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[12:12] <trulux> lamont, is James (binutils pkg maintainer) online?
[12:14] <lifeless> trulux: which James?
[12:16] <trulux> Troup
[12:16] <lifeless> not around at the moment
[12:19] <lifeless> lamont is travelling... won't hear from him till he hits mataro I tihnk
[12:20] <trulux> lifeless, kay
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[12:45] <daniels> trulux: no, sorry
[12:46] <trulux> ok
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[01:35] <haggai> carlos: thanks
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[09:06] <bob2> hm
[09:06] <bob2> should suspend-to-ram be logged anywhere?
[09:07] <bob2> my paranoia circuit is having trouble beleiving a) it works at all, and b) that it wakes up so damn quickly
[09:07] <Mithrandir> bob2: look at a sleep indicator?
[09:07] <bob2> the little moon?
[09:07] <bob2> it's not coming on
[09:08] <Mithrandir> then the baby's not sleeping; try just echo mem > /sys/power/state
[09:08] <fabbione> morning guys
[09:09] <Mithrandir> hi fabio
[09:09] <fabbione> hey Mith
[09:10] <bob2> hrm, sounds like something to try when I'm not rsyncing my homedir, but thanks :)
[09:11] <Mithrandir> bob2: well, you're probably right.
[09:11] <Mithrandir> bob2: it should sleep if you unload the USB modules
[09:12] <bob2> ah
[09:13] <bob2> hm
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=== Treenaks made a photo series of the walk from the station to the NH hotel
[10:26] <Treenaks> *uploading*
[10:26] <Treenaks> fabbione: you here yet? :)
[10:26] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: fabbione and I are arriving this afternoon
[10:26] <Treenaks> cool
[10:27] <Treenaks> I'll upload the photo series so you can see how to walk on your PDAs :P
[10:27] <fabbione> i don't have a PDA :-)
[10:28] <Treenaks> laptop then
[10:28] <Treenaks> mobile phone
[10:28] <sjoerd> Treenaks: we can study them in the train from bcn :)
[10:28] <Treenaks> sjoerd: 8)
[10:29] <daniels> Treenaks: URL? :)
[10:29] <Treenaks> daniels: copying from flash. but they'll be on foodfight.org/fotos/2004/ somewhere :)
[10:30] <Mithrandir> fabbione: I have an x40, it's almost a pda. :P
[10:30] <Treenaks> btw, I like the UBUNTU wireless network here :) much cheaper than Eurospot :)
[10:46] <sjoerd> Treenaks: i'm getting ``not found'' on your pages ?
[10:47] <Treenaks> I know
[10:47] <Treenaks> fixing
[10:47] <sjoerd> :)
[10:50] <Treenaks> should be fixed now
[10:51] <Treenaks> tr/// doesn't work well with things like UTF-8 :(
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[10:52] <sjoerd> 500 on the marina and pier page
[10:53] <sjoerd> same on the walk from blabla page
[10:53] <Treenaks> I know
[10:53] <Treenaks> the thumbnailing thingy crashes on unfinished jpgs
[10:53] <Treenaks> and as I'm still uploading... :)
[10:53] <sjoerd> ahah :)
[10:54] <sjoerd> nice connection ?
[10:54] <Treenaks> no :)
[10:54] <Treenaks> 45 minutes remaining 
[10:57] <Treenaks> ah, I have an 1mbit connection to the AP
[10:57] <Treenaks> that explains it
[10:58] <Treenaks> oh, and across the street there's a thing called "UNIX", but I don't know what it is
[11:16] <Treenaks> I've found:
[11:17] <Treenaks> - 3 computer hardware stores
[11:17] <Treenaks> - at least1 nice coffee bar (great coffee!)
[11:18] <Treenaks> (they also serve bread with cheese/meat)
[11:19] <thom> Treenaks: if you're in the hotel, come to the second floor, follow the signs to the "salones" and mako and i are in the belagua
[11:19] <Treenaks> thom: second floow being "2" or "1"? :)
[11:19] <Treenaks> (american or european numbering system? :))
[11:20] <thom> european
[11:20] <thom> uh, um.
[11:20] <Treenaks> so "press 2 in the elevator", OK
[11:20] <thom> the floor numbered 2, i mean :-)
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[11:22] <thom> yeah, we have an 8mbit or so connection here ;-)
[11:24] <mako> Treenaks: ciao
[11:36] <Treenaks> http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-05%20Walk%20from%20Matar%C3%B3%20train%20station%20to%20hotel/
[11:41] <Treenaks> http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-05%20Matar%C3%B3%20marina%20and%20pier/
[11:51] <ironwolf> Treenaks: great photos! thanks for sharing!
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[02:01] <ChrisH> The Warty CD does not boot on a server here. Knoppix does. Is there a way to boot the first stage from Knoppix and then switch?
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[03:07] <magnon> hm, where's gaim's header files hiding+
[03:08] <magnon> ?
[03:08] <magnon> *devel files in general
[03:08] <bob2> gaim's headers aren't packaged, iirc
[03:09] <bob2> there's an outstanding wishlist bug about it
[03:09] <magnon> ah, thanks.
[03:09] <bob2> (I think)
[03:10] <magnon> seems like a reasonable explanation to me :)
[03:11] <magnon> I'll have to source it, then
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[03:24] <sivang> mdz : do you know if mako already computed the keyring md5sums? it was said it wold be available by yesterday :)
[03:24] <sivang> mdz : (I'm talking about the ksp)
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[03:33] <mjg59> Is it just me, or is the kernel package build system on crack?
[03:34] <mjg59> Are there any docs on how to move to a new upstream version without sedding files by hand?
[03:42] <sivang> mjg59 : what do you mean "new upstream version" a kenrnel recompilatio howto?
[03:46] <mjg59> sivang: No, I want to adapt the ubuntu kernel source package to a 2.6.10 prerelease for testing purposes
[03:46] <sivang> mjg59 : ah I see:) I don't recall I've seen a howto for this then.
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[03:51] <thom> yes, the kernel build system is awesomely crackful
[03:53] <mjg59> Oh, WURGH.
[03:53] <mjg59> tg3.c is an empty file in the Hoary 2.6.9?
[03:53] <mjg59> Oh, I see...
[03:57] <mjg59> Argle.
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[04:29] <sladen> mjg59: make-kpkg debian  ?
[04:30] <mjg59> Oh, is that how it's done?
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[04:56] <zul> morning
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[06:44] <Treenaks> why is it so quiet in here? I mean.. everyone seems to have a laptop + IRC :)
[06:44] <lamont_r> lol
[06:44] <lamont_r> you in mataro Treenaks ?
[06:45] <sjoerd> Treenaks: probably because some people don't need irc to talk to eachother :)
[06:45] <Treenaks> lamont_r: yes ;)
[06:45] <thom> sjoerd: it's not stopping those two, they're about a foot apart
[06:45] <lamont_r> thom: more like 6
[06:46] <sjoerd> thom: hehe
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[06:57] <trulux> hey guys
[06:57] <trulux> hey lamont & doko 
[06:57] <trulux> having good time at Matar?
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[06:58] <lamont_r> trulux: yeah
[06:58] <trulux> :D
[06:59] <trulux> here there's no sun at all
[07:00] <sjoerd> thom: oh is there ipv6 over there or just ipv4 ?
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[07:01] <trulux> lamont, i've sent some bug reports regarding my toolchain enhancements to the ubuntu bugzilla
[07:01] <thom> just v4
[07:01] <thom> i think
[07:01] <trulux> doko received the gcc related ones quickly
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[07:09] <sivang> pitti : Hi !
[07:11] <pitti> Hi sivang!
[07:11] <pitti> sivang: greetings from Matar :-)
[07:12] <sjoerd> pitti: had a nice trip ? 
[07:12] <sivang> pitti : Yeah, how was the trip?
[07:14] <Treenaks> pitti: could you shout your name so I know who you are? :P
[07:14] <Treenaks> sjoerd: when were you arriving? wednesday?
[07:14] <sjoerd> Treenaks: tuesday
[07:15] <sjoerd> in the afternoon
[07:15] <sjoerd> plane lands at 11:15 in bcn
[07:16] <Treenaks> sjoerd: ah, mine landed 14:20 and I was here around 1700
[07:16] <sjoerd> uhm, 11:45 thatis
[07:16] <Treenaks> sjoerd: http://foodfight.org/fotos/2004/12-05%20Walk%20from%20Matar%C3%B3%20train%20station%20to%20hotel/
[07:16] <Treenaks> sjoerd: walk from train station to hotel ;)
[07:16] <Treenaks> sjoerd: to download to your PDA/laptop
[07:17] <sjoerd> saw them
[07:17] <trulux> will be the next ubuntu conference celebrated in Matar too?
[07:19] <pitti> sjoerd, sivan: a bit exhausting, but it went all well
[07:19] <sivang> pitti : good to hear that :)
[07:19] <pitti> pitti: ping to myself
[07:19] <sivang> pitti : I heared you travlled with lamont
[07:20] <pitti> sivang: yes, I met him in Frankfurt
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[07:32] <mako> i'm downloading the last set of keys that people sent and then i'm going to compute the md5sum, do a few tests and then send it
[07:33] <sivang> mako : great
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[08:36] <sivang> anybody know how to use dh_scrollkeeper? the man page is , a bit cryptic :)
[08:38] <mjg59> sivang: Just call it in your debian/rules after the package has installed into debian/tmp (or whatever)
[08:38] <mjg59> You may need to do some extra stuff if you have your own postinst
[08:38] <sivang> mjg59 : am using cdbs
[08:38] <mjg59> Oh, right
[08:38] <mjg59> Try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org
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[08:49] <sivang> mjg59 : I have called it in my rules, but it seems to not having done anything :) 
[08:49] <sivang> ok, I'll try there.
[08:49] <sivang> mjg59 : thanks!
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[09:40] <lupus_> k I noticed that if you change an option in gnome-volume-manager properties this will have no effect till you restart it.
[09:41] <lupus_> shouldn't gnome-volume-manager be restarted when you click on close then?
[09:41] <lupus_> I don't want to wait till next reboot :p
[09:42] <wasabi_> it should apply instantly.
[09:42] <wasabi_> i thought it did.
[09:43] <sivang> tseng : ping
[09:43] <tseng> hi sivang 
[09:44] <sivang> tseng : hey :) I have started with cdbs, it's a workhorse :) However , I thought of asking you about a trouble I have with dh_scrollkeeper, I am not sure how to use it under cdbs.
[09:44] <lupus_> wasabi_, I changed the cd audio entry to goobox
[09:45] <tseng> well cdbs has a method to override a function
[09:45] <tseng> like in OOP
[09:45] <lupus_> but it still starts the old player
[09:45] <tseng> basically you can add custom methods to any function that cdbs already defines in an include
[09:45] <sivang> tseng : where can I paste you my rules file? 
[09:45] <lupus_> can someone test to verify
[09:45] <tseng> sivang: grab my tomboy package
[09:45] <tseng> sivang: and look at the rules file
[09:46] <tseng> its a good example of overriding to call dh_blah
[09:46] <sivang> tseng : you are also installing documentation into scrollkeeper there?
[09:46] <tseng> no, im calling dh_netdeps
[09:46] <tseng> overriding a predefined function
[09:47] <tseng> im sure someone here knows an example of a cdbs package using scrollkeeper, however
[09:47] <sivang> anyone ? :)
[09:48] <sivang> tseng : I have the 2 standard includes, for makefile and debhelper, and I added:
[09:48] <tseng> there is a gnome include
[09:49] <tseng> it actually calls dh_scrollkeeper
[09:49] <tseng> have a look.
[09:49] <tseng> it should "just work" for basic stuff
[09:52] <sivang> tseng : I know, already tried it - it looks for the whole set of auto tools in the pkg source folder, and it's a plain doc pkg so nothing like that in it yet.
[09:52] <sivang> tseng : how do I create it a set of autotools file ?
[09:52] <tseng> in a new project?
[09:52] <tseng> or from cvs
[09:53] <sivang> tseng : in a new , completely fresh package tree I created.
[09:54] <tseng> no idea about autotooling from scratch, sorry
[09:54] <tseng> im sure there is a good FM in that area
[09:55] <sivang> tseng : ok, I will check , thanks anyway :)
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[10:36] <trulux> lamont, it would be a good idea to run a poll about what devs think about improving more security enhancements in Ubuntu
[10:36] <trulux> like the one at http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/www/?page=survey
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[10:47] <sivang> does anybody know if we can use h323: (gnomeeting) from mataro?
[10:47] <sivang> or could please have a test for it
[10:53] <trulux> yep, is it re-transmitted?
[11:00] <sivang> trulux : what?
[11:00] <sivang> I am not sure about that...
[11:02] <sjoerd> sivang: all the people from mataro seem to come from one ip addy.. So probably natted
[11:02] <sjoerd> sivang: so it probably won't work
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[11:51] <sivang> sjoerd : I see
[11:51] <sivang> sjoerd : then gaim it is :)
[11:52] <sivang> I use voip from a NATed lan :)
[11:53] <sjoerd> voip ? h323  or sip
[11:53] <sjoerd> i'm doing the same, but my gw does portforwarding for a portrange, so it works with gm
[11:53] <sjoerd> an most of the time i use ipv6, so all stupid limitations are gone
[11:54] <sivang> sjoerd : well, could you show a bit ipv6 when I'm there ? :) would be willing to learn to set up.
[11:55] <sjoerd> ipv6 network is trivial.. connection to the outside world is somewhat harder currently
[11:57] <sjoerd> being behind a nat makes it more difficult again, but just ask me about it if you want to know
[11:58] <sjoerd> or fabionne, he knows a lot about it too iirc