[12:00] <bob2> amer_: ok
[12:00] <burtie> is there any recommened reading to understand it?
[12:00] <Zugwrack> bob2: I am advising you this was the case...Hoary is doing just fine and automatically recognizing and mounting the partitions
[12:00] <amer_> bob2, any idea what might be wrong ?
[12:00] <bob2> burtie: it's just a general dependency thing, maybe the apt howto would help
[12:00] <bob2> Zugwrack: ok
[12:02] <burtie> bob2: thanks, will read and learn
[12:02] <Zugwrack> bob2: Also there is a problem with ALSA sound output.
[12:03] <Nap_> mahe:/home/francois# modprobe ndiswrapper
[12:03] <Nap_> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[12:03] <Nap_> mahe:/home/francois# dmesg | grep ndiswrapper
[12:03] <Nap_> ndiswrapper version 0.10 loaded (preempt=yes,smp=no)
[12:03] <Nap_> ndiswrapper (wrapper_init:2286): loadndiswrapper failed (1536);check utils version mismatch
[12:03] <Nap_> it semms to mean that I have a wrong version of ndiswrapper-utils
[12:03] <bob2> no
[12:03] <Nap_> I am in hoary
[12:03] <Nap_> ah ?
[12:03] <Nap_> what does it mean ?
[12:05] <Nap_> how can I install an old version of a package
[12:05] <Nap_> ?
[12:05] <Evaso> hi guys
[12:05] <Nap_> hi Evaso
[12:05] <bob2> you can look for it on the archive server
[12:05] <bob2> but it's probably gone
[12:05] <Nap_> :/
[12:06] <Evaso> i had just instelled ubuntu yesterday on my uncle laptop
[12:06] <calamari> whew!  icons -> 75% is so much better.. don't feel like I'm running at 640x480 anymore :)
[12:06] <Evaso> i had a problem with a prism chipset wirless card
[12:07] <Evaso> I know that this type of card are detected and works fine with Ubuntu
[12:09] <Evaso> but the card seems death
[12:10] <TheCan> Evaso, well i "killed" mine too flashing in the wrong firmware
[12:10] <TheCan> does the card work somewhere else?
[12:11] <Evaso> TheCan: My PCMCIA wifi card uses the prism54 driver. The driver is provided in the default kernel, but the firmware file - isl3890 - is missing. Just get a copy off the net and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (with the name "isl3890") and it works nicely.
[12:13] <melazyboy> Daniels are you there i have a quick question for you about the way xorg does 3d/2d
[12:13] <daniels> melazyboy: sup
[12:14] <melazyboy> ever since i upgraded to hoary and lost fglrx, i noticed that when i highlight the background on gnome and move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other the update is about 100times slower
[12:14] <melazyboy> the shaded box, if i make it big on the verticle, and drag it to the oppisite side on the horizontal, it takes like a second to update
[12:14] <melazyboy> isn't that also 2d though?
[12:14] <anders_> hi everyone. im new to linux so I guess this is a stupid question but anyway... Is there any list with hardware supported by Ubuntu?
[12:14] <JStrike> jdub : I see gnome-user-share appeared in the repo the other day. Is it the same as GPWS or something else entirely?
[12:14] <melazyboy> or am i just imagining things
[12:14] <daniels> yah, that is a 2D operation
[12:15] <daniels> however, you could use the 3D engine to accelerate that if you wanted to, which fglrx may actually do
[12:15] <melazyboy> daniels: Is it that much slower without fglrx
[12:15] <daniels> apparently
[12:15] <Evaso-> sorry i was hang-up
[12:15] <Evaso-> My PCMCIA wifi card uses the prism54 driver. The driver is provided in the default kernel, but the firmware file - isl3890 - is missing. Just get a copy off the net and put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware (with the name "isl3890") and it works nicely.
[12:15] <JStrike> anders_ : There is. Google for it
[12:15] <daniels> i've not owned a card that hasn't had full 3d acceleration with the standard drivfers
[12:15] <melazyboy> It just seems like the whole gnome experience is a little inept without fglrx when i booted it i was aucutally able to see the gdm login screen being drawn from top to bottom, i don't ever remember seeing that done before
[12:15] <JStrike> LinuxHardware I think
[12:16] <TheCan> Evaso, i got it
[12:16] <Nap_> yeah that works
[12:16] <default> are there any keyboard shortcuts to change the display resolution? what is the lowest supported display resolution does anybody know? the display resolution in the live cd is too high for my monitor to support so instead it shows about 7 or 8 of the same picture all lined up vertically, thanks.
[12:16] <TheCan> Evaso, but i "flashed" the card dead..doesnt work even under windows
[12:16] <melazyboy> i just thought all fglrx added was 3d -- thanks for clearing up the confusion anyway
[12:16] <TheCan> default, ctrl,alt,+ ctrl,alt,+
[12:16] <TheCan> err
[12:16] <anders_> Ok JStrike I'll do that. Thanks!
[12:16] <TheCan> ctrl,alt,- i mean
[12:16] <default> thecan: thanks a lot
[12:16] <Nap_> so guys if you use hoary and ndiswrapper, you can't use the ndiswrapper-utils package, because of a version mismatch with the ndiswrapper kernel module
[12:17] <Nap_> how can I file a bug ?
[12:17] <Matt|> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:17] <Nap_> thx
[12:17] <bob2> 66is ndiswrapper supported?
[12:18] <daniels> bob2: yes, but none of the drivers are
[12:20] <JStrike> Well, jdub packaged it, but maybe one of the other packagers can answer?
[12:24] <melazyboy> can anyone thing of a reason why when i run a command like apt-get or apt-update or any shell command as it runs the command it acts as if enter is being held down
[12:25] <TheCan> anybody got problems getting acroread working?
[12:25] <melazyboy> injecting \n into the console
[12:27] <anders_> for acroread try this page http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#acroread
[12:28] <billytwowilly> doesn't acroread have a huge memory leak?
[12:28] <TheCan> anders_, thx
[12:28] <bob2> it has huge issuesm including security ones
[12:28] <bob2> it was removed from debian because it's buggy and unfixable
[12:28] <nomasteryoda> adobe sucks
[12:29] <TheCan> anders_, well it doesnt work
[12:30] <TheCan> apt-get install acroread is not the point where i fail :p
[12:30] <Evaso-> anybody had setupped an lucent winmodem over ubuntu?
[12:30] <anders_> ok what's the problem
[12:30] <TheCan> it looks for /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread
[12:31] <TheCan> which is not there...there is only "acroread.sh" in that directory
[12:33] <calc> i got my ubuntu cd's today :)
[12:33] <Faustus> what the problem with the desktop not showing the time?  Does it need to be configured or should I just install ntp-simple ?
[12:33] <TheCan> xpdf doesnt really work good for me...it doesnt support fullscreen and it's much slower
[12:33] <calc> gpdf needs to have search support
[12:33] <JStrike> TheCan : What happens when you run "sh /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread.sh" ?
[12:33] <Matt|> TheCan, someone had this problem the other day. might be a bug in the build
[12:33] <billytwowilly> calc, where are you located?
[12:33] <calc> billytwowilly: Texas, USA
[12:33] <Matt|> gpdf needs to have support for scrolling down the screen with the arrow keys ;)
[12:34] <billytwowilly> calc, sweet.
[12:34] <billytwowilly> maybe I'll get mine soon then
[12:34] <Matt|> oh hang on it isn't gpdf i'm thinking of
[12:35] <Riddell> calc: use kpdf from CVS branch, it has everyone you need
[12:35] <default> i was just in here asking for keyboard shortcuts, and the ctrl + alt (+/-) didn't change the screen resolution on the live cd, does anybody know any other shortcuts for this because i can't really use it until i get this figured out sorry if i''m wasting people's time
[12:35] <anders_> strange...i'm new to linux so im afraid i dont know the answer. but I start the prog by just typing acroread
[12:35] <Matt|> TheCan, has it installed already or is it afterwards that you fail?
[12:36] <TheCan> Matt|, the script doesnt work complains about a directory
[12:36] <TheCan> or something missing
[12:36] <Matt|> TheCan, yeah it's probably out of date
[12:36] <Matt|> the install script?
[12:36] <TheCan> i think you need to specify the installation directory or something in the script
[12:36] <TheCan> the acroread.sh script i mean now
[12:36] <TheCan> i got the newest acroread, my sources are hopefully uptodate :)
[12:37] <calc> Riddell: i could just xpdf then, its good enough but isn't consistent with gnome gui
[12:37] <Matt|> yeah that is gtk i think
[12:38] <warty> hi
[12:38] <default> does anybody know? or is it useless asking here?
[12:43] <warty> don't know
[12:43] <warty> i am ron
[12:43] <the_stick> Hi
[12:43] <the_stick> I downloaded the nvidia drivers
[12:43] <warty> warty is default
[12:43] <warty> hi stick
[12:43] <the_stick> and when installing it tells me it can't find a matching precompiled kernel something
[12:43] <default> could anybody tell me where to get keyboard shortcuts
[12:43] <the_stick> hi warty
[12:43] <the_stick> so what should I do ?
[12:43] <warty> i am running mine on cd
[12:43] <bob2> the_stick: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:43] <default> ubuntu is a pain in the ass
[12:43] <burtie> default: ctrl and alt and - or + on the num pad
[12:43] <warty> have yu tried xandros?
[12:43] <default> so that has to be on the number pad
[12:43] <burtie> works for me
[12:43] <the_stick> bob2: it says it's not there , but is referenced by another package
[12:43] <default> ok i didnt use the number pad first thanks
[12:43] <bob2> the_stick: can you be more vague?
[12:43] <bob2> or explain what "it" is in that sentence?
[12:45] <Hikaru79> bob2, "can you be more vague?"
[12:45] <Hikaru79> Sarcasm?
[12:46] <bob2> never!
[12:46] <Hikaru79> =P
[12:48] <paper> is there anyway i can remove openoffice? i tried with apt and it wanted to remove the whole dang ubuntu-desktop
[12:50] <the_stick> it's still very slow
[12:50] <the_stick> the simple screensavers go at .. 5 FPS
[12:50] <the_stick> 2 FPS
[12:50] <the_stick> i downloaded drivers from nvidias site
[12:50] <the_stick> but it tells me it cant find a matching precompiled kernel header file or something
[12:58] <bob2> paper: you can't remove it without removing ubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <thrift> is there any reason that as root I should not be permitted to delete a file?
[12:58] <paper> bob2, now that is just plan ol dumb
[12:58] <bob2> but you actually want to remove it, so I'm not sure what the problem is
[12:58] <Evaso-> Anybody had problem with ubuntu about mounting vfat floppy disk??
[12:58] <bob2> paper: no, it's not
[12:58] <bob2> thrift: disk corruption can do that
[12:58] <the_stick> also , what's the bus identity of an AGP slot ?
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: leave it blank
[12:58] <bob2> like it says
[12:58] <paper> bob2, explain to me why it isnt dumb, that a package is installe, taking up about 1gb worth of space, and i cant remove it because the whole freakin desktop will be removed
[12:58] <bob2> paper: no, you're wrong, stop insisting please
[12:58] <paper> ok
[12:58] <thrift> bob2: should I see errors in dmesg and/or crazyness with the hard disk if that's going on.  Everything seems fine, but I can't delete a couple files in this one directory
[12:58] <the_stick> bob2 : it says PCI 1.0.0
[12:58] <paper> then how am i able to remove open office
[12:58] <bob2> paper: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a meta package.  it depends on all the other packages in the basic ubuntu desktop
[12:58] <the_stick> this is in the Xserver-xfree86 config thingy
[12:58] <bob2> but removing openoffice, you're saying "I don't want the basic ubuntu desktop anymore"
[12:58] <bob2> so remove openoffice if you really care
[12:58] <bob2> and lose ubuntu-desktop
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: you don't need to specify for single head i386
[12:58] <paper> bob2, then i guess i was wrong, what exactly is ubuntu-desktop?
[12:58] <the_stick> oh
[12:58] <bob2> 09:52:02           bob2 | paper: 'ubuntu-desktop' is a meta package.  it depends on all the other packages in the basic ubuntu desktop
[12:58] <the_stick> how do I download the kernel source files ?
[12:58] <thrift> bob2: I think what happened was, is that I was running a sudo without -H nautilus, deleted some files on my raid, now it's created a .Trash-user directory and I can't delete them as root or empty my trash...
[12:58] <kent> is there a way to check what module eth0 is using? Im trying to figure out what module one of the networkcards on my brothers computer is using, but i cant figure out which.. :(
[12:58] <paper> kent lspci
[12:58] <bob2> thrift: install linux-source-2.6
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: ^
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: but why?
[12:58] <bob2> kent: dmesg | grep eth0
[12:58] <thrift> bob2: linux-source-2.6.8.1 is installed
[12:58] <paper> bob2, i just want to make sure that by removing ubuntu-desktop im not cutting of my left leg hehe
[12:58] <bob2> thrift: ls /usr/src/
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, its worse than that
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, more like both legs
[12:58] <thrift> linux                        linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-k7    rpm
[12:58] <thrift> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3      linux-source-2.6.8.1
[12:58] <thrift> linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386  linux-source-2.6.8.1.tar.bz2
[12:58] <bob2> paper: you're saying 'please don't install new desktop packages in future'
[12:58] <daniels> TheCan: if you read the BinaryDriverHowto, you'd see that you don't need to build your own nVidia module
[12:58] <paper> ah
[12:58] <paper> ouch
[12:58] <paper> ok
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, just kidding
[12:58] <paper> bob2, so basically i gotta just suck it up and ignore openoffice lol
[12:58] <the_stick> hmm
[12:58] <warty> hey!  I just burned the dang live iso... booted and configured without a hitch!  I got high expections for the freinds I'll give it to who are still on Windoze!!!
[12:58] <kent> paper, according to lspci its a realtek, and lsmod says that atleast 8139too and 8139cp. So i guess its those modules then. Thanks
[12:58] <bob2> how much do you care?
[12:58] <TheCan> daniels, i don't own a nvidia card ;-)
[12:58] <the_stick> how do I find packages with that apt thing ?
[12:58] <the_stick> apt-get seach nvidia
[12:58] <the_stick> doesnt work
[12:58] <TheCan> the_stick, apt-cache search package
[12:58] <the_stick> ah
[12:58] <paper> kent, glad to see that worked for you
[12:58] <Matt|> paper, it's not a problem, what he means is that when the collection of packages in "ubuntu-desktop" changes, you won't get the benefit of that change. But it's not an issue - if you know what you want, it's better to add and remove packages manually
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: I already told you, wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryModuleHowto
[12:58] <paper> Matt|, so basically an apt-get update will not update what specific packages? is there anywhere i can see like a dependency tree?
[12:58] <the_stick> bob2, that's not working my friend
[12:58] <thrift> root@Io:/home/raid/.Trash-thrift # rm -f falcorscreenshot.jpg
[12:58] <thrift> rm: cannot remove `falcorscreenshot.jpg': Permission denied
[12:58] <thrift>  .. anyone know what to do about that?
[12:58] <bob2> the_stick: "not working" is not a useful description of a problem
[12:59] <the_stick> it says it doesnt find nvidia-glx
[12:59] <bob2> did you install it?
[12:59] <the_stick> no
[12:59] <super> hey room
[12:59] <gloin> anyone here got raidant working under ubuntu?  Damn so-and-sos at qeradiant.com only provide an rpm or source (which is built using some oddity called "scons")
[12:59] <Matt|> paper, ubuntu-desktop is like a virtual package which contains the programs which ubuntu decide to include in their standard desktop. If you remove the package, it will not hurt your system, just that when they change what is in their standard desktop, you will not get the benefit of the changes. It is fine to remove it if you know what programs you want to use.
[01:00] <CodyDH> hello
[01:01] <paper> Matt|, I know exactly what I want to use.... :) thanks that cleared up alot...By any chance can you tell me how i can turn off services that are starting at boot, ie postfix cupsys,,,etc
[01:01] <Matt|> paper, yes it's not easy unfortunately.
[01:01] <bob2> cd /etc/rc2.d
[01:01] <bob2> rm *postfix *cupsys
[01:01] <Matt|> paper, you rename the links in /etc/rc2.d
[01:01] <Matt|> paper, just uninstall postfix if you don't want it
[01:01] <Matt|> bob2, surely better to rename em?
[01:02] <bob2> why?
[01:02] <CodyDH> how do I kill X in ubuntu installed default (such as that X starts on bootup)
[01:02] <Matt|> bob2, so you can get em back easily
[01:02] <gloin> CodyDH: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:02] <bob2> you can get them back with "update-rc.d postfix defaults"
[01:02] <paper> Matt|, and how would i uninstall them?
[01:02] <CodyDH> gloin: that'll take all of X down so I can install the nvidia drivers?
[01:02] <Matt|> paper, apt-get remove package
[01:02] <gloin> CodyDH: correct
[01:03] <paper> umm
[01:03] <Matt|> bob2, i did not know that rc-update works with ubuntu
[01:03] <CodyDH> gloin: thanks
[01:03] <Matt|> bob2, surely it can be used to remove em then too right
[01:03] <paper> Matt|, now i loost ubuntu-base
[01:03] <gloin> =] 
[01:03] <Matt|> paper, np
[01:03] <bob2> Matt|: sure
[01:03] <Matt|> paper, same principle
[01:03] <bob2> but I can never remember the syntax for that :)
[01:03] <paper> Matt|, this is odd for me
[01:03] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:04] <Matt|> paper, wassup?
[01:04] <KneelBeforeXorg> How come ubuntu won't print kanji, when debian testing used to do it just fine?  Even ggv just shows boxes, and I have all the gsfonts and ttf and X fonts installed.
[01:04] <CodyDH> errr... in my F2 terminal, I keep getting strings of text like:
[01:04] <CodyDH> IN: ETH1 OUT: Mac address DEST: etc...
[01:04] <paper> Matt|, well this whole everything depending on these 2 packages, i was a fc2 fan, but now trying this so the change is a bit different
[01:04] <TheCan> "f2 terminal" :-)
[01:04] <Matt|> bob2, rsync was working a treat btw thanks for helping me with that earlier.
[01:04] <CodyDH> TheCan: TTY2? :)
[01:04] <bob2> Matt|: you're welcome
[01:04] <KneelBeforeXorg> anyone here familiar with CJK stuff on ubuntu?
[01:05] <Matt|> paper, just remove that package it is a fake package like ubuntu-desktop
[01:05] <bob2> i think that was yesterdaym but i'm not sure
[01:05] <paper> Matt|, thank you so much :)
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, 00.05 so yeah
[01:05] <KneelBeforeXorg> I can't get a /list of channels here, so I don't know if there's an #ubuntu-ja or whatever
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, where are you atm?
[01:05] <bob2> Matt|: cambridge
[01:05] <Matt|> KneelBeforeXorg, "/cs list *ubuntu*
[01:05] <CodyDH> hmmm... local network stuff
[01:05] <CodyDH> n/m then.
[01:05] <Matt|> bob2, uk or us?
[01:05] <KneelBeforeXorg> 16:05 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: cs
[01:06] <bob2> Matt|: heh, uk, at the debian bug squashing party
[01:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> Matt|: also a /list *ubuntu* gives me an empty list
[01:06] <Matt|> KneelBeforeXorg, /msg chanserv list *ubuntu*
[01:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> thanks
[01:06] <Matt|> bob2, cambridge eh... debian sucks
[01:06] <gloin> anyone here got raidant working under ubuntu?  Damn so-and-sos at qeradiant.com only provide an rpm or source (which is built using some oddity called "scons") (try #2)
[01:06] <kent> Do linux assing eth0 and eth1 according to which modules gets loaded first, or do that depend on hardware?
[01:06] <Matt|> bob2, they could have at least splashed out on bermuda
[01:06] <bob2> Matt|: hah
[01:07] <paper> Matt|, by any chance do you use enlightenment as your window manager?
[01:07] <Matt|> paper, nope
[01:07] <KneelBeforeXorg> well it seems that there isn't a japanese channel
[01:07] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:07] <paper> darn
[01:07] <bob2> Matt|: beer + bandwidth + bugs
[01:07] <Matt|> KneelBeforeXorg, guess not
[01:07] <KneelBeforeXorg> so can anyone here help me with my ghostscript problems?
[01:07] <bob2> you don't need anything else
[01:07] <mjr_> kent, pretty much the loading order, semirandom for those cards that are used by the same driver
[01:07] <Matt|> bob2, oh you're in the uni?
[01:07] <bob2> Matt|: nah, a house
[01:07] <Matt|> but big bandwidth?
[01:07] <bob2> well, enough ;)
[01:07] <Matt|> kewl
[01:07] <bob2> wanted to see some of the uni...
[01:07] <Matt|> bob2, how is cambridge?
[01:07] <bob2> but it gets dark at FOUR PM
[01:08] <Matt|> LOL
[01:08] <bob2> your country is broken
[01:08] <Matt|> yeah tell me about it
[01:08] <Matt|> bob2, it was dark before i'd got moving properly today
[01:08] <Matt|> bob2, where are you from again spain?
[01:08] <bob2> .au
[01:08] <Matt|> oh
[01:08] <Matt|> austria huh...
[01:08] <Matt|> :p
[01:08] <bob2> heh
[01:09] <[KrusheR] > wassup
[01:09] <NetwrkMonkey> anyone have a Logitech MX 500 mouse?
[01:09] <Matt|> bob2, is cambridge nice?
[01:09] <NetwrkMonkey> My mouse works but i'm thinking of redoing the mouse keys
[01:10] <bob2> Matt|: it seems pretty cool...bikes *everywhere*.  much more...college-y than oxford seemed
[01:10] <XhyldazhK> hi all!
[01:10] <Matt|> bob2, *grins* you're getting around
[01:11] <XhyldazhK> how do I get the gdm login screen that appears in the ubuntu homepage?
[01:11] <kent> mjr, and the order of which linux loads the modules, is that constant between boots?  My brother has two ethernet-cards. One to the adsl and one to his xbox.  I think i have to know which gets which eth* so that i can configure them in the interfaces file :(  The cards differ in brand (and chip).
[01:11] <bob2> Matt|: heh, yeah, this side of it's fun :)
[01:12] <Matt|> bob2, hectic but fun i guess..
[01:12] <bob2> yeah, 'xactly
[01:12] <Matt|> better than studying law
[01:12] <mjr> kent, well, it's pretty much stable, but theoretically if hotplug (the component that's in charge of loading the drivers) is upgraded, the order might change - I suppose they'll be trying to keep it so that it won't, though
[01:13] <egon_spengler> kent: The cards are read in PCI slot order, slot one gets eth0 slot 2 gets eth1 and so on
[01:13] <Matt|> bob2, i've often wondered how you squash bugs... is bug fixing a group activity, or do developers just work on them individually until they resolve it
[01:14] <XhyldazhK> anyone knows how to get the gdm login screen that appears in the Ubuntu home page?
[01:14] <Matt|> XhyldazhK, i'm not sure which one you mean
[01:14] <Matt|> XhyldazhK, have you got ubuntu-artwork installed?
[01:14] <bob2> Matt|: well, it's mostly individual here, but there's fairly frequent "is the submitter of #1234 completely insane?"-style calls
[01:14] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:14] <bob2> Matt|: msotly seems to be a awy to get people motivated on it all at once
[01:14] <XhyldazhK> Matt|, oops I wull get that ;) thanx!
[01:15] <Matt|> bob2, i still cannot tell my battery state :( I got an email today from another user with the same problem. There is a whole class of compaq and HP laptops with the same problem
[01:17] <egon_spengler> XhyldazhK: Try getting the ubuntu-calendar-october for the artwork
[01:17] <XhyldazhK> egon_spengler, thanx! I will
[01:18] <Nu-B> Hi Im new to ubuntu
[01:18] <Matt|> Nu-B, hi
[01:18] <bob2> Matt|: ah, suck, is it in ubuntu's bts?
[01:18] <CraHan> Hey 'new to ubutu', erhm Nu-B :)
[01:18] <Matt|> bts?
[01:18] <Nu-B> well I tried it as it fits on one CD
[01:18] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:18] <Matt|> welcome Nu-B
[01:18] <Matt|> you won't regret it
[01:18] <Nu-B> and DSL is a bit
[01:18] <Nu-B> well
[01:18] <Nu-B> not sure really
[01:19] <Matt|> unless you have a compaq presario
[01:19] <Nu-B> this looks nice and tidy
[01:19] <Matt|> bob2, what is bts?
[01:19] <Nu-B> has anyone got any tips on using the media player
[01:19] <Nu-B> it doesnt want to play mp3s
[01:19] <bob2> Matt|: bugzilla
[01:20] <Matt|> bob2, oh right, yeah for a while :(
[01:20] <Matt|> 2711
[01:20] <bob2> ah
[01:20] <Matt|> Nu-B, go to the wiki, and search for RestrictedFormats
[01:20] <Matt|> Nu-B, that should help ya out
[01:21] <Nu-B> oh, so its install another media player then
[01:21] <kent> I have configured the static eth0 which is connected to my brothers xbox, and when i run ifup/ifdown it sort of works now. But i get "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A)" when i run ifup, even though its configured correctly afterwards. how come i get that message?
[01:21] <Nu-B> XMMS here I come then
[01:21] <Matt|> Nu-B, nope mp3 support is not in ubuntu by default
[01:21] <Nu-B> I see didnt realise
[01:21] <Nu-B> bit like Xine in SuSE
[01:21] <Nu-B> then
[01:21] <Nu-B> that was a pain
[01:21] <Matt|> Nu-B, like fedora, they concentrate on free stuff
[01:21] <Matt|> Nu-B, its not the media player, its the decoder that is not installed. The media player will work fine once you sort out mp3s
[01:22] <Nu-B> ah
[01:22] <Nu-B> okay ill go and have a search on the wiki
[01:22] <Nu-B> read up a bit
[01:22] <sgarrity> anyone run into the Live CD running through the progress-bar on boot-up, then rebooting as soon as the progress bar is complete?
[01:23] <Matt|> OMG cracking television: "so, have you ever snorted cocaine off a prostitute's bottom?" "yes." "really?" "yes."
[01:24] <billytwowilly> bah.
[01:24] <billytwowilly> snorting cocaine off a prostitutes bottom is no big thang.
[01:25] <Matt|> well i haven't done it
[01:25] <kent> Its not even a wlan-card, so why is the ifup-script complaining about wireless request?
[01:25] <Matt|> what have i done with my life?
[01:26] <billytwowilly> It's not a big deal. If you want to do something crazy drink the piss of a meth user. most of the meth is excreted unchanged into their urine.
[01:26] <Matt|> ok
[01:26] <Matt|> be back in 5
[01:27] <CraHan> why do i have a feeling that Matt| has run of to test out billytwowilly's tip?
[01:27] <Matt|> (slurred speech) wwwwhhhhhaat???
[01:27] <billytwowilly> heh. because he has
[01:27] <CraHan> lol
[01:27] <billytwowilly> you don't get slurred speech from amphetamine...
[01:27] <Matt|> ok sorry
[01:27] <CraHan> I wouldn't have a clue myself
[01:27] <Matt|> enough of this now
[01:28] <billytwowilly> He must have been eating poison mushrooms or something as well.
[01:28] <CraHan> well that was cool, running an xnest session over ssh so I get an ubuntu session on the Mac :)
[01:28] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:28] <grelli> you pick that up on the southside there?
[01:28] <CraHan> dunno why I'd ever need that, but heck, 't was fun
[01:28] <grelli> that what you guys do for fun?
[01:28] <billytwowilly> grelli, no, from pharmacology 305;)
[01:29] <billytwowilly> grelli, the pharmacology of drug abuse;) best class ever;)
[01:29] <keknehv> How do I mount a fat32 filesystem in read-write mode for all users?
[01:29] <Matt|> keknehv, mount -t vfat /dev/hda# /mnt_point
[01:30] <Matt|> for your user
[01:30] <keknehv> But that's not in Read-write mode for everything
[01:30] <Matt|> true
[01:30] <Matt|> edit /etc/fstab
[01:30] <keknehv> And it doesn't work for my user
[01:30] <CraHan> set the gid too
[01:30] <keknehv> gid?
[01:30] <billytwowilly> can't you just mount it normally in /etc/fstab then chmod 777 the directory you mounted it to?
[01:30] <CraHan> mount has an option to set the groud id too
[01:30] <CraHan> or user id, whichever you prefer
[01:30] <CraHan> *group id
[01:30] <keknehv> thanks
[01:31] <CraHan> -o gid=number
[01:31] <keknehv> Dang... still doesn't work
[01:32] <CraHan> that sets the owner of the mountpoint to that specific group
[01:32] <CraHan> does the mountpoint have write access for that group?
[01:32] <keknehv> Odd thing is, Gnome still sees it, even though I can't cd to it
[01:32] <keknehv> Yes
[01:32] <keknehv> For the root group
[01:33] <netsplit> Hi, does anyone see apache-ant in apt-cache?
[01:34] <netsplit> "ant" is a Debian package, but I can't find it in Ubuntu.
[01:34] <CraHan> netsplit: not me
[01:34] <CraHan> apt-cache search apache-ant returned nothing
[01:35] <keknehv> Whoops... now it says it's busy. What's the command to see processes using a mount again?
[01:35] <CraHan> lsof?
[01:35] <CraHan> that lists the open files
[01:35] <keknehv> Yes... that's the one
[01:36] <CraHan> time to get to bed here :)
[01:36] <keknehv> Wait... no it isn't
[01:36] <CraHan> 1.45am :)
[01:36] <keknehv> noo... now I'm all alone :D
[01:36] <keknehv> night
[01:36] <CraHan> seeya around
[01:36] <keknehv> enjoy your ~4-5 hours of sleep :d
[01:36] <CraHan[zZz] > more ubuntu goodness tomorrow
[01:36] <Matt|> keknehv, did you cd into the mount directory?
[01:37] <keknehv> ryanh@pulaewe:/home $ cd /mnt/windows
[01:37] <keknehv> bash: cd: /mnt/windows: Permission denied
[01:37] <keknehv> basically, I'm trying to run wine on something
[01:37] <Matt|> keknehv, unmount it
[01:38] <keknehv> ryanh@pulaewe:/home $ sudo umount /dev/hda1
[01:38] <keknehv> umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy
[01:38] <keknehv> umount: /mnt/windows: device is busy
[01:38] <keknehv>  -_-
[01:38] <keknehv> and "lsof | grep mnt" doesn't turn up anything
[01:38] <Matt|> ok
[01:39] <Matt|> well i can't think of anything
[01:39] <[KrusheR] > hmm
[01:39] <Matt|> reboot or something
[01:39] <[KrusheR] > is any utility to format partitions to fat32 under linux?
[01:39] <keknehv> Erg... okay
[01:40] <jmhodges> kent: no dont!
[01:40] <Orcrist> hello all
[01:40] <jmhodges> fuck.. i meant keknehv
[01:41] <jmhodges> all it meant was that he had a shell open in that directory
[01:41] <jmhodges> gaaah.
[01:41] <Orcrist> any of you guys having trouble in with the default nvidia driver in warty/hoary?
[01:41] <jmhodges> i had none a week ago.. i've since moved to ati
[01:41] <jmhodges> Orcrist: whats the issue?
[01:41] <Orcrist> well
[01:42] <Orcrist> when I  try to ctrl-alt-f1-f6
[01:42] <Orcrist> I get a black screen... and in this screen if I scroll down I see all the text left over from init plus a lot of colored ascii garbage
[01:42] <Orcrist> like it's just showing me junk from the page frame buffer
[01:42] <Orcrist> but I get no tty consoles
[01:42] <Orcrist> and they're enabled in inittab just like they're supposed to be
[01:43] <Orcrist> in fact, I've done almost nothing to #ubuntu
[01:43] <Orcrist> erm
[01:43] <Orcrist> ubuntu :)
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> i had the same time of problem as keknehv only with cdrom. i couldn't unmount it because it was "busy"
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> i ended up rebooting because i didn't know what else to do...i didn't have anything open that used cdrom
[01:44] <billytwowilly> Cloudchaser, I've had that problem too.
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> is there a way without rebooting?
[01:44] <Matt|> bizarre
[01:44] <Matt|> that shouldn't happen
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> i used to get the same thing with CF on rh9, but killall fam took care of that
[01:44] <Cloudchaser> didn't on ubuntu though
[01:45] <billytwowilly> Cloudchaser, I haven't found it. fuser -a /media/cdrom0 should display what is accessing it and it doesn't
[01:45] <billytwowilly> and nothing is shown
[01:45] <Cloudchaser> ah ok i'll try that next time
[01:47] <billytwowilly> well, that didn't fix it.. it didnt show anything as accessing it.
[01:47] <Cloudchaser> well its one step to try anyway
[01:48] <Cloudchaser> to see if something is showing
[01:51] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay, so ghostscript just isn't finding my fonts at all
[01:55] <Faustus> does anyone have a workraround for the "unable to mount floppy" problem?  Googlw doesn't bring up much
[01:55] <Matt|> meh i'm off to bed. Nite all, bob2
[01:55] <Orcrist> so does anyone have any ideas about my problem?
[01:55] <Orcrist> could it be the driver or is it maybe a problem with x.org?
[01:56] <billytwowilly> Orcrist, what problem?
[01:56] <NetwrkMonkey> how do you configure samba?
[01:56] <NetwrkMonkey> i know how to turn it on but :/
[01:56] <billytwowilly> NetwrkMonkey, I'd like to know the same thing;)
[01:56] <ChibiFS> Well, you need some maraccas, and some toms perhaps
[01:56] <LinuxJones> dvdrip seems to be broken anybody know of a working repository ?
[01:57] <billytwowilly> marillat
[01:57] <Orcrist> billy, I'll just cut and paste
[01:57] <LinuxJones> marillat is broken apparently
 any of you guys having trouble in with the default nvidia driver in warty/hoary?
[01:57] <Orcrist> <-- sivang (~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il) has left #ubuntu ("Leaving")
 i had none a week ago.. i've since moved to ati
 Orcrist: whats the issue?
 well
 when I  try to ctrl-alt-f1-f6
 I get a black screen... and in this screen if I scroll down I see all the text left over from init plus a lot of colored ascii garbage
 like it's just showing me junk from the page frame buffer
 but I get no tty consoles
 and they're enabled in inittab just like they're supposed to be
 in fact, I've done almost nothing to #ubuntu
[01:57] <ChibiFS> And those  ghetto trashcan drums. Then you might have a good samba setup
 erm
 ubuntu :
[01:57] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay
[01:57] <KneelBeforeXorg> found i
[01:58] <KneelBeforeXorg> the ryumin font doesn't have a ghostscript counterpart for some reason
[01:58] <KneelBeforeXorg> and that's what firefox likes to spit out as the postcript font for japanese
[01:58] <billytwowilly> orcrist did you try hitting ctrl-c in the tty console? Maybe something funky is happening. Works great over here.
[01:58] <amer_> hey, where can i download azuereus ?
[01:59] <Orcrist> billy, you mean switch to the console then try ctrl-c?
[02:00] <Orcrist> just tried ctrl-c and ctrl-x... no good
[02:00] <Orcrist> amer
[02:00] <billytwowilly> no idea then.. sorry...
[02:00] <Orcrist> I believe it's azureus.sourceforge.net
[02:00] <Orcrist> billy thanks anyways
[02:00] <Orcrist> noone seems to know what it is
[02:01] <Orcrist> I'm thinking maybe my card doesn't like the default ubuntu nvidia driver
[02:01] <Orcrist> the package I ran under SuSE handled it just fine
[02:01] <billytwowilly> join one of the ubuntu mailing lists and ask there.
[02:01] <djtansey> anyone else here have problems with hotplug? mine takes FOREVER to load during bootup. 30 or so seconds.
[02:01] <Orcrist> where do I find this mailing list?
[02:02] <MobyTurbo> Orcrist, /topic
[02:02] <ChibiFS> djtansey - Don't update hotplug, it's bad for you D:
[02:02] <Orcrist> ahh there we go moby
[02:02] <Orcrist> didn't see it at first
[02:03] <djtansey> ChibiFS: how do you mean? the package? well it's already updated.
[02:03] <ChibiFS> Go backward. :P
[02:03] <djtansey> ChibiFS: what version?
[02:04] <ChibiFS> Well, are you using Hoary or Warty now?
[02:04] <djtansey> ChibiFS: and why isn't the package being fixed so an update will do it?
[02:04] <djtansey> warty
[02:04] <ChibiFS> Hrrmmm.. :/
[02:04] <ChibiFS> Do you have any cameras plugged in or anything?
[02:05] <djtansey> CHibiFS: when i boot i have next to nothing. laptop with CDRW/DVD, and nothing else plugged in.
[02:06] <TheCan> you really need cdrw/dvd? i prefer 2nd battery :D
[02:06] <djtansey> ChibiFS: and i can't seem to figure out where it logs what it is doing
[02:06] <ChibiFS> Hotplug is fairly expirimental. It likes to be explodey at the smallest things. :/
[02:07] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, /var/log/messages, other /var/log files and the dmesg command
[02:07] <djtansey> TheCan: i have an ibm x40 -- i boot with my docking station (where the CD is). i get 7.5 hours with my battery.
[02:07] <TheCan> djtansey, nice :)
[02:07] <TheCan> i will have one too, but propably in 3-4 years ;)
[02:07] <ChibiFS> Like.. err... My mouse for example. o_O;.. It didn't like my mouse, and wouldn't let me boot with my mouse plugged in.
[02:07] <MobyTurbo> IBM makes sweet laptops
[02:07] <netsplit> Wow @ 7.5 hours.
[02:08] <avatar> hey guys :) ... how can i disable UTC? windows and ubuntu are constantly fighting with the clock
[02:08] <djtansey> MobyTurbo: mean anything to you?
[02:08] <djtansey> Moby: user.log:Nov 21 20:49:53 localhost hal.hotplug[19355] : DEVPATH is not set
[02:08] <bob2> avatar: /etc/default/rcS
[02:08] <djtansey> Moby: indeed they do make sweet laptops.
[02:08] <avatar> bob2: thanks :)
[02:09] <djtansey> Moby: or this? syslog.0:Nov 18 10:03:17 localhost hal.hotplug[11682] : timout(10000 ms) waiting for /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0
[02:09] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, unfortunately not. Are you using an ubuntu kernel?
[02:09] <ChibiFS> Oh yeah?!.. Well I've got a compaq LTE 5300 with a 133 mhz processor, 32 megs of ram, a 1.3 gig 4200 rpm hard-disk, and a 6 speed cdrom drive! D:
[02:09] <djtansey> Moby: up. 2.6.8
[02:09] <NetwrkMonkey> hey billytwowilly i found how to configure samba
[02:09] <NetwrkMonkey> :-)
[02:09] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, that sounds like something is wrong with udev or devfs or something.
[02:10] <TheCan> ChibiFS, this very thin one? :)
[02:10] <djtansey> Moby: doesn't matter anyways. just looked up just stuff from this boot. nothing interesting.
[02:10] <ChibiFS> Thin? It's 8 pounds, from 1996. I got it for 28 bucks, and use it to NX to home. :P
[02:10] <djtansey> another, unrelated, question -- can you change how many boots are between mandatory fsck checks?
[02:10] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, go to www.google.com/linux and plug in that error message there. That tends to be a great debugging tool. :-)
[02:11] <djtansey> Moby: I guessed that. saw some mention online but no answers. don't know what else to try. i'll try the google site
[02:11] <kapland> I just enabled universe, now whats this multiverse thing?
[02:11] <MobyTurbo> djtansey, you can change how many boots between fscks, I think with e2fsck tho I might be mistaken.
[02:11] <ChibiFS> multiverse is the most unsupported software, but it still works.
[02:12] <TheCan> breakverse :-)
[02:12] <MobyTurbo> kapland, multiverse is non-free-licensed software.
[02:12] <happyhobo> hello
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> I narrowed it down
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> mozilla-firefox just picks a bogus font for japanese
[02:14] <KneelBeforeXorg> epiphany too
[02:15] <sertmann> are there any databases avaible through the ubuntu respositories?
[02:15] <jono> hi all
[02:15] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, in universe there should be mysql and postgresql, among others.
[02:15] <jono> anyone here know how to clone a machine with linux?
[02:15] <KFM> Has anyone else had a problem of a blue screen during install?
[02:16] <happyhobo> I'm a Mepis user with Gnome 2.6.1 installed.  I wanted Ubuntu for its update and supports.  I was happy to find my new Ubuntu discs in the mail.   I ran the live CD and only the center 640 by 480 of my monitor.
[02:16] <kapland> MobyTurbo: ok, thanks
[02:16] <happyhobo> Mepis doesn't have this issue
[02:16] <kapland> MobyTurbo: equiv to debian non-free?
[02:16] <sertmann> MobyTurbo: all i could find was sql server, does the mysql project make something similar to access on windows?
[02:16] <MobyTurbo> kapland, yes
[02:17] <ChibiFS> happyhobo - It's a live CD, you need to specify the resolution on boot.
[02:17] <LinuxJones> happyhobo, what kind of video card do you have ?
[02:17] <bob2> MobyTurbo: kapland no
[02:17] <bob2> kapland: universe is unsupported Free software
[02:17] <bob2> multiverse is random non-free stuff
[02:17] <djtansey> btw -- i'm thinking of getting a new PDA. does anyone here have experience with palm PDAs and syncing with evolution?
[02:17] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, mysql is another sql style server.
[02:17] <kapland> where can you edit the gnome menu's in ubuntu?
[02:17] <happyhobo> dell inspiron 1100 intel extreme graphics 845 GL
[02:17] <ChibiFS> menu:///
[02:17] <ChibiFS> or applications:///
[02:17] <bob2> kapland: applications:/// in nautilus
[02:17] <jono>  would anyone here be interested in writing a hack for linux desktop hacks by o'reilly on cloning a machine with linux?
[02:18] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, there may be more easy to use database programs in the repository. Use apt-cache search and apt-cache show to look for them, or synaptic.
[02:18] <KFM> Has anyone else had a problem of a blue screen during install?
[02:18] <LinuxJones> jono, you mean making a system backup image of a Linux Desktop ?
[02:18] <sertmann> MobyTurbo: used synaptic, but couldn't find anything that worked
[02:19] <jono> LinuxJones, well cloning a machine so you can take a single cloned image and install it across lots of machines
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, the non-free version of open-office, star office, includes a database. Other than that I don't know.
[02:19] <LinuxJones> jono, I would be interested in doing that sure, is there any money in it ;D
[02:19] <happyhobo> no matter what I specify on boot up it still center screens and when in gnome I can't change to anything higher
[02:19] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, considering that universe is *huge* I'm sure there's something there for you.
[02:19] <sertmann> hmmm
[02:20] <jono> LinuxJones, could you /msg me so we can discuss it
[02:20] <LinuxJones> jono, sure
[02:20] <jono> not seeing a /msg
[02:20] <happyhobo> any ideas?
[02:21] <NetwrkMonkey> mmm
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> happyhobo, I couldn't even get the live CD to boot, I guess you're better off than me. :-)
[02:21] <MobyTurbo> happyhobo, the install CD is fine though. :-)
[02:21] <happyhobo> dang
[02:21] <NetwrkMonkey> Just installed ubuntu today and so far I like what I see
[02:21] <sertmann> even google doesn't come up with something usefull, how can there be no big database that you can actually enter data into for linux.... ah well, guess ill just use CrossOver office and install access through that
[02:21] <moj0rising> has anyone had trouble running synaptic or any other admin tools?
[02:22] <happyhobo> I'd like what I saw if it didn't have freq issues and res issues
[02:22] <moj0rising> I get an error: "child treminated with 1 status"
[02:22] <NetwrkMonkey> nope
[02:22] <bob2> sertmann: big database != desktop thing with built in Visual Basic
[02:23] <moj0rising> does anyone here know what that means?
[02:23] <bob2> m0you're not on hoary, right?
[02:23] <moj0rising> warty
[02:23] <happyhobo> I'm on warty
[02:23] <moj0rising> I had the PR and used apt get ..
[02:23] <happyhobo> actually I'm on Simply Mepis RC2
[02:23] <moj0rising> ..to upgrade to current warty.
[02:24] <moj0rising> I also am doing the normal root thing..
[02:24] <moj0rising> ..instead of sudo.
[02:24] <moj0rising> because that is what I'm more accustomed to.
[02:24] <sertmann> bob2: isn't a commandline database pretty hard to work with :-/
[02:24] <zerox> whats the apt-get packages for the c++ compiler?
[02:24] <moj0rising> boI think
[02:24] <scaroo> ok, not really ubuntu related but, i dunno which X lib i must use tu get the XF86VidModeQueryVersion method, isnt the vidmode extention part of xorg ??
[02:25] <BeatrIX> Who here uses a slow cpu and ubuntu?
[02:25] <zerox> is it like gcc-c++ or something
[02:25] <sertmann> and i meant big as in widely used btw :)
[02:25] <MobyTurbo> sertmann, there are many web front-ends to it. PHP is commonly used for front ends to mysql.
[02:25] <bob2> sertmann: no, you write an actual access layer for it
[02:25] <happyhobo> it appears that a straight gnome/debian linux distro won't work on this laptop
[02:25] <bob2> sertmann: or use something dodgy like openoffice's db thing
[02:25] <bob2> or phpmyadmin
[02:25] <TheCan> happyhobo, boot with "custom"
[02:26] <happyhobo> Gnoppix 0.8.1 did the exact same thing
[02:26] <moj0rising> bob2, I think my problem is from the way I use the root acct. WHat do you think?
[02:26] <kapland> bob2: thanks (that was kinda delayed :)
[02:26] <happyhobo> TheCan, custom?
[02:26] <zerox> *echo* c++ compiler package *echo* heeh
[02:26] <bob2> moj0rising: haha, possibly
[02:27] <TheCan> happyhobo, yes just install a minimal system without gnome, and install some small windowmanager on it
[02:27] <moj0rising> any ideas on how I can fix it?
[02:27] <moj0rising> Have you ever heard of this?
[02:27] <happyhobo> I want gnome though, YheCan
[02:27] <scaroo> zerox, g++
[02:28] <bob2> zerox: install build-essential
[02:28] <TheCan> Hak`M, oh sorry i thought you was this  low resource guy ;)
[02:28] <zerox> oy veigh thanks
[02:28] <bob2> g++ by itself won't do anything
[02:28] <zerox> what will build-essential do
[02:28] <TheCan> well you need to edit your X config file then by hand
[02:28] <TheCan> if this doesnt work
[02:28] <happyhobo> How?  LOL
[02:28] <Hak`M> TheCan: next time highlight the right person please :P
[02:29] <TheCan> :D
[02:29] <scaroo> zealot, build-essential is a mewtapackage installing gcc/g++/libc and so on ... everything needed to compile
[02:29] <TheCan> i'm sorry
[02:29] <bob2> zerox: read the package description
[02:29] <scaroo> ^zerox
[02:29] <happyhobo> how?
[02:30] <scaroo> so anybody knows about "XF86VIDMODE" ?
[02:31] <scaroo> this extension seems to have been dumped in xorg ... and a lot of things compile against it .. :(
[02:32] <bob2> a "lot of things"?
[02:32] <bob2> like what?
[02:32] <scaroo> like cairo for example
[02:32] <scaroo> not cairo
[02:32] <scaroo> glitz actually
[02:32] <bob2> cairo is not a "lot of things", it's a low-level X library
[02:32] <bob2> same
[02:33] <scaroo> hum a lot of program (will) need it
[02:33] <bob2> no, they;ll link against glitz or whatever
[02:34] <scaroo> gtk aims to use cairo for its rendering
[02:35] <bob2> apt-get install libxxf86vm-dev
[02:36] <bob2> (daniels)
[02:36] <scaroo> well , great thank you !
[02:41] <ghj> there is a problem for mounting vfat floppy
[02:41] <Faustus> can someone please help with an issue here with a floppy?
[02:41] <ghj> i need to modprobe vfat before mount it
[02:41] <ghj> faustus: is this the problem?
[02:42] <Faustus> well it doesn't mount, so I can't access it
[02:42] <Faustus> not from gui
[02:43] <ghj> faustus open a termian
[02:43] <Faustus> unless I sudo mount -t msdos /dev/fd0/ media/floppy0
[02:43] <ghj> digit sudo modprobe vfat
[02:43] <zerox> not sure if anyone knows how to handle this http://www.pastebin.com/124069 ... anyone answers would help =)
[02:43] <ghj> and try to mount and umount it from the guy
[02:43] <Faustus> but even there Ican open the documents contained.
[02:44] <Faustus> I'll try sudo modprobe vfat
[02:44] <kent> zerox, it seems as if you are trying to compile something that needs a gaim-devel package or something? what are you trying to compile?
[02:45] <zerox> guifications plugin
[02:46] <g3r4rd0> did anyone had a slow, very slow boot in ubuntu???
[02:46] <g3r4rd0> that's when i install linux-686, with the 386 version, boots ok
[02:46] <kent> zerox, I did a search for gaim in ubuntu with synaptic and i found only the gaim binary, so perhaps you should file a bug?
[02:47] <zerox> its just a lpugin for gaim im trying to compile, just says it cant find gaim installed
[02:47] <kent> zerox, when a configure-script complains about lack of .pc file, it's always  the lack of development-files for the named package that it means. Like gaim.pc means the dev-files for gaim.
[02:48] <zerox> so i should file a bug?
[02:49] <kent> zerox, yes, i would think so.
[02:49] <zerox> okey dokey
[02:49] <zerox> thanks
[02:50] <kent> zerox, On gaim.sourceforge.net there is -devel packages for Fedora,  so i think also Ubuntu should ship a -devel package, so that peopl can compile their own plugins for gaim. That seems fair.
[02:50] <jono> anyone else know how to clone a machine?
[02:51] <happyhobo> It looks like I just need to stick to Mepis with gnome added because this way i don't have to fight to just get my whole screen
[02:52] <happyhobo> The Dell Inspiron 1100 is a horrid little machine for Linux anyways
[02:53] <g3r4rd0> vguerra, did you fix your problem??
[02:53] <NetwrkMonkey> the 1100 is horrid for anything
[02:54] <happyhobo> Things like this make me wonder if linux will make it mainstream though
[02:54] <NetwrkMonkey> thep roblem is dell uses proprietary shit
[02:54] <NetwrkMonkey> :-)
[02:55] <NetwrkMonkey> let me emphasize the *shit* part heh
[02:55] <NetwrkMonkey> they used to use good parts
[02:55] <NetwrkMonkey> then they switched everything overseas and the quality started to slip horridly
[02:55] <zerox> sorry one last question... apt-get install gtk is it gtk or something like gtk2.0_0-devel
[02:56] <TheCan> arr
[02:56] <TheCan> why doesnt this mppe patch work?
[02:56] <happyhobo> yes but i could get old 3.1 to work on here and as advanced as linux has gotten very few distros work out of the box
[02:56] <TheCan> it says it didnt find any patches for 2.6.8.1-2
[02:57] <happyhobo> Mandrake and Mepis neither of which I want to use are the only ones that work immediately
[02:58] <egon_spengler> zerox: Try apt-cache search gtk for all the gtk items. That will give you the exact name you want
[02:58] <happyhobo> Mepis is awesome, can't knock it but it is tied up tight with Kde so there are conflicts installing gnome
[02:59] <ironwolf> hurray!  I solved my mount problem... many thanks to all who helped.
[02:59] <happyhobo> congrats ironwolf
[02:59] <linux_galore> hai folks
[02:59] <zerox> thanks
[02:59] <happyhobo> hi linux galore
[03:00] <ironwolf> anyone seeing where your cmos loses current date/time with latest hoary?
[03:01] <zerox> it says im using gtk 2.0 but when i compile gaim it says http://www.pastebin.com/124074
[03:01] <SCOUnix> hi
[03:01] <SCOUnix> so whats the latest with ubuntu?
[03:02] <GoneBoB> ?
[03:02] <ironwolf> SCOUnix: could you quantify a bit more?
[03:03] <XhyldazhK> hi all
[03:03] <SCOUnix> just wondering
[03:03] <XhyldazhK> debain packages are usable in Ubuntu?
[03:03] <GoneBoB> XhyldazhK: not exactly
[03:03] <kent> zerox, are you sure you have the libgtk2.0-dev package?    having the library is not the same thing as having the -devel package installed.
[03:04] <GoneBoB> however 'universe' packaes are debian
[03:05] <kent> zerox, install libgtk2.0-dev  using synaptic.
[03:05] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, that's not a very pleasing name you have there :D
[03:05] <zerox> man im such a newb... thanks Kent
[03:05] <XhyldazhK> GoneBoB, how do I add debian repositories to synaptic?
[03:05] <KneelBeforeXorg> SCOUnix: that's not a very interesting troll
[03:06] <GoneBoB> XhyldazhK: it's not recommended, you should simplyt  enable universe
[03:06] <GoneBoB> what do you actually want to ACHEIVE
[03:06] <vguerra> hi all!
[03:06] <XhyldazhK> GoneBoB, have latest latest latest games
[03:06] <LinuxJones> vguerra, hiya
[03:06] <kent> zerox, every one have been there, its nothing to be ashemed of. All that matters is to be able to ask precise questions, i guess..
[03:06] <vguerra> im having problems updating my kernel from 386 to 686
[03:06] <GoneBoB> latest games are all payfor and not packaged, last time I checked
[03:07] <XhyldazhK> latest opensourced versions of games and 3d stuff
[03:07] <zerox> and would you believe i installed gentoo stage1 in 3 weeks.. haha.. i must have installed it 10 times before it worked semi then i switched haha
[03:07] <XhyldazhK> or at least free ones like quake2 and wolfenstein et
[03:07] <vguerra> everithing goes cool.. but when i reboot with the 686 kernel image.. the system goes so slow ..
[03:07] <LinuxJones> vguerra, you mean the pre-packaged linux-images ?
[03:07] <vguerra> linuxjones, yeah.. the pre-package linux-images
[03:07] <GoneBoB> XhyldazhK: debian q2 is .. not very good
[03:08] <GoneBoB> and ET has it's own installer
[03:08] <LinuxJones> vguerra, what processor do you have ?
[03:08] <GoneBoB> ok, I'm out
[03:08] <XhyldazhK> thanx
[03:08] <vguerra> linuxjones, i have an intel pentium m
[03:08] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  Im pro sco in the lawsuit but im not anti linux
[03:08] <kent> zerox, most errors you get from running the configure script is about lack of devel packages. Like, to compile a package that uses gtk/gnome or something, you need both the library and the development package for that library. Thats the first thing to check when you get errors.  Use synaptic to check if you got packages like that installed. If it still complains, ask here :)
[03:08] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, how can you possibly be pro-SCO, they have nothing ?
[03:08] <vguerra> linuxjones: i already tried installing the kernel from the source... and the result is the same
[03:08] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  I havent seen an OS ready for the desktop yet
[03:08] <lil_anthony> anyone know if there is a debian package for fbsetbg? i'm using fluxbox and can't seem to find that package
[03:09] <zerox> thanks kent :)
[03:09] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:09] <SCOUnix> thanks
[03:09] <zerox> well, im gonna go... i just used make on gaim.... i fear the results it will display upon my terminal
[03:10] <SCOUnix> linuxjones:  we talk about ubuntu here
[03:10] <LinuxJones> vguerra, it is probably that intel hasn't provided many specs for the Mobile processor, might be easier to jsut use the 386 kernel unless you need some functionality from the 686 kernel
[03:11] <bob2> LinuxJones: please try to ignore the obvious trolls
[03:11] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, thanks for the information, I really appreciate it troll
[03:11] <vguerra> linuxjones: well 386 kernel work just fine for me.. its not so necesary the 686 kernel
[03:11] <SCOUnix> whos trolling, u brought up my nick
[03:11] <SCOUnix> i didnt make the 1st comment, u did
[03:11] <LinuxJones> bob2, I have a few beer into me :D
[03:11] <bob2> SCOUnix: please stop trolling
[03:11] <SCOUnix> bob2:  Huh?
[03:11] <SCOUnix> bob2:  We talk about ubuntu here
[03:12] <bob2> SCOUnix: your nick is designed to be annoyingly stupid, so just drop it completely
[03:12] <SCOUnix> bob2:  WTF?
[03:12] <bob2> SCOUnix: thanks
[03:12] <LinuxJones> SCOUnix, you entered here with it and started about backing SCO but being pro-Linux just leave please !!
[03:12] <bob2> LinuxJones: dude.
[03:13] <vguerra> linuxjones: i just wanted to install the 686 kernel because im having problems with the temperature.. my machine is going down because it tells that has reached the cretical temperature
[03:13] <LinuxJones> bob2, I know
[03:13] <bob2> thanks
[03:13] <vguerra> linuxjones: but i guess that it sounds more like a acpi problem
[03:13] <LinuxJones> vguerra, are your fans working properly ?
[03:13] <vguerra> linuxjones: yeha the fans works all the time
[03:13] <Faustus> thks that solved the floppy prob
[03:15] <grelli> and how is #ubuntu this -0700 evening?
[03:15] <vguerra> linuxjones: it kind of weird cause i can spend hours working with my laptop.. but if i ( for example ) try to compile the kernel.. it doesnt make it.. and goes down
[03:15] <LinuxJones> vguerra, I would re-boot and check the temperature settings in bios. I would rely on that information from there just to double check.
[03:15] <LinuxJones> thank god
[03:16] <grelli> SCOUnix eh?
[03:16] <LinuxJones> what an idiot
[03:16] <grelli> pro sco but not anti-linux
[03:16] <grelli> I don't get it
[03:16] <grelli> how does that work?
[03:16] <grelli> and why?
[03:17] <egon_spengler> Maybe some kin to Darl?
[03:17] <LinuxJones> grelli, probably a SCO lawyer looking to make a case for the entire world against their client :D
[03:17] <grelli> hehe
[03:17] <grelli> understandably
[03:18] <grelli> they're going to get spanked by IBM at some point
[03:18] <grelli> may as well line the next one up
[03:18] <bob2> it's just a stupid nick
[03:18] <grelli> bob2 don't be so loud, you'll upset nick
[03:19] <grelli> anywho
[03:19] <Fubar> did ubuntu cd ship yet?
[03:19] <LinuxJones> grelli, they have no case at all, not long ago Darl was saying that Linux had over a million lines of code that belonged to SCO. That has all gone away and now it is jsut a case of breach of contract or some garbage. I guess lying to the courts is not a crime in America ?
[03:19] <Fubar> i ordered one like on nov 20th
[03:19] <Fubar> err
[03:19] <bob2> Fubar: yes
[03:19] <Fubar> around there
[03:19] <grelli> I've noticed a rather odd behaviour lately
[03:19] <bob2> Fubar: if you rdered 8 days ago, yours on't be there for a while
[03:20] <Fubar> bob2:  how long ?  like a month?
[03:20] <bob2> Fubar: about that
[03:20] <grelli> if I select reboot or shutdown, upon re-logging in the X session dies
[03:20] <Fubar> i gather there would be a big waiting list
[03:20] <grelli> the fix is to chown $USER ~/.ICEauthority
[03:20] <bob2> Fubar: it's not a problem with that
[03:20] <Fubar> bob2:  ubuntu was nice enough to ship those cds out :)
[03:20] <grelli> has anyone else been seeing this
[03:20] <bob2> grelli: don't run k3b
[03:20] <LinuxJones> grelli, ya you have k3b installed
[03:20] <Fubar> bob2 oh
[03:21] <grelli> it's k3b that's doing that eh?
[03:21] <bob2> yes
[03:21] <grelli> I was wondering what would be causing it
[03:22] <grelli> hehehe
[03:22] <grelli> what gnome burners are available?
[03:22] <grelli> before toying with k3b I was an x-cd-roast guy
[03:22] <bob2> nautilus
[03:22] <grelli> that's seemed to not like me
[03:23] <grelli> though I am running Hoary, so I shouldn't be suprise
[03:23] <grelli> d
[03:23] <bob2> what's the number of the bug you filed?
[03:23] <ZeroX|AFK> does anyone know what package for ubuntu i need to shut it up from saying SSL support needed for GAIM
[03:24] <Fubar> bob2:  How do i take a screenshot for a bug i filed with x?
[03:24] <egon_spengler> ZeroX|AFK: Could be libnspr from mozilla for security
[03:24] <bob2> Fubar: computer -> screenshot or so
[03:24] <Fubar> oh
[03:24] <Fubar> doh
[03:24] <bob2> not in hoary tho, but then you know to read the "import" manpage
[03:24] <Fubar> bob2:  thats the wrong one actually...... uhmm
[03:24] <Fubar> hold on let me get the bug report
[03:25] <Fubar> lspci output, how do i get this?
[03:26] <Fubar> i have a livecd i just burnt
[03:26] <bob2> "lspci"
[03:26] <bob2> run it
[03:26] <Fubar> oh
[03:26] <Fubar> how do i run it so i can cut and paste it i mean
[03:26] <Fubar> like in windows its >filename.txt im used to
[03:26] <Fubar> is there a way with lspci?
[03:27] <Fubar> like lspci >filename.txt?
[03:27] <LinuxJones> lspci >> filename
[03:27] <bob2> erm, just do that
[03:27] <Fubar> oh 2 >>
[03:27] <Fubar> ok thanks :)
[03:27] <bob2> windows got that from unix shells
[03:27] <bob2> no, one >
[03:27] <Fubar> oh
[03:27] <LinuxJones> eother will work
[03:27] <ghj> is needed hald to automount usb key on ubuntu?
[03:27] <Fubar> thanks
[03:27] <LinuxJones> terr either
[03:27] <Fubar> let me boot up ubuntu
[03:27] <LinuxJones> err err
[03:27] <Fubar> brb
[03:28] <bob2> ghj: yes
[03:28] <bob2> it's generally a bad idea to remove stuff like that
[03:28] <grelli> bob2 I haven't filed a bug yet
[03:28] <ghj> bob2: but ubuntu had not installed it
[03:28] <grelli> I've been trying to stabilize the rest of my system
[03:29] <snausages> I'm having trouble downloading the ISO
[03:29] <grelli> I get the distinct impression something is dieing on me, but I'm not sure what yet
[03:29] <bob2> ghj: hal is in the default desktop system
[03:29] <gson> huttan nope
[03:29] <gson> sger inget
[03:29] <snausages> the last one I downloaded and burned on a cd didn't work, the install hung
[03:29] <bob2> snausages: just check the md5sum of the cd after you burn it
[03:30] <LinuxJones> snausages, it was probably a bad disk maybe
[03:30] <snausages> bob2, how do i check?
[03:30] <snausages> actually i downloaded the torrent file
[03:30] <snausages> and i thought that would complete properly
[03:30] <bob2> snausages: md5sum /dev/hdc or whatever
[03:30] <snausages> i'm on windows
[03:31] <bob2> oh well
[03:31] <LinuxJones> snausages, re-join the stream maybe you got dropped or something
[03:31] <bob2> that won't be the problem
[03:31] <snausages> I'll just download it again. and burn a new iso
[03:31] <LinuxJones> umm
[03:31] <bob2> not burning the CD correctly is a bigger issue
[03:31] <LinuxJones> yes it could be the problem
[03:31] <snausages> btw, at what speed should i burn the iso?
[03:31] <bob2> don't waste 650MB of bandwidth again
[03:32] <snausages> i burned the last one at 8x
[03:32] <LinuxJones> bob2, he has to re-join the same stream
[03:32] <bob2> LinuxJones: if you don't close BT early, I really doubt it downloaded incorrectly
[03:32] <snausages> I left it for a longer time that what it needed to download
[03:33] <LinuxJones> bob2, ya but I have been dropped from a bt stream before
[03:33] <snausages> but again, at which speed should i burn it?
[03:33] <bob2> do 2 or whatever if your drive is dodgy
[03:33] <snausages> ok
[03:34] <snausages> the lowest i can select is 4x
[03:35] <snausages> do i have to finalize the cd?
[03:35] <bob2> um, of course
[03:36] <warty> this is interesting
[03:36] <Fubar> oops
[03:36] <Fubar> bob2:  I tried gnoppix (powered by ubuntu)
[03:36] <Fubar> it doesnt have that same bug
[03:36] <Fubar> latest version
[03:36] <Fubar> i was going to use this to report it
[03:37] <bob2> the lspci output won't differ
[03:37] <MobyTurbo> gnoppix is Debian-based, not Ubuntu-based (though to add to the confusion Ubuntu is also Debian-based.)
[03:37] <Fubar> mobyturbo:  it says powered by ubuntu
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, not originally at least, maybe there are new developments...
[03:38] <Fubar> mobyturbo:  I have the latest one
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, gnoppix was originally a GNOME version of knoppix, which is Debian-based.
[03:38] <Fubar> yeah now ubuntu and gnoppix are working together
[03:39] <Fubar> in the gnome bar it has the about ubunut
[03:39] <Fubar> err ubuntu
[03:39] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, that's good, because my ubuntu live CD didn't work.
[03:39] <Fubar> i tried this one cause it had a newer version than ubuntu's livecd
[03:39] <Fubar> bob2 nope still get the error
[03:39] <MobyTurbo> luckily the ubuntu install CD works fine. :-)
[03:39] <Fubar> ill do the lspci now
[03:41] <bob2> gnoppix is very much involved with ubuntu
[03:41] <bob2> the latest release of gnoppix is the ubuntu live cd
[03:41] <MobyTurbo> bob2, the same as the warty one that didn't work here?
[03:41] <GotD0t> does anybody have dual-head configured in hoary?
[03:42] <bob2> the md5sums of the isos are the same, dude
[03:42] <MobyTurbo> bob2, hopefully both projects will fix this problem.
[03:43] <MobyTurbo> though I personally don't have much of a need of a Live CD, I have friends that would probably prefer trying a live CD first before committing to a dual-boot or Linux-only system.
[03:45] <GotD0t> how do you clear the bash history
[03:45] <jiyuu0> rm it
[03:45] <MobyTurbo> GotD0t, rm ~/.bash_history
[03:45] <Fubar> bob2:  is the one before latest which is also ubuntu powered the same as the livecd?
[03:45] <GotD0t> thanks MobyTurbo
[03:46] <Fubar> or is the latest one the same where it was brought up to sync?
[03:46] <Fubar> i downloaded this one cause it was a newer file date
[03:46] <Fubar> but i take it the 2 projects will be merged?
[03:46] <shingokii> Hi - whats the best way to get reaplayer going on ubuntu?
[03:47] <bob2> Fubar: no idea
[03:47] <Fubar> bob2:  how do i take a screenshot on the fly?
[03:47] <Fubar> bob2:  I need to record an error
[03:47] <Fubar> on the screen
[03:47] <Quest-Master> join #ika
[03:47] <Quest-Master> Eek
[03:48] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, Computer > take screenshot...
[03:48] <Fubar> moby i need to get to it by clicking an icon tho
[03:48] <Fubar> it occurs when i click on something
[03:48] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, maybe drag and drop the menu item.
[03:49] <Fubar> is there a command to do it so i can do it as i click on the browser?
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> Fubar, or use export from imagemagik, which is in the main repository.
[03:49] <bob2> Fubar: sleep ; import -window root ./screen,png
[03:49] <bob2> er, 'sleep 5s'
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> s/imagemagik/imagemagick
[03:49] <Fubar> bob2 so click on it then put it to sleep?
[03:49] <Fubar> bbo2:  It occurs as soon as i click on the icon, really fast
[03:50] <bob2> um, ok
[03:50] <bob2> no idea then
[03:51] <Fubar> no shortcut for screenshot?
[03:51] <shingokii> ah well I just used the bin installer, seemed to work ;)
[03:52] <sulkd> in current hoary? well the gnome team moved the shortcut from the panel package to the utils.. it will probably resurface next time the utils package gets released
[04:00] <bob2> it's an upstream gnome issue, not a ubuntu one
[04:02] <s0cks>      #
[04:06] <gnurt> --- # :Illegal channel name
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> haha
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> he's typing english in cyrillic
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> hi people of the channel ubuntu
[04:06] <snerfu> hi
[04:06] <KneelBeforeXorg> it's a russian keyboard layout on a US keyboard
[04:13] <s0cks> :P
[04:13] <s0cks> He got me
[04:14] <Fubar> wow
[04:15] <Fubar> ubuntu is working overtime tonite :)
[04:15] <Fubar> i sent out the logs for my bug, hit one of the developers in a collision on bugzilla :)
[04:15] <Fubar> turns out they wanted more info so i shot it over
[04:15] <eruin> freeciv is fun
[04:15] <eruin> :>
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> eruin: Indeed
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> I need an opinion
[04:16] <Fubar> why are bugs deleted from bugzilla?
[04:16] <Fubar> i gave them more info and the bug isnt on the list anymore
[04:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> Should I still go out? it is 1 AM here
[04:17] <Fubar> does that mean it was accepted?
[04:17] <Fubar> or deleted?
[04:17] <snerfu> no
[04:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> snerfu: no for me?
[04:18] <s0cks>     ,     . !
[04:21] <Fubar> dang
[04:21] <Fubar> ubuntu will never make it to primetime
[04:21] <Fubar> they keep closing out my bugs
[04:21] <Fubar> seems like they need more resources
[04:22] <Fubar> i had a screen rendering problem, they are like VESA is often problematic
[04:22] <s0cks> Fubar : Maybe it is just a multiple reference.
[04:22] <Fubar> s0cks:  Dunno
[04:22] <Fubar> s0cks:  i shot back problem occurs with warty install cd as well
[04:22] <Fubar> Please reopen this bug if you can reproduce this problem on the install CD;
[04:22] <Fubar> VESA is often problematic.
[04:23] <Fubar> which it does
[04:23] <Fubar> with the glx drivers
[04:23] <s0cks> When are they making the bug reporting client?
[04:23] <Fubar> new client?
[04:23] <Fubar> to replace bugzilla?
[04:23] <s0cks> Yeah
[04:23] <s0cks> It mentioned something somewhere.
[04:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> l
[04:26] <Fubar> linux tries to do too much
[04:26] <Fubar> it should not worry about drivers for others hardware
[04:26] <Fubar> should let the manufacturers handle those
[04:26] <Fubar> opensource of course :)
[04:26] <eruin> you wish
[04:26] <KneelBeforeXorg> the manufacturers don't make them, dude
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> besides, they'd never do a good job
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> they never do
[04:27] <Fubar> kneel:  With windows who makes the drivers?
[04:27] <Fubar> the hardware makers?
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> Fubar: they do
[04:27] <Fubar> or microsoft?
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> but that's not the way free software works
[04:27] <Fubar> kneel:  linux has limited resources
[04:27] <GotD0t> is it possible to set up 3d acceleration in hoary?
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahahahaha
[04:27] <KneelBeforeXorg> you're joking
[04:27] <Fubar> they try to do too much
[04:28] <big> does aney 1 need help?
[04:28] <Fubar> does Sun use the same xfree client?
[04:28] <Fubar> or they use their own?
[04:28] <Fubar> just curious
[04:28] <Fubar> they used to have their own
[04:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> I'll take 500 bored norwegians pounding on PCI dumps during the white nights over some underpaid hardware tech at S3
[04:28] <KneelBeforeXorg> microsoft has the power to FORCE the hw vendors to write their own drivers
[04:28] <Fubar> kneel:  Alot of em do tho..... just not opensource for linux
[04:28] <Fubar> like nvidia has linux drivers
[04:29] <Fubar> the glx drivers are closed source right?
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> MS is d00med
[04:30] <Hikaru79> How efficient is kill and killall? Does it completely free up the resources and memory used up by the 'kill'ed application?
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> And they break every time Xfree changes their ABIs
[04:30] <netsplit> How bad is it to plug a 5V power adapter into a device that wants 4.5V?
[04:30] <GotD0t> i wish you were right _|Imanewbie|_
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> Hikaru79: a killed application will release all non-shared resources
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> netsplit: what's the tolerance listed?
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> netsplit: sometimes the device will have a +/-
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Ubuntu is the kind of project that shows hoe simple and power full linux can be
[04:30] <KneelBeforeXorg> and so will the adapter
[04:30] <s0cks> KneelBeforeXorg: You in the linux mafia?
[04:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> s0cks: you mean rick moen?
[04:31] <s0cks> KneelBeforeXorg : You are linux genious.
[04:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> ...
[04:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> besides look at the crappy programs they offer like explorer compared with mozilla it is a piece of $hit
[04:31] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: The adapter says: INPUT: 100-240V ~ 50/60Hz 0.27-0.17A 23-32VA 13W
[04:31] <s0cks> Yeah
[04:31] <s0cks> Mozilla pwns all
[04:31] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: OUTPUT: 5V 2A
[04:31] <KneelBeforeXorg> hmmm
[04:31] <Burgundavia> netsplit: you might kill the thing, but amps are worse
[04:32] <s0cks> Some moron prefers IE to Firefox even though he has used both.
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> netsplit: yeah, amps are the big problem.
[04:32] <netsplit> Burgundavia: which am I likely to kill, the adapter or the radio?
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> radio
[04:32] <Burgundavia> the radio
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> overvoltage isn't as bad as undervoltage
[04:32] <Burgundavia> adapters are pretty tough
[04:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> s0cks: some people prefer masturbation than sex, there allways be dump ppl
[04:32] <GotD0t> netsplit, what type of radio?
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> what does the radio say about the amps?
[04:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> you can calculate
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> see if it comes out in the wash
[04:33] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: Either 70A or 70mA, don't remember which.
[04:33] <s0cks> There is this one song that is like 'and I think sex is over rated too.
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahahaha
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> 70A!!!
[04:33] <netsplit> GotD0t: it's a Sony ICF-M410V digital radio.
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> almost certainly mA
[04:33] <netsplit> OK, pardon me. 70mA it is.
[04:33] <KneelBeforeXorg> sorry
[04:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> for most electronics you'll rarely see more than a handful of amperes
[04:34] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: it takes 3 1.5V AA batteries.
[04:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> I'm going to eat something or someone =p lets see what the bar has to offer back sometime
[04:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> aha, now we're getting somewhere
[04:34] <linux_galore> hmm milliamperes
[04:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> is it a tiny little device?
[04:34] <GotD0t> netsplit, but the question is are the batteries in series or parallel ;-)
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> hahaha
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> GotD0t: almost certainly in series, you goof
[04:35] <GotD0t> KneelBeforeXorg, it was a joke
[04:35] <linux_galore> Ive got cpu's Im designing into new products thats use micro amperes
[04:35] <netsplit> Yes, it's pretty small.
[04:35] <GotD0t> KneelBeforeXorg, is a dinky little AM/FM/Weather band reciever
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> ah
[04:35] <netsplit> Yes.
[04:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah, it's probably not got much in the way of power tolerance
[04:35] <netsplit> That didn't come with an adapter.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> also
[04:36] <GotD0t> wanna see what radio i'm getting?
[04:36] <netsplit> The adapter I'm thinking of using came from my PDA.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> check to make sure that the power brick's polarity matches the radio's
[04:36] <GotD0t> http://www.icomamerica.com/products/amateur/t2h/
[04:36] <netsplit> The polarity matches.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> okay
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> and the connector's the same size?
[04:36] <netsplit> Yes, same size.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> wow
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> what luck
[04:36] <Burgundavia> I have a question regarded fam and gamin
[04:36] <netsplit> Question is can I use it? Hehe.
[04:36] <KneelBeforeXorg> my guess is that you could risk it
[04:37] <Burgundavia> Can I remove fam now that gamin is installed?
[04:37] <GotD0t> netsplit, you might be able to pick one up from radio shack at the correct Voltage
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah
[04:37] <netsplit> KneelBeforeXorg: so you think the adapter won't go bad?  I'm more worried about the adapter because the PDA was expensive and would be useless without one hehe.
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> it's best to get one that matches
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> aha
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> the adapter will be ine
[04:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> but you could blow a zener or something in the radio
[04:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> pumping too much power out
[04:38] <GotD0t> netsplit, whats the correct voltage? 4.5?
[04:38] <Gmail> KneelBeforeXorg: no KneelBeforeXfree
[04:38] <netsplit> Yes, the radio wants 4.5.
[04:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> Gmail: cower under the might of the tyrant from Krypton!
[04:38] <GotD0t> netsplit, AC or DC?
[04:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> GotD0t: troll.
[04:39] <netsplit> The radio wants DC.
[04:39] <GotD0t> KneelBeforeXorg, troll that has taken up residence
[04:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> haha
[04:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> it wants the same profile as three AA batteries
[04:39] <GotD0t> netsplit, radioshack sells them
[04:39] <GotD0t> netsplit, i just checked... they have them in 4.5V
[04:39] <linux_galore> if its a radio it will be DC.....if itsd a small portable job  2.7-6v should be fine @ 100-200ma
[04:39] <netsplit> I have a universal adapter from Radio Shack from years ago, and it didn't have a plug that fit this hole.
[04:40] <s0cks> gmail : Kneelbeforeopenoffice
[04:40] <GotD0t> netsplit, but its the right votltage?
[04:40] <netsplit> Yes, I have a universal adapter that does from 1.5 to 9V I think, but none of the plugs fit.
[04:40] <GotD0t> err... votltage = voltage,
[04:40] <GotD0t> go to radioshack... they sell adapters that should fit
[04:40] <linux_galore> GotD0t: with small devices the volatge isnt a problem its the current...the single trasistor regulators in those things have a +- of over 100%
[04:40] <GotD0t> like individuals
[04:41] <KneelBeforeXorg> what you need is a voltaic pile
[04:41] <Gmail> s0cks: KneelBeforeDebian
[04:41] <GotD0t> Gmail: shut up
[04:41] <linux_galore> netsplit: whats thew current rating on the brick
[04:41] <s0cks> Gmail : Shut up.
[04:41] <netsplit> linux_galore: 70mA.
[04:42] <s0cks> Debian < Ubuntu
[04:42] <bob2> Gmail: s0cks please stop it
[04:42] <linux_galore> Net fine is this a small 2  AA battery radio or 4 battery
[04:42] <s0cks> bob2 : me? Little old me?
[04:42] <bob2> this isn't an approriate place to have 'distro warz'
[04:42] <netsplit> linux_galore: the radio wants three AA battries.
[04:42] <s0cks> Im innocent.
[04:42] <bob2> s0cks: anyway
[04:42] <linux_galore> Net ok you will need 6v  to compensate for the 30% loss on the regulator
[04:43] <GotD0t> netsplit, best thing to do would be to take it to radioshack and have them take a look at it
[04:43] <linux_galore> Net I design small portable devices for a living
[04:43] <netsplit> linux_galore: could you explain that?
[04:43] <Gmail> GotD0t: shut up too
[04:43] <GotD0t> netsplit, you nevermind... listen to him
[04:44] <netsplit> My adapter does 5V 2A I think, and the radio wants 4.5V 70mA.
[04:44] <egon_spengler> netsplit Ratshack would have one of the variable voltage adapters for yer device, running about 12-14 USD
[04:45] <netsplit> egon_spengler: You're losing me, why do I want variable voltage?  I want exactly 4.5 volts right?
[04:45] <linux_galore> Net well ok for starters 3 x 1.5 is 4.5  ok now thats un-regulated so its fed straight onto the power rail in the radio with a power pack you usually regulate it because power packs are crap in general and with that comes some loss because your using an el-cheapo single transistor regulator in a radio
[04:45] <s0cks> hmm. I wish my install cds would get here.
[04:45] <egon_spengler> netsplit: The adapter has slider for 1.5/3/4.5/6 volts DC, based on one, two, three, or four 1.5 v cells.
[04:46] <linux_galore> Net so 6v from a power pack after its regulated would hit the power raid at about 4.5
[04:46] <netsplit> egon_spengler: Yes, I have one of those, but the plug doesn't fit the hole.
[04:46] <linux_galore> rail*
[04:46] <bob2> GotD0t: Gmail: stop telling people to shut up
[04:47] <netsplit> linux_galore: so my PDA adapter that does 5V is too weak?
[04:47] <egon_spengler> netsplit: The newer ones from RatShack have a socket and you get to pick the one that fits yer socket. They have an octopus to let you check to see which one fits.
[04:47] <netsplit> linux_galore: is it safe for me to try it then without fear of breaking the adapter or the radio?
[04:47] <linux_galore> Net no most power packs usually over supply also by about 20% so you should get away with it
[04:48] <netsplit> egon_spengler: OK and lol @ RatShack.
[04:48] <egon_spengler> netsplit: I was a wage slave at the place for five years
[04:48] <netsplit> Aha.
[04:48] <epod> I will be so happy when I get my new motherboard and can format my home pc for ubuntu..
[04:49] <linux_galore> Net thats why you have to have the regulator on the power pack socket.....dont put one on the socket and even if you do use the right power pack the device wont last long so all devices have a regulator on power pack sockets
[04:49] <GotD0t> i will be so happy when this CRT finally dies so i can get a new one and not go crazy from this f'in ringing
[04:49] <netsplit> linux_galore: what's a power pack socket?
[04:49] <linux_galore> Net anything that allows you to plug a power pack into a device there is a massive range of them
[04:50] <usual> firestarter is cool
[04:50] <GotD0t> netsplit i dont suppose you would know of a way to reduce the ringing in my dying CRT?
[04:50] <linux_galore> Net  a socket is usually referred to as the female side of the relationship with a "plug"
[04:51] <netsplit> GotD0t: Err ... no?
[04:51] <netsplit> linux_galore: so the socket is on the radio?
[04:51] <linux_galore> Net yep
[04:51] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  your crt got flicker
[04:51] <netsplit> linux_galore: so you're telling me the radio has a regulator inside, so it won't get hurt if I feed it too much or too little power?
[04:52] <GotD0t> linux_galore, excuse me?
[04:52] <GotD0t> linux_galore, there this high pitched whine coming from it
[04:52] <linux_galore> Net well too little will just mean you wont get max volume too much will blow the regulator but the regulator is pretty tolerant
[04:53] <GotD0t> linux_galore, used to be only when there was a high concentration of white on the screen, but now its always
[04:53] <linux_galore> GotD0t: aaah means one of the large power regulator caps is going south or the EHT is running hot from the latter
[04:54] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i have no idea what you just said, but ill take it
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> back
[04:54] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  basically its getting old and a cap is failing soon it will collapse all together and you will have a nice crappy picture or none
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> I wonder where to go out to get a chick
[04:55] <GotD0t> linux_galore, anyway to fix whatever you just said... or would it be easier and/or cheaper to get a new one
[04:55] <GotD0t> linux_galore, well obviously not a new CRT
[04:55] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  usually you can track it with some hot/cold solvent just spray the caps when they are warm when it stops the one you sprayed needs replacing
[04:56] <GotD0t> linux_galore, but that would require me to open it up ;-)
[04:56] <linux_galore> GotD0t: lol I forget at times not everyone lives with piles of junk open on their desk at work
[04:57] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i do live with them... but i've heard stories of people cracking open a CRT and well not being too happy afterwards
[04:57] <epod> linux_galore, I do, but in my case, people seem to think they're 'computers' that are worth using
[04:58] <linux_galore> GotD0t: actually new crt's are pretty simplen compared to some of the earlier svg stuff that came out
[04:58] <GotD0t> linux_galore, im not about to crack it open, i know a lot about electronics but i really wouldn't like to test my knowledge on it
[04:58] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, I plugged it in and it seems to work.  Do you think this will shorten the lifetime of the radio and if so by how much?
[04:58] <linux_galore> epod: just run Office 97 under codeweavers
[04:59] <linux_galore> ls ~/Desktop/cross*:
[04:59] <linux_galore> /home/logan1/Desktop/crossover-standard_4[1] .0-1_i386.deb
[05:00] <LucidVisions> epod: ive done it,its doable
[05:00] <epod> openoffice > MS Office - but no, I fix people's PC's, installing Linux on them isn't really so much of an option ;)
[05:00] <LucidVisions> but rough
[05:00] <epod> I am having an fun time convincing my GF to let me put Linux on our home PC
[05:00] <LucidVisions> epod: just cut down the xp services, and turn off the gui effects
[05:00] <epod> I am having to get her addicted to frozenbubble and pingus so that she likes games that are on linux ;)
[05:00] <epod> LucidVisions, yeah, true.
[05:00] <linux_galore> Net well this is a 5v power pack at 70ma right....to be honest it should last years at that rating
[05:01] <s0cks> Linux has better screen savers than windows
[05:01] <GotD0t> anybody know how to get dual head working in hoary?
[05:01] <linux_galore> yeah some of the OpenGL screensavers in Linux are stunning
[05:02] <netsplit> linux_galore: Well the adapter is 5V, I've got no idea how many amps.  The radio wants 70mA.  The adapter says: INPUT: 100-240V ~ 50-60Hz 0.27-0.17A 23-32VA 13W OUTPUT: 5V 2A ... if that means anything to you.
[05:02] <sjoerd> linux_galore: have a look at an sgi machine sometime, they have some very very nice screensavers
[05:02] <netsplit> (/me loves Mac OS X screensavers.(
[05:03] <netsplit> )*
[05:03] <linux_galore> Net dont use it too much amperage
[05:03] <linux_galore> Net its 2A out
[05:03] <big> does aney 1 need help?
[05:03] <linux_galore> thats  2,000ma  you want  70ma
[05:03] <netsplit> linux_galore: Oh, uh oh?  I just plugged it in and it worked.
[05:04] <linux_galore> Net pull it out before you over heat the regulator
[05:05] <GotD0t> haha
[05:05] <shaolin_> me!
[05:05] <shaolin_> hey big
[05:05] <GotD0t> big if someone needs help im sure they'll ask
[05:05] <shaolin_> notorius b.i.g.
[05:05] <linux_galore> Net as I said the voltage isnt the big danger its the OUTPUT Amperage
[05:05] <shaolin_> ok the version of firefox installed is a "reverted .93"
[05:05] <shaolin_> but I would like to install 1.0
[05:06] <GotD0t> shaolin_, pull the binary from firefox.com
[05:06] <shaolin_> I googled and found a procedure to set a trivial repository
[05:06] <shaolin_> hey dot...don't speak out of line
[05:06] <shaolin_> my question wasn't that anyways
[05:06] <shaolin_> It was ...what instability would i encoutner
[05:06] <linux_galore> Net you can run a small TV of 12v 2A  lol
[05:06] <shaolin_> since unbuntu must have had a good reason to not include it
[05:06] <LucidVisions> does anyone know that program that makes kde and gnome apps look alike..ie..more fluid and seamless
[05:07] <GotD0t> shaolin_, firefox 1 is stable and it came out after warty was released
[05:07] <linux_galore> lol 2 firefox 1 being stable
[05:07] <GotD0t> linux_galore, details
[05:07] <shaolin_> it seems more buggy then 1.0PR
[05:07] <netsplit> linux_galore: Why does my PDA want that many amps?
[05:07] <GotD0t> then why upgrade?
[05:07] <linux_galore> GotD0t:  the extensions and themes menu UI tool makes Firefox randomly crash
[05:07] <GotD0t> linux_galore, is that true?
[05:08] <linux_galore> GotD0t: I went back to 0.9
[05:08] <shaolin_> it's more stable than .93
[05:08] <shaolin_> at least the mini back buttons with your history works
[05:08] <GotD0t> GAH... i want my warty back
[05:08] <shaolin_> in the vanilla install it becomes greyed out at times
[05:08] <shaolin_> and my mozillamplayer plug-in is missing it's controls
[05:09] <shaolin_> I wanted to try it on 1.0
[05:09] <linux_galore> GotD0t: I wasnt the only person noticing that lots of people noticed how 1.0 was less stable than 0.9x  even an article on slashdot about it last week
[05:09] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i havent had probs with it
[05:09] <linux_galore> although I must admit Java works better on 1.0
[05:09] <shaolin_> it's better than IE ok
[05:10] <shaolin_> which is at 6.0
[05:10] <GotD0t> linux_galore, then again i didnt have problems with 1PR or .9x
[05:10] <linux_galore> GotD0t: 0.9 was fine....but 1.0 as soon as I started to add stuff and play with the menu options started crashing
[05:10] <ghj> hi anybody know why on ubuntu i cant resolve dns from a shared internet connection?
[05:11] <GotD0t> brb
[05:11] <linux_galore> ghj: eeer you havent defined your gateway properly
[05:12] <ghj> linux_galore: i'm running a dhcp server, ubunt get ip and gataway from here
[05:12] <GotD0t> ok im back... had to restart x
[05:12] <linux_galore> ghj: type route  make sure the gateway is there
[05:12] <shaolin_> ghj then check your dhcpizzle my nizzle
[05:13] <ghj> shaolin_ : from a windows machinge works
[05:14] <shaolin_> your ethernet is working fine right?
[05:14] <ghj> linux_galore: route is empty
[05:14] <ghj> shaolin
[05:14] <shaolin_> ifconfig
[05:14] <ghj> _ping on internal ip works fine
[05:14] <ghj> yes if config is fine
[05:15] <shaolin_> when you installed ubuntu was the internet connectivity working?
[05:16] <erik> hey, does wine/winex work with ubuntu amd64?
[05:16] <shaolin_> did you opt to download the updates and what not
[05:16] <linux_galore> erik: should do amd/64 run x86-32
[05:16] <linux_galore> runs*
[05:16] <erik> linux_galore: *should* but doesn't *seem* to and I'm wondering what I did wrong :p
[05:17] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, I got the thing just a little wrong.  The radio wants 700mA and 4.5V, so how bad with an adapter that does 5V and 2A?
[05:17] <linux_galore> Net I wouldnt go above 1A
[05:18] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, thanks!
[05:18] <shaolin_> dude u don't have enough voltage
[05:18] <linux_galore> Net you can get generic 800ma supplies everywhere
[05:18] <shaolin_> make one
[05:18] <shaolin_> step down transformer
[05:19] <shaolin_> then rectifier bridge
[05:19] <linux_galore> Net 600->1a  5->6v  should be fine
[05:19] <shaolin_> then an rlc circuit for filtering
[05:19] <shaolin_> and voila
[05:19] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, thanks.
[05:20] <linux_galore> shaolin_: just use a simple dc->dc regulator lol with a fat heatsink
[05:20] <shaolin_> they could if their source was dc already
[05:20] <linux_galore> shaolin_: it is
[05:20] <shaolin_> shit...just get some batteries yo
[05:20] <netsplit> The source is the adapter for my PDA.
[05:21] <shaolin_> if you want a "quick" work around
[05:21] <linux_galore> shaolin_: at 700ma those batteries are going to be flat fast
[05:21] <netsplit> Well I *was* using batteries, but three AA batteries only lasted a week.
[05:21] <shaolin_> not a lead acid
[05:21] <shaolin_> they have lead acid batteries for laptops
[05:21] <shaolin_> or what about lion?
[05:22] <shaolin_> a laptop battery
[05:22] <linux_galore> Net you could always get a cheap assed 6v gel cel battery and use that power pack to recharge it and that cell should run for a few weeks
[05:22] <shaolin_> or just get a new powerpack
[05:22] <shaolin_> lol
[05:22] <shaolin_> i'm not really laughing however
[05:22] <linux_galore> depends how mobile he wants to be
[05:23] <shaolin_> he could gut out one of those hand powered flashlights
[05:23] <shaolin_> and connect that
[05:23] <shaolin_> he'd have to keep spinning it around though
[05:23] <shaolin_> weee
[05:24] <linux_galore> you can buy a battery pack that holds D cells with a power pack connector and a switch if you want it still portable but to last longer
[05:24] <shaolin_> d cells are huge
[05:24] <netsplit> How do I connect that D type batteries to the radio?
[05:24] <linux_galore> I saw a wind up radio at the markets they make them cheap now
[05:24] <shaolin_> might as well use the lion
[05:24] <sulkd> anyone else having problems getting disks-admin to create new mountpoints and sync them with fstab?
[05:25] <shaolin_> shit....just buy a radio
[05:25] <shaolin_> lol
[05:25] <Gmail> why is ubuntu live based on morphix when it can just be gnoppix which is based on ubuntu
[05:25] <sulkd> and why does the icon for disks-admin in system-configuration run the app, then ask for a sudo password when I close it at which point it will start it again?
[05:25] <linux_galore> Net well you can buy a pre-built battery holder now with the power pack connector and cable already setup just put the d cells in the box and plug the power cable in the power cable socket on the device in question
[05:25] <shaolin_> gnoppix is not based on ubuntu
[05:26] <shaolin_> knoppix/gnoppix and unbuntu are based on debian
[05:26] <shaolin_> gnoppix is just called that cause it uses gnome
[05:27] <linux_galore> though Ubuntu is actually more based on morphix/debian
[05:27] <linux_galore> thought*
[05:27] <shaolin_> debian is the root
[05:27] <shaolin_> it's not like these people are innovating
[05:28] <linux_galore> yes but Ubuntu used morphix to fast track its live CD rigg because morphix is very modular so you can create your own rig easily
[05:28] <mdz> shaolin_: gnoppix is (now) based on Ubuntu
[05:28] <shaolin_> does it have k3b?
[05:28] <linux_galore> lol doubt it
[05:29] <linux_galore> k3b is a kde app
[05:29] <mdz> if "it" is gnoppix, then no
[05:29] <shaolin_> u can run k3b on ubuntu
[05:29] <shaolin_> which is gnome
[05:29] <shaolin_> they have a gtk version
[05:29] <mdz> you can run it on gnoppix as well, but it is not installed on the live CD that you download
[05:29] <gson> hm ive got some problem with the sound in gmplayer
[05:29] <linux_galore> ?? is there a gtk based version of k3b??   news to me
[05:29] <gson> Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound.Audio: no sound
[05:30] <shaolin_> dude it's on the unbuntu website
[05:30] <shaolin_> look in the howto section
[05:30] <linux_galore> shaolin_: yeah but dont you have to download all the kde base stuff first to run k3b
[05:30] <shaolin_> nope
[05:31] <shaolin_> I'm running it right now
[05:31] <shaolin_> burning 5th hope mp3's
[05:31] <linux_galore> so what widget set is k3b using then
[05:31] <enntee> I'm having some issues with rhythmbox/gstreamer on ubuntu. All my files played flawlessly on debian, but after upgrading (*grin*) to ubuntu, a lot of my songs no longer play with gstreamer. I have gstreamer0.8-mad and gstreamer0.8-lame installed, and everything plays fine with xine. Any thoughts?
[05:31] <shaolin_> gtk!
[05:31] <shaolin_> i just said "gtk version"
[05:31] <shaolin_> just look at the site
[05:31] <linux_galore> shaolin_: so the answer to my first question is "yes there is a gtk version of k3b"
[05:31] <shaolin_> if you don't believe me
[05:31] <shaolin_> www.ubuntulinux.org
[05:32] <shaolin_> omg...
[05:32] <shaolin_> i said...gtk version of k3b
[05:32] <billytwowilly> gtk version of k3b?
[05:32] <shaolin_> billy get with the program
[05:32] <shaolin_> bottom line you can run k3b on ubuntu
[05:32] <billytwowilly> heh. never hear do of it. k3b is horribly broken anyway
[05:32] <gson> someone that had some prob with the sound in gmplayer?
[05:32] <shaolin_> WHAt?!
[05:32] <shaolin_> why do you say that
[05:32] <billytwowilly> requires kcontrol, which has a file that is included in another kde package I have installed
[05:32] <shaolin_> how do you know it's not just your cdburner
[05:33] <shaolin_> or dvd burner
[05:33] <shaolin_> as the case may be
[05:33] <gson> k3b owns
[05:33] <gson> works just fine
[05:33] <shaolin_> amen
[05:33] <billytwowilly> When apt tries install kcontrol it fails because it can't overwrite the file
[05:33] <shaolin_> it installed on mine
[05:33] <gson> same here
[05:33] <shaolin_> no failing at all
[05:33] <billytwowilly> yah, it works, just the package is borked, or more accurately, kcontrol and another kde package is borked
[05:33] <shaolin_> kcontrol cdrdao and k3b from apt command line
[05:33] <billytwowilly> they provide the same file..
[05:34] <gson> shaolin_ do you use gmplayer?
[05:34] <mdz> there is no gtk port of k3b as far as I am aware
[05:34] <shaolin_> yeah
[05:34] <shaolin_> it doesn't even come up
[05:34] <mdz> however, you can install the usual KDE version of k3b on Ubuntu
[05:34] <gson> no problem with the sound?
[05:34] <shaolin_> but the mozillamplayer plug in works
[05:34] <shaolin_> and so does xmms
[05:34] <gson> jupp
[05:34] <shaolin_> sound works
[05:34] <gson> xmms works fine and everything else, just gmplayer that wont work:/
[05:34] <billytwowilly> shaolin_,  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[05:35] <shaolin_> but i think a skin or something isn't working
[05:35] <billytwowilly> shaolin_, dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:35] <mdz> billytwowilly: warty or hoary?
[05:35] <shaolin_> billy i'm saying mine worked
[05:35] <billytwowilly> mdz, it happened in both. I'm currently running hoary
[05:35] <gson> oh well, its 05.40 here so iam off to bed
[05:35] <shaolin_> I just burned my friend a dvd yesterday
[05:35] <billytwowilly> shaolin_, yah, k3b works fine, it's the package deps that are borked.
[05:35] <shaolin_> i could see that
[05:36] <shaolin_> I've never used kde in my life
[05:36] <shaolin_> aside from casual knoppix use
[05:36] <billytwowilly> kde rocks
[05:36] <linux_galore> hmm cant find any gtk version of kde listed anywere all QT based
[05:36] <shaolin_> but i stay on commandline
[05:36] <billytwowilly> It's better than gnome in so many ways, then again gnome is better than kde in so many ways as well.
[05:36] <shaolin_> it's just preference
[05:36] <shaolin_> I'm not a kde hater or anything
[05:36] <shaolin_> I'm just not use to it
[05:36] <shaolin_> plus it's not totally free
[05:36] <linux_galore> gtk based version of k3b sorry
[05:36] <shaolin_> and I believe in free software
[05:37] <linux_galore> for starters k3b is c++
[05:37] <billytwowilly> kde is totally free. It uses the gpld version of QT
[05:37] <shaolin_> ok you must not know what gtk and qt are
[05:37] <shaolin_> if you're citing the LANGUAGE it's written in
[05:37] <shaolin_> they use some xfree remanants
[05:37] <shaolin_> which are not totaly free
[05:38] <linux_galore> shaolin_: you just told me there is a gtk version of k3b but k3b is all QT and c++
[05:38] <billytwowilly> xfree remnants in kde?
[05:39] <linux_galore> shaolin_: also k3b used kmfclient and you need kde base for that
[05:39] <linux_galore> uses
[05:40] <linux_galore> <-- is on the k3b home page
[05:40] <epod> k3b also doesn't work properly with 2.6.8
[05:41] <linux_galore> epod: thats not k3b fault thats a kernel bug thats why you use 2.6.8-1
[05:41] <epod> linux_galore, bug still exists in 2.6.8-1.
[05:41] <GotD0t> i know ive asked it a million times... but is it possible to get 3d acceleration working in hoary?
[05:41] <linux_galore> epod: not on my machine it doesnt
[05:42] <epod> LucidVisions, it looks like crap in gnome unless you somehow make it use your GTK theme
[05:42] <LucidVisions> epod: its cool,im using kde
[05:42] <Gmail> hey how do a format a usb thumd i got a guy comig soon wanting me to do it for him
[05:42] <epod> LucidVisions, then it'll look fine :)
[05:42] <linux_galore> epod: use the gtk-kde tool that maps themes to different apps
[05:43] <GotD0t> gmail: why did you offer to format it, if you didnt know how to in the first place?
[05:43] <linux_galore> epod: you can map your local gnome theme to kde apps
[05:43] <linux_galore> epod: and vice versa now
[05:43] <epod> linux_galore, hm, cool.  Got a url with instructions on that?
[05:44] <linux_galore> epod: last I saw it was on both these sites http://www.kde-look.org and http://www.kde-apps.org
[05:44] <linux_galore> I never used it because Im just too plain lazy
[05:47] <Gmail> GotD0t: i didn't offer he made me too because i installed linux on hisnew system
[05:48] <macewan> cool, just installed dashboard :)
[05:48] <epod> Gmail, mkefs
[05:48] <epod> mkfs.. something like that
[05:49] <linux_galore> epod: the apps called  gtk-qt
[05:49] <linux_galore> lets you intergarte qt/gtk themes so apps all look the same
[05:50] <LucidVisions> linux_galore: your a life saver,,ive been searching for that app for 2 hours..
[05:51] <GotD0t> gmail... just do man mkfs its fairly simple
[05:53] <linux_galore> heres what I found on gtk-qt -> http://www.kde-look.org/content/search.php?PHPSESSID=9402384e020777f8b464dcfbb66d8dcf
[05:53] <linux_galore> few odds and ends
[05:53] <linux_galore> slashdot also did an article about it early this year
[05:54] <Faustus> any of you guys know about the "temporary failure in name resolution"  when booting and trying to synchonisw time?
[05:55] <linux_galore> hmm although gtk-qt is the wrong app you need  qt-gtk really
[05:56] <LucidVisions> both would be good a,,i just installed this,http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt,so everything would be fluid
[05:59] <LucidVisions> im lame,,i need to learn how to post up a proper link,sorry wont happen again
[05:59] <linux_galore> looks ok here
[06:00] <linux_galore> seems theres a missing app there something that changes QT apps into GTK because they already have something for the other way around
[06:00] <linux_galore> theme wise
[06:01] <LucidVisions> true..
[06:01] <linux_galore> cant see the Ubuntu gnome hugging folk defaulting to a QT theme so everything looks the same
[06:02] <linux_galore> unless they port the theme to QT first
[06:02] <linux_galore> from gnome
[06:03] <LucidVisions> hehe,very true.
[06:03] <linux_galore> shame really some nice tools in the kde toolbox
[06:03] <LucidVisions> most definatly
[06:04] <netsplit> If there's a problem with the kernel and it doesn't boot, how do you catch the boot messages as it scrolls by?
[06:04] <linux_galore> I can understand the freedesktop.org logic now pick the best app for a newbie and ignore were it comes from then glue it all together
[06:05] <linux_galore> Net kernel log in /var
[06:05] <linux_galore> Net or dmesg
[06:05] <netsplit> linux_galore: it doesn't boot.
[06:05] <linux_galore> Net hmm
[06:05] <netsplit> linux_galore: couldn't find init.
[06:06] <billytwowilly> knoppix boot cd then look at the logs
[06:06] <linux_galore> Net on your system is init under /
[06:06] <piero> hi
[06:06] <netsplit> billytwowilly: will it show in /var/logs?
[06:06] <netsplit> linux_galore: It boots with a different kernel, so init is there.
[06:07] <billytwowilly> netsplit, probably some log somewhere. That's a good one to start in;)
[06:08] <linux_galore> Net hmm could be the kernel hasnt got the correct fs support for your system cant mount / so cant find init
[06:08] <netsplit> linux_galore: Have you ever seen the following error:
[06:08] <netsplit> mount error 19 monitng ext3
[06:08] <netsplit> pivotroot:: pivor_root(sysroot,/sysroot/initrd) failed : 2
[06:09] <linux_galore> aaaah yes I have
[06:09] <netsplit> unmount /initrd/proc failed 2
[06:09] <netsplit> Yes?  Pray tell :)
[06:09] <linux_galore> someone reported the same bug on my LUG list a few weeks ago running ubuntu
[06:10] <linux_galore> ended up being the kernel didnt have the proper fs support for were the kernel resided
[06:10] <jazzanova__> hi
[06:10] <netsplit> linux_galore: OK, so you're suggesting the initrd was created wrong?
[06:10] <reversal> Why, when I change the root password in the terminal as root, its not the same when i log out?
[06:11] <netsplit> linux_galore: does it have anything to do with jfsutils?
[06:11] <linux_galore> Net no its fine the kernel cant read were init is on the file system .....its 100% a kernel problem
[06:11] <linux_galore> Net you using jfs ??
[06:11] <netsplit> Not that I know of.
[06:11] <linux_galore> Net jfs is a file system....didnt think Ubuntu used it
[06:12] <jazzanova__> how is ubuntu good ?
[06:12] <linux_galore> Net recompile the kernel this time make sure all the ext3/ext2 support is there
[06:12] <netsplit> linux_galore: I mean ext3 is a kernel module right?  So if it can't read a ext3 file system, the maybe it couldn't load that kernel module?
[06:12] <Gmail> i need help formatting a usb thumb
[06:13] <linux_galore> Net could be thats why I said check if everything for ext2/3 is marked
[06:13] <jazzanova__> is ubuntu rpm based ?
[06:13] <eruin> no
[06:13] <linux_galore> jazzanova__: no its debian based
[06:13] <jazzanova__> debian ?
[06:13] <eruin> yes
[06:13] <jazzanova__> cool
[06:13] <jazzanova__> so how is it different from debian ?
[06:13] <eruin> though debian/rpm arent exactly two comparable things
[06:13] <eruin> ;P
[06:14] <eruin> it aims to be userfriendly and desktop-oriented
[06:14] <linux_galore> jazzanova__: easier less clutter and to_the_point
[06:14] <linux_galore> jazzanova__: also it has a "just works" principal  ie plug in stuff and it works
[06:15] <eruin> sheesh, whats wrong with rpms now?
[06:15] <linux_galore> eruin: I have nothing against rpm's personally........I use the format all the time so dont look at me
[06:15] <jazzanova__> but does it have apt-get ?
[06:15] <eruin> and what the fsck does rpms have to do with dependancy hell?
[06:16] <reversal> thats called rpm hell
[06:16] <linux_galore> you dont get dep hell with rpm's unless you want it....
[06:16] <eruin> the package system is responsible for dependancies, not the package itself ;P
[06:16] <LucidVisions> eruin: can you honestly say that?
[06:16] <eruin> yes I can
[06:16] <reversal> problem with updating packages etc.
[06:16] <linux_galore> you can get .deb hell and .dll hell so whats new
[06:16] <eruin> exactly
[06:16] <linux_galore> reversal: urpmi = never had a dep problem in 3 years
[06:17] <eruin> I'm fed up on people bashing rpm distros when they dont have a clue what theyre talking about in the first place ;)
[06:17] <linux_galore> urpmi is to rpm as apt-get is to .deb  the commands are also very similar
[06:17] <reversal> red hat was my first linux distro and i just hated the rpm
[06:18] <eruin> rpms ARE inferior to debs, BUT theres nothing wrong with them either, and theyre definately not responsible for your "rpm-hell"
[06:18] <eruin> thats because theyd idnt have a package manager then, lol
[06:18] <reversal> fedora, im sorry.
[06:18] <reversal> core 2
[06:18] <eruin> oh, please do tell me how you managed to get into dependancy hell on fedora with yum
[06:19] <linux_galore> usually you find people who get dep problems are when people try to update from a unstable ftp branch or when they download an rpm at random......Ive done all the bad things in the past....these days I just use urpmi for my rpm needs total no brainer
[06:19] <reversal> Anyway, with apt, how do you get it to update a program speficially, like firefox?
[06:19] <reversal> because i didnt use yum
[06:19] <encryptio> apt-get upgrade firefox
[06:19] <eruin> well there you have it
[06:19] <eruin> usererror as always
[06:19] <eruin> reversal: apt-get upgrade firefox ?
[06:20] <encryptio> :P
[06:20] <reversal> i guess my sources.lst isnt set up
[06:20] <eruin> no wonder you're getting into trouble ;P
[06:20] <reversal> what shold be in there?
[06:21] <encryptio> is there a new version in the repository?
[06:21] <netsplit> linux_galore: will you please ls -l /dev/loop* for me?  I'm missing those device nodes.
[06:21] <reversal> no
[06:21] <reversal> .9
[06:21] <encryptio> then you can't upgrade it
[06:21] <netsplit> linux_galore: Never mind.
[06:21] <eruin> err, apt-get upgrade mozilla-firefox
[06:21] <linux_galore> lol
[06:21] <reversal> right but arent there different repositories
[06:21] <reversal> yeah i know that eruin :p
[06:21] <netsplit> linux_galore: I can copy it another parititon.
[06:22] <linux_galore> Net couldnt anyway Im running my own distro
[06:22] <eruin> latest is 1.0-2ubuntu3
[06:22] <eruin> and firefox is in base afaik
[06:22] <LucidVisions> eruin: tell me you have never had urpmi do an unintentional rollback?
[06:22] <eruin> LucidVisions: never ever used urpmi
[06:22] <eruin> thats mandrake afaik
[06:22] <encryptio> well, try upgrading mozilla-firefox instead
[06:22] <LucidVisions> then what were you ranting about?
[06:22] <eruin> I'm redhat->debian->gentoo->fedora->ubuntu
[06:22] <reversal> So what should I add to my sources.lst to include the latest packages? ive already apt-get upgraded and updated
[06:22] <linux_galore> yeah urpmi is mandrake but also has been ported to fedora
[06:23] <reversal> yeah it says its the latest version
[06:23] <eruin> LucidVisions: I havent said squat about urpmi
[06:23] <encryptio> reversal: try synaptic for starters.
[06:23] <eruin> nobody in their right mind would use urpmi for fedora ;)
[06:24] <eruin> not as bad as this guy I saw earlier using yum+rpm on ubuntu :P
[06:24] <linux_galore> eruin: why not.......all the really neat codecs missing in Fedora are freely available to urpmi thanks to the mandrake community
[06:24] <encryptio> reversal: then (if you absolutely MUST have this app and wish to be unsupported officially) add hoary to your sources.list. i've done that and fucked my install twice, now i know what to avoid when going through that
[06:24] <reversal> in synaptic i cant do an update all i can dois remove
[06:24] <eruin> linux_galore: that depends on your SOURCES, lol
[06:24] <eruin> add the livna repository to your yum.conf and voila.
[06:24] <reversal> ive done it with debian before
[06:25] <reversal> and worked fine
[06:25] <eruin> the package manager doesnt decide which packages you have access too
[06:25] <eruin> to*
[06:25] <encryptio> debian's different, it's much closer to warty.
[06:25] <reversal> i have warty
[06:25] <encryptio> hoary is getting further away by the minute
[06:26] <linux_galore> eruin: look at the packages here and cry every one of them missing on fedora's server -> ftp://ftp.easynet.fr/plf/mandrake/10.0
[06:26] <linux_galore> plf = Penguin Liberation Foundation
[06:26] <eruin> linux_galore: all of which are available through 3rd party fedora repositories for yum
[06:26] <eruin> what's your point?
[06:27] <eruin> that's no official mandrake repository either
[06:27] <linux_galore> eruin: so there are east euro yum repositories
[06:27] <eruin> no, there are non-corporate-associated repositories
[06:27] <linux_galore> eruin: found that link from mandrake home help site lol
[06:28] <eruin> point is, a corporation based in the shitty US cant supply these packages due to an idiotic legal system
[06:28] <linux_galore> eruin: doubt anyone would put their company name to those sites lol suicide
[06:28] <eruin> linux_galore: same story with universe/multiverse/marillat
[06:28] <reversal> more importantly though, i can change my root passwordwhen i go to users and groups, and then i can login as root in the terminal and it works fine, but when i log out and then try and log in as root, it doesnt keep the new password
[06:28] <eruin> reversal: read the wiki about rootsudo
[06:28] <linux_galore> eruin: need to setup a ubuntu plf organisation  in eastern europe
[06:29] <eruin> .fr is hardly eastern europe
[06:29] <Gmail> is there any book for howto use gnome/ubuntu?
[06:29] <linux_galore> eruin: no not in that case.....Im suprised really the french are usually very anal
[06:29] <Gmail> or printable docs
[06:29] <GotD0t> Gmail im sure there isn't a book on ubuntu just quite yet... but im certain there are a million on gnome
[06:29] <eruin> linux_galore: nah, not really
[06:30] <eruin> theyre part of liberal europe
[06:30] <eruin> anal -> britain
[06:30] <eruin> usa-copycats
[06:30] <linux_galore> eruin: well under French law ssh is illegal
[06:30] <eruin> oh?
[06:30] <eruin> on what grounds?
[06:31] <linux_galore> yes the french have a strict ban on crypto were the gov doesnt have free access
[06:31] <netsplit> French people don't use ssh?
[06:31] <eruin> does mandrake seriously optimize their packages for i586?
[06:31] <eruin> speak to me if you want _REAL_ crypto
[06:31] <GotD0t> on the grounds that anything that is encrypted MUST be anti-governmen t
[06:31] <linux_galore> eruin: yes and no in the new stuff there is i686 stuff creeping in
[06:31] <eruin> my dirty hands handle amst1152, aka top secret nato crypto ;>
[06:32] <eruin> or, err, top secret national, secret nato
[06:32] <eruin> cosmic top secret I will never get my hands on ;P
[06:33] <linux_galore> is ubuntu all i386 or is it a mixed bag
[06:33] <GotD0t> linux_galore, i use the 686 kernel
[06:33] <eruin> I use the k7 kernel
[06:34] <Agrajag> the userland programs are all i386
[06:34] <linux_galore> yeah Im using the i686smp kernel jdub pointed out to me
[06:34] <linux_galore> works pretty well
[06:35] <eruin> I'd like kernel, glibc, gcc, etc to be more optimized
[06:35] <eruin> no point in supporting all i386-class computers on a desktop distro
[06:35] <LucidVisions> eruin: you seem to hate americans,english,french, i bet your russian
[06:35] <netsplit> I use the AMD64 port of ubuntu, so everything is 64 bit.
[06:35] <eruin> I dont hate any of the above
[06:35] <LucidVisions> why so bitter
[06:35] <netsplit> $ file /bin/ls
[06:35] <netsplit> /bin/ls: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[06:35] <netsplit> For example.
[06:36] <linux_galore> I would love to see a distro that asks you ig you want to build a kernel and your base gcc libs for your machine as part of the install then just uses the normal binaries from there on
[06:36] <calc> hello
[06:36] <linux_galore> if*
[06:36] <eruin> I like the french although their language is crap, I like brits since I am one myself, I like americans but would rather see their government killed in a terrorist attack, etc
[06:36] <GotD0t> thats nice netsplit
[06:36] <LucidVisions> ah,,i see
[06:36] <LucidVisions> very well
[06:36] <linux_galore> lol
[06:36] <eruin> so there you go, no bitterness ;>
[06:36] <linux_galore> very harsh opinion
[06:37] <billytwowilly> french is a dead language. The number of people using it has stagnated and is now in decline
[06:37] <reversal> alright got sudo down.
[06:37] <eruin> billytwowilly: hopefully it will die silently
[06:37] <GotD0t> billytwowilly, thats because all the french are dying.
[06:37] <eruin> along witht their cooking cuisine
[06:37] <billytwowilly> It's because the french youth are using english more and more
[06:37] <eruin> I mean, calling snails a delicacy, sheesh
[06:37] <netsplit> What about French-Canadians?  Also a dead people?
[06:37] <linux_galore> lol english dont have the best cousine either all starch
[06:37] <CRBVegas> Hey there.
[06:37] <reversal> When  i installed ubuntu, grub didnt include my windows partition, but i mounted it and can view all my files when im in ubuntu, how can i add it to my menu.lst?
[06:37] <GotD0t> billytwowilly, of course... the french all hate americans... but they love american culture
[06:37] <billytwowilly> snails are good you uncouth redneck;)
[06:37] <eruin> linux_galore: thankfully I dont live in britain, but in norway ;)
[06:38] <CRBVegas> GUESS WHAT?!
[06:38] <CRBVegas> i need help.
[06:38] <LucidVisions> netsplit: good point
[06:38] <billytwowilly> hehe;)
[06:38] <linux_galore> eruin: very healthy lots of seafood
[06:38] <billytwowilly> CRBVegas, ask your question.. maybe we can help you
[06:38] <eruin> linux_galore: seafood isnt good for you, that's just nasty norwegian propaganda
[06:38] <Gmail> is there any book for howto use gnome/ubuntu?
[06:38] <Gmail> or printable docs
[06:38] <linux_galore> eruin: lol
[06:39] <GotD0t> Gmail like i said earlier... im sure there are not any books on ubuntu just quite yet... and there are a MILLION books out for gnome
[06:39] <CRBVegas> i need a linuxian - english translater, can anyone help?
[06:39] <GotD0t> Gmail of course you probably blocked me because you're retarded
[06:40] <eruin> true
[06:40] <reversal> anyone?
[06:40] <Gmail> GotD0t: what
[06:40] <linux_galore> actually wouldnt a good debian/gnome book be ok...or even better get something like the LPIC Bible By Hungry Minds"   that covers everything including apt
[06:40] <Gmail> GotD0t: i ment online books
[06:40] <eruin> I'd never read it ;)
[06:40] <GotD0t> Gmail the same still applys im sure
[06:40] <eruin> that's about as blasphemic as reading the manual for your new gadget
[06:41] <linux_galore> actually the LPIC bible can be downloaded online.....
[06:41] <CRBVegas> this may sound kind of basic...  but i don't know what this means: You don't have SMB support installed. Please install SMB support in the system to enable file sharing in Windows networks
[06:41] <CRBVegas> i just moved from windows.
[06:41] <eruin> apt-get install samba
[06:41] <eruin> er, sudo apt-get install samba
[06:41] <linux_galore> lol
[06:41] <eruin> that's the english translation
[06:41] <CRBVegas> get samba
[06:41] <billytwowilly> that sudo thing pisses me off.
[06:42] <reversal> yeah
[06:42] <reversal> :/
[06:42] <eruin> then turn it off
[06:42] <billytwowilly> I did;)
[06:42] <CRBVegas> i checked there website, and im not sure if that is good for this distro of linux
[06:42] <eruin> or sudo su
[06:42] <LucidVisions> or make a root password
[06:42] <eruin> whatever ;)
[06:42] <billytwowilly> I did that as well;)
[06:42] <Gmail> GotD0t: a small howto
[06:42] <CRBVegas> there was not compiled binaries.. (am i making sence?)  for ubuntu
[06:42] <s0cks> There is no root?
[06:42] <Gmail> for gnome 2.8
[06:42] <eruin> CRBVegas: open a terminal
[06:42] <LucidVisions> sudo passwd root
[06:42] <LucidVisions> and walla
[06:43] <eruin> enter "sudo apt-get install samba"
[06:43] <reversal> can anyone help me with my grub problem?
[06:43] <CRBVegas> ok
[06:43] <LucidVisions> make a root password
[06:43] <eruin> and stop looking at silly websites
[06:43] <s0cks> Gmail : What OS are you on?
[06:43] <eruin> websites lie.
[06:43] <GotD0t> Gmail you should try this new fangled website called google.com, its really helpful... you give it a few words and it will give you a list of websites (perhaps you've heard of those) that has information that pertains to what words you gave it
[06:43] <CRBVegas> how do i open a terminal
[06:43] <linux_galore> might want to also install "swat" for samba......why make life hard when you have swat to make samba admin a no brainer
[06:44] <eruin> GotD0t: I think what you're trying to say is http://google.endofinternet.net/
[06:44] <eruin> CRBVegas: are you in gnome?
[06:44] <eruin> if so, right click the desktop, select open terminal
[06:44] <Gmail> s0cks: wtf
[06:44] <CRBVegas> i just now, for the very first time am running linux... the ubuntu distro that i just got in the mail... i dont know what the hell im doing
[06:44] <GotD0t> oh sorry eruin... i believe you're correct
[06:44] <Gmail> s0cks: my friend wants a book
[06:45] <s0cks> Gmail : JW
[06:45] <eruin> CRBVegas: well, we all feel that way at some point ;P
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> CRBVegas, congrats
[06:45] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: so you have done the install right
[06:45] <Gmail> GotD0t: heh
[06:45] <CRBVegas> thanks man
[06:45] <CRBVegas> appreciate it
[06:45] <s0cks> Gmail : Do you take offence to that?
[06:45] <CRBVegas> its really clean and good looking
[06:45] <CRBVegas> so anyways,
[06:45] <CRBVegas> got to the termindal
[06:45] <CRBVegas> er
[06:45] <CRBVegas> terminal
[06:46] <CRBVegas> would this be the equivalent of a dos-prompt?
[06:46] <eruin> yeah
[06:46] <CRBVegas> ok
[06:46] <linux_galore> Cr on steroids yes
[06:46] <eruin> only _ALOT_ more powerful
[06:46] <CRBVegas> cool
[06:46] <s0cks> terminal  = command prompt
[06:46] <s0cks> or console
[06:46] <CRBVegas> i see.
[06:46] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:46] <s0cks> depending on who you tlak to
[06:46] <eruin> CRBVegas: same thing you get if you press CTRL+ALT+F1
[06:46] <linux_galore> or plain cli
[06:46] <CRBVegas> so this is my new CP: now known as the terminal
[06:46] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:46] <eruin> CRBVegas: to get back from that, press ALT+7
[06:47] <CRBVegas> ?
[06:47] <CRBVegas> does nothing
[06:47] <eruin> try pressing ctrl+alt+f1... takes you to a terminal
[06:47] <Gmail> google gives me crappy answers
[06:47] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: yep a terminal allows you to quicly admin things on the system you can also use the menu system
[06:47] <Gmail> http://www.google.com.au/search?q=gnome+2.8+%2B+book&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[06:47] <eruin> pressing alt+7 will get you back into X
[06:47] <s0cks> Gmail : You give me crappy answers
[06:47] <GotD0t> Gmail: maybe you should try asking the proper question
[06:48] <Seq> im noticing metacity tends to pop up new windows out of focus, does anybody know if there is a preference to change this behaviour?
[06:48] <GotD0t> Seq you using hoary? because that was irritating me as well
[06:48] <eruin> CRBVegas: ah, yeah, another thing you'd probably like to look at (to avoid using the terminal for now) is the "computer" menu at top... select that, then goto system configuration -> synaptic
[06:48] <jeronim_> handy hint: do NOT move /etc/hosts out of the way before putting a new one there, because then sudo won't work and you're screwed
[06:48] <Seq> GotD0t: i am
[06:48] <Gmail> GotD0t: i am refering to what we said some lines up
[06:48] <eruin> CRBVegas: that's a nice searchable GUI interface for apt-get ;)
[06:49] <s0cks> Gmail : What OS are you running
[06:49] <s0cks> ?
[06:49] <eruin> (and I hope the poor guy isnt stuck in tty1 now ;)
[06:49] <GotD0t> Seq: well then im sure there is an option to change that
[06:49] <Seq> GotD0t: yeah, im looking through with the gconf-editor, but i didnt see anything that jumps out at me
[06:50] <linux_galore> eruin: lol bet the guy is stuck in the terminal going wtf how do i get out of this and cant see what your typing.....
[06:50] <eruin> uh-huh :P
[06:50] <CRBVegas> HOLY SHIT
[06:50] <CRBVegas> i thought i got lossed
[06:50] <GotD0t> Seq if oyu find something let me know
[06:50] <adoyretsamon> lol
[06:50] <CRBVegas> excuse the language
[06:50] <eruin> lool
[06:50] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:50] <CRBVegas> SO ALT F7 TAKES ME OUT OF HELL.
[06:50] <eruin> haha
[06:50] <CRBVegas> remember that
[06:51] <eruin> correct, sir
[06:51] <linux_galore> CRBVegas:  ctrl alt F7
[06:51] <eruin> nah, not if he's already in console
[06:51] <linux_galore> aah
[06:51] <Gmail> s0cks: ubuntu
[06:51] <eruin> ctrl is needed in x only ;)
[06:51] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:51] <CRBVegas> so anyways about my:::::   You don't have SMB support installed. Please install SMB support in the system to enable file sharing in Windows networks
[06:51] <Gmail> s0cks: i am having know problem i know howto use cli
[06:52] <eruin> CRBVegas: yeah, did you install samba yet?
[06:52] <eruin> CRBVegas: using that command I gave you earlier
[06:52] <Seq> CRBVegas: yeah, actual consoles are hell. i dont know how people lived before they could tile six xterms across the screen
[06:52] <CRBVegas> i dont know anything about that...
[06:52] <Gmail> i just want a book/howto for my friend for gnome 2.8
[06:52] <linux_galore> eruin: dos ubuntu have swat intergrated into the package
[06:52] <linux_galore> does*
[06:52] <GotD0t> Seq amen to that
[06:52] <CRBVegas> alright
[06:52] <eruin> lol seq
[06:52] <CRBVegas> the command.... what was it
[06:52] <eruin> sudo apt-get install samba
[06:52] <eruin> then you'll have to type your password
[06:53] <GotD0t> Seq six terms across two screens is how i usually end up
[06:53] <linux_galore> eruin: might want to get him to install swat too
[06:53] <eruin> or, you could check the top computer menu, goto system config, run synaptic ;)
[06:53] <CRBVegas> its downloading something
[06:53] <eruin> linux_galore: swat is pure evil
[06:53] <eruin> it eats resources like candy
[06:53] <linux_galore> eruin: for newbies its a life saver and its on the official samba home page
[06:54] <eruin> linux_galore: shares-admin in hoary is the real lifesaver ;)
[06:54] <linux_galore> eruin: you dont need to run swat 24/7 lol
[06:54] <Seq> GotD0t: i usually end up with two columns of terminals, one for each of my servers :p
[06:54] <Seq> GotD0t: when i actually have to touch them, that is
[06:54] <CRBVegas> jeez
[06:54] <CRBVegas> ok
[06:54] <eruin> CRBVegas: yeah, after that's finished and installed, you should be able to browse your windows netowrk
[06:54] <CRBVegas> now for my second question
[06:55] <Gmail> GotD0t: look at these crap resolts http://www.google.com.au/search?q=howto+use+gnome+2.8&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial
[06:55] <CRBVegas> yeah, i can sort of
[06:55] <GotD0t> i never could figure out samba... decided to go the easy way and transfer files using SCP and share printers through IPP/Cups
[06:55] <Gmail> the are so shitty
[06:55] <CRBVegas> i'll have to play with it
[06:55] <CRBVegas> BUT THANKS
[06:55] <CRBVegas> seriously
[06:55] <eruin> ;>
[06:55] <eruin> 7am
[06:55] <eruin> I got home at 5
[06:55] <CRBVegas> how do i get my freaking printer to work, and be shared.
[06:55] <CRBVegas> to windows computers
[06:55] <eruin> that means I've been here for two hours playing freeciv and sitting in here, sheesh
[06:55] <GotD0t> Gmail: then ask someone a specific question and maybe you'll get an answer
[06:55] <linux_galore> GotD0t: or use sftp://ip_number   thats what I used now Im used apache and webdav
[06:55] <linux_galore> using*
[06:55] <eruin> CRBVegas: oh, I'm the wrong person to ask about that ;D
[06:55] <CRBVegas> gmail?
[06:56] <GotD0t> CBRVegas all you want is to let a windows computer use a printer attached to your linux box?
[06:56] <Gmail> http://www.gnome.org/learn/
[06:56] <Gmail> GotD0t: thats what i was looking for
[06:56] <GotD0t> CBRVegas: if thast the case then what version of windows do you use
[06:56] <eruin> CRBVegas: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetworkPrintingFromWin2K/view?searchterm=printer
[06:57] <eruin> that might be an interesting read
[06:57] <CRBVegas> my other two computers are using windows xp
[06:57] <CRBVegas> and i just bought a computer at frys for 99 dollars for the black friday special
[06:57] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, then i would use IPP and CUPS... its quite simple actually
[06:57] <CRBVegas> so anyways, i loaded linux onto it
[06:58] <uman> and how did it go ?
[06:58] <CRBVegas> Cups?
[06:58] <CRBVegas> IPP
[06:58] <CRBVegas> you pee in cups?
[06:58] <socomm> Common Unix Printing System.
[06:58] <CRBVegas> ?
[06:58] <CRBVegas> heh.
[06:58] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, haha sorry... IPP is internet printing protocol
[06:59] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, i think all windows 98 and up natively support it...
[06:59] <socomm> Don't most of the cheapo PC's from Fry's come with Linux pre-installed?
[06:59] <CRBVegas> yeah, but i cant even get my printer installed locally
[06:59] <CRBVegas> to my linux box
[06:59] <eruin> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba   <- also worth a read
[06:59] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, really?
[06:59] <socomm> A Korean distro, if I'm not mistaken.
[06:59] <CRBVegas> yeah, becuase im unsmart
[07:00] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: whats the printer make/model
[07:00] <CRBVegas> canon i560
[07:00] <CRBVegas> just an inkjet
[07:01] <linux_galore> aack @ canon
[07:01] <CRBVegas> excuse me
[07:01] <eruin> don't you just love how friendly linux users are when somebody needs help?
[07:01] <CRBVegas> i560s
[07:01] <socomm> CRBVegas: http://www.linuxprinting.org
[07:01] <CRBVegas> seriously
[07:01] <CRBVegas> WOW
[07:01] <CRBVegas> THEY HAVE A WEBSITE.
[07:01] <GotD0t> CRBVegas, all things linux has a website
[07:01] <GotD0t> err
[07:02] <Micksa> websites cost a dollar. you'd expect them to have a website these days.
[07:02] <GotD0t> dont mind the horrible grammatical errors in that sentence
[07:02] <Micksa> you won't find a web site for "having sex with goats on fire"
[07:02] <Micksa> because you need to figure out which kind of goat first
[07:02] <socomm> CRBVegas: You're printer may not be supported under UNIX/UNIX-Like OSes.
[07:02] <Micksa> then find the website for *that*
[07:02] <LucidVisions> 1$ usd=crap
[07:02] <Micksa> Lucid: I was talking aboout $1AU :)
[07:02] <calamari> hi
[07:03] <Micksa> er, which is slightly more crap
[07:03] <socomm> CRBVegas: I had a Canon printer way back and the support was not too hot.
[07:03] <Micksa> but you get the idea
[07:03] <LucidVisions> Ahh,,very well
[07:03] <linux_galore> no bjc 5XX series printers suported in Linux ouch
[07:03] <calamari> is there a way to find out which package a certain library is in, for example: libqt.so.2
[07:03] <CRBVegas> doh
[07:03] <socomm> Yes the US Dollar == stinky pile of poop.
[07:03] <CRBVegas> what if my printer isnt listed
[07:03] <CRBVegas> am i sol?
[07:03] <LucidVisions> unfourtanatly
[07:03] <linux_galore> yeah canon have a pretty crappy suport list when it comes to Linux I usually stick to HP
[07:04] <CRBVegas> man, that sucks
[07:04] <socomm> CRBVegas: You can use drivers for the printer that is most like yours.
[07:04] <uman> well, check next time  BEFORE buying a printer
[07:04] <LucidVisions> i have a cannon ip1500,nogo
[07:04] <CRBVegas> jeeez.....  well i didnt get linux until a year after my printer so....
[07:04] <CRBVegas> i mean, next time i will....
[07:04] <calamari> my Brother printer prints, but for some reason linux doesn't detect a bottom margin so it prints off the end of the page! hehe
[07:04] <linux_galore> yeah there are though some not so legal cannon drivers running around....reason being last guy who made a canon driver got sued by canon
[07:04] <uman> CRBVegas, write to canon then and complain
[07:04] <CRBVegas> i cant believe how well this thing works.
[07:05] <socomm> CRBVegas: Most of the cheap stuff comes with MS only support.
[07:05] <uman> linux_galore, iirc there's one on their japanese website
[07:05] <uman> but I don't read japanese
[07:05] <CRBVegas> alright
[07:05] <CRBVegas> so i want to fiddle around with my new linux
[07:05] <CRBVegas> and install some programs
[07:05] <CRBVegas> where do i go
[07:05] <socomm> CRBVegas: Yeah also write cannon, ask them to include linux support or something.
[07:05] <CRBVegas> and what do i do
[07:05] <CRBVegas> i should....
[07:06] <CRBVegas> fuckers....
[07:06] <linux_galore> CRBVegas: usually you find 98% of things can be worked around in Linux thats the nature of the beast
[07:06] <CRBVegas> why dont they make them i wonder
[07:06] <socomm> CRBVegas: Open a terminal and type `sudo synaptic'
[07:06] <LucidVisions> uman: bablefish will translate http://babelfish.altavista.com/
[07:06] <uman> I'm not touching canon printers with a 30 foot pole
[07:06] <linux_galore> uman: lol cant agree more with that one
[07:07] <uman> you can get cheap lasers with linux support now... was it samsung ?
[07:07] <linux_galore> also canon refils are a rippoff...cold dust costs less than canon toner
[07:07] <linux_galore> gold*
[07:07] <stuNNed> hp has open source project many printers supported...hpijs
[07:07] <uman> I think it's such a shame they fill the cartridges that come with the printer only a third or so
[07:07] <CRBVegas> cool
[07:07] <uman> very rude
[07:07] <linux_galore> uman: I usually just grab a second hand HP industrial printer
[07:08] <uman> yeah, HPs work well, good ol postscript
[07:08] <linux_galore> uman: or just grab a 4/5/6L printer they work fine
[07:08] <uman> and I've got the service manuals for them ,too ,hehehe
[07:08] <socomm> linux_galore: that'st not a bad idea.
[07:08] <calc> is dma force disabled on ubuntu warty for some reason?
[07:08] <socomm> linux_galore: how much does a pre-used HP printer go for?
[07:09] <calc> i tried turning it on a 120gb drive and it failed
[07:09] <zwanem> calc, wit hwhat?
[07:09] <uman> socomm, summink like $A100
[07:09] <linux_galore> socomm: well I got a 5L with a spare toner for $15
[07:09] <calc> /dev/hdc:
[07:09] <calc>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[07:09] <calc>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
[07:09] <socomm> linux_galore: nice.
[07:09] <uman> which is like $65 US or such >
[07:09] <linux_galore> lol
[07:09] <uman> linux_galore, nice
[07:09] <socomm> calamari: you need to enable that in your kernel.
[07:09] <linux_galore> uman: no AUD$15 is like US$12
[07:10] <uman> I found the 4s are a bit low on mem
[07:10] <socomm> Whoops calc, not calamari.
[07:10] <uman> ah, no, that was a canon
[07:10] <zwanem> calc, you shouldnt really be doing that
[07:10] <zwanem> calc, hdparm isn't user serviceable parts
[07:10] <linux_galore> uman: 5L you can get for a dime a dozen usually the paper feeder roller isnt working just clean it with some alcohol and its good as new
[07:10] <socomm> Isn't DMA sort of dangerous?
[07:11] <calc> zwanem: i'm a dd i've used hdparm for 10 years :)
[07:11] <zwanem> socomm, no, it's safer than no DMA
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, doesnt matter
[07:11] <calc> i'm trying to figure out why dma is disabled
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, things change, hdparm isn't safe
[07:11] <calc> older kernels didn't even enable dma by default
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, check dmesg
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, yes, that's older kernels
[07:11] <zwanem> things change
[07:11] <calc> there is no mention of dma in dmesg already checked it
[07:11] <zwanem> calc, do you have a chipset driver?
[07:11] <potato> linux_galore, isopropyl is good
[07:12] <potato> it doesn't dry out the rubber much
[07:12] <linux_galore> potato: even better
[07:12] <calc> can't tell
[07:12] <zwanem> lsmod doesnt always help
[07:12] <zwanem> the driver may be built in
[07:12] <zwanem> look for something akin to the following;
[07:12] <linux_galore> you can now get HP 6/L laser printers second hand cheap too
[07:13] <zwanem> ICH3: chipset revision 2
[07:13] <zwanem> ICH3: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
[07:13] <zwanem>     ide0: BM-DMA at 0x6c60-0x6c67, BIOS settings: hda:pio, hdb:pio
[07:13] <zwanem>     ide1: BM-DMA at 0x6c68-0x6c6f, BIOS settings: hdc:pio, hdd:pio
[07:13] <potato> linux_galore, depends on which city you're in, too
[07:13] <zwanem> calamari, also do lspci | grep -i IDE
[07:13] <zwanem> calc, also do lspci | grep -i IDE
[07:13] <zwanem> and; lspci | grep -i ATA
[07:13] <calc> hmm yea
[07:13] <linux_galore> potato: yeah...sydney people are pretty lazy....they prefere to just get a new unit
[07:13] <calc> hehe i think i found the problem
[07:14] <potato> linux_galore, up here are just more people huting such stuff and less lazy people, heh
[07:14] <potato> hunting ^
[07:14] <calc> it appears the ICH5 is disabled in the bios and linux sees the drivers but doesn't poke the pci registers with the values needed for dma
[07:14] <calc> s/drivers/drives/
[07:14] <linux_galore> potato: Ive got a pile of nice looking printers Ive fixed that ive found thrown out or in a garage sale...Ive got a beutiful A3 HP Colour laser printer that was thrown out because a fuse had blown
[07:14] <potato> niiice
[07:15] <potato> those weren't cheap
[07:15] <adoyretsamon> linux_galore, cool... a dumpster diver
[07:15] <potato> I just couldn't be bothered to invest too much time into it
[07:15] <linux_galore> potato: $3k printer new....couldnt believe it..nearly broke my back draging it home on the bus
[07:15] <potato> on the bus ? omg
[07:15] <linux_galore> potato: yeah its huge beast must be about 20kg
[07:16] <socomm> linux_galore: hehe public transportation sucks :^)
[07:16] <potato> hmmm...sweet pork smell :) nothin like roast dinner
[07:16] <potato> it's good when it comes to parking, but that's about it
[07:16] <zwanem> what on earth am i doing here
[07:17] <linux_galore> potato: syteny sucks for parking I have a motorbike but I use that only on weekends and its useless for carrying big things Ok for shopping
[07:17] <linux_galore> sydney*
[07:17] <calc> grr it was set right in the bios, it appears the thing i was reading was talking about the sata ports on the ICH5 (which are disabled)
[07:18] <linux_galore> only problem being a tech guy who can solder is you cant pass stuff on the street without poking at it first
[07:18] <socomm> linux_galore: can't you get like side pockets on your bike?
[07:18] <calc> ok this message is quite strange
[07:18] <illsorted> how would I go about installing blackbox window manager? i don't see it available in synaptic.
[07:18] <linux_galore> socomm: paniers.....yes i have them but their only good for shopping
[07:19] <calc> maybe i have to enable sata for it to work at all under newer linux kernels
[07:19] <calc> it used to work fine several months ago without having to do anything special
[07:19] <calc> i haven't used the box in months though and tried installing ubuntu on it tonight
[07:19] <socomm> illsorted: You can install from source, granted that you have all the dev tools installed.
[07:20] <socomm> illsorted: why not use fluxbox, it's almost the same as blackbox.
[07:20] <linux_galore> or use xfce4
[07:21] <calc> the stranger part about this is it seems to detect it using the default driver, then later probes for it with the chipset driver
[07:21] <socomm> xfce4 .... I prefered the 3.X branch.
[07:21] <linux_galore> actually HP now sell terminals with citrix client on it running Linux (100% diskless terminals) and the default desktop is XFCE4
[07:21] <calc> i wonder if that is the issue
[07:21] <socomm> linux_galore: yeah, I've read about that.
[07:22] <linux_galore> socomm: Ive played with one.....pretty neat...cant break anything
[07:22] <illsorted> any light(er)-weight wm will probably work for me. I don't see xfce or fluxbox listed either. are there some more sources I should add for synaptic?
[07:22] <stuNNed> is there a package to make dealing with init script a littler easier than the ubuntu/debian standard?
[07:22] <socomm> linux_galore: the concepts looks very cool.
[07:23] <linux_galore> socomm: yeah virus free user machines with zero admin
[07:23] <socomm> illsorted: have you uncommented the universe entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:23] <illsorted> socomm: don't think so
[07:24] <socomm> illsorted: uncomment those entries, and update apt's cache.
[07:24] <linux_galore> suprised Ubuntu doesnt have the lightweight desktops there.especially xfce4 thats gtk based
[07:24] <illsorted> will do
[07:25] <_calamari> is there a way to find out which package a certain library is in, for example: libqt.so.2 ?
[07:26] <jeronim_> _calamari,  /join #debian, then /msg dpkg find libqt.so.2
[07:26] <jeronim_> or does this channel have a bot like that too?
[07:27] <calc> ok its verified even with the ports enabled the ubuntu kernel gets confused
[07:27] <calc> it seems it doesn't load the ICH5 driver in time
[07:27] <_calamari> uh-oh no results.. hehe
[07:28] <calc> so i get fun stuff like:
[07:28] <calc> ICH5: port 0x01f0 already claimed by ide0
[07:28] <calc> ICH5: neither IDE port enabled (BIOS)
[07:28] <socomm> _calamari: could you expand on that question?
[07:28] <_calamari> socomm: what question? :)
[07:29] <_calamari> socomm: I'm trying to get Dev-C++ working to see if the editor is decent
[07:29] <socomm> Errr .. I'm an idiot.
[07:29] <socomm> I missread your question.
[07:30] <_calamari> socomm: I can't find a decent editor for linux.. I really want completely unrestrained cursor movement and the old shift style selecting
[07:30] <jeronim_> kate is a nice editor
[07:30] <jeronim_> it's in kde somewhere
[07:30] <_calamari> like dos edit basically.. not finding it tho
[07:30] <socomm> _calamari: vim.
[07:30] <socomm> _calamari: or nano
[07:30] <deFrysk> pico
[07:30] <socomm> Nano would probably easier for someone like yourself.
[07:31] <illsorted> I don't suppose there is a package for citrix ICA client? :)
[07:31] <jeronim_> do either of them have shift-style selection?
[07:31] <_calamari> socomm: neither have unrestrained cursor
[07:31] <deFrysk> emacs ;p
[07:31] <_calamari> I want to be able to move to places where there is no text
[07:31] <_calamari> it's so convenient when coding
[07:32] <_calamari> I've considered writing my own editor many times.. hehe
[07:32] <socomm> _calamari: you can tweak vim to do that.
[07:32] <KneelBeforeXorg> writing your own text editor is a good programming exercise
[07:32] <_calamari> socomm: what about being able to hold shift to select text?
[07:33] <_calamari> KneelBeforeXorg: yeah.. maybe I'll attempt it over winter break from school
[07:33] <socomm> _calamari: Never done that. You want something like that QBasic editor, right?
[07:33] <_calamari> mm, recently discovered that tea.. good stuff
[07:33] <_calamari> socomm: exactly
[07:33] <LucidVisions> very true.
[07:33] <socomm> I forget what that editor is called.
[07:33] <guile> hello all
[07:34] <socomm> _calamari: I think I've seen an editor like that, I forget what it's called though.
[07:34] <socomm> joe, or elvis
[07:34] <socomm> I'm not sure which one.
[07:34] <KneelBeforeXorg> _calamari: which tea?
[07:34] <_calamari> KneelBeforeXorg: Rooibos
[07:35] <alka_trash> anyone here gotten there keyboard shortcuts for Internet browsing working with gnome and firefox?
[07:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> _calamari: what you're talking about in the editor sounds like wordstar stuff.  Jed is a pretty good wordstar clone
[07:35] <alka_trash> I was thinking that it would be pretty cool
[07:35] <KneelBeforeXorg> _calamari: roobios, eh?  I'm a PG Tips man myself
[07:36] <socomm> KneelBeforeXorg: jed, I think that's it.
[07:37] <LucidVisions> KneelBeforeXorg: what is PG Tips?
[07:37] <KneelBeforeXorg> LucidVisions: it's a brand of tea that uses just the bud and the top two leaves of the plant
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> makes it less acidic
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> more flavorful
[07:38] <LucidVisions> nice, sounds really good
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> all the top-brass teas do something like that, but they made a gimmick out of it
[07:38] <LucidVisions> is it english?
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> yeah
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> scottish I think
[07:38] <LucidVisions> ahh,,i see
[07:38] <KneelBeforeXorg> although on the packaging is a picture of an Indian woman harvesting
[07:39] <guile> help needed: when i boot using ubuntu live CD, it loads up, and then monitor goes in sleep mode. i can still use the menus and hear clicks on using the mouse and kbd. is it due to lack of drivers for monitor? same thing happ with mandarke.
[07:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> the "PG" stands for "Pro-Gestive" as in promotes digestion
[07:39] <stuNNed> sounds like the guessing of your monitor's refresh rates is off for some
[07:39] <pdaoust> quick question: does anybody know how to add a password using 'usermod'? of course, you need to feed an encrypted password to usermod, but without the 'crypt' command being installed, I don't exactly know how to do that...
[07:40] <KneelBeforeXorg> some goofy 19th century biobabble
[07:40] <LucidVisions> hehe,but it makes it sound more intresting
[07:41] <guile> monitor's model is LG Studioworks 44i. pretty popular. so i guess the drivers would've been included with CD. but why does it go dark then?
[07:42] <guile> would graphic card hav any sort of issues? its gef2. can't pinpoint the exact prob
[07:43] <KneelBeforeXorg> guile: have you tried turning off the xdmcp or whatever it is?
[07:43] <KneelBeforeXorg> does it do this in VESA mode or only in X?
[07:44] <LucidVisions> anyone here run with a matrox?
[07:44] <GoneBoB> I have used a matrox with ubuntu
[07:44] <LucidVisions> GoneBob: cool,im currently running a g550,what did you use?
[07:45] <GoneBoB> g400
[07:45] <GoneBoB> it Just Worked
[07:45] <LucidVisions> ahh,,do you rember what you were getting with glxgears?
[07:45] <GoneBoB> nfi
[07:45] <GoneBoB> I didn't use it for 3d aside from testing that it worked
[07:46] <GoneBoB> not good for much above q3
[07:46] <LucidVisions> i see, well ive been using cedega,and im quite shocked
[07:47] <crimsun> LucidVisions: glxgears is a very poor indicator of performance
[07:47] <LucidVisions> i was just wondering cause i thought this card was not very good,but it is beating my ati 9200 i was using before
[07:48] <linux_galore> guile: that monitor you mentioned isnt waht I would say new it might be you dont have high resolution suppot
[07:48] <_scp> so I notice that my $PATH when I login from the console has reads .bash_profile like it should, but gnome-terminal apparently doesn't. What's wrong here?
[07:49] <linux_galore> hmm
[07:49] <linux_galore> terrible spelling
[07:50] <crimsun> _scp: ~/.bash_profile is not read for non-interactive logins
[07:50] <LucidVisions> GoneBoB: do you think this matrox is faster than my 9200 cause of the drivers,,i was using the 9200 before with the ubintu fglrx package,,
[07:50] <_scp> crimsun, and gnome-terminal is not considered interactive?
[07:50] <crimsun> _scp: you should place something in ~/.bashrc if you want it read regardless of login type
[07:50] <guile> well i run winXP on it at 1024*768. so res support may not be issue
[07:50] <_scp> crimsun, my .bashrc says to read .bash_profile
[07:50] <KneelBeforeXorg> _scp: you can configure your current gnome-terminal profile to make your shells a login shell
[07:51] <crimsun> _scp: gnome-terminal's login shell type is not set to interactive by default
[07:51] <LucidVisions> now i threw in the matrox,and can play all my games under cedega with around 10-15% more fps
[07:51] <_scp> AH
[07:51] <linux_galore> Model StudioWorks 44i
[07:51] <linux_galore> Max
[07:51] <linux_galore> Hsync 30.0-50.0
[07:51] <linux_galore> Vsync 50.0-90.0
[07:51] <_scp> OK... now that works
[07:52] <GoneBoB> LucidVisions: it should be considerably faster
[07:52] <_scp> why the hell would a gnome-terminal not be an interactive session?
[07:52] <LucidVisions> the 9200?
[07:52] <_scp> KneelBeforeXorg, crimsun, thanks !
[07:52] <LucidVisions> thats what i thought also..
[07:52] <GoneBoB> no
[07:52] <GoneBoB> the g550
[07:52] <LucidVisions> ahh
[07:52] <GoneBoB> the drivers for the ati in linux are ... not very good
[07:53] <GoneBoB> the matrox drivers are fairly mature
[07:53] <calc> they seem to work great for 2d
[07:53] <GoneBoB> calc: well yes
[07:53] <GoneBoB> but wrt 3d
[07:53] <calc> and 3d is useless in general
[07:53] <GoneBoB> calc: ... unless you want tp play games
[07:53] <calc> what needs 3d besides games
[07:53] <GoneBoB> .. which he does
[07:53] <calc> ah
[07:53] <LucidVisions> maya,,blender
[07:53] <LucidVisions> etc...
[07:53] <LucidVisions> calc: many things need 3d
[07:54] <GoneBoB> LucidVisions: the 9200 is not a very good card anyway, and the drivers for it aren't very good
[07:54] <GoneBoB> so the 550 is faster
[07:54] <calc> LucidVisions: maya/blender don't need exceptionally fast 3d
[07:54] <GoneBoB> if you had an equivalent nvidia card with their drivers, it would be faster
[07:54] <calc> GoneBoB: the 550 is faster than the 9200?
[07:54] <LucidVisions> GoneBob: very true
[07:54] <LucidVisions> calc: suprisengly so
[07:54] <GoneBoB> calc: I doubt it, but with the ati drivers it is
[07:54] <calc> 550 is essentially 5yr+ old tech, that is suprising
[07:55] <GoneBoB> the 9200 is pretty old tech
[07:55] <guile> KneelBefore: xdmcp thing coms later (thnk so). and the live cd is supposed to boot itself and load generic drivers for monitor if doesn't find specific ones.
[07:56] <calc> GoneBoB: 9200 is basically a 8500
[07:56] <LucidVisions> calc: im blown away also,,the g550 has a half ass directx 8 t&l unit,,but its beating my 9200 by around 10-15% on average
[07:56] <calc> 550 is basically a g400 which is from ~ 1998
[07:56] <LucidVisions> so the g550 is directx 7 then?
[07:56] <calc> LucidVisions: i think so, though they might have updated it to 8
[07:56] <LucidVisions> and the 9200 directx 8 gpu?
[07:56] <calc> not really certain
[07:57] <calc> yes 9200 is dx8
[07:57] <GoneBoB> yeah but the matrox drivers are essentially the best 3d drivers that linux has seen ever
[07:57] <GoneBoB> so you're getting 100% of the hardware
[07:57] <LucidVisions> true,the xorg composite stuff is running fast also
[07:58] <GoneBoB> a friend of mine has a 9600XT that can barely run unreal tournament under linux
[07:58] <Seq> i have a 9200 and it sucked for anything other than desktop use, really
[07:58] <GoneBoB> yet my FX5700 (approx equiv) runs very fast
[07:58] <GoneBoB> seq:yep
[07:58] <LucidVisions> do you use the xorg composite stuff?
[07:59] <calc> not surprising, ati sucks at opengl everywhere
[07:59] <Seq> its nice using the OS drivers, but switching to firegl drivers gives you slight speed increase (also: instability and a nice memory leak)
[08:00] <LucidVisions> yeah,,for once im glad i have this matrox,im happy for now
[08:00] <Seq> the advantage of having the 9200 was it was a graphics card that didnt completely suck (though it mostly did in retrospect), that can be used without binary drivers and cost under $100 canadian
[08:01] <LucidVisions> i should get a parheilla,or do you think that nvidas drivers are more mature?
[08:01] <LucidVisions> cause after running this g550 im shocked
[08:01] <Seq> im actually having pretty good luck with my new-to-me nvidia ti4200
[08:02] <calc> i use ati cards because the 9200/9600 are fanless and cheap
[08:02] <GoneBoB> LucidVisions: if you want to play games under linux right now
[08:02] <GoneBoB> you need an nvidia card
[08:02] <GoneBoB> (basicallY)
[08:02] <LucidVisions> i see,,i do love my cedega
[08:04] <alka_trash> Seq: I have the same card, and it's pretty good :D
[08:05] <_scp> is it nautalis that is probing for media changes on my machine?
[08:05] <LucidVisions> do any of you use cedega/winex?
[08:05] <alka_trash> LucidVisions:  have in the past
[08:05] <alka_trash> LucidVisions: what's up?
[08:06] <LucidVisions> did your ti4200 run well
[08:06] <alka_trash> yep, you have to check a couple of things
[08:06] <alka_trash> let me see ...
[08:06] <GoneBoB> LucidVisions: yes I use cedega
[08:06] <GoneBoB> mostly with warcraft3
[08:07] <alka_trash> LucidVisions: what game is it sucking in?
[08:07] <LucidVisions> do you notice when you exit a game a hal window pops up?,,its not sucking,,im just wondering how hal is playing into it
[08:08] <GoneBoB> the window that is the game is called the wine directdraw HAL
[08:08] <LucidVisions> ah,,,i thought it was ubuntu's hal package
[08:08] <alka_trash> GoneBoB: thanks I didn't know
[08:08] <LucidVisions> hehe
[08:09] <LucidVisions> I thought the linux hal daemon was running with cedega,,im lame
[08:09] <GoneBoB> hehe
[08:09] <GoneBoB> wine has it's own HAL stuff
[08:09] <LucidVisions> ahh,,
[08:09] <alka_trash> LucidVisions: I even if it's running good, I would check the config file /home/user/.transgamming/conf, I noticed mine didn't pick up the correct amount of video mem and some other stuff
[08:10] <LucidVisions> alka_trash: thanks,ill check it right now,couldnt hurt
[08:11] <alka_trash> LucidVisions: look for videoram and agpvertexram
[08:12] <alka_trash> anyone know how to bind a key to a program?
[08:15] <_scp> Does anyone know of any bounties or "TODOs" to implement a MacOSX "Expose" type feature in Gnome?
[08:15] <_scp> because it is really cool
[08:16] <eruin> google skippy
[08:16] <Gmail> bob2: here? if not forgot it
[08:17] <Seq> _scp: expocity does that
[08:17] <eruin> expocity is old
[08:17] <_scp> eruin, COOOL THANKS
[08:17] <_scp> eruin, imagine that, google having what I am looking for ... :)
[08:18] <eruin> ;] 
[08:20] <LucidVisions> alka_trash: luckly everything is good,there is quite alot of intresting things in that config file
[08:20] <alka_trash> LucidVisions: right on
[08:21] <Gmail>  whats the link for requesting for a package to be added to the debian repos
[08:22] <alka_trash> wow it's pretty quite
[08:23] <_scp> Seq, you use expocity?
[08:24] <s0cks>    # :  ,   .     .
[08:26] <Seq> _scp: nope. i tried it a while back
[08:28] <_scp> Seq, well, I was going to install it, until I read a little bit
[08:28] <_scp> Seq, didn't know it was a metacity  /replacement/
[08:30] <_scp> later guys....
[08:31] <LucidVisions> man,,its hella dead in here tonight.
[08:31] <alka_trash> ( yawn )
[08:32] <LucidVisions> But i suppose its pretty late for most,,its 11:35 in my area though,,so not really late
[08:32] <alka_trash> There needs to be more calendars for ubuntu, maybe a ladies of ubuntu calendar  :D
[08:32] <LucidVisions> maby many peeps are in the EU and fell asleep on there keyboards
[08:33] <alka_trash> be on the lookout for "adsl;fkjas/of/lerfih/eaw/lawifn l "
[08:33] <LucidVisions> alka_trash:I hear that,its pretty cool artwork
[08:33] <LucidVisions> some more of that blond chick would be nice
[08:33] <alka_trash> LucidVisions: it's not bad
[08:33] <alka_trash> Yeah
[08:34] <pdaous1> quick question: I've been STFW about this and haven't found anything yet. I have an Ensoniq ES1371 PCI sound card, and whenever I play any files, it stutters and skips, like it's being badly decoded or something... CPU usage is only 7 % though
[08:35] <LucidVisions> pdaousl: are you using alsa? or oss
[08:35] <pdaous1> ALSA, AFAIK -- I just installed the stock Ubuntu base system.
[08:35] <alka_trash> hmm oss
[08:35] <pdaous1> alka_trash: hmm?
[08:36] <LucidVisions> ahh,,,,ok..your going to need to use alsa prolly for some full duplex action
[08:36] <LucidVisions> just sec..
[08:36] <pdaous1> LucidVisions: is there any reason I'd need full-duplex? I'm not doing any recording...
[08:37] <LucidVisions> Ok,,,then you should be ok.
[08:37] <LucidVisions> odd
[08:37] <pdaous1> yeah, it is.
[08:37] <alka_trash> what program is it in
[08:37] <pdaous1> alka_trash: both MP3 and OGG files in mpd, and MP3 files in mpg321
[08:38] <LucidVisions> you could always install alsa,it has a better more advances arch and driver set
[08:38] <pdaous1> the files all sound like they're missing bits... you know when it skips and makes that weird chirping noise.......
[08:39] <pdaous1> you know, something just occurred to me
[08:39] <alka_trash> sounds like a buffer issue
[08:39] <pdaous1> I copied them using Nautilus' built-in FTP proggie... which always screws up JPEGs... I wonder if it screwed up the MP3s and they're dropping frames or something! I'ma go check
[08:39] <alka_trash> pdaous1: try this command
[08:39] <alka_trash> cat /proc/devices | grep alsa
[08:40] <calc> ok a custom kernel works fine with dma on the box
[08:40] <pdaous1> 116 alsa
[08:40] <pdaous1> looks okay there
[08:40] <calc> so its definitely the fault of the ubuntu kernel :\
[08:40] <alka_trash> sh!t your using alsa
[08:40] <alka_trash> which kernel?
[08:40] <pdaous1> alka_trash: yep :-S
[08:40] <pdaous1> alka_trash: 2.6.8.1-ubuntu, right off the CD
[08:40] <pdaous1> (Warty)
[08:41] <alka_trash> have you upgraded lately?
[08:41] <alka_trash> I mean updated
[08:41] <pdaous1> alka_trash: only a few packages, libao for one
[08:43] <alka_trash> try another program totem or xmms, I wonder if the current prog isn't buffering correctly
[08:43] <pdaous1> alka_trash: total console mode here, without even X installed
[08:43] <alka_trash> okay
[08:43] <LucidVisions> maby he should run alsaconfig?
[08:43] <pdaous1> alka_trash: but I will try cat'ing a wave file to /dev/dsp, ALSA's OSS emulation thingy
[08:44] <LucidVisions> and reconfigure the card?
[08:44] <pdaous1> perhaps
[08:44] <alka_trash> might do too
[08:44] <pdaous1> any idea what package that's in? doesn't seem to be installed on mine
[08:44] <LucidVisions> alsaconfig?
[08:45] <pdaous1> okay, yeah, I feel like a boob....... I re-uploaded all the MP3 and OGG files to the computer (it's a jukebox server running MPD), tried playing the songs again, and -- voila! -- works perfectly.
[08:46] <pdaous1> which kinda confuses me, because the files were exactly the same size on my comp as they were on the remote comp.
[08:46] <alka_trash> ass
[08:46] <LucidVisions> odd indeed..
[08:46] <pdaous1> but anyway, it's just another example of Nautilus BOTCHING ftp uploads.
[08:46] <Treenaks> pdaous1: permission issue?
[08:46] <pdaous1> Treenaks: not even; it's just Nautilus, I think
[08:46] <Treenaks> pdaous1: in other news, use sftp/ssh connections, they're more secure?
[08:47] <LucidVisions> ssh= pimpness
[08:47] <alka_trash> I'm glad that it's working though
[08:47] <pdaous1> Treenaks: dunno, is it necessary? both computers are behind a router
[08:47] <pdaous1> alka_trash: yeah, I'm glad too -- sorry for confusing you guys ^_^
[08:47] <Treenaks> pdaous1: still... I don't have ftp anywhere..
[08:47] <Treenaks> pdaous1: I just use ssh
[08:48] <pdaous1> Treenaks: but you use sftp as an alternative?
[08:48] <Treenaks> yes
[08:48] <pdaous1> Treenaks: dumb question, and maybe I should just go 'man proftpd', but can ProFTP tunnel its goodness over SSH?
[08:48] <Treenaks> pdaous1: probably not
[08:50] <Treenaks> pdaous1: or maybe it can, but that's not sftp...
[08:50] <Treenaks> pdaous1: for sftp you need sshd
[08:50] <Treenaks> pdaous1: no thing more.
[08:50] <pdaous1> Treenaks: righto.
[08:50] <Treenaks> for "FTP over TLS" you can use proftpd or vsftpd I think
[08:50] <Treenaks> but that's different :)
[08:50] <pdaous1> Treenaks: cool, thanks -- I'll look into it. I've been able to tunnel X sessions and bash sessions over SSH, but it's all still magical to me; I don't even know how it works ^_^
[08:50] <Abercrombie> Anyone knows how I can install a different Login Look?
[08:50] <alka_trash> vsftp rocks
[08:50] <pdaous1> Abercrombie: I think so... where is it...
[08:50] <Treenaks> Abercrombie: in the 'Computer' menu, under
[08:50] <Treenaks> Abercrombie: System Configuration
[08:50] <Treenaks> Abercrombie: there's an entry about the login screen
[08:51] <pdaous1> yeah, that's right. If you go to the 'Graphical Greeter' under the aforementioned login screen setup, there's a 'Install new theme' button. Just press the button and use the file chooser to find your .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 GDM theme file. It automagically unzips it and installs it into /usr/share/themes or something like that.
[08:51] <pdaous1> yeah, I sure like ssh meself :)
[08:51] <linux_galor1> once you get a handle on ssh its very much a no brainer
[08:52] <pdaous1> linux_galor1: am I right in assuming that everything comes into the computer with SSHD at port 22, and then.... what?
[08:52] <Abercrombie> pdaous1: thanks but how do I get a theme?
[08:53] <linux_galor1> pdaous1: pretty much there is another port from memory ssh uses
[08:59] <pdaous1> Abercrombie: great place is http://gnome-look.org , another is http://art.gnome.org
[08:59] <Treenaks> no, ssh only uses 22
[08:59] <pdaous1> Abercrombie: you're looking for the 'GDM themes' section
[08:59] <Treenaks> incoming
[08:59] <linux_galor1> wtf -wp ssh:
[08:59] <linux_galor1> Service         Port#      Description
[08:59] <linux_galor1> ~~~~~~~         ~~~~~      ~~~~~~~~~~~
[08:59] <linux_galor1> ssh              22/tcp    SSH Remote Login Protocol
[08:59] <linux_galor1> sshell		614/tcp    SSLshell
[08:59] <Abercrombie> thanks :)
[08:59] <Treenaks> sslshell != ssh
[08:59] <linux_galor1> sorry
[08:59] <pdaous1> Treenaks: that's what I thought.
[08:59] <pdaous1> but ssh just handles the connection, and regular traffic tunnels through it, right?
[08:59] <pdaous1> for instance, when I get a shell account by going ssh paul@othercomputer, is it a telnet-over-ssh tunnel, or what?
[08:59] <Treenaks> yes, well, if you make a tunnel for it...
[08:59] <Treenaks> pdaous1: no, that's just "plain" ssh.. no telnet involved
[08:59] <pdaous1> Treenaks: ahhh
[08:59] <pdaous1> it's all starting to make sense... sorta ^_^
[08:59] <Abercrombie> ok I'm downloading 1 so I can learn how to do it, where am I suppose to download it
[08:59] <reversal> How do i get grub to have my windows partition listed?
[08:59] <pdaous1> reversal: it didn't recognise the partition when you installed Ubuntu?
[08:59] <pdaous1> or is it a new addition?
[08:59] <reversal> no
[08:59] <reversal> well windows is on /dev/hda
[08:59] <pdaous1> reversal: in your /boot/grub/grub.conf file, you need to
[08:59] <pdaous1> oh, first of all... /dev/hda1? or a different partition?
[08:59] <reversal> hda1 im sorry
[08:59] <pdaous1> coo
[08:59] <pdaous1> righto, let's see
[08:59] <pdaous1> reversal: ah, here we go:
[08:59] <pdaous1> title Microsoft Windows XP (or whatever you want to appear as the title)
[08:59] <pdaous1> rootnoverify (hd0,0) # this is the GRUB equivalent of hda1
[08:59] <pdaous1> chainloader +1
[08:59] <reversal> i add that to menu.lst?
[08:59] <pdaous1> reversal: that's right
[08:59] <Abercrombie> Nevermind it downloaded to the correct place automatically, and I installed it :) .... How do I make my lock screen take it to the login ?
[09:01] <linux_galor1> here we go ->title Windows 98SE
[09:01] <linux_galor1>         rootnoverify (hd0,0)
[09:01] <linux_galor1>         makeactive
[09:01] <linux_galor1>         chainloader +1
[09:01] <reversal> justy anywhere? or after the recovery mode?
[09:01] <pdaous1> Abercrombie: gee, good question... I think xscreensaver exclusively handles 'lock screen', if I'm not mistaken, and the xscreensaver team isn't too keen on integrating 'lock screen' with login managers, because of security issues
[09:01] <Gmail> wb king_arthur
[09:01] <pdaous1> reversal: anywhere you feel :)
[09:01] <pdaous1> reversal: whatever's most convenient.
[09:01] <calc> if you are using the autogenerated grub file it might be useful to stick it where it tells you to
[09:01] <linux_galor1> I usually put windows right at the end lol
[09:02] <pdaous1> same here :)
[09:02] <Abercrombie> thanks again pdaous1
[09:02] <pdaous1> unless it's WIndows 98, whose partition still needs to start before 2GB, if I'm not mistaken
[09:02] <reversal> nope its xp
[09:02] <pdaous1> Abercrombie: no prob! not very helpful answer, I know, but that's the only answer I know of, unfortunately :)
[09:03] <pdaous1> reversal: good to hear... XP is nice, 98 was a piece of crap
[09:03] <linux_galor1> pdaous1: well I "used" to put win98 on the first partition
[09:03] <Abercrombie> hey its very helpful you said the truth :)
[09:03] <linux_galor1> pdaous1: these days I dont use windows full stop
[09:03] <reversal> yeah i had 98 :p alright gonna restart, hope it works. thanks :D
[09:04] <pdaous1> linux_galor: same here, my Windows XP drive died (it was one of the infamous IBM DeathStar drives), and I only ever use Wine for the most trivial tasks
[09:04] <pdaous1> haven't looked back, really
[09:04] <pdaous1> hey, does anyone know off-hand... is the venerable Realtek RTL8029 a 10 mbit card or a 10/100?
[09:04] <jdub> 10mbit
[09:04] <pdaous1> dangit
[09:05] <pdaous1> that's why it's going so slowly... I'm copying my entire music collection to a new jukebox server I just cobbled together :)
[09:05] <king_arthur> Gmail: g'dday mate
[09:05] <linux_galor1> pdaous1: Ive got a copy of crossover so when things get ugly I use it ..to be honest I havent used any of the win apps toher than IE that I have running under crossover for ages
[09:06] <Gmail> king_arthur: it is so hot
[09:06] <pdaous1> linux_galor1: nice stuff :)
[09:06] <king_arthur> Gmail: how about bondi beach?
[09:06] <ryan> linux_galor1: do you just run ie to make sure your webpages render correctly?
[09:06] <Gmail> NEVER
[09:06] <pdaous1> linux_galor: I should get myself a copy of CrossOver; I haven't been able to get IE running, and I think I should, just to cross-test all the web apps that look great in Firefox
[09:06] <pdaous1> :)
[09:07] <Gmail> king_arthur: everyone is naked there
[09:07] <pdaous1> what on earth are you guys talking about?!?
[09:07] <ryan> in that case, making sure you mutilate your css code to accommodate the stupid browser ;)
[09:07] <linux_galor1> ryan: that and I have to install it for the company pointy headed people for the bank
[09:07] <reversal`> worked, thanks :D
[09:07] <ryan> ah hehe
[09:07] <pdaous1> reversal: excellent!
[09:07] <linux_galor1> ryan: I got Firefox working with the bank but they still want IE so Im like fine use it
[09:08] <pdaous1> ryan: isn't it awful? my web app looked so nice in Firefox... in IE, of course, there are these nasty borders around everything.......
[09:08] <reversal`> see last time i tried it i mustve changed the partition type because it couldnt be mounted or anything
[09:08] <reversal`> i tried almost the exact same thing
[09:08] <pdaous1> reversal: weird stuff... even had the chainloader +1 in there?
[09:08] <reversal`> yeah
[09:08] <erik> I love firefox's web developer extensions so much
[09:08] <ryan> pdaous1: not so much that as it screwing with margins and padding
[09:08] <erik> on the fly CSS editing
[09:08] <erik> <3
[09:08] <pdaous1> erik: yeah, they're pretty handy
[09:09] <pdaous1> I like that little tool that lets you outline different elements with a dotted line; it's great for seeing if your box model is working
[09:09] <pdaous1> ryan: yeah, that's what I meant... not borders, just padding
[09:09] <linux_galor1> erik: you should try NVU its mozilla's web page editor sponsored by linspire 100% free and open source
[09:09] <king_arthur> pdaamazingly people are scared about using Firefox on theyir cpmputers
[09:09] <ryan> heh
[09:09] <erik> linux_galor1: I never actually *make web pages*
[09:09] <king_arthur> they don't like many changes
[09:09] <erik> just write perl in emacs that makes web pages for me :)
[09:10] <ryan> my mom didn't like it because she couldn't clear the history (this was a long time ago)
[09:10] <pdaous1> king_arthur: yeah, I was reading a Slashdot article about that just the other day... amazing stuff. Whenever I fix up a computer (spyware/virus cleaning, etc) I always install Firefox and make it the default browser
[09:10] <ryan> so my parents still use ie on their computer
[09:10] <ryan> but i haven't had to go over there to fix their computer in a long long time
[09:10] <king_arthur> pdaous1: I just find out tat with live CD this is almost automatic
[09:10] <pdaous1> ryan: good to hear
[09:10] <king_arthur> pdaous1: A must
[09:10] <linux_galor1> ryan: look in extensions list for Firefox  lots of nice add ons for history stuff
[09:11] <pdaous1> king_arthur: what's almost automatic?
[09:11] <king_arthur> pdaous1: installing Firefox and Thunderbird
[09:11] <linux_galor1> yeah the Ubuntu Live CD is "wack"
[09:12] <pdaous1> king_arthur: installing them on... Windows?
[09:12] <linux_galor1> blew me away aked one question and figured out everything on my tangled mess of a system
[09:12] <calc> live cd has a splash but ubuntu itself doesn't :\
[09:12] <linux_galor1> asked*
[09:12] <pdaous1> calc: yeah, I was disappointed :)
[09:12] <king_arthur> pdaous1: Just flip in the CD under Winkozz and click on the app installer
[09:12] <pdaous1> king_arthur: well I'll be
[09:12] <pdaous1> I never knew that
[09:12] <pdaous1> that is handy
[09:13] <CRBVegas> hello
[09:13] <linux_galor1> yeah the ubuntu live CD also has some nice free windows stuff
[09:13] <pdaous1> what I like to do is burn the latest Firefox and Thunderbird (and AdAware and so on) onto a little business-card-sized CD, and keep it in my wallet :)
[09:13] <king_arthur> pdaous1: that's Very handy, though it's 1.0 PR
[09:13] <pdaous1> hello, CRBVegas
[09:13] <ryan> linux_galor1: free windows stuff?
[09:13] <CRBVegas> i was here earlier and now im back.
[09:13] <pdaous1> king_arthur: oh...
[09:13] <CRBVegas> im am linux stupid.
[09:13] <linux_galor1> ryan: on the live CD is some open source windows apps
[09:13] <pdaous1> king_arthur: but isn't the Warty Firefox something like 0.9?
[09:13] <CRBVegas> Did you guys know that you can't just install programs in Linux?
[09:13] <king_arthur> pdaous1: You also get the Gimp an othr usefull stuff
[09:13] <CRBVegas> no
[09:14] <CRBVegas> you need to figure out how the hell to do something i dont know how to do
[09:14] <CRBVegas> sometimes infact
[09:14] <CRBVegas> according to one website....
[09:14] <pdaous1> CRBVegas: you using an installed Ubuntu distro?
[09:14] <king_arthur> pdaous1: it says 1.0 PR on the disk
[09:14] <calc> yes it is very hard to install apps in linux :)
[09:14] <CRBVegas> i need to create programs to install programs.
[09:14] <CRBVegas> ???? WHY
[09:14] <CRBVegas> you know... this is why people dont use linux
[09:14] <calc> CRBVegas: i am being sarcastic
[09:15] <linux_galor1> CRBVegas: actually you can....you can create a self installing file ....Ive made a few over the years but also there is a Linux comercial eq of Instal Shield out now for Linux
[09:15] <king_arthur> pdaous1: but you are right, warty-FF is 0.9
[09:15] <calc> CRBVegas: just use synaptic in ubuntu it lists all the programs you can select from
[09:15] <linux_galor1> equivalent*
[09:15] <CRBVegas> use what?
[09:15] <king_arthur> have a question about networking and NIC's
[09:15] <pdaous1> CRBVegas: sometimes you have to do that, but if you're using Ubuntu, it's ten times easier to install Linux apps than Windows apps... just fire up the 'Synaptic' package manager, and it gives you a huge list of programs, free for the taking... click on them, choose "mark for installation', click 'Apply', and they're installed
[09:15] <stuNNed> if you guys want to take chances and backport firefox 1.0 to warty, here's a link: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/012158.html
[09:16] <linux_galor1> pdaous1: think he's going on about apps you find when wandering the nether regions of the web
[09:16] <pdaous1> king_arthur: weird, maybe they have the 1.0PR windows version and the 0.9.3 linux version because they want to make triply sure the Linux version is bug-free (in the grand ol' Debian tradition)
[09:16] <pdaous1> linux_galor1: yeah, those can be pretty scary :)
[09:16] <king_arthur> I made an install yesterday on a friend's PC and had to make a few tweaks to get the xserver to work
[09:16] <CRBVegas> where do i find this synaptic?
[09:16] <calc> CRBVegas: synaptic is a package manager: http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/images/0.53-main.png
[09:16] <king_arthur> pdaous1: that is possible
[09:16] <linux_galor1> CRBVegas: its in the second menu on the taskbar
[09:17] <pdaous1> okay, folks, I have to leave this chat room and go to bed before my brains start leaking out my ears. Good night, and thanks for the help with my MP3s :)
[09:17] <king_arthur> well after I finished the (network install) I have lost the ability to use the net :-(
[09:17] <pdaous1> king_arthur: that's weird
[09:17] <pdaous1> on all computers?
[09:18] <reversal> If I remove "hiddenmenu" from menu.lst in grub will it go straight to the grub list?
[09:18] <linux_galor1> often people think installing "all windows" apps is a snap.....yep it install easy but often it either wipes out old DLL's or install the same DLL's twice making things even more bloated
[09:18] <king_arthur> the /etc/network/interfaces file seems OK to me
[09:19] <pdaous1> king_arthur: can it grab an IP address at least?
[09:19] <king_arthur> no that's the problem
[09:19] <king_arthur> card doesn't stay up
[09:19] <pdaous1> king_arthur: crazy
[09:20] <pdaous1> but unfortunately... hope you don't mind... I have to leave... I'm so bushed and I have to get up for church tomorrow morning :)
[09:20] <CRBVegas> alright
[09:20] <CRBVegas> so i want to load bit tornado
[09:20] <CRBVegas> what do i do
[09:20] <king_arthur> pdaous1: church?
[09:20] <CRBVegas> MAKE ME A LINUX BELIEVER
[09:20] <CRBVegas> OR ILL PRESS THE BUTTON ON MY KVM AND GO BACK TO XP.
[09:20] <pdaous1> CRBVegas: go into Synaptic, search for 'gnome-btdownload', and it should be there -- I think
[09:20] <king_arthur> can anybody else suhhest here?
[09:21] <pdaous1> CRBVegas: sorry, that's not the right one
[09:21] <linux_galor1> CRBVegas: with Linux and Ubuntu we try to avoid installing apps you grab randomly of websites because of security concerns with said packages...so what we do is have a package manager and ftp servers with secure tested packages with security checks added so when the package is downloaded the package manager can test it before it installs to make sure its not tampered with
[09:21] <calc> CRBVegas: go back :(
[09:22] <calc> er :)
[09:22] <CRBVegas> oh i see
[09:22] <LucidVisions> L8T3R CRBVegas:dont let that door hit you in the ass
[09:22] <linux_galor1> CRBVegas: install mldonkey  makes any windows p2p program look like a toy
[09:22] <CRBVegas> go back?
[09:22] <king_arthur> Gmail: do you have any ideas about my network problem?
[09:22] <CRBVegas> thanks buddy.
[09:22] <CRBVegas> later.
[09:25] <Gmail> king_arthur: i got my own problems
[09:25] <Gmail> i fund the best program
[09:25] <Gmail> http://www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/index.php3
[09:25] <king_arthur> Gmail: sunburnt? 8-)
[09:25] <Gmail> a download maniger
[09:25] <Gmail> king_arthur: no
[09:26] <Gmail> king_arthur: i haven't set up a network ever
[09:26] <king_arthur> Gmail: so you are a newbie?
[09:27] <king_arthur> Gmail: excellent reason to start your first network setup
[09:28] <plasmo> ah yeah i use d4x as well
[09:28] <Gmail> king_arthur: no
[09:29] <Gmail> king_arthur: i can't have cables runing around the unit and i don't have enuff money for wireless off ebay
[09:29] <king_arthur> Gmail: are you on laptop?
[09:30] <Gmail> king_arthur: no
[09:33] <CRBVegas> ok
[09:33] <CRBVegas> going to test my bittorrent
[09:34] <CRBVegas> do i need to restart after installing/updating everything using the synaptic?
[09:36] <maskie> CRBVegas, usually no ...
[09:38] <CRBVegas> alright
[09:38] <CRBVegas> so i tried just using bittorrent
[09:39] <CRBVegas> and it tells me i need to have have to have wxPython installed
[09:40] <CRBVegas> but
[09:40] <CRBVegas> i got to synaptic and theres like a million different things for python
[09:40] <CRBVegas> any ideas?
[09:40] <enabl> hi, anyone here using sata hard drives?
[09:42] <CRBVegas> nuhuh
[09:47] <rapha> GEEES! How can this damned dhclient be stopped from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf?
[09:50] <Gmail> rapha: i am having the same problem
[09:59] <king_arthur> rapha: stop DHCP client
[10:00] <rapha> king_arthur: But I want it to get an IP address for me...
[10:00] <king_arthur> rapha: what exactly do you want to do?
[10:01] <king_arthur> rapha: OK that's understandable but what is your problem with resolv.conf?
[10:02] <rapha> I want dhclient (or another DHCP client, for that matter) to assign an IP address and a gateway UP but NOT touch my resolv.conf. Problem is that the routers DNS server is broken, it always returns the first IP address it was asked for.
[10:02] <king_arthur> rapha: DHCP server is remote or local router?
[10:03] <rapha> local router.
[10:03] <king_arthur> uhmmm
[10:03] <rapha> (local as in "in my LAN, under my control")
[10:03] <king_arthur> so real problem is DNS location?
[10:05] <king_arthur> BTW it's dhcp server that assigns IP's not the client
[10:05] <rapha> The real problem is that when resolv.conf contains 10.0.0.1 as a name server, I can't use the internet properly. When it contains 141.1.1.1, it works.
[10:05] <rapha> I KNOW it is the server, but the client makes the change to my resolv.conf in the end.
[10:06] <king_arthur> BTW it's dhcp server that assigns IP's not the clienshould be possible to reconfigure that. have you tried http://10.0.0.1?
[10:07] <king_arthur> sorry for miistyping 8)
[10:07] <rapha> Hey boy, I'm not stupid. My server doesn't have a setting for disabling the DNS server assignment over DHCP. Either you use DHCP and get it assigned or you don't and do not.
[10:07] <wig> Hey, guys. I'm on Ubuntu Linux. What's the command to find out what kernel you're using? Forgot it :-P
[10:07] <rapha> wig: uname -a
[10:07] <wig> agh, 2.6.7. is there modem drivers for that yet? the lucent winmodems?
[10:07] <melazyboy> rapha: ... you can set it up so not to use the dns assignment from the dhcp server
[10:07] <king_arthur> wig: and that's for every linux and BSD as well
[10:08] <rapha> wig: www.linmodem.org
[10:08] <linux_galor1> bye folks
[10:08] <king_arthur> melazyboy: that's the way to go
[10:08] <rapha> melazyboy: Exactly that's what I want to do, just how/where?
[10:08] <king_arthur> melazyboy: you go first
[10:09] <melazyboy> rapha: Well the absolute easiest way to would be to modify resolf.conf in the short run, or edit your ifup
[10:09] <wig> ill have to try at home
[10:10] <wig> this is nice stuff though, im on the live cd right now
[10:10] <king_arthur> melazyboy: you may be able to help me as well, after you finish 8)
[10:10] <rapha> melazyboy: EACH TIME I edit the resolv.conf, it OVERWRITES it. And I can't tell it NOT to do.
[10:11] <rapha> melazyboy: But I'll try ifup.
[10:11] <rapha> melazyboy: Dang, ifup is only used with PPP. I don't use PPP. So much about that.
[10:11] <Darky> hello ,i have a problem with ubutnu 64bit.Can anyone help for 5 mins?
[10:11] <wig> gcc is on the regular ubuntu cd right?
[10:12] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I made an install yesterday on a friend's PC and had to make a few tweaks to get the xserver to work after I finished I restarted the PC, xserver works fine but NIC doesn't stay up any more
[10:12] <rapha> wig: should be wig, yes
[10:13] <wig> alright. later everyone
[10:13] <melazyboy> rapha: You could always change permissions on resolv.conf if you truly wanted to get it working without research im not sure how it would be done but thats an idea chmod it to 111
[10:13] <Darky> i have xp sp2 in my 1st partition and I installed ubuntu 64 on my second .when I clean install any of the 2 systems in a clean hdd they work fine .But when I have xpsp2 already and i install ubuntu in my snd partition I have a problem during boot .Grub writes"Grub is loading" and it stucks there . Any ideas?
[10:14] <rapha> melazyboy: chmod ugo-w didn't help any. It still overwrites it.
[10:14] <king_arthur> that's good thinking
[10:14] <rapha> king_arthur: It is, but I ain't no noob either.
[10:15] <Darky> Any ideas?
[10:15] <king_arthur> rapha: in that case it's the usual matter of trial and error
[10:16] <rapha> king_arthur, no offense, but you don't seem to know what you're talkingl.
[10:16] <king_arthur> rapha: untill you find the solution , anyway no way you can reconfigure the router?
[10:16] <king_arthur> rapha: :-)
[10:16] <potato> darkersatanic, maybe you're trying to boot from the first partition as linux
[10:16] <rapha> Yes there IS a way to reconfigure that, but I don't WANT it.
[10:16] <potato> try to boot from your root partition
[10:16] <king_arthur> rapha: just trying to put in my 10 cent
[10:17] <melazyboy> rapha: After some tracking ibelieve dns-clean is responsible for setting resolv.conf in ubuntu
[10:17] <melazyboy> rapha: move that outside of the /etc/init.d directory and restart see if it works
[10:17] <rapha> np king_arthur
[10:18] <rapha> let me see melazyboy
[10:20] <rapha> melazyboy: seems you were right. Thanks a heap!
[10:20] <melazyboy> rapha: =D **bows**
[10:23] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Still need help?
[10:23] <king_arthur> rapha: yup
[10:24] <king_arthur> rapha: can't get it up
[10:24] <king_arthur> rapha: eth0 :-)
[10:24] <melazyboy> and when you do what error message do you get?
[10:24] <fuflo> hey. i try to install ubuntu to my laptop and it stops ata certain point.
[10:25] <fuflo> its stops at jfsutils-udev
[10:25] <fuflo> the screen starts flikering after some time
[10:25] <king_arthur> melazyboy: to be honest I was trying GUI interface. It just dies silently
[10:25] <Ruffian|Q|> hello melazyboy
[10:26] <king_arthur> melazyboy: click on activate and that dosn't work
[10:26] <king_arthur> melazyboy: however, /etc/network/interfaces seems allright to me
[10:26] <melazyboy> king_arthur: well thats a bad idea when it comes to trouble shooting, find the name of the gui interface, and laucnch it through a terminal see why the gui is dieing it should output something more usefull because you will be able to see stderr
[10:26] <king_arthur> melazyboy: and I use the NIC for a network install of ubuntu
[10:27] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I doubt the NIC is the problem or that its set up wrong, you can just open a terminal and type 'ifup eth0' that should work...
[10:27] <king_arthur> melazyboy: If you have got a fem minutes I'll go ot the other box and try
[10:27] <fuflo> hm.. strange thing.. ubuntu does what i said only when i select "lithuanian" as the installer interface.. :/
[10:28] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Im here to help =/
[10:28] <melazyboy> fuflo: Well lithuanian probably needs a little more trial and error and bug reporting... i think all of 2 people use it
[10:29] <fuflo> yeah.. but still..
[10:29] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: Do you remember the problem you where having with modules loading and you not being able to find out where they came from?
[10:30] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, no
[10:30] <rapha> That GUI interface is flawed.
[10:30] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, if I think its what your talking about I just used KDEs runnaway process  catcher
[10:31] <melazyboy> RuffianSoldier: No it was with an alsa module you coulden't track down how to stop it from loading
[10:31] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, i dont even know wtf an alsa module is
[10:32] <king_arthur> melazyboy: weird things happening
[10:32] <king_arthur> melazyboy: Error for wireless request and then a few SIOCADDRESS errors
[10:32] <melazyboy> king_arthur: What are you doing, ifup or gui?
[10:33] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Are you using wireless or wired?
[10:33] <king_arthur> melazyboy: ifup
[10:33] <RuffianSoldier> 
[10:33] <melazyboy> king_arthur: there is a wireless up script on most distros let me check to see if ubuntu has it
[10:34] <JVaughn> /l/
[10:34] <melazyboy> No it doens't
[10:34] <king_arthur> melazyboy: ifup eth0
[10:34] <king_arthur> melazyboy: no wireless
[10:35] <melazyboy> king_arthur: you can try to force the ip try 'ifdown eth0' than 'ifconfig eth0 legal_ip_address broadcast_addy up'
[10:36] <king_arthur> melazyboy: but I have NO WiFI card
[10:36] <king_arthur> melazyboy: OK I try that hold on I go to the other room :-)
[10:38] <king_arthur> melazyboy: well basically it says "no devicce found"
[10:39] <king_arthur> melazyboy: if I try GUI it tells me no interface available
[10:39] <RuffianSoldier> melazyboy, what were you talking about?
[10:39] <king_arthur> melazyboy: it seems like the card modules have gone, is that possible?
[10:40] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I mean drivers
[10:40] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Very very unlikely i would say something else is flakey
[10:40] <melazyboy> king_arthur: you should dpkg --reconfigure it
[10:40] <king_arthur> melazyboy: what?
[10:41] <melazyboy> king_arthur: One sec looking up network package name
[10:41] <king_arthur> melazyboy: is there any chance that modifying the xserver.config file has tainted the network interfaces?
[10:42] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I can't see any relation among things
[10:42] <melazyboy> king_arthur: None.. two completly different ball games (to my knowledge anyway), that ifconfig should run independent of x completly you can uninstall x and it should work
[10:43] <king_arthur> melazyboy: that's what I thought
[10:43] <king_arthur> melazyboy: so it's ifconfig you are looking for into a package?
[10:44] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Yes but apt-find wasn't to usefull
[10:44] <king_arthur> melazyboy: how about apt-cache search ifconfig? :-)
[10:45] <agenteo> when I unmount the floppy from the GNOME GUI I've got this error! "Impossible to execute child process "/usr/bin/pumount" (Permission denied)" There isn't problem If I mount and unmount from the shell... someone have a clue?
[10:45] <crimsun> melazyboy: net-tools
[10:46] <king_arthur> crimsun: thanks mate
[10:46] <melazyboy> there ya go
[10:46] <melazyboy> dpkg-reconfigure net-tools
[10:47] <king_arthur> melazyboy: OK I'll give it a shot and see what happens and return here
[10:51] <ender_first> does anybody have an idea why my toshiba laptop lookup when removing pcmcia card?
[10:52] <crimsun> do you mean "locks up?"
[10:52] <ender_first> freeze
[10:52] <ender_first> dead
[10:52] <ender_first> need reboot
[10:52] <crimsun> ok, just didn't know what you meant by "lookup"
[10:52] <ender_first> bad english :-)
[10:52] <crimsun> are you stopping any services before you eject/remove the card?
[10:53] <ender_first> yes and have done the rmmod
[10:54] <ender_first> it does not happen with the new mandrake official 10.1. That's the only one distrib where it works
[10:54] <crimsun> which model toshiba? (I haven't used a toshiba laptop w/ Linux, so I'm not sure)
[10:54] <potato> enabl, what kind of PCMCIA card ?
[10:54] <ender_first> satelite 2800/500
[10:55] <potato> ender_first I meant
[10:55] <ender_first> netgear 511 and even a cisco
[10:55] <potato> you don't have some NFS shares or such ?
[10:55] <ender_first> nope no nfs
[10:57] <ender_first> i know this laptop is mostly not acpi compliant. so usually i do pci=noacpi
[10:58] <wood1> I can't access my Windows Workgroup Network using Hoary
[11:00] <melazyboy> does anyone else get an error message when they try to open up a .wmf that has an asf stream in it?
[11:00] <melazyboy> is there anyway to disable that?
[11:00] <wood1> Is there someone who is an expert in samba networking ?
[11:04] <potato> wood1, what's the question ?
[11:08] <wood1> potato, I can't access my Windows Network from Hoary
[11:08] <wood1> I can easily browse the Network using Warty
[11:11] <melazyboy> wood1: That narrows the problem down alot, it could now be 50 trillion different things
[11:12] <crimsun> could you be more specific? What steps are you taking? What messages do you see? What does the program appear to be doing?
[11:13] <melazyboy> Windows discovery blows anyway half the time windows-windows doesn't work
[11:13] <crimsun> I don't think anyone knows for certain if it works :p
[11:13] <crimsun> a frankenstein in every sense
[11:14] <potato> wood1, have a look in /var/log
[11:14] <wood1> Well the configuration of the smb.conf file is the same for both Hoary and Warty
[11:14] <wood1> Hoary just does not work on the Network Browsing thing
[11:14] <melazyboy> smb.conf has nothing to do with your not being able to see them, or them not being able to see you...
[11:15] <melazyboy> smb.conf is the what your linux box is hosting and the permissions set on it
[11:15] <wood1> Well then could anybody suggest something why I can't browse the Windows Network using Hoary
[11:15] <melazyboy> well aucutally you might be able to do some changing with the way the box reports itself -- but if your having a problem viewing other computers from the samba box i would look elsewhere for the problem
[11:15] <king_arthur> melazyboy: here I am back, re-installed net-tools and gnome-nettools to no effect
[11:16] <potato> wood1, can you ping the other machines ?
[11:16] <wood1> I can't seem to find the problem, It works perfectly with Warty
[11:16] <wood1> Ping works without any problems
[11:16] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Try 'ifconfig eth0 up' and see what it says
[11:16] <potato> wood1, have a look in /var/log/samba
[11:16] <king_arthur> melazyboy: it feels like there isn't an appropriate NIC driver
[11:16] <king_arthur> melazyboy: exactly the same
[11:17] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Try repoving the module thats acting as the driver, and using 'insmod tulip'
[11:18] <king_arthur> melazyboy: exactly what I wanted to do BTW in Debian there is modconfig to install/remove drivers, what have got in ubuntu?
[11:19] <king_arthur> melazyboy: and insmod tulip whas that just a guess name?
[11:19] <melazyboy> king_arthur: in debian there is rmmod, lsmod, insmod, and modprobe, just like ubuntu =D
[11:19] <melazyboy> insmod tulip is a driver that covers like 80% of the most popular nick cards
[11:19] <melazyboy> its pretty l33t
[11:19] <king_arthur> melazyboy: those work when you already have the driver
[11:20] <wood1> there is no /var/log/samba
[11:20] <wood1> ifconfig eth0 up gives nothing
[11:20] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Everyone here should have tulip, its pretty generic
[11:21] <melazyboy> wood1: was talking to king_arthur
[11:21] <wood1> So what could be the problem to my Network Browsing thing in Hoary ?
[11:22] <king_arthur> melazyboy: "can't read 'tulip' no soch a file or directory" :-(
[11:22] <wood1> I can see the Windows PCs in the Network but I can't access their shares
[11:22] <melazyboy> king_arthur: now thats weird....
[11:23] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I guess the core of the problem
[11:24] <melazyboy> king_arthur: No because there is a good chance you could not have tulip and have other drivers.. the things that throwing me off with you is the eth0 registering as wireless
[11:24] <king_arthur> melazyboy: but let me insist: in the good old potato/woody days there was such a thing as modconfig to add drivers
[11:24] <melazyboy> if you do ifup eth0, it should run get a dhcp address, and set up dns
[11:25] <melazyboy> you can use modprobe to add drivers... but im not sure which one your using
[11:25] <wood1> Anybody, what else do I have to configure before accessing the Windows Workgoup Network ?
[11:25] <king_arthur> was that one for me?
[11:25] <melazyboy> king_arthur: yar only talking to you =/
[11:25] <wood1> Also, Gaim does not work for my MSN Messenger
[11:25] <king_arthur> melazyboy: if I give a lspci I see all SiS (Silicon drivers)
[11:26] <melazyboy> king_arthur: And are you using a SiS network card?
[11:26] <melazyboy> I don't even thing they make one
[11:26] <king_arthur> melazyboy: and no, I can't get a dhcp driver but that might have been disabled from my router
[11:26] <melazyboy> err lspci should show the cards info, lsmod will show the modules loaded
[11:27] <melazyboy> ifup runs with dhcp
[11:27] <king_arthur> Okky dokky let me try
[11:27] <king_arthur> melazyboy: but the weirdest thing is that I made a full install trough network
[11:28] <king_arthur> melazyboy: so everything necessary was there
[11:28] <melazyboy> yar =/
[11:28] <king_arthur> melazyboy: than I did some browsing and eventually tried to set up my local network adding names and IP's that's when the trouble started
[11:29] <melazyboy> hrm...
[11:29] <melazyboy> do you know your routers ip?
[11:29] <melazyboy> try this.
[11:29] <king_arthur> melazyboy: 10.0.0.2
[11:29] <melazyboy> route add default gw 10.0.0.2
[11:30] <wood1> hey potato, any hints for the Network Browsing problem in Hoary ?
[11:30] <king_arthur> melazyboy: the problem is I can't get the damn card on
[11:30] <potato> did you have a look in your logs ?
[11:30] <potato> can you contact a windows machine with smbclient -L machinename ?
[11:30] <king_arthur> potato: whas that one for me?
[11:30] <wood1> which logs ?
[11:31] <potato> in /var/log/samba
[11:31] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I think you got me.. im not sure what exactly is going on with your box, you could modprobe if you know the drivers you could run ifup again and google with the error message, but its beyond me never had that before
[11:31] <king_arthur> melazyboy: did you get that one?
[11:31] <king_arthur> melazyboy: :-(
[11:32] <king_arthur> melazyboy: but this is shitty as everything worked real fine
[11:33] <king_arthur> melazyboy: doing a new install takes about 5 hours on this slow machine and would like to avoid that
[11:33] <wood1> I can
[11:34] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I don't know what to tell you, might want to stick around longer then and ask around i used to get those c
[11:34] <melazyboy> SIOCADDRESS errors but they never interferred with performance, ib elieve they are caused by ipv6 or some shit
[11:34] <potato> wood1, name resolution can be a pain at times when getting browser elections etc
[11:35] <wood1> I am now using Hoary in one of my machines, what will happen if I switch it back to Warty ?
[11:35] <king_arthur> melazyboy: anyway, I have learnt from the past that when things get real bad you just stop for a while and after a  few days you may find a solution
[11:35] <potato> I tend to run a WINS server on the linux machine and all the other machines get told that by the dhcp server
[11:35] <melazyboy> If you cant run ifconfig, you have a driver problem... ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.3 255.0.0.0 up
[11:35] <melazyboy> should configure your card
[11:35] <melazyboy> then you need a route add default gw 10.0.0.2
[11:35] <wood1> Well my machines are using a static IP Addresses
[11:36] <melazyboy> then you should be able to ping any address you resolve yourself, or you edit /etc/resolv.conf and add nameserver <ip> and your good
[11:36] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I know so what I am wanting to do is look for the driver but I was used do modconfig which apparently is not here anymore
[11:36] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I know I know
[11:36] <melazyboy> king_arthur: modprobe is very easy to use, modprobe <driver name>
[11:37] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I know but this is assuming that driver is already installed
[11:37] <king_arthur> melazyboy: It just triggers the module
[11:37] <wood1> Well the NS are there in the /etc/resolv.conf
[11:38] <king_arthur> melazyboy: suppose you have a new driver on a floppy or cd what do you do?
[11:38] <melazyboy> king_arthur: By default ubuntu builds everything as a module
[11:38] <melazyboy> king_arthur: So there are no modules you could possibly have to build for that area
[11:38] <king_arthur> melazyboy: woody had a modconfig command
[11:38] <king_arthur> melazyboy: woody had a modconfig command to solve that
[11:39] <melazyboy> king_arthur: You won't have a driver on a floppy, or cd, they are all there like 100 of them
[11:39] <FSK405C> anyone wanna tell me how to add a new soundcard/edit a soundcard's settings? :D
[11:39] <melazyboy> if you apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.8.1, or what ever they are at, you can make menuconfig, and view all of the modules made for ethernet and pick which one matches your card
[11:39] <crimsun> FSK405C: sudo alsaconf
[11:39] <king_arthur> melazyboy: but thay wan't be all compiled into the Kernel I hope
[11:40] <melazyboy> king_arthur: They will all be compiled as modules, you just modprobe them to get them into the kernel
[11:40] <FSK405C> thx crim
[11:40] <king_arthur> melazyboy: that gives for a HUGE kernell but I gess this is to make it suitable for most of us
[11:41] <wood1> what could be the problem, where I can ping Network Machines and not browse them ?
[11:41] <potato> wood1, you don't know how SMB works
[11:41] <king_arthur> melazyboy: anyway, this is not the issue as even insmod tulip doesn't seem to work
[11:41] <potato> when there's no WINS server, windows machines will do browser elections
[11:42] <wood1> well I am not that sure
[11:42] <potato> you should see what happens and if there are any troubles about that in your /var/log/samba/nmbd.log
[11:42] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Yes it is very large you even have the radio and television specific modules compiled by default, i trimmed mine down quite a bit disableing lots of stupid crap i will never use, like oss, serial, parellel port, wan routers and such
[11:42] <nick01> hi
[11:42] <melazyboy> king_arthur: makes frequent compiles much faster
[11:42] <nick01> how do Iconfigure services ?
[11:42] <king_arthur> melazyboy: so what now? just re-install? like the average Winkozz player?
[11:43] <wood1> potato, there is no samba directory in my /var/log ???
[11:43] <potato> wood1, http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/ch05_01.html
[11:43] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I hve done the same you did on Knoppix which I have been using for a while
[11:43] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I mean, trimming down and recompiling
[11:43] <potato> am not sure how ubuntu works it, if it keeps the log files maybe somewhere else
[11:43] <melazyboy> king_arthur: I won't suggest that ill just say i can't help any futher nothing is ringing to me at 4:20am, and i have no idea what your problem is
[11:44] <FSK405C> hrmmm...command not found :/ alsaconf - the spelling correct there?
[11:44] <nick01> how do I stop services from starting ?
[11:44] <king_arthur> melazyboy: whow you better get some sleep than... are you working or studying tomorrow?
[11:45] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Studying =/
[11:45] <melazyboy> king_arthur: if i feel like it
[11:45] <king_arthur> melazyboy: I see you are west of greenwich are you?
[11:45] <BeatrIX> Is there a way to install ubuntu via net-installe (boot.iso) ?
[11:45] <melazyboy> king_arthur: Yes Texas =[
[11:45] <melazyboy> -8
[11:46] <king_arthur> melazyboy:give my best regards to GWB
[11:46] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, you aren't the only one up at "o-dark-thirty", it's 5:46 here.
[11:46] <king_arthur> melazyboy:and see you around thanks anyway for the help
[11:46] <melazyboy> MobyTurbo: nice.
[11:46] <melazyboy> See you later room
[11:47] <carlos> Kamion: around?
[11:47] <king_arthur> melazyboy:goodnite
[11:47] <MobyTurbo> melazyboy, goodnight, or should that be good morning?
[11:47] <FSK405C> hmmm
[11:48] <Kamion> carlos: yeah?
[11:49] <carlos> Kamion, I cannot boot my laptop
[11:50] <carlos> Kamion, and don't know how recover it, all seems to be ok, but openfirmware does not sees the initrd.img file
[11:50] <king_arthur> hey guys just a quick question: how do I get a list of the available modules?
[11:50] <king_arthur> lsmod gives a list of the installed modules
[11:50] <Kamion> carlos: worth a quick ybin?
[11:51] <Kamion> king_arthur: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name \*.ko
[11:51] <carlos> should I do it after the dist-upgrade ?
[11:51] <Kamion> carlos: won't matter unless you're upgrading the kernel
[11:51] <carlos> I did
[11:51] <king_arthur> Kamion: what does that return
[11:51] <carlos> but I thought the installation script does it
[11:52] <carlos> ok, let me try to do it from the installation CD
[11:52] <king_arthur> Kamion: what I exactly want to do is find if a module is available or not to insmod
[11:53] <king_arthur> Kamion: BTW are you sure that your spelling is correct?
[11:53] <Kamion> king_arthur: yes
[11:53] <Kamion> king_arthur: what do you believe is wrong?
[11:54] <Kamion> king_arthur: why not try 'modprobe -n'?
[11:54] <king_arthur> Kamion: 'uname -r'
[11:54] <Kamion> backticks, not single quotes
[11:54] <king_arthur> Kamion: what does that return?
[11:54] <Kamion> ` as opposed to '
[11:54] <Kamion> try it?
[11:54] <Kamion> list of filenames
[11:54] <Kamion> see modprobe(8) for the -n option
[11:54] <king_arthur> Kamion: OK that's exactly what I could not find on my keyboard :-)
[11:55] <wood1> How about Network Browsing
[11:55] <Kamion> modprobe -l is simpler
[11:55] <MobyTurbo> king_arthur, if it really isn't on your keyboard, use $()
[11:55] <Matt|> hi Kamion could you gimme a quick hand? I'm trying the 2.6.9 kernel from mjr but i'm getting a kernel panic right away. It says "unable to mount root on unknown block"
[11:56] <king_arthur> Kamion: I mean, the alternate to " ' "
[11:56] <Kamion> Matt|: sorry, just 'cos I answer one kernel question doesn't mean I know the answer to them all :)
[11:56] <Kamion> perhaps direct your question to the channel
[11:56] <Matt|> *grins*
[11:56] <Kamion> king_arthur: as MobyTurbo says, $(uname -r) is an alternative
[11:56] <Matt|> sorry for excluding you channel
[11:56] <king_arthur> okky dokky I give that one a shot
[11:56] <polytan> salut
[11:57] <MobyTurbo> ` is next to your top-row 1 key, at least on an American keyboard.
[11:58] <MobyTurbo> $() has the disadvantage of not being Bourne-shell compatable, but it, unlike `, is nestable.
[11:59] <MobyTurbo> I tend to use `, less keystrokes and shift-key-ing, unless of course I need nesting.
[11:59] <king_arthur> MobyTurbo: I am on Italian K :-)
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> <homer simpson mode on>mmmm Italian food...</homer simpson mode off>
[12:00] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:00] <agenteo> how big should be the root patition in ubuntu?
[12:00] <carlos> Kamion, does not work, I think I will take this as an excuse to reinstall the laptop... (if I'm able to copy the data outside :-P)
[12:00] <king_arthur> so let me just summarize: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name \*.ko whould that do the trick od listing the available kernel modules not yet isntalled?
[12:01] <wood1> On my Warty machine, there is no samba directory
[12:01] <MobyTurbo> agenteo, about 5 gigs, maybe a little less if you need a gig or two.
[12:01] <king_arthur> Kamion: you still there?
[12:02] <Matt|> Kamion, ok i've left a query for mjg59
[12:02] <edulix> hello !
[12:02] <MobyTurbo> agenteo, my system says I'm using 2.3 gigs, but I haven't installed a lot of stuff from universe yet.
[12:03] <agenteo> MobyTurbo: 5GB even if you have /usr and /var on another partitions?
[12:03] <MobyTurbo> agenteo, no.
[12:03] <agenteo> MobyTurbo: ok, just / without home usr and var?
[12:04] <agenteo> MobyTurbo: how much should it be?
[12:04] <Kamion> carlos: also check that /etc/yaboot.conf is sane
[12:04] <Kamion> king_arthur: not "not yet installed", just everything that's available full stop
[12:04] <Kamion> king_arthur: 'modprobe -n' lets you query an individual module, and may be rather more useful
[12:04] <MobyTurbo> agenteo, my /usr is 1.7G at present. That will grow a lot if you install more programs.
[12:04] <Kamion> king_arthur: you need to articulate clearly what you're trying to do, though
[12:05] <agenteo> ok thank you
[12:05] <king_arthur> Kamion: I am just looking for module suitable to my NIC which isn't working and force loading
[12:05] <Kamion> randomly running around modprobing modules is almost always the wrong answer
[12:06] <Kamion> with badly written drivers it could easily crash your system
[12:06] <king_arthur> Kamion: had a long chat before you with melazyboy on this topic
[12:06] <edulix> uhm, I'm having small annoying problem: sometimes after logging, in random cricunstance, X crashes and gdm is shown
[12:06] <king_arthur> just to summarize briefly
[12:06] <edulix> circumstances
[12:07] <carlos> Kamion, it is
[12:07] <king_arthur> can't get my NIC up anymore but did a network install. Very weird
[12:07] <king_arthur> Kamion: you got that one?
[12:07] <carlos> Kamion, is it normal that it looks for the  initrd.img at /boot/initrd of the ext3 partition instead of the bootstrap one?
[12:08] <Kamion> carlos: initrd.img certainly shouldn't live on the bootstrap partition
[12:08] <king_arthur> too many questions for Kamion.... :-)
[12:08] <carlos> ok, so that's normal :-)
[12:08] <Kamion> carlos: are your symlinks in / correct?
[12:08] <bob2> Gmail: ?
[12:08] <wood1> Is there somebody who can help me with my Networking in Samba ?
[12:08] <carlos> yaboot.conf references directly /boot
[12:09] <carlos> and there are no links at /
[12:09] <Kamion> carlos: well, your symlinks in /boot then
[12:09] <Gmail> bob2: can you pm the link that you gave me the other day for requesting something to be added into the debian repos
[12:09] <Kamion> unless you've discarded the symlink approach
[12:10] <carlos> Kamion, ok, that was the problem, the initrd link is not there. Thanks for the hint
[12:10] <Kamion> carlos: ah, ok, good
[12:10] <carlos> Kamion, but I did not changed anything so I suppose there is a problem with latest kernel packages... (hoary)
[12:10] <carlos> I mean, I just upgraded my system to latest kernel
[12:10] <carlos> nothing more
[12:11] <Kamion> carlos: what exactly was the state of the links?
[12:11] <bob2> Gmail: www.debian.org/devel/wnpp
[12:11] <Kamion> carlos: basically I don't know the answer here though, sorry, maybe file a bug
[12:12] <carlos> Kamion, the vmlinux was pointing to the vmlinux image and the initrd.img link don't exists
[12:12] <carlos>  /s/don't/doesn't/
[12:14] <Kamion> carlos: if you still have the log of the upgrade that would be useful
[12:14] <king_arthur> Kamion: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name \*.ko returns "find: predicato -name \*.ko' non valido
[12:14] <carlos> Kamion, don't think so, is there any place where it's stored automatically?
[12:15] <Kamion> carlos: no
[12:15] <carlos> I will try to reproduce it
[12:15] <wood1> How does Computer>Network works in Ubuntu ?
[12:16] <Kamion> king_arthur: looks like you have a stray ' at the end
[12:16] <Kamion> king_arthur: if not, you need to cut-and-paste the output
[12:16] <king_arthur> Kamion: I have checked but I have not
[12:16] <Nap> hello
[12:16] <Kamion> king_arthur: (including the command you typed)
[12:17] <king_arthur> Kamion: problem is that linuxbox is in another room with no network connection
[12:17] <king_arthur> so I have to hop back and foward
[12:17] <Kamion> king_arthur: just use 'modprobe -l' then
[12:18] <king_arthur> any way Kamion pls have a look at this
[12:18] <king_arthur> can't get my NIC up anymore but did a network install. Very weird
[12:18] <Kamion> I'm afraid I don't know, I would suspect either dodgy hardware or a dodgy driver, neither of which are within my fields of expertise
[12:19] <king_arthur> Kamion: that was regarding your original argument against insmod randomly
[12:19] <Kamion> king_arthur: it stands
[12:20] <Kamion> but it's your system :)
[12:20] <king_arthur> Kamion: yup but at this stage can't see any alternative other than re-installing todo mundo
[12:21] <king_arthur> Kamion: which is stupid for a (almost) 100% working system
[12:25] <carlos> Kamion: it's a bug in the kernel package, I was able to reproduce it
[12:28] <Nap> sometimes when I'm typing a text my keyboard get blocked and the same letter is typed a hundred times, or sometimes it does not display anything and eventually display every key I typed, but 5 seconds later (and all this has been happening since my upgrade to hoary and to nvidia drivers)
[12:32] <StarScream> hey guys, running gnome (possibly x) seem really freaking slow in hoary. Is this something other people are experiencing too?
[12:32] <Kamion> carlos: ok
[12:33] <Kamion> carlos: cool, thanks
[12:33] <Matt|> StarScream, you need to install gamin
[12:33] <Nap> StarScream: I find it faster than in warty
[12:33] <Nap> ah yes
[12:33] <Nap> gamin :)
[12:33] <Matt|> meh they really have to make that a gnome dependency.
[12:34] <StarScream> gamin?
[12:34] <Kamion> fam replacement
[12:34] <Matt|> StarScream, yeah install it and all will be sweet
[12:34] <Kamion> (file access monitor)
[12:34] <StarScream> ah..cool, you guys rock
[12:34] <StarScream> this is the best community in the world =)
[12:34] <Matt|> StarScream, not really. my view is that it is a bug
[12:34] <Nap> Matt|: yesterday I upgraded to hoary and gamin was upgraded automatically
[12:34] <Nap> installed
[12:34] <Nap> not upgraded
[12:34] <Matt|> Nap, you have ubuntu-desktop installed probably
[12:35] <Nap> yes probably
[12:35] <bob2> it's a bug in the people who remove ubuntu-desktop
[12:35] <bob2> if you want smooth upgrades, leave it
[12:35] <Matt|> bob2, meh. you know my views
[12:35] <Matt|> bob2, morning
[12:36] <crimsun> I think it's evening/night in his neck o' the woods.
[12:36] <Matt|> crimsun, 11.36
[12:36] <Matt|> still just about morning
[12:36] <crimsun> I thought he's in .au, but I could have misread
[12:36] <Matt|> the number of people who remove ubuntu-desktop and still want to use gnome must be immense
[12:37] <Matt|> crimsun, he is visiting my great country
[12:37] <crimsun> ah
[12:37] <Matt|> hands up if you use gnome and have left the ubuntu-desktop package preserved?
[12:37] <Matt|> >_>
[12:37] <Matt|> <_<
[12:37] <Nap> \o/
[12:37] <bob2> me
[12:37] <Nap> :)
[12:37] <crimsun> it's still present.
[12:37] <Matt|> damn you all...
[12:38] <Nap> but yes, if for example you want to use totem-xine, no more ubuntu-desktop
[12:38] <Matt|> correct
[12:38] <bob2> right
[12:38] <bob2> but you're saying 'I don't want the supported set of installed packages'
[12:38] <Matt|> and also if you have a small hard drive and want to remove some programs you don't use
[12:39] <Matt|> bob2, if gamin was brought in by the gnome upgrade, or the fam removal, then that would be 100 less questions in here
[12:39] <Matt|> maybe more
[12:39] <bob2> it's in the faq
[12:39] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:39] <bob2> and only affects people who explicitly removed stuff
[12:39] <bob2> totally not my decision, but my sympathy is low
[12:40] <Matt|> bob2, the liberty to remove programs is important
[12:40] <Matt|> imo
[12:40] <bob2> you can
[12:40] <bob2> and then you can look at what ubuntu-desktop installs and make sure you have the important bits
[12:40] <Matt|> well imo that's not really going with the least intrusive option
[12:41] <Matt|> oh well its no big deal i guess
[12:41] <Kamion> Matt|: hoary's still in development, so it may well be changed, and I believe Jeff's been thinking about it; however if it isn't we'll include it in the hoary upgrade notes
[12:41] <Kamion> Matt|: (people who don't read the upgrade notes really do lose)
[12:41] <Matt|> true
[12:42] <Matt|> Kamion, i was just voicing my opinion
[12:42] <Matt|> no biggie
[12:42] <Kamion> sure, it's a valid opinion; just saying that this sort of thing happens in development trees
[12:42] <Matt|> now, on the other hand, my inability to boot 2 kernels is a big deal. I'm sure there is an easy solution to this
[12:43] <Matt|> Kamion, sure np
[12:43] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK
[12:43] <crimsun> RE: upgrade notes: is it a good idea to have them pop up in a mozilla-firefox window on the first X Windows login after the upgrade?
[12:43] <crimsun> or would that be considered too intrusive?
[12:44] <TheCan> Hi. Anyone with a thinkpad here? are those "thinkpad-modules" already part of the normal ubuntu kernels?
[12:44] <Nap> # locate thinkpad
[12:44] <Nap> /etc/X11/xkb/geometry/ibm/thinkpad
[12:45] <Nap> i don't have thinkpad modules
[12:45] <Nap> i don't have a thinkpad :)
[12:45] <Nap> but i have the normal ubuntu kernel
[12:45] <Kamion> crimsun: very intrusive IMHO; consider somebody upgrading 100 machines
[12:45] <Kamion> (besides, you might need to read the notes before the upgrade)
[12:48] <ogra> hi all
[12:48] <ogra> TheCan: did you mean these ? http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public/
[12:51] <yann_> hi
[12:52] <yann_> i'm looking for a howto configure a pppoe internet access
[12:52] <ogra> yann_: use pppoeconf :)
[12:52] <ogra> yann_: i.e.: sudo pppoeconf  in a terminal
[12:56] <TheCan> ogra, nope
[12:56] <TheCan> what is the normal way when i download a modules package to get it built? it's been some time i used debian last time
[12:57] <ogra> TheCan: third party modules ?
[12:57] <TheCan> yeah like those thinkpad-modules
[12:57] <TheCan> for example i got now thinkpad-modules-source package
[12:57] <TheCan> what do i do to get a nice .deb containing the modules for my kernel?
[12:58] <sangreal1969> hello there
[12:58] <sangreal1969> I'm new to this, so please excuse beforehand any stupid questions :)
[12:59] <sangreal1969> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on a AMD64, but the installations stops
[12:59] <ogra> TheCan: if you can get it through a dep-src sources.list line, sudo apt-get build-dep && sudo apt-get souce -b <packagename>
[12:59] <Kamion> sangreal1969: need more detail than that
[12:59] <sangreal1969> at hardware reconqnition... the last command I see is: module 'aic7xxx' for
[12:59] <TheCan> yeah but those are kernel modules i thought it was done with make-kpkg then
[12:59] <sangreal1969> adaptec AHA 7850 is being loaded
[01:00] <sangreal1969> and then the system just stops
[01:00] <sangreal1969> any ideas?
[01:01] <ogra> TheCan: not if they build a external package..... make-kpkg builds a kernel and module package are you sure thinkpad-modules goes in this module package ?
[01:01] <TheCan> ogra, ah i found it
[01:01] <TheCan> make-kpkg --added-modules thinkpad did the trick
[01:02] <ogra> TheCan: great !
[01:02] <Kamion> sangreal1969: can you switch to tty2 (press alt-f2)?
[01:02] <sangreal1969> kamion: no, the computer doesn't react anymore to input from the keyboard
[01:03] <Kamion> ouch
[01:04] <Kamion> sangreal1969: I suppose you could test whether it's aic7xxx causing the problem by restarting the installation and, before you get to that point, editing /usr/share/discover/pci.lst (use nano) and removing all the AHA-7850 lines
[01:04] <Kamion> sangreal1969: probably won't actually help you get further though, just to narrow it down
[01:05] <sangreal1969> Kamion: I will try that, but this card was never before a problem with any other OS
[01:06] <|progenic|> anybody, can somebody recommend me good circuit design tools in linux
[01:06] <ogra> sangreal1969: what kind of hardware setup do you have there ? beyond a amd64 cpu ?
[01:06] <TheCan> ogra, hmm but i installed this new .deb with the modules, but where did my modules go...modprobe doesnt seem to work really
[01:07] <sangreal1969> ogra: 1gig DDR400 mem, this adaptec 7850 card with 2 DDS3 tapeunits from HP, a E-IDE 40gig harddisk
[01:07] <ogra> TheCan: dpkg --contents <package.deb> |less
[01:07] <cristiano> hi guys
[01:07] <cristiano> can i have a little help?
[01:08] <sangreal1969> ogra: ow, and a Sony DVD-rom reader for installing the OS :)
[01:08] <wood1> i want to learn more online
[01:09] <cristiano> guys i'm not able using apt-get install command with the .deb package i download from the net, someone can tell me why?
[01:09] <ogra> sangreal1969: doesnt sound extravagant....
[01:09] <sangreal1969> ogra: no it doesn't :)
[01:09] <TheCan> ogra, thx!
[01:09] <ogra> cristiano: use dpkg -i <package.deb>
[01:09] <TheCan> ogra, looks like it puts it into /lib/modules/kernelversion/thinkpad then
[01:09] <cristiano> ogra: thx!!^^
[01:09] <TheCan> is there a way to load them from /etc/modules this way?
[01:10] <TheCan> cause i dont think modprobe really finds the modules in there
[01:10] <ogra> TheCan: /etc/modules just executes modprobe
[01:10] <TheCan> ogra, yes but i think it looks rather in /lib/modules/kernelversion/drivers
[01:10] <ogra> TheCan: or better, tells modprobe which ones to load.....
[01:11] <ogra> TheCan: yep
[01:12] <TheCan> ogra, i think i found the mistake. make-kpkg built it for the wrong kernel version
[01:12] <ogra> TheCan: ahh...
[01:13] <TheCan> my actual version is 2.6.8.1-2 but it built them for 2.6.8.1
[01:13] <ogra> TheCan: where did you get these sources ?
[01:13] <TheCan> via apt-get?
[01:13] <ogra> oh
[01:13] <TheCan> i think i just did apt-get install linux-source-2.6
[01:13] <TheCan> and it gave me two possibilities
[01:13] <TheCan> so i chose the newer kernel
[01:15] <cristiano> guys can u suggest me a Mule client to use with ubuntu already compiled for it?
[01:15] <ogra> cristiano: xmule amule mldonkey
[01:15] <sangreal1969> Kamion: tried your idea and the installation continues
[01:16] <Kamion> sangreal1969: right, but can you see your disks?
[01:16] <ogra> TheCan: linux headers shouuld have been enough there...
[01:16] <Kamion> sangreal1969: sounds like a broken driver
[01:16] <TheCan> ogra, hmm so how could i get the modules-package built properly?
[01:16] <sangreal1969> Kamion: the disk is on IDE not SCSI
[01:17] <ogra> TheCan: wait a sec
[01:17] <sangreal1969> Kamion: only two DDS-3 tapeunits
[01:17] <sangreal1969> Kamion: but the 7850 is an old card
[01:18] <cristiano> ogra: i'm trying to install xmule and amule but they don't find libtiff.so.3
[01:18] <sangreal1969> Kamion: and normally very well supported
[01:20] <ogra> TheCan: have you used the --revision switch with make-kpkg ?
[01:20] <ogra> cristiano: from the ubuntu package ?
[01:21] <stvn> how do i get thumbnails for video files?
[01:21] <CraHan> whoopsy... 1.30am again
[01:21] <CraHan> I gotta start setting an alarm clock
[01:21] <CraHan> pm rather
[01:21] <ogra> CraHan: hehe, 1:30 pm here.....
[01:21] <CraHan> I got to start reading the clock right too :)
[01:21] <TheCan> ogra, nope
[01:21] <ogra> CraHan: *G*
[01:21] <TheCan> i dont think so
[01:22] <Ti_Uhl> hello
[01:22] <ogra> TheCan: it sets the version number right i think
[01:22] <TheCan> cant i just tell it something like --revision 'uname --kernel-version' or something?
[01:22] <cristiano> ogra: from ubuntu there is libtiff.so.3 but they request libtiff.so.3 do u have any links where i can find all that i need?
[01:23] <ogra> TheCan: from the SuspendHowto wiki site: sudo make-kpkg --revision 2.6.8.1-1 --append_to_version -3-yourprocessor --initrd binary
[01:23] <ogra> cristiano: i mean the mule packages
[01:23] <TheCan> uname -r sorry
[01:23] <cristiano> i cant' fint with synaptic any mule packages under ubuntu
[01:24] <cristiano> ogra: i cant' fint with synaptic any mule packages under ubuntu
[01:24] <ogra> cristiano: have you enabled universe ?
[01:24] <|progenic|> anybody, can somebody recommend me good circuit design tools in linux
[01:24] <cristiano> ogra: where i should find this option?
[01:24] <ogra> cristiano: see here how to enable it: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[01:24] <Ti_Uhl> i run ubuntu on a laptop and it has only one sound card ( intel ) but when open the volume control i see 2 tabs for different cards although they both control the same sound card : Realtek AL202 rev 0 [OSS Mixer]  and Intel 82801DB-ICH4 [ Alsa Mixer] . Is that normal or how should i uninstall one of the drivers because i recompiled my kernel and i only selected one sound card
[01:25] <daniels> why did you recompile your kernel?
[01:25] <Ti_Uhl> daniels : i always do
[01:25] <Ti_Uhl> :
[01:25] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[01:25] <ogra> |progenic|: eagle ? electric ?
[01:25] <sangreal1969> okay, booted after installation and now I get two fatal errors on modprobe on /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-amd64-generic/kernel/drivers/pci/hptplug/pciehp.ko and shpchp.ko: operation not permitted
[01:26] <sangreal1969> and yes, it hangs again
[01:26] <daniels> sangreal1969: it's not a problem
[01:26] <sangreal1969> daniels: well, it the computer hangs, it IS a problem :)
[01:26] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: beware that by doing that, you just lost all security and bug support for your system
[01:26] <|progenic|> ic
[01:26] <|progenic|> ok thx
[01:26] <|progenic|> i'll try it
[01:26] <daniels> sangreal1969: the errors are caused by things other than pciehp and shpchp, they're just needlessly noisy
[01:27] <Ti_Uhl> daniels : bug support ? what do u mean ?
[01:27] <sangreal1969> daniels: normally I would agree with you, but the computer hangs again :(
[01:27] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: well, if you're using our kernel, you get to file bugs on our bugzilla about it and have us fix them
[01:27] <cristiano> ogra: finally done, i try it right now!^^ thx again!:D
[01:27] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: if you rebuild your own kernel, we can't support that
[01:27] <Ti_Uhl> daniels: and is there any way i can patch my kernel to do that ?
[01:27] <ogra> sangreal1969: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[01:28] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: to do what?
[01:28] <Ti_Uhl> bug support ,
[01:28] <XhyldazhK> Hi all
[01:28] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: by using our kernel, and not one that you recompiled?
[01:28] <daniels> recompiling a kernel is pretty pointless
[01:28] <CraHan> I gave up on recompiling the kernel
[01:28] <Ti_Uhl> daniels : no by patching my kernel ?
[01:28] <ogra> daniels: trains your skills :)
[01:28] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: how can you get bug support by patching your kernel?
[01:28] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: why are you recompiling in the first place?
[01:29] <CraHan> on debian I always recompiled, on ubuntu I don't... not worth the effort IMHO
[01:29] <Ti_Uhl> daniels : i found it odd myself but u said that by recompiling my kernel there wasn't any bug support anymore
[01:29] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: if you use our kernel, we can support that.  if you use your kernel, we can't.
[01:30] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: so either you can use our kernel and get bug support for it, or use your own and be on your own
[01:30] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: nobody knows what you compiled in there...etc
[01:30] <daniels> and our kernel has lots of patches that aren't in the normal kernel
[01:30] <Ti_Uhl> oh ok
[01:30] <sangreal1969> ogra: thank you for the link, but how can I change that file, if I can't use the computer anymore??
[01:31] <Ti_Uhl> so u won't be able to help me with my soundcard problem ?
[01:31] <jono> anyone here know how to clone a linu system?
[01:31] <XhyldazhK> Hey... How do I share my Internet connection?
[01:31] <jono> linux that is
[01:31] <sangreal1969> jono: try mondo resque
[01:31] <sangreal1969> rescue (sorry :) )
[01:31] <ogra> sangreal1969: there must be something else in the game..... i would guess acpi or apic bootopions could help here
[01:32] <jono> sangreal1969, have you done this?
[01:32] <XhyldazhK> jono, someone told me yesterday that a linux system can be cloned using cp -a and then reinstalling the bootloader in the cloned disk, but i've never tried that
[01:32] <XhyldazhK> anyone knows how to share my internet connection in ubuntu?
[01:33] <siretart> XhyldazhK: define "share internet connection"
[01:33] <sangreal1969> jono: I haven't tried it, but I was looking on the HP site for a Linux version of HP-UX's Ignite software, and then one finds mention of Mondo Rescue a lot
[01:33] <XhyldazhK> siretart, act as a gateway to another machines on my network
[01:33] <jono> ahhh right
[01:33] <Ti_Uhl> daniels: so u won't be able to help me with my sound card problem ?
[01:33] <jono> I am looking for someone to write a hack for O'Reilly Linux Desktop Hacks, and one of the topics is cloning a machine
[01:33] <CraHan> speaking of kernels, is there a 2.6.9 deb for ubuntu somewhere?
[01:34] <siretart> XhyldazhK: sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE && echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[01:34] <ogra> CraHan: dig the mailing lists, there was one announced ....
[01:34] <sangreal1969> jono: look at: http://www.microwerks.net/~hugo/
[01:34] <CraHan> ogra, cool thanks
[01:34] <daniels> Ti_Uhl: not really, because I don't know what you've compiled in, and it probably worked before you recompiled your kernel
[01:35] <XhyldazhK> siretart, thanx... how do I enable that at boot time?
[01:35] <jono> anyone fancy contributing to this book?
[01:35] <siretart> XhyldazhK: should do the trick, but I think you would rather look for a package doing it more sophisticated..
[01:36] <Ti_Uhl> daniels: it worked before i recompiled and it still works but it uses 2 different mixers for the same device ? wich isn't that much of a problem but it ain't right either
[01:36] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: it is right....
[01:36] <siretart> XhyldazhK: I use the package ipmasq on my sarge box, but it should also work in ubuntu. try that
[01:36] <ender_first> jono: what are you looking for?
[01:36] <Ti_Uhl> ogra : and in what wy should that be right ? :)
[01:36] <XhyldazhK> siretart, there is such package in ubuntu?
[01:36] <siretart> XhyldazhK: yes, in universe
[01:37] <XhyldazhK> siretart, how is it called?
[01:37] <siretart> XhyldazhK: ipmasq
[01:37] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: ubuntu uses alsa by default, so there is an alsa mixer....for old apps out of compatibility reasons there is also loaded the oss mixer emulation from alsa
[01:37] <XhyldazhK> siretart, ok I will try it, Thanx!
[01:37] <ender_first> jono: wife calling for lunch email ender2003@free.fr see you
[01:38] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: as long as the UI isnt fixed (what is planned for gnome 2.10) you will see two mixers there in this case :)
[01:38] <sangreal1969> ogra: where and how do I set these bootoptions?
[01:38] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: or as long as old apps need oss emu :)
[01:39] <ogra> sangreal1969: hit escape on boot, you get the option ot edit the bootoptions.....
[01:39] <Ti_Uhl> ogra : so the 2 mixer are only there because of compatibility ?
[01:39] <sangreal1969> ogra: I was there already, I have chosen to edit ubuntu, kernel and then what?
[01:39] <ogra> sangreal1969: edit the kernel line and append acpi=off with a space behind the word "splash" thn hit b to boot
[01:40] <Ti_Uhl> so next question what is the boot option splash in the default kernel because i don't get a spash screen when i boot
[01:40] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: certain apps need oss compatibility.....others are already future oriented and use alsa ...
[01:40] <Ti_Uhl> ogra : ok thx :)
[01:40] <Ti_Uhl> then i'll leave it that way :)
[01:40] <ogra> Ti_Uhl: there is no splash yet.....
[01:41] <sangreal1969> ogra: did that, same errors, same result
[01:41] <Ti_Uhl> ogra : ok :)
[01:41] <Ti_Uhl> thx
[01:41] <Ti_Uhl> :
[01:41] <Ti_Uhl> :)
[01:41] <rss> how to install a ttf font?
[01:43] <jono> ender_first, /msg me when you are back :)
[01:43] <ogra> sangreal1969: hmm, you can try several others.... cant remember all from the top of my head, but some are pci=noacpi nolapic noapic
[01:43] <rss> ?
[01:44] <ogra> sangreal1969: same errors ? what do you mean ? you got errors beyond the pciehp shpchp ?
[01:44] <sangreal1969> ogra: I tried the edit bootoptions and still get the same errors as before
[01:45] <sangreal1969> ogra: it is in the starting hotplug subsystem section
[01:45] <ogra> sangreal1969: are there any other errormessages except pciehp shpchp ?
[01:46] <sangreal1969> ogra: earlier I see: cannot access the hardware clock via any known method
[01:46] <sangreal1969> ogra: no other errors messages
[01:47] <cristiano> how can i change my display drivers in the Xenviroment?
[01:48] <ogra> cristiano: to what ?
[01:48] <sangreal1969> ogra: the only other PCI card in the system (except the SCSI) is a Radeon 9200 SE PCI card
[01:49] <cristiano> ogra: I have now downloaded and installed from Synaptic the Nvidia drivers compiled for ubuntu so i'd like to use them
[01:49] <ogra> sangreal1969: how long did you wait for the system to boot ? i think hotplug probes your scsi devices on load....for me this takes a long time with slow responding deviaces....
[01:50] <ogra> cristiano: see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:50] <Matt|> hi all
[01:50] <ogra> hi Matt :)
[01:50] <Matt|> ogra you run hoary?
[01:50] <Matt|> hiya
[01:50] <sangreal1969> ogra: several minutes
[01:51] <skeff> I feel that all software compiled for GTK 1 looks like crap in Ubuntu, is this perhaps because there are no GTK 1 themes installed?  For instance, the Acrobat Reader.. it has some old fart user interface.
[01:51] <ogra> Matt|: i got a box in the other room.....with hoary....
[01:51] <Matt|> ogra, i can't boot the new kernel, or the 2.6.9 test kernel. I think it must be a grub problem
[01:51] <ogra> skeff: Acrobat Reader isnt compiled with gtk
[01:51] <skeff> ogra, What then
[01:51] <ogra> skeff: some sort of motif i think.....
[01:52] <skeff> ogra, Why must it look so ugly
[01:52] <ogra> skeff: hahahaha
[01:52] <ogra> skeff: ask the motif developers ;)
[01:52] <kent> skeff, ask acrobat.  They made it that way.
[01:52] <bob2> acrobat has serious security issues, too
[01:52] <ogra> Matt|: where does it hang ?
[01:53] <Matt|> ogra, kernel panic straight away
[01:53] <ogra> sangreal1969: the slowes i had was about two minutes....
[01:53] <Evaso> hi guys, i need to install resolvconf package to use the dns of a shared connection?
[01:53] <sangreal1969> ogra: this goes well beyond two minutes :)
[01:53] <Matt|> ogra, vfs error unable to mount on unknown block (0,0)
[01:53] <ogra> sangreal1969: are you able to boot in rescue ?
[01:54] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, looks like you have the wrong disk in your grub line....
[01:54] <siretart> skeff: when you are at it: blame adobe for not having released acroread6 for linux too ;)
[01:54] <sangreal1969> ogra: no, can't boot, same errors
[01:54] <bob2> Evaso: no
[01:54] <Matt|> ogra, i've checked it
[01:54] <skeff> siretart, 7 is coming
[01:55] <Evaso> bob2: i cant resolv ip adress with ubuntu
[01:55] <Evaso> bob2: the route is right
[01:55] <bob2> Evaso: have you pointed your system at a dns server?
[01:55] <Evaso> bob2: ping ip woks fine
[01:55] <Evaso> bob2: i use dhcp
[01:55] <Matt|> Evaso, what is in /etc/resolv.conf?
[01:55] <ctd> Evaso: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:55] <ogra> Evaso: look at your /etc/resolv.conf
[01:55] <Matt|> *laughs*
[01:55] <ogra> :)
[01:55] <Matt|> snap
[01:55] <Matt|> jinx etc
[01:56] <Evaso> resolv.conf is empty
[01:56] <TheCan> arr installing a custom kernel in ubuntu is a pain
[01:57] <ogra> sangreal1969: thats weird.....i dunno what is causing this.....last resort could be unplugging the controller though.....
[01:57] <siretart> skeff: for os other than windows2000/xp?
[01:57] <sangreal1969> ogra: when everything fails, take screwdriver :)
[01:57] <ogra> Evaso: there should be a nameserver entry in ..... especially if you recieve it by dhcp.....
[01:58] <ogra> sangreal1969: unfortunately.... i think there could be  bootoption, but i dont know it :(
[01:58] <skeff> siretart, who knows :)
[01:58] <bob2> TheCan: how so?
[01:58] <Matt|> bob2, carry on here then.
[01:59] <Matt|> its a devel kernel tho
[01:59] <bob2> well, yeah, but not a development issue
[01:59] <bob2> gah it's cold
[01:59] <Matt|> going to #flood now, it's a biggie
[01:59] <ogra> Matt|: you cant boot the old kernel either ?
[02:00] <jono> anyone here done any kind of Linux localisation?
[02:00] <sangreal1969> ogra: the plot thickens, I still get the errors, but the system boots now
[02:02] <Matt|> ogra, yeah old kernel is fine
[02:02] <Matt|> crap
[02:02] <Matt|> bob2, oh well the key line is the one beginning # kopt
[02:02] <ogra> sangreal1969: pciehp shpchp are no errors.... just a bad way to tell you there is no such device.....its a consmetic thing
[02:02] <sangreal1969> ogra: ah okay
[02:02] <bob2> you have like no kernels in there
[02:03] <sangreal1969> ogra: I have a adaptec 2940 UW pro, do you know if this works?
[02:03] <ogra> Matt|: how do you boot your old kernel with that ?
[02:03] <Matt|> bob2, it goes down further, but as i say, the 2.6.9 kernel is the line beginning # kopt
[02:03] <Matt|> ogra, sorry it didn't paste the whole thing its too long
[02:03] <ogra> sangreal1969: in my compaq box its the onboard one...(i686), there it works
[02:03] <bob2> well, ok, I have no idea what the rest of your config says
[02:03] <Matt|> ok i'll try again
[02:03] <bob2> pass it through grep -v ^#
[02:03] <ogra> Matt|: only the last lines are interesting :)
[02:04] <sangreal1969> ogra: okay, after the install completes, I will reboot with the other adaptec
[02:04] <ogra> Matt|: or better listen to bob2
[02:04] <Matt|> bob2, the lines which start the 2.6.9 kernel all begin with #
[02:05] <ogra> Matt|: so its disabled
[02:05] <Matt|> nope
[02:05] <bob2> that means therea re no lines starting the 2.6.9 kernel
[02:05] <ogra> Matt|: lines with a # in the beginning arent read
[02:05] <Matt|> ogra, go figure
[02:05] <Matt|> from the wiki:
[02:05] <Matt|> # kopt root=/dev/hda1 resume=/dev/hda2 ro
[02:05] <Kamion> # in grub's menu.lst is weird
[02:06] <bob2> god
[02:06] <Kamion> it's not a simple comment
[02:06] <Kamion> update-grub parses it; see its man page
[02:06] <Matt|> quite
[02:06] <ogra> Kamion: someone should hit the grub guys for that
[02:06] <bob2> ah
[02:06] <Matt|> yeah i agree
[02:06] <Matt|> grub sucks
[02:07] <Kamion> in fairness update-grub is a weirdo Debian grub hack IIRC
[02:07] <Matt|> how about i just rewrite the menu.lst using the normal, uncommented way
[02:07] <ogra> Kamion: so it should get cleaned .....
[02:08] <Kamion> ogra: compatibility :-/
[02:08] <ogra> :(
[02:08] <ogra> k
[02:09] <Matt|> hmmm
[02:10] <Matt|> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
[02:10] <Matt|> ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
[02:10] <Matt|> ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default optons below
[02:10] <Matt|> ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs
[02:10] <Matt|> ## ## Start Default Options ##
[02:12] <trilluser> hello...how does Ubuntu work on laptops with wireless cards?
[02:12] <ogra> trilluser: great
[02:12] <Matt|> trilluser, depends...
[02:12] <trilluser> i have an Orinoco card and a linksys
[02:13] <ogra> trilluser: orinoco works pretty sure out of the box.....
[02:13] <trilluser> and is there anyone running beagle?
[02:13] <CraHan> I'm waiting for a kernel with the inotify patch myself
[02:13] <CraHan> if there's one available I'll be able to test beagle
[02:14] <trilluser> i understand
[02:15] <trilluser> from what i see..Ubuntu looks like Sun JDS and Novell Linux Desktop but runs Debian rather than SUSE
[02:15] <ogra> what a comparison......
[02:16] <trilluser> am i correct?
[02:16] <ogra> i would say ubuntu is far beyond both of them....
[02:16] <ogra> :)
[02:17] <trilluser> in what ways?
[02:17] <bob2> how can it look like anything?
[02:17] <ogra> but i think i am a little bit biased ;)
[02:17] <bob2> it's gnome
[02:17] <bob2> it looks like gnome
[02:17] <trilluser> ok
[02:17] <trilluser> so do JDS and NLD
[02:18] <bob2> right, so every gnome-based system looks like every other one, equally
[02:18] <frytus> hmmm i have postfix and popa3d.. and i can only get mail sended from localhost...
[02:19] <frytus> any ideas:?
[02:19] <ogra> trilluser: from the screenshots i have seen JDS aims to look like a win clone.....
[02:19] <trilluser> well...not really...redhat is gnome based and doesnt look like
[02:20] <trilluser> ogra...i like the simple look
[02:20] <ogra> trilluser: so try ubuntu.... and judge yourself :)
[02:20] <trilluser> im downloading now
[02:20] <ogra> downgrading ?
[02:20] <trilluser> lol
[02:20] <Jimi> anyone speak spanish?
[02:21] <Safari_Al> Jimi, why do you ask?
[02:21] <Jimi> spanish
[02:22] <bob2> Jimi: #ubuntu-es
[02:22] <Jimi> well, in this channel only have 9 users
[02:22] <Jimi> 
[02:22] <frytus> hmm ubuntu has firewall or what.. why mails doesn't come to my server.. ;???
[02:23] <bob2> frytus: no, it doesn't
[02:23] <bob2> frytus: there are a million things you might have forgotten to configure
[02:23] <bob2> tell us what you have done
[02:23] <Skwid_> how can i access my windows partitions from ubuntu ?
[02:24] <trilluser> CraHan
[02:24] <trilluser> Inotify
[02:24] <trilluser> 
[02:24] <trilluser> Note: If you don't want to build a kernel, I have prepared a kernel that is the stock Ubuntu kernel with Inotify already patched in. You can find them at http://69.155.172.150/download
[02:24] <trilluser> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[02:24] <bob2> downloading kernels from random users on IRC is a really really bad idea
[02:24] <bob2> no offence to whoever made it
[02:24] <ogra> lol
[02:24] <daniels> phenomenally
[02:25] <bob2> especially one that doesn't even have dns
[02:25] <trilluser> its from the ubuntu wiki
[02:25] <cristiano> i'm back guys
[02:25] <bob2> s/IRC/the wiki/, still correct
[02:25] <ogra> trilluser: its a wiki.....everyone can add to it.......
[02:25] <micsch> what's the equivalent of karamba for gnome?
[02:25] <Tsjoklat> hey all
[02:25] <bob2> micsch: gdesklets
[02:25] <Skwid_> gdesklets
[02:26] <micsch> Skwid_, thx
[02:26] <Skwid_> how come my /mnt is empty ?
[02:26] <cristiano> guys can u tell me a dvd/divx player compatible with ubuntu?xine says that i have no necessary permission to access dvd and cdrom
[02:26] <cristiano> Skwid: mine too
[02:26] <ogra> Skwid_: look in /media its the FHS
[02:26] <Skwid_> fhs ?
[02:27] <ogra> filesystem hierarchy standard (for linux) ubuntu follows it
[02:27] <bob2> cristiano: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:27] <Skwid_> so that's where my windows stuff is ?
[02:27] <bob2> Skwid_: things generally get mounted under /med in ubuntu
[02:27] <bob2> Skwid_: windows fixed partitions are not automatically mounted in warty, sorry
[02:28] <Skwid_> bob2: i don't understand though, when i put the live cd in, they were mounted
[02:28] <Skwid_> and then i installed with the normal cd ... nothing is mounted
[02:28] <bob2> I guess that's one difference between them
[02:28] <ogra> Skwid_: there are two differnt systems below.....
[02:29] <Skwid_> ok
[02:29] <Skwid_> and how come there is no root user ?
[02:29] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:29] <bob2> (also in the faq)
[02:29] <ogra> Skwid_: see here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:29] <Skwid_> ok
[02:30] <cristiano> bob2 i installed the libraries now which player to use under ubuntu?^__^
[02:30] <bob2> cristiano: ? whicever one you installed libraries for
[02:31] <ogra> bob2: seen the new entrys on the RootSudo site....sudo is used because of golf accidents ;)
[02:31] <frytus> bob2: i configured postfix and popa3d... and config is good.. because i have it in woody...
[02:31] <ogra> hehe
[02:31] <Skwid_> bob2: so anybody using my user account can have root access ?
[02:31] <cristiano> bob2 i installed the libdvd library i think they are generic
[02:31] <ogra> Skwid_: add them a new account instead of giving yours away
[02:32] <Skwid_> ogra: i was just wondering
[02:32] <bob2> frytus: but it's not working?
[02:32] <bob2> Skwid_: anyone who you give your password to, yes
[02:32] <ogra> Skwid_: if you give your pw away they can....as well as if you give the root pw away on other systems
[02:32] <bob2> cristiano: well, whatever you want then.  gxine or mplayer should work now.
[02:33] <Skwid_> ok
[02:33] <Skwid_> but another user account won't be able to use sudo, right ?
[02:33] <ogra> Skwid_: you would haver to enable him/her
[02:33] <ogra> have
[02:33] <bob2> Skwid_: unless you enable them, no
[02:34] <cenerentola> ciao
[02:34] <Skwid_> ok
[02:34] <Skwid_> thanks for the answers
[02:34] <ogra> hi cenerentola
[02:34] <Skwid_> and for packages, if i don't find them in synaptic, i just download a .deb package and do: sudo apt-get install package.deb
[02:34] <Skwid_> ??
[02:35] <cristiano> bob2 gxine still tells me that i have no permission to access cdrom and dvd O___O
[02:35] <ogra> Skwid_: nope...there are things to enabl in synaptic to use all the other packages: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[02:35] <bob2> cristiano: is it right?
[02:35] <jiyuu0> cristiano, have u install libdvdcss2
[02:35] <bob2> jiyuu0: yes, he/she has
[02:36] <micsch> gdesktlets didn't work :-(
[02:36] <ogra> Skwid_: this one should be interesting too: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticTutorial
[02:36] <cristiano> bob2 dunno why it tells so
[02:36] <bob2> micsch: is that because you didn't read the README which explains how to start it?
[02:36] <cenerentola> does someone know where the frequency value is stored in the x config file? in the modline?
[02:36] <cristiano> jiyuu0 yes
[02:36] <Skwid_> ogra: thanks a lot
[02:36] <bob2> cristiano: do you have permission to access those devices?
[02:36] <Tsjoklat> micsch are you on hoary and are you trying to start the starterbar display?
[02:37] <cristiano> bob2 yes
[02:37] <micsch> bob2, Tsjoklat no :-)
[02:37] <jiyuu0> cristiano, is the cd mounted?
[02:37] <bob2> cristiano: how sure are you?
[02:37] <bob2> cristiano: and don't mount  the dvd when trying to play it
[02:37] <cristiano> yep guys
[02:37] <Skwid_> ogra: i just put a local path on the repository menu ?
[02:38] <Tsjoklat> micsch you are on warty? and not trying to start the starterbar display?
[02:38] <cristiano> however now xine tells that can't find the plugin for DVD playing...
[02:38] <ogra> Skwid_: no you first look if there is a ubuntu compiled package available in the repositorys
[02:38] <micsch> bob2, where is the readme?
[02:39] <micsch> i read the man page
[02:39] <Skwid_> ogra: i did, and i don't find most of the stuff i'm looking for
[02:39] <ogra> Skwid_: what are you looking for ?
[02:39] <Tsjoklat> micsch you have to start the demon up first, then select the display you want
[02:39] <Skwid_> ogra: amsn, blender, firefox 1.0 ....
[02:39] <Skwid_> php5
[02:39] <bob2> micsch: /usr/share/doc/gdesklets/
[02:40] <Skwid_> gdesklets
[02:40] <bob2> hahaha
[02:40] <ogra> Skwid_: blenader is in universe.....
[02:40] <micsch> Tsjoklat, i just start gdesklets but nothing happen
[02:40] <ogra> Skwid_: gedsklets too
[02:40] <bob2> micsch: yes, that's how it works
[02:40] <bob2> micsch: then you start whatever "applets" you want
[02:40] <Tsjoklat> micsch you just started the demon... you still have to select the display you want
[02:40] <Skwid_> ogra: well, i typed in search, didn't find anything
[02:41] <micsch> i know but i cannot choose a display
[02:41] <cenerentola> ciao MattX
[02:41] <cenerentola> ...*|
[02:41] <Tsjoklat> micsch which display do you want?
[02:41] <micsch> first weather
[02:41] <ogra> Skwid_: firefox 1.0 wasnt ready when warty got stable....but there is a backport that works fine for me here (except the lang pkgs) : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[02:41] <sangreal1969> Hmmmmm, doesn't like the 2940 either :(
[02:42] <bob2> micsch: gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/whatever.display
[02:42] <bob2> (this is in the README)
[02:42] <Tsjoklat> you can do this: /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/folderofthedisplayyouwant/ and right click the file .display and click open wit gdesklets
[02:42] <bob2> please don't encourage people to use random backports
[02:42] <ogra> Skwid_: have you read the wiki pages i gave you ? you must enable universe.....and multiverse perhaps.....and hit the refresh button
[02:42] <Tsjoklat> micsch it is in the folder Display, not lower case dislay
[02:42] <Skwid_> ok
[02:42] <micsch> i will try it
[02:43] <Tsjoklat> gawd typing is a crime at 05.43
[02:44] <Tsjoklat> micsch if all fails.. on the ubu forums are loads of threads about gdesklets
[02:44] <ogra> bob2: k .... sorry, works fine on all setups i got there though
[02:45] <micsch> gdesklets /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays/wireless-desklet/Wireless.display nothing happens
[02:45] <dad> hello
[02:45] <Tsjoklat> micsch did you right click on it and picked gdesklets?
[02:45] <micsch> right click on what?
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> after you do that, check your dt... it should pop up there now
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> the .display file
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> pick 'open with gdesklets'
[02:46] <micsch> no pop ups :-(
[02:46] <dad> does anyone know if there are nvidia drivers for ppc?
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> did you go to your dt?
[02:46] <Tsjoklat> and checked?
[02:46] <|progenic|> excuse me, is xmms after we install the mad plugins, can it play wma file ?
[02:46] <bob2> no
[02:46] <bob2> look at the description for the mad plugin
[02:47] <sangreal1969> the only other SCSI controller I have is an Adaptec xx160, but this doesn't have a connection for narrow SCSI for the tapeunits
[02:48] <candyman> hi all. I am trying to set up a dual boot system with windows and ubuntu, but ubuntu does not let me go through without partitioning. I had already partitioned using a knoppix live cd. I don't want to repartition as the windows is already installed. What can I be doing wrong?
[02:49] <dad> does anyone know of nvidia driver for ppc linux?
[02:49] <|progenic|> so how can i play wma file ?
[02:49] <micsch> Tsjoklat, it doesn't work, but also no error message
[02:49] <ogra> candyman: just dont partition them....but mark them for formatting as this will guarantee they will be clean for ubuntu
[02:50] <bob2> dad: hahahaha
[02:50] <vpalle> |progenic|, w32codec
[02:50] <bob2> dad: ask nvidia (there isn't one aside from the one in X)
[02:50] <dad> i gather i asked something funny?
[02:50] <dad> oh thats a shame
[02:50] <|progenic|> so can it play in xmms then ?
[02:51] <dad> Ubuntu is really nice but without reasonable graphics seems little point
[02:51] <kandinski> ogra, ubuntu does not let me not partition them
[02:51] <wood1> Can someone give me some ideas for Networking in Ubuntu ?
[02:51] <Tsjoklat> you are sure you started the deamon? and are you on warty or hoary??
[02:51] <micsch> it works :-)
[02:51] <wood1> I can't access my Windows Shares
[02:51] <kandinski> (I am candyman in my real nick)
[02:51] <kent> |progenic|,  use totem and the w32plugins. That way you can play many codecs.
[02:51] <bob2> dad: how are they unreasonable?
[02:51] <StarScreem> heya
[02:51] <StarScreem> hoary's working good now :) thanks guys
[02:52] <dad> rather a lot of artifacts whenever i drag windows
[02:52] <dad> any ideas?
[02:52] <ogra> kandinski: you can select partitions that already exist, it also offers to keep the data on them....
[02:52] <dad> hello ogra thnks for the help the other day
[02:52] <kandinski> well, it does not recognise the partitions
[02:53] <ogra> hey dad :)
[02:53] <StarScreem> dad artifacts are a side effect of X, but you can turn on reduced resources
[02:53] <ogra> dad: so you jumped into the community now :)
[02:53] <StarScreem> that uses fireframe
[02:54] <Matt|> bob2, sorted it by adding the initrd to grub and ignoring that weird ## section. Thanks.
[02:54] <StarScreem> dad: and if you have 3d accel you can turn on XComposite and XDamage in Xorg
[02:54] <dad> hello starscream and yes ogra if i may Id like to learn more about linux
[02:54] <dad> um im on a ppc g4 starscream is that a problem?
[02:54] <ogra> dad: you found the right place ;)
[02:54] <dad> looks like it:)
[02:54] <bob2> Matt|: yeah
[02:55] <Matt|> i think that as long as you don't use "grub-update" then the commented section doesn't matter
[02:55] <ogra> kandinski: what does it offer ?
[02:55] <daniels> artifacts are not 'a side effect of X'
[02:55] <daniels> they're a bug that should be fixed
[02:55] <daniels> but if it's an nVidia card, then they're the only people who can fix them
[02:55] <cenerentola> ppl where does gnome-session-manager puts his hands in?
[02:55] <StarScreem> daniels, true..
[02:55] <StarScreem> dad its not a prob, i'm running ibook g3 800
[02:56] <StarScreem> dad but unfortunately ATI dont make PPC linux drivers
[02:56] <dad> im not really bothered too much but id like to be able to drag windows without big black holes appearing
[02:56] <StarScreem> so if you have an ATI card your stuck with framebuffer which is much slower
[02:56] <daniels> StarScreem: sure they do
[02:56] <daniels> StarScreem: untrue.
[02:56] <bob2> (he's using the nv driver, not the binary one)
[02:56] <StarScreem> daniels, where....?
[02:56] <daniels> bob2: which is as good as the same thing
[02:56] <dad> no i have an nvidia i think
[02:56] <kandinski> it offers "partition" and shows the whole disk
[02:56] <kandinski> when I try to get to the install part, it tries to do a partition anyway
[02:56] <daniels> StarScreem: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/{ati{,misc},r{128,adeon}}_drv.o
[02:57] <kandinski> it starts by asking if I want to create a new partition table
[02:57] <StarScreem> daniels, doesn't work with my card man...
[02:57] <daniels> StarScreem: what sort of card do you have?
[02:57] <bob2> daniels: ah
[02:57] <daniels> StarScreem: i have not heard of any powerpc ati card unsupported by the standard driver
[02:57] <StarScreem> daniels, its onboard ati 7500? g3 ibook
[02:57] <daniels> StarScreem: works fine
[02:58] <StarScreem> daniels i can only use framebuffer....x just wont display anything...
[02:58] <StarScreem> even the default config for ubuntu uses framebuffer
[02:58] <daniels> StarScreem: please file a bug on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com with the content of /var/log/XFree86.0.log, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and the output of lspci
[02:58] <dad> so i guess im stuck with the artifcats then ?:)
[02:59] <daniels> StarScreem: no, the default configuration has UseFBDev, which is entirely different to using the framebuffer
[02:59] <daniels> UseFBDev still gives you 2D acceleration, unlike the fb proper
[02:59] <StarScreem> daniels, its not ubuntu..it was the same with yellow dog, debian, mandrake
[02:59] <daniels> but, that being said, I have a patch that should eliminate the need for UseFBDev
[02:59] <StarScreem> i've tried almost every PPC distro
[02:59] <daniels> StarScreem: even so, I would love to see the output so we can hopefully fix this small bug
[02:59] <StarScreem> k
[02:59] <kandinski> well, in any case, is the installer a front end to fdisk?
[02:59] <kandinski> I have brought up a console, but no fdisk
[03:00] <kandinski> if not, I humbly suggest it is put in
[03:00] <bob2> hey james
[03:00] <jblack> bob2!
[03:00] <dad> so is there some fine tuning i can do to maybe improve my display?
[03:00] <jblack> How's it going up there at the squish?
[03:00] <daniels> jblack: hey dude
[03:00] <jblack> kandinski: Try apt-get install util-linux
[03:00] <jblack> daniels: Heya!
[03:01] <jblack> Just woke up from a nap, and nobody's here. :)
[03:01] <daniels> heh!
[03:01] <StarScreem> daniels, even so, ati dont make 3d ppc linux drivers which was the point of my initial conversation with dad
[03:01] <daniels> they're all off being all touristy?
[03:01] <ogra> jblack: kandinski is at the installer :)
[03:01] <bob2> jblack: just...sitting on the couch, really
[03:01] <daniels> StarScreem: again, this is not true.
[03:01] <bob2> StarScreem: yes they do
[03:01] <jblack> ogra: Ahhhh.
[03:01] <kandinski> jblack, from where? from the ubuntu console? will that apt-get install to ramdisk?
[03:01] <daniels> StarScreem: radeons up to the 9250 are fully supported for all architectures
[03:01] <bob2> StarScreem: my ibook g4 has excellent 3d acceleration
[03:01] <daniels> StarScreem: by fully supported, I mean 2D and 3D acceleration
[03:01] <dad> but i have an nvidia ? lol
[03:01] <StarScreem> hmm
[03:01] <daniels> everything above that has basic 2D acceleration
[03:01] <jblack> kandinski: Sorry. Misunderstood what you were doing. There's an fdisk equivilant in the installer that you can massage.
[03:01] <kandinski> I have a blank disk (well, windows in it) as far as Ubuntu is concerned
[03:02] <StarScreem> so i can use composite then?
[03:02] <daniels> dad: yeah, unfortunately nVidia are the only ones who can even think about fixing your problem
[03:02] <ogra> dad: look in the device-manager... it should be listed there
[03:02] <dad> ok i see so theres nothing i can do to check im getting the best i can with my setup as it is?
[03:02] <StarScreem> daniels, my apologies...glx gears runs...albeit extremely slow
[03:02] <jblack> daniels: Well, you and bob2 are at the squish, keybuck left a couple days ago. I think lifeless and mpoole are off in an orgy of theoretical merges, and I have no clue where ddaa and abentely are.
[03:03] <dad> ah thnks ogra the device- mangager sounds fun umm where is it?
[03:03] <daniels> jblack: heh!
[03:03] <bob2> jblack: hrm, sucky
[03:03] <ogra> dad: computer-> system tools i think (german setup here)
[03:04] <kandinski> jblack, name of the fdisk equivalent?
[03:04] <jblack> kandinski: I'm not quite sure what the fdisk equivilant is called (I'm not distro), but its there. ;)
[03:04] <ogra> kandinski: probably cfdisk
[03:04] <dad> yes i found the card but have no idea what to look for :)
[03:05] <ogra> dad: you sounded not sure if its an nvidia....this should be written there.....
[03:05] <jblack> Either you passed it, or you're not there yet. Look for the part where you define your root filesystem
[03:05] <dad> oh yes its a nvifia gforce 4 mx 440
[03:05] <kandinski> thanks
[03:05] <jblack> there's a partition manager built into that.
[03:06] <kandinski> jblack, that part does not recognise my partitions
[03:06] <kandinski> bad table? I dunno
[03:06] <dad> funny it seemed to be fine until i ran apt upgrade
[03:06] <kandinski> ogra, if any of you on the distro, humbly suggesting making fdisk a symlink to cfdisk, or whatever
[03:07] <ogra> dad: with what kind of packages ?
[03:07] <kandinski> some of us have a little knowledge (a dangerous thing), but not enough to know alternatives
[03:07] <dad> i think it was a kernel upgrade
[03:07] <dad> or something to that effect
[03:07] <kandinski> informal wishlist bug given, I return to my task
[03:07] <kandinski> thanks all
[03:07] <ogra> kandinski: nope, the right way is to recognize your partitions, not to tweak around with fdisk ;)
[03:07] <jblack> welcome
[03:07] <CraHan> does anyone know how to load the fbdev module at startup so I can have a high res console?
[03:08] <wood1> How do I make my home directories read only in a Shared Ubuntu System with all Users having Root Level Access ?
[03:08] <kandinski> ogra, that too
[03:09] <ogra> wood1: with all Users having Root Level Access ??
[03:09] <dad> i guess i could go buy another vid card
[03:09] <|progenic|> so frustrating, cannot play wma, how to add wma files to rhythmbox ?
[03:09] <jblack> kandinski: Maybe you'd like to hit bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[03:09] <jblack> kandinski: There, you can file an enhancement request for fdisk during install.
[03:09] <wood1> Well one of my Ubuntu system has all the Users having root level access
[03:09] <kandinski> jblack, yep, maybe later
[03:09] <|progenic|> i have installed w32codecs, and gstreamer-0.8mad
[03:10] <ogra> wood1: why did you do that ?
[03:10] <wood1> Is there a way where I can make my Home directories read only
[03:10] <wood1> Well that's some politics in my office
[03:10] <ogra> wood1: root access to damage the system is a polocy at your office ? thats weird
[03:10] <|progenic|> i mean gstreamer-0.8-plugins
[03:10] <ogra> policiy
[03:11] <kandinski> stupidly enough, my installing Debian on a floppyless, cd-less, non-usb-booting, only-bootable-through-pxe Toshiba Portege 3500 Tablet PC requires I first have win2k/debian dualbooting on my desktop... I don't think you want to ask
[03:11] <kandinski> but thanks all, really
[03:11] <kandinski> I will try to see some of you at Matar
[03:11] <dad> ogra i noticed that x config has my card set for 16mb but i think its a 64m card?
[03:11] <ogra> kandinski: great !!
[03:11] <wood1> Well actually, the machine is there for everyone and I installed Ubuntu in it
[03:11] <ogra> kandinski: bring the tablet with you then *g*
[03:12] <ogra> wood1: s why not a account for everyone ?
[03:12] <wood1> Since the my collegues complain that they want Root Level access, I include all of them in my sudoers file
[03:12] <ogra> wood1: what for ? you will have to set it up over and over again if they break it....
[03:12] <wood1> Is there a way to restrict them from viewing or modifying some home directories
[03:13] <dad> well thnks fellas goodnight
[03:13] <kandinski> ogra, if I don't manage to do it myself  first, I will follow you until it is dual-boot installed! it is a threat, not a promise!
[03:13] <ogra> kandinski: bug me then ;)
[03:14] <wood1> That's OK if they break it, as I said that the PC is a something like a Test Machine
[03:14] <ogra> kandinski: i am always interested in funny hardware .....
[03:14] <wood1> Now how do I restrict the sudoers from my Home directory
[03:14] <ogra> wood1: probably through removing the group rights ?
[03:14] <kandinski> ogra: funny is the understatement of the year
[03:15] <kandinski> ogra: this is not your grandad's funny
[03:15] <kandinski> ogra: this is alternative funny, the kind you recognise because you say "funny" but don't laugh
[03:15] <wood1> Well I have already added their Usernames in the sudoers file
[03:23] <ogra> wood1: so they could always access as sudo.....i dont thik there is a easy way to hide the /home from root...you will have to adjust a lot in the sudo setup i guess
[03:23] <BillyRayC> newbie has a question about setting up Ubuntu Live CD
[03:24] <BillyRayC> I'm not sure how to make a bootable CD; can someone explain that step
[03:25] <wood1> Ok ogra, I got the point
[03:25] <wood1> ogra, do you know about Samba Networking ?
[03:26] <skwid_> i installed the nvidia drivers
[03:26] <ogra> wood1: a bit....i use it sometimes if no nfs is available
[03:26] <skwid_> and my Xserver won't start anymore :(
[03:26] <ogra> skwid_: from the wiki ?
[03:26] <skwid_> ogra: hum, i followed the instructions on the unnoficial manual or something
[03:27] <wood1> How do I see if samba is running on my system currently ?
[03:27] <ogra> skwid_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:28] <ogra> wood1: ps ax|grep smb
[03:28] <skwid_> hum, what is installed for a command browser ? :/
[03:28] <wood1> What is the difference between NFS and Samba ?
[03:29] <ogra> wood1: nfs is unix based and offers all the advantages of a unix filesystem.....
[03:29] <skwid_> please :(
[03:30] <wood1> The Network icon in >Computer>Network  . Is that running on NFS or Samba ?
[03:30] <StarScreem> skwid_, lynx?
[03:30] <ogra> wood1: samby
[03:30] <ogra> +a
[03:30] <wood1> I see
[03:30] <skwid_> StarScreem: not installed aparently
[03:31] <wood1> Well since, I can connect to that Network, does that mean that my Samba client is running
[03:31] <skwid_> well.. installing it
[03:31] <ogra> skwid_: w3m
[03:31] <wood1> And what is the difference between a Samba Server and a Samba Client ?
[03:32] <ogra> wood1: its a task done by gnome-vfs you dont need a samba client "running"
[03:32] <wood1> Hum, I see, what is the first step to create a Share in Ubuntu which can also to access from Windows Workgroup PCs ?
[03:33] <kent> what program do i need to burn video dvd's in Ubuntu?  K3b seem to only have support for data-dvd's?
[03:33] <ogra> wood1: a samba server offers the folders on your system to the outside world.....you need to adjust /etc/samba/smb.conf to share
[03:34] <wood1> How do I see if my Samba Server is actually running or not ?
[03:34] <ogra> wood1: ps ax|grep smb
[03:34] <skwid_> ogra: can you give me the link back please, i'm on command line and don't know how to scroll up :(
[03:35] <ogra> skwid_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:35] <Kabuto> I'm having problem with "apt-get update".  I get "connection failed" message. Need help.
[03:35] <wood1> ogra,  it shows: 8275 pts/4 S+ 0:00 grep smb
[03:35] <ogra> wood1: so its not running....
[03:35] <ogra>  ps ax|grep smb
[03:35] <ogra>  3407 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D
[03:36] <StarScreem> skwid_, to scroll up ctrl+shift+pgup
[03:36] <Kabuto> I'm getting "Err http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages" "connection failed" and so on.
[03:36] <ogra> Kabuto: are you behind a proxy ?
[03:36] <wood1> how do I run the Samba Server in the first place ?
[03:37] <ogra> wood1: sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[03:37] <Kabuto> I'm using shorewall with default config, plus NAT.
[03:37] <Kabuto> NAT is on a different box.
[03:38] <ogra> wood1: but you need to adjust the config before....there is nothing shared by default i think
[03:38] <wood1> ogra, I think that I have not installed the Samba Server in the first place
[03:39] <wood1> ogra, what is the command to install it ?
[03:39] <ogra> wood1: ahh, yep, its not there by default......sudo apt-get install samba will do it
[03:40] <wood1> thanks ogra, it now installing
[03:41] <wood1> After it gets installed and starts running, will it have any conflicts with gnome-vfs ?
[03:41] <ogra> wood1: samba = server, gnome-vfs = client.....
[03:42] <ogra> wood1: not related....
[03:43] <jiyuu0> wood1, fyi samba section http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[03:44] <ogra> wood1: or: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[03:44] <scaroo> hi ppl ! is there a way to set the number of "steps" the scrollbars are scrolling when using myy mousewheel ?
[03:46] <scaroo> (when i use up/down keyboard keys the scrolling area scrolls 20 pixels or so, with mousewhell it is more 50 pxls)
[03:47] <wood1> I can't get samba to start
[03:48] <ogra> wood1: you ned to configure it first
[03:48] <ogra> need
[03:48] <wood1> It gives * Starting Samb daemons..  [fail] 
[03:48] <scaroo> wood1, look at /etc/samba/smb.cof
[03:48] <ogra> wood1: see here..... or the other url mentioned above : http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[03:51] <Abumosmar> anyone who knows how to get vlc to work on my external monitor? been searching for answers for awhile now and I'm not getting anywhere...
[03:51] <Kabuto> ogra: By proxy you mean http proxy?
[03:51] <ogra> Kabuto: yep....
[03:53] <Skwid_> ok ... my linux is all destroyed already :)
[03:53] <ogra> Skwid_: ??
[03:53] <Kabuto> hmm.... I go thorough no http proxy that I know of.  apt-get used to work fine.
[03:53] <Skwid_> the X server won't boot
[03:53] <Skwid_> oh well
[03:53] <Skwid_> got to go anyway
[03:54] <ogra> Skwid_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:54] <Skwid_> yeah
[03:54] <Skwid_> i did
[03:54] <Skwid_> anw, have a nice day
[03:55] <Kabuto> Only thing I'm doing different from default is enabling universe.  Installing one application from source. Having a separate box for NAT.  Shorewall is now diabled.
[03:56] <ogra> Kabuto: hmm, post your sources.list in #flood
[03:57] <TheEdge> hello !
[03:57] <Kabuto> Is there a man page on how to do that?
[03:57] <deFrysk> Kabuto, /j #flood
[03:58] <TheEdge> I'm looking for help concerning file sharing with windows.
[03:58] <TheEdge> can s/o help me plz ?
[03:59] <bob2> TheEdge: please just ask your question
[03:59] <TheEdge> I cannot open the documents located on a windows shared folder from ubuntu
[04:00] <TheEdge> I can browse trhrough the folder, but when I try to open a file it says it doesn't exist
[04:00] <Vince-0> Hmm . thats a tricky one
[04:00] <bob2> do you mean, "I browse to the share in nautilus, and it works fine, but when I double click on a file and try to open it with openoffice, it doesn't work"?
[04:00] <Vince-0> application probs ...
[04:01] <TheEdge> yep thats it bob2
[04:01] <ogra> missing vfs.....in ooo :( next release ......
[04:01] <TheEdge> these are actually doc files
[04:01] <bob2> copy them to your local disk
[04:01] <ogra> TheEdge: you must copy them locally....
[04:01] <TheEdge> oh yes I tried that and it works indeed
[04:02] <TheEdge> but i wanted to work directly on the files
[04:02] <TheEdge> it's not possible ?
[04:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> Guys what do you suggest  I will upgrade my pc currently I have anathlon XP 2000+ A7S333 mobo, geforce fx 5200 video card, 256 mb ram 266
[04:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> should I buy a new mobo?
[04:02] <bob2> TheEdge: not in warty
[04:03] <bob2> _|Imanewbie|_: why?  what is it too slow for?
[04:03] <TheEdge> ah :(
[04:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> Because A7S333 doesnt support ram 400 or I can stay cool with ram 333?
[04:03] <TheEdge> too bad
[04:03] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: no :)
[04:03] <bob2> _|Imanewbie|_: do you really know how much faster 400MBHz ram is?
[04:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> bob2: ogra so I should keep the mobo right?
[04:03] <TheEdge> so I should change my distro ?
[04:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> bob2: I assumo something like 100x = nothing
[04:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> *assume
[04:04] <bob2> TheEdge: erm, if you want
[04:04] <bob2> TheEdge: don't know of any others that include that fix
[04:04] <TheEdge> So it's not a specific issue to ubuntu
[04:04] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: what kind of high perfomance computing tasks do you want to run ? *g*
[04:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> so he best deal would be buy a new processor and 512 ram 333?
[04:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I'm CS student, well I got no car, my parents gave me nutthing when I got to a FREE and GREAT University so they offered me an upgrade for my PC
[04:05] <bob2> TheEdge: it's a OO issue, sort of
[04:05] <ogra> TheEdge: its an application issue of openoffice...a task that they work on, currently.....
[04:05] <Abumosmar> I dont wanna flod with the same question over and over again... will just ask one more time... is there anyone here who knows how to get vlc to work properly on an external monitor? it runs just fine exept that I only get a picture on my laptop..
[04:06] <bob2> Abumosmar: just ask on the list
[04:06] <TheEdge> ah ok :) hehe sorry i'm a total newbie
[04:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I want to run Doom 3 =p
[04:06] <TheEdge> ok then i'll keep my ubuntu as it
[04:06] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: hehe
[04:06] <Abumosmar> bob2: what list? the mailinglist?
[04:06] <bob2> Abumosmar: yes
[04:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> so what would be the best deal for me?
[04:07] <Abumosmar> bob2: ok... will do that.. thx
[04:07] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i am fine with the 600mhz here for all tasks i do, so what should i guess :)
[04:07] <TheEdge> bob2 > ok. thanks a lot :)
[04:08] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i would keep the money until this HW is to slow and buy new stuff then....
[04:08] <bob2> TheEdge: you're welcome
[04:08] <bob2> _|Imanewbie|_: ram would probably be the biggest boost
[04:09] <Kabuto> ogra: sources.list is on flood.
[04:09] <_|Imanewbie|_> bob2: that is why I will buy 512 RAM =)
[04:10] <ogra> Kabuto: remove the "main" in the last two lines
[04:10] <Kabuto> oki
[04:10] <ogra> Kabuto: ah, stop
[04:11] <kent> Have some one tried gear dvd-burner application?  I need an application that can burn dvd videos easely in a GUI,  cant seem to find one :(
[04:11] <ogra> Kabuto:  in the universe lines i mean
[04:11] <Kabuto> oki again
[04:11] <ogra> Kabuto: restricted seems also doubled....remove that too there....
[04:11] <Slackman> kent, what has googled turned up in the way of guis?
[04:12] <Kabuto> alright
[04:12] <Slackman> sorry that was for Kabuto
[04:12] <Slackman> actually nope..for kent
[04:12] <wood1> ogra, I have created the neccessary shares in the smb.conf , how do I connect to it from my Windows PC ?
[04:13] <ogra> wood1: browse network ?
[04:13] <Slackman> wood1, start smnb and nmdb then use windows network thingy
[04:13] <kent> Slackman, i found out that k3b --videodvd   can help me burn videodvd's :)
[04:13] <GotD0t> kent: can it do menus?
[04:14] <Slackman> kent, ah cool....since your doing dvd videos, have you heard of a product called DVD shrink....a friend of mine was asking about a linux alternative the other day
[04:14] <wood1> Slackman, I don't understand
[04:14] <Slackman> but i dont have a dvd drive s
[04:15] <Slackman> wood1, i think its called network neighbourhood in windows
[04:15] <GotD0t> kent: do you know if you can make menus for the video DVD's
[04:15] <wood1> I can see my Ubuntu PC in my Windows Network, I can't access it
[04:15] <Slackman> wood1, you need to make sure than the dir is writable
[04:16] <Slackman> to the smb group
[04:16] <Slackman> and readable
[04:16] <wood1> It asks for a password \\MachineName\IPC$
[04:16] <ogra> wood1: sis you follow the wiki ?
[04:16] <Slackman> wood1, is it not supposed to>?
[04:16] <ogra> did
[04:17] <Slackman> wood1, if you odnt want a password  you have to change the security mode
[04:17] <Slackman> in smb.conf
[04:17] <GotD0t> Slackman about a dvd shrink like app for linux ive heard you can use DVD shrink through wine
[04:17] <Kabuto> "main" from last four lines removed.
[04:17] <Kabuto> I'll try apt-get again.
[04:17] <ogra> Kabuto: no, not the last two...thats security updates
[04:18] <Slackman> GotD0t, ah cool...i'll pass it on..
[04:19] <Kabuto> Undo on security.  Removed "main" from archive sources.
[04:19] <GotD0t> but Slackman do you know if k3b lets you create the menu's for burning DVDs
[04:20] <Sgood1971> I tried DVD shrink through wine on SuSE 9.1 Pro and could not get it to work. Could have been just me though.
[04:20] <ogra> Kabuto: good :)
[04:20] <wood1> Slackman, I still can't connect to my Ubuntu PC from Windows Network ?
[04:21] <ogra> wood1: again, did you follow the wiki ?
[04:22] <wood1> Yes I did
[04:22] <ogra> wood1: with the smbpassword stuff and all ?
[04:22] <Slackman> wood1, k well i'll help you if you can give me some more info :)
[04:22] <Slackman> wood1, otherwise i can't help because i have no idea what your seeing/ what you've done
[04:23] <Slackman> wood1, also ogra seems to think that your missing something out of the wikki by the looks of it so ther is a 90% chance you haven't quite read/followed the wikki properly
[04:24] <Slackman> wood1, and remember you have to restart smdb and nmdb every time you change the smb.conf
[04:25] <ogra> Slackman: good point :)
[04:25] <d0gmaz> anyone can check if my webserver comes up http://62.166.246.26
[04:25] <wood1> Well I did the smbpasswd -a username thing
[04:25] <Matt|> doesn't look like it
[04:25] <d0gmaz> damn
[04:26] <KobrAs> d0gmaz: it doesnt
[04:26] <d0gmaz> what does it say?
[04:26] <wood1> ogra, I did the smbpasswd
[04:26] <KobrAs> time out
[04:26] <Slackman> d0gmaz, not working for me
[04:26] <Matt|> no connection
[04:26] <ogra> wood1: and you use the username you gave it ?
[04:26] <ogra> wood1: at the password prompt ?
[04:27] <wood1> I can't get the Username field from my Windows Network
[04:27] <wood1> I just get the password box
[04:27] <Slackman> wood1, what are you using to connect,...win98 or 2k?
[04:27] <wood1> It's Windows 98
[04:28] <Slackman> wood1, ah....there's your issue
[04:28] <Slackman> wood1, your trying to use 2k auth when your only running 98
[04:28] <Slackman> you have to have either no password or your 98 username the same as your linux smb one
[04:29] <wood1> Well I can connect from  Windows 2000 but not from Windows 98
[04:29] <wood1> thanks for the tips
[04:29] <wood1> Well how do I connect from Windows 98 though
[04:29] <wood1> ???
[04:29] <Slackman> wood1, did you see my post above
[04:29] <gson> mmm
[04:29] <Slackman> i gave you the answer
[04:29] <gson> where can i find direct connect? or kazaa ?
[04:30] <wood1> Slackman, I don't understand using my Win2K authority thing ?
[04:31] <ogra> Kabuto: there is still one "restricted" too much in your universe line....
[04:31] <Slackman> wood1, look very closely i said "you have to have either no password OR your 98 username must be the same as your linux smb one"
[04:31] <Kabuto> alright
[04:31] <gson> someone that knows?
[04:32] <d0gmaz> anyone can check again if my webserver comes up http://62.166.246.26
[04:32] <wood1> Slackman, I got it thanks
[04:32] <Slackman> np
[04:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep
[04:32] <Slackman> d0gmaz, yep
[04:32] <Matt|> d0gmaz, yea
[04:32] <d0gmaz> ah working
[04:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: if you got a lot of dirs there.....
[04:33] <Slackman> d0gmaz, thats alot of music :)
[04:33] <Matt|> *grins*
[04:33] <d0gmaz> heh
[04:33] <d0gmaz> its only my psytrance
[04:33] <wood1> Slackman, do you have any ideas why I can't browse my Network from my other PC running on Ubuntu Hoary ?
[04:33] <d0gmaz> i got a problem with grub
[04:34] <Slackman> wood1, well depends what error you get :)
[04:34] <jcoventry> Hello.
[04:34] <ogra> wood1: there are bugs in hoary at this level it seems, there were several other ppl this week with the same probs
[04:35] <jcoventry> I am having trouble installing Ubuntu on an iMac G3.
[04:35] <d0gmaz> if i install freebsd wich uses grub everything goes fine i get 2 choices 1. Freebsd 2. unknown (windowsxp) but if i install ubuntu i can choose windows but it doesnt boot
[04:35] <wood1> Well, Slackman, I can browse the Network with no problem, it's the shares that I can't access
[04:35] <Slackman> jcoventry, whats the prob/error?
[04:35] <jcoventry> it cant mount the CD-ROM
[04:35] <jcoventry> yet it burned fine and i did the checksum in terminal under Mac OS X.
[04:35] <Slackman> wood1, check the permissions on the dirs otherwise it may be the problem ogra was describing
[04:36] <MobyTurbo> d0gmaz, is your windows partition marked as bootable?
[04:36] <d0gmaz> mobyturbo, yes
[04:36] <Slackman> jcoventry, hmm i'd just try another CD....i have it running on my ibook g3
[04:36] <jcoventry> ok
[04:36] <MobyTurbo> d0gmaz, well, my main solution to windows problems is rm -rf /mnt/windows. ;-)
[04:37] <d0gmaz> hehehe
[04:37] <ogra> wood1: hoary is a unstable development system....if someone works on the librarys that are responsive it gets buggy
[04:37] <jcoventry> was i meant to do anything else?
[04:37] <jcoventry> i did : md5 /path/to/iso , to the ISO file under mac osx before burning it.
[04:37] <ogra> jcoventry: burn at a slower speed
[04:37] <jcoventry> i burned at 24x.
[04:37] <jcoventry> what speed do you suggest?
[04:38] <Slackman> jcoventry, i meant the disk its self
[04:38] <d0gmaz> jcoventry you press the "C" button while booting?
[04:38] <ogra> jcoventry: 8x is a good spped
[04:38] <jcoventry> yes, d0gmaz.
[04:38] <jcoventry> ok, ogra.
[04:38] <Slackman> jcoventry, buy better quality disks :)
[04:38] <Matt|> did anyone figure out the problem with openoffice and bold text?
[04:38] <jcoventry> lol.
[04:38] <wood1> Well I can browse the Network from a Warty PC but not a Hoary PC
[04:38] <jcoventry> i use discs from amazon , BENQ
[04:39] <Slackman> wood1, its prolly the hoary bug then...the price you pay for unstable software i guess
[04:39] <ogra> wood1: read what i wrote before ? look in bugzilla....if its not already there, file a bug :)
[04:39] <d0gmaz> jcocentry do you burn with toast?
[04:39] <Slackman> having said that, i'm running hoary myself...
[04:39] <wood1> So, Slackman and ogra So it's probably a problem with Hoary
[04:39] <jcoventry> i also burned the 4 yellowdog linux ISOs, and they also didn't work.
[04:39] <jcoventry> yes i used Toast Titanium 6 for Mac OS X.
[04:39] <d0gmaz> hmm
[04:40] <ogra> jcoventry: all at 24x ?
[04:40] <d0gmaz> hehe
[04:40] <d0gmaz> i think he doesnt know how toast works and burns the iso as a file on the disc
[04:40] <jcoventry> i was disconnected, sorry.
[04:40] <joh> Hello, I've got an amd64 computer running ubuntu (amd64 version), but I have some problems with certan applications like firefox (which segfaults when typing some characters in a form) and neverwinter nights (the graphics (textures especially) are terrible). Also, using amd64 binaries makes things a bit bothersome, as there aren't always 64bit binaries around. So I'm wondering if there would be much difference in performance/etc. if running a 32bit os..?
[04:40] <d0gmaz> jcocentry, you burned the is as a image?
[04:41] <ogra> jcoventry: did you burn em all at 24x ?
[04:41] <jcoventry> yes to d0gmaz and ogra
[04:41] <d0gmaz> jcocentry, you can mount iso's on the desktop with toast
[04:41] <jcoventry> no
[04:41] <d0gmaz> try that
[04:41] <jcoventry> just drag them in and burn em
[04:41] <d0gmaz> no
[04:41] <d0gmaz> dont
[04:41] <jcoventry> ok.
[04:41] <jcoventry> so ,
[04:41] <jcoventry> 8x and mount them before burning?
[04:42] <ogra> joh: hoary or warty ?
[04:42] <d0gmaz> im not on mac right now but there is an option for burning iso images
[04:42] <d0gmaz> dont drag em in
[04:42] <joh> ogra: warty
[04:42] <jcoventry> should i use Disk Utility instead?
[04:42] <d0gmaz> no
[04:42] <jcoventry> okay.
[04:42] <d0gmaz> its on other or something in toast
[04:42] <d0gmaz> you got three tabs or something last one is somthing with iso
[04:43] <jcoventry> i've been using the copy feature and then selecting 'Image/File' in the drawer.
[04:43] <Spherical`> Where do I download hoary ISO?
[04:43] <ogra> joh: i have no amd64, but afaik you can set up a chroot environment to run 32 bit versions....
[04:43] <franc1> Hi to all ubuntu people
[04:43] <joh> ogra: or just put libraries in /usr/lib32 and add it to LD_LIBRARY_PATH... but I still have the same problem with the graphics in nwn.
[04:43] <d0gmaz> jcoventry http://art.nmu.edu/lab/CD%20BURNING/Toast-2.jpg its under the 4th tab i think
[04:44] <jcoventry> hah
[04:44] <jcoventry> i'm using a newer toast
[04:44] <jcoventry> with a totally different interface
[04:44] <d0gmaz> yes i know
[04:44] <ogra> Spherical`: why not upgrade ?
[04:44] <franc1> please, can anybody help me setting up  a quickcam?
[04:44] <Spherical`> Will do, also I have a question for anybody that got their cam working..
[04:45] <Spherical`> I have a creative pc-cam 300, and I've seen a chipset driver for it.. does the kernel source come set up on the CD?
[04:46] <gerg> hello there.  is this a good channel for a linux/ubuntu newbioe to ask potentially stupid questions? :)
[04:46] <jcoventry> d0gmaz,  www.twilightice.net/~joshuacoventry/toast.jpg
[04:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> gerg: ask here =)
[04:47] <gerg> thanks :)  now i can't actually think of any though :D
[04:48] <gerg> aha. here is one.  i tried to install gftp as described ont eh forums HOWTO
[04:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> gerg: we are allways around to help as much as possible
[04:48] <ogra> Spherical`: libgphoto2 seems to have a module.....(libgphoto2_pccam300)
[04:48] <gerg> apt-get install gftp - but it doesn't find the package
[04:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> try first apt-get update
[04:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> than apt-get install
[04:48] <Spherical`> ogra would that work for streaming video on gnomemeeting though?
[04:49] <ogra> Spherical`: nope, its a photo lib.....
[04:49] <GotD0t> Slackman, you still here?
[04:49] <ogra> franc1: color or bw ?
[04:49] <franc1> I also have another question, concerning compatibility with debian/sarge binaries and ubuntu... can I safely add sarge contrib main etc.. to synaptic repositories?
[04:49] <franc1> ogra: color
[04:49] <ogra> gerg: did you enable universe ?
[04:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: no
[04:49] <jcoventry> d0gmaz, still alive?
[04:50] <gerg> ogra- not knowing what that is, i expect i probably haven't :)
[04:50] <ogra> franc1: should be handled by the c-qcam module
[04:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: you can use on your own risk
[04:50] <franc1> Imanewbie: no sarge on ububtu?
[04:50] <ogra> gerg: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[04:50] <d0gmaz> jcoventry,  http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/solutions/ydl_general/iso_burn-mac.shtml
[04:50] <gerg> ogra - thanks :) you should've just told me to rtfm ;)
[04:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: the packages are different
[04:51] <ogra> franc1: 99% of debian pacjkages are in ubuntu :)
[04:51] <franc1> ogra: I'll try c-qcam...
[04:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: as Ive said you CAN use, but you shouldnt
[04:51] <epod> franc1, I think it's kind of a case of, 'try it if you'd like, but you might break it'
[04:51] <jcoventry> thank you, d0gmaz.
[04:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> epod: amem
[04:51] <jcoventry> does this apply to Ubuntu as well?
[04:51] <confrey> hi everybody
[04:52] <bob2> franc1: ubuntu is more recent than sarge in almost all cases
[04:52] <d0gmaz> jcoventry, yes
[04:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> franc1: and it supposed to be updated more often
[04:53] <epod> Except the silly 0.9.3 firefox.
[04:53] <jcoventry> d0gmaz, i found a different section in Toast 6 which may be what i want...
[04:53] <jcoventry> Custom Hybrid type data has a feature to select an ISO?
[04:53] <franc1> ok. my idea with sarge was (1) use a mirror near by and (2) free ubuntu ftp servers... Thanks.
[04:54] <bob2> epod: what's wrong with it?
[04:54] <epod> bob2, theme issues is about all
[04:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> by the way, when will be firefox 1.0 be avaliable?
[04:54] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: when hoary gets out :)
[04:55] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, when its more stable than .93 im sure
[04:55] <jcoventry> ohhh i mounted and  i understand it now, thank you very much d0gmaz.
[04:57] <Kabuto> ogra: apt-get failed on connection.  Could it be something more simple like being banned?
[04:57] <ogra> Kabuto: i dont think so....
[04:57] <bob2> I really really doubt you're 'banned'
[04:58] <bob2> try a different server
[04:58] <ogra> Kabuto: show your sources.list again .....
[04:59] <Kabuto> oki
[04:59] <saf4> can someone help me to connect to the msn network
[05:00] <Matt|> how can i fix this unresolvable dependency in hoary:
[05:00] <Matt|> openoffice.org-debian-files:
[05:00] <Matt|>   Depends: openoffice.org (>1.1.2+1.1.3) but 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[05:00] <Matt|>   Depends: openoffice.org-bin (>1.1.2+1.1.3) but 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 is to be installed
[05:00] <ogra> Kabuto: you also edited the two upper lines it seems......
[05:00] <ogra> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:00] <ogra> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[05:01] <ogra> Kabuto: thats what they should look like
[05:01] <Kabuto> Trying apt-get update again.
[05:02] <franc1> about the color quickcam... humm... where is the c-qcam module? I can't findit...
[05:03] <ogra> franc1: run: sudo modprobe c-qcam
[05:03] <ogra> franc1: in a terminal
[05:04] <franc1> ok. I was running insmod c-qcam! Newbies!!!
[05:04] <Matt|> franc1, i did that yesterday too
[05:04] <Matt|> doh
[05:05] <Matt|> anyone help with that openoffice thing?
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> Matt|: what is worng?
[05:06] <Matt|> nothing just that error message
[05:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> ?
[05:06] <Matt|> ^^
[05:06] <GotD0t> how do i reinstall grub?
[05:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone has a good site to get cool backgrounds?
[05:07] <Matt|> _|Imanewbie|_, see it?
[05:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> Matt|: wich error message?
[05:08] <ogra> Matt|: uninstall openoffice.org-debian-files perhaps ??
[05:08] <franc1> yet the quickcam: what is the device? I have no /dev/video or /dev/v4l/* ....
[05:08] <Matt|> ogra, what will that remove?
[05:09] <ogra> franc1: try sudo modprobe videodev
[05:09] <ogra> Matt|: dunno..... but then the error is gone....
[05:09] <franc1> lsmod
[05:09] <Matt|> ogra, have you used that solution? openoffice still works ok?
[05:11] <Kabuto> ogra: Thanks for the help.  I'll call it quits for now.  Maybe some bright idea may come up if I rest on it.
[05:11] <ogra> Matt|: nope, i havent, but i dont think it will break.....
[05:11] <Matt|> k i'll try
[05:11] <ogra> Kabuto: doesnt work ?
[05:11] <Kabuto> No it doesn't.
[05:12] <Kabuto> I get hits but no connection.
[05:12] <ogra> Matt|: you can always hit stop if it wantd to remove to much
[05:12] <ogra> Kabuto: can you try: ping archive.ubuntu.com
[05:12] <Karakth> Does ubuntu disable root?
[05:13] <ogra> Karakth: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:13] <RubenV> yes
[05:13] <RubenV> for a reason :)
[05:13] <Karakth> k
[05:14] <franc1> yet the quickcam: Should "modprobe videodev"  create a /dev/video* or /dev/v4l/* ? It didn't...
[05:14] <Kabuto> ogra: see the #flood.
[05:14] <jblack> anybody in London?
[05:15] <gerg> i'm in Bristol which is almost close :)
[05:15] <ogra> Kabuto: could you use synaptic ? and set up your repositorys like this: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:16] <ogra> Kabuto: btw, you need no sudo for ping :)
[05:16] <Skwid_> can i use lilo rather than grub ??
[05:16] <Matt|> jblack, yes
[05:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: yes
[05:17] <Skwid_> ok
[05:17] <ogra> Skwid_: you can, but i wouldnt.....
[05:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: LILO is a piece of crap
[05:17] <jblack> matt: Cool. Anything cool to do on sunday night that's reachable via the underground?
[05:17] <Skwid_> hum, grub is ugly :)
[05:17] <Matt|> jblack, erm... what do you like doing?
[05:18] <ogra> Skwid_: grub is well integrated.....
[05:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: LILO is even worse
[05:18] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: you can place skins on grub
[05:18] <jblack> That's a difficult question.
[05:18] <Skwid_> ok
[05:18] <ogra> Skwid_: grub offers you to edit the settings on boot
[05:18] <Kabuto> Ok my synaptic is open.
[05:18] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, whats the point of putting skins on grub?
[05:18] <ogra> Skwid_: ever tried to edit lilo.conf before boot ? *g*
[05:18] <Skwid_> ogra: so how do i install stuff i don't find on synaptic, even with uni/multiverse on ?
[05:19] <jblack> something reasonably cheap, that involves some people, but not too many.
[05:19] <ogra> Skwid_: what for instance ?
[05:19] <Skwid_> ogra: php5
[05:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Feelling happy while watching your boot
[05:19] <ogra> Kabuto: make it look like in the shots.....
[05:19] <Skwid_> and amsn is at version 0.92 ...
[05:19] <Matt|> jblack, erm dunno better try timeout magazine
[05:19] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, you mean feeling happy while deciding what to boot?
[05:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Yes
[05:20] <jblack> Ok. THanks for the advice.
[05:20] <ogra> Skwid_: the clean way would....compile it and build a .deb
[05:20] <ogra> be
[05:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> GotD0t: Imagine a Naomi Campbell "boot"
[05:20] <Matt|> jblack, sorry i haven't been here long either
[05:20] <Matt|> ewwwwwwwww
[05:20] <GotD0t> _|Imanewbie|_, point taken
[05:20] <Matt|> not by me
[05:20] <Matt|> that's horrible
[05:20] <Skwid_> ogra: uh ??
[05:21] <ogra> Skwid_: so you can be sure it works on your sys :)
[05:21] <Matt|> ogra, all of the openoffice packages depend on the debian one
[05:21] <Kabuto> Do I need "deb-src" on repositories?
[05:21] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, bad
[05:21] <Matt|> *grins*
[05:21] <Skwid_> ogra: debian packages don't work on ubuntu ?
[05:21] <Matt|> bloody debian
[05:21] <ogra> Kabuto: to build from source....
[05:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> Skwid_: Can work but can crash your system too
[05:22] <ogra> Skwid_: you shouldnt mix the distros....
[05:22] <GotD0t> so anybody know how to get my ATI 9700 pro 3D accelerated in hoary?
[05:22] <Skwid_> stinx
[05:22] <ogra> Kabuto: you dont need them if you dont want to compile stuff....
[05:23] <ogra> GotD0t: daniels has put up some experimental packages ...... *EXPERIMENTAL* !
[05:23] <GotD0t> ogra, link?
[05:24] <daniels> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/$(ARCH)/
[05:24] <ogra> GotD0t: wannw try them ? i386: deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/ l-r-m/i386/
[05:24] <franc1> yet the quickcam: modules 'c-qcam' and 'videodev' are loaded, but i still can't see a video device...
[05:24] <ogra> :)
[05:24] <GotD0t> ogra: what are the packages called
[05:24] <ogra> franc1: look in the device manager....the advanced tab shows if there is a /dev/... and how it is named
[05:25] <Kabuto> ogra: synaptic gave me a weird message.
[05:26] <ogra> Kabuto: but it looks exactly like in the Howto ?
[05:27] <Kabuto> Yeah just have "deb archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/" and "deb security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
[05:27] <micsch> hi
[05:28] <ogra> Kabuto: distrtibution lines for show warty ?
[05:28] <ogra> -show
[05:28] <micsch> bob2: gdesklets works fine, thank you
[05:28] <netmonk> Does anyone know if hoary will include a more developed dc/dvd burning program?
[05:29] <ogra> Kabuto: and in the non security one the sections: main restricted universe ?
[05:29] <RubenV> when it matures
[05:30] <Kabuto> No I'll change that.
[05:30] <ogra> RubenV: still missing audio :(
[05:30] <RubenV> rhythmbox
[05:30] <micsch> irc and festival is very funny :-)
[05:30] <franc1> About the quickcam device: Does  someting like "/sys/devices/pci0000\:00/0000\:00\:1f.2/usb1/1-2" makes any sense?
[05:30] <ogra> Kabuto: just make it look the same....and for testing, just leave this one checked
[05:30] <GotD0t> is there a way i can view only the packages in a certain repo?
[05:31] <Kabuto> Received the same error.
[05:31] <ogra> franc1: this indicates the kernel module seems to work fine :)
[05:31] <ogra> Kabuto: switched off everything execpt this entry ?
[05:32] <franc1> ogra: yes, the modprobes didn't complain
[05:32] <ogra> franc1: i have no idea why your videodev is missing though
[05:32] <franc1> ogra: :(
[05:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> My father dislikes iron maiden and likes green day I'm d00med
[05:33] <ogra> franc1: does: lsmod|grep v4l    show something ?
[05:33] <Kabuto> What do you mean by switching off everything?  I have only two enabled on repositiores.
[05:34] <ogra> Kabuto: enable just the one that is shown in the screenshot....uncheck security while we are testing.....
[05:34] <franc1> lsmod!grep v4l shows "v4l2_common             6400  0" (I also did modprobe to v4l2_common)
[05:34] <GotD0t> once i install the stuff from daniels repo what do i do
[05:34] <ogra> GotD0t: i guess following the BinaryDriverHowto will work....havent tried it yet though
[05:34] <Micksa> could debootstrap be used to bootstrap ubuntu?
[05:35] <Micksa> I guess I could give it a shot huh
[05:35] <ogra>  Micksa: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/index.html
[05:36] <Kabuto> Its the same network problem again.
[05:36] <Micksa> ah, it's all in there, neat :)
[05:36] <ogra> Kabuto: show your sources.list again....
[05:38] <siretart> I've just written an howto for using x2x in ubuntu. would someone review it please: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/X2xHowto
[05:38] <ogra> Kabuto: looks sane now.... strange
[05:39] <ogra> Kabuto: and you can ping the server ?
[05:39] <Kabuto> Yes
[05:39] <DutchFish> Can I ask a q about ubuntu configuration?
[05:39] <ogra> Kabuto: can you see this url ? http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/
[05:40] <Kabuto> Oki
[05:40] <DutchFish> yes, why?
[05:40] <Matt|> DutchFish, go ahead and ask
[05:40] <ogra> Kabuto: seeing it in firefox.......?
[05:40] <Kabuto> My firefox can see it.
[05:40] <DutchFish> mine too
[05:41] <KobrAs> i can
[05:41] <ogra> Kabuto: hmm, thats really strange....the Packages.gz is what synaptic wants, so its no network prob....synaptic is set up correctly....
[05:42] <ogra> Kabuto: i have no idea anymore, except you have set up a proxy or something in synaptic.....
[05:42] <DutchFish> Who can help me with configuration of my monitors freqenties? (where to find the config)
[05:42] <DutchFish> I am new to ubuntu
[05:42] <Kabuto> Ok thanks anyways ogra.  I'll look into this strange thing.
[05:42] <GotD0t> well i tried restarting X and i still get the message saying "Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
[05:43] <DutchFish> is there a config tool (graphical) in ubuntu... xconfig isnt there
[05:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> DutchFish: Lookf for XFree86-4
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can I search for an specific file in my system?
[05:44] <DutchFish> man find
[05:44] <ogra> DutchFish: in a terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[05:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> like a search command to catch parcial matches
[05:44] <DutchFish> ty
[05:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> what is state.sah?
[05:45] <DutchFish> yes find can do that Iman
[05:45] <GotD0t> anybody know how to make sure firefox will only open on a certain display... no matter which display called it?
[05:45] <MobyTurbo> _|Imanewbie|_, if updatedb has run, "locate" is the fastest. Otherwise use "find".
[05:46] <rapha> Yo
[05:46] <Hikaru79> How do you check the md5sum of something in Windows?
[05:46] <rapha> What package is inittools in?
[05:47] <rapha> Hikaru79: search google for "md5 win32" or something.
[05:47] <ogra> rapha: what is inittools ?
[05:47] <rapha> ogra: /sbin/init and the like
[05:47] <Tomcat_> Hikaru79: Get "fsum"
[05:48] <rapha> ogra: I need the source.
[05:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> warning: updatedb: could not open database: /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db: No such file or directory
[05:48] <rapha> ogra: Except if you can tell me how to halt the computer using system calls.
[05:48] <Tomcat_> fsum can do MD2, MD4, MD5, SHA-1, SHA-2( 256, 384, 512), RIPEMD-160, PANAMA, TIGER, ADLER32, CRC32;
[05:48] <MobyTurbo> _|Imanewbie|_, then the updatedb cron job hasn't run yet, as I'd mentioned.
[05:48] <sfvg> hello...where can i get flash
[05:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> MobyTurbo: oki
[05:49] <MobyTurbo> _|Imanewbie|_, run updatedb manually or use find.
[05:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> sfvg: go to www.macromedia.com and jkust get the binarie, run it and everything will be auto set ut
[05:50] <sfvg> which binary?
[05:50] <Tomcat_> Better get the flash plugin from universe...
[05:50] <sfvg> thank you
[05:50] <Tomcat_> Or multiverse... whatever.
[05:50] <ogra> rapha: initscripts i think
[05:50] <Tomcat_> Wait a sec.
[05:50] <rapha> Oh! no I was wrong ogra, it's called sysvinit.
[05:50] <rapha> Okay, that should tell the package name as well :] 
[05:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> sfvg: What for Tomcat_ he said Ubuntu has a package...
[05:51] <MobyTurbo> sfvg, flashplayer-mozilla is in multiverse.
[05:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> Bad typo dammit
[05:51] <Tomcat_> sfvg: flashplayer-mozilla in multiverse... works with Firefox from the start.
[05:51] <Tomcat_> Oh... MobyTurbo had it first. :)
[05:52] <ogra> rapha: dpkg -S /sbin/halt ;)
[05:52] <sfvg> im getting it now from universe
[05:52] <MobyTurbo> Tomcat_, sorry about that. :-)
[05:52] <sfvg> thank you
[05:53] <rapha> thx ogra :)
[05:54] <sfvg> i have ubuntu installed and working with my Orinoco card..but its connected to the wrong wireless access point...where can i change that?
[05:55] <siretart> sfvg: in computer->systemconfiguration->network you can change the essid
[05:55] <gson> my mplayer wont find esd(dsl) sound output, do i have to compile it in a certain way, or how do i make it work?
[05:55] <siretart> sfvg: or do you have multiple ap serving the same network?
[05:55] <sfvg> im there and not seeing essid settings
[05:56] <sfvg> no
[05:56] <ogra> siretart: on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/X2xHowto ... you should point out the big security hole you open with enabling TCP conns in gdm
[05:56] <siretart> sfvg: remove the network interface and readd it
[05:56] <sfvg> ok
[05:56] <sfvg> thank you
[05:56] <siretart> ogra: are you aware of concrete threads?
[05:57] <siretart> s/threads/threats/
[05:57] <ogra> siretart: nope, but you open a port on a system where every external access is disabled by default....if someone relies on that he/she should be aware that
[05:58] <ogra> so a wrning would be goo i think
[05:58] <ogra> warning
[05:59] <siretart> ogra: ok, i'm on it..
[05:59] <ogra> siretart: otherwise it looks ok.... :)
[06:00] <gson> my mplayer wont find esd(dsl) sound output, do i have to compile it in a certain way, or how do i make it work?
[06:01] <gson> jiyuu0 help me m8 :)
[06:01] <Mayday> gson: mplayer will find esd if you have the esd dev packages installed when you "./configure" it
[06:02] <siretart> ogra: i've added a note. do you agree to that?
[06:02] <ogra> siretart: yep, looks fine :)
[06:05] <gson> Mayday jupp
[06:05] <gson> which packet do i need so mplayer will find esd?
[06:05] <gson> because it wont find it auto
[06:07] <WoRsTeBoY> hi, i am a compleet newb, reading a guide, they want me to execute a .sh file, how do i do that
[06:07] <ogra> gson: does it work with the -ao esd option ?
[06:07] <KobrAs> WoRsTeBoY: sh name.sh
[06:07] <gson> wont find esd...
[06:07] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: sh file.sh
[06:07] <gson> only oss and the others
[06:07] <gson> like 4 different drivers
[06:07] <WoRsTeBoY> Lol that is so easy that i'm embarrased i didnt find it myselve
[06:07] <WoRsTeBoY> thnx KobrAs
[06:07] <gson> but not esd
[06:07] <dmzen> Does anyone have experience getting spamassassin working with Evolution?
[06:08] <gson> which packet do i need in synaptic
[06:08] <ogra> gson: libesd0-dev is installed ?
[06:08] <gson> yepp
[06:09] <gson> liballe-esdplugin?
[06:09] <eruin> pfff, I have to chmod 777 /dev/nv* on every boot to run fullscreen 3d stuff
[06:09] <gson> hm. maybe alsa works
[06:09] <siretart> gson: <hint> marillat's mplayer for sarge is already compiled with esd support
[06:10] <siretart> eruin: you might want to edit /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions
[06:10] <ogra> siretart: i heard marillat has dependency issues ....
[06:11] <siretart> ogra: really? i'm not aware of any. but you need to use the sarge versions..
[06:11] <siretart> ogra: if there are any, then someone should recompile the repository for ubuntu..
[06:11] <ogra> siretart: i know....there were some ppl last week where it didnt work anymore
[06:11] <siretart> oh..
[06:12] <siretart> but.. "it works for me" [tm]  :/
[06:12] <sfvg> thanks sire...all connected to the right ap now...it did take a restart tho
[06:12] <WoRsTeBoY> anyone an idea of this chinese phrase ? Please enter CVS password (3 tries):
[06:12] <WoRsTeBoY> \033Password is probably\033 : \033cvs\033
[06:13] <ogra> siretart: just trying.....
[06:13] <CraHan> ok so what's been cooking in here?
[06:14] <gson> siretart ill try with alsa now..
[06:14] <jcoventry> 75% of Ubuntu installed on my iMac...
[06:14] <jcoventry> hehe
[06:14] <ogra> siretart: seems to work.....no probs
[06:14] <ogra> siretart: wrong alert....sorry
[06:15] <ogra> gson: so why dont you take the precompiled packages ?
[06:16] <gson> because they are not in synaptic
[06:16] <gson> where can i get em?
[06:16] <gson> iam trying with alsa, lets see if it works :)
[06:16] <ogra> gson: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:16] <gson> k nice man
[06:17] <siretart> ogra: well, you are right nevertheless: marillat compiles his packages for debian. dependency problems could and will occur sometime. I think someone should "fork" his work for ubuntu.
[06:17] <ogra> gson: add the marillat repository, refresh  and install
[06:18] <ogra> siretart: probably.... but this someone should have free bandwidth for his repos..... ;)
[06:19] <siretart> ogra: and a working buildd/sbuild setup! i have no experience in that.. :(
[06:19] <gson> k ogra
[06:19] <ogra> siretart: i think its documented, so it shouldnt be a prob to set up
[06:21] <siretart> ogra: hmm.. perhaps i find some time the next weeks to set something up...
[06:21] <ogra> siretart: :)
[06:23] <gson> works fine now ogra
[06:24] <ogra> gson: good :)
[06:24] <gson> mplayer found esd driver when i switched in synaptic to alsa:)
[06:24] <gson> dont know why but heh
[06:24] <ogra>  when i switched in synaptic to alsa ???
[06:25] <gson> i installed alsa package in synaptic
[06:26] <gson> instead of the esd-dev
[06:26] <ogra> gson: ah...
[06:26] <gson> and then it worked
[06:26] <gson> :)
[06:26] <ogra> gson: now it makes sense to me.....
[06:26] <gson> hehe:D
[06:26] <gson> movie time! cya
[06:26] <gson> tnx for the help
[06:26] <amr> hey, im a total newb, i've used linux for about 2 days, and i would like to know how to change the desktop wallpaper can anyone help me ?
[06:27] <WoRsTeBoY> right mousebutton
[06:27] <ogra> amr: right clik on the desktop :)
[06:27] <WoRsTeBoY> and i'm a noob from one day :D
[06:27] <amr> haha
[06:27] <amr> it says change desktop wallpaper or something but still wont work
[06:27] <amr> when i click on it
[06:28] <siretart> amr: i get a dialogue with wallpaper selection
[06:28] <amr> wierd
[06:29] <amr> any other way
[06:29] <amr> ??
[06:29] <ogra> amr: you are using warty in a default setup ?
[06:29] <egon_spengler> Or use Computer->Desktop Preferences->Desktop Background
[06:30] <amr> im sorry i have no idea what that means im a total newb, a friend of my friends installed it for me :)
[06:30] <egon_spengler> amr, Top Bar, Item labeled Computer, then Desktop Preferences Item, then Desktop Background item
[06:30] <ogra> amr: type cat /etc/issue in a terminal and see what it says
[06:36] <siretart> a friend is trying to install ubuntu, but he doesnt get to the installer. isolinux says this: loading spec packet failed, trying to wing it.. isolinux: found something at drive = 9F
[06:36] <siretart> anyone having a idea whats going wrong?
[06:37] <amr> egon_spengler, hmm i found it but it loads for about 30 seconds and then nothing happens
[06:37] <WoRsTeBoY> rpm -Uvh msfonts-1.2.1-1.src.rpm gives error: cannot write to %sourcedir /usr/src/rpm/SOURCES (me = noob)
[06:37] <amr> i feel that something isnt right cuz now i cant even open a terminal
[06:37] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: rpm isnt used in ubuntu
[06:38] <ogra> amr: that sounds bad
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> i have to use alien to convert to deb ?
[06:38] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: try "apt-get install msttcorefonts". perhaps you want that
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> ah,
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> k
[06:38] <amr> how can i reboot without the terminal ?
[06:38] <WoRsTeBoY> ill search the package
[06:38] <ogra> siretart: what kind of CD is that ?
[06:38] <ogra> amr: just logout, it offers to reboot
[06:39] <siretart> ogra: ubuntu warty release install cd. i386
[06:39] <ogra> amr: on boot look if there is written
[06:39] <ogra> Hoary
[06:39] <ogra> hmm
[06:41] <Matt|> siretart, where do you get that package?
[06:41] <siretart> Matt|: its in ubuntu universe
[06:41] <Matt|> nope
[06:41] <WoRsTeBoY> siretart: if i convert the RPM with alien to an .deb, then can i use it ? (I like tahoma and that isnt in "apt-get install msttcorefonts"
[06:41] <Matt|> i can't find that package at all
[06:41] <Matt|> :(
[06:41] <ogra> Matt|: i can....
[06:41] <Matt|> ogra, where is it?
[06:41] <WoRsTeBoY> Matt|:  you search the fonts ?
[06:41] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: nobody can guarantee that that rpm will not interfere with ubuntu's own packages. I recommend using rpm2cpio and putting that tahoma.ttf in your ~/.gnome2/fonts
[06:41] <Matt|> no package found
[06:42] <ogra> Matt|: hmm, multiverse (its not tagged) ?
[06:42] <Matt|> i don't know if i've stuck in multiverse
[06:43] <WoRsTeBoY> owke siretart now some freaky shit is happening, but i have mounted my windows ntfs disks, so can i copy tahoma.ttf to ~/.gnome2/fonts for the same effect ?
[06:43] <siretart> Matt|: try this: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/msttcorefonts/msttcorefonts_1.1.11_all.deb
[06:44] <Matt|> alright
[06:44] <ogra> hehe
[06:44] <Matt|> it's obviously not in the hoary branch
[06:44] <WoRsTeBoY> brb food !
[06:44] <Matt|> thanks siretart
[06:44] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: enable universe: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[06:44] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: try it. i think you need to relogin, but i never tried that myself..
[06:45] <siretart> Matt|: perhaps you want to have both warty and hoary lines in your sources.list?
[06:45] <ogra> siretart: bah, no
[06:45] <Matt|> siretart, maybe.
[06:45] <siretart> ;)
[06:45] <Matt|> ogra, what is multiverse btw?
[06:46] <siretart> Matt|: debian contrib, i.e. non-free stuff
[06:46] <ogra> Matt|: like debians non-free
[06:46] <Matt|> ogra, there is nothing about it on that wiki page
[06:46] <ogra> Matt|: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247/
[06:47] <Matt|> ogra, what is the address?
[06:47] <ogra> Matt|: read it ;)
[06:47] <Matt|> i have
[06:47] <micsch> does anybody know how i can move the gdesklets displays?
[06:48] <Matt|> ogra, i dont follow ya
 ogra, what is multiverse btw?
[06:49] <Matt|> oh yeah i got that part
[06:49] <Matt|> you already answered it :)
[06:49] <Matt|> what about the address part?
[06:49] <ogra> Matt| address part ?
[06:49] <micsch> i should read the man page, sorry for spamming ;-)
[06:49] <Matt|> what is the address for multiverse
[06:50] <ogra> Matt|: just add it behind universe in your repos
[06:50] <ogra> Matt|: space separated
[06:50] <Matt|> oh i c
[06:51] <dacobi> any info wether work is being done on an official netinst image?
[06:51] <Matt|> thanks ogra
[06:51] <ogra> :)
[06:51] <Matt|> yeah found that pesky font package
[06:52] <GotD0t> ogra: any last ideas about daneils drivers and actually getting them 3d Accelerated?
[06:53] <ogra> GotD0t: only whats written on the wiki....i.e. make sure the nvidia module gets loaded and use the nvidia X driver
[06:53] <GotD0t> ogra: you mean the binarydriver howto?
[06:53] <ogra> GotD0t: yep
[06:53] <Tomcat_> My laptop won
[06:54] <Tomcat_> My laptop won't come back up after suspend-to-RAM... what can I do? (Screen stays black, everything else starts normally... can even ssh in)
[06:54] <Fubar> hello
[06:54] <GotD0t> ogra: that requires me to install fglrx-driver... which i cant because it conflicts with xorg
[06:54] <Fubar> how can i install ubuntu for vmware?
[06:54] <ogra> Tomcat_: try switching to console and back
[06:54] <Fubar> i installed vmware just now
[06:54] <Fubar> i want to use ubuntu
[06:54] <netmonk> Tomcat_,  try Ctrl+F1 and then Ctrl+F7
[06:54] <Tomcat_> ogra: Didn't help.
[06:54] <Matt|> Tomcat_, they are working on it
[06:54] <Fubar> do i just install ubuntu normally?
[06:55] <Matt|> Tomcat_, you could try ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PMTesting
[06:55] <ogra> GotD0t: isnt that in daniels repo
[06:55] <Tomcat_> Matt|: Okay... it's nothing serious as Ubuntu is really fast starting up... but it would be nice to have a quick suspend.
[06:55] <gelfling> does anyone know much about ssh and scp. Basicly I want to ssh into a machine and copy some files off it my my home dir
[06:55] <Matt|> Tomcat_, yeah i know what you mean
[06:56] <Tomcat_> Matt|: I saw this page... not sure if I should try it... :o
[06:56] <Matt|> Tomcat_, try that kernel and maybe report it if it doesn't work, then they can get fixing
[06:56] <ogra> gelfling: use nautilus
[06:56] <Matt|> Tomcat_, just make sure you keep your other kernel ;)
[06:56] <dacobi> Fubar: a normal instalation ought to work
[06:56] <GotD0t> ogra: from what i can tell the only thing in his repo are the updated linux-restricted modules
[06:56] <Fubar> dacobi:  u use vmware?
[06:56] <gelfling> ogra: ???
[06:56] <Fubar> dacobi:  I never used vmware before, i got a trial version
[06:57] <Fubar> dacobi:  I want to install ubuntu on my 2nd hd
[06:57] <ogra> gelfling: File->Connect to Server
[06:57] <chihau> hello, i have problems with the MP3 files and Rhythmbox, its the rhythmbox error: "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[06:57] <ogra> gelfling: select ssh
[06:57] <Matt|> gelfling, yeah nautilus is excellent for that
[06:57] <ogra> gelfling: then drag and drop ;)
[06:57] <gelfling> oh, wow. didn't know you could do that. Awsome!
[06:57] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: have you tried disbling DRI in your XF86config?
[06:57] <Fubar> dacobi:  So i install it then setup virtual for it?
[06:57] <Tomcat_> Fwiffo: Not yet...
[06:58] <Fwiffo> ok, DRI is usully giving trouble like the ones you describe
[06:58] <Fwiffo> usually
[06:58] <dacobi> Fubar: do you want to install on a virtual disk or a real one?
[06:58] <ogra> GotD0t: look at the repo http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/l-r-m/i386/
[06:58] <gelfling> cause all the bits I read for scp where "heres how to copy file to a remote system" and I wanted from remote
[06:58] <gelfling> kewl thanks guys ^_^
[06:59] <GotD0t> ogra: hmm... synaptic isnt showing the new fglrx-driver options
[06:59] <dacobi> Fubar: I dont follow you: setup virtual?
[06:59] <ogra> GotD0t: refreshed ?
[06:59] <Fubar> dacobi:  You use vmware?
[07:00] <dacobi> Fubar: its been a while since I've used it
[07:00] <Fubar> oh ok
[07:00] <GotD0t> ogra: his versions require xserver-xfree86
[07:00] <Fubar> nevermind then
[07:00] <Fubar> ill figure it ok
[07:00] <dacobi> Fubar: but I installed debian under vmware once
[07:00] <Fubar> dacobi i see, and it worked fine?
[07:00] <GotD0t> ogra: which cannot be installed because they conflict with xserver-xorg
[07:00] <TheCan> what modules do i need to activate to be able to boot my custom kernel (without initrd) ?
[07:01] <ogra> GotD0t: i thought he said they are hoary.....hmmm....
[07:01] <dacobi> Fubar: once vmware was configured the debian install process was no different then a normal install
[07:02] <ogra> TheCan: the ones that are currently loaded i guess
[07:02] <GotD0t> ogra: apparently the nvidia glx drivers he supplied dont require xserver-xfree86
[07:02] <ogra> TheCan: at least disk and filesystems......
[07:02] <TheCan> ogra, ah good idea...it looks like i dont have the ide driver compiled in thats why it panics
[07:02] <GotD0t> ogra: when he comes around we'll have to mention that to him
[07:03] <gelfling> hmmm what am i missing, I can ssh to the box from bash but not nautilus
[07:03] <ogra> GotD0t: yep....except it is wanted this way.....
[07:03] <GotD0t> ogra, what do you mean
[07:03] <ogra> GotD0t: so ask him before you bug him ;)
[07:04] <micsch> bob2, here is my screenshot, thanx for your gdesklets tips http://stud.uni-sb.de/~misc5001/Bildschirmfoto-2.png
[07:04] <GotD0t> ogra, what do you mean its wanted this way.... i thought the point was to get 3d accleration working in hoary
[07:05] <ogra> GotD0t: probably the ati drivers are some other updates....
[07:05] <GotD0t> ogra, hmm... whatever, ill just ask him botu it
[07:05] <ogra> thats what i meant ;)
[07:06] <Tomcat_> Fwiffo: Disabling DRI didn't help, but Thanks.
[07:06] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: too bad :/
[07:08] <gelfling> hmmm what am i missing, I can ssh to the box from bash but not nautilus
[07:08] <GotD0t> ogra: in his article he posted about the drivers he had told you replace the driver in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/ do you know what that was to accomplish?
[07:08] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: I think i read something about some people having to do some 'chvt's to get their display bac up after resume
[07:09] <Fwiffo> Tomcat_: perhaps something you migt look into
[07:09] <Tomcat_> chvt... mh...
[07:09] <Fwiffo> something like chvt 1 chvt 7
[07:10] <Tomcat_> Well I tried switching between terminals and X...
[07:10] <Tomcat_> But that didn't help.
[07:10] <Fwiffo> ok :(
[07:10] <Yuusen> does anyone have experience with installing ubuntu powerpc edition on an external firewire hard drive?
[07:10] <gelfling> has anyone used nautilus to ssh into a box?
[07:11] <ogra> GotD0t: this one ? http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/013184.html
[07:11] <ogra> ugh
[07:11] <ogra> gelfling: yep....
[07:11] <kaiser-> where can i get mplayer?
[07:12] <ogra> kaiser-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:14] <gelfling> cool....
[07:14] <ogra> gelfling: works ?
[07:16] <gelfling> nope, i trying to find the eqivlent of ssh user@server so far i get You can stop this operation by clicking cancel
[07:16] <gelfling> and thats about it
[07:17] <Stuttergart> gelfling: you are trying to use nautilus to copy files over SSH?
[07:17] <ogra> gelfling: using the connect to server dialog ?
[07:17] <gelfling> yup
[07:17] <gelfling> to both
[07:18] <Stuttergart> sftp://username@host/path
[07:18] <Stuttergart> ?
[07:18] <ogra> gelfling: filled the form correctly ?
[07:18] <Stuttergart> or, as ogra says, you can use the "Connect to server" menu item.
[07:18] <Stuttergart> or do I misunderstand the issue?
[07:18] <ogra> Stuttergart: nope...
[07:19] <gelfling> probably not if its not working, I know the server and the user name i want to use, its using port 22 for ssh
[07:20] <ogra> gelfling: know the dir ?
[07:20] <chihau> hello, i have problems with the MP3 files and Rhythmbox, its the rhythmbox error: "there is no plugin installed to handle a MP3 file"
[07:20] <Treenaks> chihau: read the website/wiki
[07:20] <Treenaks> chihau: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:21] <Treenaks> chihau: that page explains why mp3 isn't supported by default, and how to enable it
[07:21] <gelfling> well i want some configs out of /etc but i can find out what dir i normaly get dumped into on ssh login. I'll try add that
[07:21] <chihau> Treenaks, thank
[07:21] <ogra> gelfling: login manually and type: pwd
[07:21] <Treenaks> gelfling: if you login with ssh you come in your homedir..
[07:22] <gelfling> yup
[07:24] <deadshell> hi anyone home?
[07:24] <gelfling> what the diff between user name and name to use for connection?
[07:24] <gelfling> hello deadshell
[07:24] <deadshell> gelfling, name for connection should be on machine trying to connect to
[07:25] <ogra> gelfling: name to use for connection is the name that appears on the icon if mounted
[07:26] <gelfling> so its fine if there both the same, aslong as its the user name i want to use right?
[07:27] <evandro> hi all !!! can anyone tell me how do I set vim as my man pages viewer ?
[07:27] <deadshell> yeah it makes it easier
[07:27] <ogra> gelfling: it doesnt matter what you give as name to use for connection ...
[07:27] <evandro> I'm trying many aproaches but none of them works good
[07:27] <ogra> gelfling: any descriptive one will do
[07:28] <speel> hey my ubuntu install came with the old xfree any ideas how to upgrade to xorg :) ?
[07:28] <deadshell> im trying to get a printer working (hp deskjet 845c) using usb port when i add printer then choose driver its says "Select a PPD file" Whats that?
[07:28] <gelfling> speel: i think xorg is going to be in hoary but not warty
[07:29] <speel> yea i heard that to but i thaught they released xorg for ubuntu ah guess i was wrong
[07:29] <hornbeck> gelfling: xorg is in Hoary right now
[07:29] <ogra> speel: it isnt released
[07:29] <hornbeck> speel: Hoary is the next release for Ubuntu
[07:30] <ogra> speel: its unstable/development, it will get released in april
[07:30] <speel> yea i know that i just thaught they released xorg for warty
[07:30] <hornbeck> speel: nope
[07:30] <ogra> speel: nope, wont happen
[07:30] <speel> ah ok ty all :)
[07:31] <Ubnewbie> Hi, all. Anybody know if a 400MHz G3, 224MB RAM is enough to run PPC Ubuntu? I don't see "minimum requirements" on the Ubuntu web site.
[07:31] <kaiser-> hmm what ports do i need to have open in order for a friend to use a vnc on my computer ?
[07:31] <deadshell> i got it to work ha ha ha ha
[07:31] <ogra> Ubnewbie: its enough ;)
[07:31] <Zugot> I'm going to run it on p3 450 laptop with 128MB of memory
[07:31] <Zugot> as soon as I download the cd
[07:31] <Ubnewbie> ogra: Many thanks! Off I go to download.
[07:31] <gelfling> ok nautilus hates me, back to scp man reading
[07:31] <kaiser-> im on a p4 3.06ghz with 1024 RAM
[07:31] <gelfling> thanks for tryin anyway guys
[07:32] <Treenaks> kaiser-: 6900
[07:32] <Treenaks> kaiser-: I think
[07:32] <kaiser-> okay
[07:32] <hornbeck> gelfling: what is wrong?
[07:32] <gelfling> no idea
[07:32] <ogra> kaiser-: you enable vnc in Computer->Desktop Settings->Remote Desktop
[07:32] <hornbeck> gelfling: what kind of problem are you having?
[07:33] <ogra> hornbeck: sftp with nautilus.....
[07:33] <hornbeck> ogra: thanks
[07:33] <ogra> hornbeck: connect seems not to work
[07:33] <Sgood1971> Could someone please tell me if I will mess up my install if I add regular Debian sources to sources.list? Will it hose me if I do an apt-get upgrade?
[07:33] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: yes it will mess it up
[07:33] <ogra> Sgood1971: maybe....
[07:33] <kaiser-> ogra i enabled it in the terminal
[07:34] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: unless you know pinning
[07:34] <ogra> Sgood1971: rather sure, depends on the packages.....but i wouldnt try it....99% of debian are in ubuntu
[07:34] <gelfling> ssh into box, copy files off it. Cant do it, I mean I'm sure warty can, just I cant.
[07:34] <kaiser-> ogra /vnc-4.0-x86_linux # vncserver
[07:34] <Sgood1971> hornbeck, I do not, so I will leave it alone.
[07:34] <ogra> kaiser-: why not with the tool ? it is proven to work....
[07:35] <siretart> gelfling: nautilus supports "ssh://username@ip" uris. they are working fine here..
[07:35] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PinningHowto/
[07:35] <kaiser-> well i have ubuntu on swedish and i cant seem to find anything that matches with what you said so i use the terminal
[07:35] <kaiser-> thats why
[07:35] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: that is a start
[07:35] <Sgood1971> ogra, I was trying to install gkrellm and could not find it. I guess I can compile from source.
[07:35] <CraHan> what's the status on the bootup splash sequence for ubuntu?
[07:35] <Sgood1971> hornbeck: Thanks for the link
[07:35] <ogra> gelfling: try what siretart said with ctrl-L in nautilus
[07:36] <ogra> Sgood1971: its there
[07:36] <gelfling> cool, I'll give it a shot
[07:36] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: apt-cache search gkrellm
[07:36] <hornbeck> that will list all the gkrellm packages
[07:36] <ogra> Sgood1971: enable universe: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[07:37] <Sgood1971> ogra: and hornbeck: I did apt-cache search gkrellm and found nothing.
[07:37] <ogra> Sgood1971: as i said, you need universe enabled
[07:37] <hornbeck> Sgood1971: you will need to enable universe
[07:37] <Sgood1971> ogra: ah-ha !!! thanks
[07:37] <gelfling> siretart: whats the uris bit?
[07:37] <siretart> gelfling: excuse me?
[07:37] <Sgood1971> that will do it. Thanks people.
[07:37] <kaiser-> im starting to dislike this... i cant seem to enter my "home" folder on my desktop....
[07:37] <gelfling> siretart: "ssh://username@ip" uris
[07:38] <ogra> kaiser-: ??
[07:38] <siretart> gelfling: just replace "username" and "ip" with the correct values.
[07:38] <Sgood1971> kaiser-: you can add it to your panel.
[07:38] <kaiser-> yea i have it
[07:38] <kaiser-> it still wont open
[07:38] <siretart> gelfling: you may also use hostnames if your resolver is configured correctly
[07:39] <Matt|> my  sign doesn't work in openoffice, any ideas?
[07:39] <gelfling> ok, yeah nautilus hates me. Thanks anyway guys. You've gone above and beyond to try and help and I apriciate that
[07:39] <WoRsTeBoY> what was the font directory again ? cant find it using google
[07:40] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: ~/.fonts ?
[07:40] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: you mean ~/.gnome2/fonts
[07:40] <siretart> ?
[07:40] <siretart> ogra: i'm not quite sure whats the right location, do you have experience?
[07:41] <WoRsTeBoY> thnx siretart
[07:41] <ogra> siretart: ~/.fonts works fine for me, never tried  ~/.gnome2/fonts
[07:41] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: you will probably have to run fc-cache if you copy them manually
[07:41] <deadshell> what vnc app should i use?
[07:42] <ogra> deadshell: the built in ?
[07:42] <deadshell> whats it called/where is it i've been looking
[07:42] <ogra>  deadshell: for server: Computer->Desktop Settings->Remote Desktop
[07:42] <WoRsTeBoY> cant go there :s
[07:42] <WoRsTeBoY> i am using console, i am in gnome2
[07:43] <WoRsTeBoY> but no such map fonts
[07:43] <ogra>  deadshell: for client: Applications->Internet->Terminal Server Client
[07:43] <siretart> WoRsTeBoY: oh, then you should hear to ogra, i never tried that myself..
[07:44] <WoRsTeBoY> ogra you got an idea, i mounted my ntfs disks and linux can actualy read my fonts :)
[07:44] <d0gmaz> i installed ubuntu on a ext2 partition and everytime i shutdown and reboot it says my filesystem is not shutdown properly can i change something in the shutdown script so it willl shutdown properly
[07:45] <WoRsTeBoY> but now i want to copy them ;)
[07:45] <Matt|> the  sign on my keyboard doesn't work in openoffice, any ideas? it just doesn't do anything. It's fine in other applications 
[07:45] <deadshell> ogra, thanks thats not what i would think it was called :P
[07:46] <siretart> Matt|: you said before you use hoary. no? i think you have a broken locales setup.. sorry, I lack experience in that field..
[07:46] <Matt|> yeah hoary
[07:46] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: copy them over to ~/.fonts and run fc-cache in a terminal
[07:46] <WoRsTeBoY> thnx
[07:46] <ogra> deadshell: hehe....sometimes they hide it
[07:47] <deadshell> ogra, in plain site even : )
[07:47] <WoRsTeBoY> bash: cd: /home/worstenboy/.fonts: Onbekend bestand of map "doesnt exist" create a folder then or do all my commands as root ?
[07:47] <ogra> d0gmaz: rather use ext3
[07:47] <d0gmaz> ogra, can i change it?
[07:47] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: create it as the owner of the dir
[07:47] <WoRsTeBoY> ok ty
[07:48] <ogra> d0gmaz: with tune2fs -j /dev/hdX and change the fstab line for the disk to ext3
[07:49] <ogra> d0gmaz: ext3 is in fact ext2 with a journal :)
[07:50] <GotD0t> i think there is something wrong with the keyboard drivers in hoary.... as sometimes my entire system freezes up if i press a single key to fast too many times
[07:50] <d0gmaz> :) never knew that i thought it was a filesystem for servers and things with extra data security
[07:50] <WoRsTeBoY> ogra: Very much thanx, it worked !!!!!!!
[07:51] <TheCan> damn it...do i need to put out "initrd" support from the kernel to boot it without initrd?
[07:51] <ogra> d0gmaz: the journal offers this security.....you can pull the plug and the data gets restored  (mostly)
[07:51] <siretart> ogra: you are right. ~/.fonts is used by font-config. ~/.gnome2/fonts seams to be someting gnome specific, so fonts would only be available in gnome apps. ~/.fonts should work for every X app.
[07:52] <ogra> WoRsTeBoY: :)
[07:52] <d0gmaz> ogra, do i need to "update" the fstab when i added or edit something?
[07:52] <d0gmaz> i can remember something like that
[07:52] <ogra> d0gmaz: nope
[07:53] <d0gmaz> i also added my ntfs partition but i cant mount it
[07:53] <ogra> d0gmaz: show the line
[07:53] <d0gmaz> /dev/hdb1	/mnt/disk2      ntfs    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[07:54] <ogra> d0gmaz: probably : /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk2      ntfs    defaults,user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[07:54] <ogra> d0gmaz: or : /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk2      ntfs    user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[07:55] <ogra> d0gmaz: would not mount it on bott but gives the mount option to users
[07:55] <ogra> boot
[07:55] <d0gmaz> i'm sorry its mounted but wont come up in the list in gnome
[07:56] <GotD0t> ogra: you need to set the umask=0 and add the option ro
[07:56] <johnny66> hi,i am trying a ubuntu live cd which is not booting on my box
[07:56] <ogra> d0gmaz: try it with the user mountable option
[07:56] <ogra> GotD0t: umask=000 is a octal 0
[07:56] <d0gmaz> ogra, ill try ill reboot anyway for the ext3
[07:56] <GotD0t> ogra: i was pointing out that you NEED it...
[07:57] <ogra> GotD0t: ro is the default for ntfs afaik, do you need it ?
[07:57] <GotD0t> johnny66, get into your bios and tell it to boot from a CD... sometimes they have the hard drive boot before the CD
[07:57] <GotD0t> ogra: i had problems without it
[07:57] <GotD0t> ogra, best to be on the safe side
[07:57] <ogra> GotD0t: good to know, thanks....(got no ntfs here)
[07:58] <d0gmaz> uhm what should i do? :P
[07:58] <ogra> GotD0t: yep, but the driver wont allow it anyway i think
[07:58] <Tomcat_> Mh... seems like I fixed my suspend problem.
[07:58] <johnny66> the bios is allready configured to boot from cd,it boots until i get the ubuntu scree & hangs there
[07:58] <ogra> d0gmaz: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/disk2      ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0
[07:59] <GotD0t> johnny66, before you burned it, did you check the md5sum against those posted on the site... it might have been corrupted
[07:59] <d0gmaz> ogra ok :)
[07:59] <d0gmaz> thanks
[07:59] <johnny66> checked that too,it the right md5sum
[07:59] <ogra> johnny66: the burning speed is essential......how fast did you burn the iso ?
[07:59] <johnny66> 0
[08:00] <ogra> johnny66: you shouldnt use faster then 8x
[08:00] <GotD0t> johnny66, your media might have been corrupted it you burned it to fast
[08:00] <eruin> what exactly is xaw3d ?
[08:00] <johnny66> i will reburn it & try again
[08:00] <GotD0t> johnny66, i would do 6x
[08:00] <d0gmaz> ogra, somthing else it complains about a randomize module wich i dont have on startup how can i stop loading it?
[08:00] <ogra> eruin: the widget set xpdf uses afaik
[08:01] <ogra> d0gmaz: pciehp ?
[08:01] <johnny66> ok gonna try at six
[08:01] <eruin> just say ugly ;)
[08:01] <d0gmaz> ogra, no
[08:01] <ogra> eruin: hehe
[08:01] <johnny66> will be back if any problem
[08:01] <ogra> d0gmaz: what else ?
[08:01] <d0gmaz> ogra, ill write it down when im back
[08:01] <ogra> d0gmaz: k
[08:03] <d0gmaz> ogra, its hw.random.ko a module
[08:04] <ogra> d0gmaz: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[08:04] <ogra> d0gmaz: applys to hwrandom too
[08:05] <d0gmaz> ogra, should i put in a line with just hw.random.ko or random ?
[08:06] <ogra> hwrandom
[08:06] <d0gmaz> what is it?
[08:06] <ogra> better: hw_random
[08:07] <durandal> has anyone experienced the same thing i have: after installing Ubuntu, booting from the CD-ROM drive _stops_ working?
[08:07] <ogra> modinfo hw_random: description:    H/W Random Number Generator (RNG) driver
[08:07] <dare2dreamer> lo all.
[08:07] <GotD0t> ogra: do you think blacklisting it is a good idea, don't you think trying to fix it would be better
[08:08] <dare2dreamer> Anyone got a sec for a newbie question regarding the find command?
[08:08] <d0gmaz> hehe
[08:08] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer, ask it
[08:08] <ogra> GotD0t: you think i should solder a RNG chip on d0gmaz mainboard ?
[08:08] <d0gmaz> lol
[08:08] <GotD0t> ogra, is that what it is?
[08:08] <GotD0t> ogra, and i think you should
[08:09] <ogra> GotD0t: hehe
[08:09] <GotD0t> ogra, ;-)
[08:09] <Yuusen> im trying to install ubuntu on an external firewire drive using an apple powerbook. the initial installation stage has finished and the cd has ejected itself. how on earth do i now boot the firewire drive?
[08:09] <d0gmaz> i got a asus p4p800se i'll take a look if there is one on it
[08:09] <GotD0t> ogra, is it normal to have one on your mobo?
[08:09] <ogra> GotD0t: but you are right, there should be a script that doe the blacklisting after install
[08:09] <GotD0t> ogra, yea
[08:10] <dare2dreamer> thanks, Got. I was trying to do some file moves from my now defunct windows box, and I was trying to recursively change the file permissions on a bunch of files. I tried "find ./ -type f -exec chmod og-rwx {} ;" but got an error "find: missing argument to `-exec'"
[08:10] <GotD0t> ogra, just like the pciehp and scphp or whatever those are
[08:10] <ogra> d0gmaz: at least there is none the hw_random driver can wirk with
[08:10] <d0gmaz> ogra, i had this problem after i installed a kernel matching my cpu
[08:10] <ogra> GotD0t: yep
[08:10] <dare2dreamer> can't you toss those in hotplug's blacklist file? I know you can do that on stock debian
[08:11] <ogra> dare2dreamer: they should get in there by default....ubuntu is not debian ;)
[08:11] <dare2dreamer> I'm aware, and loving it. :-)
[08:11] <ogra> dare2dreamer: ;)
[08:11] <dare2dreamer> any thoughts on my find dilemma?
[08:12] <GotD0t> ogra, its not deadly to keep them enabled... but disabling them if they are not needed makes it more user-friendly... because it freaks people out
[08:12] <dare2dreamer> no one likes to see "fatal error, could not load module." Of course it just made me go look up what the hell "wasn't working" at the time.
[08:12] <ogra> GotD0t: first of all, yes...but second, the splash will be in hoary, so you wont see them anymore
[08:13] <GotD0t> ogra, but you still will be able to see them, right?
[08:13] <Yuusen> um, guys, im having an installation issue. anyone wanna help?
[08:13] <dare2dreamer> Gotdot: any ideas on my find question?
[08:13] <ogra> GotD0t: if you want to, i guess yes.....but not by default
[08:13] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer, no clue... but i agree with you on the splash, i like seeing whats going on
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> bummer. too many files to do by hand. guess I'll have to hack at them some more.
[08:14] <d0gmaz> you should have a button to turn the splash off
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> F2
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> kills splash on grub in most other distros.
[08:14] <dare2dreamer> think its a bootsplash default.
[08:14] <ogra> d0gmaz: there will be an option for sure
[08:14] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: you should have an option to always have it off
[08:14] <ogra> dare2dreamer: you never know what they make up for usplash ;)
[08:14] <durandal> i'm about ready to throw my laptop out the window. Ubuntu pre-emptively boots from the hard drive instead of from the CD-ROM...
[08:15] <dare2dreamer> yeah, more naked people. :-)
[08:15] <GotD0t> durandal: go into the bios...
[08:15] <durandal> i DID
[08:15] <d0gmaz> i think wine should be shipped
[08:15] <durandal> and i put CD-ROM first and Grub still loads up
[08:15] <ogra> dare2dreamer: i mean in case of functionallity....it wont be bootsplash
[08:15] <dare2dreamer> dog, I'm trying to de-windows my box...I'm just happy I didn't have to install a samba server for a change.
[08:15] <Yuusen> and while were on a startup topic. why wont yaboot install on my external firewire drive?
[08:15] <durandal> CDROM - Boot Floppy - Hard Drive - Network Boot
[08:15] <durandal> in that order
[08:15] <GotD0t> durandal: do you have two optical drives?
[08:15] <dare2dreamer> durandal, external cdrom?
[08:15] <durandal> no, just one
[08:16] <dare2dreamer> might try a boot floppy, laptop hardware sometimes acts weird on boot.
[08:16] <dare2dreamer> did a friend's laptop and the cdrom gave us fits.
[08:16] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer:  is there a way he can have grub boot from the cd?
[08:16] <durandal> yeah, but how/where can i get a boot floppy for WinXP? ;)
[08:17] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: like have a thing he can select to boot the CD
[08:17] <durandal> i'm de-Linuxing my laptop... i've tried a half dozen distros of linux and i dont like any of em
[08:17] <gson> kaiser- ahoj
[08:17] <gson> priv
[08:17] <dare2dreamer> got, I think so...but damned if I remember how. prolly just point at an entry with the appropriate /dev for the cd device.
[08:17] <GotD0t> durandal: which have you tried...
[08:17] <dare2dreamer> if not, check out syslinux. it's a lifesaver for weird hardware. boot from anything.
[08:18] <dare2dreamer> think it can do the floppy thing too.
[08:18] <d0gmaz> durandal, maybe you should try BSD
[08:18] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: i know it can do the floppy... thats why i was asking
[08:18] <dare2dreamer> basically acts as a bios loader for bootable cdroms on systems without bootcd bios.
[08:18] <durandal> Fedora Cores 2 and 3, Mandrake, MEPIS, Knoppix/Gnoppix, and Ubuntu
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> I'd imagine grub can, hell I've seen people use grub to load from isos before.
[08:19] <durandal> and Ubuntu is the one i've had the most problems with
[08:19] <GotD0t> durandal: what didn't you like about ubuntu
[08:19] <skullbocks> hi
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> really? Ubuntu made me a switcher.
[08:19] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: really? thats cool
[08:19] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: really about booting from isos
[08:19] <ogra> dare2dreamer: :)
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> Got, yeah...if you search around the damnsmalllinux forums you'll likely find something on it.
[08:19] <dare2dreamer> I think it was isos, it may have been the loop files in the iso though.
[08:19] <skullbocks> does anyboby manage to play war3 with ubuntu ?
[08:19] <durandal> well, i really dont like Linux _at all_... its not ready for the desktop
[08:20] <durandal> in my humble opinion
[08:20] <dare2dreamer> duran, I thought that till recently. Then my windows box almost took out my business.
[08:20] <GotD0t> durandal: well ubuntu seems to be the thing that will eject linux into the mainstream
[08:20] <dare2dreamer> Now, my company did the Ernie Ball thing and switched like there was no turning back.
[08:21] <GotD0t> durandal: in my humble opinion
[08:21] <Yuusen> can someone spare a moment from the ubuntu back-slapping to help me out with an installation problem?
[08:21] <durandal> i may be getting an iBook in a month or two, but until then i want a usable laptop
[08:21] <dare2dreamer> I'll take a crack at it.
[08:21] <GotD0t> Yuusen: whats goingo n
[08:21] <GotD0t> durandal: why not go for a powerbook?
[08:21] <dare2dreamer> powerbooks, lovely but pricey.
[08:21] <GotD0t> durandal: i've decided the next computer i'll buy will tbe the 12 inch powerbook
[08:21] <d0gmaz> durandal, on what platform are you?
[08:22] <dare2dreamer> Yuusen, what's the hangup?
[08:22] <durandal> cant afford one, really.
[08:22] <Yuusen> im trying to install ubuntu on my powerbook. i want to try it out on an external drive before i wipe my main. the installer disk recognises the external drive and installs the first stage.
[08:22] <GotD0t> Yuusen: yea man.. ask your problem
[08:22] <Yuusen> the only thing is that yaboot doesnt install and i have no obvious way to boot from the drive to complete the installation.
[08:22] <durandal> my current laptop is a hefty Compaq Presario 700 (x86)
[08:22] <dare2dreamer> man, I haven't played with enough ppc hardware to really be of use here. Someone else a macified genius?
[08:23] <dare2dreamer> there is another bootloader for ppc I saw once, might try it.
[08:23] <GotD0t> Yuusen: i wish i could help... only thing i know about powerbooks and macs in general is that i want one
[08:23] <d0gmaz> :)
[08:23] <dare2dreamer> can't remember the name though...only saw it once when I was helping a friend do evil things to an old powerpc.
[08:24] <GotD0t> evil things dare2dreamer?
[08:24] <Yuusen> okay, so i wonder if you could help me applying some general linux knowledge instead: the installer suggested that i boot the kernel by hand. how do i do that?
[08:24] <dare2dreamer> yes, EVIL things. As I recall said 50 pound pile of scrap is now running his network. :-)
[08:24] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: haha
[08:25] <dare2dreamer> boot by hand? Hm. That actually sounds like that other loader I read about. hang on, let me see if I can find something on it,
[08:25] <Yuusen> thankx very much dare2dreamer
[08:25] <dare2dreamer> no problem.
[08:25] <dare2dreamer> back in a flash, hopefully with news
[08:26] <jcoventry> i'm back
[08:26] <jcoventry> now that i'm in ubuntu
[08:26] <jcoventry> i want to install VLC but cant get into the root account to do so.
[08:26] <GotD0t> jcoventry: use sudo and your user password
[08:26] <durandal> jcoventry: sudo -s
[08:26] <GotD0t> jcoventry: ubuntu doesn't use an actual root account
[08:26] <dare2dreamer> what kind of firmware on that ppc? oldworld or new?
[08:26] <jcoventry> ok
[08:27] <Yuusen> new
[08:27] <GotD0t> haha.... i just realized, the clock on one of my screen displays civi time and the other displays military time
[08:27] <dare2dreamer> there's allegedly a yabin that comes along with yaboot that acts like lilo. might work for you.
[08:28] <Yuusen> got a uri to the document?
[08:28] <ogra> Yuusen probably this thread sheds some light: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/007451.html
[08:28] <dare2dreamer> sure, just a sec
[08:28] <Yuusen> thankyou ogra
[08:28] <dare2dreamer> http://penguinppc.org/bootloaders/yaboot/
[08:28] <ogra> Yuusen: :/
[08:29] <dare2dreamer> you might also try http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/install for more help
[08:29] <yam> I have to reboot lot of times in order to be able to log in X windows, the most of the times screen is just black
[08:29] <ogra> Yuusen: wont be to helpfull...
[08:29] <yam> heard of this problem? Have an ati radeon 9800
[08:29] <Yuusen> ogra: no its more of a sympathetic ear. lol
[08:29] <dare2dreamer> try turning off DPMS in X, read something about it in the forums.
[08:29] <GotD0t> yam: but you can get into X?
[08:29] <ogra> Yuusen: :)
[08:29] <d0gmaz> how can i get libwxgtk2.3-python, btdownloadgui cannot run without it, i got that through synaptic
[08:30] <dare2dreamer> gonna jet for a bit, gotta try to hash out this file/find thing.
[08:30] <yam> GotD0t: GDM always works
[08:30] <GotD0t> dare2dreamer: have fun
[08:30] <yam> GotD0t: but when I enter my username/password, screen goes black and monitor led goes orange
[08:30] <ogra> d0gmaz: so  libwxgtk2.3-python should be there too
[08:30] <durandal> d0gmaz: apt-get install libwxgtk2.4-python
[08:30] <dare2dreamer> ayup
[08:30] <dare2dreamer> later all.
[08:30] <GotD0t> yam: try what dare2dreamer suggested, dont have a clue
[08:31] <durandal> its actually 2.4, not 2.3 if memory serves
[08:31] <Yuusen> later dare2
[08:31] <Yuusen> thanks for the help
[08:31] <d0gmaz> ogra, i though synaptic solves dependencies?
[08:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: normally it should....
[08:32] <d0gmaz> Package libwxgtk2.4-python is not available
[08:32] <d0gmaz> i installed bittorent through synaptic
[08:32] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: do a search for libwxgtk in synaptic
[08:32] <d0gmaz> i run warty
[08:32] <ogra> d0gmaz: that may be the prob .....
[08:33] <d0gmaz> cannot find anything
[08:33] <ogra> d0gmaz: its in universe
[08:34] <d0gmaz> ogra, aha
[08:34] <GotD0t> ogra: thats strange... why would a dependency be in universe when the main package is not
[08:34] <ogra> GotD0t: dunno....
[08:34] <d0gmaz> yeah i just did a clean ubuntu install updated everything not with universe or hoary on
[08:35] <d0gmaz> and installed bittorrent
[08:35] <d0gmaz> try it yourself :P
[08:35] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: i believe you, i just think its strange that it would end up like that
[08:35] <ogra> d0gmaz: bittorrent != btdownloadgui
[08:35] <johnny66> no,it does not want to seem to run on my box, i tr-burnt the ubuntu live cd,it goes until tje ubuntu screen & hangs there
[08:36] <d0gmaz> i think it is because the headless version does work
[08:36] <GotD0t> johnny66: forgive me if this sounds cynical... but did it ask you to press any buttons?
[08:36] <ogra> d0gmaz: yep....
[08:36] <bogl> Anyone help with reprobing for a monitor?
[08:36] <johnny66> well it gives you a lot of options,i left it to boot on ubuntu
[08:37] <GotD0t> johnny66: what do you mean
[08:37] <ogra> bogl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xerver-xfree86
[08:37] <jcoventry> i couldn't do the sudo command
[08:37] <jcoventry> and i cannot use the apt-get command either
[08:37] <bogl> ogra: aha, that's not on the wiki - thanks!
[08:37] <GotD0t> jcoventry: well you need to use sudo to do apt-get
[08:38] <johnny66> well,the cd boots from the cdrom,it loads up well then you got the options,if you want to boot on failsafe or expert etc...,i left it boot on ubuntu normal
[08:38] <ogra> bogl: more detailed with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure --plow xerver-xfree86 (if the first isnt enough)
[08:38] <johnny66> going to try on another box
[08:39] <darren> Can anyone answer a question about the free Ubuntu cd's?
[08:39] <gson> someone that plays world of warcraft in ubuntu?
[08:39] <GotD0t> darren: whats your question
[08:39] <d0gmaz> but i have to say this is the best distro i tried only slackware is on nr.2
[08:39] <bogl> ogra: just checking, that is xerver not xServer?
[08:39] <ogra> bogl: argh, typo....
[08:39] <ogra> bogl: you are right
[08:39] <darren> GotD0t, If I ordered 30 would they all be sent in the same parcel?
[08:39] <GotD0t> darren: they're not free in the "i just need your credit card to make sure you're alive" sense of the word
[08:39] <bogl> ogra: no worries, thanks for that, will go & try
[08:40] <ogra> bogl: and plow uses only one dash btw
[08:40] <GotD0t> darren: i would assume so
[08:40] <johnny66> well,it's booting from an old pentium3 450mhz which is much older thatn the amd
[08:40] <bogl> ogra: thanks a lot, much obliged.  This is a great community indeed
[08:40] <darren> GotD0t, they're not free in the "i just need your credit card to make sure you're alive" sense of the word ?
[08:40] <GotD0t> darren: it was a joke...
[08:40] <GotD0t> darren: and a poor one at that
[08:40] <jcoventry> GotD0t, I got an error when trying the sudo
[08:41] <ogra> :)
[08:41] <darren> heh
[08:41] <GotD0t> jcoventry: what does it wasy
[08:41] <GotD0t> err
[08:41] <GotD0t> jcoventry: what does it say
[08:41] <mauriz> hi
[08:41] <GotD0t> hellow mauriz
[08:41] <jcoventry> hold on
[08:41] <gson> nobody that plays wow in ubuntu?:)
[08:42] <mauriz> do ubuntu mount automatically external hard disk drives?
[08:42] <jcoventry> it says
[08:42] <jcoventry> cannot execute binary file
[08:42] <ogra> jcoventry:
[08:42] <ogra> mauriz: yep
[08:42] <mauriz> ogra, hum...it means I have a pb
[08:42] <GotD0t> ogra you sure?
[08:42] <ogra> mauriz: usb ?
[08:42] <d0gmaz> someone uses the cedega transgaming?
[08:42] <mauriz> ogra, firewire
[08:43] <ogra> mauriz: should get mounted...
[08:43] <ogra> mauriz: tried plugging out and in ?
[08:43] <jcoventry> ogra, finish.
[08:43] <jcoventry> :P
[08:43] <mauriz> ogra, just tried: nothing happen
[08:43] <GotD0t> jcoventry: show me the exact command you're typing
[08:43] <ogra> jcoventry: thats all ?
[08:44] <jcoventry> sudo -s nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:44] <d0gmaz> jcoventry, you got the discs burned?
[08:44] <ogra> mauriz: look in Computer->Desktop settings->Removable Media
[08:44] <jcoventry> yes d0gmaz
[08:44] <GotD0t> jcoventry: did you try removing the -s
[08:44] <jcoventry> but trying to install VLC right now.
[08:44] <jcoventry> no, i didn't.
[08:45] <jcoventry> worked.
[08:45] <GotD0t> sudo -s is comparable with su - i believe
[08:45] <mauriz> ogra, everything is checked, nothing happen :/
[08:45] <GotD0t> use sudo when running ONE command as the super user
[08:46] <slysy81> can someone tell me why I get this when I try an xstart? The following is the message I get if I try a startx command:
[08:46] <slysy81> [img] http://www.powersweb.co.uk/ubuntu_error.jpg[/img] 
[08:46] <ogra> mauriz: could you open Computer->Desktop ?
[08:47] <johnny66> GotDot;it booted well from my sons box but does not want to boot on mine
[08:47] <mauriz> ogra, yes
[08:47] <ogra> mauriz: is it shown there ?
[08:47] <mauriz> ogra, nope
[08:48] <ogra> mauriz: smoetimes the Desktop doesnt get updated proper....
[08:48] <GotD0t> slysy81: were you editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?
[08:48] <ogra> mauriz: what gives: mount  .... in a terminl
[08:48] <ogra> +a
[08:49] <GotD0t> johnny66: you said yours was an amd... is it perchance the amd 64?
[08:49] <slysy81> I ran xf86config but got the same problem before I did that
[08:49] <mauriz> ogra, hum only mount? (i'm a linux newbie)
[08:49] <johnny66> how can i find out if its 64
[08:49] <ogra> slysy81: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:49] <GotD0t> johnny66: you would know if it was 64
[08:49] <slysy81> I just cant seem to get it into graphical mode at all
[08:50] <johnny66> hold on
[08:50] <GotD0t> slysy81: thats becase you don't have any screens configured
[08:50] <ogra> mauriz: mount without args shows all munted disks
[08:50] <bogl> ogra: thanks for the monitor help.  15in backup now working a treat.  Much obliged!
[08:50] <ogra> :)
[08:50] <mauriz> ogra, my disk doesn't show
[08:50] <GotD0t> slysy81: are you using a CRT?
[08:51] <slysy81> ITs a TFT connected via DVI
[08:51] <ogra> mauriz: look if it is shown in your device manager
[08:51] <slysy81> The liveCD boots ok!
[08:51] <GotD0t> slysy81: ok thats what i thought... because i didnt see any refresh lines on that photo you took
[08:51] <slysy81> Just not the install
[08:52] <jcoventry> now that i've done the sudo part...
[08:52] <GotD0t> jcoventry: hehe
[08:52] <jcoventry> i'm having a problem with the apt-get command
[08:52] <GotD0t> jcoventry: whats going on
[08:52] <jcoventry> i've put the two lines in and pressed enter and nothing happens
[08:52] <mauriz> ogra, yes it does, attached to firewire controler
[08:52] <johnny66> its an amd athlon MP 1.47 GHZ proc.platform :socket A(462PIN opga PACKAGE) FAMILY:6 MODEL:6 STEPPING:2
[08:53] <ogra> mauriz: does it have a /dev/sdX entry in the advanced tab ?
[08:53] <jcoventry> # apt-get update
[08:53] <jcoventry> # apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[08:53] <GotD0t> jcoventry: what happens?
[08:53] <kaiser-> hum when i try to configure mplayer i get Error: help/help_mp-en.h not found
[08:53] <jcoventry> nothing!
[08:53] <jcoventry> it just sits there
[08:53] <slysy81> Im going to try the command ogra suggested, anything else worth trying at the same time?
[08:53] <jcoventry> :P
[08:53] <mauriz> ogra, no
[08:53] <ogra> kaiser-: why dont you use the package ?
[08:53] <skullbocks> does any body have an idea why i can't use cout in my program ?
[08:53] <ogra> mauriz: try in a terminal: sudo modprobe sg
[08:54] <mauriz> ogra, I mounted /dev/sda1 and I can access my files
[08:54] <kaiser-> ogra,, now i dont get it... use what how ?
[08:54] <Nivlem> How do I get my firewire drive to mount read/write instead of just mounting readonly?
[08:54] <ogra> kaiser-: the mplayer package
[08:54] <jcoventry> GotD0t, got any ideas?
[08:54] <GotD0t> Nivlem: what type of filesystem is on your drive
[08:54] <GotD0t> jcoventry: one sec
[08:54] <slysy81> ok I will try it and let you know how it goes, thanks
[08:54] <Nivlem> GotD0t: hfsplus
[08:55] <jcoventry> ok.
[08:55] <GotD0t> jcoventry: were you using sudo
[08:55] <jcoventry> yes
[08:55] <kaiser-> ogra, i try to install it by ./configure --enable-gui
[08:55] <johnny66> power management contro;current c2 divisor:64
[08:55] <johnny66> default c2 divisor:64
[08:55] <melazyboy> wow gtkpod pretty l33t
[08:55] <melazyboy> one of the first gui programs that i feel is better than the windows alternatives
[08:55] <ogra> kaiser-: the marillat package is compiled with gui support.... why do you compile it yourself ?
[08:56] <GotD0t> jcoventry: so you do sudo apt-get install gnome-vlc libdvdcss2
[08:56] <kaiser-> marillat ?
[08:56] <jcoventry> no
[08:56] <zig`zag> wow this channel is a lot bigger than i thought it would be
[08:56] <jcoventry> without the sudo part there
[08:56] <ogra> kaiser-: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:56] <kaiser-> k
[08:56] <GotD0t> jcoventry: but you used sudo -s before?
[08:57] <ogra> kaiser-: add the marillat repository to synaptic....
[08:57] <jcoventry> hold on
[08:58] <Bliksem> does ubuntu have a bootsplash?
[08:58] <ogra> Bliksem: not yet
[08:58] <Bliksem> I undertood there would be one
[08:58] <GotD0t> x-chat is retarded... it doesn't use the commands i set for firefox when opening links
[08:58] <jcoventry> ok i did that commmand you said there
[08:58] <jcoventry> and now it says it cant find the package gnome-vlc
[08:58] <GotD0t> Bliksem: its going to be in hoary from what i understand
[08:58] <Bliksem> ah
[08:58] <mauriz> ogra, no idea why it doesn't automount?
[08:59] <ogra>  Bliksem: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[08:59] <GotD0t> jcoventry: then they're prob in universe or multiverse.... which means you have to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <jcoventry> i did that!
[08:59] <ogra> mauriz: have you loaded the sg module ?
[08:59] <jcoventry> thats what the sudo was for, before.
[08:59] <Aktarus_> hello, i need help with installation, can somebody help me please?
[08:59] <mauriz> ogra, sg module?
 mauriz: try in a terminal: sudo modprobe sg
[08:59] <GotD0t> jcoventry: oh right... haha sorry, did you do sudo apt-get update?
[08:59] <Nivlem> I have the same problem with my external firewire drive...I have to unplug the power the plug back in...it does not automount on boot
[08:59] <NewComer> no rar in restricted?
[09:00] <jcoventry> no, sudo apt-get install
[09:00] <ogra> mauriz: unmount it and plug out/in
[09:00] <GotD0t> jcoventry: no i mean before you did the install
[09:00] <FSK405C> what gives
[09:00] <mauriz> ogra, still nothing happen :/
[09:00] <jcoventry> no, i didn't.
[09:01] <FSK405C> the air force uses microsoft to avoid costs associated with security updates?
[09:01] <GotD0t> jcoventry: do that
[09:01] <FSK405C> anybody else see a problem with that?
[09:01] <ogra> mauriz: hmm, no idea...
[09:01] <GotD0t> FSK405C: i do
[09:01] <jcoventry> ok
[09:01] <jcoventry> error
[09:01] <jcoventry> it says unable to lock the administration directory, are you in root?
[09:01] <FSK405C> gotd0t: I'm glad I'm not the only one.
[09:01] <mauriz> ogra, ok, thx :)
[09:01] <GotD0t> jcoventry: you wouldn't happen to have synaptic open... would you?
[09:02] <FSK405C> Now here's a question ... whereabouts in the tree does alsaconfig sit?
[09:02] <ogra> nowhere
[09:02] <jesse_132> I installed mysql server & webmin ...  but when I try to use mysql I get "Failed to ... (create database/access database) : DBI connect failed : Access denied for user: '@localhost' to database mysql
[09:02] <jcoventry> i dont have synaptic
[09:03] <FSK405C> nowhere?
[09:03] <GotD0t> jcoventry: hmm
[09:03] <ogra> nowhere
[09:03] <slysy81> That sorted it ogra, thank you very much!
[09:03] <GotD0t> jcoventry: do ps aux and look for something along the lines of apt
[09:03] <ogra> :)
[09:03] <slysy81> Ive spent days fiddling about trying to get it to work, really appreciate it
[09:04] <Aktarus_> during the installation from the install-cd (i386), when I must partition the HD, it sees the partitions correctly but there is an error when the system triesto format or to mount them, and I noticed that on the devfs filesytem, for that hard disk are present only the "disc" and "part1" devices, while the other partiton not. I tried to make "part2", "part3" and "part4" with mknod but the system can't use these partition anyway.
[09:07] <jcoventry> woops, i do have Synaptic.
[09:07] <GotD0t> jcoventry: haha...
[09:07] <GotD0t> jcoventry: is it running?
[09:08] <jcoventry> yes, it is now.
[09:08] <GotD0t> jcoventry: the point was to make sure it is not running
[09:08] <GotD0t> jcoventry: haha
[09:08] <jcoventry> rofl ok
[09:08] <GotD0t> jcoventry: exit it and try and run the command again
[09:09] <jcoventry> ok but doesn't this thing make it easier to install apps?
[09:09] <GotD0t> jcoventry: yea... but i figured since you weren't using it that you liked the command line
[09:09] <lupus_> to bad gimp 2.2 isn't in hoary :(
[09:09] <jind-lap> Hi folks, I was just wondering: What is the name of the wifi applet in gnome?
[09:09] <GotD0t> jcoventry: some people are just weird like that (take me for example)
[09:09] <johnny66> i get this on boot mp bios bug 8254 timer not connected
[09:10] <jesse_132> 2.2 is out?
[09:10] <Exasparilla> Does x.org work well enough in Hoary for me to install it on my fiance's computer? (She has an nvidia card)
[09:10] <jcoventry> gotdot, i'd rather use synaptic.
[09:10] <jcoventry> not quite sure how it works though.
[09:10] <GotD0t> jcoventry:  then search for what you're looking for
[09:10] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: i would suggest otherwise
[09:10] <lupus_> jesse_132, no is pre
[09:11] <jesse_132> lupus_, ahh... cool still
[09:11] <Exasparilla> GotD0t: stick with xfree?
[09:11] <jind-lap> I used ubuntu before, and there was a very nice wifi applet and battery applet, and I want to have that here - but since I am using another distro right now I don't have it preinstalled
[09:11] <Exasparilla> and warty?
[09:11] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: yea
[09:11] <Exasparilla> GotD0t: thx
[09:11] <Exasparilla> I thought I could cure her of her mac envy
[09:12] <Exasparilla> (shadows and all that)
[09:12] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: oh... hehe
[09:12] <ogra_dinner> Exasparilla: in april ;)
[09:12] <Exasparilla> yeah
[09:12] <jcoventry> the search doesn't return any results.
[09:12] <GotD0t> jcoventry: make sure you click update
[09:13] <jcoventry> i dont see an update button/option
[09:13] <GotD0t> Exasparilla: except for the small fact that every thing in the gui for mac osx is 3d textured
[09:13] <GotD0t> jcoventry: sorry... reload
[09:13] <lupus_> I have read that someone is packaging the recent wine what is cool :)
[09:13] <ogra_dinner> jcoventry: refresh
[09:15] <Exasparilla> GotD0t: As long as it looks pretty, it'd be ok.  There are lots of nice gnome themes.
[09:15] <jcoventry> i must be missing something!
[09:15] <Telep> I guess there's no way to get three adjacent panes in Evolution?
[09:15] <GotD0t> jcoventry: there is a button that says reload in the top left corner with two green arrows
[09:16] <jcoventry> i dont have the toolbar....
[09:16] <jcoventry> ah did it via menu.
[09:16] <jcoventry> there we go
[09:16] <GotD0t> to get the toolbar go to settings > toolbar
[09:17] <GotD0t> im really tempted to nuke my windows partition all together
[09:18] <deang> Odd problem:  My uppercase b and question mark key do not work.
[09:18] <GotD0t> deang: thats very interesting...
[09:19] <GotD0t> deang: i can understand needed the question mark... but who uses the uppercase B?
[09:19] <zig`zag> i do
[09:19] <ogra_dinner> lol
[09:20] <jcoventry> i search for VLC and i've also tried videolan and VLC media player and it never gets the right thing?
[09:20] <GotD0t> man... you people have no sense of humor
[09:22] <GotD0t> AHH! firefox is really pissing me off
[09:23] <Matt|> is the rss headline feed thing in firefox permanently down now?
[09:24] <grendel> hello to everyone
[09:24] <GotD0t> firefox apparently doesn't like my search choices
[09:24] <GotD0t> as it keeps removing the search engine add-ons that i add
[09:24] <GotD0t> and replacing them with broken ones
[09:24] <grendel> does anyone know why is the ubuntu installation cd failing at copying files from the cd ?
[09:25] <grendel> is this common ?
[09:25] <zig`zag> corrupted cd?
[09:25] <Matt|> grendel, must be a cd failure
[09:25] <GotD0t> grendel: did you check the md5sum of the cd before burning... and what speed did you burn it at
[09:25] <Evgh> hi guys there are ready ltmodem driver for ubuntu kernel? the debian one are only for 686 compiled kernel?
[09:25] <zig`zag> or it could be the drive
[09:25] <grendel> zig`zag, Matt|, but it installed the base system just fine..
[09:25] <Matt|> grendel, might be corrupted cd anyway
[09:25] <grendel> GotD0t, yep..
[09:26] <grendel> Matt|, ok going to burn again.
[09:26] <GotD0t> grendel: you installing apps from the cd?
[09:26] <d0gmaz> how can i backup my whole boot enchilada i have ubuntu installed and have free space where im gonna install windows XP wich is gonna overwrite my mbr so i need to backup and put it back how can i do it?
[09:26] <Evgh> http://www.physcip.uni-stuttgart.de/heby/ltmodem/
[09:26] <ogra_dinner> grendel: burn it slow !
[09:26] <grendel> ogra_dinner, ok.
[09:26] <zig`zag> just update/add packages throgh synaptic if you have the bandwidth
[09:26] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: you should make a boot floppy
[09:27] <d0gmaz> GotD0t, tell me all about it :)
[09:27] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: i dunno how to accomplish said task...
[09:28] <GotD0t> d0gmaz: but there is a way
[09:28] <zig`zag> if you have a live cd you dont really need a boot floppy, you can reinstall grub/lillo through knoppix or the like
[09:28] <GotD0t> true
[09:29] <GotD0t> but boot floppies are safer IMHO
[09:29] <zig`zag> probably
[09:29] <Zugot2> ubuntu linux loads smoothly
[09:29] <Zugot2> i'm impressed
[09:29] <d0gmaz> yes because i dont know a thing about the bootloader and wich mountpoint and kernel stuff i have to know
[09:30] <d0gmaz> i want to backup it
[09:30] <wasabi> um. my ubuntu just "died". =( I can't place it to any change either. X starts, shows the X cursor, does nothing. as soon as I move the mouse, X dies and doesn't come back
[09:31] <Evgh> hi guys there are ready ltmodem driver for ubuntu kernel? the debian one are only for 686 compiled kernel?
[09:31] <jesse_132> anyone running mythtv?
[09:31] <GotD0t> wasabi: your ubuntu didnt die... your x died
[09:31] <wasabi> well yes.
[09:31] <bruceonline> hi, does something like www.cpanel.net exist for ubuntu?
[09:32] <GotD0t> what is cpanel?
[09:33] <wasabi> that's why he pasted the site
[09:33] <bruceonline> its a control panel for webservers
[09:33] <Riddell> bruceonline: try webmin
[09:33] <GotD0t> bruceonline: apparently it does... because im seeing them in my repos
[09:33] <lumpi> spricht hier jemand deutsch?
[09:33] <zig`zag> d0gmaz: nothing to do with the kernel, /etc/fstab has all your mountpoint info - its safe. just make a boot disk/use a livecd after you insall windows and reinstall grub or lillo, they are both good boot managers. they both have FAQs on the net just search google
[09:33] <bruceonline> jup
[09:34] <GotD0t> bruceonline: but im using hoary... so it might not be in the repos for warty
[09:34] <ogra> lumpi: hast du ubuntu-de schon probiert ?
[09:34] <GotD0t> wow... ogra speaks german
[09:34] <bruceonline> nicht nur orga... ;)
[09:34] <d0gmaz> zig`zag, arent there config files like in lilo with the info where the kernel is?
[09:34] <ogra> GotD0t: yep....my mothers tongue :)
[09:35] <lumpi> thx
[09:36] <bruceonline> thx for the infos...
[09:36] <GotD0t> well i live in south florida... where english is a second language
[09:36] <Slackman> heh
[09:36] <ogra> GotD0t: lol
[09:36] <Slackman> much like london :)
[09:36] <Matt|> oy
[09:36] <Matt|> we speak the queens english here
[09:36] <zig`zag> dog: the kernel and everything should be in /boot, if your using warty it will be something like /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.x
[09:37] <Slackman> Matt|, just not most of london :)
[09:37] <GotD0t> im bored
[09:37] <Slackman> Matt|, when i landed I thought i'd come to the wrong country =)
[09:37] <ogra> d0gmaz: the equivalent to lilo.conf is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:37] <Matt|> bah not true
[09:37] <zig`zag> dog: i use grub and you just specify that info when installing grub, not through a config file, if i remeber correctly
[09:38] <Matt|> Slackman, our multiculturalism is a strength :)
[09:38] <Matt|> but everyone speaks english...
[09:38] <Slackman> Matt|, i didn't say it wasn't :) i'm just saying enlish is a second language to most of london
[09:39] <Matt|> hmm
[09:39] <ogra> GotD0t: against the boredom: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/9804.0/0930.html
[09:39] <Matt|> not sure
[09:39] <d0gmaz> zig`zag, i dont use lilo i use grub but im new to linux so i need to know exactly before im prompted for the kernel name and dir
[09:39] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:39] <Nivlem> How does one get Ubuntu to mount hfsplus filesystem read/write...the info at sourceforge only have information about a patch for 2.4 kernels.
[09:39] <Aktarus_> grazie! :)
[09:40] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:40] <zig`zag> if english is a second langauage to most in london, whats the first?
[09:40] <Matt|> zig`zag, he means most people have a different first language
[09:40] <ogra> zig`zag: probably something arabospanishchinese ?
[09:40] <Matt|> Aktarus_, want me to copy and paste?
[09:40] <Slackman> zig`zag, not all the same first language...
[09:40] <Aktarus_> english a second language in london? sounds fun...
[09:41] <Slackman> zig`zag, its not strictly true.. =)
[09:41] <Matt|> Slackman, whereabouts were you staying?
[09:41] <zig`zag> yeah, i phrased that wrong i think... makes sense all the immigrants arn't coming from the same country
[09:41] <Slackman> Matt|, up in Tunbridge wells atm....tis very nice....very cold though
[09:41] <d0gmaz> is there something nicer than xpdf its horrible
[09:41] <Slackman> d0gmaz, gpdf
[09:42] <Matt|> Slackman, ah nice
[09:42] <zig`zag> xpdf isnt horrible, lol
[09:42] <bruceonline> what antivirus scanner is good for ubuntu to check mails ?
[09:42] <Matt|> omg
[09:42] <ogra> Slackman: not on warty.....(read it doesnt work)
[09:42] <Matt|> bruceonline, not needed
[09:42] <RubenV> bruceonline: it's linux
[09:42] <Slackman> Matt|, where abouts are you?
[09:42] <Aktarus_> during the installation from the install-cd (i386), when I must partition the HD, it sees the partitions correctly but there is an error when the system triesto format or to mount them, and I noticed that on the devfs filesytem, for that hard disk are present only the "disc" and "part1" devices, while the other partiton not. I tried to make "part2", "part3" and "part4" with mknod but the system can't use these partition anyway.
[09:42] <RubenV> forget about virusses :)
[09:42] <Matt|> Slackman, docklands
[09:42] <Matt|> east london
[09:42] <bruceonline> Hm i want to make a mailserver for windows clients... and
[09:42] <GotD0t> bruceonline: unless you want to make sure you're sending them to your windows buddies
[09:42] <bruceonline> ...
[09:42] <ogra> bruceonline: look for aegis at gnomefiles.org
[09:42] <Slackman> Matt|, ah nice...i went for an interview there...its very nice
[09:42] <Slackman> Matt|, very expensive too
[09:42] <Matt|> pretty nice
[09:43] <Matt|> nah
[09:43] <ogra> bruceonline: for servers clamav
[09:43] <Matt|> i'm very east ;)
[09:43] <Matt|> Slackman, where i am is quite comfy but very souless
[09:43] <Slackman> Matt|, souless?
[09:43] <iva> hey s0cks
[09:43] <Matt|> when my brother visited he called it a barren wasteland
[09:44] <Matt|> Slackman, not much to do ;)
[09:44] <Aktarus_> during the installation from the install-cd (i386), when I must partition the HD, it sees the partitions correctly but there is an error when the system tries to format or to mount them, and I noticed that on the devfs filesytem, for that hard disk are present only the "disc" and "part1" devices, while the other partitons not. I tried to make "part2", "part3" and "part4" with mknod but the system can't use these partitions anyway.
[09:44] <Matt|> *laughs*
[09:44] <Slackman> heh, can't you take the DLR to somewhere interesting though?
[09:44] <Matt|> someone help hiM!
[09:44] <bruceonline> thx for infos... ;)
[09:45] <Matt|> someone help Aktarus_
[09:45] <s0cks> Hey iva.
[09:45] <Slackman> i kinda wish i was in london now...Tunbridge Wells has nothing...
[09:45] <Matt|> Slackman, yeah canary wharf isn't too far
[09:47] <xukun> Aktarus_: how big is hdd?
[09:47] <Aktarus_> 80gb
[09:47] <Matt|> his first partition is nfts
[09:47] <Matt|> ntfs
[09:47] <Aktarus_> maxtor ultradma 133
[09:47] <Aktarus_> yes
[09:47] <Nivlem> Does Ubuntu use LVM to detect drives and the appropriate filesystem?
[09:48] <Aktarus_> and kernel 2.4 sees all correctly (on gentoo 2004.3)
[09:48] <Aktarus_> no
[09:48] <Zugot2> p3/500 with 128MB is not enough for ubuntu and gnome
[09:48] <Aktarus_> no LVM, normal way only
[09:48] <Zugot2> this thing is slow...
[09:48] <ogra> Zugot2: add some mem.....
[09:48] <Matt|> Zugot2, ^^
[09:49] <xukun> Aktarus_: I had similar problem, and it only partioned after I let it auto partition
[09:49] <Matt|> aha
[09:49] <d0gmaz> how can i see where grub is installed on the mbr or partition?
[09:49] <Matt|> d0gmaz, you got a separate partition for /boot?
[09:49] <Nivlem> Aktarus: Are you typing at me? I am trying to figure out what mounts my firewire drive with HFSPLUS when I unplug/replug it in? That way I can try and determine how(if it is possible) to mount the partitions read/write
[09:49] <Aktarus_> but with auto partition does it erese all data on the hd?
[09:49] <Matt|> Aktarus_, yeah
[09:50] <Matt|> :(
[09:50] <Matt|> bye bye windows...
[09:50] <ViN86> hello
[09:50] <ViN86> im tryin out ubuntu
[09:50] <ViN86> on a live cd
[09:50] <Matt|> hi
[09:50] <ViN86> and i want to try to get my wireless workin
[09:50] <Slackman> hmm i know that LVM is Logical Volume Manager but what does it actually do?
[09:50] <ViN86> cept, i cant. heh
[09:50] <Aktarus_> Nivle: no, sorry.. :)
[09:50] <Nivlem> Aktaru: Ok sorry...I just saw you mention LVM
[09:51] <ViN86> any specific module i need to load?
[09:51] <xukun> Aktarus_: hmm, I think its possible to auto partion only the partition you want to use, but not sure
[09:51] <osiris_22> ok
[09:51] <Matt|> ViN86, the module for your wifi card. But you will also probably need the firmware. Don't know how you could do that with a live cd
[09:51] <Aktarus_> nivlem: yes, it's a big mess in this channell...
[09:51] <osiris_22> can someone tell me the command to mount my ntfs partition on hda1?
[09:51] <Matt|> Aktarus_, how big is your ntfs partition?
[09:52] <ViN86> Matt|: :o dang.  my gigabit works nicely, just wanted to see how wireless worked
[09:52] <ViN86> this is a laptop, and i need wireless at school, heh
[09:52] <Aktarus_> matt|: 52GB
[09:52] <Matt|> ViN86, well it will work with the installed version, because then you can copy the firmware to the harddisk
[09:52] <Matt|> Aktarus_, maybe if you made that smaller
[09:52] <Matt|> Aktarus_, like 48 gigs smaller
[09:52] <xukun> ViN86: which card?
[09:52] <susanne1729> HI all
[09:52] <ViN86> eh, one sec, ill get info
[09:53] <Matt|> i'm off
[09:53] <Aktarus_> Matt|: maybe, but the strange thing is that the old kernel 2.4 sees al correctly...
[09:53] <ogra> hi
[09:53] <Matt|> bye all
[09:53] <ogra> bye
[09:53] <Matt|> Aktarus_, good luck mate
[09:53] <ViN86> device manager says, Atheros Communications Inc 802.11abg NIC
[09:53] <xukun> Aktarus_: that is very strange!
[09:53] <osiris_22> no one knows how i can moutn my ntfs partition
[09:53] <osiris_22> come on some one.
[09:54] <ViN86> AR5212 802.11abg NIC
[09:54] <susanne1729> Can sb. help me? whenever I want to compile a c++ prog, it get: gcc: installation problem, cannot exec `cc1plus': File or Directory not found
[09:54] <Aktarus_> xukun: yes I know
[09:54] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Yes I can help
[09:54] <osiris_22> thanks nivlem
[09:54] <ogra> susanne1729: install build-essential
[09:54] <osiris_22> what do i gotta do to mount it?
[09:54] <ViN86> osiris_22: i only know slackware procedures at the moment, heh
[09:54] <siretart> susanne1729: apt-get install build-essential
[09:54] <zig`zag> osi: mount -t ntfs /dev/patition /mnt/point
[09:54] <zig`zag> something like that
[09:54] <Aktarus_> xukun: I also tried to post my problem on usenet, maybe somone will answer me the solution... :)
[09:54] <Pluk> hi all
[09:54] <Nivlem> osiris_22: This is the command line way... mount -tntfs /dev/hdaX /media/<your directory>
[09:54] <xukun> Aktarus_: try partioning your hdd with other os like knoppix
[09:55] <zig`zag> osi: "man mount"
[09:55] <zig`zag> oh that sounds dirty
[09:55] <ViN86> lmao
[09:55] <osiris_22> umm i dont understad what my directory is?
[09:55] <xukun> Aktarus_: I think that would be a bad I idea!
[09:55] <Nivlem> osiris_22: I don't know for sure on the newer kernels if the ability to write to ntfs is enabled...it was necessary to compile the kernel if you wanted to write and read..otherwise it defaults to just read access
[09:56] <Aktarus_> xukun: I tried to partition and format all from the gentoo live cd 2004.3: I've done that correctly, but then the ubuntu installation program DOESN'T SEE the partitons!!!
[09:56] <xukun> Aktarus_: I think that would be not a bad I idea!
[09:56] <osiris_22> nivlem
[09:56] <osiris_22> whayt is your directory
[09:56] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Wait one..
[09:57] <Aktarus_> xukun: do you refer to the idea of posting on usenet?
[09:57] <xukun> Aktarus_: do you have any ata or some strange other drives in your system?
[09:57] <d0gmaz> can i install windows xp (wich overwrites my mbr) pop in my ubuntu cd start it with expert and reinstall grub?
[09:57] <xukun> Aktarus_: no
[09:57] <zig`zag> nick Pork
[09:57] <Zugot2> what vpn software comes with ubuntu?
[09:57] <Aktarus_> xukun: I have another HD on the same ide channel, and on the other ide channel i've got a cd-rw and a dvd-ram
[09:58] <Zugot2> freeswan?   openvpn?
[09:58] <xukun> Aktarus_: I mean the idea of using other live cd like knoppix
[09:58] <Aktarus_> xukun: oh, ok. but why? I uset the gentto live cd succesfully!! :)
[09:58] <ogra> Aktarus_: what is set in your BIOS ? try playing with the LBA option.....i ve seen this work
[09:59] <grendel> so dudes, how's the package support for Ubuntu ?
[09:59] <xukun> Aktarus_: ogra has a good point!
[09:59] <Aktarus_> ogra: ok, I'll try!! Thanks!! :)
[10:00] <grendel> I have been using debian for a long time....and I'm considering to move to Ubuntu...
[10:00] <xukun> Aktarus_: I would realy also try the knoppix cd
[10:00] <osiris_22> dude there no dierectery in media that i can put in
[10:00] <grendel> and the package support for debian is really good.
[10:00] <osiris_22> it dont even make sence to jme
[10:00] <Aktarus_> xukun: ok, I'ltry also with knoppix!! :)
[10:00] <xukun> Aktarus_: good luck man
[10:01] <Aktarus_> xukun: thank you!!
[10:01] <Aktarus_> now I've got to rebbot to try in these ways...
[10:01] <xukun> grendel: ubuntu is supper
[10:01] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Sorry had to do something...you need to create a directory under /media that will be the mount point for the filesystem
[10:01] <ogra> Aktarus_: good luck ;)
[10:01] <Aktarus_> thank you all and good bye!! :(
[10:01] <xukun> bye
[10:01] <Aktarus_> thank you all and good bye!! :)
[10:02] <grendel> xukun, are there w32codecs in Ubuntu ?
[10:02] <Nivlem> osiris_22: You would do this with this command... sudo mkdir /media/ntfs(if you want the directory to be called ntfs)...
[10:02] <ogra> grendel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:03] <grendel>  ogra, thanks
[10:03] <Nivlem> osiris_22: Then you would issue the mount command I gave you earlier ;-)
[10:03] <osiris_22> 'ok nivlem when i try to do it.. it tells me conotents cant be displayed
[10:03] <ogra> grendel: you need marillat :)
[10:04] <Nivlem> osiris_22: What command did you issue?
[10:04] <grendel> ogra, heheh it works the same way in debian... yep that is the apt source I use...
[10:04] <ogra> GotD0t: hahahaha
[10:04] <grendel> ogra, that is great... does debian apt sources work on ubuntu or are they completly diffenrent ?
[10:05] <ogra> grendel: normal debian apt-sources will bring up conflicts...
[10:05] <ogra> grendel: but marillat testing is fine with warty
[10:05] <Nivlem> osiris_22: What command did you issue to get the "contents can't be displayed"?
[10:05] <grendel> ogra, ohh ok... cool...
[10:06] <grendel> ogra, thanks
[10:06] <ogra> GotD0t: hehe... reinstall ....
[10:06] <GotD0t> ogra: im not that desparate
[10:06] <ogra> lol
[10:07] <GotD0t> of course the irony is that i switched to hoary because my friend told me about the updated drivers
[10:08] <bruceonline> Where can i get a good lamp tutorial?
[10:08] <ogra> GotD0t: they are updated ;) just not the binary ones *g*
[10:08] <GotD0t> that and i was missing regular crashes in windows... so i figured if i switch to a dev release i'd get some crashes
[10:09] <Slackman> bruceonline, lamphp or lampearl?
[10:09] <bruceonline> lamphp
[10:10] <Slackman> bruceonline, php.net...i'd recommend using apache 2 but use MPM=prefork
[10:10] <Slackman> when your compiling
[10:11] <Hikaru79> Can someone look at this URL and tell me if they're able to connect: ftp://24.57.4.59
[10:11] <xukun> what is the reason that cdrecord --scanbus does not show my burner in ubuntu?
[10:12] <e6> Hello
[10:12] <bruceonline> @Slackman thx
[10:12] <Slackman> np
[10:12] <e6> Looking for help with a Supramax (2920) winmodem on ubuntu
[10:12] <ender__> Hikaru79: An error occurred while loading ftp://24.57.4.59:
[10:12] <ender__> Could not connect to host 24.57.4.59
[10:13] <sfvg> anyone using realplayer
[10:13] <e6> #help
[10:13] <Hikaru79> =/ I see
[10:13] <Hikaru79> ender__, ever used vsftpd?
[10:13] <ogra> GotD0t: oh, btw: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-November/013184.html
[10:13] <loevborg_> xukun, cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI maybe?
[10:13] <ender__> yes
[10:13] <Slackman> vsftpd is quite good
[10:13] <dher> hmm, any php4 imap package available?
[10:14] <Hikaru79> =O Could you perhaps give me a hand>?
[10:14] <Hikaru79> See, I can't connect remotely, as you just confirmed
[10:14] <ender__> of course what's up?
[10:14] <Hikaru79> But I *can* connect locally
[10:14] <Hikaru79> At ftp://192.168.1.15
[10:14] <Hikaru79> Which is it's local IP
[10:14] <e6> Thats because the config of the ftp server
[10:14] <Hikaru79> That works fine... from outside the network though, nothing >>
[10:14] <Hikaru79> Thought so
[10:14] <Hikaru79> But I've been messing with it for days
[10:14] <GotD0t> ogra: i saw that
[10:14] <Hikaru79> And no progress
[10:15] <ender__> the ip you gave is internal and means you have opened your firewall for the port and done the right forward isn't it?
[10:15] <Hikaru79> I have no firewall. But I've forwarded ports 20-23 and 77
[10:15] <Zugot2> wow... toshiba notebook memory is damn expensive
[10:15] <Hikaru79> Since all of those seem to be mentioned at some point in the conf file
[10:16] <e6> Could anybody tell me where to look for drivers on Winmodem SupraMax USB 2920
[10:16] <ender__> to xxx.xxx.1.15
[10:16] <ogra> Hikaru79: for web you need port 80
[10:16] <ender__> let me look to my vsftpd.conf to sec
[10:16] <Zugot2> i might just be keeping this notebook at 128MB for a while
[10:16] <xukun> loevborg_: cdrecord --scanbus dev=ATAPI doesnt show anything
[10:17] <loevborg_> xukun, that is indeed strange. 1) run it as root, 2) check your /var/log/messages
[10:17] <xukun> loevborg_: burning in nautilus is no problem, work fine
[10:18] <ogra> xukun: simply burn with cdrecord dev=/dev/hdX where X is the device letter
[10:18] <Hikaru79> ogra, I forwarded 80 too, but my Apache server works fine, so I didn't list that one.
[10:18] <Hikaru79> Just my vsftpd with problems
[10:20] <xukun> ogra: maybe stupid thing to ask, but how can I find which hdx its?
[10:20] <ogra> Hikaru79: i missed the ftp://
[10:20] <ogra> Hikaru79: sorry
[10:20] <ogra> xukun: device-manager ?
[10:20] <jnk_> hi
[10:20] <ogra> xukun: in the advanced tab
[10:20] <jnk_> is it possible to have emacs keybindings in gedit ?
[10:20] <AElfwine> hey
[10:21] <AElfwine> does anybody have already had problems with nvidia driver ?
[10:21] <xukun> ogra: thanks
[10:21] <ogra> AElfwine: did you use the ubuntu package ?
[10:21] <RubenV> jnk_: why not use emacs then?
[10:22] <ender__> Hikaru79: do you have a own compiled kernel?
[10:22] <jnk_> RubenV: well key-bindings are not the only thing criterium to consider in an editor :)
[10:23] <RubenV> gedit is nice for simple text stuff
[10:23] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:23] <AElfwine> ogra : i have doin a #sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:23] <RubenV> but for though work
[10:23] <RubenV> rather not :)
[10:23] <AElfwine> and followed the instructions
[10:23] <ogra> AElfwine: did you run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable ?
[10:23] <AElfwine> ogra : yes
[10:23] <jnk_> RubenV: yep! but even for simple stuff I like to have emacs keybindings...
[10:23] <ogra> AElfwine: on warty ?
[10:23] <ender__> Hikaru79: you don't have a firewall but nmap shows nothing on the IP you gave.
[10:23] <CraHan> hmm emacs... guess I'll have to take a chance and learn how to use that someday
[10:24] <AElfwine> ogra : of course
[10:24] <RubenV> CraHan: vim!
[10:24] <CraHan> uh oh
[10:24] <ogra> AElfwine: so what is the error ?
[10:24] <AElfwine> ogra : and also removed lines Load "dri" and Load "GLcore" in XF86Config-4
[10:24] <confrey> Ihave just installed ubuntu, but : how can I play mp3?
[10:24] <CraHan> it's ok RubenV, no harm done, I didn't say antything
[10:24] <RubenV> :D
[10:24] <RubenV> just a matter of personal taste anyway
[10:25] <RubenV> but if you gotta learn one
[10:25] <RubenV> take vim ;)
[10:25] <ogra> AElfwine: and what error do you have ?
[10:25] <AElfwine> ogra : the pb is the X server start correctly, a nvidia screens appear but X crashes just after with eror message type 11 ...
[10:25] <CraHan> I've been playing with vim a bit
[10:25] <melazyboy> isn't -s 9 the highest precedent for a kill signal you can send?
[10:25] <CraHan> I'm starting to get the hang of it
[10:25] <CraHan> 9 is kill
[10:25] <CraHan> it's a license to kill :)
[10:25] <CraHan> you can't be anymore insistent :)
[10:26] <confrey> Ihave just installed ubuntu, but : how can I play mp3?
[10:26] <RubenV> CraHan: use the vimtutor
[10:26] <melazyboy> nevermind i figured it out, was wondering why a set of processes woulden't die, they are zombied and dead
[10:26] <CraHan> afaik there's TERM (which asks nicely), and then there's kill
[10:26] <CraHan> RubenV: ah ok, I'll give that a go
[10:26] <RubenV> CraHan: there's a whole motherload of signals
[10:26] <RubenV> but term and kill are the ones that eliminate
[10:27] <RubenV> man signal for more details
[10:27] <CraHan> RubenV: yeah I know, but afaik kill is the most drastic you can send a process
[10:27] <RubenV> true
[10:27] <melazyboy> CraHan: Term is -s 5 right?
[10:27] <RubenV> or, you could ofcourse power off the box
[10:27] <CraHan> no idea, I use kill -TERM for that
[10:27] <RubenV> that's even more drastic
[10:27] <RubenV> term is default, afaik
[10:27] <warty> my web pages are taking a long time to come up,i guess ipv6 is configured by default on ubantu
[10:27] <CraHan> RubenV: no, yanking out the powercable is even more drastic :)
[10:27] <ender__> Hikaru79: here it is: https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/enterprise/RHEL-3-Manual/ref-guide/s1-ftp-vsftpd-conf.html
[10:27] <RubenV> kill <pid> equals sending sigterm
[10:28] <warty> do i have to disable ipv6
[10:28] <melazyboy> whats the difference between SIGKILL and KILL?
[10:28] <RubenV> it's the same
[10:28] <RubenV> -9 -KILL or -SIGKILL are equivalent
[10:28] <melazyboy> then why is there -SIGKILL and -KILL
[10:29] <melazyboy> seems silly
[10:29] <melazyboy> what does HUP do?
[10:29] <AElfwine> ogra : ?
[10:29] <RubenV> hup is mostly a restart signal
[10:29] <RubenV> man signal :)
[10:29] <ogra> AElfwine: hmm, no idea
[10:29] <d-b_> HOw will I find out the instalation details of a package?
[10:29] <warty> does apt-get work with ubantu
[10:29] <CraHan> warty: yes it does
[10:30] <warty> & about the ipv6 do i have to disable it
[10:30] <xukun> AElfwine: what does log say
[10:30] <ogra> AElfwine: anyhow it doen not look driver related....what kind of HW do you have ?
[10:30] <ogra> does
[10:30] <CraHan> warty: I'd leave it as is, at least, I haven't disabled anything ipv6 related myself
[10:30] <AElfwine> ogra : Nvidia Geforce FX 5700
[10:30] <AElfwine> xukun : wait 2 sec
[10:30] <ogra> AElfwine: i mean the rest ;)
[10:31] <AElfwine> lol
[10:31] <warty> yeah,but web pages take a long time to load on a adsl connection
[10:32] <ogra> warty: look in the about:config url and search for v6 ...try if it is better if you disable it in firefox
[10:32] <AElfwine> ogra : portable computer (or laptop ? - sorry I'm french) : Athlon 64 3000 + , Nvidia Geforce FX 5700 @64Mo, HD 60 Go , wifi g, network interface ...
[10:33] <ogra> AElfwine: ah, athlon 64
[10:33] <ogra> AElfwine: that may be the prob....
[10:33] <AElfwine> ogra : ... :(
[10:33] <AElfwine> ogra : no driver for this architecture ?
[10:33] <warty> can i save files on a live cd
[10:33] <ogra> AElfwine: i am not sure if the nvidia-glx drivers work with 64bit
[10:34] <warty> i had a problem on my nvidia vard
[10:34] <ogra> AElfwine: does nvidia provide them at all ?
[10:34] <AElfwine> ogra : there is just ine file to dowload on the nvidia site ..
[10:35] <ogra> AElfwine: does it indicate the arch anywhere ?
[10:35] <Hikaru79> ender__, will that link's instructions still apply to Ubuntu?
[10:36] <AElfwine> ogra : i mean : there is inly one for AMD64 ...
[10:36] <AElfwine> ogra : so I suppod
[10:36] <AElfwine> s$
[10:36] <AElfwine> oups
[10:36] <AElfwine> ogra : so i suppose it would work fine ..
[10:36] <Pluk> nvidia drivers for amd64 work ok
[10:37] <xukun> AElfwine: are u using the 64 or 32 kernel?
[10:37] <ogra> AElfwine: hmm, so they should be right...
[10:37] <AElfwine> 64
[10:38] <AElfwine> do you want to see my log file ?
[10:38] <AElfwine> i don t understand everything inside
[10:38] <confrey^^> hi again
[10:38] <ogra> AElfwine: hmm, immoral offers :)
[10:38] <ogra> AElfwine: post it to #flood
[10:38] <confrey^^> how can I play mp3s in ubuntu?
[10:38] <ender__> Hikaru79: the conf part of course. and also hide the conf page you have on port 80 :-)
[10:39] <ogra> confrey^^: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:39] <ender__> but if your ip change you'll have to find a trick to update and reload vsftpd
[10:40] <Hikaru79> What do you mean, ender__?
[10:41] <ender__> vsftpd is step by default for being passive ftp server. So it needs to know the ip from outside
[10:41] <ender__> that's in the page i gave you
[10:41] <Hikaru79> Right
[10:41] <Hikaru79> So do I just put my external IP address? 24.57.4.59?
[10:41] <ender__> yes: do the test
[10:41] <Tpyo_Knig> Hi
[10:42] <ender__> perhaps not that never know :-)
[10:42] <jelte> Hi all... just installed ubuntu and it looks good. Just a quick question. I'd like to install muine the music player, but synaptic doesn't list it. Should i add something to my sources.list?  i'm a little worried that that will screw things up with regards to using the 'smart upgrade' of synaptic.. since it might make different decisions if i have more repositories than just the ubuntu ones?
[10:42] <Hikaru79> jelte, why not download the binary/source from it's homepage and manually install it?
[10:43] <melazyboy> jelte: Yes you should probably add the debian repos
[10:43] <jelte> Hikaru79, well that was my second option... just wondering if its not easier/better to just use synaptic/apt .. its what its designed for i s'pose ;-)
[10:43] <ogra> jelte: there is no mono in ubuntu by default try here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[10:43] <melazyboy> jelte: Or uncomment it as most would have it
[10:44] <ogra> jelte: there is also muine for ubuntu in the mono repo
[10:45] <seemen> is there any abandonware from Loki now that theyre closed down, anyone?
[10:45] <jelte> ogra, thanks for the link... but i'm afraid I'm lost ;-/    what's mono?  related somehow to muine?
[10:45] <seemen> i need a good game
[10:45] <ogra> jelte: muine is programmed in mono, its a language
[10:46] <jelte> ogra, ah.. so i'd need that first before installing?   perhaps its better to just grab the rpm and use alien
[10:46] <ogra> jelte: you need the tseng repository in synaptic....there is also a muine package compiled for ubuntu
[10:46] <jelte> that way my repositories will be ok
[10:46] <jelte> ogra, so how would that effect a smart upgrade?
[10:46] <AElfwine> ogra : a idea ?
[10:47] <Tpyo_Knig> how can I use apt-get to install ndiswrapper?
[10:47] <ogra> jelte: in no way, except there are newer official mono/muine packages, then they would get updated :)
[10:47] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: you can't
[10:47] <ogra> AElfwine: you got dropped in the middle of the file :(
[10:47] <Tpyo_Knig> :(
[10:47] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: Its a module not a program
[10:47] <AElfwine> arg
[10:48] <Tpyo_Knig> melazyboy I have the package, .tar.gz i did the make
[10:48] <jelte> ogra, well that shouldn't be too bad! ;-)   also, maybe i missed something, but shouldn't synaptic have some sort of 'update' function?  equivalent to apt-get update?
[10:48] <Tpyo_Knig> but it wont make install
[10:48] <Tpyo_Knig> with version .11
[10:48] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363
[10:48] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: Not sure what you need to do, when you type make install what does it tell you?
[10:49] <dingo> just now i installed ubuntu , the install script did not ask for root password is this the righ behaviour??
[10:49] <melazyboy> Tpyo_Knig: And did you ./configure it yet?
[10:49] <ogra> melazyboy: you dont need to compile anything
[10:49] <ogra> dingo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:50] <lizdeika> why there is no runlelvel admin in ubuntu's gnome-system-tools ?
[10:50] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: ignore the line with the kernel update, yoiur kernel is up to date, the hiwto is a bit outdated
[10:50] <jdub> lizdeika: because it's not supported by upstream, and we don't think it's the right way to go about providing a gui for those tasks.
[10:50] <Tpyo_Knig> it says no target to make install
[10:51] <GoneBoB> realistically, I haven't changed runlevel except to reboot or shutdown... in many years
[10:51] <ogra> jdub: what about something like that (probbly cut down a bit more) ? http://www.grawert.net/services.png
[10:51] <GoneBoB> though people tend to get very upset when you mention a better boot system
[10:51] <lizdeika> jdub: whats alternative ?
[10:51] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: follow the howto i gave you
[10:51] <bob2> GoneBoB: they tend to ask people to justify massive changes for small gains, ime
[10:51] <Zugot2> hmm
[10:51] <AElfwine> ogra : too big file ....
[10:52] <AElfwine> ogra : i resend just the end .
[10:52] <ogra> AElfwine: the last lines will do
[10:52] <GoneBoB> bob2: yes, but there's nothign inherently wrong with change
[10:52] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, where can I get the, ndiswrapper-utils? it isnt in synaptic and apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils yields nothing
[10:52] <FSK405C> so how would one go about adding a sound card to ubuntu? others have suggested alsaconfig but even after reinstalling alsa packages I cant find that proggie anywhere. Any suggestions for an ubuntu n00blar?
[10:53] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: on which architecture are you  ? ix86 ?
[10:53] <bob2> GoneBoB: to a dependency-based system?  it's just a ton of work, in theory it's very cool.
[10:53] <Zugot2> anyone know off the top of their head where the wireless settings are kept?   like web key and such?
[10:53] <bob2> FSK405C: plugging it in is enough.
[10:53] <bob2> Zugot2: /etc/network/interfaces
[10:53] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, correct
[10:53] <FSK405C> bob2: Nope. It refuses to identify the card. :/
[10:53] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: its normally there
[10:53] <bob2> FSK405C: unless you have more than one card, then you have a bug.
[10:53] <bob2> FSK405C: how do you know it's not identifying it?
[10:53] <jdub> ogra: yeah, something fairly similar to that
[10:53] <Zugot2> bob2, thanks
[10:54] <FSK405C> bob2: Just the one card ... no devices/mixers found error, sound volume constant snaps back to 0 on attempts to adjust
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> root@wdbt:/home/twiztid # apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> Reading Package Lists... Done
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:54] <Tpyo_Knig> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils
[10:54] <dingo> how can i change the screen resolution being a normal user?
[10:54] <webmaven_> hello folks.
[10:54] <AElfwine> ogra : done
[10:54] <ogra> jdub: great, i would like to drop it in a pygtk class in mataro to get it improved by ppl there ;)
[10:54] <bob2> FSK405C: does it show up in dmesg?
[10:54] <GoneBoB> myself and a freind were postulating on the possibility of a 'suspend to disk' type startup accelerator (ie: on first load, it loads programs, then saves a snapshot, which in future it loads)
[10:54] <Mayday> is it just me or is natulius dead slow in hoary?
[10:54] <webmaven_> I am trying the Live CD on a laptop, but am stuck in 640x480.
[10:54] <melazyboy> What do you guys use to unrar i tried the package 'unrar' but no joy
[10:54] <bob2> dingo: you can use the gnome-xrandr applet
[10:54] <jelte> ogra, so much for that ... tseng repository doesn't seem to contain all the stuff that muine needs (even though it's got muine).. :-(
[10:55] <GoneBoB> is there anything inherently stupid about that I've overlooked?
[10:55] <bob2> ogra: you're coming to spain?
[10:55] <bob2> Mayday: install gamin
[10:55] <ogra> bob2: yep
[10:55] <bob2> Mayday: you removed ubuntu-desktop and forgot to see what it Depends on nowadays
[10:55] <mjr> dingo, computer / system settings / resolution or somesuch
[10:55] <FSK405C> bob2 lemme check ;)
[10:55] <ogra> bob2: see OliverGrawert....on the ConferenceAtendees site
[10:55] <bob2> GoneBoB: programs are not generally that stable
[10:55] <kaiser-> what does "you should exit the X server." mean ?
[10:55] <webmaven_> mjr, did you mean me?
[10:55] <bob2> ogra: oooooh, didn't link the name and irc nick in my head.  cool :-)
[10:55] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: sudo vi /etc/X11/XF86Config
[10:56] <kaiser-> im triying to install some drivers for my graphic card
[10:56] <mjr> webmaven_, no, actually
[10:56] <kaiser-> should i just type that ?
[10:56] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: no
[10:56] <GoneBoB> what card
[10:56] <ogra> bob2: ;)
[10:56] <bob2> kaiser-: what card?
[10:56] <kaiser-> geforce 4 ti4200
[10:56] <Mayday> bob2: thanks, apt-get install gamin fixed the problem
[10:56] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, no luck on apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils, and yes @ ix86
[10:56] <FSK405C> yep it does
[10:56] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:56] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: strange....
[10:56] <GoneBoB> then run nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:56] <Tpyo_Knig> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[10:56] <Tpyo_Knig> E: Couldn't find package ndiswrapper-utils
[10:56] <GoneBoB> you'll have to enable restricted
[10:57] <webmaven_> When I go to Computer/System Configuration/Screen Resolution I only have 640x480 and 75Hz as options.
[10:57] <kaiser-> you mean i havae to do it as root ?
[10:57] <ogra> AElfwine: i am wondering if the synaptics driver causes probs with the amd64 nvidia one
[10:57] <newtolinux> hello, im trying to get php on my ubuntu box yet apt-get isntall php returns with no package
[10:57] <newtolinux> does anyone know what the package is called?
[10:57] <kaiser-> btw GoneBoB what do i do after its done ?
[10:57] <kaiser-> should i reboot or something ?
[10:57] <Ja1> php4
[10:57] <GoneBoB> newtolinux: you can seach with apt-cache search X
[10:57] <GoneBoB> newtolinux: you can seach with apt-cache search php
[10:58] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: logout, login again
[10:58] <kaiser-> okay
[10:58] <AElfwine> ogra : synaptics  ?
[10:58] <bob2> kaiser-: what sort of cord is it?
[10:58] <RubenV> AElfwine: touchpad driver
[10:58] <bob2> newtolinux: libapache2-mod-php4
[10:58] <bob2> for apache2
[10:58] <ogra> AElfwine: its mentioned in your last log lines.....
[10:58] <webmaven_> What do I need to do to get the liveCD to recognize that my laptop's resolution is actually 1024x768?
[10:58] <ogra> AElfwine: its for the touchpad
[10:58] <newtolinux> ive got apache
[10:58] <newtolinux> 1.3.31
[10:59] <newtolinux> how would i unstall my current apache version
[10:59] <bob2> newtolinux: apt-get remove apache
[10:59] <newtolinux> then i can install apache 2 with php
[10:59] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: it is at least on the CD afaik....look in the pool directory of the install cd
[10:59] <Tpyo_Knig> webmaven_, screen=1024x768 for an argument, try that :/
[10:59] <bob2> apt-get install apache2
[10:59] <newtolinux> k
[10:59] <AElfwine> ogra : how could I remplace it ?
[10:59] <webmaven_> Tpyo_Knig, when do I try that, exactly?
[10:59] <AElfwine> ogra : putting a real mouse ?
[10:59] <Tpyo_Knig> when selecting kernel
[11:00] <GoneBoB> Tpyo_Knig: where did you pull that from?
[11:00] <AElfwine> ogra : or change the driver ?
[11:00] <Tpyo_Knig> after u select it , before u hit enter
[11:00] <ogra> AElfwine: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and change the input device
[11:00] <GoneBoB> ah, set the framebuffer to 1024
[11:00] <Tpyo_Knig> GoneBoB, I do it with other LiveCD's that dont like my GFX card
[11:00] <webmaven_> Tpyo_Knig, Hmm. I may have missed that, the CD seemed to boot without asking me anything. Did I just look away at the wrong moment?
[11:00] <ogra> AElfwine: but its only a guess....the nvidia drivers are hard to debug
[11:00] <kaiser-> GoneBoB, hmm i still cant change my hz to higher
[11:01] <kaiser-> doesnt seem like anything's changed
[11:01] <AElfwine> ogra : i will try it later
[11:01] <AElfwine> ogra : thanks for your ideas
[11:01] <anders_> anybody having problems with alsa in hoary?
[11:01] <Tpyo_Knig> webmaven_ yes, the cd asked me what i wanted to used, kernel with acpi, sagfe mode kernel, etc...
[11:02] <webmaven_> OK, I'll reboot and try again. Thanks Tpyo_Knig
[11:02] <AElfwine> and thanks to RubenV and xukun too
[11:02] <Tpyo_Knig> no
[11:02] <newtolinux> ok, now i removed a file wich i dont want to remove
[11:02] <Tpyo_Knig> ogra, what directory in pool on the install cd?
[11:02] <newtolinux> any suggestions on getting it back?
[11:03] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: anywhere below n .... dunno....
[11:03] <GoneBoB> kaiser-: try pressing ctrl+alt+bksp :)
[11:03] <GoneBoB> that will force a restart of X
[11:03] <ogra> Tpyo_Knig: it is a supported package, so i am sure its on the cd
[11:04] <newtolinux> any suggestions on how to get back a file i removed??
[11:04] <RubenV> newtolinux: can't
[11:04] <xukun> AElfwine: does it work now?
[11:04] <newtolinux> :/
[11:04] <Myke> hi there...
[11:04] <newtolinux> that sucks
[11:04] <RubenV> newtolinux: how did you delete it?
[11:05] <anders_> alsa stops working after each reboot, only way I figured out to fix it is to apt-get --purge remove hotplug and apt-get install hotpug plus the deps it removed. Alsa is always broken on reboot, and this method always fixes it.
[11:05] <newtolinux> rm
[11:05] <newtolinux> rm index.php
[11:05] <newtolinux> its still in my trash
[11:05] <RubenV> rm doesn't trash ;)
[11:05] <newtolinux> :(
[11:05] <newtolinux> ok, yet another question
[11:05] <Tpyo_Knig> >.<
[11:05] <kaiser-> hmm :=
[11:05] <Myke> newtolinux: if you have some knowlege about the contents of your file and possible size, you can always try to search in the disk...
[11:06] <melazyboy> anders_: why not just apt-get --reinstall install hotplug ?
[11:06] <Myke> there's a chance the file in not yet written over
[11:06] <ogra> melazyboy: why at all ?
[11:06] <newtolinux> when i ftp into my webhost is there a way i can get eg the entire www folder instead of having to download every file seperatly?
[11:06] <newtolinux> i tried get /www but that said it could only retreive single files
[11:07] <anders_> melazyboy: will that purge configuration files?
[11:07] <melazyboy> Does anyone know how to fix this error message -- The filename indicates that this file is of type 'microsoft wmv video' the contents of the file indicate that the file is of type 'microsoft asf vide' if you open this file the file might present a security risk to your system
[11:07] <Tpyo_Knig> newtolinux, wget -mr ftp://username:password@ftp.blah.com/www/
[11:07] <Myke> newtolinux: you probably want to use a graphic ftp tool for that..
[11:07] <RubenV> melazyboy: rename it
[11:07] <melazyboy> is that done through gnome?
[11:07] <Tpyo_Knig> melazyboy, commandline
[11:07] <Myke> the ftp command for mutiple files is: mget
[11:07] <melazyboy> RubenV: I dont want to rename them all i just want it to do what im telling it--open them through associated player
[11:07] <ogra> newtolinux: try nautilus with the connect to server dialog
[11:07] <newtolinux> k
[11:07] <anders_> melazyboy: ok, I'll reboot and try it
[11:08] <Tpyo_Knig> >.<
[11:08] <Myke> i would never imagine the ubuntu comunity so big.. so fast... :)
[11:08] <Tpyo_Knig> damn apt-get
[11:08] <melazyboy> any ideas on how to kill that stupid error message?
[11:08] <RubenV> Myke: cause it kicks arse :)
[11:09] <newtolinux> its the best beginner distro ever
[11:09] <TheStuff> hi all
[11:09] <ogra> melazyboy:  rename the file
[11:09] <newtolinux> does anyone know how long it takes to ship cd's orderd from the ubuntu website?
[11:09] <FSK405C> ok...new question - how to configure irq, etc for a soundcard under ubuntu?
[11:09] <ogra> melazyboy: make it a .asf
[11:09] <RubenV> newtolinux: mine are already a month on it's way :)
[11:09] <jdub> newtolinux: should be there this month if you ordered them before the cutoff - lots of people have them already
[11:09] <melazyboy> ogra: I have 15k files for the 15th time i dont want to rename the file! i want it to pass the file to the associated app.
[11:09] <Tpyo_Knig> newtolinux, I ordered mine like a month ago
[11:09] <Tpyo_Knig> and got them yesterday
[11:10] <newtolinux> kewl
[11:10] <Tpyo_Knig> I handed out a few and I just installed it today
[11:10] <Tpyo_Knig> and am about to rm -rf /
[11:10] <ogra> melazyboy: the file has the wrong suffix for its mime type
[11:10] <Myke> by the way... as soon as i have some free time, i'm goint to install a new server here at home with ubuntu, of course, and change the desktops to ubuntu also (right now, i only use it in my laptop), the thing is... that i'm thinking about doing some automatic logins using usb pens, just put the pen in the computer and login should be automatic... any ideas on that?
[11:10] <Tpyo_Knig> >.<
[11:10] <newtolinux> i orderd a few 3 weeks ago
[11:10] <melazyboy> ogra: So.. i don't care.. thats not the job of gnome.
[11:10] <jdub> Myke: hrm, can't do atm, i don't believe.
[11:11] <Myke> melazyboy, if the problem is because you have 15k files.. you can always use a script to rename that...
[11:11] <ogra> melazyboy: so live with the error
[11:11] <jdub> Myke: you'd have to write or find a pam module that checked a usb device for a particular signature, or mounted it and found a particular file
[11:11] <melazyboy> Myke: You guys must be completly missing the damn point...
[11:11] <newtolinux> ok, now im in my ftp via nautilus yet there is no option to download a complete directory, should i copy every file?
[11:11] <RubenV> melazyboy: no we dodn't
[11:11] <RubenV> those files are named incorrectly
[11:11] <RubenV> .wmv ain't for .asf
[11:11] <RubenV> just blame MS for being so crappy
[11:12] <RubenV> it's like naming a .jpg to .png
[11:12] <Tpyo_Knig> newtolinux, easier to use the method I said...
[11:12] <Myke> melazyboy, we have wrong ext for that file name, the program is warning you... you can change the ext for the files names... or change the program to supress the warning
[11:12] <melazyboy> Myke: Since when where stupid precations hard coded into linux --- i don't want that one, now how do i change it? your essentially telling me 'install windows you can't have it your way', and im responding with, i don't want a workaround i want to fix the problem... these are shared on windows boxes as well
[11:12] <Myke> (don't know witch program it is.. btw)
[11:12] <newtolinux> typoking: i thought you meant nautilus as tool
[11:12] <ogra> newtolinux: drag n drop
[11:12] <melazyboy> I thought it was being done through gnome... not the associated app
[11:13] <Tpyo_Knig> newtolinux, no, i said wget -mr ftp://username:password@ftp.ursite.com/www/
[11:13] <ogra> melazyboy: everything relys on the mime system ;)
[11:13] <Tpyo_Knig> melazyboy, what are you trying to do?
[11:13] <Myke> ok.. let me read your problem carefully (just crosses my eyes before)
[11:13] <newtolinux> thanks orga, that works
[11:13] <melazyboy> Yea because when i get the warning if i ps -a, it the app doesn't list
[11:13] <newtolinux> typo_king: ill remeber that
[11:14] <melazyboy> Simple... logically i have a set of files that have .wmv, and logically those files have an associated application to play them... i want them to be played and not some stupid brick wall to be placed inbetween them..
[11:14] <newtolinux> yet another question, i installed libapache2-mod-php4 yet when i try to view a php file it asks me if i want to save the file and it doesnt display it as i would expect :/
[11:14] <jdub> melazyboy: that error dialogue? it's a bug, and will end up being fixed.
[11:14] <RubenV> if you had spent all this time rambling on a simple command to rename em :)
[11:14] <Myke> ok... but, those files are in fact .asf but with .wmp, right?
[11:15] <RubenV> Myke: yes .wmv
[11:15] <melazyboy> RubenV: Ive been programming w/ perl for quite some time your complete ignorance to the objective of the question is starting to irratate me, thanks for the info jdub.
[11:15] <ogra> melazyboy: currently your best option is to rename the file to play it...or see that the generating apop uses the right extension
[11:15] <ogra> app
[11:16] <newtolinux> anyone?
[11:16] <Myke> melazyboy: since that looks like a security feature, you probably don't have a easy way out..
[11:16] <Myke> you can look at gconf for some obscure choice
[11:16] <RubenV> melazyboy: why perl? and, uh, ignorance? well thanks
[11:16] <Myke> or you can look at the code...
[11:16] <lizdeika> can do smth to make usb pen to automount ?
[11:16] <melazyboy> I could also go about the problem by dunking my computer into water loosing all data, cating urandom to a random length file untill i have data that resembles that lost, install a vmachine run windows and achive the same thing -- thats not what im looking to do.
[11:16] <webmaven_> Tpyo_Knig, it didn't work.
[11:16] <Myke> usually supressing something isn't that hard...
[11:17] <ogra> newtolinux: did you restart apache after installing ?
[11:17] <newtolinux> i dunno
[11:17] <newtolinux> i removed my old, installed this 1
[11:17] <Myke> lizdeika: are you using ubuntu?
[11:17] <lizdeika> Myke yes
[11:17] <Myke> because, with default install... usb pens are automounted here
[11:17] <ogra> newtolinux: apache needs to be restarted to be aware of the php4 module
[11:17] <Myke> i've tried two diferent brands
[11:17] <Ruffian|Q|> hi
[11:18] <lizdeika> Myke, i inserted and nothing happend :(
[11:18] <melazyboy> RubenV: Im not looking for a solution to get the files to play, im looking for a solution to disable what ever precaution is preventing them from playing.
[11:18] <newtolinux> how do i restart it, i relay have no clue what im doing
[11:18] <newtolinux> *realy
[11:18] <RubenV> melazyboy: and the solution is to rename em
[11:18] <webmaven_> Tpyo_Knig, before gnome starts up it looks like the whole screen is being used at the right resolution, but Gnome is only using 640x480 (scaled up) with a 0.5" black border.
[11:18] <RubenV> like i've been saying all the time
[11:18] <RubenV> it's 1 simple bash command
[11:18] <Myke> melazyboy: try to grep gnome-vfs sources for that string...
[11:18] <RubenV> *sigh*
[11:18] <melazyboy> RubenV Thats funny i almost never use ignore, congrats. and welcome.
[11:19] <ogra> melazyboy: its a wrong mime association made ba the generating app or user, gnome isnt able to handle that currently, but its been worked on as jdub said
[11:19] <RubenV> and btw, it's just an extension to mime mapping error :)
[11:19] <newtolinux> how do i restart apache?
[11:19] <Tpyo_Knig> webmaven_ u mind in i /msg u?
[11:20] <webmaven_> plz do.
[11:20] <Tpyo_Knig> if^
[11:20] <Riddell> newtolinux: sudo /etc/init.d/apache restart
[11:20] <RubenV> not going well anymore
[11:20] <ogra> melazyboy: the only workaround is currently to rename the file with the right filetype extension
[11:21] <newtolinux> /usr/sbin/apachectl is not executable, exiting
[11:21] <grendel> dudes, does anyone know if the Ubuntu installation has a default passwd set for root ? A friend oif mine who just installed Ubuntu said the installer never asked...
[11:22] <jdub> grendel: root is disabled
[11:22] <newtolinux> it doesnt set a root password
[11:22] <grendel> I really think he forgot the passwd...
[11:22] <newtolinux> as there is no root user
[11:22] <jdub> grendel: see the FAQ on the website for more info
[11:22] <ogra> grendel: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:22] <Myke> newtolinux: /etc/rc3.d/Sxxapache start
[11:22] <anders_> apt-get --reinstall hotplug did not work, --purge remove and install is only way to get alsa running, how should I debug this further?
[11:22] <newtolinux> he only needs the password of the first user
[11:22] <Myke> newtolinux: or /etc/rc3.d/Sxxhttpd start
[11:22] <grendel> ogra, ok thanks let me read on :D
[11:22] <ogra> anders_: reinstalling hotplug is not the solution
[11:22] <Tpyo_Knig> newtolinux, try this.... sudo chmod a+x /usr/sbin/apachectl
[11:23] <ogra> newtolinux: dont
[11:23] <ogra> newtolinux: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[11:23] <anders_> ogra: no, what is?
[11:23] <Tpyo_Knig> or not...
[11:23] <Myke> ogra: or that :p
[11:23] <grendel> oohhh that feature is really cool....
[11:23] <grendel> :D
[11:23] <newtolinux> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart works
[11:24] <ogra> anders_: lets find the error rather then reinstalling hotplug every reboot
[11:24] <Myke> btw, i don't know why... sudo didn't work for me... my user pass was not acceptable...
[11:24] <MaERkY> people
[11:24] <Myke> so, i had to put a root password
[11:24] <grendel> I think I'm going to install ubuntu
[11:24] <GoneBoB> ...
[11:24] <grendel> :D
[11:24] <anders_> ogra: would be nice yea :)
[11:24] <Myke> since, you can't put a root password without having root...
[11:24] <GoneBoB> Myke: how did you set a root password if the user password didn't work
[11:24] <Myke> you have to boot with: linux=1 option
[11:24] <MaERkY> i have a pctel modem but when i try installing it in ubuntu the driver supports on kernel 2.4
[11:24] <MaERkY> pm me
[11:25] <MaERkY> help
[11:25] <ogra> anders_: what kind of card ?
[11:25] <Myke> that way, you go strait for single user mode, root account
[11:25] <anders_> ogra: it's a extigy (snd-usb-audio)
[11:25] <ogra> anders_: was it recognized automatically from the installer ?
[11:25] <Myke> and, it's a good idea that you set up a root password
[11:25] <ogra> anders_: ahh , usb
[11:25] <Myke> because anyone can login to your machine (with local access) just booting with: linux=1 as a option
[11:25] <ogra> anders_: do you have a onboard card ?
[11:26] <newtolinux> http://195.240.197.240/index.php can someone tell me what the result of that is
[11:26] <anders_> ogra: yes, I've blacklisted the onboard since the extigy sounds better. I'm on hoary current
[11:26] <ogra> anders_: hmm, hoary.....
[11:27] <Riddell> newtolinux: "An error occurred while loading http://195.240.197.240/index.php"
[11:27] <newtolinux> :/
[11:27] <Myke> anders_: any diferent from hoary to warry ?
[11:27] <anders_> ogra: yes, after an upgrade of hotplug something broke I think
[11:27] <newtolinux> i restarted apache, placed the file in there
[11:27] <newtolinux> yet no results :(
[11:27] <Riddell> newtolinux: tail /var/log/apache/error.log
[11:28] <ogra> anders_: if your sound doesnt work, have you had a look in the loaded modules ?
[11:28] <anders_> Myke: was ok in warty exept for me needing to blacklist the old "audio" module which iterferes with "snd-usb-audio"
[11:28] <ogra>  /in/at
[11:28] <anders_> ogra: oh yes it works
[11:28] <anders_> ogra: but stops working after each reeboot
[11:28] <ogra> anders_: the blacklisting too ?
[11:28] <Myke> anders_: but, any visible diference between hoary and warry?
[11:28] <keknehv> How can I set up sshd to use IPv4?
[11:28] <newtolinux> riddell no errors in there
[11:29] <keknehv> (not IPv6)
[11:29] <anders_> things worked for a while in hoary until getting the current hotplug upgrade I think
[11:29] <ogra> anders_: i had issues with blacklisting a sound module in the ordinary /etc/hotplug/blacklist file , i had to use /etc/hotplug.d/alsa-base
[11:30] <sri> is there a 2.6.9 image for ubuntu?
[11:30] <ogra> sri: look ate the mailingf lists
[11:30] <Myke> how is nautilus between hoary and warry?
[11:30] <sri> ogra: okay
[11:30] <Myke> sri: i'm compiling one right know...
[11:30] <Myke> :p
[11:30] <anders_> ogra: I made a personal blacklist file, /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/myblacklist seems to work
[11:30] <sri> yeah, I wanted to avoid that
[11:30] <Myke> it's very easy
[11:30] <sri> I mean I can do it, but I have some strange problem with debian where I can't seem to get it to book without a initrd
[11:31] <ogra> anders_: hmm, seems hoary related....have you had a look at bugzilla ?
[11:31] <Myke> just download 2.6.9
[11:31] <Myke> copy /boot/config.something to .config in linux-2.6.9 dir
[11:31] <newtolinux> people, suggestions why php aint working or atleast my php files aint viewable?
[11:31] <anders_> ogra: yes have searched for hotplug and alsa
[11:31] <Myke> make
[11:31] <sri> Myke: yep, thast what I'm doing right now
[11:31] <Myke> anwser few questions, et voila
[11:31] <sri> Myke: but I'm lazy, see. :-)
[11:31] <Myke> the only reason i'm doing this it's to get suspend2 compiled in
[11:32] <Myke> otherwise i would not this...
[11:32] <sri> oh, I ahven't done that yet, and I"m not sure how well it will work on my laptop
[11:32] <Myke> anyone here from Portugal, btw?
[11:32] <sri> now I found a place that has ubuntu kernel
[11:32] <sri> but I'm not sure I snould point myself at it.
[11:32] <Myke> sri, with suspend2? :p
[11:32] <sri> Myke: dunno, I'm compiling this on my desktop
[11:33] <jmhodges> gah, i'm trying to install vpython, but its ./configure is telling me i dont have OpenGL, even when i did "CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/include/GL ./configure"
[11:33] <jmhodges> am i doing something wrong or is the configure just borked?
[11:33] <Myke> i'm compiling this on my laptop, for quite some time...
[11:33] <sri> Myke: I have some strange problem where ubuntu doesn't recognize my usb 2.0 ports, and thinks they are all on uhci_hcd
[11:33] <Myke> kernel has got quite bigger since last time i did this...
[11:33] <anders_> ogra: do you think I should open a bug? I'm able to recreate the symptoms at each bootup and solve it in a way
[11:33] <manco> has anyone had any luck getting xfce4.2rc1?
[11:33] <manco> on hoary
[11:33] <Myke> jmhodges: do you have opengl instaled?
[11:34] <Myke> not just run times, but dev packages also?
[11:34] <newtolinux> anyone?
[11:34] <jmhodges> Myke: i thought i did, i have a /usr/include/GL/gl.h
[11:34] <jmhodges> Myke: i would assume that since i installed gtkglarea-dev that this would bring in all the proper depends
[11:35] <Myke> i don't know that package... isn't it depend on mesa-gl?
[11:35] <beh> what is a terminal command to show the freespace for all the partitions?
[11:35] <seemen> is there any city building games for linux (ala simcity)
[11:35] <seemen> df
[11:36] <beh> seemen: thanks
[11:36] <ogra> anders_: yep, do it ... and have a look at the loaded modules dirctly after boot, before you reinstall hotplug and then compare them to the modules loaded later
[11:36] <FSK405C> ok...new question - how to configure irq, etc for a soundcard under ubuntu?
[11:36] <Myke> does anyone here uses linux as a gateway for a localnet with windows clients?
[11:36] <anders_> ogra: ok
[11:36] <jmhodges> Myke: it depends on xmesalib-gl  and -glu
[11:37] <jmhodges> or libgl1 and libglu1
[11:37] <keknehv> how do I set linux to get a static local network ip address (e.g. 192.168.1.50)
[11:37] <Myke> what do you see when you try to compile vpython?
[11:37] <newtolinux_> any suggestions why php wont work and apache wont display my files?
[11:38] <Myke> newtolinux_: check the logs
[11:38] <Myke> what do they say?
[11:38] <ogra> keknehv: in the network tool ..... in Computer->System Tools
[11:38] <jmhodges> Myke: "checking for GL... no"
[11:38] <newtolinux_> myke: nothing
[11:39] <jmhodges> well, one sec.. lemme past the whole thing
[11:39] <ogra> keknehv: or by editing /etc/network/interfaces
[11:39] <jmhodges> well, not whole, but the last 4 lines
[11:39] <KneelBeforeXorg> jdub: what's that about the coat hanger?
[11:39] <jmhodges> Myke: http://www.pastebin.com/124293 I think the final line is because of the missing GL
[11:39] <Myke> do you have lib-glu1-mesa-dev and mesag-dev installed?
[11:40] <jmhodges> no, i have xlibmesa-gl-dev .. not glu.. fsck..
[11:40] <Myke> and xlibmesa-dl-dev
[11:40] <jmhodges> i think xlibmesa-gl-dev is for xorg isnt it?.. i need the xfree pkgs perhaps..
[11:41] <Myke> xlibmesa-glu-dev
[11:41] <jmhodges> i have that one..
[11:41] <keknehv> What should I put for subnet mask and gateway address?
[11:41] <jmhodges> but not libglu1-mesa-dev
[11:41] <melazyboy> Is there a package that installs all of the windows .dlls for you to play wmv and asf files
[11:41] <Myke> in ubuntu warry they are for xfree
[11:41] <newtolinux_> can someone try http://195.240.197.240/index.php
[11:41] <keknehv> (my router's address is 192.168.1.100, modem is 192.168.100.1)
[11:42] <Myke> it works newtolinux
[11:42] <ogra>  keknehv: mask: 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.100
[11:42] <jmhodges> Myke: ah, crap, im using hoary..
[11:42] <newtolinux> myke: what does the page say?
[11:42] <keknehv> thanks ogra
[11:42] <Myke> but, with some mistakes there...
[11:42] <keknehv> I'll try that
[11:42] <keknehv> If I'm out for a sec... you know why
[11:42] <jmhodges> Myke: i dont know.. its very confusing.. there appears to be no libgl1 in hoary..
[11:42] <ogra> Welcome to Roelandonline.com the online place for information about Roeland Hemsteede
[11:43] <newtolinux> kewl, finaly works then
[11:43] <newtolinux> :/
[11:43] <Myke> jmhodges: i guess.. in hoary, xlibmesa is compiled against xfree :p
[11:43] <jmhodges> hehe, ok
[11:43] <newtolinux> dunno why i only see the apache welcome page
[11:43] <keknehv> Am I still here?
[11:43] <ogra> yep
[11:43] <jmhodges> Myke: im going to install all of these glu bits and see whats going on..
[11:43] <keknehv> Huh. Must not have had time to time out :D
[11:43] <newtolinux> another question, how do i kill my ftp service i dont want it running
[11:44] <Myke> newtolinux: you only see apache page, because you're not using index.php after your ip
[11:44] <Myke> in default config, index.html comes first
[11:44] <ogra> FSK405C: an ISA card ?
[11:44] <keknehv> testing...
[11:44] <keknehv> I'm still here?
[11:45] <Myke> yes
[11:45] <ogra> keknehv: no+
[11:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> keknehv: yes
[11:45] <Myke> i'm still compiling this kernel... gees
[11:45] <Myke> i really need to install distcc around here...
[11:46] <Ja1> does anybody know how to select monochromatic text rendering for gnome-terminal only? The smeared fonts look ugly on black background.
[11:46] <jmhodges> Myke: it was the missing glu and xmesa* works fine for xfree it seems
[11:46] <Myke> you're using hoary with xfree?
[11:47] <ogra> Ja1: it is possible.... but i cant tell you from the top of my head
[11:47] <ogra> FSK405C: ??
[11:47] <newtolinux> ok, then my final question of the night, i download the complete www folder of my website yet when i try to move my www folder to /var/www it says i cant overwrite directory's so i tried to open my home directory using the gui and cut move all files to another opend gui window with the /var/www folder, then it says i dont have enough permissions
[11:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> how many programs +- are avaliable in ubuntu repositories?
[11:48] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: about 14000
[11:48] <Myke> /var/www should belong to user nobody
[11:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: thx
[11:48] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: packages.....
[11:48] <Myke> so... you don't have permissions to do that...
[11:48] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: i dunno the amount of binarys in there ;)
[11:48] <Myke> try: sudo cp www/* /var/www -rf
[11:48] <newtolinux> k
[11:48] <newtolinux> cp = copy paste?
[11:49] <FSK405C> ogra: yep
[11:49] <ogra> newtolinux: cp = copy
[11:49] <Myke> no... it's copy comand...
[11:49] <ogra> FSK405C: isa ?
[11:49] <Myke> you have to write that in shell :)
[11:49] <newtolinux> yeah :)
[11:49] <FSK405C> Ogra: Yes, at least dmesg lists it as so
[11:49] <ogra> FSK405C: you know the module name ?
[11:49] <ogra> FSK405C: else....what kind of card is it ?
[11:50] <newtolinux> it just says omiting directory /home/newtolinux/www
[11:50] <FSK405C> ogra: Heh - I can't say I do. It's a sb16 card.
[11:50] <newtolinux> yet it didnt copy all files to /var/www
[11:50] <ogra> FSK405C: a real one ?
[11:51] <Myke> btw, anyone here having problems with evolution and imap ?
[11:51] <FSK405C> ogra: Uhmmm errr ahhh ... define real. :D It's an emulated card - am running under VPC on OS X to run some x86 linux binaries. I've been able to get everything but the sound card to function thus far.
[11:51] <Myke> i've tried evolution for some time, but, it keeps crasching on me...
[11:51] <Nivlem> newtolinux: cp = copy a file
[11:51] <pmfp> newtolinux: man cp (shows manual for the program), says recursive copying is done with the option -r, for instance: cp -r /home/pmfp /archive/backup/
[11:51] <melazyboy> I just added the sid repository to my sources.list, and the size of update when from 4 packages to 262,... are ubuntu's packages that much older?
[11:51] <ogra> FSK405C: the right module would be snd-sb16 , modinfo snd-sb16 shows available parameters
[11:52] <keknehv> How can I set up the ssh client to use a port OTHER than 22?
[11:52] <pmfp> newtolinux: recursive means it will go into subdirectories and copy everything
[11:52] <Myke> melazyboy, something tells me you shouldn't mix ubuntu and debian sid
[11:52] <newtolinux> sudo cp -r /home/newtolinux/www/* /var/www worked
[11:52] <newtolinux> :D
[11:52] <pmfp> newtolinux: the move command, mv, moves everything right away, doesn't require an option
[11:52] <ogra> pmfp: not the directorys
[11:53] <pmfp> ogra: ?
[11:53] <Nivlem> Is there a wiki or something about how to enable ports in Warty? I want to install and use ident2, but can't since port 113 isn't open..
[11:53] <melazyboy> Myke: I would be inclined to agree, but still ... 262 newer pacakges... thats pretty sad
[11:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> what a hell is that!? imanewbie@isengard:~ $ uptime
[11:53] <_|Imanewbie|_>  20:53:00 up  1:14,  3 users,  load average: 0.26, 0.35, 0.33
[11:53] <ogra> pmfp: cp -Dr copies the dirs recursively, else you copy only the files
[11:53] <FSK405C> ogra: thx thats the most helpful pointer I've gotten yet - much appreciated =] 
[11:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> how can there be 3 users!?
[11:53] <keknehv> how can I make ssh use a different port?
[11:53] <melazyboy> Myke: one fo them is xorg-driver-synaptics, i wonder if that will fix my fglrx driver problem
[11:53] <ogra> FSK405C: try adding it to /etc/modules then ;)
[11:54] <pmfp> ogra: um, no
[11:54] <keknehv> Assume that the port I want is port 5000, my username is dumbo, and my hostname is homecomputer
[11:54] <FSK405C> will do so =] 
[11:54] <pmfp> ogra: cp -r will get subdirectories too
[11:54] <Myke> what fglrx problem?
[11:54] <keknehv> so... what would the command be?
[11:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> keknehv: ssh youthost:xx (xx is the port)?
[11:54] <TheStuff> brb
[11:54] <pmfp> ogra: you can try it right away, I'm right :)
[11:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone has any clue about my "uptime"?
[11:54] <ogra> pmfp: sorry, yes....i got so used to -a ;)
[11:54] <newtolinux> ok, final question: ive got an ftp server running at boot, i want to shut it down right now and dont have it start on boot anymore
[11:55] <newtolinux> how would i do that?
[11:55] <pmfp> ogra: np np ;)
[11:55] <FSK405C> well I do rtfm myself when I know which man pages to look in...Im new to ubuntu and not familiar with the architecture just yet :/
[11:55] <Nivlem> _|Imanewbie|_: Are you logged into 3 different virtual consoles and forgot?
[11:55] <epod> oog
[11:55] <Myke> newtolinux: in /etc/rc2.d you have something like: Sxxftp..
[11:55] <epod> This is so harsh, I have ear infections in both ears :(
[11:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Nivlem: no I'm not! How can I check it?
[11:55] <Myke> mv Sxxftp.. to Kxxftp
[11:55] <epod> nick zenpod
[11:56] <Myke> telinit 2
[11:56] <pmfp> newtolinux: to shut it down right now, /etc/init.d/xxftp (exchange xxftp for whatever the name is... of course :) )
[11:56] <pmfp> newtolinux: oops, meant: /etc/init.d/xxftp stop
[11:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> Myke: than so?
[11:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> How do I close it? Btw how do I take screenshots in Ubuntu?
[11:57] <ogra> newtolinux: put a sudo in front ;)
[11:57] <melazyboy> does anyone in here activly keep debian sid in their sources.list? and when they update do the two colide? I woulden't think so...
[11:57] <newtolinux_> sudo: /etc/init.d/Sxxftp: command not found
[11:57] <keknehv> I ran the command "ssh blah@blah.com:5000"
[11:57] <keknehv> It didn't work
[11:57] <keknehv> How do I select the port?
[11:57] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: Computer menu
[11:57] <Myke> melazyboy: they probably colide
[11:58] <ljlane> keknehv, ssh -p 5000 blah@blah.com
[11:58] <Myke> if you want up to date packs in ubuntu, change warry into hoary
[11:58] <ogra> melazyboy: dont do that
[11:58] <Nivlem> <_|Imanewbie|_: Just use Ctrl-Alt+F1, F2 ,etc...F7 will take you back to gnome desktop
[11:58] <pmfp> newtolinux: like I said, exchange Sxxftp for the name of the ftp
[11:58] <pmfp> newtolinux: ls /etc/init.d | grep ftp
[11:58] <keknehv> Ohhhhh... ok, thanks!
[11:58] <ogra> melazyboy: dont mix debian with ubuntu .....
[11:58] <newtolinux> ls /etc/init.d | grep ftp returns nothing
[11:59] <melazyboy> odd... the order of your list in sources changes the priority of the install before with debian at the top there where 262 needing upgrading, now there are only 88
[11:59] <pmfp> newtolinux: ls lists contents of a directory (man ls, if you want options or other info), the | pipes/shovels the output to something, in this case grep, and grep only lets through the lines containing what comes after it, in this case ftp
[11:59] <seemen> how do i install a program from a .deb?
[11:59] <TheCan> hi
[12:00] <pmfp> newtolinux: do you know the name of it? ps aux | grep ftp perhaps?