[12:00] <Myke> but, here it's not flat rate..
[12:00] <|trey|> keknehv: first 8 kb's or whatever...
[12:00] <Myke> we have downloads limits
[12:00] <|trey|> keknehv: which is the MBR
[12:00] <Myke> more than 4 Gb (in 1 mbps) per month and we pay extra
[12:00] <keknehv> ok...
[12:00] <candyman> the part that tries to partition
[12:00] <ogra> candyman: tried to switch your LBA settings in the BIOS ?
[12:00] <grape> thanks for the disks ubuntu :-)
[12:00] <candyman> just before, where it....
[12:00] <candyman> ah,
[12:00] <candyman> no, LBA in BIOS: check.
[12:01] <candyman> back in a jiffy. thanks keknehv and ogra.
[12:01] <keknehv> luckily, I know an ubuntu dev who walked me through the install process (compared to debian, it's a breeze)
[12:01] <socomm> Sorry Ubuntu isn't here right, please leave your name and number and we'll get back to you.
[12:01] <socomm> *beep*
[12:01] <grape> lol
[12:01] <ogra> candyman: i dunno which setting is right there.... so test it.....for some ppl it helps
[12:01] <ogra> socomm :)
[12:02] <grape> socomm: ubuntu already has my name and number ;-)
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> ahar, I can get 12gb downloads at 6mbit for $50aud/month
[12:02] <candyman> ogra, I just helps it also works with my other OS
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> which is the best value consumer net in .au
[12:02] <Myke> Hrdwr_BoB: how much is $50aud in real money? :p
[12:02] <keknehv> I get unlimited bandwith at 2mbit for $50US
[12:02] <ogra> hehe
[12:02] <keknehv> $25US
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: aud is realy money
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: ~75%
[12:02] <Hrdwr_BoB> keknehv: no
[12:02] <keknehv> oh
[12:02] <keknehv> sorry, old exchange rate
[12:02] <Myke> in euros? how much?
[12:02] <socomm> keknehv: what ISP?
[12:02] <keknehv> :P
[12:02] <keknehv> comcast
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> in euros? nfi, hangon
[12:03] <socomm> Bleh, cable.
[12:03] <keknehv> One thing stinks: you're not supposed to run web servers on it...
[12:03] <Myke> humm... maybe i could link to you guys by wireless... then use you net connection :D
[12:03] <daniels> AUD1 == GBP0.40
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> 29 euros
[12:03] <keknehv> socomm: I actually really want to get fiber optic ;D
[12:03] <Myke> uncaped 2 mbps for only 29 euros?
[12:03] <Myke> :(
[12:03] <Myke> ok... back to 3 world
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's 12gb capped
[12:03] <will_> which country? the UK?
[12:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> but yeah
[12:04] <Myke> for 22 euros, i can get (when available where i live) 10 Gb at 2 mbps
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> most australian net is ADSL for ~ 41 euros a month
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> you get 512kbit
[12:05] <will_> i have unlimited 8Mbit in sweden, if i was 50 meters closer to the exchange..i could have got 26Mbit !!
[12:05] <calc> for ~ 22E i can get 1mbps uncapped :)
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> with 10-20gb download limit
[12:05] <Pork> DROOL
[12:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> will_: damnit!
[12:05] <keknehv> will_: WOW
[12:05] <Myke> will_: how much?
[12:05] <socomm> For 5 Euros I can get 10 quarts of goat milk and a blank CD-R :^P
[12:06] <grape> lol
[12:06] <Pork> ive got unstable cable and the most ive ever gotten from it is about 500k/s
[12:06] <Myke> socomm: breast feeded? :p
[12:06] <Pork> mmm goat milk
[12:06] <will_> it costs 400 swedish crowns
[12:06] <socomm> calc: welcome too 2004.
[12:06] <mjr> In Helsinki, eg. 0.5/0.5M 24 /month, 8/1M 50 /month, ADSL2 12/1M 63 /month
[12:07] <calc> i'm not too surprised considering how crappy the US economy is
[12:07] <Myke> mjr for what i'm paying right now for, 512/128
[12:07] <will_> i think its about 35euro
[12:07] <Quest-Master> My god, I hope one day Ubuntu allows su. :(
[12:07] <Myke> there, i could get 8mbps/1mbps and still have money left for coffe
[12:07] <Myke> :|
[12:08] <will_> i get 8Mbit down, 1Mbit up :))
[12:08] <mjr> Quest-Master, sudo passwd if you really want it
[12:08] <ogra> Quest-Master: sudo is a sort of su ;)
[12:08] <Quest-Master> I know
[12:08] <calc> sudo su -
[12:08] <keknehv> Quest-Master: gksudo x-term :D
[12:08] <Myke> our 8 mbit service comes with only 400 kbps up
[12:08] <Quest-Master> But a lot of programs I know of use su
[12:08] <Myke> :|
[12:08] <socomm> Quest-Master: `sudo -s' `passwd' `exit' `su'
[12:08] <Quest-Master> Which I really can't change
[12:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: yeah we only get 384
[12:08] <Pork> lol calc
[12:08] <will_> Myke: thats a bit boring!
[12:08] <keknehv> Or go to "root terminal" in Applications-->System Tools
[12:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> 256 with 'normal' adsl
[12:08] <Quest-Master> Just gets annoying after a while x_x
[12:08] <ogra> keknehv: that was the exact opposite to vi /etc/fstab lol
[12:09] <Pork> the internet sucks now
[12:09] <Myke> well... i live 22 kms away from college...
[12:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> the problem is, in australia, the network is owned by telstra
[12:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> who owns almost all the DSLAMs
[12:09] <keknehv> ogra: what?
[12:09] <Myke> and, i'm in a project to build a wireless bridge into there...
 Quest-Master: gksudo x-term :D
[12:09] <dad> goodmorning Ogra
[12:09] <Myke> we have 200 mbps at university
[12:09] <keknehv> ogra: what about it?
[12:09] <ogra> dad: hi dad, good evening :)
[12:09] <Myke> so... i can max out a 50 wireless mbps link if i can build it :)
 keknehv: that was the exact opposite to vi /etc/fstab lol
[12:09] <keknehv> ogra: I'm still confused. How was that the opposite?
[12:10] <mjr> (in Tampere, Finland, the bastards get ADSL2+ 24M/1M for 63 /month ;)
[12:10] <Amaranth> gksudo gnome-terminal ;)
[12:10] <keknehv> that too
[12:10] <ogra> keknehv: gksudo x-term  100% gui, userfriendly, nice...... vi /etc/fstab .....
[12:10] <dad> in japan i get 100mbs optical cable for $45 au
[12:10] <ogra> hmm
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Does anyone know how to fix KMid so it stops saying "Cannot get access to /dev/sequencer; maybe another program is using it?"
[12:11] <Quest-Master> At first
[12:11] <zenwhen_> :(
[12:11] <Quest-Master> There was no /dev/sequencer
[12:11] <Quest-Master> So I made it
[12:11] <zenwhen_> wtf the color of undustrial changed
[12:11] <Amaranth> ...
[12:11] <Quest-Master> And gave users and root access to it
[12:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: wont help.....
[12:11] <Quest-Master> And it still doesn't work
[12:11] <Amaranth> you can't "create" it
[12:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: udev will delete it
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Hm
[12:11] <keknehv> Is 3GB swap space overkill if I only have 192M RAM?
[12:12] <Quest-Master> I think so
[12:12] <Quest-Master> :P
[12:12] <Amaranth> keknehv: i never used more then 512MB total RAM, so i'd say so
[12:12] <ogra> Quest-Master: you will need a actual sequencer device for it to appear
[12:12] <socomm> keknehv: yes.
[12:12] <Myke> keknehv: yes
[12:12] <keknehv> lol... (I KNEW it...)
[12:12] <mjr> keknehv, let's put it this way; if you ever need 3G swap, your system is already quite unusable ;)
[12:12] <Myke> so, why did you asked?
[12:13] <keknehv> Yah, I need to get more ram...
[12:13] <Quest-Master> ogra: And how do I get that?
[12:13] <Quest-Master> Midi works fine in Windows
[12:13] <Myke> i need to get a atx box :|
[12:13] <ogra> Quest-Master: by loading the right driver (module) if your soundcard supports it
[12:14] <keknehv> System (basic) specs: 700 MHz PII, 80GB 7200 RPM Seagate IDE/133,64MB PCI NvidiaMX440...
[12:14] <keknehv> It's a land of unbalanced stuff :D
[12:14] <Quest-Master> ogra: Any guides on how to do that?
[12:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> computers are disposable these days
[12:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> so incredibly cheap
[12:14] <Myke> hummm..
[12:15] <Myke> do you want to dispose some computers to my house? :)
[12:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> heh
[12:15] <Hrdwr_BoB> I just disposed about 20
[12:15] <Myke> :(
[12:16] <keknehv> AAAAHHH!!!
[12:16] <socomm> Hrdwr_BoB: why not keep them around?
[12:16] <Myke> 20... a perfecly nice cluster
[12:16] <keknehv> Hrdwr_BoB: HERESY!
[12:16] <matlads> hello
[12:16] <Myke> what where the specs of those computers?
[12:16] <keknehv> hello
[12:16] <socomm> Myke: Or repair parts.
[12:16] <matlads> can I install ubuntu's xorg cleanly on a sid system?
[12:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> socomm: because they were crap
[12:16] <Quest-Master> And, is Qt in the apt repos.?
[12:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> PII and below
[12:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> we only have so much space
[12:16] <Myke> i could use those computers...
[12:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> even in terms of the power they use for the computing power they provide
[12:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> Myke: yes and they were donated to .. some computing-group-or-other
[12:17] <keknehv> Just wondering... anyone have any idea if I can connect GNiall (basically AI) to IRC? Place IRC input into GNiall (It's a GTK-Input)
[12:17] <Myke> with the ones less than 400 mhz and more than 100 mhz, i would build hot spots for wireless
[12:17] <Myke> so i could hang them out in trees and such for higher coverage
[12:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> lol
[12:17] <keknehv> Myke: Weird picture. LOL
[12:18] <Myke> i have a very flat city
[12:18] <mjr> keknehv, you'd probably have to code some glue yourself
[12:18] <Myke> with 5 hot spots in the right places...
[12:18] <keknehv> Ack... ok
[12:18] <Myke> it would be possible to cover it all
[12:18] <keknehv> Myke: Wireless is less secure... ETHERNET SHALL RULE THE WORLD
[12:19] <socomm> Myke: Necessity, mother of all invention.
[12:19] <Myke> keknehv: try to have 4 kms ethernet cables
[12:19] <graham> hi. I just tried running straw on hoary and it fails. It doesn't appear to be compatible with the version of python-gnome installed. straw is in universe; will that kind of thing be dealt with before hoary is released?
[12:19] <socomm> Lazy Americans with their Ethernet cables.
[12:19] <Myke> just put two ap's and two antenas on roof tops and et voila, link
[12:19] <Myke> ipsec over the link and, perfecly secure
[12:19] <keknehv> Myke: a great start to a computer... 20 ~300MHz computers
[12:20] <keknehv> socomm: lol
[12:20] <keknehv> Are there any standard IRC accessing libs?
[12:20] <Myke> i made a 13 kms wireless link by mistake... :)
[12:20] <daniels> Myke: interesting
[12:20] <Myke> i was aiming at one friend on the same city at 3 kms...
[12:20] <daniels> Myke: most wireless firmware has a timeout of 10ms for packets
[12:20] <socomm> graham: maybe, report it to the mailing list.
[12:20] <Myke> and end up catching another friend in another city 13 kms away
[12:20] <Myke> (strait line)
[12:20] <daniels> Myke: doing a quick back-of-the-hand calculation on the speed of light, you wouldn't get more than three
[12:21] <graham> socomm, okay, thanks.
[12:21] <daniels> without hacking the firmware on whichever wireless hardware you were using
[12:21] <daniels> (three -> three kilometres)
[12:21] <Myke> daniels, 10 ms for light to travel 3 kms?
[12:21] <Myke> so... light travels at 300 kms per second?
[12:21] <keknehv> that's sortof bogus...
[12:21] <keknehv> LOL
[12:21] <keknehv> Slower than a speeding jet... LIGHT!
[12:22] <graham> fast jet
[12:22] <Myke> lol
[12:22] <graham> mach 1000
[12:22] <keknehv> graham: even more than that
[12:22] <Myke> daniels: at 13 kms i get around 4 ms pings
[12:23] <keknehv> Myke: what kind of connection is this?
[12:23] <daniels> er, sorry, microseconds
[12:23] <Myke> i get 400 kbps download in 802.11b
[12:23] <warty_> hihi
[12:23] <Myke> keknehv: wireless, b norm
[12:23] <keknehv> ...hello...
[12:23] <Myke> 11 mbps wireless
[12:23] <warty_> werent ppl saying that the lived cd's from shi it are messed?
[12:23] <daniels> Myke: really?
[12:23] <daniels> Myke: that's really amazing
[12:23] <keknehv> Myke: I thought it was limited to below 150ft
[12:23] <Myke> 400 Mbytes/s real speed
[12:23] <Myke> more wireless devices have 35 mw power
[12:24] <Myke> i just buy senao hardware, working at 200 mw
[12:24] <Myke> and connect them to a 24 dbi antenas
[12:24] <keknehv> Myke: You cranked up the power?
[12:24] <keknehv> Myke: well that explains it
[12:24] <Myke> no, they come like this from factory
[12:24] <daniels> Myke: the fact your pings travel 26km over an incredibly unreliable link in 4ms is quite staggering
[12:24] <daniels> Myke: not to mention the latency caused by hardware
[12:24] <Myke> the link it's quite stable
[12:24] <Myke> think in wireless frequencies a bit like light
[12:25] <Myke> you can't see what's in another side of the wall
[12:25] <eclipse> f
[12:25] <eclipse> d
[12:25] <daniels> Myke: so you don't get any packet loss whatsoever over 13km?
[12:25] <Myke> but, you can see a flashlight kms away with the right devices
[12:25] <graham> keknehv, eh? mach 1 == ~300 m/s -> 300 km/s is a 1000 times faster. or not?
[12:25] <candyman> this is really fucked up: the ubuntu install disk does not recognise my partitions, but the live one does!
[12:26] <candyman> wtf!
[12:26] <Myke> daniels: depends.. on the link...
[12:26] <keknehv> graham: NOOOO... mach 1 = ~300m/h Meters per HOUR... not second
[12:26] <daniels> Myke: zero packet loss over 13km is truly staggering
[12:26] <daniels> Myke: i commend you on your network engineering efforts
[12:26] <Myke> the link at 13 kms it's a clear sight link.. so, almost no packet loss.. no more than usual
[12:26] <graham> keknehv, I can walk 300 m in a hour.
[12:26] <usual> more than who
[12:26] <daniels> Myke: none caused by interference, of course
[12:26] <Myke> the one at 3 kms it's a bit tricky.. so, more packloss.. real 200 kbytes/s at 3 kms
[12:27] <ogra> graham: wow
[12:27] <daniels> you should document your experiences and loudly start recommending this hardware and show everyone yours etup
[12:27] <keknehv> graham: woops... that's 300km/h
[12:27] <daniels> because this truly is amazing wireless hardware -- congratulations again on your setup
[12:27] <daniels> look forward to seeing your site soon
[12:27] <Amaranth> wimax?
[12:27] <Myke> 300 km/h it's not match 1
[12:28] <keknehv> I get an error message when tring to run mysql. ryanh@pulaewe:~ $ mysql
[12:28] <keknehv> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[12:28] <Myke> daniels: it's not that amazing...
[12:28] <siimo> does any ubuntu user use Eclipse 3.0 ?
[12:28] <Myke> in arizona (if my memory is correct) the was a link at 70 kms
[12:28] <Myke> i saw it on slashdot
[12:28] <Amaranth> 13km ~= 6mi?
[12:28] <keknehv> slashdot is awesome
[12:28] <siimo> with the default ubuntu theme eclipse buttons are cut in half o_O
[12:28] <daniels> Myke: with stock wireless hardware, obviously
[12:28] <Quest-Master> Stupid /dev/sequencer
[12:29] <graham> keknehv, http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/souspe.html
[12:29] <keknehv> Did you see the article on Blu-Ray discs made out of corn?
[12:29] <Quest-Master> MURDER TIME
[12:29] <daniels> Myke: that they didn't aim, and just got there by accident
[12:29] <keknehv> so how do I get mysql working?
[12:29] <keknehv> error message:
 Myke: that they didn't aim, and just got there by accident
[12:29] <ogra> Quest-Master: tried: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss ?
[12:29] <keknehv> doh
[12:29] <ficusplanet> I just moved to hoary.  How do I make it automatically check for updates?
[12:29] <keknehv> ryanh@pulaewe:~ $ mysql
[12:29] <keknehv> ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[12:29] <Myke> they are in strait line...
[12:30] <graham> ficusplanet, why automatically? wouldn't you rather be around?
[12:30] <Myke> almost strait line...
[12:30] <keknehv> What do I run to start the MySql Server?
[12:30] <Myke> and the antenas give % amplitude coverage
[12:30] <Amaranth> 6mi wireless connection?
[12:30] <graham> keknehv, /etc/init.d/mysql start? (I've not got it)
[12:30] <ogra> ficusplanet: hoary is unstable.... you should check your updates all the time
[12:30] <Amaranth> damn, my router won't make it to the front porch
[12:30] <ficusplanet> I don't want to manually check for updates.  I want it to notify when they are available.
[12:30] <Myke> so, we got the signal in the antena... and when we saw the signal there... we just aimed it a litle better mesauring the link quality and power
[12:31] <Amaranth> brb
[12:31] <Myke> we have a portuguese site with all the activities our wireless comunity is doing... checkit out... http://wireless.com.pt
[12:31] <graham> ficusplanet, do an "apt-get update" and then an "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" to see what would happen. slap it in a cron job and it'll email you the output, then you can see if it would download anything if you ran it without -s
[12:31] <Zugot> what firewall software do you use on top of ubuntu?
[12:32] <Quest-Master> ogra: modprobe returns some syntax stuff
[12:32] <graham> Zugot, iptables
[12:32] <Myke> Zugot: gShield script
[12:32] <Quest-Master> ogra: snd-seq-oss isn't found
[12:32] <Quest-Master> Try to install it?
[12:32] <ficusplanet> graham, Are you sure there is a way to make the Ubuntu Update Manager just check for me?
[12:32] <Myke> Quest-Master: oss? why don't you try alsa?
[12:32] <ogra> Quest-Master: thats impossible, its in the standard kernel
[12:32] <ogra> Myke: that is alsa
[12:33] <Quest-Master> o_0
[12:33] <graham> ficusplanet, ah, synaptic? not sure. I imagine it would only be interactive, but I may be wrong.
[12:33] <Quest-Master> Well, it's not working apparently
[12:33] <Zugot> graham, i was looking for a package...
[12:33] <Zugot> hmm
[12:33] <ogra> Myke: its the oss emu.....needed for /dev/sequencer
[12:33] <Myke> oh... i just saw.. oss, was guessing it was from open sound system
[12:33] <graham> Zugot, there's firestarter, but I've never tried it so can't recommend...
[12:33] <ficusplanet> graham, No.  Ubuntu Update Manager.  If you're in Hoary, install update-manager and then look in your system tools menu.
[12:33] <siimo> Qo-noS, modprobe snd-seq-oss
[12:33] <ogra> Myke: its a bit confusing ;)
[12:33] <graham> ficusplanet, cool. downloading...
[12:33] <Quest-Master> I'm really having problems with apt-get
[12:33] <Quest-Master> :x
[12:34] <Quest-Master> It installs things, and then other programs can't find them
[12:34] <ogra> Quest-Master: what says: uname -r
[12:34] <Quest-Master> And I try to install them again, and apt-get insists they are installed
[12:34] <Quest-Master> Anyhow
[12:34] <Quest-Master> I'm trying that now ogra
[12:34] <Quest-Master> 2.6.8.1-3-386
[12:34] <ogra> Quest-Master: looks ok
[12:35] <ogra> Quest-Master: ls /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-*/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko
[12:35] <Myke> Quest-Master: do this: lsmod | grep snd
[12:35] <Zugot> what are the sources for warty?
[12:35] <Zugot> i don't have the ability to update from the cd
[12:36] <Zugot> nevermind... it was commented out in the sources.list file
[12:36] <Zugot> i need to stop rushing
[12:36] <ogra> hehe
[12:37] <Zugot> i just installed ubuntu to use as my router
[12:37] <Zugot> i'll put the wireless ap behind that
[12:37] <Zugot> i'm tired of routing through the ap... not enough control
[12:37] <Myke> Zugot: do you want to connect wireless to me? :)
[12:38] <dad> any way to rmv a full directory ?
[12:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> rm -r dir
[12:38] <Myke> rm -rf dir
[12:38] <dad> thnks
[12:38] <Myke> better use the f
[12:38] <Myke> or you will have to type "y" lots of times
[12:38] <Zugot> now i need to find a firestarter deb
[12:38] <Myke> also, rm doesn't move to trash
[12:39] <socomm> Zugot: firestarter is the Universe repo.
[12:39] <Myke> you can always use nautilus to remove that dir
[12:40] <ficusplanet> for anyone interested, upgrade-notifier will automatically check for updates in hoary
[12:40] <dad> thnks that was easy
[12:41] <Zugot> socomm, i see it now.... thanks
[12:41] <graham> ficusplanet, cool. I downloaded it and then typed "pkill -f gnome" to restart my panel. oops.
[12:41] <Zugot> using ubuntu after using gentoo for so long make everything seem way quicker
[12:42] <Quest-Master> ogra: Trying that now
[12:43] <Quest-Master> ogra: The first thing just returns itself
[12:43] <Quest-Master> Trying grep and lsmod
[12:43] <ogra> Quest-Master: or try: sudo modprobe snd-seq-device
[12:43] <graham> ficusplanet, have you managed to see a package's changes in update-manager? mine is giving me trace backs on the console.
[12:44] <Quest-Master> ogra: the second returns a bunch of values
[12:44] <Quest-Master> Wanna see them in #flood ogra?
[12:44] <ogra> Quest-Master: show thwm
[12:44] <ogra> them
[12:44] <ficusplanet> graham, It works fine for me.
[12:44] <Gmail> wb dad
[12:44] <graham> ficusplanet, must be my crap connection. it looks like DNS failures.
[12:45] <ogra> Quest-Master: ok, try: sudo modprobe snd-seq-device
[12:45] <graham> ah, I had a bad proxy variable set.
[12:45] <Quest-Master> Ok
[12:45] <riddley> if I'm *very* comfortable with upgrading distributions (say, testing->unstable) in Debian, should I find warty->hoary on AMD64 any more difficult? Also, how's Hoary's stability when compared to Debian stable?
[12:46] <Quest-Master> ogra: It doesn't return anything
[12:46] <ogra> Quest-Master: great
[12:46] <riddley> er s/compared to Debian stable/compared to Debian UNstable/
[12:46] <ogra> Quest-Master: is the /dev/sequencer there ?
[12:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> riddley: then you should be fine
[12:47] <Hrdwr_BoB> there will probably be a few issues
[12:47] <riddley> Hrdwr_BoB: thanks :)
[12:47] <Hrdwr_BoB> but as long as you're cool with that
[12:47] <Quest-Master> Well, the one I made is
[12:47] <Quest-Master> Otherwise, there wasn't one there
[12:47] <ogra> Quest-Master: the one you made wasnt working.....
[12:47] <Myke> Quest-Master: why do you need /dev/sequencer ?
[12:47] <Quest-Master> Seems not
[12:48] <Quest-Master> Myke: For KMid
[12:48] <riddley> anyone know why there's no gkrellm package for amd64 ?
[12:48] <ogra> Quest-Master: normally the device nodes in /dev are created by udev
[12:48] <ogra> Quest-Master: if the module for the device is loaded....
[12:48] <Quest-Master> ogra: I have no idea why it wouldn't
[12:49] <ogra> Quest-Master: funnily yout module listing shows all modules needed.....
[12:49] <ogra> Quest-Master: was this warty or hoary ?
[12:49] <Quest-Master> Warty.
[12:50] <ogra> Quest-Master: hmm, there it should work flawless
[12:50] <fissh> hi
[12:50] <coolio> hi
[12:50] <Quest-Master> ogra: Trouble seems to follow me EVERYWHERE in the Linux world.
[12:51] <coolio> I have a question about using the ruby scripting language and ubuntu
[12:51] <Quest-Master> Looks like it has caught up to me now in Ubuntu XD
[12:51] <ogra> Quest-Master: just dont give up.... :)
[12:51] <Quest-Master> I gave up on Suse, lol.
[12:51] <fissh> does any budy known how can i do $sudo modconf
[12:51] <fissh> ther? no modconf
[12:51] <Quest-Master> When I can't find any help anywhere, I give up and move to the next distro
[12:51] <ogra> Quest-Master: ubuntu is the most likely one to get over it.....
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Yeah, it's worked beautifully so far
[12:52] <Quest-Master> It's just those few problems that annoy me so much
[12:52] <graham> coolio, I don't use it, but fire away anyway.
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Plus, this is probably the IRC channel that has the most users anyhow XD
[12:52] <Myke> Quest-Master: sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
[12:52] <ogra> fissh: because modconf isnt there ?
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Everyone else has around 150
[12:52] <Quest-Master> Ok myke
[12:52] <coolio> After installing ruby with apt-get...why is the command for ruby "ruby1.8" but when you install from source it is just "ruby"
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Woot, it looks like that wasn't installed
[12:53] <socomm> coolio: there are different versions in the repo.
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Installing it now
[12:53] <Quest-Master> :D
[12:53] <socomm> coolio: meaning that each version installs its own binary for instance ruby1.8.
[12:53] <coolio> Is that normal for debian to label programs with version numbers...just make sure there is no confusion
[12:53] <ogra> Myke: i dont think this will solve the device issue
[12:53] <graham> coolio, have you installed ruby and ruby1.8? I'm guessing here, but I imagine the ruby package will manage a link that gives you /usr/bin/ruby
[12:54] <graham> coolio, debian has some rather cool stuff for managing alternative versions of stuff; the symlinks I just mentioned are the result
[12:54] <Myke> ogra: i'm looking into it... let me see :p
[12:54] <socomm> coolio: yes some programs and libraries do this.
[12:54] <socomm> coolio: some not most.
[12:54] <coolio> oh...ok...Thanks...I'll check that directory
[12:55] <graham> at least, that was what the python packages did last time I checked.
[12:55] <ogra> Quest-Master: look if there are any midi devices in the list from: cat /dev/sndstat
[12:55] <Myke> ogra: i believe that's some kind of lib so that oss programs use alsa
[12:55] <Myke> but, i couldn't test it yet...
[12:56] <ogra> Myke: hmm....but the app checks for a working /dev/sequencer apparently
[12:56] <coolio> Thanks alot...makes sense
[12:56] <graham> night
[12:57] <Zugot> what program can i use to graphically install and remove programs?
[12:57] <ogra> Zugot: synaptic
[12:58] <ogra> Zugot: Computer->System Tools->Synaptic
[12:58] <Zugot> ogra... i'm not using gnome... i'll just run it from the command line
[12:58] <fissh> thanks ogra
[12:58] <fissh> bye
[12:58] <ogra> Zugot: sudo synaptic , or gksudo synaptic
[12:59] <Myke> just did: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss
[12:59] <Myke> and problem solved
[01:00] <Tsjoklat> Zugot: or use kpackage
[01:00] <ogra> Myke: thats what i tried first
[01:00] <Myke> but, can't be sure that stock kernel also works... (i build my recently)
[01:00] <Myke> but, the module is there.. comes with 2.6.8.1
[01:00] <ogra> Myke: stock works....
[01:01] <ogra> Myke: its already loaded according to his lsmod output
[01:01] <Myke> well... he has to: rmmod snq-seq-oss
[01:01] <Myke> rm /dev/sequencer
[01:01] <Myke> that he created
[01:01] <Myke> then modprobe once more
[01:03] <coolio> #quit
[01:03] <coolio> quit
[01:03] <Myke> anyone here managed to put suspend to disk working?
[01:03] <Myke> coolio: try using /quit :p
[01:03] <socomm> coolio: /quit
[01:03] <coolio> thanks
[01:03] <ogra> Myke: tried the howto ?
[01:03] <chitiri> which jabber client would you recommend to do jabber administrative tasks ?
[01:03] <Myke> ogra: i did it last night
[01:04] <Myke> i just don't seam capable of mixing it with bottsplash
[01:04] <ogra> Myke: bah bootsplash
[01:04] <Myke> :D
[01:04] <Myke> it would look cool...
[01:04] <Myke> but... my "cool" definition would probably get me killed by most linux fans
[01:05] <Myke> usplash?
[01:05] <Myke> what's that?
[01:06] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/USplash
[01:08] <Skwid_> http://shweet.bendug.org/~mark/
[01:08] <Skwid_> dude
[01:09] <Skwid_> these are sweet
[01:10] <socomm> Skwid_: thanks for the link.
[01:10] <Myke> so sweet
[01:11] <Myke> just changed my wallpaper :)
[01:11] <Myke> i like "ubuntu onfire" :)
[01:11] <chitiri> do exists something like packages.debian.org for ubuntu?
[01:11] <Skwid_> i like the blue one
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: not yet
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: but it is planned
[01:12] <chitiri> ok
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: for now use synaptic.....
[01:12] <Pork> theyre all so low res
[01:12] <ogra> chitiri: or apt-cache / apt-file
[01:13] <GotD0t> anybody know why those OOo packages in hoary don't upgrade?
[01:13] <Rene_S> Did anyone do a warty to hoary update today ?  And if you did, did you experience any problems ?
[01:13] <GotD0t> Rene_S: what seems to be your problem?
[01:13] <ogra> Pork: look on the mailing list for announcements from volvoguy, he makes svg backgrounds....(never seen them though)
[01:14] <grape> Rene_S: no problems here on hoary
[01:14] <Rene_S> GotD0t, not everything updated cleanly, as a matter of fact it didnt download the panel or the control centre
[01:14] <bytecoder> I've been hearing a lot about Hoary lately. Can anyone tell me what's so special about it compared to Warty?
[01:14] <GotD0t> Rene_S: define not updated cleanly
[01:14] <Quest-Master> Myke: Installed that package
[01:14] <ogra> bytecoder: its unstable/development
[01:15] <bytecoder> ogra: I know, I was talking feature-wise
[01:15] <socomm> Rene_S: dist-upgrade
[01:15] <ogra> bytecoder: me too ;)
[01:15] <Rene_S> Well normally when i do a system upgrade all the things that can be updated are.  Today they were not,
[01:15] <Quest-Master> ogra, doing cat /dev/sndstat now
[01:15] <ogra> Quest-Master: look for midi
[01:15] <Myke> just noticed something
[01:15] <Quest-Master> Wow, it's there
[01:16] <Rene_S> Its not that big of a deal, I just wondering if I missed something or if i did something wrong
[01:16] <GotD0t> Rene_S: what packages were not updated
[01:16] <Myke> since my upgrade samba (the recent security updates)
[01:16] <Myke> i can't see my local network in nautilus
[01:16] <candyman> I think I have found the problem with my disk, if someone wants to follow me to #flood I can paste the partition table for you. I don't know how to fix it, though.
[01:16] <grape> hmm something was wonky with grabbing time from the ntp server...
[01:16] <Quest-Master> YESYESYESYESYES
[01:16] <Quest-Master> Thank you myke and ogra :D
[01:16] <candyman> say when
[01:16] <ogra> Quest-Master :)
[01:16] <grape> but that's whatcha get running unstable ;-)
[01:16] <Rene_S> gnome-panel, gnome-control centre, evolution capplets and someothers i forgot to write down
[01:16] <Myke> Quest-Master: did it work?
[01:16] <Quest-Master> Of course :D
[01:16] <Quest-Master> Thanks
[01:17] <Myke> what was the problem?
[01:17] <Quest-Master> That driver.
[01:17] <Myke> your hand made dir?
[01:17] <Quest-Master> No
[01:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: add snd-seq-oss to /etc/modules
[01:17] <Quest-Master> It was the driver which wasn't installed
[01:17] <Quest-Master> Ok
[01:17] <ogra> Quest-Master: so its loaded on boot
[01:17] <GotD0t> Rene_S: i dont think its a problem... you can try selecting them by hand if you want
[01:17] <speel> hey does ubuntu have a security patch repository?
[01:18] <Rene_S> when i do that i get a libxklavier dependency problem, apparently it wants 9 and 8 and 10 are on the servers
[01:18] <ogra> speel: look in your sources.list/synaptic repositorys
[01:19] <Matt|> hi all. When new windows appear in metacity, they are not automatically the active window. Does anyone know how to change this?
[01:19] <Rene_S> I am gonna try it again, it may have been a glitch, basically just wondering if they broke something today or not
[01:19] <speel> no secuirty repos come with the stock install im asking if there is any i can add
[01:20] <ogra> speel: they are in the default sources.list
[01:20] <ogra> speel: just enable them
[01:20] <Myke> anyone here stoped seeing lan members after samba upgrade?
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Hm
[01:21] <ogra> ?
[01:21] <Quest-Master> The MIDI is playing.. except I can't hear it
[01:21] <ogra> Quest-Master: volume control ?
[01:21] <Myke> Quest-Master: use the mixer to put it up
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:21] <Quest-Master> I put them all up, still can't hear it
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Going to look at the other options
[01:22] <Quest-Master> Which one represents the MIDI output?
[01:23] <ogra> Quest-Master: good question....just turn them all up a bit....
[01:23] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[01:23] <Matt|> no one for the metacity question?
[01:24] <Matt|> Quest-Master, make sure none of em are muted :)
[01:24] <ogra> Matt|: looks like a hoary bug
[01:24] <WebMaven> hello folks.
[01:25] <WebMaven> is this the correct place to report a problem with Shipit?
[01:25] <Matt|> ogra, yeah? It's been like this for a while
[01:25] <ogra> WebMaven: tell us, but better file a bug or write to the mailing list to make it not disappear
[01:26] <Skwid_> http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=160&PHPSESSID=9f7def1293e3311082589f8746b62296
[01:26] <Skwid_> a lot of ubuntu stuff on there too :)
[01:26] <ogra> Matt|: probably preparation for xcompmgr ?
[01:27] <Quest-Master> I should look at the Alsa Mixer right?
[01:27] <Matt|> ogra, oh i'm not sure. try it on your hoary box: the window comes to the top ok, but is not highlighted. So for example, when you close firefox and there are more tabs open, you get the little prompt up, but it is not active window
[01:27] <ogra> Quest-Master: if in doubt.... on both :)
[01:28] <ogra> Matt|: i noticed it already.... but didnt look deeper into it
[01:28] <Matt|> ogra, ok as long as its not me and there is no obvious fix
[01:28] <Bunbu> hello everyone. This is the first time that I use IRC so I ignore the proper etiquette.
[01:29] <ogra> Matt|: look in gconf-editor if there is an option...dunno
[01:29] <Matt|> ogra, yeah have looked
[01:29] <Matt|> ogra, 3159
[01:29] <Bunbu> I have a problem with totem, it works fine when is windowed but when I play any video full screen it just disappears.
[01:30] <socomm> Bunbu: you mean crashes.
[01:30] <Quest-Master> x_x, nothing's working
[01:31] <Bunbu> I guess but I don't receive any error message, totem just disappears from my desktop.
[01:33] <ogra> Bunbu: warty or hoary ?
[01:33] <Bunbu> warty
[01:33] <ogra> Bunbu: totem or totem-xine ?
[01:33] <Bunbu> totem
[01:33] <Quest-Master> Argh
[01:33] <Bunbu> totem-xine works ok
[01:34] <candyman> hey, what kernel does ubuntu-installer run?
[01:34] <candyman> is it the same as ubuntu-live?
[01:35] <ogra> Matt|: looks like 3159, yes
[01:35] <Matt|> ogra, yeah that is it
[01:35] <Quest-Master> Bunbu: That happens to me too every now and then with lots of programs
[01:36] <duncanm> any have experience setting up SCIM/UIM on ubuntu?
[01:36] <Quest-Master> Got so far, and had to get stuck on Volume Control
[01:36] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:36] <ogra> candyman: the kernels may be similar, but the hw detection system on the live cd is different i guess
[01:36] <Bunbu> it just happens with totem. I think it has something to do with gstreamer cause gxine and totem-xine work alright
[01:37] <Matt|> nite all
[01:37] <ogra> Quest-Master: the modules may be loaded in the wrong order, or your hand created device broke it.....
[01:37] <candyman> well, the problem seems to be a 137 GB limit with disks, or so I'm tlod
[01:37] <Quest-Master> :(
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Should I delete the /dev/sequencer and reboot?
[01:37] <ogra> Quest-Master: udev will clean /dev on next boot...
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Or just reboot?
[01:37] <Quest-Master> Ok
[01:38] <Gwildor> .join #beatrix
[01:38] <Quest-Master> I'll do that then
[01:38] <A|F> Hello how do i know if I have hoary already?
[01:38] <ogra> Quest-Master: that will clean /dev
[01:38] <Quest-Master> ok
[01:38] <Quest-Master> :)
[01:38] <Gwildor> A|F, did you change your sourcelist, and apt-get upgrade?
[01:39] <Rob|Linux> Gwildor, I changed my sourcelist through synaptic ( changed warty to haory ) and did the smart upgrade through synaptic too
[01:39] <Gwildor> Rob|Linux, then you are hoary
[01:39] <giard> what's the easiest way to see which package provides a certain file?
[01:39] <giard> I'm looking for Xauth.h
[01:40] <Rob|Linux> when I had mandrake I would go into the console and type something and it said mandrakelinux official for the i586 , how do you dothat n ubuntu
[01:40] <ogra> giard: you could install apt-file
[01:40] <Dethread> uname -a ?
[01:40] <ogra> Rob|Linux: cat /etc/issue
[01:41] <WebMaven> ogra, I ordered 5 i386 CDs and 5 AMD64, and got 10 i386.
[01:41] <ogra> WebMaven: damnit...thats bad....
[01:41] <Rob|Linux> yea
[01:42] <giard> ogra, do I just run "apt-file search Xauth.h"?
[01:42] <WebMaven> It *might* have been that I originally ordered 10 i386, but changed it 5 minutes later.
[01:42] <Rob|Linux> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[01:42] <ogra> giard: first apt-file update
[01:42] <ogra> giard: afterwards...yes
[01:43] <WebMaven> ogra, so, I have now changed it again (after receiving the CDs) to 20 AMD64.
[01:43] <giard> ogra, ah!  thanks
[01:43] <ogra> WebMaven: post it to the mailing list (ubuntu-users i guess)
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> hello..will i be able to fix grup if i have to reinstall windows on dual boot system?
[01:43] <Cloudchaser> thats grub :) not grup
[01:43] <ogra> giard: its like packages.debian.org without web interface :)
[01:43] <clee> ogra: yeah, you'll be able to fix it
[01:43] <zapada_> how do I know if my ubuntu CD's have beenshipped or not?
[01:44] <WebMaven> ogra, So, can I expect to get more CDs, or do edits just not affect the shipit system?
[01:44] <giard> how strange
[01:44] <giard> so, I have the package installed
[01:44] <ogra> WebMaven: i am not sure....i got 10 i386 as ordered....
[01:44] <giard> but I don't see the file
[01:44] <WebMaven> zapada_, the shipit system will only show if the order has been sent to the manufacturer.
[01:44] <zapada_> ok
[01:45] <zapada_> I don't see anything changed
[01:45] <zapada_> and I ordered nov 14th
[01:45] <WebMaven> ogra, but, I'm assuming you didn't change your order?
[01:45] <Myke> strange... i can acess smb://computer in nautilus.. but it no longer finds those computers right away... so, i don't see the computers in my lan when in network folder :|
[01:45] <ogra> WebMaven: i added some ppc and amd64 later.... so i assume, if i get them i get them far later
[01:45] <WebMaven> zapada_, it will take a while, but that page will eventually show whether the CD order has been sent to the manufacturer (at the top of the page).
[01:46] <ogra> giard: xlibs-static-dev is installed ?
[01:46] <WebMaven> ogra, Hmm.
[01:46] <yann_> hi :)
[01:46] <WebMaven> OK, Maybe so.
[01:46] <Quest-Master> Hey
[01:46] <Quest-Master> Well, ogra, it didn't work
[01:46] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:46] <yann_> I'm french, and considering opening a french ubuntu-fan site
[01:46] <WebMaven> ogra, OK, I will send it to the mailing list.
[01:46] <WebMaven> thanks.
[01:46] <yann_> ubuntu-fr.org, why not
[01:46] <ogra> Quest-Master: claning /dev didnt work ?
[01:46] <yann_> would that be ok for ubuntu developpers?
[01:46] <Quest-Master> I'm not French, but I know a good amount :)
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Took it as Foreign Language :D
[01:47] <Quest-Master> ogra: Dunno if it did
[01:47] <Quest-Master> But it still isn't coming out of those darn speakers XD
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Oh.
[01:47] <ogra> Quest-Master: look if /dev/sequencer is gone now
[01:47] <zapada_> I WANT UBUNTU!
[01:47] <Quest-Master> And I believe no MIDI output is being produced
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Which might be why I can't hear it, lol
[01:47] <Dethread> zapada: ?
[01:47] <ogra> zapada_: download it
[01:47] <zapada_> I cant
[01:47] <giard> ogra:  yeap, and I'm looking at it dpkg-query -L output, and I don't see Xauth.h
[01:47] <zapada_> 56k :(
[01:47] <zapada_> that's why I ordered CDs
[01:47] <Quest-Master> Order a CD!
[01:47] <zapada_> I DID
[01:48] <giard> ogra:  unfortunately the problem might just be that I'm using hoary
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Ah, good :)
[01:48] <samrolken> Is this the right place to ask a question about the gnoppix livecd?
[01:48] <zapada_> its been since Nov. 14 since I ordered
[01:48] <zapada_> and no updates
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Most likely not
[01:48] <ogra> Quest-Master: what does cat /dev/sndstat say now ?
[01:48] <Quest-Master> Hmm
[01:48] <Gwildor> zapada_, mine shipped the 11th, i just got them today
[01:48] <ogra> zapada_: they take some time
[01:48] <zapada_> damn
[01:48] <zapada_> ok
[01:48] <Quest-Master> I'll show in #flood
[01:48] <zapada_> could I get them before xmas? :)
[01:48] <zapada_> would be a nice present
[01:49] <ogra> giard: hehe, no xlibs-static-dev then i guess ....hoary == xorg
[01:49] <samrolken> Where would I find some help with a question about the gnoppix livecd?
[01:49] <socomm> samrolken: #gnoppix?
[01:50] <Gwildor> why wont OOo upgrade, in synaptic, hoary, when i do a smart upgrade, all of the OOo packages get left behind <not to be upgraded>
[01:50] <socomm> samrolken: guess not.
[01:50] <Quest-Master> ogra: Showed it in #flood
[01:50] <Quest-Master> Look at it fast before zapada's webpage takes over!
[01:50] <ogra> Quest-Master: could hardly read it....
[01:50] <Quest-Master> Paste it again then?
[01:50] <Myke> ppl, any idea, why when i go to: network:/// in nautilus i can't see any other computer?
[01:50] <ogra> Quest-Master: nope.... midi seems there
[01:51] <giard> ogra:  Ahhh!  got it, it's called "libxau-dev"
[01:51] <Quest-Master> There
[01:51] <Quest-Master> What could it possibly be then? :(
[01:52] <ogra> Quest-Master: try: lsmod|grep snd_seq
[01:53] <zapada_> UBUNTU MUST COME TO ME
[01:53] <Quest-Master> There, it's in #flood ogra
[01:54] <ogra> Quest-Master: no snd_seq_device ?
[01:54] <ogra> ahh, see it
[01:54] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[01:56] <Quest-Master> What it could it be.
[01:56] <lupus_> I have a multimedia keyboard
[01:56] <lupus_> and started xev
[01:56] <ogra> Quest-Master: look in /dev for sequencer, then try an additional: sudo modprobe snd_seq_oss and look again
[01:56] <lupus_> but with 7 keys
[01:56] <lupus_> I don't get any debug info
[01:57] <Quest-Master> Ok ogra.
[01:58] <Quest-Master> ogra: There's no folder called sequencer, but there is a file
[01:59] <ogra> Quest-Master: thats ok... was it there before the modprobe command ?
[01:59] <Quest-Master> I didn't check
[01:59] <ogra> argh
[01:59] <illustre> can someone define ubuntu for me?
[01:59] <zapada_> a linux distro.
[01:59] <ogra> illustre: humanity to others
[01:59] <illustre> source rpms what format?
[02:00] <zapada_> is ubuntu really based in isle of man?
[02:00] <yann_> well, french support site for ubuntu coming soon, i hope :)
[02:00] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/meaning-of-ubuntu
[02:00] <illustre> what is warty
[02:00] <mjr> "Come to the Isle of Man. Please."
[02:00] <zapada_> je suis francais
[02:00] <ogra> illustre: the stable release
[02:00] <ogra> illustre: warty warthog
[02:00] <illustre> is it a source oriented distro?  rpms?
[02:00] <ogra> Quest-Master: chack kmidi
[02:01] <yann_> lo zapada :)
[02:01] <ogra> illustre: debian based
[02:01] <ogra> illustre: gnome based
[02:01] <mjr> hmm, so more presicely, ubuntu is Zulu?
[02:01] <EfaistOs> hi
[02:01] <mjr> good to know, somebody asked me that :)
[02:01] <illustre> ohhh i like that gnome based
[02:01] <EfaistOs> is there some problems in hoary tonight ?
[02:01] <Quest-Master> KMid you mean right ogra?
[02:02] <ogra> Quest-Master: yep....(last time i used kde was about 1.2)
[02:02] <Quest-Master> Oh, rofl
[02:02] <illustre> downloding live iso shut 9 hours to go on my dsl connection
[02:02] <Quest-Master> I'm back on KDE.. even though I love Gnome to death
[02:02] <Quest-Master> Btw, it's still not working
[02:02] <ogra> Quest-Master: why do you use kde then, if you like gnome this much ?
[02:03] <illustre> ogra: main hq where?
[02:03] <Quest-Master> I feel in outer space when I use Gnome XD
[02:03] <Quest-Master> Like, I don't have full control over my computer
[02:03] <ogra> illustre: living room of mark shuttleworth probably
[02:03] <illustre> ogra: and he is ?
[02:03] <Quest-Master> And I don't know what I am doing or such (even though really I do, but yeah, it's just that feeling)
[02:03] <Quest-Master> I hope they address that in the next Gnome release
[02:04] <ogra> illustre: the nice guy who pays for it all
[02:04] <zapada_> is ubuntu rich?
[02:04] <zapada_> they pay to ship their CDs
[02:04] <zapada_> that incredable
[02:04] <zapada_> I love you ALL
[02:04] <ogra> illustre: google for him
[02:05] <Quest-Master> Do you guys know how he got so rich?
[02:05] <ogra> Quest-Master: he founded thawte
[02:05] <Quest-Master> What's that?
[02:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: a security company (encryption and such)
[02:06] <pcnerd37> Can anybody tell me what AMD processors does Ubuntu Linux support?
[02:06] <ogra> pcnerd37: all ?
[02:06] <pcnerd37> if possible
[02:06] <ogra> pcnerd37: all
[02:06] <ogra> pcnerd37: i think
[02:06] <pcnerd37> im mainly curious if it supports the AMD Althon XP 2600+?
[02:06] <zapada_> who created thawte""?
[02:07] <ogra> pcnerd37: pretty sure
[02:07] <pcnerd37> ok, thanks alot ogra
[02:07] <illustre> ogra :where is he from?
[02:07] <Quest-Master> Still no MIDI output ;-;
[02:07] <pcnerd37> i got my big package of cds today and i was just curious to make sure it would run on my system
[02:07] <ogra> pcnerd37: install linux-image-k7 after installation
[02:08] <pcnerd37> where can i get that?
[02:08] <pcnerd37> and what does it do?
[02:08] <ogra> pcnerd37: use the i386 cd for athlon
[02:08] <pcnerd37> ok
[02:08] <ogra> pcnerd37: that is the athlon optimized kernel
[02:08] <Poof> Hello All! I just installed Ubuntu on my AMD 64, I have 2 hard disks and i wanted to make it a dual boot system, I have Window$ installed already... When installer reached GRUB it does not see the windows partition, so I let it finish without doing grub... is there a way for me to boot into Ubuntu?
[02:09] <ogra> Quest-Master: sorry, no idea anymore...im not too good in midi....
[02:09] <pcnerd37> i dont think i have the i386 cd, the only one that makes reference to AMD is the AMD64/EM64T edition
[02:09] <Quest-Master> Aww
[02:09] <Quest-Master> :(
[02:09] <Quest-Master> Do any of you guys still use Windows anywhere?
[02:09] <mroth> does anyone know what the kernel target is for hoary?  i'm not seeing any discussion in the -devel list
[02:09] <ogra> pcnerd37: but you got an AMD32 which is similar to i386
[02:09] <Myke> Quest-Master: yes
[02:09] <Myke> well... kind of...
[02:09] <mjr> Quest-Master, I haven't used windows for years, except for the occasional ssh client need
[02:09] <Quest-Master> lol
[02:10] <Mesta> hey guys, I hate to ask this but I stuck ubuntu on my brother's CD and now he wants to put windoze back on (believe it), anyway he gets a ubuntu backsplash.  How does he boot from the windoze CD?
[02:10] <ogra> Quest-Master: nope, nowhere
[02:10] <keknehv> Mesta: take out the ubuntu cd, then restart
[02:10] <pcnerd37> the cds that i got are the Power PC edition, the previously mentioned AMD cd, and the Intel x86 cd
[02:10] <Quest-Master> I've got to get these MIDIs working
[02:11] <Quest-Master> Where do you live ogra?
[02:11] <Mesta> there is on ubuntu CD.  It is already installed. It's windoze he wants to boot from.
[02:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: sorry... no idea anymore
[02:11] <Quest-Master> 8:11 EST :)
[02:11] <ogra> Quest-Master: germany
[02:11] <Quest-Master> Ah
[02:11] <Poof> is there a way i can boot from CDROM to Ubunto?
[02:12] <ogra> Mesta: take the CD out of the drive
[02:12] <riddley> what's the best way to get around the libxklavier9 issue with gnome on amd64 right now? equivs?
[02:12] <ogra> Quest-Master: morning ?
[02:12] <Quest-Master> Night.
[02:12] <Quest-Master> :P
[02:13] <Mesta> keknehv orga:  Take the CD out and inicite the stupid windoze install while booted from ubuntu?
[02:14] <riddley> it appears that libxklavier10 replaced it, but capplets still depends upon it.
[02:14] <pcnerd37> which cd is the i386 CD?
[02:15] <pcnerd37> i just checked the order form that i orded my cds from, and there is no mention of the i386 cd to be able to order it
[02:17] <riddley> netsplit?
[02:17] <Poof> 0o
[02:17] <Poof> o0
[02:18] <ogra> Mesta: logout from ubuntu and take the cd out....restart the computer....
[02:18] <pcnerd37> apparently im not going to get an answer on my last question
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> well fooey i think i'll have to start all over and reinstall ubuntu
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> :(
[02:18] <ogra> pcnerd37: i thought they are there
[02:18] <Cloudchaser> i've just gotten it all set up nicely
[02:19] <riddley> Cloudchaser back up your home dir and important files prior to reinstall...
[02:19] <Cloudchaser> well i don't have any important files really
[02:19] <pcnerd37> the only ones i was able to order is the Power PC cd, the Intex x86 cd, and the AMD64/EM64T cd
[02:19] <ogra> pcnerd37: they are called Intel/x86
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> just my installation with all the media stuff but i can follow that nice ubuntu starters how-to again
[02:20] <ogra> pcnerd37: i386 is equal to Intel/x86
[02:20] <Cloudchaser> i just hope i can remember how to do all the stuff i did
[02:21] <pcnerd37> really?, ok, great.  The Intel threw me off
[02:21] <ogra> pcnerd37: which is equal to amd32
[02:21] <pcnerd37> ah, ok, good
[02:21] <ogra> pcnerd37: amd64 is opteron and such
[02:21] <pcnerd37> will Ununtu run on my Acer Aspire 2012 notebook with the Centrino setup at 1.5GHZ?
[02:21] <illustre> i like what i am reading at home page looks i will try this distro, i am happy with the one i use but ill try this just in case :-)
[02:22] <pcnerd37> yea, AMD64 i knew
[02:22] <ogra> pcnerd37: yep it will run
[02:22] <pcnerd37> sweet
[02:22] <ogra> illustre: good idea
[02:22] <ogra> :)
[02:23] <pcnerd37> my hard drive is all one big partition, is there any free partitioning program that i can shrink the partition and make another for another OS like Ubuntu?
[02:24] <wig> how do i add a root user in ubuntu?
[02:24] <illustre> ogra: does it bring wireless support for laptops?
[02:24] <Amaranth> wig: don't, use sudo
[02:24] <wig> Amaranth: how come?
[02:24] <wig> Amaranth: and how should i use it, ive always used su
[02:25] <ogra> wig: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:25] <Amaranth> sudo command
[02:25] <Cloudchaser> can ubuntu installer CD repair grub without removing my installation of ubuntu?
[02:25] <ogra> illustre: yep
[02:25] <wig> Amaranth: so just "sudo" and it goes to root?
[02:25] <ogra> wig: read the wiki
[02:25] <wig> ogra: this is for personal support, i'd rather have that. :)
[02:25] <Poof> is there a way for me to boot into ubuntu from the install CD? A commandline? Grub did not install
[02:26] <Cloudchaser> poof thats kinda related to my question so hopefully i'll hear an answer that will help me too ;)
[02:26] <ogra> wig: then read it afterwards... its good to know if you use sudo and ubuntu
[02:26] <illustre> ogra: mmmmm schooltool as well diff project ?
[02:27] <Poof> I guess we might just have to get a Bootloader
[02:27] <ogra> illustre: ??
[02:28] <illustre> ogra: i saw on his page a project called schooltool  i like that something i might need  http://www.schooltool.org/schoolbell
[02:28] <wig> one more question. what can i use in ubuntu to use dial up connection?
[02:30] <ogra> wig: pppconfig or wvdial
[02:30] <wig> thank you
[02:31] <transzorp> so just out of curiosity has anyone tried booting a kernel using grub 2.0 on ppc? I've heard it now has support for ppc
[02:32] <NewNick> anyone have a X300 card running properly?
[02:32] <NewNick> like a 9700 pro
[02:32] <Zugot> good luck
[02:32] <NewNick> fglrxinfo says that im using a 9600 pro when im using a 9700 pro :(
[02:33] <NewNick> gah
[02:33] <Zugot> i sold my 9800 xt because it caused some much trouble
[02:33] <NewNick> damn them
[02:33] <Zugot> i'm back to my nvidia ti4600
[02:33] <Myke> NewNick: are there any diference between the two boards?
[02:33] <Zugot> (which isn't a bad card)
[02:33] <Myke> or just same chip diferent speeds?
[02:33] <NewNick> yea - my 9700 pro is much more powerful
[02:33] <NewNick> its limiting my gpu's capabilities
[02:33] <NewNick> cause it doesn't know it has them
[02:33] <NewNick> gah
[02:34] <Myke> NewNick: if it's the same chip but, with diferent speeds
[02:34] <Zugot> NewNick, what exactly are you going to be doing with it in X?
[02:34] <Myke> like geforce ti 4200, ti 4400 and so on..
[02:34] <NewNick> well it would be great if I could play w3x :)
[02:34] <Myke> then, you don't have a problem
[02:35] <NewNick> I tried CHIPIDing in my xfree86config but it only switched froma  9600 generic to a 9600 pro even with the 9700 pro's chipid
[02:35] <NewNick> really gah
[02:35] <NewNick> SUSE was able to get my 9700 pro properly I remember..
[02:35] <NewNick> anyone know if ubuntu/ati is going to get this shit working
[02:36] <_jon_> why doesn't alsa work? wank wank wank
[02:36] <Myke> _jon_: alsa works
[02:43] <billytwowilly> wow
[02:46] <Zugot> billytwowilly, why?
[02:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> hail everybody
[02:47] <RealWorld> hello, I'm on hoary and I want to know how can I can install the latest xfce4 and kde 3.3 ?
[02:47] <st1an> doh, how can i set folder permissions in terminal?
[02:47] <scoon> RealWorld: well xfce has an installer now that gets all that from cvs
[02:48] <RealWorld> well I'll try xfce4 first then
[02:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: do you mean chmod?
[02:48] <st1an> yeah prolly :p
[02:48] <Zugot> does firefox 1.0 come with hoary?
[02:49] <st1an> I wana make it read write to my user, and not only root
[02:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: do sudo chmod *code* folder_name
[02:49] <billytwowilly> Zugot, I just finished watching a speech by Mrs. Peg Liksik, founder and CEO of Mom's House International. Basically, the US education system is one huge Big brother complex grooming the children to be mindless zombie workers.
[02:49] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: look at google but I THINK it is chmod 745
[02:50] <RealWorld> to get kde 3.3 just do apt-get install kde ?
[02:50] <st1an> I cant google :( my isp is having trubble, thats why Im asking
[02:50] <scoon> billytwowilly, huh ?  I am a product of the american education system!!!!! where can i see this ?
[02:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: lemme look for you
[02:50] <_|Imanewbie|_> well i'm sure 777 allowes EVERYBODY to write on
[02:50] <billytwowilly> Zugot, I could send it to you I suppose.
[02:51] <st1an> hehe that would do the trick realy
[02:51] <st1an> :)
[02:51] <billytwowilly> Zugot, I think I got it off of demonoid.com or torrentreactor.to, but I don't see it now
[02:51] <st1an> thanks
[02:51] <st1an> Il look in tho chmood later, now I wana hear music, and get my ntfs partiotion mounted ;) gnight!
[02:52] <Lin> Hi all
[02:52] <Lin> Why when I starting GDM it says. There is already a gdm session running.. As I can see there is 2 gdm sessions openend.
[02:52] <Mesta> exit
[02:53] <Hikaru79> When does this happen, Lin?
[02:54] <Lin> when I do /etc/init.d/gdm start
[02:54] <Hikaru79> With gdm already started?
[02:54] <Lin> Hikaru79: of course, there isn't
[02:54] <Hikaru79> So, when you're in command-line ONLY? Single-user mode?
[02:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> st1an: http://www.computerhope.com/unix/uchmod.htm
[02:54] <Lin> no
[02:54] <Hikaru79> In GNOME?
[02:54] <Lin> I didn't use gdm from startup
[02:55] <Lin> in command line
[02:55] <Hikaru79> But is Gnome running or not?
[02:55] <Lin> I never tried in another way
[02:55] <Hikaru79> When you try to run gdm
[02:55] <Lin> Hikaru79: not
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Then try this
[02:55] <Lin> Hikaru79: there is no gnome running
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Press Ctrl+Alt+F7
[02:55] <Hikaru79> In the command line mode
[02:55] <Lin> Alt+F7 will do the job
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Oh, just alt?
[02:55] <Lin> there isn't anything
[02:55] <Hikaru79> Hm... :|
[02:56] <Hikaru79> And it says there's already a sessio running?
[02:56] <Lin> CTRL should be used only if you're inside X
[02:56] <Lin> HolyGod: of course not :-)
[02:56] <Hikaru79> But Alt+F7 doesn't do anything?
[02:56] <Lin> Open an empty terminal
[02:56] <Lin> Hikaru79: I'm not a newbie
[02:56] <Hikaru79> I see ^ ^;;
[02:56] <Lin> Hikaru79: this is a bug?
[02:56] <Hikaru79> Perhaps, but I'm still confused about the circumstances
[02:56] <Hikaru79> This is on a different computer right?
[02:57] <Lin> what mean "different computer" ?
[02:57] <Hikaru79> What computer are you trying to do this on?
[02:57] <Lin> in my computer
[02:57] <Lin> I'm inside it right now
[02:57] <Hikaru79> The one you're using right now to talk on IRC?
[02:57] <Lin> Using irssi to talk with you
[02:58] <Lin> yes
[02:58] <Hikaru79> irssi? So you're not in GNOME right now?
[02:58] <Lin> as I said before.. no.. I'm not in gnome
[02:58] <Hikaru79> K
[02:58] <Hikaru79> Just checking
[02:58] <Lin> ;_P fine
[02:58] <Hikaru79> Do: sudo gdm       and paste the output
[02:59] <scoon> Lin, try this: killall gdm && killall xdm
[02:59] <Lin> I will run with root
[02:59] <macewan> after upgrading to hoary and running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gnome barfs on starting with: Failed to start message bus: Attribute "if_selinux_enabled" is invalid on <include> element in this context.
[02:59] <Lin> scoon: :_P same problem happens
[02:59] <scoon> Lin, ps aux | grep -i dm
[02:59] <scoon> nothing shows  ?
[02:59] <Lin> there is no xdm installed
[02:59] <Lin> gdm isn't running
[03:00] <Lin> only the grep :-)
[03:00] <scoon> Lin, xdm comes w/ xorg or xfree
[03:00] <scoon> Lin, sorry brother, but it is.
[03:01] <ajmitch_> scoon: doesn't mean it's running
[03:01] <scoon> Lin, try to unload all of your video drivers.
[03:01] <mroth> hrm, the perl install in hoary doesnt have LWP::Simple?
[03:01] <scoon> ajmitch_, no it doesn't but it is STILL INSTALLED.
[03:01] <ajmitch_> there's possibly a file in /var/run, eg /var/run/gdm.pid
[03:01] <ajmitch_> scoon: calm down with the caps
[03:01] <Lin> scoon: only if you install x-window-system
[03:01] <scoon> ajmitch_, but i love them.
[03:02] <scoon> Lin, so do you have an X installed ?
[03:02] <Hikaru79> ajmitch_, he's not abusing them or anything.
[03:02] <Lin> numenor:~# /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:02] <Lin> Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm not running.
[03:02] <Lin> numenor:~# killall xdm kdm
[03:02] <Lin> xdm: no process killed
[03:02] <Lin> kdm: no process killed
[03:02] <Zugot> to upgrade to hoary, all i would have to do is change my sources.list and then do a apt-get upgrade?
[03:02] <Lin> numenor:~# ps ax | grep -i dm | grep -v grep
[03:02] <reversal`> how can i change ownership of something like /mnt/win, or change it so its not read only?
[03:03] <reversal`> Zugot: if you change it to hoary make sure you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:03] <Lin> then when I start gdm with /etc/init.d/gdm start
[03:03] <Zugot> ah...
[03:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> cant I use "import" to take a screenshot in ubuntu?
[03:03] <Nexus6> any install experts around? especially GRUB/LILO experts?
[03:03] <Nexus6> My AMD64 box won't boot via GRUB
[03:03] <reversal`> i just finished doing that
[03:03] <reversal`> took forever tho
[03:03] <reversal`> :P
[03:03] <Lin> I notice that there is a X running in: VT7
[03:03] <Lin>  3022 ?        SL     0:02 /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
[03:03] <Nexus6> and I can't work out how to get Lilo onto the box to rework the boot stuff
[03:04] <Lin> but gdm open open a dialog in terminal 8:  3180 tty8     Ss+    0:00 /usr/bin/dialog --yesno blablabla
[03:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone else having troubles with import?
[03:05] <Zugot> ok... upgrading to hoary right now
[03:06] <Zugot> this ought to be interesting
[03:06] <Nexus6> Any boot gurus at all?
[03:06] <Nexus6> I could just go sleep
[03:06] <Nexus6> :-(
[03:06] <reversal`> what do you need?
[03:07] <Nexus6> a way to install LILO off the net while installing Warty
[03:07] <reversal`> i use grub :o
[03:07] <Nexus6> Grub hangs on my box
[03:07] <Nexus6> Hung for Mandrake 10.1
[03:07] <_jon_> LILO hangs on my shelf
[03:07] <Nexus6> Hangs for Ubuntu
[03:07] <scoon> Lin, so ? what about killall gdm ?
[03:08] <Nexus6> Probably my BIOS, but I don't see an update
[03:08] <punkass> is there any info i can find abou the shipping of the warty CD's?
[03:09] <stuNNed_> howdy how howdy ho ho now that acpi pm is working, let's see if updated kernel fixes linuxant modem oops as well!  can i file an oops with ubuntu bugzilla regarding linuxant hsf modem drivers?
[03:09] <punkass> just curious when the next shipment is going out...
[03:09] <punkass> by boss is using a hsf modem driver on his dell D600 with ubuntu and its fine
[03:09] <punkass> by = my
[03:09] <Nexus6> or *gulp* is there a way to make a boot floppy in the Warty installer?
[03:10] <stuNNed_> punkass, aha! know how he got it working?
[03:10] <s0cks> Welcome to Ubuntu aperson!
[03:11] <punkass> I did it..all i did was follow the instructions on there site..
[03:11] <stuNNed_> punkass, installed the .deb?
[03:11] <punkass> yes
[03:11] <stuNNed_> punkass, warty? hoary? what kernel?
[03:11] <punkass> just a plain warty install
[03:11] <jmhodges> ok folks i need some help
[03:12] <stuNNed_> don't know why mine is oopsing then, oh well
[03:12] <Lin> scoon: when I repeat the process gdm stop/ killall gdm /ps axu | grep -i dm (verify that no gdm or X is running) , and start gdm again. Same thing occurs..
[03:12] <jmhodges> for some reason, openoffice is trying to install kdelibs and jackd etc
[03:12] <jmhodges> BUT i dont have the oo-mimelnk installed
[03:12] <punkass> whats it doing..or not doing
[03:12] <scoon> Lin, so try /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[03:12] <scoon> Lin, and then do a killall gdm, just to be certain
[03:12] <scoon> Lin, just to be 3X certain, unload your video card drivers.
[03:13] <jmhodges> punkass: you talking to me?
[03:13] <punkass> no to stuNNed
[03:13] <Lin> scoon: unload video drivers??!? ok! I will try that..
[03:14] <stuNNed_> punkass, i get in syslog:
[03:14] <stuNNed_> Nov 10 21:15:00 localhost kernel: Conexant: RX FIFO OVERRUN (Bus Latency) - FIFOE
[03:14] <stuNNed_> Nov 10 21:15:00 localhost kernel: Conexant: TX FIFO UNDERRUN (Bus Latency) - FIFOE
[03:14] <scoon> Lin, what do you have to loose ?
[03:14] <Ruffian|Q|> heh
[03:14] <scoon> Lin, never overlook the not-so-obvious
[03:14] <punkass> so u can run hsfconfig and it installs et?
[03:14] <punkass> et = etc
[03:14] <sphexus> hi guys, i need help, someone please help me
[03:14] <stuNNed_> punkass, yes
[03:14] <illustre> how can i tell driver version with modprobe
[03:15] <Lin> numenor:~# lsmod|grep nvidia
[03:15] <Lin> nvidia               4819604  0
[03:15] <punkass> stuNNEd: i would email them..they are pretty quick at responding and pretty helpful
[03:16] <punkass> them being linuxant
[03:16] <Lin> scoon: all empty
[03:16] <Lin> scoon: starting
[03:16] <stuNNed_> yes i have they said try another kernel with piix built in and not as module, which i did, didn't help, now they are saying try a whole different kernel w/out ubuntu patchset i guess
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> for whoever had the question about installing grub after ubuntu is installed, i found this: > How do i reinstall the grub loader without reinstalling the whole
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> > system?
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> Boot from an Ubuntu livecd and install grub on your master hard drive.
[03:16] <Cloudchaser> Make sure that it has a menu entry to boot your Windows system too
[03:17] <sphexus> hoary has screwed up my display, and so im trying to reinstall warty stuff using "apt-get update," but my internet isn't working
[03:17] <Lin> scoon: same problem
[03:17] <illustre> Lin:that does not show driver version
[03:17] <sphexus> does anyone know how i can get linux to get the internet working again?
[03:17] <Lin> scoon: I wil try to reboot (I HATE REBOOTS)
[03:17] <scoon> Lin, WAIT
[03:17] <punkass> oh...well at least you know there is one computer running ubuntu out there that it works on...
[03:18] <scoon> Lin, try this as a final attempt,
[03:18] <Lin> illustre: yes didn't show, I'm using 6111 nvidia driver
[03:18] <scoon> Lin: apt-get check
[03:18] <sphexus> my internet is up, but it's not working on linux.  anyone know what i can do to get it working?
[03:18] <stuNNed_> punkass, must be something odd with this laptop and hal or something, no clue
[03:18] <punkass> sphexus: sudo ifup eth0
[03:18] <Lin> scoon: no broken packages
[03:19] <zenpod> sphexus, do you use DHCP?
[03:20] <scoon>  Lin, cat /etc/inittab | grep default  ? ? ?
[03:20] <sphexus> thanks punkass
[03:20] <sphexus> yes, zen, i do
[03:20] <punkass> did that work?
[03:20] <sphexus> i got it, i had to run /sbin/ifconfig
[03:20] <Lin> scoon: runlevel 2
[03:20] <stuNNed_> punkass, thanks though, cya
[03:20] <Lin> id:2:initdefault:
[03:20] <scoon> Lin, yeah, that is what I have.  sorry, got no more ideas !
[03:21] <zenpod> sphexus, ok, I was just going to say, ifconfig eth0 down, dhclient eth0, ifconfig eth0 up
[03:21] <zenpod> :D
[03:21] <Lin> scoon: Me too.. I have tried everything
[03:22] <Lin> scoon: Running gdm from comand line (without gdm script) happen the same thing :-(
[03:22] <scoon> Lin, even startx ?
[03:22] <punkass> jdub u around?
[03:22] <sphexus> yup, thanks guys, i appreciate your help
[03:22] <jdub> punkass: yeah
[03:23] <Lin> startx works ;-)
[03:23] <punkass> just curious about the cd orders
[03:23] <Lin> scoon: but without gdm, of course :-)
[03:23] <scoon> Lin: hmmm.  why not try and re-apt gdm then ?
[03:23] <punkass> buddy of mine just got his today.. but mine still says it hasnt been sent
[03:23] <scoon> Lin, also check the X-log in /var/log
[03:24] <punkass> we both ordered near the beginning of Oct i believe.
[03:24] <punkass> not sure if this is your department or not...
[03:25] <Lin> scoon: I have done it already
[03:25] <Lin> I will see the logs
[03:25] <scoon> Lin, sorry then all i'd say to try would be to re-apt gdm
[03:25] <Lin> nothing wrong in logs
[03:26] <ajmitch_> jdub: btw, how often do you sync from sid at the moment?
[03:26] <gpled> is their a doc for getting my sound card to work?
[03:27] <punkass> out of curiousity whats not working Lin?
[03:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> Can I ask for 100 ubuntu CDs or it is too much?
[03:28] <adoyretsamon> lol
[03:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> It is for an install fest
[03:29] <jdub> ajmitch_: AS FAST AS WE CAN
[03:29] <jdub> ajmitch_: daily, i think
[03:29] <jdub> ajmitch_: no rest for the rocking.
[03:30] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I think you can
[03:30] <ajmitch_> that's useful
[03:30] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I asked for 12
[03:30] <zenpod> 5 i386, 2 PPC, 5 AMD64
[03:30] <ajmitch_> jdub: all source packages imported are built for universe, or not?
[03:31] <jdub> ajmitch_: we bring in source; everything is built against ubuntu
[03:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: The site says I can order "as many as I want" but I dont wanna be the childish who orders a huge amount of CDs and make they think I'm cheating them or wasting their money
[03:31] <ajmitch_> jdub: alright, I just noticed some warty packages that only had source, no binaries
[03:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: Can I make multiple orders I mean order like 25 now, 25 next month and this way go?
[03:32] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I think as long as you're actually using them, it's okay.  Really, the only one who will know or care is your and your conscience.  If you need 100, order 100.
[03:32] <jdub> ajmitch_: build failures, here are the logs:
[03:32] <jdub> http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~lamont/buildLogs/
[03:32] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I have no idea.  Still, the spirit of ubuntu seems to be, if you really need 100, I think they'd give you 100.
[03:32] <Amaranth> heh, buggy update-manager
[03:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> zenpod: for a meeting of like 500~700 ppl I think 100 cds are a cool number right?
[03:33] <zenpod> _|Imanewbie|_, I guess, I've never done/been to/arranged an installfest
[03:33] <ajmitch_> jdub: thanks..
[03:33] <ajmitch_>  /bin/sh: line 1: python: command not found
[03:33] <ajmitch_> that's an interesting failure for my package
[03:34] <ajmitch_> the later version for hoary built fine, so I'm not too concerned
[03:34] <punkass> jdub: so is there someone i can mail to ask?
[03:34] <Amaranth> yea! gnome packages are building on libxklavier10 now
[03:34] <Amaranth> it was a PITA getting libxklavier9 and manually installing it
[03:35] <jdub> punkass: what's the question?
[03:35] <punkass> lol
[03:35] <punkass> just curious about the cd orders
[03:35] <punkass> buddy of mine just got his today.. but mine still says it hasnt been sent
[03:36] <punkass> we both ordered near the beginning of Oct i believe
[03:36] <jdub> depends on when you ordered them - you might have done it after the first cutoff
[03:36] <jdub> there should be a mail address up there for you to mail
[03:36] <Quest-Master> Has anyone gotten MIDI to work?
[03:37] <palle> how can i see all my partitions and info about them on a harddrive?
[03:37] <punkass> jdub: ah right at the bottom of the faqs...thanks
[03:38] <ixus> palle:  go into system tools / system monitor
[03:38] <ixus> fromthe application menu
[03:38] <palle> okay, thnx ixus
[03:39] <tommie_> i am stuck
[03:39] <tommie_> anybody there
[03:39] <warty> hi
[03:39] <Lin> Why ubuntu openoffice requires: Depends: language-support-pt-br
[03:40] <Lin> if there isn't that package in repositories?
[03:40] <warty> do you have a portugeese install
[03:40] <tommie_> i hooked up another hard drive after i installed ubuntu, now whenever it starts no GUI will come up or anything, it'll say something like Display already set on :1 or something like that
[03:40] <Lin> or language-suporte-en
[03:40] <palle> ixus do you know if i can transfer space from one partition to another using linux?
[03:41] <Lin> teigor@numenor:~$ apt-cache search language-support
[03:41] <palle> i'd like to transfer some space from /home to / is that possible?
[03:41] <Lin> no response..
[03:41] <warty> palle what file system?
[03:42] <warty> if it is ext3 you can do it with a knoppix disk using qtparted
[03:42] <palle> ext3
[03:42] <ixus> palle:  the only way I know is at install - rewriting the partition table
[03:42] <warty> ext3 is resizable
[03:42] <ixus> why, what do you want to do?
[03:42] <warty> bye bye
[03:42] <tommie_> anybody know what i should do? i'm in recovery mode right now
[03:43] <palle> ohh, what is a knoppix disk warty?
[03:43] <ixus> does the command line come up?
[03:43] <ixus> palle:  knoppix is a liveCD based on debian
[03:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> why my apt-get inst prompting for confirmation before installing new packages
[03:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> ?
[03:44] <tommie_> ixus talking to me?
[03:44] <ixus> yeah :)
[03:44] <palle> ixus: it's the live cd i got with my ubuntu dist?
[03:45] <palle> and if it is, i only have to boot my computer with the cd?
[03:45] <Lin> another weird thing:
[03:45] <Lin> igor@numenor:~$ apt-cache policy gnome-session | grep Candidate
[03:45] <Lin>   Candidate: 2.8.1-3ubuntu1
[03:45] <Lin> igor@numenor:~$ apt-cache policy gnome-panel | grep Candidate
[03:45] <Lin>   Candidate: 2.9.1-0ubuntu2
[03:45] <tommie_> yes i can get to a cmd line through recovery mode
[03:45] <ixus> palle: - I don't know.  I downloaded my ubuntu - no idea how it ships
[03:45] <palle> okay
[03:45] <Lin> why there is difference in gnome versions?
[03:45] <tommie_> other than that i'll get a messed up looking xfree86 gui
[03:46] <palle> and warty left =(
[03:47] <ixus> tommie:  try typing 'xorgconfig'  at the command line, before X loads
[03:47] <jdub> Lin: well, first - you're running hoary, and 2.9 is the gnome development release.
[03:47] <jdub> Lin: second, there's no guarantee that the versions between any of those packages will be the same.
[03:47] <tommie_> alright, i'lll go give that a try
[03:48] <Zugot> my hoary upgrade seems to have worked fine
[03:48] <Lin> jdub: yes.. I'm running hoary
[03:49] <tommie_> ok well, i'm in recovery mode, xorgconfig not a known command
[03:49] <Zugot> magilla@fire:~ $ glxgears
[03:49] <Zugot> 21191 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4238.200 FPS
[03:49] <Zugot> :)
[03:49] <Zugot> finally
[03:49] <Zugot> it was 200FPS before
[03:50] <tommie_> i don't know how to bring up a command line because i'll get stuck in the display already set thing
[03:51] <ixus> Is anybody in here using a Via mini-itx board with ubuntu?
[03:52] <krusty> hi, anybody knows a msn client support webcams???
[03:53] <Gmail> gaim i think has a half working plug in
[03:54] <krusty> what plug in is Gmail??
[03:55] <gpled> i did modprobe snd-cs4236 and modprobe ad1848. now my sound works.  how can i make it stick? so i dont keep having to modprobe it in.
[03:55] <wig> hey, where's the kernel source for ubuntu?
[03:55] <Gmail> krusty: look at gaim.sf.net and look
[03:55] <Gmail> wig: kernel.org
[03:55] <wig> gmail, doh, i mean in ubuntu. isn't it installed?
[03:55] <Gmail> wig: you can also apt-get it
[03:55] <wig> i have dial up, that'll take too long. :-/
[03:56] <Gmail> its binary
[03:56] <Gmail> wig: i remeber downloading it on dail up 10MB
[03:56] <wig> gmail: huh?
[03:56] <Gmail> why do you need it
[03:57] <wig> for some dial up stuff.
[03:57] <wig> i need to get my modem to work on ubuntu 2.6.8 kernel
[03:57] <wig> but i need the source, apparently.
[03:58] <wig> anyone?
[03:58] <wig> is kernel source even in ubuntu?
[03:59] <krusty> there are no plug in for webcam on gaim
[04:00] <jdub> wig: apt-cache search linux source
[04:00] <electroglas> I have setup a Laserjet 4 on one Ubuntu computer and wish to print to it from another Ubuntu computer. What do I enter into the URI for this remote printer? Would it be ipp://192.168.2.16/ipp ?
[04:00] <scoon> Lin, any luck ?
[04:02] <tommie_> "There already appears to be an X server running on display :0 Should I try another display number?" ... Anybody see this before?
[04:02] <wig> anyone? kernel source on ubuntu?
[04:02] <tommie_> GNOME won't start
[04:02] <Zugot> so what exactly does xcompmgr do anyways?
[04:02] <scoon> tommie_: ask Lin about that !!!!
[04:02] <Zugot> just the drop shadow?
[04:03] <tommie_> :(
[04:03] <wig> tommie_: havey ou restarted it?
[04:03] <scoon> tommie_, are you running warty or hoary ?
[04:03] <tommie_> Yes, it just gives me another one saying "running on display :1" then it'll go to :2 then :3
[04:03] <tommie_> warty
[04:04] <wig> anyone? is there kernel source on ubuntu?
[04:04] <scoon> wig, try synaptic
[04:04] <wig> what's that?
[04:04] <wig> scoon:
[04:04] <scoon> wig, the GUI for apt-get
[04:04] <tommie_> all I remember is installing xchat/gaim from the hoary sources and then hooking up an ntfs as a slave then I get that message on booting
[04:05] <wig> agh. im on dial-up. is it NOT on ubuntu then?
[04:05] <scoon> wig, dunno, i get my source from kernel.org
[04:05] <wig> hmm
[04:06] <scoon> tommie_, what are the chances that you just did a complete hoary install on accident ?
[04:06] <GotD0t> are you supposed to be able to get into a terminal using the LiveCD?
[04:07] <tommie_> Oh no, I did apt-get install gaim then xchat then switched the sources back to warty
[04:07] <scoon> tommie_, did anything else get installed ?
[04:07] <wig> anyone? does anyone know if the kernel source comes on ubuntu install?
[04:07] <Sensebend> I think a new gtk might be installed
[04:07] <Sensebend> with those package selections
[04:08] <scoon> tommie_, what does X -version give up ?
[04:08] <Sensebend> which might be making gdm go crazy
[04:08] <tommie_> I'll go check
[04:08] <Sensebend> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5947&highlight=gdm
[04:08] <scoon> has tommie heard of gnome-terminal ?
[04:08] <Sensebend> this post might be relevant
[04:08] <wig> anyone?
[04:09] <wig> anyone know if ubuntu comes with the kernel source??!?
[04:09] <scoon> wig: do you mean the CD ?
[04:09] <Sensebend> wig, it's in the repos. afaik
[04:09] <wig> scoon: yeah.
[04:09] <wig> Sensebend: what do you mean?
[04:09] <Sensebend> in the apt repositories
[04:09] <Sensebend> I believe the kernel sources are there
[04:10] <wig> Sensebend: what are those?
[04:10] <scoon> wig, try find /media/cdrom0 | grep -i kernel
[04:10] <Sensebend> they might be on the CD
[04:10] <Sensebend> I dunno
[04:10] <Sensebend> I haven't needed them yet
[04:10] <wig> let me check the cd.
[04:10] <tommie_> Ok, what do I type to find out the version # of x server? *newbie alert!*
[04:10] <wig> im not on linux right now cause i can't get dial up working on it
[04:10] <Sensebend> X -version
[04:10] <scoon> tommie_, X -version from gnome-terminal
[04:11] <Sensebend> scoon, he can't start X
[04:11] <tommie_> gnome terminal ok cause x didn't do anything
[04:12] <scoon> Sensebend, damn, my bad.
[04:12] <Sensebend> no problem
[04:12] <Sensebend> :)
[04:13] <tommie_> haha, well i thought that'd work
[04:13] <wig> has anyone worked with lucent/agere modems?
[04:13] <scoon> tommie_, try this: dpkg -l | grep xfree
[04:14] <wig> hey, guyes. how do i look in the linux cd? it's just a bunch of folders, iso
[04:14] <tommie_> alright
[04:14] <NeCrOsYs> hello everybody
[04:14] <LucidVisions> greetings
[04:14] <scoon> what is the larges mp3 collection anyone has loaded into rhythmbox ?
[04:15] <ixus> Anyone using a via mainboard? I'm not sure wether to go with via graphic drivers orxorg unichrome
[04:15] <ixus> any ideas?
[04:15] <Sensebend> I have one with a via chipset
[04:15] <ixus> sensebend: how's you 3D?
[04:15] <Sensebend> works ok
[04:15] <Sensebend> and I don't use 3D
[04:16] <wig> anyone know?
[04:16] <tommie_> ok, that brought up 3 things
[04:16] <ixus> ah, mine sucks - just tried playing chromium - system slowed to a crawl
[04:16] <tommie_> xfree86-common 4.30.dfsg.1-6, xfree86-driver 0.13.3-1, xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6
[04:17] <Sensebend> I use a 30GB collection in XMMS
[04:17] <Sensebend> loaded as a playlist
[04:18] <Quest-Master> I have a 40GB hard-drive.. ;_;
[04:19] <scoon> tommie_, so you have xfree installed.
[04:19] <Quest-Master> Is Ubuntu going to begin using Xorg?
[04:19] <Sensebend> Quest-Master, it will
[04:19] <Sensebend> in Hoary
[04:19] <tommie_> what should i do?
[04:19] <Quest-Master> :)
[04:20] <Sensebend> it's running it now if you want to run the hoary work in progress version
[04:20] <ixus> what's all this?  My ubunti does use Xorg
[04:20] <Sensebend> :)
[04:20] <Sensebend> if you don't mind occasional breakage
[04:20] <Sensebend> or can't wait til' april
[04:20] <ixus> I have the preview release, doesn't the main relese use it?
[04:21] <Quest-Master> I'll wait till April
[04:21] <Sensebend> warty does not
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Software breaks enough for me right now in Linux
[04:21] <Sensebend> hoary does
[04:21] <Quest-Master> XD
[04:21] <Sensebend> :D
[04:21] <scoon> warty is the most stable thing i have used in quite some time
[04:21] <scoon> i love it
[04:21] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[04:22] <ixus> ah, which is the later?  I was sure I had warty preview & that has Xorg
[04:22] <Quest-Master> A lot of the software like totem and BEEP are't though
[04:22] <Quest-Master> *aren't
[04:22] <Sensebend> most stable thing I've used is freebsd 4.x
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Heh
[04:22] <Sensebend> not to start a flamewar :)
[04:22] <ixus> Slackware has been pretty rock solid for me
[04:22] <Quest-Master> I've never used it.
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Ubuntu is very nicely stable.
[04:22] <Quest-Master> Just wish some of this software would shape up.
[04:23] <Quest-Master> :X
[04:23] <wig> is there kernel source on ubunt?
[04:23] <jdub> wig: apt-cache search linux source
[04:23] <LucidVisions> even composite transparency
[04:24] <wig> jdub: i dont want to get it from offline. is it not on ubuntu?
[04:24] <jdub> wig: no, it's not installed by default or available on the cd.
[04:24] <wig> agh.
[04:24] <wig> damn it. what kernel is provided with the cd they sent out?
[04:25] <jdub> wig: we ship 2.6.8.1.
[04:25] <jdub> wig: what do you need?
[04:25] <Sensebend> oh speaking of the CD shipments, I never got mine
[04:25] <wig> jdub: im trying to install some modem patches for a lucent/agere modem, but i need the kernel source
[04:26] <ixus> jdub:  Any idea for via epia graphics drivers?
[04:26] <jdub> ixus: not sure, no
[04:26] <ixus> I shall get back to the boards then if I have any luck
[04:27] <Zugot> i'm not sure if i'm sold on xcompmgr yet
[04:27] <Zugot> maybe... but i'm not sure
[04:27] <wig> jdub: i was hoping that 2.6.n had rectified this problem, but no such luck :-P
[04:29] <Myke> also nice, would be gnomemeeting that's still in cvs... it supports v4l2, and some cheap webcams only have drivers for this, not for v4l...
[04:29] <LucidVisions> anyone here use xfce4?
[04:29] <scoon> LucidVisions, YES
[04:30] <dad> anyone map multifunction keys on an apple pro keyboard?
[04:31] <LucidVisions> scoon: how do you enable the debian menu, when i right click shaded out,but there
[04:32] <ixus> Lucidvisions:  yes.  xfce 4 is pretty sweet
[04:32] <scoon> LucidVisions, good question, i have not looked into doing that, sorry.
[04:32] <ixus> graphical installer too, takes care of everything
[04:33] <LucidVisions> its cool,ill have to figure it out,xfce4 is pimp
[04:33] <LucidVisions> its fast as hell
[04:33] <ixus> did you download the goodies pack too?
[04:34] <LucidVisions> ixus: um,,ill do that now,maby thats it a
[04:34] <scoon> LucidVisions, yea it is.  i like it a bunch.
[04:36] <GotD0t> whats the root password for the LiveCD
[04:36] <ixus> is there an app in Ubuntu to convert rpms to source, or install them?
[04:37] <skvidal> is there anyway to install ubuntu on a system w/o a cd drive?
[04:37] <GotD0t> skvidal: i think you can do a network install
[04:37] <skvidal> GotD0t: but how do I boot it?
[04:38] <skvidal> in rh-based distros I could boot from a kernel and an initrd
[04:38] <skvidal> is there a way to do that w/ubuntu?
[04:38] <electroglas> I want to print from an Ubuntu PC to a PC that has Ubuntu and a printer installed. What format would the URI be in? ipp://192.168.2.16/ippXXXXXXXX
[04:38] <blicksky> hey...im' wondering if anyone can help me get my Irda port working on my thinkpad T22
[04:38] <GotD0t> skvidal: i don't know
[04:38] <skvidal> GotD0t: okay
[04:40] <blicksky> anyone have any experience with that?
[04:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> ixus: maybe rpm2deb?
[04:41] <zenpod> slirn
[04:41] <zenpod> *alien
[04:42] <Sensebend> ixus use alien
[04:42] <Sensebend> alien -i rpmfile.rpm
[04:43] <jmhodges> hey could someone help me with some scewy dependency problems with openoffice
[04:43] <jmhodges> ?
[04:44] <jdub> jmhodges: on hoary? it's being fixed.
[04:44] <jmhodges> jdub: i less than 3 you, you should know that.
[04:44] <gen> 3?
[04:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> guys gtg good night everybody
[04:44] <phlaegel> are there mono dependency problems in hoary at the moment?
[04:44] <phlaegel> mono-assemblies-base in particular?
[04:44] <jmhodges> phlaegel: what kind of problem are you having?
[04:45] <jmhodges> gen: <3
[04:45] <gen> <3
[04:45] <jmhodges> hehe
[04:45] <phlaegel> mono-assemblies-base won't upgrade
[04:45] <phlaegel> I'm switching a warty box to hoary
[04:46] <jmhodges> ah, try removing it and then reinstalling
[04:46] <phlaegel> it seems like mono-jit and mono-assemblies-arch have already updated, but -base won't go, which chokes the whole thing.
[04:46] <usual> phlaegel, what does it say
[04:46] <phlaegel> Unmet dependencies is the error
[04:46] <blicksky> no one knows anything about Irda in ubuntu?
[04:46] <phlaegel> -f install doesn't help
[04:46] <usual> phlaegel, did you try apt-get -f install
[04:46] <usual> oh
[04:47] <ixus> thanks Imanewbie & Sensebend :)
[04:47] <jmhodges> phlaegel: whats it asking for?
[04:47] <ixus> I'll try those
[04:47] <phlaegel> mono-assemblies-base
[04:48] <usual> mono-assemblies-base - the Mono .NET class libraries
[04:48] <usual> it's in there
[04:48] <phlaegel> no kidding
[04:48] <jmhodges> yep
[04:48] <jmhodges> so lets see if i can duplicate in a similar fashion
[04:48] <jmhodges> i dont have it installed already though..
[04:48] <phlaegel> I know it's there, it won't install it... trying to get a more specific error
[04:49] <eclipse> how come i can't open firefox that i just installed?
[04:49] <jmhodges> eclipse: eh?
[04:49] <zenpod> eclipse, which firefox, 1.0?
[04:49] <eclipse> yes
[04:49] <zenpod> eclipse, did you set a symlink to /usr/bin/firefox?
[04:49] <LucidVisions> blicksky: that is a tough one
[04:50] <eclipse> zenpod, i open the dir where i installed the app
[04:50] <zenpod> or /usr/local/bin/firefox ..whatever
[04:50] <zenpod> eclipse, and?
[04:50] <blicksky> lucidvisions: yeah, i found something about someone getting it working under another distro...something about editing the /etc/modules file, but i didn't that and it didn't help
[04:50] <eclipse> well, i installed in /usr/share/firefox
[04:50] <zenpod> eclipse, ok.  did you install as user, or as root?
[04:50] <blicksky> lucidvisions: i also got the irda-utils package off synaptic
[04:50] <jmhodges> phlaegel: hmm.. i can't duplicate here..
[04:51] <jmhodges> have you tried installing -base by itself?
[04:51] <LucidVisions> ahh,,are you running warty,or hoary?
[04:51] <eclipse> zenpod, i used sudo to install it
[04:51] <blicksky> warty
[04:51] <zenpod> eclipse, ahh...
[04:51] <jmhodges> phlaegel: or did i miss something in your description
[04:51] <eclipse> as root i would say
[04:51] <jmhodges> eclipse: you mean you ran apt-get with sudo? like `sudo apt-get <etc>`
[04:52] <eclipse> no, i downloaded firefox thru firefox.com
[04:52] <zenpod> eclipse, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4206&highlight=firefox+1
[04:52] <LucidVisions> blicksky: I know this sounds risky,but what if you install the irda-utils package from hoary,it shouldnt break anything
[04:53] <LucidVisions> its alot newer
[04:53] <eclipse> zenpod, i can't go online cause firefox won't freaking open
[04:53] <zenpod> eclipse, lol oh
[04:53] <blicksky> lucidvisions: alright, but how do I do that?
[04:53] <zenpod> eclipse, what's the error you get?
[04:53] <usual> phlaegel, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/mcs/
[04:53] <usual> download it and force it
[04:53] <usual> if ya have to
[04:53] <eclipse> something like not compatible with locale or locale is not comp. with Xlib
[04:54] <phlaegel> jmhodges: I've tried several things now. Seems no matter what I try, it complains that it can't install that pkg. Why can't apt do some tasks, and ignore the broken ones?
[04:54] <usual> or maybe you don't have universe enabled in sources.list
[04:54] <LucidVisions> you can change the /etc/apt/sources.list,,evey line that has warty in it change it to hoary,
[04:54] <zenpod> eclipse, ahhh.. which locale do you use?
[04:54] <blicksky> ok
[04:54] <zenpod> US?
[04:54] <eclipse> enUS
[04:54] <eclipse> yes
[04:54] <zenpod> hm.
[04:54] <eclipse> default
[04:54] <zenpod> and you downloaded the en_us ff?
[04:54] <usual>  mono-assemblies-base_1.0.2-1_all.deb
[04:54] <LucidVisions> then fire up synaptic and update the list,refresh
[04:55] <blicksky> lucidvisions: can i change it all to hoary and do a mass upgrade? or is it not safe to do that yet?
[04:55] <zenpod> eclipse, try installing it as your user to your home dir, see if you can get it to run, or if you get that same error.  I've heard installing it via sudo can break stuff.
[04:55] <phlaegel> here we go: mono-assemblies-base wants to overwrite /usr/lib/mono, which is also in libdbus-cil
[04:55] <LucidVisions> you can,but you can also just change it for the time being to upgrade a package or 2
[04:55] <eclipse> zenpod, so what do u think man?
[04:55] <LucidVisions> and change back to warty
[04:56] <LucidVisions> blicksky: eitherway,,i did that a few days ago to get the new mozilla and xchat
[04:56] <eclipse> that could be the case
[04:56] <zenpod> LucidVisions, but next time you upgrade, won't it revert back to the old ones?
[04:56] <eclipse> let me try that
[04:56] <zenpod> eclipse, give it a shot
[04:56] <eclipse> ok, one sec
[04:57] <ixus> right, I'm off to install unichrome to sort out my graphics. . .
[04:57] <blicksky> lucidvisions: great, thanks, i was wondering how to get the latest packages....am I write in thinking that Warty froze at what was released for 4.10, and nothing new will be added to it?
[04:57] <blicksky> right*
[04:57] <ixus> it i t works first time I'll b back to report :)
[04:57] <LucidVisions> zenpod: it shouldnt,,if you apt-get upgrade,,but if you apt-get -dist upgrade it will
[04:57] <zenpod> blicksky, except for security updates, yes
[04:57] <blicksky> ok, cool
[04:57] <zenpod> LucidVisions, so smart upgrade in synaptic is which?
[04:58] <zenpod> LucidVisions, just curious, since it's what I use, and I am considering doing your trick there to get FF1.0 in Warty
[04:58] <LucidVisions> just sec,,
[04:59] <blicksky> hrm....i got a bunch of errors in synaptic, it didn't seem to like what I changed
[05:00] <LucidVisions> errors? thats odd
[05:00] <zenpod> blicksky, did you reload your repository list?
[05:00] <zenpod> refresh/reload/etc
[05:00] <zenpod> download the updated lists :)
[05:00] <blicksky> maybe not, i only pressed the refresh button
[05:00] <eclipse> zenpod, damn it didn't work man
[05:01] <zenpod> eclipse, you will need to delete it, and reinstall 0.9.3
[05:01] <zenpod> eclipse, I had the same issue
[05:01] <blicksky> alright, i think I've got it
[05:01] <eclipse> zenpod, and then install 1.0?
[05:02] <zenpod> eclipse, yeah, but you may want to try setting your main to hoary, and installing ONLY FF1.0, then setting it back to warty.  I expect that'd be the easiest way to install it.
[05:02] <blicksky> this'll take a while, i'll be back later if i still need help...thanks!
[05:02] <zenpod> blicksky, :)
[05:02] <LucidVisions> blicksky: no prob,,good luck
[05:02] <eclipse> well, i'm running hoary not warty
[05:02] <zenpod> Ack
[05:03] <zenpod> then just get it from apt. LOL
[05:04] <eclipse> zenpod, so you're running warty 4.10?
[05:04] <zenpod> generally yes
[05:04] <zenpod> atm I'm running
[05:04] <zenpod> Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] 
[05:06] <zenpod> I have warty on my workstation at work, and will be installing it on my home PC here as soon as my new motherboard gets here.  Stupid slow shipping.
[05:06] <zenpod> LucidVisions, no, I'm not.  XP Home.
[05:07] <zenpod> sorry :)
[05:07] <LucidVisions> ah,,i was mistaken on my xp version numbers,,so is 2600 the home
[05:07] <eclipse> anyone in here tried the new windows?
[05:08] <LucidVisions> eclipse: longhorn is ok
[05:08] <eclipse> u tried it?
[05:08] <Bic> Hello.
[05:08] <LucidVisions> i was dinking around with the last version,,i think it was 4074
[05:08] <zenpod> it's like XP, but slower. heh.
[05:08] <LucidVisions> its slow,..
[05:09] <LucidVisions> yeo
[05:09] <Bic> Can i install ubuntu or my external hd?
[05:09] <zenpod> Bic, I don't see why not.  Can you boot from it?
[05:09] <eclipse> zenpod, cause it's designed to run on at least 128mb video card, 512mb ram, and 64-bit cpu
[05:09] <Bic> noob question
[05:09] <zenpod> if you can't, you'll need a boot disk
[05:09] <LucidVisions> eclipse: it diddnt have all the features implemented also
[05:10] <LucidVisions> and winfs is nomore
[05:10] <zenpod> eclipse, it's not build for x86-64, and I have a 2.8ghz P4 w/HT and 1GB Ram.  It's still slow.
[05:10] <eclipse> man, i don't know when ubuntu dev. team going to fix the locale problem crap
[05:11] <zenpod> eclipse, that's the risk with using Hoary
[05:11] <eclipse> zenpod, well i like using the latest apps
[05:11] <LucidVisions> zenpod: thats a fast system, what vid card are you running with?
[05:12] <zenpod> then you sacrifice reliability and stability *shrug*  for me, I'll wait for April
[05:12] <eclipse> well, i gotta reboot my sys cause i just upgraded my system
[05:12] <zenpod> LucidVisions, lol, Nvidia GeForce 440 MX :D
[05:12] <zenpod> I went cheap on the video
[05:12] <zenpod> hehe
[05:12] <LucidVisions> ,hehe,,its ok,at least you dont have to use a matrox g550
[05:13] <zenpod> my notebook I just sold was a 3.2 Ghz HT P4 w/ 1GB Ram, Radeon Mobility 9600 w/ 128mb Ram, and a 17" Widescreen display
[05:13] <zenpod> stupid thing weighed 10lbs, and ATI + Linux sucks
[05:13] <discharge> i'm having a problem with grub... after installing ubuntu, grub won't boot my winxp partition
[05:13] <discharge> i used to have debian+grub and it booted by windows partition okay.   now it just sits there
[05:13] <zenpod> discharge, google for 'adding windows xp to grub' you'll find tutorials on it
[05:14] <zenpod> I'd help you further, but I don't dual boot.  Sorry.
[05:14] <zenpod> i.e. I have no real clue :)
[05:14] <discharge> zenpod, i have winxp in my menu.lst already.  i've tried the example from the grub manual and the one that ubuntu install generated
[05:15] <zenpod> discharge, hm.
[05:15] <zenpod> discharge, is winxp your hda1 ?
[05:15] <discharge> yeah
[05:16] <discharge> and my filesystem is still there, i can mount it in linux
[05:16] <zenpod> hm, I really have no idea, except maybe grub overwrote your XP bootsector... but I don't know if that would even matter
[05:16] <zenpod> I don't dual boot.  Maybe someone else here does, or knows about it
[05:16] <zenpod> sorry :(
[05:16] <Lin> congratulations to ubuntu project
[05:16] <Lin> the distribuion exceeds my expectatives :-D
[05:17] <gen> lin, of course it does
[05:18] <Lin> I'm a debian power user and applicant to debian project.. but I'm very amazed with ubuntu
[05:18] <discharge> when i try to boot windows from grub it displays:  root (hd0,0) Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7. makeactive.  chainloader +1
[05:18] <discharge> and then just sits there.  any suggestions?
[05:20] <LucidVisions> Lin: I used deb/unstable for 2 years,but a few weeks ago i made the switch to ubuntu also
[05:20] <LucidVisions> hehe
[05:20] <Lin> what is the size of ubuntu repositories?
[05:21] <Lin> I think that ubuntu goes to the rigth way...
[05:21] <Lin> the cam support it's good too. my girlfriend will love it
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> i think its many gigabytes
[05:22] <adoyretsamon> and debian is like 20gb
[05:22] <discharge> if you change boot config files for grub, is there a command you run afterwards like you would with lilo?
[05:23] <zenpod> discharge, yeah, I think you re-run grub
[05:23] <zenpod> I *think*
[05:23] <discharge> grub opens grub shell thing
[05:23] <zenpod> maybe point it at your config.  man grub for more info.
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> discharge, make sure to point to correct location of kernel and initrd
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> that is all i have done
[05:25] <adoyretsamon> and it has worked every time
[05:27] <zenpod>   r5fc44ack I hate it when I drop my wireless keyboard
[05:27] <adoyretsamon> yea... and batteries drop out
[05:29] <zenpod>  heehe
[05:31] <adoyretsamon> i hate it when i drop mine too... but i breaks the LCD screen... hehe
[05:32] <bborkk> Does ACPI work for anyone?
[05:33] <bborkk> Someone suggest I boot with acpi_sleep=s3_bios.  Anyone know how to do this?
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> you can modify grub to do it
[05:34] <crimsun> or simply enter it at the grub boot prompt
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> yea
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> that is what i meant
[05:34] <adoyretsamon> to test it
[05:35] <bborkk> So, start typing it in before the doomsday counter gets to zero?
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> hit Esc
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> then e to edit the line
[05:35] <bborkk> Ah.
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> yea
[05:35] <bborkk> I'll try that.  Thanks.
[05:35] <adoyretsamon> np
[05:47] <krusty> anybody knows a msn client support webcams??? for ubuntu
[05:48] <romeo> think gaim-vv does that
[05:48] <romeo> krusty
[05:48] <housetier> gnomemeeting ?
[05:48] <krusty> gaim-vv??? where I can find it Romeo
[05:49] <romeo> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/
[05:51] <krusty> can i found it, by terminal???
[05:51] <krusty> or just on that website??
[05:52] <adoyretsamon> krusty, did you try "apt-get install gaim*"
[05:52] <romeo> krusty: I don't see it in synaptic so you'll probably have to get it from the website. I don't have it myself
[05:52] <adoyretsamon> is it listed
[05:52] <adoyretsamon> nvm
[05:52] <krusty> yes I try it
[05:53] <romeo> you might want to check apt-get.org to see if somebody has a repository that might have it in also
[05:53] <krusty> well i'll go to the site
[05:54] <zenpod> huh, gaim-vv looks cool
[05:55] <dad> is there anyway to have folder windows disapear when a new folder is opened?
[05:55] <zenpod> why is it not in ubuntu repositories! that is SUCH a desktop-needed feature
[05:55] <krusty> thanx Romeo
[05:55] <romeo> hope it works well for you Krusty
[05:55] <krusty> I hope so, if works i'll tell u later man
[05:56] <krusty> brb
[05:56] <zenpod> gaim-vv deb @ http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.mimram/debian.php
[05:56] <dad> i seem to have folder windows all over the desktop when i dig deep
[05:56] <deadcat> i just got my cds in the mail today. (=
[05:56] <deadcat> whens the live ppc coming out?
[05:56] <Linux|GIT> how do i know what version of ubuntu i'm using? and how do I get kde 3.3 i did apt-get install kde but i have 2.2 and im just testin
[05:57] <zenpod> krusty, http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/samuel.mimram/debian.php
[05:58] <krusty> Thanx Zenpod I already downloaded from the "official" site of gaim-vv
[05:58] <krusty> :)
[05:58] <dad> control double click hmmm
[05:59] <dad> shift double
[06:02] <zenpod> krusty, okies, just thought you might want .debs
[06:07] <LucidVisions> am i strange for switching mouse hands every month,,ie..last month left hand,this month right
[06:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[06:08] <LucidVisions> I heard that you use diffrent regions of the brain by doing this
[06:09] <stuNNed> LucidVisions, you are just ambientdexterous
[06:09] <LucidVisions> I thought so,,i can even game with both hands,,its pretty cool at lan's
[06:10] <LucidVisions> allthough it took a few months with the fps games
[06:12] <hypa7ia> hey folks... i trashed my kernel images on upgrading to hoary... how do i ls within grub?
[06:13] <GotD0t> hypa7ia you dont ;-)
[06:13] <hypa7ia> :-(
[06:13] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: what arch you running
[06:13] <hypa7ia> how do i see if i have any kernels installed?
[06:13] <hypa7ia> pentium m
[06:14] <GotD0t> ok so you're either running 686 or 386 kernel
[06:14] <hypa7ia> i have in grub 2 368 kern;s and a 686 i installed, plus their respective recovery modes
[06:15] <hypa7ia> the 2 386 ones give me a file not found
[06:15] <Servax> Hello, I was just wondering what gui this linux dis comes with...
[06:15] <hypa7ia> and the 686 just goes blank when i try it
[06:15] <hypa7ia> Servax, gnome 2.8
[06:15] <GotD0t> to load 686 kernel (whcih is prob default) the kernel is at vmlinux-2.6.8.1-3-686 and the initrd is at initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-686
[06:15] <Servax> WHen was this OS made, like when was it started cause it looks really new...
[06:16] <GotD0t> Servax: it is relatively new
[06:16] <hypa7ia> YAY!!!
[06:16] <hypa7ia> uh
[06:16] <hypa7ia> doh
[06:16] <GotD0t> ?
[06:16] <hypa7ia> kernel panic
[06:16] <GotD0t> der
[06:16] <GotD0t> tell me what exactly your boot opts were
[06:17] <hypa7ia> "please append a correct "root=" boot option" that sounds important :-p
[06:17] <Servax> And they will actually ship me the free cds? Is the sponsor like rich?
[06:17] <GotD0t> Servax: they will, my friend was giving some out at school today
[06:17] <hypa7ia> i hope i get mine soon
[06:17] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: read me the kernel options
[06:18] <Servax> I ordered 20 CD's total haha
[06:18] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, where do i find those?
[06:18] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: the same way you specified the kernel image
[06:18] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: select the correct kernel and hit e i believe
[06:19] <phlaegel> anyboyd know if inotify is going to be in the hoary kernel?
[06:20] <hypa7ia> oh neat, e brings up a secret menu :-)
[06:20] <GotD0t> haha
[06:20] <GotD0t> tell me exactly what you see
[06:21] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: lemme guess... when you dist-upgraded they all threw locale errors?
[06:21] <hypa7ia> root (hd0,4) // kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=771 quiet s-> // saveddefault // boot
[06:21] <hypa7ia> the //'s are newlines
[06:22] <GotD0t> gotcha
[06:22] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, no, i used synsptics and got throught with mostly no erroprs
[06:22] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: mostly no errors?
[06:22] <hypa7ia> yeah, just xorg-driver-synaptics for my touchpad
[06:22] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: did you change the locale?
[06:23] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, no
[06:24] <GotD0t>         root (hd0,4)
[06:24] <GotD0t>         kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8.1-3-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro quiet splash
[06:24] <GotD0t>         initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-686
[06:24] <eclipse> ff
[06:24] <GotD0t> try that
[06:25] <hypa7ia> there's no initrd in /boot
[06:25] <GotD0t> what?
[06:25] <hypa7ia> perhaps that is the issue?
[06:26] <GotD0t> gave you that error?
[06:26] <hypa7ia> i go to add that line, and tab-tab to see what's in boot, and there's no such file there
[06:26] <GotD0t> but you can see the files in there?
[06:27] <hypa7ia> yup
[06:27] <GotD0t> whats in it
[06:28] <hypa7ia> grub/ System.map-bla-bla x2 2 kernel configs and 2 vmlinuz's
[06:28] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: thats... interesting
[06:29] <hypa7ia> yeah, tell me about it
[06:29] <GotD0t> thats bad...
[06:29] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, there is one in /
[06:29] <GotD0t> oh
[06:29] <hypa7ia> like, not in /boot
[06:29] <GotD0t> point to that one
[06:30] <GotD0t> thats interesting... why would it get moved
[06:30] <GotD0t> just point to that one
[06:30] <hypa7ia> arright, bad file or directory type
[06:31] <GotD0t> what did you tell it exactly
[06:32] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, initrd /initrd
[06:32] <eclipse> ...
[06:32] <hypa7ia> because that's the file na,e
[06:32] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: thats a directory... see whats in the directory
[06:32] <hypa7ia> nada
[06:33] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, if i booted into something like knoppix couldi just copy down an initrd temporarily?
[06:34] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: might work...
[06:34] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: what i did to fix it when i had this problem was pop in my SuSe 9.2 pro CD and do a manual "repair" on the OS which basically lets you bypass the bootloader
[06:34] <hypa7ia> sheesh.  how could this have happened?
[06:35] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: so i was in my system and i moved a few files around and did a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:35] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: and it fixed it
[06:36] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: so if knoppix will boot your system for you then you could do that
[06:36] <GotD0t> did you follow the how-to on upgrading to hoary?
[06:37] <hypa7ia> GotD0t, i just changed the hwarty sources to hoary and went for it
[06:37] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: man... i gotta sleep, early class tomorrow... try seeing what you can do from knoppix
[06:37] <hypa7ia> thanks for helping
[06:37] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: theres your problem... hoary uses UTF-8
[06:38] <hypa7ia> :-))
[06:38] <hypa7ia> hmm
[06:38] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: you needed to change your character encoding to UTF-8
[06:38] <hypa7ia> that would cause my kernel images to go poof?
[06:38] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: no... but a failed upgrade could ;-)
[06:38] <hypa7ia> one last q :-)
[06:38] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: shoot
[06:39] <hypa7ia> can i run apt within knoppix?
[06:39] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: i dont know if it allows you to boot an OS from the hard-disk
[06:39] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: ive never used it before
[06:39] <hypa7ia> okay, i'll try manually installing the kernel
[06:39] <hypa7ia> thanks a ton GotD0t :-))
[06:39] <GotD0t> hypa7ia: look around for a repair option when going into knoppix
[06:39] <GotD0t> oh not a problem
[06:39] <GotD0t> night
[06:39] <hypa7ia> nitenite!
[06:40] <tommie_> fixed that X problem by upgrading everything to hoary
[06:41] <cef_work> anyone had any problems with LVM on ubuntu, specifically on amd64?
[06:41] <wi1> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.8.1.tar.gz
[06:41] <wi1> that's the correct source for ubuntu, correct?
[06:41] <Tomcat_> No wi1...
[06:41] <wi1> what is then?
[06:42] <cef_work> it's the core, there are patches on top of that
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Use Synaptic or apt-get to install the kernel-source package.
[06:42] <Tomcat_> I need to install it myself actually, so wait a few minutes...
[06:42] <wi1> Tomcat_:  i can't dude.
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Oh..
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Well the source is correct, but it won't help you much, as the Ubuntu kernel is patched and stuff. :o
[06:42] <wi1> goddam it
[06:42] <Tomcat_> Also, for my Cisco VPN Client I needed sources *after* compile.
[06:42] <cef_work> wil: can't wait or can't use apt-get/synaptic?
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: no, im on windows.
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: i need the source to get dial up working on linux
[06:43] <cef_work> wil: ahh ok.. hold a sec
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: okay
[06:43] <cef_work> wil: trying to set up a windows modem?
[06:43] <wi1> cef_work: bingo
[06:44] <wi1> cef_work: it's easy with the 2.4.22 kernel, but 2.6.n pathces require the kernel source
[06:44] <cef_work> wil: ahh ok.. have you got ubuntu installed at all?
[06:44] <wi1> cef_work: yeah
[06:44] <cef_work> wil: tried with the kernel headers or do you need full source?
[06:45] <wi1> cef_work: i have no clue.
[06:45] <wi1> cef_work: want the packages i downloaded?
[06:45] <cef_work> wil: nah it's ok... hold a sec
[06:46] <cef_work> wil: so x86 correct?
[06:46] <wi1> cef_work:  yeah
[06:47] <Tomcat_> What package do I need to install for custom kernel modules?
[06:47] <hypa7ia> are there hoary install iso's anywhere yet?
[06:47] <hypa7ia> Tomcat_, linux-headers i think
[06:47] <Tomcat_> The program's howto says I need the kernel source, but there's not kernel source package with Ubuntu... :o
[06:47] <subterrific> hypa7ia: i was just about to ask the same thing
[06:47] <tommie_> hypa7ia: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/
[06:47] <tommie_> i tried a hoary disc this morning, it wouldn't detect my cd-rom during setup so i couldn't install anything
[06:48] <hypa7ia> woo hoo
[06:48] <hypa7ia> okay
[06:49] <cef_work> wil: deb is here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.1_all.deb , diff from upstreak kernel source is here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.1.diff.gz
[06:52] <hypa7ia> http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/daily/20041129/ <-- today's
[06:52] <Tomcat_> Ah...
[06:52] <cef_work> erm, upstreak = upstream
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: which should i get?
[06:52] <Tomcat_> linux-source... just read it in the Wiki.
[06:52] <tommie_> ya that's the one i tried i think
[06:52] <hypa7ia> other bonehead q: is it possible to not format my /home during install?
[06:52] <cef_work> wil: if you have kernel source already, just download the diff (smaller).. if you don't, download the .deb
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: okay.
[06:52] <hypa7ia> i have 4 partitions, and just want the /root to get formatted
[06:52] <cef_work> wil: then just 'dpkg -i linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.1_all.deb' and it'll create a source tree that you can build images and the like from
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: huh?
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: i need to get it into /usr/src so i can do minimal work, possible :-P
[06:52] <cef_work> wil: once you download the linux-source deb, get into linux, copy the .deb somewhere and just run 'dpkg -i linux-source-2.6.8.1_2.6.8.1-16.1_all.deb' and it'll create the source tree. afaik, it puts it in /usr/src
[06:52] <MFen> is there a release schedule available somewhere?
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: thanks.
[06:52] <wi1> cef_work: much appreciated.
[06:52] <cef_work> MFen: somewhere on the website/wiki yes.. but basically every 6ish months is the goal\
[06:53] <MFen> cef_work: is hoary coming soon based on that?
[06:53] <cef_work> MFen: next year, yeah.. march i think
[06:53] <MFen> cef_work: okie dokie, thanks
[06:56] <electroglas> What is the correct format for the name of an Ubuntu shared ipp printer?
[06:56] <electroglas> I have tried http://192.168.2.16:631 etc with no luck
[06:57] <subterrific> http? the printer uses http?
[06:58] <electroglas> I can see the Ubuntu printer web admin page with the above address, but I can't figure out how to setup this network printer using ipp...
[06:58] <subterrific> take off the http
[06:58] <electroglas> ipp://192.168.2.16:631????????
[06:59] <subterrific> i don't think any printers use http for printing ;)
[06:59] <subterrific> try just the ip address?
[06:59] <electroglas> From the wiki:    In Windows 2000, I selected Start->Settings->Printers, and double-clicked on Add Printer to start the Add Printer Wizard. I chose Network Printer, and I chose Connect to a printer on the Internet or on your intranet. For the URL, I entered
[06:59] <electroglas>     *
[06:59] <electroglas>       http://192.168.1.2:631/printers/ML-1750
[07:04] <wi1> hey, who built ubuntu? cause it's slick. i like it. i also like how it doesn't include KDE< cause KDE is slow as hell, and just jumbled. but gnome is slick.
[07:04] <Lin> Hi all.. where can I found language-support* packages?
[07:04] <electroglas> With only the ip, I get destination not found
[07:04] <melazyboy> wi1: Thats very profound.
[07:04] <wi1> melazyboy: haha.
[07:04] <wi1> i can explain it, but i as soon as i received it in the mail, i installed it.the live CD is awesome too
[07:04] <melazyboy> does anyone have a radeon card with 3d acceleration in hoary xorg  yet?
[07:04] <cef_work> ipp uses http commands on port 631
[07:04] <melazyboy> wi1: Amazing!!!
[07:04] <wi1> melazyboy: i got a feeling your being sarcastic (and you are :-p) but i dont care, cause i got a download going
[07:04] <cef_work> and ipp is supported by an expanding number of network printers, and cups uses ipp by default
[07:04] <melazyboy> wi1: Holy Jesus, thats so unreal!!!
[07:04] <Xenguy> yeah, drop the sarcasm, it achieves nothing
[07:04] <melazyboy> lol
[07:04] <melazyboy> I just didn't know you could download something with linux
[07:04] <Lin> there is jigdo repositories to build ubuntu disks?
[07:04] <electroglas> I can print on the Ubuntu PC with the printer installed on LPT1, but not from another Ubuntu PC using a remote network printer
[07:04] <jdub> Lin: there are jigdo files on releases.ubuntu.com
[07:04] <Xenguy> well I could always /ignore I suppose if you insist =)
[07:04] <wi1> melazyboy: you cant, im using windows (it's a joke)
[07:04] <melazyboy> on a more serious note, does anyone have Fglrx working or the DRI to the point where they can get over 1k fps in glxgears using the new edition of xorg
[07:04] <Lin> jdub, thank you!
[07:04] <jdub> Lin: the language-support-* packages don't exist uet
[07:04] <electroglas> Can I share the printer using Samba?
[07:04] <cef_work> electroglas: the wiki does mention the name of the printer. you've tried using the name you defined?
[07:05] <jdub> Lin: (the openoffice.org package will be fixed soon)
[07:05] <Lin> jdub, thank you again! :-)
[07:05] <electroglas> It set itself to hplaser-4 and I have tried many combinations - any suggestions for another stab??
[07:05] <Lin> jdub, there is some way to install openoffice.org?
[07:05] <Lin> some workaround?
[07:05] <cef_work> electroglas: I'd go through it with you myself, but my ubuntu box is currently reinstalling stuff
[07:06] <LucidVisions> melazyboy: i am,but with a matrox,hehe
[07:06] <melazyboy> =[
[07:06] <jdub> Lin: you'll be able to upgrade it normally as soon as the depends bug is fixed
[07:06] <melazyboy> You would think with the radeon chipset so big, more people would be complaining about this, and it would have been hammered out
[07:07] <electroglas> How about the format for the path? Would it be ipp://192.168.2.16/hplaserjet-4
[07:07] <suchit> I am trying to deliver mails in pstfix from a client machine to local users on the relay host machine
[07:07] <Lin> jdub, there isn't hoary jigdo files. :-/
[07:07] <suchit> Error: Connection refused
[07:08] <jdub> Lin: yeah, wouldn't recommend installing hoary from cd yet anyway
[07:08] <suchit> please help
[07:08] <LucidVisions> melazyboy: true,but ati is working hard to improve there drivers,soon they will be solid
[07:08] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: Im calling you on that one, bullshit.
[07:08] <Lin> jdub, ok. thank you again.. because I'm mirroring hoary and I'm trying to generate iso files.
[07:08] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: =/
[07:09] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: I mean oblvious to Xorg, fyi the rglrx drivers aren't supported for the 2.6 kernel..
[07:09] <melazyboy> flgrx*
[07:09] <LucidVisions> what do you mean,,its been well documented by the driver developers
[07:09] <wi1> jdub: you're a pimp. what part of ubuntu you work on?
[07:09] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: they will work, but are no supported.
[07:09] <jdub> wi1: release management, desktop team lead.
[07:09] <subterrific> jdub: hmm, why isn't it a good idea to install hoary from cd yet?
[07:09] <LucidVisions> ahh,,
[07:09] <Ubuntu> I am trying to deliver mails in pstfix from a client machine to local users on the relay host machine
[07:09] <Ubuntu> Error: Connection refused
[07:09] <wi1> jdub: were you in it from the beginning?
[07:10] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: They don't have an FAQ or mention of further development on fglrx, or an acknowledgement of the current problems with it
[07:10] <jdub> wi1: yeah
[07:10] <hypa7ia> lol Problematic
[07:10] <jdub> subterrific: it won't work very well :)
[07:10] <Problematic> haha
[07:10] <jdub> subterrific: better to upgrade from warty to hoary
[07:10] <wi1> jdub: nice. keep doing the good work man, ubuntu looks pretty promising.
[07:10] <Problematic> need some help to resolve
[07:10] <hypa7ia> --- Ubuntu is now known as Problematic
[07:10] <subterrific> jdub: bleh, i just want to try it on my amd64 :(
[07:10] <LucidVisions> um,,,ok,,your right,anyhow i love my matrox,my 9200 is back sitting in the box
[07:11] <Problematic> does anybody know anythin about this? I am stuck with email problems
[07:11] <LucidVisions> I was talking about the "real" ati drivers that are under heavy development
[07:11] <Problematic> :(
[07:12] <LucidVisions> Have you tried them yet? I had my 9200 working fast with them,
[07:12] <LucidVisions> hard to setup though,
[07:13] <RuffianSoldier> When will these damn Ubuntu CDs arive?
[07:14] <electroglas> Network printing was easier to setup from Ubuntu to WinXP................
[07:15] <electroglas> Ubuntu to Ubuntu is a PITA
[07:15] <|trey|> RuffianSoldier: mine came in today...
[07:15] <RuffianSoldier> AWsome
[07:16] <Problematic> I am trying to deliver mails in pstfix from a client machine to local users on the relay host machine. Error at client machine says "Connection Refused" and mail is sent back to sender.
[07:16] <Problematic> please help
[07:16] <Problematic> would be appreciated
[07:18] <cef_work> hrm, that's annoying.. I can't seem to get ubuntu to connect to an IPP/Cups printer
[07:19] <ernesto> hello everyone, does anybody knows why Totem movie player doesn't play mpeg movies under ubuntu?
[07:19] <ernesto> I just finished installing ubuntu, but when I try to play an mpg file with totem it says it can't play the movie for unknown reasons
[07:19] <hypa7ia> so i'm doing a fresh install, was a dumbass and didn't change the locale in warty when i tried to go to hoary and broke many things.  so i'm reinstalling and wanted to know if how to tell the installer not to format my old /home drive
[07:19] <|trey|> ernesto: you need codecs
[07:20] <|QuaD|> ernesto: you might want to install the xine version
[07:20] <ernesto> trey, thanks, how or where do I get the codecs?
[07:20] <cef_work> jdub: who wrote the pinter interface thing for gnome? it's a bit lacking, painful to use, and buggy
[07:21] <|QuaD|> ernesto: easier... apt-get remove totem
[07:21] <|QuaD|> apt-get install totem-xine
[07:21] <electroglas> Crash, crash and crash
[07:21] <cef_work> jdub: erm, printer even
[07:21] <cef_work> electroglas: yeah.. crashes if you do anything more than once
[07:21] <RuffianSoldier> |trey|, Why do I have 2 cup holders on my computer case?
[07:21] <|QuaD|> ernesto: you might have to apt-get remove totem-gstreamer
[07:22] <ernesto> QuaD, during the installation it never asked me for a root password, what'd the password?
[07:22] <Lin> good bye
[07:22] <|QuaD|> ernesto do "sudo apt-get remove ...."
[07:22] <cef_work> ernesto: if you get asked for a password, it'll be your password always.. there is no root
[07:22] <|QuaD|> type your pass as root password
[07:22] <ernesto> ok
[07:22] <electroglas> cef_work - I noticed the crashing after 50-100 retries on the network printer
[07:22] <rory__> morning
[07:23] <electroglas> :(
[07:23] <ernesto> I already tried my password as root password and didn't work doing the su
[07:23] <|QuaD|> do it as i said
[07:23] <subterrific> ernesto: use sudo
[07:23] <subterrific> not su
[07:23] <ernesto> let me try
[07:23] <subterrific> and if you want roots environment, then do: sudo su -
[07:23] <cef_work> electroglas: yeah. I've got a xerox/tektronix colour postscript printer that does ipp/lpd/etc
[07:24] <ernesto> guys, it's working :)
[07:24] <rory__> why "sudo su -" ?
[07:24] <|QuaD|> we figured it would
[07:24] <subterrific> rory__: to get roots full environment
[07:24] <ernesto> QuaD, I'm doing install totem-xine and says package doesn't exist
[07:25] <|QuaD|> do you have universal repo?
[07:25] <rory__> but why not just "su" ?
[07:25] <subterrific> su doesn't give you the full environment
[07:25] <subterrific> you need that -
[07:25] <ernesto> QuaD, I have my sources.lists configured just the way ubuntu installed it, I haven't edited it
[07:25] <rory__> ok
[07:25] <|QuaD|> add the universal repo
[07:25] <|QuaD|> i believe you just uncomment out a line
[07:25] <rory__> and the diff between "sudo su -" and "su -" ?
[07:25] <ernesto> QuaD: don't want to be a pest...but...how do I add the universal repo?
[07:26] <subterrific> rory__: it isn't as important with ubuntu, but with other distros where normal users don't have /sbin in their PATH, it is helpful
[07:26] <|QuaD|> sudo /etc/apt/sources.[some extension] 
[07:26] <rory__> oh right... ok cool
[07:26] <|QuaD|> i forget the extension
[07:26] <rory__> .list
[07:26] <|QuaD|> that makes sense :)
[07:26] <ernesto> ok QuaD and after doing that?
[07:26] <subterrific> rory__: for example, i use it a lot on gentoo
[07:26] <rory__> [08:27:26]  <rory__> .list
[07:26] <rory__> [08:27:26]  -rabidbt- rory__: Admin, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Google, KeepAlive, Misc, Owner, Seen, and User
[07:26] <rory__> ?
[07:27] <|QuaD|> uncomment out the line with universal
[07:27] <ernesto> Quad, you mean I should open the sources.list?
[07:27] <fabbione> .list
[07:27] <|QuaD|> ?
[07:27] <|QuaD|> i told you what to do
[07:28] <ernesto> sorry, I just read it
[07:28] <ernesto> now I'm doing an apt-get update :D
[07:28] <|QuaD|> ok
[07:29] <rory__> ta
[07:30] <ernesto> what if I want to play AVIs?
[07:30] <rory__> hehe LucidVisions
[07:30] <subterrific> LucidVisions: you're wrong
[07:30] <subterrific> :)
[07:30] <LucidVisions> why am i wrong?
[07:30] <rory__> im one of those "bad" admins that just logs in as root
[07:30] <subterrific> LucidVisions: how is remembering two passwords easier than one?
[07:30] <ernesto> rory, are you the guy that has a blog at neopoleon?
[07:30] <rory__> subterrific, make them the same :P
[07:31] <rory__> no ernesto
[07:31] <subterrific> rory__: thats pointless, you might as well use sudo
[07:31] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:31] <rory__> its 5 extra characters to type
[07:31] <ernesto> QuaD, do you know how to play AVIs on totem-xine?
[07:31] <|QuaD|> they play natively
[07:31] <ernesto> MPGs are playing fine now
[07:32] <ernesto> but AVIs, I just hear sound
[07:32] <ernesto> no video
[07:32] <ernesto> hum...maybe is DivX
[07:32] <|QuaD|> could be your sound
[07:32] <|QuaD|> i mean file
[07:32] <ernesto> you are right
[07:32] <ernesto> it played now
[07:32] <ernesto> thank you :)
[07:32] <ernesto> thanks a lot everyone
[07:33] <|QuaD|> i liek it more and more everyday
[07:33] <ernesto> I like the fact that it uses gnome 2.8
[07:33] <|QuaD|> thats one of my 2 dislikes
[07:34] <rory__> i dont like that nautilus lan browsing sucks
[07:34] <rory__> but konqueror is ok with smb://
[07:34] <|QuaD|> i like kde
[07:34] <melazyboy> is there anyway to find out if your using kernel functionality, im wondering if i can say no to CONFIG_AGP_INTEL -- is there anyway to find out if im using that currently or not
[07:37] <melazyboy> Im using an intel motherboard, and an ATI Radeon card, there is a CONFIG_AGP_ATI as well, im not sure if the CONFIG_AGP_* is reffering to the bus, or the card, or maybe the ATI refers to the card while the INTEL refers to the bus, while that woulden't be all that logical
[07:37] <ernesto> how do I set a password for root?
[07:37] <melazyboy> BRB AFK one sec
[07:37] <melazyboy> ernesto: passwd root
[07:37] <|QuaD|> ernesto: check the wicki
[07:37] <|QuaD|> *wiki
[07:37] <LucidVisions> sudo passwd root
[07:37] <LucidVisions> then tyoe in the password you want for your root
[07:38] <ernesto> thanks a lot guys
[07:38] <ernesto> will keep playing with this baby
[07:38] <ernesto> thanks!
[07:38] <LucidVisions> QuaD: ive almost got bitc@ slapped for not saying sudo passwd root
[07:38] <LucidVisions> hehe
[07:38] <|QuaD|> lol
[07:39] <jmhodges> anyone know why flash-player nonfree depends on ruby of all things?
[07:40] <melazyboy> putting sudo before everything is redundant
[07:40] <melazyboy> what if they already hit sudo -s
[07:41] <LucidVisions> true,,
[07:41] <melazyboy> not to mention knowing what sudo does is very important, when im teaching linux to others i have them ask themselves the question "If i did this wrong, could i permently fuck things up?" and if they answer yes, it requires root.
[07:41] <bborkk> Does Ubuntu have a stand on which GUI toolkit to use with Python?  I'm thinking of pyGTK, wxPython, Tkinter, Tix, etc.
[07:43] <jdub> bborkk: pygtk is the most likely
[07:44] <bborkk> jdub: What do you mean by most likely?
[07:44] <jdub> bborkk: it's the one we would most likely prefer
[07:44] <melazyboy> The answer to my question, incase anyone cares is CONFIG_AGP_ATI refers to ati's implimintation of AGP in laptops
[07:44] <jdub> bborkk: it's basically between pygtk and wxpython ;)
[07:45] <Dethread> anyone know which package contains the C standard library man pages?
[07:45] <jdub> Dethread: manpages-dev?
[07:45] <bborkk> jdub: Is there someplace that documents the discussion regarding the two?
[07:45] <Poof> Hello :) I was wondering if ubuntu uses Debian APT repositories? TIA :)
[07:45] <jdub> bborkk: no, there was no discussion
[07:45] <jdub> Poof: no, we have our own.
[07:46] <Poof> in a pinch can I use DEB packages?
[07:46] <bborkk> jdub: Why would pyGTK be preferred?
[07:46] <hypa7ia> oy, the curses installer is all wonky in the daily hoary iso
[07:46] <Poof> is there a package list somewhare?
[07:46] <Dethread> jdub: I have those installed, but when I do "man 2 printf" it says no such man page exists :(
[07:46] <jdub> bborkk: because it's one of the official gnome bindings, gnome related things tend to be written with it, etc.
[07:46] <melazyboy> Poof: Yes
[07:46] <Poof> Thankyou :)
[07:47] <jdub> Poof: we strongly discourage using packages from debian
[07:47] <Dethread> jdub, never mind, it's in 3 :)
[07:47] <melazyboy> Poof: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, don't mention it here people will eat you
[07:47] <Poof> :)
[07:47] <jdub> Poof: you're better off sticking to the ubuntu repos - the combination of main, universe and multiverse cover almost all of the debian packages, built for ubuntu.
[07:47] <melazyboy> Poof: =D it really isn't a good idea, to do that and do something radical like dist-upgrade, and be carefull not to break ubuntu-desktop, if you use apt's upgrade and dist-upgrade fetures
[07:48] <Poof> Ok i do a dist upgrade before I tweak the sourcelist :)
[07:48] <Poof> then change back after I get what I need :)
[07:48] <Poof> I need Blender for X86-64bit
[07:49] <melazyboy> Poof: Thats what i would suggest, and i really would have to side with jdub, if your using hoary the Ubuntu universe has 90% of the usefull packages of Debian's repos
[07:49] <Poof> and some video editing software
[07:49] <Poof> Cool :)
[07:49] <jdub> Poof: start without debian repositories. if there's something you need that isn't available, ask about it.
[07:49] <Poof> Ok cool :)
[07:49] <melazyboy> Poof: Did you check hoary for those packages?
[07:50] <Poof> what is hoary?
[07:50] <melazyboy> Poof: Hoary is the equiv of deb's sid
[07:50] <Poof> I am installing warty
[07:50] <melazyboy> Poof: Its the devel branch, where as warty is the woody of deb
[07:50] <Poof> on other system
[07:50] <melazyboy> Poof: Just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list, and s/warty/hoary
[07:50] <Poof> warty for 86_64 bit
[07:50] <|QuaD|> but remember, hoarty is actually unstable
[07:51] <Poof> Cool! I always run SID anyways :)
[07:51] <|QuaD|> Poof: i used to run sid, make sure you understand HOW unstable hoary is
[07:51] <|QuaD|> sid never crashed... hoary will
[07:51] <melazyboy> Poof: I figured most of us with the live dangerously attitude do
[07:51] <|QuaD|> hoary is TRUELY bleeding edge
[07:51] <Poof> yea I have tried 3 distros today :)
[07:52] <jmhodges> well, i dont know if "will crash" is likely
[07:52] <Poof> fedora core 2,3 and #ubuntu
[07:52] <jmhodges> but perhaps i just have a nice easy system on it..
[07:52] <jmhodges> s/on/using/
[07:52] <melazyboy> |QuaD|: Hoary and sid have the same versions in all of their major packages, xorg, kernel, gnome/kde etc, i don't see much grounds to calling Hoary less stable then sid
[07:52] <Poof> I am happy to have a 64 bit Debian based system :)
[07:53] <|QuaD|> melazyboy: are you sure? what version of gnome/gtk does each use?
[07:53] <Poof> Sweet! it is installing Xfree 4.3.0! I can use my ATI card with it :D
[07:53] <Poof> is there KDE for #ubuntu?
[07:53] <melazyboy> |QuaD|: Add hoary sid to your sources, and do apt-cache shopkg, it will list them all
[07:53] <melazyboy> showpkg*
[07:54] <melazyboy> all meaning all distros listed with that package name
[07:54] <|QuaD|> melazyboy: not now
[07:54] <|QuaD|> but from what i understand, hoary is more bleeding edge
[07:54] <melazyboy> Poof: Don't upgrade to hoary!! caveat, ati will not work with hoary if you use FGLRX it wil take a big stinky dump on you
[07:55] <rory__> lol
[07:55] <Poof> ok I leave it default :)
[07:55] <hypa7ia> so the hoary installer fails to find my laptop's cdrom drive.  methinks i should bugreport this, no?
[07:55] <melazyboy> Poof: Yea you would be in the same position i am.. 200fps on glxgears and no 3d accel, bad x performance
[07:56] <Poof> 0o
[07:56] <Poof> I need 3d excell
[07:56] <Poof> for wings and Blender
[07:56] <Poof> I am a 3d artist :)
[07:57] <Poof> http://www.s91842597.onlinehome.us/NEWGALLERY/NEWGALLERY.htm
[07:57] <Poof> my gallery
[07:58] <|QuaD|> ahhh... soo much javascript?
[07:58] <|QuaD|> i mean !
[07:58] <glar00k> uh, damn ... that cursor thing sucks :)
[07:58] <electroglas> I fixed the Ubuntu to Ubuntu network ipp printing issue by adding the servername (192.168.2.16) to client.conf and then running lpq
[07:58] <Poof> wow! this is a lot faster than Fedora core :)
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> Poof, hahahah! DUH!
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> I HATE FEDORA!
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> BLOATED CRAP, and it ruined a great system
[07:59] <|QuaD|> the question is... is does it boot up in 40 seconds like fedora can (for the record, i hate fedora)
[07:59] <jdub> RuffianSoldier: dude, none of that please.
[07:59] <RuffianSoldier> jdub, :-/
[08:00] <deFrysk> why hate fedora ?
[08:00] <LucidVisions> Poof: thoes frogs are pimp
[08:00] <deFrysk> is that important ?
[08:00] <|QuaD|> i hate rpms
[08:00] <|QuaD|> i haven't used fedora, i used redhat 8, mandrake 9, then went to debian
[08:00] <|QuaD|> recently tried suse
[08:00] <|QuaD|> wow did i hate suse
[08:00] <crimsun> |QuaD|: if there's sufficient interest, perhaps. The boot sequence is always being tweaked, of course.
[08:00] <spacey`ki> i just don't use it:) no need to curse them
[08:00] <Poof> Hooray! I found synaptic!
[08:01] <|QuaD|> crimsun: it was a joke :)
[08:01] <deFrysk> spacey, agree
[08:01] <Poof> no kde ? 0o
[08:01] <|QuaD|> Poof: you can put it on, i reccomend against it, i was a diehard kde user
[08:01] <spacey`ki> hollandse nuchterheid =P
[08:01] <jdub> Poof: kde is not supported in ubuntu, but it's available in universe.
[08:02] <Poof> ok thanks :)
[08:02] <glar00k> any chance that gpdf gets supported? :)
[08:02] <Poof> no blender :(
[08:03] <jdub> glar00k: potentially for hoary
[08:03] <glar00k> jdub, cool
[08:07] <LucidVisions> anyone here have any experience with user mode linux?
[08:07] <crimsun> LucidVisions: yes.
[08:08] <Poof> can I do the  FGLRX for my ATI card from the terminal?
[08:08] <jdub> totem http://home.waugh.id.au:8800/
[08:08] <jdub> ^ or mplayer
[08:09] <LucidVisions> crimsun: Is it pretty stable to run,ive been using vmware under ubintu to run gentoo,but would i get more performance/stablity with uml?
[08:09] <|QuaD|> LucidVisions: i want to run vmware... sux it costs an arm and a le
[08:09] <Agrajag> UML is stable enough that a lot of kernel hackers are using it for testing
[08:10] <rory__> how do you disable DMA in grub when installing Ubuntu ?
[08:10] <crimsun> LucidVisions: depending on if you use extra kernel modules for vmware in ubuntu, u-m-l will probably be slower, though it certainly is stable and works.
[08:12] <LucidVisions> crimsun: cool,thanks..I just want to quit using a theved vmware,,hehe.So I think ill use uml,Im also using pearpc to run osx,but its pretty slow,hehe
[08:12] <mdz> jdub: are those your pants, cast asunder in the background?
[08:13] <jdub> oh
[08:13] <jdub> that's a towel
[08:13] <|QuaD|> LucidVisions: you don't like vmware?
[08:13] <jdub> but i am not wearing any pants
[08:13] <crimsun> LucidVisions: I've heard similar reports of sluggishness in PearPC
[08:13] <bborkk> Poof: Do you have fglrx running on a laptop?
[08:14] <LucidVisions> QuaD: I like it alot,but im using a theved copy,and feel bad,im trying to be more zen
[08:14] <LucidVisions> hehe
[08:14] <crimsun> LucidVisions: why not try Xen instead?
[08:14] <|QuaD|> LucidVisions: oh, lol.... it sux there are no free alternatives that are as fast
[08:15] <LucidVisions> crimsun: Is zen another progge like pearpc?
[08:15] <rory__> any complaints about bochs?
[08:15] <LucidVisions> QuaD; true
[08:15] <rory__> i want to install a virtual ubuntu
[08:15] <crimsun> LucidVisions: comparable to VMWare, except it's free and possibly faster.
[08:15] <LucidVisions> nice,,ill look it up real quick
[08:15] <LucidVisions> thanks,,
[08:16] <|QuaD|> crimsun: faster?
[08:16] <crimsun> |QuaD|: try it and judge.
[08:16] <Poof>  FGLRX is not for 64 bit yet :(
[08:17] <|QuaD|> crimsun: is it as easy to make vm's as vmware?
[08:18] <jdub> totem http://home.waugh.id.au:8800/
[08:18] <jdub> ^ or mplayer
[08:18] <crimsun> |QuaD|: I don't believe it's as point-n'-click simple, no
[08:18] <|QuaD|> :( oh well can't have everything
[08:19] <LucidVisions> cool,it looks intresting http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/index.html
[08:19] <|QuaD|> crimsun: "Xen requires that OSes are ported to run on it"
[08:19] <|QuaD|> thats not a good thing
[08:19] <crimsun> |QuaD|: good thing Linux is a primary platform for Xen's development, eh?
[08:19] <|QuaD|> LOL
[08:20] <|QuaD|> i want to experiment with hurd and freebsd (or even open, never cared for net though)
[08:20] <crimsun> FreeBSD will run under Xen soon
[08:20] <|QuaD|> heh
[08:21] <Tsjoklat> hey Klowner :0
[08:21] <LucidVisions> I cant believe ive never heard of Xen,thanks a million,ill add it to my assortment
[08:23] <rory__> is it faster than bochs?
[08:24] <crimsun> rory__: Xen? Yes, though it's a bit misleading to compare the two.
[08:24] <de_wizze> how do I remove a share that I created under network:///
[08:25] <ironwolf> is bluetooth supported in warty?
[08:29] <LucidVisions> rory: do you use bochs? I just read that you can emulate an AMD64
[08:29] <LucidVisions> thats cool
[08:29] <cef_work> is there actually a packages.d.o equivalent for ubuntu yet?
[08:32] <cef_work> damnit.. backed up some stuff to a firewire device (h/drive) and now a reinstall has trouble reading it.. *sigh*
[08:32] <cef_work> just exactly what I don't need
[08:36] <|QuaD|> what is that quit message?
[08:36] <cef_work> now it works.. argh!!!
[08:37] <LucidVisions> Poof: needs a woman,lol
[08:39] <LucidVisions> I just grabbed that Xen tarball,,im reading up on it now,looks good
[08:39] <Pitr> http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/reflections/20041128-00.html
[08:40] <|QuaD|> they should gpl vmware
[08:40] <|QuaD|> we should start a petition!
[08:40] <UdontKnow> |QuaD|: why not just grab qemu?
[08:40] <|QuaD|> slow
[08:41] <UdontKnow> at least, qemu's vga support is way better than vmware
[08:41] <UdontKnow> qemu can run framebuffer
[08:41] <LucidVisions> Pitr: thats funny stuff indeed
[08:41] <ironwolf> bluetooth, warty anyone?  Is it in hoary?
[08:42] <cef_work> ok, what in the kernel would spit out 'Read (10) xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx' where xx = hex digits.. I'm getting this in dmesg and /var/log/messages
[08:42] <crimsun> ironwolf: yes.
[08:42] <crimsun> (to both)
[08:43] <ironwolf> crimsun: where's the how-to?
[08:43] <crimsun> ironwolf: beats me; I have 0 BT devices.
[08:43] <crimsun> ironwolf: feel free to contribute one
[08:43] <rory__> LucidVisions, not really... i use vmware sometimes
[08:43] <|QuaD|> alright... night folks
[08:44] <rory__> but dont have a spare license so using bochs
[08:44] <LucidVisions> laterz QuaD
[08:44] <rory__> im busy setting up a virtual machine to install ubuntu on
[08:44] <LucidVisions> have a good one
[08:44] <LucidVisions> thanks again
[08:44] <siimo> hi any xfce users here
[08:44] <ironwolf> *sigh* friend loaded ubuntu, he can't figure how to get bluetooth support.
[08:44] <LucidVisions> siimo: i use xfce4
[08:45] <jdub> ironwolf: what kind of bluetooth support?
[08:45] <ironwolf> jdub: a bluetooth phone
[08:45] <jdub> ironwolf: people.ubuntulinux.org/~jdub/warty/
[08:46] <jdub> ironwolf: and michael banck has multisync packages for warty, that support evolution 2
[08:46] <ulisse> Goood Mooornin' Ubuuuntuuuu!
[08:46] <LucidVisions> siimo: whats up with your xfce?
[08:46] <tommie_> Hey guys.. how do I change the functions of my extra mouse buttons (mouse4/mouse5?) to act as back/forward for Firefox?
[08:46] <siimo> its borked
[08:47] <herman_> my guts tell me ubuntu is running with only 256 colors. do i need to edit XFree config file or is there some tool to check/fix such things?
[08:47] <LucidVisions> dam,,in what way is it borked
[08:48] <LucidVisions> rory: what are you using as a vm currenly?
[08:48] <siimo> when i go in it it bumps me back out saying session ended in less than 10 seconds or somethingg
[08:48] <rory__> erm, as in host/guest/application ?
[08:48] <LucidVisions> host
[08:48] <rory__> win2k
[08:49] <LucidVisions> ah,,i see
[08:49] <ironwolf> jdub: do I add that to souces.list? then install bluez ?
[08:49] <gloin> http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[08:49] <gloin> =] 
[08:49] <gloin> <---new server project for me
[08:50] <LucidVisions> siimo: that is a new on for me,havent heatd of that problem before
[08:50] <crimsun> siimo: using 4.0.x or 4.2x?
[08:50] <crimsun> siimo: both work fine here
[08:50] <cef_work> grrrr. dumb scsi layer messages
[08:51] <siimo> whatever that is in ubuntu
[08:51] <melazyboy> herman_: try dpkg-reconfigure XFree89
[08:51] <gloin> apt-get install badger-linux
[08:52] <cef_work> XFree89???
[08:52] <fabbione> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:52] <LucidVisions> 89,,haha
[08:52] <cef_work> fabbione: heya
[08:52] <LucidVisions> tired?
[08:52] <fabbione> hey
[08:52] <LucidVisions> hehe
[08:52] <melazyboy> herman_: try dpkg-reconfigure XFree86
[08:52] <cef_work> fabbione: so can we beat up daniels yet? *grin*
[08:52] <fabbione> fabbione]   [#ubuntu-devel(+n)] 
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[08:52] <fabbione> <melazyboyops
[08:52] <fabbione> sorry
[08:52] <fabbione> melazyboy: no that is wrong
[08:52] <herman_> melazyboy, k :)
[08:52] <fabbione> herman_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[08:53] <melazyboy> Yar im wrong
[08:53] <fabbione> the other is plain wrong
[08:53] <melazyboy> there we go thats right
[08:53] <cef_work> bbk in 5
[08:53] <crimsun> xserver-xorg for Hoary; xserver-xfree86 for Warty
[08:54] <dementis> Hi all, anyone running Warty on Toshiba satellite A30/M34 ?
[08:54] <melazyboy> eta yet on fglrx and xorg, and who needs to do fixing xorg or ati
[08:54] <dementis> I'm having trouble getting the touchpad to work.
[08:54] <melazyboy> You know we have one person a day that comes in here and asks the same question... this time when someone answers it im going to pay attention
[08:55] <fabbione> melazyboy: daniles
[08:55] <fabbione> daniels
[08:55] <freakabcd> hi all
[08:55] <fabbione> siretart: unknown.. it should have been done already
[08:55] <dementis> heh, not me... first time here :)
[08:55] <melazyboy> I wonder if there is a way to flush my dc++ log to a file
[08:55] <freakabcd> anyone in .AU received their ubuntu CDs yet?
[08:56] <cef_work> freakabcd: not me
[08:56] <Tsjoklat> hey melazyboy
[08:56] <freakabcd> yeah, i haven;t got them either
[08:56] <crimsun> siimo: so 4.0.6?
[08:56] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Whats up =D
[08:56] <dementis> plenty of people on SLUG list raving about receiving theirs
[08:56] <cef_work> sounds typical
[08:56] <freakabcd> dementis, SLUG ?
[08:57] <freakabcd> Sydney?
[08:57] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy not much... how is TX treating you today
[08:57] <dementis> yeah, sorry...
[08:57] <cef_work> meanwhile, I'll just continue to wrestle with the scsi layer with this firewire device. ARGHHHH!
[08:57] <jdub> freakabcd: yeah, quite a few people have received them here,.
[08:58] <freakabcd> jdub, here is where in .au ?
[08:58] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: odd you asked that, it rained in the morning, was extremly humid during the day, now its 60deg, tomorrow it will rain and drop down to 40deg, and there are still 17 mexican rap stations
[08:58] <cef_work> freakabcd: jdub = in sydney
[08:58] <freakabcd> man, i'm trying to find out how the heck BLUG works!
[08:58] <herman_> my cd never arrived
[08:58] <cef_work> freakabcd: cef = in melb
[08:58] <stuNNed> where are they being shipped from?
[08:58] <jdub> stuNNed: .nl
[08:58] <herman_> good think i got an cd burner
[08:58] <cef_work> freakabcd: LucidVisions = in perth
[08:58] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: on the bright side, i didn't pay to see alexander
[08:59] <freakabcd> or even if its called BLUG and whether it has _any_ meetings ever!
[08:59] <gloin> ahh
[08:59] <gloin> you gotta try badger-linux
[08:59] <gloin> this is the ultimate case mod
[08:59] <gloin> Dead badgers do not heal, and a badger with broken legs will display limited mobility
[08:59] <stuNNed> punkass, hi, did you need to install kernel source .deb to get linuxant drivers working?  i think i've messed up a bit the install or something, is there .deb instructions on their site?
[08:59] <LucidVisions> nope,,LucidVisions = portland,Oregon
[08:59] <gloin> http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
[08:59] <gloin> <---Ashland, OR
[08:59] <ironwolf> jdub: did you see the question?
[08:59] <punkass> so i had nvidia drivers installed and working fine..i just updated to the K7 kernel and no nvidia drivers wont load, tried to reinstall nvidia-glx but that didnt seem to help
[08:59] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy how was it?
[08:59] <cef_work> Im really starting to hate scsi devices
[08:59] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I didn't see it and im celebrating
[09:00] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I heard it was that bad.
[09:00] <punkass> stuNNed: just some basic instructions
[09:00] <LucidVisions> gloin: we were a blue state
[09:00] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy hamana? celebrating what? you are moving? :P
[09:00] <punkass> and yes i believe i did install the source package
[09:00] <punkass> the deb they give u is just the source
[09:00] <crimsun> punkass: you need the linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r` package
[09:00] <punkass> ah ok thanks
[09:00] <gloin> LucidVisions: we are always a blue state
[09:00] <cef_work> LucidVisions: ahh, just plug also is the Perth Linux Users Group...
[09:01] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: No celebrating, not wasting my money on that stupid movie, lol some day ill move -- probably a few years away =/
[09:01] <gloin> LucidVisions: I'd live somewhere else if we were a red state
[09:01] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: *No celebrating on not wasting my money on that stupid movie, lol some day ill move -- probably a few years away =/
[09:01] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy didn't you say you got to see it for free?... <-- puzzled
[09:01] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: No no, Im celebrating not having seen it at all
[09:01] <dementis> Any tips on the Satellite A30 touchpad? Also, keyboard sometimes requires pressing <ctrl>+<shift> before it will work...
[09:02] <freakabcd> melazyboy, what movie?
[09:02] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy err then why did you say you saw Alexander?
[09:02] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: It was so bad that im told the whole movie theater jointly walked out, it happened 3 times on opening day, worst opening day ever is the rumor
[09:03] <Tsjoklat> the movie is not screened in my town, because of the fact that Alexander is being presented as bisexual...
[09:03] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Friends called up sunday to go see movie, and i was busy with homework, i coulden't go, im celebrating making that decision because they just told me how bad that movie was
[09:03] <ulisse> Since yesterday's update, on my hoary, ThunderBird and FireFox crashes
[09:03] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Really, the religious reich here is alittle pissed off about that too
[09:04] <ulisse> I think it could be due to locales
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy I am in no hurry to see it either.. just find it mighty lame that they won't air it... for Traffic I hate to drive to another town (two hours)
[09:04] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Where do you live again -- i remember you saying you were born in the netherlands
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> hate: had
[09:04] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy CA atm
[09:04] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Well lucky you.
[09:05] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy in buttf*(&nowhere
[09:05] <ulisse> noone can help?
[09:05] <melazyboy> ulisse: run them out of a console, consoles catch error out
[09:05] <crimsun> ulisse: are you current w/ Hoary?
[09:05] <ulisse> yes
[09:06] <crimsun> ulisse: follow melazyboy's suggestion
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> ulisse did you change to utf?
[09:06] <ulisse> *** ExtensionManager:_updateManifests: no access privileges to application directory, skipping.
[09:06] <ulisse> Segmentation fault
[09:06] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: How old are you?
[09:06] <gloin> Badgers may be run without security antennas, but this is not recommended. Insecure badgers may be hacked by anyone with a compatible card and badger bits.
[09:06] <ulisse> yes, i have it_IT UTF-8
[09:06] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy asking: how old are you is assuming I am old
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> ulisse.. I went back to ISO.. too much hassle with utf and hoary
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> ISO-8859-1
[09:07] <Tsjoklat> I know, most dev will hang me for this.. but I had nothing but problems with it..
[09:07] <siimo> hoary is for bleeding edge whores
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> siimo mind your tongue please
[09:08] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: not at all was going to follow it up with what college are you going to or planning on going to... most of the people i meet on irc are either working in silicon valley or attending some important college
[09:08] <gloin> <--bleeding edge whore
[09:08] <ProfQki> hi! I need some help with installing samba
[09:08] <Tsjoklat> siimo this is not #slackware
[09:08] <gloin> !
[09:08] <gloin> lol
[09:08] <gloin> Tsjoklat: oh man
[09:08] <gloin> ho ho ho
[09:08] <siimo> ive never been 2 sw
[09:08] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: either of which im envious of.
[09:08] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, ok, I switched back to ISO, let me restart X and back here...
[09:09] <melazyboy> ProfQki: needing help with installing samba is pretty broad, are you using synaptic?
[09:09] <melazyboy> ProfQki: Or needing help with smb.conf
[09:09] <ixus> Good morning.  Any via users here?  I could do with some graphics advice
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy I am not attending any posh UNI sorry neither do I work in the valley of silicon
[09:10] <LucidVisions> the OSDL is 20 milles from me
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy I am mearly the furniture in this channel :P
[09:10] <ProfQki> i use apt... and i' ve got an error message
[09:10] <Tsjoklat> wb ulisse
[09:10] <ProfQki> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:10] <ProfQki>   samba: Fgg: samba-common (= 3.0.7-1ubuntu6) de 3.0.7-1ubuntu6.2 mr teleptend
[09:10] <ProfQki> E: Broken packages
[09:10] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: lol
[09:10] <ulisse> nothing changed
[09:11] <ProfQki> and i cant install samba
[09:11] <ProfQki> how can i repair it?
[09:11] <Tsjoklat> ulisse.. I didn't get a change to tell you that changing back won't help... it is already set on your system.. I had to reinstall :{
[09:11] <melazyboy> ProfQki: 'apt-get -reinstall install samba-common'
[09:11] <melazyboy> ulisse: What exactly is the problem your locals are borked? or you don't know the problem and your making a speculation?
[09:11] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, is there a way to reinstall over current installation via apt?
[09:12] <Tsjoklat> ulisse utf+hoary did not work for me
[09:12] <siimo> ProfQki, are you using warty
[09:12] <Tsjoklat> ulisse do you want to stay with hoary or go back to warty?
[09:12] <melazyboy> ulisse: Yes the same context i just said, should reconfigure all of ubuntu if applied to the meta package, 'apt-get -reinstall install ubuntu-desktop'
[09:12] <ProfQki> siimo: yes iam using wart
[09:12] <LucidVisions> does nessus-update-plugins work for anyone else?
[09:13] <ProfQki> reinstall error message: Reinstallation of samba-common is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[09:13] <LucidVisions> im getting a wget not found,,but its installed
[09:13] <ulisse> melazboy, I think the problem is in the locales because yesterday Apt updated Locales, an I have also strange characters in the login screen
[09:13] <melazyboy> LucidVisions: is it in /usr/bin/wget?
[09:13] <LucidVisions> um,,lemme check
[09:14] <ulisse> melazyboy, instead of the * for the password I have a square with some numbers inside
[09:14] <siimo> ProfQki, have you tried apt-get update
[09:14] <LucidVisions> yeo
[09:14] <siimo> apt-get -f install
[09:14] <crimsun> ulisse: the locales package that was updated yesterday is a minor fix
[09:14] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, I'd like to stay with hoary
[09:14] <crimsun> ulisse: it won't affect locales proper
[09:14] <ProfQki> siimo: yes, it's done
[09:14] <melazyboy> ulisse: ulisse I might have to agree with your assumntion then, there is a dpkg that reconfigure locals one sec
[09:15] <davidpc> hey all. my wifi card (yup, broadcom chipset), which was working fine, has decided *not* to talk to my dhcp server anymore
[09:15] <ProfQki> siimo: any other idea?
[09:15] <davidpc> totally fresh install other than ndiswrapper
[09:15] <siimo> its working for me im not sure sry
[09:15] <Tsjoklat> ulisse... type: echo $LC_TYPE
[09:15] <ulisse> melazyboy, dpkg --configure locales
[09:15] <ulisse> dpkg: errore processando locales (--configure):
[09:15] <ulisse>  il pacchetto locales  gi installato e configurato
[09:15] <ulisse> Sono occorsi degli errori processando:
[09:15] <ulisse>  locales
[09:15] <Tsjoklat> what does that tell you
[09:16] <davidpc> getting no dhcpoffers even though other machines on the network are fine
[09:16] <melazyboy> ulisse: Thats because its dpkg-configre
[09:16] <melazyboy> ulisse: Thats because its dpkg-configure
[09:16] <gloin> does anyone here know any latin?
[09:16] <crimsun> melazyboy: you mean -reco..
[09:16] <Treenaks> gloin: you want to start #ubuntu-la ?
[09:16] <Treenaks> latin support?
[09:16] <gloin> Treenaks: nah heh
[09:17] <gloin> I just was wanting a snippet translated
[09:17] <melazyboy> ulisse: ***Thats because its 'dpkg-reconfigure locals'
[09:17] <melazyboy> there we go
[09:17] <crimsun> hehe
[09:17] <gloin> Suse vivo vixi victum reduco is ea id creatura absit decessus a facultas Linux! Dev root, dev root!
[09:17] <LucidVisions> nevermind,,its updating
[09:17] <deFrysk> locals= locales
[09:17] <gloin> the last bit I understand well enough
[09:18] <melazyboy> deFrysk: Thanks... =[
[09:18] <Tsjoklat> ulisse what did echo do?
[09:18] <ulisse> melazyboy, echo $LC_TYPE returns nothing
[09:18] <cef_work> well that's "oh so unhelpful".. *sigh* seems firewire is broken for me
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> ulisse if it was set up correctly it should give you a value for that
[09:19] <Tsjoklat> ulisse... I can only tell you what I had to do... sorry
[09:19] <deFrysk> locale charmap <enter>
[09:20] <deFrysk> UTF-8
[09:20] <deFrysk> ;)
[09:20] <davidpc> has anyone had a ndsiwrapper-bound card suddenly decide not to work? any advice on how to wake it up? dhcp server working fine and connection alive...just ubuntu machine not able to see it...any way to monitor wifi signal, perhaps?
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> and before anyone starts yelling about file a bug... no thank you, there are numerous of bugreports about xorg/utf-8 and what not
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> and it might work for you, awesome, it just didn't for me
[09:20] <Tsjoklat> basta
[09:21] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, do you speak Italian?
[09:21] <melazyboy> ulisse: Try deFrysk's advice before your nuke, 'local charmap'
[09:22] <deFrysk> local = locale
[09:22] <deFrysk> ;)
[09:22] <melazyboy> yar damit
[09:22] <deFrysk> :D
[09:22] <melazyboy> stupid homonymous
[09:22] <ulisse> deFrysk, if I type locale charmap i get ISO-8859-1
[09:22] <deFrysk> restart x
[09:22] <deFrysk> and try again
[09:23] <ulisse> deFrysk, what exactly I have to do?
[09:23] <deFrysk> ctrl-alt-backspace
[09:23] <Tsjoklat> ulisse I do
[09:23] <deFrysk> and come back
[09:24] <melazyboy> deFrysk: CTRL+BACKSPACE
[09:24] <melazyboy> or ctrl+alt+backspace rather
[09:24] <ulisse> deFrysk, but what should change restarting X?
[09:24] <deFrysk> your locales
[09:24] <deFrysk> should change
[09:25] <deFrysk> after restering/resetting/ x
[09:25] <deFrysk> restarting
[09:25] <ulisse> deFrysk, I think I have to do something before restarting X... or not?
[09:25] <deFrysk> ulisse, have you settet your locales to utf-8 ?
[09:25] <ulisse> deFrysk, to change locales, i mean
[09:25] <deFrysk> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:26] <deFrysk> choose utf-8
[09:26] <deFrysk> or an equivalent
[09:26] <deFrysk> use sudo
[09:26] <deFrysk> when done restart x
[09:27] <deFrysk> then check locale with locale charmap
[09:27] <deFrysk> done :/
[09:27] <ulisse> deFrysk, I have 2 UTF-8 choiches for it_IT: UTF-8 and UTF-8@euro
[09:27] <Treenaks> ulisse: use the UTF8 one, not the @euro one
[09:27] <ulisse> ok
[09:28] <ulisse> I'll back in a minute
[09:28] <deFrysk> Treenaks, :)
[09:28] <Treenaks> hey deFrysk
[09:28] <deFrysk> morning
[09:28] <cef_work> grrrr.. stupid damn ieee1394 driver
[09:29] <Treenaks> cef_work: what's with it?
[09:30] <cef_work> Treenaks: lots of "Read (10)" errors courtsey of the SCSI layer
[09:30] <Treenaks> nice
[09:30] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, locale charmap now returns UTF-8
[09:30] <davidpc> work, dammit!
[09:30] <cef_work> Treenaks: annoyhing is the 55G of data on the firewire drive
[09:30] <Treenaks> ulisse: then you now have an UTF-8 system, congratulations :)
[09:30] <cef_work> Treenaks: put on there by the same machine, with all the same hardware, running the same release of ubuntu
[09:31] <ulisse> Yes, but FF still crashes
[09:31] <melazyboy> cef_work: 'echo ieee1394 >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d'
[09:31] <cef_work> melazybo2: erm, Im actually TRYING to use the device
[09:32] <melazyboy> cef_work: ah different story then.
[09:32] <deFrysk> ulisse, FF = firefox ?
[09:32] <ulisse> deFrysk, yes, sorry
[09:32] <cef_work> melazyboy: might have to resort to usb 1.1 to get the data off the drive.. ughh!!!
[09:32] <deFrysk> java is correctly installed on ff ?
[09:32] <Tsjoklate> ulisse how are doing on your ordeal?
[09:33] <ulisse> deFrysk,  i haven't java
[09:33] <ulisse> Tsjoklat, what do you mean with ordeal?
[09:33] <deFrysk> and flash ?
[09:33] <Tsjoklate> utf/iso
[09:34] <ulisse> deFrysk, flash is ok
[09:34] <deFrysk> ulisse, doe u have a complete hoary install ?
[09:34] <bluewheel> question for ubuntu ppc people. I recompiled the kernel and didn't ybin, at the boot prompt I manually tell it to look on the root hard disk and then specify root=/dev/hda10. While booting it says "VFS:cannot open root device"any ideas ?
[09:34] <ulisse> deFrysk, I updated from warty with dist-upgrade
[09:35] <deFrysk> ulisse, should work fine then :/
[09:35] <ulisse> deFrysk, it worked until yesterday, before an upgrade
[09:35] <ulisse> deFrysk, a dist-upgrade, i mean
[09:35] <deFrysk> yeah
[09:36] <deFrysk> I understand
[09:36] <deFrysk> maybe you should report it as a bug
[09:36] <deFrysk> i have to walk my dog :s
[09:36] <melazyboy> bluewheel: any more info than that?
[09:36] <deFrysk> later folks
[09:36] <melazyboy> bluewheel: I think i know what it is aucutally
[09:36] <Treenaks> Where can I send an email requesting a key signing party during the conference BEFORE friday? I won't be able to catch my plane if I go to the currently planned one :)
[09:36] <ulisse> deFrysk, but if I can't access the web, it is difficult to report a bug...
[09:37] <Treenaks> (hm, mako it is)
[09:37] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Let me start by telling you something with nothing else from you, the 2.6 kernel does not require a initrd with that said if you chose to not use one, you must build in a good amount of drives releated to your root drive into the kernel (bake)
[09:37] <wig> Does Ubuntu not come with gcc?
[09:37] <bluewheel> melazyboy, do you think it wants me to specify the device with the OpenFirmware device path ?
[09:38] <wig> cef_work: you here?
[09:38] <cryptomatt> anyone set up jabber on ubuntu?
[09:38] <ulisse> deFrysk, yesterday I tried with the firefox binaries from mozilla site, too
[09:38] <ulisse> deFrysk, it crashes at the same way
[09:38] <melazyboy> bluewheel: No thats how you specify the root directive, is root mounted on a firmware device?
[09:38] <ulisse> deFrysk, it works only by root
[09:38] <wig> hey, does ubuntu come with GCC?
[09:38] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Im not sure you can use firewire without an initrd
[09:39] <b_e_n_z> wig, yes
[09:39] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Boot from firewire, rather.
[09:39] <wig> b_e_n_z: how come i get this error then? "gcc command not recognized" or something like that
[09:40] <b_e_n_z> wig, you need to apt-get it
[09:40] <freakabcd> wig, maybe you haven;t installed it?
[09:40] <wig> b_e_n_z: you just said it came with ubuntu
[09:40] <wig> freakabcd: i thought it came standard.
[09:40] <wood1> Good Afternoon and Morning to All
[09:41] <bluewheel> nha it's a hard disk boot
[09:41] <bluewheel> not firewire
[09:41] <freakabcd> wig, heh.. one must choose to install it, iirc
[09:41] <wood1> Can someone give me a picture of how PGP works ?
[09:41] <wig> freakabcd: it didn't give me any options.
[09:41] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Are you using ATA drives ?
[09:41] <wood1> I went through the PGP's website documentation and I am still where I was before
[09:41] <wig> freakabcd: i just put the cd in, and it did whatever it does.
[09:41] <freakabcd> i dunno man. i've never used ubuntu! i'm still waiting to receive my cds :)
[09:41] <bluewheel> melazyboy, Yes ATA it's a powerbook G4
[09:41] <wig> freakabcd: damn.
[09:41] <freakabcd> does apt-get install gcc
[09:41] <wood1> Hello, stuNNed, are you there ?
[09:42] <freakabcd> does that work?
[09:42] <wig> freakabcd: doesn't matter, i dont got internet connection on ubuntu
[09:42] <wood1> Treenaks, are you there ?
[09:42] <wig> freakabcd: that's what im trying to accomplish
[09:42] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Ok in your ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL Support Tree in your kernel you will NEED all things relevent to booting  your OS BAKED in
[09:42] <Treenaks> wood1: almost.. I'm working
[09:42] <freakabcd> well, afaik you should be able to make your cd a src and apt-get install it from there!
[09:42] <wood1> Can you teach me how to setup Gpgp ?
[09:43] <bluewheel> one of the kernels I specify is the old stock ubuntu kernel and it has the same problem, using the install cd I can boot and mount the disk just fine
[09:43] <Treenaks> wood1: I wouldn't know how it works
[09:43] <bluewheel> and being the stock kernel I know it works, well it used to
[09:43] <bluewheel> too
[09:43] <wig> freakabcd: eh?
[09:43] <melazyboy> bluewheel: that includes, the top of the tree, 'ehanced ide/mfm/rll disk/cdrom/tape/floppy support', if you have a slave drive you will need 'include ide/ata-2 disk support', you will also need 'generic/default IDE chipset support', and 'PCI IDE chipset support', as well as 'Generic PCI IDE chipset support'
[09:43] <wood1> Well does anybody know how to setup Gpgp in Ubuntu ?
[09:44] <wood1> Help, help, I am stuck with Gpgp
[09:44] <freakabcd> wig, the packages should be on the cd. hence, if you setup apt to use the cd as a package src, then you should just be able to apt-get install gcc
[09:44] <cef_work> damn firewire... grrrr
[09:44] <melazyboy> bluewheel: If any of your drives or chipsets are nongeric substitute them with the appropriate alterntive on the same tier
[09:44] <cef_work> freakabcd: and a good reference on setting up a source for someone who has no idea what one is?
[09:44] <melazyboy> BTW anyone in the houston area hiring, will work for food broadband and rent
[09:45] <freakabcd> cef_work, i have no clue. i've never admin'ed a deb box, or even installed a deb box :)
[09:45] <melazyboy> bluewheel: where any of those not enabled?
[09:46] <melazyboy> bluewheel: and/or not built into the kernel
[09:46] <bluewheel> melazyboy, but if the kernel that worked yesterday should be the symlink to vmlinux.old after installing using the dpkg, but now it seems to be failing when i explicitly specify the kernel of vmlinux.old my issue seems to be that it can't find the partition
[09:46] <wood1> Can somebody here tell me how to setup Gpgp in Evolution ?
[09:46] <wig> cef_work: hey, does gcc come installed on ubuntu?
[09:46] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy, halliburton perhaps?
[09:46] <cef_work> wig: not installed by default.. afaik, it's on the cd
[09:46] <wig> cef_work: how do i install that sucker?
[09:46] <cef_work> but I'm not sure
[09:46] <bluewheel> melazyboy, it says Unbable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0)
[09:46] <cef_work> mainly cos I don't have a full cd here. just net installs
[09:47] <melazyboy> bluewheel: If you built your own kernel then those options will yeild that error, when not baked in, i know your error, its a big one 80
[09:47] <wig> cef_work: damn
[09:47] <freakabcd> wig, you're best in asking how to setup a cd as a package source
[09:47] <melazyboy> bluewheel: err, 80% of the peopel that try without initrd screw up the first time it took me a fwe trys i just figured it out yesterday
[09:47] <wood1> Is there nobody here who can guide me through the setup process of Gpgp in Evolution ?
[09:47] <freakabcd> cef_work, you ordered what???
[09:47] <freakabcd> 240 CDs ??
[09:47] <wig> freakabcd: how do i setupi a cd as a package source
[09:47] <cef_work> wig: tell me about it. I'm sick of downloading stuff all the time
[09:48] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: You have a job at halliburton, or your telling me to apply there
[09:48] <bluewheel> melazyboy, ok thanks for your help I will keep playing with it
[09:48] <freakabcd> as i mentioned earlier i _don't_ know!
[09:48] <cef_work> freakabcd: yeah.. I probably should have ordered more
[09:48] <freakabcd> google should be able to help
[09:48] <LucidVisions> wow
[09:48] <b_e_n_z> melazyboy, oh they have tons of jobs... esp those contract jobs in Iraq
[09:48] <freakabcd> cef_work, ordered more!
[09:48] <melazyboy> bluewheel: No problem, just remember anything your using in the ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support should be baked in
[09:48] <cef_work> freakabcd: I'm the president of a 1000+ LUG.. going to give some away
[09:48] <freakabcd> are you like distributor for your city? :p
[09:48] <wig> i dont even know how to use apt-get or whatever
[09:49] <melazyboy> b_e_n_z: I don't really want to go to iraq, i already have a job too i just don't like it
[09:49] <LucidVisions> lol
[09:49] <cef_work> wonder how that guy who ordered 3000 got on
[09:49] <freakabcd> 3000!!!!
[09:49] <freakabcd> holy crap
[09:49] <freakabcd> really?
[09:49] <cef_work> yup
[09:49] <freakabcd> no way! you're pulling my leg
[09:50] <LucidVisions> cef_work: are thats unreal,wow man
[09:50] <cef_work> hey, they're free.. long as you have a good reason, they'll give em away
[09:50] <LucidVisions> cool beans
[09:50] <freakabcd> what, that 3000 guy is like the cupplier for Tonga or something ?
[09:50] <cef_work> he's apparently aiming to give them to every attendee for some conference or show or something
[09:50] <freakabcd> an entire country!
[09:50] <freakabcd> hehe
[09:50] <melazyboy> Because all companies that give away CDs are successfull look at AOL... wait wait.. thats right they are failing horrably..
[09:51] <nada> hello all.  i have been running ubuntu warty on my laptop for a few weeks and i love it.  but today i did an apt-get upgrade and suddenly my internal wireless stopped working
[09:51] <cef_work> melazyboy: yeah but they give them to people who don't ask for them
[09:51] <nada> anyone able to help me with that?
[09:51] <wig> anyone know how to apt-get from a cd?
[09:51] <melazyboy> cef_work: ... and i imagine a good portion of those asking for them will do either that, or play frisbee
[09:51] <cef_work> wig: 'apt-cdrom' afaik
[09:51] <freakabcd> i'm out.. i ordered a measly 15. i'll give away everyone (excepting 2) to people who are interested at UNI
[09:51] <wig> what's afaik mean?
[09:51] <cef_work> as far as I know
[09:51] <wig> okay, so apt-cdrom, what's that do?
[09:52] <ulisse> how can I reinstall ubuntu via apt?
[09:52] <cef_work> adds cdroms as apt sources
[09:52] <wig> cef_work: then i just pick what i want?
[09:52] <melazyboy> ulisse: 'apt-get -reinstall install ubuntu-desktop'
[09:52] <cef_work> wig: then you should just be able to use synaptic or apt-get
[09:53] <wig> cef_work: what's apt-get? ive never used before.
[09:53] <freakabcd> wig, apt-cdrom add; apt-get install gcc
[09:53] <freakabcd> see if that works
[09:53] <nada> anyone know how i can determine what hardware my internal wireless card is?  ubuntu autodetected it before, but now broken. :(
[09:53] <wig> freakabcd: alrighty
[09:54] <ironwolf> nada: what's your model #?
[09:54] <melazyboy> nada, lspci -a
[09:54] <wig> cef_work: also, when i put the kernel sources in the /usr/src place, the "make" file on the modem patch says ".config" can't be found
[09:54] <cef_work> or go into synaptic and select 'Edit -> add CDRom' and then pick/choose the packages to install
[09:54] <nada> fujitsu s7010
[09:54] <melazyboy> nada, rather, lspci -vv
[09:54] <davidpc> nada: join me in wifi hell, the water's warm ;-)
[09:54] <cef_work> wig: cos you haven't built them yet
[09:55] <wig> cef_work: built what? o_O
[09:55] <cef_work> wig: the kernel.. using gcc
[09:55] <freakabcd> cef_work, err.. done a config yet
[09:55] <wig> cef_work: i gotta BUILD the kernel too?
[09:55] <cef_work> errr.. true..
[09:55] <cef_work> wig: well you're building the driver, right?
[09:55] <wig> cef_work: it's from a tar.g i downloaded
[09:55] <Tsjoklat> wig just had a fit.. kernel building!
[09:56] <ironwolf> davidpc: what's your card?
[09:56] <freakabcd> wig no need to rebuild the kernel if the driver can be loaded as a module
[09:56] <cef_work> wig: actually you only need to copy the config into the right place.. it's just that the drive 'expects' that you've just build a kernel
[09:56] <cef_work> driver even
[09:56] <wig> cef_work: how do i do that?
[09:56] <freakabcd> wig, like i said earlier:: GET gcc installed first!
[09:57] <freakabcd> you're not going to get anywhere without gcc!
[09:57] <cef_work> wig: cd into the kernel source, then 'cp /boot/config-<tab> .config'
[09:57] <wig> freakabcd: i just want all my info right now, cause it's a bitch rebooting
[09:57] <nada> ok, i found that i have an intel pro/wireless 2200bg
[09:57] <cef_work> wig: the config depends on what kernel you're running at the time
[09:57] <freakabcd> wig, reboot what? after installing gcc?
[09:57] <freakabcd> no need to reboot
[09:57] <wig> freakabcd: im on windows now
[09:58] <freakabcd> doh.. ok
[09:58] <wig> :-P
[09:58] <cef_work> hrm... really wonder why this can't be done with kernel headers.. wish I had a machine that wasn't doing production work to test this sort of stuff on
[09:58] <wig> anyway, i think that's about it.
[09:58] <wig> im sorry for being so retarded about this
[09:58] <freakabcd> wig everyone is when they start! :)
[09:58] <cef_work> wig: nah it's called 'stupid winmodem' syndrome
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> wig we all had to learn
[09:58] <wig> haha
[09:58] <cef_work> wig: what brand winmodem?
[09:58] <wig> cef_work: lucent/agere
[09:59] <cef_work> ahhh yukko
[09:59] <freakabcd> wig, those will work like a charm!
[09:59] <wig> freakabcd: yeah. ive got it working with the 2.4.22 kernel before
[09:59] <freakabcd> and let me tell you know there is NO kernel recompile necessary for them
[09:59] <wig> freakabcd: but goddam 2.6.n is tuff.
[09:59] <wig> tough*
[09:59] <wood1> wig, do you have expertise in Gpgp ?
[09:59] <freakabcd> just build the driver as a module and load away
[09:59] <wig> wood1: i got expertise is nothing .:-P what's gpgp?
[10:00] <wig> freakabcd: yeah, im gonna go get on that
[10:00] <wood1> Well it's OK
[10:00] <wig> thanks for the help everyone, much appreciated.
[10:00] <wood1> freakabcd, do you have any idea on Gpgp ?
[10:00] <freakabcd> can;t say i've used it
[10:01] <wood1> How do we use Gpgp ?
[10:01] <freakabcd> are you trying to get a pgp sig ?
[10:01] <melazyboy> When you use dri with radeon drivers, how do you tell x to use them in xorg.conf, you have it boot with what as the driver? 'ati'? or is there a diff name for dri?
[10:01] <wood1> Well I have got the signature from Seahorse, how do we use that Signature in Evolution mail ?
[10:01] <nada> so, my internal wireless is intel pro 2200bg, and a previous ubuntu post says it works with the  ipw2200.sf.net  driver.  but not sure how to -reinstall that
[10:02] <freakabcd> wood1, theres an option to put/use the sig in evo
[10:02] <wood1> I have the key ID, how do I use that key in Evolution
[10:02] <wood1> Well I got the Error while doing that
[10:02] <freakabcd> what error?
[10:03] <freakabcd> gotta run, talk later
[10:03] <cef_work> well now that I've started a copy of 55G over USB 1.1, I'm going to go home.. hopefully it'll be finished by monday the 6th.. *sigh*
[10:03] <mjr> melazyboy, ati should do fine
[10:04] <mjr> melazyboy, as long as there's the Load "dri" line and frined
[10:04] <mjr> s
[10:04] <melazyboy> mjr: Im only getting 200fps with glxgears, with fglrx i got 2k? how come such a big differnce then?
[10:04] <mjr> melazyboy, what radeon do you have?
[10:04] <melazyboy> 9800pro
[10:04] <wood1> Error saying that the path of Gpgp could not be found
[10:04] <mjr> melazyboy, it isn't supported by dri, ATI won't give the specs
[10:05] <mjr> there's a project to reverse-engineer it, but I don't think they've gotten too far at this point
[10:05] <melazyboy> well that sucks...
[10:05] <melazyboy> So no reason to use DRI at all then?
[10:05] <mjr> yes, it does
[10:05] <mjr> not for you
[10:06] <melazyboy> ill just remove it from kernel and xorg.conf then... thats blows
[10:06] <wood1> mjr, can you help me to setup Gpgp in Evolution ?
[10:06] <bluewheel> melazyboy, yea I had the same problem with my R7500 but now it "works"
[10:06] <wood1> freakabcd ?
[10:06] <melazyboy> mjr: thanks for help
[10:06] <melazyboy> bluewheel: what did you do to get it working?
[10:06] <mjr> wood1, it's not something that you really should need to set up, should Just Work ;) But you can define the key in settings/mail accounts/security
[10:07] <bluewheel> melazyboy, Michel Danzers DRI but it will not work with your chip yet
[10:07] <mjr> well, R7500 is a different beast, for that there's specs and all
[10:07] <mjr> the latest ATI card with specs and working DRI drivers is 9250
[10:08] <melazyboy> bluewheel: Funny thing is ATI mentions his web site for open source drivers
[10:08] <mjr> (which also therefore happens to be what I bought for my new box)
[10:08] <wood1> mjr, you mean just type in the Key ID in Evolution's security PGP Key ?
[10:08] <melazyboy> Another funny thing is the kernel docs point to a page that is unavailble
[10:08] <mjr> wood1, for example, or the key's e-mail address or something
[10:08] <bluewheel> melazyboy, at least I highly doubt it, but I know for DRI support it took a fair while but then it does have limitations, "blender" will crash when rendering for one thing
[10:09] <melazyboy> They point you to www.ati.com/na/pages/products/pc/radeon32/index.html
[10:09] <mjr> wood1, it should use a key matching the sending e-mail address by default, I think, though
[10:09] <bluewheel> melazyboy, I just use OSX for my graphics stuff it's very well supported, then linux for all my other stuff
[10:10] <bluewheel> saves a lot of headaches
[10:10] <bluewheel> but creates a few in it's self of course :-)
[10:10] <melazyboy> bluewheel: But having fglrx made my linux experience much more friendly
[10:10] <bluewheel> fglrx ?
[10:10] <bluewheel> never heard of it
[10:10] <wood1> mjr, I have already created a Key using Seahorse, how do I use it in Evolution ?
[10:11] <LucidVisions> great drivers
[10:11] <melazyboy> bluewheel: The ati proprietary driver
[10:11] <bluewheel> google ... click ahhh :-)
[10:11] <mjr> wood1, as I said, it should just work if you tell it to pgp sign messages
[10:11] <mjr> wood1, and as I also said, you can type the ID in there if it doesn't
[10:12] <bluewheel> ahh but it will not support my radeon which is too old now :(
[10:12] <wood1> How do we create a Gpgp Key in the first place ?
[10:12] <bluewheel> reason for a new powerook I guess :-)
[10:14] <lessthankyle> anyone around?
[10:14] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, yea
[10:14] <lessthankyle> cool
[10:14] <lessthankyle> i could use some advice
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> 276 in total
[10:15] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, don't ask to ask, just ask :-) you'll get less flames that way
[10:15] <lessthankyle> fair enough
[10:15] <lessthankyle> i just installed a bit ago, and i need to be able to access my secondary hard drive from it, but it didn't pick it up
[10:16] <melazyboy> mjr: hwo does lspci work?
[10:16] <bluewheel> what do you mean didn't pick it up ? there is no /dev entry or it does not have a entry on the desktop ?
[10:16] <melazyboy> mjr: Its listing my card as an Radeon R300 [Radeon 9500 Pro] 
[10:16] <melazyboy> mjr: Could it be listing it wrong, or does it get that from the card itself, i thought the card was a 9800pro
[10:17] <lessthankyle> there is a dev entry
[10:17] <lessthankyle> nothingon the desktop or in the filesystem
[10:17] <lessthankyle> for the actual files
[10:17] <lessthankyle> it has the hdbl partition in the dev folder
[10:17] <mjr> melazyboy, it's the same thing with 9500, so doesn't really matter for this
[10:18] <bluewheel> so on hard disk 'B' it's partition l you want to mount ? what file system is it ?
[10:18] <lessthankyle> fat32
[10:18] <melazyboy> mjr: bah no love
[10:18] <bluewheel> ahhh cool, ok wall you need to sudo or have root access to mount the device
[10:18] <lessthankyle> i do
[10:18] <mjr> wood1, seahorse is a frontend for gpg, so creating a key with that should work
[10:19] <bluewheel> then when it works add it to your /etc/fstab file to mount at boot time, so lets mount it first
[10:19] <melazyboy> mjr: I wonde why the kernel doesn't make a note for DRI under Radeon that 9k+ are not supported
[10:19] <lessthankyle> i found a wiki entry for that, and followed it
[10:19] <bluewheel> have you made a dir for it to mount into, something like /mnt/Windows
[10:19] <lessthankyle> i made /mnt/win98
[10:19] <lessthankyle> and this is what i added to my fstab file
[10:19] <bluewheel> partly, there is more to add than just that. What command did you use to mount it ?
[10:20] <bluewheel> try mount -t vfat /dev/hdbl /mnt/win98
[10:20] <lessthankyle> in the fstab: /dev/hdbl  /mnt/win98   vfat    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000   0    0
[10:20] <wood1> bluewheel, do you have some ideas using Gpgp ?
[10:20] <mjr> melazyboy, because that's not true, up to 9250 are supported as I said :)
[10:21] <mjr> but yeah, it might say something more accurate about it
[10:21] <melazyboy> mjr: Point being it should make a note that 9250+ are NOT supported
[10:21] <melazyboy>  =D
[10:21] <melazyboy> mjr: Yea or atleast not point to a 404 website.
[10:21] <bluewheel> wood1, sorry dude never used Gpgp i'd like to know how though at some point :-) but right now I am busy with a broken kernel :-)
[10:21] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, how did it go /
[10:21] <lessthankyle> well it brought it up
[10:22] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, so it worked ?
[10:22] <lessthankyle> let me reboot and make sure it still comes up
[10:22] <bluewheel> well I have not looked at the fstab entry yet, but at least you can get it to work :-)
[10:22] <bluewheel> emmm ....
[10:24] <lessthankyle> alright, it is in the /mnt/win98 dir now
[10:24] <lessthankyle> but i can't seem to open any of the folders in it
[10:24] <Tsjoklat> lessythankyle what does your fstab say?
[10:25] <lessthankyle> in the fstab: /dev/hdbl  /mnt/win98   vfat    defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000   0    0
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> /dev/hda2       /windows/D      vfat    noauto,users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
[10:25] <Tsjoklat> is mine
[10:27] <lessthankyle> just change the options on mine then?
[10:28] <Tsjoklat> you could give it a go
[10:28] <lessthankyle> ok
[10:29] <Tsjoklat> if it works cool beans right :)
[10:32] <lessthankyle> well it shows up on the desktop now
[10:32] <lessthankyle> but whenever i try to open anything in it (they all have the same icon, the green footprint), it just disappears
[10:34] <Tsjoklat> lessthankyle what does 'mount' say in console?
[10:34] <Tsjoklat> without '
[10:34] <bluewheel> Tsjoklat, could it be a permission problem ? i am on ppc so I have not used fat32 before :-)
[10:34] <lessthankyle> a number of lines
[10:34] <lessthankyle> any in particular you want? or should i type all of them
[10:34] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, what does it say against /dev/hdbl
[10:35] <bluewheel> (rw) or (ro) ?
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> does it say anywhere your win98?
[10:35] <Tsjoklat> what does /dev/hdb1 say?
[10:36] <lessthankyle> it says : /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/win98 type vfat (rw)
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> I think the (rw) is your problem
[10:36] <Tsjoklat> I don't use it
[10:37] <lessthankyle> i'd imagine that just points to the fact it's rewriteable? not read only?
[10:37] <Tsjoklat> don't know, all I know is that I don't have it in mine
[10:37] <jiyuu0> lessthankyle, what u trying to do?
[10:38] <lessthankyle> well i have the other drive mountedn ow
[10:38] <lessthankyle> now i'm just trying to access the files on it
[10:38] <Tsjoklat> hey seb128
[10:38] <bluewheel> lessthankyle, ls -l /mnt/win98
[10:38] <seb128> morning
[10:39] <lessthankyle> ok
[10:41] <lessthankyle> it lists out the files of the drive
[10:43] <lessthankyle> well, i can toy around with it for a bit longer
[10:44] <lessthankyle> i appreciate the help so far, thank you
[10:44] <lessthankyle> off to bed for now
[10:45] <melazyboy> What do the different umask values mean?
[10:45] <melazyboy> "The bitmask of the permissions that are _not_ present). The default is the umask of the current process. The value is given in octal.
[10:46] <melazyboy> "
[10:46] <melazyboy> thats a pretty shotty description
[10:46] <Treenaks> well, max permissions is 4777 .. so if umask is 0022, files that programs open as "0777" will become 0755
[10:49] <melazyboy> Would the max umask be 1777
[10:49] <melazyboy> im reading a tutorial
[10:49] <melazyboy> because there is only one value for the sticky bit right?
[10:50] <davidstylesjr> i believe so
[10:51] <davidstylesjr> has anyone upgraded to gaim 1.0.3 on warty and how did you do it
[10:51] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: I haven't but im sure they did an apt-get update && apt-get install gaim
[10:52] <davidstylesjr> melazy:  its not in the warty repositories, only up to version 1.0
[10:52] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Then you have to change to hoary repositories
[10:52] <davidstylesjr> doing that breaks x even with only a gaim upgrade :)
[10:53] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Don't upgrade X
[10:53] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Just apt-get update, get the new version of gaim, and revert to warty repositories
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> melazyboy:  im not, simply by upgrading gaim and its dependencies
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> x gets broken
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> it continously tries to start upon booting...have heard of this problem from others attempting update
[10:54] <davidstylesjr> so im trying to find out if anyone has done it successfully using an alternate method
[10:55] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: That can't be, the packager would specify what t he bare minimum version of X that will run with GAIM is and when you install GAIM it would install all the packages needed to meet the dependency of GAIM
[10:55] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: Well there could be a problem, you can always build them from source, but then your setting yourself up for failure in the future because sources bypas dpkg.
[10:56] <davidstylesjr> melazyboy:  i believe that gaim for hoary is different since its designed to run on xorg
[10:56] <Tsjoklat> sinds when is x an requirement for gaim?
[10:56] <melazyboy> you basicly have 2 of choices, maintain your deb archive, or break it, you can break it with alien, or sources and achive your objective, or you can risk it with hoary or sid repositories
[10:56] <melazyboy> If your sure hoary has a defective package (which it really shoulden't im using it) you can revert to sid, and run through the same procedure
[10:57] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr are you saying when you upgrade to hoary gaim on your warty box it wants to d/l xorg?
[10:57] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: You woudlen't think
[10:57] <davidstylesjr> melazyboy:  no, but many other dependencies
[10:57] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Wait he is right...
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy really? waaaww
[10:58] <Tsjoklat> melazyboy that is funky
[10:59] <davidstylesjr> and then x will not run correctly from then on
[10:59] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: it has listed for 'reverse depends' ubuntu-desktop
[11:00] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: I imagine that could see the ubuntu-desktop in hoary, and want to replace the one from warty because of the higher version number, since that a meta-package i would imagine it would function almost the same as a full blown dist-upgrade
[11:01] <melazyboy> It could see the ubuntu-desktop*
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> hey pitti :)
[11:01] <Tsjoklat> well I guess it is not a good idea anymore to use hoary packages on a warty box then
[11:01] <pitti> Hey Tsjoklat! I keep coming and going today, frequent reboots...
[11:02] <melazyboy> Im not sure how reverse depends work, if thats just a foot note that a package currently depends on that -- or if it will seek to upgrade the reverse depends just like the depends
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> pitti I saw that.. need some superglue? :)
[11:02] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  attempting that has seriously crippled three different warty installations i have tried it on
[11:02] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  trying various packages such as firefox, gaim and xorg only
[11:02] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr I guess the thread on the forum should be amended then.. since it says it is fine to do so
[11:02] <pitti> Tsjoklat: no, some fixed kernels :-)
[11:02] <melazyboy> davidstylesjr: xorg will break fglrx if you use them
[11:03] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  any only filling dependencies w/o a complete upgrade
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> mmm I was going to try to upgrade some packages from hoary but I guess I will pass
[11:03] <Tsjoklat> pitti :)
[11:05] <davidstylesjr> for firefox, i used the sid debs to upgrade instead, but that is only one out of many...i wish xorg would upgrade reliably as complete hoary installs have been unstable for me
[11:05] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr I am not updating to hoary until xorg is a tad more stable
[11:05] <davidstylesjr> agreed
[11:06] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr I guess it is too early for my liking.. I am certain it will all be fab by the release date but that is still far away
[11:07] <davidstylesjr> tsjoklat:  sigh...
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> davidstylesjr gotta have patience :)
[11:07] <Tsjoklat> or courage :P
[11:08] <davidstylesjr> i have an odd question for all, and i only ask here because i need printing services semi-soon for school purposes, and i do not know much about cups...my printer is not available as an option, whereas it has been in all other late linux distributions i have tried, how can i add support for particular models
[11:08] <melazyboy> I wish xorg would support fglrx
[11:09] <daniels> melazyboy: you mean you wish fglrx would support xorg
[11:09] <melazyboy> Either way... fglrx worked fine with xfree86, what did xorg do that was so important they coulden't include legacy code, granted im talking out of my ass but still..
[11:12] <melazyboy> I just don't think too highly of Xorg after that executive decision, they should have it in big bold letters does not support radeon 9250+ on the front page, it applies to what 15% of the xfree userbase, if you take into account the userbase that is willing to upgrade to a newer xserver its probably closer to 30%
[11:13] <wood1> Can anyone teach me how to setup Gnupg in Evolution ?
[11:13] <wood1> melazyboy, do you have expertise in Gnupg ?
[11:14] <melazyboy> wood1: sorry can't say i do, I dont care much about pgp
[11:15] <wood1> daniels, do you have expertise in Gnupg ?
[11:15] <tck> i hope my cd's come today
[11:15] <daniels> wood1: sort of, but kind of short of time
[11:16] <daniels> melazyboy: um, dude, x.org added new features, it wasn't removing anything old.  it was stuff that was needed to properly go forward, and ati has not updated their drivers.
[11:16] <daniels> melazyboy: and x.org supports every ati card you can currently buy, and a few you can't.  3d acceleration in r3xx/r4xx is not there yet, but saying it doesn't support r3xx/r4xx is entirely disingenuous.
[11:19] <melazyboy> daniels: I coulden't possibly think any lower of ATI --  with that said, i just fail to see the reason legacy code couldn't have been implimented -- or even a warning when you upgrade, will loose fglrx drivers, i see a noticable difference between the two xfree86, and xorg on the 2d layers aswell transparencies get killed
[11:20] <daniels> melazyboy: it is not 'legacy code' that was removed, it was new code that was added and unavoidably changed the driver model a bit.  this has happened in most major xfree86 releases.
[11:21] <melazyboy> daniels: It was rumored on one of the boards that ATI annouced 3 months untill driver upgrades
[11:21] <melazyboy> daniels: And on atis fglrx faq, they don't even officially support 2.6 yet =/
[11:22] <jono> jdub, ping
[11:23] <jono> anyone here compile the GNOME CVS?
[11:27] <Kamion> melazyboy: reverse dependencies of foo aren't upgraded automatically when you say 'apt-get install foo'; even dependencies are only upgraded if the dependency is versioned to something newer than what you have installed
[11:27] <jdub> jono: pong
[11:28] <melazyboy> Kamion: And woulden't all of Hoary's versioning be greater than sid?
[11:28] <melazyboy> version numbers*
[11:28] <Kamion> melazyboy: no
[11:28] <Kamion> much of it is equal to sid
[11:28] <melazyboy> ... ubuntu-desktop>?
[11:29] <Kamion> melazyboy: versioned dependencies are increased where necessary, depending on the library API; it's not a "this distribution > that other distribution" kind of thing
[11:29] <Kamion> API/ABI, I mean
[11:29] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop is just an installed-by-default package that isn't in sid, nothing special
[11:30] <melazyboy> Kamion: since all of the packages in hoary are upgraded on a more regular baises, would that not mean that ubuntu-desktop would also have to be upgraded because it is a meta package that includes all others?
[11:30] <Kamion> melazyboy: nope, doesn't work that way
[11:31] <Kamion> melazyboy: ubuntu-desktop simply says "in order to have this package installed, all these other packages must be installed too"
[11:32] <Kamion> it doesn't "include" anything much to speak of in the usual sense of inclusion
[11:32] <Kamion> damn, this box is slow
[11:32] <melazyboy> The version of ubuntu-desktop in hoary, is .8; while the one in warty is .3...
[11:33] <melazyboy> I would imagine because the hoary package set changes, when they change the list of what it contains, it has to be incremented to reflect the change
[11:33] <Kamion> melazyboy: we update it when the set of packages involved changes
[11:33] <Kamion> correct
[11:33] <tck> can one download a pre-lease of hoary now
[11:33] <tck> or is it only for developers ?
[11:33] <Kamion> tck: hoary is public
[11:33] <tck> doh!
[11:33] <tck> linkage ?
[11:33] <subterrific> is ubuntu working on multiarch support for amd64 at all?>
[11:34] <Kamion> tck: to what exactly?
[11:34] <tck> a download
[11:34] <melazyboy> tck: edit /etc/apt/sources.list change all occurances of 'warty', with 'hoary'
[11:34] <Kamion> subterrific: well, one of our staff is one of the main multiarch designers/developers, if that's what you mean
[11:34] <tck> cool
[11:34] <melazyboy> run apt-get update, and 'apt-get dist-upgrade upgrade'
[11:34] <Kamion> tck: if you need a CD image, links to ISOs went out on the mailing list a while back; search for Subject: Array CD 1
[11:35] <Kamion> just 'apt-get dist-upgrade', no need to say upgrade too
[11:35] <tck> cool :)
[11:35] <tck> whats hoary like compared to warty, any views on it
[11:36] <Kamion> in quite a bit of flux, upgrades not guaranteed to work
[11:36] <tck> i dont use flux, X.org is in there innit
[11:36] <Kamion> installs not guaranteed to work, for that matter :) I'm trying to get the daily CDs fixed ...
[11:36] <melazyboy> tck: do you use a radeon 9250+
[11:36] <Kamion> tck: uh ... flux is a term meaning lots of change
[11:36] <Kamion> X.org is there, yes
[11:36] <tck> nope, its an old laptop
[11:36] <subterrific> Kamion: i guess that answers my question :) i'm currently using gentoo on my amd64 box because it had the best amd64 support around when i built it. i'd really like to switch to ubuntu though and multiarch support is really the only thing holding me back
[11:37] <tck> *mental note* flux = change
[11:37] <Kamion> subterrific: dunno if we're doing multiarch for hoary though, it's a huge and complicated shift and will be easier if we're doing it in rough sync with Debian
[11:38] <Tsjoklat> night everybody, melazyboy I hope TX is nicer to you tomorrow :)
[11:39] <karp> hey, have anyone got cedega to work with amd64?
[11:39] <melazyboy> Tsjoklat: Thanks, see you later -- you should come to texas its fun i swear..
[11:39] <subterrific> Kamion: i understand. thanks for the info.
[11:40] <subterrific> karp: i was just reading about that actually
[11:40] <karp> i really want to play warcraft :(
[11:40] <melazyboy> karp: get cedega
[11:40] <linux_galore> gave my CD Ubuntu pack to a friend so he could try the live CD.he liked it so much he intalled it lol
[11:40] <karp> got it
[11:40] <karp> and i installed it but i get insert cd error, and i use nocd patch
[11:41] <subterrific> karp: on some wiki i read that using a 32bit chroot is the best way, but i don't really buy that. i think it should be possible to install the correct libraries into /usr/lib32 to make it work
[11:41] <tck> postman just came ; no cd's :/
[11:41] <subterrific> karp: what did you do to get it running on amd64?
[11:41] <melazyboy> karp, did you patch before you used no cd patch?
[11:41] <karp> heh im using my windows version
[11:42] <karp> i cant install it i linux with cedega
[11:42] <melazyboy> karp: No cd patches are specific to the diff versions of the game, you will need to apply the warcraft patch, then the no cdpatch to get it working
[11:42] <melazyboy> karp, what os are you getting the no cd error with?
[11:42] <subterrific> karp: what did you do to get cedega running on amd64? are you using a pure64 install?
[11:45] <karp> ive installed ubuntu with 64 bit support and then i just installed the cedega deb package with --force-architecture
[11:45] <karp> if thats an answer
[11:45] <karp> =)
[11:45] <subterrific> it is, but i thought cedega required libpng
[11:45] <subterrific> did you not install a 32bit libpng?
[11:46] <karp> i got 32bit libs
[11:46] <karp> do you know the package name?
[11:47] <subterrific> libpng3 is what the cedega deb has listed as a requirement
[11:47] <karp> yes i have it
[11:47] <karp> but check this
[11:47] <subterrific> i can figure it out myself, i was just wondering if you did a chroot or what
[11:47] <karp> if i put wc roc cd in the drive
[11:47] <karp> and try use install.exe
[11:48] <karp> Your system requires the use of pthreads but the maximum system allowed stack size of 2052 kB may be too small for some games.
[11:48] <jono> jdub, no worries, sorted it now :)
[11:48] <subterrific> yeah, just use -use-pthread no
[11:48] <karp> and if i use -use-pthreads nothing happends
[11:49] <subterrific> karp: thats wrong
[11:49] <karp> sry i missed a no
[11:49] <subterrific> karp: -use-pthread no
[11:49] <karp> yes i do that
[11:49] <karp> nothing happends
[11:49] <karp> cedega -use-pthreads no /cdrom/install.exe
[11:50] <subterrific> hrm
[11:50] <subterrific> have you gotten it to run anything?
[11:51] <karp> nopes
[11:51] <karp> i only have wc3 on my drive right now
[11:51] <karp> but i got games on cds i could try
[11:51] <jimro> Hello, I wonder if there are any Open Source-developers here who could be so kind to participate in a interview for a researchpaper?
[11:52] <jdub> jimro: sounds interesting, what are you researching?
[11:52] <jimro> jdub: Open Source and motivational factors
[11:52] <jdub> jimro: ah. cool.
[11:53] <jdub> jimro: how many questions? :)
[11:53] <subterrific> jimro: curious, how are you focusing it on open source developers and not just any developer? how is there a difference?
[11:53] <jimro> jdub: about 20-30 questions
[11:54] <jdub> jimro: i contribute to gnome and ubuntu, you're welcome to mail me. jdub@gnome.org
[11:54] <jimro> subterrific: well there is something called intrinsic and extrinsic motivation, there seems to be a difference between open and closed source :)
[11:55] <jdub> heh
[11:55] <jimro> jdub: can i msg you?
[11:55] <jdub> sure
[11:56] <subterrific> jimro: do you really think it is that black and white?
[11:57] <karp> subterrific, http://rafb.net/paste/results/mj0pM088.html
[11:58] <jimro> subterrific: no, but this research is focusing on open source
[11:58] <karp> seems like Xrender fucks with me
[12:01] <rea> For some reason my installation inists I can only have a monitor refresh rate of 60hz, this is really hurting my eye's how can I change it ? (I presume its a XF86config-4 setting?)
[12:01] <hypa7ia> so i'm getting a ton of locale errors in my hoary upgrade
[12:02] <subterrific> jimro: well it sounds like a very complex topic, you've got your work cut out for you
[12:02] <tck> rea, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:03] <tck> see if that allows you to adjust scan rate
[12:05] <rory__> eish
[12:05] <rory__> cant get bochs to run ubuntu
[12:06] <rea> tck, brb, need to reset X
[12:07] <linux_galore> hmm
[12:07] <subterrific> karp: hrm, that doesn't look good. can you get anything at all to run?
[12:08] <rory__> i can get the demo linux that comes with the installer to run
[12:08] <rory__> ubuntu shows first splash for install
[12:08] <tck> man those ubuntu cd cases look well swanky
[12:08] <tck> http://www.linuxcompatible.org/story37848.html
[12:09] <tck> i thought they'd be a little plastic sleeve or something, can't wait  :))
[12:09] <linux_galore> yeah I gave the two sets I have out on a loaner now i cant get the things back
[12:10] <rory__> lol
[12:10] <rory__> i ordered my 10 to work address but wont be here when they get here
[12:10] <linux_galore> Im stuck with copies of the cd's
[12:11] <tck> :)
[12:11] <linux_galore> cant wait for the next release....hmmm xorg
[12:11] <tck> i have all my mates converted already
[12:11] <tck> gonna hand some out at the next 2600 meet too
[12:11] <tck> i'll prob. need more :)
[12:12] <linux_galore> tck: what 2600 meeting place is that
[12:12] <tck> dublin
[12:12] <linux_galore> aaah they have a meeting place here in Sydney
[12:13] <linux_galore> its a pub near central station.......they always play.....spot the fed
[12:15] <tck> haha, well the ones here have great people that go, linux peeps, radio , wi-fi
[12:15] <tck> just a nice group that go out grab some food , have a drink, fairly old crowd too :)
[12:17] <hypa7ia> toronto 2600 rocks too :-)
[12:22] <tck> hey are there plans for official ubuntu t-shirts :P
[12:22] <hypa7ia> tck, there already are some :-)
[12:23] <tck> damn.
[12:23] <Qo-noS> hey any one around too kickban some spanish fascists spammers in#debian? they are spoiling it for everyone there
[12:23] <tck> debian chan is way to up its own arse for me
[12:24] <tck> *too
[12:24] <Qo-noS> tck: that's no excuse for tolerating some fascist nonsense and condoning of actions of the Real Madrid Ultras
[12:25] <tck> i dont know the whole story , so im staying out of political disputes
[12:27] <wood1> Does somebody here knows about Gpg ?
[12:27] <wood1> Qo-noS, ?
[12:27] <wood1> tck, do you have expertise in Gpg ?
[12:27] <tck> the crypto
[12:28] <tck> yes i know a tiny bit
[12:28] <wood1> hypa7ia, do you have expertise in Gpg ?
[12:28] <hypa7ia> alas, i don't
[12:28] <fabbione> wood1: just ask
[12:28] <tck> what's the problem ?
[12:28] <fabbione> wood1: who knowns will answer
[12:28] <wood1> Well I have created a key using: pgp --keygen
[12:29] <wood1> fabbione, what's the next step to integrate it to Evolution ?
[12:29] <Kamion> pgp != gpg
[12:29] <Kamion> pgp is the original non-free implementation; you're on your own
[12:29] <wood1> I am using gpg
[12:30] <fabbione> wood1: you need an "evolution" expert for that
[12:30] <fabbione> not a gpg expert
[12:30] <tck> :)
[12:30] <wood1> Well how can I use encrption in Evolution then ?
[12:30] <hypa7ia> wood1, it should happen automagically
[12:30] <hypa7ia> go to send a message
[12:30] <hypa7ia> look under "securiy:
[12:31] <hypa7ia> err security
[12:32] <wood1> How do I see my Key ID using gpg ?
[12:32] <hypa7ia> now that the man page can prolly tell you :-)
[12:33] <mjr> gpg --list-keys
[12:34] <tck> where are the factories for ubuntu shippit orders ?
[12:34] <tck> anyone know
[12:36] <wood1> gpg --list-keys show nothing
[12:40] <Elw0od_21> what about j2r?
[12:40] <wood1> Can somebody tell me how to setup pgp/gpg in Evolution ?
[12:41] <tck> google it sure, must be some good docs or maybe some useful how to's
[12:41] <Newbie9000> out of idle curiosity, is there a confirmation of a cd order on the free cd's? i've ordered some, but can't find a confirm button or get any automatic email response... just curious
[12:43] <Kamion> wood1: you said you used 'pgp --keygen', then you said "I am using gpg". These two statements are not consistent. If you generate a key with pgp, 'gpg --list-keys' won't show it.
[12:43] <wood1> I misquoted
[12:44] <Nermal> anyone know what version of ndiswrapper comes with ubuntu ?
[12:44] <scoon> wood1, maybe here could help you -> http://gnome.org/projects/evolution/
[12:44] <wood1> I am using: gpg --keygen
[12:44] <Nermal> I've just installed ndiswrapper on this gentoo system and I'm getting wep encryption listed as supported when I plug the card in, but not on ubuntu
[12:44] <wood1> Kamion, you got my point
[12:44] <Nermal> just wondering if it could be a version issue
[12:45] <tck> Newbie9000, theres a shipping date on ur a/c if u log back in
[12:45] <davidpc_> is there a wiki page for desperately fubared network setups in ubuntu?
[12:45] <rory__> lol
[12:45] <wood1> How do I integrate gpg into Evolution ?
[12:45] <tck> Newbie9000, http://www.shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[12:47] <hypa7ia> wood1, did you have a look to see if you can sign messages when you;re sending them?
[12:49] <Newbie9000> tck: i just get the user data form and the "how many cd's would you like" form...
[12:49] <Newbie9000> when i go to update, it says that x cd's will be shipped to this address, but no date :(
[12:50] <tck> is everything filled out correctly
[12:50] <jimro> jdub
[12:50] <tck> i know with one of my friends, they left out the city name within the country, (only st. address)
[12:51] <Newbie9000> just filled everything in (company name and st. 2 with a -) and still no date
[12:52] <wood1> hypa7ia, I got some errors while sending mails using the singatures in Evolution
[12:52] <karp> i got my cds yesterday
[12:53] <tck> what was the ship date ?
[12:53] <karp> on my package?
[12:53] <tck> aye
[12:53] <karp> ill check, maybe they are burned in europe?
[12:53] <tck> from ur a/c
[12:53] <tck> u know shippit says date it was shipped etc..
[12:54] <hypa7ia> wood1, errors such as?
[12:54] <karp> i didnt understand it was the cds at first, heh, i thought it was something else
[12:54] <wood1> .gnupg/secring.gpg: Permission deined
[12:55] <wood1> .gnupg/secring.gpg file open error
[12:55] <wood1> .gnupg/pubring.gpg: Permission denied
[12:55] <bob2> wood1: ls -ld .gnupg/pubring.gpg
[12:56] <wood1> It belongs to root
[12:56] <bob2> why?
[12:56] <wood1> Will changing the owner and group help
[12:56] <bob2> of course
[12:56] <bob2> that's what 'Permission denied' meant
[12:56] <wood1> I created the keys using root's account
[12:57] <bob2> wood1: why?
[12:57] <wood1> using my normal account did not allow me to create a key using: gpg --keygen
[12:58] <Newbie9000> stuff it - i'll try to download them later :(
[12:58] <bob2> wood1: well, it does, since that's how everyone else does it
[12:58] <bob2> wood1: if you got an error, you should have asked for help fixing that
[12:59] <wood1> bob2, after I create a Key with: gpg --keygen, how am I suppose to integrate it with Evolution ?
[12:59] <bob2> wood1: I don't know, I don't use evolution
[01:00] <chemaja> can some kind soul tell me if fluxbox does snap-to-{window,edge}? i can't see the feature on their www site
[01:00] <hypa7ia> wood1, that should be the case
[01:02] <jdub> wood1: in your account settings
[01:03] <wood1> Well what about the account settings
[01:03] <wood1> in Evolution ?
[01:03] <tck> wasabi_, http://fedoranews.org/alex/tutorial/evolution/
[01:03] <tck> shit that was for wood1
[01:03] <wood1> What should I do to get my emails encrypted ?
[01:04] <hypa7ia> wood, have a look at the link tck just posted
[01:04] <tck> just going thru it now wood1 , seems to cover all u need to use it with evolution
[01:04] <wood1> OK, I will see that link
[01:05] <wood1> ok tck
[01:05] <wood1> thanks
[01:05] <wood1> Hope it will solve the problem
[01:09] <scizzo> wow...nice people.. :)
[01:09] <scizzo> ummm...help..:)
[01:09] <scizzo> I have been looking around for answers when it comes to IPv6 -> IPv4 problems
[01:10] <scizzo> I need to use IPv4 and the internal card in the computer seems to be using IPv6 standard?
[01:11] <steven_> daniels: you there?
[01:11] <scizzo> Anyone that knows how I can change this...I have been searching around and can't find any place where I can change the IP version
[01:11] <daniels> steve: sup
[01:11] <daniels> er
[01:11] <daniels> stvn-uni: sup
[01:12] <davyd> hey hey!
[01:12] <davyd> has Ubuntu dropped it's initrd on purpose?
[01:12] <davyd> or has something gone terribly wrong for me?
[01:12] <stvn-uni> daniels: in xorg is ati or radeon the prefered driver for radeon cards? i just upgraded my laptop to hoary and now it doesn't find my laptop screen anymore
[01:12] <hypa7ia> hey that happened to me too davyd
[01:12] <fabbione> it's a bug
[01:12] <stvn-uni> i work on 640x480 on the attached crt
[01:13] <bob2> davyd: on i386 it uses initrd afaik
[01:13] <fabbione> bob2: there is a bug in -17 postinst script
[01:13] <daniels> stvn-uni: either is fine
[01:13] <fabbione> that trashes the kernel symlinks
[01:13] <davyd> bob2: well I no longer have one... ominous
[01:13] <bob2> fabbione: ah
[01:14] <hypa7ia> Ominous!
[01:14] <daniels> stvn-uni: what sort of laptop do you have?  please send /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, as well as the output of lspci
[01:14] <davyd> hmm, so don't reboot then?
[01:14] <daniels> stvn-uni: (daniel.stone@canonical.com)
[01:14] <daniels> davyd: OMINOUS
[01:14] <davyd> daniels: Exuberance!
[01:14] <stvn-uni> daniels: asus 6000Ne - worked perfect in warty
[01:14] <stvn-uni> will do
[01:14] <davyd> Erich Schubert talks about adding instructions to CPUs to count the length of unicode strings
[01:15] <davyd> not cool!
[01:15] <hypa7ia> stvn-uni:  have the same one :-)
[01:15] <daniels> stvn-uni: ta
[01:15] <daniels> davyd: insubstantial
[01:15] <ajmitch_> scizzo: ipv4 & ipv6 work at the same time
[01:15] <davyd> Ham!
[01:15] <scizzo> ajmitch_: well it won't give me any ip
[01:16] <scizzo> my dmesg seems to give me a bunch of nice errors to
[01:16] <ajmitch_> scizzo: are you trying to use dhcp?
[01:17] <davyd> daniels: so our conversation the other day, left me dreaming about RISC GPUs
[01:17] <scizzo> yes
[01:17] <daniels> davyd: heh!
[01:17] <davyd> I want a RISC GPU!
[01:17] <daniels> did you wake up screaming? :P
[01:17] <scizzo> found the problem
[01:17] <scizzo> hmmm
[01:17] <davyd> daniels: to quote Hackers, "yeah RISC is good..."
[01:17] <daniels> yeah man
[01:18] <davyd> daniels: I'm just not sure how it would work in a GPU
[01:18] <stvn-uni> damn it's difficult to write email on 640x480 :(
[01:18] <davyd> I mean, the entire point is to have 28 different instructions to multiply scalars and vectors
[01:18] <davyd> and being able to choose the right one to maximise your render pipeline
[01:18] <king_arthur> Riddell: are you there?
[01:19] <davyd> still... if I ever end up moving in that direction, it would make a damned good thesis topic
[01:19] <scizzo> ajmitch_: seems like the system tries to use the wireless before the standard interface...
[01:19] <king_arthur> Riddell: Just wanted to let you know that KDE works just fine on Hoary thanks to your link :-)
[01:19] <scizzo> ajmitch_: after looking in the dmesg log I found that the eth1 is the thingy to use
[01:21] <ajmitch_> scizzo: aha :)
[01:21] <scizzo> ajmitch_: not very logical IMHO but still..that was the problem
[01:22] <ajmitch_> eth* devices are numbered based on the order of driver loading
[01:22] <davyd> ajmitch_: you can fiddle with the names though
[01:22] <davyd> there is a way to do it
[01:23] <ajmitch_> sure, but I've never needed to do that
[01:23] <davyd> we have a pptp server, we were going to have it assign ppp interfaces names ppp-username, like ppp-madeld01
[01:23] <ajmitch_> so I haven't checked out how
[01:24] <jdub> /etc/iftab
[01:24] <davyd> only in the end we figured there might be whacky ways to exploit that...
[01:24] <ajmitch_> aha, thanks jdub :)
[01:25] <daniels> davyd: what, if your username was madeld$(echo * * * * * give-davyd-root >> /etc/crontab && killall -HUP crond) ?
[01:26] <scizzo> ooo..jdub..hi.. :)
[01:26] <davyd> daniels: it sounds silly doesn't it
[01:27] <davyd> but the idea was abandoned anyway
[01:31] <stvn-uni> hm
[01:31] <scizzo> ummm...my iftab says that eth0 is the normal card and not the wireless...hmmmm
[01:31] <karp> i cant mount my floppy with filesystem auto in fstab, what filesys should i choose instead of auto?
[01:31] <jdub> karp: try vfat
[01:33] <karp> still no success :(
[01:33] <Nermal> msdos ?
[01:34] <karp> maybe i should remove the floppy and make a new one with MAKEFLOPPIES
[01:34] <karp> dosent work with msdos either
[01:36] <daniels> stvn-uni: oh, dude
[01:36] <daniels> any money you have the stretching bug
[01:37] <daniels> stvn-uni: grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/i386-radeon-drv.o
[01:37] <daniels> er
[01:37] <daniels> stvn-uni: grab http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/xorg/i386-radeon_drv.o
[01:37] <stvn-uni> k
[01:38] <daniels> stvn-uni: chuck it on top of /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.o
[01:39] <stvn-uni> brb
[01:43] <fsmw> is there a bugzilla or something for ubuntu?, i'm using hoary and i want to follow up some issues
[01:43] <stvn-uni> daniels: alas, didn't work
[01:48] <daniels> stvn: bugger
[01:48] <daniels> please send new xorg.0.log
[01:51] <stvn> daniels: if i have no external monitor plugged in, it works perfectly
[01:51] <daniels> aahhh
[01:51] <daniels> try Option "LVDSProbePLL"
[01:52] <stvn> k, moment
[01:52] <karp> can you help me with a floppy problem?
[01:52] <karp> i cant mount my floppy, ive tried to remove /dev/fd0 and make a new one but it still dosent work
[01:52] <karp> i also tried change filesystem in fstab without success
[01:56] <stvn> daniels: nope, worked neither
[01:56] <daniels> stvn: is the mode you put in valid for both the external monitor and the laptop?
[01:57] <daniels> try kicking HorizSync and VertRefresh out
[01:57] <stvn> daniels: no, the laptop does 1280x800 and the external can only handle 1024*768 (according to xorg) it actually /can/ handle 1280x1024 but that's stretching it
[01:58] <daniels> stvn: oh, arse
[01:58] <daniels> stvn: you'll need to set up xinerama for that, then
[01:58] <stvn> daniels: ok
[01:59] <Elw0od_21> i hate java
[01:59] <nevyn> why?
[01:59] <stvn> daniels: i'll test the current setup when i'm at home, where I have a 17" and see if that works
[01:59] <nevyn> there aer many good reasons to hate java..
[02:00] <daniels> stvn: cool
[02:00] <nevyn> but it's api is nice.
[02:00] <daniels> stvn: (you're in one of the rare cases where there's no resolution that works on both, so you need xinerama)
[02:00] <stvn> heh
[02:00] <Elw0od_21> 46% [1 j2re1.4 10255367/22.0MB 46%]                               4818B/s 40m36s
[02:01] <stvn> it looks like ubuntu doesn't recognise cpu scaling, battery life and wireless either, but that's for later concern
[02:10] <GotD0t> uhh
[02:10] <GotD0t> something is wrong... i have WAY to many entries in /dev
[02:11] <_axel> hi, a friend got her XP box completely hosed by viruses and simply brought the computer here so i 'clean it up', but i only got my linux box for forensics... is there any decent anti-virus that runs on linux i can use to clean her hard drive or i better just format the f*ck out of it?
[02:12] <Treenaks> _axel: install ubuntu and be done with it :)
[02:12] <rory__> lol
[02:12] <_axel> Treenaks: i wish, but she barely can use Word, so better not go that way ;)
[02:12] <Treenaks> cleaning a windows disk from linux is extremely hard.. you could try backupping the data
[02:12] <Treenaks> then installing windows, and a virus scanner
[02:12] <Treenaks> then copying the data back
[02:12] <_axel> Treenaks: yep, but i guess if i backup infected data then it'll just start over again
[02:13] <Treenaks> _axel: yes, that's why you install the virus scanner before restoring the backup
[02:13] <_axel> she even has some lousy .EXE ms-access databases that she absolutely needs to keep
[02:13] <Treenaks> and scan the backup before restoring
[02:13] <_axel> scan from the newly formatted xp box you mean?
[02:14] <Treenaks> yes
[02:14] <Treenaks> back it up to CD or a samba share or something like that
[02:14] <rory__> just install an av with resident shield on clean xp box before u copy back
[02:14] <_axel> and what good virus scanner can i find for free? cause im not going to spend a cent on this, and im sure as hell not going to get a trojaned, virused, bombed, warezed virus scanner from p2p
[02:15] <rory__> avg
[02:15] <darkersatanic> AVG from grisoft
[02:15] <Treenaks> oh and install an anti-spyware tool too
[02:15] <Treenaks> (i.e. firefox ;))
[02:15] <rory__> and firefox :p
[02:15] <rory__> hehe
[02:15] <_axel> yeah thats for sure
[02:16] <_axel> and possibly ooo
[02:16] <stvn> any idea if it is possible to work from a webdav share, 'mounted' with connect to server in nautilus?
[02:16] <Treenaks> maybe abiword? that looks more like word, and has less confusing features
[02:16] <Treenaks> _axel: mozilla thunderbird for mail
[02:17] <_axel> dunno about abiword... i've tried it several times over the years, and could never make it work for more than 10 minutes without crashing or running into some outrageous missing feature
[02:18] <Treenaks> 2.2 was just released
[02:18] <Treenaks> or is just about to be
[02:19] <_axel> i personally love TeXmacs, its really cool for uni papers and etc... but i admit that's an acquired taste :P
[02:21] <rory__> ubuntu 45% installed...
[02:22] <deFrysk> 2.1.96 in hoary
[02:22] <_axel> funny, firefox just got really silly rendering this AVG website
[02:22] <rory__> use ie
[02:22] <_axel> and made X go poopoo eating 88% cpu
[02:22] <deFrysk> looks pretty slick actually
[02:23] <_axel> i guess it was some stupid java or flash all over the place
[02:25] <_axel> anyways me's gotta be goin, i got a dumb xp box to format and some forensics to do... thanks for the help!
[02:26] <rory__> cheers
[02:26] <rory__> gl
[02:26] <rory__> fucking lag
[02:30] <triablo> does ubuntu kernel support framebuffer so i can set the console resolition to 1024*768?
[02:31] <Treenaks> I think so
[02:31] <triablo> ok
[02:31] <triablo> then how? (im not used to grub)
[02:32] <Treenaks> triablo: you can add command line parameters in grub.. try some out first (press ESC to get the menu - the rest of the screens have help in them)
[02:32] <Treenaks> triablo: if it works, add it to the # kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:32] <Treenaks> triablo: (don't uncomment it!)
[02:32] <Treenaks> then update-grub -> reboot
[02:33] <triablo> ok Treenaks
[02:33] <triablo> thx
[02:39] <wood1> Which file do we have to edit to enable our Services ?
[02:39] <Treenaks> wood1: Services? in what context?
[02:39] <triablo> are we talking gollum today?
[02:39] <triablo> :p
[02:41] <CraHan_> does anyone else have trouble browsing samba shares using nautilus since the latest update in hoary?
[02:42] <CraHan_> if I browse the network using the debian machine it's all fine, but when I use the ubuntu laptop I canbrowse into folders, but as soon as I should be seeing folder contents it hangs/keeps waiting
[02:43] <triablo> try uninstalling it and dl/make it from source
[02:45] <bob2> triablo: do you know it will work?
[02:46] <bob2> if not, then CraHan_ should file a bug
[02:46] <CraHan_> recompile wat from source?  what's responsible for the network browsing code?
[02:46] <CraHan_> recompile nautilus completely?
[02:46] <Treenaks> CraHan_: just file the bug.
[02:47] <CraHan_> okido
[02:48] <rory__> [15:43:00]  <CraHan_> if I browse the network using the debian machine it's all fine, but when I use the ubuntu laptop I canbrowse into folders, but as soon as I should be seeing folder contents it hangs/keeps waiting
[02:48] <rory__> yeah
[02:48] <rory__> have same prob
[02:48] <rory__> but with warty
[02:48] <rory__> no1 seems to have any clue why
[02:50] <pa> Witch package need i to instal to get cc and other stuff to compile programs? :)
[02:50] <Treenaks> pa: what are you trying to compile? isn't there a package?
[02:50] <rory__> gcc
[02:50] <pa> nope :/
[02:50] <Treenaks> pa: otherwise, install "build-essential"
[02:50] <Treenaks> pa: have you looked in 'universe' ?
[02:51] <pa> Treenaks, what is that? :)
[02:51] <Treenaks> pa: universe is the repository with most debian packages
[02:51] <Treenaks> pa: look in /etc/apt/sources.list on instructions on how to enable it
[02:51] <pa> okay..thanks :)
[02:52] <Treenaks> pa: it includes 99% of the software you might want :)
[02:52] <pa> ah :)
[02:54] <pa> i think ubuntu is better than debian, and i have use it about 30 minutes :P
[02:54] <Treenaks> :)
[02:55] <pa> mabey i install ubuntu insted for my gentoo workstation :P
[02:55] <rory__> im installing ubuntu now on a virtual machine
[02:59] <Mayday> anyway to get a reiserfs fs to show up in the disk-mounter applet?
[03:09] <Timerever> i've heard a big fuss about Ubuntu Linux, anyone care to explain me a few things?
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: ask away :)
[03:09] <fwest_> hello,
[03:09] <fwest_> can i debootstrap this distro?
[03:09] <rory__> yes
[03:09] <Treenaks> fwest_: yes, look on the wiki
[03:09] <Treenaks> fwest_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ -- it has a detailed description of how to do it
[03:09] <fwest_> sorry should have googled first
[03:09] <Timerever> Treenaks:  is ubuntu debian based?
[03:09] <rory__> yes
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: yes.
[03:09] <Timerever> that explains the debs packages
[03:09] <rory__> yep
[03:09] <Timerever> are the debain packs compatible with ubuntu (doubt)?
[03:09] <fwest_> i wanted to try it under gentoo's debootstrap
[03:09] <rory__> yes
[03:09] <fwest_> i guess i need ubuntu's verion
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can use debian's packages, but there might be dependancy problems/conflicts, especially on upgrade
[03:09] <rory__> yeh, sometimes deps get crazy
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: it's better to use the debian packages ubuntu included in the 'universe' repository
[03:09] <rory__> but most of the time you wont need to use a debian pkg
[03:09] <Treenaks> Timerever: they're a bigfixed snapshot of debian/sid
[03:09] <Treenaks> bugfixed even
[03:09] <Timerever> does ubuntu have nice (and easy) management tools (like mandrake's Drake* or suse Yast)
[03:10] <Treenaks> Timerever: there's the gnome system tools (for settings), and synaptic (for packages)
[03:10] <Timerever> and the install tools? aren't they available later like mandrake's and suse's?
[03:10] <Treenaks> people are working on even cooler stuff: an automatic update notifier for the panel
[03:11] <Treenaks> Timerever: install tools? what do you mean by that?
[03:11] <Treenaks> Timerever: package installation is done by synaptic. configuration file editing is done by the gnome system tools (without you ever seeing the file: it's all in a GUI)
[03:12] <Timerever> those distros detect your hardware, install the packages, and configure the stuff during the install time
[03:12] <Timerever> does ubuntu do it?
[03:12] <rory__> of course
[03:12] <rory__> more or less, as with all distros
[03:12] <Timerever> but it still is a text based install
[03:12] <rory__> yeah
[03:13] <Treenaks> Timerever: yes, but "text-based" doesn't mean "bad"
[03:14] <Timerever> does ubuntu ships with useless (no insult intended to people who use these software) software like Vi, emacs, apache (?), whatever server tool
[03:14] <rory__> omg...
[03:15] <rory__> vi, emacs, apache are useless ???
[03:15] <Timerever> i'm tired of 3/4 cds distros filled with things i don't even know they exist
[03:15] <Treenaks> Timerever: vi and emacs are both installed by default, as a considerable amount of users are actually power-users :)
[03:15] <rory__> well ubuntu is 1 cd
[03:15] <Treenaks> Timerever: apache you have to install yourself :)
[03:16] <rory__> you can always install/uninstall whatever...
[03:16] <Sensebend> since when did Vi and emacs become useless?
[03:16] <Sensebend> did I miss that memo?
[03:16] <Timerever> since there are better editors like KDevelop
[03:16] <Treenaks> Timerever: uh.. there is no better editor than vim :)
[03:17] <Treenaks> Timerever: really :)
[03:17] <Timerever> but lest not go into trolling
[03:17] <rory__> lol
[03:17] <|QuaD|> vim=useless?
[03:17] <|QuaD|> LOL
[03:17] <Timerever> the thing is that my bandwidht is not that big and it takes me a lot of time to download a CD, and i have to do it at night or else... $$$$$$$$$$$ as bill ;)
[03:18] <rory__> u wanna be running an x server and wait for kdevelop to load when u could have already done what you wanted with vim ?
[03:18] <fwest_> vim default colours bug me, dark blue on a black terminal, smart default colours there
[03:18] <mjr> This is #ubuntu. Most here want to be running an X server :
[03:18] <daniels> guys, editor wars.  offtopic.
[03:18] <rory__> lol
[03:18] <rory__> ./clear
[03:19] <rory__> or click the clear button or whatever u do
[03:19] <Timerever> ok it was my bad trolling against Vi, i find it useless but people may like it so don't talk b'out it anymore (remembers me of OSNews wars)
[03:19] <fwest_> hell, you aren't hardcore if you use an editor, you should use cat and sed
[03:19] <Sensebend> graphical configuration is overrated
[03:20] <Timerever> i'm seeing at Distrowatch that KDE is not included
[03:20] <Timerever> is it right?
[03:20] <Sensebend> Timerever, it's in the repos
[03:20] <Sensebend> just not on the CD
[03:20] <Treenaks> Timerever: not on the CD, but it is available online
[03:21] <Treenaks> Timerever: in the 'universe' component
[03:21] <scizzo> Timerever: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[03:21] <scizzo> Timerever: you will find all the info you need there I guess
[03:21] <fwest_> im want a good platform for my tomcat/java/apache/mysql platform
[03:21] <rory__> yeah, something like redhat install with graphical or text based theres basically no diff except that u have to use the mouse in graphical (so it must detect video card right and mouse)
[03:22] <Timerever> cool, so ubuntu is a distro easy to use for newbie people on linux?
[03:22] <Sensebend> pretty much Timerever
[03:22] <fwest_> i don't care what i need to do to install, im happy getting a usb hdd, and debootstrapping :p
[03:22] <rory__> Timerever: yes
[03:22] <scizzo> Timerever: ubuntu is really good for newbies
[03:22] <rory__> its really simple to install
[03:22] <Sensebend> not only that there's lots of experienced debian converts here
[03:23] <Timerever> and the packages are normally up2date?
[03:23] <fwest_> how does it fair with java/tomcat/apache?
[03:23] <Sensebend> to help you out :)
[03:23] <rory__> but more advanced ppl may think its too simple because it doesnt let you config much in the install
[03:23] <Sensebend> yeah but any advanced user
[03:23] <Sensebend> can tweak anyway they want
[03:23] <Sensebend> with a editor
[03:23] <rory__> yeah, what Sensebend said....
[03:23] <electro> yo yo niggaz
[03:23] <rory__> with vim
[03:23] <rory__> :p
[03:23] <fwest_> i thought this was just debian with more upto date packages
[03:23] <CraHan_> bug filed
[03:23] <Sensebend> it's good defaults for the newbie
[03:23] <Sensebend> and makes a solid box
[03:24] <Sensebend> for desktop use
[03:24] <CraHan_> I tried the debian package for libsmbclient but it had no effect
[03:24] <rory__> except for nautilus sucking...
[03:24] <Sensebend> yeah, agreed
[03:24] <CraHan_> so I reverted back to the ubuntu package
[03:24] <rory__> cant get it to browse shares
[03:24] <CraHan_> rory__: indeed
[03:24] <Timerever> yeah but the packages? up2date? it makes me really angry to be able to install a program only after 3 weeks
[03:24] <fwest_> is tomcat5 packaged?
[03:24] <CraHan_> also, the right click context stuff on folders is gone in nautilus
[03:24] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can always install everything..
[03:25] <CraHan_> there used to be 'add to music library', 'add to archive' etc
[03:25] <Treenaks> Timerever: and up2date? what does that do? update the system?
[03:25] <rory__> Timerever, you can edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file to specify where you want to get packages from
[03:25] <CraHan_> those are now gone in nautilus
[03:25] <Sensebend> yeah, sometimes not being bleeding edge is a good thing
[03:25] <Timerever> Up to date packages (not 3 versions old)
[03:25] <Sensebend> I prefer cutting edge
[03:25] <rory__> there is no up2date app, thats just redhat i think
[03:25] <electro> anybody seen jeff?
[03:25] <Sensebend> let the others test things first
[03:25] <ProfQki> hi! can somebody send me a sources.list file? it think something goes wrong at my system
[03:25] <Sensebend> I need stability
[03:25] <ProfQki> it would be a great help
[03:25] <fwest_> i can't see an on-line package db,? am i blind?
[03:25] <CraHan_> Sensebend: I'm happy to test all of this :)
[03:25] <CraHan_> been looking for a way to contribute back
[03:26] <Sensebend> well by cutting edge I'm running hoary :)
[03:26] <Sensebend> I just don't upgrade daily
[03:26] <Sensebend> lol
[03:26] <CraHan_> yeah I do
[03:26] <CraHan_> upgrade hourly even
[03:26] <Sensebend> a bit excessive?
[03:26] <Timerever> ??
[03:26] <CraHan_> this morning there was a lot of gnome stuff :)
[03:26] <electro> is there somebody here that can help me install redhat?
[03:26] <rory__> well the more often you update the less u have to download at once :p
[03:26] <CraHan_> erhm
[03:27] <rory__> why do you need help to install redhat?
[03:27] <Sensebend> did you setup a cron job for the hourly updates?
[03:27] <Timerever> anyway i have a guy who want to test linux so should i sugest ubuntu to him?
[03:27] <CraHan_> redhat I don't know much about personally
[03:27] <Timerever> he never used linux
[03:27] <CraHan_> Sensebend: oh nono, just check if there new stuff on a regular basis when I'm working
[03:27] <electro> because i cant install it it keeps wanting to know my ip address but its automatically assigned so i dont know it
[03:27] <rory__> yes Timerever
[03:27] <ProfQki> nobody can send me the file???
[03:27] <ProfQki> please please
[03:27] <ProfQki> :)
[03:28] <rory__> sorry electro, i havent installed it in a while so cant really help
[03:28] <rory__> do you know what portion of it is asking for ip?
[03:28] <CraHan_> hmmm looks like nautilus's desktop refresh is borked too
[03:28] <electro> for the install it wants the ip
[03:28] <Timerever> and finally.... will my graphics table (a Trust 400) be nicely detected?!?
[03:28] <rory__> do you see any options that say "dhcp" ?
[03:28] <CraHan_> when I create a file in $HOME/Desktop I don't get to see it on the desktop
[03:29] <scizzo> Timerever: The best thing you should do is to try it out...
[03:29] <electro> rory__: I dont use dhcp my ip address is automatically assigned
[03:29] <Castr0> do you mean dhcp?
[03:29] <scizzo> Timerever: its what I always do when I want to see how things are...
[03:29] <rory__> what do you use to automatically assign ip?
[03:29] <electro> Castr0: I dont use dhcp my ip address is automatically assigned
[03:29] <Timerever> ok thanks all for your help
[03:29] <jedi> hey guys, since warty uses a 2.6.8.1 based kernel, does it have issues with ide cd burning?
[03:29] <electro> rory__: the internet
[03:29] <scizzo> jedi: you have problems using ATAPI?
[03:30] <rory__> have you tried enabling dhcp?
[03:30] <jedi> scizzo: well i'm about to recommend ubuntu to my friend, but i don't want to do that if he can't burn CDs still.. :)
[03:30] <Timerever> i'll be going now, c'ya!
[03:30] <electro> rory__: No there isnt any enable just a box with an x or not
[03:30] <rory__> well put an x in that
[03:30] <electro> rory__: im also having a problem with the sims
[03:31] <rory__> lol, cant help u with that :p
[03:31] <electro> rory__: I put the disk in at gnome but the installer never starts
[03:31] <electro> rory__: do you think its a problem with lunix?
[03:31] <electro> rory__: i mean redhat
[03:31] <rory__> does sims run on linux?
[03:31] <rory__> i wouldnt know
[03:32] <electro> rory__: I bought it at the computer store
[03:32] <Castr0> maybe the sims is preventing you from getting on the internet electro
[03:32] <Sensebend> sims should run in cedega I believe
[03:32] <electro> should i call maxis?
[03:32] <Sensebend> and I think there was a port
[03:32] <Sensebend> at one time
[03:32] <Castr0> I dont know I am not a computer expert
[03:33] <electro> im tring to get redhat installed so i can learn lunix and hack and stuff like that with wireless and cable modems
[03:33] <|QuaD|> electro: LOL!!!!!'
[03:33] <electro> so far none of my games work in gnome
[03:33] <electro> i put the cd in but nothing happens
[03:33] <daniels> electro: #redhat can help you with red hat
[03:33] <rory__> eish
[03:33] <electro> daniels: oh but they told me to come here
[03:34] <rory__> i dont blame them
[03:34] <|QuaD|> electro: i find that hard to believe
[03:34] <daniels> electro: sorry, we can't help with red hat.
[03:34] <electro> they said ubuntu means redhat help in gaylic or something
[03:34] <rory__> LOL
[03:34] <daniels> electro: no, sorry.
[03:35] <sid77> -_-'
[03:35] <electro> it means sorry?
[03:35] <scizzo> jedi: haven't tried that system with burning yet
[03:35] <Castr0> wait so this isn't a redhat help channel?
[03:35] <|QuaD|> ubuntu means "I am what I am because of who we all are"
[03:35] <scizzo> jedi: AFAIK using ATAPI *should* work
[03:35] <daniels> electro: no, ubuntu is another distribution.  sorry to disappoint you, but we really can't help you with red hat.
[03:35] <Castr0> liars
[03:35] <electro> daniels: im using redhat lunix though
[03:35] <Sensebend> I'm gonna go on a limb and call "troll"
[03:35] <jedi> ok thanks scizzo
[03:35] <Castr0> whats a troll?
[03:36] <gauckler> hi..
[03:36] <electro> like in the hobbit?
[03:36] <rory__> lol
[03:36] <electro> is bilbo baggins a troll?
[03:36] <gauckler> hi..z
[03:36] <gauckler> hi..zu
[03:36] <|QuaD|> electro: this channel does not support red hat linux, we are sorry you chose them
[03:36] <rory__> a troll is usually used to refer to a post/comment designed to cause trouble
[03:36] <daniels> electro: i assume linuxis.net know about linux, ask them.
[03:36] <electro> |qa: well if you want to run lunix you have to use redhat i know it sucks
[03:36] <triablo> Treenaks?
[03:37] <Treenaks> triablo: ?
[03:37] <Castr0> rory__, thats stupid
[03:37] <fwest_> oh no list of ubuntu mirrors
[03:37] <Castr0> what does that have to do with a troll at all
[03:37] <daniels> Castr0: please stay polite
[03:37] <rory__> nothing really
[03:37] <gauckler> I have a quick ubuntu/gnome question: is there somethink like "kprinter" in KDE, where I can choose the setting of the printer (duplex, 4 pages per sheet, etc)?
[03:37] <Castr0> sorry
[03:37] <scizzo> jedi: the system has recognized that I have a CD burner at least
[03:37] <electro> i dont understand about the troll thing either
[03:37] <maka_de> Sex the unix way : unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep
[03:37] <daniels> maka_de: please don't.
[03:37] <triablo> Treenaks: exactly what commands were you saying i had to put in to boot in another resolution?
[03:37] <bob2> maka_de: please stay on-topic
[03:37] <|QuaD|> electro: you don't have to use redhat
[03:37] <bob2> gauckler: gprinter or so
[03:37] <rory__> i think go to urbandictionary.com, they should have a good def of "troll"
[03:38] <electro> |QuaD|: right but i want to run lunix
[03:38] <Treenaks> triablo: /boot/grub/menu.lst has a line that starts with #kopt.. read the documentation there
[03:38] <Sensebend> lol, an old but good joke maka_de
[03:38] <Treenaks> triablo: I don't know about setting up resolution on boot
[03:38] <triablo> ok
[03:38] <Castr0> electro, its linux
[03:38] <Sensebend> despite the fact that I've seen that or some variant of for years
[03:38] <Castr0> not lunix
[03:38] <Sensebend> it's still funny
[03:38] <electro> whats linux?
[03:38] <Castr0> I think
[03:38] <Sensebend> linux is a kernel
[03:38] <electro> like popcorn?
[03:38] <electro> i dont think you understand what im tryung to do
[03:38] <daniels> electro: please leave
[03:39] <electro> what happened?
[03:39] <Castr0> that wasn't nice
[03:39] <Castr0> he was just asking
[03:39] <daniels> Castr0: neither is trolling #ubuntu.
[03:39] <bob2> Castr0: this is an ubuntu channel, not #random-redhat-troll
[03:40] <Keybuk> Castr0: sadly he was deliberately being annoying, rather than actually trying to contribute to the channel.
[03:40] <Sensebend> I agree Keybuk
[03:40] <Castr0> why would someone do that for?
[03:40] <daniels> Castr0: deliberate trolling is not appreciated, and detracts from #ubuntu, and he did not stop after repeated requests.
[03:40] <daniels> Castr0: someone coming from a linuxis.net domain, running linux, will probably know what linux is.
[03:40] <Sensebend> his trolling was offtopic anyways
[03:41] <|QuaD|> was he running linux?
[03:41] <Kamion> Castr0: welcome to IRC, I'm afraid.
[03:41] <daniels> Castr0: it's sad that people do that, but we have to keep the channel on-topic, so we took steps to keep it that way.
[03:41] <Kamion> Castr0: he wasn't just asking, he was trying to wind people up.
[03:42] <edwardo> hola amigos
[03:42] <gauckler> bob2: thanks, it's gpr acutally
[03:42] <wood1> Which file contains the services that we start ?
[03:42] <Keybuk> heh, not very well
[03:42] <Sensebend> lol
[03:42] <daniels> because no-one noticed
[03:42] <darkersatanic> Is it me, or is the quality of trolls going down these days? :)
[03:43] <edwardo> i have downloaded iso for ubuntu
[03:43] <Keybuk> yeah, you just don't get the same trolls since all the bridges got replaced by on-ramps
[03:43] <Sensebend> darkersatanic, I take it you don't read any USENET groups
[03:43] <Sensebend> lol
[03:44] <darkersatanic> Sensebend: Fortunately, no. I gave up on Usenet a while ago, from lack of time. Then I discovered IRC. :(
[03:44] <rory__> ouch
[03:44] <edwardo> irc?
[03:44] <rory__> there went all your time then :p
[03:44] <darkersatanic> I still have a small amount of it.
[03:44] <Sensebend> I try and find time for both
[03:44] <Sensebend> lol
[03:44] <darkersatanic> I keep it in a jam jar in my desk drawer.
[03:44] <davidpc> hello people : may I ask a question related to ubuntu printer setup?
[03:45] <Sensebend> sure david
[03:45] <Keybuk> davidpc: yup, is best just to ask your question instead of asking to ask :)
[03:45] <davidpc> Sensebend: thx
[03:46] <davidpc> does it make any sense that the printer connection window would see my printer, under 'Use a detected printer', but then would ask me for vendor and model in the driver window? and then not work?
[03:46] <Sensebend> yes actually it does
[03:46] <kent> If i install a package from Ubuntu universe and it does not show up in the gnome menu (For example, the game Neverball, or k3b) should i file a bug on that? Its a shame that realy good things does not show in the menu, not all persons know how to find them then :(
[03:47] <davidpc> (it can see the printer, even the right model, on /dev/usb/lp0, and when I give it "use another printer by specifying a port:', it doesn't work either)
[03:47] <edwardo> i am having a bit of problem with certian images viewing correctly in ubuntu web browser
[03:47] <bob2> kent: it's not considered a bug
[03:47] <Sensebend> sometime you might want to use hpoj instead of hpijs for HP printers
[03:47] <Sensebend> sometimes autodetection might not work right
[03:47] <edwardo> one of the pages is http://www.idge.net/~tim/rap.html all if the images are skewed
[03:47] <sid77> kent, there're howto for that, and no, it's not a bug
[03:47] <lemsx1> edwardo, what type of images (jpeg, png, etc..)? and what browser?
[03:47] <davidpc> Sensebend: oh. that's not the answer I was looking for ;-)
[03:47] <bob2> kent: you can add them from applications://
[03:47] <bob2> er, ///
[03:48] <edwardo> lemsx1: im not sure what type of images they are on the webpage
[03:48] <edwardo> http://www.idge.net/~tim/rap.html
[03:48] <edwardo> thats good example
[03:48] <restrex> hi guyz, I'm trying to install squid but I'm having this error when I start squid  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2uHErd69.html
[03:48] <Sensebend> You'll have to be more specific about your problem
[03:48] <davidpc> Sensebend: meaning, if it makes sense that autodetection might not work right, and you try a driver, in my case Epson stylus photo series, but it just spews pages instead of printing test page, it's no good, right?
[03:48] <lemsx1> edwardo, here people get kicked for "trolling"
[03:48] <gauckler> bye, thanx
[03:48] <edwardo> lemsx1: what is this troll you speak of?
[03:48] <lemsx1> edwardo, tell me what type of images and what browser
[03:49] <edwardo> lemsx1: it is browser with ubuntu
[03:49] <edwardo> lemsx1: if i could see the images i would tell you what type they are but i cannot
[03:49] <davidpc> I saw an entry for epson stylus R200 in linuxprinting.org, but it said they were using gimp-print as the driver. is there a way to tell the printer setup utility in ubuntu to use gimp-print?
[03:49] <lemsx1> edwardo, i see... i thought you actually needed help
[03:49] <edwardo> lemsx1: I need help with the browser displaying some images
[03:49] <] gimli[> how do i prevent X11 form starting at boot?
[03:50] <edwardo> ] gimli[: chage you inittab to start in runlevel 3
[03:50] <] gimli[> where is the autorun/start-at-boot-time filer?
[03:50] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, you would need to turn off gdm from your runlevel
[03:50] <Kamion> edwardo: no, that doesn't work on Debian-style systems.
[03:50] <davidpc> Sensebend: just wondering if using CUPS as driver is the best idea...or should I go fetch gimp-print...
[03:50] <Sensebend> edwardo is trolling, opers "link he posted in channel was offensive
[03:50] <edwardo> Kamion: whats wrong with debian syle systems?
[03:50] <kent> bob2, since universe is taken from debian archive, can i send a letter to that person and ask if she/he can put in one of those .desktop files that creates entry's in the gnome menu? Even if Ubuntu do not support those packages, perhaps some one cares and can do it?
[03:51] <Kamion> edwardo: Nothing. Runlevels 2 to 5 are identical in both Debian and Ubuntu by default.
[03:51] <pityu_> another question: what is ubuntu-desktop package?
[03:51] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, to know your runlevel run: who -r
[03:51] <edwardo> Kamion: then it is broken unix standards?
[03:51] <bob2> kent: a wishlist bug on the debian package would seem reasonable, yeah
[03:51] <restrex> hi guyz, I'm trying to install squid but I'm having this error when I start squid  http://rafb.net/paste/results/2uHErd69.html
[03:51] <] gimli[> runlevel 2
[03:51] <Kamion> edwardo: not in the least. Runlevels are not standard.
[03:51] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, then go into /etc/rc#.d/ and rename S##gdm to K##gdm
[03:51] <restrex> please see the error, guyz :(
[03:51] <edwardo> Kamion: or you decide to change them?
[03:51] <CraHan_> ok htat link edwardo posted was definately Not Safe For Work
[03:51] <Sensebend> yeah
[03:52] <edwardo> CraHan_: did it display for you?
[03:52] <edwardo> CraHan_: I cant get it to display correctly
[03:52] <Sensebend> surprised he's still here
[03:52] <CraHan_> thanks
[03:52] <lemsx1> restrex, for you to install squid you need to edit /etc/squid/squid.conf and put your visible_hostname there
[03:53] <restrex> ok :)
[03:53] <] gimli[> lemsx1: wich one of them? (rc0.d, rc1.d, etc)
[03:53] <lemsx1> ] gimli[, you said your runlevel is 2, so /etc/rc2.d
[03:54] <wood1> What's the name of the file which starts and stops our Services in Ubuntu ?
[03:55] <wood1> bob2, what is the name of the file which is found in /etc/???
[03:56] <wood1> which starts and stops our services
[03:56] <davidpc> wow there's a lot of trolling going on...
[03:56] <gnaaeatshit> eat shit
[03:56] <daniels> sorry to all the legitimate users on that domain.
[03:56] <scizzo> wood1: look in /etc/init.d/
[03:56] <rory__> lol
[03:56] <lemsx1> wood1, /etc/inetd.conf ? or /etc/rc#.d/S* depending on what service
[03:56] <Kamion> daniels: I'd go for that one IP; he'll get bored of having to reconnect quickly enough
[03:57] <daniels> Kamion: yah, it was just quicker to type the former
[03:57] <wood1> scizzo, how do we stop services from booting in the first place ?
[03:58] <scizzo> wood1: that is something you need to change in the rc*.d stuff
[03:58] <lemsx1> daniels, well done
[03:58] <scizzo> wood1: rc*.d tells when to start and when to stop a service
[03:59] <Elw0od_21> i have downloaded java as in the wiki,but firefox doesn't show plug in...why?
[03:59] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[03:59] <lemsx1> Elw0od_21, is it a symlink to the propper location?
[03:59] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: you will find information about linking and stuff...
[04:00] <wood1> scizzo, what does rcx.d means ?
[04:00] <wood1> What are those files for ?
[04:00] <scizzo> x=number
[04:00] <scizzo> well I am not 100% sure how to stop a service from starting on boot time
[04:00] <Elw0od_21> i have done apt-get install j2re1.4 after the apt-get update with new sources.list
[04:01] <rory__> rm the service
[04:01] <scizzo> maybe someone else could advice?
[04:01] <Elw0od_21> scizzo, i remove them from rcx.d/ or i chmod -x
[04:01] <glar00k> update-rc.d --help
[04:01] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: what=
[04:01] <Kamion> if there isn't an S??* symlink in /etc/rc2.d/, it won't start
[04:01] <wood1> Well how do we stop a particular service from running ?
[04:01] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: look at the site...follow the steps there to get things installed and it should work just fine
[04:02] <wood1> What does the rc0.d to rc6.d mean ?
[04:02] <lemsx1> wood1, if the name starts with K it will be stopped
[04:02] <lemsx1> wood1, 0 halt 6 reboot
[04:02] <Elw0od_21> scizzo,  i have already get 14mb with my 56k...i can use the .deb?
[04:02] <bob2> abdulc: please don't do that
[04:02] <Elw0od_21> sure
[04:03] <deFrysk> bob2, I got one too
[04:03] <deFrysk> nuts
[04:03] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: ooo...well that is what I have used to get it working...
[04:03] <wood1> Which rcx.d is the most important ?
[04:03] <Elw0od_21> scizzo,  ok thanks
[04:03] <bob2> wood1: rc2.d is the one run by default
[04:03] <daniels> sorry about the invasion of the trolls, everyone.
[04:03] <CraHan> I always rename Sxxscript to sxxscript
[04:04] <deFrysk> daniels, someone seems to have fun :s
[04:04] <CraHan> that way I know it was in there, but doesn't start
[04:04] <iz> daniels, no problem you handle it perfect
[04:04] <lemsx1> CraHan, you lowercase the name? scarry
[04:04] <wood1> where  do we have to edit to make the service from running ?
[04:04] <Kamion> wood1: see http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-booting, please
[04:04] <scizzo> Elw0od_21: sorry I can't be of more help... :(
[04:04] <CraHan> lemsx1: yes I lowercase the name
[04:05] <CraHan> lemsx1: works nicely since the scripts expect to find a capital S to run the script
[04:05] <lemsx1> CraHan, i guess you change all other references to that from all the other scripts
[04:05] <CraHan> lemsx1: how do you mean?
[04:05] <lemsx1> CraHan, ah, you mean to not run it... that's ok then
[04:05] <CraHan> lemsx1: yeah indeed :)
[04:05] <lemsx1> CraHan, but it's better to make it: S20script -> renamed -> K20script
[04:06] <lemsx1> CraHan, that way when you do "telinit #" the stuff will actually be stopped
[04:06] <CraHan> true
[04:06] <lemsx1> CraHan, I never reboot my systems :-) i use telinit 1 and CTRL+D whenever i want to make sure everything is stopped and restarted quickly
[04:06] <CraHan> of course each time you restart the system or change the runlevel after that one time it'll try to stop the daemons again
[04:07] <CraHan> ah ok
[04:07] <CraHan> <---- laptop here :)
[04:07] <Keybuk> lemsx1: sometimes you do need to reboot systems.  A libc security upgrade, for example, would be a good reason to reboot.
[04:07] <wood1> Can a Normal User ever crack a root's password ?
[04:07] <lemsx1> CraHan, "restarted" meaning I don't have to do: for i in `/bin/ls /etc/init.d/*`; do $i stop && $i start;done
[04:07] <bob2> wood1: they can try
[04:07] <Keybuk> even if you killed every process, init would still be using the old libc
[04:07] <CraHan> lemsx1: ic
[04:07] <bob2> wood1: well, not on ubuntu, since it doesn't have a root account
[04:07] <glar00k> wood1: not on ubunut, there's no root :)
[04:07] <Kamion> Keybuk: 'init u'
[04:08] <wood1> Well I am speaking about Gentoo Linux
[04:08] <lemsx1> Keybuk, i'm sure you would need to restart at some point... i upgrade my kernels as soon as new ones come out. so i reboot completely during those times... but whenever I upgrade gnome or gdm or whatever, i don't want to completely restart (or know what daemons to restart) i simply telinit 1
[04:08] <spot> oh wait, this isn't the redhat help channel
[04:08] <wood1> Can a normal Gentoo User get access to the root's password
[04:09] <bob2> wood1: #gentoo
[04:09] <lemsx1> wood1, simply: sudo bash ; and then passwd
[04:09] <bob2> wood1: but if root chose a guessable one, yes
[04:09] <lemsx1> wood1, or sudo passwd root
[04:09] <lemsx1> wood1, ah, i thought you wanted to have a password in root's account ;-)
[04:10] <davidpc> sorry for such n00b questions, but looks like I've got gimp-print 4.2.6 and I need 4.2.7, which I assume is not in unstable or main. is there 'testing' archives in ubuntu? are the lines for sources.list available somewhere?
[04:10] <wood1> Well my Account in Gentoo says that I have to be a member of the Wheel group in order to run "sudo"
[04:11] <fwest_> would anyone recomend ubuntu for a server?
[04:11] <lemsx1> wood1, and that's a good thing... that's the way to do it. on debian you can be a member of the group "sudo" and will not be prompted for a password:-)
[04:11] <deFrysk> wood1, also to run su you need wheel
[04:11] <lemsx1> fwest_, no. use debian for that
[04:11] <deFrysk> wheel is for running root apps as user
[04:12] <lemsx1> fwest_, that's my own humble opinion of course... ubuntu is for desktops
[04:12] <bob2> wood1: yes, that's a gentoo issues, please go to #gentoo
[04:12] <deFrysk> using roots passwd of course
[04:12] <bob2> wood1: you will not have that problem on ubuntu
[04:12] <bob2> or any other distribution I've ever heard of
[04:12] <fwest_> lemsx1, i would agree
[04:12] <fwest_> but i haven't used this distro
[04:12] <fwest_> only problem with debian, is the lack of java
[04:13] <bob2> fwest_: it's a problem with sun, but wiki.debian.net/Java
[04:13] <lemsx1> fwest_, well, the fact that ubuntu would try to automatically load modules for you and setup mount points etc... is not a good thing for a server... anything automatic is not godo setup for a server, especially if you are concerned about security
[04:13] <glar00k> it's easy to build java packages with java-package
[04:13] <fwest_> bob2, well, gentoo has tomcat5 java 1.4.2
[04:13] <bob2> fwest_: ok.
[04:13] <fwest_> just gentoo is the worst thing for servers ever
[04:14] <lemsx1> fwest_, Java runs like a charm on debian. i use it all the time
[04:14] <fwest_> lemsx1, yeah but its not packaged
[04:14] <bob2> fwest_: yes it is
[04:14] <lemsx1> fwest_, you can get tomcat and all those java-based systems to run with debian, go to http://www.open-xchange.org and follow the debian tutorial
[04:14] <fwest_> :(
[04:14] <bob2> just not in Debian itself
[04:14] <fwest_> oooo!!
[04:14] <fwest_> thanking you
[04:14] <lemsx1> fwest_, that's true. it's not packaged, but, this is UNIX after all
[04:14] <bob2> since java is non-free and tomcat requires non-free software to work
[04:15] <wood1> Ok what if I forgot my Gentoo Linux root Password ?
[04:15] <fwest_> yeah, but i want it packaged, just for neatness
[04:15] <wood1> What happens next ?
[04:15] <Elw0od_21> crashhh
[04:15] <bob2> wood1: #gentoo
[04:15] <Elw0od_21> firefox crash :)
[04:15] <bob2> wood1: please please please stop it
[04:15] <lemsx1> wood1, you want to get kicked out uh?
[04:15] <fwest_> if i could package java, i would be a most happy bunny
[04:15] <lemsx1> fwest_, you can do that in two simple steps (or perhaps 4)
[04:16] <lemsx1> fwest_, but that'd be offtopic :-) go to #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-devel
[04:16] <fwest_> if i can make debs for debian, im staying with that :D
[04:16] <davidpc> do the 'universe' lines you can uncomment in a fresh ubuntu install do the equivalent of 'testing', or is there really a 'testing' equivalent to debian?
[04:17] <bob2> davidpc: there is no testing in ubuntu
[04:17] <bob2> davidpc: just warty (stable) and hoary (effectively unstable)
[04:17] <lemsx1> fwest_, packaging apps in .deb's is really symple. install cdbs and read the documentation and follow the examples
[04:17] <davidpc> please tell me to RTFM and go to the wiki if I'm being too basic (already reading wiki, but can't find it)
[04:17] <bob2> davidpc: if some dependencies are mismatched in hoary, please file a bug
[04:18] <davidpc> bob2: oh ok thank you; is there sources.list lines for hoary?
[04:19] <bob2> davidpc: oh, you're using warty?
[04:19] <davidpc> bob2: yup I am, just iso I downloaded from ubuntu site
[04:19] <bob2> davidpc: and something isn't installable?  you're just using the cde?
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: well its gimp-print 4.2.6, I need 4.2.7 but it doesn't show up as available
[04:20] <bob2> davidpc: but you're using just the warty cd?
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: my guess was 4.2.7 and 5 are in testing
[04:20] <bob2> davidpc: no, there is no testing
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: nope connected, from apt sources.list
[04:20] <fwest_> thanks lemsx1
[04:20] <davidpc> bob2: no I understand now
[04:20] <Kamion> right, warty shipped with 4.2.6, hoary currently has 4.2.7; hoary is pretty unstable right now though
[04:21] <davidpc> bob2: so but my sources.list lines are for archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty main restricted
[04:21] <bob2> davidpc: ok.
[04:21] <Kamion> davidpc: might be easier to build the new version from the hoary source package than to attempt an upgrade
[04:21] <bob2> davidpc: I don't know how you could have the hoary version available, tho
[04:22] <davidpc> bob2: oh
[04:22] <davidpc> Kamion: oh :-(
[04:22] <davidpc> Kamion: is upgrading to hoary unadvisable? I did run debian testing for some time...
[04:22] <davidpc> (not that I didn't have a lot of grief there)
[04:23] <Kamion> davidpc: depends entirely on your level of confidence/competence
[04:23] <Kamion> hoary'll be released in four or five months
[04:23] <davidpc> Kamion: thought so. see, I just imagined I could use hoary lines in sources.list and just get the packages I need (like gimp-print 5.0), but I guess not, huh?
[04:24] <Kamion> davidpc: afraid not, at least not reliably; it might work for some packages, but we're not developing hoary with that goal in mind
[04:25] <davidpc> Kamion: no, of course. so I guess the best thing to do (urgh) is to get CVS sources for gimp-print and try to make/install?
[04:25] <bob2> erk, no
[04:25] <Treenaks> BShaftoe: hey, a Stephenson-reader :)
[04:26] <davidpc> bob2: oh. phew. so what's best do you think?
[04:26] <BShaftoe> Treenaks: lol yeah
[04:27] <bob2> I guess I missed what the actual problem was
[04:27] <bob2> gnome-print isn't installable in warty?
[04:28] <davidpc> bob2: have got gimp-print 4.2.6 installed, but apparently need 4.2.7, or 5 (beta)
[04:28] <bob2> davidpc: why?
[04:28] <davidpc> bob2: yeah gimp-print is available, just earlier version
[04:28] <davidpc> bob2: silly printer is only supported by later version, because it's an 'experimental' driver
[04:28] <bob2> davidpc: why do you need a newer one?
[04:28] <iz> Out of the box, Ubuntu is the winner in this test with 6:4 points but that does not mean that Fedora is a bad distro.  :)
[04:29] <davidpc> bob2: so says gimp-print site, AFAICT
[04:29] <iz> news from osnews.com
[04:30] <CraHan> w00t
[04:30] <CraHan> openoffice.org packages are resolved in hoary :)
[04:30] <davidpc> ROFL. the wiki page on adding outside repos is 'BreakMyUbuntu'...nice.
[04:31] <Gaaruto> CraHan> yes they are
[04:31] <Gaaruto> :)
[04:31] <palle> hi
[04:31] <Gaaruto> hi
[04:32] <palle> i wan't to move some space from a partition to another from "/home" to "/" filesystem is Ext3 how can i do that?
[04:33] <palle> someone said i could boot from knoppix and run qtparted is that possible? and if it is then where can i download knoppix?
[04:35] <palle> noone that knows?
[04:35] <Kamion> davidpc: I meant the hoary source package rather than upstream source
[04:36] <davidpc> Kamion: oh right! are you saying I should backport it to warty? or is it more straightforward than that?
[04:36] <CraHan> hmmm
[04:37] <CraHan> openoffice.org packages might be resolved but they kinda borked the colorscheme stuff
[04:37] <CraHan> it used to use my gtk theme color
[04:37] <CraHan> now it's using this win95 gray
[04:37] <wood1> by the way, how do I burn CDs in Ubuntu
[04:37] <Kamion> davidpc: the former seems easiest ... not that I've tried myself
[04:38] <mjr> wood1, with nautilus
[04:38] <wood1> I had recently installed a CD-RW drive and had to change the entry in /etc/fstab  to /dev/hdc to mount the CD-RW drive
[04:39] <wood1> Does nautilus support multi-session for a CD-R disc ?
[04:39] <mjr> don't really know
[04:40] <davidpc> Kamion: I ended up finding some 4.2.7 package on apt-get.org
[04:41] <davidpc> Kamion: not that I know how to get ubuntu printer setup util to use it as a driver though :-(
[04:43] <wood1> By the way, what is the link for changing the splash screen in Ubuntu ?
[04:58] (wood1/#ubuntu) How do I change the splash screen at startup ?
[04:59] (bob2/#ubuntu) wood1: it seems no one knows, try the list
[04:59] (fabb1one/#ubuntu) sivang: no need to message wartylog
[04:59] (fabb1one/#ubuntu) it won't answer
[05:04] (palle/#ubuntu) what if i dont need my /home partition anymore and wan't to remove the whole partition and add the space from that partition to / is that possible?
[05:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) depends
[05:04] (bob2/#ubuntu) is /home right after /?
[05:04] <TenPlus1> Hi folks... need some help please...
[05:05] <palle> yeah i think it is...
[05:05] <palle> i think it is bob2
[05:05] <bob2> think? you need to check.
[05:05] <Kano_Ubuntu64> hi
[05:05] <bob2> 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/whatever'
[05:05] <Kano_Ubuntu64> where can i disable the system sounds in gnome?
[05:05] <TenPlus1> Tried to install Ubuntu and got to 98% hardware detection and stops are SCSI_3.. .any ideas ?
[05:05] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: computer -> desktop preferences -> sounds
[05:06] <Kano_Ubuntu64> thanks
[05:06] <Kano_Ubuntu64> much better
[05:06] <palle> /dev/hda2   *           1        4030     2031088+  83  Linux
[05:06] <palle> /dev/hda3            4031       14040     5045040    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[05:06] <palle> /dev/hda5            4031       13515     4780408+  83  Linux
[05:07] <palle> =( not possible?
[05:07] <bob2> er, no need to paste it here
[05:07] <bob2> if they're not adjacent, you can't merge them, no
[05:08] <palle> and i can't fix it at any other way? what if i remove the /dev/hda3 partition??
[05:08] <TenPlus1> Tried to install Ubuntu and got to 98% hardware detection and stops are SCSI_3.. .any ideas ?
[05:08] <stvn> anyone uses mergeant on hoary?
[05:08] <Kano_Ubuntu64> where do i find mc?
[05:08] <palle> bob2 and i can't fix it at any other way? what if i remove the /dev/hda3 partition??
[05:08] <stvn> Kano_Ubuntu64: universe repository
[05:09] <bob2> palle: what are you trying to do?
[05:09] <bob2> TenPlus1: try asking on the list
[05:09] <TenPlus1> bob2: list ?? how do you mean ?
[05:10] <bob2> TenPlus1: the mailing list
[05:10] <TenPlus1> oh, thankx...
[05:10] <palle> bob2 i have no space left in my "/" partition and i have about 4.2 gig's free in the "/home" partition so i would like to move some space to the "/" partition
[05:10] <bob2> palle: you can't delete an junk from /?
[05:11] <Kano_Ubuntu64> where is the xorg repository?
[05:11] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: there isn't one
[05:11] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: it's in hoary
[05:11] <palle> bob2 the problem is that my / is only on 1.8 gig's and okay i could probably delete some shit now but i will probably need more space later on anyway so...
[05:12] <bob2> palle: if you nuke hda3 and 5, and hda2 is ext3 or xfs, then you can grow it into the produced space
[05:13] <palle> nuke?
[05:13] <bob2> destroy
[05:13] <palle> hda2 is ext3
[05:13] <Kano_Ubuntu64> bob2, isnt there a better repository with xchat 2.4 and xorg?
[05:13] <Kano_Ubuntu64> and firefox 1.0
[05:13] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: 'hoary'.
[05:13] <Kano_Ubuntu64> just replace warty with hoary?
[05:14] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: the development version of ubuntu contains x.org and firefox something.newer.than.warty
[05:14] <palle> so how do i "nuke" hda3 and hda5 then??
[05:14] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: do you want to help beta test hoary, and are you capable of fixing it when it breaks?
[05:14] <Kano_Ubuntu64> bob2, i use everyday usually sid
[05:14] <Kano_Ubuntu64> i just search for a base for a 64 bit amd live distro
[05:14] <bob2> Kano_Ubuntu64: ok
[05:15] <bob2> erm, ok...
[05:15] <bob2> palle: ask on the mailing list, I don't have time to walk you through something so dangerous right now, sorry
[05:16] <TenPlus1> bob2: what would cause installation to hang during hw check?
[05:16] <bob2> TenPlus1: buggy hardware or buggy kernel
[05:16] <TenPlus1> bob2: like the kernel doesn't support my hw ?
[05:16] <bob2> TenPlus1: like the driver has a bug
[05:17] <TenPlus1> bob2: oh... thx...
[05:17] <shultzm> Is there a hardware support list for Ubuntu or a known hardware issues list?
[05:18] <Kano_Ubuntu64> ok, now new xchat coming in...
[05:18] <bob2> shultzm: on the wiki
[05:18] <stvn> huh? is mergeant in universe so outdated (0.12.1-3 vs 0.52 on mergeant site) or doesit use a different numbering?
[05:19] <stvn> ah mergeant switched from .12 to .51
[05:20] <shultzm> bob2: Thanks.  This lookes nice and comprehensive.
[05:22] <king_arthur> palle: it's not difficult
[05:22] <shultzm> My laptop is not listed good or bad.  If the liveCD will not boot with any of the kernel options in the menu, is there something else I might try to get it to boot?
[05:23] <king_arthur> palle: just do some basic reading. I think pdisk is your friend
[05:23] <bob2> be careful
[05:23] <shultzm> The loader doesn't list any error messages or anything like that.  Just locks.
[05:23] <king_arthur> palle: very careful :-)
[05:24] <palle> king-arthur: you know ehere i can read about it?
[05:24] <palle> where*
[05:24] <king_arthur> palle: it's fdisk, pdisk is for macs
[05:25] <king_arthur> palle: do some googling. here's a link http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/partition-5.html
[05:25] <palle> king_arthur: okay thnx
[05:26] <palle> king_arthur: to nuke a partition is the same as deleting a partition?
[05:26] <king_arthur> palle: it's not difficult but it is dangerous, if you make a mistake you loose ALL your data 8)
[05:26] <king_arthur> yup
[05:26] <palle> aha, okay then i know already
[05:26] <palle> but i don't think there's any data on those partitions anyway...
[05:27] <king_arthur> palle: first you delete partitions
[05:27] <king_arthur> palle: you get free space all together
[05:27] <palle> k
[05:27] <palle> and then resize the / partition?
[05:28] <king_arthur> palle: out of two deleted (nuked) partitions you (c)reate one new one, possybly ext3
[05:28] <king_arthur> palle: / is not a partition. It's a Mount point
[05:29] <Kamion> king_arthur: pdisk is for IBM powerpc systems actually
[05:29] <palle> okay, /dev/hda2 then im just saying / so you understand easier what im meaning...
[05:29] <king_arthur> Kamion: I know I have already corrected
[05:29] <Kamion> king_arthur: ah, ok
[05:30] <king_arthur> Kamion: I am normally on macs and therefore made confusing myself
[05:30] <palle> can i merge two mount points instead?
[05:30] <palle> so i add space to / by doing that instead?
[05:30] <king_arthur> palle: you must create a mount poin and mount like I do with my girlfriend :-)
[05:31] <king_arthur> palle: sorry just kidding
[05:31] <palle> kk =)
[05:32] <king_arthur> palle: create a directory if you want in / for instance /girlfriend
[05:32] <hazmat> and you wonder why guinevere went for lancelot
[05:32] <king_arthur> palle: after you have created new /dev/hda3 = old hda3 + old hda5
[05:33] <palle> and mount /girlfriend with /dev/hda3 ?
[05:33] <king_arthur> palle: you Mount /dev/hda3 into /girlfriend... did you get the idea?
[05:34] <palle> yeah but what directory should i create? i need more space to install programs...
[05:34] <king_arthur> palle: after you have modified /fstab accordingly,  this is transparent to the system
[05:35] <king_arthur> palle: I told you: whatever you like.... /girlfirend /pippo /arthur whatever
[05:36] <king_arthur> palle: did you get me?
[05:36] <king_arthur> palle: I have gotta go now, do some reading, the  fdisk man/help will do
[05:37] <palle> yeah... but could i mount an already existing directory? f.e /proc with /dev/hda3 and move the files from my "/"-mount to /dev/hda3 ?
[05:37] <king_arthur> palle: it's easy but you gotta be carefull.. right?
[05:38] <king_arthur> palle: well the proble is that if you mount a partition you see only that contents as far as I remember
[05:38] <king_arthur> palle: if you are not carefull you end in having a system that doesn't work
[05:38] <palle> okay, do you know what kind of files is in /proc?
[05:38] <king_arthur> palle: not sure
[05:39] <palle> i think it is some essential files in there
[05:39] <king_arthur> palle: but why /proc?
[05:39] <palle> since they are all hidden
[05:39] <palle> because it takes 1 gb
[05:39] <palle> other maps only takes like 30-50 mb...
[05:39] <king_arthur> palle: look, just make a new dir into your root directory /
[05:39] <king_arthur> palle: lthere is no drawback
[05:40] <Kano> hi
[05:40] <scizzo> hmmm..I can't seem to find gstreamer0.8-mad in the repository
[05:40] <Kano> i installed nvidia drivers on amd64 version
[05:40] <palle> drawback?
[05:40] <Kano> now gdm does not work
[05:40] <Kano> startx works
[05:40] <king_arthur> palle: you are actually NOT taking any space it's just a link. Did you get me?
[05:41] <zenpod> Can anyone tell me how I can make more than one program be able to use audio at a time?
[05:41] <scizzo> zenpod: depends on your card
[05:41] <scizzo> zenpod: and driver
[05:41] <palle> king_arthur: hmmm, what isn't taking any space?
[05:41] <Tomcat_> Every time I visit an smb share for the second time (or try to write to it), I get a permission denied... the first time it works. I tried all options of saving the username/password... any ideas?
[05:41] <palle> king_arthur:  /proc ?
[05:42] <king_arthur> palle: mot sure why /proc is taking so much space but for the moment being if you want ti use your old partitions just do as I told you
[05:42] <Kamion> palle: /proc does not take any real space.
[05:42] <zenpod> scizzo, um.. really?
[05:42] <palle> kamion: okay
[05:42] <king_arthur> palle: do NOT modify anything without knowing
[05:42] <zenpod> scizzo, I have an Ensoniq AudioPCI in here.  How would I do this?
[05:42] <Kamion> palle: the 1gb you're seeing is mostly /proc/kcore, which is a filesystem mirror of your memory :P
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Forgot... when I set "any user has access to the share", it works on the first time.
[05:42] <Tomcat_> Eh... and later.
[05:43] <palle> kamion: aha...
[05:43] <king_arthur> Kamion: thanks can you carry on with him? I have gotta go
[05:43] <Kamion> palle: /proc is entirely virtual though.
[05:43] <Kamion> king_arthur: not really, in a meeting
[05:43] <scizzo> zenpod: make sure that the card can support full duplex or something
[05:44] <king_arthur> Kamion: just told him to create a new entry in his root directory and mount the new partitions there
[05:44] <zenpod> scizzo, how do I check that?
[05:44] <king_arthur> palle: just do it no worries
[05:45] <palle> king_arthur: okay thank you...
[05:45] <scizzo> zenpod: are you using the alsa drivers?
[05:45] <scizzo> zenpod: has double sounds worked before?
[05:45] <king_arthur> palle: once sure everything works, you can start moving or deleteng things
[05:45] <king_arthur> bye for now
[05:47] <zenpod> scizzo, I'm using alsa, and I belive I've had more than one app using sound at once before, but I think it was via esd, I dunno.  It worked in Windows.
[05:47] <palle> Error: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted!  You should e2fsck.  Modifying an unclean filesystem could cause severe corruption.
[05:47] <palle>  why is this comming up when im using qtparted?
[05:47] <scizzo> zenpod: well you can't actually compare this to windows
[05:48] <zenpod> scizzo, I just want it to work :)
[05:48] <zenpod> so what do I need to do?
[05:49] <scizzo> zenpod: well I am not sure that the card supports it with the drivers
[05:50] <lupus_> python 2.4 is out :)
[05:51] <zenpod> scizzo, ergh... then what can I do?  It's insane to not be able to pause and unpause a video in totem because when you hit play again, esd has taken over the soundcard
[05:51] <lupus_> http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/whatsnew/node13.html
[05:51] <scizzo> zenpod: turn of esd?
[05:52] <scizzo> turn off even
[05:53] <scizzo> zenpod: with a card that can't handle full duplex or the driver is not supporting it...then it is very useless to have the sound demon on
[05:54] <scizzo> zenpod: is it a card that is built in to the motherboard?
[05:55] <zenpod> scizzo, yes
[05:55] <zenpod> scizzo, oddly, Rythmbox and Totem can both play audio at the same time
[05:56] <scizzo> hmmm
[05:56] <scizzo> sounds like esd is something you should not use.. :P
[05:56] <zenpod> Yeah, I killalled it
[05:57] <zenpod> how can I make it not start?  Just uncheck 'start sound server' in the sound settings under computer?
[05:57] <scizzo> yes
[05:57] <scizzo> that should do it
[05:58] <zenpod> scizzo, okay cool
[06:06] <zenpod> um.. ok.. so also, apparently using the hoary firefox on warty = bad
[06:07] <bombrill> some one for a new guy on ubuntu ?
[06:08] <zenpod> bombrill, eh?
[06:09] <bombrill> I'm from the debian world, and I just discoverd that there's no root account on ubuntu !?
[06:09] <deFrysk> bombrill, sudo is used
[06:11] <bombrill> ok, so all I have to do is a sudo passwd root to have a root passwd ?
[06:11] <scizzo> bombrill: sudo apt-get install something
[06:11] <scizzo> bombrill: type the pass for the user
[06:11] <deFrysk> your usersaccounts passwd is your sudo passwd
[06:11] <tvon|x31> hey, baz 1.0 nice
[06:12] <tvon|x31> now only if it was in python :-P
[06:12] <bombrill> i gave the user passwd, but it's not the right one obviously...
[06:12] <scizzo> bombrill: are you trying what I said?
[06:12] <deFrysk> bombrill, the passwd you gave during install
[06:12] <scizzo> bombrill: have you used sudo ever?
[06:12] <deFrysk> sudo , not su
[06:12] <deFrysk> sudo <command>
[06:13] <bombrill> the thing is that a gui is asking for a passwd.. not a term
[06:13] <deFrysk> use your useraccount passwd
[06:13] <scizzo> bombrill: use the pass for the user then
[06:13] <bombrill> that's what i did... and i have a "passwd incorrect"...
[06:13] <scizzo> then you have changed the passwd for the user
[06:16] <bombrill> well... nope. my passwd is correct, but not accepted.
[06:16] <Kamion> bombrill: which GUI?
[06:17] <bombrill> application >> system >> network tools
[06:17] <bombrill> and "configure" on a network interface
[06:18] <Kamion> hm, I should have asked that question when all my convenient systems aren't buried in bootloader debugging so that I could actually check
[06:19] <bombrill> :) no prob..
[06:22] <bombrill> ok a simple sudo passwd root worked..
[06:32] <rad59> gm all
[06:32] <rad59> is ok to ask a (i hope) quick question?
[06:34] <bob2> just ask
[06:34] <rad59> thx! I am having problems viewing mpeg's I hear sound but no video
[06:34] <rad59> i have a default ubuntu install
[06:35] <rad59> and latest d/l from the site
[06:36] <bob2> mpeg-4?
[06:36] <rad59> y
[06:36] <Napo> Hi all
[06:37] <rad59> although avi's don't view either
[06:38] <stvn> probably a stupid question, but what is the password for ohoogadmin/where can i set it?
[06:39] <bob2> rad59: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:40] <rad59> ahhh, i did see that mp3's i must have missed that. thx!
[06:41] <rad59> have a great day!
[06:41] <kensai> I've setup ubuntu in another computer that has winxp on the other HDD. Now why when choosing to boot xp on grub it says unknown partition type what I need to change in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:45] <DN> hey hey
[06:46] <micsch> hi
[06:47] <micsch> Command 'kcmshell k3bsetup2 --lang en_US' not found, is this a bug in k3b?
[06:48] <micsch> or in ubuntu, because of missing depencies?
[06:51] <deFrysk> micsch, perhps set keyboard to us ?
[06:52] <micsch> deFrysk, and then?
[06:52] <deFrysk> you seem to have it set to en_US ?
[06:53] <micsch> i can not imagine that that will help
[06:53] <deFrysk> where is locales set to?
[06:53] <micsch> de
[06:54] <deFrysk> that could be the reason then
[06:54] <wezzer> hey, I read that k3b might crash something
[06:54] <wezzer> after I burned 1 cd, my x won't start
[06:54] <micsch> hui, nice
[06:54] <wezzer> it says that I don't have rights or something like that
[06:54] <micsch> deFrysk, good choise
[06:55] <deFrysk> I use mp3roaster
[06:55] <wezzer> I can start x if I'm root
[06:55] <deFrysk> a perl hac to burn mp3/ogg/and .flac to cd' s
[06:55] <deFrysk> hack
[06:55] <deFrysk> it rules and freed me from k3b
[06:56] <wezzer> hmm, thanks for the tip
[06:56] <wezzer> I'll try that next time
[06:56] <deFrysk> wezzer, your welcom
[07:04] <pridkett> anyone know how to mount a data dvd under Ubuntu?  If I do a straight mount it complains about not being able to read the superblock.  Same thing if I specify -t iso9660 or -t udf.
[07:04] <bob2> what exact command line are you using?
[07:04] <mjr> hmh, they mount automatically for me out of the box
[07:04] <zenwhen> Ive never had to mount a single cd since I installed Ubuntu
[07:05] <zenwhen> :) :)
[07:05] <zenwhen> or dvd
[07:05] <pridkett> bob: mount /dev/cdrom /media/dvd
[07:05] <pridkett> bob2: or mount /dev/cdrom /media/dvd -t udf
[07:06] <pridkett> i've never dealt with a data dvd before.  GNOME just brings up the cd burner window when I plop the disk in
[07:06] <bob2> is /dev/cdrom pointing at the right device?
[07:06] <pridkett> yeah, same then when I do /dev/hdc
[07:06] <pridkett> mount's cds no problem
[07:06] <ogra> evening everybody
[07:07] <bob2> sure the disk isn't blank?
[07:07] <mjr> I'd almost guess that your drive is broken
[07:07] <bob2> ie it mounts elsewhere?
[07:07] <mjr> unless the disk is, yes
[07:07] <pridkett> bob2: yeah, it works fine in windows
[07:07] <pridkett> drive is able to play dvds just fine
[07:07] <bob2> the exact drive?
[07:07] <pridkett> yup, I just dropped in a dvd to check
[07:07] <bob2> ok
[07:07] <pridkett> maybe it just doesn't like dvd+r
[07:08] <pridkett> worst case I'll just do a net transfer from another box in the office
[07:08] <pridkett> but 3.9GB even at 100Mbps is still kinda slow
[07:11] <pridkett> oh well, it's not a biggie.  I was just checking to see if there was anything special I would have to try other than -t ufs and what not
[07:13] <Oly> i got a quick question, just got 2 computers set up with ubuntu
[07:13] <Oly> when i goto network i can only see the windows machines not the ubuntu machines
[07:13] <Oly> any reason for this ?
[07:13] <Oly> should they show up in the windows workgroup ?
[07:14] <Oly> if not where do i look ?
[07:16] <ogra> Oly: to make ubuntu available to windows you must install and configure samba
[07:16] <pridkett> Oly: by default you probably won't see them, they won't have file sharing enabled
[07:16] <Oly> i am not worried about windows
[07:16] <Oly> ah i see, so i have to enable that
[07:17] <Oly> i just thought it was strange i could see a windows machine and not the other linux machine :p
[07:17] <ogra> Oly: by installing any kind of filesharing service...(ftp, nfs, samba, http)
[07:18] <Oly> okay thxs for that info
[07:18] <Oly> i may as well install samba anyway as i have a windows machine
[07:19] <Oly> i want to try this remote desktop as well but htought i would at least make it so i could see the computers first :p
[07:20] <ogra> Oly: easiest is to enable remote desktop on one machine and use "terminal server client" from the other box
[07:21] <Oly> yeah, but i thought a good first step would be to make sure i can see the other machine :)
[07:21] <ogra> Oly: do you know the ips of all these machines ?
[07:21] <Oly> yep there all static
[07:22] <ogra> Oly: you dont need filesharing enabled for remote desktop.....
[07:22] <ogra> Oly: just use the ip in TS client and select vnc as the protocol
[07:23] <Oly> okay when it said computer name i thought host name :p
[07:23] <Oly> did not think of using the ip
[07:23] <Oly> thanks a lot for that info ogra
[07:23] <ogra> Oly: :)
[07:31] <lupus_> if I do an commit to a cvs is there no way to let it auto add the commit text to be added to the changelog
[07:31] <lupus_> without me having to also edit the changelog file
[07:32] <wezzer> does anyone has ideas, how to fix my problem (users are not allowed to startx)
[07:33] <ogra> wezzer: did you install k3b ?
[07:33] <wezzer> yes
[07:33] <wezzer> and I even burned 1 cd with it
[07:33] <wezzer> after that problem came
[07:33] <ogra> wezzer: look at the owner of ~/.ICEauthority
[07:34] <thoreauputic> wezzer: in fact, just blow it away ( ~/.ICEauthority)
[07:34] <ogra> :)
[07:35] <wezzer> okay
[07:35] <thoreauputic> I've seen this with KDE apps run as a different user ( eg root)
[07:35] <wezzer> umm, I didn't find that on FAQ
[07:35] <wezzer> should it be added?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> wezzer: well, KDE isn't really supported, but yeah, worth knowing
[07:36] <wezzer> yea, but I found instructions how to install k3b to ubuntu
[07:36] <wezzer> somewhere on ubuntu site
[07:37] <wezzer> don't ask me where :D
[07:37] <ogra> wezzer: it was in there once......but its gone it seems (lookin at the site)
[07:38] <Kamion> it currently recommends running k3bsetup in a root terminal, not via sudo
[07:38] <Kamion> I would imagine that 'sudo -H k3bsetup' rather than plain 'sudo k3bsetup' would be fine too
[07:38] <Kamion> if you also avoid running k3b as root
[07:41] <thoreauputic> This is one of the things that irritates the hell out of me about KDE- the other is all the unecessary stuff KDE apps spews into my nice clean aterm about not being able to create a pixmap, and how it dumps "mutex destroy failure" in the middle of the next command on exiting!!
[07:41] <ogra> why does it need root at all ? (never used it....the disk group should be enough)
[07:43] <thoreauputic> Heh - I shouldn't have to type 2>/dev/null after every KDE app t stop the pollution... ;)
[07:43] <ogra> hehe
[07:43] <Riddell> thoreauputic: kdebugdialog lets you turn off the debug output
[07:44] <thoreauputic> Riddell: aha - thanks I'll look into it :)
[07:47] <clee> um
[07:47] <daniels> mu
[07:47] <clee> so does anybody else notice that they can't send mail in Hoary's evolution?
[07:47] <daniels> RESOLVED/WORKSFORME
[07:47] <clee> daniels: tberman just ran into this issue as well
[07:47] <clee> ok, well, I'm upgrading
[07:47] <clee> neat
[07:48] <glar00k> no problem here
[07:49] <Mesta> has anyone been following the "Mouse and keyboard stop responding after logout from gnome" bug reports? The status has been changed tp Resolved|FIXED but the message later on mentions that patches from Ben Herrenschmidt has not been committed to the 6.8 branch.diff (the sectio is titled 6.8.1-1ubuntu4).  So I'm left wondering if my issue has been fixed at all as I have an ATI card with which I suffered to bug this addresses in the 1st pla
[07:49] <Mesta> ce.
[07:51] <markie> Question for today - Is support for PPC available here?
[07:52] <thoreauputic> WOW! Turning off debug output speeds KDE launches up incredibly in fluxbox!
[07:52] <Mesta> there is no ppc irc
[07:53] <Mesta> so don't be exclusivist
[07:53] <Ruffian|Q|> Mesta, your in it :-D
[07:53] <thoreauputic> not to mention geting rid of all that unwanted crap...
[07:53] <clee> 13:53 <@tberman> a) smtp over ssl is broken. b) smtp with authentication is broken.
[07:53] <clee> daniels: REOPEN NOTFIXED
[07:54] <thoreauputic> Riddell: thanks for the tip !
[07:54] <daniels> clee: RESOLVED/DONTDOTHATTHEN
[07:54] <clee> daniels: lol
[07:54] <Mesta> Markie: PLEASE READ "And PowerPC is absolutely not a second-class citizen, and bugs are not
[07:54] <Mesta> 'prioritised' according to architecture.
[07:54] <Mesta> " written by Daniel Stone https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4125
[07:54] <daniels> Mesta: it's not been committed to the 6.8.x branch, but is in 000_stolen_from_6.8_branch_benh_ati.diff
[07:55] <daniels> which is a total misnomer, given it's only a candidate, but I forgot about it until after I uploaded, so blah, it can stay
[07:55] <daniels> i know what it means
[07:56] <Mesta> daniels:I appreciate the work done on th issue.  At present I've got ubuntu to work by hashing "Load DRI"
[07:57] <daniels> Mesta: actually, that isn't the benh fix, that's the gen_int_cntl fix, i'm horribly confused
[07:57] <daniels> Mesta: but regardless, the patch is actually in there
[07:57] <Mesta> daniels:So I guess what u're saying is that I wouldn't benefit from the fix by doing a update
[07:57] <daniels> Mesta: doing an update would fix your problem
[07:58] <daniels> Mesta: just ignore all of my comments in the bug where I said it was benh's patch, because it was another patch
[07:58] <iz> daniels, do you know if myspell-dictionary-nl and openoffice.org-hyphenation-nl not avaible are for the amd64 version?
[07:58] <bilboed> Hi, I'm trying to help somebody who's just installed an ubuntu. What bootloader does ubuntu install, and is there a graphical configuration ?
[07:58] <daniels> iz: no idea, sorry
[07:58] <iz> bilboed, grub
[07:58] <Mesta> cool In that case I'll update, actually already been doing it, and I' turn DRI on.
[07:59] <iz> dablitz :) np
[07:59] <thoreauputic> bilboed: grub by default
[07:59] <iz> err daniels :) np
[07:59] <xuzo> hi, one question: the fglrx works with xorg?
[07:59] <ogra> bilboed: what do you want to configure ?
[07:59] <Kamion> Mesta: you get to wait until binary packages are in the archive though
[07:59] <Kamion> Mesta: only the new source package is there as yet
[08:00] <StarScream> hi, finally fixed my hoary install but for some reason i can't use my speed touch usb modem anymore.
[08:00] <bilboed> thoreauputic, so I guess he'll have to configure grub by hand ? He wants to set up dual boot (windows partition on another drive)
[08:00] <StarScream> i think there is a module interfering
[08:00] <StarScream> as my speedtch module is loaded but unused.
[08:00] <iz> bilboed, grub do that for you
[08:01] <iz> bilboed, thirst install windows :)
[08:01] <StarScream> i removed all the other modules that were being used by the generic_ppp module
[08:01] <ogra> bilboed: should be done by default
[08:01] <bilboed> iz,ogra: I know it does, but he installed windows after linux :)
[08:01] <StarScream> but it still doesn't work.
[08:01] <iz> ai :)
[08:01] <ogra> bilboed: :(
[08:01] <StarScream> is anyone running warty with a speedtouch
[08:02] <StarScream> that could give me the output of lsmod
[08:02] <bilboed> iz, ogra no problem I know how to configure grub :)
[08:02] <iz> ah okay :)
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bilboed: so windows will have wiped the MBR :/
[08:02] <bilboed> thoreauputic, no he installed it on another drive.. and he chooses the drive at boot
[08:02] <Mesta> Kamion:how does one know when they are available as binary packages?
[08:02] <ogra> bilboed: you probably want to install this little app for him: www.grawert.net/software/startup-settings/
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bilboed: ah, OK
[08:03] <bilboed> ogra, can he install that easily ? and will he be able to setup the grub conf with it ?
[08:03] <iz> ogra, nice tool
[08:04] <ogra> bilboed: just the two options the shots show.....
[08:04] <bilboed> ogra, we'll see that later in that case
[08:04] <ogra> bilboed: if you go up to the software site, there is a description how to add my repository to synaptic
[08:04] <TenPlus1> bob2: is there a way to view to boot-log using Ubuntu-Live to see if there's any loader/hardware errors
[08:05] <bob2> no idea
[08:05] <bilboed> ogra, yep, I noticed, quite cool that synaptic app... I wish gentoo had something similar for nUbies :)
[08:05] <wezzer> umm, after solving the x-won't-start -problem, now I have root's desktop and nautilus thinks that my home folder is /root
[08:05] <ogra> argh....107 packages from warty-security...... ugh
[08:05] <TenPlus1> there's something stopping me installing Ubuntu and even Lindows that I cant seem to find with WinXP
[08:06] <ogra> bilboed: heh....port it *g*
[08:07] <thoreauputic> wezzer: sounds like you started X as root
[08:07] <bilboed> ogra, gentoo doesn't use debs. There was a project like that at one point... but it's dead for quite some time. I guess gentoo users are... not newbies :)
[08:07] <ogra> bilboed: thats why i laughed
[08:08] <Mesta> Daniels:How does one know when they are available as binary packages?
[08:08] <ogra> Mesta: update regulary
[08:09] <bob2> Mesta: it will be done within hours
[08:09] <wezzer> thoreauputic: nope
[08:09] <Mesta> WOW!
[08:09] <wezzer> everything else is like I have on my x
[08:09] <daniels> Mesta: give it about 3h
[08:09] <wezzer> like evolution settings etc
[08:10] <Hejsan> hi how do i unmount certain filesystems using umount?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> wezzer: well, how do you get a root desktop without starting GNOME as root?
[08:10] <bob2> Hejsan: umount /blah
[08:10] <wezzer> I'm wondering that too
[08:10] <Mesta> this has got to be the most responsive distro!
[08:10] <bilboed> ogra, thx for the help anyway :)
[08:10] <ogra> :)
[08:11] <wezzer> maybe I should reinstall ubuntu
[08:11] <Hejsan> bob2: like umount /dev/hda2 ? or umount /home ?
[08:11] <bob2> Hejsan: either
[08:11] <Hejsan> bob2 okay thnx
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|>  /join #mandrake
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> haha
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> oops
[08:12] <thoreauputic> Ruffian|Q|: traitor ! *G*
[08:12] <Hejsan> bob2: what if it says device is busy?
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> lol!
[08:12] <Ruffian|Q|> LOL!
[08:13] <ogra> Hejsan: it may be right
[08:13] <Mesta> especially ppc, see Markie_afk One does get PPC support here
[08:13] <bob2> Hejsan: then you stop using it before umounting it
[08:13] <bob2> Hejsan: you need to provide more detail
[08:13] <ztonzy> Hejsan, hejsan :)
[08:13] <ogra> Hejsan: do you try to unmount /home from within X ?
[08:13] <Hejsan> hejsan ztonzy =)
[08:13] <Hejsan> ogra: yes
[08:14] <bob2> you can't do that
[08:14] <ogra> Hejsan: wont work
[08:14] <bob2> what are you really trying to do?
[08:14] <Hejsan> ogra: why not?
[08:14] <ogra> Hejsan: there are files open in /home
[08:14] <ztonzy> Hejsan, vart bor du d ;) ?  (="where do you live?")
[08:14] <mirak> hi
[08:14] <ogra> Hejsan: as long as you are in X
[08:14] <Hejsan> jag bor i malm... du?
[08:14] <mirak> how to enable an scsi device just pluggued ?
[08:14] <mirak> like a scanner
[08:14] <mirak> I did not booted with it
[08:14] <ztonzy> Hejsan, lived there before summer...moved to Kvlinge
[08:14] <Hejsan> what if i boot from a linux-livecd? that mounts my /home and / devices?
[08:14] <ogra> mirak: you should not need to do anything
[08:15] <mirak> ogra: scsi is not plug and play
[08:15] <bob2> Hejsan: what are you trying to do?
[08:15] <Hejsan> ohh, so hows kvlinge then?
[08:15] <ogra> mirak: but hotplug is ;)
[08:15] <mirak> I will try to unload the scsi module
[08:15] <ztonzy> Hejsan, not fun...but I have 10/1 mbit though :)
[08:15] <mirak> ogra: I have just restarted hotplug service, but it didn't affected something
[08:15] <Hejsan> bob2 i wan't to remove the /home partition and use the space for other things
[08:15] <ztonzy> Hejsan, but way cheaper to live
[08:15] <ogra> mirak: try loading the sg module
[08:16] <mirak> ok
[08:16] <ogra> mirak: sg = scsi generic
[08:16] <bob2> Hejsan: ok...
[08:16] <mirak> pgavin: thanks
[08:16] <Hejsan> ztonzy okay... you know people in kvlinge?
[08:16] <mirak> ogra: by the way there is a bug
[08:16] <mirak> ogra: mm thanks
[08:16] <ztonzy> Hejsan, yes, part of my family
[08:16] <ogra> mirak: a bug ?
[08:17] <Hejsan> bob2 will it be possible to umount / and /home if i boot from a knoppix live cd?
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: the device created doesn't belong to the group scanner
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: so a user can't scan
[08:17] <mirak> only root can
[08:17] <ztonzy> Hejsan, if possible I might move back to Malm :)
[08:17] <Hejsan> ztonzy okay, so you are from kvlinge from the beggining?
[08:17] <ogra> mirak: which device ?
[08:17] <bob2> Hejsan: it's possible from the ubuntu one
[08:17] <mirak> I have posted this bug on the bug report
[08:17] <bob2> but I have no idea how
[08:17] <markwiz> I wish to learn how to improve behavior of Apple AirPort card; currently it is showing 15-45% signal strength and connections are erratic
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: the scanner device
[08:17] <ztonzy> Hejsan, no...more west ;)
[08:17] <Hejsan> ztonzy okay
[08:17] <ogra> mirak: are you on hoary ?
[08:17] <mirak> ogra: yes
[08:17] <ztonzy> Hejsan, so it is easy to guess
[08:17] <ogra> mirak: ah, ok
[08:18] <Hejsan> bob2 okay, but i need to boot from knoppix because i need to use qtparted
[08:18] <ogra> mirak: on warty it works, even with scsi scanners
[08:19] <Hejsan> ztonzy actually i have no idea... my guess would be lddekpinge?
[08:19] <Hejsan> geographi isn't my strongest side =)
[08:19] <ztonzy> Hejsan, ;)
[08:19] <ztonzy> if not
[08:19] <ztonzy> I would end up in sea
[08:19] <Hejsan> hehehe
[08:19] <Hejsan> k
[08:20] <ztonzy> Hejsan, and you ?
[08:20] <Hejsan> i am originally from malm
[08:20] <Hejsan> or outside malm actually
[08:20] <Hejsan> in Bara
[08:21] <ztonzy> ah
[08:21] <ztonzy> been there some
[08:21] <Hejsan> ohhh
[08:21] <Hejsan> partying here?
[08:21] <ztonzy> helped my dad fixed the former "tegelfabriken"
[08:21] <ztonzy> ;)  no...not that...
[08:21] <Hejsan> aha....
[08:21] <Hejsan> how old are you?
[08:22] <ztonzy> he is retired plumber....I am too old
[08:22] <ztonzy> 35
[08:22] <Hejsan> aha...
[08:22] <ztonzy> uh...entire channel stopped =O
[08:22] <Hejsan> hehehe
[08:23] <Hejsan> any1 knows how to umount / and /home when starting from a knoppix cd?
[08:23] <Hejsan> or prevent the cd to mount them?
[08:23] <ogra> Hejsan: they shouldnt be mounted by default
[08:24] <Hejsan> ogra: they are =(
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> Hmmm
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> Im going to quad boot with my new PC
[08:24] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[08:24] <Hejsan> im trying to run qtparted and it says that hda2 is active
[08:24] <Hejsan> hda2 = /
[08:24] <TenPlus1> Did anyone have aby problems installing Ubuntu during the Hardware Detection phase ???
[08:24] <ogra> Hejsan: i never saw that
[08:25] <Hejsan> ogra: hmm, strange... mabey we have differnet versions?
[08:25] <Hejsan> ogra: i have some danish version
[08:25] <ogra> Hejsan: the last i tried was 3.6 i think
[08:26] <Hejsan> ogra: you know where i can download that?
[08:26] <lupus_> - <property name="invisible_char" translatable="yes">*</property>
[08:26] <lupus_> +  <property name="invisible_char">*</property>
[08:26] <lupus_> is the translatable=yes deprecated?
[08:26] <ogra> Hejsan: i tok it anywhere from knopper.net .... but there is also a ubuntu livecd
[08:26] <ztonzy> sorry...but does ubuntu ship a 64 bit smp kernel?
[08:27] <ztonzy> a friend wonders
[08:27] <Hejsan> ogra: yeah i tried the ubuntu live-cd but it hasn't got qtparted
[08:27] <lupus_> because glade 2.6.5 auto did this change
[08:27] <ogra> ztonzy: amg64 i guess....
[08:27] <Hejsan> and i don't know how to rezise partitions with parted
[08:27] <ztonzy> ogra, amg?  you mean amd ?
[08:27] <ogra> yep
[08:27] <ogra> typo
[08:28] <ztonzy> yeah, but it has smp support?  warty 64bit ?
[08:29] <ogra> looks like linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp
[08:29] <ztonzy> ogra, aha...I cant use 64bit myself, I have a friend that has...who wants to use it
[08:30] <ogra> oh, whats that ? linux-image-2.6-amd64-xeon
[08:30] <ztonzy> what what ?
[08:31] <ogra> i have to use amd64 for x86_64 ?
[08:31] <ogra> funny...didnt know that
[08:31] <ztonzy> ogra, you mean AMD and not Intel ?
[08:31] <ogra> ztonzy: xeon is a intel cpu
[08:32] <ztonzy> ogra, I know...  but why does it say ' linux-image-2.6-amd64-xeon'  <---- amd64
[08:32] <ogra> ztonzy: its another kernel image.....i way just astonished
[08:32] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive just ordered the Ubuntu CDs
[08:33] <Pluk> i hope i get them soon :)
[08:33] <TenPlus1> me too
[08:33] <wezzer> do they cost anything?
[08:33] <Pluk> ordered a lot
[08:33] <Pluk> nothing
[08:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive asked for 2 MAC 64-bit to the university lab, my teacher will kill me but who cares
[08:33] <Hejsan> they cost nothing
[08:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> wezzer: nothing
[08:33] <ogra> ztonzy: i thin intel had to make the xeon64 compatible to the amd64 standard or someting.....which is really funny, becaues its normally the other way around
[08:33] <wezzer> I was thinking, that they might be a good christmas present for my stupic friend who use windows xp
[08:33] <ztonzy> ogra, lol, yepp
[08:33] <wezzer> wow, I must order some :)
[08:33] <TenPlus1> hope the original's work ok tho
[08:33] <_|Imanewbie|_> wezzer: amem
[08:34] <Pluk> ordered 20 i386 and 10 amd64 :)
[08:34] <Hejsan> i ordered 50 cd's totally =)
[08:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> I got a friend, he is jewish, uses glasses, has an ugly girl friend and likes XP he is d00med
[08:34] <Pluk> gonna spread them on a lan
[08:34] <Pluk> hehe even better Hejsan
[08:34] <Hejsan> :)
[08:34] <TenPlus1> XP's not that bad, so long as u plug the holes... :)
[08:34] <wezzer> _|Imanewbie|_: one of my "friends" even uses the ugly windows xp theme, with big red buttons
[08:35] <wezzer> eww
[08:35] <Pluk> :D
[08:35] <wezzer> i must send him 2 ubuntu cd's
[08:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> wezzer: I cant figure out how a CS student can be happy with Windows
[08:36] <wezzer> me neither
[08:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> you can't change anything
[08:36] <TenPlus1> depends what you want to change ?
[08:36] <_|Imanewbie|_> next thing I will try on my machine is gentoo and freebsd
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: whatever is find crappy, like.. Windows hasa new procces for each window of Internet Explorer
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: and you CANT remove it
[08:38] <TenPlus1> that's why I use Firefox and not IE6 :)
[08:38] <TenPlus1> you can always find a way around the problem
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: Ive found linux as my way around =)
[08:38] <Kamion> that sounds like a positive improvement actually, considering how frequently IE crashes
[08:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> Kamion: lol
[08:38] <Kamion> but I think in fact they may be threads, not processes
[08:38] <TenPlus1> I'd love to be able to say that, but Ubuntu won't even install on my system... dunno why
[08:39] <Kamion> TenPlus1: what happens?
[08:39] <TenPlus1> get to hardware detection phase on install cd, 98% at the SCSI_DRIVE part then it stalls
[08:39] <Kamion> yuck, sounds like a driver issue
[08:39] <Kamion> can you switch to alt-f2?
[08:39] <TenPlus1> been looking online all afternoon for a fix but nothing...
[08:40] <Kamion> what exactly is on the screen when it hangs?
[08:40] <TenPlus1> but for some reason Knoppix and Lindows live! cd's work.. so am downloading Ubuntu live to see whats up
[08:40] <TenPlus1> Kamion: the hardw-are detection box during install... gets to 98% and stalls when it comes up SCSI3
[08:40] <Kamion> they have different kernels
[08:40] <Kamion> "SCSI3", literally? that doesn't sound right
[08:40] <Kamion> I need to know what I can grep for :)
[08:41] <TenPlus1> SCSI_3 something something... sorry, forgot the rest of the line...
[08:41] <TenPlus1> but it's definately sitting at 98% and I cant do anything but rebooot afterwards
[08:42] <ztonzy> Hejsan, how old are you?
[08:42] <wezzer> whee, I ordered 10 CD's
[08:42] <wezzer> :)
[08:42] <TenPlus1> lol
[08:43] <TenPlus1> How can u guys afford to give away FREE Ubuntu CD's ???
[08:43] <ogra> TenPlus1: with a lot of love to mankind ?
[08:43] <TenPlus1> aww... :) that's kewl...
[08:44] <Kamion> TenPlus1: if you can find the exact string that would be helpful.
[08:44] <TenPlus1> That's why I wanna use Ubuntu, cause the community side rocks!
[08:44] <_Legion_> I got a bug in my ubuntu, where do i have to report it?
[08:44] <Kamion> TenPlus1: consider it a kind of PR exercise, and think how much many companies spend on advertising ...
[08:45] <Kamion> it's a bit nicer to people than most kinds of PR, admittedly :-)
[08:45] <ogra> TenPlus1: thats because it has cool developers.....they attract cool communitys ;)
[08:45] <TenPlus1> hehe
[08:45] <_|Imanewbie|_> TenPlus1: in fact "cds" are cheap, most cost of sowtware is on the "development" profit, wich is free in linux
[08:45] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: dont forget the shipping costs
[08:46] <TenPlus1> I miss having a community, like when I had my Amiga beforehand... that was kewl
[08:46] <kandiflake> ubuntu live does not carry sshd!
[08:46] <kandiflake> wtf!
[08:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: this is another point this is the grat cost they will have
[08:46] <kandiflake> grrr!
[08:46] <laotse> anyone know of any issues with ubuntu default install and hotplug devices?
[08:47] <ogra> laotse: you mean the errors on boot ?
[08:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> laotse: I have, I have 2 warning about hotplug been unable to set up some stuff
[08:47] <laotse> I got ubuntu to install just fine on my new server, but after it reboots the start up hangs at hotplug devices
[08:47] <ogra> laotse: pciehp etc
[08:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> laotse: samething here but it loads oki after the warnings
[08:47] <laotse> _|Imanewbie|_ it seems to hang and not recover
[08:47] <Hejsan> ztonzy i am 20 years old...
[08:48] <ogra> laotse: doesnt boot ?
[08:48] <ztonzy> Hejsan, aah
[08:48] <emil> Bah..Can't log on to root ;_;
[08:48] <laotse> ogra the kernel comes up and things start to run, then when it says initializing hotplug system, it freezes
[08:48] <Hejsan> emil: su root ?
[08:48] <_|Imanewbie|_> emil: ubuntu is sudo based
[08:48] <ogra> emil: use sudo
[08:49] <ogra> laotse: tried to boot with different kernel options ?
[08:49] <emil> The problem is that i don't know the root-password ;_;
[08:49] <ogra> laotse: i.e. pci=noacpi
[08:49] <emil> Didn't ask me to define one under the installation
[08:49] <justdave> emil: sudo doesn't need the root password, it uses your own password.
[08:49] <ogra> emil: sudo uses _your_ pw
[08:49] <laotse> ogra not yet, haven't had a ton of time to look into it, probably research it some more tonight
[08:50] <fabbione> hmm
[08:50] <laotse> fabbione hey man
[08:50] <fabbione> laotse: try to boot linux s
[08:50] <laotse> fabbione fix my hotplug issue
[08:50] <fabbione> laotse: from there disable hotplug
[08:50] <fabbione> laotse: and let it boot
[08:50] <kensai> By God, Hoary is broken today LOL everything is messed maybe tomorrow it'll be fixed ;)
[08:50] <TenPlus1> <fingers crossed>
[08:50] <emil> # su root, then type my password? Did that. Didn't work.
[08:51] <fabbione> laotse: does it hard freeze the box?
[08:51] <laotse> fabbione it seems to, but I was just playing with it during my lunch break, haven't really tried to debug the problem yet
[08:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> emil: sudo
[08:51] <fabbione> laotse: sometimes hotplug can really take hell of a lot of time to boot
[08:51] <fabbione> laotse: s#boot#finish
[08:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> emil: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root/view?searchterm=root
[08:52] <emil> Zankjoo
[08:52] <sven-eric> Howdy Folks - has anybody experiences with a parallel installation of mac os X and ubuntu - especially regarding (1) the order of installation and (2) recognition of the ibook-hardware?
[08:52] <laotse> fabbione maybe I'll turn it on again and let it sit for half an hour or so and just see if it untangles itself
[08:53] <Hejsan> emil: read this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[08:53] <laotse> fabbione I believe the numlock key was turning the light on and off now that I think about it
[08:53] <laotse> fabbione which means it was probably not hard locked
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: in that case let it run for a bit
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: hotplug is a race condition trap
[09:00] <Chand> hi
[09:00] <justdave> sven-eric: I had Mac OS X installed first (because it sets up all the special partitions in the partition map that Macs need)
[09:00] <Chand> i just upgraded openoffice.org to 1.1.3ubuntu
[09:00] <wood1> Well do I change the color of the Grub Boot Loader ?
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: worst case linux s and you are up to kill hotplug
[09:00] <Chand> openoffice 1.1.3 uses gtk1 ?
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione I'm striping the drives in this thing anyway...
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione so it's not like I'm going to be able to just yank a drive out while it's running
[09:00] <Hejsan> cya all later...
[09:00] <TenPlus1> cya
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: i guess you mean mirroring :-)
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: otherwise if you unplug a drive you can say bye bye
[09:00] <_|Imanewbie|_>  I gtg study calculus cya \o>
[09:00] <TenPlus1> cya
[09:00] <fabbione> ok i am off for the day
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: ttyl
[09:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> close
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: give a hug to wife & kids :-)
[09:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> wooops
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione later man and will do
[09:00] <laotse> fabbione although I don't know if I'll give my wife a hug for you... you lecherous bastard ;)
[09:00] <fabbione> laotse: ahahaha
[09:00] <kandiflake> exit
[09:00] <wood1> How do I change the splash screen in Ubuntu ?
[09:01] <emil> *is installing MPlayer ^^
[09:04] <wasabi> Woh, update-manager is slick.
[09:06] <derek> hey, what is the advantage to gdesklets over gkrellm
[09:10] <davmor2> can anyone help me please I was used to using K3b to burn iso/cue/bin files but every time I try to install it via apt it comes with an error and shuts down. can I burn these file with the cd creator that comes with gnome or is there another app that can. Or is there a document page for cd creator.
[09:10] <stuNNed> how to delete the vfolder 'Junk' in evolution?
[09:11] <ogra> davmor2: for iso just right click....
[09:12] <ogra> davmor2: ...the iso image
[09:12] <davmor2> ogra what about cue/bin
[09:13] <wasabi> Hey, that doesn't work for me. :0
[09:13] <ogra> davmor2: nope...
[09:13] <wasabi> Nautilus can't seem to use my cdburner...
[09:13] <emil> wasabi > IDE-burner?
[09:13] <ogra> wasabi: what kind of burner ?
[09:13] <DN> woo i'm rockin windows xp
[09:13] <ogra> emil: shouldnt make a difference
[09:13] <wasabi> orge, a burner that worked fine last time I tried it on debian. ;)
[09:14] <emil> My burner didn`t work before either, until i compiled a new kernel with SCSI-emulation.
[09:14] <emil> It was an IDE, btw.
[09:14] <ogra> wasabi: what kind of burner ?
[09:14] <ogra> wasabi: ide/scsi/usb ?
[09:14] <wasabi> ide.
[09:15] <ogra> ah
[09:15] <emil> wasabi > Got a guide for you, but it's norwegian :D
[09:15] <emil> Just babelfish it.
[09:15] <ogra> hmm, it should work out of the box (on warty)
[09:15] <wasabi> i dont need a guide
[09:15] <wezzer> I recall that kernel >2.6 needed scsi-emulation for ide drives too
[09:15] <wezzer> not sure though
[09:15] <ogra> wezzer: nope
[09:16] <ogra> you call cdrecord with dev=/dev/hdX where X is the actual letter
[09:16] <ogra> nautilus should do the same
[09:16] <wasabi> cdrecord works fine, just nautilus doesn't.
[09:16] <ogra> wasabi: look in the device manager
[09:17] <wasabi> hal is fine
[09:17] <emil> Use another program to burn <D
[09:17] <ogra> wasabi: wait a sec
[09:19] <wood1> Does somebody know how to change the Splash Screen at login in Ubuntu ?
[09:19] <ogra> wasabi: look if your burner has: storage.cdrom.cdrw in the advanced tab of hal-dev-mgr
[09:19] <wasabi> it does.
[09:19] <CraHan> joy
[09:19] <ogra> wood1: the loginscreen ? or the one that comes afterwards ?
[09:19] <CraHan> all the menu icons in gnome have turned into pain folders
[09:19] <CraHan> no more game icon, or office icon
[09:19] <CraHan> all plain old folder icons
[09:19] <wood1> The one that comes after login
[09:19] <ogra> wood1: unse gconf-editor and look for apps/gnome-session
[09:19] <ogra> use
[09:19] <ogra> CraHan: hoary fun ?
[09:19] <CraHan> ogra: yessrir :)
[09:19] <wood1> ok
[09:20] <CraHan> the joys of bugtesting :)
[09:20] <CraHan> well, bug hunting
[09:20] <davmor2> wood1  can simply click computer system config login screen setup
[09:20] <wood1> I can't see the key names
[09:21] <ogra> wasabi: is the setting true (0x1) ?
[09:21] <wasabi> yes.
[09:21] <ogra> hmm
[09:21] <emil> Yeah
[09:21] <emil> Finally installed MPlayer
[09:21] <emil> graphical version :D
[09:22] <ogra> wasabi: what about gnome-volume-manager....look in Computer->Desktop settings->Removable media
[09:22] <afonit> doesn anybody know when ubutu will get around to putting firefox 1.0 in the repositories?
[09:22] <ogra> wasabi: what is in there for empty cds ?
[09:23] <mtl> I accidentally made a password for root and can now login from console as root... what do i need to do to make things back normal?
[09:23] <ogra> afonit: it will be in hoary
[09:23] <ogra> afonit: in april
[09:23] <ogra> mtl: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:24] <afonit> ogra:  really? so we have to do the unstable version to do the stable releases of programs?
[09:24] <ogra> afonit: 0.9.3 was more stable when warty got released
[09:24] <wasabi> ubuntu doesn't track release of programs. they release them as a bunch... tested and integrated.
[09:24] <wasabi> at specific time periods.
[09:25] <afonit> ogra:  just so I understand, so for instance, to get the latest inkscape, I will need to be on hoary?
[09:25] <davmor2> can anyone tell me a good gui based burner that is specifically for gnome that would cover cue/bin files please (not K3b)
[09:25] <afonit> wasabi: thanks
[09:25] <wasabi> afonit: you can get the latest inkscape FROM hoary, without gettting the rest of hoary.
[09:25] <wasabi> but some dependencies will be pulled along, and that is not supported.
[09:25] <wasabi> well, not really supported.
[09:25] <wasabi> it might break. ;0
[09:25] <afonit> wasabi: how so, got a link, thanks
[09:25] <ogra> afonit: you get the well tested and stable inkscape in warty and the latest untested and unstable one in hoary, yes
[09:26] <LinuxJones> davmor2, what do you need to do with cue/bin files ?
[09:26] <afonit> thankyou all for your answeres and help, that does clarify it for me
[09:26] <defendguin> shit
[09:26] <ogra> wasabi: it surely will....once...because the dependencys of the dependencys change....
[09:26] <defendguin> i just treid running rpm --rebuilddb and i got this
[09:26] <davmor2> burn them to cd
[09:27] <wood1> ogra, how do I change the skins of Xmms ?
[09:27] <defendguin> error: rpmdbNextIterator: skipping h#738197586 blob size(11): BAD, 8 + 16 * il(1375731752) + dl(1375731754)
[09:27] <wasabi> ogra: what nautilus says is:
[09:27] <wasabi> Reload rewritable or blank media
[09:27] <wasabi> Please replace the in-drive media by a rewritable or blank media.
[09:27] <wasabi> Yet, cdrecord burns to it just fine.
[09:27] <ogra> wood1: i dont use xmms...but right click the window would be my guess
[09:27] <CraHan> I think you need to copy the skins into a folder under .xmms and then select it by rightclicking on the xmms player and selecting skin browser
[09:27] <wood1> what do you use then ?
[09:27] <defendguin> oh damn wrong channel
[09:27] <LinuxJones> davmor2, jsut open Nautilus and right click the .iso file. If it is in .bin format just re-name it to .iso, but it should give you the option to burn to a cd.
[09:27] <ogra> wood1: rhythmbox...
[09:28] <ogra> defendguin: *grin*
[09:28] <davmor2> ta
[09:28] <wood1> I can't get rhythmbox to play my MP3s
[09:28] <ficusplanet> I have a canon powershot a75 and it isn't detected when I plug it in.  If I go to gthumb and manually choose to import photos it works fine.  What is the problem?
[09:28] <ogra> defendguin: we are debian based here, hehe
[09:28] <defendguin> ogra: yeah i know i used ubuntu too
[09:29] <ogra> wood1: the mad plugin is missing i guess: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:30] <ogra> ficusplanet: probably gthumb.... look if gnome-volume-manager works (Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable Media) and if gthumb is in the last entry
[09:30] <cornflake> how do i compile a kernel and boot it from grub?
[09:30] <CraHan> wow
[09:31] <ficusplanet> ogra, Yeah, the last entry is gthumb --import-photos.  It shows up in HAL as "Canon Digital Camera."
[09:31] <LinuxJones> cornflake, why do you want to compile a kerel ?
[09:31] <CraHan> lots of updates in hoary today
[09:31] <LinuxJones> err kernel
[09:31] <CraHan> updated like, an hour or so ago
[09:31] <CraHan> already 62 new packages to be upgraded
[09:31] <emil> Graphical MPlayer was better than i tought
[09:31] <ogra> ficusplanet: you can mount the camera regulary ?
[09:31] <CraHan> I so love the speed this is going
[09:32] <ogra> wasabi: tried different media ?
[09:32] <wasabi> ogra: no. don't care that much.
[09:33] <ficusplanet> ogra, No.   But running gthumb --import-photos manaully works.
[09:33] <m00se> hi, is anyone here using xfs filesystem on hoary?
[09:33] <ogra> m00se: on warty....
[09:33] <|QuaD|> anyone here use gdesklets?
[09:35] <m00se> ogra: with ubuntu default kernel?
[09:36] <clee> dammit
[09:36] <clee> evolution is NOT fixed
[09:36] <clee> sending mail still doesn't work
[09:36] <ogra> m00se: yep, but the warty one
[09:36] <clee> argh
[09:36] <CraHan> why would there have to even be a discussion about grub or lilo?
[09:36] <wasabi> klee'd
[09:36] <m00se> ogra: don't you get mysterious fs errors like unable ro umount / on reboot/shutdown?
[09:37] <ogra> CraHan: why would there have to ba _another_ discussion about sudo ;)
[09:37] <ogra> be
[09:37] <davmor2> wood1 download all the plugins using apt
[09:37] <CraHan> ogra: I should start one about nautilus's new way of browsing files
[09:37] <ogra> m00se: i must admit i dont do this very often....
[09:37] <CraHan> that spatial thing :)
[09:37] <ogra> m00se: but no errors
[09:37] <ogra> CraHan: grrr
[09:37] <ogra> :)
[09:37] <CraHan> heh
[09:38] <CraHan> I switched from kde to gnome at work
[09:38] <m00se> ogra: ok, thanks, maybe it's something in hoary then
[09:38] <CraHan> can't say I have any regrets so far
[09:38] <ogra> CraHan: k3b functionallity is the only one i see....
[09:38] <CraHan> no cd writer there
[09:39] <Kamion> m00se: I think those are udev bugs
[09:39] <CraHan> so that's ok
[09:39] <Kamion> m00se: see bugzilla, there are bugs imported from Debian about this
[09:39] <clee> damn
[09:40] <Timerever> i've forgot to ask back thne but, when will the new version of ubuntu be out?
[09:40] <clee> anybody else notice that Thunderbird crashes and burns on Hoary/AMD64?
[09:40] <ogra> april
[09:40] <Timerever> o.O
[09:40] <tvon|x31> Timerever: 6 month release cycle
[09:40] <tvon|x31> er
[09:40] <Timerever> that's a long time
[09:40] <tvon|x31> something like that
[09:40] <m00se> Kamion: thx, one of my problems is #4237
[09:40] <wasabi> tvoff.
[09:40] <Kamion> 6 months is very short compared to most
[09:41] <clee> ok, make that 7000+ calls deep
[09:41] <ogra> WHAT ? <Timerever> that's a long time
[09:41] <Timerever> oh so this version is out only for 1/2 month?
[09:41] <ogra> 8O
[09:41] <Kamion> any less would seriously compromise our ability to get anything done
[09:41] <m00se> Kaloz: but i had filesystem errors before udev upgrade :(
[09:41] <Kamion> Timerever: warty released mid-October; hoary will release mid-April
[09:41] <wasabi> 6 months is great.
[09:41] <wasabi> just means you gotta think up more silly names faster though
[09:41] <tvon|x31> 6 months is shorter than any other distro
[09:41] <Timerever> ogra i thought it was released back in june or something
[09:42] <ogra> Timerever: nope :)
[09:42] <Timerever> ok, then april is a nice time then
[09:42] <rhizo> fedora core release cycle is 6 months iirc
[09:42] <pridkett> tvon|x31: 6 months is about average.  Fedora is about 6 months.  Mandrake tries to do that.  Ditto with Gentoo.  OpenBSD has been doing 6 months for years now.
[09:42] <ogra> Timerever: but nobody i know releases a distro this way (they are full releases, no point releases)
[09:43] <tvon|x31> pridkett: ah
[09:43] <ogra> pridkett: oh
[09:43] <clee> Timerever: the official warty release was in October
[09:43] <Timerever> about the root thing, why not a root user?
[09:43] <clee> Timerever: There have been betas since long before then
[09:43] <pridkett> the "enterprise" distributions are much slower, such as RHEL, SEL, Solaris, etc
[09:43] <tvon|x31> you dont need a root user
[09:43] <wasabi> Timerever: name a reason why we should have a root user?
[09:43] <clee> #15551 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
[09:43] <clee> Cannot access memory at address 0x150e000
[09:43] <clee> fuck thunderbird
[09:43] <Timerever> to manage stuff?
[09:43] <ogra> Timerever: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:44] <wasabi> Timerever: sudo.
[09:44] <|QuaD|> so i take it no one uses gdesklets?
[09:44] <rhizo> clee: evolution ;)
[09:44] <clee> rhizo: if it could send my email, then that'd be nice
[09:44] <clee> rhizo: having working mail viewing is not that impressive if I can't send anything.
[09:44] <rhizo> clee: evolution can't send your mail ?!
[09:45] <clee> rhizo: SMTP is broken for me in Hoary
[09:45] <clee> rhizo: on AMD64, not sure if that makes any difference.
[09:46] <rhizo> clee: i haven't tried ubuntu yet, just waiting for my free cd shipment - decided to give it a shot on Inspiron8100 laptop
[09:46] <marioc> hello, does anyone knows how to show the icons by the first time in the desktop?
[09:48] <Timerever> right....
[09:48] <Timerever> so sudo is a command to do what?
[09:49] <Timerever> i know su command (i use it a lot)
[09:49] <ogra> Timerever: read the url ?
[09:49] <Timerever> yep
[09:49] <Timerever> but it doesn't say "sudo is a command that do xxxyyy"
[09:50] <Timerever> and i'm not in a linux box now so i can't man sudo
[09:50] <Treenaks> Timerever: type 'apropos sudo' :)
[09:50] <ogra> Timerever: hmm...you use it in front of a command that shall get executed with admin rights
[09:50] <Treenaks> sudo (8)             - execute a command as another user
[09:50] <Treenaks> Timerever: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo as well
[09:50] <EfaistOs> hi
[09:51] <EfaistOs> why galeon doesnt work anymor in hoary  ?
[09:51] <dieman> gnome 2.2 -> gnome 2.8 issues are suck-o
[09:51] <ogra> marioc: what do you mean ?
[09:51] <Timerever> so... if i do -> rm -rf /usr sudo
[09:51] <|QuaD|> i need help with gdesklets.... anyone use it
[09:51] <ogra> dieman: 2.2 -> 2.8 :o
[09:51] <Timerever> the /usr dir is deleted?
[09:52] <ogra> Timerever: the other way around....sudo in front
[09:52] <ogra> Timerever: dont try it ;)
[09:52] <Timerever> X_X
[09:52] <Timerever> so -> sudo rm -rf /usr
[09:52] <farrioth|LAG> Timerever: yes
[09:52] <Timerever> where is the password then?
[09:53] <ogra> Timerever: would kill /usr
[09:53] <ogra> Timerever: _yours_
[09:53] <farrioth|LAG> Timerever: It'll ask you for a password.
[09:53] <Timerever> oh you mean zeca3
[09:53] <Timerever> >_<
[09:53] <ogra> hehe
[09:54] <ogra> Matt|: got it since 30 min here.....
[09:54] <Matt|> ?
[09:55] <ogra> Matt|: december :)
[09:55] <Matt|> ogra, its not a race
[09:55] <ogra> hehe
[09:56] <Matt|> that is much uglier than before :(
[09:56] <Timerever> ah... and what password should i input?
[09:56] <Matt|> but december is hot tho
[09:56] <ogra> in fact i was lazy on upgrades last time.....got the whole X and a new kernel as well
[09:56] <ogra> Timerever: _yours_
[09:56] <Timerever> the whole thing i'm missing here is: who will be the "men in charge"
[09:57] <ogra> Timerever: the first user created
[09:57] <RuffianSoldier> Why when I open the command prompt in XP and type apt-get install gnome it says: 'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.   ??
[09:57] <RuffianSoldier> :-D
[09:57] <Treenaks> Timerever: the people in /etc/sudoers
[09:57] <Matt|> RuffianSoldier, its a mystery
[09:57] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can use 'visudo' to edit the list of users on the system with 'sudo access'
[09:57] <Timerever> AH! so i create a user with sudo access
[09:58] <Timerever> ain't it the same as root?
[09:58] <EfaistOs> does someone use galeon ?
[09:58] <ogra> Timerever: yep, the first user has it by default
[09:58] <Hikaru79> What media player do you folks reccomend? xine has crashed on me one too many times >_>
[09:58] <farrioth> Hikaru79: Tried mplayer?
[09:58] <ogra> Hikaru79: i use totem-xine here
[09:58] <Hikaru79> ogra, tried it... when I first got Ubuntu
[09:58] <Treenaks> Timerever: you can do the same with it as "normal" root access, but you don't have a "root password", but you have to use the normal user's password
[09:58] <Hikaru79> farrioth, nope. Is it reccomended? :)
[09:59] <farrioth> Hikaru79: I find it good.
[10:00] <Hikaru79> LMAO. ASCII filter?
[10:00] <ogra> heh
[10:01] <Timerever> but that gives all users the possibility to rm -rf /usr
[10:01] <Kamion> Timerever: no, it doesn't
[10:01] <ogra> Timerever: nope
[10:01] <Matt|> Timerever, only the admin user
[10:01] <Matt|> the first user
[10:01] <Matt|> or people you give sudo powa too
[10:01] <Matt|> *to
[10:01] <Treenaks> Timerever: no, only the users in /etc/sudoers (by default the first user, the one created during installation)
[10:02] <EfaistOs> does the GNOME 2.9 pkgs are good in hoary ?
[10:02] <Timerever> right, can i name that first user root so i don't get confused :-D
[10:02] <Kamion> Timerever: no
[10:03] <Timerever> that user name is blocked?
[10:03] <Matt|> Timerever, you can edit the people who can do sudo, and activate the root account if you like
[10:03] <Matt|> Timerever, check the wiki
[10:03] <Sensebend> if you ever need a root shell
[10:03] <Hikaru79> Which of the 'mplayer' packages in Synaptic are you supposed to install? :| They all sound right...
[10:03] <Sensebend> just type sudo -s
[10:03] <Sensebend> in your terminal
[10:03] <farrioth> Timerever: root is used by root. When you create an account, you are adding another user. root is already there.
[10:03] <Kamion> Timerever: the assumption that root has uid 0 is widespread throughout the system.
[10:04] <Matt|> Hikaru79, 586
[10:04] <ogra> Hikaru79: the one for your arch ;)
[10:04] <Matt|> Hikaru79, 686 just points to 586
[10:04] <Hikaru79> Ooh, I se
[10:04] <Hikaru79> *see
[10:04] <Hikaru79> 686 = i686 chip, I get it ^ ^;;
[10:04] <Matt|> *grins*
[10:06] <Timerever> so i create a user named Zeca with passwd zeca3, this user will do the root work is it?
[10:06] <Hikaru79> Hmm, getting error when running...
[10:06] <Hikaru79> Reading /home/hikaru79/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open '/home/hikaru79/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
[10:06] <Matt|> Timerever, don't follow you
[10:06] <Hikaru79> *should* there be a codecs.conf?
[10:06] <farrioth> Timerever: Thats also a very bad password.
[10:06] <ogra> Hikaru79: not necessarily
[10:06] <Matt|> yeah mplayer needs a bit of tweaking in the settings i think
[10:07] <Hikaru79> But, it's not running without it (at least, I *think* that's the reason it's not running*
[10:07] <Hikaru79> Anything else I might be missing?
[10:08] <farrioth> Hikaru79: Does it give you any errors?
[10:08] <Timerever> Matt|: if at install time the first user i create is "Zeca" (having "zeca3" as password) will this user be like the normal root user?
[10:08] <ogra> Hikaru79: if the file is not there it reads /etc/mplayer.conf .....
[10:08] <Hikaru79> Not really, this is the closest thing I have to an error from all the output
[10:08] <Hikaru79> The codecs.conf thing
[10:08] <farrioth> Timerever: No.
[10:08] <Hikaru79> Rest looks fine
[10:08] <Timerever> why?
[10:09] <Hikaru79> Should I put the whoel output on a pasteboard>?
[10:09] <Matt|> Timerever, nope. How it works is your first user by default is allowed to use the sudo command. you can change who you wish to permit to use that command
[10:09] <ogra> Timerever: Zeca ist root
[10:09] <ogra> isnt
[10:09] <Matt|> Timerever, the sudo command gives you root permissions
[10:09] <ftwig> thinking of running a mixed system but have warty and warty-security in my sources.list - will it work in the normal way?
[10:10] <ogra> ftwig: dont mix
[10:11] <ftwig> ogra:I am trying to use ardour/jack and the version in univers is aancient
[10:12] <ftwig> ogra:what do you sugest - compile/run from tarball
[10:12] <ogra> ftwig: maybe, but you shouldnt mix.....
[10:12] <ogra> ftwig: compile from the hoary package probably?
[10:13] <ftwig> ogra:The howto for ardour is going to be very nasty then  ;(
[10:13] <ogra> ftwig ??
[10:14] <bombrill> hi all, I have a wired thing. I can hear sounds from gaim, and apps, but none from cd or mp3 !? any ideas ?
[10:15] <ogra> bombrill: which mp3 player ?
[10:15] <bombrill> I tried xmms, but when I put a cd, it doesn't work either
[10:15] <Hikaru79> Strange... on mplayer, if I fullscreen it with -fs, it just keeps the video the same size and fills everything else black -- how do I actually display the image full-screen?
[10:15] <ogra> bombrill: use the esd output plugin in xmms
[10:16] <bombrill> ok I'll try this
[10:16] <farrioth> Hikaru79: I think you may need to specify res. Check the man page.
[10:17] <ftwig> ogra:how how stable is horty
[10:17] <ftwig> ogra:can I run a warty/horty mixed system?
[10:17] <Timerever> RIGHT!!!
[10:17] <ogra> ftwig: breaks form time to time... i dont use it daily....rather ask ppl like Matt| for that
[10:17] <Timerever> i've read this page and now i understand it
[10:18] <ogra> ftwig: you shouldnt do that....
[10:18] <Timerever> a regular user is included in the sudo file
[10:18] <ftwig> ogra:I only have one box - looks like compiling from source is the only option then
[10:18] <Timerever> it says what that user can do
[10:18] <ogra> ftwig: the hoary packages depend on other packages which depend on others and so on.... if one dependency changes in the lowest level your system could break badly
[10:19] <Timerever> and when you need to do root stuff, you input your passwd
[10:19] <Cloudchaser> hello..
[10:19] <ogra> ftwig: compiling the hoary package on warty (if it works) is the best option here
[10:19] <ftwig> ogra:not being able to run a mixed system is a real drawback - used to do it all the time with main debian distros and it worked OK
[10:19] <Timerever> cause you have been already certified as a user that can do the stuff
[10:19] <Timerever> ;)
[10:19] <ogra> ftwig: you can switch completely to hoary, if you can live with the breakage
[10:20] <ftwig> ogra:if i.me going to compile would rather use current version
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> is there a way in ubuntu to be able to see hidden files in things like the file viewer and the "Create launcher"?
[10:20] <ogra> ftwig: i guess this will be more stable on the long run...but has certainly its annoyances
[10:20] <Cloudchaser> oh nm
[10:21] <Cloudchaser> i figured it out ;)
[10:21] <ogra> ftwig: so do it from source....
[10:21] <Timerever> "not being able to run a mixed system is a real drawback" ??
[10:21] <Timerever> what does it mean?
[10:21] <ftwig> ogre: I think if I can get current version working it will be worth it.
[10:21] <twisted_steel> anyone know which package has the socket library?
[10:21] <Timerever> does it mean i can't use packages that belong to the next ubuntu version
[10:22] <ftwig> aclocal: command not found when doing a autogen.sh - any ideas?
[10:22] <|QuaD|> hey, i am upgrading to hoary from warty, am i best off restarting after?
[10:22] <Timerever> ogra: care to explain it to me, please?
[10:22] <farrioth> ftwig: Is aclocal there?
[10:22] <ogra> twisted_steel: for perl ?
[10:23] <twisted_steel> ogra: for C
[10:23] <ftwig> ogre:how do I get sourcces - its new to me - and how do I specify horty sources on warty - this sounds difficult
[10:23] <ftwig> ogre:dont think so but couldent work out what the package is called
[10:23] <ftwig> ogra:dont think so but couldent work out what the package is called
[10:24] <xukun> moin
[10:26] <MobyTurbo> moin
[10:26] <ogra> twisted_steel: there is a libdmsocket-0.32.5-0-dev could it be this one ?
[10:26] <twisted_steel> I shall try :)
[10:26] <ftwig> farriouth:dont think so but couldent work out what the package is called
[10:26] <Timerever> well i'll be going now
[10:26] <Timerever> c'ya!
[10:26] <Benotti> hi
[10:26] <Benotti> if Im a newbie with linux, is this the right place?:)
[10:26] <|QuaD|> yup :)
[10:26] <JT|work> Benotti: check out #justlinux also :)
[10:26] <farrioth> Benotti: Yes, people here can help.
[10:27] <twisted_steel> ogra: nope, I need libsock
[10:27] <twisted_steel> meh
[10:28] <Benotti> im running ubuntu 64 bit and I used the starterguide to install my nvidia drivers and much more and it worked without problems:) Now I want to update firefox, thunderbird, gaim and openoffice, but Im not sure how:S
[10:28] <Benotti> Ive tried gaim 1.0.3 using first: ./configure, then make and then sudo make install. Worked, but now I cant login on msn because I havent compiled with ssl or something:S
[10:28] <Knatten> Short question: How do I add applications to the Applications-menu (Ubuntu/Gnome of course)? I installed the opera .deb, and it does not show up. Do I really need to edit ".desktop"-files by hand?
[10:28] <|QuaD|> anyone want to talk to me about the upgrade to hoary from warty?
[10:29] <|QuaD|> Benotti: use apt-get
[10:29] <|QuaD|> its easier
[10:29] <|QuaD|> are you using ubuntu?
[10:29] <|QuaD|> yes you are
[10:29] <topyli> heh
[10:29] <Knatten> who? me?
[10:29] <|QuaD|> just type "sudo apt-get install gaim" and it will install the latest one
[10:29] <siretart> huh? http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main libmagick6 5:6.0.2.5-1ubuntu1.2 404 Not found?
[10:29] <siretart> whats going on there?
[10:30] <|QuaD|> Knatten: use aptget
[10:30] <Benotti> ok
[10:30] <|QuaD|> don't install debs
[10:30] <Knatten> didn't know opera was in apt
[10:30] <ftwig> checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp
[10:30] <ftwig> configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[10:30] <ftwig> S
[10:30] <ftwig> nay ideas?
[10:30] <|QuaD|> Benotti: then i would do a "sudo apt-get update"
[10:30] <|QuaD|> then "sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:30] <Benotti> but apt get doesnt have the latest firefox, thunderbird, openoffice and gaim?:(
[10:31] <ogra> Benotti: only the versions for warty...the stable versions
[10:31] <|QuaD|> are you using warty or hoary?
[10:31] <Benotti> warty
[10:31] <|QuaD|> thats why
[10:31] <|QuaD|> i would not reccomend hoary
[10:31] <|QuaD|> if you are a beginner
[10:31] <topyli> Benotti: new versions of software don't get into the stable relase of ubuntu (or any distro for that matter)
[10:31] <siretart> Benotti: do you really have to use the latest firefox version instead of a well tested and stable one?
[10:31] <Benotti> im new to linux, I wont try these dev builds just yet;)
[10:31] <twisted_steel> libsocket anyone?  I can't find the package that I need to compile my C program
[10:32] <jeddy3> does anyone got tv-out working with xfree or xorg trident driver?
[10:32] <Benotti> Id rather have firefox 1.0 yes, it has some improvement I really want. thunderbird, gaim and openoffice I dont know, but I like running latest (official release) versions:)
[10:32] <siretart> Benotti: the versions in warty are perhaps not the latest, but they are very well suported and maintained
[10:32] <ogra> twisted_steel: you mean the package that provides libsock.h i guess....there seems to be none....
[10:33] <|QuaD|> Benotti: warty isn't bleeding edge but it most likely won't break
[10:33] <topyli> Benotti: i upgraded firefox by getting the sources from hoary (the development branch) and building a package on my machine. that's pretty safe
[10:33] <ogra> twisted_steel: you can install apt-file and do reverse searches in the packages with it
[10:33] <zombics> how can i install GLIB?(i am trying to make a program a friend of mine made)
[10:33] <siretart> Benotti: if you really insist on the latest version (which nobody really recommends) you could have a mixed warty / hoary setup with selecting only the packages of hoary you really need
[10:33] <Benotti> I had tried that also some days ago, together with gaim and thunderbird. It worked, but when I rebooted my x was screwed
[10:33] <ogra> twisted_steel: i.e. find files you search in packages..... neither libsock.h or libsocket.h can be found....
[10:34] <xukun> anyone know a good howto installing smail, I need more info than man smail?
[10:34] <StarScream> hey guys having trouble wiht hoary and speedtouch usb...error is 3 lines that too much to paste?
[10:34] <ogra> zombics: is it only glib ?
[10:34] <Benotti> I guess only firefox 1.0 will be enough then if its really recommened to stick with wat ubuntu offers
[10:34] <xukun> I would say configuration
[10:34] <|QuaD|> xukun: whats smail?
[10:34] <xukun> is a mta
[10:34] <siretart> Benotti: but if anything breaks, you are almost on your own: you have to identify what broke, report that to the developers who can hopefully use your information to determine what broke and fix that.
[10:34] <|QuaD|> Benotti: i have been using the firefox thats in warty... its fine
[10:34] <zombics> ogra, its tells me :The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
[10:35] <topyli> Benotti: two alternatives: build firefox 1.0 from hoary sources, or run the binary from mozilla.org
[10:35] <ogra> siretart: and i guess if you mix your systems you cant get support anymore....
[10:35] <siretart> ogra: that what i mean with "being on its own"..
[10:36] <Benotti> first another question: Ive now got gaim 1.0.3 installed but msn doesnt work anymore. If I use apt-get to uninstall it and then to install it again, will I then have version 1.0.0 back with msn support?
[10:36] <siretart> topyli: nope, he can also try the firefox debian packages from hoary or even sarge. that would be much easier..
[10:36] <ogra> zombics: will there be more libs you need ? so i would recommend installing gnome-core-devel else just libglib2.0-dev
[10:36] <|QuaD|> Benotti: how did you install 1.03?
[10:36] <Benotti> ./configure
[10:36] <Benotti> make
[10:36] <Benotti> sudo make install
[10:36] <ogra> siretart: :)
[10:36] <ogra> argh
[10:36] <topyli> siretart: that might pull in various libraries as dependencies. it's better to backport
[10:36] <siretart> Benotti: first try "sudo make uninstall" from the directory where you did "make install"
[10:36] <lil_anthony> anyone know if there is a mono package for debian for 1.0.4? i can't seem to get mono-mint to install for some reason
[10:37] <|QuaD|> Benotti: nope
[10:37] <siretart> topyli: are the differences that big?
[10:37] <bombrill> ogra: I'm getting fedup now :) it doesn't work with any other player, I give up... I'll try tomorow
[10:37] <Benotti> so basically where where I download and extracted gaim 1.0.3?
[10:37] <Knatten> "Package opera-static is not available, but is referred to by another package." That means opera-static is not available in apt, and I need to install with dpkg, right?
[10:37] <topyli> siretart: i don't know in this case. i always backport
[10:38] <StarScream> getting the following errors when using pppd with hoary
[10:38] <ogra> bombrill: weird.... you are on warty ?
[10:38] <StarScream> PPPoATM setdevname - remove unwanted options
[10:38] <StarScream> PPPoATM setdevname_pppoatm - SUCCESS:0.38
[10:38] <StarScream> connect(0.38): Resource temporarily unavailable
[10:38] <siretart> Benotti: whats wrong with version 1.0.0 from warty?
[10:38] <ogra> StarScream: PPPoATM ?
[10:38] <StarScream> ogra yeh UK
[10:38] <bombrill> ogra: yep...
[10:38] <ogra> StarScream: oh
[10:39] <topyli> siretart: good question. gaim works fine here with msn, yahoo, aim, and irc :)
[10:39] <siretart> topyli: :)
[10:39] <StarScream> ogra...not really sure whats going on. i think hoary is loading more modules than warty
[10:39] <Benotti> nothing, It just feels nice running the latest version:) Although now Im hearing it may be better to just stick with wat ubuntu offers so Ill do that. Altough I do want to make an exception for firefox, 1.0 has some nice improvements over 9.3
[10:39] <Benotti> 0.9.3
[10:40] <ogra> bombrill: did you try rhythmbox ? (the music player from the menu)
[10:40] <siretart> Benotti: I dont think its nice to run untested software with yet unknown bugs.
[10:40] <zombics> ogra, http://rafb.net/paste/results/N55HvE25.html
[10:40] <topyli> Benotti: i agree. but then i'll recommend building the package from debian or hoary sources. it's dead easy
[10:40] <siretart> delete that yet in my last sentence..
[10:40] <bombrill> ogra: yes :) and I can't hear a single sound... but when I receive a msg on gaim for instance, then, I do have a sound ... wierd
[10:40] <Benotti> Ive just done sudo make uninstall gaim, what should I do now? run apt-get again?
[10:40] <ftwig> ogra:just compiled jack from the CVS - now going to do ardour
[10:41] <siretart> Benotti: try `sudo apt-get install gaim`
[10:41] <topyli> Benotti: yes. apt-get install gaim
[10:41] <ogra> zombics: is universe enabled ?
[10:41] <Benotti> it says I run the newest version. Should I first quit gaim?:P
[10:41] <zombics> ogra, yea
[10:42] <ogra> zombics: sudo apt-get update ?
[10:42] <zombics> ogra, did it
[10:42] <Benotti> ill try using xchat
[10:42] <topyli> Benotti: you didn't uninstall the package (with apt) before you built the new gaim from source?
[10:42] <siretart> Benotti: i suspect that you have overwritten some file of the gaim package. perhaps you want to do a "apt-get install --reinstall gaim" first..
[10:42] <bombrill> ogra: thx anyway, I give up.. bye!
[10:42] <ogra> zombics: strange.....are you able to install at all ?
[10:42] <benoit__> hi
[10:42] <benoit__> Im benotti, running from xchat now
[10:43] <siretart> benoit__: i suspect that you have overwritten some file of the gaim package. perhaps you want to do a "apt-get install --reinstall gaim" first..
[10:43] <zombics> ogra, antill yestarday i chold let me try now....
[10:43] <benoit__> I hadnt uninstalled gaim 1.0.0
[10:44] <zombics> ogra, yea i can install....
[10:44] <ogra> zombics: you are on warty ?
[10:44] <Varg_> is it possible to upgrade Debian SID to Ubuntu hoary? In a painless manner?
[10:44] <zombics> ogra, yea
[10:45] <topyli> Varg_: if you're a sportsman :)
[10:45] <benoit__> "apt-get install --reinstall gaim"       hes installing:)
[10:45] <ogra> zombics: and main is in your sources list too ? (and you have only warty in your sources)
[10:45] <benoit__> and working, thanks:)
[10:45] <siretart> Varg_: nope. you need to know apt-pinning and apt-show-versions quite well :(
[10:46] <siretart> benoit__: :)
[10:46] <Varg_> topyli, "sportsman" meaning "someone who knows a bit about tweaking Debian" or as in "stark raving mad"?
[10:46] <siretart> benoit__: :) nice to hear
[10:46] <topyli> Varg_: i think unstable and hoary are pretty much leveled now. so you'll end up with a very nasty system
[10:46] <zombics> ogra, dint ruch the source sexsept anbeling the univese
[10:46] <Varg_> siretart, ok, I guess that answers my question :/
[10:47] <Benotti> gaim looks nicer then xchat:D
[10:47] <topyli> hehe
[10:47] <ogra> zombics: it looks as if you dont have the main repository in your list anymore
[10:47] <|QuaD|> gaim looks nicer then xchat?
[10:47] <granlatigo> hi
[10:47] <siretart> Benotti: returning to your firefox "issue": In fact, firefox 1.0 was in warty, but it has been downgraded because of serious problems with that newer version
[10:47] <Benotti> I dont know how the community of ubuntu/linux feels about using newer software then officialy supported, but should I really not update firefox to 1.0?
[10:48] <topyli> Benotti: but gaim doesn't hide server messages: "X entered the room". "Y left the room". i don't need that :)
[10:48] <Varg_> topyli, any plans to enable that possibility at some point in the future? I'd love to try ubuntu but I don't have the nerve to steamroll over my whole system :)
[10:48] <siretart> topyli: you can easily configure your irc client to ignore such messages
[10:48] <Benotti> (22:47:44) |QuaD|: gaim looks nicer then xchat?
[10:48] <Benotti> just on first look ;) But I also use gaim for msn so thats a nice mix:)
[10:48] <topyli> Varg_: i don't single-handedly mastermind ubuntu plans, but what i hear, they don't plan for that
[10:49] <farrioth> Benotti: I'm not on Ubuntu, but I've been using 'fox 1.0 since it was out.
[10:49] <|QuaD|> i use gaim for aim/msn xchat for irc
[10:49] <topyli> siretart: yes, real irc clients do that of course. gaim doesn't
[10:49] <Varg_> topyli, shame :)
[10:49] <granlatigo> I have a problem with sound in warthy, but only with normal users, root works ok...
[10:49] <|QuaD|> gaim for irc isn't good
[10:49] <Benotti> I dont use irc often though
[10:49] <|QuaD|> i don't eventhing the gaim developers use gaim irc
[10:49] <siretart> topyli: ok. gaim is not an irc client then ;)
[10:50] <ogra> granlatigo: type in a terminal: groups
[10:50] <ftwig> anyone know what the gtk+ development package is?
[10:50] <topyli> i'm just making do with an all-round solution because i have friends on all sorts of IM bullshit :)
[10:50] <ogra> granlatigo: see if audio is in the list
[10:50] <ogra> granlatigo: as a normal user
[10:50] <twisted_steel> ogra: I hate to do this to you, but can you do a quick search for 'socket.h'
[10:50] <siretart> topyli: im using irssi and centericq in the same screen session. this suits me..
[10:50] <granlatigo> ok, there i go
[10:51] <Benotti> Ive also installed mplayer with all the codes but still some files dont play. Is this because I use 64 bit or can it be solved someway?
[10:51] <farrioth> Benotti: You need to use 32bit codecs. I'm not sure of the details of this.
[10:51] <topyli> siretart: i experimented with bumblebee for a while. the concept is nice (channel all IM shite to your irc client) but it didn't work well enough :(
[10:51] <ogra> twisted_steel: heh, linux-kernel-headers: usr/include/linux/socket.h
[10:51] <Benotti> I see now its .wmv Is there any possibilty of getting those to work on 64 bit?
[10:52] <siretart> topyli: i heared about that, some friends of mine are actually using that.
[10:52] <EfaistOs> i cant use galeon because libnautilus.so.2 is not present ... how to fix this  little problem
[10:52] <twisted_steel> ogra: blast
[10:52] <farrioth> Benotti: No idea what a wmv is, so probably not.
[10:52] <twisted_steel> ogra: thanks anyway :)
[10:52] <topyli> siretart: it works, but gaim is quicker to react to all them proprietary protocol "enhancements"
[10:52] <siretart> Benotti: nope. MS wont release that format as opensource, and no one is interessted in reeimplementing it
[10:53] <Benotti> windows media video
[10:53] <|QuaD|> centericq? whats that
[10:53] <ogra> twisted_steel: there is a lot more...but all in subdirs below include/ in which else should it be ?
[10:53] <Benotti> is there a linux program I could use to convert it to another format or can this only be done in windows?
[10:53] <siretart> Benotti: the reason it works on x86 is that it can be "emulated", but the way it is emulated only works on the same hardware architecture
[10:53] <farrioth> |QuaD|: A console icq etc client. Also does MSN, AIM...
[10:53] <topyli> |QuaD|: a console multi protocol IM client
[10:54] <|QuaD|> is centericq better then naim?
[10:54] <siretart> topyli: ah. ic. i'll stay with centericq then ;)
[10:54] <EfaistOs> does someone use motorola v600 under linux ?
[10:54] <siretart> |QuaD|: i dont know naim. centericq is text mode only ;)
[10:54] <topyli> siretart: if you want console, you have it made :)
[10:54] <siretart> :)
[10:54] <twisted_steel> ogra: it should go in /usr/include
[10:54] <|QuaD|> siretart: naim is also, i like naim :)
[10:54] <|QuaD|> already brb restart time
[10:54] <twisted_steel> ogra: and needs the library as well :/
[10:55] <granlatigo> ogra: nope, each user only has it`s own group
[10:55] <ogra> twisted_steel: apt-file search usr/include/socket.h returns nothing
[10:56] <twisted_steel> ogra: hmm, actually the header seems to be there, perhaps the library has some other name
[10:56] <ogra> granlatigo: have you done it as i said ?
[10:56] <granlatigo> groups..
[10:56] <ogra> granlatigo: as the user
[10:56] <mjr> do you mean /usr/include/sys/socket.h perchance?
[10:57] <granlatigo> ogra, yep
[10:57] <mjr> (libc6-dev)
[10:57] <ogra> lol
[10:57] <twisted_steel> mjr: yes, you know perchance what the library is for linking?
[10:57] <kensai> trashapplets is broken on hoary
[10:57] <ogra> granlatigo: and it didnt return a long list of groupnames ?
[10:58] <mjr> twisted_steel, I do believe it should be libc :)
[10:58] <Benotti> it has taken my quite some time deciding I wanted to use linux and what distro. Trying them all and having many, many problems on the way, but I always said to myself that I wasnt gonna quit. Worst problem I got was that my hd got erased yesterday (luckily I had a backup of most important stuff). But now that Im actually using ubuntu and having it setup nicely Im really happy I didnt quit:)
[10:58] <ogra> mjr: sure
[10:58] <siretart> Benotti: :)
[10:58] <wasabi> Benotti: welcome to the fold
[10:58] <Snowden> hey guys
[10:58] <granlatigo> ogra, i logged in as a normal user, typed groups and it shows only 1 group with the same name
[10:58] <Benotti> and Im also happy Im learning more about linux all the time:)
[10:59] <ogra> granlatigo: do it as the first user you created while  installing
[10:59] <Benotti> now I sometimes actually understand what Im doing rather then just typing something over literally:)
[10:59] <topyli> grr. three security updates today. what's this world coming to? :)
[10:59] <granlatigo> ogra: i deleted it...
[10:59] <|QuaD|> hey, i just put hoary on and the x server is starting, but its not... weird
[10:59] <ogra> granlatigo: thats bad
[10:59] <granlatigo> ogra: but with the 1st user i had not the problem
[10:59] <ogra> granlatigo: how do you do your sudo tasks now ?
[11:00] <|QuaD|> the xserver just gives me a black screen
[11:00] <granlatigo> I have a pass for root
[11:00] <ogra> granlatigo:  :/
[11:00] <Benotti> But tomorrow Im gonna have to setup windows xp and install my games etc. And convert my .wmv videos;)
[11:00] <granlatigo> I know..   I know..
[11:00] <|QuaD|> anyone here running hoary?
[11:00] <granlatigo> it`s bad
[11:01] <ogra> granlatigo: then do as root ... hrm ... adduser $USER audio .... where $USER is the user you want to allow the music
[11:01] <kensai> |QuaD|, what happens?
[11:01] <granlatigo> let`s see..
[11:01] <twisted_steel> mjr: thanks, this crazy roommate of mine kept telling me that he needed to link to some socket library - it was of course unnecessary :)
[11:02] <ogra> granlatigo:  you will have to do this for a lot more things in the system i guess (with other groups for other tasks)
[11:02] <kensai> |QuaD|, what seems to be the problem?
[11:02] <|QuaD|> kensai: once i got an ncurses screen saying there is already an xserver running, do you want to start another one
[11:02] <mjr> twisted_steel, he might have a sunos background then ;)
[11:02] <|QuaD|> i tried clicking no
[11:02] <|QuaD|> then it happened again
[11:02] <|QuaD|> i clicked yes
[11:02] <|QuaD|> and it gave me a .1 (had .0 before)
[11:02] <|QuaD|> then i kept getting those screens
[11:02] <|QuaD|> looking through xfree logs now, not seeing anything
[11:03] <kensai> |QuaD|, why xfree logs if you have xorg?
[11:03] <granlatigo> ogra, it`s tipical that the mixer returns to lower position when i try get more volume ?
[11:03] <|QuaD|> kensai: i don't see xorg logs
[11:03] <kensai> |QuaD|, It happened to me one time but it was just a matter of reboot and everything worked fine
[11:04] <ogra> granlatigo: nope....
[11:04] <|QuaD|> should i try a reboot?
[11:04] <topyli> granlatigo: the one time i needed to be root was when i installed webmin and logged into it for the first time :)
[11:04] <kensai> |QuaD|, lets see what happens
[11:04] <|QuaD|> ok
[11:04] <|QuaD|> brb
[11:05] <ogra> topyli: he deleted his first user ....
[11:05] <topyli> ogra: ahh, nice :) sorry, i didn't follow
[11:05] <granlatigo> lol.. and after deleting it I created another with the same name & pass...
[11:05] <ogra> topyli: hmm nice ?
[11:06] <ogra> granlatigo: this one is missing all the orivileges now....
[11:06] <ogra> privileges
[11:06] <topyli> ogra: that's just joking
[11:06] <granlatigo> and all was because I deleted the icon tray of amsn...
[11:07] <ogra> topyli: that was just ironic ;)
[11:07] <|QuaD|> kensai: nope... same problem
[11:07] <kensai> |QuaD|, weird it hasn't happened to me then
[11:07] <|QuaD|> what should my X11 config files be called?
[11:08] <kensai> |QuaD|, are you looking for xorg.conf?
[11:08] <ogra> |QuaD|: look in /etc/X11
[11:08] <|QuaD|> i don't have an xorg.conf
[11:08] <|QuaD|> it didn't switch it over
[11:08] <granlatigo> ogra, I have sound now...
[11:08] <kensai> |QuaD|, you didn't switch to xorg and you are in hoary?
[11:09] <ogra> |QuaD|: you are using hoary without ....
[11:09] <topyli> granlatigo: what is the uid of your newly-created user? the first user is uid 1000
[11:09] <|QuaD|> i just did an apt-get update
[11:09] <|QuaD|> and an apt-get upgrade
[11:09] <kensai> |QuaD|, Xorg is the heart of hoary ;)
[11:09] <granlatigo> it`s nice ubuntu, less problems than rc2, debian..
[11:09] <|QuaD|> i figured it would upgrade me automatically
[11:09] <|QuaD|> should i do apt-get install xorg?
[11:10] <granlatigo> i think i have had the same problems... with mdk 9
[11:10] <ogra> granlatigo: my groups list of the first user: adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[11:10] <granlatigo> in numbers...
[11:10] <granlatigo> ogra, lol...
[11:10] <|QuaD|> kensai: should i?
[11:10] <ogra> granlatigo: add your user to these.....
[11:11] <ogra> granlatigo: else you dont have access to devices and certain files
[11:11] <granlatigo> ogra, to equal my new user to the first one..
[11:11] <granlatigo> no?
[11:11] <ogra> granlatigo: yep
[11:11] <granlatigo> ok
[11:12] <granlatigo> dialout and scanner.. not necessary
[11:12] <ogra> granlatigo: all the gui tools use sudo so you probably also want to add the user to the sudoers file
[11:12] <topyli> oh yes
[11:12] <topyli> and then disable root again :)
[11:12] <ogra> granlatigo: with visudo
[11:13] <ogra> topyli: that was my next sentence :)
[11:13] <topyli> hehe
[11:13] <|QuaD|> kensai: don't leave me :)
[11:14] <ogra> |QuaD|: if you switch, do it completely
[11:15] <|QuaD|> so i should apt-get install xserver-xorg
[11:15] <topyli> what is the fuss about xorg? who uses the new features? i just want a stable X, which hoary will probably have :)
[11:15] <granlatigo> ogra, with the fist user, when I tryed to use a gui and asked me root pass, it finally gave me an error, but in the laptop never ocurred
[11:15] <ogra> |QuaD|: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would be best...but i dont know the state of hoary currently
[11:16] <kensai> |QuaD|, dist-upgrade
[11:16] <ogra> granlatigo: did you giver it your user password ?
[11:16] <kensai> |QuaD|, it should solve it
[11:16] <topyli> granlatigo: all ubuntu apps should ask for _your_ passwd
[11:16] <ogra> granlatigo: bacause they all use sudo
[11:16] <|QuaD|> thanks guys :)
[11:16] <topyli> granlatigo: i have some stuff from universe and *gasp* unstable, and then i have to change the menu entries from gksu to gksudo
[11:17] <ogra> granlatigo: so you gain nothing by creating a root user
[11:17] <Benotti> if I want to upgrade firefox to 1.0, should I first uninstall 0.9.3?
[11:18] <topyli> Benotti: depends. will you install a deb package or a binary package from mozilla.org?
[11:18] <Benotti> I have downloaded the package from mozilla.org
[11:18] <Benotti> tar.gz
[11:19] <topyli> Benotti: in principle, you should uninstall. but it may lead to problems. try to unpack the tarball to /opt and run it from there
[11:19] <Zugot> hoary is ok today
[11:20] <Zugot> no major problems for me
[11:20] <ogra> Zugot: so it looks good for |QuaD|
[11:20] <granlatigo> ogra: how does the system know that my actual user its not the same? because in sudoers the name is the same
[11:21] <ogra> granlatigo: your id
[11:21] <topyli> granlatigo: the system doesn't (mostly) care about the name. it's the uid
[11:21] <nogra> I upgraded to Hoary...I have no menus or other items other than background and panel(s)..how do I uninstall and then reinstall gnome?
[11:21] <ogra> granlatigo: type in a terminal: id
[11:21] <Benotti> I have the .tar.gz already untarred. How can I copy it to /opt? I need root acces, but is the only way to do it using the terminal?
[11:21] <ogra> nogra: hehe Zugwrack
[11:22] <granlatigo> but sudoers use the name, not the id
[11:22] <topyli> Benotti: don't bother moving it for now. just run the firefox binary inside it to try it
[11:23] <Benotti> $ sudo ./firefox-installer
[11:23] <Benotti> ./firefox-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:23] <nogra> ogra: So how bout it...commands to uninstall/reinstall gnome?
[11:23] <Benotti> Ive tried using the gui of apt to search for libgtk-x11, but I couldnt find it
[11:23] <Benotti> or is it something else?
[11:23] <topyli> Benotti: oh. they have an installer now :)
[11:24] <Benotti> apparently, I dont know:)
[11:24] <zombics> ogra, i am the one with that you told that i dint have the main any more(in my sources)
[11:24] <zombics> ogra, http://rafb.net/paste/results/hYToGf42.html
[11:24] <will> humm are there any copies of menu.lst for grub saved anywhere?
[11:25] <topyli> Benotti: are you sure you have the right download?
[11:25] <ogra> zombics: uncomment the security lines....hmm, but it doesnt explain why your install didnt work...weird
[11:25] <Benotti> I went to mozilla.org and cliked on the download link on the frontpage
[11:25] <Benotti> http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox&os=linux&lang=en-US
[11:25] <ogra> nogra: thanks....
[11:26] <zombics> ogra, the scoundery lines?the universe?
[11:26] <ogra> zombics: #deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[11:26] <ogra> zombics: and then upgrade first....
[11:44] <|QuaD|> is gdesklets broken?
[11:44] <ReptiX> hello
[11:44] <ReptiX> PLEASE HELP ME someone please reply
[11:44] <ReptiX> ok which pacakge of wine do i download for ubunto
[11:44] <Matt|> sup ReptiX
[11:44] <Matt|> oh dunno ;)
[11:44] <ReptiX> do i get the mandrake or slakeware one
[11:44] <topyli> |QuaD|: by design, yes :)
[11:44] <ReptiX> which one is closer
[11:44] <ReptiX> http://www.winehq.com/site/download
[11:44] <Matt|> |QuaD|, define broken
[11:44] <Tyche> Upgrading to Hoary now....ooooooh! =)
[11:44] <ogra> siretart: write one...and add it here ;) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NautilusScriptsHowto
[11:44] <Matt|> ReptiX, is there no debian package?
[11:44] <|QuaD|> topyli & Matt| explain
[11:44] <ReptiX> yea
[11:44] <ReptiX> there is
[11:44] <ogra> ReptiX: the ubuntu one
[11:44] <ReptiX> but its a .deb
[11:44] <Matt|> |QuaD|, gdesklets is pretty raw
[11:44] <ReptiX> tere is no ubuntu one ogra
[11:44] <Tyche> Ogra: Know of any direct disastrous issues going with hoary upgrades?
[11:44] <|QuaD|> Matt|: what do you mean by "raw"
[11:44] <siretart> ogra: well, thats my point: is it really whise to implement it as a nautilus skript?
[11:45] <Matt|> |QuaD|, raw = arse
[11:45] <ogra> ReptiX:  wine - Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
[11:45] <|QuaD|> so you are saying gdesklets are arse?
[11:45] <Matt|> ReptiX, yep there is an ubuntu wine
[11:45] <ogra> ReptiX: in universe
[11:45] <Matt|> |QuaD|, yeah, now that I follow the logic through
[11:45] <ReptiX> were?
[11:45] <ReptiX> please tell me were or suplie link
[11:45] <Nivlem> Tyche: Only problem I am having is that udev/hotplug(probably hotplug) is incorrectly identifying the filesystem on my external firewire drive...
[11:46] <|QuaD|> Matt|: so it doesn't work with hoary?
[11:46] <topyli> |QuaD|: cruft on desktop is not very productive. it's also resource hungry compared to their usefulness. otherwise, they may be working perfectly :)
[11:46] <Matt|> ReptiX, you need to add wine
[11:46] <ReptiX> add wine?
[11:46] <ReptiX> what do you mean
[11:46] <Matt|> |QuaD|, not sure, it should do
[11:46] <ogra> ReptiX: enable universe http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[11:46] <ReptiX> ok
[11:46] <Matt|> ReptiX, yeah sorry my brain is down
[11:46] <Matt|> ReptiX, wat he said
[11:46] <ReptiX> lol
[11:46] <|QuaD|> Matt|: i am getting a python erro
[11:46] <ftwig> wow - apt-get build-dep - that is amazingly usefull
[11:46] <Matt|> |QuaD|, shoot
[11:46] <ogra> ftwig: ;)
[11:47] !dmwaters:*! Hi all! update on that main rotation server problem... Apparrently the router on it's network died, broken interface card. Sponsor says it's fixed now :)
[11:47] <Matt|> ftwig, what does that do?
[11:47] <Tyche> Nivlem: Okay, good to know...just didn't want to install and not have my system come back up! =)
[11:47] <|QuaD|> Matt|: http://www.pastebin.com/125009   those are my 2 errors
[11:48] <ftwig> orga: this should be the answer to 'what do I need to compile' yupe questions - I did it for ardour and even though I am using a tarball download pit worked
[11:48] <ftwig> Matt|: it installs ALL packaged needed to build something!
[11:48] <Matt|> |QuaD|, cool
[11:49] <Matt|> no idea
[11:49] <ftwig> Matt|: this would of daved me houres - lets here it for apt-get!
[11:49] <ogra> zombics: Package: nvidia-glx Version: 1.0.6111-1ubuntu7
[11:49] <Matt|> ftwig, i don't get it, why is that useful?
[11:49] <ogra> zombics: Architecture: amd64 :)
[11:50] <Amaranth> yippee, openoffice.org is unbusted
[11:50] <ftwig> Matt: because when trying to install from source is can be a real bugger to work out what packages you need.
[11:50] <Matt|> ok
[11:50] <reversal`> How can I edit my fstab file to allow a windows ntfs partition (hda1) user access?
[11:50] <topyli> Benotti: all i can think of is you have a bad download or something. the firefox installer (since there is one) should just work if you run it through sudo :(
[11:50] <ftwig> Matt|: and apart from that compiling sources is not that scary
[11:51] <Amaranth> reversal`: You know NTFS partitions are read-only, right?
[11:51] <Benotti> Ill download it again then
[11:51] <reversal`> yes
[11:51] <zombics> ogra, cool :)
[11:51] <ftwig> Matt|: what I dont get is whay it is not is all kernel build howtos
[11:51] <ogra> reversal`: /dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       ntfs    ro,user,noauto,umask=000  0       0
[11:51] <reversal`> thanks
[11:51] <ogra> reversal`: and create /mnt/hda1
[11:51] <ogra> reversal`: cleaner is /media/hda1
[11:51] <YokoZar> Is there an easy way to have an Ubuntu system act as a router with an extra network card?
[11:51] <amathis> anyone know about converting .nrg to .iso?
[11:52] <YokoZar> What I want to do is plug in another network card and then plug in my ip phone
[11:52] <ogra> amathis: what is nrg ? never heard that
[11:52] <ReptiX> guys there is no wine in there
[11:52] <amathis> ogra: I ripped some M$ software off of a cd.
[11:52] <ogra> ReptiX: did you reload the package lists ?
[11:52] <amathis> ogra: I want to reburn it
[11:52] <topyli> has anybody installed firefox from mozilla.org so they could help Benotti?
[11:52] <amathis> yes
[11:52] <amathis> I have
[11:52] <ReptiX> if someone will go into my os and install wine and my ati radeam card drvs i will give you a free hosting package at host41.com
[11:52] <amathis> tis' simple
[11:52] <ReptiX> 100 - 200 mb
[11:52] <ReptiX> PLEASE
[11:53] <YokoZar> Um don't use the Ubuntu wine package
[11:53] <ReptiX> i need it and i need it fast
[11:53] <ReptiX> its very important
[11:53] <YokoZar> I'm building a new wine debian package.  The Ubuntu and Debian ones are VERY out of date
[11:53] <topyli> amathis: cool, so perhaps you might walk him through, because i'm out of ideas here :(
[11:53] <amathis> ..
[11:53] <YokoZar> ReptiX: Go to winehq.org and download it from cvs
[11:53] <amathis> it isn't hard...
[11:53] <amathis> Download tar.gz
[11:53] <Benotti> same error:(
[11:53] <amathis> cd firefox-installer
[11:54] <kent> ReptiX, add universe to synaptic (check the homepage of ubuntu) and just install wine. Its  that easy.
[11:54] <amathis> ./firefox-installer
[11:54] <amathis> ./firefox
[11:54] <reversal`> Ogra: still getting john:/mnt $ mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1               mount: only root can do that
[11:54] <Benotti> error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:54] <YokoZar> kent: That would be true if the wine packages weren't 4 months out of date.  I'm a wine developer fixing them as we speak ;)
[11:54] <amathis> Benotti: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[11:55] <ogra> reversal`: just  mount /dev/hda1
[11:55] <Benotti> benoit@dhcppc0:~/firefox-installer $ sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0
[11:55] <Benotti> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:55] <Benotti> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:55] <Benotti> libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version.
[11:55] <Benotti> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:55] <Benotti> weird
[11:55] <reversal`> ah, thanks a lot man <3
[11:55] <amathis> Benotti: apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[11:55] <YokoZar> ReptiX: I have a beta package you can try with newer wine version.  You still there?
[11:55] <topyli> Benotti: very weird
[11:55] <usual> gnome menu icons, borked in hoary upgrade doh
[11:56] <Benotti> benoit@dhcppc0:~/firefox-installer $ sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev
[11:56] <Benotti> Reading Package Lists... Done
[11:56] <Benotti> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[11:56] <Benotti> libgtk2.0-dev is already the newest version.
[11:56] <Benotti> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:56] <Benotti> weirder:)
[11:56] <ReptiX> yes
[11:56] <ReptiX> but you have to do two things for me
[11:56] <Benotti> should I run ./firefox-installer from a special folder or something?
[11:56] <YokoZar> ReptiX: err are you comfortable editing your apt repositories list?
[11:56] <ReptiX> install my ati, that, and also get the source code of my kernal in here its not ther
[11:56] <Benotti> doing it from /home/myname right now
[11:56] <topyli> Benotti: no, it doesn't matter
[11:57] <ReptiX> i dont know whgat that is so i guess so
[11:57] <ReptiX> lol
[11:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I disable hotplug?
[11:57] <ogra> ReptiX: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:57] <ReptiX> LISTEN if you get my game to work
[11:58] <ReptiX> you get the hosting
[11:58] <ReptiX> thats that
[11:58] <ReptiX> can you do it pm me
[11:58] <ogra> ReptiX: read the wiki ..... for ati.... its quite easy
[11:58] <will> how do you fix overlapping partitions?
[11:58] <Benotti> Ill post my problem on linuxquestions, hopefully someone can tell me what the problem is.:S
[11:59] <ogra> will: how so you get them ?
[11:59] <YokoZar> ReptiX: I'm not doing that for you, don't need hosting.  join #winehq though, we'll guide you through the beta package there (as installing one included with Ubuntu is out of date)
[11:59] <ogra>  /so/do
[11:59] <topyli> Benotti: i'm uploading the packages i built on my homepages, get them (if i have enough room there :)