[12:00] <ionrock> yeah i was wrong about that ;)
[12:00] <ionrock> network-admin
[12:00] <ionrock> that's it
[12:00] <illustre> ionrock: yeah i saw it :-)
[12:01] <Gwildor> how do i get giftoxic to connect to a server?
[12:01] <ficusplanet> Gwildor, What protocol are you wanting to use?  Have you run gift-setup?
[12:02] <lev> How come my internet all of a sudden became very slow..?
[12:02] <Gwildor> ficusplanet, nope....i will do that now
[12:02] <CatDog> dhanish: you mean instead of having to worry about whether you've got the latest version of winxp/ie, just so it won't automatically download the lastest worm that's in vogue?
[12:02] <CatDog> :)
[12:04] <mexcal> to lev, try bootit http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootitng.html
[12:04] <dhanish> CatDog, nah...nothing like that...i have issue with xp but i then i have issues with linux as well....
[12:07] <mexcal> where can i get all the Python tools written for Ubuntu?
[12:09] <confrey> is there a cd-burning apps like k3b in ubuntu? how can I simply erase a cdrw with nautilus?
[12:10] <ficusplanet> confrey, It will automatically blank the cdrw if it needs to be blanked, I believe.  This is not currently a GNOME equivalent for K3B.
[12:10] <CatDog> dhanish: you show me someone that doesn't, and i'll show you either a liar or a genius (or linus...)
[12:13] <ficusplanet> confrey, You might want to keep an eye on gnomebaker and coaster, though.
[12:13] <dhanish> CatDog, heh...i suppose....nothing is perfect
[12:13] <illustre> ionrock: for device i should put eth1 orrect
[12:14] <illustre> the wep key does not fit in network-admin
[12:14] <dhanish> hrm...is there some tool that will help me convert my ubuntu ext3 partition to resier4fs?
[12:15] <mjr> not that I know of
[12:15] <mjr> I wouldn't do that anyway, though
[12:16] <illustre> i created the device with network-admin but iwconfig still does not show it
[12:16] <dhanish> so basically create a new reiserfs parition...copy the contents of ext3 to that and then update grub?
[12:16] <mjr> dhanish, basically yes
[12:17] <dhanish> shucks...i was hoping it would easy as something like partition magic
[12:17] <illustre> how would i create the device from thecommnd line
[12:17] <dhanish> since i dont have space to create a new partition
[12:17] <mjr> is there a particular reason you need reiser?
[12:17] <dhanish> performance wise which is better ext3 or reiser4fs?
[12:17] <dhanish> i dont know i remeber reading something about data journaling and speed....
[12:18] <lev> what is the best multimedia software on ubuntu?
[12:18] <mjr> well, off the top of my head, reiser might've won some performace tests with a small margin
[12:18] <lev> That would be comparable to WMP
[12:18] <ficusplanet> dhanish, reiser4 by far, but I would be careful with it since it was just recently released.  Is it even in the ubuntu kernel?
[12:18] <dhanish> i dont even know
[12:18] <dhanish> well for now i'll stick with ext3 then
[12:18] <mjr> however, ext3 seems to me more reliable and it has better recovery utilities
[12:18] <CatDog> As long as they both keep the files safe, who cares? :-p
[12:18] <mjr> (I completely trashed a reiser once trying the recovery tool...)
[12:19] <mjr> anyway, ext3 can do data journaling do if you want it (and does metadata journaling by default)
[12:19] <lev> --> What is the best multimedia software?
[12:19] <dhanish> i used resier with other distros had no issues
[12:19] <ficusplanet> lev, I use the combination of totem-xine and muine.
[12:19] <dhanish> but then i never used them extensively enough to experience data loss
[12:19] <mjr> at this point my recommendation would be totem-xine and rhythmbox
[12:19] <lev> what is muine?
[12:19] <ficusplanet> lev, with the wincodecs totem will play essentially everything out there.  And muine is just a really nice, simple music player.
[12:20] <mjr> muine might be a valid choice too; it's another music player
[12:20] <mjr> if you're not allergic to the thought of C# software running on your box ;)
[12:20] <dhanish> fat partitions dont support file permissions right both for xp and linux?
[12:20] <mjr> dhanish, correct
[12:21] <mjr> there's the age-old umsdos kludge for linux, but I don't know if that's supported anymore, and we don't like to discuss it anyway ;)
[12:21] <dhanish> k...i wonder then if there is anyway to share firefox/thunderbird profiles betweek xp and ubuntu....without having to resort to moving profiles onto a fat32 partition
[12:21] <will> i like VLC
[12:22] <will> dhanisk...oh i wish
[12:23] <dhanish> hrm...maybe usb drive...nah that'll be slow
[12:23] <RuffianSoldier> im thinking of naming my new Linux box Quantum Shift.  what do you guys think?  Ill call it "QS" for short :-D
[12:24] <dhanish> i wonder if there is some kind of driver that will read linux partiotions in xp?
[12:24] <mjr> dhanish, at least there is some explorer-like tool to do that
[12:24] <mjr> don't know about actual drivers
[12:24] <mjr> Google's probably your friend
[12:24] <dhanish> true
[12:25] <lev> Where can i find the transparent theme ?
[12:25] <lev> IT looks really cool.
[12:27] <CatDog> dhanish: there are apps that will read ext partitions, and
[12:28] <CatDog> dhanish: damn. I meant to say: ext2fs
[12:28] <confrey> ok, I solved gstreamer and xmms problem, but, what do I need to play mp3 with xmms?
[12:28] <lev> Hey, where can i find the transparent theme... where the background of the terminal is all transparent.
[12:28] <lev> it looks awesome.
[12:29] <Gwildor> lev, i think it is in terminal setting....??
[12:29] <mjr> lev, not a theme, the pseudo-transparency can be set from terminal profiles
[12:32] <lev> how do you do it?
[12:32] <Matt|> guys what is the difference between the linux-kernel-headers package, and the linux-headers packages?
[12:32] <ficusplanet> lev, in the terminal, go to edit>>current profile>>effects
[12:32] <hubrix> hi, i need some help, my partitions wont mount
[12:32] <aitrus> does anyone know what package provides the man pages for getopt(3) (part of unistd.h)?
[12:32] <Roptaty> aitrus, manpages-dev
[12:32] <hubrix> i have 2 drives, both are ext3, one mounts
[12:32] <lev> then what?
[12:32] <hubrix> the other says that the mount points are busy or already mounted
[12:32] <hubrix> but they are not
[12:32] <hubrix> it worked fine
[12:32] <hubrix> until i built a 2.6.8 kernel
[12:32] <aitrus> Roptaty: thanks
[12:32] <lev> ficusplanet, then what do i do
[12:32] <aitrus> Roptaty: don't know how i missed that.... =/
[12:32] <hubrix> i also got this in dmesg
[12:32] <hubrix> device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[12:33] <illustre> i tried the network-admin but the device is not created or at least when i do iwconfnig eth1 it says no such device
[12:34] <illustre> could it be b/c i am using the live demo version?
[12:35] <Gandalfar> is there ubuntu netinstall?
[12:35] <lev> i love transparency ! :)
[12:36] <illustre> someone plse help me try this wirless connection with demo version?
[12:37] <Matt|> guys what is the difference between the linux-kernel-headers package, and the linux-headers packages?
[12:37] <ficusplanet> illustre, What card do you have?
[12:37] <hubrix> anyone help me with this mounting issue?
[12:38] <ficusplanet> hubrix, What's this issue?
[12:38] <illustre> ficusplanet:ipw2100
[12:38] <hubrix> 2 of my partitions have stopped mounting
[12:38] <hubrix> they used to mount
[12:38] <ficusplanet> hubrix, What filesystem?  NTFS?
[12:38] <hubrix> /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdc2 are all ext3
[12:38] <hubrix> mounts
[12:38] <hubrix> the other two dont
[12:38] <hubrix> saying they are mounted or mount points busy
[12:38] <hubrix> i've deleted and recreated the mount points
[12:39] <hubrix> so that cant be it
[12:39] <hubrix> and they arent mounted already
[12:39] <hubrix> i checked
[12:39] <ficusplanet> illustre, When you go into network-admin to create new wireless connection, does it see your card?  Or do you have an empty combo box?
[12:39] <ficusplanet> hubrix, What do the corresponding lines in /etc/fstab look like?
[12:39] <illustre> ficusplanet: empty
[12:39] <ReptiX> I NEED HELP PLESAE
[12:40] <Roptaty> Matt|, check out /usr/share/doc/linux-kernel-headers/README.Debian
[12:40] <hubrix> #flood
[12:40] <ReptiX> Im trying to apt-get install mcrypt
[12:40] <hubrix> oops
[12:40] <ReptiX> and i get this error
[12:40] <ReptiX> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:40] <ReptiX>  courier-imap
[12:40] <ReptiX>  courier-pop
[12:40] <ReptiX> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:40] <illustre> ficusplanet: lspci shows the card
[12:40] <hubrix> "/dev/hdc2       /mnt/files      ext3    defaults        0       0"
[12:40] <Matt|> Roptaty, thanks
[12:40] <hubrix> "/dev/hdc1       /mnt/store      ext3    defaults        0       0"
[12:40] <ReptiX> Please help
[12:40] <ficusplanet> illustre, That means that the card is not seen/loaded.  network-admin can't make the card up, it will only configure it once it's found.  We need to make sure the appropriate module is loaded at boot.
[12:40] <hubrix> "/dev/hda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1"
[12:40] <illustre> ficusplanet: how do i do that
[12:41] <xax> So, anyone else install ubuntu and have it just hang on the login screen. Bongo sound repeats forever and once I enter my username and password it sits at a blank screen with a cursor
[12:41] <illustre> ficusplanet:can't i manually create it ?
[12:41] <hubrix> xax: you have no windowamanger?
[12:41] <ReptiX> PLEASE HELP
[12:42] <hubrix> used to work, i just installed a new build of the kernel and now it doesnt
[12:42] <hubrix> i build everything oldconfig
[12:42] <jdub> ReptiX: you're better off providing information and asking direct questions than yelling please help all the time
[12:42] <illustre> ficusplanet:any hints i can try?
[12:42] <Seq> anybody know how i can diagnose (i think) IDE errors on a hard drive?
[12:42] <GotD0t> jdub: he did ask a question... scroll up
[12:42] <ficusplanet> illustre, Can you take a look in /etc/modules to see if ipw2100 is in there?
[12:42] <ReptiX> OK?
[12:42] <ReptiX> um i really need to get mcrypt on my pc
[12:42] <jdub> ReptiX: ask your question.
[12:42] <illustre> th module is loaded let me check /etc/mod
[12:42] <Matt|> Roptaty, so do I need the linux-kernel-headers as well as the linux-headers? is glibc compiled under the linux-kernel-headers packages?
[12:42] <GotD0t> ReptiX: try sudo apt-get update
[12:42] <ReptiX> how do i fix this error
[12:42] <ReptiX> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:42] <ReptiX>  courier-imap
[12:42] <ReptiX>  courier-pop
[12:42] <ReptiX> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:43] <jdub> ReptiX: look at the errors above those
[12:43] <ficusplanet> hubrix, Can you try changing defaults to defaults,user
[12:43] <illustre> /etc/modules is empty
[12:44] <hubrix> i can, why would that matter?
[12:44] <littlepenguin> Hi people! Why does the XFCE installer spit out Checking for Gtk+ >= 2.2.0... not found, see /home/fruchter/.xfce4.installer-log for details
[12:44] <ficusplanet> Try putting ipw2100 in there and then running sudo update-modules
[12:44] <illustre> but lsmod shows the module loaded
[12:44] <hubrix> i'm doing it as root
[12:44] <jdub> littlepenguin: you'd have to ask the xfce people
[12:44] <ficusplanet> littlepenguin, Do you have the dev packages for gtk installed?
[12:44] <hubrix> ficusplanet: no luck
[12:44] <GotD0t> ReptiX: try sudo apt-get update
[12:45] <littlepenguin> What is the pkgname you type for apt-get to install gtk dev pkgs
[12:45] <thenuke> hmm.. Many things are VERY small :) like when I open up amule, I hardly can read the text, and same thing on mm.. mplayers preferences..
[12:45] <ficusplanet> hubrix, Are you able to mount them manually?
[12:45] <ReptiX> please go to this url
[12:45] <ReptiX> http://pastebin.com/125374
[12:45] <hubrix> ficusplanet: i cant mount them at all
[12:45] <thenuke> why is that :I or more likely, how do I fix this :O
[12:45] <hubrix> ficusplanet: manually or auto
[12:45] <ReptiX> that is the full outcome of the text
[12:45] <ficusplanet> littlepenguin, libgtk2.0-dev
[12:45] <ReptiX> ignore the <?php please and the enging ?>
[12:45] <hubrix> ficusplanet: mount: /dev/hdc2 already mounted or /mnt/files busy
[12:45] <illustre> ficusplanet:update-moduels telles me do to force so i did update-modules force and i get the same msg use foce
[12:45] <ReptiX> let me ask nicer
[12:46] <ReptiX> Please help me get mcrypt to install.
[12:46] <fruchter> thx a ton
[12:46] <Roptaty> Matt|: You need the linux-headers package if you want to compile your own kernel-modules.
[12:46] <GotD0t> Reptix i already told you something to do... try it
[12:46] <ReptiX> i did
[12:46] <Matt|> Roptaty, sure i know, but do i need the linux-kernel-headers package for anything?
[12:46] <ReptiX> it didnt help
[12:46] <xax> hubrix: apparently not. Just sits there before loading into gnome(kde?)
[12:46] <Roptaty> Matt|: For normal use? No.
[12:46] <GotD0t> ReptiX: then why didn;t you say anything
[12:46] <ReptiX> sorry
[12:46] <ReptiX> lol
[12:46] <Matt|> Roptaty, ok i c thanks for your help
[12:47] <ficusplanet> hubrix, Instead of using default, try making it noauto.  It seems that the drives are mounted, but just not showing up to your user.  So, try the option, "noauto,user"
[12:47] <ReptiX> gotdot, it didnt work
[12:47] <Roptaty> Matt|: No problemo
[12:47] <illustre> fcusplanet:lsmod shows the modules loaded does that make  a diff
[12:47] <gen> reptix, it's in universe, you have universe enabled correct?
[12:47] <GotD0t> ReptiX: is saying mcrypt is already installed
[12:47] <ReptiX> yes
[12:47] <hubrix> ficusplanet: could it have something to do with me having built initrd incorrectly?
[12:47] <illustre> ficusplnet:lsmod shows the modules loaded does that make  a diff
[12:47] <ReptiX> cant be installed if im getting this error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_module_open() in /var/www/vhcs2/gui/include/vhcs-config.php on line 10
[12:47] <GotD0t> ReptiX: look at the 5th line....
[12:48] <ReptiX> why would i get this error?
[12:48] <ReptiX> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_module_open() in /var/www/vhcs2/gui/include/vhcs-config.php on line 10
[12:48] <ReptiX> how can i fix that error?
[12:48] <GotD0t> ReptiX: the mcrypt module probably is not loaded
[12:49] <ReptiX> how would i properly load it
[12:50] <ficusplanet> hubrix, Possibly.  I'm not sure.  If it says that the drive is mounted/busy though, I tend to think it is.  I would try changing those options and a) unmounting them or b) rebooting
[12:50] <fruchter> is there an apt-get pkg that includes compile stuff like gcc, make , automake etc.
[12:50] <GotD0t> ReptiX: do modprobe -l and look for mcrypt
[12:50] <Roptaty> hubrix: Do you have your previous kernel available? You updated to a new kernel right?
[12:50] <hubrix> ficusplanet: i've tried unmounting it says its not mounted, i've tried rebooting with no luck, i'll try to put ext3 as not a module and reboot then i will try your noauto,user although that is really not a good option, it used to work
[12:50] <ReptiX> i cant see it
[12:50] <hubrix> Roptaty: yes i have the old one, but i have to go home to try it :)
[12:50] <ReptiX> how do i just tell if its loaded or load it
[12:51] <Roptaty> hubrix: Hold on a minute... You are using ext3 for your filesystems but are having ext3 as a module in the kernel?
[12:51] <GotD0t> ReptiX: try modprobe mcrypt
[12:51] <ficusplanet> hubrix, OK, good luck.
[12:51] <ReptiX> GotD0t, FATAL: Module mcrypt not found.
[12:51] <palle> any1 knows how to get 3ddesktop working?
[12:51] <slashdotter> Hello guys. How many CDs (shipit.ubuntu.org) may I order?
[12:51] <hubrix> Roptaty: yeah, thats what ubuntu does by default
[12:51] <thenuke> slashdotter: dont they say something like they dont ship them anymore?
[12:51] <slashdotter> thenuke: no!
[12:51] <slashdotter>  thenuke: just ordered some
[12:53] <GotD0t> ReptiX: look around for documentation, i don't know the app so i really cant help... just look around for a module name or something in the docs
[12:53] <ReptiX> how do i load it
[12:53] <fruchter> sorry to ask this again, but is there a meta-pkg for apt-get that includes stuff like g++, gcc and make?
[12:53] <jdub> slashdotter: order as many as you need; if it's a ridiculous amount, you'll be contacted for confirmation
[12:53] <GotD0t> ReptiX: modprobe
[12:53] <jdub> fruchter: build-essential
[12:53] <tommie_> programs run from sudo have a theme other than mine, how do I fix that? is it in the theme files?
[12:53] <Roptaty> hubrix: My mistake. I thought that the root filesystem type had to be compiled into the kernel, but I'll guess I was wrong there. :)
[12:53] <slashdotter> jdub: is 15 OK?
[12:53] <ReptiX> GotD0t, it says i need to: You will need to compile your php with mcrypt support.
[12:53] <jdub> slashdotter: 15's fine :)
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Are there any Radeon drivers for Ubuntu?
[12:53] <ReptiX> so do you know how to compile php wioth mcrypt support
[12:53] <thenuke> cygserv.cygnnet.jkl.fi/thenuke/too_small.png  help please :)
[12:53] <jdub> Quest-Master: see the binary driver howto on the wiki
[12:53] <hubrix> Roptaty: thats what the initrd is for, the modules get loaded from it, alas i have no idea what i messed up, i'm considering pulling a non ubuntu kernel source and trying it, anyone have any experience with that?
[12:53] <GotD0t> ReptiX: i don't know php or any of that... like i said earlier; look around for doc's on how to do that
[12:53] <Quest-Master> Binary driver? Ok
[12:53] <slashdotter> jdub: ok thanks, bye
[12:54] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Have you tried installing libmcrypt4?
[12:54] <fruchter>  /nick littlepenguin
[12:54] <palle> Attempting to start 3ddesktop server.
[12:54] <palle> get property WIN_WORKSPACE failed - setting one
[12:54] <palle> get property WIN_WORKSPACE_COUNT failed - setting one
[12:54] <palle> Daemon started.  Run 3ddesk to activate.
[12:54] <palle> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:54] <palle> 3ddeskd: glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible!
[12:54] <palle> 3ddeskd: Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting.
[12:54] <palle> Can't get message queue: No such file or directory
[12:54] <palle> Maybe 3ddeskd server not started?
[12:54] <palle> what's wrong?
[12:56] <Quest-Master> Has anyon had problems installing the proprietary Radeon driver?
[12:56] <WW> Should Realplayer be able to play .ram files?
[12:56] <palle> how do i configure hardware acceleration to allow direct rendering?
[12:56] <palle> quest-master: proprietary?
[12:56] <ficusplanet> palle, What kind of graphics card do you have?
[12:56] <palle> ficusplanet: a radeon 9800XT
[12:56] <ReptiX> Roptaty, yes it is installed
[12:57] <Quest-Master> The one from ATI.com
[12:57] <ReptiX> does anyone know how i can compile php with mcrypt
[12:57] <ReptiX> ?
[12:58] <jdub> Quest-Master: see the binary driver howto on the wiki, don't install the one from ati.
[12:58] <ficusplanet> palle, Look for the binary driver howto in the wiki
[12:58] <hubrix> argh, i'm annoyed, i'm going home!
[12:58] <palle> okay ficusplanet thnx
[12:58] <ReptiX> it ends with --with-mcrypt=/usr/local
[12:58] <ReptiX> whats the beginning
[12:58] <ReptiX> compile php --with-mcrypt=/usr/local ??
[12:59] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Hold on.
[12:59] <fruchter_> god, it takes along time to download 15 mb on dial up
[01:02] <Xenguy> fruchter_: d/l overnight (used to work for me :-)
[01:03] <ReptiX> Roptaty, found anything
[01:05] <Seq> does anybody know why my hard drive would throw errors (found in dmesg) when running ubuntu hoary kernel 2.6.8.1-3, but not on a kernel 2.4 live cd?
[01:06] <Roptaty> ReptiX: I will try something here. I'll try recompiling php with libmcrypt installed.
[01:06] <ReptiX> ok
[01:07] <Roptaty> My guess is that mcrypt support hasnt been compiled in when packaging the deb.
[01:09] <Xenguy> !tell candymancan about xcfg
[01:09] <Xenguy> ww
[01:09] <MaDsKiLLz> heh i have to say... ubuntu is a v ery nice distro
[01:12] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Dam*, I ran out of space on my partition. Do you know how to compile a source package?
[01:14] <ReptiX> no
[01:14] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Its quite easy actually. There are two steps you have to do. Two commands actually. 1. sudo apt-get build-dep php4, and 2. sudo apt-get --compile source php4
[01:15] <ReptiX> E: Build-dependencies for php4 could not be satisfied.
[01:15] <ReptiX> the second one seems to work
[01:16] <ReptiX> now the second one says Build command 'cd php4-4.3.8 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
[01:16] <ReptiX> E: Child process failed
[01:16] <ReptiX> andi still get the error
[01:16] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Does it say which build dependencies which cant be satisfied?
[01:17] <ReptiX> libpam0g-dev libpcre3-dev (>= 4.3-1) libpng12-dev librecode-dev libsablot0-dev (>= 0.96) libsnmp4.2-dev libttf-dev libxmltok1-dev libxml2-dev (>= 2.4.14) libxslt1-dev (>= 1.0.18) re2c libt1-dev unixodbc-dev xlibs-dev libwrap0-dev
[01:17] <ReptiX> dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting.
[01:17] <ReptiX> dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.)
[01:17] <ReptiX> thats about it
[01:17] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Do you have "universe" in your sources.lst?
[01:17] <Roptaty> sources.list...
[01:18] <mulux> Is there anything similar to debians "modconf" in ubuntu?
[01:18] <ReptiX> yea
[01:18] <drac`> Ubuntu is debian
[01:19] <drac`> :)
[01:19] <Xenguy> MaDsKiLLz: I agree - looking very promising
[01:19] <drac`> debian is ubuntu ;)
[01:19] <Roptaty> ReptiX: How about multiverse then?
[01:19] <mulux> drac`: well, in that case, modconf is missing :P
[01:19] <Xenguy> drac`: no
[01:19] <ReptiX> yep
[01:19] <drac`> use the same tools
[01:19] <Xenguy> drac`: ubuntu is based on Debian
[01:19] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Strange. It worked flawlessy here.
[01:19] <Xenguy> drac`: the reverse is not true IMO
[01:20] <drac`> of course
[01:20] <MaDsKiLLz> hell its really good right now
[01:20] <Xenguy> drac`: now we agree :-)
[01:20] <mulux> the thing is that I'm going to install a new network-card, what do I need to do to make it work?
[01:20] <Xenguy> MaDsKiLLz: and it will get better :-)
[01:20] <drac`> but there is no difference in using one or the other excepted the packages
[01:21] <yann_> hi everybody  :)
[01:21] <Quest-Master> Hey
[01:22] <lev> i got cdcontrol from universe, how do i access it?
[01:22] <Xenguy> drac`: I think your statements are a bit too general, and therefore may be misleading to others -- Ubuntu is not identical to Debian in the final analysis
[01:22] <yann_> how can I change the text displayed when logging on ssh?
[01:22] <Xenguy> yann_: I don't understand your question
[01:22] <Xenguy> biab
[01:22] <drac`> I've seen no difference exepected some config things
[01:23] <yann_> Xenguy > when I log on ssh on my ubuntu, a default welcome message is displayed; is there any way to customize it ? :)
[01:24] <lev> How do i access CDcontrol?
[01:24] <drac`> it's in /etc/motd
[01:24] <drac`> i think
[01:24] <lev> I installed it from universe, but i cant seem to find it.
[01:24] <yann_> merci drac` :)
[01:24] <drac`> np :-)
[01:25] <ReptiX> so waht do i do Roptaty
[01:29] <illustre> ubuntu is very impresive was not able to get wireless nic working on live-cd but i like what i see great job people
[01:29] <tommie_> Anyone know how to fix this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6819
[01:29] <ficusplanet> tommie_, You need to copy the theme you are using to /usr/share/themes
[01:30] <ben913> hi
[01:30] <tommie_> ficusplanet: Thanks, I'll try that.
[01:30] <ben913> CUPS is being stupid
[01:30] <ben913> again
[01:30] <ben913> i have a printer set up
[01:30] <ben913> and it's an smb printer
[01:30] <mulux> okay, let's try again, what will I need to do to get a new NIC working?
[01:30] <ben913> and it refuses to let me change the samba username and password
[01:31] <ben913> i've even tried removing the printer and adding it again
[01:31] <ben913> but it still won't 'remember' the username and pass fields
[01:32] <Roptaty> ReptiX: It seems like you may need to compile php manually. :(
[01:33] <ben913> anyone?
[01:33] <yann_> btw, is there any ubuntu-developer or the webmaster here? :)
[01:33] <GotD0t> ReptiX: yea... thats exactly what you were told you had to do
[01:34] <mulux> what firewall software do you guys recommend?
[01:34] <Neill|> iptables
[01:35] <Roptaty> GotD0t: Seems like the package maintainer of php doesnt think people need mcrypt support.
[01:35] <ReptiX> anyont know how too?
[01:35] <mulux> Neill|: do you think a newb can install/configure it?
[01:35] <mulux> :)
[01:35] <ficusplanet> mulux, You can use Firestarter to configure iptables, if you'd like.
[01:36] <ficusplanet> .
[01:36] <ReptiX> how to compile php manually
[01:36] <ReptiX> please help
[01:36] <mulux> ficusplanet: oh, neat. thanks
[01:36] <ficusplanet> np
[01:36] <Roptaty> ReptiX: ./configure --with-mcrypt && make && make install
[01:36] <mulux> ficusplanet: what about istalling? is there an apt-packet? :)
[01:37] <ficusplanet> mulux, For firestarter?  I believe so.
[01:37] <mulux> ficusplanet: nah, I was refering to iptables
[01:38] <ficusplanet> Oh, it's built into the kernel.
[01:38] <mulux> yay, hurray!
[01:38] <mulux> thanks for the help
[01:38] <ficusplanet> np
[01:38] <ReptiX> were dop i do this Roptaty
[01:38] <ReptiX> were is php at
[01:40] <Nivlem> Added my firewire drive to /etc/fstab like this: /dev/sdb9 /media/music hfsplus rw,user,noauto 0 0 while I can mount the drive just fine it is only being recognized as a read only filesystem. Permissions are rwx...anyone know why this might be
[01:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> Is there something like prelink avaliabe for ubuntu?
[01:40] <Roptaty> ReptiX: apt-get source php4. cd into the php directory and issue those commands.
[01:41] <ReptiX> were is the php dir
[01:42] <Roptaty> ReptiX: If you run apt-get source php4, apt-get will place the php directory into the current working directory.
[01:42] <ben913> can anyone help me with my printer/stuid cups problem?
[01:42] <tommie_> ficusplanet: Works, thanks again!
[01:42] <ReptiX> its not
[01:42] <ficusplanet> np
[01:42] <ReptiX> becuase it was already installed
[01:43] <ReptiX> your erighrt
[01:43] <ReptiX> nvm
[01:43] <Roptaty> ReptiX: apt-get source not install ;)
[01:44] <ReptiX> ok
[01:44] <ReptiX> yay
[01:44] <ReptiX> its installiong
[01:44] <ReptiX> how do i know if it found mcrypt
[01:44] <_|Imanewbie|_> Is prelink avaliable for ubuntu?
[01:45] <ben913> holy shit
[01:45] <ben913> have people been on slashdot lately?
[01:45] <ben913> have you seen the aids vacine !?
[01:46] <jdub> _|Imanewbie|_: prelink is in universe, but we don't recommend using it. it causes more problems than it solves problems.
[01:46] <fruchter_> what's the libxml dev pkgname
[01:46] <jdub> ben913: probably something for another channel, dude
[01:46] <jdub> fruchter_: apt-cache search libxml dev
[01:46] <GotD0t> ben913: it not for aids... its for HIV
[01:46] <Roptaty> ben913: HIV, not aids...
[01:46] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdub: Does it still too unstable?
[01:47] <jdub> _|Imanewbie|_: dunno about unstable, but it's not hugely useful.
[01:47] <ReptiX> Roptaty,
[01:47] <ReptiX> i get thisetopt.lo main/internal_functions.lo -lcrypt -lcrypt -lmcrypt -lltdl -lresolv -lm -ldl -lnsl -lcrypt -lcrypt  -o sapi/cgi/php
[01:47] <ReptiX> libtool: link: `ext/ctype/ctype.lo' is not a valid libtool object
[01:47] <ReptiX> make: *** [sapi/cgi/php]  Error 1
[01:47] <ben913> Roptaty, same thing :p
[01:47] <ReptiX> lol
[01:47] <Roptaty> ben913: No, its not the same thing. :p
[01:48] <GotD0t> ben913: no its not... you get aids from HIV, im certain the vaccine doesn't help once its progressed to the AIDS stage
[01:48] <ReptiX> please help Roptaty
[01:49] <jdub> dudes, vastly off-topic stuff elsewhere please...
[01:49] <ben913> grr, i'm trying to print the news article, but of course, cups is stupid, so it doesn't work
[01:49] <ben913> jdub, there, i related back to my printer problem
[01:49] <ben913> hah
[01:49] <ben913> i win
[01:50] <cef_work> jdub: hey ages ago I asked about what font the ubuntu logo used. did that ever get figured out?
[01:50] <jdub> nup
[01:50] <cef_work> jdub: ok, who should i ask?
[01:50] <jdub> didn't get a response from the design co
[01:50] <jdub> you've asked the right person :)
[01:51] <billytwowilly> man, the chronicles of riddick directors cut is a WAY better movie than the original
[01:51] <Roptaty> ReptiX: Hmm, not sure what to do. An error message like that might suggest a bug in the libtool program or in the source.
[01:51] <ReptiX> oh man
[01:51] <ReptiX> i need to fix this
[01:51] <ReptiX> badly
[01:51] <cef_work> jdub: heh.. cos I've got all these designs for t-shirts in my head.. and they'd look a bit trashy if they use a different font for associated text
[01:51] <ReptiX> can someone ssh into my system
[01:51] <ReptiX> please
[01:51] <GotD0t> ReptiX: i can... but i cant help
[01:52] <GotD0t> ReptiX: ;-)
[01:52] <ReptiX> lol
[01:52] <billytwowilly> ReptiX, I can too.. but I probably won't be able to help;)
[01:52] <billytwowilly> What's wrong?
[01:52] <ReptiX> that CAN Help
[01:52] <ReptiX> lol
[01:52] <ReptiX> i cant get mcrypt to work
[01:52] <Roptaty> billytwowilly: mcrypt + php troubles
[01:52] <billytwowilly> no idea.
[01:53] <cef_work> jdub: so the logo was created by a design company?
[01:53] <ben913> grrr
[01:53] <jdub> yeah
[01:53] <jdub> cef_work: i'm pinging again
[01:53] <ben913> anyone wanna help me with my cups and gnome cups gui prob?
[01:53] <Roptaty> ReptiX: I have to go to sleep now, but Ill be back in 14-18 hours  or so...
[01:53] <Roptaty> ben913: So, what cups size are you? A? B? ;)
[01:54] <cef_work> jdub: ok then, if they can't tell us what font, the alternative is that we give them the text and they produce images of the text in that font..
[01:54] <cef_work> jdub: but this of course might cost ubuntu money, which is not that great a thing
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> god i love ubuntu its my new favorite distro
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> i thought i ordered 1 cd
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> cuz i didnt feel like downloading it and i saw it was free
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> cept i recieved 10 ;p
[01:55] <jdub> cef_work: they will, just have to make them think it's important :)
[01:55] <billytwowilly> MaDsKiLLz, I don't think they send out less than 10
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> yea
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> i recieved 10
[01:55] <MaDsKiLLz> ;p
[01:55] <cef_work> jdub: not like canonical can't afford it, but hey... *grin* money saved = more postage money for free CD's *grin*
[01:55] <luis_> ubuntulog: partying like it's 1999 ;)
[01:55] <luis_> hrm
[01:56] <WebMaven_away> OK, this is wierd. Why isn't CVS installed by default?
[01:56] <ReptiX> ubuntu stands for:u want too :)
[01:56] <cef_work> cos the average home user doesn't use CVS?
[01:57] <jessta> cef_work: they should
[01:57] <jdub> WebMaven_away: in general, we've left very developer-oriented tools out of the default install. it's included on the cd and supported, though.
[01:57] <Roptaty> WebMaven_away: Your cvs is just an apt-get install cvs away :)
[01:57] <ben913> Roptaty, hah, your funny
[01:57] <cef_work> ReptiX: oh I've got thousands of those sorts of things rattling around in my head.. and since I'm taking holidays between 20th dec and 10th jan, I'm actually going to concentrate on a few ubuntu related projects, inclusing this stuff
[01:58] <cef_work> erm, including
[01:58] <ReptiX> ok
[01:58] <ReptiX> and?>
[02:00] <phlaegel> anybody using the galeon packages on hoary?
[02:01] <billytwowilly> what is galeon?
[02:02] <phlaegel> a browser. galeon.sf.net
[02:03] <billytwowilly> oh
[02:03] <ReptiX> dont we all
[02:04] <billytwowilly> so there is two browsers for gnome then? galeon and epiphany?
[02:04] <billytwowilly> s /is/are
[02:04] <ReptiX> no
[02:04] <ReptiX> firefox and firefox
[02:05] <phlaegel> galeon used to be the gnome browser
[02:05] <phlaegel> epiphany replaced it
[02:05] <jdub> galeon was never the gnome browser :)
[02:05] <billytwowilly> so why are people still developing galeon?
[02:05] <jdub> it was just the browser most associated with gnome :)
[02:05] <phlaegel> wasn't it? (I never actually used gnome until recently...) thought I remembered it was...
[02:06] <jdub> billytwowilly: difference in objectives between the projects
[02:06] <phlaegel> so it just wasn't official, right?
[02:07] <billytwowilly> jdub, what differences?
[02:07] <jcole> i give up... any gnome/gtk2 samba gui client out there similar to qt/kde smb4K ?
[02:08] <pdaoust> hm, this is fun: postfix doesn't seem to be relaying any locally-sent e-mails to my ISP's SMTP server... is it set up to not do that by default?
[02:08] <Nivlem> jcole: there used to be gnomba..but that is a while back..don't know if it is still being worked or not..
[02:08] <pdaoust> jcole: never heard of any; my SMB needs are pretty modest
[02:08] <pdaoust> jcole: how about LinNeighborhood?
[02:08] <jcole> LinNeighborhood looks like shit
[02:08] <jcole> lol
[02:08] <pdaoust> jcole: true enough ^_^
[02:08] <jcole> i'll stick with it
[02:09] <jcole> what's up with all the gtk1 apps *not* converted to gtk2 ?
[02:10] <pdaoust> jcole: dunno; maybe they just couldn't be bothered because it's working great as it is, even if it does look like sh**
[02:11] <pdaoust> jcole: although I know there are some stylistic/technical/political reasons: some people don't like the way GTK2 is going; they say it's too bloaty.
[02:11] <Nivlem> hpfsck reports errors on my firewire partitions...what do I run to correct the reported problem(s)?
[02:11] <jcole> pdaoust: i guess... take a look at mplayer or xmms for example... for god's sake, they are multimedia apps
[02:11] <pdaoust> hah
[02:18] <lamont> pdaoust: postfix frequently doesn't know your hostname well enough to make the ISP happy, etc.  by default it's configured well enough to deliver mail local to the computer.
[02:18] <lamont> anything beyond taht requires configuration. :-(
[02:22] <pdaoust> lamont: looooovely. I wanted to use it to test out mail-sending with a PHP script I wrote, but maybe I'll just give up :)
[02:22] <pdaoust> ta, folks
[02:24] <lev> What is a good cd burning softwaree?
[02:24] <lev> i need to get something.
[02:24] <billytwowilly> k3b is good, but mildly borken in warty
[02:25] <lev> isnt that for kde?
[02:25] <billytwowilly> yah, but it works in gnome.
[02:25] <lev> how do i get it?
[02:26] <billytwowilly> sudo apt-get install k3b
[02:26] <lev> nvm.. i see it in SPM
[02:26] <lev> what do you mean it is broken?
[02:31] <lev> billy, it says i need a password
[02:40] <bancus> Has onyone seen any problems with modules after installation?
[02:41] <bancus> Possibly related to Hoary.
[02:41] <Cloudchaser> hello
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bancus, what modules?
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> i was hoping someone might have a suggestion for me..using firefox in ubuntu and i can't  seem to get to some pages on college library website
[02:42] <bancus> a couple related to hotplug refuse to load during boot
[02:42] <billytwowilly> how do I figure out what version of a module is installed? I want to know what version of the ipw2200 driver I've got.
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> i click the links they give and nothing happens
[02:42] <bancus> and ndiswrapper.ko apparently has the wrong format
[02:42] <billytwowilly> bancus, no idea. sory
[02:42] <billytwowilly> Cloudchaser, are the webpages down?
[02:42] <Cloudchaser> works on my husband's window's pc but not on mine :( i have a paper due in a few days
[02:43] <Cloudchaser> billytwowilly, no they're not down
[02:43] <Matt|> Cloudchaser, give us the link
[02:43] <Matt|> nice nick btw
[02:43] <billytwowilly> Cloudchaser, on your husband's comp does it pop them open in a new window? Possibly the popup blocker is stopping it from working properly in that instance.
[02:43] <Cloudchaser> can't really cause i have to log in with college id
[02:43] <Matt|> oh i c
[02:43] <Matt|> wat he said then
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> well some popups work but i don't find any popup manager in firefox
[02:44] <Matt|> Cloudchaser, in the preferences
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> i looked in there
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> it has cookies
[02:44] <Cloudchaser> oh found it now
[02:44] <Matt|> Cloudchaser, nope that's not it, it's under web features
[02:44] <Matt|> k
[02:44] <bancus> also, why does GDM ignore my keymap?
[02:45] <bancus> consoles use dvorak, gnome uses it once I've logged in, but GDM insists that I want qwerty
[02:45] <Matt|> bancus, check your xorg config?
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> oh thank you matt!!!!
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> that did it!!!
[02:45] <Cloudchaser> ;)
[02:45] <Matt|> Cloudchaser, it was billytwowilly's idea :)
[02:46] <Matt|> >_>
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> oh billytwowilly thank you!!!!
[02:46] <Matt|> <_<
[02:46] <Cloudchaser> hehe
[02:46] <bancus> Matt|, I just installed, it should be set up right
[02:46] <billytwowilly> woot! I think that's my first piece of advice that has been good;)
[02:46] <bancus> I indicated dvorak at the beginning of my installation
[02:46] <Matt|> bancus, check just in case?
[02:46] <bancus> bleh
[02:46] <bancus> I'm about ready to give up on ubuntu anyway.
[02:46] <Matt|> bancus, you installed hoary from cd?
[02:46] <bancus> Matt|, yeah
[02:46] <Matt|> *grins* bancus why give up?
[02:46] <bancus> warty wasn't working
[02:46] <bancus> although, I guess I can go back and try it now that I've figured out why
[02:46] <Matt|> you'll never learn anything about linux if you give up with every distro
[02:47] <bancus> I know plenty about it
[02:47] <bancus> I just don't want to spend all day and all night messing with it
[02:47] <bancus> I want a system that just works
[02:47] <Matt|> bancus, get windows
[02:47] <bancus> it doesn't just work
[02:47] <bancus> it's slow
[02:47] <Matt|> nah it works
[02:47] <bancus> and doesn't have rhythmbox
[02:47] <Matt|> i've seen it
[02:47] <bancus> or epiphany
[02:47] <bancus> or evolution
[02:48] <bancus> all great software that windows can't do
[02:48] <Matt|> bancus, well you're stuck with it then
[02:48] <bancus> I just want a distro that doesn't make me fuck with the low-level things
[02:48] <Matt|> :)
[02:48] <bancus> I don't want to ever have to open up a configuration file.
[02:48] <Matt|> bancus, dream on
[02:48] <bancus> Not for routine things
[02:48] <bancus> Matt|, I'm not the only one
[02:48] <bancus> Project Utopia is bringing it
[02:48] <ReptiX> how do i get remote access to work and how do i access it
[02:49] <bancus> things like NetworkManager are coming along to help
[02:49] <Matt|> bancus, i'm sure you're not. I agree with you in principle, and this is also the ubuntu aim, but it is naive
[02:49] <Matt|> atm
[02:49] <bancus> I thought Ubuntu might be the one to bring all the pieces together
[02:49] <bancus> but I've had such a bad experience with it so far I'm not sure I want to bother
[02:49] <Matt|> bancus, hrm, its more accessible than most. But they have not been able to test it on enough hardware
[02:49] <bancus> why can't the installer check both CD-ROM drives?
[02:50] <Matt|> bancus, *laughs* loads of installers don't do that
[02:50] <ReptiX> BECUASE
[02:50] <ReptiX> Lol
[02:50] <bancus> The problem I had at first was because the cd was in the slave drive
[02:50] <Matt|> bancus, oh i c, you don't mean check the media
[02:50] <bancus> no, it borked during install
[02:50] <bancus> because it couldn't find the disk
[02:51] <Matt|> bancus, perhaps the media was corrupted
[02:51] <bancus> it only looked in master, didn't bother checking slave
[02:51] <bancus> nope
[02:51] <bancus> it was fine once I moved it to the other drive
[02:51] <Matt|> bancus, good
[02:51] <bancus> but I shouldn't have had to do that
[02:51] <Matt|> my gentoo list cd doesn't boot from my second cd drive
[02:51] <Matt|> *live
[02:51] <bancus> I didn't install gentoo from CD
[02:51] <bancus> Xenguy, go ahead, ignore it
[02:51] <Matt|> bancus, good. Just saying, same problem
[02:51] <scoon> bancus, that is a bios thing.  search order is determined by your bios.
[02:52] <bancus> scoon, it booted from the CD just fine
[02:52] <bancus> so it's not a BIOS thing
[02:52] <scoon> bancus, you complaint is about search order during boot.
[02:52] <bancus> no it isn't
[02:52] <scoon> bancus, not booting. it is a bios thing
[02:52] <bancus> I never said anything about it not booting, did I?
[02:52] <Matt|> scoon, nah you've misunderstood him
[02:52] <bancus> I said it borked during installation
[02:52] <scoon> bancus, ah, my bad. sorry
[02:53] <bancus> not being able to find the cd it was running of of
[02:53] <scoon> bancus, selective reading.
[02:53] <bancus> I see. ;)
[02:53] <scoon> bancus, I don't.
[02:53] <scoon> :)
[02:53] <bancus> heh
[02:53] <bancus> maybe I'll try warty again before I waste a DVD-R on fedore
[02:53] <bancus> I really don't want to have to use fedora
[02:53] <scoon> bancus, yeah, do it. do it.
[02:53] <Xenguy> bancus: actually, sorry about that, it is a good thing you are reporting this - did you file a 'bug report' on this at all?  (might be the best idea to make sure it gets followed up)
[02:54] <scoon> bancus, this is the best distro i have used in 6 years.
[02:54] <Matt|> bancus, anyhow, it's their first release and as I say, they need people to test hardware
[02:54] <bancus> Xenguy, I'm going to, I guess
[02:54] <Matt|> bancus, so file a bug, that would really help :)
[02:54] <bancus> scoon, the enhancements to gnome look promising
[02:54] <GotD0t> its amazing how things always go wrong at a time where the reason for the break is completely different from what it actually was
[02:54] <Xenguy> bancus: I think there's a bug report page somewhere on the web site
[02:54] <bancus> GotD0t, that was a problem I had with gentoo
[02:54] <bancus> Xenguy, bugzilla.ubuntulinux.org
[02:54] <Xenguy> bancus: ah so
[02:55] <Matt|> bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:55] <bancus> GotD0t, it kept fucking up the config files
[02:55] <GotD0t> bancus: well its not specific to operating systems... or computers in general. just stuff goes wrong at an exact moment where it makes it seem completely different
[02:55] <bancus> most recently, it fucked net.lo, and the loopback device wasn't being brought up
[02:55] <bancus> but nothing said that
[02:55] <bancus> instead, everything broke in bizarre ways
[02:55] <bancus> like fam refusing to load
[02:55] <Matt|> bancus, no offence, but gentoo doesn't touch the config files
[02:55] <bancus> Matt|, dispatch-conf and etc-update do
[02:56] <Matt|> bancus, well those are run by YOU
[02:56] <mulux> My X is locking up every now and then... I can ssh to the computer, so its not completely hung. ctrl+alt+backspace wont shutdown X, nor will ctrl+alt+F1 go to a console, any ideas?
[02:56] <bancus> which are standard gentoo tools
[02:56] <bancus> Matt|, and so is emerge
[02:56] <Matt|> bancus, and you get to choose which files to amend, and it tells you each difference between them and your old ones
[02:56] <bancus> Matt|, and they put a diff into my localdrive init script
[02:56] <Matt|> so don't start blaming distros
[02:57] <bancus> ignoring my choice completely
[02:57] <Matt|> bancus, your choice was -1?
[02:57] <bancus> there's not even a choice for "replace my init script with a diff"
[02:57] <ReptiX> OK how do i setup REMOTE DESKTOP and how do i access it please
[02:57] <bancus> nope
[02:57] <Matt|> bancus, ok then.
[02:57] <bancus> I only ever used use new and zap new
[02:57] <ReptiX> bancus read the WIKI GOD
[02:57] <ReptiX> :)
[02:57] <bancus> say what?
[02:57] <ReptiX> say what?
[02:57] <bancus> what's a wiki god?
[02:57] <Matt|> dunno
[02:57] <bancus> some sort of islander god of quickness?
[02:58] <ReptiX> what's a wiki god?
[02:58] <Xenguy> mulux: is gpm running by any chance?
[02:58] <ReptiX> some sort of islander god of quickness?
[02:58] <Matt|> ReptiX, are you an echo bot?
[02:58] <ReptiX> no
[02:58] <ReptiX> lol
[02:58] <Matt|> well stop it then
[02:58] <ReptiX> i did
[02:58] <jdub> ReptiX: computer > desktop preferences > remote desktop
[02:58] <anders_> should I have a /.dev mount when running udev?
[02:58] <ReptiX> thank you, how do i access it though like if i give a user it how do they get on?
[02:59] <Quest-Master> :( Ubuntu is not working well with Python at all.
[02:59] <Xenguy> mulux: (sometimes gpm and X can conflict in weird ways; it may not be your problem, but it's a thought)
[02:59] <Matt|> jdub, you had that /proc unmount on the 2.6.9 kernel?
[02:59] <anders_> I think it's missing..
[02:59] <Matt|> anders_, i have one but not 100% sure
[03:00] <Rene_S> damn cant install gnome-menu's because I have kdelibs on the machine, not ready to loose k3b
[03:00] <jdub> Matt|: i'm not using it
[03:00] <mulux> Xenguy: hmm, gpm?
[03:00] <Matt|> jdub, ok
[03:00] <anders_> Matt|: what is your full mount line with it?
[03:00] <mulux> Xenguy: I'm new to linux, heh :)
[03:00] <Xenguy> jdub: hrm, I'm not on my ubuntu box ATM - what is the mechanism/software for that 'remote desktop' menu option you mention above?
[03:00] <Matt|> /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)
[03:00] <Matt|> anders_, ^^
[03:00] <Xenguy> mulux: OK...
[03:00] <Matt|> jdub, it seems sweet
[03:01] <raja> hmm
[03:01] <raja> since i upgraded to hoary
[03:01] <Xenguy> mulux: if you are at the console (not in X), are you able to 'highlight' text with your mouse (if yes, that would indiciate gpm is running)
[03:01] <raja> totem has toruble playing the video... the audio works fine
[03:01] <raja> the video is pitch black
[03:02] <Xenguy> mulux: (or you can do -> ps aux |grep gpm
[03:02] <jdub> Xenguy: vino
[03:02] <mulux> Xenguy: hm, I'm unable to access the console now (because of the lockup), but normally no, I don't have any mouse in the console afaik
[03:02] <mulux> no gpm process running either
[03:02] <Xenguy> jdub: hrm, never heard of that; will investigate further then - tx
[03:03] <Matt|> anders_, actually that is not the only line I have. it's all a bit weird and i don't understand it fully. I'll PM ya it all
[03:03] <Rene_S> there has got to be a way that Gnome and kde can co-exist on the same computer ....
[03:03] <Xenguy> mulux: OK so whatever is locking up X is not caused by gpm; are you certain you have the right driver for X ?
[03:03] <mulux> actually, when I come to think about it, the lockups maybe occur whenever windows are moved "out of the screen"... not sure though
[03:03] <anders_> Matt|: ok, thanks
[03:03] <mulux> Xenguy: well, it runs smooth for a while
[03:04] <Matt|> Rene_S, why not?
[03:04] <Xenguy> mulux: you may want to double-check that your driver for X is correct; other than that, I'm not sure what to suggest
[03:05] <mulux> Xenguy: well, it has detected my gfx-card, is that what you mean?
[03:05] <mulux> or what do you mean driver for X?
[03:05] <Xenguy> mulux: if you want to try reconfiguring your X, you can do -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree
[03:06] <Xenguy> mulux: at any time...
[03:06] <Xenguy> mulux: at one point you'll be asked to choose a driver for your video card -- you need to make sure you have the right one...
[03:07] <Xenguy> mulux: otherwise either X will not work at all, or else X will work, er, weirdly
[03:07] <Xenguy> mulux: anyhow, maybe others have ideas too, that just what comes to my mind ATM
[03:07] <mulux> hmm
[03:07] <Matt|> can he get into his system at all?
[03:08] <Matt|> if so, check out the log file
[03:08] <mulux> Xenguy: okay, thanks for the help
[03:08] <Xenguy> mulux: good luck
[03:08] <mulux> might need it :>
[03:08] <Matt|> mulux, have you looked at the log file?
[03:08] <mulux> yeah, no errors there
[03:08] <Matt|> ??
[03:08] <Matt|> none at all
[03:08] <Matt|> ?
[03:08] <mulux> you are reffering to /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?
[03:09] <Matt|> yep
[03:09] <mulux> yep, no errors there, just warnings
[03:09] <Matt|> grep -i EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log
[03:09] <Matt|> ok
[03:09] <Matt|> weird
[03:11] <l1quid> strange
[03:11] <l1quid> the livecd i had wouldn't boot, so tried another and that one worked
[03:11] <l1quid> cd wasn't scratched either, bad pressing maybe?
[03:11] <Xenguy> jdub: ahh, VNC :-)
[03:13] <Matt|> nite all
[03:14] <ben> hi
[03:14] <ben> i'm back
[03:14] <ben> and i still have a problem with CUPS
[03:16] <lev> i need help with k3b
[03:17] <lev> it says i need root privledges
[03:17] <lev> and tells me to run setup
[03:17] <lev> but when i do , that says i need privledges too.
[03:19] <zenwhen> right click it's icon and go to properties
[03:20] <zenwhen> add the word gksudo before the k3b command
[03:20] <zenwhen> it will ask you for your passs when you run it and you give it your pass
[03:20] <zenwhen> Then run setup.
[03:20] <zenwhen> then you are set
[03:21] <Xenguy> zenwhen: that sounds like something that should be included in a FAQ somewhere ;-)
[03:21] <zenwhen> Xenguy, It was easier to type than to hunt down the link again.
[03:21] <zenwhen> :/
[03:21] <Xenguy> zenwhen: heh, I hear ya
[03:21] <melazyboy> the package VLC is out of date
[03:22] <zenwhen> Mines not. :) (im naughty and use unstbale repos)
[03:22] <Xenguy> melazyboy: define "out of date" :-)
[03:23] <melazyboy> Xenguy: The version of the program is not consistant with the term 'bleeding edge' it lacks a newer version which includes numerous bug fixes
[03:24] <zenwhen> melazyboy, you could compile it from source :) :)
[03:24] <RuffianSoldier> hello melazyboy
[03:24] <zenwhen> If those fixes matter a lot.
[03:24] <melazyboy> yea i could =/
[03:24] <zenwhen> Shit storm's a brewin
[03:24] <ben> anyone?
[03:24] <ben> pleaaaaaaase
[03:24] <Xenguy> melazyboy: If I understand Ubuntu correctly it is possible for software to become outdated between the time of one release and the next - and this is normal.  Is this the case here by any chance?
[03:25] <melazyboy> One of them affects me, sound, cuts out in wmvs, i can wait just an fyi =D
[03:25] <zenwhen> wmv sucks
[03:26] <melazyboy> Xenguy: Not to start a fight, but there isn't an instance when that isn't the case, is any software outdated when first released?
[03:26] <Xenguy> BTW I've never heard of this VLC thing (everyone is always on about 'mplayer' which never seems to work for me) -- is VLC a real alternative to mplayer, or am I asking about apples and oranges?
[03:26] <melazyboy> Xenguy: I prefer it
[03:27] <Xenguy> melazyboy: I'll let that one go at this hour ;-)
[03:27] <Xenguy> melazyboy: hrm, OK, good to know
[03:27] <melazyboy> It preforms excelent, the options are where i want them, it has a very minimalistic look, without feture bloat like skinning support =D
[03:27] <ben> com'on
[03:27] <Xenguy> melazyboy: is it newish, or has it been around for some time?
[03:27] <AlohaWolf> how do I open an X based program over ssh in ubuntu?
[03:28] <melazyboy> and out of the box it supports everything except rms, and .rams
[03:28] <zenwhen> ben
[03:28] <zenwhen> what was your question
[03:28] <zenwhen> ?
[03:28] <wasabi> totem for life!
[03:29] <melazyboy> Xenguy: It's on slashdot alot, it's been around for over a year, it's lead by that 'dvd bob' or what ever his name is, he is using an open source codec he created in the player, rather than a wrapper around microsofts
[03:29] <zenwhen> I use mplayer for everything but DVD's. For DVD's I use VLC.
[03:29] <zenwhen> Because it supports menus.
[03:29] <ReptiX> OK pleas help me fix this error someone how do i get this thing to work someone has to be smart enogh.
[03:29] <ReptiX> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mcrypt_module_open() in /var/www/vhcs2/gui/include/vhcs-config.php on line 10
[03:29] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know what i need in order to stream windows media files online?
[03:29] <ReptiX> i need to get mcrypt and i do but it wont work no matter what I DO
[03:30] <Xenguy> melazyboy: man that sounds quite awesome - I'd like to give it a whirl then (is it still buggy at all?)
[03:31] <ReptiX> anyone?
[03:31] <ReptiX> BOO
[03:31] <melazyboy> Xenguy: The sound issue doesn't affect everyone, it just cuts out some times when playing WMVs but the seek on VLC seems to be 10x faster tha other programs i have used, (not to say i have given other programs the same chance i have given vlc) but its pretty well rounded
[03:32] <Xenguy> melazyboy: so just a bit glitchy around wmv's then -- sounds worth a try -- thanks for the tip
[03:33] <jcole> if i get "/usr/include/ft2build.h:56:38: freetype/config/ftheader.h: No such file or directory" and ftheader.h is located at "/usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/ftheader.h" would i put "make -I/usr/include/freetype2/freetype/config/" ?
[03:34] <ReptiX> ANYONE
[03:34] <ReptiX> that can fix this
[03:34] <ReptiX> I WILL GIVE THEM FREE HOSTING
[03:34] <ReptiX> 200MB
[03:34] <ben> zenwhen, ok, everytime i try to edit the samba settings for a printer, it refuses to accept the username and password
[03:34] <ReptiX> take the offer now
[03:34] <ReptiX> its via host41.com
[03:34] <ReptiX> i need to get the mcrypt to work with my php
[03:34] <ben> zenwhen, i type in the username and password and hit close
[03:34] <GotD0t> ReptiX: dude... stop screaming... if someone can can help you here then they will tell you... no need to bribe people
[03:34] <ReptiX> ok
[03:35] <ReptiX> lol
[03:35] <ReptiX> :)
[03:35] <ReptiX> sorry
[03:35] <ben> but then i open up the properties again, and the user and pass fields are empty
[03:35] <ReptiX> i really need it thoguh
[03:35] <GotD0t> ReptiX: you needing it isnt going to make one of us suddenly know your answer
[03:35] <GotD0t> ReptiX: also... you might want to try a channel thats actually for your specific app
[03:35] <BigNastyKid909> does anyone know what i need in order to stream windows media files online?
[03:37] <GotD0t> BigNastyKid909: to recieve a WMA stream? or to send one?
[03:37] <ReptiX> its in general
[03:37] <GotD0t> ReptiX: excuse me?
[03:38] <ReptiX> your excused
[03:38] <BigNastyKid909> GotDot: to recieve, see what im trying to do is to stream video files
[03:38] <ReptiX> anyways its in general
[03:38] <ReptiX> it is for php
[03:38] <ReptiX> and this os wont get it to work so i shoudl ask in  here
[03:38] <BigNastyKid909> GotDot: i can't stream windows media files using mozplugger..or i have it configured wrong..
[03:39] <GotD0t> ReptiX: well obviously nobody in here can help you... so why not be productive and look elsewhere
[03:39] <ReptiX> i am
[03:39] <ben> ....
[03:39] <ben> w/e
[03:41] <Matt|> how can i find out which package provides a particular command?
[03:41] <zenwhen> Oh
[03:41] <Riddell> Matt|: dpkg -S /usr/bin/foo
[03:41] <Matt|> thanks
[03:43] <Matt|> can someone try and reproduce this for me: when i open gnome-theme-manager and select a new theme, it doesn't change the current theme.
[03:43] <GotD0t> Matt|: doesn't happen for me
[03:44] <A1ex> has anybody tried to use NX on ubuntu yet?
[03:44] <Matt|> GotD0t, hoary?
[03:44] <AlohaWolf> am I missing something here.. im trying to ssh into my debian box, to open synaptic, and im not having any luck at all.
[03:44] <jdub> AlohaWolf: using ssh -X ?
[03:45] <AlohaWolf> yes.
[03:45] <GotD0t> Matt|: aye
[03:45] <Matt|> GotD0t, it changes the theme fine?
[03:45] <Matt|> wtf is wrong with my system i wonder
[03:45] <GotD0t> Matt|: aye
[03:45] <jdub> AlohaWolf: well, explain what's not actually working :)
[03:46] <AlohaWolf> (gedit:6509): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[03:46] <AlohaWolf> I think that about covers it
[03:47] <jdub> how're you running it? sudo synaptic?
[03:47] <AlohaWolf> im loged into the debian box as root.
[03:48] <jdub> it probably doesn't allow X forwarding
[03:48] <Dekkard> hmm
[03:48] <Matt|> GotD0t, have you got the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[03:48] <GotD0t> Matt|: i dont think so
[03:48] <Matt|> wonder what is wrong
[03:48] <AlohaWolf> jdub, any idea on how to fix that?
[03:48] <GotD0t> Matt|: no its not instaled
[03:48] <jdub> AlohaWolf: /etc/ssh
[03:49] <Matt|> AlohaWolf, edit your sshd config on the debian box
[03:49] <jdub> AlohaWolf: change the settings for sshd
[03:50] <Matt|> jdub, do you have any idea about why i can't change my theme? i'm not aware of having done something strange
[03:50] <jdub> you've probably still running your desktop after a number of upgrades?
[03:50] <jdub> killall gnome-settings-daemon
[03:50] <BigNastyKid909> jdub: what do u use to stream media files online?
[03:50] <Matt|> erm
[03:50] <Matt|> jdub, thanks I'll try but I rebooted not too long ago
[03:51] <jdub> BigNastyKid909: flumotion
[03:51] <AlohaWolf> jdub, thanks.. I forgot to do one thing.. restart X
[03:51] <BigNastyKid909> jdub: does it work streaming windows media files?
[03:51] <Matt|> jdub, omg mayhem ;)
[03:52] <AlohaWolf> erm.. ssh rather
[03:52] <meff> heya.. does the ubuntu installer support lvm2 volumes?
[03:52] <jdub> BigNastyKid909: there are proprietary plugins available from fluendo to do that
[03:52] <Matt|> jdub, thats done the trick thanks
[03:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> Doesnt ubuntu has the normal man files?
[03:52] <jdub> it does
[03:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> Why the hell it finds nothing if I do "man malloc"?
[03:53] <Matt|> maybe there is no man page
[03:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> Matt|: sure there is, it should be on the linux programmer manual
[03:54] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: probably because you don't have it installed, by default most of the dev stuff isn't installed
[03:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: hum... how can i get it?
[03:55] <meff> anyone know if the ubuntu installer supports lvm2?  i need to know if i need to repartition my drives..
[03:55] <pridkett> i'm looking that up right now actually, I forget the package name
[03:57] <lil_anthony> question anyone here ever used gngb?
[03:57] <pd> I am thinking of installing Linux on a Mac G5, anyyone here done that?
[03:57] <BigNastyKid909> jdub: ahhh no packages for ubuntu..did u compile urs?
[03:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> anyone know the name of the packagesw for linux programmer manual?
[03:58] <pridkett> i'm thinking it's glibc-doc
[03:58] <pridkett> i'm installing it right now
[03:58] <pridkett> we'll see
[03:59] <jdub> BigNastyKid909: i'm packaging it for ubuntu
[03:59] <ElCid3D> Good day all. Having just read about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct and the Community Council, I just wanted to pass along my highest regards to the Ubuntu team. Looks like you have addressed many of the social problems of Debian (and other distros) quite well.
[03:59] <melazyboy> Does anyone know of a half way decent program for retagging mp3s, needs complexity, and imo easytag isn't half way decent.
[03:59] <BigNastyKid909> jdub: nice when will it be out?
[03:59] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: well, that's a start, but not the page for malloc
[04:00] <TomT64> I used apt-get install libpng2, and apt-get install libpng3, and I still get the following error:
[04:00] <jdub> BigNastyKid909: it's already in the archive as source
[04:00] <TomT64> checking for png_create_read_struct in -lpng... no
[04:00] <TomT64> configure: WARNING: libpng not found.  PNG support will not be compiled.
[04:00] <BigNastyKid909> jdub: ok thanks
[04:00] <TomT64> any suggestions on how to fix this?
[04:00] <Seq> does anybody know if there is a way to have my system not try to set APM modes on my hard drive as it does not support it (and thus there is alot of errors about it in dmesg)?
[04:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: I just wan linux programmers manual, btw I need it
[04:01] <BigNastyKid909> jdub: oh one more thing which would you recommend: mozpluger or flumotion?
[04:01] <TomT64> no one?
[04:01] <BigNastyKid909> mozplugger*
[04:01] <pridkett> there is always devhelp.  That's a nice interface to most of the stuff...install that with libglib2.0-doc for the glib stuff
[04:02] <jdub> BigNastyKid909: they do totally different things
[04:02] <meff> TomT64 try installing the -dev pkgs
[04:02] <jdub> BigNastyKid909: one runs streaming clients in a browser, the other is a streaming server
[04:02] <_|Imanewbie|_> why do apt-get doesnt prompt for confirmation before installing stuff?
[04:03] <TomT64> ok I have two more questions
[04:03] <TomT64> how do I mount an ntfs partition for read (and perhaps write)
[04:04] <bronson> _|Imanewbie|_: it does when there are a lot of packages to get.
[04:04] <BigNastyKid909> jdub:oh ok..well i was trying to stream this video from gamespot.com and can't seem to do it. any ideas??
[04:04] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: hmmm...can't seem to find the package right now.  Sorry about that.
[04:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> bronson: oh thx
[04:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: I'm getting it
[04:04] <BigNastyKid909> jdub:installed mozplugger..and thought it would work..but..it doesn't
[04:04] <bronson> TomT64: Boot into Win NT.
[04:04] <punkass> well i upgraded to the k7 kernel and now i cant seem to get the nvidia driver to load
[04:04] <TomT64> bronson: haha
[04:04] <bronson> TomT64: NTFS support on Linux is barely working.
[04:04] <TomT64> bronson: I want to read some files and copy them over without using a third media
[04:05] <TomT64> I had Mandrake before and it worked fine
[04:05] <_|Imanewbie|_> Ive installed glibc but nothing happens
[04:05] <pridkett> TomT64: don't do write, you're asking for bad news
[04:05] <TomT64> ok what about read
[04:05] <punkass> reading from ntfs is fine..its just writing that is bad
[04:05] <bronson> Read usually works.
[04:05] <Seq> ntfs read is perfectly fine
[04:05] <TomT64> how do I set it up
[04:05] <pridkett> heres the line I have in my /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1       /mnt/c          ntfs    ro,uid=1000     0       0
[04:06] <TomT64> k
[04:06] <pridkett> where I'm uid 1000, so I can make sure I can read everything.
[04:06] <TomT64> is the uid part necessary
[04:06] <pridkett> I'm not sure offhand.  I just copied it from my fat drive, which is writable.
[04:06] <scoon> _|Imanewbie|_, glibc-doc
[04:06] <TomT64> how do I find out my uid
[04:06] <scoon> _|Imanewbie|_, use synaptic
[04:07] <scoon> TomT64, id <usrname>
[04:07] <bronson> TomT64: run "id"
[04:07] <pridkett> scoon: don't think it's in there
[04:07] <scoon> pridkett, I just did a search for it w/ synaptic
[04:07] <scoon> pridkett, and I found it.
[04:07] <scoon> pridkett, and I am only using warty repos
[04:07] <_|Imanewbie|_> scoon: ive isntalled it
[04:08] <TomT64> how do I view my partitions
[04:08] <pridkett> scoon: it's not in there, do a dpkg -L and tell me where you see a malloc.3.gz
[04:08] <bronson> TomT64: cfdisk /dev/hd**
[04:09] <bronson> TomT64: use "df -h" to tell you what /dev/ to use.
[04:09] <scoon> pridkett, I don't have it installed.  I just found it w/ synaptic.
[04:10] <pridkett> scoon: what did you tell synaptic to search for?
[04:10] <TomT64> bronson: it's not listed
[04:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> scoon: what should I look for?
[04:10] <TomT64> also cfdisk doesn't work
[04:10] <scoon> pridkett, searching name and description manual
[04:10] <scoon> pridkett, wait
[04:10] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: if you install glibc-doc it will provide an info page on the topic
[04:10] <scoon> pridkett, sorry: search for manual with name and description
[04:11] <bronson> TomT64: How doesn't cfdisk work?
[04:11] <TomT64> it keeps saying can't open, or something like that
[04:11] <bronson> TomT64: run it as root.
[04:11] <TomT64> using your line directly gives me the help text
[04:11] <TomT64> oh
[04:11] <pridkett> scoon: yes, that finds glibc-doc, however that package does NOT provide the file we're looking for
[04:12] <scoon> pridkett: in a pinch google can help: http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?malloc+3
[04:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: takea look on man pages dev
[04:13] <TomT64> is there any other way to show partitions.  I saw them all when installing
[04:13] <TomT64> Apparently my partition table is not quite right for cfdisk
[04:13] <jiyuu0> sudo fdisk -l
[04:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: man pages dev it is there Ive got it =-)
[04:14] <TomT64> jiy: thank you
[04:14] <jiyuu0> no prob
[04:14] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: good to know.  you'd tihnk it would be somewhere more intelligent.  manpages-dev seems to indicate tools to help develop man pages.
[04:14] <TomT64> that worked
[04:14] <TomT64> ok one last thing
[04:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: Indeed
[04:14] <TomT64> how do I edit GRUB's listing of what boots
[04:14] <jiyuu0> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:14] <pridkett> Is that worthy of a bug?  Or at least an RFE?
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> TomT65, look in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:15] <RuffianSoldier> if you need help, im your guy
[04:15] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: if you want a nifty program to read man pages from the console might I recommend pinfo.  :-)  It also handles info pages.
[04:15] <jiyuu0> TomT64, go to http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html
[04:16] <TomT64> hey this is useful info...
[04:16] <jiyuu0> :)
[04:16] <TomT64> my friend wasn't kidding when he said this distro had a user friendly user base
[04:17] <jiyuu0> humanity to others my friend
[04:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> TomT64: it's the whole.. vibe.. of ubuntu :)
[04:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> it's not just a distro, it's a philosphy
[04:17] <Hrdwr_BoB> even if you do typo the word
[04:19] <bronson> I just apt-get upgraded to hoary.  Now, trying to launch Galeon: "galeon: error while loading shared libraries: libnautilus.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[04:19] <bronson> Everything's up to date.
[04:19] <bronson> Should I file this on Bugzilla?
[04:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: What do you mean by nifty program? Sorry I'm not a native english speaker so I miss of some knowledge
[04:21] <TomT64> if I apt-get install firefox, will it get 1.0?
[04:21] <GotD0t> TomT64: are you in hoary?
[04:21] <TomT64> or whatever the package name is
[04:21] <TomT64> what is hoary
[04:21] <punkass> well i upgraded to the k7 kernel and now i cant seem to get the nvidia driver to load
[04:21] <punkass> any ideas?
[04:22] <punkass> i have installed the restricted k7 package
[04:22] <GotD0t> TomT64: its the development *unstable* release... you would know if you were using it... in warty you get .93
[04:22] <TomT64> oh
[04:23] <TomT64> well um, will I eventually be able to upgrade
[04:23] <GotD0t> TomT64: which is actually for the better... because from what i understand .93 is more stable than 1.0
[04:23] <TomT64> apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:24] <TomT64> oops
[04:24] <TomT64> hmm
[04:24] <TomT64> Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[04:24] <TomT64> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[04:24] <TomT64> is only available from another source
[04:24] <GotD0t> TomT64: i believe you need universe
[04:24] <TomT64> I have that I thought
[04:25] <subterrific> how do i enable dma in ubuntu? hdparam -d1 doesn't work
[04:26] <pridkett> _|Imanewbie|_: it's just a nice interface to read the man pages and info pages in.  Makes the output easier to read and search than regular "man" and "info"
[04:26] <melazyboy> subterrific: What error are you getting?
[04:26] <subterrific> pretty sure i saw an option for enabling it somewhere in /etc, but i can't find it anymore, even with grep
[04:26] <_|Imanewbie|_> pridkett: Hum... I will take a look anyways I'm happy with the old man and terminal
[04:26] <subterrific> melazyboy: HDIO_SET_DMA: Operation not permitted
[04:27] <melazyboy> subterrific: Your kernel lacks the right options
[04:27] <melazyboy> subterrific: Compile your own?
[04:27] <subterrific> no
[04:28] <melazyboy> is it enabled in your bios?
[04:28] <subterrific> yes
[04:28] <subterrific> it was working fine in gentoo
[04:29] <melazyboy> hrm i have had that error message before -- as it applies to me the solution was in the kernel
[04:30] <TomT64> where do I go to see how my x server is configged
[04:30] <melazyboy> TomT64: /etc/X11/XFree86*.conf
[04:30] <melazyboy> or if your using hoary /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:31] <subterrific> melazyboy: well greping the kernel config for DMA doesn't turn up anything useful
[04:31] <subterrific> melazyboy: everything is set it y
[04:32] <melazyboy> subterrific: If your using a stock kernel it should all be enabled.. you can always check it and make sure, you will need all of the /generic/ built in, or that was my case
[04:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> guys thx by the support I gtg cya \o>
[04:36] <melazyboy> subterrific: I have the Enahnce IDE/MFM/RLL, IDE/ATA-2 Disk support, Ide Taskfile IO, generic/default IDE chipset support, PCI IDE chipset support, Generic PCI bus-master DMA support, and Intel PIIxn chipset support,
[04:36] <bronson> Anyone know how to get Ubuntu to support my USB card reader.
[04:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> bronson: it should Just Work
[04:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> what's the problem
[04:37] <bronson> I assume gnome-volume-manager is a key component...
[04:37] <bronson> Hrdwr_BoB: I insert the CF card and nothing happens.
[04:37] <melazyboy> subterrific: For the Intel PIIxn Chipset support, find out what your using with an lspci -vv it should list
[04:37] <subterrific> melazyboy: that doesn't help me really since i'm using the ubuntu kernel all i have is the config file
[04:37] <subterrific> melazyboy: if you gave me the CONFIG_ names that might help.
[04:38] <melazyboy> subterrific: Well apt-get install kernel-tree, and make menu-config, either that or google for them, i g2g i can #flood my conf if you want them
[04:38] <melazyboy> it*
[04:38] <subterrific> melazyboy: no thanks
[04:38] <melazyboy> later all
[04:38] <bronson> From the boot log: "Attached scsi removable disk sdd at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 3"
[04:38] <bronson> This must be the card reader.
[04:44] <Rene_S> anybody else having problems with Totem-xine not working ?
[04:44] <deFrysk> Rene_S, be more specific
[04:45] <punkass> well i upgraded to the k7 kernel and now i cant seem to get the nvidia driver to load
[04:45] <punkass> any ideas?
[04:45] <Rene_S> Well it starts and crashes, cant be more specific, none of the buttons are active and it dies
[04:45] <TomT64> do I need to make some command in order to update GRUB
[04:47] <Rene_S> nm, must have been a glitch. it works now
[04:47] <AlohaWolf> punkass, you prolly need to install the nvidia driver for k7
[04:48] <bronson> TomT64: no, grub does all its magic at boot time.
[04:50] <decklin> well, you may need to update its menu.lst file (by running update-grub). but the kernel packages should do that for you anyway
[04:50] <Rene_S> I like when i install Knoppix sometimes, it thinks i have PCMCIA and Firewire, neither of which is true, good thing I dont get that with Ubuntu
[04:50] <DeanG> Do I need to do any preperations to swap video cards? (Radeon 7000 for GForce2... silly?)
[04:51] <deFrysk> hey screenshot is back in hoary :)
[04:51] <GotD0t> deFrysk: i noticed that as well
[04:51] <Rene_S> Ok, I need an opinion.  For Ubuntu should i go Reiser or Ext3 ?
[04:51] <deFrysk> thats nice
[04:52] <deFrysk> Rene_S, for absolute solidness use xt3
[04:52] <deFrysk> Ext3
[04:52] <GotD0t> what exactly is Reiser?
[04:52] <deFrysk> Reiser is a bit speedyer
[04:52] <farrioth> DeanG: You'll only need to change the driver.
[04:52] <TomT64> what package do I need for this:
[04:52] <TomT64> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lwx_gtk2_xrc-2.4
[04:52] <scoon> Rene_S, i have been using reiser and it is just dandy.  don't notice any diff from this or Ext3
[04:52] <TomT64> I alread have done sudo apt-get install wxgtk*
[04:53] <g0d> can totem play encrypted DVDs?
[04:53] <scoon> Rene_S, but whatever you do, steer clear of reiser4 cuz it has higer latency and boggs down more.
[04:53] <Rene_S> So, the short answer here is that it probably does not make much of a difference then
[04:53] <root__> hey guys..  I am interested in ubuntu for my wife..  is there screenshots somewhere?
[04:53] <farrioth> TomT64: wxgtk2, possibly? wxgtk may only be gtk1. I'm not sure, though
[04:53] <deFrysk> Rene_S, Ext3 is the default
[04:54] <scoon> Rene_S, between reiser or ext3, i'd go with reiser.
[04:54] <K-otiK> can totem play encrypted DVDs?
[04:54] <scoon> Rene_S, just not reiser4, which is probably not in the ubuntu installer.
[04:54] <Rene_S> I know, normally I use Reiser but today i got lazy and use ext3 All of wich caused me to think about which one i should use
[04:55] <boukensya> sorry didn't mean to log on as root..  so is there screenshots somewhere?
[04:55] <Rene_S> Xchat needs a spell checker hehe
[04:55] <punkass> AlohaWolf: I have nvidia-glx and the restricted K7 package installed
[04:55] <scoon> Rene_S, and what have you thought ?  could just take the path of least resis and keep what you got.
[04:55] <punkass> and it was working fine with the i386 kernel
[04:55] <bronson> K-otiK: check the FAQ.
[04:56] <Rene_S> Well i got to reading about the filesystems, but since I dont have a PHD in math I got confused
[04:56] <punkass> and when i try to 'modprobe nvidia'
[04:56] <punkass> i get: FATAL: Module nvidia not found
[04:56] <GotD0t> Rene_S: WHAT? you dont have a PhD in math?! thats pathetic...
[04:56] <bronson> Reiser3: much better at handling tons of dirs and small files.
[04:56] <TomT64> oboy
[04:56] <scoon> oh well.  good nite all.
[04:56] <deFrysk> punkass, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:56] <Rene_S> Yeah, I went to university for the beer and chicks
[04:56] <deFrysk> is what I used
[04:56] <TomT64> What do you call an American with a Ph.D in physics and math?
[04:56] <bronson> Ext3: fast when using a few large files.
[04:57] <bronson> Reiser4: avoid.
[04:57] <TomT64> Stupid American!
[04:57] <Rene_S> and somehow i got a Degree in English
[04:57] <RuffianSoldier> lol
[04:57] <TomT64> hahahahaa (I am an American btw)
[04:57] <punkass> deFrysk: already been there
[04:57] <boukensya> so is there no screenshots around?
[04:57] <Rene_S> Which as a photgrapher really comes in handy waiting for people to be ready to shoot
[04:57] <Anzze> anyone with the torrent? i need some seeds.. currently at 96%
[04:57] <deFrysk> punkass, linux-k7 works fine here :/
[04:58] <Anzze> or any way to resume .torrent from http source?
[04:58] <TomT64> sure
[04:58] <punkass> yeah thats why i found it wierd..its was fine for i386..but now its not...just going to try reinstalling all nvidia releated packages
[04:58] <TomT64> assuming the files are defintiely the same size
[04:59] <Anzze> what program do i use? to resume torrent source file with http source
[04:59] <TomT64> you start downloading torrent, stop, and replace the file in the download folder with the 96% file, then start again
[04:59] <TomT64> but if they aren't exactly the same, you've screwed yourself
[04:59] <Anzze> wat program do i use? does netransport fit the bill?
[05:00] <TomT64> any torrent program should work
[05:00] <Anzze> nono.. i meant
[05:00] <GotD0t> how do i stop apache completely... keep it from ever coming back
[05:00] <Anzze> currently my torrent is at 96% and the speed is 0kB/s i wish to change to a http source
[05:00] <Anzze> i was told.. "I dont think you can resume through http, torrent programs handle the download differently i think. Pieces of the total file are recieved and filled in as it goes."
[05:01] <GotD0t> Anzze: that sounds correct
[05:01] <punkass> hmmm
[05:01] <deFrysk> Anzze, torrents use another protocol for download
[05:01] <GotD0t> Anzze: if you want to run an experiment you can just copy the file and try it on the copied file
[05:01] <Anzze> alright.. i'll experiment with a copy
[05:01] <GotD0t> Anzze: cant hurt ;-)
[05:02] <deFrysk> Anzze, u can resume with a .torrent after beginning fom an http-source
[05:02] <deFrysk> I have done that
[05:02] <Anzze> nvm.. i think i could try torrent to edonkey source
[05:02] <GotD0t> Anzze: then theres that
[05:04] <punkass> the frusterating thing is that i cant even modprobe it...cuz it says its not there
[05:07] <Anzze> awee.. it's not working.. guess i gotta wait for some seeds to come by for warty-install-i386.iso
[05:07] <lupus_> can someone help me with regexp in python?
[05:07] <Anzze> anyone with the file wanna be the good guy and seed it on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/announce
[05:09] <GotD0t> you know what would be a clever app? something that takes in a partially downloaded file recieved via torrent and fills in the parts based on http souce
[05:09] <GotD0t> source*
[05:09] <Anzze> ya
[05:09] <Anzze> that would be a wonderful program
[05:09] <GotD0t> would have limited use... but still useful
[05:10] <Anzze> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[05:10] <Anzze> what's with warty-release-install-i386.iso and warty-install-i386.iso
[05:12] <asubedi> in my laptop, sound card is recognised and the driver is loaded but there is no sound
[05:13] <Anzze> anyone has the md5sum for warty-release-install-i386.iso
[05:13] <GotD0t> Anzze: should be on the site
[05:14] <ficusplanet> Anzze, a491903a2d2197651864dec3836d85e0
[05:14] <GotD0t> asubedi: i dont suppose its an external card?
[05:14] <Anzze> i was looking for it.. they have the sha1 hash for the .torrent file not the iso
[05:15] <dle> Does anyone know if anyone is offering KDE-3.3 packages for warty or more generally for Debian?
[05:15] <Anzze> found it
[05:15] <Anzze> thanks
[05:15] <asubedi> GotD0t: it's an onboard card
[05:15] <GotD0t> asubedi: hmm
[05:15] <bronson> asubedi: what type of laptop?
[05:16] <asubedi> dell inspiron 8100
[05:16] <asubedi> s/8100/8200
[05:16] <TomT64> I changed etc/fstab, how do I make that change permanent
[05:16] <bronson> asubedi: no experience with it.  But my T-23 has a hardware-controlled volume control, separate from the sound card.
[05:17] <GotD0t> TomT64: if its in fstab its permanent ;-)
[05:18] <asubedi> it doesn't have pcm* files in /dev/snd
[05:19] <Rene_S> argg this is frustrating, cant use gnome-menu if i have kdelibs installed.  I dont see what one has to do with the other
[05:19] <Riddell> dle: I have KDE 3.3 packages for hoary
[05:19] <Riddell> dle: KDE 3.3 is in debian
[05:20] <punkass> asubedi: on a dell D600 i had to disable the printer port because of some irq conflict, it was stopping my sound and wireless from working
[05:21] <bronson> OK, it looks like I need to set udev up to recognize my card reader.
[05:21] <bronson> Anyone played with udev in Ubuntu?
[05:22] <dle> Riddell: Thanks, I see that now.
[05:24] <asubedi> punkass: how do you disable printer port?
[05:25] <subterrific> any experts with hdparm? i'm having a hell of a time enabling DMA
[05:25] <subterrific> and i need to copy gigs of data
[05:25] <TomT64> how do you list all the partitions again?
[05:26] <Xenguy> fdisk -l
[05:26] <TomT64> cannot open /dev/hda
[05:26] <TomT64> cannot open /dev/hdb
[05:26] <TomT64> yet here I am
[05:26] <discharge> sudo fdisk -l ;] 
[05:26] <dle> Xenguy: shutup.
[05:26] <TomT64> oh heh
[05:26] <zekktheon> i have the old, warty ubuntu disc, from your first release, it was beta at the time. i am running it on one of my servers (know you shouldnt do that with beta, but i loved it) i was wondering wether or not i should get the new one and reload it or do the updates take care of the new kernel and everything?
[05:26] <Xenguy> dle: a pleasure to see you, as always ;-)
[05:27] <dle> :-D
[05:27] <Xenguy> dle: how's ubuntu working for you then?
[05:28] <Xenguy> dle: (or same as last time I asked?)
[05:28] <dle> Utter rubbish, can't stand it. -- I jest!!  It's going quite nicely.
[05:28] <Xenguy> heheh
[05:28] <eruin> how would I create a bash script to run import -w root year/month/date.png ?
[05:28] <dle> subterrific: What problems are you having with hdparm?
[05:29] <dle> eruin: I'd use the date command.
[05:29] <Xenguy> eruin: you want a background pic on your desktop, or ... ?
[05:29] <subterrific> dle: i get an error when i try to enable dma. there are 3 or 4 forum threads about it
[05:29] <punkass> anyone here running the 2.6.9 kernel from hoary with nvidia drivers?
[05:30] <dle> Oh.  I'm no expert, but I had used it.  i
[05:30] <subterrific> dle: one suggested solution was to add my ide controller driver to /etc/modules before and ide-* modules load
[05:30] <deFrysk> hoary has a 2.6.9 kernel ?
[05:30] <TomT64> someone gave me a line to put in fstab.  I dleeted it.  It was for mounting ntfs.  Anyone have that line?
[05:30] <punkass> yeah i just noticed it
[05:30] <deFrysk> oh
[05:30] <punkass> linux-image-2.6.9-1-k7
[05:31] <deFrysk> punkass, gonna try it later
[05:31] <lupus_> oeh
[05:31] <dle> subterrific: If it were something really obvious, I'd be the go-to guy for your problem. Sound like it isn;'t though.
[05:31] <lupus_> is it already in hoary?
[05:31] <punkass> yeah..there is no restricted modules labeled for 2.6.9 yet so thats why i was askin
[05:32] <deFrysk> its not in the linux-<arch> package yet so I'll wait I think
[05:32] <punkass> fabbione: you around?
[05:32] <punkass> ah
[05:32] <zekktheon> i have the old, warty ubuntu disc, from your first release, it was beta at the time. i am running it on one of my servers (know you shouldnt do that with beta, but i loved it) i was wondering wether or not i should get the new one and reload it or do the updates take care of the new kernel and everything?
[05:33] <deFrysk> zekktheon, updating to warty should work fine afaIk
[05:33] <Rene_S> Hmm there are no restricted modules for the 2.6.9 kernel
[05:33] <subterrific> dle: yeah, its not obvious :(
[05:34] <subterrific> dle: i'm looking bios settings and everything. for all my drives i've got DMA set to [Auto[ in the bios, which i'm guessing should work
[05:34] <zekktheon> thanks deFrysk
[05:34] <Rene_S> Oh well best to leave it right were it is
[05:34] <subterrific> dle: do you know if MDMA or UDMA is better?
[05:34] <zekktheon> just wanted to make sure cuz it is downtime weekend on the network so... thought it would eb a good time :D
[05:35] <deFrysk> zekktheon, mind the 'afaIk'
[05:36] <K-otiK> is there a reason why i can't log into root? (password is correct)
[05:36] <K-otiK> some kinda bug or somethign?
[05:36] <deFrysk> K-otiK, ubuntu use sudo
[05:36] <K-otiK> sudo as UID?
[05:37] <deFrysk> instead of root logins
[05:37] <zekktheon> well if i ever come down with problems, i will come back to you ;) j/k i havent had any yet, and just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing anything important
[05:37] <K-otiK> thanks
[05:37] <deFrysk> K-otiK, read the faq on main ubuntu page
[05:37] <deFrysk> its explained somwhere outthere
[05:38] <deFrysk> zekktheon, even updating to hoary is seemless
[05:38] <deFrysk> onmy box that is :/
[05:39] <zekktheon> :D well good to know
[05:39] <deFrysk> :D
[05:41] <Rene_S> anybody get this months wallpaper from Ubuntu ?
[05:42] <Rene_S> Oh, your loss hehe
[05:42] <deFrysk> lol
[05:42] <Rene_S> cute blonde this month
[05:42] <Rene_S> I worry about next month
[05:42] <Rene_S> I dont need a month of the skinny bald dude
[05:42] <deFrysk> :D
[05:43] <Rene_S> Rene_S, dont swing that way, he dont bat for the other team
[05:44] <nova> do they post that in a specific spot every month?
[05:44] <Rene_S> Yeah its called the Ubunt calendar you download it from synaptic
[05:44] <Rene_S> ubuntu
[05:44] <Rene_S> cant spell worth beans
[05:44] <nova> ah, haven't tried the calendar yet
[05:44] <nova> heh
[05:46] <Rene_S> I tried the Novell Linux distro this morning, its nicely appointed, too bad you cant use it too well with out paying for it
[05:46] <nova> that is exactly why I'm sticking with Ubuntu ;)
[05:46] <nova> nova = poor
[05:47] <grelli> I thought nova == no go
[05:47] <Rene_S> Oh and Progeny shows promise, too bad it cant find anything using apt-get for some reason
[05:47] <nova> lol
[05:47] <EpheMeroN> hey guys
[05:47] <Rene_S> Anaconda installer for debian is a nice idea
[05:47] <EpheMeroN> when i use the ubuntu live-cd none of the links to programs work
[05:48] <Hrdwr_BoB> no, it's not
[05:48] <EpheMeroN> like for firefox or xchat or gain or even the terminal
[05:48] <EpheMeroN> i've tried that on 3 computers
[05:48] <Rene_S> I like it, makes it easier to figure out, my wife installed it yesterday and she cant even figure out how to install Office on windows
[05:49] <jdub> Rene_S: the debian port of anaconda has about 26 screens last time i counted
[05:49] <jdub> Rene_S: compare that to an ubuntu install :)
[05:50] <Rene_S> My wife cant work the installer for debian or ubuntu, she doesnt understand what anything means hehe, no pictures
[05:50] <Rene_S> Personally, I dont care what the installer looks like only that it installs and works
[05:51] <Rene_S> Besides my wife works as a counsellor at a prison, not much of a computer related job
[05:51] <jdub> there are very few images of substance in the anaconda port
[05:52] <sls> may i jiv in?
[05:52] <Rene_S> Well she found it easier to use, dunno maybe its easier for women or something
[05:52] <Rene_S> I find it slow as all heck personally
[05:52] <sls> the best install for a workstation that i have seen is xandros and linspire
[05:53] <sls> installer
[05:53] <sls> sorry
[05:53] <eruin> people are intimidated by things they're unfamiliar with (like a cli-installer)
[05:53] <zekktheon> Ubuntu installer Women version, strong enough for a man but made for a woman
[05:53] <zekktheon> imagine the flowers!
[05:53] <holycow> lol
[05:53] <sls> 3 clicks!
[05:53] <holycow> thats funny
[05:53] <Xenguy> heh
[05:53] <sls> voila
[05:53] <sls> installed
[05:53] <eruin> sls: seen the osx installer?
[05:53] <Xenguy> sls: you can pay for that too ;-)
[05:54] <holycow> xandros?
[05:54] <holycow> you gotta be kidding me
[05:54] <sls> ok ... yes... it is probably even easier..
[05:54] <holycow> xandros just sucks in every way imaginable
[05:54] <holycow> including the installer
[05:54] <eruin> never tried it
[05:54] <nova> does anyone know how to change the desktop font to black instead of white?
[05:54] <eruin> I choose my distros carefully
[05:54] <sls> what is wring with 3 clicks?
[05:54] <sls> wrong
[05:54] <subterrific> Rene_S: i would bet it has more to do with not being able to use the mouse in the debian installer than pictures
[05:55] <zekktheon> anyone used the attempt at a anaconda port to gentoo.... horrable... locks up half way through and if you manage to make it through it X is gaurenteed to crash it :P
[05:55] <EpheMeroN> no one else has this live-cd issue?
[05:55] <Rene_S> The worst one i ever seen was for a Brazillian distro called Kalango, it runs and then doesnt install a desktop that works
[05:55] <sls> or how about (press enter to install) then done...
[05:55] <Xenguy> sls: it costs $$$, you realize that, yes?
[05:55] <zekktheon> LOL
[05:55] <zekktheon> i like your thinking sls
[05:56] <zekktheon> read my brain, and figure out what i want my computer name to be
[05:56] <sls> yes... i am not advocating xandros... just the installer
[05:56] <holycow> sls, heh
[05:56] <Rene_S> subterrific, yes she has horrible mouse skills, she gets po'ed at anything to mouse centric or wierd
[05:56] <holycow> why are you here again? sounds like you are looking for windows
[05:56] <zekktheon> lol
[05:56] <jdub> sls: that's pretty much what we're aiming for.
[05:56] <sls> ok
[05:56] <sls> need a tester you got one...
[05:57] <eruin> holycow: because windows' installer is decent? I think not.
[05:57] <eruin> horrible text-only partitioning tool, etc
[05:57] <holycow> your thinking win2k not xp installer eruin
[05:57] <eruin> holycow: no I am not.
[05:58] <eruin> holycow: in fact, win2k and winxp installers are mostly identical
[05:58] <Rene_S> that cause they cant figure out how to use anything else
[05:58] <holycow> no, as far as i can remember xp is graphical ... been a while
[05:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> holycow: not to start with
[05:59] <Amaranth> XP and 2k installers are the same, the XP one just puts the 2k info in a sidebar and displays ads
[05:59] <Hrdwr_BoB> same as 2k
[05:59] <holycow> *hmmmmm* k.
[05:59] <zekktheon> eruin is correct holycow :D i do at least one install of each a week
[05:59] <eruin> holycow: yeah, after you're "greeted" with the horrible text-only crap
[05:59] <Rene_S> They bailed on IBM and Mac prolly because the programmers there had skills
[05:59] <Amaranth> but the beginning (where you format and partition) is text
[05:59] <zekktheon> not exact
[05:59] <holycow> oh jesus, i'm sorry to hear that zekktheon
[05:59] <zekktheon> but very similar
[06:00] <zekktheon> i cant convince everyone at my office to convert, but i have control of their servers  MWA HA HA
[06:00] <holycow> well, perhaps not advocating with zealotry is a good thing, let them use win if they want
[06:01] <holycow> right now i'm seeing firefox and thunderbird spread like fire
[06:01] <eruin> zekktheon: you could secretly use ie6 to crawl the web for exploiting sites :)
[06:01] <zekktheon> but still getting a call for "my screen just turned blue with a bunch of numbers on it" that just always makes me smile
[06:01] <sls> guys... the win installer is not very graphical and it reboot a lot... the willnow be 100% graphical untill longhorn
[06:01] <holycow> i was just at a car dealership where its all windows weenies
[06:01] <sls> they will...
[06:01] <sls> sorry
[06:01] <holycow> and i started installing firefox/mozilla on their systems just for the 'hey check this out'
[06:01] <Gwildor> what is the command to launch rythmbox?
[06:01] <holycow> little by little they are opening their eyes, but they hate zealotry
[06:01] <eruin> sls: I can honestly say longhorn won't ever be on my computer even just to test it
[06:02] <eruin> Gwildor: "rhythmbox"
[06:02] <zekktheon> every time i put somthing new one one of my uh "underdwellings
[06:02] <eruin> note the extra h
[06:02] <zekktheon> they flip out
[06:02] <grelli> spelling counts
[06:02] <zekktheon> what is this mozilla crap... i hate people who wont try new things
[06:02] <Gwildor> eruin, ahhh, thnx, ive just been spelling it wrong
[06:02] <pd> anyone have ubuntu installed on a g5 mac?
[06:03] <Gwildor> eruin, rythmbox.....i missed a "H"
[06:03] <holycow> i just keep a perpetual murmur on... repeat linux, mozilla, firefox in conversation regularly, keep it on the radar, thats it.
[06:03] <eruin> Gwildor: correct ;)
[06:03] <holycow> zekktheon, at least they have heard the name mozilla
[06:03] <zekktheon> yea most of them
[06:03] <Rene_S> I just started handing out Ubuntu cd's
[06:03] <wig> Hey, ogra, here?
[06:03] <holycow> i've had that conversation the other day with someone ... i hate this new stuff, but then i showed her popup blocking and tabs
[06:03] <zekktheon> i still throw it on a computer or two a week just to see if they like it
[06:04] <holycow> *nod* thats all thats reasonable yeah
[06:04] <wig> Anyone have any ideas on how to get a lucent/agere modem working on linux? i've tried a lot of stuff, and have a file that has information on error messages I have gotten.
[06:04] <zekktheon> i have got 2 out of about 475 people to use it
[06:04] <eruin> I've handed out seven ubuntu cds
[06:04] <eruin> and all the recipients now run hoary :)
[06:04] <holycow> i don't i have handed out knoppix cds
[06:04] <Gwildor> im taking the display that they sent to the local computer shop this weekend
[06:05] <holycow> i don't get the ubunty live cd, the iso burns something with an exe in the root of the cd
[06:05] <Rene_S> I got a call yesterday from someone who really enjoyed the livecd
[06:05] <holycow> frankly its too disturbing a thought to bother even opening :)
[06:05] <Gwildor> holycow, the live cd has a OOoo, firefox, and thunderbird windows installer on it
[06:05] <eruin> I'd like somewhere to fetch hoary-snapshot livecd's ;)
[06:05] <alka_trash> holycow: on the cd jacket it says that you can boot it from windows or something like that
[06:05] <holycow> oh installer?
[06:05] <holycow> *ew*
[06:06] <Agrajag> ew?
[06:06] <holycow> thats just too weird
[06:06] <eruin> heh
[06:06] <eruin> the more firefox gets spread the better
[06:06] <wig> http://www.pastebin.com/125446
[06:06] <eruin> it's the most compliant browser out there
[06:06] <awtcmc> can anyone help with installing gnomerar?
[06:06] <holycow> yeah, people frankly just love the fox
[06:06] <eruin> and I farking hate having kids whine about my sites not rendering properly.
[06:06] <Rene_S> Not really, its a nice idea, give me a windows version of decent software and they will be intrigued to experiment
[06:07] <awtcmc> or does anyone have a mirror for gnomerar?
[06:07] <alka_trash> it says "This CD also contains Windows version for several of the applications included in ubuntu.
[06:07] <eruin> can't file-roller handle rar?
[06:07] <awtcmc> no, fileroller can't handle .rar files
[06:07] <holycow> yes it can
[06:07] <holycow> just install rar and unrar
[06:07] <Rene_S> Damn i lost my extract here menu item
[06:08] <alka_trash> awtcmc: holycow is right
[06:08] <subterrific> sweet, got cedega working on amd64
[06:08] <subterrific> hl2, yayayaya
[06:08] <holycow> and zip and unzip as well while your at it
[06:08] <awtcmc> i don't think rar and unrar are available through apt-get.  does anyone have a mirror to add to sources.list?
[06:08] <eruin> universe or multiverse
[06:08] <holycow> well it is on debian, perhaps you need universe?
[06:09] <Agrajag> he needs multiverse
[06:09] <Agrajag> rar is nonfree
[06:09] <holycow> ah!
[06:09] <awtcmc> my mistake rar is installed, but unrar is not available in universe or multiverse
[06:09] <Agrajag> yes it is
[06:10] <Agrajag> $ apt-cache search unrar
[06:10] <Agrajag> unrar-nonfree - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
[06:10] <awtcmc> well, i have both universe and multiverse in my repository, & synaptic can't find it
[06:10] <holycow> apt-get upate && apt-cache search unrar
[06:10] <awtcmc> so, do rar and unrar do the same thing?  or do i need both?
[06:11] <holycow> command line is your friend :)
[06:11] <holycow> awtcmc, yes they are different apps that do exactly what their names say
[06:11] <awtcmc> so, rar would only create rar archives, but i need unrar to unpack rar archives?
[06:11] <Rene_S> unrar to unpack your pron
[06:12] <holycow> correct, infact you can just install unrar if all you want is to unpack
[06:12] <Xenguy> hehe
[06:12] <Rene_S> rar to send it to a friend
[06:12] <Agrajag> rar x <file> should extract
[06:12] <holycow> lol what Rene_S said :)
[06:12] <wig> anyone have experience with lucent winmodems
[06:13] <awtcmc> tried to install unrar, get following error:  Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[06:13] <awtcmc> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[06:13] <awtcmc> is only available from another source
[06:13] <awtcmc> sorry for the broken posting
[06:14] <Agrajag> awtcmc: I told you, it's unrar-nonfree
 unrar-nonfree - Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)
[06:14] <wig> anyone have experience with lucent winmodems?
[06:14] <awtcmc> what are you saying agrajag (sorry, i'm a recent linux convert)
[06:15] <Rene_S> OOO 1.1.3 looks wierd for some reason
[06:15] <awtcmc> i know its not free as in open source, but its free to download
[06:15] <Agrajag> that's what nonfree means in debian
[06:15] <Agrajag> it's closed
[06:16] <awtcmc> i know this, but can anyone help me get it?  its a must for me to have, so i'm willing to have 1 non free package on my system
[06:16] <awtcmc> because rar won't unpack rar archives
[06:16] <Rene_S> Well the non-free police are not gonna break down your door if ya install it
[06:16] <Agrajag> awtcmc: yes it will
[06:17] <Agrajag> and rar is nonfree anyway
[06:17] <Agrajag> rar x <filename>
[06:17] <Agrajag> extracts with full finle paths
[06:17] <awtcmc> agrajag, but i want the option to also do this with the fileroller gui
[06:17] <awtcmc> which i can't do
[06:18] <zenwhen> if you install rar, cant you jsut right click the archive and extract?
[06:18] <zenwhen> Im sure I have before
[06:18] <awtcmc> i'm just confused (used to using winrar).  what is the difference between rar and unrar?
[06:19] <zenwhen> But I also dont download anything that comes in a rar.
[06:19] <zenwhen> If its worth having it is usually in a tarball. :)
[06:19] <Rene_S> Never seen Debbie does Hungary available in a tarball
[06:20] <holycow> awtcmc, Agrajag is right BUT he's giving you command line instructions
[06:20] <Agrajag> just get unrar-nonfree ferchrissakes
[06:20] <Agrajag> there's no reason not to unless your name is Richard M. Stallman
[06:20] <holycow> file roller uses unrar for uncompressiong, so install what he toldja
[06:20] <awtcmc> i feel like an idiot, i had been just clicking on the rar file & it wouldn't work.  right clicking on the rar archive and selecting extract will indeed work.  thanks guys.  THE FINAL frontier in my ONLY linux conversion
[06:20] <holycow> correct
[06:21] <zenwhen> oh wow right click
[06:21] <zenwhen> let me in on this
[06:22] <awtcmc> well zenwhen, try double clicking on a rar archive from fileroller, and you will get an error, so i assumed that fileroller couldn't handle rar archives
[06:22] <Rene_S> anyone know what package i need to get extract here to show up in my right click menu ?
[06:22] <zenwhen> I dont believe I ave ever opened fileroller.
[06:22] <zenwhen> have*
[06:24] <holycow> i love fileroller, its a lot simpler ui than the maze of popups that is the horror of winrar or winzip
[06:25] <zenwhen> I dont like a gui at all for such things
[06:25] <zenwhen> I just like right clocking archives
[06:25] <zenwhen> and extracting
[06:25] <Rene_S> I cant do that anymore for some reason
[06:26] <holycow> what, right click and extract?
[06:26] <Rene_S> yeah
[06:26] <Rene_S> i must have buggered something or forgot to install something
[06:27] <holycow> weird, reinstall fileroller?
[06:27] <Rene_S> i can try that
[06:29] <Rene_S> I see all kinds of assertion errors
[06:29] <mullemeck> how do I disable the beep from my pc-speaker? ie the sound caused by bad input...
[06:29] <SimplyRob> goodnight folks
[06:29] <holycow> apps/preferencese/sound
[06:29] <Rene_S> cut the wires leading to it
[06:30] <mullemeck> ahh, thanks!
[06:30] <mullemeck> Rene_S: that was my fallback solution ;)
[06:31] <Rene_S> hehe
[06:31] <Rene_S> I did that last week
[06:31] <holycow> oh shit this is ubuntue, preferences arent under apps ;)
[06:31] <mulux> lol, why not just unplug the connector? :p
[06:32] <Rene_S> makes me feel better to cut something
[06:32] <Rene_S> much more dramatic when i stomp through the house screaming for the wire cutters
[06:33] <holycow> or you just like the smoke caused as a result of cutting live wires?
[06:33] <Rene_S> removing connectors is so anti-climactic
[06:34] <Rene_S> Yeah, if i cant stick a screwdriver through a live motherboard once in a while I feel powerless and small somehow
[06:35] <Rene_S> I am waiting for the day my dogs get mad at me for something and lift there legs on it
[06:36] <Rene_S> its an open case so that should scare em good
[06:39] <Rene_S> brb
[08:39] <LucidVisions> roRy: allthough he has never poped in when i was there,,i did see andrew morton though
[08:40] <K-otiK> can someone tell me where amule puts downloaded items by default?
[08:40] <K-otiK> anyone?
[08:40] <crimsun> K-otiK: wherever you instruct it to, I presume.
[08:40] <roRy> im in south africa LucidVisions so got no idea about the movements of "linux" torvalds
[08:41] <LucidVisions> linus torvalds is the father of linux
[08:41] <LucidVisions> he made the kernel
[08:41] <Treenaks> well, he started making it :)
[08:41] <crimsun> (he knows who Linus is; his statement regards the whereabouts of Linus)
[08:41] <Treenaks> and he still decides what goes into  the final product
[08:41] <Treenaks> but he hasn't done it all by himself :)
[08:42] <LucidVisions> uhh,,pretty much,,the last 2 years of development have been patches and hacks by andrew morton and gang,,,hardly any "real work:
[08:42] <roRy> linus open sourced it so thousands of developers could help him finish his school project
[08:43] <roRy> who pays for the internet bandwidth in this community wifi network?
[08:43] <LucidVisions> naw,,,you guys have never heard of enterprise kernel scaling
[08:43] <Treenaks> LucidVisions: uh, I have
[08:43] <Keybuk> roRy: hmm?  Linus didn't write Linux for a school project
[08:43] <LucidVisions> roRy: just sec,,i got a link that explaines our network
[08:44] <Treenaks> LucidVisions: what do you think NUMA is?
[08:44] <LucidVisions> that was only at first,,
[08:44] <LucidVisions> yea
[08:44] <Keybuk> he wrote it because he had an i386 and nothing to do with it
[08:44] <roRy> lol
[08:44] <LucidVisions> im talking about recent history,,you are all going wayyyy back
[08:44] <LucidVisions> just sec
[08:46] <LucidVisions> roRy: http://www.personaltelco.net/static/index.html the pdx metro area is almost 120 square miles
[08:48] <jziade> Anyone know of a good gui for administering daemons?
[08:49] <roRy> doesnt say much about the internet connection
[08:49] <joshua> has anyone installed kde 3.3 on ubuntu?
[08:50] <LucidVisions> roRy: people and buisness here have fast T1's and T3's and such that you can connect to
[08:50] <LucidVisions> with 802.11b/g
[08:51] <roRy> ok
[08:51] <roRy> so they just kinda sponsor u a bit?
[08:52] <roRy> in south africa we have one telco that rips us off, the best you can get is 512kb ADSL for about $120 to telco and $50 to ISP
[08:53] <roRy> and its regulated too, you arent allowed to form your own connection (like wifi) over any public road
[08:53] <LucidVisions> Dam,,that sounds harsh,,,so everyone getts 1mb-5mbs down connections here with this,,its fast,,Yep,,every one who makes a node has a phat pipe,and then they open it up for anyone to connect to.
[08:53] <roRy> if you do they come confiscate your equipment and possibly fine you
[08:53] <SpOoKySpOoKy> Hi
[08:53] <roRy> oh and that adsl offering is capped at 3GB
[08:53] <roRy> after that you basically cant connect to anything except maybe irc
[08:53] <SpOoKySpOoKy> does anyone knows how to setup a SMC2802W wireless card
[08:53] <SpOoKySpOoKy> ?
[08:53] <SpOoKySpOoKy> ?
[08:54] <SpOoKySpOoKy> HI does anyone knows how to setup a SMC2802W wireless card???
[08:54] <pepsi__> ?
[08:54] <SpOoKySpOoKy> when I installed UBUNTUit seem like it recognizes the hifi card but isn't
[08:55] <LucidVisions> roRy: wow,,so if you try and share your connection wirelessly they will come down hard on you a? Wow,,so you guys in au cant set somthing like this up leagaly?
[08:55] <roRy> nope
[08:55] <joshua> ... anyone? kde 3.3?
[08:55] <roRy> no1 is going to share their internet connection anyway cos it costs so much
[08:55] <roRy> but we cant set up a wifi connection to our friend across the road or something
[08:55] <LucidVisions> ahh,,i see now,,that would make it hard.
[08:56] <LucidVisions> I had no idea it was that much $$ over there
[08:56] <roRy> like at my varsity they wanted to set up a wifi connection from one campus to the other
[08:56] <roRy> and they not allowed to
[08:56] <pepsi__> eh.. whats wrong with setting up a private network between 2 points?
[08:57] <roRy> if it crosses a public road here its illegal
[08:57] <roRy> so u can kinda set one up in your block or something
[08:57] <roRy> also we arent legally allowed to use VoIP
[08:57] <pepsi__> just run a cable
[08:57] <pepsi__> screw wireless :D
[08:58] <roRy> yeah, its easily possible pepsi_, but illegal
[08:58] <LucidVisions> roRy: check this out bro,,scrool down a lil bit,,i found some wifi like we have,,but its for au..
[08:58] <LucidVisions> http://wiki.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/WirelessCommunities
[08:59] <SpOoKySpOoKy> does anyone knows how to setup a SMC2802W wireless card???
[08:59] <roRy> how does that help me?
[08:59] <LucidVisions> do to the Australia, New Zealand & Pacific section,,we do homework for the world here in portland,lol can you connect to any of thoes networks,,?
[08:59] <SpOoKySpOoKy> does anyone knows how to setup a SMC2802W wireless card??? anyone can help me with this?
[09:00] <nevyn> ~tell SpOoKySpOoKy about repeat
[09:00] <roRy> no bru... they on diff continents, my cantenna never gonna be that good :p
[09:00] <LucidVisions> arnt you in austrailia?
[09:00] <Agrajag> he said he's in south africa
[09:01] <roRy> http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/world.htm
[09:01] <LucidVisions> ah shitty,,,i better lay off my " ",,hehe
[09:01] <roRy> check there
[09:01] <LucidVisions> woah,,sorry bro
[09:01] <LucidVisions> hehe
[09:01] <roRy> hehehe
[09:01] <roRy> http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/af.htm - SA at bottom of that
[09:02] <SpOoKySpOoKy> what's up ? <nevyn> ~tell SpOoKySpOoKy about repeat
[09:02] <roRy> http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/za.htm - Cape Town (where i am) at bottom of that
[09:03] <nevyn> meh used to #debian.
[09:03] <LucidVisions> roRy: hehe,,i know dude,,im just really faded at the moment,,but i had good intentions,,
[09:03] <Treenaks> LucidVisions: please use single punctuation, not double
[09:03] <Treenaks> that's really annoying :)
[09:03] <SpOoKySpOoKy> php rulez
[09:04] <LucidVisions> are ya way at the bottom of sa?
[09:04] <roRy> yep
[09:04] <SpOoKySpOoKy> perl s**ks
[09:04] <crimsun> now now.
[09:05] <LucidVisions> Treenaks: just to get you riled up
[09:05] <roRy> we supposed to be getting a new telco sometime
[09:05] <roRy> cos as the moment we just getting assraped
[09:05] <Treenaks> SpOoKySpOoKy: Perl has its uses. Don't start flamewars here.
[09:05] <roRy> even dialup gets expensive
[09:05] <roRy> we pay for local calls
[09:06] <SpOoKySpOoKy> Treenaks I'm tryng just to get your attention
[09:06] <roRy> about $.10 a unit which is 3 minutes
[09:06] <LucidVisions> woah,i never expected it to be like that,Thats really harsh.
[09:06] <SpOoKySpOoKy> and i dis, but when I just ask a question nobody answer
[09:06] <pepsi__> nobody knows the answer dude
[09:07] <LucidVisions> Is the infastructure old down there?
[09:07] <pepsi__> google it
[09:07] <SpOoKySpOoKy> when I repeated nevyn start <nevyn> ~tell SpOoKySpOoKy about repeat
[09:07] <pepsi__> yur dumb
[09:07] <LucidVisions> or just greedy tel Co's
[09:07] <SpOoKySpOoKy> does anyone knows how to setup a SMC2802W wireless card? anyone has a how to or something?
[09:07] <roRy> LucidVisions, very greedy telco
[09:07] <roRy> they had a profit last year of billions
[09:07] <SpOoKySpOoKy> maybe but I'm not affraid to ask
[09:07] <LucidVisions> roRy: ahh,,
[09:08] <nevyn> Treenaks: I just did a final exam that involved perl.. perl is pure evil.
[09:08] <SpOoKySpOoKy> I want to learn
[09:08] <nevyn> Treenaks: I can write it. but it's not a good thing $_ is wrong.
[09:08] <pepsi__> so learn it, then inform us of how its done, cause obviously we dont know
[09:08] <roRy> we should get another telco soon, but it might just end up that they collude
[09:08] <Treenaks> nevyn: I prorgam perl for a living :)
[09:08] <SpOoKySpOoKy> and if nobody helps at least can answer yes or no
[09:08] <nevyn> no new programmer should ever see anything as evil as $_\
[09:08] <roRy> and the current telco is partly government owned so thats why its regulated we have to use them
[09:08] <Treenaks> nevyn: yes! they should! :)
[09:09] <crimsun> it could be worse: it could be tcl.
[09:09] <crimsun> j/k
[09:09] <roRy> wtf is $_\ ?
[09:09] <nevyn> Treenaks: the teachers program wrote a flat file database and then used a forloop with hard coded length to print a record.
[09:09] <nevyn> Treenaks: it was WRONG...
[09:09] <Treenaks> nevyn: in Perl? That's plain evil.. yes..
[09:09] <LucidVisions> roRy: true indeed.I hope things improve
[09:09] <nevyn> Treenaks: see.
[09:09] <roRy> we have 3 cellular networks
[09:10] <roRy> but they also have to use the telco to route calls
[09:10] <Treenaks> nevyn: GDBM::File exists for a reason :)
[09:10] <roRy> so they also expensive
[09:10] <paperflake> anyone got a good tutorial on installiing printer, the printer is in a w2k network ?
[09:10] <roRy> about $.50 a minute
[09:10] <LucidVisions> wow,,
[09:10] <SpOoKySpOoKy> hey dudes does anyone knows about SMC2808W installed in any distro? specially ubuntu?
[09:11] <roRy> we getting 3G like this month or something
[09:11] <roRy> and the rule about VoIP and wifi is gonna be abolished in march i think
[09:11] <roRy> so things looking up, just very slowly
[09:11] <nevyn> while(<file>) { if(/$keyword/) { print $_; for ($i=0;$i<5;$i++) { $line = <file>; print $line; } } }
[09:11] <nevyn> Treenaks: evil.
[09:12] <LucidVisions> That sounds really good,sounds like the situation will improve for ya
[09:12] <roRy> lol nevyn, looks good to me
[09:12] <roRy> nice and compact :p
[09:12] <roRy> but then i freelance doing perl since i was 13
[09:14] <Nexinarus> woo planning on installing Ubuntu tomorrow
[09:14] <crimsun> good deal.
[09:14] <nevyn> Treenaks: see?
[09:15] <paperflake> roRy, i see we sit in the same boat heh ?, i'm from namibia, just waiting on the thing to happen in SA and then seen it comes to nam :)
[09:15] <roRy> cool paperflake
[09:15] <roRy> u also have telkom there?
[09:16] <SpOoKySpOoKy> THANX for nothing and for your kindness (pepsi_ dumb sucker)
[09:16] <paperflake> yeah, same prob here too, thoug we not as lucky as to have asdl yet :(
[09:16] <warty> Hi everybody!
[09:16] <roRy> hehe, ok
[09:16] <roRy> im on adsl at moment at work
[09:17] <roRy> basically $2000/year for adsl
[09:17] <paperflake> i am on 128k digicon at work, but that is it
[09:18] <roRy> i got 64k isdn at home
[09:18] <roRy> tis not bad compared to dialup
[09:18] <roRy> and doesnt have a cap like adsl
[09:18] <nevyn> here they're time charged.
[09:19] <roRy> nah here too for isdn, cos u gotta connect and u charged for call
[09:19] <pepsi__> hi warty
[09:19] <pepsi__> i dumped you yesterday
[09:19] <pepsi__> for a hoar
[09:19] <roRy> but they have a thing where u pay extra per month but then your off peak calls are capped at R8
[09:19] <roRy> so i connect after hours all the time
[09:20] <Snipes> could someone tell me how to reinstall grub please?
[09:21] <roRy> apt-get install grub
[09:21] <roRy> ?
[09:21] <crimsun> sudo grub-install /some/hd
[09:21] <Aidan__> Anyone want to help me?
[09:21] <crimsun> man 8 grub-install
[09:21] <Aidan__> I just got the Ubunto cds
[09:22] <Aidan__> I am using the live version
[09:22] <Agrajag> ubunto more like ubuntu
[09:22] <Aidan__> is 1024x something
[09:22] <Aidan__> sorry
[09:22] <Aidan__> the max resoloution?
[09:22] <Snipes> it is already installed but it doesnt boot anymore because i installed a windows os on a different partition and it ate it :)
[09:22] <roRy> heh
[09:22] <Aidan__> So is it?
[09:23] <crimsun> Aidan__: depending on the driver and your specific graphics hardware, it may be; it usually is _not_
[09:23] <Snipes> would crimson's reply fix that do you think?
[09:24] <LucidVisions> roRy: i found a blog about wireless networking in South Africa, i found nodes for Pretoria and Johannesburg are ya close to either of thoes cities
[09:24] <Aidan__> crimsun, For me i cant go any higher, would i have to install to go higher?
[09:24] <roRy> nope
[09:24] <roRy> about 1000miles
[09:24] <roRy> link?
[09:24] <Aidan__> In Windows XP i can go upto 1280x1024
[09:24] <crimsun> Snipes: read the man page; it's quite helpful
[09:24] <Snipes> thank you
[09:24] <LucidVisions> http://www.nodedb.com/africa/za/johannesburg/? and http://www.nodedb.com/africa/za/pretoria/?
[09:25] <crimsun> Aidan__: what graphics chipset?
[09:25] <LucidVisions> oh well,,you can check out the links anyhow,,that would be cool though if you were.
[09:26] <Aidan__> crimsun, You mean my graphics card?
[09:26] <roRy> hmmm, my gf lives in one of the suburbs mentioned there in johannesburg
[09:26] <LucidVisions> cool,,Johannesburg does look to have a bunch of nodes a
[09:27] <roRy> its only possibly interested though....
[09:27] <Aidan__> I have a Geforce 4 MX 4000
[09:27] <roRy> and no internet
[09:27] <roRy> johnannesburg is massive though, those are NOwhere near enough nodes
[09:28] <LucidVisions> true,,its a huge city a
[09:28] <roRy> i found some in cape town
[09:28] <roRy> some close to me too
[09:29] <crimsun> Aidan__: is it using vesa or nv?
[09:29] <Nexinarus> also might your monitor not be installed properly?
[09:29] <LucidVisions> very cool,,is out definition of a node the same,,here a wifi node is an acess point that is open for connections,and they give internet acess? im just making sure,
[09:29] <Aidan__> crimsun, Can we talk in PM?
[09:29] <crimsun> sec.
[09:30] <LucidVisions> I hope you can connect to a node,that would free some $$ for ya
[09:31] <roRy> there are 3 nodes in my suburb run by same person
[09:31] <roRy> doesnt say where tho
[09:32] <LucidVisions> My best cantenna was hitting about 2 miles away,,if you want the link it only cost me $5 usd to make.
[09:32] <roRy> think it might be a private complex or something
[09:32] <LucidVisions> ahh,,
[09:32] <roRy> fernwood community
[09:32] <roRy> "Node status:  	Waiting for nearby activity"
[09:33] <Elwood> what about order cd?
[09:33] <Elwood> give me a link please
[09:33] <MyK-e> hi
[09:33] <roRy> oh well, will have to get a laptop and cantenna and go wardriving :p
[09:34] <roRy> and get car too i guess...
[09:34] <paperflake> lmp
[09:34] <LucidVisions> yep,thats fun stuffs indeed.
[09:35] <LucidVisions> and you have much better weather
[09:35] <roRy> yeah, its mostly sunny here
[09:35] <LucidVisions> that sounds nice indeed
[09:35] <roRy> and never really storms, hail, lightning, etc
[09:36] <roRy> no hurricanes and earthquakes and stuff either
[09:36] <MyK-e> where is it roRy?
[09:37] <paperflake> hehe, but the sun hurts
[09:37] <roRy> [10:03:11]  <roRy> http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/africa/za.htm - Cape Town (where i am) at bottom of that
[09:37] <roRy> lol
[09:37] <MyK-e> :)
[09:37] <roRy> im a nerd i dont go in sun anyway :p
[09:38] <MyK-e> thanks
[09:38] <paperflake> i guess not that bad in CT but in namibia, u stay clear of the sun around noon :)
[09:38] <LucidVisions> we never really have much sun,hehe,and our volcano is about to explode again
[09:38] <roRy> ouch
[09:38] <MyK-e> roRy how old are u?
[09:38] <paperflake> oooh
[09:38] <roRy> no volcanos here either :p
[09:38] <roRy> MyK-e, 20
[09:52] <LucidVisions> roRy: im drifting off its 2am here, but here is a link to the ultimate cheap cantenna http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/PringlesCantenna ,Seattle is 3 hours north of me,they also have a large community wifi network goin on so its a popular cantenna desighn
[09:53] <LucidVisions> have fun all,
[09:56] <Nexinarus> ok Ubuntu linux talks about components (main, restricted, universe, and multiverse). Though where can i see the list of components (without having Ubuntu installed yet) ?
[09:56] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: you just listed them all :)
[09:57] <Nexinarus> sorry, where is the list of applications under these components?
[09:57] <Nexinarus> im trying to see if there are any cd burning software,
[09:58] <Nexinarus> (new to linux, scaned my cd burner will be rendered useless)
[09:58] <Nexinarus> scared*
[09:58] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: what kind of CDs do you want to burn
[09:58] <Nexinarus> files like a data cd with Nero in windows,
[09:58] <Nexinarus> backup documents,
[09:59] <Nexinarus> backup files readable with windows machines, etc
[09:59] <jessta> cdrecord?
[09:59] <Nexinarus> or possibly audio cd's
[09:59] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: files can be done easily in the GUI
[10:00] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: using the built-in "burn to CD" option
[10:00] <Treenaks> same with .iso images
[10:00] <Nexinarus> cool. so i can select a file and say "burn to cd" ?
[10:00] <Nexinarus> or select folder,
[10:00] <Treenaks> audio CDs are harder, for now you can use K3B (a KDE CD burning program). In the next version you'll be able to burn audio CDs from the music program
[10:01] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: yes, or actually, you go to the "Places" menu, open the CD burner window from there
[10:01] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: and drag/drop the files to the burner window
[10:01] <Nexinarus> thanks, that reassures me :)
[10:01] <Nexinarus> hope my cd burner hardware is detected properly heeh
[10:01] <Treenaks> 99% of it is..
[10:01] <Treenaks> it even detected my USB CD burner correctly :)
[10:01] <Nexinarus> laptop cd/dvd combo drive
[10:01] <Nexinarus> sweet
[10:02] <Treenaks> that will work just fine
[10:03] <Nexinarus> the last version of linux i tried couldnt let me plug my USB mouse in while the pc was on. Is this similar with Ubuntu?
[10:03] <Nexinarus> sorry about noob questions, much appreciated though.
[10:03] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: no, everything should be hot-pluggable
[10:03] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: at least, as long as the hardware supports it :)
[10:04] <MobyTurbo> Nexinarus, the previous version of Linux you used didn't have hotplug or usbmgr installed. Ubuntu includes hotplug in the default install.
[10:06] <Nexinarus> all i need to find now is a divx encoder heh :p
[10:06] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: you can use ffmpeg, transcode and/or gstreamer for that
[10:06] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: and you probably want to use OGG/Theora + Vorbis (they're patent-free video and audio codecs)
[10:07] <Nexinarus> cool, i've always had nightmares with Vorbis though. Man that is a hugely complicated program,
[10:08] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: there's sound juicer now.. that automates CD ripping for you
[10:09] <Agrajag> sound juicer sucks
[10:09] <Agrajag> you can't even choose a quality level
[10:09] <Treenaks> Agrajag: it works fine
[10:09] <Agrajag> no it doesn't.
[10:09] <Agrajag> I don't want whatever settings the authors decided on.
[10:09] <Treenaks> Agrajag: well, file a bug, submit a patch
[10:09] <Treenaks> Agrajag: it's Free Software
[10:09] <Agrajag> Treenaks: I don't program.
[10:09] <jemfinch> What does it take to get a package into Ubuntu?
[10:10] <Treenaks> Agrajag: pay someone to do it.. if you don't like it, fix it..
[10:10] <Treenaks> I mean.. don't whine about it on irc
[10:10] <Agrajag> besides, it's not a bug, it's a lack of a feature.
[10:10] <Agrajag> I'm not whining. I'm saying that;s it's woefully incomplete
[10:10] <Agrajag> grip works better
[10:11] <Treenaks> Agrajag: filed an 'enhancement' bug yet then?
[10:11] <yann_> hi :)
[10:11] <Agrajag> no, because I don't use the software.
[10:12] <Agrajag> besides, it's not like they don't know it's missing, there's a spot for it in preferences that says "coming soon"
[10:12] <verden01> Hi
[10:12] <Treenaks> Agrajag: ah ok, so you're just waiting for Hoary :)
[10:12] <Agrajag> no, I plan on keeping grip installed
[10:13] <verden01> I have kde installed and aolso k3b, but i need cdrdao so k3b wil run and it doesn't appear to be in Synaptic's packages so does anyone have any idea where i could download it from?
[10:14] <Agrajag> verden01: did you enable the universe and multiverse repositories?
[10:14] <verden01> yes i think
[10:14] <Agrajag> then it should be there
[10:14] <Agrajag> make sure
[10:14] <verden01> thats how i downloaded kde
[10:14] <Agrajag> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[10:14] <Agrajag> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe multiverse
[10:14] <yann_> how can I search available packages with apt-get? I would like to get the list of all packages containing *apache*, how does it work? didn't find anything in man apt-get :/
[10:14] <Agrajag> kde is in universe, cdrdao may be in multiverse, I'm not sure
[10:14] <verden01> ok if not i'll uncomment it
[10:14] <Treenaks> apt-cache search apache
[10:14] <MobyTurbo> yann_, "apt-cache search" or use synaptic
[10:15] <yann_> apt-cache, thx :)
[10:15] <Agrajag> verden01: $ apt-cache search cdrdao
[10:15] <Agrajag> cdrdao - Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs
[10:15] <Agrajag> it's in there somewhere
[10:16] <yann_> isn't there any apache package already containing php? :/
[10:18] <Treenaks> yann_: there is libapache-mod-php (for apache 1.x) and libapache2-mod-php (for apache 2.x)
[10:18] <Treenaks> yann_: apache2 is easier, I heard
[10:20] <Nexinarus> ah does apache come on the install cd?
[10:25] <aidehua> Oh dear.  I just tried to put my Warty Warthog'd iBook G3 to sleep, which worked.  But it never woke up :/
[10:25] <nevyn> umm this is a known issue.
[10:26] <aidehua> I'm such a typical user!  I completely gloss over the fact that *everything* worked first time post install, including X server etc....
[10:26] <aidehua> ...and I just focus on the b0rken stuff :)
[10:26] <nevyn> I don't know if apple ever gave ben the specs.
[10:26] <wepafo> does the latest stable ubuntu have the windows dual-boot problem?
[10:26] <aidehua> Those new-fangled G4 iBooks have sleep issues, but I've been sleeping fine with sarge / 2.6.7.  I guess I'll find a hack around it :)
[10:27] <nevyn> wepafo: windows dual boot?
[10:27] <wepafo> nevyn http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
[10:28] <wepafo> and http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,10472664~mode=flat
[10:29] <Nexinarus> heh also who decided to put the cleavage showing picture on every ubuntu cd package, such a good marketing tool,
[10:30] <Kamion> Nexinarus: apache2 is on the CD, yes
[10:31] <paperflake> aidehua, check on the mailing list , u can also get it via the forums, there is a tread about G3 sleep thingie :)
[10:31] <paperflake> aidehua, a recent one like today, shouldnt be diff to find
[10:32] <Kamion> that's all G4 stuff
[10:32] <Kamion> iBook G3s should've been fine in warty, I thought
[10:32] <Kamion> might want to mail ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com about that, see what the various other iBook G3 owners say
[10:33] <paperflake> Kamion, there is a recent thread onit, on that mail list :)
[10:33] <bob2> david ran it on his g3 ibook
[10:34] <bob2> up until maybe a month ago
[10:34] <Kamion> is jdub's ibook g3 or g4?
[10:34] <Kamion> g3, I thought
[10:35] <jdub> g3
[10:35] <Kamion> paperflake: ah yes, hadn't got that far
[10:35] <Treenaks> is anyone in Mataro already?
[10:36] <bob2> Treenaks: no
[10:37] <Treenaks> bob2: the entire city is deserted?!!! :P
[10:37] <bob2> hah
[10:38] <Kamion> wepafo: afraid so, we believe
[10:38] <Kamion> nevyn: Ben has the specs for current ATI cards now; there's a patch out for testing on debian-powerpc@
[10:39] <Kamion> wepafo: current hoary installer *may* be fixed, but almost certainly has other issues; I haven't tested it since I uploaded parted 1.6.19 yesterday
[10:41] <verden01> i found a fix for cdrdao at this link  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-504.html
[10:41] <wepafo> Kamion: aw ok :(
[10:42] <Kamion> wepafo: doesn't hit all Windows users though, not by a long shot
[10:42] <Kamion> wepafo: make sure LBA's enabled in your BIOS and you'll probably be better off
[10:43] <wepafo> erm ok. i'll just stick to cygwin until this is totally fixed
[10:44] <Nexinarus> heh ah, a down side my cellphone software will not work with linux, hmm
[10:45] <Nexinarus> infrared cellphone -> laptop, definately cant trust Nokia to support linux
[10:45] <Destructo> hello is anyne awake for a quick question
[10:46] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, sure, anything for another metconnect user.
[10:46] <Destructo> ha friends forever
[10:46] <Destructo> did you know that yu could do any login and pw
[10:46] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: what kind of cell phone do you have?
[10:47] <Nexinarus> Nokia 6225,
[10:47] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, sure, but who would want to fake that?
[10:47] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: I can use GPRS fine with my 3650..
[10:47] <Nexinarus> yeah?
[10:47] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: does your phone have bluetooth or a cable?
[10:47] <Treenaks> (or both?)
[10:47] <Nexinarus> infrared (version down from bluetooth). THoigh it supports usb
[10:48] <Nexinarus> though*
[10:48] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: USB is fine -- it'll appear as a normal serial port there
[10:48] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: and you can just use the standard PPP configuration program to use GPRS
[10:48] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: (or "normal" GSM data calls)
[10:48] <Destructo> MobyTurbo i have slackware 10.0 running on my new hp pavilion laptop zv5240 (no im not bragging) and it runs great , anyways im at my friends house atm with dialup, but more importantly, she has an hp[ pavcilion desktop ; im curious about ubunto , what kind of package ssytem does it have ...?
[10:49] <aidehua> paperflake: thanks for the tip.  Bad me for not finding the ubuntu mailing lists :)
[10:49] <Nexinarus> tho i need to buy the usb cord,
[10:49] <subterrific> Destructo: it is debian based
[10:49] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, Ubuntu is Debian based. Uses debs and apt-get
[10:49] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: infrared works, too.. if you install some packages (and your PC infrared port is supported)
[10:50] <Destructo> sounds interesting , how is it with wirelss
[10:50] <ryan> anyone running hoary and have a huge home dir icon on their nautilus desktop that they can't shrink :)
[10:50] <Nexinarus> though even on windows the only way i could infrared to and from my cellphone was by installing nokias software heh,
[10:50] <ryan> i just want to see if i'm the only one
[10:50] <Treenaks> ryan: running hoary, no big icons :)
[10:50] <Destructo> damn laptop person
[10:50] <Destructo> left
[10:51] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: it should work fine
[10:52] <Destructo> or anyone familiar with ubuntu and laptops
[10:52] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, I noticed the "restricted" repository included a binary driver for a certain kind of wireless equipment. I don't know if that would help.
[10:52] <ryan> Treenaks: i guess that means its fixable somehow ;)
[10:52] <Nexinarus> i may be tomorrow, installing Ubunto on this laptop once ive backed everything up
[10:52] <Kamion> MobyTurbo: (should be installed by default)
[10:52] <Nexinarus> ubuntu*
[10:53] <ryan> oh
[10:53] <ryan> and it only does it when viewing icons at 75%
[10:53] <Destructo> well with my laptop i have both linuxant and ndiswrapper , and they both work well, and fairly easy to get going; thank god. if i can only find a program that gives me 'available networks' like windows. but in agui
[10:55] <Destructo> MobyTurbo how did you learn about metconnect ?
[10:55] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, I noticed that ndiswrapper-utils is in Ubuntu's repsoitory
[10:55] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: http://tuxmobil.org/phones_survey_nokia.html (most howtos are about connecting cables and loading drivers etc.. ubuntu should be doing that for you)
[10:55] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, I don't remember. A friend told me I think.
[10:56] <Destructo> so youlive in nyc , col
[10:56] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, either that or a "free ISP" listing site.
[10:56] <Destructo> ha. so i guess you know about a free ******@nyc.com
[10:56] <MobyTurbo> nyc.com?
[10:56] <sudoman> hello. would anyone like to tell me why they think that ubuntu is better than ydl or whether it is not yet as good?
[10:57] <Destructo> MobyTurbo yeah free email
[10:57] <Destructo> who wants a gmail account ..?
[10:58] <Destructo> i ahve tons
[10:58] <bob2> Destructo: please
[10:58] <MobyTurbo> Destructo, I have gmail already.
[10:58] <sudoman> i can give you one
[10:58] <sudoman> haha
[10:58] <Destructo> bob2 seriously you want one ..?
[10:58] <bob2> sudoman: try it and see, I think you'll like ubuntu a lot
[10:58] <bob2> Destructo: no, please don't offer them here
[10:58] <bob2> try #gmail or something.
[10:58] <Destructo> ah sorry.
[10:58] <sudoman> bob2: better than ydl?
[10:58] <Destructo> now i rememebr you looked familiar
[10:58] <bob2> sudoman: yes
[10:58] <MobyTurbo> sudoman, ubuntu is Debian-based, which might mean much of it's package repository works on all its architectures like Debian.
[10:59] <sudoman> bob2: ok. that sounds good.
[10:59] <sudoman> bob2: ah, good
[10:59] <sudoman> bob2: and it's smaller, no?
[10:59] <bob2> ubuntu ppc includes basically everything that i386 does
[10:59] <Destructo> bob2 have you heard any comments about ubuntu and laptops .. ?
[10:59] <bob2> sudoman: smaller than what?
[10:59] <Treenaks> MobyTurbo: but don't use debian repositories if there's a package in ubuntu!
[10:59] <sudoman> ydl?
[10:59] <bob2> Destructo: works great on mine and the 6 people using ubuntu on their laptops in this room
[10:59] <Nexinarus> thanks Treenaks
[11:00] <sudoman> i used 4 cds to install ydl on my mac, but ubuntu only needs one
[11:00] <MobyTurbo> Treenaks, of course. I was comparing the two, not reccomending the usage of non-ubuntu repositories.
[11:00] <Destructo> bob2 how is it with new laptops ?
[11:00] <sudoman> and then internet downloads
[11:00] <bob2> Destructo: I see two x40's, a brand new viao and a new hp, and they all apparently work great
[11:00] <bob2> sudoman: well, yeah
[11:00] <bob2> (plus my g4 ibook)
[11:00] <bob2> Destructo: about the only trick is to avoid broadcom wireless
[11:01] <Nexinarus> Treenaks, i thought cellphone makers just made new cellphones when they make new features ;)
[11:01] <bob2> Destructo: and checking which have working acpi if you want to be able to suspend them
[11:01] <Destructo> bob2 wy you couldnbt get yours to work .. ?
[11:01] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: they do, but the fix bugs in new firmware versions
[11:01] <Destructo> wow typo sorry
[11:01] <b_e_n_z> Nexinarus, no, they change the covers on the phones ane sell them as new models
[11:01] <bob2> Destructo: mine works great except for the wireless
[11:01] <Nexinarus> hehe
[11:02] <Destructo> bob2 whcih is broadcom righjt ..?
[11:02] <Nexinarus> my phone *works*. It's not perfect, id certainly customize it slimmer and change things if i could but ah it works
[11:02] <bob2> Destructo: right
[11:02] <Destructo> you need help .. ? i did it
[11:02] <bob2> Destructo: erm, there's no driver for it.  anywhere, afaik.
[11:02] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: mine works too, but it has some broken things (web browser has quite a few bugs, mail client tends to crash)
[11:02] <ebene> bob2, broadcom works with ndiswrapper (well mine did anyway)
[11:03] <bob2> ebene: yes, this is on ppc tho :)
[11:03] <ebene> oww : (
[11:03] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: also, the new firmware is faster, or so I heard
[11:03] <Destructo> bob2 use ndiswrapper , then use your broadcom drivers .inf file.. bam ! :)
[11:03] <bob2> Destructo: not on ppc
[11:03] <Destructo> ah ... ok
[11:03] <Nexinarus> Over here mail clients dont exist, and the web browser is so expensive to use its not funny
[11:04] <Nexinarus> if i went to google.com it would cost me nearly a dollar,
[11:04] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: they're all included on the 3650..
[11:04] <Nexinarus> dont have 3650,
[11:04] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: I do
[11:04] <Nexinarus> i mean in general over here, they dont have mail features
[11:04] <Nexinarus> i think 2 phones in advertising do but thats about it heh
[11:04] <Treenaks> oh, ok.. where is 'here'? :)
[11:04] <Nexinarus> New Zealand
[11:05] <Treenaks> ah ok
[11:05] <Destructo> bob2 no idea about ppc
[11:05] <Nexinarus> "hobbit land"
[11:05] <bob2> Destructo: there's no support
[11:05] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: Kiwiland ;)
[11:05] <MobyTurbo> Nexinarus, do the sheep have cellphones?
[11:05] <Nexinarus> no, they are farmed, we dont date them, honest,
[11:06] <mpt> (baaaa!)
[11:06] <MobyTurbo> Nexinarus, sorry for the baaad joke.
[11:06] <clee> mpt: what're you doing in here? I thought you were a Mac user. :)
[11:07] <MobyTurbo> Nexinarus, I should be nicer to ewe.
[11:07] <mpt> clee: I am indeed, I'm just being nosey
[11:07] <Kamion> bleh, need to fix debootstrap for new parted
[11:07] <Nexinarus> heh,
[11:07] <Kamion> so today's daily CD won't be too useful
[11:07] <Nexinarus> stupid new zealand sheep farmers,
[11:07] <Nexinarus> :p
[11:07] <Nexinarus> ruining nz's image,
[11:08] <clee> mpt: well, I've gotta hand it to these dudes. Ubuntu's my personal favorite distro.
[11:08] <clee> mpt: (And I work for Red Hat. :)
[11:08] <mpt> heh
[11:08] <mpt> Why do you like it, clee?
[11:08] <verden01> any ausies
[11:08] <verden01> aussies
[11:08] <clee> mpt: well, I'm a sucker for a good Debian distro
[11:08] <clee> mpt: and Ubuntu's basically a better Debian than Debian
[11:08] <spiritz_> lol
[11:08] <Destructo> bob2 i may know someone that may be able to shed some light ... let me.. think...   for some reason you look familiar
[11:08] <Nexinarus> heh
[11:08] <clee> timely updates, easy installer
[11:09] <clee> free CDs in the mail
[11:09] <clee> what's not to like? :)
[11:09] <Nexinarus> And yeah free cd's, omg i can get it in the mail faster than i can download it.
[11:09] <clee> well, ok, I'm not too crazy about GNOME, being a KDE dev and all.
[11:09] <verden01> theres something about a good debian distro that makes linux worthwhile
[11:09] <mpt> Fair enough
[11:09] <clee> but I compile KDE from CVS anyway, so it's not like the lack of KDE hits me very hard
[11:09] <bob2> Destructo: #debian?
[11:09] <Destructo> bob2 maybe #freenode ?
[11:10] <verden01> i got kde on ubuntu from synaptic
[11:10] <Destructo> or openor freebsd ?
[11:10] <bob2> Destructo: therwe's no ppc driver for linux for the chipset anywhere, afaik.  there's a binary-only linux mips one, but no one has reverse engineered it to source yet.
[11:10] <bob2> Destructo: freenode maybe
[11:10] <Destructo> bob2 is there an emulation program inppc ..?
[11:11] <mpt> clee: Apart from the KDElessness, anything you really don't like?
[11:11] <bob2> Destructo: hah, well, emulating a cpu to run a kernel module is really really deep voodoo
[11:11] <clee> mpt: well, they employ some unsavory types, like daniels
[11:12] <clee> mpt: seriously though... nope. And it keeps getting better.
[11:12] <clee> mpt: like I said. being a KDE dev, and all... :)
[11:12] <Nexinarus> ah i must remember to backup my firefox bookmarks heh,
[11:12] <MobyTurbo> clee, a KDE dev working for Red Hat?
[11:12] <Destructo> bob2 on my dell laptop at home, the wirless wouldnt work , so i used vmware in my slackware and installed xp and used 'bridged connectin. worked well.
[11:12] <clee> MobyTurbo: yeah, I'm one-of-a-kind :)
[11:12] <bob2> Destructo: oh lordy
[11:13] <Destructo> i know. but im not very smart with computers, but i thought that was neato
[11:13] <clee> Destructo: wait. that actually WORKED?
[11:14] <Destructo> clee yes. but i didnt say ppc
[11:16] <loogaroo> hi
[11:17] <loogaroo> is there a own chan for ubuntu devs?
[11:19] <Destructo> loogaroo yeah i saw it when i did a list
[11:19] <bob2> there's a channel, but it's actually only for discussion of development
[11:20] <loogaroo> bob2: and where can I find this chan?
[11:20] <bob2> #ubuntu-devel
[11:21] <loogaroo> bob2: thx
[11:21] <Kamion> we used to use #ubuntu before we went public, and moved out when it got too noisy; if our current development channel gets too noisy, we'll just have to move again
[11:21] <Kamion> that would be a shame, though
[11:22] <loogaroo> I understand
[11:26] <Nexinarus> i must say to the developers of gedit, good on them its so nice.
[11:34] <brc_> I just changed my videocard (ancient sis card to ATI 7000 Radeon 64mb)...is there a a tool other then 'dexconf' that'll try to create the proper X config?
[11:34] <brc_> x is refusing to start
[11:34] <MobyTurbo> brc_, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:34] <bob2> !+setup x
[11:35] <brc_> MobyTurbo++
[11:35] <brc_> !help
[11:35] <brc_> what's the bots name?
[11:35] <brc_> thanks
[11:35] <MobyTurbo> brc_, if that doesn't work try xf86config or xf86cfg which come with X.
[11:37] <warty> anyone use live cd ?
[11:38] <bob2> oops
[11:38] <MobyTurbo> warty, the live CD is somewhat finicky, some computers don't work with it.
[11:38] <warty> no i'm using it now
[11:39] <MobyTurbo> warty, good for you. It doesn't work here. :-/
[11:39] <warty> needed to reboot twice b4 it started, dunno if that is supposed to happen
[11:39] <warty> :)
[11:39] <warty> just wondering about the apt updates
[11:39] <MobyTurbo> warty, the setup CD worked here fine though.
[11:39] <warty> yeah setcd works fine too
[11:40] <warty> source.list show ..
[11:40] <warty> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main
[11:40] <warty> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/LiveCD/warthog ./
[11:40] <warty> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/LiveCD/morphix ./
[11:40] <warty> is one able to add more, or best leaving them 3 only ?
[11:40] <MobyTurbo> warty, they aren't the same as the ones configured by the setup CD.
[11:41] <MobyTurbo> well, except the first
[11:41] <warty> yeah, having problems getting, libpcre3 for nmap
[11:42] <warty> hmm
[11:42] <brc_> ahhmm...it seems it's not autodetecting the bus identifier
[11:42] <|QuaD|> can anyone reccomend a good CHEAP webhosting company
[11:42] <warty> www.godaddy.com are cheap enough
[11:42] <warty> solid servers
[11:42] <warty> cheap domain's too
[11:42] <|QuaD|> yeah
[11:42] <brc_> lspci reports 0000:01:00.0   ...just gotta figure out what number the x config is looking for
[11:42] <|QuaD|> thats where i got my domain from
[11:43] <brc_> dangit...wish you could backup in deb confs
[11:45] <|QuaD|> warty: ever heard of hostingplex
[11:45] <warty> nope, where they based ?
[11:45] <|QuaD|> no idea
[11:46] <warty> canada
[11:46] <warty> ontario to be exact
[11:46] <|QuaD|> is that good?
[11:46] <|QuaD|> i travel in northeast us
[11:47] <|QuaD|> http://www.hostingplex.com/hosting/hosting_packages.html
[11:47] <|QuaD|> that says 5 gigs... right? i just want to make sure
[11:47] <brc_> well blah
[11:47] <brc_> it doesn't like AGP:0000:01:00.0
[11:47] <brc_> let's ask jeeves....actually, let's not
[11:48] <darkersatanic> brc_: It's looking for PCI:1:0:0 in your case.
[11:48] <brc_> it's a agp card
[11:49] <darkersatanic> AGP effectively looks like a faster PCI bus.
[11:49] <brc_> ahhhh
[11:49] <jono> hi all
[11:49] <brc_> good thing that isn't mentioned in the info screen :p
[11:49] <jono>  what does 'chainloader' do in GRUB? the docs are not very clear
[11:49] <warty> ubuntu should really get a search archive site, so peeps can um.. search for ubuntu packages
[11:49] <brc_> thanks darkersatanic
[11:49] <darkersatanic> I'm sure there are differences, but the XF86 configuration calls it PCI.
[11:49] <|QuaD|> warty: can you answer my questions :)
[11:50] <darkersatanic> jono: I think it loads another bootloader -- hence the "chain" bit.
[11:50] <warty> 5 gigs data transfer a month ?
[11:50] <warty> whats the site going to be serving ?
[11:50] <brc_> yay!
[11:50] <|QuaD|> no, 5gigs of data storage
[11:50] <brc_> thanks again
[11:51] <warty> man my site uses 10 mb lol..
[11:51] <warty> so 5 gig is pretty sufficient i would imagine
[11:51] <|QuaD|> heh, how will speeds be between ontario and boston?
[11:51] <|QuaD|> and ontario and jersey?
[11:51] <warty> they are all prob. on multi-homed backbones
[11:51] <Kamion> jono: typically used to transfer control to ntldr or similar
[11:51] <|QuaD|> yea
[11:51] <Kamion> warty: search archive> it's coming
[11:51] <warty> :))
[11:52] <|QuaD|> so that means i am fine?
[11:52] <warty> something like http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages
[11:52] <warty> well at the end of the day, its up to you
[11:52] <warty> depends what your sticking on ur site
[11:52] <Kamion> warty: there's an unofficial version of that page for Ubuntu
[11:52] <|QuaD|> just for me
[11:52] <|QuaD|> no one else
[11:52] <jono> cheers :)
[11:52] <|QuaD|> storage
[11:52] <warty> if ur going to mirror ubuntu it wont work :P
[11:52] <|QuaD|> and backup
[11:52] <warty> well 5 gigs is about 8-10 div-x rips
[11:52] <warty> hows that suit you :)
[11:52] <choisy> hey there
[11:53] <Kamion> warty: http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[11:53] <warty> YES nice one Kamion
[11:53] <|QuaD|> haha yeah
[11:53] <warty> cu should stick that on the topic
[11:53] <warty> or even the ubuntu site
[11:53] <Kamion> we'll hopefully have something similar ourselves soon, developed in-house
[11:54] <jono> how does 'default' in the grub config file differ from 'savedefault' ?
[11:55] <brc_> it's been awhile...but iirc savedefault will save that as default if you select it from the menu
[11:55] <Kamion> jono: if you use 'default saved', then menu entries with the 'savedefault' option will become the default after they're selected
[11:56] <Kamion> 'info grub' has details
[11:56] <jono> cool
[11:57] <warty> grrr
[11:57] <warty> sometimes with live cd, upon going to site thru firefox, it just shuts down completely
[12:03] <stvn> daniels: I've tried the pll,ddc options and even setting the laptop resolution to 1024x768 with no result, I have saved all the logs if you're interested
[12:05] <daniels> stvn: that would be great, thanks
[12:07] <candyman> in a nutshell, apart from a new release every six months, what will I get from an ubuntu install today that I won't get from a Sarge install?
[12:07] <candyman> (hi all)
[12:07] <daniels> shiny
[12:08] <jdub> candyman: gnome 2.8 :-)
[12:09] <jdub> candyman: great integration
[12:09] <deFrysk> candyman, stability
[12:09] <jdub> candyman: commercial support if you want it
[12:09] <deFrysk> candyman, no kde :)
[12:09] <candyman> jdub: can you give me a good example of integration that I miss with Sarge? This is a desktop, I would be upgrading to SID
[12:09] <MobyTurbo> candyman, actually you can install kde from universe.
[12:10] <candyman> deFrysk, I am a KDE person. I am still not completely convinced to switch.
[12:10] <candyman> Moby, I know ;)
[12:10] <MobyTurbo> candyman, but most ubuntu users use gnome 2.8 because that's special to ubuntu at present.
[12:10] <deFrysk> candyman, if you are a kde person, stick to sarge/sid
[12:10] <MobyTurbo> candyman, once KDE starts using D-BUS it will work better on ubuntu than Debian.
[12:10] <jdub> candyman: hardware autoconfiguration, well set up desktop by default, etc.
[12:11] <brc_> wow
[12:11] <brc_> this is very nice
[12:11] <mbp_> hi jdub
[12:11] <jdub> yo mbp_
[12:11] <candyman> yep, in Spain most people use Gnome, it is what comes in government distros
[12:11] <candyman> jdub, and is passing Ubuntu to SID painful?
[12:11] <brc_> mmm
[12:11] <brc_> no kde?
[12:11] <brc_> I was just looking for it
[12:11] <candyman> Almost convinced, really
[12:12] <candyman> finally: package selection good enough? Broad enough, rather?
[12:12] <deFrysk> candyman, gnome2.9x in hoary
[12:12] <candyman> I don't need all of SID
[12:12] <brc_> MobyTurbo, does a kde install from universe (debian repository I assume?) work well(ish)?
[12:12] <deFrysk> wich is rather neat
[12:12] <jdub> candyman: not hugely, but wi ouldn't recommend crossgrading on any distro
[12:12] <MobyTurbo> brc_, not a Debian repository, the Ubuntu Linux "universe" repository.
[12:12] <deFrysk> and xorg in horay , also neat
[12:12] <brc_> ahh okay
[12:13] <MobyTurbo> candyman, the package selection is based on a snapshot of sid, so it's huge.
[12:13] <candyman> ok, convinced
[12:13] <MobyTurbo> candyman, that is if you use universe
[12:13] <brc_> so...did you run into any problems with it (kde on ubuntu..)?
[12:13] <candyman> trying Ubuntu for six months
[12:13] <candyman> home on a different partition, so I can move when I want, or even have dual boots
[12:13] <candyman> see you in Matar
[12:13] <MobyTurbo> brc_, I've never tried KDE under ubuntu.
[12:14] <candyman> I will be the guy with the XP tablet that only boots off the network
[12:14] <brc_> ahh, sorry
[12:14] <candyman> and wants to have it dual-boot, unnegotiable ;)
[12:14] <brc_> heh
[12:15] <candyman> so see you there, all
[12:22] <Mayday> what does it really mean when i have packages that "have been kept back" (apt tells me)
[12:23] <mjr> they haven't been upgraded because the upgrading would require installing other packages or removing others, or dependencies aren't available
[12:23] <Kamion> it means that they can't be upgraded because the newer versions would not be installable due to dependency problems
[12:23] <mjr> dist-upgrade overrides the first two conditions and goes ahead
[12:23] <Kamion> may be a bug, may just be that you need to wait a while for stuff to sync up
[12:24] <mjr> for example, the calendar package might not be upgraded with a normal upgrade, since it depends on the new december calendar package, but dist-upgrade will happily upgrade it and pull the december calendar with it
[12:27] <daniels> stvn: this never worked for you, did it?
[12:27] <daniels> stvn: (like, a week ago, before the new radeon_drv.o)
[12:33] <brc_> is synaptic installed on a default ubuntu install?
[12:33] <brc_> can't seem to find it
[12:33] <Kamion> computer -> system configuration -> synaptic package manager, iirc
[12:34] <MobyTurbo> brc_, it's in "computer > system configuration"
[12:34] <Kamion> yes, it's there by default
[12:34] <brc_> ahh
[12:34] <brc_> thanks again :)
[12:34] <brc_> I haven't used gnome in about two years
[12:34] <brc_> heh
[12:49] <Elwood> how to add my user to sudoers?an example line?
[12:50] <MobyTurbo> Elwood, visudo
[12:50] <MobyTurbo> Elwood, man sudoers
[12:50] <Elwood> thanks :)
[12:51] <stvn> daniels: nope it never worked for me
[12:51] <potato> is there a package for mrxvt on ubuntu ?
[12:52] <stvn> daniels: i did not try to setup a multi-monitor setup on warty though, it might have worked there, but unlikely
[12:58] <ztonzy> Kamion, hey, you awake ?
[01:00] <Kamion> ztonzy: yes
[01:00] <ztonzy> Kamion, remember 'vi' ?
[01:00] <ztonzy> Kamion, I removed KDE and problems solved ;)
[01:01] <Kamion> ztonzy: yeah, I saw that in scrollback
[01:01] <Kamion> ztonzy: evidently some breakage in use of update-alternatives
[01:01] <ztonzy> must be that kde isnt supported in ubuntu - yet
[01:01] <ztonzy> yes
[01:01] <Kamion> indeed it isn't
[01:01] <ztonzy> something called /etc/alternatives...and it gave my weird symlinks
[01:01] <ztonzy> my = some
[01:03] <mof> hi
[01:03] <daniels> stvn: ahr, cool
[01:04] <Kamion> ztonzy: some KDE package is obviously calling update-alternatives (or conceivably dpkg-divert) in a broken way
[01:04] <mof> i cant set new root password with 'sudo chpasswd root'
[01:04] <vrln> try sudo passwd root instead
[01:04] <mof> do i take knoppix ?
[01:04] <ztonzy> Kamion, :(
[01:05] <Kamion> ztonzy: it could be fixed up by hand, but I don't know what the exact form of the breakage is
[01:05] <mof> sorry, i mean 'sudo passwd root '
[01:05] <ztonzy> Kamion, I dont want to jump into that
[01:05] <mof> ?
[01:06] <jdub> mof: don't set the root password, just use sudo
[01:07] <mof> no, i must have a root password
[01:08] <mof> but after hd install 'sudo passwd root' doesnt work
[01:08] <Kamion> "doesn't work"?
[01:08] <mof> i think i'll try it with knoppix
[01:08] <mof> yes
[01:09] <Kamion> it's always unlikely that anyone can help with a simple "doesn't work" report
[01:09] <mof> i cant set new root password with 'sudo passwd root'
[01:09] <jdub> mof: you need to tell us what happens
[01:09] <brc_> mof does it give you an error? does nothing seem to happen?
[01:10] <brc_> ...
[01:10] <mof> if i type 'sudo passwd root' i should try it again
[01:10] <brc_> sorry?
[01:10] <mof> 3 times
[01:10] <Kamion> you need to enter your own password.
[01:10] <jdub> mof: the first prompt is for your own password (sudo)
[01:11] <mof> first prompt after 'sudo passwd root ' ?#
[01:11] <brc_> yes
[01:11] <mof> thanks much
[01:11] <stvn> daniels: it does work on windows though :P
[01:12] <daniels> stvn: heh
[01:13] <mof> bye
[01:14] <brc_> "<MobyTurbo> Elwood, man sudoers" haha... the sudoers man page is the all time winner for most cryptic man page... it starts off with " The grammar of sudoers will be described below in Extended Backus-Naur Form (EBNF). EBNF is a concise and exact way of describing the grammar of a language. "
[01:14] <brc_> EBNF is great and all when you're writing an RFC
[01:14] <Elw0od_21> brc_, i solved the problem anyway :)
[01:15] <stvn> daniels: am trying to get xinerama working but when i start X with the crt attached i run in the usual bug, is there a way to stop X from trying to do it by itself?
[01:15] <Kamion> sudoers(5) also has an EXAMPLES section
[01:15] <brc_> but for an end user man page....what are they smoking...not even one example in the man page either
[01:15] <brc_> ohhh
[01:15] <Kamion> brc_: er, sure there is
[01:15] <brc_> never seen it
[01:15] <Kamion> scroll down lots :)
[01:15] <daniels> stvn: i'm not sure, sorry -- maybe Option "IgnoreEDID"?
[01:15] <stvn> daniels: ta will try
[01:16] <brc_> well whatdayaknow! there are!... I haven't looked at it since debian woody
[01:16] <Kamion> there's an EXAMPLES section in the version in woody too
[01:16] <Kamion> just checked
[01:17] <brc_> meh...I swear the first time I read it it didn't have examples...could have been on a different distro
[01:17] <brc_> heh
[01:17] <Kamion> it's not a shining example of a user-facing man page, I agree, but it does have some redeeming features :)
[01:18] <brc_> 25 % remaining till hoary :0
[01:18] <brc_> I'm liking gnome
[01:19] <brc_> eh..I dunno...it was the first man page I ever saw...
[01:19] <brc_> lets just say I was(am) rather unimpressed
[01:20] <brc_> I need a faster test box
[01:20] <brc_> this one is a k6-2 500
[01:20] <brc_> blah!
[01:57] <Rene_S> Good morning, afternoon , evening.
[01:57] <gnurt> good night :)
[01:58] <stratus> i've installed ubuntu in a sony vaio and i think that this model isn't with that 'magic' cable that let us play audio cd's.
[01:59] <stratus> there's a xmms plugin for it but what's the tip for gnome-cd?!
[01:59] <carlos> stratus: gnome-cd has that feature in the new development version, until that, you should use totem or xmms with that plugin
[01:59] <yann_> is there a plugin to allow xmms to play wma files? :/
[02:00] <carlos> until that == until it's released as stable and included in Hoary
[02:00] <Treenaks> yann_: no
[02:00] <stratus> carlos, thank you very much i'll test with totem now.
[02:01] <yann_> :/
[02:17] <GotD0t> hi
[02:17] <GotD0t> whos your developer sid77
[02:17] <sid77> what?
[02:17] <GotD0t> hehe... bad joke
[02:18] <sid77> lol, got it
[02:28] <stratus> carlos, is there a package missing (by default) to totem play audio cd's? It show me "don't know how to read cdda://".
[02:36] <yann_> I installed the apache2 and php3 packages... should I modify the configuration files of Apache to get php working?
[02:36] <yann_> s/php3/php4
[02:37] <Treenaks> yann_: man a2enmod
[02:37] <yann_> thx
[02:38] <yann_> is there a way to find the name of the php module?
[02:40] <carlos> stratus: try totem-xine
[02:40] <palle> how do i configure my harware acceleration to allow Direct Rendering???
[02:41] <nanomad> what version of ubuntu do u have?
[02:41] <palle> 4.10
[02:41] <mjr> palle, weren't you the one with a radeon 9600 or something? By installing the ATI binary driver
[02:41] <yann_> php is not in the list and i get a lot of samba errors :/
[02:42] <palle> mjr yeah i have 9800 XT i did install the binary driver but it still doesn't work
[02:42] <mjr> well, I don't know then
[02:42] <palle> i don't know if the driver doesn't work or what it is
[02:42] <nanomad> have u started fglrxconfig (or something similar)
[02:42] <palle> how can i tell if my driver is really correctly installed?
[02:43] <palle> nanomad no i hav'nt
[02:43] <nanomad> try starting it (it should ask some questions)
[02:43] <palle> okay, thnx
[02:46] <stratus> carlos, i'll try thanks.
[02:51] <thenuke> I can hardly read texts in some windows like amule or mplayers preferences and so on.. Pleaaase help me =) check out the screenshot of miniatyre texts -> http://cygserv.cygnnet.jkl.fi/thenuke/too_small.png
[02:51] <ronan> hi
[02:52] <thenuke> heyp
[02:52] <ronan> does anyone speak french here ?
[02:52] <ronan> i'm anewbie
[02:52] <egli> vous etes un newbie?
[02:52] <ronan> nevermind
[02:52] <ronan> oui
[02:53] <ronan> j'ai dj eu qq petties galres  l'install
[02:53] <nanomad> thenuke: try installing gtk-themeswitch (can't remember the name)
[02:53] <egli> ronan: ah, desole, je suis un newbie mois en francais
[02:53] <thenuke> nanomad: ok, I try to find that out, thank you
[02:53] <ronan> tant pis
[02:54] <ronan> je vais me demerder alors
[02:54] <egli> ronan: je comprends mais je parle pas
[02:54] <ronan> ok
[02:54] <ronan> bon bah ua revoir alors !
[02:55] <thenuke> Please use messages if you speak any other language than english :)
[02:55] <nanomad> or go to ubuntu-fr
[02:55] <egli> too late he left already
[03:00] <eazel7> hi
[03:00] <eazel7> what array-1 is supposed to be?
[03:01] <Treenaks> eazel7: context?
[03:02] <Kamion> eazel7: first test CD for hoary
[03:02] <eazel7> Treenaks, browsing archive.ubuntulinux.org
[03:03] <eazel7> Kamion, didn't know it existed until now
[03:03] <Kamion> i.e. "an array of hedgehogs"
[03:03] <Kamion> like "a sounder of warthogs"
[03:03] <mulux> Bah, so unix have the same problem with RX/TX bytes... they are only 32bit, so they reset at 4.2gb... does any of you know if this can be "upgraded" to 64bit counters?
[03:03] <eazel7> Kamion, my mind writes misspelled
[03:03] <mulux> err, unix have the same problem as windows
[03:04] <Treenaks> mulux: use rrdtool to graph, it'll detect wraparounds
[03:04] <Treenaks> mulux: also, upgrading to a 64-bit architecture might help
[03:04] <mulux> Treenaks: well, I don't have a 64bit processor
[03:04] <eazel7> Kamion, do you know what changes it introduces (mainly)
[03:04] <eazel7> it's a dream to install with anaconda, isn't it?
[03:04] <Kamion> eazel7: see mail to ubuntu-users
[03:05] <Kamion> subject line "Array CD 1"
[03:05] <Kamion> eazel7: no, we don't use anaconda
[03:05] <cheitozz> -es
[03:06] <mulux> Treenaks: can I get rrdtool to show total bytes in/out, ie not just the speed?
[03:09] <Anzze> how do i resize the login screen? it's currently at my highest resolution.. i need to set it to 1024x768
[03:13] <eazel7> the only way I think it to be done is modifying the /etc/X/XF86Config-4
[03:13] <Anzze> to remove those extra resoultion from xorg.conf?
[03:13] <Anzze> limiting it to 1024x768?
[03:13] <pridkett> hey, my /dev/dsp disappeared.  This has the nasty side effect of keeping flash audio from working.  Any hints on what I can do to get it back?  alsa seems to still work.
[03:14] <eazel7> in the list that there are a list of resolutions you could switch the order of the desired one with the undesired one
[03:14] <eazel7> Anzze, no, just change it's order
[03:14] <Anzze> ic
[03:14] <Anzze> thanks
[03:15] <eazel7> yw
[03:15] <Anzze> so i just place 1024x768 the first before 1280 blah blah. ending with 640
[03:15] <Anzze> i'll try.. tahnks
[03:15] <eazel7> exactly
[03:15] <eazel7> you're welcome
[03:20] <eazel7> uft8 will fix the encoding of my filesystem
[03:21] <eazel7> =) gonna download array-1
[03:21] <Anzze> nah.. it's not working.. rearraging the size only allows me to see that size
[03:21] <Anzze> but the size of login is still larger.. as they allow me to use my mouse and move around to the full size
[03:22] <eazel7> Anzze, have you change the virtual resolutions too?
[03:22] <Anzze> virtual resoulation of login screen?
[03:22] <Anzze> where do i go it? edit xorg.conf?
[03:22] <thenuke> How easy it might be to get ubuntu into 1.6gb HD?
[03:22] <thenuke> with gnome
[03:22] <eazel7> well I don't know if you're using them or not
[03:23] <roRy> should be ok
[03:23] <thenuke> I guess that I would have to do umm.. custom install
[03:23] <thenuke> or expert-custom?
[03:23] <Kamion> thenuke: well, the installation uses 1.8GB but 300MB of that is temporary ...
[03:23] <Kamion> thenuke: (roughly)
[03:23] <Kamion> thenuke: avoid expert
[03:23] <Anzze> is the login screen "gdm"? if so.. maybe i can look at a direction
[03:23] <eazel7> Anzze, nope, X has a physical and a virtual resolution, you can see just a part of the login screen 'cause your virtual is higher than your physical one
[03:24] <Kamion> thenuke: try custom and then install the ubuntu-desktop task in aptitude piece by piece, I think ...
[03:24] <Anzze> ya.. tt's the precise problem.. but where do i change X's virtual resolution.. i don't see it in xorg.conf
[03:25] <thenuke> Kamion: righto
[03:26] <Anzze> does geforce has this Option          ?UseFBDev?      ?true?
[03:37] <jono> I heard there was an issue putting kernel source in /usr/src/linux due to something to do with the kernel headers, anyone know about this?
[03:39] <bob2> just don't do it
[03:39] <bob2> but it doesn't matter on modern systems
[03:39] <bob2> a better reason for putting it in ~/ is that you can build it as a normal user instead of as root
[03:48] <roRy> how do i make a smbfs share writable by users??
[03:51] <Qerub> Ehm. How big is a default install of Warty? And how much space is required during installation?
[03:52] <roRy> 1.5gb/1.8gb apparently
[03:53] <Qerub> roRy: Thanks.
[04:01] <roRy> anyone?
[04:01] <ChrisH> Everybody: remember that the keyparty preparation period ends tomorrow! Everybody who wants to participate in the keysigning party needs to take action quickly. See: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~mako/ksp-mataro/
[04:08] <Djrom> daniels ?
[05:15] <digitus> how do i adjust the speedstepping settings?
[05:16] <bob2>  /etc/default/powernowd, create it and set the OPTIONS env var
[05:16] <bob2> (man powernowd)
[05:18] <jordi> powernowd won't work here :/
[05:19] <jordi> this is an athlon XP
[05:19] <daniels> mmm, shiny quick boot
[05:19] <warty> how do i install yahoo messenger
[05:19] <warty> for ubuntu
[05:19] <Moof> warty: use gaim
[05:19] <warty> what is gaim
[05:19] <meff> anyone else having a problem with evolution in hoary failing to use pop?
[05:20] <Moof> warty: it's an aim/msn/jabber/yahoo messenger client
[05:20] <warty> got you
[05:20] <Moof> it should be in your main menu
[05:20] <warty> thanks moof
[05:20] <davmor2> can anyone tell how i can find out which version of ubuntu I have installed please
[05:21] <warty> i will get it from sourceforge
[05:21] <bob2> davmor2: which did you install?
[05:21] <bob2> warty: no
[05:21] <bob2> warty: it's *in* ubuntu
[05:21] <bob2> warty: it's already installed, even
[05:21] <warty> ok
[05:21] <warty> let me try
[05:21] <davmor2> bob2 not sure just clicked on a torrent link
[05:21] <bob2> erm, ok
[05:22] <davmor2> bob2 just wondered if it is 4.10 i have installed or not.
[05:22] <bob2> davmor2: that's the only realse of ubuntu that exists
[05:22] <bob2> so it's that or you somehow installed the development version
[05:22] <davmor2> ta
[05:23] <bob2> look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:23] <digitus> bob2: thx, i'll read man powernowd and try it
[05:23] <digitus> can you recommend a good audio player
[05:24] <deeed> xmms
[05:24] <bob2> I quite like cplay, but gnome's default is rhythmbox, which is quite good
[05:24] <bob2> when it's not crashing
[05:25] <warty> thanks moof
[05:25] <mojo> bob2: rythmbox is good but it's very resource consuming
[05:25] <warty> i set it up
[05:25] <digitus> rythmbox hangs up on my machine if i try playing a stream url
[05:25] <bob2> your whole machine?
[05:25] <bob2> are you sure?
[05:26] <digitus> no..
[05:26] <bob2> ah
[05:26] <digitus> rythmbox itself hangs up
[05:26] <bob2> right
[05:26] <digitus> is that a known issue?
[05:26] <mojo> Does any know why new OOo 1.1.3 in Hoary doesn't have GTK nor Industrial-theme compliant?
[05:27] <borgmeister> is the use of the ESD absolutely essential?
[05:27] <meff> mojo: i noticed that too
[05:27] <bob2> it's known that it crashews a lot
[05:27] <bob2> borgmeister: no
[05:27] <meff> mojo: looks like windows 95 eh? :)
[05:27] <borgmeister> its just i get sound in games with it disabled
[05:27] <borgmeister> but no system noises
[05:27] <bob2> yup
[05:27] <mojo> meff: it is, quite a time heh,
[05:27] <borgmeister> any idea?
[05:28] <bob2> that's how it works
[05:28] <bob2> you need to tell your games to use esd
[05:28] <bob2> or your system to not
[05:28] <bob2> I'm not sure if it's possible to make gnome 2.9 not use esd at the moment
[05:28] <hoarycripple> hoary was the release before warty right?
[05:28] <hoarycripple> or the pre-release
[05:28] <meff> other way around
[05:29] <hoarycripple> ah
[05:29] <borgmeister> how do i do that?
[05:29] <bob2> hoary is under development and will come out in april
[05:29] <bob2> borgmeister: talk to your game author
[05:29] <borgmeister> ok, can i tell the system to use a diffrent daemon?
[05:29] <hoarycripple> anyone use the live cd here?
[05:30] <bob2> 'bob2 | I'm not sure if it's possible to make gnome 2.9 not use esd at the moment'
[05:30] <borgmeister> oh
[05:30] <borgmeister> ok not to worry
[05:30] <bob2> hoarycripple: it's generally best to just ask your question right away instead of asking to ask like that...
[05:30] <hoarycripple> well i was wondering if the live cd comes with e16
[05:30] <hoarycripple> need to test something
[05:30] <bob2> doubt it very much
[05:31] <hoarycripple> ah well wishful thinking
[05:31] <bob2> you can install stuff into ramdisk, tho, I hear
[05:31] <meff> it was nice that the installer supported lvm2 volumes... very glad i didnt have to wipe those :o
[05:31] <mojo> oh, ppl, gnome-screenshot works again, now I can take screenshot
[05:32] <meff> which metapkg houses the devel tools like c,c++ etc?
[05:32] <davmor2> bob2 found out why acpi problem occurred just don't now how to alter it.  My via bios uses acpi as part of my pci controller but when I try booting the install 'linux pci=noacpi' it won't install any further
[05:34] <pd> I am installing Ubuntu on a G5 1.6 Mac
[05:34] <pd> it boots, but looks up on the keyboard
[05:34] <pd> it thinks the keyboard is stuck
[05:34] <jemfinch> what does it take for a program to get packaged for ubuntu?
[05:34] <davmor2> bob2 any idea on how to remedy this as I saw an alternate wiki page to remedy it but it hasn't.
[05:35] <bob2> jemfinch: getting it into debian is an easy way
[05:35] <bob2> davmor2: no idea
[05:36] <mojo> ppl, I'm converting Ubuntu Linux into GNOME-100%Novell Linux Desktop
[05:37] <zenwhen> why
[05:37] <mojo> I need some help on the bootloader and splash, anyone know to how to copy them into Ubuntu?
[05:37] <mojo> I find NLD very pro but it
[05:37] <mojo> is a bit crap b/c it contains KDE stuff
[05:37] <mojo> so I want to create a pure GNOME NLD
[05:37] <mojo> based on Ubuntu
[05:38] <wasabi_> What does that even mean.
[05:38] <zenwhen> Hmm... Im not exactly sure how to extract their themes.
[05:38] <zenwhen> Perhaps asking them would be the best place to start.
[05:39] <davmor2> bob2 okay ta anyway i will carry on looking
[05:39] <pisuke> mojo, have you read the artwork licence of NLD
[05:39] <mojo> zenwhen: I got NLD theme already, all full
[05:39] <mojo> I know the patent and license thing
[05:39] <pisuke> maybe you could get in trouble
[05:39] <mojo> but it doesn't kill or harm any if u already downloaded NLD
[05:39] <mojo> now u just bring them around PCs
[05:39] <mojo> it's harmless
[05:40] <zenwhen> I would just... switch to industrial in Ubuntu and forget it lol.
[05:40] <bob2> just make sure you do not distribute it to anyone at all
[05:41] <meff> hmm i have linux-kernel-headers installed.. where do i point vmware to to see them?
[05:41] <bob2> meff: no
[05:41] <Qerub> mojo: are you just doing artwork?
[05:41] <mojo> no
[05:41] <bob2> meff: if you're building a kernel module, it wants linux-kernel-$(uname -r)
[05:41] <zenwhen> /usr/src/"the header dir"/include
[05:41] <mojo> I do all of things
[05:42] <Qerub> mojo: including openoffice.org?
[05:42] <mojo> now I got artwork from NLD, GNOME Menu style of Ximian
[05:42] <zenwhen> thats a broad statement
[05:42] <meff> bob2: i installed linux-686 isnt it in there?
[05:42] <mojo> and now I'm working on bootloader, bootsplash and Help File
[05:42] <bob2> meff: that's not what I said...
[05:42] <mojo> I want to port all Novell KDE Center to Yelp
[05:42] <zenwhen> O;
[05:43] <meff> bob2: an apt-cache search for 'linux-kernel' only shows linux-kernel-headers
[05:43] <Qerub> mojo: o_O..~~~~~^
[05:43] <Kamion> meff: linux-headers
[05:43] <bob2> meff: well, I see it here
[05:44] <Kamion> meff: linux-kernel-headers is for internal use by glibc (and a bit misnamed); linux-headers-* are from the kernel
[05:44] <meff> thx Kamion
[05:45] <mojo> Qerub: do u want my work after I finish it?
[05:47] <bob2> mojo: do you have a license to distribute it to random people in this channel?
[05:48] <afonit> having looked in the website, I do not see a way to add fonts, does anyone know where the font directory is?
[05:48] <agenteo> is in ubuntu kernel the hight memory (more then 2GB) option activated?
[05:49] <bob2> afonit: drag to fonts:/// in nautilus
[05:49] <afonit> bob2: thankyou
[05:49] <bob2> agenteo: no, since it's a big speed hit on the vast majority of machines that don't include it
[05:50] <thenuke> where is that nautilus?
[05:50] <thenuke> I cant find it :)
[05:50] <bob2> thenuke: computer -> home
[05:50] <thenuke> oh ok
[05:51] <thenuke> "drag to fonts:///" .. now I cant find any fonts:/// thingie :P
[05:51] <bob2> ctrl-l fonts:/// <enter>
[05:51] <raja> how do you get the filepath area on the nautilus menu
[05:51] <meff> anyone know why xmms isnt honoring the .gtk settings? the open dialog is using a huge font.. all my other gtk1.2 apps seem fine
[05:52] <bob2> raja: ctrl-l?
[05:53] <raja> bob2, i met in the menubar for nautilus
[05:53] <bob2> ok, I don't understand you then
[05:53] <thenuke> I hate this localisation :) I choosed finnish in the setup.. then I saw most things in finnish and some thing in german :D now I see most things in finnish or english and some things in swedish
[05:53] <thenuke> I wonder if I just should change to english :)
[05:53] <bob2> patches welcome!
[05:53] <raja> bob2, i want the filepath in the menubar of nautilus
[05:56] <pd> can anyone help me on installing Ubuntu on a G5 1.6 Mac?
[05:57] <Kamion> pd: what's up?
[05:57] <pd> Kamion, i am having problems installing, its a random issue, either the keyboard gets locked, or the system freezes during the install
[05:57] <pd> sometimes the keyboard is stuck on a key
[05:57] <pd> i boot as linux-power4
[05:58] <pd> i cant even tab to a shell
[05:58] <pd> err ctrl-alt-f2 to a shell
[05:58] <Kamion> oh, not just a keyboard detection issue then
[05:59] <Kamion> sounds like something you should report to the kernel folks, although I'm not sure how you could extract enough information to help
[05:59] <pd> yeah dunno how to diagnose the problem
[05:59] <Kamion> maybe a serial console#
[05:59] <pd> you cant serial console into it :(
[05:59] <pd> i tried
[06:00] <Kamion> you may have to hack the kernel for that ...
[06:00] <Kamion> the kernel as shipped explicitly turns off the necessary bit to make serial consoles work for a reason I don't understand
[06:00] <thenuke> pd: I could not change to a shell from setup too.  and i am using amd-pc
[06:00] <pd> oh
[06:00] <pd> must not have one in the background
[06:00] <thenuke> and I used expert-custom install at that time
[06:01] <thenuke> and the setup even told me that now I could use ctrl-alt-.. to tab to a shell =)
[06:01] <Kamion> it's arch/ppc/kernel/head.S line 1620
[06:01] <Kamion> #if 0
[06:01] <Kamion>         ori     r5,r4,0x0888            /* set pseudo-segment reg 8 */
[06:01] <Kamion>         mtsr    8,r5                    /* (for access to serial port) */
[06:01] <Kamion> #endif
[06:01] <Kamion> make that #if 1 and the serial console should work ...
[06:02] <Kamion> alt-f2 does work in the CD as shipped; it must be two separate issues affecting the two of you
[06:02] <Kamion> at least, it works on my hardware :-)
[06:02] <thenuke> Kamion: and you mean that in the setup you had it working?  it works ok in the X
[06:03] <Kamion> thenuke: sure
[06:03] <Kamion> it's always worked; I use it frequently for debugging
[06:04] <V1pr3X> Hello
[06:07] <borgmeister> is it possible for me to edit the boot scipt so it speeds up 'configujring network interfaces...'?
[06:08] <V1pr3X> just playing with a new Ubuntu install and Gaim...
[06:08] <thenuke> hmm, does ubuntu's kernel throttle cpu automagically or something?
[06:09] <digitus> on my notebook, speedstepping is active
[06:09] <thenuke> this is desktop PC
[06:09] <thenuke> and I hear loud "squeeling" noise from it :)
[06:09] <digitus> try sudo powernowd
[06:10] <meff> yeah thenuke my inspiron8200 did that.. annoying as hell
[06:10] <DarkShadow> Hello
[06:10] <digitus> im playing around with it too
[06:10] <meff> i didnt know how to fix it :/
[06:10] <pd> let me go try that
[06:10] <DarkShadow> how long does it take before an ordered CD arrive?
[06:10] <thenuke> meff: yeah. but in windows I had some cpuidle software which kept cpu very cool but did not make this hellish noise
[06:10] <thenuke> digitus: did not work
[06:11] <V1pr3X> hey, how do I run ntp so that I can sync up my clock?
[06:11] <Riddell> V1pr3X: sudo /etc/init.d/ntpdate start
[06:12] <bob2> DarkShadow: depends when you ordeed it
[06:12] <DarkShadow> 2 days ago
[06:13] <bob2> then a while
[06:13] <DarkShadow> how long is that you think?
[06:13] <V1pr3X> thanks. Will that command carry across rebooting the system? or would I have to put that in some startup script?
[06:13] <borgmeister> where is the startup scirpt?
[06:13] <bob2> DarkShadow: a few weekes
[06:13] <bob2> borgmeister: there isnt' a 'startup script'
[06:14] <borgmeister> oh
[06:14] <DarkShadow> ok thank you
[06:14] <pd> welp
[06:14] <borgmeister> so..
[06:14] <pd> that settles it
[06:14] <borgmeister> what can i do?
[06:14] <pd> Ubuntu doesnt run on a G5 1.6 mac ppc
[06:14] <Kamion> we've had it running on G5 systems before; our build daemons are all G5s
[06:15] <Kamion> it depends somewhat on the exact model, since G5s are so new
[06:15] <bob2> borgmeister: what are you trying to do?
[06:15] <bob2> speed up'configuring network interfaces'?
[06:15] <pd> its not running on my syste
[06:15] <LinuxJones> afternoon everybody
[06:15] <pd> and its less than a year old
[06:16] <borgmeister> speed up 'configuring network interfaces...'
[06:16] <pd> im more than willing to help debug why
[06:16] <borgmeister> im assuming its trying to get an ip address
[06:16] <borgmeister> but since im on a laptop
[06:16] <borgmeister> i want to get those things after ive got into gnome
[06:17] <pd> maybe i should call ibm, since they are the ones that bought this
[06:17] <V1pr3X> okay...I'm running ntp...when I try and have the gnome clock synchronize with internet servers it still says I need to run ntp-suppoty
[06:18] <V1pr3X> * ntp support
[06:18] <bob2> borgmeister: you can stop that running at all, but then nothing will work
[06:18] <bob2> borgmeister: you can make it so eth0 isn't brough up on boot
[06:18] <borgmeister> yeah, sounds good, where do i go?
[06:19] <bob2> edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:19] <bob2> don't mark it as auto
[06:19] <borgmeister> ok
[06:20] <borgmeister> ive just removed the word auto
[06:20] <borgmeister> is that all i need to do?
[06:25] <bob2> no
[06:25] <bob2> you remove the line
[06:26] <mxpxpod> bob2: hey
[06:26] <bob2> hi
[06:27] <V1pr3X> so when I try and click in the clock in gnome and tell it to synchronize with internet servers it tells me to run ntp-support
[06:27] <mxpxpod> bob2: got the 2.6.9 linux-source?
[06:27] <bob2> V1pr3X: then do that?
[06:27] <wezzer> hmm
[06:27] <wezzer> i uploaded a picture to ftp server via nautilus
[06:27] <bob2> mxpxpod: no, gave up modifying it and just built a non-initrd kernel
[06:27] <mxpxpod> ah
[06:27] <borgmeister> bob2: thanks dude
[06:27] <wezzer> http://vekkis.sytes.net/~wezzer/smile.jpg - it looks like this
[06:28] <borgmeister> worked a charm
[06:28] <bob2> not that even that suspends
[06:28] <wezzer> then I uploaded same original picture with gftp to same server
[06:28] <bob2> because hardware hates me
[06:28] <mxpxpod> bob2: hoary just updated to 2.6.9, so I built an initdrd image last night with the sleep 6 patch
[06:28] <wezzer> http://vekkis.sytes.net/~wezzer/img_0242.jpg - it looks like this, which is correct
[06:28] <elfy> hi i've got a problem and i hope someone here can help :) i've installed ubuntu this morning onto a system with windows xp on already. i made a seperate partition for it and it's all worked fine. i said yes to the option to install the boot handler but now when i try to boot to windows it just hangs after doing the 4 commands. anyone help?
[06:28] <bob2> mxpxpod: oh, it did?
[06:28] <mxpxpod> bob2: yessir :)
[06:28] <bob2> mxpxpod: oh, kernel-source-2.6.9?
[06:28] <mxpxpod> bob2: no, linux-source-2.6.9
[06:28] <bob2> oh, yay
[06:29] <V1pr3X> there doesn't seem to be a command ntp-support
[06:29] <mxpxpod> bob2: I'm trying to find a backport patch of the therm_adt module now
[06:29] <bob2> V1pr3X: just run 'sudo ntpdate'.
[06:29] <bob2> mxpxpod: erm, isn't tha in the mainline 2.6?
[06:29] <mxpxpod> bob2: it's in 2.6.10-rc2
[06:29] <mxpxpod> bob2: they updated it to work better
[06:29] <wezzer> what's wrong with nautilus when uploading stuff to ftp-server?
[06:30] <bob2> mxpxpod: oh, colin leroy's stuff
[06:30] <V1pr3X> ntpdate is telling me no servers can be used, and exiting
[06:30] <mxpxpod> bob2: I think...
[06:30] <V1pr3X> the same when I run it with the flag to get past my firewall
[06:31] <bob2> V1pr3X: give it a server to use
[06:31] <bob2> the manpage is pretty clear on that, iirc
[06:32] <elfy> can anyone help?
[06:33] <ivar> anyone have experience setting up xinerama ?
[06:33] <mxpxpod> elfy: with what?
[06:33] <meff> anyone know how to get the trashbin in gnome to show up in hoary?
[06:33] <bob2> mxpxpod: did you use the alsa and sungem fixes colin had?
[06:33] <mac> meff you mean the trash applet?
[06:33] <Roptaty> meff: Install gnome-applets
[06:34] <mxpxpod> bob2: I think the alsa fixes are in benh's sleep patch 6
[06:34] <meff> says gnome-applets is installed already
[06:34] <meff> mac: yes
[06:34] <meff> theres just an empty space where it should be
[06:35] <ivar> also, is there an there a running changelog of what to expect in hoary ? my sound stopped working, and it'd be nice to know if it's just me or a general hoary problem...
[06:35] <mac> it just work on my pc, I did not have to do anything special on hoary to get it work
[06:35] <mxpxpod> elfy: don't msg people
[06:35] <mxpxpod> just ask your question
[06:35] <elfy> mxpxpod, , sorry if that was my fault >.<
[06:35] <elfy> hi i've got a problem and i hope someone here can help :) i've installed ubuntu this morning onto a system with windows xp on already. i made a seperate partition for it and it's all worked fine. i said yes to the option to install the boot handler but now when i try to boot to windows it just hangs after doing the 4 commands. anyone help?
[06:35] <JackandJohn> quick question; gnome is running like garbage - visibly redrawing the windows slowly, etc.. I have a tbird 1.4 and a radeon 9800 pro (yes, shhh) - would I resolve the gui issue by going to a real driver instead of the generic?
[06:36] <meff> your using framebuffer JackandJohn ?
[06:36] <meff> its painfully slow
[06:36] <JackandJohn> meff; not sure, I'm thiking I chose that
[06:36] <Roptaty> meff: Strange indeed. Try adding the wastebasket applet again to your panel?
[06:37] <thenuke> hey, does ubuntu have SATA-drivers in it even if I did not have SATA-HD when I installed it?
[06:37] <JackandJohn> elfy; sounds like a windows issue.. you may have to do an mbr format.. personally, I always use Xosl, and put the boot handler on the linux partition
[06:37] <thenuke> I guess I'm going to buy new SATA-HD and then make exact copy of the old non-SATA hd to new SATA-HD
[06:37] <thenuke> so I'm wondering if I still could get ubuntu to boot =)
[06:37] <meff> Roptaty: just tried that, now i cant ever right-click on the panel :o
[06:38] <meff> s/ever/even
[06:38] <Roptaty> meff: *evil grin* killall gnome-panel :D
[06:38] <jdr_> I just finished installing warty, and I realized I can't log in as root. How do I set the root password?
[06:38] <meff> will it restart Roptaty ?
[06:38] <Roptaty> meff: Hopefully ;)
[06:38] <wezzer> jdr_: check FAQ
[06:39] <elfy> JackandJohn, i'm new to linux, but what's a mbr format?
[06:39] <Roptaty> meff: Did you restart gnome after updating to hoary?
[06:39] <meff> Roptaty: yeah
[06:39] <meff> i gotta relogin :/ its all messed brb
[06:39] <wezzer> jdr_: sudo passwd root
[06:40] <Roptaty> jdr_: You dont need to set the root password. Your first user has permissions to use sudo
[06:40] <JackandJohn> elfy; the MBR - master boot record, is the part of the HD that's looked to when the computer starts.. tells the computer where to look for an operating system. You may need to go into ubunu, install grub (the boot loader for linux) into the linux partition, then boot from the XP disk, do repair, and type "format /MBR"
[06:41] <jdr_> wezzer, Thnks!
[06:41] <wezzer> you're welcome :)
[06:41] <JackandJohn> meff; is framebuffer preferable? and where would I check it?
[06:41] <jdr_> Roptaty, I tried to run synaptic, and it asked me for a password.
[06:41] <Roptaty> jdr_: Its your own password ;)
[06:42] <bob2> mxpxpod: ah
[06:42] <Kamion> thenuke: SATA drivers are there, yes
[06:42] <Kamion> thenuke: (may not be loaded)
[06:43] <jdr_> Roptaty, all fixed. Thanks.
[06:44] <elfy> JackandJohn, you think that's the only solution?
[06:44] <meff> Roptaty: reboot fixed it.. weird.. but im kinda scared to reboot lately cause it doesnt unmount my reiser partitions right (seems to segfault) then on boot it has to replay a bunch of transactions... on the ubuntu forums people are seeing similar..
[06:44] <Roptaty> JackandJohn: By typing format /mbr (or fixmbr) , he has also lost the possibility to boot up ubuntu.
[06:45] <elfy> Roptaty, so i wont be abe to boot windows or ubutu?
[06:45] <elfy> +n
[06:45] <Roptaty> elfy: You will be able to boot windows, hopefully, if its an MBR issue.
[06:46] <Roptaty> if it is... ;)
[06:46] <elfy> :/
[06:46] <JackandJohn> doing it that way, there is one more step needed to boot both, yes
[06:46] <JackandJohn> doing format /mbr should get windows back\
[06:46] <Roptaty> elfy: Then you may edit boot.ini in c:\ to start up ubuntu.
[06:47] <JackandJohn> then, you can edit boot.ini to include ubuntu, or install another boot manager to the MBR (xosl, etc)
[06:47] <JackandJohn> doh :)
[06:47] <elfy> can't i edit boot.ini and tell it to boot straight to doze and ignore ubuntu?
[06:47] <KeyserSoze> anyone been able to get cedega/point2play to work on amd64?
[06:47] <Roptaty> JackandJohn: HAH! ;)
[06:47] <JackandJohn> elfy; yes
[06:47] <JackandJohn> but why would you want that?
[06:48] <Roptaty> elfy: You may edit boot.ini so you can boot up both windows and ubuntu.
[06:48] <elfy> well it'd be a nice simple way of doing it
[06:48] <elfy> ignore that line
[06:48] <JackandJohn> elfy; I possibly see what you are trying to do; editing boot.ini won't matter until you do an mbr format
[06:48] <elfy> ah ok
[06:48] <elfy> yes that's what i emnt :)
[06:48] <JackandJohn> :)
[06:48] <elfy> ment as well :)
[06:48] <JackandJohn> not always an easy way out unfortunately
[06:49] <Roptaty> elfy, JackandJohn: There is strange however that grub fucks up his mbr in such a way...
[06:50] <JackandJohn> the other option, if you havn't configured ubuntu yet, and don't care, is to do an mbr format right off the bat, then reinstall ubuntu - putting the boot manager on the linux partition (there is a prompt), then edit boot.ini after
[06:50] <elfy> it does 4 commands when i select windows xp after the fourth it just hangs
[06:50] <mxpxpod> why do I have a /.dev?
[06:50] <JackandJohn> Roptaty; strange, but not altogether uncommon.. winXP can boot past the 1024 sector mark if you really want it to, but as soon as you touch the mbr you are screwed
[06:51] <Fwiffo> elfy: I'm coming in right in the middle of this discussion, but what you are talking about sounds lige a known problem with grub - have you tried changing from CHS to LBA in your bios to get grub working?
[06:52] <Roptaty> elfy: First of all, fix the mbr.. if the windows starts successfully, then we can talk about fixing up your ubuntu installation :D
[06:52] <Fwiffo> elfy: that sometimes eliminates tre problem
[06:52] <JackandJohn> Roptaty; yes, good idea
[06:53] <Fwiffo> elfy: this should help without changing anything else
[06:53] <elfy> well i'll give Fwiffo's idea a try. otherwise it involves having to _find_ my xp cd :)
[06:53] <Fwiffo> elfy: hehe
[06:54] <Fwiffo> at least it's a quick try
[06:54] <elfy> brb mebbe
[06:54] <Fwiffo> :)
[06:55] <V1pr3X> okay...I can run ntpdate, but when I try and specify to the Gnome clock to stay synced with the internet time servers it still tells me to run ntp-support
[06:56] <V1pr3X> or rather NTP  support needs to be running
[06:57] <JackandJohn> question: is framebuffer a good thing for a modern system? (should it speed up the gnome UI), and how do I check/set it?
[06:58] <V1pr3X> do I need to download some additional ntp package to get my system to stay synced with the ntp clocks?
[06:58] <Fwiffo> JackandJohn: as I understand it it should not do anything for you in X (gnome), it is only for console mode I think
[06:59] <digitus> how can i switch python syntax hightling on in vim?
[07:00] <JackandJohn> yeah, that's what it looks like to me as well... The problem is my gnome UI is sucking hardcore (visibly redrawing windows, etc) - and I have a tbird 1.4 with a 9800 pro, so this should not be the case
[07:00] <Kamion> mxpxpod: udev creates that; it's a copy of /dev from before udev started
[07:00] <Kamion> digitus: :syntax on
[07:00] <Fwiffo> ok, sounds a bit strange
[07:00] <mxpxpod> Kamion: why does it keep it?
[07:01] <Fwiffo> JackandJohn: which driver are you using for X?
[07:01] <subterrific> digitus: you probably also want to do :nocompatibility
[07:01] <Kamion> digitus: if it doesn't spot python automatically, :setf python
[07:01] <Kamion> mxpxpod: emergencies
[07:01] <JackandJohn> I'm not sure exactly.. I did the packages for ati, but I didn't configure anything specifically (besides resolution)
[07:02] <JackandJohn> Fwiffo; it shows "	Identifier	"ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon 9800 Pro (R350 NH)"" and "Driver "ati""
[07:03] <Fwiffo> ok, try changing ati to radeon and log out/in of gnome
[07:03] <digitus> thx subter.. and Kamion
[07:03] <elfy> Fwiffo, , that worked :D
[07:03] <Fwiffo> elfy: super!
[07:04] <subterrific> Fwiffo: logging out doesn't restart X does it?
[07:04] <JackandJohn> Fwiffo; just change the line in XF86-Config-4?
[07:04] <Sensebend> subterrific control alt bsp
[07:04] <Sensebend> backspace
[07:04] <Sensebend> to restart X
[07:04] <RuffianSoldier> yes
[07:04] <Fwiffo> subterrific: I think it should be enough
[07:04] <elfy> got into windows, tried to get on here realised it wasn't configured for the fact i moved my adsl modem to wnother computer on my lan cause i couldn't get it to work on here gave up and came back
[07:04] <subterrific> Sensebend: i know, but Fwiffo is telling someone to logout to change X11 drivers
[07:04] <subterrific> Fwiffo: it isn't, you need to restart X11 totally
[07:04] <Sensebend> yeah
[07:05] <Fwiffo> subterrific: ok
[07:05] <JackandJohn> elfy; check your ip on the other computer, if you get 10.lx, call them
[07:05] <Roptaty> Sensebend: control+art+bsp is a nasty way to restart x
[07:05] <Sensebend> you need to restart X
[07:05] <Sensebend> yes Roptaty, the quick and dirty way :)
[07:05] <Fwiffo> JackandJohn: yes in XF86config-4
[07:05] <subterrific> i usually cntrl-alt-f1 to a console and /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:05] <JackandJohn> elfy; 10.x, I mean
[07:05] <elfy> JackandJohn, apparently i've got some other stuff i need to install to get my uselass adsl modem to be recognised
[07:05] <JackandJohn> ok, I'm going to change it and reboot entirely
[07:06] <JackandJohn> elfy - there is a manual registration, unless you have a USB modem, just give the ISP a call, takes 5min
[07:06] <Fwiffo> JackandJohn: ok, you could also just change to a console and do a killall X i guess
[07:06] <elfy> JackandJohn, , usb modem? me? *checks* damnit you found me out
[07:06] <JackandJohn> lol :P
[07:07] <JackandJohn> evil usb modems
[07:07] <elfy> i'll stick with the lan internet tilli've got other stuff sorted
[07:07] <elfy> so who's gonna talk this n00b through updating tot he latest version of firefox then?
[07:08] <Moof> not I
[07:08] <JackandJohn> synaptic :)
[07:08] <gilligan_> hi
[07:09] <JackandJohn> k, brb hopefully :)
[07:09] <Fwiffo> :)
[07:09] <gilligan_> does anyone know of ppc mplayer deb files ? cant find any and there are some probs with compiling mplayer for ppc appearently..
[07:12] <Fwiffo> gilligan_: have you tried the Marillat repository?
[07:12] <gilligan_> Fwiffo: that is for i386 packages only
[07:13] <Fwiffo> ok, Im to no help then :(
[07:20] <mulux> the byte counters for network-interfaces seems to be 32bit, is there any way I can get 64bit data? I've tried getting the data from snmp without any success, any suggestions?
[07:21] <mxpxpod> Kamion: ok, why does /.dev show up now, but it didn't used to?
[07:21] <Kamion> mxpxpod: "used to" in what system?
[07:21] <mxpxpod> Kamion: warty, for sure
[07:22] <Kamion> no idea
[07:22] <hoarycripple> does warty use xorg or xfree by default?
[07:23] <mjr> xfree
[07:23] <elfy> i followed the unofficial faq thing for mounting my fat32 partitions and drives, i can see them in /mnt but they're not in the folder? anyway way of getting them in there?
[07:23] <hoarycripple> are xorg packages available?
[07:24] <mjr> not officially, at least
[07:29] <hoarycripple> alright thanks
[07:29] <hoarycripple> i was just concerned about my wacom tablet and xfree
[07:29] <bob2> elfy: 'not in the folder'?
[07:29] <elfy> er
[07:30] <elfy> not in the drive folder
[07:30] <hoarycripple> but i remember now that the bug i am thinking of is not related
[07:30] <elfy> disks i mean
[07:32] <elfy> Computer --> Disks i seeflo[y cd rom filesystem and netowrk, but not the others
[07:34] <cocozz> where can I donwload the hoarty version ???
[07:34] <cocozz> I only see the warty
[07:35] <bob2> cocozz: you know it's the development version that's kinda broken right now, right?
[07:35] <cocozz> I see ok
[07:35] <bob2> like I can't boot my hoary laptop atm without manual intervention
[07:35] <cocozz> :/
[07:35] <bob2> do you know how to work around umount segfaulting?
[07:38] <Fwiffo> bob2: Not very nice :(
[07:38] <bob2> Fwiffo: what isn't?
[07:39] <Fwiffo> bob2: the segfault
[07:39] <bob2> Fwiffo: ah, yeah
[07:39] <Fwiffo> mine seems ok though
[07:39] <bob2> noly hitting some people it seems
[07:40] <Fwiffo> do you still see UTF-8 warnings when launching stuff since the last Xorg update?
[07:40] <stevecart> Hi - is anyone able to help me with a network configuration problem?
[07:41] <Fwiffo> I thought my warnings would go away when bug #3645 was fixed but nothing seems to have changed with my system :/
[07:42] <Fwiffo> stevecart: Tell us whats the matter, then we might be able to answer at least your first question ;)
[07:45] <Fwiffo> Running Hoary, does anyone still se stuff like "Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C" when launching fx. emacs in at gnome-terminal?
[07:46] <stevecart> OK - I am completely new to ubuntu and have obtained the Live CD that enables me to try it out. The machine I am trying it on is on a LAN on which the other computers are all running Windows XP, so the network is a Windows one. When I try to configure the Network in ubuntu and try to log on to the Windows network, I get the message that SMB system is not available and needs to be installed, but there are no instructionbs that I can f
[07:46] <Fwiffo> That is of couse when using a UTF-8 locale
[07:46] <stratus> What are you using for database stuff ? There's a friend asking about gtk+2 pgadmin3 alternatives. anyone?
[07:47] <stratus> stevecart, search for 'samba' at www.ubuntu.com/wiki, hope that helps.
[07:47] <cardador> stevecart: i dont think you can install software with the live-cd
[07:48] <elfy> where can i get the dev package for zliblg?
[07:48] <stevecart> Yes Cardador, I understand that, but I get the impression that SMB is meant to be part of the system.
[07:48] <Kamion> zlib1g-dev
[07:48] <Kamion> elfy: note 1 (one) not l (ell)
[07:48] <cardador> stevecart: its not installed by default
[07:49] <elfy> Kamion, apt-get install z1ib1g-dev ?
[07:49] <stevecart> cardador: no, its not installed by default. But, how can I try the system if I cannot access the network?
[07:49] <Kamion> elfy: yeah
[07:50] <cardador> stevecart: install ubuntu on the hard-disk :)
[07:50] <elfy> E: Couldn't find package z1ib1g-dev
[07:50] <stratus> stevecart, what network? internet or are you trying to mount any share at a windows system?
[07:51] <cardador> elfy: zlib1g-dev
[07:51] <bob2> elfy: zlib not z1ib
[07:51] <cardador> elfy: its an "i" not "1"
[07:51] <cardador> sorry "l"
[07:52] <elfy> E: Couldn't find package zlib1g-dev
[07:52] <WebMaven> 'el' not 'one'
[07:52] <cardador> elfy: use synaptic to install stuff, its easier than comand line
[07:52] <bob2> elfy: well, it's there
[07:52] <bob2> Package: zlib1g-dev
[07:52] <bob2> Package: zlib1g-dev
[07:52] <cardador> elfy: computer > syst conf > synaptic
[07:53] <ulisse> Hi list
[07:53] <stevecart> stratus: the m/c is on a LAN. Ubuntu recognises the NIC and I can set the addresses with no problem, but it will not connect to the network, even though I have entered the numbers correctly (several times :-) )
[07:53] <elfy> cardador, ok
[07:53] <ulisse> I have just reinstalled hoary, but I'm having troubled with k3b
[07:53] <cardador> stevecart: so the problem is not samba
[07:54] <ulisse> If I run dpkg --configure k3b I get an error, same with sed
[07:54] <ulisse> I remember that there was a problem with sed package, time ago
[07:54] <elfy> cardador, onyl one showing is zlib1g no dev according to this
[07:54] <ulisse> Could it be the same isue?
[07:54] <stratus> stevecart, can you ping your gateway or any machine around? are you using dhcp or have you configured the network manually?
[07:55] <bob2> elfy: do you have the ubuntu archive available or are you just using the cd?
[07:55] <stratus> stevecart, what's the NIC ?
[07:55] <cardador> elfy: on synaptic go to settings > repositories > uncheck the cd line and check the one below
[07:55] <bob2> stratus: erm, I'm pretty sure stevecart's problem is notr with the actual network setup
[07:55] <stevecart> cardador: in the network setup there is a radio button that enables the interface with Windows network, and the help file says that one should be able to click on this and enter the LAN name etc. It is when I click this radio button that I get the message that the SMB system needs to be installed.
[07:55] <WebMaven> I forgot how to install a package I downloaded.
[07:56] <stratus> bob2, why?
[07:56] <bob2> stratus: because that stuff generally Just Works
[07:56] <cardador> WebMaven:sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[07:56] <stevecart> startus: NIC = Network Interface Card
[07:56] <bob2> stevecart: can you ping other machines?
[07:56] <WebMaven> thx!
[07:56] <elfy> \o/
[07:56] <stratus> stevecart, what? is it a wifi card or ethernet card?
[07:56] <elfy> thanks guys
[07:56] <stevecart> stratus: ethernet
[07:57] <stratus> stevecart, right can you ping your gateway or any machine around?
[07:57] <stratus> stevecart, do you know how to resolve names? can you do that?
[07:57] <stevecart> stratus: Not quite sure how to ping in ubuntu
[07:58] <stratus> stevecart, Applications -> System Tools -> Network Tools
[07:59] <stevecart> stratus: Will try it - I will have to reboot the m/c first - it may take a couple of minutes.
[07:59] <stratus> stevecart, wait.
[07:59] <stratus> stevecart, check 'ping' and 'lookup' there
[08:00] <stratus> stevecart, if you can't do it your problem isn't with samba client stuff.
[08:01] <ubuntutester> I have Home PNA internet connection works with ubuntu live cd but not with installed ubuntu.
[08:02] <ubuntutester> any ideas I can give more information or should I use bugzilla
[08:02] <lamont_r> ubuntutester: wierd
[08:02] <lamont_r> lspci output would be good
[08:02] <lamont_r> and /proc/interrupts contents
[08:03] <lamont_r> and /proc/io*
[08:04] <DeadlyNightshade> hey all
[08:04] <wezzer> hello
[08:04] <DeadlyNightshade> how are you wezzer?
[08:04] <wezzer> fine, thanks
[08:04] <wezzer> and you?
[08:04] <DeadlyNightshade> not to bad, just downloading a file
[08:05] <wezzer> is it a big file?
[08:05] <DeadlyNightshade> wezzer: 500 megs and a bit more
[08:05] <ubuntutester> thanks when hotplug subsystem starts my link led goes out
[08:06] <wezzer> wow
[08:06] <ulisse> I get an error installing kcontrol on hoary, nobody knows about?
[08:06] <stevecart> stratus: When I hev gone through the network setup wizard, and entered the numbers etc. manually, and then agreed to the network connection being setup a, closed the wizard, nothing else will open - not any of the applications nor the system tools network program mentioned above. In order to do anything else after configuring the network, I have to reboot the whole program and that, with the Live CD, means starting all over again!
[08:06] <Gwildor|work> ulisse, I had that same problem
[08:06] <ulisse> Gwildor|work, what did you do?
[08:07] <Gwildor|work> ulisse, went without it
[08:07] <ulisse> Gwildor|work, and does K3B works?
[08:07] <Gwildor|work> ulisse, kde still works, you just cant do stuff like configure the taskbar, well cont configure too much at all
[08:07] <stratus> stevecart, oh have you rebooted and after ?
[08:07] <Gwildor|work> ulisse, I didn't try k3b, I was isntalling kde
[08:08] <ulisse> ah, ok
[08:08] <ulisse> thanks
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> ulisse, iw as just letting you know that I have the same problem, tha it isnt just you
[08:09] <stevecart> stratus: Yes - I rebooted and started again.  I have done this several times, but get no further. When I have configured the network using the wizard, the system sxeems to lock up.
[08:09] <stratus> stevecart, weird.
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, what one did you pick?
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, iso that is?
[08:10] <DeadlyNightshade> I'm assuming the i386 iso is the one I should be using, on the basis its the most common architecture sold here
[08:10] <Gwildor|work> yeah
[08:10] <blahrg> ... i feel like a moron but is there some special way to set the admin pass in this, i am used to gentoos manual config...
[08:10] <Kamion> DeadlyNightshade: if you don't know, you probably have i386
[08:10] <stevecart> Stratus: so, how do i install this SMB support it is asking for?
[08:10] <DeadlyNightshade> Kamion: I wasnt sure but guessed
[08:10] <Gwildor|work> blahrg, umm, user pass is root pass through sudo, if that is what you are asking
[08:11] <blahrg> hm lemme try that :P
[08:11] <stratus> stevecart, with the live cd you can't install.
[08:12] <Gwildor|work> blahrg, sudo apt-get update, is an example, it will promt for a password, it is your user pass
[08:12] <blahrg> oh, what about the actual "root" pass though
[08:12] <jaardsi> Hi
[08:12] <DeadlyNightshade> hello jaardsi
[08:12] <stratus> stevecart, it seems that you've a problem to setup your network and it doesn't depends on samba.
[08:12] <DeadlyNightshade> blahrg: wasnt they set at your install?
[08:13] <stevecart> stratus: Ok - I'll have to try putting it on a hard disk. Can I do that with the live CD, or do i need a different iso?
[08:13] <blahrg> doesnt ask
[08:13] <DeadlyNightshade> stevecart: you should be able to save to your hd
[08:13] <blahrg> i have the old cd from beta and i just update every time i install
[08:13] <blahrg> my friend always set it for me so blah
[08:13] <stratus> stevecart, the installation can't fit on the live cd you'll need a installation cd.
[08:14] <stevecart> stratus: thanks for your help and patience. Bye.
[08:14] <stratus> stevecart, you can still order warty cd's for free (each package came with a live and a install cd), it's really cool.
[08:14] <stratus> stevecart, of course if you want to test it now it's better download the iso and burn yourself.
[08:15] <stratus> stevecart, np.
[08:15] <Sensebend> I've never recieved my CDs yet
[08:15] <stevecart> stratus: I'll do that.  bye bye.
[08:15] <Sensebend> speaking of the CDs
[08:15] <wezzer> when did you order 'em?
[08:15] <Sensebend> at least a month ago
[08:15] <wezzer> oh
[08:15] <wezzer> strange
[08:15] <stratus> There are rumours that santa claus will distribute ubuntu cd's at x-mas.
[08:15] <Sensebend> re-request some?
[08:15] <DeadlyNightshade> stratus: I dont have enough cd's
[08:16] <stratus> DeadlyNightshade, are you santa?
[08:16] <DeadlyNightshade> someone asked me if I was
[08:16] <stratus> hah
[08:16] <DeadlyNightshade> I should really shave if i'm planning on doing any travel
[08:16] <Sensebend> DeadlyNightshade, has been a naughty naughty boy
[08:17] <Sensebend> sorry couldn't resist
[08:17] <stratus> DeadlyNightshade, nah ask for more cd's and distribute them around at x-mas.
[08:17] <DeadlyNightshade> Sensebend: between that and "Mummy mummy, that man has hair like a lady!" I'm planning on shaving the beard and the hair
[08:17] <DeadlyNightshade> stratus: if I did that my friends would put them in after they've booted up and bitch at me for dud cd's
[08:18] <Gwildor|work> my live cd's work
[08:18] <stratus> hah
[08:18] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: no when you load from windows they dont ;)
[08:18] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, the auto start, with the firefox installer and stuff?
[08:18] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, that works too, but I didn't try to install from it
[08:19] <stratus> load from windows?
[08:19] <DeadlyNightshade> stratus: "There is mac, and windows. We use windows" and refuse to let me fiddle with their machine - upside they have the safest windows machine I've seen in years
[08:20] <stratus> Is Santa using Windows? I doubt.
[08:20] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, huh, my livecd's work perfect
[08:20] <Fwiffo> Running Hoary, does anyone still see stuff like "Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C" when launching fx. emacs in at gnome-terminal?
[08:20] <Fwiffo> That is of couse when using a UTF-8 locale
[08:20] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: yes but I'm sure you put them in before windows loaded up
[08:20] <stratus> You can't delivery all the gifts with a infrastructure running that crap!
[08:20] <daniels> Fwiffo: upgrade
[08:20] <Kamion> Fwiffo: known bug, we thought we'd fixed it but obviously not
[08:20] <Fwiffo> I thought my warnings would go away when bug #3645 was fixed but nothing seems to have changed with my system :/
[08:20] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, nope, im on windows right now.......ill put it in
[08:20] <Kamion> daniels: somebody reported it with current I thought?
[08:20] <daniels> Fwiffo: i fixed it in xorg yesterday -- which version of xlibs-data are you running?
[08:21] <daniels> Kamion: where was that?
[08:21] <Fwiffo> 2 sec
[08:21] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, it just went in
[08:21] <DeadlyNightshade> did it load up into Ubuntu?
[08:22] <bronson_> Anyone know how to format a floppy disk in Ubuntu?
[08:22] <Fwiffo> daniels: xlibs-data 6.8.1-1ubuntu4
[08:22] <bronson_> I know how to mkfs.vfat, but I figure there's got to be a better way.
[08:22] <DeadlyNightshade> bloody savage :P
[08:22] <bronson_> Well, I'm trying to format my SD card.
[08:22] <bronson_> I figure if I can do the floppy, I can do the SD card the same way.  :)
[08:22] <DeadlyNightshade> hey Gwildor|work :D
[08:23] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, it autoloaded to a popup windows that says ubuntulinux, and it has a OOoo installer, thunderbird installer, and a FF installer
[08:23] <DeadlyNightshade> yeah, but can you use ubuntu itself?
[08:23] <daniels> stvn: ah, er
[08:23] <DeadlyNightshade> they wont need thunderbird or firefox at the moment
[08:23] <daniels> stvn: oh, nevermind
[08:23] <bronson_> It says in the Nautilus docs to right-click on the desktop icon and select "Format", but ain't no "Format" in that menu.
[08:24] <stvn> hm
[08:24] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, from windows???, it says boot from this CD to try ubuntu, or try some of these apps
[08:24] <Kamion> daniels: right there, and I'm pretty sure I saw similar a while back
[08:24] <DeadlyNightshade> yeah, they arent comp people they can use word and game [barely]  and thats it
[08:25] <daniels> Kamion: weird
[08:25] <daniels> Fwiffo: which locale?
[08:25] <Sensebend> umm Microsoft Word can be a complicated application
[08:25] <Sensebend> when you get into scripting it and accessing databases
[08:25] <DeadlyNightshade> Sensebend: basic typing and so forth
[08:25] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, you know, set your boot order (bios), put in the CD, restart
[08:25] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: I KNOW that, they dont
[08:26] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, DSL has something that you can run from WITHIN windows
[08:26] <DeadlyNightshade> my bios is always set to the cd drive first - annoying when I forget about the music cd
[08:26] <DeadlyNightshade> DSL?
[08:26] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, damn small linux
[08:26] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: I was joking about my friends comnputer abilities/knowledge
[08:26] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, has a .exe or something that you can run it as an app in windows
[08:26] <DeadlyNightshade> how bloody pointless :P
[08:27] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, I just thought you were saying that the live D's don't work,  sorry
[08:27] <Gwildor|work> cd's*
[08:27] <Fwiffo> daniels: en_DK.UTF-8
[08:27] <DeadlyNightshade> he wouldnt trust me to put a live cd into his machine and change the bios settings
[08:27] <vinic_> hi! I've had a bug and the bar in the bottom of the screen (sorry I'm french so I dont know how its called in english) has disappeared. How can I launch it again?
[08:27] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, are you seriouse???
[08:28] <DeadlyNightshade> Yeah
[08:28] <Gwildor|work> jeez
[08:28] <Gwildor|work> whats he got...a dell?
[08:28] <DeadlyNightshade> he let me do what upgrades I could on his machine, shoul;d have change the bios
[08:28] <Gwildor|work> yeah
[08:28] <DeadlyNightshade> no an ancient corpse of a packerd bell
[08:28] <Gwildor|work> hahaha
[08:28] <Gwildor|work> that's why...touch the bios, and the tape starts to fall of
[08:28] <Gwildor|work> off*
[08:28] <DeadlyNightshade> had 15 megs of ram and I was laughin
[08:29] <Gwildor|work> lol
[08:29] <Kamion> Fwiffo: is that locale definitely generated? check /etc/locale.gen
[08:29] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, buld him a beatrix box for like 200 bucks
[08:29] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: we dont use bucks here :P but with all the spare parts I have lying around I could build him a decent machine
[08:30] <restrex> eaa hi :P
[08:30] <DeadlyNightshade> hi reformed
[08:30] <DeadlyNightshade> restrex*
[08:30] <Fwiffo> Kamion: there is a line "en_DK.UTF-8 UTF-8"
[08:30] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, meant 200 dollars,
[08:30] <restrex> jejeje
[08:30] <Gwildor|work> us
[08:30] <DeadlyNightshade> yeah uhm I cant build a machine on 100 [pounds sterling] 
[08:31] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, no idea how much that is....
[08:31] <daniels> Fwiffo: weird.  works with en_AU.UTF-8, but not en_DK.UTF-8.  let me take a look.
[08:31] <DeadlyNightshade> roughly 200 dollars given current rates
[08:31] <Gwildor|work> ahh....kk
[08:31] <DeadlyNightshade> for 400 I scrounged and built this baby 3 months back and irs still purring
[08:32] <Fwiffo> daniels: ok. thank you very much :)
[08:32] <vinic_> Please help, my bottom panel doesnt show opened apps anymore... How can I launch it back?
[08:32] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, im running a 250 dollar box, 1.2ghz 256 ram
[08:33] <DeadlyNightshade> 1.8ghz, 256 megs, 98 gigs in 2 hd's, geforce 440 mx, dvd burner, new case, new mobo
[08:34] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, not bad for 400
[08:34] <DeadlyNightshade> getting a new monitor and vid card
[08:34] <Gwildor|work> yeah, I need nvidea, and a biger monitor
[08:34] <Gwildor|work> bigger*
[08:34] <DeadlyNightshade> mmm ati radeon [big number's] 
[08:34] <Fwiffo> daniels: you might want to check ru_RU.UTF-8 also, it seem someone on the devel-mailinglist has a problem that is very similar
[08:34] <Gwildor|work> radeon 7000
[08:35] <DeadlyNightshade> 6800 I believe
[08:35] <Gwildor|work> I have the 7000
[08:35] <Gwildor|work> 64mb
[08:35] <DeadlyNightshade> nice
[08:35] <Gwildor|work> ehh
[08:35] <Gwildor|work> runs ET fine for me....that really all I play
[08:35] <Gwildor|work> could be a lot better though
[08:38] <daniels> Fwiffo: ok, thanks for the tip
[08:40] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: 128mg 9800se
[08:40] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, I want one
[08:41] <DeadlyNightshade> I should be getting one in my dads 'I want MY vid card back' attempt, and i'll gladly take it
[08:41] <DeadlyNightshade> bbl, getting ready for night out
[08:41] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, got a fx 5200 in my box here at work, should swap that for my radeon 7000
[08:42] <DeadlyNightshade> see you all laterino's
[08:42] <Gwildor|work> laters
[08:55] <oling> hello. i'm looking for a HOWTO that explains how to boot from an external usb drive
[08:56] <oling> i did this with Fedora 2, but i have no idea how to customize initrd.img in ubuntu
[08:59] <Gwildor|work> oling, what do you want to boot?, beatrix is already made o boot from USB, it is ubuntu based
[08:59] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: he stated it was for Ubuntu
[09:00] <oling> i want to boot my ubuntu installation from an USB drive
[09:01] <oling> gwildor|work: where can i find it?
[09:01] <slysy81> I have created a link file wrong in /lib/modules, can someone tell me how to delete it please? Using Ubuntu
[09:02] <slysy81> I can delete as normal I think I need root?
[09:02] <Gwildor|work> oling, www.watskey.net
[09:02] <Gwildor|work> oling, http://www.watsky.net/ sorry
[09:02] <Gwildor|work> spelled it wrong
[09:02] <oling> thx
[09:03] <oling> but i already have installed ubuntu on this drive... (i will read the watsky website, never herad about it before)
[09:03] <Gwildor|work> oling, it is a live distro, that you can run from pen drive (usb), or you can install if you want
[09:04] <slysy81> Gwildor do you know how I can delete it? I need to correct it to setup ndis wrapper
[09:04] <oling> betrix: "Its next release WILL boot from a USB pendrive and compact flash".
[09:05] <Gwildor|work> oling, its done, go to #beatrix for more help, they may have aurl for the download
[09:05] <Gwildor|work> slysy81, delete what?........if its beatrix stuff, go to #beatrix
[09:05] <oling> thx... i think i only need their kernel... but they could help me for sure... thanks very much
[09:06] <slysy81> I am using Ubuntu. Was trying to create a link to the kernel soruce in /lib/module directory but made a typo
[09:06] <slysy81> I want to delete the link
[09:06] <Gwildor|work> slysy81, no idea......noob
[09:07] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: you are a n00b or s/he is because s/he doenst know how
[09:07] <slysy81> Yes I am actually very new to Ubuntu and Linux which I guess is why Im asking for help
[09:07] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, I am a noob
[09:07] <elfy> hey guys, how can i watch avi's mpg's ? totem doesn't like them and xine wont install :s
[09:08] <mjr> elfy, I recommend installing totem-xine
[09:08] <DeadlyNightshade> slysy81: there is a difference betwixt beginner and n00b
[09:08] <elfy> mjr can i get it through synaptic?
[09:08] <slysy81> Could someone tell me what I have to enter at the terminal/command line to delete a file then please?
[09:08] <mjr> yes
[09:09] <mjr> slysy81, rm filename
[09:09] <Gwildor|work> betwixt......how did you get that?....lol
[09:09] <Treenaks> DeadlyNightshade: hey! you? here?
[09:09] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: I read far too many books youngling
[09:09] <Treenaks> DeadlyNightshade: :)
[09:09] <slysy81> thanks mjr
[09:09] <DeadlyNightshade> Treenaks: your the goit that talked me into d/ling the ubuntu distro
[09:09] <DeadlyNightshade> and I've been here for hours
[09:10] <Treenaks> DeadlyNightshade: what's wrong with it? :)
[09:10] <elfy> mjr, searched for xine and installed all of those that came up, anything else i need to do?
[09:10] <DeadlyNightshade> live CD is the problem - want the install
[09:10] <slysy81> Also I followed this http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363 to install ndiswrapper but it installs v0.10 instead of v0.12, anyone know why?
[09:10] <mjr> elfy, shouldn't
[09:11] <elfy> mjr, er, i'm a total n00b, do i just run the normal totem now or what?
[09:11] <mjr> elfy, well, you might need some non-free codecs from marillat to play certain files (see the RestrictedFormats wiki), but basic xvid stuff etc should play
[09:11] <mjr> elfy, yes
[09:12] <DeadlyNightshade> Treenaks: know any reliable doze mp3/wma->8.ogg converters?
[09:12] <Treenaks> DeadlyNightshade: you don't want that
[09:12] <Treenaks> DeadlyNightshade: you want to keep lossless files in the format they're in
[09:12] <Treenaks> DeadlyNightshade: uh lossy files
[09:12] <Treenaks> lossless files you can convert
[09:12] <DeadlyNightshade> ?
[09:13] <Gwildor|work> DeadlyNightshade, I appologize, I thought betwixt was a typo, it is an actually word, I am truly sorry
[09:13] <elfy> mjr, i keep getting failed to open:reason unknown
[09:13] <DeadlyNightshade> Gwildor: its okay
[09:13] <Gwildor|work> :)
[09:13] <mjr> elfy, then you might want to see said wiki page
[09:14] <elfy> ok
[09:14] <mjr> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:15] <Sensebend> agreed Treenaks
[09:15] <Sensebend> nothing sounds worse than recompressed lossy audio
[09:15] <Sensebend> just rip to flac and be done with it
[09:15] <Sensebend> :)
[09:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> what program do I need to see tex files?
[09:18] <Sensebend> _|Imanewbie|_ vim
[09:18] <Sensebend> nano, emacs
[09:18] <Sensebend> etc
[09:19] <Sensebend> find one you like and learn it
[09:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> Sensebend: and to edit them
[09:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> ?
[09:19] <Sensebend> they are editors
[09:19] <Sensebend> I figured that's what you wanted
[09:21] <oling> ohci/uhci/ehci compiled in the kernel do i have to add them to the initrd.img when i want to boot from  an usb disk?
[09:23] <_|Imanewbie|_> Sensebend: can you name the editor?
[09:27] <_|Imanewbie|_> elfy: whats is your problem?
[09:27] <DeadlyNightshade> cant hack the lingo?
[09:28] <jorgegaspar> Hola a todos
[09:28] <Moof> hola
[09:30] <DeadlyNightshade> bye everyone
[09:31] <_|Imanewbie|_> does anyone here plays hattrick?
[09:32] <zenwhen> Oh fuck
[09:32] <zenwhen> oops
[09:32] <Gwildor|work> hehe
[09:33] <oling> okay, it seems that nobody can help me with my usb-drive question. :-) any idea where i can look for infos?
[09:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> oling: www.google.com ?
[09:34] <_|Imanewbie|_> oling: :p
[09:34] <oling> good idea!
[09:34] <oling> ;-)
[09:34] <oling> you only have to tell me the words i have to search for
[09:35] <oling> _|Imanewbie|_: i'm googling for hours... :-)))
[09:38] <_|Imanewbie|_> Imho google isnt that much ppl say
[09:39] <topyli> _|Imanewbie|_: not much. just information :)
[09:39] <topyli> _|Imanewbie|_: btw, your nick sucks. hard to type.
[09:39] <Gwildor|work> haha
[09:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> topyli: use tab completation
[09:40] <spity> hi
[09:40] <spity> i'd like to ask whether ubuntu has some outside developer or whether they all are employed at canonical
[09:40] <_|Imanewbie|_> topyli: as long you can type _ and tab you will be able to call me
[09:40] <topyli> _|Imanewbie|_: sure, after i've typed _|ima :(
[09:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> topyli: try _
[09:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> _+tab returns _|Imanewbie|_ here
[09:41] <Gwildor|work> spity, NOT ALL DEVS ARE CANONICAL EMPLOYEES...sorry caps
[09:41] <topyli> __|Imanewbie|_ i get two nicks
[09:41] <spity> Gwildor|work: thanks
[09:41] <_|Imanewbie|_> not __ it is _
[09:42] <RuffianSoldier> spity, Canonical is just the company that funds and organizes everything basically
[09:42] <spity> aha, thanks for info
[09:42] <topyli> _|Imanewbie|_: sure. i get cheekbyjons nick as an alternative. why can't you use a plain old nick like everybody else? :)
[09:43] <_|Imanewbie|_> topyli: Cause someone else have already registered Imanewbie
[09:44] <Maragato> can use my alternative nicks
[09:44] <Maragato> *cant
[09:44] <topyli> Maragato: heh, thanks -- i don't want to be a pain in the arse, it's just how i was made =)
[09:45] <Maragato> topyli: it has been already registered, I will think about simple ubber nick to register and make you happy =p
[09:46] <topyli> Maragato: i simply picked a nick nobody would want =)
[09:47] <Maragato> well I gtg cya  folks
[09:52] <Gwildor|work> when apt downloads packages, and installes (or upgrades them), do the downloaded files get deleted, or do I have a thousand .deb's on my HDD somewhere?
[09:53] <mv6> after i install unbuntu and try to boot it, it brings me to a login prompt
[09:54] <mv6> i login as root, how do i start the graphical part of it?  whats the command
[09:54] <mulux> Gwildor: `apt-get clean` to remove the archives (or so I think...)
[09:54] <Gwildor|work> startx
[09:54] <mv6> i think i tried that
[09:54] <mv6> hold on let me try again
[09:54] <Gwildor|work> mulux, thnx, ill try that when I get home
[09:54] <mv6> says command not found
[09:54] <mulux> might want to try 'apt-get -s clean' first, and it will only simulate the clean
[09:55] <Gwildor|work> mulux, kk, I will
[09:55] <wood1> Hi to all
[09:56] <mv6> it says root #  so I do start x
[09:56] <wood1> Is somebody else here getting problems while updating Hoary ?
[09:56] <mv6> or startx
[09:56] <bronson> wood1: no.  what problem are you getting?
[09:56] <m00se> wood1: what problems?
[09:56] <Gwildor|work> mv6 startx
[09:57] <mv6> it says command not found...
[09:57] <Gwildor|work> hmmm
[09:57] <Gwildor|work> you just installed?
[09:57] <mv6> yeah
[09:57] <bronson> mv6: does /usr/bin/X11/startx exist?
[09:57] <mv6> how do i check?
[09:57] <mv6> im at a prompt
[09:58] <mv6> root@computer #
[09:58] <bronson> ls /usr/bin/X11/startx
[09:58] <bronson> Prints the filename if it exists or "File not found" if not.
[09:58] <wood1> Well yesterday it was an Openoffice problem
[09:58] <mv6> damn.  it says no such file or directory
[09:58] <mv6> should i attempt to reinstall it?
[09:59] <Gwildor|work> yes
[09:59] <mv6> k thx
[09:59] <wood1> Anyway I think Hoary should be fine after a few days. It happened like this while updating "sed" in Hoary
[10:00] <bronson> It's fine now.
[10:00] <bronson> I just upgraded 2 minutes ago.
[10:01] <wood1> bronson you mean updating in Hoary is OK now ?
[10:01] <rodi> bronson: you just s/warty/hoary/ and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:01] <bronson> yep
[10:01] <rodi> wow.
[10:01] <bronson> there are some weird ui issues but nothing bad.
[10:01] <rodi> I'm gonna do that.
[10:02] <wood1> Bronson, Are you using Universe in Hoary ?
[10:02] <thomas_> evening together
[10:02] <bronson> wood1: yes
[10:02] <bronson> and multiverse and hoary-security
[10:02] <wood1> Did you have problems updating Hoary yesterday or even today ?
[10:03] <wood1> I am having problems updating Hoary for the past few days
[10:03] <bronson> wood1: I had problems with sed last week but no problems now.
[10:03] <bronson> what's the problem?
[10:03] <imka> how can i burn an iso image with the nautilus cdburner?
[10:03] <wood1> Well some Openoffice problems
[10:03] <Agrajag> imka: right click on the iso
[10:03] <Agrajag> choose "burn to disc"
[10:03] <bronson> Anyone know what "WARNING: .udevdb already exists on the old /dev/!" means on boot?
[10:03] <bluefoxicy> does anyone know what compiler flags are used to build Ubuntu?
[10:04] <imka> Agrajag, thanks
[10:04] <wood1> Updating Hoary first says that it is removing OfficeOpen and then gets some file denial permission and gets stuck with some kind of Error
[10:04] <thomas_> i dont have the menuepoint "burn to disc", when i click on an iso file
[10:04] <thomas_> whats goin wrong?
[10:04] <Gwildor|work> it is gone.....i think
[10:04] <wood1> Bronson are you using KDE in Hoary ?
[10:04] <bronson> wood1: nope
[10:05] <imka> Agrajag, i can't set the writing speed :/
[10:05] <wood1> Bronson are you good at this GPG thing in Email ?
[10:05] <thomas_> and when i put things in the nautilus-cd-burner window, the window does not have the "burn to disc" menu
[10:05] <bronson> wood1: eh?  you mean gpg sigs?
[10:05] <Agrajag> imka: yeah, neither can I
[10:05] <thomas_> i have to manually open "nautilus-cd-burner" app to burn it
[10:06] <wood1> I just can't encrypt my emails using gpg
[10:07] <wood1> By the way, what is the S/MIME icon in Mozilla Thunderbird for ?
[10:07] <ermo> xfree question: How do i load the Xv extension, and how do I check error messages related to it? I have a radeon 7000 (rv100) board.
[10:08] <rodi> wood1: enigmail is pretty easy and cool.
[10:08] <rodi> (for gpg)
[10:08] <wood1> How do I use it effectively ?
[10:08] <wood1> rodi
[10:08] <rodi> wood1: using it at all is pretty effective, in my opinion ;)  I guess I don't really understand the question...
[10:09] <wood1> rodi,   I can't get S/MIME to encrypt my Emails ?
[10:09] <wood1> What do I have to do ?
[10:10] <bronson> ermo: what does xvinfo say?
[10:10] <bronson> xv should just load.  I think.
[10:10] <rodi> wood1: if you want to encrypt messages with Thunderbird, the right way to do it is install the enigmail extension, and configure it to use your GPG key.  At least that's how I do it ;)
[10:11] <ermo> bronson, 'xvinfo' <- thanks. I'll check.
[10:11] <wood1> I have installed the Enigmail extension
[10:12] <rodi> wood1: okay, so you have an enigmail menu now?
[10:12] <wood1> Well I guess my question is "how do I put the Hash: SHA1" signature
[10:12] <wood1> Yes I have
[10:12] <ermo> bronson, odd. Xv is loaded. But gxine (from universe, ahem) tells me that Xv isn't detected.
[10:12] <wood1> rodi
[10:12] <ermo> bronson, but thanks for pointing towards xvinfo.
[10:13] <ermo> bronson, and gst won't play as many formats as xine (as far as I can tell - watching anime)
[10:14] <bronson> ermo: does plain xine work?  I've had some odd issues with gxine.
[10:14] <ermo> bronson, again, good point.
[10:14] <ermo> bronson, I'll poke around some more. Thanks for the input :D
[10:15] <rodi> wood1: Enigmail->Options->PGP/MIME, Select SHA1
[10:16] <mjr> ermo, true about the gst, but totem's GUI is nicer in my opinion, so totem-xine is the best of both currently
[10:16] <wood1> rodi, I don't see the Enigmail>Options
[10:17] <rodi> wood1: s/Options/Preferences/
[10:17] <wood1> OK
[10:17] <wood1> Yes I have done that, rodi
[10:17] <wood1> I am now composing a new email
[10:18] <rodi> wood1: Enigmail->Sign or Ctrl-Shift-S
[10:20] <wood1> When I click the S/MIME option and select encrypt this Email, I get the option box requiring me to get 1 or more personal certificates
[10:20] <ermo> mjr, but ubuntu-desktop depends on totem-gst :( <- don't want to ruin my yummy ubuntu
[10:20] <wood1> Using Enigmail>Sign works fine but does not show the Hash: SHA1 in the sent mail
[10:21] <ermo> mjr, is there a way to have both totem-xine and totem-gst installed and just switch back-end via /etc/alternatives?
[10:21] <mjr> ermo, I don't think so
[10:21] <ermo> mjr, *sigh*
[10:22] <mjr> not with the current packaging, anyway
[10:22] <mjr> (by the way, uninstalling the ubuntu-desktop package doesn't ruin anything, it just makes it so that with an upgrade to hoary, all new software that ubuntu-desktop depends on won't be automatically installed)
[10:23] <mjr> but at that point you can reinstall the package and hope that totem-gst in hoary will be a better choice ;)
[10:23] <ermo> mjr, so, if/when I upgrade to hoary, I would just dump totem-xine, install ubuntu-desktop and ^^^
[10:24] <rodi> wood1: I must not understand either what you're trying to do or what's failing.  No signature can appear on the message until it is complete, and you press the send button- is that confusing you?
[10:24] <ermo> mjr, sounds sensible. I'll give it a try. Thanks for the input.
[10:24] <mjr> (and, of course, if totem-gst still doesn't fit the bill for you, you can then, again, revert back ;)
[10:24] <pepsi_> why did they change all of xchat's settings?
[10:24] <pepsi_> it looks fugly
[10:25] <ermo> pepsi_, 'fugly' <- haven't really seen that before. But good word. 'fugly'. Yup. I like.
[10:25] <pepsi_> heh
[10:25] <pepsi_> someone said they liked "bork" too when i said that
[10:25] <pepsi_> wtf
[10:25] <pepsi_> fugly and bork are not in everyone's vocabulary?
[10:26] <Gwildor|work> in mine
[10:26] <pepsi_> hrm
[10:26] <pepsi_> whats that mean?
[10:26] <kent> Is some one here using the Rpanther aqua theme for Gtk here? I cant get it to work with X-chat. It makes the font in the line where i type these messages very hard to read since the font-color is just a tiny bit less white (a bit grey) than the background. The topic-line is the same, hard to read.    Other gtk-entrys are not hard to read, they get the font-color right.  How come xchat is this?
[10:27] <yoss> where can i find interesting themes for gnome ?
[10:27] <pepsi_> kent: have you asked in #xchat?
[10:28] <pepsi_> i probably should do the same for my question, but im not sure if the ui colors for xchat were set by ubuntu or if they came with an xchat update
[10:28] <kent> pepsi_, i thought it was a theme-issue and not a xchat-issue,  but i can ask there aswell
[10:29] <Echramath> Can somebody tell me where I can turn off that stupid CD autoplay option?
[10:30] <pepsi_> Desktop Prefs / Removable Storage?
[10:30] <yoss> where can i find interesting themes for gnome ?
[10:30] <Echramath> Aaa, why I didn't find that myself, thanks.
[10:31] <bronson> Anyone else using Hoary notice its weird keyboard repeat issue?
[10:32] <bronson> Repeat starts fine, but slows down after about a second.
[10:34] <bronson> sjoerd: maybe we can finish here.
[10:34] <bronson> Everything looks to be back in order.
[10:35] <bronson> lshal shows the CF devices, but dbus-monitor --system (and --session) show no activity when I plug/unplug the cards.
[10:35] <sjoerd> bronson: do you still have your cf rule
[10:35] <bronson> no, got rid of that and rebooted.
[10:37] <bronson> Hal shows storage.automout_enabled_hint = true
[10:37] <will_> has anyone got the NVIDIA drivers running in hoary here? if so can you point me in the right direction? :)
[10:38] <bronson> will_: there's an article about that on the Wiki.  Have you checked that?
[10:38] <sjoerd> bronson: and storage.media_check_enabled
[10:38] <will_> bronson: will have a look u know the name?
[10:38] <bronson> sjoerd: yes.
[10:38] <sjoerd> bronson: but you do have a /dev/sda1 right away ?
[10:39] <bronson> sjoerd: I thought that /dev didn't matter anymore...?
[10:39] <bronson> Nothing appears in /dev without my custom udev rule.
[10:40] <ermo> mjr, so far, totem-xine works great on my lowly p3@550 box. Nice.
[10:40] <sjoerd> bronson: odd
[10:41] <sjoerd> it should fall back to the kernel name afaik
[10:41] <sjoerd> bronson: but the device is detected by the kernel and put in /sys/block ?
[10:41] <sjoerd> bronson: which kernel are you on?
[10:41] <bronson> sjoerd: yes
[10:41] <will_> bronson: thanks its mysteriously hidden under FinishInstallationHowto
[10:42] <bronson> The latest 2.6.8.1 from Hoary.
[10:42] <bronson> will_: that's really weird.  I thought it was its own article.
[10:42] <jakk> hello. could someone help me with a creative webcam problem? :)
[10:42] <bronson> Glad you found it.  :)
[10:42] <bronson> jakk: just ask.
[10:42] <sjoerd> bronson: and /var/log/syslog doesn't show interesting udev messages about it ?
[10:43] <bronson> sjoerd: not afaict
[10:43] <jakk> well i'm not sure about the chipset or sensor or whatever but i installed this ov511-driver package with the synaptic and now i can see ov518-webcam in the device manager but no program seems to find it...
[10:43] <will_> bronson: i wish!
[10:44] <jakk> i've tried camstream, camorama and gnomemeeting
[10:44] <jakk> does it mean if it is in the device manager that it should be working??
[10:44] <will_> bronson: maybe it is but "nvidia" "nvidia drivers" and "ncidia drivers install" does not show it!
[10:44] <sjoerd> bronson: what does the udev command i told you earlier say now ?
[10:45] <eclipse> what version of kde is in hoary?
[10:46] <Riddell> eclipse: mix of 3.2 and 3.3
[10:46] <Riddell> eclipse: I have packages for KDE base 3.3
[10:46] <eclipse> Riddell, ok
[10:46] <eclipse> i need to upgrade to kde cause i think kde is more stable than gnome
[10:46] <Gwildor|work> goo
[10:46] <Riddell> "deb http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/away/ubuntu/ unstable main"
[10:46] <Riddell> eclipse: good choice :)
[10:47] <bronson> sjoerd: sorry -- I lost my log when I restarted my comtpuer.
[10:47] <eclipse> Riddell, i mean gnome is great and stuff but i truely feel that it's not mature yet like kde
[10:47] <bronson> Can you paste it for me?
[10:48] <sjoerd> bronson_: what's the output of udevinfo -q all -p /sys/block/sda/sda1
[10:48] <bronson> sjoerd: "device not found in database"
[10:48] <sjoerd> but /sys/block/sda/sda1 is there ?
[10:49] <jakk> bronson: any idea..?
[10:49] <Riddell> eclipse: oh gnome is mature, but it's not a development framework so lacks integration
[10:49] <bronson> sda is there but it does not contain sda1
[10:49] <sjoerd> aha
[10:50] <eclipse> Riddell, is that right?
[10:50] <sjoerd> and the same command for /sys/block/sda ?
[10:50] <zax-tfh> hi all !
[10:50] <zax-tfh> is anyone could help me a bit please ? it's a little problem that I think all of you could answer ^^
[10:50] <eclipse> Riddell, by the way, which one seems faster for you: gnome or kde?
[10:50] <Riddell> eclipse: from a developers point of view KDE is much more mature (humble opinion of course)
[10:50] <bronson> jakk: I can't find it either.
[10:51] <bronson> I swear it used to be there.
[10:51] <Riddell> eclipse: havn't noticed any difference in speed
[10:51] <eclipse> Riddell, so it's the same?
[10:51] <zax-tfh> I've installed ubuntu but the download of programs has bugged and stopped, now I can't have an X displayed because I don't know how to do ^^
[10:51] <bronson> sjoerd: so, I need to make that udev rule again?
[10:51] <Riddell> eclipse: I havn't compared speed of them much i'm afraid
[10:52] <zax-tfh> I just wanted to know how to launch net install of packages to finish the install
[10:52] <eclipse> Riddell, ok
[10:52] <sjoerd> bronson: for /sys/block/sda it also returned not in db ?
[10:52] <bronson> it worked for sda, not sda1
[10:52] <bronson> P: /block/sda    N: sda
[10:53] <sjoerd> yeah, but sda1 isn't there as far as the kernel knows (otherwise it would be in /sys/block/sda)
[10:53] <zax-tfh> no one for me please ??? :(
[10:53] <bronson> zax-tfh: it should just pick up where it left off.
[10:54] <bronson> zax-tfh: you're installing off CD?
[10:55] <zax-tfh> It brings me to a shell and when I log in i'm always on the shell... I began install it with a cd and after it asked me to install more programs with internet and I said yes but it crashed
[10:55] <zax-tfh> because my connection had problems....
[10:55] <zax-tfh> so now I don't know how to finish that and how to have a X !!!
[10:55] <Gwildor|work> zax-tfh, just re-install
[10:55] <zax-tfh> arfffff...
[10:56] <Gwildor|work> zax-tfh, maybe apt-get upgrade?
[10:56] <zax-tfh> I think so but it's longgggggggggg...
[10:56] <zax-tfh> I try
[10:56] <Gwildor|work> zax-tfh, 56k?
[10:56] <zax-tfh> nope 6M ^^
[10:56] <Gwildor|work> then whats the prob?
[10:56] <zax-tfh> but my freebox crashed ^^
[10:57] <Gwildor|work> but I must go...work is OVER......laters
[10:57] <jakk> Anybody have any idea why I have a really small font size in some program option-menus, xmms and vlc for example..?
[10:57] <zax-tfh> I said it was long to reinstall not for apt-get
[10:57] <bronson> sjoerd: so where does sda1 come from?
[10:57] <Gwildor|work> oh....ok....sorry
[10:57] <|trey|> jakk: likely GTK 1.x options...
[10:57] <bronson> I've looked all over and I can't figure out how the kernel turns sda into sda1
[10:57] <sjoerd> bronson: and the h-d-m item for it has media_check_endabled turned on..
[10:58] <jakk> |trey|: what can i do about it..?
[10:58] <sjoerd> bowes: it scans the media, sees the partition table, creates the devices
[10:58] <|trey|> jakk: not use crap software...
[10:58] <zax-tfh> Logically, it would start X itself ? or I have to write a command to launch it ?
[10:58] <sjoerd> bronson: but it must know that it most scan the partition table
[10:58] <|trey|> jakk: not the hugest fan of gtk 1.x in the world... was the reason I started using KDE in the first place.
[10:58] <Gwildor|work> xstarts auto magically
[10:59] <|trey|> jakk: Rhythmbox for audio... Totem or mplayer for movies...
[10:59] <bronson> sjoerd: storage.m_c_e = true, linux.sysfs_path = /sys/block/sda
[10:59] <sjoerd> bronson: what are the permissions of /dv/sda ?
[10:59] <bronson> Right.  sda1 can't exist until sda has been examined.
[10:59] <bronson> sjoerd: there's no /dev/sda, remember?  Should I create that udev rule?  :)
[11:00] <zax-tfh> thanks Gwildor ^^
[11:00] <sjoerd> bronson: 22:52 <bronson> P: /block/sda    N: sda ?
[11:00] <sjoerd> but it's not on disk ?
[11:00] <bronson> Oh, you mean /sys/block/sda?
[11:01] <bronson> oh, /dev/block/sda
[11:01] <bronson> no.
[11:01] <sjoerd> bronson: the N: <name> is the name udev gave to something
[11:01] <bronson> oh, ok.
[11:01] <sjoerd> can you do du -sch /dev ?
[11:02] <diesel> I just completed an install of Ubuntu.  Upon booting, the computer freezes at "Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference".  Anyway to solve this?
[11:02] <meff> anyone know how to fix the umounting segfaults at shutdown on hoary ? (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6832) .. im a little afraid to reboot now :)
[11:03] <bronson> Sorry -- I'm being dumb.  /dev/sda does indeed exist, and it's root:disk ug+rw.
[11:03] <sjoerd> hehe
[11:03] <|trey|> diesel: sounds like a RC install?  afaik, only thing to do with the clock in the release is setting it to use ntp.ubuntulinux.org...
[11:04] <sjoerd> bronson: hmm, it should be root:plugdev
[11:04] <sjoerd> bronson: which version of hal ? hoary's latest ?
[11:04] <diesel> |trey|, what do you mean by "RC install"
[11:04] <bronson> sjoerd: yep.
[11:04] <bronson> sjoerd: I just apt-get upgraded about 1/2 hour ago.
[11:05] <jakk> |trey|: sorry i'm a total newbie :) but what is the easiest way to change to KDE?
[11:05] <sjoerd> bronson: do you have /etc/udev/rules.d/z_hal-plugdev.rules
[11:05] <bronson> sjoerd: yes
[11:06] <jakk> |trey|: can you do it with the synaptic..?
[11:08] <Riddell> jakk: you need to add universe to your sources, then install "kde"
[11:08] <sjoerd> bronson: what does /etc/udev/scripts/device-removable.sh sda output
[11:08] <Nick_Jacked> I am seeing an issue with the shipit website. If I go and log in I don't get any info on the CDs I ordered, just the form to request more, filled out with my info and the number I previously selected.
[11:08] <diesel> Any other ideas about why the computer freezes at "Setting the system clock using the hardware clock as reference"?
[11:09] <cenerentola> is there any way to use apt-get to download only security updates?
[11:09] <jakk> ok...
[11:09] <bronson> sjoerd: after "chmod a+x" to mark it executable, it outputs "1".
[11:10] <bronson> All other files in there were marked executable.
[11:10] <Felix_the_Mac> Hi. I am after some help with the trackpad on a PowerBook
[11:10] <|trey|> jakk: ahh... you don't want KDE... you just want to use apps that aren't gtk1.x
[11:11] <diesel> cenerentola, edit /etc/sources.list file and comment out all sources except the security source, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade
[11:11] <sjoerd> bronson: no run ACTION=add DEVPATH=/block/sda udevsend block as root
[11:12] <sjoerd> s/no/now
[11:12] <|trey|> diesel: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list of course
[11:12] <jakk> |trey|: but kde could be nice too?
[11:12] <thenuke> What does ubuntu apt-get at time of install?
[11:12] <diesel> |trey|, cenerentola: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:12] <|trey|> jakk: I guess... I don't really like KDE anymore...
[11:12] <thenuke> automagically. I did not have net enabled on one machine when I installed ubuntu on it
[11:12] <bronson> I just added myself to the disk group; just a sec...
[11:12] <diesel> |trey|, what did you mean be a "RC install"
[11:12] <tritium> Hello.  I'm in serious need.  Is there anyone that can help me diagnose a severe hard drive failure using the ubuntu live CD?
[11:13] <|trey|> jakk: GNOME is a lot nicer/less annoying...
[11:13] <sjoerd> bronson: nooooooo, don't do that
[11:13] <|trey|> diesel: Release Candidate... not the final release.
[11:13] <sjoerd> bronson: adding yourself to the disk group is well.. just don't do it
[11:13] <thenuke> so do I have to use that apt-get update & upgrade on it ?
[11:13] <cenerentola> diesel: thank you... is this really the only way? i was actally looking for a quicker alternative. thanks again
[11:13] <sjoerd> bronson: and it won't help :)
[11:14] <|trey|> cenerentola: you can do it in synaptic too... just uncheck everything but security...
[11:14] <|trey|> cenerentola: but if you're using hoary, regular packages will have security updates too...
[11:15] <|trey|> cenerentola: and for warty, enless you have updates-released defined, you will only get security updates anyway.
[11:15] <jakk> |trey|: tell me what is the difference between removal and complete removal in the synaptic?
[11:15] <cenerentola> |trey|: what i am afraid of is, destroying the system 3 days before mataro, with a dist-upgrade
[11:16] <bronson> sjoerd: it did.
[11:16] <bronson> Everything works now?!
[11:16] <|trey|> jakk: removal uninstalls... complete removal gets rid of config files too....
[11:16] <kent> jakk, perhaps complete removal also removes cashed files?  /var/cache/  has files, perhaps old packages etc..
[11:16] <bronson> It was either adding myself to disk or marking that script executable.
[11:16] <sjoerd> bronson: you did the udevsend ?
[11:16] <bronson> No; I was just getting to that.
[11:16] <|trey|> kent: don't guess... it confuses people.
[11:16] <bronson> I'd already logged out before you told me not to.  :)
[11:16] <sjoerd> bronson: what are the permissions on /dev/sda now ?
[11:16] <kent> |trey|, ok.  So i wont guess more then :)
[11:17] <diesel> |trey|, I downloaded the iso file on November 6.  When was the final cut released?
[11:17] <|trey|> jakk: ignore kent... if you are familier with dpkg ... complete is --purge or -P
[11:17] <bronson> sjoerd: root:hal u+rw,g+r
[11:17] <|trey|> dieman: the 10th I believe...
[11:18] <sjoerd> bronson: that was the fix.. hal can't read/open/poll devices which are root:disk
[11:18] <sjoerd> bronson: but can if they are root:hal
[11:18] <|trey|> cept of October enless my math sucks  :)
[11:18] <|trey|> diesel: ^^
[11:18] <bronson> Wow.
[11:18] <sjoerd> ?
[11:18] <bronson> This is too cool.
[11:19] <diesel> |trey|, went to the download page.  Last changed = November 9.  Damn, three more days and I wold have had the final release
[11:19] <sjoerd> pitti: seems there are upgrade paths in ubuntu which leave device-removable.sh -x ..
[11:19] <|trey|> bronson: being sarcastic?
[11:19] <bronson> I don't know why sda would be in the disk group before but the hal group now.
[11:19] <bronson> I didn't do anything to change that afaik.
[11:19] <dieman> |trey|: eh?
[11:20] <sjoerd> because the device-removable.sh couldn't be executed, so the udev rule to decide between group hal or disk didn't function
[11:20] <bronson> |trey|: not at all -- automounting the CF card rules.
[11:20] <|trey|> dieman: nm... autocompletion, meant for diesel :(
[11:20] <bronson> sjoerd: so it WAS the executable bit.
[11:20] <bronson> Suppose I should file that as an Ubuntu bug.
[11:20] <bronson> s/
[11:20] <pitti> sjoerd: I don't understand; what's wrong about that?
[11:20] <sjoerd> pitti: then z_hal-plugdev.rules doesn't work
[11:20] <pitti> sjoerd: ah, _not_ executable?
[11:21] <sjoerd> yeah
[11:21] <bronson> pitti: right.  Somehow it was not executable on my system.
[11:21] <bronson> It was a clean install from the Warty CD last week, then a few hoary dist-upgrades.
[11:21] <pitti> bronson: did this happen today with the most recent upgrade? or already earlier?
[11:22] <bronson> I tried to install the card reader last night.  We didn't get it debugged until just now.
[11:22] <bronson> So it could have been like that the entire time and I wouldn't have noticed.
[11:23] <pitti> bronson: odd, the script is already shipped as executable in the deb
[11:23] <pitti> |trey|: it's already in :-)
[11:23] <|trey|> pitti: ahhh... thanks  :)
[11:23] <pitti> |trey|: Linux donald 2.6.9-1-k7 #1
[11:23] <sjoerd> pitti: was there a ubuntu package where it was not +x ? at least in debian it has always been +x..
[11:24] <spity> what if i have patch for package that's in universe? specificaly patch that add's nice init script?
[11:24] <bronson> pitti: want to ask some of the people here to "ls -l /etc/udev/scripts/device-removable.sh"
[11:25] <bronson> ?
[11:25] <bronson> This might be a rare issue...
[11:25] <pitti> sjoerd: argh, yes
[11:25] <pitti> sjoerd: 0.4.1-1ubuntu3 shipped it as nonexecutable
[11:26] <pitti> |trey|: it doesn't right now
[11:26] <pitti> |trey|: you have to install the package manually
[11:26] <|trey|> pitti: I gathered that part... just wondering why...   :(
[11:26] <pitti> |trey|: it's still experimental :-)
[11:26] <Felix_the_Mac> Hello again. Does anyone know anything about pbbuttonsd ???
[11:26] <pitti> |trey|: to not break each and every box around there
[11:27] <rodi> bronson: if I upgrade to hoary from within X, will it make my life difficult?  Should I shut down gdm first and do it from a bare console?
[11:27] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: I run it for months now without any trouble
[11:27] <bronson> rodi: as long as you reboot immediately after you finish, it should be ok.
[11:27] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: Hi there. What system do you use?
[11:27] <pitti> sjoerd, bronson: the faulty version was out for three days; I guess the folks who picked it up just have to chmod +x
[11:27] <rodi> bronson: I must admit, I'm very excited :-D
[11:27] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: iBook G4 800
[11:28] <bronson> rodi: it's not without peril.  there are a few annoyances...
[11:28] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: Great! I hope you may be able to help me get track pad tapping working
[11:28] <rodi> bronson: no!  say it ain't so!  a Debian distro with annoyances?
[11:28] <bronson> But imo the good outweighs the bad.
[11:28] <pitti> sjoerd, bronson: I do not like to upload a package which forcefully sets the permissions to +x
[11:28] <|trey|> pitti: ps, thats a dumb reason... people using hoary should be prepared for breakage... even relish it  8)
[11:28] <jakk> |trey|: have the font thing in audacity too is there an alternative recommend?
[11:28] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: no problem
[11:29] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: install package "powerprefs" and enjoy the nice gui
[11:29] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: Basically, although pbbuttonsd is working and I have set tap on in powerprefs is doesnt work :-(
[11:29] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: However, be sure to start it as root ("sudo powerprefs") to allow it to actually write its conf file
[11:29] <jakk> |trey|: alternative you could recommend...
[11:29] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: oh, works fine for me
[11:29] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: What I want is to tap to emulated right click.
[11:30] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: ugh, I don't think that this is possible
[11:30] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: Oh, so what are the tap settings in powerprefs for then ?
[11:30] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: well, just enable or disable it
[11:31] <bronson> pitti: what's the alternative?  Those +x bits need to be set somehow don't they?
[11:31] <pitti> bronson: users upgrading from warty won't see the breakage
[11:31] <sjoerd> bronson: there set by default, unless in your upgrade path you encountered some particular package
[11:31] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: What does 'it' do when it is enabled?
[11:31] <pitti> bronson: only those which used the first faulty version
[11:31] <pitti> bronson: that's the price you pay for using Hoary
[11:32] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: tapping the pad is equal to left mouse button
[11:32] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: you can also "drag" with it
[11:32] <sjoerd> pitti: you see, getting packages out before me isn't always a good thing :P
[11:32] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: and IIRC you can emulate a scroll wheel
[11:32] <pitti> sjoerd: but that was the package where I introduced this in the first place
[11:32] <pitti> sjoerd: I did not steal that from you ... :-/
[11:33] <potato_head> Hi, anyone know if there's an apt source where I can get ndiswrapper 0.12?
[11:33] <pitti> sjoerd: besides, it's Hoary. it is UNSTABLE. :-)
[11:33] <Felix_the_Mac> pitti: Left !!!!!!   I assumed that since we Mac users are deficient in the right-mouse-button department it would do that!!
[11:33] <sjoerd> pitti: i know, nagging :)
[11:33] <pitti> sjoerd: sure, can't help it now. sometimes dpkg conffile handling just sucks...
[11:33] <oberke> hello.  someone asked me if ara would work under ubuntu.  so, do the apt database files /var/lib/apt/lists/, /var/lib/dpkg/available are the same under ubuntu ?
[11:33] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: well, you can emulate the right button with some keys
[11:34] <pitti> Felix_the_Mac: Default are F11 and F12 for middle/right
[11:34] <sjoerd> pitti: yeah
[11:34] <Felix_the_Mac> Thanks, I have found that. Maybe I can rempa the 'enter' key |< to be right click?
[11:35] <bronson> dpkg conffile handling is awful.
[11:35] <jazzka> hi!
[11:35] <egon_spengler> sjoerd Because original PC keyboards came with 8 or 10 Function Keys, leaving 11 and 12 open
[11:36] <SimplyRob> Hello
[11:36] <jazzka> I've got some gdesklets at /usr/share/gdesklets/Sensors
[11:36] <bronson> I can't believe we're almost in 2005 and we still don't have a 3-way merge.
[11:36] <sjoerd> my XT even had F11 and F12 iirc
[11:36] <bronson> Or an easy way to check/restore defaults.
[11:36] <SimplyRob> What's the best dependency handler for ubuntu? synaptic? aptitude ?
[11:36] <jazzka> how can I run them?
[11:36] <jazzka> Is there any guide?
[11:36] <Felix_the_Mac> Hello SimplyRob
[11:36] <|trey|> jazzka: thats not where they go... /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays  after installing gdesklets-data
[11:36] <SimplyRob> Felix_the_Mac, Hello
[11:37] <SimplyRob> I use aptitude for Kanotix, aptitude install or aptitude update, aptitude ugprade to handle dependency better than apt-get
[11:37] <SimplyRob> With Ubuntu I can use what? gui and non-gui ?
[11:37] <|trey|> jazzka: once you install that, in the dir of the desklet you want, type 'gdesklets some.display'...
[11:38] <|trey|> SimplyRob: Synaptic
[11:38] <rodi> SimplyRob: Synaptic for gui, dselect for curses, apt-get for neither.  IMHO.
[11:38] <|trey|> SimplyRob: aptitude is still installed though...
[11:38] <SimplyRob> ok I'll use aptitude also
[11:38] <|trey|> rodi: dselect sucks... but ok...
[11:38] <Felix_the_Mac> sjoerd: D'you use Mac too?
[11:38] <SimplyRob> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
[11:38] <|trey|> 8)
[11:39] <|trey|> SimplyRob: that would work... sure... synaptic is prefered for Ubuntu though...
[11:39] <SimplyRob> but what if I dont wanna open that gui :)
[11:39] <SimplyRob> <<< slow pc
[11:39] <sjoerd> Felix_the_Mac: yeah
[11:39] <potato_head> I'm trying to compile ndiswrapper 0.12, but I keep getting a Can't find kernel sources errors. Adding KSRC=/usr/src/linux (where I've unpacked the source to) to the make command isn't working. Can anybody help?
[11:39] <|trey|> SimplyRob: apt-get owns aptitude
[11:39] <SimplyRob> I'm not really using ubuntu, I'm using Beatrix
[11:39] <rodi> LOL
[11:39] <SimplyRob> how can apt-get own aptitude? when apt-get is just install and remove
[11:39] <bronson> sjoerd: thanks for all your help.
[11:40] <|trey|> SimplyRob: blah, then why are you here?
[11:40] <sjoerd> bronson: np
[11:40] <bronson> This hotplugging is making me really happy.  :)
[11:40] <SimplyRob> Because Beatrix is ubuntu based :-p
[11:40] <|trey|> SimplyRob: apt-get and apt-cache... better output.
[11:40] <SimplyRob> uses their repository and everything
[11:40] <SimplyRob> gnome 2.8 default also
[11:40] <SimplyRob> people say beatrix is like ubuntu's live-cd
[11:40] <|trey|> SimplyRob: just use Ubuntu... its probably the best distro around right now.
[11:40] <Felix_the_Mac> I don't use ubuntu .....  I use Peter Rabbit :-)
[11:40] <SimplyRob> also bea is optimized for slow pc
[11:40] <rodi> bronson: what are you running hoary on?  I'm about to upgrade on this IBM T40p, hope it goes well :-D
[11:40] <|trey|> SimplyRob: I am yet to here one thing bad about it...
[11:40] <SimplyRob> |trey|, thats your opinion it runs too slow on mines
[11:41] <SimplyRob> I have 1 for you
[11:41] <|trey|> SimplyRob: I have seen Ubuntu on a P2 with no issues...
[11:41] <bronson> rodi: T-23
[11:41] <SimplyRob> well not all pcs are alike :)
[11:41] <SimplyRob> its ok I'm using ubuntu anyways
[11:41] <SimplyRob> it uses their repo
[11:41] <|trey|> SimplyRob: if it uses the same repo, how does beatrix better enable the use of crap PC's?
[11:42] <SimplyRob> i'm gonna install ubuntu on my laptop amd athlon xp-m 2800+ vmware ..
[11:42] <SimplyRob> because they are the bomb? lol
[11:42] <SimplyRob> celeron 635mhz/256sdram for linux so i can learn, doing triple-booting there
[11:43] <SimplyRob> you should ask Beatrix that question
[11:45] <Felix_the_Mac> *Everybody leaves to speak to Beatrice
[11:47] <|trey|> SimplyRob: seems to me they are no different to Ubuntu... other then minimalizing the packages installed to 200mb's...
[11:47] <SimplyRob> |trey|, told you
[11:47] <SimplyRob> minimalizing the packages and
[11:47] <SimplyRob> optimized for SLOW PCs
[11:48] <SimplyRob> big advantaged I see because it runs even faster on fast pcs
[11:48] <|trey|> SimplyRob: Ubuntu runs fine on a 633 mhz 128mb RAM Celeron... although thats my server...
[11:48] <SimplyRob> oh
[11:48] <|trey|> SimplyRob: it says it runs on such machines... but damn, Ubuntu runs on a fucking Apple Lisa ffs... thats old hardware!!
[11:48] <|trey|> SimplyRob: its still using GNOME... so it will be the same...
[11:49] <SimplyRob> I dunno why but like I said and they said to me, its optimal for slow pcs , thats their whole point and it does uses gnome 2.8 but i dunno why I go slow on ubuntu and I haveinstalled various of times
[11:50] <SimplyRob> but for now I am stuck with 3 distros i am triple booting with because i'm a newbie so i wanna test these as much and learn something
[11:50] <|trey|> SimplyRob: You'd learn more sticking to one... but ok...
[11:50] <SimplyRob> yea you're right
[11:50] <SimplyRob> but in the meantime
[11:50] <SimplyRob> I dont need to say ahhh this crap and unistall it and install another
[11:50] <SimplyRob> I have 3
[11:51] <jakk> is there some good music production software for linux?
[11:51] <SimplyRob> so I'll say ahh i dont want this 1 and reinstall 1 on that partition
[11:51] <|trey|> SimplyRob: either way, if you're not using Ubuntu, this isn't the right channel for you.
[11:52] <|trey|> SimplyRob: if Beatrix doesn't have a channel, go to #linux or #linux-help
[11:52] <JStrike> jakk : I think a goodish one was released a couple of weeks ago. Look on GnomeFiles
[11:53] <SimplyRob> and who you are to tell me this isn't the right channel? for example I'm using XFLD and its based on Knoppix, the only difference is that Xfld default environment is Xfce4.2 but other than that everything else is Knoppix, same with Beatrix
[11:53] <rodi> LOL
[11:53] <SimplyRob> You're just not happy i'm not using pure ubuntu, like the debian folks say every deb based distro sucks because its not pure debian ?
[11:54] <SimplyRob> Maybe jealously, hate or something
[11:54] <zax-tfh> hi all !
[11:54] <rodi> SimplyRob: you're doing a great job making everyone like you with those kinds of cracks.
[11:54] <shingoki> The debian people just hate all organic life, they are cyborgs ;) Just kidding
[11:54] <zax-tfh> I would like to know what to use to burn a cd under ubuntu please ?
[11:54] <jakk> JStrike: you mean wired?
[11:55] <tixy> zax-tfh: nautilus?  :-)
[11:55] <JStrike> jakk : Could be. Let me look
[11:55] <zax-tfh> with nautilus ???
[11:55] <rodi> heh, later dude.
[11:55] <zax-tfh> could you explain briefly please ?
[11:55] <|QuaD|> i have the j2re packages installed, but it didn't install the applet viewer for firefox, what should i do
[11:56] <tixy> zax-tfh: just put a cd into the drive, and drag in what you want to burn
[11:56] <|trey|> zax-tfh: you can use nautilus-cd-burner... just throw a cdr in the tray, and drag files to the window that pops up  :)
[11:56] <rodi> okay, rebooting with hoary.  talk to you all soon (hopefully)
[11:56] <JStrike> zax-tfh : yes
[11:56] <shingoki> |QuaD|: There is a thing on a wiki page for that I think, you need to make a symbolic link in one of the firefox directories
[11:57] <|trey|> zax-tfh: if you don't really like that... apt-get install coaster or xcdroast, both are pretty nice...
[11:57] <|QuaD|> ok
[11:58] <zax-tfh> okay thanks !!!
[11:58] <|trey|> shingoki: |QuaD|   'ln -s /path/to/java/plugin /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[11:58] <zax-tfh> but now I'm facing another problem :(, I just plugged another HDD and it's not in my drives... ???? Do I have to mount it ? if yes, how do I make it ?
[11:58] <JStrike> |trey| : Is coaster in the repo?
[11:58] <zax-tfh> thanks trey
[11:59] <JStrike> zax-tfh : IN nautilus look in the Places menu
[11:59] <|trey|> shingoki: make sure you use the ns7 plugin though, not the gcc29 vm...
[11:59] <|trey|> JStrike: ahh, no... my bad...