[12:01] <jdodson> hey all.
[12:02] <gen> Hey
[12:02] <jdodson> how are you doing?
[12:02] <gen> fine, about to put christmas tree up
[12:03] <jdodson> ha! just did our decorating.
[12:03] <mirak> I just realised that a my univ, the homes are exported with NFS. Even if switch blocks aliens adress macs, somebody should inform the admin that it's easy to spoof a mac adress. pfff
[12:03] <mouu> how can I install libglcore?
[12:04] <Nivlem> does Ubuntu use rc.local to startup other items after running through the normal Sysvinit stuff?
[12:04] <gen> nivlem, did it work
[12:04] <ACID|net> is there a way to install other windows managers on ubuntu?
[12:05] <paulproteus> ACID|net: Through Synaptic you can get them.
[12:05] <paulproteus> You may need to enable Universe.
[12:05] <gen> yeah youd o
[12:05] <melazyboy> IS there anyway to use username and password when using the gnome gui for samba
[12:05] <melazyboy> as in logging onto remote machiens
[12:06] <paulproteus> smb://username:password@host/share may do it.
[12:06] <Nivlem> gen:Well even though ps ax |grep tightvncserver showed it running as a process it was necessary to issue tightvncserver :1 for display port 1 to allow a connection...now how to learn how Ubuntu can have this command passed at boot time..
[12:07] <Nivlem> gen: so yes it worked..wasn't necessary to specify a port(unless you want to control it)
[12:07] <Nivlem> ogra: Greetings
[12:07] <mouu> how can I install libglcore?
[12:07] <ACID|net> paulproteus: Cheers, i didnt noticed there was a main and universe :)
[12:08] <paulproteus> ACID|net: This is covered in the FAQ, for what it's worth. :)
[12:08] <Kamion> Nivlem: no, there's no rc.local in Debian-style distributions. You can always add your own init script, or use /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh.
[12:09] <Kamion> Nivlem: (I dislike using bootmisc.sh, though: it's run too early.)
[12:09] <Nivlem> Kamion: thank you...is there a better option?
[12:09] <Kamion> Nivlem: see /etc/init.d/skeleton, copy to taste
[12:10] <Kamion> then use update-rc.d to install symlinks for it
[12:10] <Nivlem> Kamion: thanks for helping me out!
[12:10] <Kamion> no problem
[12:10] <melazyboy> dear god samba interface w/ gnome needs alot of work
[12:10] <Nexinarus> you think?
[12:11] <gen> he thinks
[12:11] <Nexinarus> works for me,
[12:11] <Nexinarus> and looks decent
[12:11] <deception_uk> heya'll
[12:11] <melazyboy> looks excelent.
[12:11] <melazyboy> but it sucks in functionality and feedback
[12:11] <Nexinarus> functions fine here,
[12:11] <melazyboy> fails quitly, lacks options, you can browse network to add printers you have to know the name of printer share etc.
[12:12] <mouu> no idea?
[12:12] <melazyboy> you can't browse*
[12:12] <Gwildor> mouu, its not in the repo?
[12:12] <Nexinarus> heh i see, ive only tested file sending
[12:12] <Nexinarus> who needs printers :p
[12:13] <mouu> Gwildor I don't find it
[12:13] <melazyboy> Nexinarus: i would normally agree with you 100%, but pda broke and i need to get my contacts onto paper =/
[12:13] <Gwildor> mouu, 1 sec
[12:13] <melazyboy> anyway im out
[12:13] <mouu> Gwildor ok
[12:14] <Nexinarus> Just copy the doc over the lan and then print on the other pc,
[12:15] <Gwildor> mouu, i dont see it wither....what do you need it for?
[12:15] <mouu> Gwildor I need it for xfree server
[12:15] <Niriven> Whats so good about ubuntu? I use debian
[12:16] <gen> uhh
[12:16] <Gwildor> mouu, hmm, maybe its on the CD.....i have the removed ftom source.list
[12:16] <crimsun> Niriven: ever wanted a stable, current gnome 2.8-based desktop that actually works?
[12:16] <Gwildor> Niriven, what he said
[12:16] <crimsun> Niriven: maybe a 6-month release cycle containing current stable packages instead of just packages that have been time-tested to be stable?
[12:17] <Niriven> crimsun: Hmm, it seems like gnome 2.8 works fine for me in debian unstable
[12:17] <Niriven> does it have xorg?
[12:17] <ACID|net> ok, ive read the FAQ and it doesnt include it, but ive installed ubuntu under vmware and to install vmware tools it wants me to exit XFree86 - and just wondering how u actually do that....
[12:17] <crimsun> Niriven: or perhaps you're looking for security updates for an extended period for the stable distribution?
[12:17] <crimsun> Niriven: and yes, it has since early November.
[12:17] <Kamion> Niriven: in the development branch, yes; not in the stable release
[12:17] <Gwildor> Niriven, , hoary does
[12:17] <birme> anyone had trouble detecting the cdrom during install? (warty). Log says something like this: hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } ?
[12:17] <crimsun> pardon, thanks for Scott's clarification.
[12:18] <Kamion> Scott?
[12:18] <crimsun> sorry
[12:18] <crimsun> brain's a bit haywire :P
[12:18] <Kamion> confusion with Keybuk I suspect :)
[12:18] <Niriven> So its better then debian in many ways, even if a relitive good user with debian? (In terms of i know what im doing)
[12:18] <crimsun> Kamion: yep. Sorry 'bout that.
[12:19] <crimsun> Niriven: it's a bit unfair to compare Debian to Ubuntu in such a manner. Their goals, at least in terms of a supported desktop environment, are different.
[12:19] <Niriven> It keeps saying all this stuff will be installed by default, can i do a minimil install?
[12:20] <Nexinarus> heh i dont think i will get my winmodem to work soon, every network config tool crashes when i configure things for my modem
[12:20] <Niriven> nex: A NIC?
[12:20] <melazyboy> network interface card
[12:20] <Niriven> nex: You could try the ndis wrapper
[12:21] <gen> he said modem, as in dialup?
[12:21] <Nexinarus> its a lucent win modem, dialup
[12:22] <gen> just buy an old external hardware modem
[12:22] <Nexinarus> yeah that would be good maybe 4 years ago. Need to progress to broadband some time heh
[12:23] <gen> yeah i've had broadband for 6 years
[12:23] <Niriven> Whats hoary?
[12:23] <Nexinarus> i want to lan the house up, at the moment ive just got a switch over the lounge hooked to my sisters pc with dialup :p
[12:23] <gen> next release of ubuntu
[12:23] <crimsun> Niriven: the next stable release of Ubuntu
[12:23] <gen> niriven
[12:24] <Niriven> Is there also a comparable unstable?
[12:24] <crimsun> it currently _is_ the development branch, comparable to testing/unstable
[12:24] <gen> you can use unstable hoary now niriven
[12:24] <Niriven> Well testing is differnt from unstable
[12:24] <Niriven> Oh well :-0
[12:24] <Niriven> Sorry for all the questiosn
[12:25] <crimsun> Niriven: only in terms of policy and timeframe. The packages, however, filter from the latter to the former (using your order)
[12:26] <Niriven> So hoary has all the latest software, xorg, gnome 2.8, etc, correct?
[12:26] <crimsun> yes
[12:26] <Amaranth> is it possible to completely unset an environmental variable?
[12:26] <Niriven> Thanks :)
[12:26] <gen> warty has gnome 2.8 also
[12:26] <mroth> warty has gnome 2.8, hoary is in 2.9 betas now
[12:26] <Amaranth> i set LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT to 1 to test something and i can't get rid of it
[12:26] <Amaranth> setting it to 0 doesn't change it
[12:26] <crimsun> Amaranth: where did you set it?
[12:26] <Niriven> Oh
[12:26] <Amaranth> well, it changes the value
[12:27] <Amaranth> crimsun: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 from a gnome-terminal window
[12:27] <crimsun> then just unset it
[12:27] <Amaranth> ah, unset
[12:27] <Amaranth> i couldn't remember the command
[12:27] <mirak> hi
[12:27] <gen> hi mirak
[12:28] <mirak> anyone uses often qtparted ?
[12:28] <mirak> it's scares me
[12:28] <mirak> the device numbers are not the same than in fdisk or parted
[12:28] <Niriven> Crimsun: Hmm so hoary would be a bad idea, considering it has beta software :(
[12:29] <verden01> are there any sources.list for Debian x86_64
[12:29] <crimsun> Niriven: as opposed to Sid, which does as well?
[12:30] <zenwhen> mirak, qt parted is fairly trustworthy in my experiences.
[12:30] <zenwhen> Ive used it to resize partitions and such.
[12:30] <Niriven> crimsun: Sid only has gnome 2.8, i believe
[12:30] <Niriven> crimsun: experimental has gnome 2.9
[12:31] <stevecarter> Hi. In the prerequisites for compiling ndiswrapper, it says that '/lib/modules/<version>/build' should be a link to the kernel that I am running.  The file 'build' is not present, and I do not know how to make it or where the kernel source is. Can someone help please?
[12:31] <flam> zenwhen: is parted trustworthy then?
[12:32] <noam> no need to compile, ndiswrapper is in the "main" package group
[12:32] <flam> stevecarter: the kernelsource should be in /usr/src/linux-2.x.x
[12:32] <mroth> so is anyone going to conference?
[12:32] <flam> build is a link to that directory
[12:32] <noam> just type "sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper"
[12:32] <crimsun> Niriven: I find Hoary to be quite stable.
[12:33] <Niriven> Crimsun: Alright, last question, does unbuntu have a graphical frontend to apt?
[12:33] <crimsun> Niriven: Synaptic
[12:33] <noam> synaptic
[12:33] <ACID|net> yep
[12:33] <ACID|net> its cool
[12:33] <stevecarter> flam: I do not have a folder or file linux-2.x.x in the /usr/src directory
[12:33] <noam> it can be found in computer>system settings
[12:33] <flam> stevecarter: is /usr/src empty?
[12:34] <usual> is this human icon theme in hoary a ubuntu work? or is it something else
[12:34] <stevecarter> noam: I've been down this route several times and ndiswrapper is not present
[12:34] <flam> stevecarter: the kernelsource is available in apt-sources.
[12:34] <Nivlem> Kamion: It should be ok to use the defaults parameter for rc-update.d? I don't really see a need to start it at a specific runlevel?
[12:34] <flam> stevecarter: ndiswrapper needs the kernelsource to build..
[12:34] <verden01> does anyone have a sources.list for Debian x86_64?
[12:35] <stevecarter> flam: No, it has two folders /modules and /rpm
[12:35] <noam> it is not on the cd, only on the servers (you can ty downloading the package from another computer)
[12:35] <flam> stevecarter: download the kernelpackage
[12:36] <stevecarter> flam:where from and how. The reason I want the ndiswrapper is to install my wireless LAN card o that I can download things :-(
[12:37] <flam> stevecarter: use synaptic
[12:38] <noam> flam: he doesn't have internet, he can use the debian package search engine on another computer and the transfer neede packages on a diskette, but i don't think debian has the right kernel-source
[12:38] <stevecarter> flam: ok - synaptic open - now what?
[12:38] <spacey`ki> What is the recommended way to run 32bit programs in ubuntu-amd64
[12:38] <spacey`ki> ?
[12:39] <flam> i assume you use the default kernel.. which is 2.6.8.1
[12:39] <flam> try search for 2.6.8.1
[12:40] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me
[12:40] <mouu> ?
[12:40] <stevecarter> flam: There are several references to 2.6.8.1 after the search
[12:41] <flam> linux-source-2.6.8.1
[12:42] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me..
[12:42] <stevecarter> flam: linux-headers, linux-image, linux-restricted-modules but no linux-source
[12:42] <flam> isn't there a linux-source?
[12:42] <stevecarter> flam: not in the list of packages - no.
[12:42] <flam> try to use universe in your sources list then
[12:43] <flam> i've got to go, sorry :/
[12:43] <stevecarter> flam: universe already in use.
[12:44] <flam> i get the linux-source on search.. hm
[12:47] <fredix> where i can ask an hoary package for some software ?
[12:48] <tvon|x31> what?
[12:49] <fredix> i would like "revelation" and "multisync" on hoary
[12:51] <fredix> revelation is very important for me, and the debian package is too buggy
[12:52] <Nivlem> Kamion: It does not run on reboot...says permission denied? I did it all from a root console
[12:58] <Nivlem> I used skeleton to create a file I want to run at startup, it is named startvnc.on boot I see it saying permission denied anyone help?
[12:59] <farruinn> I've installed another window manager (blackbox), made a file in /usr/share/xsessions because one wasn't created by default, restarted gdm, but it doesn't show up in the list of sessions at the gdm login screen
[12:59] <farruinn> Do I have to register the file I've added with gdm somehow?
[01:00] <JStrike> fredix : Are there Ubuntu packages for them?
[01:01] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me..
[01:02] <fredix> JStrike: precisely not
[01:03] <farruinn> anyone added their own xsessions with ubuntu?
[01:03] <JStrike> fredix : Well, then creating and maintaining the packages would be a good start. It will show that there is somone commited to maintaining it
[01:04] <billytwowilly> is there something screwy with the unrar utility in linux? I have this rar file full of mp3s and empty directories.. the files should be in the supposedly empty directories..
[01:04] <fredix> JStrike: ok, i'll try it
[01:05] <crimsun> farruinn: you followed the syntax of similar .desktop files, correct?
[01:05] <farruinn> crimsun, actually I noticed that I had written exec /usr/bin/blackbox as opposed to exec=
[01:06] <farruinn> also, do I need to append my filename with .desktop?
[01:06] <crimsun> I would, yes.
[01:06] <crimsun> seeing how all the others do
[01:06] <farruinn> ok
[01:07] <caro> hey
[01:07] <caro> i have a problem when installing libtool
[01:08] <caro> synaptic tells me "No C compiler found, please install one.
[01:08] <caro> dpkg: erreur de traitement de libtool (--configure):
[01:08] <caro> "
[01:08] <caro> (french message)
[01:08] <caro> but i *have* a c compiler already installed
[01:08] <caro> does someone see what is the problem ?
[01:09] <FunnyLookinHat> try running apt-get update
[01:09] <crimsun> caro: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:09] <FunnyLookinHat> that too
[01:10] <mouu> guys I have amd64 and I can't use server x with nvida kernel, can somebody help me..
[01:10] <caro> ok
[01:10] <caro> it has installed gcc 3.3.4
[01:11] <FunnyLookinHat> caro: Try again.
[01:11] <caro> whereas i've already installed gcc 3.4.3
[01:11] <FunnyLookinHat> oh weird.
[01:11] <Q-FUNK> it probably needs the meta-package called "gcc"
[01:12] <Q-FUNK> if you install gcc-3.4, I'd guess that libtool things you have no compiler, because it's looking for a dependency called 'gcc'
[01:13] <Q-FUNK> 'gcc' itself porbably depends upon 'gcc-3.3'
[01:14] <caro> well, when installing gcc 3.4.3, no gcc symbolic link is created
[01:14] <caro> so, the problem seems to be this fact, yes
[01:14] <bob2> if you're building anything, install build-essential
[01:15] <farruinn> hm, changing my syntax and filename for my xsession file didn't work
[01:21] <hypegt> anyone here found a wireless network roaming utility that works nicely with ubuntu?
[01:21] <eyal> Hi
[01:22] <eyal> I deleted the .bashrc file from my home/user folder
[01:22] <eyal> what can i do to bring it back ?
[01:22] <paulproteus> You can get the default one.
[01:22] <sval> eyal check if you have a .bashrc~
[01:22] <paulproteus> It's in /etc/skel/
[01:23] <paulproteus> /etc/skel/ stores the "skeleton" home directory, which is used each time you create a new user to populate that user's $HOME.
[01:23] <Nivlem> Man this is driving me crazy...I am now getting a message at boot that it can't find xauth in the path..yet it is in the skeleton file copy I made before creating the symlinks with update-rc.d WTF?
[01:24] <eyal> 10x !
[01:25] <Nivlem> I am looking right at the file and it has /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth...so why wouldn't it be able to know it is in the path use by the set -e above?
[01:25] <paulproteus> eyal: ?
[01:25] <eyal> what ?
[01:26] <paulproteus> What is "10x" about?
[01:26] <paulproteus> Nivlem: What can't find xauth on boot?
[01:26] <sval> paulproteus  10x = thx
[01:27] <eyal> u gave me an answer so i thanked u :)
[01:27] <Nivlem> paulproteus: I used /etc/init.d/skeleton to create a new file named startvnc...I added the path in the file..but on boot it fails to execute /usr/bin/tightvncserver since it complains it can't find the path...
[01:27] <Nivlem> to xauth that is
[01:28] <Nivlem> paulproteus: I used defaults for update-rc.d could that be why? It is S20 right now..
[01:28] <eyal> does anyone have good beginners lessons to ubuntu link ??
[01:31] <will> hi just re-installed ubuntu, gone back to warty. How do i get the nautilus file manager to display the directory tree?
[01:31] <JStrike> will : right click folder -> browse
[01:32] <farruinn> will, if you like the browse view you can set always open in browse view to on in the preferences under the behavior tab
[01:33] <thenuke> arrgh. does someone know about badblocks?  badblocks -v -w /dev/hda gives me huge amount of badblocks but when I add  -p num_passes option, it does not find any bad blocks at all
[01:34] <will> thanks guys! always wondered about that. its a bit illogical
[01:37] <grif2010> hi guys! can i use programs from debian repositories in my ubuntu?
[01:37] <stuNNed> back to stable :D
[01:37] <Gwildor> grif2010, if you really want to, it is possible, but not recomended
[01:38] <ChEEzE__> im having some installer issues with the amd-64 version.... base installation fails with a message similar to cannot find foo in //release
[01:38] <eyal> guys how do i learn Ubuntu ?
[01:38] <stuNNed> you guys know breakmyubuntu site on the wiki has firefox 1.0 backported to warty
[01:39] <paulproteus> eyal: Ah, I see.  You're welcome.
[01:39] <grif2010> Gwildor: i need libpng 1.2....and ubuntu reps have older version :( so...
[01:39] <eyal> k
[01:39] <farruinn> eyal, I don't know of an "Ubuntu Manual" or something like "Ubuntu For Dummies" (not calling you a dummy =)
[01:39] <eyal> well im trying to understand it
[01:39] <farruinn> it's a young distro, so general documents like that don't really exist yet afaik
[01:40] <farruinn> I would suggest looking at the wiki if you aren't already
[01:40] <paulproteus> farruinn: It's a polished Debian.
[01:40] <paulproteus> So, the UNIX system administration guides that Debian provides are topical.
[01:40] <farruinn> I was just about to say that as well =)
[01:40] <paulproteus> If you want to understand the desktop components, the best idea is to:
[01:40] <paulproteus> 1. Pick a program.
[01:40] <intinig> I have a library I wish to install whose deb packages do not exist, how can I create a deb package from the sources?
[01:41] <paulproteus> 2. Either go to its website, or (2a) find out what package it is in and (2b) go to /usr/share/doc/packagename and (2c) read around.
[01:41] <paulproteus> intinig: Look up checkinstall.
[01:41] <intinig> thx
[01:42] <farruinn> does sudo debian/rules build ; sudo debian/rules package-name from the source directory usually do it?
[01:42] <ChEEzE__> any1 got a clue about my amd-64 hangup ?
[01:43] <eyal> im trying to add hebrew to the openoffice, i added everything i could find in the package manager that contains in its discriptio the words "hebrew" and "openoffice"
[01:43] <Gwildor> grif2010, go for it, just dont complain if it breaks :)
[01:44] <grif2010> Gwildor: ok..thanx! :)
[01:44] <Gwildor> grif2010, np :)
[01:44] <paulproteus> eyal: Add Hebrew to the language tools, or make Hebrew the primary language?
[01:44] <lek> jew
[01:44] <Quest-Master> XD
[01:45] <SuperQ> hrm
[01:45] <SuperQ> any ubuntu developers around?
[01:45] <eyal> i just want to be able to write hebrew in the openoffice
[01:45] <will> whats the best audio recorder in yur experience?
[01:46] <SuperQ> will: audacity
[01:46] <srbaker> hey everyone
[01:46] <paulproteus> eyal: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/12-2003/7679.html
[01:46] <srbaker> the Netgear WG511 Just Works.
[01:46] <srbaker> out of the box with warty.
[01:47] <paulproteus> eyal: Tell me if that helps you.
[01:47] <paulproteus> If it does, write about that on the Wiki.
[01:47] <hypegt> srbaker: prism54 chipset
[01:47] <SuperQ> will: it's in universe
[01:47] <srbaker> hypegt, yes.  and they're on sale at Staples :)
[01:47] <eyal> ok 10x im checkin it now
[01:47] <srbaker> $49.95 CDN
[01:47] <will> SuperQ:ta found it :)
[01:47] <hypegt> yep, they were on sale last month at bestbuy
[01:48] <SuperQ> will: good deal..
[01:48] <SuperQ> anyone  tried using a USB external box with a CD burner?
[01:48] <hypegt> srbaker: winxp drivers off windows update are fubar'd tho, never would work with my xp-pro boot
[01:52] <hydralysk> hi
[01:52] <hydralysk> hola
[01:54] <srbaker> hypegt, then don't use windows
[01:54] <SuperQ> hydralysk: ahoy!
[01:54] <SuperQ> Gwildor: ahoy!
[01:54] <hypegt> srbaker: i dont anymore, might be part of the reason they're on sale tho
[01:55] <Gwildor> SuperQ, huh?
[01:55] <SuperQ> Gwildor: ahoy!
[01:56] <Gwildor> SuperQ, hi?
[01:56] <SuperQ> :)
[01:58] <SuperQ> Q-FUNK: hei
[01:58] <SuperQ> hrm
[01:58] <SuperQ> damn.. no one knows anything about USB external burners
[01:59] <Gwildor> SuperQ, what is the problem?
[01:59] <SuperQ> Gwildor: it detects the USB/IDE box, but not the drive attached to it
[01:59] <SuperQ> Gwildor: so it looks like a SCSI block device
[02:00] <SuperQ> heh..
[02:00] <paulproteus> SuperQ: Perhaps you should insert the 'sg' module, for "SCSI Generic" support, into the kernel.
[02:00] <farruinn> wasn't there a way to see if your cd's have been shipped on shipit?
[02:00] <paulproteus> Then you should get /dev/sg0 for it.
[02:00] <paulproteus> And then cdrecord -scanbus should show it.
[02:00] <SuperQ> paulproteus: i think i tried that
[02:01] <SuperQ> but it doesn't load it as sr0
[02:01] <SuperQ> so it's impossible to run as CD rom functions
[02:01] <SuperQ> and I think cdrecord still wants to see the sr0 device
[02:01] <paulproteus> SuperQ: Beats me, then, I'm sorry to say.
[02:01] <SuperQ> yea
[02:01] <SuperQ> i'll keep poking
[02:01] <SuperQ> there's got to be a way to fix this
[02:02] <SuperQ> caues it worked fine with Sarge and 2.6.8.1 right before I loaded ubuntu
[02:02] <scoon> SuperQ, what kind of drive is it ?
[02:02] <SuperQ> it's a LiteOn DVD+-RW drive
[02:02] <SuperQ> i've tested it with Fedora Core1-3 and gentoo
[02:02] <SuperQ> all work fine
[02:02] <scoon> SuperQ, do you have any other usb things working
[02:02] <SuperQ> ubuntu is the only one with issues so far
[02:02] <scoon> SuperQ, the live gentoo cd ?
[02:02] <SuperQ> scoon: yea.. usb keychain works fine
[02:03] <SuperQ> scoon: no.. gentoo on a friends laptop
[02:03] <SuperQ> scoon: I had Sarge on this laptop (TP X31) previous to ubuntu
[02:03] <scoon> SuperQ, and fedora ? are those yours
[02:03] <SuperQ> scoon: and it worked
[02:03] <SuperQ> Fedora is on my TP T21
[02:03] <hypegt> is there a way within ubuntu to setup roaming wireless acess on a laptop? I roam between 3 wifi networks and booting takes forever when the network profile isn't the right one
[02:03] <scoon> plug it in and compare what drivers it is using
[02:04] <SuperQ> hypegt: that's a general linux problem with wifi control
[02:04] <SuperQ> hypegt: there isn't much you can do to fix it
[02:04] <paulproteus> hypegt: You can disable the interface by default.
[02:04] <SuperQ> hypegt: if you manualy edit /etc/network/interfaces, you can specify the settings you want
[02:04] <FirE-dRaGoN> hypegt: add universe to sources.list and then: sudo apt-get install netapplet
[02:04] <scoon> SuperQ, my guess is that you are not loading all of the modules that it needs.
[02:05] <SuperQ> scoon: well.. it's hotplug's job to load the modules
[02:05] <SuperQ> scoon: both used usb_storage afaik
[02:05] <FirE-dRaGoN> hypegt: This will install a applet you can use to switch networks on the fly
[02:05] <SuperQ> i'm not infront of the box right now
[02:05] <paulproteus> Or, on bootup, you can press Ctrl-C to stop the DHCP client.
[02:05] <scoon> SuperQ, so quit now and don't bother looking into it then
[02:05] <SuperQ> :P
[02:05] <hypegt> cool, thanks for the input everyone
[02:05] <SuperQ> well.. my only guess is it's udev related
[02:05] <scoon> SuperQ, compare lspci on both machines and then grep kernel config files.
[02:05] <theine> Anybody else getting segfaults at system halt?
[02:06] <SuperQ> scoon: yea.. i'll have to dig into it more
[02:06] <SuperQ> scoon: i was just hoping someone had a ubuntu box with an USB burner
[02:06] <bob2> theine: from umount?
[02:06] <scoon> SuperQ, you mean the easy way ?
[02:06] <paulproteus> FirE-dRaGoN: I don't see netapplet in my universe.
[02:06] <scoon> :)
[02:06] <SuperQ> scoon: :)
[02:06] <theine> bob2: exactly
[02:07] <bob2> theine: known bug, it's in the bts
[02:07] <scoon> SuperQ, sorry man, i fought an ide dvdburner for a while.  it won and I got another one.
[02:07] <bob2> don't think anyone knows what's causing it yet tho
[02:07] <theine> bob2: any workarounds?
[02:07] <SuperQ> scoon: the anoying part was.. I was burning dvd's with Sarge before i installed ubuntu
[02:07] <SuperQ> oh well
[02:07] <bob2> theine: don't think so
[02:07] <SuperQ> i'll have to poke at it later
[02:08] <bob2> it is a weird one...I'm seeing it on boot on ppc and others are seeing it on resume on i386
[02:08] <theine> bob2: and are there any news with the empty /proc directory issue?
[02:08] <bob2> theine: seems to be related but I aoin't heard anything yet
[02:09] <theine> bob2: good to hear that those two might be resolved in one go
[02:19] <farruinn> join #saxophone
[02:19] <farruinn> baaah
[02:22] <Earthe1> what file do i need to edit to fix the auto mount for the floppy
[02:26] <Earthe1> can some one help with the auto mount for the floppy drive
[02:27] <linux_galore> /etc/fstab
[02:27] <linux_galore> Earthe1: is the floppy hanging
[02:27] <Earthe1> thank you
[02:28] <spacemind> hi there
[02:28] <Earthe1> no it just give me error unknows file system
[02:28] <Earthe1> unknown
[02:28] <spacemind> does ubunctu worka in mu pda ipaq 3850 ?
[02:28] <spacemind> ubuntu ..
[02:28] <SuperQ> spacemind: yes
[02:29] <spacemind> ehehe
[02:29] <spacemind> can anyone help me to install it ?
[02:29] <linux_galore> Earthe1: have you tried manually mounting the floppy
[02:29] <spacemind> i have opie installed, but i cant install apps :( and i like apt-get :)
[02:30] <Earthe1> yes it give me the same error
[02:30] <srbaker> yaye
[02:30] <Earthe1> floppy is f32 file system?
[02:30] <linux_galore> Earthe1: use the mount command
[02:31] <linux_galore> Earthe1: ie  mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[02:32] <linux_galore> does ubuntu use /mnt/floppy of the debbian /floppy option
[02:32] <alka_trash> anyone in here using an AMD 64 chipset?
[02:32] <Earthe1> I did it before but can't remember the commands
[02:32] <linux_galore> I havent got a floppy on this machine
[02:32] <Earthe1> I have one
[02:32] <alka_trash> Earthe1: how is it with Ubuntu?
[02:32] <Earthe1> AMD 64 3500+
[02:32] <linux_galore> Earthe1:   mount  -t  vfat   /dev/fd0   /mnt/floppy
[02:33] <Nivlem> clear
[02:33] <Earthe1> don't know
[02:33] <alka_trash> oh
[02:33] <Earthe1> I have fedora core 2 on it right now
[02:33] <linux_galore> alka_trash: were does Ubuntu mount the floppy drive in the file system
[02:33] <alka_trash> really!, how is that running?
[02:33] <Earthe1> but i am thinkinf of putting ubuntu on it
[02:33] <Nivlem> I get connected to my vnc connection...but it never displays the remote desktop...just the X window with the "X" for the mouse cursor..
[02:33] <alka_trash> ummm
[02:34] <alka_trash> linux_galore: let me take a look
[02:34] <Earthe1> linux_galore what is the file system for the floppt
[02:34] <linux_galore> alka_trash:  debian does /floppy but these days most distro's use /mnt/floppy
[02:34] <Earthe1> floppy
[02:34] <alka_trash> Earthe1: all you have to do is look in your fstab
[02:34] <alka_trash> mine says
[02:35] <linux_galore> Earthe1: varies  floppies can have a few file systems
[02:35] <MobyTurbo> ubuntu uses /media/floppy
[02:35] <linux_galore> MobyTurbo: thanks
[02:35] <alka_trash> "/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0"
[02:35] <Earthe1> if it were a windows formatted floppy
[02:35] <Earthe1> yes i need to change the auto
[02:35] <alka_trash> so it's "/media/floppy0"
[02:35] <linux_galore> I dont have a floppy so Im not sure were it mounts with Ubuntu
[02:36] <MobyTurbo> for windows floppies skip the mounting and use mtools. "mcopy foo a:"
[02:36] <linux_galore> I use USb drives these days
[02:36] <billytwowilly> Quick question: will hoary do dual boot installs properly? warty messes up on some machines my student's group is using to test distros for our next installfest
[02:36] <alka_trash> Earthe1: did this help?
[02:37] <alka_trash> if you type "nano /etc/fstab" it will print out your mount points
[02:37] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, Hoary is not in real good shape atm
[02:37] <linux_galore> alka_trash: no that just shows whats in the fstab file
[02:37] <Earthe1> it allready said that
[02:38] <linux_galore> alka_trash: you can have mount points not listed in the fstab file
[02:38] <Earthe1> I changed it on another computer today changed it from auto to something else but i can't remember
[02:38] <MobyTurbo> fstab is just for reducing typing while mounting or for automounting.
[02:39] <MobyTurbo> if there's an error in your fstab it won't help.
[02:39] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, don't say that;) I'm running it;)
[02:39] <rattboi> billytwowilly, I got Hoary + XP right now
[02:39] <alka_trash> ahh
[02:39] <Earthe1> I just need to know what to put ther to make it see windows formatted floppies
[02:39] <billytwowilly> rattboi, How did the install go though? On a couple of our test machines warty just flaked right out.
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> Earthe1, windows format is type vfat
[02:40] <linux_galore> Earthe1: nothing it should automatically detect them
[02:40] <rattboi> billytwowilly: the install was fine
[02:40] <SuperQ> can you dist-upgrade from warty to horay?
[02:40] <Earthe1> yes it should but it doesn't
[02:40] <restrex_> :)
[02:40] <alka_trash> vfat and sometimes auto works too
[02:40] <Earthe1> it works fine in the live cd
[02:40] <linux_galore> Earthe1: well put auto back
[02:40] <billytwowilly> SuperQ, I did that.
[02:40] <rattboi> I was running warty to start with, then used apt-get to upgrade to hoary
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> Earthe1, again, I reccomend using mtools; it's a lot easier and you can skipp all of that mounting/mountpoints jazz.
[02:40] <MobyTurbo> skip
[02:40] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, I ran Hoary for 2 hours then went back to Warty :D
[02:40] <rattboi> it screwed up my grub menu.lst, but that's an easy fix
[02:41] <SuperQ> k
[02:41] <Earthe1> thank you vfat worked
[02:41] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, I've been running it since half an hour after I installed warty about a month ago now.
[02:41] <SuperQ> i think i'll wait on horay for a while :)
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> n
[02:41] <MobyTurbo> np
[02:41] <Earthe1> it not auto mounts
[02:41] <Earthe1> now
[02:41] <alka_trash> hoary seems to work okay for me
[02:41] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, sweet
[02:41] <linux_galore> Earthe1: already told you how to mount it with vfat
[02:41] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, It's been rock solid, but I need to see the hoary installer to truly decide if I want to use it for my student group's installfest
[02:42] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, my cdburner decided Warty is the way to go for me :D
[02:42] <Earthe1> lol all that for a stupid floppy disk lol
[02:42] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, that's fine. That's what warty is for. I like to be cutting edge;) warty is on my house server
[02:42] <alka_trash> billytwowilly: I hears ya, my friend that are trying linux out, recommend that they don't upgrade to hoary yet
[02:42] <rattboi> billytwowilly: did you find a hoary iso?
[02:42] <linux_galore> Earthe1:   mount  -t  vfat   /dev/fd0   /media/floppy
[02:42] <billytwowilly> rattboi, I didn't see a hoary iso no.
[02:42] <Earthe1> it didn't work
[02:43] <rattboi> I just upgraded warty
[02:43] <MobyTurbo> Earthe1, what did you do to test if it worked?
[02:43] <Earthe1> I didn't have the floppt mount point created
[02:43] <linux_galore> Earthe1: I changed the last part
[02:43] <Earthe1> the auto mount works now
[02:44] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, I like Warty cause there isn't dozens of application upgrades every week :)
[02:44] <udssr> my microphone soesnt work
[02:44] <Earthe1> thanks Linux_galore
[02:45] <udssr> does anybody know, how to get mics working?
[02:45] <Earthe1> I'm a newbi so you have the bare with me :P
[02:45] <linux_galore> udssr: usually adjust the volume on the sound server
[02:45] <billytwowilly> LinuxJones, I like hoary because there are dozens of applications upgrades every week;)
[02:45] <MobyTurbo> udssr, check to see if your sound mixer has it muted or low.
[02:46] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, haha
[02:46] <rattboi> hey, where is the x.org config files?
[02:46] <linux_galore> /mer means sound mixer sorry
[02:46] <udssr> thats, what i thought...i pulled everything up and still nothing comes
[02:46] <MobyTurbo> udssr, mute isn't activated? If it is it doesn't matter what the volume level is.
[02:47] <udssr> no
[02:47] <linux_galore> rattboi:  /etc/X11/
[02:47] <rattboi> linux_galore: I looked in there, and it just looks like Xfree86 stuff
[02:48] <linux_galore> rattboi: XF86Config file doesnt exist anymore or if it does is a link to xorg.conf
[02:48] <MobyTurbo> udssr, the next thing I'd do, assuming the mixer is fine, is check cables.
[02:48] <rattboi> linux_galore: there is no xorg.conf in there :(
[02:49] <linux_galore> rattboi: then you not running x.org
[02:49] <rattboi> that's strange
[02:49] <gloin_> hey
[02:49] <rattboi> I have xorg-common installed
[02:49] <gloin_> I'm trying to install dvdrip but it complains that transcode is needed but not installable
[02:49] <linux_galore> rattboi: might be Xorg.org
[02:49] <gloin_> I just installed transcode from source
[02:49] <gloin_> how do I force the install on dvdrip?
[02:49] <linux_galore> rattboi: might be Xorg.conf oops
[02:50] <rattboi> I checked that too
[02:50] <MobyTurbo> in all the distros I've used it's xorg.conf, all lowers.
[02:50] <rattboi> looks like xorg-xserver isnt installed
[02:50] <gloin_> ...
[02:50] <LinuxJones> gloin_, I have the same problem :(
[02:50] <rattboi> xserver-xorg
[02:50] <gloin_> is there a --force option for apt-get?
[02:50] <linux_galore> rattboi: type X -version
[02:50] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, install x-window-system-core and it will pull in all the important bits.
[02:51] <restrex_> ubuntu rocks :)
[02:51] <restrex_> hehe :P
[02:52] <linux_galore> I like the clean setup for Ubuntu..device side still needs a bit more work but Im fine with it so far
[02:52] <gloin_> I do want to figure out how to get past the falsely-broken dependency on this
[02:52] <LinuxJones> gloin_, Last I checked Ubuntu wanted to install a version of transcode that hadn't even been released by the transcode team :(
[02:52] <gloin_> lol
[02:52] <rattboi> MobyTurbo, I'm already installing xserver-xorg
[02:52] <gloin_> well
[02:52] <gloin_> I have transcode
[02:52] <gloin_> so
[02:52] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, if it's packaged like xfree you need more than that.
[02:52] <LinuxJones> gloin_, the correct version ?
[02:52] <gloin_> I just need to find the textfile that stores the wrong info for the dvdrip package
[02:53] <linux_galore> rattboi: x.org isnt a single package
[02:53] <rattboi> I'll see if x-window-system-core is installed after
[02:53] <gloin_> LinuxJones: I have the current version
[02:53] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, a normal system is both a client and a server.
[02:53] <gloin_> and I'm willing to try a force-install
[02:53] <gloin_> but don't know how
[02:53] <gloin_> so
[02:53] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, plus there's fonts and certain libraries.
[02:53] <rattboi> MobyTurbo: I already had xorg-common
[02:53] <rattboi> ok, well I have to wait for it to finish
[02:53] <gloin_> where are the info files on packages stored?
[02:53] <LinuxJones> gloin_, try to install dvdrip again and check the version number it requires against the version that you installed.
[02:54] <rattboi> MobyTurbo, I'm using synaptic to install the packages
[02:54] <rattboi> x-window-system-core is installed
[02:54] <rattboi> aka, it's got the black square next to it
[02:54] <linux_galore> gloin_: apt keeps its own database
[02:54] <rattboi> but it's also go a star in the black square
[02:54] <rattboi> I'm not sure what the star is for
[02:55] <rattboi> oh, I'm running 4.3
[02:55] <rattboi> and the star means to upgrade
[02:55] <rattboi> I thought that smart upgrade would have caught that
[02:55] <gloin_> linux_galore: that's gotta be a typo
[02:55] <gloin_> in the apt config file
[02:55] <gloin_> lol
[02:55] <linux_galore> gloin_: sorry
[02:56] <linux_galore> gloin_: mind wandering
[02:56] <arzajac> a smart upgrade will not install broken dependancies.
[02:56] <gloin_> what I'm seeing is that it wants transcode "2:0.6.6" but transcode version I have is 0.6.12
[02:56] <gloin_> so someone screwed up an apt file
[02:56] <gloin_> so
[02:57] <gloin_> once again
[02:57] <linux_galore> gloin_: I spend all week dealing with rpm based installs then I get home and play with Ubuntu
[02:57] <gloin_> what do I edit on my own system to fix this?
[02:57] <billytwowilly> linux_galore,  where do you work?
[02:57] <gloin_> or where do I go to download the deb files myself?
[02:57] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  just Nth of Sydney
[02:57] <netsplit> Hehe, your ident is linux_gal ...
[02:57] <rattboi> ok, installing hoary's x-window-system
[02:58] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, no, I mean for redhat, for mandrake, for which rpm based distro? suse?
[02:58] <rattboi> seems the right one
[02:58] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  Manhate
[02:58] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: Debian on the email server
[02:58] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, manhate? mandrake?
[02:58] <gloin_> anyone here know how to take control over a broken apt package on the local system?
[02:58] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: yep
[02:58] <rattboi> ok, now I got xorg.conf
[02:59] <arzajac> gloin_ Download the source packages  There are three files per package
[02:59] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, 10.1 is a pile of crap. I'm a mandrakeclub member and it made me switch to ubuntu... even after signing up again and paying them money....
[02:59] <gloin_> arzajac: where can I download them from?
[02:59] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I shall not say another word about it to you though unless you wish to discuss it.
[02:59] <arzajac> pool
[02:59] <gloin_> for hoary
[03:00] <gloin_> pool?
[03:00] <rattboi> well, let me restart X to see if the update worked
[03:00] <arzajac> Just a minute.  I'll get a url for you...
[03:01] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: Ive got 10.1 working the download version is total crap but I got a hacked up version from a local supplier with new packages
[03:02] <arzajac> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[03:02] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I'm not switching back. ubuntu fits my philosophy more closely and is not a steaming pile of crap...
[03:02] <gloin_> thanks arzajac
[03:02] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  I cant believe mandrake soft released 10.1 Official with a totally unstable version of KDE 3.3 optioned on the 4th CD
[03:03] <LinuxJones> billytwowilly, that quote should be on the Ubuntu website :D
[03:03] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  they kicked me of the irc server I had like 30 bugs
[03:03] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: the mandrake guys
[03:05] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: yeah Ubuntu is more stable....but I cant get the Gnome Desktop to float with the users though
[03:05] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, kicked you off the irc server?
[03:05] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I like KDE more than gnome. if ubuntu switched to KDE I'd be happier.
[03:06] <gloin_> billytwowilly: I'm running KDE on hoary and it works great
[03:06] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: yep said i was disrespectful  Im like... what is "you running" Enligntenment with no icons got to do with Mandrake not working properly and auto mounting stuff and putting an icon on the desktop
[03:06] <billytwowilly> gloin_,  but it's 3.2.3...
[03:07] <JStrike> billytwowilly : Then why do you not use Linspire?
[03:07] <gloin_> billytwowilly: whine...
[03:07] <gloin_> JStrike: I take issue with that
[03:07] <gloin_> =P
[03:07] <arzajac> gloin_:  I can't find the source packages.  WHen you do, you need the dsc and the original tar.gz and a .diff (if there is one)  Download the three and unpack them (dpkg-source -x filename.dsc)
[03:07] <JStrike> billytwowilly : Or all the other KDE based debian based distros
[03:07] <billytwowilly> gloin_, 3.3.4 is coming out soon... still having 3.2.3 as the latest is disgraceful
[03:07] <JStrike> gloin_ : Why?
[03:07] <linux_galore> I like the Ubuntu community your not all self involved your "normal"
[03:07] <gloin_> lol
[03:07] <billytwowilly> JStrike, linspire is a bigger pile of crap than mandrake....
[03:08] <gloin_> I have yet to get an answer to the apt-get problem in #debain
[03:08] <gloin_> that channel's almost as rude as #perl, and that's saying a lot
[03:08] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  kde 3.3 is hopeless for me 3.2.3 works better
[03:08] <JStrike> billytwowilly : Then on of the other KDE based debian based distros
[03:08] <LinuxJones> gloin_, I will agree with you with that statement
[03:08] <arzajac> gloin_: Edit the control file in the debian directory.  The build the package (dpkg-buildpackage)
[03:08] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, I was running 3.3.1 on suse 9.1 and it was sweet
[03:09] <billytwowilly> JStrike, like what? mepis?
[03:09] <linux_galore> ooh like simplymepis..........yeah Ive got simplymepis on my to try list...its like Ubuntu but KDE based
[03:09] <gloin_> crikey
[03:09] <gloin_> I can't find the friggin .deb package
[03:09] <JStrike> Xandros, Lycoris, etc
[03:09] <gloin_> this is for hoary by the way
[03:09] <billytwowilly> mepis appears to be much less supported than ubuntu
[03:09] <billytwowilly> xandros and lycoris are horrible.
[03:10] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: get simplymepis
[03:10] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: Ubuntu is to Debian as simplymepis is to mepis
[03:11] <billytwowilly> and how is mepis compared to debian?
[03:11] <linux_galore> Simply Mepis has been getting soem good reviews I noticed
[03:12] <linux_galore> billytwowilly: simplymepis is a easy to use install very to the point install and has a good selection of open source software and its debian based
[03:12] <linux_galore> but steers the KDE path
[03:12] <billytwowilly> linux_galore, is it synced with debian like ubuntu is every once in a while?
[03:13] <linux_galore> no Im not trolling just yacking i havent tried simply mepis yet
[03:13] <linux_galore> billytwowilly:  dont know
[03:13] <restrex> e :)
[03:14] <linux_galore> noticed Ubuntu got some nice reviews too thats what made me want to try it
[03:15] <linux_galore> sick of cluttered installs
[03:15] <cbpye_> hmm... is glibc available in a .deb somewhere or is it in some repository?  I gotta upgrade mine.
[03:16] <crimsun> libc6
[03:16] <crimsun> and why do you need to upgrade from warty's or hoary's?
[03:16] <cbpye_> doom3
[03:16] <cbpye_> requires 2.2.4 I think.
[03:16] <crimsun> um
[03:16] <cbpye_> I believe the one with warty is 2.1
[03:17] <crimsun> no
[03:17] <Nivlem> Trying to add marillat to synaptic bombs..even though I am following the instructions at ubuntulinux.org...I used unstable since I am using Hoary?
[03:17] <crimsun> it's definitely 2.3.2
[03:17] <cbpye_> oh
[03:17] <cbpye_> well then
[03:17] <cbpye_> I should be in the clear.
[03:17] <cbpye_> wonder why the .run file told me it was 2.1.something
[03:17] <crimsun> you're confusing Debian Woody with Ubuntu Warty
[03:18] <Nivlem> All I need to do is be able to play streamed music with totem-xine, or gmplayer
[03:18] <crimsun> and even then Woody has 2.2.5-11.5
[03:20] <Earthe1> anybody now of a good walk through on how to setup java
[03:20] <Nivlem> Earthel: Yeah read the wiki and ubuntulinux.org
[03:20] <gloin_> my god what a bunch of assholes in #debian
[03:20] <Earthe1> ok
[03:20] <Earthe1> i'll look
[03:20] <Earthe1> thanks
[03:21] <arzajac> gloin_:  just download the sources and modify the control file in the build directory
[03:21] <gloin_> arzajac: thanks - will try
[03:22] <arzajac> gloin_:  It will screw up your system, but...
[03:22] <gloin_> lovely
[03:22] <gloin_> I suppose I could also try filing a bugreport...
[03:23] <cbpye_> W00T
[03:23] <cbpye_> doom3 ran
[03:25] <vigilanty> Hey, anybody know of some good debian ftp sites to browse thru?
[03:26] <arzajac> What do you mean ftp sites?
[03:27] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, just add the universe, multiverse, and marillat repositories to your /etc/apt/sources.list and you'll get access to over 14,000 programs.
[03:28] <arzajac> You can see a great many apt sources at apt-get.org
[03:29] <MobyTurbo> arzajac, it's not a good idea to mix Debian and Ubuntu repositories.
[03:29] <arzajac> Hey, he asked for debian ftp sites...
[03:29] <MobyTurbo> at any rate, most of the apt-get.org stuff is backports for Debian stable.
[03:29] <crimsun> MobyTurbo: correct. It's most certainly not a good idea unless you wear a flame-retardant suit and know what you're doing.
[03:30] <arzajac> I agree,
[03:30] <blahrg> what is a good mail server to run on ubuntu, easy to configure and add users and domains...
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> blahrg, ubuntu includes postfix, which a lot of people say is easy.
[03:31] <blahrg> it includes it or is it a package?
[03:31] <MobyTurbo> blahrg, includes it as part of the base and is installed by default.
[03:32] <blahrg> ok cool, i appreciate it, i have tried everything, i am used to qmail but someone has always got it up and running for me with scripts
[03:32] <blahrg> so i am trying to do it on my own :D
[03:32] <blahrg> thanks for the help
[03:32] <MobyTurbo> np
[03:33] <vigilanty> thanks all...
[03:33] <Pugio> hello Ubuntu
[03:33] <Pugio> I have a question concerning installation
[03:33] <Pugio> I have just installed Ubuntu from the i386 install CD
[03:34] <rattboi> well, looks like xorg is working
[03:34] <Pugio> there were no problems, everything was fine
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, great. :-)
[03:34] <Pugio> now, I want to install Ubuntu on another machine I have that has no CD or Floppy drive
[03:34] <vigilanty> how do i access /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:34] <Pugio> the system does however support network booting
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, with any text editor.
[03:34] <calamari_> anyone familiar with grub?  I'm trying to get it to act like lilo where it doesn't wait around for a menu choice, if I want the menu I need to hold shift down
[03:34] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, or you can do it with synaptic
[03:35] <Pugio> The problem I have is, while I can network the Ubuntu machine with this machine, I can't connect either machine to the internet
[03:35] <rattboi> X -version doesn't really say xorg anywhere big, but it does point you to wiki.x.org for help
[03:35] <Pugio> so... Can I do a netboot install from one machine to the other, without going through the net?
[03:35] <rattboi> calamari, add hiddenmenu
[03:36] <rattboi> and set a low timeout
[03:37] <Pugio> ok, I'll restate this into a single line
[03:37] <vigilanty> yes i use synaptic...
[03:37] <Pugio> Question: How can I perform a netboot install from one Ubuntu machine to a blank machine, without going through the net
[03:37] <rattboi> you mean through the internet, right?
[03:38] <Pugio> right
[03:38] <Pugio> without going through the internet
[03:38] <rattboi> I mean without the internet
[03:38] <Pugio> yes
[03:38] <MobyTurbo> vigilanty, setings > repositories
[03:38] <Pugio> 1 machine has it installed, the other doesn't, I can network both together but I can't connect either to the internet
[03:38] <Pugio> the blank machine does support network booting
[03:39] <calamari_> rattboi: thanks :)  looks like I need to install lilo... esc?  what were they thinking ? hehe
[03:41] <rattboi> anyone know why it takes like 20 seconds before xchat starts connecting to anything?
[03:41] <rattboi> I'm assuming it's trying IPv6 first, but I'm not sure
[03:41] <Pugio> ah well then
[03:41] <Pugio> no Ubuntu for me:(
[03:41] <rattboi> Pugio: sorry, I don't know about netbooting
[03:41] <thoreauputic> rattboi: probably an ident delay
[03:41] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, if it's taking longer than usual it could be your firewall settings blocking ident.
[03:41] <Pugio> Not your problem rattboi:)
[03:42] <Pugio> it's just funny how there's always soooo many people in a chat channel, and soooo fe actual active ones
[03:42] <rattboi> MobyTurbo, thoreauputic: how to fix?
[03:42] <Symbolix> I have a HP computer that I'm trying to install Ubuntu on. I put the CD in, and select it from the boot menu, btu Windows loads instead.
[03:42] <thoreauputic> rattboi: frankly I don't bother - I just wait :)
[03:42] <rattboi> unblock port 113 or whatever?
[03:42] <rattboi> ah
[03:42] <thoreauputic> doesn't take long
[03:42] <rattboi> I guess so...
[03:42] <tommie_> where's the keyboard shortcuts file?
[03:43] <azz> Pugio:  How big is the hard drive on the target computer?
[03:43] <tommie_> for gnome
[03:43] <MobyTurbo> rattboi, I think make it do a RST on 113, I'm not an iptables guru, sorry.
[03:44] <Pugio> Symbolix
[03:44] <rattboi> hmm, well, you know more than I, since I don't know wtf you'r talking about :P
[03:44] <rattboi> I'll just leave it for now
[03:44] <Symbolix> So how am I to install Ubuntu w/out the CD
[03:44] <Pugio> do you have your bios set to boot from CD first?
[03:44] <Symbolix> Pugio: Yes
[03:45] <Pugio> azz: Not sure of the size, at least 5gb but probably a lot more (if that helps)
[03:45] <azz> Pugio:  Would you be able to do a knoppix-type poor man's install where you dd the iso image onto the hard drive and then boot it?
[03:45] <Symbolix> Pugio: I read about downloading Debian install floppy images, but when I tried sending them to a freshly formatted floppy the floppy was not big enough
[03:45] <azz> Is there an OS in this computer now?
[03:46] <Pugio> azz: that may work,
[03:46] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, you don't copy the file, you dd or rawrite it.
[03:46] <Pugio> azz: well, thats the problem, what's on there now is a half broken version of Win 98
[03:46] <Pugio> azz: I'm not quite sure how to go about doing that form of install from a Win 98 machine
[03:47] <azz> Can it access your other machine?
[03:47] <Pugio> azz: Well, I haven't checked yet, but let
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Pugio: sounds like you need the rawrite program for your floppies, unless you can dd them in linux
[03:47] <Symbolix> MobyTurbo: Uhhh what?
[03:47] <Pugio> azz: ...but let's assume taht it can
[03:48] <Pugio> thoreauputic: for my floppies? I said, it has no floppy drive (or CD drive)
[03:48] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, they are raw floppy images. You use rawrite or dd to record them to a floppy.
[03:48] <azz> I gotta go... Do a google search on knopix "poor man's install"  Sorry...
[03:48] <Pugio> azz: no problem
[03:48] <Symbolix> MobyTurbo: Ok, never heard of rawrite or dd
[03:48] <thoreauputic> Pugio: ah , sorry, I was confusing you with someone else :)
[03:49] <Symbolix> Moby: Googled it, I got it now
[03:49] <thoreauputic> Symbolix: rawrite is quite easy to use
[03:49] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, you'll need rawrite for DOS, if you have Linux or another Unix you'd use dd.
[03:50] <rattboi> ok, there's just a few more things I'd like to set up
[03:50] <Symbolix> Ok, I found the Win32 version. So Ill just convert the imgs and pop in the floppys to install.
[03:50] <rattboi> how many people could browse their smb shares "out of the box"?
[03:51] <MobyTurbo> Symbolix, it reads the image and writes it to floppy. No converting is done.
[03:52] <rattboi> if I access the shares directly, aka smb://ben/D_DRIVE it will work
[03:52] <rattboi> but smb://ben doesn't show any shares
[03:52] <rattboi> and when it does work, it's really slow
[03:53] <bur[n] er> smb:/ben
[03:53] <bur[n] er> ?
[03:53] <bur[n] er> is that a windows box? or linux box with smb shares?
[03:53] <rattboi> windows
[03:53] <bur[n] er> do smb:/ben/sharename
[03:53] <rattboi> I know that
[03:54] <bur[n] er> for some reason, nautilus doesn't do well on top level
[03:54] <bur[n] er> oh right
[03:54] <bur[n] er> i didn't read that ;)
[03:54] <bur[n] er> i have the same issue
[03:54] <rattboi> most of the time it works ok, but it's way slow
[03:54] <bur[n] er> it's what keeps me in kde
[03:54] <bur[n] er> that and amarok/juk of course
[03:54] <rattboi> I don't konw what amarok is
[03:54] <bur[n] er> (stupid rhythmbox and it's lack of duplicate removing)
[03:55] <rattboi> but I like the gnome interface a lot, I really wish this worked
[03:55] <bur[n] er> amarok == mp3 player
[03:55] <bur[n] er> gnoem is prettier and more responsive to me
[03:55] <bur[n] er> but the apps aren't there
[03:55] <rattboi> gay gay gya
[03:55] <bur[n] er> hrm... ok
[03:55] <rattboi> not you
[03:55] <rattboi> lol
[03:56] <rattboi> not that it's a bad thing
[03:56] <MobyTurbo> gnome has a lot of good applications, if you count gtk.
[03:56] <bur[n] er> i know, i have a gf
[03:56] <rattboi> hey, me too
[03:56] <rattboi> sweet
[03:56] <bur[n] er> i do count gtk
[03:56] <bur[n] er> i just want rhythmbox and nautilus to be better
[03:56] <bur[n] er> and a cd burner of course
[03:56] <MobyTurbo> use xmms. :-)
[03:57] <MobyTurbo> I use cdrecord directly, though k3b is nice.
[03:57] <rattboi> if I want to access smb shares in xmms, I need to mount them somewhere, huh?
[03:57] <bur[n] er> beep is better than xmms for me... but not as functional as juk or amarok
[03:57] <bur[n] er> rattboi: yes
[03:58] <JStrike> Nah. XMMS is a crap. Muine is the answer
[03:58] <bur[n] er> muine is decent, but where's id3 tag editing in it
[03:58] <JStrike> Especially with the burning patch
[03:59] <JStrike> When GStreamer supports it, it will come
[03:59] <JStrike> Same as rhythmbox
[03:59] <MobyTurbo> !start an mp3 player war
[03:59] <MobyTurbo> oops, I thought this was #debian. ;->
[03:59] <Quest-Master> !start a what is the best midi player war
[04:00] <bur[n] er> JStrike: i know
[04:00] <bur[n] er> rhythmbox would be my answer
[04:00] <freemymind> hi everyone
[04:01] <bur[n] er> but... id3 tag editing and duplicates are a pain
[04:01] <bur[n] er> hi freemymind
[04:01] <freemymind> how is everyone?
[04:01] <Quest-Master> Rhythmbox acts retarded on my computer
[04:01] <bur[n] er> frustrated
[04:01] <rattboi> I'm ok
[04:01] <freemymind> hehe same here :P
[04:02] <bur[n] er> rhytmbox doesn't have an easy way to just scan a dir for mp3s
[04:02] <freemymind> whats wrong with XMMS?
[04:02] <freemymind> ahh
[04:02] <bur[n] er> too basic
[04:02] <Amaranth> rhythmbox doesn't work for me with hoary
[04:02] <bur[n] er> and beep-media-player is better than xmms
[04:02] <Amaranth> says "Pad problem. File a bug."
[04:02] <freemymind> well I am total ubuntu n00b..just installed today..must say it rocks so far
[04:03] <freemymind> just trying to get gallery and phpbb2 up and running
[04:03] <Amaranth> i think those are available as packages
[04:03] <freemymind> yeagh
[04:04] <freemymind> I am sorta used to them...came from a working gentoo install with them...but some of the setings are confusing me I supose
[04:21] <farruinn> can xmms play aac files?
[04:22] <Gmail> does ubuntu build php 5 with mysql enabled?
[04:23] <LinuxJones> Gmail, I can't imagine it not :D
[04:24] <tommie_> is there a file where I can define my own keyboard shortcuts in gnome?
[04:24] <farruinn> tommie_ have you seen Computer>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts?
[04:24] <LinuxJones> farruinn, yes but you need to download something like RealPlayer
[04:25] <tommie_> farruinn: yes, but no way to set my "Media" key, I want it to load xmms
[04:25] <Gmail> LinuxJones: because the php package now has it disabled and not included
[04:26] <umarmung> tommie_, use gconf-editor, you can set the shortcuts under /apps/metacity
[04:27] <tommie_> umarmung: thanks, i'll look into it
[04:29] <Eno-Master> I have ordered some for myself and friends, and am using the download now.
[04:32] <Amaranth> PHP identifies itself as "PHP/4.3.9-1ubuntu1" when running with Apache!
[04:33] <SirBastard> I'm not sure how the numbers are generated, but can someone check the default x-y sizing for Firefox on a 1280x1024 monitor, and make it shorter so I don't have to move the panel to the right of the screen to get to the bottom for resize :-p
[04:37] <Eno-Master> My problems is that I can't print from OpenOffice 1.1.2.  The test page is beautiful, but can't print anything else.
[04:40] <Eno-Master> That one put everyone to sleep.
[04:41] <SirBastard> No
[04:41] <SirBastard> Believe it or not
[04:41] <SirBastard> They were already asleep
[04:42] <SirBastard> I'd help, but I don't have a printer installed myself to test with
[04:42] <SirBastard> What happens if you fire up the OO Printer Administrator?
[04:42] <freemymind> no printer setup on linux here yet eather
[04:42] <freemymind> sorry
[04:43] <Eno-Master> I am wondering if uninstalling OOo 1.1.2 and installing OOo 1.1.4 RC1 could fix it?
[04:43] <SirBastard> Depends on what the problem with the printer is..
[04:44] <SirBastard> I suppose I should grab my brothers printer and plug it in.. But that involves moving it, and finding cables :-p
[04:44] <Q-FUNK> am I the only one to whom gnome is complaining that it cannot find /dev/pmu ?
[04:45] <Eno-Master> If I knew what was wrong and how to troubleshoot it, then I would.
[04:45] <Eno-Master> Yes
[04:45] <LinuxJones> Eno-Master, >> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2384.html
[04:47] <Amaranth> wtf is /dev/pmu?
[04:47] <|QuaD|> hey, i am looking for a system that I can remotely put up calendar/contacts/etc and i can view it remotely, kindalike groupware, but i want it to integrate with a pim (evolution, thunderbird/sunbird) any suggestions?
[04:48] <Amaranth> oh, its a mac thing
[04:48] <Symbolix> I am using a floppy to install Ubuntu, and it says there is a mismatch between the installer and the archive. Im guessing I need to dl different images? What versions?
[04:48] <Amaranth> Q-FUNK: What are the permissions for /dev/pmu?
[04:48] <Amaranth> Does it exist?
[04:48] <Q-FUNK> Amaranth: it exists, but only when I don't run udev.
[04:48] <Amaranth> Q-FUNK: Ok, I'm lost. I don't even know what udev is. :P
[04:49] <rattboi> ok, I got samba to mount my smb share on another computer
[04:49] <rattboi> now the question is how to do it on startup?
[04:49] <Symbolix> So basically, what version of Debian is the Ubuntu distribution cd compatible with?
[04:50] <Amaranth> Symbolix: None,
[04:50] <Symbolix> Then im lost
[04:50] <farruinn> Symbolix, well it's based off unstable
[04:50] <farruinn> if that's what you mean
[04:50] <Amaranth> farruinn: Not really.
[04:51] <Symbolix> It doesnt matter. What to I need to do in order to get the installation to read the kernels off the cd?
[04:53] <Symbolix> Download another version of the floppy images?
[04:54] <SirBastard> rattboi: You need to make an entry in /etc/fstab for it. Careful how you do it tho. One way put's your password in that file which is world readable I think.. You should be able to store the password in a seperate text file
[04:56] <Amaranth> Symbolix: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[04:58] <Symbolix> thx
[05:00] <freemymind> sorry for n00b question anyone have a link to setup phpbb2 and or gallery ...still searching myself but any help would be greatly appriciated
[05:03] <jmiux> Hello everyone! Do you know if in the live CD, there is a way to save the configuration as in knoppix so ubuntu can load all my preferencces at star up from hd?
[05:05] <freemymind> sorry I dont know
[05:06] <calamari> hi
[05:06] <jmiux> hello
[05:07] <calamari> I'm trying to install lilo, but grub doesn't seem to want to let go.  For some reason my system still boots with grub even after lilo -v.  Anyone successfully gotten rid of grub?
[05:08] <jmiux> How can I play MP# in ubuntu???
[05:08] <EugeneK> I'm trying to get suspend to ram working (Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop/Hoary). I downloaded the ACPI scripts at <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto>, and I can successfully suspend with a lid close, although it yells at me about "orinoco_lock". When I wake up, though, I just get a blank screen. Do I need to unload some modules before suspending?
[05:08] <jmiux> sorry, MP3, jeje
[05:09] <calamari> jmiux: beep-media-player
[05:09] <calamari> or xmms
[05:10] <rattboi> is adding a samba share to my fstab gonna work?
[05:10] <calamari> don't private msg please
[05:10] <jmiux> ok, no problem
[05:11] <EugeneK> jmiux: try installing gstreamer0.8-mad (MP3 support isn't installed out of the box in ubuntu, for ideological reasons)
[05:11] <calamari> it does not come with ubuntu, no
[05:11] <tommie_> any way to snap windows to corners or other windows in gnome?
[05:11] <nexl> jmiux go there http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[05:11] <nexl> and follow thew instructions. step by steps
[05:11] <jmiux> ok, thanx
[05:11] <rattboi> I guess I'll just have to reboot to find out...
[05:13] <nexl> jmiux this might interest you also: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=3713
[05:14] <Eno-Master> Linuxjones, thanks, I'll try to play with that later.  Exit Stage Left.
[05:15] <tommie_> oh i see, with the shift key :)
[05:19] <nameles> Hello... this is my first time here... I just installed Ubuntu today.... it is stet at the highetst resolution 1600x1200 by default. I can sent it down to a lower resolution but the next time I reboot it's back to 1600x1200 again. How do I make my setting stick?
[05:20] <SirBastard> nameles: How are you changing the resolution down?
[05:20] <nameles> Syetsem Configuration -> Screen resolution
[05:21] <Gmail> ok i have a friend he wants stupid xpde installed on ubuntu
[05:21] <SirBastard> nameles: Ticked the box marked Make default for this computer?
[05:22] <Gmail> anyone know where i can find a .deb ?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> Gmail: surely you jest?
[05:22] <SirBastard> nameles: I've not done any of this by the way, just exploring and asking the obvious..
[05:22] <nameles> Yes, I did tick the box.
[05:23] <Gmail> thoreauputic: jest?!?
[05:23] <seraph> anyone on hoary and knows how to disable autohinting ?
[05:23] <seraph> I am losing my mind over these crappy fonts
[05:24] <SirBastard> nameles: Hmm..
[05:24] <sls> soooo.... who is the samba expert?
[05:24] <SirBastard> nameles: Just discovered I only have an option of 60hz.. Silly thing
[05:24] <SirBastard> sls : Ask, and I may answer
[05:24] <sls> I mounted a smb file system using mount -t smbfs...
[05:25] <sls> cool it worked..
[05:25] <sls> but permissions are not ok
[05:25] <thoreauputic> Gmail: dict jest:  Usage: To {Jest}, {Joke}. One jests in order to make others
[05:25] <thoreauputic>             laugh; one jokes to please himself.
[05:25] <nameles> At 1280X1024 I get 75hz but it is different for eah resolution
[05:25] <sls> from a windows machine it is ok... and through gnome
[05:26] <sls> not via the mount command thugh
[05:26] <wasabi_> Has anybody had any luck with Ubuntu printing?
[05:26] <sls> dear SirBastard... have you a cue?
[05:26] <wasabi_> I add a Windows printer, and NOTHING happens.
[05:26] <wasabi_> No icon appears.
[05:26] <sls> clue
[05:26] <SirBastard> sls : What does just typing mount tell you about the mounted filesystem?
[05:28] <EugeneK> I'm trying to get suspend to ram working (Dell Inspiron 8200 laptop/Hoary). I downloaded the ACPI scripts at <http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SuspendHowto>, and I can successfully suspend with a lid close, although it yells at me about "orinoco_lock". When I wake up, though, I just get a blank screen. Do I need to unload some modules before suspending?
[05:28] <sls> "//isis/stephans /home/stephan/home-on-isis type smbfs (rw)"
[05:28] <stuNNed> EugeneK, disable agp
[05:29] <EugeneK> stunned: how?
[05:29] <bur[n] er> anyone using gparted?
[05:29] <SirBastard> sls: Hmm, well that seems to think the filesystem is mounted read/write.. When you say the permissions are bad, give an example?
[05:30] <sls> for example: I can not access one of my own folders...
[05:30] <sls> it is restricted (770)
[05:30] <SirBastard> sls : Yes, but do you get a permission denied? Or?
[05:30] <sls> groups stephans:stephans
[05:30] <sls> yes -- permission denied
[05:31] <freemymind> anyone have any quick hints/links for phpmyadmin, phpbb2 or gallery setup links? ...Im still looking /strugling with those
[05:31] <sls> if I ss to my server is see my name in the user and group field...
[05:31] <stuNNed> EugeneK, install nvidia drivers then in device section of your x config put Option "NvAGP" "0" also you can blacklist the modules
[05:31] <sls> on the share however is only see the user id (500)
[05:32] <SirBastard> sls : And yet it works from windows you say?
[05:32] <sls> yes
[05:32] <SirBastard> sls : How are you mounting it? What's the mount command you use?
[05:32] <nexl> sls what is your UDI on the server and on your ubuntu?
[05:33] <nexl> sls UID and GID
[05:33] <SirBastard> nexl : If he mounted using a username and password, that shouldn't matter, that would only matter if this was NFS..
[05:33] <sls> mouont -t smbfs -o username=stephans //isis/stephans ~/home-on-isis
[05:33] <sls> nexl: 500 500
[05:33] <sls> insteand of mu name
[05:33] <sls> my
[05:34] <nexl> SirBastard KI know but I have the EXACT same problem hwere
[05:34] <hypegt> anyone know how to reset perl locales? getting errors after upgrading to hoary
[05:34] <SirBastard> sls : Just try explicitly stating read/write, make it -o username=stephens,rw
[05:35] <sls> ok
[05:36] <SirBastard> The mount command seems to suggest that that's the case already, but it can't hurt..
[05:36] <nexl> SirBastard good idea
[05:36] <SirBastard> nexl: Cool, well, with a bit of luck we'll fix yours too :-p
[05:36] <EugeneK> stunned: so...I sould put intel_agp & agpgart into /etc/hotplug/blacklist? Sorry for newbie-ish q's
[05:37] <nexl> SirBastard I mount my samba share via fstab and since using ubuntu I've lost access to my directories
[05:37] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i am not joking he really wants xpde but i just pointed him to gnome.org/learn maybe he will stay with gnome know
[05:37] <Gmail> *now
[05:38] <SirBastard> nexl : Mind pasting your fstab entry? Blat out any passwords in there
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Gmail: yes, well I can't imagine any Debian based distro making xpde available as packages :)
[05:38] <Gmail> thoreauputic: me nether i am asking if anyone knows where to find one
[05:39] <nexl> SirBastard //mother/homes /home/greg/MOTHER/greg/ smbfs credentials=/home/greg/.smbcredentials,uid=greg,gid=greg 0 0
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Gmail: there are XP ish themes floating around...
[05:39] <sls> ok i am going to dosapear for a few moments... i hve to re log in...
[05:39] <grif2010> hi guys! i have downloaded some .mov files but all my players play it without sound and xine says: wine/module: Unsupported QuickTime version (0x6693c3e0). Is there something i can do to make it work?
[05:39] <nexl> sls ok
[05:39] <stuNNed> EugeneK, what i did was blacklist them both, is there a third? , installed nvidia's propriatary drivers, then added that line to x config file, agp didn't get loaded and can suspend and wake on 8200
[05:39] <sls> I thught that UID's could have been the issue and changed mine to match the sesrver
[05:39] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i know but he doesn't know howto use gnome
[05:40] <Gmail> he think if he hits computer while download his download will stuff up
[05:40] <nexl> SirBastard I've tried using the UID and GID on the server instaed of names but to no avail
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Gmail: hey, it won't kill him to learn *grin*
[05:40] <Gmail> he is so use to winbloze that he think linux sucks as much
[05:40] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i told him that
[05:41] <SirBastard> nexl : Cool, just trying to mount my FreeBSD server here at the moment.. Will let you know how it goes
[05:41] <EugeneK> stunned: ahh...I see. If that works -- cool. You'll be my new best friend :)
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Gmail: well if he thinks Linux sucks why is he interested in it at all?
[05:41] <EugeneK> This has been driving me crazy for the better part of a week...
[05:42] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i told him i can save him $200 + $500 (for office) and get hundreds more apps
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Gmail: hehe... show him some screenshots !
[05:43] <grif2010> i have downloaded some .mov files but all my players play it without sound and xine says: wine/module: Unsupported QuickTime version (0x6693c3e0). Is there something i can do to make it work?
[05:43] <hypegt> Anyone here upgraded to hoary? got a weird error midupdate
[05:43] <Gmail> thoreauputic: i need a good theme for him any links for some?
[05:44] <thoreauputic> Gmail: well, look at art.gnome.org perhaps - I run Fluxbox ... :)
[05:45] <SirBastard> nexl: Ok... That's entertaining.. I don't seem to have samba.. I would have thought that was a default...
[05:45] <SirBastard> Hmm
[05:45] <Gmail> thoreauputic: .deb ?
[05:46] <nexl> SirBastard, HaHa!
[05:46] <SirBastard> Something is odd here
[05:46] <|icu|> Whenever I open a specific text file in gedit it instantly crashes giving failing an assertion with pango and is_font. It is a text file with no special characters just a bit of xml with one very long line.
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Gmail: themes aren't really debs, usually. Do an apt-cache search gtk-engines and gnome-themes-extras I'd say
[05:46] <|icu|> Ideas?
[05:47] <|QuaD|> how come ubuntu repos don't have Nvu on it?
[05:47] <Xenguy> |icu|: try another editor?
[05:47] <|icu|> i can open it in nano
[05:47] <Gmail> |QuaD|: because you didn't make a .deb for it
[05:47] <|QuaD|> haha
[05:48] <Xenguy> |icu|: guess the problem is a bug in gedit; file a bug report?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> |icu|: if you have universe enabled, try apt-cache search scite for a nice little GUI editor :)
[05:50] <nexl> SirBastard, it is very annoying
[05:50] <SirBastard> nexl: Yeah, something is rather odd about this
[05:51] <nexl> SirBastard, whats more from Nautilus I don't see my home on the server
[05:52] <nexl> I can type the url directly ,it pops a username + password
[05:53] <nexl> SirBastard, which i fill out
[05:53] <nexl> and it dies there
[05:55] <SirBastard> nexl: If you go to standard share and login, then browse again, does it show up?
[05:55] <nexl> but the fstab mount is there, directories whit strict permission 700 cannot be browsed
[05:55] <SirBastard> Fun
[05:56] <SirBastard> I'm a sysadmin by trade, I don't use this desktop stuff ;-)
[05:56] <nexl> SirBastard, what do you mean standard --> smbmount?
[05:57] <SirBastard> nexl: Sorry, I mean if you go to a visible share, and login to that, if you browse again, does your home become visible?
[05:58] <nexl> SirBastard, no
[05:58] <[BTM] gee> is there anyone that knows about a program thats like acdsee ? so that you can use photoslide ?
[05:59] <nexl> SirBastard the samba server setup is simple; a /home/common directory for the household
[05:59] <nexl> and each users gets an exclusive /home/username space
[06:00] <SirBastard> nexl : Ahh
[06:00] <thoreauputic> [BTM] gee: I don't know acdsee - is it a picture viewer with a slideshow function? If so check out gqview
[06:00] <[BTM] gee> tnx thoreauputic
[06:00] <nexl> SirBastard, _nothing has changed, on the server side, libranet and before knoppix were quite happy with this setup
[06:01] <nexl> SirBastard, In fact i saved the libranet fstab and copied/pasted the smb stuff into ubuntu fstab
[06:04] <Dekkard> /j #mac
[06:04] <SirBastard> nexl : Hmm, well I can browse my samba shares from Nautilus OK, but can't do it from the command line..
[06:05] <nexl> SirBastard did you just cd into them or did you typed smbclient ....
[06:06] <nexl> SirBastard, Ah this is interresting... ALL of my directories on the server are seen as belonging to my gf
[06:06] <SirBastard> Oops
[06:06] <SirBastard> That won't help
[06:07] <nexl> SirBastard, hang on one sec
[06:08] <redeyes> howdy pardners
[06:08] <nexl> SirBastard, the UID and GID are not in sync
[06:08] <redeyes> i was wondering if i could get a little help with a Dlink 520+ wifi card
[06:08] <redeyes> acx100 drivers supposedly
[06:09] <nexl> SirBastard, on the server side : grep josee /etc/passwd
[06:09] <redeyes> anyways mine dosent seem to detect and get the card working
[06:09] <nexl> josee:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/josee:/bin/bash
[06:09] <SirBastard> nexl: And you have them forced in your mount command... Can you try removing those UID and GID entries? You shouldn't need them..
[06:09] <nexl> on  the client (ubuntu) grep greg /etc/passwd
[06:10] <nexl> greg:x:1000:1000:greg,,,:/home/greg:/bin/bash
[06:10] <redeyes> if i modprobe acx100, module is not found
[06:10] <redeyes> not sure what to do next
[06:11] <nexl> SirBastard, I;ll try that out in the morning thanks and goodnight
[06:11] <SirBastard> No probs
[06:11] <SirBastard> Night
[06:13] <redeyes> can anyone help with the acx100 driver problem i am having?
[06:15] <redeyes> well guess ill format and go on to another distro
[06:19] <Karthik085> My Screen resolution is set to 640*480 for my 1024*768 laptop. What do I have to change in XF86Config-4?
[06:20] <redeyes> forget it
[06:20] <redeyes> worthless channel
[06:20] <netsplit> Karthik085: open up your config file and look for 640 and add 1024 768 there ...
[06:22] <Vigilanty> anybody know anything aboout ezquake?
[06:22] <Vigilanty> i need help getting it to work on my pc...
[06:31] <Vigilanty> how would I have synaptic package manager see a repository on my harddrive?
[06:32] <bronson_> Vigilanty: what are you trying to do?
[06:32] <bronson_> If it's on your hard drive, why not just run "dpkg -i"?
[06:36] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[06:37] <lev> Hey, can anyone help me with my sound on my laptop?
[06:38] <|QuaD|> how do i check what packages i have installed?
[06:38] <sls> ok i am back...
[06:39] <lev> COmputer , system configuration, syntapic package manager
[06:39] <housetier> |QuaD| dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[06:39] <housetier> but synaptics is the better choice
[06:39] <lev> synaptic*
[06:39] <bcaesar> How do I change my clock to localtime, it seems to consistently default to UTC?
[06:39] <|QuaD|> iwanted to know using dpkg thanks :)
[06:39] <lev> Can anyone help me with my sound on my laptop?
[06:39] <|QuaD|> how can i remove all packages that were installed with evolution?
[06:39] <|QuaD|> other then doing them seperately
[06:40] <lev> :(
[06:40] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[06:40] <lev> can anyone help me?
[06:45] <lev> Can someone please help me with sound?
[06:54] <crimsun> lev: what sound chipset?
[06:54] <lev> i have a Dell inspiron 8600
[06:55] <lev> um... its intergrated
[06:55] <Karthik085> What do I have to modify in Config file to change 640*480 to 1024*768 for my Screen Resolution?
[06:56] <lev> AC'97 Audio COntroller
[06:58] <SirBastard> Karthik085: Can't just use the control panel?
[06:59] <crimsun> lev: intel sound chipset, possibly? I need one line from lspci -v
[07:00] <lev> what line
[07:00] <lev> yea it is intel
[07:01] <netsplit> Karthik085: dpkg -reconfigure xserver xfree86 <- that doesn't look quite right.
[07:02] <netsplit> dpkg-reconfigure is one word.
[07:02] <crimsun> lev: so are you using snd-intel8x0?
[07:02] <crimsun> lev: make sure _snd-intel8x0m_ is _not_ loaded
[07:03] <lev> i dont know what that is..
[07:04] <lev> how do imake sure>
[07:05] <|QuaD|> is sunbird in our repos?
[07:06] <farruinn> |QuaD|, apt-cache search sunbird will tell you
[07:10] <Syberius> hi there, I am having a problem getting my oracom mp3 player to work in ubuntu, i need the stroage access for my college work
[07:11] <Syberius> i have looked into device settings and it is registered as being there, I just dont know how to get access to it or even mount it
[07:13] <crimsun> lev: lsmod|grep snd_intel8x0m
[07:13] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[07:15] <lev> isnd_intel8x0m          18632  0
[07:15] <lev> snd_ac97_codec         59268  2 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0
[07:15] <lev> snd_pcm                85540  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm_oss
[07:15] <lev> snd_page_alloc         11144  3 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[07:15] <lev> snd                    50660  10 snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device
[07:17] <mbb> looking for a wifi scanner and connection manager - suggestions?
[07:18] <JConnell> mbb: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=332
[07:20] <mbb> JConnell: thanks, will check that out. do you know offhand if it works with atheros wifi cards, (ath0)?
[07:21] <Syberius> does SCSI support come configured with ubuntu or does it have to be added by the user?
[07:21] <lev> i know this is kind of a dumb question, but java script works in ubuntu right?
[07:21] <JConnell> mbb: Yep, I'm using one with it right now :)
[07:21] <crimsun> lev: you mean in moz-firefox? sure.
[07:21] <crimsun> lev: and yes, there's your problem: snd-intel8x0m is loaded.
[07:21] <lev> well i have had many problems with the output of my HTML in moilla...
[07:21] <lev> mostly colors.
[07:21] <lev> so how do i get rid of it?
[07:21] <mbb> JConnell: OK! thanks.
[07:21] <crimsun> lev: you need to reboot, and disable the printer port and the modem in bios.
[07:22] <lev> Okay thank you very much!
[07:22] <crimsun> lev: additionally, you need to blacklist snd-intel8x0m so it's not loaded.
[07:22] <crimsun> lev: after that, sound will magically work.
[07:22] <ogra> mako ?
[07:22] <lev> Thanks!
[07:33] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:33] <sls> anyone?
[07:33] <sls> Buler?
[07:33] <sls> who
[07:33] <mbb> JConnell: I'm back... the site hosting wifi_radar-1.1.tar.gz is not up - do you have the .gz handy??
[07:33] <Vigilanty> how do i mount a fat32 file system using ubuntu?
[07:34] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:35] <sls> munt -t vfat ...
[07:35] <sls> mount... i mean...
[07:36] <Vigilanty> how do i figure out what dev it is?
[07:37] <sls> "/dev/hd(ide#)(partition#)"
[07:37] <Syberius> do fdisk -l
[07:37] <Syberius> it will tell you what partitions/drives are under what /dev/
[07:37] <sls> so in most cases... "dev/hda1"
[07:37] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:38] <Vigilanty> how do i list my dev/hda's?
[07:38] <sls> c: = "dev/hda1"
[07:38] <sls> d: = "dev/hda2"
[07:38] <sls> etc..
[07:39] <blahrg> ok i am trying to find an easy to install/use email server. any help, or just some help with postfix?
[07:39] <sls> i suck at post fix...
[07:39] <sls> how do I make it so that every one can mount remote file systems?
[07:40] <farruinn> sls why did you repeat yourself?
[07:41] <sls> farruinn: because no one answered... so i tought that i'd ask again...
[07:43] <Syberius> no one got any ideas on how to get an mp3 player to show?
[07:43] <Syberius> as in USB
[07:48] <Vigilanty> i still can't mount it...
[07:48] <Vigilanty> i know it's hda 4, 5, or 6...
[07:48] <Vigilanty> but none of em work...
[07:49] <MobyTurbo> Vigilanty, # fdisk -l
[07:49] <Vigilanty> hunh?
[07:49] <MobyTurbo> Vigilanty, fdisk -l displays your partition table.
[07:49] <Vigilanty> i see...
[07:49] <Vigilanty> now how to mount hda5
[07:49] <Vigilanty> ?
[07:50] <MobyTurbo> I missed your earlier messages, so I don't know what type of filesystem the correct partition has.
[07:51] <Vigilanty> fat32
[07:51] <Vigilanty> i type mount -type vfat /dev/hda5...
[07:51] <Vigilanty> but it doesn't seem to work...
[07:51] <MobyTurbo> no, don't put it as -type. Put it as -t
[07:52] <Vigilanty> i meant -t...
[07:52] <Vigilanty> i do that already.
[07:52] <MobyTurbo> does the mount point (which you didn't mention) exist?
[07:52] <Vigilanty> yes...
[07:53] <MobyTurbo> what error do you get?
[07:53] <Vigilanty> fdisk -l shows me that...
[07:53] <Vigilanty> i get this...
[07:54] <MobyTurbo> Vigilanty, please don't flood the channel
[07:54] <ogra> mako: ping ...
[07:54] <Vigilanty> wait...
[07:54] <Vigilanty> i think i got it.
[07:54] <Agrajag> Vigilanty: You seem obsessed with ellipses, yet you don't know how to use them.
[07:54] <Vigilanty> forgot the destination mount point...
[07:55] <Vigilanty> habitual.
[07:56] <ChibiFS> Shineyspoon
[08:02] <Gmail> after a reboot hoary looks even yummer
[08:04] <|QuaD|> anyone here use sunbird or nvu?
[08:09] <farruinn> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-20.3307060179/
[08:09] <farruinn> that's for installing nvu
[08:10] <|QuaD|> i read that... i am suprised we don't have it on a repo
[08:10] <farruinn> it doesn't look to me as though sunbird is in warty though
[08:10] <|QuaD|> not in hoary either
[08:11] <farruinn> :-/
[08:11] <|QuaD|> still time
[08:12] <farruinn> if not hoary then grumpy
[08:12] <farruinn> I haven't used sunbird, but judging from mozilla's site it's still in a rather early stage of development
[08:12] <|QuaD|> there is still time for hoary though
[08:12] <|QuaD|> 1.0 is about to be released
[08:13] <farruinn> well I've never used it, I'm just going by what mozilla says on its own site
[08:17] <g0d> does anyone know how to fix this:
[08:17] <g0d> root@ubuntu:/home/g0d # firestarter
[08:17] <g0d> (firestarter:32236): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[08:17] <farruinn> are you opening firestarter from a terminal in gnome?
[08:17] <K-otiK> yea
[08:17] <farruinn> or one of the virtual terminals?
[08:18] <K-otiK> no virtual terminal
[08:18] <K-otiK> terminal at my computer
[08:18] <K-otiK> it happens with most GUI's
[08:19] <farruinn> firestarter obviously has to be started as root, but does $ foo do this too?
[08:19] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otik: try (as a regular user - instead of root) gksudo firestarter
[08:19] <gnurt> have a snapshot iso for ubuntu?
[08:20] <K-otiK> still happens as a regular user
[08:20] <K-otiK> it happens with gedit and ethereal
[08:20] <K-otiK> and it says critical when i try to open xmms
[08:21] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otik: if the display is owned by g0d, then g0d has to run all the apps in it....  it looks like you are trying to be root first then loading the app.
[08:22] <Rattboi> does anyone know if the playlist font size in beep media player is part of the skin or a seperate setting?
[08:22] <Todd_MA_1975>  K-otik: if you just open a normal terminal and type gedit do you still get the error?
[08:22] <K-otiK> yes
[08:23] <K-otiK> how do i tell if my display variable is correct?
[08:23] <K-otiK> i guess if it works/.... but how do i fix that?
[08:24] <Rattboi> nevermind, found it in the users guide
[08:24] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otiK: echo $DISPLAY
[08:24] <Todd_MA_1975> K-otiK: should be :0.0
[08:24] <K-otiK> there was nothing shown
[08:24] <K-otiK> just skipped a line, but nothing
[08:26] <Todd_MA_1975>  K-otiK: export DISPLAY=:0.0
[08:33] <freemymind> sorry to bug you all, anyone have tome to help me with phpbb2 install? phpmyadmin is working and I am going over and over instrutcions..but cant seem to get it
[08:33] <freemymind> *time
[08:46] <lev> ok i have a question
[08:47] <lev> about flash... can you do flash on ubuntu?
[08:47] <farruinn> are you using ppc?
[08:47] <farruinn> or x86
[08:47] <lev> who?
[08:47] <lev> me?
[08:48] <farruinn> yeah =)
[08:48] <lev> oh.. haha
[08:48] <farruinn> there is no flash for ppc afaik
[08:48] <lev> um.. x86?
[08:48] <lev> i supose..
[08:48] <lev> yea.
[08:48] <lev> x86
[08:48] <lev> :)
[08:49] <calamari> hi
[08:49] <calamari> do joysticks work in linux?
[08:49] <lev> depends
[08:49] <farruinn> honestly I think your best bet is to download flash from macromedia's website
[08:49] <lev> not flash player.. like to actual do flash
[08:49] <lev> lol
[08:50] <farruinn> oooooh, I think there's a project for that, but I dont think you'll find it in any of the Ubuntu repos
[08:50] <lev> damn.. :(
[08:50] <lev> :'(
[08:50] <lev> I hate how windows just keeps in its grasp one program at a time..
[08:51] <freemymind> anyone have phpBB2 working?
[08:52] <bob2> it's known to be pretty buggy
[08:52] <bob2> at least fro mthe number of advisories Ive sen
[08:53] <freemymind> would you recomend or is there a alternative?
[08:53] <bob2> all forum software has seemed dodgy ime
[08:54] <bob2> mailing list would be my actual suggestion :)
[08:54] <lev> Hey, how do i install flash
[08:55] <lev> i still dont got the hang of it.. :(
[08:55] <ogra> bob2: already in mataro ?
[08:55] <bob2> ogra: nah, just working up the energy to ead to heathrow
[08:55] <Rattboi> anyone know what's unstable in hoary?
[08:55] <bob2> lev: wiki.ubuntu.com/ResitrictedFormats
[08:55] <Rattboi> I'm using it and it seems to be going perfectly
[08:55] <lev> thanks.
[08:55] <bob2> Rattboi: lots of stuff.
[08:55] <bob2> like umount
[08:55] <bob2> and the gnome panel
[08:56] <Rattboi> hmm, actually I think you're right
[08:56] <Rattboi> I screwed gnome by moving a panel to the right too far
[08:56] <Rattboi> :P
[08:56] <ogra> bob2: do you know why mako hasnt uploaded the keys for the keysingning party ? my flight goes off in an hour....still nothing to download.....
[08:56] <Rattboi> and I get some message about umount every time I shut down
[08:56] <Rattboi> something about a seg fault
[08:56] <bob2> yes, umount is segfaulting for a lot of people for some reason
[08:57] <Rattboi> how do I check my shutdown logs?
[08:57] <bob2> and making very weird shit happen
[08:57] <bob2> ogra: hm, I dunno, that's a good point
[08:57] <farruinn> ogra, have fun in Mexico!
[08:57] <Rattboi> what werid shit?
[08:57] <ogra> farruinn: you mean the european mexico ?
[08:57] <ogra> hehe
[08:57] <farruinn> what?
[08:58] <bob2> Rattboi: like preventing /proc being mounted on reboot
[08:58] <farruinn> Huh....
[08:58] <ogra> farruinn: barcelona isnt mexico afaik......but we will see, if my flight is longer than 3hrs i will belive you :)
[08:59] <farruinn> I'll just chalk that one up to the fact that it's 3:00 AM here ;-)
[08:59] <ogra> hehe
[09:01] <bob2> ogra: I'll ask him if I see him
[09:01] <bob2> my mail is screwed atm
[09:01] <ogra> bob2: if there is a printer in mataro i'm fine :) i think i have to go in the next half hour to catch the plane :)
[09:02] <Rattboi> I haven't noticed anything weird on reboot yet
[09:02] <Rattboi> except a partial print of something during hotplug
[09:02] <Rattboi> looked like a network thing
[09:04] <bob2> ogra: hehe, there will be
[09:04] <bob2> and I should off soon, too, so cya there :)
[09:05] <ogra> great ;)
[09:06] <neopark> hello, i have a few quick questions about setting up ubuntu on a power mac w/ 250mhz 256mb ram and 2 1gb scsi drives w/ a scsi cd rom
[09:07] <Rattboi> damn, 250mhz
[09:07] <farruinn> I've got him beat - if only by a bit - at 233
[09:07] <farruinn> what's up neopark?
[09:07] <lev> How do you change the icon for the intial drop down menu?
[09:07] <lev> O can you?
[09:09] <neopark> well i wanna have os 8.5 on it also so i am gonna need a yaboot
[09:09] <neopark> or is there a netboot installer
[09:09] <farruinn> this is an oldworld mac, right?
[09:10] <bob2> old world requires bootX, not yaboot
[09:10] <neopark> oh yeah power mac 7300
[09:10] <fluxy> Hello folkz. I have been having problems with the Ubuntu live cd, my screen goes blank after eveything is loaded. I have a Geforce FX 5200 card. How do I make it run?
[09:10] <bob2> or quik, but be really really careful
[09:10] <bob2> fluxy: try asking on the list
[09:10] <lev> Is there a way to change the icon on the drop down menu?
[09:11] <fluxy> ok thx
[09:11] <farruinn> neopark, check out http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallOnOldWorldMacs
[09:13] <neopark> cool read that and saved it as .txt i guess my main consern is how much disk space does ubuntu take up ?
[09:13] <neopark> cause i only have 2 1gb drives
[09:13] <Rattboi> is smb browsing still broken in nautilus?
[09:14] <farruinn> well you can split your filesystem across the two drives of course
[09:14] <lev> Hey! Is there a way to change the icon of the first drop down menu?
[09:15] <farruinn> lev, you asked that same question only 4 minutes ago...
[09:16] <lev> and no one answered...
[09:16] <lev> :(
[09:16] <lev> so i asked again
[09:16] <lev> i hopes that someone would answer this time.
[09:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> lev: probably
[09:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> sorry
[09:16] <Hrdwr_BoB> the answer is YES
[09:16] <lev> ... how?
[09:16] <lev> Ok.. well how
[09:17] <farruinn> neopark, I think you'll have to do the "advanced" install once you get the installer going so you can select only the most essential packages
[09:17] <farruinn> I haven't done that though, so I don't know how to do it :-/
[09:17] <neopark> cool so i havent used any debain based distros on mac in quite a while, how does this one run? all i am prolly gonna use it for it checking e-mail and irc.
[09:17] <neopark> cool thx farruinn
[09:17] <neopark> i was wondering if i coudl choose the packages or not
[09:18] <farruinn> neopark: I have it on a beige g3 and it runs awesomely - sound and X worked immediately
[09:18] <ogra> ciao guys...
[09:19] <neopark> cool
[09:19] <neopark> that's great
[09:19] <Hrdwr_BoB> lev: I'm not sure tbh
[09:22] <lev> tbh?
[09:22] <calc> its somewhat useful to be able to scan for viruses you get in email ;)
[09:23] <calc> tbh == to be honest
[09:23] <farruinn> calc, viruses on linux?
[09:23] <farruinn> coming in your email?
[09:23] <daniels> Gmail: there are many ways to get help.  and that was not it.
[09:23] <calc> farruinn: in email yes
[09:23] <calc> they don't magically stop getting sent to you in email because you run linux
[09:23] <calc> i usually get ~ 1.5GB/mo
[09:24] <farruinn> ah, I see
[09:24] <calc> of course around 98% of those are from debian.org
[09:24] <farruinn> so you're seriously talking about getting viruses in the mail that could infect your machine?
[09:25] <calc> no i would like to be able to tag them so they can be deleted which is what a virus scanner does...
[09:25] <calc> its in universe so no big deal for me, but i was surprised its not in main
[09:26] <calc> farruinn: the viruses would infect a windows machine yes, i get around 1000-1500 of them a day
[09:26] <calc> due to the fact debian.org doesn't filter viruses itself
[09:27] <farruinn> ok, for a bit I thought you meant you were getting viruses that were malicious to linux
[09:29] <anon> evening everyone
[09:29] <anon> i'm trying to install warty on my laptop without luck so far
[09:29] <Rattboi> evening
[09:29] <anon> the installer hangs with acpi enabled and without it, the laptop overheats and turns itself off
[09:29] <anon> any ideas?
[09:29] <jamaas> can anyone tell me the best place to put/install jdk ?  I don't seem to find it with synaptic but went and got it from Sun, however don
[09:30] <calc> anon: try updating your bios if possible
[09:30] <anon> i know it is not a hardware problem coz freebsd and windows work just fine
[09:30] <jamaas> oooops, don
[09:30] <anon> tried that but still nothing
[09:30] <calc> oh :\
[09:30] <jamaas> don't think I want it in my home directory, any suggesstions?
[09:30] <anon> the laptop is a hp paviallion 4502us
[09:31] <anon> really frustrating coz i know everything else works
[09:31] <farruinn> jamaas, /usr/local
[09:31] <jamaas> farruinn: thanks, will put it there!
[09:31] <farruinn> good place for things not installed by apt because nothing you install with apt will be put there
[09:31] <anon> the only suggestions google has come up with is using fedora
[09:31] <anon> but i'd really prefer to use ubuntu on my laptop and desktop
[09:31] <jamaas> anon: I just joined and run ubuntu on a hp pavillion notebook, what is your problem?
[09:32] <anon> hi jamaas
[09:32] <calc> anon: what did it suggest doing on fedora to make it work?
[09:32] <anon> well first off, the installer hangs with acpi enabled
[09:32] <anon> without acpi the machine overheats and turns itself off
[09:32] <anon> google just said it works out of the box with fedora
[09:32] <calc> on freebsd it has acpi enabled?
[09:33] <anon> calc: yes acpi is enabled with freebsd
[09:33] <calc> sounds like a missing workaround for some bug in the hp dsdt
[09:33] <jamaas> anon: this won't help much but it installed correctly on mine, are you partitioning your disk and putting it on along side MS Win?
[09:34] <anon> i nuked my xp partition but there still is an ntfs partition with some data on it
[09:34] <anon> the ntfs partition was not mounted at start time
[09:34] <calc> if it works on fedora it would be due to them having extra patches or using a newer kernel (unlikely)
[09:34] <anon> thing is i've only made it through the install once
[09:34] <anon> every other time the machine just turned itself off
[09:35] <anon> the laptop randomly turns off on average every 10 minutes with bot the warty install cd and the live cd
[09:35] <jamaas> anon: what is your cpu chip, mine is intel p4 2.8, is yours AMD or something slightly different?
[09:35] <anon> mine is amd 2400xp
[09:35] <anon> running at 1.7ghz
[09:36] <jamaas> anon: I'm so new to this I can't even remember but there is another power management system as well, would it do what you want?  I guess its hard to find out if you can't load the distro?
[09:37] <anon> yeah i tried foooling around with apm but that doean't seem to work either
[09:37] <anon> and yes it is difficult to troubleshoot when the machine turns itself off randomly
[09:37] <Hrdwr_BoB> I imagine so
[09:38] <jamaas> anon: digressing here, have you checked for a bios update for that chipset?
[09:39] <anon> i applied the latest bios update from hp before attempting the installation
[09:39] <anon> are you suggesting getting a bios update directly from amd?
[09:39] <mouu> hi
[09:39] <anon> or from phoenix, the company that does the current bios
[09:39] <calc> no hp is where the update would be from
[09:39] <anon> yeah i applied their latest update
[09:40] <calc> or whoever hp gets the laptop from
[09:40] <calc> eg emachines/gateway uses arima
[09:40] <jamaas> anon: not suggesting anything, have no idea, just fishing.  Can you set some of things to be off completely from the bios, until you get the distro loaded?
[09:40] <mouu> sombody of you use amd64 + nvidia ?
[09:41] <anon> the bios is pretty locked down
[09:41] <anon> the only things that i can change are pretty much the amount of system memory that iwant to set aside for graphics
[09:41] <anon> and a few other things
[09:41] <omac> Yesterday, I installed an ubuntu ppc...xine/dvdrip/mplayer have dependency issues and don't install from aptitude.  Anybody have any suggestions.
[09:41] <anon> like usb legacy support which is off by default i think
[09:42] <farruinn> omac, warty? I installed gxine no problem...
[09:43] <farruinn> probably have to enable universe and/or multiverse for those
[09:43] <omac> farruin...on ppc?
[09:43] <farruinn> yes
[09:43] <jamaas> anon: wish I could help, unfortunately am out of my depth.  I would suggest you persevere a little because Ubuntu seems very good to me and the community is very helpful, help me a great deal
[09:43] <farruinn> omac, have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[09:43] <anon> thanks for your help jamaas
[09:44] <omac> faruuinn I did go edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommented the multiverse apt get lines, then did an update but I got dependency issues.
[09:45] <farruinn> try installing only one of them at a time
[09:45] <omac> faruuin...along with some broken packages on the dependent libraries.  I also tried installing them one at a time with no success from aptitude.
[09:47] <farruinn> you may want to run a sudo apt-get check
[09:48] <omac> farruinn...I will try next friday to simply use the debian unstable repositories from within ubuntu.   How bad does it break ubuntu if I do this?  what does apt-get check do differently from doing the update from aptitude?
[09:49] <farruinn> apt-get check will try to fix any broken dependencies you already have
[09:49] <omac> farruinn...I was running all this stuff from a root prompt so I didn't need sudo.
[09:49] <farruinn> ok
[09:50] <farruinn> using the Debian repos could get you into even more trouble though
[09:50] <omac> doesn't aptitude do this automatically?  I went into the aptitude settings miscellaneous and there is an option enabled that does exactly what you are talking about.
[09:51] <omac> farruinn...yes you are right considering the version numbers and labels would be different in each of these repositories for all the packages.
[09:51] <farruinn> is that what it's choking on then or is it choking on broken deps for the packages you're trying to install?
[09:53] <sherman> small question
[09:53] <sherman> I'm trying to install the C-Media drivers so I can get sound from my Asus board
[09:53] <omac> farruinn...there was a totem video player that was installed with the original ubuntu but it didn't support divx .avi files.  gx-xine and all the different flavors of xine had dependency pBa written beside them.
[09:54] <sherman> and the instructions that C-Media gives are kind of old, and don't really apply
[09:55] <farruinn> omac, I couldn't get gnome-xine to work, but gxine installed fine
[09:55] <farruinn> I haven't played any divx or avi's with it though
[09:55] <|QuaD|> farruinn: no totem-xine?
[09:55] <|QuaD|> thats my player of choice
[09:55] <omac> I suggest you do attempt to play one.  I attempted with totem and did not play divx avi's.
[09:56] <|QuaD|> omac: not totem-gstreamer
[09:56] <omac> totem was installed by default with ubuntu.
[09:56] <|QuaD|> totem-xine
[09:56] <farruinn> not totem-xine however
[09:56] <|QuaD|> totem-gstreamer was
[09:56] <omac> farruinn...I mean totem-xine.
[09:56] <|QuaD|> totem-xine was not installed with ubuntu by default
[09:57] <omac> Quad thanks for correcting me.  I don't have the ibook g4 here.  It's at my friends place.
[09:57] <|QuaD|> oh
[09:58] <farruinn> avi works for me
[09:59] <|QuaD|> xine plays everything for me
[09:59] <farruinn> |QuaD|: you use a ppc?
[09:59] <omac> farruin...Quad...the person who owns the ibook g4 knows nothing about mac osx and computers and has an extremely open-mind about trying linux.  She saw my debian x86 box and loved what I could do with it.
[09:59] <|QuaD|> nope
[09:59] <|QuaD|> x86
[10:00] <|QuaD|> if she doen'st know anything about comps... i would probably say debian isn't for her (nor is ubuntu)
[10:00] <|QuaD|> one of the dummy linux's (like linspire) might be better
[10:00] <farruinn> |QuaD|: looks like totem-xine is only available as source for ppc
[10:01] <farruinn> omac OS X isn't enough unix for her?
[10:01] <omac> Quad...once ubuntu is installed correctly, there is no reason for end users to avoid it.  It's just the install and configuration that's tricky in my opinion.
[10:01] <|QuaD|> really? that stinks... looks like you will be compiling it
[10:01] <|QuaD|> omac... no reason for me to argue
[10:01] <Rattboi> omac: what did you do in debian that impressed her?
[10:02] <farruinn> omac, I did the same thing for a friend who had never even seen linux before but I get questions very frequently
[10:02] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: probably nothing that every other distro doesn't have
[10:02] <omac> I demo'd dvdrip/xine/grip/ices2/icecast2/vlc/openoffice/gimp....need I say more?
[10:02] <Rattboi> I mean what did you do with linux that she couldn't do with osx?
[10:03] <Rattboi> I got VLC/OO.org/Gimp on OSX easily
[10:03] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: do you agree ubuntu might not be the best idea
[10:03] <Rattboi> well, I know OSX basically rules most of the time
[10:03] <Rattboi> and most of that software will either run natively, or you can install fink + X11
[10:03] <farruinn> a lot of the time you don't even need fink
[10:04] <Rattboi> I got KDE running on OSX flawlessly
[10:04] <|QuaD|> omac: i reccomend somethign like xandros or linspire
[10:04] <freemymind> is php4 easy to upgrade to php5? or possible?
[10:05] <omac> I'm not here to contradict you however that said fink and mac os x are not the linux source base.  if source bases stay unified to linux there is more chance for portability quickly.  The bottom line whatever I have running on my debian box will run on her box.
[10:05] <|QuaD|> but omac, the point is, it might not be the best plan for her
[10:05] <omac> xine isn't running on this ibook g4 ubunto linux box yet...but it will soon.
[10:05] <Rattboi> I missed the beginning of this topic
[10:05] <Rattboi> is this gonna be on a x86 box?
[10:05] <sherman> Has anyone configured a C8738 under ubuntu before?
[10:05] <|QuaD|> it might be more beneficial to use something simpler
[10:05] <sherman> can't seem to get it to work
[10:06] <|QuaD|> whats that
[10:07] <Rattboi> yeah
[10:07] <Rattboi> what?
[10:07] <Rattboi> :P
[10:07] <Agrajag> it's an integrated sound card
[10:07] <Agrajag> and it should just work, mine did
[10:07] <sherman> it's a C-Media audio output on an older Asus board
[10:07] <|QuaD|> ok
[10:07] <sherman> well, it's recognized
[10:07] <sherman> and alsamixer seems to find it
[10:07] <sherman> but I can't get any sound out of it
[10:08] <anon> anyone here know anything about acpi?
[10:08] <|QuaD|> anon: ask a question
[10:08] <|QuaD|> don't just ask if anyone knows anything
[10:08] <|QuaD|> we all probbly know OSMEHTING
[10:08] <omac> sherman...you're on an x86 box right?  I've seen this sound module before.  If you search for module sound C8738 you will find the right module to load up.
[10:09] <anon> ok, ubuntu cannot be installed on my laptop with acpi enabled
[10:09] <freemymind> anyone have phpbb working?
[10:09] <anon> but without acpi, the laptop overheats very quickly and turns itself off randomly
[10:10] <anon> does anyone have any ideas?
[10:10] <sherman> complete linux newbie, how do I do that?
[10:10] <anon> the laptop works fine with winxp and freebsd
[10:10] <farruinn> anon you could take the case off and blow on the cpu a lot so it doesn't overheat ;-)
[10:10] <Agrajag> take the case off of a laptop?
[10:11] <anon> i'd like to give that a try farruinn but it is 4.10 am here and i have been at this for the past 5 hours
[10:11] <Agrajag> Can you lower the CPU speed in the bios?
[10:11] <anon> nope
[10:11] <anon> the bios that hp provides is very gimpy
[10:12] <anon> the biggest "feature" in it is to set how much ram can be diverted for graphics
[10:15] <omac> it's not the hardware module...it's your permissions.  As root ......addgroup <your account> audio
[10:16] <omac> Sherman...that was meant for you.
[10:16] <sherman> already a member of audio =\
[10:17] <omac> how about groups sound or sound-users?
[10:20] <sherman> don't exist
[10:20] <omac> Sherman...ok.  Sorry about that.
[10:21] <omac> Sherman did you try something like this:  http://www.cmedia.com.tw/linux/RedHat-61.htm
[10:22] <sherman> yeah, that's the one I downloaded
[10:23] <sherman> but I'm a bit lost on the instructions
[10:26] <linux_galore> just wondering whats the maximum amount of drives you can have in an atx system running a 2.6 kernel
[10:26] <linux_galore> just I have someone with a CD stacker rig and it wont go past 26 in Linux
[10:26] <wood1> Hi to all
[10:27] <Rattboi> hda-hdz?
[10:27] <wood1> I am using Hoary and I only get a resolution of 640 x 480
[10:28] <wood1> Before Hoary, Warty was OK at 1024 x 768
[10:28] <wood1> Can somebody help me out ???
[10:29] <linux_galore> Rattboi:  yeah thats 26 drives
[10:29] <|QuaD|> wood1: in general we don't support hoary... are you using xfree or xorg?
[10:30] <|QuaD|> (ie did you upgrade correctly)
[10:30] <linux_galore> Rattboi:  he has 6 cd stackers each with 5 CD's in it.....he's making a juke box but he is maxing out at 26
[10:30] <wezzer> shit, windows 2k broke my ubuntu installation
[10:30] <wood1> Well I am using Xorg
[10:30] <|QuaD|> lol
[10:30] <|QuaD|> do you have error logs?
[10:31] <wood1> Well I don't have any error logs
[10:31] <|QuaD|> ok then you make it difficult for us to help ya
[10:31] <wood1> It's only that I don't see the Screen options of greater than 640 x 480 ?
[10:31] <|QuaD|> do you have your config files setup correctly?
[10:32] <wood1> Which config files ?
[10:32] <sherman> any other ideas on the audio?
[10:32] <Lathiat> Anyone know what the ATI drivers are liek on linux[xorg] , getting a laptop tomorrow and pondering between the nvidia or ati card
[10:32] <daniels> Lathiat: depends on the model
[10:32] <Lathiat> umm
[10:32] <Lathiat> 9600 mobility
[10:32] <|QuaD|> wood1: xorg
[10:32] <Lathiat> "pro turbo"
[10:32] <wood1> How do I change the screen resolutions in Xorg ?
[10:32] <omac> sherman....there seems to be a snd-cmpci module for debian/ubuntu which seems to be integrated in alsa.
[10:33] <wood1> well, xorg.conf seems to be fine
[10:33] <|QuaD|> change the config file
[10:33] <Lathiat> daniels:
[10:33] <linux_galore> hmm looks like 26 drives is all Linux can do on x86
[10:33] <|QuaD|> only 26?
[10:33] <|QuaD|> good thing i have 25
[10:34] <Rattboi> :)
[10:34] <whiprush> daniels: my X40 came in, your packages work great. :D
[10:34] <wood1> QuaD, the xorg.conf fine seems OK
[10:35] <|QuaD|> wood1: then you must have an error
[10:35] <wood1> You mean Errors while I am logging in X Windows ?
[10:35] <|QuaD|> your xorg error log
[10:36] <wood1> I don't see an xorg error log
[10:36] <wood1> What is the name of the log file ?
[10:36] <|QuaD|> its in /var/log
[10:38] <sherman> omac: thanks, that worked
[10:38] <Rattboi> sherman: what worked?
[10:39] <Rattboi> just curious
[10:39] <sherman> depmod snd-cmpci got the sound output working
[10:39] <wood1> QuaD, I don't have any idea after looking at the error logs
[10:39] <daniels> whiprush: sensational :)
[10:39] <daniels> Lathiat: 2d will work flawlessly, 3d is only with fglrx
[10:39] <Rattboi> is X40 a webcam?
[10:39] <wig> im switching to slackware
[10:39] <whiprush> heh, the speaker is pretty horrible though
[10:39] <wood1> Everything works fine but I get a screen resolution of only 640 x 480
[10:39] <daniels> Rattboi: laptop
[10:39] <wig> nothing against ubuntu, but it's against the 2.6.n kernel
[10:39] <|QuaD|> wood1: put it online so i can look
[10:40] <Lathiat> daniels: whats fglrx?
[10:40] <|QuaD|> also put your xorg config file
[10:40] <kremlyn> Anybody know how to get Ubuntu/Gnome working on dual screen?
[10:40] <Rattboi> http://www.rafb.net/paste/
[10:40] <Lathiat> daniels: basically im trying to decide if it would it be better to go an nvidia?
[10:40] <omac> sherman...you're welcome...btw I have another link for you to look at FYI http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=C-Media&card=.&chip=CMI8338%2C+CMI8738&module=cmipci
[10:40] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: me
[10:40] <Agrajag> Lathiat: yes yes yes
[10:40] <Agrajag> ATi's drivers suck
[10:40] <wood1> QuaD, there are 3 Xorg error logs
[10:40] <Lathiat> yeh thats what i thought
[10:40] <kremlyn> QuaD: What do I need to do? Both cards are supported and appear in Dmesg
[10:40] <Lathiat> didnt really know tho
[10:40] <|QuaD|> do the one that isn't .x
[10:40] <|QuaD|> where x is a number
[10:41] <daniels> Lathiat: fglrx are ati binary drivers
[10:41] <Lathiat> daniels: ah right
[10:41] <daniels> they're a pain in the arse to configure sometimes, but meh
[10:41] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: 1 card
[10:41] <Lathiat> daniels: see id want 3d, and i really want spanning
[10:41] <Lathiat> daniels: do they do spanning?
[10:41] <kremlyn> QuaD: Won't work with two cards?
[10:41] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i did it with 1 card... i have 2 outputs
[10:41] <daniels> Lathiat: yes
[10:41] <kremlyn> oic..
[10:41] <wood1> The nearest log is of the name of:   Xorg.0.log
[10:42] <kremlyn> Quad: Did you need to edit the xfree86 config?
[10:42] <Lathiat> cool
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: it hsould be doable
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah
[10:42] <wood1> QuaD, that's the name of the Xorg Error Log
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: do you have a savage?
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: how do you want it set up
[10:42] <kremlyn> Hmm, where does that file live?
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: or a trident?
[10:42] <|QuaD|> wood1: what are the 3 names
[10:42] <daniels> in either case, known issue, bleh
[10:42] <thomas_> HI aLL
[10:42] <wood1> No it's a Intel 810
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: /etc/X11
[10:42] <daniels> anyway, I'm going into S3 now, so I'll see you all from Mataro
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: oh, suck
[10:42] <kremlyn> Quad: I'm not even sure what my options are :-/
[10:42] <daniels> wood1: yeah, put up Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:42] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: you using nvidia's?
[10:42] <wood1> OK
[10:43] <|QuaD|> daniels: intel810=onboard?
[10:43] <wood1> Where should I paste the log file
[10:43] <kremlyn> Quad: 1 x NVidia Geforce2 MX400 (AGP), 1 x Matrox Millenium 2 (PCI)
[10:43] <wood1> pastebin.com   ?
[10:43] <|QuaD|> wood1: sure
[10:43] <|QuaD|> kremlyn:
[10:44] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: do you have the drivers working seperately for each?
[10:45] <kremlyn> Quad: I'm trying to work that out now
[10:45] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i would reccomend starting by first getting each one working
[10:46] <|QuaD|> and save the individual config files
[10:46] <kremlyn> Quad: That's good advice, I'll try that. :-) I'm not seeing either in dmesg, perhaps I don't know what to look for
[10:47] <kremlyn> OK, in "Device Manager" both appear
[10:47] <kremlyn> Both seem to be OK.
[10:47] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i don't know how much longer i am going to be online, do you want a copy of my config files for reference?
[10:47] <|QuaD|> ok.... write down the pci bus numbers
[10:48] <kremlyn> QuaD: That'd be cool
[10:48] <kremlyn> PCI Bus Numbers?
[10:49] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: can i pm you the address?
[10:49] <kremlyn> Sure :-)
[10:49] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah... hold on i will tell you how to find the pci bus address
[10:49] <wood1> Quad and daniels, I have just pasted the Xorg.0.log
[10:50] <thomas_> I've got network pb with ubuntu under ACER laptop aspire 1600
[10:50] <|QuaD|> wood1: link?
[10:50] <thomas_> the ifconfig seems to be good but I can't ping anything
[10:51] <thomas_> any body can help me please ?
[10:51] <wood1> http://pastebin.com/126465
[10:51] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: go into device manager then click on one of your video cards
[10:51] <|QuaD|> click advanced
[10:51] <kremlyn> Done..
[10:51] <|QuaD|> do you see a line that is like /sys/devices/pci.....
[10:51] <|QuaD|> what are they for each card?
[10:52] <kremlyn> I see lots of "pci.device"
[10:52] <|QuaD|> are they all the same line though?
[10:53] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000 (lots of numbers)
[10:53] <|QuaD|> wood1: if you want are help, listen to what both daniels and i said
[10:53] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: thats what i wanted to see :)
[10:53] <kremlyn> sweet :-)
[10:53] <|QuaD|> (i wanted to know what those numbers were)
[10:53] <kremlyn> oh.. heh, OK hang on
[10:53] <|QuaD|> :)
[10:54] <wood1> Quad and Daniels:  http://pastebin.com/126466
[10:54] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000/:03:00.0
[10:56] <|QuaD|> wood1: what resolution are you getting?
[10:56] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: for the other card?
[10:57] <kremlyn> OK.. will take a few seconds to type it out
[10:57] <Rattboi> I'm pretty happy with my ubuntu install now
[10:57] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: :)
[10:57] <Rattboi> I *think* the only other thing to do is get DVD playing working
[10:57] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: i am using it.... i have 2 gripes about it (though i forget what my second one is now) but i very much dislike kde
[10:57] <|QuaD|> but i think overall i like ubuntu a lot
[10:58] <|QuaD|> i am satisfied... fills that niche that debian left behingd
[10:58] <Rattboi> btw, I added some samba shares to my fstab. What happens if the shares arent available when I boot?
[10:58] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:08.0/0000:01:06.0
[10:58] <kremlyn> Quad: That's the second one
[10:58] <|QuaD|> which is the agp one?
[10:59] <kremlyn> The first one..
[10:59] <|QuaD|> ok... and thatis the nvidia?
[10:59] <kremlyn> ./sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000/:03:00.0
[10:59] <kremlyn> Yep
[11:00] <|QuaD|> are you sure the second one is right?
[11:00] <kremlyn> Let me double check..
[11:01] <kremlyn> Quad: Yep, it's correct.
[11:01] <wood1> Quad and Daniels,    Any ideas ???
[11:01] <wood1> Only 640 x 480
[11:01] <|QuaD|> wood1: what resolution are you getting
[11:01] <|QuaD|> wood1: are you sure?
[11:02] <wood1> Yes I am sure
[11:02] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: do you want one big monitor or 2 regular?
[11:03] <kremlyn> QuaD: How do you mean? (I'd like to be able to drag apps between the two, but maximise maximises to one)
[11:03] <kremlyn> And if possible, to spread the panels accross both screens (though I'm not sure if that's possible)
[11:03] <Rattboi> wood1: how do you change res?
[11:03] <kremlyn> I don't want to ask for too much because I'm not quite sure what's possible
[11:03] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: ok... then my config won't help you too much
[11:03] <wood1> I ran the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set the highest resolution from 1024 x 768 to 800 x 600
[11:04] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: that is very possible, not hard
[11:04] <|QuaD|> i just don't know how to do it without researching it (and i can't now)
[11:04] <kremlyn> QuaD: No problem, you've been awesome.  Where do I look? I don't mind reading (the whole point is to learn) ;-)
[11:05] <|QuaD|> hmm... google?the nvidia readme is also really helpful for nvidia drivers (and editing the xfree86/xorg.conf configs)
[11:05] <|QuaD|> wood1: i don't like your config file
[11:05] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: in short, you are going to need 2 devices
[11:05] <Rattboi> |QuaD|, I'm not seeing anything obviously wrong with it
[11:05] <|QuaD|> 2 screens
[11:05] <|QuaD|> grr 1 screen
[11:06] <|QuaD|> and 2 monitors
[11:06] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: make sure that for the 2 devices, you specify the busid
[11:06] <kremlyn> So this is an XFree thing, not a gnome thing?
[11:06] <wood1> Rattboi, I just click>Computer>Screen Resolution
[11:06] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: from looking at it i don't understand how it can go past 800x600
[11:06] <kremlyn> Gnome will "Just work" ?
[11:06] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: 100% xfree
[11:06] <Rattboi> it can't
[11:06] <|QuaD|> yeah
[11:06] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: exactly
[11:07] <Rattboi> but he should get 800x600
[11:07] <Rattboi> he said only 640x480 worked
[11:07] <wood1> Yes Rattboi, that's the problem
[11:07] <wood1> Till yesterday, 1024 x 768 was working too
[11:07] <kremlyn> QuaD: Ahh, I've been googling for "Dual Scren Gnome"
[11:07] <kremlyn> I'll try Dual Screen XFree86
[11:07] <Rattboi> yeah, the Gnome resolution thing is goofy
[11:08] <|QuaD|> but he is claimin he got 10424x768 before
[11:08] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah
[11:08] <Rattboi> mine lists a bunch I don't have
[11:08] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: also try #nvidia
[11:08] <|QuaD|> for nvidia help (and they might be able to help you with dual screening)
[11:08] <Rattboi> |QuaD|, I think he reconfigured xfree wrong, but he should still be able to get 800x600
[11:08] <Rattboi> *xorg
[11:09] <Rattboi> wood1: so it's only showing 640x480 in the options?
[11:09] <|QuaD|> wood1: did you even LOOK at your config file before coming to us?
[11:10] <kremlyn> QuaD: Thanks heaps for all your help, I'll play around and see what I come up with
[11:10] <kremlyn> :-D
[11:10] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: no problem, if you have any questions send me a pm, i am around a lot
[11:10] <kremlyn> If I get it to work, I'll write a tutorial on it
[11:11] <kremlyn> *nod* will do, thanks again
[11:11] <|QuaD|> heh :)
[11:11] <jamaas> Anyone here had any experience setting up a SyncML server to connect to a Symbian based phone/pda on Ubuntu?  I'm asking to find out what if any is the simplest way to get a small server for my own personal use on a pc.  I've downloaded sync4j, which looks good but now I'm backtracking trying to get all the JAVA stuff set up, not easy for a newbie!  Any comments?
[11:11] <wood1> Why Quad ?
[11:11] <|QuaD|> wood1: how much memory does your card have?
[11:11] <wood1> It has 4 MB
[11:11] <|QuaD|> wood1: why? because it is CLEARLY not setup to do what you want
[11:12] <Pitr> Can I sync my pocketpc with evolution ?
[11:12] <wood1> It has 4096
[11:12] <|QuaD|> Pitr: did you search the repo for wince or pocketpc?
[11:16] <wood1> Quad, how do I setup Xorg to read my Video Ram as 4 MB or Use 800 x 600 resolution ?
[11:16] <|QuaD|> wood1: ?
[11:16] <wood1> Like I said, it was working fine till yesterday
[11:16] <|QuaD|> wood1: then undo what you did yesterday
[11:16] <Rattboi> wood1: looks like the 4mb ram is in there
[11:16] <wood1> How do I fix the problem ?
[11:17] <wood1> Well I forgot what I did yesterday
[11:17] <Rattboi> wood1: would I be correct in assuming you don't understand the x config file?
[11:17] <Rattboi> why exactly are you running Hoary?
[11:17] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: lol :) i agree
[11:17] <pepsi> hi
[11:17] <wood1> Just for some testing
[11:17] <wood1> and playing around
[11:17] <|QuaD|> wood1: what are you testing
[11:18] <Rattboi> yeah, what are you testing that you couldn't test in Warty?
[11:18] <wood1> Nothing, I am using Hoary just on a test machine
[11:18] <|QuaD|> wood1: why are you running this instead of warty?
[11:19] <Rattboi> I'll admit that I'm pretty noob too, but I could tell that you're not gonna get 1024x768 res with that xorg.confg
[11:19] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: :)
[11:19] <pepsi> whats going on>
[11:19] <kremlyn> Quad: In the BusID section of the xfree config file, is it OK to put "AGP:xx:xx" or even AGP cards must be "PCI:xx:xx" for some reason?
[11:20] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: i believe you should still put pci
[11:20] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yeah, i beleive agp is off the pci bus
[11:21] <wood1> Ok 800 x 600 will be fine for me
[11:21] <kremlyn> Yeah it is :-)
[11:21] <wood1> As I said I configured Xorg to run only at 800 x 600 ?
[11:21] <|QuaD|> wood1: no you didn't
[11:21] <Rattboi> wood1: how do you change res? just using Computer-Settings->Change Resolution?
[11:21] <kremlyn> before I do this manually, would running some kind of script or 'dpkg-reconfigure' do this for me automagically?
[11:22] <|QuaD|> you couldn't understand why it wasn't runing at 1024/768
[11:22] <Rattboi> what happens when you do ctrl-+?
[11:22] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: no
[11:22] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: MAKE SURE TO BACK UP YOUR OLD FILE
[11:22] <kremlyn> *nod*, already done.
[11:22] <|QuaD|> :)
[11:22] <kremlyn> My monitors are the same, I can copy that and add in the lines like: Identifier      "Monitor[1] "
[11:23] <Rattboi> kremlyn, what is the purpose of whta you're doing? I missed it
[11:23] <kremlyn> And I guess the same for the other card, using the last 6 characters..
[11:23] <Rattboi> dual monitor support?
[11:23] <|QuaD|> kremlyn: yea
[11:23] <kremlyn> Rattboi, Dual Screen with two different cards
[11:23] <Rattboi> huh
[11:23] <Rattboi> does that work in Windows?
[11:23] <kremlyn> Yep
[11:23] <Rattboi> I've only seen dual monitor setups from single cards
[11:24] <kremlyn> This has worked in Win2k/XP fine
[11:24] <|QuaD|> Rattboi: its possible
[11:24] <kremlyn> I had to use for this year's Uni
[11:24] <kremlyn> But now my thesis is in, I am back to UNIX. (I'm from OpenBSD background, but only with one monitor)
[11:24] <|QuaD|> www.zeitgeist.us
[11:24] <melazyboy> bah what is this about
[11:24] <melazyboy> when i try to open a folder
[11:24] <melazyboy> a dialog pops up and says you can stop this operation by hitting cancel
[11:25] <melazyboy> and the folder never opens
[11:25] <wood1> Rattbol, I do the same as you said
[11:26] <Rattboi> and it only lists 640x480, right?
[11:26] <wood1> Yes
[11:26] <wood1> You are right
[11:26] <DarthJ> hi have anyone installed software raid on a running ubuntu?
[11:26] <Rattboi> that list is really weird
[11:26] <|QuaD|> wood1: use warty
[11:26] <melazyboy> DarthJ: I have on sid.
[11:26] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Its very sexy
[11:26] <DarthJ> melazyboy: which howdo have you used?
[11:26] <DarthJ> howto
[11:26] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Software Raid Howto
[11:27] <wood1> How do I undo Hoary back to Warty ???????
[11:27] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Most of it is so extremly easy, just read about raidtab, and use raidstart <dev>, then mount it
[11:27] <DarthJ> i also use this but get with mkraid allwasy an error
[11:27] <melazyboy> nothing too difficult
[11:28] <|QuaD|> wood1: reformat?
[11:28] <melazyboy> DarthJ: What error, and are you using a PCI/Sata or SCSI raid?
[11:28] <ironwolf> wood1: there's this nice install CD that works well for that.
[11:28] <|QuaD|> dist upgrade?
[11:28] <DarthJ> EIDE Raid
[11:28] <will> wod1: i just had to reinstall: uts the best way
[11:28] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Are you using an expansion card?
[11:28] <DarthJ> no onboard controller
[11:28] <will> wood1 sorry its not reccommended to 'downgrade'
[11:29] <DarthJ> i always get  /dev/hdc1 is mounted and then mkraid:aborted
[11:29] <|QuaD|> will: its also not reccomended to run hoary unless you know what you are doing, but he is running it anyways
[11:29] <will> thats true
[11:29] <swat_> good morning
[11:29] <intinig> what is a media player that can be compared to iTunes for playlist management?
[11:29] <|QuaD|> its bed time for me :)
[11:29] <intinig> and media collection management?
[11:29] <swat_> is anyone running ubuntu on a dell d600?
[11:30] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Did you set up your raidtab?
[11:30] <DarthJ> yes i do
[11:30] <swat_> or, failing that, knows why my laptop should lock up when i close the lid!
[11:30] <DarthJ> hda as failed disks
[11:30] <DarthJ> yes
[11:30] <DarthJ> system is instaled on hdc
[11:31] <DarthJ> ll
[11:31] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Don't know what to tell you, mine was extremly easy to set up, im uinsg ide as well, i had to mknode mine (I believe that was because i was using an exp card_
[11:31] <pepsi_> swat_, mine does the same... and also if i tr switch between consoles
[11:31] <pepsi_> if i try
[11:31] <swat_> pepsi_: you have not yet discovered any kind of work around?
[11:31] <pepsi_> swat_, are you using the right drivers?
[11:31] <pepsi_> or just some frame buffer?
[11:32] <swat_> pepsi_: i'm just using whatever it was setup with!
[11:32] <pepsi_> i havent setup my drivers yet
[11:32] <swat_> pepsi_: switching between consoles works ifne
[11:32] <swat_> fine.
[11:32] <pepsi_> yeah, you probably have to set it up
[11:32] <pepsi_> oh
[11:32] <pepsi_> like alt-foo?
[11:32] <swat_> yeh
[11:32] <pepsi_> i can switch to other consoles, but never back to x
[11:32] <DarthJ> i have an ubuntu installation, system runs on hdc, hda is set as failed disk in raidtab config file
[11:34] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Try removing the device and readding it
[11:34] <melazyboy> raidhotremove or something like that w/ raidhotadd
[11:34] <wood1> Everybody, If I change the sources.list to Warty, will that work ?
[11:34] <melazyboy> when a device fails you have to do that
[11:34] <DarthJ> ok i try
[11:34] <melazyboy> and then when you raidstart the array will rebuild
[11:35] <pepsi_> swat_, you running hoary or warty?
[11:36] <wood1> If I change my Hoary's sources.list to warty, will it install Warty  ???
[11:36] <pepsi_> eh
[11:37] <pepsi_> can you go back?
[11:37] <crimsun> you can roll stuff back if you use apt-pinning
[11:37] <Lathiat> No, you cannot go back
[11:37] <Lathiat> wood1: You need to reinstall
[11:37] <Lathiat> downgrading will probably break
[11:37] <crimsun> it's not recommended, of course.
[11:37] <wood1> How do I reinstall Warty. I don't have a CD-ROM on that drive
[11:37] <kremlyn> Hmm, will "nvidia.ko" work with a GeForce2 MX 400?
[11:37] <crimsun> kremlyn: of course
[11:38] <crimsun> kremlyn: that kernel module is for all tnt- and newer families
[11:38] <wood1> Can I just reformat the / partition and type:  apt-get update
[11:38] <pepsi_> uh
[11:38] <crimsun> "reformat /?"
[11:38] <kremlyn> Ahh, thanks. :-) I want to get the other screen working with that driver first, then once XFree is set u right, I will worry about compiling the accelerated nVidia drivers.
[11:39] <pepsi_> if you format /, you reinstall
[11:39] <crimsun> kremlyn: you don't need to compile them. They're in linux-restricted-modules-`uname -r`
[11:39] <melazyboy> wood1: .. read the wiki =D
[11:40] <kremlyn> Where is linux-restricted-modules?
[11:40] <crimsun> kremlyn: in 'restricted'
[11:40] <crimsun> kremlyn: use Synaptic to enable that, then update
[11:40] <kremlyn> Oh, I need to change sources.list
[11:41] <melazyboy> wood1: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo
[11:41] <kiwnix> is there way of "limiting" the bandwitch used by apt-get ?
[11:42] <pepsi_> not easily
[11:43] <neopark> hello again is there a net installer for power pc,(i ran out of blanck cd's) and if there is where do i get it
[11:45] <Rattboi> neopark, I really doubt it
[11:46] <Ackira> Hello !
[11:47] <neopark> no worrys i will wait till the morning and buy some cds
[11:47] <Ackira> I'd like to know if i could reset the debian menu on my Gnome in ubuntu? Because i installed a lot of apps, and they don't appear in the gnome menu.
[11:48] <MobyTurbo> neopark, well, you could use shipit.ubuntulinux.org and get as many pressed cds of ubuntu as you want. It might be faster to buy blank CDs today though. :-)
[11:49] <pepsi_> Ackira, add them to the menu
[11:50] <Ackira> pepsi_: on by one? it would be to long. I just installed a lot of games for my family, it would be faster to readd the debian menu
[11:50] <neopark> thx MobyTurbo, i did request a few of them earlyer.
[11:51] <wood1> Also I can't remove OpenOffice with: apt-get remove openoffice.org
[11:51] <melazyboy> Bah i just got done removing a bunch of shit from init.d
[11:51] <melazyboy> and a dist-upgrade added it all back
[11:51] <pepsi_> Ackira, some apps put stuff in the menus, but others dont
[11:52] <Ackira> pepsi_: I know, but i'd like to do it, please
[11:52] <MobyTurbo> wood1, apt-get remove 'openoffice.org*'
[11:52] <pepsi_> do what?
[11:52] <Ackira> I know it was on purpose that ubuntu removed debian menu from Gnome
[11:53] <Ackira> i 'd just like know how to readd it
[11:53] <pepsi_> i dunno what that is
[11:53] <wood1> apt-get remove openoffice.org gives Errors
[11:54] <kremlyn> OK.
[11:54] <MobyTurbo> wood1, did you add the star as I suggested?
[11:54] <pepsi_> what debian menu?
[11:54] <kremlyn> I've created an XF86Config-4-dual
[11:54] <kremlyn> With what I think is correct for my dual screen setup
[11:55] <kremlyn> Can I move XF86Config-4 to XF86COnfig-4-old
[11:55] <Ackira> have you ever tried a debian distrib? Most of packages in debian add an entry to what is called the "debian menu". It works in various desktop and window managers
[11:55] <kremlyn> and move XF86Config-4-dual to XF86Config-4
[11:55] <wood1> MobyTurbo, I can't remove openoffice.org
[11:55] <kremlyn> And then reboot?
[11:55] <MobyTurbo> wood1, you tried adding the quoted star?
[11:55] <crimsun> kremlyn: no need to reboot. Just restart X Windows
[11:55] <crimsun> kremlyn: (e.g., log out and back in)
[11:56] <kremlyn> OK, and if my config file is screwed..?
[11:56] <melazyboy> ... Hold alt+ctrl+backspace
[11:56] <kremlyn> I can always move the file back from the terminal
[11:56] <pepsi_> Ackira, the "applications" menu?
[11:56] <DarthJ> malezyboy: i found the error failed disk must be the seconde in the raidtab file
[11:57] <melazyboy> DarthJ: Interesting
[11:57] <MobyTurbo> kremlyn, do  what melazyboy suggested
[11:58] <Ackira> pepsi_: in the application menu of gnome-panel, you have a submenu which is called "Debian menu".
[11:59] <wood1> MobyTurbo, I am still getting Errors with:   apt-get remove openoffice.org*
[12:00] <pepsi_> so you want all your games to show up in the menu?
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> wood1, single-quoted too?
[12:00] <MobyTurbo> wood1, stupid question time, are you using sudo?
[12:01] <wood1> MobyTrubo, yes I am using:   root
[12:01] <wood1> I am logged in as ROOT
[12:01] <kremlyn> I return..
[12:01] <Nexinarus> woo i contributed to the laptop hardware support compatibility list,
[12:02] <kremlyn> No luck :-/ Got an error message suggesting the config file was borked
[12:02] <kremlyn> And then restored my old XF86Config-4 and typed 'startx'
[12:02] <MobyTurbo> wood1, you shouldn't log in as root... that's puzzling though, you are using 'openoffice.org*' with single-quotes?
[12:02] <kremlyn> No idea what to do from here, would someone be happy to look at my dual-monitor config file?
[12:03] <MobyTurbo> it should mention that it's matching regexes. That's not an error....
[12:04] <melazyboy> If your removing open office you should use purge too
[12:04] <melazyboy> get rid of those .confs
[12:05] <melazyboy> as in
[12:05] <melazyboy> 'apt-get --purge -qq remove 'openoffice.org*'
[12:06] <wood1> MobyTurbo, Quad while:  apt-get remove openoffice.org* I get these errors
[12:06] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:06] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:06] <wood1>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:06] <Rattboi> wood1: are you going back to warty?
[12:06] <melazyboy> just force it
[12:06] <Rattboi> if you are, I recommend reinstalling from scratch
[12:06] <wood1> No not yet
[12:06] <Rattboi> ok
[12:06] <melazyboy> 'apt-get --purge -qq --force-yes remove 'openoffice.org*'
[12:07] <wood1> All these problems started with OpenOffice package
[12:07] <caro> hello
[12:08] <caro> i would like to read video files with ubuntu
[12:08] <melazyboy> caro, apt-get install vlc
[12:08] <caro> i would like to use gstreamer
[12:09] <caro> more precisely because i have to develop a prog with gstreamer
[12:09] <caro> problem, ubuntu has not much gstreamer plugin
[12:10] <caro> is there a site where there are more gstreamer plugins for ubuntu ?
[12:11] <wood1> melazyboy, apt-get --purge -qq --force-yes remove 'openoffice.org*' did not work
[12:11] <MobyTurbo> caro, universe (and maybe multiverse) have some gstreamer plugins.
[12:11] <wood1> Still the same Erooooorrrrrrrrsss
[12:11] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:11] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:11] <wood1>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:11] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:11] <wood1>  openoffice.org
[12:12] <wood1> How do I actually reinstall openoffice.org ???????
[12:12] <wood1> This is driving me craze since last week
[12:12] <caro> MobyTurbo, well, i'm a newbie with ubuntu/debian (and apt-get or synaptic)
[12:12] <caro> what is universe ?
[12:14] <MobyTurbo> caro, universe is commented out in /etc/apt/sources.list; uncomment it and run apt-get update. Or you can do it in synaptic's menus. The multiverse repository is identical to the "universe" repository that's commented out; add it too.
[12:14] <caro> i try that, thank you
[12:14] <kremlyn> OK, trying again.
[12:15] <wood1> Somebody here "How do I reinstall openoffice.org ???
[12:15] <MobyTurbo> caro, meant to say multiverse is the same as universe except it says "multiverse" where the line says "universe".. but I think you'll get it. :-)
[12:15] <Rattboi> wood1: this is your test machine and you've been having problems for > 1 week
[12:16] <Rattboi> just reinstall
[12:16] <wezzer> umm, selecting it to be uninstalled in synaptic?
[12:16] <caro> MobyTurbo, that's what i thought ;)
[12:16] <wood1> Yes
[12:16] <wood1> Rattboi
[12:17] <wood1> Rattboi, the problem is that I have to get a CD-ROM from another machine and I don't want to do that
[12:17] <wood1> My Testing Hoary Machine does not have a CD Drive
[12:18] <caro> haaa, right
[12:18] <caro> there's more packages now
[12:18] <caro> thanks
[12:18] <MobyTurbo> np
[12:20] <eleazar_> hello
[12:20] <pepsi_> x
[12:20] <eleazar_> no problems, I installed gnome 2.8 repositoy ubuntu in debian sarge no ?
[12:21] <eleazar_> and erase list repositoy ubuntu mirrors the sources.list finish installed gnome 2.8 in debian sarge
[12:21] <eleazar_> ?
[12:23] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, you are mixing Debian sarge and ubuntu repositories, or dist-upgrading to ubuntu?
[12:23] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, the first choice is a bad one, the second choice might work.
[12:24] <wood1> MobyTurbo, is there a way to reinstall Ubuntu without the Ubuntu CD?
[12:24] <eleazar_> I in sources.list reposity ubuntu in debian sarge, and use: apt-get dist-upgra, upgrading much packets gnome ( 2.8 wait ...) and now erase repositoy ubuntu the sources.list
[12:24] <wood1> I mean just through the Internet Connection ?
[12:24] <MobyTurbo> wood1, not that I know of.
[12:24] <eleazar_> no conflics in system no ?
[12:24] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, you erased the Debian or the Ubuntu repositories?
[12:24] <wood1> My problem is that I don't have a CD drive
[12:25] <kremlyn> w00t!
[12:25] <kremlyn> My dual-screen XF86Config-4 loaded fine.. so it means the file is OK..
[12:25] <eleazar_> ubuntu , now finishing dist-upgrade the ubunut, I erase ubuntu repositoryes
[12:26] <eleazar_> and continued with my debian sarge
[12:26] <kremlyn> But do I need to do something in Gnome to get the other screen to "turn on"?
[12:26] <Lathiat> eleazar_: are you trying to get a ubuntu system by dist upgrading a debian sarge system?
[12:26] <eleazar_> sorry my english, I speak spanish ..
[12:26] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, that's asking for breakage. No bueno.
[12:26] <MobyTurbo> :-)
[12:26] <Lathiat> eleazar_: Because that is not recommended, and will almost definately break your system
[12:26] <eleazar_> MobyTurbo, jejeje :-)
[12:27] <Amaranth> I used to speak a little spanish but I can't translate that.
[12:27] <wood1> Does somebody here knows how to Re-install  OpenOffice.org in Ubuntu Hoary ?
[12:27] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org
[12:28] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get clean
[12:28] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:28] <eleazar_> MobyTurbo,
[12:28] <eleazar_> I have put the repositos of ubuntu in my sources.list (of my they debian sarge).  I update with dist-upgrade and gnome 2,8 (or that settles to me soon I create) and I erase the reposito of ubuntu of my sources.list and continuous with my they debian sarge
[12:28] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, do not do that.
[12:29] <eleazar_> why ?
[12:29] <MobyTurbo> eleazar_, because apt-get is not designed for that.
[12:29] <Amaranth> eleazar_: You end up with GNOME and all it's dependencies being _completely_ incompatible with anything from debian.
[12:29] <eleazar_> already this in update process
[12:29] <Amaranth> So your system is ruined.
[12:29] <eleazar_> abort process ?
[12:30] <Rattboi> what's the splash kernel option in my grub menu.lst do?
[12:30] <Amaranth> GNOME 2.8 either is in sarge are will be within days, why would you ruin your install to get it?
[12:30] <eleazar_> ok
[12:30] <Amaranth> eleazar_: Have you run apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade yet?
[12:30] <Amaranth> Or did you just run apt-get update?
[12:30] <eleazar_> nonwise that saldria I have of little
[12:31] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: Extremely doubtful.
[12:31] <eleazar_> dist-upgrade
[12:31] <wood1> Amaranth, apt-get remove --purge openoffice.org did not work
[12:31] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, competition is good. :-)
[12:31] <Amaranth> Stolen from php-bot: "Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day?  Does it want more money?  Is it on IRC all the time?  Please be specific!  Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too."
[12:32] <mouu> hi
[12:32] <Amaranth> ;)
[12:32] <Amaranth> hi mouu
[12:32] <alekandr> can anyone help me or advise me on a method to install ubuntu, i downloaded the install iso, and then realised that my cd-writers lens is borked?
[12:32] <mouu> hi Amaranth
[12:32] <eleazar_> Good it will hope to that it leaves gnome 2,8 for sarge, thanks to all for the aid
[12:32] <eleazar_> MobyTurbo,  Amaranth  :-)
[12:32] <alekandr> i tried the debian sarge install floppys, but thats confuzzling
[12:32] <wood1> Can somebody here figure out why I am having the following problems in Hoary ?
[12:33] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:33] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:33] <Amaranth> ouch
[12:33] <mouu> who have pc based on amd64 and with nvidia card?
[12:33] <Amaranth> mouu: Unless nVidia is providing drivers for amd64 systems now you can't get hardware acceleration.
[12:34] <MobyTurbo> mouu, I'll trade you your burdonsome AMD64 for my well-working P4 1.7GHz. Deal? ;-)
[12:34] <Lathiat> haha
[12:34] <crimsun> I have a better deal: just give me your burdensome AMD64
[12:34] <Lathiat> wood1: yeh i know the fix for that, hangon
[12:34] <wood1> Lathiat, really
[12:35] <crimsun> Amaranth: they are.
[12:35] <Amaranth> wood1: Try sudo apt-get -f install openoffice.org
[12:35] <Lathiat> wood1: try dpkg --force-all -r openoffice.org
[12:35] <Lathiat> wood1: then reinstall it
[12:35] <Amaranth> Lathiat: Ack.
[12:35] <Lathiat> Amaranth: -f fixes those problems?
[12:36] <Lathiat> didnt for me last year
[12:37] <alekandr>  can anyone help me or advise me on a method to install ubuntu, i downloaded the install iso, and then realised that my cd-writers lens is borked?
[12:37] <Amaranth> oh!
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> nfs?
[12:37] <Amaranth> wood1: apt-get --reinstall install openoffice.org
[12:37] <kremlyn> Hmm, anyone? My modified for dual screen XF86Config-4 starts with no complaints.. though the other screen just doesn't get out of suspend mode..
[12:37] <Amaranth> score
[12:38] <Lathiat> kremlyn: ah that soudns like a driver problem
[12:38] <Lathiat> kremlyn: is this a laptop?
[12:38] <Lathiat> Amaranth: that wont fix it either
[12:38] <Amaranth> Lathiat: let him try
[12:38] <tom-cat> Hi forks ! Why doesn't ubuntu team put firefox 1.0 to ubuntu main section ?
[12:38] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i've had that problem before :)
[12:38] <Lathiat> tom
[12:38] <crimsun> tom-cat: it's in Hoary.
[12:39] <Amaranth> tom-cat: It came out after woody was released.
[12:39] <crimsun> tom-cat: Warty will not get 1.0
[12:39] <kremlyn> Lathiat: It's a desktop machine.. 1 x GeForce 2 MX400 and 1 x Matrox Millenium
[12:39] <Amaranth> The point of a stable system is that it doesn't change. :P
[12:39] <Lathiat> tom-cat: it was withdrawn from the release because it was buggy
[12:39] <MobyTurbo> tom-cat, http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/ for third party packages of ff 1.0
[12:39] <tom-cat> Oh, really?
[12:39] <Amaranth> Lathiat: That was 1.0PR
[12:39] <Lathiat> Amaranth: oh was it?
[12:39] <Amaranth> yep
[12:39] <Lathiat> Amaranth: i thought it was 1.0
[12:39] <Lathiat> my bad
[12:39] <Amaranth> check the version
[12:39] <Rattboi> I got 1.0 installed easily enough on warty
[12:39] <crimsun> (it was 1.0PR)
[12:39] <Lathiat> im running hoary so i dunno :)
[12:40] <kremlyn> Lathiat: So you think a driver issue?
[12:40] <Rattboi> but also I'm on hoary now as well
[12:40] <tom-cat> Lathiat,  where I can get hoary? ;-)
[12:40] <Lathiat> kremlyn: well assumedly your matrox card doesn't handle suspending properly
[12:40] <Nexinarus> hey anyone tested enlightenment with ubuntu? Or runs a different windowmanager?
[12:40] <Rattboi> tom-cat, you running warty?
[12:40] <Lathiat> kremlyn: could be something else, but thats my best guess
[12:40] <tom-cat> yeah
[12:40] <kremlyn> Lathiat: The matrox card is the one that is working ;-)
[12:41] <caro> Nexinarus, which one ? e17 ?
[12:41] <kremlyn> The nvidia one isn't
[12:41] <Demian> hey guys, need a little help here
[12:41] <Nexinarus> any,
[12:41] <Lathiat> kremlyn: doesnt matter either way
[12:41] <tom-cat> Rattboi, yeah
[12:41] <kremlyn> Using driver "nvidia"
[12:41] <Demian> I just installed and the X server dies
[12:41] <Amaranth> tom-cat: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[12:41] <caro> i've run e17 in Xnest, but it should work without any pb
[12:41] <tom-cat> Amaranth, thanks
[12:41] <Demian> can't log on, and I don't know why but it never let me set up the root account!
[12:42] <MobyTurbo> tom-cat, you might want to just run the backport of 1.0 to warty I mentioned.
[12:42] <kremlyn> Demian: It won't, you use sudo.
[12:42] <noam> excuse me, does ubuntu support software suspend, and hiw can I use it?
[12:42] <Amaranth> tom-cat: Read it all, please.
[12:42] <Rattboi> Demian: no root user
[12:42] <Demian> is there a default password?
[12:42] <Amaranth> Demian: root account is locked.
[12:42] <Lathiat> noam: i built some kernel packages with software suspend, but they arent in by default
[12:42] <Amaranth> Demian: Use sudo
[12:42] <Rattboi> you set up some user
[12:42] <kremlyn> or
[12:42] <noam> thanks
[12:42] <Lathiat> Demian: thats in the FAQ< login as the user you setup and use "sudo su -"
[12:42] <kremlyn> sudo passwd root
[12:43] <Amaranth> Lathiat: sudo -s works too
[12:43] <Rattboi> yeah, I just use sudo -s
[12:43] <Lathiat> or that
[12:43] <Amaranth> kremlyn: ick, no reason
[12:43] <Demian> that fixes that...
[12:43] <Lathiat> anyway im off
[12:43] <Lathiat> later all
[12:43] <Amaranth> sudo -s gets you a root shell, leave the root account alone :P
[12:43] <Amaranth> later Lathiat
[12:43] <kremlyn> l8r Lathiat
[12:43] <Demian> I guess you're right about that
[12:43] <azz> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 -plow
[12:44] <kremlyn> Bugger. Neeeed dual screen :-/
[12:45] <azz> Has anyone here gotten cds from shipit?
[12:45] <kremlyn> So Xconfig is perfectly fine, but now something else is an issue.
[12:45] <MobyTurbo> azz, I have
[12:45] <kremlyn> Does one need to do anything at all in Gnome specifically?
[12:45] <Amaranth> kremlyn: You shouldn't need to.
[12:45] <Demian> thanks peeps, I'll give that a shot
[12:45] <kremlyn> Amaranth: And the nvidia driver works for all nvidia geforce 2 cards..
[12:45] <azz> Does the shipit page cange when they are sent out?
[12:46] <Amaranth> azz: Yeah, it shows how many got shipped and what day.
[12:46] <wood1> I am going crazy with this OpenOffice thing
[12:46] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove):
[12:46] <wood1>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:46] <Amaranth> wood1: sudo apt-get --reinstall install openoffice.org didn't work?
[12:46] <MobyTurbo> azz, you can find out when your particular shipment left canonical somewhere on the site, forgot where.
[12:46] <wood1> I have tried all the commands listed in this chat room
[12:47] <wood1> since the last 2 hours
[12:47] <azz> Well I ordered way before the 12th of november and mine have not been shipped...  Who writes those messages at the top of #Ubuntu^
[12:47] <MobyTurbo> azz, mine were shipped nov 8th and arrived about three weeks later.
[12:47] <MobyTurbo> hmm, make that more like two and a half.
[12:48] <Amaranth> azz: "Note: The date(s) above are the dates that when the set of shipments began shipping. It may take up to several weeks from that date for some packages to leave the factory and the package could spend several weeks in transit to some locations. We can not pinpoint the mailing date of individual packages."
[12:48] <azz> I am not complaining.  It is just that it says CD order before Nov 12 have been shipped...  You can still order...
[12:50] <MobyTurbo> azz, Mark Shuttleworth is spending over ten million of his own money to ship ubuntu CDs, I don't have any reason for complaining that they weren't shipped federal express. :-)
[12:50] <quitte> has ubuntu support for via epia motherboards? i'm having a really hard time getting dri and mpeg2 accelleration working in debian and am now at a point where i'd consider switching
[12:50] <azz> I am not compaining.
[12:51] <Amaranth> quitte: It's the same as Debian.
[12:51] <MobyTurbo> quitte, ubuntu includes binary ati and nvidia drivers.
[12:51] <Amaranth> quitte: But that's a Linux driver thing, I would think.
[12:52] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, not quite, it has some binary drivers in "restricted"
[12:52] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: I believe the epia mobo has a chip for mpeg2 decompression.
[12:52] <wood1> Amaranth, I  am using Hoary
[12:52] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, interesting.
[12:53] <quitte> there are free drivers for epia. unichrome.sf.net
[12:53] <wood1> Does anybody here knows how to remove or reinstall OpenOffice.org by HOOK or by CROOK
[12:53] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: If that's the case you would need a driver to feed data to the chip and hopefully be able to DMA it right from the chip to the video card.
[12:53] <Amaranth> wood1: just use sudo dpkg --force-all -r openoffice.org
[12:54] <Amaranth> wood1: Lathiat said to awhile ago but I wanted to make sure it was the final option.
[12:54] <wood1> Well I get another Error
[12:55] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove): cannot remove `/usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/www-graf/redat.gif': Permission denied
[12:55] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing: openoffice.org
[12:55] <azz> wood1: did you use sudo?
[12:55] <wood1> I am logged in as ROOT
[12:56] <wood1> The funny thing is that there is no "redat.gif" file !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:56] <Amaranth> ugh
[12:56] <Amaranth> that is rather fscked
[12:56] <wood1> What could be wrong with my PC ?
[12:56] <Amaranth> No clue.
[12:57] <Amaranth> The joys of using hoary. :)
[12:57] <olvesh> I am in need of some help.. I got a FS Scaleo T box which I now have ubuntu on. Most of the things work, but I have a hard time using the dvd recorder, and an USB Cardreader. Are there any hickups using dbus-1/hal/udev in 2.6.8.1-3-686? I am using wart btw.
[12:57] <MobyTurbo> wood1, one thing that's wrong with it is that you're running X as root.
[12:58] <crimsun> wood1: does dpkg -l openoffice.org|grep ^ii|awk -F' ' '{print $3}' return 1.1.3-3?
[12:58] <wood1> MobyTurbo: I am using:    sudo -s
[12:58] <olvesh> Some combinations of restarting dbus-1/hal and udev make the cardreader work, but I haven't found any system in the mess..
[12:58] <crimsun> wood1: err, I meant 1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4
[12:59] <olvesh> As for the dvdrecorder, nautilus-cd-burner doesn't give me the option to burn to anything but a file image.
[12:59] <mouu> can I use kernel vanilla?
[12:59] <MobyTurbo> wood1, Oh, that's different...
[01:00] <wood1> crimsun, do I don't understand the command
[01:00] <wood1> after the grep ^ii
[01:02] <Amaranth> olvesh: nautilus-cd-burner is garbage
[01:02] <crimsun> wood1: it filters the version string
[01:02] <Amaranth> but pretty much the only burner app worth anything right now is k3b
[01:02] <thomas_> can someone help me with my network pb  please ?
[01:02] <MobyTurbo> wood1, awk is picking the column where the version field is displayed.
[01:03] <MobyTurbo> wood1, and grep, ICYDK, is searching for a regular expression, ii at the beginning of a line
[01:04] <wood1> crimsun: can you please type the part after ^ii | awk -F
[01:04] <Amaranth> MobyTurbo: that returns "1.1.3-2.3ubunt" for me
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> Amaranth, 'm running warty so it's kind of irrelveant. :-) Mine is1.1.2-2ubuntu6
[01:06] <MobyTurbo> oops, bad cut and paste.
[01:07] <wood1> The strange part is :     apt-get update     works fine
[01:07] <wood1> Only after:     apt-get upgrade     give the errors
[01:08] <wood1> Please, Can somebody look at my Errors at: http://pastebin.com/126489
[01:12] <Oly_mk2> hi, just got nice new ubuntu system working :)
[01:13] <wood1> That's good for you
[01:13] <Oly_mk2> first major problems is second monitor what do you use to set that up ?
[01:13] <Oly_mk2> any one know its an nvidia card
[01:14] <Oly_mk2> at the moments it just flashes strange scrambled colours :p
[01:14] <Oly_mk2> very distracting
[01:14] <Amaranth> wow i'm such a geek
[01:15] <Amaranth> it's 6:15am and its my birthday but i've been up all night helping people in here :P
[01:15] <joolz> Amaranth: congrats!
[01:15] <wood1> Happy Birthday Amaranth
[01:15] <olvesh> Amaranth: congrats, now log off and go get a bear..
[01:15] <joolz> or better a beer
[01:15] <olvesh> oh, 6.15. AM
[01:16] <Oly_mk2> happy birthday,
[01:16] <wood1> Crimsun, the version of my OpenOffice is: openoffice.org-bin_1.1.3-2.3ubuntu4_i386.deb)
[01:16] <joolz> or better than that: two beers!
[01:16] <Amaranth> joolz: I just hit the age where smoking is legal, beer might be a bad idea right now. ;)
[01:16] <Oly_mk2> just a beer surealy you men lots of beers
[01:16] <joolz> Amaranth: :)
[01:16] <joolz> Amaranth: well, light up then!
[01:16] <Amaranth> I did 3 minutes ago. :P
[01:16] <wood1> Now can I install Ubuntu from a Network ?
[01:17] <Amaranth> I was staying up so I could go buy some at midnight.
[01:17] <Amaranth> Then I just stayed up longer.
[01:17] <joolz> ah, the milestones in a human life :)
[01:17] <wood1> Are you in America right now ?
[01:17] <Amaranth> yeah
[01:17] <Amaranth> central time, iowa
[01:17] <Rattboi> 6:17 there
[01:17] <wood1> Pres. Bush should thank you
[01:18] <Amaranth> why?
[01:18] <wood1> 18:03 here
[01:18] <Rattboi> for being in a bush state
[01:18] <wood1> Well your state got him the seat for the white house
[01:19] <Amaranth> no, that was ohio
[01:19] <Amaranth> iowa wasn't even counted until about 4 days after they called the election
[01:19] <Amaranth> it was too close to call
[01:19] <wood1> Oh, nevermind, He won
[01:19] <wood1> It's it
[01:19] <Amaranth> i thought you were going to say something about being 18 and the military
[01:20] <wood1> Well I do hope you are not sacred
[01:20] <wood1> Why is America so divided about the Iraq thing ?
[01:21] <Amaranth> wood1: They lied to us and the rest of the world to justify attacking.
[01:21] <wood1> Well that depends on person to person
[01:21] <Amaranth> Said they had hard evidence of WMDs, with pictures.
[01:22] <Amaranth> Was all fake.
[01:22] <wood1> If he or she is a Republican, Pres. Bush did not lie
[01:22] <wood1> If he or she is a Democrat, that Pres. Bush lied
[01:22] <wood1> Everything is fair in Love and War
[01:22] <Amaranth> What if he or she is neither? :)
[01:23] <Tomcat_> I'm neither democrat nor republican. :)
[01:23] <Amaranth> badnarik for president!
[01:23] <wood1> Then it's what our six sense tells us
[01:24] <Amaranth> stupid t_vertex
[01:24] <olvesh> Would you vote for nader then?
[01:24] <Amaranth> olvesh: No, Badnarik. :P
[01:24] <wood1> Anyway, do cut the story short,  how do I install Ubuntu over a Network ?
[01:24] <olvesh> whos that. Further left'?
[01:25] <Amaranth> Libertarian
[01:25] <Amaranth> wood1: I don't think you can.
[01:25] <wood1> Why
[01:25] <wood1> Try me
[01:25] <streuner> wood1: do you believe still iraq had something to do with 11/09?
[01:26] <olvesh> Everybody knows (or should know) that there is no connection there.
[01:31] <olvesh> ok, nuff politics.. About my usb-cardreader, I just found out I have to restart hotplug for the cf card to be found, is there a way around that?
[01:33] <wood1> Well I don't know, streunner
[01:34] <wood1> In fact, I want to know how to install Ubuntu over a Network ?
[01:34] <pisuke> anyone knows if ubuntu cvs executable supports proxy and proxyport? something like this cvs -d
[01:34] <pisuke> :pserver;proxy=www;proxyport=8080:me@there.somedomain:/somerepository
[01:37] <Adrenal> how can i create custom keyboard launcher shortcuts?
[01:38] <theine> is anybody using the debian kernel (i.e. kernel-image-*)?
[01:39] <wood1> hey theine, how do I install Ubuntu over a Network
[01:39] <streuner> wood1: http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/6786561.htm?1c
[01:40] <theine> wood1: do you mean an ftp-install or really boot over the network?
[01:40] <daniels> guys, politics is off-topic here.
[01:40] <wood1> Wow, ftp-install sounds Great
[01:40] <arno_> hi, I would like to known something about Ubuntu.
[01:41] <wood1> Yes daniels
[01:41] <wood1> You are right
[01:41] <arno_> I read that ubuntu works woth Gnome. Is it possible to change that easily?
[01:41] <wood1> Hey, theine, how do I install Ubuntu from Ftp ?
[01:41] <theine> wood1: yeah, but i don't think there is a ubuntu netinst iso
[01:41] <theine> wood1: you can't i'm afraid
[01:41] <wood1> Oh
[01:42] <theine> wood1: there is a netboot image though
[01:42] <theine> wood1: but i never did that so i can't tell you much about it
[01:42] <wood1> Can I install Ubuntu from a Windows Network PC ?
[01:42] <theine> wood1: could be, i don't know
[01:43] <wood1> Because my Hoary PC is most probably broken, and that machine does not have a CD-Drive
[01:43] <theine> wood1: why don't you do it the usual way
[01:43] <theine> wood1: oh
[01:43] <theine> wood1: well how did you get ubuntu installed in the first place?
[01:44] <wood1> I removed the CD-ROM from any PC and plugged it into the Hoary Machine
[01:44] <theine> wood1: perhaps you should do that again
[01:44] <theine> wood1: or by a cdrom-drive for 20 bucks
[01:46] <wood1> Well I am not the CEO of my company, I don't get to decide that kind of thing
[01:46] <theine> wood1: only once or what?
[01:47] <wood1> So it's a hassle to go to somebody else's PC, then remove the CD-ROM Drive and mount it on the Hoary Machine
[01:47] <theine> wood1: i can see that in a way
[01:48] <wood1> So the Hoary Machine is broken, how do I install Ubuntu in it once again
[01:48] <theine> wood1: what's broken?
[01:48] <wood1> without a CD-ROM, but I do have broadband connection
[01:49] <wood1> Well it seems that I have misused that Hoary Machine alot
[01:49] <theine> how?
[01:49] <wood1> I did all kinds of things to it and now I am in the middle of nowhere
[01:49] <wood1> Like the US troops in Iraq
[01:50] <theine> i see
[01:50] <wood1> So if I could install Ubuntu once again, it would be nice.
[01:50] <caro> i would like to know if i could use the packages that are in debian-marillat with ubuntu. Is it possible ?
[01:51] <wood1> So if somebody could do tell me if there is any way to install Ubuntu over a Network or directly from an FTP site, that would be great
[01:51] <theine> wood1: would be possible with debian but i think you have to have cdrom to install ubuntu
[01:54] <theine> wood1: is there free space on your harddisk left?
[01:55] <SmokingFire> wood1: install debian then upgrade to ubuntu?
[01:56] <ChrisH> The Warty CD does not boot in a server that works well with e.g. Knoppix. Is there a way I can start with Knoppix and then swap CDs?
[01:56] <theine> SmokingFire: is upgrading from sarge actually kind of supported?
[01:56] <ChrisH> theine: yes, there is a page on the wiki about it... but don't do it unless you really need to :)
[01:56] <SmokingFire> theine: I have no idea
[01:57] <theine> ChrisH: no no, I sure won't
[01:57] <wood1> But I found  installing Debian to be a little hard
[01:57] <ChrisH> theine: the sarge and warty versions are similar so you may be lucky. But it's not really recommended.
[01:57] <theine> ChrisH: what do you get when you boot the warty install cd?
[01:58] <pisuke> ChrisH, maybe you could try the ubuntu live cd.
[01:58] <ChrisH> "boot sector not found" :)
[01:58] <ChrisH> pisuke: don't have it here currently... left it at work
[01:58] <ChrisH> Next thing would be to screw out the server and install another CD-ROM because the CD works on any other system.
[01:58] <theine> ChrisH: that is what the bios tells you i guess?
[01:58] <ChrisH> theine: I think so.
[01:59] <theine> ChrisH: and the very same CD works on other systems?
[01:59] <ChrisH> yup
[01:59] <theine> ChrisH: and other bootable cd's work on that server?
[02:00] <ChrisH> theine: at least knoppix does
[02:00] <theine> ChrisH: how odd...
[02:01] <SmokingFire> wood1: on slashdot they showed the new debian installer, which is exactly like the one ubuntu uses.
[02:02] <theine> wood1: and there are debian installer images for usb memory sticks and so on
[02:03] <theine> is anybody using the debian kernel image (i.e. kernel-image-*)?
[02:04] <ChrisH> Even the old woody CD is booting. Very weird...
[02:05] <Syberius> is anyone able to tell me how I can get my USB MP3 player to show in linux, the hard drive part of it. the device settings say it is connected
[02:06] <ChrisH> Syberius: you should see another icon on the desktop if hotplug detected it
[02:06] <Syberius> and if it didnt?
[02:06] <ChrisH> Syberius: try the menu "Computer" and then "Drives" - does it show up?
[02:06] <Syberius> nope
[02:06] <Syberius> it is an oracom one,
[02:07] <ChrisH> Syberius: No idea. both my USB card reader for SD cards and my MP3 player (Acer) work out of the box.
[02:07] <Syberius> i found an ariticle about getting their devices working but it involved doing a make menuconfig on the kernel source (which I can find)
[02:07] <Syberius> *cant
[02:10] <theine> Syberius: I would guess you don't have to do the menuconfig stuff
[02:10] <theine> Syberius: what does dmesg tell you?
[02:17] <Syberius> theine: new full speed USB device using address 4, then it says its using full SCSI emulation
[02:18] <Syberius> last line it gave me was :USB Mass Storage device found at 4
[02:18] <theine> Syberius: do you see anything like /dev/sda, /dev/sda1,... in that output?
[02:18] <Syberius> no
[02:19] <theine> Syberius: which kernel are you using?
[02:19] <Syberius> ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386
[02:19] <theine> Syberius: what's that webpage you were talking about?
[02:20] <Syberius> http://software.lpetrov.net/dion-mx/
[02:20] <Syberius> only problem is it is 2 years out of date
[02:21] <qqq> hi
[02:21] <Gmail> yo
[02:21] <qqq> somebody can tell me hoarty's repository?
[02:22] <qqq> can somebody tell me hoarty's repository?
[02:22] <theine> ok, do you see something like "sda: ..." in the dmesg output?
[02:22] <kent> qqq, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[02:23] <Syberius> theine: no, just the 3 lines i mentioned
[02:23] <qqq> thanks
[02:23] <theine> Syberius: what does "lsmod | grep usb" give you?
[02:24] <theine> Syberius: nothing?
[02:24] <qqq> I must wait Aprl 2005?
[02:25] <Syberius> what would i be looking for, there is a usb_storage on the ide core...
[02:25] <Syberius> scsi_mod has usb_storage
[02:25] <Syberius> usb_core has it
[02:26] <theine> Syberius: so that should be fine
[02:26] <theine> Syberius: does /dev/sda exist?
[02:26] <Syberius> i just cant get it it mount
[02:26] <Syberius> nope
[02:27] <theine> Syberius: and re-plugging the thing doesn't help either?
[02:27] <Syberius> mount: special device /dev/sda does not exist (same for sda1) and I have tried that too
[02:27] <Syberius> (taking it out and putting it back in again)
[02:28] <theine> Syberius: I don't think I can help you then
[02:29] <Syberius> thats ok, thanks for trying
[02:29] <theine> Syberius: sure
[02:29] <kent> Is it considered a bug if i cant get shared-admin to work in Ubuntu Hoary using vmware? I have tried to get it to work for several times but always gets a message about wrong password, and im sure its the correct password im entering. The problem have been there for some upgrades now.
[02:30] <Jazumi> hi
[02:30] <Jazumi> ive read that ubuntu is debian based, so it has apt, isnt it?
[02:31] <theine> Jazumi: it sure has
[02:31] <Jazumi> and what is its default desktop environtment?
[02:31] <theine> Jazumi: Gnome 2.8
[02:31] <Jazumi> wow nice :D
[02:31] <Jazumi> thank you ;)
[02:31] <theine> you're welcome
[02:31] <Jazumi> does it comes with kernel 2.6.9 or later?
[02:32] <Syberius> how would I go about installing a .bin file (aMSN installer)
[02:32] <theine> it comes with 2.6.8.1
[02:32] <Jazumi> ouch >.<
[02:32] <Jazumi> i have problems with that kernel
[02:32] <Jazumi> i can make pings
[02:32] <theine> Syberius: make it executable: chmod +x *.bin
[02:32] <Jazumi> but i can not visit webpages and make apt-get
[02:32] <theine> Jazumi: I think there is a fix for that
[02:33] <Jazumi> can you help me?
[02:33] <theine> Jazumi: could be, if i find that again
[02:33] <theine> Jazumi: has something to do with broken routers
[02:33] <Jazumi> i think the problem is cuz of iptables, not sure
[02:33] <Jazumi> my router isnt broken :P
[02:33] <Jazumi> with 2.6.7 or 2.6.9 kernel it works fine
[02:34] <theine> Jazumi: have a look at http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/
[02:34] <Jazumi> okej
[02:34] <Jazumi> thank you :)
[02:35] <theine> Jazumi: ok, ``broken'' is a bit harsh
[02:35] <Jazumi> oks i understand you now ;)
[02:35] <Syberius> and yet one more stupid question, how can I add launchers to the application menu (like nautilius --browser) for exampele?
[02:36] <theine> Jazumi: no problem
[02:43] <kent> Syberius, in nautilus, choose open location and type "applications:///! without the " ".  That way you can add/remove things in the menu.
[02:47] <Syberius> thanks
[02:47] <jjgan> hi
[02:47] <jjgan> some body can help me about a connexion problem to a xorg server ?
[02:48] <Gmail|SLEEP> Syberius: or add x menu's support for gnome and uses cfve's menu editor
[02:48] <jjgan> (sorry for my bad english)
[02:51] <Gmail|SLEEP> jjgan: ask away
[02:51] <Gmail|SLEEP> night
[02:52] <kent> Syberius, i hope you understood that i ment "applications:///" and not "applications:///!    :)
[02:53] <kent> Gmail|SLEEP, what do you meen with x menu's support?
[02:54] <jordi> mako: dude I'm leaving in about 10 mins. I arrive at BCN at 7, at Matar at 8 or so I guess.
[02:55] <Gmail|SLEEP> kent: x.org set a standard for menus
[02:57] <kent> Gmail|SLEEP, Its not possible to use that with Ubuntu warty is it? Since warty dont come with x.org :(
[03:00] <Rattboi> kent, that would be correct
[03:00] <Rattboi> won't work with warty
[03:01] <johane> what does x.org have to do with menus?
[03:03] <Rattboi> apparently Gmail|SLEEP said that x.org set a standard for menus
[03:03] <kent> x.org and the menu's has to do with freedesktop.org.
[03:03] <bob2> please just ignore GMAIL
[03:03] <johane> kent, yeah
[03:03] <bob2> x.org is not one of his specialities
[03:04] <Rattboi> yeah, that's what I was about to say
[03:04] <Syberius> how can I configure samba?
[03:04] <Rattboi> maybe he meant freedesktop's menu standard
[03:05] <johane> probably, so it doesn't require x.org at all, rather a cvs version of gnome
[03:05] <cardador> Syberius: sudo gedit /etc/samba/smb.conf
[03:05] <bob2> I suspect he was just making it up
[03:05] <Rattboi> lol
[03:05] <Rattboi> does he do that a lot?
[03:05] <johane> heh :O
[03:05] <cardador> Syberius: if you want gui, install Swat
[03:07] <kent> (sorry for asking again) If i have problems using shares-admin in Ubuntu Hoary in vmware, should that be regarded as a bug right now? Its been there over a few upgrades now. It complains about bad password, but i know its the correct. And it seems to have other issues as well when i start from a root terminal.
[03:08] <bob2> Jazumi: please turn that off
[03:09] <Syberius> if an application has crashed and wont close, how can you force it to?
[03:09] <bob2> "xkill"
[03:10] <Syberius> now that is funky, wish windows had that, would have saved me hours of work over the years
[03:11] <bob2> note that not all processes can be killed
[03:11] <bob2> it's possible for them to hang in such a way that the kernel is unable to destroy them
[03:12] <magnon> kent: File a bug in bugzilla, and you'll get comments from there :)
[03:12] <cardador> has anyone noticed some problems with hoary recently? namely usb devices
[03:12] <magnon> cardador: yeah, I have. It doesn't show up on the desktop anymore
[03:12] <magnon> haven't bothered to look into it yet
[03:12] <Jazumi> (bob2): sorry
[03:13] <Jazumi> good bye everybody ;P
[03:13] <cardador> magnon: but do they mount and unmount normally?
[03:13] <magnon> let me check
[03:14] <JStrike> How can I see re-run any scripts that apt runs?
[03:15] <magnon> well, thing is, I have to unplug and replug the usb card reader to make it mount
[03:15] <magnon> but then everything works
[03:15] <magnon> well, I get the "import photos" dialog, but nautilus still doesn't see it
[03:15] <magnon> JStrike: you want to see them, or re-run then?
[03:16] <magnon> like, you can run things as dpkg-reconfigure <package>
[03:17] <JStrike> magnon : See them preferably. There were instructions I want to read again
[03:17] <magnon> you mean that when you install a package, you get a dialog asking you what to do?
[03:17] <magnon> not actually see the script (source code), but do what the script does once more
[03:17] <magnon> that's dpkg-reconfigure
[03:18] <Falstius> magnon, I think what he really wants is a log of the output
[03:18] <JStrike> magnon : No. After/during installing it gave me instructions on something I had to do after it was installed. But I forgot what it  was I had to do
[03:19] <magnon> Ah.
[03:20] <magnon> JStrike: sorry, I moved to debian when switching to ubuntu at first, so I don't know dpkg that well
[03:20] <JStrike> Damn
[03:24] <Falstius> JStrike, the cheap and ugly way is probably to just do less on the .deb
[03:25] <Falstius> or go to the softwares website and read the howto/faq
[03:25] <JStrike> That is what I am busy sitting though at the moment
[03:25] <Falstius> what is the software?
[03:26] <JStrike> MythTV
[03:26] <garcia> Hiya... just trying the ubuntu distributions. Got a question: Can I play a DVD if I'm loading the Live CD in my laptop, you know, I only have one CDrom in the laptop.
[03:26] <Falstius> garcia, I thought ubuntu had dvd playback disabled by default.
[03:28] <MobyTurbo> garcia, if you can add software to the live CD go to the address in the "RestrictedFormats" page of the wiki mentioned in the /topic and follow the instructions there.
[03:28] <garcia> Well Faltsius, I really dont know. I just tried the Live CD so far, and fired up the Totem player... but haven-t been able to see it through because the DVD player is "locked" because the system software is running from there.
[03:29] <Falstius> huh, I've never used the ubuntu liveCD, but with other distros I could eject the CD while using it.
[03:30] <garcia> MobyT thank you, I do not understand though how could adding software to the live CD would help me in reading the DVD.
[03:30] <iglo1> has anyone else noticed Xinerama changing behaviour from stable to unstable?
[03:30] <thomas_> i've go a problem with my network, help please :'--(
[03:30] <Falstius> garcia, ubuntu doesn't support DVD playback out of the box for legal reasons so you have to install some extra software first.
[03:31] <garcia> Faltsius: I see.
[03:32] <garcia> Let me check the wiki page then.
[03:32] <hypegt> anyone know how to add startup programs with hoary?
[03:32] <thomas_> i've just install the ubuntu. During the installation the ubuntu connect to internet to download update..  all seems to be good.  when reboot, and back to X .. network doesn't work  :(( why ?
[03:33] <thomas_> help please
[03:34] <garcia> thomas_ im no buntu expert, but I guess your installation somewhat improvises an ad hoc network configuration perhaps? Whereas when your sistem is in production state, you have to configure net by yourself?
[03:34] <thomas_> I've try to change route, .. ifconfig .. but th eproblem is the same
[03:34] <garcia> thomas how much of an experience you have? Oh, I see, you-ve tried some stuff but havent succeeded?
[03:34] <iglo1> I understand this could be a problem with about 1000 things that really aren't related to ubuntu at all, but I don't know where else to look.
[03:34] <thomas_> garcia, I've tryc to change IP .. route ..
[03:34] <JStrike> Has anybody managed to get MythTV working on Ubuntu?
[03:35] <wood1> Hello thomas
[03:35] <thomas_> hello wood1
[03:35] <wood1> Hello garcia
[03:35] <Rattboi> yo all
[03:35] <wood1> I have a serious problem in Hoary
[03:35] <wood1> Hi Rattboi
[03:35] <Rattboi> really? tell me about it :P
[03:35] <garcia> Hi wood1
[03:35] <Rattboi> does it have to do with OpenOffice?
[03:35] <Rattboi> or resolutions?
[03:35] <wood1> Bingo, yes
[03:35] <wood1> I am going nuts today
[03:36] <Falstius> thomas, what does /sbin/ifconfig output?  could you post it to  http://paste.plone.org
[03:36] <wood1> How can I reinstall OpenOffice
[03:36] <HWolf> boot synaptic, and flag openoffice for reinstallation
[03:36] <HWolf> or apt-get reinstall <packagename>
[03:36] <Rattboi> HWolf, no good
[03:37] <Rattboi> he was here a few hours ago
[03:37] <Rattboi> somethings seriously wrong
[03:37] <HWolf> first purge openoffice, then reinstall
[03:37] <cyrus-tc> where are the dynamically loadable php modules in warty? i can't run phpMyAdmin :/
[03:37] <wood1> Hi  HWolf,  have also tried that .. it did not work
[03:37] <spity> cyrus-tc: /usr/lib/php
[03:38] <HWolf> woodl, are you running hoary?
[03:38] <cyrus-tc> spity, thx i ll take a look ;)
[03:38] <Rattboi> HWolf: iirc, he got stuck purging at some image file, and it was a permission problem, but he was root
[03:38] <wood1> Yes HWolf
[03:38] <garcia> Ok guys, I'm checking this about Restricted Formats. Im curios as to whether I could play the DVD at the same time I had the system running in the same drive for the Live CD? I guess it could be done, but perhaps some special boot procedures and config might be needed for an alternate Live CD to work like that?
[03:38] <wood1> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org (--remove): Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[03:38] <wood1> Errors were encountered while processing: openoffice.orgE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:39] <cyrus-tc> spity, no - there is no dir
[03:39] <wood1> Can somebody explain to me what the above statement means ?
[03:39] <HWolf> Ugh, what the hell have those evil people done to ooo. :-S
[03:40] <HWolf> woodl, I can run ooo, but it's damn ugly. :-S
[03:40] <garcia> thomas, well, good luck, I suppose you could get always help from the net howto as well... start with simple detection, like Ping, etc, and go all the way up: try detecting firewall or other issues, etc. Yes, of course, the first thing that should be working is the eth0 :-)
[03:40] <cardador> HWolf: install openoffice.org-gtk-gnome :)
[03:41] <thomas_> garcia, I ping my own card, but not my router who is on the same switch.
[03:41] <thomas_> no cables problems
[03:41] <thomas_> ifconfig tell me that all seems to be ok.
[03:41] <thomas_> route too.
[03:41] <thomas_> so that's why I'm a little bit nervous ;(
[03:42] <wood1> Ok I give up on that problem, I will reinstall Ubuntu, but the problem here is that I don't have a local CD Drive
[03:42] <wood1> How can I install Ubuntu from a Network
[03:42] <HWolf> Is there anyone here good at configuring alsa?
[03:43] <Rattboi> wood1: you have another computer with Ubuntu on it?
[03:43] <wood1> Yes I am now on a Machine with Warty
[03:43] <Rattboi> ok, just a sec
[03:43] <Rattboi> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[03:45] <JStrike> So it seems MythTV doesn't run under Ubuntu
[03:46] <wood1> Rattboi, can I install Ubuntu from FTP ?
[03:46] <wood1> thanks for the link, I am looking at it now
[03:46] <HWolf> Can anyone here help me figure out why my ALSA is broken?
[03:47] <cyrus-tc> spity, i ve figured out - you have to add the universe packages to install "php4-mysql" .. can't understand why this package is not accessible in restricted warty...
[03:47] <cyrus-tc> then the path for "extension_dir" is "./usr/lib/php4/20020429/"
[03:48] <Rattboi> HWolf: Myth packages are in the multiverse
[03:50] <Rattboi> but you have to compile xmltv
[03:50] <Rattboi> http://www.dme.org/log/2004/11/29/mythtv
[03:51] <HWolf> rattboi, I don't want mith, I want my system and rhytmbox music.
[03:51] <HWolf> :-)
[03:51] <Rattboi> rhythmbox?
[03:51] <Rattboi> I got that working this evening
[03:51] <Rattboi> I prefer beep media player though
[03:51] <garcia> Hey thomas, sorry for ignoring your question. I was out. While I cannot be sure of the cause of your problem, I could say Ive had a weird problem once where despite all machines were connected to the same hub, some of them would not talk to some others. :-\ Dunno if it applies to your problem. Well guys, gotta leave. Thank you.
[03:51] <freemymind> sorry to keep asking about this just need to know , does anyone have phpBB2 working? I finally got phpmyadmin working and still fighting with pnpBB2
[03:52] <Rattboi> oh, I guess I meant JStrike
[03:52] <HWolf> rattboi, I don't even have the system sounds at the moment...
[03:52] <wood1> Rattboi, I can SSH to the Hoary Machine, can something be done from this Machine to reinstall Ubuntu on the problematic PC ?
[03:52] <Rattboi> wood1: I really don't know
[03:52] <Rattboi> I've never done any SSH stuff
[03:53] <HWolf> rattboi, you can't do a clean install with an ssh connection. You need to keep the ssh server running on the pc you're working on, as soon as it goes down in a kernel reboot or whatever, you get kicked out.
[03:54] <Rattboi> yeah, makes sense
[03:55] <wood1> Well can I control the install process from a remote Machine
[03:55] <HWolf> Ofcourse, you could, if you scripted everything you wanted done, executed them, then beg you can get back in when it's done, but that's a difficult, and b risky.
[03:55] <beezly> do any of the hoary daily cd installers supporting root raid yet?
[03:55] <wood1> HWofl,  Can you teach me How to do that?
[03:56] <HWolf> woodl, I'd not try a full re-install of the system remotely, but you can ofcourse mess around, aslong as the network and ssh stay up, you'll be fine.
[03:56] <Amaranth> wood1: Let me get you a Debian network install guide
[03:56] <Amaranth> it might apply to ubuntu
[03:56] <HWolf> woodl, No, i couldn't.
[03:56] <HWolf> That might work.
[03:56] <Amaranth> by network install i mean SSH into the computer you're installing on
[03:57] <Amaranth> wood1: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
[03:57] <wood1> Wow Amaranth, that sounds great
[03:58] <Pugio> Question
[03:58] <Pugio> might actually be related to the current topic
[03:58] <Pugio> I am trying to do a netboot install of Ubuntu on a machine I have
[03:58] <Pugio> but I'm a bit confused
[03:58] <Amaranth> wood1: instead of a debootstrap rpm pull the deb off the ubuntu isntall CD
[03:59] <Pugio> Do I need internet access to perform a netboot install?
[03:59] <Pugio> All I want to do is perform an installation exactly like the CD... only a netboo
[03:59] <Amaranth> you mean to boot from a NFS volume?
[03:59] <Pugio> which I have no idea how to do
[04:00] <Pugio> I have one computer that already has Ubuntu on it
[04:00] <Pugio> the other (target/client) computer has no CD/floppy drive, but it does have netboot capability
[04:00] <Pugio> I want to put ubuntu on this machine
[04:00] <Pugio> But I'mm not sure how
[04:04] <wood1> Well Amaranth, the problem of installing from an Ubuntu CD is that my problematic Hoary Machine does not have a CD nor a Floppy drive
[04:04] <Pugio> Same here
[04:04] <Amaranth> wood1: You aren't installing from CD.
[04:04] <Pugio> :(
[04:04] <mirak> I can't make lilo boot on the windows install wich is on the slave disk. however I can boot windows, when choosing to boot on this slave disk from the bios
[04:04] <zenwhen> If you need to do a net install Perhpas Debian is the answer.
[04:05] <zenwhen> perhaps*
[04:05] <Pugio> ?
[04:05] <Pugio> how so?
[04:05] <zenwhen> Because Ubuntu does not support net installs.
[04:05] <zenwhen> At all.
[04:05] <Amaranth> wood1: Pull the debootstrap deb off the CD on the machine you're using to SSH
[04:05] <mirak> is it possible to make lilo boot on the second disk ?
[04:05] <Amaranth> zenwhen: That isn't true.
[04:05] <zenwhen> How do you do a net install?
[04:05] <Pugio> zenwhen: then how come there's a netboot directory on the ubuntu cd?
[04:05] <zenwhen> That was the answer I got when I asked.
[04:05] <Pugio> ahem
[04:05] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791/Netboot%20InstallHowto
[04:06] <Amaranth> exactly :P
[04:06] <Pugio> I would like to draw your attention to the following directory on the i386 install CD
[04:06] <zenwhen> Oh cool
[04:06] <zenwhen> Well I was misled.
[04:06] <Pugio> "/install/netboot"
[04:06] <Pugio> now, the problem is, I'm not actually sure how to do this
[04:06] <zenwhen> wow welcome to three minute ago
[04:06] <Amaranth> ok, damn
[04:07] <Amaranth> it needs a floppy drive
[04:07] <Falstius> could do it with a usb key
[04:07] <Amaranth> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-11-26.2137127791
[04:07] <wood1> Wow, I read that stuff in: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html
[04:07] <Amaranth> its for an IBM laptop but if you can netboot you know how to do that step
[04:07] <Amaranth> wood1: and?
[04:08] <wood1> That seems a pretty long process
[04:08] <Amaranth> it's a huge hack
[04:08] <Pugio> a usb key?
[04:08] <Pugio> I have a usb key, how can I do it with that?
[04:08] <wood1> I guess I have to remove the CD drive and just mount it on the problematic Hoary Machine
[04:08] <Amaranth> wood1: i can guide you through parts you don't understand
[04:08] <Falstius> usb memory stick.  Some of them can be made bootable
[04:08] <Pugio> right, but my bios doesn't support that:(
[04:09] <Amaranth> Pugio: Read that second link I gave you.
[04:09] <Falstius> then what are you doing with a computer without CD, floppy or USB boot support?
[04:09] <Amaranth> Falstius: It could be a laptop.
[04:09] <wood1> Amaranth, the main problem that I have been having in the Hoary Machine is that I get a screen resolution of only 640 x 480
[04:09] <Pugio> No it's a normal desktop/tower
[04:09] <Pugio> problem is the CD drive and floppy drive both broke
[04:09] <Pugio> As I said however, it does have netboot capabilities
[04:10] <Pugio> only the newest BIOS's have usb boot capability
[04:10] <Amaranth> wood1: and? i meant i could guide you through the ssh ubuntu install :P
[04:10] <wood1> Till yesterday, the problematic Hoary Machine's screen resolution worked fine in 1024 x 768 mode
[04:10] <Falstius> sorry, I've never played with netboot outside of embedded controllers in VME crates.
[04:10] <wood1> I did something that I can't remember that made my screen resolution to 640 x 480
[04:10] <Pugio> Amaranth: I had read that link, but I still have a question: Do I need the internet for this?
[04:11] <Amaranth> Pugio: hrm
[04:11] <Amaranth> no idea
[04:11] <Pugio> I mean, all I want to do is do a "normal" cd install  ala netboot
[04:11] <Amaranth> doesn't seem to need to
[04:11] <wood1> Amaranth, as I said, the OpenOffice problem is a minor thing, it's the resolution that matters to me more
[04:12] <wood1> Do you have any clue why my screen resolution is limited only to 640 x 480 ?
[04:12] <Amaranth> wood1: Computer -> System Configuration -> Screen Resolution can't increase it?
[04:12] <Falstius> wood, probably using the wrong driver in /etx/X11/XF86config
[04:12] <Amaranth> wood1: do you use a binary ATI or nVidia driver for video?
[04:12] <Falstius> most likely vga instead of whatever your hardware is
[04:12] <wood1> Yes it can't
[04:12] <Amaranth> your kernel could have gotten updated
[04:13] <Amaranth> which means you need to reinstall the binary driver
[04:13] <wood1> My Video card is an inbuilt Intel 810 graphics card
[04:13] <Amaranth> ok, ouch
[04:13] <Amaranth> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:14] <Amaranth> until it asks you for Advanced, Medium, Easy or whatever you can usually just accept the defaults
[04:14] <wood1> I did that a few times but I am still facing the same 640 x 480 problem
[04:14] <Amaranth> when you get to that choice choose Medium and pick a nice large resolution
[04:14] <Amaranth> ok, no clue then
[04:14] <Amaranth> this is why you run warty :P
[04:14] <wood1> Yes, what after the Advanced thing ?
[04:15] <Amaranth> don't pick advanced
[04:15] <Amaranth> pick medium
[04:15] <Falstius> why is everyone trying to run hoary?  seems it is still rather unstable.
[04:15] <Rattboi> Falstius, because it's funner :P
[04:15] <Amaranth> Falstius: I have a feeling a lot of them are Debian sid people that switched for GNOME 2.8.
[04:16] <Falstius> Rattboi, maybe I should rephrase, why are a bunch of noobs trying to run an unstable distro?
[04:16] <wood1> Now regarding the limited 640 x 480 resolution in Hoary, is that due to XOrg or my Video Card ?
[04:16] <wood1> Well I am using Hoary just for fun on a test machine
[04:16] <Amaranth> Falstius: XComposite :P
[04:16] <Amaranth> wood1: nfi, i stick to older radeon cards and the dri project
[04:16] <Rattboi> wood1: it's not x.org
[04:17] <wood1> Then it's my Video card
[04:17] <Falstius> Amaranth, freeDesktop.org eye candy?
[04:17] <Rattboi> if x.org only supported 640x480, nobody would use it
[04:17] <Amaranth> Falstius: Yeah, shadows and transparency.
[04:17] <Amaranth> Real shadows and real transparency.
[04:17] <wood1> As I said it was working fine on a resolution of 1024 x 768 till yesterday
[04:17] <Falstius> gah.  *running xfce, eye candy light*
[04:18] <Amaranth> wood1: What got updated yesterday?
[04:18] <wood1> I forgot
[04:18] <Amaranth> wood1: Go back to warty.
[04:18] <alexissoft> hi
[04:18] <wood1> I think I did:   dpkg --configure -a    or something I don't remember
[04:19] <cardador> im running hoary with shadows and transparencies, and ive got no problems
[04:19] <Falstius> wood, if you want to learn a little voodoo, poke through the /etc/X11/*.conf files
[04:19] <wood1> Amaranth, as I said, is it possible to install an OS using SSH
[04:19] <ctr> ok, who runs ubuntu on ppc ?
[04:19] <Falstius> I don't remember if ubuntu uses XF86Config or xorg.conf
[04:19] <wood1> By the way, you were about to teach me how to do that
[04:19] <Amaranth> wood1: I gave you the answer and a guide.
[04:19] <Pugio> I do
[04:19] <Pugio> or, I will soon
[04:19] <Amaranth> Falstius: xorg.conf for xorg
[04:19] <Pugio> ctr: what's your problem?
[04:19] <Amaranth> its just mv XF86Config xorg.conf
[04:20] <alexissoft> i've a big problem with ubuntu and a dual screen computer
[04:20] <Falstius> Amaranth, okay.  Xorg will use whichever exists.
[04:20] <Rattboi> yeah, whichever is there
[04:20] <ctr> Pugio, no problem, more of a case of how well it installs and sets up
[04:20] <wood1> Amaranth, shall we begin the installation of Debian using SSH
[04:20] <Rattboi> my xorg.conf IS a direct copy of my old XFree86-4 config
[04:20] <alexissoft> i start it, and the first screen is initialized with magenta stips
[04:20] <alexissoft> (for X)
[04:20] <alexissoft> the second screen is going up
[04:20] <Amaranth> wood1: no, you should begin the installation of Ubuntu using SSH
[04:20] <alexissoft> and no image
[04:20] <alexissoft> X crash
[04:20] <Amaranth> wood1 -> PM
[04:21] <ddepiano> I upgraded from another distro, but where is the print spooler location so I can set up Samba print sharing?
[04:21] <wood1> Yes Amaranth
[04:21] <Falstius> I hear Xinerama ... I miss my dual-monitor goodness ;(
[04:21] <alexissoft> with only one videocard it's rocks
[04:21] <alexissoft> but not with dualscreen
[04:21] <alexissoft> ;)
[04:25] <hypegt> anyone know an easy way to add startup programs with hoary? no more 'sessions' and my brain's went to bed for the night
[04:25] <Wiseguy> hi - I'm searching for a printer or a combined printer/scanner model that 100% works in ubuntu
[04:25] <Wiseguy> any tipps for me?
[04:25] <Falstius> hypegt, isn't there a Startup directory in your home directory?
[04:26] <cardador> Wiseguy: i have hp officejet r65 and works flawlessly
[04:26] <Amaranth> wood1: ?
[04:26] <Falstius> Wiseguy, I couldn't get the HP5100 to scan (tried for about 30 minutes)
[04:27] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:27] <Wiseguy> so you're saying that I should stick to HP?
[04:27] <Wiseguy> because I tried an epson cx3200 in fedora core 3 and it was recognised automatically
[04:27] <Wiseguy> and worked flawlessly
[04:27] <Falstius> I'm am saying I COULD NOT get it to scan.  Never tried anything else.
[04:27] <Wiseguy> but not in ubuntu - sadly
[04:27] <hypegt> Falstius: nope, should there be?
[04:28] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:28] <Falstius> hypegt, I think that's the new standard.  Could try creating it and then putting in softlinks to the executables or scripts you want to run.  I've never done it.
[04:28] <alexissoft> i've the HPBI1100
[04:29] <alexissoft> works fine
[04:29] <alexissoft> but with a cups server :)
[04:29] <Falstius> hypegt: but it can't hurt .. much ;)
[04:29] <Wiseguy> cardador, where can I get an officejet r65?
[04:29] <alexissoft> Wiseguy, in a shop
[04:29] <alexissoft> in your grocery store ;)
[04:29] <hypegt> Falstius: cool, just trying to get tpb to run on startup and i'll have everything from the hoary install cleared up, woohoo
[04:30] <Wiseguy> so it's still sold..
[04:30] <Wiseguy> because I tried at an onlinestore and they didn't have it
[04:30] <alexissoft> s/in/at/
[04:30] <cardador> Wiseguy: well, if you live in Portugal I can tell you a shop :)
[04:30] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:30] <Wiseguy> that would be some 2000 km too far
[04:30] <Wiseguy> but thanks for the offer
[04:31] <Wiseguy> ;D
[04:31] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:31] <Wiseguy> well, seems like I'll have to stick with a single printer + scanner solution
[04:31] <Wiseguy> I looked at the hardware compatibility list on the ubuntu wiki
[04:31] <Wiseguy> there aren't many devices listed
[04:32] <Wiseguy> is there any other source where I could look for such stuff?
[04:32] <Amaranth> if it works in debian it should work in ubuntu
[04:32] <Wiseguy> all I need is a printer and a scanner which work flawlessly
[04:32] <Falstius> wiseguy, there is support for it.  Most of the scanner printers are really just an old scanner repackaged and so you can tell ubuntu to pretend it is that.  Check out the xsane information.
[04:32] <Wiseguy> hm
[04:32] <Wiseguy> ok
[04:33] <Amaranth> and the gentoo forums offer ways to get printers and such working with gentoo, shouldn't be much different to get them to work on ubuntu
[04:33] <Wiseguy> I think I'll fetch my old scanner from my parents place and try that one out
[04:33] <hypegt> Falstius: oops, thanks for the help too ;)
[04:33] <Wiseguy> thanks Amaranth
[04:33] <Falstius> what is tpb?
[04:35] <wood1> Amaranth, are you there ?
[04:35] <Amaranth> yep
[04:36] <Amaranth> i have about 20 minutes, did you see my PMs?
[04:36] <Amaranth> oh, you can't respond to me
[04:36] <Amaranth> you can now
[04:38] <hypegt> Falstius: thinkpad buttons
[04:40] <Falstius> hypegt, ahh.  Cool.  I ran my button support directly from the .xsessions file.
[04:42] <hustla> lo
[04:47] <tux> whats a good p2p client for ubuntu >
[04:47] <tux> anyone any recommendations ?
[04:48] <kent> tux, limewire,  bittorent-programs (azureus), dc-gui
[04:48] <Falstius> bit torrent is tasty.  Choose your flavor.
[04:49] <Falstius> so nice to download linux distros at 700 kb/s
[04:50] <zooko> BT downloaded the ubuntu install iso way faster than http did.
[04:51] <zooko> I had a race.  After the winner became clear I shut the HTTP connection.
[04:51] <cardador> tux: limewire is nice
[04:51] <Simira> anyone arrived in Mataro yet?
[04:51] <Falstius> I can't run bit-torrent here, its against the computing regulations even for download legal things :(
[04:52] <Falstius> I also got a nasty note for running ethereal.  Bastards.
[04:53] <hypegt> Falstius: time to test, thanks again for the ideas
[04:53] <tux> cardador: thx
[04:53] <tux> is limewire in universe ?
[04:53] <Falstius> hypegt, it could be StartUp or startup or some such .. but Startup seems right.
[04:53] <zooko> Falstius: that's interesting.  How do they know you are running BT I wonder.
[04:54] <Falstius> zooko, they check the packets.
[04:55] <cardador> tux: i dont think so, go to its homepage and downloads it from there
[04:55] <Falstius> the same way I can run something like ethereal from my laptop and read the messenger conversation I'm having on the desktop.
[04:55] <zooko> And how they knew you ran ethereal is even more interesting.
[04:56] <zooko> Unless they happened to walk by and look at your screen.
[04:56] <theine> is anybody using the debian kernel (kernel-image-*) with ubuntu?
[04:56] <Falstius> yeah, I'm only guessing on that one.  But they sent a note saying "suspicious activity has been detected from your machine"
[04:56] <Falstius> and the only thing I'd done was play with ethereal that day.
[04:57] <Falstius> I work at CERN "Where the Web was Born" and it's got a pretty paranoid IT group.
[04:57] <theine> Falstius: Do they allow pings?
[04:58] <Falstius> yeah.  The funny one is, skype is also banned but it is in the windows software list for network installations.
[04:59] <Kamion> Simira: there are about a dozen of us here, yeah
[04:59] <Kamion> zooko: network interfaces in promiscuous mode can often be detected remotely
[05:00] <Falstius> Kamion, that's what I suspected.
[05:00] <Simira> Kamion: and things work out fine so far? Guess Tollef and Fabio will be in in abouttwo hours. I'm looking forward to joining you tomorrow.
[05:00] <Kamion> Simira: Fabio's on his way, I know, dunno about Tollef. Yeah, fine so far
[05:01] <leitao> Please, i installed ubuntu and my mouse isnt working. cat /dev/ttyS1 (my slackware was there) and nothing appears when i move my mouse.. I think i need to install some module. Any idea?
[05:01] <Simira> Kamion: They'd agreed to meet up at the airport, so they'll arrive together :)
[05:01] <zooko> Kamion: yes, but I'm mildly suprised that they actually do that.
[05:02] <Kamion> Simira: ah, ok
[05:03] <theine> leitao: what about cat /dev/input/mice ?
[05:03] <Falstius> leitao, what kind of mouse is it?
[05:04] <theine> Is anybody familar with this; ``device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed''
[05:04] <theine> I get this when I boot the debian kernel
[05:05] <leitao> theine : i'll see.
[05:06] <leitao> theine : nothing too.. :(
[05:06] <leitao> Falstius : old serial mouse. :)
[05:06] <theine> leitao: oh!
[05:06] <leitao> theine : i have never used 2.6 before. :(
[05:07] <Kamion> lil_anthony: modprobe sermouse, maybe?
[05:07] <Kamion> d'oh
[05:07] <Kamion> leitao: modprobe sermouse, maybe?
[05:07] <leitao> Kamion : i'll try
[05:09] <leitao> Kamion : the module got loaded. but my mouse still quiet.. :(
[05:09] <theine> leitao: what does dmesg say?
[05:09] <Falstius> leitao, wow ... you know, I cut the serial interface off of those things and rip them apart to use as serial bus terminators.
[05:09] <leitao> theine : nothing. ;(
[05:11] <leitao> Falstius : so what should i do?
[05:11] <theine> leitao: have you looked in /dev for other possible serial device names?
[05:11] <theine> maybe it's ttyS0...
[05:12] <theine> wait, ttyS1 exists, right?
[05:12] <theine> of course, it even exists in my /dev directory
[05:13] <leitao> theine : sure both S0 and S1 exists, but no signal.. I has running slackware 8.1 with no problem on mouse before..
[05:14] <theine> leitao: I was setting up a serial mouse on debian sarge, but unfortunately i forgot about how i did that
[05:16] <Falstius> leitao, I've seen some evidence that the ubuntu folk didn't put much effort into supporting antiques :)
[05:17] <Falstius> theine, ttyS* are standard devices.  They'll always exist.
[05:17] <Kamion> I think one of the problems is that none of us actually *have* serial mice
[05:17] <Kamion> (us == Canonical staff, sorry)
[05:17] <theine> Falstius: yeah, didn't know that
[05:17] <ogra> leitao: there is always the "weird" way, setting up gpm and configuring X to use the virtual gpm device
[05:18] <Simira> Kamion: buy one? serial mouse?
[05:19] <theine> Kamion: you should get a tape drive as well
[05:19] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: has ordinary PS/2 (non-USB) been tested, at least? :)
[05:19] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: PS/2 works fine
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> ok
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> granted, serial mouse has become a rarity.
[05:20] <Falstius> Q-FUNK: touchpads are generally seen as a PS/2 mouse.
[05:20] <leitao> Kamion : sure.. I work at Async and they work for canonica too. :)
[05:20] <Q-FUNK> indeed so.  at least, that's how it was on my old laptop.
[05:21] <Simira> Kamion: if you're serious, I could always bring one...
[05:22] <mjg59> Serial mice are (a) hard to detect, (b) don't fit into the Linux input model very well, (c) crap
[05:22] <leitao> ogra : gpm does not see my mouse. :(
[05:22] <leitao> mjg59 : sure.
[05:22] <mjg59> leitao: I'm afraid I don't have any serial ports now, so it's hard for me to test :(
[05:22] <Falstius> leitao, it is surprising that the serial port doesn't give you anything.  I think the problem is ubuntu and your serial port, not the mouse.
[05:26] <Kamion> Simira: not sure trying to plug it into a powerbook would be especially useful ...
[05:26] <leitao> Falstius : weird. ;(
[05:27] <ogra> leitao: you did run gpmconfig ? and the generic_serial module is loaded ?
[05:27] <Q-FUNK> and I'm not sure why would anyone insist on using hardware without a psaux or USB port as a desktop.  as a server, maybe, but not as desktop.
[05:28] <leitao> ogra: my system does have gpm. :(
[05:28] <ogra> Q-FUNK: because some ppl dont have the money for new desktop hw....
[05:28] <leitao> i'll install it.
[05:29] <Falstius> ogra, 4x usb2 expansion card for 5 dollars.
[05:29] <Q-FUNK> ogra: I have about a dozen of PII boxes, all of which were donated to me by people upgrading.  most have USB, a few only ps/2.
[05:29] <Falstius> ofcourse, it might not have PCI either
[05:29] <ogra> leitao: ok, then run gpmconfig....move your mouse until its detected....then you can configure X
[05:29] <PotajiTo> wenas
[05:29] <leitao> ogra : sure. i'll try. thank you
[05:30] <ogra> Q-FUNK:me too, but there are ppl that still run ISA cards and serial mice on this globe ;)
[05:30] <leitao> ogra : what about mdetect?
[05:30] <Q-FUNK> isa network cards, yes, I have a few of those.  serial mice... I have one Logitec 9-pin serial left, just in case.
[05:31] <warty> limewire for linux R0X
[05:31] <warty> exit
[05:31] <wood1> Ok everybody Bye for today
[05:31] <wood1> see you tomorrow
[05:31] <ogra> leitao: dunno, thought that is used by X in the default config....if this didnt work i guess mdetect doesnt fit for you
[05:31] <wood1> all of you out there, cheers to Ubuntu
[05:31] <wood1> and a Thumbs Up
[05:31] <mjg59> In principle, various serial mice /can/ be autodetected - the problem is, doing so can interfere with legacy devices
[05:32] <leitao> Kamion : cool.. Send a huge to kiko (lauch pad staff, i think)
[05:33] <ogra> leitao: i ran a serial setup last week on a sparc station with a pci PC emulator card, there gpm was the only way ....
[05:33] <leitao> ogra : my apt-cache search gpm is not working by defaylt. i'll install it first. :(
[05:33] <leitao> ogra : sure
[05:37] <leitao> gpm is not on the ubuntu installation cd-rom. My apt-cache search gpm didnt show anything. :(
[05:38] <ogra> leitao: got no net access ? its a pretty small tool
[05:39] <liquidsnake> hi all
[05:39] <leitao> ogra : i ran apt-setup and put http as a source too, but no gpm. ;( i am not used to apt-* yet. :(
[05:39] <liquidsnake> anzone there?
[05:39] <ogra> leitao: use synaptic...its way easier
[05:40] <ogra> leitao: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:40] <liquidsnake> where to find drivers for epson stylus color 685
[05:40] <liquidsnake> for ubuntu of course
[05:40] <leitao> ogra : i'll see. thnx
[05:41] <leitao> ogra : i dont have mouse to use synaptic. :*
[05:41] <ogra> damned...
[05:42] <ogra> leitao: i am not used to it, but you could try aptitude
[05:42] <leitao> my source.list have only restricted entries.. is it okay?
[05:42] <liquidsnake> ive try driver 680 and doesnt work
[05:43] <ogra> leitao: like this ? deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted
[05:44] <ogra> leitao: just make it look like this ... deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ warty main restricted universe multiverse
[05:44] <leitao> ogra : sure
[05:45] <leitao> ogra: i will.
[05:47] <leitao> the apt-cache says: couldnt not stat http:./.... warty/universe.. :(
[05:48] <|trey|> leitao: whats the entire line from /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:48] <ogra> leitao: first run: sudo apt-get update
[05:48] <leitao> |trey| : i dont have mouse to cut/paste.. :( i'll write here.. just a moment.
[05:48] <leitao> ogra : good ideia
[05:48] <ogra> :)
[05:48] <Ribs> Does ubuntu have mp3 support by default?
[05:49] <Q-FUNK> Ribs: gstreamer0.8-mad from the universe repository.  not installed by default.
[05:49] <leitao> ogra : it is updating.
[05:49] <Ribs> Q-FUNK: Thanks
[05:49] <Ribs> I'm downloading the .iso now, only another hour to go ;)
[05:49] <ogra> Ribs: not by default, but easy to add: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:49] <ogra> leitao: fine
[05:49] <Q-FUNK> ogra: why did it end up in restricted, again?
[05:50] <ogra> Q-FUNK: what exactly ?
[05:50] <Q-FUNK> mp3 support
[05:50] <Jelte> hi all... is there a package i should apt-get when i want to develop stuff?  Is there some equivalent to KDevelop for gnome?
[05:50] <|trey|> Q-FUNK: its not in restricted... thats supported non-free
[05:51] <Falstius> Jelte, anjuta is the closest I know off.
[05:51] <ogra> Q-FUNK: because its not free...you have to pay alot to fraunhofer if you provide a player on the cd
[05:51] <ogra> Q-FUNK: but its in the online repos :)
[05:51] <Jelte> Falstius, just apt-get anjuta? i've already got build-essential
[05:51] <Q-FUNK> ogra: why does debian manage to include it then?
[05:51] <|trey|> Jelte: some like Eclipse...
[05:51] <ogra> Q-FUNK: does it ? on the CD ?
[05:51] <Falstius> Jelte, yeah.  I haven't really played with it though.
[05:51] <Jelte> |trey|, hmmm i'm not a great fan of java ;-)
[05:52] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: Debian ship MP3 decoders because they ignore the patents issue unless there's active enforcement
[05:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Eclipse is more stable than anjuta
[05:52] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Anjuta was very buggy last time Ive used it
[05:52] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: ok, that explains it :)
[05:52] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, ah.. well thats a good reason not to take it ;-)
[05:53] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Anjuta had problems with breakpoints and stuff
[05:53] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, thats kinda crippling....  i'm thinking about writing a MP3 album cover organizer for gnome....
[05:53] <Jelte> since i can't find a decent one (or any for that matter)
[05:54] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: from an average user's perspective, it's somewhat annoying to install only to find that those 10 CDs full of mp3 songs cannot play back with the default install.
[05:54] <Falstius> hmm... eclipse looks interesting but it wants to install a lot of stuff for java which I don't use.
[05:55] <|trey|> Q-FUNK: there is nothing we can do about that though... the Ubuntu servers do have what they need, but Mark would be sued if we provided it as supported software...
[05:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: Ive done something similar por Uni onde
[05:55] <_|Imanewbie|_> *once
[05:56] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, any good? ;-)  dont want to re-invent the wheel here
[05:56] <Q-FUNK> |trey|: is ubuntu a commercial distro or a VC-backed free software project, legally-speaking?
[05:56] <|trey|> Q-FUNK: Commercial distro...
[05:57] <Q-FUNK> right, commercial, but since it's freely distributed, no money to pay the license, so we don't get mp3 by default.
[05:58] <_|Imanewbie|_> Jelte: I was very buggy, but I can give you some tips
[05:58] <Q-FUNK> the dragon is eating its own tail.
[05:58] <illustre> having problems partitioning  my drive during ubuntu installation when i get to the partition settings i say no http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=156&slide=7
[05:59] <Jelte> _|Imanewbie|_, ta... might get back to you on that one... need to work out what coding for gnome is all about ... usually code for Symbian OS
[05:59] <illustre> but then i dont see an option to resize my last partition
[05:59] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: Yes. However, it's the law.
[05:59] <illustre> my last partition is 33GB i want to steal 10Gb to creATE 3 new partitions for ubuntu how would i go about that
[06:00] <rattboi> ok, quick question
[06:00] <rattboi> is there a standard for finding options to pass to ./configure scripts?
[06:00] <mjg59> rattboi: In scripts produced by autoconf, --help ought to list all options
[06:00] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: wouldn't it be more profitable and easier to call it a VC-backed free software project, so that we can include it like debian does?
[06:00] <mjg59> Otherwise no
[06:00] <leitao> I never entered my root password before  in ubuntu. i ever used with sudo. is this ubuntu phylosophy?
[06:01] <StevenR> rattboi: ./configure --help
[06:01] <rattboi> ok
[06:01] <rattboi> cool, didn't know that
[06:01] <mjg59> Q-FUNK: But that would be likely to be a lie
[06:01] <Falstius> what happened to the answer bot?  I can't remember its name.
[06:02] <palle1> how do i burn an audio cd? do i need a burn-prog for that?
[06:02] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: the licences required for mp3 are per-seat, not one-time; we're committed to giving Ubuntu away for free, so we cannot sustain per-seat licensing.
[06:02] <Q-FUNK> mjg59: would it?  i mean, everything in main is freely downloadable in source form.  sure feels like a free software gig to me.
[06:03] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: I don't think commercial is a good description of the distribution. It has commercial backing, sure.
[06:03] <eyal> hello all
[06:03] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: I thought that mp3 was a subset of the mpeg format?  wasn't mpeg a pd format?
[06:04] <eyal> i got a freeze during screensaver
[06:04] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: tell that to Fraunhofer's attack lawyers
[06:04] <illustre> i am lost can someone shed light if i can resize a partition during the installation?
[06:04] <Kamion> Q-FUNK: I don't know much about this myself; just passing on what we debated and decided in the Oxford conference in August.
[06:04] <Q-FUNK> Kamion: fair enough :)
[06:04] <Kamion> illustre: yes, although NTFS resizing wasn't supported in Warty
[06:04] <leitao> ogra : installing gpm! :)
[06:04] <palle1> so i have to go to windows if i wan't to burn audio cd's?
[06:05] <Kamion> illustre: edit the partition, move the cursor to the size field, press enter, change the size
[06:05] <illustre> kamion: this is a ext3  partition with 38gb i want to take 10gb for ubuntu how would i do it
[06:05] <Kamion> illustre: like I just said
[06:05] <illustre> kamion: i tried but how do i change the size
[06:05] <ogra> leitao: yay!
[06:06] <Kamion> illustre: if it doesn't work, make sure the filesystem was unmounted cleanly
[06:06] <illustre> kamion: i tried using arrows and lo luck
[06:06] <Kamion> illustre: not arrows, enter the number
[06:06] <illustre> this is during installation
[06:06] <cardador> palle1: install k3b
[06:06] <illustre> so the filesystem must be unmounted
[06:07] <Falstius> illustre, do you want to keep the data on the original partition?
[06:07] <illustre> yes
[06:07] <Falstius> does the installation do resizing or does it just format it?
[06:07] <leitao> ogra : gpm worked!!!! :))
[06:07] <Kamion> Falstius: it does resizing.
[06:07] <Falstius> cool.
[06:07] <ogra> leitao: great, now on to X
[06:07] <illustre> i dont see the resizing option
[06:08] <leitao> ogra : i need to reconfigure my X again. let me do it. :)
[06:08] <ogra> leitao: you already know how
[06:08] <ogra> ?
[06:08] <leitao> dpkg-reconfigure..
[06:08] <leitao> sure?
[06:08] <ogra> leitao: yep :)
[06:09] <rattboi> I'm figureing this compiling thing out
[06:10] <rattboi> I mean, for linux
[06:10] <rattboi> I knew how to compile before, since I'm a programmer
[06:10] <rattboi> just not the ./configure, make, make install kind
[06:11] <illustre> kamion: i insist i dont see option to resize can you post a screenshot where to do that
[06:11] <palle1> okay thnx cardador
[06:13] <Kamion> illustre: sorry but I'm not really in a position to do that at the moment.
[06:13] <Jelte> silly question time... how can i create a new menu pane under 'applications' ?  like "Development"?   I installed anjuta, but it doesn't show up in the menu
[06:14] <Falstius> right click and click "new launcher" or some such
[06:14] <Jelte> hate that ctrl-q key! ;-)
[06:15] <Kamion> illustre: move the cursor to a partition in the main manual partitioning screen, and look. Do you see a line where it lists the size of the partition?
[06:15] <kbrooks> i requested 20 free cds, but i now requested 1 cd
[06:15] <Kamion> illustre: er, "and look" -> "and press Enter"
[06:16] <kbrooks> will the team ship 21 cds?
[06:16] <kbrooks> i just want 1 cd
[06:16] <kbrooks> well?
[06:17] <Jelte> so how do i add a menupane to the menu of ubuntu ?
[06:17] <illustre> kamion: yes i see size and when i press enter it says something like writing partition but no size option
[06:17] <Kamion> kbrooks: mako has, er, disappeared somewhere ... will grab him once he comes back in
[06:18] <Kamion> illustre: ok, that's where it's supposed to be, so that means that parted does not understand that filesystem
[06:18] <illustre> kamion: i'll tell you right now exactly what it says stand by
[06:18] <Kamion> illustre: look on alt-f4, that will be more useful
[06:18] <Kamion> illustre: I don't need to know what it says in the user interface; that's stock error message text and I can find it in the source package if I'm interested
[06:19] <kbrooks> Kamion, if i ever leave this channel, when he comes here, ask him to e-mail me (cmpfixer@hotmail.com)
[06:19] <kbrooks> ok?
[06:19] <rattboi> it's amazing how many -dev packages I've had to install so that I could install anything else
[06:19] <Kamion> kbrooks: he's just stepped out briefly as far as I know; but sure
[06:19] <netmonk> is there any way I can know that the cds are sent, does it say when I log on that the cds have been shiped or something like that?
[06:19] <Kamion> kbrooks: actually, why don't you e-mail him ...
[06:20] <kbrooks> Kamion, at what e-mail address?
[06:20] <StevenR> does ubuntu come with a good mail client?
[06:20] <Kamion> kbrooks: the Ubuntu Pressed CDs FAQ linked to from shipit has his address
[06:20] <Xenguy> StevenR: evolution is the default mail client AFAIK
[06:21] <kbrooks> Kamion, thanks :)
[06:21] <dr_willis> StevenR,  if it dosent its trivial to install other ones ya may like
[06:21] <StevenR> dr_willis: kmail?
[06:21] <eyal> any1 got open port explanations ?
[06:22] <dr_willis> StevenR,  ive switched to all Web-based mail :P i never use any of htem. I hear Evolution is very very good however
[06:22] <dr_willis> eyal,  explain how?
[06:22] <dr_willis> eyal,  thats a big area  and a vague question :P
[06:22] <illustre> kamion: i see 3 lines usage method   bootable flag and size
[06:22] <ogra> eyal: you want to open ports ? why ?
[06:23] <eyal> dr_willis , i need to open alcatel ports for xmule using with ubuntu
[06:23] <leitao> ogra : the default installation configure my X correctly, but i cant configure it manually. :(( Is there a way to automatically reconfigure it?
[06:23] <dr_willis> alcatel ?
[06:23] <eyal> ogra just wrote for the dr
[06:23] <borgmeister> anybody know of a good messenger program?
[06:23] <borgmeister> thats not amsn
[06:23] <dr_willis> borgmeister,  totally depends on your needs.
[06:23] <eyal> dr_willis yes its the modem name . i didn't have problem in win2000
[06:23] <borgmeister> to talk to less enlightened people using msn messenger
[06:23] <dr_willis> what network ya IMing to?
[06:24] <dr_willis> a modem port? Huh. now i am totally lost.
[06:24] <ogra> leitao: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86
[06:24] <leitao> ogra : plow?
[06:24] <kbrooks> borgmeister, pick a messenger program and use it; if you don't like that program go to the next program
[06:24] <borgmeister> kbrooks: any you can name?
[06:24] <ogra> leitao: and select the right mousedev then....the script uses the default values, so just hit enter on the other ones
[06:25] <kbrooks> borgmeister, GAIM
[06:25] <androxxl> hi .. I have one question ? What is testing name of Ubuntu ?
[06:25] <borgmeister> kbrooks: sweet
[06:25] <ogra> leitao: --priority low
[06:25] <jeffreyb> I am trying to install VMware 4.5.2- Need kernel-headers for ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386... Don't see a deb package for them... can I just grab from kernel.org?
[06:25] <eyal> dr_willis how do i make xmule work here ?
[06:25] <Falstius> anybody know of a linux program that can do audio and video with MSN?
[06:26] <Falstius> or even just runs on linux and windows
[06:26] <leitao> ogra : thank you. the problem is that i have ever change all the default value.. No problem, when i have a bit of time i'lll reconfigure it manually. :) Thank you for all
[06:26] <thoreauputic> jeffreyb: apt-cache search linux-headers
[06:26] <liquidsnake> where i can download driver for epson sylus color 685??
[06:26] <leitao> Kamion , theine : thank you for help with mouse!
[06:26] <leitao> bye
[06:26] <androxxl> can someone help me .. i will upgrade my stable ubunutu .. what names to write insead of warty ?
[06:26] <jeffreyb> thoreaputic: I did that.. didn't see for ubuntu 2.6.8.1-3-386
[06:26] <cardador> androxxl: hoary
[06:26] <borgmeister> kbrooks: cheers, very nice app
[06:26] <eyal> how do i make xmule work here ?
[06:26] <dr_willis> eyal,  no clue about opening 'ports' on a modem. to open 'network' ports to let programs in/out you can manually use the iptables command.
[06:26] <androxxl> aha tnx
[06:27] <jeffreyb> thoreaputic: Only 2.6.7 there
[06:27] <dr_willis> and see what rules iptables has set up. and remove any thtas blockong the ports ya need. or make rules to specificially allow the ports.
[06:27] <kbrooks> borgmeister, i use GAIM
[06:27] <eyal> ok dr_willis that is what i need.. iptables where how ???
[06:27] <borgmeister> kbrooks: feels very solid
[06:27] <dr_willis> iptables has some well done howtos. and the xmule page may have the exact stuff ya need to do.
[06:28] <ogra> eyal: foward port 4665 (or 4662 i'm not sure) at your router
[06:28] <borgmeister> kbrooks: got my mates up now, and is working sweet
[06:28] <eyal> the router is done
[06:28] <ogra> eyal: it should point to your desktop with the forwarding
[06:28] <eyal> ogra ?
[06:28] <ogra> eyal: then xmule will just work
[06:29] <eyal> how do i do this forwarding ?
[06:29] <ogra> eyal: forwarding means you have a source and a destionation set at your router
[06:29] <Falstius> firestarter is a pretty nice gui program for configuring iptables
[06:29] <Falstius> there are some others too
[06:29] <ogra> eyal: source is the internet in this case....dest is your desktop
[06:30] <ogra> eyal: said....you route requests form the internet to port 4662 (or so) directly to your desktop inhstead of using NAT
[06:31] <ogra> eyal: its in any case a setup at your router, not at your desktop
[06:32] <eyal> ogra : so what do i do? in the win2000 it worked(emule) there i opened the relevance ports
[06:32] <eyal> i sent commands to the router from win2000
[06:32] <ogra> eyal: you dont need to open any specific ports on your desktop...xmule does it if it runs....
[06:33] <eyal> but it doesn't connect to servers
[06:33] <ogra> eyal: i guess you have some kind of personal firewall on your win box ?
[06:33] <rob78> Please someone, i need help. I tried to enable scsi emulation support in the kernel but it said that it will be load as a module, does anyone know how to enable scsi emulation support ? grip rips at 0,5x now he he
[06:33] <ogra> eyal: the serverlist is ok ?
[06:34] <eyal> yes
[06:34] <eyal> no no
[06:34] <ogra> rob78: no scsi emu for linux 2.6
[06:34] <eyal> ogra : it doesn;t preview user number
[06:34] <rob78> ogra: okey ?!
[06:34] <rob78> ogra: thx
[06:35] <illustre> kamion: ok i see the resize option i change the size hit enter and i did not see the new size  it did not resiZe it
[06:36] <eyal> ogra : now it connected to razorback 2
[06:37] <ogra> eyal :)
[06:38] <eyal> but lowid ogra
[06:38] <Kamion> illustre: yeah, I understand that, that's why I'm asking for the log output on alt-f4
[06:38] <Kamion> illustre: or try 'parted <whatever device> check' at the shell on alt-f2
[06:43] <cenerentola> hello there...
[06:44] <ogra> cenerentola: welcome :)
[06:44] <Quest-Master> Did Ubuntu once have porn on it's wallpapers? :o
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> close enough
[06:44] <KeyserSoze> that wallpaper was disturbing
[06:45] <robster> i certainly wouldn't describe it as pornographic
[06:45] <robertj> it wasn't even close to disturbing
[06:45] <KeyserSoze> it was just... funky
[06:45] <eyal> Can i connect mIRC servers from here ?
[06:46] <Falstius> ?
[06:46] <KeyserSoze> what?
[06:46] <siretart> .oO( now i realize why ubuntu was called an XXX-Distro... argh.. )
[06:46] <crimsun> it was not pornographic
[06:46] <Falstius> I want to see the wallpaper :)
[06:46] <Simira> eyal: from where?
[06:46] <KeyserSoze> it was funky
[06:47] <siretart> Falstius: apt-get install ubuntu-calendar
[06:48] <Falstius> siretart, not running ubuntu at the moment.
[06:49] <cenerentola> ogra: what a pleasure..
[06:50] <ogra> cenerentola: yep.... and its sooo warm here....i scratched ice from my windshiled this morning....
[06:51] <crimsun> Falstius: there's a screenshot of it on the front page of the ubuntu web site
[06:51] <crimsun> or /usr/share/gdm/themes/HumanCircle/screenshot.png
[06:53] <gustavor> how do I change my keyboard layout? The gnome application is not working
[06:54] <liquidsnake> on console or X11?
[06:54] <Falstius> that???  That's all?  Gees.
[06:54] <eyal> simira : from ubuntu somehow from x-chat maybe ?? doonno ?
[06:54] <crimsun> Falstius: it's not supposed to be titillating
[06:54] <liquidsnake> gustavor,
[06:54] <Simira> eyal: of course... same way that you connected this server?`
[06:55] <gustavor> liquidsnake, both
[06:55] <liquidsnake> ok
[06:55] <Falstius> crimsun, no, but I don't understand how its even disturbing.
[06:55] <liquidsnake> wait
[06:55] <liquidsnake> im first time on ubuntu i prefer slackware
[06:55] <liquidsnake> i have to look
[06:55] <Simira> eyal: Xchat is very similar to mIRC
[06:55] <crimsun> Falstius: *shrug* Different things are disturbing to different people.
[06:55] <wezzer> slackware doens't have gnome in future
[06:56] <quamaretto> Question: Can ubuntu be installed from the LiveCD?
[06:56] <wezzer> *doesn't
[06:56] <eyal> Simira ill try and tell u in few mins
[06:56] <liquidsnake> better
[06:56] <Falstius> wezzer, actually it should be "won't"
[06:56] <liquidsnake> i don like gnome
[06:56] <liquidsnake> <--- uses preferentlz enlightenment
[06:56] <crimsun> liquidsnake: then use enlightenment
[06:56] <wezzer> Falstius: ok
[06:56] <crimsun> liquidsnake: nothing's tying you to gnome on ubuntu
[06:57] <crimsun> liquidsnake: it just happens to be the supported desktop
[06:57] <Falstius> sorry, italian coworkers and chinese fiancee ... overly used to correcting english :)
[06:57] <liquidsnake> zep
[06:57] <liquidsnake> ubuntu is nice so as it is
[06:57] <ogra> liquidsnake: is E still developed ? i thought it was dead
[06:57] <quamaretto> ogra, don't you read slashdot? You must not really be a geek
[06:57] <ogra> quamaretto: what for ?
[06:58] <crimsun> Falstius: there's no need to be pedantic unless it's in the context of debugging, thanks :)
[06:58] <ogra> quamaretto: no, i dont read /.
[06:58] <quamaretto> XD j/k, they just did a really early dev release of E17
[06:58] <liquidsnake> it could be
[06:58] <quamaretto> Which is a very major rewrite of everything
[06:58] <liquidsnake> but the last versions runs well
[06:58] <Falstius> crimsun:  I wouldn't have mentioned it if he hadn't corrected his spelling of doesn't in the first place ;)
[06:58] <crimsun> quamaretto: hardly a dev release
[06:58] <liquidsnake> mm
[06:58] <liquidsnake> the kezmap command on ubuntu is missing
[06:58] <crimsun> quamaretto: it was just checked into cvs :)
[06:59] <Nap> hi
[06:59] <quamaretto> OK, an ultra-early-not-even-safe-bleeding-edge-release.
[06:59] <quamaretto> Whatever.
[06:59] <Nap> does anymone use ndiswrapper here ?
[06:59] <quamaretto> Again I ask: Can ubuntu be installed from the LiveCD?
[07:00] <liquidsnake> <-- just installed ubuntu for work purposes on a pc at mothers home
[07:01] <liquidsnake> mm
[07:01] <liquidsnake> a lot of nice commands missing
[07:01] <Falstius> quamaretto: I think it can't but haven't tried.
[07:01] <quamaretto> Dang.
[07:01] <Falstius> liquidsnake, you can add them easily.  The distro was supposed to be light.
[07:01] <quamaretto> I'm a sucker for LiveCD's, is all.
[07:01] <ogra> Nap: seen this ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-07.7773155363/
[07:02] <Falstius> quamaretto: yeah, I hear yah.  I've got about 10 lying around.
[07:02] <liquidsnake> Falstius, im going to laeve this distro as it is...
[07:02] <quamaretto> The GNUStep CD is pretty cool
[07:02] <crimsun> quamaretto: it's answered in the faq.
[07:02] <crimsun> quamaretto: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-09-15.8537444623
[07:02] <liquidsnake> i don wanna change nothing its still good so for ex win users
[07:02] <Falstius> and I've got an itch to get the new gentoo liveCD
[07:03] <Falstius> liquidsnake: yeah, I put it on my folks machine for that reason.  I'm still running gentoo.
[07:03] <Nap> ogra, yes, but when I modprobe ndiswrapper, I got a version mismatch error between the kernel module and the ndiswrapper-utils package
[07:03] <liquidsnake> jep
[07:03] <liquidsnake> <-- at home slackware & evil entitz
[07:03] <liquidsnake> <-- at home slackware & evil entity
[07:03] <ogra> Nap: used only ubuntu stuff ? or did you compile anything ?
[07:04] <Nap> ogra : pure binary ubuntu OS
[07:04] <liquidsnake> have ubuntu hp support for epson drivers_??
[07:04] <ogra> Nap: weird....
[07:04] <liquidsnake> onlz few driver on install
[07:04] <ogra> what ????? <liquidsnake> have ubuntu hp support for epson drivers_??
[07:04] <liquidsnake> i dont find drivers for the printer
[07:05] <ogra> hp support for epson ???
[07:05] <Nap> ogra : which version of the ndiswrapper-utils package do you have ? And as for the kernel ?
[07:05] <liquidsnake> the default driver for epson stylus color 680 doesnt work with 685
[07:05] <ogra> you mean epson support or hp support
[07:05] <liquidsnake> i mean
[07:06] <liquidsnake> i need a driver for epson stylus color 685
[07:06] <liquidsnake> on default installation is no driver for this printer
[07:06] <ogra> Nap: sorry, i dont use it, but the kernel module should fit to your kernel version.... compare the packages: linux-image and linx-restricted-modules on your system....
[07:06] <ogra> Nap: the version numbers should match
[07:06] <liquidsnake> (on slackware it is)
[07:06] <liquidsnake> where to get this driver?
[07:07] <Nap> ogra : the mismatch is between the kernel module and the userland utilities
[07:07] <ogra> liquidsnake: i have no such printer, the 15-20 printers i tried with ubuntu yet worked out of the box....
[07:07] <Nap> ogra: and ndiswrapper is not in linux-restricted-modules, it's in the main kernel package
[07:07] <ogra> Nap: thats only a script afaik.....shouldnt happen
[07:08] <Nap> hum.. it does :)
[07:08] <liquidsnake> i go to test some drivers...
[07:08] <Nap> when I modprobe ndiswrapper, it checks the version of the ndiswrapper utilities version
[07:09] <Nap> if the ndiswrapper-utils package is not installed, the kernel module is loaded
[07:09] <liquidsnake> EPSON StylusCOLOR800 v2015.802
[07:09] <Nap> if it is, the kernel module refuses to be loaded
[07:09] <DaNeon> hi ppl, what is the root password?
[07:09] <liquidsnake> the onlz drivers on ubuntu
[07:09] <CaseysZ28_> sudo passwd
[07:09] <CaseysZ28_> you can change it that way
[07:09] <DaNeon> sudo passwd newpassword?
[07:10] <DaNeon> or sudo newpassword?
[07:10] <Nap> DaNeon, sudo passwd then answers the questions :)
[07:10] <DaNeon> ok
[07:10] <DaNeon> thx
[07:10] <ogra> DaNeon: http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:10] <CaseysZ28_> is cdrdao in the repositories?
[07:11] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: yep
[07:11] <Kamion> not in main though
[07:11] <DaNeon> how can i mount a read only ntfs?
[07:11] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: in universe
[07:11] <CaseysZ28_> i am trying to get k3b running and it is needing that and sudo apt-get install cdrdao doesn't get it
[07:11] <CaseysZ28_> k let me make sure i have it on
[07:12] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: seen that ?  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2004-10-05.2946111988/
[07:13] <CaseysZ28_> nope
[07:13] <CaseysZ28_> thanks i will take a look at it and get back with ya
[07:13] <ogra> :)
[07:14] <liquidsnake> im going to install slack
[07:14] <liquidsnake> definitive preslack
[07:14] <liquidsnake> definitive prefers slack
[07:14] <DaNeon> what do i have to write on fstab to get read access on a ntfs partition?
[07:14] <liquidsnake> *sigh*
[07:14] <ogra> liquidsnake: you used the printer tool ?
[07:15] <CaseysZ28_> what is the apt-get command to unistall ?
[07:15] <ogra> CaseysZ28_: apt-get remove
[07:15] <liquidsnake> ppl cya
[07:15] <liquidsnake> but nice distro
[07:15] <cardador> CaseysZ28_: use computer > syst conf > synaptic to install, remove, etc
[07:15] <liquidsnake> but nothing for me
[07:15] <cardador> liquidsnake: why is that?
[07:16] <CaseysZ28_> cardador: command line is more fun :)
[07:16] <cardador> CaseysZ28_: its faster
[07:16] <liquidsnake> cause i prefer slack it has more options
[07:16] <ogra> liquidsnake: i see about 50 drivers for epson in my printtool
[07:16] <CaseysZ28_> i am just new to debian so i am having to learn some
[07:16] <cardador> liquidsnake: more options? if you use gnome on slack, itll be the same i guess
[07:16] <liquidsnake> i dont have gnome
[07:17] <liquidsnake> never installed it
[07:17] <liquidsnake> zou can chose what kind of pkgs zour would have on install
[07:17] <Falstius> there is a nice summary of the apt-* commands on the apt website.
[07:18] <liquidsnake> i have to staz min 2 hour on this linux to configure it on mz custom needings
[07:18] <cardador> liquidsnake: so install which you one you like, then remove gnome
[07:18] <liquidsnake> zep
[07:18] <liquidsnake> yep
[07:18] <liquidsnake> i know
[07:18] <liquidsnake> but
[07:19] <liquidsnake> cu later
[07:19] <liquidsnake> ok?
[07:19] <Falstius> I'm trying to figure out if liquidsnake was european using a US keyboard of American with a eurokeyboard.
[07:20] <cardador> verz strange :)
[07:20] <CaseysZ28_> cdrdao doesn't seem to be there
[07:20] <cardador> cya
[07:21] <MobyTurbo> CaseysZ28_, it's part of the cdrecord package I believe.
[07:21] <CaseysZ28_> i have enabled the universe
[07:21] <Falstius> oh man, nothing screws with your head like having to constantly remember which way y and z are ... I used to switch between my GFs suise-french kb and my US on .. gah.
[07:21] <farruinn> does the linux kernel support UDF filesystems?
[07:21] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, if you mean the CD file systems, yes.
[07:22] <arzajac> CaseysZ28_:  not cdrocord!  It is it's own package in universe...
[07:22] <farruinn> mm, I mean the filesystem you get when OS X formats something with "Unix filesystem"
[07:23] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, that's UFS. Read-only partial support exists.
[07:23] <CaseysZ28_> ok how do i get it to show up if it is not there then?
[07:24] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, that partial support is reportedly buggy.
[07:25] <farruinn> MobyTurbo, do you know about HFS+ journalled?
[07:26] <CaseysZ28_> i have the error msg if anyone wants to see it i will msg it to you
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, other than the name I am unfamiliar with Mac filesystems.
[07:26] <farruinn> MobyTurbo, ok thanks for the info
[07:26] <Falstius> merde ... I just untared my backup over my new code.
[07:26] <MobyTurbo> farruinn, I'm slightly more familiar with UFS, having used FreeBSD and NetBSD.
[07:27] <arzajac> Casey_: Warty? Hoary?
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> Warty
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> Hoary is a new version out or older version?
[07:27] <CaseysZ28_> or 32 bit version?
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> CaseysZ28_, Hoary is the development branch, Warty is the stable branch.
[07:28] <arzajac> Filename: pool/universe/c/cdrdao/cdrdao_1.1.9-3_i386.deb
[07:28] <tvon|x31> Warty is the released version, Hoary is the next version (due out in 4 months-ish)
[07:28] <gen> hoary is the next release, unstable branch at the moment
[07:28] <CaseysZ28_> o ok
[07:28] <MobyTurbo> CaseysZ28_, gen's answer is the most accurate. :-)
[07:32] <diavolo> hello people, i've a probleme while trying to mount a windows fa32 partition: i use "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/win" ans the error message is "/dev/hda1 already mounted or /mnt/win busy"
[07:32] <diavolo> anu idea ?
[07:33] <mako> ogra: we can print a copy of the keys here if you can't get it before you leave
[07:33] <mako> ogra: i'm doing it here
[07:33] <Jelte> am i missing something?  why is rhythmbox saying there is no plugin installed to handle mp3 files?
[07:33] <mako> ogra: you don't need to verify your key or other peoples on the printed sheet.. only in the file
[07:33] <superted> i got this friend who continuesly get's the log-in problem caused by wrong permissions on .ICEauthority. any way to fix this forever?
[07:34] <gen> Jelte, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:34] <thoreauputic> diavolo: are you sure it isn't already mounted under /media/win or something similar? Have a look in /etc/fstab maybe
[07:34] <Jelte> gen, thanks!
[07:35] <thenuke> I cant kill badblocks process :O
[07:36] <thenuke> being a root and killall -9 badblocks nor kill -9 pid  does not do anything to it
[07:36] <_jute_> good evening
[07:36] <thenuke> Bug or a feature?
[07:36] <_jute_> is this a place for questions / troubleshooting?
[07:36] <diavolo> the fstab is ok, i dont have the problem with my old slackware nor with live-cds
[07:36] <CaseysZ28_> well i don't know what i am going to do now everything i have tried keeps failing
[07:36] <CaseysZ28_> i can't get cdrdao to appear nor install
[07:37] <thenuke> _jute_: yes you can ask questions, but it is of course suggested to read faq's and search the forums first
[07:37] <thoreauputic> superted: I would bet he's running kde apps with sudo : that would change .ICEauthority
[07:37] <MobyTurbo> either that or running X as root.
[07:38] <superted> thoreauputic: yeah. he has to use k3b every once in a while.
[07:38] <_jute_> i did that, and according to this page http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops ubuntu supports my hp compaq nx7010.  i'm trying the warty warthog live cd on that machine, but the wireless interface doesn't seem to be detected
[07:38] <superted> thoreauputic: should i just hook him up with a init script or something?
[07:38] <_jute_> also, there's no sound even after i unmute and set volumes etc..
[07:38] <thoreauputic> superted: once it's set up, he shouldn't need to use sudo with it
[07:39] <_jute_> so the real question is, are these things even supposed to work on the live cd, or are they for real installations? :)
[07:39] <superted> thoreauputic: something to do with finding the burner etc
[07:39] <_jute_> sound at least i'd expect ...
[07:39] <superted> ill look into it
[07:40] <thoreauputic> superted: the quick and dirty fix is to rm .ICEauthority and log out and in again, but that's a pain...
[07:40] <JDahl> _jute_, sometimes the sound card is locked by other processes (e.g gnome), so the sound in other apps wont work
[07:40] <superted> thoreauputic: how so
[07:40] <_jute_> ok, the old esd thingy :)
[07:40] <CaseysZ28_> does anyone have any suggestions to fix my problem?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> superted: it gets regenerated with the right permissions
[07:41] <JDahl> _jute_, I didnt have that problem in warty, but I have in Hoary - I just do a "fuser -k /dev/dsp" and everything is fine
[07:41] <thoreauputic> superted: but each time he runs k3b with sudo, the problem will reappear
[07:41] <superted> thoreauputic: ok
[07:43] <bluefrog_blue-10> hi. how can I add french to ubuntu please?
[07:44] <_jute_> I stopped (and killed) esd and tried JDahl's fix but there's still no sound.  also, the laptop quickbutton for muting doesn't seem to do anything
[07:46] <bluefrog_blue-10> in general how do we had a language?
[07:47] <JDahl> _jute_, do you have integrated volume buttons on your laptop? I was puzzled by a similar problem for a long time... turned out I just a to turn up volume using the onboard controls
[07:48] <_jute_> yup, i have those and i've turned 'em up (but i do suspect their functioning, because at least the mute led doesn't come up)
[07:55] <bluefrog_blue-10> is there a package for openldap or do I have to install from source?
[07:57] <pisuke> bluefrog_blue-10, apt-get install slapd
[07:59] <bluefrog_blue-10> ty
[08:00] <Brennos> hi all!
[08:00] <CaseysZ28_> hi
[08:00] <Brennos> is there support for the new ppc64 platform?
[08:01] <CaseysZ28_> good question
[08:02] <JStrike> So. Has anybody gotten MythTV to work with Ubuntu
[08:03] <CaseysZ28_> i am running KnoppMyth
[08:03] <JStrike> CaseysZ28_ : It really doesn't seem to work with Ubuntu :-(
[08:04] <farruinn> how does one access the advanced installation options?
[08:04] <farruinn> (for installing Ubuntu itself)
[08:04] <intinig> hello  all
[08:04] <intinig> does Rhythmbox allow to change mp3 id3 tags?
[08:05] <JStrike> intinig : No
[08:06] <intinig> JStrike, ouch how do I change them?
[08:07] <JStrike> Download a ID3 tag editor. Look in GnomeFiles
[08:07] <CaseysZ28_> JStrike: that sucks but knoppmyth is debian based
[08:07] <CaseysZ28_> is there a way to download 3rd party packages like you can with gentoo and install them?
[08:07] <JStrike> CaseysZ28_ : Yeah. Was hoping I wouldn't have to download KnopMyth. On dialup
[08:07] <arzajac> farrquin:  What do you mean advanced installation options?  Like the ones you specify at boot?
[08:07] <JStrike> Weirdly the error seems to be with MySQL
[08:08] <CaseysZ28_> o shit yeah that would be a problem
[08:08] <socomm> CaseysZ28_: Yes add third party repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:08] <farruinn> arzajac: well I know that there is a menu that you can get to from the installer
[08:08] <farruinn> but I don't know how
[08:09] <arzajac> farrquin:  Press F1, F2, etc...
[08:09] <farruinn> ok, I'll look into it
[08:09] <socomm> CaseysZ28_: After you add a thir party repo to your sources.list is merely a case of issuing the right command to install the software via apt.
[08:09] <CaseysZ28_> what version of gnome does ubuntu ship with?
[08:09] <oak_> 2.8
[08:09] <socomm> 2.8.Something.
[08:09] <JStrike> CaseysZ28_:  2.8
[08:09] <socomm> 2.8.1, me thinks.
[08:09] <arzajac> 2.8
[08:10] <CaseysZ28_> cool i was just wondering
[08:10] <CaseysZ28_> i am still having problems with cdrdao
[08:11] <CaseysZ28_> i am trying to build it by hand but it is complaining about some 64 bit stuff that i don't have a clue about
[08:11] <JStrike> "mysql -u root < mc.sql" Doesn't seem to create any tables
[08:11] <arzajac> CaseyZ28_:  Maybe it does not compile on 64 bit architechture.  That would be why it is not in universe...
[08:13] <CaseysZ28_> good point.  does that mean that the gentoo version has been ported over?
[08:14] <arzajac> Dunno.
[08:14] <FunnyHat> Is there a way for me to use the ubuntu install disc to only install the grub or lilo boot loader?  I can't seem to do it through setup menu system w/o partitioning and reinstalling
[08:14] <CaseysZ28_> JStrike, try giving it the database name too
[08:14] <CaseysZ28_> and see if that works
[08:16] <JStrike> Although, I am not too sure whether that should be creating tables or just an empty database
[08:17] <arzajac> FunnyHat: setup menu system?
[08:17] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Well, the main setup menu that you get using the install CD has the step to choose to install GRUB or LILO, but it makes you partition first when you select that option.
[08:18] <FunnyHat> Is there a command to run in the console of ubuntu setup disk to setup grub or lilo?
[08:18] <JStrike> But MythTV setup complains about "Incorrect database name 'mythconverg ' " When that database does seem to exist (albeit without any tables)
[08:19] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Use expert mode.  Set up your disk and tell it to not format the partitions and use existing data.  Go to the end and install grub.
[08:20] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Ok, I'll try that.
[08:20] <FunnyHat> arzajac: How do i get into expert mode?
[08:20] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Do you need to install or reinstall grub/lilo?
[08:21] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Install.
[08:21] <FunnyHat> arzajac: I think I got it though.
[08:21] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  What Os do you have on the system now?
[08:21] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Windows and Linux.  (Windoze for just some games). When I installed windows though, it deleted LILO from the MBR (of course).
[08:22] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Cuz you can just chroot into your partition and install-grub /dev/hda (or whatever..)  Boot from the installer and chroot.
[08:23] <FunnyHat> arzajac: I'll try that if this doesn't work.... It seems to be re-copying the base system over (hopefully it'll just overwrite the files rather than make duplicates)
[08:24] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  OUCH!  You may screw up your system by writing over them.  In expert mode, you can just skip to the end...
[08:24] <djtansey> has anyone here used a palm t3 (or other newer palm) with ubuntu? i'm trying to see what is sync-able
[08:25] <FunnyHat> arzajac: But HOW do I get to expert mode?
[08:25] <FunnyHat> type expert when it says to hit enter to boot installer/
[08:26] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Type expert at the prompt.
[08:27] <FunnyHat> Ok, it brought me to a menu....  no option related to LILO grub
[08:27] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Scroll down to the end...
[08:27] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Nothing there that I see....
[08:27] <FunnyHat> I just went ahead and did load install modules...
[08:28] <FunnyHat> I think it's req. to move on.
[08:28] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  Keep going to the partitionner.  Hit escape (i think) and you get to the menu..
[08:28] <FunnyHat> arzajac: Got it.
[08:29] <arzajac> FunnyHat:  By now. you could have just reinstalled...
[08:30] <Quest-Master> What is the extension for playlists in BEEP?
[08:30] <FunnyHat> arzajac: I know, but I had a bunch of stuff I needed/wanted to save.
[08:30] <socomm> BEEP?
[08:30] <socomm> Oh that's the Winamp knock off.
[08:30] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[08:31] <farruinn> you mean the other winamp knock off ;-)
[08:31] <Quest-Master> Since Rhythmbox is retarded on my computer
[08:31] <socomm> Dunno. Try google, usually works for me.
[08:31] <socomm> farruinn: xmms stopped like at wimap 2.something, beep keeps going though.
[08:31] <SepheeBear> isnt the extension is .m3u?
[08:34] <FunnyHat> This is freakin gay.
[08:38] <eyal> hi all
[08:38] <eyal> how do i make scsi emulation ???
[08:43] <hohaho> hi all,does anyone know if i can unmount & eject my cdrom when running the live disk? i want to write a cd, but cant open the drive
[08:44] <ozzie> hello i need some help. can somebody help me??
[08:44] <grelli> ozzie we'd have to know what's wrong first before we can tell you whether we can help
[08:45] <eyal> Hello, Scsi emulation howwww >>>??
[08:45] <ozzie> i need help playing mp3s on ubuntu
[08:46] <superted> ozzie: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:46] <wezzer> ozzie: apt-get install gstreamer-0.8-mad
[08:46] <hohaho> any ideas on unmounting the live cd, so i can free the drive?
[08:46] <thenuke> hmm. PS2 mouse lags so much that it is useless, but USB-mouse works OK :O ?
[08:46] <ozzie> type that in terminal
[08:47] <socomm> hohaho: You'll have to load the cd onto ram on boot, so you can umount it.
[08:47] <socomm> hohaho: Otherwise there's is noway of unmounting the disk.
[08:47] <wezzer> ozzie: actually apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:48] <wezzer> ozzie: do you have universe added to your repository?
[08:48] <hohaho> right, so select the load to ram option in the grub menu?
[08:48] <ozzie> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad???
[08:48] <socomm> hohaho: Something like that .... :^/
[08:48] <hohaho> socomm: any idea how long that takes? i tried it, but the progress bar on the bootsplash didnt move at all?
[08:48] <wezzer> ozzie: sorry
[08:48] <wezzer> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:48] <wezzer> that's the right command
[08:48] <ozzie> yes i have that added
[08:49] <wezzer> type that to your terminal
[08:49] <socomm> hohaho: Maybe 2~3 minutes, if your disk isn't corrupt.
[08:49] <hohaho> right, ok cool. i'll give it a go. thanks for the help
[08:49] <ozzie> ok its running now
[08:49] <ozzie> ok. i installed that. what do i do now?
[08:50] <socomm> hohaho: Thank me once you get it working :^)
[08:50] <wezzer> just play mp3 file
[08:50] <wezzer> with rhytmbox or whatever player you like
[08:51] <Gwildor> is there a shockwave plugin for firefox?
[08:51] <wezzer> is it working?
[08:51] <socomm> Gwildor: Read the topic, and follow the RestrictedFormats link.
[08:51] <ozzie> just a min. it showed up on the bottom of the screen. no error message poped up. hold on ill play it
[08:51] <ozzie> it worked
[08:51] <Gwildor> socomm, thnx
[08:52] <wezzer> :)
[08:52] <ozzie> thank you weezer
[08:52] <wezzer> you
[08:52] <wezzer> 're welcome
[08:52] <wezzer> :)
[08:52] <Gwildor> socomm, no shockwave on restrictedformats
[08:53] <socomm> Gwildor: Shockwave?
[08:53] <Gwildor> is there a shockwave plugin for firefox?
[08:53] <Gwildor> thats what i asked for
[08:53] <socomm> Gwildor: There's a flash plugin :^/.
[08:53] <Gwildor> tis macromedia
[08:54] <Gwildor> i need shockwave....not flash...i already have that
[08:54] <socomm> Gwildor: Visit macromedia, you can download anything you need there.
[08:54] <socomm> Gwildor: As far as I know there isn't a shockwave plugin.
[08:54] <ozzie> ok. i have another question. people tell me that windows programs will work on linux. how do i get them to work?
[08:54] <Gwildor> socomm, no shockwave at all for linux.....total bummer
[08:54] <ozzie> i know a guy who had winmx running on his linux machine. and i would like that
[08:54] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: afaik shockwave isn't supported in Linux, but I'm not certain
[08:54] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, it isnt.........grrrr
[08:55] <wasabi> ozzie, you may have luck with Wine.
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: btw, did you play with rox?
[08:55] <socomm> Gwildor: Yeah, not our fault though.
[08:55] <wasabi> ozzie, but then again you may not.
[08:56] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, yeah, and i ended up not really liking it, xffm is fine for a filemanager, and the pinboard want what i really expected, but thank you
[08:56] <ozzie> anybody know how to get windows programs running on linux ?
[08:56] <Gwildor> ozzie, wine
[08:56] <thoreauputic> Gwildor: OK :) Question of taste and needs, I guess
[08:57] <ozzie> and how do i get that?
[08:57] <Gwildor> thoreauputic, yeah, i just deciding that i really dont need the icons for the few folders i wanted pinboard for, so better without, but i think i may still play around with it, maybe i can manipulate to suite my needs?
[08:57] <Quest-Master> My friend ordered some Ubuntu CDs three weeks ago and still hasn't gotten them
[08:58] <Quest-Master> He's sort of disappointed
[08:58] <Gwildor> ozzie, synaptic
[08:58] <housetier> how much did he pay, Quest-Master ?
[08:58] <Gwildor> Quest-Master, it takes time
[08:58] <Quest-Master> lol
[08:58] <Quest-Master> That's what I'm trying to tell him
[08:58] <wezzer> they are free
[08:58] <Gwildor> Quest-Master, tell him to log into shipit to see if they shipped yet
[08:58] <grelli> I hate it when my free stuff takes forever to get to me
[08:58] <ozzie> i am sorry. i am a total noob to linux.
[08:59] <Gwildor> ozzie, sudo apt-get update       sudo apt-get install wine
[08:59] <ozzie> yeah. i sent for some and forgot abut them before i got them.
[09:00] <ozzie> thank you gwildor.
[09:01] <Gwildor> ozzie, np
[09:01] <ozzie> i am running that right now. i am downloading that correct?
[09:01] <intinig> what in the runlevel for multiuser, no X?
[09:02] <intinig> on other distros is't init 3
[09:02] <intinig> but on ubuntu it's not :D
[09:02] <Gwildor> ozzie, ive never used wine....so you may have to ask someone else how to use it, but i think it is just like "wine <filename>.exe"
[09:02] <wezzer> intinig: you have to delete whole gdm if you want to login without x running
[09:02] <Gwildor> ozzie, yeah, as long as you did it like i said
[09:02] <ozzie> yes i did
[09:02] <Gwildor> :)
[09:03] <intinig> wezzer, ouch :D
[09:03] <intinig> I'll keep it this way
[09:03] <wezzer> that's true
[09:03] <wezzer> and if you delete gdm, gksudo won't work
[09:03] <arzajac> ozzie:  winesetup.  The package is winesetuptk.
[09:03] <intinig> wezzer, I just wanted to give a test run to enlightenment
[09:03] <intinig> but I don't think it's worth breaking ubuntu
[09:03] <wezzer> yea
[09:04] <Gwildor> ozzie, should be like "wine <installer>.exe" to install, then "wine <launcher>.exe" to start it...if im wrong, ill get flamed
[09:04] <ozzie> ok. is there a special way to get windows programs to work ?
[09:04] <wezzer> that /etc/inittab runlevel -thing is from redhat or something
[09:04] <wezzer> it has no effect on ubuntu
[09:04] <tungsten> just installed not prompted for root password
[09:04] <wezzer> or something like that someone told to me when I had problem with gdm
[09:04] <tungsten> how can I become root?
[09:04] <wezzer> tungsten: use sudo unstead
[09:04] <arzajac> ozzie:  You need to set it up first.  winesetup.  Then wine frecell.exe
[09:04] <wezzer> tungsten: sudo <command>
[09:05] <tungsten> thanks
[09:05] <thoreauputic> tungsten: use sudo
[09:05] <Quest-Master> What codec do I need to install for Totem to view WMVs?
[09:05] <tungsten> I have a three nic box
[09:05] <wezzer> Quest-Master: i prefer mplayer
[09:05] <Quest-Master> MPlayer is really buggy on my computer
[09:05] <tungsten> what would you suggest I use for a nat firewall?
[09:05] <Quest-Master> It hardly works
[09:05] <wezzer> did you compile it by yourself?
[09:06] <gommans> hi
[09:06] <thoreauputic> tungsten: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[09:06] <gommans> question: How long does it take to receive the ubuntu cd's?
[09:06] <wezzer> Quest-Master: have you tried xine?
[09:06] <Quest-Master> Nope
[09:06] <wezzer> they say it's good player too
[09:06] <Quest-Master> I have totem-xine though
[09:06] <AndyR> hi everyone
[09:07] <wezzer> gommans: depends...
[09:07] <wezzer> they ship cd's large amount at a time
[09:07] <gommans> I'm dutcvh
[09:07] <gommans> *dutch
[09:07] <paulproteus> tungsten: I suggest the fiaif package, since that's what I've used and I have experience with it.
[09:07] <gommans> ok
[09:07] <wezzer> so it may take weeks or two
[09:07] <AndyR> is there any way to make nautilus re-use windows?
[09:08] <paulproteus> AndyR: The mode you're in now is called "Spatial Mode".
[09:08] <wezzer> you mean new folder won't popup in new window?
[09:08] <tungsten> sudo unable to lookup debian via hostname
[09:08] <arzajac> AndyR:  Muddle click
[09:08] <arzajac> AndyR:  Middle click
[09:08] <Ribs> woo
[09:08] <tungsten> I respoded as localhost
[09:08] <Ribs> <-- running ubuntu
[09:08] <AndyR> ok cheers, will try now
[09:08] <ozzie> ok. how to i setup wine
[09:08] <paulproteus> You can disable spatial mode in general, too, if you want to AndyR.
[09:08] <arzajac> ozzie:  You need to set it up first.  winesetup.  Then wine frecell.exe
[09:09] <K-otiK> is there a free IDS with a GUI that is compatable with ubuntu?
[09:09] <arzajac> ozzie:  winesetup.  The package is winesetuptk.
[09:09] <AndyR> paulproteus, is it in window behavior?
[09:09] <Ribs> How do I update stuff?
[09:09] <Ribs> Synaptic thinks there is nothing to update
[09:09] <ozzie> so what do i do ??????
[09:09] <Ribs> but, that can't be right, can it?
[09:10] <arzajac> ozzie:  Open a console and type winesetup
[09:10] <ozzie> command not found
[09:10] <wezzer> Ribs: do you have added universe to your repository?
[09:10] <Ribs> oh wait, just saw that repository thingy
[09:11] <arzajac> ozzie:  Unstall the package is winesetuptk.
[09:11] <Ribs> It was trying to get stuff from my CD
[09:11] <arzajac> ozzie:  Install the package is winesetuptk.
[09:11] <Ribs> Already I'm very impressed with this distro :)
[09:11] <ozzie> yeah i did
[09:12] <AndyR> im generally a mandrake user, but im converted now
[09:12] <wezzer> :)
[09:12] <wezzer> ubuntu is nice to use
[09:12] <ozzie> all the restopotiories are checked
[09:12] <Ribs> hrm
[09:12] <AndyR> ubuntu is runnig very nicely on this inspiron 3200 laptop
[09:13] <tungsten> visudo -f sudoers              permission denied?
[09:13] <Ribs> is XChat 2.0.8 the latest version for ubuntu?
[09:13] <Ribs> no 2.4.0?
[09:13] <mjg59> tungsten: sudo visudo
[09:13] <mjg59> ?
[09:13] <ozzie> so what do i type ?
[09:14] <AndyR> where do i disable spatial mode in general?
[09:14] <arzajac> ozzie:  Just a minute...
[09:14] <ozzie> ok
[09:15] <SepheeBear> AndyR: in nautilus preferences
[09:15] <Quest-Master> What the heck
[09:15] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to install liblame0 for mplayer
[09:15] <Quest-Master> Preconfiguring packages ...
[09:15] <Quest-Master> (Reading database ... 68850 files and directories currently installed.)
[09:15] <Quest-Master> Unpacking liblame0 (from .../liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[09:15] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[09:15] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmp3lame0
[09:15] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[09:15] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:15] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb
[09:15] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:16] <arzajac> ozzie:  /usr/bin/winesetup
[09:16] <AndyR> flood :)
[09:16] <Quest-Master> :P
[09:16] <tungsten> unable to look up debian via gethostbyname() when I issue a sudo command
[09:16] <ozzie> no such directory
[09:17] <arzajac> ozzie:  WTF?
[09:17] <Quest-Master> Anyone know why that's happening?
[09:17] <wezzer> whereis winesetup
[09:17] <RQ> hi
[09:18] <fargonSchool> wezzer look for winesetuptk
[09:18] <RQ> how do i get divx codecs for ubuntu?
[09:18] <ozzie> it says this in the terminal Setting up wine (0.0.20040615-1ubuntu1) ...
[09:18] <wezzer> RQ: by using mplayer
[09:18] <fargonSchool> RQ, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[09:18] <arzajac> Baby's crying...
[09:18] <RQ> thanks
[09:19] <ozzie> so how do i setup wine?
[09:19] <AndyR> i cant see any mention of spatial mode in nautilus prefrences
[09:19] <spity|study> AndyR: gconf
[09:19] <wezzer> I remember that there is good tutorial in wine's homepage
[09:20] <fargonSchool> Can anyone help me understand why, when I install wine and then try to install MSOffice 2003, it say "you need a newer version of windows" ? (how do i work around this?)
[09:20] <RQ> NNOOO!! is totem incapable of playing DivX or what????
[09:20] <twogood> fargonSchool: there are some switches to wine that specify what version it pretends to be
[09:21] <wezzer> RQ: totem isn't very good player after all, in my humble opinion
[09:21] <wezzer> use mplayer or xine instead
[09:21] <fargonSchool> twogood, but I seem to get only 95, 98 etc, how do I switch wine to xp?
[09:21] <thoreauputic> fargonSchool: expecting wine to handle Offfice 2003 is a bit ambitious - Crossover Office might do it
[09:22] <wezzer> fargonSchool: why don't you use openoffice?
[09:22] <fargonSchool> thoreauputic, any suggestions as to what version will work?
[09:22] <RQ> wezzer, i don't want any gtk1.2 here
[09:22] <wezzer> RQ, there is no GUI in mplayer
[09:22] <fargonSchool> wezzer, openoffice can't deal with some of the s*** my adviser sends me... like equations and crap
[09:23] <wezzer> fargonSchool: ah, okay, i see
[09:23] <thoreauputic> fargonSchool: I doubt that wine can do Office - I use OpenOffice.org, here
[09:23] <fargonSchool> mplayer does not NEED a gui, there is one, if you want ;)
[09:23] <wezzer> okay, that's better way to say it :)
[09:23] <tungsten> unable to look up debian via gethostbyname() when I issue a sudo command
[09:24] <fargonSchool> thoreauputic, argh! that was the final thing that I wanted, and I would have switched to the bright side :)
[09:24] <Ribs> Is there an easy way to set up sound cards?
[09:24] <MobyTurbo> fargonSchool, get crossover office then, it can run MS Office.
[09:24] <Ribs> ubuntu didn't seem to find mine :/
[09:24] <RQ> tungsten, edit /etc/hosts
[09:24] <twogood> fargonSchool: run winecfg
[09:24] <lupus_> oeh
[09:24] <thoreauputic> fargonSchool: look into Crossover Office - not free but it's desibned for this purpose
[09:24] <lupus_> goobox is nice :)
[09:24] <thoreauputic> *designed
[09:25] <twogood> fargonSchool: what versions can you select in the "Windows" dropdown list?
[09:25] <FunnyLookinHat> besides the base repositories for synaptic, should I add any others?
[09:25] <twogood> fargonSchool: my winecfg shows for example "Windows XP" and "Windows 2003" there
[09:25] <fargonSchool> thoreauputic, I will, thank you.
[09:25] <ozzie> where is wine located on the computer?
[09:25] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, you'll probably want universe and multiverse
[09:26] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, universe is already available for selection in synaptic or uncommenting in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <eyal> any1 know how to make scsi emulation
[09:26] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, multiverse is the same format as universe.
[09:27] <wezzer> eyal: why do you need it?
[09:27] <MobyTurbo> eyal, kernel 2.6.x doesn't use scsi emulation for CDs.
[09:27] <MobyTurbo> boy am I lagging
[09:28] <ozzie> what is that tk setup command i was sopposed to type? for wine
[09:28] <fargonSchool> ozzie winesetuptk
[09:28] <eyal> the xcdroaster doesnt recognize my ide cd-r device
[09:29] <ozzie> so i just type that. correct?
[09:29] <zooko> Farewell for now, People of Ubuntu.
[09:29] <tungsten> firestarter not found?
[09:29] <FunnyLookinHat> Thanks guys.  Also, if when ubuntu booted for the first time and I had the incorrect network settings so it couldn't download updates, what should I run to get them?  apt-get update isn't work.
[09:29] <tungsten> sudo apt-get install firestarter
[09:29] <MobyTurbo> eyal, use cdrecord at the command line or (possibly) use k3b
[09:29] <tungsten> firestarter not found
[09:29] <wezzer> k3b crashed my x
[09:31] <ozzie> ozzie@ozzie:~ $ sudo apt-get winesetuptk
[09:31] <ozzie> E: Invalid operation winesetuptk
[09:31] <FunnyLookinHat> If when ubuntu booted for the first time and I had the incorrect network settings so it couldn't download updates, what should I run to get them?  apt-get update isn't work.
[09:33] <ozzie> so what shall i do ?
[09:33] <fargonSchool> ozzie sudo apt-get install winesetuptk
[09:33] <fargonSchool> ozzie, then winesetuptk
[09:34] <fargonSchool> ozzie just type wine at the command prompt, and the config tool should pop up
[09:34] <fargonSchool> twogood, thanks for the info, I was a bit busy....
[09:34] <ozzie> ok its installing now. thanks
[09:34] <fargonSchool> twogood, i will check my winecfg...i think I got '95, '98 and plain ole windows when I tried, in the dropdown menu
[09:35] <tungsten> I'm getting a message that firestarter is not found in the package list?
[09:35] <ozzie> how do i make it emulate windows xp or is that impossible?
[09:35] <eyal> what is k3b
[09:35] <eyal> ?
[09:35] <Quest-Master> CD burning program eyal
[09:36] <Quest-Master> Someone really needs to port it to Gnome.
[09:36] <Quest-Master> :(
[09:36] <eyal> ok is it good ?
[09:36] <Quest-Master> Best.
[09:36] <wasabi> look for coaster
[09:36] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, I was in another desktop... Edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:36] <Quest-Master> k3b lis like the greatest though.
[09:36] <Quest-Master> *is
[09:36] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, or you can use synaptic to do it.
[09:36] <ozzie> or how to i make it emulate a higher windows. this is impossible?
[09:36] <Quest-Master> VMware, ozzie
[09:37] <Quest-Master> Or Wine for individual programs
[09:37] <ozzie> the highest i can get on wine is 98.
[09:37] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[09:37] <Quest-Master> You have to use VMware for anything higher
[09:38] <ozzie> where do i get that ?
[09:38] <wasabi> you pay 300$ for it
[09:38] <wasabi> www.vmware.com
[09:38] <Quest-Master> You have to buy it.. or warez, lol
[09:38] <wasabi> such a word should not be spoken here.
[09:38] <ozzie> oh. nm then
[09:39] <MobyTurbo> I think he was trying to spell vmwares
[09:39] <wasabi> yeah, that's it.
[09:40] <Quest-Master> lol
[09:40] <K-otiK> does anyone know of an IDS with a GUI?
[09:40] <Quest-Master> Do you mean an IDE?
[09:40] <thoreauputic> another TLA !
[09:40] <wasabi_> no, he probably means IDS.
[09:40] <wasabi_> intrusion detection system
[09:41] <Quest-Master> Ah
[09:41] <ozzie> thank you very much everybody
[09:42] <twogood> fargonSchool: then you have an old version of wine
[09:43] <fargonSchool> twogood, okay, I guess an upgrade is impending then, thanks a lot, mate.
[09:43] <TonyK> I can't seem to get the /etc/fstab file right to give my user account access to my Windows partition
[09:44] <TonyK> I have the  options set to user,exec,rw,auto
[09:44] <Quest-Master> Is it FAT32?
[09:44] <TonyK> Yes it is FAT32
[09:44] <Quest-Master> Ok
[09:44] <Quest-Master> Replace that line with this one
[09:45] <K-otiK> yea, IDS, anyone know of one with a GUI?
[09:45] <Quest-Master> /dev/hdax       /home/yourusrname/windows   vfat    user,rw,umask=000,dmask=000,fmask=000
[09:45] <Quest-Master> Of course, make sure there are zeros seperating your fstab lines
[09:45] <Quest-Master> Replace x with the partition your Windows is one
[09:46] <Quest-Master> And replace yourusrname with your user name
[09:46] <Quest-Master> And inside /home/yourusrname, make a directory named Windows
[09:46] <fargonSchool> TonyK, also -> http://kitech.com.my/ubuntu/4.10/index.html#windows
[09:46] <Quest-Master> Then, when you boot up the computer
[09:46] <Quest-Master> (or Ubuntu, namely)
[09:46] <Quest-Master> It'll mount the FAT32 to /home/usrname/windows
[09:46] <Quest-Master> And users will have access to it.
[09:47] <TonyK> OK I will give it a try
[09:47] <njan> ok.. an upgrade from warty to hoary died doing dpkg-configure on pcmcia-cs as I'm using a pcmcia wlan card - and now ubuntu won't boot, because dpkg has kindly removed my bzImage files and not given me new ones :)
[09:47] <tungsten> I want to look at the param file in shorewall it's inside /etc/shorewall I need root priv to open Is it not possibel to use root priv in ubuntu?
[09:47] <njan> any suggestions as to the quickest and most friendly way to fix it?
[09:48] <fargonSchool> tungsten, use sudo vi /etc/shorewall
[09:48] <njan> tungsten, sudo vim /etc/shorewall/XYZ or just sudo /bin/bash and do it that way
[09:48] <usual> if I have to install windows xp on a partition on the same disk that already has ubuntu installed, XP will overwrite the MBR, what should I do afterwords to restore grub and be back to a normal dual boot?
[09:48] <ozzie> sorry. anybody know how to install themes on firefox ? on ubuntu
[09:48] <fargonSchool> njan, are you a Malayali? if you don't mind me asking?
[09:49] <njan> usual, should work. you'll just have to make sure you install grub to the right place and give it the right parameters for the /boot partition
[09:49] <tungsten> I don't know the contents of the directory /etc/shorewall
[09:49] <njan> fargonSchool, nope. When I picked this name, I had no idea it meant love in malaysian :)
[09:49] <tungsten> how can I view it using sudo?
[09:49] <fargonSchool> njan, it means "ME" in Malayalam
[09:49] <usual> njan, no Iknow it works, but when XP takes over the boot record, how will I boot back in and run grub to install it again
[09:49] <njan> tungsten, then vim /etc/shorewall and you'll get a list of the files in it
[09:49] <njan> fargonSchool, me? I thought it meant love.. *erm*
[09:49] <tungsten> thanks
[09:49] <njan> fargonSchool, I've been labouring under false pretensions ;)
[09:49] <Hikaru79> Hehe
[09:49] <njan> usual, bootcde
[09:50] <njan> usual, bootcd
[09:50] <thoreauputic> ozzie: just look in tools, click on add themes or whatever
[09:50] <usual> ok, it will be rw?
[09:50] <fargonSchool> njan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam :) - my mother tongue...
[09:50] <thoreauputic> ozzie: in the browser
[09:50] <njan> fargonSchool, ah.. I'm an englishman living in Scotland :)
[09:50] <ozzie> i did. but there is no add theme button
[09:51] <jnk> Just switch to Hoary and x.org, and the fonts look "thicker"... why?
[09:51] <thoreauputic> ozzie: hang on I'll get a link for you
[09:51] <tungsten> no vim /etc/shorewall will open a file called shorewall it won't let me see the contents of the shorewall directory?
[09:51] <ozzie> ok. i got it.
[09:51] <ozzie> i had to click the install button
[09:52] <jnk> (also, how to revert them to their previous "look")
[09:52] <ozzie> or not. it said it installed but did not
[09:52] <thoreauputic> ozzie: ah, OK :)
[09:52] <tungsten> is there a way to become root on ubuntu?
[09:52] <TonyK> Quest-Master:  I changed the entry in the fstab to what was recommended but it will not let me look at the subdirectories on that partition
[09:53] <thoreauputic> ozzie: did you restart the browser?
[09:53] <MobyTurbo> tungsten, sudo -s
[09:53] <TonyK> I used the mount -a command to read the /etc/fstab
[09:53] <ozzie> yes. how do i update firefox
[09:53] <Quest-Master> Did you reboot, TonyK?
[09:53] <TonyK> No I did not reboot
[09:53] <Quest-Master> ozzie: Upgrade to Hoary or build from source
[09:53] <tungsten> thanks
[09:53] <Quest-Master> I prefer the latter, ozzie
[09:53] <Quest-Master> TonyK, reboot.
[09:53] <TonyK> OK.
[09:53] <Quest-Master> It should work then.
[09:54] <ozzie> i got that now also
[09:54] <TonyK> I will have to exit now.
[09:54] <AndyR> BBIAB
[09:54] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: no need to build - just use a binary from mozilla.org
[09:54] <MobyTurbo> ozzie, if you'll wait a minute I'll give you a url for a third-party warty repository with the latest firefox
[09:54] <ozzie> ok
[09:54] <Quest-Master> Oh really
[09:55] <fargonSchool> jnk, look in ~/fonts.conf and change the part that says auto-hinting should be used
[09:55] <MobyTurbo> ozzie, check out http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~ut8g/ and follow the (short) instructions.
[09:55] <fargonSchool> jnk, use http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4456 as a reference
[09:55] <FunnyLookinHat> If when ubuntu booted for the first time and I had the incorrect network settings so it couldn't download updates, what should I run to get them?  apt-get update isn't work.
[09:56] <fargonSchool> FunnyLookinHat, what network is it?
[09:56] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, uncomment the repository lines it left commented.
[09:56] <fargonSchool> I mean are you wireless?
[09:56] <fargonSchool> nevermind :)
[09:56] <fargonSchool> brb
[09:57] <FunnyLookinHat> Huh?   no no no, what terminal command do I run to get it to search for the updates that it would have downloaded when ubuntu started up for the first time?
[09:57] <FunnyLookinHat> sudo update ?
[09:57] <MobyTurbo> FunnyLookinHat, sudo apt-setup
[09:57] <FunnyLookinHat> oooh, ok
[09:57] <thoreauputic> FunnyLookinHat: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:58] <FunnyLookinHat> thoreauputic, Thank you
[09:58] <MobyTurbo> thoreauputic, he doesn't have a working /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:58] <fargonSchool> FunnyLookinHat, may I suggest using synaptic (it is in the applications menu, somewhere)
[09:58] <fargonSchool> since things are laid out in graphical form, it might be better to begin with
[09:58] <piyr> computer->system configuration
[09:59] <FunnyLookinHat> fargonSchool, I wasn't sure what command to use to get the upgrade stuff from w/in synaptic
[09:59] <ozzie> MobyTurbo what does this version of firefox do ??
[09:59] <thoreauputic> MobyTurbo: is that possible? Ther's a default one in the install
[09:59] <fargonSchool> FunnyLookinHat, there are a few buttons and menus, look around and you will find everything...
[09:59] <jnk> fargonSchool: thank you! I guess I just have to put "false" instead of "true" ?
[09:59] <MobyTurbo> thoreauputic, if networking doesn't work it gives you one with all repositories commented out. At least that was my experience
[09:59] <fargonSchool> jnk, yep, that's right
[09:59] <piyr> anyone know simple way to convert between windows / unix line termination?
[09:59] <thoreauputic> MobyTurbo: aah, I see !
[10:00] <spity> piyr: dos2unix
[10:00] <TonyK> Quest-Master: Thanks,  Everything is working the way I want it now.
[10:00] <MobyTurbo> ozzie, it's version 1.0. Includes rss bookmarks and a few other bells and whistles.
[10:00] <fargonSchool> piyr, use a good editor and it should take care of it...
[10:00] <piyr> thanks
[10:00] <Quest-Master> No problem TonyK. ;)
[10:00] <siretart> piyr: use the package "recode" and the macros dos2unix and unix2dos
[10:00] <ozzie> cool
[10:00] <jnk> best thing with the new firefox: no more search dialog!
[10:01] <siretart> ah, too late.
[10:01] <fargonSchool> siretart, shouldn't the gnome text editor have an option that lets one choose the line ending style though, and thus convert?
[10:01] <MobyTurbo> ozzie, because some people have problems upgrading earlier firefoxes with firefox 1.0 I'd reccomend apt-get remove --purge'ing the old mozilla-firefox before you install the new one from that repository.
[10:02] <jnk> fargonSchool: thanks it worked!
[10:02] <ozzie> ? ok
[10:02] <fargonSchool> jnk, my pleasure
[10:02] <siretart> fargonSchool: I don't think that such a small and handy texteditor should be blown up with evry tiny feature. Instead, use a real editor for real work
[10:03] <siretart> MobyTurbo: I often use vim for editing config files, yes. for programming I prefer XEmacs or eclipse
[10:04] <LiquidSnake> hey
[10:04] <TonyK> Quest-Master:  Would I still be able to access the partition using the options you gave me it the mounted dir was in the /mnt subdirectory instead of in my home directory?
[10:04] <MobyTurbo> siretart, I've been meaning to try the latest eclipse. I tried a version a long time ago and all it did was confuse me. ;-)
[10:04] <LiquidSnake> so
[10:04] <fargonSchool> siretart, my bad, I thought I ha seen that function in gedit...
[10:05] <LiquidSnake> finally configured as best as possible this buntu
[10:05] <LiquidSnake> finally configured as best as possible this ubuntu
[10:05] <LiquidSnake> all works
[10:05] <MobyTurbo> brb
[10:06] <Quest-Master> TonyK: It's possible.
[10:06] <Quest-Master> It didn't work on mine though.
[10:06] <Quest-Master> That's why I have it mounted under my username.. much easier access.
[10:07] <TonyK> Quest-Maste:  As long as it works, that's fine.  I just don
[10:07] <Quest-Master> Yup, same here.
[10:07] <TonyK> I just don't understand the reason why these things are the way they are.
[10:07] <Quest-Master> Hehe.
[10:08] <siretart> MobyTurbo: yes, eclipse make some strange and strong assumptions how you handle your projects. yet If you know them, you get a quite usefull full blown IDE, esp. for java.
[10:08] <siretart> MobyTurbo: yet, I'd wish the editor of eclipse could be replaced..
[10:08] <thoreauputic> TonyK: if your /etc/fstab specifies /mnt/whatever it should work provided all permissions etc are correct and the syntax is right
[10:09] <TonyK> OK
[10:09] <thoreauputic> of course the dir has to exist as well *grin*
[10:09] <TonyK> Of course
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[10:10] <TonyK> It is hard to tell a joke but I thought that it was.
[10:10] <visor> anyone made a pctel winmodem work on 2.6?
[10:10] <Quest-Master> thoreauputic: I couldn't mkdir in mnt because it said I didn't have permissions
[10:10] <Quest-Master> Even though it was CHMODed 777
[10:11] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: hmmm...odd Some strange ubuntu quirk?
[10:11] <Quest-Master> Yeah.
[10:12] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: even sudo chmod <dir> && sudo  chown user <dir> didn't work?
[10:12] <TonyK> Quest-Master:  I was able to make a dir in /mnt but I couldn't get the other user account to access the subdirectories in the partiton.
[10:12] <Quest-Master> Nope.
[10:13] <Quest-Master> Tried about everything.
[10:13] <thoreauputic> weird indeed
[10:13] <TonyK> The user account could see all of the root directories in the partition but could not access them.
[10:14] <Nivlem> Doesn't Ubuntu use /skel for default setup of /home and such?
[10:15] <thoreauputic> hmm - I'm on Debian and all my /mnt subdirs are 755 - all accessible
[10:16] <Nivlem> thoreauputic: I came into the conversation late...could it be related to the fact there isn't a entry in /etc/fstab with the "user" option specified on their machine?
[10:17] <thoreauputic> Nivlem: I think that was covered in the earlier conversation, actually
[10:18] <Nivlem> Ok...
[10:19] <thoreauputic> Nivlem: I've noticed in this channel a lot of users having problems with mounting - especially windows partitions (but I believe the windows issue is a bug being addressed for Hoary)
[10:21] <TonyK> I thought the "bug" was just me.
[10:21] <thoreauputic> TonyK: yeah, that too,  heheh
[10:23] <Nivlem> thoreauputic: Ok...I do have something of similar report on UbuntuPPC...I will explain in a sec...need to do something...
[10:25] <eyal> How do i change permission on mounted drive to be able to write to ?? in the properties it didn't let me !
[10:25] <fargonSchool> umask=000
[10:25] <HWolf> Oh, lively. :-)
[10:28] <HWolf> Is there anyone around who knows how to troubleshoot ALSA?
[10:29] <Nivlem> eyal: Best thing to do is add an entry to /etc/fstab
[10:32] <Nivlem> thoreauputic: Anyway I have a external firewire drive that was initialized(formatted) as HFS+ Journaled...I was unable to find out for sure if it is supposed to have support for this filesystem or not...correct entries in fstab..still only mounted read-only..and just the first folder under /media would be accessible...even after chmod...what I ended up doing was backing up the data and then re-initializing it just using HFS Extended(which is H
[10:32] <Nivlem> FS+) and now it works great.
[10:32] <Pugio> hello hello hello
[10:32] <Pugio> anybody here know about netboot installs?
[10:32] <Nivlem> HWolf: What kind of problem you have?
[10:33] <Pugio> I need to do a netboot install from one linux machine to another - without using the internet (ie. only a local network)
[10:33] <Pugio> but I'm not quite sure how
[10:33] <confrey> hi everybody
[10:33] <thenuke> Can I run ubuntu-installer again to install GRUB back?
[10:34] <farruinn> maybe dpkg-reconfigure grub
[10:34] <thenuke> Im going to install winXP and it will destroy the grub of course
[10:34] <farruinn> or apt-get isntall --reinstall grub
[10:34] <farruinn> oh
[10:34] <thenuke> well can I use the installer CD to get back in to ubuntu to do that then :)
[10:34] <Nivlem> Pugio: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[10:35] <Pugio> Nivlem - Yes I've read that
[10:35] <Pugio> My problem is that it seems to use the internet
[10:35] <Pugio> and I need to do it all locally
[10:35] <HWolf> nivlem, I have no sound at all.
[10:35] <Pugio> Basically, I need to substitute the net archive for a local one on the CD (I think that's what it is)
[10:35] <confrey> I have a harddisk Quantum lct10, it's an ATA-66, so my bios says; but in linux I can't use it as ata-66m but only as ata-33 (udma2); what do I have to do?
[10:36] <thenuke> farruinn: well, any further advices :I ?
[10:37] <Nivlem> Hwolf: Did you check your volume levels using the mixer?
[10:37] <Pugio> random question: If I want to start a new webserver is there any reason why I should use apache 1.3.x as opposed to 2.x
[10:38] <Nivlem> Hwolf: Applications-------> Multimedia-----------> Volume Control...
[10:38] <confrey> I have a harddisk Quantum lct10, it's an ATA-66, so my bios says; but in linux I can't use it as ata-66m but only as ata-33 (udma2); what do I have to do?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> confrey: have you tried setting it with the hdparm utility?
[10:40] <HWolf> nivlem, check my thread on the hoary forum. :-)
[10:40] <HWolf> It's not the sound, the settings are messed up :-S
[10:40] <Nivlem> I gotta say I love HoaryPPC! Been rock solid so far...
[10:40] <HWolf> So far, for me aswell. Ubuntu is very stable. :-)
[10:41] <HWolf> I'm annoyed tho, every time i update the kernel, it replaces my grub menu with one that doesn't include my windows.
[10:43] <HWolf> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7134
[10:45] <tungsten> when I did the install 3 nics were detected but now that I'm using the network tool only my one nic shows up I need to define the other two nicks?
[10:45] <marble2> Hey, anyone around?
[10:46] <marble2> I just received my CDs, booted to the live CD, and it's sending me into an endless cycle of reboots :(
[10:46] <HWolf> marble2, post on the forums, so they can figure out what that bug is and how to squash it.
[10:46] <marble2> so it's not a common problem?
[10:47] <confrey> thoreauputic, I don't know how to set it with hdparm; I currently use hdparm to tuen hdisk in regard of I/O and multicount, how to change udma mode?
[10:47] <thoreauputic> marble2: what do you mean by "an endless cycle.." ? Is it just rebooting when you try to shutdown, or what?
[10:47] <marble2> well no
[10:47] <marble2> it finishes loading the screen, then reboots
[10:47] <marble2> then loads again, reboot
[10:48] <marble2> i had to hard shutdown to boot to windows
[10:48] <HWolf> I shouldn't think it's a common problem, damn. :-P
[10:48] <HWolf> If someone had known about it, it'd have been squashed before the cd's where pressed. That's a realease-critical issue, or it should be. :-)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> confrey: I don't recall offhand, but I know it's possible with one of the switches: it's in the manual anyway (sorry that isn't meant to be a RTFM :) )
[10:49] <Triple|5> When is the version coming out?
[10:49] <thoreauputic> confrey: maybe open man hdparm and do a search - /dma ?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> confrey: sorry  /udma
[10:50] <pecisk> hello everyone, I would like to know how to get Ubuntu installed and booted from SATA hard disk?
[10:50] <confrey> thoreauputic, I saw in google there are many warnings about using hdparm's switches; I read about some dangerous uses of X switch
[10:51] <verden01> Good morning
[10:51] <marble2> mmk, just posted on the forums
[10:51] <confrey> thoreauputic, and about a man browser for X? in kde it's simple : #manpage in konqueror; why not in gnome?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> confrey: hmm... yes there is some risk I believe: it hasn't broken anything here though - and if you know your hard drive's capabilities you should be OK
[10:53] <verden01> i have Ubuntu installed but it did not let me set up dual booting with WinXP so is there anyway i can do this now
[10:53] <Triple|5> Ouch
[10:53] <Triple|5> Can Ubuntu be used on slow cpus ?
[10:53] <Nivlem> verden01: Yes you have to edit grub.conf and add the entry for windows
[10:54] <thoreauputic> confrey: hmmm - it's an issue: it used to call yelp but jdub or someone was saying it needs to be fixed in gnome
[10:54] <verden01> so what exactly do i enter in
[10:54] <thoreauputic> confrey: I mean the man function
[10:54] <farruinn> verden01, just uncomment the lines for windows
[10:54] <verden01> cool thanx
[10:54] <mjg59> Triple|5: How slow is slow?
[10:54] <farruinn> then do a grub-update
[10:54] <verden01> k
[10:54] <farruinn> or update-grub, whichever it is
[10:54] <mjg59> It'll work on pretty much any CPU, but you probably want something at least 300MHz
[10:54] <Triple|5> Celeron 633mhz/256sdram 20gb
[10:55] <Triple|5> mjg59,
[10:55] <mjg59> Oh yeah, no problem
[10:55] <Ribs> Is it possible to use 2.6.9 kernel on ubuntu?
[10:55] <verden01> lol i'll work it out
[10:55] <Ribs> or even a RC of 2.6.10
[10:55] <mjg59> Ribs: It's in Hoary, but there won't be a supported release for Warty
[10:55] <Ribs> It's where?!
[10:55] <mjg59> Ribs: The development version of Ubuntu
[10:55] <Ribs> Can I get synaptic to grab it?
[10:56] <mjg59> Ribs: Not easily
[10:56] <mjg59> What do you need 2.6.9 for?
[10:56] <Ribs> hrm
[10:56] <Ribs> Well, I *might* solve my sound problem
[10:56] <Nivlem> Ribs: You need to change all your repository entries to Hoary..then upgrade from Warty to Hoary...they you can grab it
[10:56] <Triple|5> mjg59, thanks but in my past experience it works so slow =\ Beatrix (ubuntu's alternative is so fast because its optimized for slow cpus) but why Ubuntu's gnome is so slow? can I use like xfce4.2 or fluxbox or something , I've used other distros "Kanotix, Libranet, Debian, Yoper, Mepis, Beatrix" and they run fast
[10:56] <Ribs> Nivlem: Does that mean messing with the whole system?
[10:57] <Nivlem> Ribs: Be aware some folks have problems with Hoary, and yes that would be a correct statement
[10:57] <Ribs> 'cos I only want a new kernel... :/
[10:57] <farruinn> Ribs, it would "upgrade" you to the development branch
[10:57] <farruinn> you can rig it so that you stay in warty, but that's so complicated
[10:57] <farruinn> I woudln't know how
[10:57] <thoreauputic> confrey: in gnome 2.4 ( what I'm using here on debian) , entering man:hdparm in galeon opens the gnome help browser
[10:58] <Ribs> hrm
[10:58] <rapha> Hi all!
[10:59] <Nivlem> Hey rapha:
[10:59] <rapha> I just re-installed my Hoary system, changed from totem-gstreamer to totem-xine and tried to play something, but it stays just black. mplayer works fine though. Any idea?
[10:59] <fko> hi!
[10:59] <rapha> Yo fko.
[11:00] <confrey> thoreauputic, I don't know why I can open the normal browser in ubuntu : each dir is opened in a new window, and I can't see the tree structure on the left hand... why?
[11:00] <farruinn> rapha, try just using gxine
[11:00] <farruinn> that worked for me in warty
[11:00] <Nivlem> Anyone tried the xine plugin that lets you listen to mms(windows media) streams?
[11:00] <rapha> Okay, I'll apt-get it, second.
[11:00] <fko> I'm with 2 newbie problems in ubuntu: 1) How do I share my connection to the net? 2) How do I enable another OS in grub?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> confrey: it's called "spatial" - you can chnge it in nautilus to "browser" mode
[11:01] <Nivlem> fko: This was just asked a couple minutes ago..edit grub.conf and uncomment the line(s) for windows
[11:01] <confrey> thoreauputic, so what do I have to do? do I have to run nautilus?
[11:02] <fko> niv: thank you! what about sharing the net?
[11:02] <thoreauputic> thoreauputic: but don't address all your questions to me - I'm currently not running ubuntu here so I can't check things for you
[11:02] <thoreauputic> oops
[11:02] <thoreauputic> confrey: ^^^
[11:02] <Nivlem> fko: Sorry can't help you with that one...unless you have 2 nics..one internal, and the other pointed to the outside..(dual homed)
[11:02] <confrey> yes?
[11:03] <rapha> Wierd.
[11:03] <rapha> gxine works.
[11:03] <fko> I do!
[11:03] <thoreauputic> confrey: but don't address all your questions to me
[11:03] <thoreauputic>                       - I'm currently not running ubuntu here so I can't check
[11:03] <thoreauputic>                       things for you
[11:03] <fko> Nivlem: I do!
[11:03] <confrey> thoreauputic, OK! thanks
[11:03] <rapha> But the gxine UI is just dirty. I want Totem back!
[11:04] <confrey> to everybody : how to obtain file manaher working in a single window, with tree structure on the left hand?+
[11:04] <rapha> nautilus --browser
[11:04] <rapha> There should also be a menu item for it.
[11:05] <Quest-Master> I wish Nautilus had a feature where you could go into a directory, right click somewhere in there, and there would be a command "Open a Terminal Here"
[11:05] <anon> anyone here know anything about acpi?
[11:06] <Nivlem> fko: I have to go somewhere shortly...however a search on google will get you what you need to know..
[11:06] <eyal> hi , How can i move subtitles in vlc player or is there any other cool avi player with subtitles viewer
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Like Konqueror
[11:06] <eyal> ?
[11:06] <restrex> uhhh
[11:06] <Quest-Master> It's so much more useful than having to cd into every directory
[11:06] <confrey> rapha, I'd like to use it as default, but I don't find anything about in preferences
[11:06] <restrex> konqueror rocks :D
[11:06] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[11:07] <Nivlem> fko: All you really do is have the packets forwarded(usually with iptables) from the internal nic to the external nic...
[11:07] <Quest-Master> I wish Nautilus was as feature-filled
[11:07] <JStrike> Konquerer. Ugh
[11:07] <rapha> confrey: You'll have to use the "gconf-editor" tool. Look under "apps/nautilus".
[11:07] <SepheeBear> there is a 'terminal-here" nautilus script that does that. i use it all the time
[11:07] <Quest-Master> :o
[11:07] <rapha> Quest-Master: Oh no!
[11:07] <Quest-Master> How'd you do it SepheeBear?
[11:07] <marble2> I just received my CDs, booted to the live CD, and it's sending me into an endless cycle of reboots :(
[11:07] <marble2> I can
[11:07] <marble2> *can't find a fix for it
[11:07] <anon> has anyone seen Keybuk
[11:08] <marble2> I'll probably just go do a normal install
[11:08] <_|Imanewbie|_> Hail all, doesnt ubuntu has a deb for eclipse?
[11:08] <rapha> confrey: But have you seriously given the spatial mode a try? Many people think "Windows 95" and disable it.
[11:08] <rapha> I have to restart X ...
[11:08] <Quest-Master> SepheeBear..
[11:08] <farruinn> _|Imanewbie|_: all I found was eclipse-nls-sdk
[11:09] <farruinn> if you do a search in synaptic or apt-cache search at the command line that will tell you if a package is available
[11:09] <SepheeBear> i got the script from gnomefiles.org
[11:10] <_|Imanewbie|_> farruinn: Ive done it, thou I havent find it
[11:10] <SepheeBear> its called XTerm-Here: http://gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=116
[11:10] <gumpish> How do I set the MTU?
[11:10] <farruinn> _|Imanewbie|_: then that means ubuntu doesn't have a package for it
[11:11] <phraZe> hope i aint gettin a bill of the 5 cds i ordered from ubuntu :P
[11:11] <phraZe> for free
[11:12] <_|Imanewbie|_> farruinn: oki thx
[11:12] <duzenbury> Hi all!  Anyone here familiar with getting ubuntu up on software raid 1?
[11:13] <phraZe> how old is this whole ubuntu project?
[11:13] <confrey> I have to encode mp3 (I can't use ogg, because I have a portable player for mp3 only), what's a mp3 encoder for ubuntu?
[11:14] <Ribs> okay, how long will Hoary be in testing?
[11:14] <Ribs> When will be become stable?
[11:14] <farruinn> phraZe: that's not an easy questiont to answer since Ubuntu is based in Debian which has quite the history =)
[11:14] <Ribs> I'm almost certain it's ubuntu using old alsa which is the problem
[11:14] <farruinn> Ribs, February I believe
[11:14] <Quest-Master> How do you add a script for Nautilus?
[11:14] <Ribs> hrm, two months
[11:14] <Ribs> and it's ... 'more or less' stable?
[11:14] <phraZe> oh lol
[11:14] <restrex> ubuntues: we're cool :D
[11:15] <Ribs> It 'works for most people' ?
[11:15] <eyal> Any1 know a good AVI + Subtitles player ?
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: I guess you could put something in the scripts directory that would add that - but I forget the exact procedure
[11:15] <Quest-Master> Hm
[11:16] <bpd1069> mmm Ribs, you just made me hungry
[11:16] <Quest-Master> GAH
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: sorry - my irc was hugely lagged
[11:16] <Quest-Master> Whenever I want to install something in apt-get now
[11:16] <Quest-Master> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[11:16] <Quest-Master> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:16] <Quest-Master>   mplayer-586: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.96-sarge1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:16] <phraZe> windoze to linux is like ford to chevrole'
[11:16] <Quest-Master> That's what I get
[11:16] <SepheeBear> Quest-Master: put it in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts
[11:16] <Quest-Master> Thanks
[11:17] <phraZe> ford is easy to handle, but u cant change anything, n it crashes all the time
[11:17] <Quest-Master> Anyone know how to get rid of the other problem?
[11:17] <GotD0t> SepheeBear: do you have to do anything else after putting the script in that folder? because i cant get it working
[11:17] <phraZe> questmaster: is it boot problems?
[11:17] <fko> Nivlem: thanks, now I can load other OS... It is not in grub.conf (there is no such file) but "/boot/grub/menu.lst"
[11:17] <farruinn> fko, that's the one
 Whenever I want to install something in apt-get now
[11:17] <Ribs> bpd1069: :P
[11:17] <phraZe> oh
 You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   mplayer-586: Depends: liblame0 (>= 3.96-sarge1) but it is not going to be installed
[11:18] <phraZe> u got to install the package ureself
[11:18] <Quest-Master> I want to get rid of the mplayer-586
[11:18] <Quest-Master> apt-get remove doesn't work
[11:18] <Quest-Master> It just returns that same error
[11:18] <SepheeBear> GotD0t: make sure it's executable you can do that in the properties of the file
[11:18] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: are you sure its installed
[11:19] <phraZe> i think ure problem is, that u DONT have mplayer
[11:19] <phraZe> or whatever the depending package is
[11:19] <phraZe> liblame0
[11:19] <fko> I stilBut I don't see how can I share my net connection... I used to be a mandrake user. This PC has 2 NICs /dev/eth0 and /dev/eth1. In ubuntu I can't find them...
[11:19] <Quest-Master> Yeah
[11:19] <fko> Worst, I don't have a clue how to share the net connection
[11:19] <GotD0t> SepheeBear: i do. its -rwxr-xr-x
[11:19] <Quest-Master> It won't install that either
[11:20] <Quest-Master> It KEEPS ON GIVING ME THE SAME ERROR ;_;
[11:20] <Quest-Master> err, woops.
[11:20] <GotD0t> Quest-Master: why do you want to install it? 2 seconds ago you were saying you cant uninstall it
[11:20] <phraZe> u have to download it, and install it manually-.. and if theres another dependency problem u have to isntall that package etc
[11:20] <thoreauputic> Quest-Master: are you sure your repositories are correct?
[11:20] <thoreauputic> phraZe: not so
[11:20] <GotD0t> SepheeBear: oh i got it, thanks
[11:20] <SepheeBear> GotD0t: if it's in the right place and executable, i'd just try relaunching nautilus
[11:21] <phraZe> hmm
[11:21] <GotD0t> SepheeBear: now how do i make it so it uses the default settings for the term
[11:22] <SepheeBear> edit the script to open gnome-terminal
[11:23] <Quest-Master> I just want to get rid of that error.
[11:23] <Quest-Master> :
[11:23] <Quest-Master> *:P
[11:23] <gumpish> What's the command to check apt sources??
[11:23] <duzenbury> Is anyone here running ubuntu on software RAID?
[11:23] <Quest-Master> I don't even need the mplayer anymore..
[11:23] <phraZe> hmm , when i try to run the terminal as root, and enter the password, i get an error message saying: Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator as user root: Child terminated with 1 status
[11:24] <Quest-Master> sudo?
[11:24] <phraZe> no..
[11:24] <Ribs> Is it possible to just upgrade alsa?
[11:25] <phraZe> ill try
[11:25] <thoreauputic> phraZe: don't run it as root: if you must get a root shell, open the term and type sudo su or sudo bash
[11:25] <Hrdwr_BoB> sudo -s
[11:26] <Hrdwr_BoB> gives you a root shell
[11:26] <phraZe> ok thnx
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Hrdwr_BoB: yep that too :)
[11:26] <phraZe> oh this is just great..
[11:27] <phraZe> someone changed the root password..gotta be ma brother
[11:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> thoreauputic: sudo su is a silly thing to do btw :)
[11:27] <Hrdwr_BoB> phraZe: there should not BE a root password
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Hrdwr_BoB: oh dear - can you explain?
[11:27] <phraZe> sigh
[11:27] <Quest-Master> Can I remove the mplayer-586 package somehow then guys?
[11:28] <fargonSchool> My ubuntu tells me there is no such device as eth1, how do I "add" a device (wireless adapter in this case) ?
[11:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> phraZe: if you want to be root, run sudo -s in a terminal
[11:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> then enter YOUR password
[11:28] <phraZe> mhmm then it will just say phraze is not in the sudoers list
[11:28] <phraZe> file*
[11:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> ...
[11:28] <phraZe> this incident will be reported .. lol
[11:28] <Hrdwr_BoB> what did you do
[11:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> if you have installd ubuntu
[11:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> the user you created is in sudoers
[11:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> (created on install, that is)
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Hrdwr_BoB: I'm interested to hear what the problem is with sudo su ?
[11:29] <farruinn> phraze must not have been the first user he configured
[11:29] <Hrdwr_BoB> thoreauputic: oh, well it's redundant, there's no need for it, sudo -s is a much better thing to do
[11:30] <phraZe> farruinn is right
[11:30] <Hrdwr_BoB> well, that's the problem
[11:30] <fko> pleeese??? anyone??? how do i share my net connection? the PC has two nic, one is "external", the other used to be (in mandrake) /dev/eth0 but now I can't see it although is listed in "Device Manager"
[11:30] <Hrdwr_BoB> you need to login as that user
[11:30] <thoreauputic> Hrdwr_BoB: OK it's redundant, but there are no issues with it ?
[11:30] <HWolf> how can I force-start my esd?
[11:30] <thoreauputic> apart from it being "silly" *grin*
[11:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> thoreauputic: you might have some issues with terminal ownership and settings if you use screen or whatever, I would not recommend it
[11:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> HWolf: run 'esd' :)
[11:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> fko: ifconfig -a shows it?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Hrdwr_BoB: OK - I was just interested to know, thanks :)
[11:31] <Hrdwr_BoB> that's cool
[11:32] <fko> Hrdwr_BoB: yes...
[11:32] <HWolf> hrdwr_bob hidde@system:~ $ esd
[11:32] <HWolf> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1155:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: No such file or directory
[11:32] <confrey> ok, I have nautilus in spatial mode now, but the column on the left hand is too big, because the showed folder icon is too large; how can  I reduce it?
[11:33] <phraZe> anyone here from sweden?
[11:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> confrey: you should be able to grab the window pane and move i
[11:33] <Hrdwr_BoB> it
[11:36] <confrey> Ok, it's right, but the folder icon, so large, is not very nice; is it possible to reduce its width?
[11:36] <HWolf> hrdwr_bob, how can I force esd to come up using my soundcard?
[11:39] <Quest-Master> Darnit
[11:39] <Quest-Master> I'm trying to install liblame0
[11:39] <Quest-Master> Unpacking liblame0 (from .../liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb) ...
[11:39] <Quest-Master> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:39] <Quest-Master>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmp3lame0
[11:39] <Quest-Master> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:39] <Quest-Master> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:39] <Quest-Master>  /var/cache/apt/archives/liblame0_3.96.1-1_i386.deb
[11:39] <Quest-Master> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[11:39] <Hrdwr_BoB> HWolf: it looks like your soundcard is not detected
[11:40] <confrey> Quest-Master, where is liblame and linmp3lame?
[11:42] <confrey> why have I to stop esd for working with audacity?
[11:42] <Hrdwr_BoB> confrey: because esd is using your sound device
[11:43] <confrey> Hrdwr_BoB, is there a way to use audacity AND esd?
[11:43] <Hrdwr_BoB> get a soundblaster live
[11:43] <Matt|> hiya all, I have noticed a strange thing about my sound on ubuntu. When I fire up rhythmbox after booting, the sound production is really quite distorted, and this disappears if I go into the gnome-mixer and select the OSS device, and then move back to the ALSA device. Can I solve this?
[11:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> they have driver supprot for multiple open of /dev/dsp
[11:44] <HWolf> hrdwr_bob, it is detected, but it's trying to use the audio input on my tv-tuner, I think.
[11:44] <gilligan_> hi
[11:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> Matt|: that's very strange
[11:44] <Hrdwr_BoB> HWolf: ooh
[11:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> HWolf: esd -d /dev/dsp2
[11:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> I think
[11:45] <gilligan_> anyone recently upgraded to hoary? just did so.. and now gnome wont start up...  "mdktemp : private socket dir : Permission denied" ..
[11:45] <confrey> Hrdwr_BoB, I have a SB64PCI, es1371, is ti possible to solve the problem using jack?
[11:45] <Matt|> Hrdwr_BoB, yeah huh. I think perhaps the problem is related to having two devices recognised? in the past with other distros I've always just had alsa recognised.
[11:45] <Hrdwr_BoB> confrey: jack?
[11:45] <confrey> ehmm.... jackd
[11:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> confrey: oh, quite possibly, I've never used it
[11:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> although
[11:46] <Hrdwr_BoB> esd does the same thing - that's the point
[11:47] <mhess> what makes Gnome so damn fast in Ubuntu?!?
[11:47] <mhess> is there a patch or something?
[11:47] <Matt|> mhess, *grins* maybe
[11:47] <mhess> heh
[11:47] <Matt|> prelinking I guess
[11:47] <fargonSchool> can someone help me add eth1 as a device, so it shows up in /proc/net/wireless It usually comes up when I boot, did not today
[11:47] <mhess> i've been using Slackware forever and it's never this fast
[11:48] <Matt|> mhess, guess you gotta switch huh :)
[11:48] <mhess> no i'm still committed to slack, but i might see Ubuntu on the side
[11:48] <mhess> if you can keep a secret
[11:48] <Matt|> mhess, sinner
[11:48] <mhess> shhh
[11:48] <Matt|> *cough8
[11:48] <Matt|> *
[11:49] <Matt|> mhess, do you prelink your slack system?
[11:49] <mhess> i don't think so
[11:49] <mhess> how can i set that up
[11:49] <mhess> ?
[11:49] <Matt|> mhess, install "prelink" and run "prelink -amfR"
[11:49] <Matt|> but dunno if it will help
[11:49] <meff> waste of memory
[11:49] <HWolf> hrdwr_bob, same errors :-S
[11:49] <Matt|> meff, huh?
[11:50] <mhess> hmm you really think that's making the differencE?
[11:50] <Matt|> mhess, probably not all the difference
[11:50] <Matt|> mhess, its the ubuntu magic ingredient
[11:50] <mhess> cause gnome is more than tolerable in slack, but it's friggin' blazing in ubuntu
[11:50] <Matt|> same version?
[11:50] <mhess> does the old Xserver have something to do with it?
[11:51] <Matt|> its pretty snappy on xorg too
[11:51] <mhess> hmm...geez
[11:51] <Matt|> anyone got any idea about my weird sound?
[11:51] <|QuaD|> why did the developers chose gnome over kde?
[11:51] <mhess> |quad| because KDE is for suckers
[11:51] <Matt|> |QuaD|, some of the developers work on gnome
[11:52] <|QuaD|> mhess: kde is much more polished
[11:52] <mhess> lets not start this
[11:52] <thoreauputic> |QuaD|: guess you'd have to ask the developers...
[11:52] <|QuaD|> heh :)
[11:52] <mhess> i'm sorry i brought it up
[11:52] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: lol
[11:52] <mhess> Ubuntu puts a large emphasis on simplicity of design, one tool for every job and one CD to rule them all
[11:52] <Matt|> *grins*
[11:52] <mhess> that's certainly not KDE's design decision
[11:53] <thoreauputic> I suggest we have an editor war instead
[11:53] <confrey> now  I have installed ardour, it's needing jackd; can I use jackd and esd at the same time?
[11:53] <thoreauputic> ed! man ed! ed is the standard editor!
[11:53] <mhess> thoreauputic, the editor war is over, and MS-EDIT is the champion
[11:53] <Matt|> thoreauputic, *laughs*
[11:53] <Matt|> mhess, wordpad surely ;p
[11:54] <mhess> no way
[11:54] <Matt|> jk
[11:54] <mhess> word pad is for noobs
[11:54] <mhess> EDIT = l33t
[11:54] <thoreauputic> mhess: heheh... now *that's* flame bait !
[11:54] <mhess> :-)
[11:54] <Matt|> yep
[11:54] <Matt|> guys any idea about this weird sound?
[11:54] <mhess> that reminds me, so Dev-cpp is out for linux now?!?
[11:54] <Matt|> hiya all, I have noticed a strange thing about my sound on ubuntu. When I fire up rhythmbox after booting, the sound production is really quite distorted, and this disappears if I go into the gnome-mixer and select the OSS device, and then move back to the ALSA device. Can I solve this?
[11:54] <|QuaD|> i am a big fan of MS Notepad... anyone thing microsoft is working on a linux ort?
[11:54] <|QuaD|> *port
[11:55] <mhess> i use notepad for all webdesign
[11:55] <mhess> but i'm thinking of switching
[11:55] <mhess> to gEdit
[11:55] <Matt|> what the hell is the difference
[11:55] <Matt|> just use emacs or nano or something
[11:55] <|QuaD|> i use it when i develop on windows machines
[11:55] <HWolf> try crimson editor, it's great.
[11:55] <mhess> matt....
[11:55] <Quest-Master> Err
[11:55] <mhess> vim....
[11:55] <Quest-Master> Why are we talking about Windows editors in a Linux channel?
[11:56] <Matt|> Quest-Master, it came up
[11:56] <Matt|> there are no ubuntu questions atm
[11:56] <thoreauputic> |QuaD|: "I notice you are trying to edit a file. This is probably not a good idea. Are you *sure* you want to do that? yes/no"
[11:56] <Quest-Master> We should flame about Linux editors only
[11:56] <Quest-Master> ;)
[11:56] <Quest-Master> Yes
[11:56] <Quest-Master> I still have an unanswered question. :P
[11:56] <mhess> yeah Matt| how do you mention eMacs and Nano
[11:56] <mhess> and leave the beast out
[11:56] <mhess> ??!?
[11:57] <|QuaD|> thoreauputic: :) it is probably the most stable microsoft program, probably the only one that has never crashed on me
[11:57] <mhess> sreem eh?!?
[11:57] <paulproteus> (Apple) eMacs != (GNU) emacs
[11:57] <Quest-Master> |QuaD|: It has crashed for me before
[11:57] <Quest-Master> screem is pretty cool.
[11:57] <paulproteus> Microsoft Visual Notepad is their best development tool.  It even comes with the OS.
[11:57] <Quest-Master> gEdit is pwnage though.
[11:57] <|QuaD|> heh
[11:57] <Matt|> meh
[11:58] <Matt|> its only a friggin editor
[11:58] <gilligan_> can anyone make something out of the following .xsession-error output ? :
[11:58] <gilligan_>  /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp
[11:58] <gilligan_>  /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "gilligan"
[11:58] <gilligan_>  /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
[11:58] <gilligan_>  mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied
[11:58] <Quest-Master> I'd hate for a newbie to walk in and see us talking about Microsoft
[11:58] <gilligan_> any help would be greatly apreciated..;)
[11:58] <Matt|> gilligan_, sounds bad
[11:58] <mhess> what are some good add-on repositories that won't destroy my distro?
[11:59] <Matt|> gilligan_, what is the output of "mount"
[11:59] <Matt|> mhess, for ubuntu?
[11:59] <mhess> yea
[11:59] <Matt|> mhess, universe, multiverse
[11:59] <SuSE_UsER> hello
[11:59] <Quest-Master> Ok
[11:59] <Quest-Master> My apt-get is dead
[11:59] <Matt|> hi SuSE_UsER
[11:59] <Quest-Master> SuSE-UsER.. you'll soon be an UbUnTu-UsEr
[11:59] <|QuaD|> SuSE_UsER: are you in the right room?
[12:00] <Quest-Master> </lame joke>
[12:00] <SuSE_UsER> im downloading ubuntu right now,is it quite easy to use?