[12:03] <daniels> errrrrrr ...
[12:04] <daniels> (hoary-chroot)daniels@davis:~/kernel/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1.4 $ grep '#include' /usr/include/asm/setup.h
[12:04] <daniels> #include <asm-m68k/setup.h>
[12:07] <daniels> powerpc is screwed!
[12:07] <daniels> (hoary-chroot)daniels@davis:~/kernel/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.8.1-2.6.8.1.4 $ zgrep 'setup.h' Contents-powerpc.gz | grep asm
[12:07] <daniels> usr/include/asm/setup.h                                     devel/linux-kernel-headers
[12:07] <daniels> usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3/include/asm-ppc/setup.h     devel/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3
[12:07] <sivang> anybody know if GNOME samba gui interface borked?
[12:07] <sivang> it seems to not be able to find me workgroup anymore
[12:08] <seb128> which app ?
[12:08] <sivang> seb128 : when doing network://
[12:09] <seb128> which version of samba and libgnomevfs2-0 ?
[12:09] <sivang> seb128 : will tell you in a sec.
[12:10] <sivang> seb128 : libgnomevfs2-0 :  2.8.3-5ubuntu1 
[12:10] <mdz> daniels: there's a bug in bugzilla about that, iirc
[12:11] <sivang> seb128 : ii  samba          3.0.7-1ubuntu6 a LanManager-like file and printer server fo
[12:11] <sivang> ii  samba-common   3.0.7-1ubuntu6 Samba common files used by both the server a
[12:11] <sivang> seb128 : I am using samba from warty, hoary one borked completly on me..
[12:11] <seb128> sivang: do you have a /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so ?
[12:11] <mdz> daniels: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2728
[12:12] <sivang> seb128 : -rw-r--r--  1 root root 23700 2004-11-25 15:09 /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so
[12:12] <seb128> sivang: ok, that's ok (gnomevfs was bugged due to samba some time ago)
[12:12] <seb128> sivang: so dunno
[12:12] <daniels> mdz: *twitch*
[12:14] <sivang> seb128 : maybe I should have installed the libgnomevfs from warty as well, to allow it to work with samba of hoary?
[12:15] <seb128> sivang: that mean switching all the GNOME package to the warty version, good luck
[12:15] <sivang> seb128 : ahhhhh
[12:15] <sivang> seb128 : :-)
[12:15] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I'll make it work , for real now.
[12:50] <sivang> seb128 : do you know anything of authentication problem with nautilus when accessing shares with user authentication on samba?
[12:50] <seb128> basically samba support is crap
[12:58] <seb128> alex doesn't know a lot about samba and has not windows network to test it
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : who's alex?
[12:58] <seb128> s/not/no/
[12:58] <seb128> the gnomevfs main hackers
[12:58] <seb128> and the nautilus maintainer too
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : ok, they hang on the gnome-love || gnome-hackers? Where can I bug them? :)
[12:58] <seb128> bug alex about what ?
[12:58] <seb128> send any patch on the list
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : help them test ask them about the bugs etc..
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I will. tnx :)
[12:58] <seb128> sivang: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-vfs-list/2004-November/msg00010.html
[12:58] <seb128> you can read the recent thread
[12:58] <sivang> seb128 : tnx again!
[12:58] <seb128> np
[12:58] <seb128> s/the/this/
[12:59] <sivang> seb128 : the strange thing here, that it's missing the authentication dialog when tying to log on into one, but when I right click the share, the auth dialog suddenly appreas, however the right menu prevents you from doing any typing in the auth dialog , so I figured this may have something to do with nautilus gui or it's communication with smb auth.
[12:59] <seb128> no idea...
[12:59] <sivang> seb128 : then the right mouse button menu stays on, and I need to do killall nautilus to get a gold back of my desktop.
[01:00] <sivang> seb128 : ok, I'll write that list maybe
[01:04] <daniels> elmo: please install l-k-h from ~daniels/l-k-h in davis's hoary chroot
[01:04] <daniels> elmo: (scared yet?)
[01:04] <elmo> err, why?
[01:05] <daniels> elmo: because asm/setup.h includes asm-m68k/setup.h, which funnily enough doesn't exist on powerpc
[01:05] <daniels> elmo: (creating a hoary-crack chroot may be useful)
[01:07] <mdz> daniels: what's this for?
[01:07] <daniels> mdz: remember the bug you just assigned me?
[01:08] <daniels> at least, I think you did
[01:08] <daniels> yes, you did.
[01:08] <daniels> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2728
[01:09] <daniels> asm-ppc/setup.h is just #include asm-m68k/setup.h, basically, so I pretty much just inlined it
[01:09] <daniels> ditto traps.h, which was in the same situation
[01:12] <daniels> but yes, if I can get l-k-h fixed, then I can test the l-r-m build on powerpc
[01:12] <daniels> and close a bug while I'm at it, at 0013 on Saturday night
[01:14] <elmo> so how is inlining it the right fix?
[01:14] <elmo> or are you not actually trying to fix 2728?
[01:15] <daniels> do you have a better idea?
[01:15] <elmo> did you read the bug?
[01:15] <elmo> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2728#c3
[01:15] <mdz> daniels: yes, but you mentioned it well before that
[01:16] <mdz> daniels: before you knew about that bug, apparently
[01:16] <daniels> elmo: i'm working on the least-invasive principle
[01:16] <daniels> mdz: yes, this is for l-r-m (madwifi is perfectly capable of building on both powerpc and amd64)
[01:17] <mdz> hmm, so it is
[01:17] <mdz> there's a bug about the amd64 half of that
[01:18] <mdz> you can have that one, too, since you're working on it anyway
[01:18] <daniels> mdz: yes, which is marked as being closed in the changelog; you can d.s@c.c/PENDINGUPLOAD it if you like
[01:18] <daniels> yeah, amd64 already works (sitting in concordia:~daniels)
[01:19] <daniels> s/works/builds ok/
[01:22] <daniels> mdz: are you happy with elmo/herbert's suggestion?
[01:22] <daniels> elmo: thankyou for your input
[01:23] <bob2> (*cough*2.6.9.*cough*)
[01:23] <daniels> bob2: look at the lkh version number
[01:34] <Matt|> hey bob2 you guys got a tv in that house?
[01:34] <Matt|> you should check out channel 3 - english c-list celebrities in the australian bush being idiots
[01:34] <bob2> um, yeah
[01:35] <elmo> kdelibs4-dev | ubuntu-artwork
[01:35] <elmo> *BOGGLE*
[01:35] <bob2> hahha
[01:40] <GotD0t> anybody know why after upgrading to hoary my system is slow as hell?
[01:40] <mojo> has anyone seen pitti recently?
[01:40] <mojo> GotD0t: it's normal, it's still buggy
[01:40] <bob2> GotD0t: install ubuntu-desktop
[01:40] <Matt|> GotD0t, have you installed gamin?
[01:41] <GotD0t> Matt|, whats that?
[01:41] <Matt|> GotD0t, it is a replacement for fam, which is removed
[01:41] <Matt|> ?
[01:41] <GotD0t> Matt|, no i haven't
[01:41] <GotD0t> Matt|, is that why?
[01:41] <Matt|> yup probably
[01:42] <Matt|> daniels needs a hug
[01:42] <GotD0t> bob2: whats ubuntu-desktop
[01:42] <GotD0t> why Matt|
[01:42] <Matt|> his quit message
[01:42] <bob2> GotD0t: a package you should have installed
[01:42] <GotD0t> bob2, will it help?
[01:42] <bob2> GotD0t: yes, it will bring in gamin
[01:43] <GotD0t> Matt|, after installing gamin do i need to do anythign else?
[01:43] <Matt|> nope
[01:43] <Matt|> *laughs* ubuntu-desktop installs 61 new packages on my system
[01:45] <GotD0t> it wanted to remove fglrx-control and fglrx-driver... somehow that seems wrong
[01:45] <bob2> meh
[01:45] <bob2> or just install gamin
[01:45] <Matt|> ;)
[01:45] <GotD0t> i did bob2 
[01:47] <Matt|> perhaps gamin should be brought in by another package as well as ubuntu-desktop
[01:47] <GotD0t> Matt|, perhaps it should be brought in along with the upgrade
[01:47] <Matt|> that's what i mean
[01:47] <bob2> if you remove ubuntu-desktop, you need to do this stuff manually
[01:48] <GotD0t> Matt|, yea... because it was ridiculously slow... i couldn't burn a CD and talk to someone in gaim at the same time
[01:48] <Matt|> hmm... i think its naive to expect everyone to put up with all the packages in ubuntu-desktop. However EVERYONE needs gamin right?
[01:48] <bob2> no
[01:48] <Matt|> well all gnome users anyway
[01:48] <bob2> only people using ubuntu desktops ;-)
[01:48] <Matt|> grrr damn you and your deliberate obtuseness
[01:48] <bob2> there could be a good reason to install it, somehow
[01:49] <Matt|> :p
[01:49] <GotD0t> any of you know why I cannot run 3D games after my upgrade?
[01:49] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:49] <Matt|> GotD0t, 3d graphics acceleration is not workin
[01:49] <Matt|> you need to get that working
[01:49] <GotD0t> well it crashes X
[01:50] <Matt|> GotD0t, probably you should remove fglrx-control and fglrx-driver like it said ;)
[01:50] <GotD0t> Matt|, really?
[01:50] <GotD0t> Matt|, ok
[01:50] <Matt|> GotD0t, wait for confirmation from someone else
[01:50] <GotD0t> Matt|, oops...
[01:51] <Matt|> GotD0t, what is your graphics card?
[01:51] <GotD0t> Matt|, 9700 Pro
[01:51] <Matt|> what make
[01:51] <GotD0t> ATI
[01:51] <Matt|> i think that xorg has its own drivers and so you won't need those non-free ones, but i'm not 100%
[01:52] <GotD0t> well i hope so
[01:52] <GotD0t> i installed xserver-xorg... do i need to restart X?
[01:52] <Matt|> you haven't done that yet?
[01:52] <Matt|> reboot the whole thing after a major upgrade is probably not a bad idfea
[01:53] <Matt|> cross your fingers tho
[01:53] <GotD0t> Matt|, well would you consider xserver-xorg to be a major upgrade?
[01:53] <Matt|> GotD0t, you've just upgraded to hoary?
[01:53] <GotD0t> Matt|, not today...
[01:53] <GotD0t> Matt|, i had already rebooted after upgrading
[01:53] <Matt|> well xorg comes with hoary
[01:54] <GotD0t> well xorg-common was installed with it
[01:54] <GotD0t> but not xserver-xorg
[01:54] <Matt|> ok restart x
[01:54] <GotD0t> k
[02:37] <daniels> elmo: please install l-k-h b-ds in concordia chroot, comment on proposed 2728 fix, and install package in davis:~daniels/l-k-h to chroot if sensible.
[03:41] <GotD0t> anybody have dual-head configured for hoary?
[05:19] <tseng> holy crap, new monthly pr0n update
[05:20] <tseng> s/crap/craaack
[07:27] <calc> anyone happen to know about the ide chipset driver loading late issue on ubuntu warty?
[08:39] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:40] <calc> fabbione: hi
[11:47] <Matt|> mjg59, around by any chance?
[12:36] <jdub> thom: around?
[12:42] <Kamion> any reason we don't have "install gamin" in HoaryUpgradeNotes? we just say to remove fam and portmap
[12:53] <Keybuk> Kamion: dep of ubuntu-desktop
[12:59] <Kamion> Keybuk: see #ubuntu, HoaryUpgradeNotes should document things for people who don't have ubuntu-desktop installed too
[01:00] <Keybuk> ah
[01:11] <daniels> gnar
[01:11] <daniels> mdz: it appears that Synaptics touchpads happily respond to ALPS queries
[01:11] <daniels> mdz: as well as normal Logitech mice
[01:11] <daniels> mdz: i'm very much inclined to just ditch synaptics-alps-support.dpatch
[01:15] <sivang> Kamion : is a daily iso of hoary suitable for laptop install? :) what's state is it in?
[01:15] <Kamion> sivang: you can try, but I haven't tested since the last big round of changes
[01:15] <Kamion> still in flux
[01:15] <Kamion> feel free to use it if you don't mind if it breaks :)
[01:16] <sivang> Kamion : ok, well, then I'll install warty and upgrade, this path I already taken and familiar with :)
[01:47] <mvo_> amu: the kde-3.3.1-2 FTBFS seems to be fixable with a additonal b-d on "libxinerama-dev"
[01:47] <daniels> mvo_: don't forget libxau-dev and libxdmcp-dev also, iirc
[01:48] <daniels> i sent a mail about it, but used the wrong From, blah
[01:48] <mvo_> daniels: so it awaits moderation now?
[01:48] <daniels> yah
[01:49] <mvo_> who is doing the moderation? mako?
[01:49] <daniels> jdub, iirc
[01:49] <daniels> i'll just send another one with the right from
[01:51] <amu> mvo_: nope, you've to apply many selfwritten patches
[01:51] <daniels> amu: ... what?
[01:52] <daniels> you need to revert the debian-pic-shlibs patch or whatever it is
[01:52] <daniels> but that and proper build-deps should do it
[01:52] <amu> daniels: name of some of your xlib changed :)  
[01:52] <daniels> yes, so just delete debian/patches/debian-pic-shlibs.patch, or whatever it is
[01:53] <amu> daniels: not such easy
[01:53] <daniels> how not?
[01:55] <Matt|> guys I can't boot either the new 2.6.8.1 kernel in hoary, nor the 2.6.9 test kernel. I get a kernel panic straight away, with vfs error, unable to mount root on unknown block (0,0) or something similar. can someone help me with my grub?
[01:56] <bob2> configure grub to use an initrd
[01:57] <Matt|> bob2, problem is that i don't understand the grub config for this 2.6.9 kernel
[01:57] <bob2> it will be the same as for the 2.6.8.1 one
[01:57] <bob2> but with a different number at the end
[01:58] <Matt|> bob2, the 2.6.9 line is commented out and it says in the wiki to leave it commented out
[01:58] <Matt|> its really weird
[01:58] <Matt|> can i PM you the menu.lst?
[01:58] <bob2> #flood
[01:58] <bob2> and this is a #ubuntu thing
[02:06] <amu> daniels: i still got some errors ex. on kdm, the fast solution for me was, not to use kdm. Sure if you invest some work in it, you can fix them, but i've total no time for it now.   
[02:06] <daniels> amu: kdm needs libxau-dev and libxdmcp-dev
[02:07] <amu> daniels: and probably it was cause haggai said, he'll fix it.
[02:07] <amu> daniels: yeah you told me this before ;)
[02:09] <amu> daniels: sure it's a easy part, which someone must invest, but why i should fix it, i'm overloaded with work, it works for me, and haggai takes care about it, why i should invest my limited time for it? I just said in my mail, it isnt such easy you can solve the problem in 5min, cause of xorg 
[02:10] <Keybuk> rofl
[02:10] <Keybuk> Been using Sun's Java Desktop System as my day to day machine. It's surprisingly decent. Basically GNOME with alot of purple
[02:10] <haggai> amu: btw I'm sitting in the same room as daniels at the moment :)
[02:11] <amu> daniels: give haggai a clout from me :) 
[02:12] <Matt|> *laughs*
[02:12] <daniels> amu: dude, OOo takes longer to build than X
[02:12] <daniels> amu: there's no way I'm punishing the poor bastard further
[02:13] <amu> daniels: *g*   
[02:13] <amu> daniels: nope i packages kde before, and if i cant solve it in 5min. you cannot do it also :) so if i say you need some time, you need it 
[02:14] <daniels> i know a little about packaging kde ...
[02:14] <amu> yeah i know ;) 
[02:14] <amu> we bat a pizza ? 
[02:14] <amu> s/bat/bet
[02:15] <amu> aehm let say a nice dinner in spain 
[02:17] <amu> daniels: ok? that a deal?  
[02:17] <amu> haggai: he started? 
[02:22] <haggai> amu: I'm making a chroot...
[03:18] <ogra> guys....i am playing with a simplified services tool but i am nit sure what should be in the list of manageable services.... any suggestions ? : http://www.grawert.net/services.png
[03:19] <sivang> ogra : looks nice, you're working on it?
[03:20] <ogra> yes, currently....it has no backend...
[03:20] <ogra> i am not sure if ssh should be in there
[03:21] <sivang> ogra : oh well, the backend part could be relatively easy to implement, couple of calls to /etc/init.d/<service> {stop|restart|start} ?
[03:21] <sivang> ogra : have you seend what gst offers in that regard?
[03:21] <ogra> yes, i thought about invoke-rc.d
[03:21] <ogra> sivang: way too heavy in my opinion....
[03:22] <sivang> ogra : Ah, I see what you mean :)
[03:24] <ogra> you know my bootoptions tool....i could put in a real load of grub options, but i only want to squash the common tasks....no real admin tools, just simplification as much as possible.....
[03:26] <sivang> ogra : I see, seems nice and would probably help the clueless users to start services :) however I do see a place for gst in a larger setups, or in the less home more corporate deployments.
[03:29] <ogra> sivang: i see this part of g-s-t as a real admin tool....nothing i would give a normal user, but fine for "real" admin tasks
[04:06] <thom> jdub: que?
[04:40] <Matt|> is bug 3138 likely to be assigned at all does anyone know?
[04:44] <nobse> hi
[04:45] <nobse> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:45] <nobse>   perlmagick: Depends: libmagick6 (= 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1) but 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
[04:45] <nobse> E: Broken packages
[04:45] <nobse> are you aware of that?
[04:46] <tseng> nobse: search bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[04:46] <tseng> if you dont see it, file it
[04:47] <nobse> Can I use reportbug?
[04:47] <tseng> sure.
[04:48] <nobse> ok
[04:49] <tseng> does that still go to BTS?
[04:49] <tseng> or bugzilla now
[04:50] <nobse> ubuntu-users
[04:50] <bob2> erm, are yo usure reportbug does anything useful on ubuntu?
[04:50] <nobse> bob2: no, that's why I asked
[04:50] <tseng> there is some branding, but i dont see anything that is similar to s/debian bts/bugzilla
[04:50] <nobse> but the mail was sent to ubuntu-users
[04:54] <nobse> btw, a fixed package is available in universe, but doesn't appear in Packages.gz
[05:08] <RubenV> hmmm
[05:08] <RubenV> does gstreamer need the gstreamer-ffmpeg package to be able to play any divx/xvid movie?
[05:09] <RubenV> lately i'm finding more movies that don't work that those who do with gstreamer
[05:10] <GotD0t> how do i reinstall grub? another operating system wrote over it and now its all fugly
[05:10] <Mithrandir> GotD0t: grub-install /dev/hda should work
[05:11] <GotD0t> Mithrandir, thanks
[05:21] <GotD0t> so anybody know how to get my ATI 9700 pro 3D accelerated in hoary?
[05:22] <thom> GotD0t: wrong channel
[05:22] <GotD0t> thom, sorry... misread the tab
[05:25] <daniels> elmo: please install l-k-h on davis if the packaging seems sane
[06:37] <Matt|> is bug 3138 likely to be assigned at all does anyone know?