[12:00] <|trey|> shingoki: its kinda easy to figure out if you used the wrong one though, mozilla won't start at all if you used the wrong one  :(
[12:01] <zax-tfh> jstrike : I don't know if what I launch is nautilus or not... and I'm on the french version...
[12:01] <|trey|> zax-tfh: it is  :)
[12:01] <shingoki> |trey|: that sounds bad ;)
[12:01] <zax-tfh> okay, so I don't find anything called places...
[12:01] <|trey|> zax-tfh: when you put the cd in the drive, it automagically goes to the cd burning frontend  :)
[12:01] <zax-tfh> lol
[12:02] <|trey|> shingoki: uh huh  :)
[12:02] <zax-tfh> yep but it's to find out my another HDD !! not CD !
[12:02] <zax-tfh> I plugged my hdd after installation so I think I have to mount it but how ??,
[12:02] <pepsi_> are flash drives supposed to be supported automagically in hoary or do i have to add that?
[12:02] <JStrike> zax-tfh : Go to your Home directory and look in the Places menu
[12:03] <|trey|> JStrike: you're confusing him... hotplug/g-v-m takes him to the right place!
[12:03] <shingoki> I was just thinking... would it be possible to have an entry say under multimedia, which opened the cd burning nautilus window? Because I took a while to find how to burn cds as well, had to look on google ;)
[12:03] <|trey|> JStrike: you're right of course... but its overkill and sounds like more work...
[12:04] <shingoki> I know it's meant to be like windows, but it's still not very obvious
[12:04] <|trey|> shingoki: it is kinda hidden... multimedia would be the wrong place though...
[12:04] <shingoki> |trey|: Yup, whichever menu seemd like the right one
[12:04] <shingoki> Just an entry saying "CD Burner" or "Burn CD/DVD" or something
[12:04] <|trey|> shingoki: its definatly NOT supposed to be like windows... its supposed to be intelligent... but it confuses too many, so they failed, and need to rethink it...
[12:05] <JStrike> |trey| : True. I was just thinking in case GVM wasn't working for some reason
[12:05] <job> Is there a way to install ubuntu on a usd harddrive then use a boot disk to point to it. Instead of messing my interal set up.
[12:05] <shingoki> well it does actually work exactly the same way as the windows one, you have a window that you drag files to, then tell it to burn, and it shows you that when you insert a CD.
[12:05] <|trey|> shingoki: probably system tools or accessories... I always thought file-roller should be able to do iso's for instance...
[12:06] <|trey|> file-roller should be able to *burn* iso's...
[12:06] <|trey|> Seems logical... I think it tries to open them anyways?
[12:06] <spiritz> file-roller should also  open bin/cue ... big lack in linux
[12:06] <|trey|> spiritz: it tries at least to do bin...
[12:06] <shingoki> |trey|: That's just getting back to doing the same thing in two different places, apparently you just right click an iso and tell it to burn, but again that is pretty "hidden"
[12:07] <|trey|> spiritz: but yes  :)
[12:07] <shingoki> I reckon they should just give in and have a proper CD utility, then people could find it, use it to view iso contents, everything all in one place
[12:08] <spiritz> the only way to use a bin/cue in linux, either by moutning or extracting it is to.... convert it to ISO :D
[12:08] <|trey|> shingoki: with g-v-m, it being hidden is relatively ok... but multiple places to do the same thing is a Good Thing (tm)... some practices are more logical to some people...
[12:08] <pepsi_> how can i make linux think i unplugged a usb device?
[12:08] <JStrike> shingoki : How is that hidden? That is very natural
[12:08] <JStrike> pepsi_ : Why?
[12:08] <shingoki> JStrike: It's hidden because unless you guess that it is on right click menu, you never know. I always thought it was considered a Very Bad Thing to have stuff only on right click, because unless you know it is there you will never find it
[12:08] <|trey|> JStrike: think about it... most people will look for a burning app... they are used to tools like Nero for instance if they are comming from Windows... so not having a dedicated app is confusing...
[12:09] <|trey|> Its why so many like k3b, its an actual app...
[12:09] <shingoki> Yeah k3b is very nice
[12:09] <|trey|> shingoki: it doesn't like me, and the feeling is mutual, but thats besides the point  :P
[12:09] <JStrike> |trey| : It is sometimes important to do things in a similar fashion to windows, but not when it doesn't make sense
[12:10] <pepsi_> JStrike: im trying to get a file from my laptop to my desktop with a flash drive, but linux doesnt let me mount the flash drive at the moment, so now im trying to get vmware to take the usb device and mount it in windows
[12:10] <Yann2> hi everybody :)
[12:10] <pepsi_> but it cant cause linux still has control of it
[12:10] <job> Is there a way to install ubuntu on a usb harddrive then use a boot CD to point to it? I want to be able to bring it around to places.
[12:10] <Yann2> does anyone knows where I could get a description of the files contained in the /proc directories?
[12:10] <shingoki> pepsi_: Have you tried just making a /mnt/flash directory, and running mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash ?
[12:10] <JStrike> pepsi_ : Cant you right click unmount it in Disks?
[12:10] <Yann2> what kind of infos I could find in /proc, and how to handle them
[12:10] <pepsi_> its not in Disks cause it cant mount it
[12:10] <pepsi_> it sees it
[12:11] <pepsi_> but i cant unmount it
[12:11] <shingoki> pepsi_: mount or unmount?
[12:11] <spiritz> pepsi : you need to unload usb modules to be able to use your usb port under vmware. You should try to enable the usb port in vmware, then it's tell you a module is already using them. Then as root, type rmmod xxxx to unload the modules.
[12:11] <pepsi_> i just want it to unmount it so i can let windows do it
[12:11] <jakk> if I want to install GTK 2 then what packages should I choose in the package manager?
[12:11] <pepsi_> ok
[12:12] <shingoki> pepsi_: If you can't mount it, why do you need to unmount it?
[12:12] <|trey|> Yann2: /proc pretty much tells you everything you never wanted to know about your hardware... just browse around, but don't be changing anything enless you know what you're doing...
[12:12] <spiritz> he wants to release the usb port so vmware can use them
[12:12] <shingoki> pepsi_: It sounds like you are trying to do that a very complex way though, any normal flash drive should mount easily
[12:12] <JStrike> jakk : It should comes with Ubuntu
[12:12] <pepsi_> it wont mount though.. it does on my desktop
[12:12] <Yann2> tray > i browser a lot of files, but their format's still a mistery to me ;)
[12:12] <shingoki> spiritz: It just sounded like he was using vmware because he couldn't mount under linux, but that should be easy
[12:12] <spiritz> shingoki : yeah true
[12:13] <job> .. it does on my desktop
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[12:13] <spiritz> pepsi :to find out whats wrong with ur usb key, plug the usb key, then type dmesg in a console... you should be able to see what's wrong
[12:13] <shingoki> pepsi_: It won't mount when you try it from the command line? ubuntu doesn't seem to automount anythign for me
[12:13] <pepsi_> spiritz: to be honest, i didnt try, but it works on my desktop
[12:13] <pepsi_> rmmod usb_storage worked
[12:13] <shingoki> pepsi_: Yup, dmesg should also tell you what device it is, it is probably sda1 but could be some other sdxx
[12:13] <pepsi_> im in a hurry
[12:13] <pepsi_> ill make it work later
[12:13] <spiritz> ok
[12:14] <|trey|> shingoki: type 'mount'... if "ubuntu has control of it" then it sounds like its mounted...
[12:14] <shingoki> wow if I was in a hurry I would try one command line rather than 5 ;)
[12:14] <pepsi_> there was something to do with usb mounted
[12:14] <shingoki> oh I don't know, I'm just confused, I'll shut up ;)
[12:14] <pepsi_> but but it didnt like it for some reason
[12:14] <EugeneK> I'm having sound problems (Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop/) -- system sounds work, xine plays sounds, but rhythmbox & totem fail, complaining about gstreamer. Also, gnome-volume-control fails with a "No volume control elements and/or devices found" error.
[12:15] <|trey|> EugeneK: define sounds... mp3's?
[12:15] <EugeneK> yes
[12:15] <|trey|> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[12:16] <|trey|> EugeneK: mp3 is patented, thus codecs for it can't be installed by default...
[12:16] <EugeneK> ahh.....
[12:16] <EugeneK> *slaps head*
[12:16] <shingoki> Yeah one of those magical patents that just happen for no reason
[12:16] <|trey|> EugeneK: if you don't like cli... synaptic search for mad and install the same package  :)
[12:17] <shingoki> Very very good reason to encode in ogg vorbis rather than mp3 though
[12:17] <shingoki> Until someone patents ogg as well
[12:17] <|trey|> shingoki: I listen to a lot of shoutcast streams though.... I have tried to convince them ogg is better, but no change...
[12:17] <EugeneK> hmm...just installed -- gnome-volume-control gives same problem, which makes sense.
[12:18] <pepsi_> its already been published though? how much time do you get to patent it?
[12:18] <|trey|> mp3 is too much of a standard still  :(
[12:18] <pepsi_> strike the question mark
[12:18] <pepsi_> er the first one
[12:18] <pepsi_> heh
[12:18] <|trey|> pepsi_: patents are valid for 20 years in the US... if thats what you are asking...
[12:18] <pepsi_> no.. but you cant publish it and then patent it years later
[12:18] <shingoki> pepsi_: You get to patent what you want, the patent office doesn't even check them. You couldn't patent "ogg vorbis" but you could take all the code from it, describe it in a fancy way, and a patent would be granted
[12:18] <Hrdwr_BoB> shingoki: you can't patent ogg
[12:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> shingoki: and then triviall overthrown
[12:19] <pepsi_> its already been published and so documentation that it was already out there exists
[12:19] <shingoki> Hrdwr_BoB: Perhaps. Depends how much money the patent holder has, versus whatever the EFF could get going
[12:19] <|trey|> Hrdwr_BoB: sure you could... you'd have a problem justifying it in a court of law though...
[12:19] <shingoki> Yeah but trivial things that have been done for years have been patented, and are still being patented
[12:19] <shingoki> look at one-click
[12:20] <Deknix> there is the issue of prior art....
[12:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes but that's a blatant copy
[12:20] <shingoki> Yes it gets to the courts in the end, but the result is far from certain, given lots of money and lawyers
[12:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> with clear EXACT prior art
[12:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> with a clear license
[12:20] <shingoki> Even a pathetic case can be strung out for years
[12:20] <shingoki> look at SCO
[12:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> because of the reasons vorbis was created
[12:20] <Hrdwr_BoB> it has a lot of legal crap associated with it
[12:21] <shingoki> Well maybe ogg is safer than most stuff then, but while patents work the way they do, nothing is completely safe
[12:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[12:21] <Hrdwr_BoB> if you're making a general point, then yes
[12:21] <|trey|> shingoki: SCO actually has a valid point though if they did purchase what they thought they did... cept they just purchased the UNIX license business... not the patents... according to most of what I have read...
[12:21] <|trey|> shingoki: if they had purchased the patents though, they would easily win against IBM...
[12:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> |trey|: actually they had no leg to stand on even if they did
[12:22] <|trey|> They should have known it wasn't included for $100 million though... Novell paid like 2 billion or something stupid...
[12:22] <shingoki> I thought the thing was about copyright on code, not patents?
[12:23] <|trey|> Hrdwr_BoB: how so? I mean, it appears some of what they are complaining about is actually BSD code... but things they owned patents for would stand up...
[12:24] <|trey|> shingoki: they didn't purchase copyrights or patents though... just the UNIX business that Novell didn't care for... Funny thing is though, Caldera started releasing that code back in 98 or something...
[12:25] <shingoki> |trey|: Yeah from what I heard, none of the parties invilved really know WHAT they have ;)
[12:25] <|trey|> shingoki: Novell knows... SCO's people aren't the people that signed the agreements though  :/
[12:26] <jakk> what is LD_LIBRARY_PATH and how can I modify LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable??
[12:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> |trey|: they are complaining about code that was in unix that predated even what they 'owned'
[12:26] <shingoki> jakk: That is the path Java searches for library files referenced by JNI
[12:26] <shingoki> jakk: You need to set it somehow to point to all directories containing the libSomething.so files referred to by classes you are using
[12:26] <jakk> shingoki: ok... JNI stands for..?
[12:27] <shingoki> Java Native Interface, or something similar
[12:27] <jakk> ok
[12:27] <shingoki> jakk: I assume you are running some java software?
[12:30] <jakk> shingoki: i installed some 'CVS snapshot of PortAudio v19' and it told me that i should change that environment variable to include the directory /usr/local/lib...
[12:31] <EfaistOs> does someone know why i cant have the subtitle in mplayer ?
[12:31] <aquarius> Is multisync not in warty? I can't find it; I've got both universe and multiverse repos in synaptic.
[12:31] <aquarius> ah! just found a note about this. No problem.
[12:31] <shingoki> I assume it needs to access portaudio libraries, and they are in that dir. If you are running from an IDE, then there will be a setting so that when you run the java file, it will set up the environment for you, that is easy in say eclipse
[12:32] <jakk> shingoki: oh, actually it says 'You may need to...' :)
[12:34] <aquarius> How do I add a new repository to synaptic when it's not set up with dists/warty and so on directories? Say, http://people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu/, which is just a directory with .deb files and Packages.gz
[12:34] <shingoki> jakk: From the command line, you run: export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/local/lib"
[12:35] <shingoki> jakk: Or you append that to the end of your LD_LIBRARY_PATH, wish I could remember the command line, I suck ;)
[12:35] <giard> has anyone been able to get the tips for installing mono/monodevelop off the wiki to work for warty?  I can pull down mono fine, but can't find monodevelop
[12:35] <shingoki> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/lib
[12:35] <shingoki> jakk: I hope that is right ;)
[12:36] <jakk> shingoki: ok, thanks...
[12:36] <shingoki> jakk: np
[12:36] <illustre> how log has ubuntu existed as a distro?
[12:36] <shingoki> jakk: The other way to do it is to put the libraries in your JRE directory
[12:37] <jdub> illustre: about six months
[12:37] <jdub> illustre: but the first public preview release was in september
[12:37] <jdub> illustre: then first final release in october
[12:37] <illustre> jdub: very impress
[12:38] <illustre> jdub: why did they start with  a 4.10 version?
[12:38] <jdub> illustre: 2004, october
[12:38] <giard> there used to be another apt-source for monodevelop, but I don't see that on the wiki anymore
[12:39] <thenuke> Oh why, o why I cannot change about any settings in gThumb when I am making a web-album :(
[12:39] <thenuke> I would like to choose resolutions and so on for them :(
[12:39] <magneto> anyone using udhcpd?
[12:39] <thenuke> Otherwise it just seems to be perfect piece of software for me atleast
[12:47] <|Ares|> hi ppl
[12:47] <|Ares|> someone awake?
[12:48] <|Ares|> hello?
[12:49] <jakk> hello...
[12:49] <jakk> :)
[12:49] <EugeneK> Ok -- me with the sound issues again. Installing the MAD plugin & running gst-register got my mp3s playing (of course). But, after restarting my gnome-session, it also allowed me to put the volume control applet back into my panel (which I was unable to do before). Why is that? I didn't notice anything else significant being installed along with gstreamer-mad...
[12:50] <|Ares|> do u use Ubuntu? i have a problem he dont recognise my usb ports
[12:50] <|Ares|> :(
[12:51] <jakk> I'm a newbie... :( have no idea what to do... checked out the ubuntuforums.org?
[12:52] <|Ares|> i am trying :D
[12:53] <Ruffian|Q|> I built a Linux router running a firewall/router on a floppy.  Should I enable DMZ on my modem for the firewall?
[12:59] <|trey|> EugeneK: its just one of those things where you say nod your head knowingly and put a smart look on your face :)
[01:03] <wig> Can anyone help with lucent winmodems on Ubuntu?
[01:04] <tritium> Hello.  My hard drive is actting up.  What does "hda: drive not ready for command" mean?
[01:04] <jakk> is there a way to see what has been installed lately (like today or since login...)?
[01:04] <sladen> wig: if you ask, people probably will
[01:05] <wig> well, i've tried any site that you happen to google, i've installed everything the packages say, and it loads the modules (lt_modem.ko and lt_serial.ko) but, it won't dial.
[01:05] <sladen> jakk: sudo grep 'apt-get install' /var/log/auth.log
[01:05] <sladen> jakk: you *are* using sudo, right?
[01:06] <sladen> wig: have you tried telling it to ignore dial-tone
[01:06] <EugeneK> trey -- oh, yeah. right. :)
[01:06] <wig> sladen, how would I do that?
[01:06] <jakk> yep...
[01:07] <|trey|> wig: man wvdial
[01:11] <sladen> wig: hopefully there's a tickbox.  Failing that you can pass an AT command
[01:11] <remon>   Hi all, first time I use IRC and some burning questions if I may?
[01:11] <sladen> wig: more importantly, what /actual/ error message is it failing with?
[01:11] <|trey|> remon: no need to say that... just ask the question.
[01:11] <sladen> remon: hehe, there's no need to ask-to-ask.
[01:12] <usual> is 2.6.9 in hoary yet
[01:12] <|trey|> usual: yes
[01:12] <usual> |trey|, is it the debian image or an ubuntu image
[01:12] <|trey|> usual: linux-image... so ubuntu...
[01:12] <remon> ah, wel I just have a server here (Debian) which is compromised :(
[01:12] <usual> |trey|, ok
[01:12] <wig> sladen, it's talking about a tainted kernel?
[01:13] <|trey|> usual: the meta package doesn't install it yet though, for whatever reason  :/
[01:13] <remon> by a rootkit, the TuxKit one
[01:13] <jakk> ubuntu keeps me awaky all night, what can I do?
[01:13] <jakk> awake...
[01:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> remon: gah I hate it when that happens
[01:13] <|trey|> jakk: not break stuff  :P
[01:13] <sladen> wig: the tainted kernel is in regard to you loading binary-only modules to drive the winmodem
[01:13] <|trey|> jakk: but then its no fun  :(
[01:13] <remon> Me to, but what to do about it?
[01:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> remon: reinstall
[01:13] <wig> sladen, could that be the problem, or is that nothing?
[01:13] <Hrdwr_BoB> restore backup
[01:14] <sladen> wig: what message is the dialer-program giving?
[01:14] <remon> ARGH :(
[01:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> yeah
[01:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> standard procedure
[01:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> invalidate any trust that machine had
[01:14] <wig> sladen, can i give you this text file?
[01:14] <remon> Don't get it, this rootkit is 2 year old at least
[01:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> any private keys
[01:14] <wig> maybe you can make more sense of it than I, sladen
[01:14] <Hrdwr_BoB> etc etc
[01:14] <sladen> wig: that's saying ''you're running with an unsupported setup, we cannot support it''
[01:14] <sladen> wig: ubuntu@paul.sladen.org
[01:15] <wig> okay
[01:15] <sladen> wig: you'll get it with all binary modules
[01:15] <mirak> hi
[01:15] <mirak> I have a problem with grub
[01:15] <mirak> when try to do grub-install, I get this error : The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[01:15] <wig> sent
[01:16] <wig> i dont know how to get all binary modules, though :-P
[01:17] <|trey|> mirak: apt-get install --reinstall grub and cross your fingers.
[01:17] <mirak> |trey|, I am under knoppix
[01:17] <mirak> I can't run ubuntu
[01:17] <mirak> I can chroot it however
[01:17] <|trey|> mirak: reinstall  :(
[01:17] <usual> haha apt just said i was getting 2924kB/s
[01:18] <mirak> |trey|, I don't think a reinstall would be the solution
[01:18] <wig> crap, sladen, gotta go. if you can email me any ideas, that's be great.
[01:18] <|trey|> mirak: umm... I do...
[01:18] <wig> if not, understood. thanks.
[01:18] <Ruffian|Q|> Fre-Fresh-Arere-Fresh!
[01:18] <mirak> |trey|, I don't think, so
[01:18] <mirak> or I should reformat all the hard drive
[01:18] <|trey|> mirak: yes.
[01:19] <mirak> I will not do that
[01:19] <remon> To bad to reinstall my poor server, takes ages (Old machine).
[01:19] <|trey|> mirak: see, if you can't get a functional stage1, your system is fucked... let this teach you to partition correctly/backup if you lose anything important  :/
[01:20] <|trey|> mirak: if you won't do that, you won't have a functional system... just a bunch of useless metal and plastic...
[01:20] <mirak> I did nothing special but using qtparted or fdisk
[01:20] <mirak> this qtparted crap fucked everything it seems
[01:20] <|trey|> mirak: probably qtparted b0rked it.
[01:21] <mirak> CRAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPP
[01:21] <|trey|> ...
[01:21] <|trey|> mirak: the software works if you use it right though  :/
[01:22] <mirak> ???
[01:22] <mirak> are you kidding
[01:22] <mirak> how can I miss use an IG interface
[01:22] <|trey|> no, I have never had issues  :/
[01:22] <mirak> I just deleted a partition
[01:22] <|trey|> You managed it... you tell me
[01:22] <mirak> I did nothing special
[01:22] <|trey|> mirak: you probably removed the partition that contained /boot  :/
[01:23] <|trey|> thats what it sounds like  :/
[01:23] <mirak> no
[01:23] <mirak> I can mount all the partitions
[01:23] <mirak> including the root partition with /boot
[01:23] <mirak> I can tell you what I did
[01:23] <|trey|> You tell me why the file is corrupted then...
[01:23] <mirak> how can I know
[01:23] <mirak> this file is generated by grub
[01:24] <mirak> unless there is major corruption on the sector where this file resides, there is no reason
[01:24] <mirak> what I did
[01:25] <mirak> was just move the root partition to another one
[01:25] <mirak> then I managed to boot it
[01:25] <mirak> then the next time, I deleted some useless empty partiton
[01:25] <mirak> and after that I couldn't boot
[01:26] <|trey|> Dude, its a binary file... no one can help you... you're just wasting your time when you could be reinstalling...
[01:26] <mirak> |trey|, reinstalling is a waste of time
[01:26] <mirak> I will try to reinstall grub package
[01:26] <mirak> eventually
[01:27] <|trey|> reinstalling Ubuntu takes about 20 mins, and cures all ailments... hows it a waste of time?
[01:28] <Sensebend> minimum effort vs. maximum return
[01:28] <Sensebend> just re-install if you really mess up your install
[01:28] <Sensebend> it's easier
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> yep
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's why I changed to debian originally
[01:28] <Nexinarus> Ok ive got a big problem installing Ubuntu,
[01:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> the slackware install I had was garbage :)
[01:28] <Sensebend> if you need to get data off, boot off of a livecd
[01:28] <Sensebend> and copy to a USB Key or email it to yourself
[01:29] <Sensebend> or to another machine on the network
[01:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> Sensebend: I just kept the /home directory and remove all other files
[01:29] <|trey|> mirak: seriously dude, learn to backup... reinstalling is the best way to fix annoying issues...
[01:29] <Nexinarus> just installed it 25 mins ago, and when i first boot up grub says: "loading grub stage 1.5." ... "Grub loading please wait" ... "Error 18"
[01:29] <Sensebend> I used livecds to support windows systems, actually converted a few people to linux by showing them knoppix
[01:30] <Sensebend> when they saw what one could do with it
[01:30] <Sensebend> that's not good practice?
[01:30] <Quest-Master> Ever.
[01:30] <Sensebend> If your install doesn't last a month you have issues
[01:31] <Nexinarus> Hey what do i do, my system hangs on the first boot up of Ubuntu, cant do shit,
[01:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> Quest-Master: then you have never used windows
[01:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> 'USED' I mean
[01:31] <|trey|> Quest-Master: thats bad... just get you a 2 gig partition for C: and use tweakui to put everything important on another partition...
[01:32] <|trey|> Quest-Master: Windows does fun things to the registry over time... its pretty much mandatory, else you see considerable slow down...
[01:32] <mirak> |trey|, shut up
[01:32] <Sensebend> slowdown is probably due to fragmentation of your page file more than anything
[01:32] <mirak> |trey|, that's linux not windows
[01:33] <Quest-Master> Err.
[01:33] <Quest-Master> I used Windows for almost 3 years on this computer
[01:33] <scoon> Quest-Master, I am sorry you have had to sustain such an ordeal ;)
[01:33] <eruin>  never had a problem with windows other than that it will no longer install or boot on my computer ;)
[01:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> Quest-Master: you're lucky then :)
[01:34] <Sensebend> I may be a minority here but I love Windows, I don't like supporting Windows
[01:34] <Quest-Master> But yeah.. I almost never use Windows anymore.
[01:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> Quest-Master: most windows machines will need to be reinstalled a few times over their life
[01:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> depending
[01:34] <|trey|> mirak: I have a MCSE, and several Linux certs... these are things you are required to know for such things...
[01:34] <Quest-Master> I don't like Windows at all anymore.
[01:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> the less change in the apps installed
[01:34] <Hrdwr_BoB> and the less demanding the users
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> the less likely it is
[01:35] <Astharot> Hi, I need some help :P
[01:35] <eruin> PBIBCK
[01:35] <Astharot> uh
[01:35] <Astharot> ops sorry, wrong window :P
[01:35] <Hrdwr_BoB> Astharot: don't ask to ask, ask :)
[01:36] <Astharot> Hrdwr_BoB: I have a problem with phpnuke, but Ii don't think that you can help me :P
[01:36] <Hrdwr_BoB> I might be able to, but yeah this isn't the correct channel :)
[01:36] <scoon> mirak, http://www.sysresccd.org/, check that out and see if maybe it can't help you.
[01:36] <scoon> Quest-Master, right on.
[01:37] <Astharot> Hrdwr_BoB: the fact is that I don't know what's the correct channel
[01:37] <Astharot> I thought that it was a problem with ubuntu, because phpnuke gives me blank pages, but if I make a page with <? phpinfo() ?> it works
[01:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> Astharot: #php ?
[01:38] <Astharot> Hrdwr_BoB: phpnuke is not php ! :D
[01:39] <Nexinarus> they will know about phpnuke, though
[01:39] <RedMenace> Quick questions: using 64bit ubuntu, can I compile to 32bit x86 using GCC?   Can I install 32bit apps like firefox without recompiling?
[01:40] <Hrdwr_BoB> RedMenace: 64bit ubuntu is pure 64
[01:40] <RedMenace> Are there any linux distros that can do both?
[01:40] <Nexinarus> can you not compile firefox to 64bit?
[01:41] <RedMenace> Yah, I was hoping firefox 1.0 would be available by now
[01:41] <Sensebend> firefox 1.0 is available in hoary
[01:41] <scoon> RedMenace, you may need to google for that.  I don't think 64bit is a distro thing, but rather an individual source issues.
[01:41] <Astharot> debian has 64bit packages
[01:42] <eruin> how would I add a splash image to grub?
[01:42] <scoon> Astharot, maybe so.  for a while, and maybe still so, gaim did not have anything that was 64bit. and needed special libs to run on 64's
[01:42] <Astharot> uhm
[01:42] <Astharot> so use gentoo stage 1
[01:42] <Astharot> and good luck :D
[01:42] <Astharot> (or stage 3 precompiled for 64bit)
[01:42] <scoon> Astharot, prolly won't help if the software has NOT been tweaked for 64bit.
[01:43] <scoon> Astharot, just cuz you can compile does NOT mean that the code magically becomes 64bit ready.
[01:43] <Astharot> I know..
[01:43] <Astharot> but at least
[01:43] <Astharot> big part of packages are available
[01:43] <RedMenace> It's not a big deal, really.   Was just curious.
[01:43] <scoon> Astharot, actually linux journal had an interesting article about 64bit a few months back. definately something to look for.
[01:45] <scoon> Astharot, the article..... :)
[01:45] <Astharot> few months back?
[01:45] <Astharot> I see an article about 64bit today!
[01:45] <Astharot> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7840#comment-13648
[01:45] <Sensebend> gentoo from stage 1, that's a fun way to spend a day
[01:45] <Sensebend> :)
[01:45] <scoon> Astharot, yea, like not last month but a few monts ago.
[01:45] <Astharot> uhm wait
[01:45] <Astharot> 2004-12-02 is 12 february or 2 december? :P
[01:45] <scoon> Sensebend, i guess, if you like watching console windows for a few hours.
[01:46] <scoon> Astharot, i subscribe to LJ so i have it hear somewheres.
[01:46] <Astharot> hours? you are lucky!
[01:46] <RedMenace> I downloaded the linux headers, but I don't know where to unpackage them.
[01:46] <Sensebend> after emerging KDE, I got feed up and left :)
[01:46] <scoon> Astharot, no, i have an amd2800 with 1g of ram
[01:46] <Astharot> on my athlon xp 2200+
[01:47] <Astharot> kde compiled in about 23 hours
[01:47] <scoon> Astharot, kde took me about 10 or 11
[01:47] <Sensebend> I have a 1700+ :S
[01:47] <Sensebend> took FOREVER
[01:47] <scoon> Sensebend, yikes.
[01:47] <Astharot> Sensebend: use ubuntu :P
[01:47] <scoon> Sensebend, you could start today and maybe get it compiled by version kde-4.1
[01:48] <Astharot> btw, don't know why can't see my website :P
[01:48] <scoon> Astharot, definately use this.  it is the best distro i have used in 6 years
[01:48] <Astharot> this what ?
[01:48] <Fubar> hi
[01:49] <Fubar> how is ubuntu coming along ? :)
[01:49] <RedMenace> Ok, I installed the gcc package using synaptic, but gcc does not seem to be in my path.   I don't know where it should be set, or where the C library should be located
[01:49] <scoon> Astharot, ubuntu
[01:49] <Astharot> scoon: do you like it? similar to debian ;)
[01:49] <scoon> RedMenace, try to log out and log in again.
[01:49] <Astharot> RedMenace: type which gcc
[01:49] <scoon> Astharot, well i ran red hat from version 5.2 until 8
[01:50] <Sensebend> it's debian with a faster paced release cycle
[01:50] <Sensebend> is what I always thought about Ubuntu
[01:50] <Nexinarus> relating to this problem (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WartyWarthogInstallNotes) i was unable to boot my fresh Ubuntu install. Im having a little trouble deciding how to partition the Hard drive,
[01:50] <scoon> and then ran gentoo (stage 1) for about 18months and then it just got to be to much babysitting
[01:50] <RedMenace> When I type 'which gcc', nothin comes up
[01:50] <scoon> so i tried ubuntu
[01:50] <Fubar> sensebend:  Sounds nice......
[01:50] <scoon> and it rocks.
[01:50] <Sensebend> with a bunch of nice usability stuff :)
[01:50] <Fubar> sensebend:  Cant wait for hoary! :)
[01:50] <Fubar> warty kinda buggy
[01:50] <Fubar> at least for me
[01:50] <Fubar> has a few quirks
[01:51] <Sensebend> install hoary and then tell me how buggy warty is * rolls eyes *
[01:51] <Sensebend> :)
[01:51] <Fubar> sensebend:  i was gonna download the new development release
[01:51] <Fubar> snapshot
[01:51] <Astharot> warty buggy? why?
[01:51] <Fubar> but its prolly broken
[01:51] <Sensebend> hoary works good here
[01:51] <Fubar> sense:  Not from the iso tho
[01:51] <Fubar> the installer is being worked on
[01:51] <Fubar> its a daily release, and has huge problems
[01:52] <Fubar> if u install warty and move to hoary u are fine
[01:52] <Sensebend> I did a dist upgrade via apt
[01:52] <Fubar> i know
[01:52] <Fubar> thats my whole point
[01:52] <scoon> warty is the best here
[01:53] <Nexinarus> question: if im creating a /boot partition (32mb at the begining of the hard drive) do i make it logical or primary?
[01:53] <Sensebend> if you're not prepared to deal with breakage, stick to warty
[01:53] <Fubar> sensebend:  I dont mind breakage, but i want something that wont kill my windows xp
[01:53] <Fubar> i had to reinstall my mbr since i tried development hoary
[01:54] <Fubar> if it broke INSIDE linux thats fine
[01:54] <Fubar> :P
[01:54] <Fubar> prefer if it didnt but its a testing release
[01:54] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[01:55] <Sensebend> Nexinarus, if you have to ask that question you probably shouldn't be doing it manually
[01:55] <Nexinarus> but the auto partition does not work,
[01:56] <Nexinarus> errors,
[01:56] <Sensebend> that can't be good
[01:56] <Nexinarus> no, not good,
[01:57] <Sensebend> you'd want a primary
[01:58] <Sensebend> probably
[01:58] <Nexinarus> ah yep thanks
[02:01] <farruinn> Anyone know why aptitude and dselect would not list anything that's hasn't been installed yet?
[02:01] <farruinn> but for some reason aptitude does...
[02:01] <farruinn> er, in the first message, aptitude should by synaptic
[02:03] <farruinn> synaptic says "13152 packages listed" but doesn't actually list anything
[02:03] <eruin> any of you know how to edit the actual menu in grub? (ie make it smaller, prettier)
[02:05] <Fubar> im having issue with nvidia card and gnome/X
[02:05] <Fubar> i will get like a weird black bar / whitish bar
[02:06] <Fubar> err i mean like an outline thats really quick when i click on something in gnome
[02:06] <Fubar> like mozilla
[02:06] <Fubar> or whatever
[02:06] <Fubar> webbrowser, any application
[02:06] <Fubar> i used nvidia-glx drivers
[02:06] <Fubar> which version of drivers are the glx ones?
[02:07] <Fubar> and is this a gnome or X or driver issue?
[02:09] <Nexinarus> should swap come before the main / partition?
[02:10] <farruinn> Nexinarus, I'm not sure if it matters, but I don't think that's conventional
[02:10] <farruinn> generally I think that swap comes after /
[02:10] <farruinn> that's what the autoconfiguration does anyway
[02:10] <Nexinarus> ok
[02:12] <farruinn> What's replacing synaptic in future releases?
[02:13] <jdub> nothing's replacing it
[02:13] <RedMenace> I'm having problems mounting floppies.   /dev/fd0 is in my fstab, but whenever I try to mount it says "mount: special device /dev/fd0 does not exist"
[02:13] <jdub> we just have additional better tools
[02:14] <tixy> jdub: are the tools going to aid the installation of new software, or just to manage updates to existing software?
[02:14] <farruinn> jdub, these are in hoary?
[02:14] <jdub> both
[02:14] <jdub> yes
[02:14] <tixy> thanks
[02:14] <jdub> unintegrated atm though
[02:15] <farruinn> RedMenace, have you verified that /dev/fd0 exists?
[02:15] <RedMenace> Apparently it doesn't ...
[02:15] <farruinn> have you done an ls /dev/fd0?
[02:15] <RedMenace> Yah, it doesn't exist
[02:16] <farruinn> I don't know why it wouldn't be there, but who knows...
[02:16] <RedMenace> I don't know how to add it
[02:16] <farruinn> mkmod, but I'm not sure of the details
[02:17] <RedMenace> ok, thanks
[02:17] <farruinn> Oh, check out /dev/MAKEDEV
[02:17] <farruinn> that might help
[02:18] <RedMenace> Looks a little too advanced for me
[02:18] <farruinn> yeah forget it - I spoke too soon.  that's a script, not what I thought it was
[02:18] <Fubar> eruin:  I was wondering the same thing
[02:18] <Fubar> eruin:  Which driver version is the nividia-glx drivers?
[02:19] <eruin> 6111
[02:19] <Fubar> no i mean from apt get
[02:19] <Fubar> oh 6111
[02:19] <eruin> yeah ;>
[02:19] <Fubar> 6629 is the new one
[02:19] <eruin> yup
[02:19] <Fubar> eruin:  Gotcha
[02:19] <Fubar> eruin:  Im having an issue with my nvidia and gnome
[02:20] <Fubar> im wondering if the drivers will fix it (if its driver issue) or an x/gnome issue
[02:20] <eruin> I haven't had a problem with the 6629-drivers myself, so I thought I'd just upgrade to them in ubuntu too
[02:20] <MarcN> I'm upgrading from ubuntu to hoary and X seems to be unconfigured.  What the the command to run through the config
[02:20] <Fubar> eruin:  I have a mx 420, when i click on icons i get this weird thing thats quick
[02:20] <Fubar> in gnome
[02:20] <Fubar> should i report it to nvidia?
[02:21] <crimsun> MarcN: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:22] <RedMenace> Anyone have an idea how to add a floppy driver to the 64bit ubuntu?
[02:22] <eruin> Fubar: which weird thing?
[02:22] <Nexinarus> heh, latest cpu with oldest disk technology,
[02:22] <crimsun> floppy diskettes aren't that bad :p
[02:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> crimsun: pfff
[02:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes they
[02:22] <Hrdwr_BoB> are
[02:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> they are ENTIRELY obsolete
[02:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> esp on that hardware
[02:23] <Hrdwr_BoB> which can boot from hdd, usb and cdrom
[02:23] <crimsun> I carry around openbsd and debian woody boot floppies in my satchel
[02:23] <Nexinarus> they dont last me 2 hours, break on me heh. but they are fun for 1.4mb linux distros
[02:24] <Nexinarus> ah stupid partitioner,
[02:24] <Hrdwr_BoB> I prefer a usb stick with some more useful stuff on it
[02:26] <farruinn> saved me more than once
[02:28] <mira1> |trey|: I managed to boot with lilo
[02:28] <mira1> so you can tell me more about reinstals
[02:29] <mira1> about your reinstal stories
[02:29] <mira1> thanks for your advice anyway, that's better than nothing
[02:40] <Fubar> AWESOME
[02:40] <Fubar> Red Hat, Novell To Package Xen Open-Source Alternative To VMware
[02:40] <Fubar> xen is free ehh?
[02:41] <crimsun> always has been
[02:41] <Fubar> i didnt know there was a freebie to vmware :)
[02:41] <Fubar> vmware = EXPENSIVe
[02:41] <Quest-Master> Most people warez it, lol
[02:41] <sladen> Quest-Master: that would be immoral and illegal
[02:41] <crimsun> no point, really. Xen is quite nice.
[02:41] <Quest-Master> Exactly.
[02:41] <Nexinarus> shit, its working. ha
[02:42] <Fubar> warez of vmware, no thanks i dont do warez
[02:42] <Fubar> i only run gpl
[02:42] <sladen> Quest-Master: especially give you get a free monthly licenses for running it on Linux
[02:42] <Fubar> oh wait and nvidia closed source (doh)
[02:42] <Fubar> the glx arent gpl
[02:42] <Fubar> i wish it was tho
[02:44] <Fubar> can u run xen on windows?
[02:44] <Fubar> or no?
[02:44] <Fubar> if i could run xen on windows it would be ideal cause of mbr issues with linux
[02:45] <crimsun> one can, but they're not allowed to release it publicly
[02:45] <Fubar> crimsun:  why not?
[02:45] <Fubar> its gpl
[02:45] <Fubar> gpl excludes windows?
[02:45] <Fubar> even if u release the source code?
[02:46] <crimsun> Fubar: read http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/faq.html#a1.4  please.
[02:46] <Fubar> thanks
[02:46] <Fubar> A port of Windows XP was developed for an earlier version of Xen, but is not available for release due to licence restrictions.
[02:46] <Fubar> A port of Windows XP was developed for an earlier version of Xen, but is not available for release due to licence restrictions.
[02:46] <Fubar> oops
[02:46] <Fubar> sorry bout the double post
[02:46] <Fubar> yeah i see it
[02:47] <Quest-Master> So Xen is freeware? Now?
[02:47] <crimsun> always has been
[02:47] <Quest-Master> :o
[02:47] <crimsun> it is an ongoing Cambridge research project
[02:49] <Quest-Master> Ah, no WinXP though as you guys said
[02:50] <Nexinarus> now i know why Mandrake never booted, my bios.
[02:53] <Nexinarus> thanks for questions, later.
[02:57] <Matt|> hoary is really in good shape atm
[02:58] <Matt|> in the last few days it has become pretty solid imo
[02:58] <Deknix> im upgrading 43 files
[02:58] <mroth> hoary is making apt-get upgrade make me feel like i get my money's worth paying for broadband at home
[02:58] <Deknix> hehe
[02:58] <Deknix> good one
[02:58] <Matt|> *grins* yeah they are crazy hard working
[02:59] <Matt|> must be something like 30 packages uploaded a day
[02:59] <Deknix> it seems to me that gnome 2.9.2 is really snappy
[02:59] <Matt|> me too
[03:00] <mroth> where does Gnome return the base version number anyhow?
[03:00] <Deknix> ??
[03:01] <mroth> e.g. the equivalent of uname -a
[03:01] <Matt|> checkout the package number or something ;p
[03:02] <Matt|> there is something about The Smiths that makes you have to roll around
[03:02] <MarcN> mroth: I'm in the midst of an ubuntu->hoary and it is taking a while...
[03:02] <mroth> I'm in the midst of hoary yesterday -> hoary today, and its taking a while too, so i'm not surprised
[03:02] <Matt|> *grins*
[03:03] <Deknix> smiths.. as in morrisey?
[03:03] <Matt|> you betcha
[03:03] <mroth> someone needs to make a cool apt-get replacement that works with binary-diff files
[03:03] <Deknix> you got you are the quarrey?
[03:03] <Matt|> Deknix, not sure
[03:03] <Matt|> anyone know how to make the fonts in xmms look decent?
[03:04] <Matt|> is it is gtk1 thing?
[03:04] <Fubar> http://screenshots.haque.net/screenshots/view/16062/screenshot-16062.jpg
[03:04] <Fubar> mac os x look on a pc
[03:04] <farruinn> Isn't there a way to mount afp as a filesystem?  I thought that it was afp_mount, but apt-cache search isn't finding it...
[03:04] <mroth> anyone know the kernel plans for hoary?  i'm surprised 2.6.9 isnt in hoary yet, and i'm really hoping for 2.6.10 for release
[03:04] <Fubar> when is linux gonna be ready ! :P
[03:05] <Matt|> mroth, it is in duh
[03:05] <Fubar> i mean REALLY ready for desktop
[03:05] <mroth> Matt|: when?
[03:05] <Matt|> they packaged it yesterday
[03:05] <mroth> ahh
[03:05] <Deknix> Fubar shortly before windows is
[03:05] <farruinn> Fubar, shit, that's xp or something?
[03:05] <Matt|> mroth, but there have been test kernels around for a while
[03:05] <MarcN> mroth: what is in .10 that is so appealing?
[03:05] <Matt|> MarcN, :)
[03:06] <mroth> MarcN: .9 and .10 both have big ACPI improvements, nice for laptops
[03:06] <spity> MarcN: bigger version? </sarcasm> :)
[03:06] <mroth> .9 got suspend-to-ram to finally work on my vaio
[03:06] <Matt|> spity, :)
[03:06] <Anzze> could i use warty cd-rom to do a hoary installation? by changing the rep during installation from warty to hoary? is it safe?
[03:06] <Nivlem> Hi all
[03:06] <MarcN> mroth: fair enough.  I'm running on a laptop (hp/compaq nc6000)
[03:06] <Fubar> anzze yes yes yes
[03:06] <Matt|> Anzze, yes, got a decent net connection?
[03:06] <mroth> and i hear .10 fixes some problem that prevents suspend for a lot of different laptop models.. something with the USB i think
[03:07] <Matt|> 10 is stable now?
[03:07] <Fubar> matt;  yeah it takes forever even at 5mbps
[03:07] <mroth> 10 is rc2, hasnt been released
[03:07] <Fubar> if you got fios go for it :)
[03:07] <Anzze> 512kbps should be decent in my country
[03:07] <Fubar> err fiber i mean
[03:07] <Anzze> it took 4 hours to d/l 460 yesterday
[03:07] <Fubar> 512?  thats gonna take forever
[03:07] <Anzze> 4 hours at most
[03:07] <Matt|> Anzze, i'm on 512 thats fine
[03:07] <Fubar> my 5 mbps is slow
[03:07] <mroth> its been rc2 for a long time though, i'm hoping it goes final soon enough to be considered for hoary
[03:07] <Matt|> Fubar, stfu
[03:07] <Fubar> i had 10MBPS before and guess what that was slow too
[03:07] <Matt|> seriously now, stfu
[03:08] <Fubar> matt:  u prolly have better service than me tho
[03:08] <Anzze> done deal.. guess i'll just edit the rep and do a direct hoary installation
[03:08] <Matt|> Fubar, it's solid 512 yeah
[03:08] <Fubar> matt:  My 5mbps has horrible routing and issues
[03:08] <Matt|> Anzze, hoary is not stable don't forget
[03:08] <Fubar> matt:  Im waiting for 30mbps which may be here sometime next year
[03:08] <Anzze> it's stable enough.. i'm on it at the current machine
[03:08] <Fubar> its 199 a month tho so i dont know if i wanna spend that much
[03:08] <Matt|> Fubar, do you download raw video?
[03:08] <Anzze> xorg isn't giving me any problems so far
[03:08] <Matt|> Fubar, or run a data center
[03:09] <Fubar> matt:  30MBPS is for home use
[03:09] <Matt|> Anzze, ok just don't try it for anything important
[03:09] <gen> fubar, shut up
[03:09] <Matt|> Fubar, yeah seriously
[03:09] <Anzze> ciao.. check back later after installation
[03:09] <Nivlem> The only not I would make would be if you for some reason want to use kde...you have to go through package selection...but it will die trying to install kcontrol...just force the install from apt-cache..
[03:09] <Nivlem> *note*
[03:09] <Fubar> matt:  Anyways this was ubuntu, howd we get off topic <Grin>
[03:09] <Fubar> 512k is barely enuff
[03:10] <Fubar> but anyways
[03:10] <Matt|> *sighs*
[03:10] <Fubar> matt ull get fiber soon tho :)
[03:10] <Matt|> nope
[03:10] <Fubar> the usa should be wired by 2010
[03:10] <Fubar> if ur in usa
[03:10] <Matt|> usa yourself
[03:10] <Matt|> never
[03:10] <Matt|> anyway i don't spend that much money on something i don't need
[03:10] <Matt|> 512 is fine
[03:11] <mroth> hmm, lot of stuff today which seems to need a dist-upgrade
[03:11] <Fubar> matt u in the uk?
[03:11] <Fubar> pipex
[03:11] <Matt|> i share it with my flatmate and serve webpage and ftp off 512
[03:11] <Matt|> yeah
[03:11] <Fubar> flatmate
[03:11] <Fubar> yah thats uk
[03:11] <Matt|> sorry roomie
[03:11] <Fubar> matt:  No u were correct
[03:11] <Fubar> matt:  flatmate isnt an american term :P
[03:11] <mroth> er.. why does dist-upgrade for today want to remove gdesklets?  did i miss something here
[03:12] <Nivlem> I have been unsuccessful in determining whether HFSPlus journaled filesystem is known to only mount read only at this time? Is this a know limitation?
[03:12] <Matt|> mroth, it's "smart" upgrading ;)
[03:12] <Nivlem> *known*
[03:12] <Fubar> matt:  UK will have fiber too sooner than USA nationwide IMHO
[03:12] <Matt|> Nivlem, never even heard of that
[03:12] <mroth> Matt|: eh?
[03:12] <GotD0t> Fubar: thats because the UK is a much smaller land mass ;-)
[03:12] <Matt|> mroth, it's smart, so gets rid of gdesklets
[03:12] <Nivlem> Matt| Cuzz you aren't running Macintosh... ;-)
[03:13] <Matt|> Nivlem, oh yeah it's coming back now
[03:13] <Fubar> gotd0t:  No cause of regulatory differences
[03:13] <Matt|> Fubar, anyway no chance of me getting it
[03:13] <GotD0t> Fubar: and because its smaller... hehe
[03:13] <Matt|> oy
[03:13] <Fubar> matt:  plenty of trials for fttp in uk now
[03:13] <Matt|> it's quality not quantity GotD0t
[03:14] <Fubar> mattb whos ur telco?
[03:14] <Fubar> in the uk
[03:14] <GotD0t> Matt|: no matter how you slice it, its going to take longer to wire a country the size of US when compared to the size of the UK... its not meant to be offensive or anything
[03:14] <Matt|> Fubar, my what?
[03:15] <Fubar> matt:  Telephone company
[03:15] <Matt|> GotD0t, me neither
[03:15] <Fubar> matt:  Like EC telecom, british telecom, etc...
[03:15] <Matt|> Fubar, erm... there are not many. British Telecom
[03:15] <Fubar> matt:  Ok
[03:15] <Fubar> BT is good :)
[03:15] <Fubar> matt:  Mind if I /msg you?
[03:15] <Matt|> go
[03:15] <Fubar> since this is kinda off topic
[03:15] <Fubar> people will get annoyed
[03:17] <Matt|> it's quiet here at this time o nite ;)
[03:22] <Matt|> whos got abiword installed on hoary?
[03:26] <epotash> hi
[03:26] <epotash> how can i install ubuntu on a laptop with no cdrom
[03:26] <epotash> but floppy
[03:26] <wig> sladen, did you notice anything in the thing i sent you?
[03:26] <epotash> it is currently running debian woody
[03:27] <farruinn> epotash, I wouldn't try this, but since Ubuntu is based on Debian perhaps it's possible to change the repository and do an "upgrade" - it's an intriguing idea
[03:28] <epotash> well is there a boot floppy for network install
[03:28] <Matt|> epotash, yeah that is possible there is a FAQ, i can't think of any other way you could do it
[03:28] <Matt|> no
[03:28] <epotash> oh
[03:28] <epotash> is there a way to download the cd images and mount them
[03:28] <epotash> and then boot to the
[03:28] <epotash> m
[03:28] <srbaker> yo
[03:28] <srbaker> anyone here run ubuntu on an imac?
[03:29] <srbaker> i need to move the screen around.
[03:29] <srbaker> OS X isn't on this imac, so i don't have Display Preferences
[03:29] <farruinn> srbaker, what do you mean by "move the screen around"?
[03:30] <Matt|> epotash, can't think of it. Browse the FAQs and WIKIs for the guide to upgrading from woody
[03:30] <srbaker> farruinn, well, the imac doesn't have hardware buttons to stretch/resize the image on the screen
[03:30] <Fubar> rediculous coincidence ehhh matt?
[03:30] <farruinn> ooooh
[03:31] <Fubar> see we both are gonna get it :)
[03:31] <Fubar> me in 2006/2007 you in 2006 maybe
[03:31] <Fubar> or earlier :)
[03:31] <sladen> wig: the script can't handle spaces in filenames.  Do  'cd'  to get back to your home directory first
[03:31] <wig> sladen, hrm?
[03:32] <sladen> wig: you're running it from  /mnt/something/Documents and Settings/wig
[03:32] <wig> right.
[03:32] <wig> so, go into my home?
[03:32] <sladen> wig: just type  cd
[03:32] <sladen> wig: on its own, which will take you back there
[03:32] <wig> yeah
[03:33] <wig> thanks.
[03:33] <sladen> wig: as to whether that'll change the final outcome, I don't know.  But it'll fix those 'File not found' errors
[03:33] <wig> sladen, alright.
[03:33] <wig> sladen, thanks. hopefully it "might" work, but nothing has worked this far, so my hopes aren't high :-P
[03:35] <lev> Hey can somebody please help me.. :(
[03:35] <lev> I cant get my sound to work on my Dell Inspiron 8600
[03:35] <lev> Ubuntulinux.org gave me some instructins but i have no idea what to do..
[03:36] <Matt|> whos got abiword installed on hoary?
[03:38] <Matt|> k nite all
[03:39] <Fubar> i never met matt before and i picked out of thousands of places in london where he lives
[03:39] <Fubar> err i mean i knew it was london and the town
[03:39] <Fubar> yet ive never been to london b4
[03:39] <Fubar> or uk for that matter
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[03:39] <Fubar> scary
[03:40] <lev> can anyone help me?
[03:40] <Fubar> hi lev
[03:40] <Fubar> whats up?
[03:40] <GotD0t> lev ask away
[03:40] <stodge> Anyone using Ubuntu with an AMD64?
[03:41] <lev> i need help on gettting my wireless to work
[03:41] <lev> i have an inspiron 8600
[03:41] <lev> the intructions on ubuntulinux.org were not that great
[03:41] <lev> i have a PRO/Wirless LAN 2100
[03:42] <lev> It said that i need to add ndiswrapper or something...
[03:42] <lev> i have no idea what to do.. :(
[03:42] <jdub> you don't have to
[03:43] <jdub> that's an intel
[03:43] <jdub> isn't it?
[03:43] <jdub> should just work
[03:43] <jdub> with the ipw2100 driver
[03:43] <lev> well it doesnt
[03:43] <lev> where do i get that driver
[03:43] <lev> i am pretty new at linux ...
[03:43] <lev> i dont really know how to do much
[03:44] <jdub> it's in ubuntu already
[03:44] <lev> so what do i do?
[03:45] <K-otiK> if i update mozilla does it come with the most recent plugins?
[03:45] <lev> jdub, what do i have to do?
[03:46] <jdub> lev: try typing 'sudo modprobe ipw2100'
[03:46] <lev> nothing happened
[03:48] <TheMuso> lev: Have you configured an interface for use with your wireless card?
[03:48] <lev> ehat do yo mean?
[03:48] <lev> what*
[03:49] <lev> jdub, nothing happene dhwen i did that
[03:50] <farruinn> I don't believe that modprobe gives you any feedback
[03:50] <jdub> lev: now type 'dmesg'
[03:50] <vigilanty> what would be the best Ubuntu system for my athlon 2200 chip?
[03:50] <jdub> vigilanty: there is only one ubuntu release :)
[03:50] <vigilanty> i can't get it to work...
[03:51] <jdub> vigilanty: you downloaded warty?
[03:51] <lev> ok, a whgle bunch of stuff came up
[03:51] <vigilanty> i may need help trying to install this os on several systems.
[03:51] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I make a shorcut for my home on my desktop?
[03:51] <spity> does UTF-8 work fine, i mean with ncurses apps and with mc
[03:51] <vigilanty> what's warty
[03:51] <jdub> lev: do the last few lines mention wireless, intel, anything?
[03:52] <jdub> vigilanty: warty is the current release, 4.10
[03:52] <vigilanty> what processors does it support?
[03:52] <jdub> pretty much everything
[03:52] <lev> no it just says like p3 1200 mhz , 20000 mW, 250 uS
[03:53] <lev> ^jdub
[03:53] <vigilanty> well why can't I get it to install on this athlon 2200 machine...
[03:53] <jdub> lev: type ifconfig -a
[03:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I make a shorcut for my home on my desktop?
[03:53] <TheMuso> lev: is that at the bottom of dmesg?
[03:53] <jdub> vigilanty: there are all sorts of reasons :) what happens?
[03:53] <lev> jdub, what now?
[03:53] <vigilanty> ok...
[03:53] <lev> the , yea
[03:53] <vigilanty> may I pm?
[03:53] <regeya> are the 2.6.9 ubuntu kernel sources patched with the inotify patch?
[03:53] <jdub> lev: what's listed in the left hand column?
[03:53] <jdub> vigilanty: keep it on channel
[03:53] <vigilanty> ok...
[03:53] <jdub> regeya: i believe so, yes
[03:54] <regeya> cool
[03:54] <lev> jdub, lo and sit0
[03:54] <vigilanty> well, i have the install disk for ubuntu i386...
[03:54] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I make a shorcut for my home on my desktop?
[03:54] <jdub> lev: ok, so that means your driver isn't loaded
[03:54] <vigilanty> tryin to install on an athlon 2200 processor.
[03:54] <lev> how do i load it?
[03:55] <jdub> that's what we tried before
[03:55] <jdub> anyway
[03:55] <jdub> type 'lspci'
[03:55] <TheMuso> jdub: What about firmware?
[03:55] <lev> jdub: ok now what
[03:55] <vigilanty> while installing, the pc freezes
[03:55] <jdub> TheMuso: already installed
[03:55] <TheMuso> lev: Do you have the ipw2100 firmware?
[03:55] <lev> what is that?
[03:55] <_|Imanewbie|_>  I know I'm beeing annoing but I damm need it
[03:55] <jdub> lev: is there a Network or Ethernet item in that list?
[03:55] <jdub> TheMuso: they're installed by default, let's not get complex yet :)
[03:55] <lev> it says network controller : Intel corp. Pro/wirless 2100 LAN
[03:56] <TheMuso> ok
[03:56] <jdub> lev: "dmesg | grep -i intel"
[03:56] <lev> what is that line?
[03:56] <lev> haha i dont know how to make it..
[03:56] <jdub> run that
[03:57] <lev> NVM
[03:57] <lev> ok... now what
[03:57] <jdub> what does it say?
[03:57] <lev> CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1400MHz stepping 05
[03:57] <lev> agpgart: Detected an Intel 855PM Chipset.
[03:57] <lev> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #1
[03:57] <lev> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.1: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #2
[03:57] <lev> uhci_hcd 0000:00:1d.2: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB UHCI #3
[03:57] <lev> ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) USB2 EHCI Controller
[03:57] <lev> Intel ICH: probe of 0000:00:1f.5 failed with error -16
[03:57] <lev> Intel ICH Modem: probe of 0000:00:1f.6 failed with error -16
[03:57] <lev> ipw2100: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2100 Network Driver, 0.53
[03:57] <lev> ipw2100: Copyright(c) 2003-2004 Intel Corporation
[03:57] <lev> there is some error...
[03:57] <jdub> mmm?
[03:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> How can I make a shortcut for myu home folder on my desktop?
[03:58] <lev> :(
[03:58] <jdub> lev: what is the error?
[03:58] <ironwolf> _|Imanewbie|_: what have you tried already?
[03:58] <lev> it says... failed with error -16
[03:58] <jdub> _|Imanewbie|_: /apps/nautilus/general in gconf-editor
[03:58] <lev> it says the driver is there though... :-\
[03:59] <lev> ipw2100: intel(r) Pro/wirless 2100 network driver
[03:59] <farruinn> _|Imanewbie|_, You could browse to /home in nautilus as well and then control-shift-drag your home folder to the desktop
[04:00] <farruinn> that puts a shortcut
[04:00] <lev> jdub.. ?
[04:00] <vigilanty> i need a Unix os to work with my Athlon 2200 chip...
[04:00] <jdub> lev: not sure
[04:00] <vigilanty> any sugestions?
[04:00] <ironwolf> jdub: thank you.
[04:00] <jdub> vigilanty: you need to post to the ubuntu-users list with a description of the problem
[04:00] <lev> jdub... so what should i do? :(
[04:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> farruinn: it creates an infinite link
[04:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdub: I cant find it
[04:01] <jdub> lev: post to ubuntu-users
[04:01] <lev> ok, thanks
[04:01] <jdub> _|Imanewbie|_: can't find what?
[04:01] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdub: gvonf-editor
[04:01] <jdub> _|Imanewbie|_: system tools > configuration editor or run gconf-editor at a terminal
[04:02] <farruinn> _|Imanewbie|_, not sure what you mean by infinite link...  worked for me
[04:02] <lev> jdub, in the ubuntu forum some guy said his worked when he set it up as eth0.. how do you do that to a wireless card??
[04:03] <jdub> lev: you don't really do that directly, and it's unrelated to the driver not connecting to an interface
[04:03] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdub: didnt work
[04:04] <jdub> _|Imanewbie|_: "didn't work"? you need to explain yourself
[04:04] <lev> huh, i dont get what that means.
[04:04] <jdub> lev: it's unrelated to the problem
[04:04] <lev> oh..
[04:04] <lev> damn. i dont know what to do. :(
[04:04] <_|Imanewbie|_> jdub: solved =)
[04:04] <lev> THis is the only reason i have not switched over completely.
[04:04] <lev> I wish i knew what to do.
[04:05] <jdub> i've suggested you post to ubuntu-users
[04:05] <lev> what should i say
[04:05] <jdub> you can also come back at different times
[04:05] <lev> thanks for all your help though :)
[04:05] <jdub> lev: provide useful information to help people solve the problem, like the answers you've given me
[04:05] <lev> okay
[04:05] <lev> but what exactly is the problem? I really have no idea what all this means.
[04:06] <vigilanty> tell me, is an athlon 2200 a 64 bit processor?
[04:06] <spity> no
[04:06] <Gmail> oh crap i see a nasty bug
[04:09] <Nexinarus> ha suckas posting from ubuntu.
[04:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I add new I cons to my themes?
[04:10] <jdub> lev: if i knew the precise problem, you'd have working wifi by now
[04:13] <_|Imanewbie|_> ???
[04:16] <vigilanty> should the warty-release-install-powerpc.iso image do fine on my 1.8 ghz processor?
[04:16] <farruinn> vigilanty, heh, why wouldn't it?  I'd take that any day over my 233Mhz g3!
[04:17] <vigilanty> well, this ain't exactly mine...
[04:17] <Nexinarus> hey where would i find the "c:\program files\mozilla firefox\" of ubuntu?
[04:17] <vigilanty> i'm just tryin to hook a friend up with a better os
[04:17] <Nexinarus> new to this,
[04:17] <jdub> vigilanty: what kind of processor?
[04:17] <jdub> vigilanty: what kind of computer?
[04:17] <vigilanty> amd 2200
[04:17] <jdub> no
[04:17] <jdub> that is not a powerpc
[04:18] <jdub> that is an i386
[04:18] <vigilanty> then what is it?
[04:18] <jdub> download the i386 verion
[04:18] <vigilanty> i did.
[04:18] <jdub> right
[04:18] <jdub> and as you described, it "stops"
[04:18] <vigilanty> got the full install burnt out already, and in the laptop.
[04:18] <jdub> you need to write a more detailed description and post it to ubuntu-users
[04:18] <vigilanty> u want more info?
[04:19] <vigilanty> un momento por favor
[04:19] <mroth> yah for kernel updates
[04:19] <vigilanty> resuming the instalation.
[04:19] <pixelmonkey> I just got my CDs in the mail and they are so cool, but here's what's cooler: I'm giving a talk on Linux on Tuesday, and I expect about 40 people to show up, so I'll definitely be able to give them all away
[04:19] <meff> anyone know how to make the gtk1.2 font smaller in hoary?
[04:19] <vigilanty> started.
[04:20] <farruinn> is a ppc livecd in the works?
[04:20] <pixelmonkey> I can't believe that Ubuntu is giving away not just single CDs, but CDs in a nice sleeve with both a livecd and an install cd
[04:20] <spity> meff: sensible-editor ~/.gtkrc
[04:20] <vigilanty> and just that fast stopped.
[04:20] <pixelmonkey> farruinn, not sure, but that would be nice
[04:20] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Where did it stop?
[04:20] <meff> spacedman: my .gtkrc.mine has a font definition.. but no gtk1.2 apps are using it.
[04:20] <pixelmonkey> farruinn, I did get an official PPC and an official AMD64 (one each) so I can burn them on request
[04:21] <meff> err
[04:21] <_|Imanewbie|_>  I want to use for exemple myst icons with deepblue theme, how do I add myst icons?
[04:21] <meff> spity: my .gtkrc.mine has a font definition.. but no gtk1.2 apps are using it.
[04:21] <vigilanty> at a line      ACPI: Subsystem revision 20040816
[04:21] <vigilanty> that was the very last line.
[04:21] <TheMuso> hmmm. Sounds like an acpi problem.
[04:21] <spity> meff: dunno, how gtk actually works, i have just ~/.gtkrc
[04:22] <vigilanty> what's acpi
[04:22] <Nexinarus> power management
[04:22] <vigilanty> and how do i disable it?
[04:22] <TheMuso> vigilanty: I can't put my hands on an install CD right now and fire it up, but have you looked into the different methods of booting the live CD?
[04:22] <Nexinarus> advanced something power somethingelse :p
[04:22] <GotD0t> i dont think you would want to vigilanty
[04:22] <vigilanty> i havn't got the live yet.
[04:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I start a pprivate chat with irssi?
[04:22] <TheMuso> GotD0t: Maybe not, but at least it is worth a try for the install.
[04:23] <TheMuso> Nexinarus: Advanced Configuration and Power Interface
[04:23] <vigilanty> well, this is a hp pavilion ze4400 laptop...
[04:23] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, acpi is the standard used for things like sleep mode (aka ACPI S3), suspend to disk (hibernate or ACPI S4), and events from your computer, such as hitting the power button, temperature readout, closing the lid of your laptop, etc.
[04:24] <vigilanty> i understand...
[04:24] <vigilanty> tips on solving this prob?
[04:24] <Nexinarus> hey if im trying to find where what would be in windows "program files\mozilla firefox\" in ubuntu linux, where do i look? im trying to find the searchplugins folder.
[04:24] <TheMuso> vigilanty: If it is a laptop, you certainly need it, but if you can at least get the install running without it for the time being, a more perminant fix may be able to be worked out later.
[04:24] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, sorry, what's the problem
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> Nexinarus, dpkg -l mozilla-firefox
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> sorry, -L
[04:25] <_|Imanewbie|_> how do I start a pprivate chat with irssi?
[04:25] <vigilanty> sounds fine TheMuso...
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> Nexinarus, that'll tell you all files mozilla-firefox package has installed
[04:25] <vigilanty> now, how do i go aobut doing that.
[04:25] <pixelmonkey> Nexinarus, grep for plugins (do you know pipes, etc.?)
[04:26] <amathis> where is the file where you uncomment warty universe?
[04:26] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, well, you can disable ACPI as a kernel parameter... not sure if you can do that with the boot cd
[04:26] <TheMuso> Ok, upon booting from the CD, I think there is a key you can press for finding out how to boot the CD with particular options. Do that and see what you get.
[04:26] <pixelmonkey> I forget, does the boot cd present you with a boot: prompt?
[04:26] <TheMuso> amathis: /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:27] <pixelmonkey> if so, you can put with pci=noacpi
[04:27] <vigilanty> working...
[04:27] <vigilanty> boot methods...
[04:27] <vigilanty> found
[04:27] <Nexinarus> thanks pixelmonkey
[04:27] <mroth> hmm.. i updated the kernel to 2.6.9 and it looks like it doesnt have the nvidia kernel module anymore, so x wont start with current config
[04:28] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, see how you can pass kernel parameters, and then pci=noacpi will disable acpi
[04:28] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, is your PC a laptop?
[04:28] <vigilanty> yes
[04:28] <mroth> is the nvidia-glx package not set up to install into all active kernel modules?
[04:28] <pixelmonkey> hmm, well that's a bad sign then... what laptop? :)
[04:28] <vigilanty> hold on dude...
[04:28] <vigilanty> to fast
[04:28] <vigilanty> i got 3 available boot methods.
[04:28] <pixelmonkey> Nexinarus, on Debian systems (like Ubuntu), dpkg and apt-get and apt-cache are your friends and make your life very easy :)
[04:29] <vigilanty> linux, expert, and custom-expert.
[04:29] <vigilanty> should I choose the 3rd?
[04:29] <pixelmonkey> erm, hmm... maybe custom
[04:29] <vigilanty> ok
[04:29] <pixelmonkey> I should just lookup the line for you to type at boot:
[04:29] <vigilanty> loading...
[04:30] <EFS> Any GNOME/samba gurus on-line?  I can browse my network, but can't connect to a share.
[04:30] <vigilanty> again, hangin on the stupid power mgmt s#!t...
[04:30] <pixelmonkey> EFS: what error?
[04:30] <EFS> Just hangs.
[04:30] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, okay, I'll find you the line you need to type at boot:... there is a boot: prompt right?
[04:30] <vigilanty> just hangs.
[04:30] <vigilanty> yes
[04:30] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, okay, let me be a google ninja for a second
[04:30] <vigilanty> f1 for help, enter to boot.
[04:31] <pixelmonkey> EFS: before or after asking for credentials?
[04:31] <vigilanty> i've been all over google and dogpile.
[04:31] <meff> try acpi=off?
[04:31] <EFS> After.  (First time on IRC, how do I direct directly to you?)
[04:31] <jBook> hello
[04:31] <mroth> hmm.. there isnt a linux-restricted-modules-2.6.9 yet is there
[04:31] <mroth> so no nvidia in 2.6.9 yet :/
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> ok vigilanty
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, boot back off the CD, when boot: comes up type "linux pci=noacpi"
[04:32] <pixelmonkey> and see what happens
[04:32] <vigilanty> what's significant about there being no nvidia in 2.6.9 yet?
[04:33] <vigilanty> still hangs...
[04:33] <TheMuso> vigilanty: The NVIDIA drivers have not been built against 2.6.9 for Hoary yet I presume.
[04:33] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Ok, try this: "linux acpi=off"
[04:34] <pixelmonkey> TheMuso, I was hoping it was just his BIOS :)
[04:35] <vigilanty> HAH!!!
[04:35] <vigilanty> found it.
[04:35] <TheMuso> pixelmonkey: Well if it works this way, it singles out ACPI of some sort in one go.
[04:35] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, works?
[04:35] <vigilanty> no
[04:35] <vigilanty> i found somethin else...
[04:35] <vigilanty> it may work...
[04:35] <pixelmonkey> what did you find?
[04:35] <smo> anyone handy with alsa?  playback via alsa just loops the first half-second or so constantly. oss via xmms plays fine. any suggestions?
[04:35] <vigilanty> special boot parameters - installation system page
[04:36] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, so acpi=off didn't work?
[04:36] <TheMuso> smo: What card have you got?
[04:36] <vigilanty> didn't try it yet.
[04:36] <vigilanty> stumbled upon this.
[04:36] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, okay, give it a shot, it will probably work with acpi=off
[04:36] <vigilanty> gimme one sec...
[04:36] <smo> TheMuso: atm I'm trying soundblaster Live 5.1 with emu10k1
[04:36] <vigilanty> no
[04:36] <vigilanty> ] wait
[04:37] <smo> TheMuso: I've also tried a sb live 24bit with audigyls, and got the same result
[04:37] <vigilanty> the command is hw-detect/start_pcmi=false
[04:37] <TheMuso> smo: What program are you trying to use to play music?
[04:37] <pixelmonkey> anyone here know a good gnome2 process/task manager that isn't gnome-system-monitor?
[04:37] <TheMuso> vigilanty: I guess it is worth a try.
[04:37] <smo> TheMuso: aplay right now.  I figured the palyer alsa provides would be a good baseline
[04:38] <TheMuso> smo: So it does it with aplay? Hmmm. I would try another player anyway just to see what happens.
[04:38] <vigilanty> mother fudger...
[04:38] <TheMuso> vigilanty: No go?
[04:39] <vigilanty> no
[04:39] <vigilanty> acpi still crash.
[04:39] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Ok, try what I suggested above.
[04:39] <TheMuso> "linux acpi=off"
[04:39] <TheMuso> without the quotes of couse.
[04:39] <TheMuso> course
[04:39] <dhrasmus> hello, got a quick question about mounting my usb thumb drive- when I plug it in, i see "USB Mass Storage support registered." - but there are no /dev/sd* devices- is there any way to change that, or some other name they go by?
[04:39] <vigilanty> and i got 3 hrs before the live disk is done.
[04:40] <vigilanty> is there not a boot mode in which i can choose to run a driver or not?
[04:40] <sls> hi -- why does ubuntu seem to run better on old hardware (333 Mzh &128 RAM) than Fedora?
[04:40] <TheMuso> dhrasmus: So it doesn't appear to be mounted?
[04:40] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, you reading your syslog to see that?
[04:40] <dhrasmus> pixelmonkey: that text was from dmesg
[04:40] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Did that not work for you either?
[04:41] <sls> Fedora is  completely un usable on this system... yet Ubunto works OK...
[04:41] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, ah, well try tail -n 150 /var/log/syslog and see what messages udev spits out, if any
[04:41] <vigilanty> woah
[04:41] <vigilanty> it worked.
[04:41] <vigilanty> linux acpi=off...
[04:41] <TheMuso> Good to hear.
[04:41] <vigilanty> damnit...
[04:41] <illsorted> Does anyone know how I can run the Synaptic Package Manager in XCFE4? I tried running "sudo synaptic" from the console, and also added a launcher to my panel. neither works.
[04:42] <dhrasmus> themuso: nope, not mounted.  on the other debian-based systems i've got, i just setup something in fstab for mounting /dev/sd* devices on /mnt/flashx mountpoints
[04:42] <TheMuso> That is good temporarily at least, but one needs acpi to do things like battery monitoring, etc.
[04:42] <bytecoder> illsorted: what errors do you get?
[04:42] <vigilanty> most people wouldn't understand the work of a comp technician...
[04:42] <dhrasmus> but i can't find the device files in /dev to mount the drive with
[04:42] <vigilanty> hey...
[04:42] <vigilanty> i may need to disconnect...
[04:42] <illsorted> bytecoder: i get GTK errors when running from the console, and nothing when clicking the launcher
[04:42] <GotD0t> hmm... i cant right click on my desktop
[04:42] <vigilanty> i would like this laptop to config the network...
[04:43] <bytecoder> illsorted: what does it say?
[04:43] <calc> sls: perhaps because ubuntu is only gnome, doesn't load the kde libraries for anything
[04:43] <GotD0t> or left click on it for that matter
[04:43] <illsorted> bytecoder: can I paste it in a message to you?
[04:43] <vigilanty> should I delete the partition b4 startin?
[04:43] <calc> either are not too bad on memory usage, but using both would likely use quite a bit
[04:43] <bytecoder> illsorted: how long is it?
[04:43] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, you need to check your syslog to see if udev assigned device names to the drive
[04:43] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Glad we got past the problem.
[04:43] <vigilanty> should I delete the XP partition.
[04:43] <illsorted> bytecoder: ~15 lines
[04:44] <vigilanty> I'm verry gratefull.
[04:44] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, or if it (or hotplug, or whatever else) bummed out, in which case your error message may be useful for figuring out what's wrong
[04:44] <TheMuso> vigilanty: If you don't want XP any more, you can.
[04:44] <bytecoder> illsorted: join #flood and send it to me there
[04:44] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, don't delete it if you have important files there :)
[04:44] <vigilanty> will this install do it?
[04:44] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Not unless you tell it to.
[04:44] <vigilanty> ok.
[04:44] <vigilanty> well I gotta disconnect...
[04:44] <pixelmonkey> vigilanty, plus, you may be a little frustrated with linux support if your ACPI is broken...
[04:44] <TheMuso> vigilanty: Note that what I suggested is only a temporary work-around.
[04:44] <farruinn> but you won't have anywhere to install ubuntu unless you have free space
[04:45] <vigilanty> be back momentarily...
[04:45] <Kitoji> Is it possible to tell ubuntu, that my mouse uses 1600 dpi and not the usual 400 dpi?
[04:45] <vigilanty> i gotta let it see the network.
[04:45] <vigilanty> temporary is fine.
[04:45] <jdodson> hey all.
[04:45] <vigilanty> `bbl.
[04:45] <illsorted> bytecoder: pasted
[04:46] <Kitoji> k, obviously it isn't possible :(
[04:46] <TheMuso> Kitoji: It probably is possible, but none of us here know how to do it.
[04:46] <Kitoji> :)
[04:46] <bytecoder> illsorted: ok, can you run synaptic in gnome?
[04:46] <TheMuso> At least I don't.
[04:46] <illsorted> bytecoder: yes, runs fine in gnome
[04:46] <Kitoji> At the moment I only want to know weather it is or not, not how.
[04:46] <bytecoder> illsorted: odd
[04:47] <TheMuso> Kitoji: I suggest you read the XF86Config-4 man page as it might have something in there about it.
[04:47] <Kitoji> thx
[04:47] <smo> TheMuso: Okay, I've had a poke with several players.  ogg123 hangs using oss or alsa, and repeats the first few frames indefinately with esd.  gstreamer appears to do the same.  xmms works fine with either oss or alsa outputs, but still chokes on esd
[04:48] <bytecoder> illsorted: hmm
[04:48] <dhrasmus> pixelmonkey: syslog didn't say anything about USB nor SD* devices nor hotplug nor udev.. both hotplug and udev are installed though
[04:48] <bytecoder> illsorted: try running X without any desktop environment/window managers and see if it still doesn't work
[04:48] <smo> unfortunately the machine is intended for mythtv, so I can't just use xmms and ignore the problem
[04:49] <bytecoder> illsorted: to see if it's a problem with xfce or with gtk
[04:49] <illsorted> bytecoder: how do I go about that?
[04:49] <bytecoder> illsorted: you have to modify .xinitrc in your home directory and 'startx' manually
[04:50] <bytecoder> illsorted: first, you have to shut down gdm
[04:51] <bytecoder> illsorted: you should probably post your problem over at ubuntuforums.com
[04:51] <bytecoder> illsorted: I have to go now, hope you get your problem fixed
[04:51] <TheMuso> Or even on ubuntu-users
[04:51] <illsorted> bytecoder: will do, thanks
[04:52] <dhrasmus> there aren't any other possibilities for mass storage devices than /dev/sd* names are there?
[04:52] <wig> can anyone help with a lucent winmodem problem?
[04:52] <|QuaD|> hey, i am about to update my kernel (i need 686 not 386) i am using hoary, would this be the appropriate one? linux-image-2.6.9-1-686
[04:53] <Hrdwr_BoB> yes
[04:54] <|QuaD|> just apt-get?
[04:54] <Hrdwr_BoB> yep
[04:54] <GotD0t> hmm... i cant click on my desktop
[04:54] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, nope, not unless you tell udev to create symlinks for them
[04:54] <|QuaD|> :) sounds good
[04:54] <|QuaD|> now maybe all my ram will register :)
[04:55] <dhrasmus> pixelmonkey: that's probably the problem right now though, that there's nothing to make symlinks too, huh?
[04:55] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, yea, but I just wanted to see if udev was bumming out for some reason
[04:55] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, strange that it's not getting picked up, I assume you have tried unplugging/replugging a couple times?
[04:56] <pixelmonkey> honestly the Linux USB subsystem is probably the buggiest of all the subsystems
[04:56] <Nigelenki> haha
[04:57] <pepsi_> hrm
[04:57] <pixelmonkey> --> are you getting this sort of stuff in syslog?  kernel: usb 4-2: control timeout on ep0out  localhost kernel: usb 4-2: device not accepting address 2, error -110
[04:57] <pepsi_> that girl's got a tattoo on her back eh
[04:59] <_|Imanewbie|_> night folks \o>
[05:00] <speel> hey i need some help i have a broken dep and i get this error
[05:00] <speel> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[05:00] <speel> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:00] <speel>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libmp3lame0_3.96.1-0.1_i386.deb
[05:00] <speel> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:00] <speel> any ideas?
[05:03] <|QuaD-> hmm,updated kernel=broken nvidia driver
[05:03] <mroth> |QuaD-: that got me earlier today too, heh
[05:03] <|QuaD-> mroth: how did you fix?
[05:03] <mroth> i didnt
[05:04] <speel> damn man everything is buggin out even synaptic exites
[05:04] <mroth> i rebooted back into 2.6.8 :/
[05:04] <speel> exits*
[05:04] <dhrasmus> pixelmonkey: i haven't tried plugging/unplugging it.  but i haven't had to do that on the other linux systems it works on
[05:04] <dhrasmus> i'm poking around in /proc right now and seeing if there's anything interesting there
[05:04] <mroth> they havent built the nvidia-glx package for 2.6.9 yet i guess
[05:04] <wig> anyone familiar with lucent winmodems?
[05:04] <|QuaD-> mroth: yeah... is this a known hardware issue?
[05:05] <mroth> mroth: its just a 'no one has compiled it and made it into a package yet' issue i believe
[05:05] <alka_trash> I never like mine
[05:06] <|QuaD-> mroth: yea
[05:06] <speel> hey i have a weird problem .. synaptic crashes every time i run it and i uninstalled it and reinstalled it .. lol any ideas?
[05:06] <alka_trash> damn, my grammar is getting bad
[05:06] <lev> ironwolf: you there?
[05:06] <lev> hey jdub maybe you can help me with this question.
[05:07] <alka_trash> speel: try removing the config file, rm -rf .synaptic ( by doing this your going to loose all your setting though )
[05:07] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, try something, plug it in
[05:07] <pixelmonkey> dhrasmus, then as root do /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[05:07] <pixelmonkey> and tail -f your syslog
[05:07] <|QuaD-> brb
[05:08] <wig> what does "tail -f " mean?
[05:08] <farruinn> tail --help should tell you
[05:09] <wig> Not on linux.
[05:09] <farruinn> --help will usually tell you what a command does
[05:09] <wig> I can't get my modem working, which is why I asked about it :-P
[05:09] <farruinn> oh, sorry :-/
[05:09] <wig> lol, s'ok
[05:10] <speel> yea it worked thanks
[05:11] <speel> any idea how to add mp3 support for sound juicer?
[05:11] <joem> need the gstreamer lame plugin
[05:11] <speel> damn
[05:11] <speel> gstreamer0.8-lame right?:
[05:12] <dhrasmus> pixelmonkey: that didn't show a lot, other than that usbfs and hub could be loaded, and i've got uhci v. 2.2.  that's a sweet use of tail i wasn't aware of, btw
[05:12] <joem> speel, dunno, something like that I'm sure
[05:12] <Cloudchaser> heya..is anyone here a programmer that i could ask a question to?
[05:12] <speel> ok thanks
[05:12] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: shoot
[05:12] <joem> speel, first google hit: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[05:13] <bluefoxicy> XD
[05:13] <subterrific> joem: it amazes me the number of people who don't know how to use google ;)
[05:13] <Cloudchaser> k i'm not a programmer ;) but there are some things i want to automate for people who don't know linux that i want to introduce ubunto to
[05:13] <Cloudchaser> if that makes any sense ;)
[05:13] <blahrg> ok i am attempting to load phpmyadmin and whenever i try to load it i get cannot load mysql extension
[05:13] <|QuaD|> blah, me no like no new kernel
[05:13] <blahrg> any ideas
[05:13] <joem> if you didn't know it was the lame program it might have been harder to find
[05:14] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: like what
[05:14] <Cloudchaser> like installing java
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> I just got some guy to order 30 x8f6
[05:14] <Cloudchaser> there's a great how to for it
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> do you have to put in your phone number?
[05:14] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: there is also a repository for it
[05:14] <Cloudchaser> which is fine for people like me who have some linux experience
[05:14] <|QuaD|> blahrg: i don't know the problem
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> I didn't put mine in when i ordered
[05:14] <bluefoxicy> from shipit
[05:14] <Cloudchaser> right but after you install java there's a bunch of steps you have to do
[05:14] <Cloudchaser> here's an example
[05:14] <Cloudchaser> my sister in law is tired of getting virused
[05:15] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: really? i thought it was just apt-get install java
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> she had a lindows pc that she put windows on
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> subterrific, that installs it
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> it doesn't make it work
[05:15] <blahrg> i have php installed mysql installed, and i attempted to use phpmyadmin, (phpmysql) and when i load it it tells me cannot load mysql extension: please check php configureation
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#downloadguide
[05:15] <Cloudchaser> see # 18 and 19
[05:16] <nonmon> i cant get k3b to recognize that my burner does cdrs it does dvdrs fine
[05:16] <nonmon> does anyone know whats wrong
[05:16] <calc> Cloudchaser: ubuntu is cool, i just loaded it up on my brother and his gf's systems :)
[05:16] <Cloudchaser> now someone coming from windows has no clue of linux filesystem
[05:16] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: yeah, i know, you aren't listening to me
[05:16] <nonmon> is there a gnome based burning prog that matches k3b that i could get?
[05:16] <Cloudchaser> ?
[05:17] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: there is an apt repository for java, so all you have to do is add that repos to /etc/apt/sources.list and then apt-get install java
[05:17] <subterrific> it does all those steps for you
[05:17] <calc> java is too easy to get on a system imho, die java die (along with flash) ;)
[05:17] <blahrg> anyone have any ideas?
[05:17] <farruinn> calc, too easy?
[05:17] <calc> its like a plague
[05:17] <vigilanty> ermmm...
[05:17] <speel> is there a ubuntu changelog?
[05:18] <Sensebend> java is too easy to get on a system
[05:18] <Cloudchaser> subterrific, where is that information? i must have missed that
[05:18] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: its been on the mailing list a bunch and its in the wiki and forum, hold on
[05:19] <calc> you can setup linux fs to work pretty good without having to worry about permissions if you setup default acl's
[05:19] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: here is the last place i saw it: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[05:19] <calc> that is what i did on my brothers computer
[05:19] <Cloudchaser> ah..i don't have hoary i have warty
[05:19] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: look at the bottom line of the example sources.list file
[05:20] <calc> i added him to the "users" group, set his storage dir to setgid users and added a 770 default umask
[05:20] <calc> just for that set of dirs using acl
[05:20] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: it doesn't matter
[05:20] <Cloudchaser> i thought you shouldn't mix repositories
[05:20] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: that line is not a hoary repos, its a 3rd party repos for java only
[05:21] <vigilanty> dudes, i got a serious prob now...
[05:21] <subterrific> Cloudchaser: it just happens to be listed in that example
[05:21] <Cloudchaser> k thank you i'll make not of that for future reference
[05:22] <vigilanty> during this installation, my pavilion went to sleep i guess...
[05:23] <vigilanty> has n e 1 ever installed ubuntu on a hp pavilion ze4400?
[05:23] <mroth> wonder when debian is going to package python2.4 so we can steal it
[05:25] <TomT64> how do I list the packages I have installed?
[05:26] <mroth> dpkg -l
[05:26] <calc> you can use dpkg --get-selections if you want to install the same set elsewhere
[05:26] <calc> otherwise dpkg -l shows package names, versions, desc, etc
[05:29] <jdodson> i am getting the following error:
[05:30] <jdodson> cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:30] <jdodson> anyone know how to remedy this?
[05:30] <TomT64> what's the text editor for ubuntu (simple text editing)
[05:30] <jdub> gedit
[05:30] <TomT64> thx
[05:32] <trans_err> is there anyway to import the contents of my mac os x address book?
[05:35] <joem> trans_err, to what? evolution?
[05:37] <vigilant0> is there any way to resume a ubuntu installation?
[05:37] <trans_err> joem, nevermind i figured it out
[05:38] <trans_err> but is there any way to keep the address book on evolution and my os x one synced?
[05:38] <vigilanty> can ubuntu resume an installation?
[05:41] <bronson_> vigilanty: yes, if you've already rebooted once.
[05:42] <bronson_> (you know, boot into the base system and continue installing...)
[05:43] <vigilanty> how?
[05:46] <vigilanty> can't load into base system
[05:46] <vigilanty> so how do i resume it?
[05:47] <vigilanty> brb
[05:53] <GotD0t> MS seems to serve a good purpose (other than supplying me with my xbox) bring suits against spammers
[05:55] <Quest-Master> Meh
[05:55] <Quest-Master> I could care less about the XBOX
[05:55] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: i like it...
[05:55] <Quest-Master> I own a PS2 and GCN. :)
[05:55] <vigilanty> man I am so close to giving up with this stupid laptop...
[05:56] <Quest-Master> Don't give up :D
[05:56] <vigilanty> i dunno what to do...
[05:56] <GotD0t> vigilanty: dont... getting it working is a great payoff
[05:56] <Quest-Master> Ask at the forums
[05:56] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[05:56] <Quest-Master> I was in your exact position a few days ago
[05:56] <Quest-Master> Once you get it working..
[05:56] <Quest-Master> It's great. :D
[05:57] <Quest-Master> But yeah, ask at the forums
[05:57] <GotD0t> oh i cant tell you how many times i've almost given up
[05:57] <vigilanty> after all i've worked through so far, this stupid piece of crap keeps hanging on cupsys during install...
[05:57] <Quest-Master> Now, I know not to give up
[05:57] <Quest-Master> I'm out though, sleep time.
[05:57] <Quest-Master> See ya guys.
[05:57] <Quest-Master> Good luck vigilanty.. hope you can get your problems fixed.
[05:58] <vigilanty> doubt it.
[06:00] <vigilanty> please somebody help :/
[06:01] <GotD0t> vigilanty: what exactly is your problem... i knwo you cant install but what happens
[06:01] <vigilanty> it's hanging on a "remaining package" called cupsys
[06:02] <GotD0t> is it updating from the internet?
[06:02] <vigilanty> it got through it once, but the battery died.
[06:02] <vigilanty> no.
[06:02] <vigilanty> install cd.
[06:02] <vigilanty> i'm on a hp pavilion ze4400 laptop.
[06:02] <GotD0t> right... but sometimes install cd's pull updates from the internet before finishing the install
[06:02] <vigilanty> ok
[06:03] <GotD0t> cd from the mail?
[06:03] <GotD0t> or did you burn it
[06:03] <vigilanty> burn
[06:03] <GotD0t> did you check the md5 sum before you burned?
[06:03] <vigilanty> i used nero...
[06:04] <GotD0t> hehe, do you know what an md5sum even is?
[06:04] <vigilanty> no
[06:04] <GotD0t> its a type of hash thats used to check file integrity
[06:04] <vigilanty> o
[06:04] <vigilanty> ok
[06:05] <GotD0t> what speed did you burn it at
[06:05] <vigilanty> 4x
[06:05] <GotD0t> ok
[06:05] <GotD0t> do you still have the iso?
[06:05] <vigilanty> no
[06:05] <GotD0t> darn
[06:05] <vigilanty> it's on a comp that's being worked on
[06:05] <discharge> where can i found good documentation on getting sound to work?  there's a linux sound howto, but it seems out of date
[06:06] <GotD0t> discharge: ubuntu specifically?
[06:06] <discharge> yes
[06:06] <vigilanty> legacy audio dude.
[06:06] <discharge> it was working fine after the install, then a few reboots later and now i get errors about 'couldn't open audio'
[06:06] <discharge> and i'm not sure what changes i have made that would have caused that
[06:07] <GotD0t> discharge: i think there is a how-to on the site
[06:08] <discharge> yeah i could only find a multimedia howto
[06:08] <vigilanty> well... how do i fix my prob?
[06:08] <GotD0t> discharge: what type of sound card?
[06:09] <discharge> onboard, via chipset, ac97 i think
[06:09] <discharge> there's a bunch of snd_via82xx modules loaded too
[06:09] <GotD0t> vigilanty: i would redownload the iso and do an md5sum check (google on how to do this in windows) and if it matches the one listed on the site burn it at 4x
[06:09] <GotD0t> vigilanty: or you can keep trying
[06:10] <GotD0t> vigilanty: your current cd
[06:10] <GotD0t> discharge: sorry... i dunno, but from what i heard that chipset is quite finicky
[06:11] <vigilanty> why do u say i can keep retrying?
[06:11] <crimsun> discharge: join me in #alsa. I'll help.
[06:11] <GotD0t> vigilanty: well when i first installed i got a hang up a few times that didn't happen after a try or two
[06:12] <vigilanty> yeah
[06:13] <vigilanty> i had the same, but when it started to work, my battery was dying...
[06:13] <GotD0t> are you running of external power now?
[06:13] <vigilanty> would having a working internet connection plugged into it from start of install help?
[06:14] <GotD0t> i dont think so
[06:14] <GotD0t> cant hurt though ;-)
[06:14] <crimsun> unless your gateway is an unpatched windows xp machine
[06:14] <vigilanty> i think i'll download the live boot iso...
[06:15] <GotD0t> true crimsun
[06:15] <GotD0t> or even a patched xp machine ;-)
[06:15] <vigilanty> man, i wonder where i can get somethin to eat this late at night...
[06:15] <GotD0t> vigilanty: if you live in a college town im sure you can
[06:15] <vigilanty> patched xp machine?
[06:15] <GotD0t> vigilanty: nothing
[06:16] <rick_> sorry to bug you all but you got time for a question?
[06:16] <GotD0t> of course rick_
[06:16] <rick_> I just installed this Ubuntu, and am having a terrible time trying to install MPlayer
[06:17] <rick_> any suggestions?
[06:17] <rick_> just plain ol .deb packages
[06:17] <GotD0t> rick_: get it off the repos
[06:17] <rick_> repos?
[06:18] <GotD0t> rick_: repositories
[06:19] <rick_> I did not see it in there
[06:19] <GotD0t> rick_: its probably in universe
[06:19] <rick_> I will look again
[06:19] <rick_> thanks
[06:19] <GotD0t> rick_: do you know how to enable universe?
[06:19] <rick_> I am not sure, but hopefully I can get it
[06:19] <bur[n] er> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:20] <rick_> yes
[06:20] <rick_> what is the url to univers
[06:20] <rick_> universe
[06:21] <GotD0t> rick_: look at the file... you should see hwere it says "uncomment the two lines to add software from the universe and multiverse repositories"
[06:21] <GotD0t> rick_: just uncoment them and you'll be golden
[06:23] <rick_> it says it is read only
[06:23] <GotD0t> rick_: you have to edit it as sudo
[06:24] <GotD0t> so do sudo APP /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:24] <GotD0t> app is obviously whatever you use to edit text files
[06:25] <rick_> just a min
[06:27] <osiris_22> ok
[06:27] <osiris_22> i need some help guys
[06:27] <osiris_22> i having problems getting ubuntu
[07:05] <TheMuso> JDahl: Python 2.4 won't make it into Warty. it will very likely make it into Hoary though.
[07:05] <JDahl> ouch...
[07:05] <crimsun> well, it just entered Sid what, two days ago?
[07:05] <crimsun> maybe yesterday?
[07:06] <TheMuso> The only updates that Warty receives are security fixes or data loss bugfixes.
[07:06] <crimsun> yep, just yesterday
[07:07] <crimsun> [2004-12-02]  Accepted python2.4 2.4-1 (i386 source all)
[07:07] <JDahl> TheMuso, I didnt know that.. I thought it was more like sarge
[07:10] <TheMuso> JDahl: Hoary is more like unstable at the moment, but then later on it becomes more like Sarge.
[07:10] <TheMuso> Releases are every six months.
[07:12] <ironwolf> JDahl: python 2.4 is already in hoary.
[07:14] <crimsun> indeed it is.
[07:14] <crimsun> 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[07:16] <JDahl> maybe I should try hoary then... If I have to wait until next release (April?) for an update, I will end up having compiled everything from source instead
[07:17] <ironwolf> JDahl: standard warning.  hoary is a development release.  somedays are better than others. :)
[07:17] <vigilanty> i'm back.
[07:17] <ironwolf> JDahl: overall, I've had few problems though.
[07:18] <ironwolf> JDahl: change warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ...
[07:18] <JDahl> ironwolf, yeah.. I just to quite happy with Debian/unstable on my home machine... how do think Hoary stacks up against Unstable?
[07:18] <JDahl> s/just/used/
[07:39] <ironwolf> Jdahl: so it's public.  I choose hoary over unstable. :)
[07:43] <lightfoot> Hello Im thinking of switching to ubuntu how good is hardware detection at install?
[07:45] <rick_> one last question Got d0t
[07:46] <rick_> says mplayer is not installable
[07:46] <lightfoot> Hello Are you installing ubuntu?
[07:47] <rick_> yea
[07:47] <rick_> thanks for the reply
[07:47] <lightfoot> I'm thinking of switching to a debian based distro How good was hardware detection at install?
[07:48] <rick_> excellent
[07:48] <rick_> no probs on the install
[07:48] <ironwolf> lightfoot: insanely good.
[07:48] <ironwolf> rick_: mplayer is in multiverse
[07:49] <lightfoot> Cool I tired of crappy Mandrake.
[07:49] <rick_> arrrggghhh :) figures, well see ya later
[07:49] <lightfoot> rpm based distros.
[07:49] <rick_> oh hey, it is better than mandrake
[07:49] <ironwolf> rick_: do you have multiverse in your sources.list ?
[07:49] <rick_> not yet
[07:50] <rick_> just universe
[07:50] <ironwolf> rick_: add universe and multiverse.... then apt-get install mplayer :)
[07:50] <ironwolf> rick_: and choose your arch.
[07:50] <ironwolf> :)
[07:50] <rick_> arch?
[07:50] <ironwolf> i386, i586, k7, etc
[07:51] <lightfoot> I'm currently Downloading and ISO making some backups of Important files that I have gathered over time and switching. Ubuntu looks like a very up to date distro.
[07:51] <rick_> oh, yea
[07:52] <rick_> have fun lightfoot
[07:53] <jiyuu0> look at this... kandang mybsd
[07:53] <jiyuu0> http://staff.mybsd.org.my/
[07:54] <lightfoot> How stable is Ubuntu it has the latest version of Gnome and some other upto date packages.
[07:54] <ironwolf> lightfoot: don't forget, you can testdrive it with the LiveCD
[07:54] <ironwolf> lightfoot, Warty is VERY stable.
[07:54] <jiyuu0> but features in hoary seems good
[07:54] <lightfoot> Is Gnome 2.9 in the stable release
[07:56] <Agrajag> lightfoot: of course not
[07:56] <Agrajag> Gnome 2.9 is an unstable Gnome version
[07:57] <deFrysk> unstable=development
[07:57] <lightfoot> Is anyone here having major issues with Gnome 2.9?
[07:58] <deFrysk> lightfoot, not at the moment
[07:58] <roRy> warty is very stable, only hung on me twice so far
[07:58] <deFrysk> maybe at any given time/update
[07:59] <ironwolf> warty = 2.8
[07:59] <ironwolf> hoary = 2.10 I think
[08:00] <pepsi_> 2.9.2
[08:00] <|QuaD|> how do all of you control xmms? i tried installing the gxmms plugin, its not allowing me to add the applet
[08:00] <deFrysk> heading for 2.10
[08:01] <Qo-noS> 2.10 not due for at least another 3 months I think
[08:03] <Q-FUNK> which gstreamer plug-in is needed to play mp3 files in rhythmbox?
[08:05] <|QuaD|> Q-FUNK: i just use xmms
[08:05] <|QuaD|> itss better
[08:08] <deFrysk> Q-FUNK, mad plugin
[08:08] <deFrysk> gstreamer-mad
[08:10] <Q-FUNK> deFrysk: thanks
[08:10] <deFrysk> yw
[08:11] <deFrysk> |QuaD|, probs controlling xmms ? try rhythmbox ;p
[08:11] <Q-FUNK> it doesn't seem to be installed by default.
[09:16] <TomT64> how do you add a ttf font to the list of available fonts for Open Office
[09:17] <crimsun> fonts:///
[09:17] <crimsun> drag the font into the folder
[09:17] <crimsun> restart OOo
[09:18] <TomT64> cool
[09:19] <AbahKo> u means create folder fonts in openoffice dir?
[09:19] <mjr> hmh, that works for fontconfig, but doesn't OOo use its own system? Or is that fixed nowadays?
[09:19] <crimsun> OOo uses ttf fonts
[09:19] <crimsun> fontconfig handles 'em
[09:20] <mjr> crimsun, both statements are true as such but still don't mean that OOo necessarily uses fontconfig :)
[09:20] <crimsun> AbahKo: no, open nautilus, Open Location, fonts:///
[09:20] <TomT64> I drag, I copy/paste, etc, I don't see them listed
[09:20] <AbahKo> crim: oooo.ok..
[09:21] <TomT64> oh wait I need to do this as root huh
[09:21] <mjr> TomT64, no; that will add the fonts to a user-spesific fontconfig-observed directory, but as I suspected, it might not work for OOo
[09:22] <TomT64> it's not adding them at all
[09:22] <crimsun> you're right, mjr, soffice.bin doesn't link against libfontconfig* at all
[09:22] <osiris_22> god im so depressed tonight
[09:23] <Nexinarus> why is that osiris,
[09:23] <TomT64> so what should I do
[09:23] <mjr> sorry, I don't know how OOo does things
[09:23] <mjr> I just know how it doesn't :P
[09:23] <crimsun> TomT64: try popping into #debian-oo
[09:23] <osiris_22> my best friend dude.. made a fake call to the police saying i was trying to kill my self.. and well the cops busted in my house and found some illegal items.. along with my intoxicated self.. and now i gotta do 90 days in jail...
[09:23] <TomT64> OpenOffice.org uses XFonts as well as fonts that are rendered through FreeType as explained below.
[09:23] <crimsun> TomT64: ask there, if someone's awake
[09:23] <TomT64> http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/fontguide.html
[09:24] <Nexinarus> that does suck,
[09:24] <plasmo> osiris_22: >:)
[09:25] <osiris_22> like we were fighting and i refused to fight so i decided to drink a few bottles of robo max to forget ya know and he goes and calles the cops on me.
[09:25] <plasmo> that blows lol
[09:26] <osiris_22> i gotta report january 2nd
[09:26] <osiris_22> for 90 days
[09:26] <osiris_22> 90 long days
[09:26] <Nexinarus> that is a long time,
[09:26] <Nexinarus> for that heh,
[09:26] <plasmo> well at least you get to enjoy chirstmas and new years lol
[09:26] <Nexinarus> and part of march
[09:26] <osiris_22> i was charged for 3 grams of marijuana and a pack of papers and umm drug abuse for the robo max
[09:27] <Nexinarus> calling cops, that is not cool heh
[09:27] <osiris_22> 30 days for each count
[09:27] <osiris_22> i banned him from the irc network im an admin of
[09:28] <Nexinarus> any graphical ftp program for Ubuntu?
[09:28] <Nexinarus> i could use command line, but hmm
[09:29] <TomT64> gftp
[09:29] <mjr> well, nautilus can pretty much do ftp
[09:29] <mjr> and there's what TomT64 said
[09:29] <cenerentola> hi there
[09:29] <plasmo> hello
[09:31] <cenerentola> does someone know why file roller gives this error: Enter password (will not be echoed) for 01-eminem-curtains_up_(encore_version)-rns.mp3:
[09:32] <giuSerpe> anyone who give me a correct line for sources.list to install the last released Wine?
[09:32] <plasmo> cenerentola: maybe the archieve file is password protected
[09:33] <cenerentola> plasmo: yes it is... but how can i enter it if it doesnt echo the query
[09:33] <plasmo> no idea. havent came across a passworded achieve yet :/
[09:34] <cenerentola> ok ;( .. thx
[09:34] <plasmo> ill look it up for ya
[09:34] <Seveas> giuSerpe:
[09:34] <Seveas> add universe to your sources.list
[09:35] <giuSerpe> Seveas: ok
[09:36] <anders_> Is it ok to have sshd listening on port 80 when apache also is?
[09:36] <crimsun> (no)
[09:36] <b_e_n_z> anders_, no
[09:39] <anders_> how would you connect to your home server from a network that only has port 80 and 443 open for outgoing?
[09:40] <Seveas> anders_: if you want sshd to listen on 80, stop apache or make it listen to another port
[09:41] <mjr> so I take it you need 443 for something else too
[09:41] <mjr> anyway, some sort of tunneling solution might work
[09:41] <Seveas> 443 is https
[09:41] <Seveas> (iirc)
[09:42] <AbahKo> how to change ssd port from 22 to 80?
[09:42] <mjr> _Or_ you could probably use iptables to redirect port 80 connections _from your work address_ to sshd on another port. I'm not sure about this though, but it might be possible.
[09:42] <anders_> mjr: Well I could do without https I guess
[09:42] <AbahKo> sshd
[09:42] <Seveas> I once had that problem, made my router forward incoming requests to port 80 from a certain ip-address at my work to sshd (@port 22), from other ip adresses to apache :)
[09:42] <mjr> semi-echo :)
[09:42] <oling>  /etc/ssh
[09:43] <anders_> Seveas: thats a smart solution :)
[09:43] <mjr> anyway, httptunnel might work: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html
[09:43] <mjr> it works via a proxy, so you might set up apache to optionally act as a proxy to httptunnel
[09:43] <oling> or use a vpn
[09:43] <Seveas> AbahKo: man sshd
[09:44] <oling> do anyone know how to build a custom initrd.img with mkintrd-cd?
[09:45] <AbahKo> if i changed it to port 80... how about my web server?.. need to use others port?.. what happen if someone try to do a port scanner(nmap).. doest it show my port 80 is using sshd?..
[09:45] <oling> oli1:/home2/root# mkinitrd-cd /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/ initrd-usb.img-2.6.8-1-686 full 2.6.8
[09:45] <oling> Creating file structure ... done
[09:45] <oling> Creating device files ... done
[09:45] <oling> Copying modules ...
[09:45] <oling> ls: /tmp/tmp-initrd-files-3063/modules/*: No such file or directory
[09:45] <oling> /usr/sbin/mkinitrd-cd: line 182: [: -gt: unary operator expected
[09:45] <oling> gzip: /tmp/tmp-initrd-files-3063/modules/*: No such file or directory
[09:45] <Seveas> yes, your http server needs to listen to another port
[09:45] <oling> oli1:/home2/root#
[09:45] <oling> AbahKo: nmap could figure out that sshd is running on 80
[09:46] <AbahKo> mkinitrd -o your-initrd-file your-kernel-version
[09:46] <Seveas> and no, nmap will not how that sshd is listening, just that that port is open
[09:46] <oling> mkinitrd-cd
[09:46] <oling> CD
[09:46] <AbahKo> ok thank
[09:46] <Seveas> oling: only if you give some nast command-line options :)
[09:46] <oling> Seveas: nmap can figure out which daemon is running
[09:46] <TomT64> OOO BUNT 2
[09:47] <oling> Seveas: ok :-)
[09:47] <Nexinarus> heh
[09:47] <Nexinarus> hey where is a JPG of that girl on the cd cover, i want it,
[09:47] <roRy> wont work
[09:47] <Nexinarus> or png whatever,
[09:48] <Nexinarus> i want the full pic of that cleavage girl on the ubuntu cd cover. its such a funny pic :p
[09:48] <roRy> lol
[09:49] <Nexinarus> im sure shes a porn star, shes gotta be
[09:49] <TomT64> ubuntu found my windows xp computer on my windows network, but not my win98 computer.  How do I fix that
[09:49] <roRy> install ubuntu on ur win98 computer
[09:49] <TomT64> heh
[09:49] <Treenaks> or reboot the '98 pc
[09:50] <TomT64> It's been booted since I installed ubuntu
[09:52] <AbahKo> how to list what packages is installed in my system?
[09:52] <AbahKo> apt-get?
[09:52] <Seveas> synaptic
[09:52] <AbahKo> rpm -qa show nothing..
[09:52] <TomT64> someone told me this one earlier...
[09:52] <b_e_n_z> rpm???
[09:52] <Treenaks> AbahKo: dpkg -l
[09:52] <b_e_n_z> puahahaha
[09:53] <TomT64> yeah that's it
[09:53] <TomT64> dpkg -l
[09:53] <Nexinarus> Synaptic is the gui interface for packages. quite nice
[09:53] <Treenaks> AbahKo: ubuntu is debian-based, so it uses the Debian PacKaGe manager :)
[09:53] <AbahKo> ok.
[09:54] <AbahKo> Treenaks: thanks.. so i can use same source.list file from debian system?
[09:54] <Treenaks> AbahKo: you could, but that would break your ubuntu installation horribly :)
[09:54] <Treenaks> AbahKo: just stick with the ubuntu one
[09:55] <Nexinarus> heh Treenaks im finally on Ubuntu :)
[09:56] <Treenaks> Nexinarus: cool, does everything work as expected?
[09:56] <Nexinarus> It works alot better than the live cd. I havnt tested my modem yet, and havnt got any drivers for my cellphone yet either
[09:58] <AbahKo> itis ubuntu using xorg?
[10:00] <Nexinarus> xorg?
[10:00] <AbahKo> xorg or xfree86..
[10:00] <deFrysk> AbahKo, hoary does use xorg
[10:00] <Nexinarus> i dont know, just installed default
[10:00] <deFrysk> warty is still using xfree86
[10:01] <deFrysk> warty=stable
[10:01] <Nexinarus> warty default, so i guess xfree86
[10:01] <AbahKo> it's xfree86..
[10:01] <AbahKo> i think ubuntu follow debian.. not supporting  xorg.
[10:01] <mjr> not really
[10:02] <Nexinarus> xfree86 seems fine to me. im quite impressed nevertheless
[10:02] <mjr> Ubuntu does tend to jump ahead of Debian in some things, especially desktop-related
[10:02] <mjr> (hence the x.org in Hoary)
[10:02] <AbahKo> yupp..
[10:03] <Nexinarus> never heard of xorg, gonna read more
[10:03] <oling> running xorg, upgrade went flawlessly
[10:04] <Nexinarus> all i want to do now is figure out how im going to get apache+mysql+php installed. Too lazy to download stuff and try install them.
[10:04] <mjr> Nexinarus, good place to start is http://x.org/ by the way ;)
[10:05] <oling> apt-get install apache2 mysql php
[10:05] <oling> something like this
[10:05] <Nexinarus> na google.com before x.org ;P
[10:05] <mjr> Nexinarus, a valid choice :)
[10:05] <oling> Nexinarius: or start synaptic and select packages
[10:07] <AbahKo> bye.. got to go..
[10:07] <AbahKo> see ya
[10:07] <Nexinarus> im also wondering why i can get so many open source packages on windows with a higher version than on ubuntu, like firefox and vlc.
[10:07] <glar00k> good morning #ubuntu
[10:07] <Nexinarus> well not many, a few :p
[10:09] <oling> Nexinarius: use unstable ubuntu or windows
[10:09] <euxneks> windows packages probably have more problems .. =)
[10:09] <oling> euxneks: they don't
[10:11] <Nexinarus> like firefox is set back to 0.9.3
[10:11] <Nexinarus> and vlc is set back 2 versions,
[10:11] <tolstoy> in hoary, you can no longer right-click on an archive and hit "extract". you have to open it, or create a script.  Is this "intentional"?
[10:12] <oling> Nexinarius: Firfox 1.0 is in unstable
[10:12] <Nexinarus> ah that makes sense
[10:12] <Nexinarus> actually that doesnt,
[10:12] <Nexinarus> 1.0pr should have been unstable. 1.0 should be bug pressed i thought
[10:12] <oling> Nexinarius: firefox 1.0 and vlc 8.0 are only a few weeks old
[10:13] <Moof> Nexinarus: keep in mind that once ubuntu goes stable, it doesn't change. And it froze a number of moths ago now
[10:13] <Elwood> hi all
[10:13] <ajmitch_> Nexinarus: 'unstable' refers to changing packages, rather than the software being unstable
[10:13] <Moof> the next release is due in march or april, IIRC
[10:13] <Moof> and it'll be in there
[10:13] <Elwood> is kde included in hoary or i need to modify sources.list? i get erroneous dependencise
[10:13] <calc> april
[10:13] <oling> Nexinarius: firefox is NOT unstable. Firefox 1.0 is IN unstabel
[10:13] <Nexinarus> i thought with synaptic i could keep updating every week?
[10:14] <oling> you can
[10:14] <calc> Elwood: its in universe
[10:14] <Moof> Nexinarus: you can, if you change your sources to unstable
[10:14] <ajmitch_> calc: are you still responsible for kde? :)
[10:14] <Elwood> so i get errors just because is instable?
[10:14] <Moof> Nexinarus: but that leaves you wide open to huge changes like changing to an unstable version of X
[10:14] <calc> ajmitch_: for debian yes
[10:15] <calc> not sure who does it for ubuntu
[10:15] <ajmitch_> are the ubuntu kde packages changed from those in debian?
[10:15] <calc> i don't know
[10:15] <calc> probably at least minor changes
[10:15] <Nexinarus> vlc i know the "stable" version is less stable than the "unstable" version then,
[10:16] <Nexinarus> thanks for that Moof
[10:16] <Riddell> ajmitch_: not that I know of
[10:16] <tolstoy> well, the extract function was damn handy.  I'm very sad to see it go.
[10:16] <ajmitch_> tolstoy: file a bug report
[10:17] <tolstoy> ajmitch_, i'm looking the gnome's bugzilla, to see if it was a design choice.
[10:18] <ajmitch_> sounds like a regression
[10:18] <glar00k> this functionality was dropped some time before and people didn't like it. don't think that it's intentional ...
[10:19] <tolstoy> glar00k, the "extract" thing?
[10:19] <glar00k> tolstoy: yes
[10:20] <tolstoy> over on #nautilus on gimpnet, they say it was a bonobo component and therefore dropped, and that file-roller now needs to implement a plugin.
[10:21] <ajmitch_> I love how responsibility is passed off like that :)
[10:21] <glar00k> I supposed that ...
[10:21] <Treenaks> that sounds logical (reading planet.gnome.org)
[10:21] <tolstoy> "it used an interface which has been removed (bonobo)"
[10:22] <tolstoy> Treenaks, where do you see that?
[10:22] <calc> hmm so why is it still in debian's version?
[10:22] <Treenaks> tolstoy: well, not that exactly
[10:22] <Treenaks> tolstoy: but there are some pieces about nautilus
[10:22] <tolstoy> oh, you mean phasing out bonobo?
[10:22] <ajmitch_> calc: hoary has gnome 2.9, iirc
[10:22] <tolstoy> yes, nautilus 2.9.1, at the moment.
[10:22] <calc> oh ok i thought he meant the 2.8 in ubuntu was missing that part
[10:22] <glar00k> alex has mentioned that on the nautilus list too
[10:23] <calc> 2.10 isn't due out until Mar 9, so it has plenty of time to be fixed
[10:24] <tolstoy> that's what I'm hoping. I can put up with the inconvenience, but would like to register a request if they're not doing it because no one seems to care.
[10:24] <Treenaks> "no bonobo" made it quite a bit faster, too
[10:24] <calc> 2.9.2 was apparently released yesterday, but i don't see it for download yet
[10:25] <glar00k> Treenaks: really? here it is fast as before ...
[10:25] <Treenaks> glar00k: I have a 600MHz machine, I tend to notice speedups :)
[10:25] <calc> perhaps the schedule slipped a bit
[10:25] <tolstoy> i'm all for architectural refactoring: but I love that feature! ;)
[10:25] <glar00k> Treenaks: ok :)
[10:26] <tolstoy> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160221
[10:29] <tolstoy> Ah. Looks like there's a start in file-roller to implement a plugin.  Phew!
[10:55] <Adrenal> how do i return my sound values to default?
[10:55] <Adrenal> anyone?
[10:58] <Adrenal> anyone?
[10:59] <crimsun> what do you mean by 'default'?
[10:59] <agenteo> The portmap is just listening on the locahost and not for the host on the network... I've heard something about /etc/default/portmap someone knows more about this? I've got this problem after an apt-get upgrade (using the universe and restricted repository)
[11:00] <Adrenal> the default loaded volume settings
[11:00] <Adrenal> like, default bass etc
[11:00] <Adrenal> i installed kde(i was weak, but i learnt my lesson)
[11:00] <Adrenal> since then
[11:00] <Treenaks> agenteo: if you want to use NFS you have to edit /etc/default/portmap to make portmap listen on all interfaces
[11:00] <Adrenal> volume has been distorted
[11:01] <crimsun> Adrenal: rm /var/lib/alsa/asound.state
[11:01] <crimsun> Adrenal: make sure all sound apps are stopped.
[11:01] <Adrenal> ta
[11:02] <Adrenal> that didn't do it
[11:02] <Adrenal> i ment in gnome volume control
[11:05] <agenteo> Treenaks: thank you, it was it :) but why it wasn't working this way before the update?
[11:05] <agenteo> Treenaks: *why it was working before the upgrade
[11:05] <crimsun> agenteo: read the Changelog
[11:06] <Treenaks> agenteo: you fixed it before, but did an override?
[11:06] <crimsun> agenteo: /usr/share/doc/portmap/changelog.Debian.gz
[11:06] <stvn> hi, how do I add a samba printer with username and workgroup in ubuntu, since most tutorials use the webinterface, but it's disabled
[11:07] <crimsun> Adrenal: are the gnome mixer levels not default?
[11:07] <Adrenal> no
[11:07] <olimar> Hi all I installed the glx drivers fo my nvidia card but how can I test now if they work ?
[11:07] <olimar> any idea?
[11:08] <Elwood> olimar, glxgears
[11:08] <crimsun> olimar: try running a 3d application
[11:08] <Elwood> glzinfo
[11:08] <Adrenal> how?
[11:08] <crimsun> (glxgears is a horrible test)
[11:08] <Amaranth> glxgears is a fine test if you want to compare cards quickly
[11:08] <Amaranth> but not if you don't have anything to compare the output to
[11:08] <olimar> thanx dudes!
[11:09] <mjr> glxgears is a horrible performance indicator, but it _can_ be used to test if 3d acceleration works at all
[11:09] <olimar> well are there any benchs?
[11:09] <Elwood> tuxracer :)
[11:09] <olimar> I get with glxgears some fpss but I dunno agaisnt what to bench it
[11:10] <olimar> Ah tuxracer is also a good idea
[11:10] <mjr> tuxracer is a good one too :)
[11:10] <olimar> true
[11:10] <Amaranth> Xorg got me 100FPS more in glxgears (hehe) but mesa and my ati driver (open source, comes with Xorg) don't get along.
[11:10] <crimsun> glxinfo is better indicator for a 'test'
[11:10] <olimar> well I get some 98fps
[11:10] <olimar> but it seems slow...
[11:10] <crimsun> we go over and over and over this in #nvidia
[11:10] <mjr> 98fps on glxgears is a pretty good indicator of software rendering
[11:11] <Amaranth> makes playing bzflag a PITA
[11:11] <daniels> Amaranth: (glxgears is not a benchmark)
[11:11] <Amaranth> i can't read anything and people and bullets disappear from the radar :P
[11:11] <Amaranth> daniels: I didn't say it was.
[11:11] <olimar> well anyway I am downloading tucracer
[11:12] <daniels> Amaranth: glxgears will not compare cards
[11:12] <olimar> let me see... I mean I have a geforce this thing has to work ;)
[11:12] <daniels> Amaranth: use any current game as a realistic test -- something you care about
[11:12] <daniels> you don't care about how fast glxgears whizzes past, and it doesn't make use of any advanced features at all
[11:12] <daniels> try slamming down huge textures with multiple light sources
[11:12] <daniels> preferably with complex shaders
[11:12] <Amaranth> my card would burst into flames
[11:12] <Amaranth> and i don't even have shaders :P
[11:12] <daniels> there's a good test of a modern card
[11:14] <olimar> no it is very slow
[11:14] <olimar> maybe try #nvidia?
[11:16] <titbread> hey, I have ubuntu running but I am unsure on how to change the desktop to kde. Can anyone tell me?
[11:18] <Amaranth> I believe there is a HOWTO for that in the Wiki, let me check.
[11:19] <Amaranth> Nope, no idea.
[11:19] <cornflake> titbread: just install the kde-base from apt-get
[11:19] <Amaranth> I would hope apt-get install kde would do it
[11:19] <titbread> what is apt-get?
[11:20] <titbread> sorry :$
[11:20] <Amaranth> Ok, open synaptic
[11:20] <titbread> you all learnt somewhere
[11:20] <titbread> synaptic?
[11:20] <Treenaks> titbread: type "man apt-get" in a terminal
[11:20] <titbread> ok
[11:20] <Treenaks> titbread: synaptic is the package manager, look in the computer menu
[11:20] <titbread> ohh I see, thank you
[11:21] <jakk> why people see me offline in messenger though i'm not? i use gaim, others use msn...
[11:21] <titbread> Treenaks, thanks alot
[11:21] <Amaranth> titbread: Ok, are you in a terminal?
[11:21] <Amaranth> It's much easier to do it there.
[11:22] <titbread> yes i am in terminal
[11:22] <titbread> reading manual
[11:23] <Amaranth> Most of that stuff you'll never use. :P
[11:23] <Amaranth> The main ones are apt-get install, apt-get remove, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:23] <Amaranth> Actually, thats a lot of it. :P
[11:24] <titbread> K?
[11:24] <Amaranth> Done reading?
[11:24] <titbread> I'm trying to log in as superuser
[11:24] <titbread> su in terminal
[11:24] <Amaranth> err, no
[11:24] <titbread> and my password isn't working :S
[11:24] <Amaranth> sudo, not su
[11:24] <titbread> oh
[11:24] <titbread> thanks
[11:24] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get install kde
[11:25] <titbread> ah
[11:25] <Amaranth> if you really need a root terminal you can run sudo bash, i guess
[11:25] <titbread> package kde is not availible
[11:25] <titbread> ah
[11:25] <Amaranth> ok, kde-base then
[11:25] <titbread> ryt
[11:25] <titbread> sorry - right
[11:26] <jakk> anybody have had such problem of being seen as offline in messenger when online..?
[11:26] <pepsi__> sudo -s
[11:26] <Amaranth> I figured if they had a gnome package they would have a kde one. :P
[11:26] <titbread> couldnt find package kde base
[11:26] <titbread> they don't
[11:26] <Amaranth> pepsi_: neat
[11:27] <Amaranth> maybe i should start reading more and poking at things less :P
[11:27] <topyli> titbread: kdebase
[11:27] <pisuke> hi. E17 packages for ubuntu, anyone?
[11:27] <titbread> topyli, ty
[11:27] <Amaranth> pisuke: That just hit CVS a couple days ago. :P
[11:27] <titbread> kdebase has no installation candidate
[11:27] <Amaranth> If Debian unstable gets packages for it then Ubuntu hoary should.
[11:28] <pisuke> Amaranth, yep. there's a repository for sid.
[11:28] <pepsi__> hrm
[11:28] <Amaranth> No, I mean official debian packages.
[11:28] <pisuke> but it's not working with warthy
[11:28] <topyli> titbread: i guess you don't have universe enabled
[11:28] <titbread> how can i get kde running?
[11:28] <titbread> how do I enable universe?
[11:28] <pepsi__> ubuntu is all about describing a bad date
[11:28] <pepsi__> warty, hoary, grumpy
[11:28] <titbread> i've got warty distro
[11:29] <topyli> titbread: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line that says universe
[11:29] <titbread> thanks
[11:29] <Amaranth> If you can't figure it out from there http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages should help.
[11:30] <titbread> I can't uncomment them...
[11:30] <titbread> won't let me modify the document
[11:30] <pepsi__> sudo
[11:30] <Riddell> titbread: you can also use synaptic which is a graphical version of apt-get
[11:30] <Amaranth> pisuke: If E17 makes it into the official Debian unstable repositories then it should end up in universe for hoary.
[11:30] <pepsi__> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:30] <titbread> thank you
[11:31] <Amaranth> pisuke: But I wouldn't expect it to run on warty unless you compile it from source.
[11:31] <topyli> titbread: then you'll have to apt-get update so that apt knows what you did
[11:32] <titbread> how do i save and exit once I have made the modifications?
[11:32] <topyli> titbread: yes
[11:32] <topyli> then apt-get update
[11:32] <titbread> topyli, how do I do that?
[11:32] <Amaranth> Ctrl-O
[11:32] <titbread> topyli, I have made the modifications, I now want to save and exit
[11:32] <titbread> thanks!
[11:32] <Amaranth> then Ctrl-X
[11:32] <titbread> thank you!!
[11:33] <Amaranth> ok, now apt-get update ;)
[11:33] <Amaranth> sudo apt-get update, that is
[11:33] <titbread> sudo apt-get update?
[11:33] <titbread> thanks
[11:33] <topyli> titbread: oh sorry, you said "how do i save", not just "do i save" :)
[11:33] <titbread> :)
[11:33] <titbread> no worries!
[11:34] <titbread> umm, It returned a load of errors
[11:34] <titbread> oh its because this box isn't on the internet
[11:34] <titbread> sorry I didn't realise it needed to be....
[11:34] <titbread> I need another network cable to link it up to my network
[11:34] <titbread> how do I go about doing this?
[11:35] <Amaranth> hook it up to your router and it should be good to go on its own
[11:35] <titbread> right, great
[11:35] <titbread> *loads ebuyer and purchases a cable*
[11:35] <topyli> titbread: apt-get install cable :)
[11:35] <Amaranth> ha
[11:35] <titbread> lol
[11:36] <Amaranth> you could pull the plug on the box you're typing on and run off the ubuntu machine :)
[11:36] <Amaranth> should just be a matter of running sudo ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 from a terminal or rebooting
[11:44] <CardinalSin> Just want to say, I'm running SuSE 9.2 Pro and Ubuntu with all the Hoary stuff installed and Ubuntu rocks. Seems faster and slicker. SuSE is becoming my dev server and Ubuntu my desktop.
[11:54] <egli> I was trying to convert my wifes RH9.0 to ubuntu but the fact the OO.o crahed on some obscure word file made her a little suspicious
[11:55] <egli> the old OO.o in RH9.0 opened this weird word file without any problems
[11:55] <hbos> same oo.o version?
[11:55] <egli> no rh9.0 has OO.o 1.0 and ubuntu has 1.1
[11:55] <bob2> egli: can you file a bug with the document?
[11:56] <egli> where? @ debian or @ oo.o
[11:56] <egli> or @ubuntu?
[11:57] <bob2> the ubuntu bugzilla
[11:57] <egli> bob2: ok I will tonight, when I have access to the word file
[11:57] <bob2> egli: awesome, thanks
[12:04] <pisuke> egli, in ubuntu I have version 1.2 of OO.o
[12:04] <pisuke> not 1.1
[12:05] <jdub> you have 1.1.2
[12:05] <jdub> or 1.1.3 if you're on hoary
[12:05] <cenerentola> hi there
[12:05] <Treenaks> btw, what's wrong with the fonts on 1.1.3?
[12:05] <pisuke> yep. sorry
[12:05] <Treenaks> they look all big and stuff
[12:05] <Treenaks> (in ooo)
[12:06] <oberke> could someone tell me if ara works under ubuntu ?  it's a tool for searching the debian package database.  http://ara.alioth.debian.org/ (i'm the developer)
[12:07] <Treenaks> apt-cache search ?
[12:07] <Treenaks> oberke: if it's in unstable, it should work in ubuntu
[12:10] <cenerentola> can someone plz help me setting up a grub splash screen?
[12:11] <Miko_Sham> hi guys
[12:11] <Miko_Sham> im having problem installing ubuntu
[12:12] <Miko_Sham> after booting from CD Installer i386
[12:12] <Treenaks> Miko_Sham: what's the error message?
[12:12] <Miko_Sham> i press enter to start and it brings me to language chooser and then !
[12:12] <Miko_Sham> the keyboard doesn't response
[12:13] <oberke> Treenaks: not yet but it will be soon
[12:13] <Miko_Sham> it respond on the last Enter
[12:13] <Miko_Sham> any1 know what can i do to make things better ?
[12:14] <Miko_Sham> ?
[12:14] <oberke> Treenaks: are the files under /var/lib/dpkg/ and /var/lib/apt/lists the same under ubuntu ?
[12:15] <Treenaks> oberke: yes, ubuntu is debian.
[12:15] <Miko_Sham> ive already checked the FAQ and didn't find it
[12:15] <oberke> Treenaks: ok nice then :) meanwhile you can try the http interface at http://congruence.net1.nerim.net/search (under development).  but the cli and gui ara stable, you can get the .deb if you like
[12:20] <Miko_Sham> any1 can help me ?
[12:21] <MaDsKiLLz> eww
[12:21] <MaDsKiLLz> ubuntu pwns fedora
[12:23] <zooko> http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/ubuntu/first-look.html
[12:23] <zooko> ^-- this blog entry says he could install the darcs package by enabling the universe apt-source.
[12:23] <zooko> I've enabled the universe apt-source and apt-get updated, but I still see no darcs.
[12:27] <roRy> zooko have you tried "apt-cache search darcs" or something?
[12:28] <zooko> yes.
[12:28] <zooko> oh wait
[12:28] <roRy> mmk, no idea what darcs is so cant help you
[12:28] <roRy> tried the multiverse?
[12:29] <zooko> What's the difference between uni and multi verse?
[12:29] <zooko> Now I've tried both, to no avail.
[12:29] <nevyn> universe is free stuff.. multiverse is non-free stuff.
[12:30] <zooko> Okay, I also tried adding the apt-source maintained by the darcs people.  The line they suggest is:
[12:30] <zooko> deb http://abridgegame.org/debian/ woody/
[12:30] <zooko> as written here:
[12:30] <zooko> http://www.scannedinavian.org/DarcsWiki/CategoryBinaries#head-4e7d1aacd7618015f43023071a3cecd3724cfad0
[12:30] <zooko> But then it says "Hit" and then "Ign" on that line when I run apt-get update.
[12:30] <paolino> ciao ,is the packages system compatible with slackware?
[12:31] <jdub> paolino: no, ubuntu is based on debian.
[12:31] <zooko> I guess it is "Ign"oring it because it is from a release named "woody" ?
[12:31] <polok> What are the addresses to get packages from ubuntu (that is the addresses to get universie in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:32] <zooko> okay, now I'll dl the .deb file from the darcs devels and try dpkg -i on it.  :-)
[12:32] <nevyn> zooko: it's in debian..then it's in universe.
[12:32] <zooko> This is the very first thing I'm doing on my new Ubuntu athlon64 system, because I want to put system files under darcs revision control before changing them.
[12:32] <paolino> jdub,are packages refreshed every six months or they follow another politics?
[12:32] <zooko> My Radeon 9250 card isn't detected, so I want to debug that, but first put XF86Config-4 and so forth into darcs.
[12:32] <nevyn> why darcs? why not arch?
[12:32] <topyli> zooko: i see darcs with apt
[12:32] <zooko> nevyn: then something is wrong!  darcs is definitely in debian.
[12:33] <zooko> topyli: thanks!  So I'm doing something wrong here...
[12:33] <zooko> nevyn: darcs is sweet and simple to use, and has some unique flexbility over arch.
[12:33] <zooko> But I really don't understand arch very well, because it's so complicated that my eyes glaze over when I try to learn about it.
[12:33] <nevyn> hrm maybe I should look at it.
[12:33] <nevyn> but I kinda like arch
[12:33] <nevyn> zooko: it's different certainly
[12:34] <zooko> I like a lot of things about arch, but I haven't ever actually tried to use it.
[12:34] <zooko> http://zooko.com/revision_control_quick_ref.html
[12:34] <zooko> ^-- my list of Software Libre revision control, generated with Extreme Lossy Semantic Compression (tm).
[12:34] <jdub> paolino: we have six-monthly stable releases that are supported for 18 months, and in between those, we have the development branch.
[12:34] <zooko> anyway, I wonder why I don't see darcs in my apt-cache search here...
[12:35] <topyli> zooko: dunno, the package says its origin is "Ubuntu"
[12:36] <zooko> topyli: so can you tell which apt-source line is necessary for you to see darcs?
[12:36] <zooko> Maybe I'm hitting a different mirror than you are or something ??
[12:36] <topyli> zooko: pool/universe/d/darcs/darcs_0.9.22-1_i386.deb
[12:36] <topyli> so it's in universe
[12:36] <zooko> topyli: thanks!
[12:37] <paolino> jdub,I'm used to freebsd ports,that's why I ask...I have found some problems in keeping my system uptodate with debian,you think now it's better whith ubuntu?
[12:37] <zooko> ohhhh.
[12:37] <zooko> Duh.
[12:37] <zooko> I'm on AMD64.
[12:37] <zooko> I had forgotten about the concept of binary incompatibility for a minute...
[12:38] <Nexinarus> shit i forget my root password, hehhe
[12:38] <zooko> I always write my passwords down.
[12:38] <zooko> Taping them to the monitor is a good idea.
[12:38] <Nexinarus> when you install ubuntu linux, are you given a change to enter the root password? i cant remember
[12:38] <zooko> Also storing them in the clear on a different system.
[12:39] <nevyn> zooko: star merge merges a remote development tree into the local tree.
[12:39] <zooko> And I'm a security expert.  :-)
[12:39] <jdub> paolino: we release every six months.
[12:39] <zooko> nevyn: very interesting!
[12:39] <ATJ> zooko: And you are 13 years old? ;)
[12:39] <zooko> darn, darcs is written in Haskell, and the Haskell compiler isn't available for AMD64 I think...
[12:40] <nevyn> zooko: if someone's got physical access you're screwed already.. so taping them to the monitor isn't that bad.
[12:40] <paolino> jdub thnx,I will think about changing for a while.
[12:40] <zooko> ATJ: when I was 13, I was super-careful about passwords, and I ended up losing a lot of valuable files by encrypting them and then forgetting the passphrase.
[12:40] <zooko> Now I'm older and wiser.
[12:41] <nevyn> zooko: I've done that to a gpg key
[12:41] <zooko> http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/debian-amd64/buildd-logs/ghc-cvs/
[12:41] <zooko> ^-- Haskell compiler built for debian-amd64.  Maybe I can dpkg -i that.
[12:43] <zooko> Actually, I didn't do that when I was 13.  More like 18.
[12:43] <nevyn> zooko: I did it about then
[12:43] <zooko> When I was 13 I wrote minesweeper in TI 99/4a Extended BASIC.
[12:43] <nevyn> nexno you're not given that oportunity
[12:43] <nevyn> blah
[12:44] <Amaranth> eek
[12:44] <zooko> So, how can I use other apt-sources on Ubuntu?
[12:45] <Amaranth> zooko: oh, i was just going to tell you that darcs works :P
[12:45] <zooko> Why did it say "Ign" when I pointed it to an unofficial apt-source?
[12:45] <Amaranth> but i'm on x86
[12:45] <zooko> Maybe I could use the debian-amd64 apt-sources.
[12:45] <Amaranth> zooko: I wouldn't try to.
[12:45] <zooko> Oh, maybe it said Ign because I pointed it to x86 apt-source.
[12:45] <Amaranth> You'd be better trying to download the specific packages you need.
[12:46] <Amaranth> Unless you know how to use pinning.
[12:46] <zooko> Let'see, now..  I was about to say I needed to remember how to configure it to not get anything from debian unless I tell it "apt-get install -t sid"...
[12:47] <Amaranth> zooko: That'd be pinning. :P
[12:47] <zooko> Normally I remember these things by copying my old config files, but that hard drive is off-line right now for surgery...
[12:47] <Amaranth> There's a HOWTO in the ubuntu wiki.
[12:47] <zooko> Amaranth: yes, that's what I meant.  thanks for the tip!
[12:48] <zooko> Whee.  It's downloading darcs-amd64 from debian's "pure64" apt-source.  Wish me luck!
[12:49] <nevyn> ummm god help you.
[12:49] <nevyn> :)
[12:49] <Amaranth> s/god/$DEITY/
[12:50] <topyli> yeah, lets keep it neutral :)
[12:50] <daniels> 'darcs-amd64'?
[12:50] <zooko> Whee!  what fun!
[12:51] <zooko> daniels: I mean the AMD64 compile of darcs.
[12:51] <topyli> darn, my irc bot keeps forgetting who's boss, wont give me ops :)
[12:52] <Amaranth> Why you would want to use darcs is beyond me.
[12:52] <Amaranth> :P
[12:53] <SmokingFire> Is there anyway for me to see what version of Ubuntu I'm running? I know I can look at sources.list but I wonder if there is another easier way.
[12:53] <roRy> uname -a
[12:53] <enc_> hello
[12:53] <enc|on|accela> i need some help
[12:53] <enc|on|accela> :-)
[12:53] <Amaranth> roRy: That doesn't tell you.
[12:53] <SmokingFire> roRy: well that linux not the distro.
[12:53] <enc|on|accela> configuring PCMCIA Wireless lan card
[12:54] <SmokingFire> I want to see what distro version I'm running.
[12:54] <darkersatanic> I can't get to my Ubuntu box just now,
[12:54] <darkersatanic> but what does /etc/issue say?
[12:54] <Amaranth> *ding ding*
[12:54] <Amaranth> that's it
[12:54] <Amaranth> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" Development Branch \n \l
[12:55] <Amaranth> I'm guessing that file controls what gets show at a tty login?
[12:55] <Amaranth> err, shown
[12:55] <darkersatanic> I think so, yes.
[12:55] <SmokingFire> Amaranth: how did you get that info?
[12:55] <Amaranth> SmokingFire: cat /etc/issue
[12:55] <SmokingFire> ok thanks
[12:56] <topyli> i guess the "official" way to determine a distro these days is cat /etc/lsb-release
[12:56] <enc|on|accela> any help on pcmcia?
[12:56] <topyli> dunno if all distros respect lsb though
[12:56] <zooko> Amaranth: I'd like to hear your opinion of darcs.
[12:57] <SmokingFire> topyli: thats even better.
[12:57] <Amaranth> zooko: I've never used it, just going by what a GNOME guy reviewing source control systems said.
[12:58] <zooko> Did he write down what he said so I can read it?
[12:58] <Amaranth> looking now
[12:58] <zooko> thanks
[12:58] <Amaranth> i read it on planet.gnome.org and can't remember who it was
[12:58] <Amaranth> so this might take awhile
[12:59] <zooko> Great!  I have darcs and my bash config files.  Now to see why my graphics card isn't detected.
[01:00] <Amaranth> cool, i think that found it
[01:00] <Amaranth> or not
[01:01] <zooko> http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:pGKVm3WwhG4J:www.terdmonk.com/drupal/aggregator/feed/7+planet.gnome.org+darcs&hl=en&lr=lang_en
[01:01] <malaclyps> hey, zooko! good to see you!
[01:02] <zooko> Hi there!
[01:02] <malaclyps> you're up late for a dad
[01:02] <zooko> I just installed ubuntu on my brand new, shiny Athlon64 box.
[01:02] <zooko> Ha!  It's 8:00.
[01:02] <zooko> I've been up for 3 hours.
[01:02] <zooko> YOU're up late for a dad.
[01:03] <malaclyps> yowser! i didn't know ubuntu supported amd64
[01:03] <malaclyps> i am, the family's away to disney, and my sleeping patterns have rebelled
[01:03] <zooko> Heh heh heh.
[01:03] <zooko> Yeah, Ubuntu installed cleanly on AMD64 except X isn't working.
[01:04] <zooko> Then I wanted darcs revision control system and managed to snag it from the debian-amd64 apt-source without, as far as I've noticed, breaking anything else.
[01:04] <zooko> So I'm thrilled.  Now as soon as I get X running I can see what everyone is talking about re: the December calendar image.
[01:04] <malaclyps> what's the video card?
[01:05] <zooko> Radeon 9250
[01:05] <malaclyps> hunh. i've been having problems with i845g, but that's me being greedy for new releases, and hoary not quiite being there yet, i think
[01:06] <mjr> zooko, I had that problem, it's an XFree86 bug. Replace the "ati" driver string in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with "radeon"
[01:06] <mjr> also, it's fixed in Hoary's X.org
[01:06] <zooko> mjr: thanks!
[01:06] <zooko> Hm.  So I *could* try "apt-get install -t hoary x.org" or some such, eh?  8-)
[01:07] <malaclyps> i actually came online to see whether an apt-get dist-upgrade is foolhardy right now or not
[01:07] <malaclyps> but my plan was to just lurk and listen for screams
[01:08] <zooko> Amaranth: Colin Walter's objection to darcs is a good objection, and runs deep into darcs view of the universe.
[01:09] <zooko> But it only applies to large-scale decentralized projects.
[01:09] <Amaranth> yep, thats the one, i think
[01:09] <zooko> For small scale centralized projects such as maintaining my system config files, darcs is beautiful.
[01:09] <Amaranth> although i'm almost positive there was someone that actually went through and had an acrticle for each major one
[01:09] <Amaranth> with pluses and minuses for each
[01:09] <zooko> I'm also using darcs on a professional project that involves making proprietary extensions of the Shtoom open source VoIP software.
[01:10] <zooko> Amaranth: if you find it, please e-mail zooko@zooko.com so that I can add it to http://zooko.com/revision_control_quick_ref.html.
[01:10] <malaclyps> how's codeville coming along, do you know?
[01:10] <Amaranth> ok
[01:10] <Q-FUNK> gnome theme spotted.
[01:11] <zooko> I just got a message from Ross Cohen re: Codeville.
[01:11] <zooko> I wrote him asking what had changed since the website was updated in Sept.
[01:11] <zooko> He said critical bugfixes, Windows, port, he would make new release Real Soon Now, and I should fix my quick ref to be more complete and correct.
[01:12] <zooko> Because of my recent discovery, thanks to Colin Walters among others, of darcs's deep limitation for large-scale decentralization, I'm increasingly interested in monotone and codeville.
[01:12] <zooko> And arch, but only because I have to be.
[01:19] <zooko> So arch's star merge is what I have been calling "cherry-picking of patches", then?
[01:19] <theine> Where can I submit bug-reports?
[01:19] <decent> kkkk
[01:19] <zooko> Hm.  I think hoary's x.org locked up my system.
[01:20] <theine> Can't find a link in on the Ubuntu homepage
[01:20] <Seveas> theine: check if it is already filed at bugzilla.ubuntu.com, if it is not maybe discuss the bug in the ubuntu-devel list or file it in the bugzilla.
[01:20] <Seveas> On the homepage: support -> bugs
[01:21] <theine> Alright, thanks
[01:23] <theine> And yes, this bug already has been filed
[01:23] <Amaranth> "Unix for stability; Macs for productivity; Palm for mobility; Windows for Solitaire"
[01:23] <Amaranth> hehe
[01:27] <lupus_> is there something like ac3 but open (without patents like ogg)
[01:28] <Amaranth> what is ac3?
[01:29] <Amaranth> oh, dolby digital
[01:29] <Amaranth> so you need surround sound, right?
[01:30] <Amaranth> http://news.designtechnica.com/article6041.html
[01:31] <nevyn> flacc?
[01:31] <zooko> So, how do you get rid of a linux process that won't go away with SIGKILL?
[01:31] <Amaranth> zooko: its a zombie
[01:31] <zooko> It's xorg, by the way...
[01:31] <Amaranth> zooko: init will hopefully eventually pick up on it and kill it, otherwise you need to reboot
[01:32] <Amaranth> by eventually i mean in a couple hours :P
[01:32] <zooko> Amaranth: so I shouldn't have SIGKILL'ed gdm first.
[01:32] <zooko> Thanks!
[01:32] <Amaranth> kill -9 is the same as kill -SIGKILL, right?
[01:32] <zooko> yes
[01:33] <Amaranth> then its a zombie :P
[01:33] <stevecarter> Hi - I am completely new to ubuntu and have a problem. I have installed it succesfully on a laptop which is connected to a LAN which has Windows computers on it. When I try to check the button in Network Configuration that will allow Windows Network sharing, I get a message that states "SMB Support not available - please install SMB support in system"  I do not have the foggiest idea how to do this. Can someone help please?
[01:34] <nevyn> umm you need to start the software installer program. but I don't know exactly where it is in ubuntu.
[01:35] <nevyn> you could type "sudo apt-get install samba" at a commandline and that'd probably do it tho.
[01:36] <stevecarter> nevyn: how do I get a command line? (I told you I was new at this :-/)
[01:36] <taurex> stevecarter, are you a chef by any chance?
[01:36] <zooko> Okay, this time I killed xorg first -- while leavind gdm alone, but it *still* goes zombie.
[01:36] <marsjays> i'm thinking about switching to ubuntu (using debian unstable now). is there some kind of "ubuntu unstable" with more or less bleeding edge software?
[01:37] <Amaranth> zooko: um
[01:37] <stevecarter> taurex: no - sorry.
[01:37] <zooko> marsjays: in a word, yes.
[01:37] <nevyn> marsjays: hoary
[01:37] <taurex> np
[01:37] <Amaranth> zooko: type this into a terminal: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:37] <pisuke> marsjays, horay
[01:37] <jdub> marsjays: there is the development branch for each release.
[01:37] <jdub> marsjays: which is currently called hoary
[01:37] <zooko> I just installed ubuntu warty (the stable) and then pulled a few bleeding edge packages from debian-amd64 unstable.
[01:37] <zooko> Amaranth: thanks.
[01:37] <nevyn> someone using ubuntu tell stevecarter the way to get to synaptic.
[01:37] <nevyn> ....
[01:37] <jdub> computer > system configuration > synaptic
[01:38] <Amaranth> stevecarter: Computer > System Configuration > Synaptic Package Manager
[01:38] <nevyn> thanks jdub :)
[01:38] <Amaranth> doh, beaten
[01:38] <marsjays> okay, thanks
[01:40] <stvn-uni> hi, i just updated hoary and now gdm won't start
[01:40] <zooko> Heh.  Amaranth: gdm stop hung.  Rebooting again.  :-)_
[01:40] <Amaranth> heh
[01:40] <stvn-uni> something about se_linux, still searching for the exact error msg
[01:40] <Amaranth> wait, why are you killing gdm and xorg anyway?
[01:40] <nevyn> stevecarter: get that?
[01:41] <stevecarter> OK folks - I have found that - there seems to be a smb client already installed, but not smb support - any idea where I find it?
[01:41] <nevyn> do you need smb-server to mount samba shares?
[01:41] <Amaranth> stevecarter: You want to do internet connection sharing?
[01:41] <stvn-uni> anyone else has problems with the latest hoary?
[01:41] <nevyn> no.
[01:42] <nevyn> Amaranth: he wants to access windows shares.
[01:42] <Amaranth> ah
[01:43] <maswan> Any known horrible showstoppers in the latest daily hoary install cd?
[01:43] <nevyn> I don't have these things.. I don't know if you need samba server to acces shares. I didn't think you did
[01:43] <stevecarter> Amaranth: As nevyn has surmised, I want to access windows shares on other machines on the LAN and ubuntu seems to need SMB support to do this.
[01:43] <nevyn> stevecarter: do you have samba-common installed?
[01:43] <jdub> stevecarter: it doesn't.
[01:43] <nevyn> and the smbfs package?
[01:43] <jdub> stevecarter: that page is for serving, not for access.
[01:43] <maswan> (for amd64)
[01:44] <jdub> stevecarter: just go to computer > network
[01:44] <nevyn> jdub: AH.
[01:44] <nevyn> I knew there was something wrong.
[01:44] <Amaranth> heh, that doesn't do anything here
[01:44] <Amaranth> nothing opens, no errors
[01:45] <Amaranth> i guess its because i'm a network of one, me and my router :)
[01:45] <Amaranth> or maybe its because of bugs, ack
[01:45] <nevyn> jdub: should it be there if you havn't installed samba or selected "windows fileserver" or whatever in the installer/package manager?
[01:46] <jdub> nevyn: it's just part of the networking dialogue
[01:46] <Amaranth> nevyn: It's a part of the ubuntu-desktop system.
[01:46] <Amaranth> It should be there just by having ubuntu-desktop installed, which everyone here should have. :P
[01:46] <nevyn> hrm.
[01:46] <nevyn> ok.
[01:46] <jdub> samba isn't
[01:46] <stvn-uni> hm, this se_linux thing, does it need to have kernel 2.6.9?
[01:47] <nevyn> that's a reasonable thing...
[01:47] <Amaranth> no, the network button
[01:47] <nevyn> sleep time.
[01:47] <Amaranth> it uses nautilus, which is fubar on my machine :/
[01:49] <stevecarter> OK folks - going to Computer > network produces a network folder in which the other computers reside, together with an icon labelled Windows Network. If I try to access the computers, I get a message saying that the folder contents cannot be displayed as I do not have the necessary permissions. If I choose the Windows Network icon, it takes me to the network, which in turn takes me to the computers, but I still get no joy because 
[01:50] <Amaranth> um...
[01:50] <Amaranth> no clue
[01:50] <Amaranth> i'd say its a problem with those computers, not you
[01:52] <stvn-uni> damn
[01:53] <CraHan> does anyone know how I can make openoffice think that I'm running gnome?
[01:53] <spiritz> whats ur problem?
[01:53] <stvn-uni> 'failed to start message bus: Attribute "if_selinux_enabled" is invalid on <include> element in the context' in my .xsession-errors file
[01:53] <stvn-uni> and gdm fails to login
[01:53] <CraHan> I'm using openbox as my wm and I'm not starting gnome-session, and I want to make openoffice use the new gtk filechooser
[01:54] <CraHan> it only uses the new gtk filechooser when gnome is running.  I think it's some environment var I need to set, but I'm not sure
[01:57] <martink> CraHan: IIRC there's an override environment variable. Read /usr/share/doc/openoffice.org/README.Debian
[01:58] <CraHan> martink: thanks
[02:02] <CraHan> worked like a charm martink
[02:04] <zooko> Amaranth: I'm trying to stop gdm and xorg because xorg locks up.
[02:04] <Amaranth> heh
[02:04] <zooko> I've got it now.  Removin /etc/rc2.d/*gdm* and rebooting.
[02:05] <Amaranth> wait
[02:05] <Amaranth> if xorg fails to start gdm will tell you and then drop to a tty
[02:09] <zooko> Amaranth: no, xorg hangs and can't be killed no matter what.
[02:10] <zooko> anyway, i don't really want gdm to start
[02:16] <zooko> Hm.  I think part of the problem might be that my monitor can't handle 1024x768, but when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't prompt me for which resolutions I'll try.
[02:17] <GotD0t> zooko then manually edit the file once its been configured
[02:17] <zooko> Ooh, xserver-xfree86 hasn't been uninstalled!
[02:17] <GotD0t> zooko: that might do it
[02:18] <fabbione> hey lamont
[02:18] <fabbione> ops
[02:18] <tck> zooko : remove the .0lock file from /tmp directory
[02:18] <tck> then try to restart X
[02:19] <_axel> hi, how do i make cdrecord run setuid root? i tried dpkg-reconfigure cdrecord but it didnt prompt me for anything
[02:20] <zooko> tck: thanks for the tip.
[02:20] <zooko> tck: err, but this doesn't seem like a good idea when there is still a zombie xorg process.
[02:21] <tck> well if Xorg aint working
[02:21] <tck> wants the harm
[02:22] <tck> are u in tty at the mo
[02:22] <Sirius_Black> hi guys - can some tell me how to do a basic ubuntu insatll from the CD, i.e. no X stuff etc, just basic install
[02:22] <tck> or its called .0Xlock file
[02:22] <tck> something like that
[02:22] <tck> not using linux at mo :/
[02:23] <zooko> Sirius_Black: I just relearned how to turn off gdm.  Why don't you do that?
[02:23] <sladen> Sirius_Black: "custom" at the install prompt
[02:23] <Sirius_Black> zooko: i dont have a problem with gdm and i know hoe to 'turn it off'.  I was wanderng how to do a basic install only
[02:23] <GotD0t> zooko: because having to turn it off means that its already installed in his computer...
[02:23] <Sirius_Black> sladen: tnx
[02:24] <GotD0t> zooko: which is im sure something he wanted to avoid
[02:26] <ulysse31> hello
[02:26] <GotD0t> hi
[02:26] <ulysse31> i have a stand alone pc without internet connection
[02:27] <ulysse31> i have smp
[02:27] <ulysse31> how to get the 2.6 compiled kernel version
[02:27] <ulysse31> i need the deb package
[02:28] <Treenaks> ulysse31: you have it by default
[02:28] <ulysse31> are you sure ?
[02:28] <GotD0t> ulysse31: uhh... its installed from the cd... you shouldn't need an internet connection
[02:28] <ulysse31> i don't know in fact smp
[02:29] <ulysse31> it's for my friend
[02:29] <Treenaks> ulysse31: oh smp
[02:29] <Treenaks> ulysse31: just apt-get install the smp image.. you can find it with synaptic or apt-cache search
[02:29] <Treenaks> ulysse31: it's included on the CD, so it'll ask for the CD
[02:29] <GotD0t> just out of curiousity, what does he do with a computer thats not connected to the internet
[02:30] <malaclyps> nethack. gotta be nethack.
[02:30] <Treenaks> nethack is the bomb!
[02:31] <GotD0t> nethack?
[02:31] <ulysse31> is there a way to see the complete package list on the cd ?
[02:32] <ulysse31> please please, ... :)
[02:32] <Treenaks> ulysse31: ls -lR ?
[02:33] <zooko> crawl!  i like crawl.
[02:33] <ulysse31> i'm at learning center now
[02:33] <GotD0t> WOAH... IBM is looking for a buyer for their PC unit
[02:33] <ulysse31> i haven't ubuntu here
[02:33] <Treenaks> ulysse31: just browse around on the CD then?
[02:33] <intinig> hello all
[02:33] <intinig> I messed up
[02:33] <GotD0t> hi
[02:33] <intinig> Installed ubuntu
[02:33] <GotD0t> hehe
[02:33] <intinig> (I'm Italian)
[02:34] <GotD0t> and that matters... how?
[02:34] <intinig> and didn't notice it used a different keyboard layout when I chose the password
[02:34] <GotD0t> oh gotcha
[02:34] <intinig> then I was unable to login
[02:34] <intinig> so I ctrl+alt+f1
[02:34] <intinig> and was able to login in a console
[02:34] <intinig> what did I do?
[02:34] <intinig> kdbconfig
[02:34] <intinig> and chose the right layout
[02:34] <intinig> but then I didn't know the password!
[02:35] <ulysse31> check this : http://glua.ua.pt/mirror/dists/ubuntu/releases/4.10/warty-release-install-i386.list
[02:35] <intinig> and now I can't find what was the original pass
[02:35] <ulysse31> i can't find the smp version of linux kernel ?
[02:35] <GotD0t> i think you can get into a root console by rebooting using the recovery mode and then change it through there
[02:35] <intinig> I'll try
[02:36] <Kamion> GotD0t: best roguelike ever
[02:36] <GotD0t> Kamion: excuse me?
[02:36] <Kamion> 13:31 < GotD0t> nethack?
[02:36] <ulysse31> i need your help :)
[02:36] <GotD0t> Kamion: rogue like?
[02:36] <Kamion> rogue was an ASCII-based dungeon exploration / killing monsters game
[02:37] <GotD0t> gotcha
[02:37] <omnivector> hey guys. anyone here installed ubuntu on a dual g5?
[02:37] <horo_skooppi> :o
[02:37] <GotD0t> omnivector: i wish i had the luxury of being able to do that
[02:37] <Kamion> GotD0t: nethack is its spiritual descendant; viciously hard to win
[02:37] <zooko> I like the roguelike crawl so much that I wrote a non-trivial patch for it to change the behavior of Xom, the God of Chaos.
[02:38] <omnivector> GotD0t: heh well me too :) if i can get the installer to boot
[02:38] <sjoerd> omnivector: recent dual G5 or the first generation
[02:38] <omnivector> sjoerd: dual 2.5 (most recent)
[02:38] <ulysse31> i need this package : linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686-smp
[02:38] <GotD0t> omnivector: did you download the power pc iso?
[02:38] <sjoerd> omnivector: won't work
[02:38] <GotD0t> omnivector: where do you live... i plan to rob your hosue
[02:39] <omnivector> hehe
[02:39] <omnivector> GotD0t: i have the official pressed powerpc disk for warty
[02:39] <sjoerd> omnivector: friend of mine also has such a machine. You need a 64 bit kernel for that apparently
[02:39] <omnivector> sjoerd: ahh.. well then.
[02:39] <GotD0t> sjoerd: all g5's are 64 bit...
[02:39] <omnivector> gotcha. oh well. said on the back "-power4 for Apple G5"
[02:39] <zooko> alas, neither turning down resolution to 800x600 nor changing driver from "ati" to "radeon" fixes my xorg.
[02:39] <sjoerd> GotD0t: DOH, but they can still run 32 bit code
[02:39] <omnivector> i tried "expert -power4"
[02:40] <GotD0t> sjoerd: but the question is why do the new generation ones don't work and the old ones do
[02:40] <zooko> I'll try turning off all X modules.
[02:40] <sjoerd> GotD0t: because the older generation booted with a 32 bit kernel and the new ones don't
[02:40] <intinig> GotD0t: Thanks it worked
[02:40] <GotD0t> sjoerd: gotcha
[02:40] <intinig> gonna log on the ubuntu box now, thanks
[02:40] <GotD0t> intinig: not a problem
[02:41] <GotD0t> ok well i have to finish getting ready for class
[02:41] <GotD0t> see ya all later
[02:41] <omnivector> sjoerd: you sure about that? the kernel in panther is 32bit
[02:41] <zooko> Oh wait, first I'll try using framebuffer.
[02:41] <zooko> Nope, that didn't work.
[02:42] <omnivector> oh well. gotta run
[02:44] <sjoerd> omnivector: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2137
[02:46] <intinig> Hi all
[02:46] <intinig> connected from the ubuntu box now :)
[02:46] <intinig> is there a gui way to change res?
[02:46] <intinig> resolution
[02:46] <intinig> I mean :D
[02:46] <zooko> waaaitaminute.  Running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't change /etc/X11/xorg.conf...  Hm.
[02:46] <Kamion> sjoerd: it varies - we got the xserve g5s that serve as the Ubuntu powerpc buildds to work with ppc32 with a relatively small kernel patch
[02:47] <Kamion> zooko: have you changed that file yourself?
[02:47] <GotD0t> intinig: just a suggestion, you might want to password protect that recovery mode option... so someoen can't just get into that and mess with your entire system
[02:47] <Kamion> GotD0t: if they have physical access they can do what they like anyway ...
[02:47] <intinig> GotD0t, I'm at home and my brother and my sister can get killed if they try to touch my box. ;)
[02:48] <ulysse31> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-image-2.6-686-smp_2.6.8.1-13_i386.deb
[02:48] <GotD0t> yea... thats what i was suggesting you protect against
[02:48] <sjoerd> Kamion: don't know the exact issues, but a 64 bit kernel (gentoo live cd) boots
[02:48] <intinig> GotD0t, :)
[02:48] <ulysse31> i try to download this package but its size is just 20kb
[02:48] <Kamion> sjoerd: it's usually possible to backport the changes from what I can tell. Most of the new machine support happens in the ppc64 branch first, though.
[02:48] <GotD0t> ok im out
[02:48] <zooko> Kamion: yes
[02:48] <Kamion> zooko: did you read the directions at the top of xorg.conf?
[02:49] <intinig> wow I was running at 1920x140
[02:49] <intinig> wow I was running at 1920x1400
[02:49] <intinig> that's not a good resolution for my poor eyes
[02:49] <Kamion> under "If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated again ..."
[02:49] <intinig> 1600x1200 is better
[02:49] <Seveas> ulysse31: , that is because it is a meta-package
[02:50] <Sirius_Black> can someone please remind me how to create a root account
[02:50] <ulysse31> how to get the whole package ?
[02:50] <Seveas> it only contains dependencies to the real image
[02:50] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install linux-686-smp
[02:50] <sjoerd> Kamion: nice.. But my friend isn't die-hard enough to do that :)
[02:50] <ulysse31> i haven't ubuntu here
[02:50] <intinig> first impression: ubuntu looks really cool
[02:50] <ulysse31> and my friend doesn't have internet connection at his home
[02:50] <Seveas> aha
[02:51] <Seveas> wait a sec
[02:51] <ulysse31> thanks
[02:51] <Sirius_Black> is it #sudo root passwd
[02:51] <Kamion> sjoerd: when I did it I didn't have much choice; it was that, or Warty would've had no powerpc support at all
[02:51] <ulysse31> i just need to manually download the smp kernel package
[02:51] <Seveas> i386 or i686?
[02:52] <titbread> how do i activate universe?
[02:52] <ulysse31> i686
[02:52] <roRy> edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:52] <intinig> I wanted to ask titbread's question too
[02:52] <titbread> thank you
[02:52] <roRy> uncomment the lines ending in universe
[02:53] <titbread> i do that with sudo nano?
[02:53] <sjoerd> Kamion: yeah :) i personally would be crazy enough to do stuff like that, but he isn't..
[02:53] <roRy> ye
[02:53] <titbread> what do i use to save? is it control+c?
[02:53] <marsjays> ctrl+o
[02:53] <titbread> thanks
[02:54] <eruin> anyone know a way to playback a dvd-r image on linux?
[02:54] <eruin> without burning it to disc..
[02:54] <ulysse31> Seveas ?
[02:54] <titbread> is kde availible to ubuntu?
[02:54] <intinig> ubuntu doesn't come with a c compiler?
[02:54] <restrex> kde sox
[02:54] <spiritz> titbread : no officially but you can install kde debian pakcage. Works fine
[02:55] <Kamion> intinig: sure, gcc
[02:55] <titbread> spiritz, how can i do that?
[02:55] <Kamion> intinig: not installed by default, but it's on the CD
[02:55] <spiritz> restrex : would you mind explainning why
[02:55] <kent> eruin, do you have the .vob-files?  i just play those with totem, vlc or mplayer
[02:55] <spiritz> titbread : as debian reposites in synaptic, then enable then and install kde packages
[02:55] <restrex> no, i don't want to explain u that
[02:55] <intinig> Kamion, apt-get install gcc?
[02:55] <Kamion> intinig: sure
[02:55] <spiritz> restrex : Ok I see the kind of people u are
[02:55] <restrex> yes
[02:56] <restrex> :)
[02:56] <restrex> ok :P
[02:56] <restrex> do u know why kde isn't on ubuntu?
[02:56] <Kamion> intinig: might want to install build-essential to get various other fundamental development tools
[02:56] <restrex> ok
[02:56] <Kamion> restrex: because we only have the resources to support one major desktop environment.
[02:56] <roRy> restrex, probably because its aimed at users
[02:56] <roRy> that 2 i guess
[02:57] <titbread> spiritz,  my linux computer doesnt have access to the internet, is there anyway i can download kde and get it onto the ubuntu box via a cd for instance or a usb pen drive?
[02:57] <restrex> :)
[02:57] <kent> Will Gnome system tools include support for sharing over samba in Hoary?
[02:57] <Treenaks> yes
[02:57] <Kamion> kent: gnome-user-share's already in hoary
[02:57] <marsjays> titbread: you could probably get the packages from debian.org, burn them to a cd, and install on the ubuntu box
[02:58] <titbread> thanks
[02:58] <spiritz> titbread : you should go on the kde website then in the download section there should be ftp reposites where you can download all the required .deb files
[02:58] <jdub> Kamion: differen thing
[02:58] <kent> Kamion, oh. Thats the program they are discussing on gnome-desktop-devel right?  It sounds great! :)
[02:58] <titbread> ok
[02:58] <cenerentola> hi there
[02:58] <titbread> spiritz,  thanks
[02:58] <jdub> Kamion: there's a sharing tool misplaced in the system menu
[02:58] <jdub> s/Kamion/kent/
[02:58] <cenerentola> jdub: what about the mailing list thing?
[02:58] <Kamion> jdub: ah, ok
[02:58] <jdub> cenerentola: sorry?
[02:58] <jdub> Kamion: g-u-s does zeroconf and webdav stuff
[02:58] <marsjays> titbread: but be sure to check out that all dependencies are met (on every debian package page there is a list of dependencies, packages you must have for that one to work)
[02:58] <cenerentola> jdub: today's query
[02:59] <jdub> cenerentola: i don't know what you're talking about
[02:59] <cenerentola> jdub: ok..
[02:59] <titbread> marsjays,  im a linux newbie so this is kinda over my head
[02:59] <cenerentola> jdub: i queried you asking if it was possible...
[02:59] <wood1> Is there anybody using Hoary ?
[03:00] <jdub> cenerentola: what was possible?
[03:00] <kent> jdub, isn't it the same? i thought it was gnome-user-share they are discussing?
[03:00] <Kamion> jdub: right
[03:00] <spiritz> wood1 : I do
[03:00] <wood1> Can somebody help me with Hoary? I can't upgrade in Hoary
[03:00] <marsjays> titbread: ok.. well, in that case i'm not sure you should do it that way at all.. umm.. it would probably be better to download and burn the debian cd images with kde, and add them to your sources.list (could probably do that with synaptic)
[03:00] <jdub> kent: no, different things
[03:00] <spiritz> explain ur problem
[03:01] <spiritz> titbread : marsjays is right
[03:01] <cenerentola> jdub: what about it then?
[03:01] <titbread> spiritz, Ok then I think I might just download debian and install that
[03:01] <jakk> amule or xmule???
[03:01] <jdub> cenerentola: what?
[03:01] <hbos> bbl
[03:02] <spiritz> titbread : the easiest way would be to temporary connect ur box to internet
[03:02] <cenerentola> jdub: the automatically sent mail, is it possible to have it?
[03:02] <spiritz> then it takes just a few minutes
[03:02] <titbread> ok well I will be gettin a network cable next thursday
[03:02] <titbread> so I can try then
[03:02] <jdub> cenerentola: please explain what you're talking about
[03:02] <jdub> cenerentola: what kind of automatically sent mail?
[03:02] <cenerentola> cenerentola having a mail sent to every new subscriber of the mailing list
[03:03] <cenerentola> every gentle one: who knows why xmms freeze when i tell it to play a shoutcast stream?
[03:04] <jdub> cenerentola: there's an optino for that in the mailman admin interface
[03:04] <cenerentola> jdub: actually, i know it can be done..
[03:04] <jdub> cenerentola: if you provide the text for the original mail, i can put it in.
[03:04] <cenerentola> just can you do... ok
[03:04] <cenerentola> jdub: many thanks
[03:08] <cenerentola> no clue for the xmms problem i have?
[03:08] <deFrysk> cenerentola, set sound output to esound
[03:08] <palle1> what does this mean, i get it at sometimes at the startup: ror: temporary failure in name resolution
[03:08] <deFrysk> of xmms
[03:09] <Amaranth> anyone else have all their gstreamer based programs completely fail to play anything?
[03:09] <palle1> and when i get that message i can't connect to internet...
[03:09] <Amaranth> palle1: You failed to connect to the DHCP server?
[03:09] <deFrysk> Amaranth, try totem-xine instead
[03:09] <cenerentola> no... it DOES bufer...
[03:09] <palle1> amaranth: okay, and why does it fail? an error in linux?
[03:09] <cenerentola> *f* but then it doesnt play
[03:10] <Amaranth> palle1: No idea, I'd be more willing to blame the server you're connecting to. (router, ISP?)
[03:10] <cenerentola> defrysk: where?
[03:10] <Amaranth> deFrysk: Sure, but that doesn't fix Rhythmbox. :P
[03:10] <deFrysk> cenerentola, dit you set output to esound ?
[03:10] <cenerentola> how?
[03:10] <palle1> amaranth: i don't use a router... there is a very strange thing though...
[03:11] <cenerentola> im behind a router actually..
[03:11] <deFrysk> rightklick topbar of xmms .> prefs
[03:11] <cenerentola> defrysk: what do you mean with output? drive? i cant find an esound driver
[03:11] <cenerentola> ahhh... right you're right..
[03:12] <cenerentola> yep i removed it..
[03:12] <palle1> every time i try to connect to internet in windows at the beginning i can connect but it's VERY slow and after a while i loose the connection entirely, and it's often after that it fails in lixux
[03:12] <cenerentola> ok thx
[03:12] <deFrysk> do apply and ok and retry
[03:12] <deFrysk> shut down xmms first
[03:12] <deFrysk> then try again
[03:12] <palle1> any1 know what it can be?
[03:13] <cenerentola> defrysk: thank you very much
[03:13] <deFrysk> cenerentola, yw
[03:14] <wood1> spiritz, I am getting errors related to OpenOffice.org while uprading in Hoary
[03:14] <intinig> quick question: I installed vim-gnome, why can't see it in the applications menu? (I can launch it from a terminal)
[03:14] <jdub> intinig: we prefer not to put stuff like that in the menu
[03:15] <intinig> jdub, I have to add it manually?
[03:15] <jdub> intinig: if you want to -> perhaps just add a launcher on the panel
[03:15] <wood1> Can somebody help me regarding the problem of OpenOffice.org in Hoary ?
[03:16] <intinig> jdub, actually that's what I wanted to do :)
[03:16] <jdub> intinig: right click, add to panel... :)
[03:16] <eruin> palle1: you should talk to your isp
[03:16] <eruin> or rather *yell* at your isp
[03:16] <jono> hi all
[03:17] <jono> what does System.map do?
[03:17] <Kamion> wood1: it's a known bug; welcome to hoary
[03:17] <Kamion> jono: it's a map of the positions of symbols in the kernel, for use by things like depmod and ksymoops
[03:17] <wood1> Kamion, what should I do now that I can't get past:  apt-get upgrade   ?
[03:18] <Kamion> wood1: wait 'til it's fixed?
[03:18] <Kamion> jono: http://www.dirac.org/linux/system.map/
[03:18] <wood1> Is there any other commands for bypassing: apt-get upgrade   ?
[03:19] <jono> Kamion, cheers :)
[03:19] <intinig> I don't know if it's ubuntu or gnome2.8
[03:19] <intinig> but I'm falling in love with it
[03:19] <Kamion> wood1: you could just not upgrade for a bit ... this is a development version, stuff does go wrong
[03:19] <jdub> intinig: it's a clever combination of the two. like lime and chilli.
[03:19] <intinig> mandrake 10.1 left me pondering if linux was still worth using now what I have a powerbook
[03:19] <intinig> s/what/that
[03:20] <wood1> But the thing is that I can't even open any applications from OpenOffice in Hoary
[03:20] <wood1> Now that's a problem
[03:20] <eruin> intinig: probably a combination plus the tight gnome/ubuntu integration M)
[03:21] <eruin> I use osx on my lappy and ubuntu on my desktop
[03:21] <jdub> eruin: we'll fix that soon.
[03:21] <eruin> jdub: I'm sure you will ;)
[03:21] <jdub> ;-)
[03:21] <intinig> well the road to OSX is still long (perfection)
[03:21] <intinig> but this is way cool
[03:22] <eruin> well, I wouldn't call osx perfect
[03:22] <eruin> I hate cocoa among other things :P
[03:22] <intinig> eruin, I love it, I guess it's a matter of personal preference
[03:22] <eruin> but it's gotten further in the "just works" department
[03:22] <eruin> granted, osx only have to support one arch
[03:22] <intinig> hmmm how do I upgrade to firefox1
[03:22] <eruin> has
[03:23] <intinig> I agree on the just works department
[03:23] <jdub> and the coherent apis department
[03:23] <intinig> it really really just works
[03:23] <wezzer> intinig: try search on ubuntu forum
[03:23] <intinig> you can focus on doing what you want to do
[03:23] <intinig> wezzer, thx
[03:24] <eruin> intinig: a bit boring not being able to apt-get dist-upgrade every other day to see which improvements ahve been made, though :)
[03:24] <eruin> I think it's starting to become an obsession here
[03:25] <wood1> Does somebody here has expertise in MySQL ?
[03:26] <Neill> define expertise
[03:26] <Kamion> Neill: history suggests that it means "can answer his question"; could be any level
[03:26] <wood1> Well what is the first step to get MySQL running ?
[03:27] <wezzer> intinig: did you found it?
[03:27] <wezzer> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3627&highlight=firefox
[03:27] <topyli> wood1: install it, and it's running :)
[03:27] <Neill> wood1: apt-get install mysql-server
[03:27] <intinig> wezzer, yes and I decided to upgrade to hoary
[03:27] <intinig> :D
[03:28] <wezzer> :)
[03:28] <intinig> how stable is hoary?
[03:28] <eruin> that's very relative
[03:28] <eruin> rock solid here
[03:29] <agenteo> I've copied the ubuntu config-2.6.8.1-3-386 as the .config file of the kernel I was going to build. I've modified the more then 1GB option than I've compiled, and installed the kernel but I assume something is wrong cause at the boot it tells that VFS can't find the root
[03:29] <eruin> apart from an upstream text-selection bug in evolution
[03:29] <jdub> intinig: stable, no, it changes every day; robust, fairly.
[03:29] <Kamion> intinig: expect plenty of upgrade problems for a while yet
[03:29] <titbread> does ubuntu come with apache running already?
[03:29] <topyli> intinig: it's unstable, it's different every day. but it's mostly stable, no kernel crashes :)
[03:29] <tridion> anybody else running on vmware on a winxp host?
[03:29] <jdub> titbread: no
[03:29] <titbread> because when I try and load http://localhost nothing comes up
[03:29] <eruin> (you won't notice the evo bug unless you frantically select text in a message while reading it)
[03:29] <wood1> Neill, how much space will MySQL occupy ?
[03:29] <titbread> jdub,  how do I activate it?
[03:30] <agenteo> titbread: you just need to apt-get install it
[03:30] <jdub> titbread: apt-get install apache2
[03:30] <eruin> apt-get install apache2
[03:30] <eruin> bah.
[03:30] <intinig> I love living bleeding edge, as long as it's usable :)
[03:30] <titbread> ah im gettin rid of this distro it sucks big balls, comes wiv gnome and no apache! NO WAY
[03:30] <titbread> not for me
[03:30] <Neill> wood1: the server it self will occupy very little.
[03:30] <jdub> intinig: it's "dogfoodable"
[03:30] <Neill> (maybe 50mb?)
[03:30] <eruin> titbread: cya
[03:30] <wood1> I see
[03:30] <Neill> potentially you could have large databases
[03:30] <jdub> titbread: apache is a fully supported package, it's just not installed by default in the *desktop* install.
[03:30] <Neill> What is it you are trying to do?
[03:30] <intinig> titbread, do you play everquest2?
[03:30] <wood1> What is the first step to build a database ?
[03:31] <tck> titbread : go grow a brain
[03:31] <intinig> I think titbread plays the troll in eq2
[03:31] <eruin> troll
[03:31] <eruin> how fitting
[03:31] <eruin> ;>
[03:31] <Treenaks> wood1: install the postgresql (or mysql.. if you're so inclined) package
[03:31] <wood1> You see, I have database knowledge only of MS-Access
[03:31] <intinig> jdub, is dogfoodable a bad thing or a good thing?
[03:31] <jdub> intinig: it means it's usable for day-to-day testing
[03:32] <wood1> Treenaks, what's the difference between postgresql and simply MySQL ?
[03:32] <Treenaks> wood1: they're 2 different database systems, each with its good and bad points
[03:32] <intinig> what do I get in hoary that I don't get in warty and is way cool?
[03:33] <jdub> you get to test gnome 2.9
[03:33] <topyli> wood1: mysql is a server, you'll have to worry about actually using it yourself. get a gui, or a web interface, or use the command line tool.
[03:33] <wood1> After installing MySQL, what is the first step to create a simple Database ?
[03:33] <Neill> mysql -u root
[03:33] <Neill> which should get you a prompt
[03:33] <Neill> then do
[03:33] <Neill> create database mydatabase
[03:34] <Neill> ;
[03:34] <wood1> Wow, a web interface, do we have to actually create the Web Interface in the first place
[03:34] <tridion> jdub: is gnome 2.9 default in hoary?  I'm installing it atm.
[03:34] <intinig> wood1, phpmysqladmin
[03:34] <Gandalfar> any ideas how to make external usb burner work?
[03:34] <topyli> wood1: no, you can install phpmyadmin
[03:34] <jdub> tridion: there is only gnome 2.9
[03:34] <zooko> Whee!  Thanks #ubuntu!
[03:34] <tridion> jdub: cool..  thanks.
[03:35] <intinig> hmm I am really undecided on whether to install hoary or stick with warty and hack a bit to install ffox1.0
[03:36] <wood1> How do I exit from the MySQL command prompt ?
[03:36] <intinig> quit;
[03:36] <Treenaks> wood1: ctrl+d;
[03:36] <topyli> wood1: if you're looking for a ms access replacement, it's going to be difficult
[03:37] <wood1> I did: mysql -u root and got: mysql>
[03:37] <eruin> fetch phpmyadmin for starters
[03:37] <topyli> wood1: what did you use access for?
[03:37] <wood1> I did:   mysql>create database mydatabase
[03:37] <wood1> Now I am stuck
[03:37] <Treenaks> wood1: ; <enter>
[03:38] <wood1> I used MS-Access for creating a small Database for tech support entries
[03:38] <wood1> Is there any front-end GUI for MySQL to create database like those of MS-Access ?
[03:38] <intinig> wood1, no
[03:39] <topyli> wood1: the reason i am asking is perhaps you don't need an industrial-strength database, but something like gaby or the openoffice database thingy
[03:39] <wood1> I don't see an OpenOffice database thing ?
[03:40] <topyli> wood1: it's in all the openoffice apps, in tools -> data sources
[03:40] <wood1> It has all the things similar to MS-Office but does not seem to my knowledge a database application
[03:40] <topyli> wood1: it's openoffice's best kept secret :)
[03:40] <intinig> ok I made up my mind, where can I download hoary?
[03:40] <wood1> Oh really
[03:41] <topyli> wood1: sure. open the spreadsheet and see tools -> data sources. create your databases there
[03:42] <topyli> you can also connect to mysql with it but i'm not sure if you need it
[03:42] <spiritz> intinig : edit your source.list and change warty to hoary, then start synapti and choose 'upgrade'
[03:43] <wood1> Can I import MS-Access database from OpenOffice ?
[03:44] <topyli> wood1: dunno, i don't think so. there might be tools to convert access files to something standard
[03:45] <intinig> spiritz, so simple?
[03:45] <wood1> Ok how do I create a Simple Database with a primary key and some fields ?
[03:45] <spiritz> yes
[03:45] <intinig> does hoary use x.org?
[03:46] <spiritz> yes if you want
[03:46] <spiritz> I kept xfree because Ati driver lacks x.org support
[03:46] <intinig> I have an ati too. Is the ati driver installed by default?
[03:46] <spiritz> by default the mesa driver is installed
[03:47] <spiritz> it's a video driver without hardware acceleration support
[03:47] <intinig> I noticed that :(
[03:47] <spiritz> if you want to install your ati driver, install search for fglrx in synaptic
[03:48] <spiritz> its ati driver's name
[03:48] <intinig> thx
[03:48] <topyli> wood1: let me find you garry's nice tutorial
[03:49] <topyli> wood1: here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garryknight/linux/oodbase.html
[03:50] <meff> is there anything on the ubuntu wiki showing why hoary is going utf-8 and whats good about it?
[03:51] <mojo> hi every1
[03:51] <mojo> I just played around with HelixPlayer and RealPlayer
[03:51] <mojo> I also compile the latest nightly build 01/12/2004
[03:51] <mojo> anyone need latest Hxplayer or RealPlayer
[03:51] <mojo> please PM me
[03:51] <jdub> meff: it means users don't have to muck around with all kinds of different encodings
[03:51] <meff> thanks but i'll stick with my beloved mplayer :)
[03:52] <mojo> wait wait, and my RealPlayer build also suppoer MPEG4!!!
[03:52] <mojo> so no buggy playing with Totem anymore
[03:52] <meff> jdub: i guess i dont understand fonts that well .. can you elaborate?
[03:53] <meff> so does mplayer mojo
[03:53] <meff> i can play literally anythnig in mplayer
[03:53] <mojo> meff: I love mplayer too, but I want some thing that is GTK2 man
[03:53] <meff> i dont use gmplayer mojo.. so it doesnt matter to me
[03:54] <meff> i have a bunch of bash aliases for mplayer just  how i like :)
[03:54] <jdub> meff: it's not just fonts.
[03:54] <mojo> meff: with me, I favor a complete GTK2 dekstop solution, no MIX stuff here!
[03:54] <topyli> mojo: so, what does realplayer support these days?
[03:54] <tck> i dont like football but damn this is funny http://www.repubblica.it/popup/servizi/2004/video/calcio_wm.html
[03:54] <tck> sorry off topic i know
[03:54] <jdub> meff: every single character you interact with is encoded somehow, whether it's ascii or utf-8
[03:54] <mojo> topyli: all Helix codec, RealAudio, new Quicktime codec, MPEG4, MPEG3
[03:54] <jdub> meff: utf-8 is designed to cover everything
[03:55] <Moof> jdub: "nearly" everything
[03:55] <zooko> Whee!  Now I have an Ubuntu warty with working X.
[03:55] <sirfred> Hi. An strange thing. The compose window of evolution is missing some icons on Hoary. Is that a known problem?
[03:55] <wood1> I forgot but what was the command for installing MP3 support for Rythmbox ?
[03:55] <Moof> jdub: it doesn't officality support klingon or quenya
[03:55] <tck> utf-8 encoding allows for any chars as far as i know
[03:55] <zooko> Now to uninstall all Gnome packages and Gnome libraries...
[03:55] <topyli> mojo: not bad. is mpeg3 same as divx?
[03:55] <topyli> mojo: i mean mpeg4
[03:56] <sirfred> The undo button, the search one, and more.
[03:56] <mojo> topyli: MPEG4 yeah, can play divx, xvid and other standards rock!
[03:56] <topyli> mojo: so was it had to build?
[03:56] <topyli> hard even. damn i'm a bad typist today
[03:56] <deFrysk> wood1, apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[03:57] <mojo> toplyli: yeah, if u build them by urself, RealPlayer will be able to play MPEG4, the official package doesn't support MPEG4
[03:57] <meff> hmm now only if evolution in hoary worked :(
[03:58] <topyli> mojo: might be something to do over the weekend :)
[03:58] <zooko> I hear that in the next version after Hoary, Ubuntu will dump Gnome and replace it with ratpoison and screen.
[03:58] <wezzer> zooko: oh no
[03:58] <meff> zooko: lol
[03:59] <zooko> Hm.  Whenever I exit from X, the terminal is all screwed up...
[03:59] <zooko> I'll try *not* using framebuffer...
[04:02] <jono> if I copy my .config file from a 2.4 kernel toi /usr/src/linux and use 'make oldconfig' in kernel 2.6, will it convert the .config to the new .config format?
[04:02] <sirfred> Lately, I find the subpixeling has got worse. I think it's worse in Hoary than in Warty.
[04:02] <sirfred> I'm using x.org in Hoary
[04:03] <Roptaty> sirfred: You are using an lcd display right?
[04:03] <sirfred> Roptaty: Yes.
[04:03] <sirfred> Roptaty: The colour subpixeling is too visible, I think.
[04:04] <Roptaty> sirfred: In my case, the autohinter was responsible for that, so i disabled it.
[04:04] <sirfred> Roptaty: Where could that be made?
[04:04] <Roptaty> sirfred: Comment out a section in /etc/fonts/local.conf thats referring to autohint
[04:04] <sirfred> Roptaty: Let's see
[04:05] <sirfred>   <match target="font">
[04:05] <sirfred>     <edit name="autohint" mode="assign">
[04:05] <sirfred>       <bool>true</bool>
[04:05] <sirfred>     </edit>
[04:05] <sirfred>   </match>
[04:05] <sirfred> Roptaty: Perhaps setting it to false ?
[04:06] <mulux> dpkg don't want to handle my XF86Config-4, because I edited it manually. So when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 it doesn't overwrite my config, how can I make it overwrite it?
[04:06] <Roptaty> sirfred: You can also do that yes, but its quite simple to just add <!-- and --> to it
[04:06] <sirfred> Roptaty: Thanks.
[04:06] <Roptaty> sirfred: <!-- before <match> and --> after </match>
[04:06] <Kamion> mulux: read the comments at the top of the file
[04:06] <Kamion> mulux: they explain exactly what to do
[04:07] <Roptaty> sirfred: Then relogin to gnome and see if it helped
[04:07] <mulux> Kamion: ahh, thanks!
[04:07] <zooko> what's the best package management front end?  I usually use apt-get, apt-cache, etc., but it offers no convenient way to purge libgnome2 and all packages that depend on it.
[04:07] <sirfred> Roptaty: I've disabled it with dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig
[04:09] <HcE> anybody got a good tip for a terminal in X? Currently using aterm with minimalistic frame and some transperancy. Would like something in the same style...
[04:10] <zooko> Hm.  This synaptic thing is kind of nice.
[04:10] <zooko> It is removing all gnome packages for me.
[04:10] <zooko> Unfortunately, that is soon going to require removing itself...
[04:10] <LiamH> HcE: take a look at http://lwn.net/Articles/88161/
[04:11] <HcE> thanks =)
[04:11] <Amaranth> zooko: It'll run in memory until you close it.
[04:11] <Amaranth> As will GNOME.
[04:12] <zenlunatic> Does ubuntu have a powerpc livecd?
[04:12] <jdub> zenlunatic: no
[04:12] <jdub> zenlunatic: hopefully for our next release :)
[04:13] <amer> hey, can any1 give a mplayer-install-for-dummies guide? :)
[04:13] <zooko> Amaranth: I knew that.  (Although it might cause some cruft to be left in the filesystem.)  I was just thinking maybe I should reconsider removing all Gnome since synaptic isn't bad.
[04:13] <zenlunatic> Well does anyone know of powerpc livecds with gnome 2.8/cvs and kde 3.3/3.4/cvs?
[04:13] <Amaranth> Well, you can reinstall synaptic and it'll only install the gnome libs it needs to work.
[04:13] <Amaranth> zenlunatic: Is there a PPC Ubuntu Live CD?
[04:14] <Amaranth> I doubt you'll find one with both GNOME and KDE though, unless they leave mostly everything else out.
[04:14] <amer> can anyone help me install mplayer? im a total noob and i cant seem to follow a guide to well
[04:15] <zooko> sweet.  synaptic was very nice.  It has come a long way since last time I tried it.
[04:16] <zooko> Okay!  Now I have a 100% Gnome-free desktop with ratpoison, screen, and xterm.  Now I guess I'll go ahead and install firefox or galeon or something and let a few gnome libs sneak back in...
[04:16] <wood1> Can somebody provide me with some good and useful site containing the Basics of:  MySQL ?
[04:16] <zul> www.mysql.com
[04:16] <zooko> Hm.  galeon didn't install.  epiphany-browser then.
[04:17] <zooko> I love how good package management allows me to be fickle and change software like I change socks.
[04:17] <zooko> Actually, even MORE frequently than I change socks, some days.
[04:20] <Riddell> zooko: konqueror
[04:20] <afonit> does anyone know how to search calendar entries in evolution, it is only searching task entries
[04:22] <word_virus> stupid question: building prog from source and "./configure" exits with "no acceptable cc in $PATH"
[04:22] <word_virus> should I add "/usr/lib/gcc"?
[04:23] <olimar> Hi al
[04:23] <olimar> l
[04:23] <Skwid_> my xmms doesn't work :
[04:23] <Skwid_> :(
[04:24] <olimar> Help I screwed up my system, it doesn want to start gedit and other apps it asks about:
[04:24] <olimar> gedit: error while loading shared libraries: libhowl.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:24] <olimar> but when wanting to install libhowl via synaptic it wants to remove every gnome app I have!!!
[04:28] <kent> olimar, have you recently added another repositores to synaptic (apt)?
[04:32] <bob2> Amaranth: no, there is no ppc livecd
[04:33] <Amaranth> olimar: I'd say let it. :P
[04:33] <Amaranth> I have libhowl0 and all my gnome stuff.
[04:33] <Amaranth> No, don't let it.
[04:33] <Amaranth> You've added Debian apt repositories, haven't you?
[04:33] <bob2> or some other nth-party one
[04:34] <Amaranth> I figured I'd say myself a format and get warty through sid.
[04:34] <Amaranth> s/say/save/
[04:34] <meff> bad idea
[04:34] <meff> :)
[04:34] <Amaranth> It can be done though.
[04:34] <Amaranth> I just didn't know enough about it at the time to do it.
[04:35] <Amaranth> I think if I would have installed ubuntu-desktop and let it do what it wanted then it would have come out ok.
[04:35] <meff> didnt anyone learn from rpms that mixing repositories is bad?
[04:35] <Amaranth> I would've had to tell apt that yes, it can break my system though.
[04:35] <meff> ;)
[04:35] <Amaranth> meff: I found that out too. :P
[04:35] <bob2> mixing repositories is fine
[04:36] <Amaranth> stupid RHEL didn't have python 2.3 and I needed it for someone I was hosting
[04:36] <bob2> mixing repositories made by different people who don't know what they're doing is bad
[04:36] <meff> well. compatable ones bob2
[04:36] <Amaranth> but RPM uses Python and that didn't work anymore
[04:36] <meff> ouch hehe
[04:36] <bob2> you install it from source to /usr/local/ or so
[04:36] <Amaranth> so i grabbed the python2.3-rpm package from mandrake along with its dependencies
[04:36] <bob2> just like you don't ever upgrade perl packages in Debian
[04:36] <amer> um how do i copy a folder to another folder in a terminal ?
[04:37] <bob2> cp -r folder1 folder2
[04:37] <amer> thx!
[04:37] <meff> cp -rav
[04:37] <Amaranth> -r works? I thought it needed to be -R.
[04:37] <bob2> they're the same thing
[04:37] <meff> yeah
[04:37] <meff> look at the manpage Amaranth
[04:37] <Amaranth> Ah, just like rm -Rf
[04:38] <meff> cp -rav is redundant but i like saying 'rav' :P
[04:38] <Amaranth> works with gnu, probably won't work with other *nix systems
[04:38] <meff> im not sure if -r is sysv syntax
[04:38] <amer> hmm
[04:38] <amer> it wont work
[04:38] <meff> whats teh error amer?
[04:39] <amer> i have a folder that i want to extract to usr/local/share/mplayer/skin
[04:39] <Amaranth> amer: You need to use sudo
[04:39] <Amaranth> sudo cp -r
[04:39] <meff> yeah
[04:39] <amer> well
[04:39] <amer> im am root
[04:39] <Amaranth> o_O
[04:39] <meff> try cp -rav
[04:39] <meff> its verbose
[04:40] <bob2> amer: no, you need to be more specifric
[04:40] <amer> the folder does not exist
[04:40] <bob2> show us  the exact paths you want to copy
[04:40] <amer> i've had linux for about 5 days now so i dont know how to do that
[04:40] <Amaranth> The one were you compile mplayer on your own.
[04:40] <meff> cp -rav source/ /bleh/dst
[04:41] <amer> Amaranth, close but not quite
[04:41] <amer> yes
[04:41] <amer> and i want to extract the skin there but i dont have the rights
[04:41] <bob2> lord, why does that howto recommend building it yourself?
[04:41] <meff> then you dont have the right permissions amer
[04:41] <amer> thats why i wanted to do it with root in the terminal
[04:42] <meff> Amaranth: use marillat's repos
[04:42] <amer> the folder i want to copy is in /home/amer/gi joe and i want to copy it to usr/local/share/mplayer/skin
[04:42] <bob2> amer: what are you trying to copy, and to where?
[04:42] <amer> what do i type?
[04:43] <bob2> ok
[04:43] <bob2> sudo cp -r '/home/amer/gi joe' /usr/local/share/mplayer/skin/
[04:43] <meff> yeah you need the quotes
[04:43] <cenerentola> hi there
[04:43] <amer> the folder does not exist
[04:43] <amer> wtf
[04:44] <meff> bob2 keeps beating me to it lol.. im on dvorak so typing a lil slow since i havent used it since i learned it years ago till lately :)
[04:44] <wezzer> anyone who has installed cinelerra to ubuntu
[04:44] <Amaranth> bob2: You could use /home/amer/gi\ joe too.
[04:44] <bob2> amer: are you sure /usr/local/share/mplayer/skin/ exists?
[04:44] <bob2> Amaranth: yes, I know, but quotes are less effort to explain than shell escaping
[04:44] <amer> yupp
[04:44] <wezzer> cinelerra compiles ok, but make install results error
[04:45] <Amaranth> wezzer: sudo make install
[04:45] <meff> if you source in bash_completion you get nice tabby completion :)
[04:45] <bob2> amer: so what does 'ls -ld /usr/local/share/mplayer/skin/' print out?
[04:45] <wezzer> Amaranth: won't work either
[04:45] <amer> the folder does not exist
[04:45] <amer> so wierd since im there right now
[04:45] <wezzer> it says, that can't find i686/cinelerra
[04:46] <meff> if you're there: cp -rav /src/dir .
[04:46] <wezzer> seems like there is some kind of error during compile
[04:46] <bob2> amer: what does 'pwd' print out?
[04:46] <cenerentola> thx for the warm welcome
[04:46] <bob2> amer: you need to be careful about making sure you're typing all these commands correctly
[04:47] <amer> OOOOOOOOH
[04:47] <amer> i think i got it now
[04:47] <amer> since i've always written skin not Skin
[04:47] <amer> i didnt know it was case sensetice
[04:47] <meff> yes
[04:47] <amer> sensetive*
[04:47] <olimar> yes I did kent
[04:47] <meff> nix is case sensitive :)
[04:47] <bob2> amer: yes, everything in unix more or less is case sensitive
[04:47] <amer> ok and now
[04:48] <amer> what whas the command?
[04:48] <meff> are you in the Skin dir?
[04:48] <bob2> amer: you need to give us more context
[04:48] <bob2> amer: you just realised you misspelt Skins now?
[04:49] <amer> yes
[04:49] <amer> and now i made another mistake
[04:49] <bob2> sudo cp -r '/home/amer/gi joe' /usr/local/share/mplayer/Skin/
[04:49] <olimar> well anyway got rid of the pacs a la rpm...
[04:49] <olimar> it works nw
[04:49] <olimar> ow
[04:49] <amer> lol i copied the whole gi joe folder insted of only copying the file inside
[04:50] <olimar> ok bye
[04:50] <amer> and i want to remove it hehe
[04:50] <amer> whats the commadn for removing a folder ?
[04:50] <bob2> rm -r /path/to/folder/
[04:50] <wezzer> rm -r folder/
[04:50] <bob2> but be really careful
[04:50] <thenuke> if you have many folders and files in it use rm -rf , and it wont ask you to type Yes I want to delete this folder and file too.
[04:51] <thenuke> then you must be extra careful ofcourse
[04:51] <bob2> no
[04:51] <bob2> you only get prompted if you don't have write permission on the dir
[04:51] <thenuke> but I think I have gotten those questions with root too :I
[04:52] <amer> bob2,  thx for the help
[04:52] <amer> i think i'll manage now
[04:52] <amer> somehow
[04:52] <wezzer> hmm, what video editing software you would recommend for linux?
[04:52] <bob2> you're welcome
[04:52] <thenuke> bob2: tested it, I was root, mkdir dir and so on .. and rm -r asked if I was sure
[04:52] <thenuke> hm
[04:53] <amer> oh by the way
[04:53] <amer> it doesnt seem to understand that there is a skin there now
[04:53] <amer> what do i have to do in order for it to know that there is a skin that it can use
[04:53] <thenuke> ah.. I have alias rm -i for rm :)
[04:53] <bob2> restart it
[04:53] <amer> restart what ?
[04:53] <bob2> but I suspect the problem is that you put it in the wrong place
[04:53] <amer> mplayer ?
[04:53] <bob2> or didn't give your user access to it
[04:53] <bob2> yes
[04:53] <amer> but its not even on ?
[04:54] <bob2> then it's probably one of the other 2 things I suggested
[04:54] <bob2> why didn't you just install mplayer from the available packages?
[04:54] <mxpxpod> does anyone else using hoary have an issue on shutdown or restart where /.dev doesn't unmount and segfaults the second to last script?
[04:54] <word_virus> weezer: Good article about this in the most recent Linux Journal
[04:54] <mxpxpod> sorry, I mean /dev
[04:55] <word_virus> weezer: (Video editing software, that is)
[04:55] <amer> bob2, what available packages
[04:55] <amer> i didnt find it on synaptic and i followed a guide i found on google
[04:55] <amer> thats about how good i am in using linux
[04:56] <bob2> wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:57] <zooko> the xkeycaps program recognizes my specific model of keyboard and shows me all keys working.  It generates a file named .xmodmap-yumyum
[04:57] <zooko> where yumyum is my host name.
[04:57] <zooko> Now how do I make X, or xterm, or some program use that file so that all my keys will work?
[04:58] <rodi> bronson: after hearing you talking about hoary yesterday, I seamlessly upgraded on my IBM T40p... what a treat!
[04:58] <amer> bob2, the files on that page
[04:58] <amer> do i just use apt-get to download them ?
[04:58] <zooko> hm.  I see that xmodmap is deprecated.  Hm.
[04:59] <amer> you'll have to excuse me bob2 since i am a major newbie
[05:00] <Amaranth> zooko: I think thats what the release of libxklavier10as supposed to do.
[05:00] <Amaranth> err, wtf
[05:00] <Amaranth> overwrite
[05:00] <zooko> I'm supposed to use this thing called XKB...
[05:00] <Amaranth> zooko: You're using hoary?
[05:00] <zooko> Well.... Almost all warty.
[05:00] <Amaranth> Heh, ouch.
[05:00] <zooko> Only a couple of small non-sytem things are hoary or debian-amd64 pure64.
[05:00] <zooko> So warty can't use my keyboard's "Windows" key?
[05:01] <zooko> Fine!  I'll upgrade whatever packages I need ot.
[05:01] <Amaranth> If you install libxklavier10 you'll have to get GNOME 2.9.x from hoary.
[05:01] <zooko> Do you get paid to hang out on IRC and be so helpful?
[05:01] <Amaranth> By then you might as well just use hoary.
[05:01] <Amaranth> zooko: I don't even know if this will work. :P
[05:01] <Amaranth> And no, no one pays me.
[05:01] <zooko> well, I don't use gnome for anything at the moment...
[05:01] <zooko> Well thank you for being so helpful.
[05:01] <jono> what do I need to add to a .htaccess file to get an apache dir listing?
[05:01] <zooko> So you think maybe if I install libxklavier10 then the Windows key will become a Meta key like it was on my old Debian system?
[05:02] <Amaranth> zooko: I really don't know.
[05:02] <Amaranth> I just know that it's supposed to work with xmodmap.
[05:02] <zooko> Ooh, waitaminute, the windows key *does* do Meta in xemacs.  Just not in X/ratpoison/xterm/bash.  Hm.
[05:04] <Amaranth> I believe that application has to support it.
[05:04] <Amaranth> s/that/the/
[05:04] <Amaranth> I think libxklavier is supposed to make it easier for applications to support stuff like that.
[05:04] <potato_head> What are kernel header files?
[05:05] <bob2> potato_head: what are you trying to do?
[05:05] <Amaranth> potato_head: Kernel source code needed to build a module for your kernel.
[05:05] <zooko> Well, I guess it is time for me to stop configuring my system and get to work!  Thanks for the help!
[05:06] <potato_head> bob2: nothing in particular. I'm just about to recompile the kernel
[05:06] <bob2> potato_head: ah, then what Amaranth said
[05:06] <potato_head> thanks :)
[05:06] <bob2> linux-kernel-headers is something pretty different, tho
[05:06] <Elwood> nautilus: relocation error: nautilus: undefined symbol: nautilus_view_factory_register
[05:06] <Elwood> what's wrong?
[05:07] <bob2> Elwood: are you using hoary?
[05:07] <Elwood> yes
[05:07] <Elwood> bob2,  it's "normal"?
[05:08] <bob2> Elwood: it's "you're using a development version of a distribution, check the bug tracking system" ;-)
[05:08] <Elwood> ok
[05:09] <diesel> While trying to install Ubuntu, I get the following error:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:  linux-386: Depends: linux-image-386 but is not installable ...
[05:10] <bob2> diesel: warty, right?
[05:10] <diesel> ...Depends: linux-restricted-modules-386 but is not going to be installed
[05:10] <diesel> bob2, yes
[05:10] <bob2> diesel: check your cd burnt correctly
[05:11] <Dn2K> hello, i have a problem with the powerpc ubuntu installation, is there anyone that can help me? I cannot login into ubuntu with username and password that i have set during the installation process...
[05:11] <diesel> bob2, I will do that.  I md5sum(ed) the iso file and it is okay.  However, I did not check the cd
[05:11] <diesel> bob2, what is the best way to make sure that the cd burnt correctly?
[05:11] <bob2> diesel: md5sum /dev/hdc
[05:12] <Dn2K> i suppose that's a common problem because i have make a standard installation into an ibook
[05:12] <diesel> bob2, :-/ excuse my stupidity
[05:14] <Kamion> bob2: there's a better way
[05:15] <Kamion> diesel: press the back button in the installer, and choose "verify CD-ROM integrity" (or something similar to that) from the main menu
[05:15] <bob2> Kamion: oh, pimp
[05:20] <diesel> Kamion, I will also do that.  Thanks
[05:21] <thenuke> Is there any problems if I do dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb  AND hda is mounted at the time of copying?
[05:24] <Dn2K> thenuke there is no problem for hda because you using the device in read only mode, but hdb can have integrity problems
[05:25] <Dn2K> mount hda in read only mode or use a live cdrom to boot pc
[05:25] <rlpt> Is there a way to reinstall ubuntu warty so the system is reinstalled but my files are left alone?
[05:25] <bob2> erm, why?
[05:26] <rlpt> I tried from the install disk but it always wanted me to repartition my disk
[05:27] <rlpt> I installed evolution from hoary, complete with dependancies and it broke my system
[05:27] <thenuke> Dn2K: what do you mean by integrity problems?
[05:28] <diesel> bob2, Kamion:  Here is an interesting scenario.  The md5sum failed while the integrity test passed.  What do you think about that?
[05:28] <Kamion> rlpt: it throws you into the partitioner, but you don't have to do anything there; just tell the partitioner to mount your partitions and leave existing data
[05:29] <bob2> i'm not sure, I've seen that happen on working cds because the drive was dodge
[05:29] <Kamion> rlpt: this'll only work if your important data is on a different partition from where you want to have / and /usr, though
[05:29] <rlpt> i was doing this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3627 and did evo as well, now when my system boots at seems to try and start an X server twice, errors, and cannot recover.
[05:30] <rlpt> hmm
[05:31] <Kamion> rlpt: that advice is pretty unreliable
[05:31] <rlpt> :)
[05:31] <Kamion> sorry it's labelled in such an authoritative-looking way; the forums aren't all that official ...
[05:32] <rlpt> It know
[05:32] <rlpt> i have a history of breaking things
[05:33] <rlpt> all i need to really do is "apt-get remove hoary packages install warty packages"
[05:33] <rlpt> does such a command/s exist?
[05:34] <sladen> rlpt: apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:34] <siretart> rlpt: nope. you need to configure apt for pinning warty
[05:35] <bob2> advice from the forums should be taken with a bucket of salt, imho
[05:42] <zooko> Hm.  Python module "audioop" is not found.
[05:43] <rodi> audiopoop sounds shitty anyhow.
[05:43] <rlpt> boom boom
[05:43] <rlpt> to slow
[05:43] <rlpt> lost the comic timing
[05:43] <rodi> nice ;)
[05:43] <rlpt> i try
[05:43] <rodi> zooko, is this hoary?
[05:44] <rodi> I've had some funny stuff with Python on hoary- trying to sort it out and submit a bug now-
[05:44] <rodi> appears to need a package not yet in hoary for completeness.
[05:45] <zooko> This is warty.
[05:46] <zooko> Hm.  How do I figure out whether this version of Python is warty or hoary?
[05:46] <bob2> you'd know if you'd upgraded part of it
[05:46] <Rene_S> Morning fine people of Ubuntu
[05:46] <potato_head> Afternoon ;-)
[05:46] <Roptaty> Evening ;)
[05:47] <rlpt> how stable is hoary? im tempted just to dist-upgrade to hoary and hope stuff works, im sure my problem is caused by the mix of warty and hoary
[05:47] <zooko> bob2: it might have been upgraded without my noticing, as a dependency or something.
[05:47] <rodi> Rene_S, hola.
[05:47] <zooko> But it is probaby warty.
[05:47] <zooko> I see that there are two version:
[05:47] <bob2> zooko: no
[05:47] <Rene_S> There needs to be a standard greeting for the internet that does'nt offend anyone's timezone
[05:47] <bob2> zooko: it could only have been upgraded if you edited /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:47] <zooko> Version: 2.3.4-5
[05:47] <zooko> Version: 2.3.4-1ubuntu1
[05:47] <rodi> rlpt, I upgraded to hoary last night, working fine for me so far.  I like xorg better than xfree.
[05:47] <zooko> I have the latter.
[05:47] <bob2> rlpt: some people can't boot atm
[05:47] <rlpt> hmm
[05:47] <bob2> rlpt: don't upgrade unless  you have can handle that sort of bug
[05:47] <zooko> bob2: Oh I definitely edited /etc/apt/sources.list.
[05:47] <rlpt> hows hoary powerpc?
[05:47] <zooko> Boy did I ever.  I edited the heck out of that thing.
[05:48] <zooko> I know how to tell which one I have...  sudo apt-get install -t hoary python
[05:48] <Rene_S> eww, looks like I missed a big bug
[05:48] <potato_head> What version of ndiswrapper does hoary have?
[05:48] <bob2> zooko: apt-cache policy python
[05:48] <rodi> zooko, does your /etc/apt/sources.list say "hoary" on every line, or "warty" ?
[05:48] <zooko> Yep. It offered to change things, so I must currently have warty.
[05:49] <zooko> rodi: cool!  Thanks!
[05:49] <zooko> rodi: my sources.list contains both.  But apt-cache policy python clearly explained that I have warty installed.
[05:49] <zooko> My apt.conf has a "Default: warty" line.
[05:49] <green_> why i can not mount and umount my partitions(ext3) when im user
[05:49] <green_> ?
[05:49] <bob2> zooko: erm, doing that is a bad idea unless you know what you're doing
[05:49] <bob2> green_: where they mounted at boot?
[05:50] <zooko> Dear People of Ubuntu: this is great!  This system is very fast and nice.  Thank you!
[05:50] <rodi> zooko, yeah, I used to try to do that with sid and sarge- eventually made the machine ubootable :(
[05:50] <green_> bob2: /dev/sda7       /mnt/all        ext3    rw,user,nosuid
[05:50] <zooko> rodi: I've done it with debian for a long time.
[05:50] <zooko> Now that you've told me about apt-cache policy I'm even better off...
[05:50] <green_> bob2, now i can mount but i can not umount? whats the problem?
[05:50] <rodi> zooko, gotcha :)
[05:51] <bob2> green_: how did you mount it?
[05:51] <rodi> zooko, you're on ppc?
[05:52] <green_> as normal user: ~$ mount /mnt/all
[05:52] <zooko> rodi: Athlon64!  :-)
[05:52] <green_> it mounts
[05:52] <green_> but problem i can not umount it :(
[05:52] <bob2> green_: are you using hoary?
[05:52] <rodi> zooko, mmm, nice.
[05:53] <zooko> O
[05:53] <zooko> I'm very pleased with my shiny new Athlon 64.  Not too expensive either.
[05:53] <zooko> I got the whole kit and caboodle (not counting display device) for one thousand Canadian dollars.
[05:53] <Rene_S> Wow there are some very talented Linux geeks in Brazil these days, took a look at Kurumin linux, its funky
[05:53] <green_> bob2, dist? ubuntu warty warthog
[05:54] <rodi> Wow.  Which is like 1500 US now, zooko? ;-D
[05:55] <rlpt> 1 GBP = $1.93745
[05:55] <rlpt> i think that the highest its been
[05:55] <zooko> It's terrible for me.  I get paid in USD and I live in Canada.
[05:56] <rodi> zooko, wow, that sucks.
[05:56] <green_> bob2, ok i got it thanks, problem solved :)
[05:57] <zooko> How do I configure what is in the LANG environment variable?
[05:57] <zooko> IT is currently en_CA.UTF-8 and lots of things are noisily complaining about it.
[05:57] <zooko> Subversion refused to run until I unset LANG.
[05:57] <Mead> ubuntu is debian based isnt it?
[05:57] <rodi> Mead, yeah
[05:58] <rodi> zooko, I don't know the "preferred" way, but you can set it in one of your .bash* or .login files.
[05:58] <zooko> rodi: thanks.
[05:59] <rlpt> ive just backed up my stuff and im going to upgrade to hoary
[05:59] <rlpt> wish me luck
[05:59] <Gwildor|work> good luck
[05:59] <rodi> rlpt, break a leg
[05:59] <Gwildor|work> itll be fine though
[05:59] <rlpt> its going to take about 3 hours :(
[05:59] <Gwildor|work> hahaha
[05:59] <rlpt> the suspence is going to kill me
[06:00] <rlpt> what ever happens it will work better than gentoo did :)
[06:00] <Gwildor|work> lol
[06:00] <rlpt> gentoos great and all
[06:00] <rlpt> but we dont get along
[06:01] <Mead> gentoo hates me too.
[06:01] <Rene_S> Today looks like a good day to install Portugese Linux Distro's, its cold and icy outside
[06:02] <Dn2K> bye bye
[06:02] <Roptaty> Why isnt fam enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[06:03] <jdub> it is
[06:03] <Roptaty> jdub: It was installed yes, but not enabled.
[06:03] <jdub> it is enabled and used :)
[06:04] <Roptaty> jdub: It wasnt enabled here anyway ;)
[06:07] <rodi> out of curiosity, is there anyone in this channel in an "official" Ubuntu capacity?
[06:08] <bob2> rodi: lots of 'em
[06:09] <yann_> hi :)
[06:09] <rodi> bob2: gotcha.  no ops, was just curious.
[06:09] <yann_> any webmaster/dev of ubuntu here?
[06:09] <yann_> I want to open a french support site for ubuntu, wanted to ask if it were ok to the ubuntu team... :/
[06:10] <bob2> rodi: lots of ops, just not opped atm ;)
[06:10] <hartbrkr> did anyone else order the cd's off the ubuntu site and get defective cds? i start installing, and then i get read errors on all 10 copies i got. i tried making an .iso from the cd in windows, and got read errors on that too.. my burnt copy that I just downloaded works fine though
[06:10] <Kamion> zooko: try 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and make sure that en_CA.UTF-8 is actually generated
[06:10] <jdub> yann_: are you on the french list?
[06:10] <yann_> hartbrkr > when did you received the cds?
[06:10] <hartbrkr> yann_ about a week ago
[06:10] <yann_> jdub > no, i'm not. i tried mailing info@ubuntu i think
[06:11] <jdub> yann_: probably best to get on the french mailing list and chat to everyone there
[06:11] <yann_> didn't get any answer
[06:11] <yann_> mailing list or irc channel?
[06:11] <jdub> mailing list
[06:11] <Olivier_54> lo
[06:11] <yann_> ok
[06:11] <jdub> info is the right place to mail, but i suggest you chat to the existing french community first :)
[06:12] <sladen> hartbrkr: there might be the odd dodgey batch;  somebody else noted they had problems on a successive set of their pressed CDs
[06:12] <yann_> i did on the french irc channel, but i'll try on the mailing list too, thx for the advice ;)
[06:13] <hartbrkr> sladen: should i just re-order them? is that alright?
[06:13] <sladen> hartbrkr: can you send an email/ talk to mako?
[06:14] <nate8042> can I print something with the ubuntu live cd?
[06:14] <hartbrkr> sladen: just about the defective cds?
[06:14] <mako> hartbrkr: are you sure it's not your hardware
[06:14] <mako> hartbrkr: have you tried in a different cd player?
[06:15] <cenerentola> mako: can i speak with you?
[06:15] <hartbrkr> mako: no, but that's the only cd i've ever had problems with
[06:15] <mako> cenerentola: yes, i got your message
[06:15] <hartbrkr> mako: i don't have any other computer to test it out on
[06:15] <mako> hartbrkr: i suspect when you find one, you will find it works on another computer
[06:15] <nate8042> I can't get anything to print
[06:16] <mako> hartbrkr: the chance of 10 bad CDs *and* a burned copy you made being bad in the same place seems basically negligable
[06:16] <hartbrkr> hmmm do you know why it wouldn't work? I have a hp dvd300i dvd writer
[06:16] <hartbrkr> the burned copy works fine
[06:16] <potato_head> I'm trying to get my wireless lan working with ndiswrapper, but when I do '#modprobe ndiswrapper' I'm getting an 'Invalid Module Format' error. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[06:16] <mako> hartbrkr: you said one ISO did not
[06:16] <sladen> mako: he was trying to make the burned copy by copying one of the pressed ones by the sounds of it
[06:17] <hartbrkr> oh, I tried making an iso from one of the pressed cd's i got in the mail, and that didn't work cause nero burning rom reported read errors. i burned the iso that I downloaded from the ubuntu website and it worked fine
[06:17] <mako> hartbrkr: i haven't heard any reports of bad cds
[06:17] <mako> hartbrkr: it not impossible of course but it seems unlikely.. see if you can reproduce it on different hardware
[06:17] <potato_head> Oh, it's okay. I think it's because I got the hoary ndiswrapper on a warty system (cos it's got a later version).
[06:17] <mako> hartbrkr: if you can, i'd *really* like to know so i can take this up with the cd company
[06:18] <hartbrkr> yeah i'll try it out next time i can use someone else's computer, and i'll let you know
[06:18] <mako> hartbrkr: that would be great
[06:18] <cenerentola> mako: will you be free [for me..smack;)]  in 5 min
[06:18] <mako> cenerentola: yes
[06:18] <mako> cenerentola: i'll be around for sure
[06:19] <cenerentola> mako: any good news for me?...it's seems the whole thing got stucked since that evening you called me
[06:19] <cenerentola> *had*
[06:19] <mako> cenerentola: it's not entirely clear what you want from me
[06:19] <mako> at least not clear to me
[06:20] <zooko> There is no galeon in warty?
[06:20] <marsjays> i kind of aborted apt-get after the reboot during installation, is there some way to resume?
[06:20] <cenerentola> mako: you mailed me to know what those cds where meant for.. right? then...
[06:26] <alberaan> buenas
[06:26] <wezzer> hey, which video editing software for linux you would recommend?
[06:28] <spiritz> there not many
[06:28] <spiritz> kino is ok
[06:28] <theine> is anybody familiar with the ``empty /proc directory after bringing down the network'' issue?
[06:28] <spiritz> but far away from windows' softwares
[06:28] <theine> on the other hand, kino is free...
[06:29] <spiritz> true
[06:29] <bob2> theine: on hoary?
[06:29] <Kamion> theine: it's been mentioned, jdub ran into it
[06:30] <jdub> theine: check /proc/mounts -> should be every filesystem unmounted
[06:30] <theine> bob2: yes
[06:30] <jdub> 4330 i think
[06:30] <bob2> theine: ipw2200?
[06:30] <theine> jdub: well, /proc/mounts doesn't exist of course, but yes, all filesystems seem to be unmounted
[06:30] <wezzer> spiritz: umm, isn't kino for capturing video only?
[06:31] <theine> bob2: close, ipw2100
[06:32] <theine> it's a bit sad, since i have to unload the ipw2100 module to get suspend-to-ram working reliably
[06:32] <jdub> theine: nice one, hey? :)
[06:32] <bob2> hm, it works for thombot
[06:32] <theine> jdub: haven't seen anything remotely similar so far...
[06:34] <theine> bob2: what works for thombot?
[06:34] <jdub> theine: which kernel are you using?
[06:36] <thenuke> hey what would be good and easy firewall solution for Ubuntu? Is the basic principle that I could/should block _every_ incoming connections, and then just a few ports open like 80, 22 and such
[06:37] <thenuke> if that is the case, then it should be a breeze to get some frontend for iptables for example
[06:37] <bob2> that's the default
[06:40] <hk> Im thinking on trying ubuntu, could someone give me some info ?
[06:40] <hk> about repositories and so...
[06:41] <bob2> hk: just ask your question
[06:41] <theine> jdub: the newest 686 Ubuntu kernel
[06:41] <hk> can ubuntu use debian repositories ? or it has its own repositories of "extra" packages ?
[06:41] <Tall> Hmm, trying to become Tallesin didn't work. That answers the i18n cse folding question.
[06:42] <Talliesin> Opps wrong chan
[06:42] <tyroavi> hey i downloaded ubuntu cd from the web
[06:42] <theine> jdub: 2.6.8.1-19
[06:42] <tyroavi> but it crashed, the first time it booted
[06:42] <jdub> hk: we don't recommend mixing repositories. with main, universe and multiverse, you have almost all of debian built for ubuntu.
[06:43] <theine> jdub: I downgraded to 2.6.8.1-16, but didn't help
[06:43] <tyroavi> HELP!!
[06:44] <hk> jdub k, what I wanted to know if there are many extra packages for it, if it has in its own repositories its even better :)
[06:44] <oly_mk2> hi, anyone know what i need todo to use opera ?
[06:44] <wezzer> is gtk.org ftp-site down?
[06:44] <oly_mk2> i downloaded a .deb file but do not have a clue what todo with it
[06:45] <oly_mk2> is there a tool to install .deb files ?
[06:45] <rodi> oly_mk2, dpkg
[06:45] <wezzer> dpkg
[06:45] <oly_mk2> its not associated with ny app
[06:45] <oly_mk2> okay ta
[06:45] <rodi> dpkg -i foo.deb
[06:45] <Phil|Looking> newbie Q:  I have tried 6 different linuxes - none have worked out of the box with SoundMAX Audio card - will Ubuntu ???
[06:45] <tyroavi> UBUNTU CRASHED < HELP !!
[06:46] <tyroavi> :(
[06:46] <rodi> tyroavi, any more details on that?
[06:46] <wezzer> ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.4/ - says connection refused
[06:46] <tyroavi> it did load xserver
[06:47] <tyroavi> says "i am sorry problem with xserver" and stops
[06:47] <tyroavi> it did not load XSERVER , sorry
[06:47] <theine> wezzer: same for me, guess it's down
[06:47] <tyroavi> RODI , can u Help ?? :(
[06:47] <rodi> tyroavi, what happens if you type "startx" ?
[06:48] <heilin> hi
[06:48] <tyroavi> says the same thing again " i am sorry i was not able to load xserver"
[06:48] <heilin> is in this channel someone who can speak czech?
[06:48] <heilin> or someone who can help me with ubuntu?
[06:48] <wezzer> tell us your problem
[06:48] <theine> hk: there are 15666 packages listed in the Ubuntu repositories
[06:49] <mirak> hi
[06:49] <tyroavi> and i found that even basic packages like gcc were not loaded :(
[06:49] <heilin> yes... but I hope that you will understand me.. I cannot speak En very well..
[06:49] <mirak> my gnome desktop have lost the task bars
[06:50] <bob2> hoary?
[06:50] <mirak> I mean they are present, but not functionnal
[06:50] <mirak> yes
[06:50] <mirak> bob2: me ?
[06:50] <bob2> mirak: yup
[06:50] <heilin> So.. I have laptop 486 and I installed  linux ubuntu.. so can you tell me how can I start xserver?
[06:50] <wezzer> heilin: startx
[06:50] <theine> mirak: does this happen when you try to log out?
[06:50] <tyroavi> ive worked on fedora for a long time , and finally switching back to the same... enough of UBUNTU :(
[06:50] <mirak> theine: when I log out ?
[06:50] <heilin> yes.. but it has written no such file or directory..
[06:51] <theine> mirak: forget it...
[06:51] <mirak> theine: what do you mean ?
[06:51] <theine> mirak: well this sometimes happens for me when i try to log out of gnome
[06:51] <theine> mirak: but only then
[06:51] <heilin> and how can I start in ubuntu PCMCIA wifi?
[06:51] <tyroavi> FINAL VERDICT IS UBUNTU SUCKS :p
[06:51] <bob2> please?
[06:53] <theine> tyroavi: is this the first time for you that the X server is not working out of the box?
[06:53] <heilin> or.. can you tell me some link to howto ubuntu?
[06:53] <siretart> heilin: what kind of pcmcia wifi card do you have?
[06:54] <yoss> linux.de
[06:54] <heilin> siretart:  waveLan Turbo 11Mb SIlver
[06:55] <siretart> heilin: do you know which chipset is being used?
[06:55] <heilin> no i don't know :(( siretart
[06:55] <heilin> siretart: some information are in the other side..
[06:55] <heilin> do you want to know it? siretart
[06:56] <rodi> hellin: type lspci -v, and look for your card.  should give you the chipset.
[06:56] <siretart> If you tell me the chipset I could perhaps say you if it is supported by linux at all
[06:58] <meff> anyone have an idea when evolution2 will be fixed in hoary? no ssl auths work.. for pop or smtp
[06:58] <bob2> is there an open bug?
[06:58] <meff> i believe so? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=27322#post27322 ...
[06:58] <heilin> uff ehy I don't understand ubuntu :'(
[06:59] <heilin> s/ehy/why
[06:59] <bob2> meff: forums != bug system
[07:00] <paolino> ciao ,I have problems with partitioning on a 686,I want to keep first partition (Freebsd) and use the Windows one for installing ubuntu,but the partitioner doesn't help me,or it's obscure
[07:01] <heilin> excuse me.. can you tell me how many girls are in this channel?
[07:01] <siretart> paolino: go to the shell in the installer and try displaying your partition table using partman
[07:02] <siretart> paolino: I think I also had the same issu: for me it was a semi broken partition table..
[07:02] <paolino> siretart, how do I go to the shell ?
[07:03] <heilin> siretart: how many girls are there?
[07:03] <siretart> paolino: alt-f3 I think.. or alt-f4? dont remember
[07:03] <siretart> heilin: dont care..
[07:03] <Kamion> heilin: there's no way to gather that kind of information and folks usually consider it impolite to ask others
[07:03] <heilin> siretart: why? :( I am a girl..
[07:03] <heilin> so I am couriouse
[07:03] <Kamion> "On the Internet, nobody can tell you're a dog." :-)
[07:04] <siretart> heilin: ah. well, it's not possible to determine that. but if you want to know: my girl friend also lives ubuntu ;)
[07:04] <siretart> loves, even..
[07:04] <Kamion> siretart: huh, my girlfriend has been complaining at me for a while 'cos a standard Ubuntu install is too big for the hard disk on her 486 :(
[07:04] <heilin> siretart: wow.. I have gentoo but in the laptop ubuntu.. I think that I will start the war with ubuntu in my laptooop :(
[07:05] <cenerentola> heilin: if u need anything... im here
[07:05] <cenerentola> ;)
[07:05] <siretart> Kamion: ;)
[07:05] <siretart> lucky her, she has a sony notebook with centrino.
[07:05] <cenerentola> so your gfs' know the difference from a floppy disk and a credit card?
[07:06] <cenerentola> s/from a/ between
[07:06] <cenerentola> ...bad bad bad
[07:07] <MarcusCrassus> Is it possible to resize an NTFS partition from the Ubuntu setup?  Or should I use PartitionMagic or parted to resize an existing XP partition?
[07:08] <bob2> not from warty
[07:08] <mjr> yeah, resize before
[07:08] <heilin> cenerentola: I am crying from ubuntu.. :(( because I have 486 laptop and a) it's very slowly b) I don't know ubuntu so I don't know how to control it.. What is the different from the other distributions? I know only mandrake and gentoo
[07:08] <siretart> Kamion: the brother of my girlfriend wants tried to install ubuntu on his old pentium 100 Mhz (32mb ram), but got stock with syslinux :(
[07:10] <MarcusCrassus> Okay cool, that's what I wanted to double check.  Thanks.
[07:10] <zenwhen> heilin, 486?
[07:10] <cenerentola> ...sorry heilin: could you please take off your shirt
[07:10] <zenwhen> wow
[07:10] <Kamion> MarcusCrassus: (that feature's in the hoary installer, BTW)
[07:10] <paolino> siretart, the partman sees only one partition fat16 which is totally wrong
[07:10] <cenerentola> while i explain
[07:10] <Kamion> cenerentola: please be polite or leave
[07:10] <zenwhen> perhaps you should try something reallllly light?
[07:11] <zenwhen> Like slackware with fluxbox.
[07:11] <zenwhen> Even that is going to be hell on a 486.
[07:11] <MarcusCrassus> Kamion: I don't know what the hoary installer is.  I'm pretty hard core Fedora user.  Can you explain?
[07:11] <siretart> paolino: thats the problem. the installer uses partman. you should really do a complete backup of your disk and try to fix your partition table.
[07:11] <cenerentola> rune is nice for that kind of things
[07:11] <siretart> paolino: if that file, recreate it and restore.
[07:11] <Kamion> MarcusCrassus: hoary's our development branch
[07:12] <Kamion> MarcusCrassus: in other words, "your feature request will be fulfilled in the next release" :-)
[07:12] <theine> Kamion: Will the Hoary installer still rely on d-i?
[07:13] <MarcusCrassus> Ah.  Okay, pardon the ignorance.  I have been tinkering with the live CD and I have really liked what I've seen so far so I wanted to start using is pretty regularly.  BTW, totally off topic, the Blonde on your CD sleeve is awesome.  Congrats on the pic. :)
[07:13] <Kamion> theine: yes
[07:13] <paolino> siretart, looks like freebsd is happy with that table,same for smartbootmanager....
[07:13] <cenerentola> heilin: never tried rune?
[07:14] <siretart> paolino: that doesn't matter, because different operating systems have different opinions what parts of the mbr are relevant
[07:14] <heilin> cenerentola: never :'(
[07:14] <heilin> I am too young to try everything :))
[07:15] <RomPres> Hi.
[07:15] <RomPres> I'm trying to add an lpd printer on an iMac and when I'm all done, there's no printer in the printers window.
[07:15] <RomPres> Thoughts?
[07:16] <RomPres> I know the queue exists on the server to which I am connecting.
[07:16] <RomPres> I tried going to CUPS, but it told me to go back to Gnome.
[07:19] <georgia> lo
[07:19] <Stepanova> Yo.
[07:20] <cenerentola> hi
[07:20] <RomPres> I guess not...
[07:20] <RomPres> I'll try the mailing list.
[07:23] <Stepanova> I'm a relative noob to Linux and I love Ubuntu and its philosophy. I'm just wondering why no one thought of this before!
[07:24] <thenuke> I am really getting enough of this localisation :D badblocks --help gives me help in swedish :D When my chosen language is finnish
[07:24] <mjr> About what? Doing an user-friendly Debian spinoff? They did ;)
[07:24] <thenuke> any other commands give their helps in english :)
[07:24] <mjr> Ubuntu is just the best of the crop so far :)
[07:25] <thenuke> how do I change the whole god damn language to english =)
[07:25] <mjr> thenuke, /etc/environment
[07:25] <Stepanova> Well, again, keeping in mind that I'm a noob, who tried it before and why didn't it work or catch on?
[07:25] <thenuke> thanks :)
[07:25] <thenuke> I hope that this will become better in the future ;)
[07:25] <mjr> there's also the Swedish fallback on the LANGUAGE line, that's deletable on its own too :)
[07:25] <thenuke> aah :) I'll try just to fallback to english
[07:25] <mjr> I've actually filed a bug on falling back to Swedish before English
[07:26] <thenuke> I dont understand why.. oh it's a bug :)
[07:26] <mjr> I hope Hoary doesn't do that by default anymore
[07:26] <mjr> well, I'm sure they did it quite on purpose, but I tried to explain why this is a Bad Idea, even though Swedish is an official language here
[07:27] <thenuke> can I activate root-account with passwd alone?
[07:27] <mjr> yes
[07:27] <sladen> thenuke: sudo passwd
[07:27] <sladen> thenuke: I don't recommend it, but that choice is in your hands if you want to
[07:31] <will_> hi ppl, got a question: whats the best way to configure your monitors refresh rate etc?
[07:33] <diesel> Is there a net install of ubuntu?  From my experience the cd install of ubuntu is COMPLETELY broken
[07:33] <sladen> will_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:33] <theine> diesel: is it?
[07:34] <sladen> diesel: can you describe the bugs you've come across and file them on the bugzilla if you've found them
[07:34] <will_> sladen:im using xorg, and there is no monitor bit when i run xserver-xorg
[07:34] <sladen> daniels: aren't you supposed to be at the pub?
[07:34] <daniels> sladen: leaving now
[07:34] <Djrom> daniels :o
[07:34] <diesel> theine, yes it is.
[07:34] <sladen> daniels: what's the xorg equivlant to change the refresh rate?
[07:35] <diesel> sladen, hmm, where to begin.
[07:35] <Djrom> have you read my pb ?
[07:35] <daniels> sladen: xrandr -r 60
[07:35] <Djrom> :(
[07:35] <Djrom> (i can't upgrade :'( )
[07:35] <theine> diesel: what exactly is broke? i'm just curious
[07:35] <sladen> will_: there you are
[07:35] <Djrom> ?
[07:35] <Djrom> daniels , i'm not alone with my refresh rate problem ?
[07:36] <will_> sladen: there is only gfx card config in there, no monitor specific config
[07:36] <daniels> Djrom: i don't know
[07:36] <sladen> diesel: start at the beginning, your experience seems to have differed to most people's experience---and we'd like to fix any problems you've found as in the future somebody else may have the same problem
[07:36] <Djrom> :'(
[07:36] <sladen> will_: did you see daniels' answeR?
[07:36] <diesel> First, I got the ubuntu installed so that I could reboot the system, then the computer froze at the point where the system clock was trying to set itself with the harware clock as reference.
[07:36] <thenuke> "*0   1280 x 1024   ( 322mm x 241mm )  *60" how do I allow higher refresh rates for that resolution?
[07:36] <marsjays> i'm having serious troubles installing ubuntu.. i keep getting these xfs related kernel panics
[07:37] <theine> diesel: really? that's bad
[07:37] <sladen> diesel: okay, so this first problem (hwclock) isn't anything to do with the installer?
[07:37] <sladen> marsjays: why are you using XFS?
[07:38] <marsjays> sladen: because i've used it before, and been happy with it. it's fast
[07:38] <diesel> Then I reformatted the HD, and the installer said that the kernel could not be installed.  There was missing dependencies.
[07:38] <sladen> thenuke: presubmly change the '60' to '75' or something
[07:38] <thenuke> sladen: well how :) xrandr wont do that because it says that 60 is max
[07:38] <sladen> marsjays: what hardware platform are you trying to use XFS on?
[07:38] <thenuke> I dont know where to edit those :)
[07:39] <diesel> sladen, you can say that it is not the installer, but until there is evidence that it is NOT the installer, I don't believe a word of that.
[07:39] <sladen> marsjays: maybe it is for that resolution.  you can often trade off resolution for higher refresh rates
[07:39] <cenerentola> daniels: im going to handle an ati card, what kind of drivers should i use?
[07:39] <will_> daniels: it cant be just this refreshrate? there must be more?  0   1280 x 1024   ( 322mm x 241mm )   60
[07:40] <theine> diesel: and that was
[07:40] <theine> diesel: sorry
[07:40] <will_> this screen can do more i think, (btw that was frox xrandr)
[07:40] <sladen> will_: alot of stuff is autodeteched
[07:40] <marsjays> sladen: i386, laptop with athlon xp-m cpu, via chipset
[07:40] <diesel> Now the installer is hung at reading all physical volumes.  This may take a while...  Yeah, well, I don't think to the tune of waiting for nearly 30 minutes.  The installer is BROKEN
[07:40] <will_> sladen: so everything from xrandr has been autodetected?
[07:40] <sladen> marsjays: can you research on Google is there's any known problems with the kernel-version you're running and XFS
[07:41] <theine> diesel: how did you remformatted your hard disk?
[07:41] <daniels> cenerentola: 'ati'
[07:41] <daniels> will_: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, remove your HorizSync and VertRefresh lines
[07:41] <theine> damn, my english is not in a good shape right now
[07:41] <cenerentola> daniels: thx a lot
[07:42] <marsjays> sladen: no, i cant.. i've got no browser installed, and when i try to install one the filesystem b0rks..
[07:42] <will_> daniels: i know i changed them once apon a time, is there any way to get them autodetected again?
[07:42] <sladen> diesel: I appreicate your view point.  You mentioned that the machine 'freezes', is that just for short period, or forever
[07:42] <diesel> theine, first I tried with the ubuntu installer...that did not do anything.  Then I used fdisk to reformat.  Then went back into the installer and tried again.  no luck.
[07:42] <daniels> will_: they should be autodetected in general
[07:42] <mirak> hi
[07:42] <diesel> sladen, freeze, locked up, does not work, will not change for hours on end...whatever you prefer
[07:42] <will_> daniels: but how do i re-autodetect for xorg.conf
[07:42] <sladen> diesel: so you can only solve this by a reboot?
[07:43] <daniels> will_: oh, ehm, remove /var/lib/xorg and /etc/X11/xorg.conf, IIRC
[07:43] <daniels> then dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg
[07:43] <diesel> sladen, yes...I smell something similar to windoze
[07:43] <daniels> i can't remember off the top of my head, and need to run
[07:43] <marsjays> sladen: well, i'll just assume there's something wrong with xfs in this kernel release, and reinstall using something else.. thanks anyway
[07:43] <diesel> The only solution is to reboot
[07:43] <sladen> diesel: if you start up in single-user mode and run   /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh start  manually, do you get a freeze at that point?
[07:44] <theine> diesel: isn't there an option ``use entire disk''? that doesn't work either?
[07:44] <sladen> marsjays: yeah, personally I'd use ext3 for your main boot/root partitions until you're sure things are working
[07:44] <diesel> sladen, start up?  To what point.  The computer will not start up unless I boot from the CD
[07:45] <sami_> hey someone who could help_
[07:45] <sami_> ?
[07:45] <wezzer> maybe
[07:45] <wezzer> tell us your problem
[07:45] <rodi> LOL, I can help
[07:45] <sladen> diesel: you mentioned that the kernel and operating system are loading until the point at which hwclock is run
[07:45] <rodi> Here, have some help...
[07:45] <theine> sladen: yes, but now he has more serious problems I figure
[07:45] <sladen> diesel: when you get to the Boot-loader, select the safe/rescue option
[07:46] <will_> daniles: is that safe?
[07:46] <diesel> sladen, that is the furthest point that I got to.  After reformatting the computer and trying the install again, the kernel could never get past that point
[07:46] <sami_> i never got a question about root password. rodi i was typing cant type that fast. so now when i try to su or something like that i cant
[07:46] <diesel> I should say the installer could never get the kernel installed
[07:46] <sladen> diesel: so the second time you've installed, the kernel never gets past /what/ point?
[07:46] <rodi> sami: sudo.
[07:46] <rodi> there is no root password by default,
[07:46] <will_> daniels, sorry is that safe?
[07:47] <rodi> so you have to use sudo instead: like this ->
[07:47] <rodi> sudo ls /root
[07:47] <diesel> sladen, trying to install linux-386, then there is dependency hell...I smell rpm packages
[07:47] <rodi> then it will ask for your password.
[07:47] <sladen> rodi: no, the root acount is disabled.  You should use    sudo command-you-want-to-run-as-root
[07:47] <rodi> if you want to do the equivalent of su on a non-sudo system, type
[07:47] <rodi> sudo su
[07:47] <rodi> but that sort of breaks the whole paradigm ;)
[07:48] <theine> diesel: what partitioning scheme did you choose?
[07:48] <rodi> sladen: isn't that what I just said?
[07:48] <sladen> diesel: Ubuntu is entirely deb based.  Can you provide the exact package you installed that is complaining of dependancy problems?
[07:48] <sami_> rodi: so theres no way to get su to work.. or so set password on root
[07:48] <paul_> hey, folks, I've botched up my Ubuntu system... again... by enabling the hoary universe and installing GTK+ 2.5 -- now I can't downgrade; when I remove the hoary repository from sources.list, fire up 'aptitude', and update the package database, it still shows that the only available version is 2.5 instead of 2.4
[07:48] <diesel> theine, I used automatic partitioning where there is a / and a swap
[07:48] <sladen> rodi: yes.  I believe "snap" is the normal term
[07:48] <Kamion> diesel: sounded more like DMA issues on the CD-ROM to me
[07:48] <paul_> any ideas why my database isn't updating to show only the available hoary packages.
[07:48] <theine> diesel: reasonable choice
[07:49] <rodi> sladen, ;)
[07:49] <rodi> oh snap, guess what I saw...
[07:49] <sami_> never mind.. im to tired.. fixed it now
[07:49] <diesel> sladen, I am aware of Ubuntu's debian foundation, but I have had much better luck with debian
[07:49] <theine> diesel: how many times did you try all together?
[07:49] <mirak> hey I have lost my gnome panels
[07:49] <paul_> sami_: you can get su to work; all you have to do is add a password to the root account in your favourite user manager (try Users and Groups in the System Configuration menu)
[07:49] <diesel> hell, 4-6 times
[07:50] <sladen> mirak: ctrl-alt-backspace will restart GDM and X
[07:50] <sladen> sabdfl: if you really want 'su' to work just run   sudo passwd   and enter a password
[07:50] <sladen> D'oh
[07:50] <sladen> _sami: if you really want 'su' to work just run   sudo passwd   and enter a password
[07:51] <mirak> sladen: yes, but that's recurrent
[07:51] <diesel> Kamion, I have md5sum(ed) the iso file and checked the cdrom for integrity.  Tell me what you mean by "DMA issues"
[07:51] <paul_> mirak: that happens to me every so often too... if you still have Nautilus running (i.e., you still have icons on your desktop) you can right-click on the desktop, choose 'Run terminal', then go 'killall gnome-panel' (without the quotation marks), and the panels will die... then GNOME will (should) automatically restart the panels.
[07:51] <sladen> mirak: 'recurrent', can you explain another way?
[07:51] <mirak> sladen: ctr alt backspace restart gdm also are you sure ?
[07:52] <paul_> mirak: so your panels always disappear?
[07:52] <mirak> paul_: fortunately I have a consol because it was savec in the last session
[07:52] <paul_> mirak: dandy :)
[07:52] <paul_> mirak: does this happen every time you start up your user session?
[07:53] <sladen> mirak: correct.  (this is assuming you hit  ctrl-alt-backspace and _not_ ctrl-alt-del)
[07:53] <mirak> paul_: the last two sessions yes
[07:53] <potato_head> is it possible to net install ubuntu from a live cd, like knoppix?
[07:54] <paul_> mirak: weird. maybe delete your ~/.gnome2/session file.
[07:54] <sladen> potato_head: I the Knoppix hd-install script amy work, don't know if anyone's tried it
[07:55] <paul_> mirak: if you have any programs that you've set to start up automatically (e.g., gaim, Skype, or a wallpaper changer), you'll lose those settings, but hopefully that's no big loss if you can get your panels back...
[07:55] <thenuke> how can this ubuntu use so much memory :I I have about 128megs free of my 512M
[07:55] <mirak> yes
[07:55] <mirak> no big loss
[07:55] <paul_> thenuke: have you tried other GNOME-based distros?
[07:55] <thenuke> and almost 100M swap is used also
[07:55] <thenuke> paul_: nope
[07:55] <thenuke> but even windows does not use this much =)
[07:55] <sladen> thenuke: same as any Linux kernel, it's all cacheing and shared pages
[07:56] <sladen> thenuke: nope point wasted unused memory if you can use it to cache other files on disk
[07:56] <thenuke> sladen: hum, any ways to make it not to cache everything :) And is that wise anyways :) ?
[07:56] <paul_> thenuke: one of the surprising things about the GNOME memory applet is that it doesn't just show the amount of memory each program is using; it also shows cached files (libraries, not-yet-saved documents, etc)
[07:56] <thenuke> ok
[07:56] <thenuke> I used top to show the mem
[07:56] <paul_> thenuke: ohhhhh
[07:57] <sladen> thenuke: if it needs the RAM to run programs, it'll use it.  It's not you're job to do memory-management for the linux kernel!
[07:57] <paul_> thenuke: maybe GNOME does the same thing as top then :)
[07:57] <mirak> is it possible to log off from gnome from command line ?
[07:57] <thenuke> I prefer to doing things in shell
[07:57] <thenuke> yeah
[07:57] <thenuke> sladen: :) I'm doing badblocks check, and it would be faster if I could offer it more memory to use I guess
[07:57] <paul_> so, folks, does anybody know why, when I remove hoary from my sources.list, and update my APT cache, it still shows hoary versions of things like glib?
[07:58] <diesel> Does Ubuntu have a net install disk?
[07:58] <IRCMonkey___> Hi
[07:58] <IRCMonkey___> Hi
[07:58] <paul_> diesel: not to my knowledge
[07:58] <mjr> apt cache shows both the available packages and currently installed packages
[07:58] <IRCMonkey___> to change configuration for mkboot disk
[07:58] <IRCMonkey___> I edit lilo.conf on the floppy
[07:58] <sladen> thenuke: no it wouldn't.  Hard-disks are slow devices, (10,000+ times slower than RAM).  A badblocks test to reading and writing to every sector on the harddisks
[07:58] <IRCMonkey___> then do lilo -C /mnt/floppy/lilo.conf ?
[07:58] <paul_> diesel: mind you, once you're finished doing the CD install, it automatically does a refresh from the net packages.
[07:59] <rodi> paul_, you're probably seeing installed versions.  Did you remove broken/local packages?
[07:59] <thenuke> sladen: I stand corrected
[07:59] <rodi> snap.
[07:59] <thenuke> btw, how do I empty a harddrive, like write zeros to it?
[08:00] <paul_> rodi: well, here's the situ... I installed Inkscape 0.40 in a fit of bleeding-edge obsession, and it installed glib 2.5 and GTK+ 2.5... now I don't even get a GDM greeter screen, just a little rotating hourglass
[08:00] <thenuke> with dd I think?
[08:00] <paul_> (rather, that little circly thing)
[08:00] <thenuke> hmm.. dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hd# :o ?
[08:00] <theine> thenuke: yes, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd*
[08:00] <sladen> thenuke: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/hdb bs=1M
[08:00] <albino> Is there anyway to do a net install of ubuntu?  Like off of a floppy disk?  If so what document can I read to perform said install?
[08:00] <thenuke> I'm learning to make good guesses :)
[08:00] <IRCMonkey___> any idea ??
[08:01] <diesel> paul_, mind you, the installer sucks and doesn't get to the point of "refresh(ing) from the net"
[08:01] <sladen> albino: there was a net-install somewhere
[08:01] <sladen> diesel: s/sucks/appears to exhibit bugs when talking to your machine/
[08:01] <paul_> rodi: I'm seeing two columns in aptitude; both say 2.5.6-0ubuntu -- in Synaptic (which of course is currently unavailable) the first column says what's installed, whereas the second column says what's available (even if its version is lower than the installed version)
[08:01] <thenuke> sladen: what is that blocksize for? just to make it faster or something?
[08:01] <paul_> diesel: ohhhhhhhhh... that's why you want a net install :)
[08:01] <diesel> sladen, true enough
[08:01] <diesel> paul_, exactly
[08:02] <paul_> diesel: where is your install bailing?
[08:02] <sladen> thenuke: yeah, just a speed thing.  It's worth trying to find the sweet spot with a few tests between 32k and 1M
[08:02] <diesel> paul_, see the last 10 or so screens for a description of all the different bugs that I have experienced
[08:02] <paul_> incidentally, has anyone had problems like mine when installing GTK+ 2.5? no GDM greeter?
[08:03] <paul_> diesel: blast, I'm in a console-mode IRC client and I don't know how to scroll :-S
[08:04] <thoreauputic> paul_: page up, probably
[08:04] <sladen> diesel: so far you've described 1 issue, to do with hwclock, right?
[08:04] <IRCMonkey___> no idea ?
[08:04] <paul_> diesel: found out how to scroll, but it looks like I joined the channel too late
[08:04] <paul_> thoreauputic: heh, thanks, found it
[08:04] <diesel> sladen, damn, I want to type out everything I have said.  Scroll up the page for about 3 more issues
[08:05] <paul_> so here's a question: if aptitude only shows the currently installed version, and I want to downgrade to my previous version -- how do I do that?
[08:05] <river> neweebe question, how can I setup dns, and/or dhcp in ubuntu ?
[08:05] <paul_> river: should be set up by default; what's your prob?
[08:05] <diesel> screw ubuntu, going back to good old Debian
[08:05] <thoreauputic> do a  /lastlog "nick"
[08:05] <paul_> oh, wait, you want to set up a DNS and DHCP *server*?
[08:05] <river> yes server.
[08:06] <paul_> river: have you installed bind and dhcpd?
[08:06] <paul_> that'll be your first steps
[08:06] <river> I don't know where to find packages
[08:06] <river> Yes but from where should I get packages?
[08:06] <river> I searched using apt and found nothing alike
[08:06] <thoreauputic> river: synaptic package manager
[08:06] <paul_> river: if you go to the second menu (forget what it's called; I'm stuck in console right now) you can find 'System configuration', 'Synaptic package manager' -- it's a great package manager.
[08:07] <theine> diesel: don't forget to tell everyone else what you think of Ubuntu
[08:07] <thoreauputic> river: enable universe
[08:07] <RuffianSoldier> exactly how many packages are in Universe?
[08:07] <thoreauputic> river: then reload
[08:07] <river> how should I do that ?
[08:08] <paul_> river: crap, forget what the menu item is. do you have Synaptic running now?
[08:08] <iz> river, edit with nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <Kamion> diesel: I'm referring to https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2640 (last three comments)
[08:08] <iz> and remove the #
[08:08] <river> I'm booting that machine right now
[08:08] <diesel> theine, I like the idea of ubuntu, just think that implementation is bad, really bad.
[08:08] <iz> diesel, what is bad?
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> really?
[08:09] <theine> diesel: too bad you don't get a chance to really try it out
[08:09] <paul_> diesel: haven't had any problems myself, until I step into unknown hoary territory :)
[08:09] <river> simple question, is bind on distro CD or should I get it through the net
[08:09] <paul_> river: it'll be on the net
[08:09] <Kamion> diesel: the CDs really aren't fundamentally broken; everybody would be seeing the same problems if they were.
[08:09] <diesel> iz, installer blows horribly, there is only iso's available.
[08:09] <Gwildor|work> huh?
[08:09] <iz> what do you want?
[08:09] <Kamion> diesel: false
[08:09] <Stepanova> My problem with Warty is that Grub trashes my dual-boot config. Hoary doesn't.
[08:09] <mirak> I couldn't fix gnome panels, I will run kde
[08:10] <Kamion> diesel: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/release/images/netboot/
[08:10] <iz> Stepanova, is it not otherwise?
[08:10] <river> paul_, thanks that throw some light
[08:10] <paul_> river: once you remove the # at the beginning of the line that mentions 'universe' in the file '/etc/apt/sources.list', and then reload your APT cache (big shiny button in Synaptic; you won't miss it), you'll be able to find it off the net.
[08:11] <Stepanova> Iz, I don't understand the question. On Warty, my XP installation isn't recognized by Warty's grub. It IS recognized by Hoary.
[08:11] <iz> or sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:11] <paul_> river: there's also an easier way of enabling different APT repositories in Synaptic, but I really can't remember anything, seeing as X is not working for me right now :-S
[08:11] <iz> Stepanova, thats weird
[08:11] <paul_> has anybody had any problems when upgrading to GTK+ 2.5? I just toasted my installation
[08:11] <Stepanova> It is weird.
[08:12] <diesel> Kamion, thank you.  315 people and you are the one that knows.  Kudos to you
[08:12] <paul_> can't get a GDM greeter or anything.
[08:12] <theine> Stepanova: then just copy your menu.lst from hoary to warty
[08:12] <Stepanova> That's what I did, eventually.
[08:12] <Kamion> diesel: well, I'm the installer guy, so I should know
[08:12] <iz> paul_ you are in a terminal now?
[08:12] <paul_> Kamion: wow, there is a net installer; I'll keep that in mind
[08:12] <theine> Stepanova: Didn't work?
[08:12] <paul_> iz: yep :(
[08:12] <diesel> don't tell me you're the installer, because I hate it
[08:12] <Kamion> diesel: it's just the Debian installer, dude :)
[08:13] <iz> and what is the error when you run gdm?
[08:13] <Kamion> (basically)
[08:13] <paul_> not an xterm, just a plain old text-mode
[08:13] <paul_> iz: let's see...
[08:13] <Stepanova> Yeah, it worked, but then I switched distros to Beatrix.
[08:13] <diesel> Yeah, but debian is great and so far, I can't stand ubuntu's installer
[08:13] <thoreauputic> diesel: erm...it's essentially the same as the debian sarge installer
[08:13] <Kamion> diesel: I was confused earlier by you asking for a netinst; that's the Debian terminology for a CD with the base system on it
[08:13] <Kamion> but netboot, sure
[08:13] <diesel> I know that it is basically the debian installer.  just pulling you're guys chain a bit
[08:14] <theine> diesel: but it's essentially the same installer (d-i)
[08:14] <theine> diesel: :)
[08:14] <Kamion> some poor-quality hardware does have trouble with CDs; we have netboot, next release we hope to have USB and floppy too (which is basically a matter of re-enabling those images from Debian and pulling them around a lot to match Ubuntu kernels and defaults and stuff)
[08:14] <paul_> iz: no errors, except for a few about not being able to find certain fonts
[08:15] <iz> paul_, can you paste the error in www.pastebin.com
[08:15] <paul_> iz: sure (I think)
[08:15] <paul_> iz: actually, can I just dump it into #flood?
[08:16] <paul_> iz: wait, how on earth do you copy-and-paste when you don't have X running? I don't have gpm installed either
[08:16] <Gwildor|work> hahahaha
[08:16] <iz> oh sjipz
[08:16] <thoreauputic> paul_: /exec -o cat <file>
[08:17] <thoreauputic> paul_: for example
[08:17] <paul_> thoreauputic, how do I then get it into pastebin? I'm hoping it has an upload form for people who can't paste?
[08:18] <iz> or type a peice of the error here
[08:18] <thoreauputic> paul_: um - maybe use links or lynx
[08:18] <paul_> doo dee doo... just waiting; found out I didn't have links installed
[08:19] <paul_> bloody 'ell, pastebin doesn't have an upload form for us copy-and-paste impaired
[08:20] <RuffianSoldier> You have been chosen Djrom
[08:20] <Gwildor|work> huh?
[08:21] <paul_> okay, iz, I'm gonna just type a bit of the error here :)
[08:21] <iz> paul_, k
[08:21] <thoreauputic> paul_: if you have a web site, ftp the error to that and give us a URL
[08:21] <paul_> Fatal server error: Server is already active for display :0
[08:21] <paul_> thoreauputic: a wonderful idea; one sec
[08:21] <iz> aha
[08:22] <Gwildor|work> I think you just ned to restart paul_
[08:22] <iz> you are root?
[08:22] <iz> sudo
[08:22] <paul_> http://cheesefish.net/gdmproblems.txt
[08:22] <nanomad> paul : ctrl+F7?
[08:22] <xeph> Hey all. I've got an ISDN problem. I've got two ISDN external modems, one is an 3Com USR ISDN Pro TA, the other is a no-name-brand one. On the 3Com, I connected to it via USB, and with the other via a serial cable. I used to get speeds of up to 7.5KBps on the 3Com one, but on my other one, only 6Kbps or lower. I have to return the 3Com one to a friend. How can I make the other ISDN TA reach the same speed as the 3Com one?
[08:22] <iz> and then killall gdm
[08:22] <wezzer> paul_: I think I had same problem
[08:22] <paul_> Gwildor|work: I had this problem once before, when I upgraded to GTK+ 2.5, which is exactly what I did this time when the problems started again
[08:23] <wezzer> I solved it by deleting whole gdm
[08:23] <Gwildor|work> paul_, I had that problem, a restart fixed it, but only cuz I was lost
[08:23] <thoreauputic> nanomad, paul_,  alt-F7 I think
[08:23] <iz> apt-get remove gdm
[08:23] <iz> apt-get install gdm :) but sounds weird
[08:23] <nanomad> right....
[08:23] <iz> thoreauputic, you thats can also be, that he is in x
[08:24] <paul_> nanomad, Gwildor|work, when I go control-alt-F7 I do get a lovey X console... but all I get is a dumb cursor
[08:24] <paul_> iz: okay, I'll try that, thanks!
[08:24] <nanomad> try ctrl+alt
[08:24] <thenuke> one more question about dd.. can I copy only one partition at time from HD to another?
[08:24] <iz> paul_, no
[08:24] <iz> your gdm is working
[08:24] <thenuke> like if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdc
[08:24] <nanomad> ...backspace
[08:25] <paul_> iz: ha, not anymore; I just uninstalled it... oops
[08:25] <iz> yup try alt ctrl backspace
[08:25] <iz> ohj no problem
[08:25] <iz> install it again
[08:25] <thoreauputic> paul_: that URL won't load here
[08:26] <paul_> thoreauputic: let me check it
[08:26] <thoreauputic> paul_: loading now
[08:26] <paul_> ah good
[08:27] <paul_> thoreauputic: I think my brother is downloading some illicit torrent on his computer, maybe that's why it's slow
[08:27] <paul_> I love firing up BitTorrent to download an ISO and knowing that I have no moral compunction... like downloading a Linux LiveCD or something :)
[08:28] <thoreauputic> paul_: I assume you've removed gdm now, so try  startx
[08:28] <mjr> thenuke, you must first create a big enough partition to hold the source partition manually, then you can dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdc1 or something
[08:28] <Quenyar> quick question about ubuntu linux setup
[08:28] <mjr> (or you could just mkfs and copy the data over...)
[08:28] <will_> azureus is a bit slow
[08:29] <thoreauputic> paul_: if the same error pops up, try killall X  or kill it from top
[08:29] <Quenyar> When installing, I was not prompted to set up a root account, is there a default root password?
[08:29] <wezzer> no there is not
[08:29] <Kamion> Quenyar: the first screen after the first reboot should've said that no root account would be set up and that your initial user would be set up to use sudo
[08:29] <wezzer> if you need root account, you can type sudo |command|
[08:29] <Kamion> Quenyar: see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:29] <wezzer> and the password which it asks is your own
[08:29] <zenwhen_> This channel is growing.
[08:29] <thenuke> mjr: seems like that =) It went all wrong and corrupted when I tried to do it without making a partition first ;)
[08:31] <paul_> thoreauputic: nothing. I tried startx, and it brought up my user account, but when I closed that down and tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart, it still did that stupd thing
[08:32] <paul_> thoreauputic, what happens is that it tries, and I see a 'please wait' mouse pointer, and it flashes a few times, and then I get dumped out to virtual console 8, where it informs me that there's already an X server running, and would I like to start on display :1
[08:32] <Gwildor|work> paul_, just restartr
[08:32] <paul_> when I say I do, it then sez there's a server on :1, and would I like to start one on :2, etc, etc, etc
[08:32] <Quenyar> thanks!
[08:32] <paul_> Gwildor|work: I'll try it. back in a bit...
[08:33] <thoreauputic> paul_: hmm...very odd
[08:33] <thoreauputic> paul_: did you try sudo killall X ?
[08:34] <Gwildor|work> thoreauputic, that didn't work when I had the problem, but he is restarting
[08:43] <mirak> hi
[08:43] <mirak> why is there a bind of /dev on /.dev type unknown (rw,bind)
[08:43] <mirak> ?
[08:43] <pdaoust> I'm back! (The User Formerly Known As paul_)
[08:44] <wezzer> hello
[08:44] <pdaoust> I upgraded gdm-2.6.0.3 to gdm-2.6.0.4 and that seemed to solve the problem. Thanks for all your help, guys!
[08:44] <thoreauputic> pdaoust: ah, good workaround :)
[08:44] <pdaoust> :) worked for me, so I'm happy.
[08:44] <thoreauputic> yep :)
[08:45] <iz> pdaoust, great
[08:45] <Kamion> mirak: udev keeps that for emergencies
[08:45] <pdaoust> the only thing I can think of is that gdm-2.6.0.3 was compiled against GTK+ 2.4 and was getting all huffy when it could only find GTK+ 2.5 -- don't know why that would make a difference, but hey, I'm back in X and I can look at lovely wallpapers of my girlfriend again ^_^
[08:46] <thoreauputic> pdaoust: you'll never get any work done now ! ;-)
[08:46] <pdaoust> thoreauputic: heh heh
[08:47] <mirak> anyone tried resizing of ext2 partitons ?
[08:47] <pdaoust> mirak: no, never have. Shouldn't bee too hard though, seeing as ext2 doesn't get fragmented. Why do you ask?
[08:48] <mirak> it seems qtparted does it
[08:48] <mirak> but I don't trust this software
[08:48] <mirak> I don't know why
[08:48] <pdaoust> mirak: yeah, when your data's at stake, you're not too keen on partitioning... same here.
[08:49] <pdaoust> mirak: are you shrinking a partition, expanding it, or moving it?
[08:49] <mirak> well actually, I have a temporary ext2 partition for home
[08:49] <mirak> I have free space
[08:50] <mirak> this free space is after my /
[08:50] <mirak> I want to make home start from there
[08:50] <mirak>  in fact I am converting 4 fat32 partion to one ext2
[08:50] <pdaoust> mirak: ohhhhhh
[08:50] <pdaoust> mirak: you'll just be deleting those partitions and making one big ext2?
[08:50] <mirak> so I will need more than one reisze
[08:50] <mirak> because they are not empty
[08:50] <mirak> yes
[08:51] <mirak> I need to delete first partion
[08:51] <pdaoust> mirak: ohhhhhhhhh
[08:51] <mirak> then create ext2
[08:51] <pdaoust> mirak: that scares me
[08:51] <pdaoust> might want to find a friend with PartitionMagic...
[08:51] <mirak> then move the data of second one to the ext2
[08:51] <will_> jez i gotta major bug in 'themes' in hoary
[08:51] <mirak> then delete the second, and expend ext2
[08:51] <mirak> pdaoust: pmagic can't really be more trusted for linux fs
[08:52] <pdaoust> mirak: perhaps not; dunno
[08:52] <pdaoust> wish I could give more certain advice, but that's way outside my area of jurisdiction.
[08:52] <pdaoust> sorry, area of expertise.
[08:52] <pdaoust> don't know why I said 'jurisdiction
[08:52] <mirak> I will do like I always do
[08:52] <mirak> cross fringers (and not pray)
[08:53] <pdaoust> :) even if you don't believe in a god, now might be the time to pray anyway, heh heh
[08:53] <mirak> I wil put my home on a safe place
[08:53] <mirak> that's 1.5G when comrpessed
[08:57] <[BTM] gee> where can i find the old version of ventrilo?
[08:58] <pepsi__> ubuntu is about describing a bad date
[08:58] <pepsi__> warty, hoary, and grumpy
[08:58] <pdaoust> har har har
[08:58] <pdaoust> different kind of hoary ;)
[08:58] <pepsi__> shhh
[08:58] <pdaoust> [BTM] gee: never heard of ventrilo
[08:58] <[BTM] gee> heh
[08:58] <diesel> Using the net install, I finally got Ubuntu to get back to "Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference" where it freezes.  Any ideas of what to do next?
[08:58] <pdaoust> pepsi__: sorry, ruining your joke; I'll shut up :)
[08:59] <diesel> sladen, ^^^
[08:59] <[BTM] gee> its a program so that you can talk to your friends when playing a game etc
[09:01] <pepsi__> diesel, can you boot at all?
[09:01] <diesel> I can boot into my Windoze partition from grub.
[09:02] <diesel> However, I cannot boot into Ubuntu.  Completely frozen.
[09:02] <pepsi__> what kind of motherboard are you using?
[09:03] <diesel> intel i819 i believe
[09:03] <jono> procmail or can a user use procmail to sort their email from an external MTA?
[09:03] <jono> oops
[09:03] <jono> do you have to have a MTA running on the same machine as procmail to use procmail or can a user use procmail to sort their email from an external MTA?
[09:03] <gumpish> So, ubuntu... is it good or is it whack?
[09:04] <jono> gumpish, its shit, none of us use it
[09:04] <Treenaks> gumpish: Wickity Wack!
[09:04] <|QuaD|> whack
[09:04] <|QuaD|> haha
[09:04] <jono> particularly people like jdub and Kamion
[09:04] <|QuaD|> it has its plusses and minuses
[09:04] <jono> they hate it
[09:04] <jono> :P
[09:04] <thoreauputic> gumpish: all 313 of us are here to troll about how bad it is
[09:05] <jono> heh
[09:05] <potato_head> diesel: you could have a go at beatrix, see if that manages to boot.
[09:05] <gldnfire> hey, all
[09:05] <gumpish> heh
[09:06] <diesel> what the heck is beatrix?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> gumpish: /join #linspire (if you can find one) ;-)
[09:06] <Gwildor|work>  /join #beatrix
[09:06] <gldnfire> anybody got a minute to help me with an installation problem on an insanely-low-memory machine?
[09:06] <Gwildor|work> diesel, go to there an ask.......DEV is in there
[09:07] <[BTM] gee> someone that uses ventrilo?
[09:07] <potato_head> diesel: dunno, I'm just googling it now ;-) some kind of ubuntu in a live cd
[09:07] <pepsi__> who can think of a word? im looking to describe cinderella... i want to say that she is repressed or dejected, but im not liking either of those two words
[09:07] <thoreauputic> gldnfire: a minute? Sounds optimistic !
[09:07] <will_> anyone know about an error i get on shutdown? i get: gmentation fault   [FAIL] 
[09:07] <Gwildor|work> potato_head, go to #beatrix, the DEv is in ther now.....ask away
[09:07] <pepsi__> will_, i get the same thing
[09:07] <pepsi__> hoary?
[09:07] <gldnfire> thor: oh, undoubtedly...I say only a minute, 'cause I suspect the only answer involves buying memory/parts I don't have money for :)
[09:08] <thoreauputic> gldnfire: heh
[09:08] <thoreauputic> gldnfire: define "insanely low memory" ?
[09:09] <gldnfire> long story short, I have to turn swap on, to get the installation to not choke...the disk is already partitionned 9so that I can do so) but it won't let me install the base system until I tell IT to partition the disk...which turns swap off
[09:09] <will_> pepsi__:i never used to have that are you running hoary?
[09:09] <gldnfire> 32 MB of which 2 is used for the video card (damn laptops)
[09:09] <pepsi__> will_, yes, i am
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[09:09] <RuffianSoldier> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[09:10] <will_> pepsi__:you heard anything on it? a search in google brings nothing!
[09:11] <pepsi__> will_, nope.. im having other problems with hoary that i need to get fixed, so i havent really paid attention to that error
[09:11] <pepsi__> actually, my problems arent all related to hoary.. its more about making linux work on this laptop
[09:11] <tyl> hello
[09:11] <pepsi__> but they are more important then a segfault at shutdown ;D
[09:12] <will_> pepsi__:tell me about it, my themes are absolutely destroyed in hoary, crashes all over the place
[09:12] <pepsi__> my trash applet and desktop seem to have just disappeared
[09:12] <pepsi__> fun
[09:12] <will_> pepsi__:thats happended to me, restart x and it should be back
[09:13] <gldnfire> thor: I am thinking, since the disk is already partiionned, that if I can just tell the installer that /dev/hda6 is / and /dev/hda1 is /boot I shouldn't even need to aprtition, and it'll stopp turning my swap off...but I don't know where the installer expects target partitions to be mounted, or if it has some internal checks beyond simply having htem mounted...
[09:13] <will_> pepsi__:or manually start the applet
[09:13] <tyl> hey all :)
[09:13] <oling> i installed ubuntu and i cannot remember that i was asked for a root password. so i couldn't login. i changed it from a cd linux and now i can login at the console, but not in X (and System Configuration tools also don't work). this is strange
[09:14] <thoreauputic_> gldnfire: sorry, ISP disconnect :(
[09:14] <gldnfire> thor: ah, it happens...lemme re-say what I had just finished, right before you came back :)
[09:14] <RomPres> Does anyone have any idea why I can't set up a printer using the printer utility?  I'm running Ubuntu on a Mac.
[09:14] <RomPres> I've tried both lpd and ipp.
[09:14] <gldnfire> I am thinking, since the disk is already partiionned, that if I can just tell the installer that /dev/hda6 is / and /dev/hda1 is /boot I shouldn't even need to aprtition, and it'll stopp turning my swap off...but I don't know where the installer expects target partitions to be mounted, or if it has some internal checks beyond simply having htem mounted...
[09:15] <RomPres> When I'm done, no printer is there in the window.
[09:15] <RomPres> And the CUPS interface is disbled.
[09:15] <topyli> oling: as you install ubuntu, you are not asked for a root password. root is disabled. log in as the user you made when you installed
[09:16] <oling> topyli: and how to run any admin tool?
[09:16] <pepsi__> sudo
[09:16] <topyli> with sudo
[09:16] <topyli> "sudo admin-tool"
[09:17] <oling> but if i start admin-tool from the gnome menu i'm asked for the password? my user login password?
[09:17] <topyli> yes
[09:18] <oling> okay... it says please enter YOUR password. but i'm used to enter root password on other distributions... :-)
[09:18] <oling> thanks
[09:19] <topyli> oling: it's just another way of doing things. i haven't been root for years on any distro :)
[09:19] <oling> topyli: i like it this way
[09:19] <topyli> oling: yes, it's safer
[09:20] <oling> topyli: how do i disable root again?
[09:21] <Kamion> gldnfire: the installer expects them in /target; you will have to go through the partitioner to satisfy the installer's internal dependencies, but you should be able to just go through it without doing anything
[09:21] <thoreauputic> gldnfire: you're just being  ignored as a whiny luser ;) But seriously, I would assume the installer lets you define where your / pertition should be mounted
[09:21] <topyli> oling: uhhh... wait a moment, i just did it (enabled and re-disabled root because i needed root for installing webmin)
[09:21] <gldnfire> kam: when I select it, the pgress bar gets to about 35%, then dumps me back to the main menu...I'm assuming due to lack of memory
[09:22] <oling> topyli: i mean i just can edit shadow, but is there a better way?
[09:22] <Kamion> gldnfire: very surprised it turns off swap
[09:22] <topyli> oling: sudo passwd -l root
[09:22] <Kamion> gldnfire: (more than transiently)
[09:22] <Kamion> gldnfire: unfortunately I have to go now so I can't stay and debug
[09:22] <gldnfire> kam: it probably does, since swap is on the only disk in the machine...I imagine the idea of fdisk'ing (or equivalent) a machine that has an actrive swap partition is...scary :)
[09:23] <oling> has any user sudo rights on ubuntu
[09:23] <oling> ?
[09:23] <topyli> oling: no, just the first user you make
[09:24] <topyli> oling: you should study man sudo and man sudoers. you can tweak sudo pretty much
[09:24] <Kamion> gldnfire: oh, yeah, indeed
[09:25] <oling> topyli: i would like to figure out, how i can add another admin (sudo enabled) user account over the GUI
[09:26] <thoreauputic> oling: using visudo
[09:26] <topyli> oling: look at /etc/sudoers and see what it says about you. then use visudo to add another like it
[09:26] <oling> come on, you don't want to tell a novice to use vi... :-)
[09:27] <oling> topyli: i know a little bit about sudo, no problem
[09:27] <pepsi__> nano
[09:27] <oling> but how to explain it to a novice?
[09:27] <topyli> oling: visudo is just a wrapper, i think it uses $EDITOR
[09:27] <thoreauputic> oling: you don't have to - you can use eg nano
[09:27] <oling> yes, but default is vi
[09:27] <gldnfire> so, is there any way to tweak the installer to make it realise the disk is already aprtionned, since I don't have the memory to start the partionner...or do I need to go sink the $$$ into memory for this beast?
[09:27] <pepsi__> gldnfire, as i remember, yes
[09:27] <oling> so where is the GUI option :-)))
[09:28] <topyli> oling: you do have a point there. we want gnome-visudo :)
[09:28] <pepsi__> theres a way to setup the partitions yourself
[09:28] <thoreauputic> EDITOR=nano; nano /etc/sudoers
[09:28] <gldnfire> pepsi: from what little docs I found, it looked like I had to at least get into the partionner first, to select that option...
[09:28] <thoreauputic> oops
[09:29] <thoreauputic> EDITOR=nano ; visudo (maybe?)
[09:29] <pepsi__> so go into the partitioner
[09:29] <pepsi__> just dont modify anything
[09:29] <oling> thoreauputic: didn't try but i would do "apt-get install feta", "feta alternatives editor"
[09:29] <gldnfire> pepsi: I can't *get* into the partitioner, that's the whole problem!
[09:29] <pepsi__> ah
[09:29] <pepsi__> i see
[09:29] <pepsi__> memory
[09:29] <gldnfire> right
[09:29] <topyli> oling: it's not really user-space stuff. but with distros like ubuntu and others trying to be newbie-friendly, a gui option might be in order. dunno, it's a philosophical question =)
[09:30] <oling> no feta!!!! arghhhh
[09:30] <topyli> oling: i'd use wajig instead :)
[09:30] <topyli> it has a gui too =)
[09:30] <oling> topyli: tried it long time ago, preferd feta... i will look into it
[09:31] <topyli> feta is a package management tool. wajig does more
[09:32] <thoreauputic> it's quite possible to just do sudo nano /etc/sudoers - just not recommended
[09:32] <gldnfire> I'm guessing the oh-so-poignant silence means I'm going to have to scrape up the money to put more memory into my beast of a laptop...darnitall
[09:32] <thoreauputic> or sudo gedit /etc/sudoers or whatever
[09:32] <pepsi__> gldnfire, probably :(
[09:32] <topyli> oling: btw, wajig is firmly allied with sudo. basically it lets you do admin stuff via sudo. start/stop services, edit root-owned files, install packages...
[09:33] <topyli> thoreauputic: i certainly wouldn't recommend it
[09:33] <pepsi__> 30M of ram really isnt a lot yo
[09:33] <pepsi__> :P
[09:33] <gldnfire> I know...it's just that I was given this laptop, and don't want to sink money into it...mostly 'cause I'm rather strapped for cash atm
[09:34] <RuffianSoldier> who here would like to use Ubuntu on a diet?
[09:34] <thoreauputic> topyli: well, neither did I - I just know it is possible since I've done it :)
[09:34] <oling> topyli: reading the wajig website. it seems you can do everything with this tool, changed a lot since the last time i tried it...
[09:34] <Treenaks> RuffianSoldier: ubuntu on a diet? you mean debian?
[09:34] <topyli> thoreauputic: sure :)
[09:34] <topyli> oling: that's right
[09:34] <RuffianSoldier> Treenaks, no, I mean BeatrIX
[09:34] <gldnfire> ah, well, time to go dig through the compaw website, to see if I can find out the part number for the RAM I need, without having to pay them triple it's price to install the stuff
[09:35] <topyli> oling: and it has a gtk gui called gjig :)
[09:35] <thoreauputic> gldnfire: at the risk of heresy - have you considered using something *really* small like DamnSmallLinux? It can be hard-drive installed
[09:35] <topyli> gldnfire: or vector
[09:36] <gldnfire> top: vector? that one I hadn't heard of before
[09:36] <RuffianSoldier> Vector rocks
[09:36] <topyli> it's a real desktop distro, but very light
[09:36] <gldnfire> based on slackware? le sigh
[09:36] <topyli> yes
[09:36] <thoreauputic> gldnfire: yes, vector is great
[09:37] <gldnfire> aw, darn it..."expects target partitions to be mounted, or if it has some internal checks beyond simply having htem mounted...
[09:37] <gldnfire> "Easy on your system resources, should run fine with a minimum of 32mb of ram"
[09:37] <gldnfire> that was!
[09:37] <topyli> ah, too fat?
[09:38] <gldnfire> by the 2 megs used as my freaking video memory
[09:38] <pepsi__> i wouldnt think 2 megs would make or break you
[09:38] <topyli> grr
[09:38] <aaroncuk> hi all
[09:38] <gldnfire> ubuntu claims to be ok with 32 megs, as well
[09:38] <aaroncuk> how can i stop x loading when i boot my pc, im using it as a server and dont need x
[09:38] <gumpish> Uhm - is it just me or did I just install warty without being prompted to choose a root password?
[09:39] <topyli> gldnfire: you could see if vector makes it, and if not, do damnsmall
[09:39] <pepsi__> gumpish, you are correct
[09:39] <gumpish> aaroncuk: You can add a "3" to the arguments to the kernel
[09:39] <ogra> gumpish: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:39] <gumpish> oh jesus
[09:39] <gumpish> all sudo huh?
[09:39] <gldnfire> top: I think I'll start burning these to re-writables, rather than rwitables...I'm using up too many disks! :)
[09:39] <pepsi__> gumpish, set a root password if you want
[09:39] <aaroncuk> what does that mean gumpish lol
[09:39] <pepsi__> its just not default
[09:39] <gumpish> w00t.
[09:39] <ogra> gumpish: read it ;)
[09:39] <topyli> gumpish: don't worry, it does work
[09:39] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk:  echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager
[09:40] <ogra> gumpish: its a cool concept if you once got used to it
[09:40] <aaroncuk> do i need to add that line somewhere?
[09:41] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: you just run that command - actually prepend it with sudo
[09:41] <aaroncuk> cool, just done that, rebooting now
[09:41] <thoreauputic> no need to reboot!
[09:41] <topyli> gumpish: i've been doing it for ages. it's nice to see a distro do it by default :)
[09:42] <thoreauputic> just kill X with ctrl-alt-backspace should do it
[09:42] <aaroncuk> im assuming i just need to type x to load it once i have logged into teh terminal
[09:42] <Gwildor|work> startx
[09:42] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: startx to start x :)
[09:42] <Gwildor|work> but I think it does it automagically.............sometimes for me
[09:42] <thenuke> ogra: beg my pardon :D
[09:42] <mirak> damn
[09:43] <mirak> I got hardware failures
[09:43] <ogra> thenuke: hehe
[09:43] <mirak> can bad hardrive causes system hangs ?
[09:43] <aaroncuk> hmm, trouble is it doesnt want to load x now lol
[09:43] <thenuke> mirak: I would bet on that
[09:43] <aaroncuk> well it does my the screen is all messed up
[09:43] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: do you have a ~/.xsession file?
[09:43] <thenuke> mirak: bad memory causes mos often that kind of problems I think
[09:44] <aaroncuk> and bad cpus
[09:44] <bencer> hi ppl
[09:44] <mirak> the failure is vertical colored lines
[09:44] <mirak> on the screen
[09:44] <pepsi__> how pretty
[09:44] <aaroncuk> i had a bad athlon caused system hangs every few minutes
[09:45] <bencer> do u know if there are hoary cd images ?
[09:45] <Gwildor|work> nope
[09:45] <aaroncuk> its working now thoreauputic
[09:46] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: ah, good :)
[09:46] <topyli> what's a good simple irc bot for iding on a channel and handing out ops for certain users?
[09:47] <aaroncuk> still goes wierd when it first loads but it sorts itself out lol
[09:48] <topyli> aaroncuk: once you have a sane gnome session up, you can save it and it'll be good forever :)
[09:48] <topyli> fingers crossed of course
[09:48] <potato_head> Is there any idea how much ubuntu has cost to develop?
[09:49] <Gwildor|work> I think over 10 mil so far
[09:49] <potato_head> 10 mil rand?
[09:49] <topyli> potato_head: billions of debian volunteers' money, and some from canonical of course =)
[09:52] <confrey> hi everybody
[09:52] <thoreauputic> Greetings, confrey, :)
[09:53] <piller> mdz: hi, xpdf segfault bug #3135 has happened again on my amd64 box
[09:54] <gumpish> hmmm, how do I mount samba shares? mount -t smbfs //host/share /mnt/mountpoint ?
[09:54] <confrey> I need a little help : I have configured fonts resolution in gnome at 75dpi, to have small fonts in application; but other gtk apps like xmms have big fonts in their dialog windows; how can I reduce fonts resolution about?
[09:54] <confrey> gumpish, yes
[09:55] <gumpish> no worky =( "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on host, or too many mounted file systems" -- Gee, thanks for narrowing it down there, mount authors...
[09:55] <gumpish> May as well have said "Sorry! Unable to mount!"
[09:56] <gumpish> At least then I'd be getting an apology.
[09:57] <jimi> hi there
[09:57] <aaroncuk> hey im having trouble getting my server to power off, it just say acpi power off called but doesnt shut down, acpi is enabled in bios
[09:57] <thoreauputic> gumpish: heh... this is *nix - no apologies!
[09:57] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:57] <jimi> gsfonts-x11 package is needed for flash plugin to work. Is this package now installed with ubuntu base install?
[09:57] <jimi> or i open a bug?
[09:57] <[BTM] gee> is there any program that you can use to talk to other while playing in ubuntu, like ventrilo,skype ?
[09:58] <gumpish> sort of like "there's no crying in baseball" huh?
[09:58] <ogra> confrey: sudo apt-get install gtk-theme-switch
[09:58] <confrey> ogra : thanks
[09:58] <ogra> confrey: and then use the "switch" command i think
[09:59] <thoreauputic> gumpish: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/dil-unix.gif
[09:59] <thoreauputic> :)
[09:59] <ogra> confrey: but you can only adjust the fontsize, not the resolution.....
[09:59] <Br|ce> hi folks
[09:59] <aaroncuk> any ideas anyone
[09:59] <confrey> jimi, I don't know, you can see it by this : dpkg -l gsfonts* | grep ii
[09:59] <jimi> thanx for the command
[09:59] <confrey> ogra : it's what I need, thanks
[09:59] <Br|ce> anyone could tell me where I can find a list of mirrors for my new ubuntu's sources.list ?
[10:00] <jimi> but i know it was not installed on my version
[10:00] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: try typing  apm  in the /etc/modules file
[10:00] <jimi> it may be on earlier
[10:00] <cenerentola> sladen: have you got 1 sec for me?
[10:00] <gumpish> Isn't mount -t smbfs supposed to call some other binary?
[10:00] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: on a separate line, of course
[10:00] <Br|ce> (I must add I'm new to ubuntu and currently under console mode)
[10:01] <ogra> gumpish: did you try nautilus ? (the connect to server dialog)
[10:03] <potato_head> I'm trying to use ndiswrapper to get wireless networking working, but when I try to 'modprobe ndiswrapper', it fails and 'loadndisdriver: main(527): version 0.11 doesn't match driver version 0.10' comes up in syslog. I'm lost. Help!
[10:04] <potato_head> (I've updated to hoary from warty to get a later version of ndiswrapper that works with my wlan adaptor)
[10:04] <confrey> can I use firefox in Italian language?
[10:04] <aaroncuk> ./etc/modules is not a dir
[10:05] <gumpish> ogra: I put in the info and an empty window has opened with an apparently unending spinner cursor/throbber. Never got prompted for my password either...
[10:05] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: /etc/modules (no .)
[10:05] <aaroncuk> got it, theres a file called modules
[10:06] <thoreauputic> right
[10:06] <aaroncuk> added apm to it
[10:06] <aaroncuk> gonna reboot
[10:07] <confrey> aaroncuk : you don't need to rebbot, yopu can simply give a modprobe apm
[10:07] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: sudo modprobe apm
[10:07] <aaroncuk> im a total newbie lol
[10:08] <aaroncuk> well that didnt work lol, still gets stuck on acpi_power_off called
[10:08] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: just type what I said above :)
[10:08] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: did that command give any errors?
[10:08] <aaroncuk> just waiting for pc to reboot, then i will run it
[10:09] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: when it reboots, the command lsmod should show apm in the list it outputs
[10:10] <aaroncuk> error inserting apm /lib/modules...../apm.ko no such device
[10:10] <thoreauputic> hmm... very odd not to have apm in there ...
[10:11] <aaroncuk> shall i apt-get install apmd ??
[10:11] <thoreauputic> maybe it's a 2.6.* kernel thing, I don't know...
[10:12] <aaroncuk> or libapm1
[10:12] <pepsi__> awesome, now the weather report applet died :D
[10:12] <thenuke> is it good or bad idea to recompile the kernel?
[10:12] <thenuke> or just not worth of it
[10:12] <thoreauputic> thenuke: if you need to ask, don't ;)
[10:12] <ogra> aaroncuk: i think you first need to unload the acpi module to get the apm one to work....
[10:12] <aaroncuk> how do i do that
[10:13] <aaroncuk> sorry for the annoying questions, very new to all this
[10:13] <thenuke> thoreauputic: well, there are the configs already, I could drop out things which I know I dont need
[10:13] <ogra> thenuke: its not worth it execpt you urgently need a feature that isnt already in there
[10:13] <thenuke> ogra: all right
[10:13] <dkuyk> how do enable samba in ubuntu (i want to make my /home/ dir shared)
[10:13] <confrey> why can't I write as user on my usb SD?
[10:14] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: sudo rmmod acpi,  should do it
[10:14] <ogra> aaroncuk: i'm not sure if: sudo rmmod acpi  could work, probably not because others depend on it
[10:15] <aaroncuk> it says module acpi does not exist in proc/modules
[10:15] <thoreauputic> ogra: maybe an append in the boot loader?  noacpi or something?
[10:15] <ogra> thoreauputic: yep
[10:15] <edulix> hello !
[10:15] <edulix> I'm having problems with ubuntu installation
[10:16] <pepsi__> edulix, ok
[10:16] <edulix> I've installed it in /dev/hdb1. that partition is booteable,
[10:16] <pepsi__> whats wrong with hda? it have another os on it or something?
[10:17] <aaroncuk> this is annoying i need to be able to turn it off lol
[10:17] <edulix> when it ask me about where to install grub, where should I tell him ? (hd1) ? /dev/hdb5 (sorry, it was (dev/hdb5 not /dev/hda1) ?
[10:17] <edulix> pepsi__: yeah, I just want to install it in my second HD
[10:17] <ogra> aaroncuk: for a test, press escape on boot and then "e"  you can edit the kernel line ....
[10:17] <egli> dkuyk, have you tried http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[10:18] <ogra> aaroncuk: add the word: noacpi
[10:18] <mako> if you will be in mataro, now is the time to sign up for the keysigning
[10:18] <edulix> pepsi__: the problem is that when ubuntu reboots to base system, I get prompted "grub> " !
[10:18] <ogra> aaroncuk: space separated behind the word "splash"
[10:18] <ogra> aaroncuk: then press b to boot.....
[10:19] <edulix> BTW, I used reiserfs for that partition, could that be the problem..?
[10:19] <karakth> Anyone here interested in wearable computers?
[10:19] <ogra> mako: i already sent my data, but i'm not sure if everything is correct.....i sent my public key, fingerprint and key id is that enough ?
[10:20] <edulix> karakth: if they're cheap.. hehe
[10:20] <edulix> pepsi__: ?
[10:22] <karakth> edulix: I mean self-built
[10:23] <aaroncuk> done that ogra
[10:24] <ogra> aaroncuk: now load the apm module with the command thoreauputic gave you
[10:25] <gumpish> Does anyone here actually have a samba volume mounted as we speak?
[10:25] <ogra> gumpish: wait a sec.....
[10:25] <ogra> gumpish: now .... yes
[10:25] <gumpish> =p
[10:25] <aaroncuk> same error
[10:26] <ogra> aaroncuk: hmm
[10:26] <mako> ogra: when did you send it?
[10:27] <ogra> mako: just recieved your "semi" autoreply :)
[10:27] <confrey> why can't I write as user on my usb SD?
[10:28] <oling> how can i create a /dev/net/tun device?
[10:28] <brazza> oling, what perm has the device?
[10:28] <ogra> mako: but there seems a additional key form my keyring in there could this cause probs ?
[10:28] <oling> brazza: what do you mean?
[10:28] <ogra> <----- not used to gpg at all, but wannabe dev :)
[10:28] <oling> brazza: there is no /dev/net/tun
[10:29] <brazza> oling, u said u can;t write as user so i'm think it's a permision problem
[10:29] <aaroncuk> right i will be back in half an hour ogra, thanks for ur help so far
[10:29] <oling> brazza: no, it's just not there
[10:29] <thoreauputic> brazza: I think that was confrey :)
[10:29] <brazza> haven't been writing to a sd yet, will soon with my nokia
[10:29] <ogra> aaroncuk: k
[10:30] <thoreauputic> brazza: <confrey> why can't I write as user on my usb SD?
[10:30] <brazza> what do u mean?
[10:30] <masTinoX> hello
[10:30] <oling> i guess i have to install tun/tap module. how can i do this? (i used modconf in debian,...
[10:32] <XhyldazhK> hiall
[10:32] <oling> okay... after "modprobe tun" it works, but how to load the tun module permanently?
[10:32] <XhyldazhK> where do i get sources for 2.6.8.1 kernel?
[10:32] <thoreauputic> oling: put it in /etc/modules
[10:33] <XhyldazhK> that package isnt in synaptic
[10:33] <masTinoX>   i wondered how this distro is, have worked with debian I am reading that it is debian based. does it have an grafiaca
[10:33] <oling> thoreauputic: no gui tool ;-))
[10:33] <oling> do you know if modconf is save to use?
[10:33] <masTinoX> sorry grafical interface
[10:33] <thoreauputic> oling: sudo gedit /etc/modules  :))
[10:33] <XhyldazhK> hey where do i get sources for 2.6.8.1 kernel?
[10:34] <thoreauputic> oling: that's GUI !
[10:34] <oling> thoreauputic: thats text mode!!!! :-))))
[10:35] <thoreauputic> oling: oh dear, and it will take 2 seconds to do!
[10:35] <confrey> thoreauputic, I have a USB card reader, I use with it a 256 MB SD, I can view its contents, but I can't write files on it as user, only as root
[10:35] <oling> thoreauputic: if you know how to do... :-)
[10:36] <ogra> XhyldazhK: what do you plan to do ? if you only want to compile a single module you only need the linux-headers package.... else look for linux-source, but there should normally be no need to compile the kernel yourself
[10:36] <thoreauputic> oling: just type tun on a separate line at the bottom of the /etc/modules file and save it :)
[10:36] <oling> thoreauputic: i'm just imagine i were a novice linux user..,
[10:37] <ogra> oling: will a novice user care about tunneling ?
[10:37] <oling> thoreauputic: no, but about loading modules?
[10:37] <mjr> no, he doesn't
[10:38] <mjr> he shouldn't have to know about these module thingies at all
[10:38] <thoreauputic> oling: if you put it there it should load on boot...
[10:38] <ogra> oling: the common ones are loaded automatically.... i would consider someone wo wants to set up a tunnel at least an advanced user :)
[10:38] <mjr> if he has to, that's a bug
[10:38] <mjr> and what ogra said
[10:38] <oling> okay... i'm an advanced user...
[10:38] <ogra> yup ;)
[10:38] <oling> the first thing i did was "sudo su -"
[10:39] <thoreauputic> hehe
[10:39] <confrey> ogra, gtk-theme-switch doesn'y work as I want, it can only change the gtk theme, but I can't modify fonts size with it
[10:39] <confrey> thoreauputic, I have a USB card reader, I use with it a 256 MB SD, I can view its contents, but I can't write files on it as user, only as root
[10:40] <thoreauputic> confrey: I'm not up on USB  stuff - maybe someone else can help you
[10:40] <thoreauputic> confrey: it's probably just a matter of changing the permissions on the device
[10:40] <sval> cona
[10:41] <sval> confrey, just mount the device with the user mount option
[10:42] <oling> there is no WPA in ubuntu? (never used wireless with in linux, i'm not that advanced)
[10:42] <confrey> sval : the device mount's itself while attaching to usb cable,
[10:42] <Treenaks> most drivers I know don't do wpa :(
[10:43] <mead> is it listed in your fstab?
[10:44] <ogra> confrey: hoary or warty ?
[10:44] <confrey> mead : no, I haven't it in fstab; but when I attach it, gnome mounts it on /media/sda1, the dir /media/sda1 is mine, not of root
[10:44] <confrey> ogra : warty
[10:44] <ogra> confrey: is this the first user, created on install ?
[10:45] <confrey> ogra : yes
[10:45] <oling> ubuntu is great. the first linux installation that i really like as desktop OS. i would say it's much easier to install than windows.
[10:46] <ogra> confrey: hmm, should work by default....
[10:46] <mead> anyone have any links to how to setup 32bit libs in 64bit ubuntu?
[10:47] <oling> anyone here who uses ubuntu for audio stuff? (low latency, ardour, jackd, pd)
[10:47] <confrey> ogra, I don't understand, the device /dev/sda1 is of root.plugdev and I am plugdev's user; the permission is ok : rw-rw----
[10:47] <sval> confrey, try to add user=yourlogin in thr options of the usbfs line in /etc/mtab
[10:48] <confrey> sval : ok, thanks
[10:49] <confrey> oling, I have that scope, I'm a musician, do you know how to use that apps, in other distros?
[10:49] <edulix> hey, I still get prompted the "grub >"
[10:49] <oling> confrey: i'm using pd and know jack, tried ardour
[10:49] <aitrus> how do i find the temp my proc is running at?
[10:50] <edulix> someone could help me on vthis ? :|
[10:50] <confrey> sval, I have this line in mtab : usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0; where I have to add that parameter?
[10:50] <oling> oling: problem is the latency with most default kernels
[10:50] <confrey> oling : in ubuntu?
[10:50] <sval> just after rw, so .... rw,user=yourlogin like for the cdrom line
[10:51] <oling> confrey: i have an upgraded debian with ubuntu kernel and audio software is not running very well.
[10:52] <oling> confrey: realtime-lsm module would be very useful for ubuntu
[10:52] <oling> confrey: and some low-latency patches for the kernel, but i really hate to patch and compile kernels
[10:52] <confrey> oling, I tried to use slackware, but I couldn't start jack, before spending other time, I want to use ubuntu
[10:53] <oling> confrey: planet ccrma is not bad for audio/video stuff, but i don't like the GUI of redhat fedora.
[10:53] <XhyldazhK> ogra: how do I compile a single module, if all 2.6 documentation i read on internet says that you need kernel sources to do that?
[10:53] <housetier> there is also demudi which is targeted at multimedia use
[10:53] <confrey> now I have an ubuntu installation, I have installed audacity; I need a audio-recording app with a level meter, it's so difficult to find one
[10:54] <oling> confrey: ardour?
[10:54] <ogra> XhyldazhK: you just need the kernel headers and the config (nicely ubuntu already has that in one package)
[10:54] <housetier> demudi debian multimedia distribution, http://www.agnula.org/download/demudi/
[10:54] <confrey> oling : i knew CCRMA of fedora core1, it was fine
[10:54] <oling> confrey: does audacity supports jack?
[10:54] <ogra> XhyldazhK: what do you want to compile ?
[10:55] <confrey> oling,  I don't know ardour, is it in ubuntu?
[10:55] <oling> forget demudi, not much you can get there...
[10:55] <XhyldazhK> ogra: a module I am trying to develop
[10:55] <oling> confrey: it's in debian, i think it's in ubuntu universe
[10:55] <intinig> you know what else I love about ubuntu? sudo instead of su
[10:56] <calc> is there a way to import OE email into evolution, that isn't from OE 4, which happens to be very old
[10:56] <confrey> oling, audacity+jack, I don't think so, I installed audacity, but, to work with it, I must stop the esd daemon
[10:56] <calc> i'm trying to import OE email from current OE (version 6 iirc)
[10:56] <oling> confrey: i would recommend to deinstall esound... :-)
[10:56] <ogra> XhyldazhK: install the linux-headers package matching your installed kernel version and the package build-essential to get a working build environment
[10:57] <confrey> oling, but I like system sound of gnome...
[10:58] <oling> confrey: apt-get install polypaudio
[10:58] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[10:58] <housetier> oling do you have experience with demudi? whats the best thing it has and what nearly drove you mad?
[10:58] <XhyldazhK> thanx ogra
[10:58] <gustavor> how can I know the number of ocurrencies of a search pattern in "vi"?
[10:59] <XhyldazhK> I will try that
[10:59] <meff> is there any documentation anywhere saying how to burn with k3b without using sudo? sudo screws up the permissions on my dot files
[10:59] <confrey> oling, what's it?
[10:59] <edd> anybody installed Ubuntu successfully on an external firewire disk?
[10:59] <oling> housetier: it has not much, not more than debian (but i havn't tested a recent version of demudi).
[11:00] <socomm> meff: You need to go into k3b's setup, and change the permissions of cdrecord+cdrdao
[11:00] <oling> edd: it should install, but most propably not boot
[11:00] <oling> confrey, it's a sound server which is compatible with esound
[11:00] <edd> I'm guessing the default kernel install won't have the firewire modules in the initrd
[11:01] <confrey> oling, why hes for it and not for esound?
[11:01] <confrey> yes
[11:01] <socomm> meff: K3B->Settings->K3B Setup->Password->Okay
[11:02] <confrey> oling, if you like, we can exchange our email addresses or icq UIN, so we can contact ourselves as well about music experiences
[11:02] <XhyldazhK> in which distribution do I have kernel headers for 2.6.8.1? in hoary?
[11:03] <ogra> meff: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[11:03] <thoreauputic> XhyldazhK: try looking for "linux headers" ( for some reason the devs decided to use that instead of kernel-headers)
[11:03] <jblack> Hiya. Could anybody lend me a hand with getting suspend to ram working?
[11:04] <confrey> oling, is there a cdrdao frontend to burn audiocd, like the old xcdrdao, then gcdmaster?
[11:04] <meff> hmm
[11:04] <meff> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kcontrol_4%3a3.2.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:04] <meff>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/fileshareset', which is also in package kdelibs-bin
[11:05] <ogra> jblack: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto
[11:05] <ogra> meff: looks like hoary
[11:05] <oling> confrey: it does not make a big difference for system sound. but i guess it will replace esound soon
[11:05] <meff> yep.. ogra should i force it?
[11:05] <oling> confrey: no idea about cd burning, just installed ubuntu
[11:06] <confrey> oling, ok,thanks; do you use midi?
[11:06] <intinig> if I have an HyperThreading processor what's the right kernel? linux-686 or linux-686-smp?
[11:06] <ogra> meff: maybe, --force-overwrite has worked for others.....
[11:06] <housetier> oling I was hoping you knew more than me :)
[11:07] <oling> housetier: did you try demudi?
[11:07] <confrey> oling, I knew demudi as based on woody, it's really too old
[11:08] <aaroncuk> hey ogra im back
[11:08] <aaroncuk> any ideas on what else i can try
[11:09] <socomm> Try chucking your PC out the window.
[11:09] <jblack> part way there
[11:09] <confrey> oling, what's your opinion about what I proposed?
[11:09] <aaroncuk> lol
[11:09] <ogra> aaroncuk: did you try shutdown after enabling noacpi (without any module fiddling) ?
[11:09] <jblack> ohh. not good
[11:09] <aaroncuk> yeahh
[11:09] <oling> confrey: they should concentrate on audio packages and low-latency kernel and not make a new distribution. but i guess they have to as they funded by the european union (iirc)
[11:09] <jblack> my ide bus didn't come back up
[11:09] <ogra> aaroncuk: didnt work ?
[11:10] <aaroncuk> nope
[11:10] <oling> confrey: icq?
[11:10] <XhyldazhK> i have linux headers installed now... how do i compile mymodule.c ?
[11:10] <confrey> oling, yes
[11:10] <littlepenguin> how can you install java for firefox
[11:10] <aaroncuk> how would i reinstall apm?
[11:10] <socomm> littlepenguin: Read the topic, RestrictedFromats.
[11:10] <Nivlem> Let me look up the wiki for java
[11:12] <Nivlem> Read this..I assumed you are not running a macintosh...
[11:12] <Nivlem> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[11:12] <Nivlem> socomm: How are things?
[11:12] <ogra> confrey: prepared to solve your font prob ?
[11:12] <Nivlem> ogra: what up?
[11:12] <socomm> Nivlem: Fine, and you?
[11:13] <confrey> ogra, yes thanks
[11:13] <ogra> fine :)
[11:13] <aaroncuk> whats that mean lol >>If you want to use APM to send your computer to Linux pseudodeath (err, shutdown), you must also add apm=power-off to your boot options.
[11:13] <aaroncuk> just got it off the forums
[11:13] <Nivlem> socomm: Great...took me a couple days...finally figured out my prob with the firewire drive only mounting read-only....
[11:13] <jblack> ogra: Yeah, that mostly works, but suspend takes about 2 minutes to reset the ide bus. any suggestions?
[11:14] <stevecarter> Hi - I am still very new using ubuntu and am having network problems.  I have ubuntu set up on my laptop and is working well as far as I can tell. The laptop is on an LAN and the other machines all run Windows XP Pro.  When open the network folder the other computers are present, but when I try to access their contents I get a message that it cannot display the contents as I do not have the necessary permissions. How do I get these p
[11:14] <jblack> when I resume, that is.
[11:14] <ogra> confrey: you have to create a file called ~/.gtkrc with the line include "/home/confrey/.gtkrc.mine"
[11:14] <ogra> confrey: assuming confrey is the username
[11:14] <XhyldazhK> i have the linux headers now... how do i compile a module?
[11:15] <XhyldazhK> how do I create a .ko?
[11:15] <Nivlem> stevecarter: First thing you should do on the Windows machines is make sure you have a user created the same as your linux laptop...secondly find, or create a hosts.allow file
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Rhythmbox is having many problems
[11:15] <socomm> XhyldazhK: make, maybe?
[11:15] <Quest-Master> I load a folder of songs
[11:15] <ogra> XhyldazhK: i thought you programmed it ?
[11:15] <Quest-Master> And there are a bunch of songs in the playlist
[11:15] <Quest-Master> And each time it progresses or I press play
[11:15] <XhyldazhK> ogra: yes, im learning to make modules for 2.6
[11:15] <Quest-Master> It says "Resource not able to be opened" twice
[11:15] <littlepenguin> Nivlem: I'm using a mac :)
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Then i click Play again
[11:15] <Quest-Master> And then it works.
[11:15] <Quest-Master> x_x
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Really, really annoying/.
[11:16] <Quest-Master> *.
[11:16] <Nivlem> littlepenguin: Wait one...I will get you the PPC linkage...heh...I run ppc as well ;-)
[11:16] <socomm> XhyldazhK: gcc -c mymodule.c -o module.ko, I think.
[11:16] <Nivlem> littlepenguin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/JavaPPC
[11:16] <XhyldazhK> socomm: that is for 2.4, because 2.6 links another .o with metadata
[11:16] <confrey> ogra, I don't understand : I create a ~/.gtkrc and write in it that line?
[11:17] <socomm> littlepenguin: Are there java binaries available or Mac linux distors?
[11:17] <stevecarter> Nivlem:Does that user have to be the logged in one, or does it just have to be present? What is a hosts.allow file, and where might I find it?
[11:17] <ogra> confrey: yep thats the first step: include "/home/ogra/.gtkrc.mine"
[11:17] <socomm> XhyldazhK: I've never done any kernel dev so I wouldn't be much help there, sorry.
[11:17] <Nivlem> stevecarter: No just having the user created should be sufficient....
[11:17] <ogra> confrey: thats how mine looks
[11:17] <XhyldazhK> socomm: thanx anyway
[11:17] <littlepenguin> socomm: I'm not sure
[11:18] <Nivlem> stevecarter: Go into the console on you linux machine and do man hosts.allow
[11:18] <LBM> my nautilus is borked, nothing will show up (file browsing) and GTK open file dialogs also freeze programs (gedit, openoffice 1.1.3, ...)
[11:18] <LBM> any reported bugs about this?
[11:18] <socomm> littlepenguin: I don't think there are.
[11:18] <LBM> i run hoary
[11:18] <Nivlem> socomm: There is a Sun binary..but it is packaged for i386..so it bombs...
[11:18] <XhyldazhK> anyone knows how to compile a kernel module?
[11:18] <aaroncuk> hello?
[11:19] <socomm> Nivlem: Yes I doubt there are any Mac binaries for Linux. There maybe for Mac OS X.
[11:19] <stevecarter> Nivlem: Sorry - I am very new - what do you mean by the console?
[11:19] <socomm> XhyldazhK: /join #linux
[11:19] <Nivlem> stevecarter: Jus a sec..
[11:20] <ogra> aaroncuk: try it.... the same way you added the noacpi option
[11:20] <Nivlem> Xhydazhk: Scroll down till you get to the kernel stuff...
[11:20] <Nivlem> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowTo
[11:20] <aaroncuk> it doesnt seem to be saving what i enter
[11:21] <littlepenguin> Does anyone know about flash plugins
[11:21] <ogra> aaroncuk: nope...thats for testing.... and you have to reboot anyway to test it ;)
[11:21] <confrey> ogra, I did it : dario@dariom:~ $ cat .gtkrc
[11:21] <confrey> /home/dario/.gtkrc.mine
[11:21] <Nivlem> stevecarter: If you click the applications menu and choose system tools...there will be an icon that is entitled Terminal
[11:21] <aaroncuk> by pressing b
[11:21] <socomm> littlepenguin: Doubtful for Linux on PPC.
[11:22] <ogra> confrey: wrong, the whole line: include "/home/dario/.gtkrc.mine"
[11:22] <intinig> how can I change resolution after I install the ATI driver?
[11:22] <socomm> intinig: xrandr
[11:22] <confrey> ogra, :(, a moment, pls
[11:22] <intinig> socomm, extension RANDR mission on display :0.0
[11:23] <mjr> littlepenguin, yeah, no flash for linux/ppc; you might want to drop a polite line to macromedia about freeing the client source...
[11:23] <socomm> intinig: All right just edit your XF86Config than.
[11:23] <confrey> ogra, dario@dariom:~ $ cat .gtkrc
[11:23] <socomm> intinig: `gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config'
[11:23] <Nivlem> socomm: no xvidtune?
[11:23] <confrey> include "/home/dario/.gtkrc.mine"
[11:23] <confrey> and now?
[11:23] <socomm> intinig: `sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config'
[11:24] <ogra> confrey: now create ~/.gtkrc.mine
[11:24] <thoreauputic> `sudo gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'
[11:24] <Nivlem> socomm: Nevermind found it..
[11:24] <socomm> Nivlem: I've never used xvidtune, xrandr is real easy to use.
[11:24] <ogra> confrey: containing two lines....
[11:24] <littlepenguin> i'll try, and i think other people have too.
[11:24] <intinig> sudo pico /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[11:24] <intinig> :)
[11:24] <ogra> confrey: first line:
[11:24] <davmor2> can anyone help please I just tried to upgrade my kernel to the i686 version as i thought it might speed things up a bit for me. when i rebooted and in grub selected the i686 kernel it wouldn't boot xserver as it could find the nvidia module, yet if i go back to the i386 kernel it boots up fine how can i stop this so i can use the i686 kernel
[11:24] <ogra> confrey: style "user-font"{fontset="-*-bitstream vera sans-medium-r-normal-*-11-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1"}
[11:24] <socomm> intinig: pico isn't installed by default.
[11:25] <thoreauputic> intinig: heh - pico is just a symlink to nano in ubuntu ;)
[11:25] <ogra> confrey: replace it with the font you like to use....
[11:25] <ogra> confrey: second line:
[11:25] <ogra> confrey: widget_class "*" style "user-font"
[11:25] <ogra> confrey: thats all
[11:25] <illustre> installing now i am at 2 network interfaces  detected choose primary- does it make a diff is it the wireless would be eth0 if i choose that one ????????????????????
[11:25] <Matt|> ogra, ooh is this how to change the gtk1 fonts?
[11:25] <socomm> pico is part of the pine package, nein?
[11:25] <ogra> Matt|: yup
[11:25] <Matt|> ogra, ooh i wanna do that
[11:26] <intinig> thoreauputic, I discovered that :(
[11:26] <aaroncuk> how can i set x to load again at startup
[11:26] <intinig> so I switched to gedit :)
[11:26] <intinig> brb gotta reload X
[11:26] <confrey> ogra, I did it, does it work soon, without restarting anything?
[11:26] <thoreauputic> intinig: pine/pico is non-free and has license issues
[11:27] <ogra> confrey:  for me it does
[11:27] <davmor2> can anyone help please I just tried to upgrade my kernel to the i686 version as i thought it might speed things up a bit for me. when i rebooted and in grub selected the i686 kernel it wouldn't boot xserver as it could find the nvidia module, yet if i go back to the i386 kernel it boots up fine how can i stop this so i can use the i686 kernel
[11:27] <littlepenguin> does anyone here know why the xfce panel from the os-cillation installers bomb out? it loads, but doesn't show up. file a bugzilla report @ http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.php?id=563. if i got the link wrong, it's bug 563
[11:27] <confrey> I run xmms now
[11:27] <Matt|> davmor2, you need the module for the 686 kernel.
[11:27] <oling> is there a possibility to disable every system sound (also bell in terminal)?
[11:27] <Matt|> davmor2, install the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel
[11:27] <Nivlem> davmor2: How about installing the nvidia driver again booted into i686?
[11:27] <stevecarter> Nivlem: OK - I found the terminal did man hosts.allow  :( That is information overload!  I will try to work through it in the next week or so!!!!!!  Thanks for your help.
[11:27] <socomm> davmor2: you'll have to reinstall the nVidia drivers.
[11:27] <wazoo> Hello everyone. Using the Live CD, I can't get my HP LaserJet 1200, connected by the USB port, to print. I locate the driver, but find that the test page doesn't cause the printing light to twinkle. I've gone back and changed the connection to USB, and it seems to see the HP. But no go.
[11:28] <davmor2> matt where can i get it do you know
[11:28] <confrey> ogra, wow! it works! but I can't see antialiasing in gtk fonts, is it normal?
[11:28] <Nivlem> stevecarter: Ok...it is really simple..the windows machines may not have one...just name it that way...the format is like the following example:
[11:28] <intinig> ok it works now :)
[11:28] <socomm> davmor2: Your kernel is gonna be lik "I don't like this module it's not compiled for me."
[11:28] <thoreauputic> stevecarter: better to look for your issues on the ubuntu website :)
[11:28] <intinig> much better I can't really work at 1920x1440
[11:28] <Nivlem> UbuntuG4   192.168.X.X
[11:28] <davmor2> or can i use the originals that i downloaded with apt
[11:28] <Matt|> davmor2, you have to follow the wiki again but for your kernel
[11:28] <ogra> confrey: yep.... gtk1 is nearly dead
[11:28] <Quest-Master> :(
[11:29] <ogra> confrey: i think i will make a wiki page for that.....
[11:29] <davmor2> matt ta for i will try again
[11:29] <Matt|> ogra, i missed part of it :(
[11:29] <aaroncuk> i have tried running sudo echo "true" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager  but that doesnt name x load up pn startup
[11:29] <scoon> what is the name of that java bittorrent client ?
[11:29] <Nivlem> stevecarter: UbuntuG4 is the name of my linux box...and the ip is the actual assigned ip address of the linux machine...you should add your other windows boxes on the network as well if more that one...
[11:29] <littlepenguin> hello?
[11:29] <ogra> Matt|: just writing a wiki....wait
[11:29] <Matt|> ogra, oh no i didn't np
[11:29] <Nivlem> littlepenguin: yes..
[11:30] <socomm> scoon: azureus
[11:30] <scoon> socomm, thx
[11:30] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: no, you need "gdm" or "kdm" or whatever in that file if you want a *dm
[11:30] <aaroncuk> how do i do that
[11:30] <littlepenguin> Um, nivlem, which question are you saying yes to?
[11:30] <intinig> do you all use xchat?
[11:31] <wazoo> no. gaim
[11:31] <littlepenguin> I use irssi
[11:31] <intinig> gaim for irc too?
[11:31] <socomm> littlepenguin: Ummm probably not compiled for `teh' PPC?
[11:31] <confrey> ogra : very thanks, but why there isnt' a graphic tool to config this option (and other ones) ?
[11:31] <Nivlem> littlepenguin: I'm not...posting a "hello?" is confusing to everyone...
[11:31] <socomm> intinig: Yes.
[11:31] <intinig> I'll try connecting :)
[11:31] <scoon> intinig, most definately
[11:31] <Quest-Master> Anyone use Rhythmbox?
[11:31] <scoon> Quest-Master, yes.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: probably just open it with an editor and put in  /usr/bin/gdm
[11:31] <socomm> littlepenguin: /join #xfce
[11:31] <Nivlem> Quest-Master: Yes probably most here...
[11:31] <scoon> Quest-Master, rocking indie pop rocks now.
[11:31] <Matt|> ogra, you star
[11:32] <jblack> ogra: Are you going to be at mataro ?\
[11:32] <Quest-Master> Anyone see my problem? :\
[11:32] <Matt|> jblack, yeah he is
[11:32] <scoon> Quest-Master, no
[11:32] <aaroncuk> open what lol
[11:32] <confrey> wazoo, how to use irc wit gaim?
[11:32] <intini1> here I am
[11:32] <sm> hi all.. looking for help getting my cdrom recognized. dmesg shows hda: QSI CD-RW/DVD-ROM SBW242U, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive, yet I have no /dev/cdrom or /dev/dvd
[11:33] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: sudo gedit /etc/X11/default-diplay-manager or whatever, or try  echo /usr/bin/gdm > /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[11:33] <bigbrother0074> anybody experienced getting skype working on an amd64
[11:33] <Matt|> sm, might be at /dev/hd*
[11:33] <bigbrother0074> ?
[11:33] <ogra> jblack: yep.... even i yust catched a bad cold :(
[11:33] <ogra> though
[11:33] <jblack> Looking forward to meeting you
[11:33] <ogra> :)
[11:33] <sm> hmm I don't think so.. no hda* there
[11:34] <Matt|> sm, /dev/hdb, hdc?
[11:34] <sm> modprobe cdrom worked but didn't seem to help
[11:34] <Matt|> sm mine is at hdc
[11:34] <sm> yes I have hdc1-5
[11:34] <sm> on this dell laptop, cd is hda, hard disk is hdc
[11:34] <Matt|> ok
[11:34] <confrey> sm : /dev/cdrom is a link pointing to the effective device; in your case you might create a /dev/cdrom link pointing to /dev/hda
[11:34] <sm> I gave it hda=dev-ide argument at boot
[11:35] <sm> this works with my std. 2.6.8.1 kernel
[11:35] <bigbrother0074> .......anybody experienced getting skype working on an amd64?
[11:35] <sm> confrey: right, but I don't have /dev/hda for some reason
[11:35] <thenuke> how long cloning of 80gb hd should take :I
[11:35] <thenuke> I have been doing that now for umm. 3hours maybe
[11:35] <sm> seems like it can't be too far off though..
[11:36] <Matt|> sm, it should be autodetecting it :( File a bug?
[11:36] <jblack> thenuke: Figure a few megs a sec....
[11:36] <thoreauputic> thenuke: 80gb is quite a lot of bytes ;)
[11:36] <sm> correction: I gave hda=ide-cd kernel option
[11:36] <sm> could that be confusing it ?
[11:37] <Matt|> sm, have you tried without any kernel option?
[11:37] <sm> pretty sure I did.. but will try again
[11:37] <davmor2> matt just read the wiki tells you not to use i686
[11:37] <oling> some process is blocking my audio device? any idea?
[11:37] <jblack> If you get 5 megs a sec, it'll take you about 4 1/2 hours
[11:37] <DeadlyNightshade> hello
[11:37] <jblack> give or take
[11:37] <confrey> sm : if dmesg shows about hda, how can't you have it?
[11:37] <Matt|> davmor2, ok sorry I haven't read it.
[11:37] <sm> don't know
[11:37] <Matt|> davmor2, stick to 386 then
[11:37] <mike__> http://www.pratou.com/?surprise=mafiozox
[11:37] <mike__> http://www.pratou.com/?surprise=mafiozox
[11:37] <mike__> http://www.pratou.com/?surprise=mafiozox
[11:37] <Zaknafein> hello
[11:37] <sm> is there some other module I might need to load ?
[11:37] <Zaknafein> Have aneasy question !
[11:38] <Matt|> shotgun
[11:38] <Zaknafein> I want to compile with gd
[11:38] <davmor2> has anyone else upgraded to the 686 kernel
[11:38] <aaroncuk> sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.1st  -  i have typed that into the terminal but i am getting a blank file s, thats wrong isnt it
[11:38] <Matt|> davmor2, yes but i don't use nvidia
[11:38] <[BTM] gee> how do i open a .rar .zip ?
[11:38] <davmor2> matt ta anyway
[11:38] <thenuke> jblack: few megs? hdparm says they can be read at rate of 40M/s .. writing them should not be sooo much slower :I
[11:38] <sm> I'm running hoary btw
[11:38] <thoreauputic> not 1 , l (letter l)
[11:38] <jblack> thenuke: Are they on the same ide bus?
[11:38] <Zaknafein> anyone here is doing gd development ?
[11:38] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: ^^^
[11:38] <thenuke> jblack: nope
[11:38] <Matt|> [BTM] gee, you can open them in the archive viewer
[11:39] <jblack> no, it shouldn't take _too_ long then
[11:39] <davmor2> matt i know the original nv driver works but then i lose all my 3d ability
[11:39] <[BTM] gee> ok
[11:39] <wazoo> irc with gaim: create an account with type irc. Give yourself a password login. Pull down the buddy "open chat" and enter "#ubuntu. Here I am. Not that I have figured out how to sort out all these quick questions and answers!
[11:39] <Nivlem> davmor2: Wait a sec...you might need to re-run the XF86 configurator..
[11:39] <wazoo> so anybody get a usb printer recognized?
[11:39] <aaroncuk> whats up there lol?
[11:39] <sm> hey, last thing dmesg says is "Uniform CD-ROM driver unloaded"
[11:40] <thenuke> jblack: oh but I just realised that they might be in PIO-mode :P god damn crappy liveCD-linux :)
[11:40] <Nivlem> davmor2: Oops..don't have the file since I upgraded to Hoary...
[11:40] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: <thoreauputic> not 1 , l (letter l)
[11:40] <Zaknafein> i tried sudo apt-get install libgd-dev and it failed. Why ?
[11:40] <sm> but I think that's from me playing around with modprobe cdrom
[11:40] <aaroncuk> doh lol ;)
[11:40] <Nivlem> wazoo: Yep..mine is...but it still don't print...
[11:40] <Beautifularia> Does anyone know of any translators for word perfect documents?
[11:40] <davmor2> nivlem never mind
[11:41] <jmhodges> gaaah.. my panel just completely crapped out on me and wont show any applets including the Applications and Computer menu
[11:41] <Nivlem> try xf86config
[11:41] <wazoo> Nivlem. Is there any other way to check printer status? i tried lpq and localhost:631, but no luck.
[11:41] <sm> thanks all.. will try some more
[11:41] <jmhodges> whats the commandline config to shutdown gnome cleanly?
[11:41] <jmhodges> s/line config//
[11:41] <jmhodges> apparently, i still havent woken up ..
[11:41] <aaroncuk> right lets try that now
[11:41] <Quest-Master> I load a folder of songs, and the songs are added to the playlist
[11:42] <Quest-Master> The song begins
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Then
[11:42] <ogra> Matt|: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Gtk1Fonts
[11:42] <Nivlem> wazoo: click the Computer icon on the panel..then system configuration..the printer..
[11:42] <socomm> Quest-Master: The word you're looking for is directory, not folder.
[11:42] <Nivlem> option
[11:42] <thoreauputic> aaroncuk: try using sudo for it if you want to write to it, as well :)
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Whenever it goes to the next song or I pause and play the current song
[11:42] <socomm> X-(
[11:42] <Beautifularia> Is it possible to open a word perfect document in linux?
[11:42] <Quest-Master> It gives me "Could not open resource for writing" twice.
[11:42] <[BTM] gee> yepp it worked Matt| tnx
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Then i have to click Ok both times, then click Play again, and I have to do this for every song
[11:42] <Quest-Master> Very, very annoying.
[11:43] <Matt|> ogra, nice. the first step may not be necessary tho, the line was already there for me
[11:43] <Quest-Master> This in Rhythmbox btw for anyone who is coming in now
[11:43] <Matt|> ogra, but that is a really helpful wiki
[11:43] <scoon> Quest-Master, maybe try to re-apt it
[11:43] <wazoo> nivlem: yeah, did that to set up the printer, but it doesn't TALK to the printer. A live cd issue?
[11:43] <Quest-Master> Ok
[11:43] <ogra> Matt|: ah, great, i wasnt sure because i have migraded my home since years.... :)
[11:43] <socomm> BeanDip: Yes, OpenOffice.org
[11:43] <confrey> what's the correct device to use with cdrecord? I'd like to use simplecdrx to burn cds, but it seatches foe scsi device (0,0,0), as in 2.4.x kernel
[11:43] <intinig> is changing /etc/apt/sources enough to upgrade to hoary?
[11:43] <[BTM] gee> btw, do you know any program thats like "Ventrilo" ? its a program so you can talk with other people when playing a game
[11:43] <Nivlem> wazoo: dunno...cuzz it ain't talking to mine either...trying to print a test page gives no error or anything...
[11:44] <oling> i cannot play any audio? the sound card is used by some other process.... :-(
[11:44] <Matt|> ogra, :)
[11:44] <wazoo> nivlem: yeah, and lpq says there's nothing in the queue. Are you also live cd?
[11:44] <Nivlem> wazoo: No I am Hoary installed on a macintosh...
[11:44] <Nivlem> bye..
[11:44] <oling> sorry... now it works
[11:44] <TonyK> I have just installed Ubuntu onto my computer and have not been able to get any sound from the SoundBlaster Live
[11:45] <ogra> Matt|: wiki updated :)
[11:45] <Matt|> ogra, you move faster than light
[11:45] <ogra> hehe
[11:46] <aaroncuk> hehe it kind of works, now when i press the power button it turns it straight off, i want it to just shut it down.
[11:46] <Matt|> guy in #ubuntu-it is having samba problems. where is the samba demon started /etc/init.d?
[11:46] <TonyK> My CD Player indicates that it is playing the tunes but there is not sound.  The volume is up and not muted.
[11:46] <ogra> [BTM] gee: there were several talks about skype on the mailing list a while ago
[11:46] <Matt|> aaroncuk, wiki, search for acpi
[11:46] <ogra> [BTM] gee: look there...
[11:47] <socomm> TonyK: Is your CD-Rom connected to the audio card?
[11:48] <TonyK> Everything seems to work with other Linux distributions that I have tried.  I don't think that the CD rom is connected to the audio card
[11:48] <theine> TonyK: do you get the bongo sounds at the login scrren?
[11:48] <TonyK> No sound at start up
[11:49] <theine> TonyK: does lsmod give you lots of snd_* modules?
[11:49] <[BTM] gee> ok ogra
[11:49] <TonyK> The volume application shows several tabs for the sound card.
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> need ventrilo, already have skype
[11:50] <[BTM] gee> :)
[11:50] <DeadlyNightshade> bbl
[11:50] <ogra> TonyK: it should be two
[11:51] <aaroncuk> hmm not alot on there
[11:51] <TonyK> There are several modules listed when I use lsmod
[11:52] <confrey> what's the correct device to use with cdrecord? I'd like to use simplecdrx to burn cds, but it seatches foe scsi device (0,0,0), as in 2.4.x kernel
[11:52] <socomm> TonyK: Do you have any sound at all, could be that you need to configure your audio card.
[11:52] <theine> TonyK: could you issue alsamixer in the console?
[11:53] <jalla> HELLO
[11:53] <TonyK> I don't know what you mean by issue alsamixer?  Could you tell me how to do this.
[11:53] <theine> just type alsamixer
[11:53] <thoreauputic> jalla: check your caps lock ;-)
[11:54] <ogra> confrey: do you have an atapi burner ?
[11:54] <socomm> TonyK: ALT+F2 type uxterm then when a window appears type alsamixer
[11:54] <TonyK> OK.  I can see the alsamixer app.
[11:55] <confrey> ogra, yes
[11:55] <theine> TonyK: are there any MM on top of the master and PCM bars?
[11:55] <socomm> TonyK: Try to turn the volume all the way up in that app.
[11:55] <ogra> confrey: use dev=/dev/hdX (where X is the actual drive letter)
[11:56] <tuxakos> I have cmipci(onboard), sound blaster audigy and terratec phase22. I want to have input from my terratec and output from my audigy. Thanks
[11:56] <s0cks> apt-get it
[11:56] <TonyK> There are no MM on top of those two bars.  I have turned up the volumes all the way
[11:57] <theine> TonyK: hmmm, are you sure you've connected your speakers properly?
[11:57] <Lyresto> hello everybody
[11:57] <theine> TonyK: otherwise I can't help you I'm afraid...
[11:59] <TonyK> theine: Yes, I have. Thank you for trying to help.
[11:59] <theine> TonyK: You're welcome