xserver works
[09:00] <pdaoust> king_arthur: is Knoppix using the new X.org 6.8?
[09:01] <pdaoust> jmhodges: okay, here's what 'help install' tells me:
[09:01] <king_arthur> pdaoust: azzzzz how to find out?
[09:01] <king_arthur> pdaoust: it's 3.2
[09:01] <pdaoust> king_arthur: go 'less /etc/X11/xorg.conf' (without quotation marks) -- if it says there's no file like that, then you're using XFree86
[09:01] <king_arthur> pdaoust: no no I can see the XFConfig-4 file
[09:02] <pdaoust> jmhodges: "If the option 'p' is present, then the first block of Stage 2 is patched with new values of the partition and name of the configuration file used by the true Stage 2 at boot time."
[09:02] <pdaoust> jmhodges: there you go. clear as the sludge on the bottom of a swamp.
[09:02] <king_arthur> pdaoust: anyway one problem is that knoppix ain't using standard directory
[09:03] <pdaoust> king_arthur: ugh, really?
[09:03] <king_arthur> pdaoust: well it's all in ram isn't it?
[09:03] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hehe
[09:03] <pdaoust> king_arthur: some of the stuff is in ram, some is still on the CD
[09:04] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I wonder, do you have root access to your new chrooted environment?
[09:04] <pdaoust> (I guess what I'm asking is do you have a $ or a #?)
[09:04] <king_arthur> pdaoust: had a look it's xfree
[09:04] <pdaoust> king_arthur: okay, should work fine copying over then.
[09:04] <king_arthur> so question is where can I find my hda1 directories?
[09:05] <pdaoust> king_arthur: I'm assuming it's /mnt/hda1 -- that's where some Debian-based LiveCDs put their mounted discs
[09:05] <jmhodges> pdaoust, whoami retursn root
[09:05] <king_arthur> pdaoust: have done so but looks empty :-(
[09:05] <pdaoust> jmhodges: kay, just wondering if it wasn't able to patch the necessary files and stuff
[09:05] <jmhodges> right
[09:06] <pdaoust> king_arthur: that reminds me -- I think it doesn't mount them by default either, so you'll have to go 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1' first
[09:06] <pdaoust> :)
[09:06] <king_arthur> pdaoust: OK wiill do so
[09:07] <jmhodges> pdaoust, i think im just going to go with the damnable idea of starting up the ubuntu install..
[09:07] <jmhodges> bleh..
[09:07] <jmhodges> but it must be..
[09:07] <pdaoust> jmhodges: mebbe... but before you do, I'm gonna try to make some sense of this silly grub manual
[09:07] <jmhodges> k
[09:08] <jmhodges> oh, is there a way to install ubuntu from the live cd itself?
[09:08] <pdaoust> jmhodges: I've heard people say there isn't
[09:08] <pdaoust> :_S
[09:08] <jmhodges> thats just sillly
[09:08] <king_arthur> pdaoust: great that was the problem!!! I will copy and restart and see what happens tks
[09:09] <pdaoust> king_arthur: no prob; good luck!
[09:09] <king_arthur> pdaoust: see you in a few minutes hold on :-)
[09:09] <jmhodges> i suppose thats why they bundled the live cd and the install cd together
[09:09] <pdaoust> jmhodges: think so
[09:09] <Rod> hello :)
[09:09] <pdaoust> Rod, how's it going?
[09:09] <Rod> Guess what.. with this install those 4 lines are already in the file
[09:09] <pdaoust> Rod: thought so; I think the problem goes deeper
[09:09] <Rod> I have some other interesting news though
[09:10] <Rod> I told you I have a nvidia 6800 card
[09:10] <pdaoust> yep
[09:10] <Rod> the driver in XF86config gets set on nv automaticly, which seems to be ok
[09:10] <Rod> but X wont start, it says no device detected
[09:10] <pdaoust> Rod: kinda slow acceleration in my opinion
[09:10] <pdaoust> Rod: that's weird
[09:10] <Rod> so i had to switch to the vga driver, with a screenres of something like 300x200
[09:10] <pdaoust> Rod: any problems with LiveCDs (or have you tried them?)
[09:11] <Rod> so maybe its a motherboard issue?
[09:11] <Rod> no, the livecd takes a decent resolution
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: yeah, maybe the nforce3 drivers are just too young and buggy yet...
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: oh, if the LiveCD works, that's weird
[09:11] <Rod> not sure if it's nv, but pretty sure... vga cant take that high res with plenty of colours
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: indeed
[09:11] <pdaoust> Rod: but maybe it's using the vesafb drivers?
[09:12] <Rod> nvidia has some closed sourced drivers on their site... should I take those? :s  although i dont think the other working distro's took these
[09:12] <king_arthur> Hey guys, can anybody pls tell if there is an app to run irc in trminal (no xscreen)?
[09:12] <geoffj> I have just upgraded my server from sid to hoary and the nfs-kernel-server is not working: when I try from another machine I get connection refused and there is nothing in the server's log files :( help please.
[09:12] <crimsun> king_arthur: irssi-text
[09:12] <Rod> yeah, vesafb could be as well... Never payd attention to that actually
[09:12] <crimsun> king_arthur: I also recommend screen
[09:12] <crimsun> Rod: there are nvidia packages for ubuntu
[09:13] <pdaoust> king_arthur: irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n king_arthur works for me
[09:13] <Rod> on the cd crimsun ?
[09:13] <king_arthur> crimsun: just apt-get install irssi?
[09:13] <pdaoust> king_arthur: the interface is hard to get used to, but it does work in a pinch
[09:13] <crimsun> Rod: doubtful. you'll download them via apt-get
[09:13] <crimsun> king_arthur: sudo apt-get..., or use Synaptic, sure.
[09:13] <pdaoust> (if his ethernet driver was working :) )
[09:13] <king_arthur> crimsun: of course :-)
[09:13] <Rod> :)
[09:14] <king_arthur> pdaoust: it is 8-)
[09:14] <jmhodges> pdaoust, hey dont worry about my little issue.. ill just slap a ubuntu install on this empty space on my drive and fix things from there :)
[09:14] <pdaoust> jmhodges, thanks :)
[09:14] <crimsun> Rod: the 6800 is supported for 2d in 4.4.0 or X.Org 6.8+ iirc
[09:14] <crimsun> Rod: but Warty ships with a highly modified XFree86 4.3.0
[09:15] <geoffj> don't worry I have solved my problem using wiki, thanks
[09:15] <pdaoust> My dad just recently told me about this article he read, that said that multitasking is hugely damaging on the human mind :)
[09:15] <crimsun> Rod: so you'll need to use 'vesa'
[09:15] <Rod> aii ok crimsun
[09:15] <pdaoust> king_arthur: I mean Rod, who is having trouble finding the nvidia drivers
[09:15] <Rod> well i can take them from the nvidia website
[09:15] <Rod> not sure how to install the kernel-sources and such
[09:15] <crimsun> Rod: until you get network up; then you can install linux-restricted-modules.., nvidia-glx, and nvidia-common
[09:15] <Rod> is it under the headers package?
[09:16] <crimsun> Rod: no need for that. Warty already has them packaged; you just need network access to pull the necessary packages from Ubuntu's ftp site.
[09:16] <Rod> well, i can download it now, and copy it over the the linux partition\
[09:16] <melazyboy> Rod apt-get install kernel-tree
[09:16] <Rod> and then install it with dpkg
[09:16] <melazyboy> Rod: There is a tutorial on the wiki about it
[09:16] <crimsun> Rod: is network up? Have you installed Warty?
[09:16] <Rod> network isnt up crimsun
[09:16] <pdaoust> jmhodges: you mean just slap an install into an empty spot, just so it reinstalls the MBR and configures stage1 and stage2 properly? now there's an idea...
[09:16] <Rod> still same errors, except for those 4 lines which are already in the interfaces file
[09:17] <pdaoust> Rod: yeah, I was thinking you'd still have problems with that.
[09:17] <pdaoust> maybe ask the channel: anybody have any problems with an nForce3 chipset (AMD64 mobo), and Ubuntu not finding the drivers for the network card?
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: is forcedeth loaded?
[09:18] <pdaoust> (thinking to myself, how is he gonna apt-get the nvidia drivers without a 'Net connection.......)
[09:18] <Rod> afaik not crimsun
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: you need to load it
[09:18] <Rod> but i loaded it before, but it didnt gave me internet or whatso ever
[09:18] <pdaoust> Rod: you were having problems loading it, weren't you
[09:18] <jmhodges> pdaoust, yep
[09:18] <pdaoust> hm
[09:18] <jmhodges> pdaoust, that was my fall back plan
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: sudo modprobe forcedeth
[09:18] <Rod> pdaoust, only on debian it gave me an error.. on ubuntu it doesnt give me any output, which is good i think
[09:18] <pdaoust> jmhodges: that's an idea... maybe go into advanced mode, so you only have to install the basest of systems
[09:18] <crimsun> Rod: that should return you immediately to a prompt
[09:18] <jmhodges> pdaoust, think i will :)
[09:19] <pdaoust> Rod: that's interesting... I hope that's good :)
[09:19] <jmhodges> k, hopefully see you folks either tonight or when i get up in the morning
[09:19] <jmhodges> later!
[09:19] <Rod> do I need to enter other commonds to get connection to the network after running the modprobe command?
[09:19] <crimsun> bye jmhodges
[09:19] <pdaoust> righto, jmhodges, good luck :)
[09:19] <crimsun> Rod: sudo ifup eth0
[09:19] <Rod> ok
[09:19] <Rod> that should do it :)
[09:19] <pdaoust> hopefully :)
[09:19] <jmhodges> thanks
[09:19] <Rod> see you hopefully soon in ubuntu ;)
[09:20] <pdaoust> righto.
[09:20] <pdaoust> actually, I'm probably not gonna be there when Rod gets back... I'm falling asleep... but before I leave, does anybody know how to get rid of that bastardly authentication problems that have been plaguing Ubuntu users who try to install the FreeNX packages?
[09:20] <pdaoust> I reeeeeeeally wanna use my computer from a remote machine :)
[09:21] <crimsun> sorry, I have no experience with NX
[09:21] <pdaoust> yokay, no prob
[09:21] <pdaoust> worked so easily on Gentoo...
[09:22] <pdaoust> (but, as a tradeoff, everything ELSE works so easily on Ubuntu, as compared to Gentoo :-D )
[09:22] <pdaoust> righto, folks, I'm knackered. I'm going to bed.
[09:23] <king_arthur> pdaoust: it is working!!! knppix an immensely resorcefoul thing!! thank knoppix, thank you ubuntu, thank you pdaoust!! :-)
[09:23] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hey, that's good news! Glad it worked for you; I was kinda expecting it not to.
[09:23] <king_arthur> pdaoust: 8-)
[09:24] <king_arthur> pdaoust: my real question is wy did it not work in first instance?....
[09:24] <king_arthur> pdaoust: I did two installs and replaced a card just to be extra sure
[09:33] <crimsun> ni pdaoust
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: not sure, really... maybe the onboard SiS hardware was too exotic for it?
[09:33] <king_arthur> pdaoust: 8 years old 800x600 resolution?
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: hmm, yeah, you'd think they'd have support for that by now ^_^
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: Knoppix puts a *lot* of work into making sure their LiveCDs boot up on every conceivable piece of hardware under the sun, so maybe they've put more work into it than the Ubuntu devs have?
[09:33] <pdaoust> crimsun: sorry, what does 'ni' mean?
[09:33] <crimsun> pdaoust: 'night.
[09:33] <pdaoust> (I'm new to this 'Intarweb' thing)
[09:33] <pdaoust> crimsun: ah
[09:33] <pdaoust> thanky
[09:33] <crimsun> or 'morning
[09:33] <pdaoust> yeah, it's 0026 hours, for those of you who do things the military way :)
[09:33] <pdaoust> I shoulda gone to bed ages ago
[09:33] <pdaoust> see ya later folks.................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[09:33] <melazyboy> I would agree
[09:33] <melazyboy> nopix is wonderfull
[09:33] <melazyboy> start it, kill of modules untill shit breaks
[09:33] <king_arthur> pdaoust: so a matter of may be just clever German tuning of opensource s/w
[09:33] <melazyboy> Thats the module im missing!!!
[09:33] <melazyboy> excelent way to get stuff done
[09:33] <pdaoust> king_arthur: that's my guess. Some people will say that the distro isn't important; it's the technology behind it -- but some distros are just better for certain things out of the box
[09:33] <pdaoust> anyway, I'm gonna fall unconscious and slide off my chair prtty soon...
[09:33] <melazyboy> I agree, knopix is good for popping in a CD and having the question "will this work with less than 100hrs of labor" answered instantly, if it doesn't work on knopix chances are your better off buying new equipment
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> use Bea linux :P
[09:33] <Treenaks> melazyboy: that's why the Ubuntu Live CD rocks :)
[09:33] <Treenaks> hm.. I know the local PC store owners.. I might give them a few Ubuntu discs (and buy a working webcam: tested with the live CD :))
[09:33] <zenwhen> Bea linux LMAO
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> you gotta keep one cd Treenaks!
[09:33] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I know :)
[09:33] <Tsjoklat> you can always hand out Bea Linux cds?
[09:33] <melazyboy> Treenaks: While i would handsdown give ubuntu the 'best all around' os, i would still have to handle net compatibility to knopix, thats all they do..
[09:33] <melazyboy> Anyway im off to bed if anyone has anything important im on aim or whatever othr im network
[09:33] <melazyboy> tomorrow is saturday... still no work, muahah
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> on AIM?
[09:34] <Tsjoklat> what do we use? meboredboy?
[09:34] <melazyboy> close,
[09:34] <melazyboy> bet you can get it on your second guess =)
[09:34] <albert> pdaoust> this is king?arthur on ubuntu :=)
[09:34] <albert> jsut getting used to different keyboard
[09:35] <Tsjoklat> mehatebealinux?
[09:35] <albert> some minor tweaks for the interface
[09:35] <melazyboy> Not enogh hate to waste it with a distro of linux =/
[09:35] <melazyboy> ill use it more constructivly in the real world
[09:35] <albert> btw how do I change nick on a irc channel
[09:36] <melazyboy> type /nick name
[09:36] <melazyboy> where name is what you want
[09:36] <melazyboy> assuming you are using irc2, bitchx or irssi =/
[09:36] <albert> X-chat
[09:36] <melazyboy> probably the same
[09:37] <albert> but /nick didnt work
[09:37] <melazyboy> it seems to be an unspoke client standard, /nick or /name, /leave or /part, /join, /server
[09:37] <melazyboy> they aren't to creative.. /whois /who /ban /kick
[09:38] <albert> noluck
[09:38] <melazyboy> ... having a hard time believing both /nick and /name
[09:38] <melazyboy> didn't work
[09:38] <jirwin> hello
[09:39] <melazyboy> ,,,
[09:39] <jirwin> I am having trouble getting postgres support for php with apache2 using synaptic
[09:40] <jirwin> I was curious if someone could point me in the right direction
[09:41] <jirwin> i have installed apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4
[09:41] <jirwin> and php works
[09:50] <melazyboy> apt-cache search postgre php
[09:50] <jirwin> i have installed postgres
[09:50] <melazyboy> Im not sure, i use perl and the DBI/DBD
[09:50] <melazyboy> and mysql
[09:50] <Rod> argh I give up :0
[09:50] <jirwin> well I mean
[09:50] <Rod> I'd do better posting this on a forum, wouldnt I?
[09:50] <jirwin> php4 has a bunch of modules for it
[09:50] <jirwin> how do I get those to work with the phpmodule for apache
[09:50] <melazyboy> jirwin: I didn't think php4 had modules, i thought it just had an oversized engine =/
[09:50] <melazyboy> joking no flamewars lol
[09:50] <jirwin> heh.
[09:50] <jmhodges> woo
[09:50] <jmhodges> im back in my original ubuntu install
[09:50] <melazyboy> not sure jirwin, i would take this question to either our #php on freenode, or #php or #php-help on efnet
[09:50] <jirwin> any ideas on how to do that?
[09:50] <jirwin> oh ok thanks
[09:50] <melazyboy> sry =/
[09:50] <crimsun> Rod: what happened?
[09:50] <jmhodges> now to figure out how the heck the install cd auto-detected the other operating systems on this hard drive and how to make it "see" another partition as a part of LVM
[09:50] <Rod> pff I cant even get these binaries working crimsun
[09:50] <jmhodges> when i didnt use LVM inthe install
[09:50] <jmhodges> ok.. first things first..
[09:50] <Rod> the install goes ok.. but then i need to edit /etc/modules.conf.. but that isnt there
[09:50] <Rod> *the install of the nvidia drivers
[09:50] <jmhodges> how does Ubuntu detect the other operating systems and then auto-adds them to the grub set up?
[09:50] <calamari> hi
[09:50] <Tsjoklat> it smells it
[09:50] <calamari> when I go to uninstall some of the default apps, it also wants to uninstall ubuntu-base or ubuntu-desktop.  If I uninstall those will it break everything?
[09:50] <frankps> Can somebody please tell me how I can get listed optional files that I can install through apt?
[09:50] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: hehe, but i suppose i'd like to see what the sniffing software was
[09:50] <melazyboy> calamari: No but there is a logical downside
[09:50] <jmhodges> perhaps a dpkg-reconfigure would be enough
[09:50] <calamari> melazyboy: what'
[09:50] <calamari> s that?
[09:50] <melazyboy> calamari: As i see it, if you break the ubuntu-base install then when a new version of ubuntu-base is released you won't receive notification with upgrade, or dist-upgrade, because you have already removed the meta package that contains all of the ubuntu programs
[09:50] <calamari> just that I won't know which apps are ubuntu and which aren't?
[09:50] <frankps> szia Potn: Mar itt is vagy?
[09:50] <jdub> calamari: what are you removing, out of interest?
[09:50] <melazyboy> so in the event the ubuntu commity decides to remove packages, or add new packages, they will modify ubuntu-desktop to include the new definition, then when people go dist-upgrade, or upgrade, they will get the new version removing or adding the changes made to the distro, you will loose the meta package and forfit that functionality if you want it back you will have to apt-get install it manually assuming you remember
[09:50] <frankps> Mondja mar egy csatornat a hol nem vagy :-)
[09:50] <calamari> jdub: I wanted to remove a bunch of things, like emacs, vim, evolution, rhythmbox, more later
[09:50] <jirwin> hey...how would I recompile a package?
[09:50] <calamari> I didn't finish looking because I wasn't sure about the dependencies
[09:50] <spacey`ki> poor vim ;(
[09:50] <melazyboy> If you see where im going -- by my understanding other than the graphical installer, ubuntu is esentially a small debian installation with macro to apt-get a big all encompassing package, ubuntu-desktop
[09:50] <calamari> spacey`ki: time for the editor wars!
[09:51] <Tsjoklat> spacey`ki :P
[09:51] <ironwolf> any samba experts around that know how to enable "signing support" ?
[09:51] <calamari> I am actually looking for a textpad substitute
[09:51] <melazyboy> textpad is supposed to run pretty good with wine
[09:51] <melazyboy> thats my second fav, i learned vim..
[09:51] <calamari> I need an editor with the concept of virtual cursor space
[09:52] <melazyboy> like vim's visual block?
[09:52] <melazyboy> ctrl+v
[09:52] <calamari> melazyboy: hmm, maybe I'll bite the bullet and install wine then, if the universe package lists ever finish downloading :)
[09:53] <spacey`ki> melazyboy, what is that visual block?
[09:53] <ironwolf> samba? anyone?
[09:54] <spacey`ki> ironwolf, i prefer a beer;)
[09:54] <calamari> yay for uninstallable dependencies
[09:54] <melazyboy> spacey`ki: lets say you have 100lines of code, in a 'if' condiditonal, and you delete the encapsulating if statement
[09:54] <melazyboy> what do you do?
[09:55] <melazyboy> well in vim you can enter in visual mode and highlight one vertical block of tabs for 100 lines, and delete them
[09:56] <melazyboy> ... or of coarse you can run a 1,100s/^\t//;
[09:56] <jmhodges> the hell?
[09:56] <jmhodges> since when did openoffice depend on kde stuff in hoary?
[09:57] <melazyboy> jmhodges: What exactly are we talking about
[09:57] <jmhodges> eh?
[09:57] <jmhodges> hehe
[09:57] <melazyboy> jmhodges: Define 'stuff'
[09:58] <jmhodges> one sec.. jackd, kdelibs-bin etc
[09:58] <jmhodges> kdelibs-data, libarts1
[09:58] <melazyboy> I dont have kdelibs-bin installed
[09:58] <jmhodges> libjack0.80.jesus.im.not-writing-this-out
[09:59] <jmhodges> melazyboy: well, seeing as ijust updated and i had a conflict error in openoffice.org-debian-files i thought i would uninstall it and then reinstall but now its coming up with all of these new dependencies
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> lol
[09:59] <jirwin> hey...is there anyway to recompile a package installed with apt?
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> you must have enabled kde support jmhodges
[09:59] <jmhodges> ??
[09:59] <Tsjoklat> the mimelink thing
[09:59] <jmhodges> how the hell did i do that?
[09:59] <jirwin> such as compiling apache with php support
[10:00] <calamari> why doesn't the universe include libglib1.2 or libgtk1.2?  everything gnome seems to depend on them
[10:00] <Tsjoklat> ooo has a package called mimelink for use with/on kde
[10:00] <jmhodges> mimelink? there was something of that nature.. i dont know how it got there.. but i removed it
[10:00] <melazyboy> jmhodges: I already upgraded today, and when i apt-get --purge remove those pkges you just mentioned none of them list at all, never mind claiming as a dependant for openoffice, kind of odd =/
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> OpenOffice.org MIME bindings for KDE
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> OpenOffice.org is a full-featured office productivity suite that provides
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> a near drop-in replacement for Microsoft(R) Office.
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> This package contains the OpenOffice.org KDE MIME bindings for use with
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> KDE and KOffice.
[10:01] <jmhodges> i know.. i just upgraded just now however.. and iirc debian's pkgs get synced in late/early
[10:01] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: i found that, and i removed it before trying to reinstall openoffice.. the depends are the same..
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> purge it?
[10:02] <ulisse_> Hi Channel!
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> log out?
[10:02] <jmhodges> restarting synaptic..
[10:02] <jmhodges> that didnt do it
[10:02] <jmhodges> i cant purge it via synatpic oddly
[10:02] <ulisse_> someone using hoary?
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> wacky
[10:02] <Rod> thanks for the help crimsun and the other guy whom i forgot the name of :)
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> jmhodges: console type dpkg -l packagename
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> what does it give you
[10:03] <ironwolf> ulisse_: I am, whatcha need?
[10:03] <ulisse_> ironwolf, since alst update (yesterday) I found changes in the "computer://" folder
[10:04] <ulisse_> it seems it is no more looking into fstab
[10:04] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: http://www.pastebin.com/123846
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> lemme look jmhodges
[10:04] <jmhodges> bah, that must be wrong
[10:04] <ulisse_> before I saw my partitions as disks, in that folder
[10:04] <jmhodges> i thought i had the name right.. thats what it shows as in synaptic
[10:04] <jmhodges> or i thought it was..
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> it's purged
[10:05] <jmhodges> yep thats what it is
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> hoary?
[10:05] <jmhodges> ok then..
[10:05] <jmhodges> yeah hoary
[10:05] <ironwolf> ulisse_: what do you see now?
[10:05] <ulisse_> but now I cannot mount my partitions with a rightclick...
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> maybe it got warped?
[10:05] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: argh..
[10:05] <jmhodges> thats what im afraid of
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> did you check bugzilla?
[10:06] <jmhodges> ill have to hope and pray that this is just a debain sync up problem
[10:06] <jmhodges> not yet
[10:06] <pepsi_> does whorey have xorg?
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> if anyone else has the same issue?
[10:06] <jmhodges> will do
[10:06] <ulisse_> I see the cdroms, the floppy, the network and the filesystem
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> whorey... lol
[10:07] <plasmo> pepsi_: yes
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Peltoilves: hoary does yes
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> we went from warts to whores
[10:07] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: not seeing it
[10:07] <melazyboy> xorg blows
[10:07] <melazyboy> xorg--
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> you could file a bug report about it... or zit it out for a tad?
[10:07] <melazyboy> and its hoary =D
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> it does melazyboy
[10:07] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: i think ill wait until tomorrow night.. and then ill freak out :)
[10:08] <pepsi_> why does everyone want xorg then?
[10:08] <jmhodges> im just hoping that this is just a sync up problem
[10:08] <ironwolf> ulisse_: that's waht I see. :( sorry
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> yeah sounds like a plan :)
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> pepsi just like everybody wants firefox: to be ubercool
[10:08] <jmhodges> pepsi_: because its a more modular design, and it makes pretty things like transparency happen correctly
[10:08] <melazyboy> pepsi_: Because everyone has fancy nvidia cards and poor me is stuck with a puney ati =/
[10:08] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:08] <pepsi_> lol, who cares about graphics cards :P
[10:08] <jmhodges> same here.. i just gto this vid card too
[10:08] <ulisse_> ironwolf, do you have a partition that is not automatically mounted at startup?
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> I got both
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> thought ATI was the state of the art
[10:09] <Tsjoklat> paid for more the damn thing
[10:09] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:09] <melazyboy> pepsi_: Well with xfree i had 3d acceleration and the fglrx drivers =/ on xorg i have stupid 2d ati drivers that aren't 1/3 as good
[10:09] <pepsi_> i dont care about 3d
[10:09] <jmhodges> pepsi_: well, thats great for you :).. us however..
[10:09] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: bastard hehe
[10:10] <jmhodges> s/us/we/
[10:10] <melazyboy> *is jealous of Tsjoklat for having no affiliation with Texas, and owning an nvidia card*
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> jmhodges sowwy :P
[10:10] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:10] <pepsi_> so 3d aside, how is xorg compared for xfree86?
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> hahahah
[10:10] <pepsi_> to
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> you're smart or you ain't :)
 pepsi_: because its a more modular design, and it makes pretty things like transparency happen correctly
[10:10] <jmhodges> pepsi_: ^
[10:10] <pepsi_> k
[10:10] <jmhodges> its prettier, its faster, and its lighter
[10:10] <melazyboy> pepsi_: Xorg has a different license... and thats about it!!!!
[10:11] <jmhodges> and that too
[10:11] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:11] <pepsi_> ok
[10:11] <melazyboy> pepsi_: The other changes include, xfree86-4.conf -> xorg.conf
[10:11] <pepsi_> are many of you using hoary?
[10:11] <Tsjoklat> and it sucks donkey balls
[10:11] <ironwolf> ulisse_: all of mine mount correctly.
[10:11] <melazyboy> and uh .. wait thats the only other change noticable without state of the art benchmarking
[10:11] <ironwolf> pepsi_: hoary user here.
[10:11] <plasmo> pepsi_: is cokie or pepsi better? :|
[10:11] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Well phraised
[10:11] <pepsi_> coke
[10:11] <rocky_> G/day ppl
[10:11] <jmhodges> pepsi_: me, and i think this is my 2nd time of getting ever so slightly fucked by it
[10:11] <jmhodges> pepsi_: bewaaaaare!
[10:12] <plasmo> ;)
[10:12] <pepsi_> jmhodges: howso?
[10:12] <Tsjoklat> dr. Pepper
[10:12] <plasmo> rocky_: gday mate
[10:12] <ironwolf> pepsi_: it's a development release.  It's very, very fluid... sometimes that breaks things, sometimes that breaks LOTS of things.
[10:12] <jmhodges> pepsi_: for instance, a little while a go when the Ubuntu reops synced up with Debian's repos and the Deb repos had a borked sed pkg..
[10:12] <rocky_> how you doing plasmo
[10:13] <melazyboy> Yea ubuntu isn't like sid, when they say it can break, they mean it will break.
[10:13] <plasmo> good good ;)
[10:13] <melazyboy> err s/ubuntu/hoary/;
[10:13] <jmhodges> pepsi_: imagine finding out you can't install or remove anything :) but that only lasted a day..
[10:13] <pepsi_> hrm
[10:13] <Tsjoklat> hoary is worse then sid
[10:13] <jmhodges> pepsi_: things break, c'est la vie.. i like having the shiny new gaim etc
[10:13] <Tsjoklat> sid ppl wait for fixes in hoary
[10:13] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: haha, what?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> sid blokes wait for fixes in hoary before they throw it in their rep
[10:14] <pepsi_> how can i see whats all in the hoary repositories?
[10:14] <melazyboy> pepsi open up an html browser
[10:14] <melazyboy> and go it out
[10:14] <melazyboy> lol
[10:15] <ironwolf> pepsi_: hoary is like sarge+sid, mixed with a fair helping of 'experimental'
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> hoary is like sid and beyond
[10:17] <melazyboy> I would argue thats in large misleading ironwolf, because sid has packages in it that are what 2 yrs old? where as all of hoary's were built in the past month?
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> read above
[10:17] <jmhodges> hoary is like taking crack, shrooms and washing it down with a nice gulp of liquid acid
[10:17] <jmhodges> i like tossing in hyperbole
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> comes close jmhodges
[10:17] <plasmo> ^ lol
[10:17] <jmhodges> hehe
[10:18] <jmhodges> alright, 0417 and im making bad narco jokes.. time for sleep
[10:18] <jmhodges> thanks folks
[10:18] <plasmo> night
[10:19] <jmhodges> night
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> toodles jmhodges
[10:19] <Maligant> anyone know how to configure auto-login?
[10:20] <b_e_n_z> Maligant, gdmsetup
[10:21] <Maligant> Thanks benz... that was too easy
[10:21] <jmhodges> Maligant: nice gui way .. go to Computer>System Configuration>Login Screen Setup
[10:21] <Tsjoklat> jmhodges: go away :P
[10:21] <ironwolf> melazyboy: some of sid is older.  Most of experimental is fairly new.  Some of hoary is older, some is new.  The important thing is that it's a development release.  Not ready for stable/productional use.
[10:21] <jmhodges> Tsjoklat: hehe, im going im going
[10:23] <melazyboy> Anyone here in houston, or texas?
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> only you melazyboy
[10:23] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Thanks self esteem is soaring..
[10:23] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy sowwy.. it is Treenaks fault.. he made me type it
[10:24] <melazyboy> thats right always defer the blame
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> it is true
[10:24] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I did?
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks does it all
[10:24] <Treenaks> I do?
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> yes tomorrow it is iz
[10:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: oh ok :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> and if he is MIA ... we'll take joolz
[10:25] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: or tering ;)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> yes let's use tering :)
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> might as well :P
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> night everybody be good
[10:29] <melazyboy> no.
[10:29] <melazyboy> good night
[10:34] <calamari> ahh.. bump-media-player that's more like it.  I wish I could have it minimize to the system tray only tho.. even cd player doesn't seem to do that
[10:35] <melazyboy> mp3blaster =D
[10:36] <calamari> hehe
[10:42] <dad> good evening eneryone
[10:42] <dad> everyone ?
[10:43] <lool> _evening_ ?
[10:43] <lool> what country is this :)
[10:43] <dad> japan
[10:43] <dad> i think:)
[10:43] <lool> oh yeah sorry, should've seen that
[10:44] <dad> np
[10:44] <dad> is it ok to ask a question?
[10:45] <dad> oh well  - ummm force monitor refresh rate in XF84Conf
[10:46] <dad> stuck at 60 but want 70
[10:50] <dad> hmm bit like fishing lol
[10:54] <dad> anyone know if a single setting of 70  instead of 30-80 for refresh rate in XF86Conf will force refresh rate or not?
[11:04] <timo> does anybody know how to install the distutils for ptyhon-2.3.4 ?
[11:07] <timo> i get the following error: AttributeError: DistributionMetadata instance has no attribute 'get___doc__'
[11:07] <Kamion> timo: install the python-dev package
[11:08] <timo> yes i tried that
[11:08] <timo> but its not listed in synaptic
[11:13] <the_stick> Aaaah
[11:13] <the_stick> I just installed ubuntu , how do I change the res+refresh rate ?
[11:13] <the_stick> btw .. it looks awesome
[11:14] <Kamion> timo: python2.3-dev?
[11:15] <Kamion> timo: it's probably not on the CD
[11:15] <the_stick> huh ?
[11:15] <the_stick> oh
[11:15] <fabbione> hey Kamion
[11:15] <Kamion> hi fabio
[11:15] <fabbione> Kamion: you have plenty of nice udebs in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/
[11:15] <Kamion> hooray
[11:16] <Kamion> nice work
[11:16] <timo> its not on the cd and i didnt find it on the packet sources
[11:16] <fabbione> Kamion: let see if they work first :-)
[11:16] <Kamion> python-dev | 2.3.4-1ubuntu1 |         warty | all
[11:16] <Kamion> definitely in warty
[11:16] <the_stick> can someone please help me ? *_*
[11:16] <Kamion> timo: for hoary we've moved distutils into the main python package
[11:16] <timo> which packet source do i need???
[11:17] <timo> warty -> hoary?
[11:17] <Kamion> no, warty should be just fine
[11:17] <Kamion> you need 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main'
[11:17] <timo> so hoary is the upcoming release?
[11:17] <Kamion> yes, April 2005
[11:17] <timo> ok thx i'll try that
[11:17] <Kamion> it's still kind of flaky sometimes
[11:18] <the_stick> it says my monitor can handle only 60hz @ 1024x768/
[11:19] <the_stick> can you read this ?
[11:21] <fabbione> Kamion: i am off for a while.. let me know (via email) if something is broken
[11:22] <fabbione> Kamion: i will be able to look at them tomorrow or max monday
[11:22] <Kamion> fabbione: ok; may not be around much myself today, though
[11:22] <fabbione> Kamion: eheh don't worry
[11:22] <fabbione> Kamion: if there are problems, i want to get them fixed before i start working on 2.6.9
[11:25] <timo> Kamion: when searching for "python-dev" i only get the match "libboost-python-dev"
[11:29] <Kamion> timo: it's definitely there; try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install python-dev' at a terminal
[11:31] <timo> ok i'll do
[11:33] <timo> Kamion: thx a lot, now its downloading at least :> but im sure it was not listed in synaptic..
[11:33] <Kamion> did you hit "Reload" in synaptic after editing repositories?
[11:33] <timo> no.. but it restarted the whole synaptics many times
[11:34] <timo> or wasnt that enough?
[11:35] <CardinalSin> hi all.
[11:35] <timo> Kamion: yes, that was my fault.. after hitting the reload button it suddenly appeared
[11:36] <Kamion> restarting isn't enough, indeed; reload is the equivalent of 'apt-get update'
[11:36] <CardinalSin> newish Ubuntu user question. can i run "nautilus --no-desktop --browser" as root (or sudo)? if so how?
[11:36] <timo> but woudnt it be kind of more user-friendly if restarting would be combined with offering a reload?
[11:37] <CardinalSin> i don't want to have to open a root terminal every time.
[11:38] <Kamion> timo: reload is expensive, particularly over dialup
[11:38] <Kamion> timo: there'd be a riot if dialup users had to fetch the Packages files every time they started synaptic
[11:38] <Kamion> although *offer* a reload, maybe; dunno ...
[11:39] <Matt|> hi there. I'm a bit unfamiliar with apt. Can someone help me out? Is there a utility for removing unneeded dependencies? So, after installing a package which has required 5 dependencies, after removing that package, how can I remove the unwanted dependencies?
[11:40] <timo> no, not a forced reload every startup, but a dialog telling the user that his package list could be out of date or something
[11:40] <Matt|> ?
[11:41] <Kamion> Matt|: deborphan
[11:41] <Kamion> Matt|: aptitude can do it too, if you always installed packages with aptitude
[11:41] <Matt|> Kamion, ok thanks, I don't have that package but I will look for it
[11:41] <Matt|> no i don't use aptitude
[11:42] <lifeless> ah, so ... use aptitude :) did you know it can be run like apt - that is aptitude install foo'
[11:42] <Matt|> yes
[11:42] <Matt|> but i use synaptic ;p
[11:43] <RubenV> are these invalid module format errors on ndiswrapper normal?
[11:43] <RubenV> or should i lock my version to .10
[11:43] <Matt|> has anyone tried the new kernel image btw?
[11:43] <RubenV> Matt|: just installed it
[11:43] <RubenV> not yet booted
[11:43] <Matt|> me neither
[11:43] <RubenV> seems like lots of minor fixes
[11:43] <RubenV> nothing big
[11:44] <Matt|> :(
[11:44] <Matt|> you've had a look at the changelog?
[11:44] <RubenV> looks like lots of sparc stuff
[11:44] <Matt|> :(
[11:44] <Matt|> anything to acpi?
[11:44] <RubenV> (quick look though)
[11:45] <RubenV> lemme see
[11:45] <RubenV> mostly sparc stuff
[11:49] <Matt|> Kamion, when  run deborphan with no flags it lists some packages which seem important. Does it literally mean that nothing depends on those packages it lists?
[11:49] <Kamion> Matt|: what packages?
[11:49] <Matt|> a number of gstreamer packages
[11:49] <Matt|> i don't know if i use them or not
[11:49] <Kamion> Matt|: yes, I don't believe deborphan will ever list a package that is depended on by something installed
[11:49] <tensor> heya! can i view divx movies with the totem movie player? are there divx codecs for ubuntu?
[11:50] <Kamion> Matt|: if you aren't sure it might be better to leave them installed
[11:50] <Matt|> yeah probably :)
[11:50] <Matt|> what about libgtkhtml2-0?
[11:50] <Matt|> sounds important ;)
[11:51] <Kamion> Matt|: if you mean the new kernel image in hoary, it shouldn't change anything from a user point of view
[11:51] <Matt|> Kamion, k
[11:51] <Matt|> yeah i did mean that
[11:51] <faisal> how do I mount my other NTFS and windows partitions in linux ?
[11:51] <Kamion> 'apt-cache showpkg libgtkhtml2-0' will tell you reverse-deps
[11:52] <faisal> I'm pasting from the root window
[11:52] <Kamion> although I think that includes uninstalled packages
[11:52] <faisal> root@ubuntu:/ # mount dev/hdc1
[11:52] <faisal> mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:52] <Matt|> faisal, it's mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc# /mnt_point, but do it with care because you could destroy the windows partition if you try and write to it
[11:52] <Kamion> faisal: pmount /dev/hdc1
[11:53] <Kamion> you don't need to be root for that
[11:53] <faisal> ok
[11:53] <Matt|> i would suggest making it read only tho
[11:53] <Kamion> true, pmount doesn't let you pass options and always mounts rw
[11:53] <Matt|> or has ntfs support got better in linux now?
[11:53] <faisal> root@ubuntu:/ # mount dev/hdc1
[11:53] <faisal> mount: can't find /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[11:54] <Kamion> so 'sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /some/directory'
[11:54] <Kamion> faisal: you didn't read carefully
[11:54] <Kamion> but sorry, pmount won't work on a non-removable device, so ignore me
[11:55] <faisal> sorry i tried that
[11:56] <Matt|> faisal, as kamion says, try the command "sudo mount -o ro -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows"
[11:56] <Matt|> faisal, you have to make the directory /mnt/windows first if you don't have it
[11:56] <faisal> oh
[11:56] <Matt|> Kamion, sorry to tap off your apt knowledge, but how can I use apt-cache to search which packages I have installed?
[11:58] <Matt|> and if I do an apt-cache rdepends libgtkhtml2-0, are the packages its showing me ones which i have installed, or are they just all the packages which might depend on it
[11:58] <Kamion> "how can I use my coffee machine to make tea?" :-)
[11:58] <Kamion> try 'dpkg -l'
[11:58] <Matt|> k
[11:58] <Matt|> coffee machines make tea... and hot chocolate... and soup, some of them
[11:58] <Kamion> apt-cache rdepends is showing all reverse-dependencies it knows about, not necessarily just installed ones
[11:59] <Matt|> yeah ok cool
[11:59] <Matt|> right I'm getting there
[11:59] <Matt|> Kamion, thanks for ya help
[12:01] <Matt|> Kamion, is there a command which removes all orphaned packages? a really unsafe command...
[12:03] <Matt|> Kamion, ok i see it, don't worry
[12:06] <faisal> how do i get into my root asccount in ubuntu?
[12:06] <Matt|> faisal, you use sudo to get temporary root privileges
[12:06] <mjr> I believe that's a faq
[12:07] <faisal> sorry
[12:07] <Matt|> mjr, i believe this is a help channel
[12:07] <Matt|> faisal, type "sudo" before commands when you need to be root
[12:07] <faisal> at 60hz, xchat black window is the only bearable window
[12:07] <faisal> ok
[12:08] <faisal> how do i stop x server ?
[12:09] <mjr> /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:09] <Matt|> faisal, log out, then do CTRL ALT F1, then log in to the console, and stop gdm
[12:09] <faisal> <-- will stop askinfg Q's when the nvidia driver is installed
[12:09] <faisal> ok
[12:09] <faisal> thanks
[12:09] <mjr> (with sudo)
[12:11] <jind> How do I uninstall a deb package?
[12:11] <Matt|> apt-get remove package is nice
[12:11] <jind> Thanks :)
[12:11] <jind> Checkinstall is nice too ;)
[12:12] <jind> hmm, it's a locally installed package
[12:12] <calamari> if I want to add something to the PATH globally, what file does it go in?
[12:12] <jind> Isn't apt-get only for remetly fetched packages?
[12:14] <ctd> jind: apt-get remove applies for all installed debs
[12:14] <Matt|> is it not working?
[12:15] <calamari> nm
[12:15] <jind> ctd, thanks :)
[12:19] <Vince-0> calamari - u find that file ?
[12:21] <zopy> is it possible to add by default Gartoon Icons => http://zeus.qballcow.nl/icons.php ?
[12:22] <zopy> or you want to make your own ?
[12:22] <ctd> bob2: How does one usually change consoles on this hardware?
[12:23] <Vince-0> no idea
[12:26] <bob2> ctd: change consoles?
[12:27] <bob2> like chvt?
[12:27] <the_stick> Linux is tough
[12:27] <the_stick> lot's of new stuff to learn o_O
[12:27] <bob2> well, if you haven't used it before
[12:27] <bob2> windows is confusing to me after not using it for years
[12:27] <the_stick> i used SuSe
[12:28] <the_stick> for a day
[12:28] <the_stick> very slow and unstable
[12:28] <bob2> it shouldn't be, don't forget to file bugs!
[12:28] <the_stick> but this ubuntu this is very fast
[12:28] <the_stick> thing*
[12:28] <the_stick> really nice to use too
[12:28] <the_stick> gnome > KDE
[12:28] <the_stick> imo
[12:28] <plasmo> D:
[12:29] <altorus> hi, and is anyone familiar with the powernow daemon in here?
[12:29] <altorus> its running on the default runlevel, but would like to change it from active to passive, it scales too quickly
[12:30] <altorus> the init script tells me to creaate /etc/default/powernowd for custom options, but i'm unsure of the format
[12:30] <ctd> bob2: virtual terminals
[12:30] <zopy> is there another url for humanxmms because this failed http://anka.org/henrik/humanxmms/
[12:30] <bob2> ctd: chvt
[12:30] <zopy> ?
[12:31] <ctd> uh?
[12:33] <zopy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=409 xmms skins
[12:33] <Vince-0> what Gfx cards u guyz running ?
[12:33] <zopy> this work http://www.xwebnet.com/files/HumanXMMS-0.2.tar.bz2 cool
[12:34] <zopy> Matrox G400
[12:34] <tolle> are there any easy to use graphical networksetting program that works, some dude needs one and he is 200km from here so i cant realy help him.
[12:36] <tolle> ah it worked out, he was messing with the wrong networkinterface
[12:36] <the_stick> Evolution Mail is pretty slick
[12:36] <Rene_S> Is there a way to make application cover a panel ?
[12:39] <bob2> ctd: to change from one virtual terminal to another, use chvt
[12:39] <bob2> tho I think I don't get your question
[12:40] <Matt|> what is the best way to backup my home directory?
[12:41] <bob2> rsync it to another machine
[12:41] <daniels> ctd: are you talking about the fact you can't do ctrl-alt-f1 or such with the ibook?
[12:41] <bob2> ah
[12:41] <Matt|> bob2, i was gonna compress it first if poss
[12:41] <Matt|> then i'll copy it to another machine
[12:42] <altorus> any laptop/powernowd users at all?
[12:42] <bob2> rsync compresses
[12:42] <Matt|> bob2, how does it work?
[12:42] <Matt|> i need a server on the other machine?
[12:42] <faisal> with which app do I open .deb files ?
[12:42] <Vince-0> <R any of U guyz runnung AMD64 > * ?
[12:42] <RubenV> altorus: full time laptop user here
[12:42] <bob2> altorus: did you readf the man page?
[12:42] <RubenV> lot's of em i think
[12:43] <altorus> Yes i did, it doesn't give details as to the syntax of the debian specific optional config file
[12:43] <bob2> Matt|: no, it can work over ssh
[12:43] <Fwiffo> faisal: What are you trying to accomplish?
[12:43] <Matt|> bob2, ok that's good. How do i get it working?
[12:44] <bob2> altorus: sure it can take a config file at all?
[12:44] <bob2> (the man page doesn't seem to say so)
[12:44] <altorus> from the init script : # create the file /etc/default/powernowd if you want to override the value of
[12:44] <altorus> # variable OPTIONS and change the default behavior of the daemon as launched
[12:44] <bob2> Matt|: rsync -a -z -vv --partial /home/blah/ you@remote:/home/blah/backup/
[12:44] <Matt|> wow
[12:44] <altorus> it defaults to aggressive, which is too much on this machine would prefer passive
[12:44] <bob2> altorus: oh, yeah, that's just to override command line options
[12:45] <bob2> altorus: you can just edit /etc/init.d/powernowd
[12:45] <altorus> bob2, yep, thats where i figured setting a different mode would happen :)
[12:45] <altorus> i didn't see any mode settings in there, it just uses the default
[12:45] <faisal> Fwiffo,  I want to install bittorrent
[12:45] <bob2> altorus: or make a file called /etc/default/powernowd with the words: OPTIONS="-m2"
[12:45] <bob2> faisal: sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[12:45] <bob2> faisal: but bittorrent is in ubuntu...
[12:45] <altorus> bob2, thatnks thats the kind of syntax i was after :D
[12:46] <bob2> altorus: erm, how do you mean?
[12:46] <Fwiffo> faisal: yes, my advice is to use what's in the repositories
[12:46] <faisal> it is o_O
[12:46] <faisal> ok
[12:46] <bob2> altorus: it's how you set settings for powernowd
[12:46] <Vince-0> <R any of U guyz runnung AMD64 > * ?
[12:46] <altorus> as in the syntax for that actual file, thru /etc/defaults its kinda all over the place
[12:46] <bob2> Vince-0: it's best to just ask your question
[12:46] <altorus> a lot of it being program specific
[12:46] <Vince-0> bob2 - thats just my question
[12:47] <bob2> altorus: everything I know of in /etc/default/ are shell scripts that get sources
[12:47] <bob2> Vince-0: lots of people are using it
[12:47] <Vince-0> kk kewl
[12:47] <Matt|> bob2, wow rsync is clever. How can i compress the stuff?
[12:47] <bob2> Matt|: -z says use compression
[12:47] <altorus> nope still aggressive.
[12:47] <bob2> altorus: did you restart it?
[12:47] <Matt|> bob2, kthx
[12:47] <Fwiffo> faisal: fwiw Azerus should be a good client for torrents
[12:47] <Vince-0> Bitcommet is the best client
[12:48] <Fwiffo> ok
[12:48] <altorus> bob2, yep, just rereading the initscript, see if it gives any hinters
[12:48] <bob2> 'start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --oknodo --exec $DAEMON -- $OPTIONS >/dev/null 2>&1'
[12:49] <bob2> you really just need to set $OPTIONS
[12:49] <Matt|> bob2, its working thanks a million you rock
[12:49] <altorus> ./powernowd
[12:49] <altorus>  * Usage: /etc/init.d/powernowd {start|stop|restart|force-reload}
[12:49] <altorus> no options specified.
[12:49] <bob2> erm
[12:50] <bob2> sudo invoke-rc.d powernowd restart
[12:50] <altorus> still too used to the gentoo way of doing things :
[12:50] <altorus> :| rather
[12:53] <altorus> woops, the dreaded G word - hehe
[12:56] <jind> Can anybody recommend a gnome frontend to mplayer for me?
[12:56] <jind> Preferably something in the repositories
[12:57] <Vince-0> dunno
[12:57] <Vince-0> sorry
[12:57] <ctd_> Any particular reason it would be for mplayer?
[12:58] <echylo> hi have a question
[12:58] <echylo> just reinstalled ubuntu, from shipped cd
[12:58] <altorus> jind, is gmplayer in the reps?  it /should/ be a part of the standard mplayer package
[12:58] <echylo> now I want to mount my ntfs & fat partitions
[12:58] <echylo> but it says its not supported by kernel
[12:58] <Vince-0> echylo
[12:59] <echylo> that's me yes..
[12:59] <Vince-0> mount -t ntfs /dev/hdXx /mnt/xxx
[12:59] <echylo> did that :)
[12:59] <echylo> ntfs is not supported by kernel
[12:59] <Vince-0> hmm
[12:59] <bob2> echylo: what does "uname -r" print out?
[12:59] <echylo> and in the previous it was
[12:59] <bob2> it really is supported by the kernel
[12:59] <Vince-0>  Imounted ntfs
[01:00] <echylo> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[01:00] <Fwiffo> echylo: sudo modprobe ntfs
[01:00] <bob2> echylo: and what *exactly* are you running?
[01:00] <echylo> ?
[01:00] <jind> gmplayer is installed be not working
[01:00] <echylo> exactly?
[01:00] <echylo> ubuntu 4.10?
[01:00] <bob2> what is the exact command line you're using
[01:00] <jind> /s/be/but
[01:00] <Fwiffo> echylo: yes, that will load the needed kernel module
[01:01] <echylo> doesn't work Fwiffo
[01:01] <bob2> I'm 99% certain mount will load the module automagically
[01:01] <echylo> ow it does
[01:01] <bob2> show us the exact command you're running
[01:01] <echylo> w8
[01:01] <bob2> "wait"?
[01:01] <echylo> yes
[01:01] <Fwiffo> well I had that problem once and loading the module manually fixed it :/
[01:01] <echylo> ok it works now
[01:01] <echylo> thanks
[01:03] <Matt|> bob2, rsync has not worked properly: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702)
[01:03] <bob2> erm
[01:03] <bob2> does it happen if you try again?
[01:03] <bob2> what if you add another -v?
[01:03] <Vince-0> Q! - has any1 had issies with apt -get fglrx and AMD64 ? > *
[01:03] <Matt|> ok i'll try but it will take a while
[01:03] <Vince-0> issues*
[01:04] <bob2> Vince-0: you can just use normal english in here, you don't need to prefix or suffix questions with random characters
[01:04] <Vince-0> I will do that bob
[01:04] <bob2> Matt|: it should be very quicdk, it won't transfer anything that hasn't had it's mtime change
[01:04] <Matt|> oh shit
[01:04] <Kamion> Vince-0: they're only supported on i386 at the moment
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, too late for that, i've already deleted the remote dir
[01:05] <bob2> Matt|: gah
[01:05] <Vince-0> i emailed ATI - chooned them to make a working driver for us 64bitters
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, ;) i'll be back soon
[01:05] <daniels> emailing ATI won't help, I'm afraid
[01:05] <Matt|> Vince-0, that's not gonna do any good
[01:05] <Vince-0> yar I know , its all I can do
[01:05] <Matt|> they don't listen to 17000 strong petitions
[01:06] <Vince-0> well then I am stuck with 2d
[01:07] <Matt|> :(
[01:11] <Vince-0> what kewl stuff have u guyz accomlished in Ubunt ?
[01:11] <Vince-0> I wanna replace my winXp
[01:11] <Matt|> Vince-0, you've got 3d graphics in winxp i guess
[01:12] <Matt|> if you play games and stuff i guess you should keep windoze
[01:12] <Vince-0> Matt| : indeed I do - the first thing stoping me from migrating
[01:12] <Matt|> Vince-0, or you could buy a new video card i guess ;)
[01:12] <Vince-0> Matt| : nought , thats not an option
[01:12] <Matt|> k
[01:13] <Vince-0> Matt| : what u doin about it ?
[01:13] <Matt|> about what?
[01:13] <RubenV> errr
[01:13] <RubenV> the point is more: do you need 3D in linux,
[01:13] <Matt|> RubenV, sure you do
[01:13] <Vince-0> yeah u do
[01:14] <RubenV> Matt|: I haven't seen much 3D on my desktop yet :)
[01:14] <bob2> not everyone does
[01:14] <Vince-0> well, get Cedega and Doom3
[01:14] <bob2> I had some silly geforce2 for years and never used 3d on it
[01:14] <Matt|> RubenV, i haven't seen much X on my desktop yet
[01:14] <bob2> unrelated to the fact the silly binary drivers oopsed my machine
[01:14] <Matt|> but if you wanna play games...
[01:15] <Matt|> ok bob2 same rsync error
[01:15] <RubenV> games can be missed
[01:15] <Vince-0> indeed i wanna jamsom games
[01:15] <Vince-0> well I donRubenV : so then u got a serverbx ?
[01:16] <RubenV> Vince-0: ??
[01:16] <Matt|> bob2, here is the error (3 lines)
[01:16] <Matt|> total size is 559062878  speedup is 3808.67
[01:16] <Matt|> rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(702)
[01:16] <Matt|> _exit_cleanup(code=0, file=main.c, line=702): about to call exit(23)
[01:16] <bob2> RubenV: he's saying "so you don't play games, you must only have a server?"
[01:16] <Vince-0> RubenV : if u dont use 3D then u running services - dont u get bored ?
[01:16] <bob2> Matt|: erm, I don't know, that's odd
[01:17] <RubenV> I have a desktop (which I don't use) and a laptop
[01:17] <RubenV> why would i get bored?
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: maybe you don't have read permissions on some of the files?
[01:17] <Matt|> bob2, remote dir: 564360  kallisto_backup/
[01:17] <dad> can anyone give me a clue as to how to change refresh rate from 60hz on a G4 tower?
[01:17] <Matt|> bob2, must be yeah
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: hm, stuff like ~/.aptitude is owned by root
[01:17] <Kamion> Vince-0: plenty of non-3D games out there
[01:17] <RubenV> computers can do more then just gaming :)
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: you could run rsync with sudo I guess
[01:17] <zombics> after i installed the nvidia-glx i tryed to run X. i got this error: failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!  what can i do?
[01:17] <RubenV> Kamion: I don't play games at all
[01:17] <RubenV> :)
[01:17] <Matt|> bob2, will it maintain the owners and permissions?
[01:17] <Kamion> RubenV: yeah, *even* for gamers though
[01:17] <Vince-0> Kamion : hehe - yar - but .... 3d common man - its imperrative
[01:17] <bob2> Matt|: yes
[01:18] <dad> ouch zombics:(
[01:18] <RubenV> When i get bored, I try to find stuff to put in the bugzilla :D
[01:18] <Kamion> Vince-0: *shrug* I play games and none of them are 3D
[01:18] <Matt|> bob2, ok so would you recommend running it with sudo?
[01:18] <Matt|> Kamion, tuxracer man
[01:18] <Matt|> :p
[01:18] <zombics> dad, dont like the sound of that :\
[01:18] <Matt|> bob2, the alternative i changing the permissions on the local home dir ;)
[01:18] <Vince-0> Lets just say, W/o drivers my srnsavers jolt
[01:18] <bob2> zombics: load the module
[01:18] <dad> oh ok  sorry cant help you then?
[01:18] <bob2> zombics: "sudo modprobe nvidia", then add it to /etc/moduleses
[01:19] <CraHan[zZz] > good morning everyone
[01:19] <Vince-0> good morning, what country u in ?
[01:19] <dad> good evening crahan
[01:19] <CraHan> Belgium :)
[01:19] <Rene_S> go back to bed its too early to be up
[01:19] <RubenV> goeiemorgen :D
[01:19] <Vince-0> that would explain it
[01:19] <CraHan> it's around 1pm
[01:19] <CraHan> but I just woke up
[01:20] <CraHan> so it's morning :)
[01:20] <CraHan> RubenV: heyhey :D
[01:20] <zombics> bob2, thx! going to try it :)
[01:20] <dad> bob2 i sudoed modprobe nvidia and got fatal erro not found ? :)
[01:20] <bob2> dad: install the resitrcted modules package
[01:20] <Matt|> bob2, will rsync delete files in the remote directory that aren't found on the local dir?
[01:21] <bob2> no
[01:21] <Matt|> k
[01:21] <bob2> not unless you pass --delete
[01:21] <bob2> but, it will nuke all changes on the remote side
[01:21] <dad> restricted nvidia mods ok ill try thnkee
[01:21] <bob2> so don't edit both ends
[01:21] <Matt|> no it's only to backup
[01:22] <Matt|> bob2, .bash_history is owned by root in my home directory. Perhaps i should delete that
[01:23] <dad> what is the url for the restricted packages ?
[01:23] <Matt|> dad, use synaptic to install it
[01:23] <Matt|> it's called linux-restricted-modules or something similar
[01:23] <dad> thnks matt i will have to add restricted to repos i guess?
[01:23] <Matt|> dad, nope
[01:23] <dad> oops okies ill have a peek
[01:24] <Matt|> dad, dunno which repository it is in, but have a look
[01:25] <Matt|> bob2, why is it saving my sudo .bash_history in my home directory do you know?
[01:25] <lourens> hey
[01:25] <dad> matt all i can find is nvdia-kernel-common?
[01:26] <Matt|> dad, hang on a sec
[01:26] <dad> ok thnks
[01:26] <bram> hi... noob allert :-D
[01:27] <bram> noob being, ... me !
[01:27] <dad> its a big club bram :)
[01:27] <Kamion> Matt|: use the -H option to sudo if you want it to change the home directory
[01:27] <Matt|> dad, did you follow the wiki for the nvidia thing
[01:27] <bram> installed ubuntu - all working well - except wireless, so... here I am :D
[01:27] <azeem> hi
[01:27] <Kamion> dad: linux-restricted-modules is installed by default
[01:28] <Kamion> dad: you might need nvidia-glx though
[01:28] <dad> no i didnt  im on a ppc  i dont see restricted mods in repositories
[01:28] <dad> ah yes
[01:28] <Matt|> Kamion, i think it's saving the commands i do with sudo -s in that file. Is there any way to save them permanently to /root/.bash_history instead of me passing -H
[01:28] <Kamion> Matt|: no; sudo -H each time
[01:28] <Matt|> nvidia-glx depends on linux-restricted-modules i think
[01:28] <Kamion> or sudo -H -s
[01:28] <Matt|> Kamion, ok
[01:28] <bram> sooo. does anyone feel like guiding a nood through trying to figure out what's wrong w/ his wifi?
[01:28] <Matt|> :(
[01:28] <Matt|> bram, go ahead people will try and help
[01:28] <Kamion> Matt|: or 'alias sudo="sudo -H"' in your .bashrc
[01:28] <Matt|> Kamion, good idea thx
[01:29] <CraHan> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3244
[01:29] <Kamion> dad: nvidia-glx is only available on amd64 and i386, sorry
[01:29] <azeem> how do I add a swap partition to ubuntu? I have '/dev/hda6 none swap sw 0 0' in /etc/fstab, but swapon -a fails with "/dev/hda6: Invalid argument"
[01:29] <CraHan> question about that bug
[01:29] <bram> well, I think it KINDA works, because the wifi connector thingy in gmome tells me 83% link strength
[01:29] <Kamion> azeem: did you mkswap it?
[01:29] <dad> uhoh lol guess i can live with it ..pretty awful artifactees though  thnks matt
[01:29] <bram> however - trying to "enable" the wifi in the network settings (gnome) only switched it back off
[01:29] <azeem> Kamion: eh :)
[01:30] <Matt|> CraHan, seems quite clear
[01:30] <lourens> I'd like to remap a key, but it seems that GNOME and/or Ubuntu won't let me
[01:30] <CraHan> I,don't get that share folder option in the contect menu
[01:30] <azeem> Kamion: cheers
[01:30] <Matt|> CraHan, oh
[01:30] <lourens> I created a .Xmodmap with the mapping and a .xinitrc to load it
[01:30] <CraHan> if I right click a folder I have no option that let's me do that :)
[01:30] <bram> I've got an Atheros chipset, supported by the madwifi project - which is supposedly used by Ubuntu...
[01:30] <Kamion> CraHan: might be a hoary thing
[01:30] <lourens> but when I first tried it GNOME informed me explicitly that it ignored my .Xmodmap
[01:31] <CraHan> Kamion: I'm using hoary though
[01:31] <lourens> and on a second attempt X wouldn't load at all if I had any kind of .xinitrc, even an empty one
[01:31] <Matt|> CraHan, that's what he means
[01:31] <CraHan> oh I see
[01:31] <bram> so: Question => how do I figure out if my wifi 'sees' any of the networks floating around here, and how do I connect to it.
[01:31] <CraHan> gonna have to add a comment in the big report then :)
[01:32] <azeem> lourens: did you try 'Desktop Settings->Keyboard' and tweaking the layout there?
[01:32] <Kamion> CraHan: do you have gnome-user-share installed? (I think that's the package name)
[01:32] <CraHan> aah let me check that
[01:32] <Matt|> new since yesterday
[01:33] <CraHan> isn't that 2 different things?  They reassigned my bugreport about the samba sharing to this one, but I don't think gnome-useshare has anything to do with sambe
[01:33] <CraHan> *samba rather
[01:33] <lourens> bram: I've no experience with wireless, but may iwlist does the trick?
[01:33] <Kamion> no idea
[01:33] <lourens> try "man iwlist" in a console
[01:34] <jdub> Kamion: yeah, gnome-user-share doesn't do samba configuration stuff
[01:34] <CraHan> jdub: indeed, it does rendezvous and webdav
[01:34] <jdub> CraHan: shares-admin
[01:34] <lourens> azeem: well, it lets me choose another layout...but I have a laptop which has two backslash keys
[01:34] <jdub> CraHan: i packaged it :)
[01:34] <Matt|> LOL
[01:34] <CraHan> jdub: I installed that and I reported a bug for it
[01:34] <lourens> one to the bottom left of the return key, and one next to the left shift key
[01:34] <CraHan> jdub: the menu entry didn't have the gksudo set
[01:35] <lourens> the key next to the return key works as expected, the one next to the shift is dead
[01:35] <jdub> CraHan: yes, known bug
[01:35] <azeem> lourens: hmm, dunno about that
[01:35] <CraHan> jdub: so I added a bugreport for it, but now they assigned it to a bugreport about the context menu, I don't have any option for sharing in the context menu of a folder :/
[01:35] <lourens> so I want to have the one next to the shift key as backslash bar, and the one next to the return key as return as well, thus creating a big return key
[01:35] <azeem> lourens: it might be that GNOME-2.10 will be more configurable in this regard
[01:36] <lourens> which should me a matter of keycode 94 = backslash bar and keycode 51 = Return
[01:36] <lourens> I had that setup on my previous Slackware install and it worked just fine
[01:36] <lourens> I don't really care for a more powerful GUI config tool, as long as the thing wouldn't explicitly work against me :(
[01:37] <lourens> if I want a system that thinks it knows better than me I'll go back to Windows...
[01:37] <lourens> well, actually I wouldn't since I have no idea how to use Windows, but as a figure of speech ;)
[01:38] <lourens> bram, does iwlist do anything interesting?
[01:38] <Vince-0> I am just stoked I can even get into here with my Ubuntu ....
[01:38] <lourens> sorry for griping :(
[01:39] <bram> OKay, iwlist works - so I can see the networks - now - how do I connect ? I tried the Gnome network config thingy, but no luck
[01:39] <lourens> I've been running Slack with icewm and KDE for the past five years or so, and I'm used to having a lot of power and nothing in the way of using it
[01:39] <lourens> GNOME feels very limited to me...
[01:40] <bram> ( gnome network settings => if I hit the "active" checkbox, it just de-activates itself )
[01:40] <lourens> what does it say in properties?
[01:40] <bram> wireless network + name of my SSID
[01:41] <bram> DHCP...
[01:41] <vIkSiT> Greetings all
[01:41] <lourens> hi viksit
[01:43] <lolo> Hello !
[01:43] <vIkSiT> hey lourens
[01:43] <lourens> bram: if you type traceroute www.google.com in a console, what does it say?
[01:43] <lourens> hello lolo
[01:44] <lourens> whoops
[01:44] <lourens> I have to go get my laundry out of the machie
[01:44] <lourens> machine even
[01:44] <lourens> be back in ten minutes or so
[01:44] <lolo> i've juste a (stupid) question : can i add debian server to my sources.list ?
[01:44] <bram> well - I'm using my wired connection rite now - so I'm sure it'll do a proper trace... which makes me think: do I need to kill my wired connection in order to connect my wireless?
[01:45] <vIkSiT> I was wondering.. how does the project cover the costs for the CD-shipment? I mean, are they *totally free of cost?
[01:45] <lolo> whithout trouble with ubuntu packages.
[01:45] <azeem> lolo: better don't
[01:45] <azeem> lolo: what are you missing from Ubuntu?
[01:45] <vIkSiT> Because for small organizations, its a heaven-sent when trying to propogate linux to more people..
[01:46] <lolo> azeem: I can't install PAN newsreader :-/
[01:46] <lolo> azeem: 2 dependance packages in error
[01:47] <azeem> wat's the error?
[01:48] <lolo> azeem: Dpend: libgnet2.0-0 (>= 2.0.4) and  Dpend: libpcre3 (>= 4.5) but not installable.
[01:48] <Vince-0> What IRC clients r U guyz using (I dont like Xchat much) ?
[01:49] <lolo> Vince-0: Try ChatZilla :)
[01:49] <frankps> Gaim is an ok alternative
[01:49] <azeem> Vince-0: irssi
[01:49] <Vince-0> lolo :thnkz
[01:49] <vIkSiT> Vince-0, try irssi?
[01:49] <Vince-0> I cant get the nick list on the right of the chan window in Xchat
[01:49] <vIkSiT> or even something like KDE's Kommunicate
[01:50] <vIkSiT> Vince-0, ? Just pull the tab with the mouse towards the right..
[01:50] <vIkSiT> tab == dividing bar between conversation and nick lists
[01:50] <Vince-0> OMS! it was hidden there, thnkz
[01:50] <vIkSiT> :) You're welcome
[01:51] <plasmo> lolo: i can install both of those pakages u mentioned libgnet libpcre3
[01:51] <azeem> plasmo: what versions?
[01:51] <plasmo> libgnet 2.0.4-1
[01:51] <lolo> plasmo: what servers are in your sources.list ?
[01:52] <plasmo> pcre3 4.5-1.1
[01:52] <plasmo> hoary
[01:52] <lolo> Hum... I use warty
[01:52] <plasmo> :D
[01:55] <lolo> What is the difference hoary/warty ?
[01:56] <plasmo> new pakages. lastest stuff
[01:56] <Vince-0> What other appz r worth getting for my new Ubuntu /? - (general use ones, music,movies ...)
[01:56] <lourens> back
[01:56] <jdub> lolo: warty == stable release, hoary == development branch.
[01:57] <lolo> jdub: like in debian Sarge/Sid ?
[01:57] <CraHan> I like to live dangerously
[01:57] <jdub> lolo: sort of
[01:57] <CraHan> hoary all the way
[01:57] <jdub> lolo: though hoary will be frozen and have a release
[01:57] <jdub> lolo: whereas sid is a permanent development branch
[01:57] <CraHan> I just love the uncertainty of doing a apt-get upgrade
[01:58] <plasmo> dist-upgrade :)
[01:58] <lolo> jdub: Can i use package from the 2 dists ?
[01:58] <lourens> I used to use BitchX all the time, currently XChat
[01:58] <lolo> or it is preferable to me tu upgrade the dist ?
[01:58] <jdub> lolo: strongly discouraged to mix.
[01:59] <jdub> lolo: you should really choose one or the other.
[01:59] <lourens> bram: hmm, that may be a problem, yes
[01:59] <jdub> lolo: if you are comfortable running sid and fixing debian machines, hoary won't be too much of a shock, though it does move a bit faster.
[01:59] <lourens> I'm not sure what happens if you use two DHCP-enabled adapters at the same time
[01:59] <bram> hrm
[01:59] <lourens> at least the adapter is working properly I guess, if you have signal strength and can see the network
[02:00] <bram> I think so - yea
[02:00] <lourens> but if one connection's DHCP wants you to use one DNS server and the other another one for example, then who decides which is the one to take?
[02:00] <lourens> and who decides which gets routed where?
[02:01] <lolo> jdub: ok. But i whant USE my system, not debug it all time like in SID (that why i chosse Ubuntu)
[02:01] <bram> okay - so - how do I kill the wired connection ?
[02:01] <bram> how do I release the DHCP ?
[02:01] <jdub> lolo: great, that's what releases are for. :-) use warty.
[02:01] <bram> w/out having to unplug the cable and reboot ( ;-) )
[02:01] <vIkSiT> later people
[02:02] <lolo> jdub: hoary is must stable than sid ?
[02:02] <lourens> well, you can probably disable it in the network dialog box
[02:02] <bram> tried that before tho :-/
[02:02] <bram> disable wired, then enable the wireless
[02:03] <lourens> hmm
[02:03] <bram> but it just unchecks the checkbox itself after 5 secs
[02:03] <lemsx1> bram, what about: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[02:03] <jdub> lolo: hoary is a branch of sid.
[02:04] <jdub> lolo: and includes stuff like xorg and gnome 2.9, which are not in sid. it's definitely the development branch. :-)\
[02:04] <bram> lemsxl: better tell me EVERYTHING I need to know, 'cos right now I'm talking to you on this wired connection ;-)
[02:04] <lourens> that would be ifdown eth0 and ifup ath0 then I guess
[02:04] <bram> so, if I take it down, :D
[02:05] <lolo> jdub: ok, not for me :-p. But why there is unstallable package in warty ?
[02:05] <lemsx1> bram, if that doesn't work, you will need to: /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:05] <bram> okay - let's give it a shot :-)
[02:05] <lemsx1> bram
[02:05] <bram> see you guys in a bit
[02:05] <bram> oh
[02:05] <bram> yes?
[02:05] <lourens> well, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart should get you online again
[02:05] <lourens> ah :)
[02:05] <lemsx1> bram, and even if that doesn't work, this will: telinit 1 and then CTRL+D when asked for a password for root :-D
[02:06] <jdub> lolo: unstallable?
[02:06] <lourens> good luck bram
[02:06] <lourens> jdub: yeah, that means that they won't deadlock :)
[02:06] <lolo> jdub: Yes, i can't install PAN because there are 2 uninstallable pachages.
[02:07] <jdub> lolo: not sure. pan is not in our supported set -> there may be breakages like that in universe.
[02:07] <lourens> ah
[02:09] <giannicola> #ubuntu-it
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[02:10] <bram> okay
[02:10] <bram> it didn't work
[02:10] <bram> :)
[02:10] <lourens> hmm
[02:10] <bram> but - at least I have some actual information now
[02:10] <lourens> ah :)
[02:10] <bram> I THINK it's just trying to connect to the wrong network
[02:11] <giannicola> hi i want to change my ubuntu live language (of the menus), how can i do it?
[02:11] <bram> it's up, it works, it tries to connect - but it doesn't get an IP
[02:11] <lourens> aha
[02:12] <bram> No DHCPOFFERS received. / No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[02:12] <giannicola> hi i want to change my ubuntu live language (of the menus), how can i do it?
[02:12] <Vince-0> how do I see what my current kernel is ?
[02:12] <car1> hello,
[02:12] <car1> I am trying to install warty on a pentium 3 with only scsi CD-ROMs
[02:13] <Vince-0> waoh
[02:13] <car1> I've tried to follow the instructions in the wiki boot floppies howto, but I get an error
[02:13] <car1> I've summarised it on the forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=24705
[02:14] <lourens> giannicola: I'm trying to find out, it would be nice to be able to switch easily...
[02:14] <car1> Vince-0: current kernel: uname -a in a console
[02:14] <lourens> vince-0: type uname -a at a command prompt
[02:14] <lourens> eek!
[02:14] <lourens> been using too much Windows at work lately...."command prompt"
[02:14] <Vince-0> thnkz guyz
[02:14] <Vince-0> terminal
[02:15] <lourens> yeah, or console, or shell...
[02:15] <Vince-0> or the typer thing
[02:16] <clockorange> Im having some problems with Ubuntu Freezing sometimes.
[02:17] <Vince-0> I have : 2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic, can I just get 2.2.8.1 kernel source ?
[02:17] <Vince-0> Freezin ? never heard of that in Ubuntu
[02:17] <clockorange> Spec: Asus A7N8X-X, Barton 2500+,
[02:18] <clockorange> Well, it just totally freezez, and the only option is to plug off the power
[02:19] <Vince-0> hmmm -drivers ?
[02:19] <Vince-0> does it freez in any other OS ?
[02:19] <lourens> hmm, the only thing I can find about setting languages is that GNOME is supposed to have a Language setting in the System menu...but I don't have it
[02:19] <lourens> clockorange: what other hardware do you have?
[02:19] <clockorange> I dual-boot between win98SE & Ubuntu. Win98se runs fine
[02:19] <clockorange> lourens, just a moment...
[02:20] <lolo> I've find for my probem with PAN. I just add in my source list => warty main restricted universe multiverse
[02:21] <olimar> Hi all, can someone help me? I installed Ubuntu everything worked fine till yesterday I don't get any sound from my notebook anymore
[02:21] <lourens> olimar: what kind of notebook is it?
[02:21] <clockorange> lourens, Well, theres all these integrated komponents on the motherboard, like LAN, USB & stuff. Geforce5200,
[02:21] <olimar> Fujitsu siemens Celeron 1,5
[02:21] <olimar> etc...
[02:22] <olimar> any specific thing you want to know?
[02:22] <clockorange> lourens, maybe i should update the Nforce-drivers?
[02:22] <lourens> clockorange: hmm, have a look at /var/log/syslog.0 to see if it lists any errors
[02:23] <lourens> ahh, proprietary drivers...that's always messy
[02:23] <lourens> or are they open source?
[02:23] <clockorange> lourens, ok
[02:25] <clockorange> lourens, hmm...sorry, but no syslog.0
[02:25] <lourens> ok olimar, let's look at the obvious stuff first
[02:25] <lourens> you're sure nothing is muted?
[02:25] <scaroo> hi ppl ! it seems that a recent linux-image update has deleted my initrd file, so i m unable to boot ... quite anoying, is there a way to repair that without booting into another os and then chroot?
[02:25] <lourens> no syslog?
[02:25] <lourens> is there anything named syslog or similar in /var/log?
[02:25] <clockorange> lourens, Okay! Just found it :)
[02:25] <lourens> ah
[02:26] <clockorange> lourens, Hmmm...maybe i should post this in #flood
[02:26] <lourens> scaroo: well if it doesn't boot then I don't see another option than to boot into something else to fix it...
[02:27] <lourens> I'm there clockorange, so go ahead
[02:27] <Evil_Furby> Hi, I need a little help. I want to get my Netgear WG511T wireless card working on my laptop.
[02:27] <scaroo> lourens, of course but, dunno maybe a grub option or something
[02:27] <scaroo> so i m gonna dl a live cd
[02:28] <lourens> hmm, well maybe grub could do it
[02:28] <lourens> I don't know very much about grub really, sory
[02:28] <lourens> sorry even
[02:28] <olimar> well ok
[02:29] <olimar> so what ? search the syslog?
[02:30] <lourens> I was thinking of checking the mute buttons
[02:30] <lourens> ALSA mutes everything by default when you start up
[02:30] <olimar> Aha
[02:30] <lourens> I guess GNOME mixer would then load your previous values afterwards
[02:30] <olimar> ok
[02:30] <lourens> but if it didn't...
[02:30] <olimar> ic
[02:31] <lourens> if you try to play what happens, does it play but without sound, or does it give an error message?
[02:31] <olimar> it plays without sound
[02:31] <lourens> ah, then a volume/mute problem is likely
[02:31] <olimar> everyhting plays without sound so I think you guess is true
[02:32] <olimar> but how can I "unmute" or reload my values then?
[02:32] <lourens> well, you could right-click on the volume icon in the tray, and select Open Volume Control
[02:32] <lourens> that should give you the mixer, and you can check what is and isn't muted
[02:33] <zombics> i cant install anything from apt-get :/ every thing i am trying to install its telling me thats the packedge is broken :/
[02:33] <zombics> o... never mind fixed it
[02:33] <plasmo> O_O
[02:33] <lourens> wow zombics, that's quick :)
[02:33] <triablo> i have this big problem: after like 15 to 20 mins the x server shuts itself down without me wanting it.. :S wtf?
[02:34] <muhammad> Does checkinstall work well for Ubuntu?
[02:34] <plasmo> yep works nicely
[02:34] <lourens> triablo: maybe it got unionised? ;)
[02:34] <olimar> Great!
[02:34] <lourens> but seriously, what hardware do you have?
[02:35] <plasmo> apt-get install checkinstall ;)
[02:35] <olimar> unmuted the also Mixer and everything works!
[02:35] <olimar> Alsa imena
[02:35] <lourens> perfect!
[02:35] <olimar> mean
[02:35] <olimar> but then why didn't it unmute or reload the values?
[02:35] <triablo> lourens: huh?
[02:35] <lourens> sorry triablo, bad joke
[02:35] <olimar> and why do i have an Alsa mixer Tab and a hardware Tab with the OSS mixer on it?
[02:36] <plasmo> olimar: update to hoary and itll be gone :D
[02:36] <olimar> hoary?
[02:36] <triablo> and another problem: it might take up to 15 mins for event the lightest applications to start sometimes
[02:36] <lourens> well, probably because Linux is in a bit of a transition phase between ALSA and OSS, so current systems are both ALSA and OSS compatible
[02:36] <olimar> what's hoary ? ;)
[02:36] <lourens> so your mixer shows up twice
[02:36] <triablo> just starting gkrellm takes like 10 mins
[02:37] <lourens> hmm
[02:37] <lourens> then there is something seriously wrong...
[02:37] <triablo> you bet
[02:37] <triablo> i am thinking of reinstalling the whole shit
[02:37] <triablo> and see if it works better then
[02:38] <olimar> well...
[02:39] <olimar> lourens are sou speaking about me or triablos gkrellm?
[02:39] <lourens> triablo
[02:39] <lourens> you seem to be fine now right?
[02:39] <lourens> the question is if your settings will survive the next reboot
[02:39] <olimar> ah good #puh# I thoguht i hae  a serious problem O_o
[02:40] <olimar> ok gotta go and many thanx again lourens!
[02:40] <lourens> you're welcome
[02:40] <lourens> drat
[02:40] <lourens> too late
[02:40] <triablo> ok ill just re-install. back in 30 mins =)
[02:40] <lourens> ok
[02:40] <plasmo> goodluck ;)
[02:41] <warty> hi i can't install flash plugins
[02:41] <warty> how can i?
[02:42] <Skwid_> hey
[02:42] <warty> hi i can't install flash plugins
[02:42] <Skwid_> i need to install my ubuntu without booting on a cd, can i do it from my current win98 ? :/
[02:42] <plasmo> hello warty
[02:42] <warty> hi
[02:43] <warty> can you help me?
[02:43] <plasmo> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats/view?searchterm=flash
[02:43] <warty> can you help me?
[02:43] <viktor_> Hi, I thought I'd be able to upgrade to Hoary by in synaptic repository settings replace "warty" with "hoary". I did so, marked all upgrades, and applied it.
[02:43] <Skwid_> i saw people on mailing lists that copied the files to the hard drive, and installed distributions like debian by running a dos script
[02:44] <viktor_> But when I rebooted I had a slight problem, or well - I couldn't boot. It finds my kernel but not the initrd.img... I booted with a live cd and there is no initrd.img, except a symbolic link in /...
[02:44] <viktor_> anyone got an idea of how to fix this?
[02:44] <scaroo> viktor_, the sqme here
[02:44] <plasmo> viktor_: did you do a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:45] <viktor_> plasmo: no, is that the problem..
[02:45] <scaroo> boot using q livecd, then chroot, then "mkinitrd"
[02:45] <viktor_> ?
[02:45] <plasmo> so u just marked it in synaptic
[02:45] <Skwid_> anybody have a clue ?
[02:45] <viktor_> scaroo: ok, thanks... should I do the apt-get dist-upgrade after that?
[02:45] <plasmo> try dist-upgrade so that it upgrades to hoary
[02:46] <plasmo> remember apt-get update first
[02:46] <viktor_> plasmo: yeah, foolish isn't it? (I got so gazed away by the usability of ubuntu)
[02:46] <plasmo> lol
[02:46] <lourens> Skwid_: hmm, no no clue
[02:46] <Skwid_> ok
[02:46] <Skwid_> thx
[02:47] <lourens> the problem is that you don't have a cdrom drive in the PC?
[02:48] <Skwid_> lourens: nope, just a usb one
[02:48] <Skwid_> and can't manage to boot on it
[02:48] <Skwid_> no floppy either
[02:48] <lourens> hm, tricky...
[02:49] <Skwid_> http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[02:49] <Skwid_> found this
[02:49] <Skwid_> gonna try
[02:51] <lourens> well good luck :)
[02:51] <Skwid_> yeah ... thanks :)
[02:52] <lourens> I'm going to grab some lunch
[02:52] <lourens> almost 3 pm already here..
[03:00] <pmfp> Hi everybody, why isn't UTF-8 standard?
[03:01] <Treenaks> pmfp: because it will be in the next version.
[03:01] <Treenaks> pmfp: there wasn't enough time to fix all programs for this release
[03:01] <pmfp> Treenaks: understood
[03:01] <snerfu> hi
[03:01] <snerfu> I have a laptop and the cd drive has seen some abuse, I can boot up to the installer but when I am installing the base system it errors out, I have tried 3 different CD's. How can I get it to install base from the network?
[03:02] <snerfu> I have no floppy drive unfortunately.
[03:02] <Treenaks> snerfu: isn't there an howto on the wiki?
[03:02] <snerfu> The wiki tells of a tftp boot, but I would rather not do that
[03:03] <snerfu> Treenaks, what i was looking to do is not really covered on the network install on the wiki hehe
[03:03] <pmfp> snerfu: perhaps use Knoppix to install it?
[03:03] <snerfu> it could be somewhere else on the wiki I havent seen. I have looked pretty extensively.
[03:04] <snerfu> pmfp, ahh good idea. that boots well.
[03:04] <snerfu> Ill give it a try
[03:08] <viktor_> scaroo: which livecd did you use? i'm experiencing some problems here..
[03:14] <BenZ|iBook> night guys
[03:20] <Rene_S> so fam and gamin can't co-exist eh ?
[03:22] <Skwid_> snerfu: i have the same problem :(
[03:22] <Boeboe> question
[03:22] <Skwid_> http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
[03:23] <Boeboe> I am running the livecd right now. this damn thing wont recognise my radeon9600, wont play any mpg or avi files, is slow as hell and wont let me write to ntfs partitions
[03:24] <Boeboe> why the hell would someone want to switch to this....thing
[03:25] <Boeboe> oh, and I havent mentioned the annoying 60Hz that is burning out my eyes right now
[03:25] <CraHan> strange
[03:25] <scaroo> Boeboe, i cannot speak about the livecd, but the installed system is really usable and attractive, and easily administred
[03:25] <CraHan> nautilus doesn't show the 'create archive', 'add to music library' and 'share' options when I right click on a folder
[03:26] <CraHan> I could have sworn that I used to have those
[03:26] <scaroo> CraHan, i think that nautilus 2.9.1 has introduced q change in the plugin api
[03:27] <CraHan> aha
[03:27] <CraHan> that might explain it
[03:27] <Boeboe> scaruu, this is how they hope to convince a windows user like me? Im no idiot, I like to keep my computer usable without having to worry about weither it -might- work or not
[03:27] <Boeboe> so, this livecd isnt exactly good advertisment :p
[03:28] <CraHan> Boeboe: I don't see any windows live cd's floating around, so I'd say the linux live cd is an added bonus :)
[03:29] <CraHan> besides, it might save your behind if windows ever comes into a non bootable state
[03:29] <CraHan> ;)
[03:29] <Boeboe> you dont? I use them all the time at work, for troubleshooting
[03:29] <Elwood> i know about windows live cd..,but nothig special
[03:29] <Boeboe> okay, that livecd wasnt made by microsoft, but it exists
[03:29] <Boeboe> and its REALLY convenient
[03:29] <CraHan> I'll have to investigate that
[03:30] <Elwood> CraHan, sure..you can easily found the script for make your own
[03:30] <pmfp> What does it matter if others make bad live cds? if you, Ubuntu, makes a live cd, it is there to be useful
[03:31] <blight> Hi all, I'm running 4.10 on P3-800 256MB RAM and it's quite slow, any hints on speeding it up?
[03:31] <CraHan> question is of course, with my linux bootcd I can access all my windows ^partitions and do a lot of stuff.  I'm in doubt if the windows boot cd will let me access my linux partitions :)
[03:31] <Elwood> blight, sure
[03:31] <pmfp> (with that said, I haven't tried it, but I believe Boeboe made a good point)
[03:31] <Elwood> CraHan, lol
[03:32] <Elwood> blight,  remove all unuseful packs :)
[03:32] <CraHan> blight: I'm using it on the same hardware and it's rather speedy here, of course it depends on ones own experience
[03:32] <CraHan> blight: you could go over the installed packages and see if there's anything you can uninstall
[03:32] <Boeboe> difference: I dont see any system diagnostic tools on the ubuntu liveCD, while I can troubleshoot almost everything with my windows livecd :p
[03:32] <blight> Elwood, it's a VAIO notebook, reason I'm asking is that Fedora Core 2 seemed alot more responsive
[03:32] <CraHan> Boeboe: I personally use Knoppix as a live cd
[03:33] <Boeboe> I use ubuntu liveCD to evaluate if it is a good idea to switch away from my windows desktop
[03:33] <CraHan> ah ic
[03:33] <Boeboe> so far it didnt impress me at all, horrible display support and that totem video player doesnt seem to work
[03:34] <blight> My load ave is sitting at 2 and besides X, gnome and xchat there is not much running that I can see
[03:34] <Boeboe> cant display flash animations. wont let me write to ntfs either
[03:34] <CraHan> Boeboe: I have no problem with those things on my Ubuntu install
[03:34] <CraHan> of course I can't comment on the livecd
[03:35] <CraHan> but I'd understand if a lot of stuff isn't on there because of space restrictions
[03:35] <Boeboe> Im looking at 60 hertz on a crt monitor
[03:35] <Boeboe> no way to change it
[03:35] <Elwood> blight, i removed gnome and i use fluxbox
[03:35] <Boeboe> my videocard, one of the most generic ones these days isnt recognised
[03:35] <CraHan> if I go to screen resolution in my gnome system preferences I can set the refresh rate
[03:36] <CraHan> Boeboe: what videocard is that?
[03:36] <Boeboe> it doesnt recognise a radeon9600, do you have any idea how mamy people use that?
[03:36] <Boeboe> crahan, if I try that, ubuntu wants to reboot
[03:37] <CraHan> Boeboe: I have a cyberbladeXP myself
[03:37] <CraHan> no 3D support either
[03:37] <Boeboe> in windows, you can do that on the fly
[03:37] <CraHan> and you know why that is?
[03:37] <maskie> Boeboe, i running livecd and i can change refresh and resolution .... might be something to do with your videocard
[03:37] <CraHan> because the manufacturer trident refuses to release the specs for it
[03:37] <Boeboe> I checked, there are linuxdrivers for my videocard
[03:37] <pmfp> Boeboe: you can download drivers for your graphics card from ATIs site
[03:37] <Boeboe> Ive even seen mandrake use them
[03:38] <Boeboe> but it wants me to compile and stuff
[03:38] <Boeboe> and since Im an everyday user
[03:38] <pmfp> Boeboe: I'd guess that Ubuntu refuses to package them for licensing reasons
[03:38] <CraHan> if you install ubuntu you can install a set of nonfree modules
[03:38] <Boeboe> I expect ubuntu to do that for me
[03:38] <CraHan> which include nvidia drivers and a lot of other stuff
[03:39] <CraHan> but as I understand it support for ATI cards is below average on linux as a whole
[03:39] <CraHan> and we have ATI to thank for that
[03:39] <maskie> there is a lot of restricted stuff like java, drivers, flash, codecs that are not allowed to be distributed due to licence issues
[03:40] <CraHan> not the people responsible for ubuntu
[03:41] <CraHan> as long as companies refuse to release specs for their hardware, there's going to be problems
[03:41] <pmfp> CraHan: it's the people responsible for Ubuntu who will not include the drivers because of the license they have chosen and the restrictions they have imposed, not someone else
[03:41] <CraHan> pmfp: ATI support on all linux distro's is not up to par
[03:41] <CraHan> nvidia is fine
[03:42] <Boeboe> so
[03:42] <Boeboe> lets put it this way
[03:42] <CraHan> in any case, I have flash working, java, play divx, mpg and wmv movies
[03:42] <pmfp> CraHan: and is nVidia's drivers includes?
[03:42] <CraHan> so I can't say it's not working here :)
[03:42] <Boeboe> if I install ubuntu on my HD, can you ensure me there will be an easy way for me to get radeon 3D support on my pc?
[03:42] <CraHan> pmfp: you can use the default nv driver or install the non free nvidia one easily
[03:42] <pmfp> CraHan I believe you, I've had that running on Linux without problems
[03:43] <pmfp> CraHan: still no out-of-the-box 3d support, still not optimal 2d performance - sort of like ATI
[03:43] <CraHan> true
[03:43] <CraHan> and no Boeboe I can't guarantee that because I haven't been able to setup a linux machine with that card personally :)
[03:44] <CraHan> I'll never say something I couldn't try myself first
[03:44] <CraHan> brb
[03:44] <Boeboe> one of the most popular brands of videocards and they dont even know if it will work...
[03:45] <Boeboe> wow
[03:45] <Boeboe> synaptic gives a bunch of errors
[03:45] <pmfp> Boeboe: besides not including a non-free driver, which I think they should work out a way to, it actually is not their fault that there is no Open Source version of the driver available, because ATI does not provide the source, due NDAs and such
[03:45] <Sorcy> Boeboe, blame ati
[03:46] <CraHan> k
[03:46] <Boeboe> ok
[03:46] <CraHan> Boeboe: I'm not an ubuntu dev, I just *use* it
[03:46] <Boeboe> so ati users shouldnt install linux since there is no easy way to get it working, I get it
[03:46] <CraHan> and I don't speak for everyone when I say something in here
[03:46] <CraHan> I never said it's not possible or not easy
[03:47] <CraHan> I'm just saying that I don't know if it's easy or feasible because I don't have the first hand experience
[03:47] <pmfp> Boeboe: it depends on your ability, whether or not it's easy. I never had a problem with the nVidia non-free ones, but I've never tried ATI's since I don't have any of their cards
[03:47] <CraHan> if you'd ask me how the support is on a Toshiba Satellite pro 4600 or a G3 Ibook I'd be able to give you a perfect roundup
[03:48] <CraHan> I don't think is very smart to generalize the statements of one individual to the whole of the linux community
[03:49] <CraHan> just because I haven't had the chance to try it doesn't make it impossible :)
[03:49] <pmfp> Boeboe: perhaps you should stay with Windows for the time being, or you could try some Linux distro. If you want to start easy, perhaps SuSE or Mandrake would be a better choice. Or you can always let it mature and come back in half a year or so.
[03:49] <CraHan> heck, even if I tried it it might be related to my abilities :)
[03:49] <CraHan> pmfp: well said
[03:49] <Boeboe> well
[03:49] <CraHan> I always say that you should use what fits your needs best
[03:49] <CraHan> in my case, that' slinux
[03:49] <CraHan> ^ personal statement :)
[03:50] <Boeboe> I tried ubuntu just because they said it was easy :p
[03:50] <CraHan> the livecd, not the actual install on a HD
[03:50] <maskie> or have a dualboot between windows and linux ... then you can always go back to windows if things do not work out
[03:50] <CraHan> if you have a spare HD I'd suggest you try to install it
[03:50] <CraHan> might get you further
[03:50] <Cody_> Hello
[03:50] <Cody_> I'm having a problem with the Ubuntu installer
[03:50] <CraHan> brb
[03:51] <Boeboe> anyway
[03:51] <Boeboe> back to windows for now, screen is killing my eyes
[03:51] <Cody_> Ubuntu install almost complete, went to "Finish Configuring" said it was done, it said I could login.... but the next step was "Open a shell" so I did that and it said "linux not found" gave me a shell, and when I restart I get the whole installer again
[03:52] <pmfp> Is there an ETA for the next release of Ubuntu?
[03:52] <maskie> pmfp, April 2005
[03:52] <Cody_> also, how does one pronounce ubuntu?
[03:52] <pmfp> maskie: oh
[03:52] <pmfp> Well, I'm off for some studies
[03:52] <pmfp> later
[03:53] <pmfp> (will try out Ubuntu on my new laptop 'round christmas)
[03:53] <frytus> ;] 
[03:53] <Cody_> any ideas for my install issues?
[03:53] <maskie> Cody_, no idea
[03:54] <Cody_> what's the installer supposed to do once you do the second-to-last step of configuring?
[03:54] <Cody_> mine just says it's done you can login, and when I hit OK it goes back to the list of install steps!
[04:12] <NetwrkMonkey> does ubuntu have the madwifi drivers in the base install?
[04:14] <cody_> I have a problem.
[04:15] <cody_> I didn't set a root password in install (it didn't ask me to, I dont' think) and doing sudo passwd root as the website suggests just asks me for my root password
[04:17] <Kamion> cody_: no, it's asking for *your* password
[04:18] <Kamion> cody_: you don't need to set a root password if you don't want to; you can just leave it unset and use sudo to gain root privileges
[04:18] <cody_> oh
[04:20] <sivang> hi all
[04:21] <sivang> I did an upgrade lately, and I cannot log into my system anymore, before that I tried su and sudo and got an error "couldn't find authentication service" - anyone idea?
[04:22] <Vince-0> nought bra
[04:26] <sparehead1> hello people, I broke it again ^_^
[04:26] <palle> hi how do i activate smb-support?
[04:26] <Vince-0> ehhe
[04:27] <Vince-0> smb ? - should be running automatically
[04:27] <palle> it tells me it doesn't
[04:27] <Vince-0> cant browse windows machines ?
[04:27] <palle> im trying to change something and it says activate smb-support
[04:27] <palle> no i wan't to browse my sisters machine...
[04:28] <Vince-0> is it Linux ?
[04:28] <palle> and i would also like to share my internet connection with her
[04:28] <Vince-0> heh
[04:28] <palle> no she have windoze
[04:28] <Vince-0> kk
[04:28] <sparehead1> ahhh, new kernel, nvidia module isn't loading at boot up but Xfree refers to it
[04:28] <Vince-0> Use internet connection sharing on the Win machine
[04:28] <palle> is that easier then?
[04:28] <sparehead1> sorry, talking to myself, dont mind me
[04:29] <Vince-0> palle : enable the services u want to share in the properties of the connection
[04:29] <Vince-0> palle: advanced tab i think
[04:29] <Vince-0> palle : enable (http, https) and whatever u need
[04:29] <Vince-0> the ICS machine must have an IP of 192.168.0.1
[04:29] <Vince-0> kk , done ?
[04:30] <palle> vince-0 i can't find where to change it
[04:30] <Vince-0> My network places, on the left panel go to 'View my connections"
[04:30] <palle> vince-0 k i have changed ip now
[04:31] <Vince-0> is it WinXP ?
[04:31] <Matt|> tseng, is it possible to remove evolution cleanly and continue using gnome?
[04:31] <palle> no this is linux
[04:31] <palle> my sister has winxp though
[04:31] <Vince-0> palle : the server machine is XP
[04:31] <Vince-0> ?
[04:31] <Matt|> thanks
[04:31] <Matt|> tseng, is it possible to remove evolution cleanly and continue using gnome?
[04:32] <palle> so i should use the XP-machine to share internet with?
[04:32] <tseng> Matt|: hrm, the panel is built against it now i believe (in hoary)
[04:32] <Vince-0> palle : the XP machine has the modem ? then share the connection ...
[04:32] <palle> vince-0 the server now is my linux machine
[04:32] <Vince-0> oh ok
[04:32] <Matt|> tseng, that's what i mean with the "outlook express" thing
[04:32] <palle> vince-0 no i have internet on linux machine
[04:32] <Vince-0> ok ok
[04:33] <Vince-0> thats different
[04:33] <palle> vince-0 ok
[04:33] <Vince-0> and a mission
[04:33] <Vince-0> lemme see...
[04:33] <palle> k
[04:33] <tseng> Matt|: well, the backend and what you are thinking of as "Evolution" (the client) will become more seperate i believe
[04:33] <tseng> Matt|: the panel is built against evolution-data-server
[04:33] <Matt|> is it
[04:34] <Matt|> do "apt-cache rdepends evolution-data-server"
[04:34] <palle> i guess i would have to activate SMB first?
[04:34] <Vince-0> palle : smb is for file sharing I think .
[04:34] <palle> okay...
[04:35] <usual> palle are you trying to share net access with multiple pc's?
[04:35] <Vince-0> palle : but the syntax is : service smb start
[04:35] <palle> usual no only with 1 comp that uses WinXP
[04:35] <Matt|> tseng, do "apt-cache rdepends evolution-data-server"
[04:35] <tseng> Matt|: i did
[04:35] <Vince-0> palle : it would be far easier to have the modem in the XP machine and share it from there...
[04:35] <palle> vince-0 okay thnx
[04:35] <tseng> Matt|: anyway
[04:35] <Matt|> tseng, looks clean?
[04:35] <tseng> it does, besides
[04:35] <tseng>      - build again with evolution-data-server.
[04:35] <tseng> from the gnome-panel changelog
[04:35] <Matt|> tseng, compare with apt-cache rdepends evolution
[04:36] <Matt|> oh
[04:36] <Matt|> so gnome doesn't run without evolution-data-server
[04:36] <palle> vince-0 okay can you tell me how to do if i change modem to the Xp-Machine then?
[04:36] <tseng> oh, there you have it
[04:36] <tseng> e-d-s dep on evolution
[04:36] <tseng> i wouldnt touch anything in that case.
[04:37] <Vince-0> palle : I am using ICS off an XP pc now - I am on me Ubuntu box... Its easy
[04:37] <Matt|> tseng, yeah
[04:37] <palle> vince-0 okay
[04:37] <sparehead1> anyone here running 2.6.8.1-3-686 kernel with the nvidia module? I just installed it but it wont take the nvidia module, says it cant find it. I had it running on the 386 version of the kernel. I'm thinking there in lies my problem. SHould I uninstall the nvidia packages and install while running the 686 kernel?
[04:37] <Matt|> tseng, so even if someone wants to use a different email client, they have to have evolution?
[04:37] <palle> vince-0 are there any howto's or something?
[04:37] <tseng> Matt|: seems that way atm
[04:37] <Matt|> sparehead1, did you install the restricted-modules
[04:38] <Vince-0> palle - I dunno - I just know how to do it- I will tell u when U install the modem
[04:38] <palle> vince-0 or if you can tell me, i'd have to write it down though
[04:38] <Matt|> tseng, it's gonna be that way forever right?
[04:38] <Matt|> :(
[04:38] <tseng> well, id hope that e-d-s and evolution will be seperate entities someday
[04:38] <Vince-0> palle : install the modem first and make the connection , but dont connect as of yet
[04:38] <Matt|> tseng, what does eds do?
[04:38] <tseng> it stores contacts, calenders, etc
[04:38] <palle> install it on the windoze machine and then come back?
[04:38] <tseng> its the backend database to evolution.
[04:39] <Matt|> tseng, so it is likely that it will become separate to evo?
[04:39] <Vince-0> palle : yar - do that then come back here....
[04:39] <tseng> so for example, an IM client could use the same contact list as evo
[04:39] <tseng> is where this is going
[04:39] <sparehead1> umm, not explicityl. I've got multiverse in my source. And I did have the nvidia module running on the 386 kernel (followed the instruction from the unofficial guide, exept i didn't put the debian sources in my list)
[04:39] <Matt|> tseng, sounds like outlook express to me
[04:39] <tseng> Matt|: sounds smart to me.
[04:39] <palle> vince-0 ikay
[04:39] <palle> okay*
[04:39] <Matt|> sparehead1, you need linux-restricted-modules for the 686 kernel i believe
[04:39] <tseng> the problem with outlook isnt a bad concept
[04:39] <Vince-0> palle: kk
[04:39] <tseng> its a bad implementation
[04:40] <Matt|> guess so
[04:40] <sparehead1> ok, I'll have a lookie, thanks matt|
[04:40] <tseng> with an open source implementation, anyone can freely access the database
[04:40] <Matt|> still the idea that processes are running which integrate my email with my IM is a scary one
[04:40] <Matt|> i'll rephrase
[04:41] <plusch> Hi. I'm just building a local Ubuntu-mirror for Warty and according Security and was wondering if the security-Upgrade-packages (naming-scheme '*ubuntu*deb') really also reside in the normal pool-directory-tree of Warty? (With Debian Woody, it's necessary to both mirror Woody and Security, but for Ubuntu, will it be enough to mirror a Warty-server only, and the Security-Upgrades are included automatically?)
[04:41] <cardador> hello. anyone knows how can i connect to the internet with an ADSL USB icedata 500?
[04:41] <Matt|> it's scary if I don't have a choice about it
[04:41] <Matt|> cardador, usb modem... mmmmm...
[04:41] <tseng> Matt|: you have a choice not to use it at all
[04:41] <Matt|> tseng, how is that done?
[04:41] <tseng> dont use it
[04:41] <Matt|> tseng, don't use gnome?
[04:42] <tseng> you can use gnome and never start evolution
[04:42] <Matt|> so eds only starts when evolution starts?
[04:42] <tseng> Matt|: its in my session but.. if you arent using apps that access it
[04:42] <tseng> who cares
[04:42] <tseng> pretend you dont see it if it bothers you, i guess
[04:42] <Matt|> tseng, maybe - does it take up memory?
[04:43] <Karakth> Can I customize the ubuntu liveCD as far as the default gnome background and stuff goes?
[04:43] <tseng> 1.3% of 512mb
[04:43] <Matt|> tseng, k
[04:44] <tseng> i hope e-d-s doesnt always dep on the client, however
[04:44] <Matt|> tseng, how do you find out how much memory it is taking up?
[04:44] <Vince-0> Karakth : dunno about that, thing is you have to save the settings somehow so they get used again... I dont use live CD
[04:44] <tseng> ps aux | grep evolution
[04:44] <tseng> 4th column
[04:46] <Karakth> Vince-0: Well ideally I'd take the liveCD iso, change some stuff, and burn it.
[04:47] <Matt|> tseng, ok well alarm_notify and exchange_component are taking up more
[04:47] <Vince-0> Karakth : You specifically want a LiveCD ? I use DamnSmallLinux and it worked like a bomb !
[04:47] <Vince-0> 49Meg
[04:47] <tseng> Matt|: you might check out #evolution on gimpnet
[04:48] <Matt|> what does the calender_alarm_notify one do?
[04:48] <tseng> you can set alarms in evolution
[04:48] <Karakth> Vince-0: Well, I want to give liveCDs as a christmas present. So I'd want to change some of the splashscreens, background pics, etc, to make the chritmassy and give them a personal touch.
[04:49] <tseng> that pops up a dialog when an alarm goes off
[04:49] <tseng> for a meeting or whatnot
[04:49] <Matt|> tseng, does the dialogue come up even if the client is not open?
[04:49] <tseng> ya, thats why its a daemon
[04:49] <tseng> it runs seperately.
[04:49] <Vince-0> Karakth: good I idea! but I dunno about the configuring thing, isnt there a Chan for LiveCD ?
[04:49] <Karakth> Vince-0: This is for windows-users, so it has to be easy-to-use and stuff.
[04:49] <Matt|> tseng, ok that's pretty clever
[04:49] <tseng> Matt|: another neat thing is
[04:49] <tseng> Matt|: if you have stuff in your evo calender, it shows up in the minicalender on the panel
[04:50] <tseng> Matt|: when you click the clock
[04:50] <Matt|> tseng, yeah ok i think that is worth 4% of my ram, even if i don't use it atm
[04:52] <Matt|> tseng, ok thanks for all the help :)
[04:52] <tseng> nps
[04:52] <sparehead1> i think thats got it Matt|, YOU ROCK!!
[04:52] <Matt|> sparehead1, good
[04:53] <Matt|> tseng, how come you are in #devel but not in here?
[04:53] <tseng> this channel is mighty busy sometimes
[04:53] <tseng> and not very useful to me
[04:53] <tseng> i like to help people sometimes, but it gets old.
[04:53] <Matt|> *laughs*
[04:53] <Matt|> fair enough
[04:54] <Treenaks> wb
[04:54] <Matt|> tseng, are you working on ubuntu?
[04:54] <tseng> not directly, no.
[04:54] <tseng> i help where i can
[04:54] <Matt|> :)
[04:55] <Matt|> this is a nice community i think
[04:56] <Gwildor> morning all
[04:57] <GotD0t> mornin
[04:58] <CraHan> tseng: well your repository is a great help :)
[04:58] <CraHan> does anyone else have a problem in hoary that there's no more 'add music to library' and 'add to archive' options in the context menus for folders in nautilus?
[04:59] <Gwildor> yeah,  i have that problem
[04:59] <dimgr> is ubuntu debian unstable?
[04:59] <Gwildor> ubuntu is ubuntu
[04:59] <tseng> dimgr: ubuntu is derived from debian unstable
[04:59] <CraHan> Gwildor: great to hear, that way I know it's not me :)
[04:59] <Gwildor> crahan, if you want to call it great, i miss that function
[04:59] <tseng> dimgr: with modifications of many packages, and a few packages that havent hit sid yet
[04:59] <RubenV> CraHan: that's because there's almost no bonobo left in nautilus
[05:00] <RubenV> those two were bonobo thingies
[05:00] <Gwildor> bonobo is gone from the room too :(
[05:00] <CraHan> RubenV: yeah but there's also no 'share this folder' either
[05:00] <RubenV> thank god!
[05:00] <CraHan> which is something that was added in the newest gnome-system-tools
[05:00] <dimgr> i think i'll give it a try ...but i hate gnome:P
[05:01] <RubenV> dimgr: why?
[05:01] <Gwildor> RubenV, why did they remove that feature?
[05:01] <dimgr> i have been using fluxbox
[05:01] <CraHan> Gwildor: yeah I like that feature too to be honest
[05:01] <Gwildor> dimgr, fluxbox is apt-getable
[05:01] <dimgr> yes i know
[05:01] <dimgr> welll
[05:01] <RubenV> Gwildor: don't know the exact reasons why bonobo was deprecated
[05:01] <dimgr> i think ill install ubuntu to see how it is different than other distros
[05:02] <RubenV> but you should be able to find it on gnome-desktop-devel
[05:02] <GreenBox> how do i get root access?
[05:02] <Gwildor> RubenV, CraHan, is the feature gonna come back?
[05:02] <RubenV> GreenBox: not
[05:02] <GreenBox> sudo -?
[05:02] <RubenV> use sudo
[05:02] <CraHan> i personally like ubuntu because of its use of dbus and hal
[05:02] <Gwildor> GreenBox, with sudo
[05:02] <tseng> GreenBox: sudo command, or sudo -s for a shell
[05:02] <CraHan> whatever USB device I throw at it, it works :)
[05:02] <GreenBox> ok
[05:02] <RubenV> CraHan: idd :)
[05:02] <CraHan> external DVD burner, bluetooth dongle, flash card
[05:02] <tseng> GreenBox: its better to not take a full shell if you can get used to it
[05:02] <Karakth> I'm thinking of introducing some people to linux...Is ubuntu suitable?
[05:02] <CraHan> all work out of the box
[05:02] <dimgr> the only thing i dont know if i will like is the sudo thing all the time instead of su - pass
[05:02] <GreenBox> but why can't i just su - ?
[05:02] <RubenV> Karakth: yes
[05:02] <RubenV> highly
[05:02] <CraHan> I've grown used to the sudo thing myself
[05:02] <RubenV> GreenBox: don't use root
[05:03] <RubenV> sudo
[05:03] <CraHan> I tend to use sudo on the debian machine too as of late
[05:03] <GreenBox> omg
[05:03] <RubenV> as little as possible
[05:03] <Gwildor> GreenBox, you can if you enable it, but its best not to
[05:03] <Karakth> Ok
[05:03] <CraHan> I like the no root approach
[05:03] <Karakth> Thanks
[05:04] <GreenBox> im using root do to things that require root permission. i don't wan anyone to access my root account, so i sudo -s and change password, and then use su -.
[05:04] <tseng> ...
[05:04] <tseng> you just defeated the purpose
[05:04] <dimgr> what if i create another user and give it a pass then su - pass - root will work right?
[05:05] <Gwildor> GreenBox, this that require root....do this I.E. sudo apt-get update              sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:05] <Matt|> CraHan, *grins* i keep trying use sudo on my other machine nowadays
[05:05] <Vince-0> jeez
[05:05] <Matt|> dimgr, you need a root account if you want to use su. but it's not necessary
[05:05] <Vince-0> How do I restart my eth0 ?
[05:06] <Matt|> Vince-0, /etc/init.d/network restart should do the trick
[05:06] <Vince-0> shot Matt
[05:06] <GreenBox> i dont like sudo, that's all
[05:06] <edulix> /etc/init.d/networking I guess :P
[05:06] <GreenBox> don't *
[05:06] <Matt|> sorry networking
[05:06] <Matt|> GreenBox, you can enable the root account
[05:06] <Matt|> GreenBox, check the faq
[05:06] <GreenBox> ....
[05:06] <GreenBox> brb
[05:06] <Chand> hi
[05:07] <Chand> i cant see openoffice 1.1.3 packages on main
[05:07] <edulix> Matt|: I've already had that confusion several times- in suse it's also "network".. :P
[05:07] <Matt|> edulix, *grins*
[05:07] <GreenBox> with sudo i don't need to write password each time, right?
[05:08] <Matt|> GreenBox, no it remembers it for a short time
[05:08] <Chand> but there is an announce for openoffice 1.1.3 on hoary-changes
[05:08] <Vince-0> Matt| : woah dood , isnt there like a service restart or summing ? - that file is too deep for my current knowledge
[05:08] <GreenBox> well that fucks it. then everyone with access to my computer while im loges on can also access root
[05:09] <Vince-0> issues there GreenBox
[05:09] <Gwildor> GreenBox, only if they know your user pass
[05:09] <Matt|> Vince-0, sorry: type this: "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[05:09] <Vince-0> kk
[05:09] <Matt|> GreenBox, no only the administrator
[05:10] <NetwrkMonkey> how do i find out which language packs are installed?
[05:15] <GreenBox> Gwildor: i meant WHILE I (my user account) is LOGGED ON
[05:16] <NetwrkMonkey> How do I update firefox to 1.0?
[05:16] <NetwrkMonkey> i saw the wiki page but it didn't say anything
[05:16] <Treenaks> NetwrkMonkey: there's no such thing as 'language packs', but you can select languages using "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[05:16] <Treenaks> NetwrkMonkey: you don't need to upgrade if you want to keep running warty
[05:19] <triablo> ok i just found out the only problem that made me format my computer, is still there.
[05:19] <Gwildor> GreenBox, yeah, but the USER will have to sudo before evry command they need root for, and if they dont know your user pass, they cant get root
[05:19] <GreenBox> ...
[05:19] <GreenBox> ok
[05:19] <GreenBox> like that
[05:20] <GreenBox> this makes my user pass just as importent as the root pass
[05:20] <Gwildor> GreenBox, sudo doesnt remember your pass for long, if you sudo apt-get update (enter your pass), then sudo apt-get upgrade (it will have your pass already), it doesnt REMEMBER much longer than that
[05:21] <Debbie> Hi all, just wondering if anyone that helped me last week is still in here?
[05:21] <triablo> GreenBox: i assume that you don't usually give any of these passwords away to anyone?
[05:22] <GreenBox> uhm
[05:23] <eruin> anyone else having trouble with their camera on last hoary update?
[05:23] <eruin> when I connect it I get "images on this device - import?" but gthumb doesnt recognize it
[05:23] <Anti_> Hi
[05:24] <apoka> ubuntu-es :(
[05:29] <triablo> i miss the "amp" and the "play" utulities in apt
[05:32] <gorecky> hi to evreybody!
[05:32] <Zugwrack> Greetings back to you...
[05:32] <triablo> hi
[05:32] <gorecky> im in here for the first time, preparing to get ubuntu installed on my system..
[05:33] <Zugwrack> Hey everyone..what was the name of the file that rhytmbox needs to stream mp3 and listen to it? libmad something?
[05:33] <gorecky> therefore, i still got some questions before i can go about it..
[05:33] <Zugwrack> gorecky: Awesome... PC version or PPC(mac)?
[05:33] <gorecky> yeah, awesome.. ;)
[05:33] <gorecky> pc
[05:33] <Zugwrack> Ask away..
[05:34] <gorecky> so, do i need to erase existing windows-partitions (ntfs) or can i leave them and just add new ones for the new ubuntu-system?
[05:35] <Zugwrack> gorecky: Depends...do you want to still dual boot into windows?
[05:35] <gorecky> yeah, i need some win-apps for my work
[05:35] <gorecky> dual-boot with winxp is what i wanna get
[05:35] <Zugwrack> gorecky: So do you have partition magic or something that will allow you to open up some free space on the hard drive?
[05:36] <gorecky> dont think i got partition magic yet, but i'll get it if needed
[05:36] <Zugwrack> In WinXp I think you can right click on the My computer icon select manage and then adjust your hard drive size that way
[05:37] <gorecky> i'll clear up enough space, that will work, but do i have to care about the partition before installation?
[05:37] <Zugwrack> Sorry select disk management...then try resizing the free space on your drive...
[05:37] <zombics> how can i make that modprobe nvidia will work at boot?
[05:37] <Zugwrack> No...Ubuntu will ask you which partitions to use...
[05:37] <gorecky> and it will add a new one or more by itself?
[05:38] <gorecky> but i guess so..
[05:38] <Vince-0> If u guyz see " palle " choon him I will be back later ... thnkz
[05:38] <Zugwrack> gorecky: If you have one drive the hard drive name should be /dev/hda...then /dev/hda1 would be the windows partition...Ubuntu will slice up the free space and make /dev/hda2, 3 or whatever it needs
[05:39] <Zugwrack> zombics: Once you run modprobe, assuming you have no errors it should load on the next boot
[05:39] <gorecky> i got two hdds, is it wise to use one for linux, leave the other for windows?
[05:40] <Zugwrack> gorecky: If you can spare the second drive just use all of it..that is what I did on my mac...I have a 20 gig just for Ubunut
[05:40] <Zugwrack> *Ubuntu
[05:40] <Zugwrack> Tell it to erase all of drive /hdb
[05:41] <gorecky> aha, but then i'd have to set the start device in my boot menu?
[05:41] <Zugwrack> gorecky: Ubuntu will check to see if there are other Operating systems and add them as a choice to choose at boot
[05:41] <gorecky> cool
[05:41] <Zugwrack> gorecky: No need for all of that...
[05:42] <Zugwrack> gorecky: If you just use the second drive just sit back and relax...are you using a router?
[05:42] <gorecky> ah, yeah
[05:42] <zombics> Zugwrack, i have no errors but it still dont run at the boot
[05:42] <NetwrkMonkey> anyohne else experiencing crashes when trying to configure the weather applet?
[05:43] <Zugwrack> Ok is it setup to use DHCP?
[05:43] <Zugwrack> Or as a DHCP server I should say?
[05:43] <gorecky> yes
[05:43] <gorecky> but what is that concerning?
[05:43] <Zugwrack> Ok then during install it will assign an ip and update(answer yes when asked)
[05:44] <gorecky> ok, i read about that
[05:44] <Zugwrack> zombics: What do you mean exactly? Once you modprobe a module, it automatically loads that module during boot...no need to re-run modprobe again
[05:45] <Zugwrack> gorecky: Do you have a second box that you can be on IRC with during install?
[05:45] <gorecky> zugwrack: no, thats somehow my concern, if anything happens..
[05:46] <gorecky> zugwrack: but as a conclusion, what if i'll erase my existing partition and go about setting up both systems new?
[05:46] <Zugwrack> gorecky: I haven't installed the PC version of Ubuntu...but as far as Mac is concerned it is the best installer I have ever seen..so you shouldn't have any issue
[05:46] <Zugwrack> gorecky: I am not sure what you mean?
[05:47] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, erase everything..start from scratch
[05:47] <wasabi__> Having some problems with ssh-agent.
[05:47] <Zugwrack> You mean on hard drive 1?
[05:47] <wasabi__> Namely, it's not doing what I think it's suppose to do: cache key passwords.
[05:47] <gorecky> yeah
[05:47] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: I have already stated that to gorecky ;-)
[05:47] <gorecky> erase win-partition, theres too much crap on
[05:47] <Zugwrack> Well that is an option...
[05:48] <gorecky> yeah, sort of better feeling too, not to add, but to start with it new
[05:48] <Zugwrack> gorecky: If it was me...and you need to clean up your windows drive...I would wipe it...reinstall windows since you need it..then still use your second drive dedicated to Linux...I think most would agree with that statement
[05:49] <djk_> It seems Ubunutu doesn't have freetype's bytecode interpreter compiled in. Is this true?
[05:49] <gorecky> ok, my first intention was to use the second drive only for data, but i guess this is the more secure way..
[05:50] <triablo> why the hell isnt mPlayer included?
[05:50] <Oly> hi, got a new ubuntu install, but need help getting wifi working
[05:50] <NetwrkMonkey> oh i figured out my gweather issue, reinstaled the gnome applets
[05:50] <gorecky> zugwrack: on the other side, i'd have to save my 16 gigs on second drive to cd, that's quite a disadvantage..
[05:50] <Oly> i have a belkin pcmicia card
[05:50] <Zugwrack> gorecky: Be advised that you can read from ntfs filesystem, but you have to compile in the kernel write capability..this may have changed I am not positive
[05:50] <Oly> and found the atmel drivers
[05:51] <Oly> but its going on about making the drivers and all i get are errors
[05:51] <Oly> its not even saying what they are only that there was 2
[05:51] <gorecky> but if linux got its own partition, that would be no topic
[05:51] <Zugwrack> gorecky: What about copying the 16 gigs to your first hard drive under windows...leave it alone ...then you can use drive 2 for linux
[05:51] <gorecky> hm... ;)
[05:52] <gorecky> i guess thats what ill do
[05:52] <Zugwrack> gorecky: It is all about choice...whatever will work for you...we could probably come up collectively with 25 variations on how to install linux...it is all up to you and what you need to do with your system ;-)
[05:53] <gorecky> zugwrack: yeah i know, but theres nothing special need..
[05:53] <Zugwrack> gorecky: No..just do it dude...
[05:54] <Zugwrack> At the very worst all you have to do is reinstall everything...and lets not get into the backup thing...everyone should always back up data...irregardless of OS
[05:54] <gorecky> i just wanna use mainly linux, win for any cases..
[05:54] <the_stick> Hi
[05:54] <the_stick> I downloaded amsn , but I can't install :(
[05:54] <Zugwrack> Hi the_stick:
[05:54] <gorecky> and using two diffrent hdds is more secure?
[05:54] <the_stick> it asks for 'dependencies'
[05:54] <Zugwrack> gorecky: I suppose...
[05:55] <the_stick> so , what do I do ?
[05:55] <gorecky> allright..
[05:55] <the_stick> Matt| = very helpful dude
[05:55] <triablo> the_stick: "apt-get install amsn" and you get a precompiled package
[05:56] <the_stick> ah
[05:56] <Zugwrack> the_stick: Is this something you are needing to compile?
[05:56] <Zugwrack> thanks triablo
[05:56] <the_stick> it's a .deb file
[05:57] <gorecky> and to my second question, as i checked out knoppix, suse and debian (last two on different pcs)  i decided to go for the kde-desktop -> how easy/difficult is to pick that instead of gnome?
[05:57] <Zugwrack> dkpkg would be the program used to instal locall files...but
[05:57] <the_stick> yeah I tried that , but it fails because dependencies are not found
[05:57] <Zugwrack> gorecky: Ubuntu uses gnome default...so there is a wiki page on how to install kde
[05:57] <the_stick> gorecky, KDE is like windows
[05:57] <the_stick> more like windows*
[05:58] <gorecky> well, you could compare its look also to osX..
[05:58] <Zugwrack> then go ahead and use synaptic..or the command triablo gave you to let apt handle the dependencies
[05:58] <gorecky> i feel more comfortable working with it
[05:58] <triablo> xfce looks more like osx
[05:59] <the_stick> Zugwrack, ok suppose it's thingy.deb , what should I run ?
[05:59] <Zugwrack> gorecky: There is information on the ubuntu wiki page about how to install kde...and gnome has a browser link to click after install...you should be able to do that..
[06:00] <kent> does any one know what module to load to get a topcom lancard 115 working in linux?
[06:00] <gorecky> sure thing, just wanted to check if someone has experience with that
[06:00] <the_stick> and how do I make my /home directory show up in Synaptic so that I can directly install any packages I download ?
[06:00] <gorecky> in deciding what distribution to chose, kde was a main factor
[06:00] <Zugwrack> the_stick: If you are getting dependencies needed to install the .deb file then you would first need to use apt instal <.deb> for the dependencies required..after that you should be able to install the package you are trying to use now
[06:01] <the_stick> ah . thanks
[06:01] <Zugwrack> the_stick: np
[06:01] <gorecky> for ubuntu is mainly supporting gnome, i was thinking about taking a distri with kde as default
[06:02] <Zugwrack> gorecky: You can use synaptic to download and install kde....it really isn't that big of a deal unless you have a dial up connection
[06:02] <the_stick> Zugwrack : it says "E: Couldn't find package amsn_0.94-1_i386.deb
[06:02] <the_stick> " after reading packages , and building dependency riewas ?
[06:03] <the_stick> riewas = trees .. *
[06:03] <Cred> Evening. How do I get support for GD library in Apache2? I can't find any proper modules.
[06:03] <Treenaks> GD in apache or in php?
[06:03] <gorecky> ok, just the question if kde as preference is a big reason not to take ubuntu
[06:03] <Cred> Treenaks, PHP
[06:03] <Cred> Or the same actually. I just want to use GD with PHP :)
[06:04] <Zugwrack> gorecky: If you want a really good bloated install of a linux version that will let you try about ten different window managers then Mandrake linux 10.1 would be your choice..it is probably the best for newbies, or persons not wanting to invest time in configuring linux
[06:04] <Treenaks> Cred: apt-cache search php4 gd
[06:04] <Treenaks> Cred: and you'll see
[06:04] <gorecky> but i guess my question is more concerning the idea of ubuntu, not the practice..
[06:04] <Cred> Treenaks, thanks!
[06:04] <Treenaks> gorecky: the idea of ubuntu?
[06:05] <Zugwrack> gorecky: If you want the philosopy behind Ubuntu then go to the home page...
[06:05] <zombics> how can i change my screen res?
[06:05] <Zugwrack> *philosophy
[06:05] <Zugwrack> greets Treenaks:
[06:06] <Treenaks> hey trainwreck
[06:06] <gorecky> i was there several times, dont worry. ubuntu obviously had some reasons to take gnome.
[06:06] <the_stick> still doesnt work :(
[06:06] <the_stick> Zugwrack, can I PM you what it says ?
[06:06] <Treenaks> gorecky: oh the reason ubuntu chose gnome, not "the meaning of the word Ubuntu"
[06:07] <gorecky> yeah, i should have explained it better..
[06:07] <the_stick> if only I got log in as root in ubuntu :(
[06:07] <Zugwrack> the_stick: I understand that you want to learn how to solve why your .deb package is bombing...I have other things I  need to complete...sorry..
[06:07] <the_stick> NP dude
[06:08] <Treenaks> the_stick: what does not work?
[06:08] <Treenaks> (just tuning in)
[06:08] <gorecky> i spent the day browsing through the distributor's sites 2 make a choice
[06:08] <the_stick> Treenaks: I can't install amsn 94
[06:08] <the_stick> it's a .deb package
[06:08] <Zugwrack> the_stick: You use "sudo <command>" in Ubuntu
[06:08] <Treenaks> the_stick: apt-get install amsn?
[06:08] <the_stick> I install it using dpkg but it quites because it can't find dependencies
[06:08] <Treenaks> the_stick: what's the error message?
[06:09] <Treenaks> the_stick: the exact ones, preferably :)
[06:09] <zombics> how can i change my screen resolution?
[06:09] <the_stick> oh
[06:09] <the_stick> can I PM them to you ?
[06:10] <the_stick> Treenaks : it's ~ 14 lines
[06:10] <Treenaks> the_stick: use www.pastebin.com
[06:10] <Treenaks> the_stick: also, what's wrong with gaim that you want amsn?
[06:11] <gorecky> as a conclusion, how much time/effort would i have to invest to handle my ubuntu-system?
[06:11] <Treenaks> gorecky: very little
[06:11] <gorecky> considering me being an absolute newby to linux?
[06:12] <the_stick> http://www.pastebin.com/123947
[06:12] <Treenaks> gorecky: you'll manage, especially if you come back to this channel :)
[06:12] <gson> wooooooooooooooha
[06:12] <gson> goodmorning
[06:12] <Quest-Master> Which apt package has the KDE games in it?
[06:12] <Quest-Master> Besides kde-games
[06:12] <Quest-Master> I already removed that, and there still a bunch of games in the Debian folder
[06:12] <Treenaks> the_stick: apt-get install all the packages named 'However: <this name> not installed'
[06:12] <Quest-Master> Anyway to remove them?
[06:12] <gorecky> i spent quite some time looking for the right distri..   ubuntu seemed to be the right one, it is just about getting serious, and same for me with linux, that has to fit! ;)
[06:13] <Zugwrack> Treenaks: Which .deb package do I need to get the mad(MP3) support installed for Rhythmbox?
[06:13] <Quest-Master> Zugwrack: Just use XMMS or BEEP
[06:13] <Zugwrack> can't remember the name
[06:13] <Treenaks> Zugwrack: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:13] <Treenaks> Zugwrack: it has an explanatins
[06:13] <Zugwrack> thanks
[06:13] <Treenaks> explanation, too
[06:14] <gorecky> ok, i'll go about it, thanks for your answer, i'll be back fo r sure.. :)
[06:18] <skeff> I have ddclient running but it doesn't seem to do anything
[06:21] <gson> jiyuu0 seen naruto 110-111 ?:)
[06:22] <jiyuu0> gson, not yet... it's still in my housemate pc
[06:22] <gson> oh k, same old naruto ep....:/
[06:22] <jiyuu0> but i just read 240
[06:22] <gson> but i got it to work in mplayer so iam happy:D
[06:22] <gson> k your on the manga..
[06:22] <jiyuu0> yub
[06:22] <jiyuu0> got the whole set
[06:22] <gson> what else do you read? one piece?
[06:22] <jiyuu0> nearly a cd
[06:22] <gson> hehe nice:)
[06:23] <StarScream> anyone running hoary on PPC?
[06:23] <jiyuu0> i think that's the only one
[06:23] <gson> k, there are many others thats worth reading
[06:23] <Olivier_54> yop
[06:23] <gson> i want to see naruto movie!
[06:23] <jiyuu0> me too
[06:23] <jiyuu0> seems nice
[06:24] <gson> very nice
[06:24] <jiyuu0> machine that can seal his chakra
[06:24] <gson> heh ye
[06:24] <jiyuu0> gson, so i guess ur time is 7 something?
[06:24] <gson> yepp true
[06:24] <gson> 18.26
[06:24] <jiyuu0> here 1:26am
[06:24] <gson> heh, sick :)
[06:25] <jiyuu0> i only got time for guide at night
[06:25] <gson> yepp
[06:25] <gson> i need to find some kaizokufansubs releases now, beucase i cant write to my other disks:(
[06:26] <gson> ntfs...
[06:26] <gson> hate it:)
[06:26] <jiyuu0> write to ntfs... stable?
[06:26] <jiyuu0> i scared screw the ntfs system
[06:26] <gson> ye, well i think i will stick to ubuntu now
[06:26] <gson> so i will kill all ntfs disks
[06:27] <jiyuu0> haha
[06:27] <gson> :D
[06:27] <jiyuu0> how bout vfat?
[06:27] <gson> hm
[06:27] <gson> can i have all data left after changes?
[06:27] <GotD0t> if i add an option for a module in /etc/modules.conf and then i reload the module doing rmmod ipaq and then modprobe ipaq it should update corectly right?
[06:28] <jiyuu0> gson, don't catch ur question
[06:28] <gson> heh
[06:28] <gson> nevermind
[06:28] <jiyuu0> ok
[06:28] <gson> cu laters:)
[06:28] <jiyuu0> :)
[06:28] <kagou> hi
[06:31] <slysy81> Can someone help me please I cant load Ubuntu in graphical mode
[06:31] <slysy81> Using an x800xt
[06:32] <Vince-0> slysy81 : u using AMD64 ?
[06:32] <slysy81> nope its a 32bit AMD
[06:32] <slysy81> I have the same problem with Fedora Core 3
[06:33] <Vince-0> hmmm , did it find ur ATI driver ? or did u select one ?
[06:33] <slysy81> I chose ATI in the Ubuntu install
[06:33] <slysy81> The live CD works a treat though
[06:33] <Vince-0> I used the raedeon generic driver on my 9600xt and it worked
[06:33] <Vince-0> I sense its a driver problem
[06:34] <slysy81> You mean you just chose ATI?
[06:34] <slysy81> Yeah weird thing is I googled it and found nothing
[06:34] <Vince-0> yar therz issues with ATI drivers
[06:34] <Vince-0>  Iam not sure what driver the x800 would use , but u must find the right one
[06:34] <slysy81> I dont understand why the live CD works surely drivers are the same?
[06:35] <slysy81> How would I install it from just text mode? I have no idea
[06:35] <Vince-0> dunno dood, I am new to this 2. I just went with the flow installing and it was fine
[06:35] <Vince-0> palle !
[06:35] <palle> how do i activate smb?
[06:36] <Vince-0> service smd start
[06:36] <Vince-0> smb *
[06:36] <palle> yeah it doesnt work
[06:36] <palle> in a terminal?
[06:36] <Vince-0> wierd
[06:36] <Vince-0> yar obv.
[06:36] <palle> huh?
[06:37] <Vince-0> in terminal obviosly - use root terminal
[06:37] <egon_spengler> slysy81: Try, if offered, using the radeon vice the ati driver. The ati driver is for older cards than the radeon
[06:37] <palle> yeah thats what i tried
[06:37] <palle> "command not found"
[06:37] <slysy81> I see so theres a choice of radeon or ATI?
[06:37] <slysy81> Do I need to reinstall to do that?
[06:37] <Vince-0> palle : smb is for file sharing - u know this
[06:38] <palle> yeah
[06:38] <egon_spengler> slysy81: Can you get to a command prompt, text mode?
[06:38] <slysy81> yes
[06:38] <egon_spengler> try Xfree -config
[06:38] <palle> vince-0 can you tell me now how to do with the internet sharing?
[06:38] <kent> My brother bought a new networdcard and put it into his computer.   How does Ubuntu handle that? Should it be autodetected directly, or will it be added if he tries to use eth1? When he ran dhclient from the command the eth1 got detected. Should i take the name of that module that it uses and put it in /etc/modules (well, somewhere like that) ? Since its not automaticly detected, i guess we have to make it load that module everytime somehow..?
[06:38] <mjr> The ati driver should start the radeon driver when necessary (though this doesn't actually work in hoary for at least 9250s)
[06:38] <Vince-0> palle : u got the modem in the XP machine ?
[06:38] <egon_spengler> If that doesn't do it, then xf86config will get you a text mode setup to configure X
[06:39] <mjr> kent, should be detected if it's a pci card
[06:39] <skeff> What CD writer software is recommended for Ubuntu=
[06:39] <palle> no, i could'nt do that now, since my sister is using the windows comp
[06:39] <slysy81> thanks I will try it
[06:39] <palle> but if you tell me i can write it all down so i can do it later...
[06:39] <mjr> kent, you'll have to configure it separately eg. with the gnome network configuration tool
[06:40] <mjr> skeff, nautilus mostly
[06:40] <Vince-0> palle : ok
[06:40] <palle> vince-0 ok
[06:40] <Vince-0> palle : pm me
[06:41] <skeff> mjr, so how do I burn an ISO9660 image with Nautilus?
[06:41] <tvon|x31> Q: do I want 'discover' to manage mount points?
[06:41] <mjr> skeff, right-click it and an option to burn should present itself
[06:41] <skeff> mjr ok
[06:41] <skeff> mjr, and otherwise just drag and drop for normal data CD?
[06:42] <mjr> yeah, to the CD writer window
[06:42] <skeff> mjr is it possible to configure Rock Ridge, Joliet extensions somewhere?
[06:42] <kent> mjr, well, its a topcom 115 (they mention realtek-drivers on their homepage), but when my brother boots his computer it does not autodetect right now, but perhaps its my fault. it does not show up with ifconfig, but perhaps that becaus its not configured right now?
[06:42] <mjr> I don't think so, I believe it uses them by default though
[06:42] <mjr> kent, yep, only configured interfaces show up in ifconfig
[06:47] <sparehead1> how many people game on ubuntu?
[06:48] <sparehead1> and do people use ubuntu for servers or just desktop?
[06:49] <snerfu> i wouldnt use it for a server.
[06:49] <snerfu> debian would be better
[06:49] <snerfu> for that
[06:49] <sparehead1> fair enough
[06:49] <RaCarter> how do you enable root user in ubuntu?
[06:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> RaCarter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:50] <tvon|x31> RaCarter: you don't need to, but if you really really want to, run "sudo passwd root" and give root a password
[06:52] <tvon|x31> So, with the default setup in Hoary, is discover supposed to handle mount points or no?
[06:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> tvon|x31: I edited that manually here.
[06:53] <jmhodges> inotify isn't in the hoary kernel, yet, correct?
[06:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> *ive
[06:53] <RaCarter> thank you
[06:53] <tvon|x31> jmhodges: I think that is correct
[06:53] <jmhodges> cool
[06:53] <tvon|x31> jmhodges: though if you have /dev/inotify it is
[06:53] <jmhodges> ahhh, i was wondering if there was a simple way.. thanks tvon|x31
[06:53] <RaCarter> I guess you don't need root but it would be annoying if you had to do a series of tasks and execute more than one program as root using sudo each time
[06:53] <tvon|x31> jmhodges: np
[06:54] <jmhodges> tvon|x31: doesn't look like it :) thanks
[06:54] <tvon|x31> RaCarter: "sudo -s" gives you a root shell
[06:54] <tvon|x31> RaCarter: Its mostly a matter of changing the way you do things really..shrugging old habits
[06:54] <jmhodges> tvon|x31: is that more like `sudo su -` or `sudo su` ?
[06:55] <GotD0t> i would think sudo su is a bit redundant
[06:55] <tvon|x31> jmhodges: I think they do the same thing in the end, but "sudo -s" is the "sudo way" so I figure it makes more sense
[06:55] <jmhodges> ahh ok
[06:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> jmhodges: sudo -s or su -> su = super user, will ask you the root password and allow you to become a super user
[06:55] <jmhodges> right, but there's a difference between su - and su
[06:55] <tvon|x31> _|Imanewbie|_: yeah, but with the normal setup there is no root password
[06:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> tvon|x31: but I gave him the url for that
[06:56] <RaCarter> yeah
[06:56] <snerfu> sudo with option that gives you roots path, i forgot what it is, works just as good as being root.
[06:56] <RaCarter> it seems like sudo -s asks me for my user password, not root password
[06:56] <tvon|x31> RaCarter: that is correct
[06:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> RaCarter: yes so read, the url Ive sent you
[06:56] <snerfu> thats right
[06:57] <tvon|x31> sudo will only ever ask you for 'your' password
[06:57] <snerfu> because your in the sudo group
[06:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> RaCarter: but you can change it
[06:57] <tvon|x31> The point is there is zero reason to give root a password
[06:57] <tvon|x31> except...
[06:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> tvon|x31: except?
[06:57] <tvon|x31> except for GUI apps that use something like gtksu
[06:57] <tvon|x31> though the ones in Warty were modified to use gtksudo
[06:58] <tvon|x31> granted you can always run them anyways
[06:58] <RaCarter> ok, how do I change that behavior?
[06:58] <tvon|x31> but for a nicer experience you might want to give root a password so you can run them via the gui I suppose
[06:59] <tvon|x31> RaCarter: which behavior?
[06:59] <RaCarter> if I give someone else an account they can install things as root using sudo -s ?
[06:59] <RaCarter> using their own password?
[06:59] <tvon|x31> I don't know what the default restrictions are.  I think only the first user has that kind of privledges.  This is controlled in /etc/sudoers
[07:00] <tvon|x31> s/that/those/
[07:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> RaCarter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[07:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Wich is the URL of that site that gives the amount of downloads of the linux distros daily and give it reviews?
[07:02] <Gwildor> distrowatch?
[07:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Gwildor: I suppose, can you give me the url?
[07:02] <Gwildor> diestrowatch.com
[07:03] <Gwildor> distrowatch.com
[07:03] <Gwildor> sorry
[07:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> Gwildor: Thanks a lot =)
[07:03] <Gwildor> :)
[07:03] <sulkd> ehm guys.. if you haven't already, you should register yourself and your boxen at http://counter.li.org.. need to get ubuntu use high enough that it actually gets its own column..
[07:03] <tvon|x31> _|Imanewbie|_: back to 'discover'.  You say you editied it manually...was it in use by default or no?
[07:04] <Zugwrack> I was asking what the method of updating the menu system is after installing packages? Some don't seem to show up on the menu after install with synaptic
[07:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> tvon|x31: no
[07:04] <tvon|x31> _|Imanewbie|_: Thanks
[07:05] <anselme> hi
[07:06] <Vince-0> (I proud , I helped my first n00b)
[07:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> Vince-0: congrats =)
[07:06] <Vince-0> thnks
[07:06] <Vince-0> what u up to Imanewbie ?
[07:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive been a newbie for like 3 years with linux
[07:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> so I'm a kind of an oldie newbie =)
[07:08] <Vince-0> I have been a newbie for like a month
[07:08] <Vince-0> will always be one tho
[07:08] <Vince-0> dood - U could prob help me out -- hehe
[07:09] <plagiats_> hi!
[07:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> Vince-0: why will alllways be one? Sooner or lather you get the idea, and things become allways the "same"
[07:11] <Vince-0> I wish
[07:11] <the_stick> <-- getting a headache
[07:11] <the_stick> I can't install anything
[07:11] <Vince-0> Il get there one day
[07:11] <Vince-0> I am gonna make a manual for noobs as I learn
[07:11] <the_stick> it ALAWAYS returns an error message..
[07:11] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: what do you meant by "cant install anything?"
[07:12] <the_stick> either "You don't have access" , "You don't have this , you don't have that"
[07:12] <the_stick> _|Imanewbie|_,  : I have a .deb package , it doesnt install
[07:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: are you triing to do it as super user?
[07:12] <anselme> give the exact one, pls
[07:12] <the_stick> I'm as the default user
[07:12] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know if Wine can emulate things like PaintShop Pro or Photoshop?
[07:12] <the_stick> life wouldve been easier if I could login as root
[07:12] <anselme> u can do sudo passwd root ;-)
[07:13] <Skwid_> Quest-Master: you nuts ?
[07:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: do su, in a terminall shell, it will ask for a super user pass, give yourt user pass
[07:13] <kristjan> hi all
[07:13] <Skwid_> Quest-Master: get gimp
[07:13] <Quest-Master> Skwid_: ?
[07:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: then apt-get install whatever you want
[07:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> Does FreeBSD worths to be used for a home user?
[07:14] <gson> hm what ftp prog do you all use ?
[07:14] <kristjan> i want to install firehol. how do i make it start on each boot? is it enough if i just copy the firehol(.sh) script to /etc/init.d?
[07:15] <vrln_> _|Imanewbie|_: that's a question of opinion
[07:15] <frytus> ;] 
[07:15] <vrln_> most linux users would say no, all bsd users would say yes
[07:15] <vrln_> :)
[07:15] <_|Imanewbie|_> vrln_: =)
[07:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ubuntu isnt in linuxiso.org =(
[07:16] <frytus> why you want bsd if you have ubuntu hehe ;] 
[07:16] <Quest-Master> Skwid_: There are a lot of features missing in it :(
[07:16] <gson> whats the best ftp application ?
[07:16] <kristjan> anybody?
[07:16] <Quest-Master> gFTP is a good one gson
[07:16] <gson> oki tnx
[07:16] <Quest-Master> sudo apt-get install gftp
[07:16] <gson> heh mm
[07:16] <gson> synaptic
[07:16] <frytus> vsftp ;)
[07:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> gson: I use ftp from shell
[07:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> gson: so it is installed by default
[07:17] <gson> ye ive done it some time but sick and tierd of it:)
[07:17] <the_stick> ok , how do I setup a root account
[07:17] <anselme> @gsno: ncftp
[07:17] <the_stick> I want to always use root
[07:17] <the_stick> don't want to sudo everytime
[07:18] <Quest-Master> You have to do sudo everytime
[07:18] <kristjan> the_stick: sudo passwd
[07:18] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu was built like that the_stick
[07:18] <the_stick> oh
[07:18] <gson> k anselme, ill check gftp first:)
[07:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: youy shouldnt use root all the ime
[07:18] <the_stick> it's ok , I'm not worried about security , nothing 'valuable' or 'private' in my PC
[07:18] <kristjan> the_stick: sudo passwd
[07:19] <vrln_> using root all the time is is very bad idea
[07:19] <gson> yepp, i never use root heh
[07:19] <vrln_> and just because you don't have anything important on your system is not a good excuse to use root all the time
[07:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: it is not about security, if you are logged as root and slip you finger in delete buttun you may distroy your system
[07:19] <vrln_> think for the good of the entire internet
[07:19] <vrln_> it's not nice to let your system become a zombie/bot
[07:19] <gson> :D
[07:19] <vrln_> there are enough such systems already anyway
[07:19] <the_stick> ok , I just want to use root to install all my applications , and then I'll go back to using a normal account
[07:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: so do su
[07:20] <the_stick> I tried that , I can't login
[07:20] <gson> sudo works fine?
[07:20] <NewNick> does ubuntu have patched FGLRX drivers for XORG yet?
[07:20] <tvon|x31> sudo
[07:20] <tvon|x31> sudo sudo sudo
[07:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: it will ask for a root pass you give it
[07:20] <the_stick> done it
[07:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> tvon|x31: whatever
[07:20] <the_stick> I then logged out , but I can't login as root in the main login screen
[07:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: give you normal user pass
[07:21] <tvon|x31> the_stick: in GDM?
[07:21] <the_stick> yeag
[07:21] <anselme> the_stick: do sudo passwd root before doing su
[07:21] <tvon|x31> dont login as root in gdm
[07:21] <the_stick> oh
[07:21] <the_stick> then how?
[07:21] <_|Imanewbie|_> the_stick: just become a super user in a terminal screen
[07:21] <tvon|x31> the_stick: you want to use the console to install packages?  meaning, you don't want to use synaptic?
[07:22] <the_stick> yeah , but I want the x-server thing too
[07:22] <tvon|x31> (synaptic == gui for managing packages)
[07:23] <GotD0t> did you guys see the /. article about the guy who released a build of OOo 1.1.3 that integrates with KDE and Gnome
[07:23] <the_stick> I want to install amsn 94 but it keeps telling me it can't find dependencies
[07:23] <the_stick> I tried apt-get
[07:23] <tvon|x31> GoneBoB: yeah.  gnome integrated OOo is going to be in Hoary
[07:23] <tvon|x31> "sudo apt-get install amsn" fails?
[07:24] <tvon|x31> then you are probably missing repositories (eg, universe/restricted/multiverse or something)
[07:24] <GotD0t> tvon|x31 any clue on when it ends up in the repos?
[07:24] <tvon|x31> GoneBoB: its due for upload..not sure when
[07:24] <GotD0t> tvon|x31 you might wanna check the name... this is not GoneBoB ;-)
[07:25] <tvon|x31> whoops :)
[07:25] <tvon|x31> bitten by tab-complete
[07:25] <Thanatos> hi @ll
[07:25] <tvon|x31> and laziness
[07:25] <tvon|x31> the_stick ran off?
[07:25] <Thanatos> can sb tell me how to configure my soundcard with ubuntu?
[07:26] <Thanatos> fuckin laptop problems
[07:27] <anselme> which laptop or card ?
[07:28] <Thanatos> Siemens Mobile 510 AGP
[07:28] <Gwildor> i am looking for the easiest noob friendly FREE distro, linspire would be perforct for the person in mind, but i need something free for him
[07:29] <plagiats> maybe ubuntu is the right choice Gwildor !
[07:29] <Thanatos> *s*
[07:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> My University is going to have a freesoftware week
[07:29] <Gwildor> plagiats, hmmm maybe warty would be
[07:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> I'm wondering to order some ubuntu cds and give them for ppl that watch the lectures
[07:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> and maybe do a install fest
[07:30] <epod> does anyone know where I can fix a .deb of xscrabble ?
[07:30] <anselme> Thanatos : have u looked at tuxmobil.org ?
[07:30] <clockorange> Im using X-chat right now. But i want a IRC-chat to use in the console?
[07:30] <Thanatos> no....
[07:31] <Thanatos> gonna try it
[07:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> clockorange: irssi
[07:31] <tvon|x31> clockorange: ir..what he said
[07:31] <clockorange> _|Imanewbie|_, ok ;)
[07:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> clockorange: I'm using it right now and it is VERY cool
[07:32] <clockorange> _|Imanewbie|_, Hey! Its already installed. Cool :)
[07:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> clockorange: yay
[07:32] <gwildor_> just type irc in terminal
[07:32] <clockorange> ok
[07:32] <gwildor_>    /connect irc.freenode.net
[07:33] <gwildor_>   /join #ubuntu
[07:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> clockorange: www.irssi.org
[07:33] <gwildor_> exit
[07:34] <Gwildor> irssi is tha same thing as irc in terminal
[07:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> Gwildor: that is what clockorange wants I suppose
[07:35] <gwildor_> i was just stating that the irssi command and irc command do the same exact thing
[07:35] <kristjan> gwildor  /quit ;)
[07:35] <clockorange> Yes - i think i got it know ;). Thanks Gwildor :)
[07:36] <Gwildor> kristjan, /exit works too, just forgot the "/"
[07:36] <Gwildor> kristjan, but thnx :)
[07:36] <kristjan> Gwildor: np
[07:36] <vidrohi> hello folks
[07:36] <tvon|x31>  /usr/bin/irc is linked up with irssi via alternatives
[07:37] <Gwildor> ahhh.....ok
[07:37] <Ruffian|Q|> hi
[07:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> As a CS student I must admit the most important day in my academic life was the day my mates installed linux here for me first time, it costed 2 cokes and a beer but worthed =)
[07:37] <vidrohi> can i get some help?
[07:37] <Gwildor> vidrohi, just ask
[07:37] <tvon|x31> depends
[07:37] <Gwildor> :)
[07:37] <_|Imanewbie|_> vidrohi: sure, we are here for it
[07:40] <vidrohi> ubuntu install really messed up with my PC. i started its installation on f: (which i asked it for format then use). it ran for some time, and after i come back, comp had restarted and now refuses to boot into any OS
[07:40] <Quest-Master> I need to paste MFC42.dll in my "primary" Linux directory
[07:40] <Quest-Master> What directory is that?
[07:40] <kristjan> i just installed a VERY cool proggy for handlinh init.d stuff (configuring startup of services)
[07:40] <Quest-Master> I am doing this so an application will work with Wine
[07:40] <kristjan> so, if anybody is interested: sysv-rc-conf
[07:41] <vidrohi> i booted up with CD, and it shows all partitions in order. but f: is still in FAT32.
[07:46] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) is there a command to update the gnome menu after a software installation ?
[07:46] <rod> yes EfaistOs
[07:46] <rod> open a terminal, enter xkill, and click on the panel
[07:46] <rod> it will reload with the updated menu
[07:46] <rod> now my turn to ask a question :)
[07:47] <rod> http://apt.cerkinfo.be/
[07:47] <rod> when I properly add the correspondening lines to my sources.list i get:
[07:47] <rod> Failed to fetch http://apt.cerkinfo.be/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  404 Not Found
[07:47] <rod> fact is that i installed the amd64 version, but I dont have anything with amd64 mentioned in my sources.list
[07:48] <rod> it automaticly goes to the amd64 directory
[07:48] <rod> how to get mp3 support with the amd64 ubuntu version?
[07:48] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) it's weird i just installed grisbi but i cant find it in the menus ....
[07:48] <rod> did xkill yet EfaistOs?
[07:48] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) in the debian menus we used to havbe all the softs but not now
[07:49] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) rod, i used xkill but nothing happened
[07:49] <plagiats> Roa, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:49] <plagiats> rod sorry.
[07:49] <rod> then the menu wont get updated EfaistOs :-/
[07:50] <speel> hey how do you uninstall stuff?
[07:50] <rod> that website says The following repository has packages for ''i386 only''. plagiats
[07:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> speel: apt-get remove package_name
[07:50] <rod> speel, apt-get remove blaaaat
[07:50] <rod> ^^
[07:51] <speel> what if you dident use apt get to get it in the beginning?
[07:51] <gwak> Hello all - some more upgrades (hoary) issues -- Nautilus is very slow when opening menus/folders - for example it takes 30 seconds to open desktop/home/ect and X.org xserver is always using 1% cpu useage .. any simple fixes?
[07:51] <rod> gwak, do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:51] <frytus> speel: man dpkg
[07:51] <rod> all will be fast again
[07:51] <Zugwrack> speel: Just use synaptic and look for the proggie you installed...
[07:52] <daniels> gwak: sudo apt-get install gamin
[07:52] <speel> cause i installed enemy territory it dosent work and i wanna get rid of it
[07:52] <Zugwrack> I don't seem to be able to stream .asx to totem which was detected as the default player...how to add or update to allow this?
[07:53] <gwak> rod:cheers -- doing it now --
[07:53] <usual> there is an article on slashdot about openoffice now being able to be built with integration into gnome/kde, I was under the impression that it already was....gnome icons etc...in unbuntu...whats this all about?
[07:54] <Skwid_> usual: when you do 'open file'
[07:54] <Skwid_> it will show the gnome/kde standard open file menu
[07:54] <Skwid_> (for example)
[07:55] <tvon|x31> gnome-vfs integration is the key
[07:55] <usual> k
[07:55] <melanie> i'm using apollon. after starting there should be an icon in system tray. but it opens a new window with the icon in it. i tried to unlock time and sound symbol but nothing changed. how culd i get this icon into the system tray?
[07:55] <rod> did it work gwak?
[07:55] <vidrohi> anybody have idea why ubuntu installation crashed, not even changed the FS, and made other drive (C: on winxp) non-bootable too?
[07:55] <rod> ow, nvm
[07:56] <rod> no idea vidrohi
[07:57] <vidrohi> it didn't even work from teh Live Disc. Started loading........ never completed
[07:58] <rod> try the expert mode vidrohi
[07:58] <rod> you will see the errors
[07:59] <rod> and did you check the cd in windows, md5 check
[07:59] <gson> how do i see which port thats active and open?
[07:59] <tvon|x31> vidrohi: if it tried to install the bootloader into the boot sector it would be a problem.  Thats all I can think of
[08:00] <Zugwrack> gson: netstat?
[08:01] <rod> and gwak?
[08:01] <gwak> rod: thanks night and day
[08:01] <rod> ^^
[08:01] <Zugwrack> Hello Melanie: Wie gehts?
[08:01] <gwak> rod: any idea what the package changed dbus?
[08:02] <rod> you just made my day as well :)
[08:02] <gwak> Zugwrack: gut und du?
[08:02] <rod> i dont understand gwak?
[08:02] <Zugwrack> Ich bin gut..danke
[08:02] <rod> Melanie ist gwak?
[08:02] <melanie> Zugwrack: gut, danke. hast du eine antwort auf meine frage oben?
[08:02] <rod> ow lol
[08:02] <Zugwrack> Nein ich habe nicht...das tut mir leid
[08:03] <gwak> rod: just wondering what package in ubuntu-desktop was responsible for the speedup
[08:04] <gson> ive got a little problem with xmms, cant add any url.pls
[08:04] <rod> gwak, i forgot the name, but it was the first package
[08:04] <Zugwrack> melanie: I have to practice my german...heh...I also work with a good friend who lives here in Texas, US that is Swiss... ;-)
[08:04] <rod> ich spreche Deutsch
[08:04] <rod> ich komme aus Venlo, der Niederlanden :)
[08:04] <rod> how about that :p
[08:05] <rod> Oktoberfesten, Munchen :) ... E-dry Geldern
[08:05] <gwak> gwak: ich spreche auslander deutsch
[08:06] <Zugwrack> rod: kewl from the Netherlands... sehr nett
[08:07] <gwak> rod: ich wohnte in nijmegen
[08:07] <gson> ive got a little problem with xmms, cant add any url.pls
[08:08] <clockorange> How do i get out of X. I press: ctrl, alt, backflash - but it wont stay out there ;(
[08:08] <rod> kennst du niederlandisch sprechen gwak?
[08:08] <rod> clockorange, go to terminal 1 (control alt f1)
[08:08] <Zugwrack> gson: right click the stream you are playing(if you are saving a stream) select save..then drop down the combo box to select .pls and also add it to the filename you are saving as..
[08:08] <alex_f> clockorange: try 'telinit 3' or 'init 3'
[08:08] <rod> then sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:09] <clockorange> ok
[08:09] <clockorange> thanks ;)
[08:09] <gwak> rod: when i moved to german all my dutch was replaced by german ;-] 
[08:10] <rod> dus dit versta je gewoon :) grapjas :p
[08:10] <frytus> ;] 
[08:10] <rod> went out in nijmegen couple of times.. the matrixx and 3 gestusters as well :)
[08:10] <rod> s
[08:11] <clockorange> Hmm...wont work?
[08:11] <vidrohi> thx guys
[08:11] <rod> what is the output clockorange?
[08:11] <vidrohi> bye
[08:11] <gwak> rod: the thing i miss most from nijmegen is the Lux
[08:11] <rod> the Lux? doesnt ring a bell
[08:12] <clockorange> rod, The output?
[08:12] <gwak> rod: its a 'community' run movie theater / bar
[08:12] <rod> yeah clockorange.. why is it not working?
[08:12] <rod> hmm ill have a look for it gwak :)
[08:14] <gwak> rod: great art house movies / great selection of Belgian beers
[08:14] <rod> hehe.. you mean they have got jupiler?
[08:14] <clockorange> rod, oh, i do not know. It doesnt do anything. And i get no errors
[08:14] <rod> clockorange, what command did you use?
[08:14] <Zugwrack> Why not just edit inittab directly?
[08:15] <plagiats> bye
[08:15] <clockorange> rod, init 3, telinit
[08:15] <rod> well.. i adviced you something else...
[08:15] <rod> control - alt- f1
[08:15] <Zugwrack> BTW runlevel 2 is the default runlevel in Ubuntu...Usually GUI is 5 and console is 3...hmmm
[08:15] <rod> and then enter sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[08:15] <gwak> rod: heh not sure what juplier is but the have qwark(sp) / leffe / palm / duvel
[08:15] <clockorange> okay
[08:15] <alex_f> clockorange: that was my advice - you might want to try what rod is suggesting
[08:16] <clockorange> thanks :)
[08:16] <alex_f> clockorange: although from what I know...that should work on most distros, heh
[08:16] <rod> arghhh you dont know Jupiler? hehe... it's the best belgian beer imho
[08:16] <rod> duvel is heavy stuff lol
[08:16] <gwak> rod: i look for it next time im in holland -- germans refuse to belive that IMO belgian beer is better then german beer ;-] 
[08:17] <rod> what do you think excellent german beer is?
[08:17] <rod> warsteiner? :)
[08:17] <clockora1ge> ok, it worked :)
[08:17] <olimar> HI all was reading through the ubuntu site, how can I update my warty installing to haory?
[08:17] <kristjan> rod: the best german beer is loewenbrau weiss bier!
[08:17] <Treenaks> Lwenbrau!
[08:18] <olimar> generally how can I use synaptic to update my installation?
[08:18] <rod> great to hear clockoralge :)
[08:18] <kristjan> Treenaks: no1 can read this! ;)
[08:18] <gwak> rod: no, dull watery - i like the heavy Weisen beers from bavaria
[08:18] <rod> yeah, i remember some beers when I was at the oktoberfesten in munchen... 1 remember one by name -- Lass mir raten, trinke Spaten! ...
[08:18] <rod> The other beers had weird names :s
[08:18] <Treenaks> kristjan: utf-8 ;)
[08:19] <clockora1ge> budweisser
[08:19] <rod> weisen means wit / WeiB beer?
[08:19] <gwak> rod: wheat beer me thinks
[08:19] <rod> loewenbrau.. ill try to keep that one in mind :)
[08:19] <Treenaks> gwak: weiss = "white" (that's how it's translated in Dutch: wit)
[08:19] <kristjan> rod: make sure!
[08:19] <Treenaks> gwak: ask wikipedia :)
[08:20] <clockora1ge> BTW: is it a god idea to have a firewall
[08:20] <gwak> or leo.org
[08:20] <rod> not really necesarry clockora
[08:20] <usual> this is my first time since redhat 5 having official linux CD's
[08:20] <kristjan> clockorange: yes
[08:20] <rod> but you could check out firestarter if you really want to
[08:20] <rod> i would not advise a firewall though since ubuntu shuts all ports off by default
[08:20] <Zugwrack> Depends...if you are behind a router running NAT then probably not a big deal...
[08:20] <kristjan> rod: firestarter sucks, caouse it only allows one interface.
[08:20] <clockora1ge> ok
[08:21] <gwak> wikipedia had nothing ;-[
[08:21] <kristjan> + i had problems with it
[08:21] <Treenaks> gwak: under plain 'Beer'
[08:21] <rod> well, its kinda hard to dig in iptables itself :s... But a firewall is not necesarry imo
[08:21] <kristjan> rod: it IS neccessary
[08:21] <Treenaks> gwak: but yes, it's wheat
[08:21] <klonical> hi
[08:21] <clockora1ge> Waht about anti-virus ;)
[08:21] <Treenaks> gwak: "The two most important varieties of wheat beer are Belgian witbier and German Weizenbier."
[08:22] <StarScream> speaking of firewalls, is there a non iptables linux firewall?
[08:22] <rod> kristjan, you think a firewall is neccessary in ubuntu?
[08:22] <klonical> where is the ksh package for ubuntu??
[08:22] <gwak> Treenaks: thks
[08:22] <kristjan> rod: yes
[08:22] <Zugwrack> clock: There are not very many known viruses in Linux
[08:22] <kristjan> rod: i think it's neccessary in _any_ system
[08:22] <rod> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/firewall/view?searchterm=firewall
[08:22] <rod> check this..
[08:22] <clockora1ge> How many is there?
[08:23] <rod> Im not quite technical and all, but I trust that link :)
[08:23] <Zugwrack> clockoralge: Dunno anymore...
[08:23] <rod> Since Ubuntu doesn't run any daemons that listen to the outside world by default (the postfix install only listens on localhost) there's no need for a default firewall.
[08:23] <kristjan> rod: suit yourself.
[08:23] <rod> The rationale is that if a user's got a need for installing a world-facing daemon, they'll be aware that they should configure a firewall/ACL for it too.
[08:23] <rod> but yeah, i can imagine if you have a server or important stuff on your computer, a firewall is a good idea
[08:23] <kristjan> rod: doesn't matter. attacks come in other forms...
[08:24] <StarScream> kristjan, rod has a point..its not like windows machines where they have a bunch o ports open
[08:24] <clockora1ge> Wouldn't there be alot more if Linux was the dominant OS?
[08:25] <epod> Hey, I've got a question, I have a java program, that, for some godunknown reason, only works when run as root.  I have to execute it via java -jar blah.jar - is there a way I can automate this so I don't have to give my root pw by sudo'ing every time I want to run it?
[08:25] <lamont> klonical: it's in univers
[08:25] <lamont> e
[08:25] <kristjan> StarScream: don't be so sure.
[08:25] <StarScream> kristjan, explain...
[08:26] <olimar> anyone knows how to update packs via synaptic? (come on...)
[08:26] <gwak> clockora1ge: sure if people didnt update there linux boxes when exploits where found --t here was a sshd exploite a few months ago that i think was an accelrated perms exploit
[08:26] <billytwowilly> where do I report problems with packages in universe?
[08:26] <lamont> billytwowilly: here
[08:26] <kristjan> StarScream: we should switch to #flood for me 2 explain... ;)
[08:26] <lamont> or the ubunut-users mailinglist
[08:26] <clockora1ge> rod: ok
[08:26] <StarScream> kristjan, done
[08:26] <billytwowilly> ok. k3b give me this error:
[08:26] <clockora1ge> gwak: ok
[08:27] <billytwowilly> trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[08:27] <billytwowilly> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[08:27] <lamont> billytwowilly: hoary or warty?
[08:27] <kristjan> StarScream: i was kidding.... google!
[08:27] <billytwowilly> lamont, it did it in warty, i uninstalled it and hadn't used it for a while. I'm now in hoary and it is stil doing it
[08:27] <StarScream> kristjan, no, if you have a statement back it up or shut up
[08:28] <StarScream> kristjan, explain to me why i need a firewall if i have no services
[08:28] <klonical> lamont, something more exact? :)
[08:28] <Zugwrack> anyone else in here running Ubuntu Warty PPC?
[08:28] <StarScream> since you disagreed with both rod and I
[08:28] <lamont> klonical: vi /etc/apt/sources.list (as root), read and understand the comment, and then uncomment the universe lines.
[08:28] <wii> hi there ogra :P
[08:29] <epod> um.. why do I have no option for sound in frozen-bubble! *cries*
[08:29] <Treenaks> epod: I have f-b on my phone :)
[08:29] <usual> can you guys get to this http://colin.homeunix.org/
[08:29] <klonical> lamont, i have already done that :?
[08:29] <kristjan> StarScream: one example: http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DoS_attack.html
[08:29] <kristjan> StarScream: and don't b rude
[08:30] <billytwowilly> lamont, is that all I have to do? are you going to pass the info on to the right people??
[08:30] <epod> Treenaks, grr.  Would perhaps removing SDL-oss and installing SDL-esd help?
[08:30] <Treenaks> epod: you shouldn't need to
[08:30] <rod> well, see you around
[08:30] <Treenaks> epod: the default ESD has all sound output options
[08:30] <lamont> klonical: there is a pdksh in warty/universe
[08:30] <epod> Treenaks, shouldn't, yes.  But I got no sound :)
[08:30] <rod> kristjan, nice talking to you :)
[08:30] <epod> Treenaks, in fact, frozen-bubble wouldn't even put a checkmark next to sound
[08:30] <lamont> billytwowilly: I'd recommend sending email to ubuntu-users
[08:30] <Zugwrack> see you rod: Take care
[08:31] <billytwowilly> lamont, do I have to subscribe?
[08:31] <klonical> lamont, ok i will check it again. thanks
[08:31] <lamont> billytwowilly: dunno.  canonical does not support universe, hence it's deal with the users list,etc
[08:31] <StarScream> kristjan, firewalls aren't going to help you with a DOS. An IDS would becuase it would allow you to dynamically configure network interfaces to reject packets from certain ips etc..
[08:32] <billytwowilly> lamont, what's the email addy for ubuntu - users?
[08:32] <kristjan> StarScream: firewall will help in 90% attacks
[08:32] <epod> Treenaks, well, it fixed it.  Go figure.
[08:32] <kristjan> StarScream: for the other 10, you'll have to throw your computer away 2 b safe...
[08:33] <StarScream> kristjan, how is a firewall going to help in a DOS..firewalls aren't smart..
[08:33] <epod> Treenaks, and btw, how do you have FB on your phone?
[08:33] <lamont> billytwowilly: I'm thinking ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com, but see http://lists.ubuntu.com
[08:33] <johnnyq> Hi
[08:33] <Treenaks> epod: http://fb-s60.sf.net I think it was
[08:33] <kristjan> StarScream: they block certain packets and stealth your computer...
[08:34] <kristjan> anyway, I have posted my fireHOL experience for people that want a firewall.
[08:35] <kristjan> StarScream: if you don't belong to that category, don't bother...
[08:35] <epod> Treenaks, I am so getting one of those phones.
[08:35] <Treenaks> epod: :P
[08:35] <Treenaks> just for the game? :)
[08:35] <StarScream> kristjan, if i have no services open i have no packets to let in aside from what i choose to open through web browser etc..
[08:35] <Quest-Master> I want to uninstall Python through apt-get
[08:35] <Quest-Master> However
[08:35] <Quest-Master> When I do sudo apt-get remove python
[08:35] <Quest-Master> It wants to remove like a 1000 other packages
[08:36] <Quest-Master> How can I get it to remove only the Python package?
[08:36] <StarScream> kristjan, if you ARE running services, then I agree, yhou should have a firewall
[08:36] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: all those packages depend on python being installed] 
[08:36] <epod> Treenaks, darn right :D
[08:36] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: they don't work without it
[08:36] <rip024> having trouble installing Mplayer can anyone help
[08:36] <Quest-Master> Treenaks: I have 2.3.4 Python installed
[08:36] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: so basically, you do not want to remove python
[08:36] <StarScream> but if your computer accepts nothing by default then it doesnt matter what you send to my machine..its not going to do anything with it
[08:37] <Quest-Master> Treenaks: I want to remove the 2.2.3
[08:37] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: from the packages? or compiled yourself?
[08:37] <Quest-Master> apt-get has the old Python.
[08:37] <Quest-Master> I wish someone updated it.
[08:37] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: apt has python 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4
[08:37] <Hikaru79> Is it just me or is xine very prone to crashes?
[08:37] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: look harder in aptitude/synaptic/whatever
[08:38] <Quest-Master> Well, when I do apt-get install python it doesn't install the new one
[08:38] <kristjan> anybody sucessful making tv out work on ati mobility 9600?
[08:38] <Zugwrack> clear
[08:39] <Quest-Master> Treenaks: Shouldn't apt-get itself have the newest Python?
[08:39] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: it also has that
[08:39] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: but  I can assure you, that ubuntu has the latest python
[08:40] <Treenaks> Quest-Master: apt-cache search python, look through the list
[08:40] <Hikaru79> And why am I unable to kill xine, with the 'kill PID' command?
[08:40] <Treenaks> Hikaru79: what's the error?
[08:40] <speel> hey i need some help i poped in a burned audio cd and when i clicked on cd-rom one i got this error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc,
[08:40] <speel>        or too many mounted file systems
[08:41] <speel> any ideas?
[08:41] <Treenaks> speel: you can't mount audio CDs
[08:42] <Hikaru79> Treenaks, no error, just froze and won't be 'kill'ed
[08:42] <speel> ah yes i forgot that lol
[08:42] <speel> well its playing in the cd player program but i have no sound :(
[08:42] <Treenaks> Hikaru79: don't know then
[08:42] <Treenaks> speel: open your volume panel
[08:43] <Treenaks> speel: check the volume there
[08:43] <speel> everything is fine i just tested the sound on a internet radio station
[08:44] <melazyboy> Hikaru79: Kill xine with the 'killall -s 9 xine'
[08:44] <melazyboy> Hikaru79: Try this to test alsa, 'cat /dev/urandom | aplay'
[08:44] <melazyboy> You can use the utility 'alsamixer' to modify your alsa sound levels.
[08:45] <melazyboy> In addition make sure that Xine is using alsa, by going into the options menu setting it to advanced levels, then going to the sound tab and selecting alsa as the driver
[08:45] <xhyldazhk> hi allll
[08:46] <xhyldazhk> hey how do I install bttv driver on ubuntu ?
[08:48] <Hikaru79> melazyboy, you rule :)
[08:48] <melazyboy> I know it, thanks =D
[08:49] <Ferry> hi anyone else having probs with samba support in nautilus with hoary. It sees the machines but i cant connect the password window never pops up
[08:50] <melazyboy> Hikaru damit, i just screwed up my aplay =/
[08:50] <xhyldazhk> hi anyone knows how to install bttv driver from synaptic?
[08:51] <epod> Can anyone tell me how I connect to the servers on my workplace's windows network?  When I click on the icons for them, I don't get a password window, I just get told I can't connect
[08:51] <kristjan> Ferry: it is a bit strange, connect using smb://machine_name/share
[08:51] <melazyboy> epod: I have always wondered how to do it with the gui, you can use the command smbmount to do it easily though
[08:52] <kristjan> Ferry: if you don't specify share it doesn't work...
[08:52] <melazyboy> epod: Such as 'smbmount //comp_name/share_name -o username=test,password=test,rw'
[08:52] <melazyboy> you can either add comp_name to your /etc/resolv.conf if it fails to resolv, or you can make it an ip and add the -i option as well
[08:52] <Ferry> kristjan: well it finds the shares
[08:53] <Ferry> kristjan: but wont show me the files on it
[08:53] <kristjan> Ferry: works?
[08:53] <Ferry> kristjan: nope same
[08:53] <Ferry> kristjan: dont get an error it cant connect it just wont show anything
[08:53] <epod> melazyboy, thanks :)
[08:54] <kristjan> Ferry: works for me out of the box...
[08:54] <Ferry> with hoary?
[08:54] <KeyserSoze> what controls the automatic module loading under ubuntu?
[08:54] <KeyserSoze> because I got rid of discover
[08:54] <kristjan> Ferry: setup permissions on target machine (which is?)
[08:54] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: /etc/modules
[08:55] <KeyserSoze> and its still loading modules that aren't listed under /etc/modules
[08:55] <KeyserSoze> already checked there
[08:55] <melazyboy> etc modules generates /etc/modules.conf
[08:55] <Ferry> kristjan: worked fine this morning in warty so its hoary related
[08:55] <KeyserSoze> there is no modules.conf
[08:55] <KeyserSoze> thats on debian... there is no modconf either
[08:56] <KeyserSoze> which is kind of annoying since its a very nice tool
[08:56] <melazyboy> .. there should be an /etc/modules.conf, if not run update-modules to generate one it will list all of your modules under what caused them to be generated
[08:56] <kristjan> Ferry: i don't know.
[08:56] <Ferry> kristjan: but it works for you in hoary? DId you do a fresh install or upgraded from warty?
[08:56] <KeyserSoze> just ran update-modules it didn't create it
[08:56] <kristjan> Ferry: fresh install
[08:57] <Ferry> kristjan: ah that could be my prob
[08:57] <melazyboy> There is also /etc/modprobe.d
[08:57] <melazyboy> and /etc/modprobe.conf
[08:58] <xhyldazhk> hi anyone knows how to install bttv driver from synaptic????
[08:58] <KeyserSoze> well the reason update-modules does nothing is because its a script that calls /sbin/update-modules.modutils
[08:58] <KeyserSoze> but that file doesn't exist
[08:59] <KeyserSoze> there is only /etc/modprobe.d/ and /etc/modutils
[08:59] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: its already installed in your kenrel
[08:59] <KeyserSoze> but neither has a list of what modules are being loaded from where
[08:59] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: modprobe bttv should be run when you boot up after you install the hardware
[08:59] <KeyserSoze> and its getting annoying to have to go in and manually rmmod all the alsa modules
[08:59] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: Modprobe.d is a directory where each line in each file is read into modprobe
[08:59] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: it not.. run it yourself `modprobe bttv`
[08:59] <Zugwrack> hmmmm....found an interesting situation that people might like to know about...
[09:00] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: In addition you can, 'apt-get --reinstall install module-init-tools' to get that script
[09:00] <Zugwrack> I have a external firewire drive....after adding entries to fstab and rebooting...it looks like fstab is being read before the system can initialize the firewire modules...
[09:01] <KeyserSoze> just did a reinstall and still nothing
[09:01] <KeyserSoze> I'm on amd64
[09:01] <KeyserSoze> maybe is fine under i386
[09:03] <KeyserSoze> melazyboy: you're telling me you have a /sbin/update-modules.modutils
[09:03] <KeyserSoze> ?
[09:03] <melazyboy> Yes.
[09:03] <melazyboy> I do
[09:03] <xhyldazhk> jmhodges, if i didn't did that at install time can i copy the module from ubuntu cd?
[09:04] <KeyserSoze> ok then there is something wrong with the amd64 module-init-tools package
[09:04] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: you don't have to.. its in your kernel as a module
[09:04] <Zugwrack> Is it necessary to re-compile the kernel to allow read write access to firewire drives?
[09:04] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: its part of the linux kernel ubuntu installed on your machine.. all you have to do is put your hw into your box and it should automagically start up the bttv module
[09:05] <KeyserSoze> melazyboy: looks like the package is doing alot of diverts that point to missing binaries
[09:05] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: if for some reason, the bttv module does not get put in place ( i.e. it isn't found when running the command `lsmod | grep bttv`) then you will have to run modprobe bttv yourself
[09:06] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: but of course, you need hw that actually uses bttv, so make sure of that
[09:06] <KeyserSoze> package diverts others to: /sbin/insmod.modutils
[09:06] <KeyserSoze> and there is no insmod.modutils
[09:06] <KeyserSoze> everything that it diverts too is missing as a matter of fact
[09:06] <melazyboy> Insmod is a binary
[09:06] <KeyserSoze> so?
[09:06] <melazyboy> it was a failed attempt at making modprobe eaiser to use
[09:07] <xhyldazhk> jmhodges, i have a ASTV 99 card, and under fedora core it ran with bttv module
[09:07] <melazyboy> its not a script, its just /sbin/insmod, all it is used for now is to load the ethernet module tulip
[09:07] <KeyserSoze> that just an example of the diverts the modules-init-tools is making
[09:07] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: sure.. anyway, the module should be loaded but if it isn't run `modprobe bttv`
[09:07] <KeyserSoze> I don't care about insmod
[09:08] <KeyserSoze> point is the package is missing stuff
[09:08] <melazyboy> ...
[09:08] <keknehv> Hi all
[09:08] <Zugwrack> Treeknaks: Got a sec to answer a couple questions?
[09:08] <melazyboy> apt-cache showpkg module-init-tools
[09:09] <xhyldazhk> jmhodges, thanx, im getting xawtv :)
[09:09] <KeyserSoze> anything specific you want from there?
[09:09] <jmhodges> xhyldazhk: np
[09:09] <keknehv> I have two monitor outs: one on a PCI card and one built into the motherboard. Currently, my monitor is hooked up to the PCI card. Is there any way to get dual monitors?
[09:09] <keknehv> (I have two monitors)
[09:10] <KeyserSoze> melazyboy: ok... you're telling me you have a /sbin/update-modules.modutils right? which is what the /sbin/update-modules calls... well /sbin/update-modules.modutils is missing
[09:11] <Treenaks> KeyserSoze: apt-get install modutils
[09:11] <Treenaks> KeyserSoze: and don't go removing random packages
[09:11] <Treenaks> also, modutils is only used on 2.4 kernels
[09:11] <Treenaks> so modutils is never needed
[09:11] <KeyserSoze> well first of all I didn't remove it
[09:11] <KeyserSoze> and second thats not really my problem
[09:12] <ztonzy> hello
[09:12] <KeyserSoze> my problem is that upon bootup, the alsa modules for my sound card are getting loaded instead of the oss module and I can't find where and what is loading them automatically
[09:12] <ztonzy> bob2, you awake :) ?
[09:12] <KeyserSoze> and I already got rid of discover
[09:12] <KeyserSoze> and there are no aliases that should be loading it
[09:13] <keknehv> So is there any way to get two monitors running under gnome?
[09:13] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:13] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: Or they could be baked into your kernel
[09:13] <jmhodges> melazyboy: wouldn't it be easier to remove the /etc/init.d/alsa from the /etc/rc. beits?
[09:14] <jmhodges> s/beits/bits/
[09:14] <KeyserSoze> melazyboy: what part about "modules" being loaded would make you think they are built in?
[09:14] <melazyboy> jmhodges: Yes thats a better idea
[09:14] <jmhodges> KeyserSoze: try getting rid of the S*alsa and K*alsa in /etc/rc*.d/ files
[09:14] <GotD0t> keknehv: i have two monitors running under gnome
[09:15] <KeyserSoze> already got rid of all alsa packages
[09:15] <GotD0t> keknehv: what gfx card do you have
[09:15] <KeyserSoze> and there is no /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[09:15] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: /etc/init.d/alsa stop & rm /etc/init.d/alsa
[09:15] <KeyserSoze> alsa is gone
[09:15] <jmhodges> KeyserSoze: uhh.. did you check?
[09:15] <klonical> does anyone know why at the startup, the process stops while some minutes showing "Starting ubuntu..."???
[09:15] <jmhodges> because i bet its filed under "configuration file" and i bet you didnt purge it when you removed them
[09:16] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: You can build in alsa-bake, and not the all of alsa, infact by default thats how it works if i remember right in the ubuntu kernel tree
[09:16] <keknehv> I have an NVidia Geforce 4 and an integrated Intel Extreme
[09:16] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Which base modules did U install with synaptic?
[09:16] <jmhodges> melazyboy: yep
[09:16] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, mom
[09:16] <jmhodges> KeyserSoze: the modules are still in the kernel, you can't remove those without recompiling it
[09:16] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: if alsa-base is baked in, and it requires a sound card driver to run then it might just automate that itself...
[09:16] <KeyserSoze> jmhodges: I'm a sr. unix sys admin not a kiddie man... come on
[09:16] <GotD0t> keknehv: and both monitors are going to be connected to the geforce?
[09:16] <jmhodges> KeyserSoze: hehe
[09:16] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: What? You switched to KDE what are the main components to install?
[09:16] <jmhodges> KeyserSoze: sorry, thats just who im used to helping
[09:17] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I just picked kdebase and the rest was selected by auto
[09:17] <Riddell> Zugwrack: kdelibs, kdebase and kdm
[09:17] <KeyserSoze> melazyboy: that still doesn't explain why the alsa modules are being loaded automatically
[09:17] <xhyldazhk> Hi all again... how do I make a dev node be created every time the system starts?
[09:17] <Zugwrack> ztonzy, Riddell: Ok thank you...
[09:17] <keknehv> I would prefer one hooked up to each one, but would it be easier to just get a DVI->Monitor converter?
[09:17] <Riddell> Zugwrack: I have KDE 3.3 debs for hary should ytou want them
[09:17] <KeyserSoze> and the fact that alsa-base is or isn't built into the kernel doesn't make it autoload modules
[09:17] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I think I did a gnome update and suddenly whole gui went lagging, and I am used to kde more than gnome...so I have it a try and it feels sooo slick !
[09:18] <ztonzy> well, kdm is not needed...still use gdm ;)
[09:18] <Zugwrack> Riddell: thanks...but I am running Warty
[09:18] <KeyserSoze> there is some mechanism somewhere detecting the presence of the card and loading the alsa modules
[09:18] <KeyserSoze> what I want to find is that mechanism and make it load the oss module instead of the alsa crap
[09:18] <Riddell> ztonzy: gdm theme support for kdm is in CVS, very nice
[09:18] <melazyboy> KeyserSoze: Quite possibly the baked in alsa-base does that..
[09:19] <ztonzy> Riddell, didnt know :)
[09:19] <default> i'm having problems with my display resolution when i try to start the live cd of ubuntu
[09:19] <KeyserSoze> so you're telling me that alsa is probing my hardware and then in turn loading modules automatically without any piece of software aiding it? yeah ok...
[09:19] <GotD0t> keknehv, im not sure... but it should be possible either way
[09:19] <keknehv> default: that's interesting; I was having troubles with my normal install, but the live cd worked
[09:20] <KeyserSoze> never seen the kernel autoload modules all by itself
[09:20] <ztonzy> Riddell, well anyone doing gnomeupdate should stay off from it, my 2 cents...I even uninstalled my k7 kernel because I did update on that too..so I thought it might be that but now I know it wasnt that !
[09:20] <keknehv> GotD0t: what did you use to configure it?
[09:21] <Zugwrack> Riddell: I am getting errors...I am thinking I need another repository added? I have main, restricted,universe,multiverse now...when I select kdebase it lists a bunch of stuff it can't find then exits without selection
[09:21] <Riddell> Zugwrack: what does it say it can't find?
[09:21] <default> keknehv: i got a package of a few live cd- normal install cds in the mail today and all the normal install ones can't find some sort of library, and my screen flickers and pentuples everything
[09:21] <GotD0t> keknehv, if you're running two differeng cards you should be able to use the XF86Config utility... although i forgot the command, there should be something in the wiki abotu it
[09:21] <Zugwrack> Riddell: Wait one...
[09:21] <jmhodges> KeyserSoze: the only thing that's loading the alsa modules is /etc/init.d/alsa
[09:22] <ztonzy> hmm
[09:22] <ztonzy> Riddell, my kde install are from "universe"
[09:22] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, do you have that repositry?
[09:22] <keknehv> default: I don't know how to help; I was just commenting. Sorry :(. Eventually I just copied some WORKING settings
[09:23] <keknehv> GotD0t: Okay, thanks. I guess I'll try that
[09:23] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes i have it...
[09:23] <Zugwrack> Riddell: Check #flood for my problem(s)
[09:23] <KeyserSoze> neway thx for trying to help
[09:23] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: I am using synaptic
[09:23] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I did that too, :)
[09:23] <KeyserSoze> I guess I'll just keep checking
[09:23] <ztonzy> slick tool :D
[09:24] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Just double checked...I still have all the listed repositories in synaptic...hmmm
[09:25] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, so what's the issue ?
[09:25] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Join #flood and check it out..
[09:25] <ztonzy> ok I am in
[09:26] <Zugwrack> You don't see my post?
[09:26] <Faustus> tell me if I install on a laptop w/ the wireless card inserted, does it get configured w/ ndiswrapper? My brother lost his ethernet  card and I installing onto his laptop!
[09:27] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, in thar room ?  post ?
[09:27] <ztonzy> that*
[09:27] <ztonzy> I see now
[09:27] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: I just did it again...you should see it now
[09:27] <ztonzy> how did you stat Synaptic ?
[09:27] <ztonzy> start*
[09:28] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: From the link in the menu
[09:28] <xhyldazhk> heyy.. how do i configure my system to create a /dev node on startup or to not use a tmpfs for /dev?
[09:28] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, ok...and you needed to type the sudo password ?
[09:28] <ztonzy> (usually main user pwd's)
[09:28] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: yes it prompted for it...
[09:29] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Let me try closing synaptic and doing su in console...then if I run apt-get install kdebase it should pick up all the needed deps no?
[09:29] <ztonzy> not su
[09:29] <ztonzy> 'sudo synaptic'
[09:29] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, yes I think so too
[09:30] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ok...
[09:30] <ztonzy> synaptic is just a apt-get frontend
[09:31] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes I know...however it bombed again with the same problem....
[09:31] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, ever had this problem before ?
[09:32] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: nope
[09:32] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: apt-get install kdebase errored with "broken packages" message
[09:33] <melazyboy> kde isn't supported with ubuntu
[09:33] <melazyboy> You will most probably have to add the debian repository
[09:33] <ztonzy> melazyboy, it is...I use it now :)
[09:33] <Riddell> melazyboy: no, it's in universe
[09:33] <Riddell> Zugwrack: tryed sudo apt-get update  ?
[09:34] <melazyboy> ztonzy: The official statement from ubuntu, was, and is, they do not have enough resources to maintain a kde distro, any kde support will be 'on the backburner' so to speak
[09:34] <Zugwrack> Riddell: No I didn't do that...
[09:34] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, if you select "Sections" in pulldownmenus...go to "KDE Desktop Enviroment (universe)" and pick kdebase...
[09:35] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ok I will check that..
[09:35] <ztonzy> melazyboy, that might be, but since my last gnome update made gnome gui all laggish I wanted to try out this...which was luck for me :)
[09:35] <ztonzy> dont know why it happened
[09:36] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, you also need to do "Reload" now and then to update all repositries
[09:36] <melazyboy> Kde might work -- and it might not, but the kde package in the debian repositiories will work, and is complete -- because adding a repositiory can't hurt, if i had errors as such i would add the repository if for nothing else than just that one package. it ensuring that all of the dependencies of the meta-containter kde-desktop are taken care of
[09:37] <gson> anyone know of a good graphical cd-burning program?
[09:37] <ztonzy> gson, k3b ? :)
[09:37] <melazyboy> k3b
[09:37] <gson> thanks
[09:37] <ztonzy> very nice
[09:38] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: I did that before trying to add kdebase in synaptic
[09:38] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, ok :)
[09:41] <xhyldazhk> how can I avoid using a tmpfs on /dev or how can i create a dev node in boot time?
[09:42] <melazyboy> the former: you can remove tpmfs from the kernel
[09:42] <ljlane> sounds like you want to configure udev instead
[09:43] <xhyldazhk> udev? well my modem is always installed as /dev/ttyLT0
[09:43] <xhyldazhk> but each time I boot i nedd to create that node manually
[09:43] <xhyldazhk> and i want to make it automatic
[09:44] <sturmkind> hello
[09:45] <Specterwulf> anyone here had problems with Warty crashing when using a prism54 based Pcmcia card?
[09:46] <Hikaru79> Can nautilus' cd burning app copy audio cd's?
[09:46] <Treenaks> Hikaru79: no
[09:46] <Treenaks> Hikaru79: not yet
[09:47] <Hikaru79> I see
[09:47] <Hikaru79> What do you reccomend instead? (besides xcdroast)?
[09:48] <sturmkind> k3b is possible but it's kde
[09:50] <xhyldazhk> nautilus cdburner doesn't work?
[09:51] <sturmkind> xhyldazhk, no it couldn't copy audio-cds :-)
[09:51] <TheCan> cdrdao works for this ;-)
[09:51] <sturmkind> (uh my bad englisch 8-)
[09:52] <sturmkind> TheCan: gnome need a programm like nero or k3b im sure :-)
[09:54] <nicnac> hi everybody
[09:54] <nicnac> are any ppc users here?
[09:54] <sturmkind> hi again nicnac ;-)
[09:54] <nicnac> *ggg*
[09:55] <sturmkind> nicnac, i think its to early into the morning *g*
[09:59] <calamari> hi
[09:59] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, how does it go ?
[10:00] <nicnac> is there anybody who has successfully installed on ppc
[10:01] <calamari> serious question.. not trolling
[10:01] <sjoerd> calamari: because some just like gnu/linux better
[10:02] <calamari> sjoerd: is there something you are missing in OS X as far as *nix support goes?
[10:03] <calamari> Or just don't like the GUI, etc?
[10:03] <sjoerd> it's not a debian system
[10:03] <sjoerd> if it breaks i don't know how to fix it
[10:03] <sjoerd> and it doesn't give me the freedom i'm used too ?
[10:03] <calamari> oic
[10:03] <Hikaru79> When using K3B, it's enough to use the 'copy cd' feature right? It
[10:03] <nicnac> that's the inevitable question, *gg* no, im fine with OSX, but just like to play around with different *nix's
[10:03] <Hikaru79> *It'll automatically detect if it's an audio or data cd?
[10:04] <Hikaru79> Or do I have to specify somewhere that this is an audio cd and should be copied as one?
[10:04] <melanie> how can i play midi files on ubuntu?
[10:04] <Hikaru79> melanie, with xmms?
[10:04] <calamari> nicnac: hehe I hear that.. I like win98, but here I am in Ubuntu :)
[10:05] <calamari> nicnac: I don't own a mac, but I do remember seeing some mac howtos on the wiki
[10:05] <nicnac> Ive had problem with the keyboard on previous linux@ppc installations. any experiences? esp. *german kbd*
[10:05] <melanie> Hikaru79: yes
[10:06] <nicnac> I had a look around several howtos etc. an im pretty sure it will install, but the keyboard is a drag
[10:06] <calamari> melanie: good question.. I installed bump-media-player but there was no midi plugin.. you had to compile it yourself and it wasn't compiling, so don't use that :)
[10:07] <calamari> err bump -> beep
[10:07] <melanie> calamari: i'll remember :)
[10:07] <calamari> I should install xmms and see if my midi daughterboard works
[10:08] <melazyboy> Does anyone know if xorg and fglrx are fixed yet?
[10:08] <calamari> can't right now though, because I'm in the middle of installing wine on dialup
[10:08] <Hikaru79> fglrx needs to be 'fixed'??
[10:09] <daniels> melazyboy: no
[10:09] <daniels> melazyboy: (as in, no it isn't)
[10:09] <melazyboy> *crys*
[10:09] <Hikaru79> So *that's* why my friends card wasn't working
[10:09] <melazyboy> Hikaru79: Fglrx isn't compatable with hoary xorg
[10:09] <im_ka> are 16bit pcmcia lan cards different to 32bit ones in shape, size?
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Oh, hoary
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Never mind
[10:10] <melazyboy> daniels: did those two links i sent you thursday help at all?
[10:11] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Sorry my wife ambushed me with something that had to be done..
[10:11] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, heh... ;)
[10:11] <ztonzy> that's the way of life
[10:12] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: yeah thats for sure...heh....  I have no idea why the packages are broken...
[10:12] <TheCan> i didnt find the source for the 2.6.8.1 kernel from ubuntu. do i need this deb-src entry for it?
[10:13] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Found another problem with Ubuntu...it thinks my printer is stopped and I can't select resume to print...
[10:13] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, there are a menu for fix broken packages in synaptic...look for it
[10:13] <im_ka> are 16bit pcmcia lan cards different to 32bit ones in shape, size?
[10:13] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ok
[10:13] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, ack! sorry, I dont use printer here lol
[10:13] <sjoerd> im_ka: the 32 bit ones are cardbus not pcmcia
[10:13] <swim> hi, is there a grub file where I can add noapic to the boot parameters?
[10:14] <giannicola> ho
[10:14] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: yeah that didn't work either
[10:14] <swim> can anyone read this?
[10:14] <Zugwrack> swim: yes
[10:14] <swim> thanks
[10:14] <calamari> is there a way to have my modem connection more equally shared between applications?  It seems like synaptic hogs all my bandwidth
[10:14] <sjoerd> im_ka: size is the same though
[10:14] <NewNick> has fglrx been patched to work with XORG yet?
[10:14] <daniels> NewNick: ni
[10:15] <im_ka> sjoerd my problem is that the 32bit card i got is not sitting firmly in the socket
[10:15] <NewNick> damn
[10:15] <ljlane> swim, try grub.conf or menu.lst in /boot/grub/
[10:15] <swim> thanks ljlane
[10:15] <swim> brb
[10:15] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, sorry, wished I knew how to help you
[10:15] <im_ka> i can unplug it w/o any resistance or using the lil button
[10:15] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Let me ask you....how do I upgrade the whole bleedin thing to Hoary?
[10:15] <giannicola> hi
[10:15] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Least that can happen is that it won't work either...
[10:16] <melazyboy> Zugwrack: s/warty/hoary/g in /etc/atp/sources.list
[10:16] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, just change name to Hoary in repositries instead of Warthy (or how it is spelled) but I wont do it
[10:16] <melazyboy> then update, and dist-upgrade in apt-get
[10:16] <giannicola> do you know where i can find the gnome theme that seem to be using an apple pc?
[10:16] <ljlane> swim: there a graphical app name grubconf too. I don't know if it's in ubuntu.
[10:16] <giannicola> and what is it's name?
[10:16] <Zugwrack> melazyboy: just like the syntax you gave?
[10:17] <melazyboy> Zugwrack: s/warty/hoary/g, is a regex, its more of a notatation replace all isntances of warty with hoary
[10:17] <calamari> is there a way to change the background color so that it isn't as bright white?
[10:18] <TheCan> calamari, right click on the desktop and click change background
[10:18] <giannicola> do you know where i can find the gnome theme that seem to be using an apple pc?
[10:18] <giannicola> and what is it's name?
[10:18] <calamari> TheCan: sorry, I mean the window backgrounds
[10:18] <calamari> TheCan: I think I need to modify a theme
[10:18] <TheCan> calamari, you need a different theme for this
[10:18] <TheCan> just get one from themes.org for example
[10:19] <TheCan> if you like the darker backgrounds like in solaris, i propose mist-solaris theme
[10:19] <calamari> can I just edit a theme for a different background color?
[10:19] <calamari> I like the windows-grey color, it doesn't hurt my eyes as much
[10:19] <TheCan> calamari, yes sure
[10:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> did Ive lost con?
[10:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> ls
[10:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> ops wrong terminal =)
[10:21] <calamari> hmm, there's Redmond95, but that has way ugly controls.. Industrial is much better :)
[10:21] <strixy> <-- New user
[10:21] <strixy> heloo
[10:22] <calamari> do you know where the themes are located?  I might try to hack one up
[10:22] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: wish me luck...be back in a little while...heh
[10:22] <strixy> I was wondering how I configure services in Ubuntu
[10:23] <TheCan> calamari, maybe ask in #gnome ?
[10:24] <calamari> 'k
[10:24] <swim> hi, Im getting a problem when booting ubuntu, I guess it boots into x I can here a little ubuntu sound and I get a black screen, but do not see gnome...
[10:24] <swim> could it be something to do with nvidia?
[10:25] <swim> I havent installed the drivers yet
[10:25] <calamari> swim: try pushing ctrl-alt minus
[10:25] <swim> calamari: when I see the black screen?
[10:25] <calamari> swim: yeah... mine was displaying an invalid video mode
[10:25] <calamari> ctrl-alt +/- change your video mode
[10:25] <swim> oh ok Ill try that...
[10:25] <Faustus> does ubuntu set up a firewall by default?
[10:26] <swim> brb thanks
[10:26] <calamari> swim: good luck
[10:28] <fissy> hiya.... how would i create a .deb package from a tar.gz archive?
[10:28] <strixy> Faustus, A. No. Reason is here -- http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/firewall
[10:29] <fissy> would be nice if firestarter were a supported package though...
[10:29] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Updating...
[10:29] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, works ?
[10:29] <Zugwrack> melazyboy: do you know if the smp kernels are available yet in Hoary?
[10:30] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: won't know for about another 14 minutes..heh
[10:30] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, hehe...how many packages ?
[10:30] <strixy> fissy. Alien, parhaps would help.Alien allows you to convert LSB, Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages
[10:30] <strixy> into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
[10:30] <strixy> It can also generate packages of any of the other formats.
[10:30] <strixy> This is a tool only suitable for binary packages.
[10:30] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: 600 using the smart selection
[10:30] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I got only 292 :)
[10:31] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes, but this is also a macintosh version...
[10:31] <swim> hi again... calamari that didnt work :(  any other ideas?
[10:31] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: So you are running Hoary, or Warty?
[10:31] <ztonzy> warty
[10:31] <Zugwrack> Ahhh
[10:32] <ztonzy> wont update to hoary until final release
[10:32] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ahhh...don't be scared..heh
[10:32] <Zugwrack> All that can happen is I will have to re-install...
[10:32] <fissy> strixy, i've installed beep 0.9.7 and some of the plugins for it from source, and i'd like to install them on a friends computer without going through the hassle of installing all the dev packages like i had to.
[10:32] <Zugwrack> Only takes about 15-20 mins on my g4
[10:32] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, I just had issues with laggy gnome, that's enough ;)
[10:33] <swim> Im getting a problem when I boot ubuntu, I think it starts x but all I get is a black screen... (I think I hear gnome starting though) help? do I need to install the nvidia drivers first?
[10:33] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes but wasn't that just trying to upgrade Gnome? and not the whole system?
[10:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: wich is you video card?
[10:33] <LinuxNT> Good day! Where to check snapshots from Ubuntu?
[10:34] <swim> _|Imanewbie|_: Ive got a geforce 4 440 I think
[10:34] <calamari> swim: nope, sorry... I'm pretty new
[10:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: I got no problems with my nvidia
[10:34] <swim> _|Imanewbie|_: you didnt install new nvidia drivers ?
[10:34] <strixy> I just migrated from FC2 and was wondering how, in Ubuntu, I can configure services. Specifically, turn daemons on at boot.
[10:34] <carbomb> Hi everyone... I am new to linux and I'm trying to install ubuntu on my PC.  I go through the install process after booting from the CD, and everything seems fine.  After the installer finishes, it asks me to remove the CD and reboot.  When I do, I only get the message "Grub Loading, Please Wait" and then the machine stops responding.  Any idea how I can resolve this?
[10:35] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, no, just some gnome parts
[10:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: Ive made the normal install and AFTER (it booted all oki) Ive installed nvdia, but my gnome worked out of of the box
[10:35] <calamari> swim: nope you don't need to install new drivers (I'm running NVidia Ti4200)
[10:35] <swim> hrmm
[10:35] <ztonzy> stupid...wouldnt do it again...basic install should be enough :P
[10:35] <LinuxNT> ...
[10:35] <swim> so what the heck is going on?
[10:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: What kind of monitor are you using?
[10:35] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: you have any idea how to update the menu(with script) to add items that don't just pop in after install?
[10:36] <swim> _|Imanewbie|_: its a laptop... lcd
[10:36] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, hmm, in Gnome main menu ?
[10:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> swim: I have no previous experiences with laptops sorry =(
[10:37] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Yes..like under games or whatever...I installed tuxkart...but it didn't add to the games menu
[10:37] <Zugwrack> ztonzy:or use the configuration editor?
[10:37] <cuga> Hey, I have accelerated ATI drivers installed, which I had to overwrite some gl libs, but now i can't apt-get anything cause it says my gl libs dependencies are unmet, how can i make it not look at tha package?
[10:38] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, no I dont...I am not that long time linux user...but if you knew where it is installed you could just rightclick in menu add it yourself
[10:38] <ztonzy> quite easy in gnome 2.8
[10:38] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Ok...Mandrake has a little script update-menus..that addresses this small problem
[10:39] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, gnome or kde ?
[10:39] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: kde
[10:39] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, yepp...I think I have seen it once or so
[10:40] <swim> can anyone help? I boot ubuntu, but instead of getting gnome I get a black screen, and can hear gnome starting...  (Im on a laptop btw)
[10:40] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: however I am about 45 packages away from crashing horribly or being upgraded to a Hoary..heh
[10:40] <Zugwrack> BRB
[10:40] <ztonzy> lol
[10:40] <carbomb> Hi everyone... I am new to linux and I'm trying to install ubuntu on my PC.  I go through the install process after booting from the CD, and everything seems fine.  After the installer finishes, it asks me to remove the CD and reboot.  When I do, I only get the message "Grub Loading, Please Wait" and then the machine stops responding.  Any idea how I can resolve this?
[10:41] <sebb> I have problems installing alsa 1.0.7, saying that I don't have my kernel sources, while I have them
[10:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: Maybe, 90% sure your grub is crashed, I would suggest you to try boot from a floppy disk
[10:42] <ztonzy> carbomb, dualboot with windows xp ?
[10:42] <strixy> Question? Is there a GUI system config tool in Ubuntu?
[10:42] <strixy> or am I editing by hand?
[10:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> strixy: Wich kind of config? You have gnome gui
[10:44] <carbomb> Imanewbie: OK, is there a GRUB boot floppy I can download?  ztonzy: No dual boot... ubuntu is the only thing on the HD... the installer automatically partitioned the entire drive.
[10:45] <ztonzy> carbomb, sometimes when i have had problems I set hd's to LBA in BIOS
[10:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: Did you mess up your partitiosn right?
[10:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[10:46] <the_stick> Hi
[10:46] <carbomb> ztonzy: I can check the BIOS and try that.  Will I have to reinstall the OS, or should just changing it to LBA work?
[10:46] <the_stick> what's the command to copy a file in the terminal?
[10:46] <carbomb> Imanewbie: I didn't manually do anything to the partitions... I just let the ubuntu setup cd do its thing automatically.
[10:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> ops
[10:47] <Vince-0> sup
[10:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can I close a tab on irsii?
[10:47] <carbomb> Imanewbie: I didn't manually do anything to the partitions... I just let the ubuntu setup cd do its thing automatically
[10:47] <Vince-0> dunno
[10:47] <strixy> Imanewbie: I'm looking to edit system config files for services. I'm in Gnome.
[10:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> strixy: wich kind of service?
[10:48] <strixy> specifically? LAMP
[10:48] (EfaistOs/#ubuntu) how to refresh the desktop ? i have downloaded some jpeg on desktop but they dont appear *
[10:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: didnt you install grub during the commom installing process?
[10:48] <strixy> Apache, Mysql, PHP
[10:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> strixy: I think you dont havea guy for it by default
[10:49] <carbomb> imanewbie: GRUB wsa installed during the Ubuntu setup process, but it didn't give me any options to set.  It was handled automatically by the installer.
[10:49] <apoka> debmod in ubuntu?
[10:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: so the problem is grub inst there or your windows partition is missing?
[10:49] <strixy> is there something post-install I can look for or should I just start hacking init.d
[10:51] <the_stick> whats the command ?
[10:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> carbomb: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-legacy-support.en.html here you can have grub support, faq and howtos
[10:51] <the_stick> I want to copy a file from /home/Desktop to /etc/X11/gdm
[10:51] <swoon> is there a tool to configure X? like monitor and stuff?
[10:52] <strixy> carbomb: are you trying to install Ubuntu as a dual-boot with Win?
[10:52] <the_stick> any kind person willing to help ?
[10:52] <carbomb> strixy: It shouldn't have a windows partition.  No dual boot, just ubuntu.
[10:53] <rapha> the_stick: "sudo cp /home/Desktop/my/file /etc/X11/gdm"
[10:53] <strixy> (I can't remember, help me a sec) Did Ubuntu allow you to install GRUB to your MBR?
[10:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I register my nickname on irc?
[10:53] <swoon> ... hmm anyone?
[10:54] <rapha> strixy: Well, mine is there. Not sure if it got there by way of the Ubuntu installer though.
[10:54] <Faustus> thnks strixy
[10:54] <strixy> NP :)
[10:54] <carbomb> strixy: it didn't give me any options at all for installing GRUB.  The only thing I had to do in the ubuntu installer was pick country, language, and tell it to automatically partition my drives.
[10:54] <giannicola> hi
[10:55] <giannicola> today in italy was LINUX DAY
[10:55] <giannicola> fantastic!
[10:55] <bwlang> giannicola: every day is linux day in my house ;)  did you help anyboy install ubuntu?
[10:55] <strixy> carbomb: How are you online now? (2nd box?)
[10:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> wee registered my nick
[10:56] <giannicola> yes
[10:56] <carbomb> strixy: I am using the version of ubuntu that runs off of CD-ROM and doesn't require an install.
[10:56] <giannicola> and we made troubleshooting
[10:56] <giannicola> very very crowded
[10:56] <giannicola> and tomorrow install fest!
[10:57] <strixy> carbomb: What type of processor, mobo and HD are you using?
[10:58] <apoka> debmod in ubuntu
[10:58] <apoka> ?
[10:58] <apoka> howto
[10:58] <apoka> ?
[10:58] <Quest-Master> KMid isn't working for me at all :(
[10:58] <carbomb> strixy: Intel P4 2.8ghz, some intel MB (not sure of model) Maxtor 120GB hd.  Using the ubuntu 4.10 install CD that came in the mail yesterday.
[10:59] <Quest-Master> It says it can't get access to /dev/sequencer and that their might me another program running it
[10:59] <Quest-Master> But there isn't
[10:59] <Quest-Master> And, I tried running it as su
[11:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I close a chat tab on irsii?
[11:02] <Xenguy> _|Imanewbie|_: /unq
[11:02] <Xenguy> _|Imanewbie|_: mnemonic -> unquery
[11:02] <Quest-Master> Anyone have any idea why it won't work?
[11:03] <swim> can anyone tell me how to turn off start X at boot?
[11:04] <Xenguy> swim: I bet that is a FAQ by now, but one way is to apt-get install rcconf, then use rcconf to turn off gdm startup at boot
[11:05] <swim> Iknow that there is a gdm file somewhere that you can just rename and it will stop loading at boot
[11:05] <swim> I just dont know where
[11:05] <Xenguy> /etc/init.d/gdm
[11:05] <swim> ah thanks
[11:05] <Xenguy> swim: yw
[11:06] <strixy> carbomb: I'm wondering what would happen if you were to try "grub-install /dev/hda" from your current environment and then try to install.
[11:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> daamm /nickserv identify doesnt work
[11:06] <bwlang> swim: it's not generally a good idea to just delete files...   you might want to have a look at update-rc.d
[11:06] <Quest-Master> _|Imanewbie|_: Try /ns IDENTIFY
[11:06] <egon_spengler> _|Imanewbie|_: Try /msg nickserv identify
[11:07] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: Whew....made it...doesn't look like anything is broken...
[11:07] <carbomb> strixy: hold on, I'll give that a try.
[11:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> egon_spengler: thanks it worked =)
[11:07] <ztonzy> Zugwrack, yay
[11:07] <ztonzy> :)
[11:08] <egon_spengler> NP _|Imanewbie|_
[11:08] <carbomb> strixy:  root@ubuntu:/home/warty # grub-install /dev/hda
[11:08] <carbomb> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[11:08] <carbomb> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[11:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I close tabs on irsii I promisse this time I will take note =)
[11:09] <carbomb> I am running off the LiveCD, and it looks like when I do it puts the HDA in read-only mode.  I'm not sure if that is what caused this error.
[11:09] <egon_spengler> _|Imanewbie|_: Are you through with that window?
[11:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> solved =)
[11:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> egon_spengler: yes
[11:10] <egon_spengler> try /part
[11:10] <strixy> It's reading your CD as HDa
[11:10] <strixy> not your harddrive
[11:10] <strixy> I guess that
[11:10] <strixy> 's to be expected
[11:11] <carbomb> I don't know strixy... when I access HDA, the drive light goes on.
[11:11] <Hikaru79> Is there any sort of app that will allow more than one program to use the sound card at once? At the moment, if I have a program like cgoban running, .avi's will run without sound and vice versa
[11:11] <Hikaru79> Any workaround?
[11:11] <strixy> What extension is it giving your HD?
[11:11] <strixy> HDb?
[11:11] <carbomb> HDA1
[11:13] <bwlang> Hikaru79: alsa has support for something called dmix that will do what you want ... but you could also use arts (kde) or esd (gnome) or nasd, or jack... etc.
[11:13] <Gwildor> umm, guys, ctrl-H isnt working, i cant unhide files....hoary
[11:14] <tseng> view - hidden files works
[11:14] <Zugwrack> Hey I need some help...I don't understand why after I mount one of my firewire hard drive partitions..the first tree node under the partition is rwx..but then the node underneath that is mounted read only?
[11:15] <Gwildor> thank you, any idea why ctrl-h doesnt work tseng ?
[11:15] <xzgv> hile_, is it true there is no 'modconf' in the ubuntu repositories?
[11:15] <xzgv> i meant hi
[11:15] <Zugwrack> Example... Albums is the main directory...under that are all the individual album music for a given artist...these are all marked read only??
[11:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> xzgv: try adding universe
[11:16] <xzgv> add universe to the repositories?
[11:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> go to your sorces.list and add universe to it
[11:16] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: I am updating to KDE in Hoary as I type...heh
[11:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> xzgv: yes
[11:16] <xzgv> thanks a lot bud
[11:17] <Zugwrack> ztonzy: was is necessary for you to reboot after install...or just log out?
[11:18] <Gwildor> i cant install hoary....missing some dependancies
[11:18] <Gwildor> err....kde
[11:18] <Gwildor> kde in hoary
[11:18] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: I am doing it right now...
[11:18] <Zugwrack> some packages seem to be broken...just select kdebase and see what happens...your mileage will vary from there..
[11:19] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, i need kdeaddons  kdegraphics  kdeutils
[11:19] <Gwildor> oh...ok
[11:19] <Quest-Master> KMid >:
[11:19] <Nap_> good evening
[11:20] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, good, i feel better about that ne ways...less K stuff to install
[11:20] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: Give me a sec to see what happens...it is still installing my packages I selected...
[11:20] <king_arthur> Nap_: Hi
[11:20] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, too late...installing now
[11:20] <Nap_> I have a problem with ndiswrapper
[11:20] <Nap_> mahe:/home/francois# modprobe ndiswrapper
[11:20] <Nap_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[11:20] <Zugwrack> Gwildor: ;->))
[11:21] <Gwildor> Zugwrack, good luck.....ill ttyl..............brb
[11:21] <Nap_> Is it a problem with the k7 kernel ?
[11:21] <bob2> Nap_: reinstall whatever package it came from
[11:21] <calamari> anyone using wine with Ubuntu?  Just installed it and it's getting Seg faults, even on sol.exe
[11:22] <Nap_> bob2: the kernel module is shiped with the kernel package
[11:22] <bob2> Nap_: no it's not
[11:22] <bob2> I mean, I really hope we're not actually including ndiswrapper in the default kernels
[11:22] <Nap_> the only ndiswrapper package is ndiswrapper-utils which provide the user space utilities
[11:23] <bob2> ouch
[11:23] <Zugwrack> Well it appears that kcontrol package is broken...it is erroring out...and deselecting it won't let the install of kde complete
[11:23] <Riddell> Gwildor: hoary seems to have a strange mix of KDE 3.2 and KDE 3.3
[11:23] <Zugwrack> Riddell: Any sage words of advice for me?
[11:24] <Riddell> Gwildor: my packages fill in the gaps "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[11:24] <Nap_> bob2: look at the file list of the kernel package
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl: "Forgive me father for i have sinned."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"What have you done my child?"
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"I called a man a son of a *bleep*."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Why did you call him a son of a *bleep*."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Because he touched my hand."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Like this?" (as he touches her hand)
[11:24] <Nap_> /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Yes father."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"That`s no reason to call a man of a son of a *bleep*."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Then he touched my bleep."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Like this?" (as he touches her bleep)
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Yes father."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"That`s no reason to call him a son of a *bleep*."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Girl:"Then he took off my clothes, father."
[11:24] <PorscheBoy> Priest:"Like this?" (as he takes off her clothes)
[11:24] <Riddell> Zugwrack: if you're using hoary try my packages
[11:24] <Zugwrack> Riddell: Can you send them..or point me where to get them?
[11:24] <Zugwrack> Riddell: It shouldn't matter that I am using PPC?
[11:25] <Riddell> Zugwrack: ah, they're not compiled for ppc
[11:25] <Zugwrack> Riddell: now that is a bummer...yep I upgraded to Hoary..and the only package not to work is kcontrol...I can't get the darn thing installed
[11:25] <Nap_> so does someone have heard of a problem with the ndiswrapper module of the k7 kernel ?
[11:33] <melazyboy> did PorscheBoy get a perma ban?
[11:34] <melazyboy> Ha thats funny
[11:34] <melazyboy> only a nick ban
[11:35] <bob2> what's the point of banning a dyamic ip?
[11:36] <daniels> and *!*PorscheBo@*.ne.client2.attbi.com is pointless, 'cause he'll just change his username
[11:36] <bob2> plus I've seen a moron by that nick before
[11:36] <siimo> hi is there a CLI command to check memory usage that will show the value that gkrellm shows? (not top)
[11:36] <ik5pvx> vmstat?
[11:37] <melazyboy> bob2: Not saying there is a point, you should probably go ahead and ban any nick with a car manufacture embedded in it... stupid car fanatics
[11:38] <melazyboy> there all irritating anyway
[11:41] <jmhodges> thats odd..
[11:42] <jmhodges> i have a dvdom and a cdrw on this machine.. but ubuntu only shows the dvdrom..
[11:42] <Quest-Master> I am going to kill myself unless I find a freaking solution to fixing KMid
[11:42] <Quest-Master> x_x
[11:43] <jmhodges> the cdrw turns on its "active" light .. but leaves it on..
[11:43] <jmhodges> i can burn to it, but i can't mount it
[11:43] <jmhodges> it works fine in the windows partition i have set up
[11:43] <ernie> hello all
[11:44] <TheCan> re
[11:44] <TheCan> damn..where can i get the ubuntu kernel source from?
[11:44] <Cualti> Hello, I am new to Ubuntu Linux and I was wondering if there is a command you can execute to strip down the system? I dont need everything Ubuntu has to offer
[11:44] <davmor2> hi guys a newbie here I would like to install NVIDIA's own drivers but how do I exit x and have a runlevel 3 so i can install them and is there any benefit
[11:44] <bob2> TheCan: from the ubuntu archive
[11:45] <bob2> apt-get install linux-source-2.6
[11:45] <bob2> Cualti: do a custom install
[11:45] <TheCan> but do i get then really 2.6.8.1 ?
[11:45] <bob2> davmor2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:45] <bob2> switching to runlevel 3 does nothing, this is not redhat
[11:45] <Cualti> Ive already installed everything
[11:45] <bob2> TheCan: erm, yes?
[11:45] <bob2> Cualti: then uninstall stuff with apt./aptitude/dselect
[11:46] <TheCan> bob2, ok, thx!
[11:46] <Cualti> thanks
[11:46] <bob2> there's no simple way for aptitude to guess what you want to install
[11:47] <Zugwrack> Who in here is involved with Ubuntu development for Hoary?
[11:48] <moj0rising> would anyone here know why I get the message "failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic as user root:...
[11:48] <bob2> lots of people
[11:48] <moj0rising> ...CHild terminated with 1 status"
[11:48] <moj0rising> when I try to run synaptic?
[11:48] <bob2> melazyboy: hint: when asking a question, provide detail so it's possibel to answer at all
[11:48] <ernie> hey -- newbeee here.....I installed Warty - it did not give me a chance to dual boot my Win disc
[11:48] <Zugwrack> bob2: I just wanted to report on Hoary for PPC since there aren't many running NewWorld Mac
[11:48] <bob2> for instance, say a) how you're running it, b) what you've done to your system lately, c) what version of ubuntu
[11:48] <bob2> ernie: it should have detected it
[11:49] <bob2> Zugwrack: there are lots of us running new world macs
[11:49] <ernie> bob2:  I know, but it didn't....so how do I get into Win on hd0,0??
[11:49] <Zugwrack> bob2: Well then why don't you reply when questions are asked...for example...regarding Warty
[11:49] <Zugwrack> I have an external Firewire drive that wouldn't load the partitions at boot time...
[11:49] <bob2> Zugwrack: sorry I don't read every single line ever said in this channel
[11:50] <bob2> I'm a terrible person
[11:50] <Zugwrack> bob2: I am not attempting to infer that you do...
[11:50] <ernie> don't take it so hard, bob2
[11:50] <bob2> ernie: you need to edit /boot/grub.lst or so, the format is pretty obvious from the other sections in there
[11:50] <davmor2> bob2 can you help me please i would like to know how to exit x and have a runlevel of 3 so I can install nvidia drivers
[11:50] <bob2> Zugwrack: 'Well then why don't you reply when questions are asked'
[11:51] <Cualti> you have to edit /etc/inittab
[11:51] <bob2> davmor2: 08:45:30           bob2 | davmor2: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:51] <Cualti> and set the runlevel to 3
[11:51] <bob2> Cualti: no you don't
[11:51] <ernie> ah ha -- I tried, but the "no root password" thingy kept stopping me
[11:51] <bob2> please don't give people horribly broken advice
[11:51] <bob2> davmor2: 08:45:37           bob2 | switching to runlevel 3 does nothing, this is not redhat
[11:51] <Zugwrack> Usually one expects some response when a channel question such as "Is anyone here running PPC" is asked...I do I have been here most of the day..and when I have good information based on my limited knowledge of *nix I do offer it..
[11:51] <bob2> Zugwrack: no, that's stupid
[11:52] <bob2> since having 20 people say "I run it on ppc!" would make everyone's screens scroll by 20 lines for no reason
[11:52] <davmor2> bob2 i did shutdown -H to get out of x and it said i had a runlevel of 1 and it need to be 3
[11:52] <bob2> you ask your question and then if someone knows, they will answer
[11:52] <daniels> (and then no-one knows why FireWire is broken in this particular case anyway)
[11:52] <bob2> davmor2: no, read the actual wiki page I told you about
[11:52] <bob2> you do not need to be in level 3
[11:52] <davmor2> bob2 but ta for the wiki info
[11:53] <TheCan> bob2, where does the package put the source?
[11:53] <bob2> TheCan: /usr/sbin/
[11:53] <amer_> where can i set my network card to use half-duplex instead of full-duplex in ubuntu?
[11:53] <bob2> er, /usr/src/
[11:53] <Zugwrack> bob2: My intention is not to be contentious with anyone...I have asked questions pertinent to PPC noting that is the case since this is a mixed group...sorry you feel that kind of question is stupid...
[11:53] <bob2> amer_: mii-tool might be able to do it
[11:53] <TheCan> i dont see it there :7
[11:53] <bob2> Zugwrack: it's highly annoying and wasteful, and 90% of the time quesionts are not arch-specific
[11:53] <bob2> TheCan: dpkg -L linux-source-2.6.8.1
[11:54] <TheCan> bob2, ah i see
[11:54] <TheCan> it doesnt unpack the source
[11:55] <bob2> right
[11:55] <Zugwrack> bob2: Here is the question then... When using Warty and adding the appropriate entries to fstab...it woulb bomb out and say it could not mount special filesystem /dev/sdb9 for example... Why?
[11:55] <usual> is their a 2.6.9 kernel image in hoary? I see a few 2.6.9 packages but no image
[11:55] <bob2> Zugwrack: this is the sort of thing you can investigate.
[11:55] <burtie> hello, is the package ubuntu-desktop really needed?
[11:55] <bob2> Zugwrack: is /dev/sdb9 correct?  does a manual mount work?
[11:55] <amer_> bob2, how do i check if it works? ifconfig wont show what duplex im running
[11:56] <bob2> amer_: mii-tool.
[11:56] <bob2> burtie: it is needed if you want smooth upgrades in the future
[11:57] <bob2> usual: kernel-source is a Debian kernel, not a Ubuntu one
[11:57] <Zugwrack> bob2: Of course it did...I also noted that in the orignial post..it looked like to me that the /dev/sdb wasn't being intialized before the call was made to read fstab...this is just a guess since my experience with Linux in general is limited..
[11:58] <bob2> Zugwrack: another tip is to ask "how do I ...?" questions instead of long complicated stories about how things you've tried aren't working
[11:58] <burtie> how does it help upgrades, am new to this world
[11:58] <bob2> Zugwrack: for example, in this case, just having the firewire drive plugged in should have it get mounted by gnome-volume-manager automatically
[11:58] <bob2> burtie: by ensuring you get new ubuntu desktop-system packages in future
[11:58] <bob2> burtie: if you don't understand, just leave it installed
[11:59] <amer_> bob2, my internet seems  very slow, i get low ms to hosts i ping, but it takes forever to ping them