[12:00] mdz: done [12:00] #3811 imported from BTS and #4219 are dupes [12:01] ah, i can do that :) === graham [~graham@capella.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] night all === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] mdz: pong === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-20-196.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] moo [01:13] seb128: here? [01:13] yes [01:14] figure out epihpany-browser? [01:14] no [01:14] gnome-media ftbfs [01:14] no log on people, only for ia64 in fact [01:14] fabbione: here? [01:14] gnome-media says nautilus is uninstallable [01:15] gnome/epiphany-browser_1.5.2-0ubuntu2: Dep-Wait by buildd+mcmurdo [optional:out-of-date] [01:15] Dependencies: libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.5.6) [01:16] libs/gtk+2.0_2.5.5-0ubuntu2: Installed [optional:out-of-date] [01:16] have a nice day. :-( [01:16] seb128: if you change the dep in epiphany-browser, let me know so I can kick the dep-wait [01:17] lamont: yeah, I've switch the glib/gtk versions in the first upload and fixed with the second [01:17] seb128: gnome-media's issue is that capplets: Depends: libxklavier9 (>= 1.11) but it is not installable (libxklavier10 replaces it...) [01:18] seb128: so clear the depwait? [01:18] yeah please === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-237-53.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] I'll fix the libxklavier/control-center issue [01:19] seb128: kicked [01:19] thanks [01:19] seb128: you'll be uploading new capplets, yes? [01:19] yes, in about 10min [01:19] ok. just trying to figure out what to d-w [01:19] pants off [01:20] hey jdub [01:20] seb128: craaaaazy gnome release action :) [01:20] amusingly, control-center is d-w libgnomeui-dev (>= 2.8.0-1) [01:20] he he [01:20] and we have -0ubuntu1 [01:20] lamont: arg, will fix that in the same time [01:20] thanks [01:21] due to the sync with deb [01:21] seb128: if you upload within 8 minutes, that'd be just dandy... [01:26] lamont: grrr, nop, will not be ok. I need to add a patch will take a few min .. [01:27] seb128: np === lamont has to run out for an hour or 2 in about 45 minutes max, would like to release it by then. [01:28] so would be best if you get it uploaded before the hour. :-) [01:28] otherwise, at is my friend. [01:30] rebuilding it with the fix now [01:30] it the build is ok I'll upload in a few min === Ferry [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:35] kewl [01:41] lamont: what's the latest on #4078? [01:43] mdz: checking now [01:43] thanks [01:47] mdz: mlocktest.c gives 1 in a chroot on i386, 0 on the other 2. [01:48] lamont: what kernel is it running? [01:48] and outside the chroot gives 0 [01:49] aha [01:49] so the question becomes [01:49] "wtf" [01:49] Linux macaroni 2.6.8.1 #1 SMP Wed Nov 17 15:00:00 GMT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux [01:49] so it's a chroot thing, apparently [01:49] what's different about that chroot? [01:49] it has /proc mounted and all that nice sort of stuff? [01:50] proc mounted [01:50] lamont: strace it and see what error is returned my mlock [01:50] s/my/by/ [01:50] sec [01:51] meh, alsa's so crap [01:51] if I run xmms with alsa, I can stall music entirely by doing 'ls /usr/lib'... oss is fine [01:52] that's even with xmms reniced to -15 [01:52] GAH [01:52] now it's working [01:52] even not-strace [01:52] d [01:52] I decided to shy away from alsa since my sb live! cards work flawlessly with oss [01:52] lamont: control-center uploaded [01:52] seb128: thanks [01:52] np [01:53] seb128: once I finally get back home, I think I may just clear all the dep-wait.s.. [01:53] should be ok [02:09] mako: so is the key-signing bof scheduled already? [02:09] seb128: control-center given back === lamont dinners. bbiab [02:25] seb128: going to propose python-gnome2-extras for desktop? :) [02:25] yep [02:25] cool [02:26] but not today, that's time to sleep :) [02:26] and the packaging is stucked at this point [02:26] sleep well :) [02:27] aww, and i'm just uploading eog ;) [02:27] some of the new modules need the new gnome-vfs, new gnomevfs without vfolder -> new panel -> gnome-menu -> not released [02:27] heh [02:27] d'oh [02:27] so this part is for tomorrow :) [02:28] 'night guys === shaya [~spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-105-136.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] jdub: are you using mvo's apt-authentication stuff yet? [03:16] no [03:16] why not? :-) [03:16] I'd harrass everyone else, too, but you're awake [03:16] heh [03:16] maaaaaaan === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] it should be totally transparent if you only use Ubuntu sources [03:20] and other sources should present a nice warning prompt (apt-get) or dialog (synaptic) === alerios [~alerios@201.245.164.174] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [03:23] mdz: hrm, can't find the url === jdub thought it had been mentioned on the lists [03:23] jdub: deb http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mvo/apt-authentication/ / [03:23] it had === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Hoary is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html | Want to help? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | TEST ME: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-November/001743.html === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | TEST ME: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-November/001743.html [03:24] (hoary is old news :-P) [03:24] ;) [03:24] oof, there goes my entire packaging toolset ;) === Clint [~asdfasf@user-12hdtek.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] hey, there's no dpkg in there [03:28] off topic, but i know you guys are into this [03:28] is it worthwhile to switch to arch for a small project [03:29] tseng: absolutely [03:29] the best answer I can give is...almost :-) [03:30] tseng: there is a certain amount of pain involved in arch at the moment, which may not be offset by the benefits for a small project [03:30] tseng: it will progressively get better ;) [03:30] tseng: but that pain is actively being reduced [03:30] tseng: http://www.canonical.com/projects/bazaar/ [03:30] CVS is pain [03:33] tseng: if you're doing the sorts of things that make CVS painful, then by all means, go for arch [03:34] thanks for the link, ill try that once i grok the basics [03:35] the baz repository makes a good test case for the apt authentication code in /topic :-) [03:35] hm [03:35] ya back in gentoo they are still quibbling over how to validate/distribute keys [03:36] longest running project ever [03:37] im sure you folks will come up with a clever solution [03:40] that's the hardest part of the problem [03:40] our clever interim solution is to ship a key with the package [03:41] which can authenticate things in the Ubuntu archive [03:41] which works until someone along the line is compromised, the key is revoked, and you publish a new apt [03:41] i thought mvo disliked that solution? [03:42] but it fails to authenticaate with the new key [03:44] jdub: none of us are particularly happy with it in the long term [03:44] Release.gpg! [03:44] but it lets us bootstrap things [03:45] tseng: in the event of a key compromise, there isn't much to be done except validate by hand to get things going again [03:45] jdub: sorry about your oo bug, i was running in and out [03:45] whichwhat? [03:45] oh [03:45] yeah [03:45] i mis-duped you =/ [03:49] http://www.lalugs.org/#meetings [03:49] ^^ all the LUGs I can visit within an hour or so travel time [03:49] armed with a nice stack of CDs now [03:50] a LUG around here was crazy enough to ask me to speak at their mini-conf [03:51] http://cplug.net/conference [03:51] its like the selinux symposium after-party [03:53] nice [03:53] got ubuntu CDs? :-) === jdub wipes the ubuntu cds off his lip [03:54] no cds here [03:55] didn't order any, or they haven't arrived yet? [03:55] never ordered === mdz faints dead away [03:55] i didnt immediately grasp the concept [03:55] where do you live? I have some extra :-) [03:55] free cds, it felt like leeching [03:56] now that they are going out in mass shipments i realize the point [03:56] tseng: it's purposeful leeching :) [03:56] its like a dealer passing out his sweetest crack at the concert [03:56] mdz: PA [03:57] wrong coast [03:58] no, you're on the wrong coast [03:59] this time of year, he's on the proper coast [03:59] come summer time he'll be sorry [03:59] no, no, it's almost ski time [04:08] over here we have both a pleasant climate _and_ better skiing [04:09] 35 degrees C here :) [04:09] going up :) [04:10] mdz: I don't believe you. [04:12] I'll confess, I'm not much of a skier myself [04:12] but the mountains are, well, _bigger_ [04:12] I hear bad things about the wetness. [04:13] You're not counting the Rockies, are you? [04:15] of course === Clint grumbles. [04:16] that's a bit of a stretch from the coast [04:16] a few thousand miles closer to here than there :-P [04:27] lamont: that's a very good point re the keysigning [04:28] lamont: i will need to do that [04:28] mdz: they go fast [04:29] mako: when's the second lot of CDs going out? [04:29] mdz: i ordered nearly 400 that came in two boxes.. iD[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D just threw away the first box today [04:29] jd i've already sent the list [04:29] whoa [04:29] hr [04:29] ahr [04:29] ok [04:29] they should be going on this week [04:29] and the next couple === jdub will suffer with only an extra 200 ;) [04:30] i'm going to order like 300 more i think [04:30] i've been giving them out to people i meet in bars [04:30] seriously [04:31] people love it :) [04:32] everybody <3 ubuntu [04:37] mako: I ordered about 200; they came in ~10 bags [04:38] mdz: really?! :) [04:38] wow.. that sounds pretty annoying [04:38] XF86XK_AudioRaiseVolume [04:38] er [04:38] http://www.ice-nine.org/matt/pics/mjw/2004/11/29/ [04:38] about 10 of those [04:38] un/pw? [04:39] yin/yang [04:39] I was fairly sure the authentication dialog had the u/p in it :-) [04:39] yes, you did [04:39] omg, they have pr0n on the box [04:39] but my browser's cached it [04:39] i saw it just after i ask:) [04:39] that's actually a different matt's page === mdz points at m_tthew [04:40] yeah, we might as well have two matts [04:40] but that's the sort of bag they came in [04:40] we have two of everything else :) [04:41] we have more than two already :-) [04:41] excellent! [04:41] backups [04:41] mdz, mjg59, m_tthew off the top of my head [04:41] only one mako [04:41] but there is a guy who has posted a few times onto debian-devel named Ben Hill [04:42] he reads my blog and posts comments sometimes [04:42] how'd your nylug thing go? [04:42] Clint: i will post slides and stuff in the next couple days [04:42] Clint: it went really well i think [04:43] people seemed to be really into it [04:43] clint: i met with jimmy kaplowitz with greg pomerantz saturday night as well :) [04:43] only one jeff [04:43] i've taken out the others [04:43] sorry I missed that [04:44] Clint: nylug is a pretty good crowd.. it's a bit more formal than i'm used to in a LUG but the people are interested and active [04:44] yeah, they're the most suity of the NYC LUGs [04:44] Clint: heh, it's a little bit of a culture shock with me [04:44] Clint: i'm not so suity, to say the least [04:45] have you encountered the rival lugs yet? [04:45] i mean, i wear suits, but culturally [04:45] nylxs :) [04:45] yeah, there is that one that is super exclusive [04:45] like you can't become a member unless you write articles for them and do all this other crazy stuff [04:46] nylxs claims not to be a lug, no? [04:46] and there is the one seems to be the linux + BROOKLYISTHECENTEROFTHEUNIVERSE user group [04:46] yeah i think so [04:46] well, brooklyn is the center of the universe [04:46] fair enough :P [04:47] this is making me all nostalgic === Clint sobs. [04:47] also there is LXNY [04:47] or something like that [04:47] that seems to be mostly defunct but organized a talk with steve bourne [04:47] who convinced me to write an article on packaging [04:47] which is due tonight and which i am not done with [04:47] DOH [04:48] mako: thank you === steve [~steve@static24-72-62-185.regina.accesscomm.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:48] steve bourne was *super* interested in packages.. i think he'd never heard of them :) [04:48] lxny has the most interesting characters, IMO [04:49] so as part of this packaging article, i spent all yesterday afternoon having someone teach me about redhat packaging [04:49] OMG ITS INSANE [04:49] people like their .spec files [04:50] why would you ever want more than one file? [04:50] when he told me about the localization is ALSO done within the same single file i nearly lost it [04:51] the localization stuff seems pretty indefensible [04:52] one of those situations where you wonder if personaly teaching your users english would be a better use of time and effort than i18n/l10n for your software :) [05:17] mako: i18n of what exactly? [05:17] surely not the software itself [05:29] mako: it's just like a tarball of debian/*, only different... [05:32] seb128 is not here. bummer [05:36] i just switched network devices with netapplet [05:37] and it unmounted every filesystem [05:37] or something... [05:37] mmm [05:37] i had to remount /, mount /home and mount /proc [05:37] bizahr === lamont notices that he's very tired, decides to go to bed soon [05:56] g'night === lifeless_ [~robertc@dsl-253.4.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] mdz: everything that would bein the debian directory basically [06:08] mdz: so they have localized sections, descriptions, and a bunch of other thing [06:09] mdz: all in that one file :) === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [~robertc@dsl-253.4.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:21] so got acpi suspend to ram working disabling agp modules using nvidia driver, a first...and i have ques: can i file a bug regarding linuxant hsf modem support with ubuntu's bugzilla or am i barking up the wrong twig? [06:24] and last ques in 'gnome-pkgview' using hoary (report bugs when i can) i see alot of *-sharp gnome packages, is gnome-pkgview for real? === bitserf [~ljb@222-152-7-99.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] morning === hypa7ia [~leigh@67.71.84.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] morning [08:11] morning [08:11] dude [08:11] totem http://home.waugh.id.au:8800/ [08:11] or mplayer [08:11] or i guess you can load it up on your tv or something with mythtv ;) === pitti [~martin@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:14] jdub: gimme an on-line finger :) [08:14] two! two! [08:14] ARGH [08:14] again? [08:14] Morning [08:14] the stram just got interrupted [08:14] and again [08:14] your network sucks [08:14] my upstream b/w is horrific [08:15] AHHAHA [08:15] got them! [08:15] i'll kill the audio stream [08:15] jdub: what software are you using to drive that? [08:15] FLUMOTION [08:15] ffmpeg would do too [08:16] mizar:[~] apt-cache search flumotion [08:16] mizar:[~] [08:16] i used it to stream the tour the france in ericsson [08:16] mdz: it didn't build, still working on the package. [08:17] (only silly build-dep error; just uploaded it while elmo was awake) [08:17] stream's back [08:17] openoffice.org_1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4_source.changes ACCEPTED [08:17] woo [08:17] vorbis encoding is harsh on cpu [08:18] er, theora, rather [08:18] yes [08:18] and no hardware encoders [08:18] and we thought vorbis was an uphill battle :-P [08:18] heh [08:24] OMG [08:24] you are hugly at higher resolution [08:24] HAHA [08:24] hugly? great! hug me now! :) [08:25] do you mean spank me now? [08:25] ok.. [08:25] now.. get naked [08:25] heh [08:25] ECHAN for cyber! [08:25] AHHAHA [08:25] Ogg : Page out not synced, we skip some bytes [08:27] was cool to be streaming as well as saving to disk [08:27] jdub: remember to take the webcam to Mataro [08:27] so we can stream some stuff live [08:27] :) [08:28] yeah, using mataro as a test case for linux.conf.au === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] jdub: how bad is theora? [08:38] it sucks the life out of your cpu :) [08:38] to encode [08:38] but very little attention has been paid to optimisation so far [08:40] jdub: you could try ffmpeg [08:41] jdub: what kind of CPU do you need to do it real-time in decent quality? [08:41] Mithrandir: not sure, haven't spent enough time playing with it [08:41] fabbione: flumotion can encode anything gstreamer supports :) [08:43] http://www.onlamp.com/pub/wlg/5988 === thom wakes up, sees how much stuff there is still to pack in his room, and bursts into tears [08:45] "While some of its ideas and technologies may not be new, I feel Ubuntu offers a degree of refinment that's just not present in similar projects." [08:48] someone just said on -users that their machine was "incredibly faster" after switching from linux-386 to linux-686 [08:49] it's amazing what a little perception can do :-) [08:49] mdz: don't ask them to measure. :) [08:50] lol [08:50] do we know where daniels is? [08:50] yesterday he wasn't much around === Keybuk [scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === melazyboy [~melazyboy@tx-65-40-204-202.dyn.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] he has been active in Bugzilla === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed [~stuNNed@adsl-068-209-149-165.sip.msy.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] fabbione: he just followed up to a bug a few minutes ago [09:12] mdz: ok thanks [09:13] jdub: what's the latest on ubuntu-bugs? [09:13] i need to work out how to twiddle bugzilla i guess [09:14] thom: alternatively, you could hook me up with mysql privileges, since I seem to have inherited de facto bugzilla admin status for now === mdz wonders whether oo.o will land on the buildds which should have it still in ccache [09:16] sounds fine to me; can you send mail to admins since i'm surrounded by boxes currently? :/ [09:17] thom: I'd be perfectly happy with a warty-bugs->ubuntu-bugs alias for now === fabbione takes out his biggest cluebat [09:17] should I ping elmo on that? [09:18] prolly best right now, yeah [09:18] done [09:19] gah, tech board in <8 hours. bed soon [09:19] Bug#283578: ITP: hot-babe -- erotic graphical system activity monitor [09:19] *giggles* [09:19] we should schedule a different time for this stuff [09:20] mdz: such as? [09:20] what kind of hard drive does the X40 use? 1.8" or 2.5"? [09:20] maybe afternoon .au / late night .au / morning europe [09:20] er [09:20] afternoon .au / late night .us [09:20] mdz: MORNING EUROPE [09:21] morning <-- approximately 0700 local time [09:21] mdz: dude, late night .us is past any reasonable time for me and Mark :) [09:21] grah. APUE, UNP, and Applied Crypto are all great books, but bloody hell they weigh a tonne [09:21] anyway, bed [09:22] night all [09:22] night mdz [09:22] nite dude [09:22] oh, and Unix Power Tools just to add to the fun [09:23] thom: you're only going to .es, not .au [09:23] no dude, that's thursday [09:23] today i'm moving house [09:23] ahh [09:23] thom: have phun :) [09:24] heh, I swear my book shelf defies gravity [09:24] thom: you have all my understanding for the pain of moving [09:24] thom: good luck [09:24] APUE, TCP/IP 1, 2 & 3, UNP 1 & 2, Knuth 1, 2 & 3 and The C Standard [09:24] Keybuk: i'm beginning to think mine is a gaping hole in the space/time continuum [09:25] how far are you moving? [09:25] the worrying thing is that trotsky's history of the russian revolution outweighs applied cryptography by some margin [09:25] thom: why is that worrying? [09:26] which Russian Revolution? or does it cover all of them? [09:27] Mithrandir: the weightiest tome on my shelf is by a communist revolutionary terrorist! (or something) [09:27] Keybuk: The. ;-) [09:27] thom: he fought in his own country, then it's customary to call him freedom fighter. [09:27] Keybuk: probably the October revolution (the one that happened in November). [09:28] we don't call them terrorists anymore [09:28] we call them "Mr. President" [09:29] not when they're assassinated by order of the General Secretary of The Party. [09:29] Mithrandir: yeah [09:43] mdz: still here? === Todd_MA_1975 [~Todd_MA_1@h000f6632661b.ne.client2.attbi.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:56] Kamion: ping === calc_ [~ccheney@ip70-185-2-220.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~Michael@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] mdz: openssh DH_COMPAT> there's no reason to bump it really - I don't believe in raising build-deps unnecessarily anyway, and all the backporters would whine at me :) [10:14] fabbione: pong [10:15] Kamion: did sven luther get worst with his skizophrenia recently? [10:16] fabbione: it seems to ebb and flow [10:16] fabbione: why? [10:16] Kamion: because he doesn't even know how to count === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] or he lost such ability quite recently [10:16] :-) [10:17] heh [10:17] reference? 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