[12:00] <aaroncuk> ogra.. does htis link mean anything to you?
[12:00] <aaroncuk> its to do with setting the power button as shut down button
[12:00] <aaroncuk> which is what i need
[12:03] <ogra> aaroncuk: which link ?
[12:03] <aaroncuk>  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/12/msg04077.html
[12:03] <aaroncuk> lol
[12:04] <Quest-Master> ogra: Do you remember what lib thing I had to download to get the MIDI working again?
[12:04] <Quest-Master> I had to reinstall Ubuntu, so yeah
[12:04] <ogra> aaroncuk: did you try the BIOS setting that is mentioned there ?
[12:05] <ogra> Quest-Master: hmm, sorry nope
[12:05] <aaroncuk> the only option i have is power off or suspend
[12:05] <Quest-Master> Who was the one who gave me that lib again?
[12:05] <Quest-Master> I have to find it
[12:05] <Quest-Master> :(
[12:05] <Quest-Master> It was like libsndseqoss or something
[12:06] <ogra> Quest-Master: ahh, no lib, a module :)
[12:06] <aaroncuk> orga how would i make that script?
[12:07] <ogra> Quest-Master: i think it was: sudo modprobe snd-seq-oss && sudo modprobe snd-seq-device
[12:07] <confrey|^> ogra, it's not enough, simplecdrx doesn't work; O have a cdrecord log, but it's too long
[12:08] <ogra> confrey|^: drop it in #flood
[12:08] <socomm> confrey|^: Tail the log.
[12:09] <confrey|^> ogra, I think the problem is simplecdrx expectes cdrecord working with ide-scsi emulation, while in kernel 2.6 it's needed
[12:10] <Quest-Master> YES.
[12:10] <Quest-Master> That was it.
[12:10] <Quest-Master> :D
[12:10] <confrey|^> and how to solve this problem?
[12:11] <Quest-Master> Hm
[12:11] <aaroncuk> ogra.. how do i make that script on tat page ?
[12:12] <ogra> confrey|^: there is any way to tell cdrecord in a config option which device to use by default.....cant remember it
[12:13] <ogra> aaroncuk: there is no script, just a dead link.....
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > | Then I installed apmd and make a script /etc/apm/suspend.d/shutdown
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > | #!/bin/sh
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > |
[12:14] <aaroncuk> > | shutdown -h now
[12:15] <confrey|^> ogra, I simply need an app to burn audio cd, where I can set indexes into audio trackes, like the old xcdrdao or gcdmaster
[12:15] <basejumper944> is there some special way that you need to configure samba under debian/ubuntu
[12:16] <confrey|^> basejumper944, swat? or is there some gnome frontend?
[12:16] <jazzka> comes ubuntu with nfs by default?
[12:17] <basejumper944> i dont think so
[12:17] <basejumper944> its in universe but is unstable
[12:17] <jazzka> unstable?
[12:17] <jazzka> :((
[12:18] <basejumper944> wont let you install it
[12:18] <jazzka> but nfs is a well known unix protocol!
[12:18] <mjr> umm, yes, Ubuntu supports nfs, pretty much by default
[12:18] <Quest-Master> How can I kill a Nautilus window that won't close?
[12:18] <basejumper944> yeah im talking about swat
[12:18] <mjr> you probably want to install the supporting nfs-kernel-server package if you want to serve nfs
[12:18] <thoreauputic> jazzka: look for nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server in synaptic\
[12:18] <jdub> nfs-common to use nfs, nfs-kernel-server to serve nfs
[12:19] <jazzka> thanks!
[12:20] <Quest-Master> killsig or something I guess?
[12:20] <newbeee> i somehow trashed my mbr, but i have lilo installed on my / partition (hdb3), is there a way i can still load ubuntu? i tried a grub floppy [grub> root (hd1,2); kernel /vmlinuz; boot]  but i got a kernel panic. any suggestions?
[12:21] <jpvcx> Quest-Master: xkill ?
[12:21] <Quest-Master> xkill nautilus?
[12:22] <socomm> Quest-Master: `killall -9 nautilus'
[12:22] <socomm> Quest-Master: Though nautilus will respawn after awhile.
[12:23] <aaroncuk> im out of ideas, damn linux lol
[12:23] <ogra> aaroncuk: look if the button module is loaded
[12:23] <aaroncuk> just unstinstalled apmd
[12:23] <aaroncuk> will reinstall
[12:23] <confrey|^> newbeee, you might give the correct root parameter after /vmlinuz; for example : kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdaX, where x is the correct number of your root partition
[12:23] <ogra> aaroncuk: your system supports acpi....use acpi
[12:24] <aaroncuk> whats the difference? amd how do i check the button module
[12:24] <ogra> aaroncuk: try: lsmod |grep button
[12:24] <Quest-Master> :( ok.
[12:24] <Quest-Master> Respawned. :P
[12:24] <Quest-Master> At least it works now.
[12:25] <newbeee> confrey|, i thought "root (hd1,2)" took care of that?
[12:25] <aaroncuk> no results for that
[12:25] <socomm> Quest-Master: Yeah that happens.
[12:25] <ogra> aaroncuk: so: sudo modprobe button
[12:26] <aaroncuk> fatal error inserting button. no such device
[12:26] <confrey|^> newbeee, with root (hdX,Y) you give the number disk and number partition of the kernel's filesystem
[12:26] <gumpish> So I thought that maybe by idling in #ubuntu my fresh install of warty would magically start connecting to samba shares. It has not.
[12:26] <confrey|^> in what partition of what disk ubuntu is resident?
[12:27] <ogra> aaroncuk :(
[12:27] <newbeee> hdb3
[12:27] <mirak> anyone know a captive source for apt sources.list ?
[12:27] <confrey|^> newbeee, in what partition of what disk ubuntu is ?
[12:28] <aaroncuk> any ways to fix that?
[12:28] <newbeee> confrey|, it's in the third partition on the second disk (/dev/hdb3 or hd1,2?)
[12:28] <flam> is there a simple way of editing which daemons to autostart with ubuntu(like portmap and inetd) or do I have to edit the init.d files manually?
[12:28] <ogra> flam: manually
[12:28] <Quest-Master> I need to request some features for Nautilus.
[12:28] <flam> ogra, ok. i can't seem to find which file that starts them tho :P
[12:29] <Quest-Master> It's got a while to go before getting as good as Konqueror. :(
[12:29] <flam> i'll just have to search harder.
[12:29] <newbeee> confrey|^, sorry, didn't spell your user name correctly; it's in the third partition on the second disk (/dev/hdb3 or hd1,2?)
[12:30] <ogra> flam: /etc/rc2.d holds all the initscripts for the default runlevel.....if you want the full functionallity of your desktop you dont want to disable portmap
[12:30] <flam> ogra, hm. portmap is only used for nfs-shares, or am i wrong?
[12:30] <confrey|^> newbeee, ok, so you type : root (hd1,2) ; kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb3 apm=on ; initrd /boot/initrd-.. (I don't remebre, complete it with tab key); boot
[12:31] <ogra> flam: remove or add the symlinks in the rc2.d to start or stop the services on boot
[12:31] <ogra> flam:  fam needs portmap
[12:31] <flam> ah, ok.
[12:31] <flam> then i'll let it stay.
[12:31] <flam> thanks for your help
[12:31] <ogra> flam: portmap on ubuntu is configured to listen only local so dont worry
[12:32] <flam> ogra: i wasn't worried about that. i'm secure. i just don't want a lot of daemons runnings and take up space in mem :)
[12:32] <gumpish> Is it configured to mount my samba shares too?
[12:33] <crimsun> might want to mention that Hoary has moved away from famd
[12:33] <flam> i can't understand why almost 500 mb of my memory i used..
[12:33] <crimsun> flam: how much RAM do you have?
[12:33] <flam> 512
[12:34] <crimsun> flam: then that's normal. Linux aggressively caches.
[12:34] <flam> yeah i know. but i just have like 8 mb free right now :P
[12:34] <flam> guess it keeps it at that level
[12:34] <crimsun> that's the wrong number to look at
[12:34] <flam> ok..? :)
[12:35] <ogra> flam: thats great ...as long as the system doesnt swap you should be happy that your mem gets used ;)
[12:35] <crimsun> flam: free -m|grep '-'|awk -F' ' '{print $4}'
[12:35] <confrey|^> ogra, another font problem : in audacity, I see too large fonts; menu uses small fonts as other gnome apps; fonts of application are too large, and go out the correct width, what can I do?
[12:35] <flam> i get 311
[12:36] <ogra> flam: much less then 512 :)
[12:36] <newbeee> confrey|^, thank you kindly, i'm going to try it now
[12:36] <crimsun> flam: that's how much reclaiming memory you have. 311 seems plenty.
[12:36] <flam> which means 311 is "free"?:)
[12:36] <flam> ah, ok
[12:36] <crimsun> err, reclaimable
[12:36] <crimsun> my grammar is all shot this evening
[12:36] <flam> :] 
[12:36] <flam> then there's no problem. thanks
[12:38] <flam> don't know where to post this idea i got. but why don't ubuntu ships more kernelpackages in the install? so one can decide which precompiled kernel that fits best. it's dumb to have like 50 modules loaded after an install.
[12:38] <crimsun> flam: "kernelpackages?"
[12:38] <crimsun> as in linux-image-foo.deb?
[12:38] <crimsun> or as in kernel modules?
[12:38] <flam> yeah
[12:38] <flam> .deb package
[12:39] <crimsun> keep in mind there's a space constraint - 1 ISO.
[12:39] <ogra> confrey|^: sorry, audacity uses wxgtk, i have no clue how to set the fonts there if they dont get pcked up fron the theme.... has the program itself an font option ?
[12:39] <flam> well, a kernel package don't usually take more space than 2 mb. my doesn't anyway
[12:39] <tm17h> Hi all -- I upgraded to hoary and can't get X back up (xorg now). Can anyone help me out?
[12:40] <flam> and i've got support for quite a lot of things
[12:40] <crimsun> flam: "my" is key - you've compiled it specifically for your hardware. Imagine trying to do that for a wide expanse of hardware matrices
[12:40] <confrey|^> ogra, no, not in the preferences dialog from menu
[12:40] <Eraph> Hi everyone - a question! I have Unreal Tournament 2004 on DVD, and in the root folder, there is a file called linux-installer.sh. Whenever I go to run it, the terminal window shows up briefly and disappears, nothing happens after that. If I access it straight from terminal, it claims I do not have priveliges to access it, even when using 'sudo'. Any ideas on whats going on?
[12:41] <ogra> Eraph: run it from a terminal to see the errors that occur
[12:41] <confrey|^> ogra, is it possible to configure wxgtk otions, as did we do about gkt fonts?
[12:41] <crimsun> Eraph: from a terminal: sudo sh ./linux-installer.sh
[12:41] <ceu> Eraph: maybe the dvd is mounted with "noexec" option
[12:41] <flam> crimsun: yeah, i know. just an idea..
[12:41] <ogra> confrey|^: i dont know....
[12:42] <flam> crimsun: would be nice tho if one could make an own kernel in expert-mode.
[12:42] <Eraph> Aaaaah, thats working now. Didn't realise you had to add in the 'sh' there! Thanks guys!
[12:42] <flam> own = customized
[12:42] <crimsun> flam: I don't believe that belongs in the installer, however. After one completes the installation, that's a perfectly good choice to begin with.
[12:43] <aaroncuk> is there anyway of shutting ubuntu down through ssh command, without having to log in,. ie saving the user name etc in the client
[12:43] <newbeee> confrey|^, thank you, it worked like a charm. now to figure out why i can't write a good mbr... :)
[12:43] <confrey|^> I'm try to install xcdrdao, after obtainig a deb from an old rpm with alien; ldd tell me it needs some libraries; some of them are missing :   libgdkmm-1.0.so.1,libstdc++.so.2.8 and /lib/ld-linux.so.2; can I do anything?
[12:43] <WebMaven> Hello All. My sound isn't working, and I don't know how to diagnose or fix it.
[12:44] <socomm> Bleh, audio is over rated.
[12:44] <spity> confrey|^: apt-get install xcdroast?
[12:44] <flam> crimsun: yeah :)
[12:44] <confrey|^> newbeee setup grub again now ...
[12:44] <crimsun> WebMaven: what sound chipset?
[12:44] <confrey|^> spity, no, dpkg -i xcdrdao, not xcdroast
[12:44] <WebMaven> The device manager says I have a 82801BA/BAM AC'97
[12:45] <spity> confrey|^: oh, dunno then
[12:45] <crimsun> WebMaven: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <spity> confrey|^: get Contents-i386.gz file (or similar) and grep which package has those files
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_intel8x0           33068  3
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_ac97_codec         59268  1 snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_pcm                85540  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_page_alloc         11144  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[12:45] <WebMaven> gameport                4736  1 snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd_mpu401_uart         7296  1 snd_intel8x0
[12:45] <WebMaven> snd                    50660  11 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[12:45] <crimsun> WebMaven: next time, please paste in #flood, thanks :)
[12:46] <tvon|x31> need a paste url in the topic
[12:46] <WebMaven> crimsun: sorry.
[12:46] <tvon|x31> #flood sucks
[12:46] <crimsun> then suggest pastebin.com, tvon|x31.
[12:46] <tvon|x31> crimsun: thats what I'm saying
[12:46] <WebMaven> I'll use http://paste.plone.org from now on.
[12:46] <flam> ah, when talking about the intel8x0.. i've got an intel card that uses that driver but the card doesn't support hardware mixing. is the a simple way to enable software mixing? tried alsa with my debian and it fucked things up :P
[12:46] <crimsun> flam: use dmix.
[12:47] <flam> hm, ok. i'll check it out
[12:47] <tm17h> When I try to boot X, I get a complaint that X is already running -- the only screen I see is grey with the standard X cursor floating on it.
[12:47] <flam> thanks
[12:47] <WebMaven> crimsun: what's my next step?
[12:47] <thoreauputic> crimsun: the /topic used to have a paste url, I seem to recall - don't know why it was removed...
[12:48] <crimsun> flam: I've placed a simple config at http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/asound.conf ; if you have additional questions, /join #alsa and we'll discuss it there.
[12:48] <Zugot> so what is the state of hoary as of today?
[12:48] <flam> thanks :)
[12:48] <crimsun> Zugot: please rephrase
[12:48] <WebMaven> crimsun: http://paste.plone.org/250
[12:49] <Zugot> ok... i' just did a apt-get upgrade on my hoary box
[12:49] <Zugot> any obvious gotchas?
[12:49] <crimsun> Zugot: mine's working fine. Just dist-upgraded 5 minutes ago.
[12:49] <gumpish> Wow, so anyone can change the topic huh?
[12:49] <crimsun> gumpish: that's correct, this channel is not +t
[12:49] <geertn> j #asterisk-drinkers
[12:50] <geertn> sorry
[12:50] <tm17h> Zugot: Mine's fubared.
[12:50] <WebMaven> crimsun: what do I try next?
[12:50] <Sensebend> I like that this channel doesn't have any opers too 90% of the time :)
[12:50] <tm17h> Zugot: No X.
[12:50] <Sensebend> nothing wrong with not having X
[12:51] <gumpish> =/ wish there were something I could do to figure out WHY I can connect to my samba shares.
[12:51] <Sensebend> as long as you can get to a terminal
[12:51] <gumpish> can't
[12:51] <Zugot> Sensebend, i can't... i program in java...
[12:51] <Sensebend> you can fix whatever just broke :)
[12:51] <usual> I wish audacity worked in ubuntu
[12:51] <usual> with alsa
[12:51] <Sensebend> umm you don't need X to program in Java
[12:51] <crimsun> usual: wrap it with aoss.
[12:51] <usual> crimsun, how
[12:51] <Zugot> Sensebend, uh yes you do when you develop swing apps
[12:51] <WebMaven> crimsun?
[12:51] <Sensebend> unless you're doing any sort of interfaces
[12:51] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install alsa-oss && aoss audacity
[12:51] <crimsun> WebMaven: please wait a sec.
[12:52] <usual> ok
[12:52] <Zugot> Sensebend, you've never seen a large java project then
[12:52] <WebMaven> crimsun: certainly.
[12:52] <socomm> Zugot: Not you don't, unless you actually wanna see your app.
[12:52] <tm17h> Sensebend: Well -- I program in pygtk, and you can't even >>>import gtk without X :)
[12:52] <Sensebend> yeah socomm
[12:52] <Zugot> socomm, now thats just silly
[12:52] <socomm> Zugot: One can program and compile pretty much anything from theCLI.
[12:52] <confrey|^> crimsun : what's aoss?
[12:52] <socomm> s/not/no
[12:53] <crimsun> confrey|^: 'ALSA OSS-compatibility application wrapper'
[12:53] <Zugot> socomm, socomm i can't do my model driven architecture programming from the CLI
[12:53] <crimsun> WebMaven: do you have a .wav file handy?
[12:53] <socomm> Zugot: Weak.
[12:53] <stodge> I just installed spe - a Python GUI builder. When I run it - the fonts are horrible and look to be un-anti-aliased, like it's using GTK1 instead of GTK2. It uses wxGlade - anyone come across anything like this before? Thanks
[12:53] <confrey|^> crimsun, apt-cache search doesn't find anything about aoss
[12:53] <Zugot> no weak... just don't be so PRO CLI
[12:53] <crimsun> confrey|^: 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages
[12:53] <Zugot> i'm fine with the CLI
[12:53] <Zugot> i can't just think of times when i'd rather not use it
[12:53] <usual> crimsun, doesn't detect any sound device
[12:53] <crimsun> confrey|^: note it's in 'universe'
[12:54] <socomm> Zugot: I'm not pro CLI :^/
[12:54] <WebMaven> crimsun: Ummm... I think I can find one from the stuff that's on the system...
[12:54] <confrey|^> crimsun, I don't use hoary; what can I do? do I have to compile it?
[12:54] <crimsun> WebMaven: xemacs21 has a ton of .wavs ;)
[12:54] <beaufils> any idea how to change a printer name ?
[12:54] <crimsun> ['xemacs21-basesupport' package] 
[12:54] <socomm> Isn't wavs like the bmp of audio files.
[12:55] <socomm> s/wavs/wave
[12:55] <usual> crimsun, says host error, no audio device detected
[12:55] <Sensebend> no socomm
[12:55] <Sensebend> more like the uncompressed tiff of audio files
[12:55] <crimsun> usual: but it runs fine using alsa's oss emulation?
[12:55] <usual> crimsun, the application open's but you can't do anything with it, theres no sound device
[12:55] <confrey|^> crimsun, I use audacity with alsa, but I have to stop esd
[12:56] <crimsun> usual: read what confrey|^ just typed
[12:56] <usual> ahhh
[12:56] <usual> that sucks
[12:56] <usual> heh
[12:56] <usual> thank you :)
[12:56] <confrey|^> usual : because it find /dev/dsp used by another app (esd);
[12:56] <usual> gotcha
[12:56] <crimsun> WebMaven: when you've located a .wav file, use `aplay -Dplughw:0 foo.wav' to test if alsa itself works
[12:57] <confrey|^> crimsun, using alsa support it's possible to use audacity and esd?
[12:59] <socomm> This is boring, see you guys.
[12:59] <WebMaven> crimsun: nope, nothing.
[01:00] <WebMaven> That is, it says the following:
[01:00] <WebMaven> Playing WAVE 'startup.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo
[01:01] <WebMaven> but I get no sound from the speakers.
[01:01] <tm17h> Geez... if X doesn't start, shouldn't the error log end in something like "Error: blah blah blah is broken..."? It seems to just not work here, with no useful output that I can see...
[01:02] <WebMaven> incidentally, /usr/share/sounds seems like a good default sound source for debugging purposes.
[01:02] <crimsun> WebMaven: ok, so aplay doesn't throw an error; it just hangs?
[01:02] <crimsun> WebMaven: `lsof /dev/snd/*' && `lsof /dev/dsp*'
[01:02] <borgmeister> well, that settles it, ill be using ubuntu as a server
[01:03] <WebMaven> I wouldn't say it hangs. It just waits a few seconds, then gives me back the prompt.
[01:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: ah, so it _does_ play
[01:03] <borgmeister> windows server 2003 sucks
[01:03] <borgmeister> no driver support
[01:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: in that case you want to ensure the mixer is unmuted and the volumes, increased
[01:03] <borgmeister> network connectivity is 'patchy' at best, and it didnt even recognise my gpu hardware
[01:03] <crimsun> WebMaven: please paste `amixer' output to the web site
[01:04] <usual> is ubuntu's laptop support good?
[01:04] <borgmeister> ye
[01:04] <borgmeister> very imo
[01:04] <borgmeister> saw my wireless card flawlessly
[01:04] <borgmeister> but
[01:04] <borgmeister> bootup is slow
[01:05] <borgmeister> trouble is, for me, disabling 'auto' in network hardware caused GNOME to become unstable
[01:05] <borgmeister> other than that no problems
[01:05] <WebMaven> crimsun: http://paste.plone.org/251
[01:06] <borgmeister> btw, when i try to run kismet it gives some error, fatal, failed to find cisco config file, and kills itself
[01:06] <borgmeister> any ideas?
[01:06] <crimsun> WebMaven: note in your output that PCM is muted.
[01:06] <borgmeister> im not using a cisco config file
[01:07] <borgmeister> ive got a prism2 card
[01:07] <WebMaven> crimsun: Hmm.
[01:07] <crimsun> WebMaven: for "Simple mixer control 'PCM',0", both "Front Left" and "Front Right" are muted "[off] " and set to vol. level 0%
[01:08] <crimsun> borgmeister: try the documentation for kismet in /usr/share/doc/kismet/
[01:08] <borgmeister> crimsun: ok
[01:08] <WebMaven> Ok, I open the audio panel, and I see two tabs: 'Cirrus Logic CS4201 rev 5 [OSS Mixer] ' , and 'Intel 82801BA-ICH2 [Alsa Miker] '.
[01:10] <crimsun> WebMaven: personally, I find using `alsamixer' more convenient; try running `alsamixer' from a terminal
[01:10] <confrey|^> goodnigth everybody!
[01:10] <borgmeister> crimsun: which one?
[01:10] <crimsun> WebMaven: use the left arrow to scroll to the PCM selection, then use 'm' to unmute it, then use the up arrow to increase the vol %
[01:10] <Roshbo> nite
[01:11] <crimsun> borgmeister: I don't have 'kismet' installed; there should be example configs you can look at
[01:11] <WebMaven> crimsun: Thanks! That's very cool.
[01:12] <borgmeister> crimsun: nothing like that
[01:15] <kensai> Ok I need to make clear what is breaking my hoary. Is it the packages that gives a warning about If I want to install them and they say I have a current version If I wish to install the mainteiners version and I say yes?
[01:18] <usual> what is running in this term?
[01:18] <usual> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18459&file1=18459-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Edge+GTK+%28coming+soon%29
[01:20] <kensai> usual, ubuntu
[01:20] <kensai> :)
[01:20] <usual> kensai, no
[01:20] <usual> kensai, what app is displaying that info
[01:20] <JDahl> is it possible to install hoary directly without upgrading from warty?
[01:21] <Gwildor> no
[01:21] <kensai> usual, terminal
[01:22] <usual> kensai, no, what app is running IN the terminal
[01:22] <kensai> usual, oohhh ok now I know what you mean
[01:22] <usual> heh
[01:22] <kensai> usual, LOL
[01:22] <kensai> usual, sadly I forgot what is the app that is doing it
[01:22] <usual> kensai, it looks nice
[01:23] <Gwildor> any playstation emulators in the repos?
[01:23] <kensai> usual, really nice
[01:24] <kensai> there are no hoary test cd out yet?
[01:25] <Gwildor> no
[01:25] <kensai> Damn I need to dist-upgrade all night again
[01:25] <Gwildor> does it take that long?
[01:25] <Gwildor> semms, last time i did, took only 45 mins
[01:26] <kensai> Gwildor, nahh just like 2 - 3 hours
[01:26] <usual> takes me seconds
[01:26] <Gwildor> err, maybe less
[01:26] <Gwildor> usual, how?
[01:26] <Gwildor> no way
[01:26] <kensai> Gwildor, I have 512 Kbs only
[01:26] <Gwildor> kensai, what a bummer
[01:26] <JDahl> I wanted to upgrade to hoary, but I didnt have the required 600+ MBs free for apt - my root partition is full (I even uninstalled OpenOffice).. Warty is nice, but such a hog!
[01:26] <usual> Gwildor, wait, do you mean to go from warty to hoary or to just do a hoary dist upgrade in hoary
[01:26] <kensai> Gwildor, is better than 56K
[01:27] <thenuke> should there be lsconfig command
[01:27] <Gwildor> usual, warty to hoary
[01:27] <Gwildor> kensai, i guess so.......so optimistic
[01:27] <usual> Gwildor, oh, prob took me like 20 min
[01:27] <thenuke> does not work in this install. I wonder if dist-upgrade brings it?
[01:27] <usual> i dist-upgrade every day
[01:27] <kensai> My hoary brokes every week so I need to reinstall everyweek
[01:28] <Gwildor> me too
[01:28] <Gwildor> just did
[01:28] <Gwildor> kensai, what are you doing....ive had 0 problems from hoary, well xcept sed breakage for a day
[01:29] <kensai> Gwildor, I don't know there are some packages that ask me Y/n/etc/etc/etc/ and I always hit yes
[01:29] <kensai> Gwildor, is that wrong?
[01:29] <kensai> Gwildor, what you do when does packages appear?
[01:30] <Gwildor> kensai, hmmm, i rarely get that, but i do, as well, answer yes....still, i get no problems, maybe its some stuff you do BEFORE your hoary attempt
[01:30] <thoreauputic> kensai: if the old configuration was working, I don't accept a new one, if that's what you mean
[01:31] <vigilanty667> hey all...
[01:31] <kensai> Gwildor, thoreauputic, with some updates hoary gets broken to the way that when I reboot I have no internet connectiom
[01:31] <vigilanty667> i'm at another try with ubuntu on this pavilion ze4400...
[01:32] <thoreauputic> kensai: well, it *is* the development version, after all :)
[01:32] <vigilanty667> is there anyone available who can help me?
[01:32] <Gwildor> how do i open a .zip file?, err "unzip it"
[01:32] <kensai> thoreauputic, but If it don't happen to anyone here hten I'm doing something wrong when I updatye
[01:32] <Gwildor> kensai, maybe say NO
[01:33] <kensai> Gwildor, zip package is in repositories
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: err... unzip <file> , oddly enough ;)
[01:33] <thoreauputic> or gunzip
[01:33] <thoreauputic> for gz files
[01:34] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, kk, thnx it is a .zip so unzip <file>will work
[01:34] <usual> http://www.slackcare.com/ad-aware.jpg
[01:34] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: yep, assuming unzip/zip is installed
[01:35] <sladen> cenerentola: yup
[01:36] <kensai> usual, lol ad-aware
[01:36] <usual> :)
[01:38] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, it worked
[01:39] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: the wonders of Open Source ;-)
[01:39] <Skwid_> usual: wine ? )
[01:39] <usual> Skwid_, no idea
[01:40] <thenuke> whoa, dist-upgrade says that there is nothing to upgrade? I have never done that before :o  but I did apt-get upgrade
[01:41] <thenuke> is there something wrong :)
[01:41] <usual> thenuke, did you add hoary to sources.list
[01:41] <Gwildor> thenuke, do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade
[01:42] <thenuke> Gwildor: yes, I did that
[01:42] <intinig> guys I broke my ubuntu
[01:42] <thenuke> usual: I have everything uncommented in sources.list
[01:42] <usual> did you drop it
[01:42] <intinig> I wanted to upgrade from warty to hoary
[01:42] <intinig> changed apt.sources
[01:42] <usual> thenuke, you have to change warty to say hoary
[01:43] <thenuke> ah ok
[01:43] <intinig> and apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade
[01:43] <usual> :)
[01:43] <thenuke> and then I will have hoary I guess? :)
[01:43] <usual> yes
[01:43] <intinig> then I discovered that ubuntu-desktop wasn't updated
[01:43] <thenuke> but do I want to have that =)  well, if it works
[01:43] <vigilanty667> you can't just install hoary first?
[01:43] <intinig> so I did an apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[01:43] <usual> thenuke, I use it i love it
[01:43] <intinig> and.... BOOM! no x anymore
[01:43] <intinig> how do I tell x.org to reconfigure itself automagically
[01:43] <intinig> ?
[01:44] <usual> intinig, do you use nvidia?
[01:44] <intinig> (god bless bitchx)
[01:44] <Gwildor> vigilanty667, nope
[01:44] <intinig> I used ati
[01:44] <usual> oh
[01:44] <intinig> fglxr
[01:44] <vigilanty667> ok
[01:44] <intinig> on X11R6
[01:44] <thenuke> usual: I will give it a go. hmm.. But what one I should change to hoary :o
[01:44] <Gwildor> thenuke, everywhere it say warty
[01:45] <Gwildor> thenuke, all of the,
[01:45] <vigilanty667> has there ever been anybody successfull at an nvidia driver for ubuntu?
[01:45] <usual> thenuke, it may work great but it isn't considered stable, it is a work in progress...so if one day something breaks you have to deal with it
[01:45] <intinig> thenuke: then remember not to upgrade ubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <intinig> is it possible to have xorg reconfigure itself automatically or must I configure it by hand?
[01:45] <usual> vigilanty667, me
[01:45] <vigilanty667> really?
[01:46] <usual> vigilanty667, I use nvidia drivers
[01:46] <vigilanty667> dude, is there any way u can help me set up my laptop?
[01:46] <thenuke> intinig: :I but if I do dist-upgrade it would upgrade that?
[01:46] <Gwildor> intinig, Xorg just WORKED for me
[01:46] <thenuke> so how to prevent it
[01:46] <usual> vigilanty667, there are two ways, follow the instructions on the wiki or use the driver from nvidia.com
[01:46] <thoreauputic> intinig: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:46] <intinig> thenuke: dist-upgrade leaves it alone
[01:46] <usual> msg me
[01:46] <thenuke> ah.
[01:46] <intinig> thoreauputic I did that but it asks lots of questions :)
[01:46] <vigilanty667> driver from nvidia sounds good...
[01:47] <thoreauputic> intinig: hehe..well, yes ;)
[01:47] <usual> vigilanty667, they are both from nvidia
[01:47] <usual> vigilanty667, but one is from there site one if from in ubuntu
[01:47] <vigilanty667> well dude, I may need a lot of other help here really shortly...
[01:48] <usual> msg me
[01:48] <vigilanty667> ok
[01:48] <intinig> thoreauputic: did it again
[01:48] <intinig> but it doesn't work
[01:48] <intinig> from the log it seems to try to load the fglxr module
[01:53] <intinig> looks like I have to reinstall warty
[01:53] <intinig> and stick with that
[02:00] <Phr0stByte> http://www.world-cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/11/30/bush.arrest/index.html
[02:00] <Phr0stByte> lol
[02:05] <Handy> I'm currently running Debian Sarge. How does Ubuntu compare?
[02:06] <crimsun> ubuntu provides a streamlined, gnome 2.8-based interface
[02:06] <Handy> I like Sarge, but the lack of security updates frightens me...
[02:06] <Handy> Does the "universe" repository thing provide most of what I'd find in the debian repository?
[02:07] <meff> yes
[02:07] <Handy> Nifty
[02:07] <meff> if you want stable use warty, if you want something similar to sid check out hoary
[02:07] <Handy> meff: Na, I'm not that brave
[02:08] <meff> warty is updated on a ~6mo timeframe.. needless to say a bit more often than debian :)
[02:08] <Handy> meff: I just want something more up to date that Debian Stable that get security updates
[02:08] <meff> Handy: warty will probably be great for you then.
[02:08] <Handy> I think I'll give it a try ten
[02:08] <Handy> then, that is
[02:08] <meff> let me know how it goes :)
[02:10] <Handy> will do
[02:10] <vigilanty667> how do i indstall in failsafe mode?
[02:11] <Handy> Do the security updates get stuck into the main repository, or would I need to add an extra line in my sources file?
[02:11] <meff> extra line but its added automagically Handy
[02:11] <Handy> Nice
[02:12] <Gwildor> any playstation emulators in the repos?
[02:12] <Handy> Can't wait till my Warty ISO is done DLing :)
[02:12] <Gwildor> lol
[02:15] <Matt|> problem: i've just converted a openoffice file to pdf and when I view it in xpdf it looks absolutely dreadful. Screenshot of it is here: http://mdke.mine.nu/images/pdf_problems.png Anyone have any ideas as to what might be wrong? I have no idea if it is the pdf file itself that is bad, or simply my screen's display of it.
[02:16] <DeanG> Can you change the grainy font?
[02:16] <Gwildor> Matt|, maybe its just that font?
[02:16] <ootoot> How do I get rid of the x cursor in the middle of my screen??
[02:17] <Matt|> Gwildor, maybe. It is all in the same font with very few exceptions: Nimbus Roman.
[02:18] <Matt|> Gwildor, but that is a really standard font and I've always used it in the past with other OSes without any problems
[02:18] <vigilanty667> how do I install using failsafe options?
[02:20] <Matt|> vigilanty667, what do you mean?
[02:21] <vigilanty667> i'm tryin to put ubuntu on this laptop...
[02:21] <Matt|> yes
[02:21] <vigilanty667> but the only way I can get the live cd to boot is through failsafe mode...
[02:22] <Matt|> really
[02:22] <vigilanty667> otherwise, it'll freeze.
[02:22] <vigilanty667> yep yep
[02:22] <Matt|> what is wrong with it?
[02:22] <vigilanty667> nothing wrong with the laptop itself...
[02:23] <vigilanty667> i just wish I knew how to install using the failsafe...
[02:23] <Matt|> what is the error given?
[02:24] <Matt|> not much point installing if it is not going to work
[02:24] <vigilanty667> i figured maybe it'll work after being able to get it on the net with a gui at least.
[02:25] <Matt|> i think that if the live cd won't boot, then you're not gonna have much luck. Check the wiki for supported laptop hardware and look for your laptop
[02:27] <vigilanty667> i'm lookin here for that...
[02:27] <vigilanty667> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[02:27] <vigilanty667> don't see a place to look for this laptop though.
[02:28] <usual> the install cd boots for me
[02:28] <usual> but the cd's I got in the mail the live cd doesn't
[02:28] <Matt|> vigilanty667, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[02:29] <vigilanty667> my laptop's not listed.
[02:30] <sm> hi all
[02:30] <sm> so, I'm making progress with this dell inspiron 1100, upgraded from knoppix -> sarge -> hoary
[02:31] <sm> I had to add ide-cd and psmouse manually to /etc/modules for some reason
[02:31] <sm> now my touchpad and cd work
[02:31] <sm> but I don't get the usual /dev/cd* links - what should set those up for me ?
[02:34] <Rene_S> Well, after 7 months and around 40 Distro's my great Linux search has come to an end.
[02:37] <Rene_S> Guess no one really cares that i found a distro i am gonna stick with
[02:37] <sm> congrats Rene_S :)
[02:37] <sm> 40 was a bit of overkill, don't you think
[02:38] <Rene_S> No, I went through language, big and small distro's and specialty ones
[02:38] <Phr0stByte> heh
[02:38] <sm> it was basically debian or ubuntu, no ? :)
[02:38] <Rene_S> Yeah thats what it kept comming down to in the end
[02:38] <Rene_S> decided that rpm based distro's werent that nice for me
[02:39] <usual> rpm sucks
[02:39] <Rene_S> I am amazed at how creative people are sometimes
[02:40] <Phr0stByte> Mandrake's urpmi is getting pretty good, but not as good as apt yet...
[02:40] <Rene_S> Looked at Kurumin this morning, if they had a good english version it would really rock.
[02:42] <_|Imanewbie|_> Night folks
[02:44] <Rene_S> All thats left now is for me to convert the wife and all will be swell here
[02:44] <Gwildor> still trying to do that?
[02:44] <Rene_S> Yeah, she hasn't even looked at the live cd yet, once she does I think its a done deal
[02:44] <Gwildor> hmmmm
[02:45] <Gwildor> make her.....slip it in her computer, start it up...she will have no choice BUT to see it
[02:45] <Gwildor> Phr0stByte, and sleep on the couch
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> nah
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> I went to Korea and got a good one
[02:46] <Rene_S> I am sure over her Xmas holidays it will be done, she has 10 days off.  If i cant convert her I am getting a room in a boarding house and calling a lawyer
[02:46] <Phr0stByte> I think I'll keep this one
[02:46] <vigilanty667> hey, in burning a data iso to a CD-RW, should I use mode 1, or mode 2/XA?
[02:46] <sm> does anyone know how to make udev set up /cdrom symlinks ?
[02:47] <sm>  /dev/cdrom I mean
[02:47] <Phr0stByte> vigilanty667: mode 1
[02:48] <vigilanty667> ok
[02:51] <Phr0stByte> vigilanty667: It might even be easier if you just copy all the files you want to burn to burn:/// and then hit the button that says "burn to CD"
[02:51] <g0d> is anyone having problems with GTK?
[02:51] <K-otiK> when i start gedit from terminal i get  Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[02:51] <K-otiK> does anyone know whats causing this?
[02:54] <Gwildor> i am on hoary, how terriblw would it be if i got roxpinboard from the debian repos?
[02:56] <usual> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=18486&file1=18486-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Ubuntu+GDM+Theme
[02:57] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: I believe the pinboard feature is part of rox filer, which AFAIK only needs 2 debs - in fact I have them here if you're interested
[02:57] <Rene_S> eww eww, I want that
[02:57] <thoreauputic> but I'm on dialup so it could be a slow transfer
[02:57] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, slow is fine, if its fine with you....but could you help me set those up (if i need it) after they are done?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: It's been a while, but I think I could try, yeah
[02:58] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, do you use it?
[02:58] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, do you use it?
[02:58] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: not the pinboard, but the filer, yes
[02:59] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, you will be sending me pinboard as well?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: I tried the pinboard, but it didn't suit my needs
[02:59] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: as I said, it's part of rox filer
[02:59] <vigilanty667> i'm burnin ubuntu install iso to a cd-rw...
[03:00] <vigilanty667> and trying to install it on my hp pavilion 4400 laptop.
[03:04] <vigilanty667> i need help doing so.
[03:16] <TonyK> Is the sources.list that comes with ubuntu the best source to use for adding apps.
[03:16] <Gwildor> YES
[03:16] <Gwildor> dont use any others
[03:16] <TonyK> Should I just un comment the lines that have # in front of them.
[03:17] <TonyK> At present I only have the CD lines uncommented
[03:18] <Rene_S> That would probably work best
[03:18] <Rene_S> Comment the CD line and uncomment the rest
[03:18] <illustre> does gnucash come with ubuntu ?
[03:18] <TonyK> OK.  Thanks for the information
[03:19] <Rene_S> Expect my bill in the mail :)
[03:19] <TonyK> Ha Ha.
[03:21] <Rene_S> illustre, not as part of the initial install, however it can be downloaded
[03:21] <vigilanty667> anybody know how to install ubuntu using the failsafe option?
[03:21] <Rene_S> Can't say that I have ever had to use that option
[03:22] <illustre> Rene_S: k
[03:22] <vigilanty667> most haven't...
[03:22] <vigilanty667> but I'm having probs gettin the install to fully work on this laptop of mine.
[03:22] <Rene_S> I guess my answer to you is NO then.  Perhaps someone else has tried it
[03:23] <vigilanty667> hmmm...
[03:23] <Rene_S> I dont use a laptop, dont even own one yet.
[03:23] <vigilanty667> i've read reviews that some have gotten this os to go on a machine even better than this one...
[03:23] <vigilanty667> so I know it has to work.
[03:23] <vigilanty667> tell me somethin though.
[03:24] <vigilanty667> would u recommend I have the system connected to the net during installation?
[03:24] <marsjays> how much gnome is ubuntu? are there for example any qt application, or is everything gtk/gnome?
[03:24] <Rene_S> Its all Gnome all the time
[03:25] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: yes, have an internet connection and any network connected
[03:25] <Rene_S> You can install the qt stuff
[03:25] <vigilanty667> i did once...
[03:25] <vigilanty667> then the install would freeze on a pakage called cupsys
[03:26] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: was your printer connected?
[03:26] <vigilanty667> no
[03:27] <thoreauputic> well, that's the printer system (Common Unix Printing System) CUPS
[03:27] <vigilanty667> unh hunh
[03:27] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: so if you have a printer, have it connected as well
[03:27] <vigilanty667> i don't have one.
[03:28] <thoreauputic> OK, well I don't know then.
[03:28] <vigilanty667> is there a way to bypass cups
[03:28] <vigilanty667> ?
[03:28] <thoreauputic> possibly it was hunting for a network printer
[03:31] <illustre> heheh i am reading this in linuxgazzete
[03:31] <vigilanty667> so should I just leave it be when I think it freezes?
[03:31] <illustre> I'm waiting for my Ubuntu cds to arrive :)
[03:32] <vigilanty667> Ahhh well...
[03:32] <vigilanty667> gonna retry this installation one late tym
[03:32] <vigilanty667> bye.
[03:33] <thoreauputic> vigilanty667: depends how long you define as a freeze, I guess
[03:33] <thoreauputic> sometimes things are happening and you can't tell
[03:39] <hypegt> anyone here run Ubuntu on a Thinkpad by chance?
[03:41] <LinuxJones> evening everybody
[03:43] <Rene_S> Hola Mr Jones
[03:43] <LinuxJones> hi Rene_S
[03:44] <LinuxJones> quiet here tonight which is very strange, people must be out paying homage to Santa :D
[03:45] <linux_galore> welcome to Santa  Linux..heh heh
[03:45] <LinuxJones> :)
[03:46] <linux_galore> ho ho ho what distribution would you like this year
[03:46] <LinuxJones> linux_galore, Santa is vapor-ware Linux is not :)
[03:47] <thoreauputic> linux_galore: Santa would no doubt like Red Hat ;)
[03:47] <Rene_S> No Mr Jones there is a Santa Claus
[03:48] <LinuxJones> thoreauputic, Santa only delivers Ubuntu cd's
[03:49] <thoreauputic> ..and he sacked the dwarves, moved to the South Pole, and now has penguins administering his network...
[03:49] <Rene_S> As if he would need anything more
[03:50] <thoreauputic> LinuxJones: indeed, his philosophy would fit Ubuntu better than Redhat :)
[03:51] <Rene_S> And for a man who built his whole legend around speed Redhat would cause some problems
[03:51] <thoreauputic> hehe
[03:51] <SantaClause> HoHoHo Merry Christmas, Ubuntu CD's for Who in Who-Ville !!
[03:52] <nomasteryoda> i am stilll waiting on my ubuntu ordered month ago
[03:52] <Rene_S> It took mine a while to get here they only arrived last week
[03:53] <SantaClause> now we need someeone to change their name to the Grinch so I can convince them that Ubuntu is like really cool ??
[03:53] <SantaClause> heh
[03:54] <Scrooge> Bah, Humbug!
[03:55] <SantaClause> Scrooge what can Santa bring you to make that frown turn upsidedown ??
[03:55] <Scrooge> hrmph
[03:55] <Scrooge> something faster than 56k would be nice... ;)
[03:56] <SantaClause> Scrooge, I am sorry There is no Santa :(
[03:56] <LinuxJones> I tried
[03:57] <thoreauputic> it's the thought that counts... hoho
[03:57] <LinuxJones> ho ho ho
[03:57] <LinuxJones> :D
[03:58] <thoreauputic> @_@
[03:58] <thoreauputic> :D
[03:59] <Rene_S> 274 people in here and only 3 of us are chatting
[03:59] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, ya it is very strange
[04:00] <Rene_S> Well imagine if all of use here were talking at once
[04:00] <LinuxJones> Rene_S, your from Canada ?
[04:00] <jdub> LinuxJones: don't accuse people of being canadian ;-)
[04:01] <LinuxJones> jdub, what is wrong with that MATE :)
[04:01] <LinuxJones> jdub, can I pm you ?
[04:01] <LinuxJones> jsut for a sec ?
[04:01] <Rene_S> I am from Canada
[04:02] <Rene_S> there aint nothing wrong with that
[04:02] <LinuxJones> Rene_S,  from monteal ?
[04:02] <jdub> LinuxJones: sure
[04:02] <LinuxJones> err Montreal
[04:02] <Rene_S> Its not like being from lets say ... Hunduras, or Iraq or someplace
[04:02] <Rene_S> No like i said I am Canadian hehe
[04:03] <thoreauputic> could be worse - you could be from Australia...
[04:03] <LinuxJones> Rene I am from Cape Breton :D
[04:04] <Rene_S> Your part of Canada then
[04:04] <avdd> jdub: hi jeff
[04:04] <avdd> jdub: you in sydney atm?
[04:04] <Rene_S> and I even consider Newfies Canadian
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: dude!
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: yeah
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: but, er, not for long :)
[04:04] <jdub> avdd: got a landline?
[04:04] <avdd> jdub: haha, jetsetter
[04:04] <thoreauputic> tvon|x31: mate, i prefer to ride a jet propelled wombat...
[04:05] <jdub> avdd: leaving for spain in 4 hours ;)
[04:05] <xf_> jdub: you been recieving my emails/private messages, or is there a reason i'm perhaps being ignored?
[04:05] <Rene_S> Notice:  Canada is closing were moving to Europe and we are taking Alaska with us and leaving you Quebec
[04:05] <jdub> xf_: been in and out a lot, haven't even got to all of those yet, let alone email :)
[04:06] <jdub> xf_: oh, but i did see your mail
[04:06] <xf_> ok, no problems, please do when you get time
[04:06] <avdd> jdub: so does ubuntu want to support 2-year-old VAIOs?
[04:06] <LinuxJones> mmm
[04:06] <jdub> avdd: sure!
[04:06] <avdd> my VAIO couldn't even *read* the live CD ;-)
[04:06] <avdd> i haven't tried the install CD yet
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> VAIO sucks
[04:07] <avdd> nomasteryoda: I hear you brother
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> install doesn/t work either
[04:07] <usual> bah
[04:07] <gen> sony sucks
[04:07] <thu> the light vaios are kinda neat
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> even can't boot from foppy with it
[04:07] <jdub> avdd: we do have it running on a number of models
[04:07] <nomasteryoda> nice, but crap for such as we need
[04:07] <jdub> avdd: but i hear the earlier ones are pretty scary
[04:07] <xf_> jdub: i just want to touch base with you what you're thinking of for lca
[04:08] <jdub> xf_: hopefully you will see and hear me over the wire once i'm in spain :)
[04:08] <avdd> firewire DVD/CD was a bad idea IMO
[04:08] <xf_> happyt hat we're evidently going to be using fluendo, though
[04:08] <jdub> xf_: matar is a test case for lca
[04:08] <xf_> nod.  i'd love to hear of your experiences with it
[04:08] <jdub> it's pretty rad
[04:08] <xf_> indeed
[04:08] <jdub> i was streaming from my shitty dsl last week
[04:08] <jdub> going to have the fluendo guys to work with while in spain, so should be good prep
[04:08] <xf_> nice. sounds good
[04:09] <jdub> xf_: i have roughly zero plans for post-conference dvdisation
[04:09] <xf_> there's some possible annodex stuff being readied for the final content, btw
[04:09] <xf_> imagine being able to see slides while watching a video, and being able to skip to sections
[04:09] <xf_> et al
[04:09] <jdub> xf_: basically, i want to save the stream, and get it annodexed, but i haven't been thinking about that bit much
[04:09] <jdub> good, good
[04:09] <jdub> haha
[04:09] <xf_> ok, well, this can work out, we're both attacking this from different angles
[04:09] <xf_> when you get a chance, we should talk
[04:09] <jdub> i've been hammering k and sylvia about dexing it :)
[04:09] <xf_> heh, same :p
[04:09] <jdub> awesome
[04:10] <jdub> APPLE: JUST SAY NO!
[04:10] <jdub> :-)
[04:10] <xf_> it'll be nice working with somebody on this
[04:10] <xf_> my emails to the lca list about this have has little to no responses
[04:10] <jdub> you know our ppc cds are specially sharpened?
[04:10] <jdub> yeah, same
[04:10] <xf_> i'm not sure because it's either because i'm too verbose, or nobody cares
[04:10] <jdub> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1101881019
[04:10] <jdub> i don't think they want the responsibility
[04:10] <xf_> no, they don't, which is fine, but they haven't communicated what they want
[04:11] <jdub> so i've tried to organise things so they don't have to worry at all
[04:11] <xf_> i tried to do that last year but it wasn't terribly liked
[04:11] <xf_> long story short, streaming didn't end up happening.  this is a way cooler solution anyway, being oss and all
[04:11] <jdub> different team :)
[04:11] <xf_> what codecs are you planning on using for the rtsp stuff?
[04:11] <xf_> ogg (theora/vorbis)?
[04:12] <jdub> yeah
[04:12] <xf_> nice
[04:12] <jdub> possibly speex
[04:12] <xf_> are there mature players for win32/linux/osx?  i guess linux is a given, really
[04:12] <jdub> but we can do multiple streams
[04:12] <jdub> there are plugins for windows things
[04:12] <xf_> ah, interesting
[04:12] <jdub> and real does all the ogg stuff
[04:12] <jdub> on windows too, i'm pretty sure
[04:12] <LinuxJones> jdub,  do you have a min ?
[04:12] <xf_> i haven't hacked at either gstreamer or annodex, but i do know there's annodex support being developed for gstreamer
[04:12] <jdub> LinuxJones: yeah
[04:12] <xf_> considering the annodex guys are writing browser plugins to allow custom players and such, i wonder what possibilities there are
[04:13] <xf_> multiple streams at /once/, maybe
[04:13] <xf_> once can dream, though
[04:13] <jdub> xf_: annodex/gstreamer dude (jan schmidt) is going to work for fluendo, too ;)
[04:13] <xf_> oh, nice
[04:13] <xf_> he's a annodex/gstreamer dude?  didn't even know, he was a cameraman last year
[04:14] <xf_> again, when you get a chance, shoot me an email, work out what's happening
[04:14] <xf_> sounds like we've been doing a lot of each other's research
[04:14] <jdub> yeah
[04:14] <binbrain> whats the big deal with ubuntu?
[04:15] <binbrain> its catching on like crazy
[04:15] <jdub> kinda easy between being in the sydney crowd with the annodex crew and gnome with the fluendo crew :)
[04:15] <jdub> binbrain: it rocks pretty hard )
[04:15] <jdub> :)
[04:15] <nixboy> anyone tell me how i setup the user/password used in gnome to access widows shared drives. I am able to access shared drives directly by using the nautilus "open location". However i cannot do it by just clicking on the found network .
[04:15] <xf_> heh, nod
[04:15] <binbrain> its a modified debian right? why can't the enhancements just be added to debian?
[04:15] <jdub> binbrain: they are, in many cases
[04:15] <xf_> it'll be awesome to see this stuff develop, really
[04:15] <jdub> it's a branch of debian sid with a six-month time-based release process
[04:16] <xf_> i remember quicktime promising this kind of crap years ago, but they never delivered
[04:16] <binbrain> so what diffs ubuntu from debian. just make the changes to debian
[04:16] <jdub> with applicable changes going back to debian, etc.
[04:16] <binbrain> but why do they need to go back
[04:16] <malaclyps> binbrain, difference release process
[04:16] <xf_> oh, by the way
[04:16] <nixboy> anyone can help with ubuntu browsing widows shared folders ?
[04:16] <jdub> binbrain: it's a branch with a predictable release process and community structure
[04:16] <binbrain> why not just add them to ubuntu in the first place
[04:16] <binbrain> ok
[04:16] <binbrain> release process is more structured
[04:16] <xf_> i've started building asterisk deb's for ubuntu, because i've noticed there aren't any in warty
[04:17] <xf_> it's a given i'll maintain some third party apt source, but is there opportunities for community members to become package maintainers?
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: yes, totally
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: see the website
[04:17] <xf_> and of course, the policies to do so, etc (i assume it mirrors closely debians)
[04:17] <xf_> ah, cool, cheers
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: are you basing these on the source in warty or hoary?
[04:17] <xf_> i'm basing it off the sid package, actually, didn't even realise there was source in ubuntu
[04:17] <jdub> xf_: probably best to focus on hoary, so you can get a kickarse asterisk into the release
[04:18] <xf_> ok, cool, will do
[04:18] <jdub> xf_: main+universe+multiverse == main+contrib+non-free :-)
[04:18] <jdub> xf_: source and all
[04:18] <xf_> ah, nice
[04:18] <binbrain> why couldn't the release process be improved with debian?
[04:18] <binbrain> instead of branching debian to have a more structured release cycle
[04:20] <jdub> binbrain: huge project, massive inertia, etc.
[04:20] <jdub> binbrain: ubuntu just has a different focus
[04:21] <thoreauputic> binbrain: the aims are entirely different, and Debian has many architectures to deal with
[04:21] <jdub> binbrain: applying that to debian would damage it somewhat :)
[04:21] <binbrain> im not trying to put ubuntu down. Gnomer's seem to love it
[04:21] <bronson_> Is anybody using Hoary having problems with key repeat?
[04:22] <bronson_> Mine goes fast for about 3/4 of a sec, then slows down again.
[04:22] <bronson_> Makes scrolling a right pain.
[04:22] <binbrain> should I take Debian off of my ibook and put Ubuntu on? :)
[04:22] <nixboy> anyone can help with nautilus browsing shared windows folders. I always get authentication failures. Nautilus never asks which user/passwd to use when it discovers windows network resources.i am able to see the resource by using the open location or even via command line smbclient.
[04:23] <jdub> binbrain: worth trying it
[04:23] <malaclyps> binbrain, there's a live CD version of ubuntu so you can try it out first
[04:23] <malaclyps> binbrain, i think there's a PPC version
[04:25] <jdub> there isn't a livecd for ppc though ;)
[04:26] <binbrain> ohhh
[04:26] <binbrain> no live CD aaa
[04:26] <binbrain> for PPC
[04:26] <eruin> livecd only gets you warty anyway ;>
[04:32] <Rene_S> In Xchat is there a way to sort channels when I do a /list ?
[04:32] <gumpish> why don't you ask in #xchat
[04:34] <Rene_S> I would have known to do that if I could have found the channel in the channel list :)
[04:35] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: right click menu "Window" > "Channel list"
[04:36] <Rene_S> yeah thanks, the problem is the list is messier than my sock drawer after my cat craps in it
[04:37] <tvon|x31> the list window is sortable by channel, users, topic and you can filter by regex
[04:37] <tvon|x31> I dont think your poopy sock drawer can do that
[04:37] <tvon|x31> unless its a really nice poopy sock drawer...like from ikea or something
[04:38] <Rene_S> Pier1
[04:38] <thoreauputic> cat /dev/drawer | grep -i clean sock
[04:38] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:38] <Rene_S> I am gonna steal that for my quit channel message
[04:39] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: yeah, it's GPL ;)
[04:39] <mroth> I never understood the frequency people use cat with a single file
[04:39] <mroth> do people just not like the < operator?
[04:39] <tvon|x31> and never with multiple files :)
[04:39] <thoreauputic> mroth: you missed the point of tthat cat, I fear ;)
[04:40] <mroth> no i got the joke, but it just reminded me
[04:40] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:40] <mroth> and i figured i might as well ask while im in a linux channel
[04:40] <Rene_S> oh cool that worked really nicely, thanks for the tip tvon|x31
[04:40] <tvon|x31> Rene_S: np
[04:41] <thoreauputic> I believe there's an award for the most gratuitous use of "cat" :D
[04:41] <mroth> have you ever seen 'dog'?
[04:41] <mroth> someone made a cat replacement named dog and the whatis line is "dog -- better than cat"
[04:41] <nevyn> heh
[04:41] <tvon|x31> ah...geeks
[04:42] <thoreauputic> mroth: hehe... another subject for a Holy War!
[04:42] <nevyn> it supports http.
[04:42] <mroth> yeah, my dog coding in emacs on his VMS system is much better than your cat coding in vi on his unix
[04:42] <Rene_S> If user owns = cat then printf "I need a Dog" ; else Dogs are cool
[04:43] <mroth> i guess we could work perl vs python in there somewhere too
[04:43] <thoreauputic> in man mutt under "bugs" it says " None.  Mutts have fleas, not bugs."
[04:43] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:43] <mroth> haha
[04:43] <Rene_S> thats funny
[04:47] <Rene_S> If I catch my cat typing on this computer again i am deleting his profile
[04:49] <robertj> Is there any documentation about pxe netbooting ubuntu for running purposes, not for installation?
[04:54] <thoreauputic> Rene_S: easy:  dog .profile > /dev/null  ;-)
[04:54] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[04:54] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:58] <nixboy> anyone installed the freenx server in ubuntu ? googling revealed the kalyxo repository is unavailable since it was compromised. any help ?
[05:02] <Rene_S> nixboy try there site the posted new links to repo's
[05:03] <Rene_S> it shows freenx version 0.2.7-1
[05:09] <amathis> where was the nvidia driver howto?
[05:09] <amathis> the documentation search on the website returns nothing
[05:10] <Rene_S> its on the wiki i think
[05:10] <marsjays> i just dist-upgraded to hoary, and now X wont work correctly.. i have a savage DDR something graphics adapter, and i am using the savage driver.
[05:14] <thoreauputic> amathis: try searching for binary driver ( I seem to recall it's something like that)
[05:14] <Rene_S> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#installnvidiadriver
[05:14] <Rene_S> try that
[05:14] <amathis> thoreauputic: found it in wiki :)
[05:14] <amathis> I was looking in support - > doc
[05:18] <DaNeon> hi!
[05:19] <DaNeon> hello?
[05:19] <Roshbo> hello
[05:19] <DaNeon> hey people... how can i install win4lin in ubuntu... i have the rpm's :S
[05:20] <wig> anyone familiar with lucent winmodems?
[05:21] <gen> you ask this everyday wig
[05:21] <DaNeon> is there a way to open rpm's in ubuntu?
[05:21] <Rene_S> wig, try www.rogers.com   heh
[05:21] <DaNeon> wig
[05:22] <DaNeon> linmodems.org (i think)
[05:22] <wig> DaNeon, tried it.
[05:22] <wig> gen, lol, i know :-P
[05:22] <gen> all the time you've spent trying to get it work...just buy an external hardware modem
[05:22] <wig> ogra helped me a bit, but he's never on when i am
[05:22] <wig> gen, believe it or not, i STILL have no money. ;)
[05:23] <gen> i believe it
[05:23] <gen> :)
[05:23] <amathis> please don't tell me I shouldn't, but how do you enable 'su'
[05:23] <amathis> instead of sudo
[05:23] <DaNeon> wig, http://www.heby.de/ltmodem
[05:23] <amathis> I have already heard the speel about which is better..
[05:23] <wig> DaNeon, that one too i've tried. i more need help with the techincal stuff of it.
[05:23] <Rene_S> sudo passwd root
[05:23] <DaNeon> ok
[05:23] <Rene_S> then enter a password
[05:24] <amathis> ok
[05:24] <amathis> thanks
[05:24] <Rene_S> then you can su all ya want
[05:24] <wig> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6725
[05:24] <DaNeon> has anyone installed win4lin on ubuntu?
[05:26] <Rene_S> no, but since you have a rpm i would suspect you could download alien and convert it to a deb
[05:27] <Eagle102> Hello Everyone, I want to know is Ubuntu faster then fedora core on boot and usage?
[05:28] <Rene_S> No idea, I just run it
[05:28] <DaNeon> hehehe
[05:29] <mead> It boots faster, but I havent noticed a big difference in regular usage
[05:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> Eagle102: it depends, the answer for this question is MU
[05:30] <subterrific> Eagle102: its a ton faster than core 1
[05:30] <Eagle102> what about core 3
[05:31] <subterrific> no idea, i never made it past core 1. yum and rpm annoyed me too much
[05:31] <mead> apt4rpm makes fedora a decent distro. But connectiva is the company that came up with it.
[05:32] <subterrific> it still isn't as nice as debian imo
[05:32] <mead> I used core3 for awhile, its not bad.  I have only been using ubuntu today so far so I cant really talk about the differences too much.
[05:33] <Eagle102> mead: What do you think of ubuntu?
[05:33] <subterrific> oh, and my core 1 install got screwed when i tried to use yum to upgrade it to core 2
[05:33] <marsjays> anyone got a savage graphics adapter and using x.org?
[05:34] <gen> savage haha
[05:34] <subterrific> apparently they linked rpm to a different version of libdb and it couldn't read the rpm db
[05:34] <mead> I like it so far, its clean and small.  Im not a huge fan of gnome, but im gonna use it for awhile anyway so I can become proficient
[05:34] <nixboy> Rene_S, who is they ?
[05:36] <mead> I like Ubuntu a lot more than I liked Mepis when I tried it earlier.  I want to give a debian based distro a try.  Other than using Knoppix as a rescue disc for fixing other peoples computers, or when i need to be somewhere I only have the option of windows Ive never used debian.
[05:37] <Rene_S> nixboy, umm i lost ya someplace
[05:39] <nixboy> Rene_S, i mentioned i could not find the kalyxo repos. and you answered with a new link .. wich i cannot find for the life of me :-(
[05:39] <Rene_S> www.kalyxo.org
[05:39] <Rene_S> go there
[05:39] <Rene_S> they have 2 listed
[05:39] <nixboy> that is down ! you get redirected to freedesktop
[05:40] <Rene_S> hang on
[05:40] <Rene_S> deb http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/ staging main
[05:40] <Rene_S> deb http://archive.kalyxo.org/kalyxo/ experimental main
[05:41] <Rene_S> add those to your source.list
[05:41] <Rene_S> then update your apt-get or synaptic or whatever ya use
[05:42] <nixboy> Rene_S, may i ask how you got those links ?
[05:42] <Rene_S> http://www.kalyxo.org/
[05:42] <Rene_S> like in the last 30 seconds
[05:43] <Rene_S> google still says there down but click on the link it works for me
[05:43] <nixboy> Rene_S, i have been using the links with no www tow !
[05:44] <Rene_S> ah
[05:44] <nixboy> kalyxo.org takes you to freedesktop
[05:44] <Rene_S> I see
[05:44] <nixboy> mea culpa
[05:44] <Rene_S> crap happens
[05:44] <Rene_S> your welcome
[05:44] <Rene_S> watch your mail for my bill
[05:47] <nixboy> Rene_S, you tha man !
[05:48] <nixboy> i finally installed it .. runing to windows to see my ubuntu desktop.
[05:48] <embsupafly> I have a question, when I ran the live CD I was able to see my windows partitions and access them. Now that I have installed Ubuntu alongside my WINXP partition, how do I stay logged into Ubuntu yet access the files on my windows partition
[05:49] <DaNeon> you may need to edit fstab
[05:50] <embsupafly> ok so I can mount the windows partition???, how do I know what parameters to enter for my winxp partition
[05:50] <mead> is it fat32 or ntfs?
[05:50] <embsupafly> NTFS
[05:50] <DaNeon> mead, good point!
[05:51] <embsupafly> is NTFS still experimental
[05:51] <embsupafly> I was able to access it off of the live Ubuntu cCD
[05:51] <DaNeon> read only
[05:51] <mead> ntfs write support is, read should be ok, but im not sure if ubuntu has it in the kernel.  Ive just been using for today so far someone else will have to answer that
[05:52] <embsupafly> ok, so how would i know what parameters to enter into /etc/fstab for the windows partition
[05:53] <Xenguy> I hope this wind0ze oriented question doesn't upset anyone here unduly - but it is with respect to an intended Ubu installation... Is there any reason that I should not use PartitionMagic 6.0 to convert a NTFS partition at work to FAT32 (so that I can read this file system from the Ubu installation I plan to do on a separate partition) ?
[05:54] <Xenguy> just looking for feedback
[05:54] <mead> other than it being easier to set ubuntu to read the ntfs partition in the first place?  Or do you want to be able to write to it as well?
[05:55] <Xenguy> mead: yes I want to be able to have write access to my partitions - but I am concerned that converting to FAT*** may have disadvantages
[05:55] <mead> ahh
[05:55] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: if you only need read access, no need to change from ntfs
[05:56] <mead> that i couldnt tell you, I havent used windows for years so im not sure about the sideffects of doing that
[05:56] <Xenguy> thoreauputic: I see read-only access as crippled honestly
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: ah sorry - slow typing
[05:56] <thoreauputic> Xenguy: yes, agreed
[05:57] <Xenguy> I assume that FAT** filesystems are in some respects less efficient than NTFS (but I'm not up on the exact details)
[05:57] <linux_galore> hmm
[05:57] <Rene_S> nixboy, no problem just dont ask me how it works hehe
[05:58] <embsupafly> Rene_S: what did you have nixboy install?
[05:58] <linux_galore> aaaah thank god it Saturday
[05:59] <embsupafly> ok, so how would i know what parameters to enter into /etc/fstab for the windows partition
[06:00] <linux_galore> http://www.linux.cu/documentos/RedHat/gsg/s1-q-and-a-windows.htm
[06:01] <linux_galore> naaaw thats crap
[06:01] <linux_galore> sorry
[06:01] <linux_galore> link
[06:02] <embsupafly> go another one linux_galore, also you state it is Saturday, where are you
[06:03] <linux_galore> http://www.collegelinux.org/docs.php?jedi=view&id=1073476562
[06:03] <linux_galore> thats a better link more verbose and easy to read
[06:04] <Rene_S> embsupafly, he need freenx
[06:04] <embsupafly> can someone at least tell me how to find out what partition my windows is on
[06:04] <Rene_S> embsupafly, needed actually
[06:04] <linux_galore> embsupafly: usually windows is on hda1
[06:05] <K-otiK> does anyone know of a imap client that is terminal based for ubuntu?
[06:05] <embsupafly> linux_galore: thanks
[06:06] <embsupafly> Rene_S: what is Freenx, go a URL?
[06:06] <linux_galore> K-otiK: mutt
[06:06] <K-otiK> thanks
[06:07] <embsupafly> linux_galore: not hda1, any way to list all of the partitions
[06:08] <linux_galore> http://www.mutt.org/
[06:08] <linux_galore> embsupafly: ooh  df -Th
[06:08] <mead> is fdisk or cdisk installed in ubuntu?
[06:08] <defendguin> has anyone seen punkass?
[06:09] <linux_galore> embsupafly: but df will only list mounted partitions your after a partition not mounted right........your going to have to use fdisk
[06:10] <embsupafly> what tags/switches with fdisk
[06:10] <lil_anthony> can someone help me i changed my sudoers file trying to allow certain users to mount my network drives without a password prompt but obviously i screwed something up and can nolonger sudo at all when i type sudo i get a parse error on line 22 aka the line i added. i can't open the file to edit it any help would be great
[06:10] <linux_galore> embsupafly:   man fdisk
[06:11] <embsupafly> duh!!!!! Forgot to remember that Linux actually has its documentation built in :-)
[06:12] <linux_galore> embsupafly: fdisk -l
[06:12] <linux_galore> heh heh
[06:15] <SvenG> lil_anthony: which command did you use and how did you use it?  what is the resulting /etc/sudoers file?  can yo reproduce it?  can you become root via sudo?  how about "sudo bash"?
[06:15] <embsupafly> ok, got the windows partition mounted, but i did it as root, i need to do again as my user, but when i try to unmount it so I can remount it, it echos back: device is busy
[06:15] <SuperQ> hey.. anyone know how to adjust hotplug to fix a USB setting?
[06:16] <linux_galore> embsupafly: cd out of the directory that windows is mounted also make sure nothing is open in the windows directory and the umount  /path/to/windows
[06:17] <SuperQ> ubuntu is the only distro that detects my external USB burner as a USB/IDE bridge
[06:17] <lil_anthony> well i accidently edited it using gedit i didn't know you were only to do it visudo
[06:17] <SuperQ> everything else detects the drive attached to the USB/IDE bridge
[06:17] <lil_anthony> well i get a parse error now but i can't find a way to open it up to fix it
[06:17] <linux_galore> SuperQ: it is a USB/IDE bridge if its an external hardisk
[06:18] <SuperQ> linux_galore: it's a USB/IDE box with a Lite-On DVD+-RW drive
[06:18] <Lev> jdub, has ironwolf been on tonight, do you know?
[06:18] <SuperQ> linux_galore: fedora/gentoo detect it as a LITE-ON, but ubuntu's hotplug config thinks it's a USB/IDE bridge
[06:19] <Vigilanty> hey hey...
[06:19] <SuperQ> sup
[06:19] <Vigilanty> I'm finally up and runnin with ubuntu.
[06:19] <wig> anyone familiar with lucent winmodems?
[06:19] <gen> please stop wig :/
[06:19] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: congrats
[06:19] <Vigilanty> yep
[06:19] <embsupafly> after you make a change to /etc/fstab how to you get it to refresh
[06:19] <wig> gen, never know who might be familiar with them
[06:19] <Vigilanty> now i just need a few apps...
[06:19] <gen> err
[06:20] <Vigilanty> i need a dvd and mp3 player, windows media player...
[06:20] <Vigilanty> cd burner
[06:20] <SuperQ> linux_galore: any ideas
[06:21] <lil_anthony> SvenG: any idea?
[06:21] <Vigilanty> any links where I can find compiled apps for this os?
[06:22] <linux_galore> SuperQ: sure ubuntu hasnt mounted the device already
[06:22] <SuperQ> linux_galore: no.. it's a CD Burner, with no disks in it
[06:22] <SuperQ> linux_galore: i don't know enough about hotplug to fix it
[06:22] <Vigilanty> what dvd player should I use with ubuntu?
[06:22] <SuperQ> linux_galore: and i'm too drunk to read the docs right now
[06:23] <linux_galore> SuperQ: so have you tried puting a CD/DVD in the device and seeing if ubuntu mounts it
[06:23] <|^JaMeS^|> drinking and linux-ing don't mix
[06:23] <SuperQ> i konw
[06:23] <SuperQ> but i'm here
[06:23] <Vigilanty> lol
[06:23] <embsupafly> refresh after a change to /etc/fstab??? any ideas
[06:24] <linux_galore> SuperQ:   dmesg -c before you put the cd in then type  dmesg  after you have put a cd in the drive
[06:24] <SuperQ> linux_galore: well.. since it doesn't detect it as a CD drive
[06:24] <SuperQ> linux_galore: i won't be able to burn disks
[06:24] <linux_galore> SuperQ: how do you know...ubuntu might not do anything unless there is media there
[06:25] <Vigilanty> what's a good dvd player for ubuntu?
[06:25] <SuperQ> linux_galore: right.. but if it's blank media
[06:25] <gen> mplayer
[06:25] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: player app?
[06:25] <linux_galore> SuperQ: should still mount
[06:25] <Vigilanty> yes
[06:25] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: mplayer should work if you folow the wiki instructions to get decess libs
[06:25] <Vigilanty> or plugin...
[06:25] <linux_galore> I use mplayer or Theodora
[06:25] <Vigilanty> unh hunh
[06:25] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: you need to get some not-so-leagal plugins for it
[06:26] <Vigilanty> ok
[06:26] <Vigilanty> from where?
[06:26] <SuperQ> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:26] <SuperQ> read that wiki page
[06:26] <Vigilanty> k
[06:26] <gen> you get to compile it yourself, hooray
[06:26] <SuperQ> anyway
[06:26] <SuperQ> *sigh*
[06:26] <SuperQ> this hotplug problem is anoying
[06:27] <linux_galore> could always buy powerdvd for Linux then be 100% legal
[06:27] <gen> powerdvd haha
[06:27] <gen> superq, what hotplug problem
[06:27] <nevyn> linux_galore: problem is that it isn't good.
[06:28] <SuperQ> gen: detecting an external burner as a USB/IDE bridge
[06:28] <Rene_S> Quick solution to Hotplug problems:  Pour Cold water on it, that should cool it off
[06:28] <oak> totem-xine package i have found also works very nicely
[06:29] <SuperQ> hrm
[06:29] <linux_galore> nevyn: aaah Ive never had to use it
[06:30] <nevyn> linux_galore: mplayer is significantly better at output and supports all the crazy stuff. like MGA_vid
[06:30] <linux_galore> nevyn: tell me about it I use mplayer for everything
[06:31] <Vigilanty> how do i download and install those packages?
[06:31] <Rene_S> Oh common now , my Hotplug solution was great.  Not even a little chuckle
[06:32] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: you need to use synaptic package manager
[06:32] <SuperQ> Vigilanty: under computer, system config
[06:34] <Vigilanty> yeah, then?
[06:37] <lil_anthony> dang how in the heck do you login as root with ubuntu? i screwed up my sudoers file and when i do ctrl alt f1 and type root and enter the password that i have used for sudo ever since i have used this system doesn't appear to work
[06:37] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: DOH!
[06:37] <tvon|x31> there is no root login with ubuntu
[06:37] <tvon|x31> unless you gave root a password
[06:38] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: ubuntu disables root account by default
[06:38] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: sudo is the only way
[06:38] <lil_anthony> i can't sudo
[06:38] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: you will have to boot from CD and recover the sudoers file
[06:38] <embsupafly> unless you set a root password
[06:38] <SuperQ> embsupafly: right.
[06:38] <tvon|x31> boot to single user mode
[06:38] <nevyn> lil_anthony: you can't sudo?
[06:38] <Rene_S> Root is so overrated, I use a John account
[06:38] <tvon|x31> append "single" to the grub prompt
[06:38] <lil_anthony> right i can't sudo
[06:39] <lil_anthony> ok so put the cd in and what i'm only like 3 weeks old to linux sorry :(
[06:39] <tvon|x31> hit 'e' at the grub prompt, append 'single' to the kernel options
[06:39] <SuperQ> hey
[06:39] <nevyn> lil_anthony: what happens when you can't sudo?
[06:39] <SuperQ> what happens when you boot single user with ubuntu
[06:40] <SuperQ> does it ask for root?
[06:40] <lil_anthony> i get a parse error
[06:40] <nevyn> parse error?
[06:40] <lil_anthony> i got 5 people asking me different questions haha
[06:40] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: try rebooting with single user mode
[06:40] <lil_anthony> i can't keep up
[06:40] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: when you get to grub
[06:40] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: hit e for edit
[06:40] <lil_anthony> ok so i reboot
[06:40] <Rene_S> here anthony how many marbles fit into a jam jar. question 6
[06:40] <SuperQ> oh
[06:40] <wig> can you downgrade to kernel 2.4.22 on ubuntu?
[06:40] <SuperQ> no
[06:40] <lil_anthony> and when it says hit enter
[06:40] <SuperQ> sorry.. you want recovery mode
[06:41] <SuperQ> duh
[06:41] <nevyn> SuperQ: it'd be nice to know how sudo is failing before going to that extent.
[06:41] <SuperQ> lil_anthony: when you boot the PC, select recovery mode
[06:41] <nevyn> SuperQ: it's possible that pebkac
[06:41] <wig> can you downgrade ubuntu to 2.4.22?
[06:41] <SuperQ> nevyn: yea
[06:41] <SuperQ> wig: no
[06:42] <SuperQ> wig: ubuntu relies on udev, which is a 2.6 kernel thing
[06:42] <linux_galore> nevyn: you mean pebkam
[06:42] <wig> ok
[06:42] <linux_galore> hmm nope your right
[06:42] <nevyn> no.. pebkac
[06:42] <SuperQ> haha
[06:43] <nevyn> lil_anthony: so what happens when you type "sudo ls"
[06:43] <lil_anthony> anything with sudo i get the parse error
[06:43] <nevyn> linux_galore: keyboard and monitor are bits of the computer.
[06:43] <nevyn> what exactly is the error?
[06:43] <linux_galore> nevyn: actually looked it up on wtf and it said pebkac
[06:44] <nevyn> lil_anthony: did you edit /etc/sudoers ?
[06:44] <linux_galore> entry was added to wtf in 1998
[06:44] <lil_anthony> umm yes i did
[06:44] <nevyn> did you use visudo ?
[06:45] <kev_> Hey all
[06:45] <kev_> How do I specify a aplication to use OSS or alsa
[06:45] <kev_> OSS has pcm 1 and 2
[06:45] <kev_> and i need that becuase i need to have two applications running at the sametime
[06:45] <linux_galore> hmm
[06:45] <nevyn> lil_anthony: ?
[06:46] <nevyn> the parse error is that your sudoers is borked you'll need to reboot as SuperQ suggested unless you set a root password.
[06:46] <SuperQ> yep
[06:46] <SmokingFire> how do you delete a directory? rm -d <directory> doesn't work.
[06:46] <tvon|x31> rmdir
[06:47] <SmokingFire> ooh thanks
[06:47] <tvon|x31> You're quite welcome
[06:47] <SmokingFire> Were can I find Hoary Hog?
[06:47] <SmokingFire> I can't find it on the site.
[06:47] <tvon|x31> its not released yet
[06:47] <SmokingFire> And I want the iso not to update sources.list
[06:47] <tvon|x31> and its highly unstable
[06:47] <tvon|x31> volatile even
[06:47] <tomy> hi
[06:47] <tvon|x31> *dangerous*
[06:48] <SmokingFire> tvon|x31: I want to give a try anyway.
[06:48] <tvon|x31> "split town owing you $20" kinda dangerous
[06:48] <tvon|x31> even if it costs you $20?
[06:49] <kev_> Anyone here give me a hand on how you specify if you use alsa or oss?
[06:49] <tvon|x31> ISO's are somewhere on the site, I don't konw where exactly.  Check the ubuntu developers mailing list archives for links
[06:49] <SmokingFire> tvon|x31: ok will do
[06:51] <SmokingFire> ok I found it. It's here: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily/current/
[06:52] <tvon|x31> there ya go
[06:52] <Rene_S> I have the Hog. its penned up in my living room, 50 bucks and I can let ya look at him.
[06:52] <kev_> hrm
[06:52] <kev_> Anyone here help me getting two applications to use my sound card?
[06:53] <Vigilanty> i still can't get libdvdcss2
[06:53] <Vigilanty> help plz...
[06:54] <Rene_S> Did you try the instructions on the Ubuntu Wiki page ?
[06:54] <oak> did you add the repository to synaptic
[06:54] <Vigilanty> it didnt tell me how
[06:54] <oak> (or to sources.list)
[06:54] <Vigilanty> dunno how to add repository to it...
[06:55] <Rene_S> Open synaptic
[06:55] <oak> settings...repositories
[06:55] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: you wont find it on an official server your going to have to look on  www.google.com/linux for an unofficial debian server
[06:55] <Vigilanty> ok...
[06:56] <kev_> huh
[06:56] <kev_> this sucks :/
[06:56] <oak> when you add the repository
[06:56] <oak> put ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ for uri
[06:56] <oak> testing for distribution
[06:56] <oak> and main for section
[06:57] <oak> click reload
[06:57] <Rene_S> What sucks ?
[06:57] <kev_> I cannot get two programs to use one sound card
[06:57] <Rene_S> What 2 apps you having problems with Kev
[06:58] <kev_> teamspeak and quake3
[06:58] <tvon|x31> :q
[06:58] <kev_> i have even tried differnet sound cards
[06:58] <kev_> no help
[06:58] <Rene_S> Oh, I dont use either one of them.  Sorry
[06:58] <awtcmc> can anyone help with everest qdictionary?
[06:58] <kev_> In OSS under the voulme control there is PCM 1 and 2
[06:58] <Vigilanty> done
[06:58] <kev_> how do i specify something ot use OSS
[06:58] <Vigilanty> now what oak?
[06:59] <linux_galore> yuk@ OSS
[06:59] <oak> search for libdvd and install
[07:00] <kev_> under /dev/ i only have dsp not a dsp2
[07:01] <Rene_S> Who is peer ? and why is he resetting connections anyway ?
[07:02] <Vigilanty> all it did was found packages i already installed...
[07:02] <Vigilanty> so, this thing should play dvd's now?
[07:02] <oak> oh, have you downloaded a media player?
[07:03] <Vigilanty> i already have totem
[07:03] <oak> i found that the package totem-gnome does not work as well as totem-xine
[07:03] <Vigilanty> ok
[07:04] <Vigilanty> i didn't find totem-xine...
[07:04] <oak> you have to enable the universe repositories
[07:04] <arun--> how does fedora core 3 fonts look nice and sharp
[07:04] <Vigilanty> hunh?
[07:04] <oak> just click the greyed checkboxes in synaptic
[07:04] <oak> (in the settings...repositories)
[07:05] <oak> and then reload
[07:05] <awtcmc> can anyone help with everest qdictionary?
[07:05] <Rene_S> arun--, no idea, I always thought they looked the same as everyone elses
[07:06] <kev_> do you just change your stable to unstable in source.list and dist upgrade?
[07:06] <Vigilanty> still didn't find it.
[07:06] <Tsjoklat> kev_ no you change from warty to hoary
[07:06] <kev_> ok
[07:06] <kev_> thanks
[07:06] <oak> hmm
[07:06] <kev_> i guess ill try that for my sound
[07:06] <kev_> i dont get it
[07:06] <kev_> :/
[07:07] <Vigilanty> all i found was totem-gsreamer...
[07:07] <Vigilanty> and it's been installed.
[07:07] <Rene_S> Another Canadian who believed the Rogers commercials
[07:08] <Vigilanty> now what to do?
[07:08] <linux_galore> working with audio on Linux --> http://applications.linux.com/applications/04/10/28/2229232.shtml?tid=39&tid=49&tid=47
[07:08] <oak> does http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ appear in your repository list?
[07:10] <britt_radiofree> is spell checking working in oo.o for everyone (in latest hoary)?
[07:11] <Vigilanty> yes it does.
[07:11] <Vigilanty> several times.
[07:11] <oak> is the "universe" section enabled?
[07:11] <Rene_S> britt_radiofree, yes it works for me
[07:12] <Tsjoklat> main restricted universe multiverse
[07:12] <linux_galore> yeah spell checking works fine
[07:12] <Rene_S> omniverse, multiple linear extsitences
[07:12] <Vigilanty> what universe section?
[07:13] <britt_radiofree> seems gtkspell in general is not working ... I just switched my locale to es so maybe that has something to do with it?
[07:13] <oak> is everything "enabled" in that list of repositories?
[07:13] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree hoary? utf-8?
[07:13] <Rene_S> Probably have to download the language
[07:13] <Vigilanty> yes
[07:13] <oak> if it is have you clicked the "reload" button
[07:13] <Vigilanty> oh
[07:13] <Vigilanty> did now
[07:14] <oak> now search for totem-xine and install
[07:14] <oak> it will ask you to replace totem-gstreamer
[07:14] <Tsjoklat> cheer up Rene_S ignore is mandatory in here :P
[07:15] <Rene_S> Well I am an attention seeker I demand my 15 minutes of fame
[07:15] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, yes, hoary ... but ISO-8859-1, which was what was being used for en before
[07:15] <Vigilanty> ok...
[07:15] <Vigilanty> workin...
[07:15] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree and you didn't switch to utf-8 at all?
[07:15] <britt_radiofree> Rene_S, well I'm primarily interested in it checking english
[07:15] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, no, not that I'm aware of
[07:16] <Vigilanty> it had to remove ubuntu-desktop as well...
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree you could try ispell? (whatever you do don't switch to utf-8.. and yeah devs you may strangle me)
[07:16] <Rene_S> es what language is that ?
[07:16] <britt_radiofree> Rene_S, spanish
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> Spanish
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> Espania
[07:16] <Tsjoklat> something
[07:17] <oak> that is fine, i believe ubuntu-desktop just defines what packages come pre-installed or soemthing
[07:17] <Rene_S> Hola
[07:17] <Vigilanty> yes.
[07:17] <Vigilanty> it works.
[07:17] <GotD0t> ahh
[07:17] <Vigilanty> now...
[07:17] <GotD0t> i burned myself
[07:17] <Vigilanty> other apps...
[07:17] <Rene_S> Does it hurt ?
[07:17] <Vigilanty> is there a winamp for ubuntu?
[07:17] <GotD0t> Rene_S: just a bit... its on my middle fingers knuckle on my right hand
[07:17] <GotD0t> Vigilanty: you can get xmms which is a clone of winamp
[07:18] <Vigilanty> ok
[07:18] <GotD0t> Rene_S: i got a bit over zealous with my soldering iron
[07:18] <Vigilanty> it'll play mp3s, and wma's?
[07:18] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, don't most apps hardcode which spell lib they use?
[07:18] <Rene_S> Well come back when you cover 51 percent of your body, until then its only a scratch
[07:18] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree no..
[07:18] <Rene_S> :)
[07:18] <britt_radiofree> Vigilanty, yes, another winamp style player is beep, which is more actively developed, but buggier
[07:19] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[07:19] <GotD0t> britt_radiofree: buggier than xmms? i wouldn't want to see that, considering xmms crashes every few hours
[07:19] <Vigilanty> i will investigate more on this a little later...
[07:19] <Rene_S> Its all fun and games until someone looses an eye, then it becomes a sport.
[07:19] <oak> rhythmbox works rather well
[07:19] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, I know Tomboy does ...
[07:19] <britt_radiofree> GotD0t, buggier from my experience anyway
[07:19] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree don't know anything about Tomboy.. but I use ispell myself.. works fab
[07:20] <GotD0t> Rene_S: you haven't lived until you've tried to solder the wire-mesh inside of a coax onto another wire...
[07:20] <Rene_S> Nope cant say i have ever gotten that geeky
[07:20] <Rene_S> hehe
[07:20] <GotD0t> Rene_S: its such a pain, because its such low quality metal...
[07:21] <nevyn> it tends to just burn.
[07:21] <GotD0t> exactly
[07:21] <GotD0t> maybe i shouldn't tell you what i was doing with the coax then
[07:21] <nevyn> soldering wire to braid is un-fun
[07:21] <nevyn> I use it for 802.11b over 5km ;)
[07:21] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, is there a systemwide change?
[07:21] <britt_radiofree> Tsjoklat, or is configured within each app?
[07:22] <GotD0t> nevyn: well i was originally trying to do that with a friend... but we realized its impossible considering down here is all flat and we can't get anywheres close to LOS
[07:22] <Tsjoklat> britt_radiofree yeah I think so.. just go into preferences
[07:22] <nevyn> GotD0t: distance?
[07:22] <GotD0t> nevyn: im making myself a home-made j-pole antenna for the 2 meter amateur band
[07:23] <GotD0t> nevyn: at least 5 miles
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/12866549/
[07:23] <nevyn> you might get 5miles with decent masts' at each end and ... nah your freznel zone is gonna be stuffed...
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> ah fark
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> sorry
[07:23] <Tsjoklat> wrong window
[07:24] <GotD0t> nevyn: not gonna happen... we'd have to go over 200 feet to get past the tree clearance
[07:24] <nevyn> ah.. damn that vertical water.
[07:24] <GotD0t> nevyn: and at that point you need to register with the FAA and the FCC and you wouldn't even get that far because of strict zoning laws in our areas
[07:25] <GotD0t> darnit... i forgot the silicon sealant
[07:25] <GotD0t> err
[07:25] <GotD0t> silicone*
[07:29] <Tsjoklat> hypia hypia where art thou
[07:30] <Tsjoklat> seems like everybody is on their way to viva Spain
[07:30] <Vigilanty> now, i works, but i can't interact with the dvd menu...
[07:31] <oak> strange
[07:32] <Vigilanty> u know how to fix that?
[07:33] <oak> nope
[07:33] <Vigilanty> nevermind...
[07:33] <Vigilanty> it works.
[07:34] <GotD0t> AHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! it broke, again
[07:35] <Tsjoklat> what now
[07:36] <GotD0t> the solder joint... hehe
[07:39] <Tsjoklat> soldering a board?
[07:40] <GotD0t> no... the wire-braid inside a coax cable (which is a super thin, low quality metal) to another wire
[07:41] <GotD0t> the braid tends to burn... so not only is it hard to get a connection, once you do its hard to keep it, and if you manage that then chances are its not a very good connection as theres lots of ash from when parts of it melted
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> hope you are not using lead
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> will make you sickish
[07:42] <Tsjoklat> hate soldering with lead myself
[07:42] <GotD0t> dont have the money for the silver stuff ;-)
[07:43] <Tsjoklat> well you better start saving up for your funeral then :)
[07:43] <wig> could i downgrade the kernel to 2.6.2?
[07:43] <GotD0t> ill be fine... i don't solder much anyways
[07:43] <linux_galore> soldering with lead is fine
[07:43] <GotD0t> once every few months
[07:43] <britt_radiofree_> ok, got gtkspell/lang stuff figured out :)
[07:44] <linux_galore> no soldering iron I know of gets hot enough to make lead dangerous to your health
[07:44] <linux_galore> the flux though is another story
[07:44] <britt_radiofree> .
[07:45] <linux_galore> best you can do is either use a certified solder reel with safe flux; lower your soldering iron temp or use an extractor
[07:46] <wig> can i downgrade ubuntu kernel to 2.6.2 or 2.6.3?
[07:46] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore : soldering with lead is fine <--- serious doubts about that
[07:46] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: lead isnt toxic unless you over heat it
[07:47] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: or eat it
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore or sniff it?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> :P
[07:47] <JDahl> how much soldering are guys doing?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> JDahl I am a girl and I solder
[07:47] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: well sniffing comes with over heating.....a good soldering iron wont over heat the lead
[07:47] <britt_radiofree> wig, I don't see images for those in the repos, so you'll probably have to compile by hand
[07:47] <JDahl> for home-use who cares?
[07:47] <Tsjoklat> but you were not asking me I guess since you asked 'guys'
[07:47] <wig> britt_radiofree, no big, but it's okay to do that?
[07:47] <britt_radiofree> wig, yes, perfectly fine
[07:48] <wig> britt_radiofree, get it from kernel.org, correct?
[07:48] <linux_galore> solder wire that is
[07:48] <linux_galore> when Im busy
[07:48] <britt_radiofree> wig, yes ... there are some good articles on kerneltrap.org on how to go about it as well
[07:48] <wig> britt_radiofree, awesome, thank you
[07:48] <Tsjoklat> JDahl I like to solder when it is friday night and I got no date (that means every friday night)
[07:49] <linux_galore> lol
[07:49] <GotD0t> oh man... if thats the case then you should try soldering the braid from coax cables... they're super entertaining
[07:49] <linux_galore> hatews it when you have a rush job and the heater on the soldering iron fries
[07:50] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, everyone should have a hobby - soldering is as good as any, I guess ;)
[07:50] <GotD0t> or i guess oh girl is the right word Tsjoklat
[07:50] <GotD0t> JDahl: im just doing it to make myself an antenna
[07:50] <GotD0t> JDahl: for my new hobby
[07:50] <JDahl> GotD0t, what kind of antenna?
[07:51] <GotD0t> JDahl: J-Pole, tuned for the 2 meter band
[07:51] <Tsjoklat> JDahl beats the shit out of knitting that's for sure
[07:51] <JDahl> Tsjoklat, I wouldnt know
[07:51] <linux_galore> my mum taught me knitting.......made a hat and thats was it lol
[07:51] <GotD0t> haha
[07:52] <Tsjoklat> <--- doesn't do 'girlie' hobbies
[07:52] <GotD0t> JDahl: HAM radio if you didn't catch that
[07:52] <JDahl> GotD0t, I was about to ask you that...
[07:52] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: actually knitting is big with males....world record holder for knitting is a GUY
[07:52] <SuperQ> yep
[07:52] <SuperQ> i used to knit a bit
[07:53] <SuperQ> forgot all of it tho
[07:53] <JDahl> linux_galore, so that's what you're doing with 4m soldering wire a day?
[07:53] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore I wonder about his sanity....
[07:53] <linux_galore> heh heh
[07:54] <linux_galore> JDahl: no I use all that solder to reinforce my roof to block all those Gov satellites trying to spy on me
[07:54] <wig> quick question, instead of using /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.preload what do i use?
[07:54] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore that bloke.. the knitter.. close friend of yours? :P
[07:54] <JDahl> I remember riding the train with a young pimple-faced dungeons and dragons freaks once - he was making his own ringmail tunic with soldering wire
[07:55] <linux_galore> Tsjoklat: nope lol
[07:55] <GotD0t> JDahl: uhh... wouldn't that break if you moved?
[07:55] <wig> anyone know?
[07:55] <Tsjoklat> JDahl that geezer must have been related to the knitter
[07:55] <linux_galore> I got bored one day at work and started making spiders and insects out of old parts laying around the shop
[07:56] <JDahl> GotD0t, you would think so... but I didnt have it in me to break his heart
[07:56] <melazybo3> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg yet?
[07:56] <linux_galore> my desk looked like some weird scene from a crappy French anime movie
[07:56] <GotD0t> JDahl: haha... just go at him with a butane soddering iron... he'd run in fear
[07:56] <GotD0t> ahh
[07:56] <GotD0t> i hate that L
[07:57] <GotD0t> from now on im going to use two d's in that word... because the L is just ridiculous
[07:57] <linux_galore> cant be worse than fat guys making Tron skin tight suites with glowing neon tape
[07:58] <GotD0t> true
[07:58] <linux_galore> if I ever wear a something like that shoot me
[07:58] <GotD0t> gladly
[07:58] <linux_galore> wont be hard to miss....lol...
[07:58] <linux_galore> even in the dark
[07:58] <Tsjoklat> linux_galore warn us
[07:59] <GotD0t> ok well this braid-wire joint is a mess... its very clumpy... but hey, nobodys perfect... im gonna push it under my bed so i dont accidently break the joint while i wait to get to radioshack to get some silicone rubber sealant tomorrow
[07:59] <Tsjoklat> radiohole...
[08:00] <GotD0t> true... but theres nothing else round here that sells this kinda stuff
[08:00] <linux_galore> although some geeks have cool hobbies like that guy who keeps building high powered weapons ....ie gauss gun and rail gun made from spare parts
[08:00] <Tsjoklat> "What is your phone number? What is your zipcode? Why do you need this part?"
[08:00] <GotD0t> this will be the 3rd trip in two days there
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> get in online :)
[08:01] <GotD0t> if course the second trip yesterday was because the first shack didn't have one of the parts i needed
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> in: it
[08:01] <GotD0t> nah... takes too long
[08:01] <Tsjoklat> <-- hasn't been in a store for four years
[08:01] <linux_galore> I made a Cola Can Mortar when I was 14....... great fun shooting cola cans across the back paddock
[08:02] <JDahl> linux_galore, I beat you play a mean banjo
[08:02] <JDahl> bet
[08:02] <Tsjoklat> lol
[08:02] <linux_galore> although dad had a nice story trying to find the missing spark plug from his car I used an an initiator in the mortar
[08:02] <malaclyps> odd
[08:03] <malaclyps> i can't seem to pin hoary and warty
[08:03] <GotD0t> well... i am half way through making a HAM radio antenna out of video coax (which is actually too high of a resistance, so i might end up making an amp to compensate), a BNC connector, and 300-ohm twin-lead tv wire
[08:04] <GotD0t> thats pretty darned geeky
[08:04] <linux_galore> GotD0t: anything to do with radio waves is a sign of the regressive geek gene
[08:04] <GotD0t> linux_galore: and the funny thing is i don't even have my HAM license yet
[08:05] <JackandJohn> ok, this totem movie player is making me crazy.. I have the universe, contrib, multiverse and restricted sources added.. what do I need to install for divx, mpeg2, and mp3 support?
[08:05] <linux_galore> GotD0t: well CB now has a HF bandwidth and its not hard to build a 100W amp
[08:05] <GotD0t> linux_galore: bah... CB
[08:06] <Tsjoklat> night all
[08:06] <GotD0t> linux_galore: im taking the test on wed for the license anyways
[08:06] <Rene_S> A Cola Can Mortar. wtf a room of Ted Kazinski wanna bee's on tonight
[08:06] <GotD0t> Rene_S: not me ;-)
[08:06] <linux_galore> GotD0t: I was going to do my Ham test then the Internet clicked in
[08:07] <Rene_S> Man the internet is a dangerous place for young minds
[08:07] <Rene_S> what happened to sticking fire crackers up a frogs butt ?
[08:07] <JDahl> or your own for that sake
[08:08] <linux_galore> Rene_S: I did it for my physics class......it was an experiment on velocity and the effects of gravity
[08:08] <Rene_S> Well you go your way Jdahl i will stick to the frogs
[08:08] <Rene_S> ah i see
[08:08] <Rene_S> I made a volcano for my science class
[08:08] <linux_galore> Rene_S: I was going to build a home brew two stage rocket but dad went with the mortar
[08:09] <linux_galore> heh heh
[08:09] <Vigilanty> why will totem play some of my dvd movies, but not all of em?
[08:09] <Rene_S> It was cool, a pipe bomb is only one step or 2 different
[08:09] <linux_galore> Rene_S: I looked at that but everyone has done that one..i wanted something exiting
[08:10] <gen> vigilanty, use mplayer
[08:10] <Rene_S> My next year  I made a small generator with 2 styrofoam cups a dowel 2 tin cans and strips of black garbage cans
[08:10] <Vigilanty> mplayer as in music player?
[08:10] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: some have dcss restrictions also beware some dvd players dont play dvd-r +/- cd's
[08:11] <Rene_S> bags rather
[08:11] <linux_galore> DVD's sorry
[08:11] <Vigilanty> these are store bought dvd's
[08:11] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: yeah the CD's have DRM on them
[08:11] <Vigilanty> and I know about + and - formats...
[08:11] <linux_galore> DVD's oops
[08:11] <gen> why people listen, i have no idea.
[08:12] <gen> don't
[08:12] <Vigilanty> it's prbably the dcss restriction...
[08:12] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: need a player that is setup for libdcss
[08:12] <Vigilanty> i set totem up for it...
[08:12] <linux_galore> xine or mplayer work although ogle is the easiest
[08:13] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: totem wont play my dcss stuff
[08:13] <Vigilanty> o
[08:14] <JackandJohn> can mplayer be configured to access the keyring stuff?
[08:14] <Vigilanty> well, I can't even find libdcss using synaptic
[08:14] <linux_galore> ?? keyring
[08:14] <Vigilanty> is mplayer the music player?
[08:14] <JackandJohn> the gnome password repository.. it has my ftp stuff in it
[08:14] <Vigilanty> or somethin totaly diff?
[08:14] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: wont be unless you add an unofficial server
[08:15] <Vigilanty> hmmm...
[08:15] <JackandJohn> mplayer - totally different
[08:15] <Vigilanty> ok
[08:15] <Vigilanty> well I need an unofficial server of ogle and libdcss
[08:15] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: I usually look one up on google.com/linux
[08:16] <Vigilanty> just search for "servers of ogle and libdcss"?
[08:16] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: naaw  something like  ftp debian libdcss codecs unofficial
[08:17] <Vigilanty> o
[08:18] <linux_galore> dont forget google is just a search engine it doesnt need true english just key words
[08:19] <Vigilanty> this is all google turned up...
[08:19] <Vigilanty> http://zarb.org/pipermail/plf-discuss/2002-December.txt
[08:19] <linux_galore> mplayer --v|head -1:
[08:19] <linux_galore> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.3.2 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
[08:19] <linux_galore> You added '--' but no filenames presented!
[08:19] <s0cks> I bet ogra is still awake like 'damn, hurry up and go you stupid 9 hours!
[08:19] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: zarb.org one is for Mandrake
[08:20] <Vigilanty> i'm usin ubuntu
[08:20] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: plf people are a mandrake community useless to you
[08:20] <GotD0t> s0cks: 9 hours?
[08:21] <Vigilanty> hunh?
[08:21] <linux_galore> plf Penguin Liberation Foundation
[08:21] <s0cks> gotdot : Whatever it is.
[08:21] <s0cks> gotdot : It is later today...
[08:21] <linux_galore> basically a group of Mandrake hackers pissed they can play stuff
[08:21] <s0cks> Not in spain, but whatever.
[08:21] <linux_galore> so they setup their own server
[08:21] <Vigilanty> why useless to me?
[08:22] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: rpm's
[08:22] <Vigilanty> pre tell...
[08:22] <linux_galore> well Ubuntu is Debian based so uses .deb packages
[08:22] <Vigilanty> ok
[08:23] <Vigilanty> and mandrake uses rpms...
[08:23] <linux_galore> yep
[08:23] <Vigilanty> ok
[08:23] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, this could be a long conversation
[08:23] <linux_galore> lol
[08:23] <Vigilanty> i need to read up more on this os...
[08:24] <Vigilanty> but in the mean time, I'd just like to have a dvd player that plays all dvd's...
[08:24] <AlohaWolf> Vigilanty, Mandrake is good if your new to Linux, Ubuntu will be good for that in a year or two.. if your look at switching, switch to MDK first
[08:24] <Vigilanty> someone else suggested this os.
[08:25] <AlohaWolf> Vigilanty, have you ever used Linux?
[08:25] <Vigilanty> i've tried to
[08:25] <linux_galore> AlohaWolf: naaw all he needs to do is find a unofficial ftp server with .deb packages of libdcss etc
[08:25] <Vigilanty> had redhat 9 on my comp once...
[08:25] <paulproteus> These are mentioned on the Ubuntu Wiki.
[08:25] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, the packages are broken
[08:26] <linux_galore> AlohaWolf: aaah I have a pile of sources files so I just build it all myself
[08:26] <AlohaWolf> linux_galore, I should do that :-P
[08:26] <AlohaWolf> but im too lazy, and I dont own any DVD's
[08:27] <melazybo3> has fglrx been fixed to work with xorg yet?
[08:28] <Roptaty> Why use libdcss and not libdvdcss?
[08:29] <AlohaWolf> melazybo. check ATi's website
[08:29] <Rene_S> Hmm this Thunderbird rc 1 is kinda nice
[08:29] <Vigilanty> so where should i get the lib codec from?
[08:30] <AlohaWolf> Vigilanty, check out the Ubuntu wiki on the website
[08:30] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: libdvdcss is here ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386  didnt you add it before ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:30] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: to synaptic
[08:31] <Rene_S> brb gotta nail the wife into her coffin
[08:31] <Vigilanty> dunno...
[08:31] <Vigilanty> lemme check
[08:32] <linux_galore> hmm Geroge Of the Jungle is on TV
[08:32] <linux_galore> George*
[08:34] <Vigilanty> i couldn't get the index of those 2 repositories...
[08:34] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: well the first link has the package
[08:34] <linux_galore> Vigilanty: index.html file is there ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/
[08:35] <linux_galore> anyway Im off
[08:36] <Vigilanty> i just searched again, and can't find libdccs on nerim, or anywhere...
[08:37] <Roptaty> Vigilanty: You might check for libdvdcss instead
[08:38] <Vigilanty> found some stuff...
[08:39] <Vigilanty> found gxine...
[08:39] <Vigilanty> and ogle...
[08:42] <Vigilanty> thanks for everything...
[08:42] <Vigilanty> i'll be back.
[08:43] <Vigilanty> but i gotta go to bed for now.
[08:43] <Vigilanty> gotta be at work in 6 hours
[08:43] <Vigilanty> l8er
[08:44] <Qo-noS_> Roptaty: thinks it's libdvdcss2 instead of libdvdcss  *** 1.2.8-0.0 0
[08:44] <Qo-noS_>         990 ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages
[08:44] <Zaknafein> hello
[08:44] <Roptaty> Qo-noS_: You are right ;)
[08:44] <Zaknafein> anyone knows how to get gd developpement on ubuntu ?
[08:44] <Qo-noS_> Roptaty: ;)
[08:50] <pastyhermit> hey all
[08:50] <pastyhermit> I tried to add the java bin to my $PATH so I edit /etc/profile and it doesnt work, what do I do?
[08:53] <Zaknafein> I tried "sudo aptitude install gdlib-dev" it failed :-)
[08:57] <Eagle101> Hello Everyone, can someone please help me out...i got the ubuntu cd, and when i boot it, i see the ubuntu logo, then i see "loading the vmlinux and things like that" then my screen goes blank and nothing happens...please help
[08:57] <pastyhermit> Eagle101, what kind of computer?
[08:57] <pastyhermit> Eagle101, what kind of video card?
[08:58] <Eagle101> Dell Dimension 8300..ATI RADEON 9800
[08:59] <pastyhermit> ahh
[09:00] <pastyhermit> never worked with one of those
[09:00] <pastyhermit> search the forums for kernel args
[09:00] <pastyhermit> or try ubuntu vga=normal
[09:00] <pastyhermit> when you load
[09:00] <pastyhermit> gotta log out
[09:00] <pastyhermit> bbiab
[09:00] <Eagle101> thanks
[09:01] <Eagle101> can anyone else here help me, please
[09:03] <Eagle101> anyone?
[09:04] <JackandJohn> ok, quick question - I had a game resize my desktop then crash - how do I get out of 1600x1200 virtual to 1600x1200 real? (screen looks like 800x600 max real res)
[09:04] <Eagle101> Does anyone know if i can install ubuntu through network ?
[09:05] <Rattboi> big chan
[09:05] <kremlyn> Hmm.
[09:06] <kremlyn> Havint mega problems installing modules for sound.  The device is: Intel 82801db (ich4) AC'97 Audio Controller
[09:06] <kremlyn> I belive I found the correct module, but loading it does nothing (volume controller doesn't see a device)
[09:06] <Rattboi> are there seriously no mods here?
[09:10] <JackandJohn> apparently no.. it's late
[09:22] <pastyhermit> How do I add my JDK to my PATH
[09:22] <pastyhermit> I tried editing .bashrc and /etc/profile and nothing works in gnome
[09:22] <pastyhermit> I need to run eclipse
[09:27] <domestiko> hi there
[09:27] <gen> pastyhermit
[09:28] <pastyhermit> gen, yeah
[09:28] <pastyhermit> gen, got some suggestions?
[09:28] <gen> edit .bashrc, add export PATH=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.2/bin:$PATH
[09:28] <gen> to bottom
[09:28] <gen> except replacing that with your version of java
[09:28] <pastyhermit> gen, I did
[09:29] <gen> and that didn't work?
[09:29] <pastyhermit> it works in a terminal but not in X
[09:29] <gen> what do you mean
[09:29] <pastyhermit> If I load a terminal window I can just type "Java"
[09:29] <pastyhermit> err java
[09:29] <pastyhermit> but if I try and load eclipse though X it says I dont have java in my path
[09:30] <gen> not familiar with eclipse
[09:30] <housetier> you might need to re-login
[09:32] <pastyhermit> housetier, did that
[09:33] <housetier> does ubuntu have "java-package" in the repositories?
[09:33] <|trey|> pastyhermit: take it you have changed your PATH to point at java also?
[09:33] <|trey|> housetier: yes, in multiverse I think...
[09:33] <crimsun> yes, in multiverse
[09:33] <crimsun> V0.14
[09:36] <pastyhermit> |trey|, it points to /usr/local/java/bin
[09:36] <pastyhermit> java is a symlink to j2sdk...
[09:38] <cenerentola> hello |trey|
[09:38] <|trey|> cenerentola: hey  :)
[09:39] <cenerentola> |trey| how are you doing?
[09:39] <|trey|> cenerentola: can't complain  :)
[09:40] <cenerentola> |trey|: did cindy margolis knock at your door ;)?
[09:40] <pastyhermit> |trey|, any other suggestions
[09:40] <pastyhermit> its kind of weird that it doesnt work...
[09:40] <Rattboi> who here is running hoary?
[09:40] <pastyhermit> does gdm read .xession?
[09:40] <|trey|> cenerentola: not that I know of   :o
[09:40] <cenerentola> ratt:me
[09:40] <|trey|> pastyhermit: yes
[09:40] <Rattboi> how's it working?
[09:40] <Rattboi> aka, anything noticably broken?
[09:40] <|trey|> Rattboi: hoary is pretty stable so far...
[09:41] <cenerentola> fine... toshiba m30-154 working
[09:41] <cenerentola> like an angel
[09:41] <crimsun> pastyhermit: if you choose "Default System...", yes.
[09:41] <Rattboi> cool, I'm updating to it at home right now
[09:41] <Rattboi> too bad I'm at work now
[09:41] <pastyhermit> crimsun, ?
[09:41] <crimsun> pastyhermit: I have a sessions menu
[09:41] <Rattboi> I'm wondering about some things I could do to speed up my system a little
[09:41] <Elwood> Rattboi,  i am
[09:41] <Rattboi> since I'm running it on 500mhz PIII
[09:42] <Rattboi> but I really like the Gnome interface, so I don't want to change to xfce4 or something if I don't have to
[09:42] <Rattboi> maybe (probably) there's some daemons running that I don't need, right?
[09:42] <crimsun> it runs ok on a P3/500
[09:43] <Rattboi> I'm still pretty noob
[09:43] <cenerentola> maybe the raid device
[09:43] <Rattboi> but I got most things working for me
[09:43] <crimsun> if you don't use windows networking, you can shut down the samba daemons
[09:43] <Rattboi> crimsun, actually, I do use win networking, but samba's not working for me
[09:43] <Rattboi> at least, not right out of the gate
[09:44] <Rattboi> browsing with nautilus, I can never access any shares
[09:44] <pastyhermit> |trey|, maybe I will put it in there.
[09:44] <Rattboi> crimsun, I know it runs ok on p3/500, I'm running :)
[09:44] <Rattboi> but I just know there's some stuff I won't use, like LVM
[09:45] <cenerentola> rattboi:http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuBootupHowto
[09:46] <Rattboi> someone was trying to show me how to load my nvidia module when X started, but it never worked for me so I always just load it on boot
[09:46] <Rattboi> anyone know about that?
[09:46] <wasabi> heh.
[09:46] <cenerentola> /etc/modules
[09:46] <wasabi> I just realized there is apparently not decent interface to play an entire directory of music files.
[09:46] <wasabi> not a single one of the programs provided is appropiate.
[09:47] <Rattboi> cenerentola, that's where I got it now
[09:47] <Rattboi> it works fine
[09:47] <cenerentola> nice then
[09:47] <Rattboi> just wondering why the other way didn't work
[09:47] <cenerentola> hmm.........
[09:47] <|trey|> wasabi: umm, Rhythmbox... mpg123 * works too   :/
[09:47] <crimsun> Rattboi: dpkg -l nvidia-kernel-common|grep ^ii
[09:48] <wasabi> trey, rhythmbox makes you go through this library stuff. I just want to play a directory of files. Not by artist, not by album, just an entire recursive directory. mpg123 with a find script would work, but it won't randomize
[09:48] <crimsun> Rattboi: that should have an /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
[09:48] <wasabi> actually i think xmms is hte only option
[09:48] <Rattboi> hmm
[09:48] <crimsun> err?
[09:49] <crimsun> wasabi: mpg123 provides -Z | --random
[09:49] <Elwood> how to upgrade just nautilus dependence?
[09:49] <|trey|> wasabi: "skip this step", and load only the directory...  file > import folder
[09:49] <wasabi> trey, already have rb set up
[09:49] <cenerentola> rattboy: what kind of driver are you usint? binaries or...?
[09:49] <Rattboi> cenerentola, yeah
[09:49] <Rattboi> I followed some guide called "Nvidia drivers, the ubuntu way"
[09:49] <cenerentola> did you do "sudo nvidia-glx enable"?
[09:50] <Rattboi> oop, *debian
[09:50] <Rattboi> cenerentola, exactly that, and it didn't work
[09:50] <Rattboi> so that's when I did the "debian way"
[09:50] <Rattboi> of course, I could have screwed it up in multiple places
[09:50] <Rattboi> I wish I had more information, but I'm not sitting in front of it atm
[09:51] <crimsun> Rattboi: make sure the file /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc exists
[09:51] <Rattboi> like I said before, my nvidia module is working, I got it loading at boot in /etc/modules
[09:51] <Rattboi> I was just curious why the other way didn't work, but it's fine
[09:52] <Rattboi> except DVDs won't play
[09:52] <Rattboi> never did though
[09:52] <crimsun> I'm stepping you through troubleshooting why the other way didn't work
[09:52] <Rattboi> I thought it was DMA on the DVD drive
[09:52] <cenerentola> rattboi: what do you mean it didnt work the other way?
[09:52] <crimsun> if you aren't interested, all you have to do is say you're not interested
[09:52] <Rattboi> crimsun, it's not that
[09:52] <cenerentola> rattboi: what was wrong, resolution, the module didnt load, image quality, x didnt work?
[09:52] <Rattboi> I'm interested but unable to do anything atm, since I'm not at the computer with the problem
[09:53] <Rattboi> x wouldn't load
[09:53] <cenerentola> did you look at the log?
[09:53] <Rattboi> man, I should have brought this up when I was at home
[09:53] <Rattboi> I feel like I'm wasting your guys time, since I can't really check things, just using memory
[09:53] <cenerentola> rattboi: man, let's come back on this topic when you're at home..
[09:54] <Rattboi> yeah
[09:54] <cenerentola> rattboi: no probs for me... im just waiting for someone to stab me while sleeping, in mataro...
[09:54] <cenerentola> ;)
[09:54] <Rattboi> mataro?
[09:54] <cenerentola> ubuntu conference
[09:55] <Rattboi> the DVD thing is interesting
[09:55] <Rattboi> I was getting stuttered output with the nv driver
[09:55] <Rattboi> and I'm not sure about sound, since I didn't have speakers
[09:55] <Rattboi> and now that I got the nvidia module running, I get blue screen in totem
[09:55] <cenerentola> i dont know.. sorry...
[09:56] <Rattboi> for any dvd VOB
[09:57] <Rattboi> well, whatever, no big deal
[09:57] <Rattboi> I'll ask again later when I'm there
[09:57] <|trey|> Rattboi: that blue screen = bad codecs...
[09:58] <Rattboi> strange, since only thing that changed was nv -> nvidia
[09:58] <Rattboi> but maybe I'm wrong
[09:58] <Rattboi> possibly I messed with the packages before
[09:58] <|trey|> Rattboi: using totem-gstreamer? totem-xine will work with w32codecs from marillat's repo...
[09:58] <Rattboi> |trey|, I tried xine and it crashed
[09:58] <Rattboi> I think I was using marillat's repo
[09:59] <|trey|> Marillat doesn't offer xine...
[09:59] <|trey|> ffmpeg and w32codecs are the packages of interest there  8)
[10:05] <Rattboi> |trey|, that's what I was talking about
[10:06] <Rattboi> followed the unofficial 4.10 guide on ubuntulinux.org
[10:08] <Rattboi> I'm big into using the newest unstable stuff, too bad I don't have the experience yet to get it all to work
[10:11] <cenerentola> ciao a tutti
[10:11] <cenerentola> im leaving
[10:11] <cenerentola> ciao
[10:11] <Rattboi> see ya
[10:16] <bigbrother0074> my synaptic says i have the gnome-applets package installed, but how do i run the prgm?  i'm interested in getting weather reports on my desktop among other things
[10:17] <Agrajag> bigbrother0074: right clink the gnome panel, choose add to panel...
[10:18] <bigbrother0074> Agrajag, ahhh, i gotcha.  thanks!
[10:20] <Rattboi> heh
[10:25] <pepsi_> hi
[10:26] <pepsi_> oh wait
[10:26] <Rattboi> wait for what?
[10:27] <pepsi_> i dunno
[10:27] <pepsi_> hi
[10:30] <Rattboi> hi
[10:30] <Rattboi> what up?
[10:31] <pepsi_> i dunno
[10:45] <bigbrother0074> i added the sticky note applet to the gnome panel, and it's prefs let me change the color, but how do i change the font color?  i.e. i want a black bg note w/ white text....
[10:46] <Elwood> anyone with hoary knows about nautilus problems?
[10:55] <fonzarelli> hi. I had downloaded the latest warty-release-install-i386.iso from ubunutulinux.org, but when i try to install it, using ms virtualpc 2004 or booting from a cd on a seperate box, the installer gets stuck at 37%, 'retrieving nic-modules-2.6.8.1-3-386-di'. any ideas? :)
[10:56] <crimsun> how much RAM is allotted to virtualpc and on the separate box?
[10:57] <fonzarelli> 512mb for both
[10:57] <crimsun> hmm, that's certainly adequate
[10:59] <fonzarelli> yeh. the thought crossed my mind that maybe the .iso was borked somehow, but then it wouldn't have burnt to cd or loaded in vpc if that was the case. I'll try downloading the .iso again, perhaps from the torrent this time.
[11:09] <avilella> hi all
[11:09] <avilella> I have a question about the debian-installer
[11:09] <avilella> I would like to have a screenshot for the different screens that appear during the installation
[11:10] <avilella> and I was wondering if these can be saved and retrieved later
[11:10] <Rattboi> are you making a guide?
[11:10] <calc> someone in #debian-boot could probably help you, but its pretty late in the US
[11:10] <avilella> yes
[11:10] <avilella> in Catalan
[11:10] <Rattboi> how about using VMWare or something like that?
[11:10] <avilella> well, I have the screenshots in English
[11:10] <Rattboi> do an emulated install
[11:10] <avilella> but I would like to have them in Catalan
[11:10] <Rattboi> do an emulated install in Catalan :P
[11:10] <avilella> as I'm more familiar with fedora's anaconda
[11:11] <avilella> where the screenshots are saved in a /var/ directory
[11:11] <Matt|> hi guys. I've had some problems with the nimbus roman font. When converting it to pdf in openoffice it comes out really badly. example is here: http://mdke.mine.nu/images/pdf_problems.png Does anyone have any advice?
[11:11] <avilella> I was wondering if the same can be done with ubuntu
[11:13] <avilella> Rattboi: so I suppose the easiest way would be an emulated install
[11:15] <Rattboi> avilella, I'm not sure if it's the only way, but it's the way I see most commonly
[11:26] <Rattboi> does gnome start?
[11:26] <flz> yeah
[11:27] <Elwood> flz, run from terminal nautilus...
[11:27] <flz> lets me sign using user/pass but then stops very soon after
[11:27] <Rattboi> the signin isn't gnome
[11:27] <Rattboi> that's just GDM
[11:27] <flz> don't know how.... no buttons/ rightclick not working shortcut key?
[11:27] <flz> rattboi - ok
[11:28] <Rattboi> is the mouse cursor an x?
[11:28] <Rattboi> and the background is b/w checkerboard?
[11:28] <flz> arrowhead, and it moves
[11:28] <flz> brown, but no ubuntu word (which i think was still there)
[11:28] <flz> although i may have changed it
[11:29] <Rattboi> usually after you log in, it shows a kinda window in the middle and shows gnome starting
[11:29] <pepsi_> the background color is brown, with a brown image over it
[11:29] <Rattboi> do you get that?
[11:29] <flz> yeah... i get the kinda window with what looks like things loading quickly etc. (old mac style) but yeah after that it all just seems to hang
[11:30] <Rattboi> yeah, old mac style
[11:31] <flz> that's the last time i remember seeing it anyways (but at least i'm trying new things right?)
[11:32] <flz> i only played with it for a few days... i think i might jsut re-install
[11:32] <Rattboi> maybe try removing your settings?
[11:32] <Rattboi> if you're just gonna reinstall anyways
[11:33] <Rattboi> you probably shouldn't listen to me, since I"m kinda noob too, but nobody else is talking...
[11:35] <cenerentola> thats metacity i suppose
[11:36] <cenerentola> flz?
[11:36] <flz> the thing is because i'm totally new to this i don't know how to go about changing anything yet.... the more i play i suppose the easier it will get
[11:36] <cenerentola> gmail : hello
[11:36] <cenerentola> ok can you explain briefly what u did and what happened
[11:37] <Gmail> holla
[11:37] <flz> ok... installed ubuntu.. .no probs.. played with getting mp3/xvid/quictime etc to work
[11:37] <frankps> can somebody point me to a mpeg3 codec package for ubuntu x86-64?
[11:38] <cenerentola> i think there's a page in the wiki that refers to this kind of things
[11:38] <cenerentola> flz: are you with me?
[11:38] <flz> last time i rebooted it let me log on- user / password.... (it even made the noise) started to load gnome (at least i think it was gnome)
[11:38] <flz> yeah typing / reading at same time
[11:39] <flz> then no desktop icons/ no taskbar icons / no mose events doing anything
[11:39] <flz> mose = mouse
[11:39] <cenerentola> i think its the windows manager..
[11:39] <cenerentola> you said the background is plain brown?
[11:40] <flz> yeah
[11:40] <cenerentola> ok then have you tried ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:40] <Matt|> flz, does it work as another user?
[11:41] <cenerentola> or looked at x and gdm logs?
[11:41] <Rattboi> Matt|, good idea
[11:41] <flz> matt - have not tryed.. only me / root
[11:41] <Matt|> flz, doesnt' work either way?
[11:41] <cenerentola> matt|: you cant get in as root
[11:41] <AptivaIBM> I have trouble with my install of Ubuntu.
[11:41] <AptivaIBM> I'm trying to run it on a IBM Aptiva 500MHz, but it will not boot...
[11:42] <flz> cenerentola - i have not tried ctrl-alt-backspace
[11:42] <cenerentola> well... that should restart x
[11:42] <flz> ok
[11:42] <cenerentola> in a not-so-gentle way
[11:42] <Matt|> X is working tho it seems
[11:42] <flz> i'll give it a go next time i logon
[11:42] <flz> i have 2 use windows to browse etc (and only 1 pc atm)
[11:43] <flz> screw it... i'll be back in 10 mins
[11:43] <Matt|> flz, i think you should do as Rattboi suggested; delete your settings
[11:43] <flz> matt- how would i do that?
[11:43] <Matt|> flz, you can remove or move the .gnome and .metacity directories in your home directory
[11:44] <Matt|> *.gnome2
[11:44] <cenerentola> flz: then from a shell try /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:44] <Matt|> right i'm gone
[11:44] <Matt|> laters all
[11:44] <cenerentola> flz: did you touch  gnome's settings
[11:44] <flz> cenerentola - maybe... but i don't think so
[11:45] <AptivaIBM> Is there anyone who can help me with a boot problem?
[11:45] <flz> i'll be back in 15
[11:45] <cenerentola> aptiva: what happen
[11:46] <cenerentola> aptivaibm: whats your problem?
[11:47] <AptivaIBM> I tried to install it, and it starts booting, but stops saying nothing.
[11:47] <cenerentola> when?
[11:48] <AptivaIBM> In the very start.
[11:48] <cenerentola> mm.. im sorry i can help you..
[11:48] <cenerentola> does grub show off?
[11:49] <cenerentola> *t
[11:49] <cenerentola> well... im off
[11:49] <cenerentola> see you later
[11:49] <cenerentola> aptivaibm: no luck with me... sorry
[11:49] <AptivaIBM> ok.
[11:50] <AptivaIBM> Anyone who can try to help me with a boot problem?
[11:51] <redhedgehog> Hmmmm... I need help with stack space. I own a Linksys WPC54G, and I keep receiving a kernel panic message. Should I recompile the kernel? If so, how do I go about it?
[11:55] <flz> yay... ubuntu is now offically tempremental  (it just worked that time.... i don't know why)
[12:06] <jono> heya
[12:06] <jono> Kamion: ping
[12:12] <zicobit> hello, how I can mount a pendrive in ubuntu? because /dev/sda don't exists
[12:17] <AptivaIBM> I still have a problem regarding booting.
[12:18] <lifeless> zicobit: well when you plug it in, the kernel should list events in dmesg
[12:18] <lifeless> if it doesn't, then the GUI stuff can't kick in.
[12:18] <lifeless> AptivaIBM: whats the problem ?
[12:19] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: I try to boot Ubuntu on a IBM aptiva, but it will not start booting
[12:20] <lifeless> does it give any output at all? are you booting from the install cd or the live cd ?
[12:21] <Adrenal> are there any digital tv tuners that work with ubuntu?
[12:22] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: I have booted on the install CD, and the install went well. But then I am supposed to reboot the PC without the CD, and it displays only a few lines... before it gives up,
[12:22] <AptivaIBM> ...(and does nothing)
[12:22] <ploum__> Hi
[12:22] <lifeless> ah. what are those lines ?
[12:22] <ploum__> I think Ubuntu dev must take a look at http://www.sukria.net/packages/backup-manager/
[12:23] <JStrike> Adrenal : If they work on linux, they should work on Ubuntu. Look at linuxtv
[12:23] <ploum__> It's a simple backup-manager and with some GUI, it will be really good for Ubuntu users
[12:24] <zicobit> this is the output of dmesg
[12:24] <zicobit> agpgart: Found an AGP 3.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0.
[12:24] <zicobit> agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode
[12:24] <zicobit> agpgart: Putting AGP V3 device at 0000:01:00.0 into 4x mode
[12:24] <zicobit> drivers/usb/media/stv680.c: [stv_init:388]  STV(i): CIF is supported
[12:24] <zicobit> drivers/usb/media/stv680.c: [stv_init:406]  STV(i): Camera has 0 pictures.
[12:24] <zicobit> drivers/usb/media/stv680.c: [stv_init:433]  STV(i): Video Mode set to CIF
[12:24] <zicobit> [drm]  Loading R200 Microcode
[12:24] <Kamion> jonathaN: yo
[12:24] <Kamion> oops
[12:24] <Kamion> oh, jono left
[12:24] <Kamion> jonathaN: sorry
[12:24] <lifeless> zicobit: it looks like its being picked up as a camera, not as a flash drive.
[12:25] <zicobit> lifeless, what I can do?
[12:25] <theine> probably works with gphoto2 I guess?
[12:28] <theine> Is there any gtkam-like apllication in the main repository by the way? I see that libgphoto is in there
[12:28] <lifeless> theine: dunno..
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: Lets see here, the last few lines are: "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8.1-3-386
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> [Linux-initrd @ 0x12bdb000, 0x405000 bytes] 
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> savedefault
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> boot"
[12:28] <AptivaIBM> And there it stops
[12:28] <OZ8AAZ> anyone got ALSAsound to run under kernel 2.6 on a laptop
[12:29] <theine> OZ8AAZL I do
[12:29] <lifeless> AptivaIBM: just to be sure, can you press 'b' there? does shitft/caps  lock still work ?
[12:31] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: I can press 'b',but nothing happens. Caps Lock is working
[12:31] <OZ8AAZ> theine: got a Latitude C840 and it will under NO circumstance work under 2.6 - 2.4 is no problem
[12:32] <theine> OZ8AAZ: I'm quite sure you can get it to work somehow
[12:32] <OZ8AAZ> theine: that involves standard packages? I'm not much for experimenting (got another machine for that! :))
[12:33] <theine> OZ8AAZ: I don't think so -- worked out of the box for me
[12:33] <theine> OZ8AAZ: What exactly doesn't work?
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> theine - good for you! :) but this one needs tweak! :)
[12:34] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Do you get any alsa-specific error messages during boot?
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> under 2.6: no soundcards found
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> ...during boot
[12:34] <OZ8AAZ> brb
[12:34] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Ok, I see... Which soundcard is in there?
[12:35] <theine> OZ8AAZ: And are you using the official Ubuntu kernel?
[12:35] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: Any ideas?
[12:37] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: the Live-cd works perfectly fine...
[12:37] <OZ8AAZ> theine: Yup, nothing but official! it's a intel8x0
[12:37] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Same as I have
[12:38] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Could you message me the output of lsmod?
[12:39] <AptivaIBM> brb
[12:40] <theine> OZ8AAZ: And could you please respond a bit faster...?
[12:42] <OZ8AAZ> theine - squize me! :)
[12:42] <OZ8AAZ> theine: am booted in 2.4 now - most notable is the module intel8x0m which loads with intel8x0 under 2.6
[12:44] <theine> OZ8AAZ: So that should be fine I guess
[12:44] <theine> OZ8AAZ: What if you do ``/etc/init.d/alsa restart''? Gives the same error message?
[12:45] <OZ8AAZ> theine: I guess too ... but no /dev/dsp
[12:45] <OZ8AAZ> alsa restarts just fine - modules are loaded just fine... but no /dev/dsp!
[12:46] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Wait, you might have to do ``modprobe snd_pcm_oss''
[12:46] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Is that one loaded under 2.6?
[12:46] <OZ8AAZ> theine ... done
[12:46] <OZ8AAZ> still no go
[12:46] <AptivaIBM> lifeless: Any clues?
[12:46] <AptivaIBM> brb
[12:47] <theine> OZ8AAZ: But you don't get any error messages when you do ``modprobe snd_pcm_oss''>
[12:47] <OZ8AAZ> theine: I've set it up numerous times under Debian without problems, so I thought it was Ubuntu-related...
[12:47] <lifeless> AptivaIBM: so, its probably either grub hanging, or misconfigured.
[12:47] <siretart> OZ8AAZ: do you have the package alsa-oss installed?
[12:47] <OZ8AAZ> siretart: yes
[12:47] <charlie_> hi alll, i just upgraded my kde from 3.2 to 3.3.1 (with the hoary repositories) and now i have problems starting a few programs.. xmms gives segmentation fault blender also.. any idea what went wrong?
[12:47] <lifeless> as it boots, tap esc which shoyld bring up the grub menu.
[12:48] <OZ8AAZ> theine: modprobe doesn't return anything, since the module is loaded just fine...
[12:48] <lifeless> then you can edit the boot parameters.
[12:48] <lifeless> I've gott run no, so good luck
[12:48] <theine> OZ8AAZ: that's really strange that it doesn't result in an /dev/dsp device then...
[12:49] <OZ8AAZ> theine: Exactly!
[12:50] <siretart> does anybody already use NetworkManager?
[12:50] <OZ8AAZ> theine: I'll just reboot into 2.6 - cu!
[12:50] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Do that, and send me the output of dmesg and lsmod so I can compare it to mine
[12:51] <Elwood> theine,  problem with alsa?
[12:51] <theine> Elwood: Not me, OZ8AAZ got one
[12:51] <Elwood> ok good for you
[12:52] <theine> doesn't work for you either?
[12:54] <charlie_> hi alll, i just upgraded my kde from 3.2 to 3.3.1 (with the hoary repositories) and now i have problems starting a few programs.. xmms gives segmentation fault blender also.. any idea what went wrong?
[12:56] <IBMAptiva> Lifeless? U there?
[12:56] <hk_> hmm how do I reconfigure network interfaces in text mode ?
[12:56] <Tomcat_> hk_: ifconfig/iwconfig and /etc/network/*
[12:56] <theine> IBMAptiva: He left
[12:57] <hk_> Tomcat_, I know this ones, just thought it had a dpkg-reconfigure something :/
[12:57] <IBMAptiva> Auch... Anyone else willing to try to help me here?
[12:57] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: what's up?
[12:57] <potato_head> Not saying I'll be able to help
[12:58] <Tomcat_> hk_: Not sure about that... I like to do it manually. :)
[12:58] <IBMAptiva> Having trouble with booting a IBM Aptiva.
[12:58] <theine> IBMAptiva: explain
[12:59] <OZ8AAZ> theine: back....
[12:59] <theine> OZ8AAZ: alright
[01:00] <IBMAptiva> I install ubuntu, I try to reboot the machine, but it stops right before my other machine (laptop of some kind) uncompresses the kernel.
[01:00] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Could you dump the output of dmesg and lsmod on pastebin.com?
[01:00] <OZ8AAZ> theine: hang on...
[01:00] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: have you tried the other boot options in GRUB?
[01:01] <IBMAptiva> potato_head: Like?
[01:01] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Greetings from Copenhagen  by the way
[01:01] <OZ8AAZ> theine: Jepper! It's nice here!
[01:01] <potato_head> IBMAtiva: well I'm not sure. I think there's something like a safe mode, is there?
[01:02] <OZ8AAZ> theine: done!
[01:02] <the_one> hi everybody!
[01:02] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Alright, let's see
[01:02] <IBMAptiva> potato_head: No... there is a recovery mode, but it doesnt help.
[01:02] <Elwood> OZ8AAZ, where is the problem?
[01:02] <Elwood> IBMAptiva, omg... i still have a 486 with imb aptiva installed :)
[01:03] <IBMAptiva> elwood: Experienced any trobles?
[01:03] <the_one> guys, why doesn't my laptop power off when I shut down ubuntu?
[01:03] <Elwood> IBMAptiva,  with aptiva?no.it was my first pc :)
[01:03] <the_one> any ideas?
[01:03] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: ah, okay. Hang on - gonna reboot.
[01:04] <IBMAptiva> elwood: My IBM Aptiva won't start Ubuntu after the install. It stops saying only the tings i can find when I press 'esc'
[01:05] <OZ8AAZ> elwood: No /dev/dsp under kernel 2.6 though all modules are loaded fine...
[01:05] <OZ8AAZ> elwood: ALSAmodules that is...
[01:05] <theine> OZ8AAZ: I have the following from dmesg
[01:05] <theine> OZ8AAZ: intel8x0_measure_ac97_clock: measured 49457 usecs
[01:05] <theine> intel8x0: clocking to 48000
[01:05] <Elwood> OZ8AAZ, check udev permission....
[01:05] <theine> intel8x0: which you are appearently missing
[01:06] <the_one> ok..nobody seems to know or want to help with the power off problem...then another question: does anyone know how to get working WAP authentication with my centrino wireless? In the netwok configuration menu I have the option for WEP only. Suggestions?
[01:06] <theine> Elwood: /dev/dsp doesn't exist at all
[01:07] <Elwood> make udev create it!
[01:07] <Roptaty> theine: Does dsp0 exist?
[01:07] <theine> Roptaty: OZ8AAZ is the one who has problems
[01:08] <Roptaty> theine: Sorry mate. just saw the last couple of lines ;)
[01:08] <theine> Roptaty: That's alright :)
[01:09] <OZ8AAZ> elwood: user is member of audio ...
[01:09] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Perhaps, Could you dump /etc/udev/udev.rules as well?
[01:09] <OZ8AAZ> ok . 2 secs
[01:09] <the_one> is anyone using ubuntu on a laptop with wireless access here or am I the only one?
[01:09] <Roptaty> OZ8AAZ: Please dump them in #flood.
[01:10] <Elwood> theine,  i got similar error and i solved them..udev overwrites the modules nodes
[01:10] <theine> Elwood: So what did you do?
[01:10] <OZ8AAZ> theine... possible error there?
[01:10] <Elwood> theine, i create and add dsp with udev
[01:10] <OZ8AAZ> just posted
[01:11] <theine> pastebin.com is really nice
[01:11] <OZ8AAZ> the_one: my wlan works fine actually :) but it can't play sounds....
[01:11] <OZ8AAZ> :)
[01:11] <OZ8AAZ> pastebin.com is EXCELLENT! a well deserved bookmark!
[01:11] <theine> OZ8AAZ: Bingo, listen to Elwood, the rules for /dev/dsp* are missing in yours
[01:11] <the_one> OZ8AAZ: do you use WEP or any kind of encryption on your wireless network?
[01:12] <theine> OZ8AAZ: shit, sorry, I meant devfs.rules...
[01:12] <OZ8AAZ> theine: what would the line read?
[01:12] <wood1> Hi to all
[01:13] <Elwood> OZ8AAZ, i can paste mine
[01:13] <OZ8AAZ> theine: that'll be great but is it udev.rules or devfs.rules?
[01:14] <wood1> Is somebody else having problems updating in Hoary ?
[01:14] <Elwood> wood1, i have
[01:14] <OZ8AAZ> the_one: not at home (yeah, I know...)
[01:14] <wood1> Elwood, Is it due to OpenOffice.org ?
[01:14] <Elwood> wood1,  no it's due nautilus
[01:15] <theine> wood1: yes! it takes ages to start up
[01:15] <wood1> For me it's OpenOffice
[01:15] <the_one> OZ8AAZ: are you familiar with wireless networking?
[01:15] <theine> wood1: and by ages I mean 10+ min
[01:15] <wood1> Elwood, Have you posted the update problem in Bugzilla ?
[01:15] <OZ8AAZ> the_one... somewhat - try me! :)
[01:16] <wood1> That is weird, 10 minutes to start Nautilas !!!
[01:16] <wood1> Which machine do you have ?
[01:16] <theine> OZ8AAZ: it'd devfs.rules, could you dump that as well?
[01:16] <Elwood> wood1, not yet
[01:16] <Elwood> wood1,  mine doesn't start..
[01:16] <the_one> OZ8AAZ: can you access a WAP encrypted network from within ubuntu?
[01:17] <theine> wood1: nautilus? no that start's up fast
[01:17] <wood1> Elwood, Which version of OpenOffice are you using ?
[01:17] <Elwood> let me check but an old one...is in hold :)
[01:17] <theine> Elwood: Does it hang at the splash screen?
[01:17] <OZ8AAZ> theine: devfs.rules contains two directories - there's a alsa-file in the conf.d-dir... posted it to you know where...
[01:18] <Elwood> theine, it doesn't start at all and i get nautilus: relocation error: nautilus: undefined symbol: nautilus_view_factory_register
[01:18] <theine> OZ8AAZ: really? I only have one file devfs.rules
[01:18] <Elwood> wood1,  i am using the one of the warty :)
[01:18] <theine> OZ8AAZ: maybe you should upgrade to hoary :)
[01:19] <theine> OZ8AAZ: oh, i see, i meant /etc/udev/devfs.rules not /etc/devfs/..., sorry
[01:19] <theine> Elwood: Oh, I thought you were talking about Openoffice...
[01:20] <wood1> I am using the OpenOffice 1.1.2dfsg1
[01:20] <the_one> guys...PLEASE...if in the know, what can I do to make my laptop power off after shut down without needing to press the power button myself?
[01:20] <OZ8AAZ> the_one: yes
[01:20] <wood1> By the way, what is OpenOffice 1.1.2dfsg1 ?
[01:20] <potato_head> How can I find out what speed the CPU is running at (it's a 2500+ athlon mobile, that runs between 864Mhz and 1.5Ghz)?
[01:20] <theine> the_one: What laptop is this?
[01:20] <Elwood> potato_head,  cat /proc/cpuinfo
[01:20] <the_one> potato_head: use the CPU frequency monitor
[01:20] <the_one> a centrino
[01:21] <theine> the_one: which brand?
[01:21] <the_one> intel 855gm, asus M3N
[01:21] <theine> the_one: Does it support APM?
[01:21] <OZ8AAZ> theine: posted!
[01:22] <the_one> I don't think so...from what I recall last time I tried to install xandros 2 deluxe on it, which defaults on APM
[01:22] <the_one> but..maybe it does support APM
[01:22] <theine> OZ8AAZ: that's fine too...
[01:22] <theine> OZ8AAZ: It might have nothing to do with this, but have you tried disabling ACPI? you never know...
[01:23] <OZ8AAZ> theine: how?
[01:23] <evandro> hmm Im new to ubuntu, whats a good repository to get lateste versions of programs ? (upgrade xchat and so)
[01:23] <IBMAptiva> potato_head: Got any suggestions on how to solve my booting-troubles?
[01:23] <theine> OZ8AAZ: pass acpi=off as a kernel parameter
[01:23] <oling> hoary
[01:23] <evandro> latest*
[01:23] <the_one> how do I change from ACPI to APM?
[01:23] <theine> the_one: add ``acpi=off apm=on'' as kernel parameters
[01:23] <theine> the_one: and then try to load the apm module
[01:24] <the_one> do I have to do this each time I boot? or I can write it to the menu.lst?
[01:24] <theine> the_one: if it works, i'd suggest you go for APM, works like a charm for me
[01:24] <theine> the_one: you can add it in menu.lst
[01:24] <OZ8AAZ> theine: before "savedefault"?
[01:25] <the_one> theine: what's the parameter
[01:25] <OZ8AAZ> theine: or in the kernel-line?
[01:25] <theine> the_one: no, in the kernel line, after root=/dev/... ro quiet splash
[01:26] <theine> OZ8AAZ: in the kernel line
[01:26] <OZ8AAZ> ok, y'all ... booting - brb!
[01:26] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: Hmmmm, just doing some googling.
[01:27] <theine> OZ8AAZ: you can make this change persistent under kernel upgrades by adding ``acpi=off apm=on'' to the kopt variable in grub.conf
[01:27] <theine> OZ8AAZ: but don't uncomment that line
[01:27] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: look at the second ost on this link <http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=90128>.
[01:27] <the_one> ok, I'll try APM, will reboot, brb
[01:29] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: if you subtract the amount of RAM that the onboard video uses, from your total RAM and pass it to linux as a boot command (ie. 'linux mem=124M' or whatever).
[01:29] <potato_head> IBMAptva
[01:29] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: I don't really know.
[01:30] <potato_head> IBMAptiva: have you managed to boot anyother distros?
[01:32] <potato_head> How do I start the gnome-cpufreq-applet?
[01:33] <JStrike> So. I noticed some new kernels in the repo the other day. Are they inotify patched?
[01:33] <Tomcat_> potato_head: No idea, but my guess is "add it to the gnome panel" :)
[01:33] <Tomcat_> potato_head: And thanks for mentioning it... didn't know it existed. :o
[01:33] <potato_head> Tomcat_: Hmmm, okay. That does sound pretty reasonable ;-)
[01:33] <theine> Is anybody using network-manager?
[01:34] <stuNNed> hi all anyone have problems loading X with nvidia driver?
[01:35] <Elwood> stuNNed,  i have no problem
[01:35] <JStrike> stuNNed : Nope. What is the error?
[01:35] <linux_mafia> JStrike, i doubt it, or im sure it would be mentioned on the ubuntu-beagle-install wiki page
[01:35] <potato_head> Hmmm, 1083 Ghz. I think I must have got a better deal than I thought with this laptop ;-)
[01:36] <kent> stuNNed, I dont have a problem (nvidia tnt2) but my brother who has a geforce 3 have problems.
[01:36] <stuNNed> JStrike: starting X computer locks up/freezes, keyboard unresponsive, i can't find anything in logs except that pci id isn't set and it looks like it's probing for pci id
[01:36] <Tomcat_> lol potato_head :)
[01:36] <JStrike> linux_mafia : hmm...true. Speaking of. Somebody really needs to make weekly snaps of beagle, etc. Similar to MDE
[01:37] <linux_mafia> JStrike, yeah, that would be cool, im getting sick of building from cvs, heh, works a treat though, you using it?
[01:38] <stuNNed> JStrike: /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status says "Status: disabled"
[01:38] <JStrike> linux_mafia : Not at the moment. It is the main issue with Ubuntu. It makes working on mono/etc a bitch
[01:38] <stuNNed> JStrike: do i need to identify pci id in xorg.conf?
[01:39] <ghita> hello
[01:39] <JStrike> stuNNed : Not sure. Best to ask in the xorg channel
[01:40] <stuNNed> JStrike: ah ok, didn't know there was such a chann thanks
[01:40] <ghita> i got to load the bttv with specific options for my tvtuner and i don't know how
[01:40] <ghita> please help
[01:40] <linux_mafia> JStrike, yeah, but unless you using a novell based distro, all distros are pretty much in the same boat with beagle
[01:42] <wood1> What is the best way to connect to my Home PC which is running on Dial-Up from my Office PC which has Broadband? Both PCs are running on Ubuntu
[01:44] <JStrike> linux_mafia : Fedora at least provides their package installation app which lets you choose to install a Gnome Dev environment, so you dont need to go install all the dev packages manually
[01:44] <theine> Is anybody having this problem https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4300 as well?
[01:45] <linux_mafia> wood1, dunno about best, but id set up sshd on the home pc, and get an account at dyndns or similar, then you can ssh into the home machine from work, providing its connected
[01:45] <wood1> linux_mafia,  besides SSH, is there any other programs ?
[01:46] <linux_mafia> wood1, well, define "connect", what do you want to do?
[01:46] <linux_mafia> JStrike, true, tasksel is pitiful in ubuntu
[01:47] <wood1> Well is the download speed limited to Dial-Up since I am connecting to a Dial-Up PC at home
[01:47] <jimmyone> Anyone that can help me with changing the Hz in ubuntu? I can only choose 85Hz but my monitor does onlu support 50/60Hz.
[01:47] <theine> wood1: If you want to have remote X access you can set up a VNC server on your home desktop
[01:47] <linux_mafia> wood1, i'll give you three guesses
[01:48] <wood1> jimmyone, I think you have to see: etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:48] <theine> wood1: with a dial-up you're in for some serious latencies of course
[01:48] <wood1> But I am connecting from a Broadband connection from my Office PC
[01:49] <jimmyone> wood1: thanks, i check out that
[01:49] <Rattboi> the speed will of course be the lower of the 2
[01:50] <theine> wood1: Sad but true
[01:50] <Rattboi> when you connect to dialup, how do you expect it to go faster than dialup handles
[01:50] <linux_mafia> jimmyone, you on warty?
[01:51] <wood1> Well is there any way to get connected to my Office PC from my Home PC? All the ports of my Office Network are closed
[01:51] <wood1> using SSH
[01:51] <jimmyone> linux_mafia: yepp
[01:52] <linux_mafia> jimmyone, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, choose iirc expert or advanced mode, then you can manually specify refresh rates
[01:55] <wood1> How to I use the Terminal Server Client to connect to my other PC using Ubuntu ?
[01:55] <wood1> Both are running on Ubuntu Linux ?
[01:55] <siretart> wood1: I dont understand your question. either all ports are closed so you are out of luck. Or you can connect to your office pc using ssh. then there you are!
[01:56] <OZ8AAZ> theine: no luck - will try later...
[01:56] <OZ8AAZ> theine: gotta run...
[01:57] <jimmyone> linux_mafia: i dont understand how i shoud do, i wrote that in the terminal but i just came to the first configuration thing.
[01:57] <wood1> siretart, all the ports are closed on my Office Network except for Ports 80 and 21. I can connect to my Home PC using SSH but not vice versa
[01:58] <linux_mafia> jimmyone, hmmm my bad, perhaps im confusing 2 things, ditch that, i'll message you, and tell you how to edit the config file manually, ok?
[01:59] <siretart> wood1: thats strange. port 21 (ftp) is open but 22 (ssh) is not? you should ask your system administrator for support..
[01:59] <jimmyone> linux_mafia: sure, thanks
[02:00] <wood1> Well siretart, I can't ask the Network Admin, he will not allow it
[02:01] <wood1> So can I ftp to my Office PC using some ftp software ?
[02:01] <siretart> wood1: if thats the policy of your network, you should follow it
[02:02] <wood1> Well I will but I just asked if something could be done to connect to my Office pc from home
[02:02] <wood1> that will be good
[02:02] <linux_mafia> wood1, well either crack your network, or deal, admins often dont allow remote connections for security reasons
[02:02] <siretart> wood1: you could try to make your ssh listen on other ports than 22, e.g. port 21 or port 80
[02:02] <wood1> Well how do I do that ?
[02:02] <Rattboi> wood1: siretart's idea should work
[02:03] <siretart> but that would probably be against your network policy. I strongly suggest talking to your system administrator
[02:03] <wood1> How do I configure SSH to listen or talk to Port 21 or 80 ?
[02:03] <siretart> wood1: you would have to edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[02:04] <siretart> wood1: information about options there can be found in the manpage sshd_config(5)
[02:04] <wood1> thanks siretart, I will see the manpage for sshd
[02:05] <siretart> wood1: you're welcome, but take care..
[02:06] <wood1> By the way, How do I setup a Terminal Server, I can't connect to my other PCs running on Ubuntu from the Terminal Server Client ?
[02:06] <wood1> It's strange, I can connect to the other PCs using SSH
[02:06] <wood1> OK siretart
[02:07] <wood1> Which protocol do I have to use to connect from Terminal Server Client to other PCs on my Network which are also running on Ubuntu ?
[02:07] <siretart> wood1: you would have to start a vnc server on the computer to be remote controlled. but check with your network policy if you are permitted to install one..
[02:08] <wood1> Of course I am permitted to do that
[02:08] <theine> What's a terminal server?
[02:09] <wood1> siretart, how do I start a VNC Server on the computer to be controlled ?
[02:09] <siretart> theine: i'm also quite unsure what he could mean with that. I guess he means a vnc server
[02:10] <theine> vncserver :2
[02:10] <siretart> wood1: never have done that. I just connect via ssh using option "-X" and start graphical applications from the shell. The are displayed on my local computer..
[02:10] <theine> siretart: you should check out vnc, it's a *lot* faster than ssh x tunneling
[02:11] <siretart> theine: but password and data going unencrypted over wire/wifi is unacceptable for me.
[02:11] <wood1> siretart, do I have to ssh to the other PC as root ?
[02:12] <theine> wood1: No!
[02:12] <theine> siretart: I can see that
[02:12] <siretart> wood1: nope. only ssh server must run as root (in normal setups). ssh client is running as user just fine
[02:12] <wood1> I can't access the Graphical X Session
[02:13] <siretart> thats right
[02:13] <siretart> its only for newly started applications
[02:13] <wood1> What's that ?
[02:13] <siretart> start an xterm in ssh and you'll understand
[02:14] <theine> siretart: appearently you can tunnel vnc through ssh
[02:14] <wood1> I am now really confused now
[02:15] <siretart> theine: yes, but would that be faster than plain x11 forwarding?
[02:15] <wood1> I can use the Terminal Server Client to connect to an NT Machine easily but why am I having problems connecting to a Ubuntu Machine ???
[02:15] <theine> siretart: good question :)
[02:16] <theine> siretart: but I would guess it will
[02:16] <wood1> dir
[02:16] <siretart> wood1: because the rdesktop protocoll microsoft is using has not been published in a way ubuntu could adapt it. the rdesktop client is working quite well but an rdesktop server is not available :(
[02:16] <sladen> wood1: Ubuntu isn't windows1
[02:17] <sladen> wood1: this is like pointing Windows Terminal Services at an Apple Mac and expecting it to work
[02:17] <wood1> But connecting 2 Ubuntu PCs using a Graphical tool should be a easy task
[02:17] <siretart> wood1: starting an vncserver should be an easy task
[02:18] <sladen> wood1: remember that with Unix, more than 1 person can use the machine at once
[02:18] <wood1> The question is: How do I starting a VNC Server in the first place ?
[02:18] <sladen> wood1: from machineA type:   ssh -X -C wood1@machine2 xterm
[02:19] <sladen> wood1: for VNC,   sudo apt-get install vncserver
[02:19] <theine> siretart: It is faster, I just checked
[02:19] <theine> siretart: works really nice
[02:21] <siretart> theine: i still fighting with it..
[02:21] <theine> siretart: have a look at http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html
[02:22] <siretart> theine: yes, I found that link
[02:22] <siretart> what is my password?
[02:22] <wood1> But I have one big problem on the Remote Ubuntu PC
[02:22] <wood1> It's running on Hoary and it does not let me install anything at all
[02:23] <wood1> I get errors while:   apt-get upgrade
[02:23] <wood1> And I can't go on
[02:23] <Rattboi> wood1: what kind of errors?
[02:23] <wood1> It's relating to OpenOffice.org
[02:24] <wood1> Is there any way to bypass these Errors
[02:24] <wood1> Now I can't even remove or install anything on the Hoary Machine
[02:25] <siretart> wood1: I heard there are some known problems with openoffice.org packages in hoary and uploads fixing that are pending..
[02:26] <siretart> wood1: if you need a stable and reliable system you shouldn't use a development branch..
[02:26] <wood1> Well is there anyway to bypass these Errors.
[02:26] <sladen> wood1: it depends what the errors are!
[02:26] <sladen> wood1: (you haven't said)
[02:26] <wood1> Well I am using Hoary on a Test Machine so I just used Hoary on it
[02:28] <potato_head> Does synaptic remove dependancies that are no longer required, like aptitude will?
[02:28] <theine> potato_head: I don't think so, but they are listed in ``local or obsolete'' for sure
[02:28] <siretart> theine: yes, vnc via ssh is quite usable. thank you for the hint!
[02:28] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[02:28] <theine> siretart: you're very welcome
[02:29] <wood1>  cannot remove `/usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif': Permission denied
[02:29] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:29] <wood1>  openoffice.org
[02:29] <wood1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:30] <siretart> theine: can I tell vncserver to bind to a specific interface? I want it to listen only to localhost
[02:30] <wood1> I really don't understand this OpenOffice problem in Hoary
[02:30] <potato_head> theine: ta
[02:31] <theine> siretart: I guess you can block the ports VNC uses
[02:31] <wood1> Is there anyway to bypass the Errors in Hoary while doing: sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[02:31] <siretart> theine: sorry, I'm not the systemadministrator of that network
[02:31] <wood1> sladen, help me ?
[02:32] <theine> siretart: In that case I don't know
[02:32] <siretart> ok
[02:33] <wood1> sladen and siretart and everybody , do you know a way to bypass the upgrade errors in Hoary
[02:36] <wood1> Anybody here knows a way to bypass the Errors in: apt-get upgrade   ?
[02:36] <wood1> I really need help
[02:36] <thenuke> I think that -f = -force but it of course might not be good idea to bypass errors?
[02:37] <wood1> Using apt-get -f does not seem to work
[02:37] <siretart> wood1: check why root can't remove /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif
[02:37] <siretart> wood1: perhaps some directorys have broken permissions?
[02:37] <wood1> Well even as root, I can't access that file !!!
[02:38] <theine> wood1: but it does exist or what?
[02:38] <siretart> then that could be your problem
[02:38] <Schugy> hello happy ubuntu'ers I have just joined the com :-)
[02:38] <wood1> It does but I get the permission denied while typing: ls redat.gif or   cat   redat.gif
[02:39] <wood1> as the root user
[02:39] <thenuke> Schugy: hello, and welcome
[02:39] <siretart> hi Schugy
[02:39] <Schugy> upgrading from SuSE 8.2 I have a lot of things to learn and to tweak
[02:39] <theine> wood1: I can hardly believe that...
[02:40] <Schugy> rpm  vs. apt e.g.
[02:40] <siretart> Schugy: I left SuSE with Version 7.2 ;) [started with 4.3] 
[02:40] <theine> wood1: maybe try ``chmod +r redat.gif'' as root
[02:40] <usual> how do I burn a mp3 to a cd as an audio track in ubuntu?
[02:41] <wood1> I am very sorry but I just checked. There is not redat.gif    file   at all !!!!!!!!
[02:41] <Schugy> well, I've started with SuSE 7.0 because at that time I've got my own pc
[02:41] <theine> wood1: does that give errors as well?
[02:41] <siretart> wood1: try creating one with `touch /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif`. does this work?
[02:42] <potato> usual, k3b
[02:42] <brix^> ok, it's the same: think to a vaid string of length n
[02:42] <Schugy> well, I miss my ICEWM!
[02:42] <usual> potato, thats the only option??
[02:42] <brix^> and look at the last letter
[02:42] <potato> I don't say that's the only option
[02:42] <wood1> I get the permission denied message
[02:42] <JStrike> usual : You will have to find a CD Burning app that does that. Or use patched Muine
[02:42] <siretart> Schugy: then apt-get install icewm ;)
[02:42] <usual> JStrike, where is patched muine
[02:42] <potato> you could also just convert it to wav and make an iso with some command line tools
[02:43] <brix^> if it's a 'c', you can append an 'a' or a 'b' or a 'c', so you can have 3A(n) valid strings of legth (n+1) if the last letter iwas a 'c'
[02:43] <siretart> wood1: check every directory in that path for permissions. something seems to be weird.
[02:43] <wood1> I guess I should do that
[02:43] <JStrike> usual : Google for the patch
[02:43] <wood1> There is no redat.gif    and   I can't also create a new file with the name   redat.gif
[02:44] <theine> wood1: does the directory /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf exist?
[02:44] <wood1> It does
[02:44] <wood1> There are files with the gif extensions
[02:44] <theine> wood1: and *as root* you cannot create anything in there?
[02:45] <wood1> Yes I can't
[02:45] <wood1> as a root
[02:45] <Schugy> well siretart, maybe i have to specify a server with an ubuntu package?
[02:45] <theine> wood1: how do you become root if i may ask?
[02:45] <wood1> Well I did:    sudo -s
[02:46] <wood1> sudo -s to be root
[02:46] <wood1> Ok I will try to delete the www-graf directory
[02:46] <siretart> Schugy: you would have to enable the "universe" directory in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:46] <theine> wood1: are you sure you want to do that?
[02:47] <wood1> Ok there are all files with the gif extensions
[02:47] <wood1> However there are no files after the alphabet "o"
[02:47] <wood1> I mean there are now files with the names starting with r,s,t,....z
[02:48] <theine> wood1: have you tried to re-install openoffice with synaptic?
[02:48] <Schugy> I've just had a CD out of my Linux User magazine and now I don't have an idea of doing anything
[02:48] <wood1> I did but still no luck
[02:48] <wood1> I tried removing it
[02:48] <wood1> It did not work
[02:48] <wood1> I tried upgrading, it did now work
[02:48] <theine> wood1: what do you get if you do apt-get reomve openoffice.org?
[02:49] <siretart> Schugy: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePackages/
[02:50] <usual> JStrike, did you apply this patch?
[02:50] <theine> siretart: when I think about, I think I'm going to suggest to my sysadmin to close the VNC ports...
[02:50] <wood1> Still problems
[02:51] <theine> wood1: well, could you give the exact error message?
[02:52] <wood1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:52] <wood1>   openoffice.org-bin: Depends: openoffice.org (> 1.1.2+1.1.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <wood1>  openoffice.org-debian-files: Depends: openoffice.org (> 1.1.2+1.1.3) but it is not going to be installed
[02:52] <wood1> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[02:53] <theine> wood1: and you did apt-get update previously?
[02:53] <wood1> Yes it works
[02:53] <wood1> after that: apt-get upgrade does not work
[02:54] <usual> how would I apply a .patch file to a dir?
[02:54] <usual> I used patch -i but i get errors
[02:57] <theine> wood1: sorry, i don't know how to resove this, ask someone more knowledgeble
[02:57] <mouu> hi
[02:58] <cenerentola> hi there... a friend of mine is having problem with graphics... when he bootup, at the time gdm should start
[02:58] <theine> wood1: or search on google
[02:58] <cenerentola> the screen gets covere of lines... even in shells
[02:59] <edulix> hello !
[02:59] <usual> this is bs , I'll just install k3b..damn shame
[02:59] <edulix> anyone noticed that after a machine ip change gnome doesn't want to start new apps till a gdm restart?
[02:59] <cenerentola> edulix:ciao
[03:00] <cenerentola> sincerely not
[03:01] <edulix> but have you tried that ? :P
[03:01] <cenerentola> well yes..
[03:01] <cenerentola> many times
[03:02] <edulix> uhm
[03:03] <cenerentola> how did you change those ips? via shell or with network-administration?
[03:03] <edulix> network-administration, but don't thin that it matters :)
[03:05] <edulix> 1 more question: does ubuntu provide a graphical tool to modify runlevels?
[03:06] <cenerentola> dunno sorry
[03:07] <mjr> no
[03:07] <cenerentola> edulix: what a script does is not always sure, what you do might be not correct but you know what you have done
[03:08] <cenerentola> edulix: ... have you tried ifconfig?
[03:08] <cenerentola> hi scoon
[03:08] <scoon> cenerentola, hey there.
[03:20] <kagou> I have a "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)" it seem's that ubuntu load the "8390                   11424  1 ne2k_pci" module but i can't get it working at 100 (just at 10)
[03:20] <kagou> how can i force the 100 speed
[03:23] <flam> kagou: try to use mii-tool
[03:24] <kagou> ok flam thnx
[03:26] <kagou> flam my card is too old and don"t support "SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported"
[03:27] <scoon> anybody know how to get gdm to read ~/.xsession ? ? ?
[03:31] <kagou> where can i put parameters for modules loaded automatically by ubuntu (i mean i wan't to add :  full_duplex=1 to the ne2k_pci module)
[03:31] <cenerentola> /etc/modules is it possible?
[03:32] <scoon> cenerentola, yes, it is. i pass options into the nvidia module that way
[03:32] <cenerentola> kagou: got it?
[03:32] <cenerentola> scoon: what options do u pass?
[03:32] <kagou> i don't know if ubuntu load modules listed in /etc/modules first
[03:32] <scoon>  NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1\
[03:33] <scoon> cenerentola,  NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1
[03:33] <scoon> cenerentola, sorry about that
[03:33] <cenerentola> nothing..
[03:36] <Rene_S> Whoa, something in Hoary is eating memory
[03:40] <Rene_S> odd, seems to be stable now.  still using more memory than i thought it would
[03:42] <|trey|> Rene_S: top <-- see what the guilty party is...
[03:42] <wood1> Sorry for the delay but I am back
[03:43] <wood1> Dear All, I am having problems in Hoary since last week
[03:43] <wood1> I get the Eroooorrrrrrs :
[03:43] <wood1> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:43] <wood1>   openoffice.org-bin: Depends: openoffice.org (> 1.1.2+1.1.3) but it is not going to be installed
[03:43] <Rene_S> Xorg seems to be more memory intensive than i remember it being,
[03:43] <|trey|> wood1: None here... maybe you shouldn't be using hoary?
[03:43] <|trey|> Rene_S: trying to use Composite?
[03:44] <|trey|> wood1: worked here... strange...
[03:44] <|trey|> wood1: when was the last time you apt-get update'd?
[03:44] <wood1> Well I already have installed Hoary. How do I turned it back to Warty ?
[03:44] <|trey|> wood1: reinstall  :/
[03:44] <wood1> A few minutes ago
[03:44] <Rene_S> Nah, its a hog.  I may have done something to it somplace.  No biggie ill keep an eye on it, worst case is I drop back to Warty
[03:44] <|trey|> wood1: my system doesn't report any packages "not upgraded"...
[03:45] <scoon>  anybody know how to get gdm to read ~/.xsession ? ? ?
[03:45] <wood1> What will  reinstall:/   do exactly   ?
[03:45] <Rene_S> try reloading your apt list
[03:45] <|trey|> scoon: it should be trying by default... my change it to '~/.xinit'  ?
[03:45] <Rene_S> you seem to be looking at last weeks package list
[03:45] <wood1> scoon, why don't you just create a Xauthortiy file
[03:45] <Rene_S> OO.O is at 1.1.3
[03:46] <scoon> |trey|, no it does not.
[03:46] <|trey|> scoon: doesn't read as '~/.xinit'?
[03:46] <|trey|> scoon: uhh... ~/.xinitrc actually  :/
[03:46] <wood1> But I can't get past the part:   apt-get upgrade ?
[03:47] <scoon> |trey|, not that I saw in /etc/gdm/Xsession
[03:47] <wood1> What could be wrong with my Hoary ???
[03:47] <scoon> |trey|, no it def does not read that.
[03:47] <wood1> I also get:     openoffice.org-debian-files: Depends: openoffice.org (> 1.1.2+1.1.3) but it is not going to be installed
[03:47] <scoon> |trey|, could you look at /etc/gdm/Xsession ?  I want to change gdm behavior from default to custom
[03:47] <|trey|> scoon: k, change '/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc'... this will effect all users though...
[03:47] <Rene_S> wood1, do an apt-get update
[03:48] <wood1> Yes I did, apt-get update it works perfectly
[03:48] <wood1> This ERROR:      openoffice.org-bin: Depends: openoffice.org (> 1.1.2+1.1.3) but 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 is installed
[03:49] <wood1> what is opneoffice.org 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 mean exactly ???
[03:49] <Rene_S> well i downloaded all the hoary files yesterday and I didnt have dependancy problems, last week though i had the same one you have now
[03:49] <|trey|> scoon: umm.. ok  :/
[03:49] <scoon> |trey|, does that make sense to you ?
[03:49] <|trey|> scoon: yes...
[03:49] <wood1> Rene_S what did you do to correct it ?
[03:50] <scoon> |trey|, the way I read it is that the default behavior is to NOT read ~/.xsession
[03:50] <scoon> |trey|, is that what you get out of it as well ?
[03:50] <Rene_S> wood1, I made sure my sources were up to date and I did a dist-upgrade
[03:50] <wood1> apt-get update works fine
[03:50] <evandro> hi
[03:51] <Rene_S> you using apt or synaptic ?
[03:51] <evandro> I installed ubuntu in my box, it asks for a reboot, and grub gives me Error 16
[03:51] <evandro> tried to install 3 times
[03:51] <evandro> could anyone help me ?
[03:51] <wood1> What is openoffice.org  1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 ?
[03:51] <|trey|> scoon: USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession   ... :/
[03:51] <Rene_S> its the version of the Office Package
[03:52] <wood1> Can somebody guide or tell me how to remove OpenOffice from my Ubuntu Hoary ?
[03:52] <evandro> please :/
[03:52] <scoon> |trey|, yes i know that.  but it does not get used w/ the default gdm behavior
[03:52] <Rene_S> apt-get remove openoffice.org
[03:52] <wood1> It does not work
[03:53] <wood1> I have tried it already
[03:53] <ogra> evandro: play a little with the LBA settings in your BIOS.....mostly this is the prob in such cases
[03:53] <wood1> I am having sleepless nights since I have been facing the problem
[03:53] <Rene_S> wood1, open synaptic
[03:54] <Rene_S> let me know when you done that
[03:55] <wood1> OK I will now do that
[03:55] <wood1> Rene_S
[03:56] <Rene_S> wood1, goto settings ---repositories
[03:56] <Rene_S> tell me what checked off in there
[03:59] <|trey|> wood1: Error16 = Inconsistent filesystem structure    This error is returned by the filesystem code to denote an internal error caused by the sanity checks of the filesystem structure on disk not matching what it expects. This is usually caused by a corrupt filesystem or bugs in the code handling it in GRUB.
[03:59] <Rene_S> Oh that cant be good
[04:00] <|trey|> wood1: best suggestion, get a livecd and try fsck'ing the disk  :/
[04:00] <Rene_S> Jeez that error is somewhat familiar, oh yeah it happens to me all the time in WINDOWS hehe
[04:01] <wood1> My Sources list has:   deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[04:01] <wood1> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary main restricted
[04:01] <illustre> i want to install ubunto on my current machine - the last partition hda4 has 39gb  i want to allocate from that one like 10gb to ubuntu for exploration, when i got to the partitioning it tells me its going to write the partition without giving me the chance to resize it  how would i resize this partiion?
[04:02] <Rene_S> ok
[04:02] <wood1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hoary universe
[04:02] <Rene_S> hit reload
[04:02] <|trey|> wood1: why are you telling us this?
[04:02] <Rene_S> I asked him too
[04:02] <|trey|> Rene_S: ahh... ok  :/
[04:03] <Rene_S> He is having trouble with Openoffice
[04:03] <|trey|> ahh... evandro is the person with the grub prob  :/
[04:04] <Rene_S> hehe yeah, his comp prolly exploded waiting for an answer :)
[04:04] <wood1> Rene_s, I get the message that I have 3 Broken lines or links in Synaptic
[04:04] <Rene_S> ok one sec
[04:04] <|trey|> Rene_S: hopefully he is getting a hard start on reinstalling... probably trying to not use ext3  :/
[04:04] <stuNNed_> can i change 'hoary' to 'warty' in sources.list then `apt-get dist-upgrade` ?
[04:04] <|trey|> Probably reiserfs actually... thats what I mostly see it with myself  :/
[04:05] <Rene_S> ok, goto edit
[04:05] <|trey|> stuNNed_: no.
[04:05] <oling> why does the 2.6.9 not recognizes my wireless card, when 2.6.8 does?
[04:05] <Rene_S> and choose fix broken packages
[04:05] <wood1> Ok
[04:05] <|trey|> stuNNed_: apt can't downgrade yet.
[04:05] <stuNNed_> |trey|, ok thanks so best way is to reinstall i take it
[04:05] <|trey|> stuNNed_: yes.
[04:05] <|trey|> stuNNed_: s/best/only viable
[04:06] <wood1> Rene_s, should I hit the "Reload" button ?
[04:06] <Rene_S> then hit apply
[04:06] <oling> stunned_: sorry, just joined, but what is wrong with hoary?
[04:06] <guest1> hey ive just installed ubuntu on 6 emacs for a workshop im giving and for various reasons i have to install packages from debian repositories. what 'version' is ubuntu in debian standards?
[04:06] <illustre> i want to install ubunto on my current machine - the last partition hda4 has 39gb  i want to allocate from that one like 10gb to ubuntu for exploration, when i got to the partitioning it tells me its going to write the partition without giving me the chance to resize it  how would i resize this partiion?   anyone?
[04:06] <|trey|> oling: tab completion rules *cough*
[04:07] <|trey|> guest1: sid for hoary... testing is safest for warty... although they don't line up exactly  :/
[04:07] <guest1> ok thanks alot
[04:07] <Rene_S> guest1, unstable and testing
[04:07] <Rene_S> lol
[04:07] <wood1> Rene_s, Oh NO
[04:07] <Rene_S> too many guru's at once
[04:08] <wood1> I get the same Error Messages
[04:08] <Rene_S> hit reload now then
[04:08] <|trey|> Rene_S: whats funny? some things in sarge are even never then in warty... while sarge STILL isn't released...
[04:08] <invitro> Hi, I'm on Hoary hedgehog and can't find the MS Core Fonts... Isn't there supposed to be a package named msttcorefonts or something in universe?
[04:08] <stuNNed_> oling, can't get nvidia driver to install for a fx 6800 ultra -- that is pc -- and on laptop hoary and it's /proc weirdness currently, i.e. stuff disappearing in /proc...the biggest issue at this point though is not being able to get nvidia drivers working with 6800 ultra
[04:09] <|trey|> invitro: moved to multiverse.
[04:09] <wood1> Rene_s: what should I do next ?
[04:09] <Rene_S> Pray
[04:09] <|trey|> invitro: universe is now free but not supported... multiverse is non-free unsupported.
[04:09] <oling> i asked this question befor, but then my irc connection dropped. i would like to build a low-latency kernel. i did this with make-kpkg, but it doesn't boot (it also has no initrd)
[04:10] <Rene_S> choose mark all upgrades
[04:10] <invitro> |trey|: ah, thanks a lot. quite reasonably splitting of repos...
[04:10] <Rene_S> |trey|, I was chuckling because we both answered at the same time
[04:10] <|trey|> invitro: indeed  :)
[04:10] <oling> is there any chance that i can apply a mm patch to linux-source from ubuntu?
[04:10] <|trey|> Rene_S: ohh... heh  :P
[04:10] <|trey|> oling: umm, sure  :/
[04:10] <Rene_S> then choose apply wood1
[04:11] <wood1> Rene_s : Should I click the Smart Upgrade or Default Upgrade ?
[04:11] <Rene_S> smart
[04:11] <wood1> OK
[04:11] <|trey|> wood1: do you even know the difference? Smart Upgrade is the same as dist-upgrade, white default is simply "upgrade"... read man apt-get
[04:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> How can I know if I'm running warthy or hoary? My friend installed Ubuntu but doesnt know wich versin
[04:12] <|trey|> while*
[04:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> *version
[04:12] <wood1> trey, thanks for the information
[04:12] <oling> there is only warty as CD
[04:12] <Rene_S> |trey|, get off my tech support call hehe
[04:12] <Rene_S> |trey|, I aint splitting my fee with you
[04:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> oling: what do you mean?
[04:12] <oling> is there a CD whoch hoary on it?
[04:13] <|trey|> wood1: basic difference = upgrade only upgrades things that don't drastically change anything, while smart will upgrade and fix any outstanding deps...
[04:13] <wood1> My head is really spinning now
[04:13] <wood1> What is:    (Reading database ... 90252 files and directories currently installed.)
[04:13] <|trey|> Rene_S: lol  :P
[04:13] <stuNNed_> oling, i'm still undecided but need to resolve nvidia prob
[04:13] <|trey|> wood1: what does it sound like it means?
[04:13] <wood1> Preparing to replace openoffice.org 1.1.2dfsg1-2ubuntu2 (using .../openoffice.org_1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4_all.deb) ...
[04:13] <Rene_S> haha
[04:13] <Rene_S> success
[04:13] <|trey|> *does a happy dance*
[04:14] <wood1> Unpacking replacement openoffice.org ...
[04:14] <wood1> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org_1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4_all.deb (--unpack):
[04:14] <guest1> whats the likelihood of getting graphics accelleration on these emacs?
[04:14] <|trey|> wood1: STOP PASTING IT HERE!
[04:14] <Rene_S> ok wood i dont need all that
[04:14] <oling> stuNNed_, no idea with the nvidia stuff
[04:14] <wood1>  unable to stat `./usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif' (which I was about to install): Permission denied
[04:14] <|trey|> guest1: depends on the card...
[04:14] <|trey|> wood1: check the perms of that file...
[04:14] <stuNNed_> so i take it there is a dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
[04:14] <_|Imanewbie|_> How can I know if I'm running warthy or hoary? My friend installed Ubuntu but doesnt know wich versin
[04:14] <Rene_S> redhat,gif ?
[04:15] <|trey|> Rene_S: who cares... its not reading it either way
[04:15] <wood1> I checked but there is no "redat.gif" file at all
[04:15] <Rene_S> wood1, maybe you should consider just reinstalling Ubuntu and stay with warty for the time being
[04:15] <|trey|> _|Imanewbie|_: likely to be warty if s/he doesn't know.
[04:16] <Rene_S> wood1, I take it you are fairly new to Linux or maybe just debian ?
[04:17] <_|Imanewbie|_> |trey|: there isnt a way to be sure of it?
[04:17] <wood1> Well I am new to Linux
[04:17] <|trey|> _|Imanewbie|_: cat /etc/issue
[04:17] <Rene_S> yeah you can open a terminal
[04:17] <Rene_S> and type that
[04:17] <wood1> But everyone was new to Linux at one time of their lives
[04:17] <|trey|> wood1: I NEVER WAS  :|
[04:18] <wood1> Oh really
[04:18] <|trey|> [nana] 
[04:18] <wood1> Then you must be a GURU of Linux then
[04:18] <Rene_S> Its fine, hoary is a little in development, so maybe something more stable would work better to learn on
[04:18] <Rene_S> The warty version works really well
[04:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> Rene_S: this stability stuff is crap the thing is be on the edge taking the risks =)
[04:19] <stuNNed> |trey|, think i can get latest nvidia card 6800 ultra goodness to work with hoary?
[04:19] <wood1> Ok trey, can you tell me why I am getting the error:
[04:19] <|trey|> stuNNed: should be able to...
[04:19] <wood1>  unable to stat `./usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif' (which I was about to install): Permission denied
[04:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> stuNNed: take nvidia drivers
[04:19] <Rene_S> Hmm, I never climed a mountain before, but I dont think I would start of trying it by scaling everest
[04:19] <_|Imanewbie|_> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:19] <|trey|> wood1: I already told you, look at the permissions of the file!
[04:19] <stuNNed> |trey|, would it be critical if i switched cards from ati to nvidia and didn't run dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
[04:19] <wood1> The file redat.gif  does not exist !!!!!!!!
[04:20] <stuNNed> _|Imanewbie|_, sorry what do you mean?
[04:20] <Roptaty> wood1: Are there other files in that directory?
[04:20] <wood1> trey,   It does not exist
[04:20] <|trey|> stuNNed: umm, X likely wouldn't start ... hardly critical though...
[04:20] <_|Imanewbie|_> stuNNed: there are official packages for nvidia cards
[04:20] <wood1> Yes there are other gif files
[04:20] <wood1> But only from the alphabets  A to O
[04:20] <stuNNed> |trey|, yes, X doesn't start, ok, thanks
[04:20] <stuNNed> _|Imanewbie|_, ubuntu packages do you mean?
[04:20] <wood1> there are no files with their names starting with r,s,t,....... z
[04:21] <stuNNed> _|Imanewbie|_, referring to linux-restricted-modules or something?
[04:21] <wood1> in that particular directory
[04:21] <_|Imanewbie|_> nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver
[04:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> stuNNed: so if you need nvidia drivers -> apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:22] <stuNNed> _|Imanewbie|_, i found some info on binary driver in ubuntu's wiki, will try when i get home, thanks!
[04:22] <|trey|> wood1: weird, should say "file doesn't exist" then  :/   'touch /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif'
[04:22] <_|Imanewbie|_> stuNNed: nvidia-glx is the binar driver =p
[04:22] <|trey|> wood1: then try again
[04:22] <stuNNed> _|Imanewbie|_, can't get x to start but i probly skipped some steps, doh!
[04:22] <stuNNed> _|Imanewbie|_, got it thanks :)
[04:22] <illustre> i want to install ubuntu on my current machine - the last partition hda4 has 39gb  i want to allocate from that one like 10gb to ubuntu for exploration, when i got to the partitioning it tells me its going to write the partition without giving me the chance to resize it  how would i resize this partiion?   anyone?
[04:23] <mouu> how can I change root's password on ubuntu?
[04:23] <|trey|> illustre: it gave you the choice, but you didn't take it...
[04:23] <sladen> mouu: just use sudo:      sudo command-you-want-to-run-as-root
[04:23] <|trey|> mouu: sudo passwd root
[04:23] <wood1> Trey, I am root and I get the permission denied !!!!!
[04:24] <|trey|> wood1: blah, then touch it.
[04:24] <sladen> wood1: /why/ are you using a root login.  Please use sudo
[04:24] <mouu> ok
[04:24] <mouu> thanks
[04:24] <|trey|> wood1: that will create the file  :/
[04:24] <|trey|> wood1: should even make it look like a gif rather then a text file too  *g*
[04:25] <|trey|> wood1: hence dpkg will quit bitching and worst case scenario come up with something else to complain about...
[04:25] <Rene_S> me thinks if I wanna touch something it would be a file, maybe the wife though, or maybe someone elses wife :)
[04:25] <Roptaty> wood1: Do you get permission denied if you try to create another file in the same directory?
[04:25] <Rene_S> would not be a file rather
[04:25] <|trey|> Rene_S: so not funny... its a command...
[04:25] <Rene_S> Sure its funny
[04:26] <Roptaty> sladen: Why should he use sudo?
[04:26] <Rene_S> Jeeez tough room
[04:26] <|trey|> I'm not laughing... maybe someone else is?
[04:26] <linux_mafia> nope
[04:26] <|trey|> Roptaty: you HAVE to use it at least once...
[04:26] <linux_mafia> almost crying actually
[04:26] <|trey|> Roptaty: its more secure though... kinda like the newage 'wheel'  ;/
[04:26] <linux_mafia> wheel, haha
[04:26] <Rene_S> I suppose if I told someone to pour cold water on there hotplug to cool it down you would chastise me for that as well ?
[04:27] <Roptaty> |trey|: Now is it? More secure?
[04:27] <|trey|> Roptaty: more secure then su, yes.
[04:27] <illustre> |trey|sorry i did not see it can you repeat it
[04:27] <Roptaty> |trey|: Please elaborate on that one please.
[04:27] <illustre> |trey|: sorry i did not see it can you repeat it
[04:27] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, id make you run betas of rh 0.1
[04:28] <|trey|> Roptaty: man sudoers
[04:28] <Rene_S> Eeeks
[04:28] <Rene_S> that would prolly suck, i only started at 5.2
[04:28] <sladen> Roptaty: if you're new to Ubuntu or Mac OSX, please read http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:28] <|trey|> illustre: when it displays the partition settings, you can select and change those settings...
[04:28] <_|Imanewbie|_> How can I discover wich version of ubuntu am I running
[04:29] <sladen> Rene_S: I'd just point out that water and electricity don't mix :-)
[04:29] <illustre> |trey|: i did and it took to a screen where i see the size  but i dont see the ability to change the size
[04:29] <|trey|> _|Imanewbie|_: damnit, I already said, 'cat /etc/issue'
[04:29] <Rene_S> Humourless group today
[04:29] <Rene_S> Oh well cant win em all
[04:29] <Rene_S> :)
[04:29] <_|Imanewbie|_> |trey|: thx
[04:29] <|trey|> illustre: select the partition and hit enter.
[04:30] <Roptaty> sladen: I consider it quite insecure to use sudo. If there is a security hole in a program, a cracker can easily gain access to your system.
[04:30] <_|Imanewbie|_> |trey|: I love you =)
[04:30] <Rene_S> Ewwww
[04:30] <illustre> |trey|: when i hit enter it said change will be written to the partition so i did not want to write b4 rizesing whats why i got out did i miss somehting
[04:30] <sladen> Roptaty: could you ellaborate perhaps?
[04:31] <sval> Roptaty: yes ... ellaborate
[04:31] <linux_mafia> anyone using beagle?
[04:31] <Rene_S> i got 2 jack russels not beagles
[04:32] <Rene_S> hehe
[04:32] <|trey|> illustre: ugh... I don't understand what you are missing  :/
[04:32] <Rene_S> that one is good
[04:32] <Jelte> hi all... does anyone know of a MacOS X  style docker for gnome?  one that i can have my most used apps in, that neatly and smoothly zoom as i hover my mouse of it?
[04:32] <illustre> |trey|: where to resize it
[04:32] <linux_mafia> yeah, well i thought not, you should give it a try though, its a killer app
[04:33] <|trey|> illustre: you are going up to the partition you wish to resize? it should give you the options to resize change type, and something else...
[04:33] <|trey|> illustre: I use it every install to change to xfs  :/
[04:34] <Rene_S> Beagle looks like a nifty idea
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> morn all
[04:34] <|trey|> illustre: it seemed pretty self explainitory to me...
[04:34] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: morning  :P
[04:34] <illustre> |trey|: i dont see the option to resize
[04:34] <Tsjoklat> |trey| :P
[04:35] <Tsjoklat> 07.35 why am I up
[04:35] <illustre> |trey|: i see type  -something-  and size  but i tried to arroz the size and no luck
[04:35] <Rene_S> Because the sun arose and the birds are chirping and its a lovely day ??
[04:35] <Roptaty> When the cracker cracks into your system using for instance a security hole in xchat, irssi or whatever, he might change the password, and then use it to gain access to the superuser account (using sudo) or even change the superuser password with sudo
[04:36] <Tsjoklat> lovely day me arse *groan*
[04:36] <Rene_S> fine be that way
[04:36] <Tsjoklat> too early Rene_S!
[04:36] <Tsjoklat> can't be luverly
[04:36] <Rene_S> see if i say anything else for the rest of the day
[04:36] <|trey|> illustre: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=156&slide=7 <-- you need to say 'NO' here... then you get options to customize...
[04:36] <Tsjoklat> humph
[04:37] <Roptaty> If you have used sudo recently, it won't prompt you for a password.
[04:37] <|trey|> illustre: then you can select the partition etc...
[04:37] <Tsjoklat> |trey| do a jig will you
[04:38] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: jig?  :o
[04:38] <sladen> Roptaty: as opposed to leave a root prompt open that will allow unchecked root commands forever?
[04:38] <illustre> |trey|: ok thanks thats excatly where i was
[04:38] <Rene_S> Oh dont be talking to that |trey| fella, he horns in on peoples tech support calls and doesnt like my jokes :)
[04:38] <Tsjoklat> |trey| something pleasing for the sore eyes
[04:38] <wood1> Aaaaagrrrrh. my System crashed and got hanged
[04:39] <wood1> I am rebooting it now
[04:39] <|trey|> Rene_S: haha... :P
[04:39] <Roptaty> sladen: The ubuntu configuration of sudo allows all commands to be executed by the user.
[04:39] <sladen> Roptaty: are you aware that the timeout (by default 5 minutes before requiring a password again) is tied to that specific tty
[04:39] <|trey|> Roptaty: by the first user you create, yes.
[04:40] <Roptaty> |trey|: Yes, and how many use the first user you create? All.
[04:40] <Roptaty> sladen: Yes, I am aware of that.
[04:40] <|trey|> Roptaty: first user created is assumed to be the administrator...
[04:40] <Tsjoklat> thought it was mighty tame in here as of late
[04:40] <borgmeister> how do i exit a man page?
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> all has gone to Spain
[04:41] <sladen> Roptaty: correct.  The 'root' configuration of older operating systems allows all commands to be executed.  Could you ellaborate why only allowing that situation for 5minutes is (apparently) less secure?
[04:41] <|trey|> Roptaty: ok... most users make the root password on there boxes the same as a user password anyway...
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> ctrl + F4
[04:41] <|trey|> their*
[04:41] <|trey|> Roptaty: else they make is easier to guess... either way its bad  :/
[04:41] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: now now, thats not nice  :(
[04:41] <magneto> hey guys im running warty and cant compile a kernel without a ton of errors halting it over and over
[04:41] <Tsjoklat> |trey| what isn't? *snicker*
[04:42] <sladen> magneto: can you describe what errors?
[04:42] <|trey|> magneto: what do the errors say?
[04:42] <|trey|> sladen: thats too broad a question... he might start describing letters or something  :(
[04:42] <magneto> compilation errors for different drivers
[04:42] <magneto> make[2] : *** [drivers/block/deadline-iosched.o]  Error 1
[04:42] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: NOT NOW, BUSY... JOIN ME IN THE OFFICE IN 10 MINS  :P
[04:42] <magneto> indiscriminate
[04:43] <mouu> how can I start sshd's demon?
[04:43] <Roptaty> sladen: Because the normal user might not be aware of the situation, and start an insecure program during this time.
[04:43] <|trey|> mouu: /etc/init.d/sshd start
[04:43] <sladen> mouu: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start
[04:43] <Karthik085> I'm having problems with screen resolution. There is just 640*480 I can select. I want 1024*768. Can someone help me with it?
[04:43] <|trey|> sladen: beat you, nana
[04:43] <magneto> i installed all the build tools gcc is fine too
[04:43] <Roptaty> sladen: At least when using su, you have closed this door.
[04:44] <Tsjoklat> huh huh office
[04:44] <stuNNed> |trey|, but if i don't follow the guide on switching video cards on the wiki i say 90% it work work very much?
[04:44] <mouu> there's no ssh on /etc/init.d/
[04:44] <sladen> Roptaty: then don't give 'normal' users sudo access.  Only the first user (the one *installing* the machine) is assumed to be an administrator by default.  It is up to you to decide whether or what to delegate to further users you (==the adminisrator) create.
[04:44] <magneto> i can continue by running make again and the error point will pass fine and it will fail later on
[04:44] <|trey|> mouu: try installing it?
[04:44] <Roptaty> sladen: Sure. But does the normal user know this?
[04:45] <|trey|> stuNNed: umm, you should just have to change the driver and get rid of dri  :/
[04:45] <sladen> magneto: are you using  make-kpkg
[04:45] <stuNNed> |trey|, sorry, won't work, that is very much
[04:45] <mouu> apt-get install ssh ?
[04:45] <stuNNed> |trey|, ok i'll check it out when i get home very much
[04:45] <magneto> no sladen - normal kernel not deb style
[04:45] <sladen> Roptaty: a normal user cannot do *anything* with sudo unless *you* give them the permission to do so(!)
[04:45] <Tsjoklat> not going to Spain |trey|? gotta keep the fort at bay?
[04:46] <linux_mafia> i wish i was going to spain
[04:46] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: Wait, why would I be going to Spain?
[04:46] <Roptaty> sladen: I am thinking about new users to ubuntu or any other linux distro with the same approach. They are the "normal" users. You and me... are geeks... :p
[04:46] <sladen> magneto: have you considered doing it the ''Debian/ubuntu way''?
[04:46] <Tsjoklat> |trey| errr
[04:46] <|trey|> linux_mafia: this time of year, Spain wouldn't be so nice... and besides, all I am missing here is a beach  :P
[04:46] <linux_mafia> why not nice? winter there?
[04:47] <magneto> sladen- even the ubuntu wiki suggests the "normal" way ;)  no i dont want a deb style kernel
[04:47] <|trey|> Already got the Spanish and Heat parts down  :P
[04:47] <sladen> Roptaty: could you give an example of a command line.  I'm puzzled and misunderstanding what you're saying that a user would be able to do?
[04:47] <linux_mafia> meant to be summer here, cold and raining
[04:47] <|trey|> magneto: the wiki tells you whatever someone put there, its not necissarily the Best Way (tm)
[04:47] <magneto> sladen: thing is on different hardware i had none of these problems -
[04:47] <mouu> how can I install ssh?
[04:47] <Roptaty> sladen: sudo -s for instance. then you have your shell.
[04:48] <magneto> trey- debian style kernel packaging is not the best way
[04:48] <Tsjoklat> ah well for us ppl that have to stay behind it will be nice not to have to read: #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:48] <Karthik085> trey: I'm having problems with screen resolution. There is just 640*480 I can select. I want 1024*768. Can someone help me with it?
[04:48] <magneto> its the debian way
[04:48] <sladen> mouu: it's installed by default, but.    sudo apt-get install ssh
[04:48] <magneto> anyway this is not the point
[04:48] <|trey|> mouu: apt-get install ssh
[04:49] <stuNNed> |trey|, i'd hate to have to uninstall unstable just to get video working very much
[04:49] <sladen> |trey|: please don't.  that is almost as bad as using 'su'
[04:49] <Tsjoklat> |trey| dearest do you know any good sites with/about gdesklets
[04:49] <mouu> |trey|: ssh is installed, why can't I found ssh on /etc/init.d ?
[04:50] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: nope  :(  only played with the collection in gdesklets-data  :(
[04:50] <linux_mafia> the package is openssh-server
[04:50] <linux_mafia> jesus
[04:50] <Tsjoklat> |trey| which sucks donkey balls
[04:51] <Tsjoklat> |trey| want to write something myself
[04:51] <sladen> Roptaty: please explain why you feel that  sudo -s  is worse that a root window?  (I'll grant that it is /as bad as/...)
[04:51] <Erix> hi
[04:51] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: I dunno, I just wanted to play with them... there are a few nice little things in there... what you have in mind?
[04:51] <Tsjoklat> http://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=PREVIEW&source=http://skins3.wincustomize.com/Tiggz/dx/killer_news_preview.jpg
[04:51] <Tsjoklat> that
[04:52] <Roptaty> sladen: Because there is a slight chance that you will not be prompted for a password, if you are within the time window.
[04:52] <Tsjoklat> I would love to have that for nix
[04:52] <stuNNed> sladen, only time need to 'su -' is when running k3b-setup, amongst like 1 or 2 other things that could mess up your ~ dir
[04:52] <|trey|> sladen: its the same as... but when you have to issue more then one command as root, sudo itself gets tedious...
[04:52] <linux_mafia> Roptaty, what is a "normal" user in your hypothetical situation?
[04:52] <sladen> Roptaty: to get to that situation you would have had to have used sudo on that terminal in the last 5minutes?
[04:53] <sladen> |trey|: most of the commands you issue when ''working as root'' don't need to be run as root
[04:53] <Tsjoklat> tis such a nice BBC News thingy
[04:53] <|trey|> sladen: umm, wrong...
[04:53] <sladen> |trey|: you should be using  sudo  in front of the actual commands that do need it
[04:53] <|trey|> sladen: *I* only do whats needed  :/
[04:54] <Gorth> Are there any good tutorial on how to install ubuntu onto a software raid0?
[04:54] <sladen> |trey|: that is good practise.  Do you keep an audit log of what you're doing?
[04:54] <Roptaty> linux_mafia: You are running as the "administrator" now? Same as the 99% rest of thebunch in this room.
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> |trey| did you have a looksee at the pic?
[04:55] <|trey|> sladen: I dunno... annoyances with pipes is my main reason... I never remember, so I just use sudo -s  :/
[04:55] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: which one? I've seen all that I know of  :o
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> http://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=PREVIEW&source=http://skins3.wincustomize.com/Tiggz/dx/killer_news_preview.jpg
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> that one
[04:55] <thenuke> any difference in sudo -s and sudo su?
[04:55] <Tsjoklat> for the thing I want to write for nix
[04:56] <|trey|> TheMuso: sudo su would be pointless for one...
[04:56] <scoon> anyone else care to take a shot at how to get gdm to read ~/.xsession files ?
[04:56] <|trey|> thenuke: ^^
[04:56] <Roptaty> sladen: Thats correct. But you have opened up for the possiblity. How often does a user run apt-get update/install/dist-upgrade or other commands that requires superuser.
[04:56] <scizzo> ummm...having problems with my sound
[04:56] <|trey|> thenuke: sudo -s is basically su - in that it gives you roots environment
[04:56] <CPUhome> How can I get root access on my box ? sudo su - or sudo -s didn't work
[04:56] <sladen> Roptaty: about 20 times in the last hour
[04:57] <sladen> Roptaty: if you know you've finished using sudo.  Type  sudo -k  to clear the timestamp and enforce a password entry the next time (eg. ''closing the terminal window'')
[04:57] <linux_mafia> Roptaty, yeah but its my home box, a "normal" user, say a student or office employee, is most likely in a network environment, probably dosent have a local account for starters (ldap, etc), and the security policies of the admin keep any buggering about by "normal" users impossible, if not diffucult
[04:57] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: ahh, that seems like it would make a cool desklet  :)   not sure how possible it is though?  and I think there is already a rss gdesklet?
[04:57] <sladen> Roptaty: and when you're typing similar commands over and over, it's really useful to have them in your command history, so you can just  Ctrl-R  in bash to fetch and use them
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> |trey| like I said that one sucks donkey balls! I want a really cool neato one like the pic
[04:58] <Roptaty> linux_mafia: How many users use ubuntu on their home boxes do you think?
[04:58] <scizzo> anyone that has a Sound Blaster Live! running on their system that can help me get things going?
[04:58] <linux_mafia> how the hell would i know
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> I don't use ubuntu
[04:58] <Tsjoklat> I use windows
[04:58] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: heh... I didn't see that you wanted a rss desklet... yeah, would have difficulties in the layout, but would be a fun project  :)
[04:58] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: wait, wtf?
[04:59] <stuNNed> lol
[04:59] <magneto> yeah scizzo
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> |trey| oh yeah windows all the way baby
[04:59] <Roptaty> linux_mafia: Most people that install ubuntu install it on their home box, and tend to use the first user, as the normal user.
[04:59] <sladen> Roptaty: I'd be interested if you find out the current percentages of Home/SME/Corporate users.  It would be useful for marketing purposes
[04:59] <|trey|> Tsjoklat: you so better be kidding... else we can't talk anymore  :(
[04:59] <Tsjoklat> |trey| can I tell you after the office meeting?
[04:59] <scizzo> magneto: it does not work here....running Rhythmbox tells me nothing also
[04:59] <|trey|> Umm, sure  8)
[05:00] <carlos> Anyone knows how could I play a realmedia file encoded with realvideo 9 with mplayer? (that way I will be able to recode it as theora...)
[05:00] <magneto> scizzo: volume? is rhythmbox working?
[05:00] <Roptaty> sladen: Dont you think corps, schools or other ppl that need multiuser enviroments turn to *bsd systems?
[05:00] <Tsjoklat> ah dangrabbitbuggeroe broke a nail brb
[05:01] <linux_mafia> Roptaty, and? whats your point? if their dumb enough to do something dickish using sudo, then they can just as easily type rm -rf /* as root
[05:01] <scizzo> magneto: rhythmbox is running
[05:01] <magneto> carlos: try getting a new codec pack from mplayer's site
[05:01] <scizzo> magneto: but it is dead quiet
[05:01] <magneto> scizzo: what are you tryin to listen to
[05:01] <magneto> mp3?
[05:01] <veran> arghh
[05:01] <carlos> magneto: I tried it already last week without luck
[05:01] <magneto> did you install the necessary files for mp3s to play
[05:01] <scizzo> magneto: the radio
[05:02] <magneto> ohhh
[05:02] <veran> I like using nautilus to browse smb shares
[05:02] <veran> but if it won't authenticate correctly its useless
[05:02] <veran> even though I can manually access everything with the same samba config
[05:03] <scizzo> magneto: it plays mp3 also but gives me no sound
[05:03] <|trey|> scizzo: I've seen some issues simular...  restarting always fixes here, although its annoying...
[05:04] <pastyhermit> HOW DO i CHANGE MY pATH?
[05:04] <Rene_S> talk to GOD
[05:04] <Rene_S> hehe
[05:04] <magneto> scizzo: lspci              do you see your soundcard?
[05:04] <pastyhermit> I tried /etc/profile and ~/.bashrc
[05:04] <|trey|> pastyhermit: vi .bashrc
[05:04] <pastyhermit> and neither works and Im getting pissed
[05:04] <pastyhermit> all I need to do is fire eclipse
[05:04] <pastyhermit> and X says I dont have java in my PATH
[05:05] <Roptaty> linux_mafia: The point is that most users of ubuntu tend to use the first user they've created. Not the second, nor third, but the first.
[05:05] <sladen> Roptaty: Mac OSX is the most widely installed Unix-ish OS.  It is in some respects BSD derived.  So you may well be correct.  Also a large number of organisations use software made by a company called Microsoft, their NT5 based systems (win2k, xp...) use a BSD-derived TCP/IP stack.  You are right on that point too.  However, of the installations I've deployed personally, BSD hasn't factored and I suspect that holds for many people working in this industry.
[05:05] <|trey|> ahh... ~/.bash_profile...  PATH=  line...
[05:05] <|trey|> commented out by default
[05:05] <magneto> carlos: why not just use realplayer 10?
[05:06] <|trey|> magneto: cuz it only ads realplayer codecs?
[05:06] <scizzo> 0000:03:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[05:06] <carlos> magneto: I want to reencode it to theora
[05:06] <|trey|> scizzo: its worked before right?
[05:06] <carlos> magneto: and realplayer 10 does not let me do it
[05:06] <scizzo> on Debian yes
[05:06] <pastyhermit> |trey|, hrm thasts odd
[05:06] <scizzo> not tried it in ubuntu more then now
[05:06] <pastyhermit> I will try
[05:06] <sladen> Roptaty: And... are you expecting for people to install the machine and never use it, ''just in case they break it''?
[05:06] <magneto> trey: ?
[05:06] <linux_mafia> pastyhermit, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[05:06] <|trey|> pastyhermit: whats odd?
[05:07] <|trey|> scizzo: hmm... if you've heard no sounds via ubuntu, then its not working...
[05:07] <|trey|> scizzo: go find out what module you need
[05:07] <thenuke> ookey, I have a different sized harddrives, And want to clone the bigger one on the smaller one. does dd only copy the partitions? or will it try to copy things beyond the partitions and then fail because the target drive is smaller
[05:07] <|trey|> scizzo: ie type
[05:07] <|trey|> "Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 linux" into google.
[05:08] <scizzo> I have heard the normal sounds that ubuntu creates
[05:08] <pastyhermit> root@lydia:/home/rvirani # apt-get install java-package
[05:08] <pastyhermit> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:08] <pastyhermit> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:08] <pastyhermit> E: Couldn't find package java-package
[05:08] <pastyhermit> root@lydia:/home/rvirani #
[05:08] <magneto> scizzo: try  sudo rmmod snd_emu10k1   sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[05:08] <pastyhermit> so bleh
[05:08] <pastyhermit> Im trying |trey|'s way
[05:09] <Roptaty> sladen: No, you misunderstood. The case here is sudo, passwords and the timeframe. If sudo asked for the password every time, it would be safer. But since it default allows a 5 minute timeframe without asking for a password, a cracker may easily gain access to your whole syste,
[05:09] <|trey|> thenuke: it will copy all data it finds... so if you say dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb , it will complain because the data will be too big...
[05:09] <Roptaty> sladen: if the first user is compromised that is.
[05:09] <scizzo> hmmm....give me a second try...hold on
[05:09] <|trey|> pastyhermit: I haven't stated a way to install Java... but here :
[05:09] <thenuke> |trey|: argh. hmm. but does that complaining matter? because I do not have any data at the end of the source disk
[05:10] <Rene_S> Man if a cracker wants into my machine then he needs to get a life there is nothing worth stealing on here
[05:10] <thenuke> but maybe I just should rerun lilo or grub for the new harddisk. and then only copy those partitions..
[05:10] <sladen> Roptaty: sudo in ubuntu was originally set to ask a password ever time.  (timeout=0).  It drove people nuts and lead to people using and leaving open root windows on their desktop.  Thus defeating the purpose.
[05:10] <Roptaty> Rene_S: He might want to use your machine for cracking into another machine.
[05:10] <pastyhermit> |trey|, its been the same on every other distro, run the bin backage and set the path in~/.bashrc or /etc/profile
[05:10] <sladen> Roptaty: you are, however, free to set  timeout=0  on your sudo config and use that for a while
[05:10] <Rene_S> I suppose
[05:11] <Roptaty> sladen: Cool.. but i think i rather use sudo -s or su.
[05:11] <linux_mafia> thenuke, i followed this last time, old but still relevant http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
[05:11] <pastyhermit> gotta reboot
[05:11] <pastyhermit> err login and out (I hate this)
[05:11] <thenuke> linux_mafia: Thank you a lot
[05:11] <linux_mafia> pastyhermit, just source the file
[05:11] <sladen> Roptaty: why is 'compromising the first user' different to 'comprising the zeroth user'?
[05:11] <|trey|> pastyhermit: go to java.sun.com, click on JDK 5.0 on the right, click JRE, agree... download, chmod +x resulting jre file in home dir,  mv the resulting jre dir to /usr (just for shits) ... then ln -s /usr/jre1.5.0/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins'
[05:12] <linux_mafia> |trey|, or make a deb, which is a billion times more convenient
[05:12] <|trey|> linux_mafia: its really not though... enless you have like 10 machines that you want to install the .deb on  :/
[05:12] <Roptaty> sladen: Because comprimising the root user is quite hard when you are not running gnome and other stuff that the first user runs.
[05:13] <|trey|> linux_mafia: you still have to do the symlink  :/
[05:13] <linux_mafia> |trey|, no you dont
[05:13] <scizzo> hmmm
[05:13] <scizzo> works now
[05:13] <|trey|> linux_mafia: umm... well it doesn't do it for you... even using the debian files...
[05:13] <scizzo> seems like the sound server is unhappy
[05:14] <linux_mafia> it did it for me, i must be special
[05:14] <magneto> what did you do scizzo
[05:14] <Rene_S> I dunno, I dont see computers anymore vulnerable to attack then paper and pen was, people used them to forge things
[05:14] <|trey|> linux_mafia: guess so... :/
[05:14] <linux_mafia> heh
[05:14] <sladen> Roptaty: I assumed by 'compromising' you meant ''guessing the username and password of''.  It is easier to guess 'root' and *password* than it is to guess 'roptaty' and *password*, since 'root' is always the same.  If you have a different definition of compromise, could you share it with me.
[05:15] <|trey|> sladen: root is still there, just can't be logged into... can still be compromised as user 0 either way   :/
[05:15] <Roptaty> sladen: You are talking about remotely logging into system right? I am talking about using security holes in programs. Buffer overflows for instance.
[05:16] <ghita> hello!How to install lirc in ubuntu?
[05:16] <|trey|> ghita: ugh... apt-get install lirc
[05:16] <sladen> |trey|: correct.  I think you've proved your own point (or rather Roptaty's)
[05:17] <scizzo> magneto: turned off the sound server and restarted
[05:17] <ghita> ok!I did that.
[05:17] <sladen> Roptaty: okay, lets discuss security holes in programs instead.  Why does sudo affect this?
[05:17] <ghita> what do i do next?
[05:17] <sladen> ghita: sudo apt-get install lirc
[05:18] <ghita> ok!I did that.
[05:18] <ghita> what do i do next?
[05:18] <sladen> ghita: cd /etc/ ; ls lirc* ...
[05:18] <|trey|> sladen: I argued that sudo is a better option... it is far better then wheel as my example... however if a hacker really wants access, there is no way to stop them... there is always a way...
[05:18] <Rene_S> Well all systems, whether they be computer or non-technical can be comprimised in one way or the other.  Best thing we can hope for is that it wont happen to us.  Sad reality
[05:18] <sladen> |trey|: correctly.  exactly.
[05:19] <|trey|> sladen: he is taking the argument out of the realm of even his point...
[05:19] <pastyhermit> still NOTHING
[05:19] <pastyhermit> HOW DO I SET MY PATH
[05:20] <Roptaty> sladen: Alright.. Lets assume that a user installs for instance irssi, he used sudo to install it. Then from the same terminal, he starts up the program... But lets say there is a security hole in irssi. A cracker uses this security hole to gain a shell, and then issues the commands sudo -s. He will then have a root shell and may fuck up your entire system.
[05:20] <Xenguy> pastyhermit: Please press your CapsLock key once =)
[05:20] <|trey|> pastyhermit: ugh... you edit the PATH line in your .bash_profile... log out and back in... or source the file...
[05:20] <pastyhermit> |trey|, yeah
[05:20] <sladen> |trey|: I know  :-)   But it's proving mild intellectual stimulation whilst my food is cooking...
[05:20] <Roptaty> sladen: The possibility of these things to happens is very small, but it is still there.
[05:20] <Roptaty> to happen...
[05:20] <pastyhermit> I had to take out the if statement but yeah
[05:20] <|trey|> pastyhermit: if thats not working, I don't know what to tell you, thats how though.
[05:21] <|trey|> sladen: Killing time is always fun  :)
[05:21] <ghita> ok.Now please how to instal lirc_serial module?I tied 'dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source' but it complains about the kernel-source
[05:22] <ghita> and the kernel sources and headers ar installed
[05:22] <Rene_S> Then really Roptaty what u are in essence doing is fearmongering.
[05:23] <|trey|> Roptaty: Its far easier to run something like john on 'root' then say 'roptaty', if the hacker is using other means that bypass logins, then nothing can stop them other then fixing the code they rode in on  :/
[05:23] <sladen> Roptaty: as opposed to  Root  installing irssi, starting irssi as a different window in a different terminal, that getting exploited, firing up an program to grab the X display and feed artifictal keystrokes into the still-open root terminal on the same display?
[05:24] <sladen> pastyhermit:  export PATH="$PATH:/extra/paths"
[05:24] <|trey|> sladen: that only does it for the current session... editing .bash_profile etc will run it all the time, then sourcing the file will make it work now...
[05:25] <|trey|> much more useful
[05:25] <Rene_S> |trey|, thats really what it boils down to though is developers fixing the vulnerabilty.  Unfortunatly the dont always know that untill its too late.
[05:25] <|trey|> Rene_S: no offense, if you report the issue, and they fix it before I get presented with the same problem, I am happy  :)
[05:25] <linux_mafia> who here uses comcast as their isp?
[05:26] <Roptaty> |trey|: If the timeframe had been less or 0, the cracker could only fuck up your user, and not the entire system. ;)
[05:26] <Rene_S> If people or campanies would take more time in the develop and testing phases, instead of meeting release dates then things may not progress as fast
[05:26] <Rene_S> but they would be safer
[05:27] <pastyhermit> Rene_S, you're right
[05:27] <pastyhermit> but the other side is that technology would not progress, take a look at debiant stable
[05:27] <pastyhermit> I dont want to run Gnome 1.4
[05:28] <theine> is anybody getting segmentation faults when umounting filesystems during shutdown?
[05:28] <Rene_S> why not, if its safer and does what ya need.
[05:28] <sladen> pastyhermit: indeed, see also |trey|'s answer above about adding to .bash_profile et al
[05:28] <pastyhermit> Rene_S, and slow
[05:28] <pastyhermit> and useless when its that old
[05:28] <pastyhermit> sladen, I did
[05:28] <Rene_S> Well more people die in sports cars than volvo's
[05:29] <|trey|> pastyhermit: umm, Debian Stable would generally be a server... you likely wouldn't want X at all  :/
[05:29] <AElfwine> does omeone could tell me how to install a single file *.deb I've dowloaded ?
[05:29] <theine> AElfwine: dpkg -i
[05:29] <Rene_S> sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[05:29] <Roptaty> sladen: You can apply the same feeding to another terminal that has used sudo recently.
[05:30] <AElfwine> theine : thx
[05:30] <theine> am i the only one having serious issues with the latest hoary (segmentation faults when unmountung, empty /proc directory...)?
[05:30] <sladen> AElfwine:  sudo dpkg -i ./foo.deb  The real question is why you needed to download it separately.  If there's something missing, it would be better to make sure it gets into the main Ubuntu main/universe achives
[05:30] <pastyhermit> |trey|, yeah I use it as an example of everyone where to wait till software was "safe"
[05:31] <pastyhermit> because its gone through the testing that Rene_S was reffering too
[05:31] <|trey|> Roptaty: I told you how to enable root etc, I have told you sudo is a better option... if you don't think so, just use the root account... arguing about it is pointless.
[05:31] <AElfwine> sladen : is amsn in universe source so ?
[05:31] <sladen> Roptaty: congratulates, you'd just proved that sudo is /no less secure/ that using 'su'.  Perhaps we can move on now.
[05:31] <theine> AElfwine: of course
[05:31] <sladen> Roptaty: congratulations, you've just proved that sudo is /no less secure/ that using 'su'.  Perhaps we can move on now.
[05:31] <theine> AElfwine: I'd suggest you search in the repositories first
[05:32] <pastyhermit> sladen, wrong!
[05:32] <Rene_S> On the next As the Ubuntu turns, Microwaves can they really be exploited ?
[05:32] <pastyhermit> sladen, su starts a bash session, sudo does not
[05:32] <pastyhermit> sudo simply changes the effective UID when executing commands
[05:33] <|trey|> Rene_S: Anything that has a connection to the internet *can* be exploited... correct question should be "does it really matter if someone does?"
[05:33] <Rene_S> In the end though there is always gonna be mixed opinions on whether sudo or su is best, same as in all things
[05:33] <sladen> AElfwine: there's about 15,000 packages in Debian and Unubtu universe.  I believe that is one of them
[05:33] <theine> sladen: it's in there for sure
[05:34] <sladen> pastyhermit: correct.  If you have time on your hands, you could explain this to Roptaty
[05:34] <Rene_S> If someone hacks my Microwave be my guest, I get a new one
[05:34] <Roptaty> Rene_S: You are right there. Same way that people still prefer Internet Explorer over firefox ;)
[05:34] <pastyhermit> Roptaty, please read the conversation
[05:34] <|trey|> sladen: no... there are 15,000 in base/universe ... only like 2,000 in base though  :/
[05:34] <Roptaty> pastyhermit, sladen: I am well aware of how sudo works.
[05:35] <Rene_S> However; if we never discuss the differences then we are just adding to the ignorance that is running rampant in our society
[05:35] <Roptaty> pastyhermit: sudo -s gives you a shell.
[05:35] <|trey|> Roptaty: Lets put it like this, sudo was written for a reason... someone with the technical no how saw an issue, and attempted to fix it... if you don't see the same issue, just don't use sudo
[05:36] <|trey|> Roptaty: please though, shut up about it, we don't care.... it comes up too often to be entertaining.
[05:36] <Rene_S> Having said that i shall retire now to the comfort of my smoking room, ta ta gentlemen
[05:36] <|trey|> Rene_S: later man  :)
[05:36] <pastyhermit> Roptaty, but its default behavoir is different that su
[05:37] <pastyhermit> the whole idea of sudo is that you dont have to login
[05:37] <pastyhermit> and besides have you ever seen the /etc/sudoers file?
[05:37] <pastyhermit> you dont get that kind of granular security with su
[05:38] <|trey|> pastyhermit: thats really not the point... the true point is to not have to give out admin password, and to define how much administration another user can do...
[05:38] <pastyhermit> |trey|, that too
[05:38] <pastyhermit> :D
[05:38] <fissy> ello, what are peoples experiences with installing x.org 6.8 in ubuntu from source?
[05:38] <|trey|> pastyhermit: its not "that you dont have to login" because you do...
[05:39] <|trey|> fissy: I dunno, I was sleeping when I did it  :/
[05:39] <Roptaty> pastyhermit: I know. And thats a good reason why sudo was written. To give access to some commands for some users. Thats sudo's strength.
[05:39] <fissy> |trey|, :z
[05:39] <|trey|> fissy: I do know it worked though, cuz it was done when I woke up  8)
[05:39] <fissy> and you don't have a broken install? :D
[05:40] <|trey|> fissy: nope... I rule... cept I'm not using that version anymore... using Ubuntu's  :/
[05:40] <RubenV> Hi, I'm having trouble loading the ndiswrapper module
[05:40] <|trey|> RubenV: that sucks?
[05:40] <RubenV> yeah, no wireless anymre
[05:40] <fissy> |trey|, did you install that in warty, and if so how did you do it?
[05:41] <RubenV> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Invalid module format
[05:41] <RubenV> getting this highly annoying error
[05:42] <|trey|> fissy: no... but you can install the packages all the same... http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/
[05:42] <|trey|> fissy: you'll need one of each though... will get tedious prolly...
[05:42] <fissy> !
[05:43] <scoon> anybody know why ubuntu's gdm does not offer a custom session ?
[05:43] <|trey|> failing that, change to hoary, reinstall x-window-system-core to upgrade to xorg, then change back to warty.
[05:43] <fissy> hmm yeah
[05:44] <fissy> i think i'll just compile, but thanks :)
[05:44] <|trey|> scoon: it does... I have it loading a few extra things via ~/.xinitrc  :/
[05:44] <pastyhermit> |trey|, is ubuntu truly debian or is it too far off
[05:44] <pastyhermit> like knoppix for example
[05:44] <|trey|> pastyhermit: its Sid with fixes and small changes...
[05:44] <pastyhermit> (sorry about the dumb questions I never really took the time to use debian, it was harder to install than gentoo)
[05:44] <scoon> |trey|, and which one are you using ?  cuz i cant do that.
[05:45] <|trey|> scoon: which gdm?
[05:45] <pastyhermit> |trey|, small changes like a real installer lol
[05:45] <scoon> failsafe-gnome
[05:45] <scoon> default
[05:45] <scoon> gnome
[05:45] <|trey|> pastyhermit: no, although they changes the default installer script... same installer as sarge though  :/
[05:45] <scoon> i don't have a custom in there!!!
[05:46] <pastyhermit> oh
[05:47] <|trey|> scoon: ugh, you explicitly defined a new session? else its 'default'  :/
[05:48] <scoon> |trey|, that is what I have started to find out.  ubuntu took away my custom gdm.
[05:48] <|trey|> scoon: it didn't take it away... you just didn't create a new one by the sounds of things... you just changed the default  :/
[05:49] <scoon> |trey|, what does your custom session file look like ?
[05:49] <scoon> |trey|, did you make it here: /usr/share/xsessions
[05:49] <|trey|> scoon: I don't have a custom... just an ~/.xinitrc file that runs apps I want to start at startup  :/
[05:49] <|trey|> scoon: no
[05:50] <scoon> |trey|, i tried that, but it does not work.
[05:50] <scoon> |trey|, see the problem that I am having is that I use eclipse and java-gnome.
[05:50] <scoon> |trey|, gdm does not "know" anything that .bashrc has.
[05:51] <scoon> |trey|, in order for that eclipse and java-gnome to work (any other way than from a shell), gdm needs some user env vars
[05:51] <scoon> |trey|, I am just trying to figure out how to get that info to gdm when i log in.
[05:53] <mjr> my .xsesssion:
[05:53] <mjr> . /home/mjr/.environment
[05:53] <mjr> exec /usr/bin/gnome-session
[05:53] <mjr> hm, the first line was skipped: #!/bin/sh
[05:53] <borgmeister_> is there a 'startup' listing similar to win$lows XP in Ubuntu?
[05:54] <mjr> anyway, there you can define what variables you wil
[05:54] <mjr> l
[05:54] <mjr> borgmeister_, Session preferences
[05:54] <borgmeister_> mjr: thanks buddy
[05:55] <borgmeister_> hmm, not quite what i wanted then, i want to stop the ESD loading with ubuntu
[05:55] <mjr> sound preferences
[05:55] <Rene_S> I see the round table discussion on su vs sudo has ended, anyone come up with a resolution ?
[05:55] <borgmeister_> thanks
[05:56] <carloslocochabig> Hello. Anyone knows about selecting one of multiple sound cards in alsa?
[05:56] <Rene_S> Hmm I wonder if you can remove ESD altogether
[05:57] <|trey|> Rene_S: sure you can... Fedora doesn't have it at all for instance...
[05:57] <Rene_S> cool
[05:57] <Rene_S> I hate waste
[05:58] <|trey|> Rene_S: yes... if alsa can handle it on its own, sound servers are not necissary, and can add a level of complexity at times  :(
[05:58] <Rene_S> I have yet to see anything that alsa could not do
[05:58] <Rene_S> I dont do funky sound things
[05:59] <|trey|> Rene_S: It used to be able to play CD's if there was no cd>sound card cable... can't anymore  :/
[05:59] <Rene_S> aww
[05:59] <|trey|> Thats the only annoyance I have with it.
[05:59] <Rene_S> that would have been cool
[05:59] <Rene_S> Oh well time to buy the wife one i guess
[06:00] <|trey|> Rene_S: one of what?
[06:00] <Rene_S> Cable to hook up her sound to the cd
[06:01] <Rene_S> Then again we do have a stereo someplace
[06:01] <|trey|> Rene_S: someplace?  :o
[06:01] <Rene_S> its a novel thing, it plays cd's
[06:01] <Rene_S> hehe
[06:01] <|trey|> Mines huge, couldn't lose it if I tried  8)
[06:02] <Rene_S> I spend so much time in this room i forget what the rest of the house i am paying for looks like
[06:02] <Rene_S> Getting the fridge and snack cart in here was a mistake
[06:02] <|trey|> Rene_S: I always get complaints when I use it though, too much bass or something I guess  :/
[06:02] <|trey|> Rene_S: hahahah
[06:03] <Rene_S> I do however have a window, its good enough to tell if i am gonna get nuked
[06:03] <fissy> |trey|, good god... how on earth do you compile this beast?
[06:04] <|trey|> fissy: hmm... I just did classic './configure && make && make install'  :/
[06:04] <Rene_S> apt-get install xserver-xorg is how i would compile that
[06:04] <Rene_S> just to complicated for me
[06:04] <fissy> :P
[06:04] <|trey|> cept the make install would need to be done with sudo on ubuntu  :/
[06:04] <Rene_S> Oh dont even go there
[06:04] <GotD0t> |trey|: do ./configure && make && sudo make install
[06:05] <|trey|> fissy: he actually has a point... apt-get -b source  :)
[06:05] <fissy> where did you do ./configure?
[06:05] <|trey|> GotD0t: thats kinda the point of my previous 'cept...' post...
[06:05] <Rene_S> Arent there are build scripts for xorg ?
[06:05] <|trey|> fissy: in the base dir...
[06:05] <GotD0t> |trey|: making sure he understood where sudo went
[06:06] <Hikaru79> Hey, guys, I'm using totem player to stream an mms file in asf format; but for some reason, although the video is coming in great, the audio is all wierd. Could I be missing codecs? The audio works fine in mplayer, why not totem?
[06:06] <|trey|> GotD0t: ahh... good idea  :)  should have directed at him though  :)
[06:06] <GotD0t> |trey|: meant to
[06:06] <fissy> no configure in my base dir, and i'm not that stupid, i can manage sudo make install ;-)
[06:06] <Zugot> i'm going out to buy my dual cpu server!!!!!
[06:06] <Rene_S> Hikaru79, no idea i get the problem but in reverse great audio no video
[06:06] <Zugot> i can't wait...
[06:06] <Hikaru79> =P
[06:07] <Rene_S> I had to resort to using Kaffeine
[06:07] <|trey|> Rene_S: blah @ you
[06:07] <DeadlyNightshade> mmm caffeine
[06:08] <|trey|> Rene_S: you are using the same backend, should have been no difference... but a kde app?
[06:08] <Rene_S> Well I can use gxine now that i now it works as good
[06:08] <Rene_S> Well yeah old habits die hard
[06:08] <Rene_S> I use 3 kde apps Kaffeine, Apollon and K3B
[06:08] <|trey|> gxine is nice... and I have used kaffeine... but only when using KDE and didn't know about kplayer yet...
[06:09] <Rene_S> Although I have found the nautilus burn tool nice easy to do iso with
[06:09] <|trey|> Rene_S: I could never get Apllon to work  :(
[06:09] <Rene_S> I can get 2 outta the 3 plugins to run
[06:10] <|trey|> Apollon*
[06:10] <|trey|> Which ones?
[06:10] <Rene_S> the Gnutella one i gotta 3rd party
[06:10] <Rene_S> OpnFT and Fastrack
[06:10] <Rene_S> the Gnutella one never connects
[06:10] <intinig> hello all
[06:10] <|trey|> libfasttrack-gift is in the repo?
[06:10] <Rene_S> I even managed to get the opennap one working once
[06:10] <Rene_S> you I compiled it
[06:10] <Rene_S> No rather
[06:11] <Rene_S> no gift in repo only has OpenFT and Gnutella i think
[06:11] <mouu> hi
[06:12] <mouu> I'm using wiki release of ubuntu. When i try to load Xfree linux says me: Faild to load GLcore
[06:12] <Rene_S> if you get the apollon all in one file it will compile gift with 3 plugins
[06:12] <mouu> how can I fix it?
[06:12] <Rene_S> Shotgun. that will fix anything
[06:13] <Rene_S> Well are you running a nvidia card or a ATI One ?
[06:13] <mouu> nvidia
[06:13] <Rene_S> open your XFree86-4 file and comment out Glcore and DRI
[06:14] <mouu> ok, i try
[06:14] <guest2> ::
[06:14] <Rene_S> ;;
[06:15] <mouu> Rene_S can't found vl4 driver
[06:15] <mouu> ehm v4l
[06:15] <Rene_S> ok comment that out too
[06:15] <mouu> ok
[06:15] <Rene_S> make sure you got glx though
[06:15] <|trey|> mouu: video 4 linux is for TV card, you have one?
[06:16] <guest2> hi i'm trying o compile something but get the error " configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[06:16] <guest2> i hqve gcc and g++
[06:16] <Treenaks> guest2: why are you trying to compile?
[06:16] <Treenaks> are packages not available?
[06:16] <guest2> yafray, q renderer
[06:16] <Rene_S> I think he may have forgot to install the restricted modules
[06:16] <guest2> s/q/a
[06:17] <guest2> Treenaks no this isn't possible
[06:17] <mouu> |trey| yes i have, but i don't use it
[06:17] <mouu> i comment it but Xfree don't start
[06:18] <guest2> the debian packages are compiled using the wrong gcc version
[06:18] <Rene_S> ok, you installed the nvidia-glx package
[06:18] <mouu> it abort with the signal 11
[06:18] <Rene_S> right ?
[06:18] <mouu> Rene_S I installed it
[06:18] <Rene_S> and the restricted modules ?
[06:18] <goonie> how do I modify my bootloader?
[06:18] <mouu> nvidia-glx and nvdia-kernel
[06:19] <Rene_S> hmm
[06:19] <mouu> haw can I install restricted modules
[06:20] <Rene_S> normally i would tell ya to synaptic them
[06:20] <Rene_S> try this
[06:21] <guest2> is it normal to have problems compiling on a fresh ubuntu install?
[06:21] <Rene_S> make sure in your xfree config file the driver is set to nvidia not nv
[06:21] <guest2> any packages missing
[06:21] <mouu> yes it is set to nvidia
[06:21] <speel> hey i have a problem when i click a package to install with synaptic and a popup comes up showsing what will be chaged etc and when i click ok synaptic closes
[06:21] <Rene_S> and open the modules file in /etc/ and make sure you added nvidia to it
[06:22] <mouu> I do it.
[06:22] <eduncan> can you add a directory where a .deb package is lockated in the synaptic manager?
[06:22] <mouu> Rene_S I haven't opengl
[06:22] <speel> yea i can do all that just not install packages at times
[06:22] <CPUnerd> little problem here.. live cd finds my network card and activate it. Install cd sees my network card, when I activate it, it gets deactivated right away
[06:23] <Rene_S> k have you changed the kernel since you installed ?
[06:23] <CPUnerd> me ?
[06:23] <Rene_S> mouu
[06:23] <CPUnerd> ok sorry
[06:23] <mouu> no i haven't
[06:24] <DeadlyNightshade> be back later, see ya
[06:24] <Rene_S> if you havent then type in console apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-386
[06:24] <farruinn> how do you make it so that as ubuntu is booting grub stops and lets you choose a kernel?  I added Windows to /boot/grub/menu.lst, but don't know how to use that now
[06:24] <speel> i even ran synaptic using the console and it still closed and produced no error
[06:24] <SmokingFire> Do you know if monkeyaudio is supported on linux?
[06:24] <guest2> ahah binutils
[06:24] <guest2> that fixes it
[06:24] <mouu> I have 64bit's processor
[06:24] <Rene_S> oh
[06:25] <Rene_S> now ya tell me
[06:25] <Rene_S> hehe
[06:25] <CPUnerd> heheh :)
[06:25] <farruinn> is there a key or something that you hold down that lets you select something from the menu?
[06:25] <ksr> hi, can anyone give me a guide on how to access the windows folders in linux?
[06:25] <Rene_S> Ok then i dont have a clue how to fix that, I havent dealt with 64 bits yet
[06:26] <farruinn> ksr, there's a wiki page on that...
[06:26] <Rene_S> Anyone here have a 64 bit computer with an nvidia card ?
[06:26] <scizzo> anyone that has answers to how to get DVD running?
[06:26] <ksr> farruinn, can you give me the url ?
[06:26] <Rene_S> other than mouu
[06:26] <ksr> and i cant quite get my xmms to start... :/
[06:26] <SmokingFire> scizzo: whats your problem?
[06:26] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=windows%20dual%20boot
[06:27] <scizzo> SmokingFire: Totem can't play it
[06:27] <Rene_S> Hmm mouu try the ubuntu wiki page they may have something or even the forums
[06:27] <SmokingFire> scizzo: you got the decss lib?
[06:27] <mouu> ok i try :(
[06:27] <scizzo> SmokingFire: missing module or something
[06:27] <farruinn> I remember in fedora (we installed FC3 for a short time on her computer before realizing the superiority of Ubuntu ;-) it gave you three seconds to hit a button then you could select linux or windows
[06:28] <Rene_S> Sorry about that, Next time tell people about the 64 bit processor
[06:28] <scizzo> SmokingFire: yes
[06:28] <farruinn> I tried following the windows dual boot wikipage, but didn't get much out of it :-/
[06:28] <SmokingFire> scizzo: have you tried with totom-xine?
[06:29] <scizzo> SmokingFire: no
[06:29] <scizzo> but that removes ubuntu-desktop
[06:29] <SmokingFire> perhaps that could help.
[06:29] <SmokingFire> scizzo: people say that not a problem.
[06:30] <farruinn> ubuntu-desktop is a meta package, doesn't hurt a thing
[06:30] <Rene_S> Its a badly worded meta package
[06:30] <Rene_S> first time i seen that i went oh no you dont
[06:32] <mouu> Rene_S, can you help me with this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6944&highlight=nvidia ?
[06:33] <Rene_S> blah its nothing just people discussing products
[06:34] <amer> um can anyone give me the url ferroin just pasted about 5 minutes ago ?
[06:34] <CPUnerd> ksr, what's the filesystem type ?
[06:34] <CPUnerd> mount /dev/hda -t ntfs /mnt/windows
[06:35] <ksr> i just did what the guide told me to do
[06:35] <SmokingFire> amer http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions/view?searchterm=windows%20dual%20boot
[06:35] <ksr> but i need the url
[06:35] <ksr> thx SmokingFire
[06:35] <CPUnerd> oh sorry I didn't see..
[06:35] <CPUnerd> SmokingFire: the live cd finds my network card and activate it. Install cd sees my network card, when I activate it, it gets deactivated right away
[06:36] <SmokingFire> sorry, can't I have no clue. Just a veteran noob myself.
[06:36] <ksr> hmm
[06:36] <CPUnerd> yeah I was just wondering :)
[06:36] <ksr> what the guide said didnt work
[06:36] <Rene_S> mouu, your going to need to find people who have 64bit processors that run linux, I just dont have the experience with them yet
[06:36] <SmokingFire> ksr: what are you trying to do?
[06:37] <ksr> dim trying to access my windows files
[06:37] <ksr> im*
[06:37] <SmokingFire> whats the problem?
[06:37] <ksr> i did all that the guide you pasted said and it didnt work
[06:38] <SmokingFire> I didn't read the guide so I can't say.
[06:38] <SmokingFire> But what error are you getting?
[06:38] <ksr> no error
[06:38] <ksr> just that in the guide it says that i should have a folder there with my windows files
[06:38] <SmokingFire> ksr: are you entering it fstab or in the console?
[06:39] <ksr> im not using the console
[06:39] <SmokingFire> yeah. you first create in /mnt a directory
[06:39] <winnipegm> hey
[06:39] <HungSquirrel> jeez this place is packed
[06:39] <SmokingFire> say
[06:39] <SmokingFire> ksr: sudo mkdir /mnt/shares
[06:39] <ksr> SmokingFire,  yea
[06:39] <ksr> um shares???
[06:39] <SmokingFire> the name is up to you.
[06:40] <SmokingFire> you can call it anything.
[06:40] <KING^^^> hello all , i need help , i want to see a movie and I can't , i'm a beginer in linux
[06:40] <ksr> i've created a folder there
[06:40] <winnipegm> when i look at my system monitor is only shows 885MBs of my 1536MBs of ram is there a reason for that?
[06:40] <ksr> its called winxp
[06:40] <ksr> but there's nothing in it
[06:40] <paulproteus> KING^^^: Describe the exact problem you see.
[06:40] <paulproteus> Is there an error message?
[06:40] <KING^^^> yes
[06:40] <ksr> it said that from there i should be able to access my windows files
[06:40] <KING^^^> i can't open .avi
[06:41] <paulproteus> KING^^^: Have you tried opening the file in Totem?
[06:41] <paulproteus> It's under Applications -> Multimedia.
[06:41] <winnipegm> anyone?
[06:41] <KING^^^> yes in totem i have opened it
[06:41] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, fresh install?
[06:41] <winnipegm> yup
[06:41] <SmokingFire> ksr: now you must mount the partition
[06:41] <paulproteus> So does it give you an error message, or what?
[06:41] <winnipegm> just installed it
[06:41] <ksr> SmokingFire, ok how do i do that ?
[06:42] <SmokingFire> first found it the device name of the partition
[06:42] <ksr> yea its called hda1
[06:42] <KING^^^> yes it gives me an error
[06:42] <HungSquirrel> winnipegm: when you boot does your POST mem test show all your RAM?
[06:42] <SmokingFire> what filesystem?
[06:42] <winnipegm> yup
[06:42] <ksr> ntfs
[06:42] <SmokingFire> ok
[06:42] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, upgrade to a kernel for your cpu, ie i686 or k7, default 386 kernel cannot see all the ram
[06:42] <paulproteus> KING^^^: Great.  Tell us that error message.
[06:42] <paulproteus> Otherwise we have no idea what's going on.
[06:42] <scizzo> totem-xine worked
[06:42] <winnipegm> oh
[06:42] <warty> Is there a way to access a partition that fdisk falsly thinks is free space, if you know the starting and ending cylinder? I believe my partition table is sort of corrupted...
[06:42] <winnipegm> how i do that?
[06:42] <paulproteus> Error messages are designed be used in fixing problems, KING^^^.
[06:42] <winnipegm> hehe
[06:43] <paulproteus> warty: Look up gpart.
[06:43] <SmokingFire> ksr: mount -t ntfs  /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp
[06:43] <HungSquirrel> linux_mafia: why can't a 386 kernel see all the RAM?
[06:43] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, theres a thing called google
[06:43] <KING^^^> Totem could not play 'file:///mnt/d/filme/The.Butterfly.Effect.DVDRip.XviD-DMT/The.Butterfly.Effect.DVDRip.XViD-DMT.avi'.
[06:43] <KING^^^> Failed to open; reason unknown
[06:43] <winnipegm> ummm
[06:43] <winnipegm> this is my first time running this
[06:43] <ksr> SmokingFire, it gave me an error
[06:43] <winnipegm> this is why i picked ubuntu cause i was told its easy
[06:43] <winnipegm> lol
[06:43] <gfg> follow the guide at the forums and install mplayer KING^^^
[06:43] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, well start getting used to reading information
[06:44] <winnipegm> haha
[06:44] <ksr> it said that i dont have the rights to see whats in the "winxp" folder
[06:44] <SmokingFire> ooh I forgot its sudo mount -t ntfs  /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp
[06:44] <CPUnerd> ksr. su
[06:44] <paulproteus> KING^^^: It seems you'd be better served by totem-xine.
[06:44] <winnipegm> ok
[06:44] <warty> paulproteus, I just tried it. It says I have more than 4 primary partitions, namely 7. So something has turned logical partitions into primary. gpart offers to write the new partition table to disk, but that only contains the 4 primary partitions, not the one I want to access.
[06:44] <SmokingFire> yes
[06:44] <paulproteus> You'll have to install it as per the instructions on the Wiki.
[06:44] <HungSquirrel> winni, check out the unofficial forum and search for information about kernels
[06:44] <KING^^^> i don't know how to install xine
[06:44] <SmokingFire> ksr: I'm sorry to say I don't remember the next steps off head.
[06:44] <Jelte> hiya... silly question maybe , but which package do i get to get development tools like gcc?   I want to build and install expocity, but the ./configure tells me i dont have gcc?
[06:44] <paulproteus> KING^^^: One second, I'll find you the exact page.
[06:44] <Jelte> should i just get gcc ?
[06:45] <ksr> ok i can access them in the consol
[06:45] <SmokingFire> ksr: however you can do sudo -s and read it as root.
[06:45] <linux_mafia> HungSquirrel, not exactly sure why, i guess because an i386 kernel is a product of its time, 800MB or whatever was probably deemed more than enough
[06:45] <ksr> SmokingFire, should i type that in that folder ?
[06:45] <SmokingFire> ksr: I know you need or change the permissions of the folder or in fstab mount the partition with special rights
[06:45] <SmokingFire> ksr: the command ls
[06:46] <HungSquirrel> Jelte: apt-get install build-essential
[06:46] <gfg> ksr  sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp -o umask=0222
[06:46] <paulproteus> KING^^^: You must enable Universe, and then use Synaptic to install totem-xine.
[06:46] <Jelte> HungSquirrel, ta
[06:46] <SmokingFire> or ls -a to also chow hidden files.
[06:46] <paulproteus> KING^^^: Then your Totem will play that video.
[06:46] <bigmiles> anybody got any tips for someone who is in the process of installing ubuntu/linux for the first time
[06:46] <paulproteus> You can read more about this in the Wiki.
[06:46] <paulproteus> Or in the FAQ pointed-to by the topic in this channel.
[06:46] <SmokingFire> gfg: he doesn't need to umount it first?
[06:46] <gfg> yes offcourse
[06:46] <paulproteus> warty: One other thing you could do is just create that partition with those cylinder boundaries?
[06:47] <gfg> forgot to mention that
[06:47] <ksr> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /mnt/winxp
[06:47] <ksr> thats what it says
[06:47] <SmokingFire> ok so ksr first do sudo umount /dev/hda1
[06:47] <SmokingFire> then sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp -o umask=0222, ksr
[06:47] <ksr> lol it says "command not found"
[06:48] <SmokingFire> it doesn't find umount?
[06:48] <SmokingFire> type umount --v in the console.
[06:48] <linux_mafia> bigmiles, and winnipegm, read this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[06:48] <ksr> nop
[06:48] <ksr> SmokingFire,  still the same
[06:48] <ksr> command not found
[06:48] <CPUnerd> ksr, type /exec -o umount
[06:48] <linux_mafia> it will get you guys going
[06:49] <warty> paulproteus: Ahh, right, and not format. Hmm, its worth a try I guess...
[06:49] <paulproteus> That's the most straightforward way, and I think it would work.
[06:49] <ksr> file or folder does not exist
[06:49] <paulproteus> Alternately you could make a fulll image of your hard drive, cut out the portions that aren't this partition, then mount that loopback.
[06:49] <gfg> ksr, sudo umount /mnt/winxp
[06:49] <Jelte> trying to build expocity i get "No package 'gtk+-2.0' found"   it mentions i might need to add it to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH... is that an unbuntu thing? is it in a non-standard location?
[06:50] <ksr> command not found
[06:50] <borgmeister_> how do i run a perll script?
[06:50] <borgmeister_> perl*
[06:50] <linux_mafia> Jelte, dont bother with it, use skippy instead
[06:50] <Jelte> linux_mafia, instead of expocity you mean?
[06:50] <linux_mafia> Jelte, yes
[06:50] <intinig> where can I find a jedit package?
[06:50] <Jelte> linux_mafia, url?  any specific reason for it being better?
[06:51] <Timerever> hi! just to ask, why ain't XFCE included in Ubuntu? Gnome is said to be way to heavy ( idunno didn't used it since 2.4 and it has already a hungry boy...)
[06:51] <SmokingFire> ksr: type sudo apt-get install mount
[06:51] <linux_mafia> Jelte, expocity is a patch to metacity, potentially destabilising your wm, etc skippy is just an app, that imho works better anyway
[06:51] <ksr> ok now it downloaded something
[06:51] <ksr> should it work now ?
[06:52] <SmokingFire> it should install umount
[06:52] <Jelte> linux_mafia, excellent.. i'll give it a go ;-)
[06:52] <Jelte> thanks
[06:52] <linux_mafia> no worries
[06:52] <ksr> SmokingFire, it still says command not found
[06:52] <SmokingFire> ksr enter cd /bin
[06:53] <mouu> bye bye guys, thanks a lot for the help
[06:53] <linux_mafia> Jelte, if you google theres a deb of it somewhere, its not in ubuntu
[06:53] <SmokingFire> and now sudo umount
[06:53] <Jelte> linux_mafia, googling as we speak ;-)
[06:53] <ksr> SmokingFire,  still the same
[06:54] <ksr> how come it doesnt work ?
[06:54] <SmokingFire> thats is so weird
[06:54] <SmokingFire> ksr: type whereis umount
[06:54] <ksr> unmount:
[06:54] <linux_mafia> nah mate, umount
[06:54] <SmokingFire> not unmount but umount only one N.
[06:54] <ksr> LOOOOOOOOOOOL
[06:54] <ksr> im so stupid
[06:55] <gfg> haha
[06:55] <SmokingFire> thats ok
[06:55] <gfg> does it work now?
[06:55] <SmokingFire> now type sudo umount /dev/hda1 or sudo umount /mnt/winxp
[06:55] <linux_mafia> i think everyone makes the unmount error in the very beginning, its the logical choice
[06:55] <ksr> but now when i try to umount /dev/hda1 it says that the folder is busy
[06:55] <JDahl> I just upgraded to hoary, which was quite easy. I dont have 3d acceleration with my ATI gfx card anymore, thought. The Xorg.log gives alot of errors "drmOpenDevice: open failed", and then "(II) RADEON(0): [drm]  drmOpen failed
[06:55] <JDahl> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri]  DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
[06:55] <JDahl> " Anyone had similar problems?
[06:56] <ksr> device is busy
[06:56] <ksr> on both
[06:56] <KING^^^> how can i activate Universe ?
[06:56] <farruinn> anyone know why when I modify /boot/grub/menu.lst then run update-grub it erases my modifications?
[06:56] <intinig> JDahl, I had similar problems, I screwed up and had to reinstall everything. :(
[06:56] <gfg> linux_mafia, I agree..
[06:56] <SmokingFire> hmm, I got that sometimes too. I'm not sure if I handled it.
[06:56] <farruinn> KING^^^, uncommet it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:57] <SmokingFire> ksr: ok make sure you have no window to that folder and also no other console thats in that paritition/directory
[06:57] <Jelte> linux_mafia, ah works... but is rather slow to grab the windows ;-(    (especially first time cycling through the lot)
[06:58] <ksr> ok now i only have xchat on
[06:58] <linux_mafia> Jelte, yep
[06:58] <ksr> nothing else
[06:58] <ksr> ima try again
[06:58] <ksr> it worked now
[06:58] <SmokingFire> then, I don't know if its going to work. sudo umount -f /dev/hda1 (I think the f parameter is for forcing.
[06:58] <linux_mafia> farruinn, if you read menu.lst "carefully" you will see why
[06:58] <SmokingFire> ok
[06:58] <ksr> i umounted winxp file
[06:59] <Jelte> linux_mafia, think i'll stick to alt-tab instead ;-)
[06:59] <CPUnerd> gees, what's wrong with the live cd?? it stops loading apps after about 15 minutes I booted ..
[06:59] <SmokingFire> now sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp -o umask=0222, ksr
[06:59] <linux_mafia> Jelte, i did
[06:59] <Jelte> hehe
[06:59] <ksr> should i umount /dev/hda1
[06:59] <SmokingFire> ksr: no, they are the same.
[07:00] <ksr> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1,
[07:00] <ksr> or to many mounted file systems
[07:00] <CPUnerd> umount /mnt/winxp
[07:00] <ksr> not mounted
[07:00] <Jelte> linux_mafia, wouldn't it be great if alt-tab did a smooth fade-out of current window to smooth fade-in of new one, and cycle through the list like that? ;-)
[07:00] <ksr> none are mounted
[07:01] <Jelte> now there's a wee little project i might think about (and do nothing more than think about it ;-))
[07:01] <ksr> im sorry im STUPID
[07:01] <ksr> again
[07:01] <ksr> it worked now
[07:01] <ksr> thx for the help SmokingFire and gfg and CPUnerd
[07:01] <gfg> Glad you figured it out
[07:01] <SmokingFire> ksr: this will not be there after you reboot.
[07:01] <ksr> ok do i have to do ?
[07:01] <SmokingFire> if you want it to stay fixed after every boot you edit the file fstab.
[07:02] <linux_mafia> Jelte, i guess so, just eye candy though, i enabled xorg composite, drop shadows and transparency the other day, only for like 10 minutes though, it was nice, but kinda pointless, and just uses more resources
[07:02] <farruinn> linux_mafia, I'm not sure what I'm looking for in menu.lst
[07:02] <ksr> ok i think i did something like that before
[07:02] <farruinn> I'm just trying to add a Windows option to the boot menu
[07:02] <gfg> ksr, sudo gedit /etc/fstab and add /dev/hda /mnt/winxp umask=0222 0      0
[07:02] <SmokingFire> ksr: enter in a console: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
 Jelte, i guess so, just eye candy though, i enabled xorg composite, drop shado
[07:03] <ksr> oops
[07:03] <ksr> sorry
[07:03] <Jelte> linux_mafia, well yeah i dont much fancy pointless eyecandy, but the problem i have with alt-tab is that i have soo many apps open that that little window with icons doesn't tell me enough... i'd like a better visual representation of what window is what
[07:03] <ksr> /dev/hda1	/mnt/winxp	vfat
[07:03] <linux_mafia> farruinn, # Put static boot stanzas before and/or after AUTOMAGIC KERNEL LIST
[07:03] <ksr> defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[07:03] <ksr> thats right no ?
[07:03] <linux_mafia> farruinn, ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
[07:03] <linux_mafia> ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default optons below
[07:03] <Jelte> unbuntu does help with highlighting the borders of the ones i cycle through, but that's not good enouhg ;-)
[07:04] <gfg> you need to change vfat to ntfs i think
[07:04] <SmokingFire> ksr: no, that is for a fat32 partition. You are using ntfs
[07:04] <ksr> ok i changed it to ntfs
[07:04] <eagle101> Does anyone know any good cd-burning software similar to k3b, for gnome?
[07:04] <farruinn> linux_mafia, thanks! =)
[07:04] <SmokingFire> and now you can test if works.
[07:05] <SmokingFire> ksr: save the changes
[07:05] <ksr> i did
[07:05] <gfg> do anyone use opendchub?
[07:05] <linux_mafia> Jelte, i generally have a few virtual desktops, and then i have mail open on one, browser on another, etc
[07:05] <ksr> i have 3 more disks to mount
[07:05] <SmokingFire> ksr: and now agian, umount the parition.
[07:05] <Rene_S> Holy crap, Beagle sure has a lot of reqirements just to get into a state that you can compile it in
[07:05] <ksr> umount /dev/hda1 ???
[07:05] <Jelte> linux_mafia, tried that, but for whatever reason i always end up having 99 apps in one desktop and only 1 in all the others ;-)
[07:05] <eagle101> Does anyone know any good cd-burning software similar to k3b, for gnome?
[07:05] <SmokingFire> ksr: and not mount it again but only with the command mount /dev/hda1
[07:06] <SmokingFire> it should check in the fstab to see how to mount it.
[07:06] <SmokingFire> ksr: yes that command is good.
[07:06] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, it only takes an hour maybe less to get it going, its a pretty cool app/daemon
[07:06] <ksr> and should i mount or not ?
[07:06] <SmokingFire> ksr: have you unmounted it now?
[07:06] <linux_mafia> eagle101, there is nothing
[07:06] <Rene_S> yeah i am working on it now from the wiki page
[07:07] <ksr> SmokingFire, yes
[07:07] <Rene_S> Guess i wont be reinstalling ubuntu anytime soon too much work hehe
[07:07] <SmokingFire> ksr: now type sudo mount /dev/hda1
[07:07] <ksr> [mntent] : line 8 in /etc/fstab is bad
[07:07] <SmokingFire> aah, you see, thats why you need to test if first
[07:08] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, there will be debs soon enough i'll bet, and inotify will be standard in the kernel
[07:08] <ksr> i still got to open the folder though
[07:08] <SmokingFire> copy and paste what you have entered on line 8, ksr
[07:08] <Rene_S> That would be good
[07:08] <ksr> and how do i see line 8 ?
[07:08] <Rene_S> any step that requires me not to make a kernel is nice
[07:08] <gfg> do anyone use opendchub?
[07:08] <SmokingFire> ksr: just copy and paste the line you just entered and saved in fstab.
[07:09] <Jelte> right, i'm off c ya
[07:09] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, basically unless you use a novell distro, its alot of work
[07:09] <ksr> defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:09] <ksr> i think thats the 8th line
[07:10] <Rene_S> Hmm i could have used NLD 9 ?  I have that eheh
[07:10] <linux_mafia> fsck that, ubuntu is far better
[07:10] <Rene_S> not good past 30 days though
[07:10] <Rene_S> NLD not Ubuntu
[07:11] <Rene_S> I am not switching to that just to run one app
[07:11] <ksr> SmokingFire,
[07:11] <SmokingFire> yes
[07:11] <ksr> defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:11] <ksr> i think thats the 8th line
[07:11] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, its fine to use it past 30 days, just without buying it, you are not entitled to updates
[07:11] <SmokingFire> ok, put let me see what you entered for mounting your win parition.
[07:12] <ksr> dev/hda1	/mnt/winxp	ntfs
[07:12] <Rene_S> Oh, i thought it was gonna do a windows on me and shut off
[07:12] <ksr> defaults,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[07:12] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, and i bet they would be obtainable somehow from the web
[07:12] <ksr> /dev/hda1	/mnt/winxp	ntfs
[07:12] <Rene_S> Eventually
[07:12] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, being oss and all
[07:12] <ksr> is the first line
[07:12] <Rene_S> Its a snappy looking desktop
[07:13] <SmokingFire> it should be one line.
[07:13] <gfg> ksr,  remove defaults and auto
[07:13] <Rene_S> not sure how usefull it is for home use
[07:13] <wezzer> hi all
[07:13] <gfg> ksr,  remove defaults and auto
[07:13] <gfg> do anyone use opendchub?
[07:13] <ghita> please tell me how to change gdm resolution
[07:13] <ksr> hmm
[07:13] <ksr> i cant delete
[07:13] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, gnome 2.6 though, no project utopia, just suse hacks, not as good as ubuntu imho
[07:13] <wezzer> when ubuntuinstaller asked me to do a user account, I gave all information it needed
[07:13] <DeadlyNightshade> and it didnt work?
[07:13] <gfg> ksr, did you do sudo gedit?
[07:14] <ksr> yea
[07:14] <wezzer> though, always after I typed password it started from the beginning
[07:14] <wezzer> why is that?
[07:14] <ksr> no wait
[07:14] <SmokingFire> ksr: close it and now do sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:14] <Rene_S> Yeah, I like Ubuntu the way it is.  Hardly any real issues
[07:14] <DeadlyNightshade> wezzer: no idea, I came in here to ask that meself
[07:14] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, you on hoary?
[07:14] <ksr> ok
[07:14] <ksr> i remobed defaults and auto
[07:14] <wezzer> how can I login if there is no user account at all
[07:14] <SmokingFire> sorry, I got to go, be back in a few minutes.
[07:14] <warty_wanabe> is anyone having trouble right after installation?
[07:14] <ghita> please tell me how to change gdm resolution
[07:14] <Rene_S> Yeah, for now until i break something
[07:14] <gfg> try sudo mount /dev/hda1 ksr
[07:15] <ksr> mount: /dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/winxp busy
[07:15] <ksr> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hda1 is already mounted on /mnt/winxp
[07:15] <warty_wanabe> i tried installing a few times, and after reboot, it likes to get stuck at different places
[07:15] <linux_mafia> Rene_S, its been a bit of a pita for me in the past couple of days, but i came from debian sid, so i'm used to waiting a day to get something fixed, etc
[07:15] <warty_wanabe> would anyone happen to know, off the top their heads?
[07:16] <gfg> sudo umount /dev/hda1 ksr
[07:16] <ksr> ok
[07:16] <gfg> then sudo mount /dev/hda1
[07:16] <ksr> and then i should typ sudo mount /devhda1
[07:16] <linux_mafia> warty_wanabe, did you check the md5 sum of the iso? did you verify the media is not faulty etc
[07:16] <ksr> still whining about line 8
[07:16] <ghita> how can i launch this command ' setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none' at system startup?
[07:17] <warty_wanabe> its actually a pressed cd
[07:17] <Rene_S> I dont mind waiting, the devs are usually cool about leaving Hoary useable for the weekend hehe
[07:17] <gfg> try to get all the winxp stuff on one line
[07:17] <linux_mafia> well im fresh outa ideas, heh
[07:17] <wezzer> oh
[07:17] <wezzer> very strange!
[07:17] <wezzer> when root, creating user account with command adduser - it says that I'm not permitted to create new users!
[07:18] <gfg> try sudo
[07:18] <warty_wanabe> haha thanks. first time it got stuck at starting the superinternet, now it wont start postfix
[07:18] <ksr> /dev/hdd2       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[07:18] <ksr> lol when i paste it its in one line
[07:18] <ksr> but when i see it in fstab its 2 lines
[07:18] <ksr> and thats not even my windows
[07:18] <linux_mafia> ksr, this is my ntfs fstab line: /dev/hda1 /mnt/win ntfs ro,user,noauto,dmask=0222,fmask=0333 0 0
[07:19] <ksr> ok look at this gfg
[07:19] <ksr> <file system>    <mount point>     <type>     <options>                      <dump>     <pass>
[07:19] <ksr> should this be there ?
[07:19] <linux_mafia> ksr, ubuntu complains about my one too, but it works so i dont care
[07:19] <gfg> yes...
[07:19] <ksr> ok cuz thats line 8
[07:19] <Schumister> what the hell is the array cd
[07:19] <Schumister> sorry hello all!!
[07:19] <gfg> ksr, that should be at the top
[07:20] <linux_mafia> Schumister, hoary iso
[07:20] <gfg> and it should have an #in front
[07:20] <Schumister> where can i download the array iso
[07:20] <linux_mafia> Schumister, well daily builds anyway, like the sounder ones
[07:20] <tid-wave> hello! i am using debian(sid) for a couple of months, i really like it(the best thing so far), but i would also like to try something new. will i get a real advantage if using ubuntu ? i am using my PC for irc, web browsing, mail, music, movies and some C programming
[07:21] <Schumister> how long does the ubuntu cd take to ship
[07:21] <pisuke> tid-wave, you'll get s-t-a-b-i-l-i-t-y
[07:21] <linux_mafia> Schumister, mine took a few weeks, im in new zealand
[07:21] <Schumister> iam in south africa
[07:22] <tid-wave> pisuke: i never had stability problems with debian sid :)
[07:22] <linux_mafia> Schumister, roll up to mark's house and demand some, heh
[07:22] <gfg> I have never tried sid but Ubuntu is really fast.. it's the fastest I've used
[07:22] <JDahl> pisuke, also - isnt
[07:22] <tid-wave> and btw i want to have the latest packages
[07:22] <JDahl> testing just as stable?
[07:22] <pisuke> neither I in 4 years. but I'am more confident with ubuntu
[07:23] <JackandJohn> question: in gnome, how can I explicitly specify a username and password for browsing a windows share? It seems to think there is anon access so doesn;t prompt me
[07:23] <JackandJohn> gfg - ever used Gentoo?
[07:23] <gfg> yes
[07:23] <Schumister> iam really serious how long if u live in south africa is is a south african distribution by the way
[07:23] <linux_mafia> JackandJohn, blasphemer
[07:23] <JackandJohn> just asking - I obviously like ubuntu :)
[07:24] <gfg> Gentoo isn't that fast, and it use too much cpu when compiling
[07:24] <Schumister> how long does the ubuntu cd take to ship
[07:24] <Schumister> iam in south africa
[07:24] <linux_mafia> Schumister, how long is a piece of string
[07:24] <ksr> hey gfg my server crashed
[07:24] <ksr> its using winxp lol
[07:24] <thenuke> nvidias drivers (fglrx-driver) does not want to install to hoary
[07:25] <DeadlyNightshade> ksr and your surprised?
[07:25] <Schumister> dont ask me shi* just answer the question  dont ask u sh*t do i
[07:25] <thenuke> it depends on xfree86
[07:25] <gfg> why, ksr?
[07:25] <ksr> DeadlyNightshade, no im not
[07:25] <ksr> gfg, cuz its my brother who's using it
[07:25] <ksr> as his computer
[07:25] <gfg> ok
[07:25] <ksr> he still hasnt discovered the beauty of linux
[07:25] <ksr> ok where were we
[07:25] <DeadlyNightshade> ksr my little problem is annoying my appreciation
[07:26] <ksr> last thing i saw you type was yes...
[07:26] <linux_mafia> Schumister, well numbnut, if you read the shipit info youd have more of a clue than you do now, when did you order it, what batch is going to your area etc, ffs
[07:26] <joh_> Hello, how do I downgrade my packages from hoary to warty?
[07:26] <ksr> DeadlyNightshade, ive had about 1000 problems since i installed ubuntu
[07:26] <ksr> its my first time using linux
[07:26] <Rene_S> Oh nice the guy who made the Beagle wiki made a kernel already
[07:26] <Schumister> where do i read all that i ordered mine today
[07:26] <DeadlyNightshade> ksr it decided to delete the user i created at the start
[07:27] <gfg> ksr, the stuff you said was in the 8 line should be at the top of proc and have an # in front
[07:27] <Schumister> link for all that shipmint info? please!
[07:27] <ksr> gfg,  ok done
[07:27] <Schumister> link for all that shipmint info? please!
[07:28] <gfg> try to mount now
[07:28] <Schumister> link for all that shipmint info? please!
[07:28] <linux_mafia> Schumister, if you cant type ubuntu in google, i dont think you'll like linux much, you have to read and do stuff to get the most out of it
[07:28] <ksr> ok its already mounted
[07:28] <gfg> umount it
[07:28] <tid-wave> Schumister: http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org
[07:29] <ksr> ok i umounted it
[07:29] <DeadlyNightshade> tid-wave: I would have pointed at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[07:29] <gfg> mount it again
[07:29] <Schumister> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha clever joke ass-ho*e
[07:29] <Schumister> iam using linux right now mandrake but it sucks
[07:29] <DeadlyNightshade> me? while if you arent willing to use your brain you shouldnt use a computer
[07:29] <DeadlyNightshade> *while=well
[07:30] <linux_mafia> DeadlyNightshade, nah hes talking to me
[07:30] <ksr> ok its done Gmail
[07:30] <ksr> opps
[07:30] <ksr> gfg
[07:30] <tid-wave> Schumister: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[07:30] <DeadlyNightshade> linux_mafia: same again
[07:30] <joh> Hello, how do I downgrade my packages from hoary to warty?
[07:30] <gfg> any erros ksr?
[07:30] <gfg> *errors
[07:30] <ksr> nope
[07:30] <ksr> not a single
[07:30] <intinig> how can I make jedit work in ubuntu?
[07:31] <joh> intinig: you need java
[07:31] <gfg> try if you can do this: ls /mnt/winxp
[07:31] <linux_mafia> joh, im not exactly sure, but ive seen it asked before, basically i think without a reinstall, you'll have a momentous shitfight to do that
[07:31] <gfg> if it shows your xp stuff then ur done
[07:31] <ogra> joh: thats not supported
[07:31] <Schumister> when i go there is ask me for my reg info i wanne see what shipments have been sent out
[07:31] <Earthen> hi guys I'm a big newbi to linux a ububtu I just installed but the i can't mount my floppy drive
[07:31] <intinig> joh, I installed it, then I added the apt sources
[07:31] <ksr> gfg i could
[07:31] <ksr> and i saw the stuff in it
[07:31] <joh> ogra: oh, ok...
[07:31] <intinig> joh, then I apt-get install jedit, but it doesn't work
[07:31] <wezzer> is there any possibility to get win2k and ubuntu and dualboot workin?
[07:31] <gfg> then ur done ksr :)
[07:31] <Earthen> it works fine on live cd
[07:31] <joh> intinig: define "doesn't work"
[07:31] <Schumister> Earthen u are so dumb
[07:31] <ksr> thx!
[07:32] <Schumister> go search google
[07:32] <ksr> so now i just do the same thing for the other disks ?
[07:32] <Quest-Master> Schmister, that's not nice
[07:32] <Quest-Master> :P
[07:32] <Earthen> Schumister yes i am
[07:32] <DeadlyNightshade> wezzer: yes, it should ask to config a bootloader and give you all the details
[07:32] <Schumister> i kidding
[07:32] <Earthen> so can you help me
[07:32] <Earthen> since you know everything
[07:33] <Schumister> dont take that personel we are all here to help u dude!
[07:33] <intinig> joh, I think this can help you understand my problem :) http://paste.plone.org/253
[07:33] <wezzer> DeadlyNightshade: you are correct, it asked me and I said yes. But it didn't work
[07:33] <linux_mafia> Earthen, is your user in the floppy group
[07:33] <DeadlyNightshade> mmm, cant help you sorry
[07:33] <gfg> ksr, just copy the xp line from fstab and add it as a new line.. change the /dev/hda1 to the new hdd's path and change /mnt/winxp to /mnt/"the name you want"
[07:33] <Earthen> I don't know
[07:33] <Earthen> I'm new to this
[07:34] <winnipegm> thanks for the help i fixed it :)
[07:34] <Earthen> I will check
[07:34] <winnipegm> i686 is better
[07:34] <gfg> do anyone use opendchub?
[07:34] <linux_mafia> Earthen, type groups at a cli
[07:34] <winnipegm> now my other prob is im not sure if this system is using my true videocard
[07:34] <winnipegm> it says ati
[07:34] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, sees all the ram now yeah?
[07:34] <winnipegm> yup
[07:34] <winnipegm> :)
[07:35] <winnipegm> im using 90Mbs of 1536 :D
[07:35] <Schumister> earthen go to a terminal type su and you password (root) then type chmod 6669 /dev/fd0
[07:35] <Earthen> yes it say i'm in the floppy group
[07:35] <winnipegm> what was that website u posted
[07:35] <Schumister> type su
[07:35] <Schumister> then your root password
[07:35] <winnipegm> since i rebooted it was gone on my bookmark
[07:35] <Schumister> then type chmod 6669 /dev/fd0
[07:35] <ogra> Earthen: type: sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:35] <Treenaks> 6669 ?
[07:36] <Schumister> then logout then back in and check
[07:36] <linux_mafia> Schumister, root is disabled in ubuntu
[07:36] <Schumister> u can still su
[07:36] <ogra> Earthen: then change the word auto to vfat in the line that starts with /dev/fd0
[07:36] <gfg> but you still need sudo
[07:36] <JDahl> intinig, I got 3d acceleration with ATI working.. All I needed was to add the line Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "yes" to XF86Config-4 and then load the agpgart module (not sure if that is actually necessary)
[07:36] <ogra> Schumister: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:37] <winnipegm> linux_mafia whats a good dvdr player and also a dvdr burning program
[07:37] <linux_mafia> Schumister, su to what? if there is not root user, then how can you su to it?
[07:37] <gfg> anyone know when the new ATI driver with support for xorg is coming?
[07:37] <ksr> gfg one thing i forgot
[07:37] <Schumister> every linux system has a root user
[07:37] <hanz> linux_mafia: you have one if you set a password for root
[07:37] <gfg> what ksr?
[07:37] <gangalino> I'm trying to get a NeoMagic soundcard working on a Dell Latitude CSx 500H laptop with warthog. Any leads?
[07:37] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, totem-xine to play, and i use k3b for burning
[07:37] <ogra> Schumister: read the wiki url
[07:37] <DeadlyNightshade> linux_mafia: its just a case of the sudo command
[07:37] <ksr> when i want to mount another disk did i have to typ sudo mount -l ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/winxp2 ?
[07:38] <winnipegm> totem-xine?
[07:38] <winnipegm> do i need to install that
[07:38] <linux_mafia> hanz, ffs, i know their is one, but its disabled
[07:38] <req> how do you get the nvidia module to load at startup?
[07:38] <thomas_> Hi aLL
[07:38] <gfg> have you added it to fstab ksr?
[07:38] <Earthen> I gett error with the command 6669
[07:38] <ogra> req: did you follow the wiki
[07:38] <winnipegm> i have totem player but it didnt work
[07:38] <joh> intinig: you need the AWT toolkit or something.
[07:38] <req> ogra: nope?
[07:38] <ksr> gfg yes
[07:38] <hanz> linux_mafia: what is a good idea for most users :)
[07:38] <ogra> req: wait a sec
[07:39] <Schumister> hold on about the 6669 iam checking wait
[07:39] <gfg> then type sudo mount -a ksr
[07:39] <ogra> req: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:39] <DeadlyNightshade> bye everyone
[07:39] <ksr> mount -a ntfs /dev/hda2 /mnt/winxp2 ?
[07:39] <req> ogra: ok, thx :)
[07:39] <ogra> Earthen: did you edit fstab ? it will help
[07:39] <gfg> no.. just sudo mount -a
[07:39] <Earthen> no
[07:39] <ksr> hmm
[07:39] <Earthen> I haven't edited anything yet
[07:39] <ogra> Earthen: as i wrote above....
[07:39] <ksr> it cant find hda2
[07:39] <Earthen> took me 2 days to j\get java workin
[07:40] <Schumister> sorry it was chmod 777
[07:40] <ksr> what was the command to see all the hdd's in the consol ?
[07:40] <ogra> Schumister: that wont help....ubuntu uses udev...
[07:40] <hanz> krs: fdisk -l
[07:40] <thomas_> I've just install the ubuntu.. all seems to be good.. I've configured my eth0 .. but network don't seems to work :--( can't ping anything :(
[07:40] <thomas_> any
[07:40] <thomas_> ideas ?
[07:40] <Schumister> udev is there a wiki for this
[07:41] <gfg> ksr sudo fdisk -l
[07:41] <winnipegm> is there a benchmark for this linux?
[07:41] <ogra> Schumister: nope, i dont think so....
[07:41] <winnipegm> i wanna test my videocard
[07:42] <thomas_> help please !
[07:42] <gfg> glxgears winnipegm
[07:42] <JDahl> thomas_, do you have a static IP number or do you use DHCP?
[07:42] <winnipegm> ok
[07:42] <thomas_> static IP JDahl
[07:42] <Earthen> that did it Ogra thank you very much
[07:42] <ogra> :)
[07:43] <thomas_> JDahl, a realtek 8139 chipset
[07:43] <JDahl> thomas, can you ping a hardwired IP number? It could be that you just didnt setup DNS correctly
[07:43] <thomas_> I can't ping my router :( (10.0.0.138)
[07:43] <winnipegm> 1690 frames in 5.0 seconds = 338.000 FPS
[07:43] <winnipegm> ?
[07:44] <winnipegm> good?
[07:44] <Schumister> ogra i was right it works now
[07:44] <HWolf> Can anyone assist me in getting asla working? :-P
[07:44] <ogra> Schumister: ??
[07:44] <winnipegm> 3900 frames in 5.0 seconds = 780.000 FPS
[07:44] <hanz> thomas: can you ping localhost ?
[07:44] <Schumister> Earthen's floppy
[07:44] <thomas_> 127.0.0.1 ?
[07:44] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, totem-gstreamer is installed by default, it wont play restricted formats, hence you need totem-xine, plus a couple of libs from christian marillats repo
[07:44] <winnipegm> does that mean my videocard is working fine
[07:44] <ogra> Schumister: did you read what he wrote ?
[07:44] <Schumister> hanz yes
[07:44] <gfg> yes
[07:44] <Schumister> ping 127.0.0.1
[07:44] <Schumister> yes
[07:44] <thomas_> I've to reboot to try . otherwise what must I do ?
[07:45] <winnipegm> hmmm
[07:45] <winnipegm> ok
[07:45] <JDahl> thomas_, try and paste the output from ifconfig to #paste
[07:45] <Schumister> hanz go download nmap
[07:46] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, it will be working fine, but 3d acceleration will not be enabled, since ati drivers are proprietary, and the ones they do provide for *nix are for a small range of cards, and apparently not that good
[07:46] <thomas_> ok. I try. I'm coming back
[07:46] <thomas_> thanks !
[07:46] <hanz> schumiste: I do have nmap: and my box is runninmg fine
[07:47] <winnipegm> hmmmm
[07:47] <Schumister> nmap rocks guy but run it with sudo nmapfe or nmap
[07:47] <winnipegm> so doom3 and ut2004 wont work well?
[07:47] <winnipegm> i have a 256Mb video card
[07:47] <Zugot> why not...
[07:47] <gen> if you have correct drivers with 3daccel, then yeah winnipegm
[07:47] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, they wont work at all without 3d drivers
[07:47] <JackandJohn> winnipegm > radeon?
[07:48] <thenuke> even screensavers wont work too well in ubuntu with GF2mx400 =)
[07:48] <Zugot> i used to have a radeon 9800xt... and doom 3 worked well
[07:48] <gen> ati is horrible supported
[07:48] <winnipegm> 9550 radeon
[07:48] <Zugot> but radeon cards suck with xorg.. so i sold the radeon on ebay and reverted to my nvidia ti4600
[07:48] <JackandJohn> I got my 9800 working no problem.. one min
[07:48] <winnipegm> k
[07:49] <Schumister> anyone know about roaming profiles on ubuntu
[07:49] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, if you wanna play games, you are better off to play in win, especially with an ati card, do the owners, and former owners of ati's agree?
[07:49] <Zugot> working and working correctly are too different thing
[07:49] <gfg> JackandJohn, with xorg?
[07:49] <winnipegm> tru
[07:49] <winnipegm> i have dual boot
[07:49] <Zugot> linux_mafia, I agree..
[07:49] <winnipegm> i run mce2005 as well
[07:49] <Zugot> i don't dualboot
[07:49] <Zugot> but i may just build a pc to play games, so i can play world of warcraft
[07:50] <winnipegm> hehe
[07:50] <Earthen> will ubuntu do roaming profiles with other version of linux say suse or Fedora core
[07:50] <winnipegm> oh yeah another question
[07:50] <linux_mafia> Zugot, i have to, to run some win only programs for school
[07:50] <winnipegm> linux_mafia
[07:50] <winnipegm> ummm
[07:50] <Schumister> anyone
[07:50] <Schumister> ubuntu guru's help here please roaming profiles
[07:50] <JackandJohn> dunno about xorg - using default gnome
[07:50] <tid-wave> are ATI radeon cards supported under ubuntu ? can i use one only with the warty install cd ?
[07:50] <winnipegm> i have audigy 2 zs and t7700 speakers
[07:50] <winnipegm> 7.1 channel
[07:50] <JackandJohn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto/view?searchterm=radeon
[07:50] <HWolf> Where do I find the boot log, I want to see the error message alsa gives me.
[07:50] <Schumister> ubuntu guru's help here please roaming profiles
[07:50] <tid-wave> JackandJohn: thanks
[07:50] <winnipegm> will it work when i play dvd's
[07:50] <winnipegm> ?
[07:50] <JackandJohn> np :)
[07:50] <winnipegm> dts and dolby digital
[07:50] <Zugot> HWolf, dmesg
[07:50] <winnipegm> ?
[07:51] <gangalino> sudo apt-get install kcontrol --I CAN'T FIND package kcontrol
[07:51] <linux_mafia> HWolf, dmesg|less |grep alsa
[07:51] <Zugot> when i finally build my new server, i'm going to take the old server and turn it into a media server
[07:51] <ogra> gangalino: its in universe
[07:51] <Zugot> so then i'll buy a sound card that can do digital sound output
[07:51] <JackandJohn> gangalino - I'm going to guess you need the universal repository
[07:51] <gangalino> i checked the universe, it still didn't find it. anything I can do to point it more specifically?
[07:52] <gen> did you edit your sources.list gangalino
[07:52] <thenuke> how do I install nvidias drivers to hoary?
[07:52] <ogra> gangalino: did you hit reload ?
[07:52] <JackandJohn> sec
[07:52] <HWolf> Hm, linux_mafia, that does nothing.
[07:52] <thenuke> did not work with aptget like normally does
[07:52] <gangalino> I didn't reload, let me try that
[07:52] <ogra> hehe
[07:52] <Schumister> anyone know about roaming profiles on ubuntu
[07:52] <Zugot> i'm a ubuntu newb... (but not a linux newb) and i found that most questions are answered on the ubuntu wiki page
[07:53] <gen> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx, thenuke
[07:53] <JackandJohn>  ganglino - I found it in mine
[07:53] <Schumister> anyone know about roaming profiles on ubuntu
[07:53] <Treenaks> Schumister: just create homedirectories on an NFS server and (auto)mount those
[07:53] <ks> what are roaming profiles?
[07:53] <ks> isnt that jsut ur home directory?
[07:53] <linux_mafia> HWolf, flag the grepping then and just dmesg|less
[07:54] <Schumister> how
[07:54] <f> :)
[07:54] <Schumister> mkdir bla bla bla
[07:54] <gangalino> I went into the Synaptics mgr./settings/repository/ and checked the other URLs like universal. that doesn't work?
[07:54] <thomas_> JDahl, I ping the 127.0.0.1
[07:54] <HWolf> I keep getting a nice 'could not open resource for writing' :-S
[07:54] <thomas_> I've try : ifconfig eth0 down  -> up .. but ubuntu doesn't responding !
[07:55] <Schumister> how
[07:55] <Schumister> treenaks how do i create dir's on nfs server
[07:55] <linux_mafia> gen, what you told him to do will not help without enabling the restricted repo
[07:55] <JDahl> thomas_, try pinging your own hostname... I think you can always ping localhost as long as loopback is working, doesnt really test anything
[07:55] <ogra> thomas_: the 127.0.0.1 interface is called lo, not eth
[07:55] <gen> linux, didn't know he hadn't
[07:55] <Treenaks> Schumister: google.com
[07:56] <Schumister> any hacking tools for linuk  ethical tools
[07:56] <Treenaks> Schumister: setting up an NFS server is not hard, but it has been described hundreds of times :)
[07:56] <thomas_> the most strang is : at the boot : ubuntu seems to have the TIME from nbt.ubuntu.time.. (or something like that)
[07:56] <Zugot> nfs server is soooo easy
[07:56] <linux_mafia> plenty, c, python
[07:56] <linux_mafia> etc
[07:56] <ogra> thomas_: yep
[07:56] <Schumister> making the home directories is all i want
[07:56] <winnipegm> winnipegm@S010600112f8b7485:~ $  mkdir -p /home/username/.mozilla/plugins
[07:56] <winnipegm> mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/username': Permission denied
[07:56] <thomas_> I've try to change my IP too .. but ubuntu crash .. like when I down>up  eth0
[07:57] <winnipegm> reason for that?
[07:57] <JDahl> thomas_, what does "ifconfig" without any arguments tell you?
[07:57] <hanz> thomas_: what is in /etc/resolv.conf
[07:57] <ogra> winnipegm: what is username ?
[07:57] <winnipegm> hmmm
[07:57] <thomas_> ifconfig give me lo, and eth0 configuration.
[07:57] <ogra> winnipegm: is your user actually callde like this ?
[07:57] <winnipegm> ooppps
[07:57] <thomas_> the configuration give during the installation
[07:57] <winnipegm> my bad
[07:57] <winnipegm> mistake
[07:57] <winnipegm> i had to put my user name in
[07:57] <JDahl> thomas_, but they look fine?
[07:58] <ogra> winnipegm: $USER works too, but not username....
[07:58] <ogra> :)
[07:58] <Schumister> thanx guys bye hope my ubuntu cd ship soon /quit ubuntu is SOuth African u fucks never forget that
[07:58] <thomas_> yes, fine.
[07:59] <ogra> my god
[07:59] <winnipegm> woot i have java now :D
[07:59] <JackandJohn> can anyone tell me how to specify user/pass for browsing a sindows(smaba)share through gnome?
[07:59] <thomas_> it seems that the eth0 doesn't respond. or something like that..
[07:59] <Zugot> how do I fix this....  http://paste.plone.org/255
[08:00] <winnipegm> 2004-12-04 13:59:46 EST: 4354 / 903
[08:00] <winnipegm> Your download speed : 4458684 bps, or 4354 kbps.
[08:00] <winnipegm> A 544.2 KB/sec transfer rate.
[08:00] <winnipegm> Your upload speed : 925212 bps, or 903 kbps.
[08:00] <winnipegm> that worked
[08:00] <winnipegm> :)
[08:00] <hanz> thomas_ : is your card found ?
[08:01] <thomas_> what do you mean exactly 'found' .
[08:01] <hanz> does linux reconise the card
[08:01] <thomas_> how can I check ?
[08:01] <ogra> Zugot: seems you got foreign repositorys in your sources
[08:02] <thomas_> a laptop .. with a network chipset realtek 8139.
[08:02] <thomas_> (I've got the same probleme with freebsd)
[08:02] <Zugot> ogra, i was just following the restricted formats docs..
[08:02] <JDahl> thomas_, did you manually load the network driver? and what does lsmod | grep <driver> tell you?
[08:02] <Zugot> but i fixed it already
[08:02] <hanz> in gnome with the devicemanager
[08:02] <JDahl> thomas_, maybe you're not using the right module? just a thought
[08:02] <ogra> Zugot: hmm, there should be a warning... in the doc.....
[08:03] <thomas_> during the installation UBUNTU ask me IP , gateway ..DNS.. that's all i've conf.
[08:03] <winnipegm> linux_mafia: where do i get that totem-xine i searched on google not much help
[08:03] <ogra> thomas_: does the command: route         gvie you a list of routes ?
[08:03] <Zugot> ubuntu support xinerama sucks royally
[08:03] <Zugot> i mean royally
[08:04] <thomas_> ogra.. i' did not check.  I' reboot to check.. i'm back in 2 mins ! THANKS for your help ! :)
[08:04] <zenwhen> Zugot,
[08:04] <Zugot> zenwhen, yes?
[08:05] <zenwhen> Ubuntu uses standard Xfree. There is nothing about ubuntu that could cause its zinerama support to be non standard.
[08:05] <zenwhen> xinerama*
[08:05] <Zugot> zenwhen, uh... yes there is
[08:05] <JackandJohn> question: do I have to add applications to the gnome menu manually? or do any actually get in there by themselves?
[08:05] <Zugot> your app still needs to support xinerama
[08:05] <zenwhen> Well then sir, why was it easy for me?
[08:05] <Zugot> and it appears that gnome doesn't support it that well
[08:05] <zenwhen> Oh
[08:05] <Zugot> i have dual screens up right now
[08:05] <Zugot> that works
[08:06] <Zugot> but i don't appreciate having dialogs open in the middle of the screen, which means it crosses two monitors
[08:06] <zenwhen> Oh
[08:06] <pisuke> Zugot, the best window manager for xinerama support is enlightenment
[08:06] <Zugot> and when i maximize an app, i want it to maximize to one monitor, not to both
[08:07] <zenwhen> Oh
[08:07] <Zugot> gnome and metacity can do this, i had a gentoo install up for months on this server, that had everything working
[08:07] <zenwhen> Want my x config? You may get something you need from it.
[08:07] <zenwhen> Mine works just as you say you want it to.
[08:07] <Zugot> zenwhen....  sure i'll have a look, send it to gentooguru@gmail.com
[08:08] <Zugot> i have lots of weirdo problems with gnome as well, focus follows mouse doesn't seem to work at all
[08:08] <Zugot> actually... i'm going to delete my .gnome* directories and start over again
[08:08] <Zugot> brb
[08:08] <Zugot> (gotta log out first)
[08:08] <zenwhen> You have mail.
[08:09] <winnipegm> how can i view my 200gig ntfs drive ?????
[08:09] <Tomcat_> winnipegm: Mount it :o
[08:10] <winnipegm> hahahah
[08:10] <Tomcat_> winnipegm: mount -t ntfs /dev/<drive> /mnt/<dir>
[08:10] <winnipegm> :D
[08:10] <winnipegm> ok
[08:10] <winnipegm> lemme try
[08:11] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, totem-xine? just apt-get it
[08:11] <winnipegm> ok
[08:11] <winnipegm> winnipegm@S010600112f8b7485:/mnt/sda1 $ mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[08:11] <winnipegm> mount: only root can do that
[08:12] <winnipegm> hmmm
[08:12] <ogra> winnipegm: put sudo in front
[08:12] <winnipegm> hehe
[08:13] <paulproteus> JackandJohn: smb://user:pass@host/share
[08:13] <winnipegm> root@S010600112f8b7485:/home/winnipegm # /mnt/sda1 $ mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/movies
[08:13] <winnipegm> bash: /mnt/sda1: is a directory
[08:13] <winnipegm> so i did it
[08:13] <winnipegm> thats all?
[08:14] <ogra> winnipegm: can you access it  ?
[08:14] <winnipegm> i see the folder but its empty
[08:15] <winnipegm> i go into /mnt folder
[08:15] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, get rid of the shit before mount
[08:15] <winnipegm> i see sda1
[08:15] <ogra> winnipegm: /mnt/movies ?
[08:15] <winnipegm> get rid of what
[08:15] <winnipegm> i dunno
[08:15] <linux_mafia> /mnt/sda1 $
[08:15] <winnipegm> ok
[08:16] <_|Imanewbie|_> Does anyone has installed Java?
[08:16] <ogra> winnipegm: the command mounts the drive on /mnt/movies
[08:16] <ogra> _|Imanewbie|_: yep
[08:16] <winnipegm> ok
[08:16] <linux_mafia> _|Imanewbie|_, yes
[08:16] <gangalino> Thanks for the k3b help?
[08:16] <gangalino> !
[08:16] <winnipegm> still nothing in there
[08:17] <linux_mafia> hang on, sda1 ? is it a scsi or usb drive?
[08:17] <winnipegm> its sata
[08:19] <linux_mafia> winnipegm, and no errors or nothing when you do that
[08:19] <winnipegm> i had no errors
[08:19] <winnipegm> i just dont see anything
[08:19] <Zendrew> I need some help configuring a logitech scroll-wheel mouse with my Sawtotth G4. The mouse cursor is stuck in the corner. XF86Config-4 seems fine, I've goggled this to death and searched the Wiki.  Anyone have a hint?
[08:20] <ogra> winnipegm: to look if its monted or not, type: mount
[08:20] <Zendrew> goggled=googled
[08:20] <winnipegm> /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[08:20] <winnipegm> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[08:20] <winnipegm> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[08:20] <winnipegm> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[08:20] <winnipegm> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[08:20] <winnipegm> usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[08:20] <winnipegm> root@S010600112f8b7485:/mnt/sda1 #
[08:20] <JackandJohn> paulproteus; Thanks - it's not working, but I think it's a permission problem
[08:20] <potato_head> Hmmm, ubuntu keeps forgetting the DNS servers that I enter 'netwok settings'. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[08:21] <ogra> winnipegm: first run: sudo mkdir /mnt/movies
[08:21] <pisuke> potato_head, maybe editing /etc/resolv.conf by hand ;-)
[08:21] <winnipegm> ok
[08:21] <winnipegm> done
[08:22] <ogra> winnipegm: mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=000 /dev/sda1 /mnt/movies
[08:22] <potato_head> pisuke: thanks. I can never remember the names of the appropriate conf files :)
[08:22] <linux_mafia> potato_head, you use dhcp?
[08:22] <thomas_> ;-(( the route seems to be goog, device manager recognize a realtek 8139 ;(
[08:22] <thomas_> -g +d
[08:22] <winnipegm> woot
[08:22] <winnipegm> that worked
[08:22] <winnipegm> :D
[08:22] <potato_head> linux_mafia: no, because my router sets the DNS as itself, and that doesn't seem to be working...
[08:22] <winnipegm> thanks dude
[08:22] <winnipegm> :d
[08:22] <winnipegm> :D
[08:23] <ogra> :)
[08:23] <Zugot> i think imma try arch linux today as well
[08:23] <winnipegm> winnipegm@S010600112f8b7485:~ $ apt-get totem-xine
[08:23] <winnipegm> E: Invalid operation totem-xine
[08:23] <Zugot> apt-get install totem-xine
[08:23] <thomas_> my solution : crash my shit laptop :-(
[08:23] <winnipegm> k
[08:24] <potato_head> pisuke: I guess if I take away write permission on resolv.conf it'll stick?
[08:24] <NewComer> Zugot: if u gonna try archlinux then give it some time, it's clean and simple
[08:24] <ogra> thomas_: you see the ip ? in ifconfig ?
[08:24] <Zugot> ah
[08:24] <Zugot> or i may just go back to gentoo
[08:24] <thomas_> ogra, yes.
[08:24] <winnipegm> root@S010600112f8b7485:/mnt/sda1 # apt-get install totem-xine
[08:24] <winnipegm> Reading Package Lists... Done
[08:24] <winnipegm> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[08:24] <winnipegm> Package totem-xine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:24] <winnipegm> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:24] <winnipegm> is only available from another source
[08:24] <ogra> thomas_: adn you couldnt ping the ip ?
[08:24] <winnipegm> E: Package totem-xine has no installation candidate
[08:25] <pisuke> potato_head, you should configure dhcp-client to not update /etc/resolv.conf but can't remember how its done
[08:25] <ogra> winnipegm: dont post this much in here..... you must enable universe
[08:25] <thomas_> ogra.. I don't try .. I try immediatly ! :) back in 2 mins :)
[08:25] <winnipegm> ok
[08:25] <winnipegm> sorruies
[08:25] <winnipegm> how i enable dat?
[08:25] <ogra>  winnipegm: look here: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:25] <Zugot> winnipegm, view the restrictedformat wiki and make the changes to your sources.list
[08:25] <winnipegm> ok
[08:26] <stuNNed_> ok i have working X but can't get agp to initialize
[08:26] <stuNNed_> possibly due to unstable xorg?
[08:27] <pisuke> potato_head, have a look here /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[08:27] <pisuke> potato_head, man dhclient.conf
[08:28] <ogra> HWolf: whats wrong ?
[08:29] <HWolf> ogra, no sound. Can't open resource for writing errors, and no clue how to fix it.
[08:29] <potato_head> pisuke: will do :)
[08:29] <ogra> HWolf: show the youtput of: lsmod|grep snd   in #flood
[08:30] <potato_head> Hmmm, I think taking a bit of time to set up my router might be handy as well :) What's a reasonable dhcp lease time?
[08:31] <JackandJohn> internal? 30 days
[08:31] <ogra> HWolf: a tv card ?
[08:31] <linux_mafia> man, awake for 2 days is soul destroying
[08:31] <Zendrew> Is there a config file I should be looking at re" my lgoitech mouse other than XF86Config? IThe nouse is stuck in the corner. THe only info I find mentions gpm (not running, AFAIK) and the XF86COnfig file. Anyone?
[08:32] <JackandJohn> do you have any other input devices?
[08:32] <JackandJohn> tablet, for example
[08:32] <Zendrew> ah--I do have a bunch of stuff on a USB hub that I clean forgot about. Could these be fouling me up?
[08:32] <HWolf> orga, yeah, pinnacle pctv rage
[08:32] <HWolf> rave
[08:32] <Zendrew> Yep--tablet
[08:33] <JackandJohn> Check the stylus
[08:33] <ogra> HWolf: do you get sound from it ?
[08:33] <JackandJohn> I've done it where the stylus gets pushed just close enough.. drives me nuts
[08:34] <thomas_> ogra, i'm back :)
[08:34] <Zendrew> JackandJohn: A little embarrassed and very relieved--that was it!
[08:34] <thomas_> I can ping 10.0.0.102 (my own eth0)
[08:34] <Zendrew> Man, I thought I was going nuts. . .
[08:34] <JackandJohn> Zendrew - Good thing we fond it now instead of 4 hours from now ;)
[08:35] <stuNNed_> can i run xfree86 in hoary?
[08:35] <ogra> thomas_: thats great, so the driver seems to work fine....
[08:35] <Zendrew> JackandJohn: Thanks again. Now I can move on to something else instead of obsessing about this. Take care. Thanks a million. . .
[08:35] <JackandJohn> np
[08:36] <thomas_> ogra,  :) so what can't I change my IP ?
[08:36] <JackandJohn> ok, what do I have to do to get totem working with mp3??
[08:38] <linux_mafia> JackandJohn, read the channel topic bro
[08:38] <ogra> thomas_: the ip stack looks ok too, if the ping is replied....
[08:39] <JackandJohn> Yeah, I know that.. and everything looks to be in, but just totem wont work... I boot from the livecd, I can stream files through an ftp server - I have everything done that I read up on, and totem refuses
[08:39] <JackandJohn> sorry, that totally sounds more assholio than I meant it :)
[08:40] <Z0l> hello
[08:40] <Z0l> could somebody plz tell me what provides the db_get function?
[08:41] <ogra> thomas_: did you try to ping your router already ?
[08:41] <linux_mafia> JackandJohn, the only thing you need is gstreamer-mad
[08:42] <thomas_> ogra, yes, .. but ping unreachable
[08:42] <JackandJohn> hrm.. then maybe I'm having a different issue.. is there a log for totem?
[08:42] <ogra> thomas_: what did the route command exactly show ?
[08:47] <stevecarter> Hi. I am having trouble seeting up ndiswrapper - I am a complete noobie to ubuntu - the recent HowTo states that I should install the ndiswrapper-utils package but I have no idea where I can get that from - it does not appear in the list of installed packages. Can anyone help please?
[08:48] <elmaya> install it for the .tar.gz
[08:48] <elmaya> its easy
[08:49] <stevecarter> elmaya: are you responding to me?
[08:49] <elmaya> yup
[08:50] <stevecarter> OK - so what does "install it for the .tar.gz" mean?
[08:50] <wezzer> why on earth does win2k installer format the whole hard drive when I order it to format only 30 GB partition?
[08:50] <wezzer> yes. I know, microshit made it to do so
[08:51] <ogra> stevecarter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[08:51] <elmaya> it means get the ndiswrapper package from sourceforge..do a google search for it.. uncompress it and compile it
[08:52] <potato_head_> to compile ndiswrapper from source, you may need to install the appropriate linux-headers...
[08:53] <elmaya> true
[08:53] <stevecarter> elmaya:I have got that package from sourceforge and have uncompressed it, but have no idea how to compile it.
[08:54] <potato_head_> stevercarter: go to the directory where you downloaded it to
[08:54] <elmaya> read the readme..
[08:54] <stevecarter> ogra:Yes - I found that but it says I have to install the ndiswrapper-utils package, and that is what I am stuck with.
[08:54] <FunnyLookinHat> Question: If I have used ndis and correctly installed the right driver for my wireless NIC, what else do I have to do to get my Ubuntu desktop to recognize it and be able to monitor it's signal?
[08:54] <ogra> stevecarter: why ?
[08:54] <ogra> stevecarter: whats the prob ?
[08:54] <potato_head_> FunnyLookinHat: have you got a wlan0?
[08:55] <FunnyLookinHat> potato_head_: if that's a config file, I don't think so... if so, it's not configured
[08:55] <stevecarter> ogra: becaue I am a complete novice with this.
[08:55] <elmaya> i've found that that the applet for wireless is useless
[08:56] <stevecarter> elmaya:the README points to a website and gives a load of instructions that mean absolutely nothing to me.
[08:56] <potato_head_> FunnyLookingHat: goto 'computer >> system con >> networking', and click add
[08:56] <elmaya> stevecarter, do a make and then make install
[08:56] <allanon_> i feel a bit stupid asking this, but... just installed ubuntu on my girlfriends laptop, and everything works fine, including wireless. but how do I change language of the gnome desktop? right now it is English, but my gf wants hers in dutch, and I mine in Norwegian. Cant seem to find the right control panel
[08:56] <ogra> stevecarter: use synaptic to install and remove packages:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[08:56] <ogra> elmaya: there is a precompiled, supported package.....
[08:56] <elmaya> oh
[08:57] <IBMAptiva> Potato_head: You remember me? It didnt work. Now the install freezes before it starts
[08:57] <elmaya> but compiling is easy
[08:57] <FunnyLookinHat> potato_head_: No wireless devices are available in the pull-down menu...
[08:57] <potato_head_> IBMAptiva: yeah, I remember. Sorry :(
[08:57] <FunnyLookinHat> but NDIS says that the driver is installed and the hardware is present.
[08:57] <stevecarter> ogra:Yes - I know about Synaptic but there is no mention of ndiswrapper-utils in the list of available packages.
[08:57] <ogra> elmaya: but not a task to do on ubuntu
[08:57] <ogra> stevecarter: its on the cd
[08:57] <elmaya> why?
[08:57] <IBMAptiva> Potato_head_: Thanx anyways. Any other suggestions?
[08:58] <stevecarter> ogra:On the CD? OK I'll have a look for it.
[08:58] <potato_head_> FunnyLookinHat: Did you do 'modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[08:58] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm...  nope
[08:59] <ogra> elmaya: because the basic thngs are very fine worked out and tested...nocody can support if you break the standards
[08:59] <elmaya> hehehe
[08:59] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat: you used the ubuntu ndiswrapper package  ?
[08:59] <elmaya> breaking thins is fun
[08:59] <elmaya> things
[08:59] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: yes, got it through synaptic
[09:00] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat: and followed the howto ?
[09:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok. I ran sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and it gave no errors...
[09:00] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: There is a how-to?
[09:00] <stevecarter> ogra:Any idea where on the CD - off the top of your head?
[09:01] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[09:01] <ogra> stevecarter: enable the cd source in synaptic and hit reload, then you are able to install it with synaptic
[09:02] <JackandJohn> "smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts" < How do I resolve this mostly greek error? even a readme link would work :)
[09:03] <ogra> JackandJohn: why dont you use nautilus ? is it important to ount systemwide ?
[09:03] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: Thanks man
[09:03] <ogra> :)
[09:03] <FunnyLookinHat> I'll let you know if it works out
[09:03] <FunnyLookinHat> ooh, new kernel!
[09:03] <Tomcat_> JackandJohn: If you want users to mount SMB shares, you need to make the smb mount command "setuid root"... that means that *any* user that can run the command will run it as root.
[09:03] <JackandJohn> ogra; I'm in gnome and just on my home comp
[09:04] <Tomcat_> JackandJohn: I had this same problem yesterday... I don't want users to run smbmnt as root, so I stayed with "only root can mount smb shares" :I
[09:04] <JackandJohn> Tomcat_ - Would that resolve the issue? (even though it opens security holes)
[09:04] <ogra> JackandJohn: nautilus has a connect to server dialog in the file menu
[09:04] <IBMAptiva> I have booting trouble... anyone know how to solve it.
[09:04] <Tomcat_> JackandJohn: Yes, should solve it.
[09:05] <JackandJohn> Tomcat_; Thank you, I'll try it
[09:05] <Tomcat_> JackandJohn: Just be very careful who has access to smbmount...
[09:05] <allanon_> How can I change my (English) ubuntu desktop to Norwegian?
[09:05] <JackandJohn> ogra; Thanks for the tip; if I can't get it worked out the other way, I'll try and run nautilus (though I don't know what kind of gnome support it has)
[09:05] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: what the heck?  all of a sudden like 2 minutes after I ran sudo modprobe ndiswrapper the wireless connection was found and seems to work.  Thanks  ;)
[09:05] <JackandJohn> Tomcat_; Of course :) Thankfully this is my computer only
[09:06] <IBMAptiva> allanon_: You really dont want it in norwegian. The norwegian is horrible, and most of it is even danish...
[09:06] <ogra> JackandJohn: nautilus is the gnome filemanager ;)
[09:06] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat:  :)
[09:06] <JackandJohn> Tomcat_; what command would I use? setuid root smbmnt?
[09:06] <JackandJohn> ogra; lol
[09:06] <ogra> :)
[09:06] <Tomcat_> Mh... anybody can answer this?
[09:07] <allanon_> IBMAptiva, well at least my gf wants her login to have a dutch default. you know how to do it?
[09:07] <allanon_> in KDE it is just to select language in the Kontrol Centre, but in Gnome I am confused.
[09:07] <wezzer> allanon_: do you use gdm?
[09:07] <ogra> allanon_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:07] <allanon_> I assume so, everything is default. just installed.
[09:07] <allanon_> ogra, thanks.
[09:07] <wezzer> in gdm you can change the language
[09:07] <ogra> allanon_: then you can select them in gdm
[09:08] <allanon_> aha.
[09:08] <wezzer> it's in the lower left corner
[09:08] <|icu|> Does the default totem setup work for anyone. It's both completely broken in both warty and hoary for me.
[09:08] <allanon_> get it. thanks.
[09:08] <ogra> allanon_: make sure to pick all langs you want in the dpkg script
[09:09] <caro> hello
[09:10] <caro> i've just installed the ubuntu distro
[09:10] <thenuke> Hlo
[09:10] <ogra> caro: good move :)
[09:10] <caro> and i'm facing a small problem
[09:10] <caro> ogra, :)
[09:10] <caro> if i want to install a package, i use synaptic, from the menu
[09:10] <allanon_> hm, hm, it is like four different language packs only for nl_nl.
[09:11] <caro> it asks me the root password and i use my own password
[09:11] <caro> it works
[09:11] <caro> but
[09:11] <caro> if I do a 'su'
[09:11] <allanon_> caro: Yeah, that was my problem too. I select packages, but there is no "Go" or "Apply" to click
[09:11] <caro> with my password
[09:11] <caro> it does not work
[09:11] <jiyuu0> su need root password
[09:11] <allanon_> there is no root user, apparantly
[09:11] <ogra> caro: try sudo
[09:11] <ogra> caro: not su
[09:11] <caro> oh
[09:11] <ogra> caro: or the root shell from the menu
[09:11] <JackandJohn> there is a root user
[09:12] <JackandJohn> just do sudo passwd root
[09:12] <|icu|> allanon "sudo passwd -u root"
[09:12] <JackandJohn> and change the password
[09:12] <JackandJohn> :)
[09:12] <wasabi> Why would you want a root user?
[09:12] <ogra> JackandJohn: but you dont gain anything with a root pw
[09:12] <allanon_> I understand apt better than synaptic :}
[09:12] <borgmeister> where can i get libcurses and libncurses?
[09:12] <caro> ok, thanks
[09:12] <JackandJohn> ogra; you gain a know root password
[09:12] <JackandJohn> known, that is
[09:12] <winnipegm> anyone have a problem getting sound
[09:12] <ogra> JackandJohn: what for ? all tools use sudo
[09:13] <JackandJohn> all the ubuntu tools do, yes
[09:13] <JackandJohn> ogra; if you go outside of that, some need a root password
[09:13] <ogra> JackandJohn: nope
[09:13] <jiyuu0> i think the most common questioned ask in ubuntu is "what is the root password?"
[09:13] <wasabi> ogra, nope. Use sudo.
[09:13] <JackandJohn> if you know what you are doing, it doesn;t matter, but I personally dont ;)
[09:13] <wasabi> Oops.
[09:13] <wasabi> JackandJohn, nope, use sudo.
[09:14] <Earthen> can someone help with gdm it will not start for me
[09:14] <ogra> wasabi :)
[09:14] <thenuke> ogra: sudo su if you really want to be a root
[09:14] <wasabi> sudo -s for a shell.
[09:14] <JackandJohn> sudo su < that's awesome
[09:14] <wasabi> sudo -s is a bit smarter. ;)
[09:15] <thenuke> why is that -s better
[09:15] <JackandJohn> just the syntax and what it implies is beauty
[09:15] <ogra> JackandJohn: did you read this the wiki page, sudo is way better: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:15] <winnipegm> i have audigy zs 2
[09:15] <zooko> Greetings, People of Ubuntu!
[09:15] <winnipegm> and i see my xmms playing music
[09:15] <winnipegm> but no sound
[09:15] <JackandJohn> ogra; I don't disagree - it most definately is
[09:15] <farruinn> ogra, that page should be "reuquired reading" for a discussion like this
[09:15] <ogra> :)
[09:15] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: When I click to activate the connection the box will get checked for about 3 seconds then get unchecked again under "Active" column.
[09:16] <ogra> farruinn: thats why i always drop it in at some point *g*
[09:16] <Earthen> I have and old computer with a S3 64 3d run fine with live cd but not after installing
[09:16] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat: did you edit the file as desribed ?
[09:16] <farruinn> I had just copied the url when you posted it =)
[09:16] <ogra> +c
[09:16] <FunnyLookinHat> yeah...  weird, huh?
[09:17] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat: and step 7 in the howto ?
[09:17] <winnipegm> sound is broken any have troubles with creativeE????????
[09:17] <eyal> hello friends !
[09:17] <farruinn> Gnome question: is there a setting in Nautilus or something so that when I insert a CD a new Nautiuls window doesn't open automatically?  I love the fact that the disc is automounted, but windows popping up without my bidding is annoying
[09:17] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: hold on, i'll double check my work
[09:18] <bancus> I'm trying to use ndiswrapper with my 802.11 card, but it looks like ubuntu is trying to load prism54 before I get a chance to load ndiswrapper. Is there any way I can say "hey, don't use prism54 at all"?
[09:18] <ogra> farruinn: Computer->Desktop Settings->Removable...
[09:18] <farruinn> thanks
[09:18] <stephecarter> ogra: I seem to have got disconnected. Did you get my last message?
[09:18] <daniels> bancus: why do you want ndiswrapper on a prism54 card?
[09:18] <winnipegm> i have two sound cards will that cause a conflic of sound???????????????
[09:18] <bancus> daniels: it's a newer prism, which isn't yet supported by prism54
[09:18] <winnipegm> one 5.1 soundblaster live
[09:18] <winnipegm> and
[09:18] <bancus> the equiv to a winmodem
[09:19] <eyal> why i dont have administrator permissions i couldn't delete a folder
[09:19] <winnipegm> audigy zs2
[09:19] <bancus> prism still thinks that it can do it, but it fails miserably
[09:19] <potato_head> eyal: sudo it.
[09:19] <farruinn> winnipegm, a good way to check is to reboot with only one of them in
[09:19] <eyal> how do u delte folder ?
[09:19] <eyal> sude ???
[09:19] <winnipegm> ok
[09:19] <eyal> sudo
[09:19] <potato_head> eyal: what are you trying to delete/
[09:19] <eyal> a folder i created by mistake
[09:19] <ogra> daniels: because nowadays the answer on wlan probs seems to be ndiswrapper....last week i saw someone trying it with a orinoco silver....
[09:20] <ogra> daniels: weird eh ?
[09:20] <ogra> stephecarter: nope
[09:20] <JackandJohn> is there a GUI way of editing the gnome menu?
[09:20] <bancus> ogra: I'm telling you, the SMC2802 V2 does *not* work with ndiswrapper
[09:20] <eyal> why everything need to be done thregh SUDO ?
[09:20] <bancus> It has a Prism Frisbee or Javelin or some such
[09:20] <Tomcat_> JackandJohn: applicatioms:/// in nautilus
[09:21] <bancus> It requires more of the work to be done in the driver.
[09:21] <ogra> bancus: and not supported by the  prism driver ?
[09:21] <stephecarter> ogra: OK - I did what you suggested - set synaptic to use the CD - reloaded synaptic, but there is still no sign of anythin vaguely like ndis in the list of available packages. What have I done wrong?
[09:21] <bancus> ogra: not yet
[09:21] <JackandJohn> Tomcat_; you rock gnome :)
[09:21] <bancus> ogra: They say that conectiva said they were going to help them out, but nothing has come of it yet.
[09:21] <potato_head> stephecarter: do $less /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:21] <ogra> stephecarter: used the search finction ? i know its on the cd
[09:22] <Tomcat_> JackandJohn: Not really... you only seem to run into problems I already had. :)
[09:22] <zooko> my wife just got e2fs errs on boot on old debian and had to remember her root passwd
[09:22] <JackandJohn> maybe you should just make a faq, then I will already have all my problems answered when I ask them ;)
[09:23] <zooko> i juhst gotprism54 wworking on warty
[09:23] <stephecarter> ogra: i have used the search function, and setting ndis as the search term it finds absolutely zilch :-(
[09:23] <eyal> sorry closed by mistake
[09:23] <ogra> JackandJohn: in nautils type ctrl-L and enter applications:// in the popup
[09:23] <CaseysZ28_> does anyone have ut2004 running?
[09:23] <bancus> so is there to way to tell prism54 to go away?
[09:23] <eyal> What can a newbie like me in linux can do to learn how to get along with it ?
[09:23] <CaseysZ28_> i am getting some errors and can't figure them out
[09:24] <ogra> bancus: /etc/hotplug/blacklist ?
[09:24] <bancus> do I have to compile my own kernel and disable it there or something?
[09:24] <bancus> ogra: Hm.
[09:24] <wasabi> eyal, kind of hard to answer that without knowing what you want to do.
[09:24] <eyal> wasabi can i talk with u private ?
[09:24] <bancus> ogra: is it in the kernel, or is it a module?
[09:24] <thoreauputic> eyal: start by reading the FAQ and wiki on the ubuntu site
[09:24] <wasabi> eyal, hwy?
[09:24] <wasabi> why
[09:25] <ogra> bancus: no network card drivers in the kernel
[09:25] <bancus> ogra: good idea
[09:25] <bancus> thanks
[09:25] <bancus> I'll give it a shot
[09:25] <eyal> cause i dont want to disturb other ppl here with questions
[09:25] <zooko> why make prism54 go away?
[09:25] <ogra> stephecarter: look anually in the pool dir it is there anywhere
[09:25] <eyal> anyway
[09:25] <thoreauputic> eyal: the idea is everyone learns from the answers
[09:25] <wasabi> eyal, what's what the people here are for.
[09:25] <eyal> ok :)
[09:25] <ogra> manually
[09:26] <eyal> look i dont under stand what is sudo and why every operation i need to do using it
[09:26] <stephecarter> ogra: Yes - I thought you did not expect me to wait a year :-)
[09:26] <wasabi> eyal, sudo runs the command with root privledges.
[09:26] <JackandJohn> Doh - I try to add a launcher to applications, and it just vanishes like it's successful, but nothing is added
[09:27] <wasabi> eyal, if you don't need root privs, don't use sudo.
[09:27] <ogra> JackandJohn: try ctrl-R
[09:27] <JackandJohn> Did do
[09:27] <JackandJohn> :(
[09:27] <eyal> so every folder i want to erase or every extracting of .h and .c and everything need to be done threw Terminal window ??
[09:27] <wasabi> eyal, eh?
[09:27] <JackandJohn> it would error if I didn;t have permission, right?
[09:27] <ogra> JackandJohn: this only works if you never ran nautilus with root rights afaik....
[09:27] <thoreauputic> eyal: if you need it constantly, you are messing with your system unnecessarily
[09:27] <wasabi> eyal, i dont understand the question.
[09:28] <JackandJohn> ogra; odd.. but as far as I know I havn't
[09:28] <eyal> ok i tried for example to be able of playing mp3s
[09:28] <ogra> JackandJohn: it also doesnt appear in the menu ?
[09:28] <wasabi> eyal, okay, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:28] <eyal> i was there
[09:28] <stephecarter> ogra:Looking in CD/pool/main/n it's not there. Am I looking in the right place?
[09:28] <wasabi> So, you need to install a few peices of software on the system. Installing that requires root.
[09:28] <JackandJohn> ogra; nope
[09:28] <wasabi> eyal, using it doesn't.
[09:28] <borgmeister> anybody managed to install kismet from source?
[09:29] <CaseysZ28_> anybody play unreal tournament 2004?
[09:29] <eyal> and eventually i got list of instrudtions just to install one Mdplayer
[09:29] <wasabi> mplayer.
[09:29] <wasabi> For mpegs.
[09:29] <eyal> yeah :)
[09:29] <wasabi> Not mp3's.
[09:29] <borgmeister> i havent got libncurses or libcurses
[09:29] <JackandJohn> ogra; nope
[09:29] <borgmeister> and i havent a clue how to get them
[09:29] <eyal> ok and what do i do after i dl the software ?
[09:30] <wasabi> eyal, you aren't really supose to "dl" anything.
[09:30] <eyal> ok
[09:30] <wasabi> eyal, you simply need to install gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:30] <quitte> where can i find the sources of ubuntu packages?
[09:30] <thomas7332> ogra, sorry, I'm back now
[09:30] <wasabi> Quote from the page: However, you can still play your MP3s with rhythmbox if you install gstreamer0.8-mad (you need to add the universe repository). LAME can be used to encode MP3s if you install gstreamer0.8-lame.
[09:30] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: What is the format/variable that I should enter for the part entitled wireless_keymode if I am using 128 bit encrip?   128?
[09:31] <eyal> what is it ?
[09:31] <wasabi> That quote provides a link on how to add that repository with synaptic.
[09:31] <farruinn> borgmeister, apt-cache search libcurses and libncurses might be a start
[09:31] <wasabi> gstreamer-mad is the MAD plugin for gstreamer, and MAD is a mp3 decoder.
[09:31] <wasabi> gstreamer is a media framework
[09:31] <flamesrock> hi, I'm wondering if someone can help me?
[09:31] <wasabi> eyal, you shouldn't have to use the terminal for any of this.
[09:32] <flamesrock> I can't find any information on how to upgrade to a newer verion of alsa
[09:32] <eyal> so wasabi where do i get this gstreamer ?
[09:32] <wasabi> flamesrock, why?
[09:32] <wasabi> eyal, you already have it.
[09:32] <wasabi> eyal, just follow the directions on how to install the MAD plugin.
[09:32] <wasabi> THey are on the RestrictedFormats page.
[09:32] <borgmeister> farruin: it says their available, and that i have the latest version
[09:33] <flamesrock> well, my sound card is oem, and just recently supported by the newest alsa
[09:33] <quitte> i tried both, the faq and the wiki, but can't find out were to get the sources of hoary.
[09:33] <eyal> ok...
[09:33] <eyal> ill try this 10x
[09:33] <borgmeister> farruinn: but kismet says they are missing when i ./configure
[09:33] <wasabi> eyal, do you see the portion of this page im refering to?
[09:33] <farruinn> could be a path issue I suppose, or some other environment variable
[09:33] <wasabi> borgmeister, you need libcurses-dev
[09:34] <wasabi> borgmeister, the development package. IT contains the C headers used to build against.
[09:34] <wasabi> The development portions of packages are split out, because the vast majority don't need them.
[09:34] <eyal> wasabi i dont see this portion
[09:34] <ogra> stephecarter: run: sudo apt-cdrom
[09:34] <wasabi> eyal, on that page, there is a MP3 and Windows Media Audio section.
[09:34] <ogra> stephecarter: in a terminal
[09:35] <ogra> stephecarter: it should provide the cd in synaptic then
[09:35] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: What is the format/variable that I should enter for the part entitled wireless_keymode if I am using 128 bit encrip?   128?
[09:35] <eyal> on what page wasabi on restricted page ?
[09:35] <borgmeister> wasabi: whats the devel package called?
[09:35] <wasabi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats, scroll down to MP3 and Windows Media Audio
[09:35] <wasabi> borgmeister, libcurses-dev.
[09:36] <eyal> i c ogg vorbis
[09:36] <borgmeister> wasabi: thats in the universe repos?
[09:36] <eyal> what do i do there ?
[09:36] <wasabi> eyal, um. It's only two sentences. You just have to read them.
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat> iface wlan0 inet static
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat>         address 192.168.1.81
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat>         network 192.168.1.0
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat>         broadcast 192.168.1.255
[09:36] <winnipegm> woot
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat>         gateway 192.168.1.1
[09:36] <winnipegm> i have sound :F
[09:36] <FunnyLookinHat>         wireless_essid funnyhat
[09:36] <winnipegm> :D
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat>         wireless_key 363BD682F0DD7A852FD38C40F9
[09:37] <eyal> oh ok
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat>         wireless_keymode 128
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat>         dns-nameservers 128.210.11.57
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat>         name Wireless LAN card
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Oooh woops
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Sorry everyone.
[09:37] <wasabi> borgmeister, I am not sure.
[09:37] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok wow, so I'm an idiot.
[09:37] <Muskrat_24> hrm
[09:37] <wasabi> borgmeister, i ment libncurses-dev
[09:37] <wasabi> Sorry.
[09:37] <ogra>  wireless_keymode Managed
[09:37] <ogra>  wireless_keymode Ad-Hoc
[09:38] <FunnyLookinHat> oooh, ok
[09:38] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat: i think
[09:38] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: Managed - invalid arg
[09:38] <borgmeister> wasabi: no problem, without you, id be a few steps back from here >.<
[09:39] <ogra> FunnyLookinHat: no idea, my card doesnt require this
[09:39] <linux_mafia> i think its actually libncurses5-dev, unless libncurses is a meta-package
[09:39] <FunnyLookinHat> ogra: Ok.
[09:40] <s0cks> ogra : You at the place with thingy?
[09:40] <ogra> s0cks: thingy ?
[09:40] <s0cks> The people
[09:41] <ogra> s0cks: i fly tomorrow
[09:41] <stephecarter> ogra: HELP - Now when I open synaptic i get an number of error messages and there is nothing in any of the lists!
[09:41] <wasabi> me->away
[09:41] <ogra> stephecarter:
[09:41] <ogra> stephecarter: argh
[09:42] <zooko> I don't know how to read irc backlog with this client, so if you said something to me and you want me to respond, you'll have to repeat it.
[09:42] <zooko> I have no wireless keywords for my 802.11g prism54 card right now.
[09:42] <zooko> Seems to work.
[09:43] <winnipegm> how can i edit sources.list????
[09:44] <NUAMI> <--- New to Linux,   Using the Live CD... my monitor goes out of timing on boot.. any way to fix?
[09:44] <ogra> winnipegm: do it in synaptic
[09:44] <NUAMI> the rate was H .1  V 197.sumthin
[09:45] <sval> winnipegm, vi /etc/apt/source.list
[09:45] <ogra> sval: not vi please
[09:45] <sval> winnipegm, with admin privileges
[09:45] <winnipegm> ok
[09:45] <sval> winnipegm, emacs, gedit, nano, ...
[09:45] <ogra> :)
[09:46] <NUAMI> is my text reaching server?
[09:46] <stephecarter> ping
[09:46] <eyal> wasabi !
[09:46] <eyal> wasabi i got a lot of new packages it think
[09:47] <stephecarter> ogra: A reboot has restored equilibrium - but still no sin of ndiswrapper.
[09:47] <SvenG> ogra:  Xemacs, jedenfalls, joe, jove; bingo, crisp, ee, easyedit, fte, kate, kedit,kile, kwrite, lyx, mcedit, medit, mined, nano, nedit, pico, qedit, slim,textpad, the, tse, vde, wily...
[09:47] <winnipegm> done
[09:47] <winnipegm> :)
[09:47] <ogra> SvenG: jedenfalls ?
[09:47] <winnipegm> nano is awsome
[09:47] <winnipegm> :)
[09:47] <winnipegm> used it a lil bit in gentoo
[09:48] <ogra> stephecarter: but your repositorys are ok again ?
[09:48] <NUAMI> HELLO?
[09:48] <s0cks> ogra : ?
[09:48] <ogra> s0cks: ?
[09:48] <winnipegm> damnit
[09:48] <winnipegm> totem-xine:
[09:48] <winnipegm>  Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[09:48] <SvenG> ogra: "jed" is expanded to "jedenfalls" by my irc client (irssi) automatically. it's an abbreviation.  so - i meant "jed".  good editor, too.
[09:48] <winnipegm> still getting this error
[09:48] <winnipegm> i edited that file
[09:48] <s0cks> ogra : You at the conferance?
[09:48] <winnipegm> 2nd and 3rd line
[09:49] <ogra> SvenG: lol...
[09:49] <stephecarter> ogra: Yes - there is only one which is checked - cdrom:[ubuntu 4.10 _Warty Warthog_ etc.
[09:49] <ogra> SvenG: so outen sich deutsche ungewollt hehe
[09:49] <SvenG> so many abbreviations - and just so many exception.s ;-)
[09:49] <ogra> stephecarter: the others are gone ?
[09:49] <stephecarter> ogra: No - they are there but unchecked.
[09:50] <SvenG> ogra: yeah... me kraut.  you "schote"?
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_> Crash information will be saved to your logfile.
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_> X Error of failed request:  BadColor (invalid Colormap parameter)
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_>   Major opcode of failed request:  79 (X_FreeColormap)
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_>   Resource id in failed request:  0x260000c
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_>   Serial number of failed request:  114
[09:50] <ogra> SvenG: hehe
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_>   Current serial number in output stream:  116
[09:50] <CaseysZ28_> how do i fix that error?
[09:50] <ogra> stephecarter: ok, i was a bit worried.....
[09:50] <sval> winnipegm, just ask
[09:50] <SvenG> CaseysZ28_: hey - dont paste X error into this channel, ok?  my heart stopped there for a second!
[09:50] <stephecarter> ogra: You and me both :-)
[09:50] <eyal> how do i play avi ?
[09:50] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: please post such things in #flood
[09:50] <sval> winnipegm, and ?
[09:50] <winnipegm> totem-xine:
[09:50] <winnipegm>  Depends: libxine1 but it is not installable
[09:50] <winnipegm> i get this
[09:50] <SvenG> eyal: mplayer <file>
[09:52] <winnipegm> oh shit
[09:52] <winnipegm> its working now
[09:52] <winnipegm> nm :D
[09:52] <winnipegm> had to reload
[09:52] <winnipegm> after
[09:52] <ogra> stephecarter: are you capable to ransfer data to the machine ? so you could just download the ndiwrapper package
[09:52] <ogra> +s
[09:52] <winnipegm> i edited that file
[09:52] <stephecarter> ogra: Should I enable any of the others?
[09:53] <ogra> stephecarter: useless without network.... but later, yes.... and disable the cdrom again
[09:53] <winnipegm> woot i can play dvdr now :d
[09:53] <NUAMI> hello
[09:53] <NUAMI> is my text being seen now?
[09:54] <winnipegm> oh gawd
[09:54] <stephecarter> ogra: OK - I can replace the Wireless card with an ethernet card and get internet connection that way - should I be able to find ndiswrapper that way?
[09:54] <winnipegm> does totem-xine support dts or dolby digital?
[09:55] <NUAMI> <--- Needs help can anyone hear me?
[09:55] <ernesto> hello all, great ubuntu community :D
[09:55] <ogra> stephecarter: yep
[09:55] <NUAMI> funny no one talks to me ... great community    huh
[09:56] <ogra> s0cks: hmm, yes. i will be there ....
[09:56] <ernesto> I just installed Samba on my ubuntu box...is there a way to integrate samba with nautilus, a la Konqueror smb:// etc?
[09:56] <eyal> SvenG i hear the avi and dont see it
[09:56] <slowhog> hello, gnome-control-center does not have file type applet, how do I install it?
[09:56] <daniel1404> Hi everyone, can someone help me with NVIDIA drivers on Ubuntu using XOrg ?
[09:57] <farruinn> NUAMI, usually when you aren't getting an answer then that means people don't know how to fix your problem
[09:57] <farruinn> but comments like that are just annoying
[09:57] <scizzo> hmmm
[09:57] <scizzo> how do I get mplayer and such to play my files
[09:57] <farruinn> and make it even less likely that you'll get an answer
[09:57] <scizzo> I don't get this
[09:57] <scizzo> all the formats I have are not being played in it
[09:57] <stephecarter> ogra: Thanx - I'll log on again when I have done that.
[09:58] <sval> scizzo, just add the multiverse repository in source.list
[09:58] <ogra> stephecarter: i'll be away then....
[09:58] <Ng> scizzo: look up the RestrictedFormats wiki page
[09:58] <NUAMI> farruinn when someone asks if the text is making it to server and NOT ONE PERSON responds   fuck ur community
[09:58] <ernesto> I just installed Samba on my ubuntu box...is there a way to integrate samba with nautilus, a la Konqueror smb:// etc?
[09:58] <Ng> scizzo: on the ubuntu website, that is
[09:58] <sval> scizzo, and download all the codec on the mplayer website
[09:58] <NUAMI> and this open OS pos
[09:58] <NUAMI> later
[09:58] <Ng> ernesto: network://
[09:58] <winnipegm> does totem-xine support dts or dolby digital?
[09:59] <Ng> ernesto: that will let you browse the SMB network, or I think you can just do smb://
[09:59] <winnipegm> =(
[09:59] <Ng> winnipegm: dts is not supported in any free software anymore :(
[09:59] <winnipegm> how about dd?
[09:59] <Ng> they threw their toys out of the pram and demanded it be removed from everything
[09:59] <Ng> not sure
[09:59] <ernesto> winnipegm: thanks dude
[09:59] <ernesto> by the way, ubuntu kicks ass :D
[09:59] <winnipegm> hehe
[09:59] <ernesto> I used to be a Libranet user...but I siwtched to ubuntu
[10:00] <daniel1404> Do someone knows about installing NVIDIA drivers in Ubunto using Xorg ?
[10:01] <ernesto> you know where I can get cool gnome apps?
[10:01] <Ng> daniel1404: there is an nvidia-glx package in universe or multiverse or something
[10:02] <Ng> it's not the most recent version of the drivers, but it works with hoary's x.org
[10:02] <farruinn> ernesto, take a look at synaptic, the gui package manager
[10:02] <daniel1404> Ng: yes, I just issued this:
[10:02] <Ng> ernesto: http://www.gnomefiles.org/
[10:02] <daniel1404>  03) $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:02] <daniel1404>   04) $ sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[10:02] <daniel1404>   05) $ sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:03] <daniels> daniel1404: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[10:03] <scizzo> sval: well it hasn't helped me..I have done those things actually
[10:03] <daniels> daniel1404: known issue, will be fixed on Monday, hopefully
[10:03] <sval> scizzo, and what's the problem then ?
[10:03] <daniels> (will hopefully spend Sunday poking around Barcelona rather than compiling kernels and such)
[10:04] <scizzo> sval: the sound is playing...but the video isn't showed
[10:04] <Ng> daniels: nice :)
[10:04] <daniel1404> When I try to sudo nvidia-glx-config enable I get This
[10:04] <Ng> barcelona, that is :)
[10:04] <daniel1404> Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 or /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
[10:04] <daniel1404> are missing from your system. Please be sure that your xserver package is
[10:04] <daniel1404> installed correctly.
[10:04] <sval> what the error message ?
[10:04] <Ng> daniel1404: do what daniels just said, it's because that package is looking for the old XFree config file
[10:04] <FunnyLookinHat> wireless sucks to setup.
[10:04] <sval> scizzo, what's the error message ?
[10:04] <daniel1404> Ng: Can it be fixed ?
[10:05] <zopi> ernesto : http://www.gnomefiles.org
[10:05] <zopi> sorry link already done :)
[10:05] <Ng> daniel1404: read what daniels said to you here 2 minutes ago :)
[10:06] <s0cks> ogra : How long/
[10:06] <daniel1404> Ng: same error
[10:06] <winnipegm> damnit
[10:06] <winnipegm> im playing a dvd
[10:06] <daniel1404> I've changed nv to nvidia
[10:06] <winnipegm> im only getting left and right channel
[10:06] <winnipegm> i need 5.1
[10:06] <winnipegm> :(
[10:07] <Ng> daniel1404: then you should be fine - that's all the nvidia-glx-config enable was going to do
[10:07] <ogra> s0cks: until the 10th.....
[10:07] <Ng> daniel1404: it just doesn't understand Xorg yet
[10:08] <s0cks> it started today, didnt it?
[10:10] <ernesto> I just mounted my FAT32 partition where I have windows installed, but through nautilus, it doesn't differentiate a folder from a file, but it does through the terminal. anybody knows if I should tweak something on nautilus?
[10:10] <chet> hello
[10:11] <winnipegm> frigg
[10:11] <winnipegm> not even tv out works
[10:11] <winnipegm> goddamn ati
[10:11] <ernesto> I just mounted my FAT32 partition where I have windows installed, but through nautilus, it doesn't differentiate a folder from a file, but it does through the terminal. anybody knows if I should tweak something on nautilus?
[10:11] <Ng> ernesto: no need to repeat the question, if nobody answers, nobody knows ;)
[10:12] <chet> i am browsing my windows network, when i get to the server and try to connect, i get an error stating there is some file association error?
[10:12] <scizzo> sval: The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.
[10:12] <scizzo> sval: VDecoder init failed :(
[10:12] <ernesto> Ng, have you mounted a FAT32 partition and have been able to see folders through nautilus?
[10:12] <Ng> ernesto: not since I installed ubuntu, but in the past, yes
[10:12] <Ng> ernesto: the only thing that springs to mind is permissions, but that seems fairly unlikely
[10:13] <sval> scizzo, which video file do you try to play ?
[10:13] <scizzo> sval: mpg, avi etc
[10:13] <chet> i see the server as a smb share via nautilus, but it doesnt know how to open it?
[10:13] <sval> scizzo , and you have problem for all of them
[10:14] <sval> scizzo, so try mplayer -vo xv videofile
[10:14] <chet> it states: "The filename "MEDIA" indicates that this file is of type "desktop configuration file". The contents of the file indicate that the file is of type "x-directory/smb-share". If you open this file, the file might present a security risk to your system."
[10:14] <stevecarter> ogra: I'm back. I have now downloaded all the packages in the ubuntu archive repositories but ndiswrapper stays obstinately absent.
[10:14] <scizzo> sval: that works
[10:15] <sval> scizzo, so enjoy :-)
[10:15] <Ng> stevecarter: ndiswrapper isn't in ubuntu's repositories
[10:15] <Arrrr> hello
[10:15] <chet> is there some way i can associate the smb share with a program so it can open it?
[10:15] <scizzo> sval: thanks
[10:15] <Arrrr> anyone knows how to make the font in the login screen smaller?
[10:15] <stevecarter> Ng: Can you tell me where it is please?
[10:15] <winnipegm> my font is small
[10:15] <winnipegm> why is yours big?
[10:15] <sval> scizzo , maybe you can define this by default in the .mplayer prferences file
[10:15] <winnipegm> new install?
[10:15] <Ng> stevecarter: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/  - they have a debian repository that *might* work, but it may not
[10:15] <scizzo> sval: already done.. :)
[10:16] <sval> scizzo  ;)
[10:16] <Arrrr> winnipegm: i  just want to change the size, that's all...
[10:16] <winnipegm> ok
[10:16] <winnipegm> try display panel thingy
[10:16] <Arrrr> ???
[10:16] <Arrrr> what display panel?
[10:16] <stevecarter> Ng: I have tried that - but it is all gobbledegook to me.  Someone else thought it should be on the CD - do you know any different?
[10:16] <winnipegm> right click in screen
[10:16] <Arrrr> that wouldn't work.. i've tried it
[10:17] <winnipegm> ok
[10:17] <winnipegm> reinstalll ;)
[10:17] <chet> could someone please help me with an smb issue please? :)
[10:17] <slowhog> is gnome-file-types-properties removed from capplets in warty?
[10:17] <Ng> stevecarter: I'm certainly no expert, but I can't find it in the ubuntu repositories, which means it's very unlikely to be on the CD.
[10:17] <winnipegm> damn
[10:17] <winnipegm> cant i get mplayer for ubuntu?
[10:18] <Arrrr> i have mplayer
[10:18] <winnipegm> how u get it?
[10:18] <Arrrr> i watch movies using it
[10:18] <winnipegm> dl it first?
[10:18] <Arrrr> i think from the universe repository
[10:18] <Ng> stevecarter: the grey box on that page that starts "deb" is a line you can use as a synaptic repository
[10:18] <winnipegm> i searched for it in there it wasnt there
[10:18] <Ng> stevecarter: whether or not those debian packages will work with ubuntu is another question though, it could well not work
[10:18] <winnipegm> im switching to kde ne ways
[10:18] <Arrrr> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty universe
[10:18] <Arrrr> do you have that?
[10:18] <winnipegm> i think kde has it by default
[10:19] <stevecarter> Ng: by "that page" do you mean the link you mentioned earlier?
[10:19] <winnipegm> yup
[10:19] <Arrrr> that's beating the purpose of a gnome distribution..
[10:19] <Ng> stevecarter: sorry, yes :)
[10:19] <chet> does anyone know of a command i can use directy for smb since i cant get nautilus to work, please
[10:20] <Arrrr> winniepegm: that's strange.. coz i have mplayer in my synaptic
[10:20] <limaunion> chet: man smbmount ?
[10:20] <chet> ok,
[10:21] <chet> is smbmount part of default install?
[10:21] <chet> i dont get how smb has no porgram associated with it?
[10:21] <Arrrr> winnipegm: reinstall ? :P
[10:22] <melazybo3> When running dist-upgrade, i got an error, 'the applicaton 'gnome-panel' has quit unexpectedly'. is this normal?
[10:22] <melazybo3> hoary distro.
[10:22] <borgmeister> it works!
[10:22] <potato_head> chet: checkout smbfs in synaptic
[10:22] <borgmeister> wasabi: it works, cheers mate
[10:22] <Ng> melazybo3: no, it's not normal, it means it crashed
[10:22] <winnipegm> how i shut the anoying sounds off in kde
[10:23] <winnipegm> damnit its killing me
[10:23] <Ng> melazybo3: although hoary is an unstable release, so it is normal in a way
[10:23] <chet> potato_head, i was under the assumption that nautilus would just browse,, it seems the problem may be deeper
[10:23] <chet> but i will look into it, thanks
[10:23] <ScislaC> hello
[10:24] <winnipegm> i got it
[10:24] <winnipegm> :D
[10:24] <potato_head> chet: it will browse, but to mount an smb share on the file system I think you need smbfs
[10:25] <Zotnix> oh! Duh! No wonder I couldn't mount smbfs
[10:25] <CPUnerd> ok.. is there something different between the live cd and the install cd that makes the install not recognize my lan card ?
[10:26] <CPUnerd> well, it recognizes it.. but when I activate it, it de-activates itself.
[10:31] <CPUnerd> it sees it in the network config applet but ifconfig eth0 doesnt see it.. :)
[10:31] <CPUnerd> thank you
[10:31] <ScislaC> If I already have XP & Mandrake 10 on a box, can I also install Ubuntu along side easily?
[10:34] <sval> ScislaC, if you have place for it ... why not ;)
[10:35] <limaunion> ScislaC: sure, why not? just create a new free partition with enough free space.
[10:36] <ScislaC> will the bootloader automatically pick it up or will I have to manually configure?
[10:37] <limaunion> while an md5sum will take almost twice the time for the same file under reiserfs than under vfat ? any ideas?
[10:37] <potato_head> gnome terminal blows hairy goats. Any suggestions for something better?
[10:38] <tvon|x31> xterm
[10:38] <sval> potato_head , xterm ;)
[10:38] <tvon|x31> though gt works fine for me
[10:39] <limaunion> ScislaC: I guess it'll detect all your system, but i'm not sure
[10:39] <potato_head> Does gt support select-copy, and rightclick-paste?
[10:39] <Q-FUNK> is there a way to make FX86 and GDM work with just msttcorefonts, ttf-bitstream-vera and ttf-freefont, without any of rhe xfonts-* package?
[10:39] <tvon|x31> potato_head: yes
[10:41] <stevecarter> Ng: I see you are still here. I have now got a package called ndiswrapper-source installed. Any idea how I use it to install the wirless drivers?
[10:43] <guest2> anyone here run ubuntu on a PPC?
[10:43] <cornflake> how do i enable ssh on my box?
[10:43] <guest2> i'm trying to setup the new apple webcam
[10:43] <crimsun> sudo apt-get install openssh-server  <-- ?
[10:44] <guest2> the funky silver one
[10:44] <farruinn> guest2, i use ppc, but no webcam, sorry =(
[10:45] <marska> Hey everyone.. I need help with mounting a removable CD-RW and mounting Fat32 partitions.
[10:45] <guest2> ok, does ubuntu use the ieee1394 raw driver? this firewire camera is an ieee394 device
[10:46] <marska> The CD-RW drive doesn't care to mount or be detected and I'm not sure how to fiddle with it enough. Anyone care to help?
[10:46] <guest2> i get the err  no drivers for IEEE1394 product 0x000000/0x00a02d/0x000102
[10:47] <marska> I'd appreciate it.
[10:47] <stevecarter> ping
[10:48] <iz> marska, mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom ?
[10:49] <farruinn> guest2, I'm guessing that means there's no driver installed for the webcam itself.  Linux does support firewire
[10:49] <iz> marska, or mount /dev/scd1 /mnt/cdrw
[10:49] <melazyboy> does anyone know if fglrx is working in the new xorg yet?
[10:49] <marska> Says both do not exist.
[10:49] <britt_radiofree> is typeahead broken in ephy for anyone?
[10:50] <marska> Which is funny, because I just got done installing the distro from the drive
[10:50] <iz> marska, maybe thirst do a dmesg
[10:50] <marska> You'll need to break it down a little
[10:50] <marska> Ah...
[10:51] <iz> i must to get some sleep sorry maybe some other guy/girl can help you
[10:51] <marska> Thank you though.
[10:51] <marska> Have a good nap
[10:51] <iz> no problem goodluck
[10:52] <marska> Anyone care to walk a n00b through mounting a drive?
[10:52] <marska> Or is anyone just extremely board?
[10:52] <marska> bored even
[10:53] <cornflake> guest2: thanx for telling me that
[10:53] <farruinn> marska, what does the line for your cdrom drive say in fstab?
[10:53] <stevecarter> Hi. I have been trying for a while to get a wireless LAN card working, and one or two folk have been very helpful. I now have ndiswrapper-source installed as a package. Can someone tell me what has to be done next?
[10:54] <marska> Looking now
[10:54] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: Do you have the windows version of the driver on your system somewhere?
[10:54] <stevecarter> Yes - on a CD sitting in the CDrom drive.
[10:54] <farruinn> less /etc/fstab | grep cdrom
[10:55] <marska> Farruin, may I message you?
[10:55] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: copy the files to somewhere local, like a directory in your home directory.
[10:55] <farruinn> there's really no reason to - it helps everyone more if we talk here
[10:55] <marska> Alright
[10:55] <marska> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto
[10:56] <FunnyLookinHat> marska: He's right you know.  ;)
[10:56] <CPUnerd> I still can't get network connection from install cd
[10:56] <FunnyLookinHat> CPUnerd: Are you trying DHCP or manual network config?  I would try second, DHCP didn't work for me either.
[10:56] <marska> It doesn't want to mount from scdi
[10:56] <farruinn> marska, is this a scsi drive or something?
[10:56] <CPUnerd> dhcp
[10:57] <marska> Its a USB device
[10:57] <farruinn> oooh
[10:57] <FunnyLookinHat> CPUnerd: Yeah, try manual config.  It'll probably work real fast for ya.
[10:57] <marska> That was also confusing me.
[10:57] <CPUnerd> FunnyLookinHat, I can't
[10:57] <CPUnerd> I get dhcp from my isp
[10:57] <CPUnerd> but the live cd it works
[10:57] <CPUnerd> when I get on the installed... ifconfig eth0 doesnt even see a card
[10:57] <CPUnerd> but network-config get the eth0 there..
[10:57] <CPUnerd> but not possible to activate it
[10:58] <stevecarter> FunnyLookingHat: OK they are on the harddisk in my folder.
[10:58] <guest2> what is the default video device in ubuntu.. /dev/video??
[10:58] <guest2> /dev/video0??
[10:58] <marska> I am very easily confused by the way... Anyway.. How do I mount this then?
[10:58] <CPUnerd> mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive
[10:58] <marska> From dmesg it is detecting the drive, but its saying its scsi
[10:58] <marska> Alright
[10:58] <CPUnerd> but you have to mkdir /mnt/usbdrive though
[10:59] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: Good.  Now go to this link and try to finish...
[10:59] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[10:59] <guest2> marska most usb storage devices are treated as scsi devices in linux
[10:59] <FunnyLookinHat> That is step by step instructions...  you are probably at step 4
[10:59] <CPUnerd> FunnyLookinHat, any ideas ?
[11:00] <FunnyLookinHat> CPUnerd: (thinking)...  Honestly, no.  You could try copying the DHCP stuff that your computer gets when online to the manual config screen for boot cd.
[11:00] <marska> root@unknown:/home/marska # mount -t vfat /dev/sr0 /mnt/usbdrive
[11:00] <marska> mount: block device /dev/sr0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[11:00] <marska> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
[11:00] <marska>        or too many mounted file systems
[11:00] <marska> Thats what I'm getting
[11:00] <CPUnerd> are you sure it's sr0 ?
[11:01] <stevecarter> FunnyLookingHat: OK - but it tells me to do something avbout which I am ignorant i.e. Call "ndiswrapper -i foobar.inf"  How do I call this?
[11:01] <marska> That what it says in dmesg
[11:01] <marska> And the sd0 mount point doesn't return anything
[11:02] <CPUnerd> sd0
[11:02] <CPUnerd> type "/exec -o mount -t vfat /dev/sd0 /mnt/usb
[11:02] <guest2> marska: check /etc/fstab to see if there's a relevant entry. should be there already
[11:03] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: open up a terminal window and navigate to the location where you have the driver files
[11:03] <farruinn> marska, I'm searching....
[11:03] <guest2> CPUnerd why /exec ?
[11:03] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: Then run the command sudo ndiswrapper -i (yourdriverfile).inf
[11:03] <CPUnerd> so we can see it.
[11:03] <marska> Thank you Farruin, I've already tried Google though.
[11:03] <guest2> ahh k
[11:04] <guest2> well you have another 20 ubuntu users here
[11:04] <marska> Fstab shows - "/dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660"
[11:04] <guest2> a install fest in belgium
[11:04] <guest2> ubuntu is the basis for a new series of multimedia workshops apparently
[11:04] <CPUnerd> marska, we'll fit it into fstab once it's mounted and we kno the device id
[11:04] <marska> Do you want the dmesg information?
[11:05] <guest2> it's a trul lovely distro.. very happy
[11:05] <marska> Rather go back to plain ol' debian. More packages.
[11:05] <CPUnerd> marska that's sooo true
[11:05] <insomny> Hi all !
[11:05] <rototom> evening together
[11:05] <farruinn> even with universe and multiverse enabled?
[11:05] <insomny> is there any french people here ?
[11:05] <marska> You mean the drive, farruin?
[11:06] <CPUnerd> marska, I installed this because I"m tired of taking care of my servers at work so I wanted something quick and easy ;)
[11:06] <guest2> i'm no french though writing from brussels
[11:06] <CPUnerd> it's beautiful though
[11:06] <marska> Thats called lazyness.
[11:06] <marska> I really can't stand gnome
[11:06] <CPUnerd> I know
[11:06] <CPUnerd> can't stand gnome ?
[11:06] <CPUnerd> why did you take ubuntu then ? take some windows-looking knoppix
[11:06] <farruinn> marksa, no, I mean there are still more packages in debian than ubuntu+universe+multiverse
[11:07] <insomny> Okay, but all what I wanted to know was wich chan is french one ? I tried ubuntu-fr but there's no one...
[11:07] <marska> Ya.. I know.
[11:07] <guest2> marska well a dislike of gnome is a reason to shy away from gnome
[11:07] <marska> Well du'h.. It was either this or Gentoo at the moment though, Windows did a 180 on me and walked into the floor
[11:07] <insomny> oups, there're lot of people ^ sorry
[11:07] <CPUnerd> ok, going back to SID. C ya later.
[11:07] <FunnyLookinHat> stevecarter: By the way, if you have lots of issues don't be surprised... I've been trying to get mine to work for quite some time w/o luck.
[11:08] <marska> Later then nerd
[11:08] <guest2> marska for my laptop i installed debian as i'm an openbox fan
[11:08] <marska> I'm partial to XFCE
[11:09] <marska> I don't enjoy two minute boot times though.
[11:09] <marska> With Gnome.
[11:09] <melazyboy> Is there anyway i can gain access of a windows desktop through linux, like a cross platform ssh, or remote desktop
[11:09] <farruinn> fluxbox all the way ;-)
[11:09] <melazyboy> to a*
[11:09] <melazyboy> I have physical access to both machens but would like to control them all via one terminal
[11:09] <marska> Fluxbox is a perversion of blackbox...
[11:10] <marska> A perversion I say!
[11:11] <farruinn> never tried blackbox - always had heard that flux was an "improved" versoin of blackbox
[11:11] <guest2> marska,  yeah but openbox simply rox. xml config's are so lovely and useable
[11:11] <stephecarter> FunnyLookingHat: When I run sudo Ndiswrapper etc. as you suggetsed, I get an error message sudo: ndiswrapper: command not found.
[11:11] <marska> Blackbox is to fluxbox what a desert is if you remove all the rocks, animals, and plants.
[11:12] <Procent> hi, tell me please where can i find ramdisk's driver? i am especially interested in one that compresses each block, but not necessarly
[11:12] <marska> I'd really like to get back onto debian though..
[11:13] <geppy> Is there a more configurable ripper than grip?  I'm wanting something that I can make utilize FLAC's comment fields properly.
[11:14] <sval> geppy , you can with grip, just configure the command line option for flac
[11:14] <rototom> geppy, abcde jack sound-juicer kio
[11:16] <geppy> sval:  The difficulty arises in fields like "performer", "license", "organization", etc.  The only way to do this in grip would be to change the encoder config each time that you rip (by hardcoding the values).
[11:18] <marska> Or.. Alright.. Fine damn it.
[11:18] <marska> Two easy questions..
[11:18] <marska> 1... How do I mount a fat32 partition?
[11:19] <geppy> mount /dev/hd<identifier> /mnt/<mountpoint>
[11:19] <calamari> hi
[11:19] <geppy> If I wanted to mount the FAT32 partition which is the first partition on my first drive, I'd first make a directory "/mnt/hda1/", and then run 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1'
[11:20] <geppy> sval:  Any ideas?
[11:21] <thomas_> :)
[11:21] <melazyboy> ,,, marska If i wanted to mount a fat32 partition - /dev/hda1, as /mnt/fat, i would use the following line 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/fat -t fat32 -o umask=000'
[11:22] <melazyboy> err
[11:22] <melazyboy> rather vfat
[11:22] <thomas_> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/fat  ?
[11:22] <melazyboy> thomas + -o umask=000
[11:22] <jblack> Hmmm. apparently myu laptop has bluetooth, and the modules load for it, but bluetooth doesn't work
[11:23] <melazyboy> thomas_: Otherwise you won't be writing to the partition
[11:23] <thomas_> ok
[11:23] <melazyboy> I want to an x40 so bad
[11:23] <melazyboy> =[
[11:23] <melazyboy> with ulv processer
[11:24] <melazyboy> daniels: What is your battery life like and do you use 8cell or 4cell?
[11:32] <daniels> melazyboy: very good (5-6h usually), and 8-cell, because that's what it came with
[11:33] <thu> you don't need -t vfat for mount
[11:35] <rototom> i want my ubuntu cds!
[11:35] <rototom> ;-)
[11:37] <ACID|net> evening,  i have just intalled ubuntu and found its really cool.........i want to install it on my old P120 to use for dev - just like PHP and Apache and test out different configs etc however when I installed it on my system it took 2gb - the p120 only has a 1gb harddrive - is there a way to pick and choose what u want?
[11:37] <sval> ACID|net
[11:37] <sval> ACID|net , yes, choose the expert mode install
[11:38] <ACID|net> is that then more like the main debian installer??
[11:38] <sval> ACID|net , don't know really but i suppose
[11:39] <ACID|net> ok cool thanks
[11:41] <Muskra1> heh
[11:45] <Nivlem> Having trouble connecting from UbuntuPPC to what will be my headless UbuntuPC install...I want to use tightvncserver on the PC to be able and control it from the Mac...it is refusing the connection..I have edited the hosts.allow file for box machines, verified that tightvncserver is running, ran vncpasswd..no joy..get connection refused..
[11:45] <Nivlem> *both*
[11:46] <gen> using vncviewer on the pc?
[11:46] <Nivlem> gen: the other way around..sorry I was dyslexic in my explanation..
[11:47] <gen> how would you use tightvncserver to control anything
[11:47] <gen> client side? doesnt make sense
[11:47] <Nivlem> gen: I can ping the vncserver machine...I cannot connect either using the actual ip address
[11:47] <winnipegm> ( Multimedia ) Video Card: [ Screen Resolution: 1152x864 pixels / 24 Bits | 3D Acceleration: No ]  | | CD-Rom: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 | CD-RW: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108
[11:47] <winnipegm> how can i get 3d :(
[11:47] <gen> nivlem, you used the correct port right
[11:47] <gen> like ip:port
[11:47] <gen> 192.168.1.100:5800
[11:47] <gen> etc
[11:48] <Nivlem> gen: Didn't specify this since the man page on the server said it should work with defaults..
[11:48] <gen> when connecting client side you have to specify port
[11:49] <Nivlem> gen: You know what the default port is it uses?
[11:49] <gen> 5800 or 5900 i believe
[11:49] <Nivlem> gen: thanks..will  try that...
[11:54] <mouu> hi
[11:55] <Kamion> sval: expert mode isn't really helpful in this case
[11:55] <Kamion> ACID|net: try custom, not expert
[11:56] <gen> you replied 10 minutes late
[11:56] <Kamion> gen: who, me?
[11:56] <gen> yeah
[11:56] <Kamion> gen: not all of us watch IRC 24/7; I'm busy packing for the conference
[11:56] <gen> yeah i know :)
[11:57] <Kamion> my client shows timestamps, I'm aware of relative times of comments
[11:58] <gen> yeah, as does mine
[11:58] <gen> and that time was from my head anyhow, doesn't matter