[12:02] Kamion: around? [12:11] elmo: ping [12:12] jdub: ? [12:12] mdz: hmm, I can't reproduce it.. I'm asking the guy who told me. [12:12] elmo: can you reaim bugzilla at ubuntu-bugs now? :) [12:13] jdub: err, not unless someone tells me how? [12:13] hrm [12:13] actually, i might be able to do it [12:14] i don't think i can [12:15] was modconf removed from hoary? === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] Kamion: around? [12:17] jdub: can you give me any hints? [12:17] sivang: modconf has never worked properly with 2.6 kernels, I don't think [12:17] it was not in Warty either [12:17] beyond grep -r warty-bugs [12:19] elmo: i have no idea, really [12:21] mdz : ok, sorry I should have known that. [12:22] elmo: I can mysql it if you give me access [12:22] I don't think I can do it via the interface without having it mail an auth token to the list [12:22] hmm, actually no [12:22] I think that bit is hardcoded [12:23] elmo: grep -r it is [12:23] and right now i can declare the first room of my house FINISHED [12:23] elmo: Bugzilla/BugMail.pm, ~line 342 [12:23] yeah, it's part of the patch set [12:23] yeah [12:24] 007 [12:24] fabbione: congratulations [12:24] I don't think i can say that about any room in my house [12:24] and I've been here a year [12:24] mdz: eheh i know that feeling... the rest is gonna take much longer [12:24] I can kind of say that about my bedroom, but only because I moved everything in it to the spare room to make room for the new bed ;) [12:24] at least tomorrow i can move to the new office [12:25] fabbione: i386 kernel is go [12:25] mdz: cool [12:26] waht about ppc? [12:26] I am downloading a warty powerpc image so that I can fix the kernel-image breakage that is making it unbootable [12:26] i.e., can't test yet [12:26] ok thanks [12:26] I was going to use a hoary CD to fix it, but it was busted [12:26] and thanks for signing my keys [12:26] yeah Kamion said so before [12:26] mdz: do you know the fix? did you saw my bug report? [12:26] fabbione: finally :-) [12:27] carlos: no and no [12:27] mdz: there is always a hope.. [12:27] joey was much slower than you :-) [12:27] mdz: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4190 === carlos remembers that he didn't signed yet any key... [12:28] carlos: oh, that [12:28] carlos: that's a duplicate, shame on you :-P [12:28] really? === carlos needs to learn to search better === nictuku [nictuku@nictuku.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] carlos: I thought you were asking about the powerpc hoary CD [12:28] rather than the kernel-image breakage [12:29] carlos : he makes me feel very bad when I open duplicates also ;-) [12:29] which one is the other bug so I could close that one? [12:29] sivang: :-) [12:29] hi. I'm willing to make an interface to help easy translation of the site and documentation, but I need some support from you guys. [12:29] I am so much nicer about ubuntu duplicates than I am about debbugs duplicates :-P [12:30] my idea is to help translators to keep versions in synch easily, by providing them a simple interface showing the differences between versions, and letting them just translate the part that changed (although it can't be too strict on this). [12:31] [Clint] : eek, versioned conflict in an essential package [12:31] now there's a scary apt test case [12:34] I hope it's not two Essential packages; that's an amusingly unknown special case [12:34] mdz: to work around a bug in a non-essential package. yes, it's great. [12:35] oh, and it's a replaces now, per Kamion [12:36] not sure how that matters to apt [12:38] well, i'll just write it. if you find it useful, lucky me. [12:49] mdz : is there a way I can leave dbus-1 running, and just disable hald? [12:49] sivang: tried removing hal? [12:53] jdub : I did! It works falwlessly now, and with gamin, it's faster like a bullet [12:54] jdub : is there any point in leaving dbus-1 and just disabling hald? [12:55] yeah, other things use dbus [12:56] so hal is slowing your machine down badly? [12:56] Clint: replaces is much more apt-friendly [12:56] Clint: it's very nearly ignored [12:58] jdub : it was so badly, the machine became completly stoned :) [01:00] sivang: just disk access slowing or really the complete machine ? [01:00] jdub : ok, how can I just leave dbus-1 on and disable hald, there is not /etc/init.d/hald [01:00] sivang: just uninstall hal [01:01] sjoerd : disk access seems to be the one which is most badly influneced, yes. [01:01] see also /etc/dbus-1/event.d/ -> but removing hal would be simpler [01:01] sivang: laptop with both hd and cd on the same ide bus ? [01:06] sjoerd : how do I check that? lspci shows only one IDE interface. [01:07] what device is your cd ? hdb ? [01:07] sjoerd : yes [01:07] ah, just turn of media checking, no need to remove hal completely [01:07] known problem.. buy real hardware next time :) [01:07] sjoerd : real hardware? :) [01:09] sivang: something that has a dedicated bus for the hd and one for the cd [01:10] sjoerd : why this is not a problem on other machine which use the same bus for both devices? [01:10] other machine == laptop too ? [01:10] sjoerd : no :) [01:11] sjoerd : but not everyone reported that with their laptop, guess they have dedicated busses per device. [01:11] the problem is that your cd drive goes into ``sleep'' between two hal polls [01:11] so when it polls again it has to be waken up, which makes the bus unavailable for some time [01:11] on dekstop machine, cd drives don't have this behaviour apparently [01:12] sjoerd: nice! [01:13] sjoerd : how did you find this out? [01:13] sjoerd : and also, why your nickname appears on the first python example at python.org ? ;-) [01:13] sjoerd : (the addressbook example) [01:14] that's a coincidence :) [01:14] sivang: i know because your not the first one and there was some discussion about it on the hal list [01:15] jdub: actually, not so nice :) [01:15] sjoerd : ok, I'll mv the startup links back to SXX and try just diabling media check :) [01:15] sjoerd: well, in "challenging things to work around" bug kind of nice ;) === Ferry [~ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] dunno if it happens a lot.. We could provide some fdi rules in the example to disable the media checking on just the internal cdrom.. So it still checks plugged in devices [01:18] sivang: imnsho everything a laptop that has both hd and cd on the same ide bus is just a toy.. that's what i ment with, buy real hardware [01:18] sjoerd : well, this isn't mine even :) if I buy one I think it's going to be a thinkpad [01:18] or better yet, [01:19] a PowerBOok [01:19] hehe === sjoerd loves his powerbook [01:19] people here say all the time how wonderful ubuntu is on the pb [01:19] :) === sjoerd doesn't run ubuntu [01:19] but debian is wonderfull :) [01:23] sjoerd: sjoerd doesn't run ubuntu.....yet :-) [01:23] fabbione: still up? [01:24] mdz : hehe [01:24] fabbione: powerpc booted and seems to work [01:24] fabbione: however, I found a regression on i386 [01:24] my CD writer is no longer recognised correctly [01:25] mdz: don't hold your breath for that :) [01:25] time too sleep.. night! [01:25] sjoerd : night! [01:26] mdz: yes.. i was testing 2.6.9 on i386 [01:26] mdz: and i got some kind of error in dmesg that i didn't like [01:26] mdz: about a release function in a driver === nictuku [nictuku@nictuku.user] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:27] mdz: anyway i really really need to go and get some sleep [01:27] fabbione: I've gotten that for many versions, nothing to worry about [01:27] it's like 1:30am [01:27] fabbione: I'll see if I can debug my problem [01:27] mdz: ah ok [01:27] mdz: what regression do you have? [01:27] fabbione: my CD writer is no longer recognised correctly [01:27] (USB) [01:27] hmmm [01:28] i recall something about changing usb stuff [01:28] and it was related to usb-mass storage [01:28] yeah, my CD burner gets detected as mass-storage [01:28] works fine under the current hoary kernel [01:28] (gets incorrectly detected as mass-storage under 2.6.9) [01:29] I'm googling it, I'll let you know tomorrow [01:29] . usb-storage-vendor-count.dpatch [01:29] that was changed [01:29] mdz: it's like a 2 line diff [01:29] iirc [01:29] hmm [01:29] that patch was added by Debian? [01:30] no it was stolen from upstream [01:30] fabbione: is your .dsc/.diff.gz available somewhere? [01:30] but there were 2 lines that were in conflict [01:30] fabbione: who added it to the package? [01:30] i can uploaded [01:30] or it was in 2.6.8.1? [01:30] it was in 2.6.8.1 [01:30] upstream in 2.6.9 [01:30] but with 2 lines that were different [01:31] let me dig it up .. [01:31] mdz: the orig is on my home on davis or concordia [01:33] mdz: anyway if you check the patch from 2.6.8.1 [01:33] it's like 2 addition and one removal [01:33] oh no [01:33] i'm going to have to choose between mjg's acpi love and inotify [01:34] jdub: why? [01:34] fabbione: looking at it [01:34] 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) [01:34] well, yours won't have those crazy dsdt patches, right? [01:34] yeah... [01:34] jdub: not yet... [01:34] and mjg's doesn't have inotify :) [01:34] I think it's unrelated [01:34] i need to discuss with mjg about them [01:34] unless we can convince him to rebuild against yours :) [01:35] jdub: actually i would be more happy to merge the 2 in a sane way [01:35] that patch smells a bit like crack [01:35] mdz: but it has been applied upstream [01:35] fabbione: no, the dsdt patch [01:35] just slightly differnt [01:35] ah ok [01:36] dpkg-source: building linux-source-2.6.9 in linux-source-2.6.9_2.6.9-1.diff.gz [01:36] few secs :-) [01:36] mdz: really handy though [01:37] mdz: to the point where we might be able to ship dsdt files for known b0rk hardware :) [01:37] jdub: if we already know about them, we can fix them in the kernel [01:37] the patch only lets you fix it after the fact [01:37] and leaves the user to dig up some workaround and not report a bug :-P [01:37] that means we'd have to create something in the kernel which would select the right dsdt, and crank up the kernel size with dsdt foo [01:38] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/254610 [01:38] fabbione: ^^ that's the problem I'm having [01:39] jdub: my understanding is that new ACPI patches work around this stuff in other ways [01:39] not shipping DSDTs [01:40] mdz: checking [01:40] but I haven't checked [01:40] mdz: the dsdt tells acpi what's going on... [01:40] http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/11/3/147 [01:40] that's the same problem [01:41] fabbione: ^^ has a workaround [01:41] apparently just disabling the ub driver [01:41] er, compiling it in [01:41] night all! [01:42] fabbione: perhaps we should just do CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB=n [01:42] mdz: ok.. easy :-) [01:42] let me finish to read [01:42] you are fresh and dandy ;) [01:42] fabbione: now that I know what to look for, that is the prevailing advice [01:42] i am close to crash [01:42] "don't use ub" === sivang [~sivang@80.179.93.130.forward.012.net.il] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:43] fabbione: since this is the only problem found, I would like to make that change and upload if it's OK with you [01:43] why on heart my machine is running update-db at this time [01:43] (after testing that it fixes my problem, of course) [01:43] mdz: wait for upload. i have other changes pending [01:43] mdz: test the fix is more than OK [01:43] mdz: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs/ [01:44] fabbione: I would like to get something into the archive (as non-default) since it fixes many bugs, and gives something to test for unknown bugs [01:45] mdz: please let me do it tomorrow [01:45] jdub: excellent [01:45] fabbione: ok, ok [01:46] mdz: i want daniels changes in too since they fix other ubuntu bugs [01:46] fabbione: X has put you in the habit of making huge uploads with many changes :-) [01:46] there is nothing wrong with making two uploads [01:47] mdz: because the kernel takes 3 times as much as X to compile [01:47] buildd cycles are cheap [01:47] CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB=y -> n [01:47] mdz: for our buildd yes... [01:47] not for my test machines ;) [01:48] mdz: diff and dsc are on p.u.c/~fabbione/kernel/ [01:48] we have already tested the current stuff; if you make more changes we need to re-test [01:48] thanks [01:48] jdub: should we announce its existence? [01:48] mdz: i know.. and we didn't test probably 1/10 of the changes anyway :-) [01:49] the changelog for 2.6.9 is like 1.5MB [01:49] mdz: yeah [01:49] + our changes [01:49] mdz: want me to post? [01:49] anyway i need to get some sleep [01:49] otherwise tomorrow i will be dead [01:49] jdub: sure, thanks [01:49] fabbione: night [01:49] night === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] jdub: is there anything else hiding out on rince that we should publicise? [02:01] nup [02:01] (just checked the list) === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [~james@203-59-105-136.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] sigh... mako? === lamont dinners === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | TEST ME: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-November/001743.html === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Tue Nov 30 03:24:07 2004 [07:56] fabbione: eek [07:57] mdz: i found plastic pieces all over [07:57] and thanks god i had another fan big enough to replace this one [07:57] but i need to change it [07:58] this is a really bad hack [07:58] fabbione: does this mean no kernel builds for you today? ;-) [07:58] i think i also had some disk corruption [07:58] mdz: not at all.. all my devel stuff is mirrored across 3 machines :-) [07:59] but the worst thing is that the kernel didn't boot with a really annoying CRC error [07:59] fabbione: do you think you can get 2.6.9 into hoary today? [07:59] that means i need to build a new one and replace it [07:59] mdz: sure [07:59] no doubts [07:59] great [07:59] mdz: i need to wait pitti stuff [07:59] mdz: that's the only bits i need to finish to merge [08:00] and i need to wait one hour at least to let all my secondaries MX to flush the cache into my server :-) [08:00] those aren't regressions from 2.6.8.1, so if those bits can't be done today for whatever reason, don't let it delay you [08:00] [>....................] recovery = 0.0% (101308/117220672) finish=2058.2min speed=948K/sec === fabbione sighs [08:00] mdz: i am still not sure what bits are missing... [08:00] mdz: did you check that cd burner stuff? [08:00] fabbione: some of the patches in -16.1 [08:01] fabbione: I tried, but was not able to get it working [08:01] aren't they upstream? [08:01] fabbione: some, but not all [08:01] ok [08:01] -16.1 and some other stuff in preparation [08:01] herbert and pitti have details [08:01] now i remember why i did upgrade the kernel [08:01] fabbione: I tried removing the ub module from the usbmap, but it still didn't work for some reason [08:02] at that speed it will take ages to rebuild the raid [08:02] mdz: ok... [08:02] i guess we will deal with it later [08:02] fabbione: there was no .orig.tar.gz in your directory, and the md5 is not the same as Debian's [08:02] so I could not go much further [08:03] mdz: on davis and concordia yes [08:03] and no.. i am not using their orig.tar.gz because it is different (prune-non-free) [08:04] fabbione: are you using a kernel.org tarball, then? [08:04] mdz: almost.. yes [08:05] almost? [08:05] where can I download your tarball? [08:05] morning all [08:05] there is one file that needs to be removed because DPATCH is RETARTED [08:05] mdz: from my home directory on davis or concordia [08:05] mdz: same as 6 hours ago :-) [08:05] mdz: i didn't change location [08:06] davis:~ $ ls [08:06] linux-source-2.6.9_2.6.9.orig.tar.gz [08:06] unknown host davis [08:06] unknown host concordia [08:06] .ubuntu.com [08:06] they are not in the other dns [08:06] and you need to proxy them [08:06] via chinstrap [08:07] I was on chinstrap [08:07] gah [08:07] they only resolve fully qualified === fabbione doesn' === fabbione doesn't lie :-) [08:08] fabbione: any ideas for another quick test for the usb problem before I go to bed? [08:09] mdz: other than recompiling the kernel without that thing no [08:09] mdz: it is compiled it [08:09] in [08:09] so there is no point in removing it from the usbmap [08:09] fabbione: Nov 30 16:32:27 mdz: the orig is on my home on davis or concordia [08:09] fabbione: that is all you said before, not .ubuntu.com :-P [08:09] mdz: next time don't go in holidays for too long :P [08:10] CONFIG_BLK_DEV_UB=m [08:10] that is 2.6.9-1 [08:10] oh [08:10] hmmm [08:10] you can try compiling it in? [08:10] or rm the module from /lib/modules === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu development -- general discussion and support on #ubuntu | Want to help Hoary? see https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryGoals | TEST ME: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-November/001743.html === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by mdz at Tue Nov 30 03:24:07 2004 === tuo2 [~foo@adsl-36-114.swiftdsl.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:29] W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 [08:29] === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sid77 hi === elmo [~james@82.211.81.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] morning [09:14] no it's not :) === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:23] pitti: ping [09:23] fabbione: pong [09:24] dude.. your mail is like: "hey have fun!" [09:24] fabbione: it already took me very long to extract this out of Herbert's changelogs and the mail flood [09:24] ehhe [09:24] fabbione: why, you have CAN numbers, links to patches, what else do you want? [09:24] pitti: we need to go trough it together [09:25] fabbione: of course [09:25] pitti: you! [09:25] i want you === remon [~remon@210-64-dsl.ipact.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] fabbione: this is only my personal track list [09:25] fabbione: I'm back in about 5 minutes [09:25] me to === sid77 [~sid77@host98-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [~daniels@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:57] morning boys and girls. and Keybuk. [09:58] morning mr dub [09:59] yo daniels [09:59] morning mrs jdub === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo_ [~Michael@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-237-53.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] jdub: ping? [10:20] pong [10:21] is #3811 still an isue? that's reported for OOo-1.1.2 [10:21] doko: i don't believe so [10:21] didn't hit me when i installed 1.1.3 [10:22] ok, thanks. === lulu_ [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lulu_ [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:24] WOW [10:24] only 300 lines of changelog for 2.6.9 [10:24] and i still have to finish! [10:25] + it's not even anal as it was before dpatch trashed half of it [10:26] fabbione: that's nothing, kid :P === lulu_ [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] daniels: go back and fix xorg [10:27] my glxgears shows me 7598 fps instead of 7599 [10:27] I CANNOT LIVE WITH THIS REGRESSION [10:27] ahhaa [10:27] RESOLVED/WONTFIX [10:27] fabbione: you have to add today's dollar value, remember [10:27] stop buying crappy nvidia hardware :P [10:28] grrrrr [10:28] i'm rocking at 400 [10:28] Matt|: unless you can tell the difference between 400 and 450 FPS in glxgears, and care about that difference, it's unimportant [10:28] daniels, im not blaming you, just whinghing about my computer [10:28] why does it matter? [10:28] no-one actually sits there and watches glxgears [10:28] and notices the difference [10:28] daniels, i want 7598 [10:28] benchmark games if it bothers you [10:29] but benchmarking glxgears is stupid [10:29] whoa ok it was just a joke man === lulu_ [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ironwolf [~ironwolf@c-24-6-169-124.client.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] ping mdz [10:43] mvo_: he already went to sleep [10:44] pitti: thanks === calc kicks HPT for their crappy hardware [10:45] it overwrites part of the grub stage1_5 [10:47] and makes grub give a very useful error 21 output after first reboot === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-8-69.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [~herzi@d044247.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ross [~ross@84.12.27.219] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fwiffo___ [~user@81.19.254.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Astharot [~isager@www.zone-h.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fwiffo____ [~user@81.19.254.172] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hazmat [~hazmat@c-24-15-10-12.client.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Astharot- [~isager@www.zone-h.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] fabbione: ping [11:29] yeah kid [11:31] oh === mvo_ [~Michael@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] daniels: ping [11:37] daniels: ? [11:40] fabbione: any luck with the kernel? [11:41] daniels: yes. i have almost done [11:41] daniels: i am including your patches now [11:41] after that it is a run of buildds [11:42] and upload [11:47] dilinger: sure... i will put them on the web in a sec [11:47] erhm === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] fabbione: let me know when you upload so I can get it out of the archive to fix l-r-m [11:52] daniels: yes i know you are waiting for it :-) [11:56] daniels: 2 of your patches require kernel config modification === seb128_ [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-24-141.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] + you shouldn't modify debian/ in dpatch === Matt| [~Matt|@81-179-237-53.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] jdub: yo [12:12] mdz: yo [12:12] hey Kamion [12:12] fabbione: ahr, yeah [12:12] guys what package provides gnome-panel-screenshot do you know? [12:12] Kamion: have some interesting questions about installer [12:12] daniels: i will keep ipw2100-fsam7400.dpatch synaptics-cpad-support.dpatch for -2 [12:12] Matt|: gnome-utils will include it [12:12] daniels: because it will require a resync of the configs [12:12] Matt|: it moved upstream [12:12] thanks [12:12] calc: hey, if you know more details about that, could you add them to bug #2254 please? [12:12] fabbione: dude, it's one line! [12:12] daniels: and it takes hell of a lot of time [12:13] the diff should even apply cleanly [12:13]