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| enrico | hi! | 01:49 |
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| ChrisH | hi! | 01:51 |
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| ChrisH | enrico: Why that? Working for Gentoo now? | 02:55 |
| enrico | ChrisH: see my message in ubuntu-doc about the previous airline going bankrupt and canceling all flights | 02:57 |
| enrico | Man, this was such a PITA... | 02:57 |
| ChrisH | *lol* | 02:58 |
| ChrisH | Let's see if the hotel or Mark or the train company also go bankrupt. Oh, heck. | 02:59 |
| enrico | Plus a general strike here tomorrow, so I had to wake up at 4.45 to reschedule my girlfriend's flights for today | 03:00 |
| === enrico would feel more stable living in Bananas rather that in Italy at the moment | ||
| sid77_ | c'mon enrico, at least tomorrow you shouldn't have to be at university to take a test ;) | 03:03 |
| enrico | www.sco.com :)) | 03:09 |
| enrico | Have a look asap | 03:09 |
| sid77_ | ahahh | 03:09 |
| sid77_ | already seen | 03:09 |
| sid77_ | (and saved a copy too) | 03:09 |
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| enrico | sivang: got ya! | 05:17 |
| sivang | enrico : hi! | 05:18 |
| sivang | Finally I am online.. | 05:18 |
| enrico | lulu: around? | 05:55 |
| enrico | lulu: I'd like to ask about the relationships between the translation teams and the documentation team | 05:56 |
| enrico | lulu: Many people write in ubuntu-doc offering help for internationalizations, and I wonder if the docteam should also handle internationalization or if there are already i18n teams | 05:56 |
| enrico | lulu: That is, it's unclear to me how i18n work is organized in ubuntu | 05:56 |
| enrico | lulu: Could you help me clearing it out? | 05:56 |
| lulu | enrico: Daf is working with translators on translating Ubuntu. | 05:58 |
| lulu | enrico: the doc team is encouraging translators who wish to translate documentation to set up their local language on the wiki and begin... | 05:58 |
| lulu | enrico: I am corresponding with a company atm to get linguaplone done for the site. | 05:59 |
| enrico | lulu: does that mean that if people offer help with i18n we shold refer to daf for application i18n and help setting up a section in the wiki and working with the docteam for local documentation? | 06:00 |
| === enrico doesn't know much about linguaplone, but can imagine | ||
| lulu | that is the natural division atm. | 06:09 |
| lulu | we need to link the two teams better. Let's include that as a point in the BOF in Spain and have people contribute their ideas beforehand on the wiki....to give us a bigger picture of what both teams think we should be doing... | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: sounds meaningful to me | 06:09 |
| lulu | enrico: can you get a page set up and faciliate this discussion on the two lists? | 06:09 |
| === enrico considers pasting this conversation in the list | ||
| enrico | lulu: two lists... you mean ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-devel or there is some ubuntu-i18n list? | 06:09 |
| lulu | enrico: to both....and get the wiki page up to collate ideas. | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: sure: I can take care of this | 06:09 |
| lulu | enrico:there is a translators mailing list. | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: ok, I'll look that up | 06:09 |
| lulu | ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: thanks | 06:09 |
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| === enrico emits loud lorry engine noise | ||
| lulu | enrico: Rosetta should be ready by Mataro so this will make the integration much easier/better | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: I'll be curious to finally see what Rosetta will be about | 06:09 |
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| lulu | enrico: You know from the previous conference that it is a translation tool. But all will be revealed shortly. | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: yes, I know that but I still don't know about its scope | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: I just know it'll be amazing :) | 06:09 |
| lulu | in the interim - I think a brainstorm on how to get translators and the doc team working together will be a good beginning. Let us know when the page is up and seeded with a few of your ideas. | 06:09 |
| lulu | enrico: thanks for doing that :o) | 06:09 |
| enrico | It'll be UbuntuLanguages | 06:09 |
| enrico | lulu: it's my pleasure and my duty | 06:09 |
| lulu | :o) | 06:09 |
| sivang | enrico : hi again | 06:09 |
| sivang | hi lulu | 06:09 |
| sivang | what will be amazing? | 06:09 |
| sivang | ;) | 06:09 |
| sivang | enrico : I went to the lib which is working 2 more hours here.. | 06:09 |
| lulu | sivang: hiya! | 06:09 |
| sivang | lulu : Hi lulu! | 06:09 |
| sivang | lulu : were you talking about rosetta? | 06:14 |
| sivang | :) | 06:14 |
| lulu | sivang: yes. | 06:14 |
| sivang | lulu : oh, there is one thing I wanted to ask regarding the conf, | 06:14 |
| lulu | and how translators and doc team need to work together - we need to get that brainstorm going asap. Enrico's onto it. | 06:14 |
| lulu | sivang: ask away... | 06:14 |
| sivang | lulu : I'm listed with the wlecome to python BOF on the 15th :) Now, as I don't mind giving such , I will not be there on the 15th as we all know :) | 06:14 |
| sivang | lulu : I will hopefully stay online for the time being and help enrico | 06:14 |
| sivang | on it also, I have been reciving requests from various translators for co operation already | 06:14 |
| lulu | sivang: draft - may be a few probs to iron out. Jeff will be putting the last BOFs up - and we'll move things. | 06:14 |
| lulu | sivang: good - please add these ideas/queries to the wiki page so we can work on a strategy to work together effectively. | 06:14 |
| sivang | ok, no prob. I would be honnoroed to give a talk before Scott :) with him continuing on "Python Everywhere" , I would also not want to miss that by him, I'll talk to Jeff | 06:14 |
| sivang | enrico : rehi! :) | 06:14 |
| sivang | enrico : ok, let's set on some wiki and docteam planning now :) win is enough for that I guess :) | 06:15 |
| sivang | enrico : first, I want to create a formal page on the main site for the doc team, with updated goals and current works, as we set and agreed not long ago , outline the streamlines list of goals with the 1)Ubuntun Book | 06:16 |
| sivang | 2) Shipped docs | 06:16 |
| sivang | 3) Doc Infrastructure | 06:16 |
| sivang | etc.. | 06:16 |
| sivang | what else did we have? | 06:16 |
| sivang | lulu : when will be set to go on moving the new faq from the svn to act as a main faq? how comfortable are you with this? | 06:17 |
| enrico | sivang: I'd use DocumentationTeamCurrentWork for that | 06:18 |
| sivang | enrico : ok, so we just go and fill what we are onto , and send a request to ML for others? I think john has sent a request for update also.. | 06:18 |
| sivang | enrico : how can we also go about trimming down the huge amount of wiki pagees? as we discussed before , do you agree also the wiki should be a small repository of docs, with only few main pages of brainstorming and updates? | 06:19 |
| enrico | sivang: I'm getting lost | 06:21 |
| sivang | enrico : oh sorry, let me restart.. | 06:22 |
| sivang | enrico : (reading my stuff I see I'm lost also :) | 06:22 |
| lulu | sivang" I have an FAQ upload answer - let me find it... | 06:24 |
| lulu | and elmo is talking to hornbeck on the Ubuntu svn server. | 06:25 |
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| sivang | lulu : ok, so it will get uploaded there? how is it going to be incorporated in ploney? :) | 06:25 |
| enrico | I'll now try to get to daf to discuss how to announce that in the i18n community | 06:25 |
| sivang | enrico : what is the announcment about? | 06:26 |
| enrico | About updating UbuntuLanguages if someone starts a new language project | 06:27 |
| enrico | About current works, I started trying to keep track of what happens using 'planner' (apt-cache show planner) | 06:28 |
| enrico | I don't like planner's philosophy centering on commercial projects, but it's useful to keep track of who's doing what | 06:28 |
| lulu | enrico: is the wiki not good enough to track who is doing what? | 06:29 |
| enrico | However, a summary of the big Docteam ongoing efforts can be at the beginning of DocumentationTeamCurrentWork | 06:29 |
| enrico | lulu: to be honest, it was a long time I wanted to try this planner/MrProject software :) | 06:29 |
| enrico | And yes, the wiki is probably good enough | 06:30 |
| lulu | enrico: ok - but the more layers of complexity that is added, the less inclined people are to get involved. Keep it straighforward and easy. | 06:30 |
| lulu | is at all possible. | 06:30 |
| enrico | I don't plan to spread the use of planner anywhere | 06:30 |
| enrico | I swear! :) | 06:30 |
| lulu | is -> if | 06:30 |
| lulu | ok :o) | 06:30 |
| enrico | I have quite a long wishlist bug to be reported in my mind | 06:31 |
| enrico | It just isn't made to track volunteer-driven projects, imo | 06:31 |
| enrico | sivang: still around? | 06:39 |
| sivang | yes | 06:39 |
| sivang | I'm will be for a while, I want to assist in getting some stuff done | 06:39 |
| enrico | sivang: would you like to get started in packaging the FAQ? | 06:40 |
| sivang | enrico : yes ! | 06:41 |
| sivang | enrico : [what about the other stuff, wiki streamlineing content, plannig] ofcourse! | 06:41 |
| === enrico almost finished the annoucement and is now peer-reviewing with Daf | ||
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| enrico | Sent the announcement | 07:37 |
| lulu | night all :o) | 07:39 |
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| enrico | lulu: good night! | 07:39 |
| enrico | (too late) | 07:39 |
| === enrico is about to go out | ||
| enrico | I hope sivan gets back soon | 07:51 |
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| enrico | See you later, or tomorro! | 08:04 |
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| ggi | hello sivang | 10:14 |
| sivang | hi ggi | 10:14 |
| sivang | how's ireland in this cold period of the year? | 10:14 |
| sivang | :) | 10:14 |
| ggi | Hey! It's Scotland, and it's very cold. I should probably put the heating on. | 10:15 |
| sivang | ah sorry | 10:16 |
| sivang | scotland, | 10:16 |
| sivang | I recalled it was something from that region, please excuse my bad memory and poor geography knowlege. | 10:16 |
| sivang | (and my bad spelling also:) | 10:16 |
| ggi | Have we decided on a DocFest weekend yet? | 10:17 |
| plovs | goodnight! | 10:19 |
| sivang | ggi : I don't think | 11:04 |
| sivang | so | 11:04 |
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