[01:49] <enrico> hi!
[01:51] <ChrisH> hi!
[02:55] <ChrisH> enrico: Why that? Working for Gentoo now?
[02:57] <enrico> ChrisH: see my message in ubuntu-doc about the previous airline going bankrupt and canceling all flights
[02:57] <enrico> Man, this was such a PITA...
[02:58] <ChrisH> *lol*
[02:59] <ChrisH> Let's see if the hotel or Mark or the train company also go bankrupt. Oh, heck.
[03:00] <enrico> Plus a general strike here tomorrow, so I had to wake up at 4.45 to reschedule my girlfriend's flights for today
[03:03] <sid77_> c'mon enrico, at least tomorrow you shouldn't have to be at university to take a test ;)
[03:09] <enrico> www.sco.com :))
[03:09] <enrico> Have a look asap
[03:09] <sid77_> ahahh
[03:09] <sid77_> already seen
[03:09] <sid77_> (and saved a copy too)
[05:17] <enrico> sivang: got ya!
[05:18] <sivang> enrico : hi!
[05:18] <sivang> Finally I am online..
[05:55] <enrico> lulu: around?
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: I'd like to ask about the relationships between the translation teams and the documentation team
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: Many people write in ubuntu-doc offering help for internationalizations, and I wonder if the docteam should also handle internationalization or if there are already i18n teams
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: That is, it's unclear to me how i18n work is organized in ubuntu
[05:56] <enrico> lulu: Could you help me clearing it out?
[05:58] <lulu> enrico: Daf is working with translators on translating Ubuntu.
[05:58] <lulu> enrico: the doc team is encouraging translators who wish to translate documentation to set up their local language on the wiki and begin...
[05:59] <lulu> enrico: I am corresponding with a company atm to get linguaplone done for the site.
[06:00] <enrico> lulu: does that mean that if people offer help with i18n we shold refer to daf for application i18n and help setting up a section in the wiki and working with the docteam for local documentation?
[06:09] <lulu> that is the natural division atm.
[06:09] <lulu> we need to link the two teams better. Let's include that as a point in the BOF in Spain and have people contribute their ideas beforehand on the wiki....to give us a bigger picture of what both teams think we should be doing...
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: sounds meaningful to me
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: can you get a page set up and faciliate this discussion on the two lists?
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: two lists... you mean ubuntu-doc and ubuntu-devel or there is some ubuntu-i18n list?
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: to both....and get the wiki page up to collate ideas.
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: sure: I can take care of this
[06:09] <lulu> enrico:there is a translators mailing list.
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: ok, I'll look that up
[06:09] <lulu> ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: thanks
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: Rosetta should be ready by Mataro so this will make the integration much easier/better
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: I'll be curious to finally see what Rosetta will be about
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: You know from the previous conference that it is a translation tool. But all will be revealed shortly.
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: yes, I know that but I still don't know about its scope
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: I just know it'll be amazing :)
[06:09] <lulu> in the interim - I think a brainstorm on how to get translators and the doc team working together will be a good beginning. Let us know when the page is up and seeded with a few of your ideas.
[06:09] <lulu> enrico: thanks for doing that :o)
[06:09] <enrico> It'll be UbuntuLanguages
[06:09] <enrico> lulu: it's my pleasure and my duty
[06:09] <lulu> :o)
[06:09] <sivang> enrico : hi again
[06:09] <sivang> hi lulu
[06:09] <sivang> what will be amazing?
[06:09] <sivang> ;)
[06:09] <sivang> enrico : I went to the lib which is working 2 more hours here..
[06:09] <lulu> sivang: hiya! 
[06:09] <sivang> lulu : Hi lulu! 
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : were you talking about rosetta?
[06:14] <sivang> :)
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: yes.
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : oh, there is one thing I wanted to ask regarding the conf,
[06:14] <lulu> and how translators and doc team need to work together - we need to get that brainstorm going asap. Enrico's onto it.
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: ask away...
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : I'm listed with the wlecome to python BOF on the 15th :) Now, as I don't mind giving such , I will not be there on the 15th as we all know :)
[06:14] <sivang> lulu : I will hopefully stay online for the time being and help enrico 
[06:14] <sivang> on it also, I have been reciving requests from various translators for co operation already
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: draft - may be a few probs to iron out. Jeff will be putting the last BOFs up - and we'll move things.
[06:14] <lulu> sivang: good - please add these ideas/queries to the wiki page so we can work on a strategy to work together effectively.
[06:14] <sivang> ok, no prob. I would be honnoroed to give a talk before Scott :) with him continuing on "Python Everywhere" , I would also not want to miss that by him, I'll talk to Jeff
[06:14] <sivang> enrico : rehi! :)
[06:15] <sivang> enrico : ok, let's set on some wiki and docteam planning now :) win is enough for that I guess :)
[06:16] <sivang> enrico : first, I want to create a formal page on the main site for the doc team, with updated goals and current works, as we set and agreed not long ago , outline the streamlines list of goals with the 1)Ubuntun Book
[06:16] <sivang> 2) Shipped docs
[06:16] <sivang> 3) Doc Infrastructure
[06:16] <sivang> etc..
[06:16] <sivang> what else did we have?
[06:17] <sivang> lulu : when will be set to go on moving the new faq from the svn to act as a main faq? how comfortable are you with this?
[06:18] <enrico> sivang: I'd use DocumentationTeamCurrentWork for that
[06:18] <sivang> enrico : ok, so we just go and fill what we are onto , and send a request to ML for others? I think john has sent a request for update also..
[06:19] <sivang> enrico : how can we also go about trimming down the huge amount of wiki pagees? as we discussed before , do you agree also the wiki should be a small repository of docs, with only few main pages of brainstorming and updates?
[06:21] <enrico> sivang: I'm getting lost
[06:22] <sivang> enrico : oh sorry, let me restart..
[06:22] <sivang> enrico : (reading my stuff I see I'm lost also :)
[06:24] <lulu> sivang" I have an FAQ upload answer - let me find it...
[06:25] <lulu> and elmo is talking to hornbeck on the Ubuntu svn server.
[06:25] <sivang> lulu : ok, so it will get uploaded there? how is it going to be incorporated in ploney? :)
[06:25] <enrico> I'll now try to get to daf to discuss how to announce that in the i18n community
[06:26] <sivang> enrico : what is the announcment about?
[06:27] <enrico> About updating UbuntuLanguages if someone starts a new language project
[06:28] <enrico> About current works, I started trying to keep track of what happens using 'planner' (apt-cache show planner)
[06:28] <enrico> I don't like planner's philosophy centering on commercial projects, but it's useful to keep track of who's doing what
[06:29] <lulu> enrico: is the wiki not good enough to track who is doing what?
[06:29] <enrico> However, a summary of the big Docteam ongoing efforts can be at the beginning of DocumentationTeamCurrentWork
[06:29] <enrico> lulu: to be honest, it was a long time I wanted to try this planner/MrProject software :)
[06:30] <enrico> And yes, the wiki is probably good enough
[06:30] <lulu> enrico: ok - but the more layers of complexity that is added, the less inclined people are to get involved. Keep it straighforward and easy.
[06:30] <lulu> is at all possible.
[06:30] <enrico> I don't plan to spread the use of planner anywhere
[06:30] <enrico> I swear! :)
[06:30] <lulu> is -> if
[06:30] <lulu> ok :o)
[06:31] <enrico> I have quite a long wishlist bug to be reported in my mind
[06:31] <enrico> It just isn't made to track volunteer-driven projects, imo
[06:39] <enrico> sivang: still around?
[06:39] <sivang> yes
[06:39] <sivang> I'm will be for a while, I want to assist in getting some stuff done
[06:40] <enrico> sivang: would you like to get started in packaging the FAQ?
[06:41] <sivang> enrico : yes !
[06:41] <sivang> enrico : [what about the other stuff, wiki streamlineing content, plannig]  ofcourse!
[07:37] <enrico> Sent the announcement
[07:39] <lulu> night all :o)
[07:39] <enrico> lulu: good night!
[07:39] <enrico> (too late)
[07:51] <enrico> I hope sivan gets back soon
[08:04] <enrico> See you later, or tomorro!
[10:14] <ggi> hello sivang
[10:14] <sivang> hi ggi
[10:14] <sivang> how's ireland in this cold period of the year?
[10:14] <sivang> :)
[10:15] <ggi> Hey! It's Scotland, and it's very cold. I should probably put the heating on.
[10:16] <sivang> ah sorry
[10:16] <sivang> scotland,
[10:16] <sivang> I recalled it was something from that region, please excuse my bad memory and poor geography knowlege.
[10:16] <sivang> (and my bad spelling also:)
[10:17] <ggi> Have we decided on a DocFest weekend yet?
[10:19] <plovs> goodnight!
[11:04] <sivang> ggi : I don't think 
[11:04] <sivang> so