[12:00] <Benotti> .deb?
[12:00] <will> ogra: i have fat32 primary, and linux & swap in extended but fat32 and linux overlap, all is bootable though
[12:00] <ogra> will: weird
[12:00] <will> ogra: had this problem scince i insalled ubuntu
[12:00] <ogra> will: filed a bug about it ?
[12:00] <topyli> Benotti: yeah, so you can install them with "dpkg -i <packagename>"
[12:00] <will> bitch is i cant modify any partitoins
[12:01] <Roptaty> will, i have the same shit. Whenever i try to run cfdisk, i get a message indicating that partitions are overlapping..
[12:01] <GotD0t> how do you count the number of files in a directory?
[12:01] <Roptaty> fdisk does not complain though.
[12:01] <Benotti> Will it install other depencies? When installing firefox 1.0 from the hoary resources it install other depencies which resulted that X didnt work anymore
[12:02] <will> Poptaty: what does sudo fdisk -l /dev/hda gice you?
[12:02] <will> roptaty even
[12:02] <ogra> Roptaty, will, could someone file a bug .....
[12:02] <LeeColleton> Gem 0.888-2ubuntu1 doesn't load with puredata.  It says "/usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem.pd_linux: can't load library"  This is from Universe but the package says Ubuntu on it.
[12:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> well I will ask gain, how do I disable hotplug?
[12:02] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: you dont want that
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> _|Imanewbie|_: hotplug is not optional
[12:03] <mintSlice> hey all
[12:03] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: hotplug loads your modules
[12:03] <topyli> Benotti: ok, try these: http://siltala.net/mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu3_i386.deb and http://siltala.net/mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.2ubuntu3_i386.deb
[12:03] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: not all, but lots of them
[12:03] <will> ogra: tried a reinstall, but that was with the old pre warty install & partitioning software, Roptaty did you use warty cd?
[12:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: I do it is giving me alerts about beeing unable to load shpchp
[12:03] <mintSlice> I'm hoping someone mught be able to show me how to get Fedora Core 3 and Ubuntu to play well together.
[12:03] <Hrdwr_BoB> mintSlice: what do you mean play?
[12:03] <topyli> Benotti: be quick, i'll remove them soon :)
[12:03] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BootHotPlugErrors
[12:04] <mintSlice> I want to share a partition (/home) but ubuntu can't write to it (it was set up using FC3)
[12:04] <mintSlice> I suspect that it has to do with selinux in FC3
[12:04] <topyli> Benotti: no extra dependencies, i built them on my warty system
[12:04] <will> roptaty: found this http://www.betips.net/chunga.php?id=660 but its for beos, but the same problem almost
[12:04] <Benotti> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jsiltala/juha//mozilla-firefox-gnome-support_1.0.2ubuntu3_i386.deb doesnt work
[12:04] <Roptaty> will, yes, I did... i partioned using the partionerer on the warty disc
[12:05] <topyli> Benotti: oh, there's an extra slash after juha there
[12:05] <will> Roptaty: are u filing a bug?
[12:05] <Roptaty> will, I deleted first a partition and then created two where the first one had been.
[12:05] <ogra> Roptaty: could you file a bug then at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ against the installer (precisely partman)
[12:06] <mintSlice> Hrdwr_BoB: actually, I think I've found the issue.
[12:06] <Benotti> still doesnt work
[12:06] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: thanks
[12:07] <mintSlice> Hrdwr_BoB: Ubuntu defaults the new users to 1000+ whereas FC3 defaults them to 500+ in /etc/passwd
[12:07] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: these errors are a weird way to tell you *** there is no such hardware ***
[12:07] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: just cosmetic
[12:07] <Roptaty> ogra, will, i will try to reshuffle the partitions using sfdisk...
[12:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> mintSlice: yep
[12:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> mintSlice: easy fix, change the uid
[12:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> then chown the homedir
[12:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> in either
[12:08] <mintSlice> sure.
[12:08] <ogra> Roptaty: but a bug would be really nice....to prevent other users from having this prob.....
[12:08] <topyli> Benotti: grrr... there's another typo: the version is 1.0-2ubuntu3, not 1.0.2ubuntu3
[12:08] <mintSlice> Will the lack of selinux in Ubuntu cause problems with the /home filesystem (ext3)
[12:08] <Benotti> ok, I have both files:)
[12:09] <topyli> Benotti: ok, let me remove them from the site and then we're rolling :)
[12:09] <Matt|> mintSlice, uh no
[12:09] <Matt|> mintSlice, far from it
[12:09] <Benotti> how do I install it? And still dont need to remove 0.9.3?
[12:09] <mintSlice> Matt|: what do you mean 'far from it'
[12:09] <topyli> Benotti: you'll upgrade, there's not need to uninstall the old version.
[12:10] <Matt|> mintSlice, i mean, the two concepts are unrelated
[12:10] <Benotti> "dpkg -i <packagename>"
[12:10] <Benotti> what does the -i do? and does it matter which of the two I install first?
[12:10] <Matt|> install
[12:10] <topyli> Benotti: you open a terminal window and navigate to the directory where you have the files, then do dpkg -i for both
[12:10] <Roptaty> ogra, I will
[12:10] <ogra> Roptaty: great, thanks :)))
[12:10] <Roptaty> ogra, just have to register first.
[12:10] <Matt|> mintSlice, what sort of problems did you have in mind?
[12:11] <Matt|> ogra, how is that app of yours coming along? :)
[12:11] <mintSlice> Matt|: even if the /home partition was created using FC3 which includes selinux support
[12:11] <ogra> Matt|: hehe, which one ?
[12:11] <usual> where does gnome get information on what to put into the menu?
[12:11] <Benotti> dpkg: error processing mozilla-firefox_1.0-2ubuntu3_i386.deb (--install):
[12:11] <Matt|> mintSlice, right. well you won't have any problems due to that. Many some others tho
[12:11] <Benotti>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[12:11] <Matt|> ogra, swoon
[12:11] <calc> anyone happen to know why grub gives an error 21 when trying to boot directly off of a hpt370/372 controller but sees the drive fine when booting off a floppy in the same system?
[12:11] <Matt|> ogra, mrburns
[12:11] <Benotti> perhaps thats the reason it didnt want to install initially?
[12:12] <Matt|> mintSlice, you have kept your files from the fedora install?
[12:12] <topyli> Benotti: AAARGH! you're on a different architecture :\
[12:12] <Matt|> *laughs*
[12:12] <ogra> Matt|: currently i'm trying to improve my packaging skills..... there are a lot requests for src packages....so i have to do that first
[12:12] <mintSlice> Matt|: I'm concerned because the Ubuntu installer has some issues with /home partition during the install
[12:12] <topyli> Benotti: that's why the mozilla packages didn't install also =)
[12:12] <Benotti> but I believe it is possible to install the 32 bit version? I actually prefer that because then I could use flash:)
[12:12] <Matt|> mintSlice, are you keeping files from the fedora installation?
[12:12] <ogra> Matt|: and i didnt practice a lot....on src pkgs
[12:12] <mintSlice> Matt|: what do you mean, have I kept my files for the FC install?
[12:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> ogra: solved thanks a lot =)
[12:12] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: :)
[12:13] <Matt|> mintSlice, are you deleting the partition or keeping the files?
[12:13] <Matt|> ogra, k
[12:13] <mintSlice> Matt|: I want to be able to access the files from both Ubuntu and FC3
[12:13] <mintSlice> It needs to be a shared /home for both distros
[12:13] <Matt|> mintSlice, *laughs*
[12:13] <Tyche> There is so much cool stuff to do with Ubuntu. I'm loving it.
[12:13] <ogra> Matt|: mrburns will get a rewrite in python next
[12:13] <Benotti> is firefox 1.0 actually available in 64 bit? I cant find it on the site, but right now Im running 0.9.3 64 x86_64
[12:13] <Tyche> Any other things people would suggest? I love the tweaker stuff.
[12:13] <topyli> Benotti: i don't know about the mozilla packages but my packages won't work, that's for certain :)
[12:14] <Matt|> mintSlice, not gonna be fun: fedora and ubuntu have different versions of some programs I imagine, so the configuration files in the /home directory will cause loads of problems
[12:14] <EfaistOs> hi
[12:14] <Benotti> Ill ask on a forum tomorrow then, thanks for your help, but Im off to bed now. Bye
[12:14] <EfaistOs> i had a little problem
[12:14] <mintSlice> mmmm
[12:14] <topyli> Benotti: ok, happy hacking!
[12:14] <YokoZar> Yes?
[12:14] <Matt|> mintSlice, what you wanna do is get a partition to share between the systems, but not mount it at /home. Maybe mount it at /data or something
[12:14] <mintSlice> ah, okay
[12:15] <Matt|> mintSlice, there are lots of secret files in your home directory
[12:15] <mintSlice> yes, I know
[12:15] <Matt|> mintSlice, see them by doing "ls -a"
[12:15] <EfaistOs> my system froze, i restarted  and /proc was not mounted ...
[12:15] <YokoZar> EfaistOs: do you have an /etc/fstab?
[12:15] <mintSlice> I'm aware of the dot files
[12:15] <EfaistOs> i used init 1 and then init 2 and now its okay but its weird ...
[12:15] <EfaistOs> YokoZar, yes
[12:15] <Matt|> EfaistOs, you can mount it manually and add it to /etc/fstab
[12:15] <Matt|> ah ok
[12:16] <YokoZar> EfaistOs: cat it please
[12:16] <mintSlice> I just wasn't thinking beyond Gnome, Firefox, Evolution etc.
[12:16] <EfaistOs> proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[12:16] <EfaistOs> /dev/hda1       /               reiserfs defaults        0       1
[12:16] <EfaistOs> /dev/hda2       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[12:16] <EfaistOs> /dev/hda4       /usr/local      reiserfs defaults        0       2
[12:16] <EfaistOs> /dev/hda3       none            swap    sw              0       0
[12:16] <EfaistOs> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0       0
[12:16] <EfaistOs> /dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[12:16] <gen> arg
[12:16] <gen> stop Efaist0s
[12:16] <gen> :/
[12:16] <Matt|> mintSlice, those are also probably quite different versions
[12:16] <mintSlice> They are actually quite close
[12:16] <usual> where does gnome get information on what to put into the menu?
[12:16] <mintSlice> close enough not to be an issue
[12:17] <YokoZar> EfaistOs: Well, there you go.  I'm not sure what to do other than mount -a...
[12:17] <EfaistOs> gen, sorry ....
[12:17] <Matt|> mintSlice, well you can try but i wouldn't recommend it. anyhow the selinux thing will not be a problem: ubuntu doesn't implement it
[12:17] <gen> Efaist0s, go to #flood for that k
[12:18] <topyli> gen: EfaistOs was provoked :)
[12:18] <Matt|> yup
[12:18] <Matt|> i forgive him
[12:19] <Matt|> or her
[12:19] <EfaistOs> YokoZar, its really weird ... and some modules were not loaded
[12:19] <Matt|> i gtg
[12:19] <Matt|> nite
[12:19] <YokoZar> EfaistOs: Hmm...I've no idea.
[12:20] <Flipside> hi, can anyone help with an azureus problem
[12:21] <bur[n] er> Flipside: what's the problem?
[12:21] <Flipside> well I am using the safepeer plugin, but cannot tell if a custom block list is loading
[12:21] <gen> so how is that a problem?
[12:22] <Flipside> well I do not know if that block list is loading
[12:22] <Flipside> there is no indication that it is loading, and there is no indication when I change the file name that it is not loading properly
[12:22] <gen> in options->plugins, it's there right
[12:22] <Flipside> I edited the "primary URL" in safepeer.properties
[12:23] <gen> auto-loads all the plugins upon azureus start up
[12:23] <gen> should be auto loaded, shouldnt have to worry about that
[12:23] <Flipside> right, safepeer works fine, but I am wondering if it is loading my CUSTOM block file
[12:23] <Flipside> guarding.p2p
[12:23] <EfaistOs> some panel applet doesnt work too since the upgrade i made
[12:23] <gen> i personally don't use that plugin, but i could grab it real quick to see what you mean
[12:23] <ReptiX> hi
[12:24] <Flipside> i wouldnt want you to have to go to the trouble
[12:24] <gen> there's an option to for the loading of custom config files yes flipside?
[12:24] <gen> in the plugin options, for safepeer
[12:24] <Tyche> I know this is silly, but I like it on other Linux distro when I start and shut down that it is in color...can I make it do that here? So that I know when there are failed ones quickly by looking at it?
[12:24] <Flipside> see there is not
[12:24] <Flipside> I am actually modifying a file in the safepeer folder
[12:24] <gen> there is no option to configure it manually within?
[12:25] <Flipside> its called safepeer.properities
[12:25] <gen> ah
[12:25] <Flipside> right there is no option in the ap
[12:25] <Flipside> i am modifying the file that safepeer gets its URL list from
[12:25] <Flipside> but changing the URL to a file location
[12:25] <Flipside> basically it loads the lists on the fly fromURL's, i am telling it I want to use x file
[12:26] <Eraph> Hey guys, need a little help...
[12:26] <EfaistOs> do u have some little problems with icons in hoary ?
[12:26] <gen> hold on flipside
[12:26] <Flipside> ohh I think I may have found something
[12:26] <|QuaD|> any hoary users using gdesklets???
[12:26] <Flipside> not sure though, ok I am going to try my thing and then report back
[12:26] <Eraph> I'm trying to install XMMS (Winamp style media player), and its gotten to a point in installation where I need to 'make'. I've run config okay, but make doesn't seem to be doing anything. Any ideas?
[12:27] <CPUhome> apt-get install xmms
[12:27] <ogra> Eraph: rather use the ubuntu package
[12:27] <ogra> Eraph: it is in universe
[12:27] <Eraph> Package xmms is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:27] <Eraph> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:27] <Eraph> is only available from another source
[12:27] <Eraph> E: Package xmms has no installation candidate
[12:27] <Eraph> Mer?!
[12:28] <gen> xmms comes with ubuntu..
[12:28] <wig> cef, you here?
[12:28] <Eraph> It does?
[12:28] <gen> yes
[12:28] <CPUhome> Eraph, what does it say if you only type "xmms" in a shell ?
[12:28] <gen> goto terminal and type xmms..
[12:28] <Eraph> bash: xmms: command not found
[12:28] <ogra> Eraph: in universe....enable it in synaptic: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[12:28] <wig> guys, i'm having problem installing a winmodem onto ubuntu
[12:28] <wig> i have the kernel source, and it's in /usr/src
[12:29] <gen> wig, it's a "win" modem :)
[12:29] <wig> but, the thing asks for a ".config" file
[12:29] <wig> gen, it works on linux.
[12:29] <ogra> wig: you only need the headers
[12:29] <Roptaty> ogra, The bug has been filed: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4263
[12:29] <gen> wig, i didn't say it didn't
[12:29] <wig> ogra, blah, i got them all now, does it make a difference :-P
[12:29] <ogra> Roptaty: thank you ! ;)
[12:29] <wig> gen, i thought you implied it.
[12:29] <gen> wig, i did
[12:29] <Roptaty> ogra, no problemo
[12:29] <wig> gen, hence what i said.
[12:29] <gen> :)
[12:30] <ogra> wig: yep....the headers are fitting the config already
[12:30] <Niv_> ogra: Can you take a quick look in #flood and tell me how to get kcontrol installed? Please
[12:30] <wig> anyway, it says "no .config" file found in the src dir,
[12:30] <ogra> Niv_: hoary
[12:30] <CPUhome> oh gees, what's the hd-install commmand yet ?
[12:30] <wig> someone told me to cp /boot/config<tab> but that didn't work.
[12:30] <Niv_> ogra: yessir
[12:31] <ogra>  Niv_: try this: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_powerpc.deb
[12:31] <Niv_> ogra: thank you...
[12:31] <ogra> Niv_: with sudo indeed
[12:31] <topyli> CPUhome: are you running the live cd?
[12:31] <wig> can anyone help?
[12:31] <ogra> Niv_: and afterwards sudo apt-get -f install to clean up
[12:31] <Niv_> ogra: Yep..got that part down...
[12:32] <Niv_> ogra: will do
[12:32] <ogra> wig: install the headers they use the config
[12:32] <CPUhome> topyli, yep
[12:32] <wig> ogra, how would i go about that then?
[12:32] <ogra> wig: uname -r ?
[12:32] <CPUhome> seems that my debian net-install can boot, not due to by install tho, due to some problem in my bios....
[12:32] <Eraph> Perfect! Works nicely! Shall have to use that method more in the future - thanks guys!
[12:32] <wig> 2.6.8.1
[12:32] <wig> ogra, im not on linux right now.
[12:32] <CPUhome> so I'm going to try ubuntu for the sake of it\
[12:32] <wig> ogra, but that's what shows up, i think.
[12:33] <topyli> CPUhome: well, you should use the install cd to install ubuntu, not the live cd
[12:33] <ReptiX> ios there a free quikebooks like program for ubuntu?
[12:33] <ogra> wig: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3-386 (if its 386)
[12:33] <CPUhome> topyli, that's a good idea :P
[12:33] <topyli> heh
[12:33] <Dekkard> gnucash?
[12:33] <wig> ogra, i dont have the internet on linux
[12:34] <ogra> wig: ah ... sorry didnt get that
[12:34] <wig> ogra, unless that stuff is on the cdrom
[12:34] <CPUhome> topyli, do you know if they ship the install cd's as well ?
[12:34] <ogra> wig: oh, it should be....
[12:34] <wig> ogra, yeah?
[12:35] <wig> ogra, okay, so i do that. what should i do after? just so before i get on lnux, i know this stuff.
[12:35] <ogra> wig: looking....
[12:35] <wig> ogra, okay.
[12:35] <topyli> CPUhome: that's what they say. in fact i didn't know they ship the live ones too :)
[12:35] <LucidVisions> Dekkard: is it aroung 600mb for the upgrade?
[12:35] <CPUhome> oh :) thanks than
[12:35] <CPUhome> how long does it normally take ? any idea or not at all :P
[12:36] <Dekkard> LucidVisions: After unpacking 26.7MB of additional disk space will be used
[12:36] <topyli> CPUhome: you'll probably download quicker :)
[12:36] <CPUhome> yeah that's true :)
[12:36] <MobyTurbo> Dekkard, LucidVisions, that doesn't include the space taken up by upgraded programs.
[12:36] <CPUhome> But I dont have any burner that works I think.. lemme see
[12:36] <ogra> wig: yeah :) /media/cdrom0/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.8.1/linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb
[12:37] <CPUhome> there's still apt-get on ubuntu right ?
[12:37] <topyli> sure
[12:37] <CPUhome> ouff...
[12:37] <ogra> CPUhome: and will always be
[12:37] <wig> so, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.8.1-3_2.6.8.1-16_i386.deb
[12:37] <CPUhome> hehe :)
[12:37] <topyli> it's pretty much debian
[12:37] <wig> right, ogra?
[12:37] <ogra> wig: nope
[12:37] <wig> ogra, oh.
[12:37] <MobyTurbo> CPUhome, of course. Why would it be debian-based without that? (Unless it was something like linspire.)
[12:37] <CPUhome> I dont konw.. i'm used to debian but since i'm not at work and I'm tired.. I feel like using something simple :)
[12:37] <ogra> wig: oh, sorry , yes inded
[12:37] <CPUhome> MobyTurbo, good point
[12:37] <wig> lol
[12:37] <ogra> wig: hehe
[12:38] <ogra> wig: i'm to tired i think....
[12:38] <wig> that will install it into /usr/src?
[12:38] <wig> ogra, (keep forgetting to say the name)
[12:38] <Dekkard> but..its like 634 files to upgrade.. so its going to take just a little bit of time..like an hour
[12:38] <MobyTurbo> boy am I lagging
[12:38] <ogra> wig: it will ....
[12:38] <Eraph> Hmm... Okay, so I have XMMS, and when I open a file, it zooms through within seconds. I'm guessing I have issues with my audio driver or something, but I dunno where to start with it really. Can anyone give me any pointers?
[12:38] <wig> ogra, right. well. i guess, ill go try again.
[12:38] <ogra> wig: you also need build-essential
[12:38] <wig> ogra, eh?
[12:38] <topyli> CPUhome: i switched from unstable to ubuntu at work _and_ home. it's like unstable except it's a supported release every six months
[12:39] <ogra> wig: the compiler and its tools
[12:39] <LucidVisions> ahh,,i thought it was around 600 mb of files,,i did it last month and it was 430 or so
[12:39] <wig> ogra, how do i get all that?
[12:39] <Zugot> anyone here running xinerama?
[12:39] <ogra> wig: its on the cd
[12:39] <LucidVisions> its grown considerably,,nice
[12:39] <JStrike> Ugh. XMMS. Haven't used that ugly beast is years thankfully
[12:39] <gen> xmms, ugly?
[12:39] <ogra> wig: sudo apt-get install build-essentiel
[12:39] <gen> no
[12:39] <jdub> everyone got their december calendar update?
[12:39] <ogra> wig: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:39] <wig> ogra, so, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:39] <Eraph> So uh... What do you suggest, JStrike?
[12:39] <ogra> sorry
[12:39] <CPUhome> topyli, I got 18 servers on unstable
[12:39] <crimsun> Eraph: first check that you're using the correct output driver. You can find that from Preferences->General->Output plugin
[12:39] <gen> eraph, don't listen to him
[12:39] <topyli> jdub: sure, i got it at 23:58 :)
[12:39] <ogra> wig: yep
[12:40] <wig> ogra, okay. what should i do with build-essential?
[12:40] <JStrike> Eraph : Muine
[12:40] <CPUhome> and I would be scared to move to any other thign :)
[12:40] <ogra> jdub: sweet tatoo
[12:40] <JStrike> gen : Yep. It has no constancy with any other apps
[12:40] <Eraph> Wooh! Sound!
[12:40] <gen> constancy?
[12:40] <topyli> CPUhome: with 18 servers, i'd be scared on unstable too =)
[12:40] <ogra> wig: nothing, it is the compiler.... you wanted to compile....
[12:40] <CPUhome> topyli, unstable is pretty much stable now..
[12:41] <wig> ogra, i did? o_O
[12:41] <gen> jstrike, not sure what you mean by that
[12:41] <topyli> CPUhome: it is now, when release is nigh
[12:41] <JStrike> gen : s/constancy/consistency
[12:41] <ogra> wig: if someone gets the kernel source he wants to compile obviously....
[12:41] <wig> ogra, no, i dont.
[12:41] <gen> not what i meant jstrike
[12:41] <topyli> CPUhome: it keeps close to testing
[12:41] <wig> ogra, at least, i dont think i do.
[12:41] <Eraph> Can I set a default audio output and input device for all applications?
[12:41] <gen> i mean in general, how would it not be up to date, etc
[12:41] <wig> ogra, the modem patch makefile needs a kernel source directory.
[12:41] <ogra> wig: hmmm, you wanted to compile winmodem drivers you said
[12:42] <wig> ogra, right.
[12:42] <wig> ogra, should i just shuit up and do it? :)
[12:42] <ogra> wig: this will need a compiler :)
[12:42] <ogra> wig: what kind of winmodem is it ?
[12:42] <wig> ogra, okay. does the kernel headers come with a .config file?
[12:42] <JStrike> gen : I said it was ugly. Didn't say anything about it being up to date
[12:43] <gen> so how does that relate to "constancy"
[12:43] <wig> cause when i type "make" it complains about that and something aout "'and'" ogra
[12:43] <ogra> wig: yep, i think so
[12:43] <crimsun> wig: yes.
[12:43] <ogra> wig: what kind of winmodem is it ?
[12:43] <gen> and it's not like it isn't skinnable
[12:43] <wig> ogra, lucent/agere
[12:43] <crimsun> wig: they're in /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/.config
[12:43] <crimsun> err
[12:43] <crimsun> wig: they're in /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/.config
[12:43] <ogra> wig: wait i know of a package....
[12:43] <JStrike> gen :  s/constancy/consistency
[12:44] <wig> ogra, okay.
[12:44] <JStrike> gen : The fact that it is skinnable is one of it's biggest drawbacks
[12:44] <wig> ogra, i got it to work with 2.4.22 kernel, the packages for that, but the 2.6.n needs this source thing, and i suually just give up :-P
[12:44] <gen> jstrike, i like what you're smoking
[12:44] <ogra> wig: these are ktmodem drivers ?
[12:44] <ogra> lt
[12:44] <crimsun> Eraph: Ubuntu defaults to esd
[12:45] <wig> ogra, yeah
[12:45] <crimsun> Eraph: you may choose that if you wish
[12:45] <ogra> okay...wait
[12:45] <JStrike> gen : There are reasons it wasn't included in Gnome
[12:45] <calc> nice i had to make grub install onto a floppy for stage1 to make it work at all on this box :\
[12:46] <crimsun> calc loves kgrub
[12:46] <gen> jstrike, such as?
[12:46] <gen> i'm just curious..
[12:46] <calc> appears the hpt370 used to work under grub but they purposely broke it around 2001
[12:46] <JStrike> gen : I have already mentioned the major reasons
[12:46] <Eraph> Does anyone know the location of the libALSA.so file?
[12:46] <ogra> wig:  www.vif.com/users/mzajac/ltmodem-2.6.8.1-3-386_8.31a9_i386.deb
[12:47] <JStrike> gen : That, and it still uses gtk-1
[12:47] <andril> hello all
[12:47] <wig> ogra, oh shiz.
[12:47] <topyli> gen: i woudn't call xmms exactly HIG compliant :)
[12:47] <ogra> wig: can you transfer it to the machine somehow ?
[12:47] <gen> jstrike, so what you reccomend in it's place
[12:47] <wig> ogra, yeah, i got windows to linux, and vice versa set up already
[12:47] <JStrike> gen : Muine
[12:47] <jind> Can anybody give me the name of a picture viewer in nautilus?
[12:47] <Dekkard> sa
[12:48] <ogra> jind: eog ?
[12:48] <crimsun> jind: gqview?
[12:48] <jind> Thanks
[12:48] <ogra> jind: gthumb
[12:48] <JStrike> gen : Rhythmbox is also good if you like that sort of thing
[12:48] <Dekkard> maybe/usr/lib/ao/plugins-2/libalsa09.so
[12:48] <wig> ogra, thanks a lot man
[12:48] <gen> talk about ugly, you just named it (rhythmbox)
[12:48] <topyli> jind: eog handles the nautilus view iirc
[12:48] <gen> will try muine, thanks for the suggestion
[12:49] <jind> Alright, maybe that's what I want since I want to run as pure gnome as I can
[12:49] <ogra> wig: hope it works
[12:49] <jdub> topyli: not in 2.9 (nautilus no longer has views)
[12:49] <wig> ogra, haha, me too
[12:49] <GotD0t> how do you count the number of files in a directory?
[12:49] <ogra> wig: install it with sudo dpkg -i
[12:49] <andril> does anyone know how to get the side window in Nautilus?
[12:49] <ogra> wig: i havent tested it...it was posted to the mailing list :)
[12:50] <topyli> jdub: oh? so can we enjoy a faster nautilus in 2.10? :)
[12:50] <jdub> andril: use the browser mode
[12:50] <jdub> topyli: yes
[12:50] <Dekkard> click on browse folder
[12:50] <topyli> figures
[12:50] <wig> ogra, :-P what should i test it with? pppconfig or wvdial?
[12:50] <|QuaD|> so NOOOO one uses gdesklets?!?!?!?!?!
[12:51] <ogra> wig: as you like...wait, i have another link, i will dig it up
[12:51] <wig> ogra, okay
[12:51] <Eraph> Alrighty, I'm trying to use TeamSpeak, but it doesn't want to work with my speakers/microphone. Any ideas?
[12:51] <topyli> |QuaD|: i feel your pain :)
[12:51] <calc> i think i found an explanation of why grub breaks, will have to test it and forward it to the bts to have it documented in the docs
[12:51] <calc> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2004-07/msg00113.html
[12:52] <bob2> |QuaD|: lots of people probably do
[12:52] <bob2> |QuaD|: if someone doesn't answer your specific question, it just means they don't know
[12:52] <bob2> |QuaD|: try asking on the list
[12:52] <GotD0t> i have 1435 files in /dev/ somehow that doesn't seem corret
[12:52] <mcphail> Hi there. Has anyone managed to get a Realtek RTL8180 mini PCI card working under ndiswrapper?
[12:52] <bob2> GotD0t: that's way too many for udev
[12:53] <|QuaD|> bob2: yeah... i am going to do that, i was just wondering why i keep getting the error "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'create'"
[12:53] <GotD0t> bob2: exactly what i thought...
[12:53] <|QuaD|> when i try to add a displa
[12:53] <|QuaD|> y
[12:53] <bob2> |QuaD|: sounds like a bug, try on the list
[12:53] <ogra> wig: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/004470.html
[12:53] <ogra> wig: start at the end of point 2
[12:53] <|QuaD|> do i have to subscribe to the list to post on it?
[12:54] <bob2> |QuaD|: no
[12:54] <wig> ogra, okay
[12:54] <wig> ogra, can't.
[12:54] <wig> ogra, the tar.gz is gone
[12:54] <GotD0t> bob2: any clue on why this happened, if its bad, and how i can fix it?
[12:54] <|QuaD|> is there a way to search the list?
[12:54] <ogra> wig: start with the _last line_ of point 2
[12:55] <wig> ogra, oh, lol
[12:55] <bob2> GotD0t: no idea
[12:55] <ogra> *g*
[12:55] <wig> ogra, im stupid, sorry :-P
[12:55] <bob2> |QuaD|: yes, on the website in the topic
[12:55] <wig> thanks man
[12:55] <bob2> GotD0t: what have you changed from the default systyem?
[12:55] <ogra> :)
[12:55] <wig> ogra, i owe you so much.
[12:55] <ogra> youre welcome
[12:56] <wig> ogra, im off to try it.
[12:56] <GotD0t> bob2: well im running hoary, and it happened after i did an update for hoary
[12:56] <ogra> go on ... i'll get to sleep in the next minutes
[12:56] <ogra> wig
[12:56] <bob2> GotD0t: well, you should know how to debug it then ;)
[12:56] <wig> ogra, yeah?
[12:56] <GotD0t> bob2: this is completely strange to me, i've no clue where to start
[12:56] <andril> does anyone know how to add icons (home,drives and such) to the desktop?
[12:56] <ogra> wig: 00:56 here
[12:56] <wig> ogra, o_O
[12:57] <ixus_123> andril:  try drag & drop from the menu
[12:57] <|QuaD|> bob2 i am looking, don't see how to search though
[12:57] <GotD0t> andril right click on desktop and click on create launcher
[12:57] <wig> ogra, what do you mean?
[12:57] <bob2> |QuaD|: maybe gmane.org then
[12:58] <ogra> wig: <ogra> go on ... i'll get to sleep in the next minutes
[12:58] <wig> ogra, ahhhh
[12:58] <mcphail> andril - apps -> system tools -> conf editor then search for nautilus in the options
[12:58] <CPUhome> is there a cdburner that comes with the liveCD ?
[12:58] <CPUhome> cdrecord (else than this)
[12:58] <wig> ogra, gonna go. then
[12:58] <ogra> yep
[12:58] <andril> tahnks all :)
[12:59] <mcphail> Anyone got a wirless card to work under ndiswrapper?
[12:59] <CPUhome> me
[01:00] <CPUhome> on slackware
[01:00] <CPUhome> but I also had to fix the dsdt tables
[01:00] <CPUhome> http://auto-net.sf.net .. I think my doc is there..
[01:01] <mcphail> CPUhome - I've followed all the docs, but when I run ifup eth0 I don't get an IP from DHCP. My router LED flashes though, and I can see it on iwscan
[01:01] <ogra> CPUhome: nautilus burns cds
[01:01] <CPUhome> ogra, iso's that I could make bootable ?
[01:02] <ogra> mcphail: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[01:02] <mcphail> CPUhome: have you tried rigt-clicking the iso? Worked for me
[01:03] <ogra> CPUhome: just right click
[01:03] <CPUhome> no I didnt try, I'm just wondering
[01:03] <CPUhome> ok thanks :)
[01:04] <andril> thanks all
[01:04] <EfaistOs> is there some developpers because i upgraded my ssytem and now nothing is working ... when the system boots /proc is not mounted, /dev too, etc ... really weird
[01:04] <ogra> mcphail: did you use the ubuntu package ?
[01:04] <mcphail> Thanx ogra, but followed the howto already. Everything going well (module loaded, card configured) until ifup,
[01:04] <mcphail> Using the ubuntu package
[01:04] <bob2> EfaistOs: ask on the list
[01:04] <ogra> mcphail: tried a fixed ip ?
[01:05] <mcphail> Yes. No joy. My router lists the card's MAC, but my card doesn't communicate
[01:05] <ogra> mcphail: your WEP is right ?
[01:05] <mcphail> Yes. And I've tried without WEP
[01:05] <ogra> hmm
[01:07] <mcphail> Maybe problem with windows driver?
[01:07] <Nivlem> I would like to thank all the Ubuntu folks that have created Ubuntu...the upgrade to Hoary wasn't too bad either! It is the ultimate distro for NewWorld Macs....
[01:08] <ogra> Nivlem: but be careful with hoary .... its fragile  ;)
[01:10] <Nivlem> ogra: that is how I will learn more about the specifics of Ubuntu..  ;-))
[01:11] <andril> has anyone updated to Firefox 1.0? I can't get it throuh Synaptics
[01:11] <ogra> andril: its not in warty
[01:11] <Nivlem> ogra: one aside though...I couldn't get all the way into gnome...it brought up the background and panels..that was all...I found out in another VC that for some reason it thought my firewire harddrive was using a ntfs filesystem...just unplugged and booted back in..all is well...have to mount from console..
[01:11] <andril> ogr: thanks
[01:11] <mcphail> I'm using 1.0 from the mozilla site.
[01:11] <andril> ogra: thanks
[01:12] <andril> i noticed that they were able to make installer for Firefox 1.0 but how can I replace the preinstalled beta?
[01:13] <mcphail> installed into home directory, and changed /usr/bin/firefox to a simlink to the new binary
[01:14] <mcphail> make sure to install Realplayer etc first.
[01:14] <andril> mcphail: makes sence thanks!
[01:14] <andril> yeah Real Player!!! gotta get that
[01:15] <andril> anyone have the link to install java
[01:15] <ogra> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[01:15] <mcphail> root@ubuntu:/home/neil # ifup wlan0
[01:15] <mcphail> Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.1rc14
[01:15] <mcphail> Copyright 2004 Internet Systems Consortium.
[01:15] <mcphail> All rights reserved.
[01:15] <mcphail> For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/products/DHCP
[01:15] <mcphail> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[01:15] <mcphail> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[01:16] <mcphail> Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:20:e0:d0:ec:5b
[01:16] <mcphail> Sending on   LPF/wlan0/00:20:e0:d0:ec:5b
[01:16] <mcphail> Sending on   Socket/fallback
[01:16] <mcphail> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
[01:16] <mcphail> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
[01:16] <mcphail> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9
[01:16] <wig> ogra, you here?
[01:16] <mcphail> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 14
[01:16] <mcphail> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 17
[01:16] <mcphail> DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 9
[01:16] <mcphail> No DHCPOFFERS received.
[01:16] <mcphail> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[01:16] <mcphail> Oops - sorry about above! 2 things at once...
[01:16] <ogra> mcphail: STOP
[01:16] <bob2> mcphail: please
[01:16] <ogra> wig: did it work ?
[01:17] <drac> mcphail, is there any dhcp server on your lan ?
[01:17] <wig> ogra, no, the headers were wrong.
[01:17] <wig> ogra, it had 2.5.99 or something.
[01:17] <wig> when i tried to apt-get from the cdrom, said it couldn't find it
[01:17] <resiak> Please, humour a debian user who advised a friend to use ubuntu, and then discovered that his sound was borken: what happened to alsaconf?
[01:17] <ogra> wig: what for ? you had the ltmodem deb
[01:17] <EfaistOs> is it normal that the control volume applet is not available for the panel  ?
[01:17] <mcphail> drac: Yes. Works fine for eth0
[01:17] <bob2> resiak: what would you use it for?
[01:17] <wig> ogra, i assumed it need the headers first.
[01:17] <bob2> EfaistOs: if your sound is broken, yes
[01:17] <EfaistOs> and the weather applet too
[01:17] <wig> ogra, or else you or him wouldn't have mentioned it, right?
[01:17] <ogra> wig: nope, just follow the mail
[01:17] <EfaistOs> bob2, no sound is okay
[01:18] <bob2> EfaistOs: are you using hoary?
[01:18] <ogra> wig: nope, that was for building the deb....
[01:18] <EfaistOs> yes
[01:18] <wig> ogra, al right then.
[01:18] <resiak> bob2: ...configuring alsa? This was only a passing question...
[01:18] <bob2> EfaistOs: well there you go, it's expected to be broken
[01:18] <ogra> wig: just install it
[01:18] <ogra> hrm,
[01:18] <EfaistOs> bob2, really bad :-(
[01:18] <bob2> resiak: 'configureing'? how so?
[01:18] <ogra> resiak: no need for alsaconf...
[01:19] <bob2> EfaistOs: this is why you don't upgrade to development releases if you need your machine to work
[01:19] <EfaistOs> bob2, everything worked well before this fucking upgrade
[01:19] <resiak> bob2: Picking what driver to use, etc. I take it that the idea is that everything configures itself?
[01:19] <ogra> resiak: alsa works if the right modules are loaded .....
[01:19] <EfaistOs> bob2, is it a way to downgrade the pkgs ?
[01:19] <bob2> EfaistOs: yes, welcome to the development version of hoary
[01:19] <bob2> EfaistOs: no
[01:19] <ogra> resiak: which should happen b default
[01:19] <ogra> by
[01:19] <bob2> resiak: yes, it loads the modules automatically
[01:19] <resiak> ogra: Fair enough.
[01:20] <resiak> bob2: Which implies that this guy had some weird chip?
[01:20] <resiak> bob2: Because his sound sure as hell didn't work.
[01:20] <bob2> resiak: was an alsa module loaded?
[01:20] <ogra> resiak: sometimes winmodem drivers are loaded first and block the device though.....
[01:20] <bob2> resiak: yeah, does it have more than one souncd card/tv card?
[01:21] <resiak> bob2, ogra: I didn't check at length. The winmodem stuff sounds likely: that happened on my (similar) laptop. Thanks; I was only wondering.
[01:22] <ogra> resiak: snd-intel8x0m is a good candidate to break your sound :)
[01:22] <bob2> resiak: the simplest solution is to blacklist the tv card/modme module in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[01:22] <nictuku> what would you consider top-priority for translations? wiki? not-wiki site? documentation? *packages?
[01:22] <andril> was i just hacked
[01:23] <resiak> ogra, bob2: Blacklisting snd-intel8x0m was exactly what I had to do, and so I should have thought of that. I was tired, it was late... Ta :)
[01:23] <ogra> heh
[01:23] <bob2> you're welcome
[01:23] <ogra> it should get blacklisted by default
[01:24] <resiak> It should, if you
[01:24] <resiak> 're going for Just Working(tm) ;)
[01:28] <carsonc> Can anybody tell me if there's a GNOME equivalent to OS X's TeXShop or KDE's kile?  I've looked via Google and apt-cache, but I don't see anything.
[01:28] <carsonc> Am I just missing something?
[01:28] <bob2> emacs.
[01:29] <carsonc> Somebody had to say it, I guess
[01:29] <carsonc> Yes, I know emacs has a TeX mode, but I've already got one religion; I don't need another.  :)
[01:29] <jazzka> is there any way to reset the sound controller?
[01:30] <marcellus> Why not use Kile hen? Or TeXmacs.
[01:31] <carsonc> I could use kile; I just don't like its interface.  I've never been a fan of KDE apps, and Kile itself seems to have issues with being cluttered in addition to the normal KDE woes
[01:31] <marcellus> Are there galeon packages available for amd64 somewhere?
[01:31] <ogra> carsonc: does lyx still exist ?
[01:32] <mcphail> Lyx is very good
[01:32] <carsonc> Lyx exists, but its interface is either Qt or XForms.
[01:32] <carsonc> Okay, I'll admit it:  What I really want is a TeXShop clone :)
[01:33] <ogra> carsonc: write one ;) python is easy to learn
[01:34] <carsonc> ogra:  Tell you what, I'll write it, if you'll write this 10,000-word article on the Politics of Japanese Democracy since 1955 :)
[01:36] <ogra> carsonc: send over the raw material ;) but dont expect working grammar, i'm german
[01:36] <wig> ogra, can i send you a text file?
[01:37] <ogra> wig: try it... i dunno if my router lets you
[01:37] <escoz> does anybody knows a better gtk mysql manager than mysqlcc ?
[01:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> last time I checked mysqlcc was qt
[01:38] <Hrdwr_BoB> but no
[01:38] <wig> ogra, i get that erros when i try to do it.
[01:38] <JStrike> escoz : There aren't any good ones that I know of
[01:39] <JStrike> BTW, why is emacs part of ubuntu-desktop now?
[01:39] <Cloudchaser> does anyone here use cedega for games?
[01:39] <wig> ogra, i got no clue what it all means
[01:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> Cloudchaser: yes
[01:39] <JStrike> Cloudchaser : I have used it before
[01:40] <ogra> wig: looks good....
[01:40] <Cloudchaser> i tried a game and it didn't work and i got it to work with wine
[01:40] <wig> ogra, didn't you see the errors?
[01:40] <Cloudchaser> now i want to uninstall it from cedega
[01:40] <wig> ogra, when i did the checkout utility, it said lt_modem.ko or something isn't installed.
[01:40] <Cloudchaser> do i just remove the directory where the game is installed in cedega?
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's what I would do
[01:40] <Cloudchaser> or is there a way to uninstall it?
[01:40] <JStrike> Cloudchaser : Well, cedega comes with support for all the games that are listed to work. Why dont you ask them?
[01:41] <ogra> wig: checkout ?
[01:41] <ogra> ah
[01:41] <wig> ogra, at the very bottom it says checkout utility
[01:41] <wig> yeah
[01:41] <JStrike> Cloudchaser : There should be a link in Point2Play or whatever it is called
[01:42] <ogra> wig: did you try modprobe lt_serial ?
[01:42] <Cloudchaser> thanks ;)
[01:42] <wig> ogra, yep.
[01:42] <ogra> wig: like the mailtext said
[01:42] <wig> ogra, says it isn't there.
[01:42] <ogra> wig: and lsmod
[01:42] <wig> ogra, Try modprobe lt_serial to see if the driver loads without error. You
[01:42] <calc> cool the system works, moving stage1_5 fixed grub :)
[01:42] <wig> can then use lsmod to see if lt_serial and lt_modem are loaded.
[01:43] <wig> i assumed if modprobe didn't work, then lsmod wouldn't matter :-P
[01:43] <wig> ogra, how could i fix those errors?
[01:44] <ogra> wig: tra to create the dir /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ltmodem it seems the package didnt create it .... or at least expects it to be there....
[01:45] <ogra> try
[01:45] <wig> chown: failed to get attributes of
[01:45] <wig> `/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-386/ltmodem    it doesn't sound like a directory, but more like a file? ogra
[01:45] <ogra> wig: nope, see the next line
[01:46] <wig>  /usr/share/doc/ltmodem-2.6.8.1-3-386/LTinstall.txt': Operation not permitted   what about that one? ogra
[01:46] <ogra> wig: i guess it wants to place the binarys in there
[01:46] <wig> The modem symbolic link is:  /dev/modem -->
[01:46] <wig> /dev/ttyLT0
[01:46] <wig> grep: /etc/modprobe.conf   and then that one, i mean, wtf. why is everything no there? ogra
[01:46] <ogra> wig: not important, but you could create that too
[01:46] <ogra> wig: modprobe.conf isnt used... dont worry
[01:47] <wig> alright, ill try.
[01:49] <Can0beans> So can anyone help me with Nautilus question?  I would really like to add the location bar to my nautilus and for the life of me -- I can't figure out how
[01:50] <JStrike> Can0beans : Open it in browser mode
[01:50] <Can0beans> how?
[01:50] <JStrike> Right click a folder and choose
[01:50] <Can0beans> ah....is there away to make that the default?
[01:51] <mcphail> Can0beans: Applications -> System Tools ->Configuration Editor
[01:51] <mcphail> -> apps -> nautilus
[01:51] <JStrike> Yes. There should be a gconf-key
[01:51] <JStrike> What mcphail said
[01:52] <Can0beans> I'll have to poke around in there
[01:52] <Can0beans> see if I can find it
[01:52] <mcphail> -> preferences -> always_use_browser
[01:52] <Can0beans> got iy
[01:52] <Can0beans> it
[01:52] <Can0beans> thanks!
[02:00] <jbe> hi
[02:00] <wig> ogra, can i send you another error file?
[02:01] <ogra> wig: go on
[02:01] <jbe> how to get rid of lines scratchs while moving mouse
[02:02] <ogra> wig: that was the same one
[02:03] <wig> i know
[02:03] <wig> plus the checkout utility, ogra
[02:03] <wig> ogra, to show you that it's not doing anything.
[02:04] <toothpick> I put ubuntu on a 28 gig partition...ext3...can I resize that partition without data loss so I can put another linux distro on my system?
[02:04] <jcole> ubuntu "includes latest X" but doesn't include latest DRI? http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk-unstable
[02:04] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[02:05] <toothpick> Hrdwr_BoB, with qtparted?
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> jcole: well technically ubuntu includes an old version of X
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> toothpick: or just parted, but yes
[02:05] <toothpick> ok thanks.
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> toothpick: though not while you are using it
[02:05] <wig> ogra, see what i mean?
[02:05] <toothpick> I'll boot with a live cd.
[02:05] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah that should be fine
[02:06] <ogra> wig: i'm not sure if the package you downloaded was compiled on a recent warty.....wait....i got another one
[02:06] <toothpick> I like ubuntu...but I want a partition for remastering live cd's.
[02:06] <JStrike> Why would you want 2 linux distro's ?
[02:06] <JStrike> AH
[02:06] <ogra> wig: http://www.grawert.net/ltmodem-2.6.8.1-3-386_8.31a8_i386.deb
[02:06] <jcole> JStrike: in case you screw the other one up
[02:07] <Sensebend> that's what a livecd is for
[02:07] <Sensebend> lol
[02:07] <wig> ogra, okay. thanks.
[02:07] <ogra> wig: uninstall the old one bfore
[02:07] <wig> ogra, how do i got about that?
[02:07] <wig> go*
[02:08] <ogra> wig: dpkg -r --purge ltmodem-2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:08] <wig> ogra, should it reall be this: ltmodem-2.6.8.1-3-386_8.31a9_i386.deb
[02:09] <wig> ?
[02:09] <jcole> i actually fudged a module to load at boot *today* that gave me a kernel panic everytime i rebooted
[02:09] <ogra> wig: nope...
[02:09] <wig> ogra, okay.
[02:09] <wig> alright, here i go again
[02:09] <ReptiX> were is FIREFOX MOZILLA located in
[02:09] <ReptiX> so i can upgrade
[02:09] <ReptiX> and were is the apache configs and dir
[02:10] <quackking> extreme IRC noobie here. I dont even know how to type correctly but I do have a question.
[02:10] <Q-FUNK> silly question, but well:  how do I configure the background to use the monthly calendar picture?
[02:10] <jcole> ReptiX: "which firefox"
[02:10] <Hrdwr_BoB> quackking: press the keys on the keyboard ;)
[02:10] <quackking> I want to install the HEAD Horde framework on a Warty box.
[02:10] <ogra> :)
[02:10] <ReptiX> the one included in ubuntu
[02:10] <jcole> lol
[02:10] <quackking> hehe 0- I can type OK
[02:11] <quackking> anyway there is no php4-imap support which is a real bummer
[02:11] <jcole> ReptiX: type this at a prompt "which firefox"
[02:11] <quackking> has anybody got any hints about getting php-imap support?
[02:12] <quackking> i have tried enabling universe and multiverse but this provides no packages
[02:12] <quackking> and there is a place called dotdeb which i cannot seem to get working...
[02:13] <ReptiX> ok
[02:13] <cardador> quackking: firefox has a search field for google, but you can change it to debian
[02:15] <quackking> cardador: how do I do that, and what will that do for me?
[02:16] <Porsche-Boy> what did the guy say to his parents when he was raped by a woman?
[02:16] <ogra> quackking: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/006591.html
[02:16] <cardador> quackking: you can search for debs that way
[02:17] <ogra> quackking: explains it a bit
[02:18] <ReptiX> /home/reptix/Desktop/Unreal3.2
[02:18] <ReptiX> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:18] <ReptiX> i get that while installing unreal ircd
[02:18] <ReptiX> why?
[02:18] <|QuaD|> is there a wildcard for apt-get install?
[02:18] <ReptiX> and how do i gix this please
[02:18] <ogra> ReptiX: install build-essential
[02:18] <Quest-Master> How can I change the system path to Python?
[02:18] <bancus> Does the ubuntu installer require network access?
[02:19] <ogra> bancus: nope
[02:19] <Quest-Master> I think it has something do with $PATH
[02:19] <bancus> ogra, cool, thanks
[02:19] <bancus> oh, one more question
[02:19] <Quest-Master> There might be a file which has all of the $PATHs I think
[02:19] <bancus> does ubuntu support reiser3 out of the box?
[02:19] <Quest-Master> Anyone know what that might be?
[02:19] <ReptiX> how ogra
[02:19] <ogra> bancus: not sure ...
[02:19] <jcole> |QuaD|: that is a good question, but i don't think so... you may need to use "apt-cache search --names-only {whatever}" in conjunction
[02:19] <ogra> ReptiX: use synaptic
[02:19] <ReptiX> install build-essential ?? how
[02:20] <ReptiX> ok
[02:20] <quackking> ogra: I can see that php-imap is not there (in universe) but is there any way I can get it installed?
[02:20] <cbpye> anyone here using xorg?
[02:20] <Quest-Master> ogra, would you have any idea? :D
[02:21] <SporcusPorcus> what an unoriginal sn
[02:21] <escoz> just to know.. anyone from brazil here?
[02:21] <ogra> Quest-Master: i dont understand what you want ? the pythin interpreter ins in /usr/bin which is in your path already
[02:21] <ReptiX> thanks
[02:21] <ogra> python
[02:21] <Quest-Master> There is a Python 2.2 and a Python 2.3
[02:21] <Quest-Master> I want it to lead to the 2.3 (it might be already, but I want to be positive since I've been experiencing many problems
[02:22] <jcole> quackking: it's not there, you're right... if you look at the depends for example aeromail, it needs php4-imap
[02:22] <ReptiX> how do i get kernal soruce?
[02:22] <netdur> use "#!/usr/bin/env python"
[02:22] <ogra> ogra@monkey:~ $ file /usr/bin/python
[02:22] <ogra> /usr/bin/python: symbolic link to `python2.3'
[02:23] <Quest-Master> Ah
[02:23] <quackking> jcole: you are dead on, dude. but this bad news leaves me up the creek.
[02:23] <Quest-Master> What the.. this is weird
[02:23] <Quest-Master> In KDE, I could open my files and edit them, I can't in Gnome
[02:23] <quackking> what this means is that it is not really possible to run a Horde (or any php-imap) app on an ubuntu box
[02:24] <riddley> how can I disable (the apparently broken) libmikmod in xmms? xmms won't load because of libmikmod and I have no use for it.
[02:24] <ogra> riddley: it is not broken..... you got an nvidia card i guess
[02:25] <riddley> hehe yea, why does that matter?
[02:25] <ogra> riddley: look at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:25] <riddley> I won't be playing mikmod's...
[02:25] <riddley> ok
[02:25] <jcole> quackking: add this to your sources.list "deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool php4" then "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:25] <netdur> riddley, try bmp
[02:25] <ogra> jcole: dist-upgrade ??
[02:25] <Quest-Master> Weird.
[02:26] <riddley> ogra it it me, or is the ubuntu bugzilla's search not working... i tried earlier today and nothing...
[02:26] <Quest-Master> Anyone know why Gnome is only doing stuff from my Windows partition as read-only?
[02:26] <jcole> ogra: bad idea? i've got a ton of external sources and my practice is always to dist-upgrade
[02:27] <ogra> jcole:look at the apt-get manpage ... i think upgrade is better here (even i would not recommend installing debian binary packages)
[02:27] <quackking> jcole: do I disable all the other sources in sources.list?
[02:28] <jcole> quackking: NO
[02:28] <rhizo> could someone point me at a resource explaining advantages of ubuntu over "plain" debian ?
[02:28] <riddley> netdur doesn't look like there's a bmp package for amd64
[02:28] <riddley> Yea, I can't find anything on the ubuntu bugzilla
[02:28] <jcole> quackking: let me try 1st... i'll give you the result on my system...
[02:28] <ogra> riddley: its called beep-media-player
[02:28] <phlaegel> anybody know where the libdbus-cil package is? I had it installed until moving to hoary, now can't find it to reinstall.
[02:29] <quackking> jcole,: Thanks - ok, do I issue two different apt-get commands? (sorry, newbie)
[02:29] <JStrike> rhizo : Look at the ubuntu website
[02:29] <rhizo> JStrike: could you be more specific please (url) ? :)
[02:29] <JStrike> phlaegel : It was in a private repo. He doesn't have Hoary packages
[02:29] <phlaegel> JStrike: tsengs?
[02:30] <JStrike> rhizo : How on earth did you find the ubuntu irc channel and not the website?
[02:30] <quackking> jcole: also, as a newb, i kinda like the synaptic view - should I use the cli or can i indulge and use synaptic?
[02:30] <riddley> aah installing libmikmod2 fixed
[02:30] <JStrike> phlaegel : yep
[02:30] <JStrike> quackking : You can use synaptic
[02:30] <rhizo> JStrike: i didn't; the site came first, next i requested the disks, then joined #here
[02:30] <phlaegel> didn't most of his packages move to universe?
[02:31] <quackking> jstrike: thx.
[02:31] <JStrike> rhizo : well, take a look through the site
[02:31] <phlaegel> I don't see the dbus package when browing his site
[02:31] <jcole> quackking: ya, you can use synaptic.. fyi "smart upgrade" in synaptic is equivalent to "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:31] <ogra> riddley i find a lot: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=bugs.resolution%2C+relevance+desc&bug_status=__all__&product=&content=xmms
[02:31] <JStrike> phlaegel : Some. Not all iirc
[02:31] <Orcrist> hello all
[02:31] <JStrike> hrm..maybe I am wrong. Remember seeing it though
[02:31] <rhizo> JStrike: i could do without redundant advice like that, thank you
[02:31] <sladen> quackking: two different apt-get commands?   like    apt-get install emacs vim  ?
[02:32] <Orcrist> anyone installed the ubuntu mplayer package under warty?
[02:32] <JStrike> rhizo : That is what the website is for
[02:32] <bancus> ogra, googling seems to indicate that ubuntu supports reiser 3.6 from installation, for future reference
[02:32] <bancus> thanks for your help
[02:32] <phlaegel> is anybody running tomboy in hoary?
[02:32] <Orcrist> when I try to run mplayer, it just starts up then disappears
[02:32] <JStrike> phlaegel : It might have been removed since he didn't package beagle or any of the apps that use dbus#
[02:32] <JStrike> phlaegel : I am
[02:33] <phlaegel> and it runs ok without dbus#
[02:33] <phlaegel> ?
[02:33] <phlaegel> mine dies
[02:33] <JStrike> phlaegel : Yep
[02:33] <phlaegel> hm
[02:33] <JStrike> Dont think it needs it
[02:33] <quackking> sladen: no, but jcole had two different apt-get commands separated by && (40 lines back)
[02:33] <phlaegel> I know it's optional, so I kinda wish it wouldn't crash without it :-)
[02:33] <jcole> quackking: ok, i've installed php4-imap successfully
[02:33] <Ruffian|Q|> i ordered all the parts necesary for a new computer.  I am getting the DVD-ROM instead of the CD-ROM.  Will it just work?  Or once Linux is installed will I have to download CODECS or something?
[02:34] <sladen> Ruffian|Q|: DVD drives just show up like big CD drives
[02:34] <JStrike> phlaegel : Let me check if I have dbus# installed
[02:34] <Ruffian|Q|> so it will work?
[02:34] <quackking> jcole: ok - I have edited the apt sources. Here I go..
[02:35] <phlaegel> JStrike: never mind... I was running a local build by mistake. oops.
[02:35] <sladen> Ruffian|Q|: to play encrypted DVD movies, you'll need the decss stuff and mpeg playing stuff
[02:35] <Ruffian|Q|> sladen, and what would those be?
[02:35] <JStrike> phlaegel : :-)
[02:35] <jcole> quackking: looks like there is no need to "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade" either :)
[02:35] <wig> ogra, came close
[02:36] <wig> ogra, couple problems though.
[02:36] <jcole> quackking: no conflicts with ubuntu binaries :)
[02:36] <ogra> wig: tell me....
[02:36] <wig> ogra, that thing you sent me, i cant do the whole step 3 thing
[02:36] <wig> ogra, but i dont even think that's the problem
[02:36] <wig> ogra, when i do the wvdial, it says for /dev/modem "invalid arguement" and "device resource busy or..." something else
[02:37] <sladen> Ruffian|Q|: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:37] <ogra> wig: but the drivers load ?
[02:37] <quackking> jcole: i done did it. and it looks good. it installed four things total.
[02:37] <wig> ogra, yeah
[02:37] <ogra> wig: i.e. lsmod
[02:37] <wig> ogra, yeah, they're there
[02:37] <ogra> great !
[02:37] <wig> haha, yea
[02:38] <Orcrist> anyone had a problem with mplayer under warty?
[02:38] <jcole> quackking: cool, good luck
[02:38] <Orcrist> it starts up and then disappears... it never fully intitializes
[02:38] <ogra> wig: did you do the udev part ?
[02:38] <wig> ogra, yea
[02:39] <|QuaD|> hey, i need help with gkrellm, i am monitoring my eth0 card, and it tells me input and output, but i want an exact number for each, how do i do that
[02:39] <ogra> wig: and rebooted (or restarted udev...but im not sure if thats enough)
[02:39] <jcole> Orcrist: fyi, mplayer/mencoder from debian marillat sources have always been buggy (just learned this myself)... best to rebuild from source... mplayer sources are debian friendly
[02:39] <Ruffian|Q|> sladen, so all I need is some pluggins to play DVDs, and other than that it will work just like any normal CD-ROM right?
[02:39] <wig> ogra, i didn't reboot, but i couldn't even copy the ttyLT0 from /dev to /modem, so it wouldn't matter
[02:40] <wig> ogra, ttyLT0 wont let me copy it.
[02:40] <Orcrist> jcole, thank you
[02:40] <sladen> Ruffian|Q|: data DVDs work just like a CD-ROM, yes
[02:41] <Ruffian|Q|> and I can use the normal warty CD to install it right?
[02:41] <sladen> Ruffian|Q|: yes
[02:41] <ogra> wig: use pppconfig and select /dev/ttyLT0 as the modem device
[02:41] <wig> ogra, think that will work?
[02:41] <ogra> wig: that /dev/modem stuff is just cosmetic
[02:42] <wig> ogra, yeah, just a sym link
[02:42] <lil_anthony> is there a way to get sound with flashmedia? or is that just a dream of mine :)
[02:43] <ogra> i have to go to bed now..... i think you will get it working, the hardest part is done now :)
[02:43] <wig> ogra, lol, alright.
[02:43] <wig> ogra, thanks for the help man
[02:43] <ogra> :)
[02:43] <ogra> night all
[02:43] <jcole> night ogra
[02:44] <jcole> Orcrist: i think you can even actually "apt-get source mplayer" from ubuntu sources...
[02:45] <Orcrist> well jcole, I used synaptic
[02:45] <mrprope1> I have Ubuntu setup in VMWare.  For some reason, when I look at the update manager, there aren't any updates.
[02:45] <Orcrist> and it said it was an ubuntu package
[02:45] <Orcrist> so won't that be compiled from the same sources?
[02:46] <shingoki> I was just wondering - does anyone know if the wacom (input tablet pen thingy) issues will be fixed in hoary?
[02:47] <Zugot> ubuntu's xinerma is blowing me real bad
[02:47] <Amaranth> who was working on a new wine package?
[02:48] <jcole> Orcrist: well mplayer being "freely distributed" has always been a hairy thing... that's why most distros do not include it... compiling from sources always works for me... i need to learn if the wizards at ubuntu have a trick for mplayer like they do with java
[02:48] <shingoki> the marillat stuff works fine for me, mplayer just installs and works
[02:48] <Zugot> jcole, there is a deb for mplayer floating around
[02:48] <Zugot> yeah marillat
[02:49] <shingoki> I've been doing recording of TV to disc, playback, works nicely
[02:49] <jcole> you *cannot* successfully encode movies in simple divx with marillat sources... you have to rebuild from source
[02:50] <shingoki> fair enough
[02:50] <shingoki> I use mpeg4
[02:50] <rhizo> 63+
[02:50] <jcole> alot of the lavc codec stuff does not work
[02:50] <jcole> unless you recompile of course
[02:50] <drac> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/2004/11/24/
[02:50] <shingoki> ah well, the stuff I have done with mpeg4 works, so I'm happy. Would be nice if there was an ubuntu mplayer compiled right in multiverse then
[02:51] <drac> shingoki, do a package
[02:51] <Nivlem> I can't figure out why streamripper won't write to my firewire drive that is mounted under /media/music...here are the permissions..anyone explain why ? drwxrwxrwx  1   99      99     5 2004-11-23 16:57 Streams
[02:51] <drac> it's not very difficult
[02:51] <drac> install dh-make
[02:51] <Orcrist> jcole
[02:51] <Orcrist> oen more question
[02:51] <shingoki> drac: too difficult for me ;) Anyway, that wouldn't help anyone else
[02:52] <Orcrist> should I uninstall the mplayer I've installed before compiling these sources?
[02:52] <Orcrist> btw apt-get source mplayer worked just fine
[02:53] <quackking> jcole: thanks a million. this fixed my problem. excellent!
[02:53] <jcole> Orcrist: try "apt-get build-dep mplayer" to see if you have what it takes to compile it
[07:52] (Cam-/#ubuntu) and I cant find w32codecs in any of the repositories
[07:52] <|QuaD|> Cam-: are you using gstreamer or xine
[07:52] <deFrysk> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[07:52] <Cam-> gstreamer
[07:52] <Cam-> for totem
[07:52] <deFrysk> for w32 codecs
[07:53] <wig> anyone know where the modprobe.conf is on ubuntu?
[07:53] <Cam-> it loads in mplayer but wont play sound coz its ac3
[07:53] <|QuaD|> Cam-: can i reccomend using totem-xine
[07:53] <|QuaD|> instead
[07:54] <Cam-> i can try it :)
[07:54] <Cam-> sure
[07:54] <Cam-> xine supports xvid?
[07:54] <melazyboy> What is the mount command that specifies locales
[07:54] <|QuaD|> yeah
[07:55] <|QuaD|> xine>gstreamer imho
[07:55] <Cam-> sure ill try it after i install w32codecs
[07:55] <melazyboy> The best player for someone not willing to twink is by far 'vlc'
[07:55] <|QuaD|> Cam-: thats a waste
[07:55] <Cam-> waste?
[07:55] <Cam-> just use xine?
[07:55] <tommie_> hmm, anybody know how to make xmms dock with a bottom gnome panel? seems to just go under it
[07:55] <|QuaD|> why put foreign ackages on ur comp if you don't need to
[07:56] <Amaranth> melazyboy: yeah, its a shame vlc looks like ass :P
[07:57] <wig> where is the modprob.conf on ubuntu?
[07:57] <Cam-> err, but synaptic wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:57] <melazyboy> Amaranth: the vidoe player's skin hardly matters when being played in full screen, and when not in full skin its a small ugly as compaired to other video players big bulky ugly
[07:57] <wig> modprobe.conf*
[07:57] <|QuaD|> Cam-: ?
[07:57] <Cam-> heh, when trying to install totem-xine
[07:57] <Cam-> and the xine lib
[07:57] <Amaranth> totem isn't ugly
[07:58] <Cam-> it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[07:58] <Amaranth> it's nice and simple
[07:58] <deFrysk> Cam-, not to worry , its a mata pack
[07:58] <deFrysk> meta
[07:58] <Amaranth> Cam-: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, it doesn't actually remove anything
[07:58] <Cam-> okay thats good
[07:58] <Cam-> :)
[07:58] <|QuaD|> sudo apt-get remove totem-gstreamer
[07:58] <|QuaD|> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[07:58] <|QuaD|> that should work
[07:58] <jdub> you don't need to remove it first
[07:59] <Amaranth> if you remove it then totem gets removed too
[07:59] <Amaranth> just install totem-xine and it'll replace totem-gstreamer
[07:59] <wig> hey
[07:59] <Cam-> |QuaD| : im using synaptic to do it for me, but yes. its removing totem-gstreamer
[07:59] <wig> where's modprobe.conf on ubuntu guys?
[08:00] <|QuaD|> Cam-: do it like a man :)
[08:00] <Cam-> lol.
[08:00] <wig> where's modprobe.conf in ubuntu? anyone know?
[08:01] <crimsun> wig: man 5 modprobe.conf
[08:01] <Cam-> ever tried man modprobe?
[08:01] <Cam-> lol
[08:01] <wig> crimsun, what's that?
[08:01] <crimsun> wig: the man page
[08:01] <wig> im not on linux.
[08:02] <Cam-> then why do you need modprobe?
[08:02] <Agrajag> use google
[08:02] <Agrajag> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/modprobe.conf.5.html
[08:02] <|QuaD|> Cam-: those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!
[08:02] <wig> Cam-, when i get on linux
[08:03] <Cam-> heh.
[08:03] <wig> this site doesn't tell me where modprobe.conf is o_O
[08:03] <Cam-> wig. it does
[08:03] <wig> is it just modules.conf then?
[08:03] <Cam-> look.
[08:03] <Agrajag> /etc/modules.conf
[08:04] <wig> that file says not to edit it.
[08:04] <Agrajag> sigh
[08:04] <deFrysk> wig, yes
[08:04] <wig> well, if there's no modprobe.conf, and i can't edit modules.conf, what am i supposed to do? o_O
[08:04] <Agrajag> # Please do not edit this file directly. If you want to change or add
[08:04] <Agrajag> # anything please take a look at the files in /etc/modutils and read
[08:04] <Agrajag> # the manpage for update-modules.
[08:04] <Agrajag> READ THE FILE
[08:05] <deFrysk> lol
[08:05] <Agrajag> if you knew it said not to edit it, you should have read, oh, TWO LINES PAST THAT to find out what to do.
[08:05] <wig> Agrajag, i did.
[08:05] <Cam-> |QuaD| : i now get video, no sound.
[08:05] <Cam-> sound is in ac3 format
[08:05] <Agrajag> man, this is why newbies hate linux, they get help from jerks like me
[08:06] <deFrysk> lol Agrajag
[08:06] <wig> *nods*
[08:06] <wig> anger helps us not :)
[08:06] <rhizo> well, it helps us, the old jerks, sorry
[08:06] <Agrajag> put the stuff you want in a file in /etc/modutils, just like the files that are already there
[08:07] <|QuaD|> .6
[08:07] <wig> rhizo, you guys aren't asking the questions we ask though, :-P
[08:07] <|QuaD|> Cam-: that is most likely you sound settings on the computer
[08:07] <Agrajag> update-modules will read those files and insert properly-formatted entries into /etc/modules.conf
[08:07] <Cam-> hrmm, sound does work though
[08:07] <Cam-> :/
[08:07] <wig> Agrajag, is /etc/modutils just some text file then?
[08:07] <Cam-> does totem use
[08:08] <Cam-> OSS or Alsa?
[08:08] <rhizo> wig: you just don't get it, do you ? you can't be *taught* linux, you can only be taught methodology, a way of solving a problem - reading man pages carefully and diligently following through is the key
[08:08] <|QuaD|> no idea
[08:08] <wig> rhizo, if the damn man pages weren't so cryptic they might help.
[08:08] <Agrajag> wig: every configuration file is a text file
[08:08] <Cam-> because gnome sounds work
[08:08] <wig> it's like a dictionary trying to use the word they're trying to define in their definition.
[08:08] <|QuaD|> totem uses nothing
[08:08] <Agrajag> /etc/modutils is a directory full of text files
[08:08] <crimsun> wig: "cryptic?" It reads well imo.
[08:08] <|QuaD|> its what xine uses
[08:09] <wig> crimsun, yeah, but you're used to it.
[08:09] <wig> Agrajag, so, i just vi it, put the stuff in (is it blank) and then "update-modules"
[08:09] <Agrajag> you'd be starting a new file
[08:09] <rhizo> wig: well, best you get used to it too, or else there are plenty of crapy systems out there...
[08:09] <wig> Agrajag, ahh.
[08:10] <Agrajag> here's an example:
[08:10] <Agrajag> $ cat /etc/modutils/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[08:10] <Agrajag> alias char-major-195 nvidia
[08:10] <Agrajag> that's all that's in that file
[08:10] <wig> ahh, alright.
[08:10] <wig> alright, im gonna try that. thanks a lot Agrajag
[08:10] <Agrajag> when update-modules runs, it finds that file, and places the contents in /etc/modules.conf
[08:10] <Agrajag> along with the contents of everything else in that directory
[08:10] <crimsun> (and `update-modules' runs every boot)
[08:11] <wig> awesome.
[08:11] <tommie_> someone on x-chat do me a favor?
[08:11] <wig> hopefully my modem will work now, thanks again.
[08:21] (|QuaD|/#ubuntu) ghita: oh i dunno then
[08:21] (rory__/#ubuntu) and dont forget to do a "apt-get update" after editing the sources.list
[08:21] <|QuaD|> ghita: explain exactly what happened
[08:21] <K-otiK> thanks ill try that now
[08:21] <rory__> ok
[08:22] <stuNNed> K-otiK, and add word 'multiverse' after 'universe'
[08:22] <rory__> also if you dont know the exact package name try "apt-cache search <string>"
[08:22] <K-otiK> ok stunned
[08:23] <Cam-> lol |QuaD| it works from the vob files!!
[08:23] <|QuaD|> vob?
[08:23] <ghita> i boot from my cd with my asus 52x24x52 i select my language and keyboard layout and after that the cd-rom detection came and it fails(says that it's a non IDE non SCSI drive)
[08:24] <Cam-> haha yeh
[08:24] <Cam-> the actual raw mpeg files
[08:24] <|QuaD|> maybe its not compatible
[08:24] <|QuaD|> Cam-: i dunno then
[08:24] <Cam-> yer ac3 sucks
[08:24] <Cam-> :(
[08:25] <ghita> i understand if 1 from 2 is uncompatible...but 2 from 2 is too much
[08:25] <|QuaD|> ghita: ???
[08:25] <ghita> because i trye it with my other cd-rom creative 36x and the same thing
[08:26] <|QuaD|> bad cd then
[08:26] <ghita> could it be?
[08:26] <|QuaD|> ghita: it could
[08:26] <|QuaD|> most likely
[08:26] <pepsi_> i need a flux capacitor
[08:26] <ghita> so how could i check to see if that is the problem?
[08:27] <|QuaD|> pepsi_: i was selling mine!
[08:27] <|QuaD|> md5checksum
[08:27] <pepsi_> @$@$
[08:27] <K-otiK> apt-get install http://<site>.com/package.rpm would be greaaat
[08:27] <|QuaD|> K-otiK: no it wouldn't
[08:27] <|QuaD|> that would actually be horrible
[08:27] <|QuaD|> it would go against what makes apt-get soo amazing
[08:28] <K-otiK> humm,
[08:28] <K-otiK> i did edit sources.list and its doing well now
[08:29] <|QuaD|> apt-get is soo amazing, the rpm based distros ported it to theirdistro
[08:29] <rory__> K-otiK, apt-get doesnt install rpms...
[08:29] <rhizo> apt4rpm, rory__
[08:29] <K-otiK> didn't know, just intalled ebuntu an hour ago
[08:29] <|QuaD|> rory__: yes it does
[08:29] <K-otiK> ubuntu*
[08:29] <|QuaD|> rory__: just not ours
[08:30] <rory__> hehe :p
[08:30] <rhizo> iBuntu
[08:30] <rory__> but theres always alien
[08:35] <alka_trash> my friend today received a couple cds from ubuntu and I must admit they are very professional.
[08:36] <|QuaD|> can u take a pic?
[08:36] <|QuaD|> are they pressed?
[08:36] <wig> |QuaD|, yeah, it is.
[08:36] <|QuaD|> nice... are they free?
[08:36] <wig> i got some myself, very cool.
[08:36] <wig> yea
[08:36] <|QuaD|> how do i get them?
[08:37] <K-otiK> is there a dvd player for ubuntu?
[08:37] <wig> |QuaD|, shipit.ubuntulinux.org   i think
[08:37] <alka_trash> K-otiK: a DVD player? you can use totem or mplayer to play dvds
[08:38] <wezzer> how long does it take to receive ubuntu cd's from order?
[08:38] <wezzer> usually
[08:38] <|QuaD|> wig: are they livecd or regular or both?
[08:38] <alka_trash> both
[08:38] <wig> both
[08:38] <K-otiK> alright
[08:38] <jdub> |QuaD|: http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1101881019
[08:40] <|QuaD|> whats the max we can order?
[08:40] <|QuaD|> jdub: thanks :)
[08:40] <jdub> depends if you've got a good reason for ordering an insane amount.
[08:41] <|QuaD|> i want 20 x86, 5 ppc, and 10 AMD64s
[08:41] <|QuaD|> is that insane?
[08:41] <wezzer> I'll send few cd's to my friends who use windows xp :^)
[08:41] <jdub> not even remotely
[08:42] <rory__> i wanna order like 200
[08:42] <crimsun> |QuaD|: no, that's completely within the realm of any hardcore computer geek. You just have to decide whether you are one. =)
[08:42] <|QuaD|> jdub: so somewhere around 5o is fine
[08:42] <rory__> then i can do my whole wall with cds
[08:42] <|QuaD|> i just want to distribute them
[08:42] <crimsun> oh, CDs.
[08:42] <crimsun> n/m
[08:42] <jdub> |QuaD|: you can order more than that. shipping is the expensive bit, not pressing the cds.
[08:42] <|QuaD|> jdub: we pay shipping???
[08:43] <jdub> depends what you mean by "we"
[08:43] <jdub> you didn't see a credit card field on the order form, did you?
[08:43] <|QuaD|> who pays
[08:44] <|QuaD|> haha
[08:44] <|QuaD|> good point
[08:44] <jdub> |QuaD|: shipit's pretty clear: "The Ubuntu team will send you Ubuntu CDs at no charge, for you to install and share. We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well."
[08:44] <|QuaD|> hehe i read that
[08:44] <|QuaD|> then when you talked about shipping being expensive
[08:44] <rory__> mark shuttleworth pays
[08:44] <jdub> canonical pays.
[08:44] <Gwildor_> same thing
[08:45] <|QuaD|> now i just gotta wait for the next batch to ship
[08:45] <rory__> hehe
[08:45] <|QuaD|> 2 weeks it says
[08:45] <Gwildor_> mine took like 15 days
[08:46] <jdub> Gwildor_: (technically not.)
[08:46] <Gwildor_> shipped the 11th........got it the 26th
[08:46] <|QuaD|> Gwildor_: how do you know when they shipped
[08:46] <Gwildor_> shipit said the 11th
[08:46] <wig> ogra, you here?
[08:46] <|QuaD|> ohh, i wonder when these will ship
[08:47] <Gwildor_> no idea
[08:48] <|QuaD|> i cna't wait to distribute these
[08:51] <stuNNed> how can i find out when mine will ship?
[08:52] <rory__> log into shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[08:52] <stuNNed> k
[08:53] <alka_trash> here's a picture of the cd
[08:53] <alka_trash> http://kazakshan.homeip.net/gallery/album15/p1000292
[08:53] <|QuaD|> rory__: it doesn't actually say when i don't believe
[08:54] <rory__> ok
[08:54] <|QuaD|> alka_trash: thanks, http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1101881019
[08:54] <stuNNed> i logged in but doesn't say when they might ship (updated quant as well) :D
[08:54] <rory__> u can work it out though
[08:54] <rory__> because they give starting date
[08:54] <rory__> and say every 2 weeks after that
[08:54] <alka_trash> http://kazakshan.homeip.net/gallery/album15/p1000294 one more  with Heineken too
[08:55] <|QuaD|> how is the live cd?
[08:55] <subterrific> i'm about to format my gentoo server and install ubuntu, i think i've backed up everything i need, but does anyone have suggestions of what to backup...nothing is too obvious, i'm tired as hell :)
[08:56] <|QuaD|> subterrific: /home, /etc
[08:56] <subterrific> |QuaD|: got em
[08:56] <rory__> hehe
[08:56] <rory__> /
[08:57] <alka_trash> I installed it on a station at work and it boot quite nicely,  I was amazed on how fast it was. the computer I installed it on was a dell with 512 megs ( the only thing that was off was the resolution was a little screwy)
[08:57] <|QuaD|> subterrific: unless you store things in weird ways I ASSUME you will be fine
[08:57] <|QuaD|> is there a /root?
[08:57] <stuNNed> subterrific, depends on what services you run as well
[08:58] <subterrific> |QuaD|: yes, but nothing important there
[08:58] <ghita> hello
[08:58] <|QuaD|> yup
[08:58] <|QuaD|> hey ghita
[08:58] <subterrific> stuNNed: postfix, courier-imap-ssl, httpd, sshd thats it
[08:58] <ghita> i a'm back with my cdrom problem
[08:58] <ghita> it wasn't the cd
[08:59] <ghita> i tryed the expert mode
[08:59] <melazyboy> Does anyone here have an IBM Xseries laptop?
[08:59] <|QuaD|> ghita: then mostlikely your motherboard isn't supported
[08:59] <|QuaD|> wait
[08:59] <|QuaD|> is it a laptop?
[08:59] <ghita> nope
[08:59] <ghita> via kt333
[08:59] <ghita> pc
[08:59] <stuNNed> subterrific, then might want to back up your mail/www dir's, as well as any keys you might use with sshd
[09:00] <|QuaD|> via's are usually supported
[09:00] <|QuaD|> hmm
[09:00] <ghita> it works with all the other distros
[09:00] <ghita> slackware,fedora,mandrake
[09:00] <ghita> etc.
[09:00] <|QuaD|> ghita: i dunno, i am not a developer
[09:00] <K-otiK> can totem play encrypted DVD's?
[09:01] <subterrific> keys should all be in /etc, mail is in ~/.maildir, and /var/www is just squirrelmail and phpmyadmin, nothing i can't easily replace
[09:01] <|QuaD|> K-otiK: no idea
[09:01] <subterrific> stuNNed: so i think i got all that covered
[09:01] <|QuaD|> subterrific: your probably all set then
[09:02] <ghita> it say that it cannot load ide-mod,ide-probe-mod,ide-detect,ide-floppy
[09:02] <|QuaD|> ghita: you stumped me
[09:02] <|QuaD|> do an md5checksum
[09:02] <rory__> my ubuntu install crashed because it said it ran out of disk space
[09:02] <rory__> so i rebooted
[09:02] <rory__> now how do i get it to carry on and install all the packages?
[09:03] <|QuaD|> rory__: how much space you got
[09:03] <rory__> 2.8GB free
[09:03] <rory__> it was some complication with vmware virtual disk
[09:03] <|QuaD|> oh
[09:03] <rory__> but theres lots of space
[09:03] <|QuaD|> i would make it bigger
[09:03] <|QuaD|> make a 5 gb virtual disk
[09:04] <rory__> its 4gb now i think
[09:04] <rory__> which should be ok
[09:04] <|QuaD|> so start over
[09:04] <|QuaD|> rory__: you got a legit copy of vmware or pirated?
[09:04] <rory__> eval
[09:04] <rory__> so loegit
[09:04] <rory__> legit
[09:05] <|QuaD|> oh ok
[09:05] <rory__> im just doing an install of ubuntu so i can take screenshots of install for our wiki page
[09:06] <rory__> tried "base-config new" which didnt help so tryin "base-config" now
[09:06] <|QuaD|> oh, i didn't realize ou ran the site
[09:06] <rory__> no its for company wiki, not ubuntu wiki
[09:06] <rory__> although i may paste a link there
[09:06] <|QuaD|> what compan?
[09:08] <rory__> small software development company in south africa
[09:09] <|QuaD|> oh, and you need pictures of ubuntu?
[09:09] <rory__> yeah, just to make it easy for users to set up their own workstation when im not here
[09:10] <|QuaD|> oh ok
[09:10] <Solipsis> Everyone here a developer?
[09:10] <subterrific> alright, time to format.
[09:10] <rory__> are you a developer Solipsis?
[09:11] <|QuaD|> Solipsis: i am
[09:11] <|QuaD|> just not of ubuntu
[09:11] <Solipsis> I work for amazon.com, but I am not yet working in the dev dept
[09:11] <|QuaD|> Solipsis: what do you do there?
[09:11] <Solipsis> Still tryin gto finish college...
[09:11] <|QuaD|> i would LOVE a job with them
[09:11] <rory__> kinda answers your own question doesnt it...
[09:12] <Solipsis> QuaD: exception handling
[09:12] <|QuaD|> ?
[09:12] <crimsun> Solipsis: you doing QA?
[09:12] <|QuaD|> you program exception handlers?
[09:12] <subterrific> try {} catch (...) {}
[09:12] <rory__> lol
[09:12] <|QuaD|> subterrific: thats what i was thinking
[09:12] <Solipsis> It's pretty mundane. I find where and why addresses break and then work to fix them
[09:12] <subterrific> |QuaD|: me too, hehe
[09:13] <rory__> i think everyone here prob thought that :p
[09:13] <stuNNed> subterrific, sounds like a plan, any other data you might have like files, all can think of, which normally is in /home i guess, what about /usr/local ?
[09:13] <subterrific> stuNNed: yeah, i just went through /usr/local didn't see anything
[09:13] <|QuaD|> Solipsis: how is the pay (if you don't mind me asking)
[09:14] <Solipsis> Uh, not so good for me, but programmers make decent pay over time.
[09:14] <LucidVisions> Solipsis: your in the seattle area a?
[09:14] <|QuaD|> want to get me a job there :)
[09:14] <|QuaD|> computer/electrical engineer graduating in may ;)
[09:14] <Solipsis> Yeah, Seattle. So keep that in mind when thinking money!
[09:14] <|QuaD|> i can also take on software engineering positions, strong software development background
[09:15] <Solipsis> It's not cheap here.
[09:15] <|QuaD|> avg in seattle is like 65 outof college for cs/ee degrees
[09:15] <LucidVisions> I live in the sillicon forest
[09:15] <LucidVisions> its the same 3 hours south
[09:15] <LucidVisions> lol
[09:15] <rory__> 65 what?
[09:15] <rory__> thousand dollars?
[09:15] <Solipsis> QuaD: You should check out the amazon website for job info. They really need more people with tech exp
[09:15] <|QuaD|> yes
[09:16] <|QuaD|> problem is that i have no real work experience (other than research on stochiastic processes)
[09:16] <rory__> $65000 out of college?
[09:16] <|QuaD|> yea
[09:16] <|QuaD|> microsoft starts at 73
[09:16] <rory__> jees
[09:17] <|QuaD|> i interviewed for them
[09:17] <Solipsis> I worked as a chef for years, and never finished my CS degree.
[09:17] <rory__> im getting about $500 a month here
[09:17] <rory__> and thats when the dollar is shit compared to the rand
[09:17] <Solipsis> It's more about getting in the door first, and then show off.
[09:17] <crimsun> |QuaD|: MS is very, very non-career path
[09:17] <rory__> when the rand was weak it prob worked out to about $280
[09:18] <YokoZar> Hello, I've updated a Debian package that has gotten rather out of date (wine).  The package will soon be up on the main upstream website.  It could probably take a few weeks to get into the main Debian tree, due to the uh...bureaucracy.  Is there anyway I could get it into Ubuntu earlier?
[09:18] <Solipsis> rory: where are you? I would starve on 500
[09:18] <rory__> i finish my cs degree next year hopefully
[09:18] <|QuaD|> rory__: how do you stand compared to the rest of the country?
[09:18] <|QuaD|> crimsun: yeah i know
[09:18] <rory__> Solipsis, south africa
[09:18] <rory__> i get R3000/month
[09:18] <Solipsis> Portland is good for linux folks
[09:18] <rory__> which isnt a lot
[09:18] <Solipsis> Linus lives there now.
[09:18] <rory__> but this is just a job im doing for some experience
[09:19] <rory__> divide any R figure by 6 to get $
[09:19] <LucidVisions> Yeo,,,I was at OSDL the other day,,was sitting in the lounge trying to spot him
[09:19] <Solipsis> Then, Seattle is only three hours away. Plus, you get to feel good about living in a better town than Sea
[09:19] <|QuaD|> rory__: how are you compared to the rest of your contry (high, middle, low class)
[09:19] <LucidVisions> hehe
[09:19] <rory__> you can rent a room here for about R2000/month
[09:19] <|QuaD|> I would do portland
[09:19] <|QuaD|> if i could find a job
[09:20] <rory__> |QuaD|, kinda hard to say, because i'd say upper middle for my background but im a student so its kinda low at the moment
[09:20] <|QuaD|> how much you expect to make once you graduate>'
[09:21] <robert_> hello ;) I wonder if there is possible to convert ubuntu to debian by edit the /etc/apt/sources.list with debian unstable mirrors ?
[09:21] <rhizo> LucidVisions: linus works out of his basement, silly ;)
[09:21] <crimsun> robert_: "reverting" to Sid?
[09:22] <rory__> |QuaD|, R10000 would be very nice for starting out
[09:22] <|QuaD|> rhizo: garage... he has an office in his garage
[09:22] <LucidVisions> I know,,but i was hoping he would pop in
[09:22] <|QuaD|> rory__: how much is that a year
[09:22] <robert_> crimsun: hmm.. yeah ?!
[09:22] <rory__> R120 000
[09:22] <crimsun> robert_: and are you starting from warty or hoary?
[09:22] <crimsun> robert_: warty->sid is doable
[09:22] <|QuaD|> i meant in dollars :)
[09:22] <robert_> crimsun:warty
[09:22] <rory__> a 2 bedroom flat with lounge and bathroom is about R800 000
[09:22] <crimsun> robert_: hoary->sid is a lot more painful
[09:22] <rory__> divide by 6 |QuaD|
[09:23] <robert_> crimsun: okey,. ..
[09:23] <|QuaD|> $0k a year is ver nice?
[09:23] <|QuaD|> that is boarderline poverty here
[09:23] <rhizo> how about warty->sarge ?
[09:23] <|QuaD|> *$20k
[09:23] <robert_> crimsun: brb, i'm at work .. ;)
[09:23] <crimsun> warty->sarge is doable if you're very careful.
[09:23] <rory__> well the developers at this company get about $1000/m i think
[09:24] <robert_> crimsun: if i add debian unstable in sources.list and do a apt-get dist-upgrade, will this work ?
[09:24] <|QuaD|> rory__: how much would something like a computer cost (medium specs)
[09:25] <crimsun> robert_: if you only add sid lines without removing warty{-security} lines, you may encounter problems.
[09:25] <crimsun> robert_: and of course you need to `sudo apt-get update' first
[09:25] <rory__> you can get entry level for abt $500
[09:25] <rory__> top for abt $2000
[09:25] <rory__> quite the same
[09:25] <|QuaD|> robert_: the test is to add both ubuntu AND debian lines
[09:25] <|QuaD|> watch it go crazy
[09:25] <robert_> crimsun: okey, nice to know
[09:25] <subterrific> yikes, this is scary
[09:25] <|QuaD|> rory__: so they are cheaper then here
[09:25] <crimsun> |QuaD|: it works just fine.
[09:26] <|QuaD|> alright
[09:26] <|QuaD|> bed time
[09:26] <crimsun> |QuaD|: I've been doing precisely that since the Warty prerelease.
[09:26] <subterrific> i select a partition to format in the ubuntu-installer and i changes a different partition
[09:26] <rory__> dont think so....
[09:26] <|QuaD|> its 3:26AM
[09:26] <robert_> QuaD: Okey, thx
[09:26] <subterrific> it
[09:26] <|QuaD|> gotta be up at 8
[09:28] <LucidVisions> Solipsis: if you evey make it down to portland,,fill out this form to become and assotiate http://www.osdl.org/join_form and the lab is in Beaverton
[09:28] <LucidVisions> I go in once a week or so
[09:29] <LucidVisions> Andrew morton was in a few weeks ago
[09:32] <wig> can someone take a look at this post:
[09:33] <wig> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6725
[09:33] <itfayeci> hii
[09:34] <itfayeci> hii
[09:34] <itfayeci> how are your
[09:35] <itfayeci> hii
[09:35] <itfayeci> how are you
[09:35] <tommie_> hello :)
[09:35] <itfayeci> my name is cihan
[09:35] <itfayeci> what is your name
[09:36] <LucidVisions>  Solipsis: you got off before i got a chance to give ya a heads up,, if you evey make it down to portland,,fill out this form to become and assotiate http://www.osdl.org/join_form and the lab is in Beaverton
[09:36] <subterrific> wig: that sucks, modems blows :(
[09:36] <wig> subterrific, indeed.
[09:36] <wig> some of us must suffer so you can live
[09:36] <Tsjoklat> wig if I find someone that can help, I'll send them your way
[09:36] <LucidVisions> solipsis: i pop in once a week or so
[09:36] <subterrific> wig: you'll have fiber in the after life though
[09:36] <wig> Tsjoklat, awesome.
[09:37] <wig> subterrific, oh yes
[09:37] <Tsjoklat> subterrific not going to help him/her/it now eh :P
[09:37] <itfayeci> how are you friends
[09:38] <subterrific> well i just formatted my gentoo system, so i'm all in on ubuntu
[09:38] <subterrific> hope it works
[09:38] <jdub> it'll take you three days to rebuild gentoo... :)
[09:38] <subterrific> jdub: not with this amd64 box, its a monster
[09:38] <Tsjoklat> ah how do you like it subterrific? still recovering?
[09:39] <wezzer> my friend installed gentoo and I installed ubuntu
[09:39] <wezzer> it took 30 min for me and 2 days for him to get it installed
[09:39] <Tsjoklat> gentoo is going to have a graphical installer... hehe
[09:39] <subterrific> jdub: btw, i noticed a bug in the installer custom disk partition tool
[09:40] <Tsjoklat> wezzer the compiling/d/l just got too much for myself
[09:40] <subterrific> jdub: i selected my sda1 partition and edited it to make it /boot and when it got back to the list of disks, hda1 had been changed instead
[09:40] <subterrific> jdub: i just kept selecting sda1 and changing it and it finally worked, then i told it not to touch hda1
[09:41] <subterrific> jdub: so i guess it worked, but it was a scary bug, haven't checked bugzilla yet...
[09:41] <robert_> I do have a new laptop that debian woody won't detect my hardware, i know that its possible to convert libranet to debian sarge, but i dont like libranet so i will give it a try to convert ubuntu instead ...
[09:41] <jdub> morning mbp
[09:41] <jdub> robert_: easier and better to install from scratch
[09:42] <robert_> jdub: yes
[09:42] <robert_> jdub: ;)
[09:51] <mangoturtle> can somebody help me??  I cannot boot any livecds on my athlonxp
[09:51] <mangoturtle> not ubuntu or gentoo or quantian
[09:51] <Treenaks> mangoturtle: what's the error message on the ubuntu one?
[09:51] <mangoturtle> no error message, it just starts up grub and hangs
[09:52] <Treenaks> mangoturtle: "hangs"? on what screen?
[09:52] <Treenaks> the grub screen or the "progress bar" one?
[09:52] <mangoturtle> nope
[09:52] <Treenaks> which one then?
[09:52] <mangoturtle> it tries to start grub 1.5 or somethin
[09:53] <Treenaks> yes, stage 1.5
[09:53] <mangoturtle> yeah stage 1.5
[09:53] <mangoturtle> and it just hangs there
[09:53] <Treenaks> mangoturtle: are you trying i386 or amd64 boot CDs?
[09:53] <mangoturtle> won't give me progress bar or anything
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> hey Treenaks
[09:53] <mangoturtle> x86 livecd
[09:53] <Treenaks> hey Tsjoklat !
[09:53] <Tsjoklat> :)
[09:53] <Bugalugs> my teacher just gave me a copy of an ubuntu cd (with the case and all, heh), just trying to find any reason to convert from my normal debian desktop
[09:54] <Bugalugs> if you wanna say anythign feel free while i browse the site
[09:54] <Bugalugs> :)
[09:54] <jdub> Bugalugs: who is your teacher? :)
[09:54] <Bugalugs> geoff robertson from sydney, AU
[09:54] <jdub> oh cool
[09:54] <jdub> you're at tafe?
[09:54] <Bugalugs> yep
[09:54] <rory__> jees
[09:54] <Bugalugs> just finished today :)
[09:54] <jdub> i used to do guest lessons in his class :)
[09:54] <jdub> was pia there?
[09:54] <Bugalugs> got geoff again next year
[09:54] <Bugalugs> oh really?
[09:54] <rory__> i doubt any of my teachers from school have a clue abt linux
[09:55] <Bugalugs> pia i dont know the name
[09:55] <Bugalugs> is that a nickname?
[09:55] <jdub> no
[09:55] <jdub> she's doing proctoring for the exams
[09:55] <jdub> you doing an exam tomorrow night?
[09:55] <Bugalugs> ah ok no women (or girls for that matter) came into my class
[09:55] <rory__> lol
[09:55] <Bugalugs> ah no i was just doing the intro course, ididnt realise i could have done LPI straight away
[09:55] <Bugalugs> so i bored myself for 6 months
[09:56] <jdub> heh
[09:56] <mangoturtle> i can boot into my p4 laptop just fine with the livecd, so i know it's not bad copy
[09:56] <jdub> you can do the lpi whenever you want
[09:56] <jdub> but doing the class really helps
[09:56] <Bugalugs> i'm doing LPI next year and geoff is running a LAMP course next year
[09:56] <jdub> cool
[09:56] <Bugalugs> might do cisco too but i dont know
[09:56] <jdub> have you been to slug or the debian sig?
[09:56] <Bugalugs> hes offering it all for like 150$ so i might just for the fact its so cheap
[09:56] <Bugalugs> nah
[09:57] <Tsjoklat> good morn daniels
[09:57] <daniels> morning
[09:57] <Tsjoklat> nine o'clock talking about prompt daniels :P
[09:57] <Bugalugs> jdub, when did you do geoff's class?
[09:58] <daniels> 0858, even
[09:58] <jdub> Bugalugs: i haven't :)
[09:58] <Bugalugs> ah ok you just know him then?
[09:58] <Tsjoklat> 08.59 :)
[09:58] <jdub> Bugalugs: i've done guest lessons
[09:58] <jdub> yeah, geoff comes along to slug
[09:58] <mangoturtle> treenaks: any ideas?
[09:59] <Bugalugs> yea he mentioned it to us before going to one of those just isnt conveniant for me at the moment, i went to a LUG in christchurch (NZ) before i came to australia
[09:59] <Treenaks> mangoturtle: don't know, maybe some BIOS setting?
[09:59] <Bugalugs> it was alright but they had some bloke from IBM there talking about something
[09:59] <Bugalugs> i was preoccupied with learnin to burn CDs at the time lol
[09:59] <mangoturtle> treenaks:... hmmm ok... i'll try updating the bios
[09:59] <ajmitch_> yeah, I think the same IBM guy talked at dunedin
[10:00] <Bugalugs> did he give out tux pins?
[10:00] <ajmitch_> yep
[10:00] <Bugalugs> yea he didnt give me one
[10:00] <Bugalugs> prick
[10:00] <Bugalugs> >:|
[10:00] <subterrific> ugh, the installer is really buggy when you customize partitions
[10:00] <ajmitch_> that's a shame :)
[10:00] <ajmitch_> I'm in australia at the moment as well
[10:00] <Bugalugs> bloody kiwis
[10:00] <Bugalugs> lol
[10:00] <Bugalugs> yea?
[10:00] <Bugalugs> where abouts?
[10:00] <ajmitch_> I might get along to the LUV meeting next week
[10:00] <subterrific> it set my root=(hd2,0) which is my /home not /boot
[10:00] <ajmitch_> melbourne
[10:00] <Tsjoklat> kiwis are New Zealanders ....
[10:00] <Bugalugs> ah ok cool im in sydney
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> Australians are the skippies
[10:01] <Bugalugs> Tsjoklat, 10/10 for effort
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs ta
[10:01] <Bugalugs> kiwis are actually short, dumb, flightless birds :)
[10:01] <Bugalugs> i dont even think they see very good
[10:01] <ajmitch_> they're fairly blind
[10:01] <ajmitch_> and dig around at night in the dirt
[10:01] <Bugalugs> and thats what represents us :)
[10:01] <Bugalugs> at least a kangaroo will take you on
[10:01] <Tsjoklat> you mean kick your arse
[10:02] <Bugalugs> yeah and that, but see.. w ehave rifles, they dont :)
[10:02] <Tsjoklat> ah Bugalugs don't tell me you've been on kanga safaris?
[10:02] <rory__> heh
[10:02] <Bugalugs> nah
[10:02] <Bugalugs> just saw on the news coupl eyears ago
[10:02] <Bugalugs> the army was out shooting em
[10:02] <robert_> I'm kind of new to linux so i wonder if you do a dist-upgrade (convert ubuntu to debian sarge) will it remove the ubuntu "package" completely ?
[10:03] <Bugalugs> coz they were being a problem in melbourne or something
[10:03] <Amaranth> no
[10:03] <Amaranth> ubuntu slaps a "ubuntu-x" on the end of its package versions
[10:03] <Amaranth> so it isn't compatible with debian packages
[10:03] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs though I don't like the safari deals.. kanga steak does taste good
[10:03] <Amaranth> they'll install and it'll all seem alright, until your first version conflict
[10:04] <Amaranth> the one that makes you uninstall everything :P
[10:04] <rory__> lol
[10:04] <jdub> cross-grading is waaaay not the way to do it
[10:04] <ajmitch_> great, that was a fairly fast sync with sid
[10:04] <Bugalugs> when i first came to australia and saw kangaroo meat for sale i thought it was kinds of weird
[10:04] <Bugalugs> it would be lik eating my pet
[10:04] <Bugalugs> if i was australian that is
[10:04] <rory__> u can buy kangaroo meat?
[10:04] <Bugalugs> i didnt realise they were more of a pest here
[10:04] <Amaranth> 2 days later i wiped the drive and just installed ubuntu
[10:04] <jdub> Bugalugs: we are the only country that can legally eat every animal depicted on our coat of arms :)
[10:04] <rory__> lol
[10:04] <Bugalugs> LOL
[10:04] <Tsjoklat> jdub :P
[10:04] <Bugalugs> thats goin in my quotedb
[10:04] <Bugalugs> didnt know that
[10:04] <rory__> in south africa we eat springbok and lions
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs you are import OZ?
[10:05] <rory__> dont know if there are any others
[10:05] <Bugalugs> yep
[10:05] <Amaranth> bald eagles don't even taste good, why would i want to eat one ;)
[10:05] <ajmitch_> yet you don't kill possums
[10:05] <rory__> we have a new coat of arms
[10:05] <Bugalugs> me and my friends used to kill possums on the farm in NZ
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs where from org?
[10:05] <Bugalugs> bloody things eat our apples !
[10:05] <ajmitch_> heh
[10:05] <Bugalugs> im from NZ, christchurch
[10:05] <Bugalugs> we used to shoot em with those joey guns
[10:05] <Amaranth> heh, possums are everywhere
[10:05] <Bugalugs> tube with rubber glove finger on it
[10:05] <Amaranth> bb gun?
[10:05] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs cool beans I lived in Birkdale myself
[10:06] <Bugalugs> never heard of it heh
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> :P
[10:06] <Bugalugs> im only a youngen though
[10:06] <Bugalugs> 19
[10:06] <Bugalugs> left NZ at 17
[10:06] <logic> Ah I am christchurch
[10:06] <ajmitch_> poor chap
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> <-- likes to burry herself in places nobody ever heard of...
[10:06] <ajmitch_> logic: great to see more kiwis here
[10:06] <Bugalugs> cool im going on holiday to NZ in 3 weeks
[10:06] <Tsjoklat> Crispin TX anyone know that place?
[10:06] <Bugalugs> 2weeks sorry
[10:06] <Bugalugs> for 3 weeks, lol
[10:07] <logic> :)
[10:07] <Bugalugs> christchurch for 1 week to see mum and auckland for 2 weeks to see dad and "the tribe"
[10:07] <Bugalugs> too much family :|
[10:07] <ajmitch_> heh
[10:07] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs never enough family!
[10:07] <ajmitch_> I'll be back in NZ in 4
[10:07] <Bugalugs> yerr
[10:07] <mbp> jdub!
[10:07] <Bugalugs> wanted to go to NZ as a licences driver but ohwell
[10:07] <mbp> jdub: where are you?
[10:07] <ajmitch_> hopefully I'll get ubuntu cds showing up in a couple of months, just in time for hoary :)
[10:08] <rory__> lol
[10:08] <ajmitch_> Bugalugs: not enough time to resit?
[10:08] <jdub> mbp: home. :-)
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs are you Maori?
[10:08] <Bugalugs> nah im white
[10:08] <Bugalugs> pakeha or so
[10:08] <Bugalugs> heh
[10:08] <rory__> its so refreshing to come onto a server with ppl from other countries
[10:08] <ajmitch_> :)
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> Bugalugs blanda :P
[10:08] <rory__> ive mainly stuck to our local servers here
[10:08] <chemaja>  .au here
[10:08] <Tsjoklat> lost here
[10:08] <Bugalugs> spend some time in sydney and youll know multicultural
[10:09] <Bugalugs> everyone i meet is from somewhere else in the world
[10:09] <ajmitch_> since the only system I've installed on has some issues with USB
[10:09] <chemaja> or melb
[10:09] <ajmitch_> chemaja: true.. I've been here in melbourne for 2 weeks now
[10:09] <chemaja> ajmitch_: which part
[10:10] <ajmitch_> chemaja: out ringwood way at the moment
[10:10] <mbp> jdub, i hope you would be proud of how crack-free my arch replacement is
[10:10] <ajmitch_> staying with a friend
[10:10] <chemaja> k
[10:10] <ajmitch_> mbp: compatible with tla?
[10:10] <chemaja> i'm near southland
[10:10] <jdub> mbp: archive compatible?
[10:10] <subterrific> hey pepsi_
[10:10] <Tsjoklat> hey pepsi_
[10:11] <jdub> mbp: i've heard there are plans a-brewing for post-baz :)
[10:13] <stvn> daniels: youthere?
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> shhhh hij is aan het werk stvn :P
[10:14] <stvn> Tsjoklat: heh, wanted to bug him with bad news ;)
[10:14] <daniels> stvn: sup
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> oh no stvn
[10:14] <Tsjoklat> too early! he didn't have coffee/tea yet stvn!
[10:15] <stvn> daniels: i tested the multi monitor setup of my laptop with a 19" screen capable, didn't work either, same error, laptop screen blank and crt @640x480
[10:15] <stvn> hm, coffee..
[10:16] <opi> mmm, coffee
[10:16] <daniels> stvn: weird ... try "LVDSProbePLL" or "ReverseDDC" options
[10:16] <stvn> moment ;)
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> keep going stvn :)
[10:16] <mbp> ajmitch_, no, not necessarily compatible, except through some kind of conversion layer
[10:16] <daniels> stvn: if they don't work, send me the logs from all three and I'll check it out
[10:16] <Tsjoklat> tea.. brb
[10:16] <CraHan> what's the file you'd use to start some apps after login in with gdm?
[10:16] <CraHan> I've tried .xsession, .Xsession and .xinitrc
[10:16] <CraHan> and none do anything
[10:16] <mbp> jdub, yes, with baz as more of a short-term compatible fix
[10:16] <opi> .xinitrc would do
[10:16] <CraHan> opi: even with gdm?
[10:17] <opi> CraHan: Im not using it
[10:17] <stvn> coffee :)
[10:17] <opi> CraHan: .xinitrc will execute after you log in
[10:17] <opi> stvn: I've got one, too ;)
[10:17] <stvn> daniels: i can send the log with LVDSProbePLL, that's the one I tried
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> tea :)
[10:17] <opi> stvn: Black, as Mordor's gates ;>
[10:17] <Tsjoklat> and oliebollen
[10:17] <stvn> indeed
[10:17] <CraHan> oliebollen, mmmmmmmm
[10:18] <CraHan> oliebollen are good :)
[10:18] <daniels> stvn: ok -- reverseddc may well be useful also
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> stvn what do you call oliebollen with banana? can't recall
[10:18] <Tsjoklat> or did I just made something exotic myself
[10:18] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: I think you made something exotic yourself
[10:18] <Treenaks> Tsjoklat: sounds nice though
[10:19] <pepsi_> hi subterrific
[10:19] <CraHan> opi: looks like in ubuntu hoary .xinitrc does not get parsed
[10:19] <stvn> Tsjoklat: don't know tham
[10:19] <stvn> them
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> Treenaks yeah I guess so... was on the phone with me mum and thought oliebollen.. saw the banana and voila c'est tout
[10:19] <CraHan> I added a line 'echo "test" > file' and it didn't get created
[10:19] <stvn> Tsjoklat: something like bananenflappen?
[10:19] <Treenaks> hm.. need to ask the local oliebollenkraam :)
[10:19] <Tsjoklat> stvn yeah we shall name it like that :)
[10:20] <daniels> CraHan: when you log in from gdm, .xinitrc is not parsed
[10:20] <CraHan> daniels: any other file I can use then?
[10:20] <Matt|> hi, yesterday in hoary updates, gnome-applets was removed. Was this intentional or can i reinstall them?
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> next to the raspatatboer
[10:20] <jdub> Matt|: don't always dist-upgrade
[10:20] <Tsjoklat> talking about mum, phone
[10:20] <Djrom> hi
[10:20] <Matt|> jdub, kthx
[10:20] <Matt|> jdub, i can put em back?
[10:20] <Djrom> is there any problem on last Xorg !???
[10:20] <jdub> Matt|: you can install them now, yes
[10:21] <Matt|> jdub, thanks a lot
[10:21] <daniels> CraHan: ~/.xsession
[10:21] <CraHan> daniels: ok let me try that then
[10:21] <daniels> Djrom: you'll need to be more specific.
[10:21] <Matt|> you guys are producing packages so fast...
[10:21] <Matt|> thanks for the hard work :)
[10:21] <Djrom> after last upgrade (Xorg inclued), at reboot, black screen
[10:22] <Djrom> no error
[10:22] <CraHan> daniels: .xsession in my home dir has no effect :)
[10:22] <Djrom> gdm is launched, but...black screen
[10:22] <Djrom> i can login
[10:23] <Djrom> gnome launched
[10:23] <Djrom> but...black screen :x
[10:24] <stvn> daniels: btw I was thinking does it matter that my laptop does 1280x800 whilst the crt does 1280x1024 (and higher)?
[10:25] <Djrom> i need help :x
[10:25] <CraHan> .xsession-errors does get created though
[10:25] <Djrom> or new release of Xorg ^^
[10:25] <CraHan> but only contains errors about openbox not finding a menu file
[10:25] <stvn> Djrom: does Xorg log suggest anything?
[10:25] <daniels> stvn: oh, right
[10:25] <CraHan> other than that, no .xsession stuff being done
[10:25] <CraHan> bug report?
[10:25] <daniels> stvn: um, without doing Xinerama, you need to find a resolution both your laptop and your CRT will love
[10:25] <Djrom> stvn , where is it ?
[10:26] <stvn> Djrom: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:26] <daniels> CraHan: is ~/.xsession executable?
[10:26] <Djrom> thx
[10:26] <daniels> Djrom: what video card do you have?
[10:26] <stvn> daniels: ah ok, too bad, i'll file a bug on the black screen ;)
[10:28] <pepsi_> is cpu frequency scaling supposed to work in hoary?
[10:28] <Djrom> daniels Trdient
[10:28] <Djrom> Trident sry
[10:28] <Treenaks> pepsi_: if it works on your CPU, I think so
[10:29] <Djrom> mmm
[10:29] <daniels> Djrom: woah
[10:29] <daniels> Djrom: and it was working previously?
[10:29] <pepsi_> Treenaks, when i boot up, it says frequency scaling isnt supported... i guess that means that my cpu doesnt support that?
[10:29] <Djrom> on Xorg log, ii have "not using default mode "1024x768" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan)
[10:29] <Djrom> yep
[10:29] <daniels> Djrom: keep going down
[10:30] <Treenaks> pepsi_: uh, I think so
[10:30] <Benotti> does anyone know wether it is possible to install the 32bit version of firefox 1.0 on ubuntu 64 bit so I could use flashplayer again?
[10:30] <Djrom> hmm
[10:30] <Djrom> (i'm trying something :o )
[10:31] <subterrific> Benotti: its possible, but you'd have to hack it
[10:31] <subterrific> Benotti: there is no nice easy way to do it
[10:31] <CraHan> daniels: ah that might be it
[10:31] <CraHan> I thought .xsession was just a file
[10:32] <Benotti> since Im rather new with linux I wont do that then ;) But I do want to use firefox 1.0 but I cant find the 64 bit version on mozilla.org?
[10:32] <zombics> how can i add modules to work at boot?
[10:32] <scizzo> I get a few errors when booting... modprobe: FATAL Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/hotplug etc
[10:32] <Djrom> scizzo me too
[10:32] <scizzo> I get alot of these msgs...
[10:32] <Djrom> 2 msgs for me =)
[10:32] <scizzo> 4 or 5 for me
[10:32] <CraHan> daniels: tried making .xsession executable: no joy though
[10:32] <Djrom> shpchp
[10:32] <Djrom> and pciehp
[10:32] <s-toned> hi, since I activated dualhead mode for my Matrox G550 it takes almost 2 minutes to start X. Any ideas to fix that?
[10:33] <daniels> scizzo: those aren't actually problems
[10:33] <Djrom> :'(
[10:33] <Djrom> Xorg suxx
[10:33] <scizzo> daniels: no...but "user enoying" :)
[10:33] <daniels> Djrom: send me your log file (daniel.stone@canonical.com)
[10:33] <daniels> scizzo: yeah
[10:34] <Djrom> daniels , i'm trying.. =)
[10:34] <Djrom> (recovery mode powa)
[10:35] <scizzo> daniels: annoying even
[10:36] <decypher_> Hey, does ubuntu support reiser4?
[10:36] <calc> reiser4 isn't even in the kernel yet
[10:36] <calc> its not even past alpha stage is it?
[10:36] <chemaja> eheheh
[10:36] <decypher_> Oh.  it is in Yoper.
[10:36] <decypher_> Didn't know where debian was.
[10:36] <decypher_> :-)
[10:36] <decypher_> or, even the main kernel.
[10:36] <decypher_> heh.
[10:37] <calc> you are helping him debug it :)
[10:37] <Djrom> hsync range 28-33 oO
[10:37] <calc> especially useful when it eats your data, that way it won't eat someone else's later on
[10:37] <decypher_> Ah, yes.
[10:37] <decypher_> It's so wonderful.
[10:37] <subterrific> decypher_: you'll probably be fine. i haven't heard of anyone losing data with it
[10:38] <chemaja> *should* be fine.
[10:38] <chemaja> *SHOULD*
[10:38] <chemaja> =)
[10:38] <rory__> can someone explain to me the point of names like woody/warty/hoary/etc instead of versions?
[10:38] <decypher_> Yeah.  Well, the only reason I'm kicking myself is 'cos now I cant switch away from Yoper, now that I've decided that I don't likeit.
[10:38] <calc> subterrific: of course it hasn't been tested much as it isn't allowed into the main kernel since it changes way too much
[10:38] <decypher_> like it. even.
[10:38] <Benotti> anyone know where I could find the 64bit firefox 1.0?
[10:39] <Treenaks> rory__: easier to remember :)
[10:39] <decypher_> ooh.
[10:39] <zombics> how can i make the nvidia module work at boot?
[10:39] <rory__> not really Treenaks
[10:39] <calc> Benotti: in hoary
[10:39] <rory__> im lost most of the time
[10:39] <Treenaks> zombics: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:39] <Pitr> rory__: To promote linux amongst the female species! What woman would prefer a box with "1.0" on it above one with the attractive word "WOODY"?! :)
[10:39] <subterrific> calc: well yeah, it was a complete rewrite, but one of the design principals from the beginning was atomic writes
[10:39] <decypher_> ..and no.. ..uh..
[10:39] <rory__> lol
[10:39] <CraHan> damn, kinda annoying especially since openbox doesn't have an option of starting some applications after it's up and running
[10:39] <decypher_> oh yeah.
[10:39] <calc> Pitr: or hoary? ;)
[10:39] <decypher_> and no cd burner.  :-(
[10:39] <Benotti> but using that it also install other dependencies of hoary, I dont want that
[10:39] <Pitr> calc: I never liked 'warty' ;)
[10:39] <Treenaks> calc: or dual boot hoary/woody
[10:39] <rory__> where the hell did they get "hoary" from?
[10:40] <rory__> ubuntu has like the worst names ever
[10:40] <rory__> warty and whorey
[10:40] <Treenaks> rory__: it starts with an "h", like "hedgehog"
[10:40] <calc> but sounds like...
[10:40] <calc> hey they had to push the envelope their pr0n wasn't doing it anymore ;)
[10:41] <rory__> i cant wait for "slut"
[10:41] <zombics> Treenaks, thx :) found the file
[10:41] <Treenaks> rory__: that might take some time :)
[10:41] <rory__> "hey has anybody used slut yet?"
[10:41] <rory__> "have you seen my slut?"
[10:42] <ironwolf> chemaja: all the time. :) but I'm generally in admin land so I don't worry so much ;)
[10:44] <rory__> just try "man slut"
[10:44] <calc> rory__: heh
[10:44] <Djrom> help :'(
[10:44] <chemaja> ironwolf: should you worry the MOST?
[10:45] <CraHan> daniels: you have any other ideas I can try to get .xsession up and running?
[10:47] <Djrom> daniels ..how can i send a mail with console :(
[10:47] <ironwolf> chemaja: nah, admin land has lots of documentation.  Userland is a different beast.  Ubuntu is doing well in providing it, but more needs to be done.
[10:48] <decypher_> Thanx everyone.  :-)
[10:48] <ironwolf> Daniels: did you play with autoconf? and why does the battery monitor be all locked up after latest hoary update?
[10:48] <decypher_> Oh.  Is there a way to install ubuntu from another distro, while it's on the hd?
[10:48] <ironwolf> decypher_: not to my knowledge
[10:48] <chemaja> ironwolf: ok, do you know where the doco for VT terminals is?
[10:49] <decypher_> Hrm..  (determined evilgrin)
[10:49] <chemaja> ironwolf: ie. keybindings, charsets, etc.
[10:49] <rory__> decypher_ have you looked at the installfromknoppix page on the wiki?
[10:49] <chemaja> ironwolf: or perhaps the user changeable files in /proc/sys ?
[10:49] <rory__> perhaps thats an option
[10:50] <zombics> how can i change the premitions (i want to ge in with my normal user) to my windows hd?
[10:50] <ironwolf> chemaja: what kind of VT's?
[10:50] <rory__> where have you mounted it?
[10:50] <daniels> CraHan: no idea, sorry
[10:50] <daniels> ironwolf: yes, and don't know
[10:51] <daniels> Djrom: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | mail -s 'xorg from djrom' daniel.stone@canonical.com
[10:51] <Djrom> ok =)
[10:53] <ironwolf> daniels: well, when gnome loaded, I got 2 battery monitors, 1 has a % next to it, the other doesn't.
[10:53] <hns> iz:???
[10:53] <ironwolf> daniels: and neither is right clickable.
[10:53] <zombics> rory__, i just need to eed something like mask=000 or something like this in the fstab but i dont remember it :/
[10:54] <rory__> ok, i dont know
[10:54] <daniels> ironwolf: nice!
[10:54] <Djrom> mm
[10:54] <ironwolf> daniels: no, not nice.... fix it!  ...please?
[10:54] <Djrom> daniels , in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ...i c'ant put an identifier for my monitor
[10:56] <daniels> ironwolf: i don't know what the problem is to fix
[10:57] <ironwolf> daniels: *sigh* that makes 2 of us. :(
[10:57] <chemaja> ironwolf: whoops VCs (virtual consoles)
[10:59] <ironwolf> chemaja: vnc works well. :)  VC's in ubuntu I haven't worked with.
[10:59] <rory__> "Ubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the enterprise edition, we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms."
[10:59] <rory__> theres an EE ?
[10:59] <bob2> rory__: no
[10:59] <bob2> not yet (and there may or may not be in the future)
[10:59] <bob2> but if there as, it would also be Free and free.
[11:00] <bob2> er, 'was'.
[11:00] <herman_> is there an ubuntu way of sharing a folder on the windowsnet/samba
[11:00] <herman_> questionmark
[11:00] <Tomcat> I got a serious problem with Ubuntu...
[11:00] <Tomcat> Sound is not working anymore...
[11:00] <ironwolf> herman: yes
[11:01] <ironwolf> tomcat: is esd running, and do you think it should be.
[11:01] <herman_> ironwolf, please enlighten me:)
[11:01] <Tomcat> Yesterday I added an account for my dad, and let him log in while I was logged in... sound didn't work for him, so I figured that two users can't access sound at the same time.
[11:01] <Moof> herman_: you start by installign samba
[11:01] <Tomcat> Now, even for one user sound doesn't work...
[11:01] <Tomcat> Okay I'll check.
[11:01] <ironwolf> herman_: mount -t smbfs -o username=user //computername/share /mnt/mountpoint
[11:02] <Moof> there doesn't appear to be an easy samba configurator for ubuntu, which is strange
[11:02] <herman_> ironwolf, hmz i mean sharing a local folder
[11:02] <Tomcat> ironwolf: esd is running
[11:02] <Moof> herman_: you need to install samba
[11:02] <ironwolf> tomcat: try killing it
[11:02] <Moof> it doesn't come as standard
[11:02] <zombics> how can i mount my win driver with premision to my normal user?
[11:02] <herman_> Moof, yes ok
[11:03] <herman_> Moof, i think i was just hoping for some rightclickking and then selecting share this folder;p
[11:03] <Tomcat> Oh ffs lol..
[11:03] <rory__> permission to read or to write?
[11:04] <Tomcat> PCM was at level 0...
[11:04] <Tomcat> Sound was working perfectly, just without noise :)
[11:04] <Tomcat> Well, thanks ironwolf. :)
[11:04] <netmonk> anyone using Ubuntu on iMac?
[11:04] <ironwolf> herman_: Applications-->System Tools-->Shares is the gui to samba sharing.
[11:04] <bob2> netmonk: it's best to just ask your question
[11:05] <ironwolf> tomcat: did that work?
[11:05] <Treenaks> ironwolf: yes, but that doesn't work if you don't have a root pw
[11:05] <Treenaks> (it uses su isntead of sudo)
[11:05] <chemaja> it's been a great distro
[11:05] <chemaja> but
[11:05] <chemaja> linux is linux.
[11:05] <herman_> ironwolf, ah thats nice. but i think i need to install that tool. you know the tools name?
[11:05] <netmonk> can someone using Ubuntu on iMac tell me if works, how does it behave and so on, pls?
[11:05] <chemaja> (undocumented, and slightly scattered)
[11:05] <bob2> chemaja: it will work fine
[11:05] <chemaja> so
[11:05] <bob2> chemaja: undocumented? how so?
[11:06] <ironwolf> herman_: sudo shares-admin
[11:06] <ironwolf> treenaks: good to know.
[11:06] <chemaja> bob2: in many ways. for instance, run "man 2 intro" on linux, then on a BSD
[11:06] <chemaja> bob2: where's the keybindings/charsets info for Virtual Consoles?
[11:06] <chemaja> bob2: how do i manipulate /proc/sys/net/* ?
[11:06] <chemaja> etc.
[11:06] <ironwolf> herman_: samba
[11:07] <bob2> chemaja: man 2 intro is replaced by many billions of other docs in linux
[11:07] <bob2> chemaja: setterm, but how often do you do that?
[11:07] <herman_> ironwolf, that tool in not installed. i got samba package installed now
[11:07] <bob2> chemaja: you read the documentation in the kernel for that, in the same place the rest of /proc is documented
[11:08] <bob2> if you mean 'not everything in linux is in manpages', then yes, you're right
[11:08] <chemaja> bob2: but how do i know to use setterm?
[11:08] <calc> some things are in info pages... ;)
[11:08] <bob2> chemaja: man setterm, surprisingly
[11:09] <chemaja> bob2: i could figure it out on a bsd box pretty quick.
[11:09] <chemaja> bob2: no, how do i know it exists.
[11:09] <bob2> chemaja: you run man?
[11:09] <chemaja> bob2: and how do i know to look in the kernel doc for /proc
[11:09] <chemaja> bob2: man what
[11:09] <bob2> chemaja: where else would you look?
[11:09] <chemaja> bob2: man "how do i change my keybindings for VC?"
[11:09] <bob2> chemaja: how do you know what man page to read in freebsd?
[11:09] <chemaja> bob2: i read the Handbook
[11:09] <bob2> chemaja: what on earth does 'keybindings for VC' mean?
[11:10] <rory__> well i did "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and rebooting so hopefully this works
[11:10] <bob2> chemaja: do you mean in your shell?
[11:10] <chemaja> bob2: ie shift-pgup
[11:10] <bob2> chemaja: what handbook?
[11:10] <bob2> chemaja: you can change them?
[11:10] <chemaja> bob2: the handbook for the respective bsd system
[11:10] <Treenaks> chemaja: I think those require kernel changes?
[11:10] <Treenaks> chemaja: try ldp.org
[11:10] <chemaja> bob2: dunno -- i just want to know them
[11:10] <bob2> chemaja: but you didn't read the linux ones?
[11:10] <bob2> chemaja: no idea, and you're the first person I've ever see ask about it
[11:11] <bob2> if you prefer freebsd, then go for it, but don't troll with things like 'linux is undocumented'
[11:11] <chemaja> bob2: i didn't find anything about it on the ubuntu website.
[11:11] <chemaja> bob2: i'm not trolling
[11:11] <chemaja> i'd rather stick with linux, FYI
[11:11] <chemaja> bob2: i'm discussing a legitimate issue
[11:11] <bob2> the ubuntu website is not a 'linux for people who think they are power users'
[11:11] <bob2> guide
[11:11] <bob2> www.tldp.org and www.debian.org/doc/ is more what you want
[11:12] <chemaja> bob2: fair enough... my point is its hard to find where the doco IS for that kind of stuf.
[11:12] <chemaja> in my experience, of course.
[11:12] <bob2> yes, in your experience
[11:12] <chemaja> bob2: i'm not saying linux is shit
[11:12] <chemaja> bob2: i'm just saying i ahve trouble finding my way round
[11:12] <chemaja> bob2: and i'm not exactly a n00b
[11:13] <bob2> ok
[11:13] <chemaja> afaik Ubuntu is awesome.
[11:13] <chemaja> but i'm going to run BSD for a while
[11:13] <chemaja> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
[11:18] <CraHan> there, bug filed
[11:18] <Snipes> Hi everybody!
[11:19] <CraHan> .xinitrc works find with startx, .xsession and .Xsession fail/are ignored
[11:19] <CraHan> s/find/fine
[11:19] <bob2> just use .xsession
[11:19] <bob2> since it's the 'correct' one on debian
[11:20] <CraHan> bob2: .xsession fails
[11:20] <CraHan> after login in with gdm .xsession is ignored
[11:21] <bob2> of course
[11:21] <bob2> you have to select 'user session' or such
[11:21] <Djrom> daniels , mail sent
[11:21] <CraHan> aha!
[11:21] <CraHan> unfortunately there's no such thing as a user session :)
[11:21] <bob2> there's some option in the session menu
[11:21] <CraHan> at least not in gdm's session list
[11:22] <bob2> on debian it's 'Debian session'
[11:22] <CraHan> last, xfce, default system session, gnome, openbox, failsafe gnome and failsafe terminal
[11:23] <daniels> Djrom: ta
[11:23] <bob2> default system doesn't work?
[11:23] <CraHan> yeah trying that now
[11:23] <CraHan> bit of a strange name though
[11:23] <CraHan> great
[11:23] <CraHan> that's working
[11:23] <CraHan> thanks bob2
[11:23] <bob2> np
[11:24] <bob2> a better name would be a good wishlist bug, imho
[11:24] <Djrom> daniels ?
[11:24] <CraHan> I'll add it
[11:24] <daniels> Djrom: i haven't got it yet, but it's coming
[11:25] <Djrom> =)
[11:25] <zombics> how can i change permission to my /mnt/widnows driver? :/
[11:25] <bob2> in /etc/fstab
[11:25] <bob2> add 'umask=002' to the option field
[11:26] <zombics> bob2, THX ! :D
[11:29] <|progenic|> excuse me, i want to ask about something that i check from system monitor to check my HDD space FAT32 it states that my HDD already 100% of usage, but when i go to windows, i found out that i still have 4GB, can somebody help me to solve this prob ?
[11:29] <rory__> anyone know how to install vmware tools on warty?
[11:30] <Amaranth> is it an RPM?
[11:30] <frogbert> I read I could get some help here
[11:31] <verden01> Hi
[11:31] <bob2> frogbert: ask away
[11:31] <bob2> rory__: vmware doesn't provide ubuntu packages?
[11:31] <rory__> |progenic|, try running "df -h" in a terminal windows
[11:31] <verden01> I/ve just installed KDE and need to configure k3b but i can't log in as root?
[11:31] <rory__> not sure bob2
[11:31] <frogbert> okay I can't figure out how to configure my sound card
[11:31] <rory__> but clicking the "install vmware tools" didnt seem to work
[11:31] <bob2> verden01: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[11:31] <|progenic|> copy it here ?
[11:32] <rory__> added uni and multiverse and cant find a vmware pkg
[11:32] <bob2> |progenic|: no
[11:32] <Djrom> daniels ?
[11:32] <verden01> on ok i've just been putting sudo
[11:32] <bob2> rory__: um, vmware isn't in ubuntu
[11:32] <Amaranth> more then likely it wants to run on a terminal as root
[11:32] <Myke> frogbert: what do you need with your sound card?
[11:32] <bob2> frogbert: you shouldn't need to do anything
[11:32] <|progenic|> rory__, it's stated already 100%
[11:32] <rory__> i was looking to see if they had a tools deb
[11:32] <|progenic|> but in windows i still see i got 4 GB
[11:32] <bob2> rory__: isn't that non-free, too?
[11:32] <bob2> |progenic|: how big is tha partition?
[11:33] <|progenic|> size = 112 GB, USed = 112
[11:33] <frogbert> bob2, Myke: If I were to open volume control I get this error ""
[11:33] <verden01> i've tried rootsudo as well and i keep getting a message that the password is incorrect
[11:33] <frogbert> Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found
[11:33] <bob2> verden01: you know you have to enter *your* password, right?
[11:33] <Myke> first, did linux detected your sound card?
[11:33] <bob2> frogbert: what sound card do you have?
[11:34] <verden01> my user password
[11:34] <frogbert> bob2, Nforce2 AC97 Audio Controller
[11:34] <bob2> verden01: when running 'sudo'?
[11:34] <bob2> frogbert: ok
[11:34] <verden01> when i put in my user password it says that is incorrect as well
[11:34] <|progenic|> but the weird thing is the number doesn't matched "/dev/sda5             112G  112G   69M 100% /mnt/D
[11:34] <|progenic|> "
[11:35] <Myke> frogbert: check if you have loaded the sound modules: lsmod | grep snd
[11:35] <calc> the audio on mov files is broken though :\
[11:35] <Myke> do that in shell, you should see some modules loaded
[11:35] <rory__> bob2, no idea what the license of the vmware tools is
[11:36] <calc> yea the ffmpeg plugin is much worse than the xine backend still :\
[11:36] <frogbert> yeah there is a few there
[11:36] <rory__> doesnt mutliverse contain non-free stuff?
[11:36] <bob2> rory__: I'm pretty sure it's not distributable
[11:36] <bob2> rory__: yes
[11:36] <rory__> ouch
[11:36] <bob2> rory__: but stuff at least has to be distributable
[11:36] <Myke> you have this onde, right: snd-intel8x0 ?
[11:36] <rory__> ye
[11:36] <zombics> when i am trying to make a program my friend made i get this error: onfigure: error: *** GLIB >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[11:37] <frogbert> Myke: yes
[11:37] <Myke> ok, so your sound card was detected...
[11:37] <zombics> how can i install GLIB? :/
[11:37] <calc> install libglib2.0-dev
[11:37] <calc> or libglib1.2-dev depending on what it wants
[11:37] <Myke> run alsamixer
[11:37] <calc> sounds like it might be wanting the old 1.2 version
[11:37] <Myke> and see if you can run it :p
[11:38] <elfik> hi
[11:38] <elfik> here from spain
[11:38] <elfik> i got some questions to ask
[11:38] <Myke> hola elfik, como estas? :)
[11:38] <ironwolf> elfik: welcome... ask away
[11:38] <elfik> i have a good question....maybe too silly
[11:38] <frogbert> The volume is up
[11:39] <Myke> ok.. can you ear the sound?
[11:39] <Myke> can you use programs like xmms to play sounds?
[11:39] <frogbert> no
[11:39] <frogbert> curious that
[11:39] <elfik> which .deb do i have to install to have the fixed fonts?
[11:39] <elfik> i mean which is the package to install?
[11:39] <atropus> Does everybody know gftp?
[11:40] <|progenic|> anybody ?
[11:40] <Snipes> i do :P
[11:40] <atropus> sorrey
[11:40] <Snipes> Does Ubuntu have a kernel for 586-SMP machines? i dont see anything below 686-SMP.
[11:40] <atropus> I have installed it but i haven't gftprc. Is it correct?
[11:41] <verden01> it doesn't matter what i do i can't log in to a terminal as root. I've used sudo and my user password but neither work any ideas?
[11:41] <|progenic|> elfik, check this http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/#extrafonts
[11:41] <Myke> verden01: login as single
[11:41] <Myke> i mean
[11:41] <elfik> thanks |progenic|
[11:41] <Myke> boot up your linux as single
[11:42] <Snipes> antropus: is what correct?
[11:42] <verden01> k i'll try that
[11:42] <Myke> in ubuntu terms that should be the second option in grub menu
[11:42] <Myke> rescue or something
[11:42] <Myke> then, you can use: passwd root
[11:42] <atropus> Snipes: I haven't gftprc file
[11:42] <zombics> now when i am trying to make it tells me :configure: error: *** GTK+ >= 1.2.2 not installed - please install first ***
[11:42] <Myke> and set up password for root
[11:42] <atropus> and it can't run
[11:43] <verden01> ok thanx
[11:44] <zombics> calc, any ida?
[11:44] <rory__> bob2, found a page with instructions for ubuntu on vmware
[11:44] <Snipes> atropus: how did you install it?
[11:44] <rory__> gonna try build from source now
[11:45] <atropus> i have downloaded the deb packages from http://mirror.isp.net.au/ftp/pub/ubuntu/pool/main/g/
[11:48] <verden01> i still can't log in as root to a terminal
[11:49] <calc> zombics: you need the libgtk dev package, etc
[11:49] <calc> zombics: those errors mean you don't have the needed development packages installed
[11:49] <zombics> ther is a pack that will download all the things i need?
[11:50] <tuxJr_14> hi guys
[11:50] <tuxJr_14> or gals
[11:50] <Myke> afk: still with sound problem?
[11:50] <verden01> hey i still can't log in as root any more ideas?
[11:50] <Myke> i've just noticed something.. by default... oss based apps don't work
[11:50] <Snipes> atropus: gftp should create that file when it is run the first time. it will be at ~/.gftp/
[11:51] <Myke> you can install oss suport on it
[11:51] <Myke> or, you can change in most apps the sound system to use..
[11:51] <tuxJr_14> guys, you gotta change the logo with the 3 people. guys in my school were making fun of it
[11:51] <Myke> i was trying right now xmms and it doesn't work here either :)
[11:52] <Myke> just open, xmms, and go to options
[11:52] <Myke> and change from oss into esound or alsa
 i've just noticed something.. by default... oss based apps don't work
[11:53] <rory__> lol, thought oss there was "open source software"
[11:53] <Djrom> :'(
[11:53] <Myke> rory__: yes.. but, now kernel comes with alsa... alsa has a module to provide oss emulation of something
[11:53] <rory__> ye i know
[11:54] <atropus> Snipes: i type the command line : gftp but it doesn't run because it doesnt find gftprc file
[11:54] <Myke> oss i guess means something like open sound system, or something like that...
[11:54] <Myke> it's to early here to be sure on the details..
[11:54] <Myke> i'm still in bed :)
[11:55] <Myke> verden01: you can reboot your computer and when grub menu appears, press "esc"
[11:55] <atropus> Snipes: my .gftp directory is empty
[11:55] <Myke> then, select the second option, you have, the normal kernel, kernel in rescue mode and memtest, chose the second
[11:56] <Mesta> hey daniels you there?
[11:57] <|progenic|> anybody ? how to solve my space problem ? in windows i see that my partition still left wif 4 GB but in linux already used up all
[11:58] <Myke> |progenic|: how big is your partition
[11:58] <Myke> if, you do: sudo df
[11:58] <Myke> do you still see it full?
[11:59] <|progenic|> 112 GB
[11:59] <|progenic|> all my harddisk
[11:59] <Snipes> did you install it with sudo? have you tried running it with sudo? the only thing i can think of is permission problems. but im a newbie to ubuntu.
[11:59] <|progenic|> yup, still full Myke
[12:00] <Matt|> guys what package provides gnome-panel-screenshot do you know?
[12:00] <Myke> |progenic|: wait.. i didn't understand then..
[12:00] <Myke> you have one disc, with 112 gb, just with one partition, in windows you have 4 gb free, in linux, none
[12:01] <|progenic|> yup
[12:01] <|progenic|> correct
[12:01] <Myke> are you running linux in vmware?
[12:01] <|progenic|> nope
[12:01] <|progenic|> i install it in my other HDD
[12:01] <|progenic|> C
[12:01] <|progenic|> this drive that full is D
[12:01] <|progenic|> it's external HDD
[12:01] <Matt|> also, nautilus doesn't seem to know which program to use to open .xls files. Is this something to do with the new openoffice packages?
[12:02] <Snipes> atropus: sorry i cant help more, time to go. :(
[12:02] <Myke> the external drive, is what? ntfs? vfat?
[12:02] <|progenic|> FAT32
[12:02] <atropus> Snipes: Ok
[12:02] <|progenic|> all in FAT32
[12:04] <herman_> is there some tool to browse an rsync share/repository/server ?
[12:04] <Matt|> herman_, does nautilus do it?
[12:07] <herman_> Matt|, not sure, rsync://ipadres is an invalid location
[12:07] <Matt|> herman_, are you running an rsyncd?
[12:08] <Matt|> herman_, because nautilus will do ssh nicely
[12:09] <Matt|> guys what package provides gnome-panel-screenshot do you know?
[12:09] <|progenic|> weird thing is, if i use du -sh i got 108 which is correct space, but df -h i got 100% used which is 112
[12:09] <|progenic|> :S
[12:17] <nessmuk> can anyone help a MacUser figure out how to load dvorak keymaps and easily switch back and forth to qwerty+
[12:18] <nessmuk> erhm....I'm running Ubuntu now.
[12:19] <theine> Hi, where can i get older versions of ubuntu .deb packages (i.e. linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-386)?
[12:20] <Treenaks> theine: why would you want an older version?
[12:20] <Treenaks> theine: there are 2 versions: one in warty, one in hoary (I think..)
[12:21] <theine> Treenaks, because the newer version doesn't play well with custom drivers for my wireless card
[12:21] <theine> Treenaks: of course, i just get the warty one then...
[12:23] <Treenaks> theine: fix the custom driver :)
[12:23] <Matt|> theine, you have recompiled the driver again?
[12:24] <Matt|> theine, i normally need to do that with my wireless driver after a change of kernels
[12:25] <theine> Matt: yes I did, but I have major problems with the new linux-image
[12:25] <Matt|> k
[12:25] <Matt|> theine, file it maybe?
[12:25] <theine> Matt: I don't think it's a bug
[12:26] <Matt|> theine, k
[12:26] <theine> Matt: The ipw2100 patch in the ubuntu kernel sources is just very different from the official kernel patch you get at ipw2100.sourceforge.net
[12:27] <Treenaks> theine: what's wrong with it then?
[12:27] <Matt|> theine, yeah it is the same with my wireless card, but even so you should be able to stop it from loading that one and load yours
[12:27] <NanoTek> Does anyone have some troubles with grub and high disk capacity (200 GB for example). I cannot boot on it without making a lot of crtl+alt+suppr !!!
[12:27] <Matt|> theine, do you start the card with a custom script of the networking script?
[12:27] <theine> Matt: No
[12:27] <Myke> theine: you can always download a pristine kernel, add the ipw2100 kernel patch and compile yourself
[12:27] <theine> Matt: Do you?
[12:28] <theine> Myke: Thanks, I know that
[12:28] <theine> Treenaks: The version of the ipw2100 driver in the ubuntu kernel is just very old
[12:29] <Myke> if you're afraid it's to complicated to match your current kernel configuration.. it's not... in /boot you have a file with your current config, just copy that to .config in the place you untar the kernel
[12:29] <theine> Treenaks: i need a newer one to connect to my router
[12:31] <cristiano> hi guys need a little explanation here:)
[12:31] <Matt|> cristiano, sup
[12:32] <cristiano> i have to install Matlab 7 for linux but when i use the ./install command it says "/bin/sh bad interpreter:permission denied" how can i solve this?
[12:32] <rory__> change to root
[12:32] <bob2> no
[12:33] <cristiano> already done, but even under root it doesn't work
[12:33] <bob2> cristiano: can you run 'mount' and look at the options for the disk you're running the script on?
[12:33] <cristiano> bob2: ok i do it right now
[12:34] <cristiano> bob2: btw, even if i copy all the cd on the hd the problem persists
[12:36] <cristiano> bob2: this is what mount says about cdrom: /dev/hdd on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[12:36] <cristiano> maybe the prob is a wrong version of "bash"? if so which version should i install?
[12:36] <bob2> cristiano: remove the nonexecc option
[12:36] <bob2> no, it's not a problem with bash
[12:36] <bob2> run 'sh ./install'
[12:37] <cristiano> ok i try
[12:37] <subterri1ic> sweet, my transition from gentoo to ubuntu went really smoothly
[12:37] <cristiano> IT WORKS!!!:D:D:D
[12:37] <bob2> yeah
[12:37] <subterri1ic> i got postfix-tls, courier-imap-ssl, and sshd configs all transitioned
[12:37] <cristiano> bob2: THX BOB!!!:D:D:D
[12:38] <bob2> the cd is mounted noexec, so it on't let you run stuff off it directly
[12:38] <cristiano> bob2 never thought to use the command this way!
[12:38] <Matt|> *grins* you're the bomb
[12:38] <cristiano> :D
[12:38] <bob2> hehe
[12:38] <Matt|> hi bob2
[12:38] <Matt|> hope you're getting on ok with the weather
[12:38] <bob2> hey
[12:38] <Matt|> gtg
[12:48] <theine> Is it possible to mark certain packages as not to be upgraded?
[12:52] <bob2> theine: you can put them on hold
[12:52] <theine> bob2: that's exactly what i want to do, but how?
[12:53] <bob2> theine: I'm sure synaptic has an option somewhere...
[12:53] <bob2> (I don't use it)
[12:55] <theine> bob2: After taken a closer look I saw it does, most intuitively it's called ``lock version''... Thanks
[12:55] <bob2> ah
[12:56] <theine> That is so nice
[12:56] <nessmuk> does anyone here use the dvorak keyboard layout?
[12:57] <potato> I used to be on quertz for a while
[12:57] <theine> potato: me too, but it's just totally vi incompatible... :)
[12:58] <potato> hahaha
[12:58] <potato> I thought vi was supposed to work on everything well
[12:59] <nessmuk> potato theine I've heard that wrt Emacs also.
[12:59] <theine> potato: well yes, but forward search ``shift-7'' and backwards shift ``shift-backslash'' is just very inconvinient
[12:59] <theine> nessmuk: I'm sure it's the same with emacs
[01:00] <theine> nessmuk: But I can't really tell
[01:00] <potato> I'm just a user, not an admin
[01:00] <nessmuk> theine: a while back I was flush and bought a Dvortyboard for my linux box. It's cool but I'd like to know how to change the keymap
[01:00] <potato> but I own my box :)
[01:00] <nessmuk> potato: what's mcedit?
[01:01] <bohrbug> In ubuntu, my cpu is idle for 5 seconds, then plunges to 75%, and then 5 seconds normal. How on earth can I narrow down the process that eats CPU every sixth second?
[01:02] <theine> nessmuk: I always forget how to change the keyboard layout, but it's very easy
[01:02] <theine> nessmuk: take a look at /usr/share/keymaps/i386/dvorak
[01:02] <bob2> bohrbug: run top
[01:03] <bob2> watch it carefully
[01:03] <theine> nessmuk: in the console, you can just do ``loadkeys dvorak'', and something very similar under X...
[01:04] <potato> nessmuk, it's the editor that comes with mc
[01:04] <potato> mc = midnight commander
[01:04] <theine> nessmuk: why not just use the gnome keyboard preferences?
[01:04] <grif2010> hi guys! tell me plz..is the wine version from ubuntu repositories good or not...is it the last version?
[01:05] <bohrbug> bob2: ok, thanks
[01:05] <zombics> can some1 see something wrong with this lines in grub?
[01:05] <zombics>  title=Windows XP
 root (hd0,1)
 makeactive
 chainloader +
[01:05] <theine> isn't it ``chainloader +1''
[01:06] <theine> ?
[01:06] <zombics> title=Windows XP
[01:06] <zombics> root (hd0,1)
[01:06] <zombics> makeactive
[01:06] <zombics> chainloader +1
[01:06] <zombics> here
[01:06] <theine> ok :-)
[01:06] <bob2> grif2010: warty was more or less frozen in june
[01:06] <nessmuk> theine: I tried loadkeys but it didn't work. Can't see the option to select in the gnome prefs
[01:06] <bob2> grif2010: so warty will have whatever version of wine sid had in june
[01:06] <zombics> its still not working :/
[01:06] <bob2> don't know if it's the latest or not
[01:06] <Limix\away> hi
[01:06] <zombics> my windows is in hda1
[01:06] <Limix\away> how do i play mp3's
[01:06] <Limix\away> on ubuntu
[01:06] <bob2> Limix\away: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:06] <zombics> use xmms
[01:06] <bob2> Limix\away: (it's in the FAQ mentioned in the topic, too)
[01:07] <theine> nessmuk: it's under ``desktop preferences -> keyboard -> layouts''
[01:07] <zombics> Limix\away, sudo apt-get install xmms
[01:07] <kensai_>  06:55:29 up 167 days,  5:31,  0 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.23, 0.24
[01:07] <paperflake> anyone know how to mount ntfs so user can read it and not only root ?
[01:07] <Limix\away> zombics
[01:07] <grif2010> bob2: i have tried to install wine but on stage MAKE it gives a mistake...can i send it to u in private?
[01:07] <bob2> paperflake: use the 'umask=002' option to mount
[01:07] <Limix\away> i dont have the internet on the labtop
[01:07] <theine> nessmuk: there are several dvorak layouts in the right hand side
[01:07] <bob2> grif2010: huh?  it's a package.
[01:07] <Limix\away> can i put the file on a disk and run it to listen to mp3s
[01:07] <Limix\away> ?
[01:08] <grif2010> bob2: tar.gz
[01:08] <zombics> o... you can put the .deb file there...
[01:08] <bob2> grif2010: why don't you just use the package?
[01:08] <Limix\away> can you tell me how hehe
[01:08] <grif2010> bob2: deb?
[01:08] <bob2> Limix\away: you can just download the gstreamer0.8-mad .deb
[01:08] <bob2> grif2010: yes
[01:08] <bohrbug> bob2: thanks, solved it, it was the usb-agent
[01:08] <kensai_> paperflake, did you added users to the fstab line?
[01:08] <paperflake> bob2, will this work then mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 umask=002    ?
[01:09] <bob2> bohrbug: ah
[01:09] <bob2> paperflake: no
[01:09] <grif2010> bob2: i dont know how to install it...i ll have to read some stuff first...so anyway do u want to see the error?
[01:09] <Limix\away> bob2: what's the URL for gstreamer0.8-mad .deb
[01:09] <bob2> paperflake: mount -t ntfs -o umask=002 /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever
[01:09] <paperflake> kensai_, not sure what u mean
[01:09] <Treenaks> Limix\away: just enable the 'universe' repository in synaptic
[01:09] <bob2> grif2010: no, I don't
[01:09] <bob2> grif2010: install the 'wine' package using synaptic
[01:09] <Treenaks> Limix\away: the "update", then you can select it in the list
[01:09] <paperflake> hmmm
[01:09] <bob2> grif2010: wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[01:09] <paperflake> let me try
[01:10] <Treenaks> Limix\away: or look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:10] <ztonzy> hey! anyone who has upgrade to a 2.6.9 kernel ? (for better hardware support)
[01:10] <Limix\away> Treenaks: u tryed that but my laptop has no internet connection
[01:10] <grif2010> bob2: ok...thanks!
[01:10] <bob2> Treenaks: he/she has no internet access
[01:10] <|progenic|> anybody, is there anyway i can fix my problem ? I have one HDD which is connected thru pcmcia and it has 112 GB size in FAT32, but when i browse from windows, i still have 4 GB, but in linux if i use df -h i see all 100% used up (112 GB), but if i use du -sh in that drive i see 108 but still i cannot copy anything into it, as it return error message that my drive already full
[01:10] <nessmuk> theine: I only see scandinavian layouts, no English
[01:10] <kensai_> my hoary broke in the worst matter
[01:10] <kensai_> it was almos suicidal
[01:10] <bob2> kensai_: hoary is expected to break sometimes
[01:11] <Limix\away> i cant find the gstreamer0.8-mad .deb file
[01:11] <nessmuk> theine:I'm wondering if I need to add a keymap so it shows in the options
[01:11] <paperflake> bob2,  thanks i got it
[01:11] <Limix\away> http://henrik.synth.no/deb/ does not work
[01:12] <paperflake> kensai, what should it look like it fstab ?
[01:13] <kensai> I cant get the freaking n with the ~ on top to work on gnome how can I make this?
[01:14] <nessmuk> theine: when I ls in /usr/share/keymaps/i386/ it shows dvorak as one of the files
[01:14] <nessmuk> theine: how do I load that?
[01:14] <Limix\away> i i have the gstreamer file on disk
[01:14] <Limix\away> what do i do to install it
[01:15] <wii> Limix\away apt?
[01:15] <Limix\away> gstreamer0.8-mad .deb
[01:15] <cardador> Limix\away: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:15] <cardador> Limix\away: use synaptic to install stuff, dont dowload the debs yourself
[01:15] <ztonzy> how do one know what webcams Ubuntu support ?
[01:16] <paperflake> Limix\away, apt-get install <filename>
[01:16] <kensai> paperflake, man is been ages since I don't mount windows I'll try and look to help you ;)
[01:16] <zombics> can soem1 ssee something wrong with this?: title=Windows XP
[01:16] <zombics> root (hd0,1)
[01:16] <zombics> makeactive
[01:16] <zombics> chainloader +1
[01:17] <paperflake> kensai,  this is what i got .... /dev/hda1 /mnt/w2k ntfs user,uid=1000 0 0
[01:17] <cardador> zombics: i have root (hd0,0), dont know if its the same for you
[01:17] <Limix\away> ty
[01:17] <zombics> cardador, you win is in hda1?
[01:18] <cardador> zombics: yes
[01:18] <zombics> so it can be it :) thx
[01:19] <kensai> paperflake, /dev/hda1  /mnt/win  ntfs  nls=iso8859-1,ro,umask=0  0  0
[01:20] <kensai> paperflake, that should do it
[01:20] <theine> nessmuk: just use the keyboard preferences under gnome, that works for sure
[01:21] <kensai> paperflake, and maybe add auto to the line like this, /dev/hda1  /mnt/win  ntfs  nls=iso8859-1,ro,umask=0  0  0
[01:21] <kensai> paperflake, sorry like this: /dev/hda1  /mnt/win  ntfs  auto,nls=iso8859-1,ro,umask=0  0  0
[01:22] <kensai> freaking hate having to use putty at university
[01:22] <kensai> I should have installed linux on university pc's
[01:22] <ReptiX> lol
[01:22] <ReptiX> yUp
[01:23] <kensai>  07:11:21 up 167 days,  5:47,  0 users,  load average: 0.37, 0.48, 0.35
[01:23] <kensai> good the power of linux 167 days
[01:24] <potato> a big uptime just means that your kernel is old :)
[01:25] <rory__> lol
[01:25] <jordi> phear the power of local root exploits :)
[01:26] <kensai> jordi, lol
[01:26] <rory__> kensai, at my university the commerce dept runs windows and the compsci dept runs freebsd with thin clients
[01:26] <teringTuby> I 've lost my /boot/initrd.img files, how can i put ithem back so that at least one of my kernels will boot?...
[01:26] <kensai> potato, well old kernels work better 2.6 isn't stable enough to be up 1 week ;)
[01:27] <wii> wish a rootkit of santa
[01:27] <kensai> rory__, Kool
[01:27] <rory__> so whenever i actually need to get something done i use the commerce pcs :p
[01:27] <rory__> its faster to use them and putty than the thin clients
[01:29] <ReptiX> PLEAS EHELP ASAP URGENT: I HAVE cable internet its been working and now i can only chat and not see webpageS PLEASE HELP
[01:29] <jordi> omg
[01:29] <rory__> have you installed ubuntu ReptiX?
[01:29] <potato> ReptiX, echo nameserver IP > /etc/resolv.conf
[01:29] <ReptiX> yea
[01:30] <nessmuk> theine: I can see dvorak in /usr/share/keys but I get an error when I try loadkeys in the console
[01:30] <ReptiX> what?
[01:30] <ReptiX> what do i type
[01:30] <potato> IP being an IP of your ISPs DNS
[01:30] <nessmuk> theine: it says Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
[01:30] <stuNNed> jordi, omg omg omg :)
[01:30] <Kamion> teringTuby: they should just be symlinks to other files in /boot
[01:30] <ReptiX> UM
[01:30] <ReptiX> ?
[01:30] <ReptiX> please
[01:30] <kensai> my hoary broke in a way I can't use internet now
[01:31] <kensai> I'll go back to SID again because of this
[01:31] <kensai> :(
[01:31] <teringTuby> kamion: i've done a dist-upgrade and now none of my kerneld will boot from grub, the inrd.imgs do not  exist...
[01:31] <rory__> well i went back to windows cos of internet
[01:31] <ReptiX> well my internet WAS working
[01:31] <ReptiX> then when i wokeup turned my monitor on its not workin
[01:32] <theine> nessmuk: yes, loadkeys doesn't work under X
[01:32] <Myke> ReptiX: is dns down?
[01:32] <theine> nessmuk: What's wrong with the keyboard preferences?
[01:32] <ReptiX> maybe
[01:32] <Myke> ReptiX: try to do: dig www.google.com
[01:32] <theine> nessmuk: ...under gnome?
[01:32] <Myke> in shell
[01:33] <kensai> And maybe in 2020 when hurd is finished I'll switch ROFL
[01:33] <mjr> kensai, hey, that's my plan too ;)
[01:33] <ReptiX> ok
[01:33] <ReptiX> dig: Couldn't find server 'IP': Temporary failure in name resolution
[01:34] <theine> nessmuk: now i know, do ``setxkbmap dvorak''
[01:34] <Myke> so, you problem is with dns, probably
[01:34] <theine> nessmuk: instead of ``loadkeys dvorak''
[01:34] <Myke> try: ping 216.239.59.99
[01:35] <Myke> if you can ping that (www.google.com)
[01:35] <Myke> then you have net, just dns down
[01:35] <ReptiX> it wont stop
[01:35] <ReptiX> lol
[01:35] <Myke> (stupid me... you're talking here.. of course you have net)
[01:35] <ReptiX> dns down?
[01:35] <Skwid_> anybody installed apache on ubuntu ?
[01:35] <mjr> Skwid_, yes, goes in quite nicely
[01:35] <Myke> doko: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:36] <Myke> s/doko/do
[01:36] <ReptiX> 63 packets transmitted, 63 received, 0% packet loss, time 62055ms
[01:36] <ReptiX> root@Host41:/var/www/vhcs2/engine/setup # cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:36] <ReptiX> nameserver IP
[01:36] <Myke> ReptiX: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:36] <ReptiX> what my nameserver ip
[01:36] <ReptiX> err
[01:36] <ReptiX> i think you found the error
[01:36] <Skwid_> mjr: the config is awkward
[01:37] <Myke> IP, should be the ip of your nameserver
[01:37] <ReptiX> can you find it
[01:37] <ReptiX> i have no clue of it
[01:37] <ReptiX> and i cant find it right now
[01:37] <ReptiX> i dont have net
[01:37] <Myke> what's your isp?
[01:37] <ReptiX> i have mindspring/earthlink
[01:37] <Gmail> ReptiX: READ THE GUIDES i told you to do so first in #vhcs before you ask questions
[01:37] <ReptiX> earthlink
[01:38] <ReptiX> GMAIL Im at the point were ONLY Someone can help me
[01:38] <ReptiX> i need to get the ip
[01:38] <ReptiX> and i have no way of it without someone else
[01:38] <wii> 207.69.188.185
[01:38] <ReptiX> TO BAD I CANT GMAIL, I DONT HAVE NET YET
[01:38] <wii> 207.69.188.186
[01:38] <Myke> ReptiX: 207.69.188.185, 207.69.188.186, and 207.69.188.187
[01:38] <ReptiX> thanks
[01:38] <ReptiX> put all three in there?
[01:39] <Myke> can be...
[01:39] <Myke> one per line
[01:39] <Myke> nameserver ip1
[01:39] <Myke> nameserver ip2
[01:39] <Myke> and so on
[01:39] <ReptiX> ok thanks
[01:39] <ReptiX> do i need to rehash somthing?
[01:40] <ReptiX> or will it take place imediatly so i CAN go read the guides for gmail
[01:41] <daniels> Gmail: please stop being aggressive
[01:41] <ReptiX> thanks so much guys
[01:41] <Gmail> daniels: lol
[01:42] <Treenaks> Gmail: no really
[01:42] <Skwid_> my xmms can't seem to open .mp3
[01:42] <Gmail> your welcome to get screemed at anytime
[01:42] <daniels> Gmail: seriously.
[01:42] <Skwid_> but gxine works just fine
[01:42] <daniels> Gmail: i'm serious.  if you cannot be polite, please leave.
[01:43] <ReptiX> gmail: theres only so much a newb can do on a new os without a internet help guide
[01:43] <ReptiX> if you dont have internet
[01:43] <michetti> can anyboy help with a GRUB problem?
[01:43] <michetti> anybody
[01:43] <Gmail> ReptiX: heh nameservers
[01:43] <Sensebend> michetti, just ask your question, don't ask to ask :)
[01:44] <michetti> Sensebend, ok :)
[01:44] <Djrom> I've got a problem...my Xorg boot on black screen. When i return in console, and in X...i've got x in 640x480
[01:45] <SepheeBear> way to go ubuntu december artwork
[01:45] <mjr> yes, it's nice
[01:45] <mjr> but January is probably the guy's turn ;)
[01:46] <michetti> Sensebend, I install Ubunto, but when it reboot I got "GRUB loading, please wait..." and nothing happens. Bug 3973
[01:46] <SepheeBear> yeah bummer that
[01:46] <michetti> Ubuntu, sorry
[01:46] <paperflake> SepheeBear, where u get the artwork ?
[01:47] <Sensebend> paperflake it's in the repositories
[01:47] <SepheeBear> paperflake: it was new in the ubuntu apt repository
[01:48] <Skwid_> anybody french here ?
[01:48] <iz> je ne pas french
[01:49] <Gmail> how do i stop resolvconf taking over my nameservers?
[01:49] <Gmail> # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8)
[01:49] <nessmuk> if setxkbmap dvorak changes to dvorak, how do I change it back to qwerty?
[01:49] <Skwid_> MySQL Error : 2002 - Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
[01:49] <Skwid_> :/
[01:49] <daniels> nessmuk: 'setxkbmap us'
[01:49] <iz> Skwid_, start it
[01:50] <Skwid_> iz: not stupid :)
[01:51] <Todd_MA_1975> Was I the only one who downloaded the new Ubuntu Calendar background when he realized that today was Dec. 1?
[01:51] <Moof> Ubuntu calendar backgrond?
[01:51] <Todd_MA_1975> And they thought the original 3-some was provocative....
[01:52] <iz> Skwid_, $connect = mysql_connect("localhost", "root", NULL ) or die ("Database connection error, check your server connection" );
[01:52] <Moof> Todd_MA_1975: where?
[01:52] <Todd_MA_1975> Moof:  Desktop Wallpaper
[01:52] <Treenaks> Todd_MA_1975: is it online somewhere?
[01:52] <Gmail> how do i stop resolvconf taking over my nameservers????????
[01:52] <michetti> I install Ubunto, but when it reboot I got "GRUB loading, please wait..." and nothing happens. Bug 3973. Can anybody help?
[01:52] <Skwid_> iz: what's the command to start it ?
[01:52] <bob2> Gmail: uninstall it
[01:53] <Todd_MA_1975> all apt-get install ubuntu-calendar-december
[01:54] <iz> mysqld start
[01:54] <nessmuk> daniels: thnx...now I just need to learn how to create alias for quick change. Still can't find it in gnome/keyboard/layouts!
[01:54] <Todd_MA_1975> apt-get install ubuntu-calendar and using it as your background will give you a different wallpaper every month
[01:54] <Skwid_> iz: what dir ?
[01:54] <iz> Skwid_, locate mysqld
[01:55] <ethan68> hi
[01:55] <iz> /usr/sbin/mysqld
[01:55] <iz> but mayve its better to start /usr/bin/mysqld_safe
[01:55] <Kamion> michetti: is the hard disk light flashing?
[01:55] <Skwid_> iz: nop :/
[01:55] <iz> Skwid_, you using ubuntu?
[01:56] <Skwid_> yep
[01:56] <michetti> Kamion, no
[01:56] <Skwid_> it's not there ..
[01:56] <Skwid_> but the package is installed
[01:56] <iz> mysql-server?
[01:56] <iz> sudo atp-get install mysql-server
[01:57] <ethan68> I tried to install ubunto to my thinkpad 600x but I after to have configurated the partition the formating procedure doesn't work
[01:57] <Kamion> michetti: if LILO also didn't work, it sounds more likely to be a kernel bug than a GRUB bug
[01:57] <iz> or use the apt-cache search mysql
[01:57] <ethan68> someone has any ideas?
[01:57] <nessmuk> g'nite good people....one lowend, point'n'click Macuser here....thanks for your help!
[01:57] <Kamion> ethan68: please explain what you're seeing in more detail
[01:57] <Treenaks> ethan68: "it doesn't work" is a bit vague
[01:58] <Treenaks> ethan68: (and it's "ubuntu", not "ubunto" :))
[01:58] <iz> ethan68, weird
[01:58] <michetti> Kamion, I also can't use Live CD selecting 'Ubunto'. It only works if I use 'Ubunto Safe Mode'.
[01:58] <Skwid_> iz: i only have mysql common
[01:59] <ethan68> OK the formatting procedure fail. I tried both with ext3 and reiserfs
[01:59] <iz> install mysql-server Skwid_
[01:59] <Skwid_> ok
[01:59] <stuNNed> how do i disable tooltips?
[02:00] <ethan68> Checking the /dev/ide/disk/..... It seems that there aren't the partition nodes?.
[02:01] <CBEPX-KOPOBA> can i get some support here?
[02:02] <CBEPX-KOPOBA> when launching ubuntu it says there already apears an xserver running on display :0
[02:02] <CBEPX-KOPOBA> anyone knows what is the problem?
[02:02] <CBEPX-KOPOBA> thnx
[02:02] <ethan68> My harddisk has three partition one for XP one for Ubuntu and the swap, but it seems that the partition hda2 and hda3 aren't recognize
[02:03] <ethan68> I saw them with parted but i can mount them with mount because there aren't the correct /dev.... mount point
[02:03] <ethan68> someone could help me?
[02:04] <Treenaks> ethan68: have you looked on the wiki (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki)?
[02:04] <|progenic|> anybody, is there anyway i can fix my problem ? I have one HDD which is connected thru pcmcia and it has 112 GB size in FAT32, but when i browse from windows, i still have 4 GB, but in linux if i use df -h i see all 100% used up (112 GB), but if i use du -sh in that drive i see 108 but still i cannot copy anything into it, as it return error message that my drive already full
[02:05] <Treenaks> |progenic|: repeating the same question over and over will not help
[02:05] <Treenaks> |progenic|: I don't think here is a solution
[02:05] <|progenic|> then ?
[02:05] <Treenaks> |progenic|: if there is one, it's in man mount or man fstab
[02:05] <|progenic|> i dun think it's about the mounting prob
[02:05] <|progenic|> my C is correct
[02:06] <Treenaks> |progenic|: really, it might be a mount option
[02:06] <Treenaks> |progenic|: check it, please
[02:06] <paperflake> Todd_MA_1975, where is that calender thing ?
[02:07] <michetti> Kamion, any idea?
[02:07] <Treenaks> paperflake: in the 'ubuntu-calendar' package
[02:07] <cardador> paperflake: computer, syst conf, synaptic, search for ubuntu-calendar
[02:08] <paperflake> i go apt-get install ubuntu-calender, but it doesnt' find it
[02:09] <Todd_MA_1975> paperflake: calendar not calender
[02:10] <paperflake> esh
[02:11] <cardador> paperflake: its easier if you use synaptic instead of command line with apt
[02:12] <paperflake> Todd_MA_1975, still nothing i am using the default install though no the hedgehog :)
[02:12] <paperflake> which repositories do i need ?
[02:12] <Evaso> hi, i had read on the wiki that the hotplug now run faster, where can i download the newpackage?
[02:15] <SepheeBear> paperflake: ubuntu-calendar is in warty-security
[02:15] <Kamion> michetti: none currently I'm afraid; do you happen to know what extra arguments the safe mode option passes to the kernel?
[02:15] <Kamion> michetti: BTW it's "Ubuntu", not "Ubunto"
[02:15] <michetti> Kamion, ooops, sorry :)
[02:15] <Kamion> michetti: you could try booting with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic, or any combination of the above
[02:16] <SepheeBear> paperflake: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty-security main
[02:16] <michetti> Kamion, can I load my UBUNTU instalation on hda3 using the Live CD?
[02:17] <Treenaks> michetti: the Live CD can not be used for installing ubuntu
[02:17] <Kamion> what he said
[02:17] <Kamion> yay, fully-functional workaround for #3007
[02:19] <michetti> Treenaks, I know, I installed it from 'install CD' but GRUB didn't work. So I think I can try to load the Ubuntu I install on my hd using the Live CD
[02:20] <Myke> Kamion: safe mode passes algo: single
[02:26] <GotD0t> they're putting gnome 2.8 in debian sarge
[02:26] <Treenaks> GotD0t: yes.. good thing..
[02:26] <GotD0t> Treenaks: seems like it
[02:31] <herman_> i thought they frooze sarge
[02:31] <Myke> herman_: competition from ubuntu :)
[02:32] <herman_> Myke, well they'll never win with a release cycle of 3 or 4 years vs 6 months:)
[02:33] <Myke> well, ubuntu gave me some entusiasm to hack in linux once more... :)
[02:33] <Kamion> herman_: we (sarge RMs) decided that GNOME 2.8 was better than the alternative. No, we'd only frozen sarge base+standard.
[02:34] <Myke> i look to ubuntu and i say... it's almost there...
[02:34] <Myke> just a few details more...
[02:34] <zenwhen> I look to ubuntu and I say.... why am I about to talk to my operating system?
[02:34] <Myke> ehehehe
[02:35] <Myke> well... to be "perfect" for me... ubuntu just needs, small changes... very small...
[02:36] <Myke> kernel with suspend2 support
[02:36] <Myke> bootsplash (or something similar)
[02:36] <Myke> upnp suport in major aplications, (most notably, gaim)
[02:37] <Myke> gnomemeeting with v4l2
[02:37] <GotD0t> ok i have a friend who ssh'd into my box last night around 20:00 and i know for a fact that he logged out, but "who" is still showing him as being logged in, as well as some other shells that should be closed
[02:37] <zenwhen> Wel I dont like bootsplashes and hope to not see one next time I install ubuntu.
[02:37] <zenwhen> lol
[02:38] <zenwhen> I like by black and white text. Bootsplashes are simple enough to do yourself.
[02:38] <GotD0t> any way i can update the list of users logged in?
[02:38] <zenwhen> my*
[02:43] <Kamion> GotD0t: there was an old bug in sshd about that, but it's long since been fixed, I thought
[02:44] <Myke> zenwhen: there could be a bootsplash + suspend2 version kernel
[02:44] <Myke> it would be great to install ubuntu
[02:44] <Kamion> we're not going to do separate kernels for features
[02:44] <Myke> and be able to suspend the laptop
[02:44] <GotD0t> Kamion: sshd?
[02:44] <Kamion> bootsplash will happen in userspace
[02:44] <Myke> and, when on again, just see a graphic progress bar for a few seconds, then back to work
[02:44] <GotD0t> Kamion: i use openssh-server; could it be the fault of the client?
[02:44] <Kamion> GotD0t: your complaint sounds like http://bugs.debian.org/247538 to me
[02:45] <Kamion> GotD0t: no, anything called openssh-server has the ffix
[02:45] <Kamion> fix
[02:45] <Kamion> GotD0t: the client should not be able to cause that
[02:45] <GotD0t> Kamion: hmm
[02:46] <GotD0t> Kamion: w/e... ill worry bout it later, im off to class
[02:50] <Gmail> i see gnome-menus at last i can use xfce's menu editor to edit GNOME's menu and the one there already is shit and not what people look for
[03:06] <Skwid_> does apt-get and synaptic use the same packages ?
[03:06] <Treenaks> yes
[03:06] <Skwid_> so if I install something with apt-get
[03:06] <Skwid_> it will be displayed as installed in synaptic ?
[03:09] <Djrom> yep
[03:09] <Skwid_> ok :)
[03:10] <mojo> hi every1
[03:10] <mojo> :( I dun like the new OOo 1.1.3
[03:10] <Gmail> synaptic is a GUI for apt
[03:10] <mojo> its style is too Windows-ized!
[03:10] <mojo> I want a GTK2 build of OOo
[03:10] <paperflake> for sum reason i still am not able to find that ubuntu-calender in synaptic
[03:11] <Gmail> apt-get update
[03:11] <paperflake> i try
[03:11] <Gmail> or refrsh
[03:11] <drac`> mojo, build it your self it's opensource :)
[03:11] <Gmail> show us your responories
[03:11] <taita> salve a tutti
[03:12] <Gmail> what
[03:12] <paperflake> obviously synaptic isn't working well, coz apt-get is taking longer to get the update than synaptic...
[03:12] <mojo> no, y I need to? I'm waiting for new build GTK2 from Ubuntu team
[03:12] <paperflake> Gmail, i put them all in, including universe
[03:13] <Gmail> paperflake: what mirror?
[03:13] <paperflake> huh dun no
[03:14] <Gmail> what URI?
[03:14] <gholen> anyone here that writes in swedish?
[03:15] <paperflake> Gmail, what file is it in again
[03:16] <Djrom> but, when i dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it dont' ask to me monitor specs
[03:16] <Djrom> hi, i've got a serious problem with xorg.  Distrib : ubuntu . gdm start, but black screen... when i return in console (Ctrl Alt F2 ), et go back to X (Ctrl Alt F7), i have X...in 640x480 oO  (instead of 1024x768)
[03:17] <Gmail> paperflake: synaptic > settings respomsories
[03:17] <Skwid_> anyone knows how to change grub splash ?
[03:18] <Djrom> Skwid_  gruconf
[03:18] <paperflake> Gmail http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[03:18] <Djrom> Skwid_  grubconf
[03:18] <Gmail> pAntZ: thats the only one
[03:19] <Skwid_> ok
[03:19] <Gmail> paperflake: thats the only one?
[03:20] <paperflake> Gmail wait
[03:21] <Skwid_> skwid@LostOcean:/boot/grub $ grubconf
[03:21] <Skwid_> bash: grubconf: command not found
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Packages
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Packages
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Sources
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/main Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Sources
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://security.ubuntu.com warty-security/restricted Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Packages
[03:21] <Seveas> Skwid_: apt-get install grubconf
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Packages
[03:21] <hartbrkr> has anyone else had problems installing from the ubuntu cd's you've ordered from the site? it seems that all of the ones i got give me read errors. I burnt the iso I downloaded, and that installed fine
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Sources
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/main Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Sources
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/restricted Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[03:21] <Seveas> paperflake: stupid......
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Sources
[03:21] <paperflake> Hit http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Release
[03:21] <paperflake> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:21] <paperflake> root@impi:/w2k # apt-get install ubuntu-calender
[03:21] <paperflake> Reading Package Lists... Done
[03:21] <paperflake> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[03:21] <paperflake> E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-calender
[03:21] <paperflake> root@impi:/w2k #
[03:21] <paperflake> Seveas, ???
[03:22] <daniels> paperflake: please do not do that again
[03:22] <Seveas> calendar
[03:22] <Seveas> its an a
[03:22] <Skwid_> dude ... all that for an 'a' ..
[03:22] <paperflake> Seveas, hmmm
[03:22] <stvn> lol
[03:22] <hartbrkr> has anyone else had problems installing from the ubuntu cd's you've ordered from the site? it seems that all of the ones i got give me read errors. I burnt the iso I downloaded, and that installed fine
[03:22] <paperflake> daniels, waht the paste ?
[03:22] <daniels> paperflake: yeah
[03:23] <Seveas> yes that paste, that is annoying
[03:23] <daniels> paperflake: http://www.pastebin.com
[03:23] <Skwid_> Seveas & Djrom: thanks guys :)
[03:24] <paperflake> daniels,  and what do i do ther ?
[03:25] <paperflake> Seveas, thanks mate for the info....
[03:25] <Skwid_> I have charset problems on my ubuntu
[03:25] <Skwid_> where I have french accents in my windows folders, I get a '\351' instead
[03:26] <Tomcat_> I need to ask again... anybody knows what to do if I can't write to Windows shares although windows boxes can do it? The only way it works is through anonymous login...
[03:27] <hartbrkr> is it possible to write to NTFS partitions yet?
[03:27] <Tomcat_> hartbrkr: Yes.
[03:27] <paperflake> daniels, how do u see what i paste in that pastebin ??
[03:27] <Kamion> Tomcat_: not last time I checked
[03:28] <daniels> paperflake: you tell us the URL
[03:28] <Tomcat_> Kamion: captive-ntfs can do it.
[03:29] <hartbrkr> Tomcat_ is it safe though?
[03:29] <Skwid_> ??
[03:29] <Tomcat_> hartbrkr: Not sure... I don't use it.
[03:30] <paperflake> daniels, ?
[03:30] <daniels> paperflake: when you paste, it gives you a URL
[03:30] <paperflake> daniels, this one http://www.pastebin.com/125202
[03:30] <daniels> you can give that to us, and we can see your 50 lines there
[03:30] <daniels> right
[03:30] <Skwid_> anyone french ?
[03:31] <drac`> yes i am
[03:31] <paperflake> ok ty next time i'll use that, pardon that previous paste earlier
[03:31] <Skwid_> drac`: can you help me with a charset problem ?
[03:31] <drac`> it depends on the problem
[03:31] <Skwid_> Gtk-Message: Le nom du fichier Mes Vid\351os n'a pas pu tre converti en UTF-8. (essayez d'activer la variable d'environnement G_FILENAME_ENCODING): Squence d'octets non valide en entre du convertisseur
[03:32] <Treenaks> oh that
[03:32] <Treenaks> that's a bug
[03:32] <drac`> ask billou to get windows using utf8 ;)
[03:33] <drac`> accent in file name is not pretty clever since no one is using the same charset encoding ;)
[03:34] <Skwid_> drac`: true ...
[03:34] <Skwid_> i'll change that
[03:39] <rory__> jees
[03:39] <rory__> name your files using english ascii :p
[03:39] <Gwildor> the
[03:39] <Gwildor> sweet
[03:49] <LiamH> Do debian-marillat packages (like mplayer) work in ubuntu?
[03:50] <Treenaks> LiamH: yes
[03:50] <LiamH> Treenaks: thnx, I will add to my sources.list.
[03:54] <stuNNed> mozilla-mplayer is ah killin` mah ubununtu de la hoary :D
[04:00] <darkyojimbo> \join #ubuntu-it
[04:14] <linux_mafia> anyone know whats happening with panel applets in hoary? they all seem to have dissapeared and not be available anymore
[04:15] <stvn> they're still here
[04:15] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: reinstall gnome-applets
[04:15] <Treenaks> linux_mafia: if you update daily, they got removed yesterday
[04:16] <Treenaks> also, re-install gnome-desktop
[04:16] <linux_mafia> Treenaks, thanks, will do, i normally update daily, but today was the first time for a few, been busy with work n stuff, thanks for the heads up
[04:18] <stvn> anyone else has problems with ubuntu's version of mergeant?
[04:19] <stvn> eg. it doesn't start due to a missing lib
[04:24] <stuNNed_> has anyone else exp probs w/mozilla and ubununtu?
[04:24] <stuNNed_> eh, sorry, mplayer and mozilla-mplayer
[04:27] <stuNNed_> system freezes, uninstalled see if that's prob
[04:27] <cardador> is it just me or OpenOffice appearance is uglier than before?
[04:28] <afonit> I like openoffice's appearacne now
[04:28] <cardador> afonit: isnt it gray?
[04:28] <stuNNed_> cardador, much fuglier but latest
[04:30] <linux_mafia> i agree, it looks disturbing
[04:30] <linux_mafia> chose its own widget font too
[04:30] <afonit> cardador: no
[04:30] <cardador> linux_mafia: oo seemed fine to me before
[04:31] <linux_mafia> cardador, yeah me too
[04:33] <cardador> hmm now its fine :\ installed oo-gtk-gnome
[04:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> Does anyone here uses anjuta?
[04:34] <Myke> i'm curious... when i start firefox using keyboard shortcut, the start page i have defined, doesn't show up... firefox starts blank
[04:34] <Myke> anyone with this problem also?
[04:35] <cardador> _|Imanewbie|_: i do
[04:35] <Frank-Drebin> Myke: look at the command in the menu. Its different. It has variables included.
[04:35] <_|Imanewbie|_> cardador: Wich is the official website of the project I'm googling and beeing sent to an old site in source forge
[04:36] <Myke> shortcut should run "sensible-browser" i believe
[04:36] <NanoTek> kikoo !!!
[04:36] <Frank-Drebin> If I type firefox in cli it come up different then if I choose it in the menu
[04:36] <Myke> and if i run that from shell it shows up my start up page
[04:36] <Frank-Drebin> the menu entry shows this:   /usr/bin/mozffremote
[04:37] <SepheeBear> is there a way to change or add to the default keyboard shortcuts?
[04:37] <cardador> _|Imanewbie|_: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/, but its seems a little outdated
[04:37] <Myke> _|Imanewbie|_: i'm using anjuta
[04:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> Myke: do you know the url of the project? It used to be www.anjuta.org but seems it inst there anymore
[04:38] <SepheeBear> i'd like to reference the command 'eject' to close and open more than one drive
[04:40] <Myke> _|Imanewbie|_: what's not there?
[04:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> Myke: the website
[04:41] <Myke> i can see the site
[04:41] <Myke> just opened it right now
[04:41] <loz> how do I upgrade to hoary without killing my machine?  doe I just add the feeds and then mark all upgrades?
[04:41] <cardador> _|Imanewbie|_: http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/
[04:42] <warcraft3> how to open ports?
[04:42] <warcraft3> Warcraft III:
[04:42] <warcraft3>     * Allow port 6112 TCP out and allow established sessions in
[04:42] <warcraft3>     * Allow port 6112 TCP in (hosting custom games)
[04:42] <warcraft3>     * Allow port 6113-6119 TCP out and in (hosting custom games if youve changed the default port in the Options/Gameplay screen)
[04:43] <pridkett> warcraft3: you're not being very helpful.  What are you trying to open the ports on?  Your cable/dsl router?  Your ubuntu box that works as a router?  Your windows pc?
[04:44] <warcraft3> ubuntu box
[04:44] <warcraft3> because it all closed now?
[04:44] <pridkett> warcraft3: no, they should open up when you start warcraft 3 in wine
[04:44] <warcraft3> so I dont have to do any thing?
[04:44] <pridkett> warcraft3: there isn't a firewall that blocks any requests that ships with ubuntu (well, other than iptables)
[04:45] <warcraft3> good I will try
[04:45] <warcraft3> thank you
[04:45] <pridkett> warcraft3: you shouldn't have to do anything on your ubuntu box.  by default it should allow the connections.
[04:45] <cardador> warcraft3: o play online games and didnt have to open any port
[04:45] <cardador> *i play
[04:45] <wezzer> it depends does the game require open ports or not
[04:55] <Elwood> bah chatzilla?
[05:00] <ghita> I can't install ubuntu hoary from cd
[05:00] <ghita> can someone help?
[05:00] <ghita> I can't install ubuntu hoary from cd
[05:00] <ghita> can someone help?
[05:00] <NanoTek> hoary is a dev version
[05:00] <NanoTek> you need internet
[05:01] <ghita> ok
[05:01] <ghita> so how can i install it?
[05:01] <NanoTek> just chae in your sources.list the warty to hoary but it is not a good idea
[05:01] <NanoTek> s/chae/change
[05:01] <wood1> Hi to all
[05:02] <Kamion> NanoTek: CD installs are provided too, highly experimental
[05:02] <Kamion> ghita: what went wrong?
[05:02] <Kamion> ghita: and exactly what version of the CD were you using?
[05:02] <wood1> I am having problems while updating in Hoary
[05:02] <NanoTek> Kamion, oh i didn't know
[05:02] <ghita> but i got a dayly cd image from archive.ubuntulinux.org
[05:02] <ficusplanet> Hey everyone.  I was wondering if, in light of the current debate on desktop-devel, it would make sense to package epittance for hoary so that all the hoary users could compare g-u-s and epittance.  Any thoughts?
[05:02] <ghita> from 29.11.2004
[05:02] <ghita> and it can't seem to find my cd-rom
[05:03] <Kamion> ghita: 20041129 was broken; try 20041201.1
[05:03] <Kamion> ghita: (built with a broken version of udev)
[05:03] <ghita> o f#$%
[05:03] <ghita> :)
[05:03] <Nermal> helloooo :)
[05:03] <Kamion> ghita: use rsync; downloading just the differences will be relatively cheap that way
[05:03] <ghita> so that was the problem
[05:04] <Kamion> ghita: all versions from 20041127 to 20041201 had this bug
[05:04] <ghita> ok
[05:04] <wood1> Help I am having problems updating in Hoary !!!!!
[05:04] <Nermal> anyone got ndiswrapper version 0.11 or 0.12 to work in ubuntu?  I've got the source via apt, and built the debs with debian/rules, installed them, but the utils version doesn't match the driver version :\
[05:04] <Kamion> wood1: nobody's going to answer you unless you're specific
[05:04] <Nermal> wood1, how not to ask a question :)
[05:05] <Kamion> wood1: shouting vagueness louder is just going to make people ignore you.
[05:05] <Nermal> apparently my utils is still version 0.10 not 0.12, yet I uinstalled the ubuntu ndiswrapper package :|
[05:06] <Nermal> could I use a debian sid package providing it's not kernel dependent (ie: not the ndiswrapper modules)?
[05:06] <Nermal> if not, is there a way to update warty to hoary without a cd (I killed my pcmcia slot ) :|
[05:11] <mariano> Am I wrong or this is the Ubuntu channel?
[05:11] <Nermal> it is
[05:11] <mariano> great
[05:11] <Nermal> clues inclue the topic and the name of the channel
[05:11] <mariano> :D
[05:11] <mariano> Well, hi everyone from Barcelona, at 40km from Matar
[05:11] <Nermal> oooh.. my d key is dodgy..
[05:12] <sladen> mariano: I thought it was only about 15km from Barcelona when I looked on the map
[05:12] <mariano> it's a bit more
[05:12] <wood1> I am getting the Error while updating Hoary:   dpkg : Error Processing OpenOffice.org (start -- removed )
[05:12] <mariano> I know because I lived there 7 months
[05:12] <wood1> Kamion
[05:12] <Nermal> I was in sabadell at the weekend
[05:12] <wood1> Any ideas why I am getting errors
[05:13] <Nermal> because you are using an unstable version of a distribution ?
[05:13] <wood1> regarding OpenOffice.org
[05:13] <Nermal> oh
[05:13] <mariano> Sabadell? what did you loose there?
[05:13] <mariano> :)
[05:14] <Nermal> any sense of self worth /
[05:14] <wood1> Well is there a way to avoid the OpenOffice.org package while updating Hoary ?
[05:14] <wood1> Or do I have to wait for some updates later
[05:14] <bob2> wood1: you can put them on hold
[05:14] <bob2> wood1: 'lock version' in synaptic
[05:14] <bob2> wood1: but movign to hoary is a really bad idea at the moment if you're not an experienced user
[05:15] <ghita> so how can i use rsync to solve the problem?
[05:16] <bob2> ghita: go to the ubuntu website.  find the rsync url.  then ask how to use rsync.
[05:16] <bob2> ghita: go to the ubuntu website.  find the rsync url.  then ask how to use rsync.
[05:16] <ghita> ok
[05:16] <ghita> 10x
[05:16] <wood1> Well I am using Hoary in my Test PC
[05:16] <reddazz> hi every1
[05:16] <wood1> So is there a way to avoid the Errors while updating in Hoary ?
[05:17] <reddazz> got a problem with my screen resolution, it keeps being reset to the maximum everytime I reboot
[05:17] <wood1> bob2, you do have knowledge of SSH
[05:18] <bob2> yes
[05:18] <mariano> just a quick note for all of you who're going to Matar. If you're planning to visit a bit the city and want to find some wireless nodes check this out: http://www.enbicicleta.org/phpwirelessmap/
[05:18] <bob2> as would anyone who's used a *nix for very long
[05:18] <bob2> mariano: oh, cool, thanks!
[05:18] <wood1> How do I SSH to my Office PC which has a Static IP Address from my home which has only a Dial-Up Connection ?
[05:18] <bob2> wood1: it's really better to just ask your question than to ask if anyone knows about the topic first
[05:19] <bob2> wood1: 'ssh username@remotename'
[05:19] <wood1> Do I have to restrict some settings in my Office PC like opening some ports ?
[05:19] <Quazion> i guess it is better to dailin to your home computer
[05:19] <bob2> depends entirely on the setup of the 'office pc'
[05:19] <Quazion> or something
[05:19] <wood1> Which port does SSH normaly use ?
[05:19] <bob2> you'll need to talk to your network administrator
[05:19] <bob2> 22
[05:19] <Elwood> wood1,   21
[05:20] <Elwood> ops
[05:20] <Elwood> 22
[05:20] <wood1> So it goes like this:     ssh username@officeIP -p 21
[05:21] <wood1> Port Number for SSH is 21 or 22 ?
[05:22] <crimsun> 22 for sshd
[05:22] <Myke> 22
[05:22] <drac`> 22
[05:22] <Kabuto> Its 22 and sometimes 2022.  Depends on the server.
[05:22] <wood1> OK thanks
[05:23] <wood1> dir
[05:24] <bob2> I've never seen 2022
[05:26] <dieman> *yawn*
[05:27] <toxickore> mako_: sup
[05:29] <Nermal> dumb question people..
[05:29] <Nermal> I see ndiswrapper 0.11 in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/  and yet the latest I can see in apt is 0.10.  What is the reason for this and is there any way to get 0.11 ?
[05:30] <Kamion> 0.11's in hoary, not warty
[05:30] <Kamion> apt looks at the index files in /dists/<warty|hoary|etc.>/*/binary-$ARCH/
[05:30] <Kamion> if you need the newer version it's probably best to build it from the source package provided
[05:31] <bob2> Nermal: all the packages from all the versions of ubuntu are in the 'pool', the indexes telling apt which packages are in the dists dir
[05:31] <Kamion> (in /pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/)
[05:31] <eibhinn> must I log out & in for the menu to update after new installations?
[05:32] <Mesta> daniels
[05:32] <Nermal> bob2, ah.. ok..
[05:32] <Nermal> so 0.11 is for hoary ?
[05:33] <bob2> so it seems
[05:33] <Nermal> meh :(
[05:33] <Kamion> ndiswrapper |     0.10-1 |         warty | source
[05:33] <Kamion> ndiswrapper |     0.11-1 |         hoary | source
[05:33] <Nermal> bugger
[05:33] <bob2> as colin says, it's pretty easy to build the source package
[05:33] <Nermal> any non painful way to get it ?
[05:33] <Nermal> I tried :|
[05:34] <lupus_> if I remove /.gconf, will all still work but using default settings
[05:34] <Nermal> I got two debs out, utils and modules, installed both, but when I try to modprobe ndiswrapper, it's insisting the utils are version 0.10
[05:34] <Nermal> I followed the debian instructions on the ndiswrapper site, adding a line to apt.sources to get 0.12
[05:39] <Mesta> about fixed bugs, when one recieves notification on their ficxed status, how does one know that they are fixed in warty and not hoary?
[05:39] <sap> Hi, I'm trying to mount a music CD in a USB CD drive using 'sudo mount /dev/sr0 /cdrom' but mount wants the filesystem type. Does anyone know what file system I need to specify?
[05:40] <Nermal> you can't mount music cds for starters
[05:40] <bob2> Mesta: if it's not a security bug, it won't be fixed in warty
[05:40] <Mesta> oh :(
[05:40] <Nermal> or rather, you don't need to
[05:40] <bob2> warty is 'stable', meaning it doesn't change
[05:40] <Kamion> Mesta: I generally quote the whole changelog fragment when closing bugs, so you can tell
[05:40] <linux_mafia> as hardware-monitor is unavailable in hoary (temporarily i hope), are there any other panel applets that display cpu temp?
[05:40] <Kamion> since the first line has the distribution named in it
[05:46] <Mesta> just found it. "xorg (6.8.1-1ubuntu4) hoary; urgency=low"
[05:47] <Mesta> not quite the first line here but now I know where to look.  thnks
[05:50] <discharge> does anyone know how to make Yelp see the system man/info pages?  it only seems to show gnome documentation
[05:52] <discharge> like the url -- man:cat -- tries to open the cat man page in yelp but instead it doesn't find it
[05:52] <discharge> and i cant browse man page sections when opening yelp from the applications menu
[05:54] <discharge> like i could with debian or slackware
[05:56] <discharge> i'm guessing there's some sort of path that needs to be set but i couldn't find any useful documentation on google
[05:56] <Skwid_> how come i have to change my screen resolution everytime i reboot ubuntu ?
[05:57] <bob2> Skwid_: because you're only changing it with the gnome applet?
[05:57] <discharge> skwid, edit you XF86Config file, your default res for your default color depth should be listed first
[05:57] <Skwid_> do i need to change the conf file ?
[05:57] <Skwid_> hum, under Xorg ?
[05:58] <bob2> am I right?
[05:58] <discharge> ohh, i don't know about Xorg
[05:58] <Skwid_> bob2: yeah
[05:59] <theine> what's the difference between the official Ubuntu and the official Debian kernel? Just 3rd-party modules or more?
[06:00] <bob2> theine: ubuntu has more modules, yeah
[06:00] <EfaistOs> is there a way to burn a raw image with nautilus ?
[06:00] <bob2> they probably have roughly the same fixes
[06:00] <bob2> 'raw image'?
[06:00] <EfaistOs> an iso
[06:00] <Kamion> there are a few extra bits and pieces like mlock() as user
[06:00] <theine> bob2: alright, thanks
[06:00] <bob2> EfaistOs: right click on it
[06:00] <Kamion> but we try to stay mostly in sync
[06:01] <bob2> Kamion: oh yeah, good point
[06:01] <EfaistOs> bob2, and what ?
[06:02] <discharge> so does anyone know about to fix that yelp problem?
[06:02] <EfaistOs> i just burned a cd and nautilus cd burner burned it like an iso .... so i only have a file on it how to tell him to burn from an iso file ?
[06:02] <bob2> EfaistOs: select 'write to cd'.
[06:02] <Skwid_> is there an xorg config tool ?
[06:03] <EfaistOs> bob2, on my cd i have a *iso file ...
[06:03] <bob2> that's a pretty silly bug then
[06:03] <EfaistOs> yes it is
[06:04] <kelly_> Skwid_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. if you want to re-order the resolutions, you may be better off editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand
[06:05] <jind> quit later
[06:05] <jind> :P
[06:05] <Skwid_> ok
[06:05] <Skwid_> so i just change 1280 and 1024 on each line ?
[06:05] <Skwid_> i meant, switch
[06:05] <EfaistOs> bob2, someone on #gnome tells me to try nautilus-cd-burner iso_file
[06:06] <kelly_> yes. same as XF86Config, basically. X will start with whatever res is listed first, ctrl-alt-+ will cycle to the next, and so on
[06:06] <Skwid_> kelly_: ok
[06:07] <Skwid_> can i just delete the 1280 entries ?
[06:07] <kelly_> if you don't ever want to use them, sure
[06:07] <Skwid_> kelly_: well, my screen shakes on 1280,
[06:08] <Skwid_> but i'd rather be on 1280 :(
[06:09] <kelly_> that could be a problem with the refresh rate. if you have the specs for your monitor, make sure horizsync and vertrefresh are set properly. depends on the monitor, though, obviously
[06:09] <bob2> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:09] <EfaistOs> bob2, it's working with nautilus-cd-burner isofile directly then it doesnt make the cd image
[06:09] <EfaistOs> and it burn it directly
[06:09] <Skwid_> kelly_: hum, where can i find them ?
[06:09] <EfaistOs> weird
[06:09] <bob2> very
[06:10] <eruin> anyone know of a gtk2-gui text editor that supports regexp matching?
[06:10] <kelly_> Skwid_, your monitor's manual, or google, or maybe another OS if you have one on your computer
[06:11] <bob2> you're basing your app choice on the toolkit?
[06:11] <Skwid_> kelly_: ok, i'm looking
[06:13] <Skwid_> kelly_: found it :)
[06:13] <Skwid_> kelly_: don't really understand a thing though :/
[06:14] <nerozen> salut tlm
[06:14] <nerozen> hello everybody
[06:14] <nerozen> est ce que quelqu'un pourrait me filer un coup de main pour un pb sur une carte leadtek winfast tv et la distrib ubunut ?
[06:14] <nerozen> ubuntu
[06:15] <Skwid_> kelly_: it says it supports 1280*1024 though :/
[06:15] <crimsun> nerozen: English, please.
[06:15] <nerozen> ok
[06:15] <nerozen> my english is not very well
[06:15] <nerozen> i have a little problem with a tv card and ubuntu
[06:16] <nerozen> Ntv card : leadtek winfast - motherboard MSI K7N2 DELTA L nforce2 chipset
[06:17] <nerozen> the image quelity is very bad and i haven't sound
[06:21] <daniels> Mesta: sup
[06:30] <Matt|> hi, my rhythmbox is totally boned. Whenever i try and play an mp3 it crashes. Is this known or have I done something wrong to my system?
[06:30] <Kamion> that was reported on ubuntu-users recently
[06:30] <Matt|> ok cool
[06:31] <Matt|> i'll look in the bugs
[06:31] <seb128> (bugzilla is the right place for bugs)
[06:31] <Matt|> hi seb128
[06:31] <seb128> hey
[06:32] <Matt|> nautilus doesn't know how to load my .xls files: is that known too?
[06:32] <seb128> n
[06:32] <seb128> no
[06:32] <Matt|> seb128, can you try and reproduce?
[06:32] <seb128> I'm searching a xls file :p
[06:32] <Matt|> k
[06:33] <seb128> gnumeric is used here
[06:33] <Matt|> oh
[06:33] <Matt|> i probably don't have that installed
[06:33] <seb128> but right, openoffice is not listed
[06:33] <seb128> and should
[06:33] <Matt|> will you deal with it or shall i stick in a bug?
[06:33] <seb128> bug
[06:33] <Matt|> kthx
[06:34] <seb128> so we are sure to not forget it
[06:34] <Matt|> :)
[06:34] <seb128> that's a bug on openoffice.org
[06:34] <Matt|> ooh seb you do rhythmbox too?
[06:34] <Matt|> seb128, oh really file it against ooo?
[06:34] <Matt|> fine
[06:35] <seb128> I do rhythmbox yes, but not OO.o :p
[06:35] <seb128> the problem with the xls files is that:
[06:35] <seb128> [Invalid UTF-8]  Could not parse file '/usr/share/applications/ooo645calc.desktop': desktop entry contain line 'Comment[ca] =Fulla de c\xc3| lcul d'OpenOffice.org' which is not UTF-8
[06:35] <discharge> .xls files launch okay for me in nautilus
[06:35] <discharge> on warty
[06:36] <Matt|> seb128, thanks I'll put that in the bug
[06:36] <seb128> discharge: yes, I fixed that during the warty time, the change has been probably dropped during the update to 1.1.3
[06:37] <Matt|> yup its only since 1.1.3
[06:38] <Skwid_> I have problems with my mp3s ...
[06:38] <Skwid_> i read the restricted formats
[06:38] <deFrysk> use ogg
[06:38] <deFrysk> :D
[06:38] <Matt|> Skwid_, wassup
[06:38] <discharge> hey i have this problem with yelp, i'll try asking again...
[06:38] <Skwid_> but only the gnome player works
[06:38] <Skwid_> xmms totem etc freeze when i open a file :(
[06:38] <discharge> yelp doesn't see any of the system man pages, only the gnome documentation
[06:38] <Skwid_> and no errors in the terminal ...
[06:38] <Skwid_> Matt|: hey :)
[06:38] <Matt|> interestingly, my mp3s sound terrible in xmms. Much lower quality than in rhythmbox
[06:38] <Matt|> dunno why
[06:38] <seb128> discharge: that's normal
[06:38] <Matt|> must have the wrong decoder
[06:39] <seb128> discharge: there is no support for manpage in yelp atm
[06:39] <deFrysk> Skwid_, for xmms use esound output
[06:39] <taurex> hi all, thinking of giving ubuntu a go, is it any good? Sounds user-friendly, is it?
[06:39] <deFrysk> for totem use totem-xine
[06:40] <deFrysk> taurex, it rocks
[06:40] <Skwid_> deFrysk: esound ?
[06:40] <taurex> that's what I like to hear
[06:40] <deFrysk> yes
[06:40] <discharge> hm, is there another gnome man/info page viewer?  when i was using debian the gnome-help would show a browsable list of man pages
[06:40] <Skwid_> deFrysk: can you help me ?
[06:40] <discharge> which i thought it was using yelp for that
[06:40] <deFrysk> is prefs of xmms
[06:40] <taurex> thx
[06:41] <deFrysk> Skwid_, options > prefs> outputplugin > set to eSound output
[06:41] <Skwid_> ok
[06:42] <deFrysk> shut down xmms and reopen it
[06:42] <Skwid_> how come xmms is still in gtk 1 ?
[06:42] <EfaistOs> hi again
[06:42] <deFrysk> should work fine now
[06:42] <hasan> everytime i login to gnome, terminal pop ups. But why?
[06:42] <seb128> discharge: yelp < 2.6 used to browse manpage. It has been rewritten to be much faster now but the support for manpage has not been added again
[06:42] <EfaistOs> what is the line to add in sources.list to have an access to the debian pkgs ?
[06:42] <deFrysk> Skwid_, its not a gnome app
[06:42] <Skwid_> is there a *good* gnome music player ?
[06:42] <deFrysk> Skwid_, for gtk2xmms get beep-media-player
[06:42] <Skwid_> is rythmbox any good ?
[06:42] <glar00k> Skwid_: rhythmbox, muine
[06:42] <Skwid_> ok :)
[06:43] <Skwid_> deFrysk: i don't see esound in outplugin
[06:43] <deFrysk> klik the outputplugin bar
[06:43] <deFrysk> and choose
[06:44] <Skwid_> oh, nevermind, i was on input :)
[06:44] <deFrysk> k
[06:44] <deFrysk> ;)
[06:44] <Skwid_> ok ..
[06:44] <Skwid_> it doesnt freeze anymore
[06:44] <Matt|> seb128, can you play mp3s alright in rhythmbox? If not I guess I have removed something vital
[06:44] <Matt|> *if so
[06:44] <ploggin> hi
[06:44] <Skwid_> but there is no sound :)
[06:44] <discharge> heh, that's strange they'd remove support for man/info pages
[06:44] <deFrysk> aply and ok , done
[06:44] <ploggin> can anyone tell me where to get truetype fonts?
[06:45] <discharge> and leave it as the default app for launching man: and info: urls
[06:45] <deFrysk> Skwid_, open alsamixer
[06:45] <seb128> Matt|: let me find a mp3 file
[06:45] <seb128> Matt|: I've mostly ogg files
[06:45] <Matt|> ok now this is a crazy one
[06:45] <Matt|> ok thx
[06:45] <Skwid_> deFrysk: my sound works on rythmbox though :/
[06:45] <Matt|> sorry got pinged out there
[06:45] <deFrysk> it rocks
[06:45] <deFrysk> Skwid_, then open te volume
[06:45] <Skwid_> hum nevermind
[06:46] <Skwid_> it doesnt
[06:46] <Matt|> guys is anyone else having this problem on hoary: I randomly find suddenly that /proc and /home (/dev/hda3) get unmounted... it is TOTALLY INSANE!
[06:46] <stvn> should I discuss laptop hardware problems here or in ubuntu-devel? (eg no wifi and no cpufreq, battery status)
[06:46] <Skwid_> it only works on gxine :/
[06:46] <seb128> Matt|: works fine here yes
[06:46] <Skwid_> that's weird
[06:46] <Matt|> seb128, k
[06:46] <deFrysk> Skwid_, that is wierd
[06:46] <Skwid_> gxine works perfectly
[06:46] <Skwid_> all the other ones have no sound
[06:46] <deFrysk> gxine on hoary is sweet
[06:46] <Skwid_> totem, xmms, rythmbox
[06:46] <Skwid_> i'm on hoary
[06:47] <deFrysk> Skwid_, I kave no clue why it does not work
[06:47] <seb128> Matt|: you have gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[06:47] <Matt|> seb128, getting it now
[06:47] <Matt|> i must have removed it by accident
[06:48] <nanomad> Hi everyone
[06:48] <deFrysk> hi nanomad
[06:48] <nanomad> I've a problem...
[06:48] <ploggin> can someone help me find a certain type of truetype font?
[06:48] <ploggin> i jsut have an image of what it looks like
[06:48] <ploggin> need its name
[06:48] <sladen> stvn: here
[06:49] <stvn> sladen: ok
[06:49] <theine> On my box, openoffice takes forever to start up. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
[06:49] <Cred> Hello, could someone try to help me to get /dev/video0 to work?
[06:49] <Matt|> theine, specs?
[06:49] <stvn> how do I get the battery indicator in hoary to work?
[06:49] <nanomad> enemy territory won't start: i've got a huge window (640x480)
[06:49] <deFrysk> theine, it tends to do that yes
[06:49] <theine> Matt: IBM Thinkpad R51
[06:50] <ploggin> how can i start tuxracer in windowed-mode rather than in full screen?
[06:50] <Matt|> theine, ram, processor etc?
[06:50] <Matt|> ploggin, edit ~/.tuxracer
[06:50] <stvn> nanomad: did you start it from a terminal?
[06:50] <deFrysk> ploggin, http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
[06:50] <theine> Matt: 512 MB RAM, Pentium M 1500 Mhz
[06:50] <Matt|> theine, it's Matt| btw (unfortunately
[06:50] <Matt|> theine, how long to start?
[06:51] <theine> Matt|: About 10 minutes I would say
[06:51] <deFrysk> 10 min
[06:51] <deFrysk> hmm
[06:51] <ploggin> Matt, it won't work
[06:51] <Matt|> omg
[06:51] <deFrysk> :D
[06:51] <nanomad> stvn: yes, and also from the menu
[06:51] <theine> Matt|: Certainly more than 5
[06:51] <Matt|> theine, omg
[06:51] <Skwid_> dude :'(
[06:51] <Matt|> ploggin, i can't tell you the exact place, but it is definitely in there
[06:52] <stvn> nanomad: in the terminal it useually produces sensible error messages, aka /dev/dsp in use or no hardware 3D acceleration
[06:52] <ploggin> ok
[06:52] <ploggin> thanks! ;)
[06:52] <will> does anyoneknow how to cnfigure grub to use a USB keybard?
[06:52] <Skwid_> what is the difference between totem and totem-xine ?
[06:52] <theine> deFrysk: Does my problem still sound familiar to you?
[06:52] <nanomad> how can I read them? (there is a black window that i cannot move)
[06:53] <stvn> nanomad: tried ctrl-c
[06:53] <stvn> ?
[06:53] <deFrysk> theine, I thought you talked about 30 secs or so.....
[06:53] <deFrysk> did not expect 10 min
[06:54] <nanomad> I'll try
[06:54] <theine> deFrysk: No, there's something really wrong
[06:54] <deFrysk> theine, there is indeed
[06:54] <stvn> nanomad: or just esc
[06:54] <deFrysk> rest starts up fine ?
[06:54] <theine> deFrysk: Don't have any other issues whatsoever
[06:55] <Skwid_> hum
[06:55] <Skwid_> should i use gstreamer based totem, or xine based totem ??
[06:55] <theine> I can very well live without openoffice... I just want to check out ooimpress
[06:55] <deFrysk> Skwid_, I use xine based
[06:55] <nanomad> stvn: it says : ------- sound initialization ------- and stay there forever
[06:56] <stvn> nanomad: what does esd do/say?
[06:56] <deFrysk> theine, abiword is fine for wordprocessing
[06:56] <nanomad> stvn: nothing, no errors or sound...
[06:56] <Skwid_> deFrysk: hummm
[06:57] <theine> deFrysk: I really don't need a word processor, but have you a suggestion for a powerpoint like application?
[06:57] <Skwid_> it works fine with xine base
[06:57] <Skwid_> doesn't at all with gstreamer
[06:57] <stvn> nanomad: i think you have some sound app running somewhere that stalls et
[06:57] <deFrysk> theine, hummm oo is pretty good for that unfortunately i think
[06:57] <stvn> nanomad: but esd should have complained if you have (i think)
[06:58] <stvn> nanomad: killall esd before running et works for me, but than again I do run esd
[06:58] <theine> deFrysk: I heard so too, especially because it's supposed to be possible to include movies in presentations
[06:58] <nanomad> stvn: let me try
[06:58] <theine> That's the only feature that I'm missing in Latex when it comes to presentations
[06:58] <deFrysk> theine, you could try an apt-get remove -p and reinstall it
[06:59] <EfaistOs> is the gnome-vv project available in ubuntu ?
[06:59] <theine> deFrysk: There was an update of Openoffice for Hoary today -- didn't change anything for me
[06:59] <lupus_> gaim-vv you mean?
[07:00] <Matt|> damn I have installed gstreamer-mad but rhythmbox is still crashing when I try and play mp3s. when I try and add them to the library it complains "no codec installed for mp3s"
[07:00] <deFrysk> theine, the udate starts up slightly faster here :/
[07:00] <deFrysk> udate = update
[07:00] <Treenaks> seb128: how do I build a debug version of the gstreamer 0.8 plugins? does DEB_BUILD_OPTS=debug,nostrip work?
[07:00] <theine> deFrysk: Good for you :)
[07:00] <nanomad> stvn: it worked! but...it's strange 'cause on my debian pc (with Gnome) it works...
[07:00] <_|Imanewbie|_> Offtopic: Does anyone here plays hattrick?
[07:00] <cardador> theine: install ooqstart gnome
[07:00] <stvn> nanomad: maybe on ubuntu the sound server is started by default
[07:00] <Matt|> *laughs*
[07:01] <Matt|> cardador, he still has to wait 10 minutes for ooo to start up tho
[07:01] <cardador> 10?
[07:01] <Matt|> yup
[07:01] <Skwid_> how to set up hardware acceleration ?
[07:01] <stvn> is kernel 2.6.9 going to arrive soon in hoary?
[07:01] <Matt|> yeah
[07:01] <deFrysk> Skwid_, for nvidia ?
[07:01] <Skwid_> its a intel chipset
[07:02] <cardador> Skwid_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:02] <Skwid_> ok, i'll look into it, have to go eat :)
[07:02] <jonex> How do I decrease the speed of the mouse?
[07:02] <deFrysk> cardador, thats the one :)
[07:02] <theine> cardador: What's that?
[07:02] <stvn> since it looks like my battery status problem is solved in 2.6.9
[07:02] <Treenaks> jonex: in the "mouse" configuration window
[07:02] <seb128> Treenaks: yes
[07:02] <Matt|> stvn, what laptop
[07:02] <stvn> Matt|: ASUS M6000Ne
[07:02] <Matt|> seb128, rhythmbox still broken: any ideas?
[07:03] <nanomad> What happens if I disable esd'
[07:03] <seb128> what do you call broken ?
[07:03] <Matt|> stvn, k
[07:03] <stvn> Matt|: wifi, cpufreq and battery status don't work
[07:03] <Matt|> seb128, has mp3 issues
[07:03] <Treenaks> seb128: (I'm debugging an upstream issue with rbultje :))
[07:03] <jonex> Treenaks, There is no "speed" slider. There are an acceleration slider ans a sensitivity slider.
[07:03] <seb128> Matt|: please open a bug with the version of gst, gst-plugins, rb, a problematic file, the exact error and the output of rhythmbox -d
[07:03] <seb128> Treenaks: ok, cool
[07:03] <Matt|> seb128, i'm thinking its more me being rubbish
[07:03] <theine> cardador: That won't fix it I'm afraid, I'm talking about orders of magnitude longer start up times
[07:03] <Treenaks> jonex: try the acceleration one
[07:03] <deFrysk> rbultje rocks :)
[07:03] <Matt|> seb128, but if I can't fix it I will file
[07:04] <seb128> ok
[07:04] <cardador> theine: dont have a clue :/
[07:04] <nanomad> What happens if I disable esd?
[07:05] <deFrysk> theine, might have someting to do with a full harddrive or bad ram
[07:05] <jonex> Treenaks, Hmm, ok, but how do I turn off the thing that makes the mouse change speed depending on how fast I move the mouse?
[07:05] <Treenaks> jonex: that's called acceleration :)
[07:05] <jonex> Treenaks, Yeah, how do I turn it off?
[07:06] <will> does anyoneknow how to configure grub to use a USB keyboard?
[07:06] <theine> deFrysk: But neither is the case
[07:06] <Treenaks> jonex: put the sensitivity high, and acceleration low?
[07:06] <deFrysk> theine, then I honestly have no clue
[07:06] <will> i heard on the net its something to do with the gate a20
[07:07] <jonex> Treenaks, When I put the acceleration low, the pointer barely moves. :/
[07:07] <Treenaks> jonex: you wanted it to be slower..
[07:07] <EfaistOs> bob2, is there risks to upgrade to hoary tonight ?
[07:07] <Treenaks> jonex: move it up a bit, it'll be a bit faster
[07:08] <jonex> Treenaks, Well I want it to go in a normal speed but /without/ acceleration.
[07:08] <deFrysk> time for boelevaart
[07:08] <deFrysk> bye
[07:08] <Treenaks> jonex: put only the sensitivity very high
[07:08] <Treenaks> or very low
[07:08] <Treenaks> one of those
[07:09] <Ruffian|Q|> BbBbBb Bob2
[07:09] <nanomad> Cred: what's the matter? (i've read it only now..)
[07:10] <jonex> Treenaks, hmm, although it changes the bhaviour some, none of those positions help :/
[07:11] <Treenaks> jonex: play with it a bit..
[07:11] <jonex> Treenaks, Aren't there just a switch for it somewhere, all other os:es I've used have had one :/
[07:11] <Treenaks> jonex: I don't know if there is a switch in X
[07:11] <Cred> nanomad, well I have budget WinTV card and.. All the modules that should be loaded are loaded.
[07:11] <Cred> As far as I know.
[07:12] <Cred> nanomad, but there's no /dev/video0
[07:12] <nanomad> cred: which modules?
[07:12] <jonex> Treenaks, Hmm, in KDE it was possible IIRC.
[07:13] <nanomad> cred, try installing xawtv, it should work(it did for me)
[07:14] <Cred> nanomad, budget_ci,budget_core,dvb_core,saa7146,ttpci_eeprom,8139cp,8139too
[07:14] <nanomad> cred, is it firewire?
[07:14] <Cred> nanomad, arr. Is that like really necessary? I don't like it :) I do have tvtime and Zapping.
[07:14] <Cred> crimsun, nope.
[07:14] <Cred> On PCI
[07:14] <nanomad> ok
[07:15] <Cred> nanomad, nope ;)
[07:15] <jonex> Where do i change the language to English?
[07:15] <Cred> Damn tab ;)
[07:15] <nanomad> cred, is it a TV card?
[07:15] <Cred> Yes
[07:15] <melmoth> Hi there.
[07:15] <nanomad> cred, look if you have bttv modules loaded
[07:15] <Cred> Technotrend (oslt) with 8139 chip.
[07:15] <nanomad> Hi melmoth
[07:16] <nanomad> cred, 8139too is a realtek net-card (same as 8139cp)
[07:16] <Cred> nanomad, doesn't seem to be loaded atm. Manually loading them didn't make a difference.
[07:16] <jonex> Is there any other channel you can get help in?
[07:16] <Cred> Ah
[07:16] <Cred> Indeed ;)
[07:16] <Cred> I meant saa7156
[07:16] <Cred> *doh*
[07:16] <Cred> 7146
[07:17] <Cred> nanomad, but those bttvs are not loaded.
[07:17] <nanomad> cred, let me look at kernel drivers for a while...
[07:17] <MFen> has anyone tried ubuntu with colinux?
[07:18] <Cred> nanomad, ok. Thanks.
[07:19] <melmoth> the ubuntu site sais one of the distrib goal is to let people use the os in their local language. I suppose this means there is french support by default ?
[07:19] <nanomad> cred, try this:
[07:20] <nanomad> no...it's not a bt card....
[07:20] <Matt|> melmoth, there is french support yes
[07:20] <nanomad> cred, can you resay the tuner model please?
[07:20] <melmoth> cool thanks.
[07:20] <Matt|> melmoth, check out #ubuntu-fr
[07:21] <melmoth> it s not for me, tis for my dad :)
[07:21] <Cred> nanomad, Technotrend Nova-T WinTV budget
[07:22] <Matt|> seb128, resolved. I had gstreamer not gstreamer0.8
[07:22] <nanomad> the model of the tvtuner (example bt848)
[07:22] <seb128> Matt|: how did you that ? rhythmbox depends on gstreamer0.8
[07:23] <Matt|> seb128, i mean gstreamer0.8-plugins
[07:23] <Matt|> sorry
[07:23] <seb128> oh ok
[07:23] <seb128> np
[07:23] <nanomad> crad, isnt it saa7146?
[07:24] <Cred> nanomad, yes.
[07:24] <Cred> nanomad, that's the chip yes.
[07:24] <nanomad> ok
[07:25] <nanomad> it's a dvb card?
[07:25] <Ruffian|Q|> dvb?
[07:26] <Cred> nanomad, yes.
[07:26] <nanomad> ok
[07:26] <Cred> Digital Video Broadcasting, I guess :)
[07:29] <nanomad> yes
[07:30] <nanomad> what does say this? cat /var/log/messages | grep saa
[07:31] <nanomad> ok
[07:31] <nanomad> are U here ?
[07:31] <Cred> Yes, a second please.
[07:31] <nanomad> Cred? I've the solution...
[07:32] <Cred> Nov  4 20:08:27 localhost kernel: saa7130/34: v4l2 driver version 0.2.12 loaded
[07:32] <Cred> Nov  6 21:47:46 localhost kernel: saa7130/34: v4l2 driver version 0.2.12 loaded
[07:32] <nanomad> try this modprobe saa7142
[07:32] <nanomad> and then modprobe saa7142_vv
[07:32] <nanomad> as root
[07:33] <nanomad> oops
[07:33] <nanomad> it's 7146 and 7146_vv
[07:34] <pd> is there anyone with install it on a Mac G5 Experience?
[07:34] <jind> Can I adjust colors with a program?
[07:35] <Cred> nanomad, 7146_vv not found
[07:35] <Cred> Ah, saa7146_vv
[07:35] <Cred> nanomad, and then? :)
[07:35] <nanomad> yes...
[07:35] <nanomad> look at /dev
[07:35] <nanomad> and search for video0
[07:36] <yurik> hi! who can tell me where is grub configuration file located?
[07:36] <Cred> nanomad, noi video0
[07:36] <nanomad> yurik: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:36] <nanomad> ok...
[07:36] <gwak> Cred: try dmesg
[07:36] <nanomad> as I supposed...
[07:37] <nanomad> try installing xawtv, it did the trick for me...
[07:37] <Cred> gwak, yes well. It does tell me it found plenty of dvb devices :)
[07:37] <yurik> nanomad: thanks:)
[07:37] <nanomad> gwak: kernel have loaded the driver, no link in dev
[07:37] <biagio> Hi
[07:37] <Cred> gwak, saa7146: found saa7146 @ mem e0b65000 (revision 1, irq 201) (0x13c2,0x1011).
[07:37] <gwak> Cred: hmm -- sorry thats all i can offer with dvb
[07:37] <biagio> I need some help
[07:37] <Cred> gwak, ok.
[07:38] <Cred> nanomad, ok. Trying.
[07:38] <nanomad> Cred: after the setup and a reboot, you should have your /dev/video0 (I dont know why...but it worked)
[07:39] <Cred> nanomad, I did have some script before that called MAKEDEV and did something. After that I was able to use it but.. Lost the script.
[07:39] <nanomad> Cred: I think that the setup of xawtv do the same as the script.
[07:40] <Cred> Yea, probably.
[07:40] <nanomad> gotta go
[07:41] <biagio> I have a thinkpad 600x and during the installation of ubuntu it seems that the partition hda2 (linux) and hda3 (swap) aren't recognise as well. I mean the formating procedure doesn't work and looking into /dev/ide directories there aren't any part2 and part3 node points
[07:41] <Limix\away> Hello
[07:41] <biagio> someone have any ideas?
[07:41] <Limix\away> i installed gstreamer0.8-mad.deb
[07:41] <Limix\away> and i still cant get mp3's to work
[07:41] <Cred> Uhm. Damn. Xawtv tells there's no devices.
[07:41] <Limix\away> how come?
[07:42] <Matt|> Limix\away, you installed it from the ubuntu repository or you downloaded it?
[07:42] <Limix\away> i downloaded it
[07:42] <gwak> biagio: you have a dual boot configuration i imagine?
[07:42] <Limix\away> and installed it from a disk
[07:42] <Limix\away> because my laptop does not have the internet
[07:42] <Matt|> Limix\away, oh i c
[07:42] <Matt|> Limix\away, you downloaded the ubuntu version?
[07:43] <biagio> Yes hda1 with XP hda2 with ubuntu (It will I hope.....) and hda3 swap
[07:43] <gwak> biagio: what program did you create the partitions with ?
[07:44] <Limix\away> http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~sdier/debian/updates/wup/ I got it from this site
[07:44] <lev> hey
[07:44] <lev> Can someone help me.
[07:44] <Matt|> lev, shoot
[07:45] <Limix\away> i need to play mp3s
[07:45] <lev> I have been trying to figure out how to install stuff but i cant seem to do anything.
[07:45] <Matt|> Limix\away, remove it and download the ubuntu version?
[07:45] <Treenaks> Limix\away: read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:45] <Matt|> Limix\away, we'll give you the url
[07:45] <Limix\away> can you give me the link for the ubuntu version please?
[07:45] <lev> Whenever i do what the websites say to do, it always says that the folder does not exist.
[07:46] <Treenaks> lev: what's the exact message?
[07:46] <lev> one sec..
[07:46] <Matt|> Limix\away, are you running warty or hoary?
[07:46] <Limix\away> warty i think
[07:46] <lev> before we get to that, this is more impokrtant.. i tried to get the universe and this came up... Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com warty/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_warty_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:47] <Matt|> lev, an error in your sources file i guess
[07:47] <lev> what do i do?
[07:47] <biagio> I tried both with the installer program and with partiion manager from XP. The strange thing is that partedman recognise the layout of the partition table and it pemit to do any modification but after when the installation program try to format the partition it doesn't work because don't exist the correct node point into /dev directory
[07:47] <jiyuu0> lev, what u trying to install?
[07:47] <lev> i am just trying to get the universe.
[07:48] <lev> people on ubuntu forums said that many of the programs i need are in universe.
[07:48] <Kamion> lev: you need to run apt-get update
[07:48] <Matt|> ah good one yeah
[07:48] <lev> can you tell me exactly what to do please?
[07:48] <lev> i am a complete begineer. :(
[07:48] <Matt|> lev, open synaptic
[07:48] <Sensebend> lol
[07:48] <Matt|> LOL
[07:48] <snaga> How do I set the umask of an external usb drive that is automounting?
[07:49] <lev> oppss. i accidently x'ed out the box
[07:49] <gwak> biagio: have you tried deleting both linux partitions from Ubuntu and the rebooting and creating the partitions again?
[07:49] <jiyuu0> lev, http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#extrarepositories
[07:49] <lev> okay thank you :)
[07:50] <RuffianSoldier> http://img13.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img13&image=OSXLikeXP.jpg
[07:50] <Matt|> Limix\away, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/
[07:50] <biagio> of course. I tried also to create the partition from XP using partition magic
[07:50] <Kamion> lev: either 'sudo apt-get update' in a terminal, or press the reload button in synaptic
[07:51] <Limix\away> thank you
[07:51] <CatDog> Hi, when installing ubuntu and winxp for dual-booting, is it advisable to install winxp first, then ubuntu second? (yeah, i know... but I need winxp for CS :-p)
[07:51] <Kamion> CatDog: yeah
[07:51] <lev> thank you very much
[07:51] <Sensebend> CS will run in wine :)
[07:51] <Limix\away> matt
[07:51] <CatDog> Oh, I mean if doing a completly fresh install of both...
[07:51] <Limix\away> what do i do at that URL
[07:51] <snaga> CatDog, if you install xp second, it will wipe the boot sector
[07:51] <Matt|> Limix\away, find the right package and download it
[07:51] <Limix\away> which file
[07:51] <Limix\away> for mp3s
[07:51] <lev> are there any p2p programs on SPM?
[07:51] <Matt|> Limix\away, you choose the one for your architecture
[07:52] <biagio> gwak: I think that the problem is HW. The ide module don't recognise correctly my harddisck
[07:52] <Limix\away> k
[07:52] <Limix\away> how do i check my architecture i forget
[07:52] <Limix\away> sorry lol
[07:52] <Matt|> Limix\away, what computer do you have?
[07:52] <Limix\away> im in the terminal
[07:52] <Limix\away> i have a sony vaio laptop
[07:52] <gwak> biago: yikes -- is a SATA drive or something?
[07:52] <Kamion> CatDog: if you install Ubuntu second it'll detect XP and include a bootloader entry for it
[07:53] <Matt|> Limix\away, unless you have an amd64 chip, you need the 386 packages
[07:53] <biagio> gwak I continue to don't understand because parted work well  without to have the node point into /dev/ide
[07:53] <Limix\away> so install all the ones with i386 in the filename?
[07:53] <CatDog> Thanks all.
[07:53] <Matt|> Limix\away, no not all
[07:53] <Limix\away> oh lol
[07:53] <Matt|> Limix\away, just the latest version probably
[07:53] <Matt|> not sure
[07:53] <lev> Are there any p2p programs in SPM??
[07:53] <biagio> gwak to you know how to create them
[07:53] <jiyuu0> amule
[07:54] <Limix\away> gstreamer0.8-mad_0.8.6-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[07:54] <ubuntuinstaller> Hi everyone
[07:54] <ubuntuinstaller> I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old laptop
[07:54] <gwak> biagio: at boot time no -- im not sure
[07:54] <gwak> gwak: lemme check google
[07:54] <ubuntuinstaller> and I keep getting this error "No root file system"
[07:54] <ubuntuinstaller> any ideas?
[07:55] <Melk> hi guys i had two problem
[07:55] <pepsi_> hi
[07:55] <biagio> I mean after the boot using mknode
[07:55] <ubuntuinstaller> It says "No root file system is defined.  Please correct this from the partitioning menu."
[07:55] <ubuntuinstaller> but I can't do anything from the partitioning menu
[07:55] <Melk> 1st ndiswrapper works fine but i need to ifdown wlan0 and then ifup wlan0 after ubuntu booted
[07:55] <gwak> biagio: you can pass the root drive to the kernel when you boot
[07:55] <lev> Hey, are there any p2p programs in SPM?
[07:56] <Limix\away> is it get-app install filename
[07:56] <lev> nevermind i found one.
[07:56] <Limix\away> i forget
[07:56] <Limix\away> hehe
[07:56] <gwak> biagio: do you get the grub menu when you reboot?
[07:56] <ubuntuinstaller> It seems like it's not detecting my hard drive
[07:56] <biagio> mmm it true I will try thanks a lot
[07:56] <Melk> the second one is that i cannot know ho to use the usb key under xfce, pmount could mount usb key also outside gnome right?
[07:56] <ubuntuinstaller> ?
[07:57] <biagio> the syntax is linux root=/dev/hda
[07:57] <Limix\away> whats the command to install
[07:58] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, there is a place in the partition setup to set the mountpoint, but I'm forgetting the name.
[07:58] <ubuntuinstaller> no one knows?
[07:58] <Limix\away> i thought it was get-app install
[07:58] <gwak> biagio: i knew it was something easy ;-] 
[07:58] <eruin> anyone got access to internet explorer and/or opera here?
[07:58] <Limix\away> apt-get nm
[07:58] <gwak> yea
[07:58] <gwak> eruin: yea
[07:58] <Matt|> Limix\away, dpkg -i packagename
[07:58] <biagio> gwak I have to left thanks lot bye
[07:58] <Matt|> eruin, you writing one of those usefirefox scripts?
[07:58] <lev> How do i put gnutella in my applications tab?
[07:58] <lev> i already got it from universe.
[07:59] <Matt|> lev, right click inside the menu you want to add it to, select, whole menu, then add new item
[07:59] <lev> Huh?
[07:59] <lev> where do i right clikc?
[07:59] <eruin> Matt|: well, the script I'm working is configured to die if someone uses IE with it ;P
[08:00] <eruin> gwak: could you check out http://appelsinjuice.org/ and send me a screenshot? :)
[08:00] <eruin> I have the feeling that trashy browser chokes and dies horribly on my site ;)
[08:00] <Matt|> eruin, what does it do?
[08:00] <lev> okay i got it, thanks!
[08:00] <Matt|> oh i c
[08:00] <eruin> Matt|: it's a newsposting thing in php
[08:00] <ubuntuinstaller> snaga, I'll look again here
[08:01] <eruin> Matt|: which usefirefox scripts were you referring to btw?
[08:01] <Limix\away> Matt| it's still not working
[08:01] <Matt|> Limix\away, what happens?
[08:01] <Limix\away> asks for another file
[08:01] <Limix\away> im looking for it
[08:01] <Matt|> eruin, you know, where it says "you appear to be using a shit browser - change to firefox"
[08:01] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, I remember that I missed it the first time too, had to go back and look for it.
[08:02] <Matt|> Limix\away, yeah ok you have to get all the dependencies
[08:02] <thomas_> evening
[08:02] <ubuntuinstaller> snaga, missed it?
[08:02] <gwak> eruin: urg they moved the sceenshoot button in ubuntu ;-] 
[08:02] <ubuntuinstaller> I'm pretty stuck on this partitioning menu
[08:02] <Melk_> why, with ndiswrapper i must to ifdown wlan0  ifup wlan0 after ubuntu booted?
[08:02] <ubuntuinstaller> so I can't miss anything right?
[08:02] <thomas_> any european in here, who ordered buntu cds?
[08:02] <gwak> eruin: moment tho the XHTML needs some work with ie: hope your not counting on the postion tags ;-] 
[08:02] <ubuntuinstaller> or is it a boot option?
[08:02] <eruin> Matt|: ah yeah. I've got that all over the place
[08:03] <Treenaks> thomas_: yes, The Netherlands
[08:03] <Treenaks> thomas_: I have them
[08:03] <Limix\away> shit
[08:03] <Limix\away> the packages file i think i need doesnt fit on a disk :(
[08:03] <eruin> Matt|: tired of people on trash browsers complaining when my fully-standards-compliant code doesnt render
[08:03] <ubuntuinstaller> so Snaga, I'm at a stage "[!!]  Parition disks"
[08:03] <thomas_> Treenaks, when did you order them?
[08:03] <Treenaks> Limix\away: you only need the .deb
[08:03] <Matt|> eruin, *nods*
[08:03] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, I got the same error, trying to remember what I changed to get through it
[08:03] <Treenaks> thomas_: very early on
[08:03] <Matt|> Limix\away, lemme know what it asks for and i'll give you the link
[08:03] <ubuntuinstaller> and under partitioning method the only option is "Manually edit partition table"
[08:04] <lev> does anyone know where i can get a different skin for gtk-gnutella?
[08:04] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, is this a dual boot?
[08:04] <ubuntuinstaller> nope
[08:04] <lev> the default one is hideous
[08:04] <Limix\away> it says i need to run an apt-get update
[08:04] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, is / the only partition?
[08:04] <ubuntuinstaller> snaga, I have the partitions already set up from when I tried to install knoppix
[08:04] <Matt|> Limix\away, ok you need an internet connection for that
[08:04] <Limix\away> k
[08:04] <ubuntuinstaller> there's a / partition and a swap
[08:04] <Limix\away> ican get dial up on it i guess
[08:04] <Limix\away> lol
[08:04] <ubuntuinstaller> it's reiser
[08:04] <Limix\away> i have a password
[08:04] <ubuntuinstaller> is that bad?
[08:04] <Matt|> Limix\away, you'll be several days
[08:05] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, have you gone into the manual partition option?
[08:05] <Limix\away> how do Iset up a dial up connection
[08:05] <ubuntuinstaller> yes
[08:05] <ubuntuinstaller> and now I have 4 choices
[08:05] <Matt|> Limix\away, if you've never updated warty, most of the packages will need to be downloaded again
[08:05] <ubuntuinstaller> configure raid
[08:05] <Limix\away> ok
[08:05] <ubuntuinstaller> configure local volume manage
[08:05] <Matt|> Limix\away, on dial-up, that will take a seriously long time
[08:05] <ubuntuinstaller> guided partitioning
[08:05] <Limix\away> yea
[08:05] <ubuntuinstaller> and help
[08:05] <Limix\away> :(
[08:05] <Limix\away> i just wanna listen to mp3s
[08:06] <Matt|> Limix\away - remove the package you just installed, and install the OLDEST one from that link i gave you? might work
[08:06] <Matt|> Limix\away, you'll still need it's dependencies
[08:06] <Limix\away> k
[08:06] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, it might be in guided
[08:06] <Limix\away> how do i remove it
[08:06] <ubuntuinstaller> guided doesn't work
[08:06] <snaga> hmmm
[08:06] <ubuntuinstaller> I click guided
[08:06] <Limix\away> got it
[08:06] <ubuntuinstaller> and it gives me 1 option "manually edit partition table"
[08:06] <Matt|> Limix\away, dpkg -r packagename to uninstall
[08:07] <ubuntuinstaller> It got a similar problem intermittently when installing knoppix
[08:07] <Matt|> Limix\away, say me name when talking to me, that way I see your message easily
[08:07] <Matt|> *my
[08:07] <ubuntuinstaller> it would say hard drive not detected
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[08:07] <ubuntuinstaller> Do hard drives get flaky when they're old?
[08:07] <eruin> ah, great. opera, firefox, mozilla, konqueror, safari, ie5 on mac all render my site correctly
[08:08] <eruin> only ie6 fails horribly
[08:08] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, oh yeah
[08:08] <ubuntuinstaller> hmmm
[08:08] <ubuntuinstaller> so it would sometimes work and sometimes not work?
[08:08] <snaga> had one die on me just a couple of weeks ago
[08:08] <Limix\away> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/gst-plugins0.8/
[08:08] <Treenaks> ubuntuinstaller: something like that
[08:08] <Limix\away> which is the oldest one man
[08:08] <ubuntuinstaller> Is that a symptom of a dying hard drive?
[08:08] <ubuntuinstaller> and it makes these weird sounds on start-up
[08:08] <ubuntuinstaller> like the sirens from "minority report"
[08:09] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, mine died altogother, lost the partition table
[08:09] <lev> How come my downloads on gnutella are so slow?
[08:09] <gwak> eurin:http://gulrajani.org/appelsinjuice.png
[08:09] <lev> they are going @ 5-9 kb/s
[08:09] <lev> i have a Broadband connection..
[08:09] <ubuntuinstaller> So Snaga, my solution then is to replace the hard drive?
[08:09] <ubuntuinstaller> Or should I continue fooling with linux distros until 1 works?
[08:10] <ubuntuinstaller> It's weird, SuSE installed fine 3 days ago
[08:10] <ubuntuinstaller> but this time when I tried SuSE it keeps hanging
[08:10] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, I would keep trying for awhile, at least.
[08:10] <Matt|> Limix\away, the one with the smallest version number. Please say my nick if you are talking to me, otherwise I won't see your message
[08:10] <ubuntuinstaller> So what do you reccomend trying, snaga?
[08:10] <bwlang> lev: that's just how it it sometimes with a peer to peer network...
[08:11] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, I'm checking something now, give me a sec...
[08:11] <ubuntuinstaller> ok thanks
[08:11] <davyd> someone talk to me about printers
[08:11] <davyd> specifically, Epson printers
[08:11] <davyd> which are something I've never set up before
[08:11] <davyd> also, scanning
[08:11] <ubuntuinstaller> as long as I'm here, can anyone reccomend a cheap 802.11g card for a laptop running ubuntu?
[08:12] <ubuntuinstaller> I want one that just works (tm)
[08:12] <bwlang> davyd: they put ink on paper... nothing special to figure out - cups just works... scanning is handled by sane
[08:12] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, did you use the 'manually erase entire disk' option?
[08:12] <davyd> bwlang: I know all of that
[08:12] <ubuntuinstaller> no, how do I get to that?
[08:12] <Rene_S> I got a question, in Ubuntu which filesystem is better to use Reiser or Ext3 ?
[08:12] <davyd> why would cups be detecting my usb printer on a parallel port
[08:12] <davyd> it also has three parallel port #1s
[08:12] <Cred> Could someone else here try to help me to get dvb card to work?
[08:12] <davyd> this feels like whacky kernel level emulation of something...
[08:13] <knoppix> hi
[08:13] <knoppix> hi got a problem
[08:13] <knoppix> I dist upgraded
[08:13] <ubuntuinstaller> snaga, I can't find that option
[08:13] <knoppix> and it seems it updated the kernel 2.6.8
[08:13] <davyd> knoppix: your initrd is missing
[08:13] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, when I choose guided partitioning I get that as one of the choices
[08:13] <knoppix> however I use lilo, and lilo won't boot it
[08:13] <ubuntuinstaller> no snaga, I don't get that option
[08:14] <snaga> you are using warty?
[08:14] <knoppix> davyd, lilo says that kernel overlaps lilo stage 2 stack ot something like that
[08:14] <bwlang> davyd: did you expect me to just intuit that?... i doubt cups is detecting your usb printer on an lpt port... when you add the printer using the http://localhost:631/ it should show you a list of ports to choose - just use the usb port and specify the model of the printer
[08:14] <davyd> bwlang: how to I reenable that interface?
[08:15] <davyd> Ubuntu appears to have disabled it
[08:15] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, I wonder if I get it because I started the install on a drive formatted with ntfs. not sure
[08:15] <bwlang> davyd: what interface are you talking about? the usb interface?  the web interface? the lpt interface ?
[08:15] <davyd> bwlang: the web interface
[08:15] <pepsi_> i just upgraded to hoary, and now i can get preferences on the battery status monitor applet
[08:15] <davyd> it's nicely telling me it's disabled
[08:15] <pepsi_> *cant
[08:15] <ubuntuinstaller> maybe I should run knoppix and wipe the drive?
[08:16] <snaga> ubuntuinstaller, that seems like a good idea. you might want to use the drive a bit under knoppix and see if it acts flakey
[08:16] <bwlang> davyd: you'll have to edit some config files  - have a look at www.cups.org to learn how to configure cups
[08:17] <ubuntuinstaller> Yeah
[08:17] <mirak> I need help
[08:17] <mirak> pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:17] <bwlang> mirak: just ask...
[08:17] <mirak> why they hell does dist upgrade upgrade  the kernel ?
[08:17] <mirak> that's too sensitive to be automatically upgraded
[08:17] <mirak> bwlang, I am knoppix
[08:18] <ubuntuinstaller> Ok, Snaga, thanks for the help
[08:18] <ubuntuinstaller> I'll try knoppix
[08:18] <snaga> I need to mount an external usb vfat drive as umask 755, but it is automounting as 744. How do I change that?
[08:18] <davyd> mirak: like I said, you'll probably find your initrd is missing
[08:18] <davyd> and lilo borked on your upgrade
[08:19] <bwlang> mirak: maybe a bug fix to a kernel that you have   - or your old kernel does not exist in the new revision
[08:19] <Kamion> mirak: it's not upgraded from one upstream kernel version to the next, only within Debian/Ubuntu revisions
[08:20] <bwlang> snaga: it's a setting in /etc/fstab  man will tell you exactly what
[08:22] <snaga> bwlang, does fstab govern the automount stuff? sda1 isn't in there at all right now.
[08:22] <mirak> so how do I fix that ?
[08:22] <bwlang> snaga: hmm - on my system it is in there...  and i have hotplug do the mount for me.
[08:23] <mirak> because this kernel introduced a bug with lilo
[08:23] <mirak> I have a grub loader CD but I don't know how to boot on my ubuntu install with it
[08:23] <CatDog> I've got a D-link DWL-G122 usb wireless net adaptor. To get it going under linux/ubuntu a bit of googling suggests I'm going to have to go in the direction of either DRIVERLOADER or NDISWRAPPER... has anyone had any experience of getting wireless adaptors working (that don't have specific linux drivers)?
[08:24] <snaga> bwlan, I'll mess with the fstab to see what happens. I hadn't because it wasn't there in the first place, but mounts anyway
[08:24] <snaga> thanks
[08:26] <mirak> Kamion, by the way it removed the kernel
[08:26] <Kamion> mirak: make sure /initrd.img is a symlink to /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3
[08:26] <Kamion> mirak: it so didn't
[08:26] <Kamion> mirak: only symlinks
[08:26] <mirak> it didn't even let a .old kernel entry
[08:26] <Kamion> mirak: .old is only used for different upstream versions.
[08:26] <Kamion> mirak: this is not an Ubuntu decision BTW, Debian's just the same
[08:27] <mirak> ok, so it's probably a problem on debian then
[08:27] <Treenaks> I've heard more problems with initrds today
[08:27] <Treenaks> maybe linked to non-existing /dev/fd0
[08:27] <Kamion> mirak: yes, the bug came into Ubuntu due to a sync from Debian unstable, as did the subsequent fix
[08:28] <Kamion> mirak: unfortunately the bug was already hardwired into the pre-removal scripts of kernels we'd already built, so it acted as a timebomb
[08:28] <Kamion> mirak: we'll be looking at working around it for subsequent kernel versions
[08:29] <mirak> could anyone send me the good kernel ?
[08:29] <mirak> I mean only the binary
[08:29] <Kamion> you've already got it; it's in /boot
[08:29] <mirak> or help me to boot with grub
[08:29] <davyd> bingo, now it works
[08:29] <mirak> Kamion, not the old one
[08:29] <davyd> for the record, the solution was to restart udev
[08:29] <Kamion> mirak: then see archive.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <Kamion> you should never run a kernel from somebody you don't trust
[08:30] <maximuspain> hi
[08:31] <mirak> Kamion, I trust you
[08:31] <maximuspain> i was thinking of installing ubuntu but am not sure wether to gowith it or gentoo or vidalinux
[08:31] <tolle> Has anyone found any working packages of multisync and its plugins?
[08:31] <Kamion> I could be anyone; IRC isn't authenticated
[08:31] <mirak> Kamion, so what can I do ?
[08:31] <Kamion> archive.ubuntu.com
[08:32] <mirak> but how can I install the kernel ?
[08:32] <Kamion> dpkg -i
[08:32] <mirak> in chroot ?
[08:32] <Kamion> mirak: this is hoary; you are expected to be able to deal with breakage, I'm sorry
[08:33] <Kamion> we said this very clearly on all announcements
[08:33] <Kamion> a chroot should do fine
[08:33] <iz> can someone take a look at pastebin.com for the error?
[08:33] <mirak> Kamion, that what support channels are made for
[08:34] <mirak> I guess
[08:34] <Ixan> somebody experienced problems with fonts in hoary? anti-aliasing looks horrible on my computer...
[08:34] <mirak> I can fix that with some hints
[08:35] <Erix> hi
[08:35] <pepsi_> if i close my laptop's lid, the screen blanks and i have to restart to fix it
[08:36] <pridkett> I've got an interesting sount problem under warty.  Basically, I'm going through homestar runner deprivation because I get no sound in flash under firefox.  Furthermore, I get none of blips and whirrs that my other desktop gets.  When I try to start esd, it complains that it can find /dev/dsp.  any hints here?
[08:37] <pridkett> sound works fine for everything else, rhythmbox, mplayer, etc
[08:41] <pd> anyone install Ubuntu on a PPC?
[08:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> How can  I do to make fortunes be displayed eachtime I open a terminal?
[08:42] <davyd> _|Imanewbie|_: if you have fortune installed
[08:42] <davyd> edit your .bashrc file in your home directory
[08:42] <davyd> and put fortune at the end
[08:42] <davyd> the .bashrc file is run every time you start bash
[08:43] <Unfun> I have a question regarding X11 and xhost with ubuntu
[08:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> davyd: wich is the path for this file?
[08:43] <mirak> Kamion, can I put the archives as a source ?
[08:43] <Unfun> for some reason i can't get any remote xwindows to display even after i run xhost + and setting my DISPLAY variable appropriately on the remote host.
[08:43] <mirak> for apt
[08:44] <Kamion> mirak: should already be there, even if commented ou
[08:44] <Kamion> out
[08:45] <mirak> Kamion, mmm I am not sure to understand. Where is the main ubuntu repository ?
[08:46] <Kamion> it's already in your sources.list
[08:46] <Kamion> it may be commented out
[08:46] <mirak> it's that one http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[08:46] <mirak> ?
[08:46] <Kamion> it's also well-documented on the web site
[08:46] <Kamion> yes
[08:46] <mirak> why aren't the archived package accessible as different versions then ?
[08:47] <Kamion> it's a development branch; if you need an older version for some reason you report a bug
[08:47] <mirak> I mean the old package was probably overwritten
[08:47] <_|Imanewbie|_> davyd: Ive managed it thanks
[08:47] <Kamion> you could take the kernel from warty
[08:47] <Unfun> do you have to use xauth now or does xhost still work?
[08:47] <mirak> Kamion, ok
[08:48] <imka> am i missing anything in realplayer? i'm not able to listen to a radio station's .ram
[08:49] <pepsi_> if i close my lid, switch consoles, or try to use full-screen mode in vmware, my screen blanks and i have to restart to fix it
[08:49] <pepsi_> any ideas?
[08:51] <davyd> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8, product=0x080e) at libusb:002:006
[08:51] <imka> i have no sound in realplayer. it says that it's playing but no sound. is there any additional channel i should unmute???
[08:51] <davyd> [davyd@persephone sane.d] $ sudo scanimage -L
[08:51] <davyd> No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different,
[08:52] <mdz> mirak: the config file for grub is /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:52] <mdz> mirak: automatically generated by update-grub
[08:53] <mirak> ok
[08:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> Dudes  Igot a doubt time to time linux creates a folder on my fat-c partition called recycled It seems just a bunch of crappy files and I can just remove them in linux not in windows anyone knows what a damm is it?
[08:54] <Kamion> _|Imanewbie|_: that isn't anything to do with Linux. It sounds like the Windows Recycle Bin.
[08:54] <mirak> mdz, so this means I can't boot a windows system without any linux install on the harddrive ?
[08:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Kamion: has everything to do with linux the first folder inside recycled is called .trashMyUser
[08:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> my linus user
[08:55] <Kamion> _|Imanewbie|_: well, try emptying the recycle bin in Windows?
[08:55] <imka> what device does realplayer use?
[08:55] <mdz> mirak: why would you want to use grub on a system which has only windows?
[08:55] <Kamion> I've never heard of anything that would do that, but maybe it's samba or something
[08:55] <davyd> _|Imanewbie|_: the .trash folder is linux storing it's recycled trash
[08:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Kamion: the folder is generated while I'm in LINUX has nothing to do with windows
[08:55] <mdz> mirak: but yes, you can if you really want to
[08:55] <mirak> mdz, because this stupid windows doesn't want to write it's own mbr
[08:56] <davyd> _|Imanewbie|_: the Recycled folder is always there, it's just hidden in Windows
[08:56] <_|Imanewbie|_> davyd: and why it is beeing pointed to my fat-c partition?
[08:56] <davyd> _|Imanewbie|_: it puts one on all volumes
[08:56] <Kamion> _|Imanewbie|_: uh-huh. Still, try emptying the recycle bin in Windows and I think you'll find you'll be able to remove them anyway. Sounds harmless.
[08:56] <imka> any1 here using realplayer? i really wanna listen to that football-match
[08:56] <mirak> mdz, after partitioning with fdisk, it says that the mbr is either different or corrupted
[08:56] <davyd> so you can do trash recovery on all volumes
[08:56] <mirak> Kamion, windows=crap
[08:56] <davyd> mirak: windows fdisk, or linux fdisk ?
[08:57] <_|Imanewbie|_> davyd: Ohhh oki thanks by explanation =)
[08:57] <Kamion> mirak: no advocacy here, please.
[08:57] <mirak> recovering a windows system almost need a full windows install from another drive
[08:57] <mirak> davyd, linux fdisk
[08:57] <davyd> hmm, interesting
[08:57] <mirak> davyd, fdisk doesn't exist on XP
[08:57] <davyd> mirak: sure it does
[08:57] <mirak> davyd, I am not sure of that
[08:58] <mirak> I get an error when running grub-install
[08:58] <mirak> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[08:58] <mirak> /sbin/grub-install: line 389: /dev/null: Permission denied
[08:58] <mirak> /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[08:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> well I gtg study cya folks
[08:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> I'm out \o>
[08:58] <Kamion> mirak: ls -l /dev/null
[08:58] <mirak> crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 1, 3 Dec  5  2004 /dev/null
[08:59] <ztonzy> hmm, doesnt 'vi' exist in ubuntu ?  (for terminal textfile editing)
[08:59] <mirak> I am chrooted in ubuntu install
[08:59] <discharge> ztonzy, yes
[08:59] <Kamion> mirak: is the chrooted filesystem mounted read-write? (not that I think that should make a difference, but ...)
[08:59] <Kamion> ztonzy: yes, vim's part of the base system
[08:59] <davyd> mirak: make sure you have proc mounted
[08:59] <ztonzy> discharge, it seems to have been removed somehow
[08:59] <davyd> that's the thing I always forget inside my chroot
[09:00] <mirak> davyd, oh. I must mount the proc of the chrooted system ?
[09:00] <mirak> ok
[09:00] <davyd> mirak: else you can't get to it, can you ?
[09:00] <UrkeMMI> I build custom mplayer 1.0pre5 .deb package for ubuntu and now I need to add it to local cache. How to do this?
[09:00] <mirak> davyd, what ?
[09:00] <thomas_> mako_, du you know, when cds to germany will be shipped?
[09:00] <davyd> mirak: well inside the chroot, you can't access the /proc filesystem because it's outside your chroot
[09:00] <davyd> so you need to mount another one
[09:00] <mirak> /dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[09:01] <mirak> it reduced the errors but I still have this one
[09:01] <davyd> mirak: hmm, pass
[09:01] <davyd> I don't much like grab
[09:01] <davyd> *grub
[09:01] <davyd> also I need to sleep
[09:01] <davyd> because it's 4am
[09:01] <mirak> lol
[09:01] <mirak> when do you wake up ?
[09:01] <ztonzy> Kamion, "vim" ?  but typing 'vi' outside X doesnt work :-\
[09:01] <mako_> jordi: sorry sorry
[09:02] <davyd> it's probably going to end up lunchtime
[09:02] <davyd> let's just hope work don't notice I haven't logged in till afternoon
[09:02] <mirak> you work from home ?
[09:02] <davyd> often
[09:02] <mirak> lol
[09:02] <mirak> intersting
[09:02] <davyd> work has craptastic office space
[09:03] <mirak> what is it ?
[09:03] <davyd> so we're commonly at home or on site
[09:03] <davyd> since I don't commonly go onsite
[09:03] <davyd> I get to work here
[09:03] <davyd> we're meant to be getting a new office
[09:03] <davyd> who knows what will happen then
[09:03] <Kamion> ztonzy: dunno what to say, it's there as standard
[09:03] <Kamion> ztonzy: try 'vim' explicitly
[09:04] <davyd> anyway... sleep
[09:04] <ztonzy> Kamion, not that either
[09:04] <discharge> what about /usr/bin/vim
[09:04] <Kamion> ztonzy: sudo apt-get install vim
[09:04] <discharge> if not, reinstall the vim package with synaptic or at-get
[09:04] <ztonzy> Kamion, it is installed, odd
[09:04] <discharge> apt-get
[09:04] <euxneks> which vim
[09:04] <euxneks> type "which vim"
[09:04] <Kamion> ztonzy: check $PATH then
[09:05] <mirak> Kamion, I have still a problem with writting on hda
[09:05] <mirak> I mounted /proc
[09:06] <NanoTek> re
[09:06] <werewolf> Hi all, what is for warty-updates?
[09:09] <euxneks> when you install ubuntu, does it automatically recognize the other systems installed?
[09:09] <bancus> Okay, the warty installer just totally tanked on me.
[09:09] <bancus> And it waited until after I'd already formatted my gentoo partitions to do so.
[09:09] <euxneks> woah
[09:09] <euxneks> crappy
[09:10] <bancus> Some error when installing the base system about not being able to get /pool/something//Release
[09:10] <bancus> looks like it's omitting the release in between those two slashes
[09:10] <bancus> like it doesn't know it's installing warty
[09:10] <euxneks> ... =o
[09:11] <nksen> is the root password the same as the userpassword or how do I login as root?
[09:11] <bancus> it also had a problem early on with not being able to "detect and mount" the CDROM
[09:11] <bancus> which isn't very hard to do, I had to do it manually
[09:11] <bancus> it also died while trying to find a wireless host even though I didn't want it to do anything with the network at all
[09:12] <ztonzy> Kamion, did a listing...looks like this:  vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi
[09:12] <mjr> nksen, there is no root password by default, use "sudo command" with your user password
[09:12] <mirak> how to install grub from a running livecd ?
[09:12] <ztonzy> Kamion, have to do that I installed KDE from 'universe'  ?
[09:12] <mjr> (also, you can set a root password with sudo if you really want)
[09:12] <bancus> oh, no, it's /cdom/dists//Release that it can't find
[09:12] <nksen> mjr, might 'sudo passwd' set my root pass?
[09:12] <mjr> nksen, yes indeed
[09:13] <Leonardo_21> algun canal en espaol
[09:13] <nksen> mjr, nice, thx
[09:13] <electroglas> I am trying to add a printer through the Cups web interface, but it asks me for a password and root/pswd does not work. Any ideas???
[09:13] <Leonardo_21> o alguien que hable en espaol
[09:13] <bancus> anyone able to help me with this?
[09:14] <sladen> electroglas: good point,
[09:14] <electroglas> bancus - I just jumped in, but do you have the Ubuntu cd in the drive?
[09:15] <bancus> yes
[09:15] <bancus> had to mount it myself, even
[09:15] <bancus>  /cdrom/dists/ exists
[09:15] <bancus> but it has warty, local, stable, testing and unstable
[09:15] <bancus> warty has a Release file in it
[09:15] <bancus> but it's not looking in there
[09:16] <electroglas> bancus - let me test it
[09:16] <bancus> would it be because I had it skip the network stuff?
[09:18] <stuNNed> is it possible in ubuntu unstable for mplayer to totally lock the whole computer?
[09:18] <stuNNed> let me rephrase that, is it possible for it to crash the whole computer?
[09:19] <Matt|> anything is possible
[09:19] <sladen> electroglas: you should be able to use the gnome-interface to configure CPUS
[09:20] <electroglas> Sladen - It crashes on adding a second printer
[09:20] <electroglas> or sometimes just for fun
[09:21] <sladen> electroglas: if you can track it down more specifically (at what stage does it crash), could you file a bugreport on https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[09:21] <Quest-Master> What's the apt-get command to reinstall a package?
[09:22] <electroglas> Working on it
[09:22] <thomas_> apt-get install PACKAGE --reinstall
[09:22] <Quest-Master> Ah
[09:22] <thomas_> complicated, eh?
[09:22] <Quest-Master> Hehe
[09:23] <Quest-Master> Hm
[09:23] <Quest-Master> It wants the CD
[09:23] <Quest-Master> Can't it just get it from the repository?
[09:24] <Quest-Master> (it being Python)
[09:27] <electroglas> bancus - it's not working for me on Koary
[09:28] <electroglas> hoary
[09:28] <bancus> is there a hoary installer disk out there?
[09:28] <jdub> there's one on cdimage.ubuntu.com, but i wouldn't recommend using it
[09:28] <jdub> better to install warty and upgrade
[09:29] <electroglas> I don't know, but I have the repository set to Warty
[09:29] <bancus> jdub, I *can't* install warty
[09:29] <bancus> hence the issue
[09:29] <bancus> it tanks during the base-system install
[09:29] <bancus> after the partition formatting, I might add
[09:29] <bancus> so I'm stuck with windows until I can get this working
[09:30] <jdub> tried md5summing the disk?
[09:30] <jdub> not sure the hoary installer is going to be that much more useful for you
[09:30] <bancus> it can't find /cdrom/dist//Release
[09:30] <bancus> like it doesn't know that it's installing warty
[09:31] <bancus> also, can I md5sum under windows?
[09:31] <jdub> rm, not sure
[09:31] <jdub> bancus: you might want to check bugzilla for bugs about that issue, i know it's been raised a couple of times
[09:32] <bancus> google shows nothing, but I'll check bugzilla
[09:32] <ptike> hile_, i have a problem with my writer or cdrecord. when I do cdrecord dev=ATAPI --scanbus he gives the folowing error: Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained.
[09:32] <ptike> Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow.
[09:32] <ptike> cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[09:33] <ptike> i managed to burn one's and then when i try another burn he give me this
[09:33] <bancus> jdub: bugzilla doesn't seem to contain anything either
[09:33] <ptike> anybody an idea?
[09:34] <ReptiX> what does this error look like is wrong?
[09:34] <ReptiX> Can't exec "/usr/sbin/makeuserdb": No such file or directory at (eval 1) line 5
[09:35] <ReptiX> no mysql?
[09:35] <electroglas> I am trying to add a printer through the Cups web interface, but it asks me for a password and root/pswd does not work. Any ideas???
[09:40] <russgray> I run ubuntu on a T22 Thinkpad. I followed the power management howto on the ubuntu wiki, and suspend works OK, but when I resume Gnome is really sluggish. Anyone know any workaround or fix?
[09:40] <zaofreek> is anyone else in here running doom 3 with ati binary drivers?
[09:41] <Hikaru79> Does mplayer have any sort of GUI at all?
[09:41] <bancus> jdub: the md5sum of the ISO checks out, but I have no way of verifying the disk itself
[09:41] <zaofreek> Hiraku79: if you have gtk installed, mplayer should have the guy by default
[09:41] <zaofreek> gui^
[09:43] <ReptiX> HELP GUYS
[09:44] <ReptiX> IM IN A TERMINOL OUTPUT UPDATE FOR SYNAPTIC HOW DO I GET OUT OF THE black sceen it has a small box grey ont eh bottome says (END)
[09:44] <ReptiX> please help
[09:44] <Hikaru79> zaofreek, I have GTK... but I can't even start mplayer by itself. It needs a command-line argument for the name of the file, and I give it that and it just starts playing the video. No GUI that I can see =/
[10:42] <jgjones> Greetings all
[10:42] <mjr> gnome is a metapackage
[10:42] <gwak> wow that is really soon the 5th
[10:43] <jgjones> I was looking at how to upgrade Firefox to 1.0?
[10:43] <jgjones> <--- Linux newbie, be gentle
[10:43] <ztonzy> mjr, well...still odd to me
[10:43] <Felix_the_Mac> Hi there. Are there any PowerBook users here? I have a trackpad problem :-(
[10:44] <mjr> ztonzy, and anyway, most of the memory that they seem to hog up is shared libraries
[10:44] <ztonzy> mjr, aha
[10:44] <_axel> jdub: dunno if you're the one to bitch about this, but the conference website insists on using 'Rheus' instead of 'Reus' :)
[10:44] <ztonzy> it do look as they take up place
[10:46] <ztonzy> mjr, hmmm
[10:47] <gwak> does anyone know if the freedesktop people have decided what to do about multiple devices grabbing /dev/dsp -- is it esd ?
[10:48] <thenuke> How do I change between vdesks in gnome?
[10:48] <robertj> gwak: its prolly going to be polypaudio
[10:48] <jdub> gwak: they haven't decided anything
[10:48] <thenuke> oh, and I'm looking for keyb shortcuts
[10:48] <gwak> is polyaudio another userspace utility?
[10:49] <_axel> thenuke: ctrl+alt+arrows
[10:49] <Felix_the_Mac> Hi again. So ... are there any iBook users here?
[10:49] <thenuke> _axel: thank you
[10:50] <gwak> yea i think its silly that alsa/linux cant handle it -- it must be a difficult issue to fix
[10:50] <_axel> thenuke: np
[10:51] <jdub> alsa can do it, but it's not necessarily something you want to do in the kernel (the way alsa does it is through the alsa libraries, not in the kernel itself)
[10:51] <mjr> (and most stuff should just use gstreamer for audio playing anyway, and it can output to multiple backends :)
[10:51] <mjr> (thus making it an issue of taste whether you want to use esd or whatever)
[10:52] <jdub> mjr: that doesn't actually solve the problem, it's just a lazy way to avoid defining policy
[10:54] <gwak> jdub:thanks i will check that out -- i wish more apps would start use alsa rather then oss
[10:56] <jdub> gwak: ubuntu is currently configured to use the oss compat alsa drivers, which is the sanest way to do things atm (alsalibs is not entirely reliable, or used well)
[10:57] <Felix_the_Mac> Does anyone here use pbbuttonsd for trackpad functionality?
[10:57] <gwak> jdub: it seems w/ hoary they have added esd in
[10:59] <theantix> what is a good mule/kazaa/whatever client to use while the major bittorrent sites are down?
[11:00] <Felix_the_Mac> theantix: whats up with the bittorent sites?
[11:01] <theantix> felix, from what I hear suprnova got ddos'd, and loki couldn't handle the traffic surge, and tvtorrents.net was down for an unrelated reason
[11:01] <jdub> gwak: huh? esd was shipped and used by default in warty.
[11:02] <Felix_the_Mac> theantix: I use torrentreactor.net
[11:02] <gwak> jdub: hmm weird i probley never noticed then -- the only reason i noticed it was mplayer stopped working after i upgraded -
[11:04] <gwak> jdub: it was hanging at alsa_init --
[11:04] <theantix> felix, thanks for the tip, but it doesn't have what I'm looking for sadly
[11:04] <ReptiX> Can't exec "/usr/sbin/makeuserdb": No such file or directory at (eval 1) line 515.
[11:04] <ReptiX> please help me fix this error
[11:05] <theantix> I found it on aMule, but it refuses to download for some odd reason
 goto #ubuntu and paste your error
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 they dont know
[11:05] <Felix_the_Mac> theantix: y'welcome.
[11:05] <Gmail> ReptiX: why the hell did you think you will be an answer with in 1 sec?
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Which forum would I report a bug in at Ubuntu forums?
[11:07] <Felix_the_Mac> Can anybody recommend a wireless network card with PPC drivers ??
[11:07] <Gmail> Quest-Master: topic
[11:07] <ReptiX> becuase im stupid gmail
[11:07] <ReptiX> please dont cuss and yell at me
[11:07] <Hrdwr_BoB> Felix_the_Mac: the cisco cards have full open source drivers
[11:08] <ReptiX> why the hell, is always yelling
[11:08] <Quest-Master> It's a bug on how things that are build shouldn't be put in /usr/local/lib or /usr/local/bin since software that depends on something won't look in those folders, therefore no success in compiling.
[11:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's not yelling
[11:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> THIS IS YELLING
[11:08] <Felix_the_Mac> Thanks Hrdwr_BoB are they cheap?
[11:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> Felix_the_Mac: not really :)
[11:08] <gwak> Reptix: i think makeuserdb is a mysql program -
[11:08] <Hrdwr_BoB> there are other cards though
[11:08] <ReptiX> me too
[11:08] <ReptiX> heh
[11:08] <gwak> Reptix: you can try installing mysql
[11:09] <ReptiX> i did
[11:09] <ReptiX> its installed
[11:09] <ReptiX> and so is everything else with mysql in it
[11:09] <rik_> I am new to irc and ubuntu is there anyone that could possibly lend a hand
[11:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> http://www.courier-mta.org/makeuserdb.html
[11:09] <Hrdwr_BoB> ReptiX: what are you trying to acheive
[11:09] <gwak> Reptix: try locate makeuserdb
[11:10] <Felix_the_Mac> rik_: Tell me all your problems! Then everybody can listen! You should know I am not a guru.
[11:11] <rik_> I have a new install and am trying to su - root but I don't know the default password
[11:11] <veran> its your normal user password
[11:11] <jdub> rik_: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:11] <veran> and make sure you use "sudo -s"
[11:11] <jdub> rik_: root is disabled in ubuntu, read the above link.
[11:11] <Felix_the_Mac> rik_: I beleive root is disabled. ie no password has been set. Therefore you use sudo instead
[11:12] <vrln> ls
[11:12] <Felix_the_Mac> this gives you a su environment for 1 command
[11:12] <rik_> many thanks
[11:12] <Felix_the_Mac> ie. sudo cat /etc/passwd
[11:12] <Felix_the_Mac> This is more secure since nobody can hack into the root account
[11:13] <Felix_the_Mac> and as veran says you enter your own user password
[11:14] <Felix_the_Mac> if you want to do more than 1 command then I use sudo sh, but I think you can also follow veran's advice and do sudo -s
[11:14] <colombre> hallo :-)
[11:15] <will> i like sudo /bin/bash
[11:15] <Felix_the_Mac> hallom :-)
[11:15] <ptike> i have a problem with my  usb burner. when i do cdrecord dev=ATAPI --scanbus he gives No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[11:15] <colombre> i want to dual boot ubuntu and Mac Os on Imac G3 600
[11:15] <colombre> but I'm new to mac
[11:15] <colombre> how can I do please?
[11:16] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: I have dual boot on my PowerBook, lets talk!
[11:16] <Felix_the_Mac> First you will need a spare partition. Do you have one?
[11:16] <rik_> many thanks all
[11:16] <colombre> no but i can do it
[11:17] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: Great! The rest is easy ... honestly
[11:17] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: have you downloaded the ubuntu ISOs?
[11:18] <dhanish> hello all
[11:18] <colombre> i ve got 1 iso there are more?
[11:18] <Felix_the_Mac> I have about 7GB for Linux and the rest for Mac OS X
[11:18] <will> is there an nvidia how to?
[11:18] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: Sorry no, I was thinking about yellow dog. One is good.
[11:18] <dhanish> how come my ntfs partitions icons dont show up in "computer" places in gnome but they mount fine when i go to /mnt/winxp
[11:19] <colombre> ok felix
[11:20] <dhanish> aren't icons for partitions suppose to show up under computer if they are in /etc/fstab?
[11:21] <colombre> felix is there a way to talk in a less crowded room?
[11:22] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: I am new at IRC. I dont know how this DCC chat thing works in my client!!!
[11:23] <colombre> me too :(
[11:23] <colombre> ok lets talk here then
[11:24] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: do you know how to burn the ISO so that it is bootable?
[11:24] <colombre> yes my iso boots but i don'know how
[11:24] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: I use cdrecord
[11:24] <colombre> to partition hd
[11:25] <colombre> ahd menage bootloader
[11:25] <lev> Hey, when i tried to play an mp3 in rythmbox, is said that no plugin is installed to handel an mp3 file... what do i need to install?
[11:25] <jdub> lev: gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:25] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: Oh ... I was very pleased when you said you could do it :-(
[11:25] <ficusplanet> Felix_the_Mac, In GNOME, right-click the iso and choose "Write to CD..."
[11:25] <lev> is that in SPM?
[11:25] <dhanish> lev: install gstream-mad package
[11:25] <Felix_the_Mac> soory ficusplanet colombre and me are using mac os x
[11:26] <dhanish> err nevermind
[11:26] <dhanish> xchat is yucky
[11:26] <ficusplanet> Oh, OK.  Panther?  Use the disc utility
[11:26] <Felix_the_Mac> I have cdrecord installed through fink
[11:27] <dhanish> so i take it ubuntu doesnt place icons for items in /etc/fstab automatically?
[11:27] <ficusplanet> Felix_the_Mac, http://www.intencha.com/adrian/burning_ubuntu_linux_iso_on_os_x.php
[11:27] <colombre> felix sorry I mnisunderstood your question
[11:27] <colombre> before :(
[11:27] <ficusplanet> dhanish, It will do all volume mounting automatically.  Just go to computer>>disks.
[11:28] <dhanish> ficusplanet, unfortuantely they arent showing up there
[11:28] <Felix_the_Mac> ficusplanet: mmm havent seen that. But if you would like to offer advice on partitioning prior to installing ubuntu then colombre would be glad to hear it.
[11:28] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: I reinstalled OS X and made a special partition ready for linux
[11:29] <mjr> dhanish, I think only for user mountable things
[11:29] <ficusplanet> dhanish, Are you sure they are mounted?  You can configure all of this by going to Computer>>Des. Prefs.>>Removable Storage.
[11:29] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: obviously this can be a bit of a drag
[11:29] <colombre> whaty kind of partition Felix?
[11:29] <ficusplanet> dhanish, Should work with removable media of all kinds - usb sticks, digital cameras, hard drives, etc.
[11:29] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: otherwise there a various tools available such a iPartition which I have just read about.
[11:29] <lev> How do install real player?
[11:30] <dhanish> ficusplanet, they are mounted cause i can go /mnt/winxp for instance and see my ntfs parition...this is what my fstab entry is like... "/dev/hde3        /mnt/winxp        ntfs       defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0"
[11:30] <dhanish> removeable media works but not for ntfs partitions
[11:30] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: also VolumeWorks from subrosasoft
[11:30] <colombre> can'I do it with mac os tools
[11:31] <ficusplanet> Change it to /dev/hde3 /mnt/winxp    ntfs    noauto,user,umask=000    0    0
[11:31] <ficusplanet> *noauto,ro,user,umask=000
[11:32] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: unfortunately not because. When I had a blank partition on my main disk it would not even let me _format_ it!!
[11:32] <colombre> i'ld like to use OsX stuff.
[11:32] <colombre> Can'I do whit that?
[11:32] <dhanish> k....is there a command that i can run for me to test out changes in fstab without restarting?
[11:33] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre: Check your DCC chat window :-)
[11:33] <ficusplanet> The second you save fstab, gnome should pick up on the changes.
[11:33] <dhanish> that did it..thanks ficusplanet
[11:33] <tommie_> how do i register the irc:// protocol?
[11:33] <Felix_the_Mac> colombre and /me go somewhere quiet to talk
[11:33] <ficusplanet> dhanish, np
[11:34] <dhanish> someone should update the wiki to refelect this..cause i got that fstab entry off the wiki
[11:34] <dhanish> now anyway to rename the items in computer? :D
[11:34] <ficusplanet> Was someone asking about RealPlayer?
[11:34] <ficusplanet> dhanish, Not that I know of, but they have much nicer/clearer names in Hoary.
[11:34] <ionrock> is ntp daemon installed and running by default ?
[11:35] <dhanish> ficusplanet, i am using hoary
[11:35] <tommie_> found it in url-handlers :)
[11:35] <ficusplanet> dhanish, Really?  Is something still showing up with an obscure name?
[11:35] <dhanish> names like "52G Hard Drive..."
[11:36] <will> where does ubuntu keep the linux kernel source code?
[11:36] <ficusplanet> dhanish, Oh, heh, I like those names.
[11:36] <dhanish> yeh
[11:36] <lev> I need help installing Real Player
[11:36] <Quest-Master> Would it be possible for someone who uses a Windows software modem currently to get online with Ubuntu with some kind of software dialer?
[11:36] <ionrock> my clock has been speeding up when the cpu works hard and I am trying to find out whether it is ubunut, debian or just my crappy  computer , the latter of which I would think is my problem
[11:36] <dhanish> i know being picky but it helps out when trying to figure out of 3 52G drives which one is which
[11:37] <GotD0t> i just executed who and its telling me that two terminals, which were started within 10 seconds of each other, are still open... one of which is an SSH in and the other was local, neither are still open... any way to fix this
[11:37] <ficusplanet> dhanish, Good point.  Maybe you could file a bug against HAL or G-V-M.
[11:37] <confrey> hi everybody
[11:37] <dhanish> so i guess for the time being its not possible to change the names?
[11:38] <will> does anyone know where the kernel source code is kept?
[11:38] <ficusplanet> dhanish, I don't think it is.  I could be wrong though.
[11:38] <confrey> Ican't find the faq page explaining how to play mp3 with ubuntu; I remember I have to download sone gstreamer plugin, but I can't find them
[11:39] <confrey> and how can I install xmms? I can't install from net, because I have a modem 56K, I have to download packages manually
[11:39] <GotD0t> confrey do sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:41] <dhanish> confrey, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats this wiki post has answers for your mp3 stuff
[11:42] <confrey> GotD0t, I can't do it; because in this way I might dowload all the Packages files, too much datas; I need to know where I can find the xmms package
[11:42] <GotD0t> confrey: when you run that command you will only get what is needed for xmms to run
[11:44] <dhanish> ficusplanet, so is it HAL and/or GVM that parse fstab and display items under computer....just wondering if there is some hidden config or something
[11:44] <CatDog> confrey: do you have a debian mirror set up in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[11:45] <ficusplanet> dhanish, GVM is a daemon that listens for messages from HAL about things being added and removed.  Nautilus will then work with GVM to display the appropriate stuff.
[11:45] <ben913> yay
[11:45] <ben913> i got hoary and xorg running
[11:45] <bancus> does hoary come with xorg?
[11:45] <ficusplanet> yes
[11:45] <ben913> yup
[11:45] <bancus> shit
[11:46] <bancus> shit shit shit
[11:46] <ben913> lol
[11:46] <ben913> warty comes with xfree
[11:46] <bancus> maybe I should just install base debian or fedora
[11:46] <GotD0t> why shit bancus?
[11:46] <dhanish> ficusplanet, thanks for clearing that up
[11:46] <bancus> ben913, the warty installer borks for me
[11:46] <bancus> GotD0t, I Have an ATI card.
[11:46] <confrey> CatDog : I have the 15 cd set of sarge, and the complete debian-marillat repository, october, 10, 2004 about
[11:46] <bancus> ati's drivers don't interact well with xorg 6.8
[11:46] <GotD0t> bancus: you use 3d acceleration?
[11:46] <bancus> yes
[11:46] <ben913> from what i've heard ati and xorg work fine
[11:47] <ben913> atleast on the ubuntu forums...
[11:47] <GotD0t> ben913: they do... just not accelerated
[11:47] <bancus> ben913, then you've heard wrong, unless ati has finally released support for it
[11:47] <calc> anyone know why setfacl on ubuntu doesn't work? (or am i used it wrong)
[11:47] <bancus> GLX-related segfaults
[11:47] <bancus> has to do with an ABI change
[11:47] <calc> it keeps telling me operation not supported
[11:47] <bancus> ATI said they were going to release a fix months ago
[11:47] <GotD0t> bancus: mine works fine... i just can't run 3d games on it
[11:47] <bancus> that was like three versions ago
[11:47] <bancus> GotD0t, well, I guess I do have windows now
[11:47] <bancus> but damn
[11:48] <bancus> I need to just get an nvidia card
[11:48] <CatDog> confrey: Hmmmm, well I'm not certain but xmms is probably on one of those somewhere (somebody put me right if it's not).
[11:48] <ben913> bancus, what about fedora, mandrake or the gazillion other linux distros?
[11:48] <CatDog> confrey: have you done '$apt-cdrom add' for each of the cds?
[11:48] <confrey> CatDog, fro example : at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats I can read to download gstreamer0.8-mad from universe repository, but in that location IO can't find gstreamer0.8, but 0.6, and not mad
[11:49] <bancus> ben913, fedora uses networkmanager, which doesn't work with ndiswrapper, which my wireless card needs
[11:49] <bancus> Didn't like mandrake
[11:49] <ben913> and xfree is still in the hoary repo, i believe
[11:49] <ficusplanet> bancus, NetworkManager is off by default in FC3.
[11:49] <ben913> it just auto installs xorg when you do apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:49] <confrey> CatDog, I don't like to cause some problems mixing other pkg sources... do you think I can do it safely?
[11:49] <bancus> ficusplanet, hm, maybe that's a possibility then
[11:50] <bancus> ficusplanet, I had a bad experience with FC1 though
[11:50] <ficusplanet> bancus, FC3 uses x.org 6.8.1, though.
[11:50] <bancus> related to having to get all that crap from 3rd party repos just to be able to listen to my music collection and watch movies
[11:50] <CatDog> confrey: sorry, I'm not very familiar with ubuntu specifics. I don't know.
[11:50] <bancus> curses
[11:50] <bancus> I'm going to mailbomb ATI, I swear.
[11:50] <ben913> i wish skype wasn't so f*cking ugly and messed up in gnome
[11:51] <ficusplanet> bancus, Probably your best option - other than buying an nvidia card.
[11:51] <bancus> ben913, seriously
[11:51] <ben913> bancus, was that seriously as in, 'i agree'?
[11:51] <bancus> ficusplanet, I don't really have the money for a new video card at the moment, unfortunately
[11:51] <bancus> ben913, yes
[11:51] <bancus> it's fugly
[11:51] <ben913> yeah, i kno
[11:51] <ben913> and the skype people refuse to do anything about it
[11:52] <GotD0t> i just executed who and its telling me that two terminals, which were started within 10 seconds of each other, are still open... one of which is an SSH in and the other was local, neither are still open... any way to fix this>
[11:52] <ben913> their answer is to just get kde :\
[11:52] <bancus> ben913 what a pain in the ass
[11:52] <ben913> i kno
[11:52] <ben913> is the skype protocol propriety?
[11:52] <ficusplanet> Skype protocol was recently made open, though, so maybe we'll see some Free GNOME implementations of it soon.
[11:53] <ben913> YES
[11:53] <ben913> i was waiting for the skype protocol to be made open
[11:53] <bancus> it's open?
[11:53] <bancus> since when?
[11:53] <illustre> greetings
[11:53] <ben913> i dunno
[11:53] <ficusplanet> About a week ago.
[11:53] <bancus> that rocks, if true
[11:53] <ben913> coolies
[11:54] <CatDog> confrey: all I can suggests is letting your 56k struggle with the download. apt should only download the dependancies it needs...
[11:54] <illustre> i am trying the live cd right now and would like to get my wireless card working  i did modprobe ipw2100 which is my module but i still get
[11:54] <Hikaru79> OK, I compiled MPlayer, then realised that I should have compiled the "Real.COM" streaming library FIRST. So now I have to get rid of Mplayer, install that, and build it again; how do I get rid of it? Is there a nice convenient script for that or do I have to start removing files?
[11:54] <illustre> no deviced when i do iwconfig eth1
[11:54] <ben913> my wireless card worked out of the box
[11:55] <lev> Ok, this is my conclusion.. I FCKIN LOVE UBUNTU!!!! :-D
[11:55] <Hikaru79> lev, good conclusion :)
[11:55] <ionrock> illustre, you may need to use iwconfig as root
[11:55] <illustre> is it possible to get it working with the live cd version :-)
[11:55] <numb> hi there, in ubuntu... (of course) the default "windows" are like this ( www.gnomejournal.org/images/dns-sd.png ), i don't like them, how can i chaged them?
[11:55] <Gwildor> how di i get gifttoxic to connect to a server?
[11:55] <illustre> is warty root or regular user
[11:55] <ionrock> that was my (abeit silly) problem in debian
[11:55] <ionrock> illustre: sudo iwconfig
[11:56] <illustre> well whoami shows i am root i open a root terminal
[11:57] <illustre> iwconfig does not show eth1
[11:57] <ionrock> sorry sudo iwconfig eth1
[11:57] <ben913> hoary feels faster, but maybe that's just a placebo
[11:57] <illustre> lsmod shows the firmware and driver loaded
[11:57] <ionrock> illustre, I usually make a wireless connection first using the gnome network-config too
[11:57] <ionrock> l
[11:58] <bito> alguem portugues ou brasileiro que me possa ajudar a configurar os nameservs de uma maquina nova sff?
[11:58] <illustre> ionrock: what is the command
[11:58] <lev> Is there any way to partition my windows HD without having to re-install everything, or pay for a program like partition magic?
[11:59] <ficusplanet> lev, http://www.sysresccd.org/
[11:59] <dhanish> this is why i hate setting up  linux....not only do you have to worry about setting up main stuff but tiny details that help out daily...no matter what the distro
[11:59] <ionrock> illustre, you can find it in the gnome menu or you can just run network-config from the command line
[11:59] <illustre> network-config command not ofund